| SpeedEvil | never done SIP | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | you've tried turning wifi powersave off? | 00:00 |
| asj_ | I've had nothing but success with sip over wifi or 3g | 00:00 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i am using tomato firmware on linksys wrt54gl. yes i have tried disabling power saving | 00:00 |
| trumee | guys, do me a favour | 00:00 |
| range | ~. | 00:00 |
| infobot | . | 00:00 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 00:00 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 00:00 |
| range | Man, not my day ... | 00:01 |
| trumee | asj_: what router do you use? | 00:01 |
| asj_ | if the AP doesn't implement power-savings poll correctly it'll destroy the data stream | 00:01 |
| asj_ | some random belkin thing | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I use a shitty dynamode ADSL+wifi router | 00:01 |
| trumee | i am happy to change my router. i have tried dd-wrt and tomato on linksys wrt54gl. you cant go better than this | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | WEll - ... | 00:02 |
| kerio | who are you talking to? | 00:02 |
| kerio | maybe it's a problem on their end | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The powersaving implementation on the router is typically not in the opensourced but | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | it's in the wifi firmware | 00:02 |
| trumee | you mean i should stick with stock linksys firmware? | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean that the tomato or whatever firmware is quite irrelevant | 00:03 |
| trumee | ah, i see what you mean. | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | as the important bit WRT wifi-powersave is not typically in the kernel at all - but in the wifi driver | 00:04 |
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| asj_ | SpeedEvil: that's potentially a lot of data for the radio to hold...would make sense to have OS help, but I know the drivers I worked on 8 years ago sure didn't do anything OS side. | 00:04 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil, asj_: i have setup pjsip in auto-pickup mode. could either of you call a sip number to test how it works for you? | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | it typically doesn't buffer significant amounts. | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't have sip setup ATM | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | and my internet is iffy | 00:06 |
| trumee | it is actually a ebook | 00:06 |
| tuliobaars | hey, could somebody just say how to compile a script to an .deb package? | 00:06 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: no problem | 00:06 |
| asj_ | and mine sip provider only goes outbound, I can't do blah@domain | 00:07 |
| trumee | i was hoping to make tcpdump of the call. But when i use tcpdump or wireshark the network on N900 craps out | 00:07 |
| trumee | asj_: no worries | 00:07 |
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| asj_ | trumee: that's odd, I've used it for exactly that an dI thought it worked | 00:08 |
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| asj_ | though...it may have been before pr1.2 | 00:08 |
| asj_ | ooh, trumee you have pr1.2 right | 00:08 |
| lbt | tuliobaars: you need a simple tutorial on deb packaging | 00:08 |
| trumee | asj_: this is with power saving disabled. if i turn power saving 'on' tcpdump works fine | 00:08 |
| asj_ | aah | 00:09 |
| tuliobaars | yeah, i guess | 00:09 |
| asj_ | trumee: oh, are you using a bt headset | 00:09 |
| trumee | could this be a problem of the router rather than N900 | 00:09 |
| * lbt wonders if the ease of use of debhelper7 wins over the "how do I install it for maemo" | 00:09 | |
| trumee | asj_: no bt is off | 00:09 |
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| asj_ | trumee: do you have 3g? try a sip call over that | 00:09 |
| trumee | asj_: 3g call works fine. no problem there | 00:10 |
| asj_ | do a 3g sip call | 00:10 |
| trumee | asj_: sorry i meant 3g sip call works fine | 00:10 |
| trumee | asj_: it is only wifi sip calls which dont work well | 00:10 |
| asj_ | trumee: ah ok, and how many close neighbors do you have? the 50 aps you see when you scan might not help ;) | 00:11 |
| trumee | asj_: i am setting next to the router. | 00:11 |
| trumee | asj_: i have a hunch though. | 00:11 |
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| kerio | trumee: start aircrack | 00:12 |
| kerio | disable every other wifi router in the area | 00:12 |
| asj_ | trumee: doesn't matter, if it's really congested (or if the microwave is going all the time) it'll squash everything | 00:12 |
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| trumee | asj_: ok i just did a scan. i am the only one on 2.472Ghz frequency. | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Tjat onlu picks up wifi | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | what does dispersion on ping yourrouter look like? | 00:13 |
| trumee | The sip device is quite far away. could that be a problem? | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 00:14 |
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| trumee | Because there is no problem with N95 or linksys SPA3102 i have. But N900 produces lot of jitter and then audio stops | 00:14 |
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| asj_ | trumee: I have the opposite problem, n97 has trouble, n900 is fine :| | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | trumee: linksys and n900 are no go | 00:15 |
| trumee | jacekowski: what do you mean? | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 00:15 |
| jacekowski | linksys wifi | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | my linksys works fine | 00:16 |
| trumee | jacekowski: is there any other router which i should use for sip calls? | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | mine doesn't | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | trumee: make gsm calls | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 00:16 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i dont have any problem with internet. it is only that sip calls dont work | 00:17 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: ping to router is min/avg/max= 2.258/3.357/21.363 ms | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | that doesn't ook too terrible | 00:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ah shit | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | well 20ms jitter | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | just to 1st hop | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | battery went from 1/4 to 0 | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | that' bad | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | that's | 00:18 |
| trumee | jacekowski: do you have problems with sip calls as well? | 00:18 |
| trumee | jacekowski: on linksys router i mean? | 00:19 |
| asj_ | jacekowski: with powersaving on that's not bad | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | That sounds unlikely with powersave | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | well, i don't do sip | 00:19 |
| trumee | asj_: powersaving is off | 00:19 |
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| jacekowski | but i had packet loss | 00:19 |
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| jacekowski | and that sort of shit | 00:19 |
| ljrn900 | no nstx port? | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | WRT330N here, stock firmware, SIP works fine | 00:19 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: sip on wifi? | 00:20 |
| asj_ | trumee: ah, huh. I would turn it back on, it'll kill the bat in ~2 hours otherwise | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | mostly skype | 00:20 |
| asj_ | (so it's useless either way) | 00:20 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: do you have sip connection on atm. would you mind calling a sip number, it will play back an ebook to you :) | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: code-reset in repo | 00:21 |
| trumee | asj_: sip implementation between N95 and N900 is very different. N95 works very well with sip calls on the linksys router | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, right now no | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | I'm offline on all networks | 00:22 |
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| trumee | i need to be sure if this is a router problem. i will happily change the router. But dont want to buy another router which doesnt work | 00:24 |
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| asj_ | trumee: can you borrow one from someone? or you can do usb networking? | 00:25 |
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| trumee | asj_: usb networking. that is a nice thought. i could try sip calls on usb networking? | 00:26 |
| asj_ | I can't see why it wouldn't work, might need a bit of futzing with the routing table...but easy | 00:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or PAN | 00:28 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: PAN is bluetooth? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgot what you were trying to do | 00:28 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: make sip calls on something else than wifi | 00:29 |
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| trumee | asj_: do i have to do anything on the host computer as well for usb networking? | 00:30 |
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| asj_ | trumee: yes, at very least it has to forward packets (you'll have to configure usb0, and /proc/sys/net/ipv4_forward) and probably have to turn on nat | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | or bridge | 00:32 |
| asj_ | assuming it's not doing wifi | 00:32 |
| trumee | thanks i am going to check this out then. | 00:32 |
| trumee | although i would still like to create logs for nokia devs with tcpdump. | 00:33 |
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| trumee | i will flash to dd-wrt on wrt54gl as a start. | 00:33 |
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| lbt | who here wants an OBS account? Ideally you'd know what osc is and can prove to me you're trustworthy. Then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | ~openness | 00:35 |
| infobot | it has been said that openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | ~thanks | 00:35 |
| infobot | pas de quoi, MohammadAG | 00:35 |
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| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Openness is a little known member of the family portrayed in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxjqMZd-BVE | 00:36 |
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| asj_ | SpeedEvil: disturbing | 00:37 |
| lbt | (nb the OBS will replace the autobuilder for maemo - it'd be nice to get some help making it work) | 00:38 |
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| jennyDS | hi | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | lbt: (on trust) http://xkcd.com/364/ (alas - I know nothing about OSC) | 00:43 |
| lbt | heh ... indeed | 00:43 |
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| lbt | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building now you do... | 00:44 |
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| sepultina | hello | 00:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | Uhm | 00:51 |
| sepultina | I have a problem whit apt-get dist-upgrade on my n900 | 00:51 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know how to use pypacker? I installed it but it's nowhere. And I'm totally clueless, it doesn't say anything in the wiki that makes any sense | 00:51 |
| sepultina | The Output is: python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed | 00:51 |
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| sepultina | Can someone give my a tip? | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | lbt, does the meego sdk sit alongside scratchbox or are there any issues | 00:55 |
| lbt | sits alongside | 00:55 |
| lbt | you can't arm in them simultaneously though | 00:56 |
| lbt | s/arm/run arm binaries/ | 00:56 |
| infobot | lbt meant: you can't run arm binaries in them simultaneously though | 00:56 |
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| lcuk | i dont need to run in the sdk, just have requirements to maintain scratchbox | 00:57 |
| lbt | not a problem... | 00:57 |
| lcuk | does the sdk contain its own little OBS? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | or does all this obs stuff occur on a big stage | 00:57 |
| * lcuk likes to learn new games quietly | 00:57 | |
| lbt | it downloads all the packages you need to compile | 00:58 |
| lbt | then it all happens locally | 00:58 |
| lbt | actually | 00:58 |
| lbt | when you send a job to the OBS | 00:58 |
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| lbt | it goes to a worker machine | 00:58 |
| lbt | which "downloads all the packages you need to compile" | 00:58 |
| lbt | and then runs the compile 'locally' on the worker machine | 00:59 |
| lbt | so they're the same | 00:59 |
| lcuk | so that would allow someone to instantly be trying to build a meego spec file for (for instance) mplayer | 00:59 |
| lbt | yes | 00:59 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:59 |
| lbt | yes | 00:59 |
| lbt | the meego sdk should be OBS IMHO | 01:00 |
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| lbt | s/IMHO/IMNSHO/ | 01:00 |
| infobot | lbt meant: the meego sdk should be OBS IMNSHO | 01:00 |
| lcuk | well we know building locally out of sight appeals to cathederal developers who might be initially put off by the notion of OBS | 01:01 |
| tybollt | OBS? | 01:01 |
| lcuk | its like maemo autobuilder, we dont have people developing apps directly and using autobuilder as compiler | 01:01 |
| lcuk | oh, wait - we have 1 | 01:01 |
| lcuk | some guy who doesnt have an sdk or linux | 01:01 |
| lcuk | and is building his app using autobuilder as main compiler | 01:01 |
| lcuk | taking punch card wheelbarrows to the extreme! | 01:02 |
| lbt | yeah... but the OBS is more like giving everyone a copy of the autobuilder script | 01:02 |
| lbt | scratchbox is like a distro | 01:02 |
| lbt | it has *everything* in it | 01:02 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:02 | |
| lbt | OBS only gets what you build-depend on | 01:03 |
| lcuk | the problem developers have is time from pressing "Go" button (visual basic history) to seeing app running in place | 01:03 |
| lbt | (which is a bugger if you build-depend on Qt .... to be fair) | 01:03 |
| lcuk | does it have caching? | 01:03 |
| lbt | yes | 01:03 |
| lcuk | thats not so bad then | 01:03 |
| lbt | yeah... a lot of this could/should be solved by appropriate cleaning | 01:04 |
| lcuk | not really, i know why a clean system is built each time | 01:04 |
| lcuk | tho i had some discussions a few weeks ago about that | 01:04 |
| lbt | yes. but for each compile/test cycle it's a bit much | 01:04 |
| lbt | I'm guilty of using gcc as a syntax checker ;) | 01:05 |
| lcuk | it would be nice to have a layered filesystem for that :) | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | like the CD rom systems that live cds use | 01:05 |
| lcuk | the core system is on the read only layer | 01:05 |
| lbt | there's a few approaches that will work | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | and only the modifications are written for your build | 01:05 |
| lcuk | point same bottom layer at a clean top layer to start a new build | 01:06 |
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| lbt | yeah - or snapshots... | 01:06 |
| lcuk | just thinking amount of data that has to be moved | 01:06 |
| lcuk | but its just beer time discussions :P | 01:07 |
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| lbt | nah - there are 2/3 different solutions to that in it already | 01:07 |
| lcuk | cool! | 01:08 |
| lcuk | how long does it take for a normal app to come through all built? | 01:08 |
| lbt | heh....http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building | 01:08 |
| lcuk | considering for all but the most stubborn user apps its <5mins | 01:08 |
| lbt | It's not blazing... | 01:09 |
| lbt | especially when it makes the first chroot | 01:10 |
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| lcuk | lbt, but what it will do is give .debs and .rpms out for all configured systems? | 01:13 |
| lbt | yes | 01:13 |
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| mc_teo` | hello * | 01:13 |
| lcuk | so if your app is to be usable on maemo5, meego handset and meego netbook it should all be good? | 01:13 |
| lbt | even if your local machine is debian... yo can make fedora rpms | 01:14 |
| lbt | yes | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: Where is sybian in this? | 01:14 |
| mc_teo` | anybody know much about QR codes> | 01:14 |
| mc_teo` | ? | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | symbian | 01:14 |
| lcuk | so the time lost at the start is gained back later by not having to dive into each and test | 01:14 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats a good point! | 01:14 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: it'll build symbian too... they just need to submit a patch | 01:14 |
| lcuk | a damn good point actually! | 01:15 |
| kerio | ubuntu on nexus one | 01:15 |
| kerio | they're beating us | 01:15 |
| kerio | damn | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | kerio, beating who? | 01:16 |
| kerio | a generic "us" | 01:16 |
| lcuk | well just wait until android gets ported to the ubuntu portable device. oh wait | 01:16 |
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| mc_teo` | anyone know about a barcode reader then? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | mbarcode | 01:19 |
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| kerio | lcuk: i'm waiting for maemo on the nexus one | 01:20 |
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| mc_teo` | lcuk: is it stable? | 01:21 |
| mc_teo` | its in extras-devel | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | mc_teo`, under development by lardman|gone | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: don't read the code of it - at the moment that code is a copyright violation | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'll publish whitepaper or something so somebody can make it legal | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | the code of what? | 01:30 |
| e-yes | what is phisical size of the touchscreen in n900? is it equal lcd size? | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | It's sligltly larger | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe 10? pixels on the right | 01:32 |
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| * e-yes has idea about "soft" buttons | 01:35 | |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: of program that resets n900 lock code | 01:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah - right. | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this cal? | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | e-yes: unfortunately - it's a tiny, tiny border. | 01:37 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It would completely rock if the area outside of the screen was a seperate button area - but not | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 01:37 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, that'd be nice to have touchpad areas there. | 01:56 |
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| jacekowski | ~flashing | 01:56 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:56 |
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| jaem | 'Afternoon | 01:56 |
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| jaem | I was just reading the IRC log at http://apt.rikers.org/%23maemo/20091021.html.gz (07:34.27), and someone said that "Maemo 5" supports OpenVG, but gave no information. | 02:00 |
| jaem | Is that the case? More specifically, does the N900 itself support it in hardware? | 02:00 |
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| user____ | hi | 02:09 |
| user____ | i have a trouble my can't fix | 02:09 |
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| jaem | user____, What's up? | 02:10 |
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| nadley | jaem: i don't now how to setup the gps to use it and to chek if it works well | 02:11 |
| nadley | *know | 02:11 |
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| jaem | There shouldn't be any particular setup needed for the GPS hardware/driver itself. Are you trying to set up a particular app to use it, or do you just want to test the time-to-fix and such? | 02:12 |
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| DrGrov | I do fucking hate the camera lens on the N900! | 02:13 |
| DrGrov | It drives me insane | 02:13 |
| jaem | DrGrov, the lens or the cover? | 02:13 |
| DrGrov | jaem: the cover that protects the lens. | 02:14 |
| DrGrov | i fucking hate that i need to check behind the phone to see that the cover is closed. | 02:14 |
| DrGrov | it definitely has some issues | 02:14 |
| jaem | I find it a bit annoying, but the way I carry it, I can tell when I put it in if it's flipped open by accident. | 02:14 |
| nadley | jaem: i try with maps to fix but after 5 minutes nothing so I try with gpsjinny but not working to | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lens-cover-reminder-sp/0.3/ | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | nadley: yopu've updated to 1.2? | 02:15 |
| jaem | As far as using it as a cover in and of itself, I like it - but I know what you mean. | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | see above DrGrov | 02:15 |
| nadley | SpeedEvil: yes | 02:15 |
| jaem | nadley, by "maps" do you mean Ovi Maps, or some other map application? | 02:15 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: but that does not do me any good since I have the phone much keylocked. | 02:15 |
| nadley | jaem: ovi maps | 02:15 |
| jaem | nadley, which country are you in? | 02:15 |
| nadley | jaem: france | 02:16 |
| DrGrov | i will fucking tear the cover off and chew on it ffs | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Sorry - why does keylock matter? | 02:16 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: it does matter since if I keep the phone keylocked it will not still show my desktop that I see the cover lens application showing if the cover is closed or open. | 02:17 |
| jaem | I've heard reports from a friend of mine on WIND Mobile in Canada that he seems to be having network issues preventing AGPS from working. He said it took over 5 minutes to lock when he tried it. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: on lock, it vibrates if it's open | 02:17 |
| jaem | Maybe something similar with your carrier? (This is just speculation) | 02:17 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I do have it installed but it is not helping me with this problem. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 02:17 |
| nadley | SpeedEvil: is there something between 1.2 and gps ? | 02:17 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: actually it does not. i have not felt it vibrating once i put keylock. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | nadley: 1.2 has a fix for some 1.1 issues with the GPS | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: by keylock - do you mean the 'lock' switch? | 02:18 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: yes, sorry for explaining poorly. I mean the "lock" switch on the right hand side. | 02:18 |
| DrGrov | Checking once more that it does stay closed... | 02:18 |
| nadley | ok maybe i'll try more outside tomorrow | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: works for me - go to settings -> lens cover reminder - and check you've got vibrate toggled | 02:19 |
| jaem | Is there some hack for limiting the chat alerts to "alert on first message only" or some such? It's annoying to have my phone sitting beside my laptop, vibrating like mad ever time I send or receive a message on Skype on my laptop. | 02:19 |
| jaem | For that matter, it can be annoying even on device - the blinky light would be sufficient for individual messages. | 02:19 |
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| jaem | I've been thinking of throwing that onto Brainstorm, but it sounds like something the sort of feature that Nokia would deem too specific to bother about. | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can change the alert patterns | 02:22 |
| technomike | jaem - hahaha! I have the exact same problem! | 02:22 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, Yes, I thought of that, but if I turn off vibe entirely, then I'll miss everything. | 02:23 |
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| jaem | Due to lectures and whatnot, it's usually on silent/vibe | 02:23 |
| jaem | How well does that "Extra profiles" app work? | 02:23 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: it is closed yes. | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/mceledpattern/ | 02:24 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: perhaps it is my lack of nicotine that makes me feel a bit angry and disappointed from time to time. | 02:24 |
| jaem | It wouldn't solve this problem specifically, but that combined with a few automation tweaks would alleviate some other bother around that. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno about profiles | 02:24 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: seems like I could get used to the lens cover reminder if there would be something else getting my attention except the vibrate since i usually keep my phone very much on vibrate only. | 02:24 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: perhaps a custom small tone or vibrating pattern tells that the lens cover indeed is closed? | 02:26 |
| jaem | I would think that would be doable | 02:26 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: why not make the custom vibrate / custom small tone ONLY if the lens cover is indeed closed? | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:27 |
| DrGrov | feels a bit stupid to have it the other way around since I much rather have a sound if everything is closed than having a sound that something is open... not sure about the rest of you guys & girls but that is how i feel. | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suggest poking the author/reading the sourcecode/... | 02:27 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: sorry for highlighting you there mostly ... | 02:28 |
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| jaem | DrGrov, out of curiousity, how do you carry your phone? | 02:29 |
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| DrGrov | jaem: i tend to keep it somewhere close to my testicles once it vibrates. that is why I do prefer vibrate profile only. | 02:29 |
| jaem | DrGrov, TMI | 02:29 |
| DrGrov | jaem: bullshit, you need that information. you asked about it. | 02:30 |
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| DrGrov | jaem: just kidding. | 02:31 |
| DrGrov | jaem: i keep it actually quite much in my jeans pockets which is not too handy. | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like i've got PoC of attack to wipe CAL on locked device | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | and only cal | 02:31 |
| DrGrov | i try to get myself a nice carrying bag for it but it seems a bit difficult. | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | so basicaly i can unlock locked phone without clearing it | 02:32 |
| jaem | DrGrov, Ah, yeah, I can see the issue, then. I hate jeans. | 02:32 |
| jaem | Cargo pants and a gadget holster are my typical attire - unless I need to dress up for something. | 02:32 |
| jaem | Heh | 02:32 |
| DrGrov | jaem: i hate other pants except jeans | 02:32 |
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| me1ne_ | hey guys! How come the n900 remembers my ICQ account after flashing!? I assumed flashing FW erases all settings. | 02:41 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:42 |
| brik | me1ne_: I guess it keeps them separate with photos etc, I kept my entire contact list, photos + other saved stuff when flashing | 02:42 |
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| GAN900 | New tires are amazing | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | me1ne_, it doesn't erase the eMMC | 02:46 |
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| me1ne_ | humm, but any configurations files etc. would surely be overwritten then? | 02:48 |
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| me1ne_ | meh, thx brik and GAN900, guess I will buy a sixaxis after all. | 02:50 |
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| raster | merp | 03:02 |
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| technomike | I am going to try OpenArena on my n900 tommorow hopefully | 03:07 |
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| tuliobaars | hey | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | someone can help me? | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | can someone compile my script? | 03:31 |
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| tuliobaars | its a light one! | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | fast and great! | 03:31 |
| tuliobaars | please! | 03:32 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | how to change time on n900 | 03:35 |
| tuliobaars | heyhey! | 03:35 |
| tuliobaars | Control panel, negga | 03:36 |
| tuliobaars | think before ask | 03:36 |
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| tuliobaars | Okok, i think all of you are sleeping | 03:40 |
| tuliobaars | sure, a good thing to do...when we have nothing to DO! | 03:40 |
| tuliobaars | GO SLEEP IN ANOTHERPLACE!!! THIS IS AN IRC CHANNEL, NOT A MOTEL! | 03:40 |
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| jaem | tuliobaars, Can you tone it down a bit? | 03:41 |
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| tuliobaars | yes yes, just found it strange you guys so quiet, you're usually more participatory. | 03:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Well, I'm actually at work and don't have time to check my N900 #maemo all the time :) | 03:44 |
| jaem | I'm at home, which is my workplace, and I don't want IRC to eat my life. :P | 03:45 |
| ShadowJK | Btw, I missed it earlier, what does your .sh do exactly? | 03:45 |
| * ShadowJK still uses his N8x0 too :-) | 03:46 | |
| tuliobaars | ahh, ok | 03:46 |
| tuliobaars | sure, it optimize the kernel; | 03:46 |
| tuliobaars | add some stuff to MicroB confs | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | "optimize the kernel" sounds dubious :-) | 03:47 |
| tuliobaars | tune the metacrawler | 03:47 |
| ShadowJK | my own "optimizations" consist of increasing swappiness and shortening the dislk queue length for mmcs | 03:47 |
| * tuliobaars use only my N810, cause don't have a N900 yet =D | 03:48 | |
| tuliobaars | just relax and enjoy the improved device | 03:48 |
| tuliobaars | so, are you interessed? | 03:49 |
| tuliobaars | i had opened a project in garage | 03:49 |
| ptmn | Hey guys, did anyone has problems with PR1.2 performance? | 03:49 |
| tuliobaars | no, i guess | 03:49 |
| tuliobaars | overclock it | 03:49 |
| * tuliobaars don't know anything about N900 | 03:50 | |
| ptmn | before PR1.2 it was very fast but now my N900 is slow | 03:50 |
| arachnist | ptmn: Unhandled exception: different tenses mixed in one sentence: #maemo @ 02:49:20 CEST | 03:50 |
| * ShadowJK has no problems with performance, default clocks | 03:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | ptmn: not here | 03:50 |
| arachnist | ptmn: you broke my english language parser! | 03:50 |
| arachnist | ;) | 03:50 |
| ptmn | arachnist: Russia cannot into spa^W english :( | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | tuliobaars, I'm more interested in knowing what it actually does :) | 03:52 |
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| jaem | Does Fremantle use libnotify for notificataions? | 03:57 |
| b-man | yup | 03:58 |
| b-man | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/libnotify/0.4.4-2recomp1+0m5/ | 03:58 |
| jaem | b-man, Thanks | 03:59 |
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| WormFood | I suspect the backup battery for my N800 is NFG (No Fuckin' Good)....I just bought a VOM and measured the voltage...0.6 volts....I plug in the main battery, and get about 2.5 volts on the battery (so that tells me the battery is getting the voltage it needs to charge) | 04:32 |
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| jaem | WormFood, is it a Nokia battery, or third-party? | 04:48 |
| WormFood | 3rd party of course | 04:48 |
| WormFood | jaem, I know what you're thinking....this is not the main battery....this is the internal backup battery | 04:48 |
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| jaem | I didn't realize it had two. | 04:49 |
| WormFood | me neither, until I had problems. | 04:49 |
| jaem | Or is this just a coin cell or something mounted on the board? | 04:49 |
| WormFood | yes....tiny little fucker | 04:50 |
| WormFood | I don't mean "small"....this damn thing is minute! | 04:50 |
| jaem | Do you know the battery model number? | 04:51 |
| WormFood | no | 04:51 |
| WormFood | I have the original, but I'd need a magnifying glass to read any numbers off it (and I have good eyesight, and can usually read things others can't) | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | measure the diameter and height | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it have solder pins? | 04:52 |
| WormFood | tabs | 04:52 |
| jaem | Ay, one of those. | 04:52 |
| WormFood | it appears to have no markings that I can see...if they're there, then they're probably under the tabs | 04:52 |
| WormFood | yeah | 04:52 |
| WormFood | and I don't want to spend the time to go back to 华强北 to get another one....it is about an hour bus ride there and back. (and I've been there the last 2 days) | 04:53 |
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| jaem | WormFood, Any idea what the battery is for? | 04:54 |
| WormFood | to make it work right :P | 04:54 |
| jaem | I assume it's backing volatile memory on some chip...? | 04:54 |
| WormFood | of course | 04:54 |
| jaem | Heh, well, yes. | 04:55 |
| WormFood | I'll tell you what it does when it does not work.... | 04:55 |
| WormFood | the power button does not work....I insert the battery, and it comes on....there is no way to unlock it, when it locks....and when I boot with an "external" memory card, it says it is corrupt or unformatted, but if I reinsert it, it is good | 04:55 |
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| WormFood | I wished I could get scim working with it. Last time I tried, I couldn't type anything on the "keyboard" | 05:00 |
| WormFood | I like the way the maemo flasher uses 100% cpu power, while looking for the device.....too bad they didn't make that multi-threaded, to take advantage of my quad core cpu, so it can find the device faster ;) | 05:02 |
| ml-mobile | scim? which language? | 05:02 |
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| WormFood | 中文 ;) | 05:03 |
| WormFood | chinese | 05:03 |
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| jaem | WormFood, haha... sure. | 05:03 |
| WormFood | now I gotta stay on top of the n800, so it does not lock the screen, or I'll never get it unlocked (until I reboot), because I'm installing packages | 05:04 |
| WormFood | I bought a new digital VOM yesterday....cost less than $5 USD....I did some searching on the web, and everyone else is paying about $15 for it ;-) | 05:05 |
| WormFood | now I need to get a decent temp controlled solder iron (that will probably cost me about $20....there are advantages to living in China when it comes to this type of stuff) | 05:06 |
| jaem | WormFood, If you install Advanced Backlight, I think it allow you to disable dimming/lock. | 05:06 |
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| jaem | WormFood, Also, on the topic of electronics equipment, have you seen these? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9625 | 05:07 |
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| WormFood | jaem, for the N800? | 05:10 |
| jaem | WormFood, yes, it should be available. | 05:11 |
| jaem | Let me just double-check that it does in fact have that feature, first | 05:11 |
| jaem | I'll be be right back | 05:11 |
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| WormFood | that is ok | 05:12 |
| WormFood | after you said that, I thought to look in the settings...I just turned it off | 05:12 |
| WormFood | when people see my N800, they automatically assume it is a phone, because it says "Nokia" on it....so I have to tell them it isn't a phone | 05:13 |
| WormFood | which confuses them, because they think Nokia only makes phones. | 05:13 |
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| jaem | WormFood, never mind, I was mistaken | 05:14 |
| jaem | The Fremantle equivalent has that feature, but Advanced Backlight doesn't. | 05:15 |
| jaem | Hrm... I thought there was something that did, though. -shrug- It's been a while since I used my N810 regularly. | 05:15 |
| WormFood | it probably does not have it, because it is a feature that already exists in the stock firmware | 05:16 |
| jaem | Oh... well then. | 05:16 |
| * jaem is embarrassed. | 05:16 | |
| WormFood | embarrassed about what? | 05:17 |
| WormFood | I'm embarrassed that I didn't think to check the settings :-P | 05:17 |
| * jaem is no longer embarrassed. | 05:18 | |
| * jaem laughs at WormFood | 05:18 | |
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| WormFood | wow. I see a LOT of new apps for my n800...I haven't checked it in a while, but didn't expect there to be that many new apps | 06:14 |
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| jaem | WormFood, I was suprised, too. | 06:31 |
| jaem | It's nice to see, though. | 06:31 |
| WormFood | indeed | 06:31 |
| WormFood | if someone updates buildtorrent for maemo, some of my code will be included too :D | 06:32 |
| dima202 | Is it possible to bind a combination of keys to open dialing pad, or switch between vertical/horizontal view? | 06:33 |
| WormFood | I'm sure it is possible, but you may have to write your own software to do it. | 06:33 |
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| jaem | dima202, which keys do you want to use? | 06:35 |
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| WormFood | I remember before, I had configured my N800 to install packages and stuff to my internal memory card, but I can't find the information on how to do that now. Does anyone have that info handy? (I'm currently searching on google, but haven't found the right combination of keywords yet) | 06:36 |
| WormFood | After installing my normal software packages (and I want to install more), I only have about 3 meg left of internal memory | 06:37 |
| dima202 | 7 jaem ctrl + up for dial pad | 06:38 |
| dima202 | jaem: and ctrl + down for changing vertical/horizontal & disable sensor until reboot | 06:39 |
| dima202 | jaem: what do you htink? | 06:39 |
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| jaem | WormFood, http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card is what you're looking for, I believe. | 06:44 |
| WormFood | almost...I don't want to install the entire system to CF, I just want to install additional packages and stuff like that. | 06:45 |
| jaem | dima202, I'm not sure how Fremantle handles global shortcuts - there's no GUI for configuring them, as in KDE software - but you might be able to just tweak something. | 06:45 |
| jaem | I'm really not sure. | 06:45 |
| jaem | WormFood, Hmm... I never saw anything like that for the N8x0 myself. | 06:45 |
| dima202 | aww, you raised my hopes for a minute there | 06:45 |
| WormFood | I'm pretty sure that is what I did before....and I'm pretty sure I didn't have to install the entire system to the flash card | 06:46 |
| WormFood | in fact, I KNOW I had software installs going to the CF card....but don't think it was the entire system | 06:46 |
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| WormFood | maybe I did install the system to the flash card....but if I did, then my old system should still be there. | 06:47 |
| jaem | WormFood, wait, CF? | 06:47 |
| jaem | Also, what /is/ still there, then? | 06:48 |
| WormFood | I'm checking to see if the system is there | 06:48 |
| WormFood | everything is still there | 06:48 |
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| WormFood | wow, lots of pics from my trip to Macau, that I copied from my girlfriend's camera....that I forgot to copy to my hard drive. | 06:51 |
| WormFood | that is one of the things I love about the N800, is the fact it has 2 CF slots....so I can copy pictures from a camera, without having a whole computer with me (laptop) | 06:52 |
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| luke-jr | `hmm | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | looks liek T-Mobile's garden blocks TXT DNS replies | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | including nstx protocol | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to have N900 connected to both Wifi and 3G? | 06:54 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, technically, yes. | 06:56 |
| GAN900 | But that kernel version doesn't have that feature. | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | I'm surprised the kernel has such a limitation | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | this would usually be a userland issue | 06:56 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: any idea why standard *nix tools aren't in the Maemo repos? :/ | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, I was too. | 06:58 |
| WormFood | hhhmmm....maybe I didn't have all my packages installed to the flash card...I thought I did | 06:58 |
| WormFood | they are luke-jr | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, fMMS has code for it you may want to look at. | 06:58 |
| WormFood | look in the right repo | 06:58 |
| WormFood | also, what "standard tools" are you looking for? | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, tools repo from the SDK has some. | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: iproute2, tcpdump, dig, etc | 06:58 |
| WormFood | I'm pretty sure I saw tcpdump there | 06:59 |
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| WormFood | it looks like it was ettercap I saw | 07:02 |
| WormFood | luke-jr, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=145 I see tcpdump here | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | nevermind, I'm getting around to installing Gentoo... | 07:06 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 07:14 |
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| luke-jr | is there a good way to replace /home with a symlink to /media/gentoo/home or such? ;) | 07:15 |
| Macer | damn this win7 bitlocker crap is still going. it has been hours | 07:15 |
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| WormFood | what do you expect Macer? it is a microslop product....and it is dealing with encryption :P | 07:20 |
| WormFood | how can you honestly expect to have security out of any microslop product? Microsoft does not make products to USE, they make products to SELL. | 07:21 |
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| shorter | Why does conky show /home as full when it isn't? | 07:24 |
| WormFood | because it thinks it is full | 07:25 |
| shorter | my conversations program also wouldnt save any incoming or outgoing texts because it thinks it is full to | 07:25 |
| Macer | heh | 07:25 |
| shorter | any ideaS? | 07:25 |
| asj | shorter: why don't you drop to the commend line and fix it? | 07:25 |
| shorter | how? | 07:25 |
| WormFood | asj, I commend that suggestion | 07:25 |
| shorter | I'm in another country right now, and it would really be nice if my phone stops failing | 07:25 |
| shorter | well df -h | 07:26 |
| asj | shorter: run the X terminal | 07:26 |
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| shorter | doesnt show full | 07:26 |
| WormFood | another country eh? I think we're all in "another country" :P | 07:26 |
| shorter | meaning traveling on vacation | 07:26 |
| WormFood | where are you? | 07:26 |
| shorter | so I depend on this device (which now seems unfortunate) | 07:26 |
| shorter | sweden | 07:26 |
| WormFood | I know, I know, you're directly above the center of the earth, right? | 07:26 |
| shorter | all over europe soon | 07:26 |
| asj | shorter: df -h doesn't have any real relation to useage | 07:26 |
| shorter | very funny | 07:26 |
| shorter | sorry, du -sh | 07:27 |
| WormFood | I've never been to europe before....but I've been to Asia | 07:27 |
| Macer | hm | 07:27 |
| asj | shorter: sorry, du that's what I meant | 07:27 |
| Macer | WormFood: aes is aes | 07:27 |
| shorter | oh | 07:27 |
| shorter | it shows how full it is, though, right? | 07:27 |
| WormFood | Macer, but it is microsoft's implementation of aes | 07:27 |
| shorter | I just flashed it for the first time a week ago when it bricked | 07:27 |
| shorter | now it seems I'll have to agaian | 07:27 |
| asj | df -h does (funny enough) | 07:27 |
| shorter | well I've tried that too | 07:28 |
| Macer | so what | 07:28 |
| asj | shorter: how have you managed to put 2gigs of crap into /home? | 07:28 |
| shorter | no idea | 07:28 |
| shorter | I looked for it until my phone died yesterday | 07:28 |
| WormFood | does the aircrack-ng package have wesside-ng program? | 07:28 |
| shorter | du -sh'ing every subdir | 07:28 |
| asj | and flashing the normal image doesn't flash /home | 07:28 |
| shorter | to try to find where the bulk is | 07:28 |
| WormFood | shorter, try "du -sm *|sort -n | 07:29 |
| shorter | on which dir? | 07:29 |
| Macer | i should try aircrack-ng | 07:29 |
| Macer | and see what it can pick up here | 07:29 |
| WormFood | you can start with root, and work your way down | 07:29 |
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| asj | shorter: why not pastebin df -h for us? | 07:29 |
| shorter | du -sm *|sort -n "no such file or dir" | 07:30 |
| WormFood | using wesside-ng the other day, I cracked the starbucks password in 1.33 minutes....I wonder how well the N800 would do it | 07:30 |
| WormFood | no "sort"? | 07:30 |
| shorter | yeah df -h shows 1.9/2gig | 07:30 |
| asj | shorter: the whole thing | 07:30 |
| shorter | root isnt full if that's what you're asking | 07:31 |
| Macer | WormFood: whee did you get aircrack-ng from? | 07:31 |
| Macer | the project page is empty of files | 07:31 |
| shorter | would be quicker for me to just type it out to you | 07:31 |
| shorter | everything mounted in /home and /usr show 1.9/2 | 07:31 |
| shorter | in df -h | 07:31 |
| asj | shorter: nm then, how's /home/opt? | 07:31 |
| shorter | same | 07:31 |
| asj | with du, how much used | 07:32 |
| shorter | 146mb i think | 07:32 |
| asj | and you've rebooted the phone? | 07:32 |
| shorter | 285mb* | 07:32 |
| asj | oh I have an idea | 07:32 |
| shorter | a hundred times | 07:32 |
| asj | it's probably hidden under /home/user/MyDocs | 07:32 |
| asj | umount /home/user/MyDocs and do a du in there | 07:33 |
| shorter | I followed some stupid recommendation on the forum and lost the ability to use Conversations and the address book is empty too | 07:33 |
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| Macer | that is why i never use forums | 07:33 |
| Macer | heh | 07:33 |
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| Macer | except cyanogen forums | 07:33 |
| Macer | those actually work :) | 07:33 |
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| shorter | uh, umount says invalid argument | 07:34 |
| shorter | "umount /home/user/MyDocs" | 07:34 |
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| shorter | also, I deleted a 2gig file from MyDocs yesterday to ensure it wasn't taking up too much space (even though conky showed MyDocs as having more than enough left) | 07:35 |
| Macer | hm | 07:36 |
| Macer | nm it is in the dev repo | 07:36 |
| Macer | let me see if i can hack neighbor's wifi | 07:36 |
| shorter | do /opt and /home/opt have the same things in them or somesthing? | 07:36 |
| shorter | asj? | 07:36 |
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| asj | shorter: type "mount" what does the last line say? | 07:39 |
| asj | shorter: no, you don't understand. If there's a ~1.5gig file at /home/user/MyDocs/foobar then when /dev/mmcblk0p0 it'll "vanish" since you can no longer reach it | 07:39 |
| asj | but still consume 1.5gigs | 07:39 |
| asj | yes | 07:39 |
| asj | they are symlinks, they are the same thing | 07:39 |
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| Macer | ok | 07:44 |
| Macer | WormFood: so what do i type to try to crack something? :) | 07:44 |
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| WormFood | Macer, with what? | 07:44 |
| WormFood | aircrack-ng? wesside-ng? | 07:44 |
| Macer | aircrack-ng | 07:44 |
| Macer | i am going to try to crack my router | 07:44 |
| WormFood | Macer, first, collect enough packets....use kismet or whatever to capture the packets....then run aircrack-ng on that file | 07:45 |
| WormFood | if there is no traffic, you can't crack it | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | there is always traffic... | 07:45 |
| Macer | yeah | 07:45 |
| Macer | it has traffic now ;) | 07:45 |
| WormFood | ok | 07:46 |
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| shorter | /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/python-support on /usr/lib/python-support type bind (bind) -- is the last line of "mount" asj | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | can anyone confirm what block size the eMMC has? | 07:46 |
| WormFood | you don't need to stop monitoring to try to crack it, you can just run aircrack-ng on the capture file | 07:46 |
| WormFood | if you're using kismet, I suggest you lock it to your channel | 07:46 |
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| WormFood | Macer, are you using wep? | 07:46 |
| Macer | no | 07:47 |
| Macer | wpa2 | 07:47 |
| WormFood | then you'll have little luck | 07:47 |
| Macer | lies! | 07:47 |
| WormFood | you'll need a password file | 07:47 |
| Macer | oh wtf | 07:47 |
| shorter | asj, you mean if I delete something in MyDocs, it will vanish but still take up the space? | 07:47 |
| WormFood | wep is easy to crack | 07:47 |
| WormFood | wep is trivial to crack really | 07:47 |
| Macer | wtf uses wep nowadays? | 07:47 |
| asj | shorter: umm, you can see where /home/user/MyDocs is mounted? | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | Macer: what makes you think WPA is crackable? | 07:47 |
| Macer | wtf | 07:47 |
| asj | shorter: no | 07:47 |
| * luke-jr uses WEP | 07:47 | |
| Macer | luke-jr: haha | 07:47 |
| WormFood | Macer, many people still use WEP, because not all devices support WPA | 07:47 |
| Macer | then they should get new devices | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | I don't liek WPA, it's too complicated | 07:48 |
| Macer | too complicated? :) | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | I don't need to keep people out either | 07:48 |
| Macer | how so? | 07:48 |
| asj | even the nintendo ds doesn't do wpa | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it requires a supplicant | 07:48 |
| Macer | asj: that is because the nintendo ds is a piece of shit | 07:48 |
| Macer | luke-jr: wpa supplicant takes 1 min to set up | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it also works like crap | 07:48 |
| asj | Macer: mmm, but very popular | 07:48 |
| WormFood | I need to keep an open AP, as plausible deniability | 07:48 |
| Macer | luke-jr: ok. fair enough. i'll give you that one ;) | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: I have a non-WEP SSID also | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | or used to | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | too lazy to set it up again | 07:49 |
| Macer | doesn't aircrack-ng have like an auto brute force | 07:49 |
| WormFood | luke-jr, you really want to have fun? use an SSID in Chinese :D | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | my idea was an open AP with 56k speeds, and WEP for uncapped | 07:49 |
| Macer | where it just starts with a and works its way up? :) | 07:49 |
| WormFood | use “肏你妈” ;) | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | Macer: that's the other app WormFood mentioned | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | wesside-ng | 07:50 |
| WormFood | wesside-ng | 07:50 |
| Macer | oh | 07:50 |
| Macer | do they even have that for n900? | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | it's part of aircrack-ng suite IIRC | 07:50 |
| WormFood | that makes cracking wep trivial....one time starbucks took 15 minutes to crack....the other day it took 1.3 minutes (different location) | 07:50 |
| WormFood | yes luke-jr | 07:50 |
| WormFood | but, I'm not sure if it is included in the aircrack-ng package...probably | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 07:51 |
| Macer | i don't have it | 07:51 |
| Macer | heh | 07:51 |
| Macer | and i just installed aircrack-ng | 07:51 |
| Macer | ah well | 07:51 |
| WormFood | then find it, and install it | 07:51 |
| Macer | maybe some other day :) | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | but srsly, block size of eMMC? :/ | 07:51 |
| WormFood | wesside-ng is a script kiddie's tool | 07:51 |
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| Macer | WormFood: who cares .. as long as it works | 07:51 |
| WormFood | luke-jr, you asking about hardware or software block sizes? | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I'm plotting to write a DNS tunnel to use internet without a cell subscription ;) | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: what I need to align partitions to :) | 07:52 |
| Macer | hahahahaha | 07:52 |
| WormFood | Macer, it works very well....I cracked my 128 bit wep key on my network here in no time (10-15 minutes) | 07:52 |
| Macer | that would be awesome | 07:52 |
| Macer | i want to try to crack wpa | 07:52 |
| Macer | :) | 07:52 |
| WormFood | good luck with that luke-jr....that is really nothing new. | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | Macer: pretty sure it's possible; nstx does exist, but it uses TXT records which T-Mobile blocks | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: I'm going to use multiple A records probably | 07:52 |
| WormFood | they block txt records, just because of people like you | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | depends what T-Mobile allows past | 07:52 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no such thing as 128 bit web | 07:53 |
| SpeedEvil | p | 07:53 |
| WormFood | and what can you do with multiple a records? | 07:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 106? | 07:53 |
| WormFood | I didn't say "web", I said "wep" | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: 20 octets at a time, rather than 4? | 07:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I typoed | 07:53 |
| WormFood | and it IS 128 bits | 07:53 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no such thing as 128 bit WEP | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | depends on how many A replies T-Mobile passes | 07:53 |
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| WormFood | SpeedEvil, what the hell are you talking about? | 07:53 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: the last 22 bits are calculatable | 07:54 |
| WormFood | SpeedEvil, are you on drugs again? does your mommy know you're on her computer? | 07:54 |
| asj | there's no 64bit wep either | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: WEP was intentionally flawed so it could be exported legally | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | "64-bit" WEP is really 40-bit | 07:54 |
| WormFood | so what luke-jr, that does not mean it isn't 128 or 64 bits.....it is not an effective 128 or 64 bits (I think it is closer to an effective 56 or 112 bits) | 07:54 |
| Dassu | :( | 07:54 |
| WormFood | no, it is really 64-bits | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: you only need 40/106 bits to use it | 07:54 |
| WormFood | it is just that some of those bits are known....so it isn't effective 64 bits | 07:54 |
| WormFood | that does not negate the fact that you are wrong....it is a real 64/128 bits....it is an effective 40/106 bits | 07:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 128 bit WEP is totally incorrect IMO. | 07:55 |
| luke-jr | WormFood: that's like counting the SSID as "bits" | 07:55 |
| WormFood | no it isn't SpeedEvil | 07:55 |
| WormFood | it is bits | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | if it's known, it isn't part of the encryption | 07:56 |
| WormFood | and it is used as part of the key | 07:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The key is 40 or 106 bits. | 07:56 |
| WormFood | yes it is part of the encryption | 07:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The IV is not part of the key | 07:56 |
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| luke-jr | in any case! | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | block size for partitions, please :( | 07:56 |
| asj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wired_Equivalent_Privacy -- fight | 07:56 |
| WormFood | Standard 64-bit WEP uses a 40 bit key (also known as WEP-40),,,, | 07:57 |
| WormFood | A 128-bit WEP key is almost always entered by users as a string of 26 hexadecimal (base 16) characters (0-9 and A-F). Each character represents four bits of the key. 26 digits of four bits each gives 104 bits; adding the 24-bit IV produces the final 128-bit WEP key. | 07:57 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: YAY | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: where be the Gentoo guide thus far? | 07:59 |
| WormFood | there are 64/128/256 bits used in the encryption.....just because some of the bits are known, does not mean they are not used as part of the key....I agree, it isn't an effective 64/128/256 bits, but those are the real bits used in the encryption engine | 07:59 |
| WormFood | you have real key bits, and effective key bits.....just because the key is effectively shorter, does not mean less of a key is being used | 08:00 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: uh? | 08:00 |
| SpeedEvil | This is like arguing that my car can go to 999 miles an hour, as the speedometer has 3 digits. | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: want to install Gentoo | 08:00 |
| WormFood | not even close SpeedEvil | 08:00 |
| WormFood | SpeedEvil, admit it, your statements are technically wrong, but effectively correct | 08:01 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: ppl usually use google to find stuff. that doesn't work if you lose keys, however. | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: Google couldn't find it | 08:01 |
| WormFood | slonopotamus, sometimes you can use google to find your keys | 08:01 |
| WormFood | like if you lose your public rsa key, you may be able to find it with google :P | 08:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I completely disagree that the IV is ever considered to add to the width of the key. | 08:01 |
| WormFood | it is part of the key. | 08:02 |
| Macer | wtf | 08:02 |
| WormFood | that key is used in the encryption engine | 08:02 |
| Macer | there is no way to relock a bitlocker drive once you unlock it? | 08:02 |
| WormFood | so you're saying, if you change the IV, and run that packet through the encryption engine again, you'll get the same output? | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: if that's a joke, i don't get it. haven't drunk my morning coffee yet | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: it's not | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I can't find anything on Gentoo N900 on Google | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | oh, n900. | 08:03 |
| Macer | http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprosecurity/thread/41607938-7452-440d-8253-67fe8657bc0f | 08:04 |
| Macer | LOL | 08:04 |
| WormFood | SpeedEvil, do you know anything about encryption at all? seriously. have you ever written any encryption apps? (I have) | 08:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, and yes. | 08:04 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: maybe because noone wrote it yet? | 08:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'm going to bed, as it's 6AM. | 08:04 |
| WormFood | then how can you say what you do? what you're saying makes no sense, if you understand how this stuff works | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: o rly? :/ | 08:04 |
| WormFood | see ya l8r SpeedEvil....don't sleep too fast, or too evil :P | 08:05 |
| Termana | Anyone know weather hildon-desktop in the Debian sid repositories is Diablo hildon-desktop or Fremantle hildon-desktop? | 08:07 |
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| asj | Termana: rainy | 08:08 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: ya rly | 08:08 |
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| Termana | asj, what? | 08:09 |
| asj | Termana: the weather | 08:09 |
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| Termana | ah | 08:11 |
| Termana | whether* | 08:11 |
| Termana | :P | 08:11 |
| asj | Termana: this should answer your question http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.0.7.debian.1-1/changelog | 08:11 |
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| Termana | asj, how so? The last change was in 2008, but the last change for hildon-desktop_2.0.19.debian.1-3 is May 2010. | 08:15 |
| Termana | The only indication I can see that the second package would be Fremantle's hildon-desktop is "New upstream snapshot" | 08:15 |
| asj | Termana: the dates seem pretty old | 08:16 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: how did you partition your N900? | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I'm doing 2 GB home, 2 GB vfat, 768 MB swap, 10 GB gentoo | 08:20 |
| Termana | asj, how is May 2010 old? - http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.0.19.debian.1-3/changelog.txt | 08:20 |
| Termana | :P | 08:20 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: you didn't want to _buy_ n900. smth changed? | 08:23 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: surprise shipment from Nokia a week or so ago | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: err... as a gift too? | 08:24 |
| RST38h | moo slonopotamus | 08:24 |
| RST38h | they sent him boobytrapped n900! | 08:24 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: hai | 08:24 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I presume so. haven't received a bill, or even a "this is what we expect in return" for that matter | 08:25 |
| slonopotamus | :/ | 08:25 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: mine had "not for sale" sticker on box | 08:25 |
| WormFood | Nokia tried to send one of my friends an N810 as a gift, but chinese customs rejected it, twice. (he wrote the most popular ebook reader for nokia phones in China) | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | ouch | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: you'd flip it? :P | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | another surprise, today, was that T-Mobile has fairly good coverage here considering they claim I'm outside their service area | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | (a friend mailed me an old SIM card of his) | 08:26 |
| Macer | does maemo have encrypted loop support? | 08:26 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: w/e. i use n800 for gentoo stuff | 08:27 |
| Macer | so i can mount an encrypted mydocs drive image? :) | 08:27 |
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| Macer | ah well. let me watch five minutes of heaven | 08:28 |
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| Macer | crazy northern ireland | 08:30 |
| shorter | sorry for the delay, asj | 08:30 |
| shorter | but what should I do? | 08:30 |
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| shorter | were you implied a certain course of action? | 08:30 |
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| shorter | to free up /home (why is this so hard on maemo- what is mysterious about what is taking all of the space? no other linux distro is like this) | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | shorter: no other linux distro has a mere 2 GB disk space :P | 08:31 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: w/e. I presume Nokia didn't gift a device for my own personal use | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | :p | 08:32 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: so that's why you called me via jabber at 4am last week? | 08:33 |
| luke-jr | lol yep | 08:33 |
| slonopotamus | i wasn't it talk mood for some reason | 08:34 |
| luke-jr | oh well | 08:35 |
| luke-jr | maybe next time I try 3 AM | 08:35 |
| shorter | I've run plenty of linux servers with less than 1gig | 08:36 |
| shorter | wtf, there is something seriously wrong | 08:36 |
| shorter | i delete a sip account | 08:36 |
| shorter | try to craete another and it says out of space | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | fail | 08:36 |
| shorter | where is all of this space going?! | 08:36 |
| shorter | luke-jr, did you see asj and I talking above? | 08:37 |
| shorter | he seemed to understand the issue, but I don' | 08:37 |
| shorter | he says flashing the device won't fix /home | 08:37 |
| luke-jr | du -x /home | sort -n | 08:37 |
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| shorter | okay, what part of the output do you want? | 08:38 |
| asj | shorter: type mount, do you see /home/user/MyDocs mount listed? | 08:38 |
| shorter | nope | 08:40 |
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| asj | shorter: do you have it connected via usb mass storage? | 08:40 |
| shorter | oh yeah lol | 08:40 |
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| asj | ok, you can't do any serious work on the phone while it's mounted via usb mass storage | 08:41 |
| shorter | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on ....MyDocs | 08:41 |
| shorter | yeah forgot I was just charging it | 08:42 |
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| shorter | with laptop cause my power adapter doesnt work in europe | 08:42 |
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| asj | then don't put in ums, just click above for cancel | 08:42 |
| shorter | k | 08:42 |
| shorter | so what do i do? | 08:42 |
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| shorter | what that mount info | 08:43 |
| shorter | /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 08:43 |
| asj | shorter: anyways, back to sqaure one, what's the first line of the command luke-jr had you run | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | last* | 08:44 |
| shorter | you had me running stuff before him | 08:44 |
| shorter | du -x /home | sort -n | 08:44 |
| luke-jr | shorter: the last line, please | 08:44 |
| shorter | oh last line of the output | 08:44 |
| shorter | 1957884 /home | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | shorter: ok, now: ls -lhA /home | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | pastebin all the results | 08:45 |
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| shorter | never pastebin'd with the n900 before | 08:46 |
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| shorter | uhhh. it shows .apt-archive-cache | 08:46 |
| shorter | lost+found, opt, and user | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | and sizes | 08:47 |
| shorter | 3, 2, 40, 65 | 08:48 |
| shorter | 4k, 16k, 4k, and 4k | 08:48 |
| shorter | luke-jr, those are the right ones right? | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | oh, nm, I forgot how du works :) | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | hmmm | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | pastebin the last 25 lines of it XD | 08:51 |
| Corsac | with a userland recent enough (like, not the n900 :/) du -hs | sort -h :) | 08:52 |
| shorter | luke-jr, you're saying to paste bin du -x /home | sort -n ? | 08:54 |
| shorter | can I just tell you something about the output since I dont have pastebin or any space to install it | 08:54 |
| Corsac | shorter: just redirect output to a file than copy it somewhere else? | 08:58 |
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| Corsac | then* | 08:59 |
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| shorter | you want to see the file sizes and directories, right? | 08:59 |
| shorter | the last 5 lines: | 08:59 |
| shorter | 1900000 /home | 08:59 |
| shorter | that's 1,900,000 /home | 09:00 |
| shorter | 1,600,000 /home/user | 09:00 |
| shorter | 1,600,000 /home/user/.osso.... | 09:00 |
| shorter | 290,000 /home/opt | 09:01 |
| shorter | aproximate obviously luke-jr | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | ls -lhA /home/user/.osso | 09:01 |
| asj | (and just tell us the sze of the big file) | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | the name of it, too | 09:01 |
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| asj | lol, yeah that too | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | my favourite: du /home | grep -v MyDocs | sort -n | tail -50 | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: du -x works better | 09:02 |
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| Termana | My favourite is rm -r...... well you know the rest | 09:02 |
| Termana | :P | 09:02 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 09:02 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess -x is what on would want | 09:03 |
| ShadowJK | wait, does he have 1.6gig ~/.osso ? | 09:03 |
| asj | ShadowJK: yes | 09:04 |
| ShadowJK | wtf? | 09:04 |
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| ShadowJK | mines 620k | 09:05 |
| shorter | wait what | 09:05 |
| asj | ShadowJK: don't worry, when you get to puberty it'll grow bigger ;) | 09:05 |
| shorter | I just did du -sh /home/user/.osso | 09:05 |
| shorter | and mine says 616k | 09:05 |
| asj | I give up, going home | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:06 |
| shorter | well I'm kind of desparate here | 09:06 |
| shorter | in a foreign country charging my phone using my laptop's battery and it can't store shit | 09:06 |
| shorter | and flashing it won't fix the issue I'm told | 09:07 |
| asj | shorter: luke-jr is really nice, patience of saint, I'm sure he'll help you | 09:07 |
| shorter | awesome, thanks | 09:07 |
| shorter | and thank you too asj | 09:07 |
| asj | sarcasm doesn't work well on irc ;) | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | shorter: just give me root ssh access and it'll be fine | 09:07 |
| ShadowJK | du -x /home/user/.osso then? | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | asj: hopefully mine does | 09:07 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:07 |
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| shorter | maybe I can, hmm | 09:09 |
| shorter | not sure if I'm firewalled | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | shorter: I was joking FWIW | 09:09 |
| shorter | okay | 09:09 |
| ShadowJK | uh :-) | 09:10 |
| shorter | the biggest is "616" in that | 09:10 |
| ShadowJK | has your n900 crashed, unexpected reboots/resets or unexpected shutdowns? | 09:10 |
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| shorter | yeah, I had to flash it last week after it bricked | 09:11 |
| shorter | it wouldnt start just spontaneously reboot | 09:11 |
| WormFood | Macer, I read that page on how to relock a bitlocker drive....that is too fuckin' funny...."Please temporarily restart the computer every time for security. Thank you for your understanding [that Microsoft products are complete shit]." | 09:12 |
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| shorter | luke-jr, do we know what i taking all of the space yet so I can delete it? | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | did you flash emmc too at that time? | 09:13 |
| shorter | nope | 09:13 |
| Macer | WormFood: you can lock it from the command line ;) | 09:13 |
| Macer | that's a little bit more down | 09:13 |
| WormFood | I know | 09:13 |
| WormFood | but still, a shit system, designed to be sold, and not used | 09:13 |
| Macer | but yeah. the first response made me bust out laughing | 09:13 |
| WormFood | they don't give a fuck about security, they only care about getting that money out of your pocket | 09:14 |
| Macer | uhm | 09:14 |
| Macer | maybe.. but in order to get that money and avoid liability they have to produce something somewhat secure | 09:15 |
| WormFood | no they don't | 09:15 |
| shorter | you there luke-jr? | 09:15 |
| WormFood | there is no such thing as "somewhat secure"....it is either secure, or it isn't | 09:15 |
| * Macer stares at kde 1.0 | 09:15 | |
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| luke-jr | no | 09:15 |
| Macer | :) | 09:15 |
| ShadowJK | my hunch would be filesystem corruption from the crashes.. but I hope it isn't, only sane recovery is something like emmc flash | 09:15 |
| Macer | there are plenty of problems with plenty of OSes | 09:15 |
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| WormFood | if I install my system (N800) to a flash card, do I lose most of my internal storage? | 09:16 |
| Macer | simply being vindictive towards windows for the sake of it is a silly idealogy | 09:16 |
| shorter | the eemc flash will hurt the phone? | 09:16 |
| WormFood | face it man, windows is garbage | 09:16 |
| WormFood | they do a shit job, it is a shit os | 09:16 |
| Macer | it isn't microsoft's problem that the rest of the world is playing catch up :) just like apple and the world trying to catch up to the iphone | 09:16 |
| WormFood | the iphone is also garbage | 09:16 |
| Macer | i've seen plenty of opensource that is shit | 09:17 |
| WormFood | but nice looking garbage | 09:17 |
| ShadowJK | shorter: well it erases all your files on it | 09:17 |
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| ml-mobile | err, no | 09:17 |
| WormFood | hey! windows/microsoft does not have a monopoly on shit software | 09:17 |
| shorter | i have them on my laptop | 09:17 |
| MiXu- | In my opinion Windows 7 is the least crap OS out there at the moment. Taking into account the software availability. | 09:17 |
| WormFood | there is shit everywhere! | 09:17 |
| ShadowJK | (and people keep editing the wiki, so it's never right on how to do it properly, either) | 09:17 |
| WormFood | There isn't a Microsoft OS that isn't shit | 09:17 |
| MiXu- | There isn't an OS that isn't shit. Period. :D | 09:17 |
| ml-mobile | WormFood: the iphone is a nice device to use from both a user and developer standpoint | 09:17 |
| ShadowJK | MS Bob was ok ;-) | 09:17 |
| WormFood | Microsoft got into the software business to make applications, not OSes | 09:18 |
| MiXu- | The same applies for phones. THey're all shit. | 09:18 |
| Macer | MiXu-: lies! meego!! | 09:18 |
| WormFood | even their first OS they bought | 09:18 |
| ml-mobile | it is not pure marketing | 09:18 |
| MiXu- | MeeGo isn't really out yet. (no products) | 09:18 |
| WormFood | windows is a shit design | 09:18 |
| shorter | damn, I have to leave soon and I was hoping this would be fixed some I'm not phone-less | 09:18 |
| WormFood | they didn't learn from their mistakes | 09:18 |
| Macer | WormFood: sorry but now you're just trolling | 09:18 |
| Macer | :) | 09:18 |
| WormFood | their mistakes remain intact for backwards compatability with other shit before it | 09:18 |
| Macer | ANYWAYS | 09:18 |
| WormFood | now look at how fuckin' bloated Windows is | 09:19 |
| WormFood | Windows has gone far beyond the functions of an OS, now it is a platform for making money off you | 09:19 |
| Macer | :) bloated as in what? how much are 1TB hard drives nowadays? | 09:19 |
| ml-mobile | I'll care when you can more accurately and less profanely make your point | 09:19 |
| MiXu- | Nobody cares about bloat. As long as it works, and 7 does it's job pretty decently. | 09:19 |
| Macer | 640K is enough! | 09:19 |
| ml-mobile | and it was -always- like that | 09:19 |
| Macer | bloated doesn't matter anymore | 09:20 |
| WormFood | does not matter....it sucks up 10 gig for a base install | 09:20 |
| MiXu- | WormFood: Who cares? | 09:20 |
| Macer | WormFood: wow.. 10 whole gigabytes? :) | 09:20 |
| WormFood | it matters when it comes to my N800 | 09:20 |
| ml-mobile | 10GB for an OS is rather... big | 09:20 |
| Macer | what will i do without all that space it takes up on my 2TB hd | 09:20 |
| Macer | haha | 09:20 |
| ml-mobile | and honestly, windows doesn't even have a compiler to show for it | 09:21 |
| WormFood | not "big"....it is fuckin huge! | 09:21 |
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| Macer | i'm sorry. but i don't buy into the "it is bloated" argument | 09:21 |
| WormFood | no, if you want a compiler, that is another $600 | 09:21 |
| MiXu- | ml-mobile: Again, a point that nobody really cares about :) | 09:21 |
| Macer | who cares ... ram is cheap and hardware is cheap | 09:21 |
| WormFood | what the fuck can they be doing with 10 gig of shit? | 09:21 |
| Macer | i'll run linux on s ome 1990 dx2 or something if it's that serious | 09:21 |
| MiXu- | Devs are another story but if you guys haven't noticed, it's all about users these days. | 09:21 |
| WormFood | I mean, think about it for a minute | 09:21 |
| WormFood | 10 fuckin' gig | 09:21 |
| ml-mobile | MiXu-: I do, it's not microsoft's space to waste | 09:21 |
| WormFood | for an OS | 09:21 |
| Macer | :) | 09:21 |
| Macer | otherwise i'll go ahead and spend the $100 for more ram and space | 09:22 |
| WormFood | I installed windows 7 on a 10 gig drive, that I had laying around, and had less than 100 meg of free space | 09:22 |
| Macer | HAHAHAHA | 09:22 |
| WormFood | yes, hardware is cheap, so lets all go out and buy more fuckin' hardware | 09:22 |
| ml-mobile | shenanigans | 09:22 |
| MiXu- | I had Windows 7 installed on a 4GB SSD and had no problems with it. | 09:22 |
| WormFood | yes, it does not matter ,that you have an old computer, buy a new one | 09:22 |
| MiXu- | Needed some tweaking though. | 09:22 |
| ml-mobile | I doubt it would let you install | 09:22 |
| WormFood | it will let you install on 10 gig...try it | 09:23 |
| WormFood | anyways, I need to do some work | 09:23 |
| Macer | it isn't microsoft's fault that you have some 20 year old hard drive that you are still trying to use | 09:23 |
| Macer | :) | 09:23 |
| Macer | i mean cmon | 09:23 |
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| WormFood | does not matter | 09:23 |
| Macer | "i dug up some old hardware to run the end user OS that came out in 2009" | 09:23 |
| WormFood | not everyone wants to buy new hardware | 09:23 |
| Macer | that is idiotic | 09:24 |
| MiXu- | MeeGo is crap because it doesn't run on Nokia N70! | 09:24 |
| WormFood | some of use want to use existing hardware we already have | 09:24 |
| ml-mobile | installing it on a 10GB drive is silly, but again, the space isn't microsoft's to waste | 09:24 |
| Macer | WormFood: well. it isn't microsoft's fault that you don't want to buy new hardware to keep up with software | 09:24 |
| MiXu- | WormFood: Then use the existing SW that you had when you bought the crap HW. | 09:24 |
| WormFood | yes, it is sorta still....outside of the fact, i should be able to have a usable system on a 10 gig drive | 09:24 |
| ml-mobile | that said, I wonder if the space reporting isn't being oberblown by WinSxS | 09:24 |
| Macer | that is like saying you have some video card from 1990 and are pissed compiz doesn't work | 09:25 |
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| Macer | it is a stupid argument | 09:25 |
| MiXu- | yes | 09:25 |
| WormFood | it is an OS....OSes are not supposed to be fuckin' huge | 09:25 |
| Macer | some of us want to use 128MB of ram and a dx2/50 with a 10G hard drive | 09:25 |
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| Macer | with an os that came out in the later half of the 2000s | 09:25 |
| WormFood | and I can use a dx2/50 with 128 meg of ram with Linux, and have the machine do something too | 09:26 |
| Macer | and runnign even linux on it will run like shit | 09:26 |
| ml-mobile | heh | 09:26 |
| jaem | Macer, I think the point WormFood is trying to make is specific to storage. If you were talking about processors or other things, I'd agree with you entirely. | 09:26 |
| MiXu- | Who are you to say what OS's are "supposed to be"? :) | 09:26 |
| jaem | Old machine == junk to some point, yes | 09:26 |
| jaem | But bits are bits | 09:26 |
| WormFood | I'm talking about the fact that is is bloated, and goes far beyond what an OS is supposed to do | 09:27 |
| jaem | I'm not saying I necessarily think it's bloated myself, but it is a idfferent matter | 09:27 |
| ml-mobile | I almost care enough to boot my work laptop and check the W7 install size | 09:27 |
| Macer | it isn't a kernel WormFood | 09:27 |
| Macer | it is a FULL end user OS :) | 09:27 |
| Macer | which is meant to run with as much hardware as possible | 09:27 |
| Macer | for users who are idiots | 09:27 |
| WormFood | what fuckin' business does a web browser have doing in an OS? | 09:27 |
| Macer | heh | 09:27 |
| WormFood | a god damn web browser isn't part of an OS | 09:27 |
| jaem | WormFood, Helping break the Internet? | 09:27 |
| Macer | WormFood: well. the majority of people use web browsers :) | 09:28 |
| ml-mobile | Macer: which is sloppy, flooding the disk with unused drivers ;) | 09:28 |
| MiXu- | It would be a pain in the ass to install a browser if the OS didn't have one to begin with. | 09:28 |
| WormFood | so what Macer, it is not part of an OS...it is an application | 09:28 |
| Macer | ml-mobile: oh i agree.. but it is an os for the masses | 09:28 |
| jaem | MiXu-, why? wget! :D | 09:28 |
| WormFood | MiXu-, I used to do it all the time | 09:28 |
| * jaem is kidding | 09:28 | |
| Macer | ls is an application too isn't it? | 09:28 |
| Macer | :) | 09:28 |
| MiXu- | jaem: I almost laughed ;) | 09:28 |
| jaem | Anyhow, I'm too tired to argue. Have a good {n,f}ight | 09:28 |
| Macer | jaem: haha | 09:28 |
| WormFood | in fact, I showed my mom how to download netscape (back in the old days), without using a web browser | 09:28 |
| jaem | MiXu-, Seriously, though, I wish Windows had wget. | 09:28 |
| ml-mobile | and no, IE is not part of the OS, that was a lie to dodge federal prosecution | 09:28 |
| jaem | Inasmuch as IE is a tool for downloading Firefox, wget is much slimmer. | 09:29 |
| WormFood | I know that ml-mobile | 09:29 |
| jaem | -snerk- | 09:29 |
| MiXu- | jaem: Me too. But 99% of it's users have never heard of wget :) | 09:29 |
| Macer | jaem: hahaha | 09:29 |
| WormFood | just use ftp, it is part of winblows too | 09:29 |
| MiXu- | and would never use it | 09:29 |
| WormFood | 99% of users are fuckin' droolin' idiots | 09:29 |
| Macer | you can install wget in windows :) | 09:29 |
| Macer | heh | 09:29 |
| jaem | MiXu-, Yes, I know, and I'm kidding. | 09:29 |
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| jaem | I'm just saying that I actually find the lack frustrating | 09:29 |
| jaem | Anyhow, night | 09:29 |
| WormFood | 'night jaem | 09:29 |
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| MiXu- | WormFood: Which is why software is built for drooling idiots. | 09:30 |
| MiXu- | And not geeks and devs. | 09:30 |
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| Macer | and i bet it is entirely possible to create your own install cd/dvd slimmed down | 09:30 |
| Luisa | hi | 09:30 |
| Macer | have you ever tried that WormFood ? :) | 09:30 |
| marmoute | curl is better | 09:30 |
| Macer | you can probably get it down to 4MB | 09:30 |
| Macer | so you can have plenty of space on that 10GB hd | 09:30 |
| WormFood | 4 meg of what? license agreements? | 09:30 |
| ml-mobile | Macer: dubious, what with WGA | 09:30 |
| Macer | WormFood: you can remove that as well | 09:31 |
| MiXu- | As I said earlier. Windows 7 is easily slimmed down to fit on a 4GB drive. | 09:31 |
| Macer | it is easy to cut the fat off win7 pretty well and create your own install disc | 09:31 |
| frals | oh, i mustve joined the wrong channel, didnt realise this was #hatemicrosoft | 09:31 |
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| mavhc | 4GB is small now? | 09:31 |
| WormFood | one shouldn't need to cut off the fat | 09:31 |
| WormFood | if you want fat, you should install it yourself | 09:31 |
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| Macer | WormFood: uhm. you have to with linux too... you have choices in debian on what kind of system you are going to be running | 09:32 |
| Macer | have you ever installed x11 dev stuff? | 09:32 |
| frals | i love people who are not part of the target group is whining about something not fitting them | 09:32 |
| Macer | heh. anyways. going to smoke. bbl | 09:32 |
| frals | +when somewhere in the previous line | 09:33 |
| Macer | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements | 09:33 |
| Macer | ok now bbl :) | 09:33 |
| ml-mobile | frals: technically, MS's target audience is everyo | 09:33 |
| ml-mobile | +ne | 09:33 |
| WormFood | <Macer> heh. anyways. going to smoke some cawk. bbl <-- There, I fixed it for you | 09:33 |
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| ml-mobile | now you're trolling | 09:34 |
| Macer | whoa there. don't take up all that bandwidth on your 1200bps modem you didn't want to give up :) | 09:34 |
| WormFood | ml-mobile, I've known Macer for years | 09:34 |
| WormFood | we're friends on another channel, on another network | 09:34 |
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| Macer | yeah but they don't talk like that here WormFood ;) not that kind of # | 09:35 |
| WormFood | Macer, Actually, first time I was on the web, was on a 1200 baud modem (or was it 300 baud?) | 09:35 |
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| Macer | still have it? | 09:35 |
| WormFood | no | 09:35 |
| WormFood | I traded it | 09:35 |
| Macer | for a cable modem? | 09:35 |
| Macer | :) | 09:35 |
| WormFood | I found the modem online not too long ago | 09:35 |
| WormFood | no, for a battery powered 300 baud modem (for a laptop) | 09:35 |
| Macer | thinking of hacking the wopr? | 09:36 |
| WormFood | you need 4800 baud to get into that | 09:36 |
| Macer | be careful. i hear the government might be running systems with larger hard drives than 10G nowadays | 09:36 |
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| WormFood | hahaha....I came into work one day, and my boss was so proud of the computer system he had just bought | 09:37 |
| WormFood | I could barely get in the door | 09:37 |
| WormFood | it was fuckin' HUGE | 09:37 |
| Macer | arpanet is a whole new beast from what i've heard.. i could be wrong though :) | 09:37 |
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| WormFood | it had a 5 MEG hard drive, the size of a washing machine....it used a 220 volt, external (to the drive) motor, with a belt to spin the platters | 09:37 |
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| WormFood | I laughed my ass off, because he just threw away $100 | 09:38 |
| Macer | hey. i wouldn't mind having a wang :-P | 09:38 |
| WormFood | hahaha | 09:38 |
| Macer | wow that didn't sound right | 09:38 |
| Macer | :) | 09:38 |
| WormFood | easy girl, one day you will get a wang....but then you won't know what to do with it | 09:39 |
| Macer | there was one at a place we used to work at... i think someone threw it out and a car hit it and was totaled | 09:39 |
| Macer | the car that is | 09:39 |
| Macer | does fremantle dev still use scratchbox? | 09:40 |
| Macer | i should set it up so i can build little things that i want | 09:41 |
| MiXu- | Not necessarily. There's also Nokia Qt SDK if you do Qt. | 09:41 |
| MiXu- | And have an N900 | 09:41 |
| Macer | every time i tried building on the n810 it always ended in failure | 09:41 |
| Macer | i tried to get dpkg to work on it one (week) and just couldn't get it going :) | 09:42 |
| MiXu- | in SB? | 09:42 |
| Macer | no | 09:42 |
| Macer | on the n810 itself | 09:42 |
| MiXu- | Ah | 09:42 |
| WormFood | has anyone installed their os on a flash card, on the N800? Do I NEED to partition the card? | 09:42 |
| MiXu- | I've never tried compiling on device. | 09:42 |
| Macer | i could compile. it is just that the libs and deps were too much of a pain | 09:42 |
| Macer | it was a huge cascading effect | 09:43 |
| Macer | on a flash card? | 09:43 |
| Macer | the SD? | 09:43 |
| Macer | yes you NEED to | 09:43 |
| WormFood | yes | 09:43 |
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| WormFood | fuck! I hate doing shit like that.....not that is is hard, in fact it is trivial....but changing it as a pain in the ass | 09:44 |
| Macer | windows would partition it automatically for you if it ran on the n800 :-P | 09:44 |
| WormFood | I mean...if I decide I want to change partition sizes, it is a pain in the ass | 09:44 |
| Macer | you could probably find a script that does everything for you | 09:44 |
| WormFood | at least I have a 4 gig card | 09:44 |
| Macer | but i think the partitioning always has to be done by hand.. i could be wrong tho | 09:44 |
| Macer | it has been a while since i've had my n8x0 | 09:44 |
| WormFood | it is no big deal....I'll just partition it....I suppose 1 gig would be enough for the system, and the rest for storage | 09:45 |
| Macer | i had an n800 and an n810.. i have no idea wtf i did with the n810. it's probably behind a dresser or something | 09:45 |
| Macer | WormFood: you need a small fat partition too | 09:45 |
| Macer | depending on how you want to use the swap | 09:45 |
| WormFood | or maybe it is up your....oohhh, right, not that kind of # | 09:45 |
| Macer | maybe a swap partition | 09:45 |
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| ShadowJK | Actually, the windows installer has a bug which makes it crash/hang seeing non-windows partitions, so you have to repartition manually with something else first ;-) | 09:46 |
| WormFood | what the fuck do I need a FAT partition for? I don't have any FAT partitions now. | 09:46 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: hahahaha! i was waiting for someone to say it | 09:46 |
| Macer | WormFood: i remember there being a reason why... just can't remember what it was | 09:47 |
| Macer | asdffadfafdsfdf | 09:47 |
| Macer | oops | 09:47 |
| yigal | hmm | 09:47 |
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| Macer | i know if you are using maemo4 you can either set up a swap partition or you can use a swap file on the internal sd fat partition | 09:49 |
| yigal | man I love mappero v3.0+beta8 | 09:49 |
| Macer | what the hell happened to mer? wasn't that supposed to be fremantle on n8x0 | 09:49 |
| Macer | ? | 09:49 |
| yigal | Macer: feel you, n8x0 roxs | 09:50 |
| Macer | well. it is a little dated but still :) | 09:50 |
| Dassu | is there an easy method to create desktop shortcut to pdf? | 09:50 |
| Macer | yigal: mer says that it has become meego | 09:51 |
| yigal | Macer: interesting | 09:51 |
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| yigal | I'm just starting to appreciate Freemantle | 09:51 |
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| Macer | well. mer was supposed to be fremantle for n8x0 | 09:51 |
| yigal | did you know one can search emails using Modest | 09:51 |
| yigal | just by typing in the phrase one seeks, very simple and useful | 09:52 |
| Macer | i don't like that modest doesn't have an option on storing the sent stuff on the imap server | 09:52 |
| Macer | there is no option to change its local sent directory to something else | 09:52 |
| yigal | right, and I would like to be able to switch immediately to the inbox of different imap accounts | 09:53 |
| Macer | so you have to manually copy them over .. and if you do it later.. then they get changed timestamps on the imap server to the date they were copied to it | 09:53 |
| yigal | but owell | 09:53 |
| yigal | never said it was perfect, lmao | 09:53 |
| Macer | yeah. it's rough.. but overall i guess it gets the job done | 09:53 |
| Macer | :) | 09:53 |
| Macer | i just hope meego takes the n900 and turns it into an actual phone instead of an internet tablet with a phone on it | 09:54 |
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| yigal | for me the n900 is really powerful | 09:54 |
| yigal | Macer: really? | 09:54 |
| Macer | with like.. portrait mode | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | i dont need an actual phone | 09:54 |
| yigal | I down with ShadowJK's take | 09:54 |
| frals | modest improvements -> http://gitorious.org/modest | 09:54 |
| ShadowJK | if I wanted to talk to people I'd get a Nokia 1200 | 09:54 |
| yigal | haha | 09:54 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: well. i think it isn't really the fact about the phone part as it is more so the fact that some things are easier done in portrait mode | 09:55 |
| Macer | but i am not going to start another portrait v landscape divorce here :) | 09:55 |
| yigal | mypaint taking notes etc. with bt headset is perfect on the n900 | 09:55 |
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| Macer | but interfacing with the device... some consideration should have been given to pulling the thing out of your pocket and being able to one hand and thumb a couple of things | 09:55 |
| yigal | I don't really care what "mode" it's in | 09:55 |
| Macer | instead of the kung fu twist you need to learn | 09:55 |
| yigal | hmm, interesting thought | 09:56 |
| ShadowJK | It's been a long time since I've been able to do that with any phone :) | 09:56 |
| ShadowJK | or rather, approximately since they started putting headphone ports on top of phone so you have to flip them after retrieving them out of pocket :P | 09:57 |
| yigal | I like the fact that I can take inked notes on the same device as I'm having a phone call with | 09:57 |
| yigal | I can also record the conversation if I feel like it | 09:57 |
| yigal | whether it's in portrait or landscape is really inconsequential to me | 09:58 |
| yigal | but i understand how to others it isn't | 09:58 |
| * ShadowJK does about 2 voice calls | 09:58 | |
| ShadowJK | per month | 09:58 |
| ShadowJK | 6 if telemarketes count :( | 09:59 |
| yigal | well it sounds rather streamlined | 09:59 |
| yigal | I have roughly 6 calls/day | 10:00 |
| ShadowJK | when at work I can't do voice calls anyway, and when at home I usually answer on my other nokia :/ | 10:00 |
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| * luke-jr notes portrait mode -.- | 10:00 | |
| luke-jr | s/notes/hates | 10:01 |
| yigal | lol | 10:01 |
| yigal | luke-jr: ya I feel that | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | mainly because Maemo is so slow transitioning between modes I guess | 10:01 |
| asj_ | luke-jr: did you ever find what's his faces problem? | 10:01 |
| ShadowJK | I mostly hate that I can't seem to switch it off in gpodder, and it randomly decides to switch | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | asj_: no, I gave up when he said conflicting info | 10:01 |
| yigal | luke-jr: ya, the automatic rotate sucks | 10:01 |
| Mac3r | omg | 10:01 |
| Mac3r | seriously | 10:02 |
| asj_ | luke-jr: yeah :| | 10:02 |
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| luke-jr | I even disabled portrait mode for the phone app and it STILL forces it on me randomly | 10:02 |
| Macor | if comcast went down AGAIN i am throwing a nutty | 10:02 |
| yigal | luke-jr: interesting, I've done the same it's behaving for me so far | 10:02 |
| luke-jr | yigal: I suspect it has some connection to my usage patterns | 10:02 |
| luke-jr | like only for incoming calls maybe | 10:03 |
| yigal | luke-jr: there should be a general kill switch for automatic rotate, but where is it | 10:04 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: still running maemo on your n900? :) | 10:05 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: working on my Gentoo install now ;) | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: left 15 GB unpartitioned for MeeGo even | 10:06 |
| Termana | feeling generous I see | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | heh | 10:07 |
| yigal | meego seems so ehh http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots | 10:08 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, what WM/DE do you use on your Gentoo installs? (n8x0 and whatever your going to use for the n900) | 10:10 |
| luke-jr | Termana: KDE | 10:11 |
| Termana | luke-jr, isn't that quite possibly a chunky monkey for everyday use? :P | 10:11 |
| Termana | yigal, you don't like the UI? | 10:11 |
| luke-jr | Termana: indeed, but I haven't found anything comparable | 10:11 |
| luke-jr | and don't have time to write my own DE :P | 10:12 |
| yigal | Termana: I'ts too phone centric, I bought this device as a tablet/phone | 10:14 |
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| yigal | I'll see how it behaves, when it's ready to behave | 10:16 |
| Macor | lol | 10:16 |
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| Macor | yeah yet another comcast business class downage. glad i pay all that extra money | 10:16 |
| Macor | this time they said it was scheduled maintenance | 10:17 |
| Macor | so i was asking the tech support guy who i call about cancelling my lease and how much it costs | 10:17 |
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| Macor | and if this is thr type of service i can expect then i will just get verizon fios | 10:18 |
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| Macor | tomorrow i will call billing and ask them for a refund for this month | 10:18 |
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| yigal | I have verizon fios I'm happy | 10:19 |
| yigal | just phone & internet | 10:19 |
| Macor | or just not pay them for the month and say you did not provide the service i was paying for so i cant justify paying you | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | I have a redundant array of shitty internet pipes | 10:19 |
| yigal | ShadowJK: I'm envious | 10:19 |
| ShadowJK | my sheevaplug switches between them automagically as they go down and up | 10:19 |
| Macor | ShadowJK: i wish i did. it might be nice to have 2 | 10:19 |
| Macor | ShadowJK: thats awesome | 10:20 |
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| ShadowJK | getting fibre this summer though, if the coop doesn't run out of money first | 10:20 |
| Macor | comcast has gone on 6 hour outages in the past week alone | 10:20 |
| RST38h | Moo all. | 10:20 |
| Termana | hey RST38h | 10:20 |
| Macor | they are absolutely horrible as far as a business line goes | 10:21 |
| Macor | i can expect that sort of crap from an undervalued res line | 10:21 |
| Macor | but not a leased business line | 10:21 |
| ShadowJK | My least crappiest connection is wimax. The ISP is only half-aware they actually have wimax :) | 10:21 |
| Macor | hahaha | 10:21 |
| Macor | thats a good thing | 10:22 |
| Macor | then they just leave it alone | 10:22 |
| Macor | instead of brainstorming idiot ides on how to make it better by making it worse | 10:22 |
| Macor | ideas | 10:22 |
| Macor | at least i have my n900 | 10:23 |
| Macor | glad i bought it this week | 10:23 |
| ShadowJK | Nah, because the backhaul is a series of wireless microwave ethernet links that like to go down, and apparently need some poking from operators to re-establish through some less crashy command channels over their cellular network | 10:23 |
| ShadowJK | and for some reason they run pppoe on wimax but not on their adsl | 10:25 |
| ShadowJK | the pppoe server has on more than one occasion went missing on friday afternoon, to return on monday at noon :) | 10:26 |
| Macor | hahaha | 10:26 |
| ShadowJK | but overall it's more reliable than cellular, and latency is awesome compared to hsdpa/hsupa too | 10:26 |
| Luisa | Can I connect the Internet Key with a cable USB OTG? | 10:27 |
| Macor | oh im sure | 10:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Luisa: no otg | 10:27 |
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| Luisa | S hx | 10:27 |
| Drog | come pureownage 27 place in extreme the best server have terato dragon lvl 137 max 5095 new item lvl 137 1 vs 1 map death match all fixde | 10:27 |
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| Luisa | ShadowJK, thx | 10:27 |
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| Luisa | how I can connect this key internet? | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | Is that some new designer drug you're talking about? | 10:28 |
| Drog | http://www.xtremetop100.com/in.php?site=1132300325 vote please | 10:28 |
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| Macor | uhm | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | If by "key internet" you mean a USB 3g modem, then you can't | 10:28 |
| ShadowJK | if it's something else then explain | 10:29 |
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| Macor | terato dragon? :) | 10:29 |
| Luisa | II do not want to insert and remove the sim every time I want to surf :( | 10:29 |
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| ShadowJK | There are routers with wlan and usb ports that can share internet connectivity from usb 3g modems | 10:30 |
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| Luisa | i search on google | 10:31 |
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| Luisa | i hope to find link | 10:32 |
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| shorter | okay reflashed | 10:33 |
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| shorter | why does it say 1.7/2 gigs used 170megs left for /home | 10:33 |
| shorter | should be 3gigs left...... | 10:33 |
| Luisa | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/286332328/3G_Wireless_Router_with_WLAN_and.html | 10:33 |
| Luisa | is this? | 10:33 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.a-link.com/uk/WNAP.html?id=uGndZjQq for example | 10:34 |
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| Luisa | ShadowJK, thx to all | 10:34 |
| shorter | it seems like flashing didn't delete my apps, but just links to them? | 10:34 |
| shorter | but restoring them re-downloads them for some reason | 10:34 |
| ShadowJK | Be sure to check out the specs first, to see if your modem is supported. | 10:35 |
| ShadowJK | shorter: sounds like you only flashed rootfs | 10:35 |
| shorter | I don't know | 10:36 |
| shorter | I used the regular methodology | 10:36 |
| shorter | sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R | 10:36 |
| ShadowJK | There are two images. One is the rootfs image, the other is the emmc image. | 10:36 |
| shorter | i was told never to do emmc | 10:36 |
| ShadowJK | because it erases all your files and settings | 10:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Also when flashing emmc you need to flash both images, without rebooting phone in between, so no -R option | 10:37 |
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| shorter | okay, but someone said emmc has a chance to damage my phone | 10:38 |
| shorter | and that flashing emmc should be avoided | 10:38 |
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| ShadowJK | I hvant heard that one myself | 10:38 |
| shorter | okay, so there is no danger in doing emmc? | 10:38 |
| ShadowJK | s/hvant/haven't/ | 10:38 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: I haven't heard that one myself | 10:38 |
| BCMM | stupid question: there isn't a way to input magic sysrq keys on the n900 keyboard is there? | 10:38 |
| Luisa | I have another question: I have the usb cable N900, when I connect to xp, tells me error that no drives fond, with or without telepone connected | 10:38 |
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| BCMM | i've just managed to get my first total lockup by accidentally clicking a 5000x7000 jpeg in firefox | 10:40 |
| ShadowJK | so on first boot of a newly flashed rootfs, stuff gets moved from rootfs to emmc. If you then flash emmc, those files will be erased, and the phone will probably not work correctly if you were to reboot at that point | 10:40 |
| Luisa | is the cable damaged? Or must I download the drive for cable? | 10:41 |
| shorter | ShadowJK: | 10:41 |
| ShadowJK | It sounds like the cable is damaged | 10:41 |
| shorter | so what are you saying to do? | 10:41 |
| BCMM | it's amazing that net connections have got fast enough to push a device into swap befor one can react | 10:41 |
| shorter | sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f ........then flash with emmc image | 10:41 |
| ShadowJK | shorter: Don't use the reboot option with flasher-3.5, and flash both images | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | (that's what I'm saying) | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | Got a reference to people saying emmc flash can damage? | 10:42 |
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| ShadowJK | bcmm: I think I'd try holding powerbutton in.. maybe press it once first.. | 10:43 |
| ShadowJK | iirc holding it might be magic, not sure | 10:43 |
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| shorter | how do you switch between 3g and gsm without that applet | 10:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: click poerbutton once - eventually menu will come up, click "stop running task" | 10:46 |
| mikki-kun | hm, can somebody tell me how the numbers for the different voltages (to be exact 'dsp') are calculated? wouldn't want to fry my cpu or such... | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: or hold power long might shut down device | 10:46 |
| BCMM | ShadowJK: eventually i found that single pressing power got me to the end current task button - i guess part of the problem was fx doing its own decorations | 10:46 |
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| BCMM | i still wish i could just trigger oom_kill with sysrq magic | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: if you don't want to dry your CPU, then why on earth would you have to cope with such settings? | 10:48 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: to save power??? | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: aaah, you invented a whole new method that none of the many TI and Nokia EE thought about. Did you patent it? | 10:49 |
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| mikki-kun | you know, if you have a problem with people OCing that's fine, but keep that then to you instead of trying being a smartass -_- | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh noes - now you come with OC... That's unfair | 10:51 |
| ShadowJK | shorter: without the applet: settings - phone | 10:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: check TI website for documents like SPRUF98D/E/F etc. Why ask here in IRC, do you really think the answers here are more accurate than those in the genuine TI docs | 11:02 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you seen the thing? | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the thing? no, sounds like s shocker video | 11:03 |
| chem|st | *yawn* | 11:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: code-reset in extras-deve | 11:03 |
| jacekowski | l | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-D | 11:03 |
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| jacekowski | but i know how to attack nolo | 11:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer highfives jacekowski | 11:04 | |
| jacekowski | and unlock phone that's locked | 11:04 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: have you got manufacturer details on the vibra? | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | and switched off and configured for autolock | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: alas not, as I don't know the BOM of Nokia, so I have no idea what part/manuf that critter is | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and code itself can be cracked in less than 30 minutes on my server | 11:05 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I was searching through all disected pictures but they removed the branding | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 11:05 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so i have PoC of attack that requires less than hour and nobody would notice that anything have happened | 11:06 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: nolo? | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | nokia loader | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I didn't remove anything except N900-SER# | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | what are you hacking, out of curiousity? | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: lock code | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | uhm | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:06 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: i can unlock switched off phone | 11:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I mean in general, not your pictures | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | why bother, libcal is in SDK and you can boot a initrd and a kernel over nfs to unlock.. | 11:07 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: you mean the software loader or what? | 11:07 |
| jacekowski | chem|st: bootloader | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: now THATs a nice day for hackerism | 11:07 |
| chem|st | ah from usb-plugged in device | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | unlocking the 'lock code' isn't exactly magic :) | 11:07 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: have you tried it? | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: bah, you partypooper :-P | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: yes, back in the days we used to do it with initfs and qwerty12's tool | 11:08 |
| jacekowski | let me just check | 11:08 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: well, i know how it's stored | 11:09 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: and how to change it to any value | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, and? :P | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's in the CAL area | 11:09 |
| jacekowski | die | 11:09 |
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| jacekowski | well, do you know how it's encrypted? | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: we already had to send askers here to Nokia care center | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, cos in most cases the devices are stolen instead.. :P | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 11:10 |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808 | 11:11 |
| chem|st | we were talking about the lack of security of "lock-code" lately | 11:11 |
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| jacekowski | ehhhh | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | besides, if device is configured to autolock | 11:11 |
| shorter | about to do the follow: sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f ...... then ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R - just double checking | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | nolo shouldn't allow flashing | 11:11 |
| jacekowski | or doing anything | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: ok | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure the harmattan device would have a kill switch in that regard :P | 11:12 |
| Corsac | for which value of “harmattan device” ? :) | 11:12 |
| asj_ | shorter: go for it | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: gruntmaster 3000 obviously | 11:13 |
| shorter | de i disconnect between those two? | 11:13 |
| shorter | do* | 11:13 |
| asj_ | shorter: no | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: no!! | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: also I'd recommend to first flash VANILLA_EMMC without -R, *then* the COMBINED | 11:14 |
| shorter | ? | 11:15 |
| shorter | i dont understand | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | as with this sequence the impact of an accidental boot in between is minimized | 11:15 |
| shorter | I just started the vanilla flash | 11:15 |
| shorter | without r | 11:15 |
| asj_ | shorter: -R is reboot | 11:15 |
| shorter | yeah, it says you don't want R | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a simple rule: NEVER use -R | 11:15 |
| shorter | even with emmc? | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, you just need to reboot manually then | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | means unplug, maybe press powerbutton | 11:16 |
| shorter | scary time | 11:17 |
| asj_ | not really | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | abah, nothing bad can happen (if your battery is charged XP) | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flashing is real fun, you'll love it once you get used to it :-D | 11:18 |
| FireStorm| | frals? | 11:18 |
| shorter | it said successful | 11:19 |
| shorter | so i unplugged | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 11:19 |
| shorter | and it is stuck on those dots | 11:19 |
| shorter | and not starting | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 11:19 |
| asj_ | shorter: dohnuts is good | 11:19 |
| asj_ | be patient | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: is there nolo source code available somewhere? | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 11:19 |
| shorter | it is a dim screen with those 5 dots | 11:19 |
| shorter | no movement | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO is BLOB | 11:19 |
| shorter | power button isn't working | 11:20 |
| asj_ | well it's avaiable...just not to the public | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: you flashed BOTH images? | 11:20 |
| shorter | yes | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so give it time to copy | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | can take some minutes | 11:20 |
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| asj_ | shorter: stop pressing the damn power button and just let it boot | 11:20 |
| shorter | thought it copied during the flash | 11:20 |
| shorter | k | 11:20 |
| shorter | didnt know it copies after disconnecting | 11:21 |
| ShadowJK | stuff gets moved during first boot | 11:21 |
| shorter | okay | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and going back to jrbme - what do you need to make it work? | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the reason for the "no -R!" | 11:21 |
| shorter | i didn't use -R either time | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: the right mood | 11:21 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, spare time | 11:21 |
| shorter | for vanilla or emmc | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nothing else | 11:21 |
| ShadowJK | make me some time plz :) | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: jrbme all is there, except friggin hal-addon-bme specs | 11:22 |
| ShadowJK | well, hald-addon-bme should be easy | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but jrbme basic version is existing in several different flavours yet | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | hmm ok | 11:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: probably, but a nuissance | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what about communication with dsme? | 11:23 |
| shorter | how long does this take with no sign of movement? | 11:23 |
| ShadowJK | since Mer has/had hald-addon-bme replacement | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not needed | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | that is true, we do have a replacement | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I know | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | looked nto it | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, dsme is handling thermal shutdowns and that sort of stuff | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes, but obviously it doesn't do a good job, as we seen somebody frying his cell on running mencoder on a OC'd device | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | how about asking on mailing list (in 3 weeks time) for exact requirements for charging on N900? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | like, what would be needed and what would have to be QA'ed | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so jrbme is just as good as that, it simply doesn't try to do anything - bme maybe tries and fails | 11:25 |
| shorter | okay, uh, is it really supposed to take 5 minutes to boot? | 11:25 |
| shorter | with no sign of progress? | 11:25 |
| ShadowJK | it didn't take that long for me atleast :/ | 11:25 |
| shorter | something is wrong | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 11:25 |
| shorter | right after "Image(s) flashed successfully in 28.026 s (9132 kB/s)! " i disconnected | 11:25 |
| jacekowski | shorter: after flashing have you disconnected it? | 11:25 |
| shorter | should i take out the battery? | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | shorter: and that's all? | 11:26 |
| shorter | yes | 11:26 |
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| shorter | yep | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | shorter: or you've pressed some buttons? | 11:26 |
| shorter | i tried to push the power button a bunch | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | that would explain it | 11:26 |
| shorter | someone told me to | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | it's probably switched off | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | you might have to flash it again | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | take the battery out and put it back in | 11:27 |
| jacekowski | and then try to start it | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: I repeat my recommendation: *first* flash VANILLA_EMMC without -R, do not unplug, then flash COMBINED (without -R if you want to make sure), then unplug, reboot and wait _without_ pressing any key | 11:27 |
| shorter | "(03:18:28 AM) DocScrutinizer: means unplug, maybe press powerbutton" | 11:27 |
| jacekowski | if it doesn't work | 11:27 |
| jacekowski | flash it again | 11:27 |
| shorter | what is "combined"? | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/how_not_to_use_your_audi_r8.jpg | 11:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shorter: I didn't say "press powerbutton when it's already booting" | 11:28 |
| jacekowski | shorter: fiasco image | 11:28 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: How else would you transport your 60" plasma ;) | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: erhm you wouldn't? | 11:28 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: dsme watchdog? | 11:29 |
| shorter | oh, i flashed COMBINED first | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'm not too much concerned about dsme watchdog | 11:29 |
| jacekowski | you're planning to ignore dsme completly? | 11:29 |
| shorter | so you're saying to do emmc first even though the guide says not to? | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: It doesn't matter which sequence you flash, as long as you do not boot in between | 11:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think upstart is responible for keeping bme alive | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: if however you accidentally boot then it's better to first flash EMMC | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: might be dsmetool | 11:30 |
| shorter | okay im doing emmc, not rebooting, then combined | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for sure in a upstart script | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: good | 11:31 |
| shorter | emmc = vanilla right? | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | well, bme is registering a watchdog | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | with dsme | 11:31 |
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| jacekowski | but it's not registered with reboot policy | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | just reset | 11:31 |
| ShadowJK | isn't it better to flash rootfs first, since then if he accidentally boots. it'll just overwrite stuff in emmc, whereas if he flasges emmc first, data needed will be missing? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's why you can't SIGSTOP it | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | restart* | 11:31 |
| jacekowski | so if you sigstop it | 11:32 |
| jacekowski | dsme restarts bme | 11:32 |
| jacekowski | which is detected by upstart | 11:32 |
| jacekowski | and upstart tells dsme to reboot | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | hm, why does "stop bme" work? bme unregisters watch with dsme? | 11:32 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:32 |
| jacekowski | take a look at the script | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: first-boot of last flashed rootfs will 'cure' things | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, but data needed is no longer on rootfs, and flash just wiped emmc? | 11:33 |
| shorter | just did emmc | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing emmc over a system with /opt copied will destroy /opt | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: and it's all there | 11:33 |
| shorter | now when i do sudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f | 11:33 |
| shorter | - it ends right away | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: all dsme would do to bme is kill it and restart | 11:33 |
| shorter | Using flashing protocol Mk II. is the last thing it says DocScrutinizer | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | you need -R too | 11:34 |
| shorter | i see those faint dots again | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: duh - why? | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: so you don't have to worry about dsme watchdog | 11:34 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: that, or -b | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it's upstart script that has onstop trigger | 11:34 |
| * ShadowJK stopped bme 5 hour ago and is charging without it :) | 11:35 | |
| shorter | shnaps, i just did it with R... seems to be booting or something | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: so let it boot | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't shock it XP | 11:36 |
| shorter | k, well now it obviously is | 11:36 |
| shorter | never seem them dots move that fast | 11:36 |
| shorter | lol | 11:36 |
| shorter | booted fantastic | 11:36 |
| ShadowJK | and free space? | 11:37 |
| shorter | checking | 11:37 |
| shorter | yeah! | 11:38 |
| shorter | 1.8g available on /home/opt | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's not spectacular | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | df -h / is the one | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df -h / | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 133.7M 90.0M 60% / | 11:41 |
| shorter | 55% | 11:41 |
| shorter | is that how it should be? | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 11:41 |
| shorter | 122M | 11:41 |
| shorter | okay, and MyDocs at 26G | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I installed quite some apps on that device, so root filled up a little | 11:42 |
| shorter | now I'm thinking twice about restoring all of my apps from backup | 11:42 |
| shorter | because there were like 100 | 11:42 |
| shorter | and the phone seems a lot faster now | 11:42 |
| shorter | but I'd like them all | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't cause any problems now on PR1.2 | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if all those apps are correctly optified | 11:43 |
| shorter | okay, I'm guessing it caused probably last time i restored because I didnt know to do the emmc after doing the combined | 11:43 |
| shorter | okay, will restore | 11:43 |
| shorter | yeah, what happened last time is /home filled up | 11:43 |
| shorter | and i couldnt write anything no matter how much i deleted | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home filled up?? o.O | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's odd | 11:44 |
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| ShadowJK | sufficient amount of unclean reboots can do it | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe fs got corrupted | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 11:45 |
| shorter | okay, so you dont think restoring a backup would cause it again | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's ext3 afaik, so a fsck-ext3 should do | 11:46 |
| shorter | lol maybe i shouldve learned that a few hours ago | 11:46 |
| shorter | or weeks even | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | shorter: no, quite certainly won't cause any problems | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | It's pretty hard to unmount /home | 11:46 |
| shorter | awesome | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: true :-S | 11:46 |
| WormFood | well, I don't need 2 partitions to install to the internal flash memory card (SD), but it won't let me use any virtual memory....I suspect I need to make another partition for that, or do it from the command line. | 11:46 |
| ShadowJK | I ran fsck.ext3 once before /home was mounted. It royally fucked up the entire partition. | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | how that, ShadowJK ? | 11:47 |
| frals | hmm, are the conversations account plugin passwords saved in plain text somewhere? | 11:47 |
| WormFood | ShadowJK, I find that unlikely | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: evil hax0r! | 11:48 |
| WormFood | most likely, the partition was fucked before | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frals: gconffool, err..tool? | 11:48 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well consider that journaled fs, and filesystems in general, are designed with the assumption that data is written to disk in the order it is submitted, more or less, and if shit happens, you lose some unknown amount of 512-byte sectors out of the last few you submitted | 11:49 |
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| ShadowJK | WormFood, oh yes it was, but fsck made it even more fucked | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | does anybody know at what address is nolo loaded? | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | during boot | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps ^^^ ?? | 11:50 |
| ShadowJK | So when with flash you lose random 256k chunks and data gets written back in unpredictable order... | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Do you own a flashing jig? :) | 11:50 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: ive forgot my skype password and cba to restore it :< | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: i own a hot air rework station | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: but i just need to know offset at which is it loaded | 11:51 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Then don't even think about it ;) | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: ouch, skype | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: you're doomed | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | i mean address at which x-loader loads it | 11:51 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski: you're going to make kernel copy nolo to a safe place on boot? | 11:51 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: not found anything better for videocalling with my gf yet which works effortless on win/nix/maemo5 :) | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: nah, it's just that my offsets are messed up | 11:52 |
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| WormFood | frals, I know something that works with less effort.....don't have a girlfriend, so you don't need to use anything | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: granted. But skype is *crypted* proprietary crap. Nobody probably can tell you how it works and where it stores passwords | 11:53 |
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| frals | DocScrutinizer: good point that | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even jacekowski with his amazing RE skills XP | 11:53 |
| WormFood | in China, skype reports you to the government (no joke, just google it) | 11:53 |
| frals | on the topic of skype i recall reading someone made progress on cracking the encryption | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: everything can be reversed | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: if it runs - it can be unpacked | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: not cracking, so much as understanding it | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you know the blackhat papers on skype? | 11:54 |
| frals | ah, yes, that be it | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | s/,// | 11:54 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: frals: not cracking so much as understanding it | 11:54 |
| frals | hmpf, cant access slashdot from work net | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | besides, people reversed skype | 11:54 |
| WormFood | what is the difference between a light bulb and a pregnant woman? You can unscrew a light bulb. | 11:54 |
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| jacekowski | and i'm not interested in skype | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | i don't use it i don't care | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | rotfl | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ^^^ | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | Waiting for the kernel to magically appear | 11:56 |
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| jacekowski | Press any key to cancel | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | Yup, there it is. Stand by for some Linux pleasure. | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that was around the time when skype managed to totally screw ALSA integration, and I decided I cease to do beta tester tasks for them as they're not worth it | 11:58 |
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| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: same team gave http://sid.rstack.org/pres/0606_Recon_Skype_Botnet.pdf the same year | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: we have full working unpacked decrypted dump of skype | 12:01 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: thing is that it's huge and nobody cares | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: me the least | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 12:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no skype been started on any of my devices since ~4 years now | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that won't change any time soon I guess | 12:03 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why? | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype? pffffffrrrrrt | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | bad concept, and then hijacked by even worse big business | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | incredibly poor organization, poor coders, and generally overrated hyped crap | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | I wish I could use VOIP, but my BF can't get the video calling work on his clients | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | I hate Skype, it uses too much CPU | 12:09 |
| Myrtti | but alas, I have to use it to keep my sanity :-( | 12:09 |
| WormFood | Myrtti, uses too much cpu on Linux, or winblows? | 12:10 |
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| Myrtti | WormFood: linux, I've not run windows since 2004 | 12:10 |
| WormFood | I find skype is a cpu hog on winblows....always ran fine for me on Linux | 12:10 |
| Surfa | Myrtti, cpu likes to compute | 12:10 |
| WormFood | what really, really pissed me off with skype, is when they determine the system is running slow, they suggest you upgrade to a new *Intel* cpu.....oh yeah.....I wonder how they made that suggestion....perhaps because _Intel_ was paying them? | 12:11 |
| Myrtti | fpt | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | COMPUTE SKYPE = CRAP ** 2 | 12:12 |
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| Surfa | ietf voip doesn't offer me anything skype wouldn't :) | 12:12 |
| Surfa | pretty same for me which I use | 12:12 |
| WormFood | skype IS voip | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka MOVE CRAP * CRAP TO SKYPE | 12:13 |
| Surfa | WormFood, ietf voip | 12:13 |
| nidO | its probably more likely theyre lazy and just give the notice to joe clueless user, who vaguely understands that "intel" = "main bit in the box" and to whom "amd" and "cpu" means nothing. | 12:13 |
| Surfa | WormFood, not just voip | 12:13 |
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| WormFood | ok | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | or MULTIPLY CRAP BY CRAP GIVING SKYPE | 12:13 |
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| WormFood | if you go to skype.com in China, you get redirected to another site....and the version of skype from them spies on you....I really hate skype, but I have some friends that use it | 12:15 |
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| MiXu- | They should fix the protocol at least. | 12:15 |
| MiXu- | It's not very suitable for mobile devices | 12:15 |
| MiXu- | Too many wakeups | 12:16 |
| zash | XMPP Jingle über alles! | 12:16 |
| WormFood | skype isn't suitable for anything | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WormFood: wrong! skype is very suitable for driving sysops nuts | 12:16 |
| WormFood | a pirate walks into a bar....and the bartender says "there is a ships wheel in your pants", and the pirate says "arrrrr, its driving me nuts" | 12:17 |
| Surfa | skype as well transfers my speech to other end, suitable for talking to me | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | WormFood: and some insane dudes claim that's an advantage of skype | 12:18 |
| WormFood | WHAT? There is an advantage to skype? | 12:18 |
| Surfa | of skype | 12:18 |
| WormFood | I'd like to hear the logic in that one? what is the advantage? They own stock in skype? | 12:18 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, depends on the view, if you "just want to use it", it might be | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | WormFood: they can fight their companies' sysops' policies | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | as skype is hard to administrate on any corporate firewall | 12:20 |
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| WormFood | I found firewall rules to stop skype | 12:21 |
| WormFood | I forget where i found them, but I remember reading about it | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they claim "duh, what 'no VoIP!' - but that's _skype_ not VoIP" and think they get away with it | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: they simply CAN NOT fix the protocol, as it's a peer2peer protocol and implemented in every skype client same way | 12:25 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Then all the client need to change and drop backwards compatibility | 12:25 |
| MiXu- | *clients | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: they had to spawn a completely separate subbranch of skype service, that only talks to dedicated servers | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and call that skype-mobile | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's basically what you got with every simple SIP server then | 12:26 |
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| MiXu- | I have yet not seen a simple enough SIP solution. | 12:27 |
| MiXu- | At least on a mobile. | 12:27 |
| WormFood | I thought sip on my n800 was pretty damn easy | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 12:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my N810 and N900 just the same | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost TOO easy | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing a few advanced settings | 12:28 |
| MiXu- | The problem is that people don't understand the concept. You'd need a productized service for it. | 12:28 |
| ShadowJK | On symbian phones too.. My operator just sent SIP settings as sms, and phone automatically took settings from tha... | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: there are zillion | 12:28 |
| MiXu- | Skype is successful because it's easy to understand. | 12:28 |
| ShadowJK | that* | 12:28 |
| pupnik | the 'new updates available' should show the application available without starting app manager | 12:28 |
| WormFood | skype is a pain in the ass to get configured sometimes | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: that's nonsense | 12:28 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Yes. And if I use one service and my friend uses another one, we may or may not be able to call each other. | 12:28 |
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| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Then tell me, what's the reason for skype's success? :) | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: that's also nonsense | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: it's been free as in beer from the the beginning, while SIP services always were a replacement for landline, and had similar tariff models | 12:30 |
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| MiXu- | I'm sure there are free sip services as well | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | ekiga | 12:31 |
| Myrtti | sipgate | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: here in Germany I guess more people are using SIP than POTS right now, just they don't even realize | 12:31 |
| MiXu- | People don't care about the protocol. | 12:31 |
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| MiXu- | They just want something that works. And the "network effect" has to be there as well. | 12:32 |
| Surfa | there is only one thing wrong with engineers. they think that people care about technology | 12:32 |
| MiXu- | Surfa: Exactly | 12:32 |
| Myrtti | +++++ | 12:32 |
| MiXu- | People could not care less about what's behind the UI as long as it's not killing kittens or something. | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, that's addressed to whom exactly now? | 12:32 |
| Surfa | no one really cares if it skype or sip or rtp or tcp or sctp or whatever as long as speech works | 12:33 |
| MiXu- | Surfa: Yes, and that applies to most "tech stuff" | 12:33 |
| Surfa | gizmo5 was free of charge ietf voip service, it was acquired by google "lately" | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: nah, they just start whining when "oooohnoes my battery only lasts 3h" | 12:33 |
| Surfa | i think it still is.. but can't be sure, I have very old account | 12:34 |
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| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: Yes. So it's the engineer's job to make the battery last. | 12:34 |
| Surfa | by selecting proper technologies :) | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: fsckit | 12:34 |
| MiXu- | no one cares how, as long as it doesn't ruin their day. | 12:34 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: You're obviously too deep in the engineer-mindset :) | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: don't tell ME I should make skype a sane technology!! | 12:35 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: I'm not telling you should do anything. :) | 12:35 |
| MiXu- | Just having a conversation | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: you're not reational | 12:35 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: About the protocol change? | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: either insist in using Skype and live with the consequences, or admit engineers have a reason to favour some technical detail over another | 12:36 |
| Myrtti | either or? | 12:37 |
| Myrtti | how about both | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but do not argue with me abot why skype is such a bright thing | 12:37 |
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| ShadowJK | He's not using or not using skype or sip | 12:37 |
| MiXu- | DocScrutinizer: I'm not trying to say skype is great. From tech point of view it's not. They just got the product right. | 12:37 |
| MiXu- | Like Apple in many cases. | 12:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer away to have another coffee and a more relaxed morning that exactly talking about skype bullshit | 12:37 | |
| Appiah | apple? skype? oh my | 12:38 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you seen that /sbin/bootsomething script | 12:39 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and references to booting from usb | 12:39 |
| MiXu- | Appiah: What's wrong with that? | 12:39 |
| Appiah | wrong? na nothing is wrong with that | 12:40 |
| MiXu- | I was just wondering what that "oh my" meant :) | 12:41 |
| Appiah | it's just that everytime I see people talking about these things I suspect one or two trolls to show up | 12:41 |
| MiXu- | hehe | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: /sbin/preinit | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nice file, looked at it several times | 12:41 |
| Appiah | especially that n900lover/n900blahblah or whatever he switches his nick to | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohmy == OT | 12:42 |
| Appiah | OT as in off topic? | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:42 |
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| Appiah | am I being off topic for saying oh my? | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and also ack for the trolls :-D | 12:42 |
| Appiah | :) | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: nah | 12:42 |
| WormFood | this is weird...after installing my system to CF, it would reboot after a few minutes....now it has been running for 30 minutes with no problems. | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | CF? | 12:43 |
| WormFood | compact flash | 12:43 |
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| * timeless_mbp hasn't see a CF slot on n900s | 12:44 | |
| * nidO hasnt seen a CF slot on anything for years | 12:45 | |
| timeless_mbp | my audrey has one <http://audrey.wikia.com/wiki/Making_CF_Images> | 12:45 |
| WormFood | you think everyone here has an n900? | 12:45 |
| zash | haven't seend high end cameras then? | 12:45 |
| WormFood | I own an N800 | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | WormFood: i'd hope most people here would... | 12:45 |
| WormFood | nokia will NEVER get another penny out of me | 12:45 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't remember seeing a CF slot on the n800s either | 12:46 | |
| Appiah | WormFood why? | 12:46 |
| WormFood | not CF, I mean SD | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | oh… then why didn't you say so? :) | 12:46 |
| WormFood | Appiah, because I bought a Nokia N85, and it broke in less than a year (under warranty), and they refused to fix it (and it did not break because of anything I did) | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm well aware of what CF is… my Audrey which is sitting on the table next to me has one :) | 12:46 |
| alterego | Someone rated my app 5 stars and said: "Excellent ! Plus besoin de PC portable !" | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeehaaa, /me noticed it's Friday. So everything starts making sense now XP | 12:47 |
| alterego | I'm glad it was my app that did that. pahahaha | 12:47 |
| nidO | what was wrong and why'd they refuse the repair? | 12:48 |
| alterego | Still no donations thoug :D | 12:48 |
| nidO | which app? | 12:48 |
| Appiah | WormFood: could you prove it? | 12:48 |
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| Izzeh | soooo | 12:48 |
| Izzeh | who else things it gay the police set up speed traps right before the 80 sign | 12:49 |
| WormFood | prove what? | 12:49 |
| Izzeh | and get you doing 70 | 12:49 |
| Appiah | WormFood: that it's not your fault | 12:49 |
| WormFood | it is my word against theirs | 12:49 |
| WormFood | they can claim whatever they want | 12:49 |
| MiXu- | Well what was the problem then? | 12:49 |
| pupnik | i believe theirx | 12:49 |
| nidO | what was wrong with it, and why'd they refuse the repair? | 12:49 |
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| MiXu- | I mean how was it broken | 12:49 |
| alterego | nidO: cellent ! Plus besoin de PC portable ! | 12:49 |
| WormFood | screen goes all white, or funky colors (and gets hot) | 12:49 |
| alterego | Oh, wait. | 12:49 |
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| alterego | nidO: I meant http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/media-im-status-updater/ | 12:50 |
| nidO | ah | 12:50 |
| Appiah | Izzeh: drive carefully | 12:50 |
| WormFood | NOW, every nokia piece of equipment I own has problems. (even my N800) | 12:50 |
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| MiXu- | WormFood: What was their rationale for not fixing it then? | 12:50 |
| pupnik | n800 had some screen problems | 12:50 |
| WormFood | but I can't blame my N800 problems on Nokia tho...the backup battery died | 12:50 |
| nidO | fwiw, i've been using nokia phones for over 10 years and the only one i've ever had a problem with was my e90, which was a design flaw with the keyboard+screen and the repair centre sorted me in like an hour | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have a 6210 from year2000 which still works like a charm, with very first LiIon battery!! | 12:51 |
| WormFood | MiXu-, they claimed I got it wet/damp.....but it has never gotten wet while I've had it, outside of normal humidity wetness | 12:51 |
| alterego | I had an issue with the 8210 screen, design issue, fixed at a care centre in a day. | 12:51 |
| WormFood | I absolutely refuse to fix this....this is their problem, they need to pay to fix it, not me | 12:52 |
| MiXu- | WormFood: There's a moisture indicator inside the phone. If it goes red it's a pretty good sign that it has gotten wet at some point. | 12:52 |
| WormFood | they have lost me as a customer because of this shit....FUCK NOKIA! | 12:52 |
| alterego | And it was two years out of warranty | 12:52 |
| nidO | "normal humidity" as in "what you consider normal but is outside the operating humidity of the device"? | 12:52 |
| nidO | depending on where you are, its also worth noting that there's no benefit for the repair people to lie about it being out of warranty | 12:52 |
| MiXu- | If you run a marathon with a phone in your pocket, there's a change it'll be damaged from sweat. | 12:52 |
| pupnik | see, now there was no need to get upset. you broke your device | 12:53 |
| WormFood | MiXu-, they didn't show me any moisture indicator...they just showed me a tiny bit of green "corrosion" (not sure if that is really what it is), around the camera (and there was no problem with the camera) | 12:53 |
| nidO | certainly in most places the companies that carry out the warranty repairs dont get paid for not fixing devices | 12:53 |
| MiXu- | Hm | 12:53 |
| WormFood | it was in warranty. They could check the serial number and see it was in warranty | 12:53 |
| MiXu- | Try another service point :) | 12:53 |
| MiXu- | Maybe someone was just having a bad day :) | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:54 |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:54 |
| alterego | Go back on Monday, I hear Steve isn't working ... :D | 12:55 |
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| MiXu- | :D | 12:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | makes me wonder if it's about time today to give Nokia a chance to fix the power button they ruined | 12:56 |
| WormFood | I did try 2 service points | 12:57 |
| WormFood | how did they ruin it? | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | first step of operation: swap expired and active SIM of the two devices, and redo the GPS compare test | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | WormFood: device was sent in to Nokia for repair. Returned with power button borked | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WormFood: obviously they have catchers or similar hulks on their repair line XP | 12:59 |
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| jacekowski | ehh, that's just wrong | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | it looks like nolo is encrypted/compressed or something | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeew | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Signed? | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | signed allegedly | 13:05 |
| crashanddie | WormFood: take it easy mate | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but signing doesn't crypt | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | well, maybe compressed | 13:06 |
| * alterego starts to feel depressed. | 13:06 | |
| jacekowski | or i've got my offsets wrong | 13:06 |
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| jacekowski | but it doesnt't look like | 13:06 |
| alterego | I need a job :( But I really want to carry on developing for Maemo/MeeGo :( | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | i have a job | 13:07 |
| alterego | Show off. | 13:07 |
| ian_r1 | ping lcuk | 13:07 |
| nidO | im at my job right now :( | 13:07 |
| alterego | I want to make money, developing this software. But I'm not sure how likely it'll work out in the end. | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: there's only 4 offsets to get a reasonable code with one of them? | 13:08 |
| alterego | Mainly because I want to release my sw as FOSS, but the donation model will never work. | 13:09 |
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| alterego | I like the FOSS model because it allows you to have a higher amount of user input and a more frequent release cycle. If I go the Ovi route I miss all of that :/ | 13:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | _o/ | 13:10 |
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| alterego | That and I see my software as art and I never feel it's worth money :/ | 13:11 |
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| jacekowski | does 0x4078 mean anything to anybody? | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | in terms of size | 13:12 |
| zash | size of what | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | that's what i'm asking | 13:13 |
| zash | wait, hex? | 13:13 |
| alterego | jacekowski: 16504 | 13:13 |
| alterego | So within a 16 bit int | 13:14 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: do you have a context? | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 13:14 |
| alterego | Hah, where did you pull it from then? | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | nolo | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | size of a page? | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | RAM:8000001C LDR R5, =0x8041AB48 | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | RAM:80000020 LDR R6, =0x8041EBC0 | 13:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, 16k chunks | 13:15 |
| alterego | Erm, the boot loader code pads 16k chunks for first and second stage I think. | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ping? | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | Wazzzaaap | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | /query :) | 13:19 |
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| alterego | Heh, just realized flies sound like a mini vuvuzela .. | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | anybody with custom kernel | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | it would be very nice if i could get memory dump just after boot | 13:21 |
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| jacekowski | 0x8040023D - that address | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYqpuEqjmGE | 13:22 |
| alterego | Oh, that is sweet :D | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: wazzap? The 90s called, they want their slogan back. | 13:23 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Yeah, am listening to some old music, so it fits nicely :) | 13:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lost my headphone's bud yesterday grr | 13:24 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: hate that :( | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: place transducer into ear, then fill up with silicon | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, even worse is when you're in a f'd up place and can't get a replacement unless you buy an N900 | 13:25 |
| alterego | :/ | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Others fit too. | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, well you can't find others :P | 13:26 |
| X-Fade | Try some cheap chinese ones from ebay? | 13:26 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I just bought a cheap pear of "like" headphones and useed the spare rubber bits that came with it :) | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yeah. Why not just buy a 2$ headphone | 13:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i asked for a 505, apparently nokia in jordan don't sell it, cause... (ironically), you can get a chinese headset | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf is with them | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: or just use the complete headphone instead of the rather crappy original one | 13:27 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that too. I had a sweet pair of Sony headphones I was using for two years, kept losing the rubber in-ear bits and kept buy cheap crap ones to replace them, finally the headphones broke and I cried :( | 13:28 |
| alterego | Can't get those any more :( | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 13:28 |
| PhonicUK | hey all :) | 13:28 |
| Termana | Thats pretty sad | 13:29 |
| Termana | Not that you can't replace them and they broke | 13:29 |
| Termana | The fact you cried over it | 13:29 |
| Termana | :P | 13:29 |
| PhonicUK | Mupen64 + accelerometer = AWESOME :D | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: same here, though these were foldable headphones with a support over head (duh, my English sucks) | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, get an HD800 (see amazon.com) | 13:29 |
| PhonicUK | If only the touchscreen was used for some buttons, it would be perfect | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | how much did the N900 sell for in the EU | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | at launch | 13:31 |
| frals | 600e | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | 598EUR @ Nokia webshop iirc | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus shipping | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | launched @ €450 in jordan... | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe they don't have to pay 20% VAT | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure, but i'm kinda pissed that i bought it for $750 (shipping, customs, US device) | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you should have gotten used to that, during 30 years of IT. Err you're not that old, anyway | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | lmfao | 13:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: smoke another cigarette before entering the shop - it might get cheaper | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I don't smoke, never will | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so eat an icecream :-P | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | the price of a N900 probably will drop more than the icecream costs :-P | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's always just the question if you're willing to wait, or prefer to hold the device in your hands and don't think about how much the TCO | 13:36 |
| achipa | drop ? where's the drop ? I'm waiting for the price to drop to be able to use it some automation/robo stuff and yet, it's still 400-500 eur new, the only way to get it cheap is second-hand from the US | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: yep | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and honestly I'd be surprised to see it drop even further. I mean it was at 600EUR on rollout | 13:38 |
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| frals | 100-200e is still a drop! :p | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: and for automation/robotics maybe a Freerunner would serve your needs. Quite a bit less on pricetag, and even comes with USB hostmode ootb :-P | 13:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: also you get really decent schematics for OM Freerunner, plus it's been *designed* for such purposes | 13:41 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: I'm using it as an autoguider for the telescope - needs a good cam for that :) It's funny to see people bash the N900's cam whereas it can be used to guide telescopes across the night sky | 13:41 |
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| MohammadAG51 | <DocScrutinizer> it's always just the question if you're willing to wait, or prefer to hold the device in your hands and don't think about how much the TCO | 13:42 |
| achipa | but yes, it you don't need a cam or cortex level horsepower, a freerunner is a good choice, too | 13:42 |
| lcuk | achipa, did you blog about this? | 13:42 |
| chem|st | frals: skype-video works effortless on win/nix/maemo for you? I have a video button when calling linux but no video shown at the other end and no video button for calling win | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | it was released one week after i got mine, first week of january, i got mine on the 28th of december | 13:42 |
| achipa | lcuk: I don't think so, had a few posts on talk and that's it | 13:42 |
| lcuk | get some photos together, sounds like a decent project - are you talking to the motion hardware | 13:43 |
| lcuk | or just using it as guide | 13:43 |
| frals | chem|st: linux desktop client seems borked now when i was about to use it, but it works fine on device and my windows machine at least ;( | 13:43 |
| lcuk | \o frals | 13:43 |
| chem|st | whats the win-version? | 13:43 |
| frals | o/ lcuk | 13:43 |
| frals | 7 | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: you should talk to SpeedEvil - seems he's interested in quite similar topics | 13:44 |
| achipa | lcuk: using BT2serial to talk to the mount | 13:44 |
| chem|st | \æ/ | 13:44 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: thx for the pointer | 13:44 |
| Scelt | https://twitter.com/jonoberheide/status/18009527979 | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~windows | 13:44 |
| infobot | somebody said windows was either a 64bit hack on the 32 bit hack or just a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs, or bloatware, or an operating system | 13:44 |
| lcuk | achipa, nifty - you should bug DocScrutinizer and the guys about host mode to simplify that | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 13:45 |
| achipa | lcuk: and then just cancelling out motion by detecting image motion through timed shots via gstreamer... | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | achipa, nice | 13:45 |
| lcuk | please though | 13:45 |
| lcuk | do not connect this to a mount with legs | 13:45 |
| lcuk | we have too many robot killing machines rampaging the world | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: no benefit in bugging me. I'm just in a stall state atm, as there's no helping hand on kernel development | 13:46 |
| achipa | lcuk: yeah, host usb would make things a lot simpler - the biggest issue is lag... until I get through BT/serial I accumulate a lot of lag so it's easy to create a constant sinusoidal movement error | 13:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, then ask some kernel hackers to help | 13:47 |
| lcuk | "battlefield weapons test #46: lag still causing turret to roll 4 degrees right, adjusting" | 13:47 |
| achipa | lcuk: don't worry, it's a 30 pound steel tripod... :) but it if it COULD move, it would have major kicking power :) | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I constantly do. And the result is somewhat .... :-S | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ask the nitdroid guys, they have about 3 hackers | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: USB kernel drivers are the badlands of kernel. Nobody but the most brave dare to go there | 13:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, how about now ^ | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | wlan is just about as bad | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ask werner aka wpwrak | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | (werner almesberger) | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or paulfertser | 13:49 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: I'd help but my kernel skills end at packaging random modules for people :( | 13:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: yes, we'd need somebody who feels competent to write a USB driver from scratch | 13:51 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, you need someone who is competent enough to write a USB driver from scratch | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | someone who feels competent enough to say so is dangerous. | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: that person had the right background to fix the musb_core.c mess | 13:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: exactly :-D | 13:53 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: that being said, I'm awesome enough to re-write the whole Linux kernel in C++ in about 2 weekend | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | +s | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | and maybe even some python modules just for the w00t | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: fine. You're hied | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hired | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | s/h/f/g | 13:54 |
| infobot | MohammadAG51 meant: DocScrutinizer, fow about now ^ | 13:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 13:54 | |
| MohammadAG51 | oops | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | and obviously, because my people love me so much, I'll even add a small perl interpreter, in the Newux core. | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | man, I could really use a job | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeek, sounds like.... dunno xdroid? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: me too | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or just somebody to throw bundles of money at me | 13:56 |
| achipa | heh, just checked on the N900 price on computeruniverse and it has a 'HOT' moniker. Go figure. | 13:56 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: I can do that. But I will collect them afterwards, with interest :) | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, remind me when defcon and BH are? | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: this month | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | July 28th | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | bah | 13:58 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: ? | 14:13 |
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| crashanddie | I've been asking him for the past month to use a pronouncable nickname, something that doesn't look like a spambot or a troll trying to disrupt the channel, but for some reason he always changes it back. I warned him last time (earlier this week) that I would ban the nickname as a whole if he didn't use something not necessarily shorter | 14:15 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, he might be from iceland | 14:16 |
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| crashanddie | err, "not necessarily shorter but at least something that doesn't remind everyone of a volcano" | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: though, it's a far cry from eyjafjallajokull | 14:17 |
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| alterego | Sweet, just optimized my animation code from 89% CPU usage down to 10% :) | 14:39 |
| Termana | Big Brother Apple is at it again: http://www.slashgear.com/ndrive-gps-app-disappears-from-apple-app-store-kill-switch-the-culprit-0893419/ | 14:40 |
| pupnik | nice alterego | 14:40 |
| pupnik | how | 14:40 |
| alterego | pupnik: well, I was redrawing the whole graphic every frame, I Was also calculating some movement stuff per frame, rather than at the beginning of the "transition" | 14:41 |
| pupnik | mhm | 14:41 |
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| alterego | I got 50% optimization from moving some calculations out of each frame, and a further 30% by rendering to a pixmap when the graphic changes and blitting to the widget with just rotation. | 14:42 |
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| alterego | Small decrease in visual quality, but well worth it for CPU usuage, I do want to use this whilst I'm out and about :) | 14:42 |
| PhonicUK | anyone know a RTS for the N900? | 14:43 |
| nidO | bos wars | 14:43 |
| alterego | pupnik: I added smooth transitions to the widgets on the left: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100706-185818.png | 14:43 |
| nidO | dune 2 | 14:43 |
| alterego | dune 2 is the tits, shame I can't enter any numbers .. | 14:43 |
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| nidO | ? | 14:43 |
| alterego | To answer the security questions .. | 14:43 |
| nidO | hm, i never had problems with that | 14:44 |
| nidO | try again and hope for an answer that needs a word? :p | 14:44 |
| alterego | So your Fn key works? | 14:44 |
| nidO | (i think most do) | 14:44 |
| Termana | PhonicUK, http://tinyurl.com/2825c7o | 14:44 |
| alterego | Oh | 14:44 |
| PhonicUK | Termana, oddly enough thats what I did first | 14:44 |
| alterego | I always get ones that seem to need a number ... | 14:44 |
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| pupnik | you can enter numbers in dosbox | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | back | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | i kind of have a problem | 14:45 |
| pupnik | load javispedro's N900 keymap in dos, then hold FN+Number | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | my N900 fell into a pit of water | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | and now it dosent on | 14:45 |
| nidO | did you pull the battery out when you fished it out, or just try to power it back up...? | 14:46 |
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| desu | hildon seems to replace my standard Ok|Cancel buttonbox with a buttonbox containing just "Done". however, accepted() isn't emitted when "done" is pressed, though rejected() is emitted when the blurred area is clicked. what do i need to connect my slot to for it to catch the signal Done emits? | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | i removed the battery and let it dry | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | and after an hour i put it back and it wont on now | 14:46 |
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| nidO | an hour? | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | ya | 14:46 |
| Termana | xDaReaperx, yes, its generally considered not a good idea to dump a device in water | 14:47 |
| Termana | xDaReaperx, also | 14:47 |
| nidO | you need to add an extra day or two to that drying time. | 14:47 |
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| pupnik | two | 14:47 |
| Termana | xDaReaperx, take the battery out, and dump the phone in rice for two days | 14:47 |
| pupnik | in a warm place | 14:47 |
| xDaReaperx | i didn't dump it in water , it slippedo ff my hand | 14:47 |
| desu | don't switch it on unless you're sure it's completely dry | 14:47 |
| xDaReaperx | 2 days ? omg o_O | 14:47 |
| desu | can cause permanent damage otherwise | 14:47 |
| xDaReaperx | it wont on ^ | 14:47 |
| xDaReaperx | oh | 14:48 |
| Termana | xDaReaperx, you might end up with a small piece of rice in the phone, but it shouldn't do too much damage and the rice will soak the water up | 14:48 |
| desu | ah.. | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | stop trying to turn it on. take the battery out... | 14:48 |
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| xDaReaperx | Okay i should place it in rice ? also the battery ? | 14:48 |
| desu | let it dry for a while, and then check when it's completely dry | 14:48 |
| Robot101 | you know water, conducting electricity? it's bad for business. | 14:48 |
| xDaReaperx | wont the rice cause scratches to occer on the screen | 14:48 |
| nidO | no, its rice, not sandpaper | 14:48 |
| desu | put it _in_ the device | 14:48 |
| xDaReaperx | okay i removed it now | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | anyone using the N900 as a GPS for a bike? | 14:49 |
| Termana | xDaReaperx, yes put the battery in rice as well. But leave it out of the device and the back cover off | 14:49 |
| Robot101 | dry it for ages | 14:49 |
| flux | crashanddie, I do, but only for recording | 14:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | okay i'll do that ... i didn't know it would be so serious | 14:49 |
| flux | and bike in my context is bicycle, perhaps you meant a motorcycle? | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | flux: yeah, did the same with the n810 | 14:49 |
| xDaReaperx | i hope it dries within a day , i dunno if it will | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | flux: barely used the n900 for that. Well, used to bicyle, now motorcycle | 14:49 |
| Robot101 | you can't tell - wait 2 days. | 14:50 |
| xDaReaperx | oh well i'll have to tell my company about this and get a replacement phone for 2 days then | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | if it's broken you just need to buy a new one - water damage isn't covered by anyone's warranty | 14:50 |
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| xDaReaperx | my company pays for the phones | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | just buy a new one then :P | 14:50 |
| nidO | it is covered by most of the insurance policies anyone with sense and a phone like the n900 has though. | 14:50 |
| Robot101 | I even had phone insurance and they wouldn't pay for water damage when I got rained on very hard... | 14:51 |
| xDaReaperx | oh , well let me try the rice thing first | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | :( | 14:51 |
| pupnik | that's like arson insurance | 14:51 |
| xDaReaperx | i dunno how well it will work | 14:51 |
| pupnik | from the homeowner | 14:51 |
| Corsac | put it in the microwave so it dries faster | 14:51 |
| xDaReaperx | i dont have any phone insurance | 14:51 |
| Corsac | no wait! | 14:51 |
| Robot101 | pupnik: arson insurance for cigars :) | 14:52 |
| nidO | im sure we all heard that story | 14:52 |
| xDaReaperx | brb | 14:52 |
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| pupnik | if you're paying for insurance that pays out for wilful damage (any kind), then you have to wilfully damage the device, or you lose in the transaction | 14:53 |
| nidO | I have been sorely tempted to "accidentally" drop a few of my phones in the past now, just to see what I get for em :p | 14:54 |
| pupnik | If you take care of the device then you will, a-priori, be paying for people who mistreat their devices | 14:54 |
| BugBlue | crashanddie: I do use my N900 as GPS for my bike | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Pull the battery, place in an oven at 70C for a day | 14:54 |
| pupnik | i did 50c | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Rice does not work. | 14:54 |
| xDaReaperx | back | 14:54 |
| flux | 70C sounds quite high :-o | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Consider what happens if you leave rice out in a dampish environment | 14:54 |
| flux | does the water get inside the battery anyway? | 14:54 |
| xDaReaperx | i actually placed it in rice already | 14:54 |
| xDaReaperx | in a small bucket | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it immediately swell? | 14:55 |
| xDaReaperx | it didn't swell its still the same | 14:55 |
| nidO | no, it swells over a period of a few hours/days, which is why you leave phones in rice for a day or two, not like 5 minutes. | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not - quite - useless - but elevated temperature and - ideally - dissasembly is a lot better | 14:55 |
| SpeedEvil | a day or two at ambient temperature is not enough to remove deeply entrained water - especialy under chips | 14:56 |
| pupnik | nidO: rice isn't going to make trapped water (in electronics) evaporate | 14:56 |
| xDaReaperx | well i don't have any idea about disassembling the N900 | 14:56 |
| nidO | no-one's ever said it will, but it provides a very very dry environment for the device which *does* aid evaporation | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | Anyone up for properly packaging zip and submitting it to extras-devel? :) | 14:57 |
| pupnik | yeah but that aid will not suffice for many things. then when power is applied *poof* | 14:57 |
| pupnik | is only unzip available X-Fade ? | 14:57 |
| X-Fade | pupnik: the one in extras-devel is an old diablo one and can't be promoted because of wrong section. | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: A somewhat dry environment - it's not much drier than ambient. | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | BugBlue: how did you attach it? Did you think of connecting the charger to the battery? | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, i'll do it, but wasn't it in -devel? | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: And evaporation at 20C is slow anyway | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: place on a warn place (like >40°C <70°C) and let dry for AT LEAST 5 days | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: wrong section. | 14:58 |
| nidO | well it is, thats why desiccants are called desiccants, and maintaining a dry environment is the whole point of them | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | place upright, so any water can come off the board | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: But it was an automatic import from diablo, so no active maintainer. | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 14:59 |
| pupnik | yes but dessicants won't help if there's no exposed surface area due to trapped water nidO | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'll port it, i need it for xarchiver | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | nidO: Dessicants work as a function of the absolute humidity, and the temperature^3 or so | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit a few times to a not too hard surface (like a towel) with the bottom small side, to make water come off board even quicker | 14:59 |
| xDaReaperx | DocScrutinizer: hmm i dunno if it is safe to place it in an oven | 15:00 |
| nidO | pupnik an n900 is no more watertight to trapping water as it is waterproof to preventing it getting into the device in the first place | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: no oven | 15:00 |
| pupnik | yeah but water creeps into fissures, and those fissures have tiny surface area. so you get a large volume to a small exposed air-surface | 15:00 |
| xDaReaperx | okay i'll try to do that also | 15:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Increasing the temperature from 20 to 70C _vastly_ increases the vapour pressure of water | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/watvap.html | 15:00 |
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| xDaReaperx | hmm i'll try to place it on the terrace its quiet hot out , around 41 C | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 70° is upper limit for device, but way too high for battery | 15:01 |
| pupnik | i love how some people here have good science backgrounds | 15:01 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: it's the internet, everyone's an engineer | 15:01 |
| pupnik | precisely because that is false, is why i mentioned that | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Going from 20 to 80C, the vapour pressure goes from 19 to 350 | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: see pupnik's comments. That's why it needs AT LEAST 5 days to dry | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Which means that it will dry over a dozen times faster | 15:02 |
| xDaReaperx | i've placed it on the terrace for now | 15:02 |
| xDaReaperx | okay i'll keep it for 5 days then and inform my company about it | 15:02 |
| marmoute | xDaReaperx: I wont place it a direct sun light (but a hot place is a good idead | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: don't forget to treat the battery as well :-D | 15:03 |
| pupnik | ty DocScrutinizer, I had no idea what the practical minimums were | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: long parmatic experience | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | no scientific numbers | 15:04 |
| BugBlue | crashanddie: I don't need to connect the charger, I have reserve batteries | 15:04 |
| pupnik | now what is the likelihood that the device is already fried after powering it on while damp? | 15:04 |
| xDaReaperx | its not in direct sun atm ... the terrace floor does get heated quick and i placed the phone inside the bucket filled with rice along with the battery | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pragmatic* | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: main issue is corrosion | 15:04 |
| xDaReaperx | it only tried to on it twice | 15:04 |
| xDaReaperx | after which i got in here and removed the battery | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | BugBlue: hmm, what bike? | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that will happen mostly no matter if you try switch on or not, as long as battery inserted | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: corrosion happens between components, and even inside the PCB, when it's damp. | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but it takes hours, or even days | 15:05 |
| crashanddie | BugBlue: how do you use the GPS, just to see the map and then drive as you would normally (using roadsigns), or turn-by-turn? | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | when unpowered, yes | 15:05 |
| BugBlue | crashanddie: depends... | 15:06 |
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| BugBlue | if I drive over long dikes in the dark I use the map to see upfront when I have a corner | 15:06 |
| BugBlue | crashanddie: than I can drive faster and safer | 15:07 |
| Termana | Stuff all the sciencey crap. | 15:07 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, I know someone that purposely wet their n900 and then used rice for 2 days and it worked fine. | 15:07 |
| BugBlue | crashanddie: my bike is a http://www.bestbike.nl/images/fietsen/Batavus%20Intermezzo%20Deluxe%20221.jpg | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: xDaReaperx: likelihood for main board to be damaged: very low if you took out battery after a few minutes. Likelihood for earpiece or main cam to have a severe humidity defect: moderate | 15:07 |
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| nidO | I'm sure most people saw the tekseven tests Termana :) | 15:07 |
| PhonicUK | hmm, its a shame opendune isn't fullscreen :\ | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: rice is nonsense | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | BugBlue: ik dacht meer aan een bromfiets dan een gewoone fiets ;) | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | So your saying the mainboard is surely damaged ? | 15:08 |
| pupnik | hmm, i'll try some more sunlight baking | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | i dunno how to find that out now | 15:08 |
| Termana | nidO, there isn't too many n900 videos on youtube, so I'm sure people have :P | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm doing that ^ | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: no, the mainboard most probably is fine | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | okay | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: Rice is not magic. It does not make humidity content zero. | 15:09 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I'm just saying, rice seems to have worked previously. | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: Drying is proportional to the difference in the vapour pressure inside and outside the wet object. | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: rice just didn't stop normal drying to work :-P | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: I.E. it did just nothing | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: At 20C, this is 19mmHg - maximum. In 30% humidity - you are at 12mmHg difference anyway. Adding rice if this drops humidity 10% to 20% - you are now at 14mmHg difference. | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If you heat it to 60C, you get 130mmHg difference, it dries a _lot_ faster. | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would rice drop % humidity below 30% ?? | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | i feel like a god | 15:12 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, the device turned on after being in the rice, where it wouldn't before. Or are you saying, the rice made no difference, the drying was natural? | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | i feel like a dog | 15:12 |
| Termana | Ah, I'll keep that in mind. Not that I intend to be dropping mine in water when I get it. Ordering on Monday/Tuesday (FINALLY!) | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | hmm, no | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | it's not working | 15:13 |
| Termana | jacekowski, not so god-like now are we? :P | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer is an actual paid electronics engineer who has worked on phones. (or has been in the past) | 15:13 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, I know what DocScrutinizer is/was :P | 15:14 |
| Termana | Did you see me arguing the point further? :P | 15:14 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: take a large amount of rice and throw it at the A/C controls until the A/C comes on... | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lbt: how would that ever happen? rice won't magically reduce % air humidity for all times, by infinitely eating amounts of water | 15:16 |
| * SpeedEvil should measure this. | 15:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | But - meh | 15:16 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, given unlimited rice... | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so - since rice usually isn't vacuum packed - it evidentally can't reduce average air humidity below 30% | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway a somewhat higher temperature beats rice and low air humidity percentage every time | 15:19 |
| lbt | http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf60056a008 | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and my experience regarding drying PCBA comes from several cases where I simply disassembled the device with the Coke inside, and gave it a thorough shower and a shot with pressurized air after that - then dry it on the heating for several days and usually that will recover wrom Coke, coffee and whatnot, as long as user removed battery *immediately* | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/wrom/from | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | admittedly backup batteries are a PITA here | 15:23 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: so you are saying that the voltages can fry stuff | 15:23 |
| pupnik | e.g. someone got water on the n900 and kept using it | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: water + electricity = electrolysis | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no matter if you remove main battery immediately, start to dry the device as soon and as fast as possible | 15:24 |
| pupnik | i wonder if nokia wants their borken n900 back | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: you get rapid and accellerated corrosion between the components, and trakcs. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: see SpeedEvil ^^^ | 15:24 |
| pupnik | ah ok ty | 15:24 |
| pupnik | stupid question: can't we just paint boards etc with a coat of lacquer? | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: after 2 days the wired components fall off the PCB | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's often done | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: it makes the board harder to repair | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for circuits designed to operate in hostile environments | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: so it's not done as much as it would need to be to actually make it water resistant | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | like automotive | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: making a phone properly water resistant would be hard. | 15:26 |
| MiXu- | Some PC overclockers paint boards when using extreme cooling that causes condensed water on the components | 15:26 |
| RST38h | Military often dips them into gel and puts a metal casing on top | 15:26 |
| lcuk | pupnik, golden shellback | 15:26 |
| RST38h | At least, .RU military. Have not seen NATO stuff | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: same for automotive | 15:27 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i bought 5kg of nonconductive silicone grease for such experiments | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: for expensive devices like ignition controller | 15:27 |
| RST38h | pupnik: should also be heat-conductive or it won't work =) | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Doc: Makes sense | 15:27 |
| pupnik | RST38h: that's the funny question - it might be better than air - want to try filling a PSU with it | 15:28 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLFDT_I2Up4 | 15:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer also needs better cooling | 15:28 | |
| MiXu- | My bedroom needs better cooling | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | unbearable | 15:28 |
| * SpeedEvil solves that problem by being in scotland. | 15:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 15:29 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.07.09 1220 UTC; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.09 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Relative Humidity: 24%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (170 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) (direction variable) | 15:29 |
| frals | ~weather HEL | 15:29 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "HEL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:29 |
| frals | :( | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ~weather EDIN | 15:29 |
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| infobot | I can't find station code "EDIN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | feels like 48% humidity though | 15:29 |
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| frals | ~weather EFHE | 15:31 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "EFHE" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:31 |
| nidO | doesnt like you much | 15:31 |
| MiXu- | Hmm... Is that golden shellback for real? | 15:31 |
| frals | ops | 15:31 |
| frals | ~weather EFHF | 15:31 |
| infobot | Helsinki-Malmi, Finland; (EFHF) 60-15N 025-03E 28M; last updated: 2010.07.09 1220 UTC; Dew Point: 59 F (15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 50%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Cumulonimbus clouds observed; Wind: from the SW (220 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) (direction variable) | 15:31 |
| nidO | ~weather EGSH | 15:31 |
| infobot | Norwich Weather Centre, United Kingdom; (EGSH) 52-38N 001-18E 0M; last updated: 2010.07.09 1150 UTC; Dew Point: 44 F (7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 24%; Temperature: 84 F (29 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WSW (240 degrees) at 9 MPH (8 KT) (direction variable) | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | !weather EGPN | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ~weather EGPN | 15:32 |
| infobot | Dundee / Riverside, United Kingdom; (EGPN) 56-27N 003-01W; last updated: 2010.07.09 1220 UTC; Dew Point: 57 F (14 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 93%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: 5 mile(s); Weather: Light rain, drizzle; Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 8 MPH (7 KT) (direction variable) | 15:32 |
| nidO | lols 15 | 15:32 |
| MiXu- | That has got to be the most useless feature on a public channel :D | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?! 15°? | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | About right - though 20 miles northeast of me | 15:32 |
| nidO | good old scotland | 15:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/hour_by_hour.html | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | OTOH - cold is easily dealt with by more clothes | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | heat is not. | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - not strictly true) | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.veskimo.com/servlet/StoreFront | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | if you count those as clothes | 15:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer is off, for a shower, and then a Scotch on SpeedEvil salute | 15:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 15:35 |
| visz | i think, on a sunny day, i'd like to see a girl with less clothes than usually | 15:35 |
| visz | rather than dressed with that | 15:35 |
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| visz | mayby | 15:35 |
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| visz | maybe | 15:35 |
| nidO | personally, I find just switching on my air con works well :) | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | AC totally uncommon in Germany | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we got decent heating, for winter | 15:39 |
| nidO | its not that common in the uk either tbh, but my apartment's fitted with it \o/ | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in Spain they got nothing. Neither AC nor decent oven/heating nor even decent windows:-P | 15:40 |
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| kerio | lcuk: that video is awesome | 15:43 |
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| kerio | lcuk: how does it work for the battery, though? | 15:46 |
| lcuk | ask them, not me :p | 15:46 |
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| nidO | havent looked into it, but is it legit? I got as far as the 2008 video saying "its available soon" and the domain it gave going to some blog, and assumed it was dud | 15:47 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: racist much? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh?? | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | ~weather PGF | 15:49 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "PGF" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | damn | 15:49 |
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| pupnik | i really don't think web-sites are compatible with mobiles - their flash/javascript needs too much energy - in a physics sense | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | ~weather LFMP | 15:49 |
| infobot | Perpignan, France; (LFMP) 42-44N 002-52E 48M; last updated: 2010.07.09 1200 UTC; Dew Point: 69 F (21 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 65%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 82 F (28 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the E (080 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | Funny, my digital thermometre reads 32C | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably urban bonus | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Pff only 32? We have 37 here. | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | airports usually are a few degrees less | 15:52 |
| Corsac | ~weather LFPB | 15:52 |
| infobot | Paris / Le Bourget, France; (LFPB) 48-58N 002-27E 65M; last updated: 2010.07.09 1230 UTC; Dew Point: 60 F (16 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 38%; Temperature: 89 F (32 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT) | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: it's bad weather today | 15:52 |
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| crashanddie | ~weather | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | does ti actually give yesterday's weather? | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | two days ago was unbearable | 15:52 |
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| nadley | hi everyone | 15:53 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: ping? | 16:03 |
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| E0x | i get the morotola S9 headset | 16:07 |
| E0x | and are just great with my n900 | 16:07 |
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| E0x | all function tested so far get work | 16:08 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is it just me or missed called from hidden numbers are associated a posteriori to a wrong number? | 16:21 |
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| nadley | does anybody has a solution to sync IM data about contacts when I sync with funambole | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Corsac: can't reproduce any such problem on PR1.1.1 | 16:28 |
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| Corsac | I'm on PR1.2, yesterday I had a hidden number call, today in my call log I can see a missed call from one of my contact who did *not* call me :) | 16:30 |
| lardman | X-Fade: pong | 16:30 |
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| PhonicUK | Metal sluuuug! :D | 16:33 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Sorry should have unpinged ;) Was looking at build failures on OBS and noticed that f2c was missing. | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | lardman: But it was in extras-devel, uploaded by you. | 16:34 |
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| lardman | what was being built? | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | lardman: I think fort77 | 16:36 |
| lardman | fort77 is just a script that pretends to be g77 | 16:36 |
| lardman | but yeah it has a dep on f2l | 16:36 |
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| lardman | f2c even | 16:36 |
| ShadowJK | oh nice, bq24150 actually does microcycles on its own if I keep prodding its watchdog timer | 16:37 |
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| PhonicUK | Anyone know how I can reset the QT theme to the default? | 16:39 |
| ShadowJK | So one less thing we have to decide on for a jrbme, we can just go with the threshold that the engineers at TI :D | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's a long known fact | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | I only found it in the datasheet just now and decided to test :) | 16:41 |
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| ShadowJK | Previously my script exited at any noncharging mode | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: mhm, my original draft was for a oneshot charging cycle | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | which made the 32s watchdog expire, which reset parameters to default (meaning 3.7V regulation voltage) | 16:43 |
| PhonicUK | anyone know how to right click in Debian LXDE? | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | And I never waited to 3700-recharge :P | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:43 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect if VBUS isn't present, we cant to set /CE and high impedance mode, and stop poking the timer? | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | But at other times keep poking the timer as long as things look sensible | 16:45 |
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| nadley | where I can find all repository for maemo ? | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | http://repository.maemo.org/ | 16:47 |
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| ShadowJK | but don't try to use non-fremantle repos on n900, don't try to use sdk repo | 16:47 |
| nadley | ShadowJK: thanks but there no more repos ? | 16:48 |
| nadley | *is | 16:48 |
| nidO | what other repos are you after? | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sorry, you lost me | 16:49 |
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| nidO | there're 3 maemo repos, 2 nokia ones, an ovi one - beyond that, you just have ones from individual developers that host their software on their own repos | 16:50 |
| nidO | mozilla and amsn being two examples | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | opera | 16:50 |
| ShadowJK | sygic | 16:50 |
| nadley | ok so I'm looking from individual developpers :d | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | nadley: why? | 16:51 |
| nadley | to know if there is interesting software | 16:51 |
| nidO | well the mozilla repo has firefox in it | 16:51 |
| nidO | and the amsn repo has amsn in it. | 16:51 |
| nidO | the sygic repo has sygic in it, but you need to buy that anyway | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: of course if there's no VBUS then there's little use in tickling 24150 timer to keep some useless setup | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh it won't hurt | 16:52 |
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| nadley | ok so for the moment just Firefox is interesting | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's not any more effort than checking for VBUS by polling | 16:52 |
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| PhonicUK | Anyone know how to right click in Easy Debian? :\ | 16:53 |
| PhonicUK | I can't remove one of the toolbars | 16:53 |
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| kerio | PhonicUK: hold down the "mouse" | 16:57 |
| PhonicUK | Tried that, it used to work but doesnt anymore | 16:57 |
| Termana | VNC in from your desktop and right click | 16:58 |
| Termana | :P | 16:58 |
| PhonicUK | I'm at work, can't connect to my phone :P | 16:58 |
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| kerio | set up usb networking! | 17:00 |
| kerio | :D | 17:00 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 17:01 |
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| tybollt | tervetuloa mukulat | 17:02 |
| tybollt | moi moi | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moinmoin | 17:03 |
| ShadowJK | Someone has been watching swedish tv I suspect | 17:04 |
| tybollt | :D | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | it's a wiki! | 17:04 |
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| tybollt | sjk: mind I've - in keeping w/ typical ignorant IRC-style - no idea what the hell that means ;) | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: means "kick my ass" :-P | 17:05 |
| tybollt | Anyway I was hoping our good friend the microb developer would be around - but appears not :-/ | 17:05 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I trust you're homing in right now? :P | 17:06 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt: put the first line on the side of a van and you might get arrested | 17:06 |
| tybollt | :-D | 17:06 |
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| ShadowJK | something like "Welcome children" | 17:07 |
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| lardman | cu later chaps | 17:07 |
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| kerio | cool, USB networking setup is *easy* | 17:08 |
| kerio | it's hard to use it to route packets, but who cares about that | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | google.translate thinks tervetuloa mukulat is Finnish | 17:09 |
| ShadowJK | as long as you only want routing, and not bridging or nat, it's simple? :P | 17:09 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: sftp is way faster with a wire | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | welcome seems right, the children part is kinda.... | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | well it's misspelled | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | comes over like potatoes here, or something about tubes or dunno | 17:11 |
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| ShadowJK | ugh | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | translate.google is pretty unusable on microb :) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Fi->En: tubers, Fi->De: Knollen | 17:12 |
| tybollt | "knollen"? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 17:12 |
| tybollt | in .se that's almost "knulla" -> fuck | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | patattoes are sorta "knollen" | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | potatoes | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | some round vegetable, usually growing underground. I'd think that's a "knolle" | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | unsure what tubers is, in English | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://translate.google.com/?hl=de#auto|de|tervetuloa mukulat | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://translate.google.com/?hl=de#auto|en|tervetuloa mukulat | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh tubers == Knollen | 17:15 |
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| ShadowJK | it's supposed to be kk not k | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not any better | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mukkulat is unknown | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | screwit | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what a nonsense | 17:17 |
| tybollt | sjk is correct though | 17:17 |
| tybollt | I think I got "mukkutal" from a .se TV show | 17:17 |
| ShadowJK | Well google translate is åretty crap at finnish as is | 17:17 |
| Corsac | ok, not only missed calls are associated to the wrong number | 17:18 |
| Corsac | received ones too | 17:18 |
| ShadowJK | and feeding it finnish from the northern valleys of sweden doesn't make it better :) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: can't reproduce | 17:18 |
| PhonicUK | Corsac, did you do an in-place upgrade or a reflash? | 17:18 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, removing the -t actually gets hits from .fi instead of .se heh | 17:20 |
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| Corsac | upgrade | 17:22 |
| FIQ | my charger is even worse today | 17:23 |
| ShadowJK | sounds like usb port is about to come off | 17:24 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: looking at the event log sqlite db there's no phone number | 17:24 |
| PhonicUK | Corsac, try backing up and reflashing | 17:24 |
| Corsac | hmhm, wait | 17:24 |
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| Corsac | when was PR1.2 released exactly? | 17:24 |
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| ShadowJK | sx | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | google translate could do much better if someone gave it some simple grammar parsing skills so it didn't treat each "word" as a unique word.. | 17:26 |
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| Corsac | PhonicUK: how exactly is that supposed to fix anything? | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: actually it doesn't afaik | 17:27 |
| PhonicUK | Corsac, the upgrade has been known to cause problems with contacts | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: it tries to find similar passages in textx with translation | 17:27 |
| Corsac | PhonicUK: and the backup/reflash/restore will recreate contacts db “from scratch”? | 17:28 |
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| PhonicUK | yes | 17:28 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah I mean with finnish that's going to require an enormous database of text since every verb has like 30 forms, and nouns probably as many :P | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 17:29 |
| PhonicUK | gah, press+hold refuses to show menus in LXDE :\ | 17:30 |
| PhonicUK | wtf | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus Finland isn't in EU parliament? Main source for translations google is using | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | It is | 17:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Just the nature of it, that you can construct arbitrarily long words, would make it hard for google translate, I'd think :) | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's not any different to German | 17:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Well atleast german has die/der/das in/im/auf/aus/mit/ohne and all those tiny things as separate distinct words :P | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 17:37 |
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| ShadowJK | instead of as just another thing that gets tagged on to the start, end, or even to the middle(!) of a word :P | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | taiwanese has some declinations for 1..100 objects | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's fun | 17:38 |
| * ShadowJK barely passes the basic language test in finnish anyway :O | 17:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | three spoons has no letter/vowel in commom to two spoons | 17:39 |
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| ShadowJK | (the basic language test being: if you went to town X, and someone tried to sell you off as a manwhore, would you know what's going on?) | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as far as I was able to undertsand it | 17:40 |
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| Termana | lol - "First the Iphone4 was left in a bar and now the bars have left the Iphone4" | 17:53 |
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| WormFood | good one...seems to be accurate too | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kgdb on armel, anybody? | 17:58 |
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| hrw | hi | 18:01 |
| hrw | did meego abandoned modest? | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | Seems likely | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | Given the Qt bent | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | and the fact that Modest is, well, Modest. | 18:02 |
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| hrw | GAN900: Qt is just buzzyword in meego - at least in netbook UI | 18:04 |
| nidO | isnt that because as far as the netbook ui goes its basically just moblin? | 18:04 |
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| mgedmin | does meego ship an email client? | 18:05 |
| hrw | nidO: it is | 18:05 |
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| alterego | Is it possible to force N900 into fast charge mode when plugged into USB? | 18:11 |
| nidO | itll always go to fast charge mode if it can. | 18:12 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 18:12 |
| alterego | Can't say I've seen that happen .. | 18:12 |
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| nidO | you using a dumb charger with the wrong cable type, or a pc that doesnt know what the phone is? | 18:12 |
| alterego | Neither, I'm using the USB data cable. | 18:12 |
| alterego | Wall chargers work fine. | 18:13 |
| nidO | data cable connected to a pc? | 18:13 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:13 |
| ptmn | possible, if charging is only one thing you need | 18:13 |
| nidO | if it's not providing a full charge, its probable the pc doesnt know what the phone is so cant negotiate a full charge, or you have other things connected to the same usb bus and the bus is unpowered | 18:14 |
| alterego | Hrm, I probably have a mouse plugged into the same bus | 18:14 |
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| ptmn | D- and D+ must be shorted on cable for fast charging ability detection | 18:15 |
| nidO | um, not hooked up to a pc | 18:15 |
| alterego | Actually, all the USB ports on my machine use seperate BUS :) | 18:15 |
| nidO | thats only needed when using a data cable with a dumb charger | 18:15 |
| nidO | as theres nothing on the other end of the cable for the device to negotiate power levels with | 18:16 |
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| kerio | hmm | 18:19 |
| kerio | Nokia-N900:~# ifdown usb0 | 18:19 |
| kerio | sh: missing ] | 18:19 |
| kerio | :/ | 18:19 |
| alterego | kerio: I get errors for both ifup and down, still works | 18:20 |
| alterego | I suspect it's to do with ifup.d ifdown.d screpts .. | 18:20 |
| alterego | ~scripts .. | 18:20 |
| kerio | yeah | 18:20 |
| kerio | but it's not supposed to do that | 18:20 |
| kerio | :/ | 18:20 |
| alterego | No, I suppose not. | 18:21 |
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| DrGrov | Yo guys | 18:28 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 18:28 |
| infobot | aw, gee, kerio | 18:28 |
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| crashanddie | good grief | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | there's a patent on delivering emails over wireless networks? | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | Wouldn't that kinda incriminate every single wireless-router manufacturer in the world? | 18:32 |
| nidO | apparently, i was interested to note that they havent included nokia in the laundry list of companies to sue, though./ | 18:32 |
| kerio | i think the missing ] is what prevents the phone from going back to the "empty mass storage" default mode | 18:33 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, I love that Android thread. | 18:39 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, the USPO is infallable. | 18:41 |
| GAN900 | Shut up. | 18:41 |
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| pwneador | hola | 18:42 |
| pwneador | q pedo | 18:42 |
| pwneador | que putas es maemo? | 18:42 |
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| crashanddie | crapper | 18:43 |
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| ShadowJK | usps is kinda funny, they're the only postal service that has used something else than the destination country's postal service ime | 18:44 |
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| ShadowJK | (they put the package on a friggin bus, and the bus dropped it off a a nearby gas station, the attendant called me) | 18:45 |
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| alterego | GAN900: The "Shoulod Nokia use Android" thread? :) | 18:45 |
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| ShadowJK | UPS is delightfully different, they flew it to holland and were "wtf, finland?", and then went to dutch post office and mailed it to me (in .fi) | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | And whatever Nokia store used, dhl I think, sent a semitruck to my door to deliver my N900.. | 18:47 |
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| Lantizia | Having my N900 repaired tomorrow :S | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK | that was a bit wtf | 18:47 |
| Lantizia | dodgy metal bit keeps falling off | 18:48 |
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| ShadowJK | there are metal bits on n900? :) | 18:48 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: same question here :) | 18:49 |
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| Lantizia | covered the left hand hinge for the stand on the underneath of the back cover | 18:49 |
| Lantizia | looks like a backwards L | 18:49 |
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| mgedmin | the little metal bit that kept the little stand closed fell of the stand and stuck to the magnet in the back side of mt n900 | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | I think I haven't lost it yet | 18:51 |
| * mgedmin should try to glue it back on | 18:51 | |
| Lantizia | I tried to melt the 2 plastic rivets that pop through the metal bit to hold it on again | 18:52 |
| Lantizia | but it hasn't helped | 18:52 |
| Lantizia | taking the cover off/on bends the back cover too much and i Just think it's poorly constructed | 18:52 |
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| ShadowJK | the mugen back cover needs so much less force to remove and attach | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | even so, it has never come off unintended :) | 18:57 |
| Lantizia | mugen? | 18:57 |
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| ShadowJK | They make the 2400mAh battery | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | with new back cover so it'll fit | 18:57 |
| RST38h | A "bitter" Connecticut priest blew $1.3m of his church's funds on "swanky hotels and male escorts" | 18:57 |
| Lantizia | OMG! WHA! | 18:57 |
| * RST38h moos approvingly | 18:58 | |
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| GAN900 | I can't believe Nokia management is dumb enough to handle the N900 Flash issue like they have. | 19:02 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 19:02 |
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| GAN900 | The irony of Anssi's comment on Texrat's blog is incredible. | 19:02 |
| jacekowski | does anybody have idea what tornado and blizzard might mean? | 19:02 |
| RST38h | What comment? | 19:02 |
| RST38h | Nokia told Texrat to suck it up? | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, see Texrat's latest blog post. | 19:02 |
| RST38h | ok | 19:02 |
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| MOUD | Can anyone tell me where is the Hardware ID of the n900? | 19:03 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, Anssi claims they're listening. | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | a 10.x upgrade would be nice, I suppose, but what's the pouint when it's too slow to be usable anyway :D | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | Which is bullshit, frankly. | 19:03 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Of course they are listening. Just not acting. | 19:03 |
| GAN900 | Ah, clever | 19:03 |
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| GAN900 | I like that | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: latest blog post? about gaming? | 19:03 |
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| RST38h | ell, he told texrat whom he is listening to | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Anssi is listening to canaries. | 19:06 |
| RST38h | Texrat is not a canary, he is a rodent, not musical enough =) | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | I personally doubt it's really him | 19:07 |
| RST38h | (and so are all of us, to Nokia =)) | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | would've thought he'd write a longer response | 19:07 |
| RST38h | he did | 19:07 |
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| RST38h | in his own blog | 19:07 |
| Myrtti | then why didn't he link to it in his comment? | 19:07 |
| RST38h | dunno | 19:07 |
| ShadowJK | The problem with flash is that adobe are assholes, and upset at being promised h264 decode that the N900 can't deliver :-) | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | or so I gather | 19:08 |
| RST38h | ah who cares about flash | 19:09 |
| RST38h | it brings the whole maemo5 down to its knees | 19:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer burrps | 19:09 | |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 19:09 |
| RST38h | unless that part is fixed, I see no reason to want the latest flash | 19:10 |
| greenfly | hasn't Nokia used the lack of a flash update on previous devices as one means of encouragement to upgrade to the new N series? | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | um | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | N900 is the only one with flash afaik? | 19:10 |
| Corsac | there's flash on android afair | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | the rest have flash lite, which is completely useless | 19:10 |
| Corsac | on some devices at least | 19:10 |
| greenfly | oh, I thought the N8xx had flash | 19:10 |
| ShadowJK | I was talking about Nokia :) | 19:10 |
| greenfly | I'm just going by complaints I've heard by friends who had the previous tablets | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8xx can play youtube vids | 19:11 |
| Corsac | oh, sorry :) | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | greenfly: Yeah sure, 9.x there too | 19:11 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if that's flash then | 19:11 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I think that's the key with 10.1 | 19:11 |
| Macer | ugh | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, acceleration. . . . | 19:12 |
| Macer | if i blew up hinet.net | 19:12 |
| Macer | would it just grow back? | 19:12 |
| RST38h | GAN: Not for us | 19:12 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Swap to mmc --> hang. | 19:12 |
| GAN900 | Mmm | 19:12 |
| RST38h | Accelerated or not, still hang | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo | 19:12 |
| ShadowJK | Gan900: well not even normal linux gets accel, so why a more difficult and more undocumented target like N900 would get accel I can't imagine :-) | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | swapper is a bitch | 19:13 |
| RST38h | GAN: Does FBReader still hang when loading a book for you? | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | Either way, I have a strong desire to beat Anssi about the head and shoulders with a bag of oranges. | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, because other OMAP3 devices do? | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, for a short while. | 19:13 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I think | 19:13 |
| ShadowJK | Hm, do those have full h264 support? | 19:14 |
| kerio | does the new youtube interface work on microb if you change the user-agent? | 19:14 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I'll retest after I finish this one. | 19:14 |
| RST38h | GAN: Short while (1-2 seconds) should be ok | 19:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer burps 'flaarrrrrrr-'shhh' | 19:14 | |
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| * GAN900 would just like to have something that didn't suck and wasn't continually disappointing | 19:14 | |
| GAN900 | I guess that wouldn't be any fun, though. | 19:14 |
| ShadowJK | rst38h: flash does something stupid, along the lines of write(1 byte);fsync() in a loop | 19:15 |
| nidO | kerio: m.youtube.com doesnt seem to do any user-agent checking | 19:15 |
| Myrtti | has anyone tried how many phonenumbers can one contact have in N900 before stuff starts to crash? | 19:15 |
| nidO | as itll load the mobile site even on desktop browsers | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ouch | 19:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh, that thing from Diablo? Has been fixed | 19:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: And it is even more stupid than you think ;) | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, no I'm seeing it in fremantle too | 19:16 |
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| RST38h | It does not occur in Fremantle, at least for me | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast the IO pattern looks very similar to "idiot discovered fsync and sprinkled it everywhere"-syndrome | 19:16 |
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| kerio | nidO: the new mobile site | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | It does for me, I moved swap to uSD, the IO load there stays low, but the IO load on emmc is at 100% | 19:17 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Ah interesting | 19:17 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: What the hell does it do to MMC, with the swap moved elsewhere? | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | It stops after a youtube video has buffered fully | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | go figure.. | 19:18 |
| nidO | kerio, i dont follow | 19:18 |
| RST38h | wait | 19:18 |
| RST38h | maybe it buffers it to .videos??? | 19:18 |
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| * cehteh would like to create 1 swapfiles of the same priority .. but the busybox has no priority support for swapon doh :P | 19:19 | |
| RST38h | get default video path from hildon, it points to .videos at the mmc card, etc | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | Probably to $HOME, fsync on vfat is pretty benign | 19:19 |
| cehteh | err 2 swapfiles | 19:19 |
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| cehteh | anyone knows how much writes the nand allows before it wears out? swap on nand would be even faster | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | SMB138 | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: not enough for swap | 19:21 |
| cehteh | risky business :) | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: nand isn't a block device | 19:21 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yes but you should be able to swap to a file on it | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 19:22 |
| cehteh | huh? | 19:22 |
| cehteh | ubifs? | 19:22 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: rated at ~100k/sector at the average | 19:22 |
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| Appiah | 2 | 19:22 |
| Appiah | ops | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | swapping to file: swapon asks the fs for the underlying blocks, and then accesses the underlying block device directly | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: buffers to /var/tmp | 19:22 |
| cehteh | well i better dont try ... if nand is damaged then the device makes a nice paperweight | 19:22 |
| RST38h | Doc: but /var/tmp is not on mmc, right? | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | there's no block device under ubifs, so swap will not work | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's the whole point where I get goosepimples | 19:23 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: doesnt ubi emulate a block device? | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK | And without an FTL that's swap-aware, it'd be as slow or slower than emmc anyway | 19:23 |
| cehteh | ok | 19:23 |
| cehteh | i dont even want to try | 19:23 |
| cehteh | too risky | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | The raw flash speed of nand and emmc is the same | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | or maybe emmc is slightly faster | 19:24 |
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| cehteh | well 2 swaps on emmc and uSD in parallel might be nice | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the overhead | 19:24 |
| iPeter- | hi | 19:24 |
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| slonopotamus | cehteh: you what, plan to swap out gigs of data? | 19:24 |
| cehteh | slonopotamus: parallelize io | 19:25 |
| iPeter- | is there any way to disable autoupdate checker, i hate it. it laggs phone when connection is opened | 19:25 |
| kerio | nidO: there's a new youtube UI for android and iphone | 19:25 |
| iPeter- | maemo 5 | 19:25 |
| kerio | that uses pure html5 apparently | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway as long as swapper daemon runs with highest prio it's not worth thinking about any speedup of swap | 19:25 |
| cehteh | 2x 128MB would be fine .. i never understood why nokia reserved 756 .. prolly only to market it as 1GB device | 19:25 |
| ShadowJK | The reason why ubifs on nand is faster is because there's a ftl running on a 600MHz cpu that can afford to manage the flash in a clever way. The emmc and sd cards in general have extremely limited processing power, only enough to manage sequential writes in a vaguely optimized manner | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: some not-quite-informed guy made a decision | 19:26 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: 2 swaps in parallel scale quite well io wise | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh: actually, I think I found why | 19:26 |
| RST38h | 2xRAMSIZE is usually sufficient | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya anyway | 19:26 |
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| ShadowJK | I've been running with sys.vm.block-dump enabled, awk script to filter and only analyze kswapd writes | 19:27 |
| cehteh | 2xRAMSIZE isnt needed for most computers anymore .. i mean today where you have 4-12G of ram ... ok with 256 MB it might be still a good choice | 19:27 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: should i create 16gb swap on my desktop? :) | 19:27 |
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| * cehteh has swap daemons running on desktop machines allocating swapfiles dynamically | 19:28 | |
| RST38h | cehteh" well we are not talking of a desktop machine | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | RAM:8041561F aErrorSecondary DCB "error secondary config block too; something is really fucked up",0 | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | in NOLO | 19:28 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: if you want to... | 19:28 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: but you probably have enough ram as it is | 19:28 |
| ShadowJK | Basically it seems to mostly write sequentially, like a tape... But, when it has reached the end it syarts over from 0. BUT, now the swap area has 4k blocks spread all over, which makes the "second pass" much more fragmented, slowing down | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: so, is there some magical optimize_swap utility for cleaning it up at runtime? | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | So, what this means is, the bigger swap area, the longer before your N900 starts slowing down, even if swap usage in terms of bytes stays the same | 19:29 |
| * nextime following the 2xRAM rule.... on my desktop i need 32 gigs of swap, LOL | 19:29 | |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, swapon temp_swa; swapoff main_swap; swapon main_swap: swapoff temp_swap | 19:30 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: This nicely explains the 4-days-to-slow-down phenomenon | 19:30 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: just swapoff;swapon won't do? | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | if you have enough ram | 19:31 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: it doesn't matter | 19:31 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: flash has constant access time | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | NO! it does not | 19:32 |
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| jacekowski | so flash can be fragmented and it shouldnt't make a difference | 19:32 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: yet, if you have data stored sequentially, you can read it all in one operation | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | while you have to issue multiple commands if the data is scattered | 19:32 |
| jacekowski | well, what's the block size on flash | 19:32 |
| jacekowski | 512b | 19:32 |
| ShadowJK | reads are more or less constant access time, writes are not | 19:32 |
| iPeter- | noone knows how to disable autoupdate on n900 | 19:32 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: unfortunally flash fragmentation still degrades performance .. and more unfortunate you can not defragment it on the lowest level | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: What about chnging a policy used to allocate swap blocks? Is there something like this? | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: no | 19:33 |
| RST38h | i.e., allocate blocks for each application as a single chunk, for example? | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: it just writes next one in a queue | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | the erase block size is most likely 256k. This means a single random 4k write results in a 256k erase-read-modify-write operation | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, this is pretty optimal as is, the thing that would be needed is some sort of background gc | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | or background defrag | 19:34 |
| cehteh | mhm i think i forgot to set the stride size to 256k this time when i made the ext4 | 19:35 |
| RST38h | and there are no swap defrag tools right now? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: only if you access another 256k block after that | 19:35 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | swap defrag... oh my. | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise controller of MMC will keep the 256K block and not write it back | 19:36 |
| cehteh | RST38h: on that high level fragmentation and defragmentation doesnt matter, you want something really low level to tell the controler that it should free some contingous blocks .. thats the TRIM support | 19:36 |
| cehteh | and you dont want to do that too often | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: there might even be controllers with multiple buffers for multiple blocks | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, no, basically everyone is ignoring the problem because on desktop you either have harddrives that are slow no matter what, or SSDs that are fast nomatter what (because they have big friggin arm cpus and large amounts of ram to run a log structured filesystem on top of the flash) | 19:37 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh: basically emmc is too stupid to be able to gain much from trim | 19:37 |
| cehteh | can one change the swap priority dynamically through /proc or /sys? | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, no | 19:37 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yes i saied that ... | 19:37 |
| ShadowJK | I mean even if emmc had trim, it wouldn't do anything | 19:38 |
| cehteh | nothing you can do .. any try is futile | 19:38 |
| cehteh | mmc and SD are way to stupid protocols | 19:38 |
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| cehteh | and you need a decent controler for such things .. nothing to see here, move along | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | resistance is futile (if <0.1Ohm) | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | well, if the protocol would allow direct access, bypassing the ftl | 19:39 |
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| ShadowJK | And the controller in the case of mmc/sd/etc is inside the card/chip itself :( | 19:39 |
| cehteh | when i wiped the first device with dd /dev/zero to emmc, the first 10GB or whatever where really fast, i suspect it used blocks which where never used then, and after that i got a sharp drop in write speed until the end | 19:40 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Trouble, trouble... | 19:40 |
| cehteh | but well after some time it settles at some low speed but doesnt degrade that much anymore | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: well it can help with sequential write speed because it can skip the erase step | 19:41 |
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| cehteh | yes | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | But sequential write is darn fast even when it's slow | 19:41 |
| cehteh | the controler knows which blocks are free | 19:41 |
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| cehteh | hum | 19:42 |
| cehteh | darn fast is something else :) | 19:42 |
| cehteh | fast enough for the device | 19:42 |
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| ShadowJK | I mean that it's measured in megabytes per second | 19:42 |
| cehteh | but i wont complain when its 10 times faster | 19:42 |
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| ShadowJK | and not kilobytes per second | 19:42 |
| cehteh | yeah :) | 19:42 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, after about a day I'm 47% through my 700meg uSD swap | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | 123M swap in use | 19:49 |
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| Zucca | Hi. I'm trying to partition my memory card for my N900. However it does not regonize it after I have partitioned it and set up the (formatted) first partition as FAT LBA. | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | VFAT is the magic word | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | What are you using to partition it? | 19:56 |
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| Zucca | I use cfdisk. | 19:59 |
| Zucca | Partition type 0B. | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 0C | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /dev/mmcblk1p1 0+ 14304 14305- 14648304 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | from sfdisk -l | 20:01 |
| Zucca | Oh sorry. 0C was the type. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WFM | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you should also mkfs | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | mkfs.vfat | 20:03 |
| Zucca | Done that already. | 20:03 |
| jacekowski | going back to accessing flash and nand | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so should work | 20:03 |
| Zucca | My laptop regonizes it. | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | there are some functions reading writing reallocating blocks in nand | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | in nolo | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | so it is possible with nand | 20:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | There was an eaelier query from someone about a way to secure erase a block of flash. That would be a handy use-case. | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, does anybody managed to get correct pinout for serial console on n900? | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | did* | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not got round to it. :/ | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg14345.html | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | whoever kevin hilman is | 20:10 |
| jacekowski | he has something | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It's easy if you have the nokia fixture | 20:11 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like it's nolo that's talking to twl4030 | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | and doing some usb stuff | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | interesting | 20:14 |
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| ShadowJK | usb stuff... flashing? :-) | 20:16 |
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| jacekowski | that too | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | M:804149D0 aNoUsbHostDetec DCB "No USB host detected",0 ; DATA XREF: main+24Eo | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | and i've noticed it doing quite clever thing to save on space | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | LDR R2, =(aNoUsbHostDetec+3) | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | LDR R2, =aNoUsbHostDetec ; "No USB host detected" | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | so in R2 there will be either 804149D0 or 804149D3 | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | it would be so nice to have nokia flashing/console jig | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 20:21 |
| FireFly | So I just connected my N900 via USB, in storage mode; shouldn't it appear as a /dev/sd* device? lsusb lists it as "Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode)" | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: check which UART is used. And give a program stup to echo 0x5A to that UART | 20:23 |
| * FireFly is probably missing something obvious | 20:23 | |
| jacekowski | FireFly: popup on screen | 20:23 |
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| jacekowski | FireFly: click mass storage mode | 20:23 |
| FireFly | On the N900? Yeah, selected that | 20:23 |
| FireFly | To clarify, my computer is running linux as well | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: ? | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: it looks like all uarts are connected somewhere | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FireFly: seems your distro isn't set up for automounting | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: at least on circuit diagram | 20:25 |
| FireFly | Hmm | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: really | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 20:25 |
| FireFly | Nope, but I can't even see the device, and I'm pretty sure it works all right with USB sticks | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: to me it looks more like some UARTs are completely omitted in schematics | 20:27 |
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| kerio | cehteh: huh? | 20:28 |
| kerio | the swappiness? | 20:28 |
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| cehteh | what? | 20:29 |
| cehteh | kerio: man swapon (on a normal computer) | 20:29 |
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| kerio | ooh, that priority | 20:30 |
| cehteh | there is a priority for which swap device to choose | 20:30 |
| cehteh | yes | 20:30 |
| FireFly | Does a clean N900 contain anything important that I need to save before I swap the /home and MyDocs partitions to have 27G /home? (e.g. are the config files important?) | 20:30 |
| cehteh | when its same on 2 devices these are effectively raid0'ed | 20:30 |
| FireFly | In MyDocs, that is | 20:30 |
| cehteh | FireFly: if you made any settings, photos or whatever yes | 20:30 |
| FireFly | I didn't | 20:31 |
| FireFly | except date & clock, but those can be reset | 20:31 |
| cehteh | if its a brand new device or you want factory settings then not so much, well there is the emmc image which contains few goodies | 20:31 |
| FireFly | It's only the MyDocs that'll go, though | 20:31 |
| FireFly | Not the /home | 20:31 |
| FireFly | Anyway, guess I'll take a look first then | 20:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: and i found some code to talk to http://datasheet.eeworld.com.cn/part/SMB138B,SUMMIT,307044.html | 20:34 |
| jacekowski | Programmable Switch-mode, USB/AC Input Li+ Battery Charger with TurboCharge? Mode | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | and USB “On- the-Go” Power | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? what do I learn from that? | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | i don't know | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry can't read you | 20:36 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm just saying that it looks like there might be or there was different version of hardware | 20:36 |
| jacekowski | with that smb138 instead of bq21..... | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uhu | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and that's from where? | 20:37 |
| jacekowski | from nolo | 20:38 |
| Nadley | I install openvpn but I don't know how to setup it | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | and these are not just stubs | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | really strange. How would a binary reveal a webpage on disassembly | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | nah | 20:39 |
| jacekowski | google revealed webpage | 20:39 |
| jacekowski | binary revealed search terms | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so excuse me when I don't follow blindly | 20:40 |
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| jacekowski | you're excused | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: you might consider NOLO been used since 770 probably | 20:45 |
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| jacekowski | thing is that it looks like it's n900 specific | 20:46 |
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| summel | http://summel.de/stuff/meego_n900/ <3 do want | 20:55 |
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| Zucca | I got he mmc card working after rebooting N900. | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | summel: start theming then, themes are published | 21:02 |
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| summel | Stskeeps: i dont even have got meego running on my device yet :/ | 21:02 |
| iPeter- | is there any way to disable autoupdate checker, i hate it. it laggs phone when connection is opened | 21:02 |
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| summel | Stskeeps: but for maemo i would love to have this one :D http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png | 21:04 |
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| FireFly | Hrm.. I enabled the maemo.org fremantle/tools repo since I want to install nano, but even answering "y" to "Install these packages without verification" yields "E: Some packages could not be authenticated" | 21:06 |
| FireFly | Which sounds strange to me? :\ | 21:06 |
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| D-Iivil | Evening everyone :) | 21:20 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: ? | 21:20 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: he always comes in and spams those numbers, then leaves | 21:21 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.google.com/search?q=ENTERANICK+%5BW2I=000:u:0:000:%5D | 21:22 |
| jophish | Hi all | 21:22 |
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| crashanddie | Hi jacekowski | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | err | 21:23 |
| crashanddie | Hi jophish | 21:23 |
| jophish | hi crashanddie | 21:23 |
| jophish | My usb port has decided to part ways with my phone. It seems like a fairly common problem, and Nokia won't repair it under warranty | 21:23 |
| D-Iivil | jophish, I've had it repaired now twice under warranty. | 21:23 |
| jophish | I was thinking, Could I brick the phone, and send it back. If I brick it severely enough (irreversible flash damage), they would probably send a new unit? | 21:24 |
| jophish | D-Iivil, how odd | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: not always | 21:24 |
| D-Iivil | jophish, the second round is currently being repaired. | 21:24 |
| jophish | D-Iivil, If I get ti fixed, then I'm just going to fill the port with hot glue | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: he's just looking for DCC bots | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | 06/10/#maemo.log:05:16 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 06/10/#maemo.log:05:17 < ENTERANICK> ytu | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 06/10/#maemo.log:05:20 < ENTERANICK> hello? | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 06/10/#maemo.log:05:20 < ENTERANICK> 482 users idling huh | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 06/10/#maemo.log:05:20 < ENTERANICK> cya | 21:25 |
| jophish | D-Iivil, Are you based in the UK? | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 07/01/#maemo.log:22:08 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 07/01/#maemo.log:22:08 < ENTERANICK> ??? | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 07/01/#maemo.log:22:09 < ENTERANICK> can i speak my language? :) | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 07/01/#maemo.log:22:09 < ENTERANICK> or eng only? | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | 07/01/#maemo.log:22:10 -!- ENTERANICK is now known as nitnatsnok | 21:25 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: <ENTERANICK> !list | 21:25 |
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| D-Iivil | jophish, noup. Finland. | 21:26 |
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| jophish | Ok. I'm in the UK, with a US warranty. | 21:26 |
| jophish | Problem abound | 21:26 |
| jophish | problems* | 21:26 |
| D-Iivil | jophish, :/ | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | jophish: if you have a proof of purchase, it should be fine | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | he said quite a lot at 07/01/#maemo.log:22:10 | 21:26 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I don't care | 21:26 |
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| jophish | Yeah, I ahve the proof of purchase too | 21:27 |
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| D-Iivil | jophish, here in Finland they repair it no matter where you bought it as long as the same model is being sold here also. | 21:27 |
| jophish | I went to a nokia shop today too, and they said that it couldn't be repaired under warranty, physical damage | 21:27 |
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| jacekowski | jophish: bullshit | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | jophish: tell them that they have to repair it | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | jophish: under sales of goods act 1979] | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | jophish: and warranty | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | and if you paid by card or something | 21:29 |
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| D-Iivil | jophish, print out the thread @ tmo with you and go there again. | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | then bank statement is enough as proof of purchase | 21:29 |
| jophish | yeah. I don't think it was a problem with proof of purchase | 21:29 |
| jophish | thanks | 21:29 |
| jophish | I will remember that | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | jophish: and there was thread on nokia.com forum | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | where somebody from nokia said that all nokia care centres have been adviced that usb port problem is covered under warranty | 21:30 |
| jophish | obviously not :( | 21:30 |
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| jophish | perhaps I should try a different centre | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | jophish: but ussualy if you mention sales of goods act | 21:30 |
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| jacekowski | jophish: people start being more cooperative | 21:31 |
| jophish | If I do get them to repair it, will it be done there and then? | 21:31 |
| jophish | jacekowski, ok | 21:31 |
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| jophish | or does it have to be sent off? | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, yes. | 21:37 |
| jophish | Also, is this an up to date form: I downloaded it a while ago for my n810, I can't verify this because of not having a UK based warranty, so nokia won't let me access the relevant portion of the site. | 21:38 |
| jophish | https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0BxJktye-EQ2vOWY1ODBmZTItZjliZC00NGExLWE0ZDgtZDMyOTdiOGIyMDc0&hl=en | 21:38 |
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| luke-jr | curiously, my MicroSD is much faster than the internal eMMC ;) | 21:48 |
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| jophish | luke-jr, what class? | 21:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head - heard ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] is freenode web interface for IRC | 21:50 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie has strange philosophy for (un-)banning | 21:51 |
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| luke-jr | jophish: no idea | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~bark | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: no cloak? | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | ITS A TRAP | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ITS *THEM* | 22:09 |
| crashanddie | it's Ari undercover | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tampabay ? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Is Ari on holiday? | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ari! what you're doing in Florida? | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /ns info gan900 | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: register!!! | 22:15 |
| mirf | blap | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tral | 22:16 |
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| mirf | irssi is rulaerzorxcsx of the unriviosnes | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, via ssh and screen. Feels like mail ofer web frontend | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | over even | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | (sorry for the heat defects) | 22:20 |
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| * RST38bis set swappiness to 30 | 22:32 | |
| RST38bis | will see if it makes things better | 22:33 |
| RST38bis | fennec seems to run better | 22:34 |
| * wiretapped reopens bug 3659 | 22:34 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 Changing icon theme requires reboot to be applied correctly | 22:34 |
| RST38bis | not only icon theme too | 22:35 |
| wiretapped | yeah, i guess that title should be changed or a new bug should be filed | 22:35 |
| RST38bis | holy fuck i have never seen fennec run this well | 22:35 |
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| Cyborg_ | Hi | 22:49 |
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| Cyborg_ | Is there a good navigation system for N900 you would suggest? | 22:50 |
| RST38bis | GAN900: echo 30 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 22:50 |
| RST38bis | it is likely to bring happiness back to your life =) | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38bis: hard aim to achieve | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Cyborg_: heard sygic is ok | 22:55 |
| RST38bis | well try it. then run goddamn fennec. | 22:55 |
| cehteh | Cyborg_: http://www.christeck.de/wp/products/routino-frontend/ | 22:55 |
| RST38bis | you will see what I mean | 22:55 |
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| Wolfie | t | 23:00 |
| Wolfie | oops | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | RST38bis: what does 30 swappiness mean? | 23:13 |
| RST38bis | means stop swapping like crazy | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | sort of :-) | 23:17 |
| lbt | GAN900: hi ... do you recall if anything came of the Barcelona weekend documentation activity | 23:19 |
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| visz | darn | 23:20 |
| visz | no more speedometer touch on ovi | 23:20 |
| visz | just when i kinda needed it | 23:20 |
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| nidO | there're a couple of aps in extras / testing that have gps speedos afaik | 23:20 |
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| nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/speedo/0.1-13/ < is one example | 23:21 |
| visz | oh, great | 23:22 |
| ptl | is this normal? when I create a madde project in qt creator it creates the .deb without the resources | 23:22 |
| ptl | also... I am not sure where to create my .desktop file and ask qt creator to use it | 23:23 |
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| ptl | ok... I'm reading this, hope it helps | 23:24 |
| ptl | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application | 23:24 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: find the thumb errata, there's a patch for it | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | it will be slow but might work | 23:33 |
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| jacekowski | [ 0.137] �ber-cool backlight fade-in took 119 ms | 23:43 |
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| Cyborg_ | Is there any free navigation software that works without the internet or must I buy one if I don't want to get lost? :) | 23:51 |
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| mgedmin | I've used MaemoMapper more or less successfully in the past | 23:53 |
| mgedmin | you need to download the map while online | 23:53 |
| asj_ | Cyborg_: ovi maps on anything but the n900 does... | 23:53 |
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| Cyborg_ | I know. I feel scr* by nice people at Nokia. | 23:55 |
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| mgedmin | if you've the maps downloaded, ovi maps works offline, more or less | 23:58 |
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