| MohammadAG | img.ext2 is probably the easy-debian image | 00:00 |
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| george_ | :( | 00:00 |
| george_ | yes | 00:00 |
| george_ | but i have 2 image | 00:00 |
| george_ | the easy debian image it was delete | 00:00 |
| george_ | and then i have this second image | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | so what's the problem? | 00:01 |
| george_ | what's happened? | 00:01 |
| george_ | the problem is | 00:01 |
| george_ | that when i open the conversation | 00:01 |
| george_ | there isn't nothing | 00:02 |
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| george_ | but i have 2500 message | 00:02 |
| george_ | and i can't see my message | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | george_, sounds like you have a collection of things happened. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | img.ext2 is not a full filename | 00:03 |
| lcuk | and conversations has nothing to do with that | 00:03 |
| george_ | i have reflashed the device | 00:03 |
| lcuk | you tell us how it lal happened | 00:03 |
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| george_ | now | 00:03 |
| lcuk | how did you delete stuff | 00:03 |
| george_ | what is stuff? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | the stuff you are missing! | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, maybe it's a corrupted /home? | 00:04 |
| george_ | and what can i do? | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | no idea how to fsck that on maemo though | 00:05 |
| lcuk | george_, does everything else work | 00:05 |
| lcuk | do you have contacts left still | 00:05 |
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| george_ | what? | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | george_, you say your conversations messages are missing. | 00:06 |
| george_ | yes | 00:07 |
| lcuk | are there still contacts on your device | 00:07 |
| george_ | yes | 00:07 |
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| george_ | there are all contacts | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | and do all the other applications still work | 00:07 |
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| george_ | i have only this problem | 00:07 |
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| george_ | yes | 00:08 |
| lcuk | george_, i am merely trying to confirm what MohammadAG said about a corrupted home, it sounds like you have merely deleted files yourself potentially | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | or browserd's crashing | 00:08 |
| lcuk | either way, the easiest way to restore your messages after a reflash would be to restore from a backup that you took prior to flashing | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | (happens to me sometimes but can't reproduce it) | 00:09 |
| lcuk | thats possible too MohammadAG | 00:09 |
| lcuk | hmm | 00:09 |
| george_ | not | 00:09 |
| george_ | i reflash the device | 00:09 |
| george_ | and i have made a backup | 00:09 |
| lcuk | did all the sms messages exist when you made the backup | 00:10 |
| george_ | when i see the widget of conversation | 00:10 |
| george_ | i see the number of messages | 00:10 |
| kerio | hey, another easydebian update? | 00:10 |
| lcuk | what about the app of conversations | 00:10 |
| kerio | it always rewrites my lxde configs :( | 00:10 |
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| george_ | advice? | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | water flowers and give them plenty of sun | 00:13 |
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| george_ | what? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | i gave you some advice as you asked! all seriousness, restore from backup. you reflashed your system since it would be the most reasonable and confirmable way to get things back | 00:14 |
| lcuk | and to try fixing whatever borkened itself | 00:14 |
| george_ | for the second time? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | george_, you never said you had restored the first time. when you restored the messages after flashing did the work at all | 00:16 |
| lcuk | or have they not worked since you reflashed | 00:17 |
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| george_ | i have flashed and restored the messages | 00:17 |
| george_ | i m sorry.... i can't speak very good english | 00:17 |
| lcuk | george_, ahh - after you restored them did they work at all | 00:18 |
| lcuk | and did you reflash your device because the messages were broken or because of the img.ext2 problem | 00:18 |
| george_ | yes | 00:19 |
| george_ | when i restored the messages the problem is still here | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | george_, how did you delete the img.ext2 file? | 00:21 |
| george_ | :( | 00:21 |
| george_ | i don't know | 00:21 |
| george_ | but is a system file? | 00:21 |
| george_ | or a system file of easy debian? | 00:21 |
| lcuk | afaik its a debian file but i dont think its full name is img.ext2 | 00:22 |
| george_ | can you look your device? | 00:22 |
| george_ | if you find it? | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | george_, where should it be | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | what's the translation project of maemo called? | 00:24 |
| george_ | i think in MyDocs | 00:24 |
| george_ | but i don't sure | 00:24 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, the one on transifex? | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: I think it's like l19n | 00:25 |
| lcuk | george_, it would not be a system file in mydocs | 00:25 |
| george_ | mmm | 00:25 |
| lcuk | l10n is the shorterened version of internationalisation | 00:25 |
| lcuk | ie generic | 00:25 |
| george_ | i don't remember | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: ah | 00:26 |
| lcuk | or localisation or whatever it is | 00:26 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: ta | 00:26 |
| george_ | can you look if you find it | 00:26 |
| me1ne | lcuk, I don't quite get the forum... do I need to flash another kernel to enable sixaxis? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | george_, i wont have it on my machine | 00:28 |
| lcuk | me1ne, it was just a suggestion based on what you said | 00:28 |
| lcuk | anyway, im off | 00:28 |
| lcuk | my brains are oozing out, gnite \o | 00:28 |
| Wolfie | lcuk: i18n and l10n are two different things | 00:28 |
| lcuk | Wolfie, o_O | 00:29 |
| lcuk | see previous comment | 00:29 |
| Wolfie | right | 00:29 |
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| Wolfie | but l10n isn't the shortened version internationalization, still | 00:29 |
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| george_ | but are you programmer? | 00:30 |
| lcuk | l10n is localisation and i18n is internationalisation? | 00:30 |
| Wolfie | george_: me? | 00:30 |
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| Wolfie | lcuk: correct. and those two things aren't the same thing | 00:30 |
| george_ | you or lcuk | 00:31 |
| lcuk | roger Wolfie ta for clarification | 00:31 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ^^ | 00:31 |
| Wolfie | i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used, etc | 00:31 |
| Wolfie | george_: i write code for a living, yeah | 00:31 |
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| george_ | yes? and can you help me? | 00:32 |
| Wolfie | to put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps | 00:32 |
| george_ | i have a problem with the device | 00:32 |
| Wolfie | george_: sorry, i don't know Maemo at all | 00:32 |
| lcuk | can someone teach infobot that please | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | thats a nice way of describing it | 00:33 |
| george_ | :( | 00:33 |
| Wolfie | i guess wikipedia can explain this with more words | 00:33 |
| Wolfie | (i mean the difference between i18n and l10n | 00:33 |
| Wolfie | ) | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | ~i18n is i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used. To put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps. | 00:33 |
| infobot | crashanddie: what are you talking about? | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | ~i18n is i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used. To put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps. | 00:34 |
| infobot | crashanddie: what are you talking about? | 00:34 |
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| crashanddie | wtf | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | infobot: status | 00:34 |
| infobot | Since Sat Jul 3 09:18:43 2010, there have been 12 modifications, 420 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 135 commands. I have been awake for 4d 12h 15m 38s this session, and currently reference 117126 factoids. I'm using about 21184 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 11158.82/455.31 child 0.18/0.04 | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | ~i18n | 00:34 |
| infobot | from memory, i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? | 00:34 |
| Wolfie | :D | 00:34 |
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| Wolfie | " Internationalization is the process of designing a software application so that it can be adapted to various languages and regions without engineering changes. Localization is the process of adapting internationalized software for a specific region or language by adding locale-specific components and translating text." says wikipedia | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | ~l10n | 00:34 |
| infobot | it has been said that l10n is an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? | 00:34 |
| george_ | bye bye | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: seems those facts are locked | 00:35 |
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| kerio | aw guys, easy debian doesn't follow my custom keymap :( | 00:44 |
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| lbt | wtf? | 00:48 |
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| lbt | Someone 'complained about my app : "Shopper does not support handwriting" | 00:49 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | lbt :) | 00:49 |
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| * lbt just gapes in disbelief | 00:50 | |
| lbt | there's also another comment: "Portrait mode would be also very usefull" | 00:51 |
| lcuk | lbt graffiti input modes on palms | 00:51 |
| lbt | right under the portrait screenshot... | 00:51 |
| lcuk | hongkong n900 has HWR | 00:51 |
| lcuk | cellwriter is available | 00:51 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:51 |
| kerio | hwr? | 00:53 |
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| lbt | lcuk: It made it to stable... http://maemo.org/downloads/product/38abbb6c895211dfa8654f5f9cb215ce15ce/ | 00:54 |
| trip0 | wah00t | 00:55 |
| trip0 | congrats lbt | 00:55 |
| lbt | :) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | :D kickass lbt | 00:55 |
| lcuk | nice | 00:55 |
| lbt | no handwriting though! | 00:56 |
| lcuk | the comments are umm | 00:56 |
| lcuk | to be fair, you do mention scribbling | 00:56 |
| lbt | and no auto-save if you yank the battery or stamp on your phone! | 00:56 |
| lcuk | WHY NOT! | 00:56 |
| * lbt sobs | 00:57 | |
| lbt | I tried | 00:57 |
| lbt | so harfd | 00:57 |
| ponyofdeath | hi, what is the kernel i should be using now that has the iptables modules says power-kernel is going to be removed? | 00:57 |
| * lcuk navigates to the wine and chees list | 00:57 | |
| lcuk | cheese | 00:57 |
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| lbt | right... time to go | 01:00 |
| lbt | 'night all | 01:00 |
| Macer | does debian have some sort of user monitoring tool? | 01:01 |
| Macer | like something ncurses that shows who is online and any other information? | 01:01 |
| Macer | other than w and who? | 01:01 |
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| ptl | I don't know, but w and who only shows people who register through wtmp. If you look at your n900, "who" doesn't show you :/ | 01:02 |
| ptl | so they're not ideal tools anyway | 01:02 |
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| ptl | there's a 'whowatch' on the repositories | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: d'you see ma new bike? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | 125 with bazzin led long exposures? | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: aye | 01:22 |
| lcuk | indeedy - is cool! | 01:23 |
| ponyofdeath | hey guys what is the best way to find services that are running in the background and not needed? | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | ps | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | top | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | powertop | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | rm | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | Hi everyone | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | What is new in the Maemo community today? | 01:24 |
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| ptl | nothing, I'm afraid | 01:27 |
| Robot101 | what? there's a custom ringtone daemon we just released | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | that's pretty cool | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | well, except for packet injection and mac address changing for the N900 | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | yeah but also.... | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | custom ringtones! | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | Oh, custom ringtones daemon | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | Hopefully already in the extras repositories? | 01:28 |
| Robot101 | oh wait... he didn't release it yet | 01:29 |
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| Robot101 | it's neeeearly ready :D | 01:29 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I hope to see it soon. | 01:29 |
| DrGrov | I hope now when I check into the maemo.org and see what is new I hope to see something newer than the OMWeather Russian thingie that has been there for 2 days now | 01:29 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:30 |
| DrGrov | nite trem | 01:30 |
| Robot101 | watch http://planet.collabora.co.uk/ :) | 01:30 |
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| rfrvbc | what is a sweet dream? i only get sweat dreems | 01:39 |
| trip0 | lol | 01:40 |
| trip0 | and ew | 01:40 |
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| DrGrov | Gotta ask one quick question | 01:58 |
| DrGrov | Once I enter the PIN code when the device is booting up I can not enter a wrong PIN code, correct? | 01:58 |
| DrGrov | What happens when I press the "Skip over" and do not enter the PIN code? | 01:59 |
| DrGrov | Is it the correct PIN code that eventually gives the signal strength and 2G/3G sign? | 01:59 |
| Proteous | I've never used the pin functionality | 02:00 |
| DrGrov | Proteous: you have it automatically to start up without asking PIN? | 02:01 |
| Proteous | yes | 02:02 |
| asj | DrGrov: turn off the sim pin if you don't want it | 02:02 |
| DrGrov | asj: ok | 02:02 |
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| DrGrov | No, I was just wondering. I entered the PIN and it displayed that PIN entered correct but I still wonder if I do enter the PIN code wrong or skip the PIN code enter then I will not have any signal strength? | 02:03 |
| hhoffman | hi, I have a n810 that I'd like to reflash to the latest diablo image. Is there a good way to also flash /home ? | 02:03 |
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| asj | DrGrov: try it 3 times and let us know :) | 02:03 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes you will not have signal with wrong or skipped pin | 02:04 |
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| DrGrov | ShadowJK: thanks for clearing that up for me. i know that i need to enter pin to get signal but i was curious to know whether it is possible to afterwards upon boot to re-enter the pin code if done the skipped part at boot up. | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | I've managed to do that | 02:05 |
| DrGrov | you have? | 02:05 |
| DrGrov | do tell | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | but I don't remember how | 02:05 |
| DrGrov | I am merely wondering if I really forget to enter the pin but eventually need phone capability later on then it would be great to have it. | 02:06 |
| DrGrov | I know that the "Offline" mode is switching off all signal activity and thus loosing phone capability but that does require the PIN code to be entered upon boot. | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | I probably gpoked around in /sys to manually power up the modem in reset state and then release the reset, and maemo just popped up the pin dialog | 02:06 |
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| ShadowJK | But there might be pin code entry in ssettings-phone perhaps | 02:07 |
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| DrGrov | That would be good to have as default eventually thus making a boot unnecessary. | 02:07 |
| raster | merp | 02:08 |
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| DrGrov | Or perhaps that is plain unnecessary :D | 02:09 |
| DrGrov | I do not know, it is just an idea I've developed the last few days. | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | there's a cellular modem control widget/whatever in extras | 02:12 |
| hhoffman | anyone got any ideas on the best way to wipe /home upon a reflash of a n810? | 02:12 |
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| DrGrov | ShadowJK: ok, will check that out. | 02:20 |
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| ShadowJK | hhoffman, I'd think a reflash wipes /home on n810? | 02:22 |
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| hhoffman | hmm, ok. maybe the docs are just wrong. I haven't actually done it yet so I'm not sure but here's what the wiki says: "So basically flashing a rootfs fiasco image will keep your /home/user and MyDocs data (first boot will wipe /home/opt though)." | 02:23 |
| hhoffman | which seems kinda backward to me, since I'd think with a re-flash you'd want a default install | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | This is true for maemo5 and N900 | 02:24 |
| hhoffman | which is true? wipe of home or no wipe? | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | on N810, /home is on rootfs | 02:25 |
| hhoffman | eff it, I guess I'm gonna just try | 02:25 |
| hhoffman | ah! ok | 02:25 |
| hhoffman | that I didn't realize | 02:25 |
| hhoffman | so the wiki is updated for the n900 | 02:25 |
| hhoffman | thx! :-D | 02:25 |
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| hhoffman | another question... the development vmware image seems to list diablo/freemantle but I thought maemo 4.x (diablo) wasn't compatible with maemo 5.x (freemantle)? | 02:26 |
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| hhoffman | sweet, it reflashed everything. thanks again! time for a reboot | 02:35 |
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| * trip0 cries in anger at the apparent lack of support to send files via bluetooth to the n900 | 02:49 | |
| Stskeeps | hey, we just got sending files with bluetooth in an update ;) | 02:50 |
| Stskeeps | as in, from n900 | 02:50 |
| trip0 | yeah | 02:50 |
| trip0 | but not the other way around :( | 02:50 |
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| trip0 | hmm | 02:51 |
| trip0 | Speedevil? | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | trip0: yeah, I noticed that recently | 02:52 |
| n900evil | trip0: ? | 02:52 |
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| trip0 | n900evil, just noticed that you aren't your normal nick... | 02:53 |
| ShadowJK | even 1.0 can receive, iirc | 02:53 |
| pigeon | hmm, what custom ringtone daemon? | 02:53 |
| n900evil | ah | 02:53 |
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| n900evil | my dsl is broken | 02:53 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: hmm? | 02:54 |
| * n900evil wishes he had the energy to try to gekt fixed, or to work out why 3g tether has stopped working | 02:54 | |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: how? | 02:54 |
| trip0 | ShadowJK, it's failing for me here | 02:54 |
| trip0 | google shows that there are lots who've tried and failed as well | 02:55 |
| trip0 | there's even a thread where a user reports the problem, and sombody responds with the suggestion to use scp | 02:55 |
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| luke-jr | scp? | 02:56 |
| luke-jr | most phones don't support scp | 02:56 |
| trip0 | n900 does | 02:57 |
| trip0 | but that doesn't help | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | nope | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | *both* ends need to support scp to make it useful | 02:57 |
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| trip0 | i'm trying to test my meego bluetooth app | 02:58 |
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| trip0 | i think my lappy also has bt... | 02:58 |
| trip0 | i'll try that | 02:58 |
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| rafaelbrandao | I've been trying to run libfprint on my n810, but it can't start the device as it displays the following error: "[dev_init] interface claim failed". Searching about this issue, I've got this: "The one problem I ran into when using fprint was that I could not run fprint_demo without sudo." So my question is: if I get sudo through ssh, would that be enough? I'm trying it but it's not working. | 03:18 |
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| ShadowJK | Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but iirc it "just worked" for me ... | 03:20 |
| ShadowJK | (re bluetooth receive) | 03:21 |
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| ShadowJK | rafaelbrandao, install rootsh from Maemo.org Extras, sudo gainroot, then try | 03:22 |
| rafaelbrandao | ShadowJK, just tried it... but got the same error. :\ | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | no idea then :) | 03:25 |
| rafaelbrandao | yup, that's me. but thanks :) | 03:26 |
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| hhoffman | is anyone running syncevolution on the n810? It keeps segfaulting for me. And is there a repo for syncevolution > 1.x | 03:28 |
| rfrvbc | so long gents and gentles, i was a virgin, but you were just rough enough | 03:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 03:29 |
| hhoffman | lol | 03:30 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, it only took a couple of years, but you finally got me hooked on The SCP Foundation | 04:00 |
| GugloPWN | I was able to compile the NeHe SDL examples in scratchbox, but when I try to run ./lesson06 on my device I get: Permission Denied. sudo gainroot and chmod 755 didn't help | 04:01 |
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| rafaelbrandao | I've just made the same test on ubuntu with libfprint and when I'm not sudo, the same error happens when I try to execute it as sudo on my n810. | 04:33 |
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| n900-1 | hey all | 06:38 |
| n900-1 | i have this 248kb maemo 5 update showing in the ota update | 06:39 |
| n900-1 | its very small system update | 06:39 |
| n900-1 | cudnt find anything about it on the net | 06:39 |
| asj | well...what is it called? | 06:42 |
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| yigal | is there a tutorial on using mappero to plot a cycle route? | 07:01 |
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| yigal | got it, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=720996&postcount=4, never mind | 07:03 |
| yigal | oh this isn't quite it? | 07:05 |
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| yigal | I want to use google cycling | 07:07 |
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| yigal | so it's this http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/gmaptogpx/ | 07:14 |
| yigal | fair enough | 07:14 |
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| iXce | hi | 07:23 |
| hari_ | hi, | 07:23 |
| hari_ | i have installed maemo 5 on 10.04 using the python script | 07:23 |
| iXce | hm, is is possible to create one-click .install files that work together with personal repositories ? | 07:24 |
| hari_ | but when i try opening it appears in the task barbut does not open | 07:24 |
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| hari_ | i get the loading icon ...but does not open....What may be the cause?? | 07:25 |
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| iXce | actually I got my answer : yes, and another hint : in .install files, catalogues are separated by ";", not spaces | 07:31 |
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| Termana | Macer, you double agent you! | 08:22 |
| Termana | :P | 08:22 |
| e-yes | ebay: "100% NEW San Disk 32GB 32G microSD micro SD SDHC" --- US $20.88 --- is it fake/counterfeit? | 08:23 |
| pronto | get it! | 08:23 |
| Termana | pronto, you obviously take the "jump right in" rather than cautious approach :P | 08:24 |
| pronto | :D | 08:24 |
| Termana | Isn't jumping from a cliff danger - "Jump right off!" | 08:24 |
| Termana | dangerous* | 08:24 |
| pronto | do it! | 08:25 |
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| ShadowJK | fake | 08:30 |
| ShadowJK | (too cheap) | 08:30 |
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| RST38h | Moo ShadowJK | 08:33 |
| ShadowJK | hello | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 08:33 |
| Termana | Hello cows | 08:34 |
| pigeon | koo koo | 08:34 |
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| e-yes | pronto, Termana ShadowJK thanks | 08:40 |
| pronto | :D | 08:40 |
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| Macer | huh? | 08:42 |
| Macer | Termana: i have a friend who had his G1 break | 08:42 |
| Macer | i had mine lying around from the before time when i didn't have an n900 ;) | 08:42 |
| Macer | figured i'd update cyanogen on it since i took out the SD and it is screwed now haha | 08:42 |
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| Macer | hopefully this works right now. plus it woud be interesting to see what the hell the G1 can do as far as an android 2.x install can do | 08:43 |
| Macer | i was still running 1.6 :) | 08:43 |
| Macer | you have to love how it takes a billion years to restart after wiping the cache and factory wiping it | 08:44 |
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| redeeman | have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? | 08:47 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Good morning :) | 09:42 |
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| sandst1 | morning | 09:43 |
| sandst1 | okay, it's not monday. Good morning :) | 09:43 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | sandst1, only mondays includes good mornings? :D | 09:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | sandst1, and other days the mornings just sucks? :D | 09:59 |
| sandst1 | D-Iivil_Work: No, the other way around ^^ | 10:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | sandst1, makes more sense that way :P | 10:00 |
| sandst1 | yup :) | 10:01 |
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| Macer | anybody here using an ssl freenode server? | 10:05 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: i do, sometimes | 10:23 |
| Macer | just curious | 10:24 |
| Macer | i just set up the whole irssi automatic thing | 10:24 |
| Macer | with ssl servers .. for those days i need to send cc information and my ssn over irc | 10:25 |
| Macer | and what not :) | 10:25 |
| Macer | i was just curious if s2s was encrypted | 10:25 |
| Macer | if not.. what is the point? | 10:25 |
| Macer | well. i suppose i could see you not wanting your workplace admin seeing what you are talking about in #findunderagegirls | 10:25 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: it's not | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | Macer: use fish | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | Macer: something like that | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | +OK r0wPR.dPZoe1fDCYl1rmsA6. | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | +OK xuSp9.9XLc90ktqG20fQlgy0tGPk2/Urpi61 | 10:29 |
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| Juozapas | did any one try synergy on n900 ? | 10:31 |
| * timeless_mbp is sure someone did | 10:31 | |
| Juozapas | yeah i found some topics in forum | 10:32 |
| Juozapas | but they say that is not stable... maybe something changed | 10:33 |
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| Juozapas | and maybe there is some soft to control amarok via n900 ? | 10:36 |
| Juozapas | i mean amarok runing in other box | 10:36 |
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| Dassu | sntop it homie use pastebin lk | 10:39 |
| _0x47 | Anyone knows why ESbox wouldn't use the -D flags in my Makefile? Example: -DDATA_DIR=\"$(pkgdatadir)\" gives me ../../global.h #error DATA_DIR undefined. I'm wondering if I'd have to define it another way as this was used for dpkg-buildpackage before. | 10:39 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: heh | 10:42 |
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| Macer | was just more so curious if s2s connections were encrypted | 10:42 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: please use pastebin services like everyone els | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | e | 10:48 |
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| PhonicUK | woot i just got my hidden host set :) | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | PhonicUK: good, now we can ban you without any problem then. | 10:53 |
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| crashanddie | :P | 10:53 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 10:53 |
| PhonicUK | pdpc supporter :) | 10:54 |
| Izzeh | ey guys.. anyone have a good list of debug steps to figure out why my N900 battery is draining after 3-4 hours of late? | 10:54 |
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| PhonicUK | Izzeh, get Conky and see if anything is eating CPU time | 10:55 |
| Izzeh | its not :( | 10:55 |
| PhonicUK | and BatteryGraph | 10:55 |
| Izzeh | and if it is... its too small to make the top list | 10:55 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: well, that was irc encryption | 10:55 |
| Izzeh | Battery Graph just has a very steep decline... with vertical sections at points x.x | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it was supposed to be one line but it worked out sort of more | 10:55 |
| PhonicUK | weird | 10:56 |
| Izzeh | no correlation to CPU usage either | 10:56 |
| PhonicUK | maybe it needs a deep charge | 10:56 |
| Izzeh | which is whats really screwing me over | 10:56 |
| Izzeh | well I found on a reboot I did earlier today.. it wenty from 40% to 5% | 10:56 |
| Izzeh | that screams battery issues if anything I think | 10:56 |
| Izzeh | also after full nights charge, 20 mins usage saw it at 55% | 10:57 |
| PhonicUK | are you using R&D mode? | 10:57 |
| Izzeh | was at one point.. not now though | 10:57 |
| PhonicUK | and does conky show the cpu speed dropping when idle? | 10:57 |
| Izzeh | yeah it idles at 500 as expected | 10:58 |
| PhonicUK | idle is 250 | 10:58 |
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| Izzeh | not with my OC | 10:58 |
| PhonicUK | ah | 10:58 |
| PhonicUK | disable the OC? :p | 10:58 |
| Izzeh | and that hasn't changed in the last week... and I'd get 18 hours then | 10:58 |
| PhonicUK | hmm | 10:58 |
| PhonicUK | got a spare battery? | 10:59 |
| Izzeh | nope | 10:59 |
| Izzeh | lol | 10:59 |
| PhonicUK | id do a drain until it dies and a 48hr charge | 10:59 |
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| Izzeh | kk will do | 10:59 |
| Izzeh | it went flat driving home from work.. and hasn't come off charge since | 10:59 |
| PhonicUK | what OC you running at? | 10:59 |
| Izzeh | so I won't move it for a day or so | 11:00 |
| Izzeh | 500-800 | 11:00 |
| PhonicUK | righto | 11:00 |
| Izzeh | ULV | 11:00 |
| PhonicUK | k | 11:00 |
| PhonicUK | worth it? | 11:00 |
| Izzeh | yep | 11:00 |
| Izzeh | specially given the N64 emu and having almost beat Super Mario 64 :P | 11:00 |
| PhonicUK | i wish we had a decent PSX emu | 11:00 |
| Izzeh | its looking more and more possible... | 11:01 |
| PhonicUK | ooooh what n64 emu? | 11:01 |
| SwedeMike | I recommend purchasing some of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22691 , I keep one in my pocket at all times. | 11:01 |
| PhonicUK | ari64? | 11:01 |
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| PhonicUK | linky? | 11:01 |
| Izzeh | Pandora almost has an opengl ES working version of PSX | 11:01 |
| PhonicUK | yah ive seen | 11:01 |
| PhonicUK | brb getting off bus | 11:01 |
| Izzeh | lol my guide for it has been on the top of TMO games section for 2 weeks :P | 11:01 |
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| Izzeh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57647 | 11:02 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd get something like portable usb charger, like dc-11.. but dc-11 hsa got puny battery.. there's this other third party one which will roughly give you almost 3 times worth of recharge in one hit, 2 and a bit on maemo | 11:02 |
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| PhonicUK | i had a pandora preorder, cancelled not long after getting my n900 | 11:02 |
| PhonicUK | brb | 11:02 |
| Izzeh | I might consider a spare battery later.. but it doesnt exactly resolve the issue of it draining in 3-4 hours all of a sudden | 11:03 |
| Izzeh | what else could kill battery power other than CPU? | 11:03 |
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| Stskeeps | morn achipa | 11:04 |
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| achipa | o/ morn Stskeeps | 11:04 |
| psycho_oreos | my idea wasn't exactly a spare battery :) I've taken out and reinserted my n900 a few times and have noticed that with only a few seconds worth of no battery, n900 wants you to reconfirm locale settings | 11:04 |
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| Stskeeps | psycho_oreos: i am pissed there's a huge closed source time framework for synchronising time and so on in maemo.. | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | and it asks for the time on bootup | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 11:05 |
| psycho_oreos | Stskeeps, that's probably the joy of having spare battery.. I was at one point very serious of considering of buying one but saw on nokia website they had dc-11 which keeps your n900 alive and charging. I bought it but found out on another site there's this third party one which offers 3x charge, was pissed off but oh well | 11:07 |
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| PhonicUK | izzeh, constant io access can drain power without raising cpu usage | 11:08 |
| achipa | spare battery is a must if you're a road warrior and use the cellular radio... | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | or a car charger | 11:09 |
| psycho_oreos | though spare battery requires you to swap the batteries :) dc-11 or this Proporta USB TurboCharger 3400 won't require those un-necessary steps | 11:09 |
| achipa | yeah, that too. Not that common on buses, trains or airplanes, tho :) | 11:09 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I got a car charger but its for old n95, bought an adapter for it so I can use it with n900 | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i should get a proper usb car charger, the adaptor i use is the pin to usb.. and it gets rather hot | 11:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | is that the one by nokia? and the charger? | 11:10 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: my gripe with the car charger concept is that the usb port is on the LEFT so no matter where I put it it has to either pull on the port or the N900 be upside down | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:11 |
| achipa | (if you're the driver, that is) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i like sygic being able to rotate in that case :P | 11:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | lucky for me lol, my car is right hand drive, so I can have the charger plugged in and have cable running straight to my phone without having to loop around something like steering column for example | 11:12 |
| psycho_oreos | err steering wheel | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | achipa: well, not if you're in the UK :) | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | achipa: or on a bike :) | 11:12 |
| psycho_oreos | whatever that thing is that sits between the steering wheel and the centre console | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: dashboard? | 11:13 |
| psycho_oreos | on a bike you don't have a charger unless you have some weird hack of the faster you pedal, the more power is then generated to power whatever devices tickles you fancy in which this case is n900 | 11:13 |
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| achipa | crashanddie: and india and japan and aus and 1/3 of the world in total, yes, but that's no consolation for having to swap batteries every ~6 hours :) | 11:14 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, no, its kinda like a riser and has those levers for various functions like windshield wipers, lights, cruise control, etc | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | achipa: and south africa, and japan | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: oh, wiper control? | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: one of the sticks that comes out, anyway | 11:15 |
| achipa | crashanddie: I did say japan and I'll just shove .za into the 1/3 of the world :) | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: actually, you don't need to go very fast | 11:15 |
| Macer | http://gdgt.com/discuss/maemo-vs-android-what-makes-3nu/ | 11:15 |
| Macer | wow. what a load of crap. | 11:15 |
| Macer | :) | 11:15 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, no, its like the hub in which those levers and steering wheel sticks out of.. for left hand drive cars, you guys probably have to loop the cable of the car charger around that little riser thing so that you can plug it on the left I suppose lol | 11:16 |
| achipa | crashanddie: it's all Napoleon's fault anyway :) | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: and I was more talking of a motorbike :) | 11:16 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, well that's different :) I dunno about motorbikes, never owned one :D | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: and if you're into push bikes, definitely look into hub-mounted dynamos | 11:16 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, stuff that :D I'm on a transport with 4 wheels and a roof to boot ;) | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: I built my own light with 2 quad core LEDs + one high-beam LED, connected to the front wheel in-hub dynamo, and I have cars signalling me to go into low-beam | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | (which I can, with a small click) | 11:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:18 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, I've got one of those small six SMD LED as parkers, normal headlights on my car | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | audi? | 11:19 |
| psycho_oreos | no.. those small six SMD LED lights are aftermarket, almost custom made.. I think its a T10 wedge off my memory | 11:19 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture100/ledinside/product3.jpg | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | that's not a LED, that's a fucking HAND GRENADE | 11:20 |
| psycho_oreos | not very bright but looks nice, that's about it | 11:20 |
| psycho_oreos | haha, I have something similar to that for my rear lights, they lit up real well, I'm sure those drivers behind me seeing them light up when I either signal, brake or reverse will clearly see it :D | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | I need to lower the high-beam on my (motor) bike a bit though, if I have a passenger and accelerate, the beam disappears from the ground, and I can barely see anything | 11:22 |
| psycho_oreos | but they're not what I'm talking about.. *finds that link* | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: watch out, there's a max luminary output your car is allowed to have | 11:22 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, you mean by law or for safety purposes? | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | well, both | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | or actually that's kinda redundant lol, what I said | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | by law for safety :P | 11:23 |
| Izzeh | Sorry Phonic I was grabbing some food, so any way I can actually test to see if something is draining power and not using CPU? | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh yeah figures lol | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | you mean to not blind other drivers? :D | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: exactly | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: it's like the mist lamp | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | you can use the front ones, but not the rear ones | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | mist lamp? sounds like fog lights | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh yeah same diff | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: oh right, sorry, getting confused between languages | 11:24 |
| psycho_oreos | by law here, that's forbidden I think on normal rules | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | mist lamp is dutch, lol | 11:24 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, its funny but meh same thing I suppose :) | 11:24 |
| psycho_oreos | err normal roads, not normal rules | 11:24 |
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| crashanddie | well, the english do use the word mist, and also the world lamp, I figured it'd be OK :P | 11:25 |
| * psycho_oreos hasn't been pulled over for max luminosity with rear lights.. or yet .. -_- | 11:25 | |
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| psycho_oreos | well its close enough, fog is basically another word for mist lol | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | I think they just flash you a couple of times until you take it off, and then be done with it | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | They've got better things to do that stop people who are "a bit bright" | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | haven't had that happening either | 11:25 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | well, I guess they wouldn't be stopping a lot of people in Scotland :P | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | quite the contrary... "GOOOOO GET OFF, JUST FUCKEN GOOOOO" | 11:26 |
| psycho_oreos | lots of cops here will book you for anything | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: I got done (in France) for riding a pushbike in a bus lane, 90 euros. | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | it just depends on how lucky you are, with a really sh*tty one that had a bad day will pull almost anyone over | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | ouch | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | at 11PM, when there are no more busses running. | 11:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | try radar guns pointed at push bike users | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | yeah, heard about that in Bristol or something | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | book you for speeding on a bicycle | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | where you had the cops hiding behind a shed on the beachside | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | its more of a reality here in Australia | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: you in Oz? | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | yup | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | whereabouts? | 11:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | Brisvegas | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | I was in Brissie for a few months | 11:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | left about 2 months ago | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm on the slightly more south side of brissy | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | ah ok, I was just on the northern edge of the CBD | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I wouldn't have had my maemo then :) it only came to brissy few weeks ago | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | Spring Hill, all that | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | I saw a couple of guys with an N900 in the streets | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah they would have either purchased it from somewhere or off ebay | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: probably qt guys :P | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | I got mine on contract with a provider that provided it | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: that too | 11:29 |
| psycho_oreos | or that probably | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | well, one of the guys I talked to didn't work at Qt | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | he worked for... psycho_oreos what's that dodgy company that uses the Irish guy for their ads? | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | or is he scottish? Can't remember | 11:30 |
| psycho_oreos | Irish guy? hmm | 11:30 |
| Termana | crashanddie, insurance company? | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | no, bank I think | 11:30 |
| psycho_oreos | oh wait that sounds a little vaguely familiar | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | ING Direct? | 11:31 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: "They want me to peeeeee (pay) for them keeping my money? OUTRAGEOUS" | 11:31 |
| Termana | psycho_oreos, I think you hit the nail | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | that old guy with long hairs, almost like einstein? :) | 11:31 |
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| crashanddie | yeah | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh | 11:31 |
| crashanddie | Also known as Billy Connolly :) | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Termana, lol it just somehow came to my mind | 11:31 |
| psycho_oreos | I dunno who his to be frank, I wasn't easily moved by ads like every other people :) unless I get desperate :D | 11:32 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: you didn't win a nobel prize mate, you just remembered an ad, which means you watch waaaay too much television :P | 11:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, that's ok, I've sorta killed off that tv addiction :) thanks to the advent of internet which will soon be filtered thanks to conroy connection :) | 11:33 |
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| crashanddie | unless you saw that ad during TBYG, in which case you're excused. | 11:33 |
| psycho_oreos | TBYG? | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | Talking 'Bout your Generation | 11:33 |
| psycho_oreos | nah don't watch that | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: ever heard of SSH? | 11:33 |
| psycho_oreos | I only watch stuff on tv that interests me.. or otherwise its to kill time (rare) or whilst eating :) | 11:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, secure shell? | 11:34 |
| psycho_oreos | :D | 11:34 |
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| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: about $20 a month will buy you a dedicated server in France with a Linux distro, and you can route whatever you want through it :) | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | unlimited bandwidth, unthrottled | 11:34 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, yeah stuff like vps and proxies are handy but its still lame that there's this puppet who's advocating it like it is a must have as in to set an example for the rest of the western countries | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | he doesn't understand the issue | 11:36 |
| psycho_oreos | that's why I said he's a puppet | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | he's a political pawn pushed by companies who will make massive amounts of monies from it | 11:36 |
| psycho_oreos | he listened and thought that was a good thing and so he made it a big deal without using his brain like most pollies do anyway | 11:36 |
| crashanddie | the truth is, the pedophiles and whatnot are already using VPNs and their own encrypted networks in order to avoid any problems | 11:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | or in another analogy, to make child pronography and other banned sites more appealing | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | anyway its getting OT lol | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | doesn't matter, no one is talking | 11:37 |
| psycho_oreos | >< ok | 11:38 |
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| crashanddie | I just hate it when governments scream "Think of the Children" and try to push a law down the citizen's throat for no good reason, other than to show that they are the active political party and are still alive | 11:38 |
| psycho_oreos | sooner or later that filter will be broken down, already there's rebels against it, and plenty | 11:38 |
| crashanddie | And Australia is absolutely full of that | 11:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | not really, they're just idiots who think what the minority agrees to | 11:39 |
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| crashanddie | then vote them out | 11:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | already decided that but its pointless when next election is still far off | 11:39 |
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| crashanddie | then rebell | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | GO MILITIA | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | its already happening :) | 11:40 |
| Izzeh | vote sex party in my opinion | 11:40 |
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| crashanddie | OZZIE FREEDOM PARTY, UNTIE! | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | s/TIE/ITE/ | 11:40 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: OZZIE FREEDOM PARTY, UNITE! | 11:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time to wake up the gf | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | sex party is quite small, not trying to undermine them but then again | 11:41 |
| psycho_oreos | lol cya | 11:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | dc-11 is only big enough for one extra charge and a bit for n900 lol | 11:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | probably a good thing will soon be that I'll get that proporta turbousb charger, and hopefully I can daisychain the chargers and n900 | 11:43 |
| psycho_oreos | that'll solve the issue with puny battery issue with n900, but won't solve the laggy-ness issue with leaving phone on for 4 days | 11:44 |
| Izzeh | damnit solve my issue of the 4 hour battery life on idle x.x | 11:47 |
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| Izzeh | how can I tell what might be read/writing to drain it? lol | 11:47 |
| Izzeh | don't want to buy an extra battery :P | 11:48 |
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| Izzeh | or battery charger | 11:48 |
| Izzeh | my pockets are full as it is lol | 11:48 |
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| Izzeh | oh that can't be good | 11:51 |
| Izzeh | uninstalled kernel-power and phone stuck in reboot loop | 11:51 |
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| jacekowski | flash it while you still can | 11:52 |
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| Izzeh | good plan | 11:52 |
| Izzeh | lol | 11:52 |
| Izzeh | does charging work while in err 'flasher' mode? | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:53 |
| jacekowski | it's pita to flash after battery is discharged | 11:53 |
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| jacekowski | that's why you have to flash before battery goes belov i think 30% | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | below* | 11:54 |
| Izzeh | its probably below that now | 11:54 |
| Izzeh | lol | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | you can try to put it into r&d mode | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | and it might boot | 11:54 |
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| Izzeh | I couldn't care.. need an excuse to reflash anyway.. | 11:54 |
| jacekowski | well, you can't flash it now | 11:55 |
| Izzeh | last week the battery has been draining after 3-4 hours | 11:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | err, why can you only flash if the battery level is less than 30%? I've flashed my n900 with almost full charge without issues before | 11:57 |
| Izzeh | he said before 30%... implying it has to be above that | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | ah my bad | 11:58 |
| * psycho_oreos thinks his coffee mug is calling for a cup of coffee now | 11:59 | |
| Izzeh | alright flashed | 11:59 |
| Izzeh | and occurs to me now I could have done a kernel flash only | 12:00 |
| Izzeh | <.< | 12:00 |
| Izzeh | sigh.. redownloading 500 mb of apps | 12:00 |
| psycho_oreos | I sorta have a hack of doing that, making life a little more easier | 12:00 |
| Izzeh | lol | 12:00 |
| Izzeh | also occurs to me I may not have a backup | 12:01 |
| psycho_oreos | dpkg-repack :) and a script :) | 12:01 |
| Izzeh | manual reinstall: FTW | 12:01 |
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| Izzeh | all this could have been saved by a what? --flash-only=kernel | 12:01 |
| Izzeh | ? | 12:01 |
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| Izzeh | :'( | 12:01 |
| psycho_oreos | I think you could have removed power kernel I suppose | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | and it will put back original kernel | 12:02 |
| Izzeh | lol | 12:02 |
| Izzeh | wish titan would fix the bloody uninstall for it | 12:02 |
| Izzeh | last time I tried the icon it screwed things up as well | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O | 12:03 |
| chem|st | Izzeh: might happen with flash kernel only, for the backup: only the program installation is helped through everything else stays | 12:03 |
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| Macer | well. nice little experiment on this g1 to see if a factory/data wipe means "put my google information back in" | 12:06 |
| Macer | :) | 12:06 |
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| Izzeh | 19 day old backup.. this isn't going to end pretty for me :P | 12:09 |
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| Termana | Izzeh, learn to backup more often :) | 12:17 |
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| jacekowski | hmm what is reading /proc/bootreason | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | getbootstate | 12:51 |
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| jacekowski | is that all? | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | think so, maybe some init scripts | 12:53 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | OH NO | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | NOT ME! | 12:59 |
| crashanddie | We never lost control! | 12:59 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like dsme is not using bootreason | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | just bootstate | 13:00 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 13:16 |
| Scelt | llaih | 13:16 |
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| Andy80 | is the maemo.org karma system broken again? It's about 10 days that my karma is not updated (I published a product, sent some emails in mailing list, blogged, ecc....) | 13:16 |
| Scelt | ask mister mister... | 13:17 |
| Scelt | mister X-Fade | 13:17 |
| Scelt | X-Fade [~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade] | 13:17 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: ping :) | 13:17 |
| Scelt | and he's been idling for not more than 3 minutes so he should around | 13:18 |
| Scelt | maybe trying to avoid your bug report | 13:18 |
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| Termana | Apple iProduct: http://i.imgur.com/PdBHq.jpg | 13:21 |
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| Robot101 | Termana: so unbelievably old | 13:25 |
| Robot101 | Termana: but yeah, good, but still... :P | 13:26 |
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| alterego | I'm guessing instinctiv doesn't use mafw? | 13:38 |
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| alterego | Shit, voda discontinued N900, which means I probably can't get another one ... Even though it's still on their website. | 13:40 |
| Robot101 | alterego: yeah they told me in the shop a few weeks ago, pretty sad :( | 13:41 |
| Robot101 | the guy was like "oh, it runs linux or something, so it's not sold very well..." | 13:41 |
| haltdef | heh | 13:41 |
| Robot101 | so I threw myself off a nearby building | 13:41 |
| alterego | Damnit, I'm up for an upgrade next week and I wanted a second one :( | 13:41 |
| alterego | Robot101: hahah | 13:42 |
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| technomike | Hey guys :D | 14:08 |
| Dassu | hello | 14:09 |
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| kerio | can we inject packets? | 14:12 |
| kerio | i thought kernel-power allowed that, but apparently no | 14:13 |
| Andy80 | kerio: yes, you can | 14:14 |
| kerio | with aireplay-ng? | 14:14 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: nice info, thx a lot :) | 14:30 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: a bit "oh hell, from the bottom once again" but I'll figure it out :D | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | at least you know css? | 14:31 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yep :) | 14:36 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: and Illustrator :) | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:36 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: not that "ICanMakeAnything" like photoshop but :) | 14:37 |
| alterego | I didn't realize Nokia maps is a mozilla based app ... | 14:37 |
| D-Iivil_Work | wazd, what are you guys talking about? | 14:37 |
| alterego | file:///usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html | 14:37 |
| alterego | That actually, loads the app ... | 14:37 |
| alterego | Though it doesn't exactly work. It loads all the UI .. | 14:38 |
| technomike | that explains why there is no turn by turn navigation then | 14:38 |
| ham5 | should sure as shit load alot faster id think | 14:38 |
| alterego | technomike: erm, no it doesn't | 14:38 |
| technomike | Why is it not a native app? | 14:39 |
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| alterego | technomike: it is a native app. | 14:39 |
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| alterego | A native app that uses html/css & javascript for it's UI logic ... | 14:40 |
| alterego | The core is probably written in C++ | 14:40 |
| technomike | ah my confusion. sorry :) | 14:40 |
| technomike | On the subject of ovi maps, any news on turn by turn navigation yet? | 14:41 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, maybe next decade. | 14:41 |
| D-Iivil_Work | That's my guess. | 14:41 |
| technomike | hahaha | 14:41 |
| Appiah | :D | 14:42 |
| D-Iivil_Work | And Sygic's Mobile Maps 10 update will come out in next 50 years. They're double faster than Nokia. | 14:42 |
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| Appiah | tried the turn by turn on Mappero? | 14:42 |
| alterego | By turn-by-turn I'm guessing you mean voice guided navigation? | 14:42 |
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| technomike | Yep alterego | 14:42 |
| technomike | Appiah - Nope | 14:42 |
| alterego | Meh, I couldn't really care less. :) | 14:42 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Actually the Nokia Maps @ Maemo would be somehow usable if it had even the goddamn auto-re-calculate-route -function. | 14:43 |
| alterego | Route planning is about as much as I'd ever want tbh. | 14:43 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: yeah, that is anoying ... | 14:43 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I'm okay wathcing the route as drawn line @ map, but re-calculation is a MUST. | 14:43 |
| Appiah | D-Iivil_Work: +1 | 14:43 |
| alterego | Agreed. | 14:43 |
| technomike | Agreed D-Iivil_Work | 14:43 |
| D-Iivil_Work | That's why I went with Sygic. | 14:43 |
| Appiah | really? | 14:43 |
| technomike | I upgraded to n900 from n97, and n97 ovi maps is alot better tbh. | 14:44 |
| Appiah | seams so expensive | 14:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Appiah, it's only money ;) | 14:44 |
| Appiah | I'd rather buy a GPS unit | 14:44 |
| Appiah | D-Iivil_Work bling bling! | 14:44 |
| alterego | otoh, I think we might get full Ovi maps in the near future. | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, ping? | 14:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | But one thing that's bothers me with Sygic (and mostly the only one) is that I cannot search street name before I know which city the street is in. | 14:44 |
| technomike | alterego - Yeah hopefully anyway | 14:44 |
| alterego | Mainly because they must be almost done porting it all to Qt, so it should be XP | 14:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | And most of the times I don't know the city for sure. | 14:44 |
| chem|st | technomike: tried mappero yet? | 14:45 |
| technomike | Nope, going to check it out now :D | 14:45 |
| chem|st | has voice guiding too (not the best but it works | 14:45 |
| D-Iivil_Work | So in worst scenario I first have to open the Nokia Maps, search the street to know which city it's located and then open the Sygic... | 14:45 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | mappero is too laggy for my taste and it shows too little information on what's coming ahead you (the maps is centered). | 14:46 |
| Appiah | haha | 14:46 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: hahah, at least we have multitasking :P | 14:46 |
| chem|st | my dad was lost in nowhere and was handing over the map as he wasn't sure where to go, I popped up mappero and lead the way up to the house he was looking for | 14:46 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | I suggested that mappero would be changed in the way that your position is always on bottom of the screen so you could see as much information as possible on what's coming ahead of your position. | 14:46 |
| Rambo | technomike: chav? | 14:47 |
| technomike | D-Iivil_Work - Seen the ad for Sygic N900 maps on youtube, and the GUI looks nice. Especially for speed cameras and speed alerts. | 14:47 |
| technomike | Rambo - eh? | 14:47 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: what for? I dont need to know the turns after the next... | 14:47 |
| Rambo | technomike: do you know evilseph? | 14:48 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, well you need to zoom out very much to see the intersection early enough when driving on highway. | 14:48 |
| technomike | :S no | 14:48 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, and constant zooming in and out while driving is not something I want to do. | 14:48 |
| alterego | I'm working on my own "navigation" app at the moment. | 14:48 |
| alterego | Though mapping and routing is not really on the agenda at all. | 14:49 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: changing the pre-announce to related to driving speed is much more useful | 14:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, Sygic works very well, I'd give it 9/10 points. That one points is left off because that search function. | 14:49 |
| technomike | Yeah | 14:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, will it do the zooming automaticly or what? | 14:49 |
| technomike | Sounds disappointing | 14:49 |
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| technomike | that you have to go into ovi maps to find out | 14:49 |
| technomike | but oh well | 14:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, yeah. I'd like to be able search just with the street name and it would return all the streets in all cities that have that street and I could just pick the one I want to. | 14:50 |
| technomike | Do you guys know any media players that have an equalizer function to improve the bass? | 14:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, symphony | 14:50 |
| ham5 | just need an equalizer function not a new player | 14:50 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Or was it symfonie. | 14:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Can't remember the name. | 14:51 |
| John123 | technomike: you must be a different tm | 14:51 |
| technomike | ham5 - Ideally yeah if its possible | 14:51 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, there's eq-plugin for default player. Can't remember the name though. | 14:52 |
| technomike | Oh :o that would be brilliant | 14:52 |
| technomike | Will have a search around. Thanks :) | 14:52 |
| John123 | technomike: do you have twitter? | 14:53 |
| D-Iivil_Work | It takes a bit of battery and AFAIK it affects to all sounds on your system. | 14:53 |
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| technomike | John123 - I don't | 14:53 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, here it is: http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=MAFW_Equalizer&fldAuto=1475&faq=34 | 14:53 |
| technomike | many thanks | 14:54 |
| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, here's a link for more recent release: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafweqrenderer | 14:54 |
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| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: the function is not implemented | 14:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, ? | 14:58 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: zooming automatically | 14:58 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, aa that. Still would prefer the positioning differently than zooming in and out. | 14:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, just like it's done with every other satnav. | 14:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, except Nokia Maps Maemo -version :P | 14:59 |
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| PhonicUK | i just got mupen installed | 14:59 |
| PhonicUK | and all i have to say is | 14:59 |
| PhonicUK | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT | 14:59 |
| kerio | PhonicUK: pfff | 15:00 |
| PhonicUK | its supprisngly fast :| | 15:00 |
| John123 | technomike: im sure i know you | 15:00 |
| John123 | not many people use "technomike" | 15:00 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: the position should depend on your speed and/or zoom the pos of the next WP for better view | 15:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | John123, sounds creepy :P | 15:00 |
| John123 | D-Iivil_Work: not really | 15:01 |
| John123 | ive seen that nick before | 15:01 |
| chem|st | PhonicUK: mupen? | 15:01 |
| technomike | Thanks, what release is the best to use out of the two. MTR and MGR. I am not sure what it means. | 15:01 |
| kerio | wait, on the n900? | 15:01 |
| technomike | D-Iivil_Work ^ | 15:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, I think your position should be static and always at the "bottom" of the screen (in case that map autorotates) | 15:01 |
| PhonicUK | chem|st, N64 emulator | 15:01 |
| PhonicUK | it works really well | 15:01 |
| John123 | technomike: I KNOW YOU! | 15:01 |
| technomike | Eh? | 15:01 |
| John123 | did you live in greece? | 15:01 |
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| PhonicUK | Mario 64 without sound is full speed without overclock | 15:01 |
| PhonicUK | 1 frame skip | 15:01 |
| technomike | John123 - No lol I live in UK | 15:01 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | technomike, I think you need to install them both. Not sure, never used it myself. Google that plugin and it will lead to you thread @ tmo. Maybe there's more info | 15:02 |
| kerio | gaah nokia multimedia transfer SUCKS BAWLS | 15:02 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: in town this is sometime not realy useful while you are looking for a way around the block cause the road is blocked | 15:02 |
| John123 | technomike: you used to live in greece | 15:02 |
| John123 | and you moved back here | 15:02 |
| chem|st | PhonicUK: ok so nothing special... | 15:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, hmm... but you still don't have to see what's behind you, don't you ;) | 15:02 |
| PhonicUK | chem|st, why do you say that? this is pretty significant for the N900 | 15:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, or at least I'm not intrested in what's behind me when I'm driving. I'm more into what's coming ahead. | 15:03 |
| chem|st | I had that case as the route calculated was behind me | 15:03 |
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| chem|st | PhonicUK: yes its significant that linux runs all kinds of emulators pretty fast if they are old... N64 is from the 90's | 15:04 |
| PhonicUK | its significant that a handheld device can do it fast enough to be playable | 15:05 |
| chem|st | even my 300MHz desktop ran an N64 emulator without framedrops | 15:05 |
| kerio | :o | 15:05 |
| kerio | well, my N64 ran N64 games without framedrops | 15:06 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 15:06 |
| Appiah | "N64 is from the 90's | 15:06 |
| Appiah | " | 15:06 |
| Appiah | I feel old | 15:06 |
| PhonicUK | I had a 350MHz K6-2 that could just about play Mario 64 at full speed | 15:06 |
| chem|st | PhonicUK: I don't want to tell you off mate! | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: ham5: there's hardware EQ in AIC34 Audio Codec chip. Just no interface in ALSA :-/( | 15:06 |
| kerio | Appiah: i finished super mario 64 with 120 stars last weekend | 15:06 |
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| PhonicUK | in 1 particular emulator, i cant remember what it was called | 15:06 |
| Appiah | kerio: :) | 15:06 |
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| PhonicUK | it only played a small number of games well | 15:06 |
| PhonicUK | Corn :D | 15:07 |
| PhonicUK | that was it | 15:07 |
| chem|st | PhonicUK: it's just that emulators +10 years ago don't make me wank but play some games I used to play on the real hardware back in the days | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: | 15:08 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna make a wireless N64 controller | 15:08 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, any ideas if the vibra motor breaks if run at 255 for too long? | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | for short times should not | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | it has a limited life - few hours? | 15:09 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, what are you doing :D A dildo out of N900? | 15:09 |
| Corsac | don't ask questions you don't really want the answer | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil_Work, lmao, no | 15:09 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: short time means less than 10 seconds, should not hurt | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, so it can't run for say, 12h? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ham5: technomike: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-03.log.html#t2010-07-03T03:16:50 | 15:10 |
| LinuxCode | MohammadAG51, haha | 15:10 |
| LinuxCode | 12 hours | 15:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, didlo widget? :D Comes with condom to put on before use? | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | someone's motor's broken, it was just a suggestion | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | this channel's full of pervs lol | 15:10 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: you can run it for a few minutes I guess | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I would expect it to - however - maybe not many days of that | 15:10 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: the motor will get hot pretty fast | 15:11 |
| chem|st | they are not designed to run constantly for a long time | 15:11 |
| asj_ | I really think a good hardware mod would be vibra motor that really vibrates | 15:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | chem|st: it's not actually dissipating that much power | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744805&postcount=10 | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's physically of a moderate size | 15:12 |
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| help | hey, I followed some direction on the maemo forum for an out of space message I was getting saying I couldnt store incoming text messages | 15:12 |
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| Guest13526 | hey, I followed some direction on the maemo forum for an out of space message I was getting saying I couldnt store incoming text messages | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: the motor isn't designed for 100.000s of hours lifetime, but it shurely should survive a few 100h. Given it's not operating at >100% on 255 | 15:12 |
| Guest13526 | now none of the messages I get show up in the conversations app | 15:12 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: true... isnt the speed in this case the cut? | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | speed? | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: anyway I never seen datasheets of vibrator units (you usually buy the whole unit incl excenter mass from a components manuf) | 15:13 |
| chem|st | if you let it spin for longer than 1 second it gets on top speed | 15:14 |
| chem|st | Guest13526: no idea | 15:14 |
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| Guest13526 | i uninstalled some stuff and removed some stuff | 15:16 |
| asj_ | DocScrutinizer: after a few hundred hours I wonder if the phone wold survive. With that soft of constant vibration is may start to either wiggle cables loose or who knows what damage. The n900 isnt designed for a vibration environment | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: the motor of vib obviously has to withstand a continuous 100% operation of some minutes, as that's what you'd expect as a normal usecase for signalling. It won't heat up after 2min I'd guess, as the system is sufficiently small to find a equilibrum after 1..2min | 15:16 |
| Guest13526 | but conky still shows /home as full - why? | 15:17 |
| _0x47 | where should I put libraries in? is /usr/lib/ fine? (talking about packaging) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj_: cables mustn't come loose after prolonged periods of vibrations, as that would create a building up effect that could hit the device after 1/2 a year with many inbound calls. Also there are rather harsh specs for amount (both in amplitude and duration) of vibration the device has to survive in PV tests | 15:19 |
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| _0x47 | please anyone, I have no time left :/ | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, go ahead | 15:20 |
| _0x47 | k thanks, just thought I might have to save space | 15:20 |
| _0x47 | like using /opt | 15:20 |
| _0x47 | kk but thanks! | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | _0x47: generally you should optify your usr/lib stuff | 15:21 |
| timeless_mbp | and have symlinks | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | that should be dealt with by optification creating symlinks from /usr/lib to /opt/whatever | 15:21 |
| asj_ | DocScrutinizer: mmm, ok...still pretty far outside the norm | 15:21 |
| _0x47 | is there a tool? or would I have to create the symlinks myself? | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | _0x47: there's some optification tool, but I don't know it | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | _0x47: aiui it does pretty much all for you | 15:22 |
| _0x47 | aiui is the name? | 15:23 |
| _0x47 | lol | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf aiui | 15:23 |
| infobot | AIUI: as I understand it | 15:23 |
| _0x47 | oh lol | 15:23 |
| D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, you're talking about using the maemo-optify -function in rules file? | 15:23 |
| _0x47 | D-Iivil_Work: tell more | 15:23 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | _0x47, hold on a sec. | 15:24 |
| _0x47 | k | 15:24 |
| D-Iivil_Work | _0x47, put this onto your rules -file: maemo-optify $(PKGNAME) | 15:24 |
| D-Iivil_Work | _0x47, under binary-indep | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: thanks! yes that's what I had in mind | 15:25 |
| _0x47 | let me try | 15:25 |
| D-Iivil_Work | _0x47, can't remember if there was something else to do also. | 15:25 |
| D-Iivil_Work | _0x47, then the autobuilder will "optify" the package. | 15:25 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I mean hot in terms of warm not melting, like the gps when powering up | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: that's a complex topc. But first very simple take is: nothing must break by keeping it active | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil_Work, he needs maemo-optify in build deps and the $(PKGNAME) isn't really needed :) | 15:27 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sure it doesn't, but those beasts are known to brake | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: otherwise (if it were) then kernel driver had to assure the constraints are kept | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | also, echo "auto" > debian/rules _should_ optify packages | 15:27 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, might very well be true since I don't really know anything about packaging :D | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | (didn't work for mc though) | 15:27 |
| chem|st | well the last I know not the motor broke but the controller | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: NOOO | 15:27 |
| Wolfie | just trying a potshot: is there a way to convert a 64-char WPA2 hex key into a usable max-63-char passphrase? | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh hey X-Fade | 15:27 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: debian/optify, not debian/rules :) | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | typo | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | my bad | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 15:28 |
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| X-Fade | Otherwise you break your package badly. | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | i know xD | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | i just typed that w/o thinking about it though | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: :-P | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, blacklist guy back from holidays? :P | 15:28 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, from what moment is the "ten days quarantee" calculated with packages @ extras-testing? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think when it gets into testing | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Girl and no, I think monday she's back. | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: from the moment it gets imported into testing. | 15:29 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, so it's not from when the tenth plus vote came or? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | what he said ^ | 15:29 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, well.. why can't I promote this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.000/ | 15:29 |
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| kerio | because everybody hates themes | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | xP | 15:30 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, oh.. my bad. It's been on testing since 30.6. | 15:30 |
| Appiah | haters | 15:30 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, yeah, the do. | 15:30 |
| D-Iivil_Work | +y | 15:30 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: You will automatically receive an email once it is unlocked. | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | i don't hate themes, I hate UIs :P | 15:31 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, yeah, that I know :) I just didn't remember the date I promoted it to testing correctly. | 15:31 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, should have checked it before asking stupid questions :D | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Most of the time, computers can count quite well and should not be doubted ;) | 15:32 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, lol :P | 15:32 |
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| X-Fade | Indeed, indeed. | 15:33 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Hmm.. got "new" N900 today, battery is definitely lasting better with this one than the one that's being repaired atm. | 15:34 |
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| me1ne | hola guys, can I flash the n900 without a USB cable/PC? | 15:36 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kernel, yes, anything else, no | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, you could use another N900 when host mode works | 15:37 |
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| me1ne | so that would not revert any changes made by a program i installed earlier? | 15:37 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, still there? | 15:38 |
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| me1ne | the thing is I have been trying to get sixaxis to work and got as far as it asking for connection over and over, putting "input" out and into the disabled modules in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf didn't do anything for me | 15:39 |
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| me1ne | people on the boards had the same problem which would be solved by either this "input" line or a reflash. | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | stop bluetoothd; sleep 1; start bluetoothd | 15:42 |
| shukla | I am newbie at maemo. recently installed maemo 5 on ubuntu 10.04. Successfully installled GTK hello world application. But right now I am facing problems with scratchbox login. | 15:44 |
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| shukla | it says Scratchbox is not properly set up! | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | tried rebooting? | 15:45 |
| shukla | Yep.. | 15:45 |
| me1ne | MohammadAG51 : same old thing, asks over and over without effect on tapping "yes" - yeah I reboot all the time ^^ | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | me1ne, reinstall the joydev kernel module | 15:46 |
| me1ne | roger | 15:46 |
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| _0x47 | D-Iivil_Work, MohammadAG51: I tried, and it didn't really work. Guess this might be related to my weird debian/rules file. http://pastebin.com/JdiwUnXa Any idea? (I added maemo-optify to build-depends tho) | 16:01 |
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| _0x47 | The binary-indep section was missing before, i copied it from a working package of mine | 16:01 |
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| _0x47 | this one is just ported, so i dunno why it looks so weird | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | debhelper7? | 16:02 |
| _0x47 | yes | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | not sure if that uses the same syntax | 16:03 |
| _0x47 | i tried using v 5, but that failed | 16:03 |
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| _0x47 | so you can't help me out? or are you investigating? | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | try to use the debian/optify method | 16:06 |
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| _0x47 | i didn't quite understand how to do so, was reading the wiki and the readme. but it's really confusing :/ would I just have to echo 'auto' > debian/optify, and make it a build-dependency? | 16:07 |
| _0x47 | or run maemo-optify-deb on the .deb? | 16:07 |
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| _0x47 | MohammadAG51? | 16:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | _0x47, just make a file named optify in debian/ and add auto to it | 16:12 |
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| E0x | i ask this in forum but not reply asking here again: can i test other program that are no write in QT in the QT simulator ? like python program ? | 16:14 |
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| E0x | or i need to go for the scratchbox ? | 16:14 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG51: ok thanks! One last question about Debian packaging. If I change the debian/rules, but did not change the .dsc .changes and .original.tar.gz myself, will the autobilder know about it. Better: Will dpkg-buildpackage automatically add these changes to the described files? | 16:14 |
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| _0x47 | Just wondering, because until now I always manually gzipped the changes back to the sources file :/ | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | huh? | 16:16 |
| PhonicUK | hey Mohammad :) | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey PhonicUK | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | _0x47: you have to modify changelog | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | _0x47: and dpkg-buildpackage will do everything | 16:17 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG51: Err, I i did "echo 'auto' > debian/optify" right? now I'd run dpkg-buildpackage again. This creates the .changes .dsc files and stuff. But I'm unsure if the new "optfiy" file is added automatically to the sources, which I will upload to the autobuilder, know what I mean? | 16:18 |
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| _0x47 | Changelog was modified once | 16:18 |
| _0x47 | To point out that it was ported. | 16:18 |
| _0x47 | but I did build it after that and again modify the sources, leaving the changelog unmodified tho | 16:18 |
| _0x47 | wuold that be enough? | 16:19 |
| _0x47 | I can't modify the changelog on every tiny change I did :/ | 16:19 |
| kerio | yes you can | 16:19 |
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| kerio | well, on every repackage | 16:19 |
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| _0x47 | kerio: The question is: Would I have to change the changelog if I didn't upload it? I mean, if I change some parts, I do a dpkg-buildpackage just to see if it works. I do that quite often, so that would really mess it up | 16:20 |
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| _0x47 | I would just bump the version to infinty :D | 16:21 |
| me1ne | MohammadAG51: I'm not too familiar with all this, here's what I have found out. | 16:21 |
| me1ne | modprobe -l shows "joydev.ko" but in /proc/modules there is nothing with a similar name... does that mean it's just not loaded? | 16:21 |
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| kwtm | Hi. If I find an interesting package in http://maemo.org/packages/ (which only shows which versions were submitted when to fremantle extras-devel or whatever), how do I get more information of the type found in "http://maemo.org/downloads/product/"? (For example, CallerIDwidget --I want to know if it controls whether MY number is displayed to other callers, or whether incoming callers' numbers are displayed on my n900) | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | _0x47, you only need to modify the changelog file when you upload it | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | the optify file is added to the tar.gz, unless you're using a diff file to apply changes then it will be added by patch | 16:23 |
| _0x47 | that's the answer i like to hear :) thanks | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me1ne: to check for loaded modules, use lsmod | 16:27 |
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| me1ne | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK lsmod just parses that file I mentioned | 16:28 |
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| kerio | the openoffice splash screen looks weird | 16:28 |
| kerio | why is that? | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's stretched to fit the whole screen | 16:29 |
| kerio | not within lxde | 16:29 |
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| MohammadAG | thought you were using debbie | 16:29 |
| kerio | even when OCing, openoffice is slooooooooow | 16:30 |
| me1ne | feel free to optimize it for ARM kerio :) | 16:31 |
| kerio | me1ne: heh | 16:31 |
| kerio | gaah why the stupid easy debian always resets my settings | 16:31 |
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| FIQ | does RAM and rootfs sit on same NAND chip? | 16:33 |
| kwtm | If I enabled extras-devel just to install an app known to be stable (mc = Midnight Commander) and then disabled extras-devel again, then when I restore a backup, will AppManager re-enable extras-devel to restore "mc"? Does this mean it will try to update all the other apps and libraries from extras-devel (risking installing buggy packages)? | 16:33 |
| kerio | kwtm: it'll just fail to reinstall mc i think | 16:33 |
| kwtm | kerio: Thanks. I hope that's what it does. | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | mc is in testing | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | we had this conversation before | 16:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | FIQ: one wouldn't stick RAM into a NAND ... | 16:34 |
| FIQ | ah | 16:34 |
| * FIQ fail then | 16:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | the RAM is hopefully somewhere near the cpu | 16:35 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Actually, we didn't, since this is my first time restoring after installing mc. However, you are right in that I have previously mentioned the character string "mc", yes. | 16:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and access to RAM should be much faster than access to NAND | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | kwtm, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's in -testing, not -devel | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | test and vote for it and it should be in extras :) | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | kwtm: packages are only offered if they can be found in your enabled repositories | 16:36 |
| timeless_mbp | backup doesn't enable repositories automatically for you | 16:36 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Congratulations on the promotion to -testing; however, when I installed it, I installed from extras-devel. I have never used extras-testing before. | 16:36 |
| kwtm | Does that mean that my n900 won't be able to find it if I just enable extras-devel? | 16:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | kwtm: packages generally don't *disappear* from a given repository | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | they can *appear* (suddenly) in additional repositories | 16:37 |
| timeless_mbp | but repositories generally only accumulate junk | 16:37 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Thanks. That's what I suspected, but I wanted to see if the Backup app would remember which repositories I got the packages from, and to see if it would automatically enable the repository. | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | backup doesn't care which repository provided a package | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | the application list is like a shopping list | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | "eggs | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | butter | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | milk | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | juice | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | bread" | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | application manager goes shopping and picks the best of each | 16:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't care who's selling | 16:38 |
| alterego | Well, that was nice and easy. | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | or more importantly | 16:39 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: I would love to test and vote for it. Is there any web page where I can vote? I see that maemo.org/packages only provides bare-bones information. | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | when you go home and put the eggs, butter, milk, juice and bread away | 16:39 |
| alterego | (Implementing the toggle fullscreen button when in fullscreen) :) | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | no one can look at your home and *know* where you got them from | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: hme got promoted? | 16:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so when they make the list of things to get later, they can't make a list that says "oh, i need to get milk from <x>" | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | because the milk they see doesn't indicate where it came from | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | any milk will do | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | newer milk would be better | 16:40 |
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| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Good analogy; but I wanted to know whether the Backup App would be able to fully restore a copy of the backup. If the backup says I had smoked salmon in my home, and my home by default does not come with a neighbourhood gourmet store, will the Backup App know that I had gotten it from the specialty gourmet store across town? | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | nope | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | well, not exactly | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the backup can record a list of repositories too | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | think of it this way | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | and will | 16:41 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: And, to follow the "newer milk" analogy, will the Backup App say, "Hey, there's newer milk from Dodgy-FlyByNight-Grocery! I'll get it from there!" when Dodgy-FlyByNight is not in the default store list? | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | if i buy a cheese cake from the cheese cake factory | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and bring it to you | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and stick it into your refrigerator | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | and someone comes to your house and catalogs your items | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no way for the cataloger to know where you got it from | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have contracts to take deliveries from the milk man | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | then the guy who records your inventory can also take down the list of providers | 16:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the backup iirc also can record the list of repositories you have | 16:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | but it's a current list | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't related to the goods you have in stock | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | if you stopped doing business with that milk man | 16:43 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: Understood. So one of these following must be true: either "1. Backup App does not restore the apps fully", or "2. Backup App automatically re-enables repositories I have disabled". | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and still had milk | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | if you installed mc from -devel, disabled devel, backed up, then restored, it will restore only the repos you had enabled when you backed up -> no -devel restored | 16:44 |
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| kwtm | Okay, I see that it is the former: "mc" was not reinstalled. (No big deal, but I just have to know.) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: also of disabled repos? or should I rather enable all catalogs prior to backup-ing? | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | if you have -testing enabled it will install mc | 16:44 |
| timeless_mbp | kwtm: cat ~/.hildon-application-manager/packages.backup | 16:44 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Oh! Interesting! So if I enabled the -devel repository at backup, then it will re-enable the -devel repository. I see! | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | it restores disabled repos as disabled iirc | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 16:45 |
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| kwtm | Hmm, I wonder, if I re-enable -devel, whether it would be able to know that "mc" is still waiting to be restored? | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | is mc an example in this case? | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG | the same version in -devel is in -testing | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hhm, so the practice to enable extras-devel temporarily for installing a particular app and disabling it immediately - this seems to be begging for trouble on retore then | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need -devel to install mc | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it only grays out packages that aren't available in the repos | 16:47 |
| kwtm | timeless_mbp: If you say that packages don't disappear from -devel, but can appear in -testing or "^extras$", then I could just stick with the -devel repository but only install packages known to be in -testing (say) to stay safe, right? Or would the version in -devel be buggier than -testing? | 16:47 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Well, I don't mind installing from -devel. I just wanted to know if Backup App would re-enable -devel automatically (which puts the rest of my updates at risk). So that question's been answered. | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | buggier, that's questionable. But newer of course | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | or it could be the same version | 16:48 |
| kwtm | So I really should enable -testing, and not just snag from -devel, then. | 16:48 |
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| kwtm | MohammadAG: Anyway, I really appreciate your packaging "mc". Where do I go to vote? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | heh it's not my package/port/app, I only optified it, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ | 16:49 |
| * MohammadAG pokes alterego ^ | 16:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: duh - so what's new in mc? | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 16:49 |
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| alterego | yessir? | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | read up | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:51 |
| alterego | You want me to test something? | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | doh | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:52 |
| kwtm | Hmm.. I can't seem to log in to maemo.org/packages to vote. Is it a separate login from talk.maemo.org? | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 16:52 |
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| D-Iivil | home sweet home. | 16:55 |
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| _0x47 | MohammadAG: It worked the debian/optify way | 16:59 |
| _0x47 | :) | 16:59 |
| kwtm | Hi D-Iivil. Welcome home. You must be D-Iivil_Work's brother. | 16:59 |
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| me1ne | this sixaxis stuff is driving me mad | 17:00 |
| kwtm | Extras has not only "rsync" but "grsync"?? I am in heaven!! | 17:01 |
| kwtm | ?? MohammadAG, I don't see mc in extras-testing, and my n900 just updated the repositories. | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | don't you already have it installed? | 17:03 |
| PhonicUK | me1ne, having problems with a PS3 controller? | 17:04 |
| kwtm | No, I just reflashed my n900. (Had to test the flasher from Windows since I can't always carry my Ubuntu laptop to reflash if my phone fails.) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ <-- well it is in testing | 17:04 |
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| kwtm | So, for those who actually remember conversations with me from a few days ago: I have since reflashed my device, and then used Backup App to restore the device (hence my questions). | 17:05 |
| me1ne | PhonicUK : very much so :) It keeps asking for connection over and over, that's how far I got. I assume I got the "write BT MAC to Pad" part right | 17:05 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: I believe you --I even tried to vote. But how come mc is not listed as an app I can install, even though I've enabled Extras-testing? Will it show an error if I typed the repository URL wrong? (I think I got it right, though.) | 17:06 |
| PhonicUK | me1ne, just to check - have you tried to use any other BT HIDs before now? | 17:06 |
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| kwtm | Trying to uninstall "mc" from App Manager confirms that I actually do NOT have "mc" already installed. | 17:06 |
| me1ne | PhonicUK: yes, a keyboard, couldn't get it to work either | 17:06 |
| PhonicUK | ok, did you have to change your bluetooth daemon settings? | 17:07 |
| me1ne | I changed nothing manually | 17:07 |
| PhonicUK | okay | 17:07 |
| PhonicUK | and obviously you've got the sixaxis package installed and have rebooted the device? | 17:07 |
| me1ne | all I did was install the sixaxis-support and sixad packages from extras | 17:07 |
| me1ne | lots of reboots, yep^^ | 17:08 |
| PhonicUK | ok so the problem is probaly in the pairing itself | 17:08 |
| me1ne | meh, maybe due to no genuine controller then :( | 17:09 |
| PhonicUK | aaah | 17:09 |
| wazd | From talk: "Our screens dont have retina or amoled technologies" | 17:09 |
| me1ne | it is a "premium" controller | 17:09 |
| PhonicUK | is it sony made? | 17:10 |
| me1ne | works flawlessly on PC, no, it's not a Sony. | 17:10 |
| wazd | seriously, where are they all living... | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | did you use sixpair on a linux box? | 17:10 |
| me1ne | nope, the windows method | 17:10 |
| nidO | wazd that whole post/thread is just a /facepalm | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | try the linux method | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | it worked fine for me by using a virtual machine | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | this is the guide i followed: | 17:11 |
| PhonicUK | http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2010/02/play-games-on-nokia-n900-with-ps3-sixaxis-controller/ | 17:11 |
| me1ne | hmkay, gonna give it a try, thanks so far | 17:11 |
| PhonicUK | no worries | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | it won't work on a non genuine controller | 17:11 |
| PhonicUK | i suspected so | 17:11 |
| me1ne | I get as far as it asking - a problem identical to those experienced by genuine controller users.. that's why I'm keeping my hope up | 17:12 |
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| PhonicUK | the most common problems are configuration issues from having previously used other bluetooth HID setups, or not getting it to pair correctly | 17:12 |
| me1ne | and it was 7€ new shipping included ;) | 17:12 |
| PhonicUK | get a 1st party controller from ebay :P | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: o.O | 17:12 |
| PhonicUK | I have a PS3 so i just took my 2nd controller and used that | 17:13 |
| wazd | nidO: I wish people discussed some real problems that hard | 17:13 |
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| me1ne | yeah will eventually, but before I'll try everything else^^ | 17:13 |
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| PhonicUK | lol k | 17:13 |
| lardman | afternoon all | 17:13 |
| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 17:13 |
| PhonicUK | afternoon | 17:13 |
| lardman | hi PhonicUK | 17:13 |
| wazd | lardman: o/ | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: ""I want an app to scan my fingerprint by placing finger on touchscreen"" ?? | 17:13 |
| lardman | hey wazd | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | lardman: hi | 17:13 |
| lardman | hi X-Fade, how's things? | 17:14 |
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| PhonicUK | lol! | 17:14 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: I want retina technology in my screen :D | 17:14 |
| lardman | X-Fade: Is it allowed to create a wiki page about a specific app - i.e. mBarcode? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:14 |
| galatage | on maemo, how to identify the debian packages uniquely? is there any similar concept of unique ids as in Symbian? | 17:14 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: and my fridge :) | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Why not? | 17:14 |
| hardaker | I want my screen in my retna | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and swimmng pool | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | galatage, package names are unique | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | no two may share the same name | 17:14 |
| lardman | X-Fade: just thought I'd check ;) | 17:14 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: wouldn't want my avatar to vanish completely after all :D | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | nah ;) | 17:15 |
| lardman | any particular section in that case? | 17:15 |
| galatage | PhonicUK, so as names may clash, is there anything which might be unique ? | 17:16 |
| PhonicUK | galatage, names cannot clash | 17:16 |
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| galatage | PhonicUK, also can these package names be localized to specific locale ? | 17:17 |
| PhonicUK | no, the package names are constant across all locales | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | as a debian package name, no, as a name in the app manager, yes | 17:17 |
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| PhonicUK | ^ that | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: hahaha | 17:18 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | XB-Maemo-Display-Name-en_GB: | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | replace the en_GB with the language you want, and the name will be localized in app manager | 17:18 |
| wazd | btw, maybe someone can help me with this: am I able to use built in maemo icons in my software? | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: gave a shit of a hard time till I managed to find "UKW Radio" instead if FM-radio in HAM | 17:19 |
| wazd | for toolbar or something | 17:19 |
| PhonicUK | Is it possible to replace my N900s kernel without completely reflashing? | 17:19 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna try overclocking it | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: searching for FM not even gave me a hit for FM-radio :-S | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R | 17:19 |
| PhonicUK | :s | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | it's only flashing /dev/mtd3 | 17:20 |
| PhonicUK | on the device itself? | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | if you want to flash on device either use a fiasco image with a zImage and fiasco-image-update or use softupd -v --local then flasher -k zImage -f -R | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | well | 17:20 |
| galatage | MohammadAG: so but if i use dpkg -l to check what all the packages are installed using console, then I should get the standard engineering english names for these packages isn't it ? | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need -R, just reboot | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | galatage, yes | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | or maemo-list-user-packages to get the packages in user/ sections | 17:21 |
| PhonicUK | is there a recent guide to overclocking post PR 1.2? | 17:21 |
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| nidO | blah, still no reliable way to get non-hid bluetooth keyboards hooked up :( | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to hate the whole apt&repo&usersection&HAM mess | 17:22 | |
| MohammadAG | non-HID keyboards need to die | 17:22 |
| nidO | but I lub mine :( | 17:22 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna try out that bluetooth laser keyboard that I see now and then | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: there is: just _don't do it_ | 17:22 |
| kerio | PhonicUK: apt-get install kernel-power-flasher | 17:22 |
| nidO | PhonicUK: thats the keyboard i have | 17:23 |
| kerio | kernel-load ideal | 17:23 |
| kerio | there | 17:23 |
| PhonicUK | why not? I'm not exactly a novice to overclocking :P | 17:23 |
| nidO | the one by celluon | 17:23 |
| nidO | but its a serial connection | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: even worse for you | 17:23 |
| PhonicUK | why? | 17:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangerous false knowledge | 17:23 |
| PhonicUK | I know about the particular SoC being used and its different power states | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 17:24 |
| PhonicUK | and the different voltage levels it has available at different frequencies | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you are aware it *WILL* damage your hardware (though not necessarily _break_)... | 17:25 |
| PhonicUK | I understand that increasing the voltage reduces the lifespan of the transistors | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: that's where half knowledge starts. Check SmartReflex(R) | 17:26 |
| lardman | X-Fade: done, thanks | 17:26 |
| lardman | bbl | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: it's not the voltage but the current that reduces the transistors' lifespan. And you can't adjust the current directly by adjusting e.g. core voltage, as there's SmartReflex interfering with your Vcore settings | 17:27 |
| PhonicUK | I se | 17:28 |
| PhonicUK | 8see | 17:28 |
| PhonicUK | **see | 17:28 |
| korhojoa | also the switching frequency does have an impact | 17:29 |
| korhojoa | more state changes: more migration | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:29 |
| technomike | Im in a shell | 17:29 |
| technomike | done sudo gainroot | 17:29 |
| technomike | cd MyDocs | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and SR will ramp up voltage/current for singe function blocks, no matter what you do to global Vcore | 17:30 |
| PhonicUK | I like the idea of having a lower frequency for being idle | 17:30 |
| PhonicUK | 125 instead of 250 | 17:30 |
| technomike | can't cd to mydocs | 17:30 |
| technomike | Any idea why not? | 17:30 |
| Izzeh | cd /home/user/MyDocs | 17:30 |
| nidO | you need the full path | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | technomike: because it is case sensitive. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: Idle means 0Hz, not 250MHz | 17:30 |
| PhonicUK | does the SoC actually support the idle state? | 17:30 |
| technomike | X-Fade - thanks alot man. my mistake. | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and 125MHz is known to be instable | 17:30 |
| technomike | worked X-Fade | 17:31 |
| technomike | :) | 17:31 |
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| kerio | PhonicUK: the kernel-power has a lot of extra useful things | 17:32 |
| kerio | including a way to load power settings | 17:33 |
| PhonicUK | such as? | 17:33 |
| PhonicUK | is there anything that I need to do other than install kernel-power? | 17:33 |
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| kerio | install kernel-power-flasher | 17:33 |
| kerio | (it has kernel-power has a dependancy) | 17:33 |
| kerio | then reboot | 17:33 |
| chem|st | D-Iivil_Work: for mappero, have you noticed the "lead" option? | 17:33 |
| kerio | then you can use kernel-config load $name to load the settings | 17:34 |
| kerio | "ideal" is popular | 17:34 |
| kerio | but you may want to make your own | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no he won't | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, did you see wifi-signal-applet? | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | just noticed it in the repos | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the default is clearly the best setting, except you did _really_ in-depth research about how your usecase is significantly different to the average | 17:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: why this hatred against overclockers? | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ??? | 17:36 |
| kerio | assuming they are correctly warned of the risks and won't come back whining to you when everything goes boom | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | what hatred? | 17:36 |
| kerio | nothing, nothing | 17:36 |
| PhonicUK | you do seem a little agressive on the subject, DocScrutinizer. I'm sure its not intentional but it comes of that way just a little | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's just how people who think they know all (even better) percept reasonable comment | 17:36 |
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| kwtm | !?? mc is not in extras-devel either. Now I recall that I had installed in via command-line. Hmm... | 17:38 |
| galatage | MohammadAG, how to use this maemo-list-user-packages? is it a command or package ? | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG:P yes | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC it caused me to lose internets | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | galatage, just type it in terminal | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | kwtm, not sure what your problem is, I just saw it in app manager | 17:39 |
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| kwtm | MohammadAG: I'm not sure either. I enabled extras-devel and extras-testing (one at a time), and after each change it said "checking for updates". New apps appeared but not mc. | 17:40 |
| galatage | MohammadAG, is it applicable for harmattan as well ? | 17:41 |
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| _0x47 | what to do if a package that is normally provided by gcc-4.4 is not on extras-devel? libgfortran3 is in gcc-4.4 on debian, but not on Maemo. :/ I I repackage it, I will not be able to add the new package to the repos, as the original gcc-4.4 is already there. | 17:41 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: I'm not supposed to actually click on the "update" icon (as in: "Uninstall/Download/Update") right? Because then that might update some other stable system libraries to extras-devel? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | click update to refresh the repos | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | kwtm, mc is in testing, it should appear regardless | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | galatage, err, what does this have to do with haramattan? | 17:43 |
| kwtm | MohammadAG: Yeah, I don't know what happened. I remember now that the same thing happened last time. Is perhaps the search function in AppManager the issue? I searched for "mc" and got "mceled" and "mclock". Is the package called "the-new-mc" or something where it does not start with mc? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | Midnight Commander | 17:44 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG: you left me out. :) | 17:44 |
| PhonicUK | 900MHz is pretty cool with mupen64 :) | 17:45 |
| kwtm | Ohhh!!! It's called Midnight Commander. No wonder. | 17:45 |
| kwtm | Okay, I see it now. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;yeah - as FM-radio is called "UKW Radio" in German device's HAM :-P | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | Oh god | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | searching for FM made me think it's not there | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | lockdaemon's source contains binaries | 17:47 |
| PhonicUK | I'd love it if I could use the touch screen as buttons | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure, they need to 'keep the secrets' | 17:48 |
| me1ne | ubuntu vm says it can't find sixpair command... I navigated to the download directory where I unpacked it and entered "sudo ./sixpair [my bt address]" | 17:48 |
| me1ne | ls | 17:49 |
| PhonicUK | me1ne, do ./sixpair | 17:49 |
| PhonicUK | ah nm i failed to read | 17:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | what's the preferred method of playing back a simple sound file (one of those that came with the n900 as system sounds) from the CLI on the n900? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | playsound? | 17:51 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: thanks! | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno if it's the preferred method | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it has flaws | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | like no volume control | 17:52 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 17:52 |
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| me1ne | ./sixpair => permission denied | 17:56 |
| me1ne | sudo ./sixpair => command not found | 17:56 |
| Corsac | file sixpair? | 17:57 |
| me1ne | 32bit executable, DLLs, Linux, not stripped | 17:57 |
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| GAN900 | My N900 is really retarded about which orientations should be portrait. . . . | 17:58 |
| Corsac | me1ne: and you're on 32bit linux? | 17:59 |
| me1ne | 32bit ubuntu live cd in sun virtualbox | 17:59 |
| me1ne | on a 32bit host, if that matters | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: if you find a better way, please let me know | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: does it move the screen to the small side of device? :-P | 18:01 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: Sorry but the orientation code is basically FUBAR. it is really really FUCKED. Ugh. | 18:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: hi there, sorry have not sent the Nokia adapter to you yet :/ | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, you're not kidding. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: no worries :-D | 18:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I keep forgetting about it :D | 18:02 |
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| tybollt | start firefox, put it in background, all of a sudden phone GUI stops aligning w/ orientation | 18:02 |
| tybollt | yeah | 18:02 |
| tybollt | GOOD GOING THAT | 18:02 |
| tybollt | THAR* | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | lockdaemon has the most fucked up source I've EVER seen | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, that's called security by obscurity | 18:03 |
| tybollt | nd we all know how well that works | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | 1. it has binaries | 18:04 |
| kwtm | agree with n900 alignment problem. I turned off "autodetect orientation" in phone because all it would do is flip back and forth between portrait and landscape, and never actually let me press any buttons. | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pointer? | 18:04 |
| * tybollt rolls eyes on Doc | 18:04 | |
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| MohammadAG | 2. it has sources for those binaries | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | 3. the sources build the binaries with a different name | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | 4. the build deps are missing something | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mehehehehe | 18:04 |
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| MohammadAG | unless these can be ignored http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZbbuHWV | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: THAT would be a nice target for your unexploited RE skills :-D | 18:05 |
| kwtm | Your opinions, please, people, on the Midori web browser package for n900: stable enough to install? I'm looking for a fast web browser to render locally stored mostly-text web pages (huge batch of reference texts in HTML format). | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ick | 18:06 |
| DrGrov | How about themes? Can the wallpapers from themes be somehow separated? | 18:06 |
| DrGrov | Would love to have the 4 theme wallpapers separated instead | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | Qt 4.7 in -devel, yay | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | so that's why lockdaemon got taken down | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | I thought they just removed it cause it used old PR1.1.1 deps | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF lockdaemon? | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pointer?? | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | it's a daemon which vibrates the device when opening/closing the keyboard and locking/unlocking the screen | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | name is a bit misleading | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/lockdaemon/ | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Thought it's the lock-screen-password magic | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which I wouldn't be surprised to have blobs in it | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd be surprised though to see any open source related to it :-P | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:11 |
| Izzeh | sigh | 18:11 |
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| Izzeh | reflash and my phone is still dead after 4 hours | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? | 18:12 |
| Izzeh | battery playing silly bugger lately | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 18:12 |
| Izzeh | and phone going flat idling after 4-5 hours | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idling ob 3G busy | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suspect | 18:12 |
| Izzeh | its connected via wifi and 3G | 18:13 |
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| Izzeh | but the issue is that its been doing that for months | 18:13 |
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| Izzeh | only recently have I been seeing this ridiculously low battery life | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and when your carrier decides to expose your IP to the internets and there's inbound traffic a lot, there's simply nothing you can do to stop 3G from draining your battery | 18:14 |
| BCMM | anyone else find microb forgets settings? | 18:14 |
| Izzeh | lol | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | or the settings get corrupt | 18:14 |
| Izzeh | but I'm on wifi and its just as bad? | 18:14 |
| BCMM | i keep telling it not to open fullscreen, and it obeys for a bit then reverts to defaults | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | so they get moved to prefs-1.js and a new one is made | 18:15 |
| BCMM | perhaps at reboot | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: then use powertop to investigate it | 18:15 |
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| BCMM | also, how long is it supposed to hold url history? it seems to forget that pretty quick too | 18:16 |
| Izzeh | powertop? | 18:16 |
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| Izzeh | Battery Graph reports next to 0 cpu usage and conky shows it idles fine | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | I don't trust both of those tbh | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: how would you even try to stop 3G? | 18:17 |
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| Izzeh | you've lost me completely :s | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | just having a association to a AP doesn't mean inbound traffic on 3G is implicitly impossible | 18:18 |
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| Izzeh | so a trial in offline mode is in order then? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: still your provider my flood you with inbound packages on 3G | 18:18 |
| Izzeh | even if I diagnose such a thing though.. how do I solve it? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lzyou bet it is | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: ^^ | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: kick your provider's ass | 18:19 |
| Izzeh | lol | 18:19 |
| Izzeh | so I just go without a phone and I'll be sweet on battery? :S | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: see, quite a number of providers have so called "mobile DSL" now: a ethernet/wlan router with connection to internet over 3G | 18:20 |
| ham5 | cant get that switcher to switch to 2g? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: for those devices you probably want them exposed to internet | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: for modbile devices short on battery you don't | 18:21 |
| Izzeh | but my main point is this has only started occuring recently | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: if your provider thinks your N900 is a wireless DSL AP, then you need to make him change your config | 18:21 |
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| Izzeh | also does ham5 have a point? would 2G mode be a viable test as well? | 18:21 |
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| PhonicUK | how significant is the powersaving from disabling 3G and sticking with GPRS? | 18:21 |
| Izzeh | I'm hoping 12 hours | 18:22 |
| Izzeh | cause thats what I'm currently losing from my previous usage | 18:22 |
| PhonicUK | My old N97 gets several days of battery life since i took out the SIM card | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | The N97 has an epic battery | 18:23 |
| Corsac | I'm sticking with 3G only atm, but I only enable data when I need it | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: check your provider's websites. Often you can specify type of device there. If there's no N900, then chose N97 or iPhone or sth similar | 18:23 |
| Corsac | and I usually don't enable IM because that's the greatest battery sucker | 18:23 |
| PhonicUK | the N97 battery is slightly bigger than the N900 one isn't it? | 18:23 |
| Shapeshifter | PhonicUK: the difference is huge, provided that you're constantly using the connection. E.g. I'm always online on several jabber accounts. With 3G enabled, it barely lasts half a day, with it disabled, I easily get through a day. However I noticed that if I'm not online, and the only connection that is made regularly is checking mail, than 3G isn't such a power drainer. Apparently it doesn't use much power if not in use. | 18:24 |
| Izzeh | can't recall ever seeing anything like that | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, 1500/1320 N97/N900 | 18:24 |
| PhonicUK | aye | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | mAh | 18:24 |
| Izzeh | but I don't see why it would have changed in the last couple of weeks | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: then call your hotline and ask, how you'd set the type of device you are using with their data service | 18:24 |
| PhonicUK | only problem I have with GPRS is I can't use data while in a voice call | 18:24 |
| * MohammadAG has his device set as a Nokia 6680 | 18:24 | |
| PhonicUK | why? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | cba to call my operator and change it | 18:25 |
| Izzeh | http://i31.tinypic.com/a0ieed.png | 18:25 |
| Izzeh | my battery graph by the way | 18:25 |
| Izzeh | note the most recent cycle.. I left it doing nothing | 18:25 |
| PhonicUK | do they block different model phones if you dont notify them? | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: depends on your provider aiui. N900 supports GPRS + GSM-call concurrence | 18:25 |
| PhonicUK | I'm on TMO UK | 18:25 |
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| MohammadAG | TMO conflicts with t.m.o | 18:26 |
| PhonicUK | T-Mobile | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | I know | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 18:26 |
| PhonicUK | its always called TMO here xD | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | T-MO | 18:26 |
| PhonicUK | I hear TMO so many times each week its silly | 18:26 |
| PhonicUK | yah thats how it gets said | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vs tmo | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or t.m.o | 18:27 |
| PhonicUK | Tee-Moe | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: how much do you know of the n8x0 qt? | 18:27 |
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| alterego | What's the easiest way to do a screen cast on the N900? | 18:28 |
| paulyzor | hiii | 18:28 |
| _0x47 | anyone help me, this really drives me nuts! i need to just get libboost1.42 to extras-devel. I have a build dependency to libopenmpi-dev. this one has so many inherited dependencies that I just can't follow them all. any suggestion how I can sort this out? I'm willing to add non-free (binary) packages if that helps me out. but even the dependencies of the .deb files (not build-deps) are too much... | 18:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns and curses weather and whatnot | 18:28 | |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i am wondering if there are optimizations re ARMv6+VFP that isn't included in upstream | 18:28 |
| lbt | Hmm | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: there's an app for that. Alas is borked for me as long as I know of it | 18:28 |
| * BCMM curses Boost | 18:28 | |
| alterego | Hrm | 18:29 |
| lbt | I doubt it | 18:29 |
| Izzeh | ok its on 2G and I'll leave it run a few hours (after I get it up from 5%)... but I'm not hopeful this is a solution at all | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I concur | 18:29 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: thanks, I'll see what I can come up with with gstreamer... | 18:29 |
| Izzeh | as I've had SIP and MSN connected constantly for the last 8 months.. I see no reason anything changed in the last 2 weeks | 18:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: most of the patches were pretty functional/cosmetic | 18:29 |
| paulyzor | quick question i have pr1.2 and would like to know if it okay to use the old devels repository.. | 18:29 |
| lbt | there were some to integrate with gtk | 18:29 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i don't really understand Boost, apart from as a source of dependancy hell - is there a reason many smaller libs couldn't do the same things? | 18:30 |
| me1ne | got sixpair to work (permissions) friggin same problem as before, keeps asking me :( | 18:31 |
| paulyzor | hmmm ok lol i feel soo alone | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: don't ask me. I'm just happy with deep dislike and not further caring about - as far as possible | 18:31 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I suspect gstreamer is somewhat castrated on maemo as of late ... | 18:32 |
| alterego | Half the elements are available but don't work :/ | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | twinkle included libboost-regex just for a silly simple regex to filter some chars out of a string. Drove me nuts | 18:33 |
| paulyzor | okay ima leave | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: then I had to learn building libboost pkg needs GB of storage and hours of time, just to get that idiotic regex lib | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ NAO | 18:34 |
| BCMM | heh | 18:34 |
| alterego | Okay, okay. | 18:34 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: is it executable from the app menu? | 18:34 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'd sooner call a perl instance each time ;-) | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah | 18:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: or console only? | 18:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: okay .. | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | it opens xterm | 18:35 |
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| alterego | Good good | 18:35 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: you're using your email for the bug tracker :P | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: lemme put it that way: the time my 300MHz lappy took to build libboost, I easily had coded and debugged the regex function by myself | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, cba to request a bugtracker, but that's better than a tmo thread | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that? | 18:35 |
| alterego | Shit, I've got to get ready to go out :) | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you mean that? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZbbuHWV | 18:35 |
| alterego | Okay, voted for you :) | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | test then vote | 18:36 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: you not going to vote yourself? ;) | 18:36 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: heh | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | no, I'm not that desperate alterego | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what then? | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 18:36 |
| alterego | Hahah | 18:36 |
| alterego | bitch | 18:36 |
| alterego | I'll test it on the go, gotta head out now. Take care folks. | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | cya alterego | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I meant the lockscreen with password shit, where nobody knows how to access/reset the password | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | link? | 18:36 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: the thing i don't understand is it being one huge package (on every system i've seen) | 18:36 |
| BCMM | even qt is modular | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | or you mean the built in lock screen? | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | it's stored in cal as far as i remember | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the legend | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | do you know name of binary? | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hildon-desktop or similr? | 18:38 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | check who's addressee of dbus cmds to lock device | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's mce | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | restarting mce locks the device | 18:39 |
| FireFly | Hypothetically, would it be a bad idea to have the bootfs on the eMMC, and use the NAND for a (smaller) swap partition? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 18:40 |
| FireFly | Or perhaps it's impossible? | 18:40 |
| FireFly | (on the N900, that is) | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | restarting mce here -> Device locked | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FireFly: I think theoretically it's possible. Meego is configured similarly iirc | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's because you enabled device locking I guess | 18:41 |
| FireFly | Because I can't seem to find anyone who has tried it with Maemo when googling | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | hmm lock_code | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | stored in cal | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | i think it would be simple to reset it | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the point | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | so you just want something to reset it | 18:41 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, es | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | yes* | 18:43 |
| _0x47 | it's so retarded to have packages in extras that have unmet build dependencies (gcc-4.2). ffs | 18:44 |
| _0x47 | lol forget it | 18:45 |
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| slonopotamus | _0x47: it's maemo | 18:46 |
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| jacekowski | problem | 18:54 |
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| jacekowski | my phone doesn't lock | 18:54 |
| FIQ | Hm, my charger keeps refusing to charge my phone (i got the message "Charging" on insert - after around 30secs, a new message states "Not charging") | 18:54 |
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| jacekowski | BME FTW | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: seems your battery is full | 18:59 |
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| jacekowski | ehhhh | 18:59 |
| tybollt | please don't feed your battery anymore :( | 18:59 |
| tybollt | it can't handle moar bacon now | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: lshal|grep battery.voltage.current | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: >4100 means your battery is quite completely charged | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's a flaw in UI design, not to show when battery is full but *would* charge if it were empty (aka "charger connected") | 19:03 |
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| BCMM | is there a setting in simple brightness which matches the default n900 behaviour? | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | simple brightness is a botch, a nice one but still | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: most 'neutral' setting is 4-bars | 19:06 |
| BCMM | yeah, was kind of hoping that acted like the default | 19:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | simple brightness would be nice to get it to 0 | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5-bars actually breaks ALS (recently?) | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice if you could set it to the absolute minimum hardware brightness | 19:07 |
| BCMM | i dunno what the default is like - i hadn't noticed brightness adjustment before i installed it | 19:07 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ALS? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ambient light sensor | 19:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Actually - I'd like the minimum hardware brightness to be 1/4 or so of the current | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I have no problem with minimum brightness, but it seems the coefficient for ALS needs some tweaking | 19:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | I like to read comparatively large print text. | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a decent user brighness applet would allow to adjust min, max, and ALS gamma | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | at the minimum easy to read brightness in a pitch black room | 19:10 |
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| BCMM | i jus uninstalled simple brightness, and it looks like th minimum allowed brightness is pretty high | 19:12 |
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| BCMM | explains why i saw someone who didn't have it installed blind himself in a dark music venue | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably even 4 'dials': XY for min and max brightness, where X is ALS and Y is screen brightness | 19:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/dim | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | echo 2 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | And then sudo dim in a queen beecon | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | is the minimum hardware brightness - onmine at least | 19:14 |
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| BCMM | hmm, screen on zero looks pretty much the same as in bright sunlight | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen is 'ok' at 0 brightness | 19:17 |
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| BCMM | can it turn backlight off at extreme ambient light? | 19:17 |
| BCMM | (to save power) | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | however - minimum brightness on the simple brightness thingy uses no appreciably more power | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | as I understand it - no - it cranks it to max | 19:18 |
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| DrGrov | Interesting turn in the Eldar Murtazin vs. Nokia case... | 19:19 |
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| BCMM | i wouldn't be surprise me if the end of the scale was such that a cloudy and sunny day aren't distinguishable | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The ninjas? | 19:20 |
| BCMM | how does one read the ALS? | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/actual_brightness | 19:21 |
| SpeedEvil | is the actual brightness which is influenced by ALS | 19:21 |
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| BCMM | brightness of the screen? | 19:21 |
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| BCMM | so no way to read the ambient light directly? | 19:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - yeah - there is | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BCMM: luxmeter | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or similarly named app | 19:24 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: does it read a sysfs file or what? | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which is just reading a szsnode | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux | 19:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I gues | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s | 19:26 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia Legal + Eldar | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | I love it. | 19:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suppose he got one, and breached the NDA/terms? | 19:29 |
| luke-jr | who? | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | On the topic of video game emulators. (not very worksafe) http://www.seekvideogames.com/News/Play-Condoms.html | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Eldaer | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | elmar? | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | who? | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/07/08/1337208/Nokia-Chases-Blogger-To-Recover-N8-Prototype | 19:30 |
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| tybollt | eldar kartuzin | 19:30 |
| tybollt | or something | 19:30 |
| nidO | its more like it was stolen, nokia arent going to be handing out that early prototypes to bloggers. | 19:31 |
| tybollt | a russian blogger that olways has the latest phones prior to official launch | 19:31 |
| tybollt | yeah | 19:31 |
| BCMM | oh dear, apple-style leaking? | 19:31 |
| nidO | and they did ask him for it back like a couple days after he "reviewed" it | 19:31 |
| tybollt | but AFAIK noone proved eldar stole these phones | 19:31 |
| Corsac | tybollt: well, keeping stolen property isn't legal either here, at least | 19:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: reset would be easey | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | easy* | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eh? | 19:33 |
| jacekowski | of the code | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | that can be done easily | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | i'm thinking about pulling it out of the cal | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | just can you verify something for me | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/read_code | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | change code to 12345 | 19:34 |
| jacekowski | and tell me what does it return after you run it | 19:34 |
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| akhilesh890 | anyone there? | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | nah | 19:36 |
| jacekowski | everybody went home | 19:36 |
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| BCMM | i'm asleep | 19:36 |
| akhilesh890 | i wanna have some fun | 19:36 |
| akhilesh890 | nooooooo | 19:36 |
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| BCMM | have you tried fire? | 19:36 |
| akhilesh890 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh | 19:36 |
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| akhilesh890 | hmmmmmmmmm | 19:36 |
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| akhilesh890 | woila | 19:36 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: ? | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: hm? | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | 18:34 < jacekowski> just can you verify something for me | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | 18:34 < jacekowski> jacekowski.org/read_code | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | 18:34 < jacekowski> change code to 12345 | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | 18:34 < jacekowski> and tell me what does it return after you run it | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not now, sorry | 19:48 |
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| joga | all these dropped people did that? ;) | 19:49 |
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| BCMM | why? | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | i'm going home | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | /bin/devlocktool | 19:56 |
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| BCMM | are there any apps that provide useful ways to skip track in mediaplayer? | 19:57 |
| BCMM | (without task switching) | 19:57 |
| hhoffman | hi, is anyone using diablo with syncevolution-0.8.x and the dates application? I'm trying to get it to sync with a funambol v8.5 but it's failing | 19:57 |
| BCMM | i'm reading a PDF fullscreen while listening to music | 19:57 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, shake2control | 19:59 |
| technomike | BCMM | 19:59 |
| technomike | There is an app to use the earphone button to operate the media player | 20:00 |
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| BCMM | i'm using the builtin speakers; i'll look at shake2control | 20:02 |
| BCMM | hmm | 20:02 |
| BCMM | the ideal thing would be something like double-press volume up button | 20:02 |
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| BCMM | lcuk: i've installed shake2control, snd hsve no idea what to do next | 20:09 |
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| adna | Greetings. Anyone in US successful with getting fMMS to work? | 20:10 |
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| PhonicUK2 | hey all | 20:13 |
| PhonicUK2 | when using the power user kernel, do i need to change anything to allow overclocking with cpufrequi? | 20:14 |
| PhonicUK2 | conky says 900MHz but nothings faster | 20:14 |
| BugBlue | you really want to brick your precious N900? | 20:14 |
| BugBlue | have you read the manuals for overclocking? | 20:15 |
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| PhonicUK2 | yes | 20:15 |
| PhonicUK2 | im no novice to overclocking | 20:15 |
| technomike | I am not sure if overclocking will brick it so soon | 20:16 |
| NishanthMenon | beware of voltage max | 20:19 |
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| GAN900 | PhonicUK, overclocking a mobile device is not like overclocking a desktop. :) | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, GPS seems still broken in PR1.2 | 20:23 |
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| GAN900 | technomike, at 900MHz? Potentially weeks or months. | 20:23 |
| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, ? | 20:23 |
| trip0 | broken? | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | needs a GSM SIM otherwise takes ages to get a fix, if any | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nota bene both devices were connected to internet via WLAN | 20:24 |
| trip0 | oh, heh. yeah | 20:24 |
| trip0 | interesting | 20:24 |
| trip0 | i thought i've been able to get a fix with just wifi | 20:24 |
| trip0 | iirc, it uses userplane agps | 20:25 |
| trip0 | which doesn't require anything carrier/gsm specific | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one with PR1.1.1 and active SIM took 15s for 1. fix, while the one with PR1.2 and not booked in SIM got no fix after 10 min | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | interestingly enough both devices had correct coords to 2nd digit after dot, so it can not be related to the one without SIM wasn't able to determine which data to get from internet to assist GPS | 20:26 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: what is stupid is the missing capability for a user-assisted gps | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | diablo had that | 20:27 |
| trip0 | user-assisted? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | though see above, it won't cure the bug that's obviously in there | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trip0: give a first rough guess about where you are, so GPS chip knows for which sats to look | 20:28 |
| trip0 | meaning you, the user? | 20:29 |
| pupnik | trip0: user enters 'i am here' | 20:29 |
| trip0 | heh | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: N900 GPS is supposed to use GSM cell info to get such rough data | 20:29 |
| technomike | GAN900 - :o seriously? | 20:29 |
| trip0 | that's what i thought you mean. it seems kinda silly to have to do that though | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | technomike, yes, seriously. | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | technomike, that's why you see everybody saying overclocking is a terrible idea. :) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nooooo, not again ... :-O | 20:30 |
| technomike | GAN900 - Really am shocked. No way I am going near overclocking with my N900 then | 20:30 |
| technomike | GAN900 - Yeah haha, I realise now why | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | who asked why I always sound so rude when OC topic ? | 20:30 |
| technomike | Thanks for mentioning it though because I was always interested in overclocking my n900 | 20:31 |
| trip0 | overclocking makes my flash run smoother | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: sure. But it eats your CPU, chunk by chunk | 20:31 |
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| trip0 | hmm... is that way widgetsgallery keeps on crashing? | 20:32 |
| trip0 | :P | 20:32 |
| trip0 | s/way/why* | 20:32 |
| technomike | I only got my N900 recently :) Absolutly loving it in everyway! | 20:32 |
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| trip0 | the omap 3430 runs on many devices at 720MHz stock. wonder why the n900's is only clocked at 600 | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: there are different bins of chips. | 20:34 |
| trip0 | oh, i take that back | 20:34 |
| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, your right | 20:34 |
| trip0 | it's the 3530 i'm thinking of | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one on N900 is rated at 500 continuous | 20:35 |
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| technomike | Is there a safe overclock speed or is it best not to touch overclocking at all? | 20:36 |
| trip0 | it's probably not safe at all | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: just like you can get every 'normal' processor with different speedsteppings | 20:36 |
| technomike | Ok then | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: safe is 600, the way Nokia is already using it. So your best bet is not to touch it | 20:37 |
| technomike | Yep ok :) | 20:37 |
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| technomike | LOVE THIS TUNE | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, Nokia already does OC. It runs the chip @600 | 20:37 |
| technomike | erm | 20:38 |
| trip0 | lol | 20:38 |
| technomike | I never typed that | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and Nokia came to conclusion it's not very wise to strech it even more | 20:38 |
| trip0 | Nokia also came to the conclusion that the gps was okay asis | 20:39 |
| technomike | Oh no, its a comedy script I have for another channel. Its all some user says, so I have it as a macro lol. | 20:39 |
| technomike | My mistake | 20:39 |
| technomike | DocScrutinizer - Ah | 20:39 |
| trip0 | bottom line is, you run a risk by OC'ing | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: well, do it better - provide proof why it's better - and you probably can maje a point | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | make | 20:40 |
| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, I bluetooth pair with my car's gps when i'm driving. that works better ;) | 20:40 |
| technomike | trip0 - Wow, that sounds good | 20:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs. | 20:40 | |
| technomike | I am just using the internal gps with the assisted gps from the cell network | 20:41 |
| technomike | I am going to get Sygic maps | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: for me this is highly uninspiring comment, as well as for Nokia EE I'd say | 20:41 |
| technomike | because the Ovi Maps doesn't have the turn by turn voice navigation | 20:41 |
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| trip0 | my car always has a fix, and it's 5Hz, so it's much better for me to pair up than to wait around for the n900's internal gps | 20:42 |
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| technomike | I upgraded from N97 to N900, and am shocked about the Ovi Maps but oh well | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: isn't that what is explained in the user manual booklet that came with N900? | 20:42 |
| trip0 | n97 has ovi navigation? | 20:42 |
| technomike | Yeah | 20:43 |
| trip0 | oh, bummer | 20:43 |
| trip0 | that sucks | 20:43 |
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| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, user manual? you mean that thing that I use to start my grill? | 20:43 |
| technomike | N97 has better Ovi Maps than N900 by far. Also has a digital compass :D | 20:43 |
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| technomike | Ovi Maps is the only thing that is better obviously though ;) | 20:43 |
| trip0 | digital compass would be nice | 20:44 |
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| technomike | Agreed | 20:44 |
| kerio | let's connect a usb compass | 20:44 |
| kerio | we just need usb host | 20:44 |
| trip0 | heh | 20:45 |
| trip0 | yeah, i wish usb host worked | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: yawn | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: me too | 20:45 |
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| technomike | Me too | 20:47 |
| trip0 | i never saw a conclusion on that... was it actually a hardware issue that makes that not work? | 20:47 |
| technomike | isn't there an app that is allowing the usbhost support now though? | 20:47 |
| trip0 | or a buggy driver? | 20:47 |
| trip0 | technomike, i didn't think that actually worked though? | 20:47 |
| technomike | Not sure at all | 20:48 |
| technomike | Just seen it on the net | 20:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles sarcastically | 20:48 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: heh | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 20:52 |
| * GAN900 chuckles at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744240&postcount=28 | 20:53 | |
| GAN900 | Actually, yes, that was a factor. . . . | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm? | 20:55 |
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| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer: hmmhmm | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had quite a lot of problems - building _free_ hardware never been one of them | 20:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: free hardware would be cool | 20:56 |
| kerio | it's a shame that matter can't be created | 20:57 |
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| kerio | noooo! i'm a non-drinker! glugluglu | 20:58 |
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| * D-Iivil feels himself as a man, a real man. He's been fixing the car for last couple of hours. | 20:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: actually marketing and the closed parts of SW development were the big problem, quite similar to what I see at Nokia now | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of course management | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's always the management :-P | 21:00 |
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| hhoffman | is anyone using the dates app on diablo with syncevolution? | 21:01 |
| RST38h | moo konttori | 21:02 |
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| sar3th | bah, i hate these buttons on the headset >_< | 21:09 |
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| technomike | sar3th - What headset are you using? | 21:25 |
| adna | DocScrutinizer: Do you know if Nokis is going to enable MMS on N900 ever? | 21:25 |
| sar3th | technomike: i got a Nokia WH-701 Stereo Headset | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, and the fact that the hardware was AT LEAST a generation out of date from the start to be open didn't play a part? :P | 21:26 |
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| sar3th | but it's not working with maemo's music player (yet) | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | adna: search in HAM for fMMS | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | adna: or ask frals | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: not really | 21:28 |
| sar3th | technomike: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002OM7VP4/ref=oss_product | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: IMO - managment was the much, much larger issue. | 21:28 |
| adna | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. I have fMMS, but can't get it to work. Hoping there's another app... | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | adna: ask frals | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I've argued several times that xmas 2007 - you could have had a bugfixed neo1073 for sale with a stack that worked for phonecalls and texts. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: But they started chasing shiny stuff that were some way off in the future. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And turned out eventually to not actually be that shiny. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and did all that in a anti-community closed way | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like Nokia | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways, yes. | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, the missing 3G did it's part, but then we had a pricetag, and 3G you pay royalties for each sold device | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that's a hefty xx% of the devices sales price - so we even considered to sell the device without modem, and sell a separate modem kit to plug in | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | armv4t didn't play a role? :P | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, s/it's/its/ | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | Speaking as a person who considered the device, the absolutely useless oldness of it at the time turned me off. | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with armv4? | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | Especially since I had something leaps and bounds ahead of it in the 770 and N800 | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | It was old and slow. | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in the end it's not the hardware but the user experience you buy | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | And the hardware plays a role in that | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | in some point maybe | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not in the case of GTA02 though, as far as armv4 is involved. Glamo was a fatal misshap | 21:37 |
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| RST38h | "A telescopic implant that fits directly into the eye to treat certain kinds of blindness has finally received FDA approval for use in the US" | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | Hardware dictates a large part of what you can deliver. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | GTA01 has still faster gfx than gta02 | 21:37 |
| RST38h | (but is it gonna have a huge red LED?) | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: for the original proposition of OM failed due to building open hardware: NO! definitely not, not even partially | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: nota bene the hardwate wasn't even "open" until I managed to finally convince them so I may publish the schematics | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so quite until several months after GTA02 rollout OM wasn't building 'open' hardware. It just built a device with open *software* (aka linux) and I don't think there's so much difference in gta01 openmoko and late maemo | 21:42 |
| technomike | Someone mentioned an N64 emulator running smooth on N900. If this is the case, how come PSX emulator doesn't run so smooth yet? | 21:42 |
| joga | hmm...n64 emu smooth? | 21:43 |
| joga | sounds nice :) | 21:44 |
| RST38h | Yea, really, why doesn't it run smooth? | 21:44 |
| joga | I'd just think you would need some proper gamepad too.. | 21:45 |
| RST38h | I mean, the guy who wrote it must be lame, right? | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you tried it? | 21:45 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nevermind, leave it | 21:50 |
| Shapeshifter | huh, I just noticed the n900 has weird grey levels. I have a plain area that increases and increases/decreases rgb by 1 every 1/30 seconds from 40 to 160 (glowing animation) and I see shades of dark-greyish-purple and dark-greyish-green alternating | 21:55 |
| Shapeshifter | you wouldn't notice if it wasn't animated | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | have anybody checked what is the maximum lenght of lock code? | 21:56 |
| sar3th | jacekowski: too short :/ | 21:57 |
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| sar3th | jacekowski: want me to quickly check? | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | sure | 21:58 |
| sar3th | 10 digits | 21:58 |
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| jacekowski | so it's 10^10 | 21:59 |
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| adna | frals: Do you know where I can find settings for fMMS for N. America T-Mobile? (v. 1.1.9) | 22:02 |
| technomike | adna - Do you really use MMS to send photos and stuff often? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | of course he does not - wouldn't ask about the settings if it worked for him | 22:04 |
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| mirf | wait... mms doens't work? | 22:04 |
| technomike | Hahaha, good point :P | 22:04 |
| technomike | But just curious. | 22:04 |
| adna | technomike: I used to all the time but can't now because N900 came with no MMS | 22:05 |
| mirf | I hadn't noticed but that kinda sucks | 22:05 |
| Appiah | some people use fMMS for that | 22:05 |
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| technomike | adna - Damn, its a real puzzlement why N900 doesn't have it natively supported | 22:06 |
| adna | fMMS apparently works for some, but I can't get it to work in N. America w/ T-Mobile. | 22:06 |
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| adna | technomike: I know, right? Does anybody know if Nokia plans a native MMS app? | 22:07 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I think the technology impact of relying on open hardware had an effect, though. | 22:08 |
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| unixSnob | I get the error: http://nitapps.com/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz 301 Moved Permanently | 22:11 |
| unixSnob | anyone know where it moved to? | 22:11 |
| unixSnob | (btw, that's an apt-get update error) | 22:11 |
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| mgedmin | unixSnob, I get 200 OK there | 22:12 |
| mgedmin | try again? | 22:12 |
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| unixSnob | mgedmin: thanks for testing.. I'll try again | 22:13 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Your prayers have been answered. I flipped the arrow in FBReader. | 22:13 |
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| unixSnob | mgedmin: i still get that error | 22:14 |
| unixSnob | mgedmin: also, if I point my browser to the parent folder, it's not there.. so it's a surprize that it works for you | 22:15 |
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| Savago | Good afternoon. | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | unixSnob, *shrug*, http://pastie.org/1036433 | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | I'm stupid | 22:16 |
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| mgedmin | didn't notice the first request that did result in 301 | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | (terminal window wasn't high enough) | 22:16 |
| Savago | I was wondering if is there a place where com.nokia.mafw is documented? I'm looking for a notification/signal that allows me to known if the player has stopped. :-) | 22:17 |
| kerio | MMS sucks | 22:17 |
| kerio | i don't get how someone could *miss* that | 22:19 |
| unixSnob | mgedmin: so you have the same problem? | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | yes, and the new URL was buried in the middle of that paste I gave you | 22:20 |
| unixSnob | ah, sorry | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | change nitapps.com to nitstuff.appspot.com | 22:20 |
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| unixSnob | strange.. my /etc/apt/sources.list file is empty | 22:22 |
| unixSnob | nvm | 22:23 |
| unixSnob | it's in the app manager gui as a "catalog" | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, thank you. | 22:23 |
| RST38h | GAN900: + I have found a reasonably bulletproof way to flip pages with a finger | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I tap it expecting it to go the other way every day. | 22:24 |
| RST38h | GAN900: I added an option to only flip pages when you drag a finger up or down the page | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Works like a charm, way better than that hideously unreliable click check | 22:25 |
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| unixSnob | i want to use the CCD to snap photos... any apps for that? my search came up empty | 22:25 |
| kerio | huh... there's a builtin one | 22:26 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 22:26 |
| hrw|n900 | removing xchat prefs helps in useing :) | 22:26 |
| RST38h | if you have got an old set of prefs it does | 22:27 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, I still find it hilarious that you became accidental maintainer of a Fremantle Stars project. | 22:27 |
| RST38h | the latest xchat is configured to autogenerate a sane config | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, seen any of the mythical Nokia support? ;) | 22:27 |
| hrw|n900 | thats why I killed it | 22:27 |
| RST38h | GAN900: I have never asked for Nokia support and never done this for publicity reasons | 22:28 |
| hrw|n900 | mine was insane and borked | 22:28 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Just want to have a working bookreader that I can use | 22:28 |
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| unixSnob | kerio: I don't see how. the "internet call" app doesn't show anything that would seem to save the image to a file | 22:31 |
| kerio | oh, the front camera? | 22:32 |
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| unixSnob | kerio: i have an n800.. it only has one camera | 22:32 |
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| kerio | oh | 22:32 |
| kerio | the... camera application? | 22:33 |
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| kerio | it sounds weird that it doesn't have one | 22:33 |
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| unixSnob | kerio: i wouldn't call it a camera app.. it's a VOIP app that has a camera feature | 22:34 |
| unixSnob | kerio: "internet call" is the app that launches by default when I eject the CCD | 22:34 |
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| technomike | What does CCD mean? | 22:35 |
| unixSnob | charge coupled device | 22:36 |
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| technomike | Ah thanks | 22:37 |
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| unixSnob | "internet call", gizmo5, and mbarcode all support the CCD, but none of them seem to offer the simple capability of saving the image to a file. | 22:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | gstreamer can | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | unixSnob: | 22:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! jpegenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.jpg | 22:49 |
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| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: thanks.. when I searched w/ apt-cache for gstreamer, knips appeared.. looks like that's what i need | 22:55 |
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| unixSnob | never again will I be in a bar, trying a new wine or beer, too drunk or lazy to scribble the name down | 22:57 |
| unixSnob | just need to be functional enough to snap a pic of the label | 22:57 |
| silbo___ | can anyone help me with nokia f-bus? | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | what's wrong with the camera app? | 22:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | open the slider, press button, close slider | 22:59 |
| trumee | how do i start syslog, i dont have /etc/init.d/sysklogd ? | 22:59 |
| silbo___ | SpeedEvil: hey | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install syslog | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | or syslogd | 23:00 |
| trumee | i do have susklogd installed though. How does syslog daemon start? | 23:00 |
| silbo___ | SpeedEvil: is the nokia f-bus 3.3V ? | 23:00 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i do have syslogd installed but dont have /etc/init.d/sysklogd? | 23:00 |
| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: apparently the n800/maemo 2008 doesn't have a camera app | 23:00 |
| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: and it looks like knips doesn't work | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - sorry - n900 people seem to be a majority here recently | 23:01 |
| unixSnob | doesn't find the camera | 23:01 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: syslog is indeed writing to /var/log/syslog but there is no init script, how is it starting? | 23:01 |
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| unixSnob | SpeedEvil: i'm holding off until a multisim version emerges | 23:01 |
| trumee | everytime i need a fresh syslog, i have to rm /var/log/syslog and then reboot :( | 23:02 |
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| trumee | can somebody with PR1.2 and sysklogd confirm that they have /etc/init.d/syslogd? | 23:03 |
| trumee | how do i check files provided by sysklogd package using apt? | 23:04 |
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| trumee | s/check/list | 23:04 |
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| trumee | crap, gentoo's equery is so much better | 23:06 |
| trumee | anybody expert on apt here? | 23:07 |
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| Appiah | "expert" ? | 23:08 |
| ml-mobile | trumee: if you have the .deb still, dpkg -c file.deb will list the contents and their location | 23:08 |
| trumee | ml-mobile: i have sysklogd install. i want to print the list of files provided by sysklogd | 23:09 |
| trumee | i dont have the deb file. | 23:09 |
| Appiah | dpkg -s | 23:09 |
| Appiah | dpkg -S | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | Or cat the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info | 23:09 |
| ml-mobile | or that :) | 23:10 |
| trumee | Appiah: thanks. that did it. | 23:10 |
| Appiah | np | 23:10 |
| trumee | Ok, sysklogd doesnt provide /etc/init.d/sysklog instead it provides cron entries | 23:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | grep "/etc/init.d/sysklog" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | 23:11 |
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| trumee | hmm. start sysklogd works. all good | 23:14 |
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| kerio | a dual-sim n900? | 23:23 |
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| Appiah | kerio: ? | 23:24 |
| kerio | Appiah: unixSnob said something about that | 23:24 |
| technomike | kerio - Its the fake china replica. But there is a dual-sim adapter for N900 | 23:24 |
| technomike | Oh | 23:24 |
| technomike | he may have been talking about something else then | 23:24 |
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| unixSnob | i said I'm /waiting/ for a multi-sim NIT to emerge.. AFAIK, they don't exist | 23:30 |
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| unixSnob | all single sim phones can take an adapter, generally, but only one sim can be active at a time | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not yet seen a double SIM 3G phone | 23:31 |
| unixSnob | china has some triple standby phones (that is, 3 sims active at once).. but the chinese phones are hard to trust | 23:31 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: i thought the nokia C2 was 3g | 23:31 |
| unixSnob | Samsung makes some dual-sim phones, but the OS isn't maemo or android, so I'm going to pass on that too | 23:32 |
| kerio | hmm, maybe not | 23:32 |
| unixSnob | turns out there is a generic camera app out there for the n800.. can't believe I missed it. I simply had to run "apt-get install camera" | 23:33 |
| unixSnob | and the camera app works (knips does not) | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, if you use my program - jacekowski.org/read_code it will return code stored in cal - that code is generated with crypt("number","hq") | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm generating tables for that at the moment so i'll be able to crack these codes | 23:36 |
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| tuliobaars | hey people! | 23:37 |
| tuliobaars | I need some help in development for Maemo devices | 23:37 |
| tuliobaars | i've made a MaemoTurbo.sh, but I really don't know how to convert to a .deb package. I'm a newbie in linux development, but i'm an advanced development in Windows | 23:38 |
| tuliobaars | thanks in advance | 23:38 |
| joga | you want to package a script? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | what does the script do? | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ooooh! | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | Hey I got VLC installed... it works ok -- but I'm just wondering is there anyway to overclock an N900 - or squeeze any extra performance out of the hardware some how? (just to know what the options are - not sure if I'll actually do it) | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Has anyone packaged john the ripper? | 23:39 |
| joga | Lantizia: it's possible | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, yeah, i did | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: my file is little to big now | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | but unfortunately it fell down a well | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | joga, what are the options? | 23:40 |
| tuliobaars | oh, sorry, i went to bwc | 23:41 |
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| joga | Lantizia, overclocking is definitely possible, but not necessarily recommended | 23:41 |
| tuliobaars | it performs an optimization of maemo kernel (fremantle and diablo) | 23:41 |
| Lantizia | joga, ok how is it possible - some kind of app? | 23:41 |
| joga | Lantizia: see the maemo wiki for details about that | 23:41 |
| tuliobaars | a script to optimize the kernel and make an new and different kind of swap | 23:41 |
| joga | basically you'll boot another kernel | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | tuliobaars, umm, I can help but not sure how that can be done without using a different kernel | 23:42 |
| tuliobaars | no, just make the original kernel better | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | tuliobaars, he's talking to a different guy | 23:42 |
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| tuliobaars | hum? | 23:42 |
| tuliobaars | ahh, sorry | 23:43 |
| tuliobaars | ok, mohammad | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | lemme switch to my lappy | 23:43 |
| tuliobaars | here i have a DiabloTurbo in portuguese, to N8x0 devices... i wanna make a deb package | 23:44 |
| tuliobaars | could you help me? | 23:44 |
| tuliobaars | private? | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | sec | 23:44 |
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| Lantizia | tuliobaars, joga: This "Enhanced Linux kernel for power users" ? | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | tuliobaars, if I was trying to do this, I'd start here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Creating_Debian_Packages and then I'd download the source for fmboost, because I know that's basically just a .sh script too | 23:45 |
| joga | Lantizia, I guess so. there were a few options I think | 23:45 |
| joga | Lantizia, but I do hope you read all the "why not overclock" sides of the story too :) | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: n8x0 devices, not maemo 5 | 23:46 |
| tuliobaars | ShadowJK, i wanna start with n8x0 devices | 23:46 |
| tuliobaars | until I buy a N900 | 23:46 |
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| ShadowJK | I suspect the same thing is also found under maemo.org -> developmnet -> maemo4 platform guide ? | 23:47 |
| tuliobaars | i've read all documentation, and translated to portuguese | 23:47 |
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| tuliobaars | its avaible on my maemo blog: http://ttablet.blogspot.com | 23:47 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: correction - salt is random | 23:51 |
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| technomike | ShadowJK | 23:54 |
| technomike | fmboost, I don't see how it works :S | 23:54 |
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| trumee | tcpdump and wireshark kill the network on my N900 | 23:54 |
| trumee | i am trying to diagnose sip connection with power saving "off". But tcpdump/wireshark kill my connection after a few seconds :( | 23:55 |
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| trumee | i dont know how to debug now. | 23:55 |
| technomike | no radio I have ever used recieves frequencies above 108mhz | 23:55 |
| trumee | could this be a router problem (wrt54gl running tomato)? With power saving on tcpdump works fine | 23:56 |
| technomike | yet the fmboost claims to boost transmission above 108, but how is any radio supposed to pick the signal up | 23:56 |
| technomike | Or am I missing something? :S | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike: 108 is a power setting in arbitrary units. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not a frequency | 23:57 |
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| trumee | N900 is the crappiest phone for sip calls. I curse the day when i bought it | 23:57 |
| trumee | N95 rocks for sip calls. but N900 is shit. | 23:58 |
| technomike | SpeedEvil - Ahhhhhh! | 23:58 |
| tuliobaars | don't say this about a Maemo device! | 23:58 |
| technomike | SpeedEvil - So the fmboost script improves the fm transmitter power? | 23:58 |
| trumee | i thought N900 was supposed to be good fro voip. But now i have to carry an N95 just to make sip calls | 23:58 |
| tuliobaars | i think we have troll in the building | 23:59 |
| asj_ | trumee: lol | 23:59 |
| Myrtti | tuliobaars: criticism is allowed | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | In what way is it shit? | 23:59 |
| trumee | i dont what is wrong here, is sofia-sip crap or is wifi implementation bad | 23:59 |
| tuliobaars | sorry? i didn't understand you | 23:59 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: The voice get minced after 5 seconds of sip call on wifi | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike: yes | 23:59 |
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