| lcuk | ahh SpeedEvil so its prerecorded | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:00 |
| kerio | sure, let me fill half of my n900 to chat safely on facebook | 00:00 |
| kerio | :P | 00:00 |
| noctule | chat safely on facebook?!?! LMAO | 00:00 |
| noctule | kerio: thank you | 00:01 |
| trip0 | safe? facebook? hahaha | 00:01 |
| kerio | assuming encrypted text between me and the recipient | 00:01 |
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| noctule | kerio: it's not the method used to communicate with facebook, it's facebook itself | 00:03 |
| noctule | kerio: I thought you were joking | 00:03 |
| kerio | i am | 00:03 |
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| noctule | whew, I thought I was going to have an aneurysm for a sec | 00:05 |
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| Macer | so. how is meego going on the n900? | 00:06 |
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| Macer | :) | 00:06 |
| kerio | well, technically you can use facebook to exchange GPGed messages | 00:06 |
| kerio | not sure *why* one would do that | 00:07 |
| kerio | but still | 00:07 |
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| noctule | kerio: I'll allow the possibility and the insanity on that one -l- | 00:08 |
| kerio | heh | 00:08 |
| kerio | bonus points if you connect to it using a public hotspot | 00:09 |
| mneptok | kerio: you just have to give Mark Zuckerberg your private key passphrase as he steals your car. | 00:09 |
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| noctule | mneptok: and sells your family into some advertising slavery ring | 00:12 |
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| Macer | sorry kerio they will still know you are picking up children | 00:15 |
| Macer | :) | 00:15 |
| Venemo | good evening guys | 00:15 |
| Macer | cipher or no cipher | 00:15 |
| kerio | Macer: nah, i'm into milfs | 00:15 |
| noctule | Venemo: Evening, how goes? | 00:16 |
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| mneptok | kerio: mastering inane, lame Facbook sh*t? | 00:16 |
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| kerio | nice backronym | 00:17 |
| Venemo | noctule, well, thanks for asking :) | 00:17 |
| Venemo | noctule: how about you? | 00:17 |
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| noctule | Venemo: not too bad, just irritating everyone by yammering about encrypted email | 00:18 |
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| mneptok | thank you, thank you. i'm here all week. try the veal. | 00:19 |
| Venemo | noctule: I'm working on some features for Sticky Notes :) | 00:19 |
| noctule | Venemo: nice, what've you got lined up? | 00:19 |
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| noctule | mneptok: what, no tipping the waitresses? | 00:20 |
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| Venemo | noctule: most of the stuff in the "planned features" section of its thread, plus some more stuff | 00:20 |
| Venemo | noctule: I managed to incorporate Hildon-Extras in it, too | 00:20 |
| noctule | Venemo: excellent, when do you need a tester? | 00:21 |
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| Venemo | noctule: if you feel like it, I can send you a pre-release .deb in some time :) | 00:22 |
| noctule | Venemo: that would be great, just send me the link and I'll test away | 00:23 |
| Venemo | noctule: thanks :) | 00:23 |
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| noctule | Venemo: np | 00:24 |
| Venemo | noctule: are you familiar with Sticky Notes btw, or you're just being kind? :) | 00:24 |
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| noctule | Venemo: my memory is rubbish, was it you that I was discussing the EVE online widget with? | 00:28 |
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| noctule | This is months back, btw | 00:28 |
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| Venemo | noctule: yes, it was me | 00:29 |
| noctule | Venemo: thought so =) | 00:29 |
| Venemo | noctule: while the EVE app is still in progress, I wanted some proof-of concept for my multi-widget solution | 00:29 |
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| noctule | Venemo: my desktop twitter app is still disappointing | 00:29 |
| Venemo | noctule: some people liked it, so I uploaded to -devel, and now even more people like it. I also received some ideas and feature requests | 00:29 |
| Venemo | noctule: how so? | 00:29 |
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| noctule | Venemo: trying to limit the features lol | 00:30 |
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| Venemo | noctule: I know the feeling | 00:30 |
| noctule | Venemo: I think TweeGo is a pretty good app, and it serves its niche | 00:30 |
| Venemo | noctule: I haven't tried it yet (I don't use twitter), so I can't judge it. | 00:31 |
| noctule | Venemo: Twitter and IRC are about as social as I get | 00:31 |
| Venemo | noctule: hehe. | 00:32 |
| noctule | Venemo: creating an app that sits on the desktop, checks the tweets when you want it to and posts messages was what I set out to do | 00:32 |
| noctule | Venemo: then I got stuck thinking about the possibilities with the API, and then switching back and forth between hildon and Qt...I may just publish it and let users decide where it goes | 00:33 |
| Venemo | noctule: well, Hildon and Qt can live together if you don't want to do any insanity with them | 00:34 |
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| noctule | Venemo: Define "insanity" lol | 00:34 |
| Venemo | noctule: my app is written in Qt, but I've just incorporated some stuff from Hildon Extras into it | 00:35 |
| Zucca | Hm. I'm trying (just at this moment) to record video with led flash (torch) on... Is it possible? | 00:35 |
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| Zucca | On N900. | 00:36 |
| Venemo | noctule: insanity would be to add Hildon widgets to a Qt app or Qt widgets to a Hildon app... however I don't think it is impossible, but it definitely would take too much of an effort | 00:36 |
| Venemo | Zucca: I think there's an app for that, but I can't recall its name | 00:36 |
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| Venemo | noctule: can I pm you? | 00:37 |
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| noctule | Venemo: sure thing | 00:38 |
| Macer | i find it odd on freenode people say pm | 00:38 |
| Macer | the jargon just seems wrong | 00:38 |
| Zucca | Ok. I even tried to start torch app first but then camera app wont start if the leds are on. | 00:39 |
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| lardman | so, Python + Qt on the device, PyQt4? | 00:44 |
| lardman | or PySide (or whatever it's called)? | 00:45 |
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| lardman | hmm, PySide it is then | 00:47 |
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| luke-jr | it's PyQt4... | 00:48 |
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| lardman | or PySide though, so I understand | 00:48 |
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| luke-jr | ah | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | PySide is a rewrite of PyQt | 00:49 |
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| lardman | yeah, looks that way | 00:50 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:55 |
| b-man | ~MohammadAG | 00:56 |
| infobot | from memory, mohammadag is special | 00:56 |
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| b-man | lol | 00:56 |
| xnt14 | :P | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, screw you xD | 00:57 |
| b-man | xnt14 asked me to xD | 00:57 |
| xnt14 | b-man: no you wanted to show it to me xD | 00:57 |
| b-man | xD | 00:58 |
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| dotblank | hmm I can't set the background color style | 01:02 |
| dotblank | in anything | 01:02 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm, that's strange at least | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | bme is using dsme lifeguard as well as that upstart thing | 01:10 |
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| noctule | night all | 01:12 |
| Venemo1 | night! | 01:13 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 01:16 |
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| tybollt | ~tybollt | 01:22 |
| infobot | from memory, tybollt is some bloody idiot | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 01:23 |
| b-man | xDDD | 01:23 |
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| trip0 | ouch | 01:24 |
| tybollt | :D | 01:24 |
| * tybollt <3 infobot | 01:24 | |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, $50 | 01:25 |
| * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off | 01:25 | |
| tybollt | infobot: $0.1 | 01:25 |
| trip0 | O_o | 01:25 |
| b-man | LOL | 01:25 |
| trip0 | fail | 01:25 |
| tybollt | infobot: $100 | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | xDDDD | 01:25 |
| * infobot gives tybollt full service! | 01:25 | |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 01:25 |
| tybollt | infobot: $1000 | 01:25 |
| trip0 | haha | 01:25 |
| trip0 | fail | 01:25 |
| tybollt | trip0: win | 01:25 |
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| trip0 | infobot: -$100 | 01:25 |
| b-man | ~rape trip0 | 01:25 |
| * infobot takes trip0 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 01:26 | |
| MohammadAG51 | rofl | 01:26 |
| trip0 | lol, walmart | 01:26 |
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| mneptok | *blink* | 01:26 |
| b-man | xD | 01:26 |
| tybollt | ~lol | 01:26 |
| infobot | lol is probably stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 01:26 |
| b-man | infobot is a grammar nazi xD | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | do '/me lol' instead. | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | do /me instead. | 01:26 |
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| b-man | ~frals | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | trip0, talk about "go fuck yourself" :P | 01:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | b-man, he's undefined | 01:28 |
| b-man | indeed | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, try now | 01:29 |
| b-man | ~frals | 01:29 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, frals is a large smelly trout | 01:29 |
| b-man | lol | 01:29 |
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| kojacker | Hi all, I received a donation for the competition from a very nice chap called Rene but I don't know his maemo.org username to thank him or add him to the list. Anyone know anyone called Rene? :) | 01:55 |
| PolarFox | Sound french.. :D | 02:00 |
| PolarFox | Sounds.. ANd I sshould be asleep | 02:00 |
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| raster | meh | 02:21 |
| Stskeeps | mehmeh | 02:21 |
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| mortini | raster: meh indeedy. | 02:33 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've spoken to some people that are in RE business for a lot longer than i am | 02:34 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and according to them it would be perfectly legal for me to publish whitepaper about BME based on RE | 02:35 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but then somebody else would have to write the code | 02:35 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I never said it's illegal. I said Nokia will not accept *any* bme replacement as soon as it looks like it *could* be based on RE | 02:36 |
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| jacekowski | well, it wouldn't | 02:38 |
| jacekowski | it would be based on .pdf | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you know about lean room design, I guess I don't have to explain it's impossible for any hobbyist to write a bme replacement in a way Nokia would change their mind. After such RE'd code had been published | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | and that .pdf can be based on re | 02:39 |
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| jacekowski | it wouldn't be REd code | 02:39 |
| raster | Stskeeps: mehmehmeh | 02:39 |
| raster | mortini: meh++ | 02:39 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer51: MEEEEEEH! | 02:40 |
| trip0 | ~meh | 02:40 |
| infobot | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase | 02:40 |
| mortini | so, uhm, probably not the place for this question, but, idk. anyone have access to systems with infiniband/experience with? | 02:40 |
| trip0 | O_o | 02:40 |
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| raster | mortini: odd place to ask that | 02:45 |
| raster | been years since i even heard anyone talk of infiniband | 02:45 |
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| jacekowski | mortini: well, i've been using infiniband not so long ago | 02:45 |
| mortini | raster: yeah, i figured. i'm not sure *where* to ask. | 02:46 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 02:47 |
| Pavlz | i got a problem between nokia 770 and linksys wrt54gs | 02:48 |
| raster | mortini: well last it passed by my ears was way back at valinux when doing supercomputer clusters | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | mortini: #networking migt be little bit better place | 02:48 |
| Pavlz | it refuses to work | 02:48 |
| mortini | raster: yeah, that's my context as well. | 02:49 |
| Pavlz | on the linksys wrt54gs there is openwrt | 02:49 |
| Pavlz | i tried: ad-hoc, client and access point | 02:49 |
| mortini | heh, the datacenter at work has some valinux box racked and powered on. it makes me laugh. | 02:49 |
| Pavlz | it replies : network problem if i try to use the browser | 02:50 |
| raster | mortini: hahahahahahah blast from the past | 02:50 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I just made a superb shot :) | 02:50 |
| mortini | jacekowski: thanks, not sure i'm that brave tonight. | 02:51 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900 & GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4769110439/ | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: and btw bme does not contain any secrets we would need to build a replacement | 03:04 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't want to see any bme code :-) | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | me neither | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nor do I want to see any pdf with a in deep RE analysis of bme | 03:07 |
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| ShadowJK | or any other format :) | 03:08 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:12 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: but there are things like dsme communication | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | and something else if've found | 03:13 |
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| ShadowJK | the plan in my head would leave stubs for notifying maemo/meego/gentoo/whatever of events | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dsme is free, no? So what do we need a RE of bme for? | 03:27 |
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| Unregistered | hi | 03:51 |
| Unregistered | some body there? | 03:51 |
| Unregistered | i get a problem | 03:52 |
| Unregistered | my inglish is to bad | 03:52 |
| Unregistered | some bady????? | 03:52 |
| Unregistered | danm!! | 03:52 |
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| pupnik_ | ask | 03:55 |
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| Unregistered | i need i page | 03:56 |
| Noma | oh god, i really have body here, i have to do something | 03:56 |
| Unregistered | for download dc emulator with all | 03:56 |
| Unregistered | bios plugings etc | 03:56 |
| Unregistered | ok | 03:56 |
| Unregistered | i get chankast but dont work | 03:57 |
| Unregistered | i get bios get all | 03:58 |
| Unregistered | and the f$·$%% emulator dont work :S | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | wrong channel? | 03:59 |
| Unregistered | u think?? | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | imo yes | 04:00 |
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| Unregistered | here what thinks talk about? | 04:00 |
| Unregistered | about that talking here? | 04:01 |
| Unregistered | sorry for my english | 04:01 |
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| pupnik_ | sorry Unregistered this channel is about maemo | 04:04 |
| pupnik_ | http://maemo.org | 04:04 |
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| HtheB | damnit | 04:22 |
| HtheB | i got f-ed | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | congrats | 04:22 |
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| mortini | ahem. | 04:23 |
| HtheB | thnx | 04:23 |
| HtheB | guess I need to flash 1.2 again now >.< | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | what happened? | 04:24 |
| HtheB | tried the new tutorial | 04:24 |
| HtheB | dj_steve made | 04:24 |
| HtheB | on tmo | 04:24 |
| HtheB | (booting the new android) | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | k, and? | 04:25 |
| HtheB | now I cant even boot maemo | 04:25 |
| HtheB | well.. I can, but when the 2 hands shows | 04:25 |
| HtheB | it will show the terminal :/ | 04:25 |
| HtheB | (right in the middle of the video) | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | not sure what you're talking about tbh | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | could be the framebuffer, but that should 'stop' when X starts | 04:26 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=743038&postcount=2142 | 04:26 |
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| HtheB | here let me show u | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | you could've used my deb you know :p | 04:27 |
| HtheB | deb? | 04:28 |
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| HtheB | w8 let met show u what i just got for now | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=741051&postcount=2072 | 04:29 |
| HtheB | rofl | 04:29 |
| HtheB | damnit | 04:29 |
| HtheB | donno what to do now tbh :( | 04:29 |
| HtheB | wtf!?!?!?!?! | 04:31 |
| HtheB | and.. now.. it ... just... workss!? | 04:31 |
| HtheB | >.<! | 04:31 |
| HtheB | ok... let's try out the debian file now | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, not sure why but hermes can't update contacts (facebook api change maybe?) | 04:34 |
| HtheB | MohammadAG, | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | (PS3 also failed to publish to facebook today) | 04:34 |
| HtheB | got any command suggestion? | 04:36 |
| HtheB | damn | 04:36 |
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| HtheB | why is my just starts rebooting suddenly agani | 04:36 |
| HtheB | :( | 04:36 |
| HtheB | creating backup now O_o | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | not sure mate, #nitdroid | 04:38 |
| HtheB | yeah I'm at #nitdroid | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | off to bed, night | 04:38 |
| HtheB | no one is alive | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | #nitdroid-help :p | 04:38 |
| HtheB | hahah | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | night | 04:38 |
| HtheB | guess today it will be | 04:38 |
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| HtheB | not a happy ending after all | 04:38 |
| Macer | sorry. didnt se if anybody answered my how is meego on n900 going? | 04:38 |
| Macer | :) | 04:39 |
| HtheB | #meego | 04:39 |
| Macer | any screenshots or anything. i am curious what they will be using as a ui | 04:39 |
| Macer | ah ok | 04:39 |
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| ohwhyme | so how is the usb otg coming along? | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Slowly | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Well | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | OTG can never work - there is hardware breakage - but | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | OTG is to USB host mode what Pizza is to cheese. | 04:46 |
| SpeedEvil | USB host mode in principle can work well - byt progress has stalled, for a number of reasons - rimarily lack of time on some other devs | 04:47 |
| ohwhyme | hiya SpeedEvil :) | 04:48 |
| ohwhyme | i love cheese | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 04:48 |
| ohwhyme | ah okay thanks | 04:48 |
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| ohwhyme | mmm | 04:59 |
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| HtheB | nite all | 05:03 |
| HtheB | tonight, no happy endings =( | 05:03 |
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| D-Iivil | Morning. | 07:09 |
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| cowsong | Afternoon :) | 07:32 |
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| yigal | Anyone here ride a bicycle and use the n900 with external speakers as a stereo? | 07:37 |
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| asj | yigal: there's no way I could beleive they would be loud enough | 07:45 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: wait, what's the problem with usb host? | 07:47 |
| kerio | isn't it *better* than usb otg? | 07:47 |
| kerio | or, well, the same? | 07:48 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: no | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | kerio: OTG = auto-detect | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | host = you have to configure it | 07:58 |
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| ds3 | is OTG working reliably now? | 08:12 |
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| ShadowJK | OTG on N900 is impossible | 08:17 |
| ds3 | s/OTG/host mode/, sorry | 08:17 |
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| Macer | someone needs to learn how to make cars run off of coca cola | 08:27 |
| LiraNuna | <ShadowJK> OTG on N900 is impossible | 08:28 |
| LiraNuna | lacking HW? | 08:28 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 08:30 |
| ShadowJK | not wired up | 08:30 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 08:30 |
| ShadowJK | host mode could be possible though | 08:31 |
| Macer | is host mode really that important? | 08:31 |
| Macer | i suppose an n900 docking station would be nice | 08:31 |
| Macer | with a built in 10" screen and keyboard :) | 08:31 |
| ShadowJK | Well lots of people want to interface with digital cameras, car engine control systems, robots, and other cool stuff | 08:32 |
| Macer | robots! haha | 08:32 |
| ShadowJK | or just occasionally connect a usb flash drive | 08:32 |
| Macer | can't all this be done via bt? | 08:32 |
| ShadowJK | This can all be done by smoke signals | 08:33 |
| ShadowJK | but as with bt it requires effort and pain to convert existing interfaces to something else | 08:33 |
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| ShadowJK | and bt is as fast as smoke signals or carrier pigeons, so.. | 08:34 |
| Macer | haha | 08:34 |
| kerio | not true | 08:35 |
| kerio | you can attach multiple microSDs to a carrier pidgeon | 08:35 |
| ShadowJK | You know, on the topic of using BT or wlan instead of USB, someone suggested the easiest way would be to carry an N810 with custom software to serve as bluetooth/wifi to usb adapter.. | 08:35 |
| kerio | a 1tb pidgeon is way faster than bluetooth | 08:35 |
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| ShadowJK | So obviously if host mode can be made to work, you'd need a phone-sized device less ;-) | 08:36 |
| Macer | well.. bluetooth is 24mbit .. :) | 08:36 |
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| ShadowJK | 3 | 08:36 |
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| Macer | i guess that is a little on the slow side | 08:36 |
| ShadowJK | wlan is about 24Mbit payload data | 08:37 |
| Macer | which spec is the n900 using? | 08:37 |
| ShadowJK | bt2.1 | 08:37 |
| ShadowJK | 802.11g | 08:37 |
| kerio | never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of hard drives | 08:37 |
| ShadowJK | newer bluetooth highspeed is basically becoming "negotiatio encryption keys for wlan" anyway | 08:38 |
| Macer | would you see full usb speed from the port in host mode? | 08:39 |
| kerio | sure, why not | 08:40 |
| ShadowJK | Dunno, N810 had more or less full speed with usb flash disks | 08:40 |
| Macer | don't know. just asking. nobody has done it yet for all the world knows it might only go 1mbit | 08:40 |
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| ShadowJK | Um, well, plug you N900 into your PC and select mass-storage mode | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | test transfer speed | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | that gives you idea | 08:42 |
| ShadowJK | though obviously limited by emmc speed | 08:42 |
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| mneptok | Macer: are you Jack Bauer? | 08:42 |
| mneptok | "IF THOSE 12 EPISODES OF 'FMAILY GUY' ARE NOT ON YOUR CELL PHONE IN THE NEXT 37 SECONDS, WE'RE ALL *DEAD*!" | 08:43 |
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| ds3 | USB host mode is very handy for lots of things... it'd would make the N900 as a good laptop replacement | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: how fast is /dev/null? | 09:15 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping | 09:32 |
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| RST38bis | moo all | 09:36 |
| RST38bis | Ah, nice, good old Toxoplasma Godii found meddling with Worldcup results | 09:36 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ~seen X-Fade | 09:40 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 15h 21m 57s, last said: 'DawnFoster: I'm sorry if you feel offended, this is again a 'Can't see the face' issue.'. | 09:40 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Does someone know can I specify the amount that system notificatino is shown when it's launched via dbus-command? | 09:45 |
| D-Iivil_Work | notificatino => notification | 09:45 |
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| RST38bis | afaik you cannot | 09:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | RST38bis, yeah.. though so because there's no documentation about it anywhere. | 09:50 |
| RST38bis | but I may be wrong | 09:50 |
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| akshey | Hi, How can I know the version of firefox installed in n900? | 10:36 |
| Zucca | I'm thikin some kind of a script to check my irssi away.log when internet connection is established. I know how to do notifications trough cli, but is it possible to have sms like notification? Like fMMS notifies user with a notification that first pop up, then if user does not click/tap on it, the message goes to background and can be seen as yellow window at the list of open windows. | 10:37 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: jabber_notify.pl | 10:38 |
| akshey | is the latest version of firefox already pushed to ovi store? | 10:38 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: Thanks. :) | 10:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | bleh, should have got proporta usb turbocharger lol, spent me money on dc-11 to find out it's equipped with puny 1500mAh | 10:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:46 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Morning Jaffa | 10:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Hmm. Can you run "/opt/hermes/bin/hermes >log 2>&1" and send me the output? I didn't have a problem yesterday | 10:46 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, ping | 10:46 |
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| pupnik_ | lets stuff the deepsea horizons gusher ... with ipad owners. | 10:56 |
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| seif_ | hey guys | 11:00 |
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| seif_ | theis ryan abel around | 11:01 |
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| ian_r | he's probably sleeping. it's 4am in his time zone. | 11:03 |
| ian_r | morning all. | 11:03 |
| seif_ | oh ok | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | morning ian_r | 11:04 |
| seif_ | we recieved mails for the loan n9001 | 11:04 |
| seif_ | but i missed it | 11:04 |
| seif_ | so i replied last week | 11:04 |
| ian_r | i finally uploaded the okuda theme to extras-devel | 11:04 |
| seif_ | ian_r, http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/lKuSNbySprKjXWvzYmzfmw?feat=directlink | 11:04 |
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| ian_r | sorry, i don't actually know what that is seif_ | 11:08 |
| seif_ | ian_r, its ok | 11:08 |
| seif_ | ian_r, its zeitgeist running on maemo | 11:08 |
| ian_r | indeed | 11:08 |
| seif_ | we r working on having maemo to be bale to answer "most used contacts per location and time period" | 11:08 |
| seif_ | so when u are at work ur quick list changes according to who u call most at work | 11:09 |
| ian_r | nice | 11:09 |
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| jacekowski | seif_: based on time or gps? | 11:14 |
| seif_ | jacekowski, both | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | do you have estimates of power consumption increase? | 11:15 |
| seif_ | jacekowski, not yet | 11:15 |
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| seif_ | only one of us has an n900 | 11:15 |
| seif_ | i am waiting for mine | 11:15 |
| seif_ | but it uses python | 11:15 |
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| ian_r | so this theme i just uploaded to extras-devel took forever, because it includes around 400 icons. | 11:20 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: hello? | 11:20 |
| ian_r | if any other theme authors want to add icons to their themes, consider starting with the okuda theme source, because it includes an icon template which gets sliced during the build process just like the theme template. | 11:20 |
| ian_r | obviously you could also make your own template layout if the icons i themed aren't the ones you want. | 11:20 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, what theme you're talking about? | 11:22 |
| ian_r | Okuda | 11:22 |
| ian_r | just uploaded to extras-devel | 11:22 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, will check it out now :) | 11:22 |
| ian_r | hildon-theme-okuda | 11:22 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, version 0.1? | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | ian_r: Screenshot? | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | ian_r: The name suggests something Trekky :) | 11:23 |
| ian_r | heh i didn't change the version from stskeeps example theme yet | 11:23 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, no no, just wanted to make sure it's the correct one :) | 11:24 |
| ian_r | yep that's it | 11:24 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, the package filesize is confusing small if it really includes that much icons :P | 11:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, seen my ping earlier? | 11:24 |
| ian_r | Jaffa, i haven't even taken any screenshots of the released version yet | 11:24 |
| ian_r | will do shortly | 11:24 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, looks very nice :) | 11:24 |
| ian_r | better after a reboot :) | 11:25 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, though it's not really my cup of tea in the matter of "genre", but it's really nicely done. | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Yeah, seen my response? | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Hmm. Can you run "/opt/hermes/bin/hermes >log 2>&1" and send me the output? I didn't have a problem yesterday | 11:25 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, custom icons are not shown in scratchbox.. maybe I'll have to test it @ N900 :) | 11:27 |
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| ian_r | heh yeah the icons help | 11:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, the error doesn't show in the log that way :) | 11:28 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, btw, you don't have to use the maemo-optify -function anymore with PR1.2 since the whole "themes" folder is now symlinked to /opt | 11:29 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, and same goes to icons | 11:30 |
| ian_r | thanks, D-livil_Work. i may release some other color schemes at some point. all the graphics are svg so changing colors is quick. and it's open source so hopefully other people will make some variants. | 11:30 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, I find it suprising that people really haven't made variations of themes that already exists. | 11:31 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, well there's one that's made of joppu's carbon... but joppu was upset when the guy how did the modified -version. | 11:31 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, whoa, there's really "few" icons included indeed :D Can't image the amount of work it took... | 11:32 |
| ian_r | D-Iivil_Work there were actually a couple forks of my old maemo 4 themes. heh i was pleased. | 11:32 |
| ian_r | yeah it took a while | 11:32 |
| ian_r | lol that's kind of an understatement | 11:32 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, nice work with that icon template! Will definitely use that in the future! | 11:34 |
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| * timeless smiles | 11:35 | |
| * timeless finally found a hero who can poke people on the other side of the nokia world | 11:35 | |
| D-Iivil_Work | timeless, ? | 11:36 |
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| jacekowski | poke them in the eye | 11:36 |
| timeless | oh, i've been trying to get something @ovi.com fixed for ages | 11:36 |
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| timeless | but i can't find the people or get them to move | 11:36 |
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| timeless | i ran into a guy who has actual influence at a party recently | 11:36 |
| timeless | and he seems to be able to light a fire under their remote pants | 11:37 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Update to v0.8.4; that was fixed within an hour of releasing 0.8.3 :-) | 11:39 |
| ian_r | D-Iivil_Work, great, i look forward to seeing more themes w/ icons! i generated the layout/template with a script my brother wrote back when we were making maemo 4 themes, (and then added and removed various icons manually because i was too lazy to rearrange my whole svg for minor additions). | 11:39 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, well then thank your brother for me ;) | 11:40 |
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| achipa | timeless: you have to make them wear pants first, THEN you can utilize the remote-light-fire-under-pants power | 11:42 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, you there? hi, just need some help with your program if you don't mind :) | 11:43 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: yes? | 11:43 |
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| timeless | i can't even find the people | 11:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, what file in the source package modifies the generated gtkrc -file to use icon theme? | 11:44 |
| timeless | so it's kinda hard for me to get them to do anything let alone trigger the remote powers | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, my alarmed isn't work, I think its missing a python type pacakge | 11:44 |
| dotblank | lol, I really wanted a portrait vkb so I made my own for use in my app | 11:44 |
| psycho_oreos | s/pacakge/package/g | 11:44 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: Shapeshifter, my alarmed isn't work, I think its missing a python type package | 11:44 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: what happens if you run it from the command line as /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py ? | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, it dumps a weird error message, please hang on a tick whilst I pastebin it | 11:45 |
| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, nevermind, already found that and seems like you have hard-coded the "okuda" to be the gtk-icon-theme-name? | 11:45 |
| ian_r | yeah that's probably not the best way to do it... | 11:45 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, that's how I have done it also with Black Plastic. | 11:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, oh, ty, didn't notice there was an update :) | 11:50 |
| ian_r | D-Iivil_Work, btw if you'd like to cover a different set of icons than the ones in my template, you can generate your own layout with the script at the bottom of this old blog post: http://faceted.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/preview-of-our-new-maemo-theme/ | 11:50 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | ian_r, bookmarked :) | 11:51 |
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| akshey | In n900, how can I make the bookmarks, which are shown on the workspace/desktop, to open in firefox instead of the default browser? | 11:53 |
| * D-Iivil_Work wonders what should I do to get Nokia to properly hildonize all of the built-in programs @ N900... | 11:54 | |
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| Shapeshifter | akshey: not sure but maybe you want to use browsers switchboard to set ff as your default browser | 11:54 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm guessing that might work although I never tried desktop bookmarks | 11:54 |
| timeless | akshey: so... | 11:55 |
| akshey | Shapeshifter: thanks. I will try that | 11:55 |
| timeless | please keep in mind that trying to change the "default browser" generally *breaks* the default browser | 11:55 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless: it does? How so? I've set the default browser to opera and microb is still working just fine if I launch it. | 11:55 |
| timeless | i don't think it's the fault of the default browser, merely the hacker who is changing it | 11:55 |
| timeless | shapeshifter: please search bugs.maemo.org | 11:55 |
| akshey | timeless: If I change it back, will it work? | 11:56 |
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| akshey | I mean will it still stay broken? | 11:56 |
| timeless | akshey: afaik, if you uninstall the thing which breaks it, yes | 11:56 |
| akshey | ok | 11:56 |
| timeless | but i don't know if "switching back" fixes it | 11:56 |
| akshey | ok | 11:56 |
| timeless | i have no idea what the thing does, and don't want to know | 11:56 |
| akshey | how is opera? | 11:56 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't see how it is broken. | 11:56 |
| timeless | but i do not support people who try to break it | 11:56 |
| Shapeshifter | because it isn't broken for me. | 11:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, got it: http://pastebin.com/M8Pj81L1 | 11:59 |
| timeless | shapeshifter: bug 10708? | 11:59 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10708 browser keeps opening in full screen mode because of browser switchboard | 11:59 |
| akshey | Shapeshifter: How well does opera work on n900? | 12:00 |
| timeless | opera works... | 12:00 |
| * timeless shrugs | 12:00 | |
| timeless | chromium works too | 12:00 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: mhh, let me have a look what that might be. | 12:00 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: one minute | 12:00 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, forgot to add, I'm running pr1.2, I've checked your talk link but I didn't find anything relevant, or I just gave up after scanning a few pages | 12:01 |
| akshey | timeless: awesome! Is it faster than Firefox mobile? | 12:01 |
| * timeless shrugs | 12:02 | |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: yeah I've never seen that problem before | 12:02 |
| BCMM | chromium is totally unhildonised and a bit clunky, but works | 12:02 |
| dotblank | akshey, faster? maybe.. usable? no | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, bum :/ | 12:02 |
| dotblank | it is but it doesn't behave well | 12:02 |
| timeless | akshey: ask the wrong question, expect to get a misleading answer | 12:02 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: can you please run python from the command line and then type in: from PySide import QtCore | 12:02 |
| akshey | timeless: :) | 12:02 |
| akshey | timeless: thanks for the answer anyways | 12:03 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, got invalid syntax | 12:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | under the letter `t' of import | 12:03 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: ehh, you sure you typed that in right? | 12:04 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, ahh I didn't copy the full line :) forgot the from part.. doh! | 12:04 |
| Shapeshifter | so did that work or throw an error? | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | http://pastebin.com/uHMMi5hK | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah it did | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | I wonder if I should try reinstalling Qt somehow | 12:05 |
| Shapeshifter | okay, so it's not a problem specific to alarmed. Let me link that paste in #python. | 12:06 |
| psycho_oreos | o.O ok | 12:06 |
| akshey | Is there anyway to have tab support in MicroB ? | 12:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol typical busy bunch Shapeshifter :) | 12:08 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: well i asked in #pyside as well. You might want to hang out over there and maybe re-ask the question. You could also try reinstalling pyside and or qt. | 12:09 |
| Shapeshifter | well i doubt Qt itself is the problem. | 12:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, hmm ok I'll give those a try | 12:10 |
| dotblank | Whats modest? | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | thanks :) | 12:10 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: yeah I'm guessing it's a broken install. Works fine here and I'm all up-to-date. | 12:11 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: are you gasper_k on the forum? | 12:12 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, nope :/ | 12:13 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping ping | 12:13 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: mhh so someone else has the same problem like you. so it's probably not a broken install, maybe... | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Wow, double pong ;) | 12:14 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, :D | 12:14 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, you didn't reply earlier to my single ping so I though I'd make it double this time! =D | 12:14 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, could you do me a favor and remove black-plastic-theme -package from extras -repo? | 12:14 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, it differs so much from the testing & devel -version and I'm soon about to promote the testing version to extras anyways. | 12:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, I'm trying apt-get upgrade now, it was trying to install a new hildon-home but I put it on hold for now because I have hacked hildon-home :) | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: That is not that easy. | 12:15 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, it isn't? | 12:15 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, then forget it :D | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: No, as it is also in downloads. | 12:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I though downloads is dynamically generated from the repo... | 12:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | +t | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | I can hide it in Downloads and remove it from extras. But then you need to not forget to ping me to unhide it when it is back in Extras. | 12:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, okay, then do not remove it :) | 12:17 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I'm anyways only three days from quarantee to end for promoting the testing-version. | 12:17 |
| dotblank | ummm | 12:18 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Ah ok, so that is not that long anymore. | 12:18 |
| dotblank | does the internal flash go bad | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, weird, cannot download pyside, I think that's in devels right? | 12:18 |
| dotblank | or does it randomly reboot with a welcome screen | 12:18 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, yeah and then another ten days when I promote the current devel-version to testing... frustrading :D | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/ | 12:19 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Well at least it will make you think twice before uploading half-assed versions :) | 12:19 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, yeah. That's true. | 12:20 |
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| pupnik_ | wow n810 discussions still have adults | 12:20 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Cool :) Led on your device? | 12:21 |
| Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: I think it is, yes | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: LED in contact key | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Ah ;) | 12:21 |
| X-Fade | Pretty awesome. | 12:22 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Next time use the multicolored led on your N900 :) | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | yeah, didn't have it with me | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | but it's an idea | 12:23 |
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| X-Fade | Pretty cool that you can see the glow of your led on the bike too. | 12:24 |
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| dotblank | When I reboot my n900 it allows shows the welcome screen | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I actually shone the light on the bike so it would stand out | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | it was way too dark, so if I didn't paint the bike, you could barely see it | 12:29 |
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| crashanddie | I painted the bike for 10-15 seconds, drew for 10-15 seconds, then left another 20-30 seconds for capturing the stars and decor | 12:29 |
| pupnik_ | let's make a LED/camera p2p networking device | 12:30 |
| pupnik_ | blink, blinkblinkblink, blink... | 12:30 |
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| lcuk | ok so how does the system decide on the focal point pupnik_ - or are you taking it to occur only on dark nights where led will be the brightest? | 12:31 |
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| pupnik_ | worst idea ever :) | 12:31 |
| pupnik_ | i would blink the led in a temporal pattern, and scan for that in successive frames of video | 12:32 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | This can't be happening... the DAMN MICRO-USB felt off second time >:( | 12:32 |
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| X-Fade | Ouch | 12:33 |
| dotblank | can someone test a build of my app to see if the virtual keyboard pops up for you | 12:33 |
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| dotblank | it used to work but not anymore | 12:34 |
| ian_r | Jaffa, et al, here are some screenshots of the okuda theme http://people.ucsc.edu/~iryge/okuda/screenshots/ | 12:34 |
| Jaffa | ian_r: cool | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, sure, no problem | 12:35 |
| lcuk | ian_r, very nice | 12:35 |
| lcuk | D-Iivil_Work, :( | 12:35 |
| ian_r | D-Iivil_Work, that's terrible :( | 12:35 |
| ian_r | thanks lcuk | 12:36 |
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| ian_r | it's in -devel if you want it | 12:36 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, do you want to compile the source or for me to just send you the binary | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, send the source | 12:37 |
| BCMM | smart move :-) | 12:37 |
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| * D-Iivil_Work calls back to Nokia Care... | 12:38 | |
| D-Iivil_Work | This time the damn port last like week or so. | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Did they repair or swap the board? | 12:38 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, let me upload chanegs to git | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivil_Work, no abuse to the device? | 12:39 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, have no idea. All I know it was fast. | 12:39 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, disconnected the USB-cable as usual. | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivil_Work, how old's the device? | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: probably swapped the board then. | 12:39 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, bought it when it was released in finland. | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 12:40 |
| X-Fade | It is not an uncommon problem unfortunately. | 12:40 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, commond problem? I think it is when reading the thread @ tmo... | 12:41 |
| D-Iivil_Work | aaa.. uncommond :d | 12:41 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I missread your post :P | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Double negative ;) | 12:41 |
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| X-Fade | But yeah, the old charge port was so much better :( | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | the CPU in the n900 sleeps at 0MHz? | 12:44 |
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| chem|st | guten morgen sebastian | 12:45 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/groove | 12:45 |
| dotblank | if your using the sbox sdk you going to need libqjson-dev | 12:46 |
| dotblank | your* | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG | k, going to reboot, mount points weren't set properly | 12:47 |
| D-Iivil_Work | WTF. The woman on the other end of the phone (Nokia Care) is telling me that this time my phone needs to be sent to goddamn "central" repair center abroad and it would take several weeks to get it back. | 12:47 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Now I'm really getting pissed off... | 12:47 |
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| * D-Iivil_Work thinks about buying another N900... | 12:49 | |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Maybe a store can do a better job? | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, error: error setting certificate verify locations: | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | CAfile: /usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | CApath: none | 12:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, yeah. I'm going to call directly to the place where they "fixed" it last time. | 12:50 |
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| dotblank | MohammadAG, that only happens inside sbox | 12:51 |
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| dotblank | everywhere else its fine.. its an issue with git in sbox | 12:51 |
| dotblank | its because garage.maemo.org usses https for git | 12:52 |
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| dotblank | uses* | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | dotblank: You can also use git+ssh. | 12:53 |
| dotblank | well for devs I believe | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | Ah yes, no anonymous. | 12:53 |
| lcuk | apt-get install coffee | 12:54 |
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| MohammadAG | E: Package coffee has no installation candidate | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, no debian folder? tsk tsk :P | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | E: Could not open lock file /xfade's/coffee - open (13 Permission denied) | 12:55 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, oh there is.. just not in git repo yet | 12:56 |
| dotblank | trying to keep them separated because it can build for desktop platforms | 12:56 |
| dotblank | although the recent revisions break portability.. but that code will get cleaned up | 12:57 |
| Jaffa | dotblank: X-Fade: The decision to use a self-signed/invalid cert for https://garage.maemo.org is particularly annoying. | 12:58 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Can't we get a valid cert? | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | The cert is valid? | 12:59 |
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| X-Fade | It is a verisign cert? | 12:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: No, it's not. You have to turn SSL cert verification off. | 12:59 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: We don't use self signed certs, really. | 12:59 |
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| dotblank | MohammadAG, also note that most of the buttons on the bottom do not work yet | 13:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Jaffa, seems to be valid cert for me o_O | 13:01 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Jaffa, cert is from VeriSign | 13:01 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, check your clock | 13:01 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: D-Iivil_Work: so why do I need to do the GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY, as desccribed here? https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1071 | 13:01 |
| dotblank | maybe sbox has bad CAs | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: If you see a self signed cert, then you get a man in the middle attack. | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Because curl is not compiled with ssl suport by default. | 13:02 |
| dotblank | I had the same isssue as Jaffa | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Not in all distros. | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, what deps do I need on my N900? | 13:02 |
| dotblank | libqjson | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: So you need to recompile curl or use that env var. | 13:02 |
| dotblank | libqt >= 4.6.2 | 13:02 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Bah. Including curl on fremantle :-( | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | oh, for some reason I thought it was libqjason | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | fail | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Including the one in all debian versions :) | 13:03 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, wasnt that an issue with ondevice builds of curl and effected git and other things too | 13:03 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: We spend many hundereds of euros on ssl certs per year, we really wouldn't go for self signed ones ;) | 13:04 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: are the super testers supposed to appear automagically or is that a cron based copy-over, too ? | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, virtual keyboard worksforme | 13:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Is it possible to launch the in-built backup from command line? I want to get my N900 to make automaticly backups every night. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | achipa: runs twice per hour or so. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | achipa: or maybe once per hour. anyway. | 13:06 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I remember there was a thread @ tmo about this, but lost it. | 13:06 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ah, ok (added some people and was puzzled by not seeing them) | 13:06 |
| dotblank | how does it work in porttrait mode? | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, but it says package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good is not installed | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | achipa: And then there is page cache, so check pages you haven't visited yet ;) | 13:06 |
| dotblank | well vkbd must be broken on my n900 then | 13:06 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, yea ignore that.. | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, it is installed though :p | 13:06 |
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| MohammadAG | dotblank, suggestion, make the list only scroll up/down | 13:09 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, yea Ive been trying to get it to set the size properly... | 13:09 |
| dotblank | Qt seems to ignore my max size requests | 13:09 |
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| MohammadAG | dotblank, umm, grooveshark's free? | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | how is that legal? | 13:12 |
| dotblank | I wonder myself | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 13:39 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 | 13:39 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=72258 WTF? | 13:40 |
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| Zucca | This is relevant to my intrests: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/n900-im-style-notifications-from-python/ But I'm looking for command line command that works. Or a pre-made python script that makes it possible to launch these notification easily from cli. Any suggestions? | 14:21 |
| fabinader | Hi, I'm having trouble implementing Mobile IP because the Youtube plugin on the N900 browser keeps reseting the connection whenever I do handovers, although the interface the socket is attached to is never rest (we use a virtual interface for that), so the only suspect here is the N900 browser being listenet to the ICd2 D-Bus connection status interface so it can reset the Youtube session whenever it receives a Disconnect message t | 14:22 |
| Zucca | I'd just prefer the workin cli command. | 14:22 |
| tybollt | hmm | 14:22 |
| tybollt | so I thought the UI in N900 was cool or something... | 14:22 |
| tybollt | then I tried the SE Xperia X10... heh N900 is a sorry slow and pathetic UI =) | 14:23 |
| Zucca | I know (ba)sh fairly well, but I'm going to learn python sometime. | 14:23 |
| pupnik | fabinader: your post got cutoff after "Disconnect message" | 14:23 |
| fabinader | pupnik: through D-Bus... Does it makes sense? | 14:24 |
| fabinader | pupnik: this is the rest of the original message... | 14:24 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: xperia is gay | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | timeless: you know the answer to that? | 14:24 |
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| fabinader | pupnik: The reason I'm asking this is because I would like to filter out this message being passed to the N900 browser so the Youtube session wouldn't be reset when we are actually doing a handover without changing the device's IPv4 address.... | 14:26 |
| fabinader | pupnik: Or something which would produce the same result :) | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | fabinader: as far as i know interface is taken down during handover | 14:27 |
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| fabinader | jacekowski: yeap it is, but if you are doing something like Mobile IP, your socket is attached to a "virtual interface" which your Home IPv4 Address, which is never taken down.... | 14:28 |
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| fabinader | jacekowski: So in the occurence of a handover the interfaces are indeed taken down and up again, but the packets at the virtual interface can keep being sent as they are jsut queued... | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | why are you doing something like that? | 14:29 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: we are perceiving that specifically the Youtube plugin resets the video session, while the Internet radio keeps doing fine... | 14:30 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: You mean, Mobile IP? | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | fabinader: yes | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | fabinader: what's the point in something like that? | 14:30 |
| pupnik | not having to restart the youtube | 14:32 |
| akoma1s | smoother wifi roaming perhaps? | 14:32 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: well, there are multiple answers, but one very important is to just enable roaming between networks (and network technologies) trying to provide the so-called "seamless connectivity", without interruptions, without IP address changes... And in our case we're doing Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6, so we provide dual-stack connectivity (IPv4 and IPv6) for the N900 no matter whether it is connected to an IPv4, IPv6 or dual-stack ne | 14:32 |
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| fabinader | jacekowski: by assuming the Youtube session needing to be reset when you perceive a disconnection simply inhibits things like that being implemented... | 14:33 |
| * alterego is getting a second N900 in 7 days :D | 14:33 | |
| fabinader | jacekowski: may be OK for the common "today" case, but for the future "seamless connectivity | 14:34 |
| alterego | With two, I can cluster them and get multitouch functionality! woo!!! | 14:34 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: case it will not work | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | alterego, bugger off, you only need 1 device to do multitouch | 14:34 |
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| akoma1s | fabinader: where can one find more about your work? | 14:35 |
| Scelt | http://www.nokian900applications.com/fapman-for-nokia-n900/ - what a name | 14:35 |
| lcuk | fabinader, how would the connection transfer work for things like ssl connections? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | do i assume it wouldnt be a problem | 14:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: sure, when USB host mode comes out and I can plug in two mice :P | 14:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: seriously though, I want another one so I can keep my personal one stable and have another one for dev. | 14:36 |
| lcuk | :) | 14:36 |
| lcuk | wise | 14:36 |
| akoma1s | lcuk: Mobile IP works at a lower layer, shouldn't be noticed by the app | 14:36 |
| fabinader | akomals: At first you can look at RFC 5555, which specifies the Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6 protocol... And we intend to publish our implementation in the future, but at the moment the misbehavior of the N900 browser is delaying us... | 14:36 |
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| akoma1s | fabinader: thanks :) | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | akoma1s, ta - just curiosity - heard about the ipv6 stack being investigated a while ago (at fosdem) so nice to see it beyond speaking | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | fabinader: well, any vpn would do it | 14:37 |
| lcuk | fabinader, does this problem appear to be specific to the youtube stream or is just where you noticed it | 14:37 |
| fabinader | lcuk: Well, it is working with SSL connections because (here is my guessing) the N900 browser itself does not reset the socket connection, but in the Youtube case I believe the Youtube plugin (not the browser itself) is listening to the ICd2 D-Bus messages... Otherwise we would perceive a reset in SSL connections too... | 14:38 |
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| akoma1s | too smart for its own good I guess | 14:38 |
| fabinader | lcuk: in our tests it occurred specifically with Youtube video... | 14:38 |
| fabinader | lcuk: internet radio was OK... | 14:38 |
| akoma1s | perhaps there is some way to filter what messages it's able to receive | 14:39 |
| lcuk | fabinader, in that case, it might be worth filing a bug against the youtube app | 14:39 |
| akoma1s | isn't that closed source? | 14:39 |
| fabinader | lcuk: Regarding Web sessions it is also OK because the way web sessions are implemented today they can handle smoothly IPv4 address chanegs and connectivity disruptions so they don't count... | 14:39 |
| lcuk | doesnt stop you filing a bug | 14:39 |
| fabinader | lcuk: Well, I can do that but then I couldn't prepare my demo in less than two weeks :p | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | fabinader: sorry - what are you trying to do? | 14:40 |
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| fabinader | akomals: I don't know :( | 14:40 |
| lcuk | fabinader, sure - get yourself organised and if its a specific issue file asap | 14:40 |
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| fabinader | SpeedEvil: I'm trying to avoid the Youtube plugin on the N900 browser to reset the Youtube session when I do a handover between Wi-Fi networks or between Wi-Fi and GPRS... | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | don't use the browser? | 14:41 |
| BCMM | youtube-dl works | 14:42 |
| akoma1s | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is your friend, intercept there | 14:42 |
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| BCMM | and resumes, iirc | 14:42 |
| fabinader | lcuk: for now if I could just filter out the ICd2 messages to the Youtube plugin I would be OK... | 14:42 |
| Scelt | does the author of fapman application lie in here? | 14:42 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, watching cat movies whilst seamlessly transitioning between connectivity methods is a high priority real world use case for testing things! | 14:42 |
| lcuk | the spice must flow | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:42 |
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| fabinader | SpeedEvil: Well, I can do that, but then I couldn't demonstrate the exact purpose of DSMIPv6 :( | 14:42 |
| lcuk | http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/05/spice_must_flow.jpg | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant - use another browser | 14:43 |
| tobis87 | X-Fade: The safest way to get around the self-signed certificates error would be using the perspectives plugin: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~perspectives/ | 14:43 |
| fabinader | akomals: Do I, as a D-Bus message sender, have any power to filter out the receivers of that message? Or at least do the filtering at the console? | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | fabinader: this is the equivalent of an IPV4 VPN that reconnects over changes/ | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | tobis87: We don't have any self-signed certs. | 14:44 |
| fabinader | Yeap, it is a similar problem... | 14:44 |
| fabinader | SpeedEvil: Yeap, it is a similar problem... | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 14:45 |
| fabinader | SpeedEvil: do you know of any fixes VPN guys have for this issue? | 14:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | nope, sorry. | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I just wish icd2 was open | 14:45 |
| fabinader | SpeedEvil: me too :( | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | it's getting in the way a lot. | 14:45 |
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| akoma1s | icd2 is closed, youtube thing closed too | 14:45 |
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| akoma1s | intercepting seems to be the only way to me | 14:46 |
| fabinader | akomals: What do you mean by DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS? Do I, as a D-Bus message sender, have any power to filter out the receivers of that message? Or at least do the filtering at the console? | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It annoys frals, for fmms, and many people that want to fix wifi authentication for their platform, and people that want to tether over wifi, and ... | 14:46 |
| tobis87 | X-Fade: ok, but the plugin is still helpfull for all these website, which do use self-signed certificates | 14:46 |
| fabinader | SpeedEvil: ConnMan in the next device is open, so there we may have power to change something :) | 14:46 |
| akoma1s | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is an environment variable telling the application where to find the session's dbus daemon | 14:47 |
| akoma1s | so, | 14:47 |
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| akoma1s | first try running the browser with this variable unset | 14:48 |
| akoma1s | if that fails | 14:48 |
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| akoma1s | you'll have to run a 2nd, hacked, copy of dbus-daemon that strips the icd2 messages and redirect the browser to this one | 14:49 |
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| fabinader | akomals: once I know the PID of the D-Bus daemon, do you know of any interface on this daemon where I can filter out messages? I mean, I'm worried that once I do such thing the ICd2 UI components stop working also, as in my perception they rely on the ICd2 messages through D-Bus to update the connectivity status indication on the UI... | 14:50 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: xperia has a cool UI. | 14:50 |
| akoma1s | you'll of course have to write an app that relays the messages from the normal session dbus daemon to your hacked dbus daemon | 14:50 |
| fabinader | akomals: hum... | 14:50 |
| akoma1s | fabinader: sorry, | 14:50 |
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| akoma1s | what I meant, is run the browser (which hosts the youtube plugin I guess) with $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS unset | 14:51 |
| akoma1s | and see how it goes | 14:51 |
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| akoma1s | if that fails, run a 2nd dbus-daemon by hand and point the browser (through $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS) to that one | 14:52 |
| akoma1s | the rest of the system should be unaffected by this | 14:52 |
| fabinader | akomals: Oh, OK... I see your point... | 14:52 |
| akoma1s | you'll definitely have to read up a bit on dbus-daemon if the first method fails | 14:53 |
| fabinader | akkomals: the dbis-daemon used by the N900 is open-sourced, right? | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | sbus- | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | dbus-* | 14:54 |
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| akoma1s | if it isn't, they're violating the license | 14:55 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: sorry, your message came truncated.... | 14:55 |
| akoma1s | disclaimer here: unfortunately I don't own a N900 so I can't check it myself | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | it didn't | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | i was just correcting your spelling | 14:56 |
| fabinader | jacekowski: oh, thanks :) s is near to d :p | 14:56 |
| fabinader | akomals: thanks for the hint, I'll try those approaches... | 14:57 |
| akoma1s | please report back if it works :) | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | akoma1s: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 14:57 |
| akoma1s | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 14:58 |
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| fabinader | akomals: I have first to discover the process name (or processes' names) of the native browser, but at least 'ps' may eb my friend :) | 15:00 |
| akoma1s | I was about to ask what is the executable of it in fact :) | 15:01 |
| akoma1s | I think it's called Micro-P or something like that | 15:01 |
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| akoma1s | just checked, it's called MicroB | 15:05 |
| akoma1s | and there's a "tablet-browser-daemon" involved, which complicates things a bit | 15:06 |
| fabinader | akomals: Thatś right... But there isn't a process named MicroB or something related when the browser is running just /usr/bin/browser and /usr/sbin/browserd | 15:07 |
| fabinader | akomals: and they fit on the descriptionyou just made :) | 15:07 |
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| akoma1s | nice :) | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | browserd is the 'microb' framework. | 15:09 |
| akoma1s | btw, please write my nick with a one(1), so I'm notified of your messages | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | This implements the 'bookmarks' app, the conversations app, and the browser. | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The browser is confusingly also known as microb | 15:09 |
| fabinader | SpeedEvil: so the browserd process would be the one to look, right? | 15:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | sorry - I've just woken up - what are you trying to do again | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - dbus lies | 15:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - you're probably looking in /etc/X11/X11.post - for where browserd is started | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | and wrap it - possibly | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I am unsure what elements of the browser are open source | 15:11 |
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| fabinader | SpeedEvil: thanks also... | 15:12 |
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| fabinader | akomals: sorry, I'm an IRC newbie... isn't just necessary to write <nickname>: ? | 15:13 |
| FireFly | Yes it is, but the l is an 1 ;) | 15:13 |
| akoma1s | I meant you're misspelling my nick :) | 15:13 |
| FireFly | that is, the lowercase L is a one | 15:13 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at annoying people with strange chars in their nicks. | 15:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | Sometimes you can't use a client with easy completion. | 15:13 |
| akoma1s | sorry about that, it makes perfect sense in my language :) | 15:14 |
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| fabinader | akoma1s: sorry :p | 15:16 |
| tybollt | hmm | 15:16 |
| akoma1s | np, at first I thought my client had bugged :) | 15:16 |
| tybollt | is there a usable meego image yet? | 15:16 |
| tybollt | as in not the initial only-xterm thing | 15:16 |
| fabinader | akoma1s: just realized that... I'm using the web interface, and the font selection of Iceweasel doesn help much.... | 15:16 |
| akoma1s | I see :/ | 15:17 |
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| kerio | iceweasel? | 15:18 |
| akoma1s | the "really free" version of firefox | 15:18 |
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| FireFly | fabinader, though I'm pretty sure it should default to monospace, and every modern browser ought to have a monospace font :\ | 15:20 |
| tybollt | does N900 have ring signals customizable per contact? | 15:21 |
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| redeeman | tybollt, i dont think so | 15:22 |
| akoma1s | I'm using DejaVu Mono here, and 1 and l are not that distinguisable either | 15:25 |
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| frals | tybollt: i think there is some app adding that now | 15:30 |
| akoma1s | fabinader: if you edit a script to do it, assuming it was calling "browser", change the line to "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS= browser". Note the space between "=" and "browser"! | 15:31 |
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| pupnik | apple releases iPhone 4.1! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4764273405_396564c798_b.jpg | 15:35 |
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| tybollt | frals: which one :D | 15:36 |
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| MohammadAG | lol pupnik | 15:37 |
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| frals | tybollt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=729777#post729777 | 15:41 |
| frals | tybollt: dunno status on it though | 15:41 |
| E0x | pupnik: that don't look bad | 15:41 |
| E0x | :D | 15:41 |
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| * SpeedEvil giggles. | 15:43 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it inappropriate to say 'If all your friends use spiral distorted faces, you might want to reconsider who you know.' | 15:43 |
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| pupnik | 7" Cortex-A8 tablet (android) $200-250 http://shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/tablets/1360-first-look-a81-sub-usd-200-mountable-tablet-sports-removable-battery-android-21-cortex-8-processor-and-features-galore | 15:46 |
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| tybollt | frals: hrrrm I forget the name of .se company that makes car mounts for various handhelds and cell phone, you remember? | 15:54 |
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| frals | no idea | 15:55 |
| frals | never even been looking at getting one :) | 15:55 |
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| alterego | So he's revieing a tablet and talks about the carrying case being able to hold paper and pens. pahahah | 15:56 |
| alterego | Also, "I'm going to do an unboxing, but we've actually already unboxed it." | 15:57 |
| alterego | I hate unboxing videos, they're the most retarded freakin' thing ... | 15:57 |
| lcuk | alterego, its become a part of the experience | 15:57 |
| alterego | It's horrible .. | 15:58 |
| alterego | It makes me want to scratch my eyes out .. | 15:58 |
| lcuk | n900 hackerbox was awesome :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324t0R9NSZk | 15:58 |
| alterego | Don't get me wrong, I love unboxing gadgets, I just don't understand why the blogosphere and youtube nation think it's a good idea to do retard unboxcing vids. | 15:58 |
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| frals | i have to agree, when all they do is removing it from the friggin standard box... its not something i need to see | 15:59 |
| alterego | :) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | alterego, just because you do not see the sense in something does not make it retarded | 15:59 |
| frals | but if its like the hacker case something a tad special i can see the point | 15:59 |
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| frals | but unboxing the regular n900 is something you can take 2 pictures off and be done with really :D | 16:00 |
| alterego | I don't see the point :P | 16:00 |
| lcuk | frals, prove it | 16:00 |
| alterego | 1) Picture of box. 2) Picture of box, open with all contents on table. | 16:00 |
| alterego | That's all I need! | 16:00 |
| lcuk | go on then | 16:00 |
| frals | ok 3 pictures, complete box, first part lifted, and then all package.. imo :) | 16:01 |
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| frals | lcuk: ill do it when i get home, i happen to have a pristine box there! | 16:01 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:01 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:01 |
| lcuk | please be adding troutyness to it | 16:01 |
| frals | ah, that reminds me, need to do some shopping on my way home | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | :D | 16:02 |
| frals | finally got a working freezer in my apartment | 16:02 |
| lcuk | +100 | 16:02 |
| lcuk | did you post unboxing video of freezer? | 16:02 |
| frals | not being able to have ice cream at home _sucks_ | 16:02 |
| frals | tis wasnt a new one :( | 16:02 |
| frals | and super installed it while i was at work :D | 16:02 |
| lcuk | ok, unboxing your shopping should be feasible to make up | 16:02 |
| frals | finns and communicating... i only toldim my old freezer was broken.. and a few days later when i got home they had put a new one in | 16:03 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:03 |
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| frals | and the next day i get an email saying "yeah we left your old fridge since you were using it, let us know if we should pick it up since this unit got both fridge+freezer" | 16:03 |
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| alterego | frals: who's super? | 16:04 |
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| frals | teh super! hyresvärden! | 16:04 |
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| * alterego is lost .. | 16:04 | |
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| frals | oh sorry | 16:04 |
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| * alterego tries to remember what he's doing .. | 16:05 | |
| frals | the err manager of the apartment building | 16:05 |
| alterego | Oh, that's right. NMEA output | 16:05 |
| alterego | Sweet, | 16:05 |
| kerio | how does the hackbox work? | 16:05 |
| kerio | did someone hack it? | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: you mean you're faking NMEA? | 16:06 |
| lcuk | kerio, did you read/watch | 16:06 |
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| kerio | i watched the video | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Or reading from some external source | 16:06 |
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| kerio | no, i was wondering if someone actually hacked it | 16:06 |
| kerio | is that just a simple chip connected to the opening circuit? | 16:06 |
| kerio | how does it power? | 16:07 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: faking it. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:07 |
| lcuk | kerio, usb supplies power.. | 16:07 |
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| kerio | i see | 16:07 |
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| alterego | I'm implementing Bluetooth serial, USB serial and UDP/TCP connection NMEA streaming from my app. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Have you worked out where the GPS actually comed from in the lowest instance? | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Or are you just doing location-lib | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | liblocation | 16:08 |
| alterego | liblocation, but there is gpsd I thought? | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: you missed gpsd | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm - I'm unsure - I thought not | 16:08 |
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| alterego | Oh, no, there isn't. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought that there was gpsd compiled and in the repos, but it doesn't work - as it was assuming there was a source for NMEA - and there isn't one | 16:09 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: ping | 16:09 |
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| alterego | Yeah, would be pretty useless. | 16:09 |
| alterego | Looks like liblocation is the only way to go then. | 16:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | pong | 16:09 |
| alterego | Not that I mind, makes my application more portable .. | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: DUI==MTF | 16:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | Driving Under the Influence is a terrible abbr to attempt to coopt :) | 16:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | besides, microsoft already had a dui :) | 16:10 |
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| alterego | bbiam | 16:12 |
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| GAN900 | Dumbass acronym collisions. | 16:14 |
| GAN900 | Serious, which idiot in marketing thought up that one? | 16:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | iirc there were two such idiots :) | 16:15 |
| GAN900 | Restarting to change themes. . . . | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | one in maemo and one in symbian :) | 16:15 |
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| GAN900 | Talk about half-assed theme engines. | 16:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: which platform is that? | 16:16 |
| alterego | Hrm, how do I read the light sensor, I want to use it to auto-switch between day/night mode in my app :) | 16:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: very slowly | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise you'll piss me off :) | 16:16 |
| alterego | Yes :P | 16:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | often a user will brush up against the screen or something | 16:17 |
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| alterego | There will probably be a 10 second grace period. | 16:17 |
| alterego | and it's a configurable option :P | 16:17 |
| lcuk | i use left hand and am always covering up sensor | 16:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, me too. | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | Maemo--the most Windows 98-like Linux you've ever used! | 16:18 |
| alterego | Do you know how I read it? sysfs? | 16:18 |
| luke-jr | I keep my N900 in the N810's pouch... | 16:18 |
| lcuk | GAN900, which theme | 16:18 |
| Termana | Silly right handed people. Now you realise why left handers exist. | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, any themel | 16:18 |
| alterego | luke-jr: does it fit? I'm gonna try that. I've been keeping mine in the 770 pouch :D | 16:18 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, because the theme engine is shit and half the OS is unthemable. | 16:18 |
| luke-jr | alterego: it fits very loosely | 16:18 |
| alterego | Termana: to piss apple off it seems :P | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | Or requires labour-intensive workarounds. | 16:19 |
| alterego | Though isn't Mr Jobs a lefty ... | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | what I don't get is why N900 didn't include a case as well | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | or maybe it did, and I just didn't get one...? | 16:19 |
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| Jartza | what case? | 16:19 |
| Jartza | I didn't get any case :) | 16:19 |
| luke-jr | Jartza: N810 came w/ a case | 16:19 |
| lcuk | GAN900, please be specific and tell me which part of changing theme tells you/forces you to reboot and is it specific themes or something you have installed | 16:20 |
| luke-jr | it also came with half a car mount | 16:20 |
| alterego | luke-jr: it didn't they really cut corners, no extra stylus or case. | 16:20 |
| luke-jr | and a wall charger | 16:20 |
| alterego | 770 had both, as did N800 and N810 | 16:20 |
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| luke-jr | my N810 didn't have an extra stylus | 16:20 |
| alterego | luke-jr: mine did :P | 16:20 |
| Termana | My n810 came with an extra | 16:20 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, you got ripped off! shamed! :P | 16:21 |
| Jartza | I don't have n810 | 16:21 |
| Jartza | I only have n800 and n900 | 16:21 |
| luke-jr | Termana: the stylus was the least of the ripoffness | 16:21 |
| alterego | I've got all the tablets :/ | 16:21 |
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| Termana | alterego, the n900 is a phone not a tablet *giggles and hides* | 16:22 |
| alterego | Probably skip the next device unless I get it cheap. Don't think they'll do DDP for the next one though :( | 16:22 |
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| luke-jr | curiously, I can see myself using N810 rather than N900 when we finish the mainline Linux port | 16:22 |
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| luke-jr | mostly because of the keyboard | 16:23 |
| Termana | luke-jr, because you can be tracked with GSM? Will you also be doing your web surfing by wget and email? | 16:23 |
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| Termana | :P | 16:23 |
| luke-jr | Termana: you can be tracked with GSM? even in Nebraska where there's no GSM service? | 16:23 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: yes | 16:24 |
| Termana | luke-jr, no GSM service at all? :P | 16:24 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:24 |
| luke-jr | Termana: meh, except AT&T | 16:24 |
| luke-jr | I can't afford AT&T's *talk* plans, let alone data -.-;; | 16:24 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, I have a solution for that. | 16:25 |
| Termana | :D | 16:25 |
| luke-jr | Termana: no, you don't. | 16:25 |
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| Termana | :P | 16:25 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: unless you have a way to get me passports and leave Nebraska without authorization | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | did you apply for one? :P | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Unfortunately, the fleet of maemo black helicopters is down due to a regression in PR1.2. Waiting for 1.3 | 16:27 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, ever wanted to be an Australian citizen? | 16:27 |
| Termana | :P | 16:27 |
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| tybollt | frals: brodit.se | 16:27 |
| alterego | Anyone here good at trig? | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: you can't get a passport? | 16:28 |
| luke-jr | Termana: possibly, but I suspect they're more than willing to export me back if Nebraska so demands; I also will not agree to their immigration terms | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: why you can't leave nebraska | 16:29 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: applying for one would get me punished, and the application denied probably | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: are you a criminal or something? | 16:29 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: Nebraska is a tyrannical State | 16:29 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Wasn't there a period when Symbian's was called DirectUI as well? | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: seriously? | 16:29 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: seriously. | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | oO | 16:29 |
| Termana | lol. Yes, luke-jr is the masked serial murderer. And they have given him internet access in jail | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa: probably yes | 16:30 |
| jacekowski | in poland if you are willing to pay 2x as much as normal people pay you can get passport in 48h | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: there's MTF and Orbit | 16:30 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: my wife has a mental disorder; as a result, the State claims custody of our children until we get a legal separation; the State also has laws requring court permission to leave if one is separated with children | 16:30 |
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| jacekowski | well, i can just take my passport and go everywhere | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | and if it expires i just pay i think it's 140pln or 280pln if i want it done in 48h | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | and get new one | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | and i can go everywhere except us | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | US* | 16:32 |
| Termana | jacekowski, visa waiver laws? | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, font colors. | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, most of the icons. | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, some other system colors here and there. | 16:32 |
| Termana | jacekowski, or you still need to apply for a visa? | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, ian_r may file some bugs, although the fact that the likelihood of them being fixed is quickly approaching zero is high. | 16:33 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, and a lot of them have been around since the 770. | 16:33 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, and it aint the theme. | 16:34 |
| Termana | GAN900, you cynic you | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, it's Maemo's incredibly broken theming engine. :) | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | Termana: well, my visa app got denied | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | Termana: so i told bitch at the embassy what i'm thinking about her | 16:35 |
| lcuk | GAN900, well that told me. but you havent mentioned specifics nor why you didnt file these as bugs in the 770 days | 16:35 |
| Termana | jacekowski, for the US, i know. But do you need to do visa applications for other countries or are they all included under visa waiver laws? | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | Termana: it's only US that requires travel visa | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | Termana: at least from me | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | Termana: all other countries i either can get visa at the border or travel without visa | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, they have been filed. :) | 16:36 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, unfortunately they've been ignored, "fixed", or regressed. | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, russia requires visa | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | but to get russian visa all you have to do is pay | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, I really don't have time this morning to go dig up bug numbers for you. | 16:37 |
| Termana | jacekowski, in soviet russian, visa requires you! | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Japan? | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | nope | 16:38 |
| GAN900 | New Zealand? | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | nope | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | japan requires return ticket | 16:38 |
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| jacekowski | and passport valid for at least 6 more months | 16:38 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, do you use any third party themes? | 16:39 |
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| jacekowski | i would need visa for egypt but you get that on the airport after you pay i think $50 | 16:39 |
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| tybollt | yes | 16:40 |
| tybollt | I was in egypt couple of months ago | 16:40 |
| tybollt | that's how it works | 16:40 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, when i remember they are there | 16:40 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: so what's someone to do if they can't get a passport? ;) | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: well, as long as you can pay you can get a passport | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | unless you are underage | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | I mean a real one | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | then it's PITA | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: it's real one | 16:42 |
| smhar | yahoooo, I just got my N900 :-) | 16:42 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: government here won't give me one | 16:42 |
| Termana | jacekowski, I think luke-jr is trying to get a passport inside the US, in an unofficial manner ;) | 16:42 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, don't tell me you've never noticed how broken theming is, then. | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | us passport have all these fingerprints and all stuff in them | 16:43 |
| smhar | I want to start adding contacts and applications but I am holding myself because I think the first thing to do should be upgrading it to 1.2 | 16:43 |
| vanadismobile | smhar, do the update first... | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | smhar: yep, do full flash | 16:43 |
| smhar | any quick link on this? | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 16:44 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:44 |
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| jacekowski | full fiasco image flash + eMMC | 16:44 |
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| GAN900 | Apparently short drops to carpet cause shutdown now. | 16:45 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | i think that's because of battery contacts | 16:46 |
| Termana | Firstly, its probably not a good idea to be dropping it in the first place | 16:46 |
| Termana | carpet or not | 16:46 |
| GAN900 | Termana, color me clumsy | 16:46 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, if you have the power to fix the theme engine, then do so. | 16:47 |
| Termana | GAN900, more like "The hell, you need to shut down to change themes? I'll show you!" | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I'm not sure I'd be willing to get fingerprinted, in any case | 16:47 |
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| Termana | :P | 16:47 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, if not, well, don't play "Pass the blame to the user because he can't feed me bug numbers". | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | having fingerprints taken is for criminals | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, to be knowledgable about the problems it helps to see the specific reports so i can then engage in the right kind of discussion with the right people | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: write to your MP | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | wtf is a MP | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, then talk to ian_r. | 16:49 |
| lcuk | if the issue is related to custom themes and the way they are doing it differently, then it should be addresses | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, actually, writing to a senator isn't a bad idea. | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | member of parliament | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | or whatever you've got in there | 16:49 |
| lcuk | well no GAN900 if you, ian_r or anyone else has a technical issue then bring it up properly | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, the issueS are related to generally terrible theme handling. | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, synthesize.us. | 16:50 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, LCARS guy. | 16:50 |
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| luke-jr | as if they'd care | 16:50 |
| smhar | I downloaded maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb . this is the correct flasher for debian, right? | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, can't hurt. | 16:51 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: actually, can | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, unfortunately Nokia and its developers have done an unbelievably excellent job of disincentivizing that. | 16:51 |
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| zap | Hello! Does GTK from Maemo contain the GtkFileChooserDialog class? I'm getting errors from Glade when trying to load my .glade file | 16:52 |
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| smhar | what is the eMMC? | 16:53 |
| luke-jr | smhar: internal flash drive | 16:53 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, when long standing contributors say "I found a lot of bugs, but it's not worth my time to file them." we've got a problem. | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, when long standing contributors have a hissy fit in the channel instead of giving me something concrete i can discuss with people, yes i agree we have a problem. | 16:56 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 16:56 |
| tybollt | GAN900: why? cause maemo is essentially a dead end, or? | 16:56 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: who said that? | 16:56 |
| tybollt | lcuk: where else should people throw their hissy fits? :P | 16:57 |
| smhar | jacekowski, but there is no memory card included? | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | smhar: there is flash inside | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | zap, afaik, yes it does | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | smhar: there is NAND which is flashed from fiasco image | 16:57 |
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| jacekowski | smhar: and eMMC which is flashed with eMMC image | 16:58 |
| frals | ~curse scratchbox | 16:58 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, scratchbox ! | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | smhar: and NAND is a lot faster but it's smaller | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | ~trout frals | 16:58 |
| * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! | 16:58 | |
| * jacekowski slaps MohammadAG | 16:58 | |
| frals | oi thats my line! | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | ~frals | 16:58 |
| infobot | from memory, frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS | 16:58 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:58 |
| frals | ! | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | ~MohammadAG | 16:59 |
| infobot | it has been said that mohammadag is special | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:59 |
| lcuk | ~lcuk | 16:59 |
| infobot | you are probably a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. | 16:59 |
| kerio | mohammadawg | 16:59 |
| lcuk | sage | 16:59 |
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| jacekowski | ~jacekowski | 16:59 |
| tybollt | ~jacekowksi | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | hmmmmmm | 16:59 |
| * MohammadAG would define that as a swear word but.. | 16:59 | |
| kerio | ~kerio | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | ehhhh | 17:00 |
| smhar | jacekowski, so since I only have the internal flash now, I should use the fiasco image? | 17:00 |
| lcuk | well whenever i see jacekowski i think of cat from red dwarf | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | smhar: no | 17:00 |
| tybollt | HAHAHA =) | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | ~jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | smhar: there are 2 types of memory builtin | 17:00 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: okay | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, happy? | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | smhar: NAND flash and eMMC | 17:00 |
| lcuk | he once said the word jacekowski is the sound you make when reading a book in the nude and you close it on your genitals | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | smhar: + you can add uSD card | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | smhar: you have to flash fiasco + eMMC | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | now you can try <jacekowski> ~jacekowski :P | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | Payam Samii [xxxxx.xxxxx@ | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | I can't find this file anywhere. | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | can you send it to me or tell me where i can download it from. | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | Thanks. | 17:01 |
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| smhar | jacekowski, got it | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | some people are just stupid | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, apologies i spelt it wrong, but i think of this line every time i see your name :$ | 17:03 |
| lcuk | What word does Cat want to use while playing Scrabble? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | Jozxyqk. He claims that it's a cat word for the noise you make when you gets your genitals trapped in a heavy object. http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Television/Red-Dwarf--Series-3-11349.html | 17:04 |
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| * lcuk found video of it o_O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2u_DVkK1Rc | 17:05 | |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, because half the time they're marked INVALID or WONTFIX, and the other half they're ignored. | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, the third half are only fixed on a version you can't upgrade to. | 17:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm still wondering how people will deal with open roadmapping, as in, you can actually understand why a feature won't go in tomorrow's image | 17:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - what? We have that | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | nevermind | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not awake | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought I was in #openstreetmap | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Combined with the ability to force upgrades, I'd have no issues. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I am however not a typical user. | 17:08 |
| smhar | it seems I need to first fully charge the device before, so flashing is postponed | 17:09 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: 'third half'... I like that ;) | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:16 |
| Termana | tybollt, lol | 17:16 |
| tybollt | GAN900: yeah... that is kind of INCREDIBLY annoying... that the fixes are made to $RELEASETHATMAYORMAYNOTAPPEARINTHEFTURE | 17:17 |
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| Termana | Maybe I've gone crazy, but I found this in my twitter stream - "Canonical: Please remove your Thumb2 requirement for ARM Ubuntu Lucid and newer! We can't run that on our OMAP A8 N900!" | 17:18 |
| Termana | lol what? OMAP3430 supports Thumb2 | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: OMAP thumb is buggy | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | how buggy? | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | non-present workarounds required - or fundamentally irretrievably broken | 17:19 |
| zap | MohammadAG: I get this: GLIB WARNING ** libglade - unknown widget class 'GtkFileChooserDialog' | 17:19 |
| tybollt | ubuntu on the n900 | 17:19 |
| tybollt | I say... :) | 17:19 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, buggy as in it doesn't work at all, buggy as in it crashes when thumb2 code is used? what? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | latter and it's disabled in kernel | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | to my knowledge | 17:21 |
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| Termana | pain | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | can probably enable it in kernel but it will be slow or something | 17:23 |
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| zap | hmm, HildonFileChooserDialog is not even documented in maemo4 docs... | 17:25 |
| Termana | Its lucky Debian doesn't do that thankfully. Don't know about other distros. | 17:25 |
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| Milo- | hmm, wish my N900 had thermometer to measure the current room temperature | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, if only it actually weren't so depressing. | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | Milo-: Heh, then you are in luck as it has one. | 17:31 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 17:31 |
| LinuxCode | as did the N810 | 17:31 |
| Milo- | X-Fade it does? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | Sure, multiple probably even. | 17:32 |
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| Termana | X-Fade, I don't think the thermometers that measure board temperature etc. is exactly what he's looking for ;) | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | Termana: Well if the device is idle, it is probably close enough. | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | Termana: And the touchscreen temperature one is quite ok. | 17:35 |
| tybollt | GAN900: agree | 17:36 |
| tybollt | d | 17:36 |
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| nas_ | Milo- is there battery or cpu temprature ? but ok , it isn't room temprature .. use arduino + bluetooth for that ;) | 17:37 |
| smhar | while waiting for the battery charge to complete to start upgrading to 1.2, wile in wifi zone, I am checking N900, and I found an option in update to download and update to Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1.003, which is 113.6 MB . what is this? should I go fo it? | 17:39 |
| kerio | sure | 17:40 |
| kerio | wait, what | 17:40 |
| kerio | isn't that the same thing? | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | that is 1.2 | 17:42 |
| smhar | kerio, so I can just download 1.2 using N900 and upgrade it without connecting to the computer? | 17:43 |
| kerio | yup | 17:43 |
| kerio | it's awesome like that | 17:43 |
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| smhar | and no need to download and install the flasher?\ | 17:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unless you've done wierd stuff, and installed wierd stuff, for example. | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it won't update | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise - it just updates over the air | 17:44 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: like what? | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | for exmaple - some packages from extras-devel have broken upgrades | 17:44 |
| smhar | SpeedEvil, it is a brand new one | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - then it should proceed with no problems | 17:45 |
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| kerio | well | 17:48 |
| kerio | if it's brand new you might as well use the flasher | 17:48 |
| kerio | OTA is nice if you have done, you know, things with it | 17:49 |
| kerio | so you don't lose data | 17:49 |
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| smhar | where is '|' in the keyboard?!! | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | depends | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | smhar: it's symbols | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | typically in the onscreen keyboard | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | for me because of some quirk it's on Blue-EUR (Sym, C) | 17:52 |
| kerio | smhar: remap the keyboard! | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 | 17:52 |
| povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i think installing the hebrew keymap breaks things such that i get PIPE instead of EUR from the HWK | 17:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | but that's a good thing for me, since i have no use for EUR (or GBP for that matter..) | 17:53 |
| smhar | how to show the onsceen keyboard? | 17:53 |
| kerio | fn+ctrl | 17:53 |
| kerio | it's not the onscreen keyboard | 17:53 |
| kerio | that one is different | 17:53 |
| kerio | and crappy | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | See the above description in the bug | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | basically - you have to press blue, hold blue, press sym, release sym, release blue | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | all four possible presses should work - but they don't | 17:55 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: hmm | 17:55 |
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| kerio | +fn -fn +sym -sym and +fn +sym -(fn and sym in no particular order) works | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | +sym +blue -blue -sym does not work for me | 17:56 |
| kerio | neither for me | 17:56 |
| kerio | i thought that was voluntary | 17:56 |
| kerio | so you could do ctrl+a "blue" key | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Most importantly - mashing the keys at the same time does not bring up the symbol keyb consistently | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | as it's a race condition | 17:57 |
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| aspidites | is there a maemo developer channel? | 18:20 |
| tank-man | all kinds of talk goes on in here | 18:21 |
| kerio | #maemo-devel | 18:21 |
| kerio | #maemo-ui | 18:21 |
| tank-man | oh wow :) | 18:21 |
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| aspidites | kerio: seriously? *face palm* | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:22 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:24 |
| aspidites | well that was easy enough. now to get some answers | 18:25 |
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| tybollt | anyone around here running aava? | 18:43 |
| tybollt | image | 18:43 |
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| trip0 | has anyone been able to make an ftp push to their n900? | 19:10 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, ping? | 19:25 |
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| Milo- | http://u.meelo.org/Powerball.jpg dang, managed to get a nice and clear picture with n900's camera \o/ | 19:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Milo-: Oooh! | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Milo-: Another killer app! | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Virtual powerball | 19:32 |
| Milo- | :D | 19:32 |
| Milo- | hah! | 19:32 |
| Milo- | what a nice idea | 19:33 |
| mikki-kun | what is powerball? Ö.ö | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | It's like a gyroscope with a self-winding mechanism | 19:33 |
| Milo- | SpeedEvil apple has announced that their future device will have a gyrometer | 19:33 |
| Milo- | so you can spin the living heck out of their iPhones | 19:33 |
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| Milo- | mikki-kun powerball has a gyroscope inside it | 19:34 |
| Milo- | very powerful one indeed, when you spin it, it tries to stay 'up' | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | i still don't get what you do with a powerball which has an inbuilt gyroscope built in | 19:34 |
| Milo- | and spinning it harder and faster makes it try even harder | 19:34 |
| Milo- | you spin it very quickly | 19:34 |
| Milo- | and it gets 'heavier' and heavier as the spinning speed builds up | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, i seem t get it | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | i had once one of those | 19:35 |
| zash | mikki-kun: If you twist it, you can make it spin up | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | didn't knew they were called powerball | 19:35 |
| zash | sort of | 19:35 |
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| Milo- | and the faster it moves, the harder it gets to make it spin any faster :P | 19:35 |
| Milo- | and it becomes very difficult to hold on to | 19:36 |
| trip0 | has anyone been able to obex push something to their n900? | 19:36 |
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| jacekowski | http://img685.imageshack.us/i/20100707002w.jpg/ | 19:47 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: that's one hell of a car... i am sure it runs well after all those years | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | well, it's there because gearbox have failed | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You can do a hell of a lot at home. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Recasting a white-metal bushing is quite possible | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Making new ballraces - really not | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | and apparently it's only one still existing | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | in that configuration | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | with that engine | 19:51 |
| mikki-kun | whoah... a relict from the time of dinosaurs then :o | 19:53 |
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| vldcnst | jacekowski: what car is that? | 20:17 |
| vldcnst | ford t? | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | nah | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | that's british | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | wolseley | 20:17 |
| trip0 | cheap knockoff brand | 20:18 |
| trip0 | of ford... | 20:18 |
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| trip0 | :P | 20:18 |
| vldcnst | year? | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | 1906 | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | trip0: bullshit | 20:18 |
| trip0 | :P | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | and registration mark on it is B2000 | 20:19 |
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| D-Iivil | o/ | 20:22 |
| RST38h | "A French company is offering people the chance to get away from it all and be bound and gagged for a day. The company will abduct you without warning, and hold you prisoner for up to 10 hours. " | 20:22 |
| * RST38h wonders if he can order this as a present for a few people | 20:22 | |
| vldcnst | rape included? | 20:22 |
| RST38h | they do not say | 20:23 |
| BugBlue | RST38h: probably, ever heard of 'identity theft' | 20:23 |
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| xim_ | is the autodisconnect app that everyone loves obsolete now? | 20:49 |
| kerio | why? | 20:50 |
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| xim_ | because when i try to installl it i get package incomatibilities | 20:50 |
| xim_ | i was wondering if some official maemo update came along and took its place | 20:50 |
| xim_ | or if my phone is screwey | 20:50 |
| lcuk | remove additional repositories and try again | 20:51 |
| xim_ | no dice, i removed extras development. still says conflict with application packages | 20:53 |
| xim_ | libqt4 stuff and Maemo 5 | 20:53 |
| xim_ | libqt4- opengl sql-sqlite sql svg network phonon | 20:53 |
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| xim_ | my application catalogs are "nokia applications" "nokia system software updates" "ovi" and "maemo.org" | 20:55 |
| xim_ | wait maemo.org is an extra also | 20:55 |
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| xim_ | i dont get why having extra repositories would cause packages to conflict | 20:55 |
| fabinader | Hi, does anybody knows hot to make a running dbus-daemon instance to re-read the policies and re-apply them, without requiring to restart the daemon | 20:55 |
| fabinader | ? | 20:56 |
| ZogG | heeey | 20:56 |
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| Macer | hm | 21:01 |
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| an0therb0x | is there any free app available that will allow me to use the n900 as a wifi hotspot | 21:02 |
| kerio | an0therb0x: mobilehotspot | 21:02 |
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| trip0 | kerio, does it work? | 21:03 |
| kerio | dunno | 21:03 |
| kerio | never tried it | 21:03 |
| trip0 | last time i tried it didnt :( | 21:03 |
| kerio | did you install kernel-power? | 21:04 |
| trip0 | i thought i did at the time... | 21:04 |
| trip0 | but i'm not sure | 21:04 |
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| trip0 | now that i'm sure i have kernel-power, i should try again | 21:04 |
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| an0therb0x | kerio: thanks i will try that out | 21:05 |
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| fabinader | Hi, does anybody knows hot to make a running dbus-daemon instance to re-read the policies and re-apply them, without requiring to restart the daemon? | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | what happens if you send it a HUP? | 21:08 |
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| Veggen | HUP is the semi-standard signal, yes. | 21:09 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, ;) its coming to something when even i cant open/file bugs | 21:16 |
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| kerio | netmon fails under 2g | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Germany for world cup! ##world-cup, DocScrutinizer you're free to join :P | 21:25 |
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| joppu | ok, I got last 10 minutes of a video file corrupted, is there any way to delete that last part and redowload it using wget -c ? | 22:18 |
| BugBlue | if the server supports it... | 22:19 |
| kerio | joppu: dd | 22:20 |
| joppu | bleeter: it does, it's my own one | 22:20 |
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| joppu | deleting part of the file is the main issue | 22:21 |
| joppu | I'm just ret reading dd manpage | 22:22 |
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| villev | can someone actually find stuff by executing tracker-search on n900? | 22:26 |
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| kerio | what's tracker-search? | 22:26 |
| villev | it's a command line tool to search in local tracker database | 22:26 |
| villev | tracker-stats shows that yeah, tracker has tons of stuff indexed. and I can get e.g. id3 tags from tracker-info | 22:27 |
| villev | but tracker-search finds nothing | 22:27 |
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| Macer | whoa | 22:30 |
| Macer | mediabox does portrait now? | 22:30 |
| Macer | FINALLY | 22:30 |
| Macer | haha. a portrait media player | 22:30 |
| Macer | wooooooo! | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG|GER | lol it had portrait for ages!! | 22:31 |
| lcuk | Macer, ukmp has had portrait for donkeys years | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i think konttori wrote it in kindergarden | 22:31 |
| Macer | oh | 22:31 |
| Macer | well. guess i was just out the loop | 22:31 |
| Macer | spraining my wrist to control the built in one | 22:32 |
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| Macer | talking on the n900 while it is charging is awkward | 22:32 |
| Macer | i think i might have to install an outlet in the ceiling | 22:33 |
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| villev | Macer: use headset? | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG|GER | or stand upside down? | 22:35 |
| Myrtti | pwuh | 22:38 |
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| Macer | villev: no | 22:45 |
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| me1ne | greetings maemo'ers, a quick questionnaire: Why has etc/bluetooth/main.conf disabled network, input, hal by default? could this be the reason why sixaxis controller won't connect? | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | me1ne, did you try enabling it and finding out | 22:48 |
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| kerio | wait, so all that the bluetooth DUN package is doing is enabling "network"? | 22:52 |
| kerio | i feel cheated ._. | 22:52 |
| lcuk | kerio, who said that? i just asked a sensible question based on what he had discovered | 22:52 |
| kerio | lcuk: yeah but i have a strong feeling that it's just what it's doing | 22:53 |
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| kerio | wait, that's false | 22:54 |
| kerio | yay | 22:54 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, hmm? | 22:55 |
| lcuk | GAN900, tis ok, just MohammadAG51 being special ;) | 22:55 |
| kerio | what's SHLVL? | 22:56 |
| me1ne | wnt to get the pad, gonna try and comment out that line | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG|GER | lcuk, hmm? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | ooh MohammadAG|GER it now shows my name :P fancy that | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG|GER | lcuk, I'm still against the wording of the bug :P | 22:58 |
| lcuk | then reword it! :p | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG|GER | you reported it! | 22:58 |
| Macer | omfg | 22:58 |
| Macer | this double rainbow guy | 22:58 |
| lcuk | and you reproduced it | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG|GER | NOOOO!!! | 22:59 |
| Macer | http://www.nerdist.com/2010/07/biggest-rainbow-fan-on-earth/ | 22:59 |
| lcuk | lol you said so yourself! | 22:59 |
| Macer | :) | 22:59 |
| Macer | seriously. some people are just disturbed | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG|GER | Goal for spain! | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG|GER | don't talk to me for an hour | 22:59 |
| * cehteh hopes for a silent night | 23:01 | |
| Macer | US still has 5 points | 23:01 |
| Macer | ! | 23:01 |
| Macer | GO USA! | 23:01 |
| * MohammadAG|GER gets over it | 23:02 | |
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| MohammadAG|GER | where were we? | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | interesting to see packet injection from the N900 | 23:03 |
| lbt_ | how do you give an app a screenshot on maemo downloads? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG|GER | lcuk, yeah, I reproduced it, but it's not an official rotation method, so it should be, imho, a feature request | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG|GER | crashanddie, who what where how? | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: "This title was licensed in Malaysia." | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: sorry? | 23:04 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG|GER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfGGOa-skA | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG|GER: and a mac address changer too | 23:04 |
| joppu | dd is going through this file byte by byte... | 23:05 |
| joppu | this is taking forever even at 850Mhz | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG|GER | crashanddie, any ideas on release dates? | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG|GER | dd = IO, IO is slow even on 1200MHz | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG|GER: couple days, maybe a week and a few days | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: wtf are you talking about? | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | oh, I think that was for timeless_mbp | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | XD | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG|GER | crashanddie, suggestion, +q for luke-jr :P | 23:06 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG|GER: the beta will be released before BH | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG|GER | BH? | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | blackhat conference | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | +q for MohammadAG|GER sounds better | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | I think both would sound nice... silence. | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | just +m then | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | short and simple | 23:07 |
| joppu | luke-jr: what about tokyo magnitude 8.0? D: | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG|GER | crashanddie, /part | 23:07 |
| * timeless_mbp looks up | 23:07 | |
| MohammadAG|GER | :p | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | joppu: we were investigating legit sources for it :p | 23:07 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG|GER: I can help you part if you're failing the IRC skills :) | 23:08 |
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| joppu | luke-jr: tokyo toshokan? | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG|GER | crashanddie, demonstrate it on yourself first | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | joppu: I said legit | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | AFAIK TM8 hasn't been BSD/GPL/etc licensed | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | joppu: anyhow, a few companies are selling a DVD with all of it for ~$20 | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | so I emailed asking if it was actually a licensed copy-- which it appears to be | 23:09 |
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| joppu | well, if it hasn't been licensed, you probably won't weel that bad for torrenting it | 23:10 |
| joppu | DVD with subs? | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | it's not about feeling | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | joppu: yeah, no idea on the sub quality though | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | but for my purposes, I don't actually need subs ;) | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | my purpose is two-fold: educating 3-5 year olds on Earthquakes and Japanese :) | 23:11 |
| joppu | you comprehend moonspeak? | 23:11 |
| joppu | oh | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | and maybe death and hallucinations? dunno... | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | that might be over their heads XD | 23:12 |
| joppu | :D | 23:12 |
| me1ne | lcuk: n900 asks me to allow connection over and over. I have read about this issue on the boards, will do research there | 23:15 |
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| me1ne | if i manage to find the page in that thread again, that is. | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG|GER | :( | 23:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: did you see that disney is going to teach English to chinese children | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, op please? | 23:21 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: whatfor? | 23:21 |
| timeless_mbp | their goal is to enable them to be better customers of classic disney products :) | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, nothing kick-related | 23:22 |
| crashanddie | then why? | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | topic :( | 23:22 |
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| crashanddie | what? | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG | take out the last part, germany's out | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | for crying out loud mate, this ain't #world-cup | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | did the octopus get it right, though? | 23:23 |
| pupnik | it did | 23:23 |
| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/" | 23:23 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o crashanddie | 23:23 | |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, it did | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | the octopus said germany was going to lose against the south americans? | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | it said spain will win | 23:24 |
| pupnik | the octopus has eaten hypnotoad | 23:24 |
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| MohammadAG | We'll meet again spain!! | 23:24 |
| * MohammadAG waits for 2014 | 23:24 | |
| mneptok | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8lmn1tk4c | 23:24 |
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| tybollt | HAHAHAH germany pwned | 23:26 |
| tybollt | -pure satisfaction- | 23:26 |
| * MohammadAG traces tybollt's IP | 23:27 | |
| * MohammadAG books a ticket | 23:27 | |
| me1ne | lcuk i have tried it, it keeps asking me to allow conn over and over | 23:27 |
| tybollt | hmm when postman arrives w/ package sent from "HAMAS" perhaps I should not receive it ;) | 23:28 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: :D | 23:28 |
| me1ne | i think somebody on the forums had the sma problem | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, who sends a package from "HAMAS" | 23:28 |
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| me1ne | tybollt ger played not like they did the last games | 23:29 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG: well ... :) | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, I'll send it as Nokia or something | 23:31 |
| tybollt | heh damn | 23:31 |
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| wazd | poor Germans :( | 23:33 |
| tybollt | no | 23:33 |
| wazd | tybollt: yep :) | 23:33 |
| wazd | tybollt: :D | 23:33 |
| tybollt | germans were getting awfully cocky | 23:33 |
| tybollt | bastards the lot of them | 23:33 |
| tybollt | and now when it came down to it... they were scared little kids | 23:34 |
| wazd | tybollt: well, after 2 matches 4:x - you bet you'll get cocky :D | 23:34 |
| me1ne | zthey knew ver well who they were.facing | 23:34 |
| me1ne | and ger is still a young team | 23:34 |
| me1ne | spain otoh played great football | 23:35 |
| me1ne | could very well have ended 4:0 | 23:35 |
| * MohammadAG agrees with crashanddie, off topic :P | 23:36 | |
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| geroge9 | hi | 23:47 |
| geroge9 | is there anyone that can help me? | 23:48 |
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| cehteh | my crystall ball is in repair, soory | 23:51 |
| lcuk | damn octopus stole it | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 23:53 |
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| george_ | hi!! | 23:55 |
| lcuk | hi george_ | 23:55 |
| george_ | are you here? XD | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | no | 23:56 |
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| george_ | is there anyone that can help me? | 23:57 |
| petteri | there maybe one | 23:58 |
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| MohammadAG | ~ask | 23:58 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 23:58 |
| george_ | you? | 23:58 |
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| george_ | i have a problem with the conversation, with sms. Accidentally i have deleted a file (img.ext2), but i don't know what is, and i need of one hand.. i reflashed the device, but the problem still there is... have you got any knowledge to resolve? | 23:58 |
| george_ | sorry for the bad english | 23:59 |
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| petteri | sorry i can't help you | 23:59 |
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