IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-07-04

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Maceri guess mobile hotspot actually works00:16
Macerkind of flaky though :)00:16
Macerbut good enough00:16
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* crashanddie laughs00:30
crashanddieMy ISP sends streams at full HD (1080p)00:30
crashanddiebut until very recently (firmware upgrade), the TV boxes only supporter 720p00:31
infobotcrashanddie meant: but until very recently (firmware upgrade), the TV boxes only supported 720p00:31
NadleyI have a trouble I install flashlight but I don't know how to start it, it doesn't appear in the applet00:32
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SpeedEvilyou open the shitter00:35
SpeedEvilthen you close the camera app00:35
SpeedEvilthen it appears00:35
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rangeSpeedEvil: Hmmm. But if you have to use the flashlight to even find the shitter? >:)00:36
hallynaha!  my problem with capslock always on with vnc is solved - the 'text input' setting had 'auto capitalization' on.  turning that off fixed it.00:37
lbtwooo .... OBS is xen-ized00:37
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lbtwhich was kinda essential for being able to let people use it00:37
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NadleySpeedEvil: Even if I open the shitter there is nothing00:38
* SpeedEvil is unsure he has flashlight installed actually.00:39
* SpeedEvil chekcs.00:39
crashanddieSpeedEvil: shitter?00:39
NadleySpeedEvil: I find I have to scroll (a lot of applet :s)00:39
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SpeedEvilNadley: I'm unable to scroll00:39
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SpeedEvilNadley: oh00:40
SpeedEvilNadley: I never knew you could do that.00:40
SpeedEvilNadley: What a clever way to utterly hide the fact that there are more options...00:40
SpeedEvilyeah - flashlight works00:41
Nadleyyes I was looking for it for a while thinking there was something wrong with the installation00:41
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NadleySpeedEvil: do you use Cellular Modem Control Buttons ? because I install it but I can't find how to use it00:43
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SpeedEvilyou click '2g' '3g' or 'dual'00:45
SpeedEviland it makes the modem connect over 2g, over 3g, or allows both00:45
kerioNadley: hold on, is that the switch between phone and tablet?00:46
SpeedEviloh - sorry - no - that's a different appletr00:46
kerioit's on the menu you get by pushing the power button00:46
NadleySpeedEvil: yes I have the applet it is the other one00:46
* lcuk likes his image select00:47
Nadleykerio: I know but I have nothing new on the menu00:47
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crashanddiegod I'm really starting to hate these javascript-riddled pages that feel like you're handling billions of requests in their stead00:51
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keriocrashanddie: noscript?00:52
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Nadleykerio: what is the name of the entry in the menu00:53
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kerio"Tablet" iirc00:53
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crashanddiekerio: can't be bothered to port noscript to safari00:53
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keriooh, not on the n0000:53
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smharI am seriously thinking about getting an N900 soon -could be tomorrow- , as I found a place where it sells it in installments with similar total as it is sold now locally here. I have an important question: how can I 1) backup the files to the computer and then restore it back, 2) how to sync the data -contacts, calender etc- with a local computer, not to online service?00:58
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Nadleykerio: i haven't this entry my menu didn't change with or without the app01:00
`0660smhar, ou would use Ovi Suite on Windows to do that01:01
keriosmhar: what's your OS?01:01
smhar`0660, kerio, oops, I forgot to mention, I am using debian squeeze01:02
DocScrutinizersmhar: 1) open URL "sftp://root@yourN900-IP:/" in your browser and copy / to local backup01:02
kerioDocScrutinizer: after installing ssh01:02
kerioDocScrutinizer: how can you restore it though?01:02
DocScrutinizerI wasn't going to explain each small detail, as he can't duplicate atm01:03
keriois there a real need to backup data if everything is synced to somewhere else?01:03
DocScrutinizersmhar: 2) that's a little bit complicated, depending on what you are using on your desktop PC01:03
SpeedEvilsmhar: there is 'backup' a nokia app on the phone that can backup to a SD card01:03
smharI am not a guru but I am not a total newbie01:04
keriosmhar: do you know how linux works?01:04
SpeedEvilThe SD card is the easiest way01:04
DocScrutinizersmhar: of course01:04
smharkerio, well enough for me, and learning more by the day01:04
keriothen you're good01:04
keriobuy it, it's amazing01:04
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: 'back up _to the computer_...' - that's for sure most easy via scp/sftp01:05
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kerioyeah but what good is a backup if you can't restore it anyway?01:05
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: well... I'm unsure how well that would work01:05
smharkerio, I love it already, my only concern is that it may have a short life :-)01:05
kerioyou can always buy another01:05
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer; data inconsistency issues and all01:06
SpeedEvilA snapshot /home would be nice01:06
SpeedEvilAt USB2, it'd only be 100s01:06
smharDocscrutinizer, I am currently using thunderbird bu I am willing to switch to -almost- anything to be able to sync01:06
SpeedEvilDoing it mounted raises data consistency issues though.01:07
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: highly unlikely, but ok you will need completely different methods then, which aren't really available ootb now01:07
keriojust backup your *data* as you would normally01:07
smharkerio, true, and this is what I've been doing with Nokia, for years01:07
kerioit's a computer01:08
kerioyou don't backup your whole OS01:08
smharproblem is, they are moving faster these days than before01:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: would you agree on a double backup and md5-compare the both gives extremely low probability of unnoticed inconsistencies?01:08
* SpeedEvil straps his n900 down otherwise it bounces off the walls.01:08
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: not quite.01:08
kerioSpeedEvil: aw, my n900 must be broken then01:09
kerioit just sits there01:09
keriono bouncing01:09
SpeedEvilkerio: Turn on the GPS.01:09
keriohuh? why?01:09
SpeedEvilMine bounces around 20km01:09
keriothat's... not good01:09
SpeedEvilWell - to be fair - that is cell positioning - which can be very broken01:09
keriooh, not gps then01:10
smharso what about the sync?01:10
keriowell, i live in a city and cell positioning is incredibly accurate01:10
keriosmhar: thunderbird on linux?01:10
SpeedEvilsmhar: I've never done sync, so I can't advise - don't use the n900 for email01:10
timetochangewhy does the screen get brighter for a bit and then dark again before it turns off?01:10
keriowhy not?01:10
smharkerio, or anything else if necessary01:10
timetochangeim thinking it might have to do with that brightness applet01:11
keriosmhar: what's your email provider?01:11
DocScrutinizersmhar: kerio got a point there. N900 is so much closer to a regular linux PC than you probably might think. Just consider how you'd do if it were a laptop and no "phone"01:11
smharSpeedEvil, it is for the contacts as well, I am adding many contacts daily, and I need the in my pc as well01:11
SpeedEvilsmhar: Well...01:11
kerioDocScrutinizer: isync doesn't work for IM data of the contacts :(01:11
SpeedEvilsmhar: I have recieved one call on my n900...01:12
DocScrutinizertimetochange: it gets brighter because you turned on the light or placed your finger somewhere off the ALS01:12
smharkerio, I am using my own email through a hosting company01:12
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keriosmhar: does it support IMAP?01:12
keriobecause if it does, there's no need to sync emails01:12
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kerioand that's one big point there01:12
DocScrutinizerkerio: uhuh. No idea what you're talking about01:12
kerioDocScrutinizer: ?01:12
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smharSpeedEvil, I want to use it as my mail mobile, hoping that it will develop smart phones skills as well as pc skills, whatever those are01:13
keriothat may be a bit hard01:14
keriosince it's not a smartphone01:14
smharkerio, yes and pop3 and almost everything :-001:14
DocScrutinizersmhar: the N900's contacs app can ex/import vcard01:14
keriosmhar: use IMAP and email is kept syncronized01:14
kerioexport/import vcards to sync contacts01:15
DocScrutinizerkerio: IMAP seems unreliable or broken on N90001:15
kerioor install Bluetooth DUN on the n900 and use syncml through bluetooth01:15
smharSpeedEvil, s/mail mobile / main mobile01:15
keriothat's kinda standard01:15
kerioDocScrutinizer: not a big email user01:15
* SpeedEvil wishes someone would fix sync.01:16
kerioand if everything craps out, i can just open with the browser01:16
SpeedEvilBut it's a huge project01:16
smharkerio, smart phone is all about software01:16
kerioSpeedEvil: what's broken about sync?01:16
keriosmhar: the n900 is not a smartphone01:16
kerioit's a computer01:16
SpeedEvilkerio: That is - fix sync by implementing one protocol among 'all' opensource things where it would make sense.01:17
NadleyI have tried to make a screencast on my device with the load applet but I can read it, it is a avi file01:17
crashanddiepiss off with that argument?01:17
DocScrutinizersmhar: you can use several other mail-agents on N900 (heard of claws for example). Alas integration to contacts database is gone then01:17
smharkerio, still it lacks -in the software side- many 'basic feature' of a modern phone, that will come by time01:17
kerioSpeedEvil: doesn't it sync somewhat nicely with that open cloud service?01:18
kerioi'm syncing it with google contacts through my computer as of now01:18
tremnite all, sweet dreams01:18
kerioi could enable mail for exchange01:18
keriobut meh01:18
Nadleykerio: how do you sync with google contacts I want to do the same01:19
DocScrutinizersmhar: don't buy N900 based on a bet on future development01:19
smharkerio, I do not use google contacts and I do not plan to,01:19
kerioNadley: isync on osx01:19
smhardocscrutinizer, why?01:19
DocScrutinizersmhar: check if you can find to get it in a shape so you can do the things you need right now01:19
Nadleykerio: ok I'm on linux01:20
keriothen you need to sync it through the n900 itself01:20
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keriosettings->mail for exchange01:20
keriogoogle for the settings01:20
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smhardocscrutinizer, I am ok with it as it is now, but I am always hoping for better :-)01:20
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DocScrutinizersure :-)01:21
smhardocscrutinizer, do you mean the development will stop01:21
kerion900 developent is kinda slowed down atm01:21
kerioat least, the official development01:21
DocScrutinizersmhar: you'll be amazed what this nice little thing actually can do01:21
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kerioi guess nokia is just waiting for the opensource developers to reverse-engineer *everything* by themselves01:21
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kerioso they don't actually have to, you know, *do* stuff01:22
DocScrutinizersmhar: no, but you'll never know when or if at all a particular function will be available01:22
smhardocscrutinizer, in addition to finally having a really linux phone.. ok computer01:22
Nadleykerio: I know about Mfe but I don't know if it will sync all data about my contacts01:22
smharbut this is very strange, N900 is a linux 'computer, and it can not sync with another linux computer,01:24
smharfunny is both are debian01:24
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DocScrutinizerwell debian means nothing at all01:25
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smharI know, but it is just funny, to me01:25
keriothunderbird on debian will happily sync with thunderbird on n900 if you tell him to01:25
DocScrutinizereven on debian you can have gnome on one laptop and KDE on your desktop box01:25
DocScrutinizerkerio: exactly01:25
Nadleykerio: thunderbird on n900?01:26
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DocScrutinizerdunno, has somebody ported it meanwhile?01:26
kerioNadley: it probably exists somewhere01:26
smharkerio, but the N900 contacts are not stored in TB for N90001:26
kerioif it doesn't, easy debian and install it there01:26
DocScrutinizerdepends where YOU store them, obviously ;-D01:27
DocScrutinizerbut no, maemo doesn't use TB to store phone contacts01:27
keriomaemo's contact system is great for IM01:27
smhardocscrutinizer, :-(01:28
DocScrutinizerI think I heard it's loosely based on evolution01:28
smharI do not think it was a difficult thing for Nokia, or maemo developers to make it a bit more open01:28
keriosmhar: a lot can be said about nokia's openness01:29
smhardocscrutinizer, If I use evolution in linux, can I syn?01:29
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smhardocscrutinizer, well, it basically says 'yes', it can sync with evolution01:33
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DocScrutinizeryeah, that's what I seem to recall as well01:34
kerioyou basically run a sync server on your home computer and sync it via wifi01:34
smharkerio, yes, I am actually reading it right now01:35
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smharDocscrutinizer, SpeedEvil, kerio, living with linux for several years now and mostly with debian testing, taught me not to expect an 'easy' solution, like in windows clicking system, and I am happy with this as long as I can get my job done :-)01:42
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timetochangewholy fuck I'm scared02:12
timetochangephone just keeps restarting02:12
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timetochangeI tried to power cycle it when the application phone would'nt start02:12
timetochangeit just quit right away02:12
infoboti guess flashing is
timetochangeso it just stops working randomly and the only way to fix it is delete everything and start anew?02:14
timetochangethe only thing that was installed recently was an update for UUSD applet, and that was hours ago02:14
MohammadAGwell depends on what you did02:15
MohammadAGif you have -devel enabled, you have only yourself to blame02:16
timetochangei really need to make some calls02:16
timetochangei have testing enabled02:16
timetochangenot devel02:16
MohammadAGthat too02:16
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timetochangethere is nothing to try besides reflashing if it doesnt boot?!02:18
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MohammadAGwell, I'm not sure what caused it to break02:20
timetochangeimagine if you had to reinstall linux everytime an app stopped working02:20
timetochangeme neither02:20
timetochangeI was just walking around and tried to use my phone02:20
MohammadAGyou could try a different OS, but you need to have that before it actually breaks :)02:20
timetochangethe app just quit right away02:20
smharhas anyone encountered the Nokia's WSD with N900 yet02:20
timetochangeso i tried to turn it off and on again02:20
timetochangeand it wont boot, just keeps restarting02:20
smharI have very bad memories with those02:20
SpeedEvilwsd?02:21 is down?02:22
timetochangeseems so02:22
smharSpeedEvil, White Screen of Death02:22
AppiahLiraNuna: yupp02:22
timetochangewhat was there a fucking emp todaya02:22
LiraNunaHOW CAN I LIVE WITHOUT ?!!??!?!?!02:22
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timetochangei just got to come up02:22
SpeedEvilLiraNuna: better?02:23
timetochangeI just realize all of my ability to contact people relies on a dead every expensive unsupported developer phone02:23
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MohammadAGtimetochange, well, reflashing isn't that bad02:24
timetochangeI don't wana lose my shit02:24
MohammadAGthat's why I have 4 OSs to back it up on the N90002:24
MohammadAGlike what?02:24
smharI had a WSD on every Nokia symbian phone I had, several times with some02:24
MohammadAGcontacts are stored in /home/user02:24
LiraNunatimetochange, try to just flash the kernel02:24
timetochangewhat about r&d mode02:25
MohammadAGyou could try that too02:25
timetochangeI don't really know what would be wrong02:25
timetochangeI didn't do anything to it02:25
* Nadley says mfe is not working as I want :s02:25
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smharok, is there an 'better' alternative to N900's default address book/contacts yet?02:31
timetochangeif i plug it into usb is still just keeps restarting02:32
timetochangeand there isn't enough time to  mount it02:32
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timetochangeLiraNuna, how do I just flash the kernel, and if I do that will I lose anything else?02:34
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LiraNunatimetochange, see the maemo wiki, and you will not lose anything02:34
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timetochangejust the regular directions?02:35
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timetochangeso all I do is flasher -r [kernel_image]?02:38
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smharok, is there any alternative to N900's default address book/contacts yet?02:41
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timetochangeGPE address book02:41
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smharsince the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them.          can someone please correct me or confirm this please?02:45
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timetochangeis "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin" the "FIASCO" image?02:48
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ohwhymeanyone know why im getting a caluclating upgrade... failed02:49
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timetochangeif i do only the kernel do I still have to do the eMMC image afterward?02:51
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GAN900timetochange, you never have to do eMMC02:51
GAN900Ideally you never shoud02:51
GAN900Since it's an emergency procedure.02:52
timetochangeokay, and I was just told that doing this kernel flash will not lose me any data02:52
timetochangeso trying........02:52
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timetochangethis is scary02:52
MohammadAG/home/user shouldn't be affected by a fiasco reflash02:52
timetochangeill just loose all the apps and their settings?02:53
salman_since the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them.          can someone please correct me or confirm this please?02:53
MohammadAGtimetochange, assuming their settings are in /home/user/., no02:53
MohammadAGyou won't lose their settings02:53
timetochangewith the kernel only option, I lose nothing right?02:54
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MohammadAGonly the kernel :)02:54
timetochangewow that was fast02:55
timetochangeomfg hope it starts02:55
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timetochangeAHF CUK02:55
timetochangerebooted again02:55
timetochangeinfinite reboot cycle again02:55
timetochangeI really need to make a call02:56
MohammadAGtry flashing a framebuffer enabled kernel02:56
MohammadAGto see what's causing the problem02:56
timetochangesudo flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R02:57
timetochange i did this ^^02:57
ohwhymeCalculating upgrade... Failed02:57
ohwhymeThe following packages have unmet dependencies:02:57
ohwhyme  python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed02:57
ohwhymeE: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.02:57
ohwhymeanyone know whats wrong? I cant seem to do an apt-get dist-upgrade02:57
MohammadAGtimetochange, sec, I'll unpack it for you02:57
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MohammadAGnevermind :/03:00
MohammadAGit uses a different extraversion03:00
MohammadAGit won't find modules03:00
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timetochangewhat should I do?03:01
salman_or maybe I should ask this first, does maemo have a standard/open source/ documented storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc?03:02
MohammadAGtimetochange, you could flash the whole device, contacts should stay there, but you'll lose apps03:02
timetochangeis there a way to get this framebuffer thing working - it will show me what's wrong right?03:03
MohammadAGI'll compile a kernel for you03:03
timetochangethanks a lot03:03
MohammadAGxnt14, ty for the scratchbox :p03:03
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jacekowskii've just noticed that there is java for maemo03:08
b-manthere's also netbeans xD03:08
MohammadAGshameless advertising03:10
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salman_promising application:
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b-manMohammadAG lol03:12
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jacekowskii'm not sure if anybody remebers when i was talking some time ago about my idea of OTA sync with phone03:16
jacekowskiincluding files03:16
jacekowskibtw. did i mention that i'm amazed with battery life when i switched my phone to 2g only mode03:17
jacekowskiit's like 2x longer03:17
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timetochangeHows it going MohammadAG?03:18
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MohammadAGtimetochange, still compiling03:19
MohammadAGtimetochange, done, copying over03:20
ShadowJKjacekowski, 3g is so bad for always-on :)03:20
* MohammadAG has 3 batteries ;p03:20
* ShadowJK has original nokia and 2400mAh mugen :D03:21
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MohammadAG1320 x 3 = 3960 <-- me, 3720 ---> you03:22
MohammadAGI guess I lost mAhs when swapping batteries and rebooting03:22
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ShadowJKI still haven't started writing my script, and I don't know if SpeedEvil has tried it either, so I don't swap them :P03:22
MohammadAGI need hibernate-like functionality :/03:23
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ShadowJKI'd settle for ability to change battery while on usb power :)03:23
MohammadAGwouldn't mind that too03:23
jacekowskii doubt that charger chip can take that03:25
MohammadAG timetochange03:26
MohammadAGthat, in theory, should work03:26
timetochangeokay, use it the exact same way?03:26
MohammadAG(i.e it should work with the existing modules)03:26
MohammadAGbut it won't automagically fix your device :)03:26
psycho_oreosits probably deliberately set like that :) like all the same old nokia phones, never allow you to run off ac power without a battery.. unless you have an ancient/hacked nokia phone03:26
MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k zImage-fb-omap1.bin -f -R03:26
timetochangeinstead of -F?03:26
timetochangecause it is 1.7megs instead 170some03:27
salman_does maemo have a standard/open source/ documented storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc?03:27
jacekowskipsycho_oreos: power consumption of phone is higher than charger can take03:27
ShadowJKjacekowski, dunno, DocScrutinizer is the EE here and I asked him to look at the pretty graphs in the charger datasheet, and he said something like "can't see why not" to the question if charger could supply system power03:27
MohammadAGtimetochange, it's only a kernel image03:27
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timetochangeI used -F before03:27
jacekowskiShadowJK: it's using battery to keep voltage stable03:27
ShadowJKWe can stabilize power consumption a bit by turning off wifi and cellmo and keeping screen on (steady constant load)03:28
ShadowJKYeah that's also my concern03:28
psycho_oreosjacekowski, bleh03:28
ShadowJKBut the situation is much better than with N8x003:28
ShadowJKThere's an actual regulator inside the charging circuitry this time03:28
MohammadAGtimetochange, -F for fiascos, -k for kernel images03:28
jacekowskiany change in load and charger can start doing strange things03:28
jacekowskiand other thing is03:29
DocScrutinizerhallyn: actually I did a first quick & dirty test yesterday. Seems device continues at least 1s after removing battery, until BME (?) notices the change and hard shuts down the system03:29
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i think it's charger chip03:29
timetochangeokay i see text now03:29
timetochangebut its dark as shit and goes fast03:29
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i mean - it's designed to deliver constant current03:29
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it can't so starts to raise to voltage untill charge termination voltage03:30
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: why should charger chip shut down when cell is removed. It wouldn't even know how to detect03:30
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ShadowJKWe can program the charger to do this: Charge at 1250mA, reduce charging current to keep voltage below 4.2V. So, as long as the consumption is below 1250mA, the charger chip will be trying to maintain 4.2V as good as it can..03:30
ShadowJKjacekowski, you're thinking nimh03:30
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: nope, it's designed to provide a cureent-limited voltage-limited power03:30
timetochangewhat do I do MohammadAG, I can't see what it says right before it reboots...03:30
ShadowJKnimh is charged with constant current until negative or zero deltaV03:31
jacekowskiwell, we can use i2cset to tell charger whatever we want03:31
ShadowJKand that'd basically overvolt on battery removal :)03:31
jacekowskiand stop bme03:31
DocScrutinizerI'll do that in a minute03:32
DocScrutinizerstay tuned03:32
MohammadAGtimetochange, get a camcorder :)03:32
jacekowskibut i don't believe that charger chip can keep voltage stable to keep phone running03:32
MohammadAGtimetochange, well, there's no way to slow it down so :)03:32
ShadowJKYeah my plan would be to disable termination in charger, set current to max, step up regulation voltage until the flow into the empty battery is as close to 0 as possible, and then try swap03:32
timetochangeI don't have one.....spent all my cash on n90003:33
MohammadAGtimetochange, that's what I would do anyways03:33
MohammadAGoh :/03:33
ShadowJK(shutdown wifi, bluetooth, cellmo before the attempt)03:33
timetochangeit seems to be happening a bit after the text stops03:33
timetochangelike when the dots are going back and forth03:33
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: it can deliver 1050mA. Thant's enough in the most cases03:33
timetochangeyeah, so xorg starts03:34
DocScrutinizerand for sure it's stable enough03:34
timetochangedots going back and forth......03:34
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, I thought it could do 1250?03:34
DocScrutinizererr, not sure03:34
timetochangewait, it doedsn't do it at a consistent time03:34
timetochangeit is doing it sooner and sooner now03:35
timetochangenow it got through to xorg again03:35
timetochangeMohammadAG, any ideas?03:35
DocScrutinizertimetochange: what's your problem?03:36
timetochangesometimes it restarts right after it gets to camera which is after a line called USER03:36
timetochangeDocScrutinizer my phone doesn't work at all out of nowhere03:36
timetochangephone app would unexpected quit so i rebooted03:36
timetochangeand it hasnt booted since03:36
* DocScrutinizer sighs03:36
timetochangejust reboots itself03:36
timetochangei really need to make a call too03:37
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DocScrutinizertimetochange: you tried to reflash it?03:37
timetochangewell, just the  kernel part03:37
timetochangeI'd rather not lose everything03:37
DocScrutinizertimetochange: and please STOP experimenting NOW03:37
DocScrutinizerok, you flashed jernel with empty or weak battery03:38
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i'm not worried about current as such, but is it able to react fast enough with changes of load03:38
DocScrutinizernow you borked system, and it probably won't charge anymore03:38
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and because everything in there is switchmode load will change quite fast03:38
timetochangeI didn't experiment with anything03:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I'd hope it is03:38
timetochangeI fucked up my battery?03:39
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* MohammadAG doubts that03:39
timetochangewhat are you saying?03:39
timetochangeI really would love some help03:39
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timetochangemore* MohammadAG has been helping me a lot already03:39
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DocScrutinizertimetochange: you just mentioned you repeatedly tried to boot it, which runs battery even more flat03:39
jacekowskiwell, emergency charge should kick in03:40
timetochangeyeah, I have no idea how much battery i have and when i plug it in it just continually reboots03:40
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: for some reason it doesn't03:40
jacekowskiso it's not flat enough for emergency charge03:40
timetochangeso if I reflash the whole thing, what all will i lose?03:41
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: seems emergency charge is just enough to make a *working* system boot. But it's not enough for NOLO to finish a good flash03:41
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DocScrutinizertimetochange: basically few03:41
timetochangefew what?03:41
timetochangeall the customizations I've done?03:41
ShadowJKI think what happens is that emergency charge is enough to boot nolo, and nolo then kills the charge and boots the system, and fail03:41
MohammadAGthat and apps03:41
DocScrutinizersome apps you need to reinstall, some desktop settings03:41
jacekowskihmm, it looks like there is a quite huge cap on vbus03:42
ShadowJKdon't flash emmc03:42
timetochangewell I really need to use the phone03:42
jacekowskiand if schematics is accurate in that matter03:42
timetochangemaybe R&D mode?03:42
* MohammadAG needs to dump his rootfs03:42
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure03:42
timetochangecan i see exactly where it reboots with that?03:42
jacekowskiit might be enough to run wireless of it03:42
MohammadAGtimetochange, you could try to disable the watchdog, if an apps is killing X or something03:43
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: we'll learn in a short while03:43
timetochangethat would make it repeatedly reboot?03:43
ShadowJKjacekowski, you want to run wifi without battery?03:43
jacekowskiShadowJK: well, that cap is big enough to to possibly power 3g03:43
DocScrutinizerthe problem is you are running emergency mode here in channel, so I can't finish my test :-P03:43
MohammadAGtimetochange, flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset03:44
ShadowJKjacekowski, well I wouldn't risk it03:44
ShadowJKjacekowski, my goal would just be to change the battery quickly03:44
jacekowskii'm saying possibly because i'm not sure how much voltage drop can phone take03:44
DocScrutinizertimetochange: how far does boot proceed, how long does it take til reboot?03:44
jacekowskibut if it will get charged to 4.103:45
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: please don't hurry03:45
timetochangewell it is confusing because sometimes it only gets to right after "USER" I see a few seconds of camera or something03:45
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, i gave him a framebuffer enabled kernel, it should show where it reboots03:45
timetochangebut it usually gets past xorg03:45
timetochangewhere the dots go back and forth03:45
timetochangeyep, props to MohammadAG03:45
DocScrutinizerok, dudes, I see you'll feature it out03:45
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: going back to bme thing03:46
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i was thinking about reimplementing charging in kernel itself03:46
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timetochangek just issued your command03:46
timetochangesays it is in R&D mode03:46
MohammadAGtry to boot it up03:46
Macerr&d mode? :)03:46
ShadowJKjacekowski, so many things you need to touch :/03:47
Macertrying to steal trade secrets?03:47
jacekowskiMacer: research&development03:47
timetochangeoh, unplug it?03:47
MohammadAGor flasher-3.5 -R03:47
Maceri know jacekowski03:47
jacekowskiShadowJK: yeah, but it should be able to charge in acting dead state03:47
Macerjust never knew it had one :)03:47
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timetochangethe fookin key lights are blinking all weird03:47
jacekowskiShadowJK: or in cases like this one where you end up in endless loop03:48
MohammadAGtimetochange, that's part of R&D mode03:48
MohammadAGN900: The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity.03:48
jacekowskiideally if kernel would provide just emergency charging03:48
timetochangei dont see anything03:48
timetochangeit got to the blinking dots for a sec03:48
timetochangeand i think it shut off03:48
jacekowskiso kernel starts charging @100mA03:48
MohammadAGtimetochange, check the lights, if they're off it's off03:48
jacekowskiand then BME takes over03:48
jacekowskiand in case of BME failure OS shouldn't reboot03:49
MohammadAGwell after USER03:49
MohammadAGall I see is dsme03:49
timetochangesecond try it booted to desktop03:49
timetochangeokay, now need to figure out what it was before turning off again03:49
timetochangewow about 50 reboots only drained the battery a bit03:49
MohammadAGbtw, the first reboot is only because of fbcon03:49
MohammadAGit's quite unstable for some reason03:49
timetochangeI owe you big time MohammadAG03:49
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ShadowJKjacekowski, without anything touching the charger, it charges at 100mA03:50
MohammadAGtimetochange, heh, np :P03:50
timetochangewhat do you recommend now03:50
jacekowskiShadowJK: and nolo kills it03:50
timetochangeso next time i reboot i dont have  this again03:50
jacekowskiShadowJK: so if you have that reboot problem you can't charge03:51
ShadowJKmm :/03:51
MohammadAGnext time you reboot it will boot up, just find out why dsme is trying to reboot it03:51
timetochangeyou disabled the watchdog?03:51
jacekowskitbh on device like that03:51
timetochangemaybe ill run health check03:51
Macerno-charging - Disables charging via USB. BME will still running in background.03:51
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: aha. Any detailed analysis why that is ?03:51
timetochangehaha the keyboard blinking is actually pretty l33g03:51
Macerenglish fail03:51
MohammadAGnot really recommended, but it's the software watchdog03:51
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MohammadAGMacer, lol someone edited that, I had it written correctly iirc03:51
timetochangeoh, still get "internal error, phone application closed"03:52
timetochangecant use phone yet03:52
ShadowJKsoftware watchdog - it reboots device if "critical" programs fail?03:52
MohammadAGMacer, i guess it's missing a be :p03:52
MohammadAGShadowJK, yes03:52
jacekowskiShadowJK: that's wrong03:52
MohammadAGhildon-desktop is "critical"03:52
jacekowskiShadowJK: it should be done differently03:52
Macerand possibly an "in the"03:52
MohammadAGMacer, feel free to edit it03:52
MohammadAGI just cba right now :P03:53
ShadowJKjacekowski, what is wrong?03:53
jacekowskikernel should be able to provide emergency set of features on device like that03:53
DocScrutinizeryeah exactly03:53
jacekowskiso you can still make a phone call03:53
Maceri can edit it?03:53
MohammadAGoh and by USB it should say microUSB03:53
jacekowskiif everything else fails03:53
MohammadAGMacer, doh :p03:53
DocScrutinizercan't follow your chaos03:53
* ptl dizzy03:53
Maceri dont think i actually have a acct :)03:53
jacekowskiit's bad design in terms of stuff that would have to go into kernel03:53
MohammadAGMacer, make one03:53
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: then go ahead write a kernel with X03:53
ShadowJKOh actually03:53
MohammadAGMacer, ugh, lazy, I'll edit it myself03:53
MacerMohammadAG: maybe when i get home. i have a killer headache now03:53
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ShadowJKNow I remember03:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, there is KMS already03:54
MohammadAGflasher-3.0? LOL03:54
psycho_oreoscan you enable r&d mode without reflashing the fiasco? or is it a necessity to flash with it?03:54
ShadowJKthe default regulation voltage is 3.7V, but the flashing process wants nearly full battery... so it might not be nolo fucking it up, but the default charge params fucking it up03:54
ShadowJKno you don't need to flash with it03:54
psycho_oreosShadowJK, was that directed to me? ta03:55
MohammadAGdoes anyone recall what both lights on the side refer to?03:55
MohammadAGMacer, edited03:55
MohammadAGone's for kernel messages, can't recall what the other one is03:55
* DocScrutinizer back to TV, it's too demanding to follow this discussion(s)03:55
jacekowskiMohammadAG: on keyboard?03:55
MohammadAGjacekowski, yes03:55
ShadowJK(charger can unattended, unprogrammed, bring voltage up to 3.7, but nolo refuses to flash below some unknown voltage higher than 3.7)03:55
jacekowskiMohammadAG: i had that after i put it in R&D mode03:56
jacekowskijust r&d without any flags03:56
MohammadAGjacekowski, yes, I know, I'm just wondering what each of the lights refer to03:56
MohammadAGagain, one is for kernel messages03:56
ShadowJKthe initfs in N8x0 was more robust :)03:56
MohammadAGcan't remember what the other is for03:56
ShadowJKBut people whined and it got removed :(03:56
MohammadAG"No initfs \o/" <- meh03:56
MohammadAG(says that in nolo btw)03:57
jacekowskireboot shouldn't be only method to recover after failure03:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: jacekowski isn't in the mood to listen/read today. As it seems you aren't03:57
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, err?03:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: ???03:57
jacekowskii'm listening to one of many touhou versions03:58
timetochange okay, did a dmesg03:58
timetochangeseems like phone is the only app that wont start - crashes right away03:59
timetochangeis there a way to try to start phone from the command line to see why it wont start?03:59
jacekowskistart commandline03:59
jacekowskiand start phone app03:59
timetochange"start phone app"03:59
timetochangenot very linuxy03:59
jacekowskii said what you have to do04:00
jacekowskinot how to do it04:00
timetochangethat's what i was asking04:00
jacekowskistart phone app isn't going to work04:00
timetochangehow do you start from cmdline04:00
ShadowJKI'd investigate dsme's dir in /var04:00
ShadowJKI don't remember where it is :s04:00
ShadowJKOh, /var/lib/dsme/04:00
ShadowJKcat the files in there04:00
MohammadAG<jacekowski> start phone app isn't going to work04:00
MohammadAGwhat he said04:00
MohammadAGrtcom-call-ui is the binary afaik04:01
jacekowskimy idea for error handling would be that it tries to restart failed "service"04:01
jacekowskithen it fails back to emergency mode04:01
MohammadAGif it fails, it should stfu04:01
jacekowskifalls back*04:01
jacekowskiand notifies user04:02
jacekowskinot just reboots in middle of call04:02
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ShadowJKI was positively surprised that the device doesn't reset when you reach such low battery level (after having killed bme) that cellmo no longer works :)04:02
jacekowskior in middle of boot04:02
timetochangefor stats04:02
MohammadAGShadowJK, yeah, cellmo shuts down first, then the rest of the device follows04:02
timetochange"read error: is a directory"04:02
MohammadAGwhen the cellmo shuts down I just halt the device quickly04:02
timetochangeer wait04:03
timetochangenewb moment04:03
DocScrutinizer51timetochange: remove SIM04:03
DocScrutinizer51then reboot04:03
timetochangeI've lifeguard resets and lifeguardreboots .bak for both04:03
jacekowskithat's why ideally kernel should keep all phone functionality separate from everything else04:03
timetochangeDocScrutinizer did you miss it i got it booted!04:03
ShadowJKtimetochange, lifeguardreboots04:03
jacekowskiand if phone functionality fails then it can reboot04:04
jacekowskieverything else is not critical and it should try to recover04:04
ShadowJKIRC is critical04:05
DocScrutinizer51timetochange: have you noticed I usually think about what  suggest04:05
ShadowJKphone is less critical :)04:05
jacekowskiirc is safe on screen on my server04:05
timetochangeokay it lists browser as 1, lidon-desktop as 1, hildon home as 8, a few othe rminor ones, and camera-ui as 44, systemui at 243, and mafw-lastfm 360 (uninstalled that a long time ago)04:05
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t0rrentday10x Faster than p2p, secure, anon, movies tv music apps all free, now open for registration.04:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, spambot ^04:06
timetochangehow could you tell04:06
ShadowJKtimetochange, is that lifeguardreboots or lifeaguardresets04:06
jacekowskii don't think so04:06
MohammadAGI'm just pinging him04:06
jacekowskihe's just an idiot04:06
ShadowJKtimeless, the reboots is more interesting04:06
timetochangeresets shows systemui: 2304:07
MohammadAGwrong tab?04:07
timetochangethere is just restarts and resets04:07
ShadowJKRight, so it's systemui that crashes04:07
timetochangehmm, and phone must depend on that?...04:08
ShadowJKI'm not sure hwat systemui does, it's maybe the thing that appears when you press powerbutton04:08
MohammadAGit shouldn't reboot the whole damn device04:08
jacekowskiShadowJK: besides, irc depends on phone04:08
MohammadAGShadowJK, yes04:08
jacekowskii really like qubes design04:08
MohammadAGthat's not critical!04:08
jacekowskisomething like that but in smaller scale04:08
MohammadAGkillall systemui doesn't reboot the menu afaik04:08
infobotMohammadAG meant: killall systemui doesn't reboot the device afaik04:09
jacekowskiso every part is separate in terms of security as well04:09
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ShadowJKMaybe it does actually need several restarts before it becomes a reboot :)04:09
timetochangertcom-call-ui  just returns and does nothing btw04:09
jacekowskikillall -9 systemui04:10
jacekowskiand it restarted04:10
ShadowJKtry: while true; do killall -11 systemui ; sleep 1 ; done04:10
jacekowskiand it looks like it was dsme job04:11
ShadowJK(that wasn to jacekowski)04:11
timetochangeI'm running healthcheck a while04:11
ShadowJKno offence to its author, but healthcheck is mostly a toy in this circumstance :D04:11
timetochangeI can see that04:11
jacekowskiqemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped04:11
jacekowskioh ffs04:11
timetochangeso was that the real name of the phone app MohammadAG?04:13
Macerlego harry potter04:14
MohammadAGtimetochange, yes, rtcom-call-ui is the phone app's name04:15
MohammadAGsystemui is the menu that pops down04:15
MohammadAGassuming it shouldn't reboot, I'd purge and reinstall systemui04:15
timetochangeokay, well if i try that in the terminal04:15
timetochangeit just returns04:15
timetochangedoesnt try to boot phone app04:15
MohammadAGyeah I noticed that here too04:15
timetochangehow do I reinstall system UI?04:15
MohammadAGsame with rtcom-messaging-ui04:16
MohammadAGapt-get --reinstall install systemui04:16
Macertimetochange: why dont you just reflash and start from scratch?04:16
Macerseems easier04:16
timetochangeshould i back anything up first?04:16
MohammadAGfor systemui? no, it's just one menu04:16
ShadowJKFor reflash: yes04:16
timetochangewell I trust that MohammadAG has correctly determined the problem to be with systemui, Macer04:16
Macertimetochange: well. just saying04:17
Macerthere may be other underlying issues04:17
ShadowJKThings that modify systemui? :)04:17
Macerjust throwing that out there :)04:17
ShadowJKBut yeah, reflash is easiest04:17
timetochangewell it must have been modified by something else in the first place..04:17
ShadowJKunless you want to save data, in which case you'd backup and then flash :D04:18
timetochangecouldnt find package systemui?04:18
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Maceri mean. all this time you have been fiddling around.. you'd have been done reflashing and reinstalling a long time ago04:18
MohammadAGtimetochange, ShadowJK did, not me :)04:18
timetochangeno way, I've a lot of shit on here .....i should probably back up right now04:18
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Macer:) but it is good to learn04:18
timetochangeI just want to make a phone clal man04:19
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Macerthen go to settings and use the backup app04:19
MohammadAGis the package name for /usr/bin/systemui04:20
MohammadAGso apt-get --reinstall install osso-sytemui04:20
* Macer marks time04:20
DocScrutinizererr SIM04:21
timetochangewell it worked04:21
timetochangebut phone stil instantly crashes04:21
* DocScrutinizer shakes head, sighs, and wanders off04:21
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Maceri need to get home and set up this debian installer thumb drive and get my dam artigo up and running with its new hd04:22
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Maceri miss my little beast of a dedicated shell/dns04:23
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, dude he wants to make a phonecall, removing the sim isn't going to help that04:24
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: dude, don't you think I could know what I'm talking about04:24
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timetochangeoh, you're still recommending sim removal?04:25
Macerthere is always option b and c... ask a neighbor to use their phone or find a pay phone04:25
timetochangeI tried that several times when it didnt boot04:25
ShadowJKWell since removing SIM is a very unintuitive method of making a phone call, you should probably elaborate as to why this would help :)04:25
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MacerShadowJK: LOL04:25
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I diagnosed a case of instant phoneui crash to a root cause of a garbled contact in SIM storage04:25
timetochangewell maybe if i could start the phone from command line i could see what the problem is04:26
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DocScrutinizerand now just go on with bashing my recommendations, while I get my popcorn04:26
Macertimetochange: im telling you. just use the backup app and back up your stuff and reflash it and restore it.. takes 10 mins .. longer than ive been back watching you try to find out how to fix what sounds like a ruined phone04:26
timetochangeMohammadAG, do you think after reinstalling systemui i should reboot for changes to take  effect?04:26
timetochangeokay Macer, now that I've it booted and I've backed up04:27
timetochangeI won't lose anything, right?04:27
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, so the conclusion would be that he can't make a call with that Sim in N900?04:27
Macerthat is like asking a surgeon if you are going to die04:27
timetochangei can actually open the contacts program and edit contacts04:27
Macerfear is the mind killer04:27
Macerpee into the wind04:27
timetochangeI'm not longer fearful now that I've backed up04:28
timetochangebut I'm curious what that backup doesn't cover04:28
MohammadAGtimetochange, you should reboot to see if it worked04:28
MohammadAGalso, disable R&D mode to see that it _ACTUALLY_ worked04:28
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MohammadAGthat would fix boot up issues, but not phone startup ones04:28
MohammadAGI suggest you reflash04:29
ShadowJKreflash wouldn't fix sim storage, right04:29
timetochangei might as well try to reboot first though eh04:29
timetochange(derp of course the menu doesnt come down when i push power button)04:30
LiraNunahow do I target an existing Qt project to build for N900?04:31
jacekowskibesides, that's a good question why there is script for upstart that handles reboot when bme fails04:31
jacekowskibut dsme itself can take care of that itself04:31
timetochangeyeah menu doesnt come down and phone still closes04:32
jacekowskijust flash it04:32
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timetochangewhat doesn't the backup cover?04:32
timetochangei mean, obvious stuff04:33
jacekowskii think it's only covering contacts, calender and stuff04:33
timetochangeyeah, it is that 'stuff' part that I'm unclear about04:33
ShadowJKjacekowski, i think it's in the bme upstart script itself04:33
jacekowskiShadowJK: i know04:33
jacekowskiShadowJK: but why04:33
jacekowskiShadowJK: if there is dsme that has capabilities to do it04:34
jacekowskiShadowJK: and it's doing it for other processes04:34
ShadowJKon N8x0 dsme did it04:34
ShadowJKbut I'm guessing someone moved it to upstart at some point :)04:35
jacekowskion n900 there is upstart script that tells dsme to reboot device04:35
ShadowJKI vaguely recall reading the N900 bme upstart script04:36
ShadowJKBut what is responsible for doing stuff when bme dies? upstart?04:36
jacekowskiupstart detecs that bme died04:36
jacekowskiand tells dsme to reboot04:36
ShadowJKOk, now I follow :)04:37
jacekowskibme doesn't register watchdog with dsme04:37
jacekowskiand as you said previous version was doing that04:37
ShadowJKSo someone wanted to run bme without dsme, or someone familiar with upstart started attempt to deprecate dsme and got no further than bme..04:37
jacekowskiwell, bme is constantly talking to dsme anyways04:38
LiraNunaI'm trying to use OpenGLES/2 with Qt4 on N90004:38
LiraNunaand qmake will not correctly add the includes04:38
jacekowskiLiraNuna: maemo-developers04:39
LiraNunaoh, there's an actual channel for development?04:39
ptlYou guys are really taken by this whole reverse-engineering of bme04:39
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jacekowski#maemo-dev or #maemo-developers04:39
LiraNunajacekowski, it's empty.04:39
LiraNunaboth are empty04:39
jacekowskiLiraNuna: there is one04:40
jacekowskiLiraNuna: but i don't remember the name04:40
LiraNunaokay, where04:40
jacekowskion this network04:40
ShadowJK-devel perhaps04:40
ptlit's not empty04:40
ptlI'm there04:40
ptlcrowded, no elbow room04:40
LiraNunaah, devel04:40
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timetochange--exclude-from=[path] isnt working in rsync04:54
pigeon--exclude-from reads exclude pattern from a given "file", not really a "path"... is that the problem?04:55
timetochangeoh i think04:56
timetochangewonder how to do path04:56
pigeonlike, do you just want --exclude= ?04:56
timetochangea folder04:56
pigeon--exclude=MyDocs/ then?04:56
timetochangedidnt work04:56
timetochangeunless i need the \04:56
timetochangealready started the rsync, ill just wait for it and then cancel and hope MyDocs was the last thing to copy04:57
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DocScrutinizer51friggin freenode >:-(05:07
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5105:07
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: my N900 is running since 40min without battery now05:08
ShadowJK/CE bit enabled?05:08
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DocScrutinizer51I 'll elaborate on it later. Just so much: level down screen brightness, of course disable GSM. 'stop BME' remove battery *fast* (60s)05:10
pigeonis it ok to swap the n900 batteries while it's being charged on usb?05:11
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timetochangeyou guys are hardware05:14
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: why fast if it's running for 40 minutes?05:19
ohwhymeis there a maemo flasher for amd64?05:20
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jacekowskiis there any official dsme documentation05:26
jacekowskibecause i found something on the interwebs05:26
jacekowskii mean header files05:26
jacekowskibut these seems to be incomplete05:26
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jacekowskibecause i just found message 0x311 that's sent from bme to dsme05:27
timetochangeseriously why doesn't exclude-from= work in rsync?05:27
jacekowskibut there is no reference to it in my files05:27
jacekowskitimetochange: it does work if you know how to do it05:27
jacekowskii just found full dsme source code05:31
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ShadowJKpigeon, not normally05:36
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jacekowskidoes anybody here have n8x0?05:42
jacekowskiand it's still here05:42
ShadowJKand it is still there?05:43
jacekowskidsmetool --version05:44
ShadowJKWhat is still there, where?05:44
jacekowskii just need to know version of dsmetool in n8x005:45
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: are you here?05:46
ShadowJKWhy didn't you say that in the first place05:46
jacekowskii found full source code for dsme 0.60.105:46
jacekowski -- Semi Malinen <semi.malinen at>  Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:11:00 +000005:46
jacekowskifrom nokia05:47
jacekowskiwith everything marked as gpl/lgpl05:47
jacekowskiso technicaly we can use it05:47
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ShadowJKum, yeah05:47
ShadowJKdmse was opensourced years ago, and all the interesting things moved into mce?05:48
jacekowskiit was?05:48
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: yes? dsme, hmm fine. Nothing new05:48
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DocScrutinizer51anyway I donno how long I'll be here. My internets gone apeshit. So wazzup?05:49
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jacekowskionly thing that google is coming up with is
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: you're running your device without battery now?05:51
DocScrutinizer51hahah it switched off after (presumably) 32minute05:52
jacekowski04:08 < DocScrutinizer51> ShadowJK: my N900 is running since 40min without battery now05:52
DocScrutinizer51seems I should spend a oneliner to cure those minor annoyances ;-P05:53
DocScrutinizer51hmm, that's been a guess05:53
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DocScrutinizer51anyway I'd say it is quite sufficient to swap cells nevertheless05:54
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* ShadowJK wonders why it doesn't work under regular bme05:56
jacekowskifuel gauge05:56
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: btw of course bat must be charging when you stop bme :-D05:56
ShadowJKeh, why?05:56
jacekowskithat probably detects that there is something wrong with battery05:56
jacekowskiand bme kills phone05:56
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: bme detects bat removal (BSI)05:57
ShadowJKI was "why" at "bat must be charging"05:57
ShadowJKBut in asking that question I assumed that after stopping bme you would configure bq24150 to maximum current and disable termination05:58
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: I did none of these05:58
timetochange --set-rd-flags=yes-lifeguard-reset05:58
timetochangeis how you turn it back on right?05:58
timetochangefor flasher05:59
DocScrutinizer51just reduced system requirements to <10005:59
ShadowJKthink it could do 200?05:59
DocScrutinizer51maybe 20005:59
ShadowJK(enough to display a friendly dialog)05:59
DocScrutinizer51but I thought emergency charge are 10006:00
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DocScrutinizer51I know it's emergency as solid BRIGHT yellow06:01
ShadowJKWell, if you kill bme, bq24150 will continue at bme programmed rate of, most likely, 950, for 32sec. After that it will revert to defaults, and since bme has tickled usb, the otg line will be active, which will enable 550mA06:01
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timetochangehow do I turn lifeguard back on?06:01
timetochangehad this before $ sudo flasher --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset06:01
ShadowJK550 because it's the default, lowest, rate06:02
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: and if bq isn't charging while bat removal, then it's too slow06:02
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: take some sleep06:03
ShadowJKWhat is too slow?06:03
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DocScrutinizer51hmm maybe I really should06:04
DocScrutinizer51starting up from no charge to emergency charge or whatever06:04
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ShadowJKIt basically works as long as your system is ok06:05
DocScrutinizer51you got no more than 32s after stop bme to remove cell06:05
Termanatimetochange, sudo flasher --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset --disable-rd-mode06:05
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ShadowJKOh, how come?06:05
ShadowJKgrrr, my N900 battery is too full to test right now :)06:06
DocScrutinizer51otherwise hard shutdown06:06
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DocScrutinizer51discharging is just too easy I've been told06:06
ShadowJKyeah well, they don't have mugen ;)06:07
DocScrutinizer51I suggest 5min call with speakerphone06:07
ShadowJK(new thread of conversation) what's up with DrinkCounter anyway, it's like someone very drunk had coded it06:08
DocScrutinizer51don't forget to talk or fart or... whatever though. otherwise no TX :-P06:08
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ShadowJKMy own battery draining recipie consists of GPSJinni, and gpodder downloading a few gigabytes of youtub over 3g ;p06:08
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders if tmo would be right place for me to spread the news :-D06:09
ShadowJKMy record is at about 1100mA drain06:09
TermanaRather backwards. No battery draining strategies are now needed.06:09
DocScrutinizer51should suffice :)06:09
TermanaNow battery*06:09
ShadowJKTermana, that's easy, just turn it off06:09
TermanaFunny how a typo can change a sentence to mean something else :\ :P06:10
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: don't forget to STOP the hogs before you attach charger and stop bme06:10
* DocScrutinizer51 starts pondering about micro USB dongle with a small NiMH cell stack, to deliver 500mA for 60s. Rechargable over boost mode06:12
timetochangefinally flashed, not sure rsync completely backed it up though06:12
DocScrutinizer51think I'll sell the patent06:12
timetochangeI guess the first boot after a flash takes forever eh06:12
ShadowJKa bunch of files are being copied to emmc06:13
timetochangegay ass shaking hands thing is back06:13
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DocScrutinizer51tell me if phone works now :-P06:13
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pramodxylehey, maemo repo is down, isn't it??06:14
timetochangewell that's jenky06:14
DocScrutinizer51tell me06:14
timetochangetook a while to boot06:15
timetochangefookin a06:15
timetochangehope this shit restores06:15
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timetochangejust wish i knew why this all happened06:15
TermanaThat's the only thing I hate about repositories. If they go down, your stuffed in installing apps and stuff (unless its in another repo)06:15
DocScrutinizer51so look at Vtopic06:15
DocScrutinizer51/topic even06:16
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* infobot barks, like a rabid dog.06:30
DocScrutinizer51damn it's all my internet is borked06:31
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DocScrutinizer51random abort of connections after 5..20kb (estimated)06:32
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DocScrutinizerOOOOOH my God!07:14
DocScrutinizerthe idiot linux machine has changed my MTU to 150007:15
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moo---DocScrutinizer: MTU 1500 is so 90s :)07:28
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luke-jrmoo---: what??07:34
luke-jr1500 is the max/standard Ethernet07:35
moo---I think the default for Internet connections is 500-600 nowadays07:35
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moo---1500 was default in win9507:35
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luke-jrmoo---: 500-600 is for dialup07:41
luke-jrDSL tends to be 1480 or so07:41
luke-jrCable is usually the full 150007:41
luke-jrno idea what GSM and 3G use07:42
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ech0Asussup everyone08:05
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DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1432 ct.de08:22
DocScrutinizerPING ( 1432(1460) bytes of data.08:22
DocScrutinizer--- ping statistics ---08:22
DocScrutinizer10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9014ms08:22
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/N900/hen-kernel_mohammad> ping -s 1433 ct.de08:23
DocScrutinizerPING ( 1433(1461) bytes of data.08:23
DocScrutinizer--- ping statistics ---08:23
DocScrutinizer15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13999ms08:23
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D-Iivilgood morning.08:24
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solrizeheh, n900 dropped another $50 at newegg... dunno if that's an iphone 4 response, or if it means there's a new nokia coming09:06
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timetochangeyeah I shouldve waited to buy one09:16
timetochangeanyway, why would chaining two routers allow me to receive SIP calls but not make them?09:17
kerioDocScrutinizer: hold on, you can change your sim while the phone is on?09:19
kerioi mean, with a charger09:19
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arachnistDocScrutinizer51: looks like you've gotta set MTU on your interfaces09:39
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solrize  is this good for anything that i can't do with my phone (i.e.tether it to a laptop)?09:44
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keriosolrize: probably10:20
keriohold on, why can't you tether your phone to a laptop?10:20
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keriosolrize: hsdpa 3.6 :/10:22
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keriothe n900 is *way* better than that10:23
keriohmm, MfE with google correctly synced my calendar10:26
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keriodid anyone actually managed to make it work with the contacts?10:28
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ham5how to... disabling the camera sound....10:45
ham5nm wiki maemo :)10:49
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puphome"Several thousands of patents ride on any particular cellphone" - Heller11:49
Macergot the artigo back in action :)11:50
Macerdamn that was a pain in the ass11:50
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redeemanhave anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard?11:51
Macerredeeman: i honestly never thought about it but you are right the older one was way better for some reason11:52
MiXu-why do you even use the vkeyboard :)11:52
* kerio has never seen the vkeyboard11:53
Macerit's good for quick stuff11:53
redeemanbecause its good11:53
MiXu-I've used it maybe 5 times11:53
Maceropera has its own :)11:53
MiXu-HW-keyboard ftw11:53
MacerMiXu-: sometimes if all you have to say in an im is "ok"then the vkb is a litle more practical11:54
MiXu-ok, I get that. But still opening the slide only takes half a second.11:54
ZogGi use vkeyboard for non english purposes11:54
MiXu-and that's how long it takes for vkeyboard to come up :)11:55
kerioi like the slide open anyway11:55
kerioit's easier to hold it, that way11:55
MiXu-same here11:55
DocScrutinizerkerio: sure, why shouldn't you be able to change SIM when you got battery removed. Anyway I told you to switch off the GSM, so it's not a big surprise when it works11:55
Macermaybe if it had portrait mode the vkb would make a little more sense ;)11:55
Maceryou can one hand msgs11:56
MiXu-was it so that opera has a portrait mode vkb?11:56
MiXu-That's pretty handy11:57
Macersafari kind of sucks11:57
kerioon n900?11:57
Macerno haha11:57
kerioDocScrutinizer: so did you replace the bme or what?11:58
MiXu-There's some stuff in N900 that they could have dropped in favor of doing something more useful(tm).11:58
MacerMiXu-: like portrait mode? :)11:58
DocScrutinizerkerio: read backscroll11:58
redeemanvkb is faster to type on.. well.. was11:58
MiXu-Like the virtual keyboard in it's current form.11:58
kerioDocScrutinizer: lost backscroll :|11:58
MiXu-Macer: The portrait mode is useful in browser. I like that.11:58
MacerMiXu-: i kind of figured portrait mode was good for desktop widgets too11:59
Macerotherwise you do this awkward wrist rotation flip thing out the pocket11:59
MiXu-N900 is not the best device ergonomics wise12:00
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Macerno portrait media player sucks really bad12:01
MiXu-There's some majorly useless stuff in the Settings. Like the notification led settings :D12:01
Maceragain with the awkward wrist flipping12:01
Macerthere is an add-on to change the color of the led12:01
Macerthat comes in handy12:01
MiXu-I'm pretty sure 95% of people couldn't care less about how the led works. As long as it works. :)12:02
Maceryou can change how it blinks and what color depending on what kind of thing it is12:02
Macerwell...i like the led12:02
MiXu-I like it too. But it's enough for me in it's original form.12:03
MiXu-Facebook desktop widget is also completely useless.12:03
keriothat's external, isn't it?12:04
MiXu-Hmm. Could be actually.12:04
MiXu-Then there's chess and mahjong... :P12:05
MiXu-and RSS12:05
keriosomeone needs to break in the nokia HQ and steal the full source code btw12:05
MiXu-RSS would be useful if it was even remotely user friendly and usable :)12:06
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* konttori thinks there exists a complere rewrite of rss in nokia svn/git. 12:18
konttorioh, and harmattan rss reader is really nice. My favorite app of harmattan at the moment12:19
konttorimuuuuch better usability-wise (and obviously, in all other aspects as well)12:19
keriowhen is it going to be released?12:20
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MiXu-konttori: Yeah, I agree12:25
konttorikerio: like I could tell you. ;)12:26
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keriosix months?12:26
keriosix years?12:26
konttoriwithin next 3 years12:26
TermanaDid you hear that Nokia, konttori just broke his NDA. He told us its going to be released in the next 3 years!12:27
konttorilol. now that i broke it, i can probably tell the rest of the details and publish a video ;)12:28
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kerioDocScrutinizer: hey, that's cool12:30
keriodisabling the bme and waiting for the light to come up lets you remove the battery12:31
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DocScrutinizerkerio: tel me news12:31
DocScrutinizerkerio: no use in pretending you found something new. The irc logs of last night are everywhere12:32
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kerioi was... confirming what you said?12:33
pupnikeh what is this?  remove battery while device is on?12:34
DocScrutinizeroh, I got that wrong12:34
kerioi don't think changing the sim works though12:34
DocScrutinizerpupnik: hotswap of battery is possible12:34
pupnikthat's cool!12:34
pupnikmake a little idiot-gui for that and make a 'bam!' post to planet12:35
pupnik'try that, iphone' etc12:35
DocScrutinizerpupnik: though I have to start claiming it whenever somebody mentions the topic: THIS MIGHT BE LETHAL TO YOUR HARDWARE12:35
DocScrutinizerI don't see why it should, but I can not guarantee there's no hidden quirk12:36
kerioDocScrutinizer: does it work with the usb cable too?12:36
kerioi only tried the wall charger so far12:36
DocScrutinizerI think it will work only with wallcharger12:37
DocScrutinizeror with the special dongle you can order here @ joerg's geekshop12:37
DocScrutinizermicro-usb dongle with very small rechargable batteries, sufficient to power phone for 60s12:38
DocScrutinizercharge with boostmode, then swap main battery12:38
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DocScrutinizercomes with applet to control the whole process12:39
DocScrutinizerstill no warranty :-P12:39
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TermanaWhen I read people saying the n900 doesn't have enough apps on tmo, I have to start to wonder - is all the desktop linux apps plus apps ran through usermode qemu and WINE, and then all the ones in the repo, not enough apps?12:53
TermanaOr are they saying there isn't enough useless apps available?12:54
jacekowskiwell, wine on n900 with qemu is slow12:54
jacekowskiso that's useless12:54
jacekowskidesktop apps are desktop apps12:55
jacekowskiand are quite hard to use as well12:55
Surfawouldn't consider any emulator solution suitable for typical user12:55
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TermanaMeh. I just don't think its straight cut, "there isn't enough apps"12:55
Surfaor anything, which is not somewhere near to stable12:55
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Surfai wouldn't even say that all apps (or themes ow whatnot) in the extras (not even testing or devel) are stable enough for anything12:57
Surfaso i kind of agree that "not enough apps" comment12:57
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TermanaPeople wouldn't say their desktop "doesn't have enough apps" - and when you have most desktop apps with a Debian chroot, I just don't think your LOSING functionality. Sure some of its harder to use, being more suited to the desktop. But its still there if its needed.12:59
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Surfapeople do use emulators and chroots on desktop with some effort, but on a handheld? you gotta be kidding me right?12:59
mavhcwhy would you need to run desktop linux apps via an emulator?13:01
TermanaSurfa, what's wrong with using a chroot on a handheld?13:01
pupnikyes they do use them on handhelds Surfa13:01
Termanamavhc, you wouldn't. Chroot is sufficient.13:02
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Surfapupnik, marginal groups are13:02
mavhcram is more of a problem than cpu in a lot of cases13:02
pupnikn900 owners are a 'marginal group'13:03
TermanaSurfa, if you mean its a problem for the masses, what's wrong with Easy Debian? No work involved13:03
pupniknext question13:03
Surfapupnik, not really13:04
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Surfapupnik, majority of n900 owners I know don't bother13:04
D-IivilHola o/13:05
TermanaD-Iivil, hello13:05
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tgalalIs there a way to use the email application in a network with proxy that requires authentication?13:06
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jacekowskihow do you plan to pass imap/pop/smtp traffic trough http proxy?13:08
tgalaljacekowski: Why is this a problem ?13:09
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jacekowskisquare peg in round hole problem13:09
jacekowskidoes that ring a bell?13:09
tgalalnot getting that, really13:10
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tgalalok got it13:12
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MohammadAGLOL crashanddie (topic)13:47
MohammadAGty xD13:47
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smharsince the data storage for the address book/contacts, calender, notes etc of N900 are standard/open source/ documented, it is possible to develop a python program that reads them, and 'compare' them with linux desktop version, thus synchronizing them.          can someone please correct me or confirm this please?13:49
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alteregosmhar: yes, that's possible, though easier to just use opensync.13:50
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smharalterego, I am planning to buy an N900 today, and I will use it for many things including learning python. this could be a good target project to use for learning python; a gui application to sync N900 with linux. could be easier to use than opensync13:55
alteregoA GUI wrapper for opensync would be nicer, written in Python :)13:56
MiXu-I'm not sure what opensync is exactly for, but if it's SyncML, there's already SyncEvolution gui client for N900.13:57
crashanddieMohammadAG: np13:57
smharalterego, from my readings so far and asking here, it seems the only way to sync contacts with linux is using syncevolution which is not as simple as using the windows Nokia Suite13:58
alteregoMiXu-: I think the do similar things.13:58
MiXu-yeah, probably13:58
alteregoAll Ik know is, ubuntu community recommend opensync for syncml13:58
alteregoAlso, I think the issue is more on the desktop side :)13:59
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MiXu-I don't want to plug my phone to a pc to be able to sync. That's so 2001. :)13:59
smharwell, we have to wait until I put my hand on it and see :-)14:00
smharMiXu-, there is always BT and wifi14:00
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MohammadAGssh + copy crap from /home/user/.* directories :P14:01
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smharmohammadAG, that is just copying =backup, not 'using' two synchronized copies14:02
alteregoSod the UI, I'd write an ifup.d script that detects whether my workstation is connected to wifi and does a sync when in home wireless network :)14:02
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MiXu-smhar: They're both limited to your home/work/etc. location.14:02
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MiXu-Not cool.14:02
MiXu-MfE or SyncML over http rule :)14:02
MohammadAGsmhar, that's the hardcore way of doing it :p14:02
alteregoMohammadAG: I'd use rsync for that.14:03
MohammadAGmy experience with it was... meh14:03
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alteregoBetter than just cloning every time :D14:03
alteregoI actually already do something similar for images and videos on my N90014:03
MohammadAGalterego, use diff -u -14:04
alteregoWhen I'm connected via usb or on the same wifi as my laptop it syncs images and videos14:04
alteregoI should probably include other locations mind you.14:04
* MohammadAG wants to backup his /dev/mtd514:04
MohammadAGI tried dd once, but it failed for some reason14:05
MohammadAGI wonder if I had it mounted14:05
alteregoProbably :P14:05
alteregoThat's where dual booting comes in handy :)14:05
MohammadAGI dd'd it from fedora14:05
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smharguys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contatcs14:07
smharguys, all those methods are fine, but what they do is just make/update a copy of your data, specifically contacts and calender in the computer14:08
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smharI am talking of making those copies usable in the computer14:08
alteregosmhar: we know, I don't even use it to backup my contacts. I actually don't use evolution on my laptop tbh. My N900 is my PIM14:08
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alteregoI should at least back it up more regularly though.14:09
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smharalterego, what if it crashed and you lost them?14:09
alteregosmhar: I'd be buggered :P14:10
alteregoLuckily my care free attitude stops me from  caring :)14:11
alteregoI only really care about contacts and data.14:11
alteregoAnd I export contacts pretty regularly.14:11
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keriodid anyone manage to make MfE work with google contacts?14:16
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* alterego spits "google schmoogle" :P14:18
keriothe sync always fails14:18
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alturiakkerio: it's a bit dodgy since 1.2, from what I can tell. it works for me as long as a start with a clean device and don't try to merge any contacts with IM-contacts14:26
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, lol expected to have to use i2cset for that14:28
DocScrutinizernah, I like to do new stuff every once in a while :-)14:29
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alteregohungry, but yet again I put geeking above food.14:31
alteregoThis might be why I'm not a fat bastard ...14:31
alteregoI can't take it anymore, I need a bacon sandwich!!!14:32
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, Your instructions make it sound like a fun game to play. Lets play "Which noob will stuff up first!" :P14:34
TermanaI've generally found big bold red text doesn't put them off for some reason.14:35
DocScrutinizerTermana: then it's exactly what I intended to do14:36
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DocScrutinizeras stated inside the big red: I don't see how this procedure could be harmful (except for fs corruption as mentioned on bottom in bold)14:37
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Nadleyhi evrybody14:38
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alteregoHi Dr Nick!14:39
alteregoOh, it's thank god we ditched the Americans day :D14:40
asj_DocScrutinizer: the one place I could use it will never have mains power, doh ;)14:41
Nadleysomebody knows how can I sync all data of my contact with something ( thunderbird, google or my own server)14:41
asj_Nadley: yes14:42
alteregoI'm thinking of making an external battery pack, that plugs into the microUSB14:42
Nadleyasj: I listen you14:42
alteregoActually, I'll probably use the normal non-usb Nokia charger connector to make it work with other handsets.14:42
asj_Nadley: oh you want to know how too? ;) Use MFE or download the SyncML program (never used it though)14:43
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alteregoAnyone got any good solutions for mounting N900 on a bike?14:43
asj_alterego: 2 screws through the back cover is how the Nokia chalenge guys did it14:43
* MohammadAG shrugs14:43
alteregoNot good over rough terrain I imagine14:44
kpelalterego: get a carrying case for N900 andsecure it on the bike somehow?14:44
asj_alterego: oh, away from the phone, not into the phone14:44
MohammadAGis the back cover that good?14:44
alteregoasj_: hahah, yeah, guess that :P14:44
asj_scewing through lion batteries negatively affect their performance, fyi14:44
alteregoI think I'll machine a holder myself, with suspension.14:44
MohammadAGwho would've though14:44
Nadleyasj : I tried MFE with my google account it works but it doesn't sync IM data about my contacts :s. And SyncML I don't know if those data will be sync.14:45
alteregoMake a proto in wood, then I'll probably shape some aluminum.14:45
asj_Nadley: www.nuevasync.com14:45
asj_alterego: fiberglass :)14:45
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asj_foam+epoxy, wet layup, voiala :)14:46
joa_hi there14:46
joa_is there any problem with the maemo repository ?14:46
TermanaDocScrutinizer, end up choosing and installing a distro for your EEE?14:46
Nadleyasj_: ok I tried it thanks14:46
alteregoasj_: I've got some of that actually :)14:47
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joa_I'm trying apt-get update but it is stuck on and then says it fails to resolv it ...14:47
alteregojoa_: try disconnecting your internet connection and reconnecting it14:48
NadleyAlso when I sync with MFE the birthday date of my contact change from one day, for exemple somebody birth 06/22/1988 will be birth 06/23/198814:48
joa_altwell I have nothing14:48
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joa_to loos*14:49
DocScrutinizerTermana: chosen a really not suiting one, but thanks for the installer - works like a charm14:49
kpelNadley: so N900 makes people younger? :)14:49
kpel"the elixir of life"14:50
kpelinteresting bug tbh. Never noticed it.14:50
Nadleykpel: may be but it is not cool because if I want to celebrate a brithday I'll be late :d14:51
kpelyes, it's not cool at all14:51
alteregoAnyway, I just bought a new bikke, which is why I Want to mount my N900 on it :)14:51
alteregoI'll have to make the case splash proof too.14:51
pupniki find that not mounting things to bike helps them last longer14:52
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alteregoIt'll be fine ..14:55
alteregoUnless I fall off...14:55
alteregoAnd it's insured :)14:55
joa_the weird thing is that I can ping just fine (altough 40ms response time)14:56
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crashanddiealterego: new bike?14:58
alteregocrashanddie: yeah :)14:58
crashanddiealterego: pics?14:58
alteregoNot yet, it's actually at my parents, should be receiving it during the week14:59
alteregoIt's quite cheap and nasty tbh, 280 quid14:59
crashanddieah :)14:59
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crashanddieyou do realise for just a couple hundred more, you get a bike that'll last you over a decade?15:00
crashanddiealterego: gears?15:00
alteregoMy dad actually got it, so I know not a lot about it at all. Alu frame; got some road tires for it. No suspension but I've never been too fussed with that.15:00
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alteregoNot sure, I'm guessing 2115:00
crashanddienha, suspension isn't needed if you're not going to do mountainbiking15:00
crashanddieeven I'm a pretty avid single tracker, and have no suspension15:00
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alteregoIt is a mountain style frame and bars15:01
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alteregoSo I might get some bars as I'm more comfortable cycling with my hands side on tbh15:01
crashanddiethe problem is that between the loss of power you get with a cheapo suspension, and the price you have to fork out for good suspension (count between 250 and 500 quid for a good suspension fork), it's usually a lot better and cheaper to go for no suspension15:01
alteregoadds a lot of weight, the cheap ones do.15:02
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alteregotbh, I wouldn't have cared if it was a crappy 4th hand 50 quid purchase, I just want to get back on the road :D15:03
crashanddieplus, you can have all the suspension in the world, if you don't know how to absorb shocks by yourself (our knees and elbows are actually pretty good), you'll end up with a broken back15:03
alteregoAnd the weather has been so great recently ..15:03
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alteregocrashanddie: hah, for sure15:03
crashanddiealterego: are you in london?15:03
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alteregoWell, about 8 miles out15:03
crashanddiedunno about cmbr, but in London, you can actually go to auctions the met police holds for stolen bikes15:03
alteregoYeah, they do that here too :)15:04
crashanddieyou can get a good 300 quid bike for roughly 60-10015:04
crashanddieit's where I got a cheapo push bike for commuting in the city (from train station to work)15:04
alteregoThat actually didn't occur to me, maybe when I get more serious I'll look ingot something better,15:04
alteregoYou in London?15:04
crashanddieused to be15:04
crashanddiethen moved to australia, now back in France15:05
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crashanddiewell, whenever you're interested in getting a good bike, feel free to start a topic on tmo15:05
crashanddieI'd be happy to chime in15:05
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alteregoCool, I've got a mate who used to work in a bike shop. He knows a lot and has given me good advice in the past. He personally tends to go for bikes that are about 2 grand though and custom built by him :D15:06
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alteregoAnd then he complains when they get stolen ...15:06
crashanddie(FYI, I'm more in favour of "solid and durable" rather than "cutting edge and expensive". For example, I have a single chain with the gears inside the rear hub. Prevents derailing, and prevents a lot of breakage when doing single track15:06
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alteregoI think he said that he's had 6 bikes stolen, totelling something like 15 grand in total. And he's only ever had one found and returned.15:07
alteregoEven though they're all pretty unique :/15:07
crashanddiethen he needs to use a lock?15:07
alteregoHahah, he needs to stop getting pissed and leaving the bikes locked outside of pubs :P15:08
alteregoLocks to crap all round here,15:08
alteregoI think Cambridge is one of the worst places to live when it comes to bike theft :D15:08
crashanddiemeh, I've parked my (good) bike in London plenty of times, even in rough areas, and the worse I had stolen was my saddle15:08
alteregoThey're quick with their bolt cutters pikey bastards ..15:08
crashanddiebolt cutters won't go through a good SRA-approved lock15:08
crashanddiebut yeah, it means you have to push 150 quid on a lock15:09
alteregoAnd how heavy would that lock be? :P15:09
crashanddierelatively heavy15:09
crashanddieprice also pays for cheaper materials15:09
infobotcrashanddie meant: price also pays for lighter materials15:09
alteregoI've got a dlock, stops them walking off with it but it wouldn't hold up against a bolt cutter :D15:10
alteregoSo I don't plan on leaving my bike unattended in places where it's likely to get stolen ...15:10
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alteregoLike outside a pub in the middle of town all night :D15:10
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joa_that apt-get update issue : can it be caused by the wifi connection somehow ?15:12
crashanddieI use a hardened steel u-lock, won't go through it with a bolt cutter15:12
crashanddiemaybe using the old pipe trick, or jack, and obviously power tools15:13
joa_(I'm sorry to bother you with this but I'm in deep ****, I have to write a report on a project for tomorrow and can't even compile my app to make some screenshots ...)15:13
crashanddiealterego: if you can, invest in an o-lock15:14
alteregojoa_: ah, last minute woes, I remember those :P15:14
alteregocrashanddie: I'll keep it in mind, money is a little tight at the moment.15:14
crashanddiealterego: try to imagine how handcuffs work. The lock slides across the closing buckle, which means that as you tighten the lock, you remove space for any other thief to insert their tools15:14
crashanddiethis is probably the most secure lock around as we speak15:15
alteregocrashanddie: I've never thought of it like that, but yeah, that'sgood food for thought.15:15
crashanddieonly power tools will go through it15:15
crashanddiealterego: well, worse that bolt cutters is the old pipe trick I spoke of. They take a bike metal pipe of 3 meters or something, and just twist the lock to shit15:16
crashanddie(usually damaging the bike too)15:16
crashanddieerr, "a big metal pipe"15:16
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kpeljoa_: try activating a gprs connection, then do "host whatever_server_you_cannot_resolve"15:20
kpeljoa_: that will tell you if there is something wrong with your wifi setup.15:20
joa_kpel, I did mention I was using the scratchbox, didn't I?15:21
joa_kpel, I didn't ... silly me15:21
crashanddiealterego: get a u-lock or o-lock for the back-wheel and frame (most expensive, roughly 30 quid), then a cable lock (simple cable, 10 quid) that you lock your front wheel, and pass through your saddle too. Attach that to the u-lock, and you're safe.15:21
alteregoNow all I need is my bike15:23
alteregoThink I'll go and collect it tomorrow :)15:23
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pupniki'd like a simple pager alarm if bike is disturbed15:25
alteregoWell, N900's are getting so cheap now that could probably be arranged ;)15:26
alteregoActually, in my previous job, I worked with a device called a "Tellme" board, which had relay contacts and also contact closure switches, and you could set up the board to notify you of changes via SMS15:27
alteregoOr poll it for changes via SMS15:27
smharok..what is the price now? the cheaper I found here is $54415:27
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kpeli'm surprised nobody started yelling "Arduino! Arduino!" yet15:27
alteregoIt ran off of an on board battery that lasts about a month15:27
alteregoAnd it would probably fit into an area under your saddle, or inside the actualy frame quite easily .. :)15:27
alteregoIt also had temperature sensors, would be cool if you could plug in a GPS, though that's pushing it a bit far :)15:28
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alteregoOtoh, provided the divce isn't disturbed, cell info would be probably good enough to track it for the police ..15:29
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kpeldepends on the NW density15:29
kpelbut if the device sends all the cells in its active set, plus signal strength from each, then it becomes easier to work out the location15:30
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SpeedEvilgps modules are quite cheap15:32
alteregoI think a bit of analysis whilst it's in motion would work.15:32
SpeedEvilno point innot adding one15:32
SpeedEvilAnd you;';re missingthe point15:33
alteregoSpeedEvil: this specific board I have in mind wont interface with that ..15:33
SpeedEvilWhile in principle, you can do cell positioning like that - it's not setup to do so15:33
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kpeli thought the idea was to use what is vailable15:35
SpeedEvilAVR is to arduino as lego is to legolas.15:44
SpeedEvillego is to legoland15:44
SpeedEvilfor example - gps tracker15:46
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SpeedEvilthey're coming down in price a lot15:46
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alteregoSpeedEvil: oh, that's sweet, and pretty cheap15:54
alteregoSpeedEvil: not sure how big it is though ..15:55
SpeedEvilThere are similar smaller ones.15:56
SpeedEvilSparkfun is good as an indicative 'what's available' site.15:59
SpeedEvilthough often you canby shopping around get stuff at half the price15:59
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chem|stcrashanddie: did you want to get back in mod costume now or not?16:14
chem|stgot a fancy clown nose to add :)16:14
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RST38hchem|st: it goes well with a little mustachio16:19
crashanddiechem|st: you seem to be doing fine16:19
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RST38hBTW, anyone using OpenGLES on N900?16:23
RST38hs/using/programming in16:23
lcuklittle fragments of RST38h16:24
lcukmoin btw16:24
alteregoI remember seeing a while ago a Qt custom widget example where they created an analog dial.16:24
alteregoAnyone know where this is? I can't find it through google for scht ...16:24
crashanddiehardly analog :P16:24
crashanddieunless Qt is older than I thought it was16:24
alteregoI wonder if it was in the Qt book actually ..16:26
* alterego checks16:26
lcukmoses was a qt developer16:26
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alteregoYes, and the 10 commandments where exactly that, his first hello world :D16:27
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lcukhe didnt like the first patch supplied by god16:28
lcukso they scrapped that idea and did some extreme buddy programming to come up with a better example16:28
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alteregoI can't even find the freakin' Qt book any more ..16:30
alteregoAh, found it ...16:31
MohammadAGQt for dummies16:31
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luke-jrcrashanddie: it was analog like the "analog clock" widget is16:35
luke-jrQt 2 I think?16:35
crashanddieluke-jr: I think your sarcasm meter is broken16:35
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chem|stcrashanddie: right... no we don't16:39
crashanddiechem|st: you're having trouble?16:39
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chem|stcrashanddie: if we get like 20 more mods each has to do a bit...16:43
chem|stcrashanddie: it is getting more every day16:43
crashanddiethen launch a campaign\16:44
crashanddiecampaign to recrute people16:44
chem|stI recognized lots of <10 posts people16:44
luke-jrjust op the top of the userlist16:45
chem|stwe got 3 out of that last time so I'd like to talk people I think of doing good in to it ;)16:45
luke-jr_0x47 to apoi16:45
luke-jror so16:45
MohammadAGeasily exploitable16:45
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luke-jrwe have an unusually low op:total ratio in #anime today16:47
luke-jrjust under 50%16:47
luke-jrthere, now exactly 50%16:48
lcukso 1 op, 2 users :p16:48
crashanddieluke-jr: we're talking about mods, nop ops16:48
luke-jrlcuk: 39/78 ops16:48
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crashanddiethat's bollocks, really16:49
crashanddieit's all just about e-peen16:49
TriztI know I ask this in the wrong channel, but how do I do something similar to php's $object->$functionname() in python with it's self-object16:49
luke-jrcrashanddie: in practice, it tends to work16:50
crashanddiethere is no practice16:50
crashanddieluke-jr: look at this channel, one op can handle the full activity of the 500 users16:50
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alteregoTrizt: self.function()16:51
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luke-jrcrashanddie: except when that one op is gone?16:51
crashanddiemaybe you attract a lot of /b/tards, but even then, you don't need more than 10 ops in any channel freenode will allow16:51
crashanddieyou just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that16:51
Triztalterego; I have the functions name in the variable, I get "object has no attribute 'ckn'"16:51
chem|st4-5 ops is just right16:52
luke-jror just op anyone remotely trustworthy and deop those who abuse it16:52
alteregoTrizt: oh, you want a function reference from a variable container it's name16:52
alteregoTrizt: f = self.__dict__[variable]; f()16:52
Triztalterego; thanks16:53
RST38hlcuk: mourning indeed16:53
luke-jralterego: does that pass self correctly?16:53
luke-jras the first argument, I mean16:53
RST38hlcuk: Anyway, I need to render into a texture or a pixmap16:53
alteregoluke-jr: yes, as it's already bound I believe16:53
RST38hlcuk: Tried the methods prescribed by TI, but none of them work16:53
alteregoWhere as, SomeClass.__dict__[blah] would not be ..16:54
Triztalterego; it worked :) you saved me hours of time as I don't have to make a load of if...elseif...else16:54
alteregoTrizt: :)16:54
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alteregoTeeheehee, custom widgets in Qt are really nice16:57
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alteregoNow it's all starting to make sense ...16:57
* Trizt suxx so much in making graphics so he will just use default widgets16:57
MohammadAG<crashanddie> you just need to cover the timezones intelligently, and rarely need 39 ops for that16:58
MohammadAGonly 24 timezones, so 24 ops16:58
crashanddieMohammadAG: nope, you hardly have people awake only 1h per day16:58
alteregoTrizt: unfortunately the app I'm working on requires, well, pretty mnuch 80% custom widgets :D16:58
MohammadAGcrashanddie, what id you do16:58
crashanddieMohammadAG: then you're not an op ;)16:59
Triztalterego; my app would look nicer with some custom widgets, but that has to come later, now I'll just settle for default ones, learn some basic python and qt.17:00
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Triztone thing that troubles me is that everything don't look the same on the n900 as it does on my computer17:00
lcukRST38h, ive got an example here that makes textures based on algorithmic shader17:00
lcuknot quite what you need - are you wanting to pump live bitmaps into it?17:01
alteregoTrizt: yeah, well, if you using Python+PyQt/PySide, I actually just edit the files directly on the device and run them on the device.17:01
Triztchange font size from 10 to 9, makes a litte difference on the computer, on the n900 it's like half the size17:01
lcukRST38h, also, in qt phonon - there is a yuv->rgb conversion shader, taking data in main memory i assume and showing it as a texture within 3d world.  if it can give you any hints to get what you need:
lcukand if you do get some hints please be posting them openly :P17:03
Triztalterego; what size do you set on the frame if you use the app in a way where you have the title bar visible (not full screen)17:04
alteregoTrizt: what frame?17:04
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alteregoTrizt: are you talking about what size is the main windows allocation if run in non fullscreen mode?17:05
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* Trizt nods17:05
alteregoTrizt: well, in the absence of actually knowing where the doc is17:06
alteregoYou can do: print window.width()17:06
alteregoand print: window.height() on the device and find out yourself :P17:06
alteregoHang on, I'll do it :P17:06
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Triztotherwise I could have just switched to another window17:06
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TriztI don't seem to get out that much space, I was running a 800x400, but that too don't feel the right size17:08
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RST38hlcuk: No, this is not what I need...17:09
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lcukok RST38h17:09
RST38hlcuk: What I need is draw to a large texture (1024x512) using GLES17:09
RST38hlcuk: And then show just a PART of this texture to the user17:09
lcukok, so the texture will be modified once per frame17:09
lcukby your flatland code (like mine)17:10
RST38hlcuk: Alternatively, this can probably be done without textures if I have direct access to the off-screen rendering buffer17:10
lcukand then presented17:10
RST38hlcuk: the key part there is "drawing to the texture with GLES"17:10
derfWe do this for Fennec somehow.17:10
RST38hmoo, derf17:11
RST38hI have so far found two ways to do this:17:11
RST38h1) Frame Buffer Objects (found in GLES extensions) - my program will not link, as it does not find the proper functions (like GenFramebuffersOES()) in GLES_CM17:11
RST38h2) EGL piximages, used as textures - I am forced to create a new context for the pixmap, and attempts to use pixmaps from that context for textures in my main context seem to fail17:12
lcukRST38h, i draw to a texture using a shader17:13
lcukphonon draws to a texture using a shader17:13
RST38hlcuk: As I said, it is not exactly the same thing17:13
RST38hNo shader here.17:13
lcukperhaps the shader is the part you need to get it working ? :)17:13
RST38hNo, not really.17:13
lcukto push your data onto the texture?17:14
derfFBO is the "normal" way to do this.17:14
RST38hNo shader will render arbitrary GLES primitives for me :)17:14
alteregoWhat GLES primitives?17:14
RST38hderf: strings |grep GenFramebuffersOES shows me that the function is there17:14
lcukdoes gles have primatives?17:14
alteregoYou have to use shaders to render anything using GLES ..17:14
RST38hderf: But the linker does not find it17:14
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RST38hlcuk: polygones, lines, points, textured or not.17:14
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alteregoYou have to use shaders, that's if you're using GLES 2, I think you can use dumb OpenGL implementation with GLES 1.x17:15
* RST38h would rather not spend time explaining the difference between GLES 1.1 and GLES 2.0 and why shaders have nothing to do with using plain GLES functions to draw stuff17:15
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alteregoRST38h: well, what are you using? GLES 1 or 2?17:15
RST38hGLES 1.1 (
lcukRST38h, not askign you to, but everywhere i looked primatives are said to not work and most everything has to be done with shaders - hence my and alterego's mentioning17:16
alteregoOkay, and you're using old school style primitives? glVertex3f() functions and stuff?17:16
* MohammadAG slaps noobmonk3y with a lcuk 17:16
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RST38hI am using glDrawArrays() and friends17:17
lcukRST38h, :) happy to hear it then17:17
alteregoRST38h: okay, cool.17:17
alteregoAnd you've bound your texture?17:17
RST38halterego: derf is absolutely correct - it has to be done with FBOs17:17
lcukmisconception #1 DELETED17:17
* noobmonk3y giggles17:17
RST38hbut FBOs do not work17:17
* noobmonk3y slaps frals with a lcuk shaped trout17:17
lcukhey noobmonk3y \o17:17
* lcuk was concentrating17:17
alteregoHrm ..17:18
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noobmonk3yhey hey!17:18
alteregoYes, you are right ..17:18
derfUnfortunately the patches to enable all of this stuff in Fennec are in some random bug that I can't find.17:18
alteregoOtherwise you'd have to upload yoru texture every frame.17:18
RST38hThe next suggested method is EGL eglCreatePbufferSurface() but it does not seem to work either17:18
derfI thought pbuffers were going away.17:18
RST38halterego: EGL allows you to bind existing pbuffer to a texture17:19
alteregoRST38h: what do you use to create your rendering context?17:19
RST38hderf: Maybe they were, but the Maemo GLES implementation still has them17:19
RST38haterego: I am getting my main (displayable) context from SDL_GLES17:19
alteregoRight, okay.17:19
RST38halterego: As for the pbuffer context, I am using eglChooseConfig+eglCreateContext17:20
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alteregoRST38h: when are you doing that?17:20
alteregoinit GL function?17:20
RST38hUsing SDL's context does not appear to work: it fails when I call eglMakeCurrent(display,pbuffer,pbuffer,sdl_context)17:20
RST38hDoing it during initialization17:20
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alteregoDo you have a GL context at that point?17:21
alteregoAs in, is it selected?17:21
alteregoOr whatever you'd call it ..17:21
RST38hWell, the SDL makes its context current17:21
alteregoWell, GL functions only work if your GL context is current.17:21
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alteregoYeah, just wondering if you might have a similar issue to what I had with QtOpenGL, which is the openGL context isn't for instance active in the constructor of a class :)17:22
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alteregoAnd I found that I couldn't create my gl objects.17:22
derfRST38h: What is the error it gives?17:23
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RST38hderf: Which one? FBO?17:25
alteregoOh, I've just had a neat idea for my custom widget ...17:25
RST38hderf: Or attempt to make SDL-supplied GL context current, with pbuffers?17:25
alteregoPi * r ** 2 is circumferance right?17:26
alterego(Of a circle)?17:26
RST38hderf: 0x3009, aka BAD-MATCH17:26
alteregoOr is that area17:26
RST38halterego: it is the area17:26
derfRight, so your pixmap is incompatible with the context.17:26
RST38h2pr is the circumference17:26
alteregoDamnit, what's the circ?17:26
alterego2pr right :D17:26
RST38hderf: I tried multiple different pixmap formats, they all end up the same =(17:27
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egerpaul_How can I mount the n900 in Debian Lenny?17:28
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egerpaul_lsusb: Bus 007 Device 004: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode)17:31
alteregoegerpaul_: when you plug it in, if you type 'dmesg' you should see it register a block device called sdX17:31
egerpaul_found the device in dmseg: [13544.043940] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk17:31
alteregoRight, so, mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt17:32
ShadowJKit's probably just sdc17:32
egerpaul_Cheers guys!17:32
alteregoOh yeah, if it's the internal drive.17:32
* noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG 17:32
alteregoI hve a MicroSD too .. :)17:32
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* MohammadAG probes noobmonk3y for BIOS drivers17:33
MohammadAG~fsck noobmonk3y17:33
infobote2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots!17:33
* noobmonk3y lol's17:33
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, ... you geek!17:34
MohammadAGhmm, still has errors17:34
MohammadAG~fsck noobmonk3y17:34
infobote2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses!17:34
derfRST38h: Well, unfortunately I'm not the one who got any of this working for Fennec.17:34
* noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG with a dumbass17:34
MohammadAGhow dare you slap me with a noobmonk3y17:34
derfThough, IIRC, even when it was working, what we were tryingt do at least was unbearably slow.17:34
derf*trying to17:34
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MohammadAGmy lappy's breaking down17:35
lcukall those goats you have been looking at17:35
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MohammadAGlol screw you, it's not my problem if youtube got hacked17:36
vanadismobileyoutube didnt get hacked17:36
vanadismobileits just some javascript17:37
MohammadAGhtml in comments17:37
lcukvanadismobile, thats a hack - people can goto youtube expecting reasonably safe experience and be redirected elsewhere17:37
vanadismobileit's too easy for a hack17:38
lcukwhy did it take years to do then? :)17:38
lcuka hack is a hack17:38
MohammadAGdamn you, I was typing that17:38
RST38hderf: If I at least could directly access the render buffer contents...17:38
* lcuk types faster17:39
MohammadAGlcuk, that's why you didn't do that challenge I gave you17:39
lcukwhich challenge?17:39
RST38hOh well17:39
derfRST38h: You can use a TI extension called bc-cat, but I wouldn't recommend it.17:39
* RST38h sighs and goes out17:39
* lcuk is looking at 2 completely different patches to achieve same goal and wondering which to use17:39
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MohammadAGlcuk, 1 minute - text is test instructions17:40
RST38hwhy, the right one of course17:40
kakashi_Hi, I am trying to flash my n900 [operating system Debian; program flasher-3.5; target: flashing emmc and root] but unfortunately when I run the flashed, I get "USB device found found at bus 001, device address 005. Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted" and the flasher program abruptly ends17:41
MohammadAGrun it as root17:41
RST38hderf: thanks17:41
MohammadAGsu root17:41
kakashi_oh! okay17:42
derfRST38h: You won't thank me when you actually start trying to get it working.17:42
MohammadAGalso, don't boot up in between if you plan to17:42
MohammadAGi.e don't use -R17:42
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Macerglee is kind of funny17:42
kakashi_thanks, stupid mistake17:42
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pytherDoes anyone know what the folder with the phone icon is named?17:45
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lcukMohammadAG, 58 51 56 for 3 different runs17:47
MohammadAGlcuk, 81 -> 71 (adjusted), 58 on my N90017:47
MohammadAG* lcuk types faster <- NOT :P17:48
* lcuk does not type other peoples text well17:48
MohammadAGexcuses excuses17:49
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RST38hderf: I have read it - does not look like it is something worth trying =(17:49
derfWe tried it.17:50
Macerhm. only 1.5TB free on my fileserver17:50
derfIt would do fun things like randomly crash the first time you ran the program, but work the second time.17:50
derfAnd sometimes just reboot your device for no reason.17:50
Macer:( guess I'm going to have to start deleting stuff17:50
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derfWhen it wasn't rebooting your device every time, that is.17:50
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lcukgit diff gives me a diff, but if i want to diff 2 folders using normal "diff" what command options do i use to get the same diff format?17:54
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derfI have no idea if it's the same, but -Naur should be close enough.17:55
lcukcool, thanks derf ill give it a blast17:56
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keriostupid question: the data warning applies *every* $number MBs right?18:02
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mehevilAs I read it, it was the first only.18:07
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keriopoor git18:12
lcuki want to go back to a specific commit in git (so i can diff something without it looking messy)18:12
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lcukbut i dont want to kill the current branches and everything im seeing talks about rollbacks and stuff being for bad commits18:13
lcukits not - i just want to change to it do something then change back to latest18:13
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DragnslicerHas anyone else had problems using Exchange sync with Google? I got it to work once a month or two ago, but it's failed every time before then and since then18:35
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FirebirdIs the auto-builder broken? I keep getting "File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again!"18:39
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kerioDragnslicer: doesn't work here18:39
kerioat least, for contacts18:39
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Dragnslicerkerio- it worked once for me after the last big version update was rolled out to the N900s18:40
DragnslicerNo luck since then, though18:40
kerioi have another bug with the contacts though18:41
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keriosometimes the facebook entry in the contacts just disappears18:41
kerioit's still tracked though, i see the "online" status18:41
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Macerfacebook entry in the contacts?18:41
kerioand i can answer to chats18:41
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DragnslicerI'd blame Facebook for that first, but that's just me18:42
kerioMacer: i open a contact, and there's no "Facebook chat" button18:42
Macerdo you mean like a contact on the desktop?18:42
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Macerweird. i don't use facebook so i don't know what to tell you ;)18:42
Maceri kmow i had a problem wtih the contacts i placed on a desktop not working18:42
keriobut i can answer, and "open contact" from within the chat correctly shows the contact18:42
Maceri had to add the contact to the desktop while being offline from any im otherwise it would go away on its own if i went offline18:43
DragnslicerFacebook's Jabber gateway is a bit flaky18:43
Macerstrange problem18:43
Macerbut i don't want to file a bug because it would get marked as irrlevant18:43
Macerlike bluetooth keyboard support :)18:43
kerioDragnslicer: it's not a server problem18:43
keriobecause if i delete the IM account and then put it back on, it works18:43
kerio(after a loooooooong merge)18:43
keriodoes the USB cable charge slower than the wall charger?18:44
Macerkerio: yes18:44
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Macerplus usb cable has to be in a service mode in order to charge faster18:45
Macermeaning you HAVE to choose usb mass storage or something to get it to bump the power up from the usb port18:45
keriocan't i just tap the area above the menu?18:45
Maceryou can18:45
Macerbut it won't put it into any type of usb mode18:45
Macerand will charge slower18:45
Macera lot slower18:45
keriostupid bme18:45
n900evilI'm not sure that is true18:46
Macern900evil: i'm pretty sure it is18:46
Macercheck the usb power output when you charge on teh cable ;)18:46
kerio500 in "just charge" mode, 500 in pc suite mode18:47
kerioi mean, i see it as pc suite anyway18:47
n900evilit's not18:47
Macerah well. then i guess iw as mistaken. i remember someone here telling me that was an issue18:48
n900evilMacer: I comp.ared current as reported by the charge meter chip.18:48
Macerwhere it charges slower if you don't have a usb service going18:48
Macerthere's a charge meter chip? :)18:48
n900evilWhen tapping outside or pc suite mode18:48
Macerit was the same?18:49
Macerwhat about usb storage mode?18:49
n900evilnot checked - I have no reason to suspect it'd differ.18:49
Macerwell then. my bad ;)18:49
kerioi just... synced my photos18:50
n900evilwhen tapped outside the dialog, I think it pretends to be an empty removable disk18:50
kerioand it's in just charge mode18:50
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kerioi'm browsing it18:50
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timeless_mbphrm, sounds like nokia18:56
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kerioi'm serious, "just charge" is a joke18:58
timeless_mbpis this 1.2 or older?18:58
timeless_mbpthe thing to keep in mind is that usb's limited charging (0.1amp) isn't enough to actually really charge your n90018:58
timeless_mbpwell, it will, if you wait forever18:59
keriotimeless: 1.218:59
timeless_mbpunless you're watching youtube or something18:59
timeless_mbpso… the n900 has to agree with the host to provide a service18:59
timeless_mbpwhat it's supposed to do in certain circumstances is say "hey, i'm a mass storage device, but oh, i don't have any storage today"18:59
kerioit shows as a N900 (iSync) here18:59
timeless_mbpwhich is a clever way of tricking the host into giving it 0.5 amps instead19:00
kerio(osx's system profiler)19:00
* timeless_mbp looks for a micro usb cable19:00
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timeless_mbpand you said your n900 was on?19:01
* timeless_mbp presses the power key on an n900 running 1.219:01
kerion900 on, i connect it with nokia's usb cable, tap out of the dialogue box to select "just charge19:02
keriothen i open "nokia multimedia transfer"19:02
kerioand i can browse the device19:02
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SpeedEvilopen with what19:03
keriomy laptop19:03
kerioos x19:03
timeless_mbphe's running os x19:03
timeless_mbpi'll deal w/ him19:03
timeless_mbpso, first of all19:03
* kerio feels like a pariah19:03
timeless_mbpyour criteria for understanding "mass storage" is wrong19:03
timeless_mbpopen file manager on the n90019:03
timeless_mbpif you can see Document, Images, etc19:03
timeless_mbpthen you aren't using mass storage19:04
kerioi'm not using mass storage19:04
kerioi'm using nokia's weird isuite protocol19:04
keriobut i shouldn't be19:04
keriobecause i chose "just charge"19:04
kerioand not pc suite19:04
timeless_mbpwhy the heck do you care?19:04
timeless_mbpthere are only two modes on the n90019:04
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timeless_mbpmass storage and everything-else19:05
keriothen why does it let me pick between *three* modes?19:05
timeless_mbpthere are only two buttons...19:05
kerioi can choose "just charge"19:05
kerioand it shows as "just charge" in the status menu19:05
timeless_mbpfwiw, my n900 running pr 1.2 when i tapped out gave me N900 (Storage Mode) in System Profiler.app19:06
timeless_mbpw/ nothing mounted19:06
timeless_mbpmy n900 says its current state: charging19:06
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* timeless_mbp goes to find this nokia app for osx19:06
timeless_mbp(sounds like a terrible idea, but hey, i'm game)19:06
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kerioafaik it doesn't install extensions19:07
kerioit's just a program19:07
timeless_mbpwhat's the name again?19:07
kerionokia multimedia transfer19:08
SpeedEvilit was iirc showing up as a camera19:08
timeless_mbpThe Nokia device “N900 (Storage Mode)” is currently connected in a USB mode not supported by Nokia Multimedia Transfer or iSync.19:09
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SpeedEvilsome can do browse fs19:09
timeless_mbpok, so now it's running (kinda)19:09
timeless_mbptapping out still gave me storage mode19:10
SpeedEvilnew in 1.2?19:10
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: i can't recall, but at some point we cheated19:10
timeless_mbpit's storage mode w/ 0 volumes19:10
timeless_mbpall the power, none of the data :)19:10
SpeedEvilsee above19:10
SpeedEvil... removable disk19:11
kerionope, still shows as pc-suite mode here19:11
* SpeedEvil sighs.19:11
timeless_mbpso err19:11
timeless_mbphow the heck do i use this multimedia transfer thing?19:11
SpeedEvilpictbridge clit19:11
keriomenu on top, tools, device browser19:11
Macerthere is someone outside in front of a liquor store making people feel bad for their sins hahahaha19:11
kerioSpeedEvil: freudian slip huh19:12
lcukMacer, then move on :P19:12
lcukyou cant change everyones mind19:12
timeless_mbpi just get this stupid transfer setup dialog19:12
SpeedEviltyping too fast19:12
timeless_mbpwhat version are you using?19:12
keriooh, it wants to know all about your device19:12
keriothat little bitch19:12
kerio1.4.2 (8192)19:13
Triztspy ware19:13
Macerlcuk: i was in my condo19:14
timeless_mbphrm, Nokia Device Browser v1.9 (6304)19:14
Maceri was hearing him on a bullhorn19:14
* timeless_mbp loves the totally incompatible version numbers19:14
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Macer:) it was funny19:14
keriotimeless_mbp: oh, i was talking about multimedia transfer19:14
SpeedEvilI've found how to easily read the n900 when sitting in the sun.19:14
Macerspeaking of multimedia... i need to copy some shows over to my phone19:14
SpeedEvilIt involves a really large towel.19:14
Maceri'm glad the n900 has enough power to play xvids19:15
Macerthe n810 wasn't so good at it19:15
timeless_mbpi think i have 1.4(.0)19:15
lcuki should do that decoding power consumption test19:15
SpeedEvilpower and storage.19:15
lcuki still transcode videos if im going somewhere19:15
lcukever hopeful that lower res / simpler decoding will give me a longer battery life19:16
SpeedEvilthe dsp supported stuff is so much cheaper19:16
timeless_mbpkerio: how did you get 1.4.2?19:16
timeless_mbp claims to offer 1.4(.0)19:16
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timeless_mbpand it offers it in a .zip file, because that's how real mac users expect all their apps to be delivered19:17
* timeless_mbp sighs19:17
* Nadley has is own funambol server but sync it is not as I would like :s19:17
timeless_mbpwell, at least i get to fill out a questionnaire :)19:17
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keriotimeless_mbp: no idea19:18
timeless_mbpkerio: did you use or or ?19:19
keriooh, click on "search for update"19:19
keriohey, here it is19:20
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timeless_mbpyeah well, glad to see they don't offer it in the usa19:20
timeless_mbpanyone here in the usa wanna do me a favor and call nokia care?19:20
Macer"your call will be answered in the order it was received"19:21
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timeless_mbpi'll pay for the call :)19:21
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keriooh come on19:21
kerioapparently i can't enable mass storage mode19:21
MandavarHello everyone19:21
keriosomething is using it19:21
timeless_mbp(it should be a +1800 call… but i'll pay for the coffee)19:21
Macerisn't nokia care a toll free number?19:21
keriobut i don't know wtf it is19:21
* kerio reboots19:21
timeless_mbpkerio: well, what's running?19:21
Macerwow you seriously have some issues with your phone19:21
timeless_mbpopen xterminal and use lsof19:22
timeless_mbpit's probably the Camera :)19:22
kerionope, camera is closed19:22
Mandavardoes anyone know where conversations stores its chatlogs?19:22
timeless_mbp(that likes to leave a file handle open)19:22
timeless_mbpdefine "closed"19:22
keriooh i see19:22
timeless_mbpdid you use the camera today?19:22
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timeless_mbpbecause the camera is -stupid-19:22
keriotimeless_mbp: doesn't show on the dashboard, lid is closed19:22
keriothat's why i'd expect it to be closed, really19:22
timeless_mbpthat doesn't mean the software isn't running19:22
timeless_mbpusers… expectations...19:22
timeless_mbpnever the twain shall meet19:22
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timeless_mbpbut you didn't answer the question...19:23
timeless_mbpdid you use it today?19:23
kerioi did19:23
timeless_mbpthat should be your culprit19:23
kerioi knew i shouldn't've used it19:23
timeless_mbpopen xterminal (ctrl-shift-x)19:23
timeless_mbpkillall camera-ui19:23
Mandavarbut what use is it if you don't use it?19:23
timeless_mbpooh, 1.4.2 knows about my n90019:24
timeless_mbpthis app might not be totally useless19:24
timeless_mbp(1.4.0 was absolutely useless)19:24
keriowait, what19:24
kerioctrl+shift+x opens the terminal?19:24
Mandavarunless you changed it to do something else of course ;)19:24
kerioyay, storage mode19:24
lcukwhich bit of camera software breaks mass storage?  i use camera lots and also usb storage often to then copy some photos off after taking19:24
lcuki dont think ive ever seen the mass storage not available?19:25
timeless_mbplcuk: not sure, i think it might be video19:25
lcuki do both19:25
timeless_mbpbut basically one of the modes leaves an open file handle for the last snap19:25
timeless_mbpand thus you can't unmount because it's in use19:25
lcukmaybe if i was recording19:25
timeless_mbpwhich breaks mass storage19:25
timeless_mbpthis is after the user has closed the ui!19:25
timeless_mbpas far as the user is concerned, it's done19:25
lcukbut it doesnt happen all the time19:26
Mandavarmaybe file a bug report about it?19:26
* kerio is the user19:26
timeless_mbpMandavar: i think i did19:26
lcukwell i was just gonna ask for an nb#19:26
timeless_mbpdunno, lcuk can certainly check19:26
timeless_mbpinternal/external, *shrug*19:26
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* timeless_mbp sighs19:26
timeless_mbpNokia Device Browser is such a PoS19:27
timeless_mbpit violates so many conventions, i'm not sure where to start19:27
lcukcan be an mb# if you like19:27
Mandavaron a totally unrelated note: anyone knows where conversations stores the chatlogs?19:27
keriotimeless_mbp: open the activity monitor19:28
keriosort by cpu19:28
kerioand do something with nokia multimedia transfer19:28
timeless_mbpyou're scaring me19:28
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timeless_mbpi'm more annoyed that cmd- clicking the title area of Nokia Device Browser doesn't work19:29
timeless_mbp(and that the title area doesn't reflect the folder i'm looking at w/ icon)19:29
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timeless_mbphow hard is it to respond to cmd-q19:30
* timeless_mbp kicks the **** out of NDB19:30
timeless_mbpkerio: so, afaict nokia multimedia transfer has changed it from useless empty storage to pcsuite mode19:31
keriothe sad thing is that iphoto doesn't know about my tags and/or geotags19:31
timeless_mbpthat doesn't seem like the wrong thing at all19:31
timeless_mbpkerio: try picasa?19:31
keriotimeless_mbp: it's the wrong thing19:31
timeless_mbpyou're running software on your mac asking it to do X19:32
kerioif i tell it to be in "just charge" mode i want it to JUST CHARGE THE FUCKING BATTERY19:32
timeless_mbpon your n900 you tell it "i don't care"19:32
keriotimeless_mbp: ok, security issues19:32
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timeless_mbpyou didn't tell it "just charge" you said "i don't care"19:32
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timeless_mbpsecurity reasons?19:32
kerioi'm using an "unsafe" computer to charge it19:32
keriobecause i trust the fact that it won't answer to requests19:32
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keriobecause, you know, i'm using "just charge" mode19:33
timeless_mbpthat wasn't in any requirements list anyone here got19:33
timeless_mbpif you think it's an important use case, i'd suggest you make a note to meego19:33
kerioit's not an "important use case"19:33
kerioit's just inconsistant19:33
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timeless_mbptap out means "i don't care"19:33
timeless_mbpit doesn't mean "do this undocumented thing forever"19:34
* timeless_mbp does wonder what the heck nokia did19:34
keriobut... i liked that undocumented thing!19:34
timeless_mbpsince quitting the system menubar doesn't rid me of the behavior19:35
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timeless_mbpanyway, if you really want to force it, use a cable that only supports charging :)19:35
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keriotimeless_mbp: 0.1mA19:36
timeless_mbpoh, yeah well :)19:36
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keriono, that's right19:36
timeless_mbpthat'd be the price you'd pay ;-)19:36
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timeless_mbpfwiw, my translation says 'charging', not 'just charging'19:37
timeless_mbpbut please do feel free to file a bug in bugs.maemo.org19:37
timeless_mbpit should indicate it's in pc suite mode19:37
timeless_mbp(when it is)19:37
Nadleyhi kerio19:37
NadleyI have a question for you kerio19:38
timeless_mbpplease do be sure to indicate in the bug the precise steps to reproduce19:38
timeless_mbpthat includes:19:38
timeless_mbp1. downloading nmt 1.4.019:38
timeless_mbp2. upgrading to 1.4.219:38
timeless_mbp3. leaving that thing running19:38
timeless_mbp4. attaching a working data cable19:38
timeless_mbp5. turning on your n90019:38
timeless_mbp6. connecting the n900 to your data cable to your mac running 10.6 w/ nmt running in the menubar19:38
timeless_mbp7. tapping outside the dialog19:38
keriotimeless_mbp: my translation says "just charge"19:39
timeless_mbp8. opening system information on the mac19:39
timeless_mbpkerio: i wrote my own translation19:39
keriotimeless_mbp: don't write it here, write it in the bug report!19:39
timeless_mbpnot my bug :)19:39
timeless_mbplcuk: did you find no trace of the camera bug?19:39
BluesLeewhat is a mac?:-)19:39
timeless_mbpoh, do us a favor and specify the mac hardware too ;-)19:40
timeless_mbpthat gives someone the chance to requisition one :)19:40
Nadleykerio: do you use skype on your N900 ?19:40
kerioNadley: yeah19:40
Nadleykerio: ok me too but if I delete a contact with skype ID when I'm connected to skype it delete the contact on skype too. Do you have the same trouble ?19:41
kerionever deleted a skype contact19:42
keriotimeless_mbp: heh, they'll love it19:42
kerioi'm on a 17" macbook pro19:42
timeless_mbpNadley: that's by design19:42
timeless_mbpkerio: yep :)19:42
timeless_mbpNadley: it's an integrated system19:42
timeless_mbpif you don't want that behavior, you'll have to disable skype before you munge the contact19:42
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kerioor just delete everything else19:43
timeless_mbpi'm fairly certain this is documented in various postings on the web19:43
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timeless_mbpand no, i'm not defending any behaviors here19:43
timeless_mbpthat's never my job19:43
Nadleytimeless_mbp: ok :s. It is very painfull19:43
lbtX-Fade: ping.... OBS nw seems to have gone....19:43
timeless_mbpi have unfortunately already asked the engineers involved about all of these19:43
timeless_mbpNadley: turning off skype is not painful19:43
timeless_mbpturning off twenty services might be a bit painful19:44
timeless_mbpbut i only have half a dozen (6)19:44
keriotimeless_mbp: that's indeed half a dozen19:44
Nadleytimeless_mbp: yes I will do it like that by turning off skype. And if I merge my contacts with my skype contact I'll have some trouble ?19:45
timeless_mbpkerio: sometimes i wonder if people are unfamiliar w/ en-US/en-GB and only speak en-intl19:45
timeless_mbpNadley: depends on what you're trying to do19:46
timeless_mbpobviously the UI designers and engineers decided this was "the right thing to do"19:46
keriotimeless_mbp: most people speak en-tubes19:46
kerioor en-lolcat19:46
* timeless_mbp hates both19:46
timeless_mbpbut especially the latter19:46
kerioOh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.19:47
timeless_mbplcuk: what's your "show photo" setting set to? No? 2, 4, 6, until dismissed?19:47
Nadleytimeless_mbp: if I had my contacts then merge some of them with my skype contact and turn off skype then delete one of them and turn on skype. My merging work before will stay as it was ?19:48
timeless_mbpNadley: my memory of this is >1 yr old19:48
timeless_mbpbut roughly changes to skype are made live19:48
timeless_mbpif you aren't online, then it shouldn't see changes you make19:49
timeless_mbpbut please don't take me word for it19:49
timeless_mbpit's your data, i don't care about it19:49
Nadleyno prob I'll try it19:49
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* timeless_mbp grumbles19:50
timeless_mbplcuk: there's probably some other magical piece to the camera incantation19:51
timeless_mbpi do remember it from nearly a year ago19:51
timeless_mbpwhat possessed the Media Player / Image Viewer teams to use trash buttons of differing widths?19:52
keriotimeless_mbp: keyword being teamS19:54
timeless_mbpkerio: i should have said "what possessed the two ui designers who almost certainly sat next to eachother"19:55
keriohow can you be so sure?19:55
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keriomaybe they worked from the antipodes of the nokia HQ19:56
timeless_mbpkerio: i work in the building where the team lived19:56
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timeless_mbpand on average mistakes like this are indeed done by neighbors19:56
timeless_mbpi can point to specific instances19:56
timeless_mbpthe ui team lived in a single wing of a single floor19:57
keriowhy does the facebook chat plugin suck this much? :/19:59
kerioafter a sync where i rightfully deleted the "nicknames"19:59
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kerio(which are just name+surname, since facebook doesn't allow for different nicknames)19:59
keriothe facebook chat entry in the contacts just disappears19:59
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timeless_mbpthe nickname is how a contact is connected to a service20:00
timeless_mbpno nickname, no service20:00
keriohuh? no20:01
keriobecause different IM services have different nicknames20:01
timeless_mbpat least, in general20:01
kerioi'm talking about the vcard-type of "nickname"20:01
timeless_mbpyou left the facebook username?20:01
kerioof course20:01
* timeless_mbp shrugs20:01
timeless_mbpiirc facebook was done by facebook20:02
timeless_mbpfile bugs to…. facebook20:02
timeless_mbpthey're in mountainview or thereabouts20:02
timeless_mbpso they should speak English20:02
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kerioi'm just adding it as a jabber chat20:02
kerioscrew that20:02
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lcuktimeless_mbp, sure a year ago potentially, but ive got well over 1000 photos and use camera/usb stuff on a regular basis and never encounter it locking20:21
* timeless_mbp shrugs20:21
timeless_mbpif killall camera-ui fixed it, then it's the right culprit20:21
timeless_mbpif not, lsof would have identified it20:21
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LantiziaIf you need a pen and paper to do your job and you buy them... then expense it with the company... does the company own the pen and paper?20:23
Lantiziaif yes... would the same be true for an N900 and not a pen and paper :)20:23
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kerioLantizia: the real question here is: can you get away with it?20:27
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timeless_mbpLantizia: so...20:29
timeless_mbpif you expensive a food or airilne ticket purchase,…20:29
timeless_mbpthe company doesn't get to keep the food or the ride :)20:29
timeless_mbpbut when i expensive a hdd purchase, my employer owns the drive20:29
timeless_mbpso yes, the company owns the pen and paper20:30
timeless_mbpnow, on average, the company won't ask for the pen+ paper back20:30
timeless_mbpjust like they don't ask for the food20:30
timeless_mbpbut roughly speaking, by reimbursing you, they're purchasing the item from you and thus own it20:30
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Lantiziatimeless_mbp, which country are you in?20:35
timeless_mbpbut i'm making assumptions20:36
timeless_mbpi can't say for certain that it's absolutely the case here20:36
Lantiziayeah it'd be nice to know for sure how it works in the UK :S20:36
timeless_mbpalthough i'm fairly certain because i believe i've been on the wrong end of some of this20:36
timeless_mbpi can't speak to UK law, and google is being unfriendly20:36
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Maceri ddin't even notice that google released actual official builds of chrome for osx and linux20:37
timeless_mbpages ago20:37
Maceri'm not a google fan but chrome is awesome heh20:37
Macertimeless_mbp: well.. didn't really think they were going to to be honest20:37
Macerthought they were going to leave osx and linux up to the opensource builders20:38
Macerchromium got pretty far alone20:38
Macerso then.. what's going on with chrome for my n900? :)20:39
* Macer hides20:39
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kerioit's crappy20:40
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kerioand yet, it's the only browser that consistantly scores 100/100 on the acid3, on my n90020:41
lbtany people around? X-Fade ?20:41
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Maceri thought they took it off the repos20:43
Maceranyways. i have to go20:43
kakashi_I am trying to flash my emmc and I am getting this error
kakashi_what might be the problem?20:49
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kerioare you pushing "u" while connecting the cable?20:49
Lantiziakakashi_, not held down u?20:50
kerioi thought you couldn't reflash the eMMC without flashing everything20:50
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kakashi_infact line number 7 it connects and then goes into Booting device into flash mode and then comes back to Suitable USB device not found, waiting20:53
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kakashi_what does it mean?20:56
kakashi_is it bricked or something?20:56
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n900-dkIs Java really possible on N900?21:04
crashanddien900-dk: yeah, through easy debian IIRC21:04
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luke-jrn900-dk: Java isn't anything special21:05
luke-jrthe only reason it's not available for Maemo is because nobody cares21:05
luke-jrbecause Java sucks21:05
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n900-dkI need it for Junipers SSL WebVPN21:07
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luke-jrwhy not use a normal VPN protocol?21:07
n900-dkbut easy debian will not make Java work in MicroB, right?21:07
n900-dkluke-jr: I'm not sure if that is possible, or if only WebVPN is allowed..21:08
crashanddien900-dk: ah, yeah, no luck21:08
crashanddien900-dk: no java applets21:09
n900-dkok, thx21:10
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kerion900-dk: well, you can use epiphany/iceweasel then21:10
luke-jrit doesn't work on Debian anyway21:11
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crashanddiehmm, liberals winning in poland?21:17
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crashanddieprolongation of the bloodline21:17
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kWHello! Does anybody of you have experience with skype video calls on maemo?21:35
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alteregoWeird, my media player widget has miraculously started working ..21:42
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luke-jrkW: I hear it requires the latest version of Skype on the PC end21:49
luke-jrkW: I also hear that the latest PC Skype is somehow more bloated than older versions, with higher system requirements21:49
luke-jrin the end, though, better to use standard21:49
strohiit hase more "features" :p21:50
kWluke-jr: well, I'm using linux21:50
kWluke-jr: and thus my skype version may not be the "latest"..., as skype releases for linux are always lacking behind...21:51
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luke-jrkW: so don't use Skype; it's a virus anywy21:55
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kWluke-jr: oh... I have a virus on my N900...21:56
luke-jryou do?21:56
luke-jrMaemo doesn't AFAIK have Skype. Nokia just licensed using the protocol...21:56
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kWluke-jr: you mean nokia has written its own skype client?22:02
luke-jrkW: looks that way to me22:02
kWwell, I guess it is not open-source... is it? ;-)22:03
Kegetysthat would explain why it is so crappy :P22:03
luke-jrkW: unlikely; Maemo isn't open source22:03
luke-jractually, that makes for an interesting topic22:03
luke-jrif MeeGo is supposed to be open source, does that mean they're dropping Skype support?22:04
KegetysI wonder if the skypekit thing will work on N900, could make a better implementation22:04
kWwell.. maybe nokias implementation is more amenable to reverse-engineering than the implementation of Skype, Inc.22:04
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luke-jror will we get an open Skype implementation22:04
Surfaluke-jr, why would you think so?22:04
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Surfaluke-jr, there are closed source sw running on other linuxes too22:04
luke-jrSurfa: I don't expect Skype will tolerate an open client22:04
luke-jrSurfa: we're not talking about running a client on an OS22:05
luke-jrwe're talking about integration as part of the OS22:05
Surfaluke-jr, thats' more or less opinions there :)22:05
Surfawhen something is integrated in the sw or just integrated to ui22:05
Surfasw = os22:06
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Surfaor closed source plugin for some app perhaps22:07
kakashi_Btw, I just flashed my n90022:07
luke-jrSurfa: if MeeGo includes anything closed, it's not open22:07
luke-jrsimple as that22:07
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Surfaluke-jr, well, then there aren't very many open os's in the world :)22:08
luke-jrSurfa: sure there are22:08
kakashi_now the problem is that I am not able to make any calls, it says unable to connect to network, and it shows a sign with a "cross on simcard" in the top left status bar22:09
luke-jrDebian's the obvious one22:09
kakashi_even though the simcard is present22:09
Surfaand if skype client was open source, then what?22:09
kakashi_it is not detecting the sim card22:09
Surfawho cares really22:09
luke-jrSurfa: I do.22:09
kakashi_does anybody know why?22:09
Surfakakashi_, have you tried another sim card?22:09
kakashi_it does the same thing22:10
Surfasame problem?22:10
kakashi_I tried flashing it twice22:10
kakashi_it doesn't detect the simcard while booting22:10
Surfaok.. one colleague of mine has problems with certain sim cards22:10
kakashi_this used to work till the morning22:10
Kegetysif skype would be open source, skype support could be added to other IM clients and I could stop using that annoying skype one... plus missing features on the N900 one could be implemented22:10
kakashi_Surfa, infact I have a password on my simcard, it doesnt prompt for it in the begining, I am not sure why it skips it22:11
Surfakakashi_, if it doesn't detect it, of course it won't prompt the pin either22:11
kakashi_any solutions?22:11
Surfasounds hw problems if you did reflash already22:12
Surfa..and it happens with other simcards22:12
Surfasame operator sim card or some other?22:12
Surfadoh, i'm out of ideas22:13
luke-jrKegetys: you can already stop using that annoying Skype one ;)22:13
Surfaoff topic subjective opinion: I have never seen any im client implemented better than originals, only benefit is that they can be integrated into one client, but otherwise they are crappy without exceptions22:15
luke-jrSurfa: another benefit is that one could remove the viral/trojan code22:17
Surfa..trojan code.. right22:17
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luke-jrif you have a decent net connection, Skype will hijack it22:18
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alteregoHeh, just realised the year is MMX :D22:19
Kegetyswhen I see skype eating my net bandwidth I just kill the process, I hope it disconnects the call its routing through my net :P22:20
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mmarc__hey guys, do you know how to fix uninstallable apt-file?22:24
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mmarc__wants libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl, that are missing22:24
mmarc__What repo they are from?22:24
mmarc__Anybody with working apt-file on device or scratchbox?22:25
Surfaluke-jr, i take that you don't use spotify either?22:25
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Surfaluke-jr, it's all about giving something for getting something22:28
mmarc__I need to find where sys/reg.h comes from. On big ubuntu it is libc6-dev, but in scratchbox the apt-file is not working and I can't verify that. PLEASE, could you suggest where to get libconfig-file-perl and libapt-pkg-perl? This is one click for you to verify if they present: apt-cache seach libconfig-file-perl22:31
mmarc__apt-cache search libconfig-file-perl22:32
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toggles_wdoes anyone here use a dc-6 on the n900?22:33
jerhumyes me22:35
jerhumwhy ?22:35
toggles_wjerhum: does it actually charge the device?22:35
toggles_wthe specs I see on teh google say it's only 550mAh, I thought we needed more?22:36
jerhumyes, in my car some trouble need the good position for charge22:36
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toggles_wjerhum: thanks mate22:37
jerhumbut i don't test to a full charge22:37
jerhumbut i use it with gps22:37
toggles_wjerhum: thanks, exactly my plan22:37
ruxpingee. my rootfs on N900 is full. any hints what I should do to free us some space?22:45
ruxpin*free up22:45
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luke-jrSurfa: I22:46
luke-jrSurfa: never heard of "spotify"22:46
toggles_wruxpin: from installing apps?22:47
luke-jrSurfa: I don't give rights.22:47
ruxpintoggles_w: yeah, I was setting up a lot of stuff with apt-get22:47
luke-jrand I get nothing from Skype22:47
ruxpinlike "build-essential" :D22:47
toggles_wruxpin: lol ;-)22:47
toggles_wi'm guessing build-essential isn't optified so will cause you some grief22:48
ruxpinit was in fremantle extras22:48
ruxpinso um22:48
toggles_wyou might want to look in /usr/bin and anything that isn't a softlink is using your root partition22:48
ruxpindo I go to /usr/bin and rm something not so important?22:48
toggles_wruxpin: i wouldn't rm it, apt-get uninstall it22:49
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ruxpinapt-get won't work now because of no free space... :)22:49
ruxpinE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.22:49
toggles_wrm the cache?22:49
toggles_wnot sure of it's part though22:50
toggles_wnope, it's /home..22:51
ruxpinhm, I rm'd something, but df still says 0% free22:51
toggles_wyeah, you'll probably need to remove a few things...22:52
ruxpinis there a doc about what directories are on rootf?22:52 has something22:53
ruxpin/usr/share probably22:53
ruxpinit's 78 MB22:53
ruxpinmaybe some locales I don't need?22:54
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ruxpinok, I managed somehow :)23:00
ruxpinneed to be more careful from now on ;)23:00
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lcukdamn subtitles autotranslated from french to english and its almost as bad as the french original23:17
Macermobilehotspot kicking ass23:17
Macerit still is a little flakey tho :)23:17
Macerlike it doesn't know how to deal with an already connected 3G network but meh23:17
Macerfiddling with it long enough gets it connected23:17
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kerioMacer: not to mention the n900 is a *kickass* 3g modem23:27
Macera modem is a modem23:28
dotblankbut I don't have to pay verzion the $50 for tethering23:29
dotblankeven though the n900 doesn't work with verizon23:29
Maceryeah. i was kind of shocked how many phones nokia have that are att only23:29
kerioMacer: nope23:30
Macernot to mention the fact when i asked them if they had any n9?s that weren't att23:30
Macerthey kept trying to push me into going to att23:30
keriohsupa 10/2 is *a lot*23:30
dotblankI thought 3g didn't work on at&t?23:30
Maceras though they get a kickback from att23:30
dotblankfor the n90023:30
Macerit doesn't23:30
Maceri was looking at n97s at the time23:30
Macerbut wanted to NOT go to att23:30
Maceri HATE att23:30
keriomost 3g dongles only reach 7.2/.38423:30
dotblankim on t-mobile right now23:30
Maceri mean it is an absolute disgust23:30
Macerme too23:30
Macertethered wifi to my n90023:30
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Maceralrighty then23:39
kerioi don't see it as tethering23:39
keriomore like connection sharing23:39
luke-jrtelepathy-spirit = binary blob implementing Skype protocol23:40
luke-jrkerio: N900 *includes* a 3G modem, but it isn't just a modem...23:40
kerioluke-jr: ok, let me rephrase that23:41
keriothe n900 includes a *kickass* 3g modem23:41
luke-jrdotblank: no T-Mobile in Nebraska :/23:41
luke-jrkerio: too bad there's no 3G where I live23:41
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luke-jranyhow, tethering is defined as "connection sharing"23:41
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Macerhm. found the tethering sweet spot where i am at23:48
Maceri was about to start putting mirrors around the damn thing23:49
kerioMacer: speed?23:49
Macerit would actually moreso timeout than anything23:49
Macerkeeps switching between 3.5,3,2.5,2G23:49
kerioset it to "3g only"23:49
kerioand put it near a window23:49
Macerhaha. that's ok. i am in a sweet spot now23:50
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Macerit's working great where it is23:50
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Macersomeone should make an antenna that you can run to the roof23:50
Macerthen plug into the usb port :)23:50
Maceri wonder how far the wifi can go on the n90023:50
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Maceranyways. it is working good now. have it plugged in with the screen off23:51
Macerwhen i used to wifi tether on my G1 the phone would die even when plugged in23:51
ruxpinhmm, managed to get my rootfs down to 91% .. so, it is not usable to install build-essentials on this device .. cross-compiling all the way? :)23:52
keriouninstall stuff23:52
ruxpinhm, well, this specific package I wanted to compile wanted me to pull some weird things with lots of deps ..23:52
ruxpinit got full with gtk-doc-tools ..23:53
timeless_mbpruxpin: do you really want to go the gentoo way?23:53
timeless_mbpif so, *why*?23:53
ruxpingentoo is cool :)23:53
ruxpinanyway, I just want geoclue on N90023:53
MohammadAG51ruxpin, install scratchbox, install ssh, get a static ip23:53
MohammadAG51compiling on the go23:53
ruxpingood idea23:54
MohammadAG51i know, cause i'm using that :P23:54
ruxpinI forgot that I already have the maemo dev scratchbox image :)23:54
ruxpintried it a few months ago before getting the actual device23:54
Macerwhat is it about crackheads that they can't keep a license?23:54
Macerok wrong # :)23:55
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ColdFyreare there any recent howto's on running debian/fc13 on the n900?23:57
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Macerhm. i've got a pretty good connection but youtube keeps skipping :/23:59

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