| b-man | apt-worker doesn't have super cow powers ;D | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, so why did you kick it | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: Tim configured ibot for nick infobot on #maemo. having 2 instances of ibot concurrently on same chan is begging for chaos | 00:02 |
| mortini | heh. | 00:03 |
| mortini | it's amusing to have bots talk to each other, but after awhile it gets really annoying | 00:03 |
| lcuk | ahh makes sense DocScrutinizer | 00:03 |
| mortini | had 2 rbots that'd talk to each other and fill up their markov chains with babble | 00:03 |
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| b-man | ohhhh!!!! i think i nailed the problem with apt-worker - the actual /home directory is user:users ;P | 00:04 |
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| Nadley | is there a widget to have information about battery ? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's also eating quite a bit of battery while enabled X-P | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | called battery eye and/or battery graph | 00:06 |
| Nadley | ok and how can I have information about my battery without them | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's [2010-07-01 21:40:00] <SpeedEvil> kaie: http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - is a simple script from ShadowJK that polls the charge meter chip | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | It's not a widget | 00:06 |
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| b-man | ggrraahh!! didn't work xP | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | And atleast battery-eye eats less power than my script ;p | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | (with the battery-eye UI closed) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: obviously, but you could use queen beecon | 00:07 |
| Nadley | ok I'll try all those things | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: what exactly do you need to know about battery? | 00:08 |
| Nadley | approx the % charge and why not the estimated time remaining | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: see, you could also use queen beecon with a cmdline like "lshal|grep percent" | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""why not the estimated time remaining"" seems impossuble to answer by any software fitting on a N900 | 00:09 |
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| Nadley | yes I found this cmdline but I can't find the pipe on the keyboard | 00:10 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: only if it has to be right :P | 00:10 |
| kerio | fn+ctrl to open up the symbols virtual keyboard | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should build a better bigger cmputer to find the question for this answer | 00:10 |
| kerio | btw, i think that other widget is better for this | 00:10 |
| kerio | the one that shows the result of a command | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's queen beecon and desktop cmd line execution widget (or similar) | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | both do almost same afaik | 00:12 |
| Nadley | kerio: thanks | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never tried queen | 00:12 |
| kerio | queen beacon has colors | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | And hexagons | 00:12 |
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| kerio | for stuff that returns a specific exit code | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 00:12 |
| kerio | heh | 00:13 |
| kerio | TEXT FTW | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm ok | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | queen bacon is yummy | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ansii esc would be nice | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AD 0xC0FFE, DEADBEEF | 00:14 |
| * Nadley really like the n900 but he have to learn how to use it :d | 00:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: that actually takes a while | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: DECEA5ED? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | like it does with any powerful complex tool | 00:17 |
| Nadley | I know DocScrutinizer | 00:17 |
| kerio | meh, it's easy | 00:17 |
| flailingmonkey | remember to try out the multi-phasic scanner array | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I still fail on holding the device - while typing - in a way it doesn't bork the wonky 3G | 00:19 |
| crashanddie | ad0be befe11 0dd abba EA5E b100ded f100d | 00:19 |
| kerio | move to a place where's there's actual coverage | 00:19 |
| kerio | hmm, best site to check my connection speed? | 00:19 |
| crashanddie | kerio: yes, you are awesome. now go sell that ego on ebay and move on. | 00:19 |
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| kerio | crashanddie: i think it's against ebay policies | 00:20 |
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| crashanddie | true, harmful substances are banned | 00:21 |
| b-man | hmm, my netbeans-6.0 maemo port generates a /home/user/.netbeans config cache directory of over 10mb :S | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: maybe http://s2.testmy.net/tools/test/u_load.php?ni=1&tt=1&s=97&st=st&ta=&top=&align=center& | 00:23 |
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| Nadley | kerio: what apps are the most usefull for n900 I know it depends of each user but there is more use than other | 00:36 |
| kerio | Nadley: i got this yesterday | 00:36 |
| Nadley | kerio: you got what | 00:37 |
| kerio | my n900 | 00:37 |
| Nadley | oh like me :d | 00:37 |
| kerio | i think you're better off asking someone who's been using it for more than a day | 00:37 |
| Nadley | ok but you as new user what do you use | 00:37 |
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| kerio | install adblock plus (not from application manager, there's a guide somewhere with a version that works) | 00:38 |
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| kerio | then... extended chat protocols | 00:38 |
| kerio | then... dunno | 00:38 |
| kerio | just look at the list on application manager | 00:38 |
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| Nadley | dunno ? | 00:39 |
| kerio | don't know | 00:39 |
| Nadley | ok | 00:39 |
| Nadley | you tried pidgin ? | 00:40 |
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| kerio | so far the builtin one is working fine | 00:40 |
| Nadley | ok | 00:40 |
| kerio | download the contact merger | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | tweakr, sketch, notes, evince, alarmed, anglemeter, fahrplan, foreca, HP calculator, htop, irreco, location test, midnight commander, mirror, numpty physics, petrovich, recorder, tuner, wifiInfo, xchat | 00:41 |
| kerio | otherwise it's a pain | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: ^^^ | 00:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i have qtirreco, is the gtk version better? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they are quite identical | 00:41 |
| Nadley | DocScrutinizer which the best between cmdline widget and beacon ? | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Nadley: gcc, rsync, ssh | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: dunno, never used queenbee | 00:42 |
| Nadley | ok | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | More seriously - cuteexplorer | 00:42 |
| Nadley | tweakr is for what ? | 00:42 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's for tweaking lots of stuff, plus profiles | 00:43 |
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| * SpeedEvil proposes the death penalty for anyone pointlessly using random 'q's in places they wouldn't normally go, or cute, or qt in package names. | 00:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or i*, or liq | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ot touch!!! | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or* | 00:44 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil++ | 00:45 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: can cutexplorer actually *do* something? | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | explore the fs, delete/move files, and play media files on click | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: BT? | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | bt-obex? | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - no - I don't think that | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not got another bt-obex capable device. | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | (well - I think technically, I could beat my laptop into doing it - but meh.) | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | (or indeed my neo1973) | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | cuteExplorer: "... Send files via bluetooth" | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never seen that | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | (from HAM descr) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, now it's intalled | 00:51 |
| kerio | you can | 00:53 |
| kerio | "send file" | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: Load Applet(!! mandatory); simple brightness applet, torch | 00:54 |
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| Nadley | DocScrutinizer load applet ? what is his purpose ? I install the apps to categorise the menu but I don't know how to configure it you know it | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | its useless - you can not config | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | loadapplet makes you aware of hidden cpu hogs | 00:58 |
| Nadley | ok | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashlight | 00:59 |
| Nadley | yes I have it | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | radio | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | recaller, recorder | 01:02 |
| Nadley | DocScrutinizer so there is no way to organise the apps menu because it is a very big mess | 01:02 |
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| lcuk_afk | Nadley, | 01:03 |
| lcuk_afk | longtap on an icon | 01:03 |
| lcuk_afk | the editor will open | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are projects and efforts. Heard somebody is about to write a config manager for catorize | 01:03 |
| lcuk_afk | you can rearrange all you want | 01:03 |
| Nadley | ok | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, recaller 6.8MB :-o | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk_afk: that's nice for tossing around icons, but doesn't give folders/categories | 01:05 |
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| lcuk_afk | DocScrutinizer, before there was nothing, now there is something. it might not be to everyones taste, but it works :P | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, what's the name of FM-radio? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | app | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nadley: cellular modem control buttons | 01:10 |
| Nadley | to do what | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | switch off GSM while WLAN still active | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | wow | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | why are the LEDs not restricted in Ubuntu? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 01:11 |
| Nadley | there is not applet for that ? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | I can get it to display a much brighter LED when echoing the standard 250 | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's also such a thing like current | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: alas we don't really know what's the specs of the indicator RGB-LED | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: btw 'standard' is 255 maybe | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | root@Nokia-N900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 150 > brightness <-- LOL this didn't go well | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | it sounded wrong | 01:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 01:13 | |
| MohammadAG | should've done it when the vibra was broken | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PLEASE could anybody tell me exact name of FM-receiver app? I fear my firmware is for a region with legal issues -> can't find FM-radio | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeah, you should listen to me more often | 01:16 |
| _0x471 | DocScrutinizer, do you mean in the app manager? or from apt-get? | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | 'fmradio | 01:16 |
| _0x471 | well, yeah | 01:17 |
| _0x471 | :P | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ii fmradio 2010.03.20 Turn the N900 into a FM radio | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | says dpkg -l | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I don't think any regions have an issue with the reciever. | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not part of maemo | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I could be wrong of course. | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It's happened before. | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | installed hal-addon-bme | 01:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1984 I think it was. | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no fmradio :-/ | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | hald-addon-bme* | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | it reports the battery as 0 on ubuntu | 01:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | bme is the actual part that reads the battery I think | 01:19 |
| _0x471 | DocScrutinizer: get it here http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ | 01:19 |
| b-man | yup | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | when you kill bme - the battery indicator goes red | 01:19 |
| _0x471 | wget it | 01:19 |
| _0x471 | nn | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: huh? | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so I need bme installed? | 01:20 |
| b-man | yes | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a dependency | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | _0x471: thanks | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | ugh, who packages this shit | 01:20 |
| b-man | hmm | 01:20 |
| _0x471 | np | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | they need a kick in the arse | 01:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: As far as I understand it - hald-addon-bme does nothing without bme - it's a stub that interprets bme for hal. I may be wrong. | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I guess you're right, but it's stupid to see that it doesn't depend on it | 01:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I may be being confused though - you're talking of a non maemo platform? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, bme handles charging too right? | 01:21 |
| * b-man wonders why bme is not a dependency :/ | 01:21 | |
| b-man | yes | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you've been living under a stone? | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, just checking | 01:22 |
| * b-man is kinda shocked xD | 01:23 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu | 01:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sighs on taxes and royalties madness | 01:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia doesn't ship fm-radio,not even in any repo, because if they did they had to pay insane taxes for the "radio" in several countries | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, running the binary of bme is enough right? | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | what else? | 01:26 |
| * MohammadAG unpacks the deb for bme | 01:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure I just installed fmradio from extras | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: my N900 had the radio on it... | 01:27 |
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| luke-jr | or I installed it, not sure which | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: duh! if you're putting right Q then get good A: there's a lib I guess | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | but in either case, Nokia distributed it to me :) | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's in extras http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/fmradio/2010.03.20/ | 01:28 |
| b-man | MohammadAG: you may not even have to do that - you can just re-download the closed packages from within maemo with "apt-get -d install -reinstall bme-RX51" | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why doesn't it show up for me here in HAM? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, I already downloaded it lol | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, how else did I get hald-addon-bme | 01:28 |
| b-man | ohhh lol | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | installing ubuntu-desktop | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you've got extras enabled? | 01:29 |
| b-man | :) | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | b-man, oh and I'm using x11vnc to go around the UI till I get the ts fixed | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, ts_calibrate should work, but it says ts_open: no such file or directory | 01:30 |
| b-man | hmm | 01:30 |
| b-man | does ts_open exist? | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | no | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^ | 01:30 |
| b-man | MohammadAG: you may need to rebuild the package providing it :S | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ extras | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | maybe you typo'd fmradio? :p | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 01:32 |
| b-man | MohammadAG: just do a "package internals" search on packages.ubuntu.com | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I scrolled thru "All" like a fool | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, use apt-get you noob | 01:33 |
| b-man | LOL | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~trout MohammadAG | 01:33 |
| * infobot slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout! | 01:33 | |
| MohammadAG | ~stab infobot | 01:33 |
| * infobot runs at infobot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 01:33 | |
| b-man | MohammadAG: ironically a couple of hours ago you said he's a pro xD | 01:33 |
| * luke-jr slams a 10lb box of (printed) UNIX man pages on MohammadAG's head. | 01:33 | |
| MohammadAG | b-man, n00bs can be pros at being noobs | 01:33 |
| b-man | LOOL | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you gangsta, you ruined apt! | 01:34 |
| b-man | luke-jr: xDD | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so HAM doesn't show fmradio now | 01:34 |
| * MohammadAG throws an ACME anvil at luke-jr | 01:34 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I think he's dead. | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: pfft, as if ACME can outdo UNIX | 01:34 |
| * b-man drops a 1000 megaton bomb on the channel | 01:35 | |
| luke-jr | ... boom | 01:35 |
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| * MohammadAG lols at someone calling python pythom | 01:35 | |
| MohammadAG | could be a typo though | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, could somebody proofread my extras settings above, please | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | pithon | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | typo, meh | 01:36 |
| * luke-jr glares at DocScrutinizer | 01:36 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, looks k to me | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# grep ext * | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | freakin fsckng HAM | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | b-man is a ham | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, type FM | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | I think it uses a pretty name | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | or should I say "pretty" name | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm NOT a NOOB | 01:38 |
| b-man | LOL | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | * [DocScrutinizer] (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg): joerg | 01:38 |
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| b-man | http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG random picture | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | I know DocScrutinizer, it says engineer right there ^ | 01:39 |
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| * SpeedEvil is constantly in a zen state of n00bness. | 01:39 | |
| MohammadAG | b-man, do you always pose next to traffic lights? | 01:39 |
| b-man | LOLOL | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | fMMS, fMSX, FMTX faker, mediabox-fmradio, simple FMTX..., sleeper, webradio... | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | maybe you have it installed? | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | and you accidentally corrupted the .desktop file | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:40 |
| b-man | MohammadAG: you called that a captain shot earlier lol | 01:40 |
| rafaelbrandao | ok guys how exactly can I package a lib? I was following the 'packaging' tutorial at maemo wiki but it is creating the deb files without the lib... oO' | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not installed | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh, .desktop. mompls | 01:41 |
| rafaelbrandao | during the process it creates a tmp folder that probably contains the useful things but I'm not sure if I can just copy the files and paste on the device at the right paths. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, no fm radio in HAM deinstall either | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | is deinstall the new uninstall? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have a cloudy idea of my CAL settings forbidding FM radio for me | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | FM radio isn't banned in any countries afaik | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900 at least | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | FMTX, yes | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik there was FM radio in HAM | 01:43 |
| Noma | anyone knows why ovi store doesn't let me download my zen bound? i've payed it and all | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and naged with an update twice a week | 01:43 |
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| Noma | it just does nothing with the download link | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | click the title bar and select Downloads | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | so other better explanations please, why I can't install FM radio via HAM | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | no idea, but debs can't precheck for stuff in cal | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dpkg -i this http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/f/fmradio/fmradio_2010.03.20_armel.deb and apt-get -f install to fetch dependencies | 01:45 |
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| luke-jr | wtf | 01:47 |
| luke-jr | the radio app does some kind of text interpreting? | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | will do now, as this is a fernengi shit I'm not really interested in for now (why HAM goes nuts here) | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: huh? | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the rds thing | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | never knew it was in the air | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: htough not alternate frequencies | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it deals with staion names via RDS and whatnot | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | both the FMTX and RX handle RDS | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | if only the TX was a bit stronger, I could get in a taxi and freak out the driver by sending "DIE" textx | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | texts* | 01:49 |
| b-man | lol | 01:49 |
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| mc_teo | does xchat have any dcc problems? | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | works well for me | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | inbound that is | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | see fmtx_client to see how to use it | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | DCC is crap :p | 01:50 |
| mc_teo | mines crashed twice | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | outbound, you need to punch a hole in your NAT | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's never going to work on cellphone | 01:50 |
| mc_teo | yeah im trying to recieve something | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (HAM, on opening the FMradio.deb, when clicking it in microb): missing program pkgs: n900-fmrx-enabler (>=1.5) | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | use dpkg! | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'll do that, MohammadAG | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll do that... later | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | n900-fmrx-enabler is in Repository: | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | do you have that enabled? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL, never heard of | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/ | 01:52 |
| mc_teo | SpeedEvil: so i need to setup any settings? like ips or anything to recieve | 01:52 |
| mc_teo | maybe | 01:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: No. Inbound DCC is sumple | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: You get a note from the server that you need to connect to IP on port XX | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the sender has to "punch a hole" though | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | And then you just connect out | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why could this repo need a manual config and enabling for me? | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it shouldn't, I thought you disabled it | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it comes preenabled | 01:54 |
| mc_teo | SpeedEvil: i think it crashed because i tried saving the default location, which was / for me | 01:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | don't use dcc | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | just use http://dl.free.fr | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I've reieved a couple of hundred megs of stuff with dcc | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | works well | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got Nokia Apps (https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ) and software updates ( .../ssu/mr0 ) | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | then you should have no problems installing it :x | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you fix apt? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get -f install | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | having broken deps is wrong :p | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a *clean* fresh system | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I really feel pissed FM radio isn't there | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I added 3(?) repos, that's all | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | what does apt-get install fmradio show? | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | damn my N900 is hot | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine too. | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Video streaming makes it warm. | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | Installing 224 packages here | 02:02 |
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| mc-scrat | hello everyone. need some help, please. I got an N900 device. I've changed one system file (/sbin/mce) and now the device continues to reboot. I was able to make "flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset", so my phone now tries to boot, but freezes on 5 points. So i have found a way to boot Meego kernel and initrd via flasher-3.5. But there's an issue - I have not time to do anything - it just reboots itself in about a minute or less. How can I ma | 02:03 |
| mc-scrat | k e it work longer? Pls, it's really important for me, because today I have very interesting information earned and written it into calendar. No sync was since then. Pls-plz | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc-scrat: this is 1.2? | 02:05 |
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| mc-scrat | yes | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, flashing only the root filesystem should work and not touch the data at all. | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | mce is on / | 02:06 |
| mc-scrat | hm. btw I forgot it!! | 02:06 |
| mc-scrat | thx for idea! | 02:06 |
| mc-scrat | but the question is still actual =) | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - 'backup' before doing stuff | 02:06 |
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| MohammadAG | and have some emergency fix (ssh at boot up, other OS to fix the file etc...) | 02:07 |
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| mc-scrat | actually i've done it twice before - but in instruction is written "stop mce, then replace file, then start mce". I've forgotten to firstly stop it =) | 02:07 |
| mc-scrat | it's rly a cool thing, but i had no time to install another os, to be honest. but I will of cource! | 02:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head on messing with /sbin/mce | 02:09 | |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't actually matter | 02:09 |
| mc-scrat | hm. I think so, but that's the sequence: replaced (from /home/user/MyDocs folder (maybe wrong permissions is the reason??)), stopped, started, rebooted, rebooted,rebooted... | 02:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Why are you replacing mce at all? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAT did you replace? for what reason? /etc/mce/mce.cfg or /sbin/mce ?? | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG | s/cfg/ini | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | where are these instrucitons/ | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 3 times edited it, then thought WTF whocares | 02:13 |
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| MohammadAG | <-- apparently he does | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you bviously knew what I meant | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | could have put it like /etc/mce/mce* | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as there's just one file in there | 02:14 |
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| e-yes | why maemo's kernel loads an ethernet module? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, mc-scrat seems has managed to detonate his LiIon cell | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | e-yes: fo rWLAN? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or PC suite mode? | 02:16 |
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| mc-scrat | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57042 - the tread about in. In /etc/mce.conf there's no way to disable lock-switch. So it's the hack to replace 1 letter in a binary mce to make lock-switch unusable. Nad: there's a copy of an original mce in /sbin/mce~ of cource! | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure you can redefine the HAL keys | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | you can do it for the camera so it doesn't launch | 02:17 |
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| mc-scrat | hm. I didn't thougth about it - searching the forum gave me solution. But there's the result =)) | 02:19 |
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| mc_teo | ... | 02:19 |
| hume | hi... I'm trying to connect my N900 to a protected wifi network, but the device tries to do a setup process. Why am I not just asked for the password? Is there a way to solve this? I do not have access to the router, so I cannot press any buttons on that, as the N900 asks me to do... | 02:19 |
| mc_teo | why doesnt media player support .avi? | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: AVI is not a file format | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: it's a container | 02:20 |
| mc_teo | for? | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: There can be one of any of several dozen codecs inside it - some of which are supported, som eof which aren't | 02:20 |
| mc_teo | and how can i open this container | 02:20 |
| mc_teo | or convert it | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There are conversion FAQs on the wiki - I have not investigated this area | 02:21 |
| hume | mc_teo, you might need to convert using for instance the Media Conveter for the N770 / N800 | 02:21 |
| hume | or iriverter | 02:21 |
| mc_teo | and afaik its .mpg within | 02:22 |
| hume | anyone knows about protected wifi and the N900? | 02:24 |
| mc_teo | cant you press cancel or something to drop to passphrase prompt | 02:25 |
| hume | no cancel that I can find....sorry | 02:25 |
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| mc_teo | and if the router is configged to make you setup, then it shouldnt be able to bypass it | 02:26 |
| e-yes | DocScrutinizer, smc91 (and mii) | 02:26 |
| mc_teo | the whole point of it is to make sure the user has physical access to the router | 02:27 |
| mc_teo | and isnt wardriving | 02:27 |
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| hume | mc_teo, well... feels a bit strange that my laptop connects without any problems, without physical accesss... | 02:27 |
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| skynets | hi, i want to access my shared folders in windows to copy them to the phone | 02:28 |
| skynets | by wifi | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | hume: well it probably has it saved | 02:29 |
| skynets | whats the simplest way? | 02:29 |
| hume | no, first time ever on this network yesterday | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | UKW-Radio | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't localization a mega brilliant thing :-S | 02:33 |
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| hume | my problem is that I would need to download maps to mappero over the wifi - since I do not have any 3G network where I am. Is there a way to do that via my laptop, that can access the wifi network? Any suggestions? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that rocks... @³½§$##*&%!! | 02:35 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer: ukw-radio? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES! nice, isn't it? | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | ? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's LANG=C for HAM? | 02:38 |
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| pronto | How hard woudl it be to make an app/plug to add something to share photo via service , directly to my ftp/scp server? | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pronto: I think I've seen config files for such things long time ago | 02:39 |
| pronto | really? i've looked around, never came across anything , right now i'm using pixelpipe as a middle-man of sorts | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | picasa also | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's really that simple, then you only need to grep for a typical string (http://share.facebook.foo ?) and copy&edit | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | pronto: Well - there is the alterantive. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | grsync? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | pronto: It's just a cloudy memory | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm wrong | 02:41 |
| pronto | i just want something so i can select multiple photos(as i do now) and share via serivce, so i can edit the title feild, then upload them | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I know what you want | 02:42 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears | 02:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe funny, was just about to install it | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | If there are >8, it won't show | 02:45 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if there is a way to set which show. | 02:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's BAD(tm) | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | portrait mode ;-P | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | no - the screen is not full | 02:47 |
| vldcnst | broken as designed? | 02:47 |
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| MohammadAG | * SpeedEvil wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | apmefo o.O | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | hildon-status-menu crashes for some reason, when it does that many times, it loads the stock widget | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | (s) | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's not that | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If I plug USB in phone mode. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: then I get that, and one dissapears | 02:50 |
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| pronto | DocScrutinizer: any idea where those config files would be? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | automate the process of creating folders in app menu | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | pronto: not at all, sorry | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering about doing that with apmefo to jam top 50 qa queue into a 'testing' folder | 02:52 |
| DrGrov | I hope someone could give me some info about Negri Electronics | 02:54 |
| DrGrov | I wonder how the fuck they did get a hold of the presumable Nokia N9? | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | .config/menus/submenus/ .local/share/applications/hildon/ | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | - where the submenus are | 02:55 |
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| DrGrov | But luckily it is nothing close to the capability of the N900 :) | 02:57 |
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| MohammadAG | holy crap | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It's OK, you're on the cool side. | 03:01 |
| asj | how do we know they aern't the cool side? | 03:02 |
| asj | after all they just luke-jr... | 03:02 |
| asj | got | 03:02 |
| DrGrov | Guys | 03:03 |
| DrGrov | I am here, that makes us the cool side | 03:03 |
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| DrGrov | Well, sleepy time | 03:04 |
| DrGrov | Talk to you guys later | 03:04 |
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| MohammadAG | lol SpeedEvil | 03:05 |
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| e-yes | oh, world war III started? | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | China launched a preemptive strike on the vatican. | 03:09 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I find out what my ts is in /dev // /sys | 03:09 |
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| MohammadAG | root@Nokia-N900:/sys/class/input# TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/sys/class/input/input3 TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf ts_calibrate | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | xres = 800, yres = 480 | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | selected device is not a touchscreen I understand | 03:10 |
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| pronto | WELCOME BACK | 03:12 |
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| crashanddie | pronto: sorry? | 03:20 |
| pronto | huh? | 03:20 |
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| crashanddie | pronto: please don't shout useless material in the channel, thanks | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | FMRadio is a CPU hog | 03:22 |
| nomis | crashanddie: want to see one of the recent gimp bug reports? It is relevant int | 03:22 |
| pronto | o_o no need to be such a stuck up person :| | 03:22 |
| nomis | in this context. | 03:22 |
| nomis | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623264 | 03:22 |
| povbot | Bug 623264: was not found. | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | nomis: not really, but whatever floats your boat I guess | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Err... | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/speedo/0.1-13/ | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes - if it sticks to the API, it has to | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Err - the above - how come someone thumbed it twice | 03:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, ping? | 03:35 |
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| skynets | is the meego usx out | 03:39 |
| skynets | ux* | 03:39 |
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| MohammadAG | #MeeGo | 03:39 |
| asj | meego for handsets, yes, we were toying with it last night | 03:39 |
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| GAN900 | skynets, ripped off of iOS and webOS. | 03:50 |
| GAN900 | With none of the UI paradigms from Maemo 5. | 03:50 |
| skynets | nitdroid looks promising | 03:50 |
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| skynets | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U46e_VYANWs | 03:50 |
| skynets | maemo is dead :P | 03:51 |
| microlith | of course, no one says we have to stick with the default UX | 03:51 |
| skynets | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOnQxIQKQk | 03:51 |
| skynets | wow | 03:51 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how ubuntu would show gparted on the N900 | 03:57 |
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| MohammadAG | heh, it doesn't start | 04:03 |
| GAN900 | microlith, that sounds painful. | 04:03 |
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| rafaelbrandao | do I have access through fakeroot to move files from other folders to folders like /usr/lib on n810? | 04:04 |
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| microlith | GAN900: possibly. | 04:06 |
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| b-man17 | ~ping MohammadAG | 04:12 |
| infobot | pong MohammadAG | 04:12 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 04:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | hey yall, what sip providers do you use? | 04:13 |
| Andy80 | could someone please explain me this error when I run: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S" inside my sources directory ---> dpkg-source: error: control file must have at least one binary package part ? | 04:13 |
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| MohammadAG | No Package: line | 04:14 |
| asj | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: voip.ms and callcentric | 04:14 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: are you repling to me? | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Andy80, yes | 04:18 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: then I didn't understand your reply :P could it help you if I paste somewhere my control file? | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | sure | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | pastebin.com | 04:18 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/9Bz3LbqN | 04:19 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: please note that I'm trying to take example from this project structure: http://github.com/rburchell/rotatedaemon | 04:20 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: it's a Maemo project written in C++/Qt4 (I can generate the source deb using this, without problem) | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | add a break (empty line) after line 6 Standards-Version: 3.7.3 | 04:21 |
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| pigeon | hmm wouldn't normally there's a blank line before Package:? | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 04:21 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: no errors now O_o wtf of syntax is :D ? | 04:21 |
| pigeon | you beat me :) | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | Source lines, line break, Package lines :) | 04:22 |
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| Andy80 | ok, let's continue :) | 04:22 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: I've another kind of problem now... not related to packaging. I can compile my project in Nokia SDK without errors, but I get error trying to compile it under Scratchbox. I get these error: http://pastebin.com/Fkp8aRKg | 04:41 |
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| MohammadAG | Andy80, do you have the required deps installed? | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | deps = dependencies | 04:41 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: I suppose they're libqtm-dev and libqtm-multimedia | 04:42 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: but... how can I know? | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | libt4-dev | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 04:42 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg -l | 04:42 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: dpkg -l shows me all packages... I need to know the dependencies of my application | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG | as a dev, you'll need to know what you used I guess... | 04:47 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: but.... it compiles under NokiaSDK :\ uff | 04:52 |
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| Andy80 | okok... I'm tired -.- | 04:52 |
| Andy80 | cannot understand anything now | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | not sure how the Nokia SDK works | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | try libqt4-dev and libqtm-dev | 04:53 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: both installed :P the funny thing is the on Autobuilder server it compiles https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/msoma_0.1.2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt (even if it FAILS, but for other reasons) | 04:55 |
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| MohammadAG | Andy80, it's trying to use libqt4-maemo5- packages, check the makefile | 04:57 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: libqt4-maemo5-* are obsolete now, right? | 05:01 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 05:01 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: the problem is that, even running apt-get update, scratchbox still doesn't have new packages... | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | what new packages? | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | libqt4- is what you should use | 05:02 |
| MohammadAG | libqt4-maemo5- were taken down | 05:02 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: my Scratchbox repositories don't contain any libqt4-* they ONLY contain libqt4-maemo5-* understand now? | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG | how are you checking? | 05:04 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: apt-cache search libqt* | 05:05 |
| MohammadAG | that shows installed packages too | 05:05 |
| Andy80 | OMG! I can't belive... --> [fremantle]: msoma 0.1.2 OK ^__^ | 05:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 05:05 |
| Andy80 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/msoma/ | 05:06 |
| Andy80 | so... Autobuilder can build it | 05:06 |
| Andy80 | Scratchbox not O_o | 05:06 |
| Andy80 | ok... I'm enough satisfied :) | 05:06 |
| Andy80 | I'll fix Scratchbox tomorrow ;) | 05:06 |
| Andy80 | p.s: if you want to test this application you have to manually run: run-standalone.sh /usr/local/bin/msoma | 05:08 |
| Andy80 | I'll fix this too ofc | 05:08 |
| Andy80 | good night :) | 05:08 |
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| MohammadAG | night Andy80 | 05:09 |
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| Andy80 | and thanks :) | 05:10 |
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| rafaelbrandao | so does anyone know why the dpkg-buildpackage creates useless packages? :p | 05:17 |
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| * GAN900 will retire when he hits 5,000 Thanks. | 05:41 | |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: why? it's hogging so much CPU that it's choppy | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | if I do anything other than radio, anyway | 05:44 |
| luke-jr | (like turning on the display...) | 05:44 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It reads and writes the audio stream | 05:45 |
| luke-jr | that shouldn't use practically any CPU time | 05:45 |
| SpeedEvil | That is as I understand it, the approved way to do it with the API | 05:45 |
| SpeedEvil | It also imposes a 10ms latency requirement I think | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I have 1/2 of a proof of concept direct radio app that uses 'no' CPU | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | not to mention it sometimes falls over. | 05:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been using it lots | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | define approved | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | who's going to complain about a better way? | 05:47 |
| SpeedEvil | The documented manner that is used without screwing with the mixers not through the API | 05:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I only had a brief glance at the API though | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And you can only do this through the phones | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | the speakers 'require' the eq | 05:48 |
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| johnx | mornin' | 06:58 |
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| pyther | Hi | 07:00 |
| pyther | Is microb the default web browser? | 07:00 |
| johnx | hi pyther | 07:00 |
| johnx | and yes, it is | 07:00 |
| johnx | you're asking about the N900 I assume? | 07:00 |
| pyther | yes | 07:01 |
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| RST38h | yawn. | 07:04 |
| RST38h | moorning johnx | 07:05 |
| johnx | hey RST38h | 07:05 |
| johnx | how's the weather? | 07:05 |
| RST38h | cloudless, hot, smells of smoke | 07:07 |
| pyther | yippy firefox mobile actually displays my webmail correctly! | 07:07 |
| johnx | what kind of smoke? | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | pyther: what's wrong with your webmail? | 07:08 |
| johnx | delicious bbq smoke? campfire smoke? illegal drugs smoke? | 07:08 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the problem appears to be that it displays correctly in firefox mobile ... | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | johnx: anything that requires a specific browser is broken | 07:09 |
| asj | johnx: don't get him started | 07:09 |
| pyther | luke-jr: well in microb it won't show the message I have a dual layout deal (messages in the top, and a specific email in the bottom) | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | pyther: SquirrelMail tends to be sane IIRC | 07:09 |
| RST38h | johnx: Who knows... Probably a fire somewhere in the downtown | 07:10 |
| pyther | luke-jr: it works fine in opera, firefox, webkit, etc... | 07:10 |
| asj | err, pyther: don't get him started | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | oh, blame timeless then | 07:10 |
| johnx | luke-jr, wake me up when squirrelmail comes with a caldav client | 07:10 |
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| RST38h | johnx: or the peat bogs burning somewhere | 07:11 |
| johnx | asj, it's possible that your webmail system is trying to do something 'clever' with the user-agent string microb passes it | 07:11 |
| * luke-jr hands timeless the right to pass the blame back if he discovers that to be the case | 07:12 | |
| johnx | RST38h, fun times. I don't even know what peat smells like when it burns | 07:12 |
| RST38h | not well | 07:12 |
| * johnx adds this information to his compendium of smells | 07:12 | |
| RST38h | burning garbage dump minus the garbage smell will be the closest match | 07:13 |
| asj | wake me up when squirrelmail doesnt suck, it's not 1998 anymore | 07:13 |
| * RST38h fires up PINE | 07:14 | |
| asj | RST38h: you can't use mh? ;) | 07:14 |
| johnx | he said 98, not 89 | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | asj: wake me up when people stop trying to turn webpages into applications | 07:14 |
| asj | luke-jr: webpages are applications, you've lost | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | asj: wrong | 07:15 |
| * RST38h fires up LYNX | 07:15 | |
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| asj | luke-jr: sorry man, I don't have all day like you to waste arguing it, but gmail, google reader, google maps, etc are all examples. Time to move into this decade. | 07:16 |
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| luke-jr | asj: examples of idiocy | 07:16 |
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| luke-jr | and bad code | 07:16 |
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| johnx | asj, luke-jr is happy in the 90's and by gum he'll stay there if he wants. Now get off his lawn! :D | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | johnx: you misunderstand | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | I have no interest in the 90s | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | I'm quite happy here in the middle ages | 07:18 |
| pyther | Does anyone use Fuelpad? Any have any idea what price/gal. represents? | 07:18 |
| johnx | ~3USD? | 07:19 |
| RST38h | luke-jr <--- against open source | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: liar | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | johnx: uh, the cost per gallon of fuel? | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | pyther* | 07:19 |
| pyther | johnx: it shows "0.29" and "0.31" for my two different entries | 07:19 |
| RST38h | web apps, written in javascript, always come with the source code | 07:19 |
| RST38h | if you are against web apps, you are against open source | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: few webapps are purely javascript | 07:20 |
| johnx | I was led to believe the middle ages weren't all that fun. Also, I heard that ISPs were kind of crap, too | 07:20 |
| pyther | oh I get it | 07:20 |
| pyther | I'm suppose to enter the total cost of gas | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: the whole point of webapps is to deny me not only the code, but also the binary | 07:20 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 07:20 | |
| pyther | like $30 instead of $2.75/gallon | 07:20 |
| RST38h | why do you need the closed, evil binaries? | 07:20 |
| RST38h | pyther: your clock is set 2 years to the future | 07:21 |
| johnx | actually, with html5 local db, pure js web apps might be kind of workable | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I don't. But at least "closed source" usually allows the freedom to execute. | 07:21 |
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| luke-jr | webapps, you're not even free to execute, just use remotely | 07:21 |
| RST38h | you are free to execute web apps, remotely | 07:22 |
| RST38h | you probably won't want to execute them locally anyway, with huge servers required and all | 07:22 |
| johnx | and if they're written in PHP with crappy input checking, you can execute whatever else you want too :) | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | also, crap that most webapps are (especially Google's), are usually not standards compliant | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: huge servers wouldn't be required if they were sane, normal apps | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | I mean, just look at GMail | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | it has different code for every browser Google supports | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | and generally just doesn't work if Google has no interest in your browser | 07:23 |
| johnx | so, it's closed and it's too bloated and it doesn't support your platform of choice? I'd suggest not using it | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | basically it's like forcing you to use a VNC thinclient | 07:25 |
| johnx | yeah. google sure did force me to use gmail | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I don't use it. | 07:25 |
| asj | interesting argument, but not one has access to gmail source that's not minified, so basically, how do you know luke-jr? :) | 07:25 |
| johnx | they were like, "Use our free email service or we'll keep giving you more storage over time!" | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | asj: :) | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I wouldn't trust Google with my email even if it was sane | 07:26 |
| johnx | ok | 07:26 |
| johnx | I wouldn't use gentoo if someone paid me | 07:26 |
| johnx | so I guess we're both happy | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | nobody will | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | :) | 07:26 |
| RST38h | luke-jr: if you do not use it, do not whine | 07:26 |
| asj | RST38h: this is the internet... | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I whine for the common good! | 07:27 |
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| RST38h | liar. | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | prove it. | 07:27 |
| johnx | RST38h, it's an interesting argument, though. I like the principle of arguing against something that doesn't affect you and that you have no interest in. Like goat cheese ... I don't like the taste and it doesn't come from cows. So you shouldn't eat it | 07:27 |
| RST38h | luke: What common good has come of your whining for the last 2-3 years? | 07:28 |
| asj | johnx: coming from cows is a good things? you know how much poop they get on their tails/legs/etc? | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: try 1.5 years | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: more awareness, hopefully | 07:28 |
| johnx | RST38h, we do have someone we can hang the 'zealot' sign on | 07:28 |
| RST38h | johnx: Ah, not only can I argue for/against something I have no experience with, but I also do not care whether to argue pro- or con- =) | 07:29 |
| * luke-jr polishes his 'zealot' sign | 07:29 | |
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| RST38h | johnx: It is transdickification of the opponent that matters, not the truth =) | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I don't even know who the opponent is usually | 07:30 |
| johnx | luke-jr, hate to break it to you (not really), but for the most part, the awareness you've raised is that 'open source zealots are annoying and impractical' | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | IIRC, the nick arguing against me has change at least once in this topic, but I'm not counting or paying attention to who it is | 07:30 |
| RST38h | but you always know when he turns into a dick though | 07:30 |
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| luke-jr | johnx: prove open source is impractical | 07:31 |
| RST38h | johnx: The original description has been "enthusiastic but dull" =) | 07:31 |
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| luke-jr | I have a more fun idea | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | rather than trying to push webapps on me, how about you come to #yandere for some fun game | 07:33 |
| RST38h | no chance. | 07:34 |
| * RST38h heads to work | 07:34 | |
| asj | fyi | 07:35 |
| asj | Yandere (ヤンデレ?) - is a Japanese term for a person who is initially very loving and gentle to someone before their devotion becomes destructive in nature, often through violence. The term is derived from the words Yan (ヤン?) meaning a mental or emotional illness and Dere (デレ?) meaning to show affection. Yandere characters are mentally unstable, often using extreme violence as an outlet for their emotions. The usage of the character type has led | 07:35 |
| asj | to criticism over the amount of violence in works such as School Days and When They Cry. Although the character type has been used in anime and manga since Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam in 1985, conscious use of the term only began to be around the turn of the millennium. A variant of the term, Yangire (ヤンギレ?) originated in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS and is used to describe a character who is mentally ill and snaps instantly without showing | 07:35 |
| asj | affection for the victim of their outbursts.[1] | 07:35 |
| asj | lol, no way luke-jr | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | come play | 07:36 |
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| asj | the thought makes me ill | 07:39 |
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| johnx | luke-jr, you're twisting my words | 07:43 |
| johnx | keep trying | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | johnx: I'm following the logical conclusion of them | 07:43 |
| johnx | no, you're setting up a straw man to argue against | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | you gave it to me | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | :p | 07:44 |
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| johnx | heh | 07:46 |
| johnx | that's why arguing against you is so fun. it's like a game of 'spot the logical fallacy' set to easy :D | 07:46 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: re:status menu - the status menu can scroll, you know that, right? | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | except that you made the strawman. I only set him up. | 07:47 |
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| johnx | uh huh | 07:50 |
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| rafaelbrandao | hm, how can I run a c compiled program on my n810? just tried ./file and it says I don't have what it takes. | 07:50 |
| Termana | Guys | 07:50 |
| Termana | The psychiatric ward is thata way | 07:51 |
| Termana | :P | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | rafaelbrandao: if you compile it for your N810, yes | 07:51 |
| Termana | "I don't have what it takes" | 07:51 |
| rafaelbrandao | it says I don't permission :P | 07:51 |
| Termana | lol, I'm not sure that the exact wording the error would have used | 07:51 |
| luke-jr | rafaelbrandao: FAT doesn't support permissions | 07:51 |
| Termana | that's* | 07:52 |
| johnx | chmod +x file | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | rafaelbrandao: and yes, I am calling you(r device) fat... | 07:52 |
| rafaelbrandao | no he is not fat. :P | 07:52 |
| rafaelbrandao | ok I'm lost. how can I run that? | 07:55 |
| johnx | first of all, is the file on a memory card formatted as fat16 or fat32? | 07:56 |
| johnx | if not, run chmod +x file in the terminal, then try ./file again | 07:56 |
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| luke-jr | if so, move it somewhere else and do what johnx said | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | (where 'somewhere else' is NOT fat) | 07:58 |
| rafaelbrandao | oh no it is fat. | 07:58 |
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| Termana | phat | 08:02 |
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| rafaelbrandao | yay it worked... but what I've tried to do not. | 08:05 |
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| rafaelbrandao | hm, so if I do that to a configure file it means I'll be able to install my lib through ./configure, make and make install? | 08:06 |
| rafaelbrandao | I've been trying to package it, but it is just not working. | 08:06 |
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| johnx | errr, are you compiling with the maemo sdk? | 08:09 |
| rafaelbrandao | yes ._. | 08:10 |
| johnx | alright, and your trying to install a lib or a binary? | 08:10 |
| johnx | s/binary/executable/ | 08:11 |
| infobot | johnx meant: alright, and your trying to install a lib or a executable? | 08:11 |
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| rafaelbrandao | a lib I suppose. | 08:11 |
| johnx | ok. what are you trying to install? | 08:11 |
| rafaelbrandao | libfprint: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fprint/files/libfprint/v0.0.6/libfprint-0.0.6.tar.bz2 | 08:12 |
| rafaelbrandao | but it also requires libusb-1.0 and imagemagick :( | 08:13 |
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| johnx | then you need to satisfy those dependencies first | 08:13 |
| johnx | I think libusb might already be there | 08:13 |
| johnx | imagemagick probably isn't | 08:13 |
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| johnx | honestly, you'd probably be best starting with a debian source package. then when you get it built you can just install it directly on the n900 | 08:14 |
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| rafaelbrandao | actually I think I would be cool if there was a way to install through ./configure | 08:16 |
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| rafaelbrandao | I've got it working on scratchbox, and now I'm trying test it on the n810 | 08:17 |
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| johnx | alright, so what does it say now when you try to run it? | 08:18 |
| rafaelbrandao | i've been also trying to get the packages through this (http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging) but all I've got so far was a few useless .deb files. | 08:18 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, ping | 08:18 |
| johnx | 'useless' .deb files? | 08:18 |
| rafaelbrandao | yup, it is not getting the libs on them. | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: bong | 08:18 |
| johnx | yeah, you'd need to track down the libs on your own | 08:18 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, quick pm? | 08:18 |
| rafaelbrandao | but when I try to create it, I get a temporary folder with the libs | 08:19 |
| johnx | try to create what? | 08:19 |
| rafaelbrandao | the packages | 08:19 |
| johnx | I'm not trying to be a pedant, but you need to give a couple more details about what you're doing or no one will be able to help you | 08:19 |
| rafaelbrandao | ok, I'll try. :P | 08:19 |
| rafaelbrandao | when I do this: dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -k<my email address> | 08:20 |
| rafaelbrandao | I get the useless .deb files, but a tmp folder with the useful files | 08:20 |
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| johnx | the deb files have the libs in them ... | 08:20 |
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| johnx | well, they generally do | 08:21 |
| johnx | that's the whole point | 08:21 |
| rafaelbrandao | err, not in this case. for example, imagemagick is like more than 20mb, and the two deb files I get are less than 10kb | 08:21 |
| johnx | usually that's a sign that something din't build correctly | 08:22 |
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| rafaelbrandao | what I've just tried to do was to get all those files from the tmp folders | 08:23 |
| johnx | you could probably get away with that | 08:23 |
| rafaelbrandao | and then manually put them on the right places in the device | 08:23 |
| kerio | should i install the power kernel? | 08:23 |
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| rafaelbrandao | when I tried to run the c compiled program, some of its errors shows it's trying to access scratchbox tools :( | 08:26 |
| rafaelbrandao | and of course, gcc not found. | 08:26 |
| johnx | ok, tell us the exact thing you typed and the exact output | 08:27 |
| rafaelbrandao | I've typed: ./enroll | 08:27 |
| rafaelbrandao | line 136: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sed: not found | 08:28 |
| rafaelbrandao | (a few more times) | 08:28 |
| johnx | are you sure that's a compiled c program? | 08:28 |
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| rafaelbrandao | yes. but it doesn't seen to. | 08:29 |
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| johnx | would you do me a favor? from inside scratchbox, would you run: | 08:30 |
| johnx | file enroll | 08:30 |
| rafaelbrandao | ok | 08:30 |
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| rafaelbrandao | enroll: Bourne shell script text executable | 08:30 |
| johnx | ok, so not a c program | 08:30 |
| johnx | one mystery down :) | 08:31 |
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| ds3 | wheeeeeeeeeeee PR 1.2 with almost no dataloss | 08:31 |
| rafaelbrandao | :P | 08:32 |
| ds3 | unfortunately, it didn't fix all the bugs | 08:32 |
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| kerio | should i overclock the n900? | 08:36 |
| johnx | kerio, if you have to ask, the answer is no | 08:36 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: undervoltage instead, to save on battery | 08:37 |
| Termana | SwedeMike, how about, leave it as it is | 08:37 |
| kerio | well, the "ideal" does try to keep the voltage low as much as it can, doesn't it? | 08:37 |
| SwedeMike | Termana: that's what I have done, I have installed the power-settings kernel but haven't tweaked anything yet :P | 08:37 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: not according to the article I read | 08:37 |
| johnx | SwedeMike, interested in that article :) | 08:38 |
| SwedeMike | http://www.meegosweden.com/alla-bloggar/sandman-bloggar/153-oeverklocka-din-n900-och-fa-baettre-batteri-pa-koepet but it's in swedish, there might be some references and you might be able to google some on the commands in there to find the original one | 08:39 |
| SwedeMike | http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/04/how-to-overclock-the-nokia-n900/ | 08:40 |
| rafaelbrandao | hey johnx, do you think my approach to manually put the lib files on the right folders on the device would be enough to get things working? | 08:40 |
| kerio | rafaelbrandao: sure | 08:41 |
| Termana | johnx - you have your trolling cap on? | 08:41 |
| kerio | i put on my robe and trolling hat! | 08:42 |
| SwedeMike | btw, do we believe Nokia will release any major update after PR1.2, or is it all Meego now? | 08:42 |
| kerio | they said they're not going to release a stable meego for the n900 | 08:42 |
| kerio | so... who knows | 08:43 |
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| Termana | kerio, where did you get that? | 08:43 |
| kerio | i read about it somewhere, don't remember when | 08:43 |
| petteri | there will be more updates | 08:43 |
| kerio | they could've changed their mind though | 08:43 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: yes, I've read that as well, so question is if development for Maemo is pretty much stopped now and only bugfixes will be released. | 08:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Given the state of the meego UX ATM - it seems highly unlikely it's going to be stable and polished in the next - say - 4 months | 08:43 |
| Termana | kerio, there is a stable release coming for the n900. | 08:43 |
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| kerio | ok, power kernel installed | 08:44 |
| Termana | *cringe* Every time someone tries to overclock, the GNU gods kill a kitten. | 08:44 |
| kerio | i'm not overclocking! | 08:45 |
| kerio | yet | 08:45 |
| Termana | Think about the kittens before you do | 08:45 |
| kerio | and it's not my fault that robot unicorn attack is laggy | 08:45 |
| kerio | stupid flash | 08:45 |
| kerio | and hey, they're called "ideal" settings! | 08:46 |
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| johnx | rafaelbrandao, not without also manually modifying that (and other) scripts | 08:48 |
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| johnx | Termana, not really. probably just my sarcasm hat | 08:49 |
| rafaelbrandao | hm, I'm trying to figure out how to get the c compiled program from that. | 08:49 |
| johnx | bash script doesn't change into C :) | 08:49 |
| rafaelbrandao | hm, oh my. x_x | 08:50 |
| johnx | so I suggest you start with the debian source package, but even that might not be enough if that script relies on bash or GNU sed | 08:50 |
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| johnx | I guess, the real question is: How much more effort would you be willing to put into this? and, how much are you up for learning? | 08:51 |
| kerio | hmm, microB is not feeling any faster | 08:52 |
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| johnx | huh, actually what would be cool for an overclock would be to tie it to the camera button | 08:53 |
| SwedeMike | I just used http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=774 with "ideal" and allowed it to go down to 125MHz | 08:54 |
| johnx | bring back the turbo button :D | 08:54 |
| SwedeMike | we'll see if I get better battery usage | 08:54 |
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| rafaelbrandao | "The enroll program cannot be directly executed until all the libtool libraries that it depends on are installed." | 08:56 |
| johnx | ah, good start then | 08:56 |
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| johnx | you'll need to run make install | 08:56 |
| rafaelbrandao | that's what the enroll file says. and there's a enroll.c on the same folder. so I hope there's a way to get it without the script. | 08:56 |
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| Macer | SwedeMike: i tried that | 08:58 |
| Macer | doesnt work ;) | 08:58 |
| SwedeMike | Macer: it doesn't improve anything? | 08:58 |
| Macer | not really | 08:59 |
| Macer | i tried all types of settings | 08:59 |
| Macer | ondemand has the best trade off | 08:59 |
| kerio | what's ondemand? | 08:59 |
| Macer | conservative settings saves almost nothing and just slows you down | 08:59 |
| Macer | cpu setting | 09:00 |
| Macer | goes straight to max speed and steps down as required | 09:01 |
| Macer | conservative starts slow and goes faster as needed | 09:01 |
| Macer | i tried conservative and sert the stepping lower SwedeMike | 09:01 |
| rafaelbrandao | johnx, I've did it to install this lib, imagemagick and libusb-1.0 (on scratchbox) | 09:01 |
| Macer | it was no help tbh | 09:02 |
| SwedeMike | well, I'm running ideal with 125/250MHz enabled now, we'll see. | 09:02 |
| Macer | seemed to take forever to get going on it again so you lose too much speed and wind up spending that extra "saved" power | 09:02 |
| johnx | rafaelbrandao, so find out where enroll got installed to and take that copy | 09:02 |
| rafaelbrandao | and when I've run the bash script, it 'worked', unless a few ioctl errors but I've been told I should try on the real device because scratchbox can't simulate it | 09:02 |
| Macer | waiting for it to do something | 09:02 |
| johnx | when you run file on that copy of enroll it should call it an ELF executable | 09:02 |
| SwedeMike | my problem isn't really speed, it's that I want longer battery life. | 09:03 |
| Macer | SwedeMike: buy a bigger battery ;) | 09:03 |
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| SwedeMike | Macer: well, I have 4 batteries now... :P 2 is really enough, but since they're so cheap I bought 2 more. | 09:03 |
| Macer | haha | 09:03 |
| Surfa | SwedeMike, but the speed may become a problem if you put the freq down | 09:04 |
| Macer | dont they have some outrageously oversized one? | 09:04 |
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| Macer | i know someone was talking about it earlier | 09:04 |
| SwedeMike | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22691 <- USD3.67 with free shipping for battery. | 09:04 |
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| SwedeMike | so I didn't bother with some expensive larger one, that made the phone even thicker | 09:05 |
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| SwedeMike | they also have a nice table charger for charging the batteries after replacement, so I don't have to reboot because I want to charge | 09:12 |
| johnx | and it might not even set your house on fire. woo! | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 125MHz is instable. And it doesn't save you any battery, as speed-to-idle still seems to be best energy saving strategy | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | thw whole undervolting thing is largely nonsense on SmartReflex | 09:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Assuming that smartreflex is optimally tuned for the chip | 09:39 |
| SpeedEvil | also - isn't it disabled? | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least in it's N900-flavour. SmartReflex enabled is about dynamic adjustment of optimum regulator voltages, but on N900 it's again what? guess! right - it's instable | 09:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/SmartReflex/This part of smartreflex bunch of functions | 09:40 |
| rafaelbrandao | I've got to go now, but I want to thank for all the help today. have a great evening! | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's also SR-hardware in CPU, which does a voltage regulation on very fine granularity/small function blocks. So twiddling with the main regulators *might* safe you some energy but nothing beyond that, and only if it worked with SmartReflex enabled | 09:42 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Goor morning vietnam! | 09:44 |
| D-Iivili_Work | -r +d | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it does *not* work, you bet TI&Nokia put in some effort to find the best setting guaranteeing a stable operation on minimum possible power consumption - ergo nothing to augment or fix or do/know better than Nokia there | 09:44 |
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| TigerTael | I concur | 09:45 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Fuck fuck fuckedi fuck. Why does killing hildon-home makes all python widgets disappear? And what does the OS exactly do when you change theme from the menu where you select themes? | 09:46 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Well, they won't disappear every time, just like 6/10 times. | 09:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Assuming there is no part-part variability that is not exploited | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure there is. There's always some headroom you could exploit, but it'sincredibly hard for an individual to make the limits of this safe headroom visible, and usually this headroom also isn't worth all the effort you'd need to put in rsp all the risk of segfaulting programs you need to take | 09:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | as e.g all the SmartReflex probably will save you some 5% of battery life | 09:51 |
| SpeedEvil | or silent data corruption | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prefer 47.5h of stable operation to 50h of gambling | 09:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 125 may also save power in some usecases. | 09:52 |
| SpeedEvil | mp3 or gps for example | 09:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or babyphone | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but it's very well known to crash | 09:53 |
| dotblank | So i'm thinking about redesigning the ui for Groove | 09:53 |
| dotblank | like all of it | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all the 'tests' done so far by users were resulting in *increased* power consumption *at best* | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, if those 'specialists' invested same amount of effort in just optimizing a single one of their frequently used _apps_ wrt code efficiency and low IRQ freq, they had earned a magnitude better results on conserving power, than with all that underclocking/undervolting/enable_SmartReflex messing around | 09:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cya, bbl | 09:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 09:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The core powersaving is damn awesome. | 09:58 |
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| SwedeMike | when Nokia said the N900 has "up to 172h of standby" I wonder if they killed off all applications and put the CPU in idle 99.9% of the time and "never" polled the phone part. | 10:00 |
| D-Iivili_Work | SwedeMike, or they have taken out the battery ;) | 10:02 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And after 172h the battery has discharged itself :P | 10:02 |
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| ml-mobile | most max idle time is derived from unrealistic usage cases, especially for smartphones | 10:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: 172h is around right, for wifi off, and everything just right, with it in an excellent signal area, and not roaming. | 10:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I've hit ~120 or so. | 10:04 |
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| frals | yeah 5d with it completly idle with sim card in is no problem for me | 10:05 |
| frals | or rather, it wasnt back in sweden where we have decent gsm infra ;D | 10:05 |
| ml-mobile | but then, that's no fun, either | 10:05 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: I've never even seen close to 48 hours, even if it's doing nothing | 10:05 |
| frals | then one of your apps is probably mishaving | 10:06 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: Someting is differing between your usecase, and my tests then. | 10:06 |
| SpeedEvil | powertop is a good plan. | 10:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should really be in C4 state for most of the time, with an average residency in that state of around a second | 10:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | C0 | 0.2% | | 600 MHz | 0.0% | | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | C1 | 0.0% | 0.2ms | 550 MHz | 0.0% | | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | C2 | 0.5% | 6.3ms | 500 MHz | 0.0% | | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | C3 | 3.0% | 182.4ms | 250 MHz | 100.0% | | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | C4 | 96.2% | 1804.9ms | | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | for example | 10:08 |
| SpeedEvil | spending around 2s each time in the deepest sleep state, and only atually running at 250MHz for 0.2% of the time | 10:09 |
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| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: what command did you use for that output? | 10:13 |
| SwedeMike | oh, powertop | 10:13 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ | 10:13 |
| SwedeMike | I already had it installed it seems | 10:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 10:14 |
| SpeedEvil | stop BME, and kill hald-addon-bme - and it drops from 12.7 wakeups/s to 6 | 10:15 |
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| SwedeMike | mine spent most of the time in C3 | 10:15 |
| SwedeMike | 62.3% | 10:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - that's bad - somethings keeping it awake | 10:16 |
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| SwedeMike | going to try it again, but lock the screen before it starts | 10:16 |
| SpeedEvil | pastebin the first dozen lines of PID# | Activity | Name | Function Entry (Expire) | 10:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 10:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - that's required | 10:16 |
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| SwedeMike | now it spent 75% in C4, 16.2 in C3, 7.6% in C2 and 1.3% in C0 | 10:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | That is still a bit high. | 10:20 |
| SwedeMike | the top three are the tick_nohz_restart with 155 activities, cpufreq_govenor at 53 and hildon at 30 | 10:20 |
| SwedeMike | 1331 wakeups | 10:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to properly write up a 'So - my application/n900 is using too much power' page. | 10:20 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: that would be extremely helpful. | 10:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - the first 2 are largely bogus as I understand it. | 10:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Those only happen when other stuff is going on. | 10:21 |
| SpeedEvil | hildon-desktop? | 10:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 10:25 |
| frals | pythonstuff on the desktop might do bad stuff | 10:25 |
| SpeedEvil | stop dsme doens't on reflection - unsurprisingly - work so well. | 10:26 |
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| ds3 | tip #1, while(1); is a good way to save power ;) | 10:27 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 10:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I also need to properly measure how expensive a wakeup from C4 to C0 and back is. | 10:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, PING | 10:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Or someone else who knows something about repos | 10:29 |
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| HtheB | o/ | 10:31 |
| HtheB | morning everybody | 10:31 |
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| HtheB | . . . | 10:31 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: yes, hildon-desktopp schedulehrtimeout_range | 10:32 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Morning | 10:32 |
| HtheB | whats up | 10:32 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Nothing, just chilling | 10:32 |
| HtheB | nice | 10:32 |
| HtheB | wish i could chill too | 10:32 |
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| HtheB | :( | 10:32 |
| HtheB | I have an exam | 10:32 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And trying to survive the massive headache I'm having. | 10:32 |
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| HtheB | after 50minutes | 10:33 |
| HtheB | did u take an aspirine yet? | 10:33 |
| D-Iivili_Work | HtheB, just relax. It won't go any better if you stress out... you know. | 10:33 |
| D-Iivili_Work | HtheB, sure. Couple of painkillers, but they won't do the trick. I always have a HUGE headache if I haven't slept enough. | 10:33 |
| HtheB | D-ivil, yeah.... | 10:33 |
| HtheB | ah | 10:33 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: I am unsure - it doesn't normally do that. | 10:33 |
| HtheB | I get | 10:34 |
| HtheB | but my exam is about Vectors | 10:34 |
| HtheB | man I'm totally noob about this | 10:34 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Dunno if it's migrane or something, but it feels like there's an army of blacksmiths in my head doing their job :D | 10:34 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: I have occasionally seen it do that - recently I straced it - and found it reading /proc/loadavg every second - which confused - as it shouldn't do that | 10:34 |
| SpeedEvil | And indeed doesn't usually | 10:34 |
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| HtheB | does anyone knows some stuff about vectors and matrixes? | 10:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Could someone explain what | 10:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | up | 10:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | s | 10:35 |
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| TigerTael | Oh, Powertop is back? | 10:35 |
| * D-Iivili_Work is typoing | 10:35 | |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Could someone please explain me WHY ON EARTH does browsing packages @ maemo-extras (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/) show package description from package that's on extras-devel? | 10:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | What's the logic behind that? | 10:36 |
| HtheB | for noobs | 10:37 |
| HtheB | :p | 10:37 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I've made huge changes to package that's currently @ extras-devel and it's description is shown at the maemo downloads page which currently has older version which does not have half of the features compared to devel one. | 10:37 |
| HtheB | lol | 10:37 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And ofcourse I have written stuff about those features in package description. Didn't know that the new description is automaticly imported to extras-version also... | 10:37 |
| frals | because package description != changelog/featurelist? :) | 10:38 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | frals, but shouldn't that be taken from the current_version_of_the_package? | 10:38 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | I mean if there's a version 1.0 at the extras and version 6.0 at devel then the description @ extras should be from version 1.0 and so on... | 10:39 |
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| TigerTael | Umm, I installed powertop 1.2 right, but when I run from the console it says 1.13. Is this right? | 10:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 10:40 |
| frals | yeah, and the edit function shouldnt be overwritten ever 30min by package importer on /downloads/, but afaiu x-fade is working on the manual edit at least :) | 10:40 |
| D-Iivili_Work | powertop segfaults for me. | 10:40 |
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| TigerTael | D-Iivili_Work, yeah I had that too. | 10:40 |
| TigerTael | sh: status: not found | 10:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | frals, oh, that's why my manual edits keeps disappearing constantly :D | 10:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | There might be few people who are confused when the package description @ extras says that package includes this and that and when they install the package they cannot find those features :D | 10:41 |
| frals | yeah, was doing my head in until someone explained its being overwritten by the importer | 10:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Oh shit... | 10:42 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Well, luckily new version @ extras-testing has already enough votes and it should be promotable in few days. | 10:42 |
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| sobczyk | hi, is there a maemo bluetooth chat program? (spp profile) | 10:43 |
| sobczyk | or serial terminal | 10:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | offtopic: probably the best heavy metal music video ever made in the history of heavy metal videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9mlqbG5CU | 10:43 |
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| HtheB | man I'm pwned :( | 10:44 |
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| pronto | how so? | 10:44 |
| HtheB | :'( | 10:45 |
| HtheB | lol | 10:45 |
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| HtheB | man I'm pwned.... | 10:46 |
| pronto | again? | 10:46 |
| D-Iivili_Work | seems like your network connection was pwned :P | 10:46 |
| HtheB | hahaha | 10:47 |
| HtheB | yeah | 10:47 |
| HtheB | stupid T-Mobile | 10:47 |
| HtheB | those vector stuff is going to kill me | 10:48 |
| HtheB | >.< | 10:48 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I suggest you get yourself drunk HtheB so it won't stress you and the exam will go just fine :) You'll be more creative you know ;) | 10:48 |
| HtheB | hhahaha | 10:48 |
| HtheB | well | 10:48 |
| HtheB | wanna see what the exam is about? | 10:49 |
| HtheB | xD | 10:49 |
| D-Iivili_Work | HtheB, you already told it was about vectors and stuff, so it's completely out of my range already. Don't have to see it in more details :P | 10:49 |
| pronto | do some cocaine | 10:49 |
| HtheB | ahaha | 10:49 |
| * D-Iivili_Work always skipped math lessons in highschool | 10:50 | |
| HtheB | :D | 10:50 |
| D-Iivili_Work | but somehow I survived the exams with the basic knowledge I had :P :D | 10:50 |
| HtheB | hehhee | 10:51 |
| HtheB | well | 10:51 |
| johnx | ugh. math. ugh | 10:51 |
| HtheB | got 30 minutes left | 10:51 |
| D-Iivili_Work | HtheB, still plenty of time to get drunk | 10:52 |
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| talonz | anyone got any suggestion on a good pair of in-ear headphones | 11:00 |
| talonz | i know theres probably not one with an inline mic but if there is a pair that supports the n900 would be awesome :D | 11:00 |
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| johnx | ahaaha. someone gave me a pair of their barely used ipod headphones and I've just been using those when I don't have my big BT headphones on | 11:02 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, I have used Shure's SLC5 in-ears since they came out. Very happy with those. | 11:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Ofcrouse with custom fittings made for my ears. | 11:04 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: tell him the price as well ;) | 11:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Works fine on and off the stage. | 11:04 |
| talonz | cheers D-Iivili_Work i been looking at shure just now | 11:04 |
| talonz | i got a 300 dollar budget so anything over that is out my league :S | 11:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun starting from like ~350 dollars | 11:05 |
| D-Iivili_Work | so not that bad | 11:05 |
| talonz | yeah i think ill get shot if i go over my budget ;p | 11:05 |
| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, then look at SCL3 or SCL4 | 11:05 |
| Macer | spam fail: | 11:06 |
| Macer | My late Client has deposit of Eighteen Million Dollars ( US$19 Million Dollars) left behind. | 11:06 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But if you're huge bass fan then they are not for you I think. They are very neutral sounding. | 11:06 |
| pupnik | are you a huge bass fan D-Iivili_Work ? | 11:07 |
| mikki-kun | Macer: muhaha, somebody can't either read or count :D | 11:07 |
| pupnik | do you like fishsticks? | 11:07 |
| D-Iivili_Work | pupnik, noup. I prefer neutral sound and capability to produce clear sound with high volumes. | 11:07 |
| pupnik | good answer | 11:08 |
| D-Iivili_Work | My fittings are only -15db since I like to hear what's happening around me and on-stage I need lot's of volume :P | 11:08 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: did you have some "over the ear" type headphones as well which you think sound good? | 11:08 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, never owned any of those. | 11:09 |
| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, you should also look at Shure's SE-serie. They are more like for "basic users" and multimedia type in-ears. | 11:09 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, ok... cause i was looking for some which i'd monitor and then maybe buy this years christmas for myself... then i am done with the first semester :D | 11:10 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Ontopic: someone please tell me how to disable automatic application manager update checking? | 11:16 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I don't want it to automaticly scann for updated frequently. I prefer doing that manually when I want ot. | 11:16 |
| D-Iivili_Work | ot => to | 11:16 |
| talonz | dont think there is a setting | 11:16 |
| talonz | thanks for the help with the headphones btw D-Iivili_Work | 11:17 |
| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, no, there's not setting for it, but there must be way to manually disable it somewhere? | 11:17 |
| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, np. But ofcrouse those kind of things such headphones are always matter of personal taste on some level. | 11:17 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | talonz, and when talking about in-ears it might that even if the sound is great they might not be suitable for your ears physichally... | 11:18 |
| talonz | im not a big fan of overly loud bass either D-Iivili_Work i prefer crystal clear studio quality | 11:19 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | talenz, then forget the Shure's SE-serie. I've tested the SE310 and they vere like made for disco-kings :P | 11:19 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But there might be good alternatives from other manufacturers also. I have endorsment deal with Shure so I haven't tried others lately :-P | 11:20 |
| ZogG | i'm disko king | 11:20 |
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| talonz | D-Iivili_Work, u could possibly find the options for updates under /etc | 11:21 |
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| chem|st | talonz: fail | 11:23 |
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| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: its gconf setting default is something of 24h, time interval is set in minutes | 11:23 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, can it be changed? If it could be set to like 300 days then it would do the trick :P | 11:24 |
| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: sure like any gconf entry | 11:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Coz it seems like there's even no way to cancel the update process. | 11:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And I'm currently on low speed connection and that update checking is basically killing the whole internet when it's doing it's job. | 11:25 |
| chem|st | a friend recognized it to download +5MB each morning while he is on dataplan | 11:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, can I see list of gconf's somehow? | 11:25 |
| chem|st | one second | 11:25 |
| chem|st | I look it up | 11:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | thx | 11:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | gconf-editor? | 11:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning #maemo | 11:40 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Morning MohammadAG51 | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | o/ D-Iivili_Work | 11:44 |
| D-Iivili_Work | coffee + smoke => | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | new theme name? | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | :p | 11:45 |
| johnx | coffee + smoke = burning coffee? | 11:45 |
| johnx | where there's smoke there's ... coffee? | 11:45 |
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| Corsac | coffee without smoke... means coffee's cold? | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | burning coffee sounds good, bright and dark brown with a creamy look | 11:47 |
| chem|st | Corsac: nice try... it means you forgot your lighter! | 11:48 |
| Coke | I just upgraded Maemo and installed dropbear server and client package (since I couldnt find OpenSSH in the repos any more) and now I'm missing the client ssh command | 11:48 |
| mikki-kun | morning MohammadAG51 :) | 11:48 |
| Coke | How do I use dropbear?? | 11:48 |
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| Coke | The only command i have is dropbearkey | 11:48 |
| Coke | Nor does it use the ssh keys to auth me | 11:49 |
| Coke | Can I get OpenSSH back please? :) | 11:49 |
| mikki-kun | Coke: hm, did you doublecheck OpenSSH isn't there anymore? from what i see it got installed a few moments ago (flashed my device prior to that) | 11:50 |
| Coke | mikki-kun: there's no SSH command | 11:50 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Coke, http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh/ | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | Coke: an SSH command? | 11:51 |
| Coke | Oh | 11:51 |
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| Coke | It's case sensitive in the search? | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | Coke: that's only if you've installed the SSH client, not server | 11:51 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Yep | 11:51 |
| Coke | Searching for "ssh" only yields dropbear | 11:51 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Coke, and only searches with the package name, not the "fancy name" defined in control -file | 11:51 |
| mikki-kun | Coke: the new search is kinda buggy | 11:51 |
| Coke | well then, screw that dropbear crap, I found OpenSSH by searching for capital "SSH" | 11:51 |
| Coke | mikki-kun: no shit | 11:51 |
| mikki-kun | if you don't find it with searching try looking manually | 11:51 |
| Coke | WHy is it buggy? | 11:51 |
| Nadley | hi everybody | 11:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning mikki-kun | 11:52 |
| Coke | mikki-kun: how and why is it buggy? | 11:52 |
| Macer | Coke: because the devs are working on meego | 11:53 |
| Macer | :) | 11:53 |
| mikki-kun | Coke: don't know how it came to this, but most probably nokia thought the implemented search is way cooler... but they forgot editing the search-function to case insensitive and also searching for substrings what i experienced and read until now | 11:53 |
| mikki-kun | Macer: saw the demo of meego... didn't like it | 11:53 |
| Coke | How can a search algorithm there be cool or not? | 11:53 |
| Coke | It's implemented in the underlying apt, is it not? | 11:53 |
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| mikki-kun | Coke: before pr 1.2 you had to search manually via "topbar --> search" | 11:54 |
| Coke | Also, this type of search has been available since 1972 or so when someone wrote the first infant version of grep | 11:54 |
| Coke | Why make it fancy? | 11:54 |
| mikki-kun | now you can search while inside of the subcategories by just typing | 11:54 |
| Coke | mikki-kun: allright | 11:54 |
| Coke | Well, i got ssh up and running anyway | 11:54 |
| mirf | wiooooooooooot | 11:54 |
| mikki-kun | that's the important part ^^ | 11:54 |
| Macer | mikki-kun: well. i doubt meego will work on an n900 | 11:55 |
| mirf | now you can install apps at work and nobody will know | 11:55 |
| Coke | The update looks really nice, but I think I might go MeeGo soon | 11:55 |
| Macer | nokia wants to be intel whores | 11:55 |
| Coke | Macer: nah | 11:55 |
| mikki-kun | Macer: meego was demonstrated running on the n900 ;) | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | right, going to experiment more with ubuntu on the N900 | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | brb | 11:55 |
| Macer | lies! | 11:55 |
| Coke | Macer: it's perfect, nokia does the arm port of meego | 11:55 |
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| mirf | ubuntu! | 11:55 |
| Macer | haha | 11:55 |
| mirf | wtf | 11:55 |
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| mikki-kun | ubuntu? i'll rather use debian... | 11:55 |
| Macer | Coke: really? that was unexpected | 11:56 |
| mirf | me too | 11:56 |
| mirf | but I was thinking why?! | 11:56 |
| mikki-kun | would love to get gentoo running on the n900 though :o | 11:56 |
| mirf | I guess it might be OK using TV out | 11:56 |
| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: gconftool -s --type=int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 500000 | 11:56 |
| mirf | but on that tiny screen | 11:56 |
| mirf | owch | 11:56 |
| Macer | does it do portrait? | 11:56 |
| Macer | :) | 11:56 |
| * Macer hides | 11:56 | |
| mirf | I guess you can configure x11 however you want | 11:56 |
| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: took me a while to remember that it was just the notifier | 11:56 |
| mirf | yeah I wish n900 did portrait nicely | 11:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, cool! Is the value given at the end in minutes or sencods? | 11:56 |
| Macer | mirf: 640K is enough | 11:57 |
| Macer | :) | 11:57 |
| Macer | devs sticking to the past | 11:57 |
| mikki-kun | lol XD | 11:57 |
| mirf | 2 handed use sucks when you just want to grab your phone and check your text or whatever | 11:57 |
| mirf | 640k? | 11:57 |
| Macer | trying to pretend the n900 isnt a phone | 11:57 |
| Macer | :) | 11:57 |
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| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: thats line is exactly for you! its minutes and 500k minutes is about a 300 days | 11:57 |
| mirf | the phone aspect was an after thought | 11:57 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, thanks in million times! | 11:58 |
| Macer | mirf: maybe. but it is what it is | 11:58 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: just don't forget to run that every time you flash ;) | 11:58 |
| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: now get me the smoking coffee theme pls ;) | 11:58 |
| Macer | it is a phone... need to deal with reality | 11:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, working on it already :P | 11:58 |
| mikki-kun | chem|st: btw, thanks for that as well :) i'll use that one as well :) | 11:58 |
| Macer | im sure someone will have android running on it... i love maemo tho | 11:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | (not really, this headache is killing me still, can't focus on anything creative :P) | 11:58 |
| chem|st | i put it in my wiki... | 11:58 |
| Macer | i just wish some things acted more like a phone | 11:59 |
| Coke | omgosh remote X is slow | 11:59 |
| mikki-kun | Macer: froyo could have a big chance on getting propely ported to the n900 | 11:59 |
| Macer | Coke: xforwarding seemed to work pretty good for me | 11:59 |
| mirf | android does run already | 11:59 |
| Coke | Macer: it's taking for ever | 12:00 |
| Macer | not too bad at least | 12:00 |
| Macer | over 3G it does | 12:00 |
| Coke | clicking drop downs doesnt work | 12:00 |
| Macer | but you cant expect to run ff over 3G | 12:00 |
| mikki-kun | mirf: it kinda does, but i'd rate it a beta ;) many things are not working properly therefore "ported properly" ;) | 12:00 |
| Coke | Oh, I have to hold down for a while | 12:00 |
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| Coke | Hm. Might be Im not used to working with a touch interface | 12:00 |
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| Macer | it has high latency over ssh | 12:01 |
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| Macer | good night :) | 12:01 |
| mirf | mikki-kun: I see | 12:01 |
| mikki-kun | randomly flash crashed the device | 12:02 |
| mikki-kun | i mean the browser | 12:02 |
| chem|st | D-Iivili_Work: another idea is animal style, fur and leather | 12:02 |
| mikki-kun | and calling wasn't working, gps, charging the phone (jup, charging didn't seem to work ^^) and few other stuff... | 12:02 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, I already have like +5 requests on the to-do-list :D | 12:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, but I think I'm taking a little vacation on those. Or at least I try to :D | 12:03 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: D-Iivili_Work I dont know if that starts a counter or so but setting it to 30000 should be fine | 12:03 |
| mikki-kun | chem|st: i would have set that to a week | 12:03 |
| chem|st | thats 20 days | 12:03 |
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| chem|st | I dot get why there is no true/false switch for the notifier | 12:04 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, how come, that by copying stuff from the microSD to emmc and vice versa the cpu is stressed like a gazillion times more than it can handle? | 12:06 |
| Termana | chem|st, you . know? | 12:06 |
| Termana | :P | 12:06 |
| chem|st | Termana: don't start on me pls | 12:06 |
| chem|st | I missed two keys or my kbd is broken again | 12:07 |
| chem|st | but yes I . know | 12:07 |
| chem|st | 10Q | 12:07 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: there is no direct write | 12:08 |
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| mikki-kun | hu? how do you mean? | 12:09 |
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| mikki-kun | direct write meaning it doesn't change it's physical source? | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, hmm, debian eh? should start on that :p | 12:10 |
| ZogG | morning pals | 12:10 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: isn't there already easydebian for the n900? | 12:10 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, hey | 12:10 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG: morning... how's your head? | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, it's a chroot, which is, imo, quite slow | 12:10 |
| ZogG | yopu didn't answer if you got ears | 12:10 |
| ZogG | headphones | 12:11 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you want to make a running port of debian? | 12:11 |
| Nadley | I have a question : is it possible to use skype on maemo but whitout loading all my skype contact on cellphone contact because it is a big mess | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, might start on it once I finish this one | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu | 12:11 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hm, if porting gentoo isn't too hard maybe i could try starting doing that | 12:12 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: everything is using the cpu as there is no path around it (direct way) | 12:12 |
| ZogG | mikki-kun, it was awesome - except my stupid roomate that started to wake me up hour earlier(we had to go see the apartment) cause some p*ss should came to him later and he wanted to do it so f***ing early =( | 12:12 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, gentoo would f*** the CPU of the N900 at each installation, not really worth it | 12:12 |
| chem|st | copying stuff to the device makes it freeze | 12:12 |
| * ZogG is downloading new futurama with eyephone | 12:12 | |
| mikki-kun | ZogG: ouch >.< that is dumb | 12:12 |
| ZogG | mikki-kun, he was trying to wake me for an hour but i was strong | 12:13 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you can use precompiled binaries on gentoo as well ;) just not sure if arm has them | 12:13 |
| ZogG | mikki-kun, i hate guys that run after p*ssies | 12:13 |
| chem|st | ZogG: hey I like me cat! | 12:13 |
| mikki-kun | i have two... | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 12:14 |
| mikki-kun | mahhh, freaking mosquito >.< | 12:14 |
| chem|st | my boss asked me to learn delphi and resurect a 70k lines codebase... | 12:15 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: and by utilizing a few N900's (round 1000 ^^) and doing a distcc stuff should be compiling pretty fast and the binaries which are produced can be uploaded and then installed | 12:16 |
| johnx | chem|st, anything in your contract that says you're not responsible for consequences of resurrecting zombie code bases? | 12:16 |
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| johnx | mikki-kun, actually, what you probably want to do is distcc onto a cross gcc that runs on your desktop | 12:16 |
| chem|st | actualy there is one sentence keeping me off charger for anything like that! | 12:16 |
| mikki-kun | chem|st: give it to me... i'll give it a fatal error after another *memories coming up* ^^ | 12:16 |
| timeless | delphi is easy to learn | 12:16 |
| timeless | fun to use | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, wouldn't a qemu be faster lol | 12:17 |
| mirf | anyone got php on maemo yet? | 12:17 |
| chem|st | timeless: 70k lines!!! | 12:17 |
| mirf | delphi is not fun to use | 12:17 |
| mirf | take th at back | 12:17 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: don't know.. haven't tried and won't ^^ | 12:18 |
| mece | hello maemonians | 12:18 |
| * johnx sleeps | 12:18 | |
| mikki-kun | but uhm, can you have ubuntu and maemo running at the same time on your n900? | 12:18 |
| chem|st | mece: you are forcing it | 12:18 |
| Termana | mikki-kun, you can "have them running at the same time", with a chroot | 12:18 |
| mece | chem|st, yeah, but in a friendly manner | 12:18 |
| chem|st | mikki-kun: just like any other linux 32bit arm based os | 12:19 |
| chem|st | mece: ;) want some of my code? | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | I like to share closed source *cough* | 12:19 |
| mece | chem|st, code, huh? | 12:19 |
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| redeeman | have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? | 12:20 |
| chem|st | 70k lines of delphi hit me last week's thursday | 12:20 |
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| MohammadAG | redeeman, I think no one even tried that | 12:20 |
| redeeman | some did | 12:20 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, data connection work when directly booting Ubuntu? | 12:21 |
| mece | chem|st, ugh.. I feel for you. | 12:21 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, obviously not :) | 12:21 |
| chem|st | mece: ty | 12:21 |
| mece | chem|st, what should you be doing with said 70k lines? | 12:21 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, idk any apps that would even allow phone calls | 12:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if telepathy-ring would run on ubuntu | 12:21 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, not interested in phone calls. More interested in purely the data connection | 12:22 |
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| chem|st | mece: resurrecting in 3 month, corporate identitying in 6, extend in 12 | 12:22 |
| Termana | What is the reason again for the modem not working on anything but Maemo yet? | 12:23 |
| ZogG | chem|st i have a turtle | 12:23 |
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| chem|st | Termana: driver | 12:23 |
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| chem|st | ZogG: I am a turtle | 12:23 |
| ZogG | chem|st, and i hate it =) | 12:23 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, wouldn't that be easily rip-able from maemo? | 12:23 |
| * ZogG mp> futurama.s06e03.hdtv.xvid-fqm.avi [624x352 XVID 23.976fps] | 12:23 | |
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| MohammadAG | especially on OSs like debian based ones | 12:24 |
| Termana | chem|st, isn't there an oFono userspace driver? | 12:24 |
| chem|st | I thought the meego 1.1 got it?! | 12:24 |
| Termana | I'm not sure weather oFono handles the data connection or not though | 12:24 |
| Termana | chem|st, I think the meego-arm n900 team said they were still working on the modem | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | what's the driver used in maemo anyways? | 12:26 |
| chem|st | Termana: ah, thought they be ready within the week | 12:26 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG: isi, nokia's own binary cellular modem protocol | 12:26 |
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| MohammadAG | Robot101, where is it stored? | 12:27 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, I think its a closed source userspace driver, with a closed source telephony component. | 12:27 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, other than that, theres the kernel phonet driver | 12:27 |
| MohammadAG | so what? closed drivers can run on ubuntu | 12:27 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, same kernel, so I guess it's already there | 12:27 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG: on N900, the closed csd daemon talks over the kernel phonet interface to the modem chip over a high speed serial link | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: ripping the driver requires the same kernel, and same dependencies (libc, mainly), which kinda limits a whole lot of things | 12:28 |
| Robot101 | phonet is open source and upstream - what's missing is csd, but that has it's own dbus interface, not ofono's | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'm already using the same kernel for ubuntu | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: also, using the binary in other software is illegal, as far as I can tell | 12:28 |
| Robot101 | so you can put csd there and nothing will run on top of it... | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, who cares? users can copy it over after installation | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | well, some people still care about legality and such | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, same with /lib/firmware files | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, it would be legal | 12:29 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG: its useless thnough, nothing else on the system would know how to talk to it | 12:29 |
| Termana | Robot101, so basically a new kernel driver has to be written to work with ofono? | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | I doubt so, but it's up for debate | 12:29 |
| Robot101 | Termana: not kernel, an isi driver for ofono - which is being written | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | <Robot101> MohammadAG: its useless thnough, nothing else on the system would know how to talk to it | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | can't see any reason why if the same packages from ubuntu are installed | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | s/ubuntu/maemo | 12:30 |
| Robot101 | which packages?! | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | well, if you're going to run the same software, kernel and drivers, why bother installing another OS? | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | telepathy-ring which should be able to talk to it | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, cause I can? | 12:31 |
| Robot101 | conic, hildon desktop, call ui, telepathy ring, the connectivity ui and control panel and oh god why not just run maemo?! :P | 12:31 |
| crashanddie | you have way too much time on your hands, mo ;) | 12:31 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, couldn't have said it better myself :p | 12:32 |
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| MohammadAG | Robot101, hildon-desktop? nah, too slow | 12:32 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: also, your hormones are bubbling, no need to be aggressive | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | LOL i'm not aggressive | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | MohammadAG: you need it to run the call ui and such... | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | yeah seriously, usefulness fail. the open source tp-ring doesn't have the csd code any more | 12:32 |
| Nadley | is there good tools to sync contact with funambol google or other to make backup ? | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: install syncevolution | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | anyway, need to bring the car to the garage | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I can put it better | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | Robot101, the call UI can start up without hildon-desktop :) | 12:33 |
| Robot101 | and have no menus? | 12:33 |
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| Nadley | Robot101: ok but I need evolution ? | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: your cognitive surplus is nearing the treshold of featured skilledmanship. | 12:33 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: no its just confusingly namea | 12:33 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, why not do this - start up the data connection in Maemo, chroot to Ubuntu rootfs, start GNOME up, kill hildon-desktop | 12:33 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: *named | 12:33 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: its just a syncml client | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, deps too fuc**d up | 12:34 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, ??? | 12:34 |
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| Robot101 | Nadley: so you can sync your N900 to funambol | 12:34 |
| Nadley | ok where can I find it ? | 12:34 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, Profit! | 12:34 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 12:34 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: maemo extras | 12:34 |
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| Nadley | ok I'll look for it. | 12:35 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, dependencies? Hmm - expand on exactly what you mean. I see no problem arising from doing that | 12:36 |
| Termana | you could even leave hildon-desktop going | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, nevermind, thought you wanted a desktop replacement | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, qole already did the chroot stuff, why do it again? | 12:37 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, yeah but isn't qoles Debian? :P | 12:37 |
| Termana | qole's* | 12:37 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: cause you can? ^^ | 12:37 |
| Termana | mikki-kun, zing! | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | lol! | 12:37 |
| Termana | turned it right back at him there didn't you :P | 12:37 |
| mikki-kun | Termana: just couldn't resist ;) | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | hahaha | 12:39 |
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| MohammadAG | tbh I wanted ubuntu as a backup shell, so if I f up maemo I could fix it without reflashing | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | then I kinda went into installing crap on it, which runs quite well | 12:39 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hm, wouldn't something smaller be enough reparing it? ;) | 12:40 |
| Nadley | Robot101: in extra-testing ? | 12:40 |
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| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, yes, as I said I started installing stuff on it to make a full distro on the N900 | 12:40 |
| kerio | is there a way to disable the status bar on x terminal? | 12:41 |
| Robot101 | Nadley: I dunno I turned all three on, I kinda ignored the distinction | 12:41 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, I guess you just have to wait for the meego-arm n900 guys to finish getting oFono stuff right for the data connection then | 12:41 |
| Termana | :P | 12:41 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hm, did you install mobile or desktop-versions of those apps? (when both available) | 12:41 |
| Nadley | ok ok Robot101 | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, I installed ubuntu-desktop and the netbook launcher | 12:42 |
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| MohammadAG | you can swap between both at login | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 12:42 |
| mikki-kun | kerio: status bar? the one on the top? | 12:42 |
| kerio | the one on the bottom | 12:42 |
| kerio | not the "status" bar | 12:42 |
| kerio | the... shortcut bar? i guess | 12:42 |
| mikki-kun | kerio: there was a command *searching* | 12:42 |
| mikki-kun | kerio: this one should hide it "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" | 12:43 |
| kerio | hmm... then i wouldn't have access to escape though | 12:43 |
| mikki-kun | and this one should show it again gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "true" | 12:44 |
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| mikki-kun | kerio: found here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=703632&postcount=63 ;) | 12:44 |
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| mikki-kun | lol... tabbing becomes a serious issue when you think you can tab everything with it XD | 12:46 |
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| mikki-kun | even words which are on your mind | 12:47 |
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| kerio | huh, apparently it's smart enough (or dumb enough) to make me see almost perfectly a 120x36 nethack game | 12:48 |
| kerio | even though i'm probably missing some columns | 12:48 |
| kerio | and i'm definetely missing some rows | 12:48 |
| kerio | does busybox run a .profile file of some sorts? | 12:49 |
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| mikki-kun | kerio: it has one | 12:51 |
| mikki-kun | ~/.profile <--- location | 12:51 |
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| kerio | i see | 12:51 |
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| mece | WOW I REALLY like the shape and size of that leaked nokia phone.. | 12:59 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, coffee theme almost ready :P | 12:59 |
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| mikki-kun | mece: which one? :D | 13:02 |
| mikki-kun | what was the path for the gnu-coreutils again? | 13:02 |
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| MohammadAG | /usr/bin/gnu | 13:03 |
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| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 13:07 |
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| kerio | so... i mapped tab and escape to the backspace key | 13:10 |
| kerio | are there any controindications in doing that? | 13:10 |
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| mikki-kun | ctrl backspace brings the dashboard | 13:10 |
| mikki-kun | the taskswitcher | 13:11 |
| kerio | nah, i'm using shift/fn/shift+fn | 13:11 |
| kerio | fn+backspace = tab | 13:11 |
| kerio | shift+fn+backspace = esc | 13:11 |
| kerio | not sure if esc works | 13:11 |
| kerio | but having tab as a "key" is useful | 13:11 |
| mikki-kun | ok, that shouldn't be a problem then with preexisting keycombos ;) | 13:12 |
| kerio | hold on, ctrl+bksp brings up the dashboard? | 13:13 |
| kerio | why do i need camkeyd then? | 13:13 |
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| mikki-kun | kerio: dunno ;) when your keyboard is closed i assume | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | cause some users don't want to slide open a keyboard | 13:14 |
| mikki-kun | i found that out as well after some time | 13:14 |
| mikki-kun | i love ctrl+backspace | 13:15 |
| kerio | huh, that's the only way i use it, so far | 13:15 |
| mikki-kun | makes multitasking way easier than searching for the camkey | 13:15 |
| kerio | the keyboard gives you an extra grip | 13:15 |
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| mikki-kun | i have the keyboard only closed when i am lying sideways on my bed and reading my RSS feeds before going to sleep | 13:18 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:33 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 13:37 |
| lardman | hi Andy80 | 13:37 |
| Jaffa | hi Andy80 | 13:38 |
| lardman | hey Jaffa, how's things? | 13:38 |
| Andy80 | If I'm packagin an application which version is (for example) 0.1.2, how can I add a build number like 0.1.2-1 ? I tried putting "Version: 0.1.2-1" in debian/control but it didn't help... any idea? | 13:38 |
| Andy80 | hey Jaffa :) | 13:38 |
| Andy80 | I'm having this problem because I cannot upload further "0.1.2" versions of my package in extras-devel, Autobuilder rejects them. | 13:40 |
| lardman | stick it in the changelog | 13:40 |
| lardman | that's where the version number is pulled from | 13:41 |
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| Andy80 | lardman: oh thanks you :) I try | 13:42 |
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| Andy80 | lardman: yes, it worked, thank you :) | 13:49 |
| lardman | good good :) | 13:49 |
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| Andy80 | pff... updating packages list on N900 takes me more than creating package, uploading to Autobuilder and waiting for it to be ready :\ | 13:50 |
| lardman | yes, that's true ;) | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | use apt-get or fapman | 13:50 |
| mikki-kun | Andy80: read some houra ago that the package list is something like 5MB | 13:50 |
| mikki-kun | *hours | 13:50 |
| lardman | Anyone tried FF 1.1? | 13:52 |
| lardman | is it quicker than 1.0? | 13:52 |
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| mece | fapman ftw! | 13:53 |
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| Andy80 | I'm using apt-get from terminal now, but my upgraded package is still not available... is there any delay between the email: "[fremantle]: msoma 0.1.2-1 OK" and its availability on extras-devel repository? | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG | imports are done @ :05 and :35 | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | wait 10 minutes before updating the repo lists | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | please help! pairing two N900, I *always* get the 'old' one (PR1.1.1) on the 'new' one (PR1.2) as "type:PC) - while the new one pairs to the old one as "type:Phone" | 13:55 |
| mece | I'd like to dual boot meego (whatever that newish june 30 version is). Is that done already? | 13:55 |
| Andy80 | okok, now now it's available :) | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | How would I possibly change type of device? | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | Update bluetooth firmware I suppose | 13:56 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: BT? | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:56 |
| lardman | depends what the cap flags are | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT - sorry forgot to mention | 13:56 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, sounds like the device itself is confused over weather its a phone or a mobile computer (PC). | 13:56 |
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| lardman | which means you'll probably need to dig into the compiled code | 13:56 |
| SwedeMike | lardman: I got a new firefox yesterday (think it's 1.1) but I haven't really noticed any difference | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: they are rather sure about their roles. The one insists in being a PC, while the other one insists in being a phone | 13:57 |
| lardman | SwedeMike: any good? Or stick with the built-in? | 13:57 |
| SwedeMike | lardman: hm, now that you say so, I got it mixed up. Let me try it. | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, could've been changed in PR1.2 | 13:57 |
| SwedeMike | lardman: I actually only tested the built in one after the upgrade | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I remember my PC detecting the N900 as a PC, now it doesn't | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the annoying background: I ca't synchronize or transmit/receive contacts/calendar etc | 13:58 |
| lardman | SwedeMike: the old version of FF was slow and large, so just wondering | 13:58 |
| SwedeMike | lardman: so far the new ff is slow and large as well, give me a minute. | 13:59 |
| Surfa | new ff seems somehow more responsive | 13:59 |
| Andy80 | mmm... it looks like my compiled binary is not included in .deb :( if I let you see the Autobuilder building logs, do you think you can give me some hints? | 13:59 |
| Surfa | not at all slow as previous one | 13:59 |
| Surfa | ..not to say that it's very fast either :) | 13:59 |
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| lardman | SwedeMike: :) | 14:01 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Finally... the painkillers are starting to work :D | 14:01 |
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| SwedeMike | I shut down firefox and tried to start it again, now it's at 100% for a minute and still no window | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | has anybody ever succeeded in either transmitting or receiving/syncing contacts over BT, on either PR1.2 or 1.1.1? To whatever peer (PC, other BT phone, even other N900) - if yes: how? | 14:02 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, yes | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: any details? | 14:02 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, from e71 the importing worked like a charm | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | to 1.2? | 14:03 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: yes, I do it all the time to nokia pc suite over BT | 14:03 |
| Surfa | to 1.1.1 | 14:03 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: in both 1.2 and 1.1.1 | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: mhm | 14:03 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, didn't have to do that for 1.2 as they are already there | 14:03 |
| Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: With the proper lubrcation it's doable. | 14:03 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: once from my 6120c, and i sync regularly with my computer | 14:04 |
| kerio | PR1.2 | 14:04 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, on the contraty from the 6500 classic id didn't work | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Duckboot: aah yes (me heads out to fridge, to get hop lubry) | 14:04 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you need to install the bluetooth dun | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's based on your experience? | 14:05 |
| kerio | yeah | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sync to PC? | 14:06 |
| kerio | yup | 14:06 |
| SwedeMike | lardman: my verdict is that FF is unusable, at least for any reasonable complicated web page | 14:06 |
| SwedeMike | reasonably | 14:06 |
| mikki-kun | hm, what would you say about opera? | 14:06 |
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| mikki-kun | just curious | 14:07 |
| lardman | SwedeMike: thanks | 14:07 |
| kerio | opera turbo is *god* when you're on a slow connection | 14:07 |
| kerio | SwedeMike: does microB work on the same complicated web page? | 14:07 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: yes, much better. | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm. The weird thing is the PR1.2 device claims to be a "Phone". So from all you tell me the 1.2-"phone" isn't compatible in its behaviour to an old 6120c | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or e71 | 14:07 |
| SwedeMike | could be the fact that microb doesn't start all the flash that makes the difference ,but just starting FF and interacting with it is slow | 14:07 |
| mikki-kun | kerio: hm, so you have opera mobile or which opera installed? *confused* | 14:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: starting a sync from the n900 to another phone is possible | 14:08 |
| SwedeMike | I mean, just typing in the FF url field is slow, even without any page loaded | 14:08 |
| kerio | starting a sync from the n900 to a pc or viceversa isn't | 14:08 |
| kerio | you need to enable it on the pc, and i don't know how to do it, or you need to enable it on the n900 | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: on PR1.2 - but not on 1.1.1? | 14:08 |
| kerio | installing the bluetooth DUN | 14:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i got my n900 two days ago, never tried 1.1.1 | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok. So the PR1.2 *should* be OK then, but the 1.1.1-"PC" isn't really working correctly | 14:09 |
| SwedeMike | ever since I got my N900 in december I've been able to properly sync calendar and contacts using nokia pc suite | 14:10 |
| SwedeMike | via bluetooth | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather I need BT-dun on PR1.2 to sync to old PC-style 1.1.1 N900, and/or to my alptop | 14:10 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: try it | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: no PC suite here. Missing that giant virus to run that software on it | 14:11 |
| kerio | are you on os x? | 14:11 |
| kerio | you also need an isync plugin | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: Linux, what else? | 14:11 |
| kerio | oh | 14:11 |
| kerio | then i don't know | 14:11 |
| kerio | i guess "nokia generic" works | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was originally interested in syncing two N900 | 14:12 |
| kerio | hmm, you need bluetooth DUN installed on one of those | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | without using a moderator PC | 14:12 |
| kerio | the other one should be fine without it | 14:12 |
| kerio | but you need to start the sync from the one without it | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: as the 1.1.1 pretends to be a PC, I gather I need dun on PR1.2 | 14:13 |
| D-Iivili_Work | chem|st, how's this looking: http://www.firenote.com/D-Iivil/plastic/Screenshot-20100702-140958.png :-P | 14:13 |
| kerio | PR1.2 pretends to be a pc too | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: thanks | 14:13 |
| kerio | (so you need bluetooth DUN to make it act like a normal phone - it's probably there for 1.1.1 too, btw) | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: on my PR1.1.1 the paired PR1.2 alsways is 'type:Phone' | 14:14 |
| lardman | bbl | 14:14 |
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| Duckboot | I pretend girls are PC's, but they seem to have an incompatible API.... | 14:14 |
| kerio | re-pair it | 14:14 |
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| eXtreme7 | tdfhyuj | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: LOL - I re-paired and tried to repair | 14:15 |
| Andy80 | I'm trying to compile an application under Scratchbox and I get this building error: http://pastebin.com/RQQmXQDb - please note that the application compiles without any error under Nokia SDK. What package/s I'm missing? I installed both libqt4-dev and libqtm-dev but it's not enough.. | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: As I thought it might be related which of the devices initiated the pairing, and by which function (mere BT pairing, or send/rcv/sync contacts). So I went thru all 8 permutations, but result always the same | 14:17 |
| kerio | hmm - does the geotag also include gps data? | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's exactly one function where I can create a conduit which then throws "Error" | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really exhausting and took me almost one hour now, incl reboots etc to make sure there are no services that freaked out | 14:19 |
| mikki-kun | hm, can somebody tell me how i can unlock frequencies which are "locked"? | 14:19 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, it has for me | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: huh? | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | for which service? | 14:20 |
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| mikki-kun | am using titan's kernel (ideal settings, but would love having there 250 to 600 as limits, 250 is blocked though) | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah :-S | 14:20 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, check the kernel power wiki-page. | 14:20 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, it's explained there how you can allow some frequencies. | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | 250..600 seems should be sane defaults though | 14:21 |
| kerio | kernel-power is not just for overclocking you know | 14:21 |
| kerio | and if you want 250-600 you can just put the default settings back | 14:21 |
| Duckboot | kerio: No. | 14:21 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I've been running 500 - 1000 since the titan's kernel came out. No problems so far :P | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly | 14:22 |
| Duckboot | kerio: there is lot of other improvements in kernel-power too | 14:22 |
| kerio | Duckboot: i know | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: we are NOT interested in "so far" | 14:22 |
| kerio | lack of reading skills huh? :P | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: take that elsewhere! | 14:22 |
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| Duckboot | kerio: IPv6 is nice. | 14:23 |
| kerio | hmm, iphoto is not importing the tags | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: "I use salad oil instead of decent lubrificant in my motor - no problems so far" - we are NOT interested! | 14:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, chill out dude. | 14:24 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: i can't seem to find that ;/ you wanna point it out? | 14:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power | 14:24 |
| Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Ofc we're interested - Anything out of the ordinary is interesting. | 14:24 |
| mikki-kun | i am at the page already ;) | 14:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Temporary_change_of_the_frequency_limits ? | 14:25 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: seems manual stuff i always need to do :( | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Duckboot: so another noob claiming "no problems SO FAR" - that's *highly* ordinary | 14:25 |
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| Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Well - If you put it that way ;-P | 14:26 |
| Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: Kinda like BP - "No problems so far.... Oh shit...." | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, yep exactly | 14:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, what's your problem? AFAIK I haven't called you names and you just start to throw words like "noob" at me out of nowhere? | 14:28 |
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| * Duckboot grabs for the pocorn, and breaks open a coke. | 14:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | did I mention your name same sentence like the classification 'noob'? | 14:29 |
| kerio | pass some of those popcorns! | 14:29 |
| Duckboot | kerio: Here - Help yourself. | 14:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, well.. you said "so another noob claiming "no problems SO FAR"" after I said no problems so far. How should I understand that? | 14:29 |
| kerio | *nom nom nom* | 14:29 |
| Duckboot | /dcc send kerion popcorn | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: you'll have to live with sharing this classification to the other 50 noobs who did exactly the same - coming here with "no problems SO FAR on overclocking" | 14:30 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, and again. Share "WITH OTHER noobs". | 14:30 |
| * Duckboot turns on "eye of the tiger" to get into the mood. | 14:31 | |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: re you there? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: well, the statement SO FAR on any OC topic either classifies you as a noob or a troll, your call to pick one | 14:31 |
| * D-Iivili_Work realizes that he's pretty noob on many areas thouch | 14:32 | |
| D-Iivili_Work | (damn, typo) | 14:32 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, now I don't really follow you... | 14:32 |
| kerio | "i turned on overclocking for 10 seconds this morning and nothing happened - overclocking is perfectly safe!" | 14:33 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | kerio, didn't really mean to put my words like that when just said I haven't have problems so far with the current setup... | 14:33 |
| kerio | how big is "so far"? | 14:33 |
| D-Iivili_Work | When was the titans kernel relesed? | 14:34 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | two months ago? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | the very basic implication of OC is it destroys your hardware, and it does so by gradual wear to the point where problems become more and more obvious. So a "so far no problems" is either cynical trolling, or clearly indicating you haven't any idea of that | 14:34 |
| Duckboot | "I turned my clock off - Still it became night" | 14:34 |
| Duckboot | kerio: "so far" is like the length of a short string. | 14:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, sure I realize the downsides. This isn't really the first time I'm running things out of their default values. Still don't understand why so angry attitude against me. | 14:35 |
| kerio | D-Iivili_Work: welcome to the internets | 14:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kerio, thanks. | 14:36 |
| kerio | still, overclocking is a bad idea | 14:36 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: uhm, overclocking destroys your hardware? then you shouldn't clock your kernel more than what is the equivalent of the 550MhZ limit of the stock kernel | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, it's not personal, I assure you :p | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: basically because statements like "no problems SO FAR" make others think OC 'is safe' while indicating to the ones that really understand about the issue that you obviously don't | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: exactly | 14:37 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: so nokia has by default your device overclocked | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | isn't 600MHz the stock limit? | 14:37 |
| ShadowJK | 600MHz is overdrive | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: but that's all been discussed ad nauseum on tmo and here and in wiki. So nothing really new | 14:38 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: it is, but from what is stated at the overclocking wiki, nokia themselves say everything beyond 500 mhz is oc'ing | 14:38 |
| Duckboot | "overclocking is bad" really depends on POV. | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | 500MHz is the normal max frequency | 14:38 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, well.. I just said how mine has been working. I DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY WORDS LIKE: your should work also, it's safe to overclock or anything on that matter. | 14:38 |
| ShadowJK | D-Iivili_Work, what will you do if it breaks down next month? :) | 14:38 |
| D-Iivili_Work | ShadowJK, buy a new one. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: I won't go into psychology now to explain to you what's the effect of your words to others | 14:39 |
| kerio | Duckboot: got any more of those popcorns? | 14:39 |
| TigerTael | The freaking coating on my e/3 key is wearing off. ;/ | 14:39 |
| Duckboot | kerio: Here - I have microwaved a new bowl. | 14:40 |
| mikki-kun | ShadowJK: wanna explain what you mean with "overdrive" regarding the 600 mhz? | 14:40 |
| kerio | *nom nom nom* | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | mikki-kun, it's overclock | 14:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, you seem to be a kind of person who owns the _one_and_only_right_opinion_ | 14:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, pleaso go. I'd like to read some more. | 14:41 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | pleaso => please | 14:41 |
| * Duckboot has atleast tried to OC every piece of hardware I laid my hands on - Not one of them has failed me before I end-of-lifed them. | 14:41 | |
| ShadowJK | iirc, the lifetime of the processor is reduced by a factor 100 or something at 600 vs 500 | 14:41 |
| mikki-kun | but then i fail to see the logic with "overclocking is bad" when even nokia has it oc'ed by default | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: no, I don't own it, I share it with majority of users in this channel | 14:42 |
| chem|st | re | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | Though at 600, the lifetime is still slightly beyond the point at which the device is obsolete | 14:42 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, based on what? I mean the "majority". Can you show me some sort of statistic? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | can we just drop the damn subject? It's getting personal now | 14:42 |
| Duckboot | But the main question here is - Does underclocking prolong your device lifespan then? | 14:43 |
| Duckboot | ;-P | 14:43 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: not until the first "your mom" joke | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: and I won't give a solo to you now. You can playback in IRC log, as well as on wiki page about OC, and in tmo as well | 14:43 |
| cure` | "look i've oc-ed my cpu and it runs fine" | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 14:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Duckboot, noup. The main question on my side was: why on earth does DocScrutinizer started to call me names | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: noob isn't a name! | 14:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | did start to call me.. fuck my english is really bad today. | 14:44 |
| * Duckboot goes for some more napalm to throw at the flames \o/ | 14:44 | |
| Duckboot | *nom nom nom* | 14:44 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: depends on how you use it... | 14:44 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mikki-kun, word. | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: sure :-D | 14:44 |
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| Khertan | Hi All ! | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | if anybody is interested | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/node/1 | 14:44 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, and soon after the word "noob" came other words like "troll" etc. | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | chromium to download | 14:45 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And completely out of nowhere. | 14:45 |
| Khertan | Oh ... a first alpha of meego for n900 | 14:45 |
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| Khertan | ouch i miss some news :) | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, he said noob/troll, not both :D | 14:45 |
| noob_1 | yeah, and here come another few: paederast, idiot, bill gates | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:45 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, true. And I even had a freedom to choose one of those. | 14:45 |
| noob_1 | if you apply any of those to you - your problem | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, you chose to argue :P | 14:45 |
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| Duckboot | jacekowski: Thanks. | 14:46 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, are you seriously now saying you didn't mean to point that to me? | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | is it me, or is firefox 4 just a UI change | 14:46 |
| kerio | jacekowski: do you also have a repo? | 14:46 |
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| sandst1 | http://xkcd.com/386/ | 14:47 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: as long as xulrunner changes with FF it won't be only an UI change... | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: you seem to have a serios problem with written english. I gave you the option to select one of the two | 14:47 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: with worse performance | 14:47 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, that get's a lil personal now really | 14:47 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, yeah. One of the two barkins. | 14:48 |
| Duckboot | kerio: Did you finish that popcorn? | 14:48 |
| kerio | no, have at you | 14:48 |
| kerio | /dcc send Duckboot popcorn | 14:48 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, did I accidently killed your dog or something else I don't know? Really don't know what you have against me :D | 14:48 |
| Duckboot | Thanks | 14:48 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: tbh, your attitude towards him shows more of a negative meaning with the word noob... | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: and while troll isn't always a polite callname, I really think you got even worse problems than with written english, if you consider noob to be embarrasing | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | snapdragon is using same powervr core as omap? | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/020229/Qualcomm-Makes-Open-Source-3D-Snapdragon-Driver | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | No they don't use powervr | 14:49 |
| D-Iivili_Work | DocScrutinizer, well, you don't even know my experience with electronic devices, so I suggest you to find that out first before saying someone is a noob in some specific area. | 14:49 |
| ShadowJK | The snapdragon gpu is allegedly much weaker than powervr cores | 14:50 |
| TigerTael | guys | 14:50 |
| TigerTael | Stop bickering. | 14:50 |
| * MohammadAG would ask crashanddie to quiet both DocScrutinizer and D-Iivili_Work for a minute, but... meh :p | 14:50 | |
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| TigerTael | Mommy mommy, people on the internet called me a noob! | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivili_Work: I explained to you the concatenation of "no problems SO FAR" together with overclocking is a sufficient qualification for title noob. But if you feel any better: that was meant to the other 127 noobs coming here and saying exactly same words -not to you though, as you are clearly an expert | 14:51 |
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| TigerTael | I love overclocking... | 14:53 |
| TigerTael | My desktop system. | 14:53 |
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| kerio | TigerTael: with adequate cooling | 14:53 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: that is kind of a paradox you wrote there somehow Ö.ö | 14:54 |
| TigerTael | Of course. | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: osrsly? | 14:54 |
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| mikki-kun | you first say "everybody using the words 'no problems so far' with overclocking are noobs" but then you say "but for you D-Iivili_Work it's ok to say that as you are an expert"... | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: TigerTael: I guess I don't need to elaborate to you about electromigration and the relative non-relation between electrocuting OMAP by OC, and any thermal issues found on a desktop classical processor | 14:57 |
| TigerTael | Not at all. | 14:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: don't know about that but i don't really care either, so... | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: impoooosible - what an ooopsie :-P | 14:57 |
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| TigerTael | I am well aware of the risks and have no problem putting a desktop processor under such conditions. ;] | 14:58 |
| * D-Iivili_Work wonders what kind of people gets OP rights nowadays | 14:58 | |
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| TigerTael | same kind as always... | 14:59 |
| TigerTael | People who are usually on and have sound logic... ideally. | 14:59 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivili_Work: the ones who own the channel and are either good friends with the channel-owner or a co-founder or have really showed skill in irc'ing | 14:59 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And that line wasn't pointed to DocScrutinizer | 14:59 |
| Edheldil | Hi, maemo on n900 really can't set network call forward? | 14:59 |
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| ShadowJK | isn't there a setting in Settings -> Phone ? | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | for call forwarding? | 14:59 |
| * ShadowJK vaguely recalls an app too in extras | 15:00 | |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, D-Iivili_Work and mikki-kun: I say it nicely to all of you: Please shut the hell up. | 15:00 |
| Edheldil | after 20 seconds there's usually nothing to forward :) | 15:00 |
| D-Iivili_Work | coffee + smoke => | 15:01 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, +1 | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | s/1/q/ | 15:03 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: crashanddie, +q | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=737311&postcount=42 | 15:07 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Aaaahh. Coffee. | 15:12 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: YESSSS | 15:14 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: Angry Birds Level Pack 2 and 3 | 15:15 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Duckboot, but it still needs to go through QA -process which can take like six months when it's down to Nokia & OVI... | 15:15 |
| Duckboot | D-Iivili_Work: Fact? | 15:15 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Duckboot, well just based on the experience with Sygic :D | 15:16 |
| D-Iivili_Work | (allthough I really don't know what happened behind the scenes. Was it Nokia or was it Sygic.) | 15:17 |
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| Pete_1293487 | Hi, was wondering if anyone would mind helping with a dependency error I've got installing python-setuptools on the N900 please? | 15:17 |
| Duckboot | D-Iivili_Work: I blame it on El Niño | 15:17 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Duckboot, so just consider that centence as a bad joke or bad sarcasm attempt. | 15:17 |
| Duckboot | D-Iivili_Work: ;-P | 15:18 |
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| jacekowski | would it be legal for nokia and maemo.org people to link to my page that links to "illegal" files? | 15:19 |
| D-Iivili_Work | jacekowski, if it was illegal then I think google would be sued many times... | 15:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | "if it were" | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivili_Work: they were | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | D-Iivili_Work: they recieved dmca notices lot of times | 15:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | jacekowski, really? In finland police said that "google is a browser, not a web-page" when there was case with a site that offered links to illegal content while the same pages could be found with google. | 15:29 |
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| jacekowski | D-Iivili_Work: problem is that nokia has to comply with stupid US law | 15:31 |
| kerio | jacekowski: i'm missing a lib | 15:31 |
| kerio | does it need extras-devel? | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | kerio: yes | 15:31 |
| D-Iivili_Work | jacekowski, yeah. That's understandable | 15:31 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: read what it says on that page | 15:31 |
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| jacekowski | USA seems to always cause problems | 15:32 |
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| jacekowski | i was hoping to go to defcon this year | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | and no | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | bitch at us consulate told me that i can't get a visa | 15:32 |
| kerio | why? | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | i don't know | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | they don't have to tell you | 15:33 |
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| Surfa | where are you from if you need a visa? | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | poland | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | i got a visa 2 years ago without any questions | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | for a year | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: you don't need a visa | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | i do | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | no, you don't | 15:34 |
| Surfa | why would you need visa from eu country? | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | you just need the electronic waiver | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | nope | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | poland isn't covered under VWP | 15:35 |
| jacekowski | http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html | 15:35 |
| jacekowski | Which countries participate in the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)? | 15:35 |
| jacekowski | i'll have british citizenship soon | 15:35 |
| Surfa | oh ok, it's easy for a finn to travel anywhere.. so didn't quite know the details | 15:36 |
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| jacekowski | - and that's quite funny - it's easier to get british citizenship than US visa | 15:36 |
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| jacekowski | because all you need to do is spend 5 years in the UK to get citizenship | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | while visa is completly random thing | 15:37 |
| Surfa | have you applied for a correct type of visa then? | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | B1/B2 | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | business/travel | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | same as i had before | 15:37 |
| Surfa | ok, weird things happen when having us in the loop | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: that's bollocks | 15:38 |
| kerio | hmm, bash-setup is not working | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: what's the point of having the european union if this kind of shit isn't simplified | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: eu can do fuck all to change us immigration laws | 15:38 |
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| Surfa | pretty amazing to blame eu about us laws :) | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | well, it is stupid | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | at least i told the bitch what i think about it | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | bbl | 15:40 |
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| jacekowski | i have to get something to eat | 15:40 |
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| E0x | hello | 15:42 |
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| E0x | i am trying do usb networking between my n900 and my pc , when i connect my n900 to the pc i seleted pc suite mode , then i get in my pc a usb0 device ( linux ) in my n900 i get too a usb0 device , in the n900 side i run ifup usb0 and it get configure with the ip 192.168.2.15 ( like the wiki say ) in my pc side then i configure the usb0 interface with 192.168.2.16 from the n900 i can ping the .16 address but i can not ping from the pc to the n90 | 15:44 |
| E0x | any idea ? | 15:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | not done. | 15:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sure you've not screwed up routing, and from the n900, you're pinging the n900 | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | tcpdump the other end | 15:45 |
| E0x | maybe i am missing some route in my pc side ? | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | if ping is returning, it must be ok | 15:47 |
| E0x | in the n900 to pc is ok | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ping can't return without the reverse route being there | 15:47 |
| E0x | pc to n900 not | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure you've not screwed up routing, and from the n900, you're pinging the n900 | 15:47 |
| E0x | so the routing in the n900 side i think is OK | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | false logic | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | if ping works, then both routings are correct | 15:47 |
| E0x | ok | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | other stuff can be screwed up | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | pinging by IP? | 15:48 |
| E0x | yes | 15:48 |
| E0x | i saw in the n900 i get a route pointing to 192.168.2.14 like default gw | 15:48 |
| E0x | i delete it | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | please note, I've just woken up, so should be ignored. | 15:48 |
| E0x | but still not ping | 15:48 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: not problem | 15:48 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | route add default usb0 - or whatever/ | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | E0x: ubuntu?@ | 15:49 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: why can i install both bash and bash3? don't they conflict or something? | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: if he can ping routing is ok | 15:49 |
| E0x | jacekowski: debian | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | E0x: iptables? | 15:49 |
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| E0x | jacekowski: which side ? | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Because a duck cannot echo. | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | E0x: debian side | 15:49 |
| E0x | na | 15:49 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: everything is perfectly clear now | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | are you sure? | 15:49 |
| E0x | fresh netinstall | 15:49 |
| jacekowski | check it | 15:49 |
| * SpeedEvil explodes in a shower of picturesqueness. | 15:50 | |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 15:50 |
| E0x | jacekowski: wait , let me turn it on | 15:50 |
| E0x | is a netbook | 15:50 |
| E0x | ups , iptables is install | 15:51 |
| E0x | but none ruls | 15:51 |
| jacekowski | routing should be ok | 15:51 |
| jacekowski | it has to work | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | tcpdump the other side | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | see if you're actually pinging over the device | 15:52 |
| E0x | btw in the n900 i have stock kernel of pr1.2 | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | hey PhonicUK | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | that's ok | 15:52 |
| PhonicUK | hey Mohammad, how's it going? | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | show your /proc/drivers/musb_hdrc | 15:52 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: i still can't understand the duck thing | 15:52 |
| E0x | jacekowski: pc side ? | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | E0x: phone side | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | E0x: do you have correct gadget driver loaded? | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | E0x: g_ether? | 15:53 |
| E0x | pc side g_ether | 15:53 |
| E0x | or phone ? | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: I know very little of package managment. My laptop still runs slackware - which only sort-of does it. | 15:53 |
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| jacekowski | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/ | 15:53 |
| E0x | jacekowski: what i check in the msub_hdrc ? | 15:54 |
| kerio | what's the teardrop? | 15:54 |
| E0x | jacekowski: in the musb_hdrc i get Gadget driver = g_nokia | 15:54 |
| kerio | oh, nokia 7600 | 15:54 |
| kerio | woah that's ugly | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4 - jacekowski | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | E0x: rmmod g_nokia | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | E0x: modprobe g_ether | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | E0x: or install mad developer | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | E0x: there is nice gui for that | 15:55 |
| E0x | g_nokia is in use | 15:56 |
| E0x | by ssi_mcsaab_imp | 15:56 |
| E0x | err | 15:57 |
| E0x | by phone | 15:57 |
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| E0x | jacekowski: g_ether is not in my phone | 15:58 |
| E0x | modprobe -l | grep g_ , none g_ether | 15:58 |
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| E0x | SpeedEvil: what are you saying me about the route ? | 15:59 |
| E0x | o nevermind , let me scroll up | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | E0x: install mad developer | 15:59 |
| E0x | jacekowski: devel ? | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | 16:00 | |
| E0x | i mean devel repositories ? | 16:00 |
| E0x | extras-devel | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | i don't remember | 16:00 |
| E0x | ok | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | i think so | 16:00 |
| E0x | but the wiki don't say anything about mad_developer | 16:00 |
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| E0x | well in fac the wiki say a lot of stuff but is not like a guide | 16:01 |
| E0x | of what you need do | 16:01 |
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| E0x | SpeedEvil: route in the n900 : 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 usb0 | 16:04 |
| E0x | and another one | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | E0x: get mad developer | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | E0x: there is gui for everything | 16:04 |
| E0x | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.14 the same... | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | E0x: and it's not going to work without g_ether | 16:04 |
| E0x | hmm | 16:04 |
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| E0x | now work | 16:05 |
| E0x | i think the problem was the all time i have connected | 16:05 |
| E0x | with the 2g | 16:05 |
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| E0x | now i try without connected to the 2g in the n900 | 16:06 |
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| E0x | i can ping from the pc to the n900 | 16:06 |
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| E0x | confirm | 16:07 |
| E0x | i get connected with the internet in the n900 ( 2g ) | 16:08 |
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| E0x | and not ping | 16:08 |
| E0x | from the pc | 16:08 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: i can't find libxss | 16:18 |
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| jacekowski | libxss-1 | 16:22 |
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| jacekowski | it's not in HAM | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | you have to install it using apt-get | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG | shouldn't click the link to the deb suffice... | 16:24 |
| kerio | jacekowski: libxss1 | 16:25 |
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| kerio | ok, with chromium it's 6 browsers i install | 16:29 |
| kerio | in two days | 16:29 |
| kerio | by the end of the year i'll have 1101 browsers | 16:30 |
| vldcnst | ~botsnack | 16:32 |
| infobot | vldcnst: :) | 16:32 |
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| Termana | ~nuke vldcnst | 16:32 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at vldcnst ... B☢☢M! | 16:32 | |
| Termana | Oops. My bad | 16:32 |
| Termana | :P | 16:32 |
| vldcnst | he'd never bite the hand that feeds him | 16:34 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 16:35 |
| infobot | :), kerio | 16:35 |
| kerio | cute | 16:35 |
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| E0x | what mean Host USB Network | 16:39 |
| E0x | ? | 16:39 |
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| mortini | connecting the n900 to a pc to get network connectivity over the USB cable, i believe | 16:43 |
| E0x | ok | 16:44 |
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| mece | uff | 16:46 |
| mece | 'ello | 16:46 |
| mortini | hi. | 16:47 |
| mece | E0x, no it means you can connect stuff to th usb port | 16:47 |
| mece | oh wait | 16:48 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 16:52 |
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| b-man | noone told me about this O_o http://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html | 16:53 |
| mmarc__ | hi, guys, my n900 won't turn on after auto-switched off on low battery. It's plugged into charger, but can't be turned on, only periodically vibrates and goes off again and again. WTF is this?! OS is fremantle. | 16:53 |
| wazd | seriously, that iPhone4 reception drama is totally out of any borders of sanity :) | 16:54 |
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| mmarc__ | Mostly looks like to turn on charging mechanism, N900 needs to boot into some service program on battery power! Looks pretty stupid. Is there a workaround? | 16:55 |
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| kerio | keep it connected to the power | 16:56 |
| kerio | eventually it'll start i guess | 16:56 |
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| luke-jr | mmarc__: I did that last night too XD | 16:59 |
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| luke-jr | it finally started | 17:00 |
| luke-jr | now it says "Not charging; Insufficient power" "battery low" | 17:00 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 17:00 |
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| kerio | use the wall charger | 17:01 |
| mmarc__ | luke-jr, kerio: it is connected for... hm, more than 4 hours aleady | 17:01 |
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| mmarc__ | kerio: wall charger? | 17:02 |
| kerio | the one you plug in | 17:02 |
| kerio | in the power outlet | 17:02 |
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| kerio | not the usb cable, i mean | 17:02 |
| mmarc__ | kerio: yeah, exactly what I'm using for almost 5 hours already, it soes not seem to make some change... | 17:03 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: I only have a normal USB cable, so... | 17:05 |
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| luke-jr | mmarc__: maybe try USB then XD | 17:05 |
| mmarc__ | Currently, in my rating I'd give crazest stuidness award to this situation. Nokia should stop manufacturing anything more complex than screws and pins. | 17:05 |
| luke-jr | mmarc__: it makes sense, except that it doesn't boot off AC alone | 17:06 |
| luke-jr | N810 will boot w/o a battery ;) | 17:06 |
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| mmarc__ | luke-jr: same with the usb charger | 17:12 |
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| mmarc__ | I really hope nokia does not deliver anything to medcine or rocketry. People are always dying for others' stupidness. | 17:14 |
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| D-Iivil | Evenig everyone. | 17:20 |
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| kwtm | ~ping | 17:43 |
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| Maemofan | has anybody here got meego on their N900? | 17:47 |
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| MohammadAG | Maemofan, #meego | 17:49 |
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| Maemofan | ok | 17:50 |
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| Maemofan | one more question: has the plug in for sharing pics on facebook disappeared? | 17:50 |
| Maemofan | cant find it in the repos any more | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/ | 17:51 |
| Maemofan | thank you | 17:51 |
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| Andy80 | I've noticed a problem with my new package: even if my application has is present in N900 menu after installation from Application Manager, its icon is not displayed until I reboot the device. Wasn't this bug already fixed? | 17:53 |
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| Andy80 | (remove "has" from what I said before :P ) | 17:53 |
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| inteallahonsen | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-to-run-tpb-from-parliament-010702/ | 17:59 |
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| Maemofan | how come that facebook plug in is not in my repos in app manager? | 18:07 |
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| freddy0fh | por que no vale el sonido en una hp dv4 x64 | 18:08 |
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| luke-jr | last night, I dreamt I installed Facebook for Nokia, then deleted the "XMPP" account for it. only then did I realize it was going to force me to sign up for MyNokia or whatever, and got annoyed that it didn't tell me that *before* I removed the XMPP variant | 18:13 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 18:13 |
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| mece | lol | 18:17 |
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| Izzeh | eyy fellaz... if anyones interested just uploaded a guide for getting N64 emulator working | 18:20 |
| Izzeh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57647 | 18:20 |
| luke-jr | seriously? | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | N64 on a handheld? | 18:21 |
| Izzeh | mmm | 18:21 |
| Izzeh | none of the work is mine | 18:21 |
| luke-jr | is it actually playable/ | 18:22 |
| Izzeh | yep | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | interesting | 18:22 |
| Izzeh | fully playable for games like Mario Kart and Lylat Wars | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | how about PS2? | 18:22 |
| luke-jr | I actually have a PS2 game | 18:22 |
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| mece | isn't ps2 a little heavier than N64? | 18:23 |
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| pupnik_ | quite a bit | 18:23 |
| Izzeh | lol probably a good 10 times harder | 18:23 |
| luke-jr | oh :( | 18:24 |
| mece | Izzeh, I'm not really into N64 stuff, but the guide deserve a thanks either way. :) | 18:24 |
| luke-jr | would be nice to find a way to play my PS2 game someday | 18:24 |
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| Izzeh | lol | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | emulate it on your desktop pc | 18:24 |
| luke-jr | pupnik_: haven't found a working emulator :/ | 18:24 |
| Izzeh | PS2 will come one day | 18:24 |
| Izzeh | probably not for N900.. but it will :P | 18:25 |
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| Izzeh | main thing I'm enjoying about N64 on N900 is that my PS3 sixaxis works perfectly with it | 18:25 |
| pupnik_ | are there any N64 rpgs that aren't real-time combat? | 18:25 |
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| mece | soo.. do you guys have any idea where to even begin debugging my wesnoth dilemma? | 18:26 |
| mece | The dilemma being that autobuilder makes a segfaulting one while scratchbox makes a fully working one. | 18:26 |
| lardman | nice | 18:26 |
| lardman | I'd find out the compiler versions first | 18:26 |
| lardman | then look at default build flags | 18:27 |
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| lardman | and see if you can force the autobuilder to not build a segfaulting version | 18:27 |
| Macer | omfg | 18:28 |
| Macer | my comcast goes down | 18:28 |
| Macer | i call them | 18:28 |
| Macer | and their system is down | 18:28 |
| Macer | china is attacking! | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | Macer: nah, that's just me trying to keep you offline | 18:28 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 18:28 |
| Macer | haha | 18:28 |
| Macer | ok | 18:29 |
| Macer | :) | 18:29 |
| Macer | so i was like | 18:29 |
| mece | lardman: so the versions of g++ or whatever it uses? | 18:29 |
| Macer | can you at lest see if there is an outage | 18:29 |
| lardman | mece: just gcc would be fine | 18:30 |
| Macer | no... that is part of the same system | 18:30 |
| Macer | so party at comcasrt i suppose | 18:30 |
| lardman | mece: should/may be in the build logs actually | 18:30 |
| mece | lardman, ok will check. | 18:30 |
| lardman | mece: along with the flags for that matter | 18:30 |
| Macer | everybody is getting drunk because the world is ending | 18:30 |
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| mece | lardman, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/wesnoth_1.6.5-maemo7/ | 18:31 |
| Macer | oooo. i think it kicked in | 18:31 |
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| Macer | crap | 18:32 |
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| lardman | cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 | 18:33 |
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| mece | thanks | 18:34 |
| lardman | could also be a different lib version of course, have you worked out where the segfault happens? | 18:34 |
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| mece | lardman, not really, no. | 18:36 |
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| lardman | gdb/strace | 18:36 |
| mece | lardman, this one has the outpput | 18:36 |
| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=730685&postcount=82 | 18:36 |
| mece | what does that mean? | 18:36 |
| mece | those file not found bits are irrelevant though. | 18:36 |
| lardman | try using gdb and or strace on the file | 18:37 |
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| lardman | the xterm output ties it down a little, but I don;t know the source so can't help there | 18:37 |
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| mece | hmm. libsdl is a different build... | 18:40 |
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| lardman | I've seen segfaults from sdl | 18:42 |
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| lardman | never tracked them down, just lots of parachutes | 18:42 |
| lardman | ;) | 18:42 |
| lardman | bbiab | 18:42 |
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| mece | lardman, :) | 18:42 |
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| RST38h | soooo, Symbian lobby is back, right? | 18:51 |
| mece | OMG Brazil out! | 18:51 |
| mece | RST38h: a who? | 18:51 |
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| Izzeh | Just noticed ya's are talking about SDL | 18:52 |
| mece | Izzeh: tees? | 18:52 |
| Izzeh | mupen64plus input plugin requires it... is it an installable package? | 18:52 |
| mece | s/tees/yees/ | 18:52 |
| infobot | mece meant: Izzeh: yees? | 18:52 |
| RST38h | mece: Nokia's new top mobile solutions corpse said that N-series indeed won't be using symbian^3, they will be using symbian^4 | 18:52 |
| Izzeh | I've got in my guide to simply install Ren'Py as it installs all the correct packages | 18:52 |
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| mece | RST38h: I read today smewhere that they will be using MeeGo | 18:53 |
| RST38h | meego "is also being considered" | 18:53 |
| mece | Izzeh: sdl is installablem, yes. | 18:53 |
| mece | RST38h: meh. | 18:53 |
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| mece | Izzeh: apt-get install libsdl1.2 | 18:54 |
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| Izzeh | ah hah! thx | 18:54 |
| mece | Izzeh: usually it requires some specific sdl components too. do you have a list? | 18:54 |
| Izzeh | none at all | 18:55 |
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| Izzeh | I'm rather hopeless.. just the middle man delivering the stuff to the noobs :P | 18:55 |
| Izzeh | whatever is in Ren'Py appears to make it work perfectly | 18:55 |
| Izzeh | actually now you mention it.. derp... | 18:56 |
| Izzeh | ren'py appears to install libsdl-ttf2.0-0 | 18:57 |
| Izzeh | does that sound like all that would be required? | 18:57 |
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| mece | Izzeh: possibly. | 18:59 |
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| mece | Izzeh: I usually go trial and error on these. | 19:00 |
| Izzeh | yeah I am now.. its taking a very, very long time to uninstall | 19:00 |
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| Izzeh | awesome works fine | 19:05 |
| kerio | is the contacts merger dev here? | 19:05 |
| Izzeh | No more installing 60 mb file to get 3 mb emu working | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | "There has also been some confusion about Symbian and Nseries. The Nokia N8 will be our only Nseries device on Symbian^3. Of course, we never comment on future products, but a Symbian^4 Nseries device is a strong possibility. A very strong possibility" | 19:10 |
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| Dassu | mass panic will follow | 19:10 |
| hrw | RST38h: my comment: "nokia, ............ and ...... and thank you for cooperation" | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | hrw: They do not care | 19:13 |
| hrw | I know | 19:13 |
| hrw | they stopped caring few years ago | 19:13 |
| hrw | if did even then | 19:13 |
| RST38h | "As Symbian gears up to compete with the likes of iPhone and Android, MeeGo is taking clear aim at the computing space." | 19:14 |
| hrw | too bad for them that they forgot to look at market | 19:14 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 19:14 | |
| hrw | RST38h: in 2012 maybe meego will have some part of market. or will be forgotten like maemo looks | 19:14 |
| RST38h | Corpses live in their own world. | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | It is a miracle they do manage to make a successful decision every now and then | 19:15 |
| hrw | as long as S40 phones sell nokia will not die | 19:15 |
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| hrw | and I think that this is their best line of systems for phones. | 19:16 |
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| mece | s40 is sweet. | 19:17 |
| mece | either way, did any of you try the latest meego release already? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | not worth it | 19:18 |
| RST38h | but some people did | 19:18 |
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| mece | if I make a simple qt app for fremantle, that thing should run on the latest meego too? | 19:19 |
| hrw | if you will rebuild it then in theory should | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | assuming it doesn't use hw related stuff | 19:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | healthcheck for example might only load the ui | 19:21 |
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| RST38h | mece: current meego has no connectivity | 19:21 |
| RST38h | mece: so you won't be able to get your app there | 19:21 |
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| mece | RST38h: can't it mount the emmc? | 19:22 |
| mece | healthcheck is pyqt though. don't think there's pyqt for meego yet. | 19:22 |
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| hrw|gone | bye | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | not what i meant | 19:23 |
| Kaadlajk | i tried couple of Qt examples today on the latest meego release, atleast they worked | 19:26 |
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| mece | lardman, ping? | 19:32 |
| lardman | pong | 19:33 |
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| mece | lardman: ok so the difference when compiling is that autobuilder uses the flags -g -O2 and scratchbox omits those in the arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ commands. | 19:34 |
| lardman | if you add those in for the sb compilation do you also end up with a segfault? | 19:34 |
| mece | gonna try that now.. | 19:34 |
| lardman | optimisations can and do go wrong... | 19:35 |
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| kerio | i can't connect to msn | 19:38 |
| kerio | is this a server problem? | 19:38 |
| lardman | mece: am off home now, should be on later, otherwise I imagine there are other people around who can point you in the right direction | 19:38 |
| kerio | i'm using the "additional protocols for communications" plugin | 19:38 |
| lardman | in any case good luck, segfaults are a pita to track down sometimes ;) | 19:39 |
| lardman | bye all | 19:39 |
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| * SpeedEvil got really excited for a moment. | 19:46 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'd installed about 30 apps from extras-testing without paying too much attention to their names. | 19:46 |
| mece | good for you... ;) | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Then on coming back - I saw an image of a running app on my desktop! | 19:46 |
| mece | gah how do I force a CFLAG when building with debian/rules? | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd been wanting this as a means of switching for a while. | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | then I realised it was a screenshot and a desktop photo app. | 19:47 |
| * RST38h got desperate about FBreader tap paging and decided to turn pages with a finger drag rather than a finger tap | 19:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: err - why | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: it just works | 19:47 |
| RST38h | Seems to be the only semireliable way to do it on N900 | 19:47 |
| RST38h | it does not | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: That is - if you set the thresholds right | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 19:47 |
| RST38h | It would, if N900 could make a difference between finger and nail | 19:47 |
| RST38h | but it does not | 19:48 |
| RST38h | and no thresholds are unreliable | 19:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I just set it so any tap at all makes it change page | 19:48 |
| RST38h | Ehehehehe | 19:49 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: this breaks book selection from a list | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | webreading.ru <-- check out the roman letters =) | 19:50 |
| greenfly | I like to use the volume keys w/ fbreader | 19:50 |
| greenfly | makes one-handed reading easier | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends how you hold it | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | in some orientations, volume keys are annoying | 19:51 |
| greenfly | SpeedEvil: Mr Jobs is that you? | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish. | 19:51 |
| greenfly | yeah but fbreader can't do portrait, right? | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | If I was, apple would be taking a _radically_ new approach. | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | greenfly: yes, it can | 19:52 |
| greenfly | oooo | 19:52 |
| * greenfly tries | 19:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or - rather - the content can | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a rotate button | 19:52 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: a radically new approach off the edge of a cliff I hope ;) | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, two orientations are somewhat broken by the pop-out-button | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: As in open source the OS | 19:53 |
| * alterego has a sudden day dream of Steve Jobs as Willie Wonka inviting his potential successors into the wonderful Apple factory. | 19:53 | |
| SpeedEvil | and push APIs for better multitasking | 19:53 |
| RST38h | Apple opensources its OS | 19:53 |
| alterego | short little fat guys fanbois as umpalumpas | 19:53 |
| RST38h | Darwin is open source | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | i know | 19:54 |
| alterego | NetBSD is open source :) | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: personally, I would be quite happy for click anywhere but on a link to move the page, and click on the link to activate it | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | swiping would be annoyinh | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Admit it, you all just envy Steve Jobs for his great success in revolutionizing mobile computing! | 19:55 |
| * RST38h quickly finds a large tree and climbs it | 19:55 | |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: it is more complicated than that =( | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | He clearly has | 19:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Much as Mao revolutionised the book format. | 19:56 |
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| alterego | RST38h: actually, I want to be Steve Jobs so I can go down in history for inventing Video calling, really cool engineering antennas and inventing the Phone. | 19:58 |
| alterego | I'm actually thinking of emailling Mr Jobs for some reason. | 20:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Dear Mr. Jobs, | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | O hai | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | regards, | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego | 20:01 |
| alterego | You know those "Setup compliant" wifi routers, god damn they're a pain in the ass :) | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yeah lol, i have two | 20:02 |
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| alterego | Dear Mr Jobs, O hai. Vote for my app plix!?!? Yours, AppleManEgo | 20:02 |
| alterego | Also, did you read the latest on iFail 4's signal issue ... Apparently their algorithm for calculating signal is wrong and adds bars when in low signal areas ... | 20:03 |
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| alterego | Expect a patch that will be out in a couple of weeks which will make everyones iFail 4's have 0 signal 100% of the time :) | 20:04 |
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| alterego | God damnit I'm hungry .. | 20:05 |
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| pexi | have you seen the screen of the ip4 irl? | 20:07 |
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| alterego | pexi: no, I would like to see one tbh. | 20:07 |
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| pexi | yeah, me too | 20:08 |
| pexi | htc desire screen was pretty nice (w/o sunlight) | 20:08 |
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| alterego | I want to compare it to the N900's screen. | 20:09 |
| pexi | and n900 screen looked pretty lame... until you got out of the building :) | 20:09 |
| alterego | I used Android on a desire yesterday, slow, buggy .. It crashed twice in my hands and I had to pull the battery to restart it. | 20:09 |
| alterego | Not impressed tbh. | 20:10 |
| alterego | Maybe it's some kind of charge the N900 gives me that breaks others' handsets :) | 20:10 |
| pexi | I liked it though it tried to kill me when some acc based actions activated during driving | 20:10 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:10 |
| kerio | do you guys know if there's a way to order the single details in a contact? | 20:10 |
| alterego | They're also really sensitive, I magaed to mute it by just holding the frame .. | 20:11 |
| pexi | ofc writing was impossible with the touch screen | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | alterego, it's jaw dropping. | 20:11 |
| alterego | GAN900: iPhone screen? | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | Although the font choice on the browser looks weird at high DPI | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | I need one of those on the N9 | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | It's seriously unreal. | 20:11 |
| alterego | Cool, I might get one as a picture frame then. :) | 20:11 |
| alterego | If only it was open ... | 20:12 |
| pexi | :D | 20:12 |
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| kerio | it "kinda" is | 20:12 |
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| alterego | GAN900: did you have a look at the camera? is it as good as Nokia's Carl Zeiss? | 20:12 |
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| GAN900 | Dunno, haven't bothered snapping any shots yet. | 20:13 |
| kerio | phone cameras are the same | 20:13 |
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| kerio | they all suck | 20:13 |
| alterego | Oh, you actually have one? | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | The software is so goddamn boring | 20:13 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | alterego, my mother pre-ordered one for herself | 20:13 |
| alterego | Oh, ... | 20:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, but each one sucks to a different degree | 20:13 |
| kerio | the problem is not the sensor | 20:13 |
| kerio | it's the optics | 20:13 |
| * alterego shudders, | 20:14 | |
| kerio | you need *space* for a good camera | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | So no matter how cool the hardware is, it's just as tiresome as a featue phone after a couple days. | 20:14 |
| alterego | kerio: I'm sure we're all very aware of the short falls of micro photography :P | 20:14 |
| kerio | alterego: good point | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | Same with the iPad | 20:14 |
| alterego | GAN900: so what it looks pretty! | 20:14 |
| kerio | GAN900: but it has a lot of cool apps | 20:14 |
| kerio | ;) | 20:14 |
| pexi | N8 camera is pretty good | 20:14 |
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| kerio | for instance, the iphone has a native port of robot unicorn attack, which is unplayable on the n900 | 20:15 |
| kerio | :( | 20:15 |
| alterego | The N96 camera, was better slightly than the N95 8G, N900 not as good but useable. | 20:15 |
| alterego | Ooo, will the iFail 4 blend?!? | 20:16 |
| kerio | alterego: they already did that | 20:16 |
| kerio | i think | 20:16 |
| kerio | yup | 20:16 |
| pexi | i remember that some pocket camera had vertical zoom optics inside the camera and it was pretty compact | 20:16 |
| kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLreo24WYeQ | 20:16 |
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| pexi | that kind of solution could be possible.. maybe | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, imo the N95-1 had the best 5MP camera | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | N86 8MP | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | 12MP, never owned one in a phone | 20:17 |
| kerio | alterego: you know, the iphone 4 *is* pretty sturdy | 20:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | at holding signals, yes, it's just epic | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | and magical | 20:18 |
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| Surfa | I didn't quite believe in n8 camera.. but to be honest, it's pretty great camera for to be a phone | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | megapixels can be lies. | 20:20 |
| Surfa | not to say that n900 is bad, it's also very sufficient for most people | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - there are that number of optical pixels in the camera. | 20:20 |
| Surfa | SpeedEvil, who cares, photos are great anyway :) | 20:20 |
| kerio | the cool thing about cameraphones is geotagging | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | No, they cannot be resolved | 20:20 |
| kerio | that's something you don't get in low-end cameras | 20:20 |
| kerio | (even if they make *much* better photos than cameraphones) | 20:20 |
| Surfa | kerio, agreed | 20:20 |
| alterego | Wow, it did put up a fight .. | 20:21 |
| kerio | ooh there's abiword in extras-devel | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It's great for this sort of pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Plenty of light, not challenging conditions. | 20:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though it's actually got surprisingly better in 1.2 firmware in low light | 20:21 |
| kerio | <SpeedEvil> guys look at my awesome garden, yours'll never be better | 20:22 |
| kerio | and that's sad because it's true :'( | 20:22 |
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| Surfa | alterego, fight, where? | 20:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: This is 99.5% my mums work. | 20:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have _no_clue_ what most of the flowers are. I'm up to about 20 weeds though. | 20:24 |
| kerio | well, to be fair my father's garden is way cooler as it isn't a garden | 20:24 |
| kerio | it has a lot of trees | 20:24 |
| Surfa | kerio, well, the thruth is that most people take random pics with random quality with any camera just to upload them to facebook *hooray* | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 20:24 |
| kerio | Surfa: and the n900 works great for that | 20:24 |
| Surfa | so basically the camera is not an issue for most photographers :) | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It can be frustrating when you'd actually like a nice cam. | 20:25 |
| kerio | i still haven't found a way to sync tags and geotags to iphoto btw :( | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3618667767/ - for example - I'd have loved a better dynamic range on that shot | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | One of the occasions HDR would have been useful | 20:27 |
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| GAN900 | I wonder what the MeeGo Conference is going to look like. | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | Lot of corporate TLAs in all of the material so far. | 20:30 |
| blizzow | SpeedEvil: have you tried the blessn900 app? | 20:30 |
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| blizzow | It's supposed to do HDR "in camera" | 20:31 |
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| MohammadAG51 | which doesn't work due to "low memory" | 20:31 |
| hillbicks | hey guys. | 20:31 |
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| kerio | blizzow: it sounds amazing on paper | 20:32 |
| blizzow | MohammadAG51: I've gotten a couple of updates for blessn900 and I don't get that message anymore. | 20:32 |
| kerio | i'll try it | 20:32 |
| RST38h | GAN900: That is obviously the sign of Meego's maturity and serious business relevance! | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | clearly | 20:32 |
| * RST38h checks that he is still sitting on a really high tree | 20:32 | |
| RST38h | Just in case | 20:32 |
| kerio | isn't the N8 guaranteed to not be maemo-powered? | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | blizzow, oh, i just uninstalled it as it plays with the cam driver | 20:32 |
| Surfa | kerio, symbian^3 | 20:33 |
| RST38h | kerio: one word: HAMSTERS. | 20:33 |
| hillbicks | has anyone here tried to connect through an http proxy to one of the messenger services on the n900? i set the systemwide proxy (which is working) but icq and skype both connect if the proxy is down, which leads me to believe they are not using the proxy at all. | 20:33 |
| tybollt | GAN900: :) yeah it'll be all corporate and then the occasional brown nose money sucking hacker... ;) | 20:34 |
| hillbicks | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718 <---this bug here talks only about jabber | 20:34 |
| povbot | Bug 718: Supporting Jabber through proxy | 20:34 |
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| hillbicks | oh well, so all protocols are affected, not only jabber? | 20:35 |
| hillbicks | wait a minute, povbot is a damn bot, isn't he? | 20:35 |
| arachnist | yes | 20:36 |
| hillbicks | i was just about to talk to him | 20:36 |
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| tybollt | hillbicks: /msg povbot asl? Care to meet me for a beer ina pub later on tonight! | 20:38 |
| tybollt | :P | 20:39 |
| hillbicks | *g* | 20:39 |
| kerio | hm, i kinda regret having all these contacts on my phone that only have IM data | 20:41 |
| kerio | how's pidgin? | 20:41 |
| tybollt | ? | 20:41 |
| tybollt | why pidgin | 20:41 |
| tybollt | go for msn pecan | 20:41 |
| Robot101 | kerio: if you access the phone, it only shows callable people... | 20:41 |
| tybollt | also | 20:41 |
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| tybollt | do merge phone contacts w/ msn contacts | 20:41 |
| Robot101 | and it has a nicer contact chooser for one-handed calling operation | 20:41 |
| Robot101 | and yeah, get the contact merger too | 20:42 |
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| tybollt | on handed operation... >:) | 20:42 |
| kerio | i have the contact merger | 20:42 |
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| kerio | it's just that i have a lot of people i only have IM data for | 20:42 |
| kerio | and i'm not using pecan, i'm using butterfly as of now | 20:42 |
| vanadismobile | fuck yeah | 20:43 |
| kerio | with a *crapload* of other protocols from libpurple | 20:43 |
| kerio | including msn haze | 20:43 |
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| vanadismobile | i connected to on of our servers by rdesktop on n900 | 20:43 |
| vanadismobile | connected from there to an other server | 20:43 |
| kerio | modal windows suck btw | 20:44 |
| vanadismobile | then sshd to our main server and rebooted it! | 20:44 |
| blizzow | I just took these - Regular Image with the N900: http://imgur.com/zFSCD.jpg HDR with blessn900 - http://imgur.com/stM3X.jpg | 20:45 |
| RST38h | GAN900: So, what do you think about flipping pages with a finger drag in FBReader? | 20:45 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, meh | 20:45 |
| kerio | blizzow: the first one looks... better | 20:45 |
| RST38h | GAN900: So far, it is the only solution I can offer | 20:45 |
| RST38h | the only reliable one | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | Probably iPhone users will like it | 20:45 |
| RST38h | ah screw the iphone users | 20:45 |
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| RST38h | Solving a real problem here | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | I like the volume rocker myself, though | 20:45 |
| RST38h | N900 is unable to tell difference between finger ans stylus | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | so tap-on-finger-only does not work and will no | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Maemo5 gtk+ does not appear to report double-click and triple-click | 20:46 |
| RST38h | so, no luck there | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | the only idea I have left is dragging your finger | 20:46 |
| RST38h | as if turning a page with it | 20:46 |
| RST38h | adding it as an option as we speak | 20:47 |
| lcuk | RST38h, n900 does have pressure data and could be calibrated to detect a smudged stroke instead of more accurate tap | 20:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I tried. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | the n800 had the code, perhaps you could dig out the function | 20:47 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: it does not work reliably. | 20:47 |
| lcuk | yeah it didnt on 810 either | 20:47 |
| * lcuk mentioned this a long time ago | 20:47 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: if it does not work reliably, you cannot use it | 20:47 |
| lcuk | i know | 20:47 |
| RST38h | lcuk: turning pages with unreliable functionality like that is going to drive you mad | 20:47 |
| * RST38h needs a bullet proof method | 20:48 | |
| kerio | blizzow: is it just me? | 20:48 |
| kerio | the first photo looks better than the second | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, not me | 20:49 |
| lcuk | i have book reader that works | 20:49 |
| RST38h | liquibase? =) | 20:49 |
| lcuk | pages by hardware key, autoscrolling and pretty kinetics | 20:49 |
| lcuk | oh, and tearfree portrait :) | 20:49 |
| * RST38h is pretty sure lcuk's reader won't do .fb2 | 20:49 | |
| lcuk | maybe not yet, but it will when someone adds support for it | 20:50 |
| RST38h | aha, never | 20:50 |
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| lcuk | meh, doesnt bother me i read now and worry about other formats later | 20:51 |
| lcuk | ie: wfm | 20:51 |
| smackpotato | how long is garage down for | 20:51 |
| kerio | is there a way to mass-remove nicknames from the contact list? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | RST38h, http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | Fun, fun: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7866823/MI5-investigates-KGB-father-of-Russian-spy.html | 20:53 |
| RST38h | Telegraph delivers, again | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, doh | 21:00 |
| smackpotato | can anyone share ramzez for the n810 with me | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr | wtf is that | 21:03 |
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| smackpotato | its a compressed swap file in ram | 21:04 |
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| smackpotato | garage is down | 21:04 |
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| luke-jr | smackpotato: you mean ramzswap? | 21:05 |
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| smackpotato | yess i think it might be called that i thing there are three downloads altogether | 21:06 |
| smackpotato | thing=think | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | smackpotato: you need to give up numerous functions of the hardware to get ramzswap | 21:07 |
| luke-jr | such as GPS | 21:07 |
| smackpotato | so there are disadvantages? | 21:07 |
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| smackpotato | i could do without gps | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | I *think* GPS is the only major loss | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | no idea if Maemo works with it | 21:08 |
| smackpotato | ok ill read some more | 21:09 |
| luke-jr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55508 | 21:09 |
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| Mece | why does ./configure ignore CFLAGS="something" ? | 21:24 |
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| luke-jr | Mece: why wouldn't it? | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | maybe you mean to do CFLAGS="something" ./configure | 21:24 |
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| Mece | luke-jr, well.. perhaps. | 21:25 |
| Mece | luke-jr, I'll check | 21:25 |
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| Mece | well... there are CFLAGS defined in rules, but they are never used, and they are required to make this work. | 21:27 |
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| konfoo | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/02/the-fightback-starts-now/ this is why we can't have nice things | 21:34 |
| konfoo | "Symbian is our platform of choice for Nokia smartphones." | 21:35 |
| kerio | :( | 21:36 |
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| kerio | WHAT ABOUT MAEMO YOU ASSHOLES | 21:36 |
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| konfoo | that wasn't my point, but nod | 21:37 |
| konfoo | he's tossing meego under the bus | 21:37 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: Maemo was killed quite some time ago | 21:38 |
| kerio | luke-jr: then... hmm... WHAT ABOUT MEEGO YOU ASSHOLES | 21:38 |
| kerio | there | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | MeeGo always sucked | 21:38 |
| kerio | :) | 21:38 |
| kerio | so... why did i buy a n900 then? :/ | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | because it is AWESOME? | 21:39 |
| kerio | oh right | 21:40 |
| kerio | ;) | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | kerio: no idea ;) | 21:40 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: perhaps you want to run KDE and Gentoo | 21:40 |
| kerio | nah, easy debian is enough | 21:40 |
| Robot101 | konfoo: this is their marketing thing, their N series aren't smartphones, they're mobile computers | 21:41 |
| kerio | btw, the script i edited because i was running the extras version can be edited back to the default now that i'm running the extras-devel version? | 21:41 |
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| konfoo | robot: a great way to confuse themselves and the marketplace | 21:42 |
| kerio | n900 - how can i see the dBm of the mobile signal? | 21:44 |
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| mc_teo | hello | 21:44 |
| Mece | hello | 21:44 |
| mc_teo | do you know manycam for windows? is there anything like that for n900 | 21:44 |
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| mc_teo | that can play videos as webcam? | 21:45 |
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| Mece | x-fade, ping? | 21:52 |
| E0x | somebody have this too? | 21:53 |
| E0x | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10851 | 21:53 |
| povbot | Bug 10851: Alway Portrait Mode Phone app not work | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | and they still haven't said what OS they'll use on the Communicators | 21:53 |
| ShadowJK | or if there'll even be another Communicator :) | 21:53 |
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| kerio | E0x: yup | 21:55 |
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| E0x | kerio: that make lost a few call | 21:57 |
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| kerio | people actually make phone calls? :O | 21:58 |
| kerio | can i uninstall the kernel-power-flasher? | 21:58 |
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| kerio | the "uninstall kernel" icon is annoying | 21:59 |
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| alterego | r | 22:06 |
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| kerio | is there any way to make directories in the menu? | 22:06 |
| DrGrov | Anyone got a screenshot of that Blue Sky Theme that just came today to the extra repos? The theme has custom transitions and custom icons. Would love to see a screenshot. | 22:06 |
| mmarc__ | kerio, any luck with charging? | 22:06 |
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| kerio | mmarc__: ? | 22:06 |
| kerio | well, i just charged it | 22:07 |
| kerio | like, right now | 22:07 |
| kerio | :D | 22:07 |
| mmarc__ | how long it took you to? | 22:07 |
| kerio | dunno... couple of hours? | 22:08 |
| mmarc__ | kerio: and was it vibrating all time when charging? | 22:08 |
| kerio | no | 22:08 |
| kerio | i think you're mistaking me for someone else | 22:08 |
| mmarc__ | oops, yeah, luke-jr! | 22:09 |
| mmarc__ | sorry | 22:09 |
| mmarc__ | luke-jr: have you succeeded with charging? | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Why not just install it? | 22:10 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: what settings do you use for xchat? | 22:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm... | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Lots | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | mmarc__: I had when we spoke earlier | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/xchat.png it looks like | 22:15 |
| kerio | font? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia sans semibold 14 | 22:17 |
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| kerio | yay n900 | 22:19 |
| kerio | this setup looks fine | 22:19 |
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| kerio | should i install the system tray? | 22:20 |
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| TheLord | hi, how can I see the version on software of my nokia 3120C? | 22:26 |
| Surfa | *#0000# | 22:26 |
| Surfa | same as every nokia device | 22:27 |
| TheLord | thanks a lot | 22:28 |
| kerio | hehe, the usual *#RST0# doesn't work on the n900 | 22:28 |
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| Surfa | kerio, can I get the same in numbers? | 22:32 |
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| kerio | the usual reset combinations for nokia phones are *#7780# as for *#RST0# and *#7370# for *#RES0# | 22:36 |
| lcuk | what do they reset? | 22:36 |
| kerio | soft reset/hard reset | 22:37 |
| ds3 | is there a code to find out your own number? | 22:37 |
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| kerio | there's no way to reset from the n900 itself | 22:37 |
| kerio | you need to reflash | 22:37 |
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| ShadowJK | ds3: I don't think it's possible for phone to know its own number normally | 22:41 |
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| * Mece is drivin his boat.. | 22:41 | |
| ShadowJK | Besides, my sim card has multiple numbers | 22:41 |
| ds3 | ShadowJK: sure it is.... the smaller Nokia phones have a magic number figure it out; the Palm Treo's show it in About phone | 22:41 |
| ds3 | primary DN | 22:41 |
| ShadowJK | ds3: I suspect that's a STK thing? | 22:42 |
| ds3 | STK? | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | Sim ToolKit | 22:42 |
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| ds3 | oh, might be... not sure how it works; I thought it might be USSD but *shrug* | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | the sim can contain software for the phone to execute, N900 doesn't do it | 22:42 |
| ShadowJK | Well what's the magic number anyway? | 22:43 |
| ShadowJK | I have some older nokia too | 22:43 |
| ds3 | I donno, the dealer won't tell me | 22:43 |
| ds3 | I know it is there because I pay my bill in person and donno my own number | 22:43 |
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| ToJa92 | is it safe to update hildon-initscripts? it wants to remove the package "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" in the process which doesn't sound very safe... | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | you can't SSU | 22:46 |
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| ToJa92 | every time I do "apt-get upgrade" it says install of hildon-initscripts is hold back | 22:47 |
| ToJa92 | and I wanted to update it so that I don't see that message every time :) | 22:47 |
| Surfa | apt-get upgrade hildon-initscripts ? | 22:47 |
| Surfa | what would it tell you | 22:48 |
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| kerio | doh, x terminal has a 79x25 size apparently :/ | 22:48 |
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| ToJa92 | Surfa: "The following packages have been kept back: hildon-initscripts" | 22:49 |
| kerio | what fond should i use to get a 80x24-ish size? | 22:49 |
| kerio | font | 22:49 |
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| pupnik_ | kerio: there is some info in the roguelike game discussions on talk.maermo.org | 22:51 |
| kerio | link pls? | 22:52 |
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| Surfa | ToJa92, hmm, with debian it could have been dist-upgrade that upgraded those packages.. but I'm not really sure what it does on maemo | 22:53 |
| pupnik_ | i'd just have to search talk.maemo.org for angband, zangband terminal size | 22:53 |
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| ToJa92 | Surfa: Guess I'll just ignore it | 22:55 |
| ToJa92 | better than trying to resolve it myself | 22:55 |
| ToJa92 | it'll probably end bad | 22:55 |
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| kerio | what terminal is this? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=503482&postcount=2 | 22:57 |
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| kerio | is there a way to start a connection with the terminal? | 23:01 |
| ToJa92 | to where? | 23:03 |
| Surfa | what connection? | 23:03 |
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| kerio | well, the autoconnection | 23:03 |
| Ikarus | someone should port xnethack to Maemo :) | 23:03 |
| Ikarus | I need my tiles | 23:03 |
| kerio | Ikarus: DIE IN HELL BLASPHEMER | 23:03 |
| Ikarus | kerio: :P | 23:03 |
| kerio | ;) | 23:03 |
| kerio | i meant the same menu i get by tapping the status area and choosing "Internet connection" | 23:04 |
| Ikarus | kerio: yes there is | 23:05 |
| Ikarus | it's a DBus message | 23:05 |
| Ikarus | that triggers that thing | 23:05 |
| Ikarus | (browser and the like use it aswell | 23:05 |
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| kerio | (what font is Monospace? a separate font, newcourier or nimbus mono?) | 23:05 |
| kerio | Ikarus: what message? how can i trigger it? | 23:06 |
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| Ikarus | kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Connectivity_UI | 23:06 |
| Ikarus | show_conn_dlg | 23:07 |
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| kerio | hmm... what about the specified autoconnection? | 23:08 |
| kerio | i mean, microB doesn't ask me if i can reach my wifi network | 23:08 |
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| Ikarus | kerio: I have no idea, perhaps the dialog doesn't show in that case, or it uses some of the earlier stuff to see if it has a connection already | 23:09 |
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| kerio | aw, there's no preinstalled font that gives me a 80x24 terminal :( | 23:11 |
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| kerio | i can't believe this... 79x25 | 23:12 |
| kerio | :/ | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:13 |
| kerio | i guess i could run a 80x24 screen from my server and use that | 23:14 |
| kerio | i'd lose one character though :( | 23:15 |
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| konfoo | http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1633/70.817/ bahaha | 23:18 |
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| Jaffa | kerio: You want to install the Droid Fonts anyway - much nicer monospace font | 23:24 |
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| luke-jr | yawn | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | want my Console font? | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | based on the one by the same name included in KDE 3 :p | 23:31 |
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| luke-jr | how do you install fonts, anyway? | 23:33 |
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| jd | is there a way to make the terminal be white text on black background instead of black text on white background on maemo 5 | 23:35 |
| Lantizia | OK so I've read that USB host mode is coming in a kernel now being developed... so I'm gonna get one of those micro USB to female USB adapters ready for when the kernel module is released | 23:35 |
| Lantizia | Don't suppose anyone here has it working and knows how well it works? | 23:35 |
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| Lantizia | (at least so far) | 23:35 |
| jd | Lantizia, do those adapters cost a lot? | 23:35 |
| Lantizia | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/230493262010 | 23:35 |
| Lantizia | jd, £3.40 <-- so no :) | 23:36 |
| jd | not bad | 23:36 |
| jd | i'm going to order one | 23:36 |
| Lantizia | the new kernel module isn't ready yet however | 23:36 |
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| luke-jr | Lantizia: don't assume they'll work | 23:36 |
| Lantizia | luke-jr, I know about the power constraints | 23:36 |
| Lantizia | luke-jr, or are you getting at something else? | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | Lantizia: I'm thinking the OTG wiring requirements and such | 23:37 |
| Lantizia | luke-jr, I haven't seen anything about that, just read there is a modified kernel in testing that does it all | 23:37 |
| Lantizia | all in software | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | dunno, I'd want something hardware | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | so I can continue charging while using it | 23:37 |
| Lantizia | why? | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | a hub that proxies host mode to the N900 or such | 23:38 |
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| luke-jr | that is, puts N900 in device-mode so it charges, yet provides a USB hub to it also | 23:38 |
| Lantizia | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://maemos.ru/2010/06/07/usb-host-usb-otg/&sl=auto&tl=en | 23:38 |
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| Lantizia | for ages the categorical answer was... NO WAY | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | now there is at least some how | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | *hope | 23:40 |
| kerio | so it's either a low-power device or a powered hub | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | yup | 23:40 |
| kerio | lame in both cases :( | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | it'd be fine if someone hands you a USB pen out'n'about that you need a few files from - you can give it them straight back | 23:41 |
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| Lantizia | I wonder if a small optical mouse would run off it - good for games | 23:42 |
| Lantizia | like the kind you buy for laptops | 23:42 |
| kerio | hmm, i bet they require too much power | 23:43 |
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| kerio | do i need to reboot after installing the droid fonts? | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | <Lantizia> I wonder if a small optical mouse would run off it - good for games <-- yes | 23:47 |
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| MohammadAG | no need for a powered hub for that | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | o/ crashanddie | 23:47 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, cool - have you got the host mode working? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | on my device yes, on others' devices, no | 23:48 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, and by your device you mean an N900 ? | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, yes, my device only, for some unknown reason | 23:48 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG, can you confirm what is needed is only software changes not hardware? | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | I copied a 2GB file for a friend before my exam started at the british council | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | software, I wouldn't know how to do hardware changes :p | 23:49 |
| Lantizia | ok cool, know where I can go to try it out? or should I wait for it to land in extras-devel? | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | wait, as I said only I can do it for some reason | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | \o MohammadAG | 23:50 |
| kerio | huh | 23:50 |
| kerio | what do you mean? | 23:50 |
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| kerio | just replicate the steps on another device | 23:50 |
| Lantizia | he has magic fingers | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | I've been completely stiched by the french banking system | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, yes, it doesn't work on other devices | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, same steps/files | 23:51 |
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| Lantizia | MohammadAG, hardware revision slightly different? different factory? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | US device, can't see anything special about it | 23:51 |
| Lantizia | mysterious | 23:51 |
| Lantizia | are the steps published anyway in case someone gets lucky? | 23:52 |
| Lantizia | like that russian guy has it working | 23:52 |
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| FredrIQ | that doesn't seem logical | 23:53 |
| FredrIQ | at all | 23:53 |
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| b-man | aaaarrrhhhhh!! just spent 5 hours setting up ubuntu on my N900.. then it suddenly acts funny, have to reboot, and now the filesystem on the mmc is #$%!* up so i vane to start all over :P | 23:53 |
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| b-man | *have | 23:54 |
| Lantizia | Yes Tuvok | 23:54 |
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| Lantizia | b-man, have a guide for that? | 23:54 |
| b-man | Lantizia: it's a work in progress - no guide yet | 23:55 |
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| kerio | b-man: a proper ubuntu system or a chroot? | 23:55 |
| b-man | a proper system | 23:55 |
| Lantizia | b-man, cool... I take it it's the latest one they did for arm 9.04 ? | 23:55 |
| kerio | wait, as a selfbooting OS? | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697172&postcount=1032 | 23:55 |
| b-man | Lantizia: i did that one ;) | 23:55 |
| Mece | Mohammadag, why are these CFLAGS in rules ignored? | 23:55 |
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| Lantizia | b-man, you did what? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, haha, told ya, same happened to me | 23:56 |
| b-man | ported Ubuntu 9.04 to the N800/N810 | 23:56 |
| Lantizia | b-man, no I'm on about Ubuntu Mobile stopped at 9.04 anyway | 23:56 |
| b-man | kerio: yup | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: so where are we on the usb host mode front? | 23:56 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: cuz that post is telling me didly squat | 23:56 |
| b-man | Lantizia: ohh | 23:57 |
| kerio | b-man: just because you can or because there's an advantage over maemo? | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, err? | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: when will it be working, bitch? | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | 201x | 23:57 |
| jd | how is ubuntu on the n8xx? | 23:57 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: cool! | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, buy my device, selling it for 2k | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | 201x? | 23:58 |
| b-man | kerio: it has some advantages, and i can | 23:58 |
| Lantizia | b-man, so your porting 9.04 to the N900? | 23:58 |
| b-man | xD | 23:58 |
| kerio | worst case scenario it's 9 years | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: wait, wut? | 23:58 |
| b-man | no, 9.10 | 23:58 |
| b-man | (Karmic) | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | Lantizia, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu | 23:58 |
| Lantizia | b-man, do Canonical provide an arm repo for 9.10? | 23:58 |
| kerio | how about 10.04? | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't work | 23:58 |
| b-man | Lantizia: yup - ports.ubuntu.com | 23:59 |
| Lantizia | wow | 23:59 |
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| b-man | kerio: the N900 has broken thumb support so it can't run lucid | 23:59 |
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| b-man | lucid requires thumb support | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | thumb? | 23:59 |
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