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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (Maybe only one process can use twl4030 adc and bme was chosen to pass on headphone socket status) brilliant :-) probably you hit the spot | 00:04 |
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| mece | pyther24, did you check the clock apps? flipclock anbd whatnot? | 00:07 |
| pyther24 | mece, do those both do alarms? | 00:07 |
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| pyther24 | Maybe if I use a song as an alarmtone I can get the desired effect for the alarm to last longer | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: maybe the secret nokia-av protocol is why bme can't be "opened" ;-) | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: secret nokia av protocol? please elaborate, you lost me | 00:15 |
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| ShadowJK | headset/headphone/playback_buttons/headset_button/tvout | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there's not much secret in there | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | Well Nokia considers it secret I think :P | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | parts of it atleast | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | citation needed | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | like the play/pause/stop/next/previous buttons (that don't work on n900 anyway) | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | though mic detection has spec on forum.nokia iirc | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf | 00:20 |
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| eitama_ | Hey guys. I'm trying to call fastSMS from a Qt application and something is not working for me, I am getting the following error : "The name it.rsc.fastsms was not provided by any .service files" | 00:21 |
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| eitama_ | Fast sms does register a dbus service : http://pastebin.com/Que6wubn | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: that's only audio, nothing about the controls | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | There seems to be two different signaling methods for the buttons too | 00:26 |
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| mece | threw fheroes2 into testing. I'll let it stew there while I'm on vacation. Let it gather some opinions ;) | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | One (presumably simpler?) for headsets with just one single answer button | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sems the extended controls in wired AV aren't supported on N900 anyway - at least in product specs and kernel/whatever | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | and a more complex system for headsets that have multiple buttons | 00:27 |
| pyther24 | Has anyone figured out how to listen to iheartradio an maemo? | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | I think someone managed to get single-button ones working | 00:27 |
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| asj__ | eitama_: I'm not a good dbus person, but I think you're missing something, it's not qt, it's dbus related. Just look up dbus service writting | 00:29 |
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| mece | pyther24, I cant test since it's US only, but what happens if you go to www.iheartradio.com/mediaplayer/ ? | 00:30 |
| eitama_ | asj, I am also sure I am missing something. But I don't know what ( | 00:30 |
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| eitama_ | and I have read a lot of docs | 00:30 |
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| pyther24 | mece, well I have to go to a direct stream and it takes like 5 minutes to load | 00:31 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:33 |
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| mece | yeah I'm out. tataa- | 00:35 |
| pcgeek | Can some please explain to me why I cannot downgraded my gsm firmware? thanks | 00:35 |
| pcgeek | Im so p!!! | 00:35 |
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| DrGrov | Finally got my Internet back. Damn ISP.... | 00:35 |
| pcgeek | As I can't be on the previous firmware with my network provider :( | 00:35 |
| DrGrov | Hello guys and girls | 00:35 |
| pcgeek | I downgraded the phones firmware but my gsm is on the one apparently installed by pr1.2 | 00:36 |
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| pcgeek | why? have this been done? | 00:36 |
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| pcgeek | Is there anyway to downgrade the gsm firmware? | 00:37 |
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| ShadowJK | The new firmware doesn't work? | 00:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Is there a bugreport? | 00:38 |
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| ShadowJK | And I think I saw once on talk.maemo.org a thread where people had figured out how to downgrade it.. | 00:38 |
| pcgeek | hmm Im researching it now | 00:38 |
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| pcgeek | I don't agree with this at all | 00:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Check that Network Mode in Settings->Phone is "Dual"... | 00:42 |
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| pcgeek | wont make any difference | 00:43 |
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| pcgeek | its now in a mix state | 00:43 |
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| pcgeek | brb | 00:43 |
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| steinex | Hi, short question: I want to flash my N900 with the FIASCO and the eMMC image. the tablet-dev.nokia.com site states: | 00:45 |
| steinex | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! | 00:45 |
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| steinex | however, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux states about the FIASCO image: "It should start flashing and then reboot." | 00:46 |
| steinex | so how do i do it? | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | I think if you give -r option to flasher the device is rebooted | 00:46 |
| b-man | exclude the -r argument while flashing | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | and if you leave it out it isn't | 00:47 |
| steinex | ah ok | 00:47 |
| b-man | nvm xD | 00:47 |
| steinex | thanks | 00:47 |
| b-man | w00t!!, my N900 successfully compiled qemu i386-softmmu without crashing | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: where does it state you should flash rootfs first?? | 00:48 |
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| steinex | DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php states this | 00:48 |
| steinex | DocScrutinizer: i wanted to ask the same because the wiki states to flash the eMMC first... | 00:48 |
| steinex | i should just flash eMMC first, right? | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL - they are wrong | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: yes | 00:49 |
| steinex | ok, thank you | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | steinex: actually if you don't reboot in between the two flash procedures, it's irrelevant | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if however you accidentally boot the device between the two, then it's better to have /-fs flashed *after* eMMC image | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | steinex: also note please you don't need to flash eMMC for a mere PR1.2 upgrade | 00:51 |
| steinex | DocScrutinizer: erm uhm | 00:52 |
| steinex | DocScrutinizer: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 00:52 |
| steinex | "Flashing the eMMC in the N900" | 00:52 |
| steinex | there is the same text: "When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!" | 00:52 |
| steinex | I'm confused. | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | key thing: don't reboot in between | 00:53 |
| steinex | ok, so i will now flash rootfs first | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: oops, I missed to fix this one obviously | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | brb | 00:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | steinex: thanks for pointing at it | 00:54 |
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| steinex | DocScrutinizer: ah, so it's definitely wrong and i need to flash eMMC first (really)? | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:54 |
| steinex | i trust you. :p | 00:54 |
| steinex | can i brick something seriously? | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | Not seeriously | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: though see ShadowJK ^^^ | 00:54 |
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| b-man | well, if you somehow wipe out the x-loader like i did with my N800... xD | 00:55 |
| steinex | DocScrutinizer: flashing eMMC is not well explained though... | 00:56 |
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| steinex | should i run the flasher-3.5 with usb cable plugged in and then just power up the phone? | 00:56 |
| b-man | yes | 00:56 |
| steinex | or do i need to press "u" like it is explained in flashing rootfs? | 00:56 |
| ShadowJK | start flasher before plugging in phone | 00:57 |
| b-man | you should do both | 00:57 |
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| steinex | Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA | 00:58 |
| steinex | FIASCO subimage data length mismatch | 00:58 |
| steinex | mhh... | 00:58 |
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| alterego | Corrupt download | 00:58 |
| steinex | this was the eMMC actually | 00:59 |
| alterego | Which is also a FIASCO image | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: some noob reverted my edits on wiki :-( | 00:59 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 01:00 |
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| ShadowJK | wiki vandalism :) | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&diff=36095&oldid=35655 | 01:00 |
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| b-man | hmm | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | god be fucking damned, I got fined on my push bike :( | 01:02 |
| pyther24 | crashanddie, how? | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | by the cops | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | because I was driving in a bus lane | 01:03 |
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| b-man | crashanddie: good thing you don't live in Davis California lol | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | I was wearing a helmet, a hi-viz vest, and hi-viz bracelets on my legs | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | 90 euros ($120) | 01:03 |
| crashanddie | what the fuck, seriously | 01:04 |
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| crashanddie | how can laws be so bloody degenerate? There's no busses after 9PM, it's 11PM, and I'm not allowed to ride in a bus lane? | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | Obviously your bike isn't registered as a bus :D | 01:04 |
| b-man | xD | 01:05 |
| pyther24 | crashanddie, are you able to fit it in court? | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie | no | 01:05 |
| crashanddie | well, i could, but I'm not going to bother | 01:05 |
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| crashanddie | the law says I'm wrong, and the police officer was there, so I'll get the fine anyhoo | 01:06 |
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| pyther24 | It is a stupid law | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | it's not like in the US, where the officer needs to be there if I uphold it | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | and you can't change laws in courts | 01:06 |
| steinex | hmmm | 01:06 |
| pyther24 | yah that sucks | 01:06 |
| steinex | i now have the usb icon on my n900 | 01:06 |
| steinex | but the flasher still says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 01:06 |
| pyther24 | what sucks more is the alarm clock! | 01:07 |
| b-man | steinex: you may need to re-connect | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: i'm going to court for drinking in a car | 01:07 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: because i refused to take fixed penalty | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: I got fined $16 because I was like 2 minutes late to my parking meter :/ | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | which is $1/hr | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | heh | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | battery too low, or a driver on your PC grabbing N900 before flasher can cause it | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | I saw another one that made me smiule | 01:08 |
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| crashanddie | smile** | 01:08 |
| pyther24 | jacekowski, I hope you weren't drinking alcohol | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | pyther24: just pepsi | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | in Montpellier, specific areas are 22euros a day for parking | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | pyther24: from a bottle | 01:08 |
| pyther24 | that sucks, in the USA or europe? | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | if you leave it there all day, and don't pay, you get a single 11euro fine | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | eu | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | I laughed onve when someone got fined for walking when the light was red | 01:08 |
| b-man | rofl | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | well, jaywalking can be dangerous | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | i was like WTF when he stopped me | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | but seriously, how the fuck do they justify this shit? | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: well, i was crossing on red light very often in front of police car | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | i mean on pedestrian crossing | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | after their light turned to green | 01:09 |
| b-man | jacekowski: i guess he got bored that day :) | 01:09 |
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| steinex | strange | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | The city planning office needs to take bus timetables into account and update the signs to allow bikes after busses stop running :) | 01:09 |
| steinex | it doesnt start to flash | 01:09 |
| wazd | Finaly I've done what I've wanted to do long time ago: http://habreffect.ru/files/f59/129a92edd/opera_n900.jpg | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | I got done for dangerous driving (and I was driving like an idiot) in a mountain pass, taking over people with really not enough space to do so, and managed to talk the cop into giving me the minimum fine, 27 euros | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | this is quite a few years ago | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | b-man: well, thing is that it's not illegal as such | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | I can't believe I'm going to pay nearly 4 times as much for CYCLING | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | b-man: so i might be able to win in court | 01:10 |
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| b-man | :) | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | it's illegal to do anything dangerous | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | but it's hard to say if drinking from a bottle is dangerous | 01:12 |
| pyther24 | did it have a straw? | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | i had to open it | 01:12 |
| * luke-jr happily writes Perl on his N810 whilest driving... | 01:13 | |
| pyther24 | luke-jr, :-/ | 01:13 |
| lcuk | wazd, add a few more bookmarks | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | so shit happens | 01:13 |
| * Mousey wishes he could buy a new n810 | 01:13 | |
| lcuk | thats unused | 01:13 |
| pyther24 | now that is dangerous | 01:13 |
| lcuk | haha mousey | 01:13 |
| Mousey | =( | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | my company doesn't have money to pay this month wages | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | and might go into administration soon | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | pyther24: j/k :) | 01:13 |
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| luke-jr | pyther24: I just run kismet :D | 01:14 |
| b-man | luke-jr: and i thought texting was dangerous xD | 01:14 |
| lcuk | pupnik has one - pristine! http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | so i'm looking for a new job | 01:14 |
| lcuk | Mousey, ^ | 01:14 |
| lcuk | hey b-man \o | 01:14 |
| lcuk | are you still da-man? | 01:14 |
| * Mousey clicks | 01:14 | |
| luke-jr | no! it's porn! | 01:14 |
| marcus | How can I tell Maemo 5 (n900) that my app is a portrait mode app? I've read something regarding FremantleAutoRotation module, but that's with rotation. | 01:14 |
| Jartza | I'm just looking for a new projects. | 01:14 |
| Mousey | man | 01:14 |
| b-man | LOL | 01:14 |
| Macer | hm | 01:14 |
| Mousey | type much? | 01:14 |
| Macer | microb kind of sucks | 01:15 |
| b-man | lcuk: ya | 01:15 |
| pyther24 | luke-jr, the said thing is that on my daily commute of 1 1/2hrs I see at least two people text and driving and I'm not even looking for it | 01:15 |
| pyther24 | s/said/sad | 01:15 |
| lcuk | wazd, install opera and make better screenshot including some extra links :) | 01:15 |
| luke-jr | pyther24: someone needs to port that Android speech recog IRC to Maemo ;) | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | it looks empty compared to the others | 01:15 |
| b-man | pupnik was doing some serious typing on his N810's kb 0_o | 01:15 |
| pyther24 | luke-jr, that would be really cool | 01:16 |
| steinex | hmm | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | b-man: or spilt on it... <.< | 01:17 |
| steinex | i did both flashes without -R | 01:17 |
| steinex | how can i reboot now? | 01:17 |
| puphome | spilt what, that's just wear and tear | 01:17 |
| steinex | or should i reflash with -R? | 01:17 |
| pyther24 | I should write a script that could auto disconnect my IM accounts | 01:17 |
| pyther24 | since the wireless network at work blocks all ports but 80 and 443 | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | pyther24: bypass it | 01:18 |
| * b-man is too obsessed in keeping is N900 in top shape >_< | 01:18 | |
| pyther24 | luke-jr, well I could do that but then I'd have to change the connections to connect via localhost | 01:18 |
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| pyther24 | and then change them back when I get home :-/ | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | pyther24: nah | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | just run OpenVPN on port 443 or such | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | or use a tap tunnel | 01:19 |
| pyther24 | luke-jr, could I do said activity for select ports? | 01:19 |
| pyther24 | Say keep 80 and 443 using the default network? | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | theoreticalyl, but why? :P | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | you'd need to use iptables to match those ports, and set a marker | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | then route different based on marker | 01:20 |
| pyther24 | why tunnel http traffic when local traffic is so much faster | 01:20 |
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| * wazd is drooling over bug-free Marina | 01:21 | |
| b-man | ~ping MohammadAG51 | 01:22 |
| infobot | pong MohammadAG51 | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | ~ping b-man | 01:22 |
| infobot | pong b-man | 01:22 |
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| puphome | copyright sucks | 01:22 |
| * MohammadAG51 pings DocScrutinizer | 01:22 | |
| puphome | we need to start killing lawyers | 01:22 |
| b-man | lol | 01:23 |
| b-man | there's too many in the U.S. | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | puphome: but we can't abolish copyright w/o lawyers! | 01:23 |
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| Cabletwitch | Yo | 01:23 |
| puphome | i'd like to prove you wrong luke-jr | 01:23 |
| puphome | not gonna happen though, sorry | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | puphome: I'd like you to, as well | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | Cabletwitch: Hello Maemo user | 01:24 |
| Cabletwitch | Yep, that'd be me. | 01:24 |
| b-man | gah, too much assembler messages from gcc xP | 01:24 |
| b-man | *many | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | love it when qemu segfaults | 01:25 |
| Cabletwitch | Well, more maemo breaker, but I guess I have to use it to break it. | 01:25 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: that's what i'm compiling right now xD | 01:25 |
| b-man | on my N900 xD | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | qemu compilation ON the N900? | 01:26 |
| b-man | yup | 01:26 |
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| * luke-jr is semi-scared to install Gentoo on N900 | 01:26 | |
| Cabletwitch | That sounds suspiciously like masochism. | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | on my N810, it's on a MicroSD that I can just replace... | 01:27 |
| b-man | luke-jr: i've ran it :) | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | but I'm scared to put Gentoo on any kind of internal flash drive | 01:27 |
| b-man | heh | 01:27 |
| * luke-jr wonders if a spare 2 GB MicroSD mounted as /var/tmp and swap would make it work | 01:27 | |
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| pyther24 | is it possible to get the virtual keyboard in the web browser? | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (6 of 1089) sys-devel/m4-1.4.12 | 01:28 |
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| steinex | is nokia messagine pure push email? | 01:40 |
| steinex | is it nice? | 01:40 |
| steinex | messaging* | 01:40 |
| steinex | i think to use it instead several imap-accounts for not-so-draining my battery | 01:40 |
| pyther24 | I should probably do some work | 01:40 |
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| asj | steinex: it used to work for me | 01:40 |
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| jaem | 'Afternoon | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ' | 01:57 |
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| jaem | SpeedEvil, the '\'' is for "Good" :P | 01:57 |
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| jef91 | When MeeGo comes out tomorrow for handsets, does that mean N900 support? | 01:57 |
| haltdef | no official n900 support afaik | 01:58 |
| jaem | jef91, potentially, I would think, in the sense that the community would have something to run on said phone. It doesn't mean any more or less than we previously heard, though. | 01:58 |
| asj | jef91: of course it does. And remember when quoting me to say "some random guy on irc said so" | 01:58 |
| jef91 | I didn't say anything about official | 01:58 |
| jaem | asj, win. :) | 01:58 |
| jef91 | Okie dokie. Think we will be able to dual boot it with Maemo? | 01:59 |
| jaem | jef91, I'm not sure of the status of the port. But yeah, having the UI/UX layer kind of helps. | 01:59 |
| jaem | jef91, I think there's a thread on that. | 01:59 |
| jef91 | Cool, I'll have to go poke around tmo | 01:59 |
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| jaem | jef91, I'll have to check as well. All of our handsets are allocated right now, so I won't be able to borrow a spare to try it out :P | 02:00 |
| jaem | If you find anything useful on that, please throw a link my way. | 02:01 |
| jef91 | I'm assuming they will release for n900 tomorrow | 02:01 |
| jef91 | what else would they release? The nexus one or the iphone? | 02:01 |
| jaem | jef91, definitely the iPhone. ;) | 02:01 |
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| jaem | Because Steve is totally cool with running third-party OSes on it. | 02:02 |
| jaem | Heh | 02:02 |
| * MohammadAG51 wraps sarcasm tags | 02:02 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:02 |
| jef91 | LOL | 02:02 |
| raster | steve is a stand-up bloke | 02:02 |
| jef91 | I watching the fryo port closely to n900 | 02:02 |
| jef91 | Hoping to try boot t3h sexy n900 some day ;) | 02:02 |
| * raster loves steviepoos and everything he touches | 02:02 | |
| MohammadAG51 | steve like reinventing stuff | 02:02 |
| jaem | raster, he stands up all the time... it's what he says while standing up that's the problem. | 02:02 |
| asj | jef91: they would release it for desktop x86 | 02:02 |
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| raster | jaem: </sarcasm> :) | 02:03 |
| raster | (yeah.... i dont open my tags. i just close them. you get to guess where they opened :)) | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | steinex: imap poll probably isn't the battery killer | 02:03 |
| asj | raster: right after the last one closes? | 02:03 |
| jaem | raster, that's pretty standard... | 02:03 |
| jaem | asj, *badum-pssh* | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, znc down :) | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: the ' is for both good, and evening. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: :-D o/ | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: /me is lazy. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: oops | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | Caught oops, dying | 02:04 |
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| raster | jaem: :) don't worry - we're on the same page :) i just saw some opportunity for fun :) | 02:05 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: pants! | 02:05 |
| raster | asj: hehehe | 02:05 |
| * SpeedEvil wants meego image tomorrow, that can run android apps, with a nice opensource everything (including wifi firmware). | 02:05 | |
| jef91 | pffff | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: box down :-( | 02:05 |
| jef91 | keep dreaming speedevil | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Handwriting recognition, voice recognition. | 02:05 |
| * raster keeps lurking and monitoring all the meego stuffsors from afar | 02:06 | |
| jef91 | I would settle for full n900 support | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Me too. | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | See above. | 02:06 |
| jef91 | Not "offcial support" | 02:06 |
| crashanddie | I would settle for a $200k cheque from Nokia | 02:06 |
| jef91 | Just full support | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not full support unless it can do semaphore. | 02:07 |
| asj | crashanddie: why only $200k? | 02:07 |
| raster | chances are that inside nokia they have been busy working on meego on a next-gen product after the n900 | 02:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, tsk tsk tsk :p | 02:07 |
| raster | and are loathe to spend the time and effort to back-port to n900 | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | asj: why only "full support"? | 02:07 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders semaphore recognition on the front camera. | 02:07 | |
| raster | and thus no official meego - but they likely will toss it over the wall and go "hey - here. make your own n900 port" | 02:07 |
| raster | :) | 02:07 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: you need to shoot geneven once and for all | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I wouldn't be astonished that the n900 is the targeted platform. | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I'm sick and tired of his threads popping up all the time | 02:08 |
| jef91 | If it has the maemo kernel compents all the hardware will work | 02:08 |
| ljp | n900 is a reference platform for meego... | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: pm | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | ljp: please leave your cave every once in a while | 02:08 |
| crashanddie | is everyone just shutting up because they're hoping to see a trollfight? | 02:10 |
| raster | SpeedEvil: i'd actually be surprised if it is :) | 02:10 |
| * ljp wonders what part of "reference platform" do people not understand | 02:11 | |
| raster | but hey... it's nokia. they may work differently - but in my experience r&d inc ompaneis is already using a next gen prototype when the current one is out the door as a product | 02:11 |
| raster | and thus all their software work is on that - not the previous bit of hw | 02:11 |
| raster | (generally speaking) | 02:11 |
| jef91 | are there plans for an n910 like there was an n810? | 02:13 |
| ljp | nope. we dont work on prototypes | 02:13 |
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| raster | ljp: how interesting | 02:13 |
| jaem | jef91, Anybody's guess at this point. | 02:13 |
| * raster re-arranges his collection of prototypes | 02:13 | |
| jaem | It would be nice, but don't hold your breath. | 02:13 |
| jef91 | Personally I really like Maemo | 02:14 |
| jef91 | but maybe it is just that rpm based distros worry me | 02:14 |
| jaem | jef91, meh... from the point of view of someone who occasionally has to package stuff, I dislike debian and rpm packages. :P | 02:14 |
| jef91 | what do you prefer jaem? | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | debian packages ftw | 02:14 |
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| jaem | If I can get a mostly- or entirely FOSS phone that actually is awesome, heck with the packaging format. | 02:15 |
| jaem | jef91, I use Arch, which is pretty darn simple to use. Sure it's not as powerful, but it doesn't get in my way. | 02:15 |
| luke-jr | jaem: you can't | 02:16 |
| jaem | That's strictly an opinion from a user/occasional-packager perspective; I don't have any deep knowledge of the technical aspects of any of the systems. | 02:16 |
| jaem | luke-jr, pretend I didn't say that. | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/suspend - what's in there? | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | though I did come across someone who is working on a free GSM client implemetnation | 02:16 |
| jaem | luke-jr, yes, you did. | 02:16 |
| jaem | At least, I think you were here when someone mentioned it. | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | nah, it was in #FSF :) | 02:16 |
| jef91 | I have been meaning to try Arch jaem, but it doesn't like my wired network card on my laptop for some reason last I tried (few months back) | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | I only saw OpenBTS (GSM *service*) mentioned here | 02:17 |
| jaem | I just meant that the N900 is (IMO) better than its competitors in the major points that I care about, so I consider packaging trivial in that context. | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | would be awesome if a major government realized that CompanyX making both hardware and the software included on it was a monopolistic practice | 02:17 |
| jaem | jef91, I've had some issues with setup on laptops. What I usually do is to use the Chakra Project's Alpha5 LiveCD to do the initial install/config, then strip it down and reinstall stock KDE/whatever. | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | and forced hardware manufs to just deliver hardware | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: wouldn't be legal to sell it alas. | 02:18 |
| jaem | jef91, I can PM you if you want some advice on that | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | and let software developers brand and sell the finished product | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: and the open GSM stack is the other half of openbts | 02:18 |
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| luke-jr | now if only someone made an open CDMA stack and ported it to the N900's modem... | 02:19 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: any ideas on what is in /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/suspend? | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Only evil! I once looked at that file, and my head completely fell off, nad exploded. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Fortunately, I got better. | 02:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | As I understand it all devices have /suspend dirs - look at them. | 02:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I thin they are something to do with suspending. | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Thouhg I haven't looked deeper than that. | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (that is - it's unlikely to be directly o do with USB suspends) | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | well that's usb suspend status | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | and it seems to be otg related | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | but i'm not really in a mood to go deeper into that pile of crap | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm not properly woken up. | 02:25 |
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| b-man | something tells me compiling the x86_64-softmmu target of qemu on my N900 isn't going to go well... | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm not a something b-man | 02:27 |
| b-man | LOL | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | does LED 4 fails on all phones? | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | nice test | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | says OK here | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | so it's only mine that fails | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 'ok | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | good evening ok? | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, decide on one meaning for ' please :P | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It means anything I want it to mean | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | In this case, it was a mistyped " | 02:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | and I forgot the trailing one | 02:31 |
| jaem | jacekowski, messing around in /sys/, are we? | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: | 02:32 |
| * b-man waits for his N900 to commit suicide from trying to run x86-64 emulation | 02:32 | |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, oh, and I fixed the package in -testing (the one you reported a license bug against) | 02:32 |
| jacekowski | jaem: we're messing around with bme and i found that while looking around | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, that's nice and all, but useless to me :( | 02:33 |
| jaem | jacekowski, heh... I remember fiddling with the self-tests in there a while back... | 02:33 |
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| _Lucretia_ | hi, I have a need to build my own toolchain, can someone point me at a document which will point me in the right direction? thanks | 02:34 |
| jaem | I was worried about the accelerometers until I realized that the fact that I was on a train *might* have caused issues with that feature. :P | 02:34 |
| _Lucretia_ | SpeedEvil: hi : | 02:34 |
| jaem | _Lucretia_, out of curiousity, why? | 02:34 |
| _Lucretia_ | why do people always ask why? | 02:34 |
| jaem | I'm not sure. Why do you think/ | 02:35 |
| lcuk | ok, building your own toolchain in what system? x86 or direct on arm? | 02:35 |
| jaem | ...sorry | 02:35 |
| _Lucretia_ | need an arm compiler | 02:35 |
| lcuk | to run directly on arm? | 02:35 |
| _Lucretia_ | jaem: I intend to port the exception handling mechanism in gnat to arm | 02:35 |
| jaem | Actually, that reminds me... has anyone tried doing native compilation for Maemo? | 02:35 |
| lcuk | yes jaem | 02:35 |
| lcuk | often | 02:35 |
| _Lucretia_ | nope, I want to develop on my desktop, but the compiler is for arm, so may as well use my n900 as the base | 02:35 |
| asj | _Lucretia_: because people who normally need to build their own toolchain don't need to ask | 02:35 |
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| jacekowski | people that do it ussualy get old | 02:35 |
| jaem | lcuk, you were working on-device, right? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | _Lucretia_, go and read up on scratchbox and follow what they do then | 02:36 |
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| jaem | I was actually meaning on a rather faster ARM machine. | 02:36 |
| _Lucretia_ | asj: well, I can build my own toolchain, I'm just not sure how to do it for scratchbox | 02:36 |
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| lcuk | people dont normally build their own toolchain because theres a whole metric shittonne of emulation in the way | 02:36 |
| jef91 | anyone know if clisp was ported to maemo yet? | 02:36 |
| jef91 | I *Really* want a CAS on my n900 :-/ | 02:36 |
| lcuk | jaem, not at the moment but thats for different reasons | 02:36 |
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| jaem | lcuk, Ah. Is it annoying/impractical to set up at the moment? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | its easier than ever :) | 02:37 |
| jaem | jef91, I think there's something in Python that does basic stuff. | 02:37 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: it's slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | 02:37 |
| lcuk | pr1.2 gives enough space on / to install build-essential without messing | 02:37 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, for you maybe | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | >>> Emerging (23 of 1092) sys-apps/which-2.20 | 02:37 |
| jef91 | jaem there is not a Python based CAS as far as I know | 02:37 |
| jaem | lcuk, Sorry. I'm asking how hard it is to set up a native build environment for Maemo on a random ARM server somewheres | 02:37 |
| lcuk | but my apps build in ~10seconds from extraction, or if i change a couple of files take 2-3seconds | 02:37 |
| lcuk | so - i dont moan | 02:37 |
| jaem | jef91, well, it's not really a CAS, but I think there's an app that does basic symbolic stuff. | 02:37 |
| jef91 | Yea, I want fall CAS power - something like maxima | 02:38 |
| lcuk | jaem, i dunno, thats technically still cross compiling | 02:38 |
| jef91 | full CAS* | 02:38 |
| jaem | lcuk, right... | 02:38 |
| lcuk | i just build in the OS itself | 02:38 |
| lcuk | > make | 02:38 |
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| luke-jr | jaem: does it support the same CPU features? just setup OpenVZ | 02:38 |
| lcuk | > ./project | 02:38 |
| jaem | jef91, Maybe take a look at XCAS - it has Maple-compatible syntax, although I haven't used it much. | 02:38 |
| jaem | The current UI is terrible. | 02:38 |
| jef91 | it works on the n900? | 02:38 |
| jaem | luke-jr, I haven't found that out yet - I was just curious if it was worth pursuing | 02:39 |
| jaem | jef91, Presumably it could, but there's no port... and see the comment about the UI. | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | jaem: I think it'd be quicker to emulate an ARM system on x86 | 02:39 |
| jaem | I think it's in FLTK or something. | 02:39 |
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| jaem | luke-jr, Okay, thanks. | 02:39 |
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| luke-jr | not just quicker to setup, quicker to use | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | and compile | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, is it possible to edit cal on device? | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | just emulate the CPU (qemu-user), not the hardware | 02:39 |
| jaem | jef91, I've been hoping someone would do a port for a while, but it doesn't seem to have much mainstream popularity | 02:39 |
| lcuk | and copy across and install and run | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: yes | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, how? | 02:40 |
| jef91 | this is really neat jaem - thanks! | 02:40 |
| jaem | jef91, which? | 02:40 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: #include <cal.h> | 02:40 |
| jef91 | XCAS | 02:40 |
| jef91 | This might replace wxMaxima for me | 02:40 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: gcc -lcal yourapp.c | 02:40 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and you call it like that | 02:40 |
| jaem | jef91, ah, yeah, it looked interesting. The main attraction for me is that I will probably have to use Maple at uni at some point, and didn't want to have to learn something else as well. | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | struct cal *cal_s; | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | cal_init (&cal_s) | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | cal_write_block (cal_s, "usb_host_mode", &rd_mode_string, 1, CAL_FLAG_USER); | 02:41 |
| jef91 | I'm a 3rd year math student jaem | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | or no flags | 02:41 |
| jef91 | CAS = very useful now and then | 02:41 |
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| jacekowski | just NULL there | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | and then cal_finis(cal_s) | 02:42 |
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| jaem | jef91, heh... well, if I had the time, I'd certainly be interested in working on a port. | 02:42 |
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| jaem | I'm kind of busy now, though. | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | and to read it | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | cal_read_block (cal_s, "bme", &tmp, &len, 0); | 02:42 |
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| jef91 | they have an arm package jaem | 02:42 |
| jef91 | downloading it now | 02:42 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and i think maximum len size is around 1.5k | 02:43 |
| jaem | jef91, IIRC that's really old, and probably won't work on Maemo. | 02:43 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: well, maximum block size | 02:43 |
| jaem | Feel free to prove me wrong, though. | 02:43 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: data can't be deleted from cal | 02:44 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and you have to use same flags for reading and writing | 02:45 |
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| jacekowski | good night | 02:46 |
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| jaem | night | 02:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, so it's not really safe to do it | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | (to enable/disable rd mode on the device itself) | 02:51 |
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| pupnik | remember when we used yahoo and altavista? | 03:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil remembers archie. | 03:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | (vaguely) | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | And veronica. | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.hulu.com/plus hmmmm. | 03:54 |
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| pyther24 | SpeedEvil, archie as in archlinux archie? | 03:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine | 03:59 |
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| asj | and archie though index ftp servers was hard | 04:01 |
| pupnik | heh | 04:01 |
| pupnik | remember gopher? | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair - at the time - bandwidth was doubleplusuncheap | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:53:06 AM) SpeedEvil: And veronica. | 04:02 |
| pupnik | that originated from the geeks at UMN and champaign urbana | 04:02 |
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| asj | SpeedEvil: and cpu time was expensive, etc. I love the refresh rate, once a month. The internet was a lot less dynamic back then eh? | 04:03 |
| asj | pupnik: of course, and had the license on the server not been horrible...we might all be using gopher | 04:03 |
| pupnik | The original Gopher system was released in late spring of 1991 by Mark McCahill, Farhad Anklesaria, Paul Lindner, Daniel Torrey, Adam Huminsky, and Bob Alberti of the University of Minnesota. | 04:03 |
| pupnik | i knew those guys | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Biblically? | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:04 |
| pupnik | nope, occasional chat | 04:04 |
| asj | (ok it was horrible, but it was troublesome enough that companies just couldn't use it willy nilly) | 04:04 |
| pupnik | i didn't know that asj | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Timblee pops into another channel I'm in on occasion. | 04:04 |
| pupnik | that suxks | 04:04 |
| asj | pupnik: you had to pay a license fee based on revenue | 04:05 |
| asj | err, earnings | 04:05 |
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| pupnik | aha the u of mn did that in 1993 - some wanker | 04:08 |
| asj | of course html+http was just so much more flexible, who knows how it would have turned out. | 04:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have - relatively - few complaints about http | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | html could havebeen better in many ways | 04:09 |
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| pupnik | i would have preferred a page-description languuage | 04:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean minor syntax tweaks mainly. | 04:10 |
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| pupnik | server can deliver different documents to different size client screens | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - <img src | 04:10 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: it certainly changed the internet | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Why not a general embed tag? | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - sure. | 04:10 |
| asj | pupnik: ah, but that's exactly what html 1.0 didn't want to do | 04:11 |
| pupnik | good question SpeedEvil | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Before the www, you had to actually type the name of the porn file. | 04:11 |
| pupnik | rn | 04:11 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: too flexible and too much work. at first it was hard enough for a lot of environments to get images to display, much less other content and their controls | 04:12 |
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| asj | can't forget about uudecode | 04:14 |
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| asj | oh no you don'tM | 04:16 |
| asj | (and if you understand that...you're an old fart) | 04:17 |
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| ljp | I dont get it | 04:27 |
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| pupnik | yeah i was so happy when tin came out SpeedEvil | 04:32 |
| pupnik | still wasted too much time in newsgroups | 04:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | The proper google search for me reveals >60000 hits on usenet. | 04:35 |
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| pupnik | wow | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | OTOH - I did learn a lot. | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Primarily that shortly after canter and siegal - choosing to send a unique email address per post to track spam may not be a good idea. | 04:37 |
| pupnik | that explains a lot | 04:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | At one point, I hit 8% of my ISPs incoming email. (mortgage spam bounces) | 04:38 |
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| pupnik | i am enjoying being an internet olde phart | 04:40 |
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| pigeon | pupnik: i just installed pingus on the n900 under debian chroot, it actually works quite well. | 05:02 |
| pigeon | i probably haven't got audio properly setup under the chroot, so i have to disable sound and music, but hey. | 05:02 |
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| pupnik | no hiccups during play? | 05:03 |
| pigeon | no | 05:04 |
| pigeon | at least no the first few levels | 05:04 |
| pupnik | hmph :) | 05:04 |
| pupnik | maybe he fixed it | 05:04 |
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| pigeon | who's he? | 05:05 |
| pupnik | author, forgot his name | 05:05 |
| pigeon | right | 05:05 |
| pigeon | more can be done to improve it on the n900, like fullscreen mode, etc | 05:07 |
| pigeon | -f doesn't work properly | 05:07 |
| pupnik | http://grumbel.blogspot.com/ there's his blog | 05:07 |
| pupnik | make levels :) | 05:08 |
| pigeon | ah | 05:13 |
| ptl | can't it be compiled for N900 without easy-debian? | 05:13 |
| pigeon | probably, just i haven't. | 05:13 |
| pupnik | oh dear, grumbel reveals major suckiness in mass effect 2 :) | 05:16 |
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| pupnik | http://code.google.com/p/galapix/ this could an interesting image viewer for tablet | 05:30 |
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| pigeon | does it just use mipmaps or something? how does it handle textures? | 05:35 |
| pupnik | it caches | 05:39 |
| pupnik | http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa10-01.html critical security flaw in flash <= 10.0.45.2 | 05:40 |
| asj | flash, the sendmail of the 21st century! | 05:42 |
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| LiraNuna_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34095 | 06:22 |
| LiraNuna_ | hehe, working on one \:D/ | 06:22 |
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| saint | LiraNuna_: yea, I'm thinking of investing in a N900... but want good navigation. :-S | 06:36 |
| LiraNuna_ | still prototyping, though - I'm trying to see what's better for battery life | 06:37 |
| LiraNuna_ | I've looked at Mappero but it uses what seems to be software acceleration of bliting | 06:37 |
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| saint | LiraNuna_: so sorry, what exactly are you working on creating? | 06:39 |
| LiraNuna_ | a Google Map client | 06:39 |
| saint | LiraNuna_: wow. | 06:40 |
| saint | LiraNuna_: :-) | 06:40 |
| ptl | cool! | 06:40 |
| ptl | with routing capabilities? | 06:41 |
| LiraNuna_ | hopefully :D | 06:41 |
| saint | LiraNuna_: would be nice if you could download maps and not need a net connection.... | 06:41 |
| LiraNuna_ | saint, scraping maps is against google's TOD | 06:41 |
| LiraNuna_ | TOS* | 06:41 |
| saint | LiraNuna_: a road trip in many parts of the world can be tough if you need a connection - cost or coverage. | 06:41 |
| saint | LiraNuna_: yea... | 06:41 |
| LiraNuna_ | I'm going to aim for everything I hate about Ovi Maps | 06:42 |
| LiraNuna_ | 1) launch speed | 06:42 |
| LiraNuna_ | 2) scrolling speed | 06:42 |
| LiraNuna_ | 3) better search | 06:42 |
| asj | 4) running maps while on the motorcycle and in a tank bag, the n900 gets too hot and shutsdown | 06:43 |
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| LiraNuna_ | ouch | 06:43 |
| saint | asj: lol | 06:43 |
| asj | the australian sun is hot, unlike the UK or Finish sun at midday, but a GPS that won't turn on is beyond useless | 06:44 |
| saint | asj: ahh, a fellow Aussie. | 06:45 |
| saint | asj: yea, +1 | 06:45 |
| ljp | you can always use a paper GPS :) | 06:45 |
| asj | ljp: tried once...but at 100km they are hard to read and hold... | 06:45 |
| asj | especially after it wraps around your helmet | 06:46 |
| saint | asj: you're obviously just riding too fast ;-) | 06:46 |
| asj | saint: you work for the queensland police dept? ;) | 06:46 |
| saint | asj: there's so many 40km/h road work sites in Oz, ... just check the paper GPS then ;-) | 06:46 |
| ljp | asj: just have to follow the white dotted line | 06:46 |
| asj | saint: I can't do that, I' | 06:47 |
| asj | m too busy looking for photo radar | 06:47 |
| saint | asj: hah | 06:47 |
| saint | asj: build a cooling unit for your N900 and market it ;-) | 06:48 |
| saint | asj: you with Optus? | 06:48 |
| asj | saint: nope, telstra | 06:48 |
| saint | asj: ahh.. don't miss NextG I suppose? | 06:48 |
| saint | (sorry if this is too off-topic for the channel) | 06:48 |
| asj | saint: in the city it isn't a problem, when traveling I have an n97 I can carry that does 850 | 06:49 |
| saint | asj: *nod* | 06:49 |
| asj | telstra 850mhz 3g has amazing coverage, but there's no speed to it, normally it seems around 256kbit if I guessed | 06:50 |
| asj | in far rural locations of course | 06:50 |
| saint | asj: I figure, since I need a new device, and need a keyboard, ssh, openvpn, browser, ... and pref. also GPS nagivation.... the N900 is still the best bet out there, whether w/ Maemo or MeeGo... | 06:50 |
| saint | asj: *nod* | 06:51 |
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| asj | saint: I'm pleased with it, I wish they woulnd't have crippled ovi maps though | 06:52 |
| saint | asj: that's my biggest disappointment from what I've read, also | 06:52 |
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| asj | saint: it's a great geek device, especially if you're willing to accept it's rough spots for the good bits | 06:53 |
| saint | I really wonder about Nokia's ... sanity ... with some of what they seem to be doing. hrm. | 06:53 |
| saint | great potential, ideas, technology... just not all wrapped up. | 06:54 |
| saint | I don't profess to have a complete picture though. | 06:54 |
| saint | :-) | 06:54 |
| asj | mmm, sometimes turning the Titanic takes years while poeple have snowball fights on the deck | 06:55 |
| saint | its a tough market, with lots of stuff to try and keep supporting. | 06:55 |
| saint | asj: indeed. | 06:55 |
| saint | asj: you tried the latest 1.2 update w/ Ovi Maps and the map downloader, I presume? better than what was first available? | 06:58 |
| asj | saint: no, I've never used the map downloader | 06:58 |
| asj | I'm told it works | 06:58 |
| saint | asj: I read that apparently the map downloader can now work, and a number of non-working / crippled things from before now kinda work in the latest. | 06:58 |
| asj | the biggest crippled item is turn by turn directions, they have all the info there, except the live tracking and recalculatiopn | 06:59 |
| saint | kinda odd, that they cannot ... get the logic running after ... six, nine, .. mths? | 07:03 |
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| asj | saint: I think it's a consious descision, there's either a licsense key or data xfer they don't want published. Due to the lack of drm and full access to the kernel anyone could copy it and they would lose IP | 07:05 |
| saint | asj: yea! was thinking the same. would explain a lot. | 07:06 |
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| asj | saint: while it's more complicated than "they're retarded" the software works fairly well, so they've got 95% done and can't figure out the last 5? | 07:07 |
| saint | asj: I have a Nokia N95 also... no Ovi Maps 3.0.3 for that either, hah. | 07:08 |
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| asj | well the n95 is pretty old <shrug> | 07:08 |
| saint | asj: yea, guess it misses the cut off - there always has to be one. I'm not like one of those bitter ranting anti-Nokia trolls *g* | 07:10 |
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| asj | saint: there's so many n95s out there you figure they would do it for the good will...but maybe it provides an upgrade insentive. The n95 has a poor gps receiver anyways... <dunno> | 07:13 |
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| saint | asj: on that, I've oft argued that good will _IS_ the upgrade incentive. | 07:20 |
| saint | asj: what makes me buy another of the same brand ... being treated nicely. | 07:21 |
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| saint | asj: if its a technical limitation e.g. poor transmitter, then you can basically say, "we would, but we can't", otherwise its "we went to the effort because wehn you buy Nokia, you buy a life long relationship" | 07:22 |
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| * saint wonders if anybody from Nokia's Marketing department wants to offer him a job yet. | 07:22 | |
| saint | lol | 07:22 |
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| D-Iivil | zzz... good... zzzz.... morning .... | 07:23 |
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| D-Iivil | how can a man be this tired :O | 07:28 |
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| D-Iivil | oh well, time for work. | 07:32 |
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| flux | sar3th, no idea, it's been eons since I've ran it the lastime | 07:34 |
| sar3th | flux: fsck.vfat -a /dev/... | 07:37 |
| sar3th | fixed it | 07:37 |
| sar3th | :) | 07:37 |
| sar3th | no important data loss too | 07:37 |
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| luke-jr | saint: what? Nokia doesn't even finish what they promise historically, let alone maintain the device for life... | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | be realistic XD | 07:39 |
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| saint | luke-jr: mhmm. certainly, a lot of N900 owners feel pretty let down. its a pity given the hardware and the potential. | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | saint: N900 is "present"; historically = N8x0, 770 | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | Nokia does seem to be improving, I'll give them that | 07:43 |
| saint | luke-jr: ack | 07:43 |
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| Termana | yello | 07:49 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:49 |
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| RST38h | On a related subject, does anyone know of a reliable ways to detect *finger* taps in N900? | 08:38 |
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| MiXu- | On the screen or the acceleometer? | 08:39 |
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| MiXu- | Well if you're after screen tap events I'm sure there's a way to get them from the x server somehow :) | 08:45 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: it is safe | 08:45 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Jaffa, good morning | 09:18 |
| * D-Iivili_Work is now _almost_ awake | 09:18 | |
| Jaffa | :) | 09:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | It's amazing what four cups of coffee can do to a man. | 09:19 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Slept like three hours last night. | 09:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | caffeine = nitrous oxide equivalent for the heart | 09:25 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | psycho_oreos, caffeine = the only thing that mostly keeps me going | 09:26 |
| psycho_oreos | D-Iivili_Work, lol I can relate, but once caffeine wears out, you'll crash.. and crash fairly hard.. the more caffeine you have the harder you'll end up crashing | 09:27 |
| psycho_oreos | like going to bed | 09:27 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Regular amount of coffee during working day is like 8-12 cups for me. Plus two or three in the morning before heading to work :P | 09:27 |
| * psycho_oreos used to have 600 mg of caffeine (roughly equivalent to 6 cups of coffee) a day.. other times its at least 2x500ml energy drinks or even 4 | 09:28 | |
| LiraNuna_ | !bug 6615 | 09:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 Battery Dies Under 6 Hours with Very Moderate Use (Static IP?) | 09:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol I was about to beat you until you say you have 8-12 :D | 09:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | I think 1000mg of caffeine was my maximum hit in one day (roughly equivalent to 10 cups of coffee) | 09:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | psycho_oreos, the 8-12 was the amount during working day :-D | 09:31 |
| psycho_oreos | but yeah I can't continue drinking coffee after caffeine wears out on me.. the extra added benefits just doesn't want to stack up.. so I still end up crashing.. and pretty hard | 09:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | D-Iivili_Work, yeah like I said, I lost heavily lol :) I thought I was pretty insane, taking roughly 10 cups | 09:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/images/av-test_table_0610.jpg | 09:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | … note the yellow bar :) | 09:35 |
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| ham5 | I can duplicate a crash in netmon | 10:09 |
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| ham5 | if you go switch to offline mode and back while the program is running it will hang | 10:10 |
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| KnightStalker | Hello,my fMMS will tell me that its receiving something when I receive an MMS but in few seconds it says Unable to retrive | 10:16 |
| KnightStalker | any ideas? | 10:16 |
| KnightStalker | "Downloading MMS (push)" => something like that | 10:17 |
| ham5 | didnt think the n900 did mms | 10:17 |
| KnightStalker | fMMS does MMS | 10:17 |
| KnightStalker | oh nvm it,just connected via GPRS and tried it again,and it worked | 10:18 |
| KnightStalker | Sorry | 10:18 |
| KnightStalker | :P | 10:18 |
| TigerTael | gfn5 | 10:19 |
| TigerTael | oops | 10:19 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, set connection mode to Havoc @ fmms settings and it will automaticly connect to correct network when you're receiving or sending stuff. | 10:22 |
| KnightStalker | oh thx! | 10:22 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, allthough it's much slower (takes time to send or receive), but you don't need to manually change the connection every time you need to play with MMSses | 10:23 |
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| mersad | hello | 10:26 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | hello | 10:29 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Aaah.. he quit already | 10:29 |
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| * D-Iivili_Work strugling with usb networking | 10:31 | |
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| Appiah | D-Iivili_Work: you can do it! | 10:31 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Appiah, heh, thanks for the support. | 10:32 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I just don't get it. I get the networking up and running in the phone (ifconfig usb0 shows the ip etc) and I get the custom drivers being installed to the PC, but I still cant get the ssh connection working :-/ | 10:33 |
| KnightStalker | how you got ifconfig working on phone? <3 | 10:34 |
| KnightStalker | so thats possible to get tunneled IPv6 work as well via ifconfig right? ;P | 10:34 |
| KnightStalker | and anyways,I never tried to ssh through usb,but openssh-client works when I tried to SSH to my machine via internet | 10:34 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, SSH is working fine through wi-fi or GMS network. I just want to get the usb-way working also. | 10:35 |
| * D-Iivili_Work does not have a wifi -connection at his summer house atm | 10:35 | |
| MiXu- | Install usbnetworking package from repos (was it fremantle tools) | 10:36 |
| KnightStalker | eh,no idea about ifconfig? :s | 10:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MiXu-, aaa! I missed that step while reading th wikipage | 10:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, hold on | 10:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, dunno what you want to do with ifconfig, but it's working on my phone: http://www.pastie.org/1024680 | 10:37 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, you just need to be root first | 10:38 |
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| KnightStalker | oh yes! | 10:38 |
| KnightStalker | It works with sudo! | 10:38 |
| KnightStalker | That will be incredible if I can use ifconfig to tunnel Ipv6 :D | 10:38 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, or after you've sudo gainrooted yourself | 10:38 |
| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, or through SSH etc etc | 10:39 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Now it's time to drink some more coffee and smoke some more cigarettes => | 10:40 |
| KnightStalker | bad address 'inet6' =( | 10:40 |
| KnightStalker | didn't work out XD | 10:40 |
| KnightStalker | D-livil_Work,cya :P | 10:41 |
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| petteri | IPv6 is not enabled on default maemo kernel | 10:41 |
| KnightStalker | oh,can we do something to get it enabled? | 10:42 |
| D-Iivili_Work | does power kernel has it enabled? | 10:42 |
| petteri | there is custom kernel with IPv6 | 10:42 |
| KnightStalker | whats the custom kernel name? | 10:42 |
| petteri | don't know, haven't used it | 10:43 |
| petteri | sorry | 10:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | will check it in a minute... | 10:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Seems to be enabled: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#IPv6 | 10:43 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, so just download the Kernel Power from extras-devel or testing and install it and then reboot. Voila, you have IPv6 and also possibility to overclock the device easily | 10:44 |
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| KnightStalker | Wow,thats incredible! | 10:45 |
| KnightStalker | <3 | 10:45 |
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| pahartik | KnightStalker: "iproute" is recommended instead of "ifconfig" and "route"... | 10:48 |
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| ZogG | \o/ | 10:55 |
| ZogG | holla | 10:55 |
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| pahartik | KnightStalker: Also, one can take "aiccu" and "radvd" from Debian and move them manually to "/opt/" | 10:55 |
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| ZogG | i want to burn bluray with my n900 =))) | 10:56 |
| KnightStalker | lol | 10:56 |
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| ZogG | KnightStalker, not funny, i want to burn PS3 games, so i can play them on emulator for n900 =) | 10:59 |
| joga | good luck with that :p | 10:59 |
| KnightStalker | eh,PSX also can play PS3 games? | 10:59 |
| KnightStalker | OMG? | 10:59 |
| ZogG | joga, when i get it done, you don't get any of it >:( | 11:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | theoritically, the N900 should be able to burn blu-rays | 11:00 |
| joga | KnightStalker: of course, it also runs vectrex games and makes the most delicious coffee | 11:00 |
| KnightStalker | Dear N900,may you please clean my room for me? :P | 11:00 |
| joga | ZogG: that's ok since you won't be getting it done | 11:00 |
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| ZogG | KnightStalker, yeah, tha's why it's PSX, so you can put any number instead of X | 11:00 |
| ZogG | joga, you just not openminded enuf | 11:00 |
| joga | ZogG: you wouldn't know how openminded I really am ;) | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | as open as maemo | 11:01 |
| ZogG | thank you MohammadAG51 :* | 11:01 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51, sup? summer break, huh? | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | yea | 11:02 |
| ZogG | lucky bastard | 11:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 11:02 |
| joga | does an emulator even exist for the ps3? | 11:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 11:02 |
| joga | if it did, I bet it would require some supercomputer to run a simple game heh | 11:02 |
| joga | :) | 11:02 |
| Appiah | there is for PS2 , enjoy that instead | 11:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | emulating a cell wouldn't be easy | 11:02 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Dear N900, could you please shut up my nagging wife while I'm browsin t.m.o. Thanks. | 11:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | Not in sudoers, this incident will be reported to the wife | 11:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Haha :D | 11:03 |
| KnightStalker | lawl | 11:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | sudo ifdown wife0 | 11:03 |
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| sx0n | D-Iivili_Work, you can order her a Cosmopolitan with n900, that would do it for a while :) | 11:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Interface not supported | 11:04 |
| ZogG | joga Appiah you can use ps1 and ps2 emulator in the same time, so you have 2+1=3 | 11:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | sx0n, too bad she does not care about cosmo :-/ | 11:04 |
| KnightStalker | sudo shutdown -r 0 | 11:04 |
| KnightStalker | :D | 11:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Not in sudoers, this incident will be reported | 11:04 |
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| MrSpooge | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 | 11:04 |
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| joga | MrSpooge: fail | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 11:05 |
| Appiah | ZogG: great! | 11:05 |
| sx0n | sleep 5*3600 | 11:05 |
| * KnightStalker drops the MohammadAG51's N900 from the sky to the ground | 11:05 | |
| KnightStalker | Report That! | 11:05 |
| KnightStalker | XD | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | done | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 11:05 |
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| KnightStalker | :o | 11:06 |
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| ZogG | stop with than cartman smiley XD | 11:07 |
| ZogG | ._. | 11:07 |
| KnightStalker | :p | 11:07 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Could someone help me why my Chromium build fails: http://www.pastie.org/1024715 | 11:12 |
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| ZogG | D-Iivili_Work on N900? | 11:15 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, no, inside scratchbox | 11:17 |
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| wazd | hello people | 11:18 |
| ZogG | wazd sup | 11:19 |
| KnightStalker | any nice place to find ROM files working on PSX emulator? | 11:19 |
| KnightStalker | (and I can google >_>) | 11:19 |
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| ZogG | D-Iivili_Work, try to run it from root (not that safe btw) | 11:20 |
| ZogG | or try to give permissions to that file | 11:20 |
| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, what do you mean by run it from root? | 11:20 |
| ZogG | KnightStalker yes, there is russian site (it's in english too) it has tons of games, forgot the name | 11:20 |
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| KnightStalker | lol ZogG :p | 11:21 |
| ZogG | D-Iivili_Work, /bin/sh: line 1: ../build/linux/python_arch.sh: Permission denied | 11:21 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, yeah, I see that permission is denied, but what do you mean by running it FROM root? | 11:23 |
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| ZogG | just change the permission of the file | 11:23 |
| TriztFromWork | I tried the power kernel, but did think it wasn't good, gave a lagish feeling, after reverting back to the default kernel, it still feels lagish, like starting a few seconds video I recorded with the phone take a good while to start | 11:23 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | TriztFromWork, give it a minute. It might be apt-worker or tracker doing it's job | 11:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, well.. I tried to set it 0777, didn't work :-/ | 11:25 |
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| TriztFromWork | shouldn't be doing anything, at least the cpu meeter don't show much activity | 11:25 |
| ZogG | D-Iivili_Work try 666 | 11:26 |
| sx0n | TriztFromWork, how high you oc'ed ? | 11:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, the number of the beast! | 11:26 |
| ZogG | yes =)) | 11:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Will try that also :) | 11:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Hell and fire was born to be released... | 11:26 |
| ZogG | Setting permissions to 666 or 777 will allow everyone to read and write to a file or directory. | 11:26 |
| TriztFromWork | sx0n; no overclocking and I don't use the power kernel anymore, I reverted back to the original kernel | 11:28 |
| sx0n | iirc default MHz is same in stock kernel also. | 11:28 |
| sx0n | i notice difference in web-browsing anyway. | 11:28 |
| ZogG | i don't think overclocking is a godd thing anyway | 11:29 |
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| sx0n | it's best thing | 11:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | ZogG, plaah... with 666 I get tons of new errors :-D Maybe I'll just leave this for now and try to search already built .deb package of chromium | 11:31 |
| ZogG | there is | 11:31 |
| ZogG | but it's not opt | 11:31 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11646&stc=1&d=1277882985 <- since when it is a theme bug? :) | 11:33 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, I think you didn't use solid color for highlighting stuff @ tool bar ;) | 11:35 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, but now that I look closely I think the creator of the software could have used some other element for highlighting. | 11:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | So my bad :) | 11:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Didn't see it was a 3rd party software. Thought it was in build cam app at first sight :D | 11:35 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: yes, but I can't track all improper use of ellements in the world :) | 11:36 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, sorry. Was tiried while looked that over. Edited my post already :) | 11:36 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: :) | 11:37 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: no, actually I was just curious mayme I've really made a mistake somewhere | 11:37 |
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| Noma | D-Iivili_Work: you could make this kind of theme next: http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png :) | 11:38 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Noma, where is that from? | 11:39 |
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| Noma | D-Iivili_Work: i think summel has made this "concept picture" | 11:40 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Noma, maybe I'll let him finish it then :) | 11:40 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Looks good though :) | 11:40 |
| BCMM | Noma: reminds me of oxygen, but with right-angles | 11:40 |
| BCMM | actually quite nice | 11:40 |
| BCMM | modern-looking and not horrible | 11:40 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | I think I'm gonna take a small vacation on themming when I finally get this Black Plastic 2.0 out with color scheme selector :) | 11:41 |
| Noma | D-Iivili_Work: he isn't doing it, because he said he has not the knowledge of doing themes, he just made the concept and asked if someone could do it | 11:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Noma, well in that case... hehe :D We'll see. | 11:41 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But in the meantime I try to survive from a customer who drives me grazy. | 11:42 |
| D-Iivili_Work | He ordered a web layout and oh my god how difficult it has been to satisfy the guy. | 11:42 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | And what's best, when I ask him questions about how would he like something to be, the answers are like: well put it somehow somewhere. | 11:43 |
| pupnik_ | argh | 11:43 |
| pupnik_ | courage, D-Iivili_Work | 11:44 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I have nowadays motto: "customer is about 3% right" | 11:44 |
| pupnik_ | and keep good recordsx | 11:44 |
| D-Iivili_Work | pupnik_, keep good recordsx? | 11:44 |
| pupnik_ | and keep good records | 11:45 |
| D-Iivili_Work | what does that mean :D | 11:45 |
| pupnik_ | documentation of the process | 11:46 |
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| wazd | ooooh, I've fixed "gear" bug. Epic :) | 11:46 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Aaah... well yeah. Too bad I agreed to do this with pre settled payment. Not by billing per hours. | 11:46 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Won't be doing anything for that guy anymore in the future though :D | 11:47 |
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| mirf | wazd: gear bug? | 11:51 |
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| wazd | mirf: I had one in Marina Theme and didn't know how to avoid it. I know now :) | 11:52 |
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| mirf | oh | 11:52 |
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| wazd | btw, maybe anyone can suggest me any text editor that doesn't ruin linux line endings? | 11:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | gedit? :) | 11:54 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, try psPad | 11:54 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, I have had great success with it. | 11:54 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, but best thing would be to setup a scratchbox installation ;) | 11:55 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: to edit singe text file? :) | 11:55 |
| wazd | single* | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, use gedit, it runs on both Windows and Linux, and it has syntax highlighting | 11:55 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: Maybe I should buy separate 8 core PC for that :) | 11:56 |
| ZogG | use blufish | 11:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, not just for editing text file; you could also build the theme locally and test it before uploading to autobuilder etc. | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | wlan0 is the wlan interface, phonet0 is the cellular modem, what's wmaster0 | 11:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, just use virtual machine. That's how I do it. | 11:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, webmaster? | 11:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | :P | 11:56 |
| ZogG | world master =) | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 11:57 |
| wazd | seriously, no native win text editor? :) | 11:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, use the pspad | 11:59 |
| wazd | I'm not quite sure about installing whole GTK with that :) | 11:59 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, it's free and works. | 11:59 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: thx, let's try it | 12:00 |
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| ZogG | wazd are windows user? | 12:03 |
| wazd | ZogG: yes, we are :) | 12:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | It's out for testing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57456 | 12:04 |
| ZogG | wazd you are | 12:04 |
| wazd | ZogG: :) | 12:04 |
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| MohammadAG | wazd, wordpad | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 12:06 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: it corrupts too :) | 12:06 |
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| MohammadAG | really? the one on win 7 works for opening | 12:07 |
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| lcuk | D-Iivili_Work, nicely done. installing and testing now. | 12:08 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: it "fixes" uniz line endings in changelog so The Mighty Autobuilder can't swallow it :) | 12:08 |
| andrenarchy | has anyone successfully tried 'arapp' (augmented reality demo app)? | 12:09 |
| mirr0r | yes | 12:09 |
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| mirr0r | it works fine | 12:09 |
| lcuk | yes andrenarchy - i got it to work by pointing camera at my laptop screen which had the pdf of the AR marker on | 12:09 |
| andrenarchy | mirr0r: it's segfaulting | 12:09 |
| tristan | whats ar? | 12:09 |
| mirr0r | augumented reality | 12:10 |
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| andrenarchy | arapp window closes before the camera image is shown on screen | 12:10 |
| mirr0r | do you have camera open while you start the app? | 12:11 |
| andrenarchy | it worked only the first time | 12:11 |
| andrenarchy | yes it's opened | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | andrenarchy: Open lens cover, close camera app. | 12:11 |
| tristan | i dont understand that work in this context. | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, no need to reboot, just reload all UI elements :) | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | Then start the ar app. | 12:11 |
| wazd | ok, place your bets | 12:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, any command for that? | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | killall lol | 12:11 |
| mirr0r | X-Fade, yes exactly, thats how i do it, and it works fine for me | 12:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, haha :D | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | I think this is what defines the theme in use GTK2_RC_FILES=/etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 12:12 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, the hildon seems to cache images stupidly so that not all elements are refreshed after switching from the to another. | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's in the environment variable | 12:12 |
| andrenarchy | X-Fade: doesnt work... segfault in console | 12:12 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, killall hildon-desktop hildon-status-menu systemui | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | did I miss anything? | 12:13 |
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| andrenarchy | same prob (post by marcus): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56327&page=3 | 12:13 |
| andrenarchy | but no solution ;) | 12:13 |
| X-Fade | andrenarchy: Are you running PR1.2? | 12:13 |
| andrenarchy | yes | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, anything from the SDK team on perl-modules? I need it for frozen-bubble :) | 12:13 |
| wazd | http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ <- ehehe, they've changed May to June and July :D | 12:14 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Discussion is still going on. | 12:14 |
| andrenarchy | hey now it works... i changed nothing | 12:14 |
| wazd | lazy designers | 12:14 |
| andrenarchy | seems to be a bug... | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | D-Iivili_Work, do those dialog boxes come up if somebody installs the theme from console? | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, zenity, so it should | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | s/it/they | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is a lot harder to get things updated in SSU repos than in SDK. | 12:16 |
| lcuk | you should install and use default stable (not changing transitions/any color) | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, why not just use extras for it? | 12:16 |
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| lcuk | it shouldnt come up! | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well, then you get it from a different domain. | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: And thus it will be ignored etc. | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 12:16 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, you lost me :) | 12:17 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Package domains. | 12:17 |
| lcuk | D-Iivili_Work, it especially shouldnt come up because the theme is not selected. | 12:17 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: ooooh, pspad worked, thanks :) | 12:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | lcuk, dialogs comes up if one installs it from console also. | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | what if im not at my touchscreen? | 12:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | lcuck, I thought it's good idea to promt user to select the theme setup also when he installs it. | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it doesn't finish | 12:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | lcuk, then you're out of luck :) | 12:18 |
| Kowalczyk | hi. im having trouble with facebook widget on my n900. it doesnt update. if I get a message and I read it, it still shows that I have one message in facebook widget. have to delete account and add it again to work. what am I doing wrong? | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, a lot of apps use a GUI during installation, it sucks but you have to live with it :) | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | (maemo-confirm-test) | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | text* | 12:19 |
| lcuk | D-Iivili_Work, thats spam for spams sake. | 12:19 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i have exactly 1 package currently which does that and for a damned good reason | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | this is a theme not a security thing (openssh asks for password) | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, which is? | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh lol | 12:19 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | lcuk, how come? You set up the theme as you wish at the installation and can also later change your configuration if you want to. | 12:19 |
| Kowalczyk | I added the account now when I was offline. now it just says unable to connect to facebook. isnt it supposed to update itself? | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | D-Iivili_Work, where do you write the theme preferences to when you request them during install? | 12:21 |
| D-Iivili_Work | lcuk, allthough I was warned about some people not liking interactive installer :P But that's just decicion I made. | 12:21 |
| D-Iivili_Work | lcuck, I don't write it, the script just copies few folders back and forth which includes different graphics for different scheme. | 12:22 |
| D-Iivili_Work | If user messes up the selector or some other bizard error happens, the black -variation is still installed as default and theme will work. | 12:23 |
| lcuk | so just do that without messages? | 12:23 |
| D-Iivili_Work | do what? | 12:23 |
| lcuk | normal install | 12:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Yeah, it's done before showing the dialogs. | 12:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | And yes, I could comment out the setup wizard but based on other people opinion it's nice to run the seutp script right after installation so user does not have to go under settings etc. | 12:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But let's wait and see what kind of comments are coming out. It's not big deal to remove the wizard during installation. | 12:26 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: the screenshot you found for 174101#c13 was not very successful | 12:28 |
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| sp3000 | what with the misleading annotations it has | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm going to talk to a release manager about using a very sturdy cluebat | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i spoke to tomasz this morning | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm just avoiding going to work | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you planning on coming in early? | 12:33 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Btw. Why ain't my changes being shown at package view page: http://maemo.org/packages/view/black-plastic-theme/ | 12:49 |
| * sp3000 is here | 12:49 | |
| D-Iivili_Work | While other packages have the section: http://maemo.org/packages/view/hildon-theme-marina/ | 12:49 |
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| mece | D-Iivili_Work: what changes are you expecting to show up? | 12:51 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: oh the changelog you mean? Well did you write a changelog? | 12:52 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, well everything I've typed in changelog -file? | 12:52 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | This is what the changelog -file looks like: http://www.pastie.org/1024774 | 12:53 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: peculiar. | 12:54 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | mece, peculiar? | 12:55 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Same "issue" has bothered me since the first package I've ever uploaded to extras autobuilder. I have never seen the changes on package view -page :-P | 12:56 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: well yes. since the changelogs look fine they should show up, afaict. | 12:56 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Not that it's important, just wondering. | 12:56 |
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| mece | D-Iivili_Work: apparently there's something wrong there. are you using dch to change the changelog? | 12:57 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, don't know :D | 12:57 |
| mece | how do you edit the changelog then? | 12:57 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, using leafpad | 12:57 |
| mece | k.. on device? | 12:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | withing ubuntu | 12:58 |
| mece | and how do you create the package? | 12:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | not inside scratchbox | 12:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, upload source to the autobuilder | 12:58 |
| mece | how do you make the source | 12:58 |
| mece | file | 12:58 |
| D-Iivili_Work | :D Using this template: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/commits/master | 12:59 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S | 12:59 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Other theme creators are using the same template and they have the changes visible just fine. | 12:59 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, I have used dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S | 12:59 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Because that's what extras assistant is telling to use o_O | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, same, but I don't use -sa | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG | -sa creates a diff file against the orig source for package | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | for some reason, I hate those | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | although that's the proper thing to do | 13:00 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, ok ok. Will try that next time :) | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, if you started making (programming) the source then it doesn't really matter what you use :) | 13:01 |
| mece | i use -sn too | 13:01 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, I see :) (did guick googling about those switches) | 13:01 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Thanks for the tip :) | 13:01 |
| D-Iivili_Work | (again!) | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 13:01 |
| mece | does the .changes file look good after you've built the package then? | 13:02 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I really need to make a keyboard shortcut for thanking MohammadAG... | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 13:02 |
| mece | hevikaraoke ftw :D | 13:02 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, it looks like this: http://www.pastie.org/1024783 | 13:02 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, hehe, thanks :) | 13:02 |
| * mece was referring yo D-Iivili_Work's email address | 13:03 | |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, yeah.. hevikaraoke (and heavykaraoke) is something I've been involved with since the beginning of it. | 13:03 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: will I see you in kaisaniemi this weekend? | 13:04 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | mece, noup. | 13:05 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, I'm in studio with Force Majeure doing some final backing vocals for the new album... | 13:05 |
| mece | changes file looks fine too. Perhaps X-Fade has some explanation for the missing changelogs.. | 13:05 |
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| mece | D-Iivili_Work: nice :) when's it out? | 13:06 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, when it's done :D | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | glade looks interesting | 13:06 |
| mece | MohammadAG, glade as in... gtk glade? | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 13:07 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, really don't have release date yet since we terminated the record deal with the company which published the first one. So now we're in situation where we have the album almost done but not yet releaser for it :D | 13:07 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But if nothing comes up we shall release it by ourselves I think. | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | does the N900's stock kernel support IPv6? | 13:08 |
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| pahartik | MohammadAG: No | 13:08 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, I heard it's disabled | 13:08 |
| * MohammadAG gets rid of the dialog for that | 13:08 | |
| mece | MohammadAG, no, iir | 13:08 |
| mece | c | 13:08 |
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| mece | D-Iivili_Work: your description field needs a line feed and a space | 13:10 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | mece, in control -file? | 13:11 |
| mece | ya | 13:11 |
| mece | wairt | 13:11 |
| mece | wait | 13:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | This is the current control -file: http://www.pastie.org/1024799 | 13:12 |
| mece | ok hold on | 13:14 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: like this: http://www.pastie.org/1024802 | 13:15 |
| mece | that will make the first line the "headline" and the next lines the description. | 13:15 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, so I should start the description right after the : -mark? okay then | 13:16 |
| mece | D-Iivili_Work: yeah, and the first line will be bold on maemo.org | 13:16 |
| D-Iivili_Work | cool, got ya. Should I still use the -sn swithch while creating the source? | 13:16 |
| mece | like here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/qlister/ | 13:16 |
| alterego | D-Iivili_Work: get my thing to compile and work alright? | 13:16 |
| mece | "Qlister is a very simple shopping list application." is the first line and the rest is the second line | 13:17 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: doesn't like full sentences on the first description line :P | 13:17 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, well.. never got the one that I built working so I just used the one built by you :D | 13:17 |
| mece | now I need to go. I hope that the changes will appear one day D-Iivili_Work. And that you get your album released ;) | 13:17 |
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| alterego | Heh | 13:18 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mece, cheers and thanks for help :) | 13:18 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, but whenever I get mine working I'll switch to it :D | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I hate them too :P | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | I hate scrolling sideways | 13:19 |
| alterego | 2.6k downloads, :) Thass pretty cool :) | 13:20 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, where? | 13:21 |
| alterego | 0 donations though, albeint 0.4 with the donate button isn't in extras for another week. | 13:21 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, which app? | 13:21 |
| BCMM | alterego: what is the app? | 13:21 |
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| alterego | My "Media IM Status Updater" app | 13:21 |
| alterego | Now, what to do today, continue working on my GPS GLES app, or find a job .... | 13:22 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, haa, cool :) Too bad I hardly ever listen music with N900 that I'd like to share with people :P | 13:24 |
| BCMM | alterego: as in, a 3d gps app? | 13:24 |
| BCMM | alterego: you're writing a google-earth style thing for tiny screens? | 13:24 |
| alterego | no, not exactly. | 13:24 |
| alterego | Actually, not at all, I wont be doing any mapping functionaility to begin with. | 13:25 |
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| BCMM | so what does it do? | 13:25 |
| BCMM | or will it do | 13:25 |
| alterego | Have you ever used a proper handheld GPS like a garminn? | 13:25 |
| BCMM | no | 13:25 |
| BCMM | oh | 13:25 |
| BCMM | no | 13:25 |
| mirf | has chromium been removed from extras-devel ? | 13:25 |
| BCMM | i've use a car satnav | 13:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mirf, while ago. | 13:26 |
| BCMM | and i've used various n900 apps | 13:26 |
| alterego | Oh, well you probably wont get it then :) | 13:26 |
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| mirf | D-Iivili_Work: howcome? | 13:26 |
| BCMM | but i presume a handheld gps is not the same thing as a garmin car satnav | 13:26 |
| BCMM | alterego: don't those things have a compass? | 13:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mirf, it was a complicated case. There was / is topic @ tmo somewhere | 13:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mirf, I suppose it was some copyrights stuff | 13:27 |
| alterego | Basically, it'll have several "screens" and widgets for displaying GPS info, track logs, trip functions like average speed, reset etc. Waypoints, track logl. | 13:27 |
| alterego | BCMM: it will have a compass yes. | 13:27 |
| BCMM | alterego: the n900 doesn't have a compass | 13:27 |
| * MohammadAG starts a discussion, does compiling cause global warming cause of increased heat output | 13:27 | |
| MohammadAG | xD | 13:27 |
| mirf | D-Iivili_Work: d'oh! feckin google | 13:28 |
| alterego | BCMM: wither do a lot of the GPS' I'm talking about, you get bearing as you move. | 13:28 |
| mirf | nevermind | 13:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Go MohammadAG! | 13:28 |
| BCMM | alterego: so what are you doing that, say, the navigation screen of GPXView doesn't do? | 13:28 |
| mirf | I bet the deb is still floating abuot somewhere | 13:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, I think compiling only helps to warm up the room @ winter | 13:28 |
| alterego | BCMM: I don't know, I've not used GPXView, do you have a screenshot? :) | 13:29 |
| _0x47 | Can we make MeeGo being Debian based? | 13:29 |
| pupnik | getting used to the keyboard mirf? | 13:29 |
| alterego | BCMM: OpenGL ES? :) | 13:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | mirf, hopefully. I just tried to build it (I have the source) but I didn't success with it... | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, shame it's not winter eh? :p | 13:29 |
| mirf | yeah pupnik it's fine | 13:29 |
| mirf | my only problem is seeing the screen in bright lights | 13:30 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, well it's cold here in Finland anyways. Winter or not :D | 13:30 |
| D-Iivili_Work | mirf, join the club ;) | 13:30 |
| BCMM | alterego: gpxview shows you a circle with the direction to your destination and points of the compass on, and orients it according to your direction of motion | 13:30 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I need to shower, bbiab | 13:30 |
| BCMM | alterego: yeah, where does opengl come into this? | 13:30 |
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| alterego | BCMM: yes, I'll have that too. | 13:30 |
| alterego | And more. | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, well I don't live in england now do I :P | 13:31 |
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| BCMM | alterego: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpxview/ | 13:31 |
| BCMM | alterego: middle screenshot at the bottom | 13:32 |
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| BCMM | alterego: and AGTL does the same thing, plus showing the direction of the sun so you can orient yourself when stationary | 13:32 |
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| mirf | http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ looks like it should be OK | 13:33 |
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| BCMM | alterego: (both are integrated geocaching tools, allowing you to select a cache and navigate to it with a handheld-GPS style interface) | 13:33 |
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| alterego | BCMM: yeah, that's basically, some of what I'll have, I'm going to have other displays too. Also my dad requested an average speed tool, where you can reset your average speed so he can keep track of it whilst passing through those average speed cameras :) | 13:35 |
| alterego | BCMM: It's the beginning of my own GPS app, which will probably end up having a 3D map using SRTM data. | 13:35 |
| BCMM | alterego: so what is the opengl for? 3d effects, or just accelerating 2d rendering for smoothness? | 13:35 |
| alterego | 3D effects. | 13:35 |
| BCMM | ah, i see | 13:35 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, flames and explosions? | 13:35 |
| alterego | Making my interface look like the tits basically :) | 13:36 |
| BCMM | isn't SRTM pretty low-res? | 13:36 |
| alterego | Exactly, | 13:36 |
| Jaffa | mirf: D-Iivili_Work: the council is trying to set up a dialogue between jacekowski and Red Bend so we can upload it again without them getting upset | 13:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | cool! | 13:36 |
| BCMM | alterego: that would be... distracting when driving | 13:36 |
| mirf | that's great Jaffa | 13:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, remember to make the boobs bouncing based on accelometer! | 13:36 |
| alterego | "You have reached your destination" notification which explodes onto the screen like a nuclear bomb. | 13:36 |
| D-Iivili_Work | alterego, with sound fx ofcourse ;) | 13:37 |
| alterego | BCMM: we're joking. It will just look cooler, it wont be action filmy :P | 13:37 |
| mirf | boobs | 13:37 |
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| BCMM | w00t | 13:38 |
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| alterego | If enough people donate on my media im status updater app, I'm going to get Samual L Jackson to do my voice nav and Mr T. | 13:38 |
| w00t_ | yes? | 13:38 |
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| * BCMM facepalms | 13:38 | |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, nothing, some people have a w00t button | 13:38 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:38 |
| BCMM | a w00t button? why? | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | to `w00t` I guess? | 13:38 |
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| w00t_ | :( | 13:39 |
| D-Iivili_Work | w00t -button :D | 13:39 |
| BCMM | alterego: is a "media im status updater" a "X is now listening to Y" app? | 13:39 |
| alterego | BCMM: it is indeed :) | 13:39 |
| BCMM | alterego: can i set up a rival donate button to pay you not to develop it? | 13:39 |
| BCMM | ;) | 13:40 |
| alterego | Useless, but I learned a lot about mafw and telepathy doing it. | 13:40 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:40 |
| alterego | And it's part of my, "Integrated N900 services to make the N900 cooler" fetish. | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | what if someone edits an app's source and links to their paypal instead | 13:40 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: have you done this? :P | 13:41 |
| * MohammadAG will be right back | 13:41 | |
| alterego | you son-of-a-bitch :P | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | nah, imma test it now | 13:41 |
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| * MohammadAG downloads the source | 13:41 | |
| alterego | I swear to god, if you upload that and promote it I will continually thumb it down to hell :P | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | but it will stay there | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | most users have -devel enabled anyways | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | xDDD | 13:42 |
| alterego | Or my version 1.0 will actually be version 65355 | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'll set up a script to bump version number | 13:42 |
| D-Iivili_Work | OMG! Boss just came and told that I should do some real work also o_O | 13:42 |
| RST38h | -devel is the new extras, indeed | 13:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I guess I must do as told :-D | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | yes, more themes | 13:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Haha :D | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, I wonder how I could add the hildon gtk screenshot thingy | 13:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Well.. I HAVE been doing my open tasks also. I'm just so fast :P | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Anyways, see you after 30mins or so. | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | what's the SNES emulator called again? | 13:43 |
| alterego | Anyway, shower time, bbiab | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | I need the source lol | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, alterego cya | 13:44 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: have you faced that bug that clock application icon overlay has no alpha channel? | 14:02 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, how does that occur? | 14:02 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: well, if you have possibility - try latest Marina | 14:03 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: media player and clock | 14:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, give me a sec. Will download it. | 14:03 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Will report back in 10 mins... | 14:03 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: basically clock always show black rectangle | 14:03 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: when media player shows nice semi-transparency | 14:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, those are not same icon used for overlay. | 14:04 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: I know | 14:05 |
| D-Iivili_Work | hold on | 14:05 |
| nas_ | is there any way that I can see the bluetooth signal % on n900 ? I mean I have my bluetooth hands free connected , and I would like to make a widget that alarms me if the hands free has low signal .. | 14:05 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: mediaplayer and package manager overlay is held within mediaplayer template | 14:05 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, yeah | 14:05 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, I see the problem now. Haven't ever paid any attention. I'll testi with some of my themes and see if I have the same problem. Just a sec. | 14:07 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: well, as I see it occurs everywhere | 14:09 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | Maybe it's because you have black color on the area where you should have the alpha channell color? | 14:10 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: no :) | 14:10 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: I guess that's because whole maemo 5 theming is made with left foot :D | 14:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | seems like my an-DROID theme is suffering from the same issue also. | 14:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, word! | 14:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | :D | 14:11 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Now let me extract the deb file and see if it's in png -file itself or the clock app... | 14:12 |
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| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: I can bet it's the clock app :) | 14:13 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, yep, it's the clock app. Your png is fine when it's extracted from deb. | 14:14 |
| kwtm | Hi! need help with flashing. Yesterday I flashed the firmware (due to hanging at infinite loop during bootup), but I still did not get a functioning n900. | 14:14 |
| kwtm | So, on the advice of IRC members here, I will be flashing the eMMC also. | 14:15 |
| D-Iivili_Work | wazd, solution => use black background on clock app :D | 14:15 |
| kwtm | The wiki advises "do not reboot between flashing firmware and flashing eMMC; "i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!" But I already used "-R" during firmware flashing. Does that mean I should reflash the firmware? | 14:16 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: Actually flashing takes less time than asking :) | 14:16 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: I appreciate that it can seem that way from your viewpoint as someone already experienced, but that is not true. | 14:17 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: You forget about the time taken to download the eMMC image (2 hours). | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: You need to download that anyway. | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | And get a better connection while you are at it ;) | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | But that is besides the point. | 14:17 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Also, since flashing the wrong way can brick the n900, I would like to take the time to go over everything before I do the actual action, to make sure I understand everything. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: You already have a brick. | 14:18 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: It won't brick as in 'can't recover'. | 14:18 |
| kwtm | For example, the wiki at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware SEEMS to cover everything, but does not actually state when to connect the USB to the n900. I presume this is before flashing, but would want to make sure. | 14:18 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Also, since I can still recover by rebooting while pressing the "u" key to start in USB mode, it is not yet bricked. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: So what is the problem then? | 14:19 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: It is not true that it won't "brick as in 'can\'t recover'", since the definition of "brick" is "completely useless and can't recover". See also http://noknok.tv/2010/05/26/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr1-2-v10-2010-19-1/ for an example of someone who is unable to reboot in USB mode and has completely bricked his device (unable to reflash). | 14:20 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: well, yeah :) | 14:20 |
| wazd | D-Iivili_Work: actually nokia devs used that sullution for real :D | 14:20 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: You might as well say, "It only takes a second to press the Enter key, after having typed the reflashing command." | 14:21 |
| wazd | solution* | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: That really is something you can't trigger even when you tried to. | 14:21 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: So, my problem is: I would like to verify that it's okay to have used the "-R" parameter to flash the firmware when the wiki states NOT to use the "-R" parameter when reflashing the firmware and the eMMC one after another. | 14:21 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: With normal use, you really can't brick it. | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: If you flash both, only use -R on the last one. | 14:22 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: I understand that with normal use, you don't even get an infinite loop during boot-up. However, mine does. | 14:22 |
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| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/30/apple-hiring-iphone-antenna-engineers-for-some-reason/ :D | 14:22 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: Okay, thank you for answering. So, I have used the "-R" command while flashing the firmware (as advised by the web page), so it looks like I will have to reflash the firmware without the "-R" command, then. | 14:22 |
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| kwtm | Will reflash firmware again, then flash the eMMC content. | 14:23 |
| wazd | they've killed the previous ones :D | 14:23 |
| kwtm | I'm glad I took the time to ask rather than reflashing "in less time than it takes to ask". | 14:23 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: Btw, what OS do you flash from? | 14:23 |
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| kwtm | Oh, another question: it says "make sure n900 is fully charged before flashing", but if I am unable to boot up, is there another way to check the battery state of my n900? Or do I need to charge for an hour just to make sure? | 14:25 |
| Summer | Hallo to everybody | 14:25 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: output of "uname -a" is Linux host 2.6.32-22-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 3 22:02:19 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: I never had to press 'u' when flashing from linux. | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: And I flash a lot ;) | 14:26 |
| Summer | sorry for my question, is there a channal where I can ask for help about Web2Irc? | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: just start flasher, wait until it starts waiting for a device and connect USB. | 14:27 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: I'm not sure how that is related to me. I have been following the wiki at "http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware" (which, incidentally, says use "-R" when flashing firmware), and it says press "u" to flash. Is there a problem if I press the "u" key to boot up in USB flashing mode? Should I not do it? | 14:27 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, I've always first connected the phone and then hit the enter | 14:27 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: Connecting USB starts up the phone. | 14:27 |
| Summer | is there sombody reading me? | 14:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, you know you don't have to "boot" the phone? Just turn off the device, press the u-key and connect the cable | 14:28 |
| lcuk | kwtm, if the flasher goes through its processes when you press the U key then continue using that mechanism | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: So with device off and flasher running, you don't need to push a button ;) | 14:28 |
| lcuk | Summer, sure we can see you | 14:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Summer, yes | 14:28 |
| Summer | thanks | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | please direct irc related questions to #freenode :) | 14:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, push what button? | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | power | 14:28 |
| Summer | thanks lcuk | 14:28 |
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| X-Fade | or u for that matter. | 14:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, I never touched the power button | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | fancy a coffee X-Fade? :) | 14:28 |
| kwtm | D-Iivili_Work: when I say boot, I mean turn on the phone (it is stuck in the boot process anyway). | 14:29 |
| * lcuk just put kettle on | 14:29 | |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Nah, over 30 degrees here. | 14:29 |
| lcuk | eep | 14:29 |
| kwtm | lcuk: I think I will follow your advice. | 14:29 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, do not press the power button. Press the u-key and stick in the USB Cable and hold U pressed until you see Nokia logo and usb-icon on the top right corner. | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivili_Work: I really never have to do that. | 14:30 |
| * lcuk has his own flashing ritual but if you already have a way that works | 14:30 | |
| D-Iivili_Work | Apparently it does not matter if you start the flasher before or after connecting the cable | 14:30 |
| D-Iivili_Work | X-Fade, I guess I'll test your method next time I have to reflash :P | 14:31 |
| * lcuk places sacrificial battery into the alter whilst the EEPROM god waits patiently | 14:31 | |
| kwtm | D-Iivili_Work: Yes, that is what I did. However, X-Fade says that there is no need to press the U key. I believe that there is no problem caused by pressing the U key and plan to do it again, but I just wanted to clarify that he did not mean "you should NOT press the U key". Otherwise I am not sure why he is telling me that he does not need to press the U key; it seems extraneous info at this point and I just want to reset my phone since | 14:31 |
| kwtm | Nokia does not provide a hard reset button. | 14:31 |
| D-Iivili_Work | (which I hopefully won't have to do since it costs me every time a single SMS...) | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: No, pressing U is not harming. | 14:31 |
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| lcuk | kwtm, no, the U key method is good and is not causing your issue | 14:31 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: It is just not needed when using the sequence I told you, but if you connect the cable first, then you need to press U. | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | So the bootloader knows you need usb mode. | 14:32 |
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| lcuk | that part at least if you were doing it wrong, the flasher would simply refuse to transmit its data | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | In the end, if the flasher flashed your device, you did it the right way :) | 14:32 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Okay, I'll just go by what it says in the wiki; as someone said yesterday, "It is very clear in the wiki" (actually not really, but I would rather get my device working than argue about it) | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: It is a wiki, improve if you think you have found issues that need correcting :) | 14:33 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Yes, I plan to do that after I get my n900 working. The fact that the wiki is editable does not mean that it is infallible, as some members of this channel seem to think when someone of less experience comes to ask for help. | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | kwtm, nothing we humans do is foolproof, however the information in that wiki has helped many many people through the process. | 14:35 |
| kwtm | lcuk: Yes, I do appreciate that, and your help too, lcuk. However, I do find it intimidating that some people say, "Well, it's very clearly stated in the wiki" (the implication being "you are wasting our time since it already says so in the Wiki"). This was yesterday GMT 1600h (not by any members in this conversation so far). | 14:36 |
| kwtm | That's why I like to ask in IRC just to be sure. | 14:37 |
| pupnik | picture (humour) "How to correctly hold an Iphone 4" http://ta.gd/f6 | 14:37 |
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| MaikB | Dear Sirs, is PR 1.2 on the N900 able to sync the calender with ovi? | 14:37 |
| MaikB | thx | 14:37 |
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| kwtm | Btw, X-Fade, regarding your advice to get a better connection: at this point it is not up to me. I am travelling and had been relying on my n900 for computing needs. I am in a hotel wireless connection and have no say in what sort of internet connection I get. So I'll set aside your advice to improve my internet connection for now, since it really really doesn't help. Thanks. | 14:38 |
| sx0n | i've heard that apple is hiring experienced antenna engineers. | 14:38 |
| lusikka | how long does it take to update from pr1.1 to pr1.2 via Nokia Software Updater? | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: That is why I added a ':)' and said is was besides the point. | 14:38 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: Ah. Sorry for missing the undertones. As you can imagine, I am rather distressed at being without a phone and at the fact that it takes a 3-hour download (1 for firmware, 2h for eMMC) to do what another phone would have done by presing the reset button. | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: Not if your filesystem is corrupted. | 14:40 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: Or at least I guess that is what happened. | 14:40 |
| MaikB | anyone? | 14:40 |
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| MaikB | meh | 14:42 |
| kwtm | Okay, I found another inconsistency in the wiki. If someone could help me through this: it says "When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC." | 14:42 |
| MaikB | oh irc room, you fail me | 14:42 |
| MaikB | i haz sad | 14:42 |
| kwtm | However, in the instrucitons itself, it gives instructions to flash eMMC and then it says at the end "flash the FIASCO image" at the end. | 14:42 |
| X-Fade | MaikB: Tried google? | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: Technically it doesn't matter, _if_ you don't reboot inbetween. | 14:43 |
| kwtm | Does this mean I should flash the "FIASCO" firmware image again at the end? Or I should ignore this instruction to flash firmware at the end? Or I should ignore instruction to flash firmware first and then eMMC? | 14:43 |
| MaikB | x-Fade, what is google? | 14:44 |
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| MaikB | never heard of it | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | As both flash another chip. | 14:44 |
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| Termana | <MaikB> x-Fade, what is google? <--- THIS. Delete him. | 14:44 |
| mirf | http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/06/30/kde4_crashes.jpg | 14:44 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: What if I *do* reboot in between? It seems that using the "-R" command as instructed causes a reboot without me realizing it, so I want to make sure I'm not carrying out any other inconsistent instructions without realizing it. | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: Then you just flash both without rebooting :) | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | just follow the wiki instructions... | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think someone should lock wiki editing | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, flashing | 14:46 |
| infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:46 |
| vldcnst | ~botsnack | 14:46 |
| infobot | thanks, vldcnst | 14:46 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: That appears to be a simple instruction, but then why does the wiki give the instruction of using "-R"? I am afraid of having rebooted, hence my question. If you could help out a newbie who does not have the same knowledge as you and may inadvertently reboot simply by following wiki instrucitons, that would be appreciated. | 14:46 |
| kwtm | Anyway, I think I'll flash firmware and then eMMC, as this seems to be mentioned on several other web pages. | 14:46 |
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| MaikB | u funny irc ppl | 14:46 |
| Termana | kwtm, -R tells it to reboot. Exclude it until you want to reboot (the second command) | 14:47 |
| MaikB | I tried google and maemo.org | 14:47 |
| kwtm | Termana: Thanks for the info. Will do so. | 14:47 |
| MaikB | Because I dislike the try and error approach | 14:47 |
| MaikB | a useless timesink | 14:47 |
| MaikB | however | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: You can also leave out the -R command and remove the battery when done. | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: But that is a bit of a hassle. | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | who the f keeps swapping the direction | 14:47 |
| MaikB | I gave and and tried to add my device at ovi.com | 14:47 |
| MaikB | fail | 14:47 |
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| MaikB | no n900 | 14:47 |
| MaikB | oh boy | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, dunno, it's pretty annoying wiki "vandalism" for sure | 14:48 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: At ths point I am going to just keep to the wiki instructions and not consider alternative methods since it is a lot to process right now. Thanks. | 14:48 |
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| MaikB | X-Fade, are there rumors about nokia adding the N900 to the supported deviced for ovi? | 14:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, why did you swap flashing directions? | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | MaikB: No idea. | 14:49 |
| MaikB | ok | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | i.e fiasco first emmc next | 14:49 |
| MaikB | thx | 14:49 |
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| pyther | Is there a way to get the alarm clock to not cut off at 30 seconds and repeat more than twice? | 14:50 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, i thought that was proper way | 14:50 |
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| ShadowJK | since on boot / moves stuff to emmc, so if you wipe emmc you need to flash / too | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, he set it to eMMC first then fiasco | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | pyther: I always set another alarm one minute later if I really must not miss it. | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | pyther: But that is a bit lame. | 14:51 |
| kwtm | Okay, I get an error when flashing: "Using flashing protocol Mk II. SU_PREPARE_DATA_BLOCK_REQ terminated with error code 3" | 14:51 |
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| X-Fade | kwtm: mmc or firmware? | 14:51 |
| kwtm | What do I do now in order to flash properly? It does not seem to be giving that USB-connection screen. | 14:51 |
| D-Iivili_Work | pyther, I remember reading from forum that someone was coding new alarm app that forces you to walk around the room with phone in your hand before alarm shuts down. | 14:51 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Well, I am flashing the firmware first, and then the eMMC. This seems to hang during the firmware flash. | 14:52 |
| nidO | that alarm app's been released, its still in devel though | 14:52 |
| mirf | hah awow | 14:52 |
| mirf | I'm just installing that now | 14:52 |
| mirf | freaky | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | Lunch, bbl | 14:52 |
| pyther | D-Iivili_Work: ya I saw that I think it is overkill for my needs... I usually get up and leave my phone in place | 14:53 |
| mirf | I'd like one that gives you a puzzle to solve | 14:53 |
| pyther | I might try it though | 14:53 |
| kwtm | Okay, seems to be working. The key seems to be that I need to turn off the n900 first by holding the power button down for 2 seconds until the device vibrates. | 14:53 |
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| mirf | same here pyther I tend to be naked when I wake up and don't carry the phone around | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, according to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, it says flash FIASCO first, then eMMC | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | now i'm pretty sure order doesn't matter, since the device is off eitherways, but it creates some inconsistency | 14:54 |
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| alterego | Yes, rootfs first, then eMMC | 14:54 |
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| kwtm | Looks like firmware and eMMC have successfully been flashed, according to my laptop. Let's hope the n900 boots this time. | 14:54 |
| kwtm | I'm guessing that I can disconnect the USB cable once both are flashed? Or do I need to let n900 boot completely before disconnecting cable? | 14:55 |
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| kwtm | Hmm, n900 does not seem to be booting. Will disconnect cable and then try again... | 14:56 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 14:56 | |
| mirf | hoh | 14:56 |
| mirf | FIL | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | frals, you've failed us, I thought noobmonk3y was supposed to be dead | 14:56 |
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| pyther | Can someone quickly tell me what the command is to gain root access? | 14:57 |
| nidO | root | 14:57 |
| nidO | or su root | 14:57 |
| nidO | or sudo gainroot | 14:57 |
| nidO | or a few others | 14:57 |
| kwtm | Ahh, with the new firmware, there is a blank screen for about 15 seconds in the boot-up sequence. Hmm, this could be confusing to a newbie. I wonder why they did that. | 14:57 |
| * noobmonk3y laughs :) | 14:57 | |
| * noobmonk3y also blames frals | 14:57 | |
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| pyther | nidO: cheers, but it says "Enable RD mode if you want o break your device" | 14:58 |
| kwtm | Hey, it's booting up and has arrived at the welcome screen! | 14:58 |
| pyther | How do I do that? | 14:58 |
| noobmonk3y | pyther: or enable it if you want to enable it - option number two! | 14:58 |
| kwtm | Yea! I am now successfully reset my n900 and can start using it again! | 14:58 |
| nidO | do you actually have rootsh installed or root enabled manually? | 14:58 |
| pyther | nidO: I don't have rootsh | 14:59 |
| nidO | you need to get it to be able to gain root | 14:59 |
| pyther | I installed ssh which i think enable root manually | 14:59 |
| pyther | ok, let me install it | 14:59 |
| kwtm | It only took 4 days of web surfing, wiki browsing and asking IRC! (and to think I was complaining about the Palm reset buttons being hard to reach). Anyway, off to edit the wiki now so hopefully others will have an easier time. | 14:59 |
| nidO | didnt you get told exactly how to flash your device like 3 days ago? | 14:59 |
| nidO | you're the guy with the second n900 that just stopped booting, right? | 15:00 |
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| kwtm | nidO: that was yesteday. Yes, I needed to have a block of time devoted to being able to ask questions and then flash the n900. | 15:01 |
| kwtm | (I didn't want to be halfway through flashing and then have to leave for work.) | 15:01 |
| kwtm | As I was mentioning to X-Fade, the wiki is not consistent, and "being told exactly how to flash your device" did not quite include all the details, so I needed to ask questions to make sure I didn't brick my device. | 15:02 |
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| alterego | kwtm: it's very hard to brick an N900., | 15:02 |
| alterego | Even through flashing ,. | 15:02 |
| tristan | sounds like a wager | 15:02 |
| D-Iivili_Work | tristan, what is a wager? | 15:03 |
| kwtm | alterego: as I was mentioning to X-Fade, see "http://noknok.tv/2010/05/26/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr1-2-v10-2010-19-1/" for an example of someone who bricked the device and was unable to flash through USB. | 15:03 |
| mirf | ovi apps aren't maemo are they? | 15:03 |
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| pyther | Does anyone know if it is possible to get tunctl on the N900? | 15:03 |
| pyther | I would like to do a ssh tunnel | 15:03 |
| KnightStalker | "<alterego> kwtm: it's very hard to brick an N900., | 15:03 |
| KnightStalker | <alterego> Even through flashing ,.",really? | 15:03 |
| KnightStalker | How is that? | 15:03 |
| kwtm | alterego: Also, keep in mind that your *knowledge* that "it is very hard to brick a n900" was not available to me anywhere on the web, so I needed to tread very carefully. It would be a lot easier if it had said on the web, "Don't worry! You won't bricvk your n900" | 15:03 |
| KnightStalker | pyther,use openssh-client instead then? | 15:03 |
| kwtm | Anyway, now that the n900 appears to be working, I'll ask another question: can I restore backups from before I flashed the firmware? Or are those backups now incompatible? | 15:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, it's okay. I was a bit scared myself when I first needed to reflash the device :-P | 15:04 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, you can restore the apps | 15:04 |
| alterego | kwtm: backups will be fine. | 15:04 |
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| pyther | KnightStalker: ssh can create a tap device? | 15:05 |
| kwtm | alterego, D-Iivili_Work: thanks. That's good to hear. | 15:05 |
| KnightStalker | so one question,if forexample some one steals my mobile then he can just flash to get rid of I am here app? | 15:05 |
| KnightStalker | I have lock activated on my n900 | 15:06 |
| kwtm | Oh, and also: in which directory is the desktop configuration stored? (e.g. what widgets appear on my n900 desktop). I guess it's not under /home/user/MyDocs | 15:06 |
| kwtm | I did not back this up last time, but would like to start doing so so that I can have a copy on my laptop. I did get a copy of /home/user/MyDocs already. | 15:06 |
| kwtm | D-Iivili_Work: Thank you for your emotional support regarding being a bit scared at your first reflash. I find it intimidating to reflash, especailly given the (perceived) danger of rendering the n900 useless. | 15:08 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: bricking a device by flashing is very rare.... ye sthe forums have some stories but i'd say 99.9% are fine!! | 15:09 |
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| tristan | is there uh. anyone with their batterygraph screens uploaded | 15:11 |
| tristan | ill like to see hjow mine does. | 15:11 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: Yes, I am reassured by this fact. However, do you think that it is rare enough for wiki editors to state on the wiki, "Don't worry, it's rare that you brick your device by reflashing"? If that is a valid statement, then I'd like to put it in the wiki since this will save a lot of time by newbies who are too worried about the possibility of bricking to carry out instructions they may not understand. | 15:11 |
| KnightStalker | ROM files are .rom file right?cuz I downloaded one @ romhustler.net and it was a .bin and .cue file | 15:12 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: Scare mungering - tis a standard tactic in open source, as when you do something it is your responsibility | 15:13 |
| pupnik | it is important to understand that before proceeding | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y | so yes it could be worded differently, its just the same as saying... by living, you will admit to the responsibility you will soon die, harsh.... but true | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y | (By soon - i mean how long is a piece of string) | 15:14 |
| kwtm | KnightStalker: Did someone answer your question about reflashing defeating the lock? | 15:14 |
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| KnightStalker | no | 15:14 |
| pupnik | i am trying to avoid ramen just for one day, good lord | 15:14 |
| MaikB | well, ermining does the job with google calender, though I would have prefered a nokia solution | 15:14 |
| MaikB | too bad | 15:14 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: I think that is valid to do, but at the same time it means newbies will tread very carefully and double-check and triple-check everything before proceeding, so in that case it does not help to have experts say, "Well, it is very simple; it takes me very little time; everything is clearly explained" since most of the time taken is not with the procedure but with trying to understand everything. | 15:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | yup agree entirely... not newbie friendly :( but then neither is something like a re-installation of windows/linux or partitioning.... the same risks apply :) you can brick your pc just as easily, depends... read the risk (Ie bricking) are you willing to try something, that has a minute chance of doing it, if not... then erm, dont do it? if you have no choice, whats the worse evil? a bodged N900 that doesnt work properly or a bri | 15:17 |
| kwtm | KnightStalker: It seems, according to what I'm hearing on this channel, that it is very hard to "brick" the device to the point where you can't reflash, so my guess is that I can defeat the lock by reflashing. | 15:17 |
| kwtm | KnightStalker: Hey, why don't you tell me where you leave your n900 lying around? :) (just kidding) | 15:18 |
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| KnightStalker | well one of my reletives Omnia got stolen 3 days ago when he gone for W.C. :P | 15:18 |
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| KnightStalker | (in an 5 star hotel) | 15:19 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: I continue to compare n900 to a phone. So, for example, I would not be so frustrated if, say, I had lost all functionality on the n900 but I could still make phone calls. But right now there is not even a reset button so I can make calls. | 15:19 |
| kwtm | KnightStalker: Wow. :( That is not good. What is Omnia? Smartphone? Lockable? Did he get it back? | 15:19 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhh ... interesting comparison... if you use it as a phone and use no other functionality then you will never need to re-flash :P hehe | 15:19 |
| pupnik | bingo noobmonk3y | 15:19 |
| KnightStalker | Samsung Omnia is smartphone :p and no he didn't get it back ^_^ | 15:20 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: Well, I wanted only phone functionality, and I needed to reflash. | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: I have never had a phone with a reset button. | 15:20 |
| pupnik | well not quite - needs 1.2 for better carrier support | 15:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | kwtm: i missed the beginning, what happenned to stop it working as a phone? | 15:20 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: You seem to be saying "I have never had a phone with a reset button. THerefore no one else including you will ever need a phone with a reset butotn, either." | 15:20 |
| MaikB | bye | 15:20 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: the trusty brick in the back garden works well as a reset button :) | 15:20 |
| pupnik | wonder how that open source camera app is coming along | 15:20 |
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| pupnik | there are a lot of features that should be added | 15:20 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: My n900 went into an infinite loop on bootup and would not respond. | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: I'm meaning to say that it is not _that_ common. | 15:21 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: I have been using Palms, such as my Treo, which *does* crash from time to time, but then I press the reset button, and at least I get a basic functioning device back. | 15:21 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: back to the pc part - have you installed anything else other then phone stuff that is slightly computery/linuxy related? - ie something that may have caused it (devel/testing?) - if not then i feel your pain :( | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: But isn't that the same device that loses all data when the battery is empty? | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | kwtm: Meaning that everything is in some sort of RAM? | 15:22 |
| kwtm | X-Fade: Also, not many phones will crash. Presumably the phone is in firmware and is stable enough that it does not crash (say, with a typical smart/dumb phone). | 15:22 |
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| kwtm | X-Fade: No, that is not the same device,. | 15:22 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: good point hehehe :P somedo have reset software options, and some buttons but either way a hardware reset button has as much chance of bricking any other device as a reflash - it just doesnt have a big warning on it (Most likely in the manual) | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | Ok, well, MeeGo will have reset capability when using btrfs. | 15:23 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: All I did was install apps using app manager. No new repositories (no extras-devel, for example). The extent of doing "something linuxy" was creating a symlink to /home/user/MyDocs with X-terminal. | 15:23 |
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| X-Fade | Although that is not available for flash storage atm. | 15:23 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: It crashed one n900, so I returned it to the store and got another. THis is my 2nd n900. | 15:23 |
| D-Iivili_Work | it indeed would be nice function if you could press some secret key combination while powering the device and it would automaticly re-flash the rootfs and firmware. | 15:23 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: :( then i really do feel your pain, and understand the frustration - and also difficulty at getting answers on the first time round - unfortunatley for the un-initiated it can be a bit frustrating :( | 15:23 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: eeeek, two? :( poooo!!! | 15:24 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: the second n900 I was watching very carefully to make sure I didn't do anything weird/wonky, but it still crashed. | 15:24 |
| noobmonk3y | if it helps, i abuse mine daily and it works like a treat! | 15:24 |
| D-Iivili_Work | noobmonk3y, me too :P | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:24 |
| KnightStalker | Me Tooo! | 15:24 |
| * noobmonk3y even abused MohammadAG's remotely, and his might still be working | 15:24 | |
| MohammadAG | I'm surprised mine's working for a month already | 15:24 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: Thanks for the sympathy. I also appreciate that you and X-Fade and others are able to use the n900 a lot and not have it crash --I was starting to worry that the n900 was a fragile thing. | 15:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Mo | 15:24 |
| MohammadAG | I've flashed... umm, maybe 26 times? | 15:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | kwtm: i really just think there has been bad batches :( - learning to reflash is a good thing though :) | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | I lost count, I flashed it 25+ times anyways | 15:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, do you have a sms plan? | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, kind of, why? | 15:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, coz since PR1.2 the device sends the damn sms after reflash... | 15:25 |
| kwtm | One might say, "Well, you shouldn't have installed those apps/made those symlinks" or whatever, but with that restriction it is no longer worthwhile to have a n900. :P So I'm happy that it works for most people. | 15:25 |
| D-Iivili_Work | I know, it's not that much, but it's ANNOYING | 15:25 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: and from my perspective the best thing to do was come in here, the forum can be a bit cluttery - people like X-Fade, lcuk , MohammadAG etc know what they are talking about :) | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, LOL, I haven't flashed it with 1.2 | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | my last reflash was 1.2's | 15:26 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, just make backups frequently and keep your usb-cable nearby in case of total crash :) | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | and I hit unsubscribe about 5 times | 15:26 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: still uses dos on his n900 .... hard core | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | nah, I just purged hildon-desktop and I'm on a console | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:26 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: It has not been easy. It is 5am my time; if I come in here during my evenings, the IRC channel is dead. So I have had to delay reflashing my n900 until I could have a chance to come in here to talk to people and make sure I knew what I was doing. | 15:26 |
| * noobmonk3y purges frals with a large trout | 15:26 | |
| MohammadAG | he was badly packaged | 15:27 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, but once with the N97 I received +100 MyNokia SMS's telling me that new firmware is available. | 15:27 |
| * MohammadAG cleans up the mess left | 15:27 | |
| noobmonk3y | ouch, good point - this world-wide thing is tough at time :( - | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, the N97 was a huge fail | 15:27 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, that really pissed me off. This "one time SMS" is nothing compared to that. | 15:27 |
| noobmonk3y | although if you ever get in trouble in here, just scream BACON! | 15:27 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, and those +100 SMS came within two days! | 15:27 |
| kwtm | For example, I tried to flash yesterday (around 0000h GMT) but found that I needed to download the eMMC image also. I had to leave for work before the download could complete. So I had to wait until today to reflash and get it working. | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | I considered switching to Samsung | 15:27 |
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| lcuk | pardon? | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | D-Iivili_Work, how was the bill | 15:27 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, whats up? | 15:27 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG51, didn't get charged for those. | 15:27 |
| noobmonk3y | kwtm: see what i mean, one sniff of bacon and lcuk awakes! | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | afternoon lcuky | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | just testing the bat-alarm | 15:28 |
| lcuk | heh indeed | 15:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | MohammadAG, I don't get charged for receiving sms's. | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | good to know it still works :) | 15:28 |
| lcuk | how you doin noobmonk3y | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | he's alive | 15:28 |
| kwtm | D-Iivili_Work: It looks like the backup app did not back everything up. For example, the desktop is still a mess and not set up the way I had wanted. (Why wouldn't it back up something as straightforward as my desktop settings?) | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm in home-limbo at the mo! | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | so no puuuter | 15:28 |
| lcuk | im eating home made pizza that i just cooked - hence my absense and not saying hello earlier | 15:28 |
| D-Iivili_Work | But yeah, N97 was a huge failure. Luckily I had it returned and refunded 100%. Then I went and bought N900 :) | 15:28 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh bacon on your pizza? | 15:29 |
| kwtm | Which leads to me asking my previous question again: anyone know where the desktop settings are stored, so I can write my own script to back it up? Looks like the backup manager is less than complete. | 15:29 |
| lcuk | kwtm, hmm | 15:29 |
| KnightStalker | N97 was failure +1 | 15:29 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm kwtm backup allways backs up all my settings :| | 15:29 |
| lcuk | screenshots of "messed up" because backup/restore is something lots of people have put energy into making sure it "just works" | 15:29 |
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| D-Iivili_Work | KnightStalker, the goddamn GPS just couldn't work.. I even made a video of it since the lady at the Nokia Care didn't beliewe me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDMK_nxaKvg | 15:30 |
| kwtm | noobmonk3y: Really? Okay, maybe I'll just try again... but anyway, just so I can back stuff up to my laptop, do you know where I can find desktop settings? | 15:30 |
| D-Iivili_Work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskvyHv4khU | 15:30 |
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| KnightStalker | D-livili_Work, Same with my father's GPS | 15:30 |
| * noobmonk3y hmmmm's - thats kinda where you lose me :( | 15:30 | |
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| lcuk | kwtm, each application stores its backup configuration inside /etc/osso-backup/applications | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | so you can have a look there and see what you need to do | 15:31 |
| * noobmonk3y is more a pc kinda person, and most of my linux geeking is brought on by a case of @Mo asks me to do something stupid@ | 15:31 | |
| * noobmonk3y re-iterates the bacon point..... Lcuk knows all | 15:31 | |
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| kwtm | lcuk: Thanks! Will make a script to copy that to /home/user/MyDocs/<some subdir>, and I'll unison that to my laptop. | 15:31 |
| lcuk | not everything. | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | kwtm, read what i said | 15:31 |
| neal | What's the difference between /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes and /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes (diff is _home)? | 15:32 |
| lcuk | the settings for what is backed up are stored there | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | and please kwtm i would like to see the "corruption" you have on your desktop | 15:32 |
| Corsac | neal: in PR1.2 you can have counters for home and foreign networks | 15:34 |
| Corsac | home and roaming, I mean | 15:34 |
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| neal | are they orthogonal? | 15:34 |
| neal | or does gprs_rx_bytes include gprs_home_rx_bytes? | 15:34 |
| kwtm | lcuk: Is it necessary, since I am in the process of re-establishing my settings? And is there an easy way to do it? | 15:34 |
| Corsac | I don't think so | 15:34 |
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| Corsac | but I'm not sure | 15:35 |
| Corsac | I only saw the meters in the UI | 15:35 |
| Corsac | where they're called “home” and “roaming” | 15:35 |
| kwtm | lcuk: I am also not sure how a screenshot (I think that's what you're asking) since it looks like an ordinary desktop. It's just not the desktop settings I had set (for example, the background is stil lthe default background) so I believe that my desktop settings were not saved. | 15:35 |
| lcuk | kwtm, its always necessary if you are bitching at the applications thousands of people use without issue :) press shift + ctrl + p to take a photo ( i think) | 15:36 |
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| neal | Corsac : Which UI? | 15:36 |
| lcuk | kwtm, right, so is it possible your backup is from before you made the changes? | 15:36 |
| kwtm | lcuk: Okay. I will make changes to desktop, then backup, then see if changes to desktop are saved. | 15:36 |
| * lcuk nods | 15:37 | |
| lcuk | thanks | 15:37 |
| kwtm | lcuk: It's possible that I had backed up before I made changes. SOrry if it sounded like bitching; it just didn't come out the way I expected. | 15:37 |
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| kwtm | lcuk: So you are saying that desktop settings *are* saved with backup manager? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | okies - most important thing - you are on your desktop | 15:37 |
| lcuk | yes | 15:37 |
| kwtm | Yes, and thank you to all for guidance given during reflash. | 15:37 |
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| neal | Corsac : Oh, I found it. Thanks! | 15:38 |
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| kwtm | Whew. Now that my n900 is working, I can talk about all the things I love about it. :) | 15:39 |
| KnightStalker | lols | 15:39 |
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| kwtm | (*AND* now that I know how to reflash if it crashes again, I feel much better. Will need to get a copy of that firmware/eMMC onto my netbook, too, if I'm not travelling with my usual laptop) | 15:39 |
| lcuk | heh i should hope thats not necessary | 15:40 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:40 |
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| lcuk | but keep an eye on what you install | 15:40 |
| alterego | I've only reflashed when new firmware comes out | 15:40 |
| kwtm | lcuk: Sounds like the n900 crashing is rare... I hope so. My Treo 650 crashes once a month or so, usually when I am on the phone and on call! :P | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and if you do notice something specific that causes such a drastic necessity then let us know and we will investigate :) | 15:40 |
| Corsac | you n900 won't last one month | 15:41 |
| lcuk | kwtm, its entirely possible to push one single button to forcefully break a system, however that button might involve 3 levels triggered in totally different parts of the system protected by leapords in the basement etc | 15:41 |
| Corsac | I'm at like 15 days uptime and it's already dead slow | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | i dont have high uptime, but i dont have to reboot because of crashes normally | 15:42 |
| kwtm | Is there a way to jump to an application without scrolling all the way down in the apps list? E.g. I want to start Vim but don't want to scroll all the way down. Can I press "V" to jump to apps that start with "V"? | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | kwtm, hold down the app icon for ~2seconds and the app launcher menu will open | 15:42 |
| kwtm | I am asking because I am using Catorize, and I don't know if the functionality would be there without Catorize. | 15:42 |
| lcuk | you can rearrange any icon to anywhere else | 15:42 |
| alterego | My uptime is never more than a few days. But I never reboot because of crashes, in fact, I Can't even remember having a crash, except applications, like the web browser crashes maybe once a week or so. | 15:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, just no dirs. I use catorise. | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | ie: press and hold on "camera" and the menu customisation will kick in | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | and you can do whatever you want | 15:43 |
| kwtm | lcuk: Okay. I put the shortcuts onto my desktop anyway, but just wondering if there's an easy way to launch any program. I'll just put the common ones on desktop. | 15:43 |
| D-Iivili_Work | kwtm, there's also ApFeMo -program | 15:43 |
| alterego | You mean ApMeFo ? :P | 15:44 |
| kwtm | Corsac: Your n900 slows down, too? My first n900 slowed down over the course of about 24 hours, and then it crashed, so I hope yours is not doing the same. | 15:44 |
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| Corsac | nop, but after 10-15 days, it lags really frequently | 15:44 |
| kwtm | D-Iivili_Work: What's ApFeMo -program? Is that a command-line thing to launch programs? | 15:44 |
| Corsac | I had to kill hildon-desktop at one point | 15:45 |
| tybollt | hmmm usb charging isa true mystery =) | 15:45 |
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| Corsac | and media player can't be launched too long or it'll render you n900 unusable | 15:45 |
| alterego | The only thing I have to do as far as performance is clear the browsing history every few days as it causes auto complete to die horribly .. | 15:45 |
| kwtm | Corsac: Question: "hildon-desktop"? I thought Maemo 5 used Qt4 whereas hildon was a GTK-based system? | 15:45 |
| _Lucretia_ | can someone tell me what the "-kb" option does in Xephyr? They've removed it from the current version | 15:45 |
| alterego | I always have the media player open, no issue there ... | 15:45 |
| Corsac | (since OOM won't trigger before swap is full, and it'll be unusable long before that) | 15:46 |
| alterego | kwtm: Maemo 5 is Gtk | 15:46 |
| Corsac | kwtm: no, M5 uses GTK+ | 15:46 |
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| kwtm | Maemo5 is Gtk??? What's all this I heard about Nokia using Qt4 and Maemo 5 is so kickbuttously awesomeaceous that they had to break compatibility with Maemo 4 to use Qt4? Hmm... that explains some things I had been reading. | 15:47 |
| kwtm | I guess MeeGo is Qt4? | 15:47 |
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| kwtm | Hey, I LOVE this new firmware that lets me type numbers by holding down the key for longer! The old way of pressing Shift-Northeastward was so cumbersome. | 15:47 |
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| mirf | ! for real :D | 15:48 |
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| mirf | I did not know that | 15:48 |
| kwtm | If only I could get the Shift key function by double-tapping the key.... | 15:48 |
| _Lucretia_ | kwtm: maemo 5 is both gtk+ and now qt, they can both be used | 15:48 |
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| Corsac | but core desktop is still using GTK+ | 15:48 |
| kwtm | mirf: Yeah, you have to hold down the key for 2 seconds or something really long. I hope that time delay can be changed. | 15:48 |
| kwtm | _Lucretia_: Oh, that's good to know. I was hoping to do some scripting with PyQt4. | 15:49 |
| kwtm | Since I am not actually good enough to program in C++. | 15:49 |
| mirf | yeah I'm getting really put off the idea of developing for this platform | 15:50 |
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| mirf | or at leaset the symbian part... | 15:50 |
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| _Lucretia_ | kwtm: you're not missing much, wrt C++ | 15:50 |
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| kwtm | mirf: ?? What do you mean? Isn't Symbian on other Nokia phones but has nothing to do with n900? | 15:50 |
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| _Lucretia_ | can someone tell me what the "-kb" option does in Xephyr? They've removed it from the current version | 15:51 |
| kwtm | Yea, hurrah for Unison! Restoring all my docs back onto n900. :) | 15:52 |
| kwtm | Oh, FRICK! Boo to Unison! It found that all my docs were gone on n900, so it ended up deleting all my docs on the laptop, too. :P | 15:53 |
| D-Iivili_Work | Any good tutorials on how to hildonize a gtk -app? I'm thinking of learning some new stuff and starting to hildonize the zenity -package. | 15:53 |
| _Lucretia_ | ok fuck it, no need to have -kb now then | 15:53 |
| kwtm | Good lord, if this weren't so essential, this would actually be funny. | 15:53 |
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| KnightStalker | kwtm,wow,that was fail | 15:54 |
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| _Lucretia_ | ok, can't start maemo now without the -kb flag | 15:54 |
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| Lantizia | Hey PR1.2 seems to have appeared OTA for Vodafone users :) Anyone have a copy of it? | 15:54 |
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| kwtm | KnightStalker: Not just fail. It was EPIC fail. "For the times when ordinary failure just isn't enough." This is unbelievable. | 15:55 |
| Lantizia | Or even know what the benefits of a Mobile Network specific firmware is? | 15:55 |
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| mirf | kwtm: you're probably right, I'm finding the whole thing very confusing as I checked out the ovi dev section and it's all symbian | 15:56 |
| mirf | but you can get n900 apps off ovi | 15:56 |
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| Lantizia | And if I got my N900 directly from Nokia (with 203 firmware) is it a good idea to put 205 (Vodafone) on it? I am on Vodafone :) | 15:57 |
| kwtm | mirf: I haven't tried it yet. Any worthwhile apps? There was a form they wanted me to fill (or some agreement or something) and I thought I would defer it till later. | 15:57 |
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| mirf | yeah you have to sign up | 15:57 |
| mirf | there are a fe things on there you can't get from extras | 15:58 |
| mirf | *few | 15:58 |
| KnightStalker | hmm is it possible to get wine working on N900 | 15:58 |
| KnightStalker | I just cant do it | 15:58 |
| mortini | i' mguessing not. | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | KnightStalker: No, wine is not an emulator, so no. | 15:58 |
| mirf | maybe in easydebian? | 15:59 |
| mortini | since it relies on the x86 chipset | 15:59 |
| mirf | ah | 15:59 |
| mirf | heh | 15:59 |
| lcuk | wow Anna Kournikova considered a granny of tennis | 15:59 |
| KnightStalker | yeah tried it in easydebian,fail | 15:59 |
| KnightStalker | So no ways to install win32 apps for now? | 15:59 |
| kwtm | KnightStalker: That's right! X-Fade is right: wine just lets windows run on your processor, so you'd need a separate wine-equivalent for the --whatever processor the n900 uses (ARM?) instead of Intel. | 15:59 |
| mortini | assuming windows ran on arm :) | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | Wine is NOT an emulator | 16:00 |
| lcuk | did you miss that memo | 16:00 |
| Lantizia | You need the wine mixed with qemu project | 16:00 |
| Lantizia | Then and only then might you be able to run x86 windows apps on n900 | 16:00 |
| KnightStalker | qemu? | 16:01 |
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| KnightStalker | lcuk,then In my second sentence I wasn't talking about wine anymore but about something to do the same thing | 16:01 |
| Lantizia | KnightStalker, qemu emulates an x86 processor | 16:01 |
| KnightStalker | it is on App manager? | 16:02 |
| Lantizia | It's barely working... http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/wine-emulator-running-in-nokia-n900/ | 16:02 |
| Lantizia | Personally I would put the entire out of your mind | 16:02 |
| Lantizia | *idea out | 16:02 |
| KnightStalker | but it would be nice =( | 16:02 |
| Lantizia | True but the N900 is _not_ a PC | 16:03 |
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| KnightStalker | its near to one | 16:03 |
| KnightStalker | :p | 16:03 |
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| _Lucretia_ | I think it's insane to try to emulate a pc on something like an n900 | 16:06 |
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| Lantizia | It is :) but some people are insane | 16:06 |
| KnightStalker | >_> | 16:06 |
| KnightStalker | well you guys think its insane,I think its acceptable from what I saw till now from N900 | 16:07 |
| lcuk | its not insane however to rebuild the open source packages natively for arm etc and run them happily | 16:07 |
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| Lantizia | I've read however that qemu runs happily and quickly on the N900 - you've only got the emulate the processor after all, nothing else as wine can handle that directly | 16:08 |
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| _Lucretia_ | but emulating the x86 cpu isn't fast, you need a fast machine | 16:08 |
| _Lucretia_ | you tried running windows on it? | 16:08 |
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| Lantizia | But it's still putting two extra layers between what is commonly installed on an N900 and the software your running... a virtualization layer and the wine layer | 16:08 |
| e-yes | where watchdog implemented in maemo? it's not in bme, right? | 16:09 |
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| Lantizia | _Lucretia_, nah havent' done anything with it... just letting KnightStalker know that it's possible and someone is working on it | 16:09 |
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| _Lucretia_ | Lantizia: you got an up to date maemo working on your machine? | 16:10 |
| _Lucretia_ | dev machine | 16:10 |
| Lantizia | no just PR1.2 | 16:10 |
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| _Lucretia_ | xephyr's cmd line has changed | 16:12 |
| _Lucretia_ | cant run maemo without a keyboard | 16:12 |
| _Lucretia_ | trying to find out the driver name | 16:12 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | e-yes: dsme | 16:14 |
| KnightStalker | oh and may I ask about how ROM files look like?I downloaded one @ romhustler.net and after extracting It gave me .bin and .cue file,how to use that in PSX4ALL ? | 16:14 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | e-yes: also - stop bme works, for example | 16:14 |
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| Corsac | KnightStalker: -ECHAN | 16:15 |
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| KnightStalker | o.O? | 16:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | whthere is no try, people do emulate x86 on N900. silly | 16:21 |
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| Termana | Yes, but don't try it | 16:22 |
| Termana | You'll be belittled | 16:22 |
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| flailingmonkey | unless you are emulating a game console. then you'll be fawned over | 16:24 |
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| eitama_ | Hey guys - Is there a command that triggers the N900 "Start charging" operation? 60% of the times that I connect the original or any other charger I have, The phone won't charge, but if I reboot It will, so I am sure it's a software bug. | 16:32 |
| eitama_ | I was hoping to put an icon on my desktop to invoke the charge if one has not started when I connected the cable | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG | eitama_, try apt-get --reinstall install bme-rx-51 | 16:33 |
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| lcuk | eitama_, curious - if its a software bug i'd rather see that fixed. but you are the only one with this experience, have you mistreated and abused your devices' software configuration by any chance? | 16:35 |
| tybollt | sjk: there? :) | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I can reproducibly get BME to not charge if I stop it, charge manually, then restart BME | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | eitama_: Does USB work - that is do you get a 'I've been plugged into a host, pick mass storage or usb' mode when you plug it into a comptuer? | 16:37 |
| * tybollt is seriously confuzzled | 16:37 | |
| eitama_ | I'll elaborate : | 16:37 |
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| eitama_ | This has been the status from day 1 with my device | 16:37 |
| eitama_ | PR 1.1 | 16:37 |
| tybollt | missus has the SE Xperia X10 mini pro | 16:37 |
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| eitama_ | PR1.1.1 and P1.2 al the same | 16:37 |
| tybollt | the charger is outputing 850mA | 16:37 |
| lcuk | eitama_, like i said, have you abused your device? | 16:37 |
| tybollt | and my N900 is outputing 1200mA | 16:38 |
| flailingmonkey | I had a micro usb car charger that did not activate charging, but now it does so, not much help | 16:38 |
| eitama_ | USB to my computer works 100% everytime, both charging mass storage | 16:38 |
| tybollt | will the Xperia die if I charge it w/ my 1200mA charger? | 16:38 |
| eitama_ | lcuk, no i have not | 16:38 |
| lcuk | :D thats good then | 16:38 |
| eitama_ | as I said, it's been like this since day 1 | 16:38 |
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| flailingmonkey | tybollt: no | 16:38 |
| eitama_ | I have tried changing chargers, I even tried a fellow friend's N900's charger | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I can get it to resume charge every time :-) | 16:38 |
| eitama_ | Same thing. | 16:38 |
| flailingmonkey | tybollt: current is drawn, so with the same voltage, the Xperia will just draw less current | 16:39 |
| eitama_ | SpeedEvil, you saw my answer? It works with USB everytime, perfectly. It's 100% not the socket or the charger | 16:39 |
| tybollt | flailingmonkey: sweet, thanks :) | 16:39 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, what flailingmonkey says | 16:39 |
| tybollt | ta | 16:39 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, N900 seems to actually draw 950mA most of the time | 16:40 |
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| corecode | is there a way to migrate all calendar items from one calendar to another calendar (synced)? | 16:40 |
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| eitama_ | I can wiggle the cable after it started charging and it will keep charging. and I can wiggle the cable if it has not started charging, and it won't start untill I reboot or reconnect like 3 4 times | 16:40 |
| tybollt | sjk :S | 16:40 |
| eitama_ | BTW guys, you are welcome to try horizontal-call 0.7-8 Which i just released. supports fastSMS, and is very fast (: | 16:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: That seems odd | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: mine does not | 16:45 |
| eitama_ | So guys, no command to like "Start Charge Now"? or restart charging agent | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, actually when I connect charger, bme starts at 550mA then ramps up to 950 | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | eitama_: I would try 'stop bme' | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Wacky | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | I can squeeze 1250 out of the charger for a few minutes :-) | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I never see it charge faster than about 600 | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | How measure? | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | Ah it's bq27200.sh logging to a file every 5 secs, so there's actually 20 - 50 mA use by System on top of that 1250 | 16:46 |
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| eitama_ | SpeedEvil, will it start itself after I stop it? | 16:46 |
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| ShadowJK | Also, I dump the registers of the charging chip every second when I plug in to see what bme does | 16:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | eitama_: will what | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | and it sets 4.2V, ramps current up to 950 | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | termination 50mA | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Odd - I've never seen it ramp to 950 | 16:47 |
| eitama_ | ok one last question, is that in terminal under root? : "stop bme" | 16:47 |
| eitama_ | exactly like that? | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | eitama_: ah - yes | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | wtf... | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | # they say this is The Right Way (tm) to check for | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | # scratchbox environment | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | if [ -L /targets/links/scratchbox.config ]; then | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | # hehe | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | true | 16:47 |
| eitama_ | aha | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | eitama_: start bme will then start it | 16:47 |
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| eitama_ | ahh | 16:48 |
| eitama_ | ok | 16:48 |
| eitama_ | so stop bme and right after start bme | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 16:48 |
| eitama_ | K- Thanks buddy | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | BME isn't regrettablt always sane | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | And may not reset fully | 16:48 |
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| eitama_ | ok | 16:49 |
| eitama_ | thx | 16:49 |
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| flailingmonkey | our mission: to destro... replace it :P | 16:50 |
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| _Lucretia_ | http://pastebin.com/3EbUvN9S <- error updating the ARMEL packages, anyone had this? | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | I just realised, "Jamie and the Magic Torch" is prior art for Portal | 17:16 |
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| GAN900 | I hope Engadget picks up the MyNokia story. | 17:17 |
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| mirf | whassat GAN900 ? | 17:18 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: ... prior art has no meaning outside of patents... | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | submitted to /.? | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: trademark? | 17:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | If not /., try 4chan. | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:18 |
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| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: i don't think it would be called prior art in that case. as a trademark would be the same mark, whereas prior art is implementations | 17:19 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, shush of course it has meaning - he shines his torch at a wall and jumps through! im merely pointing out something i never realised before :D | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: eitama_ is not the only one with this issue. I also noticed I have to replug frequently as it is missing to detect charger. Got even worse lately (probably cause of patched kernel). I'm absolutely sure that's a bug/flaw in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209 static int musb_charger_detect(struct musb *musb) | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Nokia really deserves to get their asses kicked for that insanity. | 17:19 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, is there a bug about it? | 17:20 |
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| GAN900 | mirf, http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/ | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: dunno, never checked | 17:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 17:25 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:25 |
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| eitama_ | DocScrutinizer, lcuk, I think I found a bug about it | 17:30 |
| guysoft42 | hi all, is there a way to dual boot nitdroid and mameo | 17:30 |
| guysoft42 | ? | 17:30 |
| eitama_ | and I am almostsure I commented about it | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then you probably should find it and tell us # | 17:31 |
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| eitama_ | Yes I am looking for it | 17:31 |
| konfoo | any news on the meego release? | 17:31 |
| eitama_ | but can't find it (; | 17:32 |
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| konfoo | guysoft: yes by design nitdroid dual boots... | 17:32 |
| konfoo | rtfm | 17:33 |
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| guysoft42 | konfoo, i dont see that mentioned here: http://wiki.nitdroid.com/?title=N8x0Install | 17:34 |
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| konfoo | guysoft: ah u may be right, i dont use my n8x00 anymore - it dual boots on the n900. try asking on #nitdroid | 17:34 |
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| konfoo | s/n8x00/n8x0 | 17:35 |
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| guysoft42 | konfoo, ok, i will :) did not know of it | 17:35 |
| konfoo | no worries :) | 17:36 |
| eitama_ | DocScrutinizer, I can't find it. Maybe my memories are not real. | 17:36 |
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| eitama_ | I am sure I discussed this on TMO though. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's rather useless probably ;-P | 17:37 |
| eitama_ | Yeah | 17:38 |
| eitama_ | Well, I can't open a bug, i have overclocked my device... (: | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: it's quite obviously a race | 17:38 |
| eitama_ | race condition? | 17:38 |
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| eitama_ | Sometimes I just connect it and it works, sometimes 6 reconnects are needed... Just the USB charging via laptop alwyas works. drives me crazy. | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209 ff is really fishy. I bet the charger_not_detected problem is founded there | 17:40 |
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| guysoft42 | um, might anyone know the command that reads the current kernel on my N810? so i can flash it back later? | 17:40 |
| lcuk | \o/ yeahhhhhhhhhh looks like http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 is being worked on | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: charging via laptop works with ENUM (which obviously uses DATA+/- lines) | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: fastcharger works by http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#209 detecting DATA+/- *shortcircuit* | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so evidently your DATA lines are OK | 17:43 |
| eitama_ | Can one edit that code, compile it and use it on his own N900? | 17:43 |
| eitama_ | Will that require a custom kernel? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | will require compiling kernel, yes | 17:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, read the discussion on wiki.maemo.org (flashing) | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, flashing | 17:44 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:44 |
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| eitama_ | hmmm | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: for a first very hackish bandaid I'd suggest 224 s/msleep(5);/msleep(200);/ | 17:45 |
| eitama_ | I wonder if any debug messages can be incorporated into that code to find out where it's dropping | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: we fiddle with that shit for quite some time now, for hostmode | 17:46 |
| guysoft42 | MohammadAG, was taht at me? | 17:46 |
| eitama_ | Aha | 17:46 |
| eitama_ | First time I see that code | 17:47 |
| eitama_ | and it's actually 1st time I look at C code that is not collage code | 17:47 |
| eitama_ | So it's a bit overwhelming | 17:47 |
| eitama_ | For me | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | guysoft42, nope, why? | 17:47 |
| guysoft42 | MohammadAG, i was just asking how i can back up my kernel before flashing it on the N810 | 17:47 |
| eitama_ | When does charger detect gets executed? | 17:48 |
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| alterego | Heh, who do I submit bugs about GLES2 shader compiler issues? | 17:52 |
| alterego | 0:8: 'gl_ModelViewProjectionMatrix' : undeclared identifer | 17:53 |
| alterego | identifer? :D | 17:53 |
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| guysoft42 | is qwerty_N810 around anymore? | 17:54 |
| lcuk | guysoft42, tmo or email | 17:54 |
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| guysoft42 | tmo? | 17:54 |
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| MohammadAG | oh god uploading the kernel source is going to take time... | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: thought you'd be smarter. Ever thought of the possibility Nokia is not very clear (or maybe even wrong) on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, and the important part is the nonbooting between eMMC and rootfs flashing | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I know it's not important, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying it causes inconsistency which causes rants on here and on tmo | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and I'm not really sure who can edit that page | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | eitama_: charger detect is probably executed when reading the sysfs node saying '1' when it's actually detected | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not knowing how to edit a flawed advice on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php doesn't mean we should spread lies on wiki. Rather include better explanation about NOT BOOTING in between flashing step 1&2, and elaborate on the /opt copying that's done on first boot after rootfs flashing. This should happen when *after* eMMC has been flashed, and that's the reason it is less destructive to accidentally boot after eMMC | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash and before rootfs flash, rather than deleting rootfs' freshly created /opt by flashing eMMC | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | I think I can edit the tablets-dev one. | 18:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm not spreading lies, before PR1.2 was released someone from Nokia edited the wiki to say flash FIASCO first, eMMC later | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG | and the same was done to the tablets site | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | That is the text I see in the tablets-dev site too. | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! | 18:11 |
| BCMM | is there an application for getting contacts off a simcard without adding them to the address book? | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer's point is that order doesn't matter, what's important is that a user doesn't boot up in between | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | I think that advise is sane as newer emmc might need bootloader changes. | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please reread the exact wording, this someone emphasized you must flash BOTH and NOT BOOT between. The sequence which to flash first was more an incidentally put fact | 18:12 |
| BCMM | i have two simcards here (that are not my main sim), and would like to copy the contacts from one to the other | 18:12 |
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| BCMM | in principle, it seems possible to copy them to a temporary location on my n900, change simcards, and then copy them to the new sim | 18:12 |
| BCMM | is there an application for doing this? | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | wow, http://members.cox.net/n75/boxtext-01.jpg the NAM text is *long* | 18:12 |
| BCMM | (ideally, without interfering with the internal contacts DB of the n900) | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ok, then please explain that somewhere, as otherwise my explanation why to flash eMMC first overrides the non-existent one why to do other way round | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll leave this into your hands as you probably know better, but please don't create inconsistencies between the tablets site and the wiki | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I think the bootloader routes the data to the emmc when flashing? | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Not sure how that part works though ;) | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | you all stink! | 18:15 |
| lcuk | whats up MohammadAG | 18:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | BCMM: some older phones make doing that easy | 18:15 |
| guysoft42 | anyone here with an N8x0 then? | 18:15 |
| guysoft42 | a* | 18:15 |
| * lcuk raises hand | 18:15 | |
| BCMM | timeless_mbp: i have a 3410, but for some reason it will not read that sim | 18:15 |
| * noobmonk3y_afk looks at lcuk | 18:15 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, discussion about the order of images to flash, you obviously know better about the optification (first boot one) script, so I thought you should be in the discussion | 18:16 |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, did you try nitdroid? | 18:16 |
| * lcuk looks at _afk | 18:16 | |
| BCMM | timeless_mbp: and the only other phone around is locked, and won't accept one of hte sims | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: eMMC flashing is a tricky thing, as it's not exactly 'flashing' the eMMC - rather there's some kind of script executed by whoknowswhom. eMMC img isn't size of eMMC storage :-P | 18:16 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | lol | 18:16 |
| lcuk | if flashing both: flah both in any order, but do not boot up inbetween. | 18:16 |
| lcuk | flash ^ | 18:16 |
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| * noobmonk3y_afk agrees with lcuk | 18:16 | |
| * noobmonk3y_afk just wants everyone to stop flashing, it's disturbing my fragile mind | 18:16 | |
| guysoft42 | lcuk, what os do you run on your N810? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's a fixed fact nobody is debating | 18:17 |
| lcuk | after pr1.2 you cannot flash emmc on its own | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, suggest what should be done to the warning on the tablets site then, DocScrutinizer finds it full of lies (and he's right about it) | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the question is what will result in better user experience *if* you accidentally boot | 18:17 |
| Dieterbe | Hey, i have been looking at the /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh script, but i'm not sure if i get it. do i understand it correctly that, to share a device over usb (when usb gets plugged in), this is controlled by the echo statements which echo something into /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file ? | 18:17 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, reflashing | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | I really don't get why you just don't merge both images into one image and use a flag in flasher to flash the eMMC | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: eh? | 18:18 |
| lcuk | i would like to remove the -R reboot option from the descriptions on wiki etc | 18:18 |
| lcuk | it confuses people | 18:18 |
| lcuk | and makes mistakes more common | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, he means, if someone messes up, which image would allow a boot up | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: agree | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | by messing up I mean they boot up in between | 18:18 |
| Dieterbe | odin_: have you find out how /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh works? | 18:19 |
| lcuk | ok, option 1: wanting to flash pr1.2 and you have nothing wrong with MyDocs: just flash the FIASCO | 18:19 |
| lcuk | option 2: you want to reflash eMMC or both: flash both | 18:20 |
| lcuk | do not reboot inbetween | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | about option 2 | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | if a user boots up in between, which image would make the device unbootable | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | Hi everyone | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | God damn I love CNN International! | 18:20 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, FIASCO | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | I want a widget for this as fast as possible for the N900 | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, how come? | 18:20 |
| DrGrov | Can it be done? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: user should either 1) have no major problems when accidentally booting in between part 1&2, or 2) clearly notice, understand, and find out of the erratic situation | 18:21 |
| lcuk | because it resets the firstboot flag and is the only place you can get original content needed in /opt | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I can flash the FIASCO only | 18:21 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if they flash the eMMC, they wipe opt | 18:21 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: how's your grasp of New World geography? | 18:21 |
| lcuk | which contains now some of the operating system | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, so flashing the fiasco image, and booting up, doesn't actually bork the device | 18:21 |
| lcuk | nope | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's my point | 18:22 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, nope, thats perfectly ok | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | what if a person reboots and then flashes the eMMC? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | but if you then later flash the emmc you bork os | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | it moves parts into /opt after booting up, when you flash the eMMC, it wipes it | 18:22 |
| lcuk | yup | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | if a user flashes the eMMC first and then boots up, same problem | 18:23 |
| lcuk | no | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: by first flashing rootfs and then accidentally booting, user creates a seemingly harmless situation that leads to messed up system later | 18:23 |
| lcuk | because the first boot after FIASCO does what it can to sort out /opt then copies everything over | 18:23 |
| lcuk | so you are ok | 18:23 |
| _Lucretia_ | hi, i'm trying to follow http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/toolchain.html to rebuild the toolchain for maemo, but I'm confused by the HOST target, maemo has FREMANTLE_X86|ARMEL; do I create this HOST target as it says or use one of the FREMANTLE ones? | 18:23 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its only "later" if they flash emmc | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: while first flashing eMMC messes up system immediately, but will be mostly fixed on later rootfs boot | 18:23 |
| flailingmonkey | so, what if someone ignores all of this, flashes only eMMC, then reboots | 18:23 |
| lcuk | if they dont need to flash emmc theres no issue | 18:24 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, they get a corrupt os | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | flailingmonkey, his device won't boot cause of missing files | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | well, it might boot, not sure | 18:24 |
| lcuk | it does boot | 18:24 |
| lcuk | with no themes or fonts or things | 18:24 |
| flailingmonkey | any reason not to specifically check for opt not existing and attempting a rerun of that firstboot script? | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | question | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | why doesn't the eMMC contain the files already moved to it | 18:25 |
| flailingmonkey | nvm, that stuff doesn't exist to be moved at that point | 18:25 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, we really don't have many people from NAM here, do we :( | 18:25 |
| flailingmonkey | NAM? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | North America I guess | 18:25 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, well, I am | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | viet | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAM | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | *i* guess | 18:27 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, because the eMMC does not get updated regularly, but that is technically a VERY good idea | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, then update it once more :P | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'd like to learn how the friggin eMMC 'flashing' actually works. As it's always a insane thing to split system into two images. You should be able to "flash" MyDocs and /home/user independently, and none of both should touch /opt | 18:30 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, not so simple, but that is a nice idea :) | 18:30 |
| flailingmonkey | indeed, people flash more often than expected for sure | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | flashing fiasco is normal | 18:30 |
| lcuk | ive not flashed emmc ever | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | I've only flashed it once | 18:30 |
| lcuk | ive got photos on my device from the onedotzero event | 18:30 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: I think it might actually have a shell script prepended to the image... | 18:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither | 18:31 | |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, and i have 15gb of data there | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | but that was when my vibra motor died, so I thought it might be worth a shot | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: Q: who's executing this script? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | I really want to try the sed trick and reflash the eMMC | 18:31 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk: same, but people like "fresh and clean" | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | /home is too small | 18:31 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, of course, thats why emmc is different | 18:31 |
| lcuk | we should just change instructions to tell people to emmc first then fiasco | 18:32 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: very good question, but I do know someone was able to reparition using a tweak of emmc image | 18:32 |
| lcuk | and if they bootup and see corruption, it doesnt matter | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, heh, which is what we were discussing :) | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I know | 18:32 |
| lcuk | they are following instructions and after fiasco it will cure | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, <lcuk> we should just change instructions to tell people to emmc first then fiasco | 18:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i know | 18:32 |
| lcuk | thats why im one lining it | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably you could edit this in a way it'd be 'safe' to 'flash' MyDocs (+|or /home/user ?) without reinstalling /opt after that | 18:33 |
| lcuk | that would be nice | 18:34 |
| lcuk | because after FIASCO on firstboot we vape /opt anyway :) | 18:34 |
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| MohammadAG | can't the eMMC be unpacked? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: my initial statement then | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | + image | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | guysoft42, another time | 18:35 |
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| GuySoft | lcuk, ok :-/ | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | just ask others, my head is gone completely today | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: by adding /opt *content* to eMMC-VANILLA you create a dependency which requires a new eMMC-VANILLA for each new rootfs img you roll out :-S | 18:37 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, but its the first alternative solution for now - if a script in emmc head could work then that should be investigated too | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | 32 minutes to upload the kernel source, I hope it builds properly :/ | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: seems we somewhat agreed on sequence 1)eMMC 2)rootfs at the moment. So probably you fixing the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php page would be a good idea | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: reverting edits on wiki, you voided your right to "I'll leave this into your hands as you probably know better, but please don't create inconsistencies between the tablets site and the wiki". Please edit wiki page in a way to revert your reverts, and to include an explanation why it's mostly irrelevant which order, but in case user fails on no-reboot requirement, then it's a little bit less annoying if you first flash eMMC | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sure, I didn't mind the edit itself, I just hate how inconsistent the instructions are | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | there are already 3(?) threads about it on tmo | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I don't care about tmo, and inconsistency with tablets-dev.nokia.com is going to be fixed by X-Fade | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's _going_ to be fixed, it wasn't going to be fixed when I reverted your edits | 18:47 |
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| guysoft42 | lcuk, i need N810 people,. everyone is N900 now :-/ | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the wiki is correct regarding result of discussion here, and it's an idiocy to revert it to incorrect info just because that incorrect info is spread elsewhere. Rather explain there's incorrect info elsewhere, and why it usually doesn't really matter and why the info in wiki is correct | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tried to do exactly this, and you opted for reverting that effort | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | instead of improving it / augmenting it | 18:50 |
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| MohammadAG | ...and it's an idiocy to revert it to incorrect info just because that incorrect info... | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | I'll ignore that for now, but please don't go over the line in calling it idiocy | 18:51 |
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| flailingmonkey | perhaps he did not know which was the correct order | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not discussing the order, I'm discussing the fact that there are inconsistencies | 18:53 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 18:53 | |
| MohammadAG | I know what order I can flash my device in | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | !seen jebba | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you not qualifying for the title idiot doesn't mean you're immune to doing idiotic things sometimes | 18:53 |
| timeless_mbp | infobot: seen jebba | 18:54 |
| infobot | jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 34d 15h 1m 45s ago, saying: 'perhaps just a dbus command will do it'. | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'll take that as an apology :) | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 18:55 |
| * SpeedEvil dries timeless_mbps tears. | 18:55 | |
| MohammadAG | meanwhile, my kernel build failed | 18:55 |
| * SpeedEvil puts away the flamethrower. | 18:55 | |
| flailingmonkey | so, looks like meego-arm team is scrambling some more, on this fine Day 1 | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: jebba has parted maemo/meEgo communtity - says MohammadAG | 18:55 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=734752&postcount=12 DocScrutinizer timeless_mbp | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 18:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/questions/theman/post759661 - Revenge - a dish best served fried. | 18:58 |
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| pupnik_ | any reason for that MohammadAG51 ? | 19:02 |
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| Lullen | Can anyone help me with a undefiend reference problem? | 19:05 |
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| _Lucretia_ | when compiling my new toolchain, do I use the glibc that is in /scratchbox/host_shared ? | 19:06 |
| ml-mobile | pupnik_: He's moved on to the Ben, which has a fully open source stack | 19:06 |
| timeless_mbp | what's Ben? | 19:07 |
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| ml-mobile | one sec | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ben nanonote? | 19:07 |
| ml-mobile | yes that | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | so.. | 19:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here willing to donate some server resources to me? :/ | 19:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless_mbp: yes, but I have a shitty connection, so you don't want it. | 19:09 |
| sar3th | is it possible to get the music player of the n900 to work with a nokia headset like this one? http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002OM7VP4/ref=oss_product | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | I _think_ so - but I don't think the buttons work. | 19:10 |
| * SpeedEvil also needs to do some shopping. | 19:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | 6 weeks, and I'm running out of groceries. | 19:11 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, do you just have gobs of time on your hands today? :P | 19:11 |
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| sar3th | SpeedEvil: the headset itself works, just as the one which came with the n900, but the button's don't, so i wondered whether it is possible to somehow fix that | 19:11 |
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| w00t_ | GAN900: hm? | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | sar3th: I'm fairly sure in principle it can be done - from memory the headset uses a few resistors to determine which button is pushed, and the hardware capability exists. | 19:21 |
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| sar3th | that's what i hoped SpeedEvil. are you aware of anyone who could have an idea how to do it/is willing to do it? | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | sar3th: The kernel and application layers don't support this though, and I'd have to recheck if it is in fact even in principle supported - I'm not completely sure on the design of the headset - how it would normally present the buttons in that case - and also unsure that the range is adequate to sense all buttons. | 19:22 |
| sar3th | k | 19:22 |
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| alterego | I think it uses pulses actually, I've looked into this before. | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | First, if you could find a spec for what that headset presents to the n900 in terms of resistance/protocol, that would be helpful. | 19:23 |
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| sar3th | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Accessories-Car-Phones-and-Other/Technical-question-Nokia-Stereo-Headset-WH-701/m-p/711107#M17136 | 19:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - actual details - not speculation. | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | As in 'I hooked a scope to it, and it did', or protocol specs | 19:28 |
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| sar3th | "I have tried "Nokia AV Hardware Interface Specification" but I found that "Control data and advanced accessories are proprietary of Nokia and are not covered in this document."." | 19:28 |
| sar3th | :| | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's lileky someone would have at some point measured this - if they documented it is another issue | 19:29 |
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| alterego | Well, remote uses microphone rail | 19:30 |
| alterego | Why not just look at it through gstreamer :) | 19:30 |
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| sar3th | alterego: if you can explain me what i need to do, i will do it | 19:31 |
| sar3th | i'd also hook it up to a scope, but currently i don't have access to one :/ | 19:31 |
| alterego | Unfortunately I'm a bit busy to get involved in something like this tbh. | 19:31 |
| sar3th | aaw :/ | 19:32 |
| sar3th | das ok though, i know what that's like ;) | 19:33 |
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| D-Iivil | evening | 19:34 |
| sar3th | hi D-Iivil | 19:35 |
| D-Iivil | Almost feels like summer :) It's +23 C and sun is still shining. | 19:36 |
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| alterego | Wow, the meego handset reference ui looks aweful :P | 19:39 |
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| GAN900 | Looks like an iPhone | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sar3th: If you could start maemo recorder and record thru headset mic... | 19:40 |
| alterego | And what's with the dedicated SMS app ... | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sar3th: then record a constant noise (beep or something), and press a few buttons (make notes which button pressed which tiime of recording) | 19:41 |
| sar3th | ok DocScrutinizer, will do asap :) | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sar3th: then remove the beep source and do all buttons again | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sar3th: then send the recorded file by email, or upload it somewhere | 19:42 |
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| sar3th | ok | 19:50 |
| sar3th | the problem will be to keep track which button i pressed when :/ | 19:50 |
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| GAN900 | w00t_, Talk posting. | 19:53 |
| w00t_ | nah, just feeling hyperactive | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sar3th: just *say* it? ;-D | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems the hw can cope with quite a range of signals | 20:04 |
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| Pawni | Hi :) should I do anything about this: W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 20:09 |
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| Pawni | I get it when running scratchbox "fakeroot apt-get update" | 20:09 |
| Pawni | on ubuntu 9.10 | 20:09 |
| fledermaus | I'd guess it was trying to check package signatures. | 20:11 |
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| Pawni | is it something I should worry about? I'd figure the W: stands for warning so it wouldn't be anything serious | 20:12 |
| fledermaus | If I'm right, it's just trying to verify that the packages are signed by a known key, so unless you're worried someone is feeding you trojan horses... | 20:13 |
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| sar3th | DocScrutinizer: why did i not think of that lol | 20:16 |
| sar3th | now i wrote down in which order i pressed the buttons and the approx times | 20:16 |
| Pawni | fledermaus, thanks :) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sar3th: tbh we'll probably not be able to completely analyze the protocol down to the button that way. But we might get a clue what to do next | 20:19 |
| sar3th | i'm willing to try anythign which could help =) | 20:20 |
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| sar3th | alright, i packed the file up, along with a text file explaing what was pressed when (roughly) | 20:23 |
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| sar3th | http://www.mediafire.com/?dhnmmyj4jgz | 20:27 |
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| _Lucretia_ | anyone rebuilt glibc for arm for a foreign toolchain? | 20:30 |
| Lullen | Can anyone help me with a undefiend reference problem? | 20:31 |
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| fledermaus | Lullen: you may have more luck if you actually gove some more details, people tend not to answer if the question is on the vague side. | 20:31 |
| flailingmonkey | my friend named her cat Lucretia | 20:31 |
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| _Lucretia_ | fledermaus: I downloaded the source package which contains all the archives and a debian dir with patches | 20:33 |
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| lardman | evening all | 20:33 |
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| _Lucretia_ | having never built a deb I'm not sure of how to build it from scratch and which patches to apply | 20:33 |
| fledermaus | is the source already unpacked? | 20:34 |
| fledermaus | or do you have .orig and .dsc and so forth? | 20:34 |
| _Lucretia_ | I have the glibc_2.5.1-1eglibc25+0m5.tar.gz, not the dsc | 20:35 |
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| wazd | well :) | 20:36 |
| wazd | looks a bit boring :) | 20:36 |
| fledermaus | and yuou've unpacked that and have a .../debian/ directory inside it? | 20:36 |
| fledermaus | you've | 20:36 |
| _Lucretia_ | yep | 20:37 |
| _Lucretia_ | and source archives | 20:37 |
| fledermaus | ok. from one level above the debian directory (ie top level of the source) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 20:37 |
| ZogG | so meego is out =) | 20:37 |
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| lardman | what's maemian? | 20:38 |
| flailingmonkey | have they made the code drop now? | 20:38 |
| ZogG | it';s maemo mania =) | 20:38 |
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| ZogG | flailingmonkey yes | 20:38 |
| _Lucretia_ | fledermaus: how do i tell it which toolchain to use (the one in $HOME/opt/gcc-4.5.0-glibc2.5-arm7/)? | 20:39 |
| ZogG | but from 3meego i understand the flasher would not work =) | 20:39 |
| fledermaus | _Lucretia_: you're doing this in scratchbox, I assume. | 20:39 |
| flailingmonkey | i hope someone does a video/screenshot tour, as I'm not going to do an install of it for a few weeks yet | 20:39 |
| ZogG | flailingmonkey, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/ | 20:39 |
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| _Lucretia_ | nope | 20:39 |
| _Lucretia_ | outside | 20:39 |
| fledermaus | oh. er. then I dunno, sorry :) | 20:40 |
| lardman | anyone know the url of the builder for extras-devel? | 20:40 |
| _Lucretia_ | i read that trying to build a cross compiler inside scratchbox doesn't work for some reason | 20:40 |
| lardman | or rather the built packages? | 20:40 |
| flailingmonkey | ZogG: that is not even the image they are working on currently :P thats just core | 20:40 |
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| flailingmonkey | they should have a drop of the handset UX ready, they were still trying to make conmand handle wifi consistently earlier | 20:41 |
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| lardman | flailingmonkey: oh right, so that's quite good news then | 20:42 |
| ZogG | flailingmonkey sorry | 20:42 |
| ZogG | there is no image only code drop | 20:42 |
| wazd | lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 20:42 |
| ZogG | tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php | 20:43 |
| _Lucretia_ | fledermaus: should I be building this toolchain from within sb then? | 20:43 |
| lardman | wazd: I wanted the source code for a built package, thanks though, I just grabbed the source to look at locally | 20:43 |
| ZogG | so funny - the opensource project but still on dev.nokia and downloadeable only with IMEI =) | 20:43 |
| wazd | lardman: ah :) | 20:43 |
| fledermaus | _Lucretia_: I honestly don't know. I haven't done much cross compiling other than straight up packages in sb. | 20:44 |
| _Lucretia_ | ok | 20:44 |
| fledermaus | never even tried to bootstrap the toolchain | 20:44 |
| _Lucretia_ | yeah, it's not documented | 20:44 |
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| _Lucretia_ | only the sb stuff, but this is a bit too specific | 20:44 |
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| flailingmonkey | _Lucretia_: you might want to find resources that are more general than maemo, maybe even the people that develop the toolchain stuff | 20:48 |
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| _Lucretia_ | well, I could just download the generic glibc source with the same version, but I've no idea just how this will affect any running programs | 20:49 |
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| wazd | if anyone is using Marina here, can you please check if it's optified or not? | 21:00 |
| lcuk | wazd it doesnt matter, in pr1.2 the whole themes folder is automagically optified wholesale | 21:01 |
| lcuk | no faff | 21:01 |
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| wazd | lcuk: oh, thanks | 21:01 |
| flailingmonkey | wazd: you could download the deb and use dpkg to list where it would put files | 21:01 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, lcuk has better answer :) | 21:01 |
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| Timbo | anyone know if you can boost the range of the n900 ir transmitter through software? | 21:02 |
| Timbo | probably wishful thinking... | 21:02 |
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| flailingmonkey | well, its not really through "software" if you manipulate the registers that control the TX power. but thats up to the chip | 21:03 |
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| Timbo | right but i guess what i mean is if there is an interface for that it /sys/ somewhere | 21:06 |
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| flailingmonkey | depends on the driver | 21:09 |
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| flailingmonkey | oo, pretty | 21:11 |
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| flailingmonkey | check out: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh, meego crap in #maemo :/ | 21:12 |
| flailingmonkey | lol, the video of the UX shows that it has a cursor enabled atm | 21:13 |
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| wazd | damn | 21:14 |
| wazd | it really charges wirelessly | 21:14 |
| flailingmonkey | what charges wirelessly? | 21:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | The fremantle UX is still superior to meego handset ux, but thats not too surprising | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazd: PoE(802.11ray) ? | 21:20 |
| wazd | flailingmonkey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs | 21:21 |
| wazd | flailingmonkey: look closely at the battery icon | 21:21 |
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| wazd | DocScrutinizer: that's how magic called nowadays? :) | 21:21 |
| wazd | DocScrutinizer: PoE(802.11ray): the gathering :D | 21:22 |
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| flailingmonkey | rofl, it's draining ATP from the presenter's hands | 21:25 |
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| flailingmonkey | actually, you could easily make an inductive charging battery for N900, as long as you make a custom backplate too | 21:27 |
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| flailingmonkey | probably use the chargers for the Palm phones | 21:27 |
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| ToJa92_ | anyone here know their way around grep and regex? I'd like to use the expression '100|[1-9][0-9]|[0-9]' but it doesn't work :( | 22:35 |
| valdyn | ToJa92_: '\(100\)... | 22:37 |
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| valdyn | ToJa92_: what's the pipe symbol doing there? | 22:39 |
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| ToJa92_ | valdyn: I want it to match either 100, 10 - 99 or 0-9, but I'm not very good with regex | 22:39 |
| sar3th | DocScrutinizer: did you get the linky? | 22:40 |
| valdyn | ToJa92_: first you need to embed each token longer than one character into braces like I did | 22:40 |
| ToJa92_ | should I replace the brackets or keep them? | 22:41 |
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| ToJa92_ | valdyn: Nevemind, solved it in a different way :) | 22:43 |
| Kowalczyk | hmm. Watching this video: at 5:58 he has his IP wlan0 192.168.1.4 on his desktop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6zNfBczub8&feature=PlayList&p=0C65179719B2951F&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=6 how to do that? is that conky or so? | 22:43 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: you there? | 22:45 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer51: you there? | 22:45 |
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| Kowalczyk | or is there any other way to get that on the desktop? | 22:47 |
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| Kowalczyk | 17 | 22:50 |
| Kowalczyk | ehh | 22:50 |
| Kowalczyk | sorry | 22:50 |
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| pyther24 | Any one use mplayer with their n900? | 22:59 |
| pyther24 | I get Can't open /dev/dsp | 22:59 |
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| greenfly | you'll probably need to figure out how to get mplayer to play along with pulse audio | 23:00 |
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| pyther24 | ok is their a good youtube client that works without mplayer than? | 23:01 |
| * greenfly shrugs | 23:01 | |
| dotblank | greenfly, isn't it just -ao pulse ? | 23:02 |
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| pyther24 | I tired -ao pulse but still get no audio | 23:02 |
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| greenfly | dotblank: could be, I'm not busy enough to avoid irc altogether right now, but too busy to do the research for him | 23:02 |
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| dotblank | pyther24, did you double check for stipid things.. like silent profile or other programs running or a browser window open with flash | 23:03 |
| pyther24 | I'm not getting any sound from flash either | 23:03 |
| dotblank | stupid* | 23:03 |
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| dotblank | pyther24, is pulse running? | 23:04 |
| dotblank | ps -A | grep pulse | 23:04 |
| pyther24 | I can check, though I would assume sense the media player works | 23:05 |
| pyther24 | Now youtube is working | 23:05 |
| dotblank | is pulse mplayer compiled with pulse support? | 23:05 |
| lcuk | how come edits can occur on talk.maemo.org without the "post edited by vvvvv because vvvvv" | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, think it's a vbulliten problem | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, it happens when you edit quickly | 23:06 |
| lcuk | hmm | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, and it happens on all forums i've been on | 23:06 |
| lcuk | konttori, really liking qml arent you :D | 23:06 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, slashdot: no editing, no deleting - you post thats it. how a forum should be | 23:06 |
| pyther24 | meh the last update to mpayler was in 09 | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | no revisionist history :D | 23:07 |
| pyther24 | err... 2008 | 23:07 |
| pyther24 | so that would explain why pulse doesn't work :( | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | i'm back from london | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | from US embassy | 23:07 |
| konttori | lcuk: yea. did you see http://gitorious.org/qmlarcade/qmlarcade/blobs/master/src/main.qml | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, i'd leave all forums | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | i always edit my posts right after i post them | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | bitch decided to don't give me a visa | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | just without any questions | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | she gave me my passport back | 23:08 |
| lcuk | konttori, awesome! | 23:08 |
| eitama_ | infobot, extras-devel | 23:09 |
| infobot | [extras-devel] http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | can anyone test if gnome-nettool deserves an ANNOUNCE thread? :) | 23:11 |
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| eitama_ | you want me to install it MohammadAG51 ? | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, if you want, don't expect an epic UI :P | 23:13 |
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| eitama_ | What does it do? | 23:13 |
| eitama_ | (Running apt-get update) | 23:14 |
| eitama_ | (then i'll install) | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, network tools | 23:15 |
| eitama_ | what like dig? ping traceroute? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | ping, netstat, finger, whois | 23:15 |
| eitama_ | aha | 23:15 |
| eitama_ | nice | 23:15 |
| eitama_ | those tools don't deserve a gui (; | 23:16 |
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| eitama_ | omg 6mb | 23:17 |
| eitama_ | is it optified? | 23:17 |
| pyther24 | to bad there is no easy way to get tap tools in maemo | 23:18 |
| eitama_ | MohammadAG51, I think I just lost 3MB on gnome-nettool | 23:18 |
| eitama_ | Something's not optified | 23:18 |
| eitama_ | 3.5MB | 23:18 |
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| eitama_ | Mohammad!!!!!!! | 23:20 |
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| eitama_ | MohammadAG51, traceroute is not working | 23:20 |
| eitama_ | (: | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ping | 23:31 |
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| pyther24 | If I modify a tweaker profile (save it as the same name though) do I have to reselect it in alarmed? | 23:34 |
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| Appiah | is the Maemo SDK Virtual Image up-to-date? | 23:39 |
| Appiah | says karmic desktop/server but when I go to the download it says intrepid server virtual SDK image ? | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | Appiah, its been noticed before also | 23:43 |
| lcuk | i think a bug has been filed | 23:43 |
| Appiah | is that a : no | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, it's in -devel for a reason | 23:45 |
| Appiah | ? | 23:45 |
| * lcuk hmmms | 23:45 | |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, i'm assuming the rest of it works | 23:45 |
| eitama_ | i just tried ping and trace | 23:46 |
| eitama_ | ping worked | 23:46 |
| eitama_ | sec i'll test some more | 23:46 |
| BluesLee | does someone have a tarball of the meego 1.0 handset release? | 23:46 |
| eitama_ | the fonts are ugly and barely readable | 23:46 |
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| eitama_ | actually they are not ugly just small | 23:47 |
| eitama_ | too small | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: ? | 23:48 |
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| eitama_ | MohammadAG51, everything works but traceroute | 23:48 |
| eitama_ | netstat seems to be missing a mode : show current active tcp/udp | 23:49 |
| eitama_ | connections | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | traceroute doesn't work for some reason | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | it needs iputils-traceroute (?), which i uploaded | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it's not working | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, it's a port doh :) | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, run it as gnome-nettool from terminal and see how bad it is | 23:50 |
| lcuk | Appiah, it does appear to be outdated | 23:50 |
| eitama_ | as root or user? | 23:50 |
| Appiah | ah | 23:50 |
| lcuk | bug 10636 mentions nothing being available | 23:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10636 Unable to download Maemo 5 SDK virtual image | 23:50 |
| lcuk | but the contact on that bug seems very wrong | 23:51 |
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| Appiah | I been having problems with my SDKs and thought "fuck it , ill go with the bundle virtual image" | 23:51 |
| * SpeedEvil pokes lcuk with a sharpened cabbage. | 23:51 | |
| Appiah | but that's outdated.. | 23:51 |
| lcuk | sure Appiah | 23:51 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ahh sorry | 23:51 |
| b-man | lol | 23:51 |
| eitama_ | MohammadAG51, how come it looks different when it's ran from terminal then from icon? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | someone mentioned power consumption of different intel devices | 23:51 |
| Appiah | lcuk: sure what | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right | 23:51 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, <trip0> looks like moorsetown consumes about 4watts full-till. my sheevaplug consumes about 6W w | 23:52 |
| lcuk | how well does out n900 do? | 23:52 |
| lcuk | if those figures make sense | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | depends how you determine full tilt. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It can use about 3-4W full tilt if you do silly stuff. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | i know theres a massive difference between idle and full | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | The CPU flat out alone is only about half a watt though | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | And CPU idle is more like 15mW | 23:53 |
| lcuk | hah | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, top end is not interesting | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, bottom is | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe 5 - depending on stuff | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | user | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | eitama_, exercise for you i suppose :D | 23:53 |
| lcuk | GAN900, i could live my life without knowing about your bottom end | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | Atom doesn't change much between full tilt and idle | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Which is what makes it useless as a mobile CPU | 23:54 |
| lcuk | Appiah, hmm the problem is, im not sure who the contact would be, the vmware image just magically appears everynow and then | 23:54 |
| lcuk | its like sock gnomes | 23:54 |
| Appiah | ah | 23:55 |
| eitama_ | MohammadAG51, lol i'll kick you butt! | 23:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, GAN900 15mw! | 23:55 |
| Appiah | so no one listed here : https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemovmware | 23:56 |
| Appiah | knows anything? | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | any of those probably do | 23:56 |
| lcuk | but the person assigned to the bug report i mentioned isnt listed in those people | 23:57 |
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| Appiah | the mailinglist has like 1-2 mails/month | 23:57 |
| Appiah | and no repsonse | 23:57 |
| Appiah | this is just sad | 23:57 |
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| Appiah | well guess I'll starting hunting for people responsible later | 23:58 |
| Appiah | meanwhile.. I'll just try to fix the current SDK | 23:58 |
| lcuk | Appiah, have you tried the intrepid image | 23:59 |
| Appiah | no | 23:59 |
| lcuk | does it have a datestamp on it | 23:59 |
| lcuk | damn | 23:59 |
| Appiah | should I even? | 23:59 |
| Appiah | maemosdk_server_intrepid-10-08.vmdk | 23:59 |
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| Appiah | I can try to launch it | 23:59 |
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