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| DrGrov | asj_: I am not a programmer myself but I do know other things. | 00:01 |
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| DrGrov | asj_: Since the AutoDisconnect app could do disconnect why not do a AutoConnect app that does the reversed thing? | 00:01 |
| DrGrov | pahartik: yes, WCDMA not disabled. Can be chosen but not preferred by default. | 00:02 |
| asj_ | DrGrov: that's effectively what I said, you can write it as a shell script, look up bash scripting, and dbus command line tools | 00:02 |
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| ptl | DrGrov: install dbus-scripts, it helps | 00:03 |
| pahartik | DrGrov: I do not know if current dual mobile uplink mode is implemented in userspace of Linux, but if it is... Preference of GPRS should be simple | 00:03 |
| DrGrov | asj_: I could start to look into it. Would be very interesting to see whether it can be done. | 00:03 |
| DrGrov | pahartik: yes, if it is implemented and probably it is somehow. | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | I think I will try to find out some more information first and then try to see what can be done. | 00:04 |
| asj_ | DrGrov: it's trivial, imho, it's just can you do it :) | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | asj_: I am sure I can do it. I just need to get my greasy fat fuck fingers to work ;) | 00:05 |
| asj_ | :) | 00:05 |
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| DrGrov | asj_: The only minor thing that I need is to get a good overview with scripting first. Especially dbus scripting. | 00:06 |
| DrGrov | I have mainly just built build-scripts for my desktop computer which were quite easy. | 00:06 |
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| pahartik | DrGrov: Source of "2G/3G/Dual Mode Selection Applet" could help? | 00:09 |
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| DrGrov | pahartik: yes, that will help tremendously | 00:10 |
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| DrGrov | Is it difficult to get a new bootsplash installed instead of the default Nokia with the two hands? | 00:27 |
| Macer | DrGrov: if you find out let me know ;) | 00:28 |
| Macer | i hate the nokia one too. used to be able to do it in maemo4 | 00:28 |
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| DrGrov | Macer: sure, i will tell you if I find out how to do it. | 00:30 |
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| ruskie | DrGrov, Macer there's a bootsplash selection app in the repos... install it and have fun | 00:35 |
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| DrGrov | ruskie: which repos? | 00:37 |
| ruskie | extras or extras testing | 00:38 |
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| ruskie | or maybe devel | 00:38 |
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| _0x471 | hiho! | 00:44 |
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| _0x471 | what would you do if you'd have an package to upload but the autobuilder complains about it beeing in the repos already. I have (and need) a newer version of it... | 00:45 |
| _0x471 | ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package sdl-mixer1.2 provides binary package libsdl-mixer1.2 which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented. | 00:45 |
| ruskie | host it on your own repo... or just dpkg -i it yourself on the device | 00:45 |
| _0x471 | i need it as an dependency for another one that I want to upload to extras-devel | 00:46 |
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| _0x471 | can i not update the original package_ | 00:46 |
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| _0x471 | ? | 00:46 |
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| _0x471 | err, may I... | 00:46 |
| _0x471 | ? | 00:46 |
| ruskie | no clue | 00:47 |
| _0x471 | hm k | 00:47 |
| _0x471 | thanks anyway! | 00:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | patch the app to use old version | 00:48 |
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| _0x471 | MohammadAG51: It is not a dependency, but turns somewhat out to really need it. I'm building from sources, so I cannot just lower the version of the dep. Well, I could actually try if it really works with this newer version (what I expect), but if yes I will end up still needing the updated version in the repos. No chance to update the existing version? It doesn't conflict with any other app normally. | 00:50 |
| _0x471 | I guess it doesn't make sense to rename my package to something like libsdl-mixer1.2.8, does it? | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | ask X-Fade when he's on, but I doubt it's updatable | 00:51 |
| _0x471 | here on IRC? | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | you could do that | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, but he's idle on weekends | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | he's on atm, but idle | 00:52 |
| _0x471 | MohammadAG51: but that would be nasty imho. Would you recommend to rename my package even if the correct name is like the existing one? | 00:52 |
| _0x471 | k let me try to pm him | 00:53 |
| Macer | ah | 00:53 |
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| Macer | uses an h264 avi? | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | If you rename it, then you have to ensure that the files it installs do not conflict with the files the other package installs | 00:57 |
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| _0x471 | ShadowJK: True, that is not an option, libs probably won't work very well being renamed | 00:57 |
| _0x471 | Anyone had a similar situation? :/ | 00:58 |
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| cehteh | woops ... | 01:05 |
| cehteh | [10065.578735] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed | 01:05 |
| cehteh | [10065.772552] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open | 01:05 |
| cehteh | .. just happend while the device laying on the table | 01:05 |
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| cehteh | nothing moved there | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | can't mv sysnodes :-/ | 01:05 |
| asj | cehteh: stop swipping magnets over it ;) | 01:06 |
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| cehteh | no didnt | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err | 01:06 |
| cehteh | just laying on the table playing webradio | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | EMP? | 01:06 |
| asj | solar rays | 01:06 |
| cehteh | whatever | 01:06 |
| cehteh | is that a reed or a hall-sensor? | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw aren't the timetags supercool? | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jiffies since epoch - what a shit | 01:07 |
| cehteh | not that much, but useful sometimes | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: guess it's a hall | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or GMR or whatever | 01:08 |
| cehteh | well i mounted the device in my neoprence case today on my bike, it got some vibration | 01:08 |
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| cehteh | but well .. some vibration should be acceptable | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, can't rename szsfs node, so need to hex patch mce :-( | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart MCE | 01:10 |
| * infobot cuts off MCE's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper | 01:10 | |
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| Jef91 | Anyone not able to get on the ovi store with the n900? | 01:11 |
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| Jef91 | keeps telling me my device is not supported | 01:11 |
| asj | there's something on the Ovi store? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wish I never was able to ovi | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | I just posted my longest post on TMO | 01:13 |
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| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731976&postcount=31 | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | OMFG | 01:13 |
| * asj reads the first line, then skips to the end | 01:13 | |
| asj | wow, crashanddie and has a gf? | 01:14 |
| asj | ;) | 01:14 |
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| cehteh | Nokia-N900:~# swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 01:14 |
| cehteh | Killed | 01:14 |
| cehteh | mhm :) | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, not impressed. | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | piss off | 01:15 |
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| asj | I think passing on information is good, the problem with forum posts, like email, no one reads long ones | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | I was bored as the gf was watching "Le Grand Bleu" | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: sorry, tl;dr | 01:17 |
| asj | I get bored during most french movies too ;) | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: I only read lines under 25 chars. | 01:18 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: that was ~35 chars | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | does not parse | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - but I don't need to read what I write. | 01:19 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: hehe | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed, I often type with my eyes shut. | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | evidently | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil> asj: sorry, tl;dr | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tl;dr | 01:20 |
| Jef91 | is there a way I can add facebook to my sharing accounts for video and images on the n900? | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: he meant that I am the one who wrote the post, not asj | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah | 01:21 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | N900 says it supports (E)GSM 1700 MHz... | 01:21 |
| * SpeedEvil tends to write stuff at times that is too long. | 01:21 | |
| asj | Jef91: yes...it's built in | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | so I guess if the modem firmware was open, we could port it to CDMA 1700? ;) | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that link scares me | 01:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oops. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant to link to urbandictionary. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is generally a little more sane than encyclopediadramatica | 01:22 |
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| FredrIQ | too long | 01:23 |
| FredrIQ | didn't read | 01:23 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: tl;dr ;) | 01:23 |
| FredrIQ | =tl;dr | 01:23 |
| FredrIQ | np | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: ???? o.O | 01:23 |
| cehteh | [14720.587188] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reread | 01:23 |
| asj | I love the Ayne Rand, atlas shurgged tl;dr | 01:23 |
| cehteh | also nice .. better dont look under the carpet ;P | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: what the hell did you do? | 01:24 |
| cehteh | nothing .. just rebooted | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: what was unclear? | 01:25 |
| cehteh | well i have the power-kernel now | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gsm1700 | 01:25 |
| cehteh | and maybe my crappy AP influences that too | 01:25 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: the booklet says so | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. later | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no booklet now | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | just trust me then :P | 01:26 |
| cehteh | giving ext4 another try now | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | point being it's the same frequency used for CDMA here | 01:26 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: fail | 01:26 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: huh? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't. I asked for reread | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | careful reread | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | journal on flash = trouble | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to remove an incorrect thumb on a package? | 01:27 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: why that? | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I thumbed the wrong package version. | 01:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, cigar cutters remove thumbs | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: flash isn't write-in-order | 01:27 |
| cehteh | note that ext3 has also journal on flash | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I use ext2 | 01:27 |
| cehteh | and ubifs maybe too | 01:27 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: /home is ext3 by default | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | ubifs doesn't have a block emulation layer to go through | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Specifically, I have a version of a program installed from extras-devel - not testing - and I hadn't realised I was accidentally reviewing that | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: Nokia fail | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | on my most recent SSD install, I did ext4 minus journal ;) | 01:28 |
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| cehteh | last time i tried ext4 was *much* faster than ext3 ... | 01:28 |
| cehteh | yeah but i dont think 2.6.28 can handle no-journal ext4 already | 01:28 |
| luke-jr | ext4-minus-journal will be faster than both | 01:28 |
| ruskie | crashanddie, I wish I could give you a thanks on that pot... | 01:28 |
| cehteh | i can try .. backing up first | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: Ubuntu 10.04 can | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | just need to edit /etc/mke2fs.conf before formatting | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | remove journal from the ext4 options | 01:29 |
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| cehteh | yes i forgotten when this was added to the kernel, but i think later than .28 | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, journal is *always* bad for performance | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | it exists to prevent data loss, but on flash-block actually increases data risk | 01:30 |
| cehteh | i was playing with no-journal on DVD-RAM media some time ago and i remember when i started my kernel was to old for that | 01:30 |
| cehteh | journal is not always bad | 01:30 |
| crashanddie | ruskie: :) | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | journal on flash-block is :p | 01:30 |
| cehteh | if you place the journal on a extra device it might improve performance | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | ... | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Journaling FS canbe good for flash. | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's not the same as a simple journal | 01:31 |
| cehteh | anyways delalloc and extents give a huge performance boost | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | journal only works if it can be written before the actual changes are made | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | due to the nature of block-emulation on SD cards and such, there is no such guarantee | 01:31 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: well i was thinking SD-cards emulate write ordering | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: IIRC, they don't | 01:32 |
| cehteh | so you dont know? :) | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | IIRCD | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | IIRC* | 01:32 |
| cehteh | :P | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | it would be silly if they did | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | since write ordering is more wear | 01:32 |
| cehteh | well i just put ext4 on it .. at worst some files written to get damaged | 01:32 |
| _0x471 | ls -lah | 01:32 |
| _0x471 | oh | 01:33 |
| _0x471 | lol | 01:33 |
| _0x471 | sry | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: at worst, the whole FS is destroyed :) | 01:33 |
| cehteh | nah | 01:33 |
| cehteh | extfs fsck is quite good :P | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | good at making corruption worse1 | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | ! | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:34 |
| cehteh | well and MyDoc and mmc1 isnt that important for the device operation, as long i backup there is no problem | 01:34 |
| FredrIQ | this is how fiq is doing a modify of FS: | 01:34 |
| FredrIQ | * don't ever backup, it takes too much time | 01:34 |
| FredrIQ | * just do the job | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | .................... | 01:35 |
| FredrIQ | am i doing smth wrong? :3 | 01:35 |
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| FredrIQ | i've been lucky this far | 01:37 |
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| cehteh | mhm no ionice ... ok i didnt really expect it | 01:38 |
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| cehteh | but stuttering webradio while rsyncing sux | 01:39 |
| FredrIQ | ok, this: it's uncommon that i have something important stored on my computer | 01:40 |
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| FredrIQ | the worst thing that could happen is that i lose my irclogs | 01:40 |
| FredrIQ | or smth | 01:40 |
| FredrIQ | don't really care | 01:40 |
| FredrIQ | if i _have_ smth important | 01:40 |
| FredrIQ | which has happened ONE time | 01:40 |
| FredrIQ | i backup | 01:40 |
| cehteh | nokia used awesomely fast eMMC chips :P | 01:41 |
| cehteh | *yawn* | 01:41 |
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| cehteh | copying from µSD to mmc at 1MB/sec | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 01:42 |
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| FredrIQ | very fast card | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | The card itself does about 6M sequential write | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: nothing to do with that | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a buffer issue | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: dd will get you ~10 meg or better read and write | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | but with 3 different things on it, it becomes random I/O, and that's friggin slow | 01:43 |
| cehteh | fs overhead | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | mmc/sd is like a tape drive, it's fast as long as there are no seeks :P | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fast as long as there are no seeks to write. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Seeks to read are _much_ less painful. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like that | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (though not free) | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | right, random reads are fastish still :) | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And surprisingly, the two busses aren't that contended. | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Do dd if=/dev/mmc0 and dd if=/dev/mmc1 at the same time - and you get a speed of almost double. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, need to feed the ATM with a 10EUR note, so the withdrawal for the uUSB->mini-USB adapter won't fail :-S cya | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: I remember some 30 years ago some camera frak told me he always cleans his lenses with cigarette papers, as the soft cloth of paper towels catches hard dust and scratches it over the lens surface, while hard paper pushes away every dust particles. Wonder if same applies to touchscreens, or it's a urban legend all together | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if I start hijacking #Maemo for a game, will I get banned? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | (obviously I was just cleaning the ts with a towel) | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, try it :-P | 01:54 |
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| luke-jr | ]y | 01:54 |
| ljrbot | A yandere game is starting in 60 seconds! Please type "]yandere" to join. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the way you feel you should ask this, it sugests the answer is yes | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | bad logic | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | join :P | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | cehteh, ShadowJK, and SpeedEvil too | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I leave | 01:55 |
| luke-jr | aww | 01:55 |
| ljrbot | We don't have enough players yet. We need at least 4 players to start a game. I'll wait for another 60 seconds. Please type "]yandere" to join. | 01:55 |
| Ken-Young | The doctor *can't* leave #maemo! | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | yandere... | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | never heard about | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | maybe it's just in wrong language | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | (that i know the swe but not the eng word of it) | 01:56 |
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| luke-jr | FredrIQ: it's a Japanese word | 01:56 |
| ljrbot | There aren't enough players to start a yandere game. Try again later. | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | ah | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | I don't think there's an English equivalent | 01:56 |
| FredrIQ | ok then | 01:56 |
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| FredrIQ | then i've not played it ever i guess | 01:57 |
| * ShadowJK forgets which is which | 01:57 | |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: lrn2ask nicely? | 01:57 |
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| luke-jr | FredrIQ: it's like mafia | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | and I don't think I want to know | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | ]part nobody interested | 01:57 |
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| ShadowJK | isn't yakuza like mafia.. | 01:59 |
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| luke-jr | never heard of yakuza | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | perm Yandere channel is #yandere FWIW | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | I think yandere is like this word describing a stereotypical mental female | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | but I forget in what way mental | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | psychotic and violent, too | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | the game starts with the yandere killing someone off | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | :p | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | "Japanese term for a person who is initially very loving and gentle to someone before their devotion becomes destructive in nature, often through violence." | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | http://launchpad.net/yandere ;) | 02:03 |
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| * luke-jr ponders a global real-time yandere for Maemo users | 02:03 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, you're forgetting something :) | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | eg, GPS needs to register within N km of the target's current/last GPS location to spy/etc on them | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I'm forgetting a lot. | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, +o :) | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - missed that | 02:06 |
| FredrIQ | "oh - missed that" and forgetting to put it off | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:07 |
| FredrIQ | £away afk | 02:07 |
| FredrIQ | ups | 02:07 |
| FredrIQ | failing on that with the /nickserv identify would be... well, fail | 02:07 |
| FredrIQ | anyway, afk | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | pretty common | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | :P | 02:07 |
| FredrIQ | heh | 02:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hey, anyone here use microb w/ news.google.com? | 02:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | i've been using http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/mmcu.tar to make my life less painful... | 02:08 |
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| asj | timeless_mbp: I have on and off, grr works better most of the time imho | 02:16 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: and cursor mode helps since kb shortcuts work, mainly space etc | 02:16 |
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| jacekowski | http://i.imgur.com/Yd4xq.png | 02:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | asj: give that file a try | 02:17 |
| timeless_mbp | extract it from ~ | 02:17 |
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| * SpeedEvil is unsure it's possible to deop with pidgin. | 02:19 | |
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| tybollt | how do I make the maps I download go on eMMC and not mem card? | 02:21 |
| timeless_mbp | don't have a memory card? :) | 02:21 |
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| GAN900 | Classy dude right here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731940&postcount=39 | 02:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, /deop already :P | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't. | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | pidgin was being spectacularly unhelpful | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol :p | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm sure I tried that before. | 02:26 |
| ptl | does anyone know something about SMS message decodifying? | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: it'you mean taking out of 'PDU' format? | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: it's just a wierd 7 letter alphabet. (well, in the 'west') | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/ | 02:27 |
| ptl | I've got some messages that come with header data format 00000000, and that's usual 7-bits format; others that come with header 00001000 and that's 16-bit format; but I've got some that come from the web as 00000010 and it's some crazy encoding I can't figure out. | 02:28 |
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| ptl | :-/ | 02:28 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: yes, the program I use decodes both the 7-bit alphabet and the UTF-16 alphabet | 02:28 |
| ptl | but there's something else | 02:28 |
| ptl | and judgin by the array of bytes, that has a smaller length than the actual message, it must be a compressed format like 7-bits | 02:30 |
| ptl | 49 data bytes corresponded to 59 text characters | 02:30 |
| ptl | I've read dreamfabric's description, no clue to what's happening to me | 02:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | What happens if you send them to a normal phone? | 02:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - as a first cut - if this is something a reasonable user might do, and it doesn't work with n900 - submit a bug. | 02:34 |
| * SpeedEvil sings "Every Bug is sacred" - to the tune of a similar name from The Meaning Of Life. | 02:35 | |
| raster | every bug is good | 02:35 |
| raster | and if a bug is wasted... | 02:35 |
| ptl | the protocol identifier header shows as 01110010 | 02:35 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: N900 decodes them correctly | 02:35 |
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| ptl | SpeedEvil: and correctly shows the string: web: (www.torpedogratis.net) Some message Patola | 02:36 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: I need to know how to do that. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | isn't the bit that decodes them opensource? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or is that just the db they are stored in | 02:36 |
| ptl | Is it? | 02:36 |
| ptl | I dunno | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsure | 02:36 |
| ptl | :( | 02:37 |
| ptl | and I don't even know how to search for that bit | 02:38 |
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| ptl | some system daemon? part of hildon-something? | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 02:39 |
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| ptl | :[ | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=site:http://nobbi.com/+pdu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 02:40 |
| ptl | yes but I thought it couldn't be the 8-bits format since the length of the byte array was smaller than the length of the text message. | 02:42 |
| ptl | pduspy? hmm, lemme see | 02:43 |
| ptl | seems nice, a good tool to help me out on that. Thanks, DocScrutinizer51. Do you know if it works in Wine? | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea. What's Wine? :-P | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | a drink created in Redmond? | 02:46 |
| ptl | It works!!! Nice!! | 02:46 |
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| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: Found it! Thanks! | 02:55 |
| ptl | "no SMSC header (according to TS 3GPP 23.040) | 02:56 |
| ptl | now to understand what this means... lol | 02:56 |
| ptl | anyway, PDUspy decoded it correctly. | 02:59 |
| asj | ptl: trying to implement the IPoverSMS protocol that was on /. last week? | 03:01 |
| ptl | asj: I don't know what you are talking about... I don't think so, I was just trying to figure out the format of a weird SMS I got on my phone; N900 decoded it correctly but my python program didn't. | 03:01 |
| asj | ptl: some US Uni published some protocol, or study of moving largish quantities of data over SMS. Mainly targeted at poor areas with I can't remember what problems | 03:03 |
| ptl | asj: definitely not that | 03:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj: insane | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | If SMSs happen to be free there - they will _very_ rapidly stop people taking the piss like that. | 03:08 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: they were moving on the order of 16,000 smss | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the 6th one DocScrutinizer | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: here that would cost me 1600 pounds or so (on my current tarrif) | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Around $2500 | 03:08 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: that's cheap, we used to pay 0.25/message, so $4000, receiver paid too, so $8000 | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, some idiots did same shit with ISDN pre-call signalling | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, the LEDs in torch mode are safe to run for say... 2-3 hours right? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I think even with SMS | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I believe so. | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yes | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I've had them on for 5 hours, wih no measured depreciation in light output with my lux meter. | 03:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | thanks :) | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fair enough | 03:10 |
| asj | I think an argument was robustness in low bw areas or something. Presumably this would need the cooperation of the telco. | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's basically 'I can't think of anything sane to write a thesis on'. | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | IMO. | 03:11 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: hehe, touche | 03:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers his 6210 (1999) had a setting "WAP over SMS / WAP over APN" | 03:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably that's a rather poor choice for a thesis | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe write a thesis about ping? | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | equally exciting | 03:14 |
| asj | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/25364/ -- ah Waterloo, and it was 80,000 messages, lol | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds familiar, yes | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's again the epigons | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | been there, seen that, 10 years ago | 03:17 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: agreed, I don't see why it's that new...other than rural china is getting cell towers now, so they get 10 year old ideas recycled | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and they do same shit again, ruining a nice service by abusing it | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we had some SMS alike transfer of data with ISDN call establishing (some text shows up in your phone's display when inbound call rings) - some idiot invented an 'alternative' to dial-up daza connections supposedly free of charge. 2 weeks later the service was disabled on all ISDN networks | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There are valuable things to be done with SMS. | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the SMS-irc/or_twitter/or_whatever gateway is even some years older, and went along the same line, when SMS was for free here in Germany | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Gait analysis, typing analysis, and lexical analysis, with input from GPS, to prevent drunk texting. | 03:21 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: is stopping drunk texting really the most important thing people should be putting time into? People have to grow up some how | 03:23 |
| asj | and nothing like your ex-gf sending your drunk txt to all your friends for you to learn ;) | 03:23 |
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| cehteh | luke-jr: fyi the n900 power-kernel doesnt support no-journal ext4 | 03:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how the FSCK the "power kernel" has managed to get into extras | 03:30 | |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: not -devel? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, | 03:31 |
| asj | wow....that would seem a tad dangerous to unleash | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | found it in HAM when there was NO additional repo enabled | 03:31 |
| cehteh | its a dependecy of mobilehotspot :) | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, nuke mobilehotspot for that | 03:31 |
| asj | and mobilehotspot shouldn't be in extras based on my use of it last week | 03:32 |
| cehteh | well really i dont know, and i dont recommend that kernel to anyone | 03:32 |
| cehteh | but its good that its there | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not in EXTRAS!! | 03:32 |
| cehteh | yes in extras ... | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I'll promote my SoC-fry app to extras then | 03:33 |
| cehteh | awareness and discoverability outweight is drawbacks | 03:33 |
| cehteh | do that | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's mere BS. | 03:33 |
| cehteh | well for me it came with mobilehotspot but mobilehotspot didnt worked yet | 03:33 |
| cehteh | but while at it i tried some other things .. hey finally i overclock to 750Mhz and doing some undervolting | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | awareness and discoverability are exactly what forbids a potetially hazardous hacker thing like power kernel in extras, which by definition is considered safe | 03:34 |
| asj | from a purely pragmatic point of view, I think the prime concern is how safe is the isntall/removal. If it bricks to many devices you don't want nokia seeing it as a failure of the community system and stomping their foot | 03:34 |
| cehteh | actually this gives a decent battery boost .. i was biking 5 hours today with mappero running and lost only 2 battery bars | 03:35 |
| cehteh | with the default kernel and gps battery was almost flat after 4 hours | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sorry, you're an id.. err dangerously uninformed. Undervolting doesn't help anything except a minimal reduce in power consumption | 03:36 |
| cehteh | asj: yeah install/deinstall works, the power kernel people did a great job meanwhile | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't fix or minimize the damage done by overclocking | 03:36 |
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| asj | cehteh: it's not about working once, or twice it's about working 100k times. a 1% failure rate mean 1000 bricked phones | 03:36 |
| cehteh | thats why i dont try insane overclocking most of the time my device is below 600Mhz anyways | 03:37 |
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| cehteh | and evidence speaks against you .. i was biking 2 weeks ago with exactly the same but stock kernel and it sucked way more battery | 03:37 |
| pyther | cehteh: so you just installed the power user kernel and get improved battery or was there something else you did? | 03:37 |
| cehteh | pyhimys: configuring this undervolting/overclocking stuff .. by default it should work like the stock kernel (but it does not!) | 03:38 |
| cehteh | pyther: | 03:38 |
| asj | I had it installed last week (with no tweeks, no overclocking) and it seems playing mp3s is ate more power than normal. | 03:38 |
| cehteh | well .. actually Maep crashes the device .. but well it did that before too, but now way more often | 03:38 |
| pyther | cehteh: it doesn't automagically under/over clock does it? | 03:39 |
| cehteh | no it does not | 03:39 |
| cehteh | and by enabling a lot other stuff in the kernel i could imagine that it needs little more juice | 03:39 |
| pyther | ok, then I probably will simply prefer to stick with the stock kernel | 03:40 |
| cehteh | but this things are really hard to measure so i am careful | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's mere handwaving | 03:40 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well yes, i just 'think' it works for me, actually i am pretty sure (for this specific use-case) | 03:40 |
| cehteh | but i dont recommend or expect that it works for anyone else | 03:41 |
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| cehteh | i mean using 40% less battery charge is something i notice, whatever you try to tell me :) | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you claim it has better power management, by doing ONE(!!!) test, you don't know anything about reduced lifetime of the SoC, and your rationale is mere guessing | 03:42 |
| cehteh | lemme see if i can locate the bike trip 2 weeks ago on battery graph | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get 40% less battery consumption, when it's weekend and low traffic on IRC | 03:42 |
| cehteh | i had irc off on both occations | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no undervolting shit | 03:43 |
| cehteh | just mapper | 03:43 |
| pyther | DocScrutinizer: you use your n900 for irc all the time? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, and you probably also had GPRS disabled aka flightmode, yes? | 03:43 |
| cehteh | i often do too | 03:43 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: nope GSM .. | 03:44 |
| asj | pyther: sounds like a challenge, how much traffic can we send to DocScrutinizer before his battery dies and he falls offline ;) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | even with GSM without ANY data connection you possibly can suck a battery to flat in 4h, merely by cell handover | 03:44 |
| cehteh | yeah .. i'll watch it some more times | 03:45 |
| cehteh | maybe i should bike exactly the same route again with the power kernel :P | 03:46 |
| pyther | asj: haha | 03:46 |
| pyther | I got about 6-7 hrs using my phone straight installing new software and playing with it | 03:46 |
| pyther | of course I had a brand new battery | 03:46 |
| asj | cehteh: it's not a fair test. You need to buy a 2nd n900 and have them both side-by-side | 03:46 |
| cehteh | asj: i have xchat over openvpn and about 30 channels open .. at home on wlan battery lasts about 12-14 hours this way | 03:47 |
| * pahartik installed "kernel-power" immediately because IPv6 is specific requirement for my "Nokia N900" | 03:47 | |
| asj | and a power meter between the battery and device on both, since the bats aren't the same | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | There is already a power meter inside the n900 | 03:47 |
| cehteh | yeah i now try ext4 again (did that long time ago with t-tans kernel) | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter | 03:48 |
| cehteh | the overclocking/undervolting is just a plaything but there are a lot other useful things in the power kernel | 03:48 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: the Cortex has no self-protection when overheating or anything like that (SM mode?) | 03:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | No. | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | (and the damage is not due to overheating) | 03:56 |
| cehteh | well at some point its due oveheating | 03:58 |
| lcuk | pyther, most people technically have poorer battery the first time they start installing/playing with everything | 03:58 |
| lcuk | because they overload device and are always busy etc | 03:58 |
| lcuk | pleased you had a positive experience and hope it lasts | 03:59 |
| cehteh | after few weeks battery improves because you use the device less often .. and then battery degrading sets in :P | 03:59 |
| lcuk | i havent noticed | 03:59 |
| lcuk | my battery gets better and better as patches to os come in | 03:59 |
| cehteh | well i dont treat my battery well | 03:59 |
| lcuk | :) and ive got the oldest device around | 04:00 |
| lcuk | cehteh, i abuse my device horribly | 04:00 |
| lcuk | its a good job there isnt a protection society for them | 04:00 |
| cehteh | at home i leave it connected to usb or charger all day long | 04:00 |
| cehteh | i prefer to have a full battery when i leave the house | 04:00 |
| lcuk | do you leave screen on whilst charging | 04:00 |
| cehteh | no | 04:00 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 04:01 |
| cehteh | well liion dont like constantly at full charge .. mine degraded already a bit | 04:01 |
| cehteh | anyways i watch and see if this normal-form-factor 1700mah 3rd party batteries are at least half decent (thats more than 1320mah) | 04:02 |
| lcuk | cehteh, are you sure you did not just settle with a rather full working set of apps | 04:02 |
| cehteh | depends usually i dont have too much open | 04:03 |
| cehteh | webradio/mp3 almost always, and then sometimes few browser windows and whatever else i need | 04:04 |
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| jaem_n900 | Mornin' | 04:09 |
| Ken-Young | Evenin' | 04:10 |
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| ptl | Night | 04:11 |
| jaem_n900 | I've found a bug that seems to be triggered in Hildon-Desktop by a specific widget. Should I file that under H-D or the widget itself? | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If the widget is conforming to the API - then hildon | 04:12 |
| Ken-Young | I'd file it under H-D. | 04:12 |
| jaem_n900 | SpeedEvil, it's OMWeather, so I'd assume so. | 04:13 |
| Ken-Young | Well written code should be bullet proof. | 04:13 |
| jaem_n900 | Thanks. | 04:13 |
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| * GAN900 doesn't know why we had to change the name for the MeeGo "Conference" | 04:14 | |
| GAN900 | What a depressingly corporate introduction | 04:14 |
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| jaem_n900 | Oh, it's no longer a Summit? Lame. | 04:16 |
| GAN900 | Monday-Wednesday, too. | 04:16 |
| GAN900 | How anti-community. | 04:16 |
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| oneman | Hi | 04:34 |
| jaem_n900 | hello | 04:35 |
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| oneman | Incase anyone is interested, I have reverse engineered the network protocol of the FiOS TV Mobile Remote, if you have FiOS TV it is now possible to control your set top box via a Network. I have released the software here: http://github.com/oneman/FiosRemote Need testers! | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:36 |
| oneman | The reversing came from the android verizion fios mobile remote software, so now someone could write a special or generic remote control software for maemo and use the knowledge in that code to make it compatible with controlling FiOS TV STB's over a network | 04:38 |
| jaem_n900 | Awesome! Good one! | 04:38 |
| jaem_n900 | I live in the Barren Wastelands of the North, where we don't have such magical things - otherwise I'd be right on it. :P | 04:39 |
| jaem_n900 | er... Canada, that is. | 04:39 |
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| oneman | aye | 04:40 |
| jaem_n900 | oneman: do you have reference code, or just specs? | 04:41 |
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| oneman | Reference code mainly, I havn't fully documented the protocol, but I would talk to anyone about it who is interested | 04:42 |
| jaem_n900 | Hmm... well, as I said, I can't be of much help. I'm wondering, though... wasn't there a generic remote control app for Diablo that had a network backend of some sort? | 04:44 |
| jaem_n900 | Let me grab my N810 | 04:44 |
| jaem_n900 | ...from my belt. | 04:44 |
| jaem_n900 | I'm sick - this is an effort. :P (okay, just a cold...) | 04:44 |
| ohwhyme | hows the usb otg? | 04:44 |
| jaem_n900 | ohwhyme: on the N900? | 04:45 |
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| ohwhyme | yup | 04:45 |
| ohwhyme | cant really check the progress anymore since the thread is closed | 04:45 |
| jaem_n900 | Oh, I missed that. Did it devolve into inanity? | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwhyme: there's another thread where any real progress will get reported | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: If it's working, it will be widely trumpeted. | 04:47 |
| ohwhyme | ah | 04:47 |
| ohwhyme | thanks :) | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | currently progress is a bit stalled. | 04:47 |
| ohwhyme | anyone watch the england vs germany game? | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ohwhyme: several tens of thousands. | 04:48 |
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| jaem_n900 | oneman, yeah, irreco was it, as I thought. | 04:48 |
| ptl | who won? | 04:48 |
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| jaem_n900 | Maybe take a look-see at what writing a backend for it would take. | 04:48 |
| ohwhyme | germany 4-1 | 04:48 |
| ohwhyme | although lampard should have gotten a goal | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ohwhyme: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=18 | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem_n900: oneman: that's lirc basically | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | irreco based on lirc | 04:50 |
| jaem_n900 | DocScrutinizer: Isn't lirc just one backend for it? | 04:50 |
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| jaem_n900 | I don't know much about the app, but that's how it appears to be packaged. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lirc is the engine, irreco is the GUI | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lirc has a socket afaik, probably irreco is controlling lirc that way | 04:52 |
| jaem_n900 | http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html - First bit | 04:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil finds a kernel bug. | 05:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | echo 1 >/proc/timer_stats;sleep 5;echo 0 >/proc/timer_stats ;cat /proc/timer_stats | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | THERE IS NO AWK! | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (Ok, it's a really minor bug) | 05:20 |
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| Mr_Vu | holaaaa | 06:13 |
| Mr_Vu | como estan? | 06:13 |
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| pyther | I want to copy all my music to my device what is the bestway to do this? | 06:32 |
| SpeedEvil | what form is your music in? Wax cylinders, or sheet music? | 06:33 |
| pyther | SpeedEvil: mp3 and ogg | 06:34 |
| hardaker | usb cable; though over the air will work too. | 06:34 |
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| hardaker | usb cable is faster for that much data. | 06:34 |
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| pyther | hardaker: how would I do it over the air? | 06:34 |
| pyther | with ssh? | 06:34 |
| hardaker | yep. | 06:34 |
| hardaker | (or rsync if you need to match it up later again) | 06:34 |
| hardaker | (which is really rsync over ssh) | 06:35 |
| pyther | and how would I make it so the user is set to 'user' | 06:35 |
| SpeedEvil | doesn't matter | 06:35 |
| SpeedEvil | mydocs is vfat | 06:35 |
| SpeedEvil | it does not support users | 06:35 |
| pyther | ahh ok | 06:35 |
| pyther | that is cool | 06:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's really not. | 06:35 |
| asj | pyther: I hope you're not moving gigs and gigs ota | 06:35 |
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| pyther | asj: I'm gonna hook up the usb cable for the inital transfer | 06:36 |
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| pyther | where should I put the music? MyDocs/.sounds? | 06:36 |
| asj | I do MyDocs/Music | 06:36 |
| pyther | asj: can I point the music player there? | 06:36 |
| asj | I beleive it searches then entire mmc | 06:37 |
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| pyther | ahh okay cool | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | [22:35:32] <SpeedEvil> It's really not. | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:38 |
| pyther | thanks now time to rsync the collection | 06:41 |
| pyther | rsync will work great because if I delete music from my device it'll also delete it from my computer and vice versa | 06:42 |
| hardaker | I'm always tempted to reformat the mmc to something other than vfat. it's not like I ever connect the device to something that wouldn't undertand it. | 06:42 |
| RST38h | moo all | 06:44 |
| RST38h | hardaker: the wear leveling algorithms inside the card's controller are usually optimized for vfat | 06:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | [[citation needed]] | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, nokia might actually be able to extract more details on this. | 06:46 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 06:46 |
| hardaker | RST38h: Ah, that's where the stupidity lies. sigh. | 06:47 |
| pyther | can the media player use files on the mmc and sd card at the same time | 06:47 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 06:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It can only play one file at once. | 06:47 |
| pyther | but can it index both | 06:48 |
| pyther | so music from the mmc and ssd will be in the music database | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | the media player does not touch files | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | at least that's the concept | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | it only looks at the tracker database | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It can also be passed filenames, but tha'ts not how the 'browse' functions work. | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no way to browse a directory say. | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: there's a nice long writeup in LKML somewhere on flash cards and vfat | 06:49 |
| pyther | mmc: Three Days Grace | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: basically, if the flash card thinks you're using vfat, it will pre-clear blocks that are marked as deleted | 06:49 |
| pyther | sd: Linkin Park | 06:49 |
| luke-jr | making the wear-levelling more effective | 06:49 |
| pyther | now will the media player show both 3 days grace and linkin park in the browse screen? | 06:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I linked to that - as far as I can see - that's speculative. | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pyther: oh | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | pyther: It doesn't work like that | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | The tracker scans all filesystems it's been told to. | 06:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It then bundles these up into lists of albums or tracks. | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | The media player then shows these. | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't make any difference at all where they are | 06:52 |
| pyther | ok, so then does the tracker scan the sd card? If not is it possible to make the tracker scan the card? | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, and yes. | 06:53 |
| pyther | sweet | 06:53 |
| brolin_empey1 | Any ideas why I cannot get a reliable wireless LAN connection for my N900 with my Siemens SE567 (Telus) wireless ADSL gateway at home? :( | 06:54 |
| RST38h | one of them sucks. | 06:55 |
| pyther | SpeedEvil: I have seen media players that couldn't do that | 06:55 |
| RST38h | guess which one. | 06:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pyther: And teh n900s media player can;'t do browse by directory. | 06:55 |
| SpeedEvil | pyther: It will - for example - for some reason not pickup that a bunch of tracks ina directory should be treated as an album. | 06:56 |
| pyther | SpeedEvil: yah I figured that out, but it isn't a huge deal, for the most part my files are all tagged correctly | 06:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Which kind of sucks | 06:56 |
| brolin_empey1 | RST38h: My gateway? | 06:57 |
| RST38h | right. | 06:58 |
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| brolin_empey1 | RST38h: I was hoping someone had a suggestion before I try replacing my gateway. | 07:03 |
| RST38h | well, try switching off power saving on the n900 | 07:04 |
| RST38h | but your battery will run out real fast | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | grr | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to get the N900 to keep the GPS online always? | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | I added the desktop widget hoping that would do it, but as soon as the screen turns off it deactivates -.- | 07:05 |
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| brolin_empey1 | RST38h: We use DD-WRT on a Linksys WRT54GL v1.1 at work, which works well. I am considering buying a WRT54GL so I can use the same combination at home. I also have a different wireless ADSL gateway Telus gave me. It is a D-Link, which is usually bleh++, but I could at least try it before buying a WRT54GL. | 07:09 |
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| * RST38h uses DLink DI-624. Never had problems with it. | 07:17 | |
| RST38h | The stuff you get for free is usually substandard though. | 07:18 |
| * brolin_empey1 is going to try the D-Link. | 07:24 | |
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| IzzehO | is there an optimized chromium project for maemo yet? | 07:35 |
| IzzehO | on capped net and MicroB just doesn't handle slow connections | 07:35 |
| asj | isn't there opera? | 07:36 |
| IzzehO | Find that doesn't handle it anywhere near as well | 07:38 |
| asj | did you turn on "Turbo" mode? | 07:38 |
| IzzehO | Was curious anyway as to whether there is a decent GUI for chromium yet | 07:38 |
| IzzehO | turbo has never worked for m | 07:39 |
| IzzehO | actually to be fair.. haven't tried it on latest versions | 07:39 |
| asj | never had a problem with it... | 07:40 |
| IzzehO | mm yeah just tried it.. it's definitely faster | 07:40 |
| IzzehO | MicroB just gives up altogether loading graphically heavy pages.. | 07:40 |
| IzzehO | but turbo appears to be working | 07:40 |
| asj | used to use it on edge and gprs all the time, it's not like there's any options for it | 07:40 |
| IzzehO | I tried a fair while ago with it and it simply would time out | 07:40 |
| asj | huh | 07:41 |
| IzzehO | would get errors of not being able to connect | 07:41 |
| IzzehO | no matter.. it works now.. thanks for the reminder | 07:41 |
| asj | np,, hope it helps | 07:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug #10808 | 08:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10808 kernel oops on activating heartbeat trigger | 08:19 |
| asj | baaaah | 08:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "fast shutdown" :-P | 08:20 |
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| brolin_empey | RST38h: The D-Link box Telus gave me is definitely substandard: it is completely useless to me because I cannot make it use 192.168.0.2/24 instead of the shitty default 192.168.1.254/24. (epic fail) It also still has some info from a previous customer. | 08:29 |
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| tank-man | brolin_empey, want to know a secret | 08:54 |
| tank-man | get the telus tv and you can get free internet from the back of the box | 08:54 |
| tank-man | the new telus tv | 08:55 |
| brolin_empey | tank-man: Can I get Telus TV for less than the $25 or so per month I am currently paying for ADSL only? | 08:57 |
| tank-man | i have shaw. I only know that much about telus | 08:58 |
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| brolin_empey | tank-man: It sounds interesting, but pointless for me because I watch so little TV. I do not even have a TV. :) | 08:59 |
| tank-man | but I also heard its pretty fast and no download limits | 09:01 |
| tank-man | cause they don't monitor the tv stuff | 09:01 |
| tank-man | or cant | 09:01 |
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| brolin_empey | tank-man: That does not matter to me either because my current ADSL is already fast enough. I have never exceeded my monthly bandwidth limits with Telus ADSL because I do not download much and upload even less. | 09:04 |
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| arachnist | bandwidth limits? what's that? | 09:07 |
| arachnist | ;) | 09:07 |
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| luke-jr | brolin_empey: then why not just use dialup? ;) | 09:13 |
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| brolin_empey | luke-jr: Because I am not /that/ much of a masochist. I tried using dial-up on vacation last summer: it was so slow it was almost useless. | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | brolin_empey: most transfer limits I have seen are less than dialup | 09:16 |
| emja | meh, you kids. try 2400bps dialup. muahahaha | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | therefore, preferring them over dialup just implies impatience | 09:16 |
| emja | :) | 09:16 |
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| brolin_empey | emja: I am only 23, but I actually used an external 2400 bps dial-up modem to call the VPL (Vancouver Public Library)'s catalog before dial-up access to the catalog was finally discontinued in 2001. | 09:20 |
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| D-Iivil | Good morning everyone. | 10:10 |
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| tekojo | morning D-Iivil! | 10:14 |
| frals_ | morning o/ | 10:14 |
| Myrtti | meh | 10:14 |
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| D-Iivil | Does anyone know if it's possible to create a shorcut on the desktop which would launch shell script ran with root priveledges? | 10:25 |
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| D-Iivil | I have a very simple shell script that changes my theme's color scheme, but it needs root priviledges to copy files under /usr/share/themes. It works nice if you have rootsh installed and first type sudo gainroot and then run the script. Or is there another easy way to do such file actions (I'm not eager to learn new code language if not absolutely necessary...). | 10:28 |
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| tank-man | i thikn you can do it with something called setuid | 10:30 |
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| rmrfchik | I wonder, why people use 2g/3g switcher applet? Why to switch off 3G anyway? | 10:31 |
| MiXu- | 2G gives you more use time | 10:31 |
| MiXu- | a lot more | 10:31 |
| rmrfchik | ahh.. ok | 10:32 |
| rmrfchik | this is new for me ;) | 10:32 |
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| D-Iivil | rmrfchik: and for example my summer house is located in the border area of 2G/3G and phone constantly jumps between those two (3G really does not work) so it's handy to force the phone to 2G. | 10:33 |
| D-Iivil | tank-man: thanks, but googling setuid won't give any reasonable results :-/ can you point me closer what should I be looking for? | 10:34 |
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| hrw | [A | 10:36 |
| hrw | morning | 10:36 |
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| mikki-kun | morning as well *yawns* | 10:38 |
| tank-man | D-Iivil, this link looks informative http://www.evolt.org/article/UNIX_File_Permissions_and_Setuid_Part_2/18/263/index.html | 10:39 |
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| tank-man | in short, try this command "chmod u+s script.sh" | 10:40 |
| tank-man | as root | 10:40 |
| tank-man | and make the owner of the script, root | 10:40 |
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| D-Iivil | tank-man: noup.. still gives permission denied error when the script tries to copy stuff inside /usr/share/themes -folder | 10:42 |
| tank-man | is root the owner of the script? | 10:43 |
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| D-Iivil | tank-man: aah.. missed that line. Is this correct syntax: chown root yourscript.sh | 10:44 |
| D-Iivil | No go, still permission denied error. | 10:45 |
| tank-man | you have to be root user to do that chmod | 10:45 |
| tank-man | i mean chown | 10:45 |
| D-Iivil | tank-man: yeah, I did sudo gainroot myself before using chown | 10:46 |
| tank-man | did it work? | 10:46 |
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| D-Iivil | Noup. | 10:47 |
| D-Iivil | Permission denied for running cp -command in the script. | 10:47 |
| mikki-kun | tank-man: what does the "s" stand for in the chmod command? | 10:47 |
| tank-man | i think sticky bit | 10:48 |
| D-Iivil | Here's the script: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731695&postcount=14 | 10:49 |
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| tank-man | heres a link i found with what you want http://www.tuxation.com/setuid-on-shell-scripts.html | 10:49 |
| mikki-kun | hm, i've never encountered +s tbh | 10:50 |
| kejen | how does maemo do dns lookups? Just realized my resolv.conf is 127.0.01 | 10:50 |
| kejen | 127.0.0.1 i mean | 10:50 |
| kejen | was playing with openvpn, and wonder if it got overwritten | 10:51 |
| dazo | kejen: I believe it's dnsmasq which does all resolving | 10:52 |
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| dazo | I'm using openvpn with a down-root plug-in to update the resolver | 10:53 |
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| dazo | gah | 10:54 |
| kejen | its weird, with openvpn I couldnt resolve anything. Until I added some dns resolvers to resolve.conf | 10:54 |
| kejen | and also, when using the plugin vs calling it with openvpn --config (config), the routes are completely different | 10:55 |
| mikki-kun | kejen: could be that openvpn needs a working resolv.conf... | 10:55 |
| dazo | from my config: 'up /etc/openvpn/maemo-update-resolvconf' | 10:55 |
| dazo | (not sure where that script derives from, though) | 10:55 |
| mikki-kun | i've seen a bunch of oddities on the n900 linuxside tbh... | 10:56 |
| D-Iivil | tank-man: I think running "setuid" is somehow prevented in Maemo. I did exactly as the tutorial told me to do, but still no permission to run those commands :-/ | 10:56 |
| dazo | and then ... 'plugin /opt/openvpn/lib/openvpn/openvpn-down-root.so "script_type=down /etc/openvpn/maemo-update-resolvconf"' | 10:56 |
| kejen | i see that text file in the /etc/openvpn folder | 10:56 |
| tank-man | D-Iivil, yea, near the bottom of the page, it says if it doesnt work, the linux distro has it disabled (probably in the kernel) | 10:56 |
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| kejen | oh well, i just stick 4.2.2.2, and 4.2.2.1, and 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf, those will always work | 10:57 |
| D-Iivil | So then option b) how difficult would be to write that script in Python for example? And would that provide the solution? I want to make shortcut on application launcher so that user can run that setup anytime he wants without hassling with xterm. | 10:57 |
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| tank-man | D-Iivil, another way is configuring sudo and prepending all the 'root' commands in the script with sudo | 11:01 |
| D-Iivil | tank-man: sounds like stuff I don't want to do on other users device. | 11:01 |
| tank-man | i see | 11:02 |
| D-Iivil | Heh, I already installed QT SDK but I don't have a slighest glue on how to write such simple application that shows a dialog and then copies one folder to another location based on users choise :-D | 11:05 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, the qt sdk needs to be run in VM-ware, right? | 11:07 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: runs fine on windows machine. | 11:08 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivil: you just downloaded it and "executed" it? | 11:08 |
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| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: yep. Downloaded, excecuted the installer and then fired up the SDK. Seems to be working fine. | 11:09 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... at some point i need to finally start coding >.< let's see what i'll do first then... maybe some "hello worlds" ^^ | 11:10 |
| D-Iivil | But don't know if that's overkill.. All I want to do is include that small "setup wizard" with my theme that makes possible for user only install one package from repos and he gets to choose which color scheme he want's to use. | 11:10 |
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| D-Iivil | Don't really know if it's possible to include the setup wizard written in QT with theme package :-/ | 11:11 |
| mikki-kun | maybe include it as a stand-alone packet | 11:11 |
| tristan | i swear im seeing processes ive closed in ps x | 11:12 |
| tristan | and duplicates of almost everything | 11:12 |
| tristan | am i missing some fundamental fact here. | 11:12 |
| mikki-kun | which proccesses are those? and did you use "kill -9 $PID"? | 11:12 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: Then user would have to download two packages. I'm aiming to reduce the amount of packages I upload to repos since it seems to bother some people. | 11:12 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivil: hm, maybe just then give access to the theme-chooser app and host your themes on another server then | 11:13 |
| tristan | like, browser for instance. | 11:13 |
| tristan | ill ssh in and grab the ps x output, one moment. | 11:13 |
| mikki-kun | that would be a simple solution | 11:13 |
| tristan | im saying, i close the browser | 11:13 |
| tristan | yet i see two browser pids. | 11:13 |
| D-Iivil | Right now it's working just fine; user installs one theme with application manager and then during the installation he chooses which color scheme to use and he can also change that later by running the shell script from terminal. | 11:13 |
| mikki-kun | tristan: running here as well, i assume the browser has also some other function as the explorer.exe in windows... | 11:14 |
| mikki-kun | kinda dislike this behaviour... | 11:14 |
| mikki-kun | hm, so you want "major themes" which include all the color-codes... that's a cool idea from you :) | 11:14 |
| mikki-kun | tristan: i have browser running twice and browserd running trice... | 11:15 |
| tristan | hmm. | 11:16 |
| mikki-kun | i am currently restarting my n900 to check out if it loads it during start as well | 11:16 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: exactly! Black Plastic is now first that has that function (available @ extras-devel). Just want to make it easy to run the setup script again without re-installing the whole theme package or hassle inside terminal. | 11:16 |
| mikki-kun | hm, another cool thing would be to let the user choose then custom colors as well ^^ | 11:17 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: well.. it's not just setting color code in .css -file, different theme variations includes a bunch of graphics also (buttons etc). | 11:18 |
| mikki-kun | i can't kinda figure out myself how to make a theme by myself >.< i mean, throwing tools and apps at the user is nice, but without documentation it's a lil uncool | 11:18 |
| mikki-kun | i know... surely there is a way into changing those colors as well ;) | 11:18 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: there are some good tutorials that will guide you through creating a Maemo 5 themes. | 11:19 |
| D-Iivil | like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Theme_building | 11:19 |
| tristan | eh i had to cycle, my wifi was broken | 11:19 |
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| mikki-kun | tristan: i have running browserd -d only after a reboot | 11:19 |
| tristan | ill output the ps x results sometime when i see it next, maybe its just browser having lots of roles. | 11:19 |
| tristan | im basically trying to work out why my battery is self destructing. | 11:19 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivil: thanks for that link | 11:20 |
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| mikki-kun | tristan: display can kill it, as well as maybe some apps | 11:21 |
| mikki-kun | either due to bad coding or heavy usage of a certain device like the GPS-module | 11:22 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: basically you just edit one single png -file that is the theme template. And then backgrounds etc. and finally pack it all up in .deb inside scratchbox or then use extras autobuilder. | 11:22 |
| tristan | well, | 11:22 |
| tristan | i screenshooted my battery meter | 11:22 |
| tristan | its when i turn on 3g and my mobile internet | 11:22 |
| tristan | it can pillage 25% of the battery in half an hour | 11:22 |
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| mikki-kun | tristan: 3g is from what i read and heard the one killing your bat the fastest... | 11:22 |
| tristan | thats a bummer. | 11:23 |
| tristan | im new to this mobile internet stuff:p i cant use my data plan without 3g being on can i. | 11:23 |
| mikki-kun | D-Iivil: i have downloaded the "themecreator" from maemo but i kinda didn't get which buttons goes where and how and what and when... i was able to edit it though, but it kinda was difficult tbh... | 11:24 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: what's that? Never heard about it, the themecreator I mean. | 11:24 |
| * pahartik just downloaded "d-theme-futureal", "d-theme-simple-blue" and "istyle-light" for trying next time reboot is required | 11:24 | |
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| mikki-kun | ahhh, thememaker1.2.9 | 11:24 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: okay, well it's exactly the same template that is being used with that method I posted. | 11:25 |
| mikki-kun | uhm... damn ^^ then it seems i gotta figure out in where which button or colorsnipper goes... | 11:25 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: you just need to play around with it and see what button is used and where. And ofcrouse I can tell you if you want to ask. | 11:25 |
| mikki-kun | thanks for that offer :) | 11:27 |
| mikki-kun | i will look into it when i really can't figure out where what goes ^^ | 11:27 |
| D-Iivil | Allthough I'm not online @ irc too often, but I guess if you post any of your questions to this thread they will be answered quick: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44187 | 11:28 |
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| mikki-kun | i'll bookmark it :) | 11:30 |
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| mikki-kun | and thanks for your tutorial with the loading indicators :) | 11:30 |
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| mikki-kun | hopefully my theme will look the way i want it to be ^^ | 11:34 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: my tutorial? Never wrote a single tutorial in my life :-D | 11:34 |
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| mikki-kun | not... ohhh, my mind really is playing tricks on me again... | 11:35 |
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| mikki-kun | uah... normal nokia theme looks just wrong >.< | 11:35 |
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| mikki-kun | D-Iivil: can you tell me where the lower right "box" goes on the n900 which is in backgrounds-template.png? | 11:39 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: and if you have scratchbox running, you can download sources of my themes just to see what the template -file looks like. | 11:39 |
| D-Iivil | hold on, I'll check | 11:39 |
| D-Iivil | umm.. background-template.png under what directory? | 11:39 |
| mikki-kun | looks like something in portrait mode, rather than landscape | 11:39 |
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| mikki-kun | i am still using thememaker1.2.9 for making the theme... | 11:40 |
| D-Iivil | aah.. I don't have that installed atm. | 11:40 |
| D-Iivil | So have no idea about that. | 11:40 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, let's see where i can find a source of madde | 11:42 |
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| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: seems like MADDE is now bundled with Nokia QT SDK: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 11:47 |
| mikki-kun | jup, i am loading the nokia qt sdk as well | 11:48 |
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| mikki-kun | i just hope it sourcecode for my gentoo | 11:49 |
| mikki-kun | i hate precompiled bins... it's as if somebody would have prechewed your burger ^^ | 11:49 |
| D-Iivil | mikki-kun: and you also need to set up a Maemo SDK as well if you want to build theme debs locally. It's a bit of work but makes testing themes easier. In that way the thememaker is easier path to go. | 11:50 |
| D-Iivil | I just never got thememaker working on my machine so then I went down with the other way. | 11:50 |
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| mikki-kun | it seems, but testing the theme on the n900 will be a lil cumbersome after time i think... | 11:51 |
| mikki-kun | i know from my background that i did like 10 different versions... | 11:52 |
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| mikki-kun | damn, the qt sdk takes another 1.5 hours :( | 11:54 |
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| nas_ | is there any way to have something like dial plan on n900 ? for example when I call a number starts from 8 then use SIP account , when I call a number start with 2 use GSM and so on ? | 11:56 |
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| mikki-kun | nas_: haven't heard of that... | 12:01 |
| nas_ | couldn't find anything on google too .. | 12:01 |
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| gsever | hello | 12:29 |
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| D-Iivil | hello | 12:34 |
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| Pontus^ | In about 35 min I will go and get my new N900 *woho* | 12:35 |
| gsever | crowdy here :) | 12:35 |
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| Pontus^ | sure that | 12:35 |
| gsever | are there any wifi only users of N900 ? | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey D-Iivil | 12:36 |
| gsever | without a GSM operator | 12:36 |
| D-Iivil | Hey MohammadAG51! | 12:36 |
| toggles_w | gsever: I was for about 4 months | 12:36 |
| gsever | ok here is my situation | 12:36 |
| gsever | the places I live there is almost always some wifi coverage | 12:36 |
| gsever | in school being the best :D | 12:36 |
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| gsever | and I am not considering of getting a sim card, neither for voice plan nor for data plan only | 12:37 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: thanks for your help with the script :) I'm still strugling on how to run the script from shortcut with root priviledges though :-/ | 12:37 |
| D-Iivil | (I want to make the script easily accessible when ever user wants to) | 12:37 |
| gsever | this is for the US. and I am thinking of continuening my communication via wifi networks, logged in IM services | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, a desktop file? | 12:38 |
| toggles_w | gsever: n900 worked great for this for me, n900 + google voice + gizmo5 (diamondcard.us or some other voip), no need for a sim | 12:38 |
| gsever | and looking for options to make cheap outgoing and incoming calls | 12:38 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: yes | 12:38 |
| gsever | toggles_w, yeh I get a google voice as well although not used or set it up yet :D | 12:38 |
| toggles_w | gserver: in usa google voice + gizmo5 or some other voip provider | 12:38 |
| gsever | is gizmo5 free? | 12:39 |
| toggles_w | i have used gizmo and diamondcard.us, both work | 12:39 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: since most users don't want to go in xterm and first sudogainroot themselves and then run the script. | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, add an entry to /etc/sudoers.d/, update-sudoers, then use sudo | 12:39 |
| toggles_w | gizmo is free, owned by google now | 12:39 |
| toggles_w | sorry, not free, but pennies a minute | 12:39 |
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| gsever | toggles_w, no new signups on gizmo5 | 12:39 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: but that sounds like stuff I don't want to do on users devices? Or can that be automated during package installation procedure? | 12:39 |
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| D-Iivil | And I think it's a security breach also :-/ | 12:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, a lot of apps use it, and it's done in the postinst script | 12:40 |
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| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: really? | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's only for your script, can't see it as a security breach :) | 12:40 |
| toggles_w | gsever: well you need a voip provider that will supply a us telephone # like diamondcard.us then you forward gvoice to that number | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/fm-boost | 12:41 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: aaaah, okay! Then it sounds cool! | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | example from fm-boost | 12:41 |
| D-Iivil | Will download source of fm-boost and see what happens there :) | 12:41 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: Thanks for the tip! | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, just cd into /etc/sudoers.d and check the files there, it's just c&p tbh :P | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, np :) | 12:41 |
| gsever | toggles_w, hmm that could we be a skype number as well eh? | 12:41 |
| toggles_w | probably if the skype can be dialed from a regular phone | 12:42 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: so should I place my script under /sbin? | 12:42 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: now it's places under /user/home | 12:42 |
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| D-Iivil | placed | 12:43 |
| gsever | toggles_w, it says yes for that http://www.skype.com/intl/en/features/ | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, doesn't matter :) | 12:44 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: so I just edit the .sudoers -file to be like this: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/user/myscript.sh ? | 12:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yes, make a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ (/etc/sudoers.d/themesselector.sudoers for example) and add user ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/user/myscript.sh to it | 12:46 |
| gsever | toggles_w, skype says €4,99/month not about 6.2 $ to make outgoing calls | 12:46 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: Will try it! Thanks (again). Took you only two minutes to get me through issue I've been trying to google since last night :D | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil, you're welcome :) | 12:47 |
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| D-Iivil | It's really painfull to try to learn something new when you don't even know what to google for. I had never used Unix OS before I bought N900 :-P | 12:48 |
| gsever | toggles_w, for incoming calls it costs 60$ per year, 5$ per month, so in total it makes about 11$ per month :D | 12:48 |
| gsever | D-Iivil, just setup a linux box, virtual or real | 12:49 |
| gsever | and start digging :D | 12:49 |
| D-Iivil | gsever: well that's what I've done :) Installed Ubuntu on VMWare, then installed Maemo SDK and so on. | 12:49 |
| Pupnik71 | good! | 12:50 |
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| gsever | same here, too :) I also use Fedora 12 | 12:50 |
| Pupnik71 | what 2 do | 12:51 |
| gsever | toggles_w, how much your setup costs? | 12:52 |
| gsever | toggles_w, is it monthly payment or pay as you use type of deal? | 12:52 |
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| mirf | wow | 12:56 |
| mirf | I just found the jebba debian repo | 12:57 |
| mirf | that is insane | 12:57 |
| Pupnik71 | hey mirf :) | 12:58 |
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| mirf | hah hi Pupnik71 :D | 12:59 |
| mirf | I've got my n900 now | 12:59 |
| Pupnik71 | I havent used that | 12:59 |
| Pupnik71 | Nice.. Happy so far? | 12:59 |
| mirf | yeah man pretty much | 13:00 |
| mirf | I've not hacked it too much yet | 13:00 |
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| Pupnik71 | may you have a fun time exploring the possiblities | 13:02 |
| mirf | yeah | 13:02 |
| mirf | been thinking abuot installing debian to sd card | 13:02 |
| mirf | for dual booting into somethign les phone centric | 13:03 |
| Pupnik71 | mhm | 13:03 |
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| mirf | it would be very interesting to get a nice light install with realtime enabled on the kernel and puredata | 13:05 |
| jpe | today little disappointedin n900, no rSAP support.... | 13:05 |
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| mirf | accelerometer/proximity sensor algorithmic music | 13:07 |
| mirf | head in the clouds type ideas :P | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | grrr, rar is a non-free package built for i386 and x64 only... | 13:08 |
| mirf | there should be a unrarfree as well I'd have though MohammadAG51 | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | mirf, that's for unraring, not raring | 13:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | guess i'll have to take it out of xarchiver's options | 13:09 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: I'm facing a problem here while trying to install the .deb i just built. | 13:09 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG51: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/etc/sudoers': Operation not permitted | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm? | 13:10 |
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| D-Iivil | I downloaded the source code of fm-boost and copy&pasted the sudoers -stuff from there and I think that error comes when postinst is trying to run command "update-sudoers" | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | fakeroot update-sudoers | 13:10 |
| D-Iivil | Scratchbox issue? | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | I suppose | 13:11 |
| D-Iivil | Okay. Will test it out. I suppose fakeroot wont be needed with actual device? | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | .deb file? | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | use fakeroot dpkg -i to install it | 13:11 |
| D-Iivil | Aaa, ok, will do that :) | 13:11 |
| mirf | oh yeah , I should read :P | 13:11 |
| toggles_w | gsever: paid by the minute as used, gizmo is 1c/min in us, I think diamondcard is to, and i was paying about 2c to australia | 13:11 |
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| D-Iivil | MohammadAG: it's working! Thanks again :) | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | :D | 13:13 |
| D-Iivil | Yeah, now I can run the script as normal user and it works :) | 13:14 |
| D-Iivil | Now I just need to google how to create a .desktop -file to launch the script but that should be trivial :) | 13:14 |
| mirf | yeah Pupnik71 this deb repo is all of etch compiled for n900... it kinda scares me lol | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivil, whenever I make .desktop files I just cat a file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ and change the respective fields :) | 13:15 |
| D-Iivil | MohammadAG: I will take a look at fm-boost's .desktop -file ;) | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | D-Iivil, the X-Osso-Service field is based on files in /usr/share/dbus-1/services/, do check those out too :) | 13:16 |
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| ruskie | http://www.tokyoflash.com/en/watches/kisai/escape-c/design/ <-- so want this | 13:25 |
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| gsever | toggles_w, is that diamondcard thing provide both incoming and outgoing calls? | 13:26 |
| corecode | what's that new stupid idea that the phone completely resets the time when switching the sim card? | 13:26 |
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| toggles_w | gsever: yes, it's just a voip provider that will provide a pstn number if you want | 13:28 |
| D-Iivil | corecode: I've wondered the same thing myself... | 13:28 |
| gsever | I might try diamond when I land in the US in a couple weeks | 13:28 |
| gsever | oh joy of using N900 :D | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | corecode, it only resets the time zone :) | 13:30 |
| toggles_w | it's works very very well as a wifi voip device | 13:30 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: vote for my new version :) | 13:30 |
| alterego | And by vote I mean test :P | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, when perl-modules gets in -testing you do the same, TEST IT! | 13:31 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: of course :) | 13:32 |
| corecode | MohammadAG: no, i started at jan 1 2009 | 13:32 |
| corecode | twice | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG | weird, mine never does that. Could be a hw problem? | 13:32 |
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| proycon | My brand new Nokia N900 suddenly doesn't make any sound anymore... I can't play any audio, neither system files nor MP3, but only telephone calls seem to work... CPU load is constantly fairly high, with pulseaudio taking a sizeable portion | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | and I changed my SIM last week | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | ~flashing | 13:33 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | proycon, follow that ^ and flash your device | 13:33 |
| proycon | Does the nokia n900 have two seperate speakers? | 13:33 |
| proycon | hmm | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | if it's new, it should be the easiest 'fix' | 13:34 |
| alterego | proycon: three actually, maybe four. | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | if the problem is in software | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | most probably three | 13:34 |
| proycon | I'm not entirely sure yet if it's the software or the hardware speakers which are broken | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | you did try the calls with the speaker on right? | 13:34 |
| alterego | Turning the volume up? :) | 13:35 |
| proycon | I tried calls with speaker on too yeah | 13:35 |
| proycon | that worked | 13:35 |
| proycon | and turning volume up had no effect | 13:35 |
| proycon | (it did start muted though) | 13:35 |
| proycon | alsamixer shows only 'master' | 13:35 |
| proycon | (not sure how much it is supposed to show) | 13:35 |
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| proycon | dmesg says this: http://pastebin.com/8X5wGZqy is that all it's supposed to say regarding to sound? | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | proycon, if the speakers worked in a call it's a software problem | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | reflash | 13:38 |
| proycon | yeah, if that's the only solution I'll try that | 13:38 |
| proycon | but I can't stand not knowing what caused this and fixing it | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG | proycon, heh, I guess you're not a newbie to linux :p | 13:40 |
| proycon | no, indeed | 13:40 |
| proycon | only to the n900 | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG | flashing is the easiest solution, I doubt it's the only one | 13:41 |
| gsever | toggle_ws, with diamondcard option I need to setup a SIP account to receive calls | 13:41 |
| proycon | I'm wondering if flashing will affect my warranty? | 13:42 |
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| proycon | cause I could just return to the shop and say "it's broken", bought it two days ago | 13:42 |
| pupnik | < proycon> Does the nokia n900 have two seperate speakers? | 13:43 |
| pupnik | >_< | 13:43 |
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| alterego | fucking hay fever .. | 13:46 |
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| Myrtti | alterego: prescription medication ♥ | 13:52 |
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| alterego | No, I don't even get hay fever, thi syear is the second time in my life :/ | 13:53 |
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| alterego | I think my body is slightly weekened as I'm fighting off a systemic infection with antibiotics at the moment. | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | I got my first hayfever at the adult age of 25, and have had it since | 13:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, find 2 of the biggest pills you can find, insert one in each nostril. hayfever will go! (get well soon btw) | 13:56 |
| Myrtti | this year I've had so bad symptomps I've got prescription and drugs for antihistamine pills, cortisone nasal spray, eye drops and even an asthma inhaler in case I get really bad | 13:57 |
| alterego | Hah, nice one. Myrtti maybe you're right, I'm twenty seven so that may have put me in a similar position :) | 13:57 |
| alterego | My symptoms hay fever related are just itchy leaky eyes and the occasional sneezing fit. | 13:58 |
| Myrtti | sounds about right. | 13:58 |
| Myrtti | my personal best is 12 sneezes | 13:58 |
| alterego | It only really bothers me when I get up in the morning and have to carefully rinse all the dry and not so dry gunk from my eyes :( | 13:58 |
| alterego | Sweet, I've got a friend who's always suffered and he's at wits end this year, just seems to be getting worse and worse for him :( | 13:59 |
| Myrtti | I wouldn't mind the sneezing, if my back weren't shot as well | 13:59 |
| alterego | Harsh, | 14:00 |
| alterego | I should just stop smoking, I'm sure most of this is down to that killing my immune system :) | 14:00 |
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| alterego | Anyway, if you want to make me feel better, tes and vote for my package :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 14:05 |
| alterego | emotional black mail ftw | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, is a tmo thread a valid bugtracker? | 14:18 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: read the friendly guidelines | 14:23 |
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| proycon | Where are my contacts stored on the n900 phone? | 14:27 |
| jacekowski | on the emmc | 14:27 |
| proycon | backup tool doesn't seem to work, so I want to copy them manually | 14:27 |
| jacekowski | have you tried google? | 14:27 |
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| corecode | so far i had problems charging my n900 on usb ports | 14:28 |
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| proycon | /home/user ? | 14:28 |
| corecode | it always says "not charging" | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | corecode: windows | 14:28 |
| corecode | is there a way to force a lower current charge? | 14:28 |
| corecode | jacekowski: linux and windows | 14:28 |
| jacekowski | corecode: if it has no drivers it will not send more than 100mA | 14:28 |
| corecode | well, 100mA is better than nothing | 14:28 |
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| jacekowski | not really | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | 100mA is nothing | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | so you just said | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | well, nothing is better than nothing | 14:29 |
| BCMM | i've had problems with windows xp, and with my front USB | 14:29 |
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| corecode | i ran my battery flat because neither my dell laptop nor the other lenovo laptop could charge it | 14:30 |
| BCMM | (which is a USB card reader + USB port thing connected to a motherboard header) | 14:30 |
| corecode | i don't mind if it takes 10h to charge | 14:30 |
| BCMM | frankly, i was expecting the port to just be directly connected to half of the header, but no luck | 14:30 |
| corecode | as long as it charges a little bit | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | corecode: at 100mA it would charge in only infinite hours | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | if the host computer says NO then N900 obeys :/ | 14:31 |
| lcuk | corecode, when you do get started, going into offline mode and turning screen off gives best charging performance (for obvious reasons) | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | corecode: it's barely charging from 500mA | 14:31 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, where in the spec does it say 100ma specifically? | 14:31 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: that's minimum required from usb port regardless of anything | 14:31 |
| lcuk | thats OTG spec limit isnt it? | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:31 |
| corecode | lcuk: it doesn't charge at all | 14:31 |
| lcuk | :( core | 14:32 |
| corecode | "Not charging" | 14:32 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: it's delivering 100mA for device startup and that sort of things | 14:32 |
| corecode | it says | 14:32 |
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| corecode | which current does it charge with on the charger? | 14:32 |
| corecode | 1000mA? | 14:32 |
| ShadowJK | 1200 | 14:33 |
| corecode | wow | 14:33 |
| corecode | well, still 100mA better than nothing | 14:33 |
| ShadowJK | Well, the charger can provide 1200, but bme usually only takes 1000 of it | 14:33 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, but where does it say that - you have info and mentioning drivers - the amount of power is not the same as having drivers available? i am quite certain i have charged from device without drivers (windows sat there saying "cannot find driver" but yet device is charging | 14:33 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i think it depends on version | 14:34 |
| lcuk | version of what? | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: xp seems to require drivers to provide more than that 100mA | 14:34 |
| ShadowJK | I heard that if you have ever installed ovi suite or pc suite, or the usb networking drivers on a windows machine, it'll refuse to provide power | 14:34 |
| lcuk | this was xp | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: that might be the thing | 14:35 |
| ShadowJK | But then again, who'd insane and crazy enough to install such crap? :) | 14:35 |
| haj | uhm.. okay this has been annoying me for some weeks now. So: | 14:35 |
| haj | Is there a way to disable application manager automatically checking for updates once a day? since I use apt-get upgrade anyway once in a while it's getting a bit annoying to see the yellow icon | 14:36 |
| D-Iivil | Hooray, finally it's working :) The theme color scheme selector bundled with theme! | 14:36 |
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| pcfe | haj: yes, there is a gconf key whose name I forget. check the maemo wiki, IIRC the key is in there. | 14:37 |
| haj | pcfe: thanks.. :) | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | haj: i just ignore it | 14:39 |
| haj | pcfe: think I'll just change it to a week.. | 14:39 |
| haj | jacekowski: so do I.. but it's still annoying.. :) | 14:39 |
| vldcnst | http://www.perpetualkid.com/productimages/lg2/STND-1833-2.jpg low-tech stand for low-tech phone | 14:40 |
| vldcnst | ^^ | 14:40 |
| haj | jacekowski: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo | 14:41 |
| haj | jacekowski: almost at the bottom of the page.. | 14:41 |
| haj | really easy to change | 14:41 |
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| corecode | anybody on the "charge with 100mA"? | 14:57 |
| corecode | is there a way to force it? | 14:57 |
| corecode | i mean, just in case | 14:57 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Dun dun... dun! | 15:01 |
| timeless_mbp | corecode: eh, what are you trying to do, and why? | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | his PCs refuse to supply power to N900 | 15:03 |
| alterego | Is it a Mac? I hear Mac's hate the N900! :P | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | any, or sufficient? | 15:03 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: my mac gets along nicely w/ my n900s | 15:03 |
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| alterego | :) | 15:03 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, "Not Charging" | 15:04 |
| alterego | corecode: does the OS recognise the device? Is it just charging that doesn't work and what kind of machine is this and what OS are you using? | 15:04 |
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| corecode | yes | 15:07 |
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| corecode | it seems the cable i'm using is the problem | 15:07 |
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| corecode | it is totally beyond me how that would happen tho | 15:07 |
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| alterego | corecode: how old is the cable? :) | 15:08 |
| corecode | or at least not reliably | 15:08 |
| corecode | alterego: new, just $random usb cable | 15:08 |
| MiXu- | I've seen some weird shit with faulty usb cables as well | 15:09 |
| corecode | well, usb works | 15:09 |
| corecode | just charging doesn't | 15:09 |
| Appiah | n900 wont charge with any cable | 15:09 |
| Appiah | the cable thats provided is not standard | 15:09 |
| alterego | Weird, | 15:09 |
| corecode | Appiah: weh? | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | Appiah, wtf? | 15:09 |
| vldcnst | Appiah: wrong. | 15:09 |
| alterego | All my Nokia cables work | 15:09 |
| ShadowJK | Appiah, you're making this up or have misunderstood things. | 15:09 |
| MiXu- | Once had a printer that could be detected fine and everything was cool until you tried to print. Nothing would happen. | 15:09 |
| Appiah | umm | 15:09 |
| Appiah | thats what I read on maemo talk | 15:10 |
| MiXu- | Changed usb cable -> everything worked again | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | Appiah, well it's wrong | 15:10 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: any idea why one cable would work and the other wouldn't? | 15:10 |
| Appiah | people having problems with charing + transfering | 15:10 |
| ShadowJK | However, when connecting to non-standard chargers, a non-standard cable can convince N900 to charge, whereas a standard cable would not charge | 15:10 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: this is on a powered usb hub (monitor) | 15:11 |
| alterego | Someone test and vote for my app please :) | 15:11 |
| alterego | On 4/10 at the mo | 15:11 |
| vldcnst | again!/ | 15:11 |
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| D-Iivil | Fuck! My micro-USB port just fell off :-( | 15:11 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: :( oh no! | 15:11 |
| Appiah | D-Iivil: that happens quite often.. | 15:12 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know of a way of pre-caching maps for maep? As in making them available offline in large batches like a country or area. | 15:12 |
| D-Iivil | You guys were talking about chargning and I decided to put mine on charge also. | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | Basically the device on the other end has to identify itself as a charger, or as a computer, and if it identifies as a computer, N900 will ask for power, and if the computer agrees, it will charge. If the computer rejects N900's request for power, N900 will not charge. If the device on the other end identifies itself as a charger, N900 will draw as much power as it can suck out of it. | 15:12 |
| Appiah | Shapeshifter: think there are some cache apps for that | 15:12 |
| D-Iivil | Argh. This means I need to dig up my 5800XM and charge the battery with it. | 15:12 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: yeah, google it for series 60 and it works pretty muchthe same. | 15:12 |
| D-Iivil | Any DIY fixes available yet? | 15:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: what app? and does it require an account outside of maemo.org? | 15:13 |
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| ShadowJK | D-Iivil, no when it breaks it's pretty much unrepairable | 15:13 |
| flux | I wonder if that electricity conducting glue would be ideal for fixing that. or messing it beyong repair :) | 15:13 |
| Appiah | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=607824 here is one about the issue about some cables not charging | 15:13 |
| Appiah | or not doing datatransfers | 15:13 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: not a fix, but you can usually charge the battery in other Nokias, like N810 E60 ... | 15:13 |
| Shapeshifter | for series 60? maep and mapper and all those who share a cache are maemo specific aren't they? | 15:13 |
| Appiah | cant find the other ones.. | 15:13 |
| MiXu- | You'll void your warranty if you mess with it yourself. So I wouldn't :) | 15:14 |
| D-Iivil | ShadowJK: well.. maybe it's time to bring the device to service anyways. I have those "white" spots on display, the covers are making funny noises when pressing the touchscreen etc. | 15:14 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: oh, not Nokia maps? | 15:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: irreparable | 15:14 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: no, maep | 15:14 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: no idea then, maybe ask the author? | 15:14 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, thanks | 15:14 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: or post to tmo and see if anyone else has. | 15:15 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: but they're biitmaps, gonna take some storage for a significant area .. | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | Appiah, so, um, two guys saying that the cable that came with their N900 works for both data transfer and charging? | 15:15 |
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| Appiah | ShadowJK: huh? | 15:15 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: do you have an N810 or other Nokia handset? | 15:15 |
| ShadowJK | and another saying a generic cheap cable from ebay works for both too | 15:15 |
| Appiah | some do and some dont | 15:15 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: No, unfortunately I don't :( | 15:16 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: :( | 15:16 |
| D-Iivil | It will be hard time to be apart from my N900 :-( | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | Appiah, unless the cable is broken, it depends entirely on what you connect it to. | 15:16 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: I'm not sure what I'd do, I'd have to claim insurance as I'd get the replacement same day for the sake of 60 quid .. | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | There are a a TON of non-standard chargers out there that wont work, though.. | 15:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: yeah I know. Ideally it should be able to generate bitmaps on demand from a pre-downloaded map data file. You know you can download areas from open streetmaps. that would be ideal | 15:17 |
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| alterego | D-Iivil: you can buy external chargers for our battery also btw. | 15:17 |
| MiXu- | A friend of mine bought a cheap ass 350mA charger. Lol. | 15:17 |
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| MiXu- | He'll run out of juice while talking even if it's charging. | 15:17 |
| D-Iivil | alterego: yeah, well.. in Nokia service center they also offer "fast repair" service. You pay like 30 euros and they will fix it asap. | 15:17 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: submit a feature request :) | 15:17 |
| flux | alterego, I think some of those posters mya have confused the effect of the charging source with the charging cable | 15:17 |
| D-Iivil | Otherwice you need to wait 1-3 weeks to get the device repaired. | 15:17 |
| asj_ | D-Iivil: a week wont' kill ya | 15:17 |
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| flux | alterego, some devices may just not provide enough juice for n900 to charge (while it's on), regardless of the cable | 15:18 |
| D-Iivil | asj_: Yes it will! N900 has only internet connection I have @ home at the moment :D | 15:18 |
| asj_ | D-Iivil: suckage | 15:18 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: yeah, service centres are usually pretty good anyway, if you don't rely on delivery and just take it to them. I've usually only had to wait two days max before popping back in the shop and picking it up. Though N900 is some what commoditized hardware.. | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | flux, and some non-PC chargers don't identify themselves as chargers, so N900 ignores those.. | 15:18 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: fair enough, but how can the cable influence this handshake with the computer? | 15:19 |
| D-Iivil | And if I give up my phone for a week that means I actually have to talk and do something with my wife & kids instead of browsing talk.maemo.org :-O | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | corecode, if it's broken it's broken | 15:19 |
| alterego | D-Iivil: same boat for me, my home connection is my N900's 3G :) | 15:19 |
| asj_ | D-Iivil: pay the 30 euro | 15:19 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: it is good for usb talking | 15:19 |
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| alterego | D-Iivil: luckily I've got a backup N96 and N95 8G | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | And if the PC refuses the PC refuses.. | 15:19 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: i.e. i can copy photos, mp3s | 15:19 |
| corecode | same port, just different cable | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | Well it'd still for for data if the power lines were damaged | 15:20 |
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| corecode | yea | 15:20 |
| corecode | but both cables? | 15:20 |
| corecode | i need to measure it | 15:20 |
| corecode | massively annoying | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | I thought you had one working and one broken | 15:21 |
| corecode | i have two broken and one (nokia) working | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 15:21 |
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| corecode | didn't think that they could screw up just simple cables | 15:21 |
| asj_ | corecode: and you've tried without the powered hub? | 15:22 |
| flux | put 5V/1A through the cables and check the resulting voltage :) | 15:22 |
| asj_ | 500ma | 15:22 |
| corecode | asj_: i tried various usb ports | 15:23 |
| corecode | different machines | 15:23 |
| flux | corecode, have you charged other devices with the cables? | 15:23 |
| flux | or run them usb-bus-powered? | 15:23 |
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| D-Iivil | Okay, called the chief at the Nokia service (had to spoke him one time earlier with N97 which was a REAL pain in the ass) and he said they could fix my N900 within one working day. Maybe I can live with it :) | 15:25 |
| corecode | no, i don't have other micro-usb devices | 15:25 |
| mirf | wow http://kibergus.su/en/node/39 | 15:26 |
| asj_ | corecode: just use the working cable, there's a ton of reasons it could be giving you grief. The computer might be selecting the 500ma config, the power at the device could be falling under 4.5v, who knows. | 15:26 |
| corecode | well, i bought these cables for a reason | 15:27 |
| corecode | so that i don't have to carry around ONE cable | 15:27 |
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| asj_ | corecode: return em, as much as it pains me to say it, get a nokia cable | 15:28 |
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| corecode | for $30? | 15:29 |
| corecode | for a cable? | 15:30 |
| flux | corecode, because voltage drop as a function of resistance and current, it can just be that the cables aren't high-quality enough to transmit that much current without a significant voltage drop | 15:30 |
| flux | (as a -> is a) | 15:30 |
| flux | I mean, AFAIK there is no secret logic in nokia cables. they are just cables. | 15:30 |
| flux | and they are connected the same as everything else and work as regular usb cables. | 15:31 |
| corecode | 1 ohm eh | 15:31 |
| corecode | 0.5V/0.5A | 15:31 |
| corecode | that's quite a lot for a 50cm cable | 15:31 |
| flux | it is indeed a lot | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | Does your nokia measure differently? | 15:31 |
| ShadowJK | nokia cable* | 15:32 |
| corecode | don't have my equip here | 15:32 |
| corecode | need to measure at home | 15:32 |
| ShadowJK | Where did you get 1ohm from? :) | 15:32 |
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| flux | meh, it's difficult to get a probe connected to those connectors | 15:34 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 15:35 |
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| corecode | ShadowJK: 0.5V drop at 0.5A | 15:35 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: is 1Ohm | 15:35 |
| flux | on another 50cm usb cable the ground plave gave me 0.4-0.5 ohm | 15:35 |
| flux | grounding that is | 15:36 |
| corecode | wow | 15:36 |
| flux | difficult to say what the resistance would be on the actual signal connectors, though | 15:36 |
| flux | (this is not the nokia cable) | 15:36 |
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| flux | adding usb-connectors to the to-buy-list :) | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | corecode, are you comfortable with commandline? | 15:38 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: always | 15:38 |
| corecode | more than gui | 15:38 |
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| Jaffa | re | 15:39 |
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| alterego | Ahloha | 15:40 |
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| marmoute | :-) | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | yo Jaffa, howzit? | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | corecode, cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mA | 15:41 |
| corecode | 8 | 15:43 |
| corecode | weh? | 15:43 |
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| corecode | jumps between 100 and 8 | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | with non-nokia cable? | 15:44 |
| corecode | yes | 15:44 |
| corecode | nokia cable is 500 | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | That's pretty weird :) | 15:45 |
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| Appiah | O_o | 15:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | 8 is one of the OTG states isn't it? | 15:46 |
| ShadowJK | nfi | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | damn, why is there never a troll around whilst I'm bored | 15:52 |
| vldcnst | you can slap me. | 15:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:52 |
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| vldcnst | more! | 15:53 |
| vldcnst | X-Fade: here? | 15:53 |
| * crashanddie goes in a corner and sings Operator Blues | 15:53 | |
| crashanddie | 'later | 15:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | corecode: 100 is basically unprovisioned usb device | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | 500 is "usb device offered a service to the host" | 15:59 |
| corecode | and 8? | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if the cable somehow prevents the host from seeing the offer, then getting 100 makes some sense | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | dunno | 15:59 |
| corecode | my point | 15:59 |
| corecode | how is the offer communicated? | 15:59 |
| Guest91128 | err | 15:59 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 15:59 | |
| corecode | power pins or data pins? | 15:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | surely the usb spec would explain? | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd assume data | 15:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=8ma%20usb%20otg&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | indicates that 8mA is definitely a magic number | 16:00 |
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| alterego | vote for my app, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 16:05 |
| alterego | do it and win 0! | 16:06 |
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| alterego | You need it because you're weak! | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you do realize there's a 10 day quarantine right? | 16:06 |
| tybollt | es | 16:06 |
| alterego | That and, I'm not going to write my next app until this is through. | 16:07 |
| tybollt | we don't want random people bringing rabies into our repo's | 16:07 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: and.... :) | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'll vote on the 9th day | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | prolly 9.9th | 16:07 |
| tybollt | by then god has created the world since long mohammad | 16:07 |
| alterego | damn you, I'm not even sure when that is. | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | 2010-06-25 10:35 UTC | 16:08 |
| alterego | That is probably a week wednesday, lame ... | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | add 9 days, and 0.9 x 24 | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: hrm | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | didn't i vote for that? | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | he updated it | 16:08 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: probably the first version yeah. | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i seem to recall poking it last week | 16:09 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: you lie, you just voted :P | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i voted for 0.2 | 16:09 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: yes, I develop quickly :) | 16:09 |
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| alterego | This is the last release for a while, I'll be pushing 1.0 with the ui ported to Qt/C++ as Python/Pyside is annoyingly slow .. | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | release early, release often, release more bugs | 16:10 |
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| alterego | But I just want to get this dolne and dusted so I can safely move onto my next project without worrying about this one :) | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | your package requires >5mb! | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | PySide does | 16:10 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: PySide ... | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, see? you force users to install pyside yet you refuse to install perl | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:11 |
| alterego | Again, that will not be a problem in 1.0 as the deps for the config ui are already on device. | 16:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | oh it's a monday, I'll say it again then, X-Fade ping? :) | 16:11 |
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| X-Fade | ignoring .... ;) | 16:12 |
| alterego | hahah | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | yay :D | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | wazzup? | 16:13 |
| Ikarus | the weather is just meh awful | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, http://maemo.org/packages/view/perl-modules/, no maintainers, and apparently it wasn't pulled into -testing when I promoted frozen-bubble | 16:13 |
| alterego | Probably a devel package for SDK | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Build-depends probably yes. | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, and this is ironic http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_ssu_pr1-2_armel/perl/5.8.3-3osso11+0m5/ | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | Repository: Maemo 5 device SSU repository (PR1.2) | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | Warning: This package has missing dependencies! | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: No that was just an import mistake by me. | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, you could import perl-modules to that repo and fix your mistake :p | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | Hmm wait, that one is weird. | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | btw it's non-free since optifying perl breaks it, but optifying perl-modules doesn't break it | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm not really sure how to optify one package that's made by a source which provides a lot of packages | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | most messed up sentence I've said ^ | 16:15 |
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| vldcnst | X-Fade: May I pm you? | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 16:18 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | vldcnst: sure | 16:19 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, actually, I have a suggestion, which looks like a proper fix, perl-modules is only 2MBs, dump my non-free upload and import the Fremantle SDK one into the SSU repo | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | having a free package in non-free is just wrong | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, I'll ping the SDK team to see what is up with that package. | 16:21 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, if you actually end up importing the SDK package, do you mind rejecting my maintainer request? | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Sure. | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 16:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there any reason cpan on the device would do bad things? | 16:30 |
| gomiam | :) | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG | grr | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | just when I get dig working... | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 16:41 |
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| MohammadAG | busybox-symlinks-dnsutils mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | dnsutils libbind9-60 libdns64 libisc60 libisccc60 libisccfg60 liblwres60 | 16:41 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:42 |
| proycon | Does this sounds ok for full flash of the N900? | 16:42 |
| proycon | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 16:42 |
| proycon | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 16:42 |
| proycon | EMMC second right? and no -R flags? | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG | doesn't matter, don't use -R in both to be on the safe side, but the eMMC flash will get rid of everything on the 32GB chip | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 16:43 |
| proycon | yeah | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | isn't that the old emmc image? | 16:43 |
| proycon | hmm | 16:43 |
| proycon | date looks odd indeed | 16:44 |
| proycon | good you mention it | 16:44 |
| proycon | let me check | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG | 41-1, it's the old one | 16:44 |
| haltdef | so is there an extended battery that behaves with the n900 out there yet? or am I best just buying another bl-5j and keeping one spare :| | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I have 3 batteries, imo it's better than buying a Mugen one which the N900 can't properly use (shows full battery till it's dead) | 16:45 |
| proycon | ah, right RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:45 |
| haltdef | yea, I've grown quite attached to the kickstand too | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 16:46 |
| proycon | ok, that's the one I had, I just copy/pasted the wrong thing :) | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you can show the proper capacity in a deskgop widget | 16:47 |
| proycon | it says I can't power up in the meantime, so I can't first flash the PR_COMBINED, test, and then see if I still want to flash the EMMC? | 16:47 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so it's an applet problem? | 16:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: well - ... | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It's really a ssytem software problem. | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: but you can bypass it. | 16:48 |
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| ghostcube | hi folks, any news for ovi store update maybe, games apps anything | 16:51 |
| ghostcube | :D | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Retail--One of the more efficient means of developing a deep and abiding distate for humanity. | 16:51 |
| CornishNerd | Hi guys, my N900 doesn't update the 'people nearby plugin for conversation and contacts'..any ideas pelase? | 16:51 |
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| mortini | GAN900: idk, i think working in a resturaunt/fast food resturaunt is worse. | 16:53 |
| mortini | although, i guess i've never worked actual retail. | 16:53 |
| alterego | It's dire | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | mortini, they're both pretty bad, I think | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | Restaurant work is surely more strenuous. | 16:55 |
| mortini | people tend to be pretty abusive in a fast food environment. | 16:56 |
| mortini | or, any resturaunt, i guess | 16:56 |
| alterego | GAN900: vote for my app thanks :) | 16:56 |
| mortini | treating people as 'servents' | 16:56 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I so want to kick you right now :P | 16:57 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: why? | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | mortini, people have control issues, sadly. | 16:57 |
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| alterego | Because I'm annoyingly proactive? :P | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | yes :P | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | Power play | 16:58 |
| Hoxzer | no | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, again, you'll have to wait 10 days, so why do you actually want all votes now | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | btw the 10 day thingy starts when you push the package to -testing, not when you reach 10 votes | 16:58 |
| proycon | when the flash writing is done in the flasher program, shouldn't the device be ready immediately? | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG | when you're done with both images type flasher-3.5 -R | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | or just unplug the cable :p | 16:59 |
| proycon | I did the latter yeah | 16:59 |
| proycon | I'll try the -R thing first | 16:59 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: I understand, but getting the votes asap means I can move my focus else where. | 16:59 |
| proycon | ah good, booting now | 17:00 |
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| alterego | I just like to keep things tidy :P | 17:00 |
| mortini | alterego: which app? | 17:00 |
| alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 17:00 |
| mortini | ah | 17:00 |
| alterego | mortini: ^ | 17:01 |
| alterego | :) | 17:01 |
| proycon | hmm.. it's taking far too long to boot | 17:01 |
| mortini | but how can i vote for something i haven't used! | 17:01 |
| proycon | the loader/spinner thingie is running | 17:01 |
| mortini | :D | 17:01 |
| Scelt | http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/newphone.png | 17:01 |
| alterego | mortini: test it, then vote :) | 17:02 |
| mortini | proycon: it'll take awhile to boot after flashing | 17:02 |
| proycon | ok | 17:02 |
| alterego | mortini: unless you really trust those that have tested and voted already. | 17:02 |
| proycon | ah | 17:02 |
| proycon | yeah! | 17:02 |
| proycon | I'm in! | 17:02 |
| proycon | wow :) | 17:02 |
| proycon | and my sound is back! | 17:02 |
| proycon | (that was the problem) | 17:02 |
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| ptmn | ÈÕÊ | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | <proycon> hmm.. it's taking far too long to boot | 17:03 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I know I probably come across as a shameless self promoter, but I really have nothing better to do this exact second. | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | first boot, it optifies stuff in /usr/share, so it's moving files :) | 17:04 |
| proycon | ah, ok | 17:04 |
| proycon | it should have told me that then :) | 17:04 |
| greenmang0 | hello friends.... i am looking for a iso or img file of maemo so that i can try it out on virtualbox.... but i didn't find it on maemo website... is such file available? and if not how can i try it on virtualbox? | 17:04 |
| proycon | otherwise I panic :) | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm just winding you up anyways | 17:04 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: :) | 17:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | greenmang0: virtualbox will not work. | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | greenmang0: virtualbox is x86 processor, maemo is arm | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | the one on the N900 anyways | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | the one that runs in the X86 target in scratchbox is X86, not ARM | 17:05 |
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| greenmang0 | SpeedEvil: ok.. so there's no way i can try it on PC ? | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes - but that's not the full UI is it. | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | only the applets and some closed parts are missing | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | greenmang0: You can try some aspects of it with the 'scratchbox' development systme. | 17:06 |
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| greenmang0 | MohammadAG: that means i can try Scratchbox on VirtualBox | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | Ovi maps, nokia messaging etc.. | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | just install scratchbox on a linux box | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | this is not really aimed at providing a 'feel-alike' device really, though it may be good enough | 17:07 |
| greenmang0 | SpeedEvil: ok... but how? is there any iso/img available? | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 17:07 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | scratchbox | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that | 17:07 |
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| greenmang0 | SpeedEvil: well.. those links don't work | 17:09 |
| greenmang0 | MohammadAG: ^^ | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | fix your internet connection | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | Documentation/Maemo 5 Final SDK Installation | 17:09 |
| greenmang0 | MohammadAG: ok... cool... it's working | 17:10 |
| greenmang0 | :) | 17:10 |
| mortini | the installer script works pretty well, fwiw. | 17:11 |
| mortini | at least, i ran it on a ubuntu 9.10 vm | 17:11 |
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| RST38h | OMG, Texrat has written yet *another* open letter | 17:11 |
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| proycon | Can I safely copy back .osso-abook and .purple from my manual backup, to get my IM accounts and contacts back? | 17:14 |
| alterego | RST38h: yeah, read it. Not as to the bone as his previous one. and though I appreciate what he's tried to do with it, I'm not convinced it wont come across dead ears at Nokia. | 17:14 |
| * RST38h is convinced that nobody cares | 17:14 | |
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| RST38h | Could someone put this into topic: http://posters-artprints-and-pictureframes.com/images_articles/dem-apathy.jpg | 17:17 |
| mortini | heh. | 17:18 |
| mortini | RST38h: applies to Google, as well | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | Applies to just about anyone, but is particularly exemplified by our belowed corporation | 17:23 |
| RST38h | s/belowed/beloved | 17:23 |
| mortini | yeah | 17:24 |
| alterego | RST38h: I care .... By the way ... Vote for my app! :D | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: no | 17:25 |
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| tybollt | hmm | 17:54 |
| tybollt | so I'm shopping for a nokia charger | 17:54 |
| tybollt | or ehr a microusb charger | 17:54 |
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| tybollt | w >500mA output | 17:54 |
| tybollt | like the one íncluded w/ the n900 | 17:54 |
| tybollt | seems the one at the store is 500 mA :( | 17:54 |
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| tybollt | why? | 17:54 |
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| flailingmonkey | because most devices support 500mA | 17:57 |
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| flailingmonkey | also, for dumb chargers, if they have not shorted out the data pins, my understanding is it won't fast charge | 17:58 |
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| flailingmonkey | how much is the Nokia one they include with the n900 | 17:59 |
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| tybollt | 1200 mA | 18:00 |
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| flailingmonkey | i mean how much does it cost :P | 18:04 |
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| _0x47 | amigadave: it turned out that the problem relatet my build errors were caused by the outdated package libsdl-mixer1.2-dev (1.2.6). I now created my own libsdl-mixer1.2-dev with 1.2.8 and it builds perfect :) I now have the problem that I cannot update the package in the repos to 1.2.8. the Autobuilder complains about it being there already... | 18:04 |
| _0x47 | omg excuse the spelling | 18:05 |
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| amigadave | _0x47: ah, great, glad you found the problem | 18:05 |
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| amigadave | i think you cannot upload it to the autobuilder because that packages is shipped with the device | 18:06 |
| amigadave | s/packages/package/ | 18:06 |
| infobot | amigadave meant: i think you cannot upload it to the autobuilder because that package is shipped with the device | 18:06 |
| flailingmonkey | it only exists in sdk, and has no maintainer | 18:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | updating it would break the sdk then | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | playing with sdk packages isn't a smart move, as I did with man-db | 18:08 |
| flailingmonkey | who maintains the sdk? | 18:08 |
| _0x47 | amigadave: I see, and someone already told me to contact X-Fade regarding this issue. But he was not responding until now, and finally's gone fishing... | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, i did | 18:09 |
| _0x47 | yes, indeed :D | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade responded to me today, but he pinged afaik | 18:10 |
| _0x47 | can we use the debian repos and do a apt-get dist-upgrade? lolz | 18:10 |
| _0x47 | pinged? | 18:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ping timeout | 18:10 |
| _0x47 | hm k, I wrote him yesterday in hope that he might see it when he returns. but now he's offline as you said. | 18:11 |
| _0x47 | g2g anyways, so I'll try to catch him later. | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, | 18:11 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like cal is storing history of modifications | 18:11 |
| _0x47 | we really should somehow get updated packages on the phone, most of them are like 4-6 years old ffs... | 18:12 |
| _0x47 | bb | 18:12 |
| D-Iivili | Does someone know how autofill nick name works in xchat (N900 port)? | 18:12 |
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| flailingmonkey | D-Iivili: for irssi it's Tab (which is on the xterm bar) | 18:13 |
| D-Iivili | flailingmonkey, i was talking about xChat, not irssi ;) | 18:14 |
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| flailingmonkey | i know, but xchat is so much fail :( | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tap the title bar, settings, advanced, keyboard shortcuts, nick completion (5th line here), i have mine set to ctrl right | 18:17 |
| mikki-kun | hm, anybody knowing the command to execute the nokia qt sdk suite? | 18:17 |
| mortini | mikki-kun: you got it installed? | 18:17 |
| mikki-kun | mortini: yup | 18:17 |
| D-Iivili | Mohammad, thanks again :) Thanking you is becoming a habit :P | 18:17 |
| mortini | under pr1.2? | 18:17 |
| mikki-kun | uhm... i am running that from pc... | 18:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivili, lol yw | 18:18 |
| mikki-kun | specifically from under gentoo without any DE or something called "start menu" where it would be "easily" accesible | 18:18 |
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| * pahartik configured "X-Chat" on "Nokia N900" to use <Shift>-<Space> for "nickname completion" | 18:19 | |
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| crashanddie | those are way too many quotes | 18:19 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: you're using gentoo, you should know about the terminal, yeh? | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 18:21 |
| mortini | mikki-kun: oh. I think it's in /usr/share/qtsomething | 18:21 |
| mortini | oh | 18:21 |
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| mikki-kun | crashanddie: i surely do, but as there is nowhere documentation of what the command is called for executing the nokia sdk i thought i would ask here before running to nokia and complaining about "sure it's nice to install it, but even giving readmes in html is a lil... old" | 18:21 |
| mortini | um | 18:21 |
| mikki-kun | thanks mortini, i'll give it a look | 18:22 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: also, portage allows you to inspect which files are being installed, very helpful for packages with shady documentation | 18:22 |
| mikki-kun | crashanddie: nokia sdk needs to be installed manually | 18:23 |
| mortini | mikki-kun: /usr/share/doc/python-qt4-doc <- where it's installed under ubuntu anyways | 18:23 |
| mikki-kun | no portage support there... | 18:23 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: ah, shame | 18:23 |
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| mikki-kun | mehhh, still can't find it... | 18:24 |
| mikki-kun | i'll search for sdk now... | 18:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | where are control files store again? | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | stored* | 18:26 |
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| mortini | in /etc? | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | err... | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | nvm | 18:29 |
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| Lantizia | Hey you know the FM transmitter, any chance I can get it to transmit on a frequency other than those preprogrammed? | 18:34 |
| Lantizia | I have cordless FM headphones and would like to pick up the N900 | 18:34 |
| mikki-kun | can somebody do me a favor and execute his qt sdk, check what the process is called and tell me? | 18:34 |
| Lantizia | http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/s/shc8525_00/shc8525_00_pss_eng.pdf | 18:35 |
| Lantizia | 863.0 - 865.0 MHz | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: no way in hell | 18:35 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, how come? | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: antenna design? chipset design? | 18:35 |
| flailingmonkey | Lantizia: rofl. FX transmitter calls don't go above 180 MHz | 18:36 |
| Lantizia | flailingmonkey, argue against that datasheet then - have fun | 18:36 |
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| Lantizia | crashanddie, you've used question marks, how come? I'd have thought a chipset design wouldn't hamper which frequency - isn't it just a matter of tuning? | 18:36 |
| Lantizia | an FM transmitter is an FM transmitter surely - just a matter of distance | 18:37 |
| Jartza | has anyone run into same problem as I have? I get no sound notification when new sms is received | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: where did you see FM in that document? | 18:37 |
| Jartza | I tried to search for bug database but couldn't find anything | 18:37 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, page 2 where it says Modulation | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | oh, second page, on the right | 18:37 |
| mikki-kun | Jartza: maybe you have your sound for sms muted? | 18:37 |
| achipa | Lantizia: don't mix modulation with frequency | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: you do realise that the size and shape of the antenna defines what frequencies you can receive/transmit on? | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | achipa, I'm not, your not... hands up anyone who is | 18:38 |
| Jartza | mikki-kun: nope | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, no, but now I do - do we know for sure the N900 is thus incapable? | 18:38 |
| flailingmonkey | Lantizia: I thought you wanted a a value 10x higher | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | this is discover you know :) | 18:38 |
| Lantizia | *discovery | 18:38 |
| achipa | 800MHz is not even VHF | 18:38 |
| Jartza | mikki-kun: I've set the volume to max for sms. still nothing. | 18:38 |
| mikki-kun | hm, maybe changing the sound to another one, saving and then picking the old one could help | 18:38 |
| Jartza | when the "conversation" is open, I get a small "plop", but that's not what I want. | 18:39 |
| flailingmonkey | Lantizia: it almost certainly should be 86.3 - 86.5 MHz | 18:39 |
| Lantizia | achipa, well it can still be Frequency Modulation without being what we know as commercial FM | 18:39 |
| Lantizia | flailingmonkey, ditto as above | 18:39 |
| Jartza | if "conversations" is closed, then there is nothing. no sound, no notification light. | 18:39 |
| Jartza | the message "just appears" to conversations. | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: considering that the mid-point of normal FM is roughly 97.5, the engineers would probably have designed it to have it's optimal range aroudn there somewhere. So, even if you could connect something that were able to transmit at 800 Mhz, the antenna would be as effective as your finger, or a piece of wood. | 18:39 |
| Jartza | and this is PR1.2 | 18:40 |
| mikki-kun | hm... doesn't sound too funny tbh.. sorry, i am a lil out of ideas then | 18:40 |
| albanc | How to detect from a script whether it is a maemo device (maemo5 or maemo6) or a linux desktop? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, technically the size and shape of the antenna defines the optimal properites, you can use a paperclip as antenna to transmit almost any frequency, however it will be wasteful and not get the distance of a tuned coathanger :p | 18:40 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, you think the FM trasmitter that came with the headphones is much bigger? it isn't | 18:40 |
| Jartza | I tried even hard reboot, but no help | 18:40 |
| mikki-kun | albanc: one easy way is via "uname -a" | 18:40 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, tell me your more hopeful :) | 18:41 |
| achipa | Lantizia: you can tweak the oscillators all you want, but that range is NOT for the FM transmitter chip. Even if you could set up the multipliers for a high enough frequence (which I doubt), the antenna design is way off, so... you'll either burn it or it will be mute | 18:41 |
| mikki-kun | locally of course... | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: it doesn't have to be bigger, it has to be at the right size/ratio | 18:41 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, i dunno what you are doing so cant say | 18:41 |
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| crashanddie | Lantizia: for the same reason that a can of beef is excellent as a wifi antenna, but not a can of potatochips | 18:41 |
| achipa | crashanddie: worse, actually, than your finger, prolly :) | 18:41 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, get the N900 to transmit between 863.0 - 865.0 MHz for my cordless headphones | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | achipa: true | 18:41 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, doubt it | 18:42 |
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| mikki-kun | hey, fingers are pretty good in destroying phone signals... at least when it's an apple iphone 4 ^^ | 18:42 |
| lcuk | most tuning circuits operate in their frequency range and require real mods to change | 18:42 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: combine this with the fact that frequencies are defined by say, the hardware components of something (look up capacitors on wikipedia), and you end up with the n900 being *completely* unable to transmit at those frequencies (even if you had unlimited access to the firmware of the chip) | 18:42 |
| lbt_ | Jaffa: pingy | 18:42 |
| lcuk | the antenna itself was what i had issue iwth | 18:42 |
| Lantizia | hmm ok discovery over :) | 18:43 |
| Lantizia | just a thought | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | then don't argue the opposite | 18:43 |
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| * MohammadAG51 hands crashanddie a coffee | 18:43 | |
| crashanddie | thanks | 18:43 |
| flailingmonkey | Lantizia: still, my original point was that the way that the FM transmitter interfaces with the chip, it's input has an upper range limit of 180, so you'd also have to write a new driver | 18:43 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, now now lets not get impolite | 18:43 |
| Lantizia | I wasn't arguing anything | 18:44 |
| lcuk | albanc, im betting you could find device arch from within qt | 18:44 |
| Lantizia | flailingmonkey, ok | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: hardly impolite, but whatever, let's move on | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | lbt_: pongy | 18:44 |
| flailingmonkey | leaving all that crazy antenna stuff to those hardware geeks :P | 18:44 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: sorry I missed you earlier. In sunny Stockholm | 18:44 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: I asked howzit, not where are you :P | 18:44 |
| Jartza | it's quite annoying because I use sms a lot | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | flailingmonkey: ever used the hardware keyboard on the N900? | 18:45 |
| Jartza | and my phone doesn't tell when I receive one :P | 18:45 |
| flailingmonkey | crashanddie: all the time | 18:45 |
| achipa | Lantizia: think about it this way - why is it such a fuss to make a quad-petaband phone if you could tweak frequencies and modulations that easy ? | 18:45 |
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| crashanddie | flailingmonkey: OMG YOU BLOODY HARDWARE GEEK!!!eleven! | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL you had that pretyped | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 18:46 |
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| crashanddie | indeed | 18:46 |
| crashanddie | isn't everything we say on IRC "pre-typed"? | 18:46 |
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| Lantizia | achipa, true... you know years back I remember reading in a magazine someone was making a smallish univeral transmitter/receiver to basically roll things like BT/GSM/WiFi/FM/etc in to one - never knew what came of it | 18:47 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, it's typed before we hit enter | 18:47 |
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| lbt_ | Jaffa: PM'ed you | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: sounds like vaporware, really | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, no, I hit enter then start typing | 18:47 |
| flailingmonkey | Lantizia: actually, there is quite a bit of documentation on the N900 components in the wiki. I'm sure you can find detailed info about the FM transmitter chip there | 18:47 |
| Lantizia | would be cool though, your method of radio communication would become a matter of software | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: that's because you write right to left :P | 18:48 |
| Lantizia | flailingmonkey, no I believe you all :) | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, nope, I reinvented typing! | 18:48 |
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| crashanddie | I wouldn't mind my sentences being auto-submitted as soon as I stop typing for 2 or more seconds | 18:48 |
| haltdef | anywhere cheaper than nokia directly for a genuine replacement battery or is that just how much bl-5j's cost :< | 18:48 |
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| mortini | Lantizia: there's some project out there that's made a 'universal' radio transmitter that can send/recieve on any frequency. it's just not overly legal in the US | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | haltdef: you can get !nice chinese replacements, that will be very !awesome. | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, what if you're thinking about what you typed :p | 18:49 |
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| haltdef | heh, I did say genuine :P | 18:49 |
| Kegetys | gnu radio? | 18:49 |
| Lantizia | crashanddie, i really !like you alot | 18:49 |
| Lantizia | :P | 18:49 |
| crashanddie | Lantizia: i love you too | 18:49 |
| E0x | i was using mapero the last saturday i am set a route then suddenly a voice come out in italian , left turn | 18:50 |
| Lantizia | awww | 18:50 |
| E0x | i was like o_O | 18:50 |
| * MohammadAG51 plays wedding music | 18:50 | |
| E0x | where ican change the language of that i never set it in italian | 18:50 |
| rafaelbrandao | I need to backport usb stack from a recent kernel on my n810... could anyone help me? | 18:51 |
| * crashanddie runs to the hifi and changes the song to Beckham's Ode: "Oy, Beckham, how's Posh? Doooes she taaaaake it uuup the aaaarse???" | 18:51 | |
| trip0 | wifi sucks on my n900 :( | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | rofl crashanddie | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | Nokia is really acting more and more stupid with the MyNokia shit | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, isn't this a family channel? | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | and? | 18:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | your last /me? | 18:53 |
| crashanddie | http://www.google.com/search?q=define:aaaarse | 18:53 |
| mortini | trip0: http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode | 18:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol | 18:53 |
| mikki-kun | crashanddie: not found... | 18:53 |
| trip0 | mortini, you are the awesome | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: my point exactly ;) | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: it wasn't a swearword :D | 18:54 |
| mikki-kun | remove the first 3 a then you know what you have... | 18:54 |
| crashanddie | hey, now you're putting words in my mouth, I never used such a rude word. | 18:54 |
| Lantizia | anyone made a cradle for the N900 yet btw that anyone knows of? preferably one that can charge a 2nd battery | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 18:54 |
| mikki-kun | problem is, nearly every other word is "longend" therefore you gotta also think that way and those long vocals get shortend to just one and that means you're busted... | 18:54 |
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| crashanddie | does it? | 18:55 |
| mikki-kun | i'd say so | 18:55 |
| crashanddie | :( | 18:55 |
| * MohammadAG51 votes for a kick | 18:55 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie | 18:55 | |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, no kick :( | 18:55 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie | 18:56 | |
| *** crashanddie was kicked by crashanddie (crashanddie) | 18:56 | |
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| mikki-kun | :D | 18:56 |
| mikki-kun | muhahaha | 18:56 |
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| mikki-kun | now that is... kinda disturbing | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | argh, i was just setting up a party cause you left | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | I saw you snaking for the kick, I couldn't let my fans down | 18:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | now a permanent kickban pwease | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | /kickban MohammadAG51 | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | nha, that's too disruptive | 18:57 |
| Surfa | nice show.. but can't locate fun at all | 18:57 |
| mikki-kun | that's a lil overkill i'd say | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | kickbans always cause +m on the channel as long I'm away and stuff, not fun for anyone | 18:58 |
| Jartza | gnah | 18:58 |
| Jartza | nothing. I get no sound of sms. | 18:58 |
| crashanddie | unless MohammadAG51, but he's laughing as soon as you say pee-pee poo-poo | 18:58 |
| Jartza | annoying. | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, err? | 18:58 |
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| crashanddie | s/unless/except | 18:58 |
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| rookie2010 | hi i have a question for everybody, how i make a full backup of my n810 | 19:06 |
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| iPeter- | Hi | 19:08 |
| iPeter- | Is it possible to call with that android thing | 19:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | no, not yet, and #nitdroid-help | 19:09 |
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| iPeter- | MohammadAG51: Okay, thanks of info. Going still to ask in here, is it possible to have it on dualboot | 19:12 |
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| Jartza | does anyone has any suggestions what to try out when I don't get any sms-sounds? | 19:12 |
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| Jartza | I tried changing the tone, changing the volume etc. | 19:12 |
| Jartza | still just silence when the message appears | 19:13 |
| crashanddie | Jartza: did you reboot? | 19:13 |
| Jartza | yes | 19:13 |
| Jartza | did hard reboot | 19:13 |
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| crashanddie | did you change the profile? | 19:13 |
| Jartza | yes | 19:13 |
| Jartza | to silent and back | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | iPeter-, this is called #maemo, not #nitdroid-help | 19:13 |
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| Lantizia | do the sound files even exist? | 19:13 |
| Jartza | yes :) | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | stay on topic | 19:13 |
| iPeter- | Jartza: Do you have MediaPlayer on | 19:13 |
| Jartza | they are played in settings -> profile | 19:13 |
| iPeter- | MohammadAG51: I know, lol. But it seems to be non active | 19:14 |
| Lantizia | is alsamixer showing everything is up? | 19:14 |
| Jartza | I can hear the tones loud and clear | 19:14 |
| Jartza | no mediaplayer. this happens even after boot. | 19:14 |
| rookie2010 | who recomends n900 | 19:14 |
| iPeter- | i do | 19:14 |
| Jartza | Lantizia: alsamixer only shows "Master"... | 19:14 |
| iPeter- | rookie2010: I recommend N900 (; | 19:14 |
| rookie2010 | and the repositories | 19:15 |
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| rookie2010 | i have a question how i can install the app in other folder | 19:15 |
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| Jartza | but master is at 100% and not muted | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | you don't, it's not symbian | 19:15 |
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| Jartza | I've had this problem since the beginning. | 19:16 |
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| crashanddie | Jartza: have you tried reflashing? | 19:17 |
| Jartza | actually, I think I've heard the sms-sound once or twice :P | 19:17 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: that I haven't tried, no. | 19:17 |
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| Jartza | this is almost mint phone. just updated to PR1.2 | 19:18 |
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| Jartza | I might try reflashing then | 19:21 |
| Jartza | although PR1.2 update went just smoothly | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | argh, lost my scratchbox install on my laptop :/ | 19:22 |
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| mikki-kun | oh my... | 19:24 |
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| mikki-kun | i want the source for maemo-sdk -.- | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~maemosdk | 19:25 |
| infobot | maemosdk is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 19:25 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: sourcecode which install via checking which versions of libs i have | 19:25 |
| mikki-kun | now it want libpng12... i have libpng14... | 19:25 |
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| marcus | Heya guys, when programming an application for vertical view (on n900), how do you do that? Do you program the app so it's kind of rotated? | 19:27 |
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| MiXu- | Qt has built in support for rotation. So you don't really need to do much. | 19:30 |
| andre__ | marcus, http://wiki.maemo.org/Using_Fremantle_Widgets#Portrait_Mode | 19:30 |
| marcus | MiXu-: Unfortunately, I'm starting out with pyGTK so far. | 19:31 |
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| MiXu- | marcus: Are you just starting or do you have an existing project already? | 19:32 |
| rookie2010 | i dont have enough memory how i can install the app to another folder | 19:32 |
| marcus | MiXu-: Starting. TBH I thought QT looked a little harder than gtk. | 19:33 |
| nomis | marcus: it is not a question of the toolkit, the application just needs to a) tell the x-server that it requests Portrait mode and b) listen to what the X-server tells it. | 19:33 |
| nomis | marcus: andre__ has the relevant link. | 19:33 |
| E0x | that scratchbox debian repositories is give me this error: .....(stdin) is not a bzip2 file.... | 19:33 |
| MiXu- | marcus: I strongly suggest you forget about GTK. Future-wise Qt is a better bet on Maemo/MeeGo. | 19:33 |
| MiXu- | Go with pyQt if you don't like C++. | 19:34 |
| lcuk | marcus, you as app designer should just think about your UX layouts being 480*800 or other portraity variations | 19:34 |
| andre__ | MeeGo supports both Qt and GTK, with Qt as default... | 19:34 |
| marcus | MiXu-: I can only agree with you on that, and I do like C++, but I like the possibility to edit the application while being on the n900. | 19:34 |
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| marcus | lcuk: Yeah, I thought that was how it worked. I just need to look a little more on that link to find out how to tell the x-server it is in portrait. | 19:35 |
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| * nomis does not trust people who like C++. | 19:35 | |
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| MiXu- | andre__: Yes, it does. But I'm pretty sure that life will be easier for a MeeGo Qt developer than for a GTK developer. | 19:35 |
| lcuk | sure | 19:35 |
| andre__ | heh, true - might be | 19:35 |
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| * marcus has been doing Visual Basic and Delphi before, but think C++ is better for his needs | 19:35 | |
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| lcuk | nomis, sometimes c++ is a decent thing to have | 19:35 |
| lcuk | :p | 19:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | most of the times, it's not :P | 19:36 |
| jonne | does anyone have recommendations for replacemend headphones for the n900? | 19:36 |
| * RST38h uses BH-905, they are good | 19:36 | |
| jonne | should i get the same ones or is there a better option? | 19:36 |
| marcus | Can't do much with Visual Basic and Delphi (we do have Lazarus though) on Linux. | 19:36 |
| MiXu- | Do you need a mic? | 19:36 |
| RST38h | expensive and tend to fall off though | 19:36 |
| lcuk | jonne, depends on your needs | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 19:36 |
| jonne | not really | 19:36 |
| * lcuk uses visual basic on linux | 19:36 | |
| MiXu- | If you don't need a mic then _any_ normal headphones will do. | 19:36 |
| RST38h | Southwing makes cheap, semidecent headphones | 19:36 |
| jonne | barely used the mic, tbh | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wanted a BH-505, but Nokia in JO is kinda f'd up | 19:36 |
| rookie2010 | the n900 support video conference with skype | 19:37 |
| MiXu- | You have about one million options :) | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Got mine at discount from Amazon | 19:37 |
| nomis | lcuk: I don't trust you, then :) | 19:37 |
| lcuk | lol nomis | 19:37 |
| marcus | lcuk: Oooh, pretty! What is it called? | 19:37 |
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| jonne | anyt headphones will do then? will they work with the radio thing? | 19:37 |
| lcuk | pretty? | 19:37 |
| marcus | Wait | 19:37 |
| MiXu- | I've been pretty happy with Sennheiser PMX-40 and Creative EP-630 | 19:37 |
| lcuk | its called visual basic.. | 19:37 |
| marcus | That didn't turn out right. | 19:37 |
| jonne | because i occasionally use that | 19:37 |
| marcus | Exactly. | 19:37 |
| * marcus slaps himself. | 19:37 | |
| lcuk | i run it in windows but it does stuff for linux | 19:37 |
| MiXu- | Both of them are relatively cheap | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: If it is any consolation, they appear to have problems terminating calls with N900 | 19:37 |
| * lcuk gets c code out of vb | 19:37 | |
| marcus | lcuk: So you aren't compiling it on linux? | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, the 505? | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Call->Music transition sometimes freaks them out (never happened to me though) | 19:38 |
| RST38h | No, 905 | 19:38 |
| lcuk | marcus im compiling the generated c code on linux | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, read about those | 19:38 |
| lcuk | but i use visual basic to layout things | 19:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Switch to Qt already | 19:38 |
| marcus | lcuk: aha | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, you got me confused, I said 505 :P | 19:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Stop this atrocity =) | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Ah, sorry | 19:38 |
| lcuk | RST38h, does the qt designer do plugins | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | Qt is the devil's spawn | 19:38 |
| MiXu- | BH-204 isn't bad either. Not super high quality, but light and nice plugs. | 19:38 |
| lcuk | does it make like SIMPLE | 19:39 |
| lcuk | life | 19:39 |
| MiXu- | No, sorry. I meant BH-214 | 19:39 |
| RST38h | lcuk: afaik, it should | 19:39 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: I would feel uncomfortable in 505 | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, why's that? | 19:39 |
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| nomis | lcuk: if you want to see the atrocities withing C++: here is a starting point: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/defective.html | 19:40 |
| RST38h | Hehehehe: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/ | 19:40 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: they plug into your ears | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, the stock ones are likes that too | 19:41 |
| Jartza | duh | 19:42 |
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| Jartza | there's a bit too many images in the fw-download page :) | 19:42 |
| Jartza | and do I have to reflash eMMC too? | 19:42 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: not using them, for exactly this reason | 19:44 |
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| Jartza | so I have to download the eMMC "latest" and "latest maemo 5 global release" as I'm in finland? | 19:45 |
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| MiXu- | Unless your eMMC is "broken" somehow, you don't need to flash it. | 19:47 |
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| Jartza | I don't know what's broken, but the problem still is that I don't get any SMS sounds. | 19:50 |
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| Jartza | and I've tried everything so far. the SMS just appears in conversations, but no notification sounds, whatever I do | 19:50 |
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| RST38h | China Based Company now does iPad app development too | 19:51 |
| RST38h | Freaking spammers | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | moo vdvsx | 19:53 |
| VDVsx | hey RST38h :) | 19:54 |
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| Venemo | good afternoon! | 19:55 |
| rafaelbrandao | hello :) | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: Fundamentally - the delicious SDR is a lie. | 19:56 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Do you know anything about OpenGLES or PowerVR? | 19:56 |
| * RST38h has got a technical question | 19:56 | |
| rafaelbrandao | I've got this while running a lib here: "Unsupported ioctl: cmd=0x40085511" any ideas? | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: You can in principle roll every radio in the n900 into one 4GHz A/D and D/A, and a DSP. | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | rafaelbrandao: run it on normal platform | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | rafaelbrandao: not in scratchbox | 19:56 |
| rafaelbrandao | seriously?? :o | 19:57 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, nop, little of OGL only | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: It will be hard to lift, and use maybe 1000W. | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | rafaelbrandao: qemu can't emulate that ioctl | 19:57 |
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| rafaelbrandao | you just made my day, jacekowski. | 19:57 |
| rafaelbrandao | my hero :D | 19:57 |
| rafaelbrandao | I was thining on that but how could I guess :D thanks | 19:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: there is progress going on in integrating multiple radios into the same package - but these are generally _not_ SDR - they are radios that are designed to work together. For example, the n900 has bluetooth+FM radio in one package. There exist bluetooth + FM radio + wifi in the same package. | 19:58 |
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| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, interesting info | 19:59 |
| * Lantizia reads up on SDR | 20:00 | |
| flailingmonkey | SDR would be an exceptionally disruptive tech | 20:00 |
| flailingmonkey | delicious disruption | 20:00 |
| Lantizia | hurrah! they're the best kind | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | SDR works. It's just that with current tech it uses (often) 10-1000 times the power of a 'proper' radio in hardware. | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | A point I often use is that a properly shaped bit of crystal can do 5 billion floating point calculations a second on a nanowatt. | 20:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | i'll order up some reconfigurable materials then | 20:03 |
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| marcus | MiXu-: ImportError: No module named qt /cry | 20:08 |
| marcus | MiXu-: I do have pyqt4 and qt installed though. Running Arch Linux here. | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: To answer your initial question - the FM transmitter can transmit in the range of (IIRC) 70-110MHz or so. Absolutely not on 800. | 20:09 |
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| frals | vrooooom | 20:10 |
| Lantizia | ok ok ! | 20:10 |
| frals | going from 100mbit to 1mbit is A W E S O M E! | 20:10 |
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| flailingmonkey | frals: depends on how restricted/filtered the 100mbit is, like my work connection | 20:23 |
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| alterego | Are you bored and looking for something to do? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 20:30 |
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| alterego | Do you wish you could be a champion in the maemo community? | 20:32 |
| alterego | Do you enjoy working with fun new peices of software? | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | no one wants to vote for your app, take a hint | 20:33 |
| alterego | Well, I've got just the thing for you all, test my package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 20:33 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: lies, everyone is jumping at the opportunity, remember kids, there's only four more slots, so hurry up!!! | 20:34 |
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| alterego | This is a once in a life time opportunity! | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, you don't have anything better to do, do you... | 20:34 |
| lcuk | alterego, does it update to my geocities page? | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | wasn't geocities shut down lol | 20:35 |
| alterego | lcuk: it does if you use copy & paste! | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | which you can't do :p | 20:36 |
| alterego | Of course you can, what do you think it was for iPhone?!? | 20:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, you either implemented the echo stuff or you're being an idiot :P | 20:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: neither, I'm being ironic :) | 20:38 |
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| BCMM_ | anyone use mnotes? | 20:39 |
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| BCMM_ | it says it syncs against a webservice, but doesn't make it clear which service it means | 20:40 |
| BCMM_ | i'm looking for something that can sync notes between my desktop and phone, without being tomboy | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: ping | 20:41 |
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| alterego | pong | 20:42 |
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| alterego | would you like to smell my ping pong pong? | 20:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | no | 20:43 |
| alterego | :) | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | about media im status | 20:43 |
| alterego | yessir? | 20:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | the list of accounts is not in a sane order | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | could you make it match presence order? | 20:43 |
| alterego | shit, I knew I forgot something. | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | hide facebook too :P | 20:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, I'll add it in 1.0 | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i have: gtalk; gtalk; jabber; sip; skype; sip; gtalk | 20:44 |
| alterego | I was going to do it alphabetical. | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's at 0.4... lol | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: well, the gtalks are all timeless... | 20:44 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd suggest you match presence order | 20:45 |
| alterego | Sure, but my next version will be 1.0 which will probably be the final release. | 20:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't necessarily a sane order, but being what others will expect is good | 20:45 |
| BCMM_ | installing mnotes doesn't take one any closer to finding out what webservice it uses or how to get an account... | 20:45 |
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| alterego | It's just the order they're returned bu the dbus call. | 20:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: you'll want to sniff or ask around for how presence orders it | 20:46 |
| * timeless_mbp presumes it sorts by service | 20:46 | |
| alterego | Oh, that's easy to implement :) | 20:46 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the sort i have is: | 20:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | gtalk [ timeless.1; timeless.2; timeless] ; sip; skype; jabber | 20:47 |
| alterego | Like I said, I'm not sorting at all, I imagine it's in order of creation tbh | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | which does look like alpha sort w/in protocol | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't | 20:47 |
| e-yes | how to bring keyboard backlight on by software? echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb1/brightness works, but backlight fades out in half of second | 20:47 |
| alterego | check your accounts.ini file or whatever it is :) | 20:47 |
| timeless_mbp | the gtalk item at the end of my list would not have been created last :) | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | e-yes: it's a mce thing | 20:47 |
| alterego | Oh, well, maybe look at the file anyway | 20:47 |
| e-yes | SpeedEvil, let assume mce is not running | 20:48 |
| e-yes | (in case of nitdroid) | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | it wouldn't shut off :) | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | definitely not accounts.cfg order | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | also as DocScrutinizer said, try sleep 3; echo etc... and it should stay on unless you touch the screen | 20:49 |
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| alterego | Anyway, yes, I'll order by presence and proto and alpha. | 20:53 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: that seem reasonible? | 20:53 |
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| hahlo | hi, got error "libcrypto.so.0.9.7: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director" do I miss some library? | 20:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: i believe so | 20:59 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: well, I'll be releasing the progress to 1.0 in devel for people to play with, so I'll let you know when that occurs :) | 21:00 |
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| * lbt_ looks around... | 21:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: i'll vote 0.4 out in a bit | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | but right now i'm busy yelling at chase | 21:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | (the bank) | 21:04 |
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| Jartza | what | 21:04 |
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| Jartza | this is absurd | 21:04 |
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| Jartza | no SMS sound still | 21:04 |
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| Jartza | not after reflash | 21:04 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: thank you very much. Have fun. | 21:04 |
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| jacekowski | Jartza: this is sparta | 21:05 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i went to chase once | 21:05 |
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| Jartza | jacekowski: seems to be yes. | 21:05 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: ( they were in same building as other bank i was looking for ) | 21:05 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: and they started selling me their shit straight away | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | more like broken server | 21:06 |
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| Milo- | anyone else have problem connecting to msn with msn pecan or msn protocol plugin? | 21:07 |
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| Milo- | well, connecting not an issue, acquiring my contacts how ever is | 21:08 |
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| alterego | Milo-: haze works fine for me. And I know a few others that seem to agree with me on Haze aswell. I recommend it over the others :) | 21:11 |
| Milo- | okay | 21:11 |
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| alterego | Though, once I had to restart the device to get it to work. But that only happened once :P | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | Haze ftw | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | killall telepathy-haze alterego | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | if it happens again | 21:12 |
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| Milo- | alterego haze is not in maemo.org or testing? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | WTF | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | battery went from half full to dead! | 21:13 |
| Milo- | half full to half dead? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | red bar | 21:13 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 21:14 |
| lbt_ | How do we deal with little shits who vote down apps for half-arsed reasons? | 21:15 |
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| luke-jr | what is sgx_misr? | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | and why is it eating 100% CPU and making N900 non-responsive? | 21:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:16 |
| * timeless_mbp just realized that this n900 *knew* the number it just dialed was Chase | 21:16 | |
| lcuk | lbt_, shopper in testing? | 21:16 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: yep | 21:17 |
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| lbt_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.12/ | 21:17 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: I'm going to include a special rule in the automation system just for him... <evil grin> | 21:18 |
| lcuk | haha | 21:18 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:18 |
| lcuk | you wont make that mistake again will you :p | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: oh well | 21:18 |
| flailingmonkey | i just unignored the join/part/quit/nick messages for a minute in irssi... terrible idea | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | in my case, in 2008 they had a customer who couldn't spell his/her email address correctly | 21:18 |
| lbt_ | lcuk: actually I'm glad I'm going through the QA pain | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | it's so fucking annoying | 21:19 |
| lcuk | :) its good to see how it is | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i forwarded their account verification message the same day to abuse@chase | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | REALLY annoying | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | and disheartening | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | and off putting | 21:19 |
| crashanddie | flailingmonkey: oh yes, full ignore on nick changes, parts and joins is an absolute requirement on freenode | 21:19 |
| lcuk | yes, and from it we will get a better mechanism | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | for the past 2 years i've been trying to get them to fix the email address to not be mine | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | and I feel like saying "well, F*CK YOU MAEMO" | 21:19 |
| lcuk | but we have stronger apps cos of it | 21:19 |
| lcuk | :O | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | i told them initially that i wasn't a customer | 21:19 |
| lbt_ | so clearly there is work needed there ;) | 21:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but that i couldn't say i didn't want to receive communications from them forever | 21:20 |
| timeless_mbp | more recently they bought my bank | 21:20 |
| timeless_mbp | so now i *am* their customer | 21:20 |
| timeless_mbp | and they still haven't fixed it | 21:20 |
| lbt_ | yeah, but I really empathise with the naysayers | 21:20 |
| lcuk | the issues are well documented and known | 21:20 |
| lbt_ | *nod* | 21:20 |
| lbt_ | but not changed? | 21:20 |
| crashanddie | lbt_: I find it more effective to star out the c in fuck | 21:20 |
| lcuk | but also, you should know the rules | 21:20 |
| crashanddie | lbt_: fu*k off :) | 21:21 |
| lbt_ | crashanddie: I like that :) | 21:21 |
| lbt_ | have you seen the BOSS stuff for MeeGo ? | 21:21 |
| lbt_ | it's a bit naff-looking at the moment | 21:21 |
| lbt_ | but I'm quite excited by it | 21:21 |
| flailingmonkey | BOSS? | 21:21 |
| flailingmonkey | ~BOSS | 21:22 |
| lbt_ | Build Orchestration Supervision System | 21:22 |
| flailingmonkey | nice name | 21:22 |
| lbt_ | took me ages to make that up ;) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | not yet lbt_ ive been busy myself | 21:22 |
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| lbt_ | it's a cool little Ruby workflow system | 21:22 |
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| lbt_ | I've been working on the AMQP link | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | why is Shopper listed in "Office"? | 21:23 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: multimedia? | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | lbt: Section: | 21:24 |
| lcuk | user/office | 21:24 |
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| lbt_ | yes ... where is better in the insane set of groupings? | 21:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | ask GeneralAntilles? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | lbt - ask the testing squad ;) | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([2010-06-28 17:52:20] <crashanddie> Nokia is really acting more and more stupid with the MyNokia shit) Any pointer? | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ^^^ | 21:27 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: when I read the descriptions (way back) that's where it fitted | 21:27 |
| lbt_ | I've never changed it | 21:27 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: eh? | 21:28 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: what the hell are you talking about | 21:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | lbt: ok | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, looking at the other items i have, i don't know that it's really misplaced | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: if you call it talking about, a quote and the two words "any pointer" | 21:28 |
| timeless_mbp | shopper is basically a smart spreadsheet | 21:29 |
| Milo- | gah | 21:29 |
| lbt_ | I really hate the sections... they are so non-personal and just so crap | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and that's where spreadsheets go | 21:29 |
| lbt_ | yup | 21:29 |
| lbt_ | or a database | 21:29 |
| Milo- | still can't fetch contacts with msn-plugins :/ | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: remember, i'm using Catorize | 21:29 |
| RST38h | smart spread shit | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so i actually see them | 21:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | … after installing ... | 21:29 |
| RST38h | hmm...there may be uses for that | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I want to get a URL or similar pointer to the place WHERE nokia is acting more and more stupid | 21:29 |
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| lbt_ | RST38h: :D | 21:30 |
| Milo- | how come I'm not able to fetch my msn contacts with any of the 4 msn plugins that can be found in maemo.org or extras and extras testing repo? | 21:30 |
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| Milo- | when I press "new IM" it just says "No contacts" | 21:30 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.nokia.com/A4515032 | 21:31 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the council thread about mynokia, in community on tmo | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ...as I read your comment like there's ne statements or actions from Nokia in reply to the council open letter | 21:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ^ my nokia | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: a diff pkease, to the way they acted stupid there 2 days ago. What changed?? | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 21:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't think anything changed | 21:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i certainly haven't heard anything | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: so that was a laggy comment to http://maemo.org/community/council/nokia_response_to_mynokia_subscription_in_pr1-2/ etc, not some new stuff? | 21:42 |
| crashanddie | yes | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 21:42 |
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| jacekowski | fu**** apple and fu***** drm in fu***** m4v files | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mugur enache's comment has a point | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | only thing i ever bought in shitstore | 21:44 |
| jacekowski | and i can't play it now | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | because of drm | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 21:45 |
| lbt_ | ha ha | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: give it back, reclaim your money | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: more like - throw it in the garbage can as it's worthless, sue them for selling shit, then get your money back | 21:48 |
| lcuk | sigh | 21:49 |
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| Milo- | nope, can't find a reason why those msn plugins can't fetch contacts | 21:53 |
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| flailingmonkey | is MSN linked into the xbox live messaging stuff? | 21:55 |
| Milo- | no idea | 21:56 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: no, unfortunately not :( | 21:56 |
| alterego | alterego: I'd love that as a telepathy plugin. | 21:57 |
| alterego | I might actually have a look into that, if it appears to be the same protocol as MSN Messenger I will do it myself :) | 21:57 |
| alterego | But I'm currently working on a telepathy sharing service plugin | 21:57 |
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| Milo- | no contacts with haze either | 22:07 |
| Milo- | this stinks | 22:07 |
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| alterego | Milo-: sounds very suspicious ... | 22:08 |
| Milo- | yes | 22:08 |
| Milo- | maybe msn server has lost all my contacts somehow | 22:08 |
| Milo- | or maybe there is a temp file somewhere | 22:08 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: I can easily do a text only Telepathy plugin for XBox, I'll work on it after my sharing plugin | 22:08 |
| alterego | Milo-: try on a proper comp00ter | 22:08 |
| alterego | Have you tried with pidgin? | 22:08 |
| Milo- | works on my desktop pc | 22:09 |
| Milo- | just a problem with my n900 | 22:09 |
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| alterego | Milo-: :( | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 22:10 |
| alterego | Wish I could help, because if you can'#t see your contacts, then how will they be able to see your media IM statuses! :D | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | there is like a gazillion of state machines in code of bme | 22:11 |
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| flailingmonkey | jacekowski: disassembling that implement of insanity? | 22:20 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 22:21 |
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| flailingmonkey | too bad you can't throw out the pats that never get used on the N900 | 22:22 |
| flailingmonkey | *parts | 22:22 |
| flailingmonkey | a sort of coverage report | 22:22 |
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| jacekowski | well, i can do code coverage | 22:23 |
| jacekowski | but thing is | 22:23 |
| jacekowski | that it might not be covered because it needs certain condition to happen | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: probably you don't want to know what BME really is doing | 22:25 |
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| jacekowski | i do | 22:27 |
| gsever | hi guys | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | i'm already craze | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | crazy* | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | so it can't get worse | 22:27 |
| gsever | trying to customize conversations areas | 22:27 |
| gsever | wondering how to change the font size in conversations | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the usual behaviour of BME, as strange and probably undesirable as it is, can easily be RE'd by simple observation. It's the "_UNLIKELY" branches that needed detailed analysis, and that's hard enough and also these parts in BME most likely are as borked as the main functionality | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | "_UNLIKELY"? | 22:29 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: indeed | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice - do we care? | 22:29 |
| flailingmonkey | I believe he meant branches marked as unlikely, and therefore not predicted | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | There just aren't that many corner cases. | 22:29 |
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| jacekowski | we don't know anything about dsme | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | There are only maybe a dozen possible states, if that. | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unlikely) heard it's a compiled directive to generate more effective code by telling which branch of a conditional control structure is more seldom used | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And most of them, the transitions are obvious. | 22:30 |
| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: unless bme includes corner cases for all nokia phones ever :P | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least obvious to generate code that will work at least as well. | 22:31 |
| flailingmonkey | if we had the requirements, the whole process would be straightforward | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly. It's more like we NEED to know about the emergency brakes and special case treatments (extreme temperature, extremely low cell voltage, etc) | 22:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | But most of those are fairly obvious to do - at least conservative. | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - no charge if temp >-20 or >50 | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I guess these are also braindead in a way we really just use them for scaring example how to NOT implement shit | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also no DIScharge >70°C | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | see fried cell by OC+mencoder | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but all this either is hard to RE from BME, or is implemeted in a borked manner or not at all | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 22:35 |
| Milo- | hmm ahaa, the contacts do exisst | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or all at once :-P | 22:35 |
| Milo- | exist* | 22:35 |
| Milo- | but can't access them through "conversations -> new IM" | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Load shedding for xample would be another useful too. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 22:36 |
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| Milo- | have had some msn plugin issues | 22:37 |
| Milo- | used to be able to access msn contacts through "conversations -> new IM", but now it just shows "no contacts" | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: just hits my mind: prolly what BME writes to CAL are some crappy estimations about real total capacity of cell etc | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, that's what i think i've found | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Load shedding as a useful task of BME I mean. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's load shedding? | 22:38 |
| ShadowJK | Those estimates are pretty darn borked | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't see any good reason to write it to cal, and not a text. | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | is cal wiped after flash? | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: removing loads under unusual power conditions. | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | because it doesn't look like so | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | i've found a code that handles situation when there is no block named bme in cal | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: cal never wiped | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | and i've found another thing about cal | 22:39 |
| lbt_ | timeless_mbp: haven't you voted yet? | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, distracted | 22:40 |
| lbt_ | :D | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | i fucking hate wireless | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | this was which, shoper? | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | going back to cal | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe w/ two ps? | 22:41 |
| lbt_ | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/shopper/0.5.12/ | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | my battery is charged to 100% *real* and pretty good condition now for ~24h, still lshal states it has 750mAh and 53% | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | it seems to store previous values as well | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm probably going to buy a bike again tomorrow | 22:41 |
| lbt_ | SpeedEvil: ^^^ | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure how to access them easily ( cal library only gives access to latest values ) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | lbt: the red arrows for next/prev don't really fit my theme and are too thin :) | 22:41 |
| * lbt_ looks at timeless_mbp.... | 22:42 | |
| lbt_ | slowly | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes, it's simply they don't overwrite blocks in cal, rather they use fresh ones | 22:42 |
| * lbt_ wonders if fiferboy is here... | 22:43 | |
| jacekowski | yeah | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and cal lib probably is as smart as old bread | 22:43 |
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| fiferboy | lbt_: I'm here, but I haven't been listening | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | but cal stores size of a block as well | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: I suggest bugtracker link as https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Shopper - not the straight bugs URL | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | well, size of data written | 22:43 |
| lbt_ | hey there... I'm pimping for shopper votes | 22:43 |
| lbt_ | SpeedEvil: it's in git | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:44 |
| lbt_ | but I'm not releasing a fix with 7 + votes | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:44 |
| fiferboy | lbt_: I'm on it (installed the update the other night) | 22:44 |
| lbt_ | when I have a version in extras | 22:44 |
| lbt_ | then I'll push a new release at once | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway load shedding (what I called "no DIScharging on >70°) probably is a task for a much more central part of system, maybe even kernel itself. For sure a userland BME process isn't the right place to do that | 22:45 |
| lbt_ | especially since I had 8 +ve votes until Emanuele 'psycho' Cassioli voted it down for *not having a long enough link to the bugtracker* | 22:45 |
| lbt_ | SpeedEvil: also note the bug link in the About box :) | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: Some people just put in the link to the ugtaracker, without actually making the app in the bug | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | Do we have any easily accessible temperaturre sensor besides the one in bq27200? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: freq governor? | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer? | 22:46 |
| lbt_ | yeah, Shoppere was actually one of the earliest apps on maemo bugs | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (load shedding) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there are some | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: for example - turning off the highest backlight option | 22:47 |
| lbt_ | (clearly it was so long ago it was ye olde shoppere) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: always depends on what temperature you're interested in particularly | 22:47 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: twlsomething does temperature as well | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | Well for the not charging not discharging | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | if i remember correctly | 22:47 |
| * SpeedEvil votes down shopper. The binary size is not a prime number. | 22:48 | |
| lbt_ | fiferboy: not seen you about much (not sure if that's me or you though!) | 22:48 |
| lbt_ | <grin> | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: aiui for cell temperature the bq24150/27200 die temp is the best we can get | 22:48 |
| fiferboy | lbt_: It's probably me. I'm usually logged in to IRC but only been observing lately | 22:48 |
| * lbt_ offers SpeedEvil a premium account on the new community OBS | 22:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: except for mugen which seems to have a real NTC on BSI | 22:49 |
| lbt_ | fiferboy: that's allowed ... I do it a lot | 22:49 |
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| fiferboy | lbt_: How is the OBS work coming along? | 22:50 |
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| lbt_ | I was just too busy this weekend | 22:50 |
| lbt_ | x-fade was on it today | 22:50 |
| lbt_ | I'm working on a really neat automation system | 22:50 |
| lbt_ | that I hope will power the new meego and maemo QA processes too | 22:50 |
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| lbt_ | it's very close - but the HW hasn't been powered up yet AFAIK | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Packages installed, and available for checking. | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | babyphone colorflood evopedia extcalllog gargoyle gps-data-logger gpsrecorder gstreamer0.10-hantro hildon-im-keyboard-assistant hildon-im-keyboard-assistant-scv hildon-theme-variant-203 hoopsfrenzy icedtea6 kanatest led-pattern-editor libtimeshop maemo-mapper maenotify mafw-gst-subtitles-applet mafw-lastfm mstatus-applet ncalc omweather-gismeteo-ru-stations-db omweather-weather-com-stations-db openjazz portabase preinstalled-contacts-variant-203 python | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Should uninstalling kill the binary if it's still running? | 22:52 |
| lbt_ | no | 22:52 |
| lbt_ | not unless it's a daemon | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: will kill it when it's trying to open/access some associated lib that got installed | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigsegv | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I know it may later segfault, or do unexpected stuff. | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise the handle of the process to it's own program text file aka binary will keep the file *data* alife | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | alive* | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...until the handle is closed | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the the disk space is actually freed by fs | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | standard unix fs behaviour aiui | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | known issue with logrotate | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you don't rm /var/log/*, rather you do a ": >/var/log/*" to set size of file to 0, as otherwise the old large file lingers on 'forever' in a zombie state, while syslog still writes to that unnamed old file and not to the newly created empty logfile | 22:58 |
| lbt_ | syslog-ng | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | about 40% done | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | couple more hours | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | and i'll have whole bme analysed | 22:59 |
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| flailingmonkey | jacekowski: masochist, you deserve a pat of the back, and some cookies | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I doubt we'll be *much* wiser then ;-D | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well, at least we will be able to tell for sure then what BME actually does NOT do | 23:01 |
| V13 | ehlo... I'm struggling to make a multi-instance desktop applet/widget in python but the #$@#$$%#$ thing core dumps when calling HomePluginItem.get_applet_id(). Any ideas? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, just one - python shouldn't coredump | 23:02 |
| V13 | i know :) | 23:02 |
| * V13 tells python not to core dump | 23:03 | |
| V13 | (while moving the finger) "You shouldn't do that" | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably some object not initialized correctly | 23:05 |
| V13 | well... I first want to be sure that it is not something that I shouldn't do | 23:05 |
| V13 | e.g. calling geT_applet_id() | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea, never looked it that | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | into (damn, missing even 2 keystrokes is rare also for this crap laptop kbd) | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what exactly is the primary topic for your REing of bme? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: is there a defined set of questions you want answers for? | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: or are you looking for a particular functionality? or just out of curiosity? | 23:10 |
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| V13 | nailed it... :) | 23:12 |
| V13 | get_applet_id() doesn't work in the constructor. | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: so my idea of a not correctly initialized object seems to be close | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not YET, maybe | 23:14 |
| V13 | well.. it always is with python core dumps :P | 23:14 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i would like to make open version of bme | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: anyway that's clearly a bug in get_applet_id() | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | and find the code responsible for host mode usb power | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thare are already versions of a rudimentary open BME | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | well, most of them don't have half of original bme functionalities | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and there's for sure no code inside bme for proper hostmode VBUS supply mode | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: how do you know thath | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | s/h//2 | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: simple deduction - it's been Nokia's lagging of putting BME proper wrt hostmode that in the end lead to kill of AB-receptacle and OTG support | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | and there are things we don't know | 23:28 |
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| flailingmonkey | I'm certain that the analysis will be enlightening... and possibly depressing | 23:29 |
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| * ShadowJK thought the driver rework due to omap usb errata was what killed hostmode | 23:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe. I'm not sure I'm interested in it for now, though. It might invalidate my efforts on jrbme as Nokia could claim it's based on illegal RE of BME | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not exactly. | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | I agree about not wanting to see any re bme code though | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Nokia switched to 1707 as twl4030 initially didn't know about charger detection. Then they had to implement full hostmode according to usb.cert specs, to get certification - they failed n that in time, so decided to rather discard the whole OTG thing | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/hostmode/OTG | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's pretty clear bme is lacking one thing for sure: proper OTG support | 23:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Although I think it's fine if jacekowski discovers anything really important, if he describes/documents it in english for jrbme authors who write it in code from the description | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, bme doesn't even know how to deal correctly with charger_detect() and non-'standard' dedicated chargers | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ack | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | At the time I think the correct way is to ignore those chargers :-) | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, there's most likely nothing we really want to learn from bme | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, but BME doesn't do that - rather it renders musb/PHY in a undefined/illegal state and that causes battery *drain* _increased_ by ~60mA, when a non-standard (D+/- short) charger is attached | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm pretty sure we don't want to RE and re-implement this behaviour | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | the drain happens without bme too :-) | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and same holds true for almost all aspects of BME - at least that's my notion on it | 23:39 |
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| ShadowJK | and cpu gets locked to 500 | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, because USB tries to listen to a host that never will be around | 23:40 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: why is the N900 charge outputing 1200 mA whereas most other microusb chargers seems to max out at 500 mA? | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and BME isn't exactly causing that, but it doesn't do anything to cure it | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: maybe because N900 itself can fastcharge @1050mA max? | 23:41 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't have any nonstandard chargers anymore :D | 23:42 | |
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| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: we need to put pressure on Nokians to come back with a definitive answer on those "legal" issues they weren't sure about | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a nice one with a A-USB receptacle and a LED to indicate current drawn | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | what legal issues? | 23:42 |
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| ShadowJK | bme seems to select 950 charge current most of the time | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | legal issues regarding publishing a decent requirements spec for BME | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 23:44 |
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| Lateralu1 | What was the file you could write that would launch the application manager? .install? .launch? | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | the temperature (as reported by bq27200) really goes up at 1250, and it's not the battery heating up, the 2400mAh mugen should be able to absorb far greater current with no issues | 23:44 |
| Lateralu1 | Anyone know where that is documented? | 23:44 |
| flailingmonkey | .install is what you are thinking of, i believe | 23:45 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: care to elaborate on the fastcharge bit? This some new tech? | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, not really | 23:45 |
| flailingmonkey | it would be like, yourapp.install | 23:46 |
| tybollt | sjk: why doesn't all mobiles have "fastcharge"? | 23:46 |
| flailingmonkey | the fennec one is a good example. | 23:46 |
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| Lateralu1 | flailingmonkey: I need the contents of the file -- I don't remember what it was supposed to conatin | 23:46 |
| Lateralu1 | contain* | 23:46 |
| wazd1 | Woo, I've finally updated Marina theme for PR 1.2 x) World is still safe :) | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt: the new-ish bit is that USB consortium recently standardized the method by which to detect whether a device is connected to a dedicated charger and thus able to draw more power than the usb maximum of 500mA | 23:47 |
| tybollt | ah olrite that makes sense | 23:47 |
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| Lateralu1 | flailingmonkey: Found one. | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | Many PCs will fry their usb if you try to draw 1200mA :) | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | (and those PCs would have non-conforming usb implementations) | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: correct behaviour would be: detect VBUS, try to confirm D+-short fastcharger, try to ENUM to host, if both fails then fall back to 500mA charging | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas N900 seems to get stuck in the "try ENUM" step and never falls thru to enabling 500mA mode | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: bq24140&1707 do: detect VBUS, try to confirm D+/-short fastcharger (if ok ->500mA), fall thru to 100mA emergency charging. | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | without trying to enum to a host /which bq24150 can't do on its own) it's a sane scheme | 23:57 |
| ShadowJK | Well doing 500mA as fall back isn't right either.. though everyone else does it | 23:58 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: if the BME issues have anything to do with patents, Nokia would have no reason not to fully list what patents are involved | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: if host doesn't answer to enum, then it's ok to step up to 500 | 23:58 |
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| ShadowJK | oh? is that a new thing? | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: ack. It's more like contractors *might* have IP in BME code | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: if it's not answering to enum, then it's no host but a charger | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | flailingmonkey: it's not that simple | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | or hub | 23:59 |
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