IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-06-27

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jacekowskii think that's working00:01
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DrGrovFeel the flow00:03
DocScrutinizerpahartik: CA-100? you mean CA-101 USB cable? And - depending on what you actually do and keep activated/powered on your N900 - that's a common problem00:03
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: yo there chap! :)00:03
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that's the problem: nobody has a way to gnd ID pin :-S00:03
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: should I mail you the the one charger I found?00:04
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: or lemme put it that way: micro B USB plugs with ID pin grounded are hard to find00:04
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: the one with 2 old type Nokia charging inputs that becomes the USB model00:05
jacekowskii think it's working00:05
jacekowskiwithout any kernel mods00:05
DrGrovjacekowski: what are you fucking around with this time? burning the device or? :)00:05
pahartikDocScrutinizer: It is "Nokia CA-100", I have used it for charging "Nokia 6151" from battery before00:05
jacekowskihost mode00:06
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: :-D00:06
vldcnstjacekowski; grounded to what?00:06
DocScrutinizerto Ground???00:06
MohammadAG51lol what?00:06
vldcnsterm, let me rephrase that. ground what?00:06
DocScrutinizerID pin00:06
MohammadAG51wait... what just happened?00:07
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Kegetyswhich one is the id pin?00:07
jacekowskiwell, i was fucking around with cal00:07
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jacekowskii fucked up my r&d mode flags00:07
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DocScrutinizerKegetys: the on that hits the table writing ID on it in your face00:08
jacekowskiand i wrote one to "usb_host_mode" in cal00:08
jacekowskiand i proc/driver/musb_hdrc shows host mode00:09
jacekowskie2 9900:10
MohammadAG51did it enumerate?00:10
konfooso is the meego ui actually coming in alpha on the 30th in some sort of usable form for the n900?00:10
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're talking gibberish00:10
MohammadAG51f1 dd is what it should be00:10
konfooor are all these threads just yanking my chain00:10
xkr47-DIjacekowski, so is host mode "fully possible" with n900?00:11
jacekowskiwell, i connected it to self powered hdd00:11
jacekowskiand it has spun up00:11
MohammadAG51did anyone say it wasn't?00:11
MohammadAG51i said did it enumerate00:11
hcmluckily I just looked at this chan ^^00:12
MohammadAG51HDDs spin up without connecting to a host device00:12
hcmMohammadAG51: f1 dd, is not really that good00:12
hcmbecause its still "bdevice"00:12
MohammadAG51any 5V supply makes it spin :)00:12
MohammadAG51f1 dd is a_host for me00:12
SpeedEvilxkr47-DI: yes, it's quite possible.00:12
DocScrutinizerxkr47-DI: hostmode IS possible, we had a proof for that quite some 7 weeks ago, maybe longer00:12
xkr47-DIfound the wiki page, thx00:13
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SpeedEvilxkr47-DI: It needs to have work done to polish it.00:13
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hcmMohammadAG51: have a look at the datasheets. a_host is sw-statemachine, devctl is hw-statemachine00:13
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, you said it'd work before that..00:13
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: i can send you program that i made to set that usb_host_mode in cal00:13
jacekowskibut hmm00:13
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MohammadAG51hcm, they wouldn't really help me, not an engineer to understand that stuff :)00:14
LiraNunais the creator of Mappero here?00:14
DrGrovPeople over at #meego are not too friendly00:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: we want to know what you actually GOT THERE, not a prog to set a bit in CAL00:14
DrGrovThe first person to answer was saying that "We have answered that question a lot" when I asked about MeeGo for N90000:14
xkr47-DISpeedEvil, aight, thx00:14
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so please see if you find the drive in 'lsusb'00:15
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hcmMohammadAG51: you should still be able to understand pages 3253 and 3278 of SPRUF98D, they show how to interpret the values of power and devctl00:16
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: as "spinning up" means nothing at all00:16
DrGrovOfficial statement over at #meego is following:00:16
DrGrov<TSCHAKeee> DrGrov: there will be a community release. It will not be commercially supported by Nokia, but will have the necessary closed code so that all peripherals will at least have a chance of working over time.00:16
DrGrovSo no more asking I presume needed.00:16
MohammadAG51My HDD spins using AC power sometimes00:16
jacekowskihmm, it fails on enumeration00:17
jacekowskilet me copy dmesg to pc00:17
* MohammadAG51 headdesks00:17
hcmjacekowski: but does it try to enumerate?00:17
DocScrutinizertake a breath, people. It's a red herring00:17
jacekowskiit's not booting no00:17
jacekowskii think messing up r&d_mode was a bad idea00:18
jacekowskiwell, that program to set bits in cal was copy&paste of program to set bits in r&d mode00:18
MohammadAG51flash the x-loader image00:18
jacekowskiand i forgot to change that00:18
jacekowskibut that's strage00:18
jacekowski1st time it did boot00:18
jacekowskinow it's not booting00:19
Arkenoidoes anybody actually read crash reports made with crash reporter?00:19
jacekowskimaybe battery is flat00:19
MohammadAG51flash the bootloader...00:19
MohammadAG51or that00:19
MohammadAG51Arkenoi, most probably yes00:19
jacekowskino initfs \o/ on the screen00:19
MohammadAG51R&D mode always says that00:20
Arkenoii just talked to a guy who used to work in MS and he was in contact with the person who "maintains" crash report logs received via "send bug report to microsoft" button00:21
Arkenoithe "maintenance" is actually monthly purge00:21
Arkenoino reads that00:21
jacekowskiwell, i've read some articles about what they found in these logs00:22
MohammadAG51with the amount of bugs in ms products I really am not surprised00:22
jacekowski( i mean microsoft )00:22
hcmwow, that guys job can be replaced by a shell script ;)00:22
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MohammadAG51what did they find00:22
MohammadAG51LOL hcm00:22
jacekowskilet me find it00:22
luke-jrArkenoi: in other words, the guy doesn't do his job00:23
Kegetysif you sign up for having your app's reports be available from microsoft it does work though00:23
luke-jrI'm sure he's *supposed* to aggregate the logs into internal bug reports or such00:23
Arkenoihcm: well, in theory sometimes he *should* receive a request from QA to search for something and he said it just did never happen00:23
DocScrutinizerhcm: you wouldn't believe how many of my jobs I was temped to write a shellscript and then take a year of holiday00:23
jacekowskisteady orange light00:23
jacekowskithat's not charging00:24
MohammadAG51it is00:24
SpeedEvilIt may be.00:24
MohammadAG51emergency charge00:24
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DocScrutinizerit IS00:24
SpeedEvilSteady orange light means it could be charging if some factors are met00:24
jacekowskihmm, now i have steady orange00:25
jacekowskiand it's not starting at all00:25
DocScrutinizerit means you're either charging @100mA or @500mA, without any system booted up00:25
MohammadAG51<MohammadAG51> emergency charge00:25
MohammadAG51battery's flat00:25
MohammadAG51did you have bme off?00:25
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MohammadAG51jacekowski, leave it for half an hour00:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: could also mean NOLO is dead :-P00:26
jacekowskinah, nolo was working 2 minutes ago00:26
jacekowskiand i've done nothing to it since then00:26
DocScrutinizerno NOLO -> nothing to stop emergency hw autonomous charging -> steady orange00:26
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, if only I could test that :P00:26
jacekowskiwould be nice to have usb sniffer00:27
* MohammadAG51 would file a bug report to replace NOLO with GRUB, but meh00:27
* DocScrutinizer acks jacekowski00:27
MohammadAG51i wonder what nokia's response would be00:27
MohammadAG51prolly go fsck yourself00:27
jacekowskii have software usb sniffer00:28
DocScrutinizerStskeeps claims NOLO is signed and no replacement will work as we got no key to sign that00:28
jacekowskibut that's kinda useless00:28
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: key can be cracked00:28
* DocScrutinizer suggested that00:28
SpeedEvilIn some cases, depending on where the verifier is.00:28
jacekowskipeople managed to crack ECC in winrar00:28
jacekowskito make a proper keygen00:28
jacekowskithat's like 1000000000x harder00:29
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jacekowskiand there was htc phone that had similiar problem00:29
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luke-jrjacekowski: how can it be harder?00:29
DocScrutinizerI'm still doubtful about if we really got the OMAP variant that actually does BL checksumming and sign checking00:30
luke-jrjust reverse engineer the WinRAR binary00:30
luke-jrwe don't have the NOLO-sig-check code00:30
luke-jrnot evne in binary form00:30
jacekowskiluke-jr: and you can get public part of the key00:30
luke-jrjacekowski: you can't crack that...00:30
jacekowskiluke-jr: but they did00:30
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I guess you can get that in the OMAP papers00:30
luke-jrif you have the code that checks it, you can possibly hand-craft a compatible signature00:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: what we don't have is the private key Nokia flashed to the OMAP to verify the NOLO checksum00:31
luke-jrbut just the signature/public part isn't sufficient00:31
jacekowskiluke-jr: you always can bruteforce it00:31
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: there is no private key on omap00:32
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: assuming TI hasn't implemented a fixed key and either making their customers send in their BL binaries to get signed by TI, or handing out one standard key to sign to all of their cistomers00:32
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: if there is anything there it's public key00:32
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: correct s/private/public/00:32
jacekowskiand public key isn't a problem00:33
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: you forget option B: allow signed binaries to rewrite the key storage area00:33
jacekowskiwe need private key00:33
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: we don't even have the public key00:33
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: so OMAPs are distributed with TI's key, and a TI-signed app can modify the key used00:33
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DocScrutinizerhmm, possible00:34
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DocScrutinizerstill you need a way to generate your proprietary public key then00:34
luke-jrgpg --create-key00:35
DocScrutinizertbh I never looked into these features of OMAP in detail, as I thought "screwit, I never buy a device using such shit". Now I have to learn I accidentally did :-(00:35
luke-jrfor all we know, NOLO might be not just signed, but encrypted, and change the key every run00:36
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: shit happens00:36
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: stop talking BS please. TI mask programmed BL checksummer/root-BL won't use a GPG key00:36
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: the point being that key-generation need not be a secret00:37
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: and your idea of changing key every run - sorry - doesn't make any sense to me00:37
jacekowskiit looks like i don't have peripherial mode now00:37
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: tha's all very interesting, but beyond what you NOT got now - is there anything usefull you actually earned by doing that hack?00:38
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jacekowskiwell, lack of peripherial mode made extraction of logs harder00:40
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: too bad if there's no ssh and wifi :-P00:40
lcukor writing to mmc etc - theres many ways to get data out00:41
MohammadAG51or typing the log letter by letter00:42
DocScrutinizerfor all that I can figure any setting of those CAL R&D mode flags will do nothing for hostmode, except maybe NOLO enabling a useless broken chargepump in twl4030 which causes ~3V on VBUS00:42
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DocScrutinizerseems like kernel has no way to even know about the hostmode flag in CAL being set, so how could it switch to hostmode magically?00:43
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jacekowskihmm, nolo?00:44
jacekowskibut it has done something to usb00:45
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jacekowskiand it's not r&d flag00:45
jacekowskiit's separate block00:45
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marcus_Heya guys, anybody got ARApp running in pr1.2? I just dl'ed it, and it crashes immediatly :S00:46
MohammadAG51jacekowski, either ways, it hasn't helped the current host mode situation :)00:46
jacekowskiwell, there is something that reads that flag00:46
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lcukmarcus_, yeah i did00:46
lcukhorrible naming convention00:47
lcuki couldnt find the example for the related library anywhere00:47
marcus_lcuk: Do you know the name of the binary? I'd like to try it out in terminal and see output.00:47
lcuktry arapp..00:47
lcukfailing that, its in /opt/arapp00:48
jacekowskiStatus: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=a0, DevCtl=98)00:48
jacekowskiOTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive00:48
jacekowskiOptions: musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=10 [eps=12]00:48
jacekowskiPeripheral address: 0000:48
jacekowskiRoot port status: 0000050100:48
marcus_Already tried arap,, it was my first guess.00:48
MohammadAG51<jacekowski> OTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive lol00:48
jacekowskiStatus: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=f0, DevCtl=dd)00:48
jacekowskiOTG state: a_host; active00:48
marcus_/opt/arapp/arapp it is00:48
lcukmarcus_, on my machine it comes up if i cd into its folder first00:48
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lcukits qt based isnt it00:49
MohammadAG51jacekowski, lsusb?00:49
marcus_lcuk: Hmm, I get a segmentation fault.00:49
jacekowskithat's from logs00:49
jacekowskii have to charge it now00:49
jacekowskii'll play around with it again after it's charged00:49
lcukmarcus_, try reinstalling it, its possible tho you have screwed up some things00:49
jacekowskiand i have to make notes this time00:49
jacekowskias i've got no idea how o got to that state00:49
jacekowskii echoed a bit to /proc/driver/musb.. and /sys/dev...musb/mode00:50
jacekowskibut everything on stock kernel00:50
luke-jris CAD what I want to design a mechanical device?00:50
jacekowskiluke-jr: cad is a generic term00:50
luke-jrI know00:50
lcukluke-jr, yes usually00:50
jacekowskiluke-jr: but yes00:50
jacekowskicomputer aided drawing/design00:51
lcukbut if you want it manufacturing you would need a cad design technician who knows the required bits ;)00:51
lcukif its for shits n giggles yourself, just go for it00:51
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: we did this long ago. getting to host mode *occasionally* by 'echo foo >sys/blabub' is known to yield SOME results, see mohammad and egoshin00:51
luke-jrlcuk: I would want to build it by hand00:52
DocScrutinizerit's not related to --set-rd-flags=USB_HOSTMODE00:52
MohammadAG51which leads to a question, are the patches actually redundant?00:52
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MohammadAG51need to try this on a stock kernel00:53
lcukluke-jr, go for it then00:53
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, i think it's not related to me fucking up my r&d flags00:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: there are no patches of the kind you implied. all patches were to stop idiocies like blacklist, or to make things like "echo F >proc/musb*/*' work00:53
steinexi'm a happy n900 owner now. one question: i use the built-in IM-client. But i do NOT want that my IM-buddys appers in my "contacts" thingie. I just want people i actually call there00:53
steinexi didn't see a way to just show people who have a telephne number or so...00:54
luke-jrsteinex: the difference?00:54
steinexhow do you people do that?00:54
marcus_lcuk: No luck reinstalling. I see another guy having the same problem as I do, on the developers website.00:54
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, but if he got f0/1 dd then the echo F isn't actually needed...00:54
steinexluke-jr: um well i have 120 im-contacts, some of them i change a few words in 2 years00:54
luke-jrsteinex: you want to filter contacts w/o voice capability?00:54
steinexluke-jr: yeah00:54
steinexthat would be good00:54
lcuksteinex, just use the phone then?  i open phone and it lists all my recent calls to people..00:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: how surprising! it shouldn't be needed anyway, if kernel did his job proper and detected fastmode, which is exactly what we try to implement00:55
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steinexlcuk: hrm, well00:55
MohammadAG51right, forgot that F = force hostmode00:56
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steinexwhat i want to do is to filter for "local" contacts so to speak... lets say i add 30 people to my phonebook i still have the im-clutter-contacts around them00:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: the kernel where you got those exciting results of "wooow, it works" was really just a debug-modded kernel that had a few handles and dials to mess with the statemachine manually as it didn't know to do the job correctly n it's own00:57
lcukhehe this looks cool
DrGrovAnyone using appdownloader to download apps from the repositories?00:57
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: that's the whole purpose of that kernel. It's plain unsuited for productive use00:57
steinexi think if i can't filter for local contacts i would need to use pidgin (which i personally don't like much)00:57
luke-jrsteinex: tap the title->Groups->Cellular00:57
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, meh00:58
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steinexluke-jr: u just have "contacts on sim-card" there00:59
luke-jrsteinex: I don't have a SIM card, so speculating on the last option00:59
DocScrutinizeranyway, cya trolls, I missed my *breakfast* another time00:59
steinexluke-jr: i mean _I_ have only "contacts on sim" there ;)00:59
steinexluke-jr: i would use this, but i can't add/delete contacts from it01:00
steinex(which i wonder why too, btw)01:00
DocScrutinizerwell, this second I can declare it breakfast of today :-P01:00
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luke-jrHow can I get the ForecaWeather and Calendar apps to use Tonal?01:01
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jacekowskiwhat was the name of that app that was changing r&d mode flags01:02
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luke-jrjacekowski: flasher or dsme-tool01:02
jacekowskithere was something working on the phone as well01:02
jacekowskigtk based01:03
jacekowskiwith gui01:03
luke-jrdsme-tool was the only on-tablet app I knew of01:04
luke-jrhow can I tell Maemo 5 to keep GPS on all the time?01:04
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jacekowskimy keyboard backlight seems to be behaving strange01:08
Justusis it possible to force the phone application into a specific orientation?01:08
jacekowskibacklight on sides is flashing a random frequency01:08
JustusI want it in landscape allways01:08
luke-jrJustus: wouldn't that be nice? XD01:09
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Justusso it isn't possible? ;)01:09
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cehtehjacekowski: R&D mode?01:13
lcukJustus, open the phone app, click the menu, select turning control, profit01:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: LOL R&D flahlight mode01:14
Justusah, lol01:15
Justuslcuk: thank you, I feel like an idiot now ^^01:15
lcukJustus, not as much of an idiot as luke-jr - he doesnt even have a device01:15
JustusI should take a look at the menu before googling ;)01:15
HtheBman sorry DocScrutinizer01:15
HtheBI just need to say it once :D01:16
HtheBhappy ending!01:16
HtheBman I'm hapy01:16
HtheB I flashed my phone again01:16
DocScrutinizerlcuk: wrong. I heard he recently found a device in his letterbox :-p01:16
HtheBto see what the problem was that I had01:16
HtheB(pressing power button puts the audio into silence for 3 secs)01:17
MohammadAG51HtheB, You have earned a new trophy, get banned from #maemo01:17
lcukoh cripes - i thought it was against his religion?01:17
Justusanybody has experience with an external camera on the n900? I know this is a bit specific but I'm looking for a rearview cam for my car and using my n900 (which I allready use for gps-navigation) seemed rather elegant ;)01:17
Justuscan a webcam or something like that be used on the usb port?01:17
luke-jrlcuk: what? I have two devices.01:17
DocScrutinizerlcuk: LOL01:17
luke-jrthree if you include non-Nokia01:17
luke-jrmany more if you include non-handheld01:18
luke-jrkthx mr. fud01:18
cehtehJustus: not yet .. but as soon hostmode works AND the cam driver will be compiled into some community kernel you may have a chance01:18
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cehtehso .. my guess is not too soon :)01:18
lcuklol luke-jr i could probably dig up quotes from you saying you wouldnt get an n900 cos of the evil binaries01:18
cehtehwell are there bluetooth webcams?01:18
Justusgood idea01:18
SpeedEvilcehteh: I've not seen any. I pondered making one, but got stalled.01:18
Justuslet me take a look at that ^^01:18
DocScrutinizerJustus: you got two cams builtin, so why use an external usb webcam??01:19
SpeedEvilcehteh: There are stupidly expensive bluetooth cameras.01:19
SpeedEvilcehteh: as in DSLR01:19
lcukDocScrutinizer, because he doesnt want to get out of his car to see the gps stuff01:19
nidObecause the builtin camera cant see out the back if it's up with you in the driver's seat DocScrutinizer01:19
luke-jrlcuk: I wouldn't, but I'm not turning down a surprise pkg :)01:19
lcukhe wants to put a camera on his bumper01:19
Justus@DocScrutinizer: the whole point of rearview cams is not having to turn ;)01:19
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luke-jrlcuk: FWIW, I have the Turning Control set to Portrait, and it still acts like it is Automatic01:19
cehtehJustus: well seriously i think its not yet worth the efforts, too much things to do01:19
lcukfair enough luke-jr - now get a sim in it and learn how to use it :p01:19
cehtehbut in theory it may work someday01:20
DocScrutinizererr, I get neither of these comments01:20
luke-jrlcuk: there's no N900-compatible 3G service where I live01:20
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cehteh(possibly with some extra usb power adapter and all kinds of fun and chances to fry your device)01:20
lcukwhy do you need 3g?01:20
luke-jrlcuk: and the only GSM service is like $100/mo for 5 GB01:20
JustusDocScrutinizer: I want to use my N900 as a display for a rearview camera, so when I drive backwards in my car I can look outside the back window directly and not only over the mirrors01:21
lcukDocScrutinizer, the guy asked about webcam via usb because his usecase was: in car nav system, but he wanted to add reversing helper using the camera01:21
lcukluke-jr, do you use it as a phone?01:21
cehtehJustus: tried the 'mirror' app? :)01:21
DocScrutinizeruse a IP cam then01:21
DocScrutinizerfor now01:21
luke-jrlcuk: occasionally01:21
lcukgod im still full of sand01:21
luke-jrlcuk: it's a bit more convenient than my portable analog crap01:22
Justusactually that's not even a bad idea01:22
Justusa wifi cam01:22
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luke-jrlcuk: don't suppose you know a way to tell the phone app to default to SIP?01:22
lcukJustus, you know, some bright designer guy recently came up with a mechanism to see behind you when reversing: called it something like a mirror01:22
lcukdunno luke-jr not looked too deeply into it01:23
SpeedEvillcuk: Does not have augmented reality.01:23
* lcuk is happy just using normal phone01:23
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lcukSpeedEvil, it does however have furry dice plugins01:23
Justuslcuk: you obviously never had a really big car ;)01:23
lcukJustus, even truck drivers manage ;)01:23
luke-jrlcuk: SIP is all I have, in general :)01:24
luke-jreven if I had GSM service, I'd want to use SIP when home01:24
luke-jr(the GSM service would be controlled by the same server as runs SIP)01:24
Justusyeah, I've seen that quite some time now, the average truck driver parks by the "if it cracks loudly you're right"-method01:24
lcukJustuswhat car do you drive?01:25
* GAN900 chuckles at the comments on the latest council blog post.01:25
Justuslcuk: Ford Mondeo, that's a middle class combi-van01:26
lcuksure i know them01:27
lcukip camera would be simplest if you are using n900 in dash01:27
lcukdunno about how good quality would be01:27
lcuki know a lot of the standard rearview systems are pretty nicely integrated01:28
Justuswell, it doesn't need to be perfect, but at least it's a workable idea01:28
SpeedEvilOr composite display, with the n900 in the bumper.01:28
JustusSpeedEvil: yeah! :D01:28
* SpeedEvil wishes HUDs were easier.01:28
Justusthese rear view systems are around 150 euros, dunno if I can get a cheaper IP cam01:28
SpeedEvilyou can get lots cheaper than 150e01:29
SpeedEvilaround 50e for the cheapest01:29
Justussounds good to me :)01:30
SpeedEvilHowever - check the reviews. Quality varies somewhat.01:30
SpeedEvilI'd love a thingy that took input from 8 cams, and did sensor fusion to a 'top down' display01:30
Justusguess I'll go for amazon, they have a cam with good reviews for 30e01:31
* SpeedEvil wishes the n900 could do composite in.01:32
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: what's to chuckle there?01:33
JustusSpeedEvil: I allways wish for a fusion reactor ;)01:34
DocScrutinizer^^^ <-Nokia01:34
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Justuswell then thanks for your help everyone :)01:49
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GAN900DocScrutinizer2, it's just such a lame situation01:56
GAN900and the reply is so silly as to be ludicrus.01:56
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DocScrutinizer2GAN900: indeed01:58
DocScrutinizer2IANAL otherwise should consider to kill my useless life01:58
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DocScrutinizer2now should I *allow* fuscking SMS to be sent, so I have a real reason to bitch after that? Or follow instructions how to avoid it?01:59
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DocScrutinizer2I wonder what testers/devels are supposed to do - the ones who, by following their professional duties, reflash PR1.2 incl eMMC 5 times a day02:02
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DocScrutinizer2what with those who got a corporate SIM for these tests? Are the lawsuits about getting fired for using SMS service on a corporate SIM paid by Nokia?02:03
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SpeedEvilWoo! Only 123 packages left in the QA queue to vote on.02:04
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DocScrutinizer2Will Nokia send experts to witness the poor employee never actually knew he was sending an SMS?02:04
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DocScrutinizer2damn, I always thought we gained the trphy for acting stupid, at Openmoko back when. I start to think we need to pass it over to Nokia02:06
TomaszD <- SpeedEvil vote for this :)02:06
SpeedEvilI think I did.02:06
TomaszDnot unless you're Mustali Dalal02:06
SpeedEvilOh - not yet.02:06
SpeedEvilIt's in my queue.02:06
TomaszD700km+ without a problem using this widget02:07
TomaszDso it's cool02:07
DocScrutinizer2SpeedEvil: karmawhore ;-P02:09
lcukJaffa, GAN900 where was the official original letter that nokia responded to?02:09
TomaszDlol, I just found the ranking of karma by packagetesting and turns out I'm fourth. I don't even spend that much time on this, people are lazy, they don't vote for shit02:09
SpeedEvilWell - I am actually honestly evaluating all the packages for issues.02:09
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SpeedEvilpowertop/strace - licence issues, ...02:09
MohammadAG51that last one surprised me lol02:10
SpeedEvilJust clicking would be much easier.02:10
DocScrutinizer2SpeedEvil: yo da man :-)02:10
* SpeedEvil can't do the GPS widget ATM, as that would involve getting out of bed.02:10
DocScrutinizer2prolly nobody ever did before02:11
MohammadAG51why do you have a ceiling...02:11
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: In some countries, we have this thing called rain.02:11
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Hence, we invented ceilings.02:11
TomaszDthe widget is fine, ten hours of tracking eats less than half the battery with an active bt headset connection open02:12
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, that's a workaround, not a fix02:12
SpeedEvilTomaszD: Sure - but I for some reason like to test this stuff.02:13
SpeedEvilWell - like may be strong.02:14
TomaszDSpeedEvil, sure, the more scrutiny the better02:14
TomaszDit's not I'll find 9 people to vote for this anytime soon here02:14
TomaszDsorry, 8 now02:15
TomaszD*it's not like02:15
TomaszDI'm tired02:15
SpeedEvilyeah. The testing process could do with some improvements.02:16
TomaszDor some good will02:16
TomaszDboth I guess02:16
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TomaszDthat gps correlate gui thing is also cool, but it's still in devel02:19
SpeedEvilgps correlate?02:19
TomaszDyeah, for geotagging photos using gpx files and whatnot02:20
TomaszDI used it for my last bike trip, worked sweet02:20
SpeedEvilI keep meaning to write something to patch
povbotBug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)02:20
SpeedEvilyou diddn't use the internal camera?02:20
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TomaszDnah, I used my trusty fuji f60fd02:21
TomaszDI just put the pictures onto the n900 and used the gpx file generated by the widget02:21
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TomaszDthe gui is hildonized02:21
SpeedEvilput the pictures onto?02:22
SpeedEviloh - SD?02:22
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TomaszDwait, so the n900 really is geotagging photos? I thought it was just a joke feature, like putting the name of the town instead of the coordinates in exif02:25
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TomaszDand you do need a data connection for this at all times, or not?02:25
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SpeedEvilno - it really does put in the coordinates02:26
SpeedEviland you don't - I think - need a data connection.02:27
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ShadowJKIt doesn't try gps for very long02:27
TomaszDwell if I already have a fix from tracking anyway02:28
crashanddieTomaszD: yes, some guy came in here some time ago, claiming the N900 was flucking up the geotagging, when really he'd forgotten to active the feature in picasa02:28
TomaszDthen I don't need a connection02:28
ShadowJKWhen I used n900 offline I had gpsjinni or location-test running to keep gps active, without data it doesn't get town names but it does put in coordinates02:28
crashanddiewhich are a lot more important than town names02:29
TomaszDthat's good to know02:29
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crashanddieconsidering that most of the time, you don't care about the town name, you just want to see an icon on a map02:29
TomaszDalthough I do think that the sharing plugins strip that info upon upload, no?02:29
TomaszDalright then, cool. I won't have to manually geotag at least the pictures from the n900 now02:30
crashanddieanyway, I'm out, later02:30
DocScrutinizer2is the "rounding" error on geotagging fixed?02:30
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DocScrutinizer211.9653 -> 11.9000 or sth like that02:31
TomaszDthe bug report doesn't seem to confirm or deny anything, it's been dead for months02:31
DocScrutinizer2TomaszD: bugnr?02:32
DocScrutinizer2bug #658402:33
povbotBug GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)02:33
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TomaszDI guess I'll keep the manual geotagging method going then, just need to remember to sync the clocks...02:33
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DrGrovWhen Monday comes I will fuck Nokia over02:36
* pahartik finds out that "Nokia N900" cannot actually be charged through "Nokia CA-100" at all, no matter whether external power is provided for laptop workstation02:36
tremnite all, sweet dreams02:36
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DrGrovbug #644302:38
povbotBug Non-Latin alphabet used (for Location status) when device settings are English02:38
DrGrovbug #445102:39
povbotBug <ol> lists are not formatted properly02:39
SpeedEvilWhat is that app that allows me to categorise the app list into uset chosen folders. I can't check on the n900 ATM as I can't move it or my connection will fall over.02:41
emjaHad this ( problem yesterday after dropping the phone. Also had constant reboots that would not get beyond the initial NOKIA bootup screen. Phone is only three days old. bah. Updating the firmware worked the first time, but then got this ( when adding entry to contact list. Reflashing then failed, as did eMCC flash. Can anyone offer advise?02:41
pupnikcatorise ?02:41
DrGrovWhy is the locale settings completely fucked up? I have my phone language as Swedish but the date format becomes YY/MM//DD when I want it to be DD/MM/YY02:41
DrGrovSpeedEvil: catorise02:41
DocScrutinizer2pahartik: I thought that was clear from what I answered to your previous comment in this issue?02:42
ShadowJKDrGrov, regional settings?02:42
DrGrovShadowJK: ah yes'02:42
DrGrovShadowJK: I fucking hate becoming confused with that odd format02:42
SpeedEvilDrGrov: naah - not that02:42
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: ok, I can check further if you like. I think I know what you mean02:43
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DrGrovShadowJK: any way to get it working properly as possible? If I change language to Finnish it is like DD/MM//YY?02:43
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SpeedEvilDrGrov: As I understand it, there is no way to independantly set the date format02:44
ShadowJKwait you get different date format between finnish and swedish language setting?02:44
DrGrovI think so that I get a different02:44
ShadowJKthat sounds fucked02:44
DrGrovUsually Swedish people use YY/MM/DD but in Finland we use of course DD/MM/YY02:45
DrGrovI have no tried to change it to a different one yet though, to Finnish that is but I predict it will be DD/MM/YY02:45
ShadowJKoh I thought sweden did dd-mm-yy too02:45
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DrGrovShadowJK: no, unfortunately not.02:45
DrGrovI though prefer to have my phone in Swedish since I am a bilingual speaker02:46
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: maybe resorting to generic unix methods for setting those details could help?02:46
DrGrovSpeedEvil: Nokia Care will get one mean fucking angry call on Monday morning02:46
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah yes, perhaps that is the way to do things :) thanks. btw, you want the 1 charger I found? The old Nokia -> N900 usb?02:47
SpeedEvilemja: can you pastebin the output of 'df' on the device?02:47
DrGrovShadowJK: I mean it is so irritating to be able to check logs and SMS02:47
DocScrutinizer2why not02:47
emjaSpeedEvil: will do. three mins.02:47
DocScrutinizer2I mean it's not as revampable as I thought, but anyway...02:47
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I hope we are talking about the same charger then. It is that 2 wholes becoming a usb charger for the n900. you mean that one as well?02:47
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ok, good.02:48
ShadowJKDrGrov, I just use english ;-)02:48
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: Since if you do not take it I will burn it to the fucking ground.....02:48
DrGrovYes, CA-146C02:48
ShadowJKand finland as region. I probably wouldn't notice funny date formats, I'm too used to reading random date formats..02:49
DocScrutinizer2if you don't mind sending it, I'll happily add it to my heap of auxiliary devices02:49
DocScrutinizer2as I killed one of the 2 I got, yesterday02:49
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ShadowJKyou killed a ca-146c?02:50
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DocScrutinizer2ShadowJK: yes ->
pahartikDocScrutinizer2: Yes, I think you did... However, I thought it was charged before... Supposedly I just did not pay attention to charging status back then02:51
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer2, ( scary, I gave up halfway through last time I tried make an account02:52
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emjaSpeedEvil: sorry for delay, had to install ssh to get output. couldn't start browser.
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: Where should I send the charger then?03:03
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DocScrutinizer2mompls eting chicken wings :-P03:04
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ShadowJKDrGrov, south .fi, pampas or other? :P03:04
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* ShadowJK too03:05
DrGrovah, interesting03:05
pytherHow can I do control shift?03:05
lcukpyther, gravitational or time based?03:06
ShadowJKwith very slender finger03:06
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* lcuk just does a mini vulcan grip03:07
pytherlcuk: not sure I'm looking at the shortcuts and gestures wiki page03:07
DrGrovgotta run, ttyl guys03:07
pytherand it says ctrl + shift + x for xterm03:07
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lcukit is03:07
lcukjust put 2 fingers on the ctrl+shift03:08
lcukthen one more on x03:08
lcuka mini vulcan grip03:08
pythermy fingers are too big03:08
* lcuk just holds em together and pushes :S03:08
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cure`lol that actually works03:09
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cure`and now the whole phone crashed03:10
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lcukcure`, cute03:11
cure`not kidding03:11
lcukdidnt think you were, what was happening at the time03:11
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* lcuk throws a rock @ w00t_ 03:12
cure`tried to bring up a terminal again, but got the contact list instead since i was slow or something03:12
DocScrutinizer2(it works, ctrl-sh-x) and that's actually more surprising than you might think, as Nokia EE messed up the kbd matrix. So such three letter combinations are failing more often than not03:12
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DrGrovOne quick question03:12
DrGrovCan I alter the LED as well to blink in several different colors?03:12
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* lcuk turned the shower off and was left with a whole dune in the bath03:12
DrGrovI managed to alter it to show my device on as light blueish03:12
w00t_lcuk: now all you need is crabs to complete the beach atmosphere!03:13
lcukDrGrov, the indicator led?03:13
w00t_otoh you probably don't want crabs03:13
DrGrovlcuk: yes03:13
lcukw00t_, no crabs!03:13
lcukwe have seashells03:13
emjaSpeedEvil: any thoughts on that df output?03:13
DrGrovlcuk: i would want to customize it even more for missed events like SMS and calls.03:13
lcukDrGrov, cool03:13
DrGrovlike a multi flashing fucking nice disco ball03:13
lcukdid you ever see MohammadAG51's blinkenlights?03:14
DrGrovlcuk: no, but I love to see them03:14
DrGrovnot HD quality? WTF? :) lol03:15
emjawtf? how'd he do taht?03:15
lcukHD does not mean HighDef when discussing n900 mods03:15
emjadang, I've *really* gotta get my phone working now03:15
lcukemja, its nokia hardware - pretty much all devices need independent control of single leds around the body for various functions - that is carried through to the keymat too03:16
DrGrovlcuk: but I want to watch videos only in HD :/03:16
* emja nods03:16
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MohammadAG51on a non HD screen?03:17
lcukDrGrov, just follow your nose and find the script and expand upon it :P03:17
GAN900lcuk, private council email to Quim.03:18
lcukthen it can be in realistic definition03:18
DrGrovlcuk: I will nose myself to the script and penetrate it....03:18
pytherCan anyone recommend some good ringtones/alarms?03:18
GAN900lcuk, which could possibly be published, I guess.03:18
lcukGAN900, since the reply was posted, wouldnt it also be good to post the mail03:18
DrGrovMohammadAG51: I love that sequence of your LED :) It is so sexy03:18
* lcuk nods03:18
lcukGAN900, it just makes sense03:18
DrGrovpyther: I have ringtones for you if you like03:18
* MohammadAG51 thanks lcuk for helping him with that03:18
GAN900lcuk, well, the mail was that the MyNokia shit is stupid. ;)03:19
DrGrovpyther: some really good ones actually. Perhaps I should link you to one so you can listen?03:19
HtheBFOUND IT!03:19
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DocScrutinizer2the LP5523 can do a lot of nice things for indicator LED which aren't supported by either the mce or the kernel driver03:19
HtheBThe stupid Subtitle app will cause the stupid sound pause bug!!!03:19
MohammadAG51btw, stop mce, echo different brightnesses into the coloured leds, and you get a new colour (not the usual purple/cyan/orange)03:19
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DrGrovpyther: listen to these two... same song but a different start and end to them.03:19
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: why stop mce for that?03:20
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, indeed, just make a script for it and it's epic03:20
DocScrutinizer2even while stopping mce is a really bad idea03:20
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, it kills the brightness after 1 second03:20
MohammadAG51even if i kill engine 1 and 203:20
DrGrovThat ringtone that I just posted a link to guys you should listen to03:20
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: that largely depends. not here usually03:20
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, you lost me on that one03:21
pytherDrGrov: those are pretty good thanks03:21
DrGrovpyther: you are welcome.03:21
DrGrovpyther: i like them since they are not too long and loops nicely03:21
lcukomg sand STILL in hair03:22
pythernow time to just find an alarm03:22
DrGrovpyther: of course I got more own ones that I cut and sampled from real songs03:22
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DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s03:23
DrGrovpyther: I am sure I find you a good alarm tone as well if you like. Can you accept DCC transfers?03:23
pytherI'm sure I can, though I'm not sure I know how to in irssi :P03:23
DrGrovpyther: ah, yes. i presume it is just /dcc accept03:23
lcukpyther, ctrl shift p [ r [backspace] g x 103:23
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lcukor is it g x 203:24
* lcuk is not a console person03:24
pytherDrGrov: give it a try03:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: try doing the brightness settings via ssh or in a script with initial sleep 20, so mce doesn't have to react to user interactive event (aka keypress) after brightness was set03:25
DrGrovpyther: ok. i try to first find the tune I am suggesting to you as an alarm tune.03:25
DrGrovpyther: I think the size is a bit big but should work out well.03:26
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s03:26
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: you're starting talking gibberish03:26
MohammadAG51eco 255 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/brightness03:27
DrGrovpyther: it is a whole song but the beginning is probably what you want to be good?03:27
MohammadAG51do that, as root, it will last less than a second03:27
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pytherDrGrov: I'm not sure what you asking you can send the whole thing to me03:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: can't you listen or what's up with you, dude?03:27
DrGrovpyther: i am sending it now... see it?03:27
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, no, i just missed your message after that one :P03:28
pytherDrGrov: yah let me google how to accept it :P03:28
DrGrovpyther: i resend it now03:29
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, oh, you're right03:29
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: that's entirely new to you? I'm usually right03:29
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, i was going to say 'as always', but it's 3:31 AM so i cba to type long stuff03:30
DrGrovpyther: got it?03:30
DocScrutinizerthere are even dudes that hate me for being *always* right, as they say03:30
pytherDrGrov: yes, thank you03:30
DrGrovpyther: you are welcome :) i use that Californication theme as my ringtone at the moment. Actually that ringtone is the longest ringtone on any phone that I had :)03:31
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, lol03:31
DrGrovpyther: Before I changed ringtones every 2-3 days03:31
DrGrovpyther: what do you think about it?03:31
pytherI like it03:32
pythera little different than what I'm use to, but I think it works well as a ringtone03:32
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DrGrovsleepy time...03:35
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MohammadAG51o/ for the night03:36
pytherStupid question but where am I suppost to put my music and my ringtones on the N900? I connectecd via the usb cable as a mass storage device03:37
ShadowJK.sounds perhaps03:38
pytherahh good guess helps if I display hidden files :P03:38
emjaso do I re-re-re-re-flash my n900? or is there something else I should be doing?03:38
SpeedEvilemja: As I understand it, you have no mmc0 device. This is the emmc03:39
emjaSpeedEvil: I don't know what you mean03:39
SpeedEvilemja: This means that it's been mechanically damaged - a couple of other people have also reported this.03:39
emjaah crap03:40
SpeedEvil(01:17:09 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: Unfortunately, major problems.03:40
SpeedEvil(01:17:24 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: I would guess that that is a PR1.1 device?03:40
SpeedEvil(01:18:21 AM) SpeedEvil: You should also have stuff in mmcblk0 - which is the inbuilt MMC03:40
SpeedEvil(01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /dev/mmcblk0p2         2064208   1864604     94748  95% /home03:40
SpeedEvil(01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /home/opt              2064208   1864604     94748  95% /opt03:40
emjabrand-new phone. crap03:40
SpeedEvilSorry - may have gotten discoed.03:40
emjaahh, ok03:40
emjaany idea if it may be serviceable?03:40
emjaSpeedEvil: or is it a throw-away?03:41
ShadowJKI wonder if /dev/mmcblk0 exists?03:41
emjaShadowJK: this is all I've got:
ShadowJKbut the out of memory messages suggest swap failed too, so that'd hint about big problems with the emmc :(03:42
emjaah, that makes sense03:42
SpeedEvilemja: It is in principle servicable, but it is not as I understand it something a normal nokia care centre would do, they would replace the board.03:42
emjaSpeedEvil: translation: $$$03:43
SpeedEvilit should be free under warranty03:43
SpeedEvilunless the phone is obviously damaged by the fall03:43
emjaSpeedEvil: not if they realie I dropped it03:44
emjaSpeedEvil: nope, no obvious damage03:44
emjaSpeedEvil: but I expect there'd be an impact detector inside03:44
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emjaDocScrutinizer: nope?03:47
DocScrutinizeras long as the LCD survives the drop, it's been not exceeding the specs of what the device should be able to cope with03:47
emjaLCD is perfect03:47
SpeedEvilThey will even replace it if you take it apart, and take pictures.03:47
emjayou're shitting me! crickey03:47
DocScrutinizerIIRC it's specified for 80cm drop test03:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: shutup!!03:48
DocScrutinizeremja: a normal 'harmless' drop isn't anything the device should respond to by losing its eMMC03:49
DocScrutinizerso clearly a case covered by warranty03:49
emjaDocScrutinizer: ok, I can hope. many thanks03:49
emjaSpeedEvil: thx03:50
SpeedEvilGood luck.03:50
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: btw they did nor replace, they just fixed the main flat connector03:51
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DocScrutinizerand that one evidently isn't related to disassembling the lower half03:52
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DocScrutinizerand they borked the powerswitch while doing so :-P03:52
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: ah03:52
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: that's the board-flex connector?03:53
SpeedEvilis there also another connector on the LCD side of the flex?03:53
DocScrutinizernot afaik03:53
SpeedEvilI suppose the LCD is a cheapish part to replace03:53
DocScrutinizeras mentioend above I never had a look on that part03:53
SpeedEvilMuch cheaper than the board anyway03:54
DocScrutinizerthey just had to replace the flec-PCB, holding the frontcam, the earpiece, the prox sensor, indicator LED, ...  I know the LCD is a separate component that had no need to replace03:55
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riptidehi, a quick question guys - i read somewhere that maemo is being discontinued bynokia04:23
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lastnodesorry, alrady had a shell in here04:24
lastnodei read that maemo is being dced by nokia04:24
lastnodeim just thinking of getting a n90004:24
DocScrutinizerripmaemo can not be 'discontinued'04:24
lastnodesorry DocScrutinizer04:24
lastnodei mean is nokia going to stop using it?04:25
lastnodemy choice is apple (closed gayness), andorid (google :() and nokia (maemo)04:25
lastnodemy current phone is an e71, i love it04:25
lastnodealways liked nokia products04:25
DocScrutinizernokia will use the successor meego in future devices04:25
lastnodewhy the name change?04:25
DocScrutinizermeego is compatible to maemo04:25
DocScrutinizername changed because meego is a merger of maemo and moblin04:26
lastnodei dont really understand their relationship - could i have a link taht explaisn it?04:26
lastnodestill linux04:26
lastnodestill gpl?04:26
DocScrutinizeryes, even more04:26
lastnode<3 nokia04:26
lastnodeso, should i prolly wait for the next device from nokia04:26
DocScrutinizernah, I wouldn't go that far. but yes, meego isn't that bad04:26
lastnodeor will the n900 ez upgrade to meego?04:26
lastnodealso, is teh n900 open spec, as in at some point if nokia says they wont support it anymore can i just run deb or something  on it/04:27
DocScrutinizerthe n900 will happily live with maemo until it falls to dust04:27
lastnodei mean security updates04:28
lastnodenew kernels04:28
DocScrutinizerlastnode: maemo is sufficiently open spec so it'll never die04:28
lastnodei mean will there be an active dev community around maemo?04:28
DocScrutinizerkernel updates are backported easily04:28
lastnodeit only runs on one device atm right?04:28
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DocScrutinizerand eventually community will backport meego to n90004:29
lastnodewill installing the backport void warranties etc?04:29
tripzero...unless the backport requires you to solder the debug pins back on04:30
DocScrutinizerbut Nokia *might* provide closed source applications for meego devices that can't be backported04:30
* tripzero wouldn't be surprised04:30
lastnodethe iphon4's hd video etc looks attractive04:30
lastnodebut ive always favoured an open platform04:31
lastnodeand i saw that you can run debian packaegs inside a chroot04:31
DocScrutinizerthen n900 is for you04:31
lastnodeand i was like <304:31
lastnodethe shell app for the iphone is 99$04:31
DocScrutinizerdon't worry about meego or nokia04:31
lastnodedo any of you acutally have the n900 atm?04:32
lastnodei was just wondering how zippy isit?04:32
DocScrutinizerprobably 90% of the users here04:32
DocScrutinizerit's just what I need04:32
lastnodei sually like to hava  browser, putty, mail, im open04:32
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lastnodewondering if the proessor/ram can handle that04:32
DocScrutinizercomes out of the box04:33
DocScrutinizerand runs like a charm04:33
lastnodeit's 650$ here in sri lanka04:33
lastnodei might try and trade in my e7104:33
lastnodeive been comparing on gsmarena04:34
lastnodethe n900 seems to have less battery life htan the e7104:35
lastnodewhat is your experience with that DocScrutinizer04:35
emjan900 battery seems reasonable to me04:35
lastnode(btw ive read a ton of reviews, watched a ton of youtube vides, not just riding off you guys here)04:35
emjaI got close to 36hrs with wifi, gps, bluetooth all running04:35
lastnodehow does the touch screen compare to the iphone's touch screen?04:35
emjaI can't compare, I haven't used the iphone04:36
emjabut it seems ok. occasionally I had problems but I assumed it my lack of accuracy04:36
emjavery 'swish'04:36
emjaiphone might be 'shiney', but n900 is very customisable. more a computer than a phone04:37
emjabut then I've only got 72hrs experience with it.04:37
lastnodeicve been watching it for a year04:37
emjadropped it. busted it.04:38
* emja sobs04:38
lastnodeoh noes04:38
emjamy fault04:38
emjapretty solid thump. hardly surprising04:38
lastnodeno warranty for accidental damage?04:38
emjascreen didn't fail though04:38
emjalastnode: no real physical evidence of drop04:39
SpeedEvilIt is designed as a phone.04:39
SpeedEvilYou are supposed to not be required to carry it around in bubblewrap all teh time.04:39
emjaSpeedEvil: sure, but the rest of the capabilities outshine the phone04:39
emjaheh, true04:40
lastnodethe email client,d oes it require you to sign upo for nokia messsaging?04:40
emjaregardless of the fault with mine, I've not seen a more solid phone for more than a decade04:40
emjait's not a flimsly plastic PoS04:40
mavhcif there's no evidence you dropped it, why not claim it just stopped working?04:46
pytherlastnode: no04:49
pytherwell I'm using my own imap server with it04:49
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lastnodethanks pyther04:50
lastnodemessaging for the e71 requires you to make a account04:50
lastnodewhen maemo is no longer supproted, will ota updates still work?04:51
lastnodeautomagic updates i maen04:51
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DocScrutinizeryes, with community driven repositories they will. But maemo isn't 'unsupported' yet05:02
DocScrutinizerfor mail - you can configure whatever pop3 or imap account you like05:03
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lastnodeDocScrutinizer: nokia will likely contonue to support it for the product lifetime then?05:07
SpeedEvillastnode: that seems to be the way it's going, yes.05:09
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lastnodeis there anyw ay to run android apps on maemo?05:11
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SpeedEvillastnode: A number of people have reportedly had it working.05:13
emjapresumably in a chroot?05:13
SpeedEvilHowever - they have not revealed how they did it, or shared wource05:13
lastnodemy last worry would be mameo apps05:13
lastnodewill meego apps be backportable to maemo?05:13
lastnodei just dont want to buy a phone which ppl wont be writing apps for05:13
lastnodeif you get what i mean05:13
microlithSpeedEvil: are you referring to the Android -port- or some project that runs the android apps on Mameo?05:13
SpeedEvilWith Qt apps, the idea is that you can write once, and have it run on symbian, meego, and maemo05:14
SpeedEvilAt least as I understand it.05:14
SpeedEvilmicrolith: err - the former - oops05:14
lastnodeemja: you said you purchaed the n900 recently - where from? (which country) and how much? if you dont mind me asking05:16
emjalastnode: Australia05:18
emjalastnode: I got it on a plan. An outright purchase would have been $809, I got it at ~$670 on the plan05:18
emjaof course the plan price is bogus. they can make up any number they want05:19
emjaand Aust prices are usually *much* higher than elsewhere. Prices are inflated here05:19
lastnodeyeah asme here emja05:20
lastnode(sri lanka)05:20
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timeless_mbplastnode: you won't see an official MeeGo phone tomorrow (Jun 28)05:28
timeless_mbpor even the next day (Jun 29)05:28
lastnodehaha ok05:28
lastnoderough timeline?05:28
timeless_mbpnokia doesn't announce those until it announces the phones05:29
timeless_mbpyou can look at past history to make a perhaps educated guess05:29
timeless_mbphowever management likes to take pride in surprising customers by being unpredictable05:29
timeless_mbpnokia tends to announce products at a limited set of events05:30
timeless_mbpyou can generally assume a product won't magically appear *before* one of those events05:31
* timeless_mbp has no idea when those events are but is sure google would tell)05:31
lastnodethanks timeless_mbp05:32
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timeless_mbpi think you should probably figure out which sort of apps you expect to purchase05:33
timeless_mbpthere's already a fairly good commercial maps app for the n90005:33
timeless_mbpand it's 60EUR or so05:33
lastnodemostly im/irc/browsing05:34
lastnodenot maps05:34
timeless_mbpwell, if you don't expect to need to buy any specific apps, then i'm not sure why you're worrying :)05:35
pytherlastnode: that stuff should all be included05:35
timeless_mbpwell, irc you can get today05:35
timeless_mbpfrom maemo-extras05:35
SpeedEvilThere is xchat, as well as pidgin, and ircii05:36
timeless_mbpthe others are part phone05:36
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SpeedEviland the irc-conversations plugin05:36
pythertweaker and alarmed are two great apps to look at if you want multiple profiles and to have different profiles set at specific times05:37
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tristanssh+irssi works nice.05:38
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DocScrutinizerraster: moo05:43
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lastnodeyeah ill prolly ssh into this box and use irssi05:46
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rasterDocScrutinizer: docz!05:53
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DocScrutinizerraster: how's linux?05:54
DocScrutinizerraster: drooling over your amoleds? :-)05:54
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povbotBug 10781: Official Bluetooth Keyboard Support06:23
Macerseriously ? :)06:23
Maceri don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel"06:24
Macerno wait...06:24
Maceri don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel in maemo 5"06:24
ptltristan: did you manage to get an irssi build with perl support?06:27
tristani immediately forgot after i said it.06:27
tristani cant imagine it being an issue, though.06:27
rasterDocScrutinizer: actually just busy with lots of real life crap06:27
tristani just started ssh'ing to my other session:p06:27
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SpeedEvilSubmit a bug against the correct component, with an enhancement request Macer.06:31
SpeedEvilThat way it can be properly considered, and marked invalid much more efficiently.06:31
arachnistSpeedEvil: what would be the correct component for that bug?06:34
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SpeedEviloh - true06:43
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ebzzryHi! I'm curious, is 'patch' available for Fremantle?07:01
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arachnistebzzry: diffutils-gnu should contain it, i think07:05
ebzzryarachnist: let me check07:06
ebzzryarachnist: it doesn't07:06
ptlii  patch                                              2.5.9-2                                            Apply a diff file to an original07:11
ptlit has its own package.07:12
ebzzryptl: I tried searching in -devel and -testing but I still can't find it07:12
ebzzryptl: What repo are you using for that?07:12
ebzzryptl: Anyway, I'm using jebba's freemoe repo for now07:13
ptl[user@n900 user]% grep 'Package: patch' /var/lib/apt/lists/*07:13
ptlgrep: /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: Permission denied07:13
ptl/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patch07:13
ptl/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patchutils07:13
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nexcellhello, is there a way to change the color schema of the xterm in fremantle?07:53
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nexcellok found it07:54
ptlI got it to work, a daemon in python that reads the SMS aloud :D07:54
ptlnexcell: how??07:55
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ptlnexcell: did you manage to fix the 'grey' that appears as 'black' bug?07:55
nexcellptl uh?07:56
nexcelli don't know this bug...07:56
ptlnexcell, there is such a bug... there is one color in the color scheme of the N900 that appears incorrectly. Anyway, what did you find?07:56
nexcellanyway, in the change font option of the terminal there are 2 color pickers, one of them is for the font, the other is for the bg07:57
ptloh... this07:57
ptlI thought you were talking about the whole color scheme of xterm indeed07:58
nexcellptl just need a terminal whit black bg and light gray fonts07:58
ptlYep, I also use it that way. Don't forget to set "background=dark" in your ~/.vimrc !07:59
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nexcelldone, thanks for the suggestion08:02
* magic_silver_box slaps nexcell around a bit with a large trout08:03
nexcelllow battery... and breackfast time, bye all08:03
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solrizedoes anyone know if it's possible to use several bluetooth headsets with the same phone simultaneously?  i.e. if several people in the same room want to be on the same phone call without having to use a *&#^*#&$ speakerphone08:45
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fluxI doubt that is currently possible. sounds feasible though if someone were to implement it, though :)09:22
DocScrutinizerI doubt that's possible, as BT has no protocol for that. I means, the audio is a twoway, so who's going to do the mixing for microphone? (let alone there's probably also ACKs etc for the outbound audio, pushbutton events to receive and dunno what) - won't work09:29
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ...09:29
luke-jrjust connect them all to indepedent Asterisk or FreeSWITCH channels and throw them in a conference09:29
DocScrutinizermhm. Never heard of BT<->*09:30
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: my point is the BT-transceiver in N900 can not do this09:32
luke-jrwhy not?09:32
DocScrutinizeras BT is a point2point by design09:32
luke-jrso have many points09:32
luke-jrno need for it to be p2p09:32
* DocScrutinizer YAWNS09:32
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DocScrutinizersure, connect a hub to hostmode, plug in 4 BT dongles to that hub, and probably you can connect 5 headsets to N900, if you manage to setup the drivers and managing software (PA etc) correctly09:35
DocScrutinizerand each of the dongles wil even find a free channel for his RF09:36
luke-jrN900 can only do a single BT peer at a time?09:36
DocScrutinizerBT is a point2point protocol by design afaik. Said before09:37
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DocScrutinizeryou possibly can *switch* between different far end peers, but you never can concurrently talk to them09:38
luke-jrso it's impossible to have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with a single dongle?09:38
luke-jrI doubt that09:38
DocScrutinizerI'd say that's exactly the point. As long as you move your mouse you'll not be able to type on the kbd09:39
luke-jrthe computer doesn't know when I move the mouse unless it remains connected09:40
luke-jrsame w/ keys pressed09:40
DocScrutinizerI even doubt if it's possible at all to pair to a bt-kbd and mouse same time09:40
luke-jrtherefore, the computer must be connected to both concurrently09:40
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: honestly, if that is true, Bluetooth is worthless crap09:40
luke-jrif each device needs its own dongle, they might as well use arbitrary proprietary protocols09:41
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: please, show me a paper or RFC or sth stating it's possible, then we continue this talk09:41
luke-jrno need to continue it09:41
luke-jrif it's not possible, Bluetooth is worthless09:41
luke-jrnothing more to say09:41
DocScrutinizerBT probably has no collision detection OTA, nor any bandwidth management or arbitration09:42
DocScrutinizeryour mosue will exclusively occupy the channel09:42
DocScrutinizerit might free the channel as soon as it doesn't move, giving opportunity for the kbd to kick in09:43
DocScrutinizerBT != WLAN09:43
luke-jralso, if it were true, you'd see laptops with multiple BT channels builtin09:43
DocScrutinizerbut I'm talking out my ass, no idea honestly09:43
luke-jrAFAIK, BT is a low-power, short-range WLAN with protocols beyond IP09:44
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DocScrutinizerwell, just try it09:45
luke-jrI only have two Bluetooth things total09:46
luke-jrN810 and N90009:46
luke-jrWikipedia's summary says it "can connect several devices"09:46
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luke-jr"A master Bluetooth device can communicate with up to seven devices in a Wireless User Group. This network group of up to eight devices is called a piconet. The devices can switch roles, by agreement, and the slave can become the master at any time."09:47
DocScrutinizermhm, and can it do broadcast?09:48
luke-jr"Simultaneous transmission from the master to multiple other devices is possible via broadcast mode, but not used much."09:48
DocScrutinizercause broadcast is exactly what you need for concurrent headsets09:48
luke-jrnot really09:48
luke-jrtime splicing should work fine09:49
DocScrutinizerI doubt it's implemented for SCP though, and for sure not for A2DP09:49
luke-jrit's all software09:50
DocScrutinizeryes, but in this case it's firmware09:50
luke-jrthe only real difference being Nokia not allowing us to modify it09:51
DocScrutinizerfrom all I learnt it's possible not even Nokia *has* the firmware sources09:51
luke-jrperhaps, but they decided which chip to use ;)09:52
DocScrutinizercheck the datasheet of the BT chip, and you'll be wiser09:52
luke-jranyhow, I need to go to bed09:52
DocScrutinizerme as well09:52
luke-jrand I don't really care about Bluetooth for obvious reasons09:52
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dr34many good free alternative for that mobile maps? specially for biking10:48
dr34mtheres plenty of those geo things :|10:48
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RST38bishello punks10:57
dr34mpff :>10:57
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RST38bismoo, raster11:04
RST38bisraster: doing any projects on maemo or meego btw?11:05
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marcusDo I need some specific settings when using QT Designer for designing to the n900? I guess I'd need to make it 800x480, right?11:16
marcusI can see, when choosing a new form, it has got a groupbox called "Embedded Design" and then "Device", but I can't change the device.11:17
rasterRST38h: nope11:17
magic_silver_boxMAKE IT BIG11:18
rasterRST38h: well other than i made usre evas's gl-es engine works - well minus gl-es driver bugs11:18
raster(in maemo)11:18
rasteri lost my maemosdk11:18
rasteri tried re-installing t and the install scripts fail on ubuntu 10.04 in vmware11:18
rasterso i gave up for now - too much pain11:18
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MohammadAG51raster, read the ubuntu 10.04 troubleshooting notes in11:23
MohammadAG51infobot, maemosdk11:23
infoboti heard maemosdk is
ebzzryHi! What are the key differences between flasher-3.5's '-F' and '-r' switches?11:25
RST38hraster: I have 10.4 with maemosdk+11:25
rasterMohammadAG51: i'm in no hurry. i'm busy enough :)11:25
RST38hraster: it installs without scripts. let me know if you need help.11:25
MohammadAG51screew the + version :P11:26
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MohammadAG51raster, it's only two commands you lazy arse :P11:26
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RST38hsdk+ is order of magnitude saner than the first version11:26
rasterMohammadAG51: i have to boot up vmware and stop debugging something else11:27
MohammadAG51scratchbox is fine for me11:27
MohammadAG51raster, multitask :p11:27
MohammadAG51(sb) till i deleted /scratchbox/* and /dev was binded to it somewhere11:27
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RST38hah shit, internet uplink is down11:30
* RST38h forced to use n900 for internet. With gprs.11:30
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RST38htrouble, trouble...11:31
auenfgprs ftwq11:31
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mc_teois there anyway to stop the browser opening bookmark page at startup11:55
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mc_teoand instead open homepage11:55
mc_teoprobably a about:config change?11:56
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RST38hAhhaha! It is back!12:00
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DrGrovI wonder what is making my phone lagging like hell?13:07
valdynDrGrov: reboot once?13:07
DrGrovIt has started to happen more often now this damn lagging13:07
Ikarusopen apps ? possibly leaking memory13:07
DrGrovNo open apps13:07
IkarusDrGrov: widgets are apps too13:07
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valdynDrGrov: it lags after some days uptime13:07
valdynDrGrov: how many might depend on usage..13:08
Ikarusthe Facebook (Failbook) widget is a well known culprit13:08
Ikarusvaldyn: bull13:08
valdynIkarus: no13:08
DrGrovBut it started to lag today after the phone was off last night and I turned it on today13:08
Ikarusvaldyn: my N900 has been on for 3 weeks now13:08
valdynIkarus: i said "depend on usage"13:08
Ikarusvaldyn: no, there is NOTHING inherit in the N900 that will cause it to lag after days of uptime13:08
Ikarusit's just that some widgets and other third party apps are broken and leak memory13:09
valdynIkarus: how would you know that?13:09
DrGrovSo I wonder could it be that fucking Conversations Inbox Widget that is lagging my system down to the point that it leaves a trace of the closed app on the desktop even?13:09
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Ikarusvaldyn: because I am monitoring if anything is increasing memory usage13:09
valdynIkarus: its not a secret that linux kernel has memory fragmenting issues at that version13:09
IkarusDrGrov: widgets are actual running apps13:09
DrGrovIkarus: ah so it is that widget that is fucking up my phone.13:09
IkarusDrGrov: quite possibly13:09
DrGrovtime to remove it and reboot13:09
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DrGrovthat is the last fucking time I install any widgets13:10
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IkarusDrGrov: most aren't problematic, but some just....13:10
DrGrovok, i will remove it now to see what happens.13:11
Ikarusmost commonly reported is battery drain due to the Facebook one13:11
DrGrovperhaps it should become more stable directly after removing the widget?13:11
IkarusDrGrov: in theory it should13:11
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valdynIkarus: but indeed i cannot see memory leaking either13:12
DrGrovIkarus: nothing, I need to do a reboot...13:12
IkarusDrGrov: btw, note that those little widgets in the menu you can also set online status in, wifi connection, etc, are also backed by running apps13:13
DrGrovIkarus: now the phone is working like it should13:15
alteregoSo tired13:15
DrGroveasy to remove the Conversations Inbox and replace it with Conversations13:15
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TomaszDseems like a homeless man living in garbage made android 2.2 work on the n900!13:27
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JaffaMorning, all13:35
arachnistTomaszD: now all we need is to get phonet and powervr working13:35
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dreginCan someone tell me how to disable flashblock in the n900's browser?13:49
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dreginThere's no sign of it in the extension settins :\13:49
alteregodregin: uninstall it? :P13:49
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DrGrovTomaszD: Are you sure that the guy is homeless?13:52
alteregoHrm, I was going to write a Twitter Telepathy plugin, but I've just realised I don't use Twitter at all ...13:53
alteregoI don't even have an account ..13:53
DrGrovI wonder how tell a guy living as homeless is even thinking about buying a N900....13:54
DrGrovWhy not put the money on finding an apartment etc.??13:54
FredrIQlol, people are really desperate to get a working ninty 64 emu. :P13:55
FredrIQwell, i would not complain if i got one but it's not like i "must have" it as seen from some from tmo13:55
DrGrovI am pretty sure that that guy is homeless13:57
DrGrovAll the videos have the exact same background13:57
FauxFauxHe explains in the first comment. :p13:57
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SpeedEvilDrGrov: Getting != buying. :)13:58
ech0Asussup all13:58
RST38hAnd he ripped that N900 off the first geek he could find at the street13:58
SpeedEvilech0Asus: Nothing much - PR1.4 just got released, and it's based on windows 95.13:59
DrGrovFauxFaux: Explains that he is homeless?13:59
ech0Asuswhat win95 based lol yea right13:59
ech0Asusgui look like it or somethin?13:59
DrGrovI can't see that comment13:59
nidODrGrov: explains that what you see is one of these wierd and secretive things called a "bin"13:59
FredrIQwin95 based...14:00
DrGrovNow I see the comment14:00
DrGrovThis guy has to be either a genius or completely insane14:00
FredrIQand what will PR1.5 give, PS3 fullspeed? ;)14:00
ech0Asusso whats meago lookin' like for the n900?14:01
nidOfind out in 3 days14:01
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RST38hFredrIQ: It will give you working Media Player applet14:02
RST38hIf we are lucky14:02
ech0Asusthe moblin gui is nice14:02
ech0Asusdidn't they merge with meego or somethin?14:03
RST38hThey called "Moblin" "Meego".14:04
FredrIQmoblin base, maemo UI14:04
RST38hQt UI14:04
RST38hThere will not be "Maemo UI"14:05
ech0Asusinteresting so a new UI?14:05
* FredrIQ is tired14:05
ech0Asusi'm guessing it will be similar to the design of the moblin interface on the netbook just chopped up and down sized for the n900?14:05
RST38hAh, beautiful! Mozilla has broken its own browser by making "safe execution environment" for Flash.14:06
RST38hAnyone knows how I can disable this misfeature?14:06
FauxFauxHopefully you can't.14:06
RST38hHopefully, I can, until they fix it14:06
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FauxFauxFix it by releasing 3.6.6?14:07
* RST38h does not care how Mozilla fixes its products14:07
ech0Asustry chrome or opera :)14:08
RST38hThank you.14:08
ech0Asusi really like chromium..14:08
ech0Asusi don't even use firefox except for on my desktop now14:09
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RST38hfreaking plugin-container...14:09
ech0Asusmicrob is great for the n900 tried the firefox on it.. it sux..14:09
RST38hWhat if I delete it?14:09
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RST38hHey VDVsx, a newly appointed Nokia henchman =)14:09
VDVsxhey RST38h , lol, not yet :P14:11
* RST38h killed the evil plugin-container dead14:12
RST38hThings back to normal: GMail fully works and the computer does not lock up when playing flash14:13
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DrGrovMoblin is looking really really freaking beautiful!14:15
DrGrovI am perhaps in love with Moblin14:15
RST38hWhen'll you propose then?14:16
ech0Asusyeah moblin is nice even ubuntu is tryin to swagga jack them with some moblin remix of karmic14:16
DrGrovRST38h: i am not sure yet, i need a big fat wedding ring first14:16
RST38hDrill a hole through you N900? =)14:17
DrGrovI do hope the N900 will get Moblin as well14:17
ech0Asusit will get meego14:17
RST38hMoblin == Meego for all practicalpurposes14:17
ech0Asusyeah will have a dif ui right?14:17
DrGrovAh, so Moblin and Meego is literally the same thing?14:17
DrGrovMeego was really beautiful as well14:18
ech0Asusi figured similar just chopped up and sized down for the n90014:18
DrGrovIt is nice to finally have a device that can evolve during time and not be a regular device with limited possibilities14:18
DrGrovI gotta get my fiancee a new phone soon as well14:18
DrGrovShe likes the N97 but still, always better to get a better phone14:18
ech0Asusthe n900 isn't for everyone14:19
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SpeedEvilHas anyone seen app manager ecome confused about free space?14:21
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SpeedEvilIt won't install stuff though /opt is only 95% full14:21
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DrGrovI think she will be happy with the N97 and get perhaps a high-end Nokia later. Perhaps not the N900 but something similar, most definitely touch screen.14:22
SpeedEvilah - right14:22
SpeedEvil95% limit14:22
SpeedEvilnot insane14:22
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DrGrovI am feeling really confident that Nokia will gain much needed market shares when N900 becomes even bigger and better and faster14:22
nidOit wont14:23
DrGrovech0Asus: yes, you are absolutely right. the N900 is not the phone for everyone.14:23
DrGrovnidO: it won't? why not?14:23
SpeedEvilI want a 6GHz 35" n90014:23
RST38hDrGrov: Ah you are so obviously incorrect!14:23
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I would prefer my desktop computer specs on the N90014:23
DrGrovRST38h: incorrect? ah of course, perhaps just I STFU then14:24
RST38hDrgrov: Nokia has missed its chance to world domination when it has not bought Palm!14:24
DrGrovRST38h: perhaps, perhaps not. time will tell what happens.14:24
nidOthe N900 isnt going to explode into popularity, the device is 8 months old, it's old hat. the vast majority of people that will ever have them already have them, and it's likely to (at best) just get a mostly-functioning port of meego14:24
RST38hImagine that: A bigger, better, faster N900 running wonderful PalmOS!14:24
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RST38hPalmOS == Confidence!14:24
DrGrovnidO: no, I do not mean popularity necessarily. I mean the the current owners of the N900 will finally feel good about a Nokia phone.14:25
RST38h(and of course I mean the original PalmOS)14:25
nidOanyone that's not happy with the n900 as it is now isnt going to get any happier14:25
RST38hnid0: mushrooms.14:25
nidOquite the opposite in fact, when meego turns out to look amazing and fantabulous and all the things maemo isnt, theyll get even more pissed off that there'll be no official nokia release of it for the n900.14:26
IkarusnidO: not really14:26
RST38hWell there is still hope DELL will buy Nokia and use its expertise to build phones with PalmOS14:26
IkarusnidO: most people realised it was an experimental phone14:26
nidOno, they really dont.14:26
TomaszDDrGrov, I don't know, doesn't it look like a total dumpster to you in the videos? and the dirty fingernails?14:26
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nidOthose of us with an ounce of intelligence do, but that doesnt describe the majority of the userbase.14:27
DrGrovTomaszD: yes, I figured that out after watching a few more of his videos14:27
SpeedEvilIs there a way to get apt-* to tell me if a package is installed?14:27
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RST38hdpkg -l14:28
RST38hnid0: Those of us with intelligence know that the phone is not smart unless it is running PalmOS14:28
RST38hBesides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display.14:29
DrGrovHow is LG phones working out these days?14:33
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ham5hello everyone!14:37
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MohammadAG51<RST38h> [13:29:09] Besides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display.14:38
MohammadAG51why's that?14:38
VDVsxRST38h, PalmOS is very slow :P14:38
ham5the device lock... where I can I change the times for the auto lock? 1 hour is to short for me14:38
VDVsxRST38h, the pre takes several minutes to boot14:38
MohammadAG51hildon-desktop can scale to higher resolutions14:38
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ham5can I do that; change the auto lock times?14:41
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RST38hMohammadAG: Consider it a homework.14:43
lcukham5, settings/display backlight timeout14:43
RST38hVDVsx: Just means you need multiple overclocked cores to boot PalmOS fast14:44
RST38hVDVsx: And of course use the original, good PalmOS14:44
MohammadAG51RST38h, heh, check youtube, hd already runs on a laptop14:44
* lcuk yawns and clicks kettle on14:44
lcukmorning #maemo \o14:44
RST38hmourning lcuk14:44
* MohammadAG51 leaks an episode of Dr. Who for lcuk 14:45
VDVsxMohammadAG51, I've tried hd in some lenove touchscreen laptop, works very well14:45
lcukMohammadAG51, end of series - i have to wait till christmas now!14:45
VDVsxthink there a video of the same laptop on youtube :P14:45
MohammadAG51lcuk, that's what they want you to think14:45
RST38hwhich remidns me14:45
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MohammadAG51VDVsx, lol14:46
lcuksand still in random places \@/14:46
ham5I want more then an hour tho14:47
ham5and thats the max it goes up too14:47
ham5surly there is something in /etc14:48
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ham5for the device lock14:48
lcukham5, yeah i remember an extension package on n810 that did that14:50
lcukit added extra items to the combo14:50
MohammadAG51kinda defeats the purpose of auto lock though :P14:50
* lcuk cannot remember how or what it was tho, i aint had enough coffee yet14:50
lcukMohammadAG51, not really14:50
MohammadAG51my device doesn't idle for 30 minutes..14:51
ham5extension package :\  sounds like what I need to... n900 tho :)14:51
MohammadAG51what's the settings app called?14:52
ham5never thought about that even being an app14:53
* SpeedEvil worked out how to free space.14:53
MohammadAG51<DJ_Steve> WE HAVE FLASH 10.1 I REPEAT FLASH 10.114:54
SpeedEvilA script to find packages installed that have exceeded the QA threshold in extras-testing, or I have voted on.14:54
SpeedEvilthis fails on stuff that's moved off the queue page I guess.14:54
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alteregoanyone one fancy testing my new version? It's in testing, had loads of issues with 0.3 but 0.4 I've been using for a day and it's been pretty good :)
alteregowoah, don't click that!14:57
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SpeedEvilIt's OK - go ahead and click - then you just need to click the 'thumbs down' button after, and it's good.14:58
alteregothass the link :)14:58
ham5battery must only last u 2 hours im'ing and listing to music15:02
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lcukapt-get install 20cigs15:04
MohammadAG51apt-get --purge autoremove lcuk15:06
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SpeedEvilThe GPRS data counter does not update for tethering.15:06
lcukMohammadAG51, !15:06
MohammadAG51lcuk, what, i ran it as user15:07
SpeedEvilI understand this would be tricky to do, but it's annoying.15:07
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lcukgahhhh AV scan is still running on windows machine15:10
lcukit started at 4am (now 1pm)15:10
jogasystem log shows multiple red disk failures? ;)15:11
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lcuknahh joga just immense thing and im not normally up this early to notice it still takes this long ;)15:13
Jaffalcuk: Did you still want to see the original mail to Nokia?15:15
MohammadAG51lcuk, he asked aout autolock (with code), not autodim15:15
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lcukjaffa we should shouldnt we?15:16
lcuknice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years15:17
* lcuk has never paid attention to what AV scan finds15:17
lcukMohammadAG51, but if the screen stays on the autolock does not happen15:18
Jaffalcuk: Didn't want to over-complicate the post, since it's not a tit-for-tat email exchange being published; it's an official statement for publication included as part of an email exchange.15:18
lcuksure i know in context to this post, i was just curious when i see only one side of a posting15:19
lcukleave it for now, but it would be something to consider in other communication perhaps?15:20
FIQ<lcuk> nice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years15:20
FIQlol :p15:20
lcukfiq i guess it finds them every week15:21
lcukhopefully it doesnt try to extract them from my data15:21
FIQheh*15:21 :P15:21
FIQTracking cookies! How dangerous!15:21
lcukyeah i should add a rolleyes widget15:22
FIQRemove immediatly or it will destroy your... private surfing at that page?15:22
lcukoh, i have one :D15:22
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lcukbook reader works nicely now i added some keys for autoscrolling and paging up/dow15:23
* lcuk read himself to sleep last night15:23
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* lcuk will put front cover and select on it15:23
SpeedEvillcuk: Live rotation.15:26
lcukSpeedEvil, of what?15:26
* lcuk knows all about live rotation15:26
SpeedEvillcuk: Rotate the text according to the accel - with reflow - at 30fps.15:26
lcukbut cant do it from everything just yet15:26
lcukSpeedEvil, line clipping screws with your eyes15:26
lcukas the line length changes it will destroy you15:27
lcukand reflowing a 15000line document is not trivial15:27
SpeedEvilBah - boring insistance on text being at 90 degrees!15:27
lcuk(it takes ~0.1 second)15:27
lcukSpeedEvil, you saw beyond portrait video?15:27
lcukthat is feasible technically - rotating the cells in a grid - and continuing scrolling15:28
lcuki even have an algorithm in mind for listing them and continuing without skipping a beat15:28
lcukbut expanding that to work with images and text was a little more difficult15:30
lcuki couldnt get motivated to make a proper rotozoom15:30
lcuki do now have an optimised bitmap rotator for 90degrees tho :)15:30
lcukso i can just do liqbasey stuff in portrait :)15:31
lcukJaffa, seen doctor who?15:32
Jaffalcuk: Yup :)15:34
lcuko_O indeed :D15:34
lcukthe sheer dramatic opera of last weeks was most outstanding :D15:35
* Jaffa nods15:42
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th3hatewhere should i put the apk file to install in on nitdroid?15:55
th3hatewho talked to you :P15:55
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TomaszDholy crap16:08
TomaszDsomeone matched the total donations for decoders support16:08
s1gk1llhello folks16:09
s1gk1llim having some "problems" with the usb connection on my N90016:09
s1gk1llhope you can help me16:09
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s1gk1llwhen i connect the cable to N90016:09
s1gk1lland choose Mass Storage mode16:10
s1gk1lleverything works nice16:10
s1gk1lli mount the partition on my Linux Box16:10
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s1gk1lleverythink work as suposed16:10
s1gk1llbut when i want to stop16:10
s1gk1llmass storage mode16:11
s1gk1llthe icon on status bar menu16:11
s1gk1lldoesnt allow me16:11
s1gk1llso, the only i have to get out16:11
s1gk1llof Mass Storage mode16:11
s1gk1llis to unplug de cable16:11
s1gk1llany one of you have de same problem?16:12
s1gk1ll*the same16:12
lcuks1gk1ll, isnt that normal?16:12
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TomaszDs1gk1ll, you unmount the n900 from your linux box, not from the n90016:12
lcuki never knew of a way to disable it any other way16:13
TomaszDthis is normal16:13
s1gk1llwell, some of my friends16:13
TomaszDyou can only mount it from the n900 if you have chosen to use chargin only16:13
s1gk1llcan change de mode to charging only16:13
s1gk1llwithout unpluging the cable16:13
TomaszDno, they can only do it the other way around16:13
TomaszDand they unmount the n900 from the pc16:14
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s1gk1lli do unmount the partition16:14
s1gk1llbut the N900 continues in Mass Storage16:14
s1gk1llsome people told me that it is possible to change to Charging Only Mode by clicking on the USB icon16:15
s1gk1llavailable on Status Bar menu...16:15
TomaszDit's not even a button, so no, you can't do that.16:15
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s1gk1llits not a button in the status bar16:16
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s1gk1llbut if you enter in the status bar menu16:16
s1gk1llits a button there related to USB16:16
TomaszDonce you're in mass storage it seizes to be a button, it only shows the status, look closer16:16
s1gk1llyes, thats the problem16:17
s1gk1llwhen you are in charging only mode16:17
lcuks1gk1ll, how do your friends do it?16:17
* lcuk just unplugs and replugs cable16:17
s1gk1llmy friends click on the icon inside de status bar menu16:18
s1gk1lland change the mode16:18
s1gk1llto charging only16:18
TomaszDI don't know, I'm getting a feeling you got trolled and in turn we are getting trolled now s1gk1ll16:18
s1gk1llwithout unplugging16:18
s1gk1llok thn TomaszD16:18
s1gk1ll*ok then16:18
lcuks1gk1ll, they are using n900s?16:18
lcukor are we talking some other device16:18
s1gk1lllol, of course16:18
s1gk1llok, nevermind16:19
s1gk1lljust checking if it was only my "problem"16:19
TomaszDfrom what I can tell, this is by design, and if you want to disable mass storage you have to re-plug the cable16:19
s1gk1llok ok16:19
lcukit could probably be hacked together (and might actually exist somewhere16:19
s1gk1llthats what i've been doing16:19
s1gk1llbut thats kinda stupid16:19
TomaszDI'm guessing this is because they want you to be responsible for flushing any incoming data onto the device before disabling mass storage, so that you don't end up with corrupt data16:20
s1gk1llhmm, i see16:20
s1gk1llok tks ;)16:21
TomaszD(somehow I don't think you got what I just said ;) )16:24
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s1gk1lltalking to me TomaszD ?16:27
s1gk1llwhat you mean?16:27
TomaszDabout how problematic it would potentially be to be able to disable mass storage from the device16:27
TomaszDI never really thought about it too16:28
s1gk1llyes, understood it16:28
s1gk1llanyway usb is not my main transfer mode16:29
s1gk1lli use scp16:29
s1gk1llits slower i know16:29
TomaszDI only hook it up via usb to pull my gpx tracks off of it, not much more16:30
TomaszDI guess I could use ssh too16:30
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TomaszDalright, let's test this media im status updater, looks intriguing16:31
lcukthe only IM i use is irc16:32
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TomaszDI idle at jabber, gtalk, skype and ovi16:32
TomaszDalthough I've no ide why ovi16:32
TomaszDah, this new thing with PR1.2 made me create an IM account when logging into the ovi store16:33
JaffaWoohoo, next version of Hermes is going to get ability to pull down phone numbers, addresses and birthdays from LinkedIn (; and also create new contacts as well (
povbotBug 10801: Pull down address, phone numbers and Twitter details from LinkedIn16:37
povbotBug 10802: Allow creation of new contacts from LinkedIn16:37
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GAN900When does Apple have to comply with MicroUSB charging?16:39
JaffaGAN900: I think the EU thing was voluntary (BICBW). iPhone 4 should comply if they're going to16:39
JaffaGAN900: Apparently Apple signed up to that voluntariness:
tybolltalthough as implemented on N900 the microusb connector is fairly fucked up and I really really regret they standardized on something that poor.16:41
tybolltANYTHING else would've been better16:41
moo---tybollt: what's the issue with micro-usb?16:42
moo---I see it progress over mini-usb :)16:42
lcuki just want inductive charging mats16:42
Jaffamoo---: Apart from it being hard to insert, and prone to breakage (on the N900)?16:42
moo---and I want nuclear batteries16:42
moo---last 20 years16:43
lcukmoo---, thats reasonable enough16:43
RST38hwhile we are at it, can I have a doomsday weapon? or two?16:43
Corsacin 201216:43
moo---Jaffa: you can replace the connector when it wears out... unlike with mini-usb where you would have to replace the port >__>16:43
lcukputting a nuclear powered cellphone in your pants pocket isnt doomsday?16:43
moo---lcuk: I don't want to have kids anyway16:44
moo---the world is overpopulated16:44
moo---solve two problems once16:44
Corsacwell, with a nuclear device, you would still have kids16:44
tybolltmoo---: You mean otehr than having to dedicate about two minutes of your time and endless fiddling to get the fucker seated?16:44
Corsacjust not sure wether they'll be human16:44
RST38hlcuk: Naah16:44
RST38hlcuk: Just a minor contamination threat16:44
* lcuk has been pushing and popping usb in and out of multiple devices for ages without even a hint of a problem16:44
moo---tybollt: it needs some skill to do it in dark... but it is not harder than putting on contact lenses!16:45
* Jaffa does like the fact that his work Blackberry and N900 share a charger; just wish it was easier to get the damned thing in16:45
tybolltgod damn16:45
FIQthis mynokia thing16:45
RST38hJaffa: I see you have received the official "fuck off" about that MyNokia SMS16:45
* moo--- gives tubollt a chill pill16:45
FIQcan i get rid of it? : <16:45
lcukjaffa someone mentioned theres a little clip on the back of the plug that can be filed down a little to make insertion easier16:45
RST38hJaffa: Now would be a good time to petition Nokia about 2.5" (or better 3.5") power socket in the upcoming Meego devices =)16:46
FIQclicking "MyNokia" seems to just re-register it16:46
tybolltJaffa: You just summed up my very point. Thank you :)16:46
JaffaFIQ: You can unsubscribe (and there's no feedback if you're currently subscribed or not) or - if you've not upgraded to PR1.2 yet - you can use gcobb's "notmynokia" to prevent you having the choice of "Yes, I'd like to subscribe at this time" and "Yes, I'd very much like to subscribe at this time"16:47
FIQand this unsubscribe is done.. how?16:48
FIQi have PR1.216:48
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jacekowskiwell, on mine subscription just failed16:49
jacekowskiFIQ: it's in settings16:50
FIQlucky you are16:50
FIQah, there16:50
SwedeMikeI wish nokia would enable the possibility of plugging in the charger and swapping batteries while the device is still on.16:50
jacekowskibattery is required to smooth out the voltage16:51
FIQshould it come a SMS if the unsubscription succeed?16:51
jacekowskiand i don't think charger is powerfull enough to take full load that phone can make16:51
FIQnow it came16:51
jacekowskiso you need battery16:52
jacekowskibut i suppose in idle it would be possible to do it like that16:52
FIQlibsdl_ttf in repositories has broken dependicies btw16:53
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SwedeMikejacekowski: I don't care if it's severely frequency throttled during that time, I'd still like to do it16:55
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jacekowskiSwedeMike: thing is that phone load isn't constant16:57
jacekowskiSwedeMike: and charger will have problem taking it16:57
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SpeedEvilCharger cannot provide enough power when the cellmo is active.16:57
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SpeedEvilI have yet to come up with an explanation why it can not power when cellmo is inactive16:58
SwedeMikewell, I don't care if I have to put it in offline-mode first and then it'll survive it.16:58
SwedeMikeas long as I don't have to reboot.16:58
SpeedEvilIn principle, it could suspend-disk.16:58
jacekowskisuspend to swap16:59
SpeedEvilWhich would be nice.16:59
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SwedeMikeyeah, that is fine as well.17:00
SpeedEvilHaving said that - suspend-swap is a non-trivial amount of work17:00
SwedeMikeit might be better time spent to make the reboot process less impacting, like make it more intelligent when doing the thumbnaild stuff17:01
SwedeMikebecause that's my major concern when rebooting17:01
SwedeMikeor even make thumbnaild be nicer17:01
jacekowskihmm, besides isn't it bme sutting down the phone17:01
infobotjacekowski meant: hmm, besides isn't it bme shutting down the phone17:02
SpeedEviljacekowski: no17:02
SpeedEvilSwedeMike: hyou can tell thumbnailer and stuff to not do that17:02
SpeedEvilsee ~/.config/tracker/17:02
SwedeMikeSpeedEvil: yes, I know, but I want it to work out of the box, not just solve it for myself.17:03
alteregotest please:
jacekowskii hate people doing that17:03
SpeedEviljacekowski: ?17:04
jacekowskii saw somebody who had time in their status17:04
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jacekowskithat was annoying17:04
* SpeedEvil is now known as SpeedEvil[Farting].17:04
BCMMI <3 IRC17:05
jacekowskithat's quite a long fart17:05
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BCMMperhaps it disable his computer in some fashion, and he will ping out soon17:06
jacekowskibut that's annoying when somebody has status that changes every second17:06
jacekowskisomebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:01/4:00]17:06
jacekowskisomebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:02/4:00]17:06
jacekowskisomebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:03/4:00]17:06
jacekowskisomebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:04/4:00]17:07
jacekowskisomebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:05/4:00]17:07
alteregojacekowski: that's what you get when you aggregate  IM statuses ...17:08
BCMMyou forgot to use a large number of ♫s17:08
sobczykesbox supports newer Eclipse versions than 3.4?17:08
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an0therb0xovi store is not working for my n900 is this happening for others as well.... oh and englands defense is "absolutely criminal"17:22
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jacekowskian0therb0x: ovi store17:22
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jacekowskian0therb0x: just forget about it17:23
an0therb0xjacekowski: how do you mean ?17:23
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an0therb0xwhat is going on with it ?17:23
jacekowskiit's a disaster17:23
jacekowskithere are no apps in there17:23
jacekowskiit's used and developer hostile17:24
jacekowskiit's not working for most of time17:24
an0therb0xjacekowski: i wanted to get the sygic gps app17:24
jacekowskiget it from sygic17:24
MohammadAG51lol lcuk DocScrutinizer, germany 1 - 0 england17:24
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jacekowskinot lol17:24
jacekowskiit's disaster17:25
an0therb0xfinal score will be GER 3 - 1 ENG17:25
TomaszDindefinite articles17:25
jacekowskinope, it will be england 2 germany 117:26
jacekowskiit has to be17:26
MohammadAG51england should go home!17:27
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an0therb0xsygic gps app says free in ovi store but 50 eur at ???17:27
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TomaszDfree trial for 7 days17:27
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an0therb0xTomaszD ... i see that now.. oh well17:28
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LoCusF_2cm from gloves lol17:37
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nasso_am i the only one that cant find out how to search in the app-installera on the n900?17:44
LoCusF_go to a category and start typing the term17:45
nasso_the searchbutton was there but must have been removed in an update. really annoying.17:45
nasso_LoCusF_, oh ok17:46
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nasso_that is really bad usability17:46
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nasso_had no idea i could do that and there is no information about it in the user interface17:47
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pupniktried the ovi voice navigation on the way home - works great! - thanks nokia!18:20
sevardL I E S18:22
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BCMMpupnik: is that free now?18:22
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sevardwhere's the love for the n81018:23
pupnikfree -- and it knew the speed limits too - warned me of speeding18:23
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MohammadAG513-1 xD18:24
MiXu-_pupnik: Which phone?18:24
pupnikE71 :P18:24
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jacekowskipupnik: ovi voice navigation on n900?18:24
MiXu-_I've been pretty happy with it too18:24
JaffaAfter Ovi on the N900, I fail to believe it can be good on *anything*18:25
MiXu-_Although I usually go with N900+Sygic and leave the symbian phone home :)18:25
BCMMpupnik: why are you talking about an E71 app in #maemo?18:25
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MiXu-_It's better than idling18:25
JaffaBCMM: Better than talking about the football :(18:25
Jaffa3-1 now :(18:25
Jaffa4-1 :(18:26
BCMManyway, does the n900 have free voice navigation, ovi or otherwise?18:26
MiXu-_Not that I know of18:26
pupnikpeople here are getting *Way* too happy over this ball+foot thing18:27
JaffaBCMM: Mappero can use festival18:27
lcuklol pupnik18:27
sevardwho's playing?18:27
JaffaThat last goal was ridiculous18:27
GAN900Jaffa, join us in defeat!18:27
nidOBCMM, yes18:27
jacekowskihow bad is it going to get18:27
Jaffasevard: Germany-England18:27
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sevardespn3 is blank18:27
nidOalso, england living up to expectations of having an utterly nonexistant defence as usual18:27
nidOno suprises there really18:28
MohammadAG51hahaha, germany ftw!18:28
JaffaEngland are so desperate, everyone's up front and no-one's defending.18:28
BCMMnidO: do you mean the same package Jaffa mentioned?18:28
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: stfu18:28
MohammadAG51jacekowski, watch it18:28
* GAN900 is just happy the Rays won last night. :P18:28
MohammadAG51what's the world cup channel again?18:28
nidOBCMM, yes, mappero works well18:28
JaffaMohammadAG51: What country?18:28
inzShould've been 2-1 to england after the first half18:28
RST38h"BBC To Create Internet Protocol TV Standard"18:28
* RST38h thinks the Tentacled One should visit BBC corpses and teach 'em reason18:29
nidOyeh, project canvas got the go-ahead18:29
nidOat last18:29
jacekowskiRST38h: what's wrong with iplayer18:29
MohammadAG51Jaffa, i'm from Jerusalem, Israel18:29
Jaffa'bout time18:29
BCMMMohammadAG51: i have no idea, but the other day i was in town and everything was weird there, and when i got back someone on IRC told me that's what the world cup is18:29
RST38hlcuk: just watched the final, it is cool18:29
RST38hjacekowski: too cheap, probably?18:29
lcukRST38h, time traveling again18:29
jacekowskiRST38h: it's working18:29
RST38hjacekowski: it is, but who is gonna pay BBC corpses their salaries?18:30
BCMMa time machine would be awesome18:30
RST38hlcuk: A bit heavy on time travel, yes18:30
BCMMimagine spoiling the world cup...18:30
RST38hBCMM <--- thinks small18:30
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* GAN900 plays remerge AIM contacts.18:31
nidOI reckon it'd be a laugh to win the lottery like 10 times in a row and watch the lottery commission try to figure out how the fuck you're gaming the system18:31
RST38h+ evil aliens manage to watch iPlayer thingie not living in the UK. Bad, bad, tax evaders18:31
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RST38hnid0: Except that when you time-travel, you skew the reality18:31
sevardi wish i could watch the cup for free on my blackberry18:32
sevarddon't be hating, work gave it to me.18:32
RST38hnid0: So, absolutely no guarantee that the lottery will end up the same18:32
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nidOah, I didnt realise you were experienced at time-travel18:32
nidOhow is it?18:32
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RST38hnid0: Well, in version 1.0, you have not been there. In version 2.0 you are.18:33
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RST38hnid0: Once you are there, events are supposed to start branching. And it has nothing to do with experience, just reasoning.18:33
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RST38hThere is of course a "can see / can't change" hypothesis (with more complicated version being "can change, given enough energy to effectively cause all the consequent branching")18:34
RST38hBut according to this hyptothesis, you would not be able to play that lottery =)18:35
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BCMMmappero seems to crash when i do most things18:39
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nidOsuch as? Only way I tend to cause it problems is if i try to pre-download any sizeable amount of map data18:39
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nidOother than that it works fine18:40
nidOfor me at least18:40
derfI agree with BCMM.18:40
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BCMMwell, anything to do with routes18:40
BCMMusing 3.0+beta918:40
DocScrutinizer-8Heard GER should shoot own goal for allowing ENG to be less desparate18:41
nidOhead to the mappero thread with details then I guess, i've never had any problems with routing18:41
nidOtbh, ger could shoot 3 own goals to force extra time18:41
nidOwith england's laughably nonexistant defence they can bang another couple in anytime they want18:42
DocScrutinizer-8now for 3 own goals they have to hurry now18:43
inzI blame the linesman.18:45
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MohammadAG51\o/ germany18:48
ShadowJKthe unapproved goal looks very irrelevant now18:49
w00t_anyone else experimented with cross-compiling valgrind for arm?18:49
* w00t_ is toying with it atm18:49
inzShadow, why?18:49
an0therb0xi called 3 -1 got 4 -1 .. close enough18:51
an0therb0xso ovi store is broken now ?18:51
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* pahartik is annoyed by "MicroB" lacking "load this image" entry in context menu of "img" -element19:18
jacekowskiuse opera19:18
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SpeedEvilOr lynx.19:18
pahartikjacekowski: Will try...19:19
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pahartikSpeedEvil: That I do most of time, but not on Maemo19:20
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pupnik"evolution does not teach.  it destroys" - Nassim taleb19:27
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JaffaGAN900: EtherPad's a lot better than Google Docs (although lacking an update API, AFAICT)19:29
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jacekowskihmm, bme is writing something to cal19:39
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: umm19:48
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ShadowJKjacekowski, interesting19:55
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* timeless_mbp grumbles19:58
jacekowskihow many write cycles can /dev/mtd* take?19:58
* mortini too.19:58
timeless_mbpmy DVR is trying to kill my LCD19:58
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mortinistabby stabby!19:58
timeless_mbpmortini: it's more the shocking shocking kind19:59
timeless_mbpit's trying to electrocute it19:59
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DrGrovAnyone tried to use the Nokia wireless keyboard with the N900?20:00
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DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: definitle a finite number. BME writing to cal sounds fundamentally odd20:01
mortinitimeless_mbp: doesn't seemto have the same ring.20:02
timeless_mbpmord:  it gets a buzz :(20:03
DocScrutinizer-8DrGrov: I heard the N900 BT-HID doesn't work with Nokia products20:03
ShadowJKI think the issue is keyboard layouts20:04
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jacekowskiit looks like it's writing to it every startup20:06
jacekowskiand it's writing to block named bme20:06
jacekowski( that was unexpected )20:06
jacekowskiand it's writing BME-PMM-BLOCK0120:06
DocScrutinizer-8and what is it that's written?20:06
jacekowskiblock itself is 0x600 bytes long20:07
jacekowskiso there is more data in it20:07
DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: an you paste  a bin+hexdump?  Does bme also *read* fron cal? what?20:08
jacekowskiwell, it's reading it back just after the write20:09
DocScrutinizer-8jacekowski: btw great work! thanks20:09
jacekowskibme wrapper on cal_init finish and write block is at address .text:0001EA0820:10
jacekowskiand function looks like int __cdecl write_cal(const char *name, const void *data, unsigned __int32 data_len, unsigned __int32 flags)20:10
jacekowskithere is couple more places where it's writing something20:11
* DocScrutinizer-8 wonders about possible purpose of that write20:12
DocScrutinizer-8reporting for waranty purposes?20:13
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jacekowskilet me just dump whole block20:14
DocScrutinizer-8yup. best do it twice and  cmp20:14
DrGrovDocScrutinizer-8: ok, then nothing helps. i wanted to get the keyboard when i connect the phone to my tv.20:14
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DocScrutinizer-8DrGrov: sorry, you lost me20:15
DrGrovDocScrutinizer-8: i wanted to use the Nokia wireless keyboard when I have the N900 connected to my tv.20:15
DocScrutinizer-8DrGrov: can you pair it?20:16
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer-8: i have not bought it yet since i was uncertain whether it works or not.20:21
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DrGrovHow is YouTube working? I just registered myself with my Gmail account. Can I log in with the N900 YouTube app as well?20:22
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_llll_just use the browser20:22
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mmarc__hi, guys20:36
mmarc__I'm studying
mmarc__does it work with Xephyr?20:36
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mmarc__I've got the following error: X Error of failed request:  BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)20:36
mmarc__  Major opcode of failed request:  18 (X_ChangeProperty)20:36
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mmarc__for XChangeProperty(display, window,20:37
mmarc__XInternAtom(display, "_NET_WM_STATE", True),20:37
mmarc__XA_ATOM, 32, PropModeReplace, (unsigned char*)&atom, 1)20:37
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mmarc__why it is not working? The code is exactly taken from wiki page...20:38
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mmarc__In fact, both XChangeProperty won't work20:40
mmarc__That's really strange.20:40
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lcukoh man, if dora the explorer did not sing everywhere, she would be faster than santa20:41
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DocScrutinizererr wut?20:41
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lcukDocScrutinizer, we were just watching dora and she travelled from paris to mount kilimanjaro in <30 seconds20:42
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lcukif she took over santas job, she could get round the world faster than he can20:43
lcukbut she has to sing everywhere she stops20:43
lcukso it wouldnt work out too well20:43
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DocScrutinizerI feel glad about not knowing what you talk about :-P20:44
lcukits ok, me and mrs lcuk said similar :)20:44
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DocScrutinizerseems dora the explora isn't sth I need to know20:45
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DocScrutinizerI guess it's somehow related to Redmond and particularly some evil company there that 'to explore' incl all derivatives somewhat dropped off my active and maybe even passive vocabulary20:47
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mmarc__ok, works on device, so it should be Xephyr problem.20:50
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DrGrovThe right side slider button is the keylock? Same as using the power button -> Lock keys ?20:58
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: So the button does not do anything else except lock the keys and screen?20:58
th3hateanyone knows how to install android apps via adb?20:58
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I did not even recognize the button before I stumbled upon it during some YouTube videos20:58
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I always just used the power button -> Lock keys and screen20:59
SpeedEvilDrGrov: I think it can lock - I assume if does - I don't have my phone setup to lock the screen ever.20:59
SpeedEvilSimply blank it with the slider.20:59
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: Ah, so you use just that slider? So that is the way I should go as well. I feel that the power button system is too time consuming.21:00
DrGrovThe power button was good but took way too much time to do several times per day.21:01
ShadowJKiirc power button doubleclick locks too21:01
DrGrovSo perhaps the power button can be customized to do something else then? Yes, that power button doubleclick would be nice to assign to something else then.21:01
DocScrutinizeredit with tweakr21:01
DocScrutinizeror in mce.ini21:02
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: ah ok, I will download tweakr to see what I can do with it. Thank you21:02
DrGrovI just feel very uncomfortable with that slider lock mechanism21:02
DrGrovBut I will now try to get used to that one. A time saver definitely..21:02
jacekowskiok after looking into it21:03
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jacekowskiit looks like bme has it's own wrapper on cal functions21:03
jacekowskithat's clever enough to read before write21:03
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: can you do something for me?21:05
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: - download that and send me back result21:05
jacekowskiit's just reading bme data from cal21:05
jacekowskiresult will go to stdout21:05
DocScrutinizerpaste me cmdline here, please21:06
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DocScrutinizerto install & run21:06
jacekowski./bme > file21:06
jacekowskiand i think you have to be root to read cal21:06
DocScrutinizerwtf?! wget not found???21:07
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jacekowskiapt-get install wget21:07
DocScrutinizerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:21:08
DocScrutinizer  mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 is to be installed21:08
DocScrutinizerlemme try this on a clean system21:08
* DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG51 with a large slimy trout21:10
jacekowskii'm just wondering if there is going to be any difference21:11
DocScrutinizerFSCK the new search option in HAM!! "ssh" only gives me "SSH Status and Switcher"21:12
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, shouldn't you be at some pub now?21:14
MohammadAG51germany mopped the floor with england21:14
jacekowskiwell, it's shame for poland as well21:15
jacekowski2 polish players scored 2 goals21:15
jacekowskifor enemy21:15
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* RST38h smirks21:19
mmarc__Is there EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT support on maemo? Cannot get configs with this attr set.21:19
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: have you managed to fix it?21:23
pupnik  world cup soccer geometry21:24
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I'm about to wonder where TF I've seen the one-click catalog-enable for extras-testing and extras-devel. Seems to have vanished from wiki21:24
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pupnikthat referee might want to avoid england for a while21:26
jacekowskihe's probably german21:27
DrGrovfucking nice that England is out of the WC21:28
RST38h"It has been years since the United States has had good intelligence on the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin laden, although he is thought to be in Pakistan, CIA director Leon Panetta said on Sunday."21:28
* DrGrov is so happy21:28
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RST38hThe "secret" is out =)21:28
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pupnikRST38h: that has been the official line since Tora Bora21:32
lcukDocScrutinizer, ssh wont show on normal list once you have installed it anyway21:34
lcukotherwise typing ssh will bring it up21:34
mikki-kunwhoah, finally a cool alarm-app... evilalarm :D hopefully it really is what i need ^^21:34
DocScrutinizerlcuk: umm...21:34
RST38hpupnik: No, the official line has been "we will get him any day now" =)21:35
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: no ssh installed ever, still doesn't show up (prolly needs extras-testing/devel repo)21:37
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DocScrutinizerdamn, and now I got Dropbear, but not full SSH21:38
DocScrutinizerAm I wrong or was there a normal fullsize (non Dropbear) ssh server&client metapackage on 1.1.1?21:39
jacekowskiit's still in 1.221:40
jacekowskiat least on my phone21:40
DocScrutinizerexact name?21:40
jacekowskican anybody else run that program and send me the result?21:41
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Jaffajacekowski: Which program?21:42
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DocScrutinizer~nuke HAM-1.221:42
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at HAM-1.2 ... B☢☢M!21:42
DocScrutinizerlcuk: HAM doesn't find OpenSSH on search for 'ssh' >:-(((21:43
lcukcheck your repositories and installed apps :P21:44
DocScrutinizerlcuk: scrolling to OpneSSH in "all" category takes about 5 minutes21:44
DocScrutinizerlcuk: It's there, HAM just doesn't FIND it!!21:44
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: why not search for "openssh"?21:44
RST38hwell openssh does not start with ssh21:45
DocScrutinizerRST38h: because that wouldn't reveal fsck-up-ness of HAM21:45
lcukit comes up on installed apps when i just search for ssh,i will now remove it and check on the list21:45
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mikki-kunwell, i am currently i install mood and am installing like a jerk apps which look interessting21:46
RST38hvery nice to know21:47
mikki-kunwould be cool to see the statics of apps21:47
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DocScrutinizerIf I would care a little bit more, I'd file a bug against HAM-1.2: "REGRESSION: search doesn't find substrings in packet description"21:47
mikki-kunlike "when it was updated, changelog, user comments, downloads"...21:47
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lcukit does - but you are right, theres something odd21:47
DocScrutinizerbrother, successfully installed OpenSSH c&s meta, after as short as 30min21:48
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mikki-kunand also know where the apps actually go when installed...21:48
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mikki-kunat least "installable" in the "status" tells me not much tbh21:49
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lcukDocScrutinizer, search does include descriptions.. the openssh one does not mention ssh :p21:49
DocScrutinizerepic fail21:49
ZogGDocScrutinizer you are fail21:50
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: nevertheless search should find substrings as well21:50
DocScrutinizerZogG: you are offending21:50
Jaffamikki-kun: Almost the apps in will go into /opt (if they're over a particular size). If you want more technical detail, have a look at This includes the Extras-testing QA queue of apps their authors think are ready for sign-off from people willing to test them to get into Extras.21:50
RST38hyou are all fail21:50
ZogGDocScrutinizer don't cry21:50
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: +1 to that21:50
RST38hwe are all fail21:50
* ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer 21:51
Jaffamikki-kun: There's a project to merge the backends, so that can present more information21:51
* ZogG play's with DocScrutinizer's thing21:51
* ZogG is getting really nasty21:51
RST38hhis n900, you mean?21:51
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ZogGJaffa hey, is Quil only one way of cantact with Nokia?21:51
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mikki-kunJaffa: wuhu \o/ that's what i will install asap then :) i know that i can look up the package online and see there more information, but that is sometimes a lil too much for a lazy person to do ^^ well, at least atm i am a lil...21:52
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LuciusMareHello, when I try to uphrade an app, it says "conflicting packages" - when i type "apt-get upgrade" in xterm, it wants to upgrade a pile of apps, including xserver*. Is this correct?21:53
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, =(21:55
mikki-kunLuciusMare: i am not sure, but i think that shouldn't be the case...21:57
mikki-kunare you using repos from other sources than
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: so?21:57
TriztLuciusMare; which app and which version of maemo do you have? pr1.1.1 or?21:57
LuciusMaremikki-kun: i am not aware of it, i will check21:58
LuciusMareTrizt: pr 1.1, but just to make sure, where do I get it?21:58
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: where to?21:58
mikki-kunLuciusMare: settings --> about product21:58
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: do you have the file?21:59
jacekowskihmm, pastebin would mess up line endings21:59
jacekowskiso diff would be hard21:59
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LuciusMareTrizt: it's not exactly said here, version: 3.2010.02-822:00
jacekowskipassword is temp22:00
mikki-kunLuciusMare: that should be pr 1.1.1 from what i know... (am not sure though)22:01
TriztLuciusMare; it's pre 1.2 and the package you try to install depends on that you have pr1.2 installed22:01
mikki-kuni would recommend to install the most up to date firmware being pr 1.222:02
LuciusMareI don't remember I actually upgraded...22:02
mikki-kunit isn't hard, but you need a backup of your contents you don't want to loose22:02
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: this is on a clean new device with 1.2 OTA upgrade22:03
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: hth22:03
jacekowskijacekowski:/tmp# diff bme.dump bme_running22:03
jacekowskiBinary files bme.dump and bme_running differ22:03
LuciusMaremikki-kun: Does it have a lot of bugs? And what content will be rewritten?22:03
jacekowskii've deleted that temp account22:03
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ??22:05
mikki-kunLuciusMare: from what i see it doesn't have bugs (at least i haven't experienced any or saw them as "features" ;) )22:05
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mikki-kunLuciusMare: i can say though, that it isn't a marvelous improvment, it just makes things a lil nicer and faster...22:06
LuciusMaremikki-kun: ah, those bugs! :P okay, thanks22:06
mikki-kunand your whole rootfs will be rewritten22:06
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LuciusMareand, "nicer"? :)22:06
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: there are some differences22:06
LuciusMaremikki-kun: including my /home?22:06
mikki-kunyeah, the camera e.g. got a nightvision mode...22:06
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mikki-kunohh, speaking of with... there is bug with manual iso-setting ^^22:06
jacekowskibesides, output format of that program is a disaster22:07
mikki-kunLuciusMare: i think pr1.2 needs you to reflash your emmc as well22:07
mikki-kunyou can copy your stuff to your microsd and then have it backed up there22:07
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: who cares22:07
LuciusMareI think I'll just stick with my unupgradable pre 1.2 :)22:08
jacekowskithat's mine22:08
LuciusMareWhen should 1.2 be released?22:08
jacekowskithat's diff22:08
mikki-kunLuciusMare: i would go and install it.. you'll get a 'brandnew' phone ;)22:08
jacekowski1st collumn is byte number, 2nd is byte as number and 3rd as char22:09
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jacekowskiso 2nd collumn is important22:09
LuciusMarewith "output of camera program disaster" :P22:09
jacekowski548 252                                                       | 548 2 .22:09
jacekowskino, i'm talking about that program that dumps bme data from cal22:09
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: LuciusMare : NO 1.2 DOE NOT need reflash of eMMC22:10
LuciusMarejacekowski: oh, you were not talking to me... But it looked just as you would :P22:10
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: ok, i just read it somewhere and assumed it was right22:10
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jacekowskiLuciusMare: 1.2 was released month ago22:11
LuciusMareOkay, I will flash it, thank you :)22:12
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mmarc__guys, could you please help to understand: eglChooseConfig return available configs that are equal or better to the specified one. I'm wondering how it comes I specify EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE = EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT for configs to match, but in returned 4 configs noone matches EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT. What's wrong with it?22:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: output of diff surely IS a desaster22:14
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mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: but shouldn't one flash his emmc as well, due to /opt/... i mean, there could be some dead libraries left (not killing your sys, just eating a lil bit of space away)22:14
mmarc__well, one chance when it could happen eglCooseConfig returns something *better* than EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT, correct? Then, what is it?22:16
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jacekowskihmm, it looks like i've found code that's doing all battery calculations22:20
luke-jrcode as in ARM bytecode?22:20
teilzeitstudent_After installing a couple of apps, they apear to miss a few (button) icons; some work, some dont. Is there a way to figure out if thats a bug in the app or some icon caching issue?22:21
jacekowskiwell, as in i know what's calling it what is it doing22:21
jacekowskiand that sort of stuff22:21
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MohammadAG51OMFG, got 71 WPM on my lappy :D22:27
jacekowskiwhat are you using to test that?22:28
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MohammadAG51jacekowski, typingtest.com22:29
MohammadAG51got 58 on my N900 when it worked, it's not working now22:29
MohammadAG51GAN got 6422:29
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: you could rm -rf /opt/* prior to flashing PR1.2 rootfs22:30
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: simple and easy solution... good idea ^^22:31
mikki-kunMohammadAG51: what is WPM? words per minute?22:31
DocScrutinizeranyway SSU doesn't reflash eMMC, so why should flashing 1.2 rootfs need that?22:31
fralsMohammadAG51: what did you do to break it? :p22:31
ZogGMohammadAG51 \o/22:31
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luke-jrMohammadAG51: works for me...22:35
luke-jr15 WPM it claims on N90022:35
luke-jrproof N900 has crappy kb :D22:35
jacekowski53 with zero errors22:35
luke-jrthe double quotes killed me22:35
jacekowskiquotes are annoying on british keyboard as well22:36
SpeedEvilI think I can easily with a bit more practice hit 3522:36
jacekowskibecause " is on shitf +222:36
* luke-jr wonders which keyboard he has22:36
SpeedEvilBut much more than that is a bit tricky.22:36
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: i don't belive in that 7122:36
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luke-jr23 WPM on Aesop22:37
luke-jrhow do I know which N900 keyboard I have?22:38
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luke-jrSym/Ctrl, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, U, I, O, P, [;,], Backspace -- Fn, A, S, D, F, G, H, J, K, L, [:.], Up, Enter -- Shift, Z, X, C, V, B, N, M, Space, Left, Down, Right22:39
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timeless_mbpluke-jr: if you don't have interesting letters, you have the English/Dutch layout22:41
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JaffaZogG: There are numerous people who are contactable within Nokia. qgil is the "community manager" and "open source advocate", so an ideal choice most of the time.22:53
JaffaZogG: But many many Nokians are just as much as part of the community as anyone else.22:53
JaffaZogG: Including many people on this channel.22:53
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alteregotest plox?!?!?
ptlyou mean "test, please"?23:15
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alteregoyes, you, do it :P23:15
ptlOk. I will23:15
alteregoGrrr my eyes are so painful right now.23:16
alteregoand itchy, damn hay fevetr23:16
ptlWhy? Lack of sleep?23:16
alteregoYeah, and lack of sleep.23:16
ptllast week I thought I was gonna die. I was feeling very bad and couldn't sleep well. That was the first week of my Atkins (no carbohydrates) diet.23:16
ptlBut now I got better...23:17
alteregoI just wanna get this new version into extras so I can happily start working on my next project.23:17
alteregoMeh, diets are silly.23:17
sevardyour mom's a diet.23:17
ptlnot so silly if they work for you to get more chicks :)23:17
ptlmy internet is slow, I shouldn't have done apt-get update23:18
SpeedEvilThe atkins diet is guaranteed to get you chicks.23:18
SpeedEvilThough not many veg.23:19
SpeedEvilSimple calorie counting has worked well for me.23:19
proyconI just got a n900 and am wondering whether it plays nicely with fuse+sshfs .. I see sshfs is only in extras-devel? is it stable enough for normal usage?23:20
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SpeedEvilyou mean to access remote devices fss fromthe n900?23:20
proyconyeah, my main fileserver23:21
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ptlNever counted calories in my life... You absorb calories from different food differently and also your body uses and stores them very differently. Low glicemy products have low potential to make your fatter, high glicemy have much bigger potential to do that. And also, most fat is not stored, but discarded, and these are very caloric food.23:21
crashanddieSpeedEvil: did you get the whole channel talking about weightloss again?23:22
DrGrovGotta ask...23:22
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Naah23:22
ptlonly me23:22
crashanddiethen join #dieting23:22
DrGrov3 hours ago my phone had just lost about 20% of battery. Should a battery last for another 12 hours or so?23:22
DrGrovI would require some kind of monitoring tool to check up on my battery23:23
ptlI think it should be ##dieting, otherwise it would have to be an official channel for that :P23:23
SpeedEvilptl: All the research I have found says that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. That is peer-reviewed stuff.23:23
DrGrovIt is strange how much it keeps changing23:23
ptlDrGrov: battery eye23:23
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DrGrovptl: ok, i will check it out.23:24
DrGrovptl: thanks23:24
lcukDrGrov, just find a charger and be sure?  like a car miles remaining estimate, it all depends on how you drive the vehicle23:24
DrGrovi hope my battery has nothing wrong in it23:24
SpeedEvilDrGrov: The battery meter inbuilt has enormous issues.23:24
* lcuk rarely sees it as a problem23:24
DrGrovlcuk: yes, i will find myself a charger for the night to try.23:24
DrGrovSpeedEvil: how big is enormous??23:24
SpeedEvilDrGrov: Well - quitelarge.23:25
alteregoI see little point in diets, eat healthy and exsercise.23:25
SpeedEvilalterego: hard to lose 20kg/6 mo with excersize. And there is a difference between diet and portion control IMO.23:25
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: ok, perhaps then I will need to give battery eye a test run.23:25
lcukalterego, those who diet and goto gym just make themselves more attractive to godzilla when it comes to your city and ravishes the population23:25
DrGrovSpeedEvil: I am not 100% confident that this battery really has any problems at all. I am more towards that widgets are the blame.23:26
lcuk"don't eat my; i'm a couch junkie who eats cheetos"23:26
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SpeedEvilDrGrov: Get powertop23:26
SpeedEvilDrGrov: I am unsure if apt-get install powertop will work23:26
DrGrovSpeedEvil: in extras-devel or testing or just good ol' extras?23:26
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SpeedEvilI'm unsure if it's in either23:26
alteregoIt's so hot right now, sweating like a piggy23:26
DrGrovI have seen that the Conversations Inbox widget is not very good at all to use.23:27
alteregotest my package dagnamit so I can work on my next project :P23:27
SpeedEvilextras-devel apparantly23:27
DrGrovMy phone lagged like a old grandma riding a bike23:27
ptlalterego: can you check my status messages? gtalk - ; msn - ; skype - powerpatola ; ovi account - patolinux23:27
SpeedEvilDrGrov: Also - cpumem-applet is great23:27
SpeedEvilDrGrov: and top is good too23:27
DrGrovThat is why the SimpleBlue theme was a PITA, not because of the theme but because of Conversations Inbox widget.23:27
SpeedEvil(sshd into device - top or htop.)23:27
DrGrovSpeedEvil: i use top on a daily basis. i prefer htop though and conky.23:28
ptlSpeedEvil: you forgot powertop, even better to look into battery-consuming processes23:28
alteregoptl: that would mean adding you and stuff, don't you have any friends online you can ask?23:28
SpeedEvil(09:26:27 PM) SpeedEvil: DrGrov: Get powertop23:28
SpeedEvilptl: I'm currently ytying to write a better powertop. I know all about it.23:28
alteregoptl: also, if it sholws up under your accounts from the status bar applet it's working :P23:28
ptlalterego: I wouldn't like to engage in conversations right now, it's difficult to leave them afterwards23:28
DrGrovI am becoming increasingly aware that perhaps the battery as I said is not the main problem but bad coding... Perhaps not? Or perhaps yes?23:29
alteregoptl: check, then sign off :) Or block the person you ask :D23:29
SpeedEvilDrGrov: Are you ever transferring data over 4g?23:29
DrGrovSpeedEvil: 3g perhaps?23:29
ptlalterego: Yes, I am watching that screen right now, but would you consider that good enough to test?23:29
ShadowJKSkype/gtalk/msn/irc on 3g is a battery-killer23:29
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ShadowJKfacebook widget eats battery like mad, and I've heard same thing about some twitter widget..23:30
alteregoptl: for me, yes. Because I've tested through different accounts and know it works. So as long as that shows up for you, I'm 99.9 percent sure it's working fine.23:30
DrGrovNot much skype, gtalk, msn, irc at the moment. and no 3g never almost. just wifi at home. sometimes 3g if absolutely necessary.23:30
DrGrovShadowJK: you got a PM23:31
alteregoShadowJK: so does IM if you're on 3G ...23:31
ShadowJKalterego, I think I just listed the most common IMs :)23:31
DrGrovOh damn, I need to remember to take my charger when I go to sleep...23:32
SpeedEvilDrGrov: If your wifi does not do powersaving properly, you can use lots more power.23:32
DrGrovWhere did I put this actually?23:32
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DrGrovSpeedEvil: I actually use perhaps only 1 hour per day in average23:32
alteregoOh okay :P23:32
Proteousif you lock your phone to GSM and don't use 3g then the battery drain is minimal23:32
ptlgot stuck23:32
ptldamn msn23:33
alteregoThat's what I do.23:33
DrGrovI keep my phone always locked in GSM23:33
DrGrovI switch with the 2G/3G applet when I need to check something23:33
tybolltthe operator "3" in .se doesn't have gsm at all in their network :)23:33
ProteousI keep an ssh connection going all day and with GSM the battery drain is very small, with the phone in 3g mode I'd be lucky to get through 8 hours23:34
ShadowJKDrGrov, what kind of battery life does this give you?23:34
jacekowskiit would be nice if phone could be configured to go to 2g if it's in indle23:34
alteregoI do, until I want to do some browsing, or I'm at a wall outlet/anykind of power.23:34
ShadowJKjacekowski, i saw a script like that on tmo23:34
pahartikDrGrov: It would be nice to have inverted preference of mobile network uplink... GPRS would be preferred, switching to WCDMA whenever that is not reachable...23:34
crashanddieSpeedEvil: indeed, if your calorie intake is higher than what your body consumes, fat ensues. Obviously, depending on the kind of physical activity you go through, specific foods are better/worse for you, but as a whole, a calorie is a calorie, 100% agreed with you.23:34
DrGrovShadowJK: It gives me approximately 2 days without any issues.23:34
DrGrovpahartik: yes, that would be a lot better though the speed would become an issue.23:35
ShadowJKDrGrov, that sounds normal then23:35
ptlalterego: congratulations, the new options for streaming and movie seem nice :) lemme try watching a flick, music seems ok23:35
* SpeedEvil wishes there was a nice implantable blood glucose -> electricity module. With a little inductuve clip-on charger.23:35
DrGrovShadowJK: yes, I think so too. Just the issue apparently is not so much what I do with the phone but what I run in the background. Widgets etc.23:35
SpeedEvilThis would incidentally solve the 'how do I charge my phone' problem.23:36
Proteous"get thin while powering your gadgets!!"23:36
DrGrovI try to minimize all my widgets23:36
SpeedEvilAs the answer would then be 'eat a potato'.23:36
Proteousyou can just implant a turbind in one of your bigger arteries23:36
Proteousor attach some pezio generators to your heart23:37
ShadowJKDrGrov, the thing about widgets is that badly written ones can check stuff all the time even when screen is off.. and since they're always active this eats alot over time23:37
ShadowJKyou notice that widgets like foreca don't ever update unless it's actually visible23:37
alteregoptl: thanks :)23:37
SpeedEvilOne of the more amusing things I found recently.23:37
crashanddieSpeedEvil: "Some scientists believe that the piezoelectric material produced nano line to stay perfect in our blood cells – then using the blood flow they could generate and supply power portable devices medical stimulators and any other inventors portable devices."23:37
SpeedEvil'Batteryeye' (IIRC - I may have got the name wrong) wakes the CPU 60 times a second.23:38
DrGrovNow I need to test that SimpleBlue theme once I got rid of that irritating widget :D23:38
SpeedEvilEven with the screenblanked.23:38
pahartikDrGrov: Of course it should be configurable while running, just like WCDMA/dual/GPRS...23:38
alteregoptl: don't forget to vote :P23:40
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ptlalterego: ok, all my tests worked beautifully, seems to be working alright, couldn't test streaming (I do not know a good streaming source) and got stuck into conversations (people keep trying to talk to me when I don't want it) :P23:44
DrGrovNow I put it for charging, will be interesting to see how long it takes23:45
alteregoptl, cool.23:45
alteregoI quite liked the French Qui station :)23:46
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DrGrovpahartik: it should not be impossible to achieve such a configuration.23:47
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pahartikDrGrov: It might depend on whether such feature is available from that closed system that runs on mobile uplink side of device?23:49
DrGrovpahartik: I presume it could be made up as the AutoDisconnect but instead for AutoConnection...23:51
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DrGrovpahartik: It would automatically choose what connection to prefer and not change it unless the user wants to use a different connection method.23:56
tremnite all, sweet dreams23:57
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asj_DrGrov: I don't thjink it would be hard to do at all23:58
pahartikDrGrov: Well, if one wants to have 24/7 mobile uplink... GPRS could be preferred but WCDMA not disabled23:59
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asj_DrGrov: basically turn off autoconnect, then poll periodically for the network status, and/or listen prediocally for dbus messages that might relate and switch the network as required, whihc can probably be done with dbus anyways23:59

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