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| jacekowski | OMFG | 00:01 |
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| jacekowski | i think that's working | 00:01 |
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| DrGrov | Yo | 00:02 |
| DrGrov | Feel the flow | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pahartik: CA-100? you mean CA-101 USB cable? And - depending on what you actually do and keep activated/powered on your N900 - that's a common problem | 00:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: yo there chap! :) | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's the problem: nobody has a way to gnd ID pin :-S | 00:03 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: should I mail you the the one charger I found? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: or lemme put it that way: micro B USB plugs with ID pin grounded are hard to find | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: the one with 2 old type Nokia charging inputs that becomes the USB model | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | omfg | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | i think it's working | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | without any kernel mods | 00:05 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: what are you fucking around with this time? burning the device or? :) | 00:05 |
| pahartik | DocScrutinizer: It is "Nokia CA-100", I have used it for charging "Nokia 6151" from battery before | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | host mode | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-D | 00:06 |
| vldcnst | jacekowski; grounded to what? | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | to Ground??? | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol what? | 00:06 |
| vldcnst | erm, let me rephrase that. ground what? | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ID pin | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | wait... what just happened? | 00:07 |
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| Kegetys | which one is the id pin? | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | well, i was fucking around with cal | 00:07 |
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| jacekowski | i fucked up my r&d mode flags | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: the on that hits the table writing ID on it in your face | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | and i wrote one to "usb_host_mode" in cal | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | and i proc/driver/musb_hdrc shows host mode | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | power/devctl=? | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | e2 99 | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | did it enumerate? | 00:10 |
| konfoo | so is the meego ui actually coming in alpha on the 30th in some sort of usable form for the n900? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're talking gibberish | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | f1 dd is what it should be | 00:10 |
| konfoo | or are all these threads just yanking my chain | 00:10 |
| xkr47-DI | jacekowski, so is host mode "fully possible" with n900? | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | well, i connected it to self powered hdd | 00:11 |
| jacekowski | and it has spun up | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | did anyone say it wasn't? | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | i said did it enumerate | 00:11 |
| hcm | luckily I just looked at this chan ^^ | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | HDDs spin up without connecting to a host device | 00:12 |
| hcm | MohammadAG51: f1 dd, is not really that good | 00:12 |
| hcm | because its still "bdevice" | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | any 5V supply makes it spin :) | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | f1 dd is a_host for me | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xkr47-DI: yes, it's quite possible. | 00:12 |
| xkr47-DI | :) | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | xkr47-DI: hostmode IS possible, we had a proof for that quite some 7 weeks ago, maybe longer | 00:12 |
| xkr47-DI | found the wiki page, thx | 00:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | xkr47-DI: It needs to have work done to polish it. | 00:13 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 00:13 |
| hcm | MohammadAG51: have a look at the datasheets. a_host is sw-statemachine, devctl is hw-statemachine | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, you said it'd work before that.. | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i can send you program that i made to set that usb_host_mode in cal | 00:13 |
| jacekowski | but hmm | 00:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hcm, they wouldn't really help me, not an engineer to understand that stuff :) | 00:14 |
| LiraNuna | is the creator of Mappero here? | 00:14 |
| DrGrov | People over at #meego are not too friendly | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we want to know what you actually GOT THERE, not a prog to set a bit in CAL | 00:14 |
| DrGrov | The first person to answer was saying that "We have answered that question a lot" when I asked about MeeGo for N900 | 00:14 |
| xkr47-DI | SpeedEvil, aight, thx | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so please see if you find the drive in 'lsusb' | 00:15 |
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| hcm | MohammadAG51: you should still be able to understand pages 3253 and 3278 of SPRUF98D, they show how to interpret the values of power and devctl | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as "spinning up" means nothing at all | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | Official statement over at #meego is following: | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | <TSCHAKeee> DrGrov: there will be a community release. It will not be commercially supported by Nokia, but will have the necessary closed code so that all peripherals will at least have a chance of working over time. | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | exactly | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | So no more asking I presume needed. | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | My HDD spins using AC power sometimes | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it fails on enumeration | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-x | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | let me copy dmesg to pc | 00:17 |
| * MohammadAG51 headdesks | 00:17 | |
| hcm | jacekowski: but does it try to enumerate? | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | take a breath, people. It's a red herring | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | ups | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | it's not booting no | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | w | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | huh? | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | i think messing up r&d_mode was a bad idea | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | well, that program to set bits in cal was copy&paste of program to set bits in r&d mode | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | ouch | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | flash the x-loader image | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | and i forgot to change that | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | but that's strage | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | strange | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | 1st time it did boot | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | now it's not booting | 00:19 |
| Arkenoi | does anybody actually read crash reports made with crash reporter? | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | maybe battery is flat | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | flash the bootloader... | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | or that | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | Arkenoi, most probably yes | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | no initfs \o/ on the screen | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | R&D mode always says that | 00:20 |
| Arkenoi | i just talked to a guy who used to work in MS and he was in contact with the person who "maintains" crash report logs received via "send bug report to microsoft" button | 00:21 |
| Arkenoi | the "maintenance" is actually monthly purge | 00:21 |
| Arkenoi | no reads that | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | well, i've read some articles about what they found in these logs | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | with the amount of bugs in ms products I really am not surprised | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | ( i mean microsoft ) | 00:22 |
| hcm | wow, that guys job can be replaced by a shell script ;) | 00:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | what did they find | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL hcm | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | let me find it | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | Arkenoi: in other words, the guy doesn't do his job | 00:23 |
| Kegetys | if you sign up for having your app's reports be available from microsoft it does work though | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | I'm sure he's *supposed* to aggregate the logs into internal bug reports or such | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | hcm: well, in theory sometimes he *should* receive a request from QA to search for something and he said it just did never happen | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hcm: you wouldn't believe how many of my jobs I was temped to write a shellscript and then take a year of holiday | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | steady orange light | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | that's not charging | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | it is | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be. | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | emergency charge | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it IS | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Steady orange light means it could be charging if some factors are met | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | hmm, now i have steady orange | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | and it's not starting at all | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | it means you're either charging @100mA or @500mA, without any system booted up | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | <MohammadAG51> emergency charge | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | battery's flat | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | did you have bme off? | 00:25 |
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| jacekowski | yep | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, leave it for half an hour | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: could also mean NOLO is dead :-P | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | nah, nolo was working 2 minutes ago | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | and i've done nothing to it since then | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | no NOLO -> nothing to stop emergency hw autonomous charging -> steady orange | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, if only I could test that :P | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | would be nice to have usb sniffer | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:27 |
| * MohammadAG51 would file a bug report to replace NOLO with GRUB, but meh | 00:27 | |
| * DocScrutinizer acks jacekowski | 00:27 | |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder what nokia's response would be | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | prolly go fsck yourself | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | lilo! | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | i have software usb sniffer | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps claims NOLO is signed and no replacement will work as we got no key to sign that | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | but that's kinda useless | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: key can be cracked | 00:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggested that | 00:28 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | In some cases, depending on where the verifier is. | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | people managed to crack ECC in winrar | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | to make a proper keygen | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | that's like 1000000000x harder | 00:29 |
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| jacekowski | and there was htc phone that had similiar problem | 00:29 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: how can it be harder? | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still doubtful about if we really got the OMAP variant that actually does BL checksumming and sign checking | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | just reverse engineer the WinRAR binary | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | we don't have the NOLO-sig-check code | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | not evne in binary form | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: and you can get public part of the key | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: you can't crack that... | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but they did | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I guess you can get that in the OMAP papers | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?t=12104 | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: http://forum.exetools.com/showthread.php?t=12104 | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | if you have the code that checks it, you can possibly hand-craft a compatible signature | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: what we don't have is the private key Nokia flashed to the OMAP to verify the NOLO checksum | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | but just the signature/public part isn't sufficient | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: you always can bruteforce it | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there is no private key on omap | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: assuming TI hasn't implemented a fixed key and either making their customers send in their BL binaries to get signed by TI, or handing out one standard key to sign to all of their cistomers | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: if there is anything there it's public key | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: correct s/private/public/ | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | and public key isn't a problem | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you forget option B: allow signed binaries to rewrite the key storage area | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | we need private key | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we don't even have the public key | 00:33 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so OMAPs are distributed with TI's key, and a TI-signed app can modify the key used | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, possible | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still you need a way to generate your proprietary public key then | 00:34 |
| luke-jr | gpg --create-key | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | :p | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I never looked into these features of OMAP in detail, as I thought "screwit, I never buy a device using such shit". Now I have to learn I accidentally did :-( | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | for all we know, NOLO might be not just signed, but encrypted, and change the key every run | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: shit happens | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: stop talking BS please. TI mask programmed BL checksummer/root-BL won't use a GPG key | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: the point being that key-generation need not be a secret | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and your idea of changing key every run - sorry - doesn't make any sense to me | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | it looks like i don't have peripherial mode now | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: tha's all very interesting, but beyond what you NOT got now - is there anything usefull you actually earned by doing that hack? | 00:38 |
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| jacekowski | well, lack of peripherial mode made extraction of logs harder | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: too bad if there's no ssh and wifi :-P | 00:40 |
| lcuk | or writing to mmc etc - theres many ways to get data out | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | or typing the log letter by letter | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all that I can figure any setting of those CAL R&D mode flags will do nothing for hostmode, except maybe NOLO enabling a useless broken chargepump in twl4030 which causes ~3V on VBUS | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems like kernel has no way to even know about the hostmode flag in CAL being set, so how could it switch to hostmode magically? | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | hmm, nolo? | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | but it has done something to usb | 00:45 |
| * SpeedEvil proposes that all gratuitous use of the letter q, 'qt' or 'cute' be banned in package names. | 00:45 | |
| jacekowski | and it's not r&d flag | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | it's separate block | 00:45 |
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| marcus_ | Heya guys, anybody got ARApp running in pr1.2? I just dl'ed it, and it crashes immediatly :S | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, either ways, it hasn't helped the current host mode situation :) | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | well, there is something that reads that flag | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | marcus_, yeah i did | 00:46 |
| lcuk | horrible naming convention | 00:47 |
| lcuk | i couldnt find the example for the related library anywhere | 00:47 |
| marcus_ | lcuk: Do you know the name of the binary? I'd like to try it out in terminal and see output. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | try arapp.. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | failing that, its in /opt/arapp | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=a0, DevCtl=98) | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | OTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | Options: musb-dma, otg (peripheral+host), debug=10 [eps=12] | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | Peripheral address: 00 | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | Root port status: 00000501 | 00:48 |
| marcus_ | Already tried arap,, it was my first guess. | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | <jacekowski> OTG state: UNDEFINED; inactive lol | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=f0, DevCtl=dd) | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | OTG state: a_host; active | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | o.O | 00:48 |
| marcus_ | /opt/arapp/arapp it is | 00:48 |
| lcuk | marcus_, on my machine it comes up if i cd into its folder first | 00:48 |
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| lcuk | its qt based isnt it | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, lsusb? | 00:49 |
| marcus_ | lcuk: Hmm, I get a segmentation fault. | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | that's from logs | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | i have to charge it now | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | o.o | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | i'll play around with it again after it's charged | 00:49 |
| lcuk | marcus_, try reinstalling it, its possible tho you have screwed up some things | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | and i have to make notes this time | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | as i've got no idea how o got to that state | 00:49 |
| lcuk | magic! | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | i echoed a bit to /proc/driver/musb.. and /sys/dev...musb/mode | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | but everything on stock kernel | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | is CAD what I want to design a mechanical device? | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: cad is a generic term | 00:50 |
| luke-jr | I know | 00:50 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, yes usually | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but yes | 00:50 |
| jacekowski | computer aided drawing/design | 00:51 |
| lcuk | but if you want it manufacturing you would need a cad design technician who knows the required bits ;) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | if its for shits n giggles yourself, just go for it | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we did this long ago. getting to host mode *occasionally* by 'echo foo >sys/blabub' is known to yield SOME results, see mohammad and egoshin | 00:51 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I would want to build it by hand | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not related to --set-rd-flags=USB_HOSTMODE | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | which leads to a question, are the patches actually redundant? | 00:52 |
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| steinex | hi | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | need to try this on a stock kernel | 00:53 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, go for it then | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i think it's not related to me fucking up my r&d flags | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: there are no patches of the kind you implied. all patches were to stop idiocies like blacklist, or to make things like "echo F >proc/musb*/*' work | 00:53 |
| steinex | i'm a happy n900 owner now. one question: i use the built-in IM-client. But i do NOT want that my IM-buddys appers in my "contacts" thingie. I just want people i actually call there | 00:53 |
| steinex | i didn't see a way to just show people who have a telephne number or so... | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | steinex: the difference? | 00:54 |
| steinex | how do you people do that? | 00:54 |
| marcus_ | lcuk: No luck reinstalling. I see another guy having the same problem as I do, on the developers website. | 00:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, but if he got f0/1 dd then the echo F isn't actually needed... | 00:54 |
| steinex | luke-jr: um well i have 120 im-contacts, some of them i change a few words in 2 years | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | steinex: you want to filter contacts w/o voice capability? | 00:54 |
| steinex | luke-jr: yeah | 00:54 |
| steinex | that would be good | 00:54 |
| lcuk | steinex, just use the phone then? i open phone and it lists all my recent calls to people.. | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: how surprising! it shouldn't be needed anyway, if kernel did his job proper and detected fastmode, which is exactly what we try to implement | 00:55 |
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| steinex | lcuk: hrm, well | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | right, forgot that F = force hostmode | 00:56 |
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| steinex | what i want to do is to filter for "local" contacts so to speak... lets say i add 30 people to my phonebook i still have the im-clutter-contacts around them | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: the kernel where you got those exciting results of "wooow, it works" was really just a debug-modded kernel that had a few handles and dials to mess with the statemachine manually as it didn't know to do the job correctly n it's own | 00:57 |
| lcuk | hehe this looks cool http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2010/06/drlaunch-application-launcher-widget.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoBriefs+%28Maemo+Briefs%29 | 00:57 |
| DrGrov | Anyone using appdownloader to download apps from the repositories? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: that's the whole purpose of that kernel. It's plain unsuited for productive use | 00:57 |
| steinex | i think if i can't filter for local contacts i would need to use pidgin (which i personally don't like much) | 00:57 |
| luke-jr | steinex: tap the title->Groups->Cellular | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, meh | 00:58 |
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| steinex | luke-jr: u just have "contacts on sim-card" there | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | steinex: I don't have a SIM card, so speculating on the last option | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya trolls, I missed my *breakfast* another time | 00:59 |
| steinex | luke-jr: i mean _I_ have only "contacts on sim" there ;) | 00:59 |
| steinex | luke-jr: i would use this, but i can't add/delete contacts from it | 01:00 |
| steinex | (which i wonder why too, btw) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, this second I can declare it breakfast of today :-P | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 01:01 |
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| jacekowski | what was the name of that app that was changing r&d mode flags | 01:02 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: flasher or dsme-tool | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | there was something working on the phone as well | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | gtk based | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | with gui | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | dsme-tool was the only on-tablet app I knew of | 01:04 |
| luke-jr | how can I tell Maemo 5 to keep GPS on all the time? | 01:04 |
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| Justus | hi | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | my keyboard backlight seems to be behaving strange | 01:08 |
| Justus | is it possible to force the phone application into a specific orientation? | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | backlight on sides is flashing a random frequency | 01:08 |
| Justus | I want it in landscape allways | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | Justus: wouldn't that be nice? XD | 01:09 |
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| Justus | so it isn't possible? ;) | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | no | 01:12 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: R&D mode? | 01:13 |
| lcuk | Justus, open the phone app, click the menu, select turning control, profit | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: LOL R&D flahlight mode | 01:14 |
| HtheB | wtf | 01:14 |
| Justus | ah, lol | 01:15 |
| Justus | lcuk: thank you, I feel like an idiot now ^^ | 01:15 |
| lcuk | Justus, not as much of an idiot as luke-jr - he doesnt even have a device | 01:15 |
| Justus | I should take a look at the menu before googling ;) | 01:15 |
| HtheB | :D | 01:15 |
| HtheB | :P | 01:15 |
| HtheB | man sorry DocScrutinizer | 01:15 |
| HtheB | I just need to say it once :D | 01:16 |
| HtheB | happy ending! | 01:16 |
| HtheB | man I'm hapy | 01:16 |
| HtheB | happy* | 01:16 |
| HtheB | I flashed my phone again | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: wrong. I heard he recently found a device in his letterbox :-p | 01:16 |
| HtheB | to see what the problem was that I had | 01:16 |
| HtheB | (pressing power button puts the audio into silence for 3 secs) | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | HtheB, You have earned a new trophy, get banned from #maemo | 01:17 |
| lcuk | oh cripes - i thought it was against his religion? | 01:17 |
| Justus | anybody has experience with an external camera on the n900? I know this is a bit specific but I'm looking for a rearview cam for my car and using my n900 (which I allready use for gps-navigation) seemed rather elegant ;) | 01:17 |
| Justus | can a webcam or something like that be used on the usb port? | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: what? I have two devices. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: LOL | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | three if you include non-Nokia | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | many more if you include non-handheld | 01:18 |
| luke-jr | kthx mr. fud | 01:18 |
| cehteh | Justus: not yet .. but as soon hostmode works AND the cam driver will be compiled into some community kernel you may have a chance | 01:18 |
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| cehteh | so .. my guess is not too soon :) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | lol luke-jr i could probably dig up quotes from you saying you wouldnt get an n900 cos of the evil binaries | 01:18 |
| cehteh | well are there bluetooth webcams? | 01:18 |
| Justus | good idea | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I've not seen any. I pondered making one, but got stalled. | 01:18 |
| Justus | let me take a look at that ^^ | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Justus: you got two cams builtin, so why use an external usb webcam?? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: There are stupidly expensive bluetooth cameras. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: as in DSLR | 01:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, because he doesnt want to get out of his car to see the gps stuff | 01:19 |
| nidO | because the builtin camera cant see out the back if it's up with you in the driver's seat DocScrutinizer | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I wouldn't, but I'm not turning down a surprise pkg :) | 01:19 |
| lcuk | he wants to put a camera on his bumper | 01:19 |
| Justus | @DocScrutinizer: the whole point of rearview cams is not having to turn ;) | 01:19 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: FWIW, I have the Turning Control set to Portrait, and it still acts like it is Automatic | 01:19 |
| cehteh | Justus: well seriously i think its not yet worth the efforts, too much things to do | 01:19 |
| lcuk | fair enough luke-jr - now get a sim in it and learn how to use it :p | 01:19 |
| cehteh | but in theory it may work someday | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I get neither of these comments | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: there's no N900-compatible 3G service where I live | 01:20 |
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| cehteh | (possibly with some extra usb power adapter and all kinds of fun and chances to fry your device) | 01:20 |
| lcuk | why do you need 3g? | 01:20 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: and the only GSM service is like $100/mo for 5 GB | 01:20 |
| Justus | DocScrutinizer: I want to use my N900 as a display for a rearview camera, so when I drive backwards in my car I can look outside the back window directly and not only over the mirrors | 01:21 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the guy asked about webcam via usb because his usecase was: in car nav system, but he wanted to add reversing helper using the camera | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 01:21 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, do you use it as a phone? | 01:21 |
| cehteh | Justus: tried the 'mirror' app? :) | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a IP cam then | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: occasionally | 01:21 |
| lcuk | god im still full of sand | 01:21 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: it's a bit more convenient than my portable analog crap | 01:22 |
| Justus | actually that's not even a bad idea | 01:22 |
| Justus | a wifi cam | 01:22 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: don't suppose you know a way to tell the phone app to default to SIP? | 01:22 |
| lcuk | Justus, you know, some bright designer guy recently came up with a mechanism to see behind you when reversing: called it something like a mirror | 01:22 |
| lcuk | dunno luke-jr not looked too deeply into it | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Does not have augmented reality. | 01:23 |
| * lcuk is happy just using normal phone | 01:23 | |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, it does however have furry dice plugins | 01:23 |
| Justus | lcuk: you obviously never had a really big car ;) | 01:23 |
| lcuk | Justus, even truck drivers manage ;) | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: SIP is all I have, in general :) | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | even if I had GSM service, I'd want to use SIP when home | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | (the GSM service would be controlled by the same server as runs SIP) | 01:24 |
| Justus | yeah, I've seen that quite some time now, the average truck driver parks by the "if it cracks loudly you're right"-method | 01:24 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:24 |
| lcuk | Justuswhat car do you drive? | 01:25 |
| * GAN900 chuckles at the comments on the latest council blog post. | 01:25 | |
| Justus | lcuk: Ford Mondeo, that's a middle class combi-van | 01:26 |
| lcuk | sure i know them | 01:27 |
| lcuk | ip camera would be simplest if you are using n900 in dash | 01:27 |
| lcuk | dunno about how good quality would be | 01:27 |
| lcuk | i know a lot of the standard rearview systems are pretty nicely integrated | 01:28 |
| Justus | well, it doesn't need to be perfect, but at least it's a workable idea | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Or composite display, with the n900 in the bumper. | 01:28 |
| Justus | SpeedEvil: yeah! :D | 01:28 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes HUDs were easier. | 01:28 | |
| Justus | these rear view systems are around 150 euros, dunno if I can get a cheaper IP cam | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | you can get lots cheaper than 150e | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | dealextreme.com | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | around 50e for the cheapest | 01:29 |
| Justus | sounds good to me :) | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | However - check the reviews. Quality varies somewhat. | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love a thingy that took input from 8 cams, and did sensor fusion to a 'top down' display | 01:30 |
| Justus | guess I'll go for amazon, they have a cam with good reviews for 30e | 01:31 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 could do composite in. | 01:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's to chuckle there? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-(( | 01:33 |
| Justus | SpeedEvil: I allways wish for a fusion reactor ;) | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^ <-Nokia | 01:34 |
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| Justus | well then thanks for your help everyone :) | 01:49 |
| Justus | bye | 01:49 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, | 01:52 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer2, it's just such a lame situation | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | and the reply is so silly as to be ludicrus. | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | GAN900: indeed | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | IANAL otherwise should consider to kill my useless life | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | now should I *allow* fuscking SMS to be sent, so I have a real reason to bitch after that? Or follow instructions how to avoid it? | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | I wonder what testers/devels are supposed to do - the ones who, by following their professional duties, reflash PR1.2 incl eMMC 5 times a day | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | what with those who got a corporate SIM for these tests? Are the lawsuits about getting fired for using SMS service on a corporate SIM paid by Nokia? | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Woo! Only 123 packages left in the QA queue to vote on. | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | Will Nokia send experts to witness the poor employee never actually knew he was sending an SMS? | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | damn, I always thought we gained the trphy for acting stupid, at Openmoko back when. I start to think we need to pass it over to Nokia | 02:06 |
| TomaszD | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gps-data-logger/0.5-3/ <- SpeedEvil vote for this :) | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I did. | 02:06 |
| TomaszD | not unless you're Mustali Dalal | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - not yet. | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It's in my queue. | 02:06 |
| TomaszD | 700km+ without a problem using this widget | 02:07 |
| TomaszD | so it's cool | 02:07 |
| TomaszD | ;) | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: karmawhore ;-P | 02:09 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, GAN900 where was the official original letter that nokia responded to? | 02:09 |
| TomaszD | lol, I just found the ranking of karma by packagetesting and turns out I'm fourth. I don't even spend that much time on this, people are lazy, they don't vote for shit | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I am actually honestly evaluating all the packages for issues. | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | powertop/strace - licence issues, ... | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | that last one surprised me lol | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Just clicking would be much easier. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | SpeedEvil: yo da man :-) | 02:10 |
| * SpeedEvil can't do the GPS widget ATM, as that would involve getting out of bed. | 02:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer2 | prolly nobody ever did before | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | why do you have a ceiling... | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: In some countries, we have this thing called rain. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | lol | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Hence, we invented ceilings. | 02:11 |
| TomaszD | the widget is fine, ten hours of tracking eats less than half the battery with an active bt headset connection open | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, that's a workaround, not a fix | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Sure - but I for some reason like to test this stuff. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - like may be strong. | 02:14 |
| TomaszD | SpeedEvil, sure, the more scrutiny the better | 02:14 |
| TomaszD | it's not I'll find 9 people to vote for this anytime soon here | 02:14 |
| TomaszD | sorry, 8 now | 02:15 |
| TomaszD | *it's not like | 02:15 |
| TomaszD | I'm tired | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. The testing process could do with some improvements. | 02:16 |
| TomaszD | or some good will | 02:16 |
| TomaszD | both I guess | 02:16 |
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| TomaszD | that gps correlate gui thing is also cool, but it's still in devel | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | gps correlate? | 02:19 |
| TomaszD | yeah, for geotagging photos using gpx files and whatnot | 02:20 |
| TomaszD | I used it for my last bike trip, worked sweet | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I keep meaning to write something to patch https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 | 02:20 |
| povbot | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | you diddn't use the internal camera? | 02:20 |
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| TomaszD | nah, I used my trusty fuji f60fd | 02:21 |
| TomaszD | I just put the pictures onto the n900 and used the gpx file generated by the widget | 02:21 |
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| TomaszD | the gui is hildonized | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | put the pictures onto? | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - SD? | 02:22 |
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| TomaszD | yes | 02:23 |
| TomaszD | wait, so the n900 really is geotagging photos? I thought it was just a joke feature, like putting the name of the town instead of the coordinates in exif | 02:25 |
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| TomaszD | and you do need a data connection for this at all times, or not? | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | no - it really does put in the coordinates | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | and you don't - I think - need a data connection. | 02:27 |
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| ShadowJK | It doesn't try gps for very long | 02:27 |
| TomaszD | well if I already have a fix from tracking anyway | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: yes, some guy came in here some time ago, claiming the N900 was flucking up the geotagging, when really he'd forgotten to active the feature in picasa | 02:28 |
| TomaszD | then I don't need a connection | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | s/active/activate | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | When I used n900 offline I had gpsjinni or location-test running to keep gps active, without data it doesn't get town names but it does put in coordinates | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | which are a lot more important than town names | 02:29 |
| TomaszD | that's good to know | 02:29 |
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| crashanddie | considering that most of the time, you don't care about the town name, you just want to see an icon on a map | 02:29 |
| TomaszD | although I do think that the sharing plugins strip that info upon upload, no? | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | no | 02:29 |
| TomaszD | alright then, cool. I won't have to manually geotag at least the pictures from the n900 now | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, later | 02:30 |
| TomaszD | later | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | is the "rounding" error on geotagging fixed? | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | 11.9653 -> 11.9000 or sth like that | 02:31 |
| TomaszD | the bug report doesn't seem to confirm or deny anything, it's been dead for months | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | TomaszD: bugnr? | 02:32 |
| TomaszD | 6584 | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | bug #6584 | 02:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) | 02:33 |
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| TomaszD | I guess I'll keep the manual geotagging method going then, just need to remember to sync the clocks... | 02:33 |
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| DrGrov | When Monday comes I will fuck Nokia over | 02:36 |
| * pahartik finds out that "Nokia N900" cannot actually be charged through "Nokia CA-100" at all, no matter whether external power is provided for laptop workstation | 02:36 | |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:36 |
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| DrGrov | bug #6443 | 02:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6443 Non-Latin alphabet used (for Location status) when device settings are English | 02:38 |
| DrGrov | bug #4451 | 02:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4451 <ol> lists are not formatted properly | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | What is that app that allows me to categorise the app list into uset chosen folders. I can't check on the n900 ATM as I can't move it or my connection will fall over. | 02:41 |
| emja | Had this (http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=43067) problem yesterday after dropping the phone. Also had constant reboots that would not get beyond the initial NOKIA bootup screen. Phone is only three days old. bah. Updating the firmware worked the first time, but then got this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35125) when adding entry to contact list. Reflashing then failed, as did eMCC flash. Can anyone offer advise? | 02:41 |
| pupnik | catorise ? | 02:41 |
| DrGrov | Why is the locale settings completely fucked up? I have my phone language as Swedish but the date format becomes YY/MM//DD when I want it to be DD/MM/YY | 02:41 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: catorise | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | pahartik: I thought that was clear from what I answered to your previous comment in this issue? | 02:42 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, regional settings? | 02:42 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: ah yes' | 02:42 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: I fucking hate becoming confused with that odd format | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: naah - not that | 02:42 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, I can check further if you like. I think I know what you mean | 02:43 |
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| DrGrov | ShadowJK: any way to get it working properly as possible? If I change language to Finnish it is like DD/MM//YY? | 02:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: As I understand it, there is no way to independantly set the date format | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | wait you get different date format between finnish and swedish language setting? | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | Yes | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | I think so that I get a different | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | that sounds fucked | 02:44 |
| DrGrov | Usually Swedish people use YY/MM/DD but in Finland we use of course DD/MM/YY | 02:45 |
| DrGrov | I have no tried to change it to a different one yet though, to Finnish that is but I predict it will be DD/MM/YY | 02:45 |
| ShadowJK | oh I thought sweden did dd-mm-yy too | 02:45 |
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| DrGrov | ShadowJK: no, unfortunately not. | 02:45 |
| DrGrov | I though prefer to have my phone in Swedish since I am a bilingual speaker | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | DrGrov: maybe resorting to generic unix methods for setting those details could help? | 02:46 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Nokia Care will get one mean fucking angry call on Monday morning | 02:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:46 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ah yes, perhaps that is the way to do things :) thanks. btw, you want the 1 charger I found? The old Nokia -> N900 usb? | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | emja: can you pastebin the output of 'df' on the device? | 02:47 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: I mean it is so irritating to be able to check logs and SMS | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | why not | 02:47 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: will do. three mins. | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | I mean it's not as revampable as I thought, but anyway... | 02:47 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: I hope we are talking about the same charger then. It is that 2 wholes becoming a usb charger for the n900. you mean that one as well? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | yes | 02:48 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: ok, good. | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, I just use english ;-) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | CA-146C | 02:48 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: Since if you do not take it I will burn it to the fucking ground..... | 02:48 |
| DrGrov | Yes, CA-146C | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | and finland as region. I probably wouldn't notice funny date formats, I'm too used to reading random date formats.. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | if you don't mind sending it, I'll happily add it to my heap of auxiliary devices | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | as I killed one of the 2 I got, yesterday | 02:49 |
| DrGrov | brb | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | you killed a ca-146c? | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | ShadowJK: yes -> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10024 | 02:51 |
| pahartik | DocScrutinizer2: Yes, I think you did... However, I thought it was charged before... Supposedly I just did not pay attention to charging status back then | 02:51 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer2, (ovi.com) scary, I gave up halfway through last time I tried make an account | 02:52 |
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| emja | SpeedEvil: sorry for delay, had to install ssh to get output. couldn't start browser. http://pastebin.com/B9Dum3u9 | 03:00 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer2: Where should I send the charger then? | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | mompls eting chicken wings :-P | 03:04 |
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| ShadowJK | DrGrov, south .fi, pampas or other? :P | 03:04 |
| DrGrov | wtf? | 03:04 |
| DrGrov | pampas | 03:04 |
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| * ShadowJK too | 03:05 | |
| DrGrov | ah, interesting | 03:05 |
| pyther | How can I do control shift? | 03:05 |
| lcuk | pyther, gravitational or time based? | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | with very slender finger | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | s | 03:06 |
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| * lcuk just does a mini vulcan grip | 03:07 | |
| pyther | lcuk: not sure I'm looking at the shortcuts and gestures wiki page | 03:07 |
| DrGrov | gotta run, ttyl guys | 03:07 |
| pyther | and it says ctrl + shift + x for xterm | 03:07 |
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| lcuk | yes | 03:07 |
| lcuk | it is | 03:07 |
| lcuk | just put 2 fingers on the ctrl+shift | 03:08 |
| lcuk | then one more on x | 03:08 |
| lcuk | a mini vulcan grip | 03:08 |
| pyther | my fingers are too big | 03:08 |
| * lcuk just holds em together and pushes :S | 03:08 | |
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| cure` | lol that actually works | 03:09 |
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| cure` | and now the whole phone crashed | 03:10 |
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| lcuk | cure`, cute | 03:11 |
| cure` | not kidding | 03:11 |
| lcuk | didnt think you were, what was happening at the time | 03:11 |
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| cure` | tried to bring up a terminal again, but got the contact list instead since i was slow or something | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | (it works, ctrl-sh-x) and that's actually more surprising than you might think, as Nokia EE messed up the kbd matrix. So such three letter combinations are failing more often than not | 03:12 |
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| w00t_ | ow. | 03:12 |
| DrGrov | One quick question | 03:12 |
| DrGrov | Can I alter the LED as well to blink in several different colors? | 03:12 |
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| * lcuk turned the shower off and was left with a whole dune in the bath | 03:12 | |
| DrGrov | I managed to alter it to show my device on as light blueish | 03:12 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: now all you need is crabs to complete the beach atmosphere! | 03:13 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, the indicator led? | 03:13 |
| w00t_ | err.. | 03:13 |
| w00t_ | otoh you probably don't want crabs | 03:13 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: yes | 03:13 |
| lcuk | w00t_, no crabs! | 03:13 |
| w00t_ | LOL | 03:13 |
| lcuk | we have seashells | 03:13 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: any thoughts on that df output? | 03:13 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i would want to customize it even more for missed events like SMS and calls. | 03:13 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, cool | 03:13 |
| DrGrov | like a multi flashing fucking nice disco ball | 03:13 |
| lcuk | did you ever see MohammadAG51's blinkenlights? | 03:14 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: no, but I love to see them | 03:14 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II | 03:14 |
| DrGrov | not HD quality? WTF? :) lol | 03:15 |
| emja | wtf? how'd he do taht? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | HD does not mean HighDef when discussing n900 mods | 03:15 |
| cure` | hahaha | 03:15 |
| emja | dang, I've *really* gotta get my phone working now | 03:15 |
| emja | bleh | 03:16 |
| lcuk | emja, its nokia hardware - pretty much all devices need independent control of single leds around the body for various functions - that is carried through to the keymat too | 03:16 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: but I want to watch videos only in HD :/ | 03:16 |
| * emja nods | 03:16 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | on a non HD screen? | 03:17 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, just follow your nose and find the script and expand upon it :P | 03:17 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, private council email to Quim. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | then it can be in realistic definition | 03:18 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: I will nose myself to the script and penetrate it.... | 03:18 |
| pyther | Can anyone recommend some good ringtones/alarms? | 03:18 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, which could possibly be published, I guess. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | GAN900, since the reply was posted, wouldnt it also be good to post the mail | 03:18 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG51: I love that sequence of your LED :) It is so sexy | 03:18 |
| * lcuk nods | 03:18 | |
| lcuk | GAN900, it just makes sense | 03:18 |
| DrGrov | pyther: I have ringtones for you if you like | 03:18 |
| * MohammadAG51 thanks lcuk for helping him with that | 03:18 | |
| GAN900 | lcuk, well, the mail was that the MyNokia shit is stupid. ;) | 03:19 |
| DrGrov | pyther: some really good ones actually. Perhaps I should link you to one so you can listen? | 03:19 |
| HtheB | FINALLY | 03:19 |
| HtheB | FOUND IT! | 03:19 |
| HtheB | AAARGH | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | the LP5523 can do a lot of nice things for indicator LED which aren't supported by either the mce or the kernel driver | 03:19 |
| HtheB | The stupid Subtitle app will cause the stupid sound pause bug!!! | 03:19 |
| HtheB | >.< | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw, stop mce, echo different brightnesses into the coloured leds, and you get a new colour (not the usual purple/cyan/orange) | 03:19 |
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| DrGrov | pyther: listen to these two... same song but a different start and end to them. | 03:19 |
| DrGrov | pyther: http://colorama.chainformation.com/DotNet/MediaBank/DownloadFile.aspx?FileID=B87517992F7DCE71B674976B280257D2 | 03:20 |
| DrGrov | pyther: http://colorama.chainformation.com/DotNet/MediaBank/DownloadFile.aspx?FileID=4FF3E350028D0CFCB92C3A87A57585B1 | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: why stop mce for that? | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, indeed, just make a script for it and it's epic | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | even while stopping mce is a really bad idea | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, it kills the brightness after 1 second | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | even if i kill engine 1 and 2 | 03:20 |
| DrGrov | That ringtone that I just posted a link to guys you should listen to | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: that largely depends. not here usually | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2, you lost me on that one | 03:21 |
| pyther | DrGrov: those are pretty good thanks | 03:21 |
| DrGrov | pyther: you are welcome. | 03:21 |
| DrGrov | pyther: i like them since they are not too long and loops nicely | 03:21 |
| lcuk | omg sand STILL in hair | 03:22 |
| lcuk | :S | 03:22 |
| pyther | now time to just find an alarm | 03:22 |
| DrGrov | pyther: of course I got more own ones that I cut and sampled from real songs | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer2 | MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s | 03:23 |
| DrGrov | pyther: I am sure I find you a good alarm tone as well if you like. Can you accept DCC transfers? | 03:23 |
| pyther | I'm sure I can, though I'm not sure I know how to in irssi :P | 03:23 |
| DrGrov | pyther: ah, yes. i presume it is just /dcc accept | 03:23 |
| lcuk | pyther, ctrl shift p [ r [backspace] g x 1 | 03:23 |
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| lcuk | or is it g x 2 | 03:24 |
| lcuk | ? | 03:24 |
| * lcuk is not a console person | 03:24 | |
| pyther | DrGrov: give it a try | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: try doing the brightness settings via ssh or in a script with initial sleep 20, so mce doesn't have to react to user interactive event (aka keypress) after brightness was set | 03:25 |
| DrGrov | pyther: ok. i try to first find the tune I am suggesting to you as an alarm tune. | 03:25 |
| DrGrov | pyther: I think the size is a bit big but should work out well. | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG51: lost you?? how that? my brightness settings aren't usually reset after 1s | 03:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | sec | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you're starting talking gibberish | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | eco 255 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:b/brightness | 03:27 |
| DrGrov | pyther: it is a whole song but the beginning is probably what you want to be good? | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | do that, as root, it will last less than a second | 03:27 |
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| pyther | DrGrov: I'm not sure what you asking you can send the whole thing to me | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: can't you listen or what's up with you, dude? | 03:27 |
| DrGrov | pyther: i am sending it now... see it? | 03:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, no, i just missed your message after that one :P | 03:28 |
| pyther | DrGrov: yah let me google how to accept it :P | 03:28 |
| DrGrov | pyther: i resend it now | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, oh, you're right | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: that's entirely new to you? I'm usually right | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, i was going to say 'as always', but it's 3:31 AM so i cba to type long stuff | 03:30 |
| DrGrov | pyther: got it? | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are even dudes that hate me for being *always* right, as they say | 03:30 |
| pyther | DrGrov: yes, thank you | 03:30 |
| DrGrov | pyther: you are welcome :) i use that Californication theme as my ringtone at the moment. Actually that ringtone is the longest ringtone on any phone that I had :) | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, lol | 03:31 |
| DrGrov | pyther: Before I changed ringtones every 2-3 days | 03:31 |
| DrGrov | pyther: what do you think about it? | 03:31 |
| pyther | I like it | 03:32 |
| pyther | a little different than what I'm use to, but I think it works well as a ringtone | 03:32 |
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| DrGrov | good | 03:35 |
| DrGrov | sleepy time... | 03:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | o/ for the night | 03:36 |
| pyther | Stupid question but where am I suppost to put my music and my ringtones on the N900? I connectecd via the usb cable as a mass storage device | 03:37 |
| ShadowJK | .sounds perhaps | 03:38 |
| pyther | ahh good guess helps if I display hidden files :P | 03:38 |
| emja | so do I re-re-re-re-flash my n900? or is there something else I should be doing? | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | emja: As I understand it, you have no mmc0 device. This is the emmc | 03:39 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: I don't know what you mean | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | emja: This means that it's been mechanically damaged - a couple of other people have also reported this. | 03:39 |
| emja | *snap* | 03:39 |
| emja | ah crap | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:17:09 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: Unfortunately, major problems. | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:17:24 AM) SpeedEvil: emja: I would guess that that is a PR1.1 device? | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:18:21 AM) SpeedEvil: You should also have stuff in mmcblk0 - which is the inbuilt MMC | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1864604 94748 95% /home | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (01:18:24 AM) SpeedEvil: /home/opt 2064208 1864604 94748 95% /opt | 03:40 |
| emja | brand-new phone. crap | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - may have gotten discoed. | 03:40 |
| emja | ahh, ok | 03:40 |
| emja | any idea if it may be serviceable? | 03:40 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: or is it a throw-away? | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if /dev/mmcblk0 exists? | 03:41 |
| emja | ShadowJK: this is all I've got: http://ron.fabre.id.au/n900.out | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | but the out of memory messages suggest swap failed too, so that'd hint about big problems with the emmc :( | 03:42 |
| emja | ah, that makes sense | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | emja: It is in principle servicable, but it is not as I understand it something a normal nokia care centre would do, they would replace the board. | 03:42 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: translation: $$$ | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1890132 | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | it should be free under warranty | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | unless the phone is obviously damaged by the fall | 03:43 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: not if they realie I dropped it | 03:44 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: nope, no obvious damage | 03:44 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: but I expect there'd be an impact detector inside | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 03:46 |
| emja | DocScrutinizer: nope? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as the LCD survives the drop, it's been not exceeding the specs of what the device should be able to cope with | 03:47 |
| emja | LCD is perfect | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | They will even replace it if you take it apart, and take pictures. | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:47 |
| emja | you're shitting me! crickey | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | IIRC it's specified for 80cm drop test | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: shutup!! | 03:48 |
| emja | amazing | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | emja: a normal 'harmless' drop isn't anything the device should respond to by losing its eMMC | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so clearly a case covered by warranty | 03:49 |
| emja | DocScrutinizer: ok, I can hope. many thanks | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:49 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: thx | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Good luck. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: btw they did nor replace, they just fixed the main flat connector | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that one evidently isn't related to disassembling the lower half | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and they borked the powerswitch while doing so :-P | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ah | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's the board-flex connector? | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | is there also another connector on the LCD side of the flex? | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose the LCD is a cheapish part to replace | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioend above I never had a look on that part | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Much cheaper than the board anyway | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | they just had to replace the flec-PCB, holding the frontcam, the earpiece, the prox sensor, indicator LED, ... I know the LCD is a separate component that had no need to replace | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | flex* | 03:55 |
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| riptide | hi, a quick question guys - i read somewhere that maemo is being discontinued bynokia | 04:23 |
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| lastnode | sorry, alrady had a shell in here | 04:24 |
| lastnode | i read that maemo is being dced by nokia | 04:24 |
| lastnode | im just thinking of getting a n900 | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ripmaemo can not be 'discontinued' | 04:24 |
| lastnode | sorry DocScrutinizer | 04:24 |
| lastnode | i mean is nokia going to stop using it? | 04:25 |
| lastnode | my choice is apple (closed gayness), andorid (google :() and nokia (maemo) | 04:25 |
| lastnode | my current phone is an e71, i love it | 04:25 |
| lastnode | always liked nokia products | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia will use the successor meego in future devices | 04:25 |
| lastnode | ok | 04:25 |
| lastnode | why the name change? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego is compatible to maemo | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | name changed because meego is a merger of maemo and moblin | 04:26 |
| lastnode | i dont really understand their relationship - could i have a link taht explaisn it? | 04:26 |
| lastnode | ok | 04:26 |
| lastnode | still linux | 04:26 |
| lastnode | still gpl? | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, even more | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:26 |
| lastnode | <3 nokia | 04:26 |
| lastnode | so, should i prolly wait for the next device from nokia | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I wouldn't go that far. but yes, meego isn't that bad | 04:26 |
| lastnode | or will the n900 ez upgrade to meego? | 04:26 |
| lastnode | also, is teh n900 open spec, as in at some point if nokia says they wont support it anymore can i just run deb or something on it/ | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the n900 will happily live with maemo until it falls to dust | 04:27 |
| lastnode | i mean security updates | 04:28 |
| lastnode | etc. | 04:28 |
| lastnode | new kernels | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lastnode: maemo is sufficiently open spec so it'll never die | 04:28 |
| lastnode | i mean will there be an active dev community around maemo? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel updates are backported easily | 04:28 |
| lastnode | it only runs on one device atm right? | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and eventually community will backport meego to n900 | 04:29 |
| lastnode | ok | 04:29 |
| lastnode | will installing the backport void warranties etc? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:29 |
| tripzero | ...unless the backport requires you to solder the debug pins back on | 04:30 |
| tripzero | :P | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but Nokia *might* provide closed source applications for meego devices that can't be backported | 04:30 |
| tripzero | ew | 04:30 |
| * tripzero wouldn't be surprised | 04:30 | |
| lastnode | the iphon4's hd video etc looks attractive | 04:30 |
| lastnode | but ive always favoured an open platform | 04:31 |
| lastnode | and i saw that you can run debian packaegs inside a chroot | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | then n900 is for you | 04:31 |
| lastnode | and i was like <3 | 04:31 |
| lastnode | the shell app for the iphone is 99$ | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't worry about meego or nokia | 04:31 |
| lastnode | t_t | 04:31 |
| lastnode | sorry | 04:31 |
| lastnode | er | 04:31 |
| lastnode | 0.99$ | 04:31 |
| lastnode | do any of you acutally have the n900 atm? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 04:32 |
| lastnode | i was just wondering how zippy isit? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably 90% of the users here | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just what I need | 04:32 |
| lastnode | i sually like to hava browser, putty, mail, im open | 04:32 |
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| lastnode | wondering if the proessor/ram can handle that | 04:32 |
| lastnode | *IM | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | easily | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | comes out of the box | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and runs like a charm | 04:33 |
| lastnode | it's 650$ here in sri lanka | 04:33 |
| lastnode | i might try and trade in my e71 | 04:33 |
| lastnode | ive been comparing on gsmarena | 04:34 |
| lastnode | the n900 seems to have less battery life htan the e71 | 04:35 |
| lastnode | what is your experience with that DocScrutinizer | 04:35 |
| emja | n900 battery seems reasonable to me | 04:35 |
| lastnode | (btw ive read a ton of reviews, watched a ton of youtube vides, not just riding off you guys here) | 04:35 |
| lastnode | ok | 04:35 |
| emja | I got close to 36hrs with wifi, gps, bluetooth all running | 04:35 |
| lastnode | how does the touch screen compare to the iphone's touch screen? | 04:35 |
| emja | I can't compare, I haven't used the iphone | 04:36 |
| emja | but it seems ok. occasionally I had problems but I assumed it my lack of accuracy | 04:36 |
| emja | very 'swish' | 04:36 |
| emja | :) | 04:36 |
| lastnode | ok | 04:37 |
| emja | iphone might be 'shiney', but n900 is very customisable. more a computer than a phone | 04:37 |
| emja | but then I've only got 72hrs experience with it. | 04:37 |
| lastnode | icve been watching it for a year | 04:37 |
| emja | dropped it. busted it. | 04:38 |
| * emja sobs | 04:38 | |
| lastnode | what | 04:38 |
| lastnode | oh noes | 04:38 |
| emja | my fault | 04:38 |
| emja | pretty solid thump. hardly surprising | 04:38 |
| lastnode | no warranty for accidental damage? | 04:38 |
| emja | screen didn't fail though | 04:38 |
| emja | lastnode: no real physical evidence of drop | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It is designed as a phone. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | You are supposed to not be required to carry it around in bubblewrap all teh time. | 04:39 |
| emja | SpeedEvil: sure, but the rest of the capabilities outshine the phone | 04:39 |
| emja | heh, true | 04:40 |
| lastnode | the email client,d oes it require you to sign upo for nokia messsaging? | 04:40 |
| emja | regardless of the fault with mine, I've not seen a more solid phone for more than a decade | 04:40 |
| emja | seriously | 04:40 |
| emja | it's not a flimsly plastic PoS | 04:40 |
| mavhc | if there's no evidence you dropped it, why not claim it just stopped working? | 04:46 |
| pyther | lastnode: no | 04:49 |
| pyther | well I'm using my own imap server with it | 04:49 |
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| lastnode | thanks pyther | 04:50 |
| lastnode | messaging for the e71 requires you to make a nokia.com account | 04:50 |
| lastnode | btw | 04:50 |
| lastnode | when maemo is no longer supproted, will ota updates still work? | 04:51 |
| lastnode | automagic updates i maen | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, with community driven repositories they will. But maemo isn't 'unsupported' yet | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | for mail - you can configure whatever pop3 or imap account you like | 05:03 |
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| lastnode | DocScrutinizer: nokia will likely contonue to support it for the product lifetime then? | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | lastnode: that seems to be the way it's going, yes. | 05:09 |
| lastnode | okcool | 05:10 |
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| lastnode | is there anyw ay to run android apps on maemo? | 05:11 |
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| microlith | nope | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | lastnode: A number of people have reportedly had it working. | 05:13 |
| emja | presumably in a chroot? | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | However - they have not revealed how they did it, or shared wource | 05:13 |
| lastnode | my last worry would be mameo apps | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | source | 05:13 |
| lastnode | will meego apps be backportable to maemo? | 05:13 |
| lastnode | i just dont want to buy a phone which ppl wont be writing apps for | 05:13 |
| lastnode | if you get what i mean | 05:13 |
| microlith | SpeedEvil: are you referring to the Android -port- or some project that runs the android apps on Mameo? | 05:13 |
| microlith | maemo* | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | With Qt apps, the idea is that you can write once, and have it run on symbian, meego, and maemo | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | At least as I understand it. | 05:14 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: err - the former - oops | 05:14 |
| lastnode | emja: you said you purchaed the n900 recently - where from? (which country) and how much? if you dont mind me asking | 05:16 |
| emja | lastnode: Australia | 05:18 |
| emja | lastnode: I got it on a plan. An outright purchase would have been $809, I got it at ~$670 on the plan | 05:18 |
| emja | of course the plan price is bogus. they can make up any number they want | 05:19 |
| emja | and Aust prices are usually *much* higher than elsewhere. Prices are inflated here | 05:19 |
| lastnode | yeah asme here emja | 05:20 |
| lastnode | (sri lanka) | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wPBcmSb2U | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 05:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | lastnode: you won't see an official MeeGo phone tomorrow (Jun 28) | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | or even the next day (Jun 29) | 05:28 |
| lastnode | haha ok | 05:28 |
| lastnode | rough timeline? | 05:28 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 05:29 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia doesn't announce those until it announces the phones | 05:29 |
| timeless_mbp | you can look at past history to make a perhaps educated guess | 05:29 |
| timeless_mbp | however management likes to take pride in surprising customers by being unpredictable | 05:29 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia tends to announce products at a limited set of events | 05:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you can generally assume a product won't magically appear *before* one of those events | 05:31 |
| * timeless_mbp has no idea when those events are but is sure google would tell) | 05:31 | |
| lastnode | thanks timeless_mbp | 05:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think you should probably figure out which sort of apps you expect to purchase | 05:33 |
| timeless_mbp | there's already a fairly good commercial maps app for the n900 | 05:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's 60EUR or so | 05:33 |
| lastnode | mostly im/irc/browsing | 05:34 |
| lastnode | not maps | 05:34 |
| timeless_mbp | well, if you don't expect to need to buy any specific apps, then i'm not sure why you're worrying :) | 05:35 |
| pyther | lastnode: that stuff should all be included | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | well, irc you can get today | 05:35 |
| timeless_mbp | from maemo-extras | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | There is xchat, as well as pidgin, and ircii | 05:36 |
| timeless_mbp | the others are part phone | 05:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | and the irc-conversations plugin | 05:36 |
| pyther | tweaker and alarmed are two great apps to look at if you want multiple profiles and to have different profiles set at specific times | 05:37 |
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| tristan | ssh+irssi works nice. | 05:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: moo | 05:43 |
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| lastnode | yeah ill prolly ssh into this box and use irssi | 05:46 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 05:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: how's linux? | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: drooling over your amoleds? :-) | 05:54 |
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| Macer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10781 | 06:23 |
| povbot | Bug 10781: Official Bluetooth Keyboard Support | 06:23 |
| Macer | seriously ? :) | 06:23 |
| Macer | vague? | 06:23 |
| Macer | i don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel" | 06:24 |
| Macer | no wait... | 06:24 |
| Macer | i don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel in maemo 5" | 06:24 |
| Macer | haha | 06:25 |
| ptl | :| | 06:26 |
| ptl | tristan: did you manage to get an irssi build with perl support? | 06:27 |
| tristan | i immediately forgot after i said it. | 06:27 |
| tristan | i cant imagine it being an issue, though. | 06:27 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: actually just busy with lots of real life crap | 06:27 |
| tristan | i just started ssh'ing to my other session:p | 06:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Submit a bug against the correct component, with an enhancement request Macer. | 06:31 |
| SpeedEvil | That way it can be properly considered, and marked invalid much more efficiently. | 06:31 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: what would be the correct component for that bug? | 06:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | dunno | 06:39 |
| SpeedEvil | input? | 06:39 |
| SpeedEvil | X? | 06:39 |
| ptl | hildon-setup | 06:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - true | 06:43 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! I'm curious, is 'patch' available for Fremantle? | 07:01 |
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| arachnist | ebzzry: diffutils-gnu should contain it, i think | 07:05 |
| ebzzry | arachnist: let me check | 07:06 |
| ebzzry | arachnist: it doesn't | 07:06 |
| ptl | ii patch 2.5.9-2 Apply a diff file to an original | 07:11 |
| ptl | it has its own package. | 07:12 |
| ebzzry | ptl: I tried searching in -devel and -testing but I still can't find it | 07:12 |
| ebzzry | ptl: What repo are you using for that? | 07:12 |
| ebzzry | ptl: Anyway, I'm using jebba's freemoe repo for now | 07:13 |
| ptl | [user@n900 user]% grep 'Package: patch' /var/lib/apt/lists/* | 07:13 |
| ptl | grep: /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: Permission denied | 07:13 |
| ptl | /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patch | 07:13 |
| ptl | /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patchutils | 07:13 |
| ptl | sdk | 07:13 |
| ebzzry | fremantle/sdk | 07:14 |
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| nexcell | hello, is there a way to change the color schema of the xterm in fremantle? | 07:53 |
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| nexcell | ok found it | 07:54 |
| ptl | I got it to work, a daemon in python that reads the SMS aloud :D | 07:54 |
| ptl | nexcell: how?? | 07:55 |
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| ptl | nexcell: did you manage to fix the 'grey' that appears as 'black' bug? | 07:55 |
| nexcell | ptl uh? | 07:56 |
| nexcell | i don't know this bug... | 07:56 |
| ptl | nexcell, there is such a bug... there is one color in the color scheme of the N900 that appears incorrectly. Anyway, what did you find? | 07:56 |
| nexcell | anyway, in the change font option of the terminal there are 2 color pickers, one of them is for the font, the other is for the bg | 07:57 |
| ptl | oh... this | 07:57 |
| ptl | I thought you were talking about the whole color scheme of xterm indeed | 07:58 |
| nexcell | ptl just need a terminal whit black bg and light gray fonts | 07:58 |
| nexcell | :) | 07:58 |
| ptl | Yep, I also use it that way. Don't forget to set "background=dark" in your ~/.vimrc ! | 07:59 |
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| nexcell | done, thanks for the suggestion | 08:02 |
| * magic_silver_box slaps nexcell around a bit with a large trout | 08:03 | |
| nexcell | low battery... and breackfast time, bye all | 08:03 |
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| solrize | does anyone know if it's possible to use several bluetooth headsets with the same phone simultaneously? i.e. if several people in the same room want to be on the same phone call without having to use a *&#^*#&$ speakerphone | 08:45 |
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| flux | I doubt that is currently possible. sounds feasible though if someone were to implement it, though :) | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt that's possible, as BT has no protocol for that. I means, the audio is a twoway, so who's going to do the mixing for microphone? (let alone there's probably also ACKs etc for the outbound audio, pushbutton events to receive and dunno what) - won't work | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ... | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | just connect them all to indepedent Asterisk or FreeSWITCH channels and throw them in a conference | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm. Never heard of BT<->* | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: my point is the BT-transceiver in N900 can not do this | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as BT is a point2point by design | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | so have many points | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | no need for it to be p2p | 09:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer YAWNS | 09:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, connect a hub to hostmode, plug in 4 BT dongles to that hub, and probably you can connect 5 headsets to N900, if you manage to setup the drivers and managing software (PA etc) correctly | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and each of the dongles wil even find a free channel for his RF | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | N900 can only do a single BT peer at a time? | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT is a point2point protocol by design afaik. Said before | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you possibly can *switch* between different far end peers, but you never can concurrently talk to them | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | so it's impossible to have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with a single dongle? | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | I doubt that | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd say that's exactly the point. As long as you move your mouse you'll not be able to type on the kbd | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | the computer doesn't know when I move the mouse unless it remains connected | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | same w/ keys pressed | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even doubt if it's possible at all to pair to a bt-kbd and mouse same time | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | therefore, the computer must be connected to both concurrently | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: honestly, if that is true, Bluetooth is worthless crap | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | if each device needs its own dongle, they might as well use arbitrary proprietary protocols | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: please, show me a paper or RFC or sth stating it's possible, then we continue this talk | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | no need to continue it | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | if it's not possible, Bluetooth is worthless | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | nothing more to say | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT probably has no collision detection OTA, nor any bandwidth management or arbitration | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | your mosue will exclusively occupy the channel | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it might free the channel as soon as it doesn't move, giving opportunity for the kbd to kick in | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | BT != WLAN | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | also, if it were true, you'd see laptops with multiple BT channels builtin | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm talking out my ass, no idea honestly | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | AFAIK, BT is a low-power, short-range WLAN with protocols beyond IP | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, just try it | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | I only have two Bluetooth things total | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | N810 and N900 | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | Wikipedia's summary says it "can connect several devices" | 09:46 |
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| luke-jr | "A master Bluetooth device can communicate with up to seven devices in a Wireless User Group. This network group of up to eight devices is called a piconet. The devices can switch roles, by agreement, and the slave can become the master at any time." | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, and can it do broadcast? | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | "Simultaneous transmission from the master to multiple other devices is possible via broadcast mode, but not used much." | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause broadcast is exactly what you need for concurrent headsets | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | not really | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | time splicing should work fine | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt it's implemented for SCP though, and for sure not for A2DP | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | it's all software | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but in this case it's firmware | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | the only real difference being Nokia not allowing us to modify it | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | from all I learnt it's possible not even Nokia *has* the firmware sources | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | perhaps, but they decided which chip to use ;) | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the datasheet of the BT chip, and you'll be wiser | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, I need to go to bed | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | me as well | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | and I don't really care about Bluetooth for obvious reasons | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | night | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | night | 09:53 |
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| jd | hi | 10:15 |
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| dr34m | any good free alternative for that mobile maps? specially for biking | 10:48 |
| dr34m | theres plenty of those geo things :| | 10:48 |
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| RST38bis | hello punks | 10:57 |
| dr34m | pff :> | 10:57 |
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| RST38bis | moo, raster | 11:04 |
| RST38bis | raster: doing any projects on maemo or meego btw? | 11:05 |
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| marcus | Do I need some specific settings when using QT Designer for designing to the n900? I guess I'd need to make it 800x480, right? | 11:16 |
| marcus | I can see, when choosing a new form, it has got a groupbox called "Embedded Design" and then "Device", but I can't change the device. | 11:17 |
| raster | RST38h: nope | 11:17 |
| magic_silver_box | MAKE IT BIG | 11:18 |
| raster | RST38h: well other than i made usre evas's gl-es engine works - well minus gl-es driver bugs | 11:18 |
| raster | (in maemo) | 11:18 |
| raster | i lost my maemosdk | 11:18 |
| raster | i tried re-installing t and the install scripts fail on ubuntu 10.04 in vmware | 11:18 |
| raster | so i gave up for now - too much pain | 11:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | raster, read the ubuntu 10.04 troubleshooting notes in | 11:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, maemosdk | 11:23 |
| infobot | i heard maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 11:23 |
| ebzzry | Hi! What are the key differences between flasher-3.5's '-F' and '-r' switches? | 11:25 |
| RST38h | raster: I have 10.4 with maemosdk+ | 11:25 |
| raster | MohammadAG51: i'm in no hurry. i'm busy enough :) | 11:25 |
| RST38h | raster: it installs without scripts. let me know if you need help. | 11:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | screew the + version :P | 11:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | raster, it's only two commands you lazy arse :P | 11:26 |
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| RST38h | sdk+ is order of magnitude saner than the first version | 11:26 |
| raster | MohammadAG51: i have to boot up vmware and stop debugging something else | 11:27 |
| raster | :) | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | scratchbox is fine for me | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | raster, multitask :p | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | (sb) till i deleted /scratchbox/* and /dev was binded to it somewhere | 11:27 |
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| RST38h | ah shit, internet uplink is down | 11:30 |
| * RST38h forced to use n900 for internet. With gprs. | 11:30 | |
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| RST38h | trouble, trouble... | 11:31 |
| auenf | gprs ftwq | 11:31 |
| auenf | -q | 11:31 |
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| mc_teo | is there anyway to stop the browser opening bookmark page at startup | 11:55 |
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| mc_teo | and instead open homepage | 11:55 |
| mc_teo | probably a about:config change? | 11:56 |
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| DrGrov | Hello | 13:06 |
| DrGrov | I wonder what is making my phone lagging like hell? | 13:07 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: reboot once? | 13:07 |
| DrGrov | It has started to happen more often now this damn lagging | 13:07 |
| Ikarus | open apps ? possibly leaking memory | 13:07 |
| DrGrov | No open apps | 13:07 |
| Ikarus | DrGrov: widgets are apps too | 13:07 |
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| valdyn | DrGrov: it lags after some days uptime | 13:07 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: how many might depend on usage.. | 13:08 |
| Ikarus | the Facebook (Failbook) widget is a well known culprit | 13:08 |
| Ikarus | valdyn: bull | 13:08 |
| valdyn | Ikarus: no | 13:08 |
| DrGrov | But it started to lag today after the phone was off last night and I turned it on today | 13:08 |
| Ikarus | valdyn: my N900 has been on for 3 weeks now | 13:08 |
| valdyn | Ikarus: i said "depend on usage" | 13:08 |
| Ikarus | valdyn: no, there is NOTHING inherit in the N900 that will cause it to lag after days of uptime | 13:08 |
| Ikarus | it's just that some widgets and other third party apps are broken and leak memory | 13:09 |
| valdyn | Ikarus: how would you know that? | 13:09 |
| DrGrov | So I wonder could it be that fucking Conversations Inbox Widget that is lagging my system down to the point that it leaves a trace of the closed app on the desktop even? | 13:09 |
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| Ikarus | valdyn: because I am monitoring if anything is increasing memory usage | 13:09 |
| valdyn | Ikarus: its not a secret that linux kernel has memory fragmenting issues at that version | 13:09 |
| Ikarus | DrGrov: widgets are actual running apps | 13:09 |
| DrGrov | Ikarus: ah so it is that widget that is fucking up my phone. | 13:09 |
| Ikarus | DrGrov: quite possibly | 13:09 |
| DrGrov | time to remove it and reboot | 13:09 |
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| DrGrov | that is the last fucking time I install any widgets | 13:10 |
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| Ikarus | DrGrov: most aren't problematic, but some just.... | 13:10 |
| DrGrov | ok, i will remove it now to see what happens. | 13:11 |
| Ikarus | most commonly reported is battery drain due to the Facebook one | 13:11 |
| DrGrov | perhaps it should become more stable directly after removing the widget? | 13:11 |
| Ikarus | DrGrov: in theory it should | 13:11 |
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| valdyn | Ikarus: but indeed i cannot see memory leaking either | 13:12 |
| DrGrov | Ikarus: nothing, I need to do a reboot... | 13:12 |
| Ikarus | DrGrov: btw, note that those little widgets in the menu you can also set online status in, wifi connection, etc, are also backed by running apps | 13:13 |
| DrGrov | Ikarus: now the phone is working like it should | 13:15 |
| alterego | So tired | 13:15 |
| DrGrov | easy to remove the Conversations Inbox and replace it with Conversations | 13:15 |
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| TomaszD | seems like a homeless man living in garbage made android 2.2 work on the n900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U46e_VYANWs&feature=player_embedded#! | 13:27 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:35 |
| arachnist | moin | 13:35 |
| arachnist | TomaszD: now all we need is to get phonet and powervr working | 13:35 |
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| dregin | Can someone tell me how to disable flashblock in the n900's browser? | 13:49 |
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| dregin | There's no sign of it in the extension settins :\ | 13:49 |
| dregin | g* | 13:49 |
| alterego | dregin: uninstall it? :P | 13:49 |
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| DrGrov | TomaszD: Are you sure that the guy is homeless? | 13:52 |
| alterego | Hrm, I was going to write a Twitter Telepathy plugin, but I've just realised I don't use Twitter at all ... | 13:53 |
| alterego | I don't even have an account .. | 13:53 |
| DrGrov | I wonder how tell a guy living as homeless is even thinking about buying a N900.... | 13:54 |
| DrGrov | Why not put the money on finding an apartment etc.?? | 13:54 |
| FredrIQ | lol, people are really desperate to get a working ninty 64 emu. :P | 13:55 |
| FredrIQ | well, i would not complain if i got one but it's not like i "must have" it as seen from some from tmo | 13:55 |
| DrGrov | I am pretty sure that that guy is homeless | 13:57 |
| DrGrov | All the videos have the exact same background | 13:57 |
| FauxFaux | He explains in the first comment. :p | 13:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Getting != buying. :) | 13:58 |
| ech0Asus | sup all | 13:58 |
| RST38h | And he ripped that N900 off the first geek he could find at the street | 13:58 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ech0Asus: Nothing much - PR1.4 just got released, and it's based on windows 95. | 13:59 |
| DrGrov | FauxFaux: Explains that he is homeless? | 13:59 |
| ech0Asus | what win95 based lol yea right | 13:59 |
| ech0Asus | gui look like it or somethin? | 13:59 |
| DrGrov | I can't see that comment | 13:59 |
| nidO | DrGrov: explains that what you see is one of these wierd and secretive things called a "bin" | 13:59 |
| FredrIQ | win95 based... | 14:00 |
| DrGrov | lol | 14:00 |
| DrGrov | Now I see the comment | 14:00 |
| DrGrov | This guy has to be either a genius or completely insane | 14:00 |
| FredrIQ | and what will PR1.5 give, PS3 fullspeed? ;) | 14:00 |
| ech0Asus | so whats meago lookin' like for the n900? | 14:01 |
| nidO | find out in 3 days | 14:01 |
| ech0Asus | cool | 14:01 |
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| RST38h | FredrIQ: It will give you working Media Player applet | 14:02 |
| RST38h | If we are lucky | 14:02 |
| ech0Asus | the moblin gui is nice | 14:02 |
| ech0Asus | didn't they merge with meego or somethin? | 14:03 |
| RST38h | They called "Moblin" "Meego". | 14:04 |
| FredrIQ | moblin base, maemo UI | 14:04 |
| FredrIQ | IIRC | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Qt UI | 14:04 |
| RST38h | There will not be "Maemo UI" | 14:05 |
| ech0Asus | interesting so a new UI? | 14:05 |
| FredrIQ | er | 14:05 |
| FredrIQ | ofc | 14:05 |
| * FredrIQ is tired | 14:05 | |
| ech0Asus | i'm guessing it will be similar to the design of the moblin interface on the netbook just chopped up and down sized for the n900? | 14:05 |
| RST38h | Ah, beautiful! Mozilla has broken its own browser by making "safe execution environment" for Flash. | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can disable this misfeature? | 14:06 |
| FauxFaux | Hopefully you can't. | 14:06 |
| RST38h | Hopefully, I can, until they fix it | 14:06 |
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| FauxFaux | Fix it by releasing 3.6.6? | 14:07 |
| * RST38h does not care how Mozilla fixes its products | 14:07 | |
| ech0Asus | try chrome or opera :) | 14:08 |
| RST38h | Thank you. | 14:08 |
| ech0Asus | i really like chromium.. | 14:08 |
| ech0Asus | i don't even use firefox except for on my desktop now | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | freaking plugin-container... | 14:09 |
| ech0Asus | microb is great for the n900 tried the firefox on it.. it sux.. | 14:09 |
| RST38h | What if I delete it? | 14:09 |
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| RST38h | Hey VDVsx, a newly appointed Nokia henchman =) | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | hey RST38h , lol, not yet :P | 14:11 |
| * RST38h killed the evil plugin-container dead | 14:12 | |
| RST38h | Things back to normal: GMail fully works and the computer does not lock up when playing flash | 14:13 |
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| DrGrov | Moblin is looking really really freaking beautiful! | 14:15 |
| DrGrov | I am perhaps in love with Moblin | 14:15 |
| RST38h | When'll you propose then? | 14:16 |
| ech0Asus | yeah moblin is nice even ubuntu is tryin to swagga jack them with some moblin remix of karmic | 14:16 |
| DrGrov | RST38h: i am not sure yet, i need a big fat wedding ring first | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Drill a hole through you N900? =) | 14:17 |
| DrGrov | I do hope the N900 will get Moblin as well | 14:17 |
| ech0Asus | it will get meego | 14:17 |
| RST38h | Moblin == Meego for all practicalpurposes | 14:17 |
| ech0Asus | yeah will have a dif ui right? | 14:17 |
| DrGrov | Ah, so Moblin and Meego is literally the same thing? | 14:17 |
| DrGrov | Meego was really beautiful as well | 14:18 |
| ech0Asus | i figured similar just chopped up and sized down for the n900 | 14:18 |
| DrGrov | It is nice to finally have a device that can evolve during time and not be a regular device with limited possibilities | 14:18 |
| DrGrov | I gotta get my fiancee a new phone soon as well | 14:18 |
| DrGrov | She likes the N97 but still, always better to get a better phone | 14:18 |
| ech0Asus | the n900 isn't for everyone | 14:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone seen app manager ecome confused about free space? | 14:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | It won't install stuff though /opt is only 95% full | 14:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 14:21 |
| DrGrov | I think she will be happy with the N97 and get perhaps a high-end Nokia later. Perhaps not the N900 but something similar, most definitely touch screen. | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 95% limit | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | not insane | 14:22 |
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| DrGrov | I am feeling really confident that Nokia will gain much needed market shares when N900 becomes even bigger and better and faster | 14:22 |
| nidO | it wont | 14:23 |
| DrGrov | ech0Asus: yes, you are absolutely right. the N900 is not the phone for everyone. | 14:23 |
| DrGrov | nidO: it won't? why not? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a 6GHz 35" n900 | 14:23 |
| RST38h | DrGrov: Ah you are so obviously incorrect! | 14:23 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I would prefer my desktop computer specs on the N900 | 14:23 |
| DrGrov | RST38h: incorrect? ah of course, perhaps just I STFU then | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Drgrov: Nokia has missed its chance to world domination when it has not bought Palm! | 14:24 |
| DrGrov | RST38h: perhaps, perhaps not. time will tell what happens. | 14:24 |
| nidO | the N900 isnt going to explode into popularity, the device is 8 months old, it's old hat. the vast majority of people that will ever have them already have them, and it's likely to (at best) just get a mostly-functioning port of meego | 14:24 |
| RST38h | Imagine that: A bigger, better, faster N900 running wonderful PalmOS! | 14:24 |
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| RST38h | PalmOS == Confidence! | 14:24 |
| DrGrov | nidO: no, I do not mean popularity necessarily. I mean the the current owners of the N900 will finally feel good about a Nokia phone. | 14:25 |
| RST38h | (and of course I mean the original PalmOS) | 14:25 |
| nidO | anyone that's not happy with the n900 as it is now isnt going to get any happier | 14:25 |
| RST38h | nid0: mushrooms. | 14:25 |
| nidO | quite the opposite in fact, when meego turns out to look amazing and fantabulous and all the things maemo isnt, theyll get even more pissed off that there'll be no official nokia release of it for the n900. | 14:26 |
| Ikarus | nidO: not really | 14:26 |
| RST38h | Well there is still hope DELL will buy Nokia and use its expertise to build phones with PalmOS | 14:26 |
| Ikarus | nidO: most people realised it was an experimental phone | 14:26 |
| nidO | no, they really dont. | 14:26 |
| TomaszD | DrGrov, I don't know, doesn't it look like a total dumpster to you in the videos? and the dirty fingernails? | 14:26 |
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| nidO | those of us with an ounce of intelligence do, but that doesnt describe the majority of the userbase. | 14:27 |
| DrGrov | TomaszD: yes, I figured that out after watching a few more of his videos | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to get apt-* to tell me if a package is installed? | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | dpkg -l | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ah-thank | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | s | 14:28 |
| RST38h | nid0: Those of us with intelligence know that the phone is not smart unless it is running PalmOS | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Besides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display. | 14:29 |
| DrGrov | How is LG phones working out these days? | 14:33 |
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| ham5 | hello everyone! | 14:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | <RST38h> [13:29:09] Besides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display. | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | why's that? | 14:38 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, PalmOS is very slow :P | 14:38 |
| ham5 | the device lock... where I can I change the times for the auto lock? 1 hour is to short for me | 14:38 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, the pre takes several minutes to boot | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | hildon-desktop can scale to higher resolutions | 14:38 |
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| ham5 | can I do that; change the auto lock times? | 14:41 |
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| RST38h | MohammadAG: Consider it a homework. | 14:43 |
| lcuk | ham5, settings/display backlight timeout | 14:43 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: Just means you need multiple overclocked cores to boot PalmOS fast | 14:44 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: And of course use the original, good PalmOS | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, heh, check youtube, hd already runs on a laptop | 14:44 |
| * lcuk yawns and clicks kettle on | 14:44 | |
| lcuk | morning #maemo \o | 14:44 |
| RST38h | mourning lcuk | 14:44 |
| * MohammadAG51 leaks an episode of Dr. Who for lcuk | 14:45 | |
| VDVsx | MohammadAG51, I've tried hd in some lenove touchscreen laptop, works very well | 14:45 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, end of series - i have to wait till christmas now! | 14:45 |
| VDVsx | think there a video of the same laptop on youtube :P | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, that's what they want you to think | 14:45 |
| RST38h | which remidns me | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | VDVsx, lol | 14:46 |
| lcuk | sand still in random places \@/ | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | brb | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | :D | 14:47 |
| ham5 | I want more then an hour tho | 14:47 |
| ham5 | and thats the max it goes up too | 14:47 |
| ham5 | surly there is something in /etc | 14:48 |
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| ham5 | for the device lock | 14:48 |
| lcuk | ham5, yeah i remember an extension package on n810 that did that | 14:50 |
| lcuk | it added extra items to the combo | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | kinda defeats the purpose of auto lock though :P | 14:50 |
| * lcuk cannot remember how or what it was tho, i aint had enough coffee yet | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, not really | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | my device doesn't idle for 30 minutes.. | 14:51 |
| ham5 | extension package :\ sounds like what I need to... n900 tho :) | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the settings app called? | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:53 |
| ham5 | never thought about that even being an app | 14:53 |
| * SpeedEvil worked out how to free space. | 14:53 | |
| MohammadAG51 | <DJ_Steve> WE HAVE FLASH 10.1 I REPEAT FLASH 10.1 | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | A script to find packages installed that have exceeded the QA threshold in extras-testing, or I have voted on. | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 14:54 |
| SpeedEvil | this fails on stuff that's moved off the queue page I guess. | 14:54 |
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| alterego | anyone one fancy testing my new version? It's in testing, had loads of issues with 0.3 but 0.4 I've been using for a day and it's been pretty good :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=45f7c22481dd11dfb8efc3127326bea7bea7&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/45f7c22481dd1 | 14:57 |
| alterego | woah, don't click that! | 14:57 |
| alterego | :D | 14:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's OK - go ahead and click - then you just need to click the 'thumbs down' button after, and it's good. | 14:58 |
| alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 14:58 |
| alterego | thass the link :) | 14:58 |
| ham5 | battery must only last u 2 hours im'ing and listing to music | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | apt-get install 20cigs | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get --purge autoremove lcuk | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 15:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | The GPRS data counter does not update for tethering. | 15:06 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, ! | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, what, i ran it as user | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I understand this would be tricky to do, but it's annoying. | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | gahhhh AV scan is still running on windows machine | 15:10 |
| lcuk | it started at 4am (now 1pm) | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 15:10 |
| joga | system log shows multiple red disk failures? ;) | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg09365.html | 15:13 |
| lcuk | nahh joga just immense thing and im not normally up this early to notice it still takes this long ;) | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Did you still want to see the original mail to Nokia? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, he asked aout autolock (with code), not autodim | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | jaffa we should shouldnt we? | 15:16 |
| lcuk | nice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years | 15:17 |
| * lcuk has never paid attention to what AV scan finds | 15:17 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, but if the screen stays on the autolock does not happen | 15:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Didn't want to over-complicate the post, since it's not a tit-for-tat email exchange being published; it's an official statement for publication included as part of an email exchange. | 15:18 |
| lcuk | sure i know in context to this post, i was just curious when i see only one side of a posting | 15:19 |
| lcuk | leave it for now, but it would be something to consider in other communication perhaps? | 15:20 |
| FIQ | <lcuk> nice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years | 15:20 |
| FIQ | lol :p | 15:20 |
| lcuk | fiq i guess it finds them every week | 15:21 |
| FIQ | hrh | 15:21 |
| lcuk | hopefully it doesnt try to extract them from my data | 15:21 |
| FIQ | heh* | 15:21 |
| FIQ | ..lol :P | 15:21 |
| FIQ | Tracking cookies! How dangerous! | 15:21 |
| lcuk | yeah i should add a rolleyes widget | 15:22 |
| FIQ | Remove immediatly or it will destroy your... private surfing at that page? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | oh, i have one :D | 15:22 |
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| lcuk | book reader works nicely now i added some keys for autoscrolling and paging up/dow | 15:23 |
| * lcuk read himself to sleep last night | 15:23 | |
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| * lcuk will put front cover and select on it | 15:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Live rotation. | 15:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, of what? | 15:26 |
| * lcuk knows all about live rotation | 15:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Rotate the text according to the accel - with reflow - at 30fps. | 15:26 |
| lcuk | but cant do it from everything just yet | 15:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, line clipping screws with your eyes | 15:26 |
| lcuk | as the line length changes it will destroy you | 15:27 |
| lcuk | and reflowing a 15000line document is not trivial | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Bah - boring insistance on text being at 90 degrees! | 15:27 |
| lcuk | (it takes ~0.1 second) | 15:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you saw beyond portrait video? | 15:27 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsure | 15:28 |
| lcuk | that is feasible technically - rotating the cells in a grid - and continuing scrolling | 15:28 |
| lcuk | i even have an algorithm in mind for listing them and continuing without skipping a beat | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 15:29 |
| lcuk | but expanding that to work with images and text was a little more difficult | 15:30 |
| lcuk | i couldnt get motivated to make a proper rotozoom | 15:30 |
| lcuk | i do now have an optimised bitmap rotator for 90degrees tho :) | 15:30 |
| lcuk | so i can just do liqbasey stuff in portrait :) | 15:31 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, seen doctor who? | 15:32 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Yup :) | 15:34 |
| lcuk | o_O indeed :D | 15:34 |
| lcuk | the sheer dramatic opera of last weeks was most outstanding :D | 15:35 |
| * Jaffa nods | 15:42 | |
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| th3hate | where should i put the apk file to install in on nitdroid? | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | #nitdroid-help | 15:55 |
| th3hate | who talked to you :P | 15:55 |
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| TomaszD | holy crap | 16:08 |
| TomaszD | someone matched the total donations for decoders support | 16:08 |
| s1gk1ll | hello folks | 16:09 |
| s1gk1ll | im having some "problems" with the usb connection on my N900 | 16:09 |
| s1gk1ll | hope you can help me | 16:09 |
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| s1gk1ll | when i connect the cable to N900 | 16:09 |
| s1gk1ll | and choose Mass Storage mode | 16:10 |
| s1gk1ll | everything works nice | 16:10 |
| s1gk1ll | i mount the partition on my Linux Box | 16:10 |
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| s1gk1ll | everythink work as suposed | 16:10 |
| s1gk1ll | but when i want to stop | 16:10 |
| s1gk1ll | mass storage mode | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | the icon on status bar menu | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | doesnt allow me | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | so, the only i have to get out | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | of Mass Storage mode | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | is to unplug de cable | 16:11 |
| s1gk1ll | any one of you have de same problem? | 16:12 |
| s1gk1ll | *the same | 16:12 |
| lcuk | s1gk1ll, isnt that normal? | 16:12 |
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| TomaszD | s1gk1ll, you unmount the n900 from your linux box, not from the n900 | 16:12 |
| lcuk | i never knew of a way to disable it any other way | 16:13 |
| TomaszD | this is normal | 16:13 |
| s1gk1ll | well, some of my friends | 16:13 |
| TomaszD | you can only mount it from the n900 if you have chosen to use chargin only | 16:13 |
| s1gk1ll | can change de mode to charging only | 16:13 |
| s1gk1ll | without unpluging the cable | 16:13 |
| TomaszD | no, they can only do it the other way around | 16:13 |
| TomaszD | and they unmount the n900 from the pc | 16:14 |
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| s1gk1ll | i do unmount the partition | 16:14 |
| s1gk1ll | but the N900 continues in Mass Storage | 16:14 |
| s1gk1ll | some people told me that it is possible to change to Charging Only Mode by clicking on the USB icon | 16:15 |
| s1gk1ll | available on Status Bar menu... | 16:15 |
| TomaszD | it's not even a button, so no, you can't do that. | 16:15 |
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| s1gk1ll | its not a button in the status bar | 16:16 |
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| s1gk1ll | but if you enter in the status bar menu | 16:16 |
| s1gk1ll | its a button there related to USB | 16:16 |
| TomaszD | once you're in mass storage it seizes to be a button, it only shows the status, look closer | 16:16 |
| s1gk1ll | yes, thats the problem | 16:17 |
| s1gk1ll | when you are in charging only mode | 16:17 |
| lcuk | s1gk1ll, how do your friends do it? | 16:17 |
| * lcuk just unplugs and replugs cable | 16:17 | |
| s1gk1ll | my friends click on the icon inside de status bar menu | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | and change the mode | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | to charging only | 16:18 |
| TomaszD | I don't know, I'm getting a feeling you got trolled and in turn we are getting trolled now s1gk1ll | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | without unplugging | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | lol | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | ok thn TomaszD | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | *ok then | 16:18 |
| lcuk | s1gk1ll, they are using n900s? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | or are we talking some other device | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | lol, of course | 16:18 |
| s1gk1ll | ok, nevermind | 16:19 |
| s1gk1ll | just checking if it was only my "problem" | 16:19 |
| TomaszD | from what I can tell, this is by design, and if you want to disable mass storage you have to re-plug the cable | 16:19 |
| s1gk1ll | ok ok | 16:19 |
| lcuk | it could probably be hacked together (and might actually exist somewhere | 16:19 |
| s1gk1ll | thats what i've been doing | 16:19 |
| s1gk1ll | but thats kinda stupid | 16:19 |
| TomaszD | I'm guessing this is because they want you to be responsible for flushing any incoming data onto the device before disabling mass storage, so that you don't end up with corrupt data | 16:20 |
| s1gk1ll | hmm, i see | 16:20 |
| s1gk1ll | ok tks ;) | 16:21 |
| TomaszD | np | 16:21 |
| TomaszD | (somehow I don't think you got what I just said ;) ) | 16:24 |
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| s1gk1ll | talking to me TomaszD ? | 16:27 |
| TomaszD | yep | 16:27 |
| s1gk1ll | what you mean? | 16:27 |
| TomaszD | about how problematic it would potentially be to be able to disable mass storage from the device | 16:27 |
| TomaszD | I never really thought about it too | 16:28 |
| s1gk1ll | yes, understood it | 16:28 |
| TomaszD | ok | 16:28 |
| s1gk1ll | anyway usb is not my main transfer mode | 16:29 |
| s1gk1ll | i use scp | 16:29 |
| s1gk1ll | its slower i know | 16:29 |
| TomaszD | I only hook it up via usb to pull my gpx tracks off of it, not much more | 16:30 |
| TomaszD | I guess I could use ssh too | 16:30 |
| s1gk1ll | sure | 16:30 |
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| TomaszD | alright, let's test this media im status updater, looks intriguing | 16:31 |
| lcuk | the only IM i use is irc | 16:32 |
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| TomaszD | I idle at jabber, gtalk, skype and ovi | 16:32 |
| TomaszD | although I've no ide why ovi | 16:32 |
| TomaszD | ah, this new thing with PR1.2 made me create an IM account when logging into the ovi store | 16:33 |
| Jaffa | Woohoo, next version of Hermes is going to get ability to pull down phone numbers, addresses and birthdays from LinkedIn (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10801); and also create new contacts as well (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10802) | 16:37 |
| povbot | Bug 10801: Pull down address, phone numbers and Twitter details from LinkedIn | 16:37 |
| povbot | Bug 10802: Allow creation of new contacts from LinkedIn | 16:37 |
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| GAN900 | When does Apple have to comply with MicroUSB charging? | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I think the EU thing was voluntary (BICBW). iPhone 4 should comply if they're going to | 16:39 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Apparently Apple signed up to that voluntariness: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/25149/next-iphone-charges-via-micro-usb | 16:40 |
| tybollt | although as implemented on N900 the microusb connector is fairly fucked up and I really really regret they standardized on something that poor. | 16:41 |
| tybollt | ANYTHING else would've been better | 16:41 |
| moo--- | tybollt: what's the issue with micro-usb? | 16:42 |
| moo--- | I see it progress over mini-usb :) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | i just want inductive charging mats | 16:42 |
| Jaffa | moo---: Apart from it being hard to insert, and prone to breakage (on the N900)? | 16:42 |
| moo--- | and I want nuclear batteries | 16:42 |
| moo--- | last 20 years | 16:43 |
| lcuk | moo---, thats reasonable enough | 16:43 |
| RST38h | while we are at it, can I have a doomsday weapon? or two? | 16:43 |
| Corsac | in 2012 | 16:43 |
| moo--- | Jaffa: you can replace the connector when it wears out... unlike with mini-usb where you would have to replace the port >__> | 16:43 |
| lcuk | putting a nuclear powered cellphone in your pants pocket isnt doomsday? | 16:43 |
| moo--- | lcuk: I don't want to have kids anyway | 16:44 |
| moo--- | the world is overpopulated | 16:44 |
| moo--- | solve two problems once | 16:44 |
| Corsac | well, with a nuclear device, you would still have kids | 16:44 |
| tybollt | moo---: You mean otehr than having to dedicate about two minutes of your time and endless fiddling to get the fucker seated? | 16:44 |
| Corsac | just not sure wether they'll be human | 16:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Naah | 16:44 |
| tybollt | Jaffa++ | 16:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Just a minor contamination threat | 16:44 |
| * lcuk has been pushing and popping usb in and out of multiple devices for ages without even a hint of a problem | 16:44 | |
| moo--- | tybollt: it needs some skill to do it in dark... but it is not harder than putting on contact lenses! | 16:45 |
| * Jaffa does like the fact that his work Blackberry and N900 share a charger; just wish it was easier to get the damned thing in | 16:45 | |
| tybollt | moo---: IT SHOULDNT FUCKING REQUIRE SKILLS | 16:45 |
| tybollt | god damn | 16:45 |
| FIQ | hi | 16:45 |
| FIQ | this mynokia thing | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: I see you have received the official "fuck off" about that MyNokia SMS | 16:45 |
| * moo--- gives tubollt a chill pill | 16:45 | |
| FIQ | can i get rid of it? : < | 16:45 |
| lcuk | jaffa someone mentioned theres a little clip on the back of the plug that can be filed down a little to make insertion easier | 16:45 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Now would be a good time to petition Nokia about 2.5" (or better 3.5") power socket in the upcoming Meego devices =) | 16:46 |
| FIQ | clicking "MyNokia" seems to just re-register it | 16:46 |
| tybollt | Jaffa: You just summed up my very point. Thank you :) | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | FIQ: You can unsubscribe (and there's no feedback if you're currently subscribed or not) or - if you've not upgraded to PR1.2 yet - you can use gcobb's "notmynokia" to prevent you having the choice of "Yes, I'd like to subscribe at this time" and "Yes, I'd very much like to subscribe at this time" | 16:47 |
| FIQ | and this unsubscribe is done.. how? | 16:48 |
| FIQ | i have PR1.2 | 16:48 |
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| jacekowski | well, on mine subscription just failed | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | FIQ: it's in settings | 16:50 |
| FIQ | lucky you are | 16:50 |
| FIQ | ah, there | 16:50 |
| SwedeMike | I wish nokia would enable the possibility of plugging in the charger and swapping batteries while the device is still on. | 16:50 |
| jacekowski | battery is required to smooth out the voltage | 16:51 |
| FIQ | should it come a SMS if the unsubscription succeed? | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | and i don't think charger is powerfull enough to take full load that phone can make | 16:51 |
| FIQ | ah | 16:51 |
| FIQ | now it came | 16:51 |
| FIQ | awesome | 16:51 |
| FIQ | ty | 16:51 |
| jacekowski | so you need battery | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | but i suppose in idle it would be possible to do it like that | 16:52 |
| FIQ | libsdl_ttf in repositories has broken dependicies btw | 16:53 |
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| SwedeMike | jacekowski: I don't care if it's severely frequency throttled during that time, I'd still like to do it | 16:55 |
| FIQ | er | 16:55 |
| FIQ | libsdl-ttf2.0-dev* | 16:55 |
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| jacekowski | SwedeMike: thing is that phone load isn't constant | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | SwedeMike: and charger will have problem taking it | 16:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Charger cannot provide enough power when the cellmo is active. | 16:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have yet to come up with an explanation why it can not power when cellmo is inactive | 16:58 |
| SwedeMike | well, I don't care if I have to put it in offline-mode first and then it'll survive it. | 16:58 |
| SwedeMike | as long as I don't have to reboot. | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, it could suspend-disk. | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | suspend to swap | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Which would be nice. | 16:59 |
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| SwedeMike | yeah, that is fine as well. | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Having said that - suspend-swap is a non-trivial amount of work | 17:00 |
| SwedeMike | it might be better time spent to make the reboot process less impacting, like make it more intelligent when doing the thumbnaild stuff | 17:01 |
| SwedeMike | because that's my major concern when rebooting | 17:01 |
| SwedeMike | or even make thumbnaild be nicer | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | hmm, besides isn't it bme sutting down the phone | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | s/su/shu/ | 17:02 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: hmm, besides isn't it bme shutting down the phone | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: no | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: hyou can tell thumbnailer and stuff to not do that | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | see ~/.config/tracker/ | 17:02 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: yes, I know, but I want it to work out of the box, not just solve it for myself. | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | thumbnaild? | 17:03 |
| alterego | test please: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 17:03 |
| alterego | :) | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | i hate people doing that | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: ? | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | i saw somebody who had time in their status | 17:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | that was annoying | 17:04 |
| * SpeedEvil is now known as SpeedEvil[Farting]. | 17:04 | |
| BCMM | I <3 IRC | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | that's quite a long fart | 17:05 |
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| BCMM | perhaps it disable his computer in some fashion, and he will ping out soon | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | but that's annoying when somebody has status that changes every second | 17:06 |
| BCMM | s/disable/disabled | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:01/4:00] | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:02/4:00] | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:03/4:00] | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:04/4:00] | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:05/4:00] | 17:07 |
| alterego | jacekowski: that's what you get when you aggregate IM statuses ... | 17:08 |
| BCMM | you forgot to use a large number of ♫s | 17:08 |
| sobczyk | esbox supports newer Eclipse versions than 3.4? | 17:08 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.tester.ca/2010/06/26/n900-vs-nexus-one-a-comparison/ | 17:12 |
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| an0therb0x | ovi store is not working for my n900 is this happening for others as well.... oh and englands defense is "absolutely criminal" | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | an0therb0x: ovi store | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | an0therb0x: just forget about it | 17:23 |
| an0therb0x | jacekowski: how do you mean ? | 17:23 |
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| an0therb0x | what is going on with it ? | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | it's a disaster | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | there are no apps in there | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | it's used and developer hostile | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | it's not working for most of time | 17:24 |
| an0therb0x | jacekowski: i wanted to get the sygic gps app | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | get it from sygic | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol lcuk DocScrutinizer, germany 1 - 0 england | 17:24 |
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| jacekowski | not lol | 17:24 |
| jacekowski | it's disaster | 17:25 |
| an0therb0x | final score will be GER 3 - 1 ENG | 17:25 |
| TomaszD | indefinite articles | 17:25 |
| jacekowski | nope, it will be england 2 germany 1 | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | it has to be | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | england should go home! | 17:27 |
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| an0therb0x | sygic gps app says free in ovi store but 50 eur at sygic.com ??? | 17:27 |
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| TomaszD | free trial for 7 days | 17:27 |
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| an0therb0x | TomaszD ... i see that now.. oh well | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 17:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 2-0 | 17:33 |
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| jacekowski | 2:1 | 17:37 |
| LoCusF_ | 2cm from gloves lol | 17:37 |
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| nasso_ | am i the only one that cant find out how to search in the app-installera on the n900? | 17:44 |
| LoCusF_ | go to a category and start typing the term | 17:45 |
| nasso_ | the searchbutton was there but must have been removed in an update. really annoying. | 17:45 |
| nasso_ | LoCusF_, oh ok | 17:46 |
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| nasso_ | that is really bad usability | 17:46 |
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| nasso_ | had no idea i could do that and there is no information about it in the user interface | 17:47 |
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| pupnik | tried the ovi voice navigation on the way home - works great! - thanks nokia! | 18:20 |
| sevard | L I E S | 18:22 |
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| BCMM | pupnik: is that free now? | 18:22 |
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| sevard | where's the love for the n810 | 18:23 |
| pupnik | free -- and it knew the speed limits too - warned me of speeding | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 3-1 xD | 18:24 |
| MiXu-_ | pupnik: Which phone? | 18:24 |
| pupnik | E71 :P | 18:24 |
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| jacekowski | pupnik: ovi voice navigation on n900? | 18:24 |
| MiXu-_ | nope | 18:24 |
| MiXu-_ | I've been pretty happy with it too | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | After Ovi on the N900, I fail to believe it can be good on *anything* | 18:25 |
| MiXu-_ | Although I usually go with N900+Sygic and leave the symbian phone home :) | 18:25 |
| BCMM | pupnik: why are you talking about an E71 app in #maemo? | 18:25 |
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| MiXu-_ | It's better than idling | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: Better than talking about the football :( | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | 3-1 now :( | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | 4-1 :( | 18:26 |
| BCMM | anyway, does the n900 have free voice navigation, ovi or otherwise? | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 18:26 |
| MiXu-_ | Not that I know of | 18:26 |
| pupnik | people here are getting *Way* too happy over this ball+foot thing | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: Mappero can use festival | 18:27 |
| lcuk | lol pupnik | 18:27 |
| sevard | wait | 18:27 |
| sevard | who's playing? | 18:27 |
| jacekowski | omfg | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | That last goal was ridiculous | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, join us in defeat! | 18:27 |
| nidO | BCMM, yes | 18:27 |
| jacekowski | how bad is it going to get | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | sevard: Germany-England | 18:27 |
| sevard | whaaat | 18:27 |
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| sevard | espn3 is blank | 18:27 |
| nidO | also, england living up to expectations of having an utterly nonexistant defence as usual | 18:27 |
| nidO | no suprises there really | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | hahaha, germany ftw! | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | England are so desperate, everyone's up front and no-one's defending. | 18:28 |
| BCMM | nidO: do you mean the same package Jaffa mentioned? | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: stfu | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, watch it | 18:28 |
| * GAN900 is just happy the Rays won last night. :P | 18:28 | |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the world cup channel again? | 18:28 |
| nidO | BCMM, yes, mappero works well | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_51 | 18:28 |
| lcuk | ##world-cup | 18:28 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG51: What country? | 18:28 |
| inz | Should've been 2-1 to england after the first half | 18:28 |
| RST38h | "BBC To Create Internet Protocol TV Standard" | 18:28 |
| * RST38h thinks the Tentacled One should visit BBC corpses and teach 'em reason | 18:29 | |
| nidO | yeh, project canvas got the go-ahead | 18:29 |
| nidO | at last | 18:29 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: what's wrong with iplayer | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | Jaffa, i'm from Jerusalem, Israel | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | 'bout time | 18:29 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG51: i have no idea, but the other day i was in town and everything was weird there, and when i got back someone on IRC told me that's what the world cup is | 18:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: just watched the final, it is cool | 18:29 |
| sevard | 4:1 | 18:29 |
| sevard | hahahaha. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: too cheap, probably? | 18:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, time traveling again | 18:29 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: it's working | 18:29 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: it is, but who is gonna pay BBC corpses their salaries? | 18:30 |
| BCMM | a time machine would be awesome | 18:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A bit heavy on time travel, yes | 18:30 |
| BCMM | imagine spoiling the world cup... | 18:30 |
| RST38h | BCMM <--- thinks small | 18:30 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:31 |
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| * GAN900 plays remerge AIM contacts. | 18:31 | |
| nidO | I reckon it'd be a laugh to win the lottery like 10 times in a row and watch the lottery commission try to figure out how the fuck you're gaming the system | 18:31 |
| RST38h | + evil aliens manage to watch iPlayer thingie not living in the UK. Bad, bad, tax evaders | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | nid0: Except that when you time-travel, you skew the reality | 18:31 |
| sevard | i wish i could watch the cup for free on my blackberry | 18:32 |
| sevard | :p | 18:32 |
| sevard | don't be hating, work gave it to me. | 18:32 |
| RST38h | nid0: So, absolutely no guarantee that the lottery will end up the same | 18:32 |
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| nidO | ah, I didnt realise you were experienced at time-travel | 18:32 |
| nidO | how is it? | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | nid0: Well, in version 1.0, you have not been there. In version 2.0 you are. | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | nid0: Once you are there, events are supposed to start branching. And it has nothing to do with experience, just reasoning. | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | There is of course a "can see / can't change" hypothesis (with more complicated version being "can change, given enough energy to effectively cause all the consequent branching") | 18:34 |
| RST38h | But according to this hyptothesis, you would not be able to play that lottery =) | 18:35 |
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| BCMM | mappero seems to crash when i do most things | 18:39 |
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| nidO | such as? Only way I tend to cause it problems is if i try to pre-download any sizeable amount of map data | 18:39 |
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| nidO | other than that it works fine | 18:40 |
| nidO | for me at least | 18:40 |
| derf | I agree with BCMM. | 18:40 |
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| BCMM | well, anything to do with routes | 18:40 |
| BCMM | using 3.0+beta9 | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Heard GER should shoot own goal for allowing ENG to be less desparate | 18:41 |
| nidO | head to the mappero thread with details then I guess, i've never had any problems with routing | 18:41 |
| nidO | tbh, ger could shoot 3 own goals to force extra time | 18:41 |
| nidO | with england's laughably nonexistant defence they can bang another couple in anytime they want | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | now for 3 own goals they have to hurry now | 18:43 |
| inz | I blame the linesman. | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | \o/ germany | 18:48 |
| ShadowJK | the unapproved goal looks very irrelevant now | 18:49 |
| w00t_ | anyone else experimented with cross-compiling valgrind for arm? | 18:49 |
| * w00t_ is toying with it atm | 18:49 | |
| inz | Shadow, why? | 18:49 |
| an0therb0x | i called 3 -1 got 4 -1 .. close enough | 18:51 |
| an0therb0x | so ovi store is broken now ? | 18:51 |
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| tybollt | " | 19:17 |
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| * pahartik is annoyed by "MicroB" lacking "load this image" entry in context menu of "img" -element | 19:18 | |
| jacekowski | use opera | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or lynx. | 19:18 |
| pahartik | jacekowski: Will try... | 19:19 |
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| pahartik | SpeedEvil: That I do most of time, but not on Maemo | 19:20 |
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| pupnik | "evolution does not teach. it destroys" - Nassim taleb | 19:27 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: EtherPad's a lot better than Google Docs (although lacking an update API, AFAICT) | 19:29 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, bme is writing something to cal | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: umm | 19:48 |
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| ShadowJK | jacekowski, interesting | 19:55 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 19:58 | |
| jacekowski | how many write cycles can /dev/mtd* take? | 19:58 |
| * mortini too. | 19:58 | |
| timeless_mbp | my DVR is trying to kill my LCD | 19:58 |
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| mortini | stabby stabby! | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | mortini: it's more the shocking shocking kind | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | it's trying to electrocute it | 19:59 |
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| DrGrov | Anyone tried to use the Nokia wireless keyboard with the N900? | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: definitle a finite number. BME writing to cal sounds fundamentally odd | 20:01 |
| mortini | timeless_mbp: doesn't seemto have the same ring. | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | mord: it gets a buzz :( | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | DrGrov: I heard the N900 BT-HID doesn't work with Nokia products | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | I think the issue is keyboard layouts | 20:04 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | it looks like it's writing to it every startup | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | and it's writing to block named bme | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | ( that was unexpected ) | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | and it's writing BME-PMM-BLOCK01 | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | and what is it that's written? | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | block itself is 0x600 bytes long | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | so there is more data in it | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: an you paste a bin+hexdump? Does bme also *read* fron cal? what? | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | well, it's reading it back just after the write | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: btw great work! thanks | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | bme wrapper on cal_init finish and write block is at address .text:0001EA08 | 20:10 |
| jacekowski | and function looks like int __cdecl write_cal(const char *name, const void *data, unsigned __int32 data_len, unsigned __int32 flags) | 20:10 |
| jacekowski | there is couple more places where it's writing something | 20:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders about possible purpose of that write | 20:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | reporting for waranty purposes? | 20:13 |
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| jacekowski | let me just dump whole block | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yup. best do it twice and cmp | 20:14 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer-8: ok, then nothing helps. i wanted to get the keyboard when i connect the phone to my tv. | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | DrGrov: sorry, you lost me | 20:15 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer-8: i wanted to use the Nokia wireless keyboard when I have the N900 connected to my tv. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | DrGrov: can you pair it? | 20:16 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer-8: i have not bought it yet since i was uncertain whether it works or not. | 20:21 |
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| DrGrov | How is YouTube working? I just registered myself with my Gmail account. Can I log in with the N900 YouTube app as well? | 20:22 |
| DrGrov | zoutube? | 20:22 |
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| _llll_ | just use the browser | 20:22 |
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| mmarc__ | hi, guys | 20:36 |
| mmarc__ | I'm studying http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example | 20:36 |
| mmarc__ | does it work with Xephyr? | 20:36 |
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| mmarc__ | I've got the following error: X Error of failed request: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) | 20:36 |
| mmarc__ | Major opcode of failed request: 18 (X_ChangeProperty) | 20:36 |
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| mmarc__ | for XChangeProperty(display, window, | 20:37 |
| mmarc__ | XInternAtom(display, "_NET_WM_STATE", True), | 20:37 |
| mmarc__ | XA_ATOM, 32, PropModeReplace, (unsigned char*)&atom, 1) | 20:37 |
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| mmarc__ | why it is not working? The code is exactly taken from wiki page... | 20:38 |
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| mmarc__ | In fact, both XChangeProperty won't work | 20:40 |
| mmarc__ | That's really strange. | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | oh man, if dora the explorer did not sing everywhere, she would be faster than santa | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, we were just watching dora and she travelled from paris to mount kilimanjaro in <30 seconds | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | if she took over santas job, she could get round the world faster than he can | 20:43 |
| lcuk | but she has to sing everywhere she stops | 20:43 |
| lcuk | so it wouldnt work out too well | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I feel glad about not knowing what you talk about :-P | 20:44 |
| lcuk | its ok, me and mrs lcuk said similar :) | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems dora the explora isn't sth I need to know | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it's somehow related to Redmond and particularly some evil company there that 'to explore' incl all derivatives somewhat dropped off my active and maybe even passive vocabulary | 20:47 |
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| mmarc__ | ok, works on device, so it should be Xephyr problem. | 20:50 |
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| DrGrov | The right side slider button is the keylock? Same as using the power button -> Lock keys ? | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:58 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: So the button does not do anything else except lock the keys and screen? | 20:58 |
| th3hate | anyone knows how to install android apps via adb? | 20:58 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I did not even recognize the button before I stumbled upon it during some YouTube videos | 20:58 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I always just used the power button -> Lock keys and screen | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I think it can lock - I assume if does - I don't have my phone setup to lock the screen ever. | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply blank it with the slider. | 20:59 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Ah, so you use just that slider? So that is the way I should go as well. I feel that the power button system is too time consuming. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 21:00 |
| DrGrov | The power button was good but took way too much time to do several times per day. | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | iirc power button doubleclick locks too | 21:01 |
| DrGrov | So perhaps the power button can be customized to do something else then? Yes, that power button doubleclick would be nice to assign to something else then. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit with tweakr | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or in mce.ini | 21:02 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: ah ok, I will download tweakr to see what I can do with it. Thank you | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:02 |
| DrGrov | I just feel very uncomfortable with that slider lock mechanism | 21:02 |
| DrGrov | But I will now try to get used to that one. A time saver definitely.. | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | ok after looking into it | 21:03 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like bme has it's own wrapper on cal functions | 21:03 |
| jacekowski | that's clever enough to read before write | 21:03 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: can you do something for me? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: jacekowski.org/bme - download that and send me back result | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | it's just reading bme data from cal | 21:05 |
| jacekowski | result will go to stdout | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | paste me cmdline here, please | 21:06 |
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| jacekowski | ./bme | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | to install & run | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | wget jacekowski.org/bme | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | ./bme > file | 21:06 |
| jacekowski | and i think you have to be root to read cal | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?! wget not found??? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 21:07 |
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| jacekowski | apt-get install wget | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 is to be installed | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try this on a clean system | 21:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG51 with a large slimy trout | 21:10 | |
| jacekowski | i'm just wondering if there is going to be any difference | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK the new search option in HAM!! "ssh" only gives me "SSH Status and Switcher" | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, shouldn't you be at some pub now? | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | germany mopped the floor with england | 21:14 |
| jacekowski | well, it's shame for poland as well | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | 2 polish players scored 2 goals | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | for enemy | 21:15 |
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| * RST38h smirks | 21:19 | |
| mmarc__ | Is there EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT support on maemo? Cannot get configs with this attr set. | 21:19 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you managed to fix it? | 21:23 |
| pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/QxJvh.jpg world cup soccer geometry | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'm about to wonder where TF I've seen the one-click catalog-enable for extras-testing and extras-devel. Seems to have vanished from wiki | 21:24 |
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| pupnik | that referee might want to avoid england for a while | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | he's probably german | 21:27 |
| DrGrov | fucking nice that England is out of the WC | 21:28 |
| RST38h | "It has been years since the United States has had good intelligence on the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin laden, although he is thought to be in Pakistan, CIA director Leon Panetta said on Sunday." | 21:28 |
| * DrGrov is so happy | 21:28 | |
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| RST38h | The "secret" is out =) | 21:28 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: that has been the official line since Tora Bora | 21:32 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ssh wont show on normal list once you have installed it anyway | 21:34 |
| lcuk | otherwise typing ssh will bring it up | 21:34 |
| mikki-kun | whoah, finally a cool alarm-app... evilalarm :D hopefully it really is what i need ^^ | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: umm... | 21:34 |
| RST38h | pupnik: No, the official line has been "we will get him any day now" =) | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: no ssh installed ever, still doesn't show up (prolly needs extras-testing/devel repo) | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, and now I got Dropbear, but not full SSH | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Am I wrong or was there a normal fullsize (non Dropbear) ssh server&client metapackage on 1.1.1? | 21:39 |
| jacekowski | it's still in 1.2 | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | at least on my phone | 21:40 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh/ | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | exact name? | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | ehhh | 21:41 |
| jacekowski | can anybody else run that program and send me the result? | 21:41 |
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| Jaffa | jacekowski: Which program? | 21:42 |
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| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/bme | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke HAM-1.2 | 21:42 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at HAM-1.2 ... B☢☢M! | 21:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: HAM doesn't find OpenSSH on search for 'ssh' >:-((( | 21:43 |
| lcuk | check your repositories and installed apps :P | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: scrolling to OpneSSH in "all" category takes about 5 minutes | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: It's there, HAM just doesn't FIND it!! | 21:44 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: why not search for "openssh"? | 21:44 |
| RST38h | well openssh does not start with ssh | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: because that wouldn't reveal fsck-up-ness of HAM | 21:45 |
| lcuk | it comes up on installed apps when i just search for ssh,i will now remove it and check on the list | 21:45 |
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| mikki-kun | well, i am currently i install mood and am installing like a jerk apps which look interessting | 21:46 |
| RST38h | very nice to know | 21:47 |
| mikki-kun | would be cool to see the statics of apps | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If I would care a little bit more, I'd file a bug against HAM-1.2: "REGRESSION: search doesn't find substrings in packet description" | 21:47 |
| mikki-kun | like "when it was updated, changelog, user comments, downloads"... | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | it does - but you are right, theres something odd | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | brother, successfully installed OpenSSH c&s meta, after as short as 30min | 21:48 |
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| mikki-kun | and also know where the apps actually go when installed... | 21:48 |
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| mikki-kun | at least "installable" in the "status" tells me not much tbh | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, search does include descriptions.. the openssh one does not mention ssh :p | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | epic fail | 21:49 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer you are fail | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: nevertheless search should find substrings as well | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you are offending | 21:50 |
| Jaffa | mikki-kun: Almost the apps in maemo.org/downloads/ will go into /opt (if they're over a particular size). If you want more technical detail, have a look at http://maemo.org/packages/. This includes the Extras-testing QA queue of apps their authors think are ready for sign-off from people willing to test them to get into Extras. | 21:50 |
| RST38h | you are all fail | 21:50 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer don't cry | 21:50 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: +1 to that | 21:50 |
| RST38h | we are all fail | 21:50 |
| * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer | 21:51 | |
| Jaffa | mikki-kun: There's a project to merge the backends, so that maemo.org/downloads/ can present more information | 21:51 |
| * ZogG play's with DocScrutinizer's thing | 21:51 | |
| * ZogG is getting really nasty | 21:51 | |
| RST38h | his n900, you mean? | 21:51 |
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| ZogG | Jaffa hey, is Quil only one way of cantact with Nokia? | 21:51 |
| ZogG | contact* | 21:52 |
| RST38h | Quim | 21:52 |
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| mikki-kun | Jaffa: wuhu \o/ that's what i will install asap then :) i know that i can look up the package online and see there more information, but that is sometimes a lil too much for a lazy person to do ^^ well, at least atm i am a lil... | 21:52 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, when I try to uphrade an app, it says "conflicting packages" - when i type "apt-get upgrade" in xterm, it wants to upgrade a pile of apps, including xserver*. Is this correct? | 21:53 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, =( | 21:55 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: i am not sure, but i think that shouldn't be the case... | 21:57 |
| mikki-kun | are you using repos from other sources than maemo.org? | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so? | 21:57 |
| Trizt | LuciusMare; which app and which version of maemo do you have? pr1.1.1 or? | 21:57 |
| LuciusMare | mikki-kun: i am not aware of it, i will check | 21:58 |
| LuciusMare | Trizt: pr 1.1, but just to make sure, where do I get it? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: where to? | 21:58 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: settings --> about product | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: do you have the file? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | hmm, pastebin would mess up line endings | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | so diff would be hard | 21:59 |
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| jacekowski | temp@jacekowski.org: | 22:00 |
| LuciusMare | Trizt: it's not exactly said here, version: 3.2010.02-8 | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | password is temp | 22:00 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: that should be pr 1.1.1 from what i know... (am not sure though) | 22:01 |
| Trizt | LuciusMare; it's pre 1.2 and the package you try to install depends on that you have pr1.2 installed | 22:01 |
| mikki-kun | i would recommend to install the most up to date firmware being pr 1.2 | 22:02 |
| LuciusMare | I don't remember I actually upgraded... | 22:02 |
| mikki-kun | it isn't hard, but you need a backup of your contents you don't want to loose | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/1667/579/bme.dump | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: this is on a clean new device with 1.2 OTA upgrade | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hth | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:/tmp# diff bme.dump bme_running | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | Binary files bme.dump and bme_running differ | 22:03 |
| LuciusMare | mikki-kun: Does it have a lot of bugs? And what content will be rewritten? | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | i've deleted that temp account | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ?? | 22:05 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: from what i see it doesn't have bugs (at least i haven't experienced any or saw them as "features" ;) ) | 22:05 |
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| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: i can say though, that it isn't a marvelous improvment, it just makes things a lil nicer and faster... | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | mikki-kun: ah, those bugs! :P okay, thanks | 22:06 |
| mikki-kun | and your whole rootfs will be rewritten | 22:06 |
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| LuciusMare | and, "nicer"? :) | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there are some differences | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | mikki-kun: including my /home? | 22:06 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, the camera e.g. got a nightvision mode... | 22:06 |
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| mikki-kun | ohh, speaking of with... there is bug with manual iso-setting ^^ | 22:06 |
| LuciusMare | heh | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | besides, output format of that program is a disaster | 22:07 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: i think pr1.2 needs you to reflash your emmc as well | 22:07 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 22:07 |
| mikki-kun | you can copy your stuff to your microsd and then have it backed up there | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: who cares | 22:07 |
| LuciusMare | I think I'll just stick with my unupgradable pre 1.2 :) | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/bme_running | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | that's mine | 22:08 |
| LuciusMare | When should 1.2 be released? | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/bme_diff | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | that's diff | 22:08 |
| mikki-kun | LuciusMare: i would go and install it.. you'll get a 'brandnew' phone ;) | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | 1st collumn is byte number, 2nd is byte as number and 3rd as char | 22:09 |
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| jacekowski | so 2nd collumn is important | 22:09 |
| LuciusMare | with "output of camera program disaster" :P | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | 548 252 | 548 2 . | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | no, i'm talking about that program that dumps bme data from cal | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: LuciusMare : NO 1.2 DOE NOT need reflash of eMMC | 22:10 |
| LuciusMare | jacekowski: oh, you were not talking to me... But it looked just as you would :P | 22:10 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: ok, i just read it somewhere and assumed it was right | 22:10 |
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| jacekowski | LuciusMare: 1.2 was released month ago | 22:11 |
| LuciusMare | L< | 22:11 |
| LuciusMare | Okay, I will flash it, thank you :) | 22:12 |
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| mmarc__ | guys, could you please help to understand: eglChooseConfig return available configs that are equal or better to the specified one. I'm wondering how it comes I specify EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE = EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT for configs to match, but in returned 4 configs noone matches EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT. What's wrong with it? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: output of diff surely IS a desaster | 22:14 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: but shouldn't one flash his emmc as well, due to /opt/... i mean, there could be some dead libraries left (not killing your sys, just eating a lil bit of space away) | 22:14 |
| mmarc__ | well, one chance when it could happen eglCooseConfig returns something *better* than EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT, correct? Then, what is it? | 22:16 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like i've found code that's doing all battery calculations | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | code as in ARM bytecode? | 22:20 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:21 |
| teilzeitstudent_ | After installing a couple of apps, they apear to miss a few (button) icons; some work, some dont. Is there a way to figure out if thats a bug in the app or some icon caching issue? | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | well, as in i know what's calling it what is it doing | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | and that sort of stuff | 22:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | OMFG, got 71 WPM on my lappy :D | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | what are you using to test that? | 22:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, typingtest.com | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | got 58 on my N900 when it worked, it's not working now | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | GAN got 64 | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: you could rm -rf /opt/* prior to flashing PR1.2 rootfs | 22:30 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: simple and easy solution... good idea ^^ | 22:31 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: what is WPM? words per minute? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway SSU doesn't reflash eMMC, so why should flashing 1.2 rootfs need that? | 22:31 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: what did you do to break it? :p | 22:31 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51 \o/ | 22:31 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: works for me... | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | 15 WPM it claims on N900 | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | proof N900 has crappy kb :D | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | 53 with zero errors | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | the double quotes killed me | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | quotes are annoying on british keyboard as well | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I can easily with a bit more practice hit 35 | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | because " is on shitf +2 | 22:36 |
| * luke-jr wonders which keyboard he has | 22:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | But much more than that is a bit tricky. | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i don't belive in that 71 | 22:36 |
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| luke-jr | 23 WPM on Aesop | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | how do I know which N900 keyboard I have? | 22:38 |
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| luke-jr | Sym/Ctrl, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, U, I, O, P, [;,], Backspace -- Fn, A, S, D, F, G, H, J, K, L, [:.], Up, Enter -- Shift, Z, X, C, V, B, N, M, Space, Left, Down, Right | 22:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: if you don't have interesting letters, you have the English/Dutch layout | 22:41 |
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| Jaffa | ZogG: There are numerous people who are contactable within Nokia. qgil is the "community manager" and "open source advocate", so an ideal choice most of the time. | 22:53 |
| Jaffa | ZogG: But many many Nokians are just as much as part of the community as anyone else. | 22:53 |
| Jaffa | ZogG: Including many people on this channel. | 22:53 |
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| alterego | test plox?!?!? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ | 23:14 |
| ptl | plox? | 23:14 |
| ptl | you mean "test, please"? | 23:15 |
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| alterego | yes, you, do it :P | 23:15 |
| ptl | Ok. I will | 23:15 |
| alterego | :) | 23:15 |
| alterego | Grrr my eyes are so painful right now. | 23:16 |
| alterego | and itchy, damn hay fevetr | 23:16 |
| ptl | Why? Lack of sleep? | 23:16 |
| ptl | oh... | 23:16 |
| alterego | Yeah, and lack of sleep. | 23:16 |
| ptl | last week I thought I was gonna die. I was feeling very bad and couldn't sleep well. That was the first week of my Atkins (no carbohydrates) diet. | 23:16 |
| ptl | But now I got better... | 23:17 |
| alterego | I just wanna get this new version into extras so I can happily start working on my next project. | 23:17 |
| alterego | Meh, diets are silly. | 23:17 |
| sevard | your mom's a diet. | 23:17 |
| ptl | not so silly if they work for you to get more chicks :) | 23:17 |
| vldcnst | haha | 23:17 |
| ptl | my internet is slow, I shouldn't have done apt-get update | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The atkins diet is guaranteed to get you chicks. | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Though not many veg. | 23:19 |
| ptl | lol | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Simple calorie counting has worked well for me. | 23:19 |
| proycon | I just got a n900 and am wondering whether it plays nicely with fuse+sshfs .. I see sshfs is only in extras-devel? is it stable enough for normal usage? | 23:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | you mean to access remote devices fss fromthe n900? | 23:20 |
| proycon | yeah, my main fileserver | 23:21 |
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| ptl | Never counted calories in my life... You absorb calories from different food differently and also your body uses and stores them very differently. Low glicemy products have low potential to make your fatter, high glicemy have much bigger potential to do that. And also, most fat is not stored, but discarded, and these are very caloric food. | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: did you get the whole channel talking about weightloss again? | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | Gotta ask... | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Naah | 23:22 |
| ptl | only me | 23:22 |
| crashanddie | then join #dieting | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | 3 hours ago my phone had just lost about 20% of battery. Should a battery last for another 12 hours or so? | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | I would require some kind of monitoring tool to check up on my battery | 23:23 |
| ptl | I think it should be ##dieting, otherwise it would have to be an official channel for that :P | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: All the research I have found says that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. That is peer-reviewed stuff. | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | It is strange how much it keeps changing | 23:23 |
| ptl | DrGrov: battery eye | 23:23 |
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| DrGrov | ptl: ok, i will check it out. | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | ptl: thanks | 23:24 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, just find a charger and be sure? like a car miles remaining estimate, it all depends on how you drive the vehicle | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | i hope my battery has nothing wrong in it | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: The battery meter inbuilt has enormous issues. | 23:24 |
| * lcuk rarely sees it as a problem | 23:24 | |
| DrGrov | lcuk: yes, i will find myself a charger for the night to try. | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: how big is enormous?? | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Well - quitelarge. | 23:25 |
| alterego | I see little point in diets, eat healthy and exsercise. | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: hard to lose 20kg/6 mo with excersize. And there is a difference between diet and portion control IMO. | 23:25 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, perhaps then I will need to give battery eye a test run. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | alterego, those who diet and goto gym just make themselves more attractive to godzilla when it comes to your city and ravishes the population | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I am not 100% confident that this battery really has any problems at all. I am more towards that widgets are the blame. | 23:26 |
| lcuk | "don't eat my; i'm a couch junkie who eats cheetos" | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Get powertop | 23:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I am unsure if apt-get install powertop will work | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: in extras-devel or testing or just good ol' extras? | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it's in either | 23:26 |
| alterego | It's so hot right now, sweating like a piggy | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | I have seen that the Conversations Inbox widget is not very good at all to use. | 23:27 |
| alterego | test my package dagnamit so I can work on my next project :P | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | extras-devel apparantly | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | My phone lagged like a old grandma riding a bike | 23:27 |
| ptl | alterego: can you check my status messages? gtalk - patola@gmail.com ; msn - patola123@hotmail.com ; skype - powerpatola ; ovi account - patolinux | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Also - cpumem-applet is great | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: and top is good too | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | That is why the SimpleBlue theme was a PITA, not because of the theme but because of Conversations Inbox widget. | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (sshd into device - top or htop.) | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: i use top on a daily basis. i prefer htop though and conky. | 23:28 |
| ptl | SpeedEvil: you forgot powertop, even better to look into battery-consuming processes | 23:28 |
| alterego | ptl: that would mean adding you and stuff, don't you have any friends online you can ask? | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (09:26:27 PM) SpeedEvil: DrGrov: Get powertop | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: I'm currently ytying to write a better powertop. I know all about it. | 23:28 |
| alterego | ptl: also, if it sholws up under your accounts from the status bar applet it's working :P | 23:28 |
| ptl | alterego: I wouldn't like to engage in conversations right now, it's difficult to leave them afterwards | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | I am becoming increasingly aware that perhaps the battery as I said is not the main problem but bad coding... Perhaps not? Or perhaps yes? | 23:29 |
| alterego | ptl: check, then sign off :) Or block the person you ask :D | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: Are you ever transferring data over 4g? | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 3g | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | 3g | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: 3g perhaps? | 23:29 |
| ptl | alterego: Yes, I am watching that screen right now, but would you consider that good enough to test? | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | Skype/gtalk/msn/irc on 3g is a battery-killer | 23:29 |
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| ShadowJK | facebook widget eats battery like mad, and I've heard same thing about some twitter widget.. | 23:30 |
| alterego | ptl: for me, yes. Because I've tested through different accounts and know it works. So as long as that shows up for you, I'm 99.9 percent sure it's working fine. | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | Not much skype, gtalk, msn, irc at the moment. and no 3g never almost. just wifi at home. sometimes 3g if absolutely necessary. | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: you got a PM | 23:31 |
| alterego | ShadowJK: so does IM if you're on 3G ... | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | alterego, I think I just listed the most common IMs :) | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | Oh damn, I need to remember to take my charger when I go to sleep... | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: If your wifi does not do powersaving properly, you can use lots more power. | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | Where did I put this actually? | 23:32 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I actually use perhaps only 1 hour per day in average | 23:32 |
| alterego | Oh okay :P | 23:32 |
| ptl | dang | 23:32 |
| Proteous | if you lock your phone to GSM and don't use 3g then the battery drain is minimal | 23:32 |
| ptl | got stuck | 23:32 |
| ptl | damn msn | 23:33 |
| alterego | That's what I do. | 23:33 |
| DrGrov | I keep my phone always locked in GSM | 23:33 |
| DrGrov | I switch with the 2G/3G applet when I need to check something | 23:33 |
| Proteous | yeah | 23:33 |
| tybollt | the operator "3" in .se doesn't have gsm at all in their network :) | 23:33 |
| Proteous | I keep an ssh connection going all day and with GSM the battery drain is very small, with the phone in 3g mode I'd be lucky to get through 8 hours | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, what kind of battery life does this give you? | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | it would be nice if phone could be configured to go to 2g if it's in indle | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | idle* | 23:34 |
| alterego | I do, until I want to do some browsing, or I'm at a wall outlet/anykind of power. | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, i saw a script like that on tmo | 23:34 |
| pahartik | DrGrov: It would be nice to have inverted preference of mobile network uplink... GPRS would be preferred, switching to WCDMA whenever that is not reachable... | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: indeed, if your calorie intake is higher than what your body consumes, fat ensues. Obviously, depending on the kind of physical activity you go through, specific foods are better/worse for you, but as a whole, a calorie is a calorie, 100% agreed with you. | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: It gives me approximately 2 days without any issues. | 23:34 |
| ptl | :| | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | pahartik: yes, that would be a lot better though the speed would become an issue. | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, that sounds normal then | 23:35 |
| ptl | alterego: congratulations, the new options for streaming and movie seem nice :) lemme try watching a flick, music seems ok | 23:35 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes there was a nice implantable blood glucose -> electricity module. With a little inductuve clip-on charger. | 23:35 | |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: yes, I think so too. Just the issue apparently is not so much what I do with the phone but what I run in the background. Widgets etc. | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | This would incidentally solve the 'how do I charge my phone' problem. | 23:36 |
| Proteous | "get thin while powering your gadgets!!" | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | I try to minimize all my widgets | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | As the answer would then be 'eat a potato'. | 23:36 |
| Proteous | heh | 23:36 |
| Proteous | you can just implant a turbind in one of your bigger arteries | 23:36 |
| Proteous | turbine | 23:36 |
| Proteous | or attach some pezio generators to your heart | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, the thing about widgets is that badly written ones can check stuff all the time even when screen is off.. and since they're always active this eats alot over time | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | you notice that widgets like foreca don't ever update unless it's actually visible | 23:37 |
| alterego | ptl: thanks :) | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | One of the more amusing things I found recently. | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: "Some scientists believe that the piezoelectric material produced nano line to stay perfect in our blood cells – then using the blood flow they could generate and supply power portable devices medical stimulators and any other inventors portable devices." | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Batteryeye' (IIRC - I may have got the name wrong) wakes the CPU 60 times a second. | 23:38 |
| DrGrov | Now I need to test that SimpleBlue theme once I got rid of that irritating widget :D | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Even with the screenblanked. | 23:38 |
| pahartik | DrGrov: Of course it should be configurable while running, just like WCDMA/dual/GPRS... | 23:38 |
| alterego | ptl: don't forget to vote :P | 23:40 |
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| ptl | alterego: ok, all my tests worked beautifully, seems to be working alright, couldn't test streaming (I do not know a good streaming source) and got stuck into conversations (people keep trying to talk to me when I don't want it) :P | 23:44 |
| DrGrov | Now I put it for charging, will be interesting to see how long it takes | 23:45 |
| alterego | ptl, cool. | 23:45 |
| alterego | I quite liked the French Qui station :) | 23:46 |
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| DrGrov | pahartik: it should not be impossible to achieve such a configuration. | 23:47 |
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| pahartik | DrGrov: It might depend on whether such feature is available from that closed system that runs on mobile uplink side of device? | 23:49 |
| DrGrov | pahartik: I presume it could be made up as the AutoDisconnect but instead for AutoConnection... | 23:51 |
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| DrGrov | pahartik: It would automatically choose what connection to prefer and not change it unless the user wants to use a different connection method. | 23:56 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:57 |
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| asj_ | DrGrov: I don't thjink it would be hard to do at all | 23:58 |
| pahartik | DrGrov: Well, if one wants to have 24/7 mobile uplink... GPRS could be preferred but WCDMA not disabled | 23:59 |
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| asj_ | DrGrov: basically turn off autoconnect, then poll periodically for the network status, and/or listen prediocally for dbus messages that might relate and switch the network as required, whihc can probably be done with dbus anyways | 23:59 |
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