IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-06-07

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Sebas1is there any nice guide for ubuntu netbook for dualboot?00:01
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MeceI'm out. nighty night00:11
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Sebas1anyone know something about chinook app? runs drupal and sqllite under scratchbox/
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pigeonis there a standard way on the n900 to restart the window manager/desktop/X?00:36
SpeedEvilkillall hildon-desktop00:36
SpeedEvilor reboot00:36
lcukyes pigeon, reboot00:36
SpeedEvilI don't think you can restart X easily00:36
SpeedEvilI think the watchdog kicks in and reboots the device if X dies00:36
* SpeedEvil realises this would be easy to test.00:37
lcuk(simplest method anyway)00:37
SpeedEvilyeah - looks like it's rebooting00:37
SpeedEvilOf course, I would have to actually pick it up off the floor to test this.00:38
Sebas1nice to make reboot shortcut menu also00:38
SpeedEvilI hear a noise!00:38
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SpeedEvilMr Nokia Hands.00:38
SpeedEvilSo yes, it makes it reboot00:38
jacekowskiit's not a watchdog00:38
jacekowskiit's dsme00:38
jacekowskiwatchdog resets phone if dsme dies00:38
jacekowskiso watchdog is only making sure that dsme is alive00:39
jacekowskiand dsme takes care of the rest00:39
kleetusanyone know how to make the media player app on the n900 mark the position of a played file, so if the app closes you can come back to where you left off?00:39
crashanddiekleetus: not supported00:39
jacekowskikleetus: you should be thankfull that it remembers last played file00:39
ManoftheSeait's not good at playlists, either.00:40
ManoftheSeaaka, setting them up.00:40
kleetussux for podcast where the length can be 2 hours and you have to come back later to finish it up00:40
pigeonsounds like another candidate for the brainstorm page...00:40
rangekleetus: There is some basic audiobook player in the repos.00:40
rangeWhich is supposed to do that iirc.00:41
PolarFoxkleetus: panucci does that :)00:41
kleetusrange:  thanks!00:41
rangeOr panucci.00:41
rangeTrue, forgot about that :)00:41
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: there is so much suboptimal stuff on n90000:41
PolarFoxI use Panucci for my audio book needs.. :)00:41
MohammadAG51morning lcuk00:42
rangeAh well. At least with 1.2 the media player doesn't stumble over it's own feet when a mail or an sms arrives.00:42
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lcukheh distracted from coding00:42
PolarFoxPanucci could pause when call arrives... :)00:42
MohammadAG51no no no don't leave!00:42
* noobmonk3y waves00:42
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SpeedEviljacekowski: It is a watchdog - something resets the phone when X dies. Exactly how that is implemented is a seperate question.00:44
kleetusPolarFox:  Panucci works well, thanks!00:44
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luke-jrWho's Tomi?00:53
luke-jrhe broke OMAP video in 2.6.33 and it hasn't compiled since -.-00:53
ham5watchdog just resets if the kernel hangs shouldent even worrie about processes .. ie x00:53
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lcukluke-jr, ?00:54
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luke-jrlcuk: you're Gary, not Tomi00:54
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povbot`Bug 16144: was not found.00:57
luke-jrf u povbot`00:57
crashanddieluke-jr: chill00:57
MohammadAG51hey crashanddie00:57
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dotblankThere is a chip that hw accelerates decoding right?01:08
dotblankhow would I go about using it?01:08
dotblankdoes it work for mp3?01:08
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ShadowJKIt's not used for mp3 in maemo501:11
ShadowJKmpeg4/asp and h264 baseline are accelerated atleast01:12
ShadowJKif you access it through mafw or gstreamer01:12
vldcnstdotblank: ls /lib/dsp01:13
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MohammadAG51ShadowJK, what's it used for (audio) then?01:15
MohammadAG51I'll reconvert my whole library :)01:15
ShadowJKall audio is done on CPU01:15
ShadowJKwell except maybe the speech codecs during calls..01:16
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ssvbluke-jr: Tomi is known as tomba here in #beagle channel01:20
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ssvbluke-jr: but I think he even does not have the hardware to test changes in the old omapfb driver, so he has to rely on guys like you and that Sergey Lapin01:23
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ssvbluke-jr: just revert that broken commit, test whether it works properly and submit a patch01:24
jacekowski Tested-by: Sergey Lapin <>01:26
jacekowskithat's why i don't believe in anything developed by community01:26
MohammadAG51why should we believe in your chromium port then :)01:27
* MohammadAG51 expects a "you shouldn't"01:28
jacekowskiyou shouldn't01:28
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asjMohammadAG51: "'cause I'm more aweseome" ;)01:28
jacekowskii'm not going to let down your expectations01:28
MohammadAG51asj, malformed signle quote01:28
asjMohammadAG51: and if you want to be picky, missing (01:29
jacekowskigoing back to being cool01:29
MohammadAG51asj, nope, that's processed as a unicode smiley01:29
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MohammadAG51just import smileys01:30
jacekowskii think it would be easy patch to patch bme to use kernel driver to talk to charger/fuel gauge01:30
asjMohammadAG51: I don't do python01:30
jacekowskithen just make simple driver to match it01:30
MohammadAG51asj, what do you "do" then?01:30
jacekowskiand log whatever is it doing with it01:30
asjMohammadAG51: pretty much anything else, except ruby.01:30
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luke-jrssvb: It either doesn't work, or something else is wrong01:45
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ssvbluke-jr: anyway, the fact that nobody has noticed the problem for such a long time is amazing01:48
luke-jrssvb: and sad01:49
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w00t_frals: ping01:53
fralsw00t_: pong01:53
luke-jrssvb: anyhow, there's no /dev/fb0 when I try to boot it01:54
w00t_frals: added a few commits cleaning up /src/ a bit, i'm gonna try split onehand-fkb.c up into smaller files, unless you've an objection01:54
fralsw00t_: sounds good, go for it :)01:55
luke-jrbut that could simply be lack of board support01:55
w00t_files that large make my head hurt01:55
fralsw00t_: yeah, same here01:55
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luke-jrssvb: in fact, it almost certainly is. sucks that it's impossible to get display working on N8x0 without CBus01:56
luke-jranother sad problem: OMAP-MMC is broken in mainline too :/01:56
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ssvbluke-jr: regarding framebuffer, it may be a good idea for N8x0 to try switching to DSS2 (drivers/video/omap2) in the long run01:59
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luke-jrssvb: until CBus, we have nothing..02:00
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ssvbluke-jr: Felipe Balbi is doing some work on CBus according to linux-omap git changelogs02:01
luke-jrssvb: linux-omap != linux-master02:02
ssvbluke-jr: the work needs to be done *somewhere* before it gets to linux-master02:03
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luke-jrssvb: like a cbus-only branch tracking master02:04
ssvbluke-jr: would you like it better if nobody was touching this stuff at all?02:04
luke-jrno, just hoping you might know of one02:04
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luke-jrthe DSS2 driver doesn't seem to support the Epson display02:04
fralsw00t_: pushed the control file now that gitorious is responding again02:05
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w00t_frals: excellent02:07
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ohwhymeMohammadAG51: u there? I tried to purge the packages and then install 0.7 and it still doesnt work02:17
MohammadAG51readd the account02:17
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ohwhymewhen i delete the account and create a new one it just says not signed in02:22
ohwhymegoes directly to it02:22
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MohammadAG51sure you uninstalled telepathy-haze?02:23
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ohwhymeI think so but I will do it again to make sure02:25
ohwhymeit seems to work with msn and yahoo02:27
ohwhymebut not aim02:27
ohwhymei click on sign in and it just stays there02:27
ohwhymeit wont go to the next screen02:28
MohammadAG51i think it's an avahi daemon issue02:29
MohammadAG51rebooting is the easiest solution02:29
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ohwhymeok gonna reboot02:32
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crashanddiemc_teo`: let last time be a warning. When you're banned, do not evade the ban.02:36
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crashanddiemc_teo`: also, if you ever post referring links ever again, I'll make sure you get lined from freenode as a whole, understood?02:40
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crashanddieglad we could agree on that.02:46
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mc_teo``crashanddie: what referring links?02:47
crashanddiemc_teo``: the website that harvested other people's browsing history02:47
crashanddiemc_teo``: thinking about it, I shouldn't have removed the ban02:47
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mc_teo``that site just uses a css exploit to check your history for porn sites02:47
mc_teo``for the lulz02:47
crashanddieand sends you results02:48
crashanddieso I'll be very clear: fuck off with those kind of things, understood?02:48
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vldcnstscript kiddies ftl.02:48
mc_teo``ill be good02:48
crashanddiecool, thanks.02:48
mc_teo``vldcnst: i am not a skiddie02:48
mc_teo``on the chain of evolution, i skipped that link02:49
vldcnstand I'm not human. your point?02:49
ohwhymei sense negative vibes02:50
mc_teo``i was simply responding, not starting a new point02:50
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ohwhymehello speedevil how are you02:52
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ohwhymeMohammadAG51: The aim account still won't sign in02:52
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SpeedEvilohwhyme: Having my network connection sort-of-work again02:53
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ohwhymethat sounds nice hehe02:54
MohammadAG51ohwhyme, not really sure, it worked for MSN (same protocol)02:54
ohwhymeare you the developer?02:55
ohwhymei guess 0.8 won't increase my chances hehe02:55
MohammadAG51you disbled devel right?02:56
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ohwhymeon 0.7 right now02:59
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Sebas1is there a way to auto save all passwords on website to a prog>03:03
Sebas1llike keepass there addon :)03:03
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ohwhymeshould i update to 0.8?03:06
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Termanagood morning03:32
Ken-YoungGood evening03:35
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DocScrutinizerTermana: morning03:45
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DocScrutinizerTermana: good news: I *might* get the "missing page" of schematics, to know about testpad functions... eventually03:46
TermanaOh, theres a missing page from those leaked schematics?03:47
DocScrutinizerobviously there are quite some details missing in the schematics03:47
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DocScrutinizerdunno if they were deleted on purpose, or just left out as they're not relevant for 'normal' operation of device03:48
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SpeedEvilThe testpad schematics aren't very interesting to servicepeople.03:48
SpeedEvilAs they arlready have the adaptors setup to plug onto them.03:48
TermanaAh, well at least I haven't gone totally crazy. Not a great schematic reader, but I read them on the advice of someone on the meego-dev mailing list when I enquired about the serial testpads03:48
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DocScrutinizerand yes, probably you could aggregate all those missing details on an additional schematics page, though I doubt such a page exists03:49
TermanaOf course, I didn't see anything about them, and obviously there was nothing TO see about them03:49
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SpeedEvilyou can tell lmited stuff about them.03:49
DocScrutinizervery limited03:49
SpeedEvilFor example - if the UART1 is connected to the modem, it's not likley to be connected to testpads only03:50
DocScrutinizeruart3 seems unused as of the schematics, so it's agood candidate03:50
TermanaWell again, not a great schematic reader. It doesn't help being 16, not an EE of an sort, and never concerning myself with hardware only software :P03:50
SpeedEvilyeah - 16 is starting late.03:51
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SpeedEvilThough to be fair - the schematic of the sinclair spectrum was slightly simpler than the n900 :)03:51
DocScrutinizerTermana: that's why we tell you - to prod you and assure you didn't fail because of own incompetence :-D03:51
DocScrutinizeralso keep up hope for a serial console plug coming eventually03:52
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DocScrutinizerif the "secret info" way fails, then I still got a plan-B03:53
DocScrutinizerbut it's annoying cumbersome procedure03:53
TermanaPlan B MAWAHAHAHAHA :P03:53
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, whats that - test each one until you find the right one?03:55
DocScrutinizerbtw it's amazing how our 'official' contacts to Nokia fail to acquire such terribly needed info03:55
SpeedEvilAttach oscilloscope to test pads.03:55
DocScrutinizerTermana: exactly03:55
SpeedEvilActivate the I2C busses03:55
SpeedEvilSee if there is any traffic03:55
SpeedEvilrepeat with everything that might be brought out03:56
SpeedEvilthough some of the things you won't be able to probe easily as they will be the modem, for which we have no docs03:56
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: my approach vould look like 'cat /dev/rnd >/dev/uart3'03:56
SpeedEvilyeah, that sort of thing03:56
SpeedEvilAnd then start feeding in 1.8V logic signals into stuff if you're feeling brave.03:57
DocScrutinizerthat's the more funny part03:57
Termana<DocScrutinizer> yeyayau <------ This is DocScrutinizer wetting his pants with excitement :P03:58
DocScrutinizerI'd more prefer to look up GPIO of uart3-tx, and wiggle that pin on primary GPIO function03:59
SpeedEvilthat sort of thing too03:59
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DocScrutinizerfeeding random signal to random testpoint is too brave even for a crazy dog like me :-P04:00
DocScrutinizerbut honestly, WHY is Nokia REFUSING TO DISCLOSE such silly simple noncritical info?? >:-(04:01
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DocScrutinizerdamn, a sinkle line like "J2000: UART3-RX, TX, CTS, RTS // VDD, GND, GND" would be all we need. maybe a nice "Note: 1V8 LV-RS232"04:03
DocScrutinizersingle even04:03
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asjDocScrutinizer: because it's easier not too04:05
TermanaI know a little off-topic and everyones a Google/Android hater. But the Googlians had no problem in immediately disclosing that serial was available through the Nexus One USB port on certain pins (they told which pins - I can't remember off the top of my head)04:05
asjTermana: (usb only has 4 pins) (ok 5 pins for otg)04:06
DocScrutinizerasj: except if it's a special 10pole USB receptacle04:06
TermanaRight, I don't know exactly, its microUSB but I think they said on the V+ and V- (?) pins when there was no 5V power source, serial was available04:07
asjDocScrutinizer: well it's not usb then eh? usb spec defines connectors as well as signal.04:07
DocScrutinizerwhich is compatible to 5-pole mini/micro, but has additional 5 pins to deliver exactly such proprietary signals04:07
pupnikso what is the question, Termana ?04:08
DocScrutinizerasj: it *is* usb spec conformant, as every conformant plug will match04:08
asjDocScrutinizer: yeah, got it now04:08
Termanapupnik, there is no question. We're trying to find out what the correct pins are for serial on the N90004:09
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DocScrutinizerTermana: (V+ / GND) quite possible04:09
TermanaSorry, for anyone interested - its on the D+/D-04:09
DocScrutinizereven easier04:09
DocScrutinizeras USB musb core and PHY e.g support such generic UART mode ootb04:10
DocScrutinizeraiui it's even defined in USB specs, as 'car mode' or somesuch nonsense04:10
TermanaNow if only Nokia was more upfront in disclosure... :P04:12
asjwould be easy really for USB since isn't 1.1 slow speed or what ever it's called is 1mhz to 0hz and D+/D- is 0v to 5v?04:12
DocScrutinizerNOLO could do the same, but quite probably they won't implement it - too risky to break the already cumbersome USB charging and whatnot04:12
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tuliobaarshey people!is there any IRC channel specially to  N8x0 or Maemo 4.1 or less?04:13
TermanaDocScrutinizer, of course they could initialise the LCD in NOLO and you could view full kernel booting messages from there (At least, I think thats the case. I think thats was the OpeniBoot people are doing for Android on iPhone)04:13
tuliobaarshow can i get some missing libraries on n810?04:14
DocScrutinizerTermana: theroetically yes04:14
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SpeedEvilTermana: Well - FBCON can be enabled - which gets you 96% of boot04:14
DocScrutinizerbut initializing the whole fb stuff is quite a job to do04:15
tuliobaars 8-)04:15
SpeedEvilI earlier suggested IRDA over the CIR for serial out04:16
DocScrutinizertuliobaars: wrong time of day04:16
tuliobaarsso, is there any howto, or nothing? Maemo Talk doesn't help me tough, so04:16
SpeedEvilhelp for what?04:16
DocScrutinizertuliobaars: ask again in 6..12h04:16
SpeedEvilIt would have been sane to fork a n800 channel in - say - august or so04:16
SpeedEvilbut it wasn't done04:16
TermanaSpeedEvil, right, but if the kernel has paniced early in the boot process, or you have a bad display driver, you want see messages for FBCON04:16
tuliobaarswhy? (just for some info)04:17
SpeedEvilTermana: of course.04:17
TermanaSince I plan to do some kernel work with the n900 - that why I wanted serial access.04:17
tuliobaarsit will be at 4'o clock at the mornig!04:17
SpeedEviltuliobaars: Because it was clear that n900 traffic would swamp any 810 or 800 discissuon04:17
SpeedEvilTermana: what stuff?04:17
DocScrutinizertuliobaars: it's 4'o now :-P04:17
tuliobaarssorry, but i didn't really know that you have time for everithing04:18
tuliobaarshere is 22:1804:18
SpeedEvilwell - in about 4-6 hours ago then04:18
* SpeedEvil passes tuliobaars a time machine.04:18
TermanaWell originally I was just going to be rebasing all the code, like the kind of stuff I did in conjection with luke-jr with the n81004:18
TermanaBut most of it is heading mainline04:19
SpeedEvilTermana: rebasing what?04:19
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SpeedEvilAnyway - I need to get to sleep, or I won't be up tomorrow for an exciting day of nothing.04:20
Termanacya SpeedEvil have a good night and good day of nothing!04:20
asjbye SpeedEvil04:20
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Termanagood night DocScrutinizer04:23
b-man|laptopis it possible for the N900 to be infected with a rootkit,? because i saw something quite suspicious while running 'ps' in a gentoo chroot on mine today *nervous*04:23
b-man|laptop'Unknown HZ value (69) Assume 100"04:24
b-man|laptopand all of the tty's show ?04:25
SpeedEvilolder tools get upset by notick04:25
DocScrutinizertickless kernel04:27
DocScrutinizerseen same on OM kernel04:27
DocScrutinizerdoesn't mean anything04:28
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sswamhey if I install the USA or UK pr1.2 images, does that means it won't pull in all those annoying locale packages for every country?  any other differences?04:44
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sswamI broke the thing after trying to upgrade using apt, it was so damn slow because of all those dratted locale packages.04:46
pupnikyeah annoying that04:46
sswamthe should just put all the languages together in one package and be done with it, it's not like a little bit of text takes much storage anyway04:46
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pupnikyou could pin packages for languages you dont want04:47
sswamI'm in australia, I guess the USA package would be best for me if I want to use just English / avoid those pacakges.04:47
asjsswam: usa emmc has a ton of videos afaik04:47
sswamit's stuck in a reboot loop, I wish there was some way to avoid reflashing it as it was a lot of work setting it up the way I want :(04:48
sswamwhat sort of videos, is that good or bad?04:48
asjsswam: just 1.some gigs to dl and delete04:49
sswamlike "how to use your n900" or "spam from various ISPs"04:49
sswamI only see the one emmc image, which is about 256 Mb, and the various rootfs images which is about 180Mb, so I don't know where you get Gbs from04:50
asjah nm then04:50
sswamthe USA rootfs image is only 130K bigger than the global one04:51
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sswamit should be smaller really if they don't have locale packages, so maybe there's a bit of spam in there.04:51
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pupniknotice american use of hyperbole04:53
GAN900Hyperbole is a great American pastime04:54
GAN900Wait, what?04:54
pupnik:) dunno nm04:55
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sswamif I flash just the fiasco image (rootfs) it should leave my /home/ data there, right?05:08
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tgalalwhat's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app?05:23
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tgalallike the merge duplicate contacts05:24
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Send_Linuxso many people05:25
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CutMeOwnThroatbut they're just idling... like me06:40
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tgalalwhat's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app?06:44
tgalalHasn't anyone yet written a tool that would sync google contacts?06:44
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asjtgalal: mfe?06:49
tgalalasj, never worked with me for contacts. only works with calendar06:49
tgalalam I the only one ????06:49
tgalalasj, is it working with you? latest firmware06:50
opdf2anyone change notification priority?06:50
asjtgalal: wfn == works for me06:50
tgalalasj, what's asj??06:51
tgalalsorry wfn06:51
tgalalwhat's wfn?06:51
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tgalalasj, lol got it now06:54
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opdf2I modified LED priority, and now LED Pattern Editor won't recognize my mce07:10
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slonopotamussmth like that, yep :)08:14
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AakashYo dawgs08:18
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LivingroomN800 FO' LYFE, YO08:59
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mecegood morning maemites09:16
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Macerhas apple fixed the ._foo problem over network shares in snow leopard?09:17
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mecePyQt4.7.3 hit extras today. sweet!09:28
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meceI'm an idiot.09:38
sivangmorning all09:38
meceI was wondering why my karma so very rarely goes anywhere.09:39
meceseems I have not linked my talk account to my account.09:39
meceI got no karma from "thanks"09:39
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sivangmece: hmm :)09:46
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timeless_mbpmece: "oops" :)09:49
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redhow do I join a group skype call on the n900?09:53
redon the linux client you get this notification which you can use to rejoin the call if connection dropped09:53
redbut on N900 it seems to just appear as a normal phonecall and if connection fails i need to ask someone to redial09:53
rednot really handy09:53
mecetimeless_mbp, oh well. It's not like I've needed my karma for anything in particular :)09:54
sivanghey timeless_mbp09:54
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mhmhred: afaik you can't join chats and have to be invited10:01
mhmhred: ahh a group skype chat :)10:02
rmrfchikjust installed dropbear-server10:03
rmrfchikhow to connect now? i've changed root password, but still can't connect10:03
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rmrfchikPermission denied, please try again.10:03
Milhouseuse keys?10:06
* Milhouse wonders why people install dropbear instead of openssh...10:07
rmrfchikMilhouse: it's smaller?10:08
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Milhousermrfchik: is that a major benefit these days?10:09
Milhousei mean sure, it's a bit smaller but also less functional.10:09
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phellarvMilhouse: On a mobile device - Size _does_ matter.10:10
Milhousei think on devices like the n900, it's not that big of a deal10:11
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phellarvMilhouse: Not a _big_ deal, no - But it does matter.10:11
Milhouseok - well openssh works... :)10:12
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phellarvMilhouse: Mmm - and Dropbear works10:12
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phellarvMilhouse: That's the beauty of OSS - Freedom of choice.10:12
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Milhousenot for rmrfchik10:12
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Milhousephellarv: absolutely - but since the 770 i've seen more people have problems with dropbear than openssh10:13
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phellarvMilhouse: Probs - I think Dropbear have stripped away all those extra ways of getting it to work, and just have one way of doing "things"10:14
phellarvMilhouse: Fewer lines of code ~= Smaller footprint10:15
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Milhousephellarv: although a smaller foot print is always nice, i think in todays world it's becoming less and less of a major selling point10:16
Milhousephellarv: reliable, easy to use, functional, works as expected - those are the kind of features that might be more important10:16
phellarvMilhouse: That's correct - Not so much a sellingpoint anymore, but effective code is often smaller in size too.10:16
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rmrfchikhaving opened 2-3 apps (reader, messaging, media player) it takes about 20-30 seconds to open contacts. To answer the call it can take 15 seconds!10:18
phellarvMilhouse: I'm an old hacker - Reliable and "works as expected" I do not believe in anymore - I have outgrown fairytales.10:18
rmrfchikSo, size does matter on n90010:18
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rmrfchikn900 ran out of resources with a light of speed10:18
phellarvrmrfchik: And you have shitloads of widgets too?10:19
Milhousefairy nuff. good luck getting dropbear to work. :)10:19
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rmrfchikphellarv: calendar, weather, media player, coutple of contacts10:19
rmrfchikof shortcuts i mean10:20
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phellarvrmrfchik: Seems weird - I struggle to use my resources.10:20
phellarvOr - Not struggle, but work for it.10:20
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rmrfchikphellarv: you never miss a call because can't answer? lucky you10:21
rmrfchikpoor me -- it happens. click "answer", click, click, click... Aha! it response! oops, too laye10:21
mecermrfchik, I haven't had that issue. But sometimes there's some glitching before it appears properly, and if I click then I might click on the wrong button. but takes about 1 second to pass.10:22
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phellarvrmrfchik: Nah - Haven't had any problems yet - But I run kernel-power.10:24
rmrfchikmece: i think it depends on device usage. i almost always has fbreader opened. messaging/contacts10:24
rmrfchikphellarv: I'm too on kernel-power10:24
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phellarvThe only thing that bothers me is the battery-life10:24
rmrfchikyeah, that's an issue10:25
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phellarvThat's why I consider a solar-charger.10:25
rmrfchikit's sad there is no any comments from nokia. or I missed them?10:25
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solrize2400 mah = a little less than 2x the standard battery10:29
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phellarvsolrize: Mhmm - I've had some bad experiences with not-original batteries.10:30
solrizecheap ones are awful, mugens are expensive but good10:30
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solrizelooks like their n900 batt is out of stock10:30
solrizebut will probably be back10:31
solrizeso tell me, is maemo/meego still viable or is android going to crush everything?  :(10:31
solrizei don't like google's opaqueness but i saw someone's htc phone today and it was amazing10:31
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rmrfchikandroid is going to crush. at least, seeing what nokia is doing.10:33
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solrizei decided to hold out for the n900's successor because the n900 seems pretty buggy10:35
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rmrfchiksolrize: i'm sure, successor will be the same. look -- they throw away any experience. meego will be new OS with new bugs.10:35
solrizethe n900 hardware has bugs too10:36
rmrfchikI don't noticed hw bugs10:36
solrizei heard the vid cam drops frames10:36
Peedrpoim looking for info about tunneling all traffic from N900 to my server and from there outside. Is the VPN best option?10:36
sx0nsolrize, n900 seems pretty ok with oc kernel and pr1210:36
solrizealthough maybe that's not exactly hw10:36
rmrfchikah. dunno. i don't use it as videocam10:37
SurfaPeedrpo, most likely yes10:37
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SurfaPeedrpo, or probably the easiest.. try openvpn10:37
rmrfchikPeedrpo: there is some "vpn" package. dind't tired it.10:37
rmrfchikPeedrpo: anyway, you can always set ssh tunneling ;)10:37
solrizethe still cam is pretty slow and the image quality isn't great, though the successor will if anything be worse10:37
Peedrpoyea i just installed it. looks like it doesnt have GUI but i think i will survive without it10:37
Peedrposolrize: true true :) but VPN sound better10:38
SurfaPeedrpo, hmm, isn't the gui integrated to upper menu?10:38
rmrfchiksolrize: i don't care aboud cam. really. it's always a shit on smartphones10:38
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SurfaPeedrpo, at least "vpnc" has gui there10:39
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Surfayou may check also vpnc, it may be more tricky to configure, but it's more like "real vpn" than openvpn10:39
PeedrpoSurfa: nope. im supprised too cos what i read from net it got some sort of gui10:39
Peedrpook. thanks for info10:40
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Livingroomthis caption is accompanied by a painting of the sword in the stone: "i would hit it so hard, whoever pulled me out of it would be crowned the next king of england."10:40
SurfaPeedrpo, check openvpn-applet10:41
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PeedrpoSurfa: yeah, found it. search seems to work little bit hazardious in this new appmanager10:43
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Surfaok, to be honest.. I haven't used openvpn, but some people tell it's fine. I'm somehow tied with vpnc myself10:44
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astruasdhplease, how can I minimize the lxde under easy-debian?10:44
PeedrpoSurfa: same here :) But now i need it10:45
solrizei see nokia just lowered the price of the n90010:46
solrizei'm trying to resist being interested in android10:47
rmrfchikit's very depends on your needs10:47
Surfaand paycheck :)10:47
solrizei'm broke and i need a fancy phone like a hole in the head ;)10:48
solrizemostly interested in writing code for it10:48
solrizei told the guy with the android phone some ideas that i had10:48
mikki-kunsolrize: why not try android once on the n900? afair there is a project running, though not everything works...10:49
rmrfchiknokia is doing endless experiment. they give you half-working device with root access, while android is far more conservative and polished10:49
Termanasolrize, yourdoingitwrong10:49
solrizeand everyone of them had already been done on android10:49
rmrfchikand without root :)10:49
TermanaI need ... like a hole in the head - is meant to be used in a negative manner10:49
TermanaBecause no one wants a hole in their head10:49
solrizermrfchik, yeah, that sounds like the situation.  although it's possible to get root on andoroid phones10:49
solrizeTermana, right, i don't need a fancy phone at all10:50
solrizeit would just burn money10:50
rmrfchiksolrize: it's hack, while on n900 is it rather normal10:50
TermanaYou might not NEED it10:50
Termanabut you do WANT it don't you?10:50
Surfasolrize, btw, can't see any price drop in finland at least..10:50
solrizeTermana, i've been hacking chdk for canon digicams but they are dog slow, and the phones are much faster, but their cameras suck10:51
solrizeSurfa, interesting10:51
solrizei see a drop on nokiausa.com10:51
solrizebut dealers haven't caught up with it yet10:51
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rmrfchiklol, in usa n900 costs twice less as in europe10:51
psycho_oreoseven if maemo is a half-completed work-in-progress type device, it still remains a tinker's toy with literally unfettered access10:51
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Sceltrmrfchik: twice less? so only 33 % of european prices?10:52
rmrfchikn900 is half-completed work-is-stopped device10:52
solrizepsycho_oreos, do you think any other hardware will run it?10:52
solrizeScelt, nokia usa says 479.95 usd10:52
rmrfchikScelt: ok, in russia it costs twice10:52
solrizei don't know how that compares to europe10:52
Scelt495 euros in Finland10:52
psycho_oreossolrize, what maemo? kinda doubt it, its mostly a purpose built device with specific set of chipsets that fulfil the requirements of the kernel on maemo10:53
rmrfchikand i'm pretty sure, next-n900 will be "oh, we stop doing MeeGo, we're doing new shiny NokiaGo OS. So, no upgrades, eat this unfinished work"10:53
solrizermrfchik, hmm, yeah, blech10:54
psycho_oreosthe alternatives aren't any better than maemo, each smartphone OS has its upsides and downsides10:54
rmrfchikyes, yes.. excuses10:54
solrizepsycho_oreos, yeah.  although i guess application level programming is probably fairly similar between maemo and android10:54
Surfarmrfchik, no upgrades? that road has proven wrong so many times so why don't you just drop it already10:54
Termanasolrize, how do you figure that out10:55
rmrfchikSurfa: sure. i'm shutting up10:55
mhmh5595 SEK10:55
TermanaAndroid you have to program in their version of Java10:55
mhmh= 670ish USD10:55
psycho_oreosandroid with a locked root access, same goes with apple's smartphone OS, windows mobile is just plain crap, then you have crackberry which is more or less a simple cloudlike device10:55
TermanaMaemo you can program in basically any language10:55
rmrfchikSurfa: sorry to disturb your comfort10:55
rmrfchiksolrize: andoind == java almost.10:55
Surfasolrize, hmm, actually store prices are the same as other shops.. so there may be some kind of drop10:56
Surfatypically is quite much more expensive10:56
solrizepsycho_oreos, the guy i talked to said rooting the android phone was trivial... yeah he did say they use java for a lot of stuff10:56
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sx0nsamsung bada is out too, that might be quite interesting too10:56
sx0nbut frankly i am not sure is there markets for everyone.10:56
solrizewhat's bada?10:57
rmrfchiksx0n: isn't samsung private os? i mean, they don't plan to distribute it10:57
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solrizeoh bleh10:57
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psycho_oreossolrize, yes trivial if you considered certain purposes that you don't require the need for.. like for example passive monitoring10:57
rmrfchiksx0n: I suppose it going to be "thing-in-itself"10:57
solrizepsycho_oreos, what do you mean about passive monitoring?10:58
sx0nactually i don't know, fast googling on their www-pages showed only marketing images10:58
sx0ni didn't bother with sdk.10:58
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psycho_oreossolrize, in wireless penetration for example, there's tools that require root access to gain raw/physical access to a chipset onboard the device. If root access was forbidden, you cannot for example passively monitor wireless networks without actively probing10:59
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solrizeright, yeah, you can do that on the android phone by rooting it, i'm pretty sure10:59
astruasdhwhere can I get the source of set-focus (easy-chroot software)?11:00
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psycho_oreosand android's kernel isn't true linux.. so the power tools that I were referring to has to be manually ported to android, whereas maemo being true linux kernel, allows the programs to run provided that you compile it for armel platform11:01
K0JIbKAHi all!11:02
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psycho_oreosI bought n900 mainly for a few reasons: 1) to replace my aging n95-1 2) that I loved to have a linux powered phone 3) hearing that I can run wireless penetration tools on the phone which is specifically targeting my requirements11:02
solrizewell unless i get some paying work coding this stuff i'll wait for next hw version and see how it compares... i really want to like maemo better, it just seems like it's falling behind the curve.  of course the despicable iphone is in front of everything else ;)11:03
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solrizedoes the n900 have a compass?11:03
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psycho_oreosiphone just has that saturated marketing aura about.. nothing interesting to be honest.. apart from the people being anal about their products11:03
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psycho_oreosnot sure, it has GPS11:04
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solrizethe guy showed me an amazing android app, a star chart.  you just hold up the phone and it shows you a picture of the night sky, with the constellations labelled.  as you change the direction of the phone, the view changes.  it uses the gps, compass, and accelerometer to know which way the phone is pointing and what the view should be.11:05
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psycho_oreosmaemo has gps and accelerometer for those instance.. again I'm not too sure on compass but I presume gps takes care of navigation and directions11:07
fralsuh, dont we have that as well?11:07
solrizegps gives you absolute location, not direction, and it's quite slow.  it figures out direction if you're moving, by comparing successive position fixes11:07
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psycho_oreosthat's using the internal GPS, then there's external GPS or assisted GPS.. assisted GPS requires internet access to get the points11:08
solrizeassisted gps?  involves triangulation from cell towers or something?11:08
roadithe compas is missing in the n900 - pitty :(11:08
roadisolrize: from the internet11:09
psycho_oreostriangulation would be using internal/assisted I would presume11:09
solrizeroadi the internet can't figure out precise geoposition ;)11:09
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psycho_oreosapparently there's servers that can assist in doing so11:09
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psycho_oreosit takes less than 10 seconds on a good day to lock in the exact location of where you are using assisted GPS11:12
psycho_oreos30 seconds minimum using internal GPS.. so there's a bit of comparison11:12
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solrizethe bh-905 headphone sounds great11:13
fluxAFAIK assisted gps works by providing a GPS journal in a fast fashion, without the nede to wait for it to get downlaoded from the satellites11:14
solrizeoh i see11:14
solrizeyeah that makes sense11:14
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fluxbut agreed, compass would be nice.. apparently those electric compasses may not be all that great, though.11:16
solrizethey work really well, i used to program them11:17
fluxs/ass/as/ :)11:17
fluxoh, ok11:17
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solrizeand the one in the android seemed to work well in the minute i played with it11:17
solrizei could move the phone around and see the raw magnetometer readings11:17
fluxno, actually it was the correct spelling..11:17
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fluxwell, with the new usb host thingy you can attach a compass to n900!11:18
fluxif you have one :)11:18
solrizemaybe there is a bluetooth compas11:18
solrizewait that wouldn't make sense11:18
solrizeusb compass?  n900 has usb host, can it supply power?11:18
fluxapparently it can, up to 200mA11:18
fluxwhich should be plenty, right?11:18
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solrize  mere $250.00 for a compass11:19
solrize200 mA at 5v?  that's like 300 ma from the battery11:19
solrizemore power than the whole phone uses11:19
solrizethey should make a giant battery for the phone11:19
BCMMi know i just joined and this probably makes sense on context, but $250 for a compass?11:20
fluxhoneywell has a digital IC compass for 80 EUR11:20
solrizebcmm yeah i was looking at usb compass modules to connect to an n90011:20
fluxbut they also have 200 EUR and 500 EUR models, so maybe the 80 EUR one is sucky..11:20
solrizethe expensive ones are for devleopment, fancy instrumentation etc11:21
solrizethe consumer one i was involved with cost a couple bucks to make11:21
solrizethe one in the android phone is probably even cheaper than that11:21
BCMMyeah, those ones seem to provide various accelerometers too - the complete package for dead-reckoning navigation?11:22
solrizei think the accelerators aren't accurate enough for that11:22
solrizeyou can use them in combination with gps though11:22
solrizesensor fusion11:22
solrizecar navigation systems do that11:22
solrizecombine data from gps, accelerometers, car drivetrain11:22
BCMMi've wondered about that actually11:23
solrizeto compensate for noise and gaps in the gps signal11:23
BCMMin the short term, you'd be more accurate, right?11:23
BCMMis there anything for the n900 to combine acceleration with gps?11:23
BCMM(this occurred to me before, along with wondering if cars do that)11:23
fluxI wonder how the builtin magnets of n900 would mess with that kind of module11:23
solrizebut you couldn't put a compass/accelerometer in your pocket and walk someplace with no gps signal and expect the accelerometer to tell you where you were11:23
solrizethey compensate for that11:23
BCMMalso, does the n900's gps make assumptions about continuing in constant motion?11:24
solrizegps's always do that, they use kalman filters11:24
solrizevery fancy interpolation11:24
BCMMa few times it has seemed to "overshoot" a turning, then correct itself11:24
fluxhere's the page at farnell for that module:
solrizeyeah, i guess accelerometers can help with that too11:24
solrizeit just sent me to a general page.  but i think the idea is build it into the phone.  i hope the next nokia has it.  it's a cool feature11:25
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phellarvfrals: Gotten any further in rewriting the statusbar plugin?11:36
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Duckbootfrals: You mentioned something on Twitter about rewriting the statusbar-plugin in C.11:37
meceyou guys seem pass the time you can test Qlister (aka the least exciting app ever to hit extras-testing):
fralsyes, i finished it the same day iirc, its already in -devel ;)11:38
mecefrals, the what now?11:39
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Duckbootfrals: Faster than a speeding bullet?11:39
mecefralster than a speeding bullet11:39
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fralsmece: statusbar plugin for fmms.. i wrote it in python first, which, it turns out, isnt made for always running stuff as it drained the battery noticably :p11:40
mecefrals, aah. rainBOWS. I like those.11:40
fralsor rather, importing gtk in a python app thats always running is a bad idea ;)11:40
mecefrals, is the python app loop heavy on batteries?11:40
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fralsfor some reason importing gtk in python seems to start the gtk.mainloop or something11:41
mecefrals, oh..11:41
mecefrals, how curious. Also, good to know. Perhaps one should only import certain bits of gtk. Or just write in pyqt. Now that pyqt4.7.3 is in extras.11:42
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fralsmece: so this list i made in qlister, its saved even though i quit the app right?11:43
mecefrals, yep. if you've clicked "save"11:45
mecefrals, the "ticks" aren't saved.11:46
fralsmece: does it ask me to save when i quit?11:46
mecefrals, no, but if you see the list in the main list window, then it's saved.11:46
fralsmece: ok, thanks11:46
* frals is going shopping in a bit11:46
DuckbootDesktop Activity is nice - 1 Clutter Desktop when I'm running from charger to charger - 1 Clean desktop when I'm far away from chargers.11:47
mecefrals, buy me a mars bar.11:47
CorsacDuckboot: when using desktop activities and a clean desktop, the widgets don't run at all?11:48
Corsacor are they just not displayed?11:48
DuckbootCorsac: They aren't run.11:49
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MohammadAG51The N900's screen looks awesome without a protector11:50
DuckbootCorsac: Otherwise the effect would be /dev/null11:50
DuckbootMohammadAG51: It does - But it's a bit easy to scratch.11:50
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fralsthe few scratches i got on my screen after ~6 months without a protector are only visible if you really look for them in bright light at the correct angle :)11:53
Duckbootfrals: But you know they are there, and it does irritate you ;-P11:53
fralsX-Fade; is the list at being updated? it seems pretty much static lately11:54
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fralsDuckboot: nah, as i dont see them in normal usage i dont care :)11:54
fralswhat is annoying is the paint coming of the keys thou11:54
fralsctrl, a, s and e all starting to lose paint :(11:54
fralsor well, ctrl is mostly gone so its annoyingly bright when backlight is on11:55
Duckbootfrals: You have sandpaper on you fingertips?11:55
fralsno :(11:56
Duckbootsolrize: So - Just move a bit = Problem solved.11:57
lardmanthp: pong11:57
Duckbootsolrize: And didn't you learn have to use an analock clock and the sun to determine the direction?11:58
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BCMMfrals: re: scratches, is that because the screen is tough or because you are careful?12:07
fralswell i dont put my keys in the same pocket, other than that i wouldnt say im careful12:08
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DuckbootI use a screen protector and I use condoms - I gotta protect my most important belongings.12:09
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CorsacI hope you don't mix them up12:10
DuckbootCorsac: Nah rubber screen isn't any fun.12:10
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MohammadAG51frals, well, my N97 got scratched without putting it with any keys12:18
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MohammadAG51i think it was the stylus12:18
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thplardman: wanted to ask you something about mbarcode, but it has answered itself on t.m.o in the meantime :)12:22
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solrizeseveral used n900's on craigslist... that's a bit tempting12:27
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anvith3i have made a program for N810 which reads out the touch location on a window through flite. how do i get the binary to run as a daemon. i didnt really understand the daemonization part in the manual so askin for a little help12:29
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crashanddiethp: then why do you bother him?12:32
crashanddiethp: just kidding, no worries :)12:33
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crashanddiesolrize: you're surprised that some guy who owns "" is saying "GPS on the N900 is amazing", and his only source is a makerting guy's twitter feed?12:35
solrizehuh?  nah i wasn't paying attention to the amazing gps thing, just that it didn't have a compass12:36
solrizeis the gps any good?  the n810's was famously bad12:36
crashanddiewell, I haven't used it tbh12:36
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sECuREthe non-assisted GPS sucks12:36
sECuREassisted GPS works quite good12:37
MohammadAG51it locks on quick, but maps is below standards12:37
solrizethe map application needs internet?  bleccch12:37
crashanddiethe n810 really got me used to "it's a brag thing, not a feature". Plus the maps app sucks donkey balls.12:37
talonzmy gps on the n900 indoors says im in melbourne which is about 1000kms away12:37
MohammadAG51anyways no IL maps, so I couldn't care less12:37
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: should've gotten the US version. They always have IL maps, ready for invasion.12:38
solrize  these ppl say the n900 gps is worse than the 81012:38
LynoureAre there any devices that have good GPS when indoors?12:38
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crashanddieLynoure: nope12:38
MohammadAG51The N900 locks on here12:38
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solrizegps doesn't work indoors12:38
LynoureI'd say that if you are indoors and don't know where you are, there is something massively wrong with your life =)12:38
MohammadAG51crashanddie, I knew you'd say that :P12:38
talonzive seen a heap of youtube  vids that show gps working indoors fairly well12:39
talonzfor the n90012:39
zaheermLynoure, you may have been kidnapped by a rogue government12:39
MohammadAG51isn't "fine accuracy" a lock?12:39
crashanddieLynoure: that happened to me a lot more often than you'd think ;)12:39
Lynourezaheerm: how kind of them to leave you with your N900 (it's probably tapped)12:39
MohammadAG51they thought it was a brick12:40
lcukthe jack bauer/mcguyver use case is practical for indoor gps:  you wake up in a mysterious jailcell somewhere in the world.  the only things around are your n900, a hair clip and some chewing gum12:40
crashanddieLynoure: yes, because we all know that just by having your phone on, your friends can track your GPS, see the path you've travelled, and even tell whether you're alive or not.12:40
MohammadAG51GPS has a built in heartbeat sensor12:41
Lynourecrashanddie: Luckily I watch too little TV =)12:41
Duckbootlcuk: There is always the Chuck Norris solution. Roundhouse-kice your way out.12:41
asj_if someone wants a bad gps receiver get an n9712:41
MohammadAG51mine was good :P12:41
MohammadAG51Symbian sucks anyways12:41
MohammadAG51good thing I sold it12:41
crashanddielcuk: attach hair clip to antenna to get a fix, then attach hair clip using chewing gum to the GSM antenna and call friends/cops with your location.12:41
LynoureI can do comparations with E55 and N900, if anyone is curious12:42
MohammadAG51(had to live with an N73 for a while, but... the N900 was worth it)12:42
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crashanddielcuk: or maybe bend the hair clip so that it makes a parabollic antenna and use it to focus the n900's power into a specific direction12:42
Trewasis there actually a working method to get maps (for ovi maps) pre-loaded to n900? pc suite just goes to a web page saying "you could get one of these other phones if you want navigation" and map loader does not find the phone at all12:43
solrizei just got an e63 to help resist spending the $$ on an n90012:43
Corsac(I have to admit an E900 would be really nice :)12:43
solrizebut it's made me more interested in phone programming12:43
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viszTrewas, i have the same problem. there was an update on ovi suite just a while ago though?12:44
viszhaven't tried that yet12:44
Trewasvisz: I thought ovi suite does not support n900 yet12:44
crashanddiesolrize: get yourself scratchbox and start developing. Then send to people for you to test12:44
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crashanddiesolrize: if your apps are any good, I'll send you my n900 myself ;)12:45
ham5I dont wanna 'develope' I just want to compile into ARM form... I run debian anyway... do I need scratchbox?12:46
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solrizeapps i'm thinking of: 1) wifi video camera; 2) book scanner; 3) rockbox port; 4) high end audio recorder port for use with external (bluetooth?) a/d converter.  any other ideas?12:47
mecesolarize, does the e63 support Qt?12:49
solrizemece, i doubt it.  it's symbian12:49
Duckbootsolrize: a combined email/sms/im widget for the desktop12:49
mecesolarize, well there's Qt for symbian. I think that's the whole point. Might not be there yet though.12:50
solrizeit doesn't already have that?12:50
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lcuksolrize, get one done then you can know how to do the rest12:50
Duckbootsolrize: Nah - e-mail and sms/im is separated12:50
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mecesolarize, number 4 sounds sweet :) do that one!12:52
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TreibholzWarning: do not use WD40 to oil the rails of the N900... :-(12:52
fralsMohammadAG51: yeah, i heard stylii are killing screens left and right, wouldnt know as im not using mine at all12:53
solrizemece, i meant that app would basically be audacity12:53
mecesolarize, ah. ok.12:53
solrizeaudacity port plus some external a/d, with an arduino12:53
PolarFoxTreibholz: :D12:53
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MohammadAG51just noticed there's another sensor to the right of the camera12:53
meceOMG Hannu Mikkola has voted for Qlister!12:53
fralsmece: autorotate would be awesome in qlister ;-)12:53
MohammadAG51never seen that before12:53
MohammadAG51well hidden12:54
mecefrals, I can make it autorotate. It's the root of all evil though, so I don't really want to.12:54
fralsmece: tis was well annoying having to rotate it manually for me.. but yeah, autorotate misbehaves at times12:54
mecefrals, I could make it a switch actually.12:55
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fralsmoar settings = good! :D12:55
Sceltfrals: haven't you added finnish translation yet?12:55
mecefrals, well once this one gets to extras, I'll do improvements.12:55
Sceltfrals: checked out changelogs since 1.0.9 and no mention about it12:56
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fralsScelt: hmm, i just might have forgot to mention it in the changelog12:57
Trewasok, after a reboot and running the map loader in xp comp. mode (windows 7) the stupid program actually sees the phone iff it has been plugged in before starting the program12:58
fralsScelt: my buildscript automatically gets all the translations without me doing anything, so i might just have forgot to add it in changelog... ;o12:58
Sceltfrals: np, nice to get no credits12:58
fralsmece: alright, fair enough :)12:58
Trewasif using the mass storage mode it orders me to reconnect in pc suite mode, and if in pc suite mode then in mass storage...12:58
fralsScelt: credits are on transifex site! (ill add it when i update package tonight)12:58
Sceltfrals: just kidding :]12:58
solrizeso is new hw coming?  we're about due for it12:59
mecehmm apparently longpress->blue key doesn't work in QTextEdit... Is this so?12:59
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DangerMausis the os update all good? any issues?13:00
meceheey! New search functions! Yay!13:01
fralsmece: voted on qlister, nice work so far, looking forward to autorotation and multiple lists... ;-)13:02
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mecefrals, ok :)13:03
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MohammadAG51yay my holiday's 74 days13:05
MohammadAG51anyone got a good pygtk tutorial? (*trouts frals*)13:06
solrizethe bh-905 headset looks really nice except it has an iphone-like unreplaceable battery13:06
MohammadAG51and please, don't suggest Qt13:06
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tekojosolrize: show me a bt headset with a replaceable battery...13:06
meceMohammadAG51, hmm.. I used something very simple when I started with that.13:06
MohammadAG51frals claims he was a n00b six months ago13:07
MohammadAG51oi! answer me or i'll trout ye again13:07
solrizetekojo, i haven't been able to find one, but most of them suck for multiple reasons and the bh905 sucks mostly for just one reason ;)13:07
alteregopygtk isn't that hard. do you have any gtk C exp?13:07
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solrizeand when it's a 10 gram tiny thing the internal battery is more forgiveable13:07
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mecefrals, MohammadAG51, n00b -> l33t in 6 months.. totally doable :P13:08
alteregoMohammadAG51: also, why not Qt? :P13:08
solrizei've always used tkinter :-P13:08
fralsMohammadAG51: pygtk.org13:08
tekojosolrize: I prefer the bh-21413:09
frals even13:09
MohammadAG51alterego, it's not well documented13:09
fralsso finns, does mcdonalds in finland give away free coke glasses with each meal like they do in sweden currently?13:09
tekojosolrize: 3.5mm plug let's you use your favourite headphones13:09
solrizebh-214 has wires flopping around!  what kind of a wireless headset is that??!! :)13:09
Sceltfrals: ye, plus meals13:09
fralsScelt: awesome, thanks13:09
tekojofrals: unfortunately yes13:09
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Sceltfrals: np13:09
solrize905's most interesting feature is advanced noise cancellation13:10
tekojosolrize: :) the small stereo type13:10
solrizei have a bunch of older tech NC headphones13:10
solrizethat aren't so great13:10
alteregoMohammadAG51: well, Qt's well documented and they're pretty close :P13:10
solrizei dont see any mention of bh214 being able to pair with more than one phone13:11
alteregoand I didn't think pygtk was tghat well documented either tbh :/ spend most time looking at the normal gtk docs13:11
solrizeor multipoint (that's less important)13:11
pupnik_am i the only who is scared the next meego phone will be "worse" than n900?13:11
fralstekojo: free glasses are good if you are going to live in a hotel for the next few weeks... ;)13:12
solrizepupnik_, hm, that's a scary thought:)13:12
alteregopupnik_: no keyboard, capacitive screen. no, you're not the only one ;)13:12
tekojofrals: :D13:12
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solrizeso i stlil have a 770, what can i do with it?13:12
alteregosolrize: build an N900 stealing robot? :)13:13
pupnik_770 is great for shell sessions with a t keybooard.  can also stream music to your stereo.13:13
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pupnik_a bluetooth keyboard13:13
solrizehmm, maybe i can use my e63 as a bt keyboard ;)13:14
alterego770 makes a nice toy for the kids too O_O13:14
pupnik_770 in case is pretty hard to break13:14
MohammadAG51alterego, you use pyside, so shush13:14
solrizestream music to my stereo from where???13:14
MohammadAG51also, I really like output when I fsck up with pyQt, not a "Segmentation Fault"13:15
alteregoMohammadAG51: I'm using PySide now, but zI've used pygtk loads too :P13:15
pupnik_770 can stream music from a desktop server or from internet solrize13:15
solrizei dont' have a desktop pc, i have a lot of laptops and i could connect one to my stereo directly ;)13:15
alteregoMohammadAG51: yes, that is very annoying I must admit. it seems to be really bad with reference counting O_o13:16
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alteregoalso,  somewhat inconsistent about it13:16
solrizeoh well, i better go to bed.  scratchbox looks interesting and i may play with it13:17
solrizelua seems nicer than python for embedding13:17
solrizeand webheads are used to javascript13:17
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ecksunhmm, how would one go about displaying a custom message when there is an incoming call, Im thinking about writing something that looks up a number online if the number doesnt exist in the phone book13:20
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alteregoecksun: if it's a daemon, then look at osso notifications.13:22
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ecksunhmm, okay, will do that, but I was thinking more about altering the normal dialog (the one with answer/decline buttons). is that still the place to look?13:23
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MohammadAG51alterego, i'd use Qt if I could use bits from gtk13:24
mecefrals, if you don't feel like waiting, just open /opt/qlister/ with your favorite editor and add self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, True) around line 2413:24
MohammadAG51but... importing gtk segfaults it, so...13:24
alteregoMohammadAG51: PyQt  or PySide?13:25
MohammadAG51I like how adding one line python allows rotation, but in C i have to define it all...13:25
MohammadAG51alterego, pyQt13:25
* Cabletwitch pokes frals13:25
CabletwitchQuestion for you, sir.13:25
fralsmece: alright, cheers :)13:26
lcukMohammadAG51, technically you shouldnt, we should have a function somewhere in a library to pass in a Window* to do it for us13:26
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CabletwitchAre the settings in fMMS case sensitive? If so, I think I know whats not working...13:26
alteregoMohammadAG51: I as going to say, works with PySide13:26
lcukthere may not be now, but that shouldnt stop it from being done ;)13:26
mecefrals, you might have to quote out line 40 so it doesn't jump to manual rotation if you click edit.13:26
fralsCabletwitch: yes, very case sensitive :)13:26
MohammadAG51alterego, it works for noobmonk3y too13:26
MohammadAG51which annoys me13:26
MohammadAG51lcuk, I started on modest the other day13:26
fralsimporting gtk in a qt app o_O13:26
MohammadAG51but C... is mindf***13:26
Cabletwitchfrals: bingo. I asked the other day, and apparently I'm not the only one with this. something in PR1.2 auto-caps the settings, and I cant use the shift key to drop it back to lower case.13:27
alteregoSo, why not PySide? :P13:27
MohammadAG51frals noobmonk3y imports both gtk and hildon13:27
lcukNoobmon3y imports kitchensink too13:27
fralsCabletwitch: enter the letter twice and then remove the first one is the workaround :)13:27
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alteregoCabletwitch: you can write it like Ccable and go back and delete the first char :)13:27
CabletwitchOh goody. I shall try that.13:27
fralsMohammadAG51: noobmonk3y was importing pyqt, pyside, gtk and hildon...13:27
MohammadAG51Cabletwitch, or disable autocaps13:28
alteregooh hah13:28
fralsMohammadAG51: nuff said, i had a go at him already! ;)13:28
MohammadAG51frals he still does :P13:28
fralshe doesnt import pyside in latest13:28
fralsbut he still depends on it... :)13:28
MohammadAG51he imports gtk though :)13:28
MohammadAG51and hildon13:29
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CabletwitchMohammadAG51: Or diable auto-caps, yes. Would be nice if they werent damaged though (Not screwed enough to call em broken, I guess ;O)13:29
CabletwitchDisable even. Excuse any typos, not enough caffine error.13:29
* MohammadAG51 stamps it as RESOLVED BROKENINONEPOINTTWO13:29
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MohammadAG51or fixed in 1.1.113:30
* Cabletwitch does ponder something though...13:30
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CabletwitchI presume you need to connect via the MMS connection fMMS makes in order to recive the damn things, yus?13:30
CabletwitchOr will it work via any other connection present?13:31
fralsyeah pretty much, depending on connection mode13:31
SpeedEvilBugzilla needs a THEREAREFIVELIGHTS resolution.13:31
CabletwitchI know you have a readme squirelled away someplace... XD13:31
fralsbest way to test everything is to connect manually to the MMS connection ;)13:31
CabletwitchYup, done that.13:33
LynoureI'm trying to get Mad Developer to use usb, but Edit -> Configure just leaves usb0 empty13:33
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crashanddie"So tell me sir, can you look at your modem and tell me which lights are on?" "Erhm, lights 5 and 7" "Ah, so that's twelve" "Pardon me?" "Well, 5 + 7 = 12" "And, what does that mean?" "I don't know. I like 12 though".13:35
CabletwitchOk, the other thing I wanted to find out (I asked before, but couldnt get the reply due to being in the middle of nowhere with no GPRS) is who do I have to bribe/ask/seduce/threaten to get an auto-caps option in xchat? :O)13:35
crashanddiean xchat dev?13:36
mececaps? We don't need no stinking caps!13:36
CabletwitchNames, damn you! XD13:36
vldcnstfree dinners involved?13:36
CabletwitchAlso, frals, it works now!13:36
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LynoureAh, found the solution... the instructions forgot to say one needs to be in PC Suite mode13:39
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andre__Lynoure, instructions where?13:39
CabletwitchI'm curious... does the usb connection on the N900 act as a device only, or can it be a host as well?13:40
meceto be able to do a dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S with a pythonapp on the device, what does one need for that?13:40
alteregoCabletwitch: device only, people are working on host mode.13:40
vldcnstCabletwitch: there is work going on to enable host mode.13:40
CabletwitchAhh, so its not impossible. Sweet.13:40
Lynoureandre__: the ones that came with the sdk beta... ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/readme/index.html13:40
SpeedEvilCabletwitch: See
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SpeedEvil even13:41
marcusWhat was the "make" tool to compile for the n900? For compiling ARM13:41
andre__Lynoure, so this is about MADDE? if so, feel free to file a bug report13:41
crashanddiemarcus: make?13:41
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andre__Lynoure, or the Qt SDK?13:41
SpeedEvilFor development of host mode, the appropriate donations of hardware to test with may help. For example, small tropical islands, ...13:41
crashanddiemarcus: make is make.13:41
crashanddieSpeedEvil: or large, for that matter13:42
marcuscrrashanddie: Somebody made a binary to do it all. Can't remember the name of it. What I want, is to compile my C++ app, so it works on the n900.13:42
Cabletwitch200ma fromt he USB port? Hello :O)13:42
Lynoureandre__: Nokia Qt SDK beta (if I understood right, it has MADDE). But, just a documentation oversight and I would not know where to file that bug13:43
smharis there a LinkedIn application for N900?13:43
crashanddiesmhar: no13:43
hrwsmhar: what it has to do?13:43
sivangsmhar: you can log into linked in from MicroB13:43
sivangjust like that!13:43
* sivang never understood the facebook widget13:43
sivangall it does is eat battery13:43
* vldcnst never understood facebook13:44
mecesivang, it also scrolls some text in a box :)13:44
CabletwitchFacebook - How to ensure you never get employed again...13:44
fralsCabletwitch: great :)13:44
LynoureIf the application list is now rearrangeable, how does one rearrange it?13:44
sivangCabletwitch: exactly :)13:44
sivangCabletwitch: I've managed to erase mine13:44
meceLynoure, long click somewhere there13:44
sivangI got my freinds to report me, and they erased the account.13:45
CabletwitchFacebook, Myspace, Twitter, Web 2.Bullshit... all a waste of time and braincells.13:45
sivangnot 'disbled' but not avaialble all13:45
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sivangin nowehere around13:45
sivangand so the spam mail stopped as well13:45
smharI do no even have a facebook account :-)13:45
Cabletwitchsivang: Thats actually a really good way to get it nuked, yeah XD13:45
sivangCabletwitch: yes, I've been waiting a while to blog about this to not create panic with Facebook13:45
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CabletwitchOh, seriously, go create hell with Facebook, it'll really give em something to think about XD13:48
spectre-at&t switching to data caps13:48
spectre-eff that13:48
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spectre-everyone switch to verizon :o13:49
spectre-need a cdma n90013:49
marcuscrashanddie: Pretty sure MADDE was the one I was looking for :313:49
Lynouremece: Thanks :)13:49
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crashanddiemarcus: MADDE is quite different from make. Not my fault if you can't explain what you want.13:49
Cabletwitchspectre-: I do feel sorry for some of you lot stuck in the states with those carriers.13:49
marcuscrashanddie: Ofc not, and please excuse my explaination.13:50
SpeedEvilCabletwitch: Twitter is useful - for some cases. It is great to coordinate projects where some may have poor, intermittent connectivity, perhaps limited to a basic mobile phone at times.13:50
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SpeedEvilCabletwitch: If you've got - say - 10 people who may have computers, and be sitting at home, 5 people 'in the field' - it's really handy13:51
CabletwitchI guess so. I'm just basing my opinion off the crap generated by 99% of 'normal' users.13:51
mececan I install build-essentials directly on the phone, or will that cause problems for me?13:51
SpeedEvilFor tweeting that you've just gone to the toilet, and produced a _massive_ poo - less so.13:51
SpeedEvilmece: yes you can.13:52
SpeedEvilmece: IIRC lcuk did.13:52
CabletwitchSpeed: Funny that, I know someone on another network that uses twitter for EXACTLY that13:52
SpeedEvilI also have - but in a chroot.13:52
meceSpeedEvil, from sdk tools?13:52
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SpeedEvilcp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot13:52
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SpeedEvilchroot /home/user/data/chroot /bin/sh13:52
SpeedEvilapt-get install build-essentials13:53
SpeedEvil(with the right repos)13:53
crashanddieSpeedEvil: and that is different how from email?13:53
meceSpeedevil, interesting...13:53
meceSpeedEvil, is that really all there is to it?13:53
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: You can't get email on a 20 quid phone.13:53
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crashanddieand you can get twitter?13:53
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: And if you can, it requires better than the intermittent coverage SMSs can do13:53
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: actually, most operators will allow you to email phonenumber@operator.tld and the guy gets it as sms13:54
spectre-dude verizon is great13:54
fralsmece: fwiw i think lcuk actually installed it on rootfs on a fresh flash.. but lcuk can probably tell you more (highlight frenzy)13:54
meceSpeedEvil, and I can modify the files from outside the chroot directly from the ~/data/chroot dir, or?13:54
fralscrashanddie: varies a lot between countries that feature13:54
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I've not seen that in the UK13:55
crashanddiefrals: true13:55
SpeedEvilmece: no13:55
fralscrashanddie: dont think any of the .se providers support it (mine doesnt for sure)13:55
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spectre-unlim flat rates13:55
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spectre-cdma is lol but otherwise data plan is good13:55
spectre-i'm in uganda and we're stuck with european carriers like france telecom/orange13:55
spectre-and locals like mtn13:55
spectre-and they're even worse13:55
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spectre-they only offer data cap plans because people don't know any better13:55
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lcukmece yeah theres enough space on a clean install to just whack it and a few -dev libraries there, depending on what you need thats useful.  for example to build liq* apps i only need one -dev library ontop of build-esssential but for everything else theres a metric shittonne13:55
SpeedEvilmece: The idea is that that dir is then a complete build environment, isolated and not having to worry about using up extra space on /13:56
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mecelcuk, I guess building python requires.. nothing13:56
lcukas speedevil says13:56
mecelcuk, besides the dpkg-dev13:56
lcukbuilding python?13:56
mecelcuk, well using dpkg-dev I mean13:56
lcukif you are rebuilding entire python system you will certainly need heavy full dev kit13:56
mecelcuk, making deb files13:56
fralsi assume for building a python package with dpkg-buildpackage13:56
SpeedEvilmece: You can for example compile the kernel (in around 3 hours) (though my kernel that I made is not booting for some reason I have not debugged)13:56
lcukthats different13:56
CabletwitchWha? Huh, catalogue failures..., mozilla catalogue and maemo extras... are they down?13:56
lcuknot part of build essential13:56
mecelcuk, ideed :)13:56
lcukand not directly available for on device13:56
crashanddieSpeedEvil: what's your provider in the UK?13:57
lcukbecause the packages conflict with the shell thingy13:57
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: t-mobile13:57
mecelcuk, so I can't have dpkg-dev?13:57
crashanddieSpeedEvil: try sending an email to
mecelcuk, I want to do dch -i and dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S on device.13:57
CabletwitchSub-process gzip returned an error code (1)13:58
lcukmece, would be nice wouldnt it13:58
lcukbut thats not part of build essential13:58
lcuksee khertans pypackager for on device stuff13:58
lcukbut it might not work for you13:58
mecelcuk, no, it works fine.13:59
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mecelcuk, I'd rather use dpkg though. ok so that doesn't work on N900 because it's incompatible with the dpkg used by system?14:00
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lcukmece busybox and gnu tools are the conflicting bits afaik - the debian build system expects real ones from what i recall its hazy tho i havent looked in a long time and am unable to dig into logs atm to find out for you14:02
SpeedEvil   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <>     (reason: 550 Unknown local part 07943894922 in <>)14:02
jacekowskimaybe text.t-mobile......14:02
crashanddieSpeedEvil: my bad, you need to activate the service first. Hang on, lemme find the number you need to dial. Then it's 10p per message you receive14:03
LynoureHmm, bah, cannot find qt-mobility-examples (just individual demos)14:03
SpeedEvilGPRS works OK for me, so I can do email.14:03
mecelcuk, damn. It would be so much faster. Now I have to move the stuff to server, run the dpkg commands and them move back.14:03
jacekowskiso far only network where i saw that thing working for free14:03
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jacekowskiwas plusgms14:03
SpeedEvilJust bought another 6 months of internet14:04
jacekowskiand they introduced it 10 years ago14:04
fralsmece: git is your friend ;)14:04
jacekowskiand it's still working14:04
lcukmece on the server, use sshfs14:04
lcukto the folder on n90014:04
jacekowskibut it only works for plusgsm numbers14:04
* noobmonk3y prods frals in the eyes14:04
lcukthen just open console, browse to the sshfs folder and build package14:04
mecefrals, yeah, I use git for that. I still have to build on the server though.14:04
lcukno implicit copying14:04
* noobmonk3y giggles14:04
noobmonk3yMorning alls14:04
* noobmonk3y hugs frals alot.. then takes a step back, cos it may have been a little bit of a gay hug14:05
mecelcuk, sshfs could speed things up...14:05
fralsmece: true, same here... but i dont mind starting the vm to do it :)14:05
noobmonk3yH/c minus GPS bug is in the autobuilder14:05
fralslol noobmonk3y14:05
fralsnoobmonk3y: fixed dependencies? :P14:05
noobmonk3yshould have :)14:05
fralsnice :)14:05
lcukmece its a hack - i strongly want dpkg on device too14:05
noobmonk3ywaiting for it to build :)14:05
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fralslooking forward to not having to install 20 mbs of stuff this tiem around then ;)14:06
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noobmonk3yfrals: probably only 19mb ;)14:06
noobmonk3ysaying that i still have 88mb free in rootfs, so wasn't that bad14:07
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fralsapt-get remove healthcheck && apt-get autoremove -> "After this operation, 22.0MB disk space will be freed"14:07
crashanddieSpeedEvil: can't find any reference to it on their website anymore. Apparently it was free 7 months ago (inbound emails were free, sending was 10p per message). If interested you can always call them and ask14:07
* noobmonk3y might actually do that14:07
crashanddiefrals: same for you. It's a feature that was never advertised, but existed almost by default for every operator. Call them to find out.14:07
fralsotoh i dont have any app using pyqt or pyside on that device14:07 is being VERY slow right now...14:07
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Anyway - it doesn't quite do the same thing - you can't send an email from a 20 quid phone. You can tweet.14:08
noobmonk3yCabletwitch: ... no change there then ;)14:08
fralscrashanddie: ah, could do that.. leaving the country this week thou so changing operator anyway ;)14:08
crashanddiehey, I used to send emails from my mobile phone 10 years ago14:08
crashanddieonly through SMS14:08
Cabletwitchnoobmonk3y: ITs getting progressivly slower to repond to page requests... impending failure? :O)14:08
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noobmonk3yCabletwitch: PR1.4 release? lol - normally happens when something buig is happenning, and lots of people spamming :P14:09
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CabletwitchPR1.4? We['ve only just had 1.2, let alone 1.3 ;O)14:10
DuckbootPR2.0.42 - The Solution14:11
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mhmh crashanddie fax through sms was more fun than email :)14:12
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noobmonk3yCabletwitch: was a joke'ish :)14:13
pupnik_how much did that ebay pandora sell-for?14:14
pupnik_580 pounds!!!!14:15
SpeedEvilAnd the last thing out of pandoras box was an item not as described claim.14:16
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marcusAnybody know why I would get this error when compiling using MADDE? checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.14:17
pupnik_x86 cannot run armel perhaps14:18
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marcusHmm, better google some.14:18
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timeless_mbpandre__: ping?14:27
andre__timeless, pong?14:27
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timeless_mbpdid you figure out 10468?14:27
timeless_mbpi guess you did14:27
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andre__see summary cahnge?14:28
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noobmonk3yfrals: just did a fresh install, all seems ok for me now :) - also minus the pyside stuff :)14:30
viszoh wow, new iphone has multitasking14:30
fralsnoobmonk3y: awesome :)14:30
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noobmonk3yvisz: so did windows 3.1 :)14:30
mecehey, in depends field. should it be I put python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) or python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.3)14:30
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CabletwitchThe iPhone can multitask now? Someone shoot Jobs or something?14:31
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CabletwitchJailfixed, more like.14:32
noobmonk3yisn't it only selected multi-tasking though?14:32
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meceCabletwitch, it's "multitask" not multitask though.14:32
sivangCabletwitch: Couldn't it before?14:32
Cabletwitchsivang: Not officially.14:32
noobmonk3yie, you can't multi-task everything, just a select set of apps? - meh, i dont keep up to date with iupdates14:32
sivangCabletwitch: ah?? What do you mean?14:32
mecesivang , one app at a time.14:32
SpeedEvilapps shut down 'transparently'14:33
viszoh, it's not real multitasking?14:33
sivangmece: so it could run only one app at at a time?14:33
SpeedEvilIt's like 1990 again.14:33
* Cabletwitch longs for the days of the Amiga when things really and truely did do actual multi-tasking, parallel rather than concurrently.14:33
mecesivang, yep. Such is life with the most popular smartish phone in the world. Go figure.14:33
sivangWell, yet another comaprison point in favor of Maemo/N900 for my iphone freinds, although they'd probably never witnessed that or say this is untrue.14:33
sivangCabletwitch: I used to be among the users, did it have more than 1 proc? how did it acheive that?14:34
* SpeedEvil needs to work out why his on-n900 built kernel doesn't boot.14:34
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Cabletwitchsivang: Nah, the iPhoners will tell you that the N900 doesnt match their decor, therefor it cant be good ;O)14:34
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mecesivang, in most cases if a person has an iPhone and is happy with it, they would not like the N900. Unless they are linux hackers.14:34
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sivangCabletwitch: I already ignore that :) so how can you be online at all time and get IMs and smss and emails at the same time?14:35
Cabletwitchsivang: What, the Amiga? It had a custom chipset that could work on different tasks independantly of the CPU. The 68000 was more of a caretaker than an actual CPU.14:35
sivangCabletwitch: I mean, surely there's an online preseance progam that works concurrently?14:35
* noobmonk3y thinks this is turning into #iMaemo14:36
Cabletwitchsivang: Ahh, certain things could run concurrently, but it was Apple code that could, all else was forbidden.14:36
sivangnoobmonk3y: right, we should stop this OT14:36
sivangCabletwitch: ah, how nice of them.14:36
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sivang"We achieve this slick and responsiveness not only by pushing 320x200 but also not allowing non core stuff to use concurrency!"14:37
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timeless_mbpsivang: "but, we're ooh shiny!"14:37
lcukCabletwitch, amiga did not really multitask the other chips, it just lightened the load to allow the cpu to do its thing, multitasking was a component of the OS and the 68k chip itself14:37
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sivangtimeless_mbp: hehe14:38
timeless_mbpsivang: oh, and "we're clean" "no dirty stuff to worry about"14:38
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sivangtimeless_mbp: no dirty?14:39
sivangwhat's considered dirty? :)14:39
sivangpr0n ?14:39
Cabletwitchlcuk: I was under the impression that the chipset in the Amiga was capable of carrying out tasks in dependantly of the main CPU, and only really recieved data from it now and then.14:39
timeless_mbpsivang: that isn't allowed in the store14:40
CabletwitchGraphics, audio etc were all sybsystems that could function in their own right without having to rely on the CPU to babysit constantly.14:40
timeless_mbp"we're clean, don't worry"14:40
sivangheh I see14:40
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fralsmhm, finally got around to getting a decent cheap switch for my home network \o/ Transferred: maemo5.vdi 23,25 GB in 5 minutes 52 seconds (67,53 MB/s)14:43
Duckbootfrals: That's quite OK throughput14:43
noobmonk3ynot bad at al!14:43
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mecefrals, autorotating qlister going to devel in a bit :)14:48
fralsmece: awesome :)14:48
CabletwitchOdd... the repos are working again... bah.14:49
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mecefrals, I hope it works.14:50
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noobmonk3ylol, sure it will mece14:50
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lcukCabletwitch, sure, but the chipset didnt do general processing, it was useful to do blitting operations or audio processing or disk io etc, but general "programs" still had to operate on the cpu as normal14:54
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mecelcuk, Ended up using pypackager. it works fine for most of my apps anyway. Tho I really hope to get dpkg one day.14:56
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benno2Hi, I have a problem with the maemo5 sdk. I'm using ubuntu 8.04, followed the howto on scratchbox and it worked.then I wanted to install the maemo sdk by issuing the install script but it says:  Scratchbox user's bind mount... no. I issued:  sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start   but it did not help. any idea? thanks for help.14:56
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lcukmece +1 you arent the only one14:57
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CabletwitchOh yes, I'm not saying the CPU wasnt important. But it didnt have to do a lot of the work that todays desktop CPUs do, it could hand tasks to the chipset and get on with the next job. The CPU and the chipsets could then do tasks simultaniously, as opposed to waiting for each other to start and stop.14:57
Appiahbenno2: did you download the gui installer?14:57
lardmanthp: np, sorry for the slow reply, busy morning at work14:58
benno2Appiab: no I followed "install maemo on debian based distros", using ubuntu 8.04 (32bit). should I use the GUI installer ?14:58
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AppiahI have only used the GUI installer15:00
Appiahand thats on ubuntu15:00
Appiahnot saying that's right...15:00
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Appiahnever used anything else and I thought I could help you if you had problems with the gui installer15:00
noobmonk3ymorning lardman15:01
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benno2Appiah, thanks, will try now15:02
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mecehey general python thing, if a py app has a class in a different file, and the classes are imported in a main file, and both the main file and class file use for example a Qt function. where do I import the Qt libs? main or class or both?15:05
noobmonk3yMece The main python file15:06
mecenoobmonk3y, kthx15:06
noobmonk3ymece: the only time it is different i think is if for example only one small part requires something (ie dbus) then you would import dbus in that separate class / function.15:07
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benno2even with the GUI installer I still get an error in the log file: Scratchbox user's bind mount... no.  any idea how to solve it ? I had the maemo sdk4 installed and it worked (I now renamed the old /scratchbox to /scratchbox.old, does this interfere with the maemo5 sdk installation ?15:10
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inkbottleFor this page:, phonetic fonts are missing. How could I fix it?15:12
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inkbottleI've tried to install android font but it doesn't make any difference15:13
noobmonk3y_afkinkbottle: ie fix the website (That you own?) or fix it because on your pc it doesnt work?15:13
Appiahbenno2: how did you start the gui installer?15:13
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benno2Appiah, as user sudo ./file.py15:13
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benno2then the gui turns up, starts working and aborts at the same point like the text based installer15:14
AppiahI see15:14
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inkbottlenoobmonk3y_afk, No it's ok on my pc, but not on my n900 with microb15:14
Appiahmaybe it has to do with the old SDK..15:14
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Appiahdont you get any output in the terminal15:14
Appiahsome debug/error info15:14
inkbottlenoobmonk3y_afk, it is the phonetic information that are not displayed properly15:15
inkbottleit might be a matter of missing fonts (ipa)15:15
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mecenoobmonk3y, bleh it didn't work that way. QWidget not defined.15:17
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benno2Appiah, do I need to use sb-menu before installing the maemo sdk ?15:18
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benno2sb-menu works , asks if I want to create targets etc15:19
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inkbottlenoobmonk3y_afk, perhaps, so i now have to find those folders :)15:20
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Appiahbenno2: no thats after you installed the SDK15:25
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inkbottleWhat is chinook?15:26
Termanaits a chicken and a Nook15:26
inkbottlerepo_deb_3 = deb chinook release15:27
inkbottlewhat do i have to understand?15:27
TermanaSeriously though it was the first revision of OS2008 available on the n800 and n81015:27
inkbottleSo it doesn't fit for n900 maemo5, then15:27
Termanaprobably not15:28
mecefrals, rotating qlister in devel15:28
fralsmece: nice :) ty!15:28
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inkbottleIf i go on the site of microb, i see it's very old and unmaintained; is there a browser that is currently worked on?15:29
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SpeedEvil'on the site of microb' ?15:30
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SpeedEvilAnd he's summoned.15:30
SpeedEvilinkbottle: What do you mean 'the site of microb'15:30
BCMMyou can install firefox, chromium and some other ones15:31
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inkbottleSpeedEvil, I don't remember very precisely, but i've done a lot of search a couple of weeks ago; it is something at 'garage'; and the last commit is very old: nothing had been done on microb code for ages, afaik15:32
alteregoinkbottle: microb is based on firefox 3.5 that is hardly old ...15:33
BCMMinkbottle: if you don't like microb, you can install firefox, chromium and some other ones15:33
SpeedEvilI think you may have been looking at the wrong codebase.15:33
BCMMinkbottle: but i don't think microb is that old15:33
SpeedEvilMicrob has had changes in pr1.215:33
inkbottleok, it's a mistake for me15:34
alteregoinkbottle: also, is there specific functionality that you require from some newer version of some software?15:34
BCMMdid they merge the latest upstream Gecko and such when making those changes btw?15:34
inkbottlebut the only site i've found it this one:
alteregoBCMM: not sure, I'm checking now.15:34
alteregoinkbottle: I think everything is in gitorious now ...15:35
SpeedEvilOk - that is hopelessly out of date15:35
alteregoinkbottle: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2b6pre) Gecko/20100318 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser RX-51 N90015:36
Termanaalterego, are you kidding me? Firefox 3.5 not hardly old. I'm rocking 3.7a4!15:36
alteregoinkbottle: doesn't really seem that old to me.15:36
alteregoTermana: :)15:36
hajspeaking of microb... it would be really nice if xmarks or something similar would be ported to microb..15:36
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inkbottlealterego, i'm sure your right, it's only i haven't found where is up to date site of the software15:37
Treibholzxmarks doesn't even work in Firefox, here...15:37
inkbottlei'm new using maemo/n90015:37
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mecebollocks, forgot to change pyside to python2.5 in one place.... ok uploading a new version.15:38
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alteregoinkbottle: well, even though microb isn't the latest firefox engine, unless there's specific functionaily you require from a more recent release, it seems kind of pointless wanting to upgrade :P15:39
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inkbottlealterego, it's only i haven't found where is the actual repos of microb, because all i found is from 200815:40
inkbottleso i don't understand15:41
inkbottlealterego, but in fact the only thing i want is to wiew this page correctly:
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inkbottle(it's an example)15:41
inkbottleit's the ipa part that is not ok15:42
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meceinkbottle, what ipa part?15:43
inkbottlemece, the pronunciation of the word in phonetic alphabet15:44
inkbottledoes not display15:44
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SpeedEvilinkbottle: The SVN in that has - limited - internationalasition fixes as recently as 4 months15:44
inkbottleok i opened the link15:45
SpeedEvilhowever microb claims a microb-engine date more recent than that15:46
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SpeedEvil I guess15:47
benno2I installed the maemo5 sdk using the gui installer and now I can login into scratchbox and see the FREEMANTLE_X86 target. Is qt 4.6.2 already installed ? if not how can I install it ?15:48
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inkbottleSpeedEvil, thanks for the last link15:49
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benno2fakeroot, and then apt-get install libqt4-dev,  is this ok to install Qt ?15:49
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inkbottleQuestion: anyone have the phonetic part of :
benno2which cpu transparency method should I chose when selecting the freemantle_armel target ? qemu-arm-sb or qemu-armeb-sb ? thanks.15:52
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Shapeshifteralterego: am I supposed to see the current song in the status thingy somewhere?15:53
meceinkbottle, looks fine on my N900.15:53
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Shapeshifteralterego: I enabled it in the settings but there's no effect15:54
meceinkbottle, fine as in exactly like on my desktop firefox15:54
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inkbottlemece, ok15:55
SpeedEviltimeless: - refers to a mercurial repository for microb development. Where is this?15:55
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inkbottlemece, so you have this too: /ˌmɪs.əlˈeɪ.ni.əs/?15:56
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Mece_inkbottle, I' here. on N90016:01
Mece_inkbottle, yes.16:01
inkbottleMece_, ok then :)16:02
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inkbottledo you have pr1.2?16:03
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infobotHowdy Bub16:03
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jcrawfordmorning guys16:05
Mece_inkbottle, me? yep i have 1.216:05
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jcrawfordi have been having some problems with my contacts, anyone else have issues with merged contacts becoming unmerged after a short time?16:06
inkbottle"this maemo update requires the nokia software update application on your pc for installation. Connect device to pc via usb cable and open nokia software update application. The application will guide you through the rest of the Maemo update."16:06
inkbottlewhere can i have informations about that?16:06
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Mece_inkbottle, you have conflicting software.16:06
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inkbottleno it's for the last update maemo516:07
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Mece_inkbottle, yes, and you have conflicting software16:07
inkbottleMece_, ok16:08
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Mece_inkbottle, qt libs I suspect.16:08
inkbottlewhat istaller can i use then to solve those conflict? (i can first remove that then)16:08
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Mece_gotta do some driving. afk.16:09
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inkbottleMece_, i don't get 'driving'16:10
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inkbottleand the default installer doesn't give much control16:12
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Mece_red light :)16:14
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Mece_inkbottle, I'm driving my car. that's what driving means.16:14
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inkbottleMece_, i couldn't imagine :), it's dangerous16:15
jcrawfordanyone else experienced this problem?16:16
jcrawfordto see it I added my exchange email account which also added my contacts.  I then added my Office Communicator account which duplicated the contacts.  I merged contacts but they seem to keep un-merging after some period of time.16:17
fralsis the mergingstuff being synced back to exchange/communicator?16:19
jcrawfordit does not seem so because i do not see the duplicate contacts in OWA16:19
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Mece_yay.. ok the magically rotating version of qlister (0.2-5) is now in extras-devel, and it even works.16:27
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fralsgah, transifex allows people to overwrite the .pot file :|16:30
hajMece_: Looks nice (from the screenshots) think I may actually have to stop using conboy for my shoppinglist ;)16:30
Mece_haj, :)16:30
Mece_haj, I made it out of personal need :) It's pretty convenient.16:31
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Mece_haj, vote if you like it.16:32
noobmonk3y_afklol Termana !!! nice link!16:32
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pigeonis there a reason why weatherbug isn't available when i go to the ovi store on the n900?16:33
Macerhow the hell do i delete this stupid mms connection the phone keeps trying to connect to?16:33
Maceri guess it is a remenant of when i tried fmms16:33
fralsfapn lets you delete it16:33
Macerand i cant find out how to delete it or to stop the phone from trying to connect to it16:33
Mece_pigeon perhaps it's non free?16:34
marmoutepigeon: because it's in the maem repositoty ?16:34
hajMece_: it seems a bit silly it doesn't fill out the screen in horizontal mode.16:34
Macerfrals: ok16:35
Macerwill try it out16:35
fralsMacer: otherwise let me know and ill guide you throu removing it manually16:35
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lardmannoobmonk3y: morning16:38
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lardman|busyat least people will know I won't reply then :)16:39
noobmonk3ylol frals , just seen the tweet - investimagating16:39
* noobmonk3y waves!16:39
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benno2question about maemo5 sdk: can I have audio input when I start an audio app within the sdk ? the app starts but then I get an error:: Alsa lib pulse.c: PulseAudio: unable to connect: connection refused:  and then : Unable to open input device "default"16:42
MohammadAG51afaik there's no audio output from the sdk16:43
pigeonit's weird though, i don't see weatherbug in app manager either16:43
pigeonthough apt-cache search shows it16:43
benno2any idea how to fix this ? I think I don't have pulse audio on the host running. do I need to start the pulse audio on the host ?16:43
fiferboyYay, resizable desktop widgets are so much easier in PR1.216:44
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pigeonand i can't apt-get install weatherbug, it just gives me E: Handler silently failed16:45
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pigeonif i browse the ovi store on my desktop, i can find weatherbug.16:46
pigeonwhich is also weird16:46
hajpigeon: you need to use OVI store16:46
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hajpigeon: just google it... that's what I did.. ;)16:46
pigeonhaj: but then i can't find it using ovi store on the n90016:46
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pigeonif i goto that link on the n900, it redirects me to the ovi store front page.16:48
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hajhm.. weird16:48
hajanyway, I couldn't browse my way to it either... I googled it, clicked the link, and then I could download it16:48
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hajuhm .. the danish version of OVI store says Weatherbug is no longer available16:49
pigeonmy n900 is US, but i'm in australia, i wonder if that's the reason16:49
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hajpigeon: anyways, the handler silently failed-error always comes when you try to apt-get a program that's only available through OVI16:53
loufoqueI still wonder what change the region-customized firmwares do16:53
loufoquedoes anyone know?16:53
loufoquepigeon: do you have the right repos?16:54
noobmonk3yfrals: building a non-pysided version - that stuff is evil, it refuses to be removed!16:54
loufoquenoobmonk3y: what's the problem with pyside? too big?16:54
noobmonk3ynot needed :)16:54
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noobmonk3ywith added qwerty12 goodness16:56
calvarisI am experiencing some trouble to get my package listed in the app manager16:56
noobmonk3yooo fmms in the build queue16:56
noobmonk3ycalvaris: which package?16:56
calvarisand it has already the Section: user/multimedia16:56
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noobmonk3yhmmmm no idea16:58
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calvarisit was wrong the first time17:00
calvaristhen I uploaded the second version with the right section17:00
calvarisbut it does not appear yet17:00
calvarisit seems that the package has the wrong section, though the code I uploaded the second time is right17:00
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MohammadAG51calvaris, link me to the page17:01
noobmonk3ywhen did you upload?17:01
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calvarisnoobmonk3y: I uploaded last week, don't remember when exactly17:02
noobmonk3yhmm should be in there by now17:02
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noobmonk3yassuming the latest ver is - mafw-grilo-source 0.1.0-217:03
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calvarisnoobmonk3y: yes, it is the last one17:03
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calvarisbut there it says Section: libs17:03
calvarisand I changed it to user/multimedia17:03
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noobmonk3yhmm tried a re-upload did you say>17:03
noobmonk3yauto-builder does sometimes have fun :P - the code and category looks fine to me, maybe X-Fade can have a buthers :)17:04
noobmonk3ywtf is up with my typing these days17:04
calvarisX-Fade: ?17:04
pigeonthat method worked.17:05
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noobmonk3yX-Fade: = god amongst us mere mortals.... or at least a clever person who knows what he is talking about :)17:05
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X-FadeWell, I actually think that Packages is right ;)17:06
MohammadAG51it's in libs17:06
calvarisX-Fade: what do you mean?17:06
X-FadeThis really should not be a user/* library ;)17:06
X-FadeIt should be a dependency for something else, not an install target on it's own?17:07
calvarisX-Fade: so I have to create a meta package just for that?17:07
X-Fadecalvaris: Why would your mother or uncle install this package?17:08
X-FadeFrom AM that is.17:08
calvarisbecause it provides plugins for the media player17:08
calvarisit is a lib, but with plugins that the media player will use17:09
X-FadeAh, ok. I thought it provided plugins for grillo.17:09
X-FadeSo the other way around ;)17:09
calvarisgrilo has its own packages17:09
crashanddieGAN900: +1 on MWKN17:11
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calvarisX-Fade: so what do you mean with the other way around?17:11
noobmonk3yFMTx is not usable when a usb cable is in using mass storage mode, didnt know that17:13
X-Fadecalvaris: Is 0.1.0-2 the latest version?17:13
calvarisX-Fade: yep17:13
X-Fadecalvaris: Check the deb then ;)17:13
X-Fadecalvaris: Section: libs17:13
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calvarisit has the right one in the debian control17:14
X-Fadecalvaris: That is what I see in the actual armel deb.17:14
calvarisX-Fade: I also see that, but that's not what is in the code17:14
Maceris it just me or is gtalk acting strange for anybody else?17:15
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X-Fadecalvaris: Well, then it is not Packages at fault ;)17:15
Macertoday it just keeps disconnecting and stuff17:15
X-Fadecalvaris: Your source is also libs.17:15
X-Fadecalvaris: Check after Package:17:16
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calvarismy source is not libs17:17
X-FadeIt is.17:17
calvarisI downloaded the code and the debian/control is right17:17
X-FadeCheck your control file line 1117:17
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X-FadeI feel this is a case of PEBCAK ;)17:18
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* noobmonk3y grins17:18
X-Fade"Problem Exists between Chair and Keyboard"17:18
* noobmonk3y lol's17:18
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LynoureThose are the best problems...17:19
Lynoureeasily fixed, usually :)17:19
noobmonk3ythanks X-Fade, sometimes common sense is all that is needed :)17:19
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: ping17:22
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: problems with garage mail delivery :-/ could you look into it?17:23
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Specific examples?17:24
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DocScrutinizersure, got two delivery-failed mails17:25
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fralsgaaaaaaaah why isnt dh_pysupport working properly all of a sudden!17:29
MohammadAG51old debhelper?17:29
MohammadAG51nvm, "all of a sudden" suggests it worked before17:30
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fralsabout 6 versions17:30
SpeedEvilI mean - I can see why nokia wouldn't want to do very complex software - but this isn't that.17:31
jogayay tried first video call, seemed to work, although I don't see a "video call" option to initiate one, I just pressed the "Camera" button after connecting a normal voice call17:31
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hrw~hail open source17:40
hrwcal-home-widget with 7 rows looks great17:40
* infobot bows down to open source and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"17:40
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: wow, awesome17:42
DocScrutinizerCorsac: see SpeedEvil 's url above17:42
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Corsachmhm, looks nice17:43
Corsacthough it doesn't seem to display tasks17:44
* TriztFromWork wants to go home17:45
hrwCorsac: it does not display tasks indeed17:46
* haj gets up and goes home17:47
hajsorry Trizt :)17:47
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wazdhello maemo :)17:52
* noobmonk3y looks at maemo waving at wazd 17:52
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* infobot waves goodbye.17:55
Corsac~wave wazd17:55
infobotBye, wazd17:55
Corsacwhy “bye”17:55
hrwhm. my local archive of debs has ~6500 files17:55
hrwquite lot passed though my n90017:55
wazdcya, infobot :)17:55
DocScrutinizerCorsac: maybe because waving is associated to leaving usually?17:56
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MOUDhey all18:21
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alteregoWorking on the last feature before I repackage this to extras-devel :)18:25
MohammadAG51alterego, the im updater doesn't clear the status when the music player's closed18:26
DocScrutinizeralterego: no fuzzy threatening please :-P18:26
alteregoMohammadAG51: that is one of the features I've added :P18:27
MohammadAG51alterego, cool18:27
alteregostop/pause now restore IM status18:27
MohammadAG51I was listening to the same song all night the other day18:27
alteregoI've also added debouncing for fast skipping of tracks, now there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status18:28
alteregoAlso added a button to enable/disable the service18:28
alteregoAnd a load of refactoring18:28
MohammadAG51there's a 5 second debounce period before it actually updates your status18:29
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alteregoMohammadAG51: well, I didn't like it updating the status whilst you were skipping through tracks, and apparently I crashed someones msn pecan plugin, or something.18:29
alteregoIt also no replaces with '<unknown>' if title/artist meta data is unavailable.18:30
infobotalterego meant: It also now replaces with '<unknown>' if title/artist meta data is unavailable.18:30
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alteregoAnyhow, gonna push it into extras-devel in an hour or so, once I've finished repackaging it.18:32
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alteregoThen, I've been using it myself, so if I don't see any problems, I'll push it to testing in the next couple of days18:32
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alteregoI'd push it straight to testing, but I think that's bad form really :)18:33
alteregoShould give it a little grace period in devel18:33
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MohammadAG51yeah, to see if it makes devices implode18:34
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jperez26Anyone here alive? *poke*18:38
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: mail issue seems to be fixed. Thanks :-)18:39
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noobmonk3yalterego: bad form? you can push it to testing whenever you want! lol18:40
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: though I doubt the18:42
DocScrutinizerOr by replying to this e-mail entering your response between the following markers:18:42
DocScrutinizer(enter your response here)18:42
DocScrutinizerpart will work, for answering to noreply@garage.org18:42
jperez26Can anyone spare a couple minutes of their time?18:43
jperez26I'm looking to get some information for my N81018:43
MOUDI am creating my own remote with IRreco but I can't find the model of my TV on the download list. What do I do?18:45
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DocScrutinizerjperez26: just ask18:45
jperez26Oh, right18:45
jperez26Well, I haven't used my N810 in a while nor have I really lurked the Maemo Talk forums since the release of the N90018:46
DocScrutinizerMOUD: find a compatible remote (using same chipset), or create your own config by recording the original remote. See LIRC homepage for details18:47
jperez26I'm looking to bring new life to my N810 and was either looking to get Mer or something else along those lines, but I see the Mer project was scrapped in favor of MeeGo, which doesn't seem to be N8x0-friendly18:47
MOUDDocScrutinizer: Nice, tks :)18:47
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DocScrutinizerjperez26: for meego /join #meego18:48
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DocScrutinizerjperez26: mer is actually "dead" - ask Stskeeps18:49
jperez26Yeah, I kinda got that from the Mer site, which is a shame really18:49
* MohammadAG51 resurructs Mer18:49
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, never kill a project18:49
MohammadAG51it's a bad step18:49
DocScrutinizermer has become meego, which isn't exactly N8x0 unfriendly18:50
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DocScrutinizerask Stskeeps18:50
DocScrutinizerthat's not *my* domain18:50
jperez26My overall question is what are my options for my N810?  I was ready to sell it a few months ago, but changed my mind18:50
jperez26AND that sounds like a good idea18:50
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, well you killed another project18:51
MohammadAG51i just forgot the channel name18:51
DocScrutinizerI'm frequently using my N810, with diablo18:51
alteregoI don't actually know what to do about my N810, I keep looking at it and feeling sad :D18:51
* DocScrutinizer kills MohammadAG5118:51
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jperez26I like Diablo, but I also liked the concept and overall idea of Mer18:51
MohammadAG51oi! i'm not a project18:51
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: don't spread lies!18:52
jperez26If I could afford an N900, I would, but sadly, I'm a cheap bastard18:52
* MohammadAG51 slaps DocScrutinizer 18:54
noobmonk3ySwa one go on ebay for #200 yesterday :)18:54
noobmonk3ygetting cheaper :)18:54
DocScrutinizerI got an unused packaged spare in my drawer ;-D18:55
alteregoActually, the N810 might make a nice Alarm clock/Photo-Frame18:55
alteregoAnd Alarm Radio ..18:55
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DocScrutinizerand whatnot... should get another 518:55
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, i can haz it?18:56
MohammadAG51as a memory for my after life18:56
* MohammadAG51 kicks DocScrutinizer 18:56
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GAN900All qwerty12 ever seems to post anymore are super offensive comments.18:58
DocScrutinizerduh... where?18:58
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MohammadAG51Diablo one?18:58
MohammadAG51he has a point lol18:58
noobmonk3yGAN900: I have to admit - that's one post that really has made me chuckle :P18:59
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MohammadAG51noobmonk3y, I was gonna thank him :P18:59
noobmonk3yand he's done nothing but help me in the healthcheck threads lol :P18:59
noobmonk3yMohammadAG51: he deserves a medal.....18:59
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MohammadAG51then i realized it would be...18:59
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: don't worry. You can remove thanks19:01
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, I know19:02
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MohammadAG51but it's still awkward19:02
MohammadAG51infobot, attack DocScrutinizer19:03
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer19:03
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* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.19:03
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* MohammadAG51 resurructs infobot 19:04
DocScrutinizerthat's really amazing19:04
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MohammadAG51infobot, fsck noobmonk3y19:04
infobote2fsck /dev/noobmonk3y : warning! filesystem contains idiots!19:04
jperez26DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info about MeeGo.  Still in very early development, but looks really promising19:05
DocScrutinizerafk, bbl19:06
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jperez26Anyone heard anything about Ubuntu-n8x0 or even deblet?  Everything seems to be for the N900 nowadays, which is a good thing don't get me wrong, but wondering about continuing developement of those on the N8x019:07
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luke-jrjperez26: N8x0 is reduced to MeeGo and Gentoo19:09
luke-jrboth in-progress ports19:09
luke-jrGentoo works the most right now afaik19:10
jperez26Yeah, read up on MeeGo, but didn't know about a Gentoo port19:10
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jperez26I also saw b-man's Fedora-arm project.  Looks very promising, unless that's N900 only19:10
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alteregoGentoo, the worlds worst linux distro :P19:14
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Chrome__~kill MohammadAG19:15
* infobot shoots a magneto-ionized photon gun at MohammadAG19:15
DocScrutinizerwho was it that called it wastedlifetoo19:15
satmdcan we stop bashing distros and metadistros?19:15
jperez26lol luke, I see why you encouraged it.  You're part of the team19:15
DocScrutinizerlol, ok19:15
MohammadAG51satmd, it's a curse I'm afraid19:16
satmdthere's people loving gentoo and hating ubuntu and the other way around, too19:16
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jperez26I'm currently running Ubuntu on my lappy :p19:16
satmdit depends on what one wants. period.19:16
CabletwitchBrown or Green.19:16
jperez26I agree satmd19:16
jperez26I went for the Elementary look19:17
satmdI'd recommend ubuntu to my workmates, but I use gentoo for development19:17
jperez26A nice silvery finish19:17
* RST38h yawns19:17
DocScrutinizerrecommending ubunto is really mean - oops another bashing :-P19:17
MohammadAG51all distros that have GNOME rock19:18
MohammadAG51KDE sucks19:18
DocScrutinizer/kick MohammadAG5119:18
jperez26Ubuntu is like the beginners Linux.  I'm still trying to get into Linux myself after a childhood of servitude with Windows T_T19:18
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konfooive been using linux since SLS and i use ubuntu19:18
MohammadAG51Debian won't install on my system19:18
CabletwitchLinux scares me. Almost as much as the deranged userbase... XD19:18
MohammadAG51so i'm stuck with ubuntu19:18
RST38hWhich userbase?19:19
DocScrutinizerjperez26: so you'll like that one:
jperez26I like GNOME over KDE, but KDE has a certain appeal still19:19
* RST38h knows a few deranged userbases19:19
konfooi dont have the time or inclination to much with stupid shit anymore19:19
CabletwitchRST38h: Present company excepted, I think. You guys are more helpful than some I've encountered.19:19
MohammadAG51GNOME owns all19:19
* MohammadAG51 cues DocScrutinizer's kick19:19
jperez26pro lol19:20
RST38hAh, don't you judge us too soon =)19:20
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MohammadAG51alterego, reminder, 15 minutes till the importer runs19:20
RST38hwazd: Hey, are you there?19:21
CabletwitchOh, I assume all knowledgeable people can be right utter bastards too, dont you worry. I've used the net long enough to have have the required level of jaded cynicism.19:21
wazdRST38h: yep19:21
* MohammadAG51 didn't get kicked19:21
wazdRST38h: moo :)19:21
RST38hwazd: Could you give me a little bit of artistic help?19:21
wazdRST38h: sure19:21
RST38hwazd: Need two bitmaps corresponding to progress bars19:21
MohammadAG51RST38h, XChat makeover? :)19:21
CabletwitchYou mistyped 'autistic' there, RST38h ;O)19:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: !!!! what's with my xchat??19:22
RST38hwazd: To be included into a version of the Carbon theme19:22
jperez26Funny, using that too...19:22
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it uses Gnome :P19:22
DocScrutinizerkeep it19:22
RST38hwazd: Want them to be striped, in some accent color (let us say, blue)19:22
MohammadAG51and he's switching to gconf for settings19:22
RST38hwazd: Tried doing my own, but it does not look very good19:22
* MohammadAG51 laughs19:22
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RST38hwazd: GNOME Clearlooks theme has a progress bar that is close to what I want19:23
RST38hwazd: Example here:
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jperez26You know, the only thing I hate about GNOME is the icon grid for the desktop...other than that, it's quite peachy19:25
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wazdRST38h: not sure if it's possible with current theme engine19:29
RST38hwazd: oh, it is19:29
wazdRST38h: let me see :)19:29
RST38hwazd: the progress bar will not rotate, but the static striped bar is ok too19:29
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* jperez26 waits for n810 to charge some more...19:30
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wazdRST38h: then I don't see any problems :)19:31
wazdRST38h: you need wxactly the same look?19:32
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RST38hwazd: same or close, as you see fit19:32
RST38hwazd: I made some other modifications to the theme, mostly rollbacks to the default one19:32
wazdRST38h: I was thinking about making completely flat theme :D19:33
RST38hwazd: the bars and the bug with the menu borders are the last remaining ones19:33
wazdRST38h: like WM719:33
RST38hwazd: Well, it depends on how flat you want it to be :)19:33
wazdRST38h: absolutely flat :)19:33
RST38hwazd: there is a flat theme like that, but I am afraid it does not look very well. I am not sure WM7 looks good either :(19:34
RST38hwazd: The Carbon approach, with flat recessed keys and subdued colors, looks like the way to go19:34
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wazdRST38h: yeah, looks like you're right, diagonal stripes are possible :)19:36
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wazdRST38h: if you can hit me with archived files that you need to edit - that would be awesome :)19:37
wazdRST38h: I don't have sliced theme actually :)19:38
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RST38ha moment19:39
RST38hdcc away19:40
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RST38hMohammad: Looks like Iran is finally going for the big boom! =)19:41
MohammadAG51they're nuking Germany? :P19:41
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wazdRST38h: radikal maybe?19:42
RST38hWIll just email instead19:42
wazdRST38h: fine :)19:42
RST38hMohammad: Not sure about Germany, but they have got closer targets indeed.19:42
* wazd sees some new stuff in PR 1.2 theme template...19:42
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wazdRST38h: got it19:47
wazdnice cartoonish look :)19:47
loufoqueanyone knows of a good playable game on the N900?19:48
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pupnik_what type19:48
wazdloufoque: mahjong? :)19:48
loufoquethere are many ports of games or emulators, but they key mappings are not good enough for them to be playable imho19:48
RST38hwazd: the original (by joppu) had a few wrinkles the author flatly refused to fix19:48
pupnik_i hear real mahjong is multiplayerf19:49
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RST38hpupnik: there are multiple games using the same tiles19:49
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wazdpupnik_: one player sets the shit up, second demolishes :D19:49
noobmonk3yis pyqt 4.7.3 in general release?19:49
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RST38hHmmm...Symbian has got an Incubator19:50
pupnik_maybe i know a programmer who could implement MP mahjong19:50
RST38hThat is where they grow the hallucinogenic toads, I guess19:51
* noobmonk3y prods w00t_ :)19:51
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w00t_honestly, not sure, I haven't checked pyqt in a while19:52
noobmonk3ylol :P19:52
noobmonk3ythank you though :)19:52
loufoquei'd prefer a different style than mahjong19:52
pupnik_pipedream: find a way to make every key and all bezel contain photovoltaic solar panel :)19:52
* noobmonk3y blames frals19:52
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MohammadAG51uncooked trouts19:53
noobmonk3y:P removed pyside and now h/c has qt issues with some people, beforehand pyside controlled stackable windows :P19:53
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noobmonk3yMohammadAG51, ?19:53
MohammadAG51who spells stereo as stero19:53
noobmonk3yno idea?19:53
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noobmonk3yi am special though19:53
noobmonk3ychanged that, thanks mo19:54
fralsnoobmonk3y, need votes!
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infobotit has been said that mohammadag is special19:54
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noobmonk3yfrals,  can you get rid of the hopefully part? in 'Send and receive MMS, hopefully.'19:55
fralswhy? :D19:55
fralsits not a sure thing ive realised!19:55
fralsmostly due to user error thou ;)19:55
MohammadAG51infobot, noobmonk3y is a huge trout19:56
noobmonk3yhow do i set healthcheck to require 4.6 .... in the imports?19:56
infobotMohammadAG51: okay19:56
infobothmm... noobmonk3y is a huge trout19:56
wazdRST38h: what color do you want to use?19:56
noobmonk3yinfobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel.....19:56
infobot...but noobmonk3y is already something else...19:56
fralsnoobmonk3y: you set it in the depends19:56
wazdRST38h: same blue or gray or anything?19:57
noobmonk3yffs infobot19:57
fralse.g. Depends : python2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6)19:57
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MohammadAG51infobot, forget noobmonk3y19:57
infobotMohammadAG51: i forgot noobmonk3y19:57
MohammadAG51infobot noobmonk3y is a huge trout most of the time, other times he can be a slimey mackerel.....19:57
infobotMohammadAG51: okay19:57
noobmonk3yso that should force the correct version or piss people who don't have it off?19:57
fralswe agreed the other day that noobmonk3y is a sardine19:57
fralsnoobmonk3y: ye19:57
noobmonk3yfrals, i'm a morphong trout19:57
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wazdtime for revolutions!19:58
wazdrevolution #1:
wazdthey reinvented floders!19:58
MohammadAG51infobot, noobmonk3y is also a sardine19:58
infobotMohammadAG51: okay19:58
RST38hOMG they invented folders19:59
fralslol wazd19:59
RST38hAnd Maemo5 still does not have folders!19:59
* SpeedEvil submitted a bug about that!19:59
RST38hDown, DOWN with Maemo5! iPhone reigns supreme!19:59
RST38hSpeedEvil: Actually, Maemo5 supports folders but they disabled those19:59
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wazdRST38h: now when maemo5 will get folders at last, everyone will say that it just copied an iPhone20:00
* RST38h enjoys Apple-free newsfeeds20:00
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RST38hwazd: Of course. Lame copycats they are, those finns20:00
wazdRST38h: pick the color though :)20:00
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RST38hwazd: I think the original gnome blue should do20:00
noobmonk3yfrals, at the moment i just import python2.5-qt4-gui, python2.5-qt4-core, should i replace them withpython2.5-qt4 (>= 4.6)20:00
RST38hwazd: green/red/yellow generally have meanings, and violet is just too...violet.20:01
fralsnoobmonk3y: dunno what the correct version is but you specify required version by putting it inside ()20:01
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fralsnoobmonk3y: put >= whatever is the latest20:01
fralsand you should be fine ;D20:01
wazdRST38h: no gloss? gnome has slight20:01
RST38hwazd: Meanwhile, our friend Eldar has been dumped (again):
noobmonk3ymy device says 4.7.3-maemo520:01
RST38hwazd: A bit of gloss will not harm it20:02
wazdRST38h: accordeon :)20:02
noobmonk3yof core anyway20:02
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noobmonk3yoh the main version does too20:02
wazdRST38h: he seriously suffers from some rare mental illness20:02
fralswazd: highlights in english? ;P20:02
RST38hwazd: ЧСВ?20:02
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noobmonk3ythe question is (>= 4.7.3) or (>= 4.7.3-maemo5)20:02
RST38hwazd: ФГМ?20:02
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mc_teo`SpeedEvil: would you count the fact that everytime the battery is removed, the n900 shows the lang/region/time/date setup menu, on next reboot, a bug?20:03
fralsnoobmonk3y: the latter20:03
wazdfrals: well, Nokia said to Eldar "fuck you" in formal words :D20:03
wazdfrals: and he's pissed20:03
alteregomc_teo`: I would, if that happened to me :P20:03
mc_teo`alterego: i took out the sim to, so want to try reproduce?20:03
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fralswazd: about time :)20:03
RST38hfrals; Not even that. Nokia simply stopped given Eldar the standard treatment given to journos20:04
wazdRST38h: no, seriously, his phrase about "I 'll stay here forever" is creepy :)20:04
SpeedEvilmc_teo`: I know there is a little battery in there.20:04
RST38hfrals: No more PR releases, no invitations to events, no officially leaked news20:04
alteregomc_teo`: Well, I've done both and I do it quite regularlary ..20:04
SpeedEvilmc_teo`: I haven't yet  worked out what it's connnected to.20:04
RST38hwazd: He is welcome to stay there forever, as far as I am concerned20:04
alteregomc_teo`: I'll have a check in a bit, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't make a difference if the SIM is in or not :P20:04
dr34mgood evening... i just got this skype working here and had my first phone call via skype on the n900.. does anybody know if this is for sure for free? or how i can chekc that? and is it possible to have a video connection ? because it didnt work here20:04
RST38hAs a monument to his own stupidity.20:04
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mc_teo`alterego: i meant  i just took out the battery to switch sim cards, and then it showed the menu20:05
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mc_teo`and it showed again, when i swapped them back20:05
alteregoOh, right20:05
GAN900RST38h, Eldar is wonderfully entertaining though.20:05
alteregomc_teo`: probably sim swap20:05
RST38hGAN900: Yes, he knows how to throw a freak show20:06
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GAN900I'll miss the broken English window into his insanity.20:06
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GAN900I dunno how he became so "respected" in the first place.20:06
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RST38hWell, his main audience is Russian, so they do not get to enjoy his English. He is still pretty entertaining though.20:08
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wazd I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in  me20:12
wazdOh fuck, humanity is doomed20:12
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Stskeepsprobably to steal your ipad20:13
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RST38hwazd: You have got an iPad?20:14
wazdRST38h: that's not my quote ofcourse :D20:14
RST38hAh the horror...20:14
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SpeedEvilBut it doesn't even have a vibrator motor does it?20:15
SpeedEvilEscape is cheating.20:16
RST38hwazd: Kills 'em dead.20:16
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SpeedEvilAnyone point me at microb source?20:17
SpeedEvilI can't seem to find the uptodate stuff20:17
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frals"Thank you for having us today. Today we're introducing 'Farming' for the iPhone. 'Farmville' is our most popular game, and we're excited to bring it to the most popular mobile platform in the world."20:21
fralsoh, they releasing it for symbian? :+20:21
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matthew-frals: wow ;-)20:21
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matthew-frals: was that on WWDC?20:22
MohammadAG51frals, you play farmville?20:22
Stskeepsfrals: dear god20:22
fralsmatthew-: yeah, lol20:22
slonopotamuswho is on duty today?20:23
matthew-are they retarded?20:23
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matthew-frals: have u got any 'actual' figures when it comes to Mobile Platform Users?20:23
fralsmatthew-: nope20:23
matthew-frals: cause Mark Brailey from Intel got BURNED when he said 'Intel is the first company to offer multi core processors'20:24
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matthew-ah gartner20:25
luke-jrfrals: that's just produced/sold in a quarter20:25
luke-jrit doesn't account for usage20:25
matthew-Worldwide Smartphone Sales to End Users by Operating System in 1Q10 (Thousands of Units)20:25
matthew-yeah well, if more people bought symbian based ones..20:25
matthew-they will kinda use it ;D20:25
wazd"With Farmville on the iPhone, you'll be able to farm anytime, anywhere.  But I'm most excited about how good tractoring just got"20:26
matthew-but thats only q11q1020:26
luke-jrspecifically, it ignores phones sold 10 years ago that still work20:26
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matthew-luke-jr: well still :D20:26
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wazdRST38h: done20:28
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matthew-that's interesting20:29
matthew-i dont believe ipone's got nearly 30% market share globally20:29
matthew-no f way20:29
RST38hwazd: thanks =)20:30
wazdmatthew-: US20:30
matthew-wazd: it's blobaly20:30
wazdmatthew-:  They said what is the marketshare in the US? RIM, #1 with 35%, iPhone,  28%, Windows 19%, Android 9%.20:30
matthew-there you go20:30
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wazdmatthew-: I see 14%20:31
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matthew-wazd: yeah20:31
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matthew-but still im interested why iPhone would be the most popular one20:31
wazdRST38h: just finished the first season of Fringe. Drama :)20:32
matthew-if they said so on WWDC20:32
matthew-if it isn't BURN BURN BURN :p20:32
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matthew-and apparently android will be 2nd20:32
wazd "I don't know if you've ever seen this."20:33
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wazdwell, kudos to Jobs :)20:33
bernieis meego something I could install on my n900 without horribly breaking everything?20:33
wazdhe knows how to entertain the audience :)20:33
berniefor example, can it be installed in a separate partition?20:33
wazdbernie: not yet20:33
RST38hwazd: Fringe is good. Kinda idea-free though20:33
matthew-wazd: Hmmm,20:33
RST38hwazd: I guess you are through all Firefly episodes by now?20:34
johnsqbernie: there arn't applications yet in the n900 image20:34
matthew-is there any link to the PR20:34
matthew-from WWDC?20:34
t_s_onew ideas are in short supply on all fronts these days20:34
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wazdoh, glass back, that's cool20:34
wazdRST38h: no actually :)20:34
xDaReaperxhow is everyone20:34
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t_s_oi suspect we need something really new from physics or some kind of mind/machine interface before we get of this repeating threadmill that we are on20:34
xDaReaperxyeah Live from WWFC20:34
Surfamatthew-, well, android has very good offering in devices20:35
SpeedEvilAlso - browser can be underrepresented.20:35
RST38hwazd: You should then =)20:35
matthew-its not an iPhone20:35
matthew-its THE iPhone20:35
SpeedEvilIf your users do not like the browser, and don't use it much - your phone won't count much in that survey20:35
matthew-and still rim's got biggest market share20:35
matthew-thuth be told20:36
matthew-i will probly get the 4G20:36
matthew-just to see how it works20:36
xDaReaperxwell i wonder what will be new in the iPhone 4G20:36
t_s_ohrmf, 6 months from now, every to bit phone maker will be talking about thin phones, razr all over again?20:36
fralsit got... INTEGRATED ANTENNAS20:36
Surfaand what new does the iphone 4g offer, why would it be called 4g?20:36
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matthew-frals: How did they manage it??20:36
SpeedEvilI want a pop-up antenna.20:37
noobmonk3yhmmm i need brains20:37
ShadowJKI want an antenna connector20:37
wazdI heard nokia already used this tech somewhere...20:37
SpeedEvilWhen using the n900 in landscape mode, with the keyb open - much of the signal is blocked20:37
ShadowJKSo I can attach some serious +19db directional antenna20:37
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Well - that too.20:37
t_s_othe superlative carpet bomb and astroturfing have begun20:37
noobmonk3ythe fm frequency is coming back in this format 107900 when it should read as 107.90  ... hmmmmmmmm20:37
SpeedEvilShadowJK: There are alternatives of course20:37
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you want a hole in the case to access the connector :-P20:37
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noobmonk3yany quick python to turn it into the correct value?20:38
fralsnoobmonk3y: dived by 1k20:38
matthew-can I haz an iFon?20:38
noobmonk3yi did20:38
microlith326 ppi20:38
noobmonk3ydidnt work20:38
xDaReaperxAtleast iPhone has a few game maker companies with them , nokia has none20:38
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, there are already holes, what's one more :D20:38
noobmonk3yjust gave me 10720:38
xDaReaperxeven EA left Nokia20:38
noobmonk3yseems to auto round20:38
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so just drill it20:38
DocScrutinizerthe connectors seem to be all there already X-P20:39
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fralsnoobmonk3y: float(107900)/1k20:39
t_s_oSpeedEvil: never annoy an engineer?20:39
noobmonk3yalmost frals20:40
ShadowJKor maybe I could buy one of those HSPA+ modems that come with TWO full size SMA connectors :D20:40
noobmonk3ythen i get 107.920:40
t_s_o300dpi? i would say it depends more on the distance from the screen then the dpi count20:40
noobmonk3ynot 107.9020:40
DocScrutinizerCellular RF test connector    X750020:40
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fralsnoobmonk3y: round() should be able to give you precision you want20:40
wazdtoo much happiness bout the display I think :)20:40
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t_s_otho you can be sure that a lot of mediaphiles will be using that as a justification for talking about the dpi count of their last penile extension20:41
frals"retina display", just say its a 326dpi display?20:41
wazdfrals: well, branding always works20:42
noobmonk3yfrals, a = round(float(a) /1000,5) (Used 5 as 2,3,4 all did the same) still gives 107.920:42
wazdfrals: your mind will catch iPhone 4 much faster than Nokia 69282120:42
t_s_ofrals: remember, its the company that needs to call their optical drives "superdrive"20:42
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ^^^20:42
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: or was it about GPS? or maybe WiFi/BT?20:43
xDaReaperxrofl : 10:41AM "You know you could help me out, if you're on WiFi if you could just get off... well we're having a little problem here." Oh boy, the iPhone 4 is NOT loading.20:43
noobmonk3yis everyone on the planet talking to frals tonight lol20:43
derft_s_o: They called their floppy drives that, too, back in the day.20:43
xDaReaperxwell not me20:43
wazdbut the design is sexy20:43
frals"Okay, we're going to switch over to some backups here, I have a feeling we might have the same problem..." Deadly silent here. Oooh, error ballon about the dock connector! "Well geez..." Wow.20:43
t_s_oderf: why am i not surprised20:43
fralsBSOD moment20:43
wazdI've said that before and I was sure that the back is made of glass :)20:43
derfIt almost meant something then, because they could read single density, double density, _and_ high density floppies.20:44
t_s_ohuh, a live demo that fails during a apple event? must be sabotage...20:44
xDaReaperxhaha Fail : 10:43AM Someone is going down for this network glitch.20:44
matthew-10:04AM "It is magical, I know it because I got this email: I was sitting in a café with my iPad, and it got a girl interested in me!." "So there's proof." Huge cheers.20:45
matthew-materialistic whore20:46
t_s_osit at a cafe doing anything "unusual" and some girl will inevitably walk up and wonder whats going on20:46
Stskeepsthe story does not say if it was a female dog going to piss on him20:46
matthew-oh im gonna flame the guy from ZYNGA20:47
wazd78% of the pixels on iPad. 800% of the pixels on Nokia 3210! Isn't that magical?20:47
fralsRE: Display "We think this will set the standard, and no one is going to come close."20:47
* SpeedEvil sighs.20:47
fralsso 326dpi 960x640 display is impossible for anyone else? O_o20:47
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wazd"So that is the Retina Display. Awesome text, awesome images, and awesome  video. We think this will set the standard, and no one is going to come  close."20:47
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wazdoh yeah20:48
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wazdsay hello to Tosh G900 with 3" 800x480 display20:48
* slonopotamus enables anti-marketing-bullshit shields20:48
matthew-pexi: I bet Steve put advert in Bravo Girl20:48
matthew-Email Steve about your experience with girls and iPad20:48
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t_s_oslonopotamus: sorry, your shields needs to be remodulated for reality distorition fields if they are to help against a steve jobs presentation20:49
xDaReaperxthe iPhone 4 is powered by the A4 chip.20:49
t_s_othat one will probably show up in more and more apple products over time20:50
matthew-Ok how will the glass front/back respond to being with keys20:51
matthew-in my pocket20:51
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matthew-iphone 3g didnt respond well...20:51
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matthew-and wait. they increased the amount of pixels by 4 times20:51
matthew-and the max is 30020:51
fralshmm, whats the benefit of a gyro over an accelerometer in reality?20:51
matthew-and they've got 326...20:51
t_s_omatthew-: more case sales for third parties this way20:51
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t_s_ofrals: i would say the two things are basically one and the same20:52
wazdfrals: the question is, what's the point of having both of them same time :)20:52
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matthew-10:38AM "People haven't even dreamed about a display like this"20:52
konfooi gave up on the iphone after the touchscreen died as a result of me taking it out of my pocket20:52
fralsyeah thats what im curious about - i was under the impression one of them would be enough20:52
matthew-Like text in a fine printed book20:53
matthew-text aint that fine ;D20:53
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xDaReaperx10:52AM Steve is knocking blocks of wood out.20:53
frals"a whole new camera system" -- front cam? ;D20:54
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zomgfrals: that would probably be "first of a kind" or "revolutionary"20:55
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slonopotamushmm... my desktop linux install is approaching 4th anniversary. time to upgrade hw, i think20:55
t_s_ohmm, seems the gyro and the accelerometer are two different things, but can be used for much the same.20:55
xDaReaperxSo we've gone from 3 megapixel to 5 megapixel20:55
xDaReaperxthey have a 5MP camera now20:55
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t_s_othe gyro stays the same direction no matter what the motion, while the accelerometer should detect where down is at any time, at least in theory20:56
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t_s_obackside illuminated sensor? another for the buzzword bingo?20:58
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slonopotamust_s_o: illuminated sensor?20:58
slonopotamusthat doesn't make sense20:59
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t_s_oseems they have put a light behind the photo sensor to help with low light images in some way20:59
wazdbackside illuminated sensor = LED flash20:59
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t_s_owell, the closest thing i can think of are cats eyes, and how they reflect light to help with low light vision20:59
wazdoh my god20:59
frals'one click sharing' -> 'then with a few taps email it right on the phone'20:59
Stskeepswhat, like n900 has?21:00
fralsyeah, i knew i recognized it!21:00
t_s_oheh, i thought my old feature phone could do that21:00
luke-jrStskeeps: any idea why OMAP MMC is broken in mainline and what part of your patch fixes it? :P21:00
t_s_oare really US phones that bad?21:00
wazdStskeeps: n900 has nothing with this revolutionary breakthru21:01
wazdStskeeps: how can you even mention it21:01
fralsediting videos on device looks good thou21:01
fralsi wouldnt want to postprocess a 720p video on my phone, but nice to be able to21:01
wazdfrals: yeah, it's like photoshop on a netbook :)21:01
Stskeepsluke-jr: internal MMC is broken sstill21:01
Stskeepson n8x021:02
Stskeepser, n81021:02
jacekowskiwell, gallery2 sharing is like 3 clicks21:02
jacekowskimore if i want to type a name and description21:02
wazdI still like the hardware design though :)21:02
konfoopoor att how is their network going to handle this21:03
xDaReaperxdoes N900 support 720 p recording ?21:03
fralsgreat, facebookfeed started getting spammed with "i want iphone4" :<21:03
luke-jrStskeeps: is it?21:03
JaffaBTW, anyone know of a git port for fremantle?21:03
Stskeepsluke-jr: afaik21:03
luke-jrStskeeps: in any case, mainline won't boot due to MMC issues21:03
fralsJaffa: git-core21:03
fralsJaffa: if you want the client, that is21:04
Jaffafrals: repo?21:04
TrewasI think that will get some updates soonish :)21:04
fralsJaffa: devel i think21:04
Jaffafrals: yeah21:04
jacekowskisince when it's called mainline21:04
jacekowskinot vanilia21:04
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wazdheh, Jobs has pretty self-sarcastic mood today :)21:04
fralsJaffa: should be either devel/testing/extras since i have it on my 'not sdk junk' phone :)21:04
wazd"Isn't that awesome? So iMovie for iPhone... you'll be able to buy this  for $4.99... if we approve it."21:04
fralsnp :)21:04
xDaReaperxlol ya21:05
t_s_oi think i prefer the google io presentations :P21:05
wazdJobs is taking hostages :D21:06
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xDaReaperx11:05AM Oh my god. Jobs is asking everyone to turn off their network cards and MiFis!21:07
RST38hIs he going to detonate the Big One now?21:07
RST38hThe EMP one?21:07
xDaReaperxnow the ppl at engadget will be using a 3G card21:07
frals"So number 6 -- iPhone OS 4. The most advanced mobile operating system in the world. First off, we're going to rename it." "iOS 4"21:07
StskeepsRST38h: nah, he'll redress and re-appear as the antichrist21:07
StskeepsiOS 4?21:08
fralsdoesnt cisco have ios registred as a TM?21:08
xDaReaperxiOS 4!21:08
xDaReaperxrenamed iPhone 4G21:08
xDaReaperxOS 421:08
RST38hOr is he simply afraid that demonstrating that shiny iMovie over WiFi will fail with other WiFi clients in the room?21:08
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Stskeepswhy do i sense trademark lawsuit by cisco?21:08
RST38hSts: Cisco will submit to the supreme power of the reality distortion field21:09
RST38hSts: After all, they had iPhone too21:09
xDaReaperxThere are some big new features -- the first being multitasking21:09
frals"We've added folders, and a whole bunch of other things I won't have time to demo today, but I'd like to demo these few things."21:09
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RST38hOMG multitasking21:09
* RST38h is frozen dead with awe21:10
frals"I'm going to play some music, now I'm going to check some mail. Now I'm going to go to webpage and fine out if we did turn off our WiFi devices."21:10
fralso - m - g21:10
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t_s_ohmm, how long until we see desktop products with this "ios"?21:10
konfoobut hold on a second - is that music from an app, or itunes21:10
RST38hHe is gonna go to a webpage!!!21:10
slonopotamusRST38h: sounds exciting :)21:10
RST38ht_s_o: Desktop is yesterday21:11
t_s_oRST38h: maybe so, but the ipad still have a keyboard dock21:11
RST38ht_s_o: Multitasking on your iPhone is the future21:11
konfooeating apple's dogfood is your future21:11
konfooyou dont have to choose, we choose for you21:11
wazdmultitasking on a phone?!21:11
wazdHow's that? Unicorn dust?!21:12
zvirubhave a problem - installed the new maemo 5 on my N900. have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it??21:12
RST38hzvirub: Locales failed to install21:12
wazdmultitasking and folders - 21st century!21:12
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RST38hzvirub: I would start by rebooting21:13
RST38hzvirub: And selection your locale via settings21:13
fralslol they made folders one of the big things to highlight21:13
* frals dies a little21:13
wazdwhole iPhone is as thick as n900's screen :)21:14
xDaReaperxwe cant create folders on the n900 isnt it ?21:14
zvirubwill try. thanks. did try to restart. what do you mean in rebooting? different than re-powering??21:14
xDaReaperxoh wait we can21:14
t_s_oapparently, nokia did multitasking right on symbian...21:14
fralswait wat21:14
frals"Microsoft has done a great job on this. Check it out, it's kinda cool."21:14
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xDaReaperxiOS device will be solt this month21:16
xDaReaperxsold *21:16
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Surfawazd, where's the qwerty keyboard?21:16
wazdSurfa: aw cmon :)21:16
wazdSurfa: qwerty keyboard is 2cm thick? :)21:17
Surfabut where is it?21:17
Surfawhere can I find in iphone21:17
zvirubrst38h - thanks a lot. could you please instruct me how to restart, if beyond re-booting?21:17
wazdnever mind21:17
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Surfatoo bad if it's ain't there21:18
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Gadgetoid_iMacI dare not say it, but my N900 is probably going up onto ebay pronto21:19
wazdqwerty keyboard is a poor excuse for n900's thickness :)21:19
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fralsfwiw the new iphone does look pretty21:19
ShadowJKgyro and threaded mails!21:19
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wazdyeah, design is great21:20
fralsbut im not sure how id like a device without the hw qwerty, ive grown quite fond of it!21:20
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Gadgetoid_iMacI love the N900 from a geek perspective, but still miss my iPhone21:20
Gadgetoid_iMacfrals: yeah, me too21:20
xDaReaperxi'm guessing with the iPhone 4 out , the N900 will be lashed21:20
Gadgetoid_iMacI still can't type on the iPhones screen, my fingers just have a fit21:20
zvirub_have a problem - installed the new maemo 5 on my N900. have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it??21:20
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slonopotamusGadgetoid_iMac: you have gcc on it?21:20
b-man|laptopit looks solid too, admittedly21:20
b-man|laptoptoo bad both sides of it may shader if dropped21:20
Gadgetoid_iMacslonopotamus: On whatnow?21:20
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slonopotamusGadgetoid_iMac: on N90021:21
RST38hwazd: do you by any chance know where menu borders are in the template?21:21
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xDaReaperxiAd hmm21:23
Gadgetoid_iMacApple definitely like to make their names as confusing as possible21:24
xDaReaperxwut names ?21:24
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Gadgetoid_iMaciPod iPad iAd iOS421:24
Gadgetoid_iMacGive more letters plz!21:24
RST38hbPod bPad bAd bOS4?21:25
b-man|laptopbAd lol21:25
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t_s_oah, now i understand the gyro. gaming!21:27
t_s_onintendo did something similar with their wiimote+21:27
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xDaReaperxyeah gyro's for gaming21:28
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tuliobaarsHey, someone wanna talk about OS2008 Development? or Alternatives for N8x0?21:33
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RST38hOk, there is one good thing about this announcement.21:37
RST38hThe screen resolutions will be going up.21:37
sECuREfacetime (video calls) also sounds interesting21:37
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b-man|laptop"300dpi is the limit for what your eyes can see"21:38
b-man|laptoppfft.. i bet you $10 i can still see pixels21:38
* b-man|laptop has very good closeup vision21:39
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konfoothe human eye is @ 17000ppi. that's about even for dpi21:41
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konfooso the real question is, what is the focal length that the phone needs to be held at for their claims to be valid21:42
konfooarm's length?21:42
konfoowe get this same kind of bs in the hdtv industry21:43
konfoothe old 'here's a 42" set with 1080p! see the difference from 720p!' well, not if youre sitting 15ft from it...21:43
konfoogod and the 3d tv industry is even worse. lets not even go there21:44
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GAN900konfoo, you can tell.21:46
GAN900And 3D is amazing.21:46
konfoohaha surely you jest21:46
konfooits a novelty21:47
GAN900konfoo, how old are you?21:47
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konfooof what relevance is my age?21:48
GAN900konfoo, because whether you want to admit it or not, 3D is the future.21:48
crashanddieGAN900: silvermountain has started a crusade against me.21:49
konfoo3d in its current form is not21:49
GAN900crashanddie, been there, had him holywaring on my ass before.21:49
GAN900crashanddie, so don't complain to me. :D21:49
b-man|laptopcan't wait for those sci-fi holographic TVs and computer monitors to come out xD21:49
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xDaReaperxi wish i got a iPhone21:49
crashanddieGAN900: not complaining, just making you aware of it, just as you kept me aware when it was your turn21:50
konfooand as an artform 2d film will not die out21:50
MohammadAG51/part #maemo I wish i got an iPhone21:50
MohammadAG51solves your and our problem :)21:50
crashanddieI wish I *had*21:50
crashanddieMohammadAG51: be nice, dear.21:50
crashanddieMohammadAG51: I'll show you the correct way to handle this.21:51
GAN900konfoo, didn't say that.21:51
GAN900crashanddie, lol.21:51
* MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn21:51
crashanddiexDaReaperx: you own an N900, yes?21:51
* b-man|laptop grabs a handful of MohammadAG51's popcorn21:51
E0xiphone is crap ( a ex iphone owner )21:51
crashanddiexDaReaperx: you know of websites such as ebay, or craigslist?21:51
xDaReaperxebay yes21:52
* MohammadAG51 can see where this is going21:52
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crashanddiexDaReaperx: then feel free to set up an ad for your N900. I'm pretty sure you'll get enough money to buy an unlocked iPhone21:52
xDaReaperxur telling me to sell the n900 ?21:52
konfoogan900: once again, how is age relevant to this discussion21:52
xDaReaperxand but the i phone?21:52
crashanddiekonfoo: off-topic then, how old are you?21:53
E0xxDaReaperx: how old is you n900 ?21:53
konfoo38. relevance?21:53
xDaReaperxbought it on may 27th21:53
crashanddiekonfoo: no relevance, it's off-topic21:53
xDaReaperxfew weeks21:53
crashanddiexDaReaperx: then it'll definitely fetch a good price.21:53
E0xhow much cost you ?21:53
GAN900konfoo, because I find older folks are generally more resistant to new trends.21:54
konfooits not a new trend21:54
MohammadAG51crashanddie, I expected a different way to handle it21:54
xDaReaperx510 $21:54
MohammadAG51one that involved /cs op :P21:54
konfoowe already had a flash in the pan for 3d in the early 80s21:54
b-man|laptopmy grandparents think computers are an essence of evil LOL21:54
konfooand another flash in the pan for 3d in the early 90s21:54
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: nha, he still has an n900 and isn't obviously trolling21:54
konfooand problems like axis, intra-ocular distance, viewing angle - these are still unsolved21:55
MohammadAG51crashanddie, oh, I didn't say kick him21:55
MohammadAG51I was hinting at kicking yourself21:55
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crashanddiexDaReaperx: stop trolling, or this will happen to you21:55
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konfoothe CE industry is clearly selling 3d tvs for the estinated additional $6Bn in profit since they have tapped out resolutions at 1080p21:55
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konfooits that simple21:55
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MohammadAG51/ban crashanddie21:55
b-man|laptopcrashanddie, +121:55
MohammadAG51damn, too slow21:56
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MohammadAG51it lives!21:56
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, trolls deserve a permban21:56
xDaReaperxoh i wan't trolling21:56
MohammadAG51please demo that on yourself21:57
crashanddieif a guy stealing your browser history doesn't deserve a permban21:57
crashanddieI don't see how this would21:57
MohammadAG51anyways, demo it on yourself21:57
crashanddieOr bankick?21:57
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b-man|laptop /kickban21:57
MohammadAG51/cs akick #maemo add crashanddie21:57
DocScrutinizerduh, the history scriptkiddie wasn't banned?21:57
crashanddieMohammadAG51: I know that21:57
MohammadAG51see what it does21:57
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: he was for a couple of days21:58
fralssoo hmm21:58
MohammadAG51crashanddie, then demo it21:58
zvirubREQUEST FOR HELP - i have a strange behavior of my N900 after firmware upgrade (5'10.2010.19.1). have strange names rather than application names and icons. e.g., time on the desktop looks like: wdgt_va_24h_time. any idea how to solve it??21:58
MohammadAG51(again on yourself)21:58
crashanddie-ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to perform this operation.21:58
ShadowJKzvirub, lucky, I had no icons :)21:58
MohammadAG51tsk tsk tsk, then just ban yourself, give me +o before doing that and I'll do the a part21:58
ShadowJKzvirub, and also had no fonts :)21:59
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: why the ban expired??21:59
fralsMohammadAG51; fmms needs YOU to test!
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: no, I removed it21:59
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: actually, I removed all the bans from the channel21:59
b-man|laptopbans don't expire21:59
MohammadAG51they do21:59
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: you're insane21:59
MohammadAG51b-man|laptop, join #freenode and ask for a kline21:59
b-man|laptopMohammadAG51: ah - i see21:59
b-man|laptopforgot about kline22:00
MohammadAG51or join our server22:00
MohammadAG51gzline ftw22:00
b-man|laptopgzline? lol22:00
crashanddiecompressed line22:00
zvirubthanks for answering. what is your proposal to address it?22:01
b-man|laptop<bad joke>what about bz2line - has better compression :D</bad joke>22:01
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: because some of them bans probably were there for a good reason22:01
ShadowJKgzline = global zline. z line = server ban by IP alone. (kline would check ident before banning, I believe..)22:01
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: most of them were lazy bans easily circumvented22:02
fralshaha, swedish newspaper fronting iphone 4 announcement, getting flamed like hell in comments22:02
frals<3 the internet22:02
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: uhuh22:02
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: that reasoning is above me22:02
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: hey, we need to keep the ops in business22:03
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: go troll silvermountain on tmo22:03
crashanddieMohammadAG51: you too22:03
* MohammadAG51 gets out his tools22:03
infobotsomebody said flashing was
ShadowJKzvirub: check out infobot's link22:04
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, would you consider remoderating tmo?22:05
crashanddieyeah, I'd consider it22:05
MohammadAG51so, you regret leaving?22:05
b-man|laptoptmo has become such a mess :(22:05
crashanddieno, I regret that the admin has no balls to enforce simple rules22:05
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crashanddieNo offence to Reggie, I know he must be pretty busy and shit, but there's no rules except for "live and let live", and quite frankly that time has passed22:06
MohammadAG51kill or be killed is more like it22:06
* Stskeeps is thinking is a negativity spiral atm22:07
xDaReaperxAnyways guys  , can someone instruct me on how to configure proxy on the browser22:07
b-man|laptopit's sad that when ever a productive thread gets started, 75% of the time it ends up getting hijacked :(22:07
crashanddieIt worked when the main public were nerds and people with low social skills, low aggro mainly. Now there's a bunch of hyped up, med'd up, cranked up bastards and nobody to shut them up22:07
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, mind explaining?22:07
StskeepsMohammadAG51: ie, most trails get derailed and then things end up with personal attacks, even though the original intention was good22:08
Stskeepsmost threads, i mean22:08
b-man|laptopStskeeps: i can't even bare to browse that place anymore22:08
b-man|laptoplet alone post22:08
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crashanddiehalf of the posters feel the need to justify their 500 quid money dump, so they insult everything that is microsoft or apple22:10
derfI'm proud to say that in the three-and-a-half years or whatever I've been part of this community, I've _never_ posted there.22:10
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derfOr even registered an account.22:10
crashanddieI feel like I'm browsing the mandriva forums 10 years ago and the threads were anti windows22:10
MohammadAG51or 4chan.org22:10
MohammadAG51but on steriods22:10
xDaReaperxany ideas on how to set up proxy on the browser  ? i tried to check about:config22:10
b-man|laptopthat PR2.1 thread was like browsing /b/22:10
xDaReaperxon the N90022:11
MohammadAG51although Texrat tries to twist flames into fun22:11
MohammadAG51which is a good way to moderate22:11
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crashanddiexDaReaperx: how about googling for fuck's sake?22:11
MohammadAG51some thread just have to be shut down22:11
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konfooso whats the alternative to tmo then?22:11
xDaReaperxwow how rude22:11
b-man|laptopunfortunately :(22:11
MohammadAG51i'm looking forward to meego22:11
MohammadAG51should unload a lot of trolls22:12
konfooi was gonna say - even the nokia/qt dev forums are weak22:12
nocturnalthe diablo/fremantle vmware image for the SDK is corrupt.22:12
crashanddiexDaReaperx: Main Menu -> Settings -> Internet connections -> Connections -> select your network, click Edit -> Next -> Next -> Next then click Advanced -> go to proxies tab. Configure. Win.22:12
crashanddie(from memory, might be wrong in some step, but you get the idea)22:12
MohammadAG51crashanddie, there's no such thing as a main menu22:13
MohammadAG51it's called hd-laucnher22:13
crashanddieMohammadAG51: stfu:
xDaReaperxok ty22:13
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konfooany fluendo people here?22:14
b-man|laptopcrashanddie, lol22:14
MohammadAG51mermaids became extinct?22:14
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crashanddiekonfoo: nope22:14
b-man|laptopMohammadAG51: yes, mwahahahaah!!22:15
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MohammadAG51~fsck crashanddie22:15
infobote2fsck /dev/crashanddie : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses!22:15
MohammadAG51btw she said that, not me22:15
* MohammadAG51 runs22:15
crashanddie~rape MohammadAG5122:16
* infobot takes MohammadAG51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams22:16
crashanddie~hrsmngsk MohammadAG5122:16
MohammadAG51being raped by a female, not sure if that's wrong22:16
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b-man|laptopMohammadAG51: enjoyed it? xDD22:17
b-man|laptop~burn himself22:18
* infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze22:18
MohammadAG51lol b-man|laptop22:18
crashanddieMohammadAG51: then again, would you like to lose your virginity during a rape?22:18
MohammadAG51I've never heard of females raping males22:18
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* Stskeeps curses22:19
fralsi heard it happens in africa, something with spreading hiv22:19
fralssurely in the rest of the world as well22:19
MohammadAG51but... how22:20
konfooafrica has some royally fucked up customs22:20
b-man|laptopanything can happen in africa lol22:20
crashanddieFlandry: am I in trouble about my behaviour in off-topic?22:20
MohammadAG51b-man|laptop, wasn't that russia?22:20
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b-man|laptopMohammadAG51: true xD22:21
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b-man|laptop"in russia, you don't control your computer, the computer controls you!" lol22:22
b-man|laptopg2g - i'll be back22:22
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* RST38h moos moodily22:28
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lardmanevening all22:28
AppiahI've started the Xephyr desktop and did /scratchbox/login in terminal , when i use to start a application nothing happens?22:28
AppiahAm I doing it wrong?22:29
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lardmanhey Stskeeps, how's things?22:29
RST38hmoo lardman22:29
lardmanhi RST38h22:29
* lardman curses his nVidia 7300gs22:31
Stskeepslardman: starting to ponder to quit tmo :P22:32
* luke-jr curses lardman's nVidia 7300gs as well22:32
lardmanshame, there are some interesting threads, but needs so much time to sift through22:32
lardmanthanks luke-jr ;)22:32
luke-jrStskeeps: can you do that?22:32
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Stskeepsluke-jr: i don't have 'reading tmo' on my contract ;p22:33
RST38hStskeeps: After a while, you will come crawling back, and that would be a minor face-loss22:33
RST38hStskeeps: So, no, not a good solution22:33
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RST38hStskeeps: But restricting your comments to a few subforums (like Development or Themes) and threads is a wise choice, I think22:34
xim_has anyone gotten evopedia working?22:34
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StskeepsRST38h: i'm thinking Alternatives and MeeGo / Harmattan.22:35
lardmanot, how do I work out which version of Ubuntu I have installed?22:35
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RST38hStskeeps: The rest of tmo can be used for hunting. It is epecially effective to ask whining newbies whether they have got their next perfect Android phone or offer them to work on the freely available source code by themselves, given how well the know what HAS TO BE DONE22:35
luke-jrStskeeps: is it possible BME thinks Gentoo is the "battery charging" screen, and that is why it triggers a shutdown when I pull the power?22:35
lbtX-Fade, sivang... just thinking... when an app is installed/updated from -testing can we somehow add a nag-screen (or a nag-app) to help get the test feedback?22:36
RST38hStskeeps: Alternatives is full of whining pricks22:36
RST38hStskeeps: Harmattan forum looks sane, for now22:36
lcuklbt requested this sort of process already22:36
lcukwell discussed it22:36
* lbt is slow lcuk22:36
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ShadowJKRST38h, you don't have to announce leaving tmo22:37
ShadowJKyou can just do it22:37
lbtlcuk:  :D22:37
RST38hShadowJK: So I did, mostly22:37
lcukhi lbt Stskeeps RST38h lardman btw22:37
jacekowskiAppiah: X is broken i armel target in scratchbox22:37
* frals spots a lcuk22:37
RST38hShadowJK: There is still interesting stuff going on here and there22:37
lcuk\o frals22:37
lardmanhi lcuk22:37
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Appiahjacekowski: umm how am I supposed to test my GUI written apps in SDK then?22:38
lbthi lardman RST38h Stskeeps lcuk frals ShadowJK  .... o/22:38
lcukhi #maemo \o22:38
fralshi everyone o/22:38
* lbt has more mates than lcuk !!!22:38
jacekowskiAppiah: x86 target22:38
lardmanhi all!22:38
jacekowskiAppiah: or on real device22:38
* lardman settles for less typing22:38
lcukafaik #maemo highlights all22:38
lbtnot me :(22:38
lcukit might not lol22:38
Appiahsbox-FREMANTLE_X86 , sounds like it is x86?22:38
* lbt completely failed at Qt animation this weekend22:39
lcukhi *22:39
benno2question: are there packages for Qt 4.6.2 on Maemo 4 (N800/N810) ?22:39
RST38hheya lcuk22:39
lbtalthough I read enough to imagine how cool it looks :)22:39
* lardman curses bloody Ubunto for crashing when his mouse moves onto one of his monitors. Damn them for making me want to upgrade22:39
lbtlardman.... don't do it!22:39
lcuktoo late22:39
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lardmanI know, whatamistakatomaka22:40
* lbt ducks22:40
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lardmanyeah, well22:40
RST38hUbuntu is a lesser evil22:40
lcukim not doing anything harsh to my ubuntu until i have a nicer way to reinstall scratchbox22:40
RST38hlardman: You can always go FreeBSD. FreeBSD never crashes =)22:40
lardmanis driving me mad though, I daren't do any work, one accidental swipe too far left and I will loose the lot22:40
lardmanbsd! pah!22:41
lcukdare i say: thats because its not got any apps :P22:41
RST38hlcuk: I upgraded to 10.4LTS and SB2 still works.22:41
* lcuk knows otherwise22:41
RST38hlcuk: Had to kick it in the balls with the secret ninja kick provided by hrw though22:41
RST38hlcuk: same apps as linu xmostly22:41
lcukyeah i kno22:41
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lcuklardman, thats not good22:41
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lardmanyeah, not much coding going on22:42
* lcuk did some playing during holiday22:42
lardmanand running KDE, which imo is craptastic compared to Gnome, I can't even work out how to disable a monitor22:42
lardmanso all is well in the world of lard ;)22:43
GAN900960 x 640 with a Cortex A922:43
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lcukdont you have to instantiate a Kkillmydesktopmonitoroneatatime class?22:43
GAN900Apple just blew Nokia out of the water.22:43
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lardmanlcuk: probably, nasty C++ code22:43
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lardmanGAN900: ipad-thingie?22:44
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GAN900lardman, nope, iPhone 4G22:44
lardmanoh right, specs released now? Been busy all day so not looked22:44
lcukis it using full resolution screen or similar to the android?22:44
lcuk(shared voxels)22:45
* Stskeeps is pondering if he's an enabler for evil ways.22:45
* GAN900 is half tempted just to buy it.22:45
lbtwhat evil are you facilitating now Stskeeps?22:46
Nomai'm just waiting for the apple fanboys to cheer up for the new resolution... when n900 came out with 800x480, they said that it doesn't matter because 640x360 is just enough... :D22:46
lardmanrandom aside, anyone know if nvidia-glx supports the gtx 470 card yet?22:46
lcukwell, arent most of the iphone apps still at the original resolution and this is just preparing for the ipad specific apps to be backward ported22:46
lcukie they use pixel doubling22:47
lardmanhmm, sounds like the Psion days22:47
vinipsmakerwhere can i find gdigicam doc?22:47
puphomestop being such a prancer and share a link GAN90022:47
lardmanvinipsmaker: wiki + source code22:47
Stskeepslbt: seemingily that licensing change requests queue is a /dev/null, or something22:48
GAN900puphome, frontpage of http://engadget.com22:48
* Stskeeps is honestly looking forward to a week of binge drinking in a couple of weeks.22:49
* GAN900 is bored with being abused as a customer by Nokia22:49
vinipsmakerlardman: i will take a look in source code, thnx22:49
lbtyou are cc'ing meego-dev and maemo-dev and pmo and the council and Quim and Dawn and Arjan and Mike aren't you?   and with the followups saying "it's been <N> weeks"22:49
lbtStskeeps: Cider on sunday night?22:50
lbtBut not Amsterdam!22:50
Stskeepslbt: well, that's the warmup22:50
* Stskeeps is going to a music festival in approx 20 days22:50
* lbt considers duty free22:50
lbtif I bring a bottle what should I bring?22:50
lardmanvinipsmaker: might be some docs in with the source on git iirc22:50
* lcuk could do with some r&r that doesnt involve playparks or noisey kids22:51
vinipsmakeris possible use dbus to control camera-ui application?22:51
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RST38hGAN900: Has Steve Jobs been tempting you tonight?22:51
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RST38hGAN900: With His huge megapixel count? With His miracle of multitasking? With his mighty folders?22:52
* RST38h uploading HydroCarbon theme to Extras-Devel. Please, give it a try.22:53
Stskeepslbt: hmm, i'm usually good with wine or cider in general22:53
lbtduty free - thing stronger22:54
lardmanlbt: spirits it is then22:54
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lbtPear brandy...22:54
lardmanpeach schnapps22:54
lbtanyone in Helsinki on Sunday is welcome to join us...22:54
Surfasunday.. hmm22:55
lardmanfernet - is X-Fade around, some random brown dutch spirit that tastes awful22:55
Surfawhat people are joining? :)22:55
lbta drunk brit and dane22:55
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Surfaperhaps, if someone reminds me22:55
lardmanwould love to but have work to do22:55
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lbtcrying into their drinks over non-free licensing ;)22:55
GAN900RST38h, Nokia clearly isn't interested in my business.22:56
lcukwhich components lbt22:56
GAN900RST38h, at least I know exactly where I stand with Apple.22:56
lbtlcuk: we won't catr22:56
lcuklbt, but which are you raising glasses too22:57
fralshelsinki sunday?22:57
GAN900Sadly the whole mobile industry has peaked with the N900 for me22:57
lbtlcuk: hmmm22:58
GAN900and now seems to be declining back into useless crap for 2010/201122:58
* lardman tries to restart Xord using Gnome rather than the accursed KDE22:58
lbtlcuk: Qt22:58
lardmanhmm, less vino22:58
lbtit always cheers me up22:58
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lcuklbt ? qt is lgpl?22:58
lbtfrals: you about?22:58
lbtlcuk: yes22:58
fralsi should be anyway, unless something major happens, like someone failing to book my flight or whatnot :D22:59
lcukfrals, and you should also be sober the next week :P23:00
fralswhats on sunday anyway?23:00
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lbtfrals: nothing23:01
lbtmove along23:01
lbtoh wait, no23:01
* frals is confused23:01
* frals goes back to making sure all cables are packed23:01
lbtheh   Stskeeps and I happen to be in Helsinki at the same time23:01
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ShadowJKGAN900, as a bonus, useless crap for 2011/2012 means I don't have to buy a new one that soon ;)23:01
lbtwe're just going to meet up for a drink23:01
Stskeepsfrals: when are you hel-side?23:02
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lbtjust randomly wondered if anyone else fancied joining?23:02
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fralsi should be there by thursday... wont be leaving anytime soon i recon23:02
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fralsso id be up for going out for a bit :)23:02
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lardmanurgh, didn't do anything23:03
Stskeepsyou're relocating? :P23:03
* lardman considers the 5 or so hours he's wasted on this and decides to go watch tv23:03
GAN900ShadowJK, mmm23:03
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lcukGAN900, hows your android doin?23:03
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lardman|tvGAN900: you've got an android?23:04
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GAN900ShadowJK, I just Nokia has an anwer for the iPhone 4G that doesn't make their first MeeGo phone look like the goddamn N97 technology-wise.23:04
GAN900lardman|tv, the one Google gave away at the LFCS23:04
GAN900lcuk, sitting in a drawer.23:04
lardman|tvah ok23:04
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ShadowJKGAN900, hahaha :)23:04
GAN900I should just eBay it23:04
* lardman|tv had a look at the Dell Streak at the weekend, is a big bugger23:05
GAN900Damn N900 keyboard23:05
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GAN900lardman|tv, 800x480 and android23:05
lardman|tvit has a kb, let us be thankful23:05
GAN900A resounding meh23:05
GAN900lardman|tv, I was faster and more accurate on the N80023:05
lardman|tvGAN900: I know, was just passing the shop - I still want a Psion 5 replacement really23:05
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GAN900Unfortunately Nokia really hates virtual input23:06
lardman|tvfine by me, I do too! ;)23:06
GAN900So they find ways to make it less usuable with every release.23:06
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GAN900PR1.2 was a particularly impressive performance there.23:06
fralsfor someone who never used the vkb, what happend with it in 1.2?23:06
lardman|tvbefore I throw my monitor through the window, for not crashing the rest of the PC, I'm adjourning to a glass of wine and the tv - I need a new PC to work with new Ubuntu I fear23:07
sx0n|homei have not find it yet23:07
lcukcya lardman|tv23:07
fralshave a nice evening lardman|tv o/23:07
ShadowJKfrals, Nokia used their secret project, their timemachine, went back in time to the stoneage, stole a couple of stoneage people, and had them design a new vkb from scratch23:07
lcukthey also returned with a new manufactoring technique for slate devices23:09
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lcukcrap, shop shut in -3 minutes23:09
fralsalright ShadowJK ;P23:09
fralsbtw, fMMS need testers!
fralsuh, is taking too long to respond o_O23:10
GAN900frals, they broke itl23:10
GAN900Terrible screen space usage23:11
GAN900Terrible key behaviors23:11
GAN900Basically, it peaked with Diablo.23:11
GAN900Been downhill ever since23:11
GAN900and for some reason they think they're making it better.23:11
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lcukhip hip hurray, the super readers saved the day23:14
lcuksorry, its been stuck in my head half the afternoon since jake had it on before23:15
* mhmh cries.. broke the usb connector at work a couple hours ago 23:15
lcukso i tohught i would infect maemo with it23:15
DuckbootVirtual KB is a nogo for me - That's why I bought a device with real HW-KB.23:17
MohammadAG51timeless, timeless_mbp ping23:18
alteregoAre there many alternative RSS readers for the N900?23:18
alteregoAny that are particularly good anyhow?23:18
MohammadAG51built in one XP23:18
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lcuki was pulled into the 810 by the real keyboard, but at the same time i also see how a VKB can be used - especially a portrait one23:19
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BCMMfrals: what tends to happen if one sends an MMS to a phone that doesn't do MMS?23:21
fralsit disappears in cyberspace23:22
fralsor something along those lines23:22
lcukBCMM, depending on your mobile phone contract, a real paper telegram will be hand delivered23:22
lcuktho thats rare nowadays23:22
BCMMah, no incomprehensible SMS or anything?23:22
alteregoBCMM: depends on the receiving phones operator, on phones I've had, they get sent via email to me if you set it up.23:22
fralsdepending on the other persons carrier, they might get an sms link, or what lcuk said23:22
BCMMlcuk: heh23:22
alteregoOr you got a text message with an embedded link that allowed you to view the MMS through a web browser.23:22
lcukreally expensive contracts hire dedicated painters who turn up at house with a full set of oil paints and a canvas23:23
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fralsthe good ones sends you a colorfax instead23:23
BCMMfrals: well, i don't know if fmms works for me or not - depends on whether my girlfriend's phone supports MMS23:23
alteregolcuk: Yeah, I hear that's free with the platinum Nokia contracts.23:23
BCMMcause i sent one, and nothing happened23:23
fralsBCMM: if you check /tmp/fmms.log you can see the MMSC Response code printed23:23
fralsif the sender closed after a while it sent it successfully from the apps point of view23:23
lcukalterego, platinum is a bit iffy23:24
lcukthey usually send round some school kid on minimum wage with felt tips23:24
alteregoI would have prefered it if they called them the "Footballers wives collection" :D23:24
Duckbootfrals: I want to test fMMS, but don't let me...23:25
GAN900lbt, gave up on Ovi?23:25
DuckbootWeee - there I got in23:25
fralsOvi aka "Python apps? no thanks!" :[23:26
lbtGAN900: not really... just wanted to get it to work first :)23:26
MohammadAG51frals don't tell me they don't allow python apps23:26
fralsMohammadAG51: they dont according to pymaemo list23:26
MohammadAG51wow, that's a big big fail23:27
DuckbootThe new OS for iPhone: - Sorry, but I had to.23:27
* MohammadAG51 has a good mind to do an rm -rf app23:27
MohammadAG51to see if they'd find that23:27
alteregoSo, how about a community app store then? :P23:27
alteregoI'd be up for spear heading that project.23:27
MohammadAG51we can do it in a week23:27
GAN900Stskeeps, prettify your links.23:28
MohammadAG51even the current ovi store is useless23:28
fralsMohammadAG51; its kinda funny since i think #1 and #3 in most downloads from extras are python apps23:28
* lcuk ponders23:29
fralsfunny in the sad kinda way23:29
MohammadAG51frals and python can be compiled23:29
* lcuk ponders some more23:29
MohammadAG51k, so alterego you work on the downloader app, someone here hosts the app, I'll work on coffee management23:29
fralsthe reason was because the software cant depend on stuff from extras (or such, see pymaemo list for more details)23:29
lcukif i come back, someone remind me about "time"23:30
* frals ponders what lcuk ponders23:30
MohammadAG51shove all depedencies into one deb23:30
alteregoMohammadAG51: what about the actual online store :P23:30
MohammadAG51alterego, what store23:30
* puphome ponders about lack of robotron 23:30
alteregoWhat downloader app?23:30
lcukpuphome, robotron?23:30
lcukthere is a maemo download app already23:30
MohammadAG51one that locks a directory it's downloading to23:30
lcukdanielwilms wrote it :)23:30
puphomealso this morrowind engine depends on a lot of silly libraries23:30
alteregoYeah, sene it.23:30
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MohammadAG51lcuk, i was thinking of a paid store23:31
MohammadAG51paid community store23:31
puphomelcuk: the video game robotron 2084 needs remaking23:31
MohammadAG51although i'm against closed source23:31
MohammadAG51but right now, it's what maemo needs23:31
lcukwhy not with more emphasis on donations and sharing :)23:31
lcukeven mozilla addons have a suggested donation23:31
alteregoMohammadAG51: I agree, so, you want a pay-for app, I'd be pretty happy to do that.23:32
alteregoPay-for download app ..23:32
* lcuk spits on closed source23:32
lcukoh how far i have come23:32
alteregoDoesn't have to be closed source.23:32
MohammadAG51alterego, basically, I was thinking of an app where you pay, it locks a directory (not the apt way of doing it), it encrypts the directory, downloads the deb to it, installs it clears the directory and clears the encryption23:33
* lcuk strongly dislikes closedness23:33
MohammadAG51i typed that on the N900, pretty quick eh?23:33
alteregoHeh, yeah.23:33
* lcuk gets out of the way of this discussion anyway - bbl23:34
lcukdont let me forget about "time"23:34
SpeedEvilIt's not very hard to extract an app from the fs23:34
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MohammadAG51time lcuksbll23:34
noctuleFor some reason I feel cheeky charging someone for my code23:34
noctuleBesides my employer, obviously23:34
timeless_mbpMohammadAG51: pong23:34
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SpeedEvilThere is another problem.23:34
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SpeedEvilI write some middleware that's handy for all app-developers.23:35
SpeedEvilWhere is my donations?23:35
alteregoIt could do it in memory.23:35
alteregoNo reason to actually use the filesystem.23:35
DuckbootAnd the server which this would run on, wouldn't need to be a beast - Mich even run all fine on a Xen-node?23:35
renatohi guys I got a error in maemo repository, I can not install libqt4-dev on armel.23:35
renatoAnybody has the same error?23:36
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SpeedEvil ?23:36
SpeedEviloh - not yet23:36
SpeedEvilunless somethings screwed23:36
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noctulerenato: have you got the nokia-binaries installed?23:38
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alteregoAnyone else having issue with
renatonoctule, I trying this now23:39
alteregoCan't seem to access any of it :/23:39
FauxFauxtalk. is fine. ¬_¬23:39
renatonoctule, yes to use Qt you need the nokia binaries :(23:40
noctulealterego: I'm on now, no issues23:40
alteregoIt's being dog-slow for me :(23:40
noctulerenato: I recognised the problem from a bad install here, I know the pain23:41
noctulealterego: speed is rubbish, but it is operating lol23:41
noctuleIt seems like the CSS messes up everytime I log in though23:41
alteregoWell, it's still not finished loading the page ..23:42
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alteregoNot showing any of it in fact.23:42
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noctuleOkay, that's way slower than what I'm getting23:42
alteregoMight restart my laptop ..23:42
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renatonoctule, thanks its work now23:42
alteregoTried restarting firefox ..23:42
noctulerenato: no worries mate23:42
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Duckbootfrals: Tested fMMS 1.1.8, and it looks good - Just waiting for to let me give the thumbs up.23:44
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mhmhI had forgotten how horible the n95 was to use.. had not started it since i got the 900 in January23:47
kpelhi guys. any idea why the latest official maemo 5 update demands a PC with nokia software update installed for some users and for some others it just happens over the air?23:47
fralsnot enough space/conflicting dependencies23:48
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kpelcould be, i guess. it would be nice to have a more informative message though.23:49
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kpelthanks frals23:49
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Corsachaving to ask location on a gps-enabled device is lame23:51
jacekowskinew iphone will have 960x64023:51
jacekowskimaybe you want weather for your holiday destination23:52
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noctuledamn, was hoping to escape iphone frenzy lol23:52
summelanybody has a link to that sexy open source hardware phone concept thingy?23:54
zashsummel: what?!23:54
summeli cant remember it but i got the link from here or from #meego23:54
SpeedEvilOpen source hardware is very expensive.23:55
SpeedEvilFrom the fundamental point that getting one PCB of 8 layers made is expensive23:55
summelSpeedEvil: the openmokos main flaw was that it was ugly23:55
SpeedEviland then going from there.23:55
kpelsummel: you mean openmoko?23:55
summelkpel: no23:55
SpeedEvilI disagree - strongly.23:55
kpelsummel: ?23:55
Corsacexcept that, WB is quite nice, just too bad there's no widget23:55
SpeedEvilOpenmokos main flaw was that the people at the top of the project had too much vision.23:56
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summeland it was ugly :P23:56
summelkpel: no ^^23:56
ShadowJKI thought it looked nice23:56
summelthere were images/renders of that phone23:56
SpeedEvilEvery 6 months or so - just as the software stack was looking sort-of-stable - the CEO would pop up at a conference, and say 'Something really cool is around the corner!!!!!!'23:56
kpelthere is no such as too much vision, only too few resources :)23:56
SpeedEvilAnd then 2 months later, with no involvement from the community - the whole software stack got refactored.23:57
xim_has anyone gotten evopedia working?23:57
SpeedEvilJunking any chance of community involvement in stuff.23:57
SpeedEvilThat, and the fact is that they could have had a saleable phone + hw in xmas 2007. Ok - the sw would have been basic - little more than a dialer, and SMS.23:57
fralsno MMS? Madness!23:58
summelit would be great if maemo5/meego would run on the new iphone... because the only thing it does good is looking great xD23:58
SpeedEvilBut dialer + SMS and working kernel + gtk - in xmas 2007 would have sold - comparatively - bucketloads.23:58
summelewww gtk23:58
SpeedEvilSummel: yes. And then they went from gtk->qt. Which never really worked. And took up months of everyones time.23:59
summela really qt-phone would be sooo great :/23:59
SpeedEvilSummel: sometimes getting the hardware actually shipping is more important than making it pretty.23:59
summeland no i didnt like the greenphone23:59
summelyeah... maemo5 looks kinda... old/ugly23:59

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