IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-06-06

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SpeedEvilmuch stuff won't be applicable, but itmay give you routes to check00:01
satmdone thing is only left now00:01
satmdwhere to access the nmea stream00:01
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SpeedEvilThere isn't one.00:03
DocScrutinizerthere's none on N90000:03
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satmdmakes it impossible without some coding00:05
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satmdwould have it made useful to wardriving :p00:08
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DocScrutinizeruh? you can do wardriving with N900 and a fixed wifi driver (more than just chan 6 :-P), no other harware or GPS export needed - for mere wardriving even the normal iwlist <if> scan  cmd should suffice, and no driver issues at all00:17
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lcukDocScrutinizer, cannot do packet injection tho can you?00:21
lcukneeds certain chipset00:21
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DocScrutinizerat least that's the street talk now00:23
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lcuksure DocScrutinizer00:23
DocScrutinizerprobably you'd just need a certain firmware00:23
DocScrutinizerthough I dunno if we could change the FW for WiFi chip at all on N90000:24
DocScrutinizernever looked into it in detail00:24
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DocScrutinizercya, my beer is crying from loneliness00:24
lcukwell DocScrutinizer isnt it effectively ruled out from most desktop chipsets for similar reason00:25
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lcukand theres been smart people trying to get it working for a long time00:25
lcukand most have resorted to buying dongles who want it00:25
satmdDocScrutinizer: I have a t500 here, too00:27
satmdbut gps reception of the included f3705g is poor00:27
SpeedEvilsatmd: Take the log produced by gps-logger-widget (or one of the many others)00:28
SpeedEvilsatmd: Correlate00:28
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satmdwell, I found some snippet based on python-location00:28
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satmdit should be possible to make that loop and fake gps lines00:29
DocScrutinizeror plug in a decent wifi-dongle :-P00:29
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Arkenoibtw what is current host mode status?00:30
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satmdsince 1.2 ssh seems so sluggish to me :(00:37
lcuksatmd, if you just installed it, give tracker time to update00:38
lcukits quite a while, some people report a couple of hours00:38
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lcuksatmd, media meta data scanner00:42
lcukand the thumbnailer process too afaik00:42
Shapeshifterbtw, does anyone know what these whitespots on the screen are caused by?00:42
lcukShapeshifter, ?00:43
ShapeshifterI'm not really bothered (unlike avarage tmo people) but I wonder what this is about.00:43
MohammadAG51err, huh?00:43
Shapeshifterlcuk: I have 4 bright spots on my screen.00:43
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SpeedEvilsatmd: run top00:43
SpeedEvilsatmd: also - powersave induces a ping time of up to 400ms00:43
satmd5% in hildon-*00:43
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SpeedEvilsatmd: with the obvious effects on interactivity00:44
satmdwell, lag about 30s+00:44
Shapeshifterlcuk: there's not patterns, really. They're all in the right half of the screen, forming a trapezoid00:44
SpeedEvilAnd with a rotuer that does not properly support powersave - enabling it can do that00:44
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lcuksatmd, that sounds odd00:46
lcuk30s lag shouldnt occur with anything, does it persist beyond a reboot?00:46
lcukand when did you update to 1.200:46
lcukand wheres the lag experienced00:46
SpeedEvilTurn off powersave totally00:46
SpeedEvilin wifi connections.00:46
SpeedEvilDoes this persist.00:46
lcukdont change anytihng00:46
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lcukuntil sure its net related?00:46
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Shapeshifter here's a picture. They're more obvious in real life than on this picture. Clearly noticable when the screen is white. But as I said, I'm not bothered, I just wonder why this has to be >.>00:47
Shapeshifter people on tmo complaining about it00:49
Shapeshifterin the usual fashion.00:49
GAN900Shapeshifter, using it in hot conditions?00:51
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lcuk_wchin_drwhoShapeshifter, if i had to say i'd say it was pressure spots00:51
lcuk_wchin_drwhofrom a baching00:51
ShapeshifterGAN900: no. cherrishing it. always by my side, almost never exposed to sunlight, in a pouch...00:51
lcuk_wchin_drwhohiya pb00:51
ShapeshifterI never bumped it against anything. but maybe...00:52
Shapeshifterwho knows.00:52
penguinbaithowdy lc00:52
lcuk_wchin_drwhosyre Shapeshifter00:52
GAN900Shapeshifter, could be thermal00:52
Arkenoiwhy do minor max frequency changes (say, 950->1100) affect subjective performance so much? it is just 15% and i feels like the phone becomes faster at least a third00:52
GAN900Combined with a manufacturing defect.00:52
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GAN900Arkenoi, placebo?00:52
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Arkenoibut i did not believe until i tried00:53
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Robot101Arkenoi: because the device doesn't usually run at the max speed all the time00:54
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Robot101only when it's busy00:54
nidOShapeshifter - I have a single similar spot on my screen00:54
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nidOonly noticeable atall when viewing a white screen though00:54
Robot101so it's now twice as fast when busy, rather than 50% faster00:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS?00:56
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cehtehhow fast do this overclocked devices draw the battery?00:57
Robot101about the same, because they spend more time at the lower clock speeds because they need to spend less at the higher...00:58
svanheulenMy N900 keeps rebooting when I use it as a modem in Windows... is that normal?00:58
cehtehwindows problem :P00:58
Robot101it apparently lowers the cpu lifespan though00:58
pupniksvanheulen: sounds like a bug to me00:58
pupniksvanheulen: what firmware version00:59
svanheulenwell yeah, it works fine in ubuntu, which is what i normally use00:59
svanheulenjust flashed 1.200:59
pupnikok then it isnt what i might have suggested00:59
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svanheulenI'm guessing it's a Nokia PC Suite issue01:00
svanheulenjust wonding if anyone else has that problem01:00
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cehtehgrr .. busybox swapon has no priority parameter, anyone knows if thats tweakable via /sys or /proc ?01:03
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Macerneed to figure out where the place to use fn keys in term is01:06
Maceranybody know where?01:06
pupnikcan not parse01:07
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opdf2anyone here still OTA only from initial release?01:10
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GAN900Robot101, "apparently". :P01:11
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Maceri cant find the info on how to add f1-f10 to xterm01:12
MohammadAG51find the keycodes first01:13
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MohammadAG51i.e | is bar, enter is kp_enter01:13
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MohammadAG51| is bar01:13
MacerMohammadAG51: i am trying to find info01:14
MohammadAG51Macer, wikipedia ftw (not maemo specific)01:14
Macerit would be nice to add like... Fn to the bar01:14
Macerand be able to hit 1-1001:14
Macerlike how ctrl stays locked01:14
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Maceru wanf fn to be on my xterm key bar :)01:15
Maceri want01:15
MohammadAG51you can, just get the name of the key01:15
MohammadAG51then just use gconftool (or gconf-editor for a UI)01:15
cehtehLoad average: 18.01 8.50 3.901:16
cehteh .. grr01:16
MacerMohammadAG51: ok01:16
* satmd is giving up01:16
satmdnot worth the struggle01:16
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Macerthere is no gconf-editor01:17
Macerblah. i will work on this later01:17
Maceri just want to use mc01:17
luke-jrcehteh: me too01:17
cehtehluke-jr: you played with custom kernels .. how about getting compcache in?01:18
ShadowJKexists for n8x0 already01:19
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cehtehwould be awesome for the n90001:20
pupniklets use fm transmitter to synchronise audio playback btwn tablets lcuk_wchin_drwho01:20
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lcuk_wchin_drwhopupnik, o_O01:22
MohammadAG51pupnik_, the TX and RX can't operate at the same time01:22
lcuk_wchin_drwhoonly one needs to tx01:22
cehtehactually they do .. the RX is used to tune the TX internally01:22
lcuk_wchin_drwhothe conductor01:23
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opdf2I don't wanna ssh as root, How do I create user?01:23
lcuk_wchin_drwhosame way as normal linux afaik01:23
opdf2useradd, okay01:24
cehtehopdf2: just login as 'user'01:24
cehtehthats the default user name01:24
cehtehyou may add your key (or setup a password)01:24
opdf2Do I need to establish pw?01:24
* cehteh prefers key only logins01:24
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: That is not a hardware limitation.01:27
SpeedEvilcehteh: the rx of the FMTX01:27
MohammadAG51even better01:27
SpeedEvilTo restate - if I've lost the thread - the rx of the fmtx requires the tx to be off - as I understand it.01:27
SpeedEvilThe fm reciever and the fm tx can work at the same time01:28
SpeedEvilopdf2: Or ssh user@foo01:28
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DocScrutinizer51(luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS?) you always ask questions that are like 'have you stopped beating your wife meanwhile?"01:30
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: I never suggested anything like that and consequently won't be able to make any sense out of or answer you question01:31
crashanddiealso, DocScrutinizer51 & luke-jr: wardriving doesn't involve GPS mapping. It's a subpart of wardriving, but really, wardriving is just the act of trying to find networks from your car01:33
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DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: which is exactly what I was saying in that context an hour ago01:34
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lcuk_drwho_wowa great episode of the new series :)01:35
lcuk_drwho_wowheya seb \o hear you offered me a ciggie01:36
MohammadAG51can we get lcuk back now?01:36
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lcuk:) sure01:36
* lcuk never microblogged in 15 characters before01:36
crashanddielcuk: yo, yeah, offered you a ciggie, then got scared 'cuz you weren't ehre01:37
crashanddielcuk: I haven't watched any dr who's with the new doctor, is he any good?01:37
lcukwas having a nice break in south of england :)01:37
lcukcrashanddie, i knew i was watching drwho tonight :)01:38
* MohammadAG51 wonders what dr who is01:38
MohammadAG51seen on TV, never watched it01:38
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lcuktheres a bug with rotated xv01:40
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lcukand it effects mplayer too01:40
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MohammadAG51lcuk, that killed the conversation :P01:50
lcuksorry distracted by other screen :p01:50
lcukits bugging me01:50
* lcuk will close vnc and just hack, gnite \o01:51
* MohammadAG51 suggests the /part command01:51
MohammadAG51gnite lcuk01:51
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Appiahclean install of the SDK01:55
AppiahI open browser and select the textbox01:55
pupnik_sdk is accessed via browser?01:56
AppiahI opened the browser in maemo01:56
MohammadAG51installed the nokia-binaries and nokia-apps?01:57
AppiahI shouldnt have?01:57
MohammadAG51did I say that?01:58
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AppiahJust askin01:58
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DocScrutinizer51segfault not caused by nokia bins02:16
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* timeless_mbp chuckles02:18
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timeless_mbpCouldn't download Fennec.02:18
timeless_mbpPackage not found.02:19
timeless_mbp[ Yes ] [ No ]02:19
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* timeless_mbp thanks HAM for the dialog02:19
timeless_mbpit's a truly Nokia dialog!02:19
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: for 100 ham credits, would you like to guess what happens when i click "yes"?02:22
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SpeedEvilYour n900 catches fire.02:23
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jacekowskii fucked up my bme02:24
jacekowskii've disconnected cable and it's still charging02:24
SpeedEvilstop bme02:24
SpeedEvilstart bme02:24
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jacekowskin900 failed02:27
doc|homethe n900 has an f/2.8 lens?02:28
doc|homejacekowski: also, it's a night shot, even low end slrs will have trouble with that02:29
SpeedEviljacekowski: you did select 'night' mode?02:29
timeless_mbpjacekowski: is this 1.2 w/ night mode?02:29
timeless_mbpbecause before then....02:29
DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: yipeee02:29
SpeedEvilnight mode is better than nothing - but it's really a very basic mod02:30
jacekowskii think it focused onto window02:30
SpeedEviljacekowski: lfocus02:30
timeless_mbpthere's a nokia development app to try to help w/ focus02:30
jacekowskimanual focus would be nice02:30
SpeedEviljacekowski: ^02:30
jacekowskiit is manual focus app isn't it?02:31
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DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: search in ham for 'focus'02:32
DocScrutinizer51it inda works02:32
DocScrutinizer51it'sapita to enable02:33
DocScrutinizer51but works when it finally does02:33
DocScrutinizer51quite nicely02:33
infobotwell, ham is oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager02:34
DocScrutinizer51~ham is also Hildon application Manager02:35
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer5102:35
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infoboti heard mohammadag is special02:35
CutMeOwnThroatbit often now, eh?02:36
infobotham is probably oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager02:36
DocScrutinizer51~undo ham02:36
b-man|laptopDocScrutinizer51: did you add that custom call to infobot? xD02:36
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DocScrutinizer51ooh fsck02:36
timeless_mbpinfobot: literal curse02:37
infobot"curse" is "<reply> see swearing"02:37
DocScrutinizer51sometimes I wish the screen was twice the area02:37
timeless_mbpinfobot:  literal insult02:37
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timeless_mbpinfobot: literal insult02:37
* timeless_mbp sighs02:37
timeless_mbpit's probably a module02:37
b-man|laptopDocScrutinizer51: type ~help02:37
DocScrutinizer51b-man|laptop: why?02:38
DocScrutinizer51I guess I know it by heart02:38
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b-man|laptopDocScrutinizer51: there might be a call to undo that02:38
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DocScrutinizer51tell me...02:38
DocScrutinizer51~forget ham02:39
infobotDocScrutinizer51: i forgot ham02:39
SpeedEvilIs it possible to do this in PM/02:39
DocScrutinizer51~unforget ham02:39
infobotDocScrutinizer51: Successfully recovered 'ham'.  Have fun now.02:39
timeless_mbpinfobot:  literal ham02:40
infobot"ham" is "oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager"02:40
b-man|laptop~math 2+202:41
infobotwell, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation,, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage02:41
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infobotHey b-man|laptop,  is02:42
infobotsomebody said 2+2 was 502:42
b-man|laptophmm, didn't work02:43
b-man|laptopedit: nvm :P02:44
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DocScrutinizer51~2 + 202:45
infobotsomebody said 2 + 2 was 5 for sufficiently large values of 202:45
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b-man|laptop~lart MohammadAG02:45
* infobot crushes MohammadAG with a full height scsi disk02:45
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :(02:45
MohammadAG~lart DocScrutinizer5102:45
* infobot stabs DocScrutinizer5102:45
DocScrutinizer51~111111111 * 11111111102:45
infobotLinux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100604, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1, stable 2.6: 2.6.34    , stable 2.6.33:  , stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
infobotCockroach. I win.02:47
MohammadAG~Ubuntu b-man|laptop02:47
* infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual02:47
MohammadAGit wasn't like that02:47
MohammadAG~Ubuntu b-man|laptop02:47
* infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual02:47
MohammadAGmeh, someone changed it02:47
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders how many ibot (threads) there are02:47
MohammadAGit was RTFM02:47
b-man|laptop~join #xceleo02:47
b-man|laptop<infobot> I am not allowed to join #xceleo.02:48
MohammadAGhow are the ~attack like commands defined?02:48
MohammadAG~attack DocScrutinizer5102:48
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer5102:48
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b-man|laptopall i know is that infobot is written in perl02:49
b-man|laptophaven't really examined the source02:49
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b-man|laptop~nickometer MohammadAG02:50
infobot'MohammadAG' is 8.000% lame, b-man|laptop02:50
DocScrutinizer51~lart MohammadAG for taking pics02:50
* infobot DoSes MohammadAG for taking pics02:50
b-man|laptop~nickometer b-man|laptop02:51
MohammadAG~flash DocScrutinizer5102:51
infobot'b-man|laptop' is 26.000% lame, b-man|laptop02:51
* infobot starts a firmware update on DocScrutinizer51, then pulls the plug halfway through02:51
b-man|laptop~nickometer DocScrutinizer5102:51
infobot'DocScrutinizer51' is 30.000% lame, b-man|laptop02:51
b-man|laptopDocScrutinizer51 is lamer than i am :D02:51
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DocScrutinizer51infobot: fsckya02:52
MohammadAG~fsck DocScrutinizer5102:52
infobote2fsck /dev/DocScrutinizer51 : warning! filesystem contains idiots!02:52
MohammadAGROFL, that wasn't intended02:52
* b-man|laptop dies laughing02:52
MohammadAGI didn't even know it was defined02:52
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MohammadAGexpected something a forced fsck while mounted02:53
MohammadAGlike a*02:53
infobotit has been said that ham is oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager  Ham is also lovely with pickle.02:53
b-man|laptop~lart himself02:54
* infobot forces himself to use Outlook Express02:54
MohammadAGI wanted to start a garage project02:54
MohammadAGto make all apps that work perfectly in portrait, support portrait02:54
MohammadAGstarting with modesst, and ending with the application manager02:54
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MohammadAGi.e adding a flag and building it02:55
* MohammadAG gulps02:55
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Arkenoimodest needs new UI02:55
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Arkenoithe current one just sucks big time02:56
crashanddieDocScrutinizer51: wtf?02:56
MohammadAGArkenoi, share the package when you're done
DocScrutinizer51infobot: botsnack02:56
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer5102:56
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, don't worry, DocScrutinizer51 doesn't abuse his op02:57
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* MohammadAG points at the tab button on b-man|laptop's laptop02:58
Arkenoihmm, mailing lists seem to be long dead02:58
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DocScrutinizer51fie hard02:59
DocScrutinizer51die even02:59
DocScrutinizer51~ignore MohammadAG03:06
* infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, MohammadAG!"03:06
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Macercant find any wallpapers of erica cerra03:08
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Macernormally i would use alicia keys but she got knocked up so she is off the list03:09
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Chikuany remote for philips living colors for maemo ?03:19
Chikuany remote for philips living colors on maemo ?03:19
haltdefwant to try again, didn't hear you the first two times03:21
IkarusChiku: not possible03:22
Ikarusthose living colours devices use iirc zigbee03:22
Ikarusor a custom protocol, sort of forgot :)03:22
Ikarusfriend of mine works at philips, he was busy interfacing other stuff to living colours03:23
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Chikuon google with qtirreco philips living colors03:23
Chikuthere is a link to maemo talk03:23
timeless_mbphave you considered using complete sentences?03:23
Chikubut link broke03:23
ChikuQtIrreco for N900 (87). to Applications by Meelis - 7 mins ago ....  Philips living color remote on n900? by: RDJEHV | Replies: 2 | Views: 170 | Forum: ...03:24
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ChikuIkarus, the devices supports radio frequence, and not ir03:27
Chiku3) The Gen2 uses IEEE802.15.4 (it says so in the manual) and is said to use encrypted Zigbee. Zigbee and encrypted Zigbee use IEEE802.15.4.03:31
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IkarusChiku: guess what03:36
Ikarusthe N900 supports Wifi and Bluetooth on those frequencies03:36
Ikarusit can't do zigbee03:37
Ikarusit lacks the hardware to generate the modulation for it03:37
ChikuI don't know what is zigbee. let's me read wikipedia03:37
ptlPopular name for the IEEE 802.15.4 standard for an extremely low power, and low bit rate wireless PAN technology, Zigbee is designed for wireless ...03:39
ptlZigBee, defined in the IEEE 802.15.4, is the technology used in the low data rate Wireless Personal Area Network (WPAN) for home control, building automation industrial automation. ZigBee covers up to 330 feet (about 100 meters) in the bandwidth of 20 to 250 kbps. ...03:40
Chikuso pc with wifi or n900 could remotel zigbee devices ?03:41
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ChikuI got the link
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b-man-gvmi'm chatting from GVM :)03:52
ptland what is GVM?03:52
ptlPalm emulator03:52
b-man-gvmupIRC is nice for a palm IRC client :)03:54
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DocScrutinizerdamn amoebas03:58
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ptlprotozoans are worse!03:58
DocScrutinizerworst are the humans accusing you for antisemitism (I'm German) because of you saying main actor of Monk the TV series is probably a jew03:59
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* MohammadAG googles antisemitism04:03
DocScrutinizerdamn, if even Germans are so indoctrinated they don't allow critics of Israel's foreign politics, because of holocaust. Even worse, just the mentioning of "this is probably  jewish humor" is considered antisemitic. Any decent jew would probably insist in there's a thing like jewish humor, and it either is good for you or you don't like it. But that's insane - really04:03
satmdthat's why I stopped to care about whatever "they" say in general04:05
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DocScrutinizerGermans are the most dangerous blockheads on this planet, seriously04:05
cehtehincluding you? :)04:05
DocScrutinizerI'm happy I never felt like being German04:06
cehtehhow does it feel?04:06
DocScrutinizerthough living here, I have nothing in common with those idiots04:07
* cehteh humms some Wagner Overture04:07
cehtehbtw will you be at froscon in august?04:07
DocScrutinizerthat amoeba thought he's politically correct (PC) and didn't realize he's perpetuating the same shit over and over again04:08
cehtehthe chinese govt is politically correct too ..04:09
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cehtehand the north korean one of course04:09
luke-jrI'm a mass killer.04:10
luke-jrfound a colony(?) of ants in my candy bin04:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, just let it go04:10
* MohammadAG calls animal cruelty and gives them luke-jr's coordinates04:11
b-man|laptop~lart animal cruelty control04:11
* infobot slams animal cruelty control against a large cement Tux04:11
luke-jrMohammadAG: ants exist for me to kill04:12
luke-jrat least, once they enter my home04:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: finding yourself accused to be antisemit, because you say Monk is probably a Jew... That'sa hard to let go04:12
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ignore it, it's just name-calling04:12
luke-jrnot even accurate name-calling at that04:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so what04:12
luke-jryou get upset every time someone calls you a retard?04:12
luke-jror idiot?04:12
MohammadAGit's just prolly some idiot04:12
DocScrutinizerok, vive l'Anarchia!!!!!!04:13
MohammadAGluke-jr, he kicked infobot because of it04:13
MohammadAG~fsck luke-jr04:13
infobote2fsck /dev/luke-jr : warning! filesystem contains dickheads!04:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, at least it didn't say that to you04:13
DocScrutinizersorry chanel, it drove me away04:14
MohammadAG~fsck MohammadAG04:14
infobote2fsck /dev/MohammadAG : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses!04:14
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Jackie Chan is probably asian!04:15
DocScrutinizerI seriously offered that guy to go out and fight it down04:15
MohammadAGaww infobot, you shouldn't have04:15
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, o_O04:15
vldcnstWhats the stock kernel/pr1.2 CPU utilization of hildon-desktop and xorg while idle (not standby)?04:15
DocScrutinizerthat *me* who thinks all political concepts are major BS04:16
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MohammadAGPolitical view: Screw them (R) My profile on facebook04:16
DocScrutinizeramoebas (tm) JR04:16
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MohammadAGJR, reminds me of that electronics shop :P04:17
DocScrutinizerman will never leave that solar system when fighting about such idiocies04:17
luke-jrPolitical Views:So Conservative I fall off the edge of the political spectrum04:18
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luke-jr fwiw04:18
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: we all knew that. Still I accept you :-P04:18
* MohammadAG drools
MohammadAGcan' anyone lend me some cash? I'm 1.5 $ short04:19
MohammadAG-', +k04:19
luke-jrMohammadAG: I'm $600 short-- for rent due on the 1st04:19
* b-man|laptop digs in his pocket04:19
* b-man|laptop pulls out some cash, gives it to MohammadAG04:20
MohammadAGyou missed the +k part04:20
vldcnstI ignored it!04:20
DocScrutinizerI'm just short of a perspective to get me my next breakfast04:20
* MohammadAG takes the money from b-man|laptop and ships the laptop to Illinois instead of Israel04:20
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DocScrutinizerbut life still has a meaning, as people appreciate my hostmode shit04:21
* MohammadAG demands a refund!!! Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GH04:21
vldcnstThe GUI is great. /pat04:21
MohammadAGexpected 3.2 or something04:21
MohammadAGI appreciate your shit too DocScrutinizer04:21
MohammadAGshit w/ the metaphorical meaning of course >.<04:21
MohammadAG~lart b-man|laptop04:22
* infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at b-man|laptop04:22
luke-jrhow can intestinal parasites be contagious?04:22
MohammadAG~lart b-man|laptop04:22
* infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags b-man|laptop into court suing for $200 million04:22
MohammadAGluke-jr, direct contact04:23
b-man|laptop~lart MohammadAG04:23
* infobot beats MohammadAG over the head with a microkernel04:23
luke-jrdirect contact to your intestines?04:23
MohammadAGluke-jr, well, according to, you can poke your baby while having s...04:23
b-man|laptopoh lord xD04:24
MohammadAGor get your baby pregnant (I seriously saw that)04:24
luke-jrMohammadAG: you pervert!04:24
luke-jryou don't accidentally see crap like that04:24
MohammadAGluke-jr, nothing new there04:24
* DocScrutinizer suggests a radical switch of topic04:25
DocScrutinizerbest neer in franconia04:25
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DocScrutinizerbeer even04:25
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, tbh I was just trying to make you forget about antis... w/e it's called04:27
MohammadAGseems like that didn't work xD04:27
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DocScrutinizermy storage is permanent04:28
MohammadAGmine is volatile04:28
DocScrutinizerand fatal stack errrors rage04:28
* MohammadAG should prolly start sticking to a schedule04:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you forgot to nuke IL today04:29
MohammadAGor I didn't hear the siren04:29
DocScrutinizerI tolwon't do itd ya I04:29
DocScrutinizerfsck tp04:29
* MohammadAG buys DocScrutinizer a new keyboard - you seriously need one04:30
DocScrutinizerI told ya i won't do it04:30
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DocScrutinizera laptop with switch-off/no touchpad04:30
MohammadAGHP it is then04:31
DocScrutinizertoo expensive04:31
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MohammadAGoh and I find it quite ironic that some laptops have a capacitive-like button for turning off the touchpad04:31
* MohammadAG needs a new laptop04:32
MohammadAGthis one doesn't even have a drive04:32
DocScrutinizersynaptics borked. that's the problem04:33
MohammadAGSynaptics are cool, sometimes04:33
DocScrutinizeror X borked04:33
DocScrutinizersynclient doesn't work no more04:33
DocScrutinizerthanks xorg04:34
MohammadAGchanges to the linux kernel are becoming annoying04:34
MohammadAG1. integration of nouveau04:34
MohammadAG2. dumping xorg.conf04:34
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MohammadAG51lies ^04:35
* DocScrutinizer burrps04:36
DocScrutinizernoobmokey, if you fart now, I'll kick you04:36
* MohammadAG51 sends that as a memo04:37
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b-man|laptophay FatalSaint :)04:37
FatalSaintsup b-man04:38
* DocScrutinizer is going to nag neighbours with chemical brothers @ 110dB04:38
* SpeedEvil puts on some Prodigy.04:39
* MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn04:39
SpeedEvilI learned a  couple of months back that prodigy is really, really bad music to do manual labour to.04:39
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "idiot Germans" and wanders off04:40
MohammadAG51honest question04:40
MohammadAG51germans = nazis?04:40
SpeedEvilRelatively few of them now.04:40
MohammadAG51I get confused by this crap04:40
DocScrutinizergermans == idiots04:40
MohammadAG51oh, so it's not a synonym04:40
SpeedEvilThe national socialist party of ~1940 is known as the Nazi party.04:41
DocScrutinizernot even a notion about what nazi means04:41
DocScrutinizerthey got*04:41
SpeedEvilDuring that period, being a member was pretty much required to get a good job/...04:41
SpeedEvil(outside of the actual war years)04:41
DocScrutinizernowadays you need to bash any mentioning of "jewish *" to become president04:42
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DocScrutinizerany reference to jews is considered antisemitism, and it's propagated by israel04:43
b-man|laptopi'd say obama is one of the worst presidents that we have in the united states - he even has a fake social security number and 12 aliases04:43
SpeedEvilThere is only one at a time.04:45
Ken-YoungThank god.04:45
DocScrutinizer"" waht ?? you don't like us to nuke civil vesels? You're antisemitic!!! ""04:45
SpeedEvilWhile they may all be referred to as 'president' - even when they leave the job - there is not more than one when referring to the present tense.04:45
Ken-YoungAnyone looks good after W.04:46
* DocScrutinizer feels severe nausea, and has to check the Mk-57 in his cellar arms chamber04:47
b-man|laptopc ya04:48
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* b-man|laptop needs to leave too - c you guys tomorrow :)04:50
luke-jrjust as long as you don't C++ me04:50
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MohammadAG51Night peeps04:51
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Termanagood morning05:03
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DocScrutinizerTermana: I seem to be unable to find out about the serial console testpads :-S05:42
DocScrutinizerTermana: sorry, will take a few days longer to get an definitive answer for you05:42
TermanaDocScrutinizer, no problem :), like I said anyway - no rush05:43
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luke-jrTermana: look up to date?05:49
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Termanaluke-jr, Sorry for slow responses, in between doing things :P - looks mostly like thats right.05:55
TermanaBut I don't know about battery charger05:55
TermanaBattery charging worked for me05:55
luke-jrTermana: well, that's one of the "big 3" closed things05:55
luke-jrworks != merged05:55
luke-jrany idea on the ???'d bits?05:56
luke-jrthat is, if N800 has tsl2563 and/or lp5521, and the unknown chipsets05:56
TermanaI don't own an n800 so I don't know exactly, but if you look in the code for the original kernel for n8x0 it should say (?)05:57
DocScrutinizeryou're talking inuktitut?05:59
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DocScrutinizerLP5521 is the indicator LED driver chip used in N8x0 afaik05:59
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DocScrutinizernothing to do with battery charging06:00
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: didn't say it did06:01
DocScrutinizerI didn't say you're talking english06:01
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Termanaluke-jr, I think the LCD panel should be a Sharp LS041Y3. I don't know why whoever did it, didn't add the name, since they obviously knew it was merged :P06:05
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TermanaIt should be a Philips LPH892306:06
Termanacopied the wrong thing to my clipboard06:06
TermanaUnless these two lines have nothing to do with anything:06:07
Termana+#define MIPID_VER_LPH8923              306:07
Termana+#define MIPID_VER_LS041Y3              406:07
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Termanano no no, it is the Sharp LS041Y3 :P LPH8923 should be for 77006:10
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luke-jrTermana: I did it, and the driver is generic06:13
luke-jrMIPID is some kind of LCD standard06:14
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Termanaluke-jr, right, the "Mobile Industry Processor Interface DBI-C/DCS specification" its in lcd_mipid.c, which says the only supported LCDs are the one in the 770 and the n8x0 one06:17
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dima202hey has anyone used the utorrent client to remotely control utorrent?06:19
dima202any good?06:19
dima202I used to use Deluge but I am thinking of switching06:21
Termanaluke-jr, also, I think "Internal UART/Serial" can just be listed as OMAP-UART Controller - thats all the kernel people are calling it it seems. Its probably just something that TI have done themselves I would say.06:23
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Termanaluke-jr, Also cbus' purpose can be listed as - "make life a pain in the arse"06:39
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luke-jrTermana: lol, it's a wiki-- edit :p07:24
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rm_youso I got my replacement n900 (again) :P08:50
rm_youcan get my dev environment set up now in 10.04 and actually get something done, woo08:50
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vldcnstwoo idd08:50
Livingroomanyone up?08:50
Livingroomgot some problems with me old n800 here08:51
Livingroomif i go to gronmayer and install all the sources (without duplicating) whenever i install something now it says it cant find all these dependancies, but if i install through the console, it flatly refuses to boot. what sources are safe?08:52
vldcnstonly the Force is safe!08:53
vldcnstugh.. the Force?08:54
Livingroomunfortunately "the force" isnt a repo.08:55
Livingroomsrsly though why is it doing this? does anyone know?08:55
vldcnstthe Force is everywhere!08:55
Livingroomi had to completely reflash it earlier so it's factory 2008 chinook or whatever08:55
Livingroomis there some sort of over-the-air distupgrade i'm supposed to do?08:56
luke-jrN800 hasn't been supported in over a year now08:56
Livingroomso what, nothing on the repo's will work?08:57
luke-jrI wouldn't be surprised.08:57
Livingroomthat's very lame08:57
luke-jrit's all very lame08:57
luke-jrgrab Gentoo ;)08:57
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asj_Livingroom: take what luke-jr also says with a grain of salt, he's a troll anyways08:57
Livingroomoh i c08:57
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rm_youLivingroom: basically, just trust Extras08:58
luke-jrI'm not a troll, but I *am* speculating :)08:58
rm_youthough there may be a bit of truth to that, not many people are maintaining their n800 repos still :(08:58
Livingroomdoes anyone know what sources are safe for the N800?08:58
vldcnstTrolls in WoW are imba.08:58
rm_youi know I don't... I just left ABL in a then-usable state and hope it stayed working08:58
rm_youLivingroom: basically, just trust Extras08:58
Livingroomwhat is ABL/08:59
rm_youdon't use anything else and you'll be fine... if you need specific things, enable one repo at a time08:59
rm_youAdvanced Backlight08:59
asj_Livingroom: n900 is a nice device, buy one ;)08:59
Livingroomn900 also is $375 used08:59
Livingroomand n800 works perfectly for what i need08:59
rm_youthey're pretty expensive08:59
luke-jrLivingroom: don't blindly buy a N900. decide what you might want it for and do research on whether it will actually fit your needs08:59
asj_that's pretty darn good price for what it is imho08:59
Livingroomtethers to my iphone through maemo-pan08:59
rm_youLivingroom: it is an unfortunate side-effect of a completely user-run distro08:59
Livingroom*sigh* ok09:00
luke-jrasj_: cheaper for Pandora IIRC ;)09:00
rm_youwhen the developers move on to a new platform (as they pretty much ALL did, to n900) their code starts to bit-rot :(09:00
luke-jrLivingroom: Gentoo works, if that will do what you want09:00
Livingroomwhat do you mean?09:00
Livingroomif i wanted to haul a laptop with me i'd just use ubuntu09:00
luke-jrrm_you: that's why good developers don't target specific platforms09:00
luke-jrLivingroom: Gentoo on N80009:00
Livingroomsomehow i doubt it will do what i want09:01
luke-jrdoes everything Gentoo usually does09:01
rm_youluke-jr: well, we didn't have much choice with Maemo ITOS200809:01
asj_rm_you: I think that's true about pretty much anything though, when a new platform comes out old support just gets dropped.  mobile devices like this just have a really short cycle09:01
luke-jrrm_you: granted09:01
vldcnstwait, wait. didn't he just say he has an iphone? ow noes.09:01
asj_(we can take cobol code as the example of really long life cycle systems09:02
luke-jrLivingroom: what exactly *do* you want?09:02
rm_youasj_: yes but in corporate environment, they have entire departments that stick around to maintain legacy code so customers don't bitch09:02
rm_youthere is no such thing in OSS09:02
luke-jrrm_you: really? I don't see that in any environment09:02
rm_youbecause we do things for fun, not to get paid :P09:02
rm_youI see it at the company i work for09:02
Livingroomi want what i had before i fucked it up: browser, pidgin, flipclock, duke3d, doom. i started screwing with it because i wanted a good wifi stumbler. i had one once before but it was lost in a previous crash, and when i tried to install a new one, it fucked everything all to hell.09:02
asj_rm_you: ubuntu lts is an example of long support (too bad ubuntu is a poor server)09:02
asj_rm_you: but support does end, look at win95/98/nt4/etc09:03
luke-jrLivingroom: 3D??09:03
Livingroomluke-jr: wat?09:03
rm_youLivingroom: the KEY is not to blindly enable all of gronmayer... i did that and fscked my device up as well. just install what you need09:03
luke-jrLivingroom: N800 has never done 3D09:03
Livingroomluke-jr: apt-get install duke3d09:03
rm_youduke3d is09:03
rm_younot really 3d09:03
rm_youduke-nukem-3d ran on like, windows 3.109:04
Livingroomno, it ran on DOS09:04
luke-jrGentoo has games-fps/duke3d09:04
Livingroomthere's no way i'll run gentoo on my n800. period.09:04
asj_it was really dos, it was the 32 protected env that was so popular no?09:04
rm_youLivingroom: with that app list you have, you should be ok09:04
Livingroomi f*cking hate desktop linux09:04
Livingroomasj_: it was DOS4GW lol09:04
rm_youLivingroom: most of that is in extras, and what isn't, i doubt has much in the way of dependencies, just download and install the .deb for it09:05
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luke-jrLivingroom: fine, install Gentoo, qemu, and Windows XP09:05
rm_you*do not* use gronmayer unless you have to09:05
* luke-jr runs09:05
rm_youjust do extras09:05
rm_youand add advanced-backlight to your app list :)\09:06
rm_youyou won't regret it! :P09:06
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Livingroomif linux had driver support, it would be awesome. but since there's zilch in the way of support, it sucks balls.09:06
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Livingroomlol is adv bl the one with the split icon?09:06
luke-jrLivingroom: you're crazy09:06
rm_youLivingroom: ubuntu since like 8.xx has good driver support <_<09:06
Livingroomno, i am not crazy09:06
LivingroomFUCK THAT09:06
luke-jrLinux supports more hardware than any other kernel to ever exist09:06
LivingroomFUCKING FUCK THAT09:06
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luke-jrby far09:06
asj_Livingroom: ssssh09:06
LivingroomUBUNTU has SHIT support i had to spend FIVE FUCKING HOURS installing a GODDAMN SOUND DRIVER for an OFF THE FUCKING SHELF DELL09:06
Livingroomand dont EVEN get me started on A2DP09:07
luke-jrUbuntu sucks. Get over it. Ubuntu != Linux09:07
rm_youa2dp can be a bitch09:07
luke-jrwtf is a2dp09:07
asj_Livingroom: bitch to dell dude09:07
Livingroombluetooth stereo sound09:07
rm_youluke-jr: a2dp is what got me into n800 dev09:07
Livingroombitch to dell MY ASS! it's frickin REALTEK09:07
Livingroombullshit realtek "HD"09:07
rm_youlol yeah09:08
luke-jrLivingroom: then complain to Realtek09:08
rm_youit works fine now in 9.10+09:08
Livingroomi would but they only speak thaiwanese09:08
asj_Livingroom: no, dell decides what hardware they use, they can choose realtek or not09:08
rm_youi had the same issue09:08
Livingroomasj_; i suspect it's harder than that. motherboard...09:08
rm_youthough it only took me like 20 minutes to fix before 9.1009:08
Livingroomwell, you probably do this often09:08
rm_youthen again, i'm good with linux <_<09:08
Livingroomi dont09:08
* luke-jr thinks it's ironic that Dell sells Ubuntu PCs with hardware not supported by Ubuntu.09:08
Livingroomlast fulltime linux i used was RH6.2 lol09:09
asj_Livingroom: you don't think dell can tell the MB what it wants or doesn't?09:09
rm_youbut yeah, 9.10+ is way better about that09:09
asj_MB manufacturer09:09
rm_youI'd say try Arch maybe though09:09
rm_youArch is looking like a really cool distro09:09
Livingroomubuntu afaik doesnt support any kind of realisticly usable bluetooth09:09
luke-jrgenerally, Gentoo just gives the expectation to tweak anything and everything before it works right09:09
luke-jrso tweaking is the norm, not the rare annoyance09:10
rm_youyeah i ran gentoo for a year and decided i wanted my life back09:10
rm_youas it took most of my freetime to make it keep working :P09:10
luke-jrI'm on like year 509:10
rm_youi sometimes went a week without X, lol09:10
luke-jrbeen running Gentoo almost as long as I've been married09:10
asj_year 5 of no life?09:10
rm_youthough i definitely learned a lot09:10
rm_youwouldn't trade that experience away09:10
asj_I wish gentoo would have just died when it's governance imploded09:10
rm_youi thought it DID?09:11
luke-jrasj_: it did09:11
rm_youi thought gentoo was dead now09:11
luke-jrbut I don't have time to learn something else now09:11
rm_youanyway, Arch uses a portage-like system09:11
rm_yousort of09:11
luke-jrGentoo works "good enough" most of the time09:11
asj_rm_you: oh good, it's only time that the ricers will go away then ;)09:11
rm_youi did really like portage/ebuild09:11
rm_youjust not for EVERYTHING09:11
luke-jrPortage/ebuild is a good start09:11
rm_youmuch prefer binary for 95% of my install needs09:11
luke-jrI think it's time someone innovates a bit09:11
luke-jrrm_you: that's what p2pcc is for09:12
rm_youyeah well, Arch is "binary based, with ebuild for good measure" or something like that09:12
Livingroomsomebody needs to do for linux what (fuck me for saying this) apple did for unix.09:12
luke-jr(conceptual distcc + binpkg sharing cloud)09:12
Livingroomi have NEVER had to compile a goddamn thing on OSX.09:12
luke-jrLivingroom: ruin it?09:12
rm_youyeah OSX makes me cry inside09:12
luke-jrApple is more evil than Microsoft09:12
Livingroomi'm not a fanboy, i dont own macs, only an iphone09:13
Livingroomso i feel that i can say this:09:13
dr34mmornin ladies09:13
luke-jronly fanboys own iPhones09:13
Livingroomapple makes unix work09:13
Livingroomfour words i fuckin HATE to say09:13
asj_the problem with gentoo (ubuntu has it as well), I want to go back to exactly the version I had yesterday.  Let's say there's updates and I install them, somehting breaks badly I want to be able to say "put version 10.4.45 back" and voila.  Of course I want a log of versions, like git reflog.09:13
luke-jrasj_: that's easy09:13
asj_luke-jr: no it's not09:14
luke-jremerge =crap-10.4.45 -1k09:14
rm_youyou can do it with apt too BTW09:14
rm_youlook at your install log09:14
rm_youand do apt-cache policy to see the versions09:14
asj_trust me, we had that problem and we tried.  The problem was it wasn't the version built yesterday it was built 3mo prior and we weren't sure what was and wasn't at different versions09:14
rm_youand go back to the last one09:14
Livingroomoh, you mean like how WINDOWS lets you rollback to an EARLIER STATE?09:15
asj_rm_you: downgrading debs isn' very easy09:15
luke-jrasj_: that's a problem unrelated to the one you mentioned09:15
Livingroomgg linux.09:15
rm_yousure it is09:15
luke-jrif you don't know what version you want, it's another matter entirely09:15
asj_Livingroom: windows just added that, don't be too happy09:15
luke-jrmainly reviewing emerge.log09:15
Livingroomasj: windows XP had that09:15
microlithoh is this a troll discussion?09:15
asj_Livingroom: and it needed it because it fucks itself all by itself09:15
rm_youapt-get install app=versionstring09:15
luke-jrLivingroom: so keep your entire filesystem in git09:16
rm_youthe example from the APT howto on
rm_youapt-get install nautilus=2.2.4-109:16
asj_rm_you: yeah, but not do that 50-60 times, it's sucky09:16
Livingroomasj_: and upgrading packages that break things isnt ubuntu fucking itself? all by itself? hmmm09:16
asj_err  now09:16
luke-jrLivingroom: or seriously, use btrfs or whatever the new FS with that capability is09:16
rm_youi havent had that issue since like, dapper drake09:16
luke-jrrm_you: my friend has09:16
luke-jrUbuntu keeps screwing up his network stuff09:16
Livingroomi really dont care, i already made it clear: i hate desktop linux. it's nowhere near viable. never has been and at this rate never will be. end of discussion. i'm not saying more; i'm simply sticking to my N800.09:16
asj_Livingroom: no, ubuntu isn't broken, anyways09:16
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luke-jrLivingroom: and I already made it clear: you're crazy09:17
luke-jrand I need to get to bed or I'll become crazy too09:17
asj_rm_you: this was old unsupported software, anyways, it would be nice to downgrade nicely is basically my point09:17
Livingroomok, hears another great exmaple of how wonderful ubuntu is: i have two monitors. guess what: NO TASKBAR for the 2nd monitor! thats right! i have to organize both monitor's windows on a single application bar! whee! nothing like wasting fucking time!09:17
microlithLivingroom: wait, how do you enable that in vista?09:18
luke-jrLivingroom: complaining about mere defaults is a waste of time09:18
microlithor am I just feeding a troll?09:18
rm_youasj_: not trying to defend ubuntu or anything at this point, just curious: is there an OS that DOES do this? for the record, pretty much 100% of the time I have used system restore in windows, it has either straight up failed, or broken things more09:18
luke-jrwhen I had two monitors, that setup was ideal for me09:18
rm_youmaybe OSX with Time Machine is closest?09:18
asj_rm_you: that's no excuse! ;) you have a point09:18
* luke-jr goes to bed for real09:19
rm_youI have only seen that fail badly a couple times, and a few times it works09:19
Livingroomtime machine can fuck some things up09:19
rm_youit's like saying you don't like Toyota cars, because they don't fly...09:19
rm_youfind a car that DOES fly before you start complaining :P09:19
asj_rm_you: I don't like Toyota cars because they DO fly into other cars ;)09:19
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asj_(and well because my ford gets better milage than the prius)09:20
Livingroomrm_you: - incidentally, i hate toyotas because they dont fly.09:20
microlithrofl, moller09:20
asj_Livingroom: do you really want to bring up Moller?09:20
Livingroomlol :D09:20
asj_because his doesn't either09:21
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TermanaOk, what did I miss09:21
rm_youwell, one thing you have to keep in mind with any linux distro, is that it is CONSTANTLY evolving, and usually VERY QUICKLY. a distro could have a completely different usability factor after just six months, so don't try it and then say two years down the road that it sucks without trying it again... it could be WAY better. also, in some cases, much worse :P09:21
asj_heya Termana09:21
Livingroomok, we can skip moller and go back to the 50s:
asj_Livingroom: and where is it now?09:22
asj_(in a museum in San Mateo, CA)09:22
Livingroomasj_: flying over seattle.09:22
Livingroomthats one of 309:22
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asj_it would have made car accidents a hell of a lot me fun09:22
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asj_cars with propellers spinning is a Doing It Wrong (rm)09:23
asj_err (tm)09:23
rm_youGAH i was in San Mateo last week and I didn't go see this!? :P09:23
asj_rm_you: Miller Aviation Museum09:23
asj_Livingroom: lol!09:24
Livingroomso yeah, where's your toyota now?09:24
asj_it's a car with a trailer09:24
asj_"Sec Honey, you strap the baby in and I'll bolt on the wings, won't be but a jiffy"09:25
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Livingroom"oh honey, be a dear and fly me to mothers house"09:26
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Livingroom"only if you have a parachute, bumpkin"09:26
asj_was this bold 32 in-lbs or 32 ft-lbs, ah I'll just eyeball it09:26
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pigeonhmm, weird, i can't find weatherbug from the ovi store on the n900.09:27
Livingroomif i didnt already have an awesome phone i'd probably buy an N90009:27
vldcnstI hope you're not referring to the I.. I thingy09:30
Livingroomi was indeed09:30
vldcnstoh snap, die!09:30
Livingroomnever have i seen tighter integration of internet, and cellphone09:30
Livingroomand the unlimited data helps.09:30
Livingroomnot to mention, oh my god, someone finally put a real goddamn browser in a phone, even if it's webkit based09:30
Livingroomthey were the first, in 200709:31
vldcnstWhat about umm, flash?09:31
Livingroomwhat about it?09:31
rm_youn900 runs chrome <_<09:31
rm_youand firefox09:32
vldcnstand opera!09:32
Livingroomhey! great! i can run a spyware laden browser on my mobile device!09:32
rm_youlol opera09:32
rm_youspyware? :P09:32
Livingroomchrome = goddamn spyware, imo09:32
vldcnstoh noes09:32
Livingroomgoogles all like "yo, this dude browsed such and such website"09:32
rm_youalright, i give up... you *must* be a troll09:32
Livingroomquite frankly, they dont deserve to know that.09:32
Livingroomi just dont trust them.09:32
rm_youChrome is Open Source09:32
vldcnstlet me guess, you have in your hosts.09:33
Livingroomi use google to search09:33
Livingroomand that's it09:33
rm_youLivingroom: go browse the SVN and see if that code actually exists09:33
vldcnsts/s/ file09:33
rm_youhint: it doesn't09:33
vldcnstrm_you: opera for pc's is great.09:34
rm_youi gave you help/advice on fixing your n800, no go be a conspiracy theorist / troll somewhere else09:34
Livingroomi took your advice too09:34
rm_youvldcnst: yeah, i use opera over firefox pretty much all the time09:34
Livingroomadding once source at a time09:34
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rm_youvldcnst: love speeddial / sync09:34
vldcnstrm_you: I only use opera. It's not that great for maemo, but still, it's there.09:34
rm_youOpera Mobile is kinda sad now tho09:34
rm_youon n800 originally i loved it09:34
vldcnstkinda, yes. but usable!09:34
rm_youbut n900 browser is better now IMO09:34
vldcnstYes, imo microb is the best option atm09:35
vldcnstfirefox/opera/chrome = slow09:35
vldcnstwell not slow, but slow to use.09:35
rm_youyeah... massive props to the browser team this time around :P09:35
rm_youn800 is was kinda sad but they pulled out all the stops to make it damn nice for n90009:36
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vldcnstif they made something like speed dial for it.. ugh!09:36
rm_youcan sync bookmarks kinda09:37
rm_youi mean, you CAN09:37
rm_youbut it isn't like speeddial09:37
rm_youi always wished i had more than a 3x3 grid tho09:38
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vldcnston opera?09:38
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vldcnstyou can..09:41
rm_youlike 4x5 speeddial09:41
vldcnstright click > configure?09:41
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* rm_you hugs vldcnst 09:42
* vldcnst runs away.09:42
rm_youi looked and looked and looked in all the options menus09:42
rm_youwho knew they hid it right in plain view like that09:42
rm_youwell, besides you, obviously :P09:42
vldcnsthelps files are there for a reason, you know09:43
dr34manybody tried gettin the fish module to work with irssi / xchat on the n900 ?09:46
opdf2anyone know where conboy keeps the notes?09:54
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vldcnstanyone tried a CP-306 stylus?
vldcnstI was thinking of getting one in blue10:01
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asj_vldcnst: they come with the fine....10:16
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cehtehlooks like a guitar plectrum10:19
Livingroom!seen sneakret10:19
dr34mfor what are those things? :)10:19
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vldcnstit's supposed to be a stylus10:20
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Livingroomwhat are the downsides of forcing a package to isntall without its dependanceis?10:22
vldcnstit won't work as intented?10:22
Livingroomwhat if it calls for dependancies which ahve yet to be ported, like "perlmagick" ?10:23
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TriztI say wait until you can get that package too10:24
Livingroomwhat if development on the package i want, which depends on the package that doesnt exsist, stopped two years ago?10:24
Triztthen start to patch it so it don't need that package10:25
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Livingroomhow can i patch it, if i cant download it, because apt says (and i quote) "depends: perlmagick but it is not installable"10:25
Triztdownload it to your desktop fix it in the SDK and then make it a new package, put it on a repo10:26
Livingroomthere we go. thats what i was looking for.10:26
Livingroomthank you10:26
Livingroomis maemo5 what the n900 runs?10:28
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Livingroomanyone know of a good stumbler for n8x?10:29
Livingroomi had one but accidentally lost it. sigh10:31
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Livingroomhow do i tell if i have diablo or chinook?10:40
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TermanaAbout product in the Control Panel?10:42
TermanaDoesn't Chinook show up as OS2007.. I think10:43
Livingroomjust says os200810:44
Termanaerr... nevermind. Chinook should be OS2008 as well. 2007 was Bora10:45
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TermanaLivingroom, what version number (beside OS2008) does it show10:45
Termanamine is 5.2008.43-7 and I am on Diablo10:45
TermanaYou should be on Diablo then10:46
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pigeonis there anything i should backup before installing the power kernel?11:01
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Triztpigeon; if something goes wrong, you will need to flash, but you don't have to flash the emmc11:04
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TriztI did it a few days after pr1.2 and it went painlessly for me11:05
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pigeonfor now the only thing i'm interested in is nat.11:07
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* Trizt nods11:13
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TriztI was more looking into change the values for CPU, go down on max frequency and that it would have a lower threshold to switch to a higher frequency than default, but that didn't seem to work that well11:14
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Livingroomanyone here use kismet on the n800?11:16
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lbthi Stskeeps11:19
lbthow goes it11:19
sivanghey lbt11:19
lbthi sivang... rested now ;)11:20
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Stskeepslbt, in the middle of nowhere11:20
lbtStskeeps: good place to be.... you get the best views!11:20
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MohammadAG51note to self, never snooze an alarm when the dialog pops up before it sounds11:21
MohammadAG51had to kill the daemon to stop it11:21
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Stskeepslbt: it's so bad i loose 2g connectivity regularly and the only place to get internet access is if i lean the laptop against the window on 2nd floor ;p11:21
TriztMohammadAG51; that sounds bad, you done a bugfix?11:21
lbtStskeeps: life is trying to communicate with you :D11:22
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Stskeepslbt: shame they're speaking in a language i don't understand ;p11:23
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Stskeepsgot a sunburnt face by now though11:23
lbt heh11:23
MohammadAG51Trizt, in practice, someone would snooze it after the alarm sounds :)11:23
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lbtgah... nothing is working... osc lost usernames...11:24
* lbt renews kerberos credentials.... d'oh11:24
TriztMohammadAG51; sure, but I usually wake up before the sound start, so for me it could become an issue11:24
MohammadAG51RST38h, ping11:25
MohammadAG51and alterego11:25
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JaffaMorning, all11:26
lbthi Jaffa11:26
MohammadAG51morning Jaffa11:26
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sivanglbt: you were exhusted? I took a long rest over the weekend11:28
lbtactually yes, I've had a couple of restful days too11:28
sivanglbt: I saw all the emails on my subjects but forced myself to not respond until I am less exhusted11:28
sivangSo hopefully, tonight I will go over all the stuff and respond and start working on the wiki page as Ville noted.11:29
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lbtyes.... I think we should be careful to split our focus though11:29
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lbtcore QA, community QA and QA tools+frameworks11:30
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sivanglbt: okay, so let's decide what's mostimportant at the moment and concetrate on that?11:32
sivangthe most proximate work to do, and less requiring deep development work11:33
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sivangfro example11:33
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lbtI'm more of a "lets see what main areas we have and understand the inter-relationships a little".... then when we start to work on, eg tools, we know the scope of their eventual deployment....11:34
RST38hMohammad: ?11:34
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MohammadAG51RST38h, what problems did you have with ICQ?11:35
MohammadAG51MSN Haze isn't signing in11:36
MohammadAG51the port keeps resetting to a negative value11:36
sivanglbt: sounds good, so for now we need to find our main areas. We'll do that.11:38
sivanglbt: we actually already did for some parts, as on the former QWAG wiki page.11:38
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lbtactually => #meego11:39
sivanglbt: I want to try to get approval from project BDFLs to engange community in enduser integrational testing by providing maybe devices with OS combinations on them, so before each release we'd get a non developer feedback to know of things we might overlook as developers.11:40
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sivanglbt: ubuntu laptop project was much a success following this approach.11:40
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Livingroomdoes anyone here use kismet on the n800? mine keeps trying to kill a vap and i have no idea what the hell to do11:58
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RST38hMohammadAG51: telepathy-haze will not establish connection with icq servers unless your libpidgin0 is an old version12:08
RST38hMohammadAG51: The latest version of telepathy-haze will not establish icq connection at all12:08
Livingroomgod damn this is pissing meo ff12:09
Livingroomwhy wont kismet work!?12:09
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ShapeshifterLivingroom: move to the bedroom.12:10
Livingroomi'm actually in the bedroom right now12:11
Livingroombut it keeps saying something about VAP12:11
Livingroomi add a source, wlan0 and it just freaks out12:11
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Livingroomkeeps saying failed to destroy vap operation not supported12:12
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psycho_oreosyou can make it not create VAP12:16
Livingroomi dont care what it does i just sick of this "madwifi source wlan0 failed to destroy vap wlan0::wlan0: failed to destroy vap: operation not supported12:16
Livingroomwhat the goddamn fuck is a VAP there is NO documentation12:16
Livingroomi'm entirely too tired to be messing with this12:16
MohammadAG51RST38h, msn doesn't sign in anymore12:17
GregoryRasputin  VAP12:17
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psycho_oreoswhere did you obtain that kismet from?12:17
psycho_oreoshumm, extras-devel?12:19
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Livingroomdont have that source installed12:20
psycho_oreosI got my copy of kismet from extras-devel, it came preconfigured12:21
Livingroomhow can i check?12:21
Livingroomwhere i got it from?12:22
psycho_oreosI suppose under App Manager > Application cataloguse12:22
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: I suppose under App Manager > Application catalogues12:22
RST38hMohammadAG51: Not using MSN, but I think you are not tied to Haze with MSN, There is Butterfly.12:22
MohammadAG51butterfly's python12:23
MohammadAG51it crashes at each connection switch12:23
Livingroombut how do i know i'm getting it from that source and not another?12:23
psycho_oreosyou can check it probably via dpkg-deb --info I suppose (under terminal)12:24
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RST38hMohammad: Then you only have one option left.12:24
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Livingroomfuck it i'm going to bed.12:27
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MohammadAG51RST38h, pecan? meh12:32
timeless_mbppsycho_oreos: use the en-US spelling and you won't make that mistake ;-)12:32
timeless_mbpfwiw, HAM will tell you where you're going to get things from12:32
timeless_mbpit's one of the fields12:32
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psycho_oreostimeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly anyone here has given me any form of proper support12:33
MohammadAG51RST38h, do you know which file I need, exactly?12:33
MohammadAG51I can try to build it12:33
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: timeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly thatone here has given me any form of proper support12:33
timeless_mbpwe aren't paid enough :)12:34
MohammadAG51or find it in my archives12:34
timeless_mbphow much are you paying us, anyway? ;-)12:34
psycho_oreosbot fails12:34
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djkrikkeIs it just me, or has the scrolling behavior of microB changed since PR 1.2?12:34
psycho_oreosI'm not getting paid for my works so I don't expect to pay anything either :) I'm pretty broke otoh12:34
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, umm, enable sdk repo, install dpkg-repack, disable the repo12:34
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, its in sdk? didn't know that.. I know its available for PR1.2 but I'm not PR1.2 yet12:35
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psycho_oreosI'm not on PR1.2 yet*12:35
MohammadAG51it's available for 1.2?12:35
MohammadAG51that doesn't matter afaik12:35
MohammadAG51just add the sdk repo (big flashy warning sign)12:35
psycho_oreoswell I know dpkg-dev is available for PR1.2 and few other things.. well at least in the fremantle repo12:35
psycho_oreosok I'll have a look for that thanks12:36
MohammadAG51does apt have logs gdi12:36
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, you sure you're not looking at the sdk repo?12:36
MohammadAG51it needs dpkg-dev, which isn't available12:37
MohammadAG51unless you add the sdk repo12:37
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psycho_oreosI've added extras-devel and that main pool12:38
psycho_oreoshaven't found this sdk repo just yet12:38
timeless_mbppsycho_oreos: did you try ?12:38
psycho_oreostimeless_mbp, did that but dpkg-repack doesn't work right.. it needs a proper version of tar.. not the one that's symlinked to busybox12:39
timeless_mbpwell um12:39
psycho_oreoswell afaik I got the dpkg-repack normally, but it needed all these deps which I build out of sb to get it work.. and now I'm stuck at the tar bit12:39
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psycho_oreosdpkg-repack is mainly a perl script, works across any platforms that has perl anyway :p12:40
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djkrikkeanyone noticed a change in scrolling behavior of microB since PR 1.2?12:42
timeless_mbpdjkrikke: did you try reading
djkrikkeit's not a bug actually12:43
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timeless_mbpwhat's the change?12:44
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djkrikkebefore 1.2, a scroll was simply a scroll, and when you stopped pushing the "down" key on the keyboard, it simply stopped12:44
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KhertanHello !12:45
djkrikkenow, it keeps scrolling often half a page more after you released the key, what is annoying because on a webpage you already passed the text you'd like to read12:45
KhertanI'm looking for a graphist for making a nice icon for KhtEditor licenced under cc ... ;)12:46
djkrikkeand theres this weird behavior that when the page isn't fully loaded (rendered) yet, it just keeps scrolling till the end of the page, and that's really awkward12:46
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timeless_mbpwhy don't you think that's a bug?12:47
djkrikkethe last one seems to be a bug yes, the first thing doesn't seem like it12:47
djkrikkebut I've already looked on bugs.maemo, don't seem to find a ticket12:48
timeless_mbpKhertan: where's the homepage?12:48
timeless_mbpor are you using ohloh as the homepage?12:48
Khertantimeless_mbp, for khteditor ? none yet ... :) the main page is :)12:49
Khertanohloh is just a tracker which found it in gitorious :)12:49
timeless_mbpoh about pickers?12:49
infobottimeless_mbp meant: oh about pictures?12:49
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Khertanhum... let me found one12:49
timeless_mbps/oh about pickers/how about pictures/12:49
infobottimeless_mbp meant: how about pictures?12:49
Khertanit s look like a bit the same than PyGTKEditor ... but faster and in qt12:50
Khertani m currently working on implementing a real time pylint checking12:51
Khertanin a plugin12:51
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Khertancurrently there is only syntax hilighting for python ... but i'm planning more in future12:53
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, ping12:53
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timeless_mbpKhertan: what dimensions?12:53
Khertantimeless_mbp, the maemo one :)12:54
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Khertanonce the project will be ready for maemo ... i ll work to made it working for all other supported Qt Plateforms12:58
Khertanas for the moment i use QtMaemo5 class and i cannot test it under meego as PyQt binding isn't available for meego yet ;)12:58
Khertannor pyside12:59
timeless_mbpKhertan: ?13:00
Khertantimeless_mbp, hum ... why not ... anyway ... let me try it on the black background of the n900 launcher13:01
timeless_mbpKhertan: as the commit user13:02
timeless_mbpbe nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :)13:02
timeless_mbp(no real name)13:02
timeless_mbpi can give you a pxm if you want it too13:02
Khertanbe nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :) <<< of course ...13:02
timeless_mbpcredit in this case is git blame13:03
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timeless_mbpohloh tracks my contributions to the world :)13:03
Khertanand my about screen will be long ... with many thanks13:03
SpeedEvilSilly question. Linux on n8?13:03
Khertantimeless, héhé ... i 'm not a git expert, as i'm just learning on how to use it13:03
Khertanand i found the ohloh interface horrible13:04
timeless_mbpgit commit —author13:04
timeless_mbpKhertan: the ohloh people are friendly13:04
Khertanbut it did a good work at tracking project and people13:04
timeless_mbpif you have a problem and a constructive suggestion, they'll work on it13:04
timeless_mbpso, what's your problem w/ it?13:04
Khertantimeless_mbp, it s more a matter a preferences of the web site interface13:05
timeless_mbpyou could probably offer an alternate theme :)13:05
Khertanbut i couldn't really help them ... look at my website :
Khertani can't do better :)13:05
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timeless_mbpcan you describe what you don't like?13:09
* timeless_mbp has done a bit of everything13:09
timeless_mbplinguistics/tranlsations, ui design, graphics, theming, web dev, sql, ...13:09
Khertantimeless_mbp, :)13:09
KhertanI find it a bit too gray, lack of separation between the different sections.13:10
timeless_mbpyou mean the three columns?13:11
Khertanthe three column and between the columns13:11
timeless_mbpthe header/footer seem fairly visually distinct13:11
Khertanyep the footer have a nice separations13:11
Khertanyep the footer have a nice separation13:11
Khertani found that it s fade globaly ... lack of an identity13:12
Khertanand opposite to ohloh ... i really like the new gitorious theme :
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timeless_mbphrm, they use faint ruled lines13:14
timeless_mbpand colors...13:14
timeless_mbpit does work13:14
timeless_mbpsadly, i don't like gitorious's colors13:15
timeless_mbp(or maemo's for that matter!)13:15
pupnikn900 gets hot in the sun13:17
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SpeedEvilpupnik: mine hit 57C13:17
pupniksurprised it still works13:17
SpeedEvilIn the baking scottish sun.13:17
pupnikSpeedEvil: got a temp commandline?13:18
Khertantimeless_mbp, it s just a matter of personnal preferences, i know :)13:18
Khertananyway, must go on ...13:18
SpeedEvilpupnik: Do you have the power kernel installed?13:18
SpeedEvilpupnik: if so, modprobe bq27x00_battery - and look around /sys/class/power/battery/temperature - or something like that13:18
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, pong13:19
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, still looking for that sdk repo, do you know if dpkg-rebuild would work?13:20
MohammadAG51not sure13:20
psycho_oreosand also if its for armel platform13:20
sivangtimeless_mbp: hehe re the colors13:20
psycho_oreoshmm damn :/13:20
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MohammadAG51tools/sdk < components13:20
pupnikNokia-N900-51-1:/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0# cat temp13:21
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SpeedEvilThat's the 'motherboard' temperature pretty much13:21
sivangMohammadAG51: He, now you've given me the link the responders on request, e.g. a point and cliky way to have Extras-Devel enabled :)13:22
povbot`Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device.13:22
pupnikty SpeedEvil for showing me to read n900 battery temperature with power kernel  with the commandline "cat sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp"13:22
sivangSpeedEvil knows a lot about the hardware hacking :)13:22
sivangand is a brit to add to his qualities :)13:23
SpeedEvilRemember to thank me by clicking the 'Transfer $1000 via paypal' button next to my nick.13:23
pupnikthat was for google so i can find it again if i need it13:23
sivangSpeedEvil: going to be in London coming September? I know I'm gonna enjoyr the royal docks area again :)13:23
SpeedEvilWell - it's vanishingly unlikley at the moment.13:24
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sivangSpeedEvil: you're not in Britian right now?13:24
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SpeedEvilsivang: I'm at my home in Scotland.13:24
MohammadAG51sivang, devel isn't somewhere I'm allowed to point users to13:25
MohammadAG51read the warning13:25
SpeedEvilsivang: It's maybe 500 miles away from london, and I have no working car, and no funds for transport anyway.13:25
MohammadAG51fu infobot13:25
infobotfrom memory, extras-devel is
SpeedEvilextras-devel is
pupnikis there a reason why we can't see CPU temp SpeedEvil ?13:26
SpeedEvilpupnik: no sensor13:26
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MohammadAG51there is a sensor near to the battery though13:29
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RST38hAnyone ever done glEnableClientState(GL_COLOR_ARRAY)???13:32
SpeedEvilyes, see above discussion13:32
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SpeedEvil-> MohammadAG5113:33
SpeedEvilsorry RST38h13:33
* SpeedEvil needs to use his colon more.13:33
RST38hSpeedEvil: ...and use the right end! =)13:34
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SpeedEvilRST38h: Indeed.13:34
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, no luck with sdk;  web address:  - distribution: fremantle - components: tools/sdk13:34
psycho_oreosbtw I actually meant dpkg-repack not dpkg-rebuild lol, oh well..13:35
psycho_oreosstill am in search of a proper tar not busybox's version13:35
SpeedEvilapt-get install gnu-tar13:35
psycho_oreosand that will tell you its installed, stuff provided would be /bin/tar linked to /bin/busybox13:36
MohammadAG51scroll down to repositories for maemo sdks13:36
MohammadAG51add the links there13:36
MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, read the description, you have to call it with gtar13:36
MohammadAG51a "g" prefix13:36
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, ahh! I'm blind13:36
MohammadAG51or /usr/bin/gnu/tar13:37
SpeedEvilIt's now in extras psycho_oreos13:37
psycho_oreoshmm bum, well I might as well symlink that across13:37
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MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, oh, didn't see that you talked about it13:39
MohammadAG51i use cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input13:39
MohammadAG51stock-ish kernel13:39
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: That is reported to be deprecated by TI13:41
sivangSpeedEvil: ah well, I'm going to use some of my important savings to go there , gonna need a flight for that.13:42
sivangSpeedEvil: but Scotland is better anwyays so... ;)13:42
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, which means?13:42
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: It may not work at all13:42
SpeedEvilIt says '-40' for me13:42
MohammadAG51sometimes it does that13:43
MohammadAG51which is above 40 i think13:43
MohammadAG51says 21 here13:43
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SpeedEvilIt's officially 'do not use, it's broken, do not rely on it'13:44
SpeedEvilI forgot to save the link saying this on the TI forums though13:44
MohammadAG51no worries13:45
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psycho_oreoswoot! thanks a bunch MohammadAG51 && SpeedEvil, dpkg-repack works! (though I don't know if I have contributed anything useful apart from building dpkg-dev from sb and grabbed a few other deps through the fremantle pool, if only there's a way to add the pool, it'll be nice)13:46
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MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, you have an sdk?13:47
MohammadAG51just cat /etc/apt/sources.list and add the sdk ones13:47
MohammadAG51don't do apt-get upgrades/dist-upgrades though13:47
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, I did add those sdk as you mentioned but I dunno which solved the issue of the dpkg-repack, whichever way, it sure would have saved me from trying to painfully compile gnu-tar from debian sources and to try to get that to work when I've already got gnu-tar package named as gtar (I failed that, yes I'll happily admit)13:48
psycho_oreosthough the pool stuff I meant were like in free nokia-binaries non-free .. I tried addding those but of course that failed due to missing packages.gz as such13:49
sivangMohammadAG51: right, yes, the warning is loud and clear :)13:49
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MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, you don't add repos like that :)13:50
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MohammadAG51cat /etc/apt/sources.list13:50
MohammadAG51add the lines to the respective sources.list file on your N90013:51
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, yeah that's the normal debian way :) I've done that previously but ran into other issues which made me instead put all of them into app manager as individual entries (and yes needless to say, painfully)13:52
psycho_oreosran into a few out of disk space and stuff13:52
MohammadAG51move /var/lib/apt to /opt and symlink it13:52
psycho_oreosI've now moved /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt to /home/user/MyDocs instead.. and symlinked them13:52
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MohammadAG51i wouldn't do that13:53
MohammadAG51MyDocs is VFAT13:53
psycho_oreosdidn't know where to trace the root of the problem so I used strace13:53
psycho_oreosyeah it doesn't preserve permissions, I was thinking of putting it into /home/user directory but that only has 2GB13:53
psycho_oreoswhat I do need is a nice 16GB SDHC card :) make that ext3 and its win-win for me13:54
* MohammadAG51 has that13:54
MohammadAG51but my lists are on opt13:55
MohammadAG51only the archives are on the mmc13:55
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psycho_oreosdon't make me jealous lol :) I was looking at the price for one the other day when I had to pay a few bills, really ticked me the price13:55
MohammadAG51(easier backup restoration with apt-get instead of ham)13:55
* MohammadAG51 wants a 32GB uSD13:55
MohammadAG51it's a wallet-breaker though13:55
psycho_oreoswas thinking of splitting it up but that would be a pain to maintain.. the other way to look at it is to resize /home/user/MyDocs.. but I've looked at sfdisk and am not daring to mess with it, too confusing13:56
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psycho_oreoslol 32GB? :D~13:56
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MohammadAG51sure, why not xD13:56
MohammadAG51£100 though13:57
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psycho_oreoswith that you could easily leave /home/user/MyDocs as vfat and store all music and stuff on the ext3 lol13:57
SpeedEvilI did that.13:58
SpeedEvilI simply tarred up mydocs13:58
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SpeedEvilonto /home13:58
psycho_oreosI only have 2GB MMC on mine for now (I got it for free so I can't complain)13:58
SpeedEvilthen pulled the back cover - to unmount mydocs13:58
SpeedEvilThen fdisked to resize mydocs to 4G13:58
SpeedEvilthen mkfs.vfat'd it13:58
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SpeedEvilmade a new ext2fs on a new partition13:59
SpeedEvilworks for me13:59
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SpeedEvil(note - this was some time ago, I may have forgotten crucial steps, if you manage to break anything, I reserve the right to point and laugh)13:59
psycho_oreosyeah not too daring to try sfdisk, its doable I acknowledge that but just had a look at sfdisk and it momentarily turned me off when I was focused on trying to get PR1.2 to work (of course before that, backups, including stuff I got from ovi store)13:59
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: also.14:00
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, pulling the back cover only unmounts the uSD14:00
MohammadAG51I only have my uSD as ext314:00
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: On temperature - I tried md5sum /dev/zero for 10 mins. No rise from 1714:00
SpeedEvils/back cover/plug into USB as mass storage/14:01
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MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, what's /dev/zero?14:02
psycho_oreosjust outputs 014:02
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MohammadAG51it doesn't load the CPU much14:03
psycho_oreoskind of good for writing 0's across disks, or for speed testing14:03
vldcnstAny idea where the temp sensor in on the battery?14:03
MohammadAG51afaik it's next to it14:03
MohammadAG51not part of the battery itself14:03
* MohammadAG51 pings SpeedEvil - he knows better14:04
vldcnstYeap, but where? :)14:04
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SpeedEvilvldcnst: It's not14:05
SpeedEvilvldcnst: it's on the motherboard14:05
vldcnstoh, snap. So it's not only a sensor.14:06
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RinsmasterHow can I see the usage of the MyDocs partition? It doesn't appear in df -h here14:09
fluxrinsmaster, it should. however, df [directoryname] will do df on the device the directory is on.14:10
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RinsmasterHm, that's weird, it's giving me this:14:11
Rinsmaster/dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G      1.8G     39.9M  98% /home14:11
jacekowskiyou ran out of space on home14:12
BCMMcan somebody kick marlboro^kancil? he's sending me links to get-rich-quick schemes in /msgs14:12
jacekowskimarlboro^kancil: i want to get rich quick as well14:12
Rinsmasterjacekowski, but isn't /home a different partition from /home/user/MyDocs (the 32GB one?), I did 'df -h /home/user/MyDocs/' and it gave me that ^14:12
jacekowskiRinsmaster: just do df -h14:12
jacekowskiwithout options14:12
RinsmasterYes, then it doesn't list the 30GB partition14:13
BCMManyone else had spam?14:13
jacekowskiRinsmaster: fdisk -l14:13
BCMMi got it by joining the channel, as far as i can tell14:13
fragmentRinsmaster: do you have the USB cable connected?14:13
jacekowskihmm no14:13
Rinsmasterfragment, oh, that's probably it14:13
BCMMyeah, same second exactly14:14
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BCMMyeah, happens any time i join the channel14:14
BCMMany ops feel like /parting and /joining then kicking him please?14:15
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Natanaielwhich package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls?14:16
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SpeedEvilBCMM: you're not meaning chanserv are you?14:17
BCMMSpeedEvil: no, marlboro^kancil14:17
rcgBCMM: had spam as well14:17
BCMMSpeedEvil: with "Clik here to get money --> [redacted] or [redacted]"14:18
* SpeedEvil wants money!14:18
SpeedEvilHow dare you redact those links!14:18
BCMM(there were URLs there, but i don't wanna help him spam dodgy site)14:18
BCMMi can't remember, who does the kicking around here?14:18
sx0n|homewhere all that money comes from..14:19
SpeedEvilsx0n: nigeria.14:19
sx0n|homethey must be rich14:19
SpeedEvilCornerstone of the modern internet economy is nigeria.14:19
rcgwell .. the positive thing is he is spamming in an encoding i can read .. rather then cryptic cyrillic characters ;P14:19
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Natanaielwhich package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls?14:20
MohammadAG51telepathy, asking once is enough14:21
Natanaielor which daemon listen to recive calls?14:21
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DeVNuLL_is something up with python-minimal on fremantle1.2 ?14:40
DeVNuLL_can't install anything that depends on python14:40
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SpeedEvilRandom. I have an image (of bits of a n900 as it happens). I want to click on this image, and draw lines round different areas on it. I then want to export those areas as lists of points forming irregular polygons in ascii form. In order to use it to create an imagemap. Thoughts on software?15:21
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SpeedEvilkimagemapeditor also15:23
alteregoI was actually contemplating porting that last night ..15:23
alteregoNo, KImageMapEditor :)15:23
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alteregoI was looking through the ubuntu software centre for ideas of apps.15:24
alteregoAnd for some reason, I thought about doing that one. But then scrapped the idea :P15:24
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JaffaAnyone know how to get a GtkTreeView to have a blue info column, like the label on the "Profile" button?15:54
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fralsJaffa: uh, got a screen or steps so i could see what you mean? :D16:05
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Jaffafrals: Click status bar; look at blue text under main label of "Profile" button. Is that a named style I can use in a GtkCellRendererText?16:17
jacekowskihmmm,  another interesting thing is16:18
fralsJaffa: the regular 'value' of the button (General/Silent in this case)?16:18
jacekowskithat BME is reading register 0x3b from chip 0x6b ( charger )16:18
jacekowskion startup, and there is nothing about that register in datasheet16:19
jacekowskibut content is same as 0x0316:19
Jaffafrals: Yeah16:19
jacekowskihmm, it looks like it's using only lower bytes16:20
Jaffafrals: Ideally something like I could put in 'style' of
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fralsrecon it should be a predef styled, im using cellrendertext and setting it markup= and using pango markup to do it though, give me a min16:22
Jaffafrals: Ah cool, that'd work too :-)16:23
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frals and
fralsnot sure exactly which attribute to fetch but can probably find out16:25
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fralsi suspect its 'ActiveTextColor'16:25
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fralsyeah, 'ActiveTextColor' is the blueish one16:25
frals(on nseries theme)16:26
Jaffafrals: next question then - how do I set a PannableArea to take up an optimal size, rather than just doing set_size_request(BIG NUM, BIG NUM)16:26
Jaffafrals: ta16:26
fralsJaffa: set_size_request(gtk.CHILDREN_MAX) or something, cant remember the constant, sec :)16:27
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fralsnot sure if its exactly what you are after thou :)16:28
Jaffafrals: thanks again16:30
fralsnp :)16:31
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crsHi there. My n900 does not start. It shoows nokia logo on white background at the beginning then goes dark for a little while and restarts to show nokia logo again. it does it in infinite loop and never gets to those progress bar dots. permanently broken?16:50
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iPeter-crs: Did you flash it?16:52
iPeter-crs: I mean, once i tried flash and flashing failed at start. It just did reboot and reboot + vibrated.16:53
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: you are dealing with jrbme?16:53
iPeter-crs: If you can, try change battery.16:53
SpeedEviljacekowski: I'm peripherally involved.16:53
jacekowskiso who's doing it?16:53
* SpeedEvil points at DocScrutinizer.16:54
crsiPeter-: I did flash it but was working for long time afterwards... so i doubt this is a cause16:54
iPeter-crs: Well try to change battery. This solved my problem..16:55
SpeedEvilcrs: Take out the battery, and unplug it for 30s. Replug into charger, plug battery in. Does it start properly?16:55
crsnope, still the same SpeedEvil. ;/16:57
SpeedEvilDo you own a multimeter?16:57
SpeedEvilI'd measure the battery voltage16:58
SpeedEvilIf it's >3.7V - then flash it.16:58
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SpeedEvilIf not - then it may be boot looping as it's not charged properly.16:58
SpeedEvilI've seen that, though not fully understood the cause.16:59
SpeedEvilAnother thing to try might be to try charging from a PC.16:59
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Jaffafrals: working perfectly, thanks:
fralsJaffa: great, np :)17:01
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timeless_mbp[timeless@ tmp2]$ tail -n1 |perl -pne 's/ /\n/g'|grep -n $(ls -l /proc/32139/fd/5|perl -pne 's/.*xref.//')17:03
timeless_mbpprogress the hard way :(17:03
timeless_mbpJaffa: how do i add an account?17:04
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Lazy^which "spotify-cient" works best on n900...? qtify, yaspot ?17:06
Jaffatimeless_mbp: All the accounts available will be shown, and the tick used to indicate if they're enabled or not.17:07
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Jaffatimeless_mbp: Since we're talking about ~6 services and it reduces the number of screens to be written17:07
timeless_mbpJaffa: ah17:08
timeless_mbpi can't import/sync from two gmails?17:08
timeless_mbpevil, who me?17:08
infobottimeless_mbp meant: evil, who, me?17:09
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Jaffatimeless_mbp: No; not at the moment.17:14
Jaffatimeless_mbp: ATM there's enough wholesale refactoring going on ;-)17:15
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crsiPeter-: battery should be about full i think17:29
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* noobmonkey blinks17:31
sivangis the maemo sdk installer hosed?17:33
sivangI made sure to run with with sudo,17:34
sivangand all sources were available17:34
sivangand this used to work at home.17:34
iPeter-crs: Hmm odd, then i cant help but i dont think its really broken17:34
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crsSpeedEvil: i tried to turn it on with cable pluged to the computer - no improvement. I have measured the voltage. It is 3.9V so battery is OK, right?17:37
crsHow wa it?17:38
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SpeedEvilOk - battery should be fine for booting17:39
SpeedEvilstart flasher17:39
SpeedEvilwait for it to say 'no device found - waiting'17:39
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infobotsomebody said flashing was
SpeedEvilplug USB cable into phone, then plug battery in17:40
crslet me install flasher first.17:40
crsand I ant see 1.2 for uk on
sivangbut wouldn't freeing up space on rootfs enable to do it OTA ?17:41
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crsreflashing seems to be working :)17:52
crsit works! :)17:52
crsOK.what had happen is... i droped it :(17:53
jacekowskisivang: you need more space for ota than it's possible17:54
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crshmm, backup app says that there is no memory ard inserted :(17:58
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crsand I have no mount points except for /, /tmp, /var and /dev ;/18:00
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crsyep, I cannot see that 32G memory space in settings/memory :(18:04
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noobmonkeyfrals, are you on? :)18:05
crsSpeedEvil: Thanks for hint with reflashing phone, it booted up but I cannot see internal memory now :(18:06
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crsand it doesnt go into mass storage mode :(18:09
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iPeter-crs: Reflash again? :D18:10
alterego"Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900" - Seriously, I knew the forums would get bad with the N900, it just keeps suprising me at how bad :(18:12
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kleetusI am currently running 3.2010.02.8, my n900 is telling me to update to 10.2010,19-1.002, so I try to do it OTA, but the app manager on the phone says you need to use the nokia software updater, so I fire up a window 7 machine and install the software and the software tells me that 3.2010.02.8 is the latest, why? Is this because I am using AT&T and they did not permit the update as per help files?18:16
timeless_mbpcrs: did you forget to remove the usb cable?18:16
timeless_mbpif it's plugged into your computer, your 30gb of mass storage are exported to it18:16
timeless_mbpinstead of available to your n90018:16
crsI know18:17
crsable is unpluged ;(18:17
microlithkleetus: If you're on AT&T, EDGE will be too slow to update over your data connection18:17
microlithtry doing it over WiFi18:17
kleetusmicrolith:  I did, but the screen about making a backup always says to use the software updater18:18
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microlithkleetus: open up the application manager and post the contents of the log up on pastebin18:19
microlithdid you happen to run any "optification" scripts or somesuch?18:19
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kleetusno, i have no heard of those scripts, so i doubt it18:19
timeless_mbpkleetus: so err18:20
timeless_mbpkleetus: what's the url you used to get the software updater, and what version is it?18:20
kleetusnot sure the url, but it was from the nokia site, but the version is 2.5.218:21
crstimeless_mbp: still cant see it, even after reboot and to having usb connected :(18:21
timeless_mbpcrs: i'd rather you boot w/o the usb cable connected...18:21
crstimeless_mbp: I did18:22
timeless_mbppastebin the output of 'mount' from X Terminal18:22
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crsI cant use browser on the phone :(18:25
crsit turns on and remains white after I type an address and press enter :(18:25
crsgetting errors about memory18:26
kleetusis softupd.log the correct log file?18:26
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: toggling enabled :)18:26
crslike Getting started app says it wont start due to low memory18:26
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timeless_mbpmanually list the volumes listed by 'df -h' from X Terminal18:29
timeless_mbpShapeshifter: i can't imagine that 'xx:xx:' is a common or useful way to write a time and a colon18:30
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Shapeshifterit's the title. hence the trailing :18:31
Shapeshifterit's not part of the time.18:31
Shapeshifterbut you're right it looks a bit odd.18:31
crstimeless_mbp: I have: rootfs, ubi0:rootfs, tmpfs mounted three times18:31
crscannot see that big 32G memory at all18:32
pupnikn810 just needs external hard drive to serve up audio18:32
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opdf2In the email Settings, Do I need to still enable "Update automatically", if Nokia Messaging is pushing email?18:32
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opdf2because it specifies a time interval18:32
crstimeless_mbp: and MyDocs is empty but files should be there18:33
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: try using a ',' instead18:34
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timeless_mbpcrs: try opening file manager18:35
timeless_mbpideally you should be able to trigger a disk check of sorts18:35
timeless_mbpalthough, i don't remember the rules18:35
crsneed to install that pakage which will allow me to do root operations first18:35
timeless_mbpfile manager has the ability to do a certain kind of disk repair on its own18:37
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nas_crs: rootsh  ?18:37
crsit says: sh: cannot fork18:38
crssomething is really wrong here :(18:39
crsclosed apps and it went ok18:39
timeless_mbpcrs: what third party software do you have?18:39
crsnothing now18:40
crsflashed it18:40
crsI have no /dev/mmc* devices :(18:41
MohammadAG51maybe you unmounted /?18:41
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timeless_mbp i don't think /dev/mmc* is the actual device label18:43
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crsMohammadAG51: mount says that rootfs is mounted on /18:43
timeless_mbpit should be /dev/mmcblk0p118:43
timeless_mbpcheck dmesg18:43
MohammadAG51assuming you haven't done that18:43
crsMohammadAG51: i have, few times :(18:44
kleetusmicrolith:  this is all that is in the application manager's log..."hildon-application-manager"18:44
crstimeless_mbp: * means everythin so I have nothing what starts with /dev/mmc...18:44
* MohammadAG51 would sync18:45
timeless_mbpcrs: so, what's in dmesg?18:45
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crstimeless_mbp: what should I be looking for? Would you please do: dmesg|grep mmc and paste it here18:46
timeless_mbpthere should be a line that talks about /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh18:47
timeless_mbpand there are lines about mmci and mmc1 and mmcblk018:48
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MohammadAG51o/ lcuk18:49
crstimeless_mbp: that script indeed tries to mount those filesystems, but I do not have those devices at all :(18:49
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crsI cant see /dev/mmcblk0p118:50
MohammadAG51have you dropped it or something?18:50
crsMohammadAG51: yep :(18:50
crsfrom less then one meter18:50
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MohammadAG51and this happened right after it?18:51
lcukheya MohammadAG5118:51
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crsafterwards phone didnt boot. i have reflashed it and it boots really nicely but i cant see internal memory (32G bin one).18:51
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MohammadAG51what does reflashing the eMMC do?18:52
crshavent tried it too18:52
crsI have my backup there, and there only :(18:52
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simoneb_seems like osso_notes does not save your note on exiting if you edit an already existing file, it does instead save it in a temporary file and then save it in the original location if you open it again. am i the only one who finds this quite odd?18:56
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MohammadAG51does anyone know what package the "Slide to Unlock" screen is in?18:59
crsAny ideas how can I recover mmcblk partitions without flashing eMMC?19:00
kleetushere is the solution to my issue...this is so this channel can index it...
MohammadAG51there's already a wiki entry with troubleshooting ideas19:01
MohammadAG51crs, i'm not even sure if it can be recovered using software19:01
MohammadAG51the solder points may be broken19:02
crsI am trying to reflash it again19:03
crsif it wont work i will reflash emmc19:04
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lcukcrs if you can SEE the low lvel data area, you can potentially copy that off with dd and attempt to mount/recover using tools on desktop linux19:05
lcukbut if linux cannot even see that area theres nothing that can be done19:05
crslcuk: I have no /dev/mmc* at all.19:06
lcukyeah last time i had something corrupt (was on my 810) i had the /dev items but it wouldnt mount upto /mount/19:06
lcukso i could dd the entire area off and did some offline fixing19:07
crslcuk: Yes, but it seems like n900 cannot see the device itself ;/19:07
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crslcuk: Any ideas before I try reflashing eMMC?19:08
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MohammadAG51crs, again it could be a hardware problem19:10
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MohammadAG51flashing the eMMC might fail to start19:11
lcukcrs so you dropped device and nothing is showing on the /dev partition, moh is right and it could be physical damage19:11
noobmonk3yfrals, Think i have fixed it!19:11
noobmonk3yhey MohammadAG51 (Lol! 1?!) - hi lcuk ! welcome back19:11
lcukbut i find sometimes just waiting :)  turn off device, take battery and cables out and go have a cup of tea19:11
MohammadAG51noobmonk3y, words can't describe how you popped into the middle of the convo19:11
lcukthen come back and retry before flashing19:11
* noobmonk3y has put healthcheck on a diet!19:12
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lcuknoobmonk3y, heya, saw your tweets that you are streamlining and organising healthcheck19:12
crslcuk: tried that few times :(19:12
MohammadAG51noobmonk3y, 51, as in -51, as in RX-51, you n00b!19:12
noobmonk3ylol fairynugg19:12
SpeedEvilOne other person has come up with a failed mmc19:12
noobmonk3yand yeah lcuk, it's getting there19:12
SpeedEvilwith the same symptoms19:12
lcukcrs then logic is pushing you towards trying reflash emmc19:13
lcukbubt be aware, that might not work either ..19:13
SpeedEvilThough it's actually going to be lots worse with 1.219:13
noobmonk3yall info functions are now in a separate py file, and its starting to look a lot better and easier to manage19:13
* MohammadAG51 remembers that as well19:13
SpeedEvilas 1.2 with a mmc will be largely broken.19:13
SpeedEvilwith no mmc19:13
crsSpeedEvil: i have 1.2 at the moment19:13
lcuksure SpeedEvil but that was the same for pr1.0 too19:13
lcukjust more components now19:13
MohammadAG51i can finally start learning python using proper clean examples19:13
* noobmonk3y has managed to bugger the gps location part though lol19:14
SpeedEvillcuk: With 1.0 it will 'sort-of' work for many things.19:14
noobmonk3yMohammadAG51, if GIT was easy to use i'd show yo uknow19:14
* lcuk managed to parse 3 things last night19:14
noobmonk3ybut after flashing, cant remember how to get it back on lol19:14
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SpeedEvillcuk: With 1.2 it won't really work at all. AIUI19:14
crsSpeedEvil: do you think I have other option then reflashinig eMMC?19:14
lcukyeah SpeedEvil agreed19:14
MohammadAG51noobmonk3y, man git19:14
SpeedEvilcrs: I would try sfdisk - and see what it shows19:14
MohammadAG51crs, Nokia Care Center19:14
lcuki am still interested in full boot from MMC for fremantle19:14
lcuki know its possible19:15
MohammadAG51I doubt they'll resolder it though, more likely a light swap19:15
lcukSpeedEvil, cant really theres no /dev to hang onto to check against19:15
MohammadAG51lcuk, i'm sure I saw a thread about it19:15
lcukMohammadAG51, yeah you did i think - the startings of one anyway19:15
crsSpeedEvil: I dont see that device in /dev ;/19:15
MohammadAG51lcuk, wouldn't tar'ing the whole rootfs and shoving it in some mmc card work?19:16
lcuknot quite19:16
crsok, lets see if I can reflash MMC19:16
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lcukbecause the destination would also be trying to use the /home/opt from the original19:17
lcukit would need tweaking19:17
lcukso a dd, then some sed magic on a couple of files19:17
MohammadAG51lcuk, then just remove the symlink and make it use a normal /opt19:17
lcukand bob would metaphorically be your uncle19:17
noobmonk3yman git lols19:17
MohammadAG51I hate how some apps use /home/opt though19:17
lcukMohammadAG51, yeah but its not a symlink19:17
lcukthats the bit of tweaking19:18
noobmonk3yMohammadAG51, ?19:18
noobmonk3yi use home//opt19:18
lcuknoobmonk3y, you use /opt19:18
noobmonk3ywas told to , so i did lol19:18
noobmonk3ydo i?19:18
MohammadAG51noobmonk3y, use /opt19:18
* noobmonk3y smiles and nobs politely19:18
* noobmonk3y loves typos19:18
lcukor rather your paths should be listed as /opt in the codebase19:18
lcukeven if by default they exist in /home/opt19:18
JaffaAnyone having problems pushing to
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lcukjaffa not using git on maemo so dont know19:20
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SpeedEvillcuk: It's not possible with the stock kernel as that does not support MMC without a module - you'd need an initfs19:22
SpeedEvilOr a kernel with a module19:22
SpeedEvilOr kexec19:22
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noobmonk3yw000p new healthcheck in extras devel - it's almost tidied up, still a bit to do, but getting there19:22
crsI cant reflash eMMC19:23
crswhat i do is:19:23
crssudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f19:23
MohammadAG51-> Hardware error19:23
crsand then once it finishes i do19:24
MohammadAG51that's.. not the eMMC19:24
crssudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R19:24
crsbut is says:19:24
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crsand very dark five dots shows up ant nothing happens19:26
crsI need to replug the battery to turn it on19:26
MohammadAG51-> Hardware error19:26
MohammadAG51you could try reflashing it again, but I doubt it'll work19:26
crsalready tried twice with the same result ;/19:27
MohammadAG51take it to a Nokia Care Center19:27
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noobmonk3yfrals, new H/C should now fix the gps prob, i can't replicate it, but i couldn't before :P19:28
crsdamn :(19:28
FIQ . as Nokia probably wouldn't make that, it wouldn't be that hard to make a custom keyboard that every app can use?19:29
crsOK guys, will take it tomorrow to place where I bought it. Thanks for trying!19:30
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MohammadAG51i wonder if it mounts /19:35
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MohammadAG51This file breaks all functionality of but it's broken anyway (IMHO).19:37
MohammadAG51I'll pass ^19:37
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lcukfiq - work in progress from many sides that needs coordinating.  hildon input method is a bit more involved than a custom english only keyboard in single apps19:43
lcukfrals and noobmonk3y and others are all doing it19:44
noobmonk3ydoing what?19:44
* noobmonk3y blinks19:45
noobmonk3yshite, late for dinner!19:45
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Shapeshifterwell who would have guessed. if you don't really used your n900, except for some minor coding, some ssh, and only on wlan, it will actually hold 32 hours on one battery...19:47
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lcukShapeshifter, seems reasonable enough19:48
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* GeneralAntilles hates that game developers haven't caught up with the fact that a large number of their users are playing on 1080 or better.19:53
lcukGeneralAntilles, really?19:54
GAN900Uncomfortably small fonts19:55
fralslcuk: ?19:55
lcuk? frals arent you a member of the gitorious portrait keyboard project :P19:56
fralsyeah just hadnt been bothered to scroll up19:56
fralsw00t_: ping19:56
lcukhola btw19:56
* frals just got the suitcase from the cellar, should start packing19:57
w00t_(if you've been trying to get me earlier, sorry, I've been having a "no-PC" miniholiday over the weekend)19:57
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fralsw00t_: first attempt ;-) want to have your name in the maintainer field of portrait-keyboard? ;)19:57
fralsw00t_: was thinking about doing talkthread/submit the 'working' stuff to -devel and try to get some people involved19:58
MohammadAG51or use multiple maintainers19:58
w00t_yeah, that's a good approach (re: pushing it up now)19:58
fralsw00t_: as im leaving the country this week by the looks of it and probably wont have much time the coming ~weeks19:58
MohammadAG51or just type in fr00t_ xD19:58
w00t_aww :(19:58
w00t_can do, but you'd better come back and rescue me!19:59
fralswill do :)19:59
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fralslcuk: whos elima? :D20:10
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lcukfrals :)20:16
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fralslets just say that the person you linked on twitter does not match that :p20:17
lcukfrals yeah i realised20:17
lcukshe can still come to the meeting tho :D20:18
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Mece~seen achipa20:18
infobotachipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 4h 32m 59s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'.20:18
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Sebas1how come my backlight is off?20:29
Sebas1when I reboot into maemo.20:30
MeceSebas1, perhaps you're in a bright room?20:30
Sebas1no I can see text. but there's not backlight..20:31
SpeedEvilit does that at very, very low battery20:31
SpeedEvilThough it will normally not boot in that case20:31
Sebas1weird. battery shows at 80T%20:32
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MohammadAG51broken ribbon?20:32
Sebas1what's a ribbon (sorry)20:32
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MohammadAG51hardware "cable" which connects the screen to the motherboard20:35
Sebas1even when I have charger connected. the light goes off.20:35
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lcukSebas1, does the light come on at all20:37
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alteregoIs there a media tag editor for maemo?20:37
Sebas1not when im booting meegos. only in normal mode20:37
alteregoThinking of developing one ..20:37
MohammadAG51booting meegos?20:38
lcukhuh Sebas1 ? meegos?20:38
MohammadAG51alterego, MussOrgsky20:38
alteregoMohammadAG51: ah, cool.20:38
MohammadAG51wow, echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness makes the N900 epic bright20:39
Sebas1meego* xD20:39
MohammadAG51what MeeGo20:40
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Sebas1n900 open arm 1.020:40
MohammadAG51anyways, the screen should be @ 255 when the power button is pressed20:40
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MohammadAG51Sebas1, when you press the power button, does it light up?20:42
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Sebas1hold on20:42
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Sebas1lcuk: might have something to do with bootmenu?20:45
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MeceMohammadAG51, ping21:00
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Mecehey you hack pyqt, right?21:01
alteregoI do pyside21:01
MohammadAG51wrong guy, but ask anyways :P21:01
Meceheh, ok. got reports of AttributeError: type object 'Qt' has no attribute 'WA_Maemo5StackedWindow'21:03
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arachnistMohammadAG51: didn't make n900 brighter here21:04
MohammadAG51~seen noobmonk3y21:04
infobotnoobmonk3y <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 8s ago, saying: 'shite, late for dinner!'.21:04
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MohammadAG51Mece, he ^ knows21:04
MohammadAG51w00t_, might know the answer as well21:04
MohammadAG51I, don't21:05
Meceok. looks like a dependency problem.21:05
MohammadAG51arachnist, 1. did you do it as root 2. why are you on max brightness21:05
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w00t_Mece: older PyQt didn't have Maemo5 specific stuff21:05
w00t_I don't know if the current packages do21:05
w00t_I haven't checked in some months21:05
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arachnistMohammadAG51: 1) yes, otherwise it would shout "permision denied", 2) dunno, it doesn't change the brightness automatically here21:08
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Mecew00t_, hmm. perhaps I need to add some version demands in the depends.21:15
Meceneed to ask attila77 I guess.21:15
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MohammadAG51Mece, is there an equivelant of textbuffer in Qt?21:27
w00t_what is textbuffer?21:27
fralswhats in a textfield in gtk21:29
w00t_QTextDocument and associated classes might be what you're after by the sounds of it, maybe21:29
MohammadAG51Gtk.textbuffer, it's a text box that shows output21:30
w00t_er, ok, weird name for it21:30
w00t_I'd have expected textview21:30
fralstextview is the ui object, pretty much21:30
w00t_QTextEdit / QPlainTextEdit are the two widgets that do simple views of text21:30
fralstextbuffer is whats holding the buffer of text... err, yeah21:30
fralsA gtk.TextBuffer is the core component of the PyGTK text editing system. A gtk.TextBuffer contains the text, pixbufs and child widget anchors that are displayed in one or more gtk.TextView widgets. A gtk.TextBuffer has an associated gtk.TextTagTable  that contains the gtk.TextTag objects that can be used to set attributes on the text in the textbuffer21:31
w00t_that description doesn't mean a lot to me, but I'd still guess QTextDocument and friends:
fralsyeah looks right21:32
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lcukfrals, hows your toewl21:34
fralstis going in the washer!21:34
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fralsw00t_: wanna do announcement thread on talk about portrait-keyboard project (if you havent already) or should i?21:35
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w00t_no strong feelings, i can write one if you don't want to, basically21:36
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fralsfree karma for you if you do! ;-)21:36
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w00t_ok, what are you uploading it as?21:36
* w00t_ opens talk21:36
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satmd-either simley21:37
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fralsw00t_: id give you the package name, but err gitorious isnt responding :D21:39
w00t_yeah.. saw that earlier21:39
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fralsPackage: portrait-keyboard21:40
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* w00t_ works out how to take a screenshot21:41
fralsctrl shift p ;)21:41
w00t_yes, but.. opening the keyboard closes the vkb21:41
SoLoMaNXXurm any one?21:41
w00t_SoLoMaNXX: yes?21:41
SpeedEvilw00t_: Install cpu-applet thingy21:41
SoLoMaNXXw00t_:  i need help with N900 please21:41
w00t_SpeedEvil: hrrm?21:42
SpeedEvilw00t_: Then open app-menu - click the camera thingy - and then you have 20s before it takes a screenshot21:42
w00t_SoLoMaNXX: just ask, and if someone can help, they probably will21:42
SpeedEvilI might not.21:42
w00t_SpeedEvil: hmm..21:42
SoLoMaNXXi want to open an .exe program21:42
* SpeedEvil only helps in return for cheese.21:42
SoLoMaNXXon N90021:42
SpeedEvilwhat do you mean by 'open an exe program' ?21:42
SoLoMaNXXa program with an .exe extenstion21:43
SpeedEvilThe n900 does not use the same processor (probably) as your PC21:43
lcukSoLoMaNXX, dosbox21:43
SpeedEvilIt cannot run normal PC programs, this requires an emulator.21:43
SoLoMaNXXlcuk: it will work?21:43
SpeedEvilThere are several emulators that run basic PCs. dosbox is one.21:43
SpeedEvilIs this a windows program?21:43
lcukSoLoMaNXX, it will run exess whether you have all the librarys required (like windows libs) is another matter and how fast it works is also something else entirely again21:44
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SoLoMaNXXhold on let me download it21:44
lcuksomeone booted windows 95 afaik (in about 3 hours)21:45
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FauxFauxIt's incredibly unlikely you'd want to run anything that will work in dosbox.  Ask a real question.21:46
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: which part of hardware has that 200mA limit?21:54
jacekowskiisn't that maximum average current21:55
jacekowskiIblimit is 1A21:55
jacekowskiIbo is .2A21:55
SpeedEvilThe boost mode21:56
SpeedEvilI'm unsure where the actual limit comes from - I would guess thermal dissipation in the high-side rectifier21:57
lcukSoLoMaNXX, main public channel only and i cant answer your question anyway i just know of dosbox, others may know more21:59
SoLoMaNXXwell if they know they would have replied lol22:00
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SpeedEvilWell - you're not really helping - what sort of program is this.22:00
SoLoMaNXXi dont want these chatx22:01
SpeedEvilno, that won't run22:01
SoLoMaNXXand irssi22:01
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SpeedEvilThere is also pidgin22:02
w00t_for future reference: is very useful22:02
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lcukw00t_, i just press the key vulcan grip thingy, ctrl shift p22:03
w00t_lcuk: doesn't work when you need a screenshot for a vkb22:03
SpeedEvilI use the cpu-applet thing22:03
alteregow00t_: yeah, what's up with the keyboard shortcut :P22:03
SpeedEvilworks fine22:03
lcukbut i suppose with keyboard rotation testing and having kb slid in22:03
alteregoIs there not a console command to do it?22:03
w00t_alterego: that's what that is for22:03
SpeedEvilI tried xwd without luck22:03
alteregoAh, right22:03
lcukalterego, w00t_ just shared exactly that22:03
alteregoI thought, maybe, without installing anything :P22:04
Sebas1do I need to use Global version (firmware) if live in the netherlands?22:06
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BugBlueI loaded the global version and it works fine here .nl22:08
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wazdhello people22:10
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frals[2010-06-06 22:05:59] portrait-keyboard 2.0.0-2-maemo2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository22:17
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen my discovery about what bme and bq2whatever is doing22:23
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DocScrutinizerI gues22:24
DocScrutinizers yes22:24
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jacekowskithe one about bme writing to 0x3b?22:24
jacekowskibme on startup writes to chip id 0x6b ( charger )22:25
jacekowskito register 0x3b22:25
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DocScrutinizer4d, 4f, 4e22:25
jacekowskithat's one thing22:25
DocScrutinizerthere's no register ox3b on bq2415022:25
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: exactly22:25
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: but it's reading it22:25
jacekowskiand what's more important it gets valid answer22:25
DocScrutinizermirror register, I guess22:25
jacekowskibecause it looks like bq24150 is only interested in lowest 3 bits of address22:26
DocScrutinizerquite insane22:26
jacekowskihigh 5 bits are ignored22:26
DocScrutinizerthat's the usual way of I2C22:26
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DocScrutinizerso basically the access is modulo 2^222:28
DocScrutinizererr 2^322:29
DocScrutinizerthough I'm not sure your picture about lowest THREE bits is correct22:29
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jacekowskimaybe it was 422:30
DocScrutinizerooh yes, it is22:30
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jacekowskii'm not sure now22:30
jacekowskibut it was either 3 or 422:30
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DocScrutinizerwe got 5 regs, so you need 3 bits to address22:30
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jacekowskibut reading 0x03 and 0x3b gives you same value22:30
jacekowskiand 0x04 with 0x3c22:30
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GAN900Jaffa, ah, crap. This again? :P22:31
MohammadAG51does anyone know where menu arrangements are stored?22:31
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DocScrutinizerso 0x3b modulo 722:31
DocScrutinizererrrks, 822:32
jacekowskisomething like that22:32
DocScrutinizerextremely insane design of BME :-S22:33
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DocScrutinizeryou JUST DON'T DO THAT in a clean source22:33
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DocScrutinizerI mean WTF?! you got a define for each register22:33
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DocScrutinizerand that define isn't exactly 0x3b22:34
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DocScrutinizerwe should open a ticket against bme unknown, for fucked up source22:34
jacekowskifunction that's used to read registers from it starts at 000160A822:35
SpeedEvilcould be a 'clever' person trying to obscure what it's doing.22:35
jacekowskiand is called only by 2 functions22:35
jacekowskiboth are exactly same22:35
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DocScrutinizerwhat a crap!22:35
jacekowski0001A33C - i never saw that one being called yet22:35
jacekowskibut i see xrefs to it22:35
jacekowskiand 00019188 that's acctualy called22:36
jacekowskiand that function calls real read function22:36
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that's gibberish, we can't read that22:36
GAN900SpeedEvil, Nokia certainly has an overabundance of clever folks. . . .22:37
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: open bme in disassembler22:37
DocScrutinizerplease include such conclusions to the disassembly document, so everybody can look up22:37
SpeedEvilGAN900: Yes, and a lot of wonderful ideas that clearly are a differentiator in the marketplace!22:38
jacekowskiwell, as far as i know accorting to t&c it's illegal to disassemble it22:38
SpeedEvilGAN900: Notice that nobody in the world has copied the media player.22:38
SpeedEvilIt must be _so_awesome!_22:38
jacekowskiwell, i'm using wmp22:38
DocScrutinizerdisassembling isn't illegal here in Europe, but publishing is22:38
SpeedEviljacekowski: You're in the EU I thought?22:38
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: yes22:38
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but according to t&c that i had to accept to get latest firmware it's illegal22:39
jacekowskibut i don't care22:39
DocScrutinizerit isn't22:39
DocScrutinizerNokia can revoke your right to use the software when you disassemble, based on the agreement. But they can not sue you22:40
DocScrutinizereven the former isn't entirely clear22:40
DocScrutinizeryou might *need* to disassemble to put the software to purpose on the desired usecase, in which case for servicing purposes Nokia can't forbid disassembling22:42
DocScrutinizerexcept if they deliver a 'fixed' version of the sw in due time :-P22:42
SpeedEvilI note that the firmware terms and conditions seem not actually to be valid.22:43
DocScrutinizeranyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement22:43
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povbot`Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.22:44
SpeedEvilAs in fundamentally flawed - not subtle legal arguments.22:44
SpeedEvilAs in 'nobody actually read them'.22:44
DocScrutinizeranyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement, still22:44
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jacekowskihmm i just infringed (c)22:45
DocScrutinizerNokia might urge you to take it down22:45
jacekowskiwell, i can't22:45
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DocScrutinizerso they need to proove economic damage, and sue you on that22:46
MohammadAG51they'll take you down22:46
DocScrutinizerwhich surely is hard for them :-P22:46
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n900-dkfrals: How to switch off the new portrait-keyboard? Do I have to uninstall it?22:47
ohwhymeis extras plugin for conversation working for pr1.2 ? Can't seem to get it working with msn or aim or yahoo22:47
MohammadAG51use the one in -testing22:47
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Meceey what's up with the python depends in extras that people are posting about on tmo?22:50
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ohwhymeMohammadAG51: I've tried 0.7 and 0.8 but it doesnt work22:51
MohammadAG510.7 worksforme22:51
MohammadAG51remove and readd the account22:52
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MohammadAG51also purge all related packages22:52
MohammadAG51ie libpurple022:52
ohwhymehow do i do that22:52
ohwhymei read some packages need to be put on hold?22:53
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: quoting like bug #10261 is much cooler :-P22:53
povbot`Bug Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.22:53
MohammadAG51apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols22:54
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ohwhymethanks :)22:55
MohammadAG51<MohammadAG51> apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols22:55
MohammadAG51disable devel, install your crap, re-enable devel22:55
ohwhymeits called pidgin right?22:56
RST38hand then what?22:56
MohammadAG51that's the "pretty name"22:56
MohammadAG51RST38h, sign into ICQ22:56
RST38hI can sign into ICQ22:57
RST38hBut only at the costhaze of downgrading pidgin libraries and the telepathy-22:57
MohammadAG51screw you, that's not what you said this morning :P22:57
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: where's my python enabled xchat? ;-D22:58
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RST38hthat's exactly what I have said22:59
Mecehello, could pyqt4.7.3 get some votes?
derfThe uk in lcuk stands for UK.23:00
DocScrutinizerooh, so the night starts at 21:00 for lcuk o.O23:00
Mecederf, no it stands for unbelievably kool.23:00
DocScrutinizerI'm just about to wake up, and I'm +1 of him :-P23:01
derfMece: That isn't what UK stands for?23:01
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Mecederf, haha. yeah!23:01
derfWell, that or "Unbelievably Kloudy".23:01
SpeedEvilI was thinking Unicorn Knobber.23:01
jacekowskiit was raining here23:02
derfAt the same time?23:02
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil is the one who should know :-P23:02
jacekowski20 minutes apart23:02
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DocScrutinizerfunny playground for sure23:04
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DocScrutinizerGB, Scotland, Ireland -> dream game23:05
JaffaGAN900: Not many contributions this week.23:05
SpeedEvilScotland is part of GB23:05
SpeedEvilUK is The united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland.23:05
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SpeedEvilThe united kingdom was created from the union of the crowns of scotland, england, and wales.23:06
JaffaGAN900: I'm going to watch some telly with the missus, then blast at a few of them. Hermes refactor is going well - it's joined up with Facebook again23:06
SpeedEvilGreat britain refers to this.23:06
GregoryRasputinYeah hopefully us in Northern Ireland get rid of the crappy UK23:06
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DocScrutinizerI thought Scottish feel alike23:07
SpeedEvilNot really.23:07
GregoryRasputinYeah the Scottich and Irish  want to get rid of crappy UK23:07
DocScrutinizernah, probably Scotland just the better part of GB23:08
SpeedEvilThere is a large proportion of people in scotland that understand that for economic reasons - significantly more devolution than currently might have extreme negative effects.23:08
GregoryRasputinWell England is Chav land23:08
toresbeEngland is "people-obsessing-about-chavs"-land.23:09
toresbePeople growing up tend to do what's expected of them. When a nation completely demonizes its youth in the way that the Daily Mail folks do, then no wonder this is happening23:09
SpeedEvilThe whole 'pedo' thing has gotten poisonous.23:10
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Livingroomwhat pedo thing23:10
* noobmonk3y waves!23:10
SpeedEvilIt's meant that well-meaning adults are generally very apprehensive with doing anything with children.23:10
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toresbeyeah, whatever's wrong with a little innocent fingering now and then?!23:11
Livingroomtoresbe, rot in hell23:11
* RST38h look"s up "chavs23:11
* toresbe giggles23:11
toresbeSpeedEvil: One Norwegian lawyer who himself was abused in his childhood made a rather good argument a while back that the people who do the greatest damage is society which attaches such gargantuan significance to it.23:12
Mecenoobmonk3y, is wa_maemo5stackablewindow dependent on pyqt 4.7.3-maemo5?23:12
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noobmonk3y4.6 seems to work ok23:13
RST38hSpeedEvil: yet another evidence of so called western civilization going to hell23:13
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toresbeThe physical damage is usually limited if there is any; the extent of the physical damage is defined by how bad society defines the crime to have been supposed to be23:13
SpeedEviltoresbe: The harm done one child is probably also outweighed lots by the lots damaged indirectly by adults not reacting properly to them23:13
noobmonk3ywell, i think so as i'm not using 4.723:13
Mecenoobmonk3y, there is no 4.6..23:13
Mecepyqt :)23:13
* noobmonk3y is thinking qt23:13
Mecenot qt23:13
* MohammadAG51 throws a banana at noobmonk3y, think!23:13
noobmonk3yand the answer is, i dont have the foggiest!23:13
* noobmonk3y eats the bannana, and feels like the monkey on futurama23:14
noobmonk3y(without the hat)23:14
* SpeedEvil saw something on deprecation of QT on planet.23:14
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MohammadAG51Qt's shit tbh :)23:14
RST38hCreating taboos that prevent normal social activities, such as kindergarten lady wiping her pupil's ass.23:14
MohammadAG51might switch the whole h-e-n app to GTK23:14
SpeedEvilah - that23:15
Meceok.. i forgets to set (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) and is thinking that some peeps have qt installed from extras and is not working.23:15
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RST38h(and I have not even started on the whole "tolerance" thing yet :))23:15
b-man|laptopMohammadAG51: one thing that drives me nutz about qt is that it's _all_ c++23:15
Mecespeedevil, shouldn't affect this though.23:15
* b-man|laptop prefers c23:16
MohammadAG51b-man|laptop, yeah, pyQt segfaults23:16
Mecemohammadag51, when?23:16
noobmonk3yMece, have to admit i struggle with understanding all the versions :|23:16
Mecenoobmonk3y, vote!
Vanadisi'll get my N900 back tomorrow23:17
b-man|laptophey Vanadis23:17
noobmonk3yooo will looky Mece23:17
Vanadis-> Nokia replaced the killed USB-Port for free23:17
noobmonk3yMece, voted and now on 10 :)23:18
noobmonk3ycool Vanadis23:18
* b-man|laptop wants a Pandora23:18
* Corsac wants a pony23:18
Mecevanadis, I got mine fixed in three hours. for free.23:18
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VanadisMece, took them one week, reactivated my n9523:19
Mecevanadis, I guess I was lucky :)23:20
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Mecequestion: when do libraries get updated? is it only if an app demands that version, or do they upgrade when installing an app that demands current but there is a newer version available?23:30
Mece...when using HAM23:30
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Macerheh.. Mece .. maybe after using an "over the air" update that requires wiping the flash and using a cable to do it haha23:36
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Macersorry. just taking a cheap shot at it bing called an ota update for 1.223:38
Maceri suppose in quantum physics the usb cable can be considered "air"23:39
Mecemacer, ota update works perfectly fine unless you've been using unfinished software :P23:39
Maceruhm :)23:39
Macerall i know is that 1.2 required me using a usb cable.. i suppose i could have used flasher but meh23:40
Maceri expected it to get updated in app manager23:40
Mecemacer, means you had some conflicting software.23:41
Mecei updated two n900's at work from ham. no problems. flashed my own though.23:41
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Meceanyway i was referring to libraries from extras, pyqt in this particular case.23:42
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satmd1.2 ota worked better than previously23:48
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Livingroomanyone have any success with kismet on the N800? i cant get mine to work right23:50
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luke-jrLivingroom: Maemo doesn't like it23:51
luke-jrworks fine with Gentoo23:51
Livingroomit'll run but cannot attach to wlan023:51
Livingroomthere's got to be a better answer other than maemo doesnt like it.23:52
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luke-jrLivingroom: I used to have a script to kill the various Maemo parts that screw it up23:56
Livingroomany other wifi tools for n800?23:57
vldcnstLivingroom: still at it..23:57
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Livingroomi refuse to believe there's no wifi tools for this23:59

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