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| luke-jr | I want a santambyte HD plz | 00:05 |
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| lmoura | HexaByte, I'm working on it. Somehow python2.5 was updated in extras but not python2.5-minimal | 00:12 |
| HexaByte | lmoura: so i should just wait for an available update? | 00:12 |
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| lmoura | HexaByte, you can enable the extras-testing repo | 00:13 |
| lmoura | HexaByte, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing | 00:13 |
| HexaByte | do i dare? :-) | 00:13 |
| lmoura | I wonder why extras promoted python2.5 but not python2.5-minimal | 00:14 |
| HexaByte | is distribution still "Distribution: fremantle" or 1.2 and instructions on that site are obsolete? | 00:14 |
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| lmoura | HexaByte, AFAIR it's still fremantle | 00:15 |
| HexaByte | k | 00:15 |
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| HexaByte | going to test it | 00:17 |
| HexaByte | not too eager to do it, 'cause i have no backup with OSX | 00:18 |
| HexaByte | no nokia suite here, correct? | 00:18 |
| lmoura | HexaByte, hum? | 00:19 |
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| HexaByte | lmoura: is there a Nokia PC Suite for Mac/OSX? | 00:19 |
| lmoura | oh, I have no idea | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | use the built in backup app | 00:20 |
| HexaByte | MohammadAG51: works with OSX? | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's on the N900 itself | 00:20 |
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| HexaByte | lol, ah i see. it creates a file locally which i can then transfer to my macbook | 00:22 |
| HexaByte | and later do it the other way around | 00:22 |
| mece | hello | 00:23 |
| mece | ~seen achipa | 00:23 |
| infobot | achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 8h 37m 26s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. | 00:23 |
| mece | ~seen Khertan | 00:23 |
| infobot | khertan is currently on #maemo (4h 58m 3s) #meego (4h 58m 3s), last said: '182d ... qwerty12 didn't come anymore on #maemo'. | 00:23 |
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| mece | Khertan, ping | 00:23 |
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| HexaByte | tnx all for info | 00:27 |
| HexaByte | by | 00:27 |
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| crashanddie | mece: it's 20 to midnight, he's probably sleeping | 00:38 |
| mece | ooh well. | 00:39 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, why aren't you? | 00:39 |
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| crashanddie | because I'm waiting for my gf to come back from work? | 00:40 |
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| thunderfest | ~botsnack | 00:49 |
| infobot | aw, gee, thunderfest | 00:49 |
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| mece | so anyone know why my QAbstractKineticScroller is super mega sensitive? | 00:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, = me btw | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i'm just the stupid part of his head | 00:56 |
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| jacekowski | i hate wifi | 00:59 |
| jacekowski | and there is something seriously wrong with my n900's wifi | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you tried dipping your n900 in marmalade, and then having a hungry bear lick it clean? | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | This can solve wifi problems for some users. | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | >.< | 01:00 |
| mece | I thought it was honey | 01:00 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: women in bikinis do a better job | 01:00 |
| mece | asj_, yeah, but they don't fix the wifi problem! | 01:01 |
| mece | I'm pretty sure it's honey + bear. | 01:01 |
| asj_ | mece: if you have a said women licking your phone, do you care???? | 01:01 |
| mece | asj_, well yeah, but that wasn't the issue :P | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | he'd buy another one and keep the old one | 01:01 |
| mece | err no.. | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | ugh, videos that N900 makes look horrible when viewed with anything except N900.. | 01:07 |
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| * GAN900 wonders why battery usage shoots up at the end of the day. | 01:09 | |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, as measured by what? | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it's not bme/watchdog rebooting device | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | when bme dies | 01:10 |
| opdf2 | is it safe to power off phone while updating an application? it froze while updating Extras Decoders update | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | check /etc/event.replace.d/bme jacekowski | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | i know | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | opdf2: decoders takes heaps of time | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | i noticed that | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | opdf2: seriously, it can take like 20 minutes if you have other stuff running | 01:11 |
| opdf2 | crashanddie: thanks i was getting worried | 01:11 |
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| jacekowski | but before that i spent a lot of time trying to find out how bme is talking to watchdog | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | opdf2: don't worry about it freezing up, I had the same. Just put it down on the table and come back in a while. Yes, things might break if you interrupt the install | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | it's talking dbus and voodoo to all sorts of stuff.. | 01:11 |
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| opdf2 | crashanddie: okay cool | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | not that bad | 01:12 |
| thunderfest | opdf2, yeah I powered mine off while install extras decoders when I power it back on no media files would work at all | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | and it's not voodoo | 01:12 |
| opdf2 | thunderfest: how did you fix that? | 01:12 |
| thunderfest | reflash | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | besides, i'll need somebody who isn't afraid of bricking his phone | 01:13 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, nothing consistent nor precise. | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, just that it feels noticeably warm towards the end of the day | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: that's because of the blonde you peep around 4PM | 01:14 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes for another couple of hours a day. | 01:14 | |
| GAN900 | and the battery meter goes from "half" to red bar within a few hours. | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | Me too. | 01:15 |
| Dantonic | speaking of battery usage... has anyone noticed this, if looking at the graph with battery eye, when you take the N900 off charge after it is full, and at idle, the battery charge drops at a faster rate when coming down from 100% to about 85-90% then settles at a more acceptable idle discharge rate. | 01:15 |
| * MohammadAG51 hands jacekowski a mirror | 01:15 | |
| MohammadAG51 | you found your guy | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | 1500mAh would've been about perfect. | 01:15 |
| opdf2 | thunderfest: how long did it take you to install Extra Decoders after reflash? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | assuming host mode works | 01:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dantonic: Depending on where batteryeye is getting its charge information, this may be inaccurate | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | is a 1080p practically possible? | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 1080p DVI adapter | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | The battery meter is somewhat non-linear.. and the older (more worn) your battery gets, the more ninlinear the meter will get | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: it's uncompressed | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: The charge meter chip I have found surprisingly accurate - once it's learned. | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | got it | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1024x768? | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yes but maemo doesn't use the charge meter chip | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | it's still uncompressed | 01:17 |
| Dantonic | SpeedEvil, I think it gets it from the "percentage" value, as if you would check it from the terminal | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | USB can do at most 480Mbit/s | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, it uses its own voodoo | 01:18 |
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| jacekowski | -overheads | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | now | 01:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 800x480? | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | 1024x768x32x25 | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | ... | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | possible | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 926 935 935 945 948 - on successive cycles. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I know | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | 1024x760 would require 600MBits of raw bandwidth | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | GAN900 was staring at the maemo battery meter, so that's why I said it's nonlinear. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 01:19 |
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| thunderfest | opdf2, I have not tried to reinstall Extra Decoders since I reflashed | 01:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - to get warm needs around a watt - IME. This will drain the bat in 4h | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | 800x480 would require 292Mbit/s of raw bandwidth | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | so usb could push it | 01:20 |
| crashanddie | theoretical USB could push it | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | but question is where it would push it | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - displaylink | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | it doesn't work that way | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | that too | 01:21 |
| * ZogG high5 MohammadAG51 | 01:21 | |
| crashanddie | but considering that USB is divided over a number of busses, and the host has the query each device in order to know if there's data, the overhead of USB quickly kills any hope to get to 480 Mbit | 01:21 |
| ZogG | hmmm sometimes xorg is eating cpu like crazy | 01:22 |
| ZogG | even gets to 60% | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | any device capable of recieving 300MBIt/s of data would be more than capable of decoding that video from compressed source | 01:22 |
| ZogG | is there bug submitted already? anyone has any idea, as the bug search on bugzilla is kinda wierd for me | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | that's not a bug | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | does it stay at that high usage for long period of time? | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | and 2 | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | do you have lot of windows open | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | and lot of widgets | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | xrestop would help | 01:23 |
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| anairda | can anyone help me with some questions related to nokia n900 udds usage with the latest firmware update? | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | USSD? | 01:28 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski not al ot of windows | 01:28 |
| astruasdh | please, guys. I installed easy-chroot and I'm running commands of my debian image with quserchroot. How can I umount this image that was mounted by quserchroot? | 01:29 |
| ZogG | and it is bug, as it jumps from 30-60 and everything works slow (even if i have one window) as well how does several programs can cause Xorg to load that much but not application itself as its's not rendered by xorg when it;s inimized? | 01:29 |
| ZogG | astruasdh run mount | 01:30 |
| ZogG | from root | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, apps can cause X load when invisible | 01:30 |
| ZogG | you will see all mount you have | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | strace any active apps | 01:30 |
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| ZogG | that you can use umount blahblah | 01:30 |
| astruasdh | ZogG ya... but is there a command to umount all mounted? | 01:30 |
| astruasdh | ZogG because the easy-chroot "mount -bind"'s many places | 01:31 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil still i didn't have much apps running | 01:31 |
| ZogG | astruasdh umount | 01:31 |
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| hjjg | hi everybody | 01:31 |
| ZogG | astruasdh umount /dev/blahblah or umount /home/anydir | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | umount only umounts mounts from /etc/fstab with -a | 01:31 |
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| astruasdh | ZogG ya, but I have to umount 7 dirs all the time? | 01:31 |
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| astruasdh | ZogG I saw qumount, but it is not working properly | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | astruasdh: why do you want to umount them? | 01:31 |
| astruasdh | jacekowski to power down my n900 safely | 01:32 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:32 |
| ZogG | astruasdh you can use grep to make the trcik | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | astruasdh: they auto-unmount | 01:32 |
| jacekowski | astruasdh: just power it down | 01:32 |
| jacekowski | astruasdh: it will umount it | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | umount -l / doesn't end nice | 01:32 |
| ZogG | not sure how but you can check the mount list for some search filters and run umount on them | 01:32 |
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| jacekowski | astruasdh: init umounts based on /proc/mounts | 01:32 |
| astruasdh | SpeedEvil hmmm even if when the n900 is shutted down when the battery ends? | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | astruasdh: yes | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | astruasdh: and syncs before that | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | astruasdh: that's done cleanly | 01:33 |
| astruasdh | ah | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | astruasdh: unless you've stopped BME | 01:33 |
| astruasdh | so I dont have to umount | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | the battery isn't empty when it's "empty" | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | astruasdh: There is lots of power really left when the battery is empty | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | around 5% | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | 5% isn't a lot | 01:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it lasted me an hour | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | with bme off | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | and 3G connected (yes, really) | 01:34 |
| astruasdh | so I have nothing to worry about | 01:34 |
| astruasdh | quserchroot is all I need | 01:34 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i think i'll have to think about patching that as well | 01:34 |
| astruasdh | thank you :) | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, why | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a safety measure | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Must have been idle | 01:35 |
| astruasdh | is it possible to use zoom under easy-debian's apps? | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | to get more juice out of battery | 01:35 |
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| opdf2 | eh fuck Extra Decoders has been updating for more than 30 minutes | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's like saying overclock users' N900s to make them run faster | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | and that's not optional | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | well, that's just killing battery | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | which in my case is almost dead anyways | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | uncleanly | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | the modem dies first | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | (sim crossed out icon) | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | i'm just thinking about moving that limit little bit lower | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | it's relatively little. About 10 mins active | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | and maybe 2-3 with the modem able to work | 01:37 |
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| astruasdh | I made my own debian image with debootstrap and I'm running apps. But the symbol's virtual keyboard (-> + Sym) does not appear when I have some debian's app focused. Is there some trick to make the virtual symbol's keyboard to appear in this scenario? | 01:38 |
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| anairda | hey guys, did anyone tried the udds request after latest nokia n900 firmare update which supposelly corrects this bug? | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | ussd... | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | which works | 01:39 |
| mece | wow.. apparently QAbstractKineticScroller is borked on QPlainTextEdit! | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ironically when you get a reply it goes into landscape mode | 01:39 |
| mece | works perfectly on QTextEdit. | 01:40 |
| anairda | yeah unstructured supp service data.... my bad... but it seems that it doesnt | 01:40 |
| anairda | or i am a totally freak | 01:40 |
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| anairda | i mean if i call the *#60# for divice imei address works | 01:42 |
| anairda | other like setting the voicemail timing doesnt | 01:42 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: http://hothardware.com/News/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-480M-Powered-Notebook-Sneak-Peek/ | 01:43 |
| anairda | get the same old: "service code unsupported" | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | O_O | 01:43 |
| mece | ok... I think qlister is ready to be promoted. | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | anairda, it's *#06# | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | and that works since 1.1 | 01:43 |
| anairda | yeah but nothing changed since then | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | and you don't call it, it's not a ussd function, it's just a sw call | 01:43 |
| astruasdh | using the maemo's default browser I can zoom in and out. This same zoom in/out can be used on iceweasel from easy-debian ? | 01:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i can make ussd widgets here | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, no | 01:44 |
| solrize | woah, nokia drops n900 price by almost $200... new model coming soon? | 01:44 |
| anairda | but they said will be embeded in the latest firmware update | 01:44 |
| mece | solrize, wha? | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | still a wallet breaker around here :P | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | anairda, and they did | 01:44 |
| astruasdh | MohammadAG51> ty :) can I use the symbol's virtual keyboard (-> + Sym) on the iceweasel? | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, most probably not :) | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | unless qole adds it somehow | 01:45 |
| astruasdh | got it | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | if he does plan to do that it won't be easy | 01:45 |
| astruasdh | ty! :) so I will need to solve my problem with language settings | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, or remp keys :) | 01:46 |
| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 what is remp keys? | 01:46 |
| mc_teo | why does flash need to be updated? | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | on my N900, check the wiki astruasdh | 01:47 |
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| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 got it... remap keys... is it? | 01:47 |
| mc_teo | i get an error, saying flash needs to be updated | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | mc_teo, where? | 01:48 |
| mc_teo | when i view a flash video | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | flash got upgraded to 10 then | 01:49 |
| Viliny__ | crashanddie: you here? | 01:49 |
| mc_teo | said i need to update flash, turn on javascript, or add googleapis to whitelist | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | Viliny__: aye | 01:49 |
| Viliny__ | got a simple math problem if aren't doing anything important :) | 01:50 |
| mc_teo | MohammadAG51: how should i update it then? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cna anybody with 1.2 please check if *#100#, *100#, *31#<telnr> andm #31#<telnr> work? | 01:50 |
| Viliny__ | doc hold on ill try | 01:50 |
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| BugBlue | DocScrutinizer51: for me it works.. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | all 4? | 01:50 |
| BugBlue | at least some USSD codes worked | 01:50 |
| BugBlue | I did not test them all | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, imll check | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | #x# yes | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I bet *some* do actually work | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | *xx# works | 01:51 |
| mc_teo | MohammadAG51: how should i update it then? | 01:51 |
| BugBlue | *#100# doesn't work for me, my operator doesn't support it | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but I doubt Nokia did a complete clean implementation ;-P | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | mc_teo, flash 10 isn't coming | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | BugBlue: doesn't matter | 01:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | BugBlue, but it was requested | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then it'll read "not done" os sth liie that | 01:52 |
| mc_teo | *#100# is my networks balance checkup | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | *00# is roaming crap | 01:53 |
| BugBlue | my operator doesn't do a lot of USSD codes, they have a website you've have to have flash installed for of course etc... | 01:53 |
| mc_teo | *#100# works for me | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | *31#NR will send the own number to far end on a call | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: how you can make partial implementation of these codes? | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, somehow i doubt it works in call | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I can - it's easy | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 01:54 |
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| ZogG | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/06/03/image/295249_Oddly%2C%20this%20is%20how%20she%20learned%20to%20greet%20everyone.gif | 01:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, it works in call, just call a new number | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, how to verify that i really have 5V on usb | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | max madness? '#31#+4199999w*p33'; from contacts | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | without a meter | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, use something that requires 5V? | 01:56 |
| crashanddie | Viliny__: I'm half asleep but sure. Still waiting for your equation though. | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | flash stick + led should do | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | well, i don't have other parts of it | 01:57 |
| * crashanddie rolls a fag | 01:57 | |
| * crashanddie throws some tobacco at lcuk | 01:57 | |
| jacekowski | i'm just hacking bme | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | omfg, lcuk isn't in the channel/ | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | ??? | 01:57 |
| mc_teo | #31#number just blocks your number from sending | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk's away | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | ~seen lcuk | 01:57 |
| infobot | lcuk <~user@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 22h 32m 31s ago, saying: 'gnite'. | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | holiday | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | he pops in sometimes | 01:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~seen lcukn900 | 01:57 |
| infobot | lcukn900 <~lcuk@82.132.248.108> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 22m 49s ago, saying: '\o night'. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mc_teo: if it really does that's fine | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: that's end of the world | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | 2 hours left then | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i'm just wondering | 01:58 |
| * crashanddie goes into anaphylactic shock. | 01:58 | |
| jacekowski | if he's still in the UK | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | what sort of holiday is it | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | ZogG, any ideas where i can get a bh-505 in il? and don't say import, i have less than 14 days | 01:58 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: well i didnt try it, but thats been used in ireland for years to block number sending | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: il as illinois or something else? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mc_teo: yesyes but that's not the topic here | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | isn't the bh505 like ridiculously bad? | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: think the guys who have been kicking the arabs' collective ass for the past 2000 years | 02:00 |
| solrize | MohammadAG51, shopping.google.com | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mc_teo: the question is: has this bug been fixed for good in 1.2? | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: israel | 02:01 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51 no, if you would buy it than you would have it by now, and why 14 days, are you gonna explode? =) | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: but they were kicking they butts for last 100 years | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | there was no israel before then | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | nah, off for the holidays | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | and besides, i've read that almost everybody there have polish ancestors | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, and you are? | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | well, polish | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | living in? | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | uk | 02:03 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: whether it's called zion or medinat yisra'el (or dawlat isra'il for MohammadAG51) doesn't really matter, does it? | 02:03 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: that was a bug? i thought it just didnt like my network provider | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | rofl | 02:03 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: so, is it true or some bs? | 02:04 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: more likely to be the other way around | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | what is? | 02:04 |
| jacekowski | that almost everybody living in israel has polish ancestors | 02:05 |
| opdf2 | Extras Decoders froze during update so I took the battery out. I turned on the phone and it resumed the update while on the Nokia screen | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mc_teo: why do you think I'm asking somebody with 1.2 to test all that? | 02:05 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: it's a very big generalisation, and a bad one at that. You might want to look up zionism, the first aliyah and the second aliyah. | 02:06 |
| jacekowski | at the moment i'm reading BME code | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | especially the p and w and , operators I bet aren't yet supported | 02:07 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: between the first and second world war, two further aliyahs happened, which brought another 100k jews to the area, second world war is covered under the 5th aliyah, but we all know it wasn't anything religious, and just a "oh shit, they're cooking people if I stay here" | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | yeah, something like that | 02:08 |
| Viliny__ | crashanddie: i pmed you | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | where p = wait for connect, w= wait for silence, and , = pause for 0.5(?)s | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | but the thing is that apparently after 2nd world war half of people there were speaking polish | 02:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | <jacekowski> that almost everybody living in israel has polish ancestors | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | the fsck if i know lol | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | i don't xD | 02:10 |
| * ZogG mp> shes.out.of.my.league.2010.720p.bluray.x264-machd.mkv [1280x544 avc1 23.976fps] | 02:10 | |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: were you adopted? | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | that was stupid comment | 02:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, no | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | how do you know | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | that reminds me | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | couple years ago i asked my parents if i were adopted | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | and they never denied it | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | o.O | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | what made you ask that q | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | i've got no idea | 02:13 |
| jacekowski | i remember that i told that to my younger sister later on | 02:13 |
| jacekowski | and she started do cry | 02:13 |
| jacekowski | well, i've told here that she was adopted | 02:13 |
| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 worked perfectly! ty! | 02:15 |
| mc_teo | so any ideas how i could update flash | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | <jacekowski> well, i've told here that she was adopted | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wouldn't have done that | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | at least until she's +18yo | 02:21 |
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| jacekowski | well, she wasn't adopted | 02:21 |
| jacekowski | i just said it because i could | 02:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | that's... not a smart thing to do | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | ( i have much longer history of antisocial behaviour ) | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | how old are you anyways | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | 20 at the moment | 02:22 |
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| crashanddie | what brother/sister didn't tell each other they were adopted? | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh, opposite of what i expected | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | I mean, seriously. | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: btw, the "at the moment" shows how childish you really are :) | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | Most kids stop saying that around age 10-12 | 02:26 |
| konfoo | tsk tsk | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | or that means i'll be 21 in couple minutes | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | well, in 30 days | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | in a couple months, will you say 20 and 3/4? | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, he'll say 20 and 5/4 | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | i'm not that childish | 02:27 |
| mc_teo | http://hyfbt.com/QhA9 | 02:27 |
| mc_teo | sfw | 02:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 28+ | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 50- | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: is 51 your age or year you were born? | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | http://hyfbt.com/CCjC | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | lol | 02:28 |
| Wolfie | This is totally off topic, but could I bother someone with Internet Explorer at their disposal? No other channel seems to be alive at this time of the day | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, neither | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | o.O | 02:28 |
| Wolfie | i'd need to get a website quickly IE-checked | 02:28 |
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| jacekowski | Wolfie: what exploit you want me to try | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | what was it? | 02:28 |
| Wolfie | well, rather a widget | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: checks your browser history and sends it to the guy | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | seriously? | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | how is that even useful... | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: could you check if *#62* etc works with 1.2? Also **04*OldPIN*NewPIN*NewPIN#. See http://web.telia.com/~u47904776/gsmkode.htm#nummerpres - thanks :-) | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | yeah, using some javascript thing that was demonstrated on slashdot some time ago | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: it doesn't work very well | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: "have you been on naughty websites lately???" | 02:29 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: exploit? | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: it said that i've not visited any porn sites recently | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, hmm, private browsing ftw | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: doesn't work on safari in private mode, anyway | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: i'm not sure if you know | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | anyway, refering websites are forbidden | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: but ie has long history of security flaws | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: and let you browse internet from your computer | 02:30 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: i'm just interested in how it renders stuff, and interprets the javascript ;) | 02:30 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: and your computer from the internet | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it does | 02:31 |
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| jacekowski | Wolfie: go on | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | Wolfie: link | 02:31 |
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| mc_teo | ... | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you get reasonable answer in a popup window? | 02:31 |
| mc_teo | that wasnt very nice | 02:31 |
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| jacekowski | mc_teo: we don't watch porn here you pervert | 02:31 |
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| crashanddie | typo fail | 02:31 |
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| MohammadAG51 | indeed, i'd correct it if i were you | 02:32 |
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| comet_ | ~flashing | 02:37 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, (BH-505) not sure, but I'm not buying the BH-905, it's a bit expensive | 02:37 |
| crashanddie | woah, dude that's some lag | 02:38 |
| crashanddie | bullet time response? | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | nah, just forgot about it | 02:39 |
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| comet_ | +b | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | i just restarted my phone again | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | +b = ban | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | where are images for app start ups stored? | 02:41 |
| jacekowski | hmm, not restarted, just killed | 02:41 |
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| astruasdh | the character c can be '+c. I found just "ccedilla"... what is the name of the ' that can be combined with c to result in ç ? | 02:44 |
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| crashanddie | astruasdh: cedilla | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, the last char was shown as c-cedillia here, but '+a is accute | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | a-acute here | 02:46 |
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| crashanddie | eh? Are we talking about c with hook under it or about an a with an accent on it? | 02:48 |
| astruasdh | DocScrutinizer thank you... I wanna use ' to be both, acute and cedilla. is it possible? | 02:50 |
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| comet_ | SpeedEvil please tell me you dont use irc through tor? | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | astruasdh: nope | 03:00 |
| astruasdh | ty | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | comet_: you bet he does :-D | 03:03 |
| Andy80 | anyone of you uses QtCreator? | 03:06 |
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| astruasdh | is the phone application that n900 uses to make phone calls open-source? | 03:06 |
| ali12341 | not last time i checked | 03:06 |
| astruasdh | hmmm at lease is there some documentation about the api to make phone calls? | 03:07 |
| konfoo | andy: yes, started to | 03:08 |
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| caotic | Can anyone tell me the path of the 'N900' directory ? | 03:12 |
| Andy80 | konfoo: do you know how to use Git from QtCreator? | 03:12 |
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| konfoo | andy: nope havent done any revision control through it, sorry | 03:17 |
| konfoo | andy: doing any qtscript? | 03:17 |
| astruasdh | do u know the library responsible for the phone calls? | 03:18 |
| Andy80 | konfoo: no... working to a qt/c++ project, just started.... | 03:18 |
| konfoo | andy: compared to xcode/eclipse(android) i'm liking the ide, a lot | 03:19 |
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| ptl | Hi... I've finally made something that put my device in a reboot loop, although it was a simple script for loading the battery module for titan's kernel | 03:24 |
| ptl | how can I get out of the reboot loop sort of reflashing? | 03:24 |
| ptl | I've just copied the 'welcome' script to a script that does a modprobe, then put it in /usr/local/bin, then symbolic-linked it to /etc/event.d | 03:25 |
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| ptl | I've put the device in RD mode | 03:28 |
| ptl | how do I reboot now? | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | i need some help | 03:28 |
| ptl | hey jacekowski | 03:28 |
| ptl | how's it going? | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | from somebody who has working wifi at home and | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | ptl, why did you put it into R&D mode | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | ssh on phone | 03:29 |
| * MohammadAG51 has that | 03:29 | |
| ptl | MohammadAG51: I am checking if I can do anything to remove that event.d script | 03:29 |
| ptl | MohammadAG51: can't R&D mode help me on that? | 03:29 |
| ptl | I've disabled the watchdogs. | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | hmm, nvm | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | i forgot | 03:29 |
| ptl | how can I choose the boot mode? | 03:29 |
| jacekowski | i can do it without wifi | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | flasher-3.5 -R | 03:29 |
| ptl | it says 'boot mode: normal' | 03:29 |
| ptl | yep, I did that | 03:30 |
| ptl | but it is in the reboot loop again :/ | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's always normal | 03:30 |
| ptl | dang. | 03:30 |
| ptl | Is there anything that can be done? | 03:30 |
| ptl | sort of reflashing. | 03:30 |
| Macer | hm | 03:31 |
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| Macer | how do i use f keya in temrm? | 03:31 |
| Macer | u want to use mc | 03:31 |
| Macer | function keys | 03:32 |
| Macer | i want :) | 03:32 |
| asj_ | ptl: you could turn on the serial console and see why...unfortunatly you don't have a serial port | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | there is a serial port | 03:32 |
| ptl | And I can't use USB as a serial port, right? | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | next to the battery pins | 03:32 |
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| asj_ | MohammadAG51: heh, only if they sold the mfg jigs ;) | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | comet_: I don't use IRC through tor. | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: they do | 03:33 |
| Macer | there is no way to do it? | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: To nokia approved service centres. | 03:33 |
| Macer | xterm doesnt have very many options | 03:33 |
| ptl | So, no options to me, people? | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | asj_: I haven't investigated how to become one, as I suspect it may be hard to do free. | 03:33 |
| Macer | i remember being able to add macros to the bar | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: naah | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, aren't they generic? | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: _way_ back, I was running a tor exit node. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: no | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: for a few days. | 03:34 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: I bet it varies per country, I'm guessing in India it might be easier than say AU or USA | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: this got me blacklisted on freenode. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: After I stopped, lilo gave me a tor/* mask - as it was apparantly the easiest way to curcumvent the block that was due to an old list of exit nodes. | 03:35 |
| Macer | blah | 03:35 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: that was a long time ago | 03:35 |
| Macer | i need to find out how to add fn keys to xterm | 03:35 |
| Macer | there has to be a way to do it | 03:35 |
| Macer | make it work like ctrl does | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: haha nice | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj: a moderately long time ago. Hence the appearance of Lilo in the story. | 03:35 |
| Macer | where it locks down and you can just hit numbers :( | 03:36 |
| ptl | flashing... | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: there was a post on tmo | 03:36 |
| Macer | yah? | 03:36 |
| Macer | know where? | 03:36 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: I'm trying to remember when he died, must have been 04-05? | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think 07 | 03:36 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i will look when i get home | 03:36 |
| asj_ | SpeedEvil: ah my bad | 03:36 |
| Macer | i am out now | 03:37 |
| Macer | ah well. ok. thanks | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 06 even. | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386536 macer | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, so it doesn't follow specs? | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at quoles post | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | quaol | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | however you spell it... | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: ? | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | i.e if i can get you what it uses, you can't get it from some site? | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: It is a nonstandard box, that's connected to the nonstandard pads. You certainly can make something that will connect to those pads if you have the right gear. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I hope to be doing more hardware and software hacking, including exposing what the pads are soon. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not a standard JTAG wiggler forec | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | testpads? you tried to figure what they are? fsckng Nokia EE erased them from schem :-/ | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | afk | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | 03:47:32 up 2:41, load average: 14.98, 10.39, 4.84 | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | happens in seconds ^ | 03:48 |
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| astruasdh | is media player supposed to play a wma internet radio? | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | Isn't that Windows Media Audio | 03:53 |
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| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 I really dont know the acronym :( it is just a link with the file ending in .wma | 03:54 |
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| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 probably is this wma that u told | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | never used wma, but i have a feeling it's not supported | 03:55 |
| astruasdh | ty! | 03:55 |
| type_t | audio/x-ms-wma | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | decoders-support | 03:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | actually | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | astruasdh, wma works here | 03:56 |
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| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 should I download an specific app for that? | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | cra | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | he left :/ | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | o/ lcukn900 | 03:57 |
| lcukn900 | heya moh | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie was looking for you | 03:57 |
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| lcukn900 | oooh | 03:58 |
| lcukn900 | crashanddie ping | 03:59 |
| opdf2 | I'm getting "bus error" when trying to run erminig. Any help? | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | he left | 04:00 |
| lcukn900 | ahh well will catch him later | 04:00 |
| astruasdh | is there some option in the internet radio tool to remove a link, or I need to edit some conf. file manually? | 04:01 |
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| lcukn900 | what have i missed then | 04:02 |
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| * lcukn900 ponders | 04:07 | |
| b-man|n900 | hey lcukn900 | 04:08 |
| lcukn900 | heya bman | 04:08 |
| lcukn900 | you are in #liqbase too :p | 04:08 |
| lcukn900 | i need to do something with the maps | 04:09 |
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| lcukn900 | whats best turn by turn directions on 900 nowadays | 04:10 |
| lcukn900 | tracy misses todd from the 810 and we cant get license authenticated atm | 04:10 |
| SwedeMike | lcukn900: is there anything else than the built in ovi maps? | 04:10 |
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| lcukn900 | yes but ive not tested them | 04:11 |
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| lcukn900 | but i need to try something | 04:11 |
| lcukn900 | if mapping and routing could be done on amiga it should be viable on 900 rlyrlyrly well | 04:12 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs his internets. | 04:12 | |
| lcukn900 | damn my lighters are empty | 04:12 |
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| SwedeMike | next time I am on an windows device I'll use map downloader, would be nice to have more complete maps actually on the device to speed up things | 04:14 |
| SwedeMike | otoh I tend to not use the map thing so much, since it uses enormous amounts of cpu (and thus power hungry) | 04:15 |
| lcukn900 | moh did i hear right that by stripping the usb code from the driver that hostmode without cable alteration is working? | 04:15 |
| Scifi | Anyone facing a problem with Nokia Messaging these days? The automatic sync is asking for password each time and doesn't actually sync anything. | 04:15 |
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| lcukn900 | i need to look at osm maps or the data format used by ovi maps | 04:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: not quite | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: it's a bt more involved than that | 04:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: But it's in progress. | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lcukn900: The ideal is to get it to the stage where you need a F-F adaptor and the stock cable, and it 'just works'. | 04:18 |
| lcukn900 | soeedevil cool ok will read up when i get properly online | 04:18 |
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| lcukn900 | yeah sure | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n/ | 04:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 04:18 |
| lcukn900 | like it was on 810 etc | 04:19 |
| Termana | good morning | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcukn900, it worked for me, no one could reproduce it | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Did 810 supply power - I forget. | 04:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I don't. | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I never knew, as I diddn't have one. | 04:20 |
| lcukn900 | speedevil it did otg, so 100ma | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | 100? | 04:21 |
| lcukn900 | just enough to power some keyboards etc | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 is twice as good! | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 200 | 04:21 |
| lcukn900 | amusingly my keyboard worked until i chorded a group of keys and took the drain over 100 | 04:22 |
| lcukn900 | n900 is more than twice as good anyway | 04:23 |
| lcukn900 | moh you are proving once again you are special | 04:23 |
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| lcukn900 | holy crap 1740 emails | 04:24 |
| lcukn900 | its only been 5 days | 04:24 |
| b-man|n900 | jeez | 04:24 |
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| b-man|n900 | i get that much in a year xD | 04:25 |
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| opdf2 | Do I need to reflash because I'm gettin Bus error | 04:25 |
| lcukn900 | opdf2 explain more | 04:26 |
| opdf2 | ran erminig from xterm, than it says "Bus error" | 04:27 |
| opdf2 | yesterday it was working fine, no erminig updates | 04:27 |
| ptl | How do I open/read osso-abook databases? | 04:27 |
| lcukn900 | tried rebooting? | 04:27 |
| lcukn900 | ptl from where and what purpose? | 04:28 |
| opdf2 | yeah and un/reinstall | 04:28 |
| lcukn900 | if its just to be nosey offline they are sqlite | 04:28 |
| ptl | lcukn900: from my ubuntu laptop, it seems I have some corrupted addressbook records and I'd like to rescue just 2 contacts. | 04:28 |
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| ptl | I've copied .osso-abook to a temp directory. | 04:29 |
| ptl | no clue? | 04:30 |
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| lcukn900 | opdf2 someone else experienced it in tmo today | 04:30 |
| lcukn900 | did it just get updated? | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone having problems logging into maemo.org? | 04:30 |
| lcukn900 | ie could it be a fault of dev version | 04:30 |
| ptl | lcukn900: sqlite? it seems berkeley db | 04:31 |
| lcukn900 | im sure someone aid sqlite | 04:31 |
| ptl | addressbook.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 8, native byte-order) | 04:31 |
| lcukn900 | maybe then lol perhaps im thinking of different db | 04:32 |
| * lcukn900 ponders it being the sms database | 04:33 | |
| MohammadAG51 | <lcukn900> moh you are proving once again you are special | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 04:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | The SMS db is sql | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ite | 04:34 |
| lcukn900 | eventlogger one yeah | 04:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | If only i could set all entries in it as read | 04:35 |
| lcukn900 | cant you? | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | not with the convos app | 04:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is https://maemo.org/ down for anyone else? | 04:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | downformeoreveryoneelse.com | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | down for me too | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | URL is too long. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, I should. | 04:40 |
| Scifi | Anyone facing a problem with Nokia Messaging these days? The automatic sync is asking for password each time and doesn't actually sync anything | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | my bad | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | Scifi, worksforme | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't do https | 04:41 |
| Scifi | MohammadAG51: Thx, is there any log to check what is the error with Nokia Messaging? | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | camel | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure how to check it though | 04:41 |
| Scifi | Sorry what is camel? is that an app? | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can get a camel log, it's related to the email app, how, i'm not sure | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | search for a bug on bugs.maemo.org | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | it will prolly have camel in it | 04:43 |
| Scifi | ok will do. Thx | 04:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | http://www.google.com/m/search?site=universal&client=ms-nokia-maemo&channel=unibox&q=camel+log+site%3Abugs.maemo.org might help | 04:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh no! | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | meh. | 04:51 |
| lcukn900 | minipigs | 04:51 |
| lcukn900 | crap wrong chan | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | maybe i2c borked it :P | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcukn900, it happens :P | 04:52 |
| lcukn900 | yeah indeed on here anywa | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i shut up the birds outside | 04:53 |
| njsf_ | MohammadAG51: BB gun ? | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | any silenced versions? | 04:54 |
| njsf_ | hmmm sound was part of the effect to silence them, so I guess not :D | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | at 5AM? | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: angrybirds? | 04:55 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets the piglets | 04:55 | |
| SpeedEvil | I suggest an array of properly phased microwave sources | 04:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder if the stock headphones are comfy to sleep with | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | That are properly phased to create a peak of power on top of the bird, causing it to burst into (largely silent) flame. | 04:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | probably not | 04:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 04:56 |
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| lcukn900 | gnite #maemo | 04:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | gnite lcukn900 | 04:59 |
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| GAN900 | The mwkn/SSU visibility thread is still leaving me scratching my head. | 05:04 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets a huge knife | 05:04 | |
| MohammadAG51 | can get rid of the head part, if you want | 05:05 |
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| astruasdh | i installed audacious (a mp3 player) in a debian image with easy-chroot. What I need to change to make the sound work? maybe some alsa conf, I dunno... | 05:12 |
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| MohammadAG51 | afaik debian chroot apps don't work | 05:13 |
| astruasdh | MohammadAG51 it is working for me... I'm using atm openoffice, iceweasel and xchat... the audacious opened, but there is no sound | 05:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | err | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | sorry | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | missed the sound part | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik sound in* debian chroot apps doesn't work | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | debian chroot xchat??? | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | sorry, it's 5AM :) | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | why the heck not | 05:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | anyways | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm off | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | for the night, or the morning | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | whatever | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | Night :) | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG51: do something useful, build the plugins for xchat :-D | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | O_O | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | plugins? | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | what plugins? | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | crap | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | 5:16 | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | gotta go :P | 05:17 |
| * MohammadAG51 leaves xchat running | 05:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | python for example | 05:17 |
| astruasdh | DocScrutinizer ya... with debootstrap i created the armel debian's image, and then chrooted and apt-get install xchat | 05:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, nuke IL if i'm not here in 6 hours | 05:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | Night o/ | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | why nuke? | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | well | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | emergency siren | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | should wake me up | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 05:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Night :P | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I want py plugins for xchat!!! baaah | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG51: night | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat help says python interpreter usually comes by default with xchat. screwit | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I refuse explicitly to learn perl for coding a xchat script | 05:24 |
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| astruasdh | I'm installing a lxde desktop in a easy-chroot image. is there some specific configuration that I should care about? | 05:36 |
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| astruasdh | what does easy-debian icon do to start the lxde? | 05:59 |
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| Dassu | astruasdh: Launches everything necessary for the lxde in the debian chroot | 06:03 |
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| astruasdh | Dassu ya... but /tmp was -bind in the chroot environment... so a startx will not help. do u know the trick? | 06:05 |
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| Dassu | astruasdh: what do you mean by "bind" ? | 06:10 |
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| Pavel | Ever since I upgraded to PR1.2, CTRL-SHIFT-I to turn on reflow mode in the browser doesn't work. Has anyone else experienced this? | 06:43 |
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| astruasdh | hoorraayyyy worked with xnest | 06:51 |
| ham5 | works not on all websites | 06:51 |
| ham5 | "If you change the Text Size in the browser options to Large it will always automatically reflow the text. Personally, I think this should be a separate option no matter what the text size. " | 06:52 |
| astruasdh | what is the easy-debian's magic to be able to play music? | 06:57 |
| type_t | mp3 | 06:58 |
| astruasdh | type_t hmmm I'm using chroot in a custom debian image, and there is no way to play some music! | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 06:59 |
| astruasdh | type_t do u know what is the trick? | 06:59 |
| konfoo | woo zeemote in hand! | 06:59 |
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| SwedeMike | astruasdh: install mplayer or some other command line player? | 07:00 |
| Pavel | ham5: When I press SHIFT+CTRL+I, it brings up the location bar. Though, it just toggled after the latest attempt... Weird. | 07:01 |
| astruasdh | SwedeMike hmmm not really. I installed audacious | 07:02 |
| astruasdh | I'm installing mplayer now | 07:02 |
| SwedeMike | astruasdh: that's what I use normally on my desktop, but it wasn't evident from your question what you were after. | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: don't nuke anything if I'm *not* here in 6 hours :-P | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I know that will be hard for you, but at least try not to nuke too much | 07:04 |
| Pavel | ham5: I wonder if someone could write a browser plugin that changes the text font size from a keyboard shortcut or gesture. | 07:05 |
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| SwedeMike | Pavel: that would be really nice, I often feel I want to change the font size but it's too much of a hassle | 07:05 |
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| Pavel | I mean, CTRL+= and CTRL+- in Firefox and others don't zoom in or out, they just change the baseline font size. | 07:07 |
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| asj_ | lol, wife is calling every place around trying to find an ipad in stock, women | 07:12 |
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| astruasdh | SwedeMike I think the chroot is not being able to access the audio... mplayer cried about many things... one of them was about the /dev/dsp that does not exist | 07:13 |
| asj_ | astruasdh: /dev/dsp has to exist in the chrooted environment, but even in that case, pulseaudio has it open and it couldn;t talk to it anyways | 07:14 |
| SwedeMike | astruasdh: sounds about right, sounds like you need to use pulse or something else that doesnt need file directly | 07:14 |
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| astruasdh | hmmm what should I do? install some pulse apps in the chrooted debian? | 07:15 |
| asj_ | nope totatly the wong path | 07:16 |
| astruasdh | what do u suggest me? | 07:16 |
| asj_ | read up chroot | 07:18 |
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| astruasdh | everything is working fine... lxde with xnest, openoffice, xchat, iceweasel. The only trouble is the sound! | 07:19 |
| Macer | heh | 07:22 |
| astruasdh | the problem is not /dev, because this dir is -bind'ed | 07:23 |
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| astruasdh | cya | 07:36 |
| astruasdh | ty | 07:36 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like BME is using smbus to talk to whatever it is talking to | 11:35 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Chocolate bread on the go, whee! | 11:37 |
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| xim_ | anyone get evopedia working with a dump? I cant get the evopedia program to select the dump directory, after I extract the dump, and navigate to the folder in evopedia, it just looks inside the folder for some file it isnt finding | 11:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | xim_: strace? | 12:10 |
| xim_ | SpeedEvil, ?? | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | to work out the file | 12:12 |
| xim_ | its more like an interface problem, like when you have a "choose a directory" dialog, and you click the directory and rather than choosing it it just goes into it, and theres no explicit "select" button | 12:14 |
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| xim_ | evopedia settings are done through a web interface | 12:14 |
| xim_ | not than any file is really missing, i just cant get it to select the directory rather than navigating inside it | 12:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | Bummer. It seems to be impossible to generate "every x <interval>" events using the python libalarm bindings. e.g. every 4 minutes. | 12:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | xim_: you could find out which file it wants, and put it there I meant | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | however - you have reported a bug? | 12:36 |
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| valdyn | xim_: the button showing the directory is the "select" button | 12:42 |
| moo---_ | is there a "ringtone" api of any kind to set ringtones? | 12:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that this can be done through dbus. | 12:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or was it gconf. | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | On reflection, please ignore me, I am quite ignorant on this aspect of the device. | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | quite satisfying to make my own desktop background with pure blue sky and rolling hills :) | 13:05 |
| opdf2 | is "Bus error" related to python dependency problem? | 13:07 |
| BCMM | is the phone app open source? | 13:07 |
| lcuk | opdf2, stull having problems? | 13:07 |
| opdf2 | yeah I cant figure it out | 13:08 |
| lcuk | did you see the postings online about your app problem and bus error? | 13:08 |
| opdf2 | yeah but the author hasn't replied | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | what app is it | 13:09 |
| opdf2 | maybe something is wrong with my python-dbus | 13:09 |
| opdf2 | the app is erminig | 13:09 |
| lcuk | thats possible | 13:09 |
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| lcuk | opdf2, file a bug https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2623&group_id=702&func=browse | 13:11 |
| lcuk | author does seem to respond better than reading a thread | 13:12 |
| opdf2 | Looks like I will file a bug if I can't find anything else | 13:13 |
| lcuk | well its something thats been identified by more than just you, when did it start? | 13:13 |
| lcuk | after updating anything? (his app, pr1.2? something else)? | 13:13 |
| opdf2 | I OTA 1.2 and erminig was working fine until today | 13:14 |
| opdf2 | I must have updated another app | 13:15 |
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| opdf2 | which screwed with erminig | 13:15 |
| lcuk | so it was working after you OTA pr1.2? | 13:15 |
| lcuk | or its not worked since | 13:15 |
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| petteri | after pr1.2 sometimes after boot my n900 seems to be really slow, as it would not have enough memory. Reboot seems to fix the problem. Anyone else have this problem? | 13:16 |
| opdf2 | lcuk: It was working after I ota 1.2 | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | good to hear, then i suggest you file a bug | 13:20 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5 timeline doesn't mention the 1.2 SDK | 13:21 |
| lcuk | heya lbt | 13:22 |
| lbt | o/ | 13:22 |
| * lbt thought I should do something with the new SDK | 13:22 | |
| opdf2 | hmm just noticed somethin. tried to sudo gainroot and it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" | 13:27 |
| opdf2 | I've never gotten this message b4 with gainroot | 13:27 |
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| Trizt | opdf2; did you flash pr1.2? | 13:28 |
| lcuk | lbt, like what | 13:28 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 13:28 |
| opdf2 | Trizt: yeah OTA | 13:28 |
| lcuk | Trizt, he OTAd but that doesnt explain lack of gainrooting, opdf2 reinstall rootsh | 13:29 |
| lcuk | RST38h, haye | 13:29 |
| opdf2 | lcuk: okay | 13:29 |
| Trizt | opdf2; okey OTA shouldn't unistall anything, I second lcuk | 13:29 |
| opdf2 | hmm I guess it was uninstalled when I OTA | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a list of what daemons do/ | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | What's ohmd? | 13:34 |
| RST38h | moo, lcuk | 13:34 |
| ZogG | OTA srewed up , flashing ftw | 13:34 |
| RST38h | The Cyrillic Keyboard Layout Switch Finally Defeated!!! | 13:34 |
| RST38h | Thanks to a new guy on the block, too | 13:34 |
| ZogG | RST38h do you use cyrillic on hw? | 13:35 |
| RST38h | ZogG: As of today, I do. | 13:35 |
| ZogG | i don't | 13:35 |
| * Trizt wish there was some good menu for maemo | 13:35 | |
| RST38h | ZogG: That is because you cannot =) | 13:35 |
| ZogG | only on vkrbd | 13:35 |
| lbt | lcuk: well, upgrade sbox to start with ;) | 13:35 |
| ZogG | RST38h, why can't i? | 13:35 |
| lbt | I'm on Diablo I think.... | 13:35 |
| RST38h | Well, try | 13:35 |
| lcuk | lbt seems like a reasonable thing lol | 13:35 |
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| lcuk | tho i used diablo for ages to build | 13:36 |
| RST38h | You have got a device with all four arrow keys in place, right? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | infact i had chinook afaik | 13:36 |
| frals | welcome back lcuk o/ | 13:36 |
| lcuk | hiya frals, ty | 13:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do not tell me you are no longer building on the native hw... =) | 13:36 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, it remapps my english keyboard and i dont like it, as well as there are no place on hw keybrd it remap arrows to letters =( | 13:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, that was before i started | 13:36 |
| lcuk | but why shouldnt i tell you :p | 13:36 |
| opdf2 | okay looks like it has to do something with dbus, http://paste2.org/p/865382 | 13:37 |
| lcuk | im thinking about it more than ever now theres space on pr1.2 ;) | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | build-essential fits nicely | 13:37 |
| frals | how much does it take? | 13:37 |
| lcuk | too much lol | 13:37 |
| frals | would be nice if i could package on device without having to start virtualbox | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Silly lcuk. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i wanted to optify them but its in the sdk | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Put it in a chroot! | 13:38 |
| lcuk | im going to SpeedEvil | 13:38 |
| lcuk | but it has to be deployable easily | 13:38 |
| frals | also, never, ever import gtk in python if its a app/plugin that should be always on | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | and i was hoping to use natural stuff so same install works cross platform | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:38 |
| frals | right lcuk once you made it easy to deploy send me the deployment files so i can use em ;) | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a clean and sane way to do this though. | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - any random libraries you need to install while compiling won't be optified | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | well thats where the optify-boottime idea initially came from, i wanted include folder to be optified wholesale | 13:40 |
| lcuk | as well as liqbase lol | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | someone said the footprint for build-essential was 30mb | 13:41 |
| lcuk | build-dep for liqbase is small and light | 13:41 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Basically, that has been worked around | 13:41 |
| lcuk | and compile time for the smallish apps people want is about 10 seconds total | 13:41 |
| lcuk | ~2seconds per module | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Even the kernel is quite managable | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | 3 hours only | 13:41 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Check this out: bug #2501 | 13:41 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 13:42 |
| lcuk | yeah well i dont need such heavyweight things | 13:42 |
| RST38h | ZogG: The workaround is given near the end | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: you don't use the kernel? | 13:42 |
| * RST38h out | 13:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: You've written liqkernel? | 13:42 |
| lcuk | dont need to build it on device | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | release! | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:42 |
| alterego | Hrm, I need to draw an icon for my app now :( | 13:42 |
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| ZogG | RST38h didn't know, anyway i don't have letters on keyboard (i have us versiion) and as i said it mess the setting as russian version different from usa | 13:43 |
| lcuk | alterego, if yo uaren't an artist just do what you can and request input during testing phase | 13:43 |
| alterego | lcuk: I'm not bad, I'm just not in the mood? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | you tell me | 13:43 |
| alterego | Oh, yeah, that wasn't a question ;) | 13:44 |
| lcuk | :P | 13:44 |
| lcuk | my shoulders and back are lobster red o_O | 13:44 |
| alterego | I'm just going to make it a montage of icons that are already available on the device ^.^ | 13:45 |
| lcuk | whats the app | 13:45 |
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| alterego | Media IM status updater | 13:46 |
| lcuk | so shares your playlist with all your microblogs? | 13:46 |
| lcuk | and IM thingies? | 13:46 |
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| alterego | Well, it just updates your telepathy presence message for a set of configured accounts to the track you're listening to on the N900 | 13:51 |
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| alterego | lcuk: I thought you already saw these: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ | 13:53 |
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| frals | what theme is that? | 13:53 |
| * frals is considering changing from default | 13:53 | |
| alterego | Carbon | 13:53 |
| alterego | Why do does every one keep asking me about that theme :P | 13:54 |
| frals | tis looks good? ;) | 13:54 |
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| ShadowJK | heh | 13:56 |
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| ShadowJK | anyone noticed new "Enter code to remove operator lock" in 1.2 Settings titlebar menu? | 13:56 |
| arachnist | http://www.ikey.com/NewProducts/?productID=158 - imagine that for a phone keyboard :) | 13:57 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess that means it's possible to operatorlock n900 these days :( | 13:57 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, would need to be double jointed to do capital letters ;) | 13:57 |
| lcuk | arachnist even | 13:58 |
| lcuk | sorry | 13:58 |
| opdf2 | yeah there's something wrong with my D-Bus bindings. Is there a way to fix that | 13:58 |
| lcuk | opdf2, sounds like you are having a bit of a package collapse | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | you might be better with backup reflash restore | 13:58 |
| lcuk | rather than playing whackamole | 13:58 |
| opdf2 | I know what caused it, pysafe. It has some weird dependency issues | 13:59 |
| opdf2 | That is the last update I did | 13:59 |
| lcuk | so its pynotsosafe | 13:59 |
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| opdf2 | exactly | 13:59 |
| lcuk | is it in full extras? | 13:59 |
| arachnist | btw, how does one change the icon order in pr1.2? | 14:00 |
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| arachnist | (in the "menu") | 14:00 |
| opdf2 | lcuk: no devel | 14:00 |
| lcuk | just saw | 14:01 |
| lcuk | mmm why doesnt maemo packages interface list the changelog for apps | 14:01 |
| lcuk | it would be a useful addition | 14:01 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 14:02 |
| frals | it does? | 14:02 |
| frals | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 14:02 |
| frals | "Changes" | 14:02 |
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| ZogG | lcuk have asked for that in brainstorm 2010 packages =) | 14:05 |
| frals | or are you meaning something else? | 14:06 |
| ZogG | arachnist just touch the screen for a long time and you get it | 14:06 |
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| lcuk | frals, o_O indeed, i was looking here http://maemo.org/packages/view/maegirls/ | 14:06 |
| ZogG | frals it would be nice to have in app manager as well | 14:06 |
| lcuk | and no changes | 14:07 |
| ZogG | lcuk haha, there is nothing in maegirls changes, it's all the same once a month =))) | 14:07 |
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| ZogG | frals i assume you have russian translation | 14:07 |
| lcuk | lol ZogG | 14:08 |
| frals | lcuk: probably because everything is in the .diff, should probably report a bug about it | 14:08 |
| ZogG | frals i don't think everyone even comment changes for themselfs | 14:08 |
| frals | ZogG: no, http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/ | 14:08 |
| ZogG | frals orly? and hebrew(though that one would be harder for me) | 14:09 |
| lcuk | ZogG, for debian, the version number which is essential to be increased is part and parcel of the change file | 14:09 |
| lcuk | so would should even empty change entries | 14:09 |
| frals | the ones i have is listed on the link, feel free to add missing ones | 14:09 |
| lcuk | well spotted frals | 14:09 |
| lcuk | you are on a roll today lol | 14:10 |
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| arachnist | ZogG: thanks | 14:12 |
| loufoque_ | is there a way to run android applications on maemo? | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: no public way | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | In that some people have shown it running - but they have not published howtos | 14:14 |
| arachnist | i wonder if their "java vm" would compile cleanly with other libc than their (android) bastardized one | 14:15 |
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| frals | baaah changing theme just changed all my backgrounds as well | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: yeah that's incredibly annoying | 14:17 |
| frals | couldve atleast asked :( | 14:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | and the damn background picker also doesn't remember the folder you picked the last one from | 14:18 |
| ZogG | frals, is headers (first one is like title? ) or it's metadata of msg? | 14:18 |
| RST38h | back | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | so either you put them into their image folder, or you have to browse to your folder every time | 14:18 |
| frals | ZogG: 'message headers' so yeah, metadata of message | 14:18 |
| muelli | hm Shapeshifter. Have you filed a bug? Or better: Fixed the issue? Sounds easy enough to fix anyway :-) | 14:18 |
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| frals | thank god for live search in the filechooser | 14:19 |
| lcuk | :) | 14:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | muelli: huh, it's nokia closed source stuff. and nah, I don't care too much so I'd file a bug. | 14:20 |
| muelli | Shapeshifter: you're sure it's closed source? | 14:20 |
| ZogG | frals almost done, though not sure ho to translate Havoc in less than 10 symbols =-) | 14:21 |
| Shapeshifter | muelli: no ^^ | 14:21 |
| frals | :) | 14:21 |
| frals | ah, backgrounds restored \o/ | 14:21 |
| Shapeshifter | muelli: actually it might be open. | 14:21 |
| muelli | Shapeshifter: you'd be surprised: Very little is proprietary. That was one reason for me to get the N900 in first place :-) | 14:21 |
| opdf2 | wow I can't even backup lol | 14:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | muelli: all the apps are. contacts, calendar, even modest if I'm not mistaken | 14:22 |
| Shapeshifter | phone | 14:22 |
| Shapeshifter | image viewer! | 14:22 |
| muelli | O_o | 14:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | which totally misses a billion features | 14:22 |
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| muelli | nope. All that is open. | 14:22 |
| Shapeshifter | muelli: huh | 14:22 |
| ZogG | frals as the one word i can think about havoc in russian more than 10 letters i would say "strick" in russian | 14:23 |
| Shapeshifter | ?? | 14:23 |
| Shapeshifter | muelli: where's the source for image viewer? | 14:23 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, modest is very open | 14:23 |
| lcuk | you are right about the calendar and image viewer tho :( but thats not to say it cannot be replaced | 14:23 |
| frals | ZogG: havoc/chaos, i think if there is no good short russian word you can leave it as havoc | 14:23 |
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| frals | is modest ui open? | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik yes | 14:24 |
| lcuk | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 14:24 |
| ZogG | frals, i can use the straight translation but would do not that much sense | 14:24 |
| alterego | lcuk: was it you that showed me that simple cp plugin? | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | someone add a hildon request portrait mode flag in there | 14:24 |
| ZogG | frals i would use chaos =) | 14:24 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, make a bug against it, submit a patch and lets get it tested | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | tho i think hrw did already potentially | 14:25 |
| lcuk | i saw him with a portrait mailer | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, idk C :) | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | frals you and burchr doing portrait KB might be nice | 14:25 |
| lcuk | ;) | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Hehe: http://squid314.livejournal.com/269919.html | 14:25 |
| lcuk | for such things | 14:25 |
| ZogG | frals, i would use Lawlessness =))) | 14:26 |
| frals | lcuk: heh | 14:26 |
| frals | ZogG: if theres a short russian word for that, sounds good | 14:26 |
| RST38h | ok, time to reboot | 14:26 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, why should that stop you! | 14:26 |
| alterego | lcuk: well, if it was, this is my take on it: http://pastie.org/992909 | 14:26 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: 6 months ago i didnt know python :p | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | alterego, mmm dunno | 14:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | frals, err, really? | 14:26 |
| lcuk | frals :P some would say you still dont ;) | 14:26 |
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| frals | lcuk: :D | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 14:27 |
| lcuk | pennywell farm was cool | 14:27 |
| lcuk | mini pigs | 14:27 |
| lcuk | mini bacon butties | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | wrong channel? | 14:27 |
| lcuk | nahh that was last night | 14:27 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:27 |
| frals | lcuk: hehe, bet you were drooling :P | 14:28 |
| lcuk | it impressed tracy and the kids greatly | 14:28 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets confused http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=700905#post700905 | 14:28 | |
| lcuk | nahh | 14:28 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: :D | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | that is brilliant | 14:29 |
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| ZogG | frals done it, but is it the last one, as there are things missing ( as resize to, settings, reply and so on) | 14:29 |
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| frals | rest of words are already on device | 14:30 |
| frals | s/words/strings/ | 14:30 |
| infobot | frals meant: rest of strings are already on device | 14:30 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.pennywell.farm.bacon.20100602_015.jpg | 14:30 |
| lcuk | frals MohammadAG51 ^ | 14:30 |
| frals | lol | 14:30 |
| ZogG | frals do you want me to email? | 14:31 |
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| ZogG | or dcc here? | 14:31 |
| frals | ZogG: just upload it to transifex site | 14:31 |
| frals | is easiest | 14:31 |
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| ZogG | do i need regestarion? | 14:31 |
| frals | yeah | 14:31 |
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| ZogG | damn =) | 14:32 |
| ZogG | wait | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol lcuk | 14:32 |
| lcuk | ZogG, you need registration | 14:33 |
| lcuk | ;) | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | WakeOnLAN's useful, if only it worked remotely | 14:34 |
| alterego | Hrm .. user/Multimedia or user/Communication ... | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | for what? | 14:35 |
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| alterego | For my mafw telepathy status updater | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | OMG | 14:35 |
| ZogG | frals, check it out | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | OMG | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i was coding it in python :D | 14:36 |
| ZogG | still it needs to be tested, maybe someone can improve it, but for now vetter than nothing =) | 14:36 |
| * MohammadAG51 rm -rf's his progress | 14:36 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: mine is in python :P | 14:36 |
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| * MohammadAG51 fsck's the drive and rm -rf's it again | 14:36 | |
| alterego | :D | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, multimedia | 14:37 |
| alterego | I'm preparing it for extras now :) | 14:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: okay, multimedia it is then. | 14:37 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | i can haz a test build? | 14:37 |
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| alterego | I dunno, now you've said that, I'm kinda more inclined to put it in comms :P | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | 30 minutes is a bit far away | 14:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:37 |
| frals | ZogG: cant see it on transifex yet | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | k, user/hidden | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 14:37 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I'll give you my deb once I've finished :P | 14:38 |
| ZogG | alterego, i hope for announce on forum as well | 14:38 |
| ZogG | frals i sent it already | 14:38 |
| alterego | ZogG: yup, planning too. | 14:38 |
| libben | when will we be able to run meego stable on our n900? | 14:38 |
| alterego | libben: #meego | 14:38 |
| libben | havent checked the maemo/meego sites on a good while | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, using a ♫ ? | 14:38 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: ? | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | ascii icon | 14:38 |
| ZogG | frals maybe i did something wrong, wanna me to reup it? | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | are you using it in the app? | 14:39 |
| frals | ZogG: seems something went wrong, try again or email it to me at fmms@frals.se | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | my app was showing ♫ Song - Artist ♫ | 14:39 |
| ZogG | i would prefer to use ☭ | 14:39 |
| alterego | I've just made an icon, that I'm using for the control-panel applet icon, and for the maemo debian control icon attribute. | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | doesn't show on the N900 :) | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i meant for the status itself | 14:39 |
| opdf2 | so everytime I try to backup, it says Backup error. | 14:40 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: same here: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ | 14:40 |
| ZogG | frals, should i use send or send for reviews? | 14:40 |
| frals | send | 14:40 |
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| ZogG | frals, oh, found the problem =))) You are only allowed to upload PO files (*.po)! | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, isn't that a bit longer than a plain ♫ Song - Artist ♫ :) | 14:41 |
| frals | ZogG: name the file ru.po | 14:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: sure, but it's customisable :P | 14:41 |
| alterego | And it advertises how awesome the N900 is ^.^ | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, open source? | 14:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: of course. | 14:41 |
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| ZogG | You are only allowed to upload PO files (*.po)! =)) | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | <alterego> MohammadAG51: sure, but it's customisable :P that answered it :) | 14:42 |
| alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/Screenshot-20100603-000716.png | 14:42 |
| alterego | That's the config UI | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, didn't see the 2nd screenie | 14:42 |
| alterego | :) | 14:42 |
| frals | ZogG: the file you are uploading should be called ru.po as well | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, yeah just saw it :) | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, what theme is that btw | 14:43 |
| frals | :DDD | 14:43 |
| alterego | Hahah, carbon | 14:43 |
| alterego | I think, in the announce on t.m.o I plan on doing, I'm going to just say "P.S. The theme I'm using is carbon" :D | 14:43 |
| ZogG | frals finally =))))) | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, another thing, msn (haze) has been down since yesterday, any problems on your side? | 14:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | facebook chat shows network error too | 14:45 |
| alterego | I've not been able to log into ovi, facebook or msn :/ | 14:45 |
| frals | ZogG: thanks :) | 14:45 |
| alterego | And skype is screwy too .. | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | skype, ovi and gtalk are the only ones working here | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | msn just keeps signing in, facebook shows network error | 14:46 |
| alterego | I'll reset my internet connection, sometimes if I've been logged in to long it screws the network. | 14:47 |
| alterego | Actually, they've all logged in fine now O_O | 14:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, using haze? | 14:49 |
| alterego | Yeah | 14:52 |
| ZogG | so is it possible to integrate swype or something liek that to N900? | 14:52 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I had to delete the account and recreate it a couple of days ago. | 14:52 |
| alterego | But that was only because it looked like the port number had got corrupted. | 14:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | rebooting both the N900 and the router | 14:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a nice simple guide to pushing a trivial app to extras-devel? For example - say it's a 500 line C app, with a .c, .h and makefile. | 14:56 |
| lcuk | you need a package | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | you could upload a 10 line c file if it has the package | 14:57 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you there? | 14:59 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | someone like soccer ? | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so there is no full list what chip id's are used in n900? | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | or maybe somebody knows what's under 0x55 | 15:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that's gaia. | 15:01 |
| ZogG | http://a.yfrog.com/img59/9190/celec.jpg | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | what are you looking at? | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | BME | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | needs fleshing out | 15:02 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | exists a new application of World Cup , for maemo | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | BME pokes GAIA ADCs at least, and the battery charger. | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | BME opens i2c bus 2 times once for 0x6b which is a battery charger | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | and once for 0x55 | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall 55 being Gaia | 15:03 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | It will alert you on any goal that happens at World Cup | 15:03 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | its a Widget | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:04 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | i found the video at youtube | 15:05 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dSvvwdYSY | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | Error -8 while loading /bin/bash | 15:06 |
| RST38h | WTF this time? | 15:06 |
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| RST38h | fakeroot debian/rules clean | 15:09 |
| RST38h | : No such file or directory | 15:09 |
| RST38h | '. Stop. No rule to make target ` | 15:09 |
| RST38h | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 | 15:09 |
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| jacekowski | nope | 15:10 |
| jacekowski | The TWL4030 (to be precise the TWL5030B, see [1] aka TPS65950) | 15:10 |
| jacekowski | if that's a gaia | 15:10 |
| jacekowski | then I2C module embeds four slave hard-coded addresses (ID1 = 48h, ID2 = 49h, ID3 = 4Ah, and ID4 = | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | 4Bh). | 15:11 |
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| jacekowski | BME is talking to that using kernel driver | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, MS-DOS line endings in debian/rules? | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: i saw that lot times | 15:12 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: just edited 'em all in PICO, no msdos line endings | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: but it works regardless of endings | 15:12 |
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| RST38h | the original package was built with MADDE, I am using SB2. No idea if it affects anything | 15:13 |
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| alterego | Does the builder have qmake by default? Or am I going to have to add it to my build deps? | 15:16 |
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| jacekowski | found it | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | it's bq2700 | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | 27000 | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | charge meter | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT tells the system that your application can be rotated, so it won't prevent any other application from rotating. | 15:26 |
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| MohammadAG | an example would've been better... | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | any C apps that support rotation? | 15:26 |
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| jacekowski | type that in google | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | maep | 15:27 |
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| hume | hi...should I not be able to du Skype video calls with the latest meamo version? upgraded yesterday, but when I try, it tells me that video calls are not allowed..? | 15:30 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | i would suspec that you have to be connected over wifi | 15:33 |
| jacekowski | but i never tried it myself | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | works over 3G | 15:34 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: you are after something like http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard/hildon-portrait-keyboard/blobs/master/src/hildon-im-onehand-fkb.c#line404 | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | thanks frals :D | 15:36 |
| RST38h | anyways, how do I debug a failing dpkg-buildpackage??? | 15:36 |
| loufoque_ | frals: how do you use the phone with one hand? | 15:36 |
| loufoque_ | s/the phone/the N900/ | 15:37 |
| infobot | loufoque_ meant: frals: how do you use the N900 with one hand? | 15:37 |
| frals | loufoque_: ?? | 15:37 |
| hume | MohammadAG, ok..should work? I'm on 3G. | 15:37 |
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| loufoque_ | hildon-im-onehand | 15:37 |
| frals | MohammadAG: np, should probably replace 2nd argument with just HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT instead of the if | 15:37 |
| frals | loufoque: yes? | 15:37 |
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| loufoque_ | frals: what is that | 15:38 |
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| frals | portrait keyboard, hopefully | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG | hume, I don't see why it shouldn't :) | 15:38 |
| loufoque_ | frals: and how can you use it with one hand? | 15:39 |
| frals | loufoque: how do you normally use a portrait keyboard with one hand? | 15:39 |
| frals | -> with one hand! ;) | 15:40 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: I've figured out how to get a rough estimate of install base... depend on a dummy package, count downloads of dummy package ;o | 15:41 |
| loufoque_ | is it like the iphone's keyboard? | 15:41 |
| frals | its like a normal keypad so far | 15:41 |
| frals | feel free to submit patches etc for qwerty | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | isn't the iPhone's screen wider than the N900's? | 15:41 |
| loufoque_ | don't know, don't have an iphone | 15:42 |
| opdf2 | i fubared my pyqt binding, is my only option to reflash? | 15:42 |
| loufoque_ | opdf2: reinstall | 15:43 |
| alterego | Should I install my icons directly into rootfs or symlink from opt :) | 15:44 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: same resolution, iirc | 15:44 |
| BCMM | (i mean, same pixels) | 15:44 |
| alterego | That was a question .. | 15:44 |
| alterego | :D | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, nope, the iPhone's res is 480x272 afaik | 15:45 |
| valdyn | 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, /usr/share/pixmaps | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | 272's the PSP then :) | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 15:46 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, wikipedia says 320 × 480 | 15:46 |
| valdyn | Im just quoting apple, they may be lying ;) | 15:46 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: but that's tiny | 15:46 |
| BCMM | somebody got it confused with an ipod | 15:46 |
| jacekowski | well, i have some screenshots i made on iphone | 15:46 |
| jacekowski | and it's 320x480 | 15:47 |
| BCMM | wow, that's kinda low | 15:47 |
| haltdef | my PDA from 2003 was VGA, I lol'd so hard when the iphone came out with such a shit res :P | 15:47 |
| loufoque_ | what is the dpi setting for maemo? | 15:47 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: well, it's like with comparing dick sizes | 15:48 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: there are other variables as well | 15:48 |
| BCMM | i know | 15:48 |
| BCMM | i keep forgetting the n900 isn't 16:9 | 15:48 |
| BCMM | (sorry, not related) | 15:48 |
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| jacekowski | most people can't notice a difference between n900 resolution and iphone res | 15:49 |
| BCMM | actually, the n900 is insanely hi-res | 15:49 |
| BCMM | (in terms of dpi) | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | yeah | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | capacitive touch screen would be nice thing | 15:49 |
| BCMM | screenshots always look weird on a desktop | 15:50 |
| haltdef | stylus ftw | 15:50 |
| jacekowski | capacitive touchscreen with stylus support | 15:50 |
| haltdef | yes! | 15:50 |
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| BCMM | heh, i think i could fit four n900s (not just the screen) on top of an n900 screenshot on my monitor | 15:52 |
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| valdyn | 260 dpi does that | 15:52 |
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| jacekowski | i'm trying to draw what bme is really doing | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | and well, it's doing fuck all | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | almost | 15:55 |
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| RST38h | Oh yesssss | 15:57 |
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| RST38h | Building theme now! | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | <BCMM> actually, the n900 is insanely hi-res | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | and the iPhone 4G is an overkill | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: That'd seem to work, yes. | 16:08 |
| BCMM | is that the totally-accidentally-leaked one? | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: I think the numbers work for ~20K though | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Also - not quite - reflash | 16:08 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: uploaded .deb to: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ | 16:08 |
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| frals | yeah, but a better estimate at least :) | 16:08 |
| alterego | You need python-telepathy, python-dbus, pyside-qt4-core and pyside-qt4-gui | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/iphone-4g-put-under-a-microscope-960-x-640-looks-like-a-lock/ it was confirmed afaik | 16:08 |
| RST38h | "Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is seeking a patent on a system that would let people make purchases with a nod, a smile or even a raise of the eyebrow." | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Auctions. | 16:09 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs patents. | 16:09 | |
| BCMM | "Amazon CEO whatever is seeking a patent on everything ever" | 16:09 |
| RST38h | class action lawsuit waiting to happen | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, downloaded | 16:09 |
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| SwedeMike | N900 is really high-res, but not overkill. I don't know what the DPI is, but DPI of regular desktop screens are too low, would like 150-200DPI screen on desktop/laptop. | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm pretty sure I have them from some other app | 16:09 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: now I've just got to find my key to upload to extras ;) | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: ~350 | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | SwedeMike: 140dpi+ would be good | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | you can get 140dpi on few laptops | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you don't need a key, just a garage account with an invite | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | no desktops | 16:10 |
| BCMM | SwedeMike: probably because too many people are using programs that wouldn't scale | 16:10 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I've already got access, just forgotten how to do it. | 16:10 |
| BCMM | SwedeMike: i'd like a really, really hi-res desktop monitor though, KDE scales brilliantly | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, easiest way would be https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 16:10 |
| frals | alterego: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 16:10 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: let me know how it goes, to configure it, go to Settings->general->Media IM Status Updater | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | frals, too slow :P | 16:10 |
| alterego | :D | 16:11 |
| SwedeMike | BCMM: I want to stab myself in the face every time I see people running 1024x768 on a 1366 screen. people just don't have good eyes. | 16:11 |
| frals | was stuck with focus in vm so had to click first :( | 16:11 |
| SwedeMike | BCMM: I'd like 20" 2560x1600 screen. | 16:11 |
| lcuk | BCMM, biggest problem with super high resolution is that graphics cards and pixel pumping wont support so many | 16:11 |
| SwedeMike | or perhaps 22" | 16:11 |
| SwedeMike | 2560x1600 is well supported on higher gfx cards, so no problem there. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I want 12" 1400*1050 for my laptop. | 16:12 |
| BCMM | SwedeMike: i know what would be nice: a moniter that is, like hte n900, about twice the DPI of a typical screen, such that one could run legacy stuff (dual boot windows) at precisely double-size | 16:12 |
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| BCMM | with no scaling artifacts | 16:12 |
| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: 1680x1050 on my 12.1" would be really nice. | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is there an album option too? (not that I'd use it, just wondering) | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - and 4:3. | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:12 |
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| SwedeMike | SpeedEvil: well, 4:3 isn't really coming back I think, people want smaller laptops it seems | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:13 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: no, I was thinking of adding other options, but I think I'll just wait for feedback. | 16:13 |
| BCMM | SwedeMike: there you go, and 1280x800 wouldn't be at all shabby for legacy things | 16:13 |
| SwedeMike | BCMM: absolutely. | 16:13 |
| lcuk | SwedeMike, at what sorts of framerates and how expensive is the kit to do it | 16:13 |
| SwedeMike | but newer OS should scale well, vista/win7, newer linux etc, they all scale well. | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I can't hit the save button for some reason | 16:14 |
| BCMM | on linux, you could almost trivially have a compositing window manage scale up by 2x stuff on a list of legacy low-res things | 16:14 |
| SwedeMike | lcuk: any mid to high range gfx card will do 2560x1600, there are 30" monitors with it since a long time. | 16:14 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: :( | 16:14 |
| alterego | Erm ... | 16:14 |
| SwedeMike | you need dual channel dvi though, but that's standard on any nvidia 8800, gtx260 etc | 16:14 |
| SwedeMike | I just tihnk the 30" screens are way too bulky. | 16:15 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, bah, it doesn't support ASCIIs | 16:15 |
| SwedeMike | but I really like the resolution | 16:15 |
| ham5 | gpu: G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] 320Mb nVidia module v256.29 -xserver v1.7.7- @ 2560 x 1024 | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | Oh well | 16:15 |
| lcuk | whats gaming like at that resolution | 16:15 |
| BCMM | SwedeMike: KDE is pretty great for scalling; most stuff is either in SVG or is text | 16:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: ? | 16:15 |
| BCMM | ^scaling | 16:15 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, as I said before, ♫ :) | 16:15 |
| SwedeMike | lcuk: plenty of people doing it already, if you want 60fps you need to get a 500USD gfx card though | 16:15 |
| alterego | What do you mean by "ASCII"'s? | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | ♫ | 16:16 |
| SwedeMike | lcuk: but there are plenty of people doing that already as of several years | 16:16 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: if you've got a problem with it, just say: P | 16:16 |
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| * RST38h proudly notes that he has never had any 3D hardware to brag about | 16:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | LIAR! | 16:18 |
| * SpeedEvil points at the GPU in the n900. | 16:18 | |
| RST38h | You call *that* a GPU? | 16:18 |
| RST38h | Hehe. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes :) | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Given that one of my main graphical tests is 'will it play nethack at 60fps'. | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Next, you are going to brag about your Nintendo DS... | 16:19 |
| jaska | nethack at 60fps? must be quite the monster player to do 60 moves per second :) | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, 60fps? | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (more realistically, 5 tops) | 16:20 |
| RST38h | He is probably running a bot there. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The best players go _really_ slowly | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Marvin is insane. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | damn, these themes build forever... | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | (nethack.alt.org) | 16:20 |
| pupnik_ | RST38h: we ndeed ascii robotron | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Best players save a lot and backup their saves | 16:20 |
| Ikarus | NAO ftw :) | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I think his best streak of ascensions is 12 in a row. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | With no saving | 16:21 |
| lcuk | does the lcd do 60fps? | 16:21 |
| Ikarus | also, nethack on the N900 is a bit of a pain | 16:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Funny, I got to work with a Robotron, model 1750 I think | 16:21 |
| lcuk | or even graphics hw | 16:21 |
| pupnik_ | cool | 16:21 |
| Ikarus | lcuk: the graphics HW is capable of it | 16:21 |
| jaska | or predicting prng state | 16:21 |
| jaska | altho those nethack play servers have better rngs nowadays i think | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | jaska: Nope. nethack.alt.org is a public server anyone can telnet to and play | 16:21 |
| pupnik_ | if you have workable suggestions for improving ui, please speak | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Pravetz was actually somewhat better (Pravetz8 being a shrunk down Apple][ clone, Pravetz16 a honest copy of PC XT) | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: more exploding helicopters. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Improving what UI? | 16:22 |
| pupnik_ | nehack ui | 16:22 |
| lcuk | Ikarus, on xvideo yuv i see ~57fps | 16:22 |
| RST38h | Ah that... Well, you kinda can't improve it any more =) | 16:23 |
| jaska | i wonder what have i done wrong, still 79 columns in osso-xterm even after i disable the scroll"bar" and borders in libvte | 16:23 |
| pupnik_ | i think it simply requires learningm as all std roguelikes | 16:23 |
| lcuk | but not usually 60 or more | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Some speedy dynamic menu system would probably help | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Given how cramped N900 keyboard is | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:23 |
| jaska | brain-machine interface | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | And click to travel. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | jaska: with neural feedback | 16:23 |
| RST38h | click to travel is already there | 16:24 |
| Ikarus | I'd love a port of xnethack to the N900 | 16:24 |
| RST38h | (in the one I built, anyway) | 16:24 |
| Ikarus | I can barely play it text mode | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Are you talking of vultures eye? | 16:24 |
| RST38h | Ikarus: Vulture's Eye is in the repos | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil; Of course | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I found vultures eye less playable than the keyboard one | 16:24 |
| Ikarus | RST38h: it sucks | 16:24 |
| Ikarus | RST38h: xnethack is clean 2D tiled | 16:24 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, dunno. I never really played Nethack in text mode. Only Angband and ZAngband. | 16:25 |
| Ikarus | not an ugly sort-of 3D hack on top of the text implementation | 16:25 |
| RST38h | To me, Nethack kinda sucks anyway, as you cannot kill Bill Gates and the Finnish Prime Minister there | 16:25 |
| smoku | vultures eye is unplayable | 16:25 |
| pupnik_ | another game that could be ported to opengl es without too much work is Secret Maryo World | 16:25 |
| jaska | ooh, kill finnish prime minister.. which of the sucky ones? | 16:25 |
| jaska | we've had a lot of crummy ones | 16:25 |
| jaska | including the current moron | 16:26 |
| pupnik_ | smoku: i played it for a while | 16:26 |
| jaska | and wasnt bill gates bull gates | 16:26 |
| jaska | in some angband variant | 16:26 |
| RST38h | smoku: worksforme | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jaska: Ahtisaari I think | 16:27 |
| RST38h | jaska: They replaced Farmer Maggot (from original Angband) with Marti Ahtisaari | 16:28 |
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| jaska | martti was a president | 16:28 |
| smoku | pupnik_: and had fun? for me it was a constant struggle with the interface... | 16:28 |
| jaska | not a prime minister | 16:28 |
| RST38h | jaska: It was Bill Gates all right, don't let the "u" fool you ;) | 16:28 |
| jaska | oh, i was hoping for an esko aho -monster | 16:28 |
| RST38h | jaska: Well, as far as killing goes, the distinction is almost irrelevant =) | 16:28 |
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| pupnik_ | smoku: roguelikes in general must be learned | 16:29 |
| jaska | roguelikes are an acquired taste. | 16:29 |
| pupnik_ | smoku: but there is a simple console roguelike called "powder" that builds fine | 16:30 |
| smoku | pupnik_: Diablo is instant fun without learning ;P | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | yes | 16:30 |
| pupnik_ | but not as much fun, for some, as having many commands available | 16:30 |
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| smoku | pupnik_: so, there are exceptions. and I have a lot of fun playing ADOM and tried Falcons Eye and it was unplayable. so I'm with Ikarus, that in this case plain 2D interface is better with coming up with isometric thingy with gui that reqyures keyboard | 16:33 |
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| RST38h | Diablo is not exactly a roguelike | 16:40 |
| RST38h | too dynamic, too fast | 16:40 |
| jaska | not very dynamic, just simplified | 16:40 |
| RST38h | Some people like that, but not most of the traditional roguelike players | 16:40 |
| pupnik_ | the question of projecting an isometric display is orthogonal to the choice of command set or input ui generally | 16:41 |
| pupnik_ | just not relevant | 16:42 |
| * RST38h played Vulture's multiple times. It is pretty playable, although maybe not as much fun as a text mode version | 16:42 | |
| smoku | it is relevant to "is unplayable" thread. it's one of the factors that breaks this version | 16:42 |
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| pupnik_ | ok i dont understand how/why the isometric display hinders playability | 16:43 |
| RST38h | HydroCarbon-Theme built! | 16:43 |
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| arachnist | there used to be a gui for nethack/slash'em that was completly top-view 2d | 16:44 |
| pupnik_ | yep for 770 | 16:44 |
| arachnist | not only for 770 | 16:44 |
| arachnist | i used to play that version on my pc | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: For nethack at least - you absolutely need to be able to see projectilerange + a bit. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise there are way too many 'ooops - you died' moments. | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | (that are not related to the game mechanics) | 16:45 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: unless you play slashem and your class is a monk. then projectilerange doesn't matter as you only kick and punch, most of the time | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - yes. | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was more meaning the other guy. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | /girl/elf/centaur | 16:47 |
| pupnik_ | good point re. view range SpeedEvil | 16:47 |
| pupnik_ | i prefer 2d tiles usually | 16:47 |
| lcuk | didnt gta solve 2d tiling viewrange :D | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Grand Theft Auto? | 16:53 |
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| ali1234 | there is a great 2d graphical interface for angband written in tk | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Keyword: Tk. AVOID. | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | unfortunately it is not maintained and nearly impossible to compile due to using a build system manager written by the same guy, also no longer maintained, and written in tk too | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | yeah crappy language, but the UI is miles better than vulture's | 16:56 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, yes | 16:56 |
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| ali1234 | and yeah it uses 2d view, not iso | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | http://www.zangband.org/common/gfx/screenshots-tk.jpg | 16:57 |
| RST38h | As I said: Tk. AVOID. | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | this coming from the guy who won't use any software that doesn't compile for DOS... | 16:58 |
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| RST38h | Will Tk compile for DOS? | 16:59 |
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| ali1234 | i doubt it | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | being able to compile software for DOS usually means the software is crippled beyond all usability anyway | 16:59 |
| RST38h | That is a common mistake. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | OMG I broke it | 17:00 |
| ali1234 | yes, keeping around support for 30 years old OS usually is a mistake :) | 17:00 |
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| pupnik_ | any of you up for trying "powder"? | 17:01 |
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| pupnik_ | maybe grab the pc version to see if it seems worth it | 17:02 |
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| ali1234 | seems worth it... nice graphics, already ported to linux, and designed for handhelds... | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | frals, statusmenu-fmms? | 17:04 |
| frals | yes? | 17:04 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: whats unclear? ;p | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | frals, just saw in the cauldron build *heads to maemo.org/packages* | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | s/build/list | 17:06 |
| frals | http://maemo.org/packages/view/statusmenu-fmms/ | 17:06 |
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| * b-man yawbns | 17:08 | |
| b-man | gah | 17:08 |
| b-man | *yawns | 17:09 |
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| loufoque_ | do you need to launch the FM boost application for it to take effect? Or is it a permanent setting? | 17:15 |
| Appiah | yes | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | it resets at each reboot afaik | 17:16 |
| Appiah | after turning on the fm transmitter | 17:16 |
| Appiah | also after plugging in/plugigng out charger | 17:17 |
| Appiah | think its only after reboot on PR1.2 | 17:17 |
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| loufoque_ | I can't see any change in audio quality after I launch it | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | not the inherent limitations section | 17:20 |
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| hcm_ | MohammadAG: could you join the hostmode channel please, I have some questions.. | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | DAMN XCHAT! | 17:29 |
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| pupnik_ | gronmayer doesnt help me find alsa-utils for n810 | 17:35 |
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| nas_ | :) | 17:43 |
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| ham5 | n900 have ir? | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:50 |
| ham5 | thanks | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | CIR, I think it's called (Consumer IR, or something like that) | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | Not IrDA complaint though | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't have full IrDA | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | it can emulate a remote control | 17:50 |
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| ham5 | no clue what that is but ok | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | it can't receive IR | 17:50 |
| mgedmin | but the application for it is horribly and user-hostile, so good luck with that | 17:50 |
| smoku | pupnik_: http://i47.tinypic.com/5lthkg.png :) | 17:52 |
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| dr34m | hi. short question does anybody know where the xchat is standard installed to? i cant find the thing.. wanted to put fish in the plugin dir. thx | 18:21 |
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| b0unc3 | dr34m, dpkg -L xchat | 18:24 |
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| Cabletwitch | Yo | 18:24 |
| * Cabletwitch pokes frals and checks for life | 18:25 | |
| Cabletwitch | I guess not | 18:26 |
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| b-man|laptop | lol | 18:27 |
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| Cabletwitch | Anyone else notice with auto-caps that it does exactly that regardless of wether or not you want one? | 18:28 |
| Cabletwitch | Its done that when I was filling out the fmms settings, and if those are case sensitive, then thats a bugger. | 18:29 |
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| Cabletwitch | Also, who do I have to torture to get auto-caps working in xchat? | 18:30 |
| mhmh | same with witter, i realised yesterday.. took me a a fgew minutes to realise it capilized the input fields in the account settings :) | 18:30 |
| Cabletwitch | Bribery and/or seduction are also possible. | 18:30 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: did mc_teo come back yesterday? | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | When I was online? no | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen mc_teo | 18:31 |
| infobot | mc_teo <~user@178.167.157.240.threembb.ie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 2s ago, saying: 'that wasnt very nice'. | 18:31 |
| jacekowski | 01:31 -!- mc_teo was kicked from #maemo by crashanddie [ban evasino] | 18:31 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie | 18:32 | |
| jacekowski | and that's last thing | 18:32 |
| *** crashanddie sets mode: -bb *c_te*!*@* mc_teo!*@* | 18:32 | |
| jacekowski | finish him | 18:32 |
| *** crashanddie sets mode: -b *!*user@*.167.157.240.threembb.ie | 18:32 | |
| crashanddie | I should probably clear all the bans | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | new slate | 18:33 |
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| b0unc3 | anyone knows if it's possible to switch the desktops through dbus (or something similar) ? | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: no forgivnes | 18:33 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: they should rot i hell forever | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, ban jacekowski and don't forgive him | 18:34 |
| BCMM | available apps that use the IR are indeed a bit confusing | 18:34 |
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| crashanddie | :P | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | now kick! | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | nhaaa | 18:34 |
| BCMM | are there not existing LIRC transmission frontends that could be ported? | 18:34 |
| *** crashanddie sets mode: -b *!*acekowski@jacekowski.org | 18:34 | |
| MohammadAG | I'll do it myself | 18:34 |
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| MohammadAG | grr, expected a +o :P | 18:34 |
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| BCMM | also, we need a really simple app that basically behaves like a tvbegone | 18:35 |
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| pupnik_ | cool smoku | 18:35 |
| pupnik_ | what do you think | 18:35 |
| pupnik_ | i havent made any changes | 18:35 |
| smoku | pupnik_: nice game. http://maemo.org/packages/view/powder/ | 18:35 |
| pupnik_ | cool. new? | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | smoku, how's that PS3 emulator going? :P | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | oh very new | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | I know it requires Qt14.7.2, which is part of PR1.4 | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | nice! | 18:36 |
| pupnik_ | wooooot | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | but I hear it's awesome | 18:36 |
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| MohammadAG | lol it just got imported, nice timing smoku | 18:37 |
| Cabletwitch | Damnit, when I rule the worl, there WILL be improved mobile coverage | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | 01:31 -!- mode/#maemo [+b mc_teo!*@*] by crashanddie | 18:37 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: I'm working on the maemo-games-launcher plugin now | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | i'm starting to hate that right click paste | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, tbh you deserved a kick with that :P | 18:38 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: (poerted from my uae4all plugin ;-) | 18:38 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, i', a bad boy | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | spank me | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | smoku, it should launch PS3 and Xbox games right? :) | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | (on that topic, I got a PM asking when we should expect a PS3 emulator - and the guy was serious) | 18:39 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: oh. you asked about PS3 emulator | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | smoku, yeah, the one which needs PR1.4 | 18:39 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: current PCs do not have enough processing power to emulate PS3 at a decent speed | 18:40 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 18:40 | |
| MohammadAG | infobot, sarcasm | 18:40 |
| infobot | Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a *really* useful invention! | 18:40 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: it's hard to emulate PS2. maybe in a few years | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | smoku, you clearly need one :P | 18:40 |
| jacekowski | smoku: do you have mathematical proof of that? | 18:40 |
| jacekowski | well, i could belive that PC might not have | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | but n900 is a superior device | 18:41 |
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| pupnik_ | we still dont have synched audio playback between tablets, right? | 18:41 |
| smoku | MohammadAG: need one what? | 18:42 |
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| MohammadAG | smoku, <infobot> Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a *really* useful invention! | 18:42 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: so, how are you finding it then? | 18:44 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: think it's ready for a product page and announce thread? :D | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, still experimenting with it, but you saved me a lot of work :P | 18:44 |
| alterego | :) | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, why not! | 18:44 |
| alterego | I've been using it myself the past couple of days. | 18:44 |
| alterego | Took me a day to write it. | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | not a lot tbh | 18:45 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, does anyone know how to use the non-hildon GTK theme? | 18:45 |
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| smoku | MohammadAG: lousy joke detector could be more useful ;P | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | i.e this http://i45.tinypic.com/f0au7k.jpg | 18:47 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: are you doing: run-standalone.sh app ? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, that uses the hildon theme, which I don't want | 18:48 |
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| alterego | Oh, right | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | the only way I found to use the non-hildon theme was to use sudo, and that's not the best method | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | plus the app segfaults when run as sudo | 18:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:49 |
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| smoku | MohammadAG: you may look what env is run-standalone.sh setting and change/unset these | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | already found that :P | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/ubuntu xarchiver | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | (or any directory that doesn't have valid rc files) | 18:53 |
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| alterego | Right, it's in extras-devel, I've created a tmo thread now to create a product page .. | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | product page? | 18:57 |
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| MohammadAG | Load average: 9.11 (LOL) 3.09 1.19 | 18:59 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, under maemo.org/downloads | 19:00 |
| alterego | Not sure how I do it though :D | 19:01 |
| alterego | It's changed since the last time .. | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, sign in and use the top bar? | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | but it's in -devel | 19:04 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, just figured that out ;) | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, me too xD | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | frals, there doesn't seem to be a 10 day quarantine anymore | 19:05 |
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| alterego | Can only seem to create one for OS2007 O_O | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it's in -devel | 19:10 |
| alterego | Yeah | 19:10 |
| alterego | Will that stop me making a product page? | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | well | 19:11 |
| lcuk | red dwarf new series o_O :D | 19:11 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:11 |
| alterego | Again? | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | NOTE: Please do not link to applications in Extras-devel! End-users should not be exposed to Extras-dev | 19:11 |
| lcuk | potentially an exam to get access to extras-devel o_O | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | that would be amusing | 19:12 |
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| alterego | "if my msn would work it would be a great apbut i thin that the developers should put there energy in things that almost for most users dont work like IM " | 19:13 |
| alterego | Hahah | 19:13 |
| alterego | "the developers" wtf ?! | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 19:14 |
| loufoque_ | MSN didn't work some time ago for me | 19:15 |
| loufoque_ | I don't think if it's the PR1.2 update or enabling an extras repository that fixed it | 19:15 |
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| loufoque_ | (talking about pecan there) | 19:15 |
| alterego | It's been flakey for me, but if I disconnect/reconnect to the internet it starts working again. | 19:15 |
| alterego | I'm using haze | 19:15 |
| Macer | justified is a pretty good | 19:15 |
| loufoque_ | s/I don't think/I don't know/ | 19:16 |
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| loufoque_ | butterfly is probably the best, why is it only in devel? | 19:16 |
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| alterego | I can't say I've actually noticed any difference between pecan and haze. | 19:17 |
| loufoque_ | oh it's in testing actually | 19:17 |
| loufoque_ | buttefly probably kills the battery like crazy though | 19:18 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: BME seems to be resetting that charger timer much more often than every 28z | 19:19 |
| * MohammadAG pings DocScrutinizer ^ | 19:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dare! buger | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | it looks more like 10s | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 19:20 |
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| jacekowski | BME seems to be resetting that charger timer | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | much more often than every 28z | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | 28s* | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no problem, bme loves to play busy | 19:21 |
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| jacekowski | well, i did RTFM and it looks that timer might be as low as 12s | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the watchdog timer in bq24150 is defined as 32 seconds. Of course every reset period time <32s is ok, it's just eating more cpu cycles, more power, and more logfile space ;-P | 19:22 |
| jacekowski | page 6 | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | last row | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | minimal 32s | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | minimal 12s | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | typical 32s | 19:24 |
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| Lazy^ | hello, i'm unable to upgrade to 1.2. updatemanager says that i need to use pc-suite and apt-get dist-upgrade says that i dont have enough space @ /var/apt/cache.... | 19:35 |
| ham5 | clear out your cache then | 19:35 |
| muelli | Lazy^: eh. yes. Maybe it's because you don't have enough space ;-) | 19:36 |
| ham5 | just packages youve updated in the past... dont need em.... rm them | 19:36 |
| muelli | the wiki describes a method to make apt-get use a different directory as the cache for the debs. | 19:36 |
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| BCMM | Lazy^: make enough free space to do the upgrade, or use a PC | 19:36 |
| ham5 | no | 19:36 |
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| BCMM | Lazy^: there is almost certainly a version for your platform | 19:36 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: how goes your USB host UI? | 19:40 |
| ham5 | usb port on the n900? | 19:41 |
| dr34m | a way to compile smth directly on the n900 ? make doesnt work | 19:41 |
| lcuk | does for me | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | that's weird | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | 0xbef1491d: 0x01 | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | 0xbef148fa: 0x004d | 19:41 |
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| jacekowski | 0xbef1491d: 0x01 | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | 0xbef148fa: 0x004f | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | 0xbef148bd: 0x01 | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | 0xbef1489a: 0x004e | 19:42 |
| lcuk | Lazy^, morally agaisnt backup/reflash/restore? | 19:42 |
| alterego | dr34m: is it a program someone else wrote? Or are you planning on writing one yourself? | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: take a look at that | 19:42 |
| dr34m | somebody else .. actually its the fish module for xchat .. the precompiled versions i have wont work ofc | 19:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's what bme was writing to charger chip | 19:42 |
| lcuk | dr34m, that may be a little harder then, the size of lots of application build dependencies beomes prohibatively high | 19:43 |
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| lcuk | install scratchbox or download one of the vmware images | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so bme is enabling boost mode for very short period of time | 19:44 |
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| dr34m | oke | 19:44 |
| FredrIQ | can i get rid of the "warning, program doesn't come from nokia!!11"? | 19:44 |
| alterego | FredrIQ: you find it that annoying? Well, you could install everything from the commandline instead :) | 19:45 |
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| FredrIQ | yes | 19:45 |
| FredrIQ | i often do | 19:45 |
| alterego | Meh, | 19:46 |
| FredrIQ | the exception is when i got the update msg | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I don't exactly decode that gibberish, sorry | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | 0x01 - register address | 19:46 |
| FredrIQ | but well, i can use bash for that as well. :) | 19:46 |
| FredrIQ | just wondered | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | 2nd number is what BME has wrote to that address | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | (that happened after i unplugged cable from computer) | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (p6) duh, good finding. Yes you're right | 19:48 |
| FredrIQ | dpkg: error processing mksh (--remove): | 19:48 |
| FredrIQ | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127 | 19:48 |
| FredrIQ | i don't really know when and why i installed mksh, but i've tried to get rid of it several times | 19:49 |
| FredrIQ | why does it fail? | 19:49 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like bme might have some code to support host mode already there | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | so it might be just matter of talking to bme to enable power part of it | 19:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | BME just constantly resets the charger mode | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | it does not ever enable hostmode | 19:51 |
| FredrIQ | Hm | 19:51 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: indeed, BME so far as I can tell functions as a battery/charge/power monitor and watchdog | 19:52 |
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| Ikarus | and because that involves the USB bus on a N900 we get into a fight with it | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, i just saw it switching charger to boost mode | 19:52 |
| FredrIQ | Hm | 19:53 |
| FredrIQ | interesting | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Under what conditions? | 19:53 |
| FredrIQ | None of the files in the deb (checked with dpkg -L mksh) seems to exists, but mksh think it's installed | 19:53 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i've disconnected usb cable from computer | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | For it to be doing that is an extremely serious bug. | 19:53 |
| FredrIQ | How can i get rid of that? | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never seen it touch boost mode. | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and bme switched charger to low Z boost mode | 19:54 |
| b-man|laptop | has anyone worked on reverse engineering bme? | 19:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | and then high Z | 19:54 |
| jacekowski | and then back to charger mode | 19:54 |
| b-man|laptop | SpeedEvil: who? | 19:54 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: if you have gdb installed on your phone i can give you gdb commands that print whatever bme is doing to charger | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall a high and low z boost mode. | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/BTUKyFaw | 19:56 |
| jacekowski | just start that | 19:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - right | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | and just after cable is unplugged it sends 0x004d then 0x004f and then 0x004e to register 0x01 | 19:57 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: there is a single boost mode on the charger chip from the docs I read and a boost on the TWL4030 lacks a capacitor to use it and it only supplies 100mA (the charger IC one provides 200mA | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | and you have about 10-15s between attach and cont | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | otherwise bme will go berserk and think that battery is dead | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | and will shut down your phone | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jacekowski: refer to table2 | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | if it's paused for too long | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | p20 | 19:59 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: BME shuts down the machine in ALOT of conditions :) | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | table 6 in my datasheet | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | High impedence mode is not related to boost | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (in bq24150) | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: when I say table2, page 20 then I mean that | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes it is | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: see table2, p20 | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Table 2. Operation Mode Summary | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | High Z mode can make it ignore boost bit - mask it - but there is no 'high Z boost mode' | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | OPA_MODE HZ_MODE OPERATION MODE | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, of course there's not | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, that's all very exciting for jrbme, but useless for h-e-n | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except maybe to explain non-reproducability and why it makes a diff whether you shut down bme prior to echo-foo or after | 20:04 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it is very important | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and very useless | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because it means has code to enable boost mode | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | how could we exploit that fact, or learn from it? what? | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | well it means it might have all code required to do host mode | 20:07 |
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| Ikarus | no it doesn't | 20:07 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: it has some stubs | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | Ikarus: how do you know? | 20:07 |
| Ikarus | originally Nokia planned to include hostmode | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bme is maximum unrelated to hostmode | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | well, it's related to power managment | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | as in "hostmode doesn't care about bme" | 20:08 |
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| Ikarus | but the TWL4030 didn't handle charging, so they switched to a external PHY the 1701A, which doesn't handle host mode, they took some short tries at it | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1707 | 20:08 |
| Ikarus | but because of USB licensing demands just slapped on a USB B plug and stopped | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | fact is that bme has code to enable power to usb port | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's exactly what I elaborated about several times :-D | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | how could we exploit that fact, or learn from it? what? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ^^^ | 20:09 |
| alterego | jacekowski: could be from N8x0 days? | 20:09 |
| jacekowski | so it might not be necessary to stop bme for host mode | 20:09 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: we actually expect that | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: maybe, if you tell us the magic incantation to bme, to make it constantly enable boost | 20:10 |
| jacekowski | yes, but nobody knows how to do it | 20:10 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: but that doesn't have anything to do with initially getting USB host mode to work | 20:10 |
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| jacekowski | at least not yet | 20:10 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: the BME is ONLY involved with power | 20:10 |
| Ikarus | which really is a secondary issue | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: exactly | 20:10 |
| Ikarus | jacekowski: the reason people are mucking with it so far is that having power on vbus helps crashing the OTG statemachine | 20:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: acctualy i think i have that magic incantation | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we got a reliable way to enable VBUS for arbitrary periods of time, so a null-issue | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that would be highly convenient, for later use. Please enlighten us | 20:12 |
| jacekowski | well, have was overstated | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: see, for now we are happy with "stop bme; do_i2c_foo__enable-boost" | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | sure | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | but it would be nice to have bme do it | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we'll continue to use that method until we sorted out ALL issues with host_mode, as that method is easy and well understood | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes, exactly | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's why I said | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that would be highly convenient, for later use. Please enlighten us | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hcm_: see above!! maybe bme interferes with what we're doing during the echo-madness, by pulsing VBUS? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | this could relate to the 32s timer which jacekowski found is rather unprecisely speced as "12..32s" | 20:16 |
| hcm_ | DocScrutinizer: today I won't try any further… I hope titan will reply to my mail, then I can start to really understand what sarahs kernel does.. | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hcm_: some of the echo cmds might change state of 1707 chrg_det, which in turn might cause this watchdog timer kick in at random mment while echo madness continues | 20:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Quick Q, does anyone have problems with osso-xterm? | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | whenever i close x terminal Memory usage rises to 50+ | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | free RAM becomes about 3MB | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | load becomes 10.00+ | 20:35 |
| alterego | Hahah | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | and the device hangs for 5 minutes | 20:36 |
| alterego | Interesting | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | (prolly because of swapping) | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | even mce doesn't detect the power button | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | tried reinstall osso-xterm and busybox | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd purge busybox but... | 20:36 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | /apps/osso/xterm in gconf | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the default value for scrollback? | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~mohammadag | 20:40 |
| infobot | hmm... mohammadag is special | 20:40 |
| * MohammadAG51 facesmacks | 20:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | defsult are a few 100 | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | i raised it to 90000000 last week for hostmode :/ | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA | 20:41 |
| cehteh | hehe | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | that solved it... | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG51 | explains why the clock was showing 10:30 when it was 13:30 | 20:42 |
| cehteh | anyone of you knows if compcache works in any of the community kernels . .and if, which one | 20:42 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 20:45 |
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| nidO | meh speaking of clocks, my device isnt obeying operator time like it should :< | 20:47 |
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| nidO | and seems to be maintaining it's time really *really* badly | 20:47 |
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| Dima202 | cool 111,111,111*111,111,111=12345678987654321 | 20:50 |
| nidO | works with any length of 1's too | 20:50 |
| Dima202 | I never knew that | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | you're not special | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~DocScrutinizer | 20:53 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 20:53 |
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| astruasdh | please, guys. I have a custom debian image "easy-chrooted". Everything works, but the audio, works. What is the trick to allow the audio to work inside the chroot? Do I need to install alsa, some pule library, etc ? | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 20:59 |
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| Dima202 | are there alternative servers to knots2? | 21:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, bored? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | tired rather | 21:04 |
| * MohammadAG51 backspaces his request | 21:04 | |
| * alterego tries to think of an application to write. | 21:04 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lasers!!! | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | port nautilus or gparted | 21:05 |
| * MohammadAG51 wonders if gparted would show /dev/mtd0 | 21:06 | |
| alterego | Heh | 21:06 |
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| muelli | hm. http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation reads that an upgrade from Maemo5-beta-SDK is not advised. How do I know whether I have the beta SDK? | 21:07 |
| astruasdh | is it possible to edit the initramfs? I'm wondering if it is possible to encrypt the root fs | 21:07 |
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| alterego | I kinda wanted to port the ubuntu usb live disk creator. :) | 21:10 |
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| * RST38h is modifying the Carbon theme | 21:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: could you point me into right direction on how to make a python script run as a xchat-N900 loaded script? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, press F1 :P | 21:12 |
| RST38h | DocS: I think the answer is "you cannot" at the moment | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: idi... :-P | 21:12 |
| RST38h | DocS: The reason being that I disabled Python support. Enabling Python support makes XChat depend on Python | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, RTFM | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: stfu | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, err, so? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, you're not supposed to teach 16 yos such words | 21:13 |
| cehteh | i once had the problem that some scripting language module (i think it was python) caused servered resource/cpu useage on my laptop | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so I could recompile/build it with python, and everything fine? | 21:13 |
| cehteh | dunno if thats fixed meanwhile | 21:13 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: So, if I enable Python support, everyone will have to install Python just to use XChat | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes DocScrutinizer :) | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, i can't see the problem with that :) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | DocS: More or less, as long as you are ok with what Python does to your mount table | 21:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: It already does that | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, I still don't see the problem :) | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's more than one pkg using python | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | most users already have python | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | ^ | 21:14 |
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| cehteh | you can make an extra package for xchat-python support? | 21:15 |
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| * cehteh didnt even install the extra locales | 21:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: well I thought so. | 21:15 |
| * RST38h does not have Python. Will install it once someone fixes the major fuckup that the current Python installation method is | 21:15 | |
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| cehteh | its just a .so | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: aiui the python interpreter is a plugin for xchat? | 21:15 |
| opdf2 | hmm anyone know why checking settings in the backup app would causes a Backup error? If I don't enable my settings to get backed up, the backup runs fine. | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, or a .so | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 21:16 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: but see above, i think you dont really want it resource-wise | 21:16 |
| * MohammadAG51 sshs into his scratchbox dir | 21:16 | |
| RST38h | cehteh: Possible. I have not looked into it deeply enough | 21:16 |
| cehteh | that was also a reason i made native modules in C | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I already *have* python | 21:16 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: what i saied that the xchat-python integration wastes a lot resources | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: depends | 21:17 |
| cehteh | every message xchat receives/sends is routed through that module and at least there was some big overhead with that | 21:17 |
| cehteh | maybe its fixed i never looked at it again | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the resources aka python are already there on your system, then the xchat implemeation overhead should be rather lightweight | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 21:18 |
| cehteh | it was not, i think thats a implementation problem of the module | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can live with that | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat isn't excatly a cpu hog | 21:18 |
| cehteh | but thats long ago and i am not absolutely sure if it was python (i disabled all other scripting langauges which fixed it) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it won't become one with python plugin | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | so.. what's easier | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1. add xchat support | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1. add python* support | 21:19 |
| cehteh | well on my laptop it did excessive wakeups .. not exactly cpu hog but no deeper sleep | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | 2. make someone learn C | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd say 1 | 21:19 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer knows C :) | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't want to use it for xchat "scripts" | 21:19 |
| cehteh | well and i opt for making the pyhton module and any other xchat plugin rather optional, this includes mine too, i just send it to RST38h because i am not packager | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, you want a python enabled package? :) | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | --disable-python | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | as those scripts I plan to implement in python are more like "config" rather than "lib" | 21:20 |
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| cehteh | like the xchat-extra-locales package .. why not xchat-python xchat-perl xchat-foo and so on | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, does the spell checker cause problems? | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ++ | 21:21 |
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| cehteh | (well, that puts the work on RST38h as packager :]) | 21:22 |
| cehteh | so i dont care | 21:22 |
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| skynets | hey | 21:25 |
| skynets | im running win7 x64 | 21:25 |
| skynets | trying to update maemo manually | 21:25 |
| skynets | installed virtual xp | 21:25 |
| skynets | suitable usb device not found waiting | 21:26 |
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| FIQ | i get wall of warnings on installing man, is this normal? | 21:26 |
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| FIQ | about symlink problems | 21:26 |
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| skynets | this is annoying | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIQ, man-db-n900? | 21:27 |
| FIQ | yep | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | if it's dangling symlinks ignore them | 21:27 |
| FIQ | yeah, that | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | too lazy to fix them, they don't cause issues though :P | 21:27 |
| FIQ | just wondered, as there were a LOTS of those warnings | 21:28 |
| skynets | MohammadAG51, i checked on the forums and xp mode doesnt even detect the phone after installing flasher in it | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIQ, i didn't have them in the older version of the pages but... oh well | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'll fix them tonight | 21:29 |
| FIQ | ok | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIQ, you shouldn't use apt-get! :P | 21:29 |
| FIQ | meh | 21:29 |
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| FIQ | i don't think maemo has yum/pacman. :) | 21:30 |
| skynets | it has assholes too | 21:30 |
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| penguinbait | anyone know where I file a bug report for diablo community SSU? | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | skynets, any problems? | 21:31 |
| skynets | yeah the n900 is a problem | 21:32 |
| skynets | im gonna throw it to the wall | 21:32 |
| skynets | sometimes "general failure" when i need the phone the most | 21:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:32 |
| skynets | i need to reflash it with win7 x64 | 21:33 |
| skynets | checked out the forums | 21:33 |
| skynets | not concrete solution aside from the ubuntu live cd | 21:33 |
| skynets | tried installing virtual pc mode | 21:33 |
| skynets | nothing | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd get a Damn Small Linux disc | 21:34 |
| skynets | reinstalled drivers | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | DSL | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | about 30MBs | 21:34 |
| skynets | really | 21:34 |
| skynets | im guessing its text based | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope | 21:34 |
| FIQ | no | 21:34 |
| skynets | ok | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | it has a GUI afaik | 21:34 |
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| FIQ | i think it run LXDE | 21:34 |
| FIQ | runs* | 21:34 |
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| FIQ | per default | 21:35 |
| skynets | cool thanks ill at that | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, thought it was XFCE4 | 21:35 |
| skynets | look into* | 21:35 |
| FIQ | hm | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | equally as light I guess | 21:35 |
| FIQ | well, i'm not completly sure | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | neither am I | 21:35 |
| skynets | so no windows 7 x64 solution | 21:35 |
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| crashanddie | fluxbox ftw | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | blame MS | 21:35 |
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| skynets | why cant nokia support its phones properly | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | blame MS | 21:35 |
| skynets | yeah but other phones work fine on win x64 | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | Flasher works on ubuntu x64 | 21:36 |
| pekuja | does anybody know of 3D engines with OpenGL ES 2 support? | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | skynets: what does it say on the box? | 21:36 |
| FIQ | awesome | 21:36 |
| crashanddie | skynets: requirements? As I recall, it says XP or Vista 32bit | 21:36 |
| FIQ | tested "man ls" just to test if man worked | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, other phones don't have a flasher-3.5 app | 21:36 |
| skynets | the same as on win 7... | 21:36 |
| skynets | suitable usb device not found waiting | 21:36 |
| FIQ | pager: applet not found | 21:36 |
| FIQ | man: kommandot avslutade med status 256: pager -s | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 21:37 |
| skynets | btw on win 7 the driver " Nokia N900 (update device)" cant be installed | 21:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Spell checker will coredump XChat when attaching to the text input widget | 21:37 |
| opdf2 | If I reflash, is emmc reflash necessary? | 21:37 |
| FIQ | translated: "man: the command terminated with status 256: pager -s" | 21:37 |
| crashanddie | opdf2: nope | 21:37 |
| skynets | windows tries to install it everytime | 21:37 |
| skynets | and always fails | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | skynets, try the troubleshooting section | 21:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: This appears to be caused by Nokia utterly breaking the text input widget | 21:37 |
| opdf2 | crashanddie: ty | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, what's libtool | 21:37 |
| skynets | MohammadAG51, where | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, flasher | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | there | 21:37 |
| infobot | i guess flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 21:37 |
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| skynets | i did | 21:38 |
| skynets | but thaqnks anyays | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=execute /usr/bin/glib-genmarshal --header --body marshallers.list > marshallers.h | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | skynets, then get a 32 bit OS :J | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | err | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | :)* | 21:38 |
| FIQ | any thoughts? | 21:38 |
| skynets | if i throw the n900 on the wall will it survive | 21:38 |
| GregoryRasputin | Yes | 21:38 |
| FIQ | if you're lucky | 21:39 |
| skynets | crap | 21:39 |
| GregoryRasputin | Throw it extra hard | 21:39 |
| FIQ | it will break | 21:39 |
| skynets | i need a reason to get rid of this | 21:39 |
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| FIQ | but it's not _that_ bad quality | 21:39 |
| FIQ | skynets, wash it! | 21:39 |
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| skynets | way* | 21:40 |
| skynets | yeah ill make a video | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | skynets, dump your OS | 21:40 |
| skynets | "N900 water test" | 21:40 |
| FIQ | ... :P | 21:40 |
| skynets | N900 waterproof test | 21:40 |
| skynets | put it on youtube | 21:40 |
| skynets | MohammadAG51, yeah i guess | 21:41 |
| skynets | alright thanks guys, btw check out Unthinkable with samuel l jackson. great movie! MohammadAG51 i'm sure ull like it too :D | 21:41 |
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| * MohammadAG51 wonders why you think that | 21:43 | |
| MohammadAG51 | grr | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, are there any missing build-depends? | 21:43 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: libtool is another crappy autotool | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: maybe mandb pkg needs a decent less? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | less? it's already packaged | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: oh yeah | 21:44 |
| FIQ | -bash: less: command not found | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIQ, install it | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get install less | 21:44 |
| FIQ | but it seemed to come with man | 21:44 |
| FIQ | whatever | 21:44 |
| FIQ | sure | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | really? | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, the build fails | 21:44 |
| FIQ | hmm | 21:45 |
| FIQ | less is installing now anyway | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | even the clean source (from devel) fails to build | 21:45 |
| opdf2 | should I take out sim during reflash? | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | libtool gave me shitloads of headache | 21:45 |
| FIQ | but why isn't it a dependicy? | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | opdf2, no reason to do that | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | FIQ, didn't know it was needed :) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: maybe because messybox has a lesser less | 21:45 |
| opdf2 | MohammadAG51: k ty | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | that too | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's the sdk man-db, just altered a bit | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | i guess coreutils has less installed | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | less is an separate pkg afaik | 21:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Missing filename ("less --help" for help) | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | in the sdk it's installed | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | nokia took it out of depends... | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, you need to set $PAGER correctly, then man will work | 21:47 |
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| Terje_ | What's wrong with "more"? | 21:47 |
| wall[e] | can't page up back? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox has a less linked to more, which in turn is messybox's brainfucked version of a pager | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | man works without fixing that | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | i guess the less package removes that link? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Terje_: more as of busybox can't scroll back or search for strings or anything | 21:49 |
| Terje_ | wall, then read well and try to remember. | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more retarded than msdos3.1's more | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that's even ok, as messybox never was intended to be used as an interactive shell, and more is the mother of all interactive commands | 21:50 |
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| Terje_ | DocScrutinizer, well, if all you want to do is read a manpage, more could be enough. If you want to search a manpage, I guess it's easier to just google the man page up with N900's browser. | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Terje_: It's been me who provided a nice alias for 'man' to invoke microb with the proper manpage. But as manpages tend to be needed when you got *problems* with your system, I'd rather refrain from relying on a connectivity-dependent man command | 21:54 |
| * FIQ changed his default shell to bash a while ago | 21:55 | |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: agreed | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: and that's basically what makes man cmd fail for you ;-P | 21:55 |
| FIQ | heh | 21:56 |
| FIQ | but it works now. :) | 21:56 |
| Terje_ | DocScrutinizer, didn't know of such an alias, but sounds like a good idea. :-) | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice :-) | 21:56 |
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| FIQ | brought some adventages like a better PS1, commands actually did work somewhat as they use to do on a computer and i could use sudo the normal way | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, got scratchbox installed? | 22:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - no reason you can't cache all the mans | 22:03 |
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| pupnik_ | what is real memory consumption of an idling n900 (roughly/min)? | 22:05 |
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| pupnik_ | say i have a game that needs 128MB. | 22:06 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | memory isn't per-minute | 22:07 |
| dannym | ... except when there is a leak somewhere O_o | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | XD | 22:07 |
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| dannym | I think pupnik means absolute free memory over time :) | 22:10 |
| dannym | pupnik_: or do you? :) | 22:10 |
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| astruasdh | In a chrooted debian image, I installed audacious pulse plugin and it worked. But the sound is stopping much often. Is there something to do? | 22:11 |
| LiraNuna | pupnik_, mine shows ~90MB of mem and less than 30MB swapped | 22:12 |
| * ShadowJK is pretty much always at 128M swap or more | 22:12 | |
| FIQ | Total: 1031964 375460 656504 | 22:13 |
| muelli | hm. what's the most recent SDK rootstrap tarball for scratchbox? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's wiki.maemo.or tech maintainer? (admin) | 22:15 |
| arachnist | hm | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | .org* | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | dneary? | 22:15 |
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| xDaReaperx | hi | 22:16 |
| arachnist | i tend to have more than one device capable of connecting to the internet and displaying a webpage reasonably around me | 22:16 |
| xDaReaperx | is the meego officially released for the n900? | 22:16 |
| arachnist | xDaReaperx: not yet | 22:16 |
| Ikarus | xDaReaperx: commercial supported, never | 22:16 |
| arachnist | xDaReaperx: and there's #meego for those questions | 22:17 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: X-Fade | 22:17 |
| xDaReaperx | when will be released then? | 22:17 |
| Ikarus | xDaReaperx: ask Intel and/or Nokia | 22:17 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 22:17 |
| xDaReaperx | intel is working too ? awesome | 22:17 |
| ShadowJK | I think "never" for comercial release | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: thanks. Is search in wiki known to be borked? are there plans to fix that? | 22:17 |
| Ikarus | xDaReaperx: Meego is Maemo + Moblin | 22:17 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm ok | 22:18 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: not known to be broken AFAIK | 22:18 |
| xDaReaperx | it will be free right? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?limit=50&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=speedevil&namespace=&year=&month=-1 | 22:18 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: bug? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: why doesn't wiki search yield any hits? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, that's why I ask for the maintainer :-) | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: ^^^ | 22:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, show me one manual contribution that should exist | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: err what? | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_USB&action=history | 22:20 |
| lcuk | ok i found | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 22:20 |
| lbt | lcuk: I searched for lbt... | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: clicking there to 'contrib' -> bug | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I used http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Software_BME&action=history | 22:21 |
| lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer - was just showing both sides of it | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither speedevil nor joerg_rw 'contrib' works as supposed | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'contribs' actually | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | also if you get a result list | 22:24 |
| lcuk | then requery | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd maybe open a ticket, if I knew where and which category | 22:25 |
| lcuk | the original list returns, does that indicate the page download redownloaded, or the submit was cancelled | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you lost me | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | first of all I never get a result list | 22:26 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:26 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, change the tickbox for "Show contributions of new accounts only" | 22:26 |
| lcuk | and get the list of results | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, now it worked | 22:26 |
| lcuk | then change it back to speedevil and submit again | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, no. that's been your suggestion | 22:27 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=maemo.org%20Website | 22:27 |
| lcuk | and in the component on the resulting bug page, select wiki | 22:28 |
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| astruasdh | uhulll finally! | 22:29 |
| LiraNuna | so apparently Sprint's 4G is WiMAX | 22:32 |
| LiraNuna | is it operating on the same freq as the N810WE? | 22:32 |
| smoku | which GFX backend should I choose for my port - SDL or plain GTK+ ? | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | smoku: Qt | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ncurses | 22:34 |
| smoku | are there any advantages of any? | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | smoku: Qt is ideal | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | GTK is ugly, slow, and sucks in general | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810#Nokia_N810_WiMAX_Edition it was *designed* for Sprint's WiMAX | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | no idea if that's the same WiMAX they offer as "4G" now | 22:36 |
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| LiraNuna | I know Nokia stopped supporting N810WE now, but I still have the device | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: maybe I lst my brain :-/ ""To file this bug, you must first choose a component. If necessary, just guess. Please press Back and try again."" -> back -> no field to select component?? | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | obviously it won't failover to 3G if there's no 4G | 22:37 |
| LiraNuna | luke-jr, sadly | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | LiraNuna: I'm not certain that anyone is actively working on N810WE support long-term either | 22:37 |
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| LiraNuna | luke-jr, I know | 22:37 |
| LiraNuna | at least I got N900 | 22:38 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you mustv, because ive got a big fat combobox here | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: my bad. only seen the "Product" label | 22:38 |
| xDaReaperx | why is the area under the battery icon become unclickable in portait mode ? | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38866 | 22:39 |
| xDaReaperx | its a bug i think | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: supposedly he got it to work | 22:39 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, *nod* but in general, its not easy to navigate bugtracker, in general a much more streamlined mechanism would be best | 22:39 |
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| LiraNuna | oh nice | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug #10573 | 22:40 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 wiki search fails to yield any hits | 22:40 |
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| smoku | aw crap... why am I waisting my time with you? | 22:41 |
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| satmd | waisting. | 22:42 |
| derf | He clearly didn't waste any time learning how to spell. | 22:42 |
| xDaReaperx | HEY there is another bug i found , the email widget when enabled , the configuration icon thingy is unclickable | 22:42 |
| derf | Also, think of all that time he saves not hitting the shift key. | 22:43 |
| muelli | hm. apt-get upgrade within the SDK complains about packets not being authenticated. But apt-get update worked flawlessly, i.e. it didn't complain about missing keys or anything. any hints as to how to fix that? | 22:43 |
| Mece_ | So I pushed Qlister to testing. | 22:43 |
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| Mece_ | if you feel like testing and voting, it's here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-3/ | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, voted for it | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: on history page the user name is linked to http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:speedevil&action=edit | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | action=edit seems quite insane | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:speedevil would be more what I'd expect to get when hitting the name | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (without the &action=edit part) | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, indeed | 22:51 |
| lcuk | post it as an additional on the bug perhaps? | 22:51 |
| lcuk | or a totally new bug | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really can't be bothered to open even another ticket for that ;-P | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | addition (footnote) might be appropriate | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | done | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, hopefully if theres a change required on the same page they can be dealt with together if required | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a new ticket also should have pleased my karma, but I actually don't care | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | haha | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | we confirmed today that tracy is officially the better photographer | 22:59 |
| lcuk | we both had n900s on holiday and for some reason all mine came out blurry and hers were nice and sharp | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | whoever that is | 22:59 |
| derf | Mrs. lcuk. | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 22:59 |
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| lcuk | i wanted to blame it on tech but with same hardware theres just no competition | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | better handling of pre-shoot autofocus? | 23:00 |
| alterego | Heh, | 23:00 |
| b-man|laptop | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png :) | 23:01 |
| alterego | I've been extremely happy with images I've taken :) | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i kill the damn browser | 23:01 |
| GregoryRasputin | Men naturaly have shaky hands - due to masturbation - thus resulting in a flawed image | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | nvm it worked | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: with a javelin | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, yeah that worked | 23:01 |
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| keesj | the sound stopped going to my headphone when plugged in. it happen after i enabled the fm transmitter while the headphone was connected. is there a fix for this? reboot doesn't help | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | keesj, o_O | 23:02 |
| keesj | but kernel does show events that the headphone is plugged | 23:02 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm you can't FM transmit and hear to the song right ? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | keesj: fmtx and headphones are mutually exclusive | 23:02 |
| * SpeedEvil adds to the bug. 'I agree I should be credited with all edits on the wiki, this should do wonders for my karma'. | 23:03 | |
| lcuk | keesj, battery pop? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you should be credited with nurturing a well read page anyway :) | 23:03 |
| lcuk | editing percentage vs views of the page :D | 23:04 |
| keesj | i will try a battery pop. in only powered down | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, unless you use an external FMTX, in which case one is a subset of the other | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yes, captain obvious :-D | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | :D | 23:05 |
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| luke-jr | [15:02:55] <DocScrutinizer> keesj: fmtx and headphones are mutually exclusive | 23:06 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: WHY? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: fmtx must shut down when cable is attached, to meet max tx power regulations | 23:07 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, power output regulations and inteference i heard | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui the system tries to enforce this | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so a headphone would "accidentally" become an antenna? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | nice | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | open code, so I can bypass it when I form my own country? | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:08 |
| keesj | battery pop did not help. | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | :D | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | anyone use it for "pirate radio"? | 23:08 |
| lcuk | balls | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | balls is a person? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a max output of maybe uW it could get hard to reach a wider audience | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | aww | 23:09 |
| lcuk | no its a reaction to keesjs post | 23:09 |
| luke-jr | so just strong enough to be illegal, and not strong enough to be useful? :/ | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | oh well | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: exactly | 23:10 |
| lcuk | its totally useful in the car | 23:10 |
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| luke-jr | guess that's a good defense for Nokia ;) | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | "sure, they could remove the restriction, but *there'd be no point*" | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: sure, but that's legal :) | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | can you tx and rx at same time? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | on different channels? | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | or you received what you transmitted? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | though rx allegedly does NOT work WITHOUT headphones | 23:11 |
| lcuk | keesj, do the headphones still work? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: #2 | 23:12 |
| lcuk | and does it stop normal speaker volume when you plug in | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | meh, kinda useless exercise then | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: confirmed the TX is working | 23:12 |
| * luke-jr wonders why software-defined radio isn't implemented more | 23:12 | |
| keesj | lcuk: I do get kernel messages when it's unplugged and plugged and the sound stops when it gets unplugged | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | too power greedy | 23:13 |
| opdf2 | Does the N900 turn off once emmc is done flashing? | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | ah | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | FMTX does not need to shut down when stuff is connected. | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | opdf2, it should stay in flashing mode | 23:13 |
| lcuk | opdf2, depends on the setting you passed to flasher | 23:13 |
| opdf2 | -R i have | 23:13 |
| lcuk | -R reboots afaik | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | FMTX needs to reduce power when USB (host or computer) or headset/composite cable is plugged | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: even for the DSP? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: depending on the -R parameter it either reboots or stays in flashing mode until batery empty | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 - | 23:14 |
| povbot` | Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected | 23:14 |
| opdf2 | So can I unplug USB now, yellow light steady blinking | 23:14 |
| keesj | What happend is that I did have the headphone connected. and i did pop a message that I first needed to remove the headphone but that's all | 23:14 |
| opdf2 | I flashed FIASCO, no reboot, then emmc | 23:14 |
| lcuk | if the flasher says its done yeah | 23:14 |
| opdf2 | okay yes it says it is done, then NOKIA white screen then it is off | 23:14 |
| lcuk | opdf2, where did you store your backup? | 23:14 |
| opdf2 | so I can turn it on | 23:14 |
| opdf2 | I copied to my hard driove | 23:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's basically correct, but hard to evaluate how to do it right | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no, it's quite easy. | 23:15 |
| bernie | hello, I'm a newbie... what's cool for hackers on the N900? | 23:15 |
| keesj | and headphone still works (on a differenet pc). | 23:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Rent an emissions chamber. Quantify the maximum emissions from headset. Set limit appropriately. | 23:15 |
| jacekowski | bernie: if you want to be really cool, buy beagle board | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Repeat for USB charger and computer. | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you can't exactly tell how high's the gain of a random attached cable | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Sure. But you can reasonably say on the GUI 'Do not use other than nokia ... | 23:16 |
| keesj | lcuk: also the sounds keeps playing on the speakers so it is probably more a audiopath issue. | 23:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | At least from a regulatory compliance POV | 23:16 |
| yrrol | has anyone tried installing truecrypt5+ on their n8x0? | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | wouldn't a car charger also do the same? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for sure they don't care about such kinky usecase (for headset at least) | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | i.e boost the signal | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | yrrol: too slow | 23:17 |
| bernie | jacekowski: I've already got one :) | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes | 23:17 |
| yrrol | jacekowski, what is? | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | truecrypt | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: exactly | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: see my last comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 | 23:17 |
| povbot` | Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected | 23:17 |
| lcuk | keesj, :S i dunno | 23:17 |
| yrrol | truecrypt 4.3a works pretty well | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: not dealing with all plugged in cables the same way is a bug. | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | Oh hey, anyone looked into modifying the fmtx driver in the kernel, to support automatic findfreefrequency stuff that the chip supports? | 23:17 |
| yrrol | good enough | 23:17 |
| keesj | I hope it's not a gconf configuuration because that's the kind of thing I will never find | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | then he joined college and discovered girls | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | er. | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I vaguely recall it's in there. But it's not implemnted in the middleware | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, iirc I didn't find it in the driver | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: what that would do? | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: K | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | lol Stskeeps | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the FM TX can rapidly asses frequencies to see if they are free | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, the chip can scan all frequencies and automatically pick the one that has least noise | 23:19 |
| bernie | after 2 days I'm already bored with the stability of Maemo 5... can I track a development release? | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, thanks to the RDS, your car radio would automatically follow | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | it would be nice thing to have | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | as long as your radio receiver supports RDS, of course | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you'd need to turn off the transmitter for that time of course | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | well, it's i2c connected | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | while scanning | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly | 23:20 |
| keesj | what should happen if I plug the headphone after enabling the fm-transmitter :p | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so it's vastly useless feature during operation | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil haha http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | :D | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:21 |
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| Appiah | oh my | 23:22 |
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| yrrol | could messing with the libstdc++.so.6 file mess up a (n8x0) device? (linking to a newer libstdc++.so.6.0.9 for instance) | 23:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | I'm a smartass | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; no, it's not | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: user starts 'enable FM tx' application | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | Hello hello | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not "during" | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | What is the big news this beautiful Saturday? :) | 23:23 |
| keesj | on my device the FM keeps transmitting | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | App presents the normal freq selection dialog - with a greyed 'show free frequency' box. | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | on mine it just works | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | During this time it's scanning. Box ungreys when it's found free channels. | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: perfect, implement it :-D | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | hi MohammadAG51 | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG51: Did you see a problem with the screen lock freezing up from time to time due to the PR 1.2 update? | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I hope that guy electrocutes himself :D | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, what guy, that's how I charge :D | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, *facepalm* :) | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: that's how i use my laptop while driving | 23:26 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: except i have bigger inverter | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, actually, the shock isn't all that bad | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't interest me much, I would need a small amount of cash. | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | is that 120V? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | i removed the charger and touched the metal part | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | 240V | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, small = 1? | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Small = $150 or so. | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | i would recommend finding a job | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | and stopping to live off taxpayers money | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | or putting up a donations button | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: curse you, you're spoiling the devel market ;-P | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | that still would be living off taxpayers money | 23:27 |
| astruasdh | where can I find some example of telepathy for handling calls? | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's 500+ of us here | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: forget it | 23:28 |
| xim_ | anyone get evopedia working with a dump? I cant get the evopedia program to select the dump directory, after I extract the dump, and navigate to the folder in evopedia, it just looks inside the folder for some file it isnt finding | 23:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I was just stating the obvious | 23:28 |
| xim_ | not than any file is really missing, i just cant get it to select the directory rather than navigating inside it | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: never worked for any project I've seen doing that | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | Anything new cool app for the N900? | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I have perhaps an hour or two a day that I'm actually functional and productive. | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, doing what | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | I was eagerly looking for the "LED pattern" or something similar program | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: donation button | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Which makes job problematic. | 23:30 |
| lcuk | bernie, there isnt a dev release at present | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, well, if someone appreciates your work then... | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: to do what? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | where specifically are you having problems | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: no | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I'm just saying... | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: to change the LED pattern on missed calls and missed SMS, charging etc. | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: easy | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I saw it on a Youtube video, not sure though where to find it and if it is stable | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | just edit mce.ini | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: oh, it is easy? :) | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | mce-pattern-editor | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | Cool | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mceledpattern/1.0.0/ | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | err - not that one | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | I hate to have the blue light blinking when I have both missed calls and SMS | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | Prefer to have different ones | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/led-pattern-editor/0.0.3-1/ | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | that one | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | edit mce.ini | 23:31 |
| DrGrov | thanks SpeedEvil | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | MohammadAG: ok, i will edit mce.ini. gotta get gainroot first | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | The LED pattern editor is quite nice though. | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - everyone! Please test stuff in extras-testing! http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | thumb it up or down if it works, does not use too much power, or doesn't have one of the blockers at http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist | 23:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you get karma for testing! | 23:36 |
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| alterego | Do you think karma even matters anymore? :P | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | just ask DocScrutinizer | 23:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh btw, did I mention alarmed now does presets in the command execution? I wrote it a while ago and totally forgot that it's in the latest version :) | 23:39 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'm also quite pleased with the way the setting/choosing of presets is done. it's very straight forward. | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, in all seriousness, it's an effective method of showing how much you've contributed | 23:40 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: yeah, I know :P | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you want to tell me you adopted my suggestions and like them? | 23:41 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well presets are no doubt a good idea :) | 23:42 |
| FIQ | libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh, even the CLI is supposed to support them now. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (karma) no it's not really | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | new options and all | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: great :-) | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: funny thing is I anticipated that maybe a week or 2 ago, when I told somebody here "use alarmed, it does all you need (execute scripts etc), it even has a cron like cli interface" | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I just improved the list layout. No more sideways scrolling and stuff. building the package now. | 23:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, no? | 23:47 |
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| walzi | hallo | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: no. There's reports of fsckng karma whore noobs thumbing down apps just for rising their karma. Also somebody adding a lot of noise to tmo shouln't get a karma reward for that | 23:48 |
| walzi | i need some information and help | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, well you have to tie your accounts for that to happen, i doubt noobs do that | 23:49 |
| walzi | how can i install python2.5-minimal on my n900? | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: no idea. just saying karma is a rather fuzzy meter for any quality that matters | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | boozetime | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 23:51 |
| Shapeshifter | prost | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | cya DocScrutinizer | 23:52 |
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| satmd | anyone tried to export gps via bluetooth yet? | 23:53 |
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| satmd | I've not been much successful on the web | 23:54 |
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| luke-jr | satmd: check OpenMoko's wiki | 23:55 |
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