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| Dantonic | how do I install PR1.2 from ubuntu? | 00:01 |
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| Dantonic | is there an installer application? | 00:01 |
| sandstorm | been 215 megabytes and NSU is still dling pr1.2 | 00:01 |
| andre___ | Dantonic, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:01 |
| andre___ | Dantonic: but normally you don't need to reflash. no on-the-fly update possible? | 00:02 |
| Dantonic | won't let me | 00:02 |
| Dantonic | says I have to do it through the installer | 00:02 |
| Dantonic | are you able to visit the wiki? for some reason I can only visit the "talk" area of maemo.org | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | been try to get there all morning the wiki that is | 00:03 |
| andre___ | uhm. I recommend a data backup in that case | 00:03 |
| andre___ | wiki works here | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | damn it! | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | this sucks! | 00:03 |
| sandstorm | works here as well | 00:03 |
| sandstorm | try viewing it over vtunnel.com | 00:04 |
| tuliobaars | Hey people, is it real? it can't, huh? a N900 for 285Bucks! | 00:04 |
| tuliobaars | http://bnnshop.com/proView.php?proid=341 | 00:04 |
| sandstorm | I doubt it is | 00:04 |
| DrGrov | hello hello guys and girls | 00:04 |
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| tuliobaars | yep, but... i wanna try... | 00:05 |
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| tuliobaars | a n900 for 285...it sounds like a dream | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | CGI Error | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | No response from wiki.maemo.org:80 | 00:05 |
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| Dantonic | thats from vtunnel | 00:05 |
| sandstorm | hmm | 00:05 |
| sandstorm | so it means | 00:06 |
| andre___ | tuliobaars: ROFL. with typos in their webpage, like "Detials". that looks veeeery serious ;-) | 00:06 |
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| sandstorm | theres a server thingie going on | 00:06 |
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| tuliobaars | sorry, andree? | 00:06 |
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| Dantonic | :( | 00:06 |
| tuliobaars | what's ROFL? | 00:06 |
| andre___ | ROFL = a good laugh. | 00:06 |
| sandstorm | :) | 00:06 |
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| Dantonic | Rolling On Floor Laughing.... ROFL | 00:07 |
| sandstorm | like LOL | 00:07 |
| dotblank | odd.. i seem to get a better signal in pr 1.2 | 00:07 |
| tuliobaars | oooh, thanks | 00:07 |
| tuliobaars | ok, i got it | 00:07 |
| asj_ | ROFL is lauding way harder than LOL | 00:07 |
| sandstorm | better signal from wifi ? | 00:07 |
| dotblank | I never get 3g at my house and after the update I'm always getting it | 00:07 |
| sandstorm | or gsm line ? | 00:08 |
| andre___ | tuliobaars: as many typos as they have on their website I have problems to imagine that it's a serious company. plus what does "Brand: Nikon" mean? looks not trust-worthy at all to me | 00:08 |
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| Dantonic | finally made it to the wiki | 00:08 |
| sandstorm | hmm interesting point | 00:08 |
| tuliobaars | whats typos? Brand: Nikon...why? | 00:08 |
| dotblank | unless tmo upgraded my cell tower right when i flashed my device...I think i can attribute the enhancement to pr 1.2 | 00:08 |
| sandstorm | anyone experienced any significant battery life change comparing pr1.1.1 and pr1.2 ? | 00:09 |
| dotblank | yes | 00:09 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: yes | 00:09 |
| sandstorm | in a good way or bad ? | 00:09 |
| tuliobaars | ohh, now i saw...brand nikon | 00:09 |
| tuliobaars | but, what is typos? | 00:09 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: good, I saw a large increase. subjective though | 00:09 |
| DrGrov | yes, battery life is better right? | 00:09 |
| sandstorm | hmm | 00:09 |
| andre___ | tuliobaars, typo = wrong spelling of words | 00:09 |
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| tuliobaars | ah, thanks... | 00:09 |
| sandstorm | so maybe its the best news I've heard about pr1.2 | 00:09 |
| dotblank | works great with my grooveshark app :) | 00:10 |
| sandstorm | because over than it's a very handful device, longer battery life makes it better with its cellphone function :) | 00:10 |
| tuliobaars | should i buy it? i'm dying for a N900... | 00:10 |
| dotblank | tuliobaars, do you like linux? | 00:10 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: I was web browsing this morning and it seemed faster too | 00:10 |
| tuliobaars | a lot | 00:11 |
| tuliobaars | i have an n810 and trying to install xubunntu! | 00:11 |
| sandstorm | asj_: good news keep coming :) | 00:11 |
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| Dantonic | lol | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | wtf! | 00:11 |
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| pupnik | nothing would replace a n900 except a n810 plus cell-model | 00:11 |
| tuliobaars | Xubuntu? | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | won't work for 64 bit? | 00:11 |
| pupnik | modem | 00:11 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: it's way less buggy than the prerelease I had access too. :) | 00:11 |
| dotblank | tuliobaars, do you like ssh access to your phone and spending many hours tinkering with the device and constantly having to re-flash it becuase you contantly mess up? | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | I have 9.10 but it's 64 bit | 00:11 |
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| sandstorm | asj_: 282 megabytes and going up, can't wait it coming :) | 00:12 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: it's a ~170 meg image.... | 00:12 |
| tuliobaars | i never had connect my n810 by ssh, (i don't know how to, and yes...reflash at least 1 time per month | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | well whatever | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | not gonna be able to do this today | 00:13 |
| sandstorm | it probably also dling nokia pc suite and updater updates as well :) | 00:13 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: oh god, Ovi Suite here you come... | 00:13 |
| sandstorm | Ovi Suite compatibility ? | 00:13 |
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| asj_ | sandstorm: sadly video calling I don't think works well, it's too dark. To "hide" the front camera I think it's smoked so dark no light gets through... | 00:14 |
| kirma | any idea if message sound could be disabled for group chats and left on for one-to-one chats? | 00:14 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: which isn't pr1.2 fault ;) | 00:14 |
| sandstorm | hmm | 00:14 |
| sandstorm | is Ovi Suite compatible with pr1.2 ? | 00:14 |
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| asj_ | sandstorm: no clue, it breaks to many things for me so I don't install it | 00:14 |
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| sandstorm | ah that would be a killer news | 00:15 |
| sandstorm | if it was so :D | 00:15 |
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| pupnik | asj, better than transmitting pure noise | 00:15 |
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| asj_ | sandstorm: I'm relatively pleased with pr1.2 tbh, I have a few problems, but I also changed devices at the same time so <shrug> | 00:16 |
| zChris | Hey how is the community for maemo? Big? Productive? :) | 00:16 |
| sandstorm | hmm I wonder what NSU is dling, its 310 mbs and going up.. | 00:16 |
| zChris | Im wondering if its "worth" getting a N900 or if you should wait | 00:16 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: the 1.7gig emmc ;) | 00:16 |
| asj_ | zChris: wait for what? | 00:16 |
| sandstorm | asj_: what kind of problems? personal ones or general ones ? | 00:17 |
| zChris | asj_: Either wait for MeeGo or get an Android or Iphone(not likekly) | 00:17 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: Nokia Messaging is broken for me | 00:17 |
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| sandstorm | asj_: ah is that for SMSing ? never used Nokia Messaging before. | 00:18 |
| asj_ | zChris: I wouldn't hold your breath on meego from nokia | 00:18 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: no, email | 00:18 |
| sandstorm | hmm | 00:18 |
| zChris | asj_: Reason being? :) | 00:18 |
| asj_ | zChris: you would die waiting? | 00:18 |
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| zChris | Now we dont want that :) | 00:18 |
| sandstorm | asj_: is it because your e-mail provider? | 00:19 |
| asj_ | though I think the world record is like 30 minutes so that's not saying much | 00:19 |
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| tuliobaars | please, visit my NIT Blog and rate it: http://ttablet.blogspot.com | 00:19 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: email provider has imap, but Nokia Messaging gives you push notificiation speeds, low bw | 00:20 |
| tuliobaars | so, is it good? i know that need more posts, but, whatever... | 00:20 |
| sandstorm | asj_: hmm, tried thunderbird if it's available for maemo ? | 00:20 |
| zChris | Now is maemo community big? | 00:21 |
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| zChris | :) Perhaps its a stupid question | 00:21 |
| lcuk | anyone know where the Qtablet source is hiding - the one that seemed to work well on n810 | 00:21 |
| tuliobaars | the blog?.... | 00:21 |
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| tuliobaars | i think you don't like it.... | 00:21 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: I can't stand thunderbird on linux... ;) | 00:22 |
| tuliobaars | OK. Now i'm sure! | 00:22 |
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| tuliobaars | last time: Anybody enterded on it? | 00:24 |
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| pupnik | i checked it out tuliobaars | 00:24 |
| tuliobaars | ohh, thak you! | 00:24 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: around? :) | 00:24 |
| tuliobaars | the only one! | 00:24 |
| tuliobaars | byebye | 00:24 |
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| sandstorm | asj_: I see, btw I got 356 mbs and still going up, I really wonder what it is, maybe the image is this big or I miss something. | 00:25 |
| asj_ | sandstorm: you're in the states? you have unlim bw no | 00:25 |
| asj_ | ? | 00:25 |
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| sandstorm | asj_: not in states, but I have unlimited bandwidth | 00:26 |
| sandstorm | I had some maps from Ovi, can it be them maybe? | 00:26 |
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| sandstorm | it says: Downloading a new version of Nokia Software Updater.. still :| | 00:27 |
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| TheFaioli | Newbie question: If I use apt-get install pkgname, why isn't pkgname being listed as installed in pkg_config --list-all ? | 00:28 |
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| TheFaioli | (scratchbox) | 00:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh | 00:30 |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder why i just received an SMS from a random number stating: "mobile-login: 1234567" the numbers forming some sort of password. | 00:30 |
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| KenYoung | Are other people seeing extremely sluggish response times from the maemo.org site? | 00:31 |
| jaska | wiki.maemo.org atleast | 00:31 |
| TheFaioli | Shapeshifter: [guessing] a program which has a "continue on mobile" option, into which the user entered your mobile number by mistake. | 00:32 |
| TheFaioli | maemo.org times out on me. | 00:32 |
| zChris | same here | 00:32 |
| sp3000 | TheFaioli: if it's a -dev package that installs a .pc file somewhere useful it should -- of course the name isn't necessarily an exact match | 00:32 |
| Hariainm | hello! can anybody answering me a question? reflashing the N900 keeps your contacts and messages, but what about the calling log? | 00:33 |
| TheFaioli | sp3000: I use grep... no match... | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | TheFaioli, not all packages supply pkg_config config files | 00:34 |
| CLabel | i just tested webgl with pr1.2 | 00:34 |
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| TheFaioli | lcuk: Can I add it manually? | 00:36 |
| lcuk | well which package is it for? | 00:36 |
| lcuk | perhaps you could create them a .pc config file | 00:36 |
| lcuk | and file a bug adding that as a patch | 00:37 |
| lcuk | and helping explain where its meant to go and how it helps other devs using the lib | 00:37 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:37 |
| guysoft42 | no meego for N810 right? | 00:37 |
| TheFaioli | I'm trying to build conboy and it checks for several missing libs, which I managed to apt-get from the extras... and then it went on complaining :-) | 00:37 |
| sandstorm | Nokia Update is at 440 mbs and still downloading something :| | 00:38 |
| TheFaioli | lcuk: ! | 00:38 |
| TheFaioli | gotcha. | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | TheFaioli, if you were finding missing libs trying to build it | 00:39 |
| lcuk | apt-get build-dep [thingyouwanttobuild] | 00:39 |
| lcuk | it should bring in everything the developer remembered he needs for you to rebuild his program | 00:40 |
| lcuk | if the app has made it to extras-devel, the chances are this should work | 00:40 |
| lcuk | because its used by the autobuilder ;) | 00:40 |
| TheFaioli | I need to add extras-devel to the sources.lst then | 00:40 |
| alterego | Has anyone wrote a service which updates your IM status to what you're currently listening to? | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | alterego, not as far as I know. | 00:41 |
| lcuk | TheFaioli, potentially, it should work same for -testing or proper extras too | 00:41 |
| DrGrov | I am having issues to get Conversations Inbox widget to be properly displayed. | 00:41 |
| lcuk | since promotion usually handles deps | 00:42 |
| alterego | GAN900: cool, because I'm just hacking one together now ^.^ | 00:42 |
| TheFaioli | Proper extras were a no-go, it needs a -devel dependency. | 00:42 |
| DrGrov | I tried to activate it, nothing happened so I removed it from Program manager and then installed it again but it doesn't show up at all. I rebooted as well just in case but still nothing visible of the Conversations Inbox widget. Anyone got any clues to why? | 00:42 |
| lcuk | ok TheFaioli reasonable enough | 00:42 |
| DrGrov | It is not being displayed in the 'Add widget' box.... | 00:43 |
| sandstorm | anybody know how many mbs does pr1.2 image take ? | 00:43 |
| DrGrov | Anyone got any clues at all about the Conversations Inbox widget not showing up at all? | 00:44 |
| TheFaioli | Hm, can't add extras-devel? Can't access keyring no such file or directory... | 00:44 |
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| Macer | droid incredible? is that like an iphone gsXtreme 4G ? | 00:45 |
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| TheFaioli | ah! | 00:46 |
| TheFaioli | eureka! | 00:46 |
| TheFaioli | Only apt-get update doesn't work, but build-dep does. Thanks! | 00:46 |
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| Macer | i need to hook my n900 up to a win pc and update this thing | 00:47 |
| Macer | blah | 00:47 |
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| TheFaioli | So, apparently no need to file a .pc file bugfix in this case. | 00:49 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping | 00:50 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | It is mighty strange | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | The Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget is showing now in the 'Add wiget' menu once I removed it.... | 00:52 |
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| Macer | cuddy is gettig married | 00:56 |
| wazd | can anybody please point me at PR 1.2 theme template please if it exists? :) | 00:56 |
| Macer | poor broken hearted house | 00:56 |
| Macer | is 1.2 a major update? | 00:56 |
| lcuk | wazd, konttori_work or andrewfblack owuld be best to ask | 00:56 |
| Macer | i mean is it a noticable difference ? | 00:57 |
| lcuk | yes, it includes many bugfixes and speedups and optimisations and tweaks for usability | 00:57 |
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| Macer | im pondering the fact that i have to drag a monitor to the one win box i have to upgrade | 00:57 |
| alterego | Is there a python method for converting encoded names for dbus objects? | 00:57 |
| alterego | like foo_2dbar ? | 00:58 |
| alterego | Where _2d gets replaced with it's proper character? | 00:58 |
| lcuk | alterego, specialist, google would know better | 00:58 |
| Macer | blah... let me dig up my netbook | 00:58 |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah, I was simultaneously googling, just wondering as maemo is very dbus centric whether anyone here would have come across it ;) | 00:59 |
| lcuk | sure | 00:59 |
| MarLawN | ok, 1.2 here, something fannoying, if you're on a skype call (no video) you can't take a picture with the 5M pixel camera (on the back). | 01:00 |
| alterego | lcuk: I can't even be bothered now, just gonna write my own ^.^ | 01:00 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:00 |
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| alterego | Nothing came up after the first couple of searches. | 01:01 |
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| sandstorm | okay, I am starting to become suspicious, Nokia Software Updater started updating itself and it has downloaded 600 mbs so far and keep going, is it normal ? | 01:05 |
| alterego | Heh, 600 ... | 01:05 |
| alterego | Erm .. | 01:05 |
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| alterego | I don't think that's normal, but I don't use windows. | 01:05 |
| sandstorm | I wonder how I can figure out whats going on | 01:06 |
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| loufoque_ | ~flashing | 01:09 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 01:09 |
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| sandstorm | I doubt flashing wiki has the proper info about the size | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Did you have lots of apps installed? | 01:11 |
| djkrikke | What do you guys think about this post http://my.opera.com/yodude/blog/how-to-overclock-the-n900-to-a-relatively-safe-r-800mhz ? | 01:12 |
| sandstorm | hm not really I just have 10-15 at max | 01:12 |
| sandstorm | and the device is plugged in right now | 01:12 |
| sandstorm | maybe thats why software updater dling so many files ? | 01:12 |
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| sandstorm | the biggest app I have is kmplayer with mplayer I guess | 01:13 |
| sandstorm | 650mbs and going up btw | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Speaking personally - ir depends djkrikke. | 01:13 |
| djkrikke | On what does it depend SpeedEvil ? | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | how long do you intend to keep your n900? | 01:14 |
| cehteh | can it be that the camera uses extensively much power? | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | 6 months, or 5 years? | 01:14 |
| djkrikke | SpeedEvil, wil it make such a big difference on lifetime? | 01:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: The camera uses a fair bit of power, yes. | 01:14 |
| sandstorm | in 5 years N900 will be a garbage | 01:14 |
| sandstorm | for sure | 01:14 |
| cehteh | i ran mbarcode before and on battery graph i have an almost vertical line downwards | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I have not run mbarcode to test. | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | however - it will use about backlight + CPUmax + camera | 01:15 |
| cehteh | yeah | 01:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which is ~600mA | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | so a battery life of ~2 hours | 01:16 |
| zChris | sandstorm: dont say that! Now you made me hesitate :P | 01:17 |
| dmj726 | ...Based on actual experience, I'd suggest a batter life of at least 3 when recording video. | 01:17 |
| sandstorm | sorry for that :O | 01:17 |
| zChris | On the other hand | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | dmj726: Recording video is somewhat lighter. | 01:17 |
| zChris | Atm i have a SEM p1i :) | 01:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | dmj726: The CPU isn't used all the time so much | 01:17 |
| dmj726 | well, it does need to display and encode the video | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | sandstorm: Speaking personally, I'm likely to be keeping it at least 3 years, unless it breaks. | 01:18 |
| dmj726 | ...but that's hopefully on the dsp | 01:18 |
| sandstorm | N900 is a beast atm so dont worry too much | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | dmj726: The encoding of the video is not done on the CPU | 01:18 |
| djkrikke | is the wiki really slow, or is it just me? | 01:18 |
| sandstorm | SpeedEvil makes sense, sir. | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | sandstorm: And replacing it if it breaks is not likely to happen. | 01:19 |
| sandstorm | at least 2 is more sensible though | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | So I'm very hesitant about overclocking. | 01:19 |
| sandstorm | same here | 01:19 |
| jaska | only thing id consider is undervolting, not sure how much that saves tho | 01:20 |
| sandstorm | and I see oc'ing useless for my usage | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | I keep loosing all my programs one after another | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | I lost the 2G/3G/Dual switcher from the status area | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | And I lost the WiFi Switcher. | 01:20 |
| DrGrov | WTF is happening? | 01:20 |
| sandstorm | dark side might be calling ? :) | 01:21 |
| djkrikke | DrGrov: you're officially doomed | 01:21 |
| djkrikke | the first n900 virus!! | 01:21 |
| djkrikke | ...not | 01:21 |
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| sandstorm | 700mbs omg... | 01:22 |
| DrGrov | at least after a reinstall of the 2G/3G/Dual switcher and WiFi Switcher and reboot later I got the items back | 01:22 |
| DrGrov | My heart can't take this stress | 01:22 |
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| alterego | lcuk: It's not pretty, but: http://pastie.org/980911 | 01:23 |
| alterego | I'm sure there's a better way of doing it :/ | 01:23 |
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| djkrikke | are there any tools yet too send text message from the computer? | 01:29 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | buzz.google.com doesn't support the n900 | 01:29 |
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| pigeon | what about that google buzz client? | 01:30 |
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| joker_89 | hi | 01:36 |
| joker_89 | anyone knows the SYNCML concepts? | 01:37 |
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| loufoque_ | I just upgraded by flashing the 1.2 UK image, but now 3G doesn't work anymore, I'm only on 2G | 01:37 |
| loufoque_ | I'm with vodafone | 01:37 |
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| cehteh | that will safe you some battery and a shitload of money :P | 01:42 |
| pupnik | mwheheh | 01:44 |
| pupnik | i am getting 2 4000mAh batteries | 01:44 |
| djkrikke | anyone else noticed that from 1.2 on, the browser scroll behavior changed? | 01:44 |
| pupnik | for ALL DAY computing | 01:44 |
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| djkrikke | pupnik: which ones? | 01:45 |
| pupnik | openpandora ones :P | 01:45 |
| reggna | loufoque_: If you have used the 2G/3G/Dual switcher, and left it on 2G when flashing, you will need to install it again to switch back. | 01:45 |
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| djkrikke | lol pupnik, do they work with the n900? | 01:46 |
| loufoque_ | reggna: shouldn't flashing reset everything!? | 01:46 |
| Dantonic | damn it is the website down? | 01:48 |
| pupnik | djkrikke: nope, but maybe they wikll work with meego | 01:48 |
| Dantonic | has anyone successfully installed PR 1.2 from Ubuntu? | 01:48 |
| djkrikke | Dantonic: it's really slow in here | 01:48 |
| reggna | Dantonic: I have, yes. | 01:49 |
| Dantonic | I just want to install 1.2 Sigh | 01:49 |
| Dantonic | what installer did you download? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | Dantonic, Ubuntu released PR1.2 as well? | 01:49 |
| Dantonic | oh do you have 32 bit ubuntu? | 01:49 |
| loufoque_ | Dantonic: I did | 01:49 |
| Dantonic | lcuk I just mean using ubuntu to flash the N900 | 01:49 |
| lcuk | 32b ubuntu + flasher works hppily from my thinkpad | 01:49 |
| Dantonic | ok I have 64bit and I cant install it | 01:50 |
| reggna | Dantonic: Yes, 32 bit, using flasher-3.5 and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 01:50 |
| Dantonic | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' | 01:50 |
| Dantonic | :( | 01:50 |
| reggna | lcuk: My thinkpad to. :) | 01:50 |
| Dantonic | any way around t? | 01:50 |
| Dantonic | it* | 01:50 |
| zChris | Are there any good adventure games for N900 ? | 01:50 |
| reggna | *o | 01:50 |
| lcuk | zChris, yeah, maemo | 01:50 |
| Dantonic | any way to install on 64 bit? | 01:50 |
| zChris | lcuk: hmm? | 01:50 |
| loufoque_ | how do you put the browser in portrait mode? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | people go raiding to level up | 01:51 |
| loufoque_ | ctrl+shift+O doesn't seem to work | 01:51 |
| DrGrov | Why does everything have to be such a PITA after the PR 1.2 upgrade? God damn this | 01:51 |
| lcuk | 12 man raids to make new widgets | 01:51 |
| zChris | Very helpfull. And VERY funny too lcuk | 01:51 |
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| lcuk | zChris, this channel is the MMORPG lobby ;) | 01:51 |
| loufoque_ | ok you need to select "enable rotation" in the settings | 01:52 |
| BCMM | loufoque_: yeah, they made a GUI for portrait mode now | 01:53 |
| BCMM | you even get a back button | 01:53 |
| BCMM | (talking of which, very glad there is a proper back button now) | 01:54 |
| djkrikke | they'd better fix the dropped call problem | 01:54 |
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| loufoque_ | how do I completely reset the phone? even after flashing it it still has my IM account settings | 01:55 |
| loufoque_ | and my contacts | 01:55 |
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| reggna | loufoque_: Maybe, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32993 ? | 01:56 |
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| loufoque_ | ok so I need to flash the eMMC as well | 01:58 |
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| Macer | wow this update is a pain | 02:03 |
| Macer | it has to reinstall all the apps | 02:03 |
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| Macer | is there bt kb support now? :) | 02:04 |
| Macer | something a little more... usable? | 02:04 |
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| pupnik | i could imagine going back to the ThinkOutside Stowaway | 02:05 |
| Macer | heh | 02:05 |
| Macer | my su8w isnt too bad | 02:05 |
| Macer | although it is more so meangt for an n95 | 02:05 |
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| zChris | It will be interesting too see if there will be an "standard" OS in the future | 02:06 |
| pupnik | yes, but third row is shifted too far to the left | 02:06 |
| pupnik | otherwise nice unit | 02:07 |
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| opdf2 | man youtube sucks on 1.2 | 02:13 |
| budfive | anybody know if there's a setting to adjust the direction of the volume rocker? Since PR1.2 it now works backwards in landscape mode (and correctly in portrait mode) | 02:13 |
| Macer | grr | 02:14 |
| Macer | damnit | 02:14 |
| Macer | bt kb stopped working after the update | 02:15 |
| pupnik | file bugs | 02:16 |
| Macer | now i have to go through the steps of getting it going | 02:16 |
| Macer | pupnik: it would more likely be an enhancement than a bug | 02:16 |
| Macer | too bad. my n810 worked with my NOKIA su8w | 02:16 |
| Macer | ;) | 02:17 |
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| Macer | i will fix it later i suppose | 02:17 |
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| Macer | let me see what the update gives me | 02:18 |
| pupnik | i am just going to never reboot | 02:18 |
| Macer | haha | 02:19 |
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| Macer | hm. no portrait media player | 02:19 |
| Macer | :( was hoping for that | 02:19 |
| Macer | feels more naturl than the landscape | 02:19 |
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| Macer | since the jack is on the "right" | 02:20 |
| pupnik | not a bad idea | 02:20 |
| pupnik | q | 02:21 |
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| Macer | portrait browsing works better :) | 02:28 |
| pupnik | wow .. why | 02:29 |
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| Macer | maybe not | 02:33 |
| Macer | no menu in portrait mode | 02:33 |
| Macer | heh | 02:33 |
| Macer | ah well.. bbl | 02:34 |
| pupnik | ttyl | 02:34 |
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| Macer | hey | 02:37 |
| Macer | is the fm transmitter an actual transmitter?? | 02:37 |
| Macer | like it sends out on an fm freq? | 02:38 |
| Macer | to play music in your car or something? | 02:38 |
| Termana | Macer, what else is an FM TRANSMITTER suppose to be? | 02:38 |
| djdm | Yes, it does | 02:38 |
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| Macer | heh | 02:38 |
| Macer | i just thought they got the word wrong ;) | 02:39 |
| djdm | Except your calls | 02:39 |
| Macer | fins :-P | 02:39 |
| Macer | wow thats awesome | 02:39 |
| Macer | this whole time i could have been using that! haha | 02:39 |
| djdm | No, I think they can write :) FM radio is fine too if you plug in some headphones for an antenna | 02:39 |
| Macer | haha | 02:39 |
| Macer | didnt say they couldnt write | 02:40 |
| pupnik | ymmv with interference | 02:40 |
| Macer | the word could have been confused in translation ;) | 02:40 |
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| djdm | My apologies :) | 02:40 |
| Macer | i saw "transmitter" and was like... no way | 02:40 |
| Macer | haha | 02:40 |
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| djdm | As a matter of fact, mine provided music for a party at my house last weekend (streaming from a DLNA server) | 02:42 |
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| Macer | well.. if they add easy bt kb support and cups and a portrait media player... it is win | 02:43 |
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| Macer | but i am not seeing a huge difference in 1.2 | 02:43 |
| Macer | im sure a lot under the hood has changed | 02:43 |
| pupnik | check changelog | 02:43 |
| djdm | I normally use the Media Player one-handed with no problems | 02:44 |
| Macer | djdm: yeah.. but the way you pull it out the pocket leaves a portrait mode desired | 02:44 |
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| Macer | jack is kind of in the way when landscape | 02:45 |
| Macer | pupnik: where is the changelog? | 02:46 |
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| Macer | internal error application web closed? | 02:46 |
| Macer | wtf? | 02:46 |
| Macer | maybe a fluke | 02:47 |
| Macer | why does it seem like microb is running sluggish? | 02:47 |
| asj | you're trying to load a web page with 534 flash apps? | 02:48 |
| pupnik | how did you update Macer | 02:48 |
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| Macer | pupnik: on a windows pc | 02:48 |
| Macer | with the nokia updater | 02:48 |
| Macer | then restored from a backup | 02:48 |
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| Macer | is maemo.org not working for anybody else? | 02:49 |
| jaska | slowly, ~10s to load a wiki page | 02:49 |
| djdm | Reading it at the moment - seems fine | 02:49 |
| Macer | doesnt seem to be working on my n900 | 02:50 |
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| Macer | other pages are acting strange too | 02:51 |
| Macer | but maemo.org seems messed up | 02:52 |
| Macer | http://casa.colorado.edu/~ajsh/schww.html | 02:54 |
| Macer | oops | 02:54 |
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| Macer | how do you initialize a video call? | 02:57 |
| Macer | i dont see the option anywhere | 02:57 |
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| tripzero | ~flashing | 03:06 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:06 |
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| tripzero | so this doesn't make sense to me. In the context of flashing your n900: | 03:16 |
| tripzero | "Turn off your device (make sure you unplug the charger or else the device will not power down completely. You can plug the device back into power once it starts flashing)." | 03:16 |
| tripzero | unplug it, turn it off, start flashing, plug it back in? | 03:16 |
| Macer | haha | 03:16 |
| Macer | i just ran the nokia updater | 03:16 |
| Macer | with the phone on ;) | 03:17 |
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| Macer | file manager needs smb support :) | 03:17 |
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| Macer | with login support | 03:17 |
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| tripzero | Macer, update manager wouldn't install it for unknown reasons | 03:19 |
| tripzero | :( | 03:19 |
| Macer | in windows? wtf? | 03:21 |
| Macer | heh | 03:21 |
| Macer | i was more pissed off that an ota update needed a wire | 03:21 |
| Macer | ;) | 03:21 |
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| Macer | that isnt very over the air now is it? | 03:21 |
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| tripzero | no | 03:23 |
| tripzero | hehe | 03:23 |
| tripzero | we;;. ot | 03:24 |
| tripzero | s bpptomg | 03:24 |
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| tripzero | err, at least its booting | 03:24 |
| Macer | then people wonder why i was confused about the fm transmitter :) | 03:24 |
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| microlith | I wonder what is in the application manager logs of people who can't update directly on the device | 03:28 |
| microlith | there's gotta be something | 03:28 |
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| tripzero | yay, update successful | 03:31 |
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| * tripzero shakes hands of world | 03:31 | |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders reporting a bug. | 03:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how sane 'Compile kernel with -j4 in background' is as a step to reproduce. | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Camera can flash and take a picture after the flash if very loaded. | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | OTOH - I _love_ the new night mode | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It seemingly slows the shutter to ~1/5th s or so. | 03:34 |
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| GAN900 | andre900, you still here? | 03:39 |
| opdf2 | how do u reset the Internet Radio list? | 03:40 |
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| opdf2 | It is stored in .mafw.db | 03:44 |
| pigeon | with the n900 (ovi) map application, can you download maps for it so it will work offline? | 03:45 |
| opdf2 | "/home/user/.mafw.db" Anyone wanna send me their PR 1.2 original? | 03:45 |
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| rm_you | So, I think the problem with my current N900 is that it doesn't detect the battery correctly and refuses to charge | 03:47 |
| opdf2 | oo nm its in a backup | 03:47 |
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| ShadowJK | rm_you, if it's any help, my N810 refused to charge when only + and - pins made contact, the third pin didn't and it refused to charge | 03:53 |
| rm_you | hrmrm.... | 03:53 |
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| ShadowJK | lshal | grep battery | 03:54 |
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| ShadowJK | if reporting.design is 0 then I'd say third pin | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, crap, still here? | 03:55 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: yep | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, cool, one sec. | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, can you add yourself to this page? | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue | 03:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Not loading here, of course) | 03:56 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: i'm there actually | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, are you? Good. | 03:57 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: as I remember :) | 03:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | wazd, I've got some traction going on the queue, just wanted to make sure you were on there (haven't actually checked). | 03:57 |
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| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: see under normal load that would be a rhetorical question ;) | 03:57 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: VDVsx forced me to sign in :) | 03:58 |
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| wazd | what's wrong with maemo.org btw? | 03:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | wazd, well, I'm gonna draft an email and collect information from everybody to forward on to Quim so he can start shipping them out. | 03:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, did you see my message from the other day? | 03:58 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: awesome | 03:59 |
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| rm_you | wtf how do i make a | in the terminal | 04:01 |
| toresbe | you press | | 04:01 |
| rm_you | ... where us that key, lol | 04:01 |
| sp3000 | GeneralAntilles: something about bugs? | 04:02 |
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| ShadowJK | blue fn and sym to bring up symbol menu | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: added. | 04:02 |
| sp3000 | yeah that must be it | 04:03 |
| wazd | GeneralAntilles: btw, AndrewFBlack was trying to ask Quim if he can send his device to me. but I guess he has failed :) | 04:03 |
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| rm_you | ShadowJK: pressing that key combo does nothing | 04:04 |
| rm_you | actually apparently none of the keys do anything besides letters | 04:04 |
| rm_you | can't type numbers.... | 04:05 |
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| rm_you | arrow keys don't work except the left one | 04:05 |
| rm_you | wtf | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | hal-device bme | 04:05 |
| asj | rm_you: do you have ctrl pressed? | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | though you'll have fun typing - | 04:05 |
| rm_you | tab got it | 04:05 |
| rm_you | :P | 04:05 |
| rm_you | battery.reporting.design = 1 | 04:06 |
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| rm_you | can you pastebin the output of that command on your device? | 04:07 |
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| rm_you | i can't copy/paste mine out because ctrl doesnt work and they removed the menu option for copy | 04:07 |
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| rm_you | and can't out it to a file cause i can't type symbols | 04:07 |
| rm_you | ok now NONE of the keys work | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | ctrl-c in terminal doesnt copy anyway... | 04:09 |
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| rm_you | HA, got cirtual keyboard to work | 04:10 |
| rm_you | *virtual | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | combinations of ctrl-s and ctrl-q in terminal would freeze it, if ypu were randomly pressing stuff.. | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: slect the pointer | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: then you can select stuff, and then copy appeard | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | s | 04:10 |
| redeeman | any news on restoring the virtual keyboard from pr 1.1.1? | 04:10 |
| ponyofdeath | hi, anyone else having issues with the phone screen orientatioin after pr1.2 | 04:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Anyway, 1 shows n900 isn't reading the battery capacity right, which is probably why it refuses to charge | 04:12 |
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| rm_you | battery.reporting.design = 1 <--- not right? | 04:15 |
| rm_you | hrm | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1873192 | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | see rm_you | 04:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | sp3000, yeah, was just thanking you for the fast turnaround. | 04:17 |
| rm_you | mine is... | 04:17 |
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| sp3000 | yeah I was monitoring for any interesting fallout from release | 04:18 |
| * sp3000 & | 04:18 | |
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| rm_you | SpeedEvil: mine: http://pastebin.ca/1873193 | 04:19 |
| rm_you | since i can't copy/paste or get anything off device, i just edited your post and typed in the changes >_< | 04:19 |
| rm_you | is my device fucked? | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Â battery.voltage.design = 9999Â (0x270f)Â (int) | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | looks exciting. | 04:20 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | But practically - it looks like it's not actually detecting the battery at all. | 04:20 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:20 |
| rm_you | thoughts? | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you don't have a spare battery? | 04:20 |
| rm_you | i do | 04:20 |
| rm_you | it exhibits the same symptoms | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it do the same thing? | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:21 |
| rm_you | exactly. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I would first try flashing. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | so i could switch it and check again | 04:21 |
| rm_you | just did | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | In case it's a screwed BME | 04:21 |
| rm_you | flashed PR1.2 and eMMC last night | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - prolly not that. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | like four times | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it actually charge? | 04:21 |
| rm_you | it was dead before then. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | And was it doing this before? | 04:21 |
| rm_you | no it does not. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:21 |
| rm_you | i was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I would return it for warranty service. | 04:21 |
| rm_you | and wouldnt turn back on | 04:21 |
| rm_you | .... I got it from Quim | 04:21 |
| rm_you | <_< | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:21 |
| rm_you | Second of the devices I got from him to fail | 04:22 |
| rm_you | first one was a USB port catastrophe ALA Texrat | 04:22 |
| rm_you | and so many others... | 04:22 |
| rm_you | now this :/ | 04:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | rm_you: I would next try qkwv.com/bq.tar - this is ShadowJK's script for monitoring battery state - it's really a tar.gz | 04:23 |
| rm_you | k | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it has two files - copy to /root - and run it | 04:24 |
| rm_you | ok rebooted and some of keyboard works | 04:24 |
| rm_you | tried to type wget and got "wge", the "t" key doesnt appear to work | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | The script looks like http://pastebin.ca/1873195 | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ok - | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | In that case, it sounds like you've got major hardware screwage going on. | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's more than just a battery or software issue. | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I would wonder about mechanical damage, or liquid ingress. | 04:25 |
| opdf2 | hmm u need to remove sim before update? | 04:26 |
| rm_you | zero liquid damage | 04:26 |
| rm_you | mechanical maybe? but dunno HOW | 04:26 |
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| rm_you | i didn't ever drop it | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: I diddn't - some have reported issues. | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: Might it have been dropped before though. | 04:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - random stuff just happens. | 04:27 |
| rm_you | when i got it from Quim it was NIB | 04:27 |
| opdf2 | SpeedEvil: Â are the issues not being able to install it? Or problems in 1.2? | 04:27 |
| rm_you | at least, it had all the plastic shielding bits on that i had to peel off | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: Some have reported wiping of SIMs and microSDs. | 04:27 |
| rm_you | :( | 04:27 |
| opdf2 | geez | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: however - it's worked for most peopel. | 04:27 |
| rm_you | i guess i'll just tell Quim this one is broken too | 04:27 |
| rm_you | and I'll just send them both back to him | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: The vast majority of people. | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: :/ | 04:28 |
| rm_you | at least it broke in a completely different way | 04:28 |
| rm_you | so hopefully he doesn't think I'm destroying them on purpose <_< | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:28 |
| * rm_you sighs | 04:28 | |
| rm_you | back to G1 | 04:29 |
| rm_you | again. | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I would try resoldering the USB - but I have a soldering iron, and I'm not afraid to use it. | 04:29 |
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| spectre- | pr1.2 is awesome | 04:30 |
| rm_you | heh | 04:30 |
| spectre- | :D | 04:30 |
| rm_you | i could ship you my old n900 (the one with the USB that broke off) :P | 04:30 |
| rm_you | the hardware in THAT one still works great | 04:31 |
| rm_you | besides the USB thing | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | rm_you, reporting.design is supposed to be closer to 1320 than 0 ;) | 04:32 |
| rm_you | lol yes i would imagine | 04:32 |
| ShadowJK | 1000-1300 is reasonable with stock battery | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: That would be good - but I don't know how that'd work. | 04:32 |
| rm_you | so apparently besides it not correctly reading the battery, the keyboard is also failing | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | rm_you: I can't off-hand think of any simple commonality between parts of the keyboard, and the battery charging. The keyboard is just connected to a bunch of IO pins. | 04:33 |
| rm_you | T_T | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | hm, gaia has the battery detection stuff. doesn't it also handle keyboard matrix or am I misremembering? | 04:34 |
| rm_you | could it have gotten a surge or something while charging? | 04:34 |
| rm_you | or, do DC converters catch those and just explode | 04:34 |
| rm_you | lol | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | well it's different components that do charge | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Gaia has some ADCs that hook to the battery I think. | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: As does the cellmo. But I'm not really sure what bme is reading. | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | Gaia does battery detection, bq24500 does battery charging, bq27200 does battery "fuel gauge" measurements, and then stuff is connected to Cellmodem side too.. | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It seemed to be reading gaia ADCs. | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 04:37 |
| zChris | mameo.org times out for me :/ | 04:38 |
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| Rolexde | :D | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 04:39 |
| Rolexde | www.motherless.com | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - I forgot about spammers. | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | How delightful. | 04:40 |
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| swc|666 | ./0wnit.py www.motherless.com -p80 -T Insane --shellcode=all --include="nginx-0day" | 04:43 |
| swc|666 | oops, ww | 04:43 |
| swc|666 | :p | 04:43 |
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| Macer | so | 04:46 |
| Macer | how is koffice coming along for maemo? | 04:46 |
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| Macer | wow | 04:51 |
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| * microlith wonders what's with Fedora's insistence on LVM volumes | 04:51 | |
| Macer | if only palm really had a 3D holographic projecting phone | 04:53 |
| Macer | microlith: it is linux' funny way of pretending they have zfs :) | 04:53 |
| spectre- | like in freenas? | 04:54 |
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| spectre- | ;) | 04:54 |
| Macer | hehe | 04:55 |
| Macer | maybe linux distros should just use zfs | 04:55 |
| Macer | :) | 04:55 |
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| b-man | today was terrible - had 3 power serges during a sever thunderstorm todya because of lightening :( | 05:03 |
| b-man | *today | 05:03 |
| SpeedEvil | My n900 got hit by lightening. It went gray. | 05:04 |
| rm_you | now is it sentient, evil, bent on taking over the world, and ruggedly handsom? | 05:05 |
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| spectre- | why does the fm transmitter only do odd frequencies? | 05:05 |
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| b-man | there were at least 4 or 5 lightening strikes from within 400 meters from my house lol | 05:08 |
| b-man | it got bad xD | 05:08 |
| rm_you | because radios only tune to odd frequencies? | 05:08 |
| b-man | even my dad's car got f*cked up | 05:08 |
| spectre- | ... | 05:10 |
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| spectre- | depends on where you are in the world :) | 05:10 |
| rm_you | what country are you in? :P | 05:10 |
| arachnist | 041108 [fnode] !-- host | ~b-man17@pool-70-106-220-48.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net | 05:11 |
| spectre- | one of the most well known radio stations here is 88.8 | 05:11 |
| arachnist | my guess is, usa | 05:11 |
| rm_you | nah, he can't be USA | 05:11 |
| spectre- | uganda | 05:11 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:11 |
| rm_you | well, craziness | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | b-man, I take it you don't get thunderstorms frequently there? :P | 05:12 |
| spectre- | but i've been to plenty of places that do even numbers as well | 05:12 |
| spectre- | also, lower frequencies are common in lots of places too | 05:12 |
| rm_you | yeah | 05:12 |
| rm_you | in US it's due to FCC regulations <_< | 05:12 |
| spectre- | like sub 88 range | 05:12 |
| spectre- | ye | 05:12 |
| spectre- | ah | 05:12 |
| spectre- | i wonder if the world edition firmware does other frequencies | 05:13 |
| rm_you | also, we have single radio stations that would cover your entire country | 05:13 |
| rm_you | and they are single city based | 05:13 |
| rm_you | sooo | 05:13 |
| spectre- | well, i'm from the us :p | 05:13 |
| rm_you | that could be why :P | 05:13 |
| spectre- | just living over here | 05:13 |
| rm_you | lol k then you know what i'm talking about :P | 05:13 |
| spectre- | so, i'm aware :p | 05:14 |
| rm_you | it's probably an issue with channels bleeding together in the major cities | 05:14 |
| spectre- | nah, i think it's the fcc thing | 05:14 |
| spectre- | and this is usa firmware | 05:14 |
| rm_you | since the transmitters are so powerdul | 05:14 |
| rm_you | *powerful | 05:14 |
| spectre- | anyone here using world edition firmware? | 05:14 |
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| spectre- | yeah thats the tough thing here | 05:15 |
| spectre- | no regulation | 05:15 |
| rm_you | oooooo | 05:15 |
| spectre- | so your transmitting fm fine here | 05:15 |
| spectre- | drive down the road and bÂŁ | 05:15 |
| spectre- | bzzzzz | 05:15 |
| spectre- | interference | 05:15 |
| rm_you | Pirate radio! | 05:15 |
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| rm_you | win | 05:15 |
| spectre- | haha yeah | 05:15 |
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| rm_you | I always wanted to start a pirate radio station in the US | 05:16 |
| rm_you | it's tricksy tho | 05:16 |
| rm_you | but not too expensive | 05:16 |
| spectre- | i like the new 'hold' the button feature in 1.2 | 05:16 |
| rm_you | setup costs are like $2000 | 05:16 |
| spectre- | makes typing ip's hella easier | 05:16 |
| rm_you | can get all the equipment you need from Radio Free Berkely :P | 05:16 |
| spectre- | well, you can get some powerful transmitters for around 200 | 05:16 |
| rm_you | hrm | 05:16 |
| spectre- | that'd do your neighborhood | 05:17 |
| rm_you | would love to have a device with a working keyboard to try that on :P | 05:17 |
| spectre- | maybe a bit more $ but not much | 05:17 |
| spectre- | kits though | 05:17 |
| rm_you | I want a good distance in the city | 05:17 |
| rm_you | not just three blocks | 05:17 |
| spectre- | i was going to build one into my car at one point | 05:17 |
| spectre- | so i could harass other drivers in traffic | 05:17 |
| rm_you | haha | 05:18 |
| spectre- | by overriding the signal they were on | 05:18 |
| spectre- | with something obscene | 05:18 |
| rm_you | if they were being annoying? :P | 05:18 |
| rm_you | like pumping rap music at obscene volume? | 05:18 |
| spectre- | haha yeah exactly | 05:18 |
| rm_you | replace it with Haddaway :P | 05:18 |
| spectre- | switch em to backstreet boys real quick | 05:18 |
| rm_you | or rickroll them | 05:18 |
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| spectre- | anyway, gotta crash | 05:19 |
| spectre- | 4am here in rwanda (visiting) | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love to be able to tweak the buttons. | 05:19 |
| rm_you | kk night | 05:19 |
| spectre- | later :D | 05:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to drop the 'symbol' delay to 200ms or so | 05:19 |
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| jaem | 'evening... | 05:39 |
| jaem | Has anyone tried out the remote debugging feature of the beta SDK with the N900 yet? | 05:39 |
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| LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bV-zoiHKwc | 05:48 |
| LiraNuna | oh em gee portrait moed | 05:48 |
| LiraNuna | ;P | 05:48 |
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| jaem | LiraNuna, is that a video of portrait mode /other/ than the many that sprung up a few months ago when someone's phone glitched? | 05:51 |
| LiraNuna | yes | 05:51 |
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| jaem | LiraNuna, hmm... I will check it out, then | 05:51 |
| LiraNuna | it's a joke though, it's from Nokia R&D | 05:51 |
| LiraNuna | maybe it shows Nokia's interest in portrait mode | 05:51 |
| jaem | darn you, Flash... :/ | 05:52 |
| jaem | no sound... it happens. | 05:52 |
| LiraNuna | sound is just music | 05:52 |
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| jaem | Ah, and it locked up FF. :S | 05:53 |
| jaem | wow... the first ~40s pegged the cheesometer... I think I'll skip it. | 05:55 |
| jaem | Also, that's an interesting Maemo UI :P | 05:55 |
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| jaem | It reminds me of watching Caprica (the BSG spin-off), in which all the mob guys use the same model of cheap dumbphone as I'm currently stuck with - except the UI is much shinier, and probably wouldn't even run on that hardware. | 05:56 |
| jaem | What would we do without CG, eh? | 05:56 |
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| microlith | man, I hope MeeGo isn't as outright terrible as Fedora | 05:58 |
| jaem | microlith, I doubt it, since it isn't Fedora | 05:58 |
| jaem | Didn't Moblin have a big announcement some while before the MeeGo press release saying that they were not using Fedora as an upstream anymore? | 05:59 |
| microlith | don't recall | 05:59 |
| microlith | but that's a good thing | 05:59 |
| microlith | I keep forgetting that redhat is what drove me away from linux | 06:00 |
| jaem | microlith, I'm pretty sure that I saw something to that effect. | 06:00 |
| jaem | I don't have any opinion on the matter, besides Fedora not being my preference. | 06:00 |
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| jaem | I've never used it long enough to get a feel for it. | 06:00 |
| microlith | I suppose I'm spoiled by ubuntu | 06:01 |
| jaem | Personally, I'll be happy to have a phone (and other things?) that runs Linux; which distro is secondary except from a design point of view. | 06:01 |
| microlith | yes | 06:01 |
| jaem | microlith, I'm spoiled by Arch, which is why Ubuntu takes getting used to now that I'm using it again. ;) | 06:01 |
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| jaem | Besides, if MeeGo takes off like Nokia&&Intel are hoping, then I doubt it will be long until alternative distributions/UXs are available. | 06:02 |
| microlith | yeah | 06:02 |
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| trip0 | bummer that skype video calls don't work against the linux client :( | 06:11 |
| jaem | trip0, oh, they don't? | 06:11 |
| jaem | Are you using the latest Beta? | 06:11 |
| jaem | I really wish Skype would hurry up with whatever pseudo-/partial-open-sourcing they said they were going to ages ago. | 06:12 |
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| jaem | If they gave the community decent quality libraries, even closed source, I'm sure it would take very little time for there to be a whole bunch of much better apps than their own. | 06:12 |
| jaem | ...and integration, for that matter. | 06:12 |
| jaem | That in itself would be great. | 06:13 |
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| trip0 | jaem, it's not obvious how to get it to work if it does work. | 06:14 |
| trip0 | and from what I read, only the windows version works with video calls against the n900 | 06:14 |
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| trip0 | i doubt even fake-open sourcing would help in this matter | 06:15 |
| trip0 | iirc, they were planning on making the frontend open with a closed backend | 06:15 |
| trip0 | if the backend never gets updated, any open source frontend is SOL | 06:15 |
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| luke-jr | why bother? Skype is a crap virus | 06:26 |
| * jaem waves at luke-jr | 06:27 | |
| jaem | right on cue! | 06:27 |
| jaem | I dislike it as well, for what it's worth. | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | it's not like there aren't plenty of open standards for video conferencing | 06:27 |
| jaem | However, with a really lousy cell plan, and no land-line, it's currently the only way I can satisfy my telephony needs at a cost I can afford. | 06:28 |
| jaem | luke-jr, yes, I know. | 06:28 |
| jaem | Find me a service that offers 10,000 outgoing minutes per month for $3, and I'll gladly switch | 06:28 |
| jaem | I really would like to, but I can't afford per-minute billing, and that's all I've seen with others. | 06:28 |
| jaem | ...I am actually serious - if you come across something like that, I'd like to know ;) | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:29 |
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| jaem | </rant> :S | 06:30 |
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| microlith | hmm | 06:35 |
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| Termana | This is going to sound silly - but anyone have some bricks (actual bricks) laying around? | 07:19 |
| Termana | and a camera | 07:19 |
| pigeon | not me, what about google image? | 07:20 |
| Termana | I want a photo of the n900 of top of a brick, nothing turned up on google images | 07:21 |
| pigeon | ah, right. | 07:21 |
| pigeon | gimp them together :) | 07:21 |
| Termana | mmm maybe, not great with image editing, but if no one has a brick and a camera, it will have to do :P | 07:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: I could get the brick if you send me a camera and N900 :-P | 07:29 |
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| pigeon | does anyone know if you could download maps for ovi map so it will work offline? | 07:30 |
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| undrwater | pigeon: http://support.ovi.com/index.php?id=faq&lang=en_GB&src=support_maps_sublanding&wsid=1002&caseid=FA116008_en_US | 07:34 |
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| pigeon | undrwater: oh, thanks. | 07:35 |
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| lucent | I would like to test skype with video calling on my N900, is anyone else interested to do the same? | 07:47 |
| trip0 | lucent, i am | 07:49 |
| lucent | my Skype username is 'joecastle' if you would like to try | 07:49 |
| pronto | o= you have video calling? | 07:49 |
| lucent | pronto: PR1.2 should add video calling | 07:49 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 07:50 |
| lucent | I flashed to PR1.2 last night and did not yet try it | 07:50 |
| pronto | ah, it's to much of a bitch to upgrade that | 07:50 |
| ColdFyre | when is PR 1.3 coming? | 07:50 |
| lucent | forewarning, I had problems doing OTA update of PR1.2 | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: wasn't | 07:50 |
| lucent | it is suggested to flash and not upgrade OTA | 07:50 |
| redeeman | but really, i wish i hadnt upgraded to 1.2, the keyboard is just not working | 07:50 |
| lucent | redeeman: keyboard looks and works fine to me | 07:51 |
| trip0 | i'm in the middle of installing crap from my backup | 07:51 |
| redeeman | lol | 07:51 |
| redeeman | its impossible to type on | 07:51 |
| lucent | what is your problem with the keyboard, redeeman | 07:51 |
| ColdFyre | my virtual keyboard is also borked | 07:51 |
| redeeman | not to mention some characters are missing | 07:51 |
| ColdFyre | misisng some keys | 07:51 |
| redeeman | lucent: the onscreen keyboard | 07:51 |
| trip0 | yeah, not sure i like the new keyboard yet | 07:51 |
| trip0 | it's going to take getting used to | 07:51 |
| trip0 | i was getting pretty fast at the old one | 07:51 |
| ColdFyre | it's missing backspace | 07:51 |
| redeeman | the old one was extremely good | 07:51 |
| redeeman | ColdFyre: no backspace is there | 07:51 |
| redeeman | just in a weird position | 07:51 |
| ColdFyre | not visible | 07:51 |
| redeeman | it is here | 07:51 |
| ColdFyre | at least for me | 07:51 |
| trip0 | i love how video out works so much better now | 07:51 |
| redeeman | everything is working here | 07:52 |
| lucent | on-screen? oh. I didn't realize that you are talking about on screen keyboard, that is a feature I don't normally use | 07:52 |
| trip0 | on-screen used to rock | 07:52 |
| redeeman | only the new onscreen keyboard is worse than i ever imagined it possible to be | 07:52 |
| trip0 | haha | 07:52 |
| lucent | I thought you are referring to the "on screen" keyboard for extra keys, when I type Fn-Sym | 07:52 |
| lucent | how would I test this keyboard you're talking about? | 07:52 |
| redeeman | seriously | 07:52 |
| redeeman | the guy that is responsible for the onscreen keyboard must be insane | 07:53 |
| redeeman | i really hope that guy doesn't have a drivers license | 07:53 |
| lucent | redeeman: are you done yet? | 07:53 |
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| redeeman | not yet, i have one additional comment | 07:54 |
| lucent | I want to see what this feature is you've been upset about for days now | 07:54 |
| redeeman | they could atleast have had a huge warning in the update manager that the feature would be effectively rendered inoperable :) | 07:54 |
| ColdFyre | i agree, the keyboard is terrible | 07:54 |
| ColdFyre | the old one was great | 07:54 |
| asj | actually it's more operable imho than it used to be | 07:54 |
| asj | text completion is now useable | 07:54 |
| redeeman | text completion takes more time than it saves | 07:55 |
| * lucent taps the microphone | 07:55 | |
| lucent | hello? how do I use the feature you are saying is crap? | 07:55 |
| redeeman | lucent: don't open the n900's physical keyboard | 07:55 |
| redeeman | and then type something | 07:55 |
| redeeman | so that the onscreen keyboard appears | 07:55 |
| ColdFyre | is it me or are things in the application manager sorted at random? | 07:55 |
| asj | lucent: tap in a text field with the kb closed | 07:55 |
| lucent | a text field? Okay, not "Notes" ? | 07:56 |
| asj | you might need to enable the virutal kb | 07:56 |
| asj | notes works | 07:56 |
| ColdFyre | and you can't search in there anymore? | 07:56 |
| lucent | asj: "Notes" crashes when I do this | 07:56 |
| redeeman | well then something is broken for you | 07:56 |
| asj | lucent: that wouldn't be a feature ;) | 07:56 |
| asj | ColdFyre: just type | 07:56 |
| * lucent plays with N900 a bit more | 07:57 | |
| ColdFyre | asj, it only searches for the package name though | 07:57 |
| ColdFyre | not description | 07:57 |
| undrwater | how's it work as a phone? | 07:57 |
| asj | ColdFyre: ah didn't try that | 07:57 |
| asj | undrwater: it has a phone? | 07:57 |
| undrwater | :D | 07:57 |
| undrwater | i'm screwed...looks like android for me :P | 07:58 |
| asj | app mgr still takes way way to long to load the package selection screen | 07:58 |
| lucent | asj: thanks! I see what feature you are talking about now | 07:58 |
| lucent | it looks fine to mee | 07:58 |
| asj | lucent: it's different, it's bad | 07:59 |
| lucent | could use a different keymap layout but that's easy | 07:59 |
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| asj | lucent: the n900 virtual kb has always been horrible, I don't get why people care | 07:59 |
| redeeman | lol the n900 virtual keyboard was extremely good before 1.2 | 07:59 |
| undrwater | illume OSK rocks ;) | 08:00 |
| lucent | virtual keyboard was terrible when I first used it | 08:00 |
| asj | redeeman: not one in their right mind would call it extremely good | 08:00 |
| lucent | which is today? | 08:00 |
| redeeman | perhaps you just didn't know how to use it? | 08:00 |
| asj | redeeman: lol, what features of the kb do you think I wouldn't know how to use? | 08:00 |
| lucent | why bother having a virtual keyboard though... what language are you trying to type in | 08:00 |
| redeeman | i don't know, but based on your argument that its horrible, i must assume theres something that escapes you | 08:01 |
| redeeman | lucent: its faster than the physical | 08:01 |
| redeeman | or well.. WAS faster | 08:01 |
| asj | ColdFyre: btw it does search descriptions | 08:01 |
| ColdFyre | odd, mine is not | 08:01 |
| ColdFyre | nor does mine render backspace | 08:01 |
| lucent | o_O I'm pretty darned fast with the hw keyboard mate | 08:01 |
| redeeman | yeah well i was pretty "darned" fast with the onscreen | 08:02 |
| asj | ColdFyre: I tried "misc" and searched "conf" which gave me fbreader-page-buttons | 08:02 |
| lucent | using thumbs or a stylus? | 08:02 |
| redeeman | thumbs | 08:02 |
| lucent | must have skinny thumbs lawl | 08:02 |
| redeeman | not really | 08:02 |
| redeeman | i just have excellent precision in my motor control | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | redeeman: I don't see how you could be faster on vkbd than on hwkbd | 08:02 |
| redeeman | DocScrutinizer51: well.. find me a way to restore the old one, and i'll be happy to arrange a demonstation | 08:03 |
| * lucent declares May 27th 2010 "redeeman is correct and everyone else is being trolled" day | 08:03 | |
| asj | DocScrutinizer51: he has excelent precision...comes from years of...never mind ;) | 08:03 |
| redeeman | lucent: im not the only one that thinks the new one is shit | 08:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 coses slider to give vkbd a try | 08:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | closes even | 08:04 |
| redeeman | hell i cant even find a questionmark in the new one | 08:04 |
| undrwater | DocScrutinizer51: did you like illume? | 08:04 |
| redeeman | but i guess that's not a required character these days... | 08:04 |
| * lucent looks at questionmark on virtual keyboard | 08:04 | |
| lucent | redeeman: you be trollin' | 08:05 |
| redeeman | lucent: and where, do tell, might i find it? | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what a bullshit.., this kbd is next to unusable | 08:05 |
| lucent | which keymap do you have loaded redeeman | 08:05 |
| redeeman | danish | 08:05 |
| asj | redeeman: you can't fine the ? | 08:05 |
| asj | right above bs? | 08:05 |
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| ColdFyre | i ahve the english keymap | 08:05 |
| ColdFyre | nor do i see ? | 08:05 |
| redeeman | believe me, there is no questionmark here | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and that's been the *old* vkbd ;-) | 08:05 |
| asj | the right hand keys from top to bottom here are ' ? bs enter | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | undrwater: not really | 08:06 |
| redeeman | bs? | 08:06 |
| redeeman | into what state are you in the keyboard? | 08:06 |
| redeeman | shifted/secondary? | 08:06 |
| ColdFyre | i will take a pic of my phnoe..there is no question mark | 08:06 |
| asj | 2nd row over is p ! ., shift changes it | 08:06 |
| ColdFyre | i have the upside down one.. | 08:06 |
| asj | ? shares it's key with \ when shifted | 08:07 |
| redeeman | not here it doesn't | 08:07 |
| asj | redeeman: do you see \? | 08:07 |
| redeeman | on the page with numbers | 08:07 |
| redeeman | i have on the third line | 08:07 |
| asj | no on the alpha page | 08:07 |
| redeeman | , . @ / \ ~^( ) | 08:07 |
| redeeman | ah | 08:07 |
| redeeman | im there now on alpha page | 08:07 |
| redeeman | i do not see any question mark there | 08:08 |
| asj | do you see \? | 08:08 |
| redeeman | z c v b n n m ? . backspace | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | would you guys mind to first agree on a particular version of a particular national variant of the vkbd mapping? | 08:08 |
| asj | redeeman: what's above the backspace? | 08:08 |
| redeeman | Ăž | 08:08 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer51: that's no fun | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 08:08 |
| redeeman | but was that the correct position for the questionmark? | 08:08 |
| asj | wtf is Ăž | 08:08 |
| redeeman | its a danish character | 08:08 |
| asj | I wonder what character set I have | 08:09 |
| lucent | english/nederlands layout: <<qwertyuiop'>> <<asdfghjkl!?>> <<SHIFTzxcvbnm,.BACKSPACE>> | 08:09 |
| redeeman | anyway, theres far bigger problems with the new keyboard | 08:09 |
| redeeman | for example | 08:09 |
| asj | ah utf-8 now, let's try again: Ăž | 08:09 |
| redeeman | you have to potentially press 2 buttons to get into the pages for characters | 08:09 |
| redeeman | whereas before you just had 3 tabs | 08:09 |
| redeeman | took only 3 press | 08:09 |
| redeeman | not to mention the buttons being smaller now | 08:09 |
| asj | redeeman: by happy it takes 5 key presses to get @ on the N8 | 08:09 |
| redeeman | making it virtually useless for fast typing with thumbs | 08:09 |
| redeeman | and it took max 2 before | 08:10 |
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| asj | the english keyboard layout seems very sensible actually, very smart use of / to be shifted ? | 08:12 |
| Trizt | in the scandinavian keyboard I miss that | ain't there, you need to go to symbols | 08:13 |
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| ColdFyre | we need a rick astley theme | 08:14 |
| Termana | ColdFyre, No ones ever gonna give that up, ever gonna let it down. | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hanna montana theme? :-o | 08:16 |
| ColdFyre | DocScrutinizer51: http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html | 08:17 |
| Funnyface | is maemo.org down? | 08:17 |
| Funnyface | or horribly slow.. | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah thanks - lsot the link | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Funnyface: weekend | 08:18 |
| Termana | Funnyface, a lot of people seem to be complaining of that... but mines perfectly fine :P | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's kinda 'scheduled' outage | 08:18 |
| Funnyface | ah well I can't get it to load here, www.maemo.org itself seems to be fine, but then it gets stuck loading stuff from static.maemo.org | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also seems our maintainers are fiddling with the css etc | 08:19 |
| Funnyface | :P | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it seems | 08:20 |
| tybollt | 7nick sadface | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wiki looked really weird 10h ago | 08:20 |
| ColdFyre | it is the gnomes | 08:21 |
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| parim | is there a decent sip call recorder for maemo 4? | 08:24 |
| DocAvalanche | could anybody look at e.g http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host whether it actually looks quite messed up for them as well? | 08:25 |
| asj | DocAvalanche: it's slow here, maybe a style sheet failed to load...I'm still waiting for it to load | 08:26 |
| DocAvalanche | messed up here means for example broken image for link maemo.org in upper left corner | 08:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely no theme at all here | 08:28 |
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| asj | still hasn't finished loading here, nothing rendered at all | 08:28 |
| Funnyface | same | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | here it renders like plain text on a white background | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | with menu moved from right to left | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/samsung-behold-ii-fails-to-fulfill-android-2-0-promise-jilted-u/ <- heh, it's upgrade wars galore.. | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:30 |
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| lucent | o_O the only messed up thing to me is that this is even possible (the content of the article) | 08:34 |
| lucent | re: USB Host mode N900 | 08:34 |
| TTilus | is just uninstalling apps enough to clear space for pr12 ota update? (maemo.org is unreachable to me, so im asking here) | 08:37 |
| ruskie | ahh recaller works... just for some reason notifications are being put belowe the phone app... | 08:37 |
| TTilus | and how do i know how much space im missing? | 08:37 |
| lucent | TTilus: my experience is that the PR1.2 update will result in a reboot cycle endlessly | 08:37 |
| lucent | TTilus: suggested action is to flash manually | 08:37 |
| lucent | i.e. backup your settings first, flash, restore settings | 08:38 |
| TTilus | ah, thanks | 08:38 |
| lucent | TTilus: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php is the link | 08:38 |
| Funnyface | TTilus: that's what I did, I uninstalled openarena, tuxrace, some battle for <insert whatever it was here> data files, and after that it let me install OTA | 08:38 |
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| * lucent notes "probably battle for wesnoth, only THE most popular original opensource licensed game in history" | 08:39 | |
| ruskie | lucent, ??? | 08:40 |
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| Funnyface | lucent: I am putting it that way because I never got it working :p | 08:40 |
| tybollt | lucent: I still won't play a game full of snot - NEVAR | 08:41 |
| * lucent ^_^ | 08:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: what's wrong with USB host mode?? o.O | 08:41 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: it dun work lest you know how to work the magic and have TEH SPECIALZ CABLERS... :-/ | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it the content of the wiki site itself that make you wonder how it's possible to publish such thing? | 08:42 |
| * tybollt can sooooo haz host mode... | 08:42 | |
| tybollt | ewhr there's a wiki now? | 08:43 |
| tybollt | ;) | 08:43 |
| Funnyface | have you got mediabox working btw? I don't see how I am supposed to make it find my files :p | 08:43 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: last I'd researched into the topic, USB host mode on N900 was a no-go | 08:43 |
| lucent | is it somehow a given that it works now? | 08:44 |
| tybollt | lucent: they made it work | 08:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head and makes note to set tybollt on ignore list until after breakfast | 08:44 | |
| tybollt | lucent: but involves sacrificing young virgins and goats... | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: yes | 08:44 |
| lucent | nifty. academic exercise, or something reliable? | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | work in progress, aimed to get a reliable every day solution | 08:45 |
| lucent | that's really nifty ^_^ | 08:46 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: seriously though - it does require the special cable - right? | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: no, the cable is pretty much standard (A-F to A-F adapter will suffice) | 08:46 |
| * tybollt confused now - guess I'm just that outdated... | 08:47 | |
| * tybollt heads off to read the wiki | 08:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: that's quite obvious :-) | 08:47 |
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| n1c0 | Hi ! | 08:49 |
| lucent | hello | 08:49 |
| tybollt | I remember there was talk of a special cable (which was about when I lost my urgent interest seeing as how I've done more than my fair share of cable soldering/crimping at a previous job and wish not to pick that shore up) but perhaps I have just taken too much drugs and dreamed that... | 08:50 |
| n1c0 | i founded OcarinaOfTime OST, it is very fun as ringtone ^^ | 08:50 |
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| n1c0 | maybe it would be fun to use tablet as an ocarina like an iphone app :) | 08:51 |
| lucent | n1c0: I've seen a few music apps creep into the package catalogs | 08:52 |
| tybollt | ~otg | 08:52 |
| infobot | methinks otg is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_On-The-Go | 08:52 |
| lucent | none using the microphone yet | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678188#post678188 and prev ~35 pages, to get up to date. On the remaining pages from 1..~60 you'll find virtually all kind of rant and its contrary stated as the one and only truth, so probably also find your cable faulty info | 08:53 |
| Funnyface | when my FM transmitter is enabled, with nothing playing, it keeps playing tiny beeps every 2-3 secs, is that the channel name being transmitted? | 08:53 |
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| lucent | n1c0: one set-back for the N900 as a breath controller is that it is not a multi-touch | 08:53 |
| Funnyface | or is it some keepalive to not make a radio seek for another channel? :p | 08:53 |
| lucent | Funnyface: interesting, I don't know if I've heard those same beeps or not | 08:53 |
| lucent | Funnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha.. | 08:54 |
| asj | Funnyface: no, that's reminder that the fm transmitter is on and sucking power | 08:54 |
| asj | symbian does it | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: it's one thing for sure: STRANGE | 08:54 |
| n1c0 | lucent: hmm ok thanks for your enlight | 08:54 |
| Funnyface | nah it doesn't play the same beeps in the regular speakers :P | 08:55 |
| asj | Funnyface: why would it play it on the regular speakers? | 08:55 |
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| Funnyface | "<lucent>Funnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha.." for that | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: at a TX power of some NANO-Watts I don't think eating battery power to generate the beeps makes much sense | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | lucent: so implement multi-touch | 08:56 |
| lucent | luke-jr: the panel supports it? | 08:56 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: isn't it 100mW? | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | lucent: not sure resistive multi-touch requires panel support | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: at least not wrt saving energy | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: no, it's nano | 08:56 |
| Funnyface | I use fm-boost | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: even then | 08:57 |
| asj | plus it's handy to locate it | 08:57 |
| lucent | luke-jr: there was a multi-touch hack which predicted where a 2nd touch would be given a first touch and that the next point would be a midpoint of the next touch | 08:57 |
| lucent | just a hack though | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | all hardware is a hack | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | :) | 08:57 |
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| lucent | in so far as I can tell, the N900 is strictly not multi-touch | 08:58 |
| Funnyface | probably not super great, because a hard press will pull the "mid point" further towards that point :P | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | oh well | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | multi-touch is overrated and N900 sucks in general | 08:58 |
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| luke-jr | :) | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: and quite a nonsense that has proven not to work | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | did you try one? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | : | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | P | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: don't need to, the screen is obviously too small | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | I did witness multitouch though | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | I'd hate it | 08:59 |
| tybollt | lucent: that statement is non sensical. RESISTIVE screens are not multi-touch, period. It really has nothing to do w/ just the N900 | 08:59 |
| Funnyface | I am not going to be an apple fanboi with all their excuses of "I don't need that" but so far I haven't ever thought "damn, multitouch would be great for this" ever on my device :p | 09:00 |
| tybollt | Now - the n900 zooms just fine | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: also, there's no N900-compatible service here, I found | 09:00 |
| tybollt | stop the pinch zoom trolling :) | 09:00 |
| lucent | tybollt: nonsense, there are multi-touch resistive screens | 09:00 |
| tybollt | huh? | 09:00 |
| tybollt | there are - really? | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | tybollt: at least two-touch | 09:00 |
| Surfa | multitouch would have some benefits, but i don't really need it anyway | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: BZZZ you're out. Sorry that's BS. R-TS *can* do mt | 09:00 |
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| tybollt | Fair enough - I stand corrected :) | 09:01 |
| tybollt | Show me one - please | 09:01 |
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| Funnyface | piano apps need multitouch.. that's it | 09:01 |
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| Wolfie | luke-jr: i actually thought to write a two-touch emulator for n900, but when i realized that pinching wouldn't work, i quickly gave up the idea | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | tybollt: afaik it's all math in the driver | 09:01 |
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| Wolfie | would've been somewhat accurate only for two touches, but moving those fingers around would've been impossible to predict | 09:01 |
| Wolfie | and the touches can't be simultaneous, either | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | Wolfie: pinch != movement tracking | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope, you also need a special A/D hw to read out additional parameters of the TS planes | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | humans can't be simultaneous when compared with tech | 09:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i.e over all resistance | 09:02 |
| Wolfie | luke-jr: arent' resistive screens still pretty analogous and comparatively slow? | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | no clle | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | clue* | 09:02 |
| Wolfie | i mean, you need to press two films together to short a circuit, or something similar | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | but a pinch would simply be pressure changes around the same approximate point | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | I think | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | .. slow? | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wolfie: that's how they work, yes | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | Wolfie: that doesn't strike me as particularly slow | 09:03 |
| Wolfie | Stskeeps: slow as in not reacting in microseconds | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Wolfie: that might just be userland. | 09:03 |
| lucent | the truly innovative app I've seen for multitouch _is_ a breath controller for music synth | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wolfie: that depends on the A/D | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can go up to some megasamples/s with usual hw | 09:04 |
| Wolfie | Stskeeps: yeah, i'm not talking about what happens in the chips | 09:04 |
| Wolfie | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's too slow fore you... :-P | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | omg 1 am already | 09:04 |
| Wolfie | well, anyways. it wouldn't be too practical, and that woud've just been one application. I'm not a drivers guy :) | 09:04 |
| Funnyface | anyway, the N900 has a full keyboard to replace whatever a multitouch would be useful :P | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: no. | 09:04 |
| Funnyface | +for | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | N900's keyboard is epic fail short of "full" | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | full keyboard MUST have at LEAST a tab key | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | does n810? | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
| Funnyface | I'd prefer a 4 row keyboard indeed | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:05 |
| tybollt | luke-jr: agreed | 09:05 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, and esc and alt and and and.. | 09:05 |
| Funnyface | but that's not my point :P | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: C760 did | 09:05 |
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| lucent | luke-jr: agreed, no tab key has made me confused many times | 09:05 |
| Surfa | and then suddendly the device is too big and everone complains about it | 09:05 |
| lucent | that's the only key I really miss though | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: too big? N810 was too small | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | C760 was perfect :( | 09:06 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, look, you are not everyone, most people think n900 is too big | 09:06 |
| Funnyface | don't forget the "windows key" :P | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: anyone besides the idiots who think N900 is a phone? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: you mean the tux key | 09:06 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, nice attitude, do you like anything? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: I just said, I liked the C760 | 09:07 |
| lucent | yeah crankypants, some rest will do you good | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: who says there's a physical law forbidding to expose more than 1/2 the hight of the devices lower half to have a kbd there? | 09:07 |
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| Wolfie | well, i'd have to agree that as far as the phone usage of n900 goes, it's not in the top of the list | 09:07 |
| tybollt | hmm | 09:07 |
| tybollt | http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens/ | 09:07 |
| lucent | I rather like my N900's phone capabilities | 09:07 |
| Funnyface | well, the N900 does what I need it to do as a phone | 09:08 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, not physical law, but the device needs certain firmness and it's not easy thing to do if touching parts are decreasing | 09:08 |
| tybollt | so it exist - but there doesn't seem to be a lot of actual devices with it | 09:08 |
| Wolfie | that doesn't make it any less of a tech gadget, but its best features aren't the phone stuff | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: congrats, you found it without any help ;-) | 09:08 |
| Funnyface | I make phone calls and send some SMS messages, and the N900 does that | 09:08 |
| Funnyface | and in addition to that it's a great portable computer :P | 09:08 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, not to mention that other space under the screen is used too, it's not empty | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: C760 had a keyboard larger than the screen | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: sorry, you lost me on the 2nd statement | 09:08 |
| lucent | Funnyface: AdBlock Plus, and um... hover in the web browser | 09:09 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, devices today are so filled with components that if you want to put anything extra in there, you need more physical space -> device becomes bigger | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | http://www.brighthand.com/images/Sharp_Zaurus_R_1_L.jpg look at that wonderful design | 09:09 |
| Funnyface | lucent: ? :P was that for me? :P | 09:09 |
| lucent | yeah | 09:09 |
| lucent | just talking up the great features | 09:09 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, it's not just 1/2 keyboard becoming 3/4 keyboards e.g. | 09:10 |
| Funnyface | ah | 09:10 |
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| luke-jr | 6 rows :) | 09:10 |
| lucent | btw I owned several models of zaurs computers, they were somewhat elegant, and 100% unusuable | 09:10 |
| lucent | unusable* sorry my spelling is suffering over a slow net link | 09:10 |
| luke-jr | lucent: nonsense, I used my C760 every day for at least a year or two | 09:10 |
| lucent | well sure! you are dedicated | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: don't argue with me on that one. You'll lose the game. Look there http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | far more usable than Nokia's products, minus age differences | 09:11 |
| lucent | I tried using a C3k and a C3k1, it was like a Rolex... looks really pretty but doesn't keep very good time | 09:11 |
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| luke-jr | lucent: ... did you run ntpd? | 09:11 |
| lucent | around the same timeframe my co-worker had a N800 and it did everything the C3k did not do well | 09:11 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 09:12 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, right, whatever | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | N800 didn't even have a keyboard | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: I assure you there *is* enough space left | 09:12 |
| Wolfie | Funnyface: yes, it does what it needs to do as a phone (well, mms is debateable). But the fact that sms and phone is just another app, makes the point that it's not the main point of the device | 09:12 |
| Wolfie | so, it's a device with a phone. Not a phone per-se. Imho. | 09:12 |
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| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, if you say so | 09:13 |
| Funnyface | what are the problems getting MMS to work on the N900 anyway? isn't MMS just a separate data connection, which doesn't have an internet gateway on it, but just some MMS server instead? | 09:13 |
| Wolfie | Funnyface: there's always fMMS... | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | Funnyface: there might be a seperate data connection, and linux doesn't in 2.6.28 handle IP namespaces | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: the main problem is to design a rugged slider mechanism that slides out more than 50% | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: I'm by far no expert, but IIRC the only real problem is the cell company doesn't send MMS provisioning to N900s | 09:14 |
| lucent | I'm guessing, MMS integration hurdles are related to making it work within a programming framework | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | no, kernel level | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: why would it need a namespace? | 09:14 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: that'd becomne too fragile - surely? | 09:14 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, that was my first line, you can slide more than 50% no problem, but device should stay in one peace still | 09:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, look at N97 mini | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: because it would need to keep two data connections alive and mms would only want to go out on the MMS IP namespace | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: why not make a keyboard you can slide off entirely? ;) | 09:15 |
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| Funnyface | anyway it is no major issue to me.. my provider sends me a "you have received an MMS, go to this URL to watch it" message by SMS if I receive something | 09:15 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, try to guess :P | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a clamshell. yea | 09:15 |
| Funnyface | and I can't remember sending an MMS in my life | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: and ip route can't handle that why? | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: no clue | 09:15 |
| lucent | Funnyface: as mentioned earlier, you could try the 'fMMS' packages if you want something new to experiment with | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: sounds like a good idea to me | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: because it'll disrupt al other communications? | 09:16 |
| Surfa | Funnyface, not all operators do that if you have once owned a device with mms capabilities | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: why? | 09:16 |
| Funnyface | lucent: yeah :P | 09:16 |
| Funnyface | Surfa: hehe | 09:16 |
| Surfa | Funnyface, and it's a little annoying | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i'm not going to be bothering to argue with you but if you have two internet connections, one MMS, one internet, and you want to communicate with one or more IP on the MMS namespace at same time as communicating with a IP on the internet, this isn't exactly trivial | 09:17 |
| Surfa | Funnyface, and some operators do that after 2 days when the mms didn't get retrieved | 09:17 |
| * Stskeeps goes do work | 09:17 | |
| Surfa | Funnyface, so basically every mms comes with 2 day delay | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: sure it is; man ip | 09:17 |
| lucent | \o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i know it's possible to set up a bunch of static routes | 09:17 |
| Funnyface | Stskeeps: you could probably set the internet connection as the main connection, and just override that in your MMS application | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | but you have to admit that is ugy | 09:18 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, you also think that n900 is too small whereas majority of users think n900 is huge an buy another phone :) | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: not as ugly as a new network namespace | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: it's not supposed to be a phone | 09:18 |
| Funnyface | just like if you have 2 internet connections on your computer, it will always only use the one by default, unless you specifically bind an app to use the other | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | it's supposed to be a pocket computer | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: kernel people went for network namespace as the solution, so there's a good reason for it | 09:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | Surfa: someday nokia would like to be able to sell phones | 09:18 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: There's a problem w/ that. Joe User will not understand. | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: * namespace is just OpenVZ mainlining; the good reason is virtualization] | 09:19 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, it is supposed to be a phone with other capabilities too | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure why.. but | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Surfa: nah, luke-jr is mostly right | 09:19 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: Certainly when symbian had it. | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 isn't really supposed to be a phone first | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: N900's predecessors didn't even have phone capabilities | 09:19 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, that's not the point | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: it is | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the nokia roadmap for the team had the n900 as step 4 | 09:19 |
| timeless_mbp | of 5 | 09:19 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, no it isn't :) | 09:19 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: A new product w/ a feature less than the old product - who cares what reason - is still a new product w/ a feture lacking. | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: n900 didn't have a older product :P | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | except for n810 | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: N810 | 09:20 |
| Funnyface | tybollt: reading that somehow made me think of the iPad.. lol | 09:20 |
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| tybollt | good grief don't get me started on that shitshow | 09:20 |
| Surfa | timeless_mbp, well, talking about _phones_ you could check some sales figures :) | 09:20 |
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| Surfa | point me one company that sells more | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | IIRC when N900 was announced it was supposed to be data-only | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | Nokia only added a phone app down the road | 09:21 |
| Funnyface | anyway, whether the N900 is a computer or a phone, or both, doesn't change what it can do, and what size it is :P | 09:21 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, ööh? show me that announcement | 09:21 |
| Funnyface | to me it's a smartphone | 09:21 |
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| Surfa | n900 is equipped with phone capabilities, i really don't | 09:22 |
| Surfa | get how it is different from smartphones | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | Surfa: I don't know how to locate old articles :) | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | maybe timeless_mbp can comment | 09:22 |
| Funnyface | the GUI layout basically | 09:22 |
| Wolfie | Funnyface, Surfa: my (mild) objections are mainly from a UX perspective | 09:23 |
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| Wolfie | when I activate the screen, nothing invites me to make a phone call, or write a text message | 09:23 |
| Funnyface | Wolfie: that's what I mean about "GUI layout" :P | 09:24 |
| Wolfie | there's just some icons and widgets. One of them might be to the phone app, but that's incidental | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | I don't want a physical phone. they're obsolete :p | 09:24 |
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| luke-jr | my pocket computer should display caller ID info perhaps | 09:24 |
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| luke-jr | but basically it should just route audio to my bluetooth headset in the background | 09:25 |
| lucent | I wish that the "flashlight" torch mode for camera LEDs could be activated more easily | 09:25 |
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| lucent | it used to be possible with flashlight app | 09:25 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, that's so opposite of nokia announcements that unless you can't provide any reference, i just don't buy it.. but I'm happy to change my mind if you can show me an official announcement of n900 without cellular capabilities | 09:26 |
| thresh | lucent: you can still use flashlight app | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: you're catching mice with your N900? o.O | 09:26 |
| Wolfie | luke-jr: i can't remember that. It wasn't really prominent, but the phone capabilities were listed from the very beginning, iirc | 09:26 |
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| Wolfie | i, for one, thought it was just another nokia tablet. | 09:27 |
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| Wolfie | until i researched | 09:27 |
| trip0 | lol | 09:27 |
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| vanadismobile | me too | 09:27 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: I wish! I should have not mentioned it, I'm just excited when my apartment mousetrap kills a poor little creepy mouse | 09:27 |
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| trip0 | it is | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | <lucent> \o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more | 09:27 |
| lucent | thresh: flashlight app seems to have gotten less useful, I must close the camera application before I can use it | 09:27 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, well, in the ux perspective most modern smartphones give exactly the same feeling for me :) | 09:27 |
| trip0 | feeling of being defiled? | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you use the ts to trigger the killing | 09:28 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: "firin ma laser"? | 09:28 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: oh, man, that would be unusual. I was trying to hard to be clever | 09:28 |
| thresh | lucent: i think i had the same in PR1.1 | 09:28 |
| lucent | thresh: I'm PR1.2 now, and "Unable to initialize flashlight. Camera is in use by another application" | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | camera-gui is a PITA | 09:30 |
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| Wolfie | Surfa: indeed they do | 09:30 |
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| Termana | tybollt, killer-laser is coming in PR1.3 | 09:30 |
| Wolfie | Surfa: the latest nokia communicator (e90) did invite me to make phonecalls | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly I don't get it why that shit has to run all the time, exclusively managing the slider and stuff | 09:30 |
| Termana | :P | 09:30 |
| vanadismobile | maybe another application _is_ using the camera? | 09:30 |
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| luke-jr | night | 09:30 |
| Wolfie | and write sms:s | 09:31 |
| thresh | lucent: i mean i had to close cameraapp. and it works here if camera app is on a standby | 09:31 |
| Wolfie | contact shortcuts in the numeric pad, "write sms" menu button, etc... | 09:31 |
| lucent | thresh: oh okay same here, I'm finding that flashlight-app is only useful if I can activate it quickly | 09:31 |
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| lucent | also it used to be great if I can turn some light on to shoot video at night | 09:32 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, ok, that doesn't count me as a modern.. it's ages old :) | 09:32 |
| lucent | now I cannot do this | 09:32 |
| julianh | Hi, does anyone now when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region? | 09:32 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, i can't even remember when it was launced.. :O | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, what is so hard in implementing a sheme like "watch cam slider switch; on 'open' start the app mentioned in line 'camera=foooApp' in mce.ini" | 09:33 |
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| julianh | s/now/know/g | 09:33 |
| infobot | julianh meant: Hi, does anyone know when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region? | 09:33 |
| lucent | julianh: is Taiwan "Global region" ? | 09:33 |
| Funnyface | lucent: hmm yes, I was going to use my N900 to record some video in a burned out house, just to realise the flashlight couldn't be used while recording video.. lol | 09:33 |
| timeless_mbp | julianh: define ready? | 09:33 |
| julianh | I've ssu/207 in sources.list | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that way we could have a nice little app starting the flashlight and popup a menu to select either still or video cam operation | 09:33 |
| julianh | but so far no update available | 09:33 |
| lucent | Funnyface: it used to be workable, in older firmware and app | 09:34 |
| Wolfie | Surfa: it's still a smartphone | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: there's an app (called *focus* somewhat) to start the flashlight during video record | 09:34 |
| julianh | as I understand ssu/203 is for UK, guess that ssu/207 is for taiwan | 09:35 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, yes, but i was talking about _modern_ smartphones, also stated that on my comment | 09:35 |
| Wolfie | alright | 09:35 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, but i'm pretty sure that we both agree and share opinion here so probably no need to continue | 09:35 |
| Trewas | ha, I tried to play a .ogm video file from a mediaserver and was pretty sure it would not work... but n900 opened it in the media player (the music version) and shows the video as the album art, no way to get it fullscreen though | 09:35 |
| Wolfie | Surfa: i strongly disagree! | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: keys 'q' and 'w' iirc | 09:35 |
| Wolfie | (not) | 09:35 |
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| julianh | it has been more than 2 days after the announce... so I want to get it :) | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: manual focus is 'a' and 's' | 09:36 |
| Surfa | trend is however away from the phones in all smartphones :| | 09:36 |
| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: nice, I will check it out | 09:36 |
| Surfa | other functions are coming more important | 09:36 |
| Wolfie | Surfa: yeah. And it's not like I have strong feelings about that. I intended to buy a internet tablet with calling capabilities, and I got what I expected. no complaints here | 09:36 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, me too, not actually buy, but get.. | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: works like a charm, but it kills the flashlight sysmenu button ;-P | 09:37 |
| Surfa | Wolfie, and i'm pretty happy with n900, i can make calls relatively conveniently when needed too | 09:37 |
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| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: well, I guess that's fine. I am going to do a full reflash soon anyway | 09:37 |
| Surfa | I don't talk too much so it suits my needs as a phone too | 09:37 |
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| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: do you remember which catalog it was in by any chance? | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry no | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably *-devel | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | *wow* | 09:40 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: ? | 09:40 |
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| * timeless_mbp found a nokia service which enables devs to actually respond to feedback | 09:40 | |
| * timeless_mbp is dazed | 09:40 | |
| tybollt | and confused... :P | 09:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes! | 09:40 |
| * ruskie is happy | 09:40 | |
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| * timeless_mbp was so certain this could never happen | 09:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | something is wrong in ⊠hrm, helsinki? | 09:41 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: how many managers and other people have to review the response though? | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: given that i sent the bug report last night and got a reply at 8:32am this morning | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the turnaround was <<<1 business day | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | > Thank you for your suggestions. | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | > We will consider them in the very next version. | 09:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | to be fair to my psyche, they only promised to consider them, not to fix them | 09:42 |
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| ruskie | timeless_mbp, that I think is still a lot ;) | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: yeah um⊠i'm going to be dazed for a while | 09:42 |
| tybollt | it concerns me that nokia employees can't talk face to face but have to add a layer of bug-submission in between | 09:43 |
| Surfa | timeless_mbp, really, where is that? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: you've obviously not been drinking with these people | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | no bug submission involved | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | Surfa: sorry, it's nokia confidential or something | 09:43 |
| * ruskie contemplates merging all the various helper scripts he has on his N900 into one superscript | 09:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: this is through an internal system actually, it's roughly equivalent to nokia's betalabs | 09:43 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: Why does all jokes w/ finns always include drinking|sauna? :) | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | it's basically our pre-betalabs | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie's killer ;-P | 09:44 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, ? | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | superscript | 09:44 |
| ruskie | lol | 09:44 |
| ruskie | it's a dead easy thing to do ;) | 09:44 |
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| ruskie | hell... already have half the stuff done | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still of questionable value to have a repartitioning script integrated with a battery monitor, just to take random examples | 09:45 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, naahh didn't meant those ;) | 09:46 |
| ruskie | all the cron scripts | 09:46 |
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| ruskie | emailupdate.sh setprofile.sh resetgprs.sh wifitoggle.sh notify.sh | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm I see | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | reminds me on tols like ip | 09:46 |
| ruskie | http://sprunge.us/PJFY | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or the strange ms crap | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | tools | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ip --sue-my-carrier | 09:47 |
| ruskie | if I merge them then it would be: script function(where function would be one of: emailupdate,setprofile,resetgprs,wifitoggle,notify) | 09:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -make-me-a-sandwich | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh, forgot sudo :-P | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | script --sudo_make-me-a-sandwich | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 09:49 |
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| izzox | hello anone in here? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: you could have several hardlinks to the same script, and decide on 'function' based on $0 ;-D | 09:51 |
| izzox | ??? | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | izzox: obviously not | 09:51 |
| trip0 | i'm not here | 09:51 |
| izzox | ok | 09:51 |
| trip0 | or am i? | 09:51 |
| trip0 | look behind you | 09:51 |
| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, yeah though not a big fan of that ;) | 09:51 |
| izzox | just need someone to help me with the applets | 09:52 |
| trip0 | ask away | 09:52 |
| izzox | i'm tryingwhy?? | 09:52 |
| izzox | why?? | 09:52 |
| izzox | why away?? | 09:52 |
| chittoor | hola! | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | izzox: come to the point | 09:53 |
| trip0 | uh... | 09:53 |
| izzox | ok | 09:53 |
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| Appiah | just ask | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, get to.. | 09:53 |
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| izzox | i'm trying to make an applet which will help monitoring rtcomm from the desktop | 09:53 |
| Appiah | dont ask to ask or if anyone is here | 09:53 |
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| izzox | with stuff such as sending msg from the sesktop | 09:54 |
| izzox | look i'm trying to find help | 09:54 |
| izzox | if you can't leave me alone | 09:54 |
| Appiah | so you need help developing a widget | 09:55 |
| izzox | don't tell me what i got to do over here | 09:55 |
| izzox | yeah that's rigth | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell izzox about question | 09:55 |
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| Appiah | and what's the problem izzox ? | 09:56 |
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| izzox | I got to know where to start | 09:56 |
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| izzox | i'm not developping for maemo5 | 09:56 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_Desktop_Widgets | 09:56 |
| izzox | i can't develop for maemo5 | 09:57 |
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| ruskie | then why are you asking in #maemo? | 09:57 |
| izzox | i don't have it | 09:57 |
| Appiah | get the SDK? | 09:57 |
| izzox | coz i have the os2008 | 09:57 |
| izzox | nope | 09:57 |
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| izzox | if you want you will port it later | 09:57 |
| Appiah | you got the OS2008 SDK? | 09:58 |
| izzox | nope | 09:58 |
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| izzox | the n810 | 09:58 |
| Wolfie | :D | 09:58 |
| Appiah | well thats a start | 09:58 |
| Appiah | get the OS2008/Maemo4 SDK | 09:59 |
| izzox | ok | 09:59 |
| izzox | and what next?? | 09:59 |
| Appiah | start developing | 09:59 |
| izzox | ok ok | 10:00 |
| Appiah | http://maemo.org/development/ ( site is really slow for me) | 10:00 |
| izzox | yeah I think that the server is down | 10:00 |
| Appiah | on the wiki there should be Maemo4 info just like there's info about Maemo5 | 10:00 |
| izzox | onlly talk section works | 10:00 |
| izzox | yeah I saw but | 10:00 |
| izzox | noting about the applets | 10:00 |
| izzox | I mean | 10:01 |
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| izzox | i did not really see | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | usual weekend outage for ointment of the 770s farm | 10:01 |
| Appiah | (is there applets on maemo4?) I never seen 4 so.. | 10:01 |
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| izzox | how about svg clock | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, depends n definition of applet | 10:02 |
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| Appiah | applet =! widget ? | 10:02 |
| izzox | reshearch bat | 10:02 |
| izzox | recherche barre | 10:02 |
| izzox | i don't know | 10:02 |
| izzox | ok | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can have those little icons in systray | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and larger ones on desktop | 10:03 |
| izzox | it's not necessary | 10:03 |
| izzox | all that maters for me | 10:04 |
| izzox | is to get a kind of transparent small window | 10:04 |
| izzox | on the desktop | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i got both on my N810 | 10:04 |
| izzox | like the clock | 10:04 |
| izzox | which will have | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | check how gpe-calendar is doing it | 10:04 |
| izzox | a litle chan where to put characteres like the search bar | 10:05 |
| izzox | yeah that's a great idea | 10:05 |
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| izzox | let melook for that | 10:05 |
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| rm_you | Well, looks like Quim is sending me ANOTHER device. <_< | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | scary | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | what are you doing with the broken ones? | 10:23 |
| hrw | morning | 10:23 |
| tybollt | rm_you: busted your first? | 10:23 |
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| rm_you | tybollt: second | 10:24 |
| rm_you | Stskeeps: sitting on my desk right now... | 10:24 |
| rm_you | Quim keeps claiming he'll have his secretary handle getting them back | 10:24 |
| rm_you | but i keep saying "i havent heard anything, where do i mail these?!" :P | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll end up with a pile of n900s | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:25 |
| rm_you | woooo pile of paperweights | 10:25 |
| Appiah | what's wrong with your n900? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | i could use a broken n900 probably as i can do cold flashing | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:25 |
| tybollt | they bricked or just a silly scratch ona screen? | 10:25 |
| rm_you | i've got high expectations of the next one :P | 10:25 |
| rm_you | first one the USB port fell out | 10:25 |
| rm_you | second one doesn't recognize any battery | 10:25 |
| rm_you | also the keyboard is freaking out | 10:26 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe you're radioactive? | 10:26 |
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| rm_you | <_< | 10:26 |
| tybollt | seems the usb port popping out happens to a fair few people | 10:26 |
| rm_you | the first one works great still if i charge the battery in something else | 10:26 |
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| rm_you | yeah, happened to texrat, i read his post, then THE SAME DAY it happened to me | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: mail them to me! :-) | 10:27 |
| tybollt | epic karma | 10:27 |
| rm_you | lol | 10:27 |
| Gadgetoid_iPad | No USB port fail for me yet- fingers crossed | 10:27 |
| rm_you | yeah i was about to take the first one apart and solder on another usb port | 10:27 |
| tybollt | probably naive on my part but couldn't a bit of neat soldering do the job? | 10:27 |
| Corsac | hmhm I though only summit devices were usb-port failing | 10:27 |
| rm_you | but i decided to just ask Quim for a new one T_T | 10:27 |
| ruskie | my usb port is still as solid as the day I bought it(*knock on wood*) | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: please the one with battery and kbd problems, as I don't care about that | 10:28 |
| rm_you | as opposed to going all Dr. Frankenstein on an n900 that i don't own :P | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | rm_you: maybe he'll come and pick them up in person when he moves to US ;) | 10:28 |
| rm_you | DocScrutinizer: what do you want it for? >_> | 10:28 |
| Gadgetoid_iPad | I wouldn't call it solid, but it's not loose | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: hostmode tortures | 10:28 |
| rm_you | anyway, he did claim that this time she really WILL get them back | 10:28 |
| rm_you | so | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, GAN900 and javispedro said they poked qgil about a new one for me, so maybe.... | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | maemo.org down? | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aledgedly | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | just looks strange for me | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | down for others | 10:30 |
| rm_you | DocScrutinizer: did yours break too? | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: yep, nokia broke my power switch while repairing main ribbon connector ;-P | 10:30 |
| rm_you | T_T | 10:31 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: wtf.. | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | ffs | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but anyway, for hostmode I'd need to 'break' it myself, testing hacked kernels etc. I don't want to lose my daily phone though | 10:31 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I guess you complained about that? | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a developer device came in handy | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | the way how phone behaves in n900 is annoying | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: sure I did | 10:32 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: do you take bug reports? | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so where are you with usb on n900? | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: they need to send it in again. As "nokia broke it, nokia repairs it" even while the care center could probably do the fix in 20 minutes | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: no, i'll do it myself when i'll get fed up enough | 10:33 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: one thing if it was a dev unit but if it was a phone I had bought myself I would have gone all crazy at nokia :) | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: could you tell by schematics which are the serial ports btw | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=678188#post678188 | 10:33 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: aaah so that means you'll be w/out a unit for ERANGE of time... that suck :-| | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: probably I can | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: cos i can't read them | 10:34 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: Yeah this bug is not very hard to detect (the settings window being all mangled :) | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and there's some order to do so, and get a fixture, already in the tube | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: exactly | 10:35 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: i have different bug | 10:35 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I was like to time my sending the unit in w/ my two week vacation abroad ;) | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: that i can't take call if i'm doing anything more cpu intensive | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: because phone goes all slow | 10:35 |
| tybollt | hmm | 10:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: see, I can live with a semi-borked power switch that needs 90s of sensible twiddling to operate. I can't live without a N900 for another 3 weeks | 10:36 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: and it takes like 20s to pick up a call | 10:36 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I entirely see your point... | 10:36 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: ouch :S | 10:36 |
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| jacekowski | that's why i'm starting to consider using normal phone without anything for phone purposes | 10:37 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: first use you get "set as default" popup | 10:37 |
| tybollt | I x:ed it | 10:37 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: how do I get it back? | 10:37 |
| rm_you | yeah | 10:37 |
| rm_you | while browsing, picking up a phonecall can take like 10-15s | 10:37 |
| rm_you | sometimes i almost miss them | 10:37 |
| rm_you | usually i manage tho | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: just use different sim card | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: and it will reappear | 10:38 |
| flux | I wonder if that 20s delay could be not because of lacking CPU, but rather paging in taking a lot of time? | 10:38 |
| tybollt | UGH? | 10:38 |
| ruskie | hm don't have any such issues generally | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | flux: if phone is left doing nothing it takes less time | 10:38 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: awww, there is an option in the options windows for it - but it is greyed out - why? | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: i don't know | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: any news about qgil and the devel devs? (sounds like a kids movie, doesn't it? :-P) For jrbme I for sure * | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | need* another device | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that project includes letting the device sit and (dis)-charge for hours and days | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's definitely something I'm not able to do with just one N900 available :-D | 10:41 |
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| rm_you | well, bbl, flying to San Fransisco in like 6 hours, gonna grab some sleep | 10:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer goes registering "qgil and the devel devs" for 'registerd trademark' | 10:42 | |
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| rm_you | i just can't believe he keeps sending them to me, it's well after the loan period | 10:43 |
| rm_you | <_< | 10:43 |
| rm_you | I do really want to keep working on porting that media player tho | 10:43 |
| rm_you | *sigh* | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: swapping is known to block the whole phone, even the stay-resident realtime scheduled processes | 10:44 |
| rm_you | am actually employed now so much less time | 10:44 |
| ruskie | rm_you, what media player? | 10:44 |
| rm_you | Quasar | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it ported already? | 10:44 |
| rm_you | to n800 | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:44 |
| Wolfie | it's notoriously bad for pet project attention when you get employed :( | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | so why are you getting n900? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:45 |
| rm_you | rofl | 10:45 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: it's the same affliction that happens with normal Linux desktops | 10:45 |
| rm_you | i have an n800 | 10:45 |
| rm_you | but it' | 10:45 |
| flux | docscrutinizer, man, that sucks | 10:45 |
| Ikarus | swap trashing | 10:45 |
| rm_you | it's kinda broken-ish too | 10:45 |
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| flux | docscrutinizer, is it a driver issue or linux kernel issue? | 10:45 |
| rm_you | it shuts off a lot now randomly | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: exactly | 10:45 |
| rm_you | like if i look at it funny, it turns off | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | very genuine linux issue | 10:45 |
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| flux | seems quite strange. I'd imagine the effect should be the same on PCs then as well. (is it?) | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably the kswapd is running with too high priority | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flux: it is | 10:46 |
| flux | how cpu-expensive is accessing the swap's backend device? | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or was, some 3 years ago | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not checked since | 10:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (too much ram since then :-P) | 10:47 |
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| Trewas | apparently n900 is using swappiness at 100 instead of the linux default 60, so the nokia folks really want it to use swap for some reason | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | Trewas: to swap stuff out before ram is needed | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | Trewas: because swapping is expensive | 10:48 |
| Trewas | jacekowski: yes, swapping is expensive, so they want to do that a lot? :) | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | when there are free resources to do so | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they want it be done early | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | not when you need more ram ( which is ussualy when you need more cpu ) | 10:49 |
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| Trewas | maybe that explains why it is so horribly slow when using transmission, it swaps everything out to make room for caching the transfered file | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rather questionable strategy though | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | torrent on phone has to be slow by design | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | it's cpu/io intensive | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | 1.2GHz celeron barely handles 10M/s | 10:50 |
| Trewas | slow was not a good word, "completely dead" would descripe the user experience better | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | Trewas: that's expected | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | Trewas: flash is slow | 10:51 |
| marmoute | Trewas: set proper configuration to limit amount of cache used by yoru bittorent client for checksum | 10:51 |
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| Corsac | not exactly certain of bittorent client on n900 though | 10:52 |
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| Trewas | Corsac: I am not actually regularly using torrents on n900, but I had to get the fringe season final and didn't have a real computer with me .) | 10:53 |
| jacekowski | marmoute: emmc is slow | 10:53 |
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| tybollt | fringe? | 10:54 |
| tybollt | that show is ... UGH | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | marmoute: so that + torrent client == dead phone | 10:54 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: anyway shouldn't it be possible to just delete some .chromium folder someplace to get the question back? | 10:55 |
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| marmoute | jacekowski: how much slow ? | 10:56 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: you're talking about chromium | 11:00 |
| tybollt | of course I am o_O | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: oh, then just delete .chromium | 11:00 |
| tybollt | I always was | 11:00 |
| tybollt | haha | 11:00 |
| tybollt | ok thanks :) | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | marmoute: very slow | 11:00 |
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| tybollt | jacekowski: ah olrite so it does not work to have it set itself as the standard browser :) | 11:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc in January I had a incident where I kept a youtube browser screen in background for half a day. On inbound call the whole machine bacame completely unresponsive after I tried to close the browser in taskswitcher which came up after 3min. took ~2h to recover | 11:06 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, that's annoying | 11:07 |
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| ZogG_N900 | holla | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seen similar thing happen on 128MB and even 512MB P-II 300 maachines | 11:07 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: this _did not_ drain your battery? Impressive... | 11:07 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: that's OOM ussualy | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: for sure it did. but it's been prety charged prior to that | 11:08 |
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| skyscraper | hi | 11:09 |
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| skyscraper | is it possible to play-back the microphone input (via fm transmitter?!) | 11:10 |
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| ZogG_N900 | skyscraper do you want to record radio? | 11:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | i think recall widget ca record from different sources | 11:12 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: that's what usually kills my device. I read online newspapers in the underground, then when I get home I sometimes just fold the keyboard in and pocket the device w/out closing microb, which is then sitting there reloading that newspaper every few minutes and draining away at the batt | 11:12 |
| tybollt | and then after an hour or three the device is dead although I left office/home w/ it fully charged | 11:12 |
| skyscraper | i want to input external audio source from audio port - that playback on fm transmitter | 11:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | tybollt it's dangerous | 11:12 |
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| ZogG_N900 | if n900 would read a lot of newspapers it would get samarter and can kill people | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: now add to that the known memleaking friggin flash and you are where catatony starts | 11:13 |
| tybollt | heh | 11:13 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: ugh flash :( | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | skyscraper: I made fm-tx playback fmrx, so probably playback of mic is similarly possible | 11:15 |
| tybollt | speaking of - do you guys see the Goog initiative to rid us of flash (WebM) actually ridding us of flash anytime soon?= | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: youtube! | 11:15 |
| tybollt | youtubez olready comes in webM dun it? | 11:15 |
| tybollt | if you opt for the HTML5 version | 11:15 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i think so | 11:16 |
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| skyscraper | docscrutinizer51 how did you do that? | 11:16 |
| jave | hello | 11:16 |
| jave | I'm totaly new to the n900. can someone recomend a list of interesting free software repositories? | 11:17 |
| izzox | Try Extra | 11:17 |
| pupnik | topic has some | 11:17 |
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| jave | Thanks | 11:18 |
| tybollt | jave: mozilla repo and then get firefox 1.2 | 11:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 is waiting for somebody coming up 9847th time with the idea to sigstop all processes in background, which for obvious reasons is a bad idea | 11:18 | |
| skyscraper | how did you made fmrx 2 fmtx?? | 11:18 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: Hey - praps if we SIGSTOP all the procs ina background - it'll be just fine? | 11:18 |
| jave | also, id like to ssh to the n900 through usb | 11:18 |
| * tybollt will soon get kicked - see you ;) | 11:19 | |
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| tybollt | Please it was a joke... | 11:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: sorry, for unknown reason N900 decide to go offline :-S | 11:20 |
| skyscraper | np | 11:20 |
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| skyscraper | i'm online via n900 umts too :D | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: I simply started FMRX then switched on fmtx, ignoring all warnings and "won't work with(out) cables plugged in" notifications | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | (n900) yeah but this is WLAN here, same router this laptop is linked to | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably neighbour's microwave oven | 11:22 |
| skyscraper | hm. but i dont have a program which can playback mic. only recorder | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that's your main problem | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | try 'arecord|aplay' or sth like that | 11:23 |
| skyscraper | maybe its possible to open mic device via gstreamer?! | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or that | 11:23 |
| skyscraper | but dont know where mic is | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | arecord -lL should help | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | also alsamixer | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or amixer? | 11:24 |
| skyscraper | n900 has pulseaudio. dont know anything about that | 11:24 |
| Termana | tybollt, but the n900 has no WebM support currently so :P "rid you of" is subjective. Though n900 probably can't use most flash sites either now with no 10.1 | 11:24 |
| skyscraper | alsa? thougt pulse?! | 11:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper: at least the mixer settings are handled by alsamixer afaik | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need a -c0 parameter iirc | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there are similar cmdline tools to arecord and aplay for PA (don't ask me names) | 11:26 |
| skyscraper | card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 []n Subdevices: 1/1n Subdevice #0: subdevice #0ncard 0: RX51 [RX51], device 1: Bluetooth Bluetooth codec-I2S-1 []n Subdevices: 1/1n Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 | 11:26 |
| skyscraper | think its the aic? | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 11:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember this very usecase (mic -> FMTX) being discussed and put to work several times, here in IRC | 11:28 |
| skyscraper | arecord cant pla | 11:29 |
| skyscraper | y | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | searchstring walkietalkie | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | arecord is for record ;-D | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | though actually arecord and aplay is the same executable, just with different names hardlinked | 11:30 |
| Psi | so, im about to update to 1.2, how much freespace do i need in root? | 11:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rumor has it you need 45MB | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 48 | 11:31 |
| skyscraper | i needed ca 45 mb | 11:31 |
| Psi | i have 41 | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | please see /topic | 11:31 |
| skyscraper | but ota wont work if openarena installed | 11:31 |
| Psi | i looked at the topic, but both those urls dont work for me | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 770 farm down for ointment | 11:32 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: 'farm'? | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | server farm | 11:32 |
| tybollt | you have a 770 server farm? :D | 11:32 |
| tybollt | that's nice :) | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: nah, don't you know nokia built maemo.org site with the remaining 770 ? | 11:33 |
| jave | hey, ssh to n900 was super simple! | 11:33 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :P | 11:33 |
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| tybollt | jave: ? is ssh usualy very hard to use? | 11:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: and every weekend they are stopped and get a drop of good mineral oil, so they don't start to screech | 11:34 |
| jave | nah was dead easy | 11:34 |
| jave | I'm impressed | 11:34 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: >:) | 11:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects jave is a happy new N900 owner | 11:35 | |
| Psi | heh | 11:35 |
| jave | yay! | 11:35 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: are there such - really? | 11:35 |
| Appiah | happy owners? :) | 11:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 11:35 |
| jave | I had a freerunner, I'm easily imressed :) | 11:35 |
| Psi | haha | 11:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer hides :-P | 11:35 | |
| Psi | same | 11:35 |
| hrw | jave: thats explain a lot | 11:36 |
| jave | I have 2 in fact | 11:36 |
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| hrw | I have 2 neo1973 | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | need another dozen? XP | 11:36 |
| jave | lol | 11:36 |
| hrw | but never tried to use them as normal phone | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wise | 11:37 |
| frals | just me or is planet maemo refusing to load the css? | 11:37 |
| jave | my wife wouldnt let me use it as a phone, so I had to get someting else | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | wonder why.. | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: ack | 11:37 |
| tybollt | word is Freerunners are being shipped to africa for laying brick roads... | 11:37 |
| Psi | i dont think the battery lasts long enough for that | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: borked since at least 18h | 11:37 |
| thresh | i'd like having a freerunner | 11:37 |
| frals | doh | 11:37 |
| thresh | tought luck they never imported those to .ru | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | though for wiki here | 11:38 |
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| jave | I stripped down one to use as a wrist computer | 11:38 |
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| jave | got a bit hot though | 11:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | who is from n900 currently | 11:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | can anyone try to type symbol | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-28 07:27:24] <DocScrutinizer> yep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css | 11:38 |
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| ZogG_N900 | the one for bot command | 11:38 |
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| ZogG_N900 | from ukrbd | 11:39 |
| Psi | symbol? | 11:39 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i can't type it cause i'm from n900 | 11:39 |
| frals | ~? | 11:39 |
| ZogG_N900 | yes | 11:40 |
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| ZogG_N900 | this one | 11:40 |
| frals | just fn+sym to bring they virtual kb up | 11:40 |
| frals | and press it and then space | 11:40 |
| Psi | ~ is called tilde | 11:40 |
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| ZogG_N900 | trying in xchat it disappear | 11:40 |
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| Psi | you can change the key bindinds if you feel like editing a file | 11:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | ~hm | 11:40 |
| infobot | I wonder... | 11:40 |
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| ZogG_N900 | but try from ukbrd | 11:41 |
| ZogG_N900 | not the fn+ctrl | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ukbrd? | 11:41 |
| Psi | ^ | 11:41 |
| ZogG_N900 | ukeyboard | 11:41 |
| ZogG_N900 | onscreenkeyboard | 11:41 |
| Psi | oh | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 11:41 |
| Psi | heh, ive never used that | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 11:41 |
| Psi | it was pretty badly layed out | 11:42 |
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| Psi | i saw a pic of it | 11:42 |
| tybollt | ~woot | 11:42 |
| infobot | \o/ | 11:42 |
| tybollt | Ôrly | 11:42 |
| tybollt | ~orly | 11:42 |
| infobot | YARLY | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~test hit twice works | 11:43 |
| infobot | Testing hit twice works... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ | 11:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, fixed the driver yet? :P | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG_N900: hit tilde twice, ignore the blue one | 11:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG_: morning | 11:44 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer51: huhu, my sd is back | 11:45 |
| ZogG_N900 | but what is this blue one | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG_N900: notification of deadkey entere | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | d | 11:45 |
| Shapeshifter | does --purge delete config files/savegames of openttd? | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | enter e.g a n and you'll get ñ | 11:46 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: i put the micro sd into an card reader and pulled it into an mac book. all data was there not deleted, i put it back to N900 nothing. I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade some python thingies came in and hildon addons and some libs directly after flashing, and then it worked again | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strange | 11:47 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping | 11:48 |
| zaheerm | TomaszD, pong | 11:48 |
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| tybollt | ~~ | 11:48 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, ~ is the key | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ghostcube: anyway apt-get upgrade is strongly deprecated | 11:49 |
| pupnik_ | it is funny to do with pr1.2 | 11:49 |
| tybollt | didn't someone dist-upgrade and break his device? | 11:49 |
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| pupnik_ | i did it and phone/contacts/3g is not working | 11:49 |
| tybollt | -> NSU :) | 11:49 |
| pupnik_ | but the whole upgrade did install finally :) | 11:49 |
| tybollt | or flasher or whatever | 11:50 |
| skyscraper | hm dont understand alsa :( | 11:50 |
| pupnik_ | ask questions | 11:50 |
| skyscraper | /proc/asound seems to be interesting | 11:51 |
| Shapeshifter | How can install a package from extras when it's both in extras and extras-devel? | 11:51 |
| Psi | ok, so what is safe to delete on root to free up some space? | 11:51 |
| pupnik_ | skyscraper: so is pulseaudio | 11:51 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Psi | 11:52 |
| pupnik_ | now figure out how they relate | 11:52 |
| Psi | Appiah: yeah, but wiki.maemo.org is down | 11:52 |
| Appiah | works for me | 11:52 |
| Psi | not working here | 11:52 |
| Appiah | it's just no style | 11:52 |
| Psi | just times out | 11:52 |
| Appiah | apt-get clean | 11:52 |
| Appiah | apt-get autoremove | 11:53 |
| Appiah | etc | 11:53 |
| Psi | still 41mb | 11:53 |
| Appiah | http://pastebin.com/VYDr8s04 Psi | 11:53 |
| Appiah | here you go :D | 11:53 |
| Psi | thanks | 11:53 |
| skyscraper | dont understand anything only want a "bridge" between mic capture and playback device | 11:54 |
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| Psi | thats better, 54MB with extra-devel disabled | 11:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | morning DocScrutinizer51 | 11:55 |
| * noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG_ | 11:55 | |
| Xexplorer | hi, is there a rescue boot image for the N900? | 11:55 |
| * MohammadAG_ throws frals at noobmonk3y | 11:55 | |
| noobmonk3y | Xexplorer, you mean flashing it? :) | 11:56 |
| * noobmonk3y w00000ts | 11:56 | |
| FredrIQ | What time is it in gmt+1 (+summertime)? maybe i've do smth with my clock.. | 11:56 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer51: on an debian system apt-get upgrade is not wanted o.O | 11:56 |
| FredrIQ | hm | 11:56 |
| FredrIQ | nvm | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y | almost 11am i'd say | 11:57 |
| skyscraper | gmt+1 summer : 10:56 | 11:57 |
| ghostcube | i always do apt-get for my updates | 11:57 |
| Xexplorer | no, i want a rescue image for playing with it | 11:57 |
| FredrIQ | ty skyscraper | 11:57 |
| noobmonk3y | rescue image? | 11:57 |
| skyscraper | german? | 11:57 |
| noobmonk3y | you can have the flash image easily, not sure what you mean | 11:57 |
| pupnik_ | das deutschen are gestoomphen on ze maemo | 11:58 |
| * noobmonk3y sticks a carrot up frals nose | 11:58 | |
| Xexplorer | ja | 11:58 |
| ghostcube | ach was | 11:58 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 11:58 |
| noobmonk3y | i used to live in hamburg :) | 11:58 |
| ghostcube | :) hamburger royal ts | 11:59 |
| ghostcube | iam hungry | 11:59 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 11:59 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 11:59 |
| pupnik_ | i likes germany | 11:59 |
| skyscraper | ui ne menge deutsche hier :d | 11:59 |
| ghostcube | jo | 11:59 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks infobot needs a hand from googletranslatebot | 11:59 | |
| pupnik_ | ich bin hesse. un nix mehr | 11:59 |
| skyscraper | wenn mir jetzt noch einer helfen kann is er gut | 11:59 |
| ghostcube | ich bin pĂ€lzer also geh heim koch jĂŒngling :P | 11:59 |
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| Xexplorer | lol such halt nen image mit ssh um immer aufs "900 zu kommen | 12:00 |
| pupnik_ | skyscraper: i have run a gstreamer script that echoes mic to speakers | 12:00 |
| ghostcube | Xexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :) | 12:00 |
| skyscraper | yeah nice! where is that script? | 12:00 |
| pupnik_ | and the commandline is in the #maemo logs. :) | 12:01 |
| Xexplorer | i wan't to have a second working small system | 12:01 |
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| ghostcube | anyone can explain to m, why its not good to use apt-get on an debian system, | 12:01 |
| Psi | has anyone got samba server running? | 12:02 |
| ghostcube | :O no would be cool where is it | 12:02 |
| pupnik_ | ghostcube: apparently the pr1.2 install doesnt use apt to set up scripts in the proper order/way | 12:02 |
| ghostcube | aha, will this be changed ? | 12:02 |
| skyscraper | Xexplorer nimm den programmmanager und installier den ssh sevrer?? | 12:02 |
| ghostcube | hab ich doch schon gesagt ... | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | das mag er nit | 12:03 |
| pupnik_ | dunno. i upgraded and broke a lot of stuff. irssi still works tho :) | 12:03 |
| skyscraper | where oO | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | hmmm iupgraded and broke nthing lol i reanabled my sd card | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | <ghostcube> Xexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :) | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | da | 12:03 |
| pupnik_ | what ghostcube - phone works?? | 12:03 |
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| ghostcube | pupnik_: like charm | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | 3g 2g all | 12:03 |
| skyscraper | pupnik_ dont you know the gstreamer command anymore? | 12:03 |
| ghostcube | everything works fine, after an upgrade and an dist-upgrade | 12:04 |
| Xexplorer | das hab ich'aber wenn dich bei den bootscripten fehler baue muss ich ja trotzdem irgendwie aufs gerÀt kommen ohne zu flashen | 12:04 |
| skyscraper | ghostcube gibs denn ne andere lösung fĂŒr ssh?! oO | 12:04 |
| pupnik_ | i dont know it. just pupnik+gstreamer and maybe microphone | 12:04 |
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| ghostcube | skyscraper: normal nich | 12:04 |
| skyscraper | lol | 12:04 |
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| skyscraper | ghostcube was er will geht nich | 12:04 |
| Xexplorer | halt nen 2. system booten um das 1. zu fixen | 12:05 |
| ghostcube | i know, you know, he needs time to know :D | 12:05 |
| skyscraper | zur bootzeit nen ssh haben?! | 12:05 |
| ghostcube | Xexplorer: fail! du musst bei sonem hammer fehler neu flashen | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this is an english channel | 12:05 |
| ghostcube | mach backup vorher aber nich auf die sd karte lol | 12:05 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: sorry .. | 12:05 |
| hrw | ghostcube: ja, naturlisch | 12:05 |
| Psi | so its saying that all files in the device memory will be removed durning the update. Does that mean its going to wipe it? | 12:05 |
| Xexplorer | fĂŒrs 800 er gibts das | 12:05 |
| skyscraper | lol | 12:06 |
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| ghostcube | Xexplorer: can you may talk english again | 12:06 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer51: is getting pissed | 12:06 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:06 |
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| skyscraper | install mer to sd card :p | 12:07 |
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| Xexplorer | on N800 is a bootmanager and image to boot a rescue system to fix the main one | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | use mer | 12:07 |
| skyscraper | then you can but mer and fix your probs | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | or fedora | 12:07 |
| ghostcube | o.O no idea if this wqorking on N900 | 12:07 |
| dneary | Hi | 12:07 |
| Xexplorer | thats what im looking for | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | it is... | 12:07 |
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| skyscraper | *bootmanager | 12:08 |
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| skyscraper | xexplorer install n900 bootmanage3 and mer on sd | 12:08 |
| Xexplorer | ok i ll have a look on mer | 12:08 |
| ghostcube | woah this new display keyboard drives me nuts | 12:09 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 12:09 |
| skyscraper | its very easy - im running it too@xexplorer | 12:09 |
| skyscraper | ive installed mer and then lxde. looks nice | 12:10 |
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| Xexplorer | tnx so far ill come back if it works, but ive not found a howto yet | 12:10 |
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| Xexplorer | cya | 12:11 |
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| skyscraper | f... crashed microb | 12:11 |
| skyscraper | ah yeah. there i can read maemo logs | 12:11 |
| skyscraper | pupnik_ | 12:11 |
| pupnik_ | i couldnt find it skyscraper | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | ovi update up? | 12:12 |
| skyscraper | :( | 12:12 |
| dneary | weird. IRC working fine, HTTP not giving me anything | 12:13 |
| dneary | And DNS looks to be working OK | 12:13 |
| Surfa | close and reopen browser doesn't help? | 12:13 |
| dneary | And *.maemo.org isn't responding to pings at all... | 12:13 |
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| Surfa | and all web sites do the same? | 12:14 |
| pupnik_ | nonetheless, pupnik wishes dneary a nice day | 12:14 |
| skyscraper | maybe under another nick @ pupnik | 12:14 |
| dneary | pupnik_, Thanks | 12:14 |
| dneary | Mmmm. | 12:14 |
| dneary | Just looks broken | 12:14 |
| dneary | really weird that IRC is working | 12:14 |
| * tybollt hands dneary a cupa joe... this gone be a bad day to be dneary - eh? :) | 12:15 | |
| skyscraper | or mayber@ #maemo-devel? | 12:15 |
| dneary | tybollt, Nah | 12:15 |
| tybollt | or whoever handles the site... | 12:16 |
| tybollt | :) | 12:16 |
| dneary | tybollt, It's always a good day to be me :) | 12:16 |
| tybollt | ;) | 12:16 |
| dneary | It's not just *.maemo.org - just seems like some weird gateways stuff going on | 12:16 |
| tybollt | ah ok... | 12:16 |
| dneary | And I guess I was lucky to connect to IRC servers before it fell over | 12:16 |
| tybollt | hosting cockup then? | 12:16 |
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| jave | is tangogps in some repos? | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/mohammad/Desktop/ubuntu-chroot mount -t proc proc /proc <-- any ideas? | 12:20 |
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| hrw | jave: universe | 12:21 |
| hrw | 0.99.3+debian-2 0 | 12:21 |
| hrw | 700 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages | 12:21 |
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| Appiah | hmmm did the PR1.2 include the turnbyturn ovi maps? | 12:22 |
| tybollt | no | 12:22 |
| jave | hrw: Thanks. how can I add universe from cmd line? my debian is a bit rusty | 12:22 |
| tybollt | Appiah: updated ovi maps, but !t-by-t | 12:22 |
| SpeedEvil | maps got sat-view though | 12:23 |
| Appiah | sigh | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 12:23 |
| Scelt | sure not | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | jave: you mean repository? | 12:23 |
| jave | jacekowski: ye | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | can someone post their rootfs 1k block size? | 12:23 |
| hrw | jave: edit /etc/apt/sources.list | 12:23 |
| jave | ok | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | jave: add it using app manager | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | mine's 232868, but someone has it as 233344, which bugs me a bit | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jave: use appmanager to add repos | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: / size will vary somewhat due to factory bad blocks | 12:25 |
| visz | 233224 here | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and I suppose that can't be fixed right? | 12:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no | 12:27 |
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| MohammadAG | "GSM Arena has announced MeeGo 1.0..." <-- the way some users word their threads amazes me | 12:28 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: jaja that's for netbooks | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | burrrps | 12:29 |
| hrw | n900 meego image got something other then xterminal? | 12:29 |
| pupnik_ | but they didnt announce it | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, I know... | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, but Nokia announced their stuff, not some other site | 12:29 |
| tybollt | pupnik_: these days you announce via Jizzmodo and Enspanket | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: cat /sys/class/ubi/ubi0/bad_peb_count | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 1 | 12:30 |
| * Psi waits while phone updates | 12:30 | |
| MohammadAG | 4 | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Shows the number of initially marked bad blocks. | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It's specced at something like 25 max IIRC | 12:31 |
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| pupnik_ | tybollt: getting old is weird. you stop caring about so many things. | 12:32 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil, MohammadAG: 1 | 12:32 |
| hrw | 4 | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 0 \o/ | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | who's got less? | 12:34 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: amount of perfectly fine working pwrbuttons? :P | 12:34 |
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| Wolfie | yay, 0 here too | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | silly game :-) | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | 0 | 12:45 |
| ghostcube | :) | 12:45 |
| skyscraper | pupnik_ st-launch autoaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink | 12:46 |
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| phellarv | pupnik_: Wrong - The older I get, the more I care about the little things. And the big things too, come to think of it. | 12:47 |
| skyscraper | *gst-launch | 12:47 |
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| pupnik_ | i said OLD, phellarv | 12:48 |
| skyscraper | argh! | 12:48 |
| phellarv | pupnik_: I'm old. | 12:48 |
| skyscraper | fm tx wont work while on headset?! | 12:48 |
| ghostcube | iam older o.o | 12:48 |
| phellarv | Hehe | 12:48 |
| pupnik_ | visit nursing home. document number of subjects they care about. get back to us | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | skyscraper: allegedly not. but maybe the OS fails to enforce that restriction | 12:50 |
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| pupnik_ | is there a way to restart browser daemon | 12:52 |
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| ghostcube | what does driver sd neds update mean in my dmesg backlogs o.O | 12:52 |
| ghostcube | maybe the reason for my sd lose yesterday? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | ignore it, appears everywhere | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: It's irrelevant. | 12:53 |
| Mbere | how do i get the application manager to work over wifi connection? | 12:53 |
| ghostcube | thx | 12:53 |
| Mbere | the connection i use requires proxy with userame and password | 12:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: It means you need to submit a patch for the SD driver, but it's a really low priority. :) | 12:53 |
| phellarv | Mbere: Disconnect from your Mobile-connection? | 12:53 |
| ghostcube | SpeedEvil: oki :) | 12:53 |
| Mbere | i can browse the net but i can't download anyting using the application manager | 12:53 |
| ghostcube | you set an proxy for the inet connection in extended settings dialog? | 12:54 |
| phellarv | Mbere: Some Evil FW/Proxy thingabillybong inbetween then? | 12:54 |
| skyscraper | can i force on fmtx? | 12:54 |
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| Mbere | phellarv: yeah but where is the option of proxy username and password | 12:55 |
| phellarv | skyscraper: Probably - Something under /proc/* | 12:55 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3783 | 12:56 |
| povbot` | Bug 3783: Metabug about Applications ignoring Proxy settings | 12:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | see that Mbere | 12:56 |
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| phellarv | Mbere: export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/ (And start HAM from xterm) | 12:56 |
| ghostcube | woah .... for all eu inhabitants its OT but it makes you sick | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7134077.ece | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 12:57 |
| Mbere | ahhh :( | 12:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Err - no. | 12:57 |
| ghostcube | -.- thats true | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive. | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | but we buy them with our taxes for them | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | its not the pad itself | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: If 4m measurably improves performance - perhaps with some custom apps - it's a net win | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | ghostcube: who cares about multitasking when you're a MEP anyway, your secretary handles it | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | :D | 12:58 |
| ghostcube | but we pay it | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: You are also implicitly arguing that they should do all secetarial work themselves too. | 12:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Sometimes people are more efficient at their jobs with more stuff. | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | ghostcube: and the move once in a while to strassburg | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:59 |
| tybollt | ghostcube: yeah fuck that - that is outrageous :( | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | iam an tax consultant i know about the eu MEP guys | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | and i hate how they use my taxes | 12:59 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 12:59 |
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| ghostcube | specially if they bring it stevie baby | 13:00 |
| tybollt | ghostcube: nevermind bruxxels <-> strasbourg... :-| | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | hehe | 13:00 |
| tybollt | that is the worst part of EU all together... | 13:00 |
| marmoute | "< SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive." --> ROFL | 13:00 |
| tybollt | the 541897512387827482391758947189572389 EUR we spend each month to move between | 13:00 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:01 |
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| Bluewind | does the backup prog really only backup applications installed using HAM and not apt-get? | 13:02 |
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| phellarv | Bluewind: Mmm | 13:02 |
| marmoute | SpeedEvil: iPad price is Half component half marging | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | marmoute: Err - so? | 13:02 |
| ZogG_N900 | so where is my ovistore? | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | marmoute: So are most successful devices. | 13:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | marmoute: Comparatively inexpensive, compared to an hours paid secetarial time. | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | apple is an hype no one knows what caused it -.- | 13:03 |
| phellarv | ZogG_N900: It ran that way ------> | 13:03 |
| marmoute | SpeedEvil: so what do you mean by comparatively inexpensive ? | 13:03 |
| ghostcube | but i knew that if the hype gets on the viruses will spread :D | 13:03 |
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| Psi | so far so good, update seems to have worked, its currently reinstalling all the apps | 13:04 |
| DarkAvenger | doh, ipad margins are NOTHING like the iphone | 13:04 |
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| DarkAvenger | buying it from foxconn for $150, sell it for 500-600+ | 13:04 |
| DarkAvenger | apple is making a killing | 13:04 |
| Psi | killing is right | 13:04 |
| Psi | they are working the people to death | 13:04 |
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| ZogG_N900 | viva la apple | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Foxconn is killing people | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | yeah newtons apple | 13:05 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 13:05 |
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| DarkAvenger | DocScrutinizer: literally | 13:05 |
| Psi | ^^^ | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but they got fences now on the windows, to stop that annoying habit of jumping out at the 5th floor | 13:06 |
| phellarv | Tbh - The Apple guys have lots of really cool and innovative ideas - But it's a terribly sad way of putting them into use. | 13:06 |
| DarkAvenger | the arbitrary $100 price jump for every storage increase is fun too | 13:06 |
| ZogG_N900 | it so stupid to jump of 5th floor | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway Foxconn is bulding iPhones :-P | 13:07 |
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| DarkAvenger | considering that a 32 gb flash module costs what? 10 more dollars than a 16 one | 13:07 |
| pupnik_ | funny how this 'news' went viral | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i would jump from 1st floor :D | 13:07 |
| tybollt | pupnik_: and you don't care - please reitterate that - we didn't hear you the first time :P | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | nah from garage to first floor | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | so jump up | 13:08 |
| ghostcube | :D | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | DarkAvenger: You don't get to complain about this. | 13:08 |
| ZogG_N900 | i want shazam. and nokia has it btw | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | DarkAvenger: Unless you bring to market a competing device cheaper. | 13:08 |
| ZogG_N900 | what are they waiting for ) | 13:08 |
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| DarkAvenger | im not complaining, just pointing it out | 13:08 |
| ZogG_N900 | speedevil there cheap chineephones | 13:09 |
| ZogG_N900 | there are* | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: generally not feature competitive. | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG_N900: Point me out one with flash, 32G, 256M, 600MHz omap... , 3g (or better) | 13:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | amm | 13:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | there was something on android | 13:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | there was post on tmo | 13:10 |
| Shapeshifter | So, where can I change the color settings for the x terminal shipped with the n900? not just fg/bg but more like Xdefaults or something | 13:10 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, it doesn't sadly support those | 13:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | from phone so can't search for it | 13:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | shapeshifter config files | 13:11 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, someone needs to port over urxvt and make it work like osso-xterm with the stuff | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Feature compatible also includes warranty | 13:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | ruskie: :/ I was thinking about porting urxvt but deb packaging is such a hassle | 13:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | speedevil oh sorry it was like ipad | 13:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | but there are phones too | 13:12 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, it would need more than just repackage | 13:12 |
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| ZogG_N900 | speedevil so if it doesn't work i can complain? | 13:12 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: why? there's an ARM debian package | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: I've never seen a comparable phone from china. Even neglecting the whole linux thing. | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Or if it stops working in 9 months, you can get it fixed free. | 13:12 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, you lack a menu, a quick access bar for those all important missing keys | 13:12 |
| ghostcube | guys a question, is skype video call only working if both do have a cam o.O | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder who makes the first chatroulette n900 app | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 13:13 |
| ghostcube | will he be banned for lifetime? | 13:13 |
| ruskie | all eternity | 13:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | speedevil that is one thing. u can tell abot anyphone. iphone got to my country officially not too long ago. there were no way to repair before | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: the only onscreen key I use regularly is TAB and that can be bound to something | 13:14 |
| pupnik_ | tybollt: i meant it as an observation on how older people begin to focus. maybe a techniqa | 13:15 |
| Ikarus | Shapeshifter: it is bound to ctrl+i by default :P | 13:15 |
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| pupnik_ | ue to learn | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | and maybe esc | 13:15 |
| strcpy | any idea why N900`s default browser stopped working after PR 1.2 upgrade? | 13:15 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, | > pgup/pgdn ~ sticky ctrl and tab | 13:15 |
| ZogG_N900 | ctrl+i in xchat separete tabs in separete windows ) | 13:16 |
| marmoute | strcpy: because timeless_mbp don't like you. | 13:16 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, I guess you didn't do much with terminals | 13:16 |
| marmoute | strcpy: what do you mean by "stop working" ? | 13:16 |
| marmoute | strcpy: I have some refresh issue but It's still usable. | 13:16 |
| strcpy | firefox works like before, but trying to open default browser leads to minor cpu spike and then nothing | 13:16 |
| marmoute | strcpy: how did you upgrade ? | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | strcpy: are you using something stupid like browserswitchboard? | 13:17 |
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| strcpy | what I did recently bricked phone , flashed maemo firmware > updated by nokia software update . | 13:17 |
| phellarv | strcpy: Open X-Term - Run browser - See output | 13:17 |
| DarkAvenger | so i guess N900 can't do X rotation that well. browser portrait scrolling still as choppy as in 1.1 | 13:18 |
| phellarv | strcpy: Open X-Term - Write "browser" - Press Enter - See output | 13:18 |
| strcpy | yea seems on switchboard, cus "browser" outputs switchborad is already running | 13:18 |
| phellarv | Mmm | 13:18 |
| DarkAvenger | i have an eye for these things... even the slightest screen tearing bothers me ;/ | 13:18 |
| ghostcube | why does programm manager not show the same updates as apt-get upgrade ? | 13:19 |
| ghostcube | has been since 1.1.1 here | 13:19 |
| strcpy | killing switchboard process won`t either help | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: I have a dozen terminals open on my pc ^^ I have pgup/pgdown on fn-up/fn-down, | on fn-c, [] on shift-up/shift-down on my n900. what do you need sticky ctrl for? modal hotkeys work without that | 13:20 |
| strcpy | microb opens,cpu spike, & death.. | 13:20 |
| marmoute | what is switchboard | 13:20 |
| phellarv | apt-get remove --purge browser-switchboard | 13:20 |
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| strcpy | phellarv: isn`t switchboard default app provided on firmware? | 13:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: you can fix any of that with some xkbmap tweaking | 13:21 |
| phellarv | strcpy: Nope | 13:21 |
| lcuk | DarkAvenger, however do you cope on desktop? on every machine i have flash video tears horribly | 13:21 |
| strcpy | so where do it come from ? installing firefox? | 13:21 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, not an option | 13:21 |
| phellarv | strcpy: 3.2-1fremantle1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) | 13:22 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: it would be an option for me, hence a simple port would be enough. maybe I should give it a try tonight | 13:22 |
| DarkAvenger | lcuk with nvidia vsync enabled, compiz vsync enabled, and the other gl sync option which i cant remember enabled i get no tearing | 13:22 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, repackaging isn't really a problem though | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | lucky you :) when im playing with my toys on maemo i also get no tearing | 13:23 |
| phellarv | strcpy: Correct - Fennec wants browser switchboard | 13:23 |
| DarkAvenger | its only portrait browsing on maemo | 13:23 |
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| strcpy | phellarv, thanks for your comment. it solved the problem :) | 13:24 |
| strcpy | I've another issue after upgrade. although extra-protocol support for telepathy installed and I`m using it, | 13:25 |
| strcpy | but while update or APT works, I`m still getting dependency errors about it`s failure in "--configure" | 13:26 |
| strcpy | let me pastebin it | 13:26 |
| strcpy | phellarv, http://pastebin.com/G8XaejXT | 13:27 |
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| frals | X-Fade: static.maemo.org seems borked | 13:29 |
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| phellarv | strcpy: apt-get -f install | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | DarkAvenger: tried opera? | 13:33 |
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| Khertan_atWork | Hi ! | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | yo Khertan_atWork | 13:34 |
| DarkAvenger | no but i will | 13:34 |
| strcpy | phellarv, tryed it before. not help | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen noobmonk3y | 13:34 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-180-16-221.range86-180.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 35m 41s ago, saying: 'lol'. | 13:34 |
| Khertan_atWork | heya crashanddie ! | 13:35 |
| strcpy | phellarv, result : http://pastebin.com/MMrHS6gT | 13:35 |
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| ruskie | Shapeshifter, https://repo.codemages.net/opt/rxvt-unicode_7.9-2_armel.deb no perl rebuilt... try it out | 13:36 |
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| phellarv | strcpy: dpkg --configure account-plugin-salut | 13:42 |
| BT_ | hi, I want to port maemo on my beagleboard C3. suggest some links, guide | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | BT_: omappedia.org | 13:44 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: nice, but there's a problem with installing it: short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/maemo/usr/bin/urxvtd') | 13:44 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: (error processing) | 13:45 |
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| dridkuser | hi,how can i share my 3g connection from my n900 to my macos ? | 13:47 |
| pupnik_ | dridkuser: hotspot | 13:47 |
| Wolfie | doesn't joikuspot exist for n900? | 13:47 |
| Ikarus | Wolfie: it costs money and doesn't do anything more then hotspot does | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | hotspot makes n900 hot! | 13:48 |
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| dridkuser | hotspot? is it an app? | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (as would jokiospot) | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:48 |
| Wolfie | alright | 13:48 |
| dridkuser | where ? | 13:48 |
| Wolfie | out of devel/testing? | 13:48 |
| dridkuser | i cannot find it in my repository | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's in extras-testing | 13:49 |
| Wolfie | aww :/ | 13:49 |
| dridkuser | im looking for | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | err - no | 13:50 |
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| Wolfie | hm, well this sucks | 13:51 |
| dridkuser | extradevel | 13:51 |
| Wolfie | when there are multiple updates avaialble, and there's a list of stuff to upload, i would've expected to select those I want, and then just press "update" for all of them | 13:51 |
| Wolfie | now i must update either all, or each individually | 13:51 |
| Wolfie | ...and once it's updated one, it does some kind of checking and locks the ui for a moment | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Add a bug! | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Adding bugs is fun! | 13:52 |
| Wolfie | i respectfully disagree | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (Though search to see if it exists first) | 13:52 |
| Wolfie | (i.e. i can't be bothered to create yet another username) | 13:52 |
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| jave | is ther an Emacs for n900 in some repos? | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:22 |
| thresh | n900 only allows one OS at a time :( | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qemacs/0.3.1.cvs.20050713-7f/ | 14:23 |
| ghostcube | thresh: apple allows only one app at one time :P | 14:23 |
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| jave | I get google hits of ppl running a proper emacs on n900, I just didnt see if it was packaged | 14:24 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, no problem here | 14:24 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, I did install it from the repo not manually download it | 14:24 |
| jave | ill suppose ill have to set up a build chain | 14:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | apt-get install emacs does not work | 14:26 |
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| ruskie | Shapeshifter, but anyway a few issues: can't scroll up, paste, no special chars easily available | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-cache search ".*emacs.*" | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | mksh - enhanced version of the Korn shell | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | erlang-tools - Erlang/OTP various tools | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | huh? | 14:28 |
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| smoku | mksh? make shell? :D | 14:30 |
| BT_ | getting error when I do sb-conf st maemo-beagle -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -d cputransp:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t qemu-arm-cvs-m | 14:30 |
| smoku | mkfs, mkdir, mktemp, mksh | 14:31 |
| BT_ | no such devkit: cputransp | 14:31 |
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| cehteh | jave: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B8%E6%922%E5%A4%96%EFC%9AGNU%20Emacs%20for%20Nokia%20N900.html | 14:32 |
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| cehteh | err google yourself | 14:32 |
| cehteh | its packaged but not in the repos | 14:33 |
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| jave | ntx | 14:35 |
| jave | Thanks | 14:35 |
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| cehteh | in EasyDebian you have emacs too | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | what music is #maemo listening too this morning? | 14:36 |
| cehteh | the sound of some computer fans here :P | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I am listening to Prince and Lady Gaga. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: gogol bordello | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:37 |
| tybollt | NiN - Closer? | 14:37 |
| smoku | Crystal Method | 14:37 |
| tybollt | dimu borgir? | 14:37 |
| BT_ | any help for no such devkit: cputransp | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also, Bowie, Blackbox recorder, and Florence and the Machine | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | i have Eat Static - Implant on atm | 14:38 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: I'll have a look at it later | 14:38 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: thanks for your effort though! | 14:38 |
| cehteh | anyone using mobilehotspot on pr1.2 | 14:38 |
| cehteh | ? | 14:38 |
| ryan1918 | run www.ryan1918.com | 14:38 |
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| ruskie | apt-get purge cherry <-- DO NOT WANT | 14:39 |
| lcuk | BT_, scratchbox-devkit-cputransp | 14:39 |
| cehteh | .. dont want to brock my device again | 14:39 |
| lcuk | install OUTSIDE scratchbox | 14:39 |
| lcuk | and then you can add it to your config | 14:39 |
| ruskie | Shapeshifter, if you can get those things working using the physical keyboard I'll be interested | 14:39 |
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| Khertan_atWork | hi again ! | 14:40 |
| * SpeedEvil puts on Material World. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qyyb - not madonna) | 14:40 | |
| Khertan_atWork | lcuk: amon amarth - versus the world | 14:40 |
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| cehteh | ruskie: what bindings? .. i mean the physical keyboard is quite easily configureable | 14:40 |
| lcuk | Khertan_atWork, :D | 14:40 |
| Khertan_atWork | the next is : die apokalyptischen reiter - human end | 14:41 |
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| ruskie | cehteh, so how can I get the keys for: ~ > < | pgup/pgdn there? | 14:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | ruskie: well I said earlier that I have fn-up/down == pgup/pgdown, fn-c ==|, shift-up/down == [/], shift-left/right == </> | 14:43 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: if you don't want [] you could bind shift-up t~ for example | 14:44 |
| Shapeshifter | *to ~ | 14:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | I also have fn-left/right == Home/End btw | 14:44 |
| tgalal | I'm getting upgrade your Nokia N900 ti enter Ovi Store every time I open ovi store, even though I'm on PR1.2 is this normal? | 14:44 |
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| X-Fade | tgalal: How did you upgrade? | 14:45 |
| tgalal | X-Fade, NSU | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | tgalal: Ok, that should be fine. | 14:45 |
| ruskie | hmm so basically without VAT nokia cost me with the 1.2 upgrade 0.0696 eur due to MyNokia SMSes | 14:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does the ovi store still have no paid content? | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or am I accessing an old version somehow | 14:47 |
| BT_ | luck ; i have added cputansp in devkit folder | 14:48 |
| BT_ | now getting different error | 14:48 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: last time I checked there were some wallpapers for 2eur (who would buy a darn bad pic for that price anyway?) | 14:48 |
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| BT_ | sb-conf No such cpu-transparency method qemu-arm-cvs-m | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | chem|st: well - yes - those | 14:50 |
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| jave | trying EasyDebian now | 14:51 |
| chem|st | this upgrade is a pain... please someone shoot the guy who said it is ready to be released | 14:51 |
| tgalal | X-Fade, so why is it not detecting my pr1.2 | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | tgalal: No idea. | 14:52 |
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| chem|st | tgalal: hide user agent? | 14:52 |
| X-Fade | tgalal: did you try store.ovi.mobi directly? | 14:53 |
| admiral0 | hello everybody | 14:53 |
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| tgalal | X-Fade, yeah it's saying my phone is not supported yet | 14:53 |
| tgalal | chem|st, I've got this app, but it's saying my user agent is not customized | 14:53 |
| admiral0 | i have some issues with hildon. After a while icon launchers stop working | 14:53 |
| tgalal | chem|st, oh it is customized ! | 14:54 |
| admiral0 | i have to restart to get them to work again | 14:54 |
| chem|st | tgalal: would you mind to stand in that corner for a while please? | 14:54 |
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| tgalal | chem|st, lol my bad | 14:54 |
| admiral0 | also Desktop command execution widget does the same | 14:54 |
| tgalal | working now | 14:54 |
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| admiral0 | anyone had this issue? | 14:55 |
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| ruskie | Shapeshifter, well I could live without ⏠and pound signs so that would be | ~... and binding pgup/dn to fn up/dn and < > to fn left/right got any info on playing with that? | 14:57 |
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| admiral0 | now after a restart i get no launchers and all desktop command exec widgets are empty | 14:58 |
| Ken-Young | ruskie, I have made changes like that. | 14:58 |
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| Ken-Young | ruskie, You he file rx-51need to esit t | 14:59 |
| Ken-Young | ruskie, Sorry - you need to edit the file rx-51 . | 14:59 |
| Ken-Young | ruskie, in /sur/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr | 15:01 |
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| * ruskie tries to remember what key names there are... | 15:04 | |
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| * ruskie wonders how people modified the arrow key bindings | 15:09 | |
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| ZogG | ruskie, there are options there as well | 15:10 |
| ZogG | ruskie, get the russian layotu and check it, they have letters on arrows as well | 15:10 |
| * ZogG xmms2> Gorillaz - Cloud of Unknowing (feat. Bobby Womack and Sinfonia ViVA) ["Plastic Beach" 2010] | 15:10 | |
| ZogG | great album | 15:10 |
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| ghostcube | is this the new gorillaz album? | 15:14 |
| ghostcube | ah yes, i think the old one has better songs | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: what's worse for your health, eating 68 strips of bacon, or a milkshake? | 15:17 |
| lcuk | at the moment i cant have either | 15:18 |
| lcuk | too much sugar and crunchiness :'( | 15:18 |
| lcuk | and i keep smelling bacon | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64Q47A20100527 | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: a milkshake so rich it has the same caloric content as 68 strips of bacon :P | 15:18 |
| jaska | bacon sounds preferable, tastes better i bet | 15:19 |
| lcuk | blended bacon-shake mmm | 15:20 |
| corecode | any idea how to sync the calendar of my n900 with my deskop pc? | 15:20 |
| ruskie | syncevolution | 15:20 |
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| corecode | how does that work? | 15:21 |
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| corecode | do i need bluetooth? | 15:22 |
| ruskie | hmm wth are thehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278&highlight=syncevolution | 15:22 |
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| ruskie | corecode, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278&highlight=syncevolution | 15:22 |
| ruskie | ups | 15:22 |
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| corecode | ah, syncml server | 15:23 |
| ruskie | or use nokia pc suite on windows | 15:24 |
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| corecode | beuh. | 15:24 |
| ZogG | ghostcube, there are great song here | 15:25 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie i would eat bacons and drink milkshake after | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: "does it blend?" | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | :D | 15:29 |
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| ruskie | hmm well custom keymap still doesn't bring me usable shift+pgup/pgdn | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to put mentorgraphics musb core to that test | 15:30 |
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| ruskie | and odly doublf fn in urxvt won't lock fn | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | preferrably together with the head who wrote it | 15:31 |
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| ZogG | ruskie have you reboted? | 15:31 |
| ZogG | rebooted? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | roboted | 15:32 |
| ruskie | ZogG, yup | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | robotniks! | 15:32 |
| E0x | ruskie: from sourcemage right ? | 15:32 |
| ruskie | ZogG, I'll have to examine the Xdefaults... maybe I can define a few other key combos for the stuff I want | 15:32 |
| ruskie | E0x, bingo | 15:32 |
| E0x | :D | 15:33 |
| * ruskie is amazed so many people are starting to know him | 15:33 | |
| E0x | sourcemage still alive ? | 15:33 |
| ZogG | ruskie, there is also package hebrew maps, it add hebrew as 3rd language - check it as well | 15:33 |
| ruskie | E0x, yup | 15:33 |
| E0x | cool | 15:33 |
| ruskie | ZogG, well the keys I bound work... but not what I was expecting | 15:34 |
| ZogG | ruskie, i'm using only english - thinking to set other language as h4k3r5 language - just with special symbols =) | 15:34 |
| ruskie | ZogG, I get | and ~ and < > | 15:34 |
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| ruskie | I also think I get pgup/pgdn(need to recheck this) | 15:34 |
| ZogG | ruskie, check the package i told you =) what does it do | 15:34 |
| ruskie | but I also want to be able to do shift+pgup/pgdn so I can scroll the terminal | 15:35 |
| ZogG | ruskie, you can't i think | 15:35 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, urxvt not osso-xterm ;) | 15:35 |
| ZogG | shift cancells special char | 15:35 |
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| ruskie | well would help if I could fn lock it | 15:36 |
| ZogG | ruskie, you can if you set pgdwn as primary =) | 15:36 |
| E0x | yes, why fn dont get lock everywhere | 15:36 |
| ZogG | ruskie, doesn't matter - it cancel - try fn lock and shift some blue symbol - what does it do? | 15:36 |
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| ZogG | E0x, it does but shift cancel it | 15:36 |
| ruskie | I'll play with that more at home | 15:36 |
| ruskie | ifI remember that is ;) | 15:36 |
| * ruskie tends to forget his devices over the weekend most of the time | 15:37 | |
| ruskie | and amazing the n900 will last through the weekend on battery | 15:37 |
| ruskie | at times won't even be in the red on monday morning | 15:37 |
| ZogG | ruskie, as i said - just add another language where up is pgdwn and all letters are special characters and blue more special, just for terminal =) | 15:37 |
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| ruskie | is there a quick switch? | 15:38 |
| E0x | n900 is a great device just need a software polish but not much | 15:38 |
| E0x | just a bit | 15:38 |
| ruskie | it needs a lot of sw polish imo | 15:38 |
| E0x | na | 15:38 |
| E0x | not that much | 15:38 |
| ZogG | ruskie, languages? ctrl+space | 15:38 |
| ruskie | it should be possible to upgrade using apt-get without breakage | 15:38 |
| ZogG | E0x, it needs more integration - that you can integrate programs with official, for example to ability to add fmms in conversation or add scripts in menu of file manager and so on | 15:39 |
| ruskie | it needs to stop thinking it's users are kids and let them have full access to everything(through the file dialogs) | 15:40 |
| E0x | the intent do it with meego | 15:40 |
| ruskie | unlike symbian atleast on linux there is some sane semblance of what goes where... | 15:40 |
| E0x | fix that | 15:41 |
| E0x | but i like more meamo | 15:41 |
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| ruskie | not cryptinc 35ab5ac55 dirs that nobody knows what belongs there | 15:41 |
| ZogG | ruskie, it's to send info about you to nokia | 15:41 |
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| ZogG | so we don't get ovi store yet? =) | 15:42 |
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| ZogG | store.ovi.com/content/26397?clickSource=homepage - WTF is that? | 15:42 |
| jaska | arg, no en_DK locales so i could get iso8601 date/time formats | 15:42 |
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| ruskie | ZogG, apt-get purge $(cat oviremovelist nokiamaps adobe skype modest ezitext cherry and others) | 15:43 |
| ruskie | jaska, yeah I'd like that as well | 15:43 |
| ghostcube | what is this rollercoaster game i read about :D | 15:44 |
| ZogG | çæ„ćż«äč - èŽæć - MMS - what is that? and it cost 1 EUR | 15:44 |
| ruskie | or atleast a way to define the formats | 15:44 |
| ZogG | ghostcube, check the youtube, it looks awesome | 15:44 |
| ghostcube | is it available so far for the n900? | 15:44 |
| Surfa | ghostcube, multiple devices have that as side scroller version, it's fun game even that way | 15:45 |
| Surfa | ghostcube, not available yet | 15:45 |
| ghostcube | ok :) thx | 15:45 |
| Surfa | "soon, not yet" | 15:45 |
| Surfa | i kind of wished it to come this week, but clock is ticking | 15:45 |
| ZogG | ghostcube it's aviable on N900 as other apps but they are not in public, i mean Nokia or dev company has it, but you can't get it =) | 15:46 |
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| ZogG | i was waiting for pr1.2 in hope nokia convert some symbian QT programs to maemo. NoGo | 15:47 |
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| loufoque | is there a way for maemo to not connect to a wifi network unless it needs to? | 15:48 |
| jpe | since my update to the latest firmware , the mail for exchange fails to synchronize with my google calender.... | 15:49 |
| ZogG | loufoque yes, there is option | 15:49 |
| ZogG | lets collect all our N900s and build the house of them =) | 15:49 |
| loufoque | ZogG: where? | 15:50 |
| ZogG | loufoque internets or connections - there is option to check wifis - set it to never | 15:50 |
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| lcuk | ZogG, make a whole wall of them and use the cameras to make the wall transparent | 15:51 |
| ZogG | loufoque, setting â internet connections â connect automaticlly and Search interval | 15:51 |
| ZogG | lcuk nice idea =) | 15:51 |
| ZogG | lcuk, are you happy that you bought it? =) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | bought what? | 15:52 |
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| ZogG | okay you got it for free Ââ so you are happy =) | 15:52 |
| loufoque | ZogG: any reason I shouldn't set this to never? | 15:52 |
| ZogG | loufoque, if you want to get autoconnection when it's aviable | 15:52 |
| lcuk | ZogG, :) of course i'm happy, maemo rox and is the most accessible mobile OS anywhere | 15:53 |
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| loufoque | ZogG: isn't it just a waste of battery to connect to wifi if I don't use it? | 15:53 |
| lcuk | and actually getting my name in the changelogs for it is an immensely proud feeling :) | 15:53 |
| ZogG | lcuk accessible for what? | 15:54 |
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| lcuk | for anything :) x11 allows people to write their apps using the tools they are happiest with | 15:55 |
| Skyscraper | back again | 15:55 |
| ZogG | lcuk meh, don't see a lot of apps =) | 15:56 |
| Skyscraper | have the same problem: | 15:56 |
| Skyscraper | FM-Transmitter active and Headphones - incompatible?! -.- | 15:56 |
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| ZogG | Skyscraper, same as? | 15:57 |
| ZogG | Skyscraper was it bug? | 15:57 |
| jaska | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7591 looks like theres a bug for the missing locale | 15:57 |
| povbot` | Bug 7591: locale en_DK isn't installed | 15:57 |
| Skyscraper | ZogG the same problem as 3 hours ago :D | 15:57 |
| lcuk | ZogG, meh it would be simple to release apps like candy, just package up simple websites and away you go | 15:57 |
| Skyscraper | trying to steam the headset microphone input via fm transmitter | 15:57 |
| GAN900 | Ah, Nokia, the company of delays. | 15:58 |
| ZogG | lcuk there are a lot of games and usefull apps on iphone except what you are talking about | 15:58 |
| lcuk | who said anything about iphone? | 15:58 |
| * GAN900 somehow didn't get a full charge last night. | 15:58 | |
| Skyscraper | already found a solution for playback microphone input... but now i have the next problem: fm transmitter wont work when headphones connected... dont know why... - maybe possible to "hack"? | 15:58 |
| ZogG | lcuk, okay android =) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | or android? | 15:59 |
| ZogG | Skyscraper, as you mic is in headphones now? =) | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | or do you equate those platforms as having crappy webpages wrapped into "apps" as the norm ;) | 16:00 |
| ZogG | lcuk, there are 2 main other OSs like maemo and for devices for price and similar for n900 | 16:00 |
| Skyscraper | ZogG i've connected the included headphones... have mic inclusive... - and i can do it, that i can hear myself in the headset speakers... - but i CANT get the fm tx on | 16:00 |
| ZogG | lcuk, there are millions of apps for them and even 99% are websites - still that 1% is more than we have =) | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: Connecting to a powersaving wlan uses about .1% of battery per hour | 16:01 |
| ZogG | Skyscraper, have no idea man. sorry | 16:01 |
| Skyscraper | ;( | 16:01 |
| lcuk | ZogG, have you released any apps? | 16:01 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil, what is powersaving wlan? | 16:01 |
| ZogG | lcuk, not a programmer =( | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: A wan that implements powersaving. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: wlan | 16:01 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil, is it from host side? | 16:02 |
| lcuk | ZogG, dont let that stop you | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: With powersaving turned off - the wlan uses around 20%/hour of battery. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | get involved with some other apps | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Powersaving is a setting in the connections dialog. | 16:02 |
| lcuk | i hear the fart app is looking for sound effecst | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Per connection. | 16:02 |
| Kegetys | isnt there multiple settings for it | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: It requires the router to support it to work well. | 16:02 |
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| Skyscraper | ZogG see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/FM_Transmitter_API_Usage - means that, that i need a hacked firmware? | 16:03 |
| ZogG | lcuk, i know - it sounds like whining, and i would agree as N900 is new and maemo is new, but still, i'm the user. i pay money for something. for example there are some progrs for N900 nokia has (on youtube they show) but you can't get them | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | So, real device emulation available now. Cool! | 16:03 |
| ZogG | it looks like we are polygon for the tests =) | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: With my router, and powersaving set to max - I get >140 hours standby | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: able to login over ssh, or ping the phone with under 500ms delay | 16:03 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil, didn't know that, but there are so many connections in the city as well when it search for connection it takes power. | 16:04 |
| lcuk | ZogG, mmm you mean the ovi stuff | 16:04 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil, i have router and don't mind to stay connected without powersaving ) | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: That does not happen if you're logged into a router. | 16:04 |
| pigeon | hmm, is it just me, or is 1.2 feels generally slower... | 16:04 |
| lcuk | rollercoaster etc - i heard that was meant to be out/coming any time now? | 16:04 |
| ZogG | lcuk, nope. i mean shazam, new announced games and other apps | 16:04 |
| lcuk | pigeon, if you have just updated its probably you | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Staying connected to a router with powersaving off will take about 1/6th battery life per hour. | 16:05 |
| lcuk | tracker is likely scanning media | 16:05 |
| lcuk | ZogG, then contact the developers? | 16:05 |
| ZogG | lcuk, nokia? =)) | 16:05 |
| ZogG | haha dead end | 16:05 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, "Here's what it feels like to own this thing we're not supporting anymore." ? *eg* | 16:05 |
| ZogG | still didnt get answer about flash 10 =) | 16:05 |
| pigeon | lcuk: hmm | 16:06 |
| ZogG | GAN900, where is it from? | 16:06 |
| pigeon | like the ui and stuff | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Put down that glass of negativism ;) | 16:06 |
| loufoque | SpeedEvil: interesting. What about 3G, how much does it use? | 16:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | loufoque: To be inactive - almost nothing. Otherwise _lots_. | 16:07 |
| pigeon | just got a "hildon-home is not responding" too | 16:07 |
| ZogG | lcuk, as well i don't need to promote my phone, Nokia should. it's not that they sell hardware. | 16:07 |
| GAN900 | How do I get a battery percentage in the console? | 16:07 |
| frals | lshal|grep batt | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: 1s pings - with the screen off - use around 15% of battery per hour | 16:07 |
| ZogG | frals, where did you get this info about 100 000 n900 sold =) | 16:08 |
| jaska | lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage | 16:08 |
| rdorsch | I have the N900 hanging after flashing PR1.2 whenever I try to edit the desktop settings (hang when I press the "Done" button on the top right). Does that ring any bell? | 16:08 |
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| ZogG | SpeedEvil, have you measured all this =) | 16:08 |
| tybollt | rdorsch: yeah I have that one as well | 16:08 |
| frals | ZogG: engadget | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to better organise that page. | 16:08 |
| rdorsch | tybollt: what do you do? I restart the device.... | 16:08 |
| ZogG | frals, gonna read | 16:08 |
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| tybollt | frals: is 1000000 much or? | 16:08 |
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| rdorsch | tybollt: do you have a better way to get out of it? | 16:09 |
| tybollt | rdorsch: I can usually "click" my way out of it | 16:09 |
| frals | tybollt: first quote which polluted the media was 100k devices sold in 5months, correction was 100k in first five weeks | 16:09 |
| rdorsch | What do you click on? | 16:09 |
| tybollt | frals: again - isat much or? | 16:09 |
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| evo | hello, Media player source code is not available, right? | 16:10 |
| tybollt | frals: How many 3gS were sold during same timeframe? | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: You diddn't push a new version of fmms since the update for 1.2? | 16:10 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: i did, unfortunately :P | 16:10 |
| pigeon | lcuk: i updated last night, but since then i feel the ui is generally slower. | 16:11 |
| Kmfdmaemo | im having issues with the pidgin-otr plugin. it worked before but since reinstalling after upgrading to 1.2 it gives and invalid length error | 16:11 |
| frals | tybollt: comparing with 3gs is a null point in my eyes, but i have no idea | 16:11 |
| kirma | 100k in 5 weeks sounds mostly like production line ramp-up and capacity planning limitation mostly | 16:11 |
| tybollt | frals: Well | 16:11 |
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| tybollt | frals: just throwing out numbers is useless | 16:11 |
| Kmfdmaemo | anyone else use that plugin or know what is wrong or know the package maintainer | 16:11 |
| lcuk | pigeon, check with htop and see if anything is getting in your way | 16:11 |
| tybollt | frals: you have to compare it to SOMETHING | 16:11 |
| frals | tybollt: it was RE: an article on engadget | 16:11 |
| tybollt | url | 16:12 |
| tybollt | ? | 16:12 |
| frals | engadget.com probably | 16:12 |
| frals | :p | 16:12 |
| kirma | great to compare with iphone of course as apple is media darling and they have only one product per product category at a time | 16:12 |
| loufoque | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure I understand. So 3G uses nothing without a data connection established, but 15% with one? | 16:12 |
| ZogG | tybollt comparing to iphone it's nothing but comparing to n1 is a lot, but it's not actuall numbers - read the artice =) | 16:12 |
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| kirma | comparing with amount of nokia smartphones produced over the same time period would be more informative | 16:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | loufoque: No - 3G with no data passing over the data connection is very lightweight | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: But if you use that data connection - at all - then it's really not. | 16:13 |
| kirma | comparing to nexus one could have made some sense | 16:13 |
| ZogG | just read the article | 16:13 |
| kirma | also: touchscreen-only phones are mechanically vastly simpler to put together in lasting way than phones with slide-out qwerty keyboards... | 16:14 |
| * tybollt slaps frals w/ ZogG | 16:14 | |
| tybollt | :P | 16:14 |
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| pigeon | hmm, from desktop to the menu, it used to do a smooth animation in 1.1, but now with 1.2 it's not for some reasons. | 16:15 |
| loufoque | SpeedEvil: so basically instant messaging enabled over 3G uses a lot of battery | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: I know. I'm trying to work out what the 'real' number of users of fmms is. The stable package was updated on the 18th. after which there were perhaps 4000 downloads after the next few days. | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: And then trying to work out what the ~30000 downloads after 1.2 release means. | 16:16 |
| kirma | point of all technology news, always: "buy apple products, because they have arrogant dictator that knows what you want even if you have an differing opinion" | 16:16 |
| kirma | some of the ipad news of late have been well beyond parody horizon | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: I suppose the implication is that quite a lot of people must have it installed, and not be updating it regularly, or most of the users have extras-devel or testing enabled too | 16:17 |
| pigeon | the other thing i don't understand is why are some apps automatically run in the background | 16:17 |
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| kirma | effective attention-whoring for building a career of pseudo-journalist though. | 16:17 |
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| kirma | </rant> | 16:18 |
| pigeon | like, i can see modest running, even though i haven't started myself | 16:18 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: yeah, i think most users of fmms have -devel enabled | 16:18 |
| pigeon | oh browserd | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | loufoque: yes. 3G pings every 30s - representative of IRC connected to one server with an inactive channel - uses ~10% of battery per hour. | 16:19 |
| tybollt | frals: surprising they actually admit their misstake - hmmm | 16:19 |
| lbt_ | damn, I've lost the ipad cartoon link.... | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | loufoque: Xchat over wifi - quite active uses ~3% or so per hour. | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | For IRC, 2G is _lots_ better. | 16:20 |
| loufoque | SpeedEvil: so basically I shouldn't idle with 3G | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | As in well under half the usage. | 16:20 |
| kirma | speedevil: nice PING-munching IRC and XMPP proxies would be nice to have | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - depends if you need the battery life. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: indeed. | 16:20 |
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| kirma | probably should write some and set up at home server | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: Something like irssi+screen even would do that | 16:20 |
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| kirma | something like fifteen minutes is quite enough at least on my operator, and would drop the radio modem load to like almost tenth in idle conditions | 16:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Actually - fmms is terrible - for this purpose - as frals is always pushing new versions :) | 16:21 |
| asj_ | you could port quassel to the phone or hack it's protocol | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, be fun if we could get Nokia to publish these figures in the user manual. :D | 16:22 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: i shouldve held the last 2 versions a week to see downloads stats after pr1.2 :) | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a list of apps by total downloads? | 16:22 |
| kirma | speedevil: well, I have screen and ircII, but native intergration of private irc messages and google chat are nice... but power hogs :I | 16:22 |
| TigerTael | <3 1.2 | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | kirma: What's worse is for example if you have 3 different IM servers, all pinging at 30s intervals - the modem will never sleep. | 16:22 |
| kirma | I believe for IRC and XMPP these would even be almost absurdly simple to implement, if dedicating for that specific task | 16:23 |
| kirma | SpeedEvil: I'm pretty aware of this problem :/ | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:23 |
| Treibholz | where are the settings for the "Desktop Command Execution Widget"? | 16:23 |
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| kirma | should really write those proxies... stupid to run them at home and put one more point of failure on the route, but welll... | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: You click the desktop, click the 'gear' - and then click the little spanner | 16:24 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: yes... :-) but where are they stored? | 16:24 |
| kirma | or couple. home machine and the network connection | 16:24 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: it looses its settings here when refreshing. | 16:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:25 |
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| ghostcube | eh? why dos my firefox tell me i dont have flash 9 o.O | 16:27 |
| tybollt | yeah | 16:27 |
| tybollt | flash dun work in fennec does it? | 16:27 |
| tybollt | although I really fancy the tab system in fennec, it is _really_ nice | 16:28 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: somewhere in ~/.* | 16:28 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: .desktop_cmd_exec | 16:29 |
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| Nils^ | greetings. I bet this question was raised very often in the last days: How to I update my n900 to the latest announced maemo. I am on linux64. No Windows or Wine available. | 16:30 |
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| mfinkle | ghostcube: what web page? | 16:31 |
| chem|st | Nils^: tap update | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | woah zdf mediathek :) | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | moment pls | 16:31 |
| kirma | heh. noting that n900 is actually the top-selling phone in biggest electronics retailer in .fi, and they also sell iphones and bulk phones... | 16:31 |
| chem|st | Nils^: or do a backup with the backup tool to your SD and flash the thing | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | i was shocked landing in .fi and seeing some airport guard standing and playing with her n900 | 16:32 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ | 16:32 |
| ghostcube | mfinkle: http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/hauptnavigation/startseite#/hauptnavigation/startseite | 16:32 |
| Skyscraper | Nils^ do it with he app manager | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:32 |
| kirma | considering they sell phones contract-free phones starting from like 20 euros, that's quite an achievement | 16:32 |
| pexi | kinda sad | 16:32 |
| Nils^ | Skyscraper: the app manager (the built-in updater) says "Do it with pc-suite" | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Ah - thanks | 16:33 |
| Skyscraper | yes, how many space do you have free on your rootfs? @ nils^ | 16:33 |
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| Nils^ | Skyscraper: not much. too many apps installed. | 16:33 |
| trupheenix | hi has anyone tried using Skype Video on the new PR 1.2? | 16:33 |
| trupheenix | i can't seem to get it to work on a PC | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | trupheenix: yeah not working | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | only if the other has video too | 16:33 |
| Skyscraper | you need at least 40-50 MB @nils^ | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | seeems so for me | 16:34 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, yea the other has a video also | 16:34 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, other person has a web cam | 16:34 |
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| ghostcube | if you call him you can wait a few seconds | 16:34 |
| Nils^ | Skyscraper: ok, lets see what I can uninstall | 16:34 |
| ghostcube | video should be available then | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Aha - fmradio is a much less 'scary' app. | 16:34 |
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| trupheenix | ghostcube, i tried make skype video call | 16:34 |
| Skyscraper | and... i have had installed "OpenArena"... needed to uninstall it to install OTA | 16:34 |
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| ghostcube | me too i see my vid he doesnt ? | 16:34 |
| trupheenix | but the other person doesn't get any video | 16:34 |
| pexi | http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg | 16:34 |
| ghostcube | yep | 16:34 |
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| ghostcube | i dont know whats causing this | 16:35 |
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| Treibholz | chem|st: ahh, deleting that helped :-) | 16:35 |
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| trupheenix | hmmm | 16:36 |
| Skyscraper | Nils^ have you brain party or open arena? | 16:36 |
| ghostcube | anyone has made an succesfull skype video call | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmradio&os=Maemo5&repo=extras - yeah. You can clearly see that the total size of the population with extras-testing enabled is only a little smaller than the population with only extras. | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | And there is a nice clearly visible 10 days between spikes | 16:36 |
| Nils^ | Skyscraper: no, nothing of that | 16:36 |
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| trupheenix | ghostcube, tried PC to PC and it works like a charm | 16:36 |
| trupheenix | however PC to N900 doesn't work as expected | 16:37 |
| trupheenix | :( | 16:37 |
| ghostcube | yep mac to N900 too | 16:37 |
| trupheenix | wonder if they tried it using Windows or something | 16:37 |
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| trupheenix | hmmmmm | 16:38 |
| trupheenix | anyone know what could be the problem? | 16:38 |
| ghostcube | mac doesnt work too and i doubt any client does | 16:38 |
| jaska | i wonder how long localedef should take in sbox while armel, 19 mins and counting :) | 16:38 |
| ghostcube | yeah the skype client on the n900 is borked i think | 16:38 |
| tybollt | skype :-| | 16:39 |
| Kmfdmaemo | i guess not many ppl use otr on their n900 i sent the package maintainer an email | 16:39 |
| pigeon | pexi: hmm, what is that? | 16:39 |
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| Kmfdmaemo | i guess an auto build system upgraded it and broke it | 16:39 |
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| * ruskie wishes the default client would support otr | 16:40 | |
| pexi | reality, I guess :) | 16:40 |
| pigeon | pexi: that photo i meant | 16:40 |
| jaska | otr? | 16:40 |
| Kmfdmaemo | pidgin-otr is broken | 16:40 |
| Kmfdmaemo | off the record messaging | 16:40 |
| jaska | ah, off the record, instant messaging stuff | 16:40 |
| pexi | don't know | 16:40 |
| pigeon | pexi: what program is that? | 16:40 |
| pigeon | oh | 16:40 |
| Kmfdmaemo | it worked before | 16:40 |
| jaska | im the get off my lawn type who uses irc and email so didnt ring a bell | 16:40 |
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| ghostcube | who does the skype things? | 16:40 |
| ghostcube | is it possible to mail him? | 16:41 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, which image are u trying? | 16:41 |
| Kmfdmaemo | but current version is broken and maemo.org autoremoved the old working package | 16:41 |
| ghostcube | 1.2 normal | 16:41 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, i'm using the Global release | 16:41 |
| ghostcube | yep me too | 16:41 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, i initially installed the India release, it didn't have skype! | 16:41 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, then i used the global release it had skype | 16:41 |
| ghostcube | hmmmm | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | ghostcube, i wonder if it is working on the UK or US ones | 16:42 |
| pigeon | ghostcube: i have, was just testing it | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | :-| | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, huh? | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, works for u? | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, wow | 16:42 |
| ghostcube | pigeon: you can video call? | 16:42 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, which image u got? Global or UK or US? | 16:42 |
| pigeon | skype video call, yes | 16:42 |
| pigeon | it worked | 16:42 |
| ghostcube | ok here it doesnt | 16:42 |
| pigeon | wlan only though | 16:42 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon, yea even i'm on Wlan | 16:43 |
| ghostcube | doesnt work at all here | 16:43 |
| ghostcube | with none client | 16:43 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, which image are u using? UK/US/Global? | 16:43 |
| pigeon | mine is a us phone, and i upgraded ota, so us i guess? | 16:43 |
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| ghostcube | hmm ok then the global image is borked somehow | 16:43 |
| pigeon | i'm thinking if i should do a reflash. | 16:45 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, no need | 16:45 |
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| pigeon | hmm | 16:46 |
| trupheenix | anyone know what is a Vanilla release? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | tastes of vanilla? | 16:46 |
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| apol | isn't it possible to update to 1.2 without connecting it to a windows computer? | 16:46 |
| ghostcube | OTA update | 16:47 |
| ag0ny | Did I say the ICQ plugin sucks? :D | 16:47 |
| Skyscraper | with at least 40-50 mb rootfs-freespace | 16:47 |
| Appiah | ~ota | 16:48 |
| infobot | it has been said that ota is ssu | 16:48 |
| pigeon | ag0ny: not sure if it's 1.2 or the new haze package, but the icq account plugin starts to not work properly since yesterday for me | 16:48 |
| Appiah | ~ssu | 16:48 |
| infobot | ssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 16:48 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: I had lots of problems before already. | 16:48 |
| apol | what is that? | 16:48 |
| pigeon | ag0ny: i noticed now the advanced settings sometimes comes up blank, and it also tends to lose its settings. | 16:49 |
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| ag0ny | pigeon: It worked yesterday for a couple of hours and all of a sudden, it stopped working. | 16:49 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: You are right my advanced tab is blank | 16:49 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: What are you doing to get your settings again? | 16:49 |
| ghostcube | apol: you can just use app manager to update | 16:49 |
| Treibholz | ICQ sucks anyway and everywhere. | 16:49 |
| pigeon | ag0ny: it was working before before yesterday | 16:49 |
| ghostcube | icq is russian now :P | 16:50 |
| ghostcube | :D | 16:50 |
| pigeon | ag0ny: if you disable the account then advanced settings comes up sometimes | 16:50 |
| Treibholz | ghostcube: yes, just like its SPAM | 16:50 |
| apol | ghostcube: it asks me to connect my device to the computer to continue | 16:50 |
| Nils^ | how do I clean up my rootfs again if uninstalling is not enough? maybe some trash or temp data? I did it once over ssh but forgot what to delete | 16:51 |
| ghostcube | apol: to less rootfs space left | 16:51 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: Going to try that | 16:51 |
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| ghostcube | Nils^: there is an script but i think this is not recommended | 16:51 |
| pigeon | ag0ny: you might need to disable it, save it, get out, then go back to its settings | 16:51 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, are you sure? | 16:52 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: hm...I deleted it :D | 16:52 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: about what? | 16:52 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, about video calls? | 16:52 |
| Nils^ | rootfs 233344 217428 11632 95% / | 16:52 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: Happens if you click to fast :D | 16:52 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, what clients did u call to? | 16:52 |
| Nils^ | deinstalling has no impact. | 16:52 |
| apol | ghostcube: it's because I have to little disk space? | 16:52 |
| ag0ny | pigeon: with half your attention | 16:52 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: yeah, i tried it with my wife | 16:52 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, was it between 2 N900s or was it to a PC? | 16:52 |
| apol | how much do i need? | 16:52 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: skype on windows | 16:52 |
| ghostcube | 40 - 50 mb :) | 16:52 |
| trupheenix | ahhhhhhhhhhhhHH!!! | 16:52 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: pc | 16:52 |
| n900-dk_ | I have a feeling of that my N900 is a little slower operating after PR1.2 upgrade - have any of you experienced the same? | 16:52 |
| pigeon | ah | 16:52 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon, i'm trying skype on Linux | 16:52 |
| pigeon | i only have one n900 ;) | 16:52 |
| pigeon | oh | 16:53 |
| pigeon | i could try that too i guess | 16:53 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, it's not working with skype linux | 16:53 |
| ghostcube | i tried skype on mac linux and windows | 16:53 |
| pigeon | i could try now | 16:53 |
| ghostcube | i cant get video calls to work | 16:53 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, ok try and tell us please | 16:53 |
| hrw | bug 10312 guys? | 16:53 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10312 Video calls with Skype does not work | 16:53 |
| ag0ny | Why can I see Extra protocol plugins with 0kb in the update manager? | 16:53 |
| TheRealHotshot | n900-dk mines feels a lil slower also | 16:53 |
| n900-dk_ | It is anoying.. | 16:53 |
| pigeon | trying... | 16:54 |
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| trupheenix | povbot`, ok i see wat ppl written | 16:54 |
| povbot` | trupheenix: Error: "ok" is not a valid command. | 16:54 |
| ghostcube | ok super idea to make an linux skype not working with any other client than windows 4.0.x | 16:55 |
| ghostcube | wouldnt it b more clever just to use an skype packag as an normal client app? | 16:55 |
| ghostcube | cause this works | 16:55 |
| TheRealHotshot | And I hate how when I click download an attachment in emails it don't say downloading it just goes to the pic on a blank page til the pic is downloaded | 16:55 |
| pigeon | i wish you could individually switch online/offline for different accounts on the n900, instead of all or none | 16:56 |
| ruskie | pigeon, erm??? | 16:56 |
| ruskie | pigeon, you mean IM contacts? | 16:56 |
| ruskie | you can | 16:56 |
| pigeon | how? | 16:56 |
| ruskie | erm accounts even | 16:56 |
| ghostcube | bbl | 16:56 |
| pigeon | i have to go and disable then in each account settings | 16:56 |
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| ruskie | true | 16:56 |
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| ruskie | hmm I wonder if there's a dbus signal that handles it | 16:57 |
| jaska | strange, localedef with en_GB finishes in a few seconds, en_DK just pegs a core | 16:57 |
| ruskie | jaska, yeah had the same issue | 16:58 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon me is waiting for ur test results | 16:58 |
| ag0ny | Could someone check please if /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon file does exist? | 16:58 |
| ruskie | pigeon, try dbus-monitoring while enablening disableing accounts and so on | 16:59 |
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| jaska | ruskie: oh well, guess i have to change the definition file by trial and error until it works... or generate a fake en_DK from en_GB just changing the LC_TIME section :) | 16:59 |
| ruskie | jaska, if you manage it lemme know | 17:00 |
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| visz | n900 google video chat seems to be working | 17:01 |
| visz | just tested it | 17:01 |
| visz | allthough it took almost a minute to establish the video feed | 17:01 |
| trupheenix | visz, Google Video chat works even on the older N900 | 17:01 |
| visz | oh, ok | 17:01 |
| ZogG | google video chat is from gmail jabber? | 17:02 |
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| visz | oh that's jabber too? | 17:02 |
| Treibholz | yes. | 17:02 |
| trupheenix | visz, it was skype which has been added recently | 17:02 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: ok, no, when i make video call to a linux client, it just becomes a voice call, even though the front camera on the n900 is enabled | 17:02 |
| visz | right | 17:02 |
| ZogG | gmail chat is jabber | 17:02 |
| trupheenix | pigeon so it's confirmed | 17:02 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon, basically i think the latest Skype on Windoz is using H264 | 17:02 |
| Corsac | pigeon: codecs incompatibilities | 17:02 |
| ZogG | pigeon same on windows if opponent doesn't have video | 17:02 |
| pigeon | hmm | 17:03 |
| pigeon | it worked for me with windows skype though | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | 17621 timeless 18 0 2264m 1.4g 532 R 0.2 82.7 791:59.28 genxref | 17:03 |
| trupheenix | pigeon,but the linux clients are not using H264 | 17:03 |
| ZogG | new feature â video chat \o/ | 17:03 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 17:03 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's probably not good | 17:03 |
| pigeon | trupheenix: ah, what is it using? | 17:03 |
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| ruskie | I would consider that the maemo one would be using it | 17:03 |
| ruskie | doesn't nokia own some h.264 patents? | 17:04 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon, probably some propreitary stuff. | 17:04 |
| ZogG | ruskie, Nokia owns you =) | 17:04 |
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| * ZogG is gonna so enjoy flashforward today | 17:05 | |
| ZogG | blame you america for closing this show =) | 17:05 |
| trupheenix | ZogG u could try VP8 u know | 17:05 |
| trupheenix | ZogG or DIRAC | 17:05 |
| Macer | hi | 17:05 |
| Macer | blah | 17:05 |
| ZogG | try on what? | 17:06 |
| trupheenix | ZogG on N900 | 17:06 |
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| dotblank | does the n900 have a digital compass? | 17:06 |
| trupheenix | dotblank, yes. aka GPS | 17:07 |
| ruskie | gps != compass | 17:07 |
| luke-jr | GPS only works as a compass when you're moving | 17:07 |
| ruskie | it requires movement to establish quasi orientation | 17:07 |
| dotblank | :( oh I thought there was not Dependant on gps | 17:07 |
| dotblank | the QT mobility api's have support for compass readings | 17:08 |
| Corsac | n900 video client offers h264/h263 codecs | 17:08 |
| dotblank | just wondering if the n900 supported that | 17:08 |
| Corsac | empathy on my debian box offers only theora | 17:08 |
| pigeon | weird, all of a sudden my "Memory Card" becomes "mmc-undefined-name" | 17:08 |
| Corsac | basically you'd need gstreamer+ffmpeg with encoder+decoder support in h264 (which has patent issues) | 17:08 |
| ruskie | in the usa | 17:09 |
| ag0ny | What the difference between the program manager and apt-get? I see updates in apt-get which I don't see in the program manager and vice versa | 17:09 |
| ag0ny | ? | 17:09 |
| Corsac | or you'd need theora support in maemo stack, which should be possible (since telepathy/farsight/ffmpeg/...) do support it | 17:09 |
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| ruskie | ag0ny, program manager handles things differently | 17:09 |
| Corsac | but possible doesn't mean easy | 17:09 |
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| pigeon | removing the lid and put it back fixes it | 17:09 |
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| ag0ny | ruskie: That means? | 17:10 |
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| ruskie | ag0ny, HAM only shows whatever has a special field | 17:11 |
| ruskie | the rest is generally silently installe through versioned dependencies | 17:11 |
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| ZogG | what is the difference beetween gps and digital compass? | 17:12 |
| ruskie | ZogG, digital compass works like a normal compass | 17:12 |
| ruskie | it detects the earts magnetic field | 17:12 |
| jaska | ruskie: taking en_GB definition and replacing the LC_TIME section worked mostly | 17:13 |
| ruskie | a gps relies on it's location from timestamps from sateliets | 17:13 |
| ruskie | jaska, mostly? | 17:13 |
| jaska | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 160 2010-02-19 12:58 zh_TW | 17:13 |
| jaska | atleast :) | 17:13 |
| Khertan_atWork | Hum ... question ... does someone have already use QAbstractKinecticScroller ... as i found it a bit too fast on n900 ... does there is a way to slow it ? | 17:13 |
| Khertan_atWork | (i scroll 8000 line of code in one gesture :) ) | 17:14 |
| jaska | dont know if the osso-clock etc obey it | 17:14 |
| jaska | or worldclock | 17:14 |
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| jaska | changing /etc/osso-af-init/locale, rebooting and trying | 17:16 |
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| ZogG | ruskie but why would i care how it works at least it works | 17:18 |
| ruskie | ZogG, it doesn't | 17:18 |
| ruskie | ZogG, hold still and try to get a compass orientation using gps | 17:18 |
| ruskie | it's not possible | 17:18 |
| jaska | ruskie: the gui apps seem to have their own definitions, atleast worldclock still uses disgusting dd/mm/yy :) | 17:18 |
| ZogG | i don't care when i stand i need it for movement | 17:19 |
| ruskie | hmm maybe timeless_mbp might be able to help there | 17:19 |
| ZogG | ruskie, anyway gps doesn't work properly | 17:19 |
| ruskie | ZogG, instructions... go south DO NOT go north, east or west... there's a big hole on those directions... so how can you figure it out now? | 17:19 |
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| ZogG | ruskie if you move and gps now the direction the map can tell you where east or north | 17:21 |
| ruskie | and you fall down into a hole | 17:21 |
| ZogG | i can see it =) | 17:21 |
| ruskie | think I can only rely on instruments | 17:21 |
| ZogG | not blind =) | 17:21 |
| jaska | bottomless hole? | 17:21 |
| ZogG | jaska, so i can travel to australia ? | 17:21 |
| ZogG | jaska THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAA! | 17:22 |
| jaska | depends on whereabouts you are now, most locations wont have australia on the other side :) | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: as jaska said, the ui apps use the language to pick the string formats | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | so you basically need to take a language, and change some bits | 17:22 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, can you point out where? | 17:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | tuto_ti_date | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_date_short | 17:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_date | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_date_medium | 17:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_fulldate_day_name_short | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_date_day_name_short | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | wdgt_va_date_long | 17:24 |
| ruskie | insanity | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | those are just some of them | 17:24 |
| timeless_mbp | there are a couple of "special" ones in calendar | 17:25 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, i can confirm too that it works on Windows Skype client | 17:25 |
| trupheenix | pigeon, doesn't work on Linux and OSX | 17:25 |
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| trupheenix | pigeon, just tried it at my office | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | ruskie: the actual fault is posix | 17:25 |
| thresh | woah amarok for n900 | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | posix really doesn't enable you to get this stuff remotely right | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | (the only platforms which get this right are OS X and Windows, and it isn't by using a posix api) | 17:26 |
| ruskie | how should it? | 17:26 |
| ruskie | last I checeked windows regional settings were a horror | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | locale preferences are not things which should be controlled by environment variables | 17:26 |
| Treibholz | thresh: yeah! gimme some more bloat! | 17:26 |
| timeless_mbp | they're live preferences | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | a user should be able to say "I want to switch my date format *NOW*" | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | not "Oh, darn, i better reboot" | 17:27 |
| Dassu | hmmmmm | 17:27 |
| ruskie | no don't need to reboot... just restart the apps | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: hint: restarting the entire system = reboot | 17:27 |
| jaska | i rebooted just because i didnt know what all to restart by hand | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | in maemo, all apps are forks of maemo-launcher | 17:27 |
| ZogG | <thresh> woah amarok for n900 say what? | 17:27 |
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| thresh | http://jefferai.org/2010/05/amarok-mobile-the-beginning | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | which means that if you don't restart maemo-launcher, you haven't made any progress | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | and by the time you've restarted all the apps, you've rebooted | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | so again, the problem is roughly speaking, posix | 17:28 |
| Dassu | is there an easy way to keep the wifi connection running while starting the mobile data link? | 17:28 |
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| ruskie | I still prefer the posix way | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | for providing an insane suggestion for how to get things to "work" | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: the posix way doesn't work | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | really | 17:28 |
| ruskie | it works | 17:28 |
| ruskie | not just how people are used to it | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: i've looked into it | 17:29 |
| ag0ny | ruskie: Thanks for the apt/HAM explanation | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't work | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and something which requires a user to *learn* a whole system | 17:29 |
| ruskie | maybe I'm missing something... but how can I launch an app on windows in a particular locale? | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and then read 35 books doesn't a "working" system make | 17:29 |
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| Treibholz | ruskie: lool | 17:29 |
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| ruskie | never figured that bit out | 17:29 |
| Treibholz | ruskie: Windows doesn't have locales. | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: you create a user w/ the locale settings you want, log in w/ the user you created, and run the app | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a lcoale | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | s/coal/ocal/ | 17:30 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: ruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a locale | 17:30 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, and you're saying LANG=whatever app is a not working system? | 17:30 |
| ruskie | but I do | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you typically want to run *all* apps in a locale | 17:30 |
| ruskie | I often run an app or two in a different locale | 17:30 |
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| ruskie | for whatever reason | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | why? | 17:30 |
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| sECuRE | because the locaziation sucks in some apps, for example | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | on osx you just specify the preferred language order (n.b. LANG != LOCALE) | 17:31 |
| ruskie | either I need the right output language wise, the right formating for date/time, the right collation etc... etc... etc... | 17:31 |
| sECuRE | or because some have bugs in your default locale | 17:31 |
| ruskie | so many reasons | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: lemme get this straight | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | you want to screw normal users | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | because there are sucky programs out there | 17:31 |
| jaska | takes some fiddling, i need english for language, iso8601 for date/time, and finnish for collation :) | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | which you want to work around? | 17:31 |
| ruskie | jaska, will you post a guide? | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | why not take your "open source programs" and *fix* them? | 17:32 |
| ruskie | jaska, I have something similar I think | 17:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you're so proud of open source | 17:32 |
| sECuRE | whatâs this discussion about? (sorry, didnât follow the whole) | 17:32 |
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| ruskie | sECuRE, that posix locale settings is a not working system | 17:32 |
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| sECuRE | i disagree. it works fine for me ;) | 17:32 |
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| ruskie | timeless_mbp, LANG is respected for locales | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: how using env vars is not a working system for *end users* with regional references | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: again | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | the baseline in maemo is that you pick a LANG and it forces a regional setting | 17:33 |
| ruskie | jaska, I basically need time es_DX and messages en_GB | 17:33 |
| ruskie | jaska, ugh... en_DK | 17:33 |
| ruskie | can't type | 17:33 |
| ruskie | the rest should be set to sl_SI ;) | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | because the maemo team couldn't get what they wanted from distinct LANG/REGION | 17:33 |
| sECuRE | i have english messages and german date/$foo on maemo, it works fine | 17:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: doubtful | 17:33 |
| sECuRE | why? what doesnât work? | 17:33 |
| jaska | ruskie: well, i guess those progs use LC_MESSAGES to get their date formats? | 17:34 |
| sECuRE | hopefully they donât | 17:34 |
| Smoki | hey guys,... anybody know a possibility for dual-boot meego and maemo5 PR 1.2 ?! | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: you're relying on one of en-GB or en-US to give you date formats which coincide to the german date formats you expect | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | Smoki: flasher -l -b -k vmlinuz | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: play around a bit with file manager or clock or things | 17:34 |
| ruskie | jaska, well that bit isn't really all that important since the rest of the device respects it | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | swap between lang=en-us and lang=en-gb while keeping region=german | 17:34 |
| ruskie | jaska, but definately interested in your locale hacking | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: you'll find that it's really the lang that's controlling date formats in maemo | 17:35 |
| sECuRE | hm, LC_TIME=en_US, indeed. that sucks | 17:35 |
| jaska | oh, i have the en_DK localedef file that i fiddled from en_GB that worked with sbox localedef program | 17:35 |
| sECuRE | and definitely it is a bug | 17:35 |
| jaska | ruskie: you want that? :) | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: it's a feature | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: not a feature i agree w/ | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | just a feature | 17:35 |
| ruskie | jaska, yes... I like LC_TIME set to en_DK | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: i've spent more time working on localization @maemo than anyone paid to work on it | 17:36 |
| sECuRE | no, not being able to select language separately from date/time is a bug, IMO | 17:36 |
| ruskie | and I'm planing on figuring out where those strings that timeless_mbp said are... | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and i've complained about this behavior | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and they insist that it's a specified feature | 17:36 |
| ruskie | sECuRE, file a bug about it | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and they do have a specification that says to do it this way | 17:36 |
| sECuRE | ruskie: will do, if there is none yet | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie / sECuRE: please don't waste your time filing a bug | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i already filed a bug! | 17:36 |
| sECuRE | alright | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm explaining to you what was explained to me | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | not because i agree w/ all of it | 17:37 |
| sECuRE | got the URL? | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | bugs.maemo.org ? | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | i've filed <1000 bugs there | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it can't be too hard to find :) | 17:37 |
| sECuRE | of your *specific* bugreport | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=reporter%3Atimeless | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably in that list | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+reporter%3Atimeless | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe that one | 17:38 |
| jaska | now to find a pastebin that supports upload | 17:38 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:38 | |
| timeless_mbp | searching for "time" in my buglist fails :) | 17:38 |
| jaska | probably :) | 17:38 |
| ruskie | jaska, just make a wiki page about it ;) | 17:38 |
| ruskie | or a tmo post | 17:39 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 17:39 | |
| ruskie | why? | 17:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the bug was filed by me internally | 17:40 |
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| ruskie | so it's not on bugs.maemo... so maybe a push from there might be a good idea as well | 17:41 |
| ruskie | it's one thing when a dev considers something a bug and when a user does | 17:41 |
| ruskie | things atleast in my experience tend to get treated differently | 17:42 |
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| ruskie | sECuRE, so might be a good idea for that bug | 17:43 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: pong? :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: pong | 17:44 |
| sECuRE | ruskie: well, there seem to be some reports already | 17:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | sECuRE: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/729035 | 17:44 |
| jaska | guess garage account creation mails take some time, ive mostly lurked thus far (for the past few years) | 17:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: just wanted to ask if you know where to get PR 1.2 theme template :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: hmm, i thought i already updated for it | 17:44 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it says that package is still processing | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: should be in the same place we picked up the original template | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | did it change | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | There also is a something new with shading in chats? | 17:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: The archive is currently being generated, try again later | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah | 17:46 |
| X-Fade | At least somebody has submitted a theme for that in extras-devel. | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: url? | 17:46 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, so in other words stick it where the sun don't shine and stop bugging us... we're trying to sleep | 17:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/trees/master | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: i'm comment 0 | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | but basically, yes | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: i'm not saying i absolutely agree w/ their behavior | 17:46 |
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| timeless_mbp | however, having seen how things are done | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | they're not entirely wrong | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and posix really doesn't make it easy to do what they want | 17:47 |
| ruskie | timeless_mbp, the only difference is that in windows you can modify settings to a point here you can't | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | (they should have just removed all regional stuff and managed everything using custom data like windows/osx) | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | wazd: Conversation chat view can be themed now too, it seems. | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: exactly, windows is less broken because it's a user controlled thing | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: it should be the most recent one i have access to | 17:47 |
| timeless_mbp | amusingly, we're trying to fill in a date field in harmattan right now | 17:48 |
| wazd | X-Fade: oh, that's cool | 17:48 |
| ruskie | hopefully meego will work as expected | 17:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and my colleague just asked to see a *ucking manual for help about how to fill in a date field :) | 17:48 |
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| ruskie | use iso standard date format ;) | 17:48 |
| jaska | i wish countries stopped being jerks and just used yyyy-mm-dd :) | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: we're trying 2010-05-28 | 17:49 |
| timeless_mbp | it's giving us 2010-00-00 | 17:49 |
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| ruskie | jaska, also HH:MM:SS ;) | 17:50 |
| * timeless_mbp thinks he just crashed it | 17:50 | |
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| Corsac | timeless_mbp: are you leaking the fact that harmattan will have a date field? | 17:51 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: this thing looks like a sample application | 17:51 |
| timeless_mbp | so i'm hoping it won't ship :) | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | bah | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | stuck at the barrier | 17:52 |
| Corsac | does this mean harmattan won't have any date field! | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, help? :P | 17:52 |
| Corsac | !!!! BREAKING NEWS! | 17:52 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG? | 17:53 |
| * frals throws a whale at MohammadAG | 17:53 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG barrier at jerusalem? | 17:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | Corsac: i'm definitely not promising a working date field! | 17:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | you won't ever catch me making such a promise! | 17:55 |
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| red | I'm gonna flash my device with the latest update, is that easy? :P | 17:55 |
| red | want to reset the damn thing altogether | 17:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: Do you promise to be nice? | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368 | 17:57 |
| povbot` | Bug 2368: -, timeless isn't nice | 17:57 |
| ruskie | lol | 17:58 |
| luke-jr | lol | 17:58 |
| timeless_mbp | does the face look nice? -, | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, Ramallah xD | 18:00 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG srsly? | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, yeah, went back | 18:00 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, it's dangerous there =) | 18:00 |
| ZogG | what have you forgot there? | 18:00 |
| ZogG | anyway i'm going to sleep =) | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, not for a terrorist (oops?) | 18:01 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, bring me some hash from there ))) | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, nothing, i'm 16 and apparently can't pass | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:01 |
| ruskie | fun | 18:01 |
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| ZogG | i'm going to sleep for an hour | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, where do you serve? | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | Night | 18:03 |
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| Khertan_atWork | someone maybe can say me what is the name or the class of the small throbber show in the window title in qt ? | 18:06 |
| jaska | ruskie: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaskatyni/Locale_hack hopefully the wiki formatting avoidance didnt break the format :) | 18:07 |
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| red | cool | 18:09 |
| red | cant download the firmwarve from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 18:09 |
| red | says my product id is not valid -.- | 18:09 |
| Corsac | are you sure you give the correct one? | 18:09 |
| red | well the exact same line thats in the image | 18:09 |
| red | triple checked its correct too | 18:09 |
| Khertan_atWork | pre production version ?. | 18:10 |
| red | i think not | 18:10 |
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| TigerTael | Where is your phone from? | 18:10 |
| red | Korea, bought in Finland | 18:10 |
| red | got friends imei code and it worked meh | 18:11 |
| red | should I use Global release? :P | 18:11 |
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| Nils^ | it seems my n900 keeps rebooting over and over | 18:14 |
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| Nils^ | not it seems it does | 18:14 |
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| GAN900 | red, yes. | 18:15 |
| Nils^ | I come to the "NOKIA" display, then a quick vibrate it it turns off again | 18:15 |
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| johnsu01 | Nils^: that seems to have happened to a fair number of people after the update | 18:16 |
| johnsu01 | (including me) | 18:16 |
| Nils^ | i don't even know if the update is complete. I was in the process of freeing space on rootfs | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG | any Nokias in here? | 18:17 |
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| johnsu01 | Nils^: I ended up just flashing, it worked fine after that | 18:17 |
| tank-man | Nils^, I recently found my n800 doing the same sometimes, reboots at around 4 or 5 am | 18:17 |
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| MohammadAG | ~ping | 18:17 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:17 |
| Nils^ | johnsu01: so its not bricked yet? :) | 18:17 |
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| Hariainm | hello! can anybody answer me a question? flashing my N900 keep my contacts and messages, but it will erase the call log? | 18:18 |
| johnsu01 | Nils^: well... not in a way that can't be fixed by flashing :) | 18:18 |
| Nils^ | johnsu01: ok, I have to find the right wiki site for flashing now | 18:19 |
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| Treibholz | Hariainm: do a backup! | 18:19 |
| johnsu01 | Nils^: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:19 |
| DrGrov | Good day and good day evening girls and guys | 18:19 |
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| johnsu01 | Nils^: and http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 18:19 |
| Hariainm | Treibholz: i will do, but i just wanna be sure about it | 18:20 |
| Hariainm | dont want to reset my call log, and dont know if a backup can restore it | 18:21 |
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| johnsu01 | Hariainm: my log was still present after backup => flash => restore | 18:21 |
| Hariainm | ok, thanks! | 18:21 |
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| Nils^ | Flashing will keep my memory card / home folder intact, right? my backup file is still on the phone | 18:22 |
| johnsu01 | Nils^: yes, just don't do the emmc flash | 18:22 |
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| Nils^ | johnsu01: only fiasco, right | 18:23 |
| johnsu01 | Nils^: yeah | 18:23 |
| Nils^ | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 161787293 OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11 Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 18:23 |
| Nils^ | Global Release for Germany. | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Nils^, thats the old release | 18:24 |
| lcuk | note the 2009 | 18:24 |
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| Nils^ | Latest or third then | 18:25 |
| Nils^ | ah wait | 18:25 |
| Nils^ | latest | 18:25 |
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| Nils^ | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 18:25 |
| ceesco | any chance that maemo can handle running autossh? | 18:25 |
| red | After flashing the device | 18:25 |
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| red | how long should the NOKIA logo with white background be visible? | 18:25 |
| red | the flasher exited successfully to command prompt a couple minutes ago | 18:26 |
| RST38bis | means you bricked it | 18:26 |
| * RST38bis laughs satanically | 18:26 | |
| ceesco | haha | 18:26 |
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| red | RST38bis: really? :P | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | It can be longer if battery is dead | 18:27 |
| red | it was quite low ye | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | unplug cable, unplug battery | 18:27 |
| red | it was quite low yeokay | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | plug in battery, plug in charger | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | leave till it boots on its own | 18:27 |
| red | unplugged cable and it begun booting | 18:27 |
| red | ha | 18:28 |
| red | guess it was mounted on my ubuntu still so couldnt access some files or something | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | possibly | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ubuntu is magic! | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | When it comes to phones. | 18:28 |
| red | I love ubuntu for quite many things, and hate it for some | 18:28 |
| red | but when weighing between windows 7 and it, the choice is quite clear :P | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197419/iphone_security_flaw_using_a_pin_wont_help_you.html | 18:28 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 18:30 |
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| red | iCwap | 18:30 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: bwarf | 18:31 |
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| Nils^ | is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 18:31 |
| Nils^ | the right image=? | 18:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | so um | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | openid rocks :) | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | yes it does | 18:32 |
| RST38bis | moo mgedmin | 18:32 |
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| maemouser | hello extended call log refuses to work with pr1.2, is there anything that i can do with that? and is that known? | 18:34 |
| mc_teo | i have 63mb free in my rootfs | 18:34 |
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| mc_teo | why cant i update OTA? | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | maemouser: Submit a bug against it. | 18:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197419/iphone_security_flaw_using_a_pin_wont_help_you.html | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index.php?v=info&a=view_results&s=suck | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | oh dear. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Extended%20Call%20Log | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 18:36 |
| maemouser | speedevil: i can but i wanted to be sure that i am not the only person having that issue | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | See if there is an existing reported bug | 18:36 |
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| mgedmin | maemouser, could be http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/re-pr_1-2_update_and_messaging-001/ | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | maybe | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | I don't even know what "extended call log" is | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | mc_teo, does it tell you there's not enough free space? | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Extended+Call+Log&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2 | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | woo - long URL is long. | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | To search for extended call log bugs | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Of which there are none. | 18:37 |
| visz | meh | 18:38 |
| visz | didn't get meego to boot | 18:38 |
| maemouser | it's an app which extends call logs keeping them in a db or file | 18:38 |
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| maemouser | imho a useful app | 18:38 |
| visz | mayhaps the sd wasn't correctly dd:t | 18:38 |
| * n900-dk_ is still missing changelogs when upgrading apps.. | 18:39 | |
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| mc_teo | mgedmin: no, just i go app manager -> update -> maemo blah | 18:39 |
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| Nils^ | ah, my contacts are still there after flashing. what a luck | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | mc_teo, and... ? | 18:39 |
| mc_teo | mgedmin: and then it want me to backup, and update with NSU | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | hmm | 18:39 |
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| Nils^ | Maemo 5 Version:10.2010.19-1 Is this the latest version? | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | mc_teo, there are reasons why it won't let you upgrade directly, see http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Seamless_Software_Update | 18:40 |
| maemouser | so if there is no bug reported before i am still suspicious if its only me or not | 18:41 |
| RST38bis | it is not only you | 18:41 |
| luke-jr | maemouser: that's what the last guy said when he refused to report it | 18:41 |
| luke-jr | and the guy before him | 18:41 |
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| maemouser | luke-jr: hehehehe you made me laugh bro that was a good one :) | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | how does AutoFocus work? | 18:42 |
| lcuk | on a camera in general | 18:42 |
| * luke-jr needs to clear his clipboard after copying private URIs to Nokia/TI IP :/ | 18:42 | |
| maemouser | on xchat how can i reply to someone with a shortcut sorry for my noobness :) | 18:43 |
| luke-jr | I almost pasted it on my last sentence :x | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, i thought you didnt touch anything private at all | 18:43 |
| lcuk | let alone URIs | 18:44 |
| maemouser | btw pr1.2 seems really faster in browsing, i am happy | 18:44 |
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| mc_teo | i have version 3.2010.02-8, did i miss pr1.1? | 18:44 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: it's not source code, just gpsdriver w/ debug symbols so I can give sts a useful backtrace and such | 18:44 |
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| frajer | any of you boys using xchat on your N900s ? | 18:45 |
| luke-jr | frajer: GAN900 is I think | 18:45 |
| frajer | ok | 18:45 |
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| maemouser | RST38bis: thank you very much for the feedback bro, i dont feel alone anymore | 18:46 |
| frajer | nice app just wish it had kinetic scrolling | 18:46 |
| maemouser | here noob xchat user | 18:46 |
| maemouser | who wants to know how to reply to some quicker in channel | 18:46 |
| frajer | how? | 18:47 |
| wao | wii frajer | 18:47 |
| l0up | type faster | 18:47 |
| l0up | :) | 18:47 |
| Chiku | what does OTA mean? | 18:47 |
| frajer | Over The Air | 18:48 |
| maemouser | what does red line mean in xchat | 18:48 |
| Chiku | wifi ? | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | maemouser: markerline | 18:48 |
| frajer | wifi or 3g/edge | 18:48 |
| Chiku | ok | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | maemouser: It's a reminder of what point you were up to when the window was last exposed. | 18:48 |
| Treibholz | CTRL-I helps | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | when the channel was last exposed. | 18:49 |
| maemouser | any significant meaning or just seperator | 18:49 |
| maemouser | gre | 18:49 |
| maemouser | great | 18:49 |
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| Treibholz | CTRL-I is the equivalent to TAB | 18:49 |
| frajer | what's ctri-i ? | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | also - #xchat | 18:49 |
| andre__ | frajer: a shortcut. | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I like binding autocomplete to shift-rightarrow. | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Works for me. | 18:49 |
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| maemouser | ctrl i doubles xchat windows weird | 18:50 |
| frajer | yes | 18:51 |
| maemouser | seperates status and maemo window | 18:51 |
| mgedmin | I think it means "detach tab" | 18:51 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: you're awesome. urxvt runs perfectly. I added a 30px bar on the left for scrolling, still thinking about a better solution, and I need to find some hotkey for ESC. other than that, it's brilliant. And it even is composited o.O with 32bit color depth, you can set real transparency. | 18:51 |
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| frajer | how to make the input box smaller in xchat? it's taking too much space | 18:52 |
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| E0x | urxvt on n900 ? | 18:53 |
| jaska | i removed scroll indicator from my osso-xterm and added the old no border patch to get 80x25 with a larger font | 18:53 |
| Shapeshifter | E0x: yes | 18:53 |
| E0x | cool | 18:54 |
| Shapeshifter | E0x: ruskie has it in his opt repo | 18:54 |
| maemouser | whats the shortcut of auto nick completion in xchat for replying someone | 18:54 |
| E0x | xterminal is fine for me by now | 18:54 |
| jaska | probably tab, try ctrl-i? | 18:54 |
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| GAN900 | Treibholz, you can also rebind | 18:54 |
| Treibholz | E0x: just out of curiosity: why do you want urxvt instead of osso-term? | 18:54 |
| GAN900 | fn-right arrow for tab here. | 18:54 |
| maemouser | ctrl i detaches current window from xchat | 18:54 |
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| jaska | ok, ill shut up then, never used it :) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | so, skype video call, n900 -> laptop: I can see myself; I can't see the other person; the other person cannot see me -> utter fail | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: I'm the one, not E0x | 18:55 |
| maemouser | thanks are you an irssi guy ? or connecting via pc | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | at least _sound_ works | 18:55 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: oh, ok. | 18:55 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: so: why? | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: well for once I want to be able to costumize it properly, using .Xdefaults | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | frajer: recompile :-/ | 18:55 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: it also seems to be faster | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | frajer: pass me the binary if you're finished | 18:56 |
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| jaska | maemouser: screen on another linux box running irssi | 18:56 |
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| mc_teo | "n900-fmrx-enabler" | 18:57 |
| frajer | btw tried skype video between n900 and pc - works like a charm! | 18:57 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: ok, I never needed a faster terminal on the N900. I would prefer to have the touch-stuff. | 18:57 |
| mc_teo | mgedmin: "n900-fmrx-enabler" would upgrading this work? | 18:57 |
| maemouser | jaska: does screen have any good in maemo | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | mc_teo, I don't know | 18:57 |
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| maemouser | do i need to install skype client externally to use skype video call | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | mc_teo, you have two options: simple brute-force (reflash) and hacky debugging (figure out why it won't let you upgrade, fix that) | 18:58 |
| jaska | maemouser: havent used it on the device itself, just run it on another box and ssh in | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | is it only me or you can't write lowercase letter after <dot followed by space> in conversations? | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | in pr1.w | 18:58 |
| slonopotamus | .2 | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's being smart | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | Nokia: Improving your grammar and punctuation. | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Turn off 'auto capitilasation' | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | in input settings. | 18:59 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: in fact I don't really "use" the terminal. It's more helper here and not a central application like on the Desktop. | 18:59 |
| maemouser | jaska i see thanks bro | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: i always had it enabled | 18:59 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: but pressing shift made following letter lowercase. before pr1.2 | 18:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: I use it a lot | 18:59 |
| frajer | slonopotamus: I have the exact same issue | 18:59 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: on the desktop as well ;) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: File a bug | 19:00 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: % ps ax | grep x-terminal-emulator | wc -l | 19:00 |
| Treibholz | 36 | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: The users intent is clear when they explicityly press shift | 19:00 |
| slonopotamus | frajer: reported a bug already? i'd confirm/vote | 19:00 |
| maemouser | noob question: couldn't finding skype client in app manager what may i do | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | SpeedEvil, is it? | 19:00 |
| frajer | slonopotamus: not yet | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | I press shift when I want an uppercase letter | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: I'd think so - if autocapitalise is on. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: you want the opposite of what autocap would normally do | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | if autocapitalization is on and shift makes the letter lowercase when I expect uppercase, I get angry and turn off autocapitalization | 19:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: well then. btw, you don't need the |wc -l, grep -c does the same ;) | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough. | 19:01 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: I would prefer to use urxvtd, but it crashes to often. | 19:01 |
| mgedmin | I don't know what the best solution here is | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: More options. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | But that is clearly making UI people heads explode. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | As users aren't supposed to want options. | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | All users are the same. | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: on the desktop? | 19:02 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: yes. | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | most users hate options | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And all users find the same things obvuious. | 19:02 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: odd. I've been using it for 4 years without problems | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | and they hate strawmen too | 19:02 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders working out how to revert the keyboard. | 19:02 | |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: sometimes t consumes 100% CPU, without doing anything... | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | incidentally, about the new PR 1.2 virtual keyboard -- what did it do to custom user-defined keyboard layouts? | 19:03 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: then I have to kill it and all terminals are gone... | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | uxkeyboard or what was that thing called? | 19:03 |
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| slonopotamus | mgedmin: that's irrelevant. it's a loss of functionality (having able to override autocapitalization in particular case) | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | Treibholz: 9.07-1 on 32bit, here. | 19:03 |
| slonopotamus | (the funny thing is that autocapitalization doesn't work in xchat at all) | 19:04 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: so on machines with enough RAM, I use urxvt instead of urxvtd | 19:04 |
| mgedmin | slonopotamus, being unable to type a lowercase letter is a bug, definitely | 19:04 |
| frajer | funny how people waited for 1.2 as if it was the second coming of Christ | 19:04 |
| Treibholz | Shapeshifter: v9.05 (Debian stable) | 19:04 |
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| slonopotamus | filing... | 19:04 |
| frals | its already fixed | 19:05 |
| frals | sec and ill give you the git url | 19:05 |
| mc_teo | im afraid to reflash in case i break something | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | and STILL no < turned up (caret?) in russian layout | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | heh, text selection in modest email view is still impossible :) | 19:05 |
| mgedmin | autocapitalization doesn't appear to work in xterm at all either | 19:05 |
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| frals | slonopotamus: check commit log at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-input-method-framework | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | I mean, it took them 6 months to add it, and it is still broken. Another 6 months, I guess... | 19:06 |
| frals | RST38h: hold shift -> profit? | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | frals: Oh, no, not that simple | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | frals: see last comments to bug #5033 | 19:07 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5033 Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken | 19:07 |
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| frals | doh :) | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | grrr hate how the VKB swaps newlines with actual text | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | open VKB in Notes with a line of text, go to the end of the field, press (virtual) enter and type another line of text below the first one | 19:08 |
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| puphome | upstromp der kootenleiben | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | you end up with an empty line, followed by the new text and the old text following the new one, without any whitespace | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | total borkness | 19:09 |
| slonopotamus | frajer: bug 10391 | 19:09 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10391 [REGRESSION] no longer possible to override autocapitalization | 19:09 |
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| frajer | slonopotamus: thanks. I see now | 19:10 |
| frajer | can't believe they screwed up autocapitalization :-( | 19:11 |
| RST38h | 10000+ bugs! | 19:11 |
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| RST38h | slono: + still no switch to ru layout on Ctrl+Space. | 19:11 |
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| slonopotamus | frajer: they screwed up stupid text selection in mail :) | 19:12 |
| * slonopotamus isn't sure pr1.2 gives him any advantages over pr1.1 | 19:12 | |
| mgedmin | then again maybe it's different from bug 8750 | 19:13 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8750 wrong 'enter' behavior with onscreen keyboard and x terminal | 19:13 |
| mgedmin | this is confusing | 19:13 |
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| slonopotamus_ | meh | 19:15 |
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| slonopotamus_ | RST38h: it always switched for me | 19:15 |
| slonopotamus_ | RST38h: how you broke ctrl+space? | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | slono: I have a EURO1 device | 19:16 |
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| hardaker2 | sigh... qt4.6.2 on maemo broke the background role (for tables at least) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | slono: with all four arrows and no cyrillics. Maemo5 thinks this disqualifies me from being able to switch | 19:17 |
| frajer | is it possible in xchat to be connected to two different networks at the same time? | 19:17 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: four arrows rock :) i only have two | 19:17 |
| RST38h | frajer: yes | 19:17 |
| frajer | RST38h: how? | 19:18 |
| slonopotamus | frajer: open network list again and select another server? | 19:19 |
| mc_teo | fuck it | 19:19 |
| mc_teo | im just going to flash it | 19:19 |
| slonopotamus | mc_teo: that won't help | 19:19 |
| frajer | slonopotamus: silly me! thanks | 19:20 |
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| dotblank | So whose writing an app for the contest? | 19:21 |
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| mc_teo | slonopotamus: why wont it? | 19:22 |
| mc_teo | ive tried everything, and it refuses to update OTA | 19:22 |
| mc_teo | anyone link to the fiasco image? | 19:23 |
| ruskie | standacd location | 19:23 |
| TomaszD | don't forget to flash eMMC too | 19:24 |
| ruskie | not required | 19:24 |
| slonopotamus | mc_teo: fucking it? well, because phones don't work that way | 19:24 |
| mc_teo | ... | 19:25 |
| mc_teo | ruskie: well i have never needed to know where the standard location is? | 19:25 |
| ruskie | should be on the wiki on how to flash your device | 19:25 |
| pronto | when ssh'ing to the n900, what is the rootpassword? | 19:27 |
| ruskie | whatever you set it to when installing openssh | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ruskie: you should have been forced to set one when you installed ssh-server | 19:27 |
| pronto | i jsut removed it, and reinstalled it, didn't ask for a password | 19:27 |
| timeless_mbp | s/ruskie/pronto/ | 19:27 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: pronto: you should have been forced to set one when you installed ssh-server | 19:27 |
| n900-dk_ | Why is it called 'fiasco'? | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | use sudo gainroot | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and then passwd | 19:28 |
| timeless_mbp | n900-dk_: because finns have a lame sense of humor | 19:28 |
| n900-dk_ | heh | 19:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's being generous | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | instead of assuming they're ignorant | 19:29 |
| n900-dk_ | another stupid idea in the sauna :) | 19:29 |
| timeless_mbp | which is more likely | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | frajer: my bug was closed as a dupe. track bug 10310 | 19:29 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift | 19:29 |
| mc_teo | wow you have a dick bot here too | 19:29 |
| mc_teo | s/dick/sed'n/ | 19:29 |
| infobot | mc_teo meant: wow you have a sed'n bot here too | 19:29 |
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| frajer | slonopotamus: ok. I see | 19:30 |
| mc_teo | can it regex properly | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | mc_teo: it regexed properly | 19:31 |
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| mc_teo | whats the difference between the UK edition, and the others | 19:32 |
| Corsac | the country | 19:33 |
| mc_teo | (im in ireland, so i dont know does it count) | 19:33 |
| n900-dk_ | the language? | 19:33 |
| mc_teo | since some silly people still consider ireland as part of the UL | 19:33 |
| mc_teo | UK* | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | mc_teo: uk has different limits on wifi power | 19:33 |
| mc_teo | and believe it or not, irish people actually speak english | 19:34 |
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| mc_teo | (i.e. the same language as in UK) | 19:34 |
| kynky | and maybe some speak gaelic ? | 19:34 |
| Treibholz | mc_teo: well, it sounds a bit like english, yes... | 19:34 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo: stop trolling | 19:34 |
| n900-dk_ | I meant 'the others'. Could be another country. | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | maybe they think they speak irish | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | kynky: actually, it's just irish | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | special chars keyboard doesn't open anymore | 19:35 |
| kynky | crashanddie, fair enough :) | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | anyone knows what i should restart? | 19:35 |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus: life. | 19:35 |
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| dotblank | does the new ovi maps have turn by turn | 19:37 |
| n900-dk_ | dotblank: nope | 19:37 |
| kynky | you can get turn by turn from someone else if you pay | 19:37 |
| mc_teo | kynky: only like 100 people *in the world* speak irish as theyre primary language | 19:38 |
| mc_teo | their* | 19:38 |
| kynky | or i guess you figure out how to put android on n900 | 19:38 |
| * n900-dk_ wonders how people found their way in the old days aka before turn-by-turn.. | 19:40 | |
| ZogG | so if meego goes rpm we can rebuild packages - what what about closed(non opensource) ones? | 19:40 |
| cure` | n900-dk_ with a map and tons of argueing with the wife | 19:41 |
| cure` | -e | 19:41 |
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| ruskie | n900-dk_, or simply asking for directions ;) | 19:41 |
| ZogG | n900-dk_ you always had wife turn_by_turn feature | 19:41 |
| kynky | n900-dk_, ask directions from the locals | 19:41 |
| cure` | which came with tons of arguing | 19:41 |
| n900-dk_ | now there is only argueing with the wife left :) | 19:42 |
| kynky | lol | 19:42 |
| kynky | you never argued with the sat nav ? | 19:42 |
| n900-dk_ | actually I dont have one. | 19:43 |
| * ruskie finds turn-by-turn annoying | 19:43 | |
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| ruskie | lanther look at a map before leaving | 19:43 |
| ruskie | gah so can't type this week | 19:43 |
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| crashanddie | wow, Facebook serves 570 billion page views a month (= 19 billion a day = 792 million an hour = 13 million a minute = 220k a second). Amazing that they're running it off a cluster of 5 N900's! | 19:44 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo: actually, it's closer to 350k people who speak irish natively. and about half a million who speak it daily. | 19:45 |
| kynky | and they using php | 19:45 |
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| zaheerm | crashanddie, 1 of those n900s is just a hot spare | 19:45 |
| mc_teo | crashanddie: i am irish | 19:45 |
| crashanddie | right | 19:45 |
| mc_teo | i was born here, and i live here (in ireland) | 19:46 |
| mc_teo | you no nothing | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | I know how to spell, for one. | 19:46 |
| mc_teo | native irish speakers are so rare, you have to pay to see them | 19:46 |
| mc_teo | s/no/know/ | 19:46 |
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| mc_teo | anyway, now i think my n900 is really fecked | 19:47 |
| crashanddie | good | 19:47 |
| ruskie | mc_teo, how so? | 19:47 |
| mc_teo | i was moving things around | 19:47 |
| mc_teo | to make more room in rootfs | 19:48 |
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| mc_teo | and i turned it off to get the product number under the battery | 19:48 |
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| ruskie | can get it in about device as well ;) | 19:48 |
| ruskie | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <-- anyway here are both relevant links | 19:49 |
| mc_teo | and when i turned it back on, its in an infinite loop of booting until PIN request screen, then rebooting | 19:49 |
| mc_teo | and cant stop it, without removing battery | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | what kind of stuff were you moving around? | 19:49 |
| ZogG | ~flashing | 19:49 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:49 |
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| mc_teo | crashanddie: like the icon files, and the startup video (which i believe to be the problem) from that talk thread on making more room on rootfs | 19:50 |
| ruskie | well pr1.2 actually moves quite a bit to /opt | 19:50 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo: are you running pr1.2? | 19:50 |
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| mc_teo | crashanddie: no | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | because I'm having heaps of free space on my n900 after it, no need to clean anything up | 19:51 |
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| crashanddie | just flash to pr1.2 then and be done with it | 19:51 |
| deja_vu | hi | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | hi deja_vu | 19:51 |
| ruskie | there's an event.d script that optifies some stuff | 19:51 |
| ruskie | in pr1.2 | 19:51 |
| ruskie | on bootup | 19:51 |
| frals | has anyone tried to open a .vcf file from modest on the n900? | 19:51 |
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| ruskie | frals, that's a vcard right? | 19:55 |
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| frals | yeah | 19:55 |
| ruskie | don't have any to try | 19:55 |
| ruskie | an ics gets asked for calendar inclusion | 19:56 |
| ruskie | I would assume a vcf mould go to contacts | 19:56 |
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| frals | yeah.. i have a feeling its the one i sent myself which is fubar because modest is reporting "File error" when i try to save/open it | 19:57 |
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| frals | ah, text/x-vcard=hildon-osso-addressbook.desktop | 20:02 |
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| microlith | hmm | 20:03 |
| microlith | anyone know if it's possible to set up an explicit right-click in easy debian? | 20:03 |
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| GAN900 | The Gartner thread cracks me up. | 20:08 |
| frals | GAN900: fwiw, ive added vcard receive support in fmms now ;) | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | frals, lol | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | frals, how bad was it? | 20:08 |
| frals | tis was really simple | 20:09 |
| frals | once i tracked down which app handled it and how to make it handle it | 20:09 |
| frals | http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/commit/da168720fd823ba7262b22dfb58ad045142f9737 | 20:09 |
| * ruskie is quite happy with no MMS support | 20:09 | |
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| n900-dk_ | ruskie: Why are you happy about that? | 20:09 |
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| GAN900 | frals, cool. | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | frals, it just notified me of the update. :P | 20:10 |
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| frals | hmm, that one doesnt have it though :) | 20:10 |
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| frals | will be in next version, just commited to git | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | Update whore. | 20:12 |
| frals | someone gotta 'release early, release often' ;-) | 20:12 |
| jaska | shoot first, shoot often | 20:13 |
| n900-dk_ | frals: Where can we find the changelogs for fMMS? | 20:14 |
| frals | debian/control in the package... ;o | 20:14 |
| frals | last x are shown at http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 20:14 |
| n900-dk_ | oh, great | 20:15 |
| jaska | erm, is there a way to get rid of the midgard cms toolbar, "page folder website online help"? | 20:15 |
| lcuk | logout :p | 20:15 |
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| frals | MohammadAG, i got a project for you! | 20:15 |
| jaska | guess i'll just url filter the .js :) | 20:15 |
| frals | MohammadAG, package xdg-utils and make sure it works! ;) | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | frals, yeah sure, give me 10 minutes | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | what's xdg-utils lol | 20:17 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2724#c1 | 20:19 |
| povbot` | Bug 2724: Please provide xdg-utils | 20:19 |
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| frals | so i can do a 'catch all' for all attachments in fmms and have them open correctly ;) | 20:19 |
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| satmd | xdg is nice | 20:20 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, fix dh: Unknown sequence patch (choose from: binary binary-arch binary-indep build clean install) and it should be built | 20:26 |
| frals | O_o | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | if you can't fix it, comment it out! | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | xdg-utils_1.0.2-6.1ubuntu3_all.deb | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | (shame that doesn't work with the hostmode driver) | 20:29 |
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| * n900-dk_ can't find anything new in the facebook-widget for PR1.2.. | 20:34 | |
| Shapeshifter | How does a .desktop file have too look so that hildon will allow multiple instances? | 20:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | as in, usually it will just open the already existing instance if using an icon | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, ping | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | png | 20:40 |
| RST38h | whazzup? | 20:40 |
| Shapeshifter | gah. this desktop command execution widget has a very big flaw | 20:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | same with queen beecon: whenever a non-ascii character comes up, it cuts of the output. | 20:42 |
| Shapeshifter | It can't handle non-ascii characters. | 20:43 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, you ever get the FBReader clock fixed? | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/28/ipad_love_affair_goes_sour/ | 20:44 |
| RST38h | GAN: Of course I did | 20:44 |
| RST38h | GAN: The version in Extras should only update it once each 30 seconds | 20:44 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, ah, cool, thanks. | 20:44 |
| RST38h | PR1.2 seems to have introduced a slight problem at startup (you have to click on the Book Loading banner) | 20:45 |
| Passeli | where is search functionality at PR1.2 in application manager? | 20:45 |
| RST38h | I will fix that in the next release, once I get time to work on it. FBReader 0.14 probably comes in the next release too | 20:45 |
| frals | open a section and start typing Passeli | 20:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: You don't. | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: It just takes ages. | 20:46 |
| GAN900 | Passeli, search is live in (nearly) all lists. | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd just been leaving it - I thought the book I'd loaded just must have had lots of graphics | 20:46 |
| Passeli | oh, cool | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | Speed: I click on it and it goes away | 20:48 |
| RST38h | instantly | 20:48 |
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| RST38h | So it is some kind of a change in the already broken Gtk | 20:48 |
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| * RST38h likes how jobs-bitten use "my ipad" in every second sentence, even when whining about "my ipad" not delivering on the promises | 20:56 | |
| n900-dk | Does VertSMS work for you guys after PR1.2 update? | 20:58 |
| lcuk | RST38h, looks like you are leaking memes into here :P | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG | n900-dk, worksforme | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'd not been clicking on it and waiting - I'm not saying clicking does not | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Speed: Anyway, I will investigate what the hell it is doing there. Looks weird | 21:03 |
| n900-dk | MohammadAG: hmm, will try reinstall then | 21:04 |
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| louigiverona | hey guys! latest maemo update on my N900 asks me to use a Nokia updater. however, afaik, it does not run under linux and i have no windows machine. how to update then? | 21:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 21:09 |
| RST38h | apt-get | 21:09 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:09 |
| n900-dk | VertSMS still exits when I try to start it.. | 21:09 |
| n900-dk | what is the commandline for it, maybe there is some output there? | 21:10 |
| RST38h | "A correction has been posted. It was 100,000 in 5 weeks, not 5 months." <--- ehehehehe | 21:10 |
| louigiverona | but i don't want to flash my device. i have loads of apps installed! i just want it updated | 21:11 |
| RST38h | apt-get. | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | Well, from the previous SSU I'd say these questions would be relevant: how much free space do you have on / ? Have you installed anything from extras-devel or extras-testing? | 21:12 |
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| * tybollt fixes fmms | 21:13 | |
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| louigiverona | ShadowJK, what's SSU? I have loads of free space on /. most of my apps are from extras devel | 21:13 |
| ShadowJK | ssu = update | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | how much is loads | 21:14 |
| frals | if you click details on the update it should show whats conflicting | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | I'm guessing QT apps from extras-devel would be problematic :) | 21:14 |
| frals | it did for me at least :o | 21:14 |
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| louigiverona | loads is over 1 Gb | 21:15 |
| louigiverona | it doesn't say it is conflicting | 21:15 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | over 1g shouldn't be possible :-D | 21:15 |
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| louigiverona | it says to update you need to connect device to pc | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /topic! | 21:16 |
| lcuk | yes louigiverona use the backup tool on n900, back up your data and application selections, then do what you have to and restore if required | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | (because having over 1 gigabyte free on a 256 megabyte device would be a bit hard) | 21:16 |
| lcuk | compression could theoretically make it feasible | 21:17 |
| louigiverona | 256? i have N900 | 21:17 |
| RST38h | 1. Do a backup | 21:17 |
| RST38h | 2. Move apt-get cache to the MMC card | 21:17 |
| louigiverona | 2 Gb of space on / | 21:17 |
| RST38h | 3. Use apt-get to install PR1.2 from the command line | 21:17 |
| lcuk | louigiverona, where are you reading the 2gb from? | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | not possible ^ | 21:18 |
| louigiverona | settings memory | 21:18 |
| RST38h | 2Gb = 256MB | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | (unless you did some serious 1337 hax0ring) | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | that's /opt | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | (or /home to be more precise) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | Notice small "b" - that is "bit" | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | N900 has 256 megabyte nand on /, 32 gigabyte emmc, out of which 2 gigabyte is on /home and /opt, 768 meg swap, and the rest in /home/user/MyDocs. "df -h /" in x-terminal should give you free space on /. | 21:18 |
| louigiverona | sec | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | Especially stuff from extras-devel is known to consume space on the small / | 21:18 |
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| lcuk | ok louigiverona yes its rather misleading | 21:19 |
| frals | hmm, i wonder if i should do localization in fmms now | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | see how FSCKNG HFM makes things easy for users by cheating on them about real filesystem?! FFS!!! | 21:19 |
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| ShadowJK | It wouldn't be such an issue if people stopped putting stuff in / ;) | 21:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the nicest part is that i have 23gb of normal space free | 21:19 |
| lcuk | but my blue bar is only 10-15% along | 21:20 |
| louigiverona | haha | 21:20 |
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| louigiverona | 15 Mb free, guys | 21:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Should I tell you the biggest who the biggest offenders are? Or do you know it yourself? | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, I don't install anything from extras-devel, so no | 21:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: [hint: none of them are Extras* apps] | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | and I don't install anything from Ovi | 21:20 |
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| ShadowJK | for some reason they want me to sign up for something or other | 21:21 |
| andrewfblack | was their any change to Maemo supporting WPA2-Enterprise in Pr 1.2? | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | 23800 /usr/lib/microb-engine | 21:21 |
| RST38h | 23352 /usr/lib/locale | 21:21 |
| RST38h | 14164 /usr/share/microb-engine/chrome | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Here | 21:21 |
| lcuk | RST38h, some of that is historical | 21:21 |
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| ceesco | is there a smartphone that has a true Debian OS under the hood? | 21:22 |
| lcuk | due entirely to the flashing mechanism | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, I don't count the preinstalled stuff :) | 21:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It does not really matter. The original complaint was that the Extras* stuff consumes / | 21:22 |
| lcuk | now hopefully as packages are built more can be pre-optified o_O | 21:22 |
| lcuk | yeah sure | 21:22 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I know for sure that this is no longer true. Has not been for a while. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | because at the time there was no way to do anything about standard | 21:22 |
| louigiverona | RST38h, how do i move apt-get cache to a card? | 21:22 |
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| RST38h | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Move_apt_cache_outside_of_rootfs | 21:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer does rm -rf /usr/lib/locale/* | 21:23 | |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i used to do similar stuff, but i couldnt expect anyone else too | 21:24 |
| jaska | some stuff breaks, or displays those foo_bar_baz messages | 21:24 |
| jaska | if you want to trim /usr/lib/locale you prolly need to remove files from the locale-archive.. and more in /usr/share/locale :) | 21:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer expects fsckng maemo to explode on next boot | 21:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 21:25 |
| infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 21:25 |
| jaska | atleast on n810 stuff started showing ckpt_blah_blah messages | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I like that so much | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | The solution is read-only / ;-) | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Was that a hitler-smiley-face? =) | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | read only root | 21:26 |
| lcuk | does anyone know how autofocus works? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess I have an idea | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | The updates are so rare anyway, and require reboots most of hte time, that one might as well boot a magical special kernel that can write to nand but not do much else, and keep / read-only most of the other time (and /var, /etc on emmc) | 21:27 |
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| ShadowJK | If you can't write to / you can't fill it up :] | 21:27 |
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| lcuk | .,jh .mju.,k.lo,k .ki 8i., lk 8iol vju./. | 21:28 |
| lcuk | ~?@:#] | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | crap | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you take a "photo", then run a FFT over the video data of the focus window, and sum up the high frequencies | 21:28 |
| jaska | the last part looks like a weird smiley | 21:28 |
| jaska | ~?@:#] | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: then you move focus a little, and do same | 21:28 |
| lcuk | lol jaska much less mundane - spilt dregs of a drink on keyboard | 21:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or you don't, and you just highpass it. | 21:29 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, well i was thinking whether using newtons method would work - taking the results of the clarity as the guess | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | Or the OO approach: take photo at each focus setting, compress it to jpeg at quality 90, the picture with biggest jpeg has best focus | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: when you've get a lower high freq energy/sum than with prev focus, you go back to the prev and call that sweet spot | 21:29 |
| red | Hmm, I flashed my device today and just enabled extras-testing and devel, but where has the Search functionality from app manager disappeared? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | well ive got a simple little edge detection routine that runs nice and quick and can count the pixels in high focus | 21:30 |
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| red | Or was that an additional app that provided the functionality? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, http://liqbase.net/liq.20100526_040359.liqcam.scr.png | 21:30 |
| lcuk | and obviously at best focus theres most hits | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: That works too | 21:31 |
| red | anyone any ideas? | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can also window that | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | red: start typing | 21:31 |
| lcuk | sure | 21:31 |
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| lcuk | red, go into categories and all, then type | 21:32 |
| red | SpeedEvil: ah it's changed to work like the contacts popping up then? :D | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's roundabout same as what I explained before :-) | 21:32 |
| lcuk | most of the lists now in fremantle work the same way :) | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:32 |
| lcuk | yeah DocScrutinizer but FFT is costly | 21:32 |
| red | Does it only search by package name now, since I used the package name + info search too. | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | highpass is cheap - especially 1D | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | name only I think unfortunately. | 21:32 |
| red | Wonder whos idea this nifty change was sigh | 21:33 |
| lcuk | but we can get you a hannah montana screensaver listed at the top ! | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: doesn't matter if you do a FFT, or any other algo to detect the 'high frequencies' aka edges | 21:33 |
| lcuk | red the list searching is generally good feature for general stuff - but i can see your point if the search did used to also do deep searching | 21:34 |
| red | I used it a lot | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (jpeg) not always | 21:35 |
| red | when I realized I'd like an app that can do a certain niche, i'd use that and usually find or not find. | 21:35 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:35 |
| red | Now instead I have to go thru all the applications listed and read descriptions :P | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: imagine a black/white half/half background. You may get better rsults when you got no blur at he border | 21:36 |
| lopz | hi | 21:36 |
| lopz | how cast char to char* ? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 21:37 |
| Shapeshifter | lopz: /j ##c++ | 21:37 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, would be hard for digital camera to align an 8pixel (or multiple) grid | 21:37 |
| lopz | char *foo(char k) { return (char*) k;} <- error | 21:37 |
| lopz | Shapeshifter, uhmm.. | 21:37 |
| n900-dk | red: I used that too.. | 21:38 |
| lcuk | lopz, errr | 21:38 |
| lcuk | that wouldnt work | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | return &k; would work ? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | #define AddressOf(k) &(k) | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I thought of 2 areas, with vertical border | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | uh | 21:38 |
| lopz | ShadowJK, not :S | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: will yield two uniform blocks in jpeg | 21:38 |
| lcuk | as a function it would not work | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | but I guess k is only in a register without an address | 21:38 |
| lcuk | because you pass the char in on the stack | 21:38 |
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| lcuk | and you only need the address of the char | 21:39 |
| red | n900-dk: thank god our App Manager doesn't have as much apps as Apples | 21:39 |
| red | ;P | 21:39 |
| lcuk | but if you want it as a char * with null terminator | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: while a gradient caused by blur will make jpeg compression go mad about it | 21:39 |
| lcuk | you need more | 21:39 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure but from camera that would be hard to get | 21:39 |
| lopz | lcuk, how would I do to return the same value, if k = 'a' return 'to', because my function returns a pointer to char, char k is only | 21:39 |
| lcuk | lopz, when you say you want a char* | 21:39 |
| lcuk | what do you need it for | 21:39 |
| lcuk | does it need just the address in memory of the character | 21:40 |
| lcuk | or do you need to use it as a null terminated string | 21:40 |
| n900-dk | red: But doesn't it look like, that it also searches in the app-infos? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: just calculate sigma(pixel - pixel-left) | 21:40 |
| lopz | lcuk, http://dpaste.com/200426/ my code :) | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all pixels in your focus window | 21:40 |
| n900-dk | red: It does | 21:41 |
| lopz | lcuk, yes, a null terminated string :) | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | lopz, ok - so i can see you creating a constant array containing items | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | make that sigma(ABS(p - p1)) | 21:41 |
| lcuk | are you wanting to append new dict items to this array? | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, noise threshhold makes that fail but i get the point | 21:42 |
| lcuk | noisy version of the algo: http://liqbase.net/liq.20100526_032541.liqcam.scr.png | 21:43 |
| tybollt | anyone in here using a selfsat dish? Please PM me :) | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: mhm | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: why do you ask? you already know everything you got to know ;-D | 21:44 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i was asking how its done properly | 21:45 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | not just based on what i think it should do | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think that *is* as proper as it gets | 21:45 |
| * ShadowJK 'd use dct not fft, but yeah :D | 21:45 | |
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| lopz | lcuk, If elements are added, but manuals in the code:) | 21:45 |
| lopz | What I do is that if a "key" is not its value, then return the same key, but key is a char and the value is char * so find_value function returns a char *, and when you do not find ... return key, throws error, key is a char and need to return char * | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | (because you could "borrow" highly-optmized DCTs from video code) | 21:46 |
| lcuk | that doesnt make sense lopz | 21:46 |
| lcuk | who allocates the return value for you? | 21:46 |
| lcuk | who would destroy it? | 21:46 |
| lopz | lcuk, yes | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 21:46 |
| lcuk | normally in c, functions that work on strings normally get the caller to pass in a buffer and a size | 21:46 |
| lcuk | so that the function can populate it with the result | 21:47 |
| lcuk | now using a strange mix of constants and dynamic selections would make that tough | 21:47 |
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| lopz | lcuk, in fun produce... output = strcat(output, get_value(rules[i].key)); | 21:47 |
| lcuk | and if the caller expected to hold onto multiple result values you are left needing to either have caller free() the result string | 21:48 |
| lcuk | sure lopz | 21:48 |
| Shapeshifter | Mh. My fonts grew. odd. I think this happened around the time I installed a .Xdefaults | 21:48 |
| Shapeshifter | they're all too large. | 21:48 |
| lopz | lcuk, then use the result, I imitate the dict.get (i, i) python:) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | but what if you need printf("Hello from %s i am %s to see you", get_value(rules[i].key, get_value(rules[i+1].key) | 21:48 |
| lcuk | python is different | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | it has different mechanism to free resources | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | lopz: C isn't python, you can't write python code in C | 21:49 |
| lcuk | i can see what you want to do | 21:49 |
| lcuk | there is a way! | 21:50 |
| lcuk | lopz | 21:50 |
| lcuk | struct dict{ char *key, char *data } | 21:50 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping | 21:50 |
| lcuk | change your constant definition to use strings for both key and data | 21:50 |
| lcuk | char* | 21:50 |
| lcuk | {"A","B"} | 21:50 |
| lcuk | etc | 21:50 |
| lcuk | instead of {'A',"B"} | 21:50 |
| lcuk | then if you need to return the char*, you can happy and safe in the knowledge its null terminated | 21:51 |
| lcuk | if (rules[i].key[0] == key) | 21:51 |
| lcuk | is the only drastic change | 21:51 |
| lopz | if (rules[i].key[0] == *key) right? | 21:52 |
| lcuk | no, you are still testing key as a char? | 21:52 |
| lopz | wait.. | 21:52 |
| lcuk | for string comparisons use the strcmp style functions | 21:52 |
| lcuk | but if you still expect to use only a char as key still | 21:53 |
| lcuk | then use the first index in the array rules[i].key[0] | 21:53 |
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| lcuk | its not writable | 21:53 |
| lopz | oh, ok, strcmp | 21:53 |
| lcuk | but it gives you a read only array of dict pairs | 21:53 |
| lcuk | this totally fails when yo uwant to add more :P | 21:53 |
| lcuk | but would answer your problem as requested without drastic change | 21:54 |
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| lopz | lcuk, thaaanks :=) | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | bhttp://dpaste.com/200444/ | 21:55 |
| lcuk | lopz, -b | 21:55 |
| lopz | lcuk, ok, i test.. | 21:57 |
| Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/Screenshot-20100528-205711.png urxvt ftw if you ask me ;) | 21:57 |
| Shapeshifter | ruskie: thanks again for packaging it. I'll work out all the quirks and inform you if I can improve the situation. | 21:58 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, thats pretty damned sweet | 21:58 |
| lcuk | can it have a toolbar :$ | 21:58 |
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| crashanddie | wrong button | 22:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | more keys would be awesome. Like, say, 4 buttons on each side on the back of the phone like one of those console controllers ;) | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | ... | 22:18 |
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| jaska | where is this urxvt repo? | 22:19 |
| Shapeshifter | jaska: ruskies repo: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#My_repos use the "opt" one. | 22:19 |
| jaska | ook, ty | 22:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | I wonder why I have to press shift+return on the n900 when using urxvt, ssh and screen to enter something in irssi. works fine everywhere else... | 22:34 |
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| jatt | conky says the device has 45MiB free in the rootfs. The maemo upgrade says that 113MB are required. If I go ahead with the upgrade it will fail won't it? | 22:36 |
| Ian-- | jatt use flasher | 22:38 |
| Ian-- | just take a backup first | 22:38 |
| Ian-- | then restore it | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jatt: probably not | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jatt: the 113 aren't just on rootfs | 22:40 |
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| red | mm | 22:41 |
| jatt` | I see | 22:41 |
| red | can't seem to find any way to set the N900 calendars default view to Month | 22:41 |
| red | I hate agenda view. | 22:41 |
| frajer | so what is this urxvt repo for? | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jatt: anyway if all else fails, you're free to flash any time ;-D | 22:42 |
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| jatt` | but are 45MiB enough? I've read in the mailing list that people clean some apt cache to save space | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | allegedly 45 are just enough | 22:43 |
| jatt` | sure I want to avoid flashing though :) | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | disable all repos | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | first | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | some say they needed 48 | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | well - other than nokia server update | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jatt`: if SSU starts, it usually runs to finish without problems | 22:44 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 22:45 |
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| xDaReaperx | i just updated my maemo to 10.2010.19-1.003 | 22:46 |
| xDaReaperx | is this the PR1.2 version ? | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:46 |
| xDaReaperx | does PR mean Pre Release ? | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 22:46 |
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| xDaReaperx | can i know what all are the new stuff included | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | It means Penguin Rapper. | 22:47 |
| xDaReaperx | Oh a development name | 22:47 |
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| TomaszD | .. | 22:47 |
| jatt` | ok I am disabling repos now, i have a nokia application repo and a nokia system software updates repo it's ok to deactivate the former? | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:47 |
| hardaker2 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 | 22:47 |
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| xDaReaperx | Thank you :) | 22:48 |
| jatt` | btw how to do a backup? | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jatt`: It will ask you as you go throught he process | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | jatt`: Otherwise select the cunningly named 'backup' app | 22:49 |
| lcuk | on the main menu | 22:49 |
| xDaReaperx | well yeah usually when u update it will ask for you to backup | 22:49 |
| Shapeshifter | Is there no way of getting hildon-desktop to start multiple instances when hitting buttons in the menu or on the desktop? no matter what app I try, they all just launch one instance and there doesn't seem to be a setting for .desktop files or something. | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, isnt it related to osso registration | 22:50 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: osso registration? where does that happen? | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, /usr/share/dbus-1/services | 22:53 |
| lcuk | afaik the .desktop file mentions which service to run | 22:54 |
| lcuk | if its opening by service, it only opens 1 instance | 22:54 |
| lcuk | but on my ubuntu i cannot right click on ANY .desktop file | 22:54 |
| Shapeshifter | there's X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true and X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 22:54 |
| lcuk | because it attempts to treat it as an actual .desktop file | 22:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | other then that, I don't see anything osso related | 22:55 |
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| lcuk | X-Osso-Service=org.maemo.liqtactoe | 22:55 |
| lcuk | X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable | 22:55 |
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| GAN900 | "N900 is now following you on Twitter" | 22:55 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: well osso-xterm.desktop for example, doesn't contain anything like that | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | How do these people keep finding me | 22:56 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: oh wait, it does. | 22:56 |
| sp3000 | GAN900: well, see, in soviet russia, N900 f... oh | 22:56 |
| Shapeshifter | X-Osso-Service=xterm but I removed it for my urxvt.desktop file. it still launches it only once. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | GAN900, you are holding your n900 - its just taken it a while to recognise you! | 22:56 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, i dunno then | 22:56 |
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| jatt` | the list of resolved bugs in that wiki page is quite compelling | 22:57 |
| lcuk | jatt`, the devs did quite well didnt they :) | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wait for hte list of new bugs. | 22:58 |
| jatt` | what is the advantage of deactivating repos before the upgrade? | 22:58 |
| jatt` | haha | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | jatt`, space | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually no haha | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, as part of PR1.2 we had a regression in the bug tracker | 22:59 |
| lcuk | but we cant file a bug against it :p | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~recursion | 23:01 |
| infobot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ~recursion | 23:02 |
| infobot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion | 23:02 |
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| jcrawford | sweet my N900 just arrived :) | 23:03 |
| jcrawford | sucks that MeeGo will not be put on the N900 :( | 23:03 |
| jcrawford | officially anyway | 23:03 |
| thunderfest | idk its not really that big deal to me | 23:04 |
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| svanheulen | hello | 23:04 |
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| jcrawford | waiting for the latest update to download/install | 23:05 |
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| red | any canola users present? | 23:06 |
| thunderfest | I use canola | 23:07 |
| etrunko | red: yup | 23:07 |
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| red | etrunko: cant seem to be able to type | 23:08 |
| red | like when saving playlist etc | 23:08 |
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| red | before reflahs i could work around it by tapping the n900 off button and returning to the app | 23:09 |
| red | and then it worked.. not anymore :( | 23:09 |
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| CLabel | ~loop | 23:13 |
| infobot | Console utility. URL: http://home.midsouth.rr.com/biermans/ | 23:13 |
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| Arkenoi | i get strange battery drains after update | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | say, 20% in a few minutes | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | anyone else experiencing that? | 23:13 |
| microlith | Is wifi on? | 23:13 |
| Arkenoi | yes, but there was no ap in range | 23:14 |
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| supertramp | guys | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | doesn't that eat the most power.. | 23:14 |
| Arkenoi | it was on cellular data connection | 23:14 |
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| supertramp | is it possible to do full backup using some kind of image? | 23:14 |
| microlith | Arkenoi: wifi just being on probably did it | 23:14 |
| supertramp | something like create my own flash image from currently running system | 23:15 |
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| * ShadowJK doesn't trust the nokia charge meter to accurately tell the difference between 60% and 80% battery, or 80% and 100% | 23:15 | |
| Arkenoi | microlith, never seen anything like that before update | 23:15 |
| Arkenoi | it just sucks | 23:15 |
| microlith | weird | 23:15 |
| microlith | wifi has always been a battery eater for me | 23:15 |
| Arkenoi | well, i see *huge* fast drop on battery meter | 23:15 |
| microlith | much worse than the screen, and way worse than the CPU | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, did you reboot in between readings? | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | nope | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: It's about the same as the CPU flat-out | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: Without powersave. | 23:16 |
| microlith | which remind me that I should try PR1.2 WiFi with max power management on against my wifi | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: With powersave - it uses ~.1%/hour | 23:16 |
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| Arkenoi | and the overall stability sucks | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | In my experience, when the "wifi bug" hits, all you need to do is ifconfig wlan0 down from rootshell and it stops eating battery | 23:17 |
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| Arkenoi | i get some mess with incoming message | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | one in conversation inbox that just does not go away and not shown in conversations | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | expect wifi to eat battery like mad, if you config AP as 'hidden SSID' | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | ShadowJK, that means we have to watch that out, and that sucks in turn | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | of any of your connections | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | Arkenoi, I've had it on 1.1.1 | 23:18 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't updated to 1.2 | 23:18 | |
| tybollt | sjk: You're missing out | 23:19 |
| ShadowJK | on all the regressions, no doubt :D | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | as soon as you have a hidden AP configured, the wifi needs to ask all AP in vicinity about if they are this AP of name foobar | 23:19 |
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| midas_ | anybody that got skype video calling working? | 23:20 |
| jaska | hidden ssid provides approx zero added security :) | 23:20 |
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| * ShadowJK still hasn't seen anyone claim skype video is supposed to be working | 23:22 | |
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| Unksi | its working well with 1.2 :p | 23:25 |
| Unksi | tested both over wlan and 3g | 23:25 |
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| frajer | skype video is working like a charm for me | 23:27 |
| jophish | ratbags. All of my configs are gone from my n900 after pr1.2 | 23:27 |
| jophish | only one home screen. Cant see contacts, can't connect to any wifi. | 23:27 |
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| frajer | jophish: reflash fresh....mmc too | 23:28 |
| jophish | oh dear | 23:28 |
| jophish | I have hacked about with the mmc a bit | 23:29 |
| jophish | removing MyDocs and expanding home | 23:29 |
| cure` | i'm backing up the whole thing, about to do a full flash | 23:30 |
| cure` | can imagine how you feel | 23:30 |
| jophish | it sucks | 23:30 |
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| * hardaker2 needs to finish his port of the bacula client to the n900 to make backups easier. | 23:31 | |
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| oioioioi | hi! who use bluetooth stereo headset with nokia n900? | 23:35 |
| microlith | I am | 23:35 |
| jophish | oioioioi, I use bluetooth headphones | 23:35 |
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| oioioioi | jophish, microlith , tnx for reply. i have strange problems: in firmware PR1.1.1 when i play music all was good. but after update to 1.2 via air, after playing musing (20-30mins), my player stop play music like somebody press STOP button in player. i donno what is it... and whats wrong with my player in n900 | 23:38 |
| jophish | oioioioi, I'm still installing 1.2 at the moment | 23:38 |
| jophish | If you haven't solved your problem when I'm done I will be happy to help | 23:38 |
| microlith | haven't done the music thing over bt | 23:38 |
| oioioioi | ehh | 23:39 |
| oioioioi | =( | 23:39 |
| oioioioi | its strange.... | 23:39 |
| jcrawford | man this OTA update is taking forever | 23:39 |
| oioioioi | becouse its hard to press play buttonw every 30 mins | 23:39 |
| jcrawford | not even 1/2 done yet and it's been over an hour | 23:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flashing takes 30s :-P | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | btw you're allowed to have a nap during OTA upgrade | 23:43 |
| oioioioi | what? | 23:44 |
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| jcrawford | maybe i should flash it, afterall we do have a flashing station here lol | 23:45 |
| jcrawford | but no one here that can show me how to use it right now so guess OTA is the only way for me :)' | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jcrawford: in Ozz they'd say 'takes just another sixpack' :-P | 23:47 |
| jcrawford | ;) | 23:47 |
| jcrawford | then maybe i will have one of those tonight | 23:47 |
| jcrawford | though it seems stuck on the update | 23:48 |
| jcrawford | been in the same spot for a while now | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | don't bother | 23:48 |
| jcrawford | why ? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | as long as it is hot, everything is ok | 23:48 |
| jcrawford | phone is not hot at all | 23:49 |
| jcrawford | it was stuck in the downloading process | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, then maybe maemo.org is down? | 23:49 |
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| Macer | maemo.org was messed up yesterday | 23:54 |
| Macer | at least for me it was | 23:54 |
| jcrawford | ;( | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | same | 23:54 |
| vanadismobile | for me too | 23:54 |
| vanadismobile | kinda sucked | 23:54 |
| jcrawford | sucks for me now too haha | 23:54 |
| vanadismobile | jcrawford, have you tried to reboot it? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | expect the 'weekend, let's mess with maemo' effect | 23:55 |
| oioioioi | check bug 10399 | 23:55 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10399 Media player randomly stops playing music via BT headset | 23:56 |
| oioioioi | okay? | 23:56 |
| Macer | heh | 23:56 |
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| Dantonic | hey does updating the firmware through the PC suite delete everything? does it flash all 32GBs of memory? | 23:56 |
| Macer | no offense to nokia | 23:56 |
| Macer | but ovi maps sucks compared to google nav | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | ovi maps generally sucks | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | i bought sygic and quite happy with it | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:57 |
| Macer | heh | 23:57 |
| Macer | maybe someone can port google nav | 23:57 |
| swc|666 | http://whydidgarycolemandie.com/ | 23:57 |
| Macer | and i am not a big fan of google | 23:57 |
| Macer | but chrome and nav are great | 23:57 |
| Dantonic | anyone? | 23:58 |
| Dantonic | anyone update with the Nokia Software updater? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Dantonic: flashing the rootfs pretty much keeps all your data | 23:58 |
| TomaszD | zaheerm, ping | 23:58 |
| Macer | Dantonic: i had to make a backup | 23:58 |
| Macer | yes it wipes it all | 23:58 |
| Macer | the backup restores everything afterwards | 23:58 |
| Dantonic | DocScrutinizer51, well the updater says something about wiping everything out not just rootfs | 23:59 |
| Macer | it worked fine | 23:59 |
| jcrawford | vanadismobile, no have not tried that | 23:59 |
| Dantonic | no I mean it wipes out EVERYTHING... all files saved all music files video files or anything else on the device, not just system files? | 23:59 |
| zChris | hallÄ? | 23:59 |
| Macer | no | 23:59 |
| jcrawford | just restarted the download process, moving again but will see if it stops at the same point | 23:59 |
| zChris | opps wrong chat | 23:59 |
| Macer | music etc stayed there on mine | 23:59 |
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