IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-05-28

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Dantonichow do I install PR1.2 from ubuntu?00:01
Dantonicis there an installer application?00:01
sandstormbeen 215 megabytes and NSU is still dling pr1.200:01
andre___Dantonic: but normally you don't need to reflash. no on-the-fly update possible?00:02
Dantonicwon't let me00:02
Dantonicsays I have to do it through the installer00:02
Dantonicare you able to visit the wiki? for some reason I can only visit the "talk" area of maemo.org00:03
Dantonicbeen try to get there all morning the wiki that is00:03
andre___uhm. I recommend a data backup in that case00:03
andre___wiki works here00:03
Dantonicdamn it!00:03
Dantonicthis sucks!00:03
sandstormworks here as well00:03
sandstormtry viewing it over vtunnel.com00:04
tuliobaarsHey people, is it real? it can't, huh? a N900 for 285Bucks!00:04
sandstormI doubt it is00:04
DrGrovhello hello guys and girls00:04
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tuliobaarsyep, but... i wanna try...00:05
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tuliobaarsa n900 for sounds like a dream00:05
DantonicCGI Error00:05
DantonicNo response from
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Dantonicthats from vtunnel00:05
sandstormso it means00:06
andre___tuliobaars: ROFL. with typos in their webpage, like "Detials". that looks veeeery serious ;-)00:06
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sandstormtheres a server thingie going on00:06
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tuliobaarssorry, andree?00:06
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tuliobaarswhat's ROFL?00:06
andre___ROFL = a good laugh.00:06
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DantonicRolling On Floor Laughing.... ROFL00:07
sandstormlike LOL00:07
dotblankodd.. i seem to get a better signal in pr 1.200:07
tuliobaarsoooh, thanks00:07
tuliobaarsok, i got it00:07
asj_ROFL is lauding way harder than LOL00:07
sandstormbetter signal from wifi ?00:07
dotblankI never get 3g at my house and after the update I'm always getting it00:07
sandstormor gsm line ?00:08
andre___tuliobaars: as many typos as they have on their website I have problems to imagine that it's a serious company. plus what does "Brand: Nikon" mean? looks not trust-worthy at all to me00:08
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Dantonicfinally made it to the wiki00:08
sandstormhmm interesting point00:08
tuliobaarswhats typos? Brand: Nikon...why?00:08
dotblankunless tmo upgraded my cell tower right when i flashed my device...I think i can attribute the enhancement to pr 1.200:08
sandstormanyone experienced any significant battery life change comparing pr1.1.1 and pr1.2 ?00:09
asj_sandstorm: yes00:09
sandstormin a good way or bad ?00:09
tuliobaarsohh, now i saw...brand nikon00:09
tuliobaarsbut, what is typos?00:09
asj_sandstorm: good, I saw a large increase.  subjective though00:09
DrGrovyes, battery life is better right?00:09
andre___tuliobaars, typo = wrong spelling of words00:09
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tuliobaarsah, thanks...00:09
sandstormso maybe its the best news I've heard about pr1.200:09
dotblankworks great with my grooveshark app :)00:10
sandstormbecause over than it's a very handful device, longer battery life makes it better with its cellphone function :)00:10
tuliobaarsshould i buy it? i'm dying for a N900...00:10
dotblanktuliobaars, do you like linux?00:10
asj_sandstorm: I was web browsing this morning and it seemed faster too00:10
tuliobaarsa lot00:11
tuliobaarsi have an n810 and trying to install xubunntu!00:11
sandstormasj_: good news keep coming :)00:11
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DantonicError: Wrong architecture 'i386'00:11
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pupniknothing would replace a n900 except a n810 plus cell-model00:11
Dantonicwon't work for 64 bit?00:11
asj_sandstorm: it's way less buggy than the prerelease I had access too. :)00:11
dotblanktuliobaars, do you like ssh access to your phone and spending many hours tinkering with the device and constantly having to re-flash it becuase you contantly mess up?00:11
DantonicI have 9.10 but it's 64 bit00:11
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sandstormasj_: 282 megabytes and going up, can't wait it coming :)00:12
asj_sandstorm: it's a ~170 meg image....00:12
tuliobaarsi never had connect my n810 by ssh,  (i don't know how to, and yes...reflash at least 1 time per month00:12
Dantonicwell whatever00:12
Dantonicnot gonna be able to do this today00:13
sandstormit probably also dling nokia pc suite and updater updates as well :)00:13
asj_sandstorm: oh god, Ovi Suite here you come...00:13
sandstormOvi Suite compatibility ?00:13
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asj_sandstorm: sadly video calling I don't think works well, it's too dark.  To "hide" the front camera I think it's smoked so dark no light gets through...00:14
kirmaany idea if message sound could be disabled for group chats and left on for one-to-one chats?00:14
asj_sandstorm: which isn't pr1.2 fault ;)00:14
sandstormis Ovi Suite compatible with pr1.2 ?00:14
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asj_sandstorm: no clue, it breaks to many things for me so I don't install it00:14
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sandstormah that would be a killer news00:15
sandstormif it was so :D00:15
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pupnikasj, better than transmitting pure noise00:15
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asj_sandstorm: I'm relatively pleased with pr1.2 tbh, I have a few problems, but I also changed devices at the same time so <shrug>00:16
zChrisHey how is the community for maemo? Big? Productive? :)00:16
sandstormhmm I wonder what NSU is dling, its 310 mbs and going up..00:16
zChrisIm wondering if its "worth" getting a N900 or if you should wait00:16
asj_sandstorm: the 1.7gig emmc ;)00:16
asj_zChris: wait for what?00:16
sandstormasj_: what kind of problems? personal ones or general ones ?00:17
zChrisasj_: Either wait for MeeGo or get an Android or Iphone(not likekly)00:17
asj_sandstorm: Nokia Messaging is broken for me00:17
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sandstormasj_: ah is that for SMSing ? never used Nokia Messaging before.00:18
asj_zChris: I wouldn't hold your breath on meego from nokia00:18
asj_sandstorm: no, email00:18
zChrisasj_: Reason being? :)00:18
asj_zChris: you would die waiting?00:18
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zChrisNow we dont want that :)00:18
sandstormasj_: is it because your e-mail provider?00:19
asj_though I think the world record is like 30 minutes so that's not saying much00:19
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tuliobaarsplease, visit my NIT Blog and rate it: http://ttablet.blogspot.com00:19
asj_sandstorm: email provider has imap, but Nokia Messaging gives you push notificiation speeds, low bw00:20
tuliobaarsso, is it good? i know that need more posts, but, whatever...00:20
sandstormasj_: hmm, tried thunderbird if it's available for maemo ?00:20
zChrisNow is maemo community big?00:21
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zChris:) Perhaps its a stupid question00:21
lcukanyone know where the Qtablet source is hiding - the one that seemed to work well on n81000:21
tuliobaarsthe blog?....00:21
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tuliobaarsi think you don't like it....00:21
asj_sandstorm: I can't stand thunderbird on linux... ;)00:22
tuliobaarsOK. Now i'm sure!00:22
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tuliobaarslast time: Anybody enterded on it?00:24
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pupniki checked it out tuliobaars00:24
tuliobaarsohh, thak you!00:24
wazdStskeeps: around? :)00:24
tuliobaarsthe only one!00:24
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sandstormasj_: I see, btw I got 356 mbs and still going up, I really wonder what it is, maybe the image is this big or I miss something.00:25
asj_sandstorm: you're in the states? you have unlim bw no00:25
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sandstormasj_: not in states, but I have unlimited bandwidth00:26
sandstormI had some maps from Ovi, can it be them maybe?00:26
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sandstormit says: Downloading a new version of Nokia Software Updater.. still :|00:27
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TheFaioliNewbie question: If I use apt-get install pkgname, why isn't pkgname being listed as installed in pkg_config --list-all ?00:28
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ShapeshifterI wonder why i just received an SMS from a random number stating: "mobile-login: 1234567" the numbers forming some sort of password.00:30
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KenYoungAre other people seeing extremely sluggish response times from the site?00:31 atleast00:31
TheFaioliShapeshifter: [guessing] a program which has a "continue on mobile" option, into which the user entered your mobile number by mistake.00:32 times out on me.00:32
zChrissame here00:32
sp3000TheFaioli: if it's a -dev package that installs a .pc file somewhere useful it should -- of course the name isn't necessarily an exact match00:32
Hariainmhello! can anybody answering me a question? reflashing the N900 keeps your contacts and messages, but what about the calling log?00:33
TheFaiolisp3000: I use grep... no match...00:33
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lcukTheFaioli, not all packages supply pkg_config config files00:34
CLabeli just tested webgl with pr1.200:34
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TheFaiolilcuk: Can I add it manually?00:36
lcukwell which package is it for?00:36
lcukperhaps you could create them a .pc config file00:36
lcukand file a bug adding that as a patch00:37
lcukand helping explain where its meant to go and how it helps other devs using the lib00:37
guysoft42no meego for N810 right?00:37
TheFaioliI'm trying to build conboy and it checks for several missing libs, which I managed to apt-get from the extras... and then it went on complaining :-)00:37
sandstormNokia Update is at 440 mbs and still downloading something :|00:38
TheFaiolilcuk: !00:38
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lcukTheFaioli, if you were finding missing libs trying to build it00:39
lcukapt-get build-dep [thingyouwanttobuild]00:39
lcukit should bring in everything the developer remembered he needs for you to rebuild his program00:40
lcukif the app has made it to extras-devel, the chances are this should work00:40
lcukbecause its used by the autobuilder ;)00:40
TheFaioliI need to add extras-devel to the sources.lst then00:40
alteregoHas anyone wrote a service which updates your IM status to what you're currently listening to?00:41
GAN900alterego, not as far as I know.00:41
lcukTheFaioli, potentially, it should work same for -testing or proper extras too00:41
DrGrovI am having issues to get Conversations Inbox widget to be properly displayed.00:41
lcuksince promotion usually handles deps00:42
alteregoGAN900: cool, because I'm just hacking one together now ^.^00:42
TheFaioliProper extras were a no-go, it needs a -devel dependency.00:42
DrGrovI tried to activate it, nothing happened so I removed it from Program manager and then installed it again but it doesn't show up at all. I rebooted as well just in case but still nothing visible of the Conversations Inbox widget. Anyone got any clues to why?00:42
lcukok TheFaioli reasonable enough00:42
DrGrovIt is not being displayed in the 'Add widget' box....00:43
sandstormanybody know how many mbs does pr1.2 image take ?00:43
DrGrovAnyone got any clues at all about the Conversations Inbox widget not showing up at all?00:44
TheFaioliHm, can't add extras-devel? Can't access keyring no such file or directory...00:44
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Macerdroid incredible? is that like an iphone gsXtreme 4G ?00:45
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TheFaioliOnly apt-get update doesn't work, but build-dep does. Thanks!00:46
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Maceri need to hook my n900 up to a win pc and update this thing00:47
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TheFaioliSo, apparently no need to file a .pc file bugfix in this case.00:49
TomaszDzaheerm, ping00:50
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DrGrovIt is mighty strange00:52
DrGrovThe Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget is showing now in the 'Add wiget' menu once I removed it....00:52
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Macercuddy is gettig married00:56
wazdcan anybody please point me at PR 1.2 theme template please if it exists? :)00:56
Macerpoor broken hearted house00:56
Maceris 1.2 a major update?00:56
lcukwazd, konttori_work or andrewfblack owuld be best to ask00:56
Maceri mean is it a noticable difference ?00:57
lcukyes, it includes many bugfixes and speedups and optimisations and tweaks for usability00:57
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Macerim pondering the fact that i have to drag a monitor to the one win box i have to upgrade00:57
alteregoIs there a python method for converting encoded names for dbus objects?00:57
alteregolike foo_2dbar ?00:58
alteregoWhere _2d gets replaced with it's proper character?00:58
lcukalterego, specialist, google would know better00:58
Macerblah... let me dig up my netbook00:58
alteregolcuk: yeah, I was simultaneously googling, just wondering as maemo is very dbus centric whether anyone here would have come across it ;)00:59
MarLawNok, 1.2 here, something fannoying, if you're on a skype call (no video) you can't take a picture with the 5M pixel camera (on the back).01:00
alteregolcuk: I can't even be bothered now, just gonna write my own ^.^01:00
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alteregoNothing came up after the first couple of searches.01:01
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sandstormokay, I am starting to become suspicious, Nokia Software Updater started updating itself and it has downloaded 600 mbs so far and keep going, is it normal ?01:05
alteregoHeh, 600 ...01:05
alteregoErm ..01:05
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alteregoI don't think that's normal, but I don't use windows.01:05
sandstormI wonder how I can figure out whats going on01:06
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infoboti guess flashing is
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sandstormI doubt flashing wiki has the proper info about the size01:10
SpeedEvilDid you have lots of apps installed?01:11
djkrikkeWhat do you guys think about this post ?01:12
sandstormhm not really I just have 10-15 at max01:12
sandstormand the device is plugged in right now01:12
sandstormmaybe thats why software updater dling so many files ?01:12
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sandstormthe biggest app I have is kmplayer with mplayer I guess01:13
sandstorm650mbs and going up btw01:13
SpeedEvilSpeaking personally - ir depends djkrikke.01:13
djkrikkeOn what does it depend SpeedEvil ?01:13
SpeedEvilhow long do you intend to keep your n900?01:14
cehtehcan it be that the camera uses extensively much power?01:14
SpeedEvil6 months, or 5 years?01:14
djkrikkeSpeedEvil, wil it make such a big difference on lifetime?01:14
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SpeedEvilcehteh: The camera uses a fair bit of power, yes.01:14
sandstormin 5 years N900 will be a garbage01:14
sandstormfor sure01:14
cehtehi ran mbarcode before and on battery graph i have an almost vertical line downwards01:14
SpeedEvilI have not run mbarcode to test.01:15
SpeedEvilhowever - it will use about backlight + CPUmax + camera01:15
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SpeedEvilWhich is ~600mA01:16
SpeedEvilso a battery life of ~2 hours01:16
zChrissandstorm: dont say that! Now you made me hesitate :P01:17
dmj726...Based on actual experience, I'd suggest a batter life of at least 3 when recording video.01:17
sandstormsorry for that :O01:17
zChrisOn the other hand01:17
SpeedEvildmj726: Recording video is somewhat lighter.01:17
zChrisAtm i have a SEM p1i :)01:17
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SpeedEvildmj726: The CPU isn't used all the time so much01:17
dmj726well, it does need to display and encode the video01:18
SpeedEvilsandstorm: Speaking personally, I'm likely to be keeping it at least 3 years, unless it breaks.01:18
dmj726...but that's hopefully on the dsp01:18
sandstormN900 is a beast atm so dont worry too much01:18
SpeedEvildmj726: The encoding of the video is not done on the CPU01:18
djkrikkeis the wiki really slow, or is it just me?01:18
sandstormSpeedEvil makes sense, sir.01:18
SpeedEvilsandstorm: And replacing it if it breaks is not likely to happen.01:19
sandstormat least 2 is more sensible though01:19
SpeedEvilSo I'm very hesitant about overclocking.01:19
sandstormsame here01:19
jaskaonly thing id consider is undervolting, not sure how much that saves tho01:20
sandstormand I see oc'ing useless for my usage01:20
DrGrovI keep loosing all my programs one after another01:20
DrGrovI lost the 2G/3G/Dual switcher from the status area01:20
DrGrovAnd I lost the WiFi Switcher.01:20
DrGrovWTF is happening?01:20
sandstormdark side might be calling ? :)01:21
djkrikkeDrGrov: you're officially doomed01:21
djkrikkethe first n900 virus!!01:21
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sandstorm700mbs omg...01:22
DrGrovat least after a reinstall of the 2G/3G/Dual switcher and WiFi Switcher and reboot later I got the items back01:22
DrGrovMy heart can't take this stress01:22
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alteregolcuk: It's not pretty, but:
alteregoI'm sure there's a better way of doing it :/01:23
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djkrikkeare there any tools yet too send text message from the computer?01:29
* timeless_mbp sighs01:29 doesn't support the n90001:29
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pigeonwhat about that google buzz client?01:30
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joker_89anyone knows the SYNCML concepts?01:37
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loufoque_I just upgraded by flashing the 1.2 UK image, but now 3G doesn't work anymore, I'm only on 2G01:37
loufoque_I'm with vodafone01:37
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cehtehthat will safe you some battery and a shitload of money :P01:42
pupniki am getting 2 4000mAh batteries01:44
djkrikkeanyone else noticed that from 1.2 on, the browser scroll behavior changed?01:44
pupnikfor ALL DAY computing01:44
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djkrikkepupnik: which ones?01:45
pupnikopenpandora ones :P01:45
reggnaloufoque_: If you have used the 2G/3G/Dual switcher, and left it on 2G when flashing, you will need to install it again to switch back.01:45
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djkrikkelol pupnik, do they work with the n900?01:46
loufoque_reggna: shouldn't flashing reset everything!?01:46
Dantonicdamn it is the website down?01:48
pupnikdjkrikke: nope, but maybe they wikll work with meego01:48
Dantonichas anyone successfully installed PR 1.2 from Ubuntu?01:48
djkrikkeDantonic: it's really slow in here01:48
reggnaDantonic: I have, yes.01:49
DantonicI just want to install 1.2 Sigh01:49
Dantonicwhat installer did you download?01:49
lcukDantonic, Ubuntu released PR1.2 as well?01:49
Dantonicoh do you have 32 bit ubuntu?01:49
loufoque_Dantonic: I did01:49
Dantoniclcuk I just mean using ubuntu to flash the N90001:49
lcuk32b ubuntu + flasher works hppily from my thinkpad01:49
Dantonicok I have 64bit and I cant install it01:50
reggnaDantonic: Yes, 32 bit, using flasher-3.5 and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin01:50
DantonicError: Wrong architecture 'i386'01:50
reggnalcuk: My thinkpad to. :)01:50
Dantonicany way around t?01:50
zChrisAre there any good adventure games for N900 ?01:50
lcukzChris, yeah, maemo01:50
Dantonicany way to install on 64 bit?01:50
zChrislcuk: hmm?01:50
loufoque_how do you put the browser in portrait mode?01:51
lcukpeople go raiding to level up01:51
loufoque_ctrl+shift+O doesn't seem to work01:51
DrGrovWhy does everything have to be such a PITA after the PR 1.2 upgrade? God damn this01:51
lcuk12 man raids to make new widgets01:51
zChrisVery helpfull. And VERY funny too lcuk01:51
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lcukzChris, this channel is the MMORPG lobby ;)01:51
loufoque_ok you need to select "enable rotation" in the settings01:52
BCMMloufoque_: yeah, they made a GUI for portrait mode now01:53
BCMMyou even get a back button01:53
BCMM(talking of which, very glad there is a proper back button now)01:54
djkrikkethey'd better fix the dropped call problem01:54
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loufoque_how do I completely reset the phone? even after flashing it it still has my IM account settings01:55
loufoque_and my contacts01:55
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reggnaloufoque_: Maybe,  ?01:56
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loufoque_ok so I need to flash the eMMC as well01:58
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Macerwow this update is a pain02:03
Macerit has to reinstall all the apps02:03
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Maceris there bt kb support now? :)02:04
Macersomething a little more... usable?02:04
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pupniki could imagine going back to the ThinkOutside Stowaway02:05
Macermy su8w isnt too bad02:05
Maceralthough it is more so meangt for an n9502:05
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zChrisIt will be interesting too see if there will be an "standard" OS in the future02:06
pupnikyes, but third row is shifted too far to the left02:06
pupnikotherwise nice unit02:07
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opdf2man youtube sucks on 1.202:13
budfiveanybody know if there's a setting to adjust the direction of the volume rocker? Since PR1.2 it now works backwards in landscape mode (and correctly in portrait mode)02:13
Macerbt kb stopped working after the update02:15
pupnikfile bugs02:16
Macernow i have to go through the steps of getting it going02:16
Macerpupnik: it would more likely be an enhancement than a bug02:16
Macertoo bad. my n810 worked with my NOKIA su8w02:16
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Maceri will fix it later i suppose02:17
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Macerlet me see what the update gives me02:18
pupniki am just going to never reboot02:18
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Macerhm. no portrait media player02:19
Macer:( was hoping for that02:19
Macerfeels more naturl than the landscape02:19
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Macersince the jack is on the "right"02:20
pupniknot a bad idea02:20
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Macerportrait browsing works better :)02:28
pupnikwow .. why02:29
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Macermaybe not02:33
Macerno menu in portrait mode02:33
Macerah well.. bbl02:34
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Maceris the fm transmitter an actual transmitter??02:37
Macerlike it sends out on an fm freq?02:38
Macerto play music in your car or something?02:38
TermanaMacer, what else is an FM TRANSMITTER suppose to be?02:38
djdmYes, it  does02:38
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Maceri just thought they got the word wrong ;)02:39
djdmExcept your calls02:39
Macerfins :-P02:39
Macerwow thats awesome02:39
Macerthis whole time i could have been using that! haha02:39
djdmNo, I think they can write :)  FM radio is fine too if you plug in some headphones for an antenna02:39
Macerdidnt say they couldnt write02:40
pupnikymmv with interference02:40
Macerthe word could have been confused in translation ;)02:40
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djdmMy apologies :)02:40
Maceri saw "transmitter" and was like... no way02:40
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djdmAs a matter of fact, mine provided music for a party at my house last weekend (streaming from a DLNA server)02:42
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Macerwell.. if they add easy bt kb support and cups and a portrait media player... it is win02:43
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Macerbut i am not seeing a huge difference in 1.202:43
Macerim sure a lot under the hood has changed02:43
pupnikcheck changelog02:43
djdmI normally use the Media Player one-handed with no problems02:44
Macerdjdm: yeah.. but the way you pull it out the pocket leaves a portrait mode desired02:44
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Macerjack is kind of in the way when landscape02:45
Macerpupnik: where is the changelog?02:46
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Macerinternal error application web closed?02:46
Macermaybe a fluke02:47
Macerwhy does it seem like microb is running sluggish?02:47
asjyou're trying to load a web page with 534 flash apps?02:48
pupnikhow did you update Macer02:48
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Macerpupnik: on a windows pc02:48
Macerwith the nokia updater02:48
Macerthen restored from a backup02:48
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Maceris not working for anybody else?02:49
jaskaslowly, ~10s to load a wiki page02:49
djdmReading it at the moment - seems fine02:49
Macerdoesnt seem to be working on my n90002:50
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Macerother pages are acting strange too02:51
Macerbut seems messed up02:52
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Macerhow do you initialize a video call?02:57
Maceri dont see the option anywhere02:57
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tripzeroso this doesn't make sense to me.  In the context of flashing your n900:03:16
tripzero"Turn off your device (make sure you unplug the charger or else the device will not power down completely. You can plug the device back into power once it starts flashing)."03:16
tripzerounplug it, turn it off, start flashing, plug it back in?03:16
Maceri just ran the nokia updater03:16
Macerwith the phone on ;)03:17
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Macerfile manager needs smb support :)03:17
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Macerwith login support03:17
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tripzeroMacer, update manager wouldn't install it for unknown reasons03:19
Macerin windows? wtf?03:21
Maceri was more pissed off that an ota update needed a wire03:21
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Macerthat isnt very over the air now is it?03:21
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tripzerowe;;. ot03:24
tripzeros bpptomg03:24
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tripzeroerr, at least its booting03:24
Macerthen people wonder why i was confused about the fm transmitter :)03:24
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microlithI wonder what is in the application manager logs of people who can't update directly on the device03:28
microliththere's gotta be something03:28
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tripzeroyay, update successful03:31
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* SpeedEvil ponders reporting a bug.03:33
SpeedEvilI'm unsure how sane 'Compile kernel with -j4 in background' is as a step to reproduce.03:33
SpeedEvilCamera can flash and take a picture after the flash if very loaded.03:34
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SpeedEvilOTOH - I _love_ the new night mode03:34
SpeedEvilIt seemingly slows the shutter to ~1/5th s or so.03:34
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GAN900andre900, you still here?03:39
opdf2how do u reset the Internet Radio list?03:40
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opdf2It is stored in .mafw.db03:44
pigeonwith the n900 (ovi) map application, can you download maps for it so it will work offline?03:45
opdf2"/home/user/.mafw.db" Anyone wanna send me their PR 1.2 original?03:45
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rm_youSo, I think the problem with my current N900 is that it doesn't detect the battery correctly and refuses to charge03:47
opdf2oo nm its in a backup03:47
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ShadowJKrm_you, if it's any help, my N810 refused to charge when only + and - pins made contact, the third pin didn't and it refused to charge03:53
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ShadowJKlshal | grep battery03:54
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ShadowJKif is 0 then I'd say third pin03:55
GeneralAntilleswazd, crap, still here?03:55
wazdGeneralAntilles: yep03:55
GeneralAntilleswazd, cool, one sec.03:55
GeneralAntilleswazd, can you add yourself to this page?03:56
GeneralAntilles(Not loading here, of course)03:56
wazdGeneralAntilles: i'm there actually03:57
GeneralAntilleswazd, are you? Good.03:57
wazdGeneralAntilles: as I remember :)03:57
GeneralAntilleswazd, I've got some traction going on the queue, just wanted to make sure you were on there (haven't actually checked).03:57
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sp3000GeneralAntilles: see under normal load that would be a rhetorical question ;)03:57
wazdGeneralAntilles: VDVsx forced me to sign in :)03:58
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wazdwhat's wrong with btw?03:58
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GeneralAntilleswazd, well, I'm gonna draft an email and collect information from everybody to forward on to Quim so he can start shipping them out.03:58
GeneralAntillessp3000, did you see my message from the other day?03:58
wazdGeneralAntilles: awesome03:59
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rm_youwtf how do i make a | in the terminal04:01
toresbeyou press |04:01
rm_you... where us that key, lol04:01
sp3000GeneralAntilles: something about bugs?04:02
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ShadowJKblue fn and sym to bring up symbol menu04:02
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: added.04:02
sp3000yeah that must be it04:03
wazdGeneralAntilles: btw, AndrewFBlack was trying to ask Quim if he can send his device to me. but I guess he has failed :)04:03
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rm_youShadowJK: pressing that key combo does nothing04:04
rm_youactually apparently none of the keys do anything besides letters04:04
rm_youcan't type numbers....04:05
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rm_youarrow keys don't work except the left one04:05
ShadowJKhal-device bme04:05
asjrm_you: do you have ctrl pressed?04:05
ShadowJKthough you'll have fun typing -04:05
rm_youtab got it04:05
rm_you:P04:05 = 104:06
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rm_youcan you pastebin the output of that command on your device?04:07
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rm_youi can't copy/paste mine out because ctrl doesnt work and they removed the menu option for copy04:07
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rm_youand can't out it to a file cause i can't type symbols04:07
rm_youok now NONE of the keys work04:08
ShadowJKctrl-c in terminal doesnt copy anyway...04:09
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rm_youHA, got cirtual keyboard to work04:10
ShadowJKcombinations of ctrl-s and ctrl-q in terminal would freeze it, if ypu were randomly pressing stuff..04:10
SpeedEvilrm_you: slect the pointer04:10
SpeedEvilrm_you: then you can select stuff, and then copy appeard04:10
redeemanany news on restoring the virtual keyboard from pr 1.1.1?04:10
ponyofdeathhi, anyone else having issues with the phone screen orientatioin after pr1.204:10
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ShadowJKAnyway, 1 shows n900 isn't reading the battery capacity right, which is probably why it refuses to charge04:12
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SpeedEvilsee rm_you04:16
GeneralAntillessp3000, yeah, was just thanking you for the fast turnaround.04:17
rm_youmine is...04:17
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sp3000yeah I was monitoring for any interesting fallout from release04:18
* sp3000 &04:18
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rm_youSpeedEvil: mine:
rm_yousince i can't copy/paste or get anything off device, i just edited your post and typed in the changes >_<04:19
rm_youis my device fucked?04:20
SpeedEvil = 9999  (0x270f)  (int)04:20
SpeedEvillooks exciting.04:20
SpeedEvilBut practically - it looks like it's not actually detecting the battery at all.04:20
SpeedEvilI assume you don't have a spare battery?04:20
rm_youi do04:20
rm_youit exhibits the same symptoms04:20
SpeedEvilDoes it do the same thing?04:21
SpeedEvilI would first try flashing.04:21
rm_youso i could switch it and check again04:21
rm_youjust did04:21
SpeedEvilIn case it's a screwed BME04:21
rm_youflashed PR1.2 and eMMC last night04:21
SpeedEvilOk - prolly not that.04:21
rm_youlike four times04:21
SpeedEvilDoes it actually charge?04:21
rm_youit was dead before then.04:21
SpeedEvilAnd was it doing this before?04:21
rm_youno it does not.04:21
rm_youi was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off04:21
SpeedEvilI would return it for warranty service.04:21
rm_youand wouldnt turn back on04:21
rm_you.... I got it from Quim04:21
rm_youSecond of the devices I got from him to fail04:22
rm_youfirst one was a USB port catastrophe ALA Texrat04:22
rm_youand so many others...04:22
rm_younow this :/04:22
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SpeedEvilrm_you: I would next try - this is ShadowJK's script for monitoring battery state - it's really a tar.gz04:23
SpeedEvilit has two files - copy to /root - and run it04:24
rm_youok rebooted and some of keyboard works04:24
rm_youtried to type wget and got "wge", the "t" key doesnt appear to work04:25
SpeedEvilThe script looks like
SpeedEvilok -04:25
SpeedEvilIn that case, it sounds like you've got major hardware screwage going on.04:25
SpeedEvilAnd it's more than just a battery or software issue.04:25
SpeedEvilI would wonder about mechanical damage, or liquid ingress.04:25
opdf2hmm u need to remove sim before update?04:26
rm_youzero liquid damage04:26
rm_youmechanical maybe? but dunno HOW04:26
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rm_youi didn't ever drop it04:26
SpeedEvilopdf2: I diddn't - some have reported issues.04:26
SpeedEvilrm_you: Might it have been dropped before though.04:26
SpeedEvilAlso - random stuff just happens.04:27
rm_youwhen i got it from Quim it was NIB04:27
opdf2SpeedEvil:   are the issues not being able to install it? Or problems in 1.2?04:27
rm_youat least, it had all the plastic shielding bits on that i had to peel off04:27
SpeedEvilopdf2: Some have reported wiping of SIMs and microSDs.04:27
SpeedEvilopdf2: however - it's worked for most peopel.04:27
rm_youi guess i'll just tell Quim this one is broken too04:27
rm_youand I'll just send them both back to him04:27
SpeedEvilopdf2: The vast majority of people.04:28
SpeedEvilrm_you: :/04:28
rm_youat least it broke in a completely different way04:28
rm_youso hopefully he doesn't think I'm destroying them on purpose <_<04:28
* rm_you sighs04:28
rm_youback to G104:29
SpeedEvilI would try resoldering the USB - but I have a soldering iron, and I'm not afraid to use it.04:29
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spectre-pr1.2 is awesome04:30
rm_youi could ship you my old n900 (the one with the USB that broke off) :P04:30
rm_youthe hardware in THAT one still works great04:31
rm_youbesides the USB thing04:31
ShadowJKrm_you, is supposed to be closer to 1320 than 0 ;)04:32
rm_youlol yes i would imagine04:32
ShadowJK1000-1300 is reasonable with stock battery04:32
SpeedEvilrm_you: That would be good - but I don't know how that'd work.04:32
rm_youso apparently besides it not correctly reading the battery, the keyboard is also failing04:32
SpeedEvilrm_you: I can't off-hand think of any simple commonality between parts of the keyboard, and the battery charging. The keyboard is just connected to a bunch of IO pins.04:33
ShadowJKhm, gaia has the battery detection stuff. doesn't it also handle keyboard matrix or am I misremembering?04:34
rm_youcould it have gotten a surge or something while charging?04:34
rm_youor, do DC converters catch those and just explode04:34
ShadowJKwell it's different components that do charge04:35
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Gaia has some ADCs that hook to the battery I think.04:35
SpeedEvilShadowJK: As does the cellmo. But I'm not really sure what bme is reading.04:36
ShadowJKGaia does battery detection, bq24500 does battery charging, bq27200 does battery "fuel gauge" measurements, and then stuff is connected to Cellmodem side too..04:36
SpeedEvilIt seemed to be reading gaia ADCs.04:36
ShadowJKyeah04:37 times out for me :/04:38
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Rolexde :D04:39
SpeedEvilAh - I forgot about spammers.04:40
SpeedEvilHow delightful.04:40
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swc|666./ -p80 -T Insane --shellcode=all --include="nginx-0day"04:43
swc|666oops, ww04:43
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Macerhow is koffice coming along for maemo?04:46
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* microlith wonders what's with Fedora's insistence on LVM volumes04:51
Macerif only palm really had a 3D holographic projecting phone04:53
Macermicrolith: it is linux' funny way of pretending they have zfs :)04:53
spectre-like in freenas?04:54
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Macermaybe linux distros should just use zfs04:55
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b-mantoday was terrible - had 3 power serges during a sever thunderstorm todya because of lightening :(05:03
SpeedEvilMy n900 got hit by lightening. It went gray.05:04
rm_younow is it sentient, evil, bent on taking over the world, and ruggedly handsom?05:05
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spectre-why does the fm transmitter only do odd frequencies?05:05
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b-manthere were at least 4 or 5 lightening strikes from within 400 meters from my house lol05:08
b-manit got bad xD05:08
rm_youbecause radios only tune to odd frequencies?05:08
b-maneven my dad's car got f*cked up05:08
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spectre-depends on where you are in the world :)05:10
rm_youwhat country are you in? :P05:10
arachnist041108 [fnode] !--        host | ~b-man17@pool-70-106-220-48.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net05:11
spectre-one of the most well known radio stations here is 88.805:11
arachnistmy guess is, usa05:11
rm_younah, he can't be USA05:11
rm_youwell, craziness05:11
GeneralAntillesb-man, I take it you don't get thunderstorms frequently there? :P05:12
spectre-but i've been to plenty of places that do even numbers as well05:12
spectre-also, lower frequencies are common in lots of places too05:12
rm_youin US it's due to FCC regulations <_<05:12
spectre-like sub 88 range05:12
spectre-i wonder if the world edition firmware does other frequencies05:13
rm_youalso, we have single radio stations that would cover your entire country05:13
rm_youand they are single city based05:13
spectre-well, i'm from the us :p05:13
rm_youthat could be why :P05:13
spectre-just living over here05:13
rm_youlol k then you know what i'm talking about :P05:13
spectre-so, i'm aware :p05:14
rm_youit's probably an issue with channels bleeding together in the major cities05:14
spectre-nah, i think it's the fcc thing05:14
spectre-and this is usa firmware05:14
rm_yousince the transmitters are so powerdul05:14
spectre-anyone here using world edition firmware?05:14
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spectre-yeah thats the tough thing here05:15
spectre-no regulation05:15
spectre-so your transmitting fm fine here05:15
spectre-drive down the road and b£05:15
rm_youPirate radio!05:15
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spectre-haha yeah05:15
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rm_youI always wanted to start a pirate radio station in the US05:16
rm_youit's tricksy tho05:16
rm_youbut not too expensive05:16
spectre-i like the new 'hold' the button feature in 1.205:16
rm_yousetup costs are like $200005:16
spectre-makes typing ip's hella easier05:16
rm_youcan get all the equipment you need from Radio Free Berkely :P05:16
spectre-well, you can get some powerful transmitters for around 20005:16
spectre-that'd do your neighborhood05:17
rm_youwould love to have a device with a working keyboard to try that on :P05:17
spectre-maybe a bit more $ but not much05:17
spectre-kits though05:17
rm_youI want a good distance in the city05:17
rm_younot just three blocks05:17
spectre-i was going to build one into my car at one point05:17
spectre-so i could harass other drivers in traffic05:17
spectre-by overriding the signal they were on05:18
spectre-with something obscene05:18
rm_youif they were being annoying? :P05:18
rm_youlike pumping rap music at obscene volume?05:18
spectre-haha yeah exactly05:18
rm_youreplace it with Haddaway :P05:18
spectre-switch em to backstreet boys real quick05:18
rm_youor rickroll them05:18
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spectre-anyway, gotta crash05:19
spectre-4am here in rwanda (visiting)05:19
SpeedEvilI'd love to be able to tweak the buttons.05:19
rm_youkk night05:19
spectre-later :D05:19
SpeedEvilI want to drop the 'symbol' delay to 200ms or so05:19
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jaemHas anyone tried out the remote debugging feature of the beta SDK with the N900 yet?05:39
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LiraNunaoh em gee portrait moed05:48
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jaemLiraNuna, is that a video of portrait mode /other/ than the many that sprung up a few months ago when someone's phone glitched?05:51
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jaemLiraNuna, hmm... I will check it out, then05:51
LiraNunait's a joke though, it's from Nokia R&D05:51
LiraNunamaybe it shows Nokia's interest in portrait mode05:51
jaemdarn you, Flash... :/05:52
jaemno sound... it happens.05:52
LiraNunasound is just music05:52
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jaemAh, and it locked up FF. :S05:53
jaemwow... the first ~40s pegged the cheesometer... I think I'll skip it.05:55
jaemAlso, that's an interesting Maemo UI :P05:55
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jaemIt reminds me of watching Caprica (the BSG spin-off), in which all the mob guys use the same model of cheap dumbphone as I'm currently stuck with - except the UI is much shinier, and probably wouldn't even run on that hardware.05:56
jaemWhat would we do without CG, eh?05:56
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microlithman, I hope MeeGo isn't as outright terrible as Fedora05:58
jaemmicrolith, I doubt it, since it isn't Fedora05:58
jaemDidn't Moblin have a big announcement some while before the MeeGo press release saying that they were not using Fedora as an upstream anymore?05:59
microlithdon't recall05:59
microlithbut that's a good thing05:59
microlithI keep forgetting that redhat is what drove me away from linux06:00
jaemmicrolith, I'm pretty sure that I saw something to that effect.06:00
jaemI don't have any opinion on the matter, besides Fedora not being my preference.06:00
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jaemI've never used it long enough to get a feel for it.06:00
microlithI suppose I'm spoiled by ubuntu06:01
jaemPersonally, I'll be happy to have a phone (and other things?) that runs Linux; which distro is secondary except from a design point of view.06:01
jaemmicrolith, I'm spoiled by Arch, which is why Ubuntu takes getting used to now that I'm using it again. ;)06:01
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jaemBesides, if MeeGo takes off like Nokia&&Intel are hoping, then I doubt it will be long until alternative distributions/UXs are available.06:02
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trip0bummer that skype video calls don't work against the linux client :(06:11
jaemtrip0, oh, they don't?06:11
jaemAre you using the latest Beta?06:11
jaemI really wish Skype would hurry up with whatever pseudo-/partial-open-sourcing they said they were going to ages ago.06:12
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jaemIf they gave the community decent quality libraries, even closed source, I'm sure it would take very little time for there to be a whole bunch of much better apps than their own.06:12
jaem...and integration, for that matter.06:12
jaemThat in itself would be great.06:13
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trip0jaem, it's not obvious how to get it to work if it does work.06:14
trip0and from what I read, only the windows version works with video calls against the n90006:14
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trip0i doubt even fake-open sourcing would help in this matter06:15
trip0iirc, they were planning on making the frontend open with a closed backend06:15
trip0if the backend never gets updated, any open source frontend is SOL06:15
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luke-jrwhy bother? Skype is a crap virus06:26
* jaem waves at luke-jr06:27
jaemright on cue!06:27
jaemI dislike it as well, for what it's worth.06:27
luke-jrit's not like there aren't plenty of open standards for video conferencing06:27
jaemHowever, with a really lousy cell plan, and no land-line, it's currently the only way I can satisfy my telephony needs at a cost I can afford.06:28
jaemluke-jr, yes, I know.06:28
jaemFind me a service that offers 10,000 outgoing minutes per month for $3, and I'll gladly switch06:28
jaemI really would like to, but I can't afford per-minute billing, and that's all I've seen with others.06:28
jaem...I am actually serious - if you come across something like that, I'd like to know ;)06:29
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jaem</rant> :S06:30
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TermanaThis is going to sound silly - but anyone have some bricks (actual bricks) laying around?07:19
Termanaand a camera07:19
pigeonnot me, what about google image?07:20
TermanaI want a photo of the n900 of top of a brick, nothing turned up on google images07:21
pigeonah, right.07:21
pigeongimp them together :)07:21
Termanammm maybe, not great with image editing, but if no one has a brick and a camera, it will have to do :P07:22
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DocScrutinizerTermana: I could get the brick if you send me a camera and N900 :-P07:29
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pigeondoes anyone know if you could download maps for ovi map so it will work offline?07:30
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pigeonundrwater: oh, thanks.07:35
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lucentI would like to test skype with video calling on my N900, is anyone else interested to do the same?07:47
trip0lucent, i am07:49
lucentmy Skype username is 'joecastle' if you would like to try07:49
prontoo= you have video calling?07:49
lucentpronto: PR1.2 should add video calling07:49
lucentI flashed to PR1.2 last night and did not yet try it07:50
prontoah, it's to much of a bitch to upgrade that07:50
ColdFyrewhen is PR 1.3 coming?07:50
lucentforewarning, I had problems doing OTA update of PR1.207:50
Stskeepswazd: wasn't07:50
lucentit is suggested to flash and not upgrade OTA07:50
redeemanbut really, i wish i hadnt upgraded to 1.2, the keyboard is just not working07:50
lucentredeeman: keyboard looks and works fine to me07:51
trip0i'm in the middle of installing crap from my backup07:51
redeemanits impossible to type on07:51
lucentwhat is your problem with the keyboard, redeeman07:51
ColdFyremy virtual keyboard is also borked07:51
redeemannot to mention some characters are missing07:51
ColdFyremisisng some keys07:51
redeemanlucent: the onscreen keyboard07:51
trip0yeah, not sure i like the new keyboard yet07:51
trip0it's going to take getting used to07:51
trip0i was getting pretty fast at the old one07:51
ColdFyreit's missing backspace07:51
redeemanthe old one was extremely good07:51
redeemanColdFyre: no backspace is there07:51
redeemanjust in a weird position07:51
ColdFyrenot visible07:51
redeemanit is here07:51
ColdFyreat least for me07:51
trip0i love how video out works so much better now07:51
redeemaneverything is working here07:52
lucenton-screen? oh.  I didn't realize that you are talking about on screen keyboard, that is a feature I don't normally use07:52
trip0on-screen used to rock07:52
redeemanonly the new onscreen keyboard is worse than i ever imagined it possible to be07:52
lucentI thought you are referring to the "on screen" keyboard for extra keys, when I type Fn-Sym07:52
lucenthow would I test this keyboard you're talking about?07:52
redeemanthe guy that is responsible for the onscreen keyboard must be insane07:53
redeemani really hope that guy doesn't have a drivers license07:53
lucentredeeman: are you done yet?07:53
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redeemannot yet, i have one additional comment07:54
lucentI want to see what this feature is you've been upset about for days now07:54
redeemanthey could atleast have had a huge warning in the update manager that the feature would be effectively rendered inoperable :)07:54
ColdFyrei agree, the keyboard is terrible07:54
ColdFyrethe old one was great07:54
asjactually it's more operable imho than it used to be07:54
asjtext completion is now useable07:54
redeemantext completion takes more time than it saves07:55
* lucent taps the microphone07:55
lucenthello? how do I use the feature you are saying is crap?07:55
redeemanlucent: don't open the n900's physical keyboard07:55
redeemanand then type something07:55
redeemanso that the onscreen keyboard appears07:55
ColdFyreis it me or are things in the application manager sorted at random?07:55
asjlucent: tap in a text field with the kb closed07:55
lucenta text field? Okay, not "Notes" ?07:56
asjyou might need to enable the virutal kb07:56
asjnotes works07:56
ColdFyreand you can't search in there anymore?07:56
lucentasj: "Notes" crashes when I do this07:56
redeemanwell then something is broken for you07:56
asjlucent: that wouldn't be a feature ;)07:56
asjColdFyre: just type07:56
* lucent plays with N900 a bit more07:57
ColdFyreasj, it only searches for the package name though07:57
ColdFyrenot description07:57
undrwaterhow's it work as a phone?07:57
asjColdFyre: ah didn't try that07:57
asjundrwater: it has a phone?07:57
undrwateri'm screwed...looks like android for me :P07:58
asjapp mgr still takes way way to long to load the package selection screen07:58
lucentasj: thanks!  I see what feature you are talking about now07:58
lucentit looks fine to mee07:58
asjlucent: it's different, it's bad07:59
lucentcould use a different keymap layout but that's easy07:59
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asjlucent: the n900 virtual kb has always been horrible, I don't get why people care07:59
redeemanlol the n900 virtual keyboard was extremely good before 1.207:59
undrwaterillume OSK rocks ;)08:00
lucentvirtual keyboard was terrible when I first used it08:00
asjredeeman: not one in their right mind would call it extremely good08:00
lucentwhich is today?08:00
redeemanperhaps you just didn't know how to use it?08:00
asjredeeman: lol, what features of the kb do you think I wouldn't know how to use?08:00
lucentwhy bother having a virtual keyboard though... what language are you trying to type in08:00
redeemani don't know, but based on your argument that its horrible, i must assume theres something that escapes you08:01
redeemanlucent: its faster than the physical08:01
redeemanor well.. WAS faster08:01
asjColdFyre: btw it does search descriptions08:01
ColdFyreodd, mine is not08:01
ColdFyrenor does mine render backspace08:01
lucento_O  I'm pretty darned fast with the hw keyboard mate08:01
redeemanyeah well i was pretty "darned" fast with the onscreen08:02
asjColdFyre: I tried "misc" and searched "conf" which gave me fbreader-page-buttons08:02
lucentusing thumbs or a stylus?08:02
lucentmust have skinny thumbs lawl08:02
redeemannot really08:02
redeemani just have excellent precision in my motor control08:02
DocScrutinizer51redeeman: I don't see how you could be faster on vkbd than on hwkbd08:02
redeemanDocScrutinizer51: well.. find me a way to restore the old one, and i'll be happy to arrange a demonstation08:03
* lucent declares May 27th 2010 "redeeman is correct and everyone else is being trolled" day08:03
asjDocScrutinizer51: he has excelent precision...comes from years of...never mind ;)08:03
redeemanlucent: im not the only one that thinks the new one is shit08:03
* DocScrutinizer51 coses slider to give vkbd a try08:04
DocScrutinizer51closes even08:04
redeemanhell i cant even find a questionmark in the new one08:04
undrwaterDocScrutinizer51: did you like illume?08:04
redeemanbut i guess that's not a required character these days...08:04
* lucent looks at questionmark on virtual keyboard08:04
lucentredeeman: you be trollin'08:05
redeemanlucent: and where, do tell, might i find it?08:05
DocScrutinizer51what a bullshit.., this kbd is next to unusable08:05
lucentwhich keymap do you have loaded redeeman08:05
asjredeeman: you can't fine the ?08:05
asjright above bs?08:05
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ColdFyrei ahve the english keymap08:05
ColdFyrenor do i see ?08:05
redeemanbelieve me, there is no questionmark here08:05
DocScrutinizer51and that's been the *old* vkbd ;-)08:05
asjthe right hand keys from top to bottom here are ' ? bs enter08:06
DocScrutinizer51undrwater: not really08:06
redeemaninto what state are you in the keyboard?08:06
ColdFyrei will take a pic of my phnoe..there is no question mark08:06
asj2nd row over is p ! ., shift changes it08:06
ColdFyrei have the upside down one..08:06
asj? shares it's key with \ when shifted08:07
redeemannot here it doesn't08:07
asjredeeman: do you see \?08:07
redeemanon the page with numbers08:07
redeemani have on the third line08:07
asjno on the alpha page08:07
redeeman, . @ / \ ~^( )08:07
redeemanim there now on alpha page08:07
redeemani do not see any question mark there08:08
asjdo you see \?08:08
redeemanz c v b n n m ? . backspace08:08
DocScrutinizer51would you guys mind to first agree on a particular version of a particular national variant of the vkbd mapping?08:08
asjredeeman: what's above the backspace?08:08
asjDocScrutinizer51: that's no fun08:08
redeemanbut was that the correct position for the questionmark?08:08
asjwtf is ø08:08
redeemanits a danish character08:08
asjI wonder what character set I have08:09
lucentenglish/nederlands layout: <<qwertyuiop'>> <<asdfghjkl!?>> <<SHIFTzxcvbnm,.BACKSPACE>>08:09
redeemananyway, theres far bigger problems with the new keyboard08:09
redeemanfor example08:09
asjah utf-8 now, let's try again: ø08:09
redeemanyou have to potentially press 2 buttons to get into the pages for characters08:09
redeemanwhereas before you just had 3 tabs08:09
redeemantook only 3 press08:09
redeemannot to mention the buttons being smaller now08:09
asjredeeman: by happy it takes 5 key presses to get @ on the N808:09
redeemanmaking it virtually useless for fast typing with thumbs08:09
redeemanand it took max 2 before08:10
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asjthe english keyboard layout seems very sensible actually, very smart use  of / to be shifted ?08:12
Triztin the scandinavian keyboard I miss that | ain't there, you need to go to symbols08:13
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ColdFyrewe need a rick astley theme08:14
TermanaColdFyre, No ones ever gonna give that up, ever gonna let it down.08:15
DocScrutinizer51hanna montana theme? :-o08:16
Funnyfaceis down?08:17
Funnyfaceor horribly slow..08:17
DocScrutinizer51aaah thanks - lsot the link08:17
DocScrutinizer51Funnyface: weekend08:18
TermanaFunnyface, a lot of people seem to be complaining of that... but mines perfectly fine :P08:18
DocScrutinizer51it's kinda 'scheduled' outage08:18
Funnyfaceah well I can't get it to load here, itself seems to be fine, but then it gets stuck loading stuff from static.maemo.org08:18
DocScrutinizer51also seems our maintainers are fiddling with the css etc08:19
DocScrutinizer51it seems08:20
tybollt7nick sadface08:20
DocScrutinizer51wiki looked really weird 10h ago08:20
ColdFyreit is the gnomes08:21
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parimis there a decent sip call recorder for maemo 4?08:24
DocAvalanchecould anybody look at e.g whether it actually looks quite messed up for them as well?08:25
asjDocAvalanche: it's slow here, maybe a style sheet failed to load...I'm still waiting for it to load08:26
DocAvalanchemessed up here means for example broken image for link in upper left corner08:26
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DocScrutinizeryep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css08:27
DocScrutinizerabsolutely no theme at all here08:28
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asjstill hasn't finished loading here, nothing rendered at all08:28
DocScrutinizerhere it renders like plain text on a white background08:28
DocScrutinizerwith menu moved from right to left08:29
Stskeeps <- heh, it's upgrade wars galore..08:30
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lucento_O the only messed up thing to me is that this is even possible (the content of the article)08:34
lucentre: USB Host mode N90008:34
TTilusis just uninstalling apps enough to clear space for pr12 ota update?  ( is unreachable to me, so im asking here)08:37
ruskieahh recaller works... just for some reason notifications are being put belowe the phone app...08:37
TTilusand how do i know how much space im missing?08:37
lucentTTilus: my experience is that the PR1.2 update will result in a reboot cycle endlessly08:37
lucentTTilus: suggested action is to flash manually08:37
lucenti.e. backup your settings first, flash, restore settings08:38
TTilusah, thanks08:38
lucentTTilus: is the link08:38
FunnyfaceTTilus: that's what I did, I uninstalled openarena, tuxrace, some battle for <insert whatever it was here> data files, and after that it let me install OTA08:38
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* lucent notes "probably battle for wesnoth, only THE most popular original opensource licensed game in history"08:39
ruskielucent, ???08:40
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Funnyfacelucent: I am putting it that way because I never got it working :p08:40
tybolltlucent: I still won't play a game full of snot - NEVAR08:41
* lucent ^_^08:41
DocScrutinizerlucent: what's wrong with USB host mode?? o.O08:41
tybolltDocScrutinizer: it dun work lest you know how to work the magic and have TEH SPECIALZ CABLERS... :-/08:42
DocScrutinizeror was it the content of the wiki site itself that make you wonder how it's possible to publish such thing?08:42
* tybollt can sooooo haz host mode...08:42
tybolltewhr there's a wiki now?08:43
Funnyfacehave you got mediabox working btw? I don't see how I am supposed to make it find my files :p08:43
lucentDocScrutinizer: last I'd researched into the topic, USB host mode on N900 was a no-go08:43
lucentis it somehow a given that it works now?08:44
tybolltlucent: they made it work08:44
* DocScrutinizer scratches head and makes note to set tybollt on ignore list until after breakfast08:44
tybolltlucent: but involves sacrificing young virgins and goats...08:44
DocScrutinizerlucent: yes08:44
lucentnifty.   academic exercise, or something reliable?08:45
DocScrutinizerwork in progress, aimed to get a reliable every day solution08:45
lucentthat's really nifty ^_^08:46
tybolltDocScrutinizer: seriously though - it does require the special cable - right?08:46
DocScrutinizertybollt: no, the cable is pretty much standard (A-F to A-F adapter will suffice)08:46
* tybollt confused now - guess I'm just that outdated...08:47
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DocScrutinizertybollt: that's quite obvious :-)08:47
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n1c0Hi  !08:49
tybolltI remember there was talk of a special cable (which was about when I lost my urgent interest seeing as how I've done more than my fair share of cable soldering/crimping at a previous job and wish not to pick that shore up) but perhaps I have just taken too much drugs and dreamed that...08:50
n1c0i founded OcarinaOfTime OST, it is very fun as ringtone ^^08:50
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n1c0maybe it would be fun to use tablet as an ocarina like an iphone app :)08:51
lucentn1c0: I've seen a few music apps creep into the package catalogs08:52
infobotmethinks otg is
lucentnone using the microphone yet08:52
DocScrutinizertybollt: look at and prev ~35 pages, to get up to date. On the remaining pages from 1..~60 you'll find virtually all kind of rant and its contrary stated as the one and only truth, so probably also find your cable faulty info08:53
Funnyfacewhen my FM transmitter is enabled, with nothing playing, it keeps playing tiny beeps every 2-3 secs, is that the channel name being transmitted?08:53
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lucentn1c0: one set-back for the N900 as a breath controller is that it is not a multi-touch08:53
Funnyfaceor is it some keepalive to not make a radio seek for another channel? :p08:53
lucentFunnyface: interesting, I don't know if I've heard those same beeps or not08:53
lucentFunnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha..08:54
asjFunnyface: no, that's reminder that the fm transmitter is on and sucking power08:54
asjsymbian does it08:54
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: it's one thing for sure: STRANGE08:54
n1c0lucent: hmm ok thanks for your enlight08:54
Funnyfacenah it doesn't play the same beeps in the regular speakers :P08:55
asjFunnyface: why would it play it on the regular speakers?08:55
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Funnyface"<lucent>Funnyface: sure you don't have a voicemail message waiting? ha.. ha.." for that08:55
DocScrutinizerasj: at a TX power of some NANO-Watts I don't think eating battery power to generate the beeps makes much sense08:55
luke-jrlucent: so implement multi-touch08:56
lucentluke-jr: the panel supports it?08:56
asjDocScrutinizer: isn't it 100mW?08:56
luke-jrlucent: not sure resistive multi-touch requires panel support08:56
DocScrutinizerasj: at least not wrt saving energy08:56
DocScrutinizerasj: no, it's nano08:56
FunnyfaceI use fm-boost08:56
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: even then08:57
asjplus it's handy to locate it08:57
lucentluke-jr: there was a multi-touch hack which predicted where a 2nd touch would be given a first touch and that the next point would be a midpoint of the next touch08:57
lucentjust a hack though08:57
luke-jrall hardware is a hack08:57
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lucentin so far as I can tell, the N900 is strictly not multi-touch08:58
Funnyfaceprobably not super great, because a hard press will pull the "mid point" further towards that point :P08:58
luke-jroh well08:58
luke-jrmulti-touch is overrated and N900 sucks in general08:58
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DocScrutinizerlucent: and quite a nonsense that has proven not to work08:58
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Stskeepsdid you try one?08:58
luke-jrStskeeps: don't need to, the screen is obviously too small08:59
Stskeepsfair enough08:59
luke-jrI did witness multitouch though08:59
luke-jrI'd hate it08:59
tybolltlucent: that statement is non sensical. RESISTIVE screens are not multi-touch, period. It really has nothing to do w/ just the N90008:59
FunnyfaceI am not going to be an apple fanboi with all their excuses of "I don't need that" but so far I haven't ever thought "damn, multitouch would be great for this" ever on my device :p09:00
tybolltNow - the n900 zooms just fine09:00
luke-jrStskeeps: also, there's no N900-compatible service here, I found09:00
tybolltstop the pinch zoom trolling :)09:00
lucenttybollt: nonsense, there are multi-touch resistive screens09:00
tybolltthere are - really?09:00
luke-jrtybollt: at least two-touch09:00
Surfamultitouch would have some benefits, but i don't really need it anyway09:00
DocScrutinizertybollt: BZZZ you're out. Sorry that's BS. R-TS *can* do mt09:00
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tybolltFair enough - I stand corrected :)09:01
tybolltShow me one - please09:01
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Funnyfacepiano apps need multitouch.. that's it09:01
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Wolfieluke-jr: i actually thought to write a two-touch emulator for n900, but when i realized that pinching wouldn't work, i quickly gave up the idea09:01
luke-jrtybollt: afaik it's all math in the driver09:01
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Wolfiewould've been somewhat accurate only for two touches, but moving those fingers around would've been impossible to predict09:01
Wolfieand the touches can't be simultaneous, either09:02
luke-jrWolfie: pinch != movement tracking09:02
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: nope, you also need a special A/D hw to read out additional parameters of the TS planes09:02
luke-jrhumans can't be simultaneous when compared with tech09:02
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DocScrutinizeri.e over all resistance09:02
Wolfieluke-jr: arent' resistive screens still pretty analogous and comparatively slow?09:02
luke-jrno clle09:02
Wolfiei mean, you need to press two films together to short a circuit, or something similar09:02
luke-jrbut a pinch would simply be pressure changes around the same approximate point09:02
luke-jrI think09:03
Stskeeps.. slow?09:03
DocScrutinizerWolfie: that's how they work, yes09:03
luke-jrWolfie: that doesn't strike me as particularly slow09:03
WolfieStskeeps: slow as in not reacting in microseconds09:03
StskeepsWolfie: that might just be userland.09:03
lucentthe truly innovative app I've seen for multitouch _is_ a breath controller for music synth09:03
DocScrutinizerWolfie: that depends on the A/D09:03
DocScrutinizeryou can go up to some megasamples/s with usual hw09:04
WolfieStskeeps: yeah, i'm not talking about what happens in the chips09:04
WolfieDocScrutinizer: yeah09:04
DocScrutinizerif that's too slow fore you... :-P09:04
luke-jromg 1 am already09:04
Wolfiewell, anyways. it wouldn't be too practical, and that woud've just been one application. I'm not a drivers guy :)09:04
Funnyfaceanyway, the N900 has a full keyboard to replace whatever a multitouch would be useful :P09:04
luke-jrFunnyface: no.09:04
luke-jrN900's keyboard is epic fail short of "full"09:05
luke-jrfull keyboard MUST have at LEAST a tab key09:05
Stskeepsdoes n810?09:05
FunnyfaceI'd prefer a 4 row keyboard indeed09:05
tybolltluke-jr: agreed09:05
Surfaluke-jr, and esc and alt and and and..09:05
Funnyfacebut that's not my point :P09:05
luke-jrStskeeps: C760 did09:05
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lucentluke-jr: agreed, no tab key has made me confused many times09:05
Surfaand then suddendly the device is too big and everone complains about it09:05
lucentthat's the only key I really miss though09:06
luke-jrSurfa: too big? N810 was too small09:06
luke-jrC760 was perfect :(09:06
Surfaluke-jr, look, you are not everyone, most people think n900 is too big09:06
Funnyfacedon't forget the "windows key" :P09:06
luke-jrSurfa: anyone besides the idiots who think N900 is a phone?09:06
luke-jrFunnyface: you mean the tux key09:06
Surfaluke-jr, nice attitude, do you like anything?09:06
luke-jrSurfa: I just said, I liked the C76009:07
lucentyeah crankypants, some rest will do you good09:07
DocScrutinizerSurfa: who says there's a physical law forbidding to expose more than 1/2 the hight of the devices lower half to have a kbd there?09:07
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Wolfiewell, i'd have to agree that as far as the phone usage of n900 goes, it's not in the top of the list09:07
lucentI rather like my N900's phone capabilities09:07
Funnyfacewell, the N900 does what I need it to do as a phone09:08
SurfaDocScrutinizer, not physical law, but the device needs certain firmness and it's not easy thing to do if touching parts are decreasing09:08
tybolltso it exist - but there doesn't seem to be a lot of actual devices with it09:08
Wolfiethat doesn't make it any less of a tech gadget, but its best features aren't the phone stuff09:08
DocScrutinizertybollt: congrats, you found it without any help ;-)09:08
FunnyfaceI make phone calls and send some SMS messages, and the N900 does that09:08
Funnyfaceand in addition to that it's a great portable computer :P09:08
SurfaDocScrutinizer, not to mention that other space under the screen is used too, it's not empty09:08
luke-jrSurfa: C760 had a keyboard larger than the screen09:08
DocScrutinizerSurfa: sorry, you lost me on the 2nd statement09:08
lucentFunnyface: AdBlock Plus, and um... hover in the web browser09:09
SurfaDocScrutinizer, devices today are so filled with components that if you want to put anything extra in there, you need more physical space -> device becomes bigger09:09
luke-jr look at that wonderful design09:09
Funnyfacelucent: ? :P was that for me? :P09:09
lucentjust talking up the great features09:09
SurfaDocScrutinizer, it's not just 1/2 keyboard becoming 3/4 keyboards e.g.09:10
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luke-jr6 rows :)09:10
lucentbtw I owned several models of zaurs computers, they were somewhat elegant, and 100% unusuable09:10
lucentunusable*  sorry my spelling is suffering over a slow net link09:10
luke-jrlucent: nonsense, I used my C760 every day for at least a year or two09:10
lucentwell sure! you are dedicated09:10
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DocScrutinizerSurfa: don't argue with me on that one. You'll lose the game. Look there
luke-jrfar more usable than Nokia's products, minus age differences09:11
lucentI tried using a C3k and a C3k1, it was like a Rolex... looks really pretty but doesn't keep very good time09:11
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luke-jrlucent: ... did you run ntpd?09:11
lucentaround the same timeframe my co-worker had a N800 and it did everything the C3k did not do well09:11
SurfaDocScrutinizer, right, whatever09:12
luke-jrN800 didn't even have a keyboard09:12
DocScrutinizerSurfa: I assure you there *is* enough space left09:12
WolfieFunnyface: yes, it does what it needs to do as a phone (well, mms is debateable). But the fact that sms and phone is just another app, makes the point that it's not the main point of the device09:12
Wolfieso, it's a device with a phone. Not a phone per-se. Imho.09:12
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SurfaDocScrutinizer, if you say so09:13
Funnyfacewhat are the problems getting MMS to work on the N900 anyway? isn't MMS just a separate data connection, which doesn't have an internet gateway on it, but just some MMS server instead?09:13
WolfieFunnyface: there's always fMMS...09:13
StskeepsFunnyface: there might be a seperate data connection, and linux doesn't in 2.6.28 handle IP namespaces09:14
DocScrutinizerSurfa: the main problem is to design a rugged slider mechanism that slides out more than 50%09:14
luke-jrFunnyface: I'm by far no expert, but IIRC the only real problem is the cell company doesn't send MMS provisioning to N900s09:14
lucentI'm guessing, MMS integration hurdles are related to making it work within a programming framework09:14
Stskeepsno, kernel level09:14
luke-jrStskeeps: why would it need a namespace?09:14
tybolltDocScrutinizer: that'd becomne too fragile - surely?09:14
SurfaDocScrutinizer, that was my first line, you can slide more than 50% no problem, but device should stay in one peace still09:14
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DocScrutinizerhmm, look at N97 mini09:14
Stskeepsluke-jr: because it would need to keep two data connections alive and mms would only want to go out on the MMS IP namespace09:15
luke-jrSurfa: why not make a keyboard you can slide off entirely? ;)09:15
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Funnyfaceanyway it is no major issue to me.. my provider sends me a "you have received an MMS, go to this URL to watch it" message by SMS if I receive something09:15
Surfaluke-jr, try to guess :P09:15
DocScrutinizeror a clamshell. yea09:15
Funnyfaceand I can't remember sending an MMS in my life09:15
luke-jrStskeeps: and ip route can't handle that why?09:15
luke-jrSurfa: no clue09:15
lucentFunnyface: as mentioned earlier, you could try the 'fMMS' packages if you want something new to experiment with09:15
luke-jrSurfa: sounds like a good idea to me09:16
Stskeepsluke-jr: because it'll disrupt al other communications?09:16
SurfaFunnyface, not all operators do that if you have once owned a device with mms capabilities09:16
luke-jrStskeeps: why?09:16
Funnyfacelucent: yeah :P09:16
FunnyfaceSurfa: hehe09:16
SurfaFunnyface, and it's a little annoying09:16
* lucent hears a noise "ooh, did I catch a mouse?"09:16
Stskeepsluke-jr: i'm not going to be bothering to argue with you but if you have two internet connections, one MMS, one internet, and you want to communicate with one or more IP on the MMS namespace at same time as communicating with a IP on the internet, this isn't exactly trivial09:17
SurfaFunnyface, and some operators do that after 2 days when the mms didn't get retrieved09:17
* Stskeeps goes do work09:17
SurfaFunnyface, so basically every mms comes with 2 day delay09:17
luke-jrStskeeps: sure it is; man ip09:17
lucent\o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more09:17
Stskeepsluke-jr: i know it's possible to set up a bunch of static routes09:17
FunnyfaceStskeeps: you could probably set the internet connection as the main connection, and just override that in your MMS application09:18
Stskeepsbut you have to admit that is ugy09:18
Surfaluke-jr, you also think that n900 is too small whereas majority of users think n900 is huge an buy another phone :)09:18
luke-jrStskeeps: not as ugly as a new network namespace09:18
luke-jrSurfa: it's not supposed to be a phone09:18
Funnyfacejust like if you have 2 internet connections on your computer, it will always only use the one by default, unless you specifically bind an app to use the other09:18
luke-jrit's supposed to be a pocket computer09:18
Stskeepsluke-jr: kernel people went for network namespace as the solution, so there's a good reason for it09:18
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timeless_mbpSurfa: someday nokia would like to be able to sell phones09:18
tybolltStskeeps: There's a problem w/ that. Joe User will not understand.09:19
luke-jrStskeeps: * namespace is just OpenVZ mainlining; the good reason is virtualization]09:19
Surfaluke-jr, it is supposed to be a phone with other capabilities too09:19
timeless_mbpnot sure why.. but09:19
timeless_mbpSurfa: nah, luke-jr is mostly right09:19
tybolltStskeeps: Certainly when symbian had it.09:19
timeless_mbpthe n900 isn't really supposed to be a phone first09:19
luke-jrSurfa: N900's predecessors didn't even have phone capabilities09:19
Surfaluke-jr, that's not the point09:19
luke-jrSurfa: it is09:19
timeless_mbpthe nokia roadmap for the team had the n900 as step 409:19
timeless_mbpof 509:19
Surfaluke-jr, no it isn't :)09:19
tybolltStskeeps: A new product w/ a feature less than the old product - who cares what reason - is still a new product w/ a feture lacking.09:19
Stskeepstybollt: n900 didn't have a older product :P09:20
Stskeepsexcept for n81009:20
luke-jrStskeeps: N81009:20
Funnyfacetybollt: reading that somehow made me think of the iPad.. lol09:20
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tybolltgood grief don't get me started on that shitshow09:20
Surfatimeless_mbp, well, talking about _phones_ you could check some sales figures :)09:20
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Surfapoint me one company that sells more09:21
luke-jrIIRC when N900 was announced it was supposed to be data-only09:21
luke-jrNokia only added a phone app down the road09:21
Funnyfaceanyway, whether the N900 is a computer or a phone, or both, doesn't change what it can do, and what size it is :P09:21
Surfaluke-jr, ööh? show me that announcement09:21
Funnyfaceto me it's a smartphone09:21
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Surfan900 is equipped with phone capabilities, i really don't09:22
Surfaget how it is different from smartphones09:22
luke-jrSurfa: I don't know how to locate old articles :)09:22
luke-jrmaybe timeless_mbp can comment09:22
Funnyfacethe GUI layout basically09:22
WolfieFunnyface, Surfa: my (mild) objections are mainly from a UX perspective09:23
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Wolfiewhen I activate the screen, nothing invites me to make a phone call, or write a text message09:23
FunnyfaceWolfie: that's what I mean about "GUI layout" :P09:24
Wolfiethere's just some icons and widgets. One of them might be to the phone app, but that's incidental09:24
luke-jrI don't want a physical phone. they're obsolete :p09:24
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luke-jrmy pocket computer should display caller ID info perhaps09:24
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luke-jrbut basically it should just route audio to my bluetooth headset in the background09:25
lucentI wish that the "flashlight" torch mode for camera LEDs could be activated more easily09:25
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lucentit used to be possible with flashlight app09:25
Surfaluke-jr, that's so opposite of nokia announcements that unless you can't provide any reference, i just don't buy it.. but I'm happy to change my mind if you can show me an official announcement of n900 without cellular capabilities09:26
threshlucent: you can still use flashlight app09:26
DocScrutinizerlucent: you're catching mice with your N900? o.O09:26
Wolfieluke-jr: i can't remember that. It wasn't really prominent, but the phone capabilities were listed from the very beginning, iirc09:26
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Wolfiei, for one, thought it was just another nokia tablet.09:27
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Wolfieuntil i researched09:27
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vanadismobileme too09:27
lucentDocScrutinizer: I wish! I should have not mentioned it, I'm just excited when my apartment mousetrap kills a poor little creepy mouse09:27
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trip0it is09:27
DocScrutinizer<lucent> \o/ for every mouse trapped, I love my touchscreen that much more09:27
lucentthresh: flashlight app seems to have gotten less useful, I must close the camera application before I can use it09:27
SurfaWolfie, well, in the ux perspective most modern smartphones give exactly the same feeling for me :)09:27
trip0feeling of being defiled?09:28
DocScrutinizerthought you use the ts to trigger the killing09:28
tybolltDocScrutinizer: "firin ma laser"?09:28
lucentDocScrutinizer: oh, man, that would be unusual.   I was trying to hard to be clever09:28
threshlucent: i think i had the same in PR1.109:28
lucentthresh: I'm PR1.2 now, and "Unable to initialize flashlight. Camera is in use by another application"09:29
DocScrutinizercamera-gui is a PITA09:30
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WolfieSurfa: indeed they do09:30
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Termanatybollt, killer-laser is coming in PR1.309:30
WolfieSurfa: the latest nokia communicator (e90) did invite me to make phonecalls09:30
DocScrutinizerhonestly I don't get it why that shit has to run all the time, exclusively managing the slider and stuff09:30
vanadismobilemaybe another application _is_ using the camera?09:30
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Wolfieand write sms:s09:31
threshlucent: i mean i had to close cameraapp. and it works here if camera app is on a standby09:31
Wolfiecontact shortcuts in the numeric pad, "write sms" menu button, etc...09:31
lucentthresh: oh okay same here, I'm finding that flashlight-app is only useful if I can activate it quickly09:31
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lucentalso it used to be great if I can turn some light on to shoot video at night09:32
SurfaWolfie, ok, that doesn't count me as a modern.. it's ages old :)09:32
lucentnow I cannot do this09:32
julianhHi, does anyone now when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region?09:32
SurfaWolfie, i can't even remember when it was launced.. :O09:32
DocScrutinizerdamn, what is so hard in implementing a sheme like "watch cam slider switch; on 'open' start the app mentioned in line 'camera=foooApp' in mce.ini"09:33
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infobotjulianh meant: Hi, does anyone know when PR1.2 will be ready for the Taiwan region?09:33
lucentjulianh: is Taiwan "Global region" ?09:33
Funnyfacelucent: hmm yes, I was going to use my N900 to record some video in a burned out house, just to realise the flashlight couldn't be used while recording video.. lol09:33
timeless_mbpjulianh: define ready?09:33
julianhI've ssu/207 in sources.list09:33
DocScrutinizerthat way we could have a nice little app starting the flashlight and popup a menu to select either still or video cam operation09:33
julianhbut so far no update available09:33
lucentFunnyface: it used to be workable, in older firmware and app09:34
WolfieSurfa: it's still a smartphone09:34
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: there's an app (called *focus* somewhat) to start the flashlight during video record09:34
julianhas I understand ssu/203 is for UK, guess that ssu/207 is for taiwan09:35
SurfaWolfie, yes, but i was talking about _modern_ smartphones, also stated that on my comment09:35
SurfaWolfie, but i'm pretty sure that we both agree and share opinion here so probably no need to continue09:35
Trewasha, I tried to play a .ogm video file from a mediaserver and was pretty sure it would not work... but n900 opened it in the media player (the music version) and shows the video as the album art, no way to get it fullscreen though09:35
WolfieSurfa: i strongly disagree!09:35
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: keys 'q' and 'w' iirc09:35
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julianhit has been more than 2 days after the announce... so I want to get it :)09:36
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: manual focus is 'a' and 's'09:36
Surfatrend is however away from the phones in all smartphones :|09:36
FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: nice, I will check it out09:36
Surfaother functions are coming more important09:36
WolfieSurfa: yeah. And it's not like I have strong feelings about that. I intended to buy a internet tablet with calling capabilities, and I got what I expected. no complaints here09:36
SurfaWolfie, me too, not actually buy, but get..09:36
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: works like a charm, but it kills the flashlight sysmenu button ;-P09:37
SurfaWolfie, and i'm pretty happy with n900, i can make calls relatively conveniently when needed too09:37
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FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: well, I guess that's fine. I am going to do a full reflash soon anyway09:37
SurfaI don't talk too much so it suits my needs as a phone too09:37
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FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: do you remember which catalog it was in by any chance?09:39
DocScrutinizersorry no09:40
DocScrutinizerprobably *-devel09:40
tybollttimeless_mbp: ?09:40
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* timeless_mbp found a nokia service which enables devs to actually respond to feedback09:40
* timeless_mbp is dazed09:40
tybolltand confused... :P09:40
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* ruskie is happy09:40
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* timeless_mbp was so certain this could never happen09:40
timeless_mbpsomething is wrong in … hrm, helsinki?09:41
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tybollttimeless_mbp: how many managers and other people have to review the response though?09:41
timeless_mbptybollt: given that i sent the bug report last night and got a reply at 8:32am this morning09:41
timeless_mbpthe turnaround was <<<1 business day09:41
timeless_mbp> Thank you for your suggestions.09:42
timeless_mbp> We will consider them in the very next version.09:42
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timeless_mbpto be fair to my psyche, they only promised to consider them, not to fix them09:42
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ruskietimeless_mbp, that I think is still a lot ;)09:42
timeless_mbpruskie: yeah um… i'm going to be dazed for a while09:42
tybolltit concerns me that nokia employees can't talk face to face but have to add a layer of bug-submission in between09:43
Surfatimeless_mbp, really, where is that?09:43
Stskeepstybollt: you've obviously not been drinking with these people09:43
Stskeepsno bug submission involved09:43
timeless_mbpSurfa: sorry, it's nokia  confidential or something09:43
* ruskie contemplates merging all the various helper scripts he has on his N900 into one superscript09:43
timeless_mbpStskeeps: this is through an internal system actually, it's roughly equivalent to nokia's betalabs09:43
tybolltStskeeps: Why does all jokes w/ finns always include drinking|sauna? :)09:43
timeless_mbpit's basically our pre-betalabs09:43
DocScrutinizerruskie's killer ;-P09:44
ruskieDocScrutinizer, ?09:44
ruskieit's a dead easy thing to do ;)09:44
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ruskiehell... already have half the stuff done09:44
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DocScrutinizerstill of questionable value to have a repartitioning script integrated with a battery monitor, just to take random examples09:45
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ruskieDocScrutinizer, naahh didn't meant those ;)09:46
ruskieall the cron scripts09:46
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DocScrutinizerhmm I see09:46
DocScrutinizerreminds me on tols like ip09:46
DocScrutinizeror the strange ms crap09:47
DocScrutinizerip --sue-my-carrier09:47
ruskieif I merge them then it would be: script function(where function would be one of: emailupdate,setprofile,resetgprs,wifitoggle,notify)09:48
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DocScrutinizeruh, forgot sudo :-P09:48
DocScrutinizerscript --sudo_make-me-a-sandwich09:49
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izzoxhello anone in here?09:50
DocScrutinizerruskie: you could have several hardlinks to the same script, and decide on 'function' based on $0 ;-D09:51
DocScrutinizerizzox: obviously not09:51
trip0i'm not here09:51
trip0or am i?09:51
trip0look behind you09:51
ruskieDocScrutinizer, yeah though not a big fan of that ;)09:51
izzoxjust need someone to help me with the applets09:52
trip0ask away09:52
izzoxi'm tryingwhy??09:52
izzoxwhy away??09:52
DocScrutinizerizzox: come to the point09:53
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Appiahjust ask09:53
DocScrutinizererr, get to..09:53
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izzoxi'm trying to make an applet which will help monitoring rtcomm from the desktop09:53
Appiahdont ask to ask or if anyone is here09:53
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izzoxwith stuff such as sending msg from the sesktop09:54
izzoxlook i'm trying to find help09:54
izzoxif you can't leave me alone09:54
Appiahso you need help developing a widget09:55
izzoxdon't tell me what i got to do  over here09:55
izzoxyeah that's rigth09:55
DocScrutinizer~tell izzox about question09:55
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Appiahand what's the problem izzox ?09:56
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izzoxI got to know where to start09:56
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izzoxi'm not developping for maemo509:56
izzoxi can't develop for maemo509:57
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ruskiethen why are you asking in #maemo?09:57
izzoxi don't have it09:57
Appiahget the SDK?09:57
izzoxcoz i have the os200809:57
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izzoxif you want you will port it later09:57
Appiahyou got the OS2008 SDK?09:58
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izzoxthe n81009:58
Appiahwell thats a start09:58
Appiahget the OS2008/Maemo4 SDK09:59
izzoxand what next??09:59
Appiahstart developing09:59
izzoxok ok10:00
Appiah ( site is really slow for me)10:00
izzoxyeah I think that the server is down10:00
Appiahon the wiki there should be Maemo4 info just like there's info about Maemo510:00
izzoxonlly talk section works10:00
izzoxyeah I saw but10:00
izzoxnoting about the applets10:00
izzoxI mean10:01
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izzoxi did not really see10:01
DocScrutinizer51usual weekend outage for ointment of the 770s farm10:01
Appiah(is there applets on maemo4?) I never seen 4 so..10:01
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izzoxhow about svg clock10:02
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DocScrutinizer51well, depends n definition of applet10:02
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Appiahapplet =! widget ?10:02
izzoxreshearch bat10:02
izzoxrecherche barre10:02
izzoxi don't know10:02
DocScrutinizer51you can have those little icons in systray10:03
DocScrutinizer51and larger ones on desktop10:03
izzoxit's not necessary10:03
izzoxall that maters for me10:04
izzoxis to get a kind of transparent small window10:04
izzoxon the desktop10:04
DocScrutinizer51i got both on my N81010:04
izzoxlike the clock10:04
izzoxwhich will have10:04
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DocScrutinizer51check how gpe-calendar is doing it10:04
izzoxa litle chan where to put characteres like the search bar10:05
izzoxyeah that's a great idea10:05
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izzoxlet melook for that10:05
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rm_youWell, looks like Quim is sending me ANOTHER device. <_<10:22
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Stskeepswhat are you doing with the broken ones?10:23
tybolltrm_you: busted your first?10:23
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rm_youtybollt: second10:24
rm_youStskeeps: sitting on my desk right now...10:24
rm_youQuim keeps claiming he'll have his secretary handle getting them back10:24
rm_youbut i keep saying "i havent heard anything, where do i mail these?!" :P10:24
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Stskeepsyou'll end up with a pile of n900s10:25
rm_youwoooo pile of paperweights10:25
Appiahwhat's wrong with your n900?10:25
Stskeepsi could use a broken n900 probably as i can do cold flashing10:25
tybolltthey bricked or just a silly scratch ona screen?10:25
rm_youi've got high expectations of the next one :P10:25
rm_youfirst one the USB port fell out10:25
rm_yousecond one doesn't recognize any battery10:25
rm_youalso the keyboard is freaking out10:26
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Stskeepsmaybe you're radioactive?10:26
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tybolltseems the usb port popping out happens to a fair few people10:26
rm_youthe first one works great still if i charge the battery in something else10:26
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rm_youyeah, happened to texrat, i read his post, then THE SAME DAY it happened to me10:26
DocScrutinizerrm_you: mail them to me! :-)10:27
tybolltepic karma10:27
Gadgetoid_iPadNo USB port fail for me yet- fingers crossed10:27
rm_youyeah i was about to take the first one apart and solder on another usb port10:27
tybolltprobably naive on my part but couldn't a bit of neat soldering do the job?10:27
Corsachmhm I though only summit devices were usb-port failing10:27
rm_youbut i decided to just ask Quim for a new one T_T10:27
ruskiemy usb port is still as solid as the day I bought it(*knock on wood*)10:27
DocScrutinizerrm_you: please the one with battery and kbd problems, as I don't care about that10:28
rm_youas opposed to going all Dr. Frankenstein on an n900 that i don't own :P10:28
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Stskeepsrm_you: maybe he'll come and pick them up in person when he moves to US ;)10:28
rm_youDocScrutinizer: what do you want it for? >_>10:28
Gadgetoid_iPadI wouldn't call it solid, but it's not loose10:28
DocScrutinizerrm_you: hostmode tortures10:28
rm_youanyway, he did claim that this time she really WILL get them back10:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, GAN900 and javispedro said they poked qgil about a new one for me, so maybe....10:29 down?10:29
DocScrutinizerjust looks strange for me10:30
DocScrutinizerdown for others10:30
rm_youDocScrutinizer: did yours break too?10:30
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DocScrutinizerrm_you: yep, nokia broke my power switch while repairing main ribbon connector ;-P10:30
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: wtf..10:31
DocScrutinizerbut anyway, for hostmode I'd need to 'break' it myself, testing hacked kernels etc. I don't want to lose my daily phone though10:31
tybolltDocScrutinizer: I guess you complained about that?10:32
DocScrutinizerso a developer device came in handy10:32
jacekowskithe way how phone behaves in n900 is annoying10:32
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DocScrutinizertybollt: sure I did10:32
tybolltjacekowski: do you take bug reports?10:32
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: so where are you with usb on n900?10:32
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DocScrutinizertybollt: they need to send it in again. As "nokia broke it, nokia repairs it" even while the care center could probably do the fix in 20 minutes10:33
jacekowskitybollt: no, i'll do it myself when i'll get fed up enough10:33
tybolltDocScrutinizer: one thing if it was a dev unit but if it was a phone I had bought myself I would have gone all crazy at nokia :)10:33
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: could you tell by schematics which are the serial ports btw10:33
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: aaah so that means you'll be w/out a unit for ERANGE of time... that suck :-|10:34
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: probably I can10:34
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: cos i can't read them10:34
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tybolltjacekowski: Yeah this bug is not very hard to detect (the settings window being all mangled :)10:34
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: and there's some order to do so, and get a fixture, already in the tube10:34
DocScrutinizertybollt: exactly10:35
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jacekowskitybollt: i have different bug10:35
tybolltDocScrutinizer: I was like to time my sending the unit in w/ my two week vacation abroad ;)10:35
jacekowskitybollt: that i can't take call if i'm doing anything more cpu intensive10:35
jacekowskitybollt: because phone goes all slow10:35
DocScrutinizertybollt: see, I can live with a semi-borked power switch that needs 90s of sensible twiddling to operate. I can't live without a N900 for another 3 weeks10:36
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jacekowskitybollt: and it takes like 20s to pick up a call10:36
tybolltDocScrutinizer: I entirely see your point...10:36
tybolltjacekowski: ouch :S10:36
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jacekowskithat's why i'm starting to consider using normal phone without anything for phone purposes10:37
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tybolltjacekowski: first use you get "set as default" popup10:37
tybolltI x:ed it10:37
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tybolltjacekowski: how do I get it back?10:37
rm_youwhile browsing, picking up a phonecall can take like 10-15s10:37
rm_yousometimes i almost miss them10:37
rm_youusually i manage tho10:38
jacekowskitybollt: just use different sim card10:38
jacekowskitybollt: and it will reappear10:38
fluxI wonder if that 20s delay could be not because of lacking CPU, but rather paging in taking a lot of time?10:38
ruskiehm don't have any such issues generally10:38
jacekowskiflux: if phone is left doing nothing it takes less time10:38
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tybolltjacekowski: awww, there is an option in the options windows for it - but it is greyed out - why?10:38
jacekowskitybollt: i don't know10:38
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: any news about qgil and the devel devs? (sounds like a kids movie, doesn't it? :-P) For jrbme I for sure *10:39
DocScrutinizerneed* another device10:39
DocScrutinizeras that project includes letting the device sit and (dis)-charge for hours and days10:39
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DocScrutinizerthat's definitely something I'm not able to do with just one N900 available :-D10:41
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rm_youwell, bbl, flying to San Fransisco in like 6 hours, gonna grab some sleep10:42
* DocScrutinizer goes registering "qgil and the devel devs" for 'registerd trademark'10:42
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rm_youi just can't believe he keeps sending them to me, it's well after the loan period10:43
rm_youI do really want to keep working on porting that media player tho10:43
DocScrutinizerflux: swapping is known to block the whole phone, even the stay-resident realtime scheduled processes10:44
rm_youam actually employed now so much less time10:44
ruskierm_you, what media player?10:44
Stskeepsisn't it ported already?10:44
rm_youto n80010:44
Wolfieit's notoriously bad for pet project attention when you get employed :(10:45
Stskeepsso why are you getting n900?10:45
IkarusDocScrutinizer: it's the same affliction that happens with normal Linux desktops10:45
rm_youi have an n80010:45
rm_youbut it'10:45
fluxdocscrutinizer, man, that sucks10:45
Ikarusswap trashing10:45
rm_youit's kinda broken-ish too10:45
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fluxdocscrutinizer, is it a driver issue or linux kernel issue?10:45
rm_youit shuts off a lot now randomly10:45
DocScrutinizerIkarus: exactly10:45
rm_youlike if i look at it funny, it turns off10:45
DocScrutinizervery genuine linux issue10:45
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fluxseems quite strange. I'd imagine the effect should be the same on PCs then as well. (is it?)10:46
DocScrutinizer51probably the kswapd is running with too high priority10:46
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DocScrutinizer51flux: it is10:46
fluxhow cpu-expensive is accessing the swap's backend device?10:47
DocScrutinizer51or was, some 3 years ago10:47
DocScrutinizer51not checked since10:47
DocScrutinizer51(too much ram since then :-P)10:47
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Trewasapparently n900 is using swappiness at 100 instead of the linux default 60, so the nokia folks really want it to use swap for some reason10:48
jacekowskiTrewas: to swap stuff out before ram is needed10:48
jacekowskiTrewas: because swapping is expensive10:48
Trewasjacekowski: yes, swapping is expensive, so they want to do that a lot? :)10:49
jacekowskiwhen there are free resources to do so10:49
DocScrutinizer51they want it be done early10:49
jacekowskinot when you need more ram ( which is ussualy when you need more cpu )10:49
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Trewasmaybe that explains why it is so horribly slow when using transmission, it swaps everything out to make room for caching the transfered file10:50
DocScrutinizer51rather questionable strategy though10:50
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jacekowskitorrent on phone has to be slow by design10:50
jacekowskiit's cpu/io intensive10:50
jacekowski1.2GHz celeron barely handles 10M/s10:50
Trewasslow was not a good word, "completely dead" would descripe the user experience better10:51
jacekowskiTrewas: that's expected10:51
jacekowskiTrewas: flash is slow10:51
marmouteTrewas: set proper configuration to limit amount of cache used by yoru bittorent client for checksum10:51
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Corsacnot exactly certain of bittorent client on n900 though10:52
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TrewasCorsac: I am not actually regularly using torrents on n900, but I had to get the fringe season final and didn't have a real computer with me .)10:53
jacekowskimarmoute: emmc is slow10:53
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tybolltthat show is ... UGH10:54
jacekowskimarmoute: so that + torrent client == dead phone10:54
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tybolltjacekowski: anyway shouldn't it be possible to just delete some .chromium folder someplace to get the question back?10:55
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marmoutejacekowski: how much slow ?10:56
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jacekowskitybollt: you're talking about chromium11:00
tybolltof course I am o_O11:00
jacekowskitybollt: oh, then just delete .chromium11:00
tybolltI always was11:00
tybolltok thanks :)11:00
jacekowskimarmoute: very slow11:00
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tybolltjacekowski: ah olrite so it does not work to have it set itself as the standard browser :)11:04
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DocScrutinizer51iirc in January I had a incident where I kept a youtube browser screen in background for half a day. On inbound call the whole machine bacame completely unresponsive after I tried to close the browser in taskswitcher which came up after 3min. took ~2h to recover11:06
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jacekowskiyeah, that's annoying11:07
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DocScrutinizer51seen similar thing happen on 128MB and even 512MB P-II 300 maachines11:07
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: this _did not_ drain your battery? Impressive...11:07
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: that's OOM ussualy11:08
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DocScrutinizer51tybollt: for sure it did. but it's been prety charged prior to that11:08
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skyscraperis it possible to play-back the microphone input (via fm transmitter?!)11:10
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ZogG_N900skyscraper do you want to record radio?11:11
ZogG_N900i think recall widget ca record from different sources11:12
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: that's what usually kills my device. I read online newspapers in the underground, then when I get home I sometimes just fold the keyboard in and pocket the device w/out closing microb, which is then sitting there reloading that newspaper every few minutes and draining away at the batt11:12
tybolltand then after an hour or three the device is dead although I left office/home w/ it fully charged11:12
skyscraperi want to input external audio source from audio port - that playback on fm transmitter11:12
ZogG_N900tybollt it's dangerous11:12
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ZogG_N900if n900 would read a lot of newspapers it would get samarter and can kill people11:13
DocScrutinizer51tybollt: now add to that the known memleaking friggin flash and you are where catatony starts11:13
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: ugh flash :(11:14
DocScrutinizer51skyscraper: I made fm-tx playback fmrx, so probably playback of mic is similarly possible11:15
tybolltspeaking of - do you guys see the Goog initiative to rid us of flash (WebM) actually ridding us of flash anytime soon?=11:15
DocScrutinizer51tybollt: youtube!11:15
tybolltyoutubez olready comes in webM dun it?11:15
tybolltif you opt for the HTML5 version11:15
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ZogG_N900i think so11:16
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skyscraperdocscrutinizer51 how did you do that?11:16
javeI'm totaly new to the n900. can someone recomend a list of interesting free software repositories?11:17
izzoxTry Extra11:17
pupniktopic has some11:17
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tybolltjave: mozilla repo and then get firefox 1.211:18
* DocScrutinizer51 is waiting for somebody coming up 9847th time with the idea to sigstop all processes in background, which for obvious reasons is a bad idea11:18
skyscraperhow did you made fmrx 2 fmtx??11:18
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: Hey - praps if we SIGSTOP all the procs ina background - it'll be just fine?11:18
javealso, id like to ssh to the n900 through usb11:18
* tybollt will soon get kicked - see you ;)11:19
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tybolltPlease it was a joke...11:19
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DocScrutinizerskyscraper: sorry, for unknown reason N900 decide to go offline :-S11:20
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skyscraperi'm online via n900 umts too :D11:21
DocScrutinizerskyscraper: I simply started FMRX then switched on fmtx, ignoring all warnings and "won't work with(out) cables plugged in" notifications11:21
DocScrutinizer(n900) yeah but this is WLAN here, same router this laptop is linked to11:22
DocScrutinizerprobably neighbour's microwave oven11:22
skyscraperhm. but i dont have a program which can playback mic. only recorder11:22
DocScrutinizeryep, that's your main problem11:22
DocScrutinizertry 'arecord|aplay' or sth like that11:23
skyscrapermaybe its possible to open mic device via gstreamer?!11:23
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DocScrutinizeror that11:23
skyscraperbut dont know where mic is11:23
DocScrutinizerarecord -lL should help11:24
DocScrutinizeralso alsamixer11:24
DocScrutinizeror amixer?11:24
skyscrapern900 has pulseaudio. dont know anything about that11:24
Termanatybollt, but the n900 has no WebM support currently so :P "rid you of" is subjective. Though n900 probably can't use most flash sites either now with no 10.111:24
skyscraperalsa? thougt pulse?!11:24
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DocScrutinizerskyscraper: at least the mixer settings are handled by alsamixer afaik11:25
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DocScrutinizeryou need a -c0 parameter iirc11:25
DocScrutinizerand there are similar cmdline tools to arecord and aplay for PA (don't ask me names)11:26
skyscrapercard 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 []n  Subdevices: 1/1n  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0ncard 0: RX51 [RX51], device 1: Bluetooth Bluetooth codec-I2S-1 []n  Subdevices: 1/1n  Subdevice #0: subdevice #011:26
skyscraperthink its the aic?11:26
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DocScrutinizerI seem to remember this very usecase (mic -> FMTX) being discussed and put to work several times, here in IRC11:28
skyscraperarecord cant pla11:29
DocScrutinizersearchstring walkietalkie11:29
DocScrutinizerarecord is for record ;-D11:29
DocScrutinizerthough actually arecord and aplay is the same executable, just with different names hardlinked11:30
Psiso, im about to update to 1.2, how much freespace do i need in root?11:30
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DocScrutinizerrumor has it you need 45MB11:31
DocScrutinizermaybe 4811:31
skyscraperi needed ca 45 mb11:31
Psii have 4111:31
DocScrutinizerplease see /topic11:31
skyscraperbut ota wont work if openarena installed11:31
Psii looked at the topic, but both those urls dont work for me11:31
DocScrutinizerhmm, 770 farm down for ointment11:32
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: 'farm'?11:32
DocScrutinizerserver farm11:32
tybolltyou have a 770 server farm? :D11:32
tybolltthat's nice :)11:32
DocScrutinizertybollt: nah, don't you know nokia built site with the remaining 770 ?11:33
javehey, ssh to n900 was super simple!11:33
tybolltDocScrutinizer: :P11:33
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tybolltjave: ? is ssh usualy very hard to use?11:33
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DocScrutinizertybollt: and every weekend they are stopped and get a drop of good mineral oil, so they don't start to screech11:34
javenah was dead easy11:34
javeI'm impressed11:34
tybolltDocScrutinizer: >:)11:35
* DocScrutinizer suspects jave is a happy new N900 owner11:35
tybolltDocScrutinizer: are there such - really?11:35
Appiahhappy owners? :)11:35
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javeI had a freerunner, I'm easily imressed :)11:35
* DocScrutinizer hides :-P11:35
hrwjave: thats explain a lot11:36
javeI have 2 in fact11:36
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hrwI have 2 neo197311:36
DocScrutinizerneed another dozen? XP11:36
hrwbut never tried to use them as normal phone11:36
fralsjust me or is planet maemo refusing to load the css?11:37
javemy wife wouldnt let me use it as a phone, so I had to get someting else11:37
Stskeepswonder why..11:37
DocScrutinizerfrals: ack11:37
tybolltword is Freerunners are being shipped to africa for laying brick roads...11:37
Psii dont think the battery lasts long enough for that11:37
DocScrutinizerfrals: borked since at least 18h11:37
threshi'd like having a freerunner11:37
threshtought luck they never imported those to .ru11:38
DocScrutinizerthough for wiki here11:38
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javeI stripped down one to use as a wrist computer11:38
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javegot a bit hot though11:38
ZogG_N900who is from n900 currently11:38
ZogG_N900can anyone try to type symbol11:38
DocScrutinizer[2010-05-28 07:27:24] <DocScrutinizer> yep, looks exactly like missing/messed up css11:38
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ZogG_N900the one for bot command11:38
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ZogG_N900from ukrbd11:39
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ZogG_N900i can't type it cause i'm from n90011:39
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ZogG_N900this one11:40
fralsjust fn+sym to bring they virtual kb up11:40
fralsand press it and then space11:40
Psi~ is called tilde11:40
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ZogG_N900trying in xchat it disappear11:40
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Psiyou can change the key bindinds if you feel like editing a file11:40
infobotI wonder...11:40
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ZogG_N900but try from ukbrd11:41
ZogG_N900not the fn+ctrl11:41
Psiheh, ive never used that11:41
DocScrutinizerme neither11:41
Psiit was pretty badly layed out11:42
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Psii saw a pic of it11:42
DocScrutinizer51~test hit twice works11:43
infobotTesting hit twice works... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$11:43
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, fixed the driver yet? :P11:44
DocScrutinizer51ZogG_N900: hit tilde twice, ignore the blue one11:44
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG_: morning11:44
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer51: huhu, my sd is back11:45
ZogG_N900but what is this blue one11:45
DocScrutinizer51ZogG_N900: notification of deadkey entere11:45
Shapeshifterdoes --purge delete config files/savegames of openttd?11:46
DocScrutinizer51enter e.g a n and you'll get ñ11:46
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer: i put the micro sd into an card reader and pulled it into an mac book. all data was there not deleted, i put it back to N900 nothing. I did an apt-get update apt-get upgrade some python thingies came in and hildon addons and some libs directly after flashing, and then it worked again11:47
TomaszDzaheerm, ping11:48
zaheermTomaszD, pong11:48
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, ~ is the key11:48
DocScrutinizer51ghostcube: anyway apt-get upgrade is strongly deprecated11:49
pupnik_it is funny to do with pr1.211:49
tybolltdidn't someone dist-upgrade and break his device?11:49
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pupnik_i did it and phone/contacts/3g is not working11:49
tybollt-> NSU :)11:49
pupnik_but the whole upgrade did install finally :)11:49
tybolltor flasher or whatever11:50
skyscraperhm dont understand alsa :(11:50
pupnik_ask questions11:50
skyscraper /proc/asound seems to be interesting11:51
ShapeshifterHow can install a package from extras when it's both in extras and extras-devel?11:51
Psiok, so what is safe to delete on root to free up some space?11:51
pupnik_skyscraper: so is pulseaudio11:51
Appiah Psi11:52
pupnik_now figure out how they relate11:52
PsiAppiah: yeah, but is down11:52
Appiahworks for me11:52
Psinot working here11:52
Appiahit's just no style11:52
Psijust times out11:52
Appiahapt-get clean11:52
Appiahapt-get autoremove11:53
Psistill 41mb11:53
Appiah Psi11:53
Appiahhere you go :D11:53
skyscraperdont understand anything only want a "bridge" between mic capture and playback device11:54
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Psithats better, 54MB with extra-devel disabled11:55
MohammadAG_morning DocScrutinizer5111:55
* noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG_ 11:55
Xexplorerhi, is there a rescue boot image for the N900?11:55
* MohammadAG_ throws frals at noobmonk3y 11:55
noobmonk3yXexplorer, you mean flashing it? :)11:56
* noobmonk3y w00000ts11:56
FredrIQWhat time is it in gmt+1 (+summertime)? maybe i've do smth with my clock..11:56
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer51: on an debian system apt-get upgrade is not wanted o.O11:56
noobmonk3yalmost 11am i'd say11:57
skyscrapergmt+1 summer : 10:5611:57
ghostcubei always do apt-get for my updates11:57
Xexplorerno, i want a rescue image for playing with it11:57
FredrIQty skyscraper11:57
noobmonk3yrescue image?11:57
noobmonk3yyou can have the flash image easily, not sure what you mean11:57
pupnik_das deutschen are gestoomphen on ze maemo11:58
* noobmonk3y sticks a carrot up frals nose11:58
ghostcubeach was11:58
noobmonk3yi used to live in hamburg :)11:58
ghostcube:) hamburger royal ts11:59
ghostcubeiam hungry11:59
pupnik_i likes germany11:59
skyscraperui ne menge deutsche hier :d11:59
* noobmonk3y thinks infobot needs a hand from googletranslatebot11:59
pupnik_ich bin hesse.  un nix mehr11:59
skyscraperwenn mir jetzt noch einer helfen kann is er gut11:59
ghostcubeich bin pälzer also geh heim koch jüngling :P11:59
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Xexplorerlol such halt nen image mit ssh um immer aufs "900 zu kommen12:00
pupnik_skyscraper: i have run a gstreamer script that echoes mic to speakers12:00
ghostcubeXexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :)12:00
skyscraperyeah nice! where is that script?12:00
pupnik_and the commandline is in the #maemo logs.  :)12:01
Xexploreri wan't to have a second working small system12:01
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ghostcubeanyone can explain to m, why its not good to use apt-get on an debian system,12:01
Psihas anyone got samba server running?12:02
ghostcube:O no would be cool where is it12:02
pupnik_ghostcube: apparently the pr1.2 install doesnt use apt to set up scripts in the proper order/way12:02
ghostcubeaha, will this be changed ?12:02
skyscraperXexplorer nimm den programmmanager und installier den ssh sevrer??12:02
ghostcubehab ich doch schon gesagt ...12:03
ghostcubedas mag er nit12:03
pupnik_dunno.  i upgraded and broke a lot of stuff.  irssi still works tho :)12:03
skyscraperwhere oO12:03
ghostcubehmmm iupgraded and broke nthing lol i reanabled my sd card12:03
ghostcube<ghostcube> Xexplorer: hmm why not installing ssh server :)12:03
pupnik_what ghostcube - phone works??12:03
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ghostcubepupnik_: like charm12:03
ghostcube3g 2g all12:03
skyscraperpupnik_ dont you know the gstreamer command anymore?12:03
ghostcubeeverything works fine, after an upgrade and an dist-upgrade12:04
Xexplorerdas hab ich'aber wenn dich bei den bootscripten fehler baue muss ich ja trotzdem irgendwie aufs gerät kommen ohne zu flashen12:04
skyscraperghostcube gibs denn ne andere lösung für ssh?! oO12:04
pupnik_i dont know it.  just pupnik+gstreamer and maybe microphone12:04
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ghostcubeskyscraper: normal nich12:04
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skyscraperghostcube was er will geht nich12:04
Xexplorerhalt nen 2. system booten um das 1. zu fixen12:05
ghostcubei know, you know, he needs time to know :D12:05
skyscraperzur bootzeit nen ssh haben?!12:05
ghostcubeXexplorer: fail! du musst bei sonem hammer fehler neu flashen12:05
DocScrutinizer51this is an english channel12:05
ghostcubemach backup vorher aber nich auf die sd karte lol12:05
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer: sorry ..12:05
hrwghostcube: ja, naturlisch12:05
Psiso its saying that all files in the device memory will be removed durning the update. Does that mean its going to wipe it?12:05
Xexplorerfürs 800 er gibts das12:05
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ghostcubeXexplorer: can you may talk english again12:06
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer51: is getting pissed12:06
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skyscraperinstall mer to sd card :p12:07
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Xexploreron N800 is a bootmanager and image to boot a rescue system to fix the main one12:07
MohammadAG_use mer12:07
skyscraperthen you can but mer and fix your probs12:07
MohammadAG_or fedora12:07
ghostcubeo.O no idea if this wqorking on N90012:07
Xexplorerthats what im looking for12:07
MohammadAG_it is...12:07
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skyscraperxexplorer install n900 bootmanage3 and mer on sd12:08
Xexplorerok i ll have a look on mer12:08
ghostcubewoah this new display keyboard drives me nuts12:09
skyscraperits very easy - im running it too@xexplorer12:09
skyscraperive installed mer and then lxde. looks nice12:10
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Xexplorertnx so far ill come back if it works, but ive not found a howto yet12:10
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skyscraperf... crashed microb12:11
skyscraperah yeah. there i can read maemo logs12:11
pupnik_i couldnt find it skyscraper12:12
MohammadAG_ovi update up?12:12
dnearyweird. IRC working fine, HTTP not giving me anything12:13
dnearyAnd DNS looks to be working OK12:13
Surfaclose and reopen browser doesn't help?12:13
dnearyAnd * isn't responding to pings at all...12:13
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Surfaand all web sites do the same?12:14
pupnik_nonetheless, pupnik wishes dneary a nice day12:14
skyscrapermaybe under another nick @ pupnik12:14
dnearypupnik_, Thanks12:14
dnearyJust looks broken12:14
dnearyreally weird that IRC is working12:14
* tybollt hands dneary a cupa joe... this gone be a bad day to be dneary - eh? :)12:15
skyscraperor mayber@ #maemo-devel?12:15
dnearytybollt, Nah12:15
tybolltor whoever handles the site...12:16
dnearytybollt, It's always a good day to be me :)12:16
dnearyIt's not just * - just seems like some weird gateways stuff going on12:16
tybolltah ok...12:16
dnearyAnd I guess I was lucky to connect to IRC servers before it fell over12:16
tybollthosting cockup then?12:16
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javeis tangogps in some repos?12:18
MohammadAGW: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/mohammad/Desktop/ubuntu-chroot mount -t proc proc /proc <-- any ideas?12:20
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hrwjave: universe12:21
hrw     0.99.3+debian-2 012:21
hrw        700 lucid/universe Packages12:21
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Appiahhmmm did the PR1.2 include the turnbyturn ovi maps?12:22
javehrw: Thanks. how can I add universe from cmd line? my debian is a bit rusty12:22
tybolltAppiah: updated ovi maps, but !t-by-t12:22
SpeedEvilmaps got sat-view though12:23
Sceltsure not12:23
jacekowskijave: you mean repository?12:23
javejacekowski: ye12:23
MohammadAGcan someone post their rootfs 1k block size?12:23
hrwjave: edit /etc/apt/sources.list12:23
jacekowskijave: add it using app manager12:23
MohammadAGmine's 232868, but someone has it as 233344, which bugs me a bit12:24
DocScrutinizer51jave: use appmanager to add repos12:24
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: / size will vary somewhat due to factory bad  blocks12:25
visz233224 here12:25
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, and I suppose that can't be fixed right?12:25
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: no12:27
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MohammadAG"GSM Arena has announced MeeGo 1.0..." <-- the way some users word their threads amazes me12:28
tybolltMohammadAG: jaja that's for netbooks12:28
hrwn900 meego image got something other then xterminal?12:29
pupnik_but they didnt announce it12:29
MohammadAGtybollt, I know...12:29
MohammadAGtybollt, but Nokia announced their stuff, not some other site12:29
tybolltpupnik_: these days you announce via Jizzmodo and Enspanket12:30
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: cat /sys/class/ubi/ubi0/bad_peb_count12:30
* Psi waits while phone updates12:30
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Shows the number of initially marked bad blocks.12:31
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: It's specced at something like 25 max IIRC12:31
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pupnik_tybollt: getting old is weird.  you stop caring about so many things.12:32
tybolltSpeedEvil, MohammadAG: 112:32
DocScrutinizer510  \o/12:34
DocScrutinizer51who's got less?12:34
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: amount of perfectly fine working pwrbuttons? :P12:34
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Wolfieyay, 0 here too12:43
DocScrutinizer51silly game :-)12:45
skyscraperpupnik_ st-launch autoaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink12:46
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phellarvpupnik_: Wrong - The older I get, the more I care about the little things. And the big things too, come to think of it.12:47
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pupnik_i said OLD, phellarv12:48
phellarvpupnik_: I'm old.12:48
skyscraperfm tx wont work while on headset?!12:48
ghostcubeiam older o.o12:48
pupnik_visit nursing home.  document number of subjects they care about.  get back to us12:48
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DocScrutinizer51skyscraper: allegedly not. but maybe the OS fails to enforce that restriction12:50
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pupnik_is there a way to restart browser daemon12:52
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ghostcubewhat does driver sd neds update mean in my dmesg backlogs o.O12:52
ghostcubemaybe the reason for my sd lose yesterday?12:53
Stskeepsignore it, appears everywhere12:53
SpeedEvilghostcube: It's irrelevant.12:53
Mberehow do i get the application manager to work over wifi connection?12:53
Mberethe connection i use requires proxy with userame and password12:53
SpeedEvilghostcube: It means you need to submit a patch for the SD driver, but it's a really low priority. :)12:53
phellarvMbere: Disconnect from your Mobile-connection?12:53
ghostcubeSpeedEvil: oki :)12:53
Mberei can browse the net but i can't download anyting using the application manager12:53
ghostcubeyou set an proxy for the inet connection in extended settings dialog?12:54
phellarvMbere: Some Evil FW/Proxy thingabillybong inbetween then?12:54
skyscrapercan i force on fmtx?12:54
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Mberephellarv: yeah but where is the option of proxy username and password12:55
phellarvskyscraper: Probably - Something under /proc/*12:55
povbot`Bug 3783: Metabug about Applications ignoring Proxy settings12:56
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SpeedEvilsee that Mbere12:56
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phellarvMbere: export http_proxy=  (And start HAM from xterm)12:56
ghostcubewoah .... for all eu inhabitants its OT but it makes you sick12:57
Mbereahhh :(12:57
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SpeedEvilghostcube: Err - no.12:57
ghostcube-.- thats true12:58
SpeedEvilghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive.12:58
ghostcubebut we buy them with our taxes for them12:58
ghostcubeits not the pad itself12:58
SpeedEvilghostcube: If 4m measurably improves performance - perhaps with some custom apps - it's a net win12:58
Stskeepsghostcube: who cares about multitasking when you're a MEP anyway, your secretary handles it12:58
ghostcubebut we pay it12:58
SpeedEvilghostcube: You are also implicitly arguing that they should do all secetarial work themselves too.12:58
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SpeedEvilghostcube: Sometimes people are more efficient at their jobs with more stuff.12:59
Stskeepsghostcube: and the move once in a while to strassburg12:59
tybolltghostcube: yeah fuck that - that is outrageous :(12:59
ghostcubeiam an tax consultant i know about the eu MEP guys12:59
ghostcubeand i hate how they use my taxes12:59
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ghostcubespecially if they bring it stevie baby13:00
tybolltghostcube: nevermind bruxxels <-> strasbourg... :-|13:00
tybolltthat is the worst part of EU all together...13:00
marmoute"< SpeedEvil> ghostcube: Ipads are very comparatively inexpensive." --> ROFL13:00
tybolltthe 541897512387827482391758947189572389 EUR we spend each month to move between13:00
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Bluewinddoes the backup prog really only backup applications installed using HAM and not apt-get?13:02
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phellarvBluewind: Mmm13:02
marmouteSpeedEvil: iPad price is Half component half marging13:02
SpeedEvilmarmoute: Err - so?13:02
ZogG_N900so where is my ovistore?13:02
SpeedEvilmarmoute: So are most successful devices.13:02
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SpeedEvilmarmoute: Comparatively inexpensive, compared to an hours paid secetarial time.13:03
ghostcubeapple is an hype no one knows what caused it -.-13:03
phellarvZogG_N900: It ran that way ------>13:03
marmouteSpeedEvil: so what do you mean by comparatively inexpensive ?13:03
ghostcubebut i knew that if the hype gets on the viruses will spread :D13:03
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Psiso far so good, update seems to have worked, its currently reinstalling all the apps13:04
DarkAvengerdoh, ipad margins are NOTHING like the iphone13:04
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DarkAvengerbuying it from foxconn for $150, sell it for 500-600+13:04
DarkAvengerapple is making a killing13:04
Psikilling is right13:04
Psithey are working the people to death13:04
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ZogG_N900viva la apple13:05
DocScrutinizerFoxconn is killing people13:05
ghostcubeyeah newtons apple13:05
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DarkAvengerDocScrutinizer: literally13:05
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DocScrutinizerbut they got fences now on the windows, to stop that annoying habit of jumping out at the 5th floor13:06
phellarvTbh - The Apple guys have lots of really cool and innovative ideas - But it's a terribly sad way of putting them into use.13:06
DarkAvengerthe arbitrary $100 price jump for every storage increase is fun too13:06
ZogG_N900it so stupid to jump of 5th floor13:06
DocScrutinizeranyway Foxconn is bulding iPhones :-P13:07
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DarkAvengerconsidering that a 32 gb flash module costs what? 10 more dollars than a 16 one13:07
pupnik_funny how this 'news' went viral13:07
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ZogG_N900i would jump from 1st floor :D13:07
tybolltpupnik_: and you don't care - please reitterate that - we didn't hear you the first time :P13:08
ghostcubenah from garage to first floor13:08
ghostcubeso jump up13:08
SpeedEvilDarkAvenger: You don't get to complain about this.13:08
ZogG_N900i want shazam. and nokia has it btw13:08
SpeedEvilDarkAvenger: Unless you bring to market a competing device cheaper.13:08
ZogG_N900what are they waiting for )13:08
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DarkAvengerim not complaining, just pointing it out13:08
ZogG_N900speedevil there cheap chineephones13:09
ZogG_N900there are*13:09
SpeedEvilZogG_N900: generally not feature competitive.13:09
SpeedEvilZogG_N900: Point me out one with flash, 32G, 256M, 600MHz omap... , 3g (or better)13:10
ZogG_N900there was something on android13:10
ZogG_N900there was post on tmo13:10
ShapeshifterSo, where can I change the color settings for the x terminal shipped with the n900? not just fg/bg but more like Xdefaults or something13:10
ruskieShapeshifter, it doesn't sadly support those13:11
ZogG_N900from phone so can't search for it13:11
ZogG_N900shapeshifter config files13:11
ruskieShapeshifter, someone needs to port over urxvt and make it work like osso-xterm with the stuff13:11
SpeedEvilZogG: Feature compatible also includes warranty13:11
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Shapeshifterruskie: :/ I was thinking about porting urxvt but deb packaging is such a hassle13:11
ZogG_N900speedevil oh sorry it was like ipad13:11
ZogG_N900but there are phones too13:12
ruskieShapeshifter, it would need more than just repackage13:12
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ZogG_N900speedevil so if it doesn't work i can complain?13:12
Shapeshifterruskie: why? there's an ARM debian package13:12
SpeedEvilZogG: I've never seen a comparable phone from china. Even neglecting the whole linux thing.13:12
SpeedEvilZogG: Or if it stops working in 9 months, you can get it fixed free.13:12
ruskieShapeshifter, you lack a menu, a quick access bar for those all important missing keys13:12
ghostcubeguys a question, is skype video call only working if both do have a cam o.O13:13
Stskeepsi wonder who makes the first chatroulette n900 app13:13
ghostcubewill he be banned for lifetime?13:13
ruskieall eternity13:13
ZogG_N900speedevil that is one thing. u can tell abot anyphone. iphone got to my country officially not too long ago. there were no way to repair before13:13
Shapeshifterruskie: the only onscreen key I use regularly is TAB and that can be bound to something13:14
pupnik_tybollt: i meant it as an observation on how older people begin to focus. maybe a techniqa13:15
IkarusShapeshifter: it is bound to ctrl+i by default :P13:15
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pupnik_ue to learn13:15
Shapeshifterand maybe esc13:15
strcpyany idea why N900`s default browser stopped working after PR 1.2 upgrade?13:15
ruskieShapeshifter, | > pgup/pgdn ~ sticky ctrl and tab13:15
ZogG_N900ctrl+i in xchat separete tabs in separete windows )13:16
marmoutestrcpy: because timeless_mbp don't like you.13:16
ruskieShapeshifter, I guess you didn't do much with terminals13:16
marmoutestrcpy: what do you mean by "stop working" ?13:16
marmoutestrcpy: I have some refresh issue but It's still usable.13:16
strcpyfirefox works like before, but trying to open default browser leads to minor cpu spike and then nothing13:16
marmoutestrcpy: how did you upgrade ?13:17
timeless_mbpstrcpy: are you using something stupid like browserswitchboard?13:17
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strcpywhat I did recently bricked phone , flashed maemo firmware > updated by nokia software update .13:17
phellarvstrcpy: Open X-Term - Run browser - See output13:17
DarkAvengerso i guess N900 can't do X rotation that well. browser portrait scrolling still as choppy as in 1.113:18
phellarvstrcpy: Open X-Term - Write "browser" - Press Enter - See output13:18
strcpyyea seems on switchboard, cus "browser" outputs switchborad is already running13:18
DarkAvengeri have an eye for these things... even the slightest screen tearing bothers me ;/13:18
ghostcubewhy does programm manager not show the same updates as apt-get upgrade ?13:19
ghostcubehas been since 1.1.1 here13:19
strcpykilling switchboard process won`t either help13:19
Shapeshifterruskie: I have a dozen terminals open on my pc ^^ I have pgup/pgdown on fn-up/fn-down, | on fn-c, [] on shift-up/shift-down on my n900. what do you need sticky ctrl for? modal hotkeys work without that13:20
strcpymicrob opens,cpu spike, & death..13:20
marmoutewhat is switchboard13:20
phellarvapt-get remove --purge browser-switchboard13:20
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strcpyphellarv: isn`t switchboard default app provided on firmware?13:21
Shapeshifterruskie: you can fix any of that with some xkbmap tweaking13:21
phellarvstrcpy: Nope13:21
lcukDarkAvenger, however do you cope on desktop?   on every machine i have flash video tears horribly13:21
strcpyso where do it come from ? installing firefox?13:21
ruskieShapeshifter, not an option13:21
phellarvstrcpy: 3.2-1fremantle1 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-testing_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages)13:22
Shapeshifterruskie: it would be an option for me, hence a simple port would be enough. maybe I should give it a try tonight13:22
DarkAvengerlcuk with nvidia vsync enabled, compiz vsync enabled, and the other gl sync option which i cant remember enabled i get no tearing13:22
ruskieShapeshifter, repackaging isn't really a problem though13:22
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lcuklucky you :) when im playing with my toys on maemo i also get no tearing13:23
phellarvstrcpy: Correct - Fennec wants browser switchboard13:23
DarkAvengerits only portrait browsing on maemo13:23
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strcpyphellarv,  thanks for your comment. it solved the problem :)13:24
strcpyI've another issue after upgrade. although extra-protocol support for telepathy installed and I`m using it,13:25
strcpybut while update or APT works, I`m still getting dependency errors about it`s failure in "--configure"13:26
strcpylet me pastebin it13:26
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fralsX-Fade: seems borked13:29
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phellarvstrcpy: apt-get -f install13:33
crashanddieDarkAvenger: tried opera?13:33
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Khertan_atWorkHi !13:34
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crashanddieyo Khertan_atWork13:34
DarkAvengerno but i will13:34
strcpyphellarv, tryed it before. not help13:34
MohammadAG~seen noobmonk3y13:34
infobotnoobmonk3y <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 35m 41s ago, saying: 'lol'.13:34
Khertan_atWorkheya crashanddie  !13:35
strcpyphellarv, result :
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ruskieShapeshifter, no perl rebuilt... try it out13:36
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phellarvstrcpy: dpkg --configure account-plugin-salut13:42
BT_hi, I want to port maemo on my beagleboard C3. suggest some links, guide13:43
StskeepsBT_: omappedia.org13:44
Shapeshifterruskie: nice, but there's a problem with installing it: short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/maemo/usr/bin/urxvtd')13:44
Shapeshifterruskie: (error processing)13:45
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dridkuserhi,how can i share my 3g connection from my n900 to my macos ?13:47
pupnik_dridkuser: hotspot13:47
Wolfiedoesn't joikuspot exist for n900?13:47
IkarusWolfie: it costs money and doesn't do anything more then hotspot does13:48
SpeedEvilhotspot makes n900 hot!13:48
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dridkuserhotspot? is it an app?13:48
SpeedEvil(as would jokiospot)13:48
dridkuserwhere ?13:48
Wolfieout of devel/testing?13:48
dridkuseri cannot find it in my repository13:49
SpeedEvilI think it's in extras-testing13:49
Wolfieaww :/13:49
dridkuserim looking for13:49
SpeedEvilerr - no13:50
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Wolfiehm, well this sucks13:51
Wolfiewhen there are multiple updates avaialble, and there's a list of stuff to upload, i would've expected to select those I want, and then just press "update" for all of them13:51
Wolfienow i must update either all, or each individually13:51
Wolfie...and once it's updated one, it does some kind of checking and locks the ui for a moment13:52
SpeedEvilAdd a bug!13:52
SpeedEvilAdding bugs is fun!13:52
Wolfiei respectfully disagree13:52
SpeedEvil(Though search to see if it exists first)13:52
Wolfie(i.e. i can't be bothered to create yet another username)13:52
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javeis ther an Emacs for n900 in some repos?14:21
threshn900 only allows one OS at a time :(14:22
ghostcubethresh: apple allows only one app at one time :P14:23
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javeI get google hits of ppl running a proper emacs on n900, I just didnt see if it was packaged14:24
ruskieShapeshifter, no problem here14:24
ruskieShapeshifter, I did install it from the repo not manually download it14:24
javeill suppose ill have to set up a build chain14:24
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SpeedEvilapt-get install emacs does not work14:26
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ruskieShapeshifter, but anyway a few issues: can't scroll up, paste, no special chars easily available14:27
SpeedEvilapt-cache search ".*emacs.*"14:28
SpeedEvilmksh - enhanced version of the Korn shell14:28
SpeedEvilerlang-tools - Erlang/OTP various tools14:28
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smokumksh?  make shell? :D14:30
BT_getting error when I do sb-conf st maemo-beagle -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -d cputransp:perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t qemu-arm-cvs-m14:30
smokumkfs, mkdir, mktemp, mksh14:31
BT_no such devkit: cputransp14:31
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cehteherr google yourself14:32
cehtehits packaged but not in the repos14:33
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cehtehin EasyDebian you have emacs too14:35
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lcukwhat music is #maemo listening too this morning?14:36
cehtehthe sound of some computer fans here :P14:36
SpeedEvilI am listening to Prince and Lady Gaga.14:37
Stskeepslcuk: gogol bordello14:37
tybolltNiN - Closer?14:37
smokuCrystal Method14:37
tybolltdimu borgir?14:37
BT_any help for no such devkit: cputransp14:37
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SpeedEvilAlso, Bowie, Blackbox recorder, and Florence and the Machine14:38
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lcuki have Eat Static - Implant on atm14:38
Shapeshifterruskie: I'll have a look at it later14:38
Shapeshifterruskie: thanks for your effort though!14:38
cehtehanyone using mobilehotspot on pr1.214:38
ryan1918run www.ryan1918.com14:38
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ruskieapt-get purge cherry <-- DO NOT WANT14:39
lcukBT_, scratchbox-devkit-cputransp14:39
cehteh.. dont want to brock my device again14:39
lcukinstall OUTSIDE scratchbox14:39
lcukand then you can add it to your config14:39
ruskieShapeshifter, if you can get those things working using the physical keyboard I'll be interested14:39
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Khertan_atWorkhi again !14:40
* SpeedEvil puts on Material World. ( - not madonna)14:40
Khertan_atWorklcuk: amon amarth -  versus the world14:40
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cehtehruskie: what bindings? .. i mean the physical keyboard is quite easily configureable14:40
lcukKhertan_atWork, :D14:40
Khertan_atWorkthe next is : die apokalyptischen reiter - human end14:41
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ruskiecehteh, so how can I get the keys for: ~ > < | pgup/pgdn there?14:41
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Shapeshifterruskie: well I said earlier that I have fn-up/down == pgup/pgdown, fn-c ==|, shift-up/down == [/], shift-left/right == </>14:43
Shapeshifterruskie: if you don't want [] you could bind shift-up t~ for example14:44
Shapeshifter*to ~14:44
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ShapeshifterI also have fn-left/right == Home/End btw14:44
tgalalI'm getting upgrade your Nokia N900 ti enter Ovi Store every time I open ovi store, even though I'm on PR1.2 is this normal?14:44
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X-Fadetgalal: How did you upgrade?14:45
tgalalX-Fade, NSU14:45
X-Fadetgalal: Ok, that should be fine.14:45
ruskiehmm so basically without VAT nokia cost me with the 1.2 upgrade 0.0696 eur due to MyNokia SMSes14:46
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SpeedEvilDoes the ovi store still have no paid content?14:47
SpeedEvilOr am I accessing an old version somehow14:47
BT_luck ; i have added cputansp in devkit folder14:48
BT_now getting different error14:48
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chem|stSpeedEvil: last time I checked there were some wallpapers for 2eur (who would buy a darn bad pic for that price anyway?)14:48
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BT_sb-conf No such cpu-transparency method qemu-arm-cvs-m14:49
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SpeedEvilchem|st: well - yes - those14:50
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javetrying EasyDebian now14:51
chem|stthis upgrade is a pain... please someone shoot the guy who said it is ready to be released14:51
tgalalX-Fade, so why is it not detecting my pr1.214:52
X-Fadetgalal: No idea.14:52
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chem|sttgalal: hide user agent?14:52
X-Fadetgalal: did you try directly?14:53
admiral0hello everybody14:53
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tgalalX-Fade, yeah it's saying my phone is not supported yet14:53
tgalalchem|st, I've got this app, but it's saying my user agent is not customized14:53
admiral0i have some issues with hildon. After a while icon launchers stop working14:53
tgalalchem|st, oh it is customized !14:54
admiral0i have to restart to get them to work again14:54
chem|sttgalal: would you mind to stand in that corner for a while please?14:54
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tgalalchem|st, lol my bad14:54
admiral0also Desktop command execution widget does the same14:54
tgalalworking now14:54
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admiral0anyone had this issue?14:55
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ruskieShapeshifter, well I could live without € and pound signs so that would be | ~... and binding pgup/dn to fn up/dn and < > to fn left/right got any info on playing with that?14:57
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admiral0now after a restart i get no launchers and all desktop command exec widgets are empty14:58
Ken-Youngruskie, I have made changes like that.14:58
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Ken-Youngruskie, You he file rx-51need to esit t14:59
Ken-Youngruskie, Sorry - you need to edit the file rx-51 .14:59
Ken-Youngruskie, in /sur/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr15:01
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* ruskie tries to remember what key names there are...15:04
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* ruskie wonders how people modified the arrow key bindings15:09
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ZogGruskie, there are options there as well15:10
ZogGruskie, get the russian layotu and check it, they have letters on arrows as well15:10
* ZogG xmms2> Gorillaz - Cloud of Unknowing (feat. Bobby Womack and Sinfonia ViVA) ["Plastic Beach" 2010]15:10
ZogGgreat album15:10
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ghostcubeis this the new gorillaz album?15:14
ghostcubeah yes, i think the old one has better songs15:15
crashanddielcuk: what's worse for your health, eating 68 strips of bacon, or a milkshake?15:17
lcukat the moment i cant have either15:18
lcuktoo much sugar and crunchiness :'(15:18
lcukand i keep smelling bacon15:18
crashanddielcuk: a milkshake so rich it has the same caloric content as 68 strips of bacon :P15:18
jaskabacon sounds preferable, tastes better i bet15:19
lcukblended bacon-shake mmm15:20
corecodeany idea how to sync the calendar of my n900 with my deskop pc?15:20
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corecodehow does that work?15:21
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corecodedo i need bluetooth?15:22
ruskiehmm wth are the
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corecodeah, syncml server15:23
ruskieor use nokia pc suite on windows15:24
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ZogGghostcube, there are great song here15:25
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ZogGcrashanddie i would eat bacons and drink milkshake after15:26
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: "does it blend?"15:28
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ruskiehmm well custom keymap still doesn't bring me usable shift+pgup/pgdn15:30
DocScrutinizerI'd like to put mentorgraphics musb core to that test15:30
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ruskieand odly doublf fn in urxvt won't lock fn15:31
DocScrutinizerpreferrably together with the head who wrote it15:31
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ZogGruskie have you reboted?15:31
ruskieZogG, yup15:32
E0xruskie: from sourcemage right ?15:32
ruskieZogG, I'll have to examine the Xdefaults... maybe I can define a few other key combos for the stuff I want15:32
ruskieE0x, bingo15:32
* ruskie is amazed so many people are starting to know him15:33
E0xsourcemage still alive ?15:33
ZogGruskie, there is also package hebrew maps, it add hebrew as 3rd language - check it as well15:33
ruskieE0x, yup15:33
ruskieZogG, well the keys I bound work... but not what I was expecting15:34
ZogGruskie, i'm using only english - thinking to set other language as h4k3r5 language - just with special symbols =)15:34
ruskieZogG, I get | and ~ and < >15:34
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ruskieI also think I get pgup/pgdn(need to recheck this)15:34
ZogGruskie, check the package i told you =) what does it do15:34
ruskiebut I also want to be able to do shift+pgup/pgdn so I can scroll the terminal15:35
ZogGruskie, you can't i think15:35
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ruskieZogG, urxvt not osso-xterm ;)15:35
ZogGshift cancells special char15:35
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ruskiewell would help if I could fn lock it15:36
ZogGruskie, you can if you set pgdwn as primary =)15:36
E0xyes, why fn dont get lock everywhere15:36
ZogGruskie, doesn't matter - it cancel - try fn lock and shift some blue symbol - what does it do?15:36
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ZogGE0x, it does but shift cancel it15:36
ruskieI'll play with that more at home15:36
ruskieifI remember that is ;)15:36
* ruskie tends to forget his devices over the weekend most of the time15:37
ruskieand amazing the n900 will last through the weekend on battery15:37
ruskieat times won't even be in the red on monday morning15:37
ZogGruskie, as i said - just add another language where up is pgdwn and all letters are special characters and blue more special, just for terminal =)15:37
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ruskieis there a quick switch?15:38
E0xn900 is a great device just need a software polish but not much15:38
E0xjust a bit15:38
ruskieit needs a lot of sw polish imo15:38
E0xnot that much15:38
ZogGruskie, languages? ctrl+space15:38
ruskieit should be possible to upgrade using apt-get without breakage15:38
ZogGE0x, it needs more integration - that you can integrate programs with official, for example to ability to add fmms in conversation or add scripts in menu of file manager and so on15:39
ruskieit needs to stop thinking it's users are kids and let them have full access to everything(through the file dialogs)15:40
E0xthe intent do it with meego15:40
ruskieunlike symbian atleast on linux there is some sane semblance of what goes where...15:40
E0xfix that15:41
E0xbut i like more meamo15:41
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ruskienot cryptinc 35ab5ac55 dirs that nobody knows what belongs there15:41
ZogGruskie, it's to send info about you to nokia15:41
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ZogGso we don't get ovi store yet? =)15:42
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jaskaarg, no en_DK locales so i could get iso8601 date/time formats15:42
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ruskieZogG, apt-get purge $(cat oviremovelist nokiamaps adobe skype modest ezitext cherry and others)15:43
ruskiejaska, yeah I'd like that as well15:43
ghostcubewhat is this rollercoaster game i read about :D15:44
ZogG生日快乐 - 致朋友 - MMS - what is that? and it cost 1 EUR15:44
ruskieor atleast a way to define the formats15:44
ZogGghostcube, check the youtube, it looks awesome15:44
ghostcubeis it available so far for the n900?15:44
Surfaghostcube, multiple devices have that as side scroller version, it's fun game even that way15:45
Surfaghostcube, not available yet15:45
ghostcubeok :) thx15:45
Surfa"soon, not yet"15:45
Surfai kind of wished it to come this week, but clock is ticking15:45
ZogGghostcube it's aviable on N900 as other apps but they are not in public, i mean Nokia or dev company has it, but you can't get it =)15:46
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ZogGi was waiting for pr1.2 in hope nokia convert some symbian QT programs to maemo. NoGo15:47
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loufoqueis there a way for maemo to not connect to a wifi network unless it needs to?15:48
jpesince my update to the latest firmware , the mail for exchange fails to synchronize with my google calender....15:49
ZogGloufoque yes, there is option15:49
ZogGlets collect all our N900s and build the house of them =)15:49
loufoqueZogG: where?15:50
ZogGloufoque internets or connections - there is option to check wifis - set it to never15:50
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lcukZogG, make a whole wall of them and use the cameras to make the wall transparent15:51
ZogGloufoque, setting → internet connections → connect automaticlly and Search interval15:51
ZogGlcuk nice idea =)15:51
ZogGlcuk, are you happy that you bought it? =)15:51
lcukbought what?15:52
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ZogGokay you got it for free ­— so you are happy =)15:52
loufoqueZogG: any reason I shouldn't set this to never?15:52
ZogGloufoque, if you want to get autoconnection when it's aviable15:52
lcukZogG, :) of course i'm happy, maemo rox and is the most accessible mobile OS anywhere15:53
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loufoqueZogG: isn't it just a waste of battery to connect to wifi if I don't use it?15:53
lcukand actually getting my name in the changelogs for it is an immensely proud feeling :)15:53
ZogGlcuk accessible for what?15:54
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lcukfor anything :) x11 allows people to write their apps using the tools they are happiest with15:55
Skyscraperback again15:55
ZogGlcuk meh, don't see a lot of apps =)15:56
Skyscraperhave the same problem:15:56
SkyscraperFM-Transmitter active and Headphones - incompatible?! -.-15:56
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ZogGSkyscraper, same as?15:57
ZogGSkyscraper was it bug?15:57
jaska looks like theres a bug for the missing locale15:57
povbot`Bug 7591: locale en_DK isn't installed15:57
SkyscraperZogG the same problem as 3 hours ago :D15:57
lcukZogG, meh it would be simple to release apps like candy, just package up simple websites and away you go15:57
Skyscrapertrying to steam the headset microphone input via fm transmitter15:57
GAN900Ah, Nokia, the company of delays.15:58
ZogGlcuk there are a lot of games and usefull apps on iphone except what you are talking about15:58
lcukwho said anything about iphone?15:58
* GAN900 somehow didn't get a full charge last night.15:58
Skyscraperalready found a solution for playback microphone input... but now i have the next problem: fm transmitter wont work when headphones connected... dont know why... - maybe possible to "hack"?15:58
ZogGlcuk, okay android =)15:59
lcukor android?15:59
ZogGSkyscraper, as you mic is in headphones now? =)15:59
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lcukor do you equate those platforms as having crappy webpages wrapped into "apps" as the norm ;)16:00
ZogGlcuk, there are 2 main other OSs like maemo and for devices for price and similar for n90016:00
SkyscraperZogG i've connected the included headphones... have mic inclusive... - and i can do it, that i can hear myself in the headset speakers... - but i CANT get the fm tx on16:00
ZogGlcuk, there are millions of apps for them and even 99% are websites - still that 1% is more than we have =)16:00
SpeedEvilloufoque: Connecting to a powersaving wlan uses about .1% of battery per hour16:01
ZogGSkyscraper, have no idea man. sorry16:01
lcukZogG, have you released any apps?16:01
ZogGSpeedEvil, what is powersaving wlan?16:01
ZogGlcuk, not a programmer =(16:01
SpeedEvilZogG: A wan that implements powersaving.16:01
SpeedEvilZogG: wlan16:01
ZogGSpeedEvil, is it from host side?16:02
lcukZogG, dont let that stop you16:02
SpeedEvilZogG: With powersaving turned off - the wlan uses around 20%/hour of battery.16:02
lcukget involved with some other apps16:02
SpeedEvilZogG: Powersaving is a setting in the connections dialog.16:02
lcuki hear the fart app is looking for sound effecst16:02
SpeedEvilZogG: Per connection.16:02
Kegetysisnt there multiple settings for it16:02
SpeedEvilZogG: It requires the router to support it to work well.16:02
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SkyscraperZogG see here: - means that, that i need a hacked firmware?16:03
ZogGlcuk, i know - it sounds like whining, and i would agree as N900 is new and maemo is new, but still, i'm the user. i pay money for something. for example there are some progrs for N900 nokia has (on youtube they show) but you can't get them16:03
X-FadeSo, real device emulation available now. Cool!16:03
ZogGit looks like we are polygon for the tests =)16:03
SpeedEvilZogG: With my router, and powersaving set to max - I get >140 hours standby16:03
SpeedEvilZogG: able to login over ssh, or ping the phone with under 500ms delay16:03
ZogGSpeedEvil, didn't know that, but there are so many connections in the city as well when it search for connection it takes power.16:04
lcukZogG, mmm you mean the ovi stuff16:04
ZogGSpeedEvil, i have router and don't mind to stay connected without powersaving )16:04
SpeedEvilZogG: That does not happen if you're logged into a router.16:04
pigeonhmm, is it just me, or is 1.2 feels generally slower...16:04
lcukrollercoaster etc - i heard that was meant to be out/coming any time now?16:04
ZogGlcuk, nope. i mean shazam, new announced games and other apps16:04
lcukpigeon, if you have just updated its probably you16:05
SpeedEvilStaying connected to a router with powersaving off will take about 1/6th battery life per hour.16:05
lcuktracker is likely scanning media16:05
lcukZogG, then contact the developers?16:05
ZogGlcuk, nokia? =))16:05
ZogGhaha dead end16:05
GAN900X-Fade, "Here's what it feels like to own this thing we're not supporting anymore." ? *eg*16:05
ZogGstill didnt get answer about flash 10 =)16:05
pigeonlcuk: hmm16:06
ZogGGAN900, where is it from?16:06
pigeonlike the ui and stuff16:06
X-FadeGAN900: Put down that glass of negativism ;)16:06
loufoqueSpeedEvil: interesting. What about 3G, how much does it use?16:06
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SpeedEvilloufoque: To be inactive - almost nothing. Otherwise _lots_.16:07
pigeonjust got a "hildon-home is not responding" too16:07
ZogGlcuk, as well i don't need to promote my phone, Nokia should. it's not that they sell hardware.16:07
GAN900How do I get a battery percentage in the console?16:07
fralslshal|grep batt16:07
SpeedEvilloufoque: 1s pings - with the screen off - use around 15% of battery per hour16:07
ZogGfrals, where did you get this info about 100 000 n900 sold =)16:08
jaskalshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage16:08
rdorschI have the N900 hanging after flashing PR1.2 whenever I try to edit the desktop settings (hang when I press the "Done" button on the top right). Does that ring any bell?16:08
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ZogGSpeedEvil, have you measured all this =)16:08
tybolltrdorsch: yeah I have that one as well16:08
fralsZogG: engadget16:08
SpeedEvilI need to better organise that page.16:08
rdorschtybollt: what do you do? I restart the device....16:08
ZogGfrals, gonna read16:08
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tybolltfrals: is 1000000 much or?16:08
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rdorschtybollt: do you have a better way to get out of it?16:09
tybolltrdorsch: I can usually "click" my way out of it16:09
fralstybollt: first quote which polluted the media was 100k devices sold in 5months, correction was 100k in first five weeks16:09
rdorschWhat do you click on?16:09
tybolltfrals: again - isat much or?16:09
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evohello, Media player source code is not available, right?16:10
tybolltfrals: How many 3gS were sold during same timeframe?16:10
SpeedEvilfrals: You diddn't push a new version of fmms since the update for 1.2?16:10
fralsSpeedEvil: i did, unfortunately :P16:10
pigeonlcuk: i updated last night, but since then i feel the ui is generally slower.16:11
Kmfdmaemoim having issues with the pidgin-otr plugin. it worked before but since reinstalling after upgrading to 1.2 it gives and invalid length error16:11
fralstybollt: comparing with 3gs is a null point in my eyes, but i have no idea16:11
kirma100k in 5 weeks sounds mostly like production line ramp-up and capacity planning limitation mostly16:11
tybolltfrals: Well16:11
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tybolltfrals: just throwing out numbers is useless16:11
Kmfdmaemoanyone else use that plugin or know what is wrong or know the package maintainer16:11
lcukpigeon, check with htop and see if anything is getting in your way16:11
tybolltfrals: you have to compare it to SOMETHING16:11
fralstybollt: it was RE: an article on engadget16:11
tybollt?16:12 probably16:12
kirmagreat to compare with iphone of course as apple is media darling and they have only one product per product category at a time16:12
loufoqueSpeedEvil: I'm not sure I understand. So 3G uses nothing without a data connection established, but 15% with one?16:12
ZogGtybollt comparing to iphone it's nothing but comparing to n1 is a lot, but it's not actuall numbers - read the artice =)16:12
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kirmacomparing with amount of nokia smartphones produced over the same time period would be more informative16:12
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SpeedEvilloufoque: No - 3G with no data passing over the data connection is very lightweight16:13
SpeedEvilloufoque: But if you use that data connection - at all - then it's really not.16:13
kirmacomparing to nexus one could have made some sense16:13
ZogGjust read the article16:13
kirmaalso: touchscreen-only phones are mechanically vastly simpler to put together in lasting way than phones with slide-out qwerty keyboards...16:14
* tybollt slaps frals w/ ZogG 16:14
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pigeonhmm, from desktop to the menu, it used to do a smooth animation in 1.1, but now with 1.2 it's not for some reasons.16:15
loufoqueSpeedEvil: so basically instant messaging enabled over 3G uses a lot of battery16:16
SpeedEvilfrals: I know. I'm trying to work out what the 'real' number of users of fmms is. The stable package was updated on the 18th. after which there were perhaps 4000 downloads after the next few days.16:16
SpeedEvilfrals: And then trying to work out what the ~30000 downloads after 1.2 release means.16:16
kirmapoint of all technology news, always: "buy apple products, because they have arrogant dictator that knows what you want even if you have an differing opinion"16:16
kirmasome of the ipad news of late have been well beyond parody horizon16:17
SpeedEvilfrals: I suppose the implication is that quite a lot of people must have it installed, and not be updating it regularly, or most of the users have extras-devel or testing enabled too16:17
pigeonthe other thing i don't understand is why are some apps automatically run in the background16:17
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kirmaeffective attention-whoring for building a career of pseudo-journalist though.16:17
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pigeonlike, i can see modest running, even though i haven't started myself16:18
fralsSpeedEvil: yeah, i think most users of fmms have -devel enabled16:18
pigeonoh browserd16:18
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SpeedEvilloufoque: yes. 3G pings every 30s - representative of IRC connected to one server with an inactive channel - uses ~10% of battery per hour.16:19
tybolltfrals: surprising they actually admit their misstake - hmmm16:19
lbt_damn, I've lost the ipad cartoon link....16:19
SpeedEvilloufoque: Xchat over wifi - quite active uses ~3% or so per hour.16:19
SpeedEvilFor IRC, 2G is _lots_ better.16:20
loufoqueSpeedEvil: so basically I shouldn't idle with 3G16:20
SpeedEvilAs in well under half the usage.16:20
kirmaspeedevil: nice PING-munching IRC and XMPP proxies would be nice to have16:20
SpeedEvilWell - depends if you need the battery life.16:20
SpeedEvilkirma: indeed.16:20
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kirmaprobably should write some and set up at home server16:20
SpeedEvilkirma: Something like irssi+screen even would do that16:20
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kirmasomething like fifteen minutes is quite enough at least on my operator, and would drop the radio modem load to like almost tenth in idle conditions16:21
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SpeedEvilActually - fmms is terrible - for this purpose - as frals is always pushing new versions :)16:21
asj_you could port quassel to the phone or hack it's protocol16:22
GAN900SpeedEvil, be fun if we could get Nokia to publish these figures in the user manual. :D16:22
fralsSpeedEvil: i shouldve held the last 2 versions a week to see downloads stats after pr1.2 :)16:22
SpeedEvilIs there a list of apps by total downloads?16:22
kirmaspeedevil: well, I have screen and ircII, but native intergration of private irc messages and google chat are nice... but power hogs :I16:22
TigerTael<3 1.216:22
SpeedEvilkirma: What's worse is for example if you have 3 different IM servers, all pinging at 30s intervals - the modem will never sleep.16:22
kirmaI believe for IRC and XMPP these would even be almost absurdly simple to implement, if dedicating for that specific task16:23
kirmaSpeedEvil: I'm pretty aware of this problem :/16:23
Treibholzwhere are the settings for the "Desktop Command Execution Widget"?16:23
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kirmashould really write those proxies... stupid to run them at home and put one more point of failure on the route, but welll...16:24
SpeedEvilTreibholz: You click the desktop, click the 'gear' - and then click the little spanner16:24
TreibholzSpeedEvil: yes... :-) but where are they stored?16:24
kirmaor couple. home machine and the network connection16:24
TreibholzSpeedEvil: it looses its settings here when refreshing.16:25
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ghostcubeeh? why dos my firefox tell me i dont have flash 9 o.O16:27
tybolltflash dun work in fennec does it?16:27
tybolltalthough I really fancy the tab system in fennec, it is _really_ nice16:28
chem|stTreibholz: somewhere in ~/.*16:28
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chem|stTreibholz: .desktop_cmd_exec16:29
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Nils^greetings. I bet this question was raised very often in the last days: How to I update my n900 to the latest announced maemo. I am on linux64. No Windows or Wine available.16:30
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mfinkleghostcube: what web page?16:31
chem|stNils^: tap update16:31
ghostcubewoah zdf mediathek :)16:31
ghostcubemoment pls16:31
kirmaheh. noting that n900 is actually the top-selling phone in biggest electronics retailer in .fi, and they also sell iphones and bulk phones...16:31
chem|stNils^: or do a backup with the backup tool to your SD and flash the thing16:31
Stskeepsi was shocked landing in .fi and seeing some airport guard standing and playing with her n90016:32
SkyscraperNils^ do it with he app manager16:32
kirmaconsidering they sell phones contract-free phones starting from like 20 euros, that's quite an achievement16:32
pexikinda sad16:32
Nils^Skyscraper: the app manager (the built-in updater) says "Do it with pc-suite"16:32
SpeedEvilfrals: Ah - thanks16:33
Skyscraperyes, how many space do you have free on your rootfs? @ nils^16:33
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Nils^Skyscraper: not much. too many apps installed.16:33
trupheenixhi has anyone tried using Skype Video on the new PR 1.2?16:33
trupheenixi can't seem to get it to work on a PC16:33
ghostcubetrupheenix: yeah not working16:33
ghostcubeonly if the other has video too16:33
Skyscraperyou need at least 40-50 MB @nils^16:33
ghostcubeseeems so for me16:34
trupheenixghostcube, yea the other has a video also16:34
trupheenixghostcube, other person has a web cam16:34
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ghostcubeif you call him you can wait a few seconds16:34
Nils^Skyscraper: ok, lets see what I can uninstall16:34
ghostcubevideo should be available then16:34
SpeedEvilAha - fmradio is a much less 'scary' app.16:34
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trupheenixghostcube, i tried make skype video call16:34
Skyscraperand... i have had installed "OpenArena"... needed to uninstall it to install OTA16:34
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ghostcubeme too i see my vid he doesnt ?16:34
trupheenixbut the other person doesn't get any video16:34
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ghostcubei dont know whats causing this16:35
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Treibholzchem|st: ahh, deleting that helped :-)16:35
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SkyscraperNils^ have you brain party or open arena?16:36
ghostcubeanyone has made an succesfull skype video call16:36
SpeedEvil - yeah. You can clearly see that the total size of the population with extras-testing enabled is only a little smaller than the population with only extras.16:36
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SpeedEvilAnd there is a nice clearly visible 10 days between spikes16:36
Nils^Skyscraper: no, nothing of that16:36
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trupheenixghostcube, tried PC to PC and it works like a charm16:36
trupheenixhowever PC to N900 doesn't work as expected16:37
ghostcubeyep mac to N900 too16:37
trupheenixwonder if they tried it using Windows or something16:37
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trupheenixanyone know what could be the problem?16:38
ghostcubemac doesnt work too and i doubt any client does16:38
jaskai wonder how long localedef should take in sbox while armel, 19 mins and counting :)16:38
ghostcubeyeah the skype client on the n900 is borked i think16:38
tybolltskype :-|16:39
Kmfdmaemoi guess not many ppl use otr on their n900 i sent the package maintainer an email16:39
pigeonpexi: hmm, what is that?16:39
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Kmfdmaemoi guess an auto build system upgraded it and broke it16:39
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* ruskie wishes the default client would support otr16:40
pexireality, I guess :)16:40
pigeonpexi: that photo i meant16:40
Kmfdmaemopidgin-otr is broken16:40
Kmfdmaemooff the record messaging16:40
jaskaah, off the record, instant messaging stuff16:40
pexidon't know16:40
pigeonpexi: what program is that?16:40
Kmfdmaemoit worked before16:40
jaskaim  the get off my lawn type who uses irc and email so didnt ring a bell16:40
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ghostcubewho does the skype things?16:40
ghostcubeis it possible to mail him?16:41
trupheenixghostcube, which image are u trying?16:41
Kmfdmaemobut current version is broken and autoremoved the old working package16:41
ghostcube1.2 normal16:41
trupheenixghostcube, i'm using the Global release16:41
ghostcubeyep me too16:41
trupheenixghostcube, i initially installed the India release, it didn't have skype!16:41
trupheenixghostcube, then i used the global release it had skype16:41
trupheenixghostcube, i wonder if it is working on the UK or US ones16:42
pigeonghostcube: i have, was just testing it16:42
trupheenixpigeon, huh?16:42
trupheenixpigeon, works for u?16:42
trupheenixpigeon, wow16:42
ghostcubepigeon: you can video call?16:42
trupheenixpigeon, which image u got? Global or UK or US?16:42
pigeonskype video call, yes16:42
pigeonit worked16:42
ghostcubeok here it doesnt16:42
pigeonwlan only though16:42
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trupheenixpigeon, yea even i'm on Wlan16:43
ghostcubedoesnt work at all here16:43
ghostcubewith none client16:43
trupheenixpigeon, which image are u using? UK/US/Global?16:43
pigeonmine is a us phone, and i upgraded ota, so us i guess?16:43
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ghostcubehmm ok then the global image is borked somehow16:43
pigeoni'm thinking if i should do a reflash.16:45
trupheenixpigeon, no need16:45
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trupheenixanyone know what is a Vanilla release?16:46
Stskeepstastes of vanilla?16:46
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apolisn't it possible to update to 1.2 without connecting it to a windows computer?16:46
ghostcubeOTA update16:47
ag0nyDid I say the ICQ plugin sucks? :D16:47
Skyscraperwith at least 40-50 mb rootfs-freespace16:47
infobotit has been said that ota is ssu16:48
pigeonag0ny: not sure if it's 1.2 or the new haze package, but the icq account plugin starts to not work properly since yesterday for me16:48
infobotssu is, like,
ag0nypigeon: I had lots of problems before already.16:48
apolwhat is that?16:48
pigeonag0ny: i noticed now the advanced settings sometimes comes up blank, and it also tends to lose its settings.16:49
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ag0nypigeon: It worked yesterday for a couple of hours and all of a sudden, it stopped working.16:49
ag0nypigeon: You are right my advanced tab is blank16:49
ag0nypigeon: What are you doing to get your settings again?16:49
ghostcubeapol: you can just use app manager to update16:49
TreibholzICQ sucks anyway and everywhere.16:49
pigeonag0ny: it was working before before yesterday16:49
ghostcubeicq is russian now :P16:50
pigeonag0ny: if you disable the account then advanced settings comes up sometimes16:50
Treibholzghostcube: yes, just like its SPAM16:50
apolghostcube: it asks me to connect my device to the computer to continue16:50
Nils^how do I clean up my rootfs again if uninstalling is not enough? maybe some trash or temp data? I did it once over ssh but forgot what to delete16:51
ghostcubeapol: to less rootfs space left16:51
ag0nypigeon: Going to try that16:51
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ghostcubeNils^: there is an script but i think this is not recommended16:51
pigeonag0ny: you might need to disable it, save it, get out, then go back to its settings16:51
trupheenixpigeon, are you sure?16:52
ag0nypigeon: hm...I deleted it :D16:52
pigeontrupheenix: about what?16:52
trupheenixpigeon, about video calls?16:52
Nils^rootfs                  233344    217428     11632  95% /16:52
ag0nypigeon: Happens if you click to fast :D16:52
trupheenixpigeon, what clients did u call to?16:52
Nils^deinstalling has no impact.16:52
apolghostcube: it's because I have to little disk space?16:52
ag0nypigeon: with half your attention16:52
pigeontrupheenix: yeah, i tried it with my wife16:52
trupheenixpigeon, was it between 2 N900s or was it to a PC?16:52
apolhow much do i need?16:52
pigeontrupheenix: skype on windows16:52
ghostcube40 - 50 mb :)16:52
pigeontrupheenix: pc16:52
n900-dk_I have a feeling of that my N900 is a little slower operating after PR1.2 upgrade - have any of you experienced the same?16:52
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trupheenixpigeon, i'm trying skype on Linux16:52
pigeoni only have one n900 ;)16:52
pigeoni could try that too i guess16:53
trupheenixpigeon, it's not working with skype linux16:53
ghostcubei tried skype on mac linux and windows16:53
pigeoni could try now16:53
ghostcubei cant get video calls to work16:53
trupheenixpigeon, ok try and tell us please16:53
hrwbug 10312 guys?16:53
povbot`Bug Video calls with Skype does not work16:53
ag0nyWhy can I see Extra protocol plugins with 0kb in the update manager?16:53
TheRealHotshotn900-dk mines feels a lil slower also16:53
n900-dk_It is anoying..16:53
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trupheenixpovbot`, ok i see wat ppl written16:54
povbot`trupheenix: Error: "ok" is not a valid command.16:54
ghostcubeok super idea to make an linux skype not working with any other client than windows 4.0.x16:55
ghostcubewouldnt it b more clever just to use an skype packag as an normal client app?16:55
ghostcubecause this works16:55
TheRealHotshotAnd I hate how when I click download an attachment in emails it don't say downloading it just goes to the pic on a blank page til the pic is downloaded16:55
pigeoni wish you could individually switch online/offline for different accounts on the n900, instead of all or none16:56
ruskiepigeon, erm???16:56
ruskiepigeon, you mean IM contacts?16:56
ruskieyou can16:56
ruskieerm accounts even16:56
pigeoni have to go and disable then in each account settings16:56
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ruskiehmm I wonder if there's a dbus signal that handles it16:57
jaskastrange, localedef with en_GB finishes in a few seconds, en_DK just pegs a core16:57
ruskiejaska, yeah had the same issue16:58
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trupheenixpigeon me is waiting for ur test results16:58
ag0nyCould someone check please if /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon file does exist?16:58
ruskiepigeon, try dbus-monitoring while enablening disableing accounts and so on16:59
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jaskaruskie: oh well, guess i have to change the definition file by trial and error until it works... or generate a fake en_DK from en_GB just changing the LC_TIME section :)16:59
ruskiejaska, if you manage it lemme know17:00
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viszn900 google video chat seems to be working17:01
viszjust tested it17:01
viszallthough it took almost a minute to establish the video feed17:01
trupheenixvisz, Google Video chat works even on the older N90017:01
viszoh, ok17:01
ZogGgoogle video chat is from gmail jabber?17:02
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viszoh that's jabber too?17:02
trupheenixvisz, it was skype which has been added recently17:02
pigeontrupheenix: ok, no, when i make video call to a linux client, it just becomes a voice call, even though the front camera on the n900 is enabled17:02
ZogGgmail chat is jabber17:02
trupheenixpigeon so it's confirmed17:02
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trupheenixpigeon, basically i think the latest Skype on Windoz is using H26417:02
Corsacpigeon: codecs incompatibilities17:02
ZogGpigeon same on windows if opponent doesn't have video17:02
pigeonit worked for me with windows skype though17:03
timeless_mbp17621 timeless  18   0 2264m 1.4g  532 R  0.2 82.7 791:59.28 genxref17:03
trupheenixpigeon,but the linux clients are not using H26417:03
ZogGnew feature — video chat \o/17:03
* timeless_mbp frowns17:03
timeless_mbpthat's probably not good17:03
pigeontrupheenix: ah, what is it using?17:03
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ruskieI would consider that the maemo one would be using it17:03
ruskiedoesn't nokia own some h.264 patents?17:04
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trupheenixpigeon, probably some propreitary stuff.17:04
ZogGruskie, Nokia owns you =)17:04
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* ruskie goes back to watching firstplay17:04
* ZogG is gonna so enjoy flashforward today17:05
ZogGblame you america for closing this show =)17:05
trupheenixZogG u could try VP8 u know17:05
trupheenixZogG or DIRAC17:05
ZogGtry on what?17:06
trupheenixZogG on N90017:06
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dotblankdoes the n900 have a digital compass?17:06
trupheenixdotblank, yes. aka GPS17:07
ruskiegps != compass17:07
luke-jrGPS only works as a compass when you're moving17:07
ruskieit requires movement to establish quasi orientation17:07
dotblank:( oh I thought there was not Dependant on gps17:07
dotblankthe QT mobility api's have support for compass readings17:08
Corsacn900 video client offers h264/h263 codecs17:08
dotblankjust wondering if the n900 supported that17:08
Corsacempathy on my debian box offers only theora17:08
pigeonweird, all of a sudden my "Memory Card" becomes "mmc-undefined-name"17:08
Corsacbasically you'd need gstreamer+ffmpeg with encoder+decoder support in h264 (which has patent issues)17:08
ruskiein the usa17:09
ag0nyWhat the difference between the program manager and apt-get? I see updates in apt-get which I don't see in the program manager and vice versa17:09
Corsacor you'd need theora support in maemo stack, which should be possible (since telepathy/farsight/ffmpeg/...) do support it17:09
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ruskieag0ny, program manager handles things differently17:09
Corsacbut possible doesn't mean easy17:09
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pigeonremoving the lid and put it back fixes it17:09
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ag0nyruskie: That means?17:10
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ruskieag0ny, HAM only shows whatever has a special field17:11
ruskiethe rest is generally silently installe through versioned dependencies17:11
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ZogGwhat is the difference beetween gps and digital compass?17:12
ruskieZogG, digital compass works like a normal compass17:12
ruskieit detects the earts magnetic field17:12
jaskaruskie: taking en_GB definition and replacing the LC_TIME section worked mostly17:13
ruskiea gps relies on it's location from timestamps from sateliets17:13
ruskiejaska, mostly?17:13
jaskadrwxr-xr-x 2 root root      160 2010-02-19 12:58 zh_TW17:13
jaskaatleast :)17:13
Khertan_atWorkHum ... question ... does someone have already use QAbstractKinecticScroller ... as i found it a bit too fast on n900 ... does there is a way to slow it ?17:13
Khertan_atWork(i scroll 8000 line of code in one gesture :) )17:14
jaskadont know if the osso-clock etc obey it17:14
jaskaor worldclock17:14
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jaskachanging /etc/osso-af-init/locale, rebooting and trying17:16
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ZogGruskie but why would i care how it works at least it works17:18
ruskieZogG, it doesn't17:18
ruskieZogG, hold still and try to get a compass orientation using gps17:18
ruskieit's not possible17:18
jaskaruskie: the gui apps seem to have their own definitions, atleast worldclock still uses disgusting dd/mm/yy :)17:18
ZogGi don't care when i stand i need it for movement17:19
ruskiehmm maybe timeless_mbp might be able to help there17:19
ZogGruskie, anyway gps doesn't work properly17:19
ruskieZogG, instructions... go south DO NOT go north, east or west... there's a big hole on those directions... so how can you figure it out now?17:19
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ZogGruskie if you move and gps now the direction the map can tell you where east or north17:21
ruskieand you fall down into a hole17:21
ZogGi can see it =)17:21
ruskiethink I can only rely on instruments17:21
ZogGnot blind =)17:21
jaskabottomless hole?17:21
ZogGjaska, so i can travel to australia ?17:21
jaskadepends on whereabouts you are now, most locations wont have australia on the other side :)17:22
timeless_mbpruskie: as jaska said, the ui apps use the language to pick the string formats17:22
timeless_mbpso you basically need to take a language, and change some bits17:22
ruskietimeless_mbp, can you point out where?17:22
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timeless_mbpthose are just some of them17:24
timeless_mbpthere are a couple of "special" ones in calendar17:25
trupheenixpigeon, i can confirm too that it works on Windows Skype client17:25
trupheenixpigeon, doesn't work on Linux and OSX17:25
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trupheenixpigeon, just tried it at my office17:25
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timeless_mbpruskie: the actual fault is posix17:25
threshwoah amarok for n90017:25
timeless_mbpposix really doesn't enable you to get this stuff remotely right17:25
timeless_mbp(the only platforms which get this right are OS X and Windows, and it isn't by using a posix api)17:26
ruskiehow should it?17:26
ruskielast I checeked windows regional settings were a horror17:26
timeless_mbplocale preferences are not things which should be controlled by environment variables17:26
Treibholzthresh: yeah! gimme some more bloat!17:26
timeless_mbpthey're live preferences17:27
timeless_mbpa user should be able to say "I want to switch my date format *NOW*"17:27
timeless_mbpnot "Oh, darn, i better reboot"17:27
ruskieno don't need to reboot... just restart the apps17:27
timeless_mbpruskie: hint: restarting the entire system = reboot17:27
jaskai rebooted just because i didnt know what all to restart by hand17:27
timeless_mbpin maemo, all apps are forks of maemo-launcher17:27
ZogG<thresh> woah amarok for n900 say what?17:27
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timeless_mbpwhich means that if you don't restart maemo-launcher, you haven't made any progress17:28
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timeless_mbpand by the time you've restarted all the apps, you've rebooted17:28
timeless_mbpso again, the problem is roughly speaking, posix17:28
Dassuis there an easy way to keep the wifi connection running while starting the mobile data link?17:28
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ruskieI still prefer the posix way17:28
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timeless_mbpfor providing an insane suggestion for how to get things to "work"17:28
timeless_mbpruskie: the posix way doesn't work17:28
ruskieit works17:28
ruskienot just how people are used to it17:28
timeless_mbpruskie: i've looked into it17:29
ag0nyruskie: Thanks for the apt/HAM explanation17:29
timeless_mbpit doesn't work17:29
timeless_mbpand something which requires a user to *learn* a whole system17:29
ruskiemaybe I'm missing something... but how can I launch an app on windows in a particular locale?17:29
timeless_mbpand then read 35 books doesn't a "working" system make17:29
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Treibholzruskie: lool17:29
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ruskienever figured that bit out17:29
Treibholzruskie: Windows doesn't have locales.17:29
timeless_mbpruskie: you create a user w/ the locale settings you want, log in w/ the user you created, and run the app17:30
timeless_mbpruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a lcoale17:30
infobottimeless_mbp meant: ruskie: but normally you don't want to run *one* app in a locale17:30
ruskietimeless_mbp, and you're saying LANG=whatever app is a not working system?17:30
ruskiebut I do17:30
timeless_mbpyou typically want to run *all* apps in a locale17:30
ruskieI often run an app or two in a different locale17:30
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ruskiefor whatever reason17:30
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sECuREbecause the locaziation sucks in some apps, for example17:31
timeless_mbpon osx you just specify the preferred language order (n.b. LANG != LOCALE)17:31
ruskieeither I need the right output language wise, the right formating for date/time, the right collation etc... etc... etc...17:31
sECuREor because some have bugs in your default locale17:31
ruskieso many reasons17:31
timeless_mbpsECuRE: lemme get this straight17:31
timeless_mbpyou want to screw normal users17:31
timeless_mbpbecause there are sucky programs out there17:31
jaskatakes some fiddling, i need english for language, iso8601 for date/time, and finnish for collation :)17:31
timeless_mbpwhich you want to work around?17:31
ruskiejaska, will you post a guide?17:32
timeless_mbpwhy not take your "open source programs" and *fix* them?17:32
ruskiejaska, I have something similar I think17:32
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timeless_mbpif you're so proud of open source17:32
sECuREwhat’s this discussion about? (sorry, didn’t follow the whole)17:32
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ruskiesECuRE, that posix locale settings is a not working system17:32
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sECuREi disagree. it works fine for me ;)17:32
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ruskietimeless_mbp, LANG is respected for locales17:32
timeless_mbpsECuRE: how using env vars is not a working system for *end users* with regional references17:32
timeless_mbpruskie: again17:32
timeless_mbpthe baseline in maemo is that you pick a LANG and it forces a regional setting17:33
ruskiejaska, I basically need time es_DX and messages en_GB17:33
ruskiejaska, ugh... en_DK17:33
ruskiecan't type17:33
ruskiethe rest should be set to sl_SI ;)17:33
timeless_mbpbecause the maemo team couldn't get what they wanted from distinct LANG/REGION17:33
sECuREi have english messages and german date/$foo on maemo, it works fine17:33
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timeless_mbpsECuRE: doubtful17:33
sECuREwhy? what doesn’t work?17:33
jaskaruskie: well, i guess those progs use LC_MESSAGES to get their date formats?17:34
sECuREhopefully they don’t17:34
Smokihey guys,... anybody know a possibility for dual-boot meego and maemo5 PR 1.2 ?!17:34
timeless_mbpsECuRE: you're relying on one of en-GB or en-US to give you date formats which coincide to the german date formats you expect17:34
StskeepsSmoki: flasher -l -b -k vmlinuz17:34
timeless_mbpsECuRE: play around a bit with file manager or clock or things17:34
ruskiejaska, well that bit isn't really all that important since the rest of the device respects it17:34
timeless_mbpswap between lang=en-us and lang=en-gb while keeping region=german17:34
ruskiejaska, but definately interested in your locale hacking17:34
timeless_mbpsECuRE: you'll find that it's really the lang that's controlling date formats in maemo17:35
sECuREhm, LC_TIME=en_US, indeed. that sucks17:35
jaskaoh, i have the en_DK localedef file that i fiddled from en_GB that worked with sbox localedef program17:35
sECuREand definitely it is a bug17:35
jaskaruskie: you want that? :)17:35
timeless_mbpsECuRE: it's a feature17:35
timeless_mbpsECuRE: not a feature i agree w/17:35
timeless_mbpjust a feature17:35
ruskiejaska, yes... I like LC_TIME set to en_DK17:36
timeless_mbpsECuRE: i've spent more time working on localization @maemo than anyone paid to work on it17:36
sECuREno, not being able to select language separately from date/time is a bug, IMO17:36
ruskieand I'm planing on figuring out where those strings that timeless_mbp said are...17:36
timeless_mbpand i've complained about this behavior17:36
timeless_mbpand they insist that it's a specified feature17:36
ruskiesECuRE, file a bug about it17:36
timeless_mbpand they do have a specification that says to do it this way17:36
sECuREruskie: will do, if there is none yet17:36
timeless_mbpruskie / sECuRE: please don't waste your time filing a bug17:36
timeless_mbpi already filed a bug!17:36
timeless_mbpi'm explaining to you what was explained to me17:37
timeless_mbpnot because i agree w/ all of it17:37
sECuREgot the URL?17:37 ?17:37
timeless_mbpi've filed <1000 bugs there17:37
timeless_mbpit can't be too hard to find :)17:37
sECuREof your *specific* bugreport17:37
timeless_mbpit's probably in that list17:38
timeless_mbpmaybe that one17:38
jaskanow to find a pastebin that supports upload17:38
* timeless_mbp sighs17:38
timeless_mbpsearching for "time" in my buglist fails :)17:38
jaskaprobably :)17:38
ruskiejaska, just make a wiki page about it ;)17:38
ruskieor a tmo post17:39
* timeless_mbp cries17:39
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timeless_mbpthe bug was filed by me internally17:40
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ruskieso it's not on bugs.maemo... so maybe a push from there might be a good idea as well17:41
ruskieit's one thing when a dev considers something a bug and when a user does17:41
ruskiethings atleast in my experience tend to get treated differently17:42
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ruskiesECuRE, so might be a good idea for that bug17:43
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wazdStskeeps: pong? :)17:44
Stskeepswazd: pong17:44
sECuREruskie: well, there seem to be some reports already17:44
wazdStskeeps: heya :)17:44
jaskaguess garage account creation mails take some time, ive mostly lurked thus far (for the past few years)17:44
wazdStskeeps: just wanted to ask if you know where to get PR 1.2 theme template :)17:44
Stskeepswazd: hmm, i thought i already updated for it17:44
wazdStskeeps: it says that package is still processing17:45
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Stskeepswazd: should be in the same place we picked up the original template17:45
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Stskeepsdid it change17:45
X-FadeThere also is a something new with shading in chats?17:45
wazdStskeeps: The archive is currently being generated, try again later17:45
Stskeepswazd: ah17:46
X-FadeAt least somebody has submitted a theme for that in extras-devel.17:46
Stskeepswazd: url?17:46
ruskietimeless_mbp, so in other words stick it where the sun don't shine and stop bugging us... we're trying to sleep17:46
timeless_mbpruskie: i'm comment 017:46
timeless_mbpbut basically, yes17:46
timeless_mbpruskie: i'm not saying i absolutely agree w/ their behavior17:46
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timeless_mbphowever, having seen how things are done17:46
timeless_mbpthey're not entirely wrong17:46
timeless_mbpand posix really doesn't make it easy to do what they want17:47
ruskietimeless_mbp, the only difference is that in windows you can modify settings to a point here you can't17:47
timeless_mbp(they should have just removed all regional stuff and managed everything using custom data like windows/osx)17:47
X-Fadewazd: Conversation chat view can be themed now too, it seems.17:47
timeless_mbpruskie: exactly, windows is less broken because it's a user controlled thing17:47
Stskeepswazd: it should be the most recent one i have access to17:47
timeless_mbpamusingly, we're trying to fill in a date field in harmattan right now17:48
wazdX-Fade: oh, that's cool17:48
ruskiehopefully meego will work as expected17:48
timeless_mbpand my colleague just asked to see a *ucking manual for help about how to fill in a date field :)17:48
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ruskieuse iso standard date format ;)17:48
jaskai wish countries stopped being jerks and just used yyyy-mm-dd :)17:49
timeless_mbpruskie: we're trying 2010-05-2817:49
timeless_mbpit's giving us 2010-00-0017:49
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ruskiejaska, also HH:MM:SS ;)17:50
* timeless_mbp thinks he just crashed it17:50
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Corsactimeless_mbp: are you leaking the fact that harmattan will have a date field?17:51
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timeless_mbpCorsac: this thing looks like a sample application17:51
timeless_mbpso i'm hoping it won't ship :)17:51
MohammadAGstuck at the barrier17:52
Corsacdoes this mean harmattan won't have any date field!17:52
MohammadAGZogG, help? :P17:52
Corsac!!!! BREAKING NEWS!17:52
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* frals throws a whale at MohammadAG17:53
ZogGMohammadAG barrier at jerusalem?17:53
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timeless_mbpCorsac: i'm definitely not promising a working date field!17:55
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timeless_mbpyou won't ever catch me making such a promise!17:55
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redI'm gonna flash my device with the latest update, is that easy? :P17:55
redwant to reset the damn thing altogether17:56
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SpeedEviltimeless: Do you promise to be nice?17:57
povbot`Bug 2368: -, timeless isn't nice17:57
timeless_mbpdoes the face look nice? -,17:58
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MohammadAGZogG, Ramallah xD18:00
ZogGMohammadAG srsly?18:00
MohammadAGZogG, yeah, went back18:00
ZogGMohammadAG, it's dangerous there =)18:00
ZogGwhat have you forgot there?18:00
ZogGanyway i'm going to sleep =)18:01
MohammadAGZogG, not for a terrorist (oops?)18:01
ZogGMohammadAG, bring me some hash from there )))18:01
MohammadAGZogG, nothing, i'm 16 and apparently can't pass18:01
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ZogGi'm going to sleep for an hour18:02
MohammadAGZogG, where do you serve?18:02
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Khertan_atWorksomeone maybe can say me what is the name or the class of the small throbber show in the window title in qt ?18:06
jaskaruskie: hopefully the wiki formatting avoidance didnt break the format :)18:07
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redcant download the firmwarve from
redsays my product id is not valid -.-18:09
Corsacare you sure you give the correct one?18:09
redwell the exact same line thats in the image18:09
redtriple checked its correct too18:09
Khertan_atWorkpre production version ?.18:10
redi think not18:10
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TigerTaelWhere is your phone from?18:10
redKorea, bought in Finland18:10
redgot friends imei code and it worked meh18:11
redshould I use Global release? :P18:11
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Nils^it seems my n900 keeps rebooting over and over18:14
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Nils^not it seems it does18:14
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GAN900red, yes.18:15
Nils^I come to the "NOKIA" display, then a quick vibrate it it turns off again18:15
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johnsu01Nils^: that seems to have happened to a fair number of people after the update18:16
johnsu01(including me)18:16
Nils^i don't even know if the update is complete. I was in the process of freeing space on rootfs18:16
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MohammadAGany Nokias in here?18:17
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johnsu01Nils^: I ended up just flashing, it worked fine after that18:17
tank-manNils^, I recently found my n800 doing the same sometimes, reboots at around 4 or 5 am18:17
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Nils^johnsu01: so its not bricked yet? :)18:17
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Hariainmhello! can anybody answer me a question? flashing my N900 keep my contacts and messages, but it will erase the call log?18:18
johnsu01Nils^: well... not in a way that can't be fixed by flashing :)18:18
Nils^johnsu01: ok, I have to find the right wiki site for flashing now18:19
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TreibholzHariainm: do a backup!18:19
DrGrovGood day and good day evening girls and guys18:19
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johnsu01Nils^: and
HariainmTreibholz: i will do, but i just wanna be sure about it18:20
Hariainmdont want to reset my call log, and dont know if a backup can restore it18:21
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johnsu01 Hariainm: my log was still present after backup => flash => restore18:21
Hariainmok, thanks!18:21
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Nils^Flashing will keep my memory card / home folder intact, right? my backup file is still on the phone18:22
johnsu01Nils^: yes, just don't do the emmc flash18:22
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Nils^johnsu01: only fiasco, right18:23
johnsu01Nils^: yeah18:23
Nils^RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 161787293 OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11 Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N90018:23
Nils^Global Release for Germany.18:24
lcukNils^, thats the old release18:24
lcuknote the 200918:24
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Nils^Latest or third then18:25
Nils^ah wait18:25
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Nils^RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global  release for Nokia N90018:25
ceescoany chance that maemo can handle running autossh?18:25
redAfter flashing the device18:25
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redhow long should the NOKIA logo with white background be visible?18:25
redthe flasher exited successfully to command prompt a couple minutes ago18:26
RST38bismeans you bricked it18:26
* RST38bis laughs satanically18:26
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redRST38bis: really? :P18:27
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SpeedEvilIt can be longer if battery is dead18:27
redit was quite low ye18:27
SpeedEvilunplug cable, unplug battery18:27
redit was quite low yeokay18:27
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SpeedEvilplug in battery, plug in charger18:27
SpeedEvilleave till it boots on its own18:27
redunplugged cable and it begun booting18:27
redguess it was mounted on my ubuntu still so couldnt access some files or something18:28
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SpeedEvilubuntu is magic!18:28
SpeedEvilWhen it comes to phones.18:28
redI love ubuntu for quite many things, and hate it for some18:28
redbut when weighing between windows 7 and it, the choice is quite clear :P18:28
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CorsacSpeedEvil: bwarf18:31
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Nils^is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global  release for Nokia N90018:31
Nils^the right image=?18:31
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timeless_mbpso um18:32
timeless_mbpopenid rocks :)18:32
mgedminyes it does18:32
RST38bismoo mgedmin18:32
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maemouserhello extended call log refuses to work with pr1.2, is there anything that i can do with that? and is that known?18:34
mc_teoi have 63mb free in my rootfs18:34
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mc_teowhy cant i update OTA?18:34
SpeedEvilmaemouser: Submit a bug against it.18:34
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SpeedEviloh dear.18:36
maemouserspeedevil: i can but i wanted to be sure that i am not the only person having that issue18:36
SpeedEvilSee if there is an existing reported bug18:36
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mgedminmaemouser, could be
mgedminI don't even know what "extended call log" is18:37
mgedminmc_teo, does it tell you there's not enough free space?18:37
SpeedEvilwoo - long URL is long.18:37
SpeedEvilTo search for extended call log bugs18:37
SpeedEvilOf which there are none.18:37
viszdidn't get meego to boot18:38
maemouserit's an app which extends call logs keeping them in a db or file18:38
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maemouserimho a useful app18:38
viszmayhaps the sd wasn't correctly dd:t18:38
* n900-dk_ is still missing changelogs when upgrading apps..18:39
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mc_teomgedmin: no, just i go app manager -> update -> maemo blah18:39
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Nils^ah, my contacts are still there after flashing. what a luck18:39
mgedminmc_teo, and... ?18:39
mc_teomgedmin: and then it want me to backup, and update with NSU18:39
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Nils^Maemo 5 Version:10.2010.19-1   Is this the latest version?18:40
mgedminmc_teo, there are reasons why it won't let you upgrade directly, see
maemouserso if there is no bug reported before i am still suspicious if its only me or not18:41
RST38bisit is not only you18:41
luke-jrmaemouser: that's what the last guy said when he refused to report it18:41
luke-jrand the guy before him18:41
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maemouserluke-jr: hehehehe you made me laugh bro that was a good one :)18:42
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lcukhow does AutoFocus work?18:42
lcukon a camera in general18:42
* luke-jr needs to clear his clipboard after copying private URIs to Nokia/TI IP :/18:42
maemouseron xchat how can i reply to someone with a shortcut sorry for my noobness :)18:43
luke-jrI almost pasted it on my last sentence :x18:43
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lcukluke-jr, i thought you didnt touch anything private at all18:43
lcuklet alone URIs18:44
maemouserbtw pr1.2 seems really faster in browsing, i am happy18:44
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mc_teoi have version 3.2010.02-8, did i miss pr1.1?18:44
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luke-jrlcuk: it's not source code, just gpsdriver w/ debug symbols so I can give sts a useful backtrace and such18:44
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frajerany of you boys using xchat on your N900s ?18:45
luke-jrfrajer: GAN900 is I think18:45
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maemouserRST38bis: thank you very much for the feedback bro, i dont feel alone anymore18:46
frajernice app just wish it had kinetic scrolling18:46
maemouserhere noob xchat user18:46
maemouserwho wants to know how to reply to some quicker in channel18:46
waowii frajer18:47
l0uptype faster18:47
Chikuwhat does OTA mean?18:47
frajerOver The Air18:48
maemouserwhat does red line mean in xchat18:48
Chikuwifi ?18:48
SpeedEvilmaemouser: markerline18:48
frajerwifi or 3g/edge18:48
SpeedEvilmaemouser: It's a reminder of what point you were up to when the window was last exposed.18:48
TreibholzCTRL-I helps18:48
SpeedEvilwhen the channel was last exposed.18:49
maemouserany significant meaning or just seperator18:49
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TreibholzCTRL-I is the equivalent to TAB18:49
frajerwhat's ctri-i ?18:49
SpeedEvilalso - #xchat18:49
andre__frajer: a shortcut.18:49
SpeedEvilAlso - I like binding autocomplete to shift-rightarrow.18:49
SpeedEvilWorks for me.18:49
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maemouserctrl i doubles xchat windows weird18:50
maemouserseperates status and maemo window18:51
mgedminI think it means "detach tab"18:51
Shapeshifterruskie: you're awesome. urxvt runs perfectly. I added a 30px bar on the left for scrolling, still thinking about a better solution, and I need to find some hotkey for ESC. other than that, it's brilliant. And it even is composited o.O with 32bit color depth, you can set real transparency.18:51
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frajerhow to make the input box smaller in xchat? it's taking too much space18:52
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E0xurxvt on n900 ?18:53
jaskai removed scroll indicator from my osso-xterm and added the old no border patch to get 80x25 with a larger font18:53
ShapeshifterE0x: yes18:53
ShapeshifterE0x: ruskie has it in his opt repo18:54
maemouserwhats the shortcut of auto nick completion in xchat for replying someone18:54
E0xxterminal is fine for me by now18:54
jaskaprobably tab, try ctrl-i?18:54
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GAN900Treibholz, you can also rebind18:54
TreibholzE0x: just out of curiosity: why do you want urxvt instead of osso-term?18:54
GAN900fn-right arrow for tab here.18:54
maemouserctrl i detaches current window from xchat18:54
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jaskaok, ill shut up then, never used it :)18:55
mgedminso, skype video call, n900 -> laptop: I can see myself; I can't see the other person; the other person cannot see me -> utter fail18:55
ShapeshifterTreibholz: I'm the one, not E0x18:55
maemouserthanks are you an irssi guy ? or connecting via pc18:55
mgedminat least _sound_ works18:55
TreibholzShapeshifter: oh, ok.18:55
TreibholzShapeshifter: so: why?18:55
ShapeshifterTreibholz: well for once I want to be able to costumize it properly, using .Xdefaults18:55
DocScrutinizerfrajer: recompile :-/18:55
ShapeshifterTreibholz: it also seems to be faster18:56
DocScrutinizerfrajer: pass me the binary if you're finished18:56
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jaskamaemouser: screen on another linux box running irssi18:56
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frajerbtw tried skype video between n900 and pc - works like a charm!18:57
TreibholzShapeshifter: ok, I never needed a faster terminal on the N900. I would prefer to have the touch-stuff.18:57
mc_teomgedmin: "n900-fmrx-enabler" would upgrading this work?18:57
maemouserjaska: does screen have any good in maemo18:57
mgedminmc_teo, I don't know18:57
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maemouserdo i need to install skype client externally to use skype video call18:58
mgedminmc_teo, you have two options: simple brute-force (reflash) and hacky debugging (figure out why it won't let you upgrade, fix that)18:58
jaskamaemouser: havent used it on the device itself, just run it on another box and ssh in18:58
slonopotamusis it only me or you can't write lowercase letter after <dot followed by space> in conversations?18:58
slonopotamusin pr1.w18:58
SpeedEvilIt's being smart18:59
mgedminNokia: Improving your grammar and punctuation.18:59
SpeedEvilTurn off 'auto capitilasation'18:59
SpeedEvilin input settings.18:59
TreibholzShapeshifter: in fact I don't really "use" the terminal. It's more helper here and not a central application like on the Desktop.18:59
maemouserjaska i see thanks bro18:59
slonopotamusSpeedEvil: i always had it enabled18:59
slonopotamusSpeedEvil: but pressing shift made following letter lowercase. before pr1.218:59
ShapeshifterTreibholz: I use it a lot18:59
frajerslonopotamus: I have the exact same issue18:59
ShapeshifterTreibholz: on the desktop as well ;)18:59
SpeedEvilslonopotamus: File a bug19:00
TreibholzShapeshifter: % ps ax | grep x-terminal-emulator | wc -l19:00
SpeedEvilslonopotamus: The users intent is clear when they explicityly press shift19:00
slonopotamusfrajer: reported a bug already? i'd confirm/vote19:00
maemousernoob question: couldn't finding skype client in app manager what may i do19:00
mgedminSpeedEvil, is it?19:00
frajerslonopotamus: not yet19:00
mgedminI press shift when I want an uppercase letter19:00
SpeedEvilmgedmin: I'd think so - if autocapitalise is on.19:00
SpeedEvilmgedmin: you want the opposite of what autocap would normally do19:01
mgedminif autocapitalization is on and shift makes the letter lowercase when I expect uppercase, I get angry and turn off autocapitalization19:01
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ShapeshifterTreibholz: well then. btw, you don't need the |wc -l, grep -c does the same ;)19:01
SpeedEvilFair enough.19:01
TreibholzShapeshifter: I would prefer to use urxvtd, but it crashes to often.19:01
mgedminI don't know what the best solution here is19:01
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SpeedEvilmgedmin: More options.19:01
SpeedEvilBut that is clearly making UI people heads explode.19:01
SpeedEvilAs users aren't supposed to want options.19:02
SpeedEvilAll users are the same.19:02
ShapeshifterTreibholz: on the desktop?19:02
TreibholzShapeshifter: yes.19:02
mgedminmost users hate options19:02
SpeedEvilAnd all users find the same things obvuious.19:02
ShapeshifterTreibholz: odd. I've been using it for 4 years without problems19:02
mgedminand they hate strawmen too19:02
* SpeedEvil ponders working out how to revert the keyboard.19:02
TreibholzShapeshifter: sometimes t consumes 100% CPU, without doing anything...19:03
mgedminincidentally, about the new PR 1.2 virtual keyboard -- what did it do to custom user-defined keyboard layouts?19:03
TreibholzShapeshifter: then I have to kill it and all terminals are gone...19:03
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mgedminuxkeyboard or what was that thing called?19:03
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slonopotamusmgedmin: that's irrelevant. it's a loss of functionality (having able to override autocapitalization in particular case)19:03
ShapeshifterTreibholz: 9.07-1 on 32bit, here.19:03
slonopotamus(the funny thing is that autocapitalization doesn't work in xchat at all)19:04
TreibholzShapeshifter: so on machines with enough RAM, I use urxvt instead of urxvtd19:04
mgedminslonopotamus, being unable to type a lowercase letter is a bug, definitely19:04
frajerfunny how people waited for 1.2 as if it was the second coming of Christ19:04
TreibholzShapeshifter: v9.05 (Debian stable)19:04
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fralsits already fixed19:05
fralssec and ill give you the git url19:05
mc_teoim afraid to reflash in case i break something19:05
slonopotamusand STILL no < turned up (caret?) in russian layout19:05
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RST38hheh, text selection in modest email view is still impossible :)19:05
mgedminautocapitalization doesn't appear to work in xterm at all either19:05
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fralsslonopotamus: check commit log at
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RST38hI mean, it took them 6 months to add it, and it is still broken. Another 6 months, I guess...19:06
fralsRST38h: hold shift -> profit?19:06
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RST38hfrals: Oh, no, not that simple19:06
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RST38hfrals: see last comments to bug #503319:07
povbot`Bug Select/Copy text within email is nonintuitive/broken19:07
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fralsdoh :)19:08
mgedmingrrr hate how the VKB swaps newlines with actual text19:08
mgedminopen VKB in Notes with a line of text, go to the end of the field, press (virtual) enter and type another line of text below the first one19:08
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puphomeupstromp der kootenleiben19:09
mgedminyou end up with an empty line, followed by the new text and the old text following the new one, without any whitespace19:09
mgedmintotal borkness19:09
slonopotamusfrajer: bug 1039119:09
povbot`Bug [REGRESSION] no longer possible to override autocapitalization19:09
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frajerslonopotamus: thanks. I see now19:10
frajercan't believe they screwed up autocapitalization :-(19:11
RST38h10000+ bugs!19:11
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RST38hslono: + still no switch to ru layout on Ctrl+Space.19:11
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slonopotamusfrajer: they screwed up stupid text selection in mail :)19:12
* slonopotamus isn't sure pr1.2 gives him any advantages over pr1.119:12
mgedminthen again maybe it's different from bug 875019:13
povbot`Bug wrong 'enter' behavior with onscreen keyboard and x terminal19:13
mgedminthis is confusing19:13
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slonopotamus_RST38h: it always switched for me19:15
slonopotamus_RST38h: how you broke ctrl+space?19:15
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