strohi | hm | 00:00 |
josephnexus | at least that's what mine did | 00:00 |
joga | yeah | 00:00 |
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marex | Enter PIN | 00:00 |
marex | ... | 00:00 |
marex | invitation ... wtf | 00:01 |
joga | invitation? | 00:01 |
xorAxAx | ruskie: so what do i need to modify in my scripts for 1.2? | 00:01 |
marex | dunno ... there were two buttons | 00:01 |
dmj726 | is there a 64 bit version of flasher? | 00:01 |
marex | Term and whatever (didn't read that far) and Continue | 00:01 |
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marex | *Terms of use maybe | 00:01 |
joga | I don't recall such | 00:01 |
joga | but might have been there | 00:01 |
joga | heh, no one reads those ;P | 00:02 |
marex | this is europe ... free continent :b | 00:02 |
lcuk | xorAxAx, what kinds of scripts | 00:02 |
joga | like ads on the internet...even if you don't have adblock, your brain skips them | 00:02 |
xorAxAx | lcuk: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie | 00:02 |
marex | MAEMO 5 ... 10.2010.19-1 | 00:02 |
ruskie | marex, there is some thing called My Nokia in settings now | 00:02 |
marex | over dist-upgrade :) | 00:02 |
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xorAxAx | ruskie: do the old sed commands work? | 00:03 |
pupnik_ | is there any saving script for us dist-upgraders? | 00:03 |
ruskie | xorAxAx, no scripts changed | 00:03 |
marex | ruskie, what's that for ... worthless | 00:03 |
ruskie | marex, no clue... some sms service or something | 00:03 |
xorAxAx | ruskie: hmm? the update doesnt revert the scripts? | 00:03 |
xorAxAx | ruskie: then why did it get you stuck in a loop | 00:03 |
joga | "When you have registered to My Nokia, free tips and support will be sent regularly via SMS to your Nokia." ... lol, if I was really lonely I might even subscribe to that | 00:03 |
ruskie | xorAxAx, no clue | 00:03 |
marex | ruskie, the description says "I'm useless, you don't want to use me" ... ok | 00:04 |
ruskie | joga, hmm it's saying I'm subscribed but I'm 100% sure I never subscribed | 00:04 |
* xorAxAx found the reason for the OTA problems: "apt-get dist-upgrade" may not remove a single package, otherwise HAM bails out | 00:04 |
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xorAxAx | ruskie: so i can update to pr 1.2 and dont need to run anything afterwards? | 00:04 |
josephnexus | is there a changelog for 1.2? | 00:04 |
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joga | ruskie: seems gray for me too, and unsubscribe seems selectable | 00:05 |
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xorAxAx | josephnexus: yes, in the wiki | 00:05 |
xorAxAx | josephnexus: see RC | 00:05 |
* joga presses unsubscribe | 00:05 |
joga | it's still the same | 00:05 |
MohammadAG_ | Gotta run peeops | 00:05 |
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MohammadAG_ | -o | 00:05 |
MohammadAG_ | Night #maemo | 00:05 |
josephnexus | see ya | 00:05 |
Dr_Cain | so uh, update OTA or via cable? | 00:05 |
* MohammadAG_ slaps noobmonk3y and throws him at frals | 00:05 |
joga | LOL now I got an SMS "Attempt to unsubscribe has failed. Go to 'My Nokia' in Settings to try again. Visit www. blalbalbbal" | 00:05 |
Dr_Cain | it's telling me I need to plug it in and run through nokia software update | 00:05 |
joga | go nokia :) | 00:05 |
lcuk | gnite MohammadAG_ | 00:05 |
frals | nn MohammadAG_ | 00:05 |
MohammadAG_ | joga, I couldn't unsubscribe too | 00:06 |
dmj726 | xorAxAx: What was making it bail? | 00:06 |
joga | maybe they just highlighted the wrong buttons | 00:06 |
MohammadAG_ | joga, you paid to see that message btw ;) | 00:06 |
joga | ;p | 00:06 |
xorAxAx | unsubscribe from what? | 00:06 |
marex | ruskie, well thanks for the support ... time to fight OE again :-( | 00:06 |
joga | MohammadAG_! | 00:06 |
MohammadAG_ | Night lcuk, night frals | 00:06 |
xorAxAx | dmj726: libqt4-qt3support | 00:06 |
joga | an outrage! :-p | 00:06 |
MohammadAG_ | yes you paid for it | 00:06 |
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dmj726 | xorAxAx: is anything using that? | 00:06 |
xorAxAx | dmj726: nope | 00:06 |
joga | xorAxAx: from the my nokia thing | 00:06 |
lcuk | xorAxAx, rcs late was modified | 00:07 |
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lcuk | opt is a mountbind now | 00:07 |
xorAxAx | lcuk: ah | 00:07 |
xorAxAx | hmm, OTA failed for me | 00:08 |
dmj726 | so that wasn't it? | 00:08 |
lcuk | well you have done some pretty invasive mods | 00:08 |
xorAxAx | well, it said "failed" in the middle of processing | 00:08 |
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joga | xorAxAx: did it keep going or stop? | 00:09 |
xorAxAx | it stopped working and rebootet | 00:09 |
joga | k :( | 00:09 |
xorAxAx | s/t$/d/ | 00:09 |
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dougt_ | is thumb supported in the 1.2 rom? I have looked at two device (cat /proc/cpuinfo) and do not see thumb listed as a feature. But I do have one person saying that it was supported in the 1.1 ROM. | 00:09 |
joga | if you have shortcutd running and press the cam key while it's updating you probably get "Operation failed" notification at some point but it doesn't matter | 00:09 |
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joga | dougt_: thumb? | 00:10 |
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frals | bah! | 00:10 |
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Shapeshifter | Today I walked past the guy who wrote vim | 00:11 |
Shapeshifter | Didn't get the chance to shake hands... | 00:12 |
spinningcompass | Shapeshifter: You forgot the key combo, right? :) !shake: (switch to entry mode) $$$shake. | 00:13 |
dmj726 | where do I get the image to flash my n900 with | 00:13 |
marex | joga, arm has two instruction sets ever since like v4 | 00:13 |
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dmj726 | I do not want to delete everything, just get pr1.2 | 00:13 |
marex | joga, and those two can interwork | 00:13 |
Shapeshifter | spinningcompass: :P | 00:13 |
slonopotamus | dougt_: thumb is supported by cpu. it has nothing to do with firmware | 00:13 |
joga | marex, oh, ok, I don't know the arm architecture all that well | 00:14 |
Aranel | slonopotamus: now I got 53.8 but It says I should use NSU. Do you know why? | 00:14 |
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DocScrutinizer | see /topic | 00:15 |
GAN900 | Aranel, that warning is because it has conflicting packages that it doesn't know how to deal with. | 00:16 |
GAN900 | Aranel, so check with apt. | 00:16 |
DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F | 00:17 |
DocScrutinizer | RTFW | 00:18 |
Aranel | already. thanks for the link :) | 00:18 |
GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lol | 00:18 |
dmj726 | where are the firmware images | 00:18 |
joga | btw, do you guys have weird behavior when entering tilde? like you need to press it twice | 00:18 |
joga | the other keys like [ need only one click (haven't tried them all) | 00:19 |
lcuk | Aranel, im just finishing PR2.0 | 00:19 |
joga | oh and this is a finnish layout | 00:19 |
Shapeshifter | joga: that's not weird, that's normal | 00:19 |
joga | oh, I see | 00:19 |
Shapeshifter | joga: it's a deadkey for õñã etc. | 00:19 |
joga | so you can ã? | 00:19 |
joga | yup | 00:19 |
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Aranel | lcuk: lol, but I have the enough space now. This isnt fair. :P | 00:20 |
Shapeshifter | joga: same with ^ | 00:20 |
lcuk | i tried to tell you | 00:20 |
lcuk | all the faffing and removing and mucking around isnt good for anything | 00:20 |
* Shapeshifter is thinking about writing a better mail client | 00:20 |
lcuk | if you are spending hours trying to find the space requirement you are easier backing up and cleanly flashing and restoring | 00:20 |
marex | slonopotamus, careful, you need userland that supports interworking ! | 00:21 |
lcuk | Aranel, what happens if you try using command line and apt-get to perform the update | 00:21 |
lcuk | does that actually tell you why its not possible (cant remember) | 00:21 |
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SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: pine | 00:22 |
Aranel | lcuk: now I tried, it says "need to get 121MB of archives. After this operation, 21.1MB of additional disk space will be used. E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives" | 00:23 |
TheFaioli | newbie question: to start writing an application for maemo, is it best to use the GNU build system or the Qt Creator? | 00:23 |
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lcuk | doh yeah i forgot about that, ham uses a different place for it atm, ok nm | 00:23 |
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Aranel | lcuk: so now what, 53M is not enough for it? It wants more? | 00:24 |
lcuk | TheFaioli, it depends on what you want to achieve | 00:24 |
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Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: huh. pine is very old | 00:24 |
lcuk | Aranel, it is conflicted did you read the message and page docs linked | 00:24 |
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dmj726 | what url is the nokia pr1.2 update located at | 00:25 |
Aranel | lcuk: yes I did and it was noted under "Not Enough Free Space" with a link to "free up rootfs space" | 00:25 |
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Shapeshifter | dmj726: www.google.com | 00:25 |
TomaszD | dmj726, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 00:25 |
Shapeshifter | dmj726: or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 00:25 |
Dr_Cain | how much rootfs do you need? | 00:25 |
Dr_Cain | I have 42 MB now, is that enough? | 00:25 |
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TheFaioli | lcuk: I am not sure I follow. What is the advantage of one over the other? Let's say I want to write a client to sync my contacts a web service. | 00:25 |
chadi | !seen noobmonk3y | 00:25 |
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lcuk | TheFaioli, well if its a gui app its recommended you use qt to start. but you will have to check if you have all the qt classes to access what you need | 00:26 |
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DrGrov | Hi guys and girls | 00:26 |
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TheFaioli | lcuk: So as a rule, Qt is better for GUI (and beginners?) and GNU is better for c dev like libs and such? (very rough rule of thumb) | 00:28 |
dmj726 | the emmc image is gereally unnecesay right? | 00:28 |
Arkenoi | qt sucks today | 00:28 |
TomaszD | it is essential for PR1.2 dmj726 | 00:28 |
simoneb_ | seems like updating to 1.2 broke something on my n900... it boots, but every letter is displayed as a small square, it lacks some themes, etc | 00:28 |
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dmj726 | ah | 00:29 |
Arkenoi | if it takes 3-5 seconds for application to launch it is showstopper | 00:29 |
Dr_Cain | apt-get clean freed up some rootfs space | 00:29 |
lcuk | TheFaioli, comparing Qt to GNU is not the same | 00:29 |
Arkenoi | i hoped pr1.2 will change that as qt was expected to be preloaded | 00:29 |
Dr_Cain | stupid partition design from the beginning tbh | 00:29 |
Arkenoi | but no | 00:29 |
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lcuk | people normally do qt vs gtk+gobject | 00:29 |
TomaszD | dmj726, basically, if you follow instructions it's going to be OK, if you don't you'll end up in deep shit and you subsequently write a thread about how nokia sucks | 00:29 |
lcuk | GNU build system stuff can be used for qt or gtk or many other things | 00:29 |
TheFaioli | lcuk: Because both are UI... gotcha. | 00:29 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: any problems while upgrading to PR 1.2? How did you upgrade? Flashing or OTA? | 00:29 |
lcuk | yup TheFaioli | 00:30 |
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Arkenoi | something is wrong with media tracker, i do not see any files in player | 00:30 |
strcpy | Hi everybody. I`m downloading firmware update 1.2 . has anybody checked if this update resolve previous depencency hell mainly caused by Qt ? | 00:30 |
Arkenoi | after update | 00:30 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: no, no problems, i just attached it to the wire and let it go... OTA | 00:30 |
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lcuk | so anyway, qt has a lower barrier of entry for new developers if everything flows smoothly | 00:30 |
Dr_Cain | strcpy: you updating via the app manager ? | 00:30 |
TheFaioli | lcuk: So I can basically use them interchangeably if I develop for Qt.... | 00:30 |
Dr_Cain | or apt? | 00:30 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: attach it to the wire? OTA doesn't require any wire as fair as I know... | 00:30 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: but yes, OTA it is. | 00:30 |
lcuk | ? use what interchangably? | 00:30 |
strcpy | no. through nokia-software-update (forgot to mention N900) | 00:31 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: yea, i mean the battery charger | 00:31 |
Dr_Cain | damnit, it really wants to use the damn nokia updater :| | 00:31 |
Dr_Cain | I want to flash OTA! | 00:31 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: the bootup is going smooth? | 00:31 |
spinningcompass | I've created a Bluetooth PAN & now I can interact with the Nokia N810's screen via VNC on my Mac. Is there a way to run a program on the Nokia 810 *from the Mac*, feed the program from the Mac to the Nokia, and then watch the result on the Mac's screen? | 00:31 |
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dmj726 | so I can't update to pr 1.2 without killing my home? | 00:31 |
GAN900 | dmj726, huh? | 00:31 |
TheFaioli | lcuk: I can use Qt Creator but basically the source can be compiled either way (suppose I send it to someone who does not use Qt Creator). | 00:31 |
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simoneb_ | DrGrov: it boots, (the intro video is not showing up but oh well ...) then in the desktop i can't see many things, i see letters as squares, etc | 00:32 |
strcpy | Dr_Cain, I did just bricked my n900, it was due to updating to latest kernel-power dev release, I believe. and found it a good chance to upgrade to 1.2 too :) | 00:32 |
dmj726 | isn't the emmc image for the 32 gb? | 00:32 |
Dr_Cain | oops :D | 00:32 |
TomaszD | dmj726, that seems to be the case, so back up and move the back up off the phone | 00:32 |
Dr_Cain | yeah bad idea X) | 00:32 |
Dr_Cain | though you can get it back with the flasher , right? | 00:32 |
jjmarin | what the hell is this: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `maemo-optify-runonce' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. | 00:32 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: for example i had some bookmarks on that desktop which i don't see... i see the foreca widget's outline, its icons (sun, clouds...) but not much else | 00:32 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: i put a PM for you. | 00:33 |
dmj726 | this is painful compared to ubuntu | 00:33 |
TheFaioli | Thanks! | 00:33 |
Arkenoi | no videos/no music/no photos | 00:33 |
strcpy | Dr_Cain, I already reflashed it to latest maemo .bin , to be able to use nokia-soft-up and just noticed 1.2 release :) | 00:33 |
TomaszD | dmj726, no, flashing is not the preferred option, you are supposed to update OTA | 00:33 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: sound like you have some serious issues with the installation of the firmware | 00:33 |
Arkenoi | what can be the reason? | 00:33 |
Arkenoi | reboot does not help | 00:33 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: thank you... a pm to who? | 00:33 |
strcpy | just be warned about trying kernel-power dev releases. in my case it leaded to constant reboots | 00:33 |
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DrGrov | simoneb_: it didn't go as planned it seems | 00:33 |
dmj726 | OTA refuses to work | 00:33 |
dmj726 | I've spent 4 hours trying that | 00:34 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: i wrote you a private message, but nevermind. we talk here, perhaps someone else can help out as well. | 00:34 |
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TomaszD | so flash both FIASCO and eMMC dmj726, but first move your backup off the phone | 00:34 |
TomaszD | you'll lose everything if you don't | 00:34 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: oh, ok. anyway i don't mean the nokia logo, i can't see the small clip after that, the hands (which i changed into something else) | 00:34 |
dmj726 | yeah...I copied off my MyDocs...took half an hour just to copy that | 00:34 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: when you updated you waited long enough to see the initial big lettered NOKIA screen with a progress bar? | 00:34 |
TomaszD | and don't reboot between FIASCO and eMMC flash | 00:35 |
ruskie | Purging configuration files for nokiamaps-navigation-provider ... | 00:35 |
ruskie | rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' | 00:35 |
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ruskie | so nicely broken | 00:35 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: ah okay, you changed it. | 00:35 |
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DrGrov | simoneb_: did you do a backup before you upgraded? | 00:35 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: uhm, i think i waited too much because i didn't see the progress bar. i left the mobile on the table and came back after an hour or so. | 00:36 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: yes i did | 00:36 |
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DrGrov | simoneb_: you should have seen a blue lettered "NOKIA" appearing after the installation which had a progress bar. Did you see whether the phone told you that the software has been updated? | 00:36 |
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Arkenoi | is there a way to force tracker to rescan manually? | 00:36 |
TomaszD | yes | 00:37 |
pupnik_ | dunn | 00:37 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: is there any way you can try to restore your latest backup? | 00:37 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: ssh? | 00:37 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: can you access any menus at all? | 00:37 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: i can, but i can't read anything | 00:37 |
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TomaszD | Arkenoi, tracker-processes -r | 00:38 |
DrGrov | simoneb_: ok, that makes it a bit hard yes. | 00:38 |
TomaszD | as a normal user | 00:38 |
DrGrov | anyone know how to help simoneb_ with his firmware problem? :) kindly appreciated I think. | 00:38 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: i remember i did a apt-get autoremove which removed libguile... is that bad? | 00:38 |
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DrGrov | I have run out of ideas | 00:38 |
simoneb_ | yea very kindly appreciated, i confirm that | 00:38 |
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DrGrov | simoneb_: no idea actually, i don't use apt-get autoremove at all since it might cause serious problems. not sure about libguile though if it is connected to your current problem. | 00:39 |
* anonuk is so close to a working maemo, yet so far :( | 00:39 |
spinningcompass | Is there a way to run NFS over a Bluetooth PAN between a Nokia N810 and a Macbook? | 00:39 |
simoneb_ | is there any way to restore a backup via ssh? | 00:39 |
jjmarin | Anyone has success with apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade | 00:39 |
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jjmarin | for PR1.2 upgrade | 00:40 |
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josephnexus | is there a way to have the calendar have a recurring event every 2nd and 4th friday of the month? | 00:40 |
obcecado | hi, how can i make a video call thru skype ? | 00:40 |
obcecado | i cant seem to find any menus | 00:40 |
obcecado | pr 1.2 | 00:41 |
josephnexus | obcecado you make the call | 00:41 |
josephnexus | and then after they answer | 00:41 |
josephnexus | there is a button that appears to enable video | 00:41 |
TomaszD | not really, there is an option to video call directly as well | 00:41 |
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obcecado | where ? | 00:42 |
* Aranel *yay! yay! It's downloading the update! teeworlds was the conflicting package. thanks to lcuk, slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer and other guys who helped me =) | 00:42 |
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TomaszD | well, in the call menu | 00:42 |
Arkenoi | did not help | 00:42 |
Arkenoi | any other troubleshooting ideas? | 00:42 |
TomaszD | troubleshooting for what | 00:43 |
obcecado | i really cant find it | 00:43 |
obcecado | im doing a call now, and i cant find the icon | 00:43 |
Arkenoi | TomaszD, no media files are indexed | 00:43 |
TomaszD | obcecado, open the keyboard to enter landscape mode | 00:43 |
dmj726 | why is the fiasco image 19 and the emmc 13? | 00:43 |
TomaszD | dmj726, it doesn't matter, it's OK | 00:44 |
TomaszD | Arkenoi, what is your situation, fresh flash? | 00:44 |
Arkenoi | TomaszD, yep | 00:44 |
TomaszD | emmc too? | 00:44 |
obcecado | TomaszD: same options | 00:44 |
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lcuk | Aranel, sure no problem, btw, pr4.7 was released :P | 00:44 |
Arkenoi | no, just fiasco image | 00:44 |
simoneb_ | DrGrov: i think i got it ... my /opt has not been mounted. how could it be? | 00:45 |
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TomaszD | obcecado, update the desktop client | 00:45 |
jjmarin | PR1.2 is a shit !!!! | 00:45 |
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Aranel | lcuk: damn.. I was freeing up some space for PR1.3.. I'll never get it done before pr7.0 :( | 00:45 |
TomaszD | Arkenoi, see, that's where you failed :) | 00:45 |
lcuk | heh | 00:45 |
thresh | yeah flash emmc and lose all your data | 00:45 |
lcuk | well done anyway :) as much as i moaned you persevered | 00:45 |
thresh | nice choice :S | 00:45 |
TomaszD | lose data? maybe back your data up and move it off the phone | 00:46 |
TomaszD | it's easy... | 00:46 |
thresh | not really | 00:46 |
SpeedEvil | Always back up. | 00:46 |
SpeedEvil | You can't easily drop your server down the toilet. | 00:46 |
thresh | my nokla has more space than my every computer | 00:46 |
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TomaszD | yes it is. You use the backup app, then move the backup folder to your desktop | 00:46 |
TomaszD | move your pics and videos too | 00:46 |
josephnexus | SpeedEvil: is that a challange? | 00:46 |
thresh | backup app didnt back up all my music ;) | 00:46 |
SpeedEvil | josephnexus: yes. | 00:47 |
SpeedEvil | josephnexus: pics plz. | 00:47 |
lcuk | in soviet russia, toilet drops on server | 00:47 |
simoneb_ | can anybody please tell me how the "/opt" line in /etc/fstab should look like? | 00:47 |
TomaszD | thresh, sure but where did it say that it would | 00:47 |
josephnexus | lcuk, pics or it didn't happen | 00:47 |
josephnexus | :-P | 00:47 |
Arkenoi | and volume buttons do not work in video player anymore | 00:47 |
dmj726 | why would I want the emmc image? | 00:47 |
thresh | TomaszD: sure. still a FAIL to update. | 00:47 |
lcuk | josephnexus, theres stories on dailywtf about server rooms inside toilets | 00:47 |
lcuk | and floods | 00:47 |
lcuk | so, sure | 00:47 |
dmj726 | ...my phone just booted fine after flashing the other one | 00:48 |
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TomaszD | Arkenoi, don't waste your time, backup, move backup and data, flash FIASCO, flash eMMC | 00:48 |
dmj726 | Am I missing something? | 00:48 |
lcuk | simoneb_, how do you know /opt isnt mounted | 00:48 |
lcuk | have oyu got far enough to get a ssh session? | 00:48 |
simoneb_ | lcuk: "find /opt" yields almost nothing | 00:48 |
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lcuk | how are you typing "find /opt" | 00:48 |
lcuk | on device itself? | 00:48 |
simoneb_ | lcuk: make that "-type f", and it's really nothing | 00:48 |
TomaszD | dmj726, yes, you are not supposed to reboot the phone after flashing fiasco (-R flag) | 00:48 |
simoneb_ | yes, via ssh, as root | 00:48 |
lcuk | or ssh session? | 00:49 |
Arkenoi | TomaszD, do you imagine what it takes to do on a phone heavy loaded with stuff? it probably takes several hours of my time and i probably forget something | 00:49 |
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lcuk | is the device functioning? ie booted visibly ok? | 00:49 |
TomaszD | dmj726, re-flash without the flag, then flash emmc with the -R flag | 00:49 |
Arkenoi | zillion application settings etc | 00:49 |
TomaszD | Arkenoi, no right to complain if something fails if you can't take the time | 00:49 |
simoneb_ | lcuk: no, it isn't working well, it boots, i see the nokia logo, i don't see the welcoming video, i get to home screen but don't see letters (i see them as squares), etc. | 00:49 |
Arkenoi | it should not fail, should it? | 00:49 |
lcuk | :( simoneb_ sure, that does sound like /opt corruption | 00:50 |
Arkenoi | the phone is not supposed to behave such way or to require *hours* to be spent on fixing things that should not break | 00:50 |
TomaszD | ...if you flash fiasco without the -R flag, then eMMC with the -R flag it will work fine | 00:50 |
simoneb_ | lcuk: well as a start i could try to mount it by hand | 00:50 |
TomaszD | Arkenoi, I'm just trying to help you | 00:50 |
Arkenoi | :-) | 00:50 |
lcuk | since you have booted, could you pastebin the log of .... to me please | 00:51 |
TomaszD | if you don't want to be helped then fine | 00:51 |
lcuk | just finding file | 00:51 |
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lcuk | simoneb_, just mounting it may not do you much good, im just finidng the log filename now - unforuntately if its run over what i think it has but then something has gone wrong you will need to flash most likely | 00:52 |
lcuk | first/ ceck /home/opt | 00:52 |
lcuk | check | 00:52 |
lcuk | does it have contents | 00:52 |
simoneb_ | uhm, yes, /home/opt has stuff in it | 00:52 |
Dr_Cain | oh hey, nokia software updater started working, just after I downloaded the image manually from tablets-dev >_> | 00:52 |
* Dr_Cain downloads again | 00:52 |
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lcuk | can you pastebin a recursive ls (private if you like) | 00:53 |
lcuk | and the contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log as well please | 00:53 |
dmj726 | why must the battery be fully charged to flash the mmc? | 00:54 |
Dr_Cain | because it will be running off battery power during flashing | 00:54 |
TomaszD | that's a dumb question, it's failsafe for dumb users | 00:54 |
dmj726 | ...oh | 00:54 |
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Dr_Cain | needs to be atleast 50% | 00:55 |
lcuk | and simoneb_ one more thing, does /var/lib/maemo-optify-firstboot-do-not-clean-home-opt exist | 00:55 |
dmj726 | Okay, I wanted to make sure it wasn't something to do with calibrating the battery software | 00:55 |
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simoneb_ | lcuk: exists, at 0 bytes | 00:55 |
lcuk | ok ta | 00:56 |
pupnik_ | i got no such file | 00:56 |
lcuk | pupnik_, did you update to 1.2? | 00:56 |
pupnik_ | yeah upgraded | 00:57 |
pupnik_ | no reboot yet | 00:57 |
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lcuk | sideways | 00:57 |
pupnik_ | ham didnt have an upgrade | 00:57 |
lcuk | how did you not reboot? | 00:57 |
Dr_Cain | ah there we go, updated | 00:57 |
pupnik_ | dunno | 00:57 |
lcuk | ham closes most things so you cannot continue ? | 00:58 |
pupnik_ | kept running out of space and restarting | 00:58 |
pupnik_ | there was and is no pr1.2 upgrade visible in ham today | 00:58 |
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pupnik_ | but the packages are there | 00:59 |
pupnik_ | so apt-get upgrade installs them | 00:59 |
Ikarus | pupnik_: not recommended though | 01:00 |
GAN900 | pupnik_, did you nuke the metapackage or something? | 01:00 |
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pupnik_ | i never found out the metapackage - what is it called | 01:02 |
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lcuk | not recommended at all infact | 01:03 |
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pupnik_ | there was no OTA in ham for me. probably took the spooks too long to trojan | 01:05 |
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arachnist | i've got 1.2 | 01:07 |
jjmarin | Pls Help: My N900 reboots trying upgrade PR1.2 with "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade". This is the message I've got before rebooting: Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y | Selecting previously deselected package maemo-optify-runonce. | (Reading database ... 22923 files and directories currently installed.) | Unpacking maemo-optify-runonce (from .../maemo-optify-runonce_0.10-32+0m5_all.deb) ... | dokil | 01:07 |
arachnist | via ham | 01:07 |
jjmarin | I use "apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade" from http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Listing_rootfs_space_on_your_device | 01:08 |
jjmarin | jjmarin: any idea. I'm trying to upgrade the hole day. Using the UI I've got "operation failed" | 01:09 |
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PhonicUK | €£$ | 01:12 |
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bobbyd | hi | 01:13 |
bobbyd | I just flashed my n900 to PR 1.2 UK clean and I now I can't work out how to get the calendar widget back | 01:14 |
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bobbyd | a, maybe Ive got to download it :) | 01:14 |
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arachnist | barisione: did you make a backup before reflashing the device? | 01:15 |
arachnist | barisione: was it a full backup? | 01:15 |
bobbyd | arachnist: if you're talking to me, yes I did | 01:15 |
arachnist | whoops | 01:15 |
b-man | http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/british-scientist-becomes-first-human-infected-with-a-computer/ hehehe | 01:15 |
bobbyd | I know it stores all installed apps, but I wanted to start clean | 01:15 |
arachnist | bobbyd: well, there should be an option in the backup app to restore the applications | 01:16 |
bobbyd | (apart from contacts) I've installed a crazy amount of stuff on this | 01:16 |
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bobbyd | I'll have a look through the list anyway | 01:17 |
bobbyd | thanks for reminding me | 01:17 |
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bleeter | grrr, OTA won't work (insufficient space) and NSU keeps throwing a wobbly :/ lol | 01:19 |
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hardaker | bleeter: how much did it tell you that it needed total? | 01:19 |
javispedro | the new tmo -- you cannot even point users to bugzilla because they go there and write "MORONS!!!" | 01:19 |
hardaker | (I didn't even try; I flashed as I knew it wouldn't ever have enough since 1.1.1 needed 90M and I had about 10) | 01:19 |
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jjmarin | For reference: my problem was related with the package maemo-optify-runonce and I resolved with rm -rf /opt/* . Now it is installing :) | 01:20 |
* javispedro wonders what are you doing | 01:21 |
javispedro | if you just did that, well, backup and reflash, because all your apps are gone. | 01:21 |
bobbyd | nope, can't find it anywhere | 01:21 |
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bobbyd | is it part of the default install for you guys, under widgets on the desktop? | 01:22 |
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javispedro | b-man: quite a smart guy. now start the countdown to him selling a firewall/antivirus system for an embedded OS whose in the wild virus count is 0 :) | 01:23 |
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Arkenoi | how do i change volume keys function? now they are tied to zoom function | 01:27 |
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shinkamui | yay | 01:27 |
Arkenoi | so i cannot change volume at all | 01:27 |
shinkamui | looks likke my break in opengles was due to having a half installed pr1.2 upgrade | 01:28 |
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javispedro | Arkenoi: which application? | 01:28 |
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Arkenoi | all of them | 01:28 |
shinkamui | javispedro, thanks for the poke there | 01:29 |
ioan | hi. any idea where the proxy settings for each connection are kept? | 01:29 |
Arkenoi | if i press volume buttons in media player just nothing happens | 01:29 |
shinkamui | I didn't think to make sure my packages were up to date | 01:29 |
Arkenoi | for terminal i get font size change | 01:29 |
shinkamui | just assumed the update worked | 01:29 |
javispedro | shinkamui: actually, I wanted you to update package listings, if app mgr left you with a broken system then complain about it | 01:29 |
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javispedro | (but not on that bug report ofc :P ) | 01:29 |
shinkamui | :-D | 01:30 |
javispedro | Arkenoi: and on the desktop? | 01:30 |
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hawai`i | Okay who wants to solve my new problem? | 01:31 |
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hawai`i | Halted on boot at Nokia logo, R&D mod does not force continuation. | 01:31 |
Arkenoi | on the desktop no effect as well | 01:32 |
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javispedro | Arkenoi: reboot | 01:33 |
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javispedro | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/26/2050256/Video-Gamers-Have-Power-Over-Their-Dreams oh, I'd wish. | 01:33 |
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Arkenoi | javispedro, no effect | 01:36 |
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hawai`i | Nobody feels like diagnosing this with me? | 01:37 |
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Arkenoi | well, if *THIS* thing was delayed to clean up bugs.. | 01:43 |
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hawai`i | Why the fuck doesn't it boot when R&D mode is enabled? | 01:45 |
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Ikarus[N900] | hmmm, video jabber calls aren't allowed ? or is it actually checking if the other end supports it ? | 01:46 |
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Robot101 | Ikarus[N900]: it checks that the other end supports it, yeah | 01:47 |
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javispedro | Robot101: btw, do you know if I could potentially call another resource of my own Jabber ID with the Maemo client? (off the top of your head, don't look it up, just an experiment I want to do) | 01:53 |
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Robot101 | javispedro: it's hardcoded out in telepathy at the moment, not for any very good reason but nobody really thought it through yet | 01:54 |
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javispedro | ah, nevermind then :) | 01:55 |
DocScrutinizer | Robot101: o/ | 01:55 |
Robot101 | evening | 01:55 |
bleeter | hardaker: it didn't | 01:56 |
hardaker | ah | 01:56 |
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opdf2 | anyone else holding out on 1.2? | 01:58 |
DocScrutinizer | eeeew 1.2 | 01:59 |
javispedro | ah... final user vs bugzilla interaction guys are going to have quite a lot of work | 02:00 |
* anonuk fixed the hildon theme by copying /usr/share/themers/Default to /usr/share/themes/default! 90 back to working again :) | 02:00 |
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* DocScrutinizer waits for 1.2.1 :-P | 02:01 |
Ikarus[N900] | hrm search in app installer is missing in 1.2 ? | 02:01 |
DocScrutinizer | type searkstring | 02:02 |
wolf^ | Ikarus, select "all categories" and type to match | 02:02 |
DocScrutinizer | s/k/ch | 02:02 |
javispedro | removing the menu item wasn't a good idea. | 02:02 |
DocScrutinizer | not at all | 02:02 |
Ikarus[N900] | wolf^: not working | 02:02 |
DocScrutinizer | incredibly obscure | 02:02 |
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Ikarus[N900] | 9h just slow | 02:02 |
javispedro | also I have to check if they still search into descriptions | 02:03 |
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javispedro | because it seemed too fast to be searching in descriptions | 02:03 |
Ikarus[N900] | also only package name not description it seems... | 02:03 |
DocScrutinizer | and you can't select anymore descr/name | 02:03 |
javispedro | bad, bad idea. | 02:03 |
DocScrutinizer | javispedro: now that would be a bummer! :-(( | 02:03 |
DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yeah, but now it meets the gui design rules :-P | 02:04 |
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javispedro | dunno -- seems like non-discoverable to me. | 02:04 |
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Ikarus[N900] | dockane: while all other annoying 30 page scroll lists still lack search on type | 02:05 |
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zaheerm | like email :) | 02:05 |
DocScrutinizer | javispedro: "type anywhere to search/match" paradigma | 02:05 |
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javispedro | see Ikarus point :) | 02:05 |
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DocScrutinizer | aah EHIGHLIGHT | 02:06 |
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Ikarus[N900] | yeah ENOTAB :P | 02:06 |
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DocScrutinizer | ETRYAGAIN | 02:07 |
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DocScrutinizer | :-) | 02:07 |
javispedro | ERETRY | 02:07 |
DocScrutinizer | oops | 02:08 |
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javispedro | noo | 02:08 |
javispedro | you're right. | 02:08 |
DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:08 |
Ikarus[N900] | hrm, also anyone know a better app to manage the applications menu, other then catorise I know none | 02:09 |
lcuk | Ikarus[N900], on pr1.2 you can arrange single items | 02:09 |
BCMM | Ikarus[N900]: have you updated to pr1.2 ? | 02:09 |
lcuk | but not the kind of grouping | 02:09 |
BCMM | rearranging is built it, but not subfolders | 02:09 |
lcuk | you can move any item up to where you want it | 02:09 |
BCMM | also, lcuk is faster than me | 02:09 |
lcuk | just tap and hold on an icon | 02:09 |
BCMM | maybe it's daytime in his timezone or something | 02:09 |
DocScrutinizer | Ikarus[N900]: heard 1.2 | 02:10 |
DocScrutinizer | subfolders are a must though. So just another fail for 1.2 | 02:10 |
jatt | does vertical mode work with the latest maemo update | 02:11 |
Ikarus[N900] | rearranging is nice and all but not ideal | 02:11 |
Ikarus[N900] | guess I'll pick apart catorise | 02:11 |
jatt | vertical in the maemo browser? | 02:11 |
BCMM | jatt: portrait mode? | 02:11 |
jatt | yes | 02:12 |
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BCMM | jatt: if you mean portrait mode, it worked before, and in pr1.2 there is a GUI for it | 02:12 |
DocScrutinizer | catorize and relatives all miss a simple way for user to arrange (even on a basis like which folder an app should go to) - and the categories of HAM/whatever are braindamages&useless | 02:12 |
jatt | what is this gui? is there a virtual keyboard for the portrait mode? | 02:12 |
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jjmarin | Finally, PR1.2 bricked my N900. Well done Nokia !!!! | 02:14 |
DocScrutinizer | who needs a kbd for browsing? XP | 02:14 |
anonuk | jjmarin: mine too , but i managed to fix it as there was a boot menu installed | 02:15 |
jatt | e.g. to write search terms in google | 02:15 |
anonuk | jjmarin: did it reboot in the middle of the update? | 02:15 |
jjmarin | anonuk: no | 02:15 |
DocScrutinizer | jatt:just klick the right add ;-P | 02:15 |
mc_teo | hey | 02:16 |
jatt | which is the biggest improvement in the new version? i haven't decided to upgrade yet | 02:16 |
DocScrutinizer | jatt: congrats | 02:16 |
* DocScrutinizer neither | 02:16 |
brik | why not? | 02:17 |
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* DocScrutinizer waits for 1.2.1 :-P | 02:17 |
jjmarin | Tomorrow I'll bring it to the local Nokia care point | 02:17 |
DocScrutinizer | 1.2 eats your children and pets | 02:17 |
brik | good I don't have children or pets then | 02:17 |
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jatt | I am not sure if it pays off. I was expectimg a virtual kbd in portrait mode :) | 02:18 |
DocScrutinizer | I don't have now, so I don't know how to feed it | 02:18 |
javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it doesn't eat them, it just lets other people eat them! remember pr1.2 fixes world hunger!! | 02:18 |
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DocScrutinizer | aaah, how tricky | 02:18 |
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jjmarin | jjmarin: right it restart continouly, it show the keyboard menu no-hildonized and without any letter and the reboots.... :( | 02:18 |
jatt | will be a new version for bugfixes? | 02:19 |
DocScrutinizer | 2017 | 02:19 |
mc_teo | hey | 02:19 |
DocScrutinizer | though probably with usual dely it'll be 2019 | 02:19 |
mc_teo | is there a nice python sound library available for n900 | 02:19 |
BCMM | hmm | 02:19 |
jatt | haha | 02:19 |
javispedro | after all, as I predicted, PR1.2 was released in 2013 | 02:20 |
* BCMM is waiting for the next "get kicked for asking about" version | 02:20 |
javispedro | when is PR1.3 going to be released? | 02:20 |
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javispedro | hm. | 02:20 |
jatt | after duke nukem forever is relaunched | 02:20 |
DocScrutinizer | RElaunched | 02:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | = v2.0 | 02:21 |
javispedro | either way, you really should upgrade to PR1.2 as we plan to replace all pr1.0 applications from repositories with viruses. | 02:21 |
DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | hasn't that been accomplished yet? WTF! another delay | 02:22 |
mc_teo | lol | 02:22 |
javispedro | we found it was the best fix for the entire qt4.6experimental debacle | 02:22 |
mc_teo | is there a nice python sound library available for n900 | 02:22 |
javispedro | DocScrutinizer: your help with the exploding battery part of the virus is really appreciated. | 02:22 |
DocScrutinizer | yw | 02:22 |
javispedro | mc_teo: what do you mean for sound library? | 02:23 |
DocScrutinizer | always a joy to contribute in a creative manner | 02:23 |
javispedro | plain sound output? | 02:23 |
javispedro | sound manipulation? | 02:23 |
javispedro | decoding of mp3/aac files? | 02:23 |
mc_teo | sound output mostly | 02:23 |
javispedro | you can use pygame | 02:23 |
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jjmarin | Maemo challenge: Build a cool 1.2 wall with N900 bricks !!!! | 02:24 |
mc_teo | is that included with qtdev? javispedro | 02:24 |
DocScrutinizer | did that with Freeruners ;-P | 02:24 |
javispedro | mc_teo: oh, I think not.. :( | 02:24 |
javispedro | mc_teo: are you using pyside/pyqt? I'm sure Qt will have some sane class for sound output. | 02:25 |
mc_teo | i hope so | 02:25 |
mc_teo | does gcc/g++ use much app space? | 02:26 |
mc_teo | or should i stick to cross compiling on scratchbox? | 02:26 |
javispedro | for on-device development? it's much more convenient to use a chroot. | 02:26 |
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DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: ask speedevil / N900evil | 02:27 |
cure` | so eh, people not really liking 1.2 yet or so? | 02:27 |
lcuk | i liek it | 02:27 |
cure` | havent reflashed/upgraded myself yet | 02:27 |
* javispedro likes it too | 02:27 |
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javispedro | well, had a battery-dead-in-the-morning problem this morning, but as usual I tend to blame me... | 02:28 |
* lcuk lieks chocolate milk too | 02:28 |
shinkamui | oh lord | 02:28 |
shinkamui | anyone know how to fix the not enough space error in app manager when root has 82% in use, and I have over 90% on opt? | 02:28 |
mc_teo | N900evil: hi | 02:28 |
DocScrutinizer | I *might* *possibly* consider to give it a try, if I could go back to 1.1 | 02:28 |
javispedro | One more reason to love chocolate milk and hate Apple. | 02:28 |
shinkamui | its not a total disaster, can install from the console, but i like to peruse the new apps.. | 02:28 |
xorAxAx | shinkamui: delete random files and pray | 02:28 |
xorAxAx | "russian file roulette" | 02:29 |
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DocScrutinizer | but a one-way ticket to doom isn't that appealing to me yet | 02:29 |
xorAxAx | shinkamui: how many MB do you have available? | 02:29 |
shinkamui | 39.2m on root | 02:29 |
shinkamui | 170 on opt | 02:29 |
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xorAxAx | thats a bit too few on root | 02:29 |
xorAxAx | remove a few packages | 02:30 |
shinkamui | dude, pre the upgrade, I was normally around 96% on root | 02:30 |
xorAxAx | ah, you did the upgrade already? | 02:30 |
shinkamui | anyway, I removed nokia maps to free up even that much space | 02:30 |
shinkamui | and no help | 02:30 |
xorAxAx | then i dont know | 02:30 |
shinkamui | xorAxAx, yea, I upgraded | 02:30 |
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shinkamui | this is trying to install a 41k app | 02:30 |
xorAxAx | maybe you need to pay the HAM fee on ovi | 02:30 |
shinkamui | its clearly just a problem with app manager | 02:30 |
xorAxAx | "HAM+ 10 EUR" | 02:31 |
shinkamui | WHAT | 02:31 |
opdf2 | how's 1.2 and erminig? This is my most important app | 02:31 |
shinkamui | why do I have to pay ovi to use shit from extras | 02:31 |
shinkamui | those douchers are charging me 15$ for nothing? | 02:31 |
xorAxAx | you get a better HAM! | 02:31 |
grishnav | damnit dammnit damnit! | 02:31 |
shinkamui | I dont get the joke | 02:31 |
grishnav | i forgot to save my upstart script for openvpn before I flashed | 02:31 |
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shinkamui | if its a joek | 02:31 |
DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: you're kidding! | 02:32 |
shinkamui | if its legit, Im really confused | 02:32 |
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tg | hm, this upgrade is really slow for me 60% in 3h | 02:32 |
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xorAxAx | DocScrutinizer: i am one of those who would also sell the "i'm rich" applications :) | 02:32 |
DocScrutinizer | sure, thought that HAM+ is your idea | 02:32 |
xorAxAx | i should apply for a position at nokia to increase revenue :) | 02:33 |
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DocScrutinizer | nah, my idea to send the device in for service by flushing it down the toilet beats your HAM+ with hands tied back | 02:34 |
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Milhouse | Seems like there might be a post PR1.2 release according to bug 6876, which is bloody good news. | 02:37 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6876 Birthday appears in the day before | 02:37 |
javispedro | Milhouse: oh, do not trust. we never got to see some the update containing some of the late bug fixes for diablo | 02:37 |
javispedro | but more updates are to be expected. | 02:38 |
* javispedro goes get a dyslexic shirt. | 02:38 |
DocScrutinizer | introducing more nice lovely regressions | 02:38 |
pigeon | hmm, weird, for some reasons my extras-devel repo url has become fremantle-1.2 (which doesn't exist) instead of fremantle, is that normal? | 02:38 |
* DocScrutinizer starts to sell "3" patches for all those "fixed in 1.2" shirts out there | 02:39 |
Milhouse | Would be nice if they just hit the annoying, apparently trivial bugs... something for the summer intern to work on. | 02:39 |
javispedro | pigeon: no. | 02:39 |
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pigeon | i see there is fremantle-1.2 for extras, but not extras-devel | 02:39 |
javispedro | Milhouse: that one isn't trivial.. | 02:39 |
Milhouse | which one, bug 6876? Showing a birth date on the right day? Righto... ;) | 02:40 |
* javispedro hates date manipulation | 02:40 |
Milhouse | Wouldn't surprise me if the calendar has a cocked up leap year algorithm. | 02:40 |
DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: you're not the first one suspecting this | 02:41 |
Milhouse | BUT, the biggest failing is that this bug, which appears trivial, but even if not it's criminal for a calendar app to contain and not be picked up in testing, was opened in Dec 09... WTF? | 02:42 |
javispedro | ah, time to repeat my story with eduroam | 02:42 |
Milhouse | Makes you wonder how the prioritisation system works at Nokia - a browser that can't browse, SHIP IT!!! | 02:42 |
javispedro | wake me up when the bug is two-three years old. | 02:42 |
javispedro | as that is my personal record :) | 02:43 |
pwnguin | Milhouse: well, they did fix USSD | 02:43 |
pwnguin | which is kinda nice | 02:43 |
Milhouse | was that just it's age, or how long it took to fix - reckon I can best that easy! :) | 02:43 |
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Milhouse | pwnguin: yeah, seemed pretty necessary though in for people to use the device... then again showing dates in a calendar? Hmm... /rubs chin | 02:44 |
pwnguin | its just birthdays, no? | 02:44 |
Milhouse | I guess, although I somewhat distrust anything with such a basic failing so would be disinclined to trust Calendar with anything more important. | 02:46 |
pwnguin | its not a failing, its a feature | 02:46 |
pwnguin | they give you 24 hours to find a last minute present | 02:46 |
Milhouse | :) | 02:47 |
javispedro | you TRUST calendar??? | 02:47 |
pwnguin | well | 02:47 |
javispedro | oh god. | 02:47 |
pwnguin | i trust exchange which syncs the calendar | 02:47 |
javispedro | didn't you get the "all appointments shown in the widget are pretty much randomly selected" issue | 02:47 |
DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: fine, they obviously had to reflash the modem fw for that. Seems they introduced a bug this way, which kills the contacts app on certain contact specifics stored on the sim | 02:47 |
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Milhouse | javispedro: yeah I know, what WAS I thinking! :) | 02:47 |
tuliobaars | Hello, people! | 02:48 |
javispedro | I really loved knowing that I would go on holiday on july. Of course I really hated missing my next final exam!! | 02:48 |
Milhouse | javispedro: i did get some that showed up on the right date, but it was a bit random as to when they disappeared. | 02:48 |
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Milhouse | javispedro: don't expried tasks now remain on the current day (was that a fix in this release or an outstanding issue?) must admit I've stopped using it because it's, well, sh1t. | 02:49 |
DocScrutinizer | but MAJOR FAIL is: you can not go back to pr1.1 (or has that been fixed?) | 02:49 |
Milhouse | docscrutinizer: think that's because of the radio isn't it? or something like that. probably should be allowed to regress though. | 02:49 |
javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no. either way, I can only think of one reason to want to go back: keyboard and/or categorise, and all of them should be easy to overwrite. | 02:49 |
Milhouse | s/regress/revert/g | 02:50 |
infobot | Milhouse meant: docscrutinizer: think that's because of the radio isn't it? or something like that. probably should be allowed to revert though. | 02:50 |
javispedro | so make that two reasons :P | 02:50 |
pwnguin | i have to ask: how long ago was USSD introduced? | 02:50 |
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DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: it IS because of modem FW. And it CAN NOT be reverted | 02:50 |
Milhouse | pwnguin: in general or on the n900? about 24 hours ago for the latter, probably since the dawn of GSM for the former. | 02:50 |
pwnguin | they seemed kinda surprised at the thought that people might use it | 02:50 |
javispedro | pwnguin: you surprised? PAP stands for Plain Authentication Protocol. Yep -- the most simple of the protocols. Two years. | 02:51 |
DocScrutinizer | Milhouse: as Nokia decided to integrate a bullshit nto the modem fw not allowing to downgrade | 02:51 |
Milhouse | pwnguin: can't believe they're that stupid, so think that was just a cover for the lack of developent time/resources prior to launch. | 02:51 |
javispedro | so One year for USSD codes which are way more complex is neat. Consider yourself lucky! | 02:51 |
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pwnguin | im not sure what PAP is | 02:52 |
pwnguin | or if ive ever used it =/ | 02:52 |
Milhouse | USSD codes have been around a lot longer than 1-2 years, surely | 02:52 |
javispedro | aka the eduroam bug. | 02:52 |
pwnguin | but im pretty sure that encryption is waaaaaaay harder than you're making it sound | 02:52 |
Milhouse | USSD is all for PAYG stuff, right? | 02:52 |
javispedro | encryption? authentication. | 02:52 |
lcuk | barkeep, i'd like a tall glass of your strongest whiskey please. | 02:52 |
lcuk | and leave me the rest of the barrel | 02:53 |
SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: IIRC it's been found it's possible to reflash the modem IIRC | 02:53 |
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jaska | cask-strength by the pint | 02:53 |
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DocScrutinizer | USSD ?? you're kidding? it's part of 1980 GSM specs | 02:53 |
lcuk | javispedro, which party | 02:53 |
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javispedro | the complain party, of course! :) | 02:53 |
pwnguin | Milhouse: USSD is used for more than PAYG. i saw a guy talk about his translation service that ran over USSD | 02:53 |
pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: which is why i wonder, how do you find a modem that doesn't support it? | 02:54 |
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Milhouse | pwnguin: right, just querying it's age - PAYG has been around for many years. | 02:54 |
DocScrutinizer | USSD and its relative are used for controlling services since the beginning of (GSM) times | 02:54 |
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Milhouse | Doc: Thought so. | 02:54 |
lcuk | javispedro well its been interesting to see just how different people have made their filesystems since we last updated | 02:55 |
DocScrutinizer | pwnguin: becuase it's a modem and not a phone? | 02:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | who needs call redirect on busy, for a modem? :-o | 02:56 |
pwnguin | DocScrutinizer: i guess that makes some amount of sense | 02:56 |
pwnguin | heh | 02:56 |
Milhouse | Question: Anyone using Google Mail with Nokia Messaging here? | 02:56 |
Milhouse | (on the N900, obviously!) | 02:56 |
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pwnguin | Nokia Messaging == telepathy? | 02:56 |
pwnguin | or the email app? | 02:56 |
Milhouse | Emai | 02:56 |
Milhouse | Email | 02:56 |
Milhouse | With Nokia Messaging you get push email from Google | 02:57 |
pwnguin | i was using gmail by way of IMAP but for the last few months its refused to authenticate | 02:57 |
pwnguin | probably in part because i changed my password last month | 02:57 |
Milhouse | Hmmm... just wondering how many spam notifications you are getting on the device? | 02:57 |
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pwnguin | none | 02:57 |
Milhouse | or were | 02:57 |
Milhouse | Shit, I get loads | 02:57 |
pwnguin | well | 02:58 |
pwnguin | are you using the exchange like tool? | 02:58 |
javispedro | lcuk: but you know this, the more you keep a system without updating it, the more customized and hard to update it gets :) | 02:58 |
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pwnguin | there's an MfE app that lets you set up which folders to care about | 02:58 |
Milhouse | It seems that Nokia Messaging is monitoring "All Mail" rather than Inbox, so when spam arrives and is labeled as SPAM, I still get a new mail notification - and when you go to read it, it's not there (as it's been re-labeled) | 02:58 |
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Milhouse | pwnguin: No, I'm using Nokia Messaging and have configured it with one Google Mail account/IMAP | 02:59 |
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pwnguin | mfe ties into nokia messaging? | 02:59 |
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pwnguin | ie, i have gmail and exchange in the mail app | 02:59 |
Milhouse | pwnguin - maybe, not sure why I need MfE though | 02:59 |
pwnguin | calendar | 02:59 |
Milhouse | See above :) | 03:00 |
pwnguin | mine works fine | 03:00 |
lcuk | sure javispedro | 03:00 |
Milhouse | Maybe when Calendar can handle dates better I'll revisit that. :) | 03:00 |
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pwnguin | by dates you mean one niggling feature within contacts | 03:00 |
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Milhouse | pwnguin: I'm saying it's a suspect app that falls down at it's most basic task | 03:01 |
DocScrutinizer | btw push "thanks"on an arbitrary tmo post of DocScrutinizer if you like USSD, as without me asking konttori about it here in IRC it probably would have failed to get into 1.2 even | 03:01 |
pwnguin | i just don't buy this "if its not visibly bug free i cant be sure that's all the bugs there are!" | 03:01 |
SpeedEvil | Oh - USSD is in by default? Nice | 03:01 |
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SpeedEvil | Well - if trivially obvious bugs are visible - it raises the question of the quality of the code, and the code review. | 03:02 |
Milhouse | pwnguin: truth is I don't *need* to use it (Calendar) so won't make the effort when it's broken at such a basic level - obviously Nokia didn't make any effort to test it either | 03:02 |
DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: full ack | 03:02 |
pwnguin | obviously nokia focused all their effort on microsoft exchange support | 03:02 |
pwnguin | which is nice, because i have it at work | 03:02 |
xorAxAx | jehovas witnesses infiltrated nokia and reprogrammed the calendar | 03:03 |
Milhouse | Whereas nobody has birthdays :) | 03:03 |
pwnguin | not on my phone they dont | 03:03 |
Milhouse | Meanie :) | 03:03 |
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xorAxAx | yes, no witness witnesses birthdays, and moving them by one day does effectively that :) | 03:03 |
DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: "apocalypse is always one day nearer than you think it is!" ?? ;-P | 03:04 |
javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh | 03:04 |
pwnguin | anyways, im surprisd that i actually got to OTA update this time | 03:04 |
javispedro | they removed the left/right swipe to go to next month in calendar!!!! | 03:04 |
javispedro | that's it!! I'm buying an iPhone. | 03:04 |
xorAxAx | haha | 03:05 |
tuliobaars | Hello people! Is the n810 dead? | 03:05 |
derf | Yes. | 03:05 |
Mousey | long live the n810! | 03:05 |
xorAxAx | tuliobaars: yes, it doesnt have an atom cpu | 03:05 |
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GAN900 | Howdy, Milhouse. | 03:05 |
derf | I still use my N810 more than my N900. | 03:05 |
DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 1.2 fanboy's penalty ;-P | 03:06 |
pwnguin | does the n900 pair with BT keyboards? | 03:06 |
DocScrutinizer | anyway it's absolutely amazing how the number of regressions seems way larger than the number of fixed bugs | 03:07 |
ManoftheSea | pwnguin: it can | 03:07 |
DocScrutinizer | which btw I seen happening in a similar way for OM SHR distro | 03:08 |
javispedro | DocScrutinizer: interestingly enough they also kept changing Gtk<->Qt<->Enlightment didn't them? :) | 03:08 |
DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:08 |
xorAxAx | pwnguin: yes, except those sold by nokia (not kidding!) | 03:08 |
SpeedEvil | javispedro: With not enough communication with community. | 03:08 |
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xorAxAx | BTDT, failed miserably | 03:09 |
Termana | good morning | 03:09 |
DocScrutinizer | xorAxAx: WTF?! | 03:09 |
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xorAxAx | i have a SU-8W lying here and it was unusable | 03:09 |
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tuliobaars | a old history: wayfinder error in n810? | 03:11 |
tuliobaars | any answer? | 03:11 |
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lcuk2 | javispedro, just spent sometime with user who did full complete ssu but ended up with boxes on bootup - he had no /opt mountbind at all! tho everything else had happened | 03:12 |
javispedro | uh. | 03:12 |
lcuk2 | turned out his rcS-late and system-services package hadnt been updated because he had modified it (and its a conf file) | 03:12 |
lcuk2 | still dont know whether hes reflashing | 03:13 |
lcuk2 | think he might be ok actually | 03:13 |
DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (SHR) nota bene SHR is somewhat like OM's mer | 03:13 |
tuliobaars | do yoo know? when i'm goin to get a 7day trial it happens a network error! every tiem! why? | 03:13 |
lcuk2 | tuliobaars, a 7 day trial of what? | 03:13 |
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DocScrutinizer | while OM2008.xx OM2009.xx were like PRx.y | 03:14 |
b-man | *sigh* i wish people on talk.maemo.org would use the wiki more often :P | 03:14 |
javispedro | lcuk2: some moments ago was someone here who said that "rm -r /opt" fixed his system =) I wonder what will happen when he tries to run any app. | 03:14 |
tuliobaars | wayfinder, sorryu] | 03:14 |
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javispedro | (well, no need to guess) | 03:14 |
lcuk | javispedro, :O | 03:14 |
javispedro | tuliobaars: ah, wayfinder is dead :( | 03:14 |
lcuk | tuliobaars, the servers are offline :( | 03:14 |
lcuk | my tracy misses Todd also | 03:14 |
javispedro | tuliobaars: if you didn't download the maps previously you're gonna have a hard time.. | 03:15 |
lcuk | "at the traffic circle" | 03:15 |
lcuk | its not the maps javispedro | 03:15 |
lcuk | its the license | 03:15 |
tuliobaars | i know, but i don't know how to use maemo mapper...but i still have the maps | 03:15 |
javispedro | oh | 03:15 |
javispedro | my license is still up to 2011 | 03:15 |
lcuk | cant enter nav mode unlicense | 03:15 |
lcuk | d | 03:15 |
tuliobaars | i need a 7 day trial, so I crack it even 7 day I need | 03:15 |
javispedro | oh, so I won't be able to retrieve license file if I flash the n8x0. | 03:16 |
* javispedro backups it. | 03:16 |
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DocScrutinizer | forget online licence shit | 03:17 |
DocScrutinizer | see where it gets you | 03:17 |
pigeon | hmm, does anyone know the diff with account-plugin-haze and telepathy-extras? | 03:17 |
pigeon | ah, never mind... found the diff, telepathy-extras is a meta package. | 03:18 |
DocScrutinizer | date limited lincences for a software are criminal and insane | 03:18 |
tuliobaars | i need that license or a good gps app | 03:18 |
DocScrutinizer | locking down software to a hardware is exactly as criminal | 03:19 |
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SpeedEvil | Date limited licenses - that are not explicitly sold as such are criminal. | 03:19 |
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SpeedEvil | I have much less problem with explicitly sold stuff. | 03:20 |
tuliobaars | sorry, i didn't understand | 03:20 |
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DocScrutinizer | I pay for it - you give me the whole cake. I don't care watermarks, but licence for a limited time, or a particular device? NO THANKS | 03:20 |
tuliobaars | crack it is a criminal action? | 03:20 |
tuliobaars | okok, i just wanna resolve how can I activate the 7-day trial on Way finder! | 03:21 |
tuliobaars | license failed: network error, pls try again later | 03:22 |
tuliobaars | unknown error | 03:22 |
DocScrutinizer | SCREWIT | 03:22 |
joga | nice that the url clicking problem (when hw keyb is closed) in the terminal is fixed | 03:23 |
DocScrutinizer | url clicking in terminal?? o.O | 03:23 |
njsf_ | re | 03:23 |
* njsf_ is doing the restore after the 1.2 reflash | 03:23 |
tuliobaars | no, on the MAP app on app list?! | 03:24 |
SpeedEvil | you can click on URLs in osso-xterm | 03:24 |
tuliobaars | but it doesn't give me any URL's | 03:24 |
b-man | it's stupid to have a limited-time license for something you payed for :P | 03:24 |
DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: INCREEEDIBLE | 03:24 |
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tuliobaars | I Agree | 03:25 |
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SpeedEvil | 810 | 03:25 |
DocScrutinizer | b-man: see my rant above | 03:25 |
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tuliobaars | so, how can i resolve this??? | 03:26 |
tuliobaars | editing any .conf ??? | 03:26 |
joga | I see maps has 3D now | 03:26 |
javispedro | SpeedEvil: yea they sould three-year licenses. | 03:26 |
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javispedro | *sold. | 03:27 |
DocScrutinizer | b-man: if they revoke my right to use their software, can I then revoke my money I paid for it? :-P | 03:27 |
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SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In some cases, yes. | 03:27 |
SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: will vary depednign on the jurisdiction. | 03:27 |
joga | ...except it doesn't work with night mode | 03:28 |
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tuliobaars | sorry, but yoo dunnot answer my question! (sorry, i'm dying tuse that GPS) | 03:29 |
DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fsck jurisdiction, that's clearly a case to be settled by LART | 03:29 |
SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - that reminds me - I haven't tried maps since boot. | 03:29 |
SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: Well - sorry - we're not being paid to do this. | 03:29 |
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b-man | DocScrutinizer: revoking your rights to use that software for no real reason when you payed for it is very unreasonable - i'd complain | 03:30 |
SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: And seemingly nobody that's awake and active - maybe a dozen people - knows the answer. | 03:30 |
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pigeon | hmm, for msn there are like 3 plugins, haze, butterfly, and pecan, anyone knows their diff? | 03:30 |
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tuliobaars | ok, i wait. And, is there any Maemo 4 or N810 or OS2008 irc channel? | 03:31 |
SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/ DocScrutinizer is interesting. | 03:31 |
tuliobaars | exclusively | 03:31 |
SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: Unfortunately not. | 03:31 |
SpeedEvil | tuliobaars: It would have made sense to create one - perhaps back in september - but nobody did. | 03:31 |
javispedro | tuliobaars: there's a forum though. http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=29 | 03:32 |
tuliobaars | how can I create an IRC channel? | 03:32 |
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tuliobaars | ok, bybye | 03:33 |
tuliobaars | see you later | 03:33 |
joga | SpeedEvil: maps is more usable now, slowly getting somewhere.. | 03:33 |
SpeedEvil | Oooh. Did it have a 'satellite view' before? | 03:33 |
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joga | no | 03:34 |
joga | or uh, yeah | 03:34 |
javispedro | yes. | 03:34 |
joga | but no 3D or night | 03:34 |
javispedro | it had 3d. | 03:34 |
SpeedEvil | \Ah | 03:34 |
* SpeedEvil finds another bug to file. | 03:34 |
joga | and route search is a bit better (but why pink?) | 03:34 |
SpeedEvil | I guess it's using yahoo tiles. | 03:34 |
javispedro | probably nokia's own tileserver | 03:35 |
pigeon | hmm funny, now i have two "Facebook" account types... | 03:35 |
SpeedEvil | javispedro: probably | 03:35 |
javispedro | maps.ovi.com iirc | 03:35 |
SpeedEvil | javispedro: But the dataset looks very like landsat | 03:35 |
javispedro | yep. | 03:35 |
SpeedEvil | javispedro: here - which is 15m resolution - as used by yahoo here | 03:35 |
SpeedEvil | And zooming in simply endlessly says 'downloading' | 03:36 |
javispedro | in this country everyone uses the same tileset | 03:36 |
joga | maep is a nice program, it's simple and fast to use and you can select from many maps, I noticed it also knows the public transport routes | 03:36 |
javispedro | was provided by government for free iirc, also not satellite imaginary | 03:36 |
DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (red sky) heya, the future of FOSS is bright :-) | 03:37 |
joga | if I need to check where I am, it's a lot faster than maps but more useful than the location widget :) | 03:37 |
DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't sell a product, just sell a service | 03:37 |
Pavlov | anyone know about the variant repository/key stuff on maemo? | 03:37 |
SpeedEvil | joga: I use osm2go - but... | 03:38 |
SpeedEvil | :) | 03:38 |
* DocScrutinizer sets up lawsuit against nokia, failing to deliver bugfree 1.2 ;-P | 03:38 |
DocScrutinizer | hey guys - just kidding. Don't hush :-D | 03:41 |
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javispedro | friendly note: "Users joining DocScrutinizet's class action will be kicked and permanently banned from #maemo" | 03:42 |
javispedro | argh, sorry for the typo. | 03:42 |
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DocScrutinizer | ljp: things going wrong? | 03:43 |
DocScrutinizer | btw to keep you: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/17/software_liability_analysis/ | 03:45 |
ljp | nope | 03:45 |
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ljp | just.. if maemo5 was built on Qt, it'd have no bugs :) | 03:46 |
jebba | there anyway to use the "main" camera for google video calls instead of the "small" one? | 03:46 |
DocScrutinizer | actually it seems it's an unbearable risk to sell software *products* at all | 03:46 |
djcaston | ljp, how is qt a part of 1.2? cause i know it plays a pretty big part | 03:46 |
DocScrutinizer | jebba: given it's probably just a "1" vs a "0" somewhere in a strin like "...video0", I'd say you for sure could patch it | 03:47 |
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jebba | heh. DocScrutinizer ya for sure like that somehow... But if there was a normal way to do it.... | 03:47 |
DocScrutinizer | a lil more normal would be to swap the device names | 03:48 |
DocScrutinizer | in /dev/* or whatever | 03:48 |
jebba | that might lead to other problems though, like opening the cover would trigger for wrong device. | 03:48 |
DocScrutinizer | sane method would be a decent GUI to select on video input | 03:49 |
jebba | ya exactly. :) | 03:49 |
DocScrutinizer | jebba: (other problems) exactly | 03:49 |
DocScrutinizer | nice catch to open the cam cover and then take a shot of your own face XP | 03:50 |
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jebba | hah | 03:51 |
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DocScrutinizer | jebba: synthesis: patch that to "2" in telepahty/whatever, and use a symlink you easily can change to whatever meets your needs | 03:51 |
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javispedro | hm | 03:51 |
jebba | perhaps just a dbus command will do it | 03:52 |
javispedro | I kinda remember a config file for choosing the camera | 03:52 |
javispedro | but that was camera-ui iirc | 03:52 |
DocScrutinizer | damn, so the mirror shot cam is no fictive joke? \o/ | 03:53 |
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opdf2 | If I don't have enough rootfs space for OTA, will it prevent me from DL in the beginning, or after a long download? | 03:55 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | beginning | 03:57 |
SpeedEvil | Hmm. Why might tcpdump say: | 03:57 |
SpeedEvil | tcpdump -i wlan0 dst 80 | 03:57 |
SpeedEvil | tcpdump: WARNING: can't create rx ring on packet socket 3: 92-Protocol not available | 03:57 |
shinkamui | well | 03:57 |
shinkamui | you're better off than I am | 03:57 |
shinkamui | I have plenty of space | 03:57 |
shinkamui | but appmanager wont let me download even a 41k app | 03:57 |
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shinkamui | every freeking ota update leads to some stupid little problem, usually one thats not big enough to warrant a reflash | 03:58 |
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javispedro | oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port ! | 03:59 |
DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: strange | 03:59 |
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opdf2 | anyone else get a quick error message during OTA? | 04:00 |
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jebba1 | DocScrutinizer i dont see anything in gconf that is relevant | 04:04 |
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opdf2 | k looks like downloading started with ~47 mb free rootfs | 04:08 |
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DocScrutinizer | jebba1: was just a blind guess | 04:24 |
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SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Worked for me with no problems. | 04:27 |
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spinningcompass | What's the /dev entry for the SHDC external memory card of the Nokia N810? | 04:31 |
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SpeedEvil | How can I get the media player to output through the video adaptor to an audio device? | 04:53 |
SpeedEvil | That is - the L and R stereo are plugged in | 04:53 |
SpeedEvil | it stays in speaker mode | 04:53 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | humm | 04:56 |
DocScrutinizer51 | short the yellow rca jack | 04:56 |
DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: | 04:57 |
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opdf2 | cool 1.2 installed | 05:00 |
opdf2 | backup app makes it so easy to reinstall apps | 05:01 |
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DocScrutinizer51 | though I have to admit I don't understand why it doesn't recognize the AV cable as just that, an AV cable - and switches to AV mode delivering audio and video to the 3.5mm receptacle | 05:02 |
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MNX1024 | Anyone tried meego out yet? | 05:03 |
microlith | that reminds me | 05:03 |
* microlith fires up the aspire one | 05:04 |
DocScrutinizer51 | anyway shorting the video/mic ring to gnd (yellow RCA) should signal a plain headphone | 05:04 |
SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I remembered the schematic, and did that. | 05:04 |
LiraNuna | woot PR1.2 | 05:05 |
LiraNuna | anyone noticed they have revised the touch interface? | 05:06 |
LiraNuna | you can no longer swipe to open top panels :( | 05:06 |
LiraNuna | must be a tap | 05:06 |
microlith | top panels? | 05:07 |
LiraNuna | application dropdown panel | 05:07 |
LiraNuna | and global one | 05:07 |
microlith | oh | 05:07 |
microlith | didn't know it responded like that | 05:08 |
microlith | I've always just tapped | 05:08 |
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skynets | DocScrutinizer, what? class action lawsuit? | 05:08 |
LiraNuna | I liked swiping, it felt more natural | 05:08 |
LiraNuna | as if you "pull" the menu down | 05:08 |
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microlith | LiraNuna: yeah, I can see that. Seems like it would be more useful with a capacitive screen though | 05:09 |
DocScrutinizer51 | skynets: don't take everything you read for a true fact | 05:09 |
LiraNuna | it used to work fine, they "fixed" it, it seems | 05:09 |
skynets | ok so its only small claims? | 05:09 |
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LiraNuna | any more 'secret fixes' on PR1.2? | 05:12 |
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skynets | im still getting wrong times | 05:13 |
skynets | when i recieve smses | 05:13 |
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opdf2 | anyone also getting problems with shortcutd in 1.2? | 05:36 |
pigeon | hmm since i upgraded to 1.2, i started getting smses from this "My Nokia" thing... anyone knows if that will cost me? :) | 05:37 |
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pupnik_ | 2 euro and i tell u the answer | 05:38 |
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pigeon | right... silly me, it's mentioned in the terms and conditions of My Nokia... | 05:40 |
pigeon | thanks | 05:40 |
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opdf2 | hmmm are there updated repos? | 05:52 |
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rockydd | anyone is using maemo mapper? I have a problem to use google maps | 06:03 |
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hardaker | my qt mail checking application is much nicer under 1.2, but they screwed up the highlight font. | 06:34 |
hardaker | it's now dark on dark | 06:34 |
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greenfly | hmmm CPU constantly pegged (xorg and rtcom-message-ui) after PR1.2 update | 06:50 |
dougt_ | is thumb code still supported w/ the 1.2 ROM on the n900s? | 06:52 |
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Ikarus | hrm, no one yet wrote a little nagios desktop applet for the N900 ? | 07:12 |
asj | Ikarus: have you tried magios? | 07:12 |
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Ikarus | you mean maegios | 07:13 |
Ikarus | doesn't quit seem to embrace the style I want | 07:13 |
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asj | why do people ask "Is there an app for X in maemo" when they want to say "I've tried app X and I [don't like it|it doesn't do what I want|it looks ugly] is there anything else?" | 07:14 |
Ikarus | asj: no, I just found it and looked at it :) | 07:14 |
iPeter- | how to put video on skype call? | 07:14 |
Ikarus | asj: up to that point I believed maegios was just a teaser as the google result implied | 07:15 |
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asj | Ikarus: I'm not picking on your alone, it's just happended a couple times in the last few days | 07:15 |
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iPeter- | I found, nothing anymore | 07:16 |
Ikarus | ah well, got to run, work and all, meh | 07:17 |
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ZogG_N900 | hey | 07:24 |
ZogG_N900 | so meego core for N900 is ready ) | 07:25 |
ZogG_N900 | hope some test UI is comming soon | 07:25 |
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iPeter- | Hey, i found "an-droid theme for n900" from "AppWatch" ther was repository history and downloaded it from that way. Now i cant find it from anywhere to give it to my friend | 07:35 |
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opdf2 | finally I can delete new emails | 07:35 |
iPeter- | Is there any way to refresh mediaplayer, it doesnt regonize my vids or music | 07:39 |
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MiXu- | iPeter-: It'll take a few minutes | 07:46 |
iPeter- | booted phone and removed battery, worked. | 07:47 |
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RST38h | EHLO HUMANS | 08:14 |
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Termana | RST38h, HELLO ROBOT | 08:15 |
Termana | sudo make me a sandwich | 08:15 |
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Cy8aer | Termana: http://en.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/comic.php?content_id=88 | 08:16 |
Termana | Cy8aer, heh :P I hadn't seen that one | 08:18 |
RST38h | DESTROY DESTROY | 08:19 |
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RST38h | OMG, it has been 8 hours and POP3 account still works | 08:29 |
Stskeeps | modest was fixed? | 08:29 |
Stskeeps | scary shit | 08:29 |
RST38h | Stskeeps: hush, don't scare it off =) | 08:29 |
Xisdibik | morning Stskeeps | 08:29 |
Stskeeps | morn | 08:30 |
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RST38h | Stskeeps: keyboard language switch still broken though = | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | i'd say hack it but that part isn't oss.. | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:30 |
RST38h | Actually, it is easily hackable | 08:30 |
Xisdibik | not sure if this was with the update, or just a fluke or something i changed long ago, but forgot now, When i reply to an email in Modest, it has the original message and the cursor is on the front part of it. and I dont want that. | 08:31 |
RST38h | I have found the gconf value that sets the hw keyboard layout | 08:31 |
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RST38h | changing it from "en" to "ru" and back does the trick | 08:31 |
Xisdibik | Stskeeps: do you know if there is a way to disable including the original message in a reply email in modest? | 08:31 |
RST38h | Now only need to find a way to listen to keyboard events, globally | 08:31 |
Stskeeps | Xisdibik: no idea, my general opinion is that modest is too broke to fix | 08:31 |
Stskeeps | :P | 08:31 |
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Xisdibik | Stskeeps: lol | 08:32 |
RST38h | Anyways, work. | 08:32 |
Xisdibik | anyone else know if that can be disabled in modest? | 08:32 |
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tybollt | lala | 08:39 |
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Corsac | ok, video call between empathy and n900 fails with “codec negotiation failed” | 08:42 |
Corsac | too bad | 08:42 |
tybollt | you need to call in a mediator | 08:42 |
Corsac | :) | 08:42 |
tybollt | negotiate a truce | 08:43 |
tybollt | ;) | 08:43 |
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tybollt | Corsac: anyway if you install extras codec - does that help? | 08:43 |
Corsac | I have them installed, it doesn't seem to work | 08:44 |
tybollt | :-/ | 08:44 |
Corsac | afaiui it uses farsight on the n900 side? | 08:45 |
tybollt | I have no idea sorry | 08:45 |
Termana | Corsac, thats your problem | 08:45 |
Termana | you need normalsight | 08:45 |
Termana | otherwise its unseeable | 08:46 |
Corsac | gnagnagna | 08:46 |
tybollt | ja | 08:46 |
Termana | :P | 08:46 |
tybollt | farTsight... gets rather smelly too | 08:46 |
tybollt | :( | 08:46 |
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tybollt | ok this is silly :) | 08:46 |
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Corsac | erf | 08:49 |
Corsac | http://paste.debian.net/75007/ | 08:50 |
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Stskeeps | what did you expect, theora? ;) | 08:51 |
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Corsac | Stskeeps: yes | 08:53 |
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Stskeeps | Corsac: was it you who was into xfce4 on moblin? | 08:54 |
Corsac | http://www.tester.ca/2010/05/25/n900-video-calls-skype-too/ seems to say that it's h264 only | 08:54 |
Corsac | Stskeeps: yes | 08:54 |
Corsac | well | 08:54 |
Corsac | depends on what you mean by “into” | 08:54 |
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Stskeeps | well, there was someone who was maintaining packages of xfce4 somewhere :P | 08:55 |
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Corsac | hhm, then it might be sofar | 08:56 |
Corsac | I maintain Xfce packages in Debian, but didn't do anything for moblin | 08:56 |
Stskeeps | ah | 08:56 |
Stskeeps | had to put it in context :) | 08:56 |
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pigeon | Corsac: oh, thanks. | 08:57 |
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Corsac | for? h264 stuff? | 08:57 |
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pigeon | Corsac: for maintaining xfce :) | 08:57 |
Corsac | ha :) | 08:57 |
Stskeeps | Corsac: preparing my n810 port of meego with xfce4 atm for first public .ks release :P | 08:57 |
pigeon | i use debian and xfce :) | 08:58 |
Corsac | Stskeeps: woot | 08:58 |
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Stskeeps | still some way to go to M0 but stil.. | 08:58 |
Corsac | Stskeeps: I plan to look at the 1.0 meego core to put on the touchbook, too, so that'll mean Xfce until there's a way to do GL stuff on it | 08:58 |
Corsac | so I guess you ks might be helpful too :) | 08:59 |
tybollt | bop @ Stskeeps | 08:59 |
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tybollt | Stskeeps: KDE ftw!!!!1111 | 08:59 |
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Stskeeps | Corsac: managed to ask to get 'extra' built for ARMv5 and ARMv7 so | 08:59 |
lucent | I haven't completed an update of my N900 to PR1.2 yet, was there an improvement to the quality of front web cam capture? | 08:59 |
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microlith | lucent: well, they enabled skype video call support so I hope they did | 09:00 |
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Corsac | hmmh, not really sure | 09:01 |
Corsac | I didn't really see a difference, tbh | 09:01 |
Corsac | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 09:01 |
lucent | I hope this upgrade works with HAM, hardly any free space on my N900 rootfs, after following the advice to free up space | 09:02 |
Corsac | did you disable the extras repositories? | 09:03 |
Corsac | grmbl, I don't see why telepathy framework can't use any of the available gstreamer codecs | 09:03 |
lucent | Corsac: ^_^ yes I did | 09:04 |
lucent | it won't bother me too much if this operation fails | 09:04 |
lucent | my last resort is familiar to me, I will re-flash | 09:04 |
lucent | somehow I hoped the upgrades would be less than 40MB | 09:05 |
Corsac | it's 110M | 09:05 |
Corsac | but the total occupied space is much less than that | 09:06 |
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lucent | HAM did not complain when I confirmed that I want to attempt the upgrade, does that imply it has enough space to store the downloaded upgrade? | 09:06 |
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lucent | i.e. I have say 40MB free on rootfs, using HAM the upgrade will be 110M as you say | 09:07 |
lucent | where ... does the information go if not to rootfs? | 09:07 |
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microlith | eMMC | 09:09 |
microlith | the root space is mostly a buffer, all the packages and whatnot are stored on the eMMC where there's plenty of space -if- you use HAM | 09:09 |
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microlith | using apt-get will hurt quick | 09:10 |
tybollt | huh | 09:10 |
tybollt | the location of a package is - of course -not mandated by what installer you use | 09:10 |
tybollt | that's silly | 09:10 |
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tybollt | s/mandated/decided/ | 09:11 |
microlith | HAM is aware of the eMMC partitions, and uses them | 09:11 |
microlith | apt-get acts like it does on any Linux system | 09:11 |
tybollt | ? | 09:11 |
microlith | it'll pull the packages down into /var/cache/apt/archive | 09:11 |
tybollt | it's in the package itself where it'll get installed | 09:11 |
microlith | and eat your rootfs space | 09:12 |
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microlith | this has nothing to do with -install- time | 09:12 |
microlith | it's all the download before install | 09:12 |
tybollt | jaja | 09:12 |
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Tuukka | Anyone using mobile hotspot app? Does it work well? | 09:21 |
bleeter | Funny thing about trying to use NSU under Win7 64bit, trying to get it working gave me the time to remove enough packages to get the update OTA going :) | 09:21 |
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lucent | Tuukka: I'm wary of changing kernels | 09:21 |
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Tuukka | What about Joiku spot it doesn't need a modified kernel, does it? | 09:22 |
tybollt | no | 09:23 |
tybollt | it does not | 09:23 |
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tybollt | bleeter: it plain does NOT work in Windows 64 bit | 09:24 |
Tuukka | Does bluetooth tethering work phone to phone? | 09:25 |
bleeter | tybollt: I kinda figured that. The giveaway was iirc 'option 3' in the Win7 64bit tips and tricks doc page. | 09:27 |
bleeter | but felt the need to give it one shot just the same :P | 09:27 |
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aboyer | is there a package that i can install in scratchbox that will give me the OMAP Graphics SDK devel files? | 09:32 |
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aboyer | i'm refering to this thing: http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/gfxsdk/3_01_00_06/index_FDS.html | 09:34 |
Stskeeps | well, what file specifically do you eed? | 09:34 |
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aboyer | kernelbuffer.h | 09:35 |
aboyer | i'm trying to compile the bc-cat kernel module to perform opengl texture streaming | 09:35 |
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aboyer | and this bc-cat module depends on OMAP Graphics SDK and OMAP Linux PSP | 09:35 |
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Stskeeps | aboyer: don't think we have it.. any path associated? | 09:37 |
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Stskeeps | it might be in kernel itself | 09:38 |
aboyer | Stskeeps: drm/mrst/pvr/services4/include/kernelbuffer.h | 09:38 |
aboyer | if it was in the kernel then there would be 10 devices /dev/bc-cat0 - /dev/bc-cat9 | 09:39 |
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aboyer | and those are not present on pr 1.1.1 | 09:39 |
aboyer | are they there on pr1.2 perhaps? | 09:39 |
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aboyer | * actually the devices should be /dev/bccat0-9 | 09:40 |
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Stskeeps | aboyer: check kernel source, it would be in drivers/gpu/pvr | 09:40 |
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aboyer | it's not there.. checked already, that is why i'm asking | 09:41 |
Stskeeps | sure? | 09:41 |
aboyer | all i have in there are Kconfig, Makefile and a tools directory | 09:41 |
Stskeeps | eh :P | 09:41 |
Stskeeps | sec | 09:41 |
Stskeeps | drivers/gpu/pvr/kernelbuffer.h | 09:42 |
aboyer | can you tell me what package i need to install to get that? | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | grab the kernel source package from repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 09:43 |
aboyer | ok, and then dump it in /usr/src in scratchbox? | 09:44 |
* aboyer is new to kernel hacking | 09:44 |
Stskeeps | wiki documentation should help | 09:44 |
aboyer | ok, thx for your help | 09:44 |
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Corsac | hmhm, when taking pictures with ctrl+shift+P, where are the png stored? | 10:00 |
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Corsac | ha, MyDocs/.images/Screenshots | 10:02 |
Khertan | /home/user/MyDocs/.images/screenshot | 10:02 |
Khertan | if i remember well | 10:02 |
Khertan | Hi All ! | 10:02 |
Corsac | yeha thanks :) | 10:02 |
Khertan | a bit late :) | 10:02 |
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parim | is it possible to mount a windows file share on maemo 4? | 10:03 |
Appiah | is there samba support? then yes | 10:04 |
Appiah | oh wait | 10:04 |
* pupnik still surviving after dist-upgrade | 10:05 |
pupnik | what is the OTA metapackage name for pr1.2 | 10:05 |
Appiah | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2487&page=2 parim | 10:05 |
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ruskie | pupnik, same as for the rest... fremantle-generic-pr or something like that | 10:06 |
ruskie | hmm seems like I'll be rolling my own kernel | 10:07 |
pupnik | ty | 10:07 |
johan_ | why ruskie | 10:07 |
ruskie | because jebba isn't rolling his anymore and the power-kernel is worthless to me | 10:08 |
parim | thanks so much Appiah | 10:08 |
pupnik | hmm that installs addnl packages over dist-upgrade | 10:08 |
pupnik | how do i delete all those -eses -fifi -esmx etc packages? | 10:08 |
ruskie | I don't need overclocking and all the rest... I just want the same kernel with the extra stuff enabled | 10:08 |
ruskie | pupnik, you can't | 10:09 |
ruskie | pupnik, they are always installed | 10:09 |
ruskie | and have been since forewer | 10:09 |
ruskie | erm forever | 10:09 |
pupnik | ah ok | 10:09 |
ruskie | it would require package modification to get rid of all the language packs | 10:09 |
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ruskie | johan_, basically I want fbcon NAT, ppp, pptp and a few other things on it | 10:10 |
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tybollt | ehr there - that's better :) | 10:12 |
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ruskie | :) | 10:12 |
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tybollt | ruskie: isn't there an "advanced user kernel" in the repo's for that olready? | 10:12 |
ruskie | tybollt, yeah the power kernel that has way to many features(overclocking being one of them) | 10:13 |
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hrw | morning | 10:13 |
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pupnik | ruskie: and is rather flaky talking to X | 10:15 |
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ruskie | pupnik, fun... basically I just want a basic kernel with extra modules that most people might find usable maybe I'll roll a few kernels... atleast a fbcon and non-fbcon ones for sure | 10:19 |
tybollt | overclocking | 10:19 |
* tybollt FACEDESK | 10:19 |
ruskie | tybollt, agreed | 10:20 |
Stskeeps | and kexec | 10:20 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:20 |
ruskie | kexec isn't a bad idea if it works | 10:20 |
pupnik | how bout hacking a console or single-user runmode ruskie | 10:20 |
ruskie | pupnik, already have that ;) | 10:20 |
pupnik | so i can get a shell when i reboot | 10:20 |
tybollt | single mode runmode? | 10:20 |
pupnik | do want! | 10:20 |
tybollt | huh? | 10:20 |
tybollt | just boot w/ init=/bin/bash ;P | 10:21 |
ruskie | nope | 10:21 |
ruskie | /bootmenu.sh | 10:21 |
ruskie | boot with open keyboard | 10:21 |
ruskie | and it will start that | 10:21 |
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ruskie | I have a basic one there | 10:21 |
pupnik | mm? ty i install bootmenu | 10:21 |
ruskie | starts up dsme and ssh and exec /bin/sh | 10:21 |
ruskie | pupnik, it's my own creation not the bootmenu from the repos | 10:21 |
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ruskie | I need to update it and refine it... | 10:22 |
ruskie | I guess I can post it to my wiki page | 10:22 |
pupnik | ok. very important utility | 10:22 |
pupnik | i am getting many "Internal error. Application XYz closed" atm | 10:23 |
pupnik | SIM gone, web gone, conversations, phone, applets gone | 10:23 |
pupnik | but terminal survives :) | 10:24 |
pupnik | so if i reboot without console i will have to flash via usb, which is dodgy/damaged :) | 10:24 |
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pupnik | ahh good web restarts | 10:25 |
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ruskie | pupnik, well bootmenu.sh does require fbcon in my case | 10:26 |
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pupnik | i have titans kernel atm | 10:27 |
ruskie | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie#Bootmenu | 10:27 |
ruskie | you probably do want to modify and update for your own device | 10:27 |
ruskie | it's currently very hackish to my own device | 10:27 |
defragger | is it easy to port debian packages to maemo? and is there a good detailed howto about that? | 10:27 |
pupnik | right. ty | 10:27 |
ruskie | defragger, generally use etch repos for deb-src in sdk then just apt-get source package | 10:27 |
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ruskie | pupnik, the only problem is that the kernel lacks a good keyboard map for the keyboard | 10:28 |
ruskie | pupnik, so sym keys don't work | 10:28 |
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ruskie | pupnik, basically that bootmenu.sh is hacked from existing init/event scripts ;) | 10:28 |
pupnik | very interesting. ty | 10:29 |
defragger | ruskie: ive done that, and what do i have to do with the source top build a package for maemo? | 10:29 |
ruskie | defragger, dpkg-buildpackage | 10:29 |
ruskie | more or less | 10:29 |
defragger | ruskie: i see, i will try that thx :) | 10:30 |
ruskie | pupnik, also not sure if I have a usable network connection on that | 10:30 |
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ruskie | frankly haven't given much thought to it so far | 10:31 |
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ruskie | I did use it a few times but the lack of sym keys is more than annoying | 10:31 |
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ghostcube | morning, anyone maybe got the link for the moverootfs script? | 10:31 |
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ghostcube | if not i will search on maemo.org :D | 10:31 |
pupnik | mhm. work to do... | 10:32 |
skyscraper | hi | 10:32 |
skyscraper | ive a question | 10:32 |
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defragger | ruskie: what is meant by that: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7) flex texi2html? | 10:32 |
skyscraper | i have read its possible to connect external mic to n900 via yellow plug from videocable?! can i use it to for auxillary in like from cd player line out? | 10:33 |
Stskeeps | for those interested in MeeGo on N810, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=681902&postcount=84 | 10:33 |
ruskie | defragger, it wants debhelper v7 or above, flex and texi2html | 10:33 |
skyscraper | *too | 10:33 |
defragger | i see | 10:34 |
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ruskie | defragger, you sure you're using the etch sources? | 10:34 |
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lucent | uh-oh | 10:35 |
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lucent | post-PR1.2 my N900 is endlessly rebooting | 10:35 |
skyscraper | no one knows?! | 10:36 |
tybollt | lucent: flash it bro | 10:36 |
* lucent facepalms | 10:36 |
tybollt | don't fucking facepalm - just flash your device :) | 10:36 |
lucent | ha yeah okay. | 10:37 |
defragger | uhm i dont know, i need to take a look, installed the system yesterday | 10:37 |
tybollt | lucent: I believe flashing is there for these types of situations | 10:37 |
pupnik | i believe console mode is | 10:37 |
skyscraper | lol my n900 reboots too, sometimes - after pr12l | 10:37 |
lucent | I mean post-install, directly after | 10:38 |
lucent | I've flashed before but I wish I could avoid it if possible | 10:38 |
skyscraper | hm. ota or nsu? | 10:38 |
tybollt | skyscraper: by any chance ... cause you typed reboot? | 10:38 |
lucent | OTA here | 10:38 |
defragger | ruskie: where can i see the source list? /etc/apt/sources.list?? | 10:38 |
zlimvos | weird i just enabled again extras-devel and i got an error "IP 92.122.216.179 not found" | 10:39 |
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skyscraper | no @tybolt - testing some media player and screen rotation and then blackscreen white led. restarted without asking for my pin again | 10:39 |
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ruskie | defragger, should be | 10:39 |
skyscraper | does no one know anything about audio line in | 10:40 |
skyscraper | ?? | 10:40 |
defragger | ruskie: uhm there are only maemo sources ... | 10:40 |
defragger | i had to add these: | 10:40 |
defragger | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib | 10:40 |
defragger | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib | 10:40 |
defragger | right? | 10:40 |
skyscraper | hm :( | 10:41 |
skyscraper | need to test it myself?! | 10:41 |
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skyscraper | can i destroy anything when connecting a mp3player or stl to yellow plug from video cable? | 10:42 |
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ruskie | defragger, just deb-src | 10:42 |
tybollt | ehr | 10:42 |
ruskie | defragger, you don't want deb | 10:42 |
tybollt | that's an audio out innit - not in? | 10:42 |
defragger | i see | 10:42 |
skyscraper | thats in, too - the standard headphone has microphone too? | 10:43 |
ghostcube | hmmm skype video call with mac doesnt work damn | 10:43 |
ghostcube | -.- | 10:43 |
skyscraper | http://www.google.com/m/url?cd=1&channel=unibox&client=ms-nokia-maemo&ct=res&ei=tCL-S-juMY2AnQOur6R0&oi=blended&q=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2F81ba2105-f16d-4c2b-a958-542ede07c7bc%2FNokia_AV_Hardware_Interface_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf&resnum=1&sa=X&ved=0CAkQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNEwGDGG_Uf6aPD7R36OTywcB8Bj9A | 10:44 |
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skyscraper | @tybollt | 10:44 |
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tybollt | skyscraper: that's a big doco | 10:46 |
skyscraper | wait | 10:46 |
tybollt | anyway does it say in there the thing can be used for audio in too? | 10:46 |
skyscraper | http://shelbinator.com/2008/05/04/n95-external-microphone/ is the same for n900 | 10:47 |
skyscraper | yes the document says 'mono line in' | 10:48 |
RST38h | Anyone knows if I should change Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel from fremantle to fremantle-1.2? | 10:48 |
hrw | RST38h: only extras exists in two forms | 10:48 |
RST38h | hrw: Ah, ok | 10:48 |
hrw | RST38h: testing and devel are for latest | 10:48 |
RST38h | good to know | 10:48 |
Appiah | ~PR1.2 | 10:49 |
infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 10:49 |
lucent | tybollt: could use a refresher, my memory not so good... what is the eMMC? I'm looking at the firmware images page and am confused about whether I *must* flash the eMMC or not? | 10:49 |
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Appiah | ~flashing | 10:50 |
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infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:50 |
tybollt | lucent: emmc is where you have you pr0n | 10:50 |
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tybollt | lucent: nand is where the OS is | 10:50 |
tybollt | lucent: flash the nand | 10:50 |
tybollt | not the emmc | 10:50 |
tybollt | that way you don't lose the pr0n | 10:50 |
tybollt | WIN | 10:50 |
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elstupidos | lol i love that explanation | 10:51 |
skyscraper | have to write "klausur" now.... afk, maybe off when connection times out | 10:51 |
tybollt | Yes | 10:52 |
tybollt | a mustached german named "klaus" is very typical for pr0n movies | 10:52 |
skyscraper | later back! | 10:52 |
skyscraper | klausur is at school, lol | 10:52 |
Scelt | tybollt: I guess it is also mustached german Klaus in the band named The Scorpions | 10:53 |
defragger | ruskie: do i have to use apt-get source on x86 or ARMEL? | 10:53 |
ruskie | defragger, you are doing everything on armel... atleast I do it | 10:53 |
defragger | ruskie: i see, last question whats that: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' | 10:53 |
tybollt | RST38h. hrw: Funny how this 1.2 thing for fremantle is not mentioned on http://repository.maemo.org/, don't you think? :-| | 10:54 |
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ruskie | defragger, add the relevant keys using apt-key iirc | 10:55 |
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ghostcube | woah what is the latest europe firmware file again ) | 10:57 |
* johnsu01 wonders what it would take to rearrange the keys on the on-screen keyboard | 10:57 |
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johnsu01 | why on earth are the backspace and enter keys lower than the rest | 10:57 |
ghostcube | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?? | 10:58 |
CLaX0 | Hi all, a quick question concerning the fremantle sdk | 10:58 |
CLaX0 | They seem to have changed the address of it in the repo | 10:58 |
lucent | ghostcube: you too? | 10:58 |
CLaX0 | So I get a 404 when installing | 10:58 |
CLaX0 | How do I change the repo address? It's not a in the python script I got | 10:58 |
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biston | Good morning. I've been reading lately in so many places that the MeeGo project dropped support for the N900 device. But looking at http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/, where the images for N900 are supposed to be, we can notice that the images have been updated to v1.0 on May 25th. Did anyone try these images? do they include an interface ? | 10:59 |
lucent | ghostcube: you can be sure following the process at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 10:59 |
CLaX0 | I mean no the repo address, but rather the resource within it | 10:59 |
ghostcube | dam i removed some files, and have killed my themes | 10:59 |
lucent | biston: who what now? | 10:59 |
biston | i mean, im confused, it seems that N900 are still supported | 10:59 |
lucent | try #meego ? | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | biston: it isn't a nokia product, it is a meego.com thing | 11:00 |
biston | yea :p good point | 11:00 |
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biston | i didn't know the chan existed | 11:00 |
Stskeeps | biston: n900 support isn't going anywhere, n900 is the reference platform for ARM on meego | 11:00 |
Stskeeps | support as in 'something that makes it work' | 11:00 |
biston | ah | 11:00 |
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biston | i'll see what they have to say about this on #meego | 11:01 |
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Stskeeps | biston: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 explains a little more about our wor | 11:02 |
Stskeeps | k | 11:02 |
biston | reading | 11:03 |
defragger | ruskie: what options do i have to use with that apt-key? i hate debian :D | 11:03 |
tybollt | Stskeeps: how 'free' is meego though? Will there ever be like ... 'snapshots' etc? | 11:03 |
tybollt | (I can't see how that'd be sustainable granted nokia and intel wanting to make money out of this :) | 11:04 |
Stskeeps | tybollt: there's supposed to be weekly or daily snapshots of Trunk, depending on who you ask | 11:04 |
tybollt | oh? o_O | 11:04 |
Stskeeps | it isn't android, you know | 11:04 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:04 |
ruskie | defragger, me too... searc hfor debian import key apt-key | 11:04 |
Milo- | do I get charged for anything if I press the "send to mobile" button on the ovi store site? (given that the application is free) | 11:05 |
ruskie | tybollt, from my understanding MeeGo core is completly open no clue about the stuff on top | 11:05 |
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ruskie | which reminds me... need to try the netbook release on my 701 | 11:06 |
tybollt | Stskeeps: No of course not | 11:06 |
tybollt | Stskeeps: My point is... | 11:06 |
tybollt | At some point you'll be pulling in closed source binaries - how/when is that? | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | tybollt: right. in our hardware adaptation we try to minimize closed source binaries. if you own a n900, you can get the repo URL for them and the kickstart file for generating our closed image. | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | this is entirely on hardware basis. | 11:07 |
tybollt | uhuh | 11:07 |
Stskeeps | at some point, a vendor might add differentiation. | 11:08 |
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Stskeeps | that core on top of the open and portable meego core and ux. | 11:08 |
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Stskeeps | so instead of 43% we have like 97% :P | 11:08 |
* ruskie hopes that the announcement that MeeGo 1.1 will support touchscreen phones and that it'll be around somewhere in october iirc will come true | 11:09 |
timeless_mbp | !seen andre | 11:09 |
tybollt | Stskeeps: Right so a _fairly_ vendor agnostic process then... makes sense I suppose | 11:09 |
lejonet | timeless_mbp: still is ~ not ! ;) | 11:09 |
lejonet | ~seen andre | 11:09 |
infobot | andre is currently on #meego (8d 23h 25m 59s), last said: 'postmanPechkin: const char* is not a class, it has no nested types'. | 11:09 |
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asj_ | hmm, I wonder if I can change left-right audio output balance on the n900 | 11:10 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: so… you're looking at platform costs wrong | 11:10 |
tybollt | ? | 11:10 |
Stskeeps | tybollt: i think it could be a lot worse. if you have hardware that supports a fully open hardware adaptation you can build open differentiation on top | 11:10 |
Stskeeps | :P | 11:10 |
timeless_mbp | a platform is a sustainable expense because it's a substitute for an existing expense | 11:10 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: My missus always said I don't handle/understand "costs", so yeah - probably. | 11:10 |
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timeless_mbp | and it enables costs savings through cost sharing | 11:10 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, look at it this way.. | 11:10 |
timeless_mbp | i don't have a missus, so i have to pay for my own apt | 11:11 |
timeless_mbp | imagine someday i meet a nice lady, who also has to pay for her own apt | 11:11 |
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timeless_mbp | we could share a place, and our base cost for housing would go down | 11:11 |
timeless_mbp | sure it might be a bigger place and seem to cost more | 11:11 |
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timeless_mbp | but if you compare how much each of us put in before to how much we put in after, our individual costs will drop | 11:11 |
timeless_mbp | we might even be able to do more things | 11:11 |
timeless_mbp | and that's w/ just two of us | 11:12 |
timeless_mbp | imagine if i moved from Finland (where neighbors are imaginary) | 11:12 |
timeless_mbp | to a place where we had friendly neighbors who'd help out once in a while | 11:12 |
tybollt | you entirely lost me now - but ok :) | 11:12 |
timeless_mbp | that community adds value and reduces cost | 11:12 |
timeless_mbp | which part? | 11:12 |
timeless_mbp | imagine an apt for one in HEL costs 200kEUR | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | which isn't too far off | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | imagine if another person in the same city is also paying 200kEUR for an apt | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | total cost for 2 individuals = 400kEUR | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | imagine if they "merged" | 11:13 |
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timeless_mbp | they could live in a 300kEUR apt together | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | they each save 50kEUR | 11:13 |
timeless_mbp | if their old apt was say 50m^2, they might upgrade to an 80m^2 place | 11:14 |
timeless_mbp | their place to them looks bigger, and to you as a visitor it also looks bigger | 11:14 |
* ruskie is used to cast sharing paying for half of the costs for living at home | 11:14 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: does the first part make sense? | 11:15 |
ruskie | erm cost even | 11:15 |
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defragger | ruskie: finally its compiling the package | 11:15 |
groove | hi, i have been told there has been a new release for the n900 this week but my phone is not showing up the update, any ideas why? | 11:15 |
ruskie | groove, maybe it hasn't updated yet | 11:15 |
timeless_mbp | groove: it doesn't poll every minute | 11:15 |
groove | is there a way to force a poll? | 11:15 |
tybollt | groove: sure there is | 11:15 |
timeless_mbp | for some reason someone thought that might be expensive :) | 11:15 |
lucent | tybollt: Thanks for the help, I like your description of the eMMC ^_^ | 11:15 |
tybollt | go into HAM and press refresh | 11:15 |
Lazy^ | Helli, is there MMS option for N900. I know there isn't one from Nokia but repos ? | 11:15 |
ruskie | fMMS | 11:16 |
ruskie | supposedly | 11:16 |
groove | tybollt: what is HAM? | 11:16 |
timeless_mbp | Lazy^: fMMS | 11:16 |
timeless_mbp | groove: 'App. Manager' | 11:16 |
Lazy^ | Can i find it from repos ? | 11:16 |
timeless_mbp | or 'App manager' or 'Add/Remove' (if you use my localization) | 11:16 |
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timeless_mbp | Lazy^: sure, it should be in extras | 11:16 |
tybollt | dneary? | 11:16 |
groove | timeless_mbp: i already tried an "update" (as opposed to "download") from the app manager | 11:16 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: so, did the basic cost sharing stuff make sense? | 11:16 |
groove | i'm not sure if it comes from the standard repos | 11:16 |
ruskie | gah... hate that More... was removed | 11:16 |
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tybollt | who is the head honcho in charge of website / doco? That's dneary yeah? | 11:17 |
timeless_mbp | groove: the update is from a standard repo | 11:17 |
groove | ok, maybe my repos are messed up | 11:17 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: file a bug ;-) | 11:17 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'm not sure still what you are trying to convince me of. | 11:17 |
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timeless_mbp | tybollt: you were wondering how meego could be sustainable | 11:17 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a bug. | 11:17 |
lucent | groove: I had to flash PR1.2 anyways, because of troubles upgrading | 11:17 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: I'd really just want a mail where I can submit a diff | 11:17 |
lucent | groove: it might make sense to just flash | 11:17 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: bugzilla supports that :) | 11:17 |
Khertan | Hi ! | 11:17 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja Ok, very well then | 11:17 |
timeless_mbp | there's a website product and you can attach patches | 11:17 |
Khertan | hum ... meego 1.0 ... interesting | 11:17 |
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timeless_mbp | tybollt: anyway, both intel and nokia had to pay for building an os (moblin, maemo) | 11:18 |
groove | ok, i'll try flashing it if the update doesn't show up in the next week | 11:18 |
groove | many thanks | 11:18 |
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tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja now stop mocking me | 11:18 |
defragger | ruskie: did you ever upload any of your created packages to the maemo repository? | 11:19 |
ruskie | defragger, all my stuff is in my own repo | 11:19 |
defragger | ah i see | 11:19 |
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Scelt | hei boys, where was the article about N900 ovi store update? | 11:20 |
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Khertan | ruskie ... :) | 11:21 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: afaik nokia didn't actually promise that | 11:21 |
Khertan | Scelt ... maybe in rumors ... or archives 2009 sections | 11:21 |
timeless_mbp | it might be hoped, but afaik we didn't make that promise | 11:21 |
timeless_mbp | i think the hope is to get it rolled out asap | 11:21 |
timeless_mbp | but please don't treat it as a promise | 11:21 |
Scelt | I thought they said something about this day, thursday 27th | 11:22 |
* ruskie is happy living an Ovi-less life | 11:22 |
Scelt | I saw somewhere | 11:22 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: you're welcome to think that | 11:22 |
timeless_mbp | and there were third parties who made that claim | 11:22 |
timeless_mbp | i'm speaking as a nokian having read mail where internals asked if the claim was accurate | 11:23 |
Scelt | may be so, but I want to find that arcticle anyway | 11:23 |
timeless_mbp | the response i saw indicated the claim was not | 11:23 |
timeless_mbp | oh, the article's easy to find | 11:23 |
timeless_mbp | but who cares? it's a third party article | 11:23 |
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Scelt | "I want to find a Volvo repair shop. Please help." "Lol! Drive BMW!!1" | 11:24 |
timeless_mbp | more like "I need help finding macrumors.com, because I have an apple and want to know if apple announced its next product" | 11:24 |
pupnik | second pot of tea is sooo smooth | 11:25 |
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pillar_ | I thought that what was promised for today was new games to ovi store | 11:25 |
Scelt | nah. I want to find that article because of interest, not because of believing anyone blogging anything | 11:25 |
tybollt | pupnik needs himself some coffe | 11:25 |
tybollt | e' | 11:25 |
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* Khertan didn't see why the sauerkraut is cold | 11:25 |
lucent | I wish there were a "No to all" setting in "Version conflict" dialog for Backup/Restore | 11:25 |
* ruskie needs vast amounts of sleep this week... am so sleep deprived it's not funny | 11:26 |
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timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=new%20games%20ovi%20n900&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 says ... | 11:26 |
tybollt | Khertan: do you fancy those little cheese cubes? you know w/ a red cow on them? :) | 11:26 |
timeless_mbp | lucent: i filed a bug for that feature years ago | 11:26 |
timeless_mbp | the backup team ui designers insist on being annoying | 11:26 |
lucent | timeless_mbp: ha, yeah | 11:26 |
timeless_mbp | http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ | 11:26 |
timeless_mbp | > First up – new games join the veritable arcade already on offer in Ovi Store. Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster, Zen-bound, Angry Birds (level pack), Sygic, Kroll, Weatherbug, and GoGadget are all available to keep you entertained. Important to note though that Ovi Store will do a full switchover this week Thursday, May 27, so these games and other for-purchase apps will show up then. | 11:26 |
timeless_mbp | interesting | 11:27 |
Khertan | tybollt, the laughting cow ? | 11:27 |
Scelt | Thanks! tjust that I was looking for | 11:27 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: isn't that an official channel? | 11:27 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: dunno | 11:27 |
lucent | Angry Birds game is brilliant, it is catching on at the Apple iPhone apps store, one of the most popular games... and I played it first on N900 :) though unrelated to maemo | 11:27 |
timeless_mbp | the place i read earlier was maemo<something> | 11:28 |
timeless_mbp | which definitely wasn't | 11:28 |
Scelt | well, gotta believe the official Nokia blog | 11:28 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: bad idea ;-) | 11:28 |
* timeless_mbp goes to send an email | 11:29 |
Scelt | ;D | 11:29 |
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tybollt | Khertan: oui justement | 11:29 |
ZogG_N900 | bad day for me | 11:29 |
ZogG_N900 | damn fml | 11:29 |
Stskeeps | pr1.2 ate your lunch? | 11:30 |
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ZogG_N900 | nope | 11:30 |
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Khertan | tybollt, i'm not a fan :) prefer cashew nut with my vodka | 11:31 |
ZogG_N900 | today i would waste myself i think | 11:31 |
Khertan | tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... un peu tôt pour l'apéritif | 11:31 |
timeless_mbp | > We are not committed to open Store for PR1.2 on Thu May 27. We naturally hope we can do this. | 11:31 |
timeless_mbp | that's an email i received internally | 11:31 |
Khertan | tybollt, but right now it 10h30 ... a little early for a drink | 11:31 |
timeless_mbp | it was sent tuesday morning | 11:31 |
tybollt | Khertan: is it ever - for a frog? :) | 11:32 |
Khertan | tybollt, haha | 11:32 |
ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, i don't believe anyone anymore | 11:32 |
Khertan | tybollt, in fact not :) | 11:32 |
tybollt | ;-P | 11:32 |
odin_ | ok I finally did the PR1.2 deed today (OneNAND + eMMC reflash), my WinXP PC was acting up yesterday | 11:32 |
ZogG_N900 | it's all lies around | 11:32 |
lucent | odin_: why reflash eMMC? | 11:32 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: not really a surprise that nobody knows what's going on | 11:33 |
Khertan | lol Surfa ... it s here the right channel :) | 11:33 |
odin_ | well its got bugger all data on it (as its not my main phone), and I wanted to the full Nokia device experience | 11:33 |
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Surfa | Khertan, i have plenty of right channels :) | 11:33 |
Surfa | problem is to talk about right thing on them :) | 11:34 |
lucent | I'm still wondering what flashing the eMMC does to add to the "experience" | 11:34 |
ZogG_N900 | why not. that's cool to reflash. | 11:34 |
Khertan | Surfa, exactly | 11:34 |
Khertan | :) | 11:34 |
ZogG_N900 | you know i was in army | 11:34 |
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timeless_mbp | Scelt: glad to hear you're appropriately jaded | 11:34 |
timeless_mbp | and sorry about that :( | 11:34 |
ZogG_N900 | and even ordaniry soldier perfore better if he knows reasons | 11:35 |
odin_ | it ensures all config files are reset and the correct formats, plus I get to pick my language and locale again on first boot! | 11:35 |
lucent | config files? hm | 11:35 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, that are in /home/user | 11:35 |
lucent | oh okay | 11:35 |
odin_ | wow the Terms and Conditions would take a whole day to read ! | 11:35 |
timeless_mbp | Deputy Editor, Nokia Conversations rhiain.morgan@republicpublishing.co.uk 079 8305 5495 | 11:35 |
timeless_mbp | cute | 11:35 |
* timeless_mbp grumbles | 11:35 |
timeless_mbp | EWTF | 11:36 |
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vanad1s | good morning | 11:36 |
vanad1s | are the nokia update servers currently down? | 11:36 |
ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, you want him to get spamed? not a good idea to put data here | 11:36 |
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Scelt | timeless_mbp: well, not talking about Nokia only. Big firms just are what they are. | 11:36 |
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lucent | uh-oh | 11:36 |
lucent | post PR1.2 my SIM is not registered | 11:36 |
ZogG_N900 | Scelt, not true | 11:36 |
lucent | that's bad... | 11:36 |
PhonicUK | hey all | 11:36 |
pupnik | check that the cellmo module loaded maybe lucent | 11:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 11:37 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: i got that person's contact info from google | 11:37 |
PhonicUK | anyone tried the meego release on their n900? | 11:37 |
timeless_mbp | and i fully intend to place a phone call to that person <now> | 11:37 |
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ZogG_N900 | Scelt, there are 2 options. or keep ur clients happy with support or inform | 11:37 |
odin_ | Hmm... "SMS - Nokia", "You are already registered to My Nokia. You will nopw start receiving Tips from your new Nokia." hmm... | 11:37 |
DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: oops | 11:37 |
* odin_ thinks ET Phone Home | 11:37 |
lucent | DocScrutinizer51: is this known bug? | 11:37 |
Stskeeps | odin_: that is really a wtf | 11:37 |
ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, update me with results | 11:38 |
ruskie | it says I'm subscribed as well even though I never subscribed | 11:38 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, do you have it? | 11:38 |
Stskeeps | yeah, same | 11:38 |
ruskie | it also doesn't let me unsubscribe | 11:38 |
* timeless_mbp nods | 11:38 |
ZogG_N900 | it's gentoo port time | 11:38 |
lucent | ZogG_N900: the SIM-with-crossout-line icon is displayed now, and no cell connectivity | 11:38 |
lucent | that's bad. what do I do | 11:39 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, have u took it out? | 11:39 |
timeless_mbp | anonymous voicemail :( | 11:39 |
lucent | ZogG_N900: I've tried re-seating it | 11:39 |
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ZogG_N900 | i mean before. try to take out and place it back | 11:39 |
DocScrutinizer51 | lucent: somebody had his contacts app act up until I recommended to ersase all SIM contacts | 11:39 |
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Lazy^ | Hello on fMMMS instructions it says: -Enter your phone number at last (without dash) <- Where i should put my phonenumber ? | 11:39 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: few things agravate me to the extent anon voicemail does when I REALLY need to get a hold of someone :-S | 11:39 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, try to reflash and try another sim as well | 11:39 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: *shrug* | 11:40 |
lucent | is there some commandline kung-fu I should do? | 11:40 |
timeless_mbp | the british version is better than the finnish version | 11:40 |
ZogG_N900 | who is the head of nokia and responsible for n900 ? ) | 11:40 |
timeless_mbp | the british version doesn't make any claim about who owns the mailbox | 11:40 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, i don.t think so | 11:40 |
Scelt | Lazy^: configuration | 11:40 |
timeless_mbp | the finnish version says something like "the person you are trying to reach ..." | 11:40 |
timeless_mbp | but since it's an anonymous box, how does it know it *is* the person i'm trying to reach? | 11:41 |
Lazy^ | Scelt: yes but where in there, i cant find any place for phonenumber | 11:41 |
ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, are u calling from n900? | 11:41 |
timeless_mbp | *i* don't know that! | 11:41 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: w/ SIP. | 11:41 |
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timeless_mbp | yep | 11:41 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: :P:P | 11:41 |
timeless_mbp | i don't have other phones, just n900s | 11:41 |
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ZogG_N900 | cause that your phone in ignore list | 11:41 |
Scelt | Lazy^: seems that it's unnecessary anymore. I didn't find it either | 11:42 |
ZogG_N900 | Lazy^, check the thread at tmo or ask frals | 11:42 |
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Scelt | Lazy^: so skip it | 11:42 |
ZogG_N900 | i failed test today | 11:42 |
asj_ | well that's lame, there's no good n900 mixer control | 11:43 |
Lazy^ | ok skipped it | 11:43 |
lucent | DocScrutinizer: I think I've got a handle on the issue | 11:43 |
ZogG_N900 | i want to get drunk. right now. it's hard to be russian | 11:43 |
thresh | not really | 11:43 |
lucent | DocScrutinizer: PR1.2 contains info that gets flashed, and is not downgraded when you get back to 1.1, which I think is what I manually flashed to my N900 | 11:43 |
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lucent | so it's not going to work until I get PR1.2 going again? that's the theory | 11:43 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, true | 11:44 |
ZogG_N900 | everything goes wrong | 11:44 |
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lucent | the strange thing is I thought I'd installed PR1.2 when I manually flashed | 11:45 |
lucent | exact command line was "sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R" | 11:45 |
ZogG_N900 | lucent, check in setting - about | 11:45 |
lucent | is that not PR1.2? | 11:45 |
ZogG_N900 | it's not | 11:45 |
lucent | ZogG_N900: settings->about says "Version: 1.2009.42-11.002" | 11:46 |
marmoute | Why are the 1.2 package not authenticate on my N900 ? (when I try apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 11:46 |
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ZogG_N900 | 10?. | 11:46 |
odin_ | the "Device Lock -> Lock Code" should be clearer, it should indicate it does not have a device lock code set on first use, not ask you for a code (and accept anything, this is confusing) | 11:46 |
ZogG_N900 | 10.2010.* | 11:46 |
* timeless_mbp cries | 11:46 |
timeless_mbp | i reached a colleague of rhiain's | 11:47 |
timeless_mbp | but my sip audio quality was bad | 11:47 |
odin_ | there should also be a mechanism to remove the device lock code, to its "unset" again | 11:47 |
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timeless_mbp | odin_: so... | 11:47 |
timeless_mbp | there's always a device lock code | 11:47 |
ZogG_N900 | timeless_mbp, try out video call on them ) | 11:47 |
timeless_mbp | the default is 12345 | 11:47 |
odin_ | nope it accepted my new code, as the existing code (which I take to mean, it accepts ANY CODE) | 11:47 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: the key is whether the device is actively <locked> | 11:47 |
odin_ | I entered my new code 3 times | 11:48 |
ZogG_N900 | odin_, so what's the point in lock? | 11:48 |
ZogG_N900 | haha | 11:48 |
odin_ | my code is not 12345 | 11:48 |
ZogG_N900 | someone forgot microsoft pen in the bus | 11:48 |
ZogG_N900 | odin_, it is ) | 11:48 |
ZogG_N900 | i wanna be happy again | 11:49 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: fwiw http://www.republicpublishing.co.uk/about/rhiain-morgan/ | 11:49 |
RST38h | ZogG: There is plenty of medications for that | 11:49 |
timeless_mbp | and she's a she :) | 11:49 |
odin_ | hmm I click the power button and "Lock screen and keys" doesn't appear to do anything (but activate backlight off) | 11:49 |
marmoute | No idea Why those pacage are not recognised as unauthenticated by my phone ? | 11:49 |
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tybollt | RST38h: :-D | 11:49 |
ZogG_N900 | RST38h, they are too expensive | 11:49 |
odin_ | hmm I click "Secure Device" and it ASKS me for a code, to secure it, if I click out of it, I get desktop back, Doh! | 11:50 |
lucent | oh... wow | 11:50 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: that's the idea... | 11:50 |
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ZogG_N900 | haha | 11:50 |
asj_ | well at least alsamixer works, but poo | 11:50 |
lucent | I just realized that I flashed the oldest version of firmware to my N900 | 11:50 |
timeless_mbp | you don't want to accidentally lock yourself out, do you? | 11:50 |
ZogG_N900 | odin_, u jailbroke it | 11:50 |
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ghostcube | lucent: hehe | 11:50 |
ghostcube | thats what i was asking for the package a bit earlier | 11:50 |
lucent | I thought the newest would be at the top of the page! I'm enraged at my stupidity | 11:50 |
ghostcube | lucent: its in the middle the latest thingies | 11:51 |
odin_ | I presume and hope you are being sarcastic timeless_mbp | 11:51 |
timeless_mbp | no | 11:51 |
lucent | ghostcube: thanks mate | 11:51 |
ghostcube | np | 11:51 |
odin_ | not sure on the jailbreaking, this is an eMMC+OneNAND reflash, my first action is to set and test device locking so far it has either failed or doesn't work like any other phone | 11:52 |
timeless_mbp | don't be presumptuous ;-b | 11:52 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: i tend to be serious first | 11:52 |
pupnik | where is kernel with fbcon now | 11:52 |
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marmoute | odin_: I assume they ask the code you *WILL* need to type again to unlock the phone | 11:53 |
ZogG_N900 | brb | 11:53 |
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timeless_mbp | marmoute is correct, as usual | 11:53 |
odin_ | I don't get this "Enter lock code to lock device" that is crazy, and if its meant to be a real feature needs a mechanism to turn it off | 11:53 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: it doesn't lock the phone unless you lock the phone... | 11:53 |
timeless_mbp | if you unlock the phone, it's unlocked | 11:53 |
timeless_mbp | it's quite simple | 11:53 |
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timeless_mbp | yes the design was by finns and is hardly brilliant, and the English text is disastrous | 11:54 |
odin_ | marmoute, I have already setup the code, I don't want to setup a unique code on the move (this is not a hotel with safe) its too easy to forget the number or type it incorrectly for that to be good UK | 11:54 |
odin_ | s/UK/UI/ | 11:54 |
infobot | odin_ meant: marmoute, I have already setup the code, I don't want to setup a unique code on the move (this is not a hotel with safe) its too easy to forget the number or type it incorrectly for that to be good UI | 11:54 |
timeless_mbp | but… it's still quite simple | 11:54 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: again | 11:54 |
timeless_mbp | the default code is 12345 | 11:54 |
timeless_mbp | if you don't enter the right code when you try to lock the phone, it won't let you lock it | 11:54 |
odin_ | I entered something else which was accepted, not 12345 | 11:55 |
timeless_mbp | if you change the lock code, then you will have to use <your> code to unlock it | 11:55 |
tybollt | hmm funny buig | 11:55 |
tybollt | after -> 1.2 | 11:55 |
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odin_ | I entered something else which was accepted, in the 1st step to changing the lock code | 11:55 |
* timeless_mbp sighs | 11:55 |
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timeless_mbp | the error messages are bad there | 11:55 |
* timeless_mbp goes for a rewrite | 11:55 |
tybollt | it seems the device no longer attaches the phone book name of an incomming sms number | 11:55 |
tybollt | that is just super weird | 11:56 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: the number is probably in multiple contacts | 11:56 |
tybollt | hmm | 11:56 |
tybollt | I shall check that | 11:56 |
tybollt | than ks | 11:56 |
timeless_mbp | sadly, checking that is hardly easy | 11:56 |
timeless_mbp | if you find an app for that, please let me know, thanks :) | 11:56 |
tybollt | ;) | 11:57 |
odin_ | when the device is "Secured" it doesn't clearly state across the top "This Device Is Secured" then "Enter unlock code to release" its like the page doesn't change | 11:57 |
ZogG | back here | 11:58 |
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odin_ | ok "Lock Screen and Keys" what is that meant to be doing.... the "Secure Device" looks like more major operation | 11:58 |
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timeless_mbp | odin_: my translation has "Lock" and "Disable input" | 11:59 |
timeless_mbp | or in your order "Disable input" and "Lock" | 11:59 |
timeless_mbp | does that help? | 11:59 |
* timeless_mbp considers "Prevent input" instead of "Disable input" | 11:59 |
odin_ | Lock Screen and Keys - for me, just deactivates the screen backlight, the right hand button reactivates the backlight (with no sign of any "lock") | 11:59 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: right, don't think about the nokia strings, think about mine :) | 12:00 |
alterego | Oh, sweet, meego v1.0 anyone used it yet? | 12:00 |
timeless_mbp | the nokia strings are bad of course :) | 12:00 |
lucent | the difference between "lock controls" and "lock with a password" are difficult in English perhaps? | 12:00 |
odin_ | well "Secure Device" is an ok label in my UK one | 12:00 |
timeless_mbp | lucent: the problem is that it was designed in finnish | 12:00 |
timeless_mbp | and the finns did the translation into english | 12:00 |
odin_ | ok thinking about yours.... you should have one "Turn Off Backlight" | 12:00 |
timeless_mbp | w/o considering related items | 12:00 |
odin_ | that is what my "Lock screen and keys" does | 12:01 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: not quite true | 12:01 |
lucent | it's not surprising, but your observation does ring true :) | 12:01 |
timeless_mbp | the screen can dim w/o preventing input | 12:01 |
alterego | Oh, is it still reference UI-less ... | 12:01 |
odin_ | but I also have a button for blacklight on right hand side, the non-latching slider | 12:01 |
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timeless_mbp | odin_: again, it's not controlling the backlight | 12:02 |
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odin_ | I bet the DRM system works 100% (sarcasm) | 12:02 |
timeless_mbp | it mostly prevents the screen from accepting input | 12:02 |
odin_ | what about _MY_ security | 12:02 |
timeless_mbp | it happens of course to generally mean that the screen is off | 12:03 |
ruskie | what DRM system? | 12:03 |
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timeless_mbp | but if you get a phone call, the screen won't stay off | 12:03 |
* odin_ looks on ebay for a lead box, that will keep it secure | 12:03 |
odin_ | ruskie, sorry it was a sarcastic reference to the Maemo Security teams current work for Maemo6/MeeGo1.x in relation to "Trusted Execution" and application licensing / application secure storage (which DRM can be built on top of) | 12:04 |
ruskie | doh | 12:05 |
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odin_ | ruskie, the sarcasm is due to glaring issues with personal/data security that exist in Maemo5 | 12:05 |
ruskie | that'll be part of MeeGo? | 12:05 |
odin_ | I believe so | 12:05 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: maemo didn't promise drm | 12:05 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: thank bob for that | 12:05 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: yeah well | 12:06 |
odin_ | these new features are a good thing, I just wish the usual security stuff I have on my Symbian handsets was also in Maemo/MeeGo | 12:06 |
timeless_mbp | bob's planning on taking a vacation | 12:06 |
alterego | Does the new search feature in the applications manager only search by application name? | 12:06 |
odin_ | timeless_mbp sure sure... well it was announced for Maemo6 but whatever that turns into for the next hardware device release, is then the promise is made for, so until that comes out, its still work-in-progress | 12:06 |
alterego | I think I prefered the old search system ... | 12:06 |
ruskie | odin_, what security stuff on symbian? | 12:07 |
pupnik | ruskie: which fbcon module / kernel are you using? homemade? | 12:07 |
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timeless_mbp | alterego: iirc it searches the one line descriptions too | 12:08 |
ruskie | pupnik, I used jebbas but with PR1.2 I'll need to roll my own | 12:08 |
odin_ | well my E72 (which is my primary phone), has working SIM locking, working device locking, working MMC encryption (but no idea how secure it really is!) | 12:08 |
odin_ | Im not so fussed about MMC encrpytion the community can deal with that but the other points are really something Nokia should be addressing | 12:08 |
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lucent | is it unwise to restore my application list from Restore when doing an upgrade PR1.1.1 -> PR1.2 ? | 12:09 |
odin_ | since they impact too much potentially close-source items and/or low level hardware, for which they are in the best position to address | 12:09 |
lucent | any reason not to Restore the app list? | 12:09 |
ruskie | device locking and sim locking? what's broken? | 12:09 |
RST38h | lucent: PR1.2 install has not removed any of my apps | 12:09 |
odin_ | the device doesn't lock! | 12:09 |
redeeman | argh, is there any way to get the onscreen keyboard back to how it was in 1.1? | 12:09 |
lucent | RST38h: okay, good feedback thanks | 12:10 |
alterego | timeless_mbp: thanks, I suppose that's not a complete set back. I'm going to try searching for "<up to 40 characters for description>" then :D | 12:10 |
ghostcube | redeeman: yeah the keyboard sux | 12:10 |
ghostcube | :D | 12:10 |
ruskie | odin_, does here | 12:10 |
redeeman | seriously this is insane, the old one worked so well | 12:10 |
redeeman | and this one is useless | 12:10 |
ghostcube | you cant hide it again by any key as you could in 1.1.1 | 12:10 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, hello. Yesterday u suggested using microb for google buzz. Well, after waiting a minute for gmail's web interface to load, it takes another minute when I've hit the buzz text enter widget. Just FYI | 12:10 |
* odin_ clicks Power Button, then he selects "Lock screen and keys", the backlight goes out, now he slides the right hand slider up and desktop some back (nothing was locked), it should STILL require me to "Slide the slider" | 12:11 |
timeless_mbp | MaikB: yeah, but it lets you pick pictures from URLs | 12:11 |
timeless_mbp | just like the real thing, since it is the real thing :) | 12:11 |
timeless_mbp | my desktop is probably 10x as fast as my phone | 12:11 |
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lucent | redeeman: I haven't got to playing with PR1.2 yet | 12:11 |
timeless_mbp | MaikB: were you using WiFi, 3.5, 3G, or GPRS? | 12:11 |
odin_ | ruskie, how do I enable the handset to _REQUIRE_ an unlock boot on bootup ? | 12:12 |
alterego | timeless_mbp: is that all? :P | 12:12 |
pupnik | imagine n900 with 4-row 14 column keybd :) | 12:12 |
redeeman | lucent: well i don't recommend you upgrade now, atleast not if you didn't have some major issue you know is fixed | 12:12 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, 10MBit via wireless | 12:12 |
lucent | redeeman: video calling | 12:12 |
ruskie | odin_, in settings device lock | 12:12 |
odin_ | ruskie, how do I set SIM locking, set PIN, activate, deactivate ? | 12:12 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, I guess its because of a ton of javascript that is executed | 12:12 |
redeeman | video calling is not worth not being able to type | 12:12 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: if you set Device Lock in control panel to some time interval | 12:12 |
ruskie | odin_, sim locking under settings phone iirc | 12:12 |
lucent | that, and I already attempted to install PR1.2 which caused endless rebooting, going back to PR1.1.1 causes my SIM to not be detected, so... stuck upgrading one way or another to PR1.2 | 12:13 |
timeless_mbp | and then walk away, it'll prompt you for you password after that time | 12:13 |
odin_ | ruskie, no I can see "Autolock" and "Change lock code", I want it to require code on power up | 12:13 |
timeless_mbp | if you don't enter the password | 12:13 |
timeless_mbp | then you are asked if you want to turn off the phone | 12:13 |
ruskie | odin_, it does here | 12:13 |
lucent | redeeman: I think the on screen keyboard is easily modified though | 12:13 |
timeless_mbp | when you turn it on again, it asks for the password | 12:13 |
ruskie | odin_, lemme dig it up | 12:13 |
timeless_mbp | the SIM Lock stuff is unrelated and is optional | 12:13 |
odin_ | ruskie, nope.. under phone I can't require device unlock code on SIM change ? | 12:14 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: you can't | 12:14 |
ruskie | on sim change??? | 12:14 |
timeless_mbp | but why is that interesting? | 12:14 |
odin_ | ruskie, yes Symbian phones do it, | 12:14 |
odin_ | its interesting to make my handset WORTHLESS when stolen | 12:14 |
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odin_ | you cant have the data, you can't resell it | 12:14 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: not true :) | 12:14 |
pigeon | is there a way to reset the accelerometer on the n900 without rebooting? | 12:14 |
pigeon | it seems to be stuck on one side | 12:14 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: i highly doubt that the symbian phones encrypt their entire memory | 12:15 |
ruskie | hmm last I checked my N95 didn't require any codes to switch SIMs as well | 12:15 |
ruskie | had to install an extra app for that | 12:15 |
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timeless_mbp | odin_: as such, it's merely smoke and mirrors | 12:15 |
timeless_mbp | which we're missing | 12:15 |
timeless_mbp | so you have one less useless feature to complain about | 12:15 |
timeless_mbp | is that a bad thing? | 12:15 |
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ruskie | odin_, yeah it locks for me... maybe you need to set an autolock timeout | 12:15 |
ruskie | it asks me for lock code AND SIM code when I bootup the thing | 12:16 |
timeless_mbp | real criminal groups can easily wipe the device | 12:16 |
alterego | Wow, Apple are now worth more than Microsoft. | 12:16 |
alterego | Being closed really does pay off! | 12:16 |
timeless_mbp | and you can also probe the device for its data w/o loading the os | 12:16 |
timeless_mbp | alterego: eh? | 12:16 |
odin_ | timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Security -> Phone and SIM card (PINcode, PIN2code, Keypad autolock, Phone autolock, Lock code, Lock if SIM card changed, Remote phone lockingClosed user group, Confirm SIM services) | 12:16 |
timeless_mbp | one closed company is worth more than another closed company? | 12:16 |
ruskie | need food bbl | 12:16 |
alterego | timeless_mbp: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10168684.stm | 12:16 |
timeless_mbp | alterego: i know | 12:17 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, did you ever test buzz with microb? | 12:17 |
timeless_mbp | it made bbc-wn-tv | 12:17 |
MaikB | Just wondering | 12:17 |
timeless_mbp | MaikB: i buzzed w/ it, yes | 12:17 |
skyscraper | yo i'm back | 12:17 |
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alterego | timeless_mbp: well, Apple are a new kind of evil realy. | 12:17 |
timeless_mbp | it worked well enough for my purposes | 12:17 |
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lucent | timeless_mbp: "Freedom from Pornography" | 12:17 |
odin_ | timeless_mbp, in my E72 I have menu items. Control Panel -> Settings -> Phone -> Encryption -> (Phone memory on/off, Memory card on/off) | 12:17 |
alterego | They've gone way past Microsoft in screwing over FOSS. | 12:17 |
timeless_mbp | alterego: nah, they're the same company, just more successful | 12:17 |
alterego | Heh | 12:17 |
redeeman | well this is a disappointment, i wonder wtf the people that created the new onscreen keyboard were thinking, obviously they're on some new designer drugs | 12:17 |
skyscraper | anyone NOW here knows anything about n900 audio in? | 12:17 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, I've hit publish, and it says "in progress.." for over a minute now | 12:17 |
MaikB | meh | 12:18 |
alterego | redeeman: I think it's in preparation for multi-touch and probably portrait mode. | 12:18 |
lucent | redeeman: relax, I said it, and the on screen keyboard is easily modified | 12:18 |
odin_ | so those are the features and the things that N900/Maemo/MeeGo should aim for | 12:18 |
alterego | Is the new kbd in Qt? | 12:18 |
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timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=e72+phone+decryption&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 12:18 |
timeless_mbp | sounds like the e72 crypto just gives people headaches | 12:18 |
timeless_mbp | alterego: no | 12:18 |
alterego | Oh well. | 12:18 |
timeless_mbp | the keyboard is still hildon | 12:18 |
redeeman | alterego: well multitouch isn't on this device :) | 12:18 |
chadi | is there a way to make the menu scroll in PR1.2 faster? | 12:18 |
alterego | redeeman: well, if it's not in Qt like timeless_mbp states, then I doubt what I said is the case ;) Maybe it's for a possible portrait implementation ;) | 12:19 |
odin_ | maybe, but as I stated somewhere above... I am not too fussed about eMMC/bulk encryption but all the other things are important ( I see the community as able to make bulk crypto good) | 12:19 |
* lucent cheers \o/ at the return of a working N900 phone with PR1.2 successfully installed | 12:19 |
skyscraper | oskeybd is sh** - watch the keyb from opera 10 for n900 very nice | 12:19 |
Corsac | the fact that it's done badly in e72 doesn't mean it couldn't be useful doing correctly on n900 :) | 12:19 |
redeeman | i like the old onscreen keyboard | 12:19 |
odin_ | ^^^ indeed | 12:19 |
odin_ | Take "Keypad autolock" and "Phone autolock" one is automatic activation of "Lock screen and keys" and the other is automatic activation of "Secure Device" | 12:20 |
pupnik | e72 design is great for portrait users | 12:20 |
skyscraper | i like that from opera. useful und iphone like | 12:20 |
ZogG | sooooo | 12:21 |
odin_ | but the Secure Device might want to have additional options about how to handle data connections, like WLAN/3G/USB and also indepenant firewall setting, like you might secure it by barring incoming connections but allow all outgoing, etc.. | 12:21 |
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odin_ | I can't wait for MeeGo in E72 format mono-block :) then I will have 2 MeeGo handset s:) | 12:21 |
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lucent | odin_: you've got to be kidding, about data connections. | 12:21 |
ZogG | redeeman, me too | 12:22 |
* timeless_mbp ponders | 12:22 |
skyscraper | so. now trying to search a "media markt" near to me with ovi maps xD | 12:22 |
timeless_mbp | the e72 claims to use AES | 12:22 |
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ZogG | does e72 get mego? | 12:22 |
ZogG | meego? | 12:22 |
odin_ | lucent, why ? one known hack of N900 security is that you can attack/access MMC via USB even when locked, maybe its fixed now, but I see it that the USER should be able to control this | 12:22 |
* timeless_mbp sighs | 12:22 |
* timeless_mbp hates nokia web content | 12:23 |
timeless_mbp | totally useless | 12:23 |
* timeless_mbp can't figure out what the e72 actually uses | 12:23 |
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lucent | odin_: it's not a core OS feature in so far as I am concerned | 12:23 |
lucent | you do the work, write the code, upload an app | 12:23 |
timeless_mbp | odin_: you can read the file system w/ special hardware | 12:24 |
timeless_mbp | just as you can for symbian phones | 12:24 |
timeless_mbp | and you can reset the phone | 12:24 |
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skyscraper | afk | 12:24 |
odin_ | lucent, indeed! | 12:24 |
timeless_mbp | your phones are not going to protect you from true evil | 12:24 |
timeless_mbp | true evil w/ time will win | 12:24 |
odin_ | my BeagleBoard clone is in the van outside my door, yippee! I went for IGEPv2 | 12:24 |
ZogG | hildon is part of maemo right? | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | yes | 12:25 |
TheGerman | is "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" ok to install then new firmware without flashing? | 12:25 |
ZogG | and maemo is prop. right? | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | well, maemo 5 and older :) | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | 'prop.'? | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | TheGerman: you don't want other repos enabled if you do that | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | and officially you should use app manager | 12:25 |
odin_ | lucent, my BeagleBoard thingy should help me address these "security" matters | 12:25 |
timeless_mbp | i don't think apt-get will say "hey, you don't have enough power not to fry me if you try this" | 12:26 |
ZogG | timeless_mbp binaries only, you can't take UI out that's what i mean | 12:26 |
timeless_mbp | (not certain) | 12:26 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: hildon is open source | 12:26 |
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ZogG | i was thinking to get maemo UIX on meego | 12:26 |
ZogG | =) | 12:26 |
Ikarus | TheGerman: I wouldn't recommend it, I dropped my N900 into a reboot loop | 12:26 |
pupnik | no fbcon in .37 kernel-power | 12:26 |
ZogG | timeless_mbp can i get it run on meego? | 12:26 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: um | 12:27 |
TheGerman | ZogG : orginal or poweruser kernel? | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | meego is a collection of bits | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | a linux kernel, and a userland | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | it doesn't include hardware | 12:27 |
Stskeeps | ZogG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-KQ6wPJ04 | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | but nothing about meego is so special that it would prevent other libraries from running on it | 12:27 |
lucent | Ikarus: ditto, reboot loop here when I tried installing PR1.2 OTA | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | *unlike* android | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | which has a special libc | 12:27 |
timeless_mbp | and special kernel | 12:27 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/E72/ | 12:27 |
ZogG | timeless_mbp it does as i understand part of them | 12:28 |
TheGerman | ZogG : have u installed the poweruser kernel before upgrade? | 12:28 |
timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is that finnish in the background? | 12:28 |
ZogG | TheGerman, nope, why would i? | 12:28 |
TheGerman | maybe this was the problem | 12:28 |
defragger | is it possible to add extras-devel to application manager? | 12:28 |
timeless_mbp | yeah, it is | 12:29 |
Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no idea | 12:29 |
ZogG | TheGerman, what problem? | 12:29 |
* timeless_mbp heard "noni" | 12:29 |
TheGerman | reboot loop | 12:29 |
ZogG | defragger, yes | 12:29 |
ZogG | TheGerman, i don't have one =) | 12:29 |
defragger | ZogG: what link? | 12:29 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: "joku viis vastausta" | 12:29 |
TheGerman | aww, sorry i mean Ikarus :D | 12:29 |
Aranel | how can I edit the new menu on PR1.2? | 12:29 |
ZogG | defragger ? | 12:29 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: it's Finnish | 12:29 |
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ghostcube | Aranel: touch the icons for 2 seconds | 12:30 |
* ZogG is confused | 12:30 |
defragger | ZogG: what do i have to add to my application manager to get to extras devel? | 12:30 |
Aranel | ghostcube: thanks =) | 12:30 |
ZogG | defragger, oh, just write it by hand | 12:30 |
Scelt | Aranel: push icon on menu for 2 secs | 12:30 |
TheGerman | Ikarus : same question :D | 12:30 |
Appiah | defragger: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel | 12:30 |
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ZogG | defragger, catalogues, new, and than fill the info | 12:30 |
defragger | oh cool thanks :) | 12:31 |
Appiah | check on the bottom of that page | 12:31 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: the spec page is useless | 12:31 |
Appiah | and read the warning on the top defragger :) | 12:31 |
timeless_mbp | sure it provides crypto apis to java | 12:31 |
Ikarus | TheGerman: no, using standard kernel | 12:31 |
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* timeless_mbp hates nokia web content | 12:31 |
ZogG | so who gonna leak nokia's drivers =) | 12:31 |
Aranel | do I have some missing icons? Like wifi icons? On PR1.2, there's no "signal strength icon" on the left on connection dialog, right? | 12:31 |
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timeless_mbp | there should be signal strength icons | 12:32 |
timeless_mbp | do you have a bad theme? | 12:32 |
timeless_mbp | someone else reported a theme which hurt the OSK | 12:33 |
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Aranel | timeless_mbp: using the default n-series theme. But I also have some other themes. | 12:33 |
TheGerman | hmh, ill make a backup and try it :D | 12:33 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: I didnt have any problem before the upgrade. | 12:33 |
ghostcube | Aranel: update through repos? | 12:33 |
Aranel | ghostcube: yes | 12:33 |
ghostcube | from terminal? | 12:34 |
ZogG | Aranel no you do TADA | 12:34 |
timeless_mbp | Aranel: there are 3 rings above the circle for wifi | 12:34 |
TheGerman | if it's in booting loop, i'll flash it with meego and then with pr1.2 :D | 12:34 |
Aranel | ghostcube: no. from HAM | 12:34 |
timeless_mbp | you can have 0, 1, 2, or 3 rings white | 12:34 |
timeless_mbp | i'm using digital nature | 12:34 |
timeless_mbp | which is the "other theme" | 12:34 |
ZogG | TheGerman, go with win6.5 | 12:34 |
timeless_mbp | nseries is **** | 12:34 |
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ghostcube | maybe try if the xterm apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade brings in some packages | 12:34 |
TheGerman | i just want try meego :D | 12:34 |
ZogG | timeless_mbp it's nice, but there thing with too much colours | 12:35 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: Reflect, Digital Nature, Nokia NSeries. | 12:35 |
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TheGerman | i hate rpm, but i am curious | 12:35 |
ruskie | I've modified digital nature to be well green | 12:35 |
ghostcube | rpm sux | 12:35 |
corecode | so is it true? | 12:35 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: I also had maemo-org and marina, removed before the upgrade. | 12:35 |
corecode | there is 1.2? | 12:35 |
ruskie | yup | 12:35 |
ghostcube | yo | 12:35 |
TheGerman | yep, its loading^^ | 12:35 |
corecode | heh | 12:35 |
ghostcube | i killed my 1.2 already lol | 12:36 |
corecode | meego? | 12:36 |
ghostcube | no maemo | 12:36 |
corecode | is there a preview available? | 12:36 |
ghostcube | of what? | 12:36 |
timeless_mbp | cute | 12:36 |
* timeless_mbp can't open themes | 12:36 |
corecode | meego | 12:36 |
timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping, can you open 'themes'? | 12:36 |
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* timeless_mbp crashes themes | 12:37 |
* timeless_mbp sighs | 12:37 |
timeless_mbp | sp3000: corematic's cert expired 12 days ago | 12:37 |
RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53996 (check the Join Dates) | 12:39 |
SWFu64 | Does anyone know i the monitor mode patch is in PR 1.2? | 12:39 |
timeless_mbp | SWFu64: eh? | 12:40 |
SWFu64 | Wireless monior mode patch | 12:40 |
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DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: (lock) I suggest "dim & lock touchscreen" and "security device lock" | 12:41 |
timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: 99% certain those don't fit | 12:41 |
DocScrutinizer | yeah, always the problem | 12:42 |
timeless_mbp | "Close application" is my widest string | 12:42 |
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timeless_mbp | you can have about 4 'n's longer than that string | 12:42 |
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DocScrutinizer | make that "screen lock" | 12:42 |
timeless_mbp | and it's a proportionally spaced font | 12:42 |
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DocScrutinizer | and "SECURE LOCK" | 12:42 |
DocScrutinizer | (capitals on purpose) | 12:43 |
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timeless_mbp | way too similar | 12:43 |
timeless_mbp | i'm considering "Lock" and "Prevent input" | 12:43 |
timeless_mbp | maybe "Pocket mode" | 12:43 |
DocScrutinizer | pocket mode is quite nice | 12:44 |
timeless_mbp | objections to Pocket mode? | 12:44 |
DocScrutinizer | :-D | 12:44 |
timeless_mbp | it goes nicely w/ Flight mode and Tablet mode | 12:44 |
DocScrutinizer | full acl | 12:44 |
Stskeeps | how about purse mode? | 12:44 |
DocScrutinizer | ack even | 12:44 |
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timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't think it'll fit into you average male's wallet :) | 12:45 |
DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: blargh, I'd expect it is like pw wallet | 12:45 |
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timeless_mbp | i think Pocket mode is a winner | 12:45 |
timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: btw, are you using my strings? :) | 12:46 |
timeless_mbp | ok, last thing | 12:46 |
timeless_mbp | "Device Lock" the item in Settings | 12:46 |
timeless_mbp | i *believe* that label is shared between the icon and the dialog <bug> | 12:46 |
timeless_mbp | it has two items "Autolock after" <interval> | 12:46 |
Stskeeps | i'm really wondering if most n900 owners are emo kids, they certainly seem so.. | 12:46 |
TomaszD | zaheerm, around? | 12:46 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:46 |
timeless_mbp | and "Change code" | 12:46 |
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DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: dunno | 12:47 |
timeless_mbp | dunno which? :) | 12:47 |
DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I'm not actively using any string | 12:47 |
DocScrutinizer | :-P | 12:47 |
timeless_mbp | you'd know it if you were using mine :) | 12:47 |
corecode | "not enough memory in target location"? | 12:47 |
corecode | what does it mean by that? | 12:48 |
timeless_mbp | corecode: is this from App manager? | 12:48 |
corecode | yes | 12:48 |
timeless_mbp | gimme a minute to get a translation? | 12:48 |
corecode | sure | 12:49 |
zaheerm | TomaszD, yep | 12:49 |
ZogG | timeless_mbp, in which language? | 12:49 |
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timeless_mbp | ZogG: well, i generally translate from Fingrish into English | 12:51 |
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timeless_mbp | but i can translate from Fingrish into nl-FI if you prefer | 12:51 |
ZogG | i prefer russian | 12:52 |
timeless_mbp | ru-FI is also available | 12:52 |
Aranel | It reverts back to default after pressing "Done" on menu customization. Why is that? | 12:52 |
timeless_mbp | Aranel: did you tap an item and tap a new location for the item? | 12:52 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: yes, after that I pressed "Done" and it didnt save. | 12:52 |
timeless_mbp | Aranel: are you using catorise? | 12:53 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: no | 12:53 |
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* timeless_mbp shrugs | 12:53 |
timeless_mbp | catorize (en-US locale display name) isn't compatible w/ that feature, so i don't use it | 12:54 |
Shapeshifter | PSX4All vs. PCSX - Which to choose? | 12:54 |
timeless_mbp | corecode: so, you probably hit sfil_ni_not_enough_memory | 12:54 |
timeless_mbp | which is a generic message :) | 12:54 |
Aranel | timeless_mbp: but I dont use Catorise or MyMenu | 12:55 |
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MaikB | timeless_mbp, I gave microb 20 minutes to buzz a message, it just stuck at the "in progress.." | 12:55 |
timeless_mbp | MaikB: hrm | 12:55 |
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timeless_mbp | corecode: what it probably means is that your root file system is too full to enable you to install the update | 12:56 |
timeless_mbp | (and that the people who did ham were too lazy to get their own error messages) | 12:56 |
timeless_mbp | # Information note presented when there is not enough memory to do the operation | 12:56 |
timeless_mbp | msgid "sfil_ni_not_enough_memory" | 12:56 |
timeless_mbp | msgstr "Not enough space in target location" | 12:56 |
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timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=sfil_ni_not_enough_memory&find=application-m | 12:57 |
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DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: s/memory/storage/G | 12:59 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, speaking of error messages... I had to flash 1.2 onto my N900. The update dialog told me so without giving me the reason. I tried to find a log file that contains the relevant infos, but I didn't found one. Is there one? | 12:59 |
DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: memory == RAM on most parts of the educated world | 13:00 |
vanad1s | corecode, "not enough memory in target location" -> got this error too | 13:00 |
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timeless_mbp | MaikB: i think the answer is that there isn't really | 13:01 |
DocScrutinizer | fingrish->English: "not enough free storage space on target drive" | 13:01 |
timeless_mbp | if you use apt-get you can find out what's conflicting (in theory) | 13:01 |
vanad1s | currently trying to free as much space as possible | 13:01 |
timeless_mbp | vanad1s + corecode: keep in mind that you need to free space from the root file system | 13:01 |
MaikB | timeless_mbp, i c | 13:02 |
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timeless_mbp | which is not reported in "Storage" in Settings | 13:02 |
vanad1s | timeless_mbp: but how much does it need? And how do i check, how much i have? | 13:02 |
timeless_mbp | vanad1s: i think 60mb is enough (don't you dare quote me!) | 13:02 |
timeless_mbp | and df -h / | 13:02 |
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timeless_mbp | vanad1s + corecode: the simplest way to free space is to disable all the repositories you don't need | 13:03 |
timeless_mbp | esp "extras" and "extras-devel" | 13:03 |
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DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 13:03 |
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timeless_mbp | there's a wiki faq page for this, DocScrutinizer++ | 13:03 |
DocScrutinizer | please see /topic | 13:03 |
vanad1s | oh great, thx | 13:03 |
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BugBlue | dear f**** nokia, I already have PR1.2 I don't need to surf to your website just after the update | 13:04 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: eh? | 13:04 |
timeless_mbp | what did it do?! | 13:04 |
BugBlue | I just got an SMS from nokia that there is 'new software with nice features at nokia.com/softwareupdate/ or so' | 13:05 |
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BugBlue | after I upgraded I got an SMS 'welcome back to OVI' | 13:05 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: you must have opted in for 'My Nokia' | 13:05 |
BugBlue | seems that my phone does send some information to nokia | 13:05 |
timeless_mbp | welcome to cherry | 13:05 |
BugBlue | time to opt-out | 13:05 |
timeless_mbp | it's a mandatory feature for all nokia products | 13:05 |
timeless_mbp | it's in Settings near 'About' | 13:06 |
timeless_mbp | http://www.nokia.com/softwareupdate/ | 13:06 |
timeless_mbp | Oops. Lost? | 13:06 |
timeless_mbp | Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available. | 13:06 |
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BugBlue | unsubscribe | 13:06 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: what was the exact url? | 13:06 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: clicking outside the box is appaerently also opt-in then.... | 13:07 |
DocScrutinizer | LOL | 13:07 |
BugBlue | nokia.com/softwareupdate without a / | 13:07 |
BugBlue | Ikarus: like thinking outside the box? :P | 13:07 |
Ikarus | and clicking unsubscribe doesn't seem to unsubscribe | 13:07 |
ghostcube | wow flashing is fast | 13:07 |
Ikarus | BugBlue: :) | 13:07 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: thanks, wow, they're clever | 13:08 |
ghostcube | if i knew this yesterday i had done it direct :D | 13:08 |
DocScrutinizer | "activate MyNokia?" [yes] [ok] [go ahead] [continue] | 13:08 |
Ikarus | I don't need more spam | 13:08 |
BugBlue | let me see how much this charges me on my phone bill later this week | 13:08 |
DocScrutinizer | "deactivate MyNokia?" [no] [abort] [back] [exit] | 13:09 |
Ikarus | BugBlue: if they are premium I am demanding money back from Nokia :P | 13:09 |
BugBlue | 21 cents... seems to be normal SMS costs | 13:10 |
Ikarus | yeah, looks like it | 13:10 |
BugBlue | which means I lost 42 cents for this joke | 13:10 |
timeless_mbp | it costs you 21c for 1 sms? | 13:10 |
timeless_mbp | wow? | 13:10 |
BugBlue | timeless_mbp: yes, I have no SMS plan | 13:10 |
BugBlue | I *never* sms | 13:10 |
BugBlue | timeless_mbp: I pay for roaming internet in the EU only 5 EUR/Day flat fee | 13:11 |
DocScrutinizer | BugBlue: here in Germany some reseller sold Nokia smartphones with SIM contract with NO dataplan (means you pay by the KB), phone did a update and user had to pay 450EUR ;-P | 13:11 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: I have unlimited HSDPA, why would I want SMS (although mine are only 17 cents) | 13:11 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: youch | 13:11 |
Shapeshifter | BugBlue: that is quite awesome | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: um | 13:11 |
Ikarus | Shapeshifter: it's called T-mobile | 13:11 |
BugBlue | Shapeshifter: Ikarus has the same plan I presume :-) | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | 5 EUR/day flat sounds amazing | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | does that include data? | 13:11 |
Ikarus | BugBlue: yup | 13:11 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: ofcourse | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | **** | 13:11 |
BugBlue | timeless_mbp: that's data roaming .. call roaming costs a lot more | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | ?! | 13:11 |
Shapeshifter | who needs calls | 13:11 |
timeless_mbp | i want your provider | 13:11 |
BugBlue | timeless_mbp: that's why I call via SIP when abroad | 13:11 |
BugBlue | Shapeshifter: I do... with SIP via 3G :P | 13:12 |
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timeless_mbp | if i roam for a week in Europe, i typically hit 1000EUR | 13:12 |
Shapeshifter | whoa | 13:12 |
BugBlue | if I roam for a week in europe I do hit about 35 EUR | 13:12 |
timeless_mbp | (two phones) | 13:12 |
BugBlue | my E51 uses my N900 for uplink | 13:12 |
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timeless_mbp | actually maybe it's closer to two weeks | 13:13 |
* timeless_mbp tries to calculate if 11 days is closer to 1 or 2 weeks :) | 13:13 |
timeless_mbp | BugBlue: wifi sharing? | 13:13 |
DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: ever considered Iridium or Suraya? They can't be any more expensive :-P | 13:13 |
Ikarus | PAN I assmume | 13:13 |
Ikarus | assume | 13:14 |
timeless_mbp | Ikarus: n900 doesn't have pan out of the box.. | 13:14 |
* timeless_mbp isn't even sure if s60 has pan support | 13:14 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: it has | 13:14 |
BugBlue | timeless_mbp: wifi... but I now do have to upgrade the kernel again | 13:14 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: my laptop was just connected via bluetooth PAN | 13:14 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: what the N900 doesn't have is PAN client mode | 13:14 |
* BugBlue off to lunch | 13:14 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: but it works as a gateway | 13:14 |
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timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwNWviK5z0Q | 13:15 |
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DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: aiui both do even CSD data, suraya at an incredible price per minute of <0.3$ iirc | 13:15 |
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* timeless_mbp ponders | 13:15 |
Ikarus | it's what my fight with DBus is all about, getting my laptop to log on via PAN without using NetworkManager | 13:15 |
timeless_mbp | what would that get me at 1.22USD = 1EUR for 1000EUR? | 13:15 |
timeless_mbp | that's 3 days continuous use | 13:16 |
vanad1s | f***, i guess i'm just gonna reflash the device | 13:16 |
timeless_mbp | if i got my math right | 13:16 |
timeless_mbp | that's about a week or so | 13:16 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: *shudder* | 13:16 |
Ikarus | I am glad with my 5 euro a day limited plan | 13:17 |
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timeless_mbp | Ikarus: as long as i don't go over 1000eur, it doesn't matter | 13:17 |
Ikarus | even if I do have to call when they kick me down to dial up rates after some time | 13:17 |
DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: not via satellite though :-P | 13:17 |
Ikarus | timeless_mbp: your boss must be awesome | 13:17 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: heh | 13:17 |
Trewas | data roaming can be somewhat expensive, for example upgrade to pr1.2 while roaming with finnish SIM in russia is about 1400 euros | 13:17 |
Ikarus | Trewas: ... | 13:17 |
Ikarus | Trewas: you haven't tried that right | 13:17 |
timeless_mbp | ... | 13:17 |
Trewas | Ikarus: of course not, but I am going to visit there for a couple of days and checked the prices... now I know to be careful :) | 13:18 |
Ikarus | Trewas: Russia is dead expensive roaming | 13:18 |
Ikarus | 3 euro/minute stuff | 13:18 |
DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: in Russia the few stupid have to pay for all the hacked phones to keep the service up and running :-P | 13:19 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: heheh | 13:19 |
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ghostcube | wow the flashing killed my sd card with all my backups on it | 13:19 |
Trewas | 11 euros per megabyte in russia with DNA as operator, and it is not that much cheaper even in EU countries | 13:19 |
ghostcube | -.- | 13:20 |
Ikarus | ghostcube: then you did it WRONG | 13:20 |
Ikarus | Trewas: uh, as said, BugBlue and me have 5 euro a day max unlimited EU roaming | 13:20 |
Ikarus | Trewas: from T-mobile | 13:20 |
ghostcube | Ikarus why should i ? | 13:20 |
Ikarus | ghostcube: normally flashing doesn't touch your SD card or the /home and MyDocs sections | 13:20 |
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ghostcube | yeah my sd is killed | 13:21 |
* DocScrutinizer considers to put BIG FAT WARNING to wiki, to remove SIM and uSD(!!!) before updating | 13:21 |
ghostcube | its damaged i think its becaus of taken out the batterie | 13:21 |
arachnist | DocScrutinizer: why remove sim? | 13:21 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: you're not the first one reporting such issue | 13:21 |
ghostcube | damn | 13:21 |
Ikarus | ghostcube: that is just bizarre | 13:21 |
ghostcube | yep ... but it happened | 13:21 |
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DocScrutinizer | arachnist: just to be on the safe side | 13:21 |
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pupnik | my sim icon is dead. but i havent rebooted | 13:22 |
DocScrutinizer | arachnist: there was a case yesterday where the contacts app crashed 2s after start, until all SIM borne contacts were deleted | 13:22 |
loufoque_maemo | is it normal i'm still not offered OTA ? | 13:22 |
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DocScrutinizer | arachnist: for obvious reasons I guess the erase was done on another phone | 13:23 |
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ghostcube | ok, i need a new sd its broken | 13:24 |
ghostcube | cant get access to it | 13:24 |
Ikarus | but erm, reformatting the SD not sufficient ? | 13:24 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: is there a bug up on the N900 killing uSD and SIM cards ? | 13:24 |
ghostcube | 40 euros for the trash | 13:24 |
Ikarus | ghostcube: call Nokia | 13:24 |
Shapeshifter | mhh. I installed openttd, openttd-data and openttd-opengfx and still, if I launch it, I get "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat'". Do i really need to get the file manually from somewhere and place it somewhere else? I can't remember having done that when I installed openttd on PR1.1.1... | 13:25 |
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Ikarus | (although they can argue that their EULA exempts them from this, most EU countries have laws banning such exclusions) | 13:25 |
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noobmonk3y | hmmmmm has the ovi update happenned? http://www.cellbharat.com/blog/7774/nokia-n900-gets-version-1-2-firmware-update/ Suggests there is more content, cant see it at all though | 13:27 |
DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: no, SIM contacts kill contacts app ocasionally. Also there were at least 2 reports about corrupted uSD now | 13:27 |
visz | noobmonk3y, it's all lies | 13:27 |
noobmonk3y | as per usual :P | 13:27 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: yes, but corrupt I get, but unable to recover even with formatting | 13:28 |
Ikarus | I can't imagine how | 13:28 |
DocScrutinizer | nah, not seen yet. Either card is borked from beginning, or a new partitioning and mkfs should recover it | 13:28 |
DocScrutinizer | yet to see a SD card being eaten by a device completely | 13:29 |
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Shapeshifter | Mh. My desktops are kinda empty. there really aren't too many good widgets. any favourites? | 13:32 |
* noobmonk3y laughs | 13:32 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: if the card's MBR is corrupt, it might not be mounted at all, and this resulting in FM doesn't show it | 13:32 |
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ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: yep seems so | 13:33 |
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ghostcube | i calling nokia at the moment | 13:33 |
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DocScrutinizer | I never tested how N900 handles uSD with corrupt MBR. Anyway I suggest you do a complete fresh format of the card on your PC | 13:34 |
ghostcube | nokia told me, so i have used the maeomo flasing tool | 13:34 |
ghostcube | they dont care if its borked | 13:34 |
ghostcube | its not recommended | 13:35 |
ghostcube | o.O | 13:35 |
ghostcube | wtf | 13:35 |
DocScrutinizer | huh? | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | well, the official way is NSU | 13:35 |
* noobmonk3y throws a B0rked trout @ frals | 13:35 |
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noobmonk3y | Stskeeps: the official borked way? :) | 13:35 |
* frals throws a whale at noobmonk3y | 13:35 |
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noobmonk3y | frals: interesting | 13:35 |
tybollt | heh | 13:35 |
* DocScrutinizer trows a galaxy at noobmonk3y and frals | 13:36 |
* noobmonk3y throws frals at a whale | 13:36 |
* noobmonk3y eats the galaxy | 13:36 |
ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: i cant tell more they just told me dont use the flashing tool o maemo.org | 13:36 |
* noobmonk3y farts | 13:36 |
ghostcube | :| | 13:36 |
* tybollt throws a noobmonk3y at the whale | 13:36 |
* noobmonk3y giggles in mid air | 13:36 |
Stskeeps | This software is work-in-progress and use of this software requires special skills and knowledge. The software and the instructions provided herein or with the software may not be complete. Improper use or installation of this software may harm the device you are installing it into, or the device you are using it with. By accepting the following License Agreement you also agree to use this software at your own risk and accept that ... | 13:36 |
Stskeeps | ... Nokia assumes no liability and does not provide any warranties, support or services related to the software. | 13:36 |
Stskeeps | :P | 13:36 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: I can't comment on that. I don't understand that | 13:36 |
noobmonk3y | lmfao my n900 is jhonny 5 | 13:37 |
tybollt | jhonny 5? | 13:37 |
noobmonk3y | i'm watching it sit flat on a desk swapping between portrait and landscape on it's own | 13:37 |
noobmonk3y | johnny5* alive! | 13:37 |
timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: which is that? | 13:37 |
noobmonk3y | (80's film) | 13:37 |
ghostcube | number 5 lives | 13:38 |
DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: OVI self destructor app | 13:38 |
tybollt | Stskeeps: Everytime I read those disclaimers and what not I am thinking to myself they could just replace the text w/ "Hi customer - FUCK YOU! bye..." | 13:38 |
timeless_mbp | thanks,, i think i'll pass :) | 13:38 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt =~ s/customer/sucker/ | 13:39 |
ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: best is i told the guy on the phon eoTA crashed and i need the flasing utility cause your nsu sux | 13:39 |
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ghostcube | he told me he cant do anything for me | 13:39 |
SpeedEvil | tybollt: I'm astounded that they don't get people to actually read them. | 13:39 |
noobmonk3y | tybollt: i think they would phrase it differently "Oh shit we have a customer.... what shall we do, run , run for the hillllllllllls!" | 13:39 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: customer == sucker >:) | 13:39 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: I hope he answered RTFW | 13:39 |
tybollt | run tio the hills run for your liiiiiife.... | 13:39 |
Ikarus | Stskeeps: guess what, those terms don't survive in most European courts | 13:39 |
tybollt | aaah the nostalgia >:) | 13:39 |
SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 | 13:39 |
povbot` | Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. | 13:39 |
timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: awesome | 13:40 |
noobmonk3y | bug 10261 | 13:40 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. | 13:40 |
noobmonk3y | meh | 13:40 |
DocScrutinizer | ~tell ghostcube about flashing | 13:40 |
noobmonk3y | bot's are on form today | 13:40 |
noobmonk3y | ~tell frals where to stick his trouts | 13:40 |
tybollt | ~tell tybollt to fuck off | 13:40 |
ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: i did it this way upadte worked fine | 13:40 |
ghostcube | only sd get killed | 13:41 |
noobmonk3y | [11:40] <infobot> No, noobmonk3y, I won't. (target invalid?) | 13:41 |
noobmonk3y | lol! | 13:41 |
tybollt | =) | 13:41 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: so please REFORMAT your SD | 13:41 |
SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Killed - or erased? | 13:41 |
* noobmonk3y throws bacon at lcuk | 13:41 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: ...as bitching about flasher tool won't help recover it | 13:41 |
ghostcube | must check dont have an real card reader for usd | 13:41 |
timeless_mbp | someone please send ian stirling a box of candies for me? | 13:42 |
timeless_mbp | i'll send money to pay for the candy | 13:42 |
ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: iam not bitchin about flaher tool nokia does lol | 13:42 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: why? | 13:42 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: the bug above ^^ | 13:42 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: and knowing you diss terva leijona - those candy are probably pretty icky tasty :P | 13:42 |
timeless_mbp | that he actually read the license and spent the time to explain why it was totally broken | 13:42 |
tybollt | tasting | 13:42 |
DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: FWIW I added a warning to the wiki page | 13:43 |
timeless_mbp | tybollt: i'd hope they'd send him candy he'd appreciate | 13:43 |
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timeless_mbp | i'm not going to pay someone to send him poison! | 13:43 |
ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: yeah thats good ! | 13:43 |
tybollt | timeless_mbp: :-D | 13:43 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: do link to relevant bugs | 13:43 |
Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: warnings without clear explaination are a scourge | 13:43 |
DocScrutinizer | Ikarus: I don't even know if there are | 13:43 |
Ikarus | heh, ask the affected uses | 13:43 |
Ikarus | users | 13:43 |
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Ikarus | that is you ghostcube | 13:43 |
corecode | apt-get clean was sufficient | 13:44 |
corecode | dunno why that is on root | 13:44 |
ghostcube | :) | 13:44 |
DocScrutinizer | corecode: because apt isn't optified? | 13:46 |
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corecode | sad | 13:46 |
timeless_mbp | corecode: we improved the stuff users should officially use | 13:46 |
DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 13:46 |
infobot | well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 13:46 |
timeless_mbp | not the stuff that happens to be there but isn't for general use | 13:46 |
timeless_mbp | if we hack the underlying levels | 13:47 |
timeless_mbp | then experts will complain that we messed with it | 13:47 |
corecode | heh | 13:47 |
corecode | silly experts :) | 13:47 |
corecode | thanks anyhow | 13:47 |
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DocScrutinizer | create a decent dedicated partition on eMMC for /usr and /var, and nuke optification | 13:47 |
RST38h | Doc: and then the whole system becomes even slower | 13:48 |
timeless_mbp | and it might not boot | 13:48 |
timeless_mbp | if it needs stuff from /usr before /usr is available | 13:48 |
DocScrutinizer | RST38h: possible, but not inevitably | 13:48 |
DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: that's a simple matter of doing the init right | 13:49 |
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timeless_mbp | 'simple' | 13:49 |
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DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: of course /usr is supposed to be mounted before init scripts access stuff from there | 13:49 |
DocScrutinizer | btw that's the whole rationale of /usr | 13:50 |
DocScrutinizer | always been | 13:50 |
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DocScrutinizer | /usr per definitionem holds the stuff not needed for booting | 13:51 |
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RST38h | "Symbian^3 to launch on non-Nokia handset, courtesy of 'Asian vendor'" | 13:51 |
* RST38h suspects there is an internal war going on at Nokia | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer | init -s MUST succeed with a completely borked or even removed /usr drive | 13:52 |
asj_ | RST38h: Nokla go go! ;) | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer | same for /home, and /var | 13:52 |
RST38h | The only possible explanation for this part of news | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason ~root is on / | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer | and not on /home | 13:53 |
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SpeedEvil | timeless: As it happens - nokia is sending me money. But for a study on usability, and just the once. :) | 13:53 |
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SpeedEvil | Also - anyone that can - substiting the candy for broken n900s :) | 13:54 |
Stskeeps | dneary: thanks for the book recommendations, managed to get producing oss and art of community.. getting peopleware some other time | 13:55 |
dneary | Stskeeps, Cool | 13:55 |
dneary | Glad to help | 13:55 |
Stskeeps | is good to put words on experiences | 13:55 |
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DocScrutinizer | RST38h: if you need to faststart a particular app that resides on /usr, you are free to symlink it back to /MyFaststartUsrAux/fastapp.a on NAND | 13:57 |
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DocScrutinizer | or simply move it from /usr/bin to /bin | 13:57 |
Shapeshifter | Is there someway of telling where stuff will get installed to when doing an apt-get install? As in, I want to do apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* but I want to see if everything will go to opt, first. | 13:57 |
SpeedEvil | should libraries be optified? | 13:58 |
Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: why not | 13:58 |
SpeedEvil | I noticed a couple of packages in extras-testing that pulled in perhaps 10 meg of libraries onto / as dependancies | 13:58 |
Shapeshifter | optified and symlinked | 13:58 |
frals | heh, i like going from 21170 function calls (20851 primitive calls) in 13.204 CPU seconds to 20391 function calls (20072 primitive calls) in 3.848 CPU seconds | 13:58 |
tybollt | SpeedEvil: the sheer fact you have to ask saddens me... what a total catastrophe this optification is :-| | 13:58 |
tybollt | frals: ? what's that | 13:59 |
frals | improved code :-) | 13:59 |
noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: Healthcheck pulls in 40mb now ;) | 13:59 |
DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: exactly. Though pymaemo-optify doesn't use symlinks, it uses bindmounts instead | 13:59 |
SpeedEvil | tybollt: I mean - is libraries it pulls in being non-optified a reason for QA fail? | 13:59 |
asj_ | SpeedEvil: if there is an option to fix the library I would say yes | 14:00 |
DocScrutinizer | ~tell tybollt about optification | 14:00 |
* corecode waits for update | 14:00 |
corecode | DocScrutinizer: how is the usb host mode going? | 14:01 |
achipa | SpeedEvil: depends on the lib. If they are your libs -> fail. Nokia's libs -> sigh and wave along | 14:01 |
SpeedEvil | corecode: slow progress. | 14:01 |
DocScrutinizer | sleeping for 2 days | 14:01 |
SpeedEvil | achipa: I mean from a random app I go to install from testing - to evaluate for extras | 14:02 |
tybollt | DocScrutinizer: what are you on about? | 14:02 |
tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I know that | 14:02 |
DocScrutinizer | we got 2 new hackers to the club, which will need some time to catch up | 14:02 |
tybollt | that doesn't change the fact :) | 14:02 |
DocScrutinizer | tybollt: just felt like... :-D sorry | 14:02 |
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Shapeshifter | so. awesome. I did apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins* and after it unpacked most of the stuff it says "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-pplugins-ulgy_0.10.10.2-1maemo2_armel.deb E: Sub-process /usr7Bin/dpkg retuned an error code (1)". Oh why do people think that apt is awesome again? Can never hear enough of it. Just look at this highly descriptive error message... In any case, free ... | 14:02 |
Shapeshifter | ... space on rootfs dropped from 90 to 81mb. apt-get clean doesn't change that fact. But apt didn't even install anything. | 14:03 |
pvanhoof | When I click "Maemo5" in the application manager's update list, it tells me to use some software on my PC instead. What is this about? | 14:03 |
achipa | SpeedEvil: that's what I say. If the libs are from Nokia, it's not a fail. If they are community libs, it's a fail (unless there is a very good reason/precedent why the given lib is not optified) | 14:03 |
DocScrutinizer | and javispedro was a little busy the last few days | 14:03 |
Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: conflicting packages or not enough space on rootfs | 14:03 |
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pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, can I figure out which packages conflict? | 14:04 |
achipa | SpeedEvil: for example most Qt libs are not optified, but it's not a QA fail to write Qt apps | 14:04 |
Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting#How_to_find_out_about_conflicting_packages.3F | 14:04 |
pvanhoof | rhanks | 14:04 |
Shapeshifter | and where the hell are the apt logs? | 14:04 |
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DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:05 |
SpeedEvil | achipa: yeah - it's just a hell of a pain to work out library ownership. | 14:05 |
* asj_ grumbles, I wonder if I can get Nokai Messaging working again | 14:06 |
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pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, apt-get upgrade doesn't give me conflicts | 14:06 |
pvanhoof | Shapeshifter, can I safely answer Y ? | 14:06 |
DocScrutinizer | NOO! | 14:06 |
pvanhoof | no worries, i didn't | 14:06 |
Shapeshifter | pvanhoof: meh there's lots of room for failure. Just backup, then use flasher. | 14:07 |
Shapeshifter | But seriously, how do I clean up this mess apt just made | 14:07 |
DocScrutinizer | please see /topic | 14:07 |
DocScrutinizer | RTFW | 14:07 |
Shapeshifter | I fucking HATE apt. it's so broken. | 14:07 |
zaheerm | pvanhoof, the biggest culprit seems to be libgles1-sgx-img | 14:07 |
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visz | hmh | 14:08 |
pvanhoof | aha | 14:08 |
Shapeshifter | apt-get autoremove: "the following packages have unmet dependencies: gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg Depends gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly blablabla | 14:08 |
Shapeshifter | FAIL | 14:08 |
DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: install find-utils (I *HATE* BUSYBOX!), the remove all files and drawers newer than xy | 14:08 |
pvanhoof | zaheerm, aha brainparty | 14:08 |
pvanhoof | that used that | 14:08 |
pvanhoof | and tuxrace | 14:08 |
visz | evopedia on n900 serves only one wiki-page. needs to be restarted for another | 14:08 |
pvanhoof | ok, getting rid of those | 14:08 |
zaheerm | pvanhoof, yep i had those 2 installed also :) | 14:08 |
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vanad1s | so, i gonna reflash my n900 | 14:09 |
Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I doubt that'll work. I'd probably delete a couple of temp files from some hildon stuff or whatever and apt would be confused as to why the files are gone but still in the db and so on | 14:09 |
vanad1s | how do i give it more space on rootfs? | 14:09 |
DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: maybe | 14:10 |
Shapeshifter | and where's the log file, anyway... | 14:10 |
Shapeshifter | can't find it. | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: but isn't apt already confused to hell | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer | ? | 14:10 |
Shapeshifter | nah. it just failed while "unpacking" | 14:10 |
Shapeshifter | and yeah it's confused. that's because it sucks | 14:10 |
Shapeshifter | but I guess that's normal | 14:10 |
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Shapeshifter | Don't tell me apt doesn't have a log file on maemo5... | 14:11 |
pvanhoof | zaheerm, my new hero, that did it :) | 14:11 |
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DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sure, it's stored in /dev/null/apt/ | 14:11 |
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pvanhoof | now the app manager accepts the update | 14:11 |
Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: xD | 14:12 |
corecode | wow slow update | 14:12 |
Shapeshifter | nah this is a joke isn't it | 14:12 |
Shapeshifter | no log file? | 14:12 |
Shapeshifter | .... | 14:12 |
Shapeshifter | how is anyone supposed to know what's going on then | 14:12 |
DocScrutinizer | sorry, just kidding. No idea | 14:12 |
zaheerm | pvanhoof, enjoy the update :) | 14:12 |
pvanhoof | thanks for the support zaheerm | 14:13 |
pvanhoof | you should blog this :) | 14:13 |
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zaheerm | pvanhoof, lol it is in some talk.maemo.org thread, should be enough i think...i have blogged enough this past week | 14:14 |
DocScrutinizer | pvanhoof: no, you should add it to http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting | 14:14 |
Shapeshifter | oh god how stupid is this. unbelievable that there is a single person standing up for this rubbish package management system | 14:14 |
Termana | DocScrutinizer, is it alright to pm you? | 14:15 |
DocScrutinizer | Termana: go ahead | 14:15 |
zaheerm | dockane, surely you want OTA-to_PR1.2_troubleshooting page created | 14:15 |
DocScrutinizer | but don't sell me a new washing machine :-P | 14:15 |
DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: I guess that's ETAB | 14:16 |
vanad1s | reflashing finished, works perfectly | 14:16 |
pvanhoof | docscrutinizer, will do | 14:16 |
alterego | When's this Ovi update occuring any one know? | 14:16 |
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zaheerm | alterego, depends if you believe nokia conversations blog | 14:17 |
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DocScrutinizer | zaheerm: sure a new page would be better, but then otoh I think the 1.1 version just needs little update and a change of the title | 14:17 |
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alterego | zaheerm: don't see anything on the blog? | 14:17 |
hrw | sygic landed in ovi store | 14:18 |
pvanhoof | added | 14:18 |
alterego | I heard it was today .. | 14:18 |
pvanhoof | update is installing | 14:19 |
pvanhoof | nice :) | 14:19 |
pvanhoof | exciting! | 14:19 |
zaheerm | alterego, it said today.....but timeless says it isn't | 14:19 |
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sivang | is PR1.2 out already? ;) | 14:19 |
alterego | zaheerm: ah, cool. Well, I'm not too bothered, would have been nice to try out some of those new games though. | 14:19 |
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zaheerm | sivang, the topic says it all | 14:20 |
zaheerm | ;) | 14:20 |
sivang | I hoped to try some of the OVI app wizard apps on N900, but the site said it is uncompatible | 14:20 |
sivang | zaheerm: o :) | 14:20 |
ghostcube | hola | 14:20 |
ghostcube | i recognized the programms have an own backup list? | 14:21 |
ghostcube | cool less work for damaged backup owners | 14:21 |
ghostcube | :D | 14:21 |
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ghostcube | o the only thing i lost now with the sd formating by what ever it was are my settings | 14:22 |
sivang | how do I check my PR version again? | 14:22 |
ghostcube | hmmm this is ok so far | 14:22 |
ghostcube | menu systeminfo? | 14:22 |
corecode | boot progress bar? | 14:22 |
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SpeedEvil | sivang: settings - about product | 14:22 |
sivang | SpeedEvil: 3.2010.02-8 | 14:23 |
* sivang wonders if he can cat /etc/lsb-release | 14:23 |
sivang | :) | 14:23 |
SpeedEvil | sivang: that's 1.2 | 14:23 |
SpeedEvil | err | 14:23 |
SpeedEvil | i mean 1.1.1 I think | 14:23 |
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* SpeedEvil becomes confused. | 14:23 |
sivang | SpeedEvil: so we need a translation table somewhere | 14:23 |
sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 14:23 |
sivang | timeless_mbp: How do you know what PR you have on the device? | 14:24 |
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SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:24 |
tybollt | yeah | 14:24 |
lardman|gone | 10.2010.19-1 is PR1.2 | 14:24 |
SpeedEvil | 1.2 is 10.2010.19 | 14:24 |
SpeedEvil | ... | 14:24 |
lardman|gone | or at least the legacy version I flashed | 14:24 |
corecode | \o/ updated | 14:24 |
sivang | so I have to the OTA flasher if so? | 14:25 |
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sivang | and can go onw tih the instructions ? | 14:25 |
timeless_mbp | sivang: in "About" or "About Product" in Settings it'll tell you the version | 14:25 |
sivang | timeless_mbp: yes, it just says a what is for me (and an iphoner) a cryptic version number :) | 14:25 |
timeless_mbp | sivang: bugzilla has a table | 14:26 |
sivang | lardman|gone: so the pR will be out in october? | 14:26 |
timeless_mbp | i used to maintain a table in my blogs | 14:26 |
timeless_mbp | and there was a wiki page | 14:26 |
lardman|gone | sivang: ? It's out now | 14:26 |
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sivang | lardman|gone: right, so even a "guess" at this cryptic version number yields nonsesne:) | 14:27 |
timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Release_history | 14:27 |
sivang | is P1.2 makes the device at least a bit faster? | 14:27 |
SpeedEvil | sivang: Seemingly, in some aspects. | 14:27 |
sivang | SpeedEvil: nice to hear, and the a fix for something I reported should be there, so I wanna test :) | 14:28 |
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sivang | timeless_mbp: thanks dude | 14:29 |
visz | meh | 14:29 |
visz | extended call log app doesn't seem to work with 1.2 | 14:29 |
ghostcube | this programm reinstall tool is fine folks :) | 14:30 |
ghostcube | i have all back again | 14:30 |
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timeless_mbp | visz: eh | 14:32 |
timeless_mbp | iirc it did stuff for me | 14:32 |
tybollt | argh | 14:32 |
* tybollt hates at nookla | 14:32 |
jaska | mokia?:) | 14:33 |
timeless_mbp | visz: yeah, extended call log works fine here | 14:33 |
ivan4th | FYI: I've managed to upgrade repartitioned N900 with /usr on eMMC (it was done long ago on PR1.0 according to ruskie's instructions). the command was apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1 osso-wlan=3.0.17+0m5 Before rebooting, I've merged changes in /etc/init.d/rcS and kept /etc/event.d/rcS-late that was before upgrade | 14:33 |
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ivan4th | changes in /etc/event.d/rcS-late in PR1.2 seem to be related to optification which I don't need | 14:34 |
Shapeshifter | ivan4th: aint that awfully slow at times? | 14:34 |
ivan4th | Shapeshifter: mostly during reboots, but I don't reboot often | 14:35 |
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krakan_ | 1337 | 14:37 |
timeless_mbp | visz: what version of extended call log are you using? | 14:37 |
timeless_mbp | i have 0.4 | 14:37 |
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Stskeeps | mm, i need some kind of very simple wiki hosting place, ideally without signup, just some | 14:38 |
Stskeeps | for one page | 14:38 |
Stskeeps | any recommendations? | 14:38 |
alterego | wikipedia? :) | 14:39 |
alterego | Stskeeps: what's the nature of the pagE? | 14:39 |
Wolfie | Stskeeps: github? | 14:40 |
Stskeeps | alterego: semi-private temporary collaboration, text | 14:40 |
smoku | ivan4th: what is the advantage of this setup? | 14:40 |
smoku | Stskeeps: wikia.com ? | 14:40 |
alterego | Stskeeps: google docs? | 14:40 |
alterego | I'm not talking out of experience though, I personally don't use any google services. | 14:40 |
alterego | But I've heard people use things like docs and other services I think they even have a whiteboard of some sorts. | 14:41 |
Wolfie | i guess google wave should work well for collaboration | 14:41 |
tybollt | At least googlers provides OTA calendar | 14:41 |
tybollt | ¤)%&!¤"#(%"#= nokia doesn't :-| | 14:41 |
tybollt | )%(!"#¤%()?"? | 14:41 |
MohammadAG | yes | 14:41 |
Shapeshifter | mh. since PR1.2 something keeps resetting my xkbmap to something like en_US I'm guessing. I want "ch". I use the same minor modifications to rx-51 as with PR1.1.1 and I'm 100% sure that they're not the problem. | 14:42 |
tybollt | MohammadAG: yes!? | 14:42 |
Shapeshifter | anyone else experiencing this? | 14:42 |
MohammadAG | tybollt, &!&&#+€$, in short, yes | 14:42 |
* tybollt dips MohammadAG in chocolate and throws him to the lesbians... | 14:42 |
MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, haven't changed them | 14:42 |
tybollt | MohammadAG: ah sorry, yes | 14:42 |
MohammadAG | o.O | 14:42 |
MohammadAG | tybollt, sorry for what? | 14:43 |
tybollt | hehe :) | 14:43 |
MohammadAG | :P | 14:43 |
corecode | anybody found out what the "join chat room" thing does in conversations? | 14:43 |
timeless_mbp | corecode: it should work if you use skype | 14:44 |
corecode | no skype | 14:44 |
timeless_mbp | to let you join a skype group chat | 14:44 |
corecode | xmpp | 14:44 |
corecode | ohhm | 14:44 |
corecode | now it is twiddling | 14:45 |
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tybollt | "join chat room" -> first step to being arrested by FBI on grouns of misconduct w/ children >:) | 14:45 |
MohammadAG | i'm really not sure who crippled the convos app | 14:45 |
MohammadAG | it scrolls up on its own and / commands don't work | 14:46 |
noobmonk3y | OooooooooooooOOooo one new app on ovi store - go Nokia :P lol | 14:46 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: can you verify bug 6141 for me? :) | 14:47 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6141 "Maemo Software" should be "Maemo Devices" | 14:47 |
tybollt | noobmonk3y: seriously? that's it? "new and improved ovi store" = one new app? | 14:47 |
noobmonk3y | tybollt: pretty sure they havnt actually done anything yet | 14:47 |
tybollt | bug 666 | 14:47 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666 Problems with Javascript setTimeout function | 14:47 |
noobmonk3y | or if they even are lol | 14:48 |
noobmonk3y | bug 1 | 14:48 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 14:48 |
noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo | 14:48 |
tybollt | bug 99999999999 | 14:48 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99999999999 was not found. | 14:48 |
noobmonk3y | the bug was not found or the device was not found? | 14:48 |
tybollt | =D | 14:48 |
Corsac | bug -1 | 14:48 |
kehna | Guys I can't seem to back up my n900 or install new applications, Is there a way to back up stuff manually such as my contacts list? | 14:48 |
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tybollt | *** povbot` connection reset by peer | 14:49 |
timeless_mbp | kehna: technically, yes | 14:49 |
tybollt | ;) | 14:49 |
noobmonk3y | kehna - how good are you at leaching sql db's? | 14:49 |
SpeedEvil | kehna: Do you have a SD card? | 14:49 |
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tybollt | bug 1 | 14:49 |
timeless_mbp | kehna: do you have a usb cable attached? | 14:49 |
kehna | I have the usb cable | 14:49 |
timeless_mbp | is it attached? | 14:49 |
tybollt | Corsac: I think you killed povbot =) | 14:49 |
kehna | yes | 14:49 |
Corsac | naah | 14:49 |
timeless_mbp | because it's hard to back up data when you have no volumes available | 14:49 |
tybollt | bug 3127 | 14:49 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3127 *.maemo.org goes to repository.maemo.org | 14:49 |
tybollt | argh :) | 14:49 |
plastun | hello! what is the best: making symbolic link to /opt/... using debina/rules or opstins script? | 14:49 |
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timeless_mbp | and volumes typically are exported to your pc when you use the usb cable | 14:49 |
plastun | *debian | 14:50 |
Shapeshifter | mh. how do I initiate a skype video call? I only see "skype call" in the contact, and if I do that I can't enable the camera | 14:50 |
kehna | through pc suite? | 14:50 |
plastun | *postinst | 14:50 |
timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: if you're in a skype call you can tap the title area to try to start video | 14:50 |
MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, the other party needs to have a vid cam | 14:50 |
Shapeshifter | ah | 14:50 |
timeless_mbp | but normally you'd want to find someone who advertises a video camera | 14:50 |
timeless_mbp | in which case you'd see a 3rd item | 14:50 |
Shapeshifter | I can't see "skype IM" either | 14:50 |
MohammadAG | (well for the option to show in there) | 14:50 |
timeless_mbp | note that you can't advertise camera when you aren't online | 14:50 |
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MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, the person hates you | 14:50 |
Shapeshifter | she uses skype for linux | 14:51 |
timeless_mbp | i know, it's stupid, you can't leave video voicemail via skype | 14:51 |
MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, she hates you :P | 14:51 |
timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: get her wine-skype or windows :) | 14:51 |
Shapeshifter | oh noes | 14:51 |
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ivan4th | smoku: I did it when I needed some SDK packages to be able to use gcc etc. on device itself. The main advantage is no problem with running out of rootfs space | 14:52 |
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noobmonk3y | i think there is confusion on the ovi update - as May 27 last year Ovi store was updated, i bet you someone is regurgitating last years news without reading the date | 14:53 |
ruskie | hmm I guess I don't know how to use feeding it | 14:53 |
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SpeedEvil | ivan4th: I cheated | 14:55 |
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SpeedEvil | ivan4th: cp -ax / /home/user/data/chroot | 14:55 |
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visz | timeless_mbp, ah, i have version 0.3 | 14:56 |
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timeless_mbp | visz: should you perhaps check for updates? :) | 14:58 |
timeless_mbp | or maybe i need to vote to promote it out | 14:58 |
visz | 0.3 is the version on maemo-extras | 14:59 |
MohammadAG | lcuk, how many MBs did build-essential use up? | 14:59 |
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visz | timeless_mbp, 0.4 seems to be working | 15:05 |
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timeless_mbp | visz: =) | 15:06 |
timeless_mbp | visz: so 0.4 isn't promoted? | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | let's fix that! :) | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | help, how do we promote something? :) | 15:07 |
visz | extras-devel also had working conversations inbox desktop widget | 15:07 |
timeless_mbp | ? | 15:08 |
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visz | 1.1.1 vs. 1.0.4 in extras | 15:09 |
visz | latter one didn't run on PR 1.2 | 15:09 |
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noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 15:10 |
timeless_mbp | help, how does one get http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extcalllog/0.4/ promoted? | 15:10 |
timeless_mbp | do we have to beg the maintainer? | 15:10 |
noobmonk3y | Angry birds description on ovi says - "Each of the 21 levels requires logic, skill, and brute force " - am i right in assume thats bollocks, and there is only 3 levels? | 15:10 |
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MohammadAG | hmm | 15:10 |
MohammadAG | 21 levels | 15:10 |
tybollt | 3 levels | 15:10 |
tybollt | then YOU PAY | 15:10 |
MohammadAG | 21! | 15:10 |
MohammadAG | nope | 15:11 |
tybollt | ;) | 15:11 |
MohammadAG | 21 without paying here | 15:11 |
Wolfie | no, there's 21 levels, then you can (eventually, i hope) buy two level packs more | 15:11 |
noobmonk3y | 21?! | 15:11 |
MohammadAG | yeah | 15:11 |
noobmonk3y | omfg - i need to re-dload back later! | 15:11 |
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Wolfie | well, it's just one level pack, but there's 2x21 levels in that | 15:11 |
MohammadAG | http://maemo.nokia.com/ovi-store-promo/ kinda stupid, they could've made them linked to an .install file to update | 15:12 |
SpeedEvil | And 63 levels is not enough! | 15:12 |
SpeedEvil | I was at the point of trying to beat my high-scores of ***'d levels. | 15:13 |
MohammadAG | there are 2 more packs afaik | 15:13 |
noobmonk3y | has bounce got better yet? hehe | 15:13 |
noobmonk3y | hmmm no update for me :| | 15:13 |
MohammadAG | yeah, it bounces a bit higher now | 15:13 |
noobmonk3y | unless they mean pr1.2? | 15:13 |
MohammadAG | nah, my user agent is borked | 15:13 |
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pigeon | oh, new ovi store out already? | 15:15 |
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nidO | no | 15:15 |
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tybollt | they said day after 1.2 release | 15:16 |
tybollt | so. | 15:16 |
timeless_mbp | they lie :) | 15:16 |
Wolfie | i just wish someone would get off their asses and re-re-put the angry birds pack back online | 15:16 |
pigeon | i'm looking forward to that roller coaster game too | 15:17 |
MohammadAG | same | 15:17 |
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MohammadAG | not sure if i'll actually play it, but the graphics chip is kinda wasted | 15:18 |
nidO | im still really happy with spb brain evolution that showed up on ovi a week or two ago | 15:18 |
MohammadAG | oh? | 15:18 |
tybollt | "I'm still happy there is now an (one!) app on ovi store" | 15:18 |
tybollt | yeah... | 15:18 |
tybollt | wow | 15:18 |
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Netrum | Hi all :) | 15:24 |
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noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooo | 15:25 |
noobmonk3y | I r Angry Birding lol | 15:25 |
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Netrum | i installed ubuntu to flash my phone. and i havent touched windows since. starting to like this more and more :) | 15:27 |
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Netrum | is there a ovi suite type of program for linux? | 15:33 |
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GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, ping? | 15:33 |
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tybollt | MohammadAG: "andry bird sounds"? android bird sounds??? | 15:34 |
MohammadAG | angry :) | 15:34 |
Netrum | you guys bored or something ? | 15:34 |
MohammadAG | lol | 15:34 |
MohammadAG | nah | 15:34 |
tybollt | =) | 15:34 |
MohammadAG | just got home from an epic MW2 game | 15:34 |
MohammadAG | got a nuke | 15:34 |
Netrum | never played that game online :) | 15:35 |
MohammadAG | tbh i never played any cod game online, then someone invited me into a game and now i'm at lvl 70 :) | 15:36 |
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Netrum | i havent played anything online since eve in may last year. | 15:37 |
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Netrum | and recently the only game i've played is mahjong on the n900 | 15:38 |
SpeedEvil | Hmm... | 15:38 |
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* SpeedEvil wonders why anything accessing /home/ is deadlocking. | 15:38 |
SpeedEvil | The processes show as 'D' in ps | 15:38 |
SpeedEvil | And nothing in dmesg | 15:39 |
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jaska | s/7700/770/ | 15:40 |
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auenf | Netrum, why not play tetris, its in portrait mode ;) | 15:44 |
auenf | it is (was?) in portrait mode on n810 also | 15:44 |
adeus | yeah Mahjong | 15:45 |
adeus | I'm hooked playing it | 15:45 |
Scelt | is anyone else having problem with power management that opening up keyboard opens properly the screen but putting it back again doesn't lock the screen as it used? | 15:45 |
auenf | isnt that by design? | 15:46 |
timeless_mbp | Scelt: at least for my basic test, that works | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | steps: 1. close keyboard. 2. use hardware slider to lock screen. 3. open keyboard. 4. close keyboard | 15:47 |
timeless_mbp | actual result: screen is off | 15:47 |
TheGerman | yay, boot loop :D | 15:47 |
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auenf | but if you do something, it doesnt lock, which iirc is by design | 15:47 |
MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, that's the expected result | 15:48 |
Scelt | timeless_mbp: seems to work now :> don't know what happened. I tested it like dozen times | 15:48 |
MohammadAG | it prevents accidental slides | 15:48 |
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auenf | if you (start closed): lock device, open slider, tap dashboard, close slider | 15:49 |
TheGerman | wow, it comes up, after upgrading without flashing, but it shows strange effects :D | 15:49 |
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auenf | it doesnt turn the screen off, which afaik is by design | 15:50 |
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KMFDM | anyone able to help me troubleshoot an issue with the NSU | 15:50 |
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zogg_laptop | timeless_mbp, have you talked to him? | 15:51 |
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timeless_mbp | ? | 15:51 |
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Shapeshifter | mh. I can't un-capitalise letters at the beginning of a sentence anymore. shift+letter or shift, pause, letter don't make it lower case anymore since PR1.2 | 15:52 |
Shapeshifter | I have to do something like Oo-left-backspace to get "o" | 15:52 |
Shapeshifter | Oo-left-backspace-right actually | 15:52 |
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Scelt | Shapeshifter: reported bug | 15:52 |
MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, I use space, noticed that too | 15:52 |
Scelt | bug 10310 | 15:53 |
povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 can't write a lower case letter after a dot even if you'd do it with shift | 15:53 |
Shapeshifter | okay | 15:53 |
Shapeshifter | funny that they didn't notice this in 3 months of testing | 15:53 |
Scelt | yea :( | 15:53 |
MohammadAG | i noticed it with the sdk packages a month ago | 15:54 |
KMFDM | my nokia software updater refuses to finish downloading hte new firmware | 15:54 |
MohammadAG | but thought it might not be final :/ | 15:54 |
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KMFDM | even with another phone it tries to resume a download at 33.6megs and then fails | 15:54 |
KMFDM | if i knew where it temporarily saves firmware images | 15:54 |
KMFDM | i assume i could delete the failed download and get it to work | 15:54 |
KMFDM | but it doesn't save the temporary download in a standard location | 15:55 |
KMFDM | and it fails to resume it | 15:55 |
KMFDM | even with a different phone | 15:55 |
KMFDM | (also an n900) | 15:55 |
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KMFDM | it attempts to resume the same failed download | 15:55 |
MohammadAG | which OS? | 15:55 |
KMFDM | windows | 15:55 |
KMFDM | nokia software updater | 15:55 |
KMFDM | xp | 15:55 |
KMFDM | sp3 32bit | 15:55 |
MohammadAG | it's in common data afaik | 15:55 |
KMFDM | common data? | 15:56 |
KMFDM | whee is that? | 15:56 |
pigeon | hmm, the new HAM has no sort? | 15:56 |
MohammadAG | not sure on xp | 15:56 |
KMFDM | this is the nokia software updater | 15:56 |
Disconnect | I learned the hard way not to trust the backup app. for some unknown reason the n900 saved a bunch of the photos (an entire bachelor/wedding trips worth of candids in fact) to the main storage. then didn't back them up (cuz, you know, who wants anything as useless as PICTURES?) | 15:56 |
KMFDM | there isn't one for linux | 15:56 |
MohammadAG | KMFDM, look up a how to hack a 5800 | 15:56 |
Disconnect | just a warning for anyone else doing an upgrade.. | 15:56 |
MohammadAG | it should tell you where the files are | 15:57 |
MohammadAG | or use flasher-3.5 on linux | 15:57 |
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zogg_laptop | who tried meego on n900? | 15:57 |
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MohammadAG | not interested enough | 15:58 |
zogg_laptop | i want to see screenies of twm | 15:58 |
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MohammadAG | twm? | 15:59 |
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MohammadAG | isn't it only an X server now? | 15:59 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, nope as i understand | 16:00 |
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KMFDM | MohammadAG, the image is not on the phone yet | 16:00 |
KMFDM | its on my computer | 16:00 |
zogg_laptop | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Tips_and_tricks/TWM_WM | 16:00 |
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MohammadAG | ~flashing | 16:00 |
infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:00 |
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zogg_laptop | KMFDM, it should be on the computer ^ read what bot said | 16:01 |
zogg_laptop | ~pr1.2 | 16:01 |
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infobot | well, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:01 |
zogg_laptop | ~nokia | 16:01 |
infobot | nokia is, like, a cellphone company from Finland. | 16:01 |
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KMFDM | ive read through all that 30 times | 16:01 |
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KMFDM | it does not tell me where the nokia sofware updater saves its temporary firmware downloa | 16:01 |
KMFDM | which is where my issue is | 16:01 |
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GAN900 | KMFDM, why is that your issue? | 16:02 |
sx0n | ~kumisaapas | 16:02 |
SpeedEvil | ~finland | 16:02 |
infobot | finland is probably some bloody scandinavian icicle, or nice place to live in :} | 16:02 |
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sx0n | :) | 16:02 |
KMFDM | GAN900, the NSU attempts to resume a failed download at 33.6mb complete teach time | 16:02 |
KMFDM | then throws a failed download error | 16:02 |
KMFDM | and does this teach time | 16:02 |
KMFDM | b/c the server went down when it was attempting the first download | 16:02 |
zogg_laptop | KMFDM, you get img, you run flasher with command from wiki, you connect phone and do what it said on wiki, voullla | 16:03 |
tybollt | hmmm | 16:03 |
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tybollt | maybe I should install meego tonight? | 16:03 |
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GAN900 | KMFDM, then don't use NSU? | 16:03 |
GAN900 | KMFDM, why not update on device? | 16:03 |
KMFDM | that fails | 16:03 |
KMFDM | i have too much crap installed | 16:03 |
GAN900 | KMFDM, or use the flasher if that doesn't work. | 16:03 |
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KMFDM | and can't tell what is optified and what isn't | 16:03 |
GAN900 | NSU sucks | 16:03 |
zogg_laptop | kmfdm, just wait for pr1.3 | 16:04 |
tybollt | Is there a way to turn off | 16:04 |
Scelt | http://research.nokia.com/news/549 | 16:04 |
GAN900 | ~flasher | 16:04 |
infobot | rumour has it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 16:04 |
Scelt | sx0n: The text featured on a PowerPoint presentation at Motorola some years ago bluntly described how America's top cell phone maker lost global leadership in the 1990s: "So, what happened? A little known rubber-boot company from Finland kicked our butt." | 16:04 |
GAN900 | Follow the instructions for the commandline flasher. | 16:04 |
GAN900 | Scelt, now Nokia is a joke in the US. | 16:04 |
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Scelt | GAN900: sure. thanks to apple and google. motorola should be dead already | 16:05 |
MohammadAG | what's motorolalala? | 16:05 |
MohammadAG | :P | 16:05 |
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ghostcube | KMFDM: take out your sd card before you flash the device | 16:05 |
MohammadAG | why | 16:06 |
ghostcube | it can be killed liek mine and nokia says we dont care | 16:06 |
ghostcube | :) | 16:06 |
MohammadAG | cause it's not because of flasher | 16:06 |
MohammadAG | or flashing | 16:06 |
ghostcube | it is | 16:06 |
MohammadAG | don't blame it on flasher | 16:06 |
MohammadAG | got proof of that? | 16:06 |
ghostcube | i flashed and my sd card was clean like a baby popo | 16:06 |
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ghostcube | yeah it worked before the flashing with ota update | 16:07 |
tybollt | MohammadAG: s/canada/flasher/? | 16:07 |
zogg_laptop | hahah | 16:07 |
MohammadAG | and how did you deduce it's because of the update? | 16:07 |
zogg_laptop | tybollt, dnot nice | 16:07 |
ghostcube | the same happened for 1.1.1 | 16:07 |
MohammadAG | hardware defect then | 16:07 |
ghostcube | but there i could change the card at amazon | 16:07 |
ghostcube | nope new card guy | 16:07 |
zogg_laptop | ghostcube, yu should call ghostbusters | 16:08 |
MohammadAG | N900 hw defect... | 16:08 |
tybollt | zogg_laptop: You from .ca? :) | 16:08 |
ghostcube | nope n900 works fine | 16:08 |
zogg_laptop | tybollt, thank's g-d no | 16:08 |
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MohammadAG | ghostcube, no one had your problem | 16:08 |
tybollt | | 16:08 |
tybollt | ' | 16:08 |
KMFDM | ha i found the failed download by searching for rx51 | 16:08 |
ghostcube | thtas incorrect | 16:08 |
KMFDM | it was in G:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Nokia\Nokia Service Layer\A\nsl_service_module_00001\vpls\www.dsut.online.nokia.com.oti.caresuite\Products\rx-51 | 16:08 |
zogg_laptop | tybollt, same place as MohammadAG, different country =)) | 16:08 |
KMFDM | deleting the failed download did indeed fix the issue | 16:09 |
KMFDM | my phone is upgrading | 16:09 |
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ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: ping | 16:09 |
MohammadAG | NSU is kinda... stupidj | 16:09 |
zogg_laptop | KMFDM, format c: and than get ubuntu live cd | 16:09 |
MohammadAG | umm | 16:09 |
wazd | hello people :) | 16:09 |
wazd | Stskeeps: around? :) | 16:09 |
ghostcube | MohammadAG: btw there is an announce on the flöasher page for this what happened to me | 16:09 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, how would he burn the disc w/o windows? | 16:09 |
zogg_laptop | wazd 'uuuuup? | 16:09 |
ghostcube | take out sd card ! | 16:09 |
wazd | zogg: o/ | 16:09 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, with laser eyes | 16:09 |
zogg_laptop | wazd, so let's make habrapp for maemo =) | 16:10 |
MohammadAG | ghostcube, i've never had problems with my SD card in while updating | 16:10 |
MohammadAG | or flashing | 16:10 |
ghostcube | iam not the only one.. so something must be a problem | 16:10 |
zogg_laptop | i don't have sd card | 16:10 |
MohammadAG | and I've flashed more than 35 times now | 16:10 |
KMFDM | zogg_laptop, i also run ubuntu on this computer, but NSU is easier | 16:10 |
zogg_laptop | KMFDM, flash took 3 mins | 16:11 |
zogg_laptop | evn less | 16:11 |
wazd | zogg: I thought they have pretty pathetic API | 16:11 |
zogg_laptop | no windows anywhere | 16:11 |
wazd | zogg: no commenting and stuff | 16:11 |
zogg_laptop | wazd, highlight here, desktop in other room would be pissed off if it knows i'm using laptop | 16:11 |
zogg_laptop | wazd, it was joke, just can't stand it anymore, al these droid news all over it, damn habrahabr | 16:12 |
zogg_laptop | wazd r u from ua or ru? | 16:12 |
wazd | zogg_laptop: moscow :) | 16:13 |
* pupnik hopes he never has to reboot | 16:13 |
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zogg_laptop | http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ | 16:14 |
zogg_laptop | 2d ui for n900? | 16:15 |
zogg_laptop | or maybe not =) | 16:15 |
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hrw | zogg_laptop: it is more for 1024x600+ resolutions | 16:17 |
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MohammadAG | hrw, nope, should work on the N900 | 16:21 |
thresh | doh metromap is painfully slow | 16:22 |
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hrw | MohammadAG: I know that it can work. I saw it on 800x480 screen already | 16:23 |
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fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Hi | 16:27 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, hi | 16:27 |
fiferboy | Did I fix all the tabs in my patch? | 16:28 |
ftrvxmtrx | no, but I fixed them in git rebase -i :) | 16:28 |
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fiferboy | Oops. I really should have changed that in VIM before starting on the code | 16:29 |
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ftrvxmtrx | btw, help message box doesn't rotate even if created with parent set | 16:30 |
ftrvxmtrx | I think it's because the string is too long | 16:30 |
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fiferboy | Hmm, it worked for me. Both with the win message and lose message | 16:30 |
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fiferboy | In English, that is. | 16:30 |
tybollt | oh that is just lovely | 16:31 |
tybollt | you can "merge" contacts on your mobile | 16:31 |
ftrvxmtrx | yes, this box work fine, but another one, which shows help message, doesn't | 16:31 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: You could change it to a QMaemo5InformationBox and see if that works in portrait and landscape | 16:31 |
tybollt | but yOU CAN'T FUCKING UNMERGE THEM | 16:31 |
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tybollt | %!)#%"(=%="#¤) | 16:31 |
fiferboy | Ah, the help message one. I didn't look at that. | 16:31 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, yep, QMaemo5InformationBox rotates as it should, but it doesn't show whole string, only part of it | 16:32 |
ftrvxmtrx | I will investigate it later | 16:32 |
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MohammadAG | tybollt, watch your fscking language | 16:35 |
MohammadAG | we have kids in here *points at noobmonk3y* | 16:35 |
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tybollt | MohammadAG: :-( I am crying now | 16:38 |
tybollt | MohammadAG: kplzthks?! | 16:38 |
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zogg_laptop | tybollt, that makes me feel good | 16:38 |
tybollt | :) | 16:38 |
MohammadAG | tybollt, lies | 16:38 |
zogg_laptop | at least someone feels terrible as me | 16:38 |
tybollt | zogg_laptop: what's up? | 16:38 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, stfu, you don't understand the meaning of life | 16:38 |
zogg_laptop | tybollt, terrible, everything is terrible | 16:39 |
* tybollt tried leveling w/ mohammad - or else he'd throw frals at me... :P | 16:39 |
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MohammadAG | there is no life, we're all in one huge matrix | 16:39 |
tybollt | zogg_laptop: why what happened? | 16:39 |
* MohammadAG nontheless throws frals at tybollt | 16:39 |
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MohammadAG | in all seriousness, zogg_laptop what's wrong? | 16:40 |
zogg_laptop | tybollt, exams, army, some shit i need to do, driver test failure, work, don't have time to finish something(so wouldn't get 1k$) | 16:40 |
zogg_laptop | terrible | 16:40 |
MohammadAG | exams? | 16:40 |
tybollt | zogg_laptop: :-/ Army? Where you at? | 16:40 |
MohammadAG | driver test failure, I'm not surprised, a friend got it @ 6th try | 16:40 |
MohammadAG | IL sucks :) | 16:40 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i have reserve army at the time of the exams of colledge | 16:40 |
tybollt | ah IL | 16:40 |
tybollt | yeah | 16:41 |
tybollt | general draft in IL is pretty menacing | 16:41 |
tybollt | from what I heard you can't easily get out of the draft in .il by faking madness or faking gayness or such? | 16:41 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, aren't you 27-ish? | 16:41 |
zogg_laptop | MohamemadAG, it was fine first 3 times (they just need one not to pass) b, but this time it was really my mistake | 16:41 |
zogg_laptop | oh and i need to find new appartment and don't have time and money to move there | 16:41 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, 24 this month | 16:42 |
MohammadAG | oh that life, nope i'm still 16 :/ | 16:42 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, stay like that | 16:42 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, doesn't the army crap finish @ 20? | 16:42 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, are you going t army? i suppose .... | 16:42 |
MohammadAG | well, forced army, or w/e it's called | 16:42 |
MohammadAG | not that i know of | 16:42 |
MohammadAG | don't have an IL passport | 16:43 |
zogg_laptop | meh | 16:43 |
MohammadAG | so I'll stay as an amateur terrorist for the time | 16:43 |
zogg_laptop | the situation between our nation sucks | 16:43 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Patch sent :) | 16:43 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, haha =) | 16:43 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, get a match and throw it at the local nuke armory | 16:43 |
tybollt | 7nick mossad | 16:43 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i would joke, but probably mossad are watching us, and they wouldn't understand =) | 16:44 |
MohammadAG | there are logs, and they're public | 16:44 |
MohammadAG | (hi mossad) :) | 16:44 |
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MohammadAG | anyways | 16:44 |
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MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, scratch that idea, i wouldn't see PR1.3 | 16:45 |
zogg_laptop | mossad@idf.gov.il ~ cat maemo.log |grep terrorist |grep Mohammad | 16:45 |
pupnik | i wonder what the problem with fbcon and pr1.2 is | 16:45 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i'll bring it to you to the prison ... in my arse | 16:45 |
ghostcube | grml pokerth is devel grml | 16:45 |
ghostcube | :) | 16:45 |
pupnik | pokerth is what | 16:46 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, there wouldn't be a prison if you match the armory | 16:46 |
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zogg_laptop | like that watch from pulp fiction | 16:46 |
ghostcube | in extras devel | 16:46 |
MohammadAG | pupnik, what problem? | 16:46 |
ghostcube | :) | 16:46 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, anyway u don't miss anything | 16:46 |
MohammadAG | pupnik, fbcon works here - with about 3 reboots | 16:46 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, so it's not like cod eh? | 16:46 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, but do you have green or whatever colour ID? | 16:46 |
MohammadAG | nope, blue | 16:46 |
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MohammadAG | but i don't have the passport | 16:47 |
pupnik | whose kernel MohammadAG | 16:47 |
MohammadAG | pupnik, my own kernel | 16:47 |
MohammadAG | pupnik, it crashes a couple of times, but then it boots | 16:47 |
ghostcube | is pokerth not ready for normal extras-testing? | 16:47 |
pupnik | k, did you have to patch fbcon module? | 16:47 |
MohammadAG | and that's been happening since 1.1 | 16:47 |
ghostcube | i never had any problem with it :) | 16:47 |
MohammadAG | pupnik, I just enabled it in the .config file | 16:48 |
MohammadAG | i don't do modules - yet | 16:48 |
pupnik | okay ty | 16:48 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, you don't need passport - if you have blue you are citizen | 16:48 |
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MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, so... should i say "oh crap" anytime soon? | 16:48 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, afaik you don't force arabs to join the army | 16:49 |
zogg_laptop | i'm not sure if u have to serve anyway | 16:49 |
MohammadAG | no idea, but i highly doubt it | 16:49 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, tapping 'Help' button while in portrait mode makes whole screen rotate to landscape and then it shows the message box :( | 16:49 |
MohammadAG | ftrvxmtrx, where? | 16:50 |
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ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, and doesn't rotate back to portrait when closed | 16:50 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Really? It works for me with the new patch | 16:50 |
ftrvxmtrx | wow, that's strange | 16:50 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, i know you don't like each other but i served with some druzim in army | 16:50 |
fiferboy | It shows the help message in portrait when in portrait with proper line wrapping | 16:50 |
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MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, tbh I'm not that into politics and all, I don't mind israelis in here, as long as it's stable | 16:51 |
MohammadAG | by the looks of it, it is right now | 16:51 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, it wouldn't be stable. the tops want money and power. and we — common people suffer | 16:51 |
zogg_laptop | ☹ | 16:52 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, right now it is (: | 16:52 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: If I show the help message while in landscape and then rotate to portrait, the message box and application rotate too | 16:52 |
fiferboy | And vice versa | 16:52 |
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ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, and if you show it while in portrait? | 16:53 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: It shows fine portrait and will rotate to landscape if I turn the device | 16:53 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, if i was you i would go to Saudi and marry some rich guy's daughter, even 20 =) | 16:53 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, interesting idea :P | 16:53 |
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zogg_laptop | ftrvxmtrx, fiferboy , what are you talking about? | 16:54 |
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fiferboy | zogg_laptop: colorflood | 16:54 |
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zogg_laptop | say what | 16:54 |
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FIQ | can i customize the toolbar in the browser? | 16:54 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, ok, I'll apply the patch | 16:55 |
supertramp | maemo 1.2 update complete ruined my n900 :) | 16:55 |
supertramp | perfect job | 16:55 |
FIQ | or in other place? | 16:55 |
ruskie | hmm recaller stopped working with pr1.2 | 16:55 |
FIQ | not mine. :) | 16:55 |
zogg_laptop | americans are so... americans, i have colour marked as mistake while color is alright. damn you x-chat | 16:55 |
FIQ | anyway | 16:55 |
FIQ | would be useful | 16:55 |
* MohammadAG wonders if PR1.2 broke more apps than it fixed :) | 16:55 |
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FauxFaux | Stop it stop it stop it. | 16:55 |
* FauxFaux is simply too lazy to update. :p | 16:55 |
zogg_laptop | ruskie, it started for me, at least it sends some notify while calling | 16:55 |
ruskie | zogg_laptop, hmm didn't happen for me | 16:56 |
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zogg_laptop | ftrvxmtrx, what patch are you talking about? | 16:56 |
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zogg_laptop | ruskie, i didn;t even known of this app before | 16:56 |
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ftrvxmtrx | zogg_laptop, the patch fiferboy sent me to fix help message box rotation issue | 16:57 |
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zogg_laptop | what box. i didn't get where is this help msg? | 16:58 |
ftrvxmtrx | here http://maemo.org/packages/view/colorflood | 16:58 |
zogg_laptop | andrei_, privet andrei, kak dela? =)) | 16:58 |
the_lord | Hi! does anybody here knows if it's true that skype has video call in pr 1.2 | 16:58 |
the_lord | ? | 16:58 |
thresh | говорите по-русски уже, транслит не нужен | 16:58 |
SWFu64 | Yes it does | 16:59 |
ftrvxmtrx | yep, it's true | 16:59 |
SWFu64 | I've not tried it out yet though | 16:59 |
MohammadAG | oh, new SDK update | 16:59 |
ftrvxmtrx | транслит makes our eyes bleed | 17:00 |
GAN900 | Yo, fiferboy. | 17:00 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: I'm fiferboy on github now if that helps anything | 17:00 |
fiferboy | Hi GAN900 | 17:00 |
the_lord | thresh, I tried calling and it didn't show me anything of video | 17:00 |
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thresh | the_lord: cant help ya. never tried. | 17:00 |
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fiferboy | GAN900: Are the Rays going to run away with the East? | 17:01 |
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GAN900 | fiferboy, probably | 17:01 |
GAN900 | fiferboy, although the offense is in a slump | 17:01 |
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GAN900 | and the Red Sox have the umps in their pocket | 17:03 |
GAN900 | I can't believe how fast they ejected Crawford. | 17:03 |
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fiferboy | Yanks and Red Sox always get the benefit of the calls | 17:04 |
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supertramp | why I lost all my sms / contacts and calendar after the update? :) | 17:07 |
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Appiah | you did? good thing you made a backup first! | 17:08 |
supertramp | well ... no | 17:09 |
the_lord | thresh, yes, it works | 17:09 |
Appiah | O_O | 17:09 |
supertramp | ok - let's see the calendardb :) | 17:10 |
supertramp | all data are in it | 17:10 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, I've added you as a collaborator | 17:10 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Thanks! | 17:10 |
ftrvxmtrx | n/p :) | 17:10 |
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supertramp | ah | 17:11 |
supertramp | ok - I see the problem now | 17:11 |
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supertramp | permissions :) | 17:12 |
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GAN900 | fiferboy, I was at the game and it was clearly outside. | 17:12 |
GAN900 | fiferboy, Fox Trax said about 6 inches | 17:13 |
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fiferboy | GAN900: Did you let them have whatfor? | 17:13 |
GAN900 | fiferboy, and that was only one call of at least a dozen. | 17:13 |
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GAN900 | fiferboy, Madden got out there and gave him hell | 17:13 |
GAN900 | Half the stadium booed nearly every strike call after that. | 17:13 |
GAN900 | Other half were Red Sox fans of course. :rolleyes: | 17:14 |
fiferboy | GAN900: What's attendance like these days? | 17:14 |
rm_you | hrm.... | 17:14 |
GAN900 | fiferboy, better than usual | 17:14 |
GAN900 | Averaging around 20k, I think. | 17:14 |
rm_you | so my device started reboot-looping at the loading dots right after the nokia hands like a week ago.... | 17:15 |
GAN900 | But the Northerners still insist we don't deserve a team. | 17:15 |
GAN900 | rm_you, and you haven't flashed it? | 17:15 |
rm_you | i figured i'd wait and just reflash when PR1.2 came out | 17:15 |
rm_you | so i did, and it has | 17:15 |
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rm_you | but it's not entering flash mode, it just flashes the usb icon and continues to the dots and the reboot loop T_T | 17:15 |
rm_you | supposed to just hold down the "u" key, right? | 17:16 |
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GAN900 | Yes | 17:18 |
oscillik | frals: you should be a Nokia employee for making MMS work on my N900 | 17:18 |
frals | heh | 17:18 |
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oscillik | thank you | 17:18 |
plastun | after installation my app it not appears in menu. What the matter? | 17:18 |
frals | thank you ;) | 17:18 |
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MohammadAG | .desktop files aren't autocreated | 17:19 |
GAN900 | oscillik, don't say that. | 17:19 |
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GAN900 | They he'd have specs to follow, it would only be released for Harmattan and we'd never hear from him again. ;) | 17:20 |
Corsac | GAN900: any intent to integrate fmms in contacts? (not sure if it's possible though) | 17:20 |
MohammadAG | GAN900, why? I wouldn't mind a trout in future Nokia phone boxes | 17:20 |
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GAN900 | Corsac, apparently the plugin interface sucks. | 17:20 |
frals | MohammadAG: be careful what you wish for :D | 17:20 |
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rm_you | I'm holding down the "u" key as hard as I can, no luck. <_< | 17:21 |
GAN900 | s/They/Then | 17:21 |
MohammadAG | hehehe | 17:21 |
GAN900 | rm_you, unplug USB, pop battery, replace battery, hold u, plug in USB. | 17:21 |
mortal | which maemo phones are out there? | 17:21 |
rm_you | done it about 10 times, doing it again for funsies | 17:22 |
GAN900 | N900 | 17:22 |
GAN900 | rm_you, odd. | 17:22 |
MohammadAG | rm_you, or unplug USB, remove the battery, connect the USB, execute the command and connect the battery | 17:22 |
MohammadAG | some OSs like to be bi***y | 17:22 |
GAN900 | rm_you, sure there's nothing wrong with your cable, your keyboard or your fingers? | 17:22 |
lcuk | rm_you, remove battery, connect usb cable, start flasher, when it says "no device detected", put battery in | 17:22 |
lcuk | no key presses and works :) | 17:22 |
MohammadAG | or bacon in my N950 package :P | 17:22 |
TheRealHotshot | lol | 17:23 |
fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: Latest git works perfectly for me | 17:24 |
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rm_you | nope, does the same thing | 17:26 |
MohammadAG | andre___, what's with the keywords? :) | 17:26 |
andre___ | MohammadAG, hmm? | 17:26 |
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andre___ | MohammadAG, "moreinfo": workaround waiting for new Bugzilla version that introduces "NEEDINFO" state | 17:27 |
MohammadAG | andre___, "moreinfo" | 17:27 |
MohammadAG | oh | 17:27 |
rm_you | computer says "detected usb device" in the taskbar, flickers a bit (the n900 has the usb icon in the corner for right around 1 second) then the beeping that means "usb device connected" followed by "usb device disconnected" happens a little bit, and the device continues to try to boot, but reboots during the dots | 17:27 |
andre___ | MohammadAG, only used "against" the reporter | 17:27 |
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rm_you | is there a way besides holding "u" to force a flash? because it doesn't seem to be forcing anything | 17:28 |
rm_you | or to force-reset / wipe the device? | 17:28 |
rm_you | do I need to have a SIM or a microSD in the n900? | 17:28 |
MohammadAG | andre___, oh, I see | 17:28 |
MohammadAG | nope | 17:28 |
lcuk | rm_you, try alternative usb port/computer potentially something is screwing your usb stack | 17:28 |
rm_you | tried two computers so far | 17:29 |
lcuk | either that or your battery may be rlyrlyrly flat | 17:29 |
rm_you | tried two batteries | 17:29 |
MohammadAG | try a proper OS :) | 17:29 |
rm_you | will attempt to charge them both again in n810 and then try again | 17:29 |
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MohammadAG | rm_you, try using a linux live cd | 17:30 |
MohammadAG | DSL aka Damn Small Linux is... damn small :) | 17:30 |
ftrvxmtrx | fiferboy, great, maybe I should promote it then | 17:30 |
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fiferboy | ftrvxmtrx: I'd go for it | 17:32 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, haha loser you have n950, i have n950i | 17:32 |
MohammadAG | Nokia-NXX:~# uname | 17:34 |
MohammadAG | Mac OS X | 17:34 |
rm_you | aha, so i left it doing that little loop on my laptop on the other side of the room just now while i scoured forums for answers | 17:34 |
MohammadAG | who's the loser now :) | 17:34 |
rm_you | the beeping stopped so i went to look.... it started taking the flash after about the 40th reboot | 17:35 |
MohammadAG | lol | 17:35 |
rm_you | watched it finish flashing... | 17:35 |
rm_you | now i try to turn it on and it turns off after the dots | 17:35 |
rm_you | so, basically the same as before >_< | 17:35 |
GAN900 | rm_you, low batt? | 17:35 |
rm_you | attempting to charge the battery again in the n810 | 17:35 |
rm_you | as when i plug the n900 into power, it attemps to turn on, then reboot-loops | 17:36 |
rm_you | instead of charging | 17:36 |
zogg_laptop | Nokia-N950:~ uname | 17:37 |
zogg_laptop | Plan9 | 17:37 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, you are | 17:37 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, fake!!!!11! | 17:37 |
zogg_laptop | rm_you, give it a time | 17:37 |
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zogg_laptop | rm_you, sometimes the screen goes off for me while turning on instead of dots | 17:38 |
zogg_laptop | and after flash turning on takes a while | 17:38 |
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rm_you | this is what happens when i plug it into power when it is off. | 17:39 |
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rm_you | one second delay. NOKIA in blue letters on white. the loading dots for about two to three seconds, they are moving as normal. screen dims. still see dots, but they are frozen, lasts for two to three seconds. screen goes entire dark. goto beginning and repeat. | 17:40 |
zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, my cosmorabbit sends you huge | 17:40 |
rm_you | sorry no, dots are still moving while screen is dim, continue moving until reboot | 17:41 |
mortal | does the n900 have many known hardware bugs or severe software limitations? how usable is it currently? | 17:43 |
SpeedEvil | mortal: It is rather slow. | 17:43 |
SpeedEvil | mortal: It takes around 3 hours to compile a kernel. | 17:43 |
zogg_laptop | mortal, don't buy it | 17:43 |
SpeedEvil | Though the UI is surprisingly responsive during this. | 17:43 |
mortal | eh, 3 hours | 17:43 |
mortal | that is fast | 17:44 |
zogg_laptop | and it makes coffee | 17:44 |
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mortal | I am using n810 + e90 combo atm | 17:44 |
mortal | the only thing I lack is the 900 MHz 3g | 17:44 |
zogg_laptop | wait for meego device | 17:44 |
SpeedEvil | mortal: The biggest hardware issue I have is that teh cheap bastards only included one stylus. | 17:44 |
zogg_laptop | 900mhz is overclocking | 17:44 |
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SpeedEvil | err - no | 17:45 |
jaska | lol | 17:45 |
SpeedEvil | 900MHz is also a cellular band | 17:45 |
jaska | 2100MHz 3g must be real bad overclocking then | 17:45 |
ghostcube | hmmm, i just noticed the kayboard has no & sign i mean the hw keyboard | 17:45 |
ghostcube | lol | 17:45 |
Shapeshifter | biggest hardware issue is emmc IO | 17:45 |
zogg_laptop | 900mhz is aso frequency | 17:45 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100527-173806.png | 17:46 |
SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Mine does - blue-k | 17:46 |
ghostcube | hmm, am i so blind today | 17:46 |
timeless_mbp | Trizt, et al: help | 17:46 |
zogg_laptop | ghostcube, you can change other leeter for it | 17:46 |
zogg_laptop | letter* | 17:46 |
zogg_laptop | mine have it | 17:46 |
GAN900 | timeless_mbp, there any way to make that clickable with strings? | 17:47 |
zogg_laptop | what i miss is | and — | 17:47 |
jaska | i replaced euro and sterling with | and & etc, then added <> {} () ` % as shift-fn combos | 17:47 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: not afaict | 17:47 |
Zucca | Is there a way to start terminal (in Maemo 5) in ISO locale? | 17:47 |
SpeedEvil | ? is shift-: | 17:47 |
BCMM | SpeedEvil: where is that a cellular band? | 17:47 |
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ghostcube | hmm i only have the & in terminal with fn and sym key :) | 17:47 |
SpeedEvil | BCMM: here - though it's not 3G | 17:47 |
SpeedEvil | AFAIK | 17:47 |
jaska | oops, not () but [] | 17:47 |
ghostcube | yeah the pipe is a missing one too | 17:47 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: the word wrapping of the url was also helpful | 17:47 |
zogg_laptop | ат фты ынь лун вщтэе цщкл ащк ьу | 17:47 |
timeless_mbp | fwiw the missing space after the period near the bottom is my fault | 17:47 |
timeless_mbp | i'll fix that | 17:48 |
zogg_laptop | ooopsy | 17:48 |
timeless_mbp | could i get a shorter url? | 17:48 |
timeless_mbp | note that afaict, i can't even make the url selectable | 17:48 |
zogg_laptop | fn+sym doesn't work for me at all | 17:48 |
timeless_mbp | which means people will have to hand retype it ! :( | 17:48 |
ghostcube | is there any way to get back the old software keyboard | 17:48 |
ghostcube | o.O | 17:48 |
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SpeedEvil | zogg: It's stupid | 17:48 |
timeless_mbp | i claim it's still better than what is normally presented | 17:48 |
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MohammadAG | Might check on that soon | 17:48 |
MohammadAG | i want the old menu back | 17:48 |
timeless_mbp | i might be able to buy some space by changing 'Open backup' to 'Backup' | 17:49 |
jaska | also longpress is kinda wacky when you do press shift and then longpress a key :) atleast in terminal | 17:49 |
dotblank | hmm video call over javver says there is mismatched video codecs.. | 17:49 |
ghostcube | i want the old keyboard back btw the old menu was cool too | 17:49 |
timeless_mbp | but that's kinda stupid :( | 17:49 |
dotblank | what codec does the n900 use for video call? | 17:49 |
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dotblank | jabber* | 17:49 |
ghostcube | full ack MohammadAG | 17:49 |
SpeedEvil | zogg: You need to press and hold blue, press function, release function, release blue | 17:49 |
SpeedEvil | zogg: any other combination doesn't work | 17:49 |
ghostcube | yeah i have my pokerth back (yeah) | 17:50 |
ghostcube | :) | 17:50 |
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ghostcube | wth apt-get update && apt-get upgrade arent working | 17:51 |
zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, what is stupid? i think it worked before i updated (pr1.1.1) i even don't remember what it did. after that it's nt working | 17:51 |
ghostcube | *isnt | 17:51 |
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plastun | does anybody install MeeGo to N900? | 17:51 |
ghostcube | you cant combine commands by && in busybox? | 17:51 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, try hildon-im-recache as root | 17:51 |
MohammadAG | ghostcube, you can | 17:51 |
SpeedEvil | zogg: at least for me - the other way round - press symbol - hold symbol - press blue - release blue - does not work. | 17:51 |
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SpeedEvil | zogg: nor does pressing them at the same time | 17:51 |
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ghostcube | MohammadAG: hmmm my apt-get doesnt like it here ;( | 17:52 |
SpeedEvil | Is everyone else not seeing this - or is it just me / my hardware? | 17:52 |
zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, all blue keys are working except Sym | 17:52 |
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zogg_laptop | what does it do? | 17:52 |
SpeedEvil | zogg: this is to start the symbol overlay | 17:52 |
ghostcube | if you open an terminal and do fn+sym it should bring up a special sign table | 17:53 |
SpeedEvil | zogg: of the hardware keyboard | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | zogg_laptop: does sym-eur give you a PIPE instead of a EUR? | 17:53 |
jaska | press fn, release fn, press sym, release sym works for me | 17:53 |
zogg_laptop | timeless_mbp, yes | 17:53 |
SpeedEvil | ghostcube: Oh - that works too | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | ZogG: you have some keyboard layout installed, e.g. hebrew | 17:53 |
BCMM | has anybody benchmarked the various browsers available for Maemo? | 17:53 |
SpeedEvil | jaska: I mean | 17:53 |
timeless_mbp | which breaks that stuff | 17:53 |
BCMM | (and is it possible to change the default?) | 17:53 |
dotblank | ugh takes like 20 mins to install extra decoders | 17:54 |
ghostcube | anyone can confirm that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade dont work if you work in rootshell o.O | 17:54 |
TomaszD | don't fret, I'm preparing a new version dotblank | 17:54 |
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TomaszD | but it does pull in many deps | 17:54 |
dotblank | TomaszD, :) | 17:54 |
jaska | now i need to refiddle with the layout to get 4 arrows while keeping the a and o umlauts | 17:55 |
TomaszD | should be a bit faster to install | 17:55 |
mortal | could it be possible to use the e90 keyboard as a bluetooth keyboard for an n800 | 17:55 |
SpeedEvil | mortal: I've really not found the n900 keyb bad. | 17:56 |
dotblank | Does video calling require extra decoders/ | 17:56 |
SpeedEvil | mortal: My laptop died for a week. I got up to ~30wpm | 17:56 |
nidO | he said n800 | 17:56 |
nidO | and the e90's keyboard blows the n900's away anyway :p | 17:56 |
zogg_laptop | hhahaha | 17:57 |
jaska | i liked my jornada 720s kbd :| | 17:58 |
zogg_laptop | i went to uninstall the hebrew keyboard and it says - no apps installed | 17:58 |
timeless_mbp | zogg_laptop: is it wrong? | 17:59 |
zogg_laptop | re-opened appmanager solved it | 17:59 |
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dotblank | can anyone test video calling with me. just put pr 1.2 on | 18:02 |
rm_you | would if i could get my phone to boot | 18:03 |
rm_you | <_< | 18:03 |
BCMM | dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123 | 18:03 |
rm_you | i thought they had one | 18:03 |
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dotblank | BCMM, Skype test call works with video? | 18:04 |
BCMM | dotblank: no, but it should | 18:04 |
dotblank | ah.. im getting abunch of cedec mismatch errors.. with video calling | 18:04 |
dotblank | over gtalk | 18:04 |
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MohammadAG | <BCMM> dotblank: skype really needs a video version of echo123 indeed | 18:07 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: right, so do we have a wiki page/ | 18:07 |
MohammadAG | <zogg_laptop> i went to uninstall the hebrew keyboard and it says - no apps installed | 18:08 |
MohammadAG | open app manager and type killall apt-worker as root, you'll get the same effect :) | 18:08 |
rm_you | charged battery seems to have the same effect... noted that when it is not plugged in, it just immediately turns off during the moving dots. | 18:09 |
rm_you | is my n900 just fucked again? | 18:09 |
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rm_you | seriously doubt quim is going to send me ANOTHER one <_< | 18:09 |
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Aranel | whats the difference between USA and Global release? | 18:11 |
luke-jr | I think it's more like USA vs UK vs Finland vs ... | 18:11 |
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luke-jr | varied keyboards or such | 18:12 |
MohammadAG | nope, keyboards are the same | 18:12 |
luke-jr | O.o | 18:12 |
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zogg_laptop | MohammadAG, nope, they are not | 18:16 |
zogg_laptop | russian keyboard is different | 18:16 |
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zogg_laptop | buttons are placed different | 18:16 |
MohammadAG | zogg_laptop, the fw has the same files afaik, it's determined by something else | 18:17 |
GAN900 | timeless_mbp, for? | 18:17 |
MohammadAG | just like the FMTX | 18:17 |
thresh | long live the author of gps data logger widget. | 18:18 |
E0x | so know i can try the nokia qt sdk just fine , i mean test the app create on it in the n900 without do anything special ? | 18:19 |
thresh | and, of course, curse nokia for stupid ovi maps. | 18:19 |
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rm_you | alright well, I booted up my other (broken USB) n900 with this battery, it starts up fine and reports well over half battery left. in my "not broken" (at least, physically) n900, it is still just immediately turning off after the NOKIA text and three seconds of the loading dots. T_T | 18:20 |
E0x | hmm i was using mapper in pr1.1 and was very fine , why is not yet in extra ? | 18:20 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: sorry, which question | 18:20 |
E0x | some bugs ? | 18:20 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: a) is there a wiki url explaining to people how to deal w/ OTA failure | 18:21 |
rm_you | timeless_mbp: i may have to ask Quim whether he feels like shipping me ANOTHER n900. this time i'll ship him TWO broken ones back! <_< | 18:21 |
timeless_mbp | ... | 18:22 |
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MohammadAG | rm_you, it could be your fault you know :) | 18:23 |
MohammadAG | I'm still on 1 N900 | 18:23 |
rm_you | lol i did nothing this time :P | 18:23 |
timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i'm on n900s 4 and 5 | 18:23 |
MohammadAG | then how did it brick | 18:23 |
rm_you | not that i did anything last time either, besides normal plugging and unplugging of USB | 18:23 |
MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what happened to 1 2 and 3? | 18:23 |
rm_you | i was listening to pandora one day and it just turned off | 18:23 |
rm_you | and since then it won't turn on | 18:23 |
MohammadAG | bad luck | 18:24 |
rm_you | which was about two weeks after Quim sent it to me <_< | 18:24 |
MohammadAG | the very definition of it | 18:24 |
timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: one of them was dropped and had a bad encounter with a tile floor | 18:24 |
rm_you | I'm just glad I hadn't actually BOUGHT one | 18:24 |
timeless_mbp | one of them decided that charging wasn't important | 18:24 |
timeless_mbp | one's on permanent loan to an end user | 18:24 |
timeless_mbp | (and despite him trying to drown it, it's doing quite well) | 18:24 |
rm_you | the failure rate seems to be like... 75% | 18:24 |
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rm_you | then again, people with problems are louder than people without | 18:25 |
rm_you | so it must not be THAT bad... it must just coincidentally happen repeatedly to people I know :P | 18:25 |
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timeless_mbp | GAN900: so, i'm considering taking wiki.maemo.org/ota_failed | 18:26 |
RurouniJones | Hmm, how do you switch input with mscim on the N900? | 18:26 |
RurouniJones | I accidentally did it but then it switched back | 18:26 |
RurouniJones | And I cannot find the key combo to enable the Japanese input again | 18:26 |
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MohammadAG | ctrl space | 18:26 |
RurouniJones | Nuts, thta is what I thought, tried that and it didn't work | 18:27 |
GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I think there's already a page | 18:27 |
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_gpg_ | hi | 18:27 |
RurouniJones | And now it worked again, cheers MohammadAG, think I need to do some more experimentation | 18:27 |
timeless_mbp | GAN900: there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update | 18:28 |
MohammadAG | :) | 18:28 |
timeless_mbp | but it's too long to make someone type! | 18:28 |
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supertramp | :)))) | 18:28 |
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RurouniJones | Wooo! Jagged alliance 2 on the N900? Fantabulous | 18:29 |
* RurouniJones goes and diggs out CD | 18:30 |
supertramp | cannot remember when I had thigs soooooo screwed up | 18:30 |
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Rinsmaster | I have 120MB free in /home, but the application manager is complaining about free application space.. Also apt-get works fine.. :/ | 18:31 |
MohammadAG | what about /? | 18:31 |
MohammadAG | and MyDocs | 18:31 |
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Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, 60MB free in / and 4GB free in MyDocs, which all should be enough, especially for a 200kb app -.- | 18:32 |
Rinsmaster | It happened while restoring applications from my backup ( I just flashed to PR1.2) | 18:32 |
MohammadAG | Rinsmaster, what do the logs say? | 18:32 |
Rinsmaster | I'll check them out, good idea | 18:33 |
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tripzero | so uh... OTA should work if you have the free space? | 18:34 |
SpeedEvil | http://maemo.nokia.com/news/n900-gets-even-better-with-the-latest-update/ | 18:34 |
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zogg_laptop | oh, i know the secret | 18:34 |
SpeedEvil | Err - my store does not apparantly contain 'new Ovi Store content like 3D Rollercoaster, QuickPanorama Pro, Angry Birds Level Pack, Sygic Mobile Maps and more. ' | 18:34 |
SpeedEvil | Does anyone elses? | 18:34 |
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zogg_laptop | SpeedEvil, that's what was my secret | 18:35 |
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zogg_laptop | the new ovi store... | 18:35 |
zogg_laptop | wait for it | 18:35 |
zogg_laptop | ... is old one \o/ | 18:35 |
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zogg_laptop | TADA | 18:35 |
Rinsmaster | MohammadAG, http://paste.debian.net/plain/75071 | 18:35 |
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