IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-05-18

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MohammadAGToJa92, don't blame the wiki, it's correct :)00:00
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MohammadAGso.. I can't ssh locally, but I can ssh remotely, any ideas?00:05
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MohammadAGit never worked locally, but yesterday it started working00:05
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pupnikWhy are browsers still showing me *text* in a language i don't know?00:15
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Stskeepswb javispedro00:16
javispedrosorry Stskeeps, forgot about you =)00:17
Stskeepsmeh, i went and posted instead :P00:17
javispedrothat post made my n900 ring :)00:17
javispedroyes it is rfbi; fanoush confirmed it00:18
Stskeepsam i crazy or does this sound like a solution for at least the flip'ing problems?00:18
Stskeepstalking about
javispedroyep, reading00:18
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Stskeepsin my mind it hangs together00:20
javispedroi wonder how this interacts with xv then00:20
pupnik00:10 < me1ne> hm. I never ever used javascript. not even for forms checking where I should have. Don't like it.00:20
Stskeepsjavispedro: this is without xv involvement at least00:20
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Stskeepsthere is one benefit to fanoush's proposal00:21
StskeepsXomap can keep on updating it's fb0 while we play around in fb200:21
Stskeepsie, it'd be better for us to use fb2 instead of fb0, as we're constnatly changing the framebuffer pointer and i doubt X looks pretty doing it00:22
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javispedroI don't know how that works; who says Xorg is not changing it too00:22
Stskeepswe cannot run xv and 3d at same time probably00:23
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javispedroexactly -- the reason I was thinking about the interaction with xv :)00:23
Stskeepsbut either way, having the basic 3d working, even with screen artefacts, would be a start00:23
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Stskeepsmy problem is that i cannot verify if omaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflip is ever getting called.00:24
johnsqStskeeps: can you modify a pixel in kernel, old debug trick.00:25
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Stskeepsprintk works too00:25
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* javispedro worst' gripe are the damn leaks00:25
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Stskeepsthe leaks i can explain by now00:26
javispedrotoo many n8x0 reboots required for meaningful printk session00:26
Stskeepsthe leaks happen because vsyncflip is never called00:26
Stskeepsie, no complete() callbacks00:26
Stskeepsexcept for the first one00:27
Stskeepswell, not even that one00:27
Stskeepsas the complete() thing is done in vsyncflip00:27
Stskeepsso things just queue up00:28
MohammadAGOvi is f'd up00:28
MohammadAGrunning dbus-monitor while signing in shows the pass00:28
javispedro"PCI will crash anyway on N8x0 " heh00:28
Stskeepsi didn't want to bother rewriting that part :P00:29
lcukStskeeps, removing xv on the 810 especially will be bad news for anyone wanting to play video00:30
javispedrowell at least it works as usual on my n8x0, good stuff.00:30
Stskeepslcuk: no, just not working at the same time00:31
Stskeepsie, if one app is using 3d, we cannot do xv at same time00:31
lcukthe 810 can barely show an xv window and normal x11 at the same time so i doubt that would be noticed :D00:31
javispedrowhy do you say that?00:32
javispedrois BUFFER_OVERLAY defined?00:32
javispedroah, stupid me00:33
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javispedroxv on the n8x0 uses gfx window00:33
javispedroI think?00:33
lcuki dunno what it uses within the omap driver00:33
Stskeepsxv just uses fb2 as overlay i think or something00:34
javispedrothat would be same as n900 then00:34
Stskeepsand then pushes window updates for whatever it wants to show00:34
javispedrobut I'm not sure on n8x0, cause blizzard means the dss is not that useful00:34
Stskeepstechnically we could show xv and 3d at same time. if it tried as hard to update the window areas as the 3d driver would be doing00:34
javispedroie you would just use pixel doubling on the epson chip and put the video data "somewhere".00:34
Stskeepsbut first things first :)00:35
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Stskeepsjavispedro: but if you have time to prove that omaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflip is getting called, i think we can simply try to:00:38
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Stskeepsblizzard_update_window_async(blizzard.fbdev->fb_info[0], &blizzard.auto_update_window, NULL, NULL);00:39
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javispedrodo I have access to that many symbols?00:39
Stskeepswell, yes00:39
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javispedrono need to check just curious :) (i'd easily get the link error...)00:39
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Stskeepswe have the fbdev easily accessible as registered_fb[0]00:40
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Stskeeps#include <linux/fb.h>00:40
javispedrothat's already imported (driver uses registered_fb iirc)00:41
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Stskeepsand auto_update_window ..00:41
javispedrook, I think I follow you00:41
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Stskeepsstruct omapfb_update_window00:42
javispedroah, same as userspace one00:42
Stskeepsif we can get the first frame to show without us manually updating the display from userspace, that's a start00:43
javispedrothe "which framebuffer to show" part is hidden, seems.00:43
javispedroomaplcd_flip_command just gets the base address of it as a parameter00:43
javispedroand that's the one process_vsyncflip sets as base for the gfx window00:44
javispedrowas expecting to see it alternating between two big allocations. that would be too easy =)00:44
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Stskeepsand add a printk in process_vsyncflip so we know if it's being called :P00:45
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Stskeepsdoes this make sense? :)00:48
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javispedronot called.00:49
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Stskeepswell, what gets called then00:50
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:50
StskeepsFlip() does, i guess00:50
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javispedroforgot to put to the printk in flipoverlay00:50
* Stskeeps glares00:50
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javispedrobut I can't see where it's defined00:51
Stskeepsi thought flipoverlay wasn't enabled00:51
Stskeepsie, BUFFER_OVERLAY00:51
javispedroit's not defined00:51
Stskeepsright, that's what i'm saying00:51
javispedrobut that means no Flip* function is called00:51
Stskeepsyet something is getting written to the fb i guess?00:52
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javispedroyep -- weird00:52
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Stskeepswtf :P00:53
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javispedroI do get the printk I put in InitMain(), in case you're wondering00:53
Stskeepsi was for a second00:53
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javispedrome too.00:53
javispedrobtw this is non debug version I guess, as all I get is   [197.507812] InitMain()  called [  197.507812] No flipbuffers00:54
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javispedrowill try to guess what's going on. meanwhile, is the supposed caller of omaplcd_flip_command visible on public mbxaccess.ko?00:55
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Stskeepswell, that's the funny part00:56
javispedrocommand 0 of the display class driver function table00:56
StskeepspfnCmdProcList seems to be a dead end00:56
javispedroit's passed in to mbxaccess00:56
javispedrothis is similar to the n900 one00:57
javispedroit's one of the few parts where the sgx one helps..00:57
Stskeepsmbxaccess_RegisterCmdProcList is a nullop00:57
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javispedroah, too easy.00:58
Stskeepseven the swap one looks like a nullop00:59
Stskeepsso, wtf makes the magic -actually- happen? :P01:00
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Stskeepsjavispedro: and you're sure you copied over the omaplcd.ko and not just mbxaccess.ko? :P01:01
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javispedroInitMain was in omaplcd_displayclass.c, so pretty sure.01:01
javispedroeither way who could be calling it?01:02
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javispedrothere's quite a few other places where GOLCD is asserted01:06
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javispedrobut yes, nowhere else is GFX_BAi touched...01:07
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Stskeepsi am currently suspectig the swap chains01:09
javispedro[  270.843750] OMAPLCDOpen()01:09
javispedro[  270.843750] OMAPLCDBridgeDispatch(cmd=3221505591)01:09
javispedrothat's my beloved at work >:(01:09
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Stskeepsjavispedro: what are you testing with btw01:12
javispedrotrying to find _any_ function called per frame01:12
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Stskeepsok, so you have a gles test, ok01:13
javispedroyes, feel free to ask for a printk anywhere01:13
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Stskeepsis the ISR getting installed? InstallVsyncISR01:13
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javispedroInstallVsyncISR is called01:14
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javispedroit does NOT return an error.01:14
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javispedro(that's all I could get with the previous trace)01:14
Stskeepsnext up is swap chains i guess01:14
Stskeepsie, createswapchains01:14
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* Stskeeps officially doesn't understand thisdriver01:16
javispedrofirst time mbxdaemon throws some shmid stuff on me01:17
* javispedro decides it's time for another reboot01:17
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javispedroCreateSwapchain not called either01:20
javispedro(who could call it?)01:20
javispedrosequence of ioctls to /dev/omaplcd is open(), _INIT_MAIN, _INSTALL_VSYNC_ISR, and that's about it01:21
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kpomanhi again !01:22
kpomando someone know why I am getting "ls: /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext2: Value too large for defined data type" ?01:22
Stskeepsjavispedro: i'm running into so many null-ops it's not funny :/01:23
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kpomanbtw I am still doing resize2fs debian-squeeze.img.ext2 4000M01:23
Stskeepskorhojoa: fat32 doesn't like 4gb files01:23
javispedroStskeeps: no wonder. I'm pretty sure it was all nooped as part of the "driver split".01:23
javispedroreason they made a otherwise completely useless, to hide most logic.01:24
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kpomanStskeeps: it is an ext2 file01:24
javispedrodid I say I hate that one .so? :)01:24
Stskeepskpoman: doesn't matter01:24
kpomanStskeeps: for an ext2 fs01:24
PhonicUKi think its time for me to replace my GPUs :(01:24
kpomanStskeeps: did I break it all then ?01:25
kpomanStskeeps: or can I go back ?01:25
Stskeepsjavispedro: omaplcd_ddc_swaptosystem getting called?01:25
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kpomanStskeeps: I just want to shrink my fs, it is too small01:26
Stskeepsjavispedro: also, no createswapchain?01:26
kpomanStskeeps: easy debian thing01:26
javispedroStskeeps: yes, no createswapchain nor delete01:26
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Stskeepsjavispedro: wtf.01:26
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kpomanStskeeps: the file seems to work .. I am checking the fs and no errors found, let me try to chroot to it01:29
kpomanStskeeps: oops, seems unable to mount it, I guess because of the ls problem !01:30
javispedroStskeeps: current trace:
Stskeepsjavispedro: i have a nasty nasty feeling that libomaplcd is editing kernel structures directly01:30
javispedroah, you're starting to feel the hate!01:30
javispedrowell I think it's evil but not that much. As you can see on the trace it seems to call into omaplcd.ko for setting / removing the isr01:31
Stskeepsbtw, the SDK has debug symbols, ie, info types and info functions01:31
kpomanwow it seems there is a bug un busybox for n810 :( damned01:32
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javispedrobtw ReleaseBackBuffer is never called01:34
javispedrothat is one big hell of a leak01:34
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javispedroah no01:36
javispedroseems it doesn't try to reallocate when running the sample twice01:36
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javispedrokilling mbxdaemon causes deinit_main ioctl -> release back buffers01:36
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Stskeepsi gotta sleep now, with nightmares01:37
opdf2anyone getting htc evo?01:38
javispedropfft. this is what one should expect when reading what still reads to me like windows ce code =)01:38
opdf2its about time a device is 5 band wcdma (N8). I hope more companies follow01:40
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GAN900opdf2, this is #maemo. Does any HTC run Maemo? :P01:43
opdf2i know but people have multiple devices. Just wonderin01:43
javispedrooh, I'm sure Stskeeps is going to like ths01:46
javispedroI can create a borked version of AllocContiguosMemory that just returns 0x100 always01:46
javispedroand the driver still works01:46
javispedromagic!! madness!!!!01:46
javispedroTHIS. IS. THE. MBX01:46
javispedro[   83.828125] AllocContiguousMemory(size=768000)01:47
javispedro[   83.828125] AllocContiguousMemory BEING EVIL HERE!01:47
javispedroincluding returning 0x100 for what clearly is the framebuffer01:47
javispedroit should explode.01:47
javispedrobut it works.01:47
GAN900javispedro, thanks for working on this. :)01:47
kpomanok I just found this: deb diablo free non-free ... adding it to my sources file ! :)01:48
kpomanam i noob :(01:48
javispedroGAN900: hah, tell me that in a few hours when I lose the rest of my sanity :)01:48
GAN900javispedro, OK. :)01:48
javispedro*pLinAddr = 0x100; pPhysAddr->uiAddr = 0x100; rarrrh01:48
GAN900kpoman, that's the SDK repo01:49
GAN900somewhat dangerous on device01:49
kpomanGAN900: it was not on my sources01:49
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kpomanGAN900: I just need to update busybox to have large file support01:49
GAN900So don't run any apt-get dist-upgrades01:49
kpomanGAN900: do you have an idea on how to update that specific package ?01:49
javispedroconclusion: this driver is useless. it's a shim, designed to distract us from the real mbx driver: little elves that are inside the binary libraries.01:50
javispedrowithout the elves part, it might actually be true...01:51
SpeedEviljavispedro: No, it's Elvis.01:51
GAN900kpoman, not offhand.01:52
kpomanGAN900: could you please help me just a bit to get this fixed ? I just shrinked my easydebian file to 4GB, but now busybox, lacking of LFS support, is bugging ... I just want to have LFS01:52
kpomanGAN900: I need to put lot of stuff on that ext2 file01:53
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GAN900kpoman, sorry, at work at the moment.01:57
kpomanGAN900: no problem ...01:58
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* DocScrutinizer says "ho", coughs, wipes the flu viri off the channel, and goes back to bed02:01
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javispedroaha, I passed that to you02:02
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DocScrutinizerthanks, mate02:02
DocScrutinizerdarn missed #maemo-meeting02:02
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DocScrutinizergot chan backscroll, so no problem02:03
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DocScrutinizerany other exciting news I missed? PR1.7?02:05
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DocScrutinizerOC to 7GHz?02:06
kpomando someone know how do I update busybox to latest for diablo ?02:06
lcukDocScrutinizer, pr1.7 was a bit OTT, it was an odd number ;)02:06
lcukit was stabilised not long after02:07
DocScrutinizerPR10.0 I suppose02:07
lcukand by the time 2.4 came out they had managed to remove most of the blood stains02:07
javispedrothe n900 has been overclocked to max_int GHZ and it suddently ascended02:07
javispedrointo another plane of existence02:07
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DocScrutinizerand on the way we left behind SB for diablo, I guess02:08
javispedrotake that, those who haven't bough a n810 while they could!02:08
kpomanfrom here: it seems "Fixes: BMO#3917" fixes my problem ... how do I get this ? please someone help, if not here where ? :)02:08
DocScrutinizerooh BUSYBOX02:08
javispedrothe only non-ascended device!02:08
DocScrutinizerkpoman: get rid of it - the best you can do :-P02:08
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javispedrokpoman: there's quite a large topic about it on talk.maemo.org02:09
kpomanDocScrutinizer: there is an update for it02:09
oahubillhow do i get the maemo theme in my gtk application for maemo phones? it shows up with the default gtk grey02:09
kpomanjavispedro: it is supposed to be fixed somewhere in community ... but I cant get how to install this !02:09
javispedroso why a 3D driver works _without_ backbuffers?02:09
* DocScrutinizer shrugs and points to his mantra "I *HATE* BUSYBOX"02:09
kpomanjavispedro: that is why I ask for help :)02:09
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: is there a simple way to replace the whole busybox with something else ?02:10
javispedroone would think a backbuffer is really required for double buffered operation which is the only one it can do02:10
javispedrounless my definition of back buffer is outdated02:10
SpeedEvilkpoman: no02:10
SpeedEvilkpoman: You don't want to.02:10
SpeedEvilkpoman: busybox is _really_ good for low-RAM stuff.02:10
DocScrutinizerkpoman: dunno for diablo, for fremantle you have to keep it as initscripts will break without messybox02:10
daddyTany great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX02:11
kpomanSpeedEvil: sure I dont really want that, I just want to have CONFIG_LFS on mine02:11
SpeedEvilkpoman: Starting a new shell script with busybox uses almost no memory.02:11
daddyTany great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX02:11
daddyTany great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX02:11
daddyTany great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX02:11
daddyTany great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX02:11
DocScrutinizerdaddyT: you're well?02:11
javispedroDocScrutinizer: FINISH HIM!02:11
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lcukis this like the honour virus?02:11
SpeedEvilkpoman: starting a new shell with bash may use a largish slice of a meg.02:11
lcukdaddyT, whay is INBIX?02:11
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lcuki wanted to know02:11
lcuklifes little mysteries02:11
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kpomanSpeedEvil: well my intention is to have a 4G easydebian thing dude ... just saw that busybox is broken. just want a newer, which seems to be available somewhere ( Fixes: BMO#3917 ) however, HTF do I get that02:12
javispedrolcuk: now you'll have to go onto another freenode channel and start asking for a great hacker to inject PHP MAILER INBIX thus repeating the process =)02:12
lcukwould he dare to come back with an op like you around doc?02:12
DocScrutinizerI doubt, but would like it, if it were not for my flu02:13
lcuk"how is babby formed"02:13
javispedrothat one made me laugh02:13
kpomanhelp welcome02:13
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DocScrutinizerkpoman: seems few diablo active users around atm02:15
javispedronext time I'm using that let me google that for you site =)02:15
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you might consider to help me on
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pengu1hello guys, anybody here who play starcraft2?02:20
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MohammadAGyou can thank me later02:25
MohammadAGhave fun reading what others do on lmgtfy02:25
javispedro"is masturbation a sin"02:26
satmdsite requires js02:26
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MohammadAGhaven't seen that yet lol02:27
SpeedEviljavispedro: Only if you use an iphone.02:27
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b-mani've managed to disassemble bme_rx-51 down to the assembly code :)
budfiveb-man: I've got a copy of IDA lying around somewhere if you want to throw that at it02:29
b-mansure :)02:29
* satmd knows how much work that is and congratulates b-man 02:30
b-mani also have the hex and string dumps if you like :)02:30
budfiveb-man: just so I can catch up, bme is an executable on the phone?02:30
budfiveb-man: you objdumped it?02:30
SpeedEvilbudfive: yes02:30
infobotfrom memory, bme is
infobotwell, bme is
DocScrutinizerb-man: sounds nice02:30
* b-man uploads the rest of the data02:31
DocScrutinizeror like a big hoax02:31
budfivewe're trying top reverse engineer it to make host mode work? Sorry, I haven't been paying attention as much as I would've liked02:31
SpeedEvilbudfive: it's related to host-mode.02:32
MohammadAGhost mode is already working though02:32
SpeedEvilbudfive: And other stuff that it does that is annoying.02:32
MohammadAGjavispedro, liked the Displaylink thing :)02:32
MohammadAGif only you could upscale it :)02:32
b-man - elf data for gdb02:32
* b-man uploads the hex/strings02:32
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Host mode is working, in the sense that duct taping on your cars wheels works, rather than actually using bolts.02:32
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MohammadAGwell at least it works02:33
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DocScrutinizerbudfive: actually hostmode 'team' found a way around BME for now it seems, that's called 'stop bme'02:33
SpeedEvilIt works - if you happen to have a PC nearby to connect it to first.02:33
SpeedEvilThis - kind of makes it somewhat pointless in the current form.02:33
budfivei see. let me dig up ida. haven't used it for a while02:33
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, wouldn't a daemon to detect a charger be ideal for host mode?02:33
MohammadAGstop bme when the charger isn't there, start it when the charger is inserted02:34
b-man :)02:34
budfiveb-man: did you get all of these dumps by objdumping the executable02:34
javispedroif DocScrutinizer is right and charging is so simple (and of course he probably is) disassembling bme might be counterproductive as there will be much legacy uh, crap in there.02:34
MohammadAGor whenever a USB cable is inserted it would ask if it should be a host, client, or if it should start bme02:34
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, it needs a PC?02:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nope, as you're not supposed to connect a charger when in hostmode, and also host config of phy doesn't allow charger detection02:34
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes02:35
b-manbudfive: i used hexdump and objdump02:35
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, didn't you say you *should* be able to charge while in host mode?02:35
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: The only way to currently get it into hostmode relies on you plugging it into a host first.02:35
b-manbrb - back in 502:35
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes - without any problem.02:35
MohammadAGwell that's not actually useful (but again, at least it works)02:35
kpomanjavispedro: that link is exactly the one I got ... how do this make happen ?02:35
DocScrutinizerhostmode as of egoshin exploits one bug to crerate another, and in their total they result in a working enum of a peripheral02:36
DocScrutinizerbut that's not hostmode really02:36
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: It laways worked, and I always told ya it would02:36
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* MohammadAG is kind of lost02:37
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: nope, as you're not supposed to connect a charger when in hostmode02:37
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hostmode is NOT about autodetection. A usb host is sth completely different than a device, and you need to switch to hostmode via some software means. Otherwise it won't even detect when you connect a peripheral to N90002:39
DocScrutinizerand n hostmode you CAN NOT detect charger02:39
DocScrutinizer(at least in *correct* hostmode)02:39
MohammadAGone more question02:40
MohammadAGdon't have a USB F-F adapter to test this, but wouldn't running /usr/sbin/ be sufficient instead of connecting to a PC?02:40
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kpomanMohammadAG: I am also playing with host mode ... I am having problem with suspend on a powered hub ...02:40
kpomanMohammadAG: just wanna play with libusb a bit on hostmode02:40
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: interesting thought.02:41
javispedroMohammadAG: no02:41
MohammadAG    /sbin/modprobe g_nokia02:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: no idea, as I never tested egoshin's method. It wrong02:41
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: however - it's also the broken statemachine in the driver you're playing with - it's not the userside.02:41
javispedroyou really need to start a host session02:41
MohammadAGno way to force it into one?02:41
javispedrothen abruptly "interrupt" it with vbus02:41
javispedroand plug into device02:42
DocScrutinizerlisten to javispedro - he knows how to implement correct hostmode02:42
javispedrohah, but this is not it :)02:42
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes - it's possible to force it.02:42
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: but the code isn't really there in the kernel.02:42
MohammadAGand I somehow have a feeling it won't be there for some time :)02:43
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: The current method of tricking the kernel into detecting USB stuff is messy.02:43
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: no reason it can't be in a non-nokia patch.02:43
kpomanMohammadAG: isnt libusb the best approach for host mode on usb instead of recompiling the kernel ?02:43
SpeedEvilYou could even get it pushed upstream possibly.02:43
SpeedEvilkpoman: no.02:43
MohammadAGkpoman, don't ask me lol02:43
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you could use a dummy with two pulldown R to simulate the host on the USB (sth that egoshin wails to switch the PHY in N900 to)02:43
kpomanSpeedEvil: is it slow ?02:43
SpeedEvilkpoman: I'm not sure libusb can even do that02:43
SpeedEvilkpoman: USB host mode is a different configuration.02:43
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javispedrolibusb is for host kernels02:43
SpeedEvilkpoman: USB is _not_ a peer-peer net.02:44
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I doubt Nokia will fix the driver02:44
kpomanSpeedEvil: many hardware stuff I am testing right now relies on libusb, and it is quite cool not having to recompile the kernel for each test02:44
SpeedEvilkpoman: It's very much host-peripheral.02:44
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javispedroit's the one I used for displaylink stuff02:44
javispedro(libdlo uses libusb)02:44
MohammadAG(it doesn't follow the specs anyways)02:44
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* DocScrutinizer waves and heads off talking to his virus02:44
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: You can still have diff patches off the nokia tree. Or even try to push the code upstream yourself.02:44
kpomanjavispedro: dude, I installed this thing: ... but still no update there ... :(02:45
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MohammadAGCommunity SSU, I like that02:45
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MohammadAGI thought the N8x0s were abandoned02:46
kpomanMohammadAG: i am trying to get latest busybox ... no chance02:46
kpomanno luck I meant02:46
kpomandonno why :(02:47
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javispedroMohammadAG: thank lma02:47
MohammadAGthanks lma02:48
MohammadAGat least it's in the logs02:48
kpomanoh ok it seems like apt-get install busybox is working02:49
kpomanlet me try this :D02:49
kpomanit wants to install all this:02:49
kpomanosso-software-version-rx44 dnsmasq kernel-diablo-flasher libloudmouth1-0 libmodest-dbus-client libtinymail-1.0-0 libtinymail-camel-1.0-0 libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0 libtinymailui-1.0-0  libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0 libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0 modest osso-pdf-viewer xserver-xomap busybox02:50
kpomanthis is gonna be fun :D02:50
javispedrokpoman: you really, really should try to follow the instructions02:50
javispedrokpoman: use the application manager to update02:50
javispedrokpoman: if you can't, post your feedback in that thread02:50
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kpomanjavispedro: it did not find updates !02:50
kpomanno updates found even after updating everything02:50
javispedroprobably you don't have osso-software-version-rx44 package, or you removed it02:51
javispedroah well you have, it's there above.02:51
javispedrowell, so ask for support in that thread.02:51
kpomanyep, it is quite strange02:51
kpomanjavispedro: I see this: kernel-diablo-flasher ... will it brick my thing ?02:51
javispedroyes. use the application manager!02:51
javispedro(well no, but you really should use the application manager to enter it, and follow the instructions02:52
kpomanjavispedro: why isnt it finding the package then ?02:52
javispedroif it's not appearing for you for some reason PLEASE do report to lma02:52
kpomanjavispedro: how in command line do I emulate the application manager so I can pastebin whatever ?02:53
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kpomanjavispedro: because i just cant show what is going on via my n810 gui !02:53
javispedrowell just explain it, no need for a screenshot with a 100% empty application manager02:54
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kpomanjavispedro: see, I added the source you told me .. it did an update and still no info about any kind of update available02:54
Maceravatar the last air bender is so goddamn funny02:54
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kpomanjavispedro: do updates reside on a particular category ?02:57
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kpomanjavispedro: do I click on Check for updates ?02:58
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kpomanjavispedro: ok, checking ... however I am quite sure of the result02:59
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kpomanwhich is ....03:00
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kpoman(still checking ... )03:00
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tuliobaarshello people!03:01
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kpomanjavispedro: (no updates available) ! :(03:01
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* javispedro calls it a day with this driver03:02
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tuliobaarshey! i'm trying to install ubuntu 2.2 in my n81003:02
tuliobaarsbut i cant umount my mmcblk0p1! Why?03:02
tuliobaarsumount: cannot umount: device or resource busy03:03
tuliobaarspls HELP!!!03:03
SpeedEvilfuser -m /dev/whatever03:03
kamuirm -rf /03:03
kamuiok, not that03:03
pigeontoo late03:03
kpomanjavis, come back !!!!03:04
kpomanI wont bother you anymore :o :D03:04
tuliobaarssorry? i didn't understood03:04
kpomantoo late yep03:04
tuliobaarswhy? people abandoned os2008?03:04
* B-man|N900 starts disasembling hald-addon-bme03:04
kpomanI was bothering him, he ran away03:04
kamuidude, are you a woman03:05
kamuistop being som dramaticf03:05
kamuiso dramatic03:05
tuliobaarswhat are you calling me, asshole03:05
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kamuiman, you go from extreme emotion to extreme emotion03:05
kpomanat least he is not a bot03:06
kamuididn't speed tell you what to try?03:06
kamuiwhat are you getting all pissy for03:06
kamuigo try it03:06
kamuiclose the process stopping you from unmounting, and move on03:06
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kamuiaah, thats why03:07
kamuimultiple personalities ;)03:07
kamuitry what speed told you03:07
tuliobaars_good one03:07
kamuiwill probably solve your simple issue03:07
kamuior at least enable you to figure out your own answer03:07
tuliobaars_please, talk like a human being, pls03:08
kamuifuser fts03:08
kamuihis emotions are taking over again03:08
tuliobaars_o man, please, i'm just 14 old,03:08
tuliobaars_so, take it easy03:09
kamuiwell in that case03:09
kamuirun along and go play03:09
kpomanwow I think my device is rebooting after the upgrade ... i am dead :(03:09
kamuithe adults are talking here03:09
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tuliobaars_you're so polite!03:09
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kamuishoot, he's on to me03:10
kamuibetter switch to plan B03:10
kpomanat least nokia logo is still there :s03:10
kamuias much as I'd like to keep playing wiht you, I have some work to do03:10
kamuigood luck03:10
kpomanwowo the little hands too ! the sound !03:11
tuliobaars_ok, gentleman, go work...oh, are you a vigilant? it's 02:00 am here03:11
lcuktuliobaars_, note, this is a worldwide chan :)03:11
tuliobaars_good luck with your reflashing quest!03:11
lcukand of course some people work at night03:11
tuliobaars_i'm kidding, pls03:11
lcuktuliobaars_, reboot your n81003:12
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kpomancool, it worked !03:12
lcukits the easiest way03:12
kpomannow my image works :P nice :p03:12
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lcukthats good you can come and fix mine now03:12
tuliobaars_i've just tried it so many times, but thanks03:12
tuliobaars_let's reboot...03:12
kpomannow check if it has free space :p03:12
lcukwhich is the mmc thats duff?03:12
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lcukis that the 2gb internal one?03:13
kpomandamned it still says there is no available space on it :( wtf03:13
tuliobaars_cannot umlount, device or resource busy03:13
lcuktuliobaars_, its daft, usb still connected?03:13
tuliobaars_no, lcuk03:13
lcukok, theres potentially some file system thingy03:14
lcukfsck or something03:14
lcukbut i dunnot the syntax or if it will work03:14
* lcuk waves hands - linuxy stuff03:14
tuliobaars_like the dblet image?03:14
lcukno a command to try and repair filesystem03:14
MohammadAGfsck /dev/mmcblk0p103:15
MohammadAG-a for auto03:15
lcuksee, i knew someone would know03:15
* MohammadAG switches back to CoD03:15
lcukta mo03:15
MohammadAGanytime :)03:15
tuliobaars_please, go a litle slowly!03:15
kamuishouldn't he unmount the partition before fsck'ing it03:15
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tuliobaars_i'm root. and now?03:15
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lcuki dunno :$03:15
lcukfsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 ??03:16
lcuki think03:16
Termanagood morning03:16
lcukwithout the ??03:16
kamuifsck can be destructive if run on a live partition03:16
lcukhe cant mount it03:16
lcukor its unmount?03:16
tuliobaars_ohoh, i love my tablet alive...03:16
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Termanatuliobaars_, why are you doing sfdisk if your trying to just unmount it?03:22
kamuiproblem is, as I expected, they probably do that at boot time03:22
kamuiso rebooting isn't gonna help him03:22
tuliobaars_pls, wait, i've to reboot, ok? my pc? can i?03:22
kamuiIm not real familiar wiht the original N800, but doesn't it use the 2gig partition to hold the system?03:22
tuliobaars_stop for a little bit the conversation?03:23
Termanatuliobaars_, yes reboot your pc we'll still be here03:23
Termanamost likely anyway03:23
kamuiso it would be like trying to unmount root on a live system with stuff running03:23
B-man|N900hald-addon-bme dis, hex, string, and elf dumps are now up on :)03:23
tuliobaars_yes, kmui03:23
tuliobaars_why this link?03:24
tuliobaars_here i am again03:25
tuliobaars_i'm not going to reboot03:25
Termanatuliobaars_, do me a favour03:25
B-man|N900reverse engineering bme03:25
Termanatuliobaars_, your root on your device right03:25
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Termanatuliobaars_, so when your in the terminal, your commands are prefixed with a hash right (#)03:25
tuliobaars_yep, so i typed su03:26
tuliobaars_to get more privileges03:26
tuliobaars_i wanna install xubuntu i my n810.03:26
Termanatuliobaars_, now type umount -l /media/mmcblk0p103:26
tuliobaars_it isn't /dev/mmcblk0p1 ?03:27
Termanayes sorry :P03:27
Termanaumount -l /dev/mmcblk0p103:27
MohammadAGor -f and force it03:27
MohammadAGnot recommended03:27
MohammadAGI'm off03:28
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tuliobaars_oh, i think it works03:28
tuliobaars_it jumps the line, its correct03:28
MohammadAGyes, it's not verbose by default03:28
MohammadAGwhat's the cleanest way of exiting less or man?03:29
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TermanaYou shouldn't use -l on all unmounts btw :P but it got you past it this time03:29
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TermanaMohammadAG, Ctrl + C?03:29
tuliobaars_so, i typed sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk003:29
MohammadAGnot really03:29
MohammadAGI use CTRL+Z, but that's not that doesn't seem to allow the process to terminate03:29
tuliobaars_i'm folloing the tutorial03:29
MohammadAGmeh, so easy03:29
kamuidoesn't Q work for you03:29
MohammadAGyeah just tried it03:29
MohammadAGnever expected it to use letters03:30
kamuiyea, I know what you mean03:30
TermanaMohammadAG, yes, Ctrl + Z just stops it displaying to the terminal. Ctrl + C will kill the process03:30
* DocScrutinizer shakes head on madness about a silly thing like umount going on here03:30
kamuictrl-z just suspends03:30
kamuifg to return the pid03:30
kamuior bg to run it in the background03:30
kamuieither way it doesn't kill the process03:30
MohammadAGTermana, so it's actually running in the background?03:30
MohammadAGthat's a memory 'leak' plugged then03:31
kamuiwell, if you use ctrl-z its paused in the background03:31
kamuictrl-c kills it03:31
* MohammadAG hands DocScrutinizer his coffee03:31
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TermanaMohammadAG, with Ctrl + Z? I don't know, kamui is probably right, it probably suspends the process03:31
TermanaCtrl + C03:31
MohammadAGMohammadAG-N900:~# ls /dev/ | less03:31
MohammadAG[4] + Stopped                    ls /dev/ | less03:31
MohammadAG <-- this CTRL+Z03:31
DocScrutinizerdesperately needed, short on coffee03:31
tuliobaars_what I hae o , peolpe?03:31
TermanaCan I have one of those coffees? :P03:31
MohammadAGsorry, giving out bacon now03:32
* MohammadAG waits for it03:32
tuliobaars_so, what I have to do, people?03:32
kamuiMohammadAG, yea, now type fg to restore it03:32
MohammadAGabill_uk was unbanned, shortest ban I've seen03:32
tuliobaars_sfdisk doesn't work too03:32
kamuior fg PID if you suspend many apps03:32
DocScrutinizertuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount'03:32
MohammadAGkamui, it gets reloaded03:33
tuliobaars_umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk003:33
kamuiMohammadAG, yea it just resumes it03:33
kamuiso you don't have a crapload of background suspended pids03:33
tuliobaars_sfdisk doesn't work03:33
Termanatuliobaars_, what does the tutorial tell you to do?03:33
kamuikill it with the correct quit command or ctrl-c03:33
MohammadAGwhy are you repartitioning mmcblk003:33
DocScrutinizertuliobaars_: this line of yours is BS, sorry03:33
MohammadAGWHY, not how03:33
tuliobaars_what is BS?03:33
DocScrutinizermissing at least a ";"03:34
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kamuiman, you really are 1403:34
MohammadAG16* :P03:34
TermanaDocScrutinizer, no he just added the second command to the line to show he had done both commands I think03:34
tuliobaars_13, but 14 in june03:34
MohammadAGoh, him03:34
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kamuiman you youngins are lucky03:34
kamuiI didn't have great tech until I turned 18 and got a job03:34
MohammadAGnope, I missed out on the N810 times03:34
kamuia decade ago03:34
kamuisup haltdef03:34
tuliobaars_how old are you, kamui?03:34
haltdefgot my n900 with my first paycheck :P03:34
DocScrutinizerTermana: if the first throws error, what's sense of trying 2nd (sfdisk)?03:35
kamuituliobaars_, do the math, 18 + a decade03:35
TermanaDocScrutinizer, he said the first worked03:35
MohammadAGmakes sense03:35
TermanaDocScrutinizer, scroll up :P03:35
tuliobaars_sorry, i not saw it03:35
DocScrutinizerTermana: [2010-05-18 02:32:54] <DocScrutinizer> tuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount'03:35
tuliobaars_umount had worked!03:35
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Termana<tuliobaars_> oh, i think it works03:36
Termana<tuliobaars_> it jumps the line, its correct03:36
DocScrutinizertuliobaars_: [2010-05-18 02:32:54] <DocScrutinizer> tuliobaars_: please first post ourput of 'mount'03:36
tuliobaars_i'm triyng to make the sfdisk work03:36
kamuiyea, but he wants to see whats actoually mounted03:36
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kamuiyou have to start listening man03:36
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kamuijust type mount and paste the output03:36
MohammadAGMaemo disrupts my sleep03:36
kamuiMohammadAG, me too03:36
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tuliobaars_i don't know what is he saying!03:36
kamuiI lust after this os03:36
MohammadAGTue May 18 03:36:49 IDT 201003:36
tuliobaars_i'm not an english andvanced teacher03:36
Termanakamui, wtf are you talking about - he wants to repartition his SD card, not see whats mounted03:36
* DocScrutinizer sighs and goes back to some less demanding stuff03:36
kamuitermana, DOC wants to see03:37
* MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer another cup of coffee03:37
kamuiif iit was ACTUALLY unmounted!03:37
kamuidon't make me exclaim you jerks03:37
Termanakamui, EXCLAIM03:37
* kamui also goes back to something less challenging03:37
tuliobaars_it worked! just the mmcblk1p1 is shoowed03:37
kamuiIm going outside to smoke a cuban03:37
MohammadAGtuliobaars_, which device are you on exactly?03:37
tuliobaars_sorry for the stupidy,03:38
MohammadAGthought you were repartitioning the eMMC on the N90003:38
tuliobaars_anunakin is form my country! (i little of patriotism)03:38
tuliobaars_no, i can't afford that (yet)03:38
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MohammadAG    -f  [or --force]:      do what I say, even if it is stupid LOL03:38
kamuinow if we could put this kind of collaborative effort into porting a proper image display app03:39
kamui10 bucks says he could have accomplished his goal with a chroot mount03:39
kamuiand that the last 30 minutes were a waste of time03:39
MohammadAGI was porting cups, but it threw an error while making and I rm -rf'd the working directory03:39
kamuiha ha, sounds like me and like 30 projects MohammadAG03:39
MohammadAGyeah I give up too easily sometimes03:39
kamuilol me too03:40
kamuiunless I REALLY want it03:40
kamuilike blender03:40
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tuliobaars_-f worked for me03:40
tuliobaars_shoud i reboot after this?03:40
MohammadAGwouldn't that remount?03:40
kamuiyour mount table hasn't been altered03:40
kamuiso that would undo all you went through03:40
kamuiup till this point03:40
tuliobaars_xubuntu fits on the 2GB internal n80 card?03:40
kamuiplease, what was the point of all this03:41
Termanakamui, which was what? unmount his sd card :P03:41
MohammadAGmount loop /dev/kamui /dev/null03:41
kamuiand then mount the alternate device03:41
Termana"all you went through" - AKA not much03:41
tuliobaars_i umunted and partiotined, i reboot or no ?03:41
Termanatuliobaars_, what does the tutorial say to do after you have partitioned03:41
kamuimaybe you and I haven't been watching the same last 30 minutes03:41
kamuiwhen did he repartition03:42
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MohammadAGno idea03:42
kamuioh well, you guys have this03:42
Termanakamui, obviously you just haven't been watching03:42
kamuiit was entertaining03:42
tuliobaars_reboot, but some people are saynd to no!03:42
kamuitermana, I drifted in and out03:42
Termanatuliobaars_, link me to the tutorial03:42
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Termanatuliobaars_, your under step 103:43
tuliobaars_but, i have not an 4GB+ sd card, so i planned to install xubuntu in place of ubuntu03:43
TermanaIt says nothing about rebooting03:43
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tuliobaars_now i am in step 203:44
Termanatuliobaars_, give me the output of typing mount03:44
Termanaactually nevermind that03:44
Termanareboot it03:45
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tuliobaars_dev/mmcblk0p1 and 1p103:45
tuliobaars_mmc1 and mmc2,03:46
Termanatuliobaars_, reboot the device03:46
tuliobaars_so the partiotion doesn't work?03:46
tuliobaars_i've rebooted03:46
Termanatuliobaars_, as root type this03:46
Termanacd /dev03:46
Termanaand then03:46
Termanals -la | grep mmcblk03:46
MohammadAGor ls mmcblk*03:47
MohammadAGdoesn't really matter03:47
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tuliobaars_it opened a lot of things!03:47
Termanaopened a lot of things?03:47
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tuliobaars_a lot of results03:48
Termanado you mean it DISPLAYED a lot of things03:48
MohammadAGweird arrangement03:49
tuliobaars_sorry, my english is worst than my computer skills....03:49
tuliobaars_(yep, it can be)03:49
Termanatuliobaars_, theres no blk0p203:49
Maceri never knew03:49
Macerthat mako died03:49
Termanatuliobaars_, when you did sfdisk did you do it to /dev/mmcblk0 or /dev/mmcblk1 ?03:50
TermanaIt looks like you did it to blk103:50
tuliobaars_likein the tutorial03:50
Termanatuliobaars_, can I ask a question03:51
Termanahow big is your SD Card?03:51
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tuliobaars_2GB internal  2GB external03:51
tuliobaars_im looking for a bigger, but i can't afford that in moment03:52
MohammadAGanyways I'm off03:52
Termanatuliobaars_, 2GB internal... don't you have an n810? I wouldn't be playing with the partitioning of the n810s internal card03:52
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Termanaor rather eMMC03:52
tuliobaars_i've cloned to internal and afetr to external, whares the problem? (cloned the os)03:53
Termanatuliobaars_, an external card you can always fix with a computer or just replace - you can't fix/replace the eMMC if you end up in a state where you partitioned wrong and can't fix it etc.03:54
tuliobaars_oh...but...neither on gparted?03:55
tuliobaars_that's not good....03:55
TermanaWell, I mean it could probably be fixed by someone that knows what they are doing. But, you said you have low computer skills03:56
tuliobaars_but in the tutorial whas the intenal03:56
kpomanguys do you know how to enlarge debian-squeeze.img.ext2 ?03:56
kpomanI already ran resize2fs and updated busybox ... now it is 4GB long ... however when i chroot to it is still says same size as before ... do I need to make something notify that fs ?03:56
kpomanor what ?03:57
tuliobaars_but i know how to falsh the kernel, how to install a rootfs....that is enough?03:57
Termanatuliobaars_, right, but I think the tutorial was made with the n800 in mind and probably with people with intermediate computer knowledge in mind03:57
Termanaeither way, I will have to throttle B-man|N900 :P03:57
tuliobaars_i'm completly responsably for waht i doing03:58
tuliobaars_if i brick it, it's my fault. But thanks for the care, Termana03:58
tuliobaars_Termana, how should i continue this?03:58
Termanatuliobaars_, start from the start - root up, and follow exactly what the tutorial tells you03:59
TermanaForget everything we told you to do so far - tell us if you have the issue again03:59
TermanaBut follow the tutorial03:59
tuliobaars_a lot04:00
TermanaJust do a plain unmount rather than a force unmount or lazy unmount (so just do umount /dev/mmcblk0p1) at the start of the tutorial04:00
Termanaif it comes with any errors messages, I'm still here for a while :P04:01
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tuliobaars_so people, thanks for the help, i have go to sleep! You're better than the maemo forum04:02
Termanagood night tuliobaars_04:03
tuliobaars_around 2:00pm GMT i will be here again04:03
DocScrutinizer[2010-05-18 02:44:30] <Termana> tuliobaars_, give me the output of typing mount04:03
tuliobaars_Good night people (or afternoon04:03
TermanaDocScrutinizer, shut up you :P04:03
tuliobaars_thanks termana04:03
* Termana pokes DocScrutinizer with a stick04:03
tuliobaars_hehe, buye bye04:04
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, think he scared you all away. I guess the half hour before I came of unmounting probably didn't help that04:05
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DocScrutinizeractually it was him who scared me away the very least04:07
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DocScrutinizerit was 20 mad nerds jumping in with ever more brillinat advice that scared me away04:08
DocScrutinizer"ooh, unmount?! thought it was mount that failed" "fsck, fsck, FSCK!!"04:09
DocScrutinizerjust missing somebody says "eboot!"04:11
DocScrutinizerreboot even04:11
TermanaDocScrutinizer, just for interests say, I don't think that was 20 mad nerds that said the first two statements.04:12
DocScrutinizerooh wait, somebody actually did04:12
TermanaI think that was just lcuk04:12
TermanaDocScrutinizer, right, I told him to reboot when he said he finished partitioning. A) The tutorial said to do it B) If he partitioned right blk0p2 and blk0p3 should have shown up after a reboot04:13
TermanaIf someone said it in another context, maybe it was an ex-Windows administrator?04:13
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* lcuk did say those things04:20
* lcuk hangs head in shame and goes to bed04:20
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pigeonthat's weird... why is my vertsms starts up at portrait, but then it switches back to landscape, even i have the phone hold portrait?04:21
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SpeedEviloooh - cool!04:25
* SpeedEvil excersizes his thumb.04:25
SpeedEvilIt's thumbs down to let the poster live?04:26
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kamuidon't worry lcuk I was there to catch you :-D04:35
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oahubillso, i made an app, and installed it on my phone. is there any reason why the app would show up in the scratchbox, but not on the screen on an actual phone?04:49
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asjWrkoahubill: yes04:50
oahubillto clarify, i installed it successfully, and get proper terminal output. the gtk window i made is not showing up04:51
SpeedEvildoes it complain about not being able to open the terminal?04:52
SpeedEvilI would try DISPLAY=mydesktop:004:52
SpeedEviland see if it showed up on that04:52
b-man|GFTusally 0:004:52
asjWrkor run-standalone04:52
SpeedEvilyes, that04:52
b-man|GFT(at least for me)04:53
oahubillill try those04:53
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oahubillwell, neither of those DISPLAY variables worked for me04:56
oahubillSpeedEvil: it doesnt complain about not being able to open the terminal...04:57
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b-man|GFTdo you have xephyr up and running?04:58
oahubillwell, it works in xephyr. it doesnt work on the phone04:58
pigeondoes anyone know what that webcam and camera icon app is?
b-man|GFThavemyou tried running it directly on the phone without scratchbox?05:00
b-man|GFT* have you05:00
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oahubilli'm using a hildon_window, not a hildon_stackable_window, could that have an effect?05:01
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b-man|GFTi don't think it should05:02
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hajmolais there any way to use the n900 as an external display?05:05
b-man|GFToahubill: could you show me the output directly via pastebin?05:05
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SpeedEvilhajmola: yes - I've had desktop firefox showing ont he display05:06
oahubillthe output of?05:06
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hajmolaSpeedEvil, I mean, i can ssh -X and run firefox from my desktop, but is there a way i can run a program from my desktop but tell it to display on the n90005:08
hajmolaso I don't have to actually use the n90005:09
hajmola's keyboard05:09
oahubillb-man|GFT: i am trying to run it directly on the phone. the app works in scratchbox05:09
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SpeedEvilunsure, never tried that.05:11
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oahubillwell, maybe i'll throw an email out on the dev lists, see if anyone has an idea05:29
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kamuihajmola: try Xdmx05:42
kamuiI don't know if it requires xdmx on both the pc and the n900, but IIRc It only required xdmx on your desktop and can use other network displays with appropriate remote client permissions05:44
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dmj726kamui: how's the gles wrapper going?05:45
kamuiI've only seen it in action, so I can't say for sure, but its probably worth a look if you REALLY want to span your deskspace onto the N90005:45
kamuidmj726, totally stopped05:45
pigeoni haven't tried, but i assume if you disable the nolisten on tcp on the n900's Xorg, then you could just set DISPLAY=05:45
dmj726that's too bad05:45
kamuiI just hit a wall05:45
kamuiits not OVER05:45
kamuiI just have to go back and learn some basic shit before I can proceed05:45
kamuiopengl isn't very hard I've learend05:45
kamuibut Im not at the point yet where I can write the wrapper05:46
kamuiright now, my code has dozens of errors and Im now learning what Im missing in the aPi05:46
kamuinot as easy as I had hoped05:46
* dmj726 has been quite excited about your work, so please forgive my inquisitiveness05:46
kamuino need to be apologetic, Im excited too05:47
kamuiI figure if I pull it off before anyone else, Ill be forever imortalized :-D05:47
dmj726Don't worry, you will be!05:47
dmj726Have you seen the Durian trailer?05:47
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dmj726a worthwhile minute of your time05:49
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kamuimade in blender?05:50
dmj726It's the Blender Foundation's current project05:50
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kamuiok brudda, Its about time for me to be hitting the ol' dusty trail05:52
kamuiand get my ass to bed :)05:52
dmj726okay...I'm pretty impressed by the trailer too.05:52
dmj726...and they have 2 more months!05:52
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kpomanagain me05:56
kpomancan someone help me a little bit please ?05:56
kpomanit is about easy debian thing05:56
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kpomanI just want to make the ext2 file bigger, and when I mount it I still get 1.3G instead of 4G05:57
cehtehhow did you made it biggier?05:58
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cehtehand why ext2?05:59
DocScrutinizercehteh: maybe because it's been ext2 before ?06:00
kpomanresize2fs resizes those kind of filesystems, right ? the "debian chroot" thing is a pseudo partition in ext2 where you chroot, right ? :s06:00
cehtehah ok :)06:00
kpomanany ideas06:00
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cehtehnever checked how thats actually done06:00
cehtehyou extended the file with dd first?06:01
cehteh(and take care not to delete it ...)06:01
DocScrutinizerI think it's impossible to resize a chroot environment06:01
kpomancehteh: no, just the resize2fs thing, which did it enlarge from less than 2G to 4G06:01
kpomanthen fsck.ext2 etc...06:01
cehtehis the file biggier now?06:01
kpomanthen rebooted then retried06:01
kpomanyes, the file is 4GB now06:01
cehtehtried resizefs on the file or a loopback mount?06:02
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kpomanhowever sysfs                 1.2G  1.2G   30M  98% /sys06:02
kpomancehteh: on the file06:02
cehtehthe size of sys is absolutely irrelevant06:03
kpomancehteh: -rw-r--r--    1 user     root    4194304000 May 17 22:01 debian-squeeze.img.ext206:03
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kpomancehteh: how do one check the amount of free space then ?06:03
cehtehmake a loopback on it and try to resize that06:03
kpomancehteh: how do I do that ?06:03
DocScrutinizerI didn't even think about size of /sys yet o,O06:04
cehtehuhm forget it stay with it as it is :)06:04
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cehtehyou stopped all services and mountpoints and whatever was accessing that file before trying?06:04
kpomancehteh: I am surprised this is not a faq ... I mean the base size is way too small, nowadays microsd is 8GB06:05
cehtehotherwise you are skrewed anyways :)06:05
kpomanor whatever06:05
kpomanwhy that small size ?06:05
* DocScrutinizer wanders off, screaming06:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer:  .. :)06:05
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cehtehsince i have ext3 everywhere i wanted to convert that image into a directory  .. but had no need yet06:06
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kpomancehteh: so how does my chrooted environment calculate free space if /sys says that06:07
cehtehsys what?06:08
* cehteh considers following DocScrutinizer 06:08
kpomancehteh: and look at the free space ... I a gonna have problems06:11
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kpomancehteh: help me :o06:11
kpomanfor god sake06:11
cehtehwhere does that /sys mount come from and why do you think thats in any way relevant?06:12
kpomanI dont know, but why dont I even see / on my df thing ???06:12
cehtehi dont know either .. i never looked inside that chroot06:12
kpomanI just wanna have room there :( wtf06:13
cehtehbut i really recommend to setup a loop device with the image and inspect that06:13
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cehtehand before you do that you should be damn sure that *nothing* else accesses that image06:13
kpomanloop is readonly ?06:13
kpomanwhat about that casper thingie ?06:13
cehtehloop is readwrite06:13
cehtehwhen the file is big enough you can resizefs that06:14
kpomancehteh: see what I got now: E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.06:14
cehtehand again if *anything else* accesses the file you are screwed06:14
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cehtehprolly you are already skrewed06:15
dagmar_n900I seem to experience some problems on my n900. Just recently it started to give me all kinds of "Internal Error. Application 'X' closed." messages. Some widgets keep dissappearing when that happens while some 'safe' widgets remain. Any idea what could be causing this?06:15
kpomancehteh: why ? why resize2fs etc.. are not working as expected ... why06:15
kpomanis there a kernel event that needs to be fired or whatever for chroot to see the file is bigger now ?06:15
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kpomanor what06:15
kpomanwhat is this debian thing ...06:16
cehtehkpoman: for sure not06:16
* DocScrutinizer opens the door and shouts to cehteh "over here, hurry!"06:17
cehtehdagmar_n900: how much uptime? .. got an accidentally reboot, damaged filesystem? ... could be either not enough memory or something serious06:17
* cehteh will have a downtime in a few minutes .. called sleep :P06:18
dagmar_n900cehteh: rootfs seems fine - around 39 MB free, no apparent signs of damaged filesystem, dmesg doesn't spit out any problems regarding that issue. System been rebooted quite a few times06:18
cehtehno idea then .. except for some files may be corrupted silently or some other glitch, some service unavailable or something very leaky installed06:19
kpomancehteh: this guys says it should work: however it doesnt06:19
cehtehkpoman: i am absolutely possible that i can resize my chroot in no time ..06:20
cehtehand why this plenty of reboots?06:20
DocScrutinizerchroot to a loopmount :-o, resize2fs on a loopmount :-O, df /sys -- err, bye06:21
DocScrutinizerI'd not even know if resize2fs maybe needs a real decent blockdevice to work06:23
cehtehwell .. first expand the file to the desire size06:23
kpomancehteh: already did that ...06:23
cehteheither by appending 2GB statically or by making it sparse (wont work on FAT so prolly forget about that)06:23
cehtehyou did it wrong06:23
DocScrutinizerI fail to see why you need a loopmount at all for that06:24
DocScrutinizerOTOH I really couldn't care less atm06:24
kpomanDocScrutinizer: i also fail to care a lot :( I just want to go on with other problems, not this one :(06:25
cehtehDocScrutinizer: well i was under the impression that resize2fs didnt worked reliable on a file for him06:25
kpomanI want to do some python scripts to control some usb devices06:25
cehtehi never tried06:25
kpomanI just wanna download needed stuff06:26
kpomancehteh: i already mounted the loop, now ???06:26
kpomanmount -o loop -t ext2 /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext2 /tmp/loop/06:26
cehtehunmount it06:26
kpomancehteh: then ? :(06:26
cehtehcat /proc/partitions06:26
kpomancehteh: do I post the result ?06:27
cehtehwhat size for the loop is shown there?06:27
cehtehonly the loop06:27
kpomancehteh: I umounted ! do I remount ?06:27
cehtehcat /proc/partitions | grep loop06:27
kpomanI do have only this by now06:28
cehtehthere is no loop set up ...06:28
cehtehlosetup /dev/loop0  /media/mmc1/debian-squeeze.img.ext206:28
cehtehcat /proc/partitions | grep loop06:28
kpomancehteh: do you want me to remount ?06:29
cehtehno you should *not* mount it06:29
cehtehso whats the size now?06:29
kpomancehteh: I dont have losetup ...06:30
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cehtehyou have losetup .. thats in busybox no excuse06:31
kpoman-sh: losetup: not found06:31
kpomannot in busybox neither06:31
kpomanuid=0(root) gid=0(root)06:31
cehtehhow did you get dm-0 now? ...06:32
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kpomanmounting via the provided script ( /sbin/debian )06:32
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DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/i2c# losetup --help06:33
DocScrutinizerBusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian multi-call binary06:33
DocScrutinizerUsage: losetup [-o OFS] LOOPDEV FILE - associate loop devices06:33
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kpomanDocScrutinizer: I still am able to mount -o loop06:33
DocScrutinizerdid I mention somebody asked about N800 today06:33
cehteh.. well i go to bed ..06:33
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cehtehwhen you mount it and resize your FS then it will be damaged at best ..06:34
kpomancehteh: no problem dude06:34
kpomanDocScrutinizer: I mounted manually:
kpomanmhm ?06:36
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cehtehn810 .. ok but well ..06:37
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kpomani am not understanding dude sorry bout that :(06:38
cehtehIt can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file06:38
cehteh       system located on device.  If the filesystem is mounted, it can be used to expand the size of the  mounted  filesys-06:38
cehteh       tem,  assuming  the  kernel  supports  on-line resizing.  (As of this writing, the Linux 2.6 kernel supports on-line06:38
cehteh       resize for filesystems mounted using ext3 only.).06:38
DocScrutinizercehteh: [2010-05-18 01:53:47] <kpoman> javispedro: because i just cant show what is going on via my n810 gui !06:38
cehteh.. you better rtfm ..06:38
cehtehDocScrutinizer: well i just looked later here06:39
cehtehbut still the pronciple for the n810 should be very similar06:39
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DocScrutinizeryep, but there was also a n810 messybox update issue around that time06:39
cehtehyou can use the device mapper instead loop device too if you have those tools installed06:39
Funnyfacedoes the CA-75U (TV cable for N900) contain any electronics at all, or is it just a simple straight through cable?06:40
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DocScrutinizerso when he claims his messybox doesn't know losetup06:40
cehtehmaybe you can mount it readonly and pray06:40
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cehtehFunnyface: should be just a cable06:40
kpomancehteh: I am with the thing mounted rw, I am able to chroot to it or whatever06:40
cehtehkpoman: seen what i pasted above06:40
Funnyfacealright that's what I thought, it's just that it has a little fancy box, so I thought maybe they could have put something in there :P06:41
* GAN900 wonders why the rendering is so ugly in all of the 3rd party browsers.06:41
kpomancehteh: "It can be used to enlarge or shrink an unmounted file ..."06:41
cehtehwhen you resize a filesystem which is mounted (and not supported by the kernel) then the kernel will write back the superblock at unmount time06:41
kpomanwhat is it ?06:41
cehtehthat means it will destroy your filesystem06:41
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kpomancehteh: I already mounted/umounted many times06:41
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kpomancehteh: and when I resized it was already umounted06:42
cehtehyeah you still did something wrong06:42
cehtehproof of that: it didnt worked06:42
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cehtehhow much space is on your device?06:42
cehteh(sd card)06:43
kpomancehteh: see the only strange thing was when I shrinked the file I was using an older busybox which didnt support large files ... however I upgraded and it did work again06:43
cehtehjust mount 2 filesystems and copy the damn files over and then delete the small image06:43
kpomancehteh: /dev/mmcblk1p1            7.4G      3.9G      3.5G  53% /media/mmc106:43
* DocScrutinizer starts to feel really depressed by a strange kind of IRC-deja-vu06:43
DocScrutinizerWTF do you need a loopmount AT ALL??06:44
kpomancehteh: I really would like to understand wtf went wrong here .. i just used common tools, wtf06:45
cehtehDocScrutinizer: i am not sure but manpage tells about 'device' and i wont wonder when they using some ioctls for resize2fs06:45
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cehtehand sprinkle some fairy dust over the device so that plain file resizing doesnt work06:46
kpomanDocScrutinizer: I did not partition my sdcard cause I even didnt know how to do that. I just installed that supercommon thing called debian-donno-what and it just worked ... but why on earth did it create a 1.3G :(06:46
DocScrutinizerthat's not my point though06:46
Funnyfacespeaking of file systems, the other day I put a microSD in my N900 and used the built in file browser to format it, which FS did it use for it you think? FAT32?06:46
cehtehsomethnig like that06:46
kpomancehteh: is the squeeze term in the name of the file a reference to some strange tool used to mount ?06:46
cehtehvfat? whats the difference? i dont know06:46
kpomanvery fat06:47
cehtehDocScrutinizer: whats your point then about the loopback?06:47
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: you considered to ask the friendly tool 'mount' about the filetype of the sd-card?06:48
cehtehbtw mke2fs works on a image .. i am quite sure i used that once06:48
FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer: nah, didn't think too much about it, and couldn't be bothered to pick up my N900 right now06:48
Funnyfaceit's charging in an awkward place, and I'd rather not put more wear on the USB jack than necessary :)06:49
* DocScrutinizer needs to get away from kbd, before sarcasm hits the roof06:49
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DocScrutinizermight consider to kick users just for fun06:49
DocScrutinizerso, bye06:49
cehteh[00:58] <Harzilein>
cehteh[00:58] <Harzilein> Oh, a sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention.06:50
cehteh[00:59] <e_> BEEEP06:50
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cehtehgood night06:51
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kpomanok, I am repartitioning the microsd with parted, then I will create a real partition where I will temporarily copy all the easy-deb thing ... then I will create a definitive partition and I will put back the files there07:25
kpomankinda sucks but, well, wont spend my life on this :(07:26
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Surfawonder why the ecoach doesn't offer an update via app manager08:15
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* RST38h moos evilly08:19
RST38hhelo zap08:19
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zapmorning :)08:20
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Surfahm, what could be wrong when all packages return "ignoring version from wrong domain"08:29
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Surfaslightly annoying, plenty of complaints on the forums, but no feasible solution08:41
DaGamehey there08:42
DaGameare there any ppl from bulgaria08:42
-DaGame- Anybody from bulgaria?08:42
* DaGame is looking for bulgarians.08:43
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pupnik"sms delivery failed" - is there any more info available as to why?08:47
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pigeonit probably failed to find out why too...08:55
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pupnikdialing the number gives "call not established"09:01
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kaien900i said i wouldnt, but i bought an n900... and i really like it. its fast. a question:09:11
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kaien900in microb, is there a mouse gesture, or a keyboard shortcut, to quickly go back one page?09:14
petteriyes, backspace09:14
ptlbackspace is the same as pressing the back button, isn't it?09:16
petterino it is not09:16
petteriback button takes you to the view of last pages or something like that09:16
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meceI'm a little confused. does an element in a hildon.touchselector only have a label?09:19
pigeonhmm, i'm surprised there isn't a gui client for dict/dictd in the repo...09:21
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dmj726how can anyone actually find fingerpainting on a 3.5" screen useful?09:35
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dmj726mypaint with a fingerpad is terrible.  I can only imagine what an idevice would be like.09:37
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dmj726...mypaint with a stylus is very nice though.09:37
pupnikcorrect dmj72609:37
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pupnikwe may have to buy extra n900s for the future09:38
pupnikmaybe the future gets worse09:38
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* dmj726 just made a very nice sketch with mine.09:38
Surfaare there some issues with extras repo?09:38
Surfaok, great..09:38
Surfai spent few moments debugging why upgrades don't work :)09:39
dmj726 this with mypaint and a stylus would be useful.09:39
pupnikI've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.09:39
dmj726Apple should make one.  THey could call it an ipad09:39
dmj726oh wait...09:40
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dmj726...capacitive screens are frustrating unless the manufacturer includes the special stylus.09:40
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* dmj726 is rambling tonight.09:41
pupniki had a genius idea for mypaint09:42
dmj726please tell!09:42
pupnikuse a seperate tablet for color selection / mixing09:42
mecegrr argh gtk cellrenderer is confusing me.09:42
dmj726hmm...that might work.09:43
dmj726That's why there needs to be a Maemo/Meego tablet with a 9-11 inch resistive screen.09:43
pupnikyou know like how an artist has his seperate pad for paints?09:43
pupnikleave your n800, 770, n810 on the table and just pick/blend colors09:44 the least, a big maego tablet would have room to have a color strip at the bottom09:44
mecemypaint is awesome btw.09:45
* dmj726 would have to borrow his mom's n900 for this.09:45
dmj726It is.09:45
dmj726One of my favorite Maemo apps.09:45
dmj726A few keyboard shortcuts aside, it feels like it was designed for the tablet.09:46
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dmj726In a way, it was.09:46
pupniki really need to customize a workflow for myself for mypaint09:46
Surfapupnik, is there some announcement about that issue or something that you just have to know?09:46
dmj726considering that the n900 is a linux computer with a graphics tablet built in.09:46
pupnikSurfa: i just had the idea while sleeping this morning09:47
dmj726I would like to see mypaint tweaked to have somewhat better defaults for the n90009:47
meceunfortunately none of this explains how I get a cellrenderer to render one columnt from the liststore that is the modelt for the touchselector column.09:47
Surfapupnik, right..09:48
pupnikheh what are you working on mece09:48
mecewow. a lot of typos in that one O.o09:48
mecepupnik, a wine database interface using fuzzy onthologies.09:48
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mecepupnik, it's actual work. Imagine that. I managed to convince my boss to do it on the N900 :D09:49
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mece"You can optionally pass a gtk.CellRenderer in cell_renderer, together with a None -terminated  list of pairs property/value, in the same way you would use gtk.TreeViewColumn.set_attributes()." -- what the shit? I'm too tired to understand any of this...09:52
meceI can't imagine how I managed to get this done before. Completely confused now.09:52
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pupnik++ mece09:53
* mece is getting a humongous cup-o-joe. That should help.09:54
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Stskeepsthat 3d driver makes me cry09:55
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meceStskeeps, have one been provided for you? (for mer, I assume)09:56
Stskeepsthe n8x0 one from TI09:57
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Stskeepsturns out most of the driver is a big fat lie09:57
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Stskeepsit works, sortof, but most of the routines in the driver does -nothing-09:57
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dmj726heh...anyone able to install the sdk in ubuntu 10.04?09:59
pupnikanybody in taiwan?  i need something shipped  sauce10:00
larsweylol pupnik10:00
dmj726pupnik what OS are you on?10:00
dmj726...which distro/version?10:01
pupniksidux!  http://sidux.com10:01
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meceI'm on an old xpc with windows xp running linux mint 7 in virtualbox. Things are.. well snappy they aren't. Let's leave it at that.10:02
dmj726why the winxp?10:02
pupnikdrivers? :)10:02
meceḮ'm at work10:02
meceit was like that when I got here.10:02
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dmj726...XP was the virtualized OS at work for me.10:03
meceI added linux in the virtualbox, and stole another monitor from a coworker :)10:03
meceso it's pretty convenient, albeit slow.10:03
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meceso i'm running virtual maemo in virtual linux in windows xp.10:03
dmj726...I'm happy with how robust Linux is when it fails.10:03
Surfarobust when it fails :)10:04
Surfasounds funny10:04
mecemy linux is nice enough to not fail.10:04
meceSurfa, fail and robust doesn't compute10:04
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dmj726seriously dead xservers and kernel panics on boot are like 30 minute fixes.10:04
dmj726You can even do an upgrade in the process.10:04
dmj726I'm pretty sure that a bluescreening xp + 30 minutes and a windows 7 disc don't equal all of your documents and settings preserved now running under the newest version of windows.10:05 clue why my netbook was getting kernel panics all of a sudden though.10:07
dmj726Rather glad I had my home folder on a second partition though.10:07
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dmj726That's a pretty nice recovery from a pretty catastrophic failure.10:08
pupnikty for reminder to backup browser settings10:08
meceaw fuck it. This is too cmplicated. I'll just  parse the data using the label as key in a dict.10:08
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mecedmj726, yeah that is a good idea. Infact I think I'll do that on my computer at home tonight.10:09
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pupnikmece - yup, sometimes you gotta cut the time-consuming ideas10:09
peturto put things in perspective, linux runs fine on my netbook, but if I want to actually use it (use my network) I have to boot windows (or use a supported wifi dongle).10:09
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dmj726Yep, and the failure allowed me to upgrade to lucid and reorganize the partitions to fix a lack of free space on the root partition.10:10
pupnikprotip: check the wifi chipset before buying10:10
mecepupnik, I mean it's super easy to get a touchselector to display stuff and select it, but if you want actual data in there too besides the lable, you have to go deep into gtk territory.10:10
dmj726petur: your wifi doesn't just work?10:10
dmj726man, that's like so 200810:11
meceI guess I've just been lucky enough to have the correct hardware, because everything just worked right away when I installed it. It being linux mint 7.10:12
peturthere's a driver (broadcomm), but connections to my wifi are only made sporadic. Most of the time it times out claiming the wpa key doesn't work. My laptop (on 10.04) can connect fine, so it's the broadcomm driver.10:12
meceskipping 8 and going straight to 9 in a couple of weeks.10:12
pupnikpetur: broadcom driver will improve a lot in newer kernels10:12
dmj726...Last I checked, I've been having more driver pain with windows than linux.10:12
pupnikjust installing windows is enough to make me want to kill someone10:13
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pupnikall the *shit* you have to do.  like a god-damn circus poodle10:14
* petur waits for ubuntu to catch up with the rest of the world. By then this netbook will be old junk :/10:14
pupniklike a gimp10:14
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pupnikideapad S10-2 petur?10:14
peturnope, hp mini 510210:15
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dmj726I spent an hour just installing the drivers on windows that ubuntu included by default10:15
pupniknice petur - with the non-glare screen?  and the nice price?10:15
dmj726...non-glare screen!10:15
peturyes, non-glare hi-res screen10:15
mecehow hi-res?10:16
peturand 10 hours battery life :)10:16
dmj726Why do they keep making glossy screens?10:16
dmj726I still have an eeepc 90010:16
dmj726...small enough to just fit in your pocket, matte screen, and the keys are ordered:10:17
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dmj726...which is the best ordering for a linux user.10:17
meceso are you guys as excited about the upcoming Watain album as I am?10:18
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meceI guess not.10:18
meceswedish black metal. They're very good within the genre :)10:19
dmj726I still have to read Cory Doctorow's last book and a half.10:19
meceand what's that?10:20
dmj726I got to talk with him a bit on Thursday.10:20
dmj726the last half of Makers and For The Win.10:20
dmj726He's a really good scifi author.10:20
meceo scifi10:20
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meceand you're meeting him?10:20
meceerr you met him?10:21
dmj726I did on Thursday.10:21
mecethat's cool10:21
mecewhat did he say?10:21
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dmj726A lot of it was about gaming, goldfarming and such with his new book, but he also talked about british politics and the Digital Economy Act, which has some pretty unpleasant things like kicking families off the internet based on accusations ands such.10:22
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dmj726He also mentioned that his daughter likes to watch flash video on his n800.10:22
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dmj726...I mentioned that I was the person who made the video of the n900 reading his book on his blog.10:23
meceI actually talked alot to a person who makes a living drilling for gold this weekend.10:23
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dmj726...that's where (typically chinese) gamers mine for virtual gold and items in games and sell them to rich players for real money10:24
edheldilmece: in WoW? :)10:24
meceno, this guy drills for gold in real life.10:24
dmj726yeah...apparently his latest book involves MMO goldfarmers unionizing.10:24
mecewhich is actually very interesting, and much cooler than doing it virtually. IMHO.10:24
* edheldil vomits10:25
dmj726Sounds unusual, but given his previous two books, I'm willing to give it a try.10:25
dmj726Little Brother was fantastic and Makers is really good so far, but I haven't had time to finish it.10:25
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dmj726You can download his books for free on his website. by the way.10:26
dmj726He's a fan of the whole creative commons thing.10:27
mecedmj726, you can download them? Well in that case I'll buy them.10:27
dmj726I downloaded and read a couple and promptly bought them and shoved them into my friends hands.10:27
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alteregoI was thinking of writing a small app which maps cellular connectivity stats to geolocation10:34
Treibholzhas somebody ported ClamAV yet to Maemo?10:35
alteregoI was thinking of getting it to anonymously update information through a web service for mapping cellular connectivity information, maybe based on google maps or something.10:35
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pupniki was thinking we ought to be getting more fun info from the cellmodem10:40
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pupniklike 'why did that sms not work'10:40
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meceTreibholz, what's ClamAV?10:43
Treibholzmece: a virus scanner.10:43
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TreibholzThat was meant as a joke...10:46
* mece is slow10:46
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mecealso some people are serious about stuff like that.10:46
mecewrongly so, but still.10:46
ptlsince I can't ask about PR1.2 here without being kicked, can I ask if there is any way of asking about PR1.2 without being kicked?10:47
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Treibholzalthough one could scan MicriSD-Cards for viruses, then...10:47
Stskeepsrot13 it?10:47
meceptl, no. on both accounts10:47
mecewhat about pr1.2?10:47
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ptlI won't ask, I don't want to be kicked. (I was just going like " are we there yet? ", but I never said that)10:48
meceapparently we're not :)10:48
Treibholzwhat about http://www.ismaemopr1.2releasedyet.com10:48
dotblankwhen 1.2 comes out im going to release my GrooveShark client10:49
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fcrozathmm modest has a bad tendancy to sometime use 3G acces to check for mail even if it was configured to not check over 3G10:53
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phellarvfcrozat: I had a similar experience a month ago. My phone-bill for that month was not a pleasant experience.11:00
phellarv<--- Get lots of mails11:00
fcrozatphellarv: yes, me too, I was able to get cancelled by my operator ;)11:00
fcrozats/get/get it/11:00
infobotfcrozat meant: phellarv: yes, me too, I was able to get it cancelled by my operator ;)11:00
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FIQHi. I've no idea why i have mksh installed, but i'm unable to remove it. Is it some way to delete it manually?11:01
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ptlwhy you are unable?11:13
ptlapt-get --purge remove mksh11:13
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pupnikTell us what you love about N900 and what you’d like to see changed. Your answers will help us improve N900 and make future Nokia devices better than ever.
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pupnikwhere do i click to *Take* the survey?11:23
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pgas "The N900 survey has ended"11:26
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Appiaha survey11:26
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copumpkinis there a way to convince the installer script for scratchbox (for maemo 5) from the nokia site to install on my x86-64 system? I don't plan on using the qemu stuff, I just need to compile for my n900 and then copy the executables there11:27
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FIQWhy doesn't bash want to read the .bashrc file in maemo?11:27
FIQWhen i use bash through debian armel, it does11:28
pgasMaybe your shell is a login shell? and thus read .profile .bash_profile and not .bashrc?11:28
pgasalso depending on the copmilation it might source .bashrc when you use ssh or not11:30
FIQActually, when i start bash from bash (cmd "bash") it reads it11:30
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FIQBut, when i start it from the menu ("X Terminal") it doesn't11:31
FIQAnd yes, i've changed the default shell to bash11:31
pgastry: shopt | grep login11:31
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FIQlogin_shell    on11:32
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pgaslogin shells don't source .bashrc11:32
FIQah, k11:33
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FIQwhat file does it source then?11:33
pgas put something like [ "$BASH_VERSION" ] && case $- in *i*) . ~/.bashrc;;esace in your .profile11:33
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pgas.bash_profile or .bash_login or .profile11:33
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smokuFIQ, firmware does not use bash. /bin/sh comes from scratchbox and it's not bash11:34
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infobotsmoku meant: FIQ, firmware does not use bash. /bin/sh comes from busybox and it's not bash11:35
smokua typo11:35
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smokuergo it does not use bash-specific configuration file11:36
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pgas<FIQ> And yes, i've changed the default shell to bash11:36
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smokuby editing xterm.desktop file? :>11:36
FIQi did it through /etc/passwd11:38
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pupnikthanks for that keyboard file again smoku11:38
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pupnikone of the coolest jobs ever is open here:  "The ideal candidate for this position will have at least 5 years of programming experience in Linux graphics area. In-depth understanding of and Linux Graphics drivers development background is mandatatory. The candidate should also have previous experience and visibility to the Linux Graphics community side (Mesa,, driver developmetn, etc."....11:38
* pupnik sighs11:38
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FIQand .bash_profile seems to actually include .bashrc if it exists11:39
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FIQ"if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then(newline). ~/.bashrc(newline)fi"11:40
smokuFIQ, I'm not sure whether osso-xterm honors passwd entry11:40
FIQBut it actually starts bash11:40
FIQand not sh11:40
FIQafter the edit11:40
lcukpupnik, there are cooler jobs, but that sounds decent11:40
smokupupnik, n/p11:41
FIQSeems as it doesn't11:41
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FIQi mean11:42
MohammadAGI borked scratchbox, how awesome is that11:42
smokuFIQ, so it is as pgas said - login shells read .profile (and .bash_profile in bash case, not .bashrc) - just source .bashrc in your .bash_profile11:42
FIQBut it already is sourced in there11:43
FIQ[10:42:17] <FIQ> "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then(newline). ~/.bashrc(newline)fi"11:43
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FIQ(xchat doesn't want to paste multilines)11:43
pgasput set -x at the beginning of .bash_profile, you should see what's executed11:44
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FIQno change11:44
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VDVsxpupnik, where's that job ? :)11:45
pupniktampere, fi11:45
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VDVsxah, so maemo/meego11:46
pupnikthere's what, like 10 people on the planet qualified for it? :)11:46
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FIQecho 'test' didn't show up eihter11:46
VDVsxpupnik, there are more for sure, at least people11:46
VDVsxbut probably already working for Intel or Nokia :D11:47
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pupnik  240 *pages* of love for the Nokia E90  .. :)  Wonder if we could get maemo on it :P11:57
viliny__is E90 a new model?11:58
viliny__oh right, yes11:58
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viliny__3 year old device it is then :P12:01
viliny__any good?12:01
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pupnikhas clamshell with huge keyboard.  but screen resolution doesn't fit maemo4 well12:03
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viliny__got rid of my n95 recently12:06
viliny__now reading about it sounds kinda powerful12:06
viliny__only thing i miss is picture quality on photos12:07
viliny__n900 is kinda hit and miss for most parts so far... wonder if software tweaks will fix it12:07
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brikyeah can be hard taking good photos with it, but  they are good when you get it right :p12:09
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SpeedEvilFor values of good that don't include 5MP.12:09
* SpeedEvil sighs.12:09
viliny__I don't get that sentence SpeedEvil12:10
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viliny__but yeah, macro pictures with n900 so far have been very much to my liking12:10
SpeedEvilSticking 'Carl Zeis' on a label next to the lens does not mean it can break the laws of physics.12:10
SpeedEvilThe lens cannot resolve 5MP onto the imager, it's too small.12:11
MohammadAGwas the N95's lens larger?12:11
pupnikthe photons are too big?12:11
SpeedEvilpupnik: yes.12:12
viliny__SpeedEvil: example 1 has a camera with the label carl zeiss next to it, example 2 comes out several years later with pretty much the same hardware on the camera department but the latter has a inconsistent quality track record in my case.12:12
SpeedEvilviliny__: I mean the n900 lens12:12
viliny__ah i see12:12
SpeedEvilviliny__: It's simply a case of diameter - 1.8mm has a diffraction of 1.22* wavelength/diameter - which turns out to be too large to obtain 5MP images12:13
viliny__too small?12:13
SpeedEvilWhich is borne out by zooming in - you will never see a image with adjacent black and white pixels.12:13
SpeedEvilThe optical resolution - how much the smallest angular distance it can sense is - is the inverse of the lens diameter. This is why astronomical telescopes are large. (well one reason)12:14
viliny__wait now, the n900 has a smaller lens than the n95, right?12:14
SpeedEvilI don't off-hand know.12:15
viliny__i have both phones in my vicinity12:15
MohammadAGInconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! <-- any ideas? the reinstall isn't working12:15
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: reinstall of what?12:15
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, scratchbox12:15
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pupnikcheck out the nokia N93 for a cool lens, SpeedEvil12:15
MohammadAGit broke on me for some reason12:15
viliny__pupnik: damn that thing looks fragile12:16
pupnikn97 mini and n900 have same size lens from appearance12:16
pupnik3x optical zoom - takes nice pics12:16
SpeedEvilpupnik: Open the n900 up - look at the lens, and you can see it's ~1.8mm in diameter12:17
SpeedEvilThe middle glass bit.12:17
pupnikyeah i can see that tiny hole from outside -- itt's the n93 that has the 3x optical12:17
SpeedEvilTo make decent optical system, you'd need to make it thicker12:18
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mece1optical zoom on that one12:18
mece1n93 has really big optics for a phone12:18
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pupnikmece1: yeah, i am impressed they had the cojones to make that form factor.  looks like a digital video camera12:19
SpeedEvilYou could - without affecting the footprint of the camera on the phone - just design - make the camera a good 1mm thicker 'free' - slightly redesign the camera shutter assembly.12:19
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SpeedEvilTo do more means you need to punch a hole in the PCB - which would actually be not too much of an issue in the n900.12:20
pupnikor you could mount camera on the side -- like N93
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viliny__id rather not have that12:25
viliny__i have seen a battered n93 at work here, looks like a goddamn discarded toy12:26
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pupnikviliny__: anyway SpeedEvil is 100% correct about the lens issue12:30
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viliny__pupnik: Yeah, pity though.12:31
SpeedEvilYou can in principle upgrade the n900s camera.12:32
SpeedEvilIt's socketed.12:32
viliny__the phone can all but make mashed potatoes and they give it a lens thats too small :/12:32
SpeedEvilI have real doubts there will ever be a better suitable camera module that will fit in the same hole.12:32
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viliny__maybe get the usb h mode working so you can carry around a system camera and then transfer the pictures via usb cable to the n900 :P12:33
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pupnikthe n900 is good enough for me.  my real camera is lonely now12:33
BCMMit is better than my digital camera12:34
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viliny__i feel discouraged to take photos but yeah, it's pretty good if the lights hits it just right12:34
viliny__photos at night though...12:34
SpeedEvilviliny__: Bluetooth would in principle work.12:35
BCMMmy digital camera is pretty old though; looks like a regular film compact12:35
BCMM(and weighs the same)12:35
SpeedEvilviliny__: Though if you can afford a digital camera with bluetooth, you may as well hire a photographer to follow you around.12:35
pupniknothing compares to a big, quality sensor12:35
viliny__SpeedEvil: not to mention switching the memory card around12:36
adeusI have a camera with wlan12:36
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adeussupports ad-hocing12:36
SpeedEviladeus: yeah - that's another alternative.12:36
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SpeedEvilSD card with wifi inside.12:37
SpeedEviland the n900 in master mode12:37
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adeusit's old12:39
adeusmaybe this thing
SpeedEviladeus: no - the eye fi works with any camera with a SD card. It's rather clever. (though also annoying in other ways)12:40
SpeedEvil(but can be hacked to be less annoying)12:40
pupniki wonder if a Shack-Hartman sensor could be used to cover the whole back of a cell-phone12:41
adeusSpeedEvil, I wast just wondering what model I had12:41
pupnikand somehow generate a coherent image12:41
SpeedEvilpupnik: in principle you can do stuff like that12:41
SpeedEvilpupnik: It's maybe a few decades off though.12:41
pupniki am outgeeked12:42
SpeedEvilCoherent imaging requires accurate phase reconstruction. This is doable at microwaves, but not without reference beams with semiconductors at optical freqs12:43
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MohammadAGb-man, ping12:47
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kaiethe test on returns failure for n900's microb12:54
* satmd reads and thinks this should need fixing12:55
pupniki still can't get a reliable mouse cursor on N900 without starting a flash-website (for use with synergy)12:56
SpeedEvilpupnik: it seems a little picky as to the drag-in point for the left for me12:58
viliny__SpeedEvil: that memory card sounds awesome...12:58
supertrampwhat's the best GPS software for n900 / europe?12:58
tybolltsupertramp: sygic12:58
pupniknobody besides me sets the n900 next to computer and uses it with keyboard/mouse12:59
tybolltpupnik: "works for me"12:59
pupnikwhich synergy do you use tybollt ?  maybe someone fixed this stuff12:59
tybolltI don't12:59
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tybolltthe mouse cursor appears just fine12:59
dotblankcheck it out12:59
tybolltis what I meant12:59
supertramptybollt: is there IGO or tomtom?12:59
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tybolltsupertramp: S Y G I C13:00
dotblankpreview of the grooveshark client13:00
dotblankthis is for ubuntu x6513:00
pupnikah well, now i have mouse cursor in all apps (after loading
supertramptybollt: ok :) is it free? :)13:00
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tybolltsygic is payware (IIRC)13:00
MohammadAGanyone using 1.1.1?13:01
MohammadAGgot the stock headphones?13:01
fraggelntybollt: yea, it is. costs rounte 39.99euro13:01
tybolltMohammadAG: can't try now - why?13:01
fraggelnehh. round..13:01
MohammadAGheadset-control doesn't seem to be working for some users13:02
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MohammadAGI have 1.2 packages on a 1.1.1 install, so can't check13:02
tybolltfraggeln: not much but still a PITA to pay for something all other (new) nokla phones get FOR FREE :)13:02
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tybolltMohammadAG: Huh? How can you? Shouldn't install13:02
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fraggelntybollt: ovi maps? :)13:02
tybolltMohammadAG: qt 4.5 vs 4.6?13:02
fraggelnits free :D13:02
MohammadAGtybollt, yes it shouldn't install, but it did :P13:03
tybolltfraggeln: no13:03
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tybolltfraggeln: ovi maps on the n900 is useless POS.13:03
MohammadAG(some apps are broken though)13:03
tybolltMohammadAG: you're basically chuck norris awesome! You installed a package that can't be installed ;)13:03
tybolltanyway I guess I can check13:04
tybolltwhat's the procedure13:04
furunk3lyes hello13:04
tybolltplug in headphones see if I can manipulate volume?13:04
MohammadAGapt-get install headset-control13:04
MohammadAGand see if you can pause the song using the button13:04
tybolltfair enough13:04
MohammadAGthe end button has been useless to me till I got the package lol13:04
tybolltMohammadAG: does the thing have some mp3 from default?13:04
tybolltI don't have any songs on my device :S13:04
MohammadAGhmm, think so13:05
MohammadAGIt has some good stuff from Keith Merrow13:05
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ZogGMohammadAG, people in Israel are fu##ing stupid13:06
tybolltZogG: amen to that13:06
MohammadAGZogG, I'll second that13:06
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ZogGyesterday i was sitting in bar13:06
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ZogGand there was drunk guy13:07
tybolltZogG: Israelians and Arabs in that area are about equally stupid though ;)13:07
MohammadAGpeople in general are stupid13:07
ZogGafter he disturbed all the bar13:07
tybolltoi yeah13:07
tybolltpeople are stupid13:07
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ZogGlong story short - he started to jerk off in the middle of bar13:07
MohammadAGtybollt, I'm from IL, just for the record :P13:07
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ZogGand it was near us13:07
ZogGtybollt, for the record i'm from Israel too13:08
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tybolltZogG: Drunk people are idiots everywhere - that is universal :)13:09
ZogGhe was on drugs i think13:09
ZogGnever saw something like that13:09
tybolltprobably meth13:09
* MohammadAG replaces "drunk" with a wildcard13:09
tybolltMohammadAG: drunk people are stupid*er* ;)13:09
ZogGMohammadAG, do you drink ?13:09
MohammadAG1. I'm 1613:10
MohammadAG2. Name gives a clue :P13:10
ZogGoh 213:10
MohammadAG3. Wouldn't do it even if 2 was invalid13:10
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ZogGyeah - that's why i asked13:10
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MohammadAGtybollt, what about tmo users?13:11
tybolltOuch :D13:11
tybolltyou're saying TMOers are worse than drunks? :D13:11
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ZogGi thinkty is an alcoholist13:11
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pupnikdesigners of 8088, IBM-PC and Soundblaster... don't know what drugs they were on13:12
MohammadAGtybollt, kind of :P13:13
pupnikspend some time with dosbox13:13
smokuworse is better13:13
* MohammadAG points and laughs
JaffaMorning, all13:14
MohammadAGMorning Jaffa13:15
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ZogGMohammadAG isn't mplayer-plugin should play the quicktime stuff on sites?13:16
MohammadAGno idea lol13:17
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MohammadAGnever used QT <-- hey that stands for something else too13:17
smokutybollt, it's not universal.
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dotblankqt is awesome13:19
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MohammadAGQT sucks though :P13:19
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dotblankMohammadAG, you running debian13:19
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dotblankor ubuntu13:19
ZogGi found
MohammadAGsame thing basically13:20
ZogGthe desing is so terrible13:20
lcukMohammadAG runs windows millenium, he thinks its uber cool13:20
smokuqt is yawnsome13:20
ZogGi prefer gtk+ on desktop13:20
MohammadAGlcuk, 3.01 actually13:20
dotblankcause I'll show him qt is awesome by giving him a preview deb of the grooveshark client i'm writing13:20
wall[e]anyone have font for contact and calendar bigger?13:20
lcukoh you ugraded finally13:20
MohammadAGbut it's themed to look like Windows 713:20
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MohammadAGit uses hildon-desktop too13:21
wall[e]correction: anyone know how to make font for contact and calendar bigger?13:21
MohammadAGtook me time to compile it for windows 3.0113:21
MohammadAGdotblank, that isn't packaged correctly is it :P13:22
MohammadAGoh nvm, one binary only13:22
MohammadAGdidn't see it13:22
ZogGi hacked n900 and replaced hildon with aero13:22
dotblankMohammadAG, its super beta.. plus this is the first program ive ever made13:23
wall[e]is address book a part of modest?13:24
wall[e]or it is a separated app?13:24
wall[e]or where can i find it?13:24
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SpeedEvilI think it's closed13:27
wall[e]i don't see address book there13:28
wall[e]er, i searched wrong window!13:29
SpeedEvilI've never used it, dunno13:29
MohammadAGdotblank, no source? :)13:29
wall[e]i need to change font size13:30
dotblankMohammadAG, if you want it i can give it too13:30
MohammadAGwas thinking about compiling it for the N90013:32
MohammadAGlooks like C++ though, wouldn't want to edit it13:32
dotblankI already did13:32
dotblankand it works well13:33
MohammadAGbah, I don't even have the compiler working properly13:33
dotblankits all on my hardrive13:33
MohammadAGforgot that the SDK broke13:33
MohammadAGsec gonna try to reboot13:33
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dotblankDoes your n900 have the sdk libqt4.6.2?13:33
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wall[e]is address book a gtk app?13:36
wall[e]what's the actual process?13:37
wall[e]for contacts13:37
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wall[e]which directory keep .desktop file for installed app?13:42
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lcukwall[e], /usr/share/applications/hildon13:43
wall[e]lcuk, thanks13:43
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wall[e]i wonder how to start contacts from command line13:46
wall[e]tried osso-addressbook but it didn't work13:46
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wall[e]any source for libcalendarui ?14:05
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mintuxhi I bought nokia n900 2 hours ago. the first problem is I can not connect to my wireless access point (linsys) it protected with wep14:09
mintuxsorry wpa14:09
Corsacn900 works pretty fine with wpa14:09
mintuxCorsac: wpa2 not different ?14:10
dotblankim using mine with wpa 214:10
pupnikis two locks on the icon wpa?14:11
dotblankI think so14:11
mintuxCorsac: my config is
dotblankmintux, that should work14:11
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dotblankunless you have mac filtering14:12
pupnikare there some exotic forms of wpa we don't support?14:12
stskeepsiemintux: what does it say on device?14:12
dotblankit might be hidden ssid?14:12
mintuxdotblank: I clicked on wirless the question it asked is : push a button on wireless station to initiate easy setup process and tap Done . I have two button PIN method and Done14:12
mintuxstskeepsie:  ^^14:13
stskeepsiemintux: ok, go add the network manually in settings->internet connections14:13
dotblankdon't use the easy pin button thingy14:13
dotblankdon't bother14:13
stskeepsiethe people who made the UI for 'easy' PIN, should be shot14:13
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CorsacI know that I had problems with some access points where the WEP was detected as Wifi protected setup compliant while it wasn't14:13
Corsacstskeepsie: agreed, it sucks badly, and it doesn't work at all14:14
stskeepsieas it doesn't allow you to use a simple passphrase in basic ui14:14
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mintuxI think I found something in internet connections14:15
stskeepsiemintux: i have same issue on my home network, so14:15
Sampppawall[e] you mean calendar-ui package?14:17
mintuxstskeepsie: where did your n900 make ?14:19
stskeepsiewhat? :P14:19
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edheldilbtw, there's error with n900, that sometimes it's unable to connect to wifi. Reboot helps14:19
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mintuxwhat country made your phone ?14:19
Sceltall assembled in korea14:20
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Sceltdesigned in Finland14:20
pupniki want to solder n810 speakers into n90014:21
pupnikbet that wouldn't work, eh14:21
*** swo has joined #maemo14:23 - another maemo tablet? =)))14:24
mintuxwhat is my root password?14:24
mintuxin terminal14:26
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fraggelnmintux: there is none :)14:27
mintuxbut when I type sudo and enter it said your password is wrong14:27
fraggelnmintux: sudo gainroot14:28
ZogGmintux sudo is for password for user14:28
mintuxI open the browser but speed is too low . my wireless connected but it doesn't open yahoo yet . but on my notebook yahoo open fast why ?14:28
ZogGif user in sudo group by using sudo you have to enter user password14:28
ZogGmintux why14:29
mintuxwhy speed of connection on my phone is too low14:29
pupnikno, that's javascript14:30
pupnikturn javascript off on both computer and n90014:30
pupnikthen compare with a straight download14:30
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pupnikor flash14:30
pupnikturn that off too14:31
mintuxok I download a file now14:31
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mintuxwhere is broswer setting to turn off javascript?14:31
mintuxeach address I entered a rectangle go to end and back but page doesn't open. I can open just google ( with no logo google) . how can I check my speed connection ?14:34
mintuxit's too low14:34
ZogGso valve is going to make games for linux? =)))14:34
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pupnikconfigure: error: C compiler cannot create executables  .....14:37
fraggelnpupnik: check the log-file, im guessing you lack a package or 2.14:37
pupniknah i flaboozled around with cflags14:38
pupnikgot it nm14:39
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mintuxwhen I put su it said must be suid to work properly14:39
infobotfrom memory, becomeroot is
summeloO wtf14:40
summeli tried to copy a .deb file via bletooth on my n900 and got an internal error14:40
summeland now a .png file is missing from my memory card!14:40
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summel;_: i hate internal error14:42
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summelit works fine when saving it to the built in memory rather then to the memory card... wtf? -_-14:43
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pupnikreseat card, try different card14:43
summelthe card is fine14:43
summelif not then the n900 broke it -_-14:44
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pupniksummel: are you using proper nokia kernel and image?14:45
summelno devel stuff enabled14:45
summelno testing stuff enabled14:45
mintuxI have problem with my connection . the speed of data is too slow . I think the internet is problem. but I have localhost here on my pc . when I open my ip of pc on n900 is take a long time to open it . what do you think? there is no javascript in index page of apache14:46
summeland i know 2 other users personaly who also have problems with theyr card and i read from a lot more14:46
pupnikmintux: i have sometimes had very slow connections to n900.  you can test different powersave settings14:46
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mintuxpupnik: what do you mean by different powersave settings14:47
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TomaszDmintux, go to settings -> internet connections -> connections14:47
TomaszDedit your access point14:48
TomaszDpress next/forward until you get to the screen with advanced settings14:48
TomaszDhit advanced14:48
TomaszDtap the last tab, "Other"14:48
TomaszDdisable power saving14:49
mintux TomaszD: edit my wireless setting?14:49
mintuxwhat is cellular data?14:49
TomaszDmintux, are you connected via your WLAN access point or just 3G?14:49
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TomaszDok mintux, so where are you in the menus on the n900 now14:50
TomaszDdid you find the settings?14:50
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TomaszDgo to the menu, tap Settings, then Internet connection in settings (the globe icon), then tap the Connections button, then select your access point from the list of available ones and tap Edit, then hit next, next, next until you see the Advanced button, tap Advanced, then you'll see three tabs, tap the last on (Other), and disable power saving there from the list14:53
TomaszD*last one14:53
pupnikgood help TomaszD14:53
TomaszDI had issues with power saving too, but I resolved them by rebooting my access point and the phone14:54
TomaszDnow it works fine with maximum power saving14:54
pupnikdepends on router here14:54
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TomaszDhopefully he restarted the connection lol14:55
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alteregoSo, unabill_yuk has been unbanned? Admittedly the past few days have been dull without him ^.^14:56
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Corsacis there a web interface to svn?15:05
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alteregoCorsac: that looks like a web interface to me :P15:06
*** Terje_ has joined #maemo15:07 redirects to /git/, and when you hit /svn/ you only have the pure svn interface, not any frontend15:08
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X-FadeCorsac: Go to the garage project page?15:10
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CorsacX-Fade: I don't think there's any svn frontend there15:11
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Corsac for example15:11
X-FadeCorsac: browse the ... :D15:12
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hurbuwhere i can find the optimized gcc's flag for n900 arm7?15:18
hurbui'm reading this
hurbubut i cant see arm v715:18
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hurbucool, thx!15:20
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mintuxI connected with n900 to this chann15:50
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mintuxWith pidgin but yahoo doesn't connected15:51
mintuxIs it possible to full screen pidgin here?15:51
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pigeondoes anyone know where i could find the original desktop backgrounds images?15:57
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pigeonthose ones that comes with the phone, like abstract, blur, digital nature, etc16:00
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mrglinuxmintux: test16:02
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mrglinuxmintux: test16:03
mintuxMintux worked16:03
mintuxMrglinux worked16:04
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javispedroevil driver isn't it16:19
javispedroat least I'm pretty sure I'd get the triangles to render without using the usb cable trick16:19
javispedronow that I have 2*700KiB more free dma memory16:19
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mrglinuxwhat software do you suggest for gps (without need internet connection ) ?16:22
smokuGPS does not need internet connection16:23
mrglinuxfor maps?\16:23
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smokuoh, maps... you should have said so... ;P16:24
mrglinuxI would like download maps and use it in gps16:24
smokuyou can do it with ovi maps16:25
smokuget maps downloader app16:25
ShadowJKwell not *with* ovi maps16:25
ShadowJKyou either need to buy a PC and Windows to run the map downloader on the PC16:26
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ShadowJKor I think there is a way to do it with n900 too but I never read those threads on t.m.o16:26
mrglinuxso everyone use gps has INTERNET connection on their phone ?16:26
mrglinuxI need just roads not details16:27
ShadowJKYou don't need internet connection to use the gps, though internet connectivity makes the gps lock on to first fix faster16:27
stskeepsiejavispedro: i still have some ideas how we can deal with the driver.16:27
mrglinuxso what software do you suggest ?16:27
ShadowJKIf you bought your phone from Nokia Shop in your country, N900 would come preloaded with maps for your country in Ovi Maps16:28
javispedrostskeepsie: btw, doesn't mmap /dev/omaplcd16:28
mrglinux ShadowJK: another question I compiled a simple c++ program in my pc. can I run it on n900?  it's
stskeepsieno, i think it just mmaps with the mbx framework16:28
edheldilShadowJK:  actually, at least with the firmware I have, it does not lock w/o AGPS at all :(16:29
stskeepsieie, grabs framebuffer, etc16:29
javispedromy next battery of tests will be running the test under strace and try to research any repeating pattern per frame16:29
javispedro(n8x0 is charging atm)16:29
stskeepsiejavispedro: gdb a program with the debug symbol libs and break on Flip.16:29
mrglinuxI moved on my phone but when I run ./a.out it said you don't have premession16:29
stskeepsieand omaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflipUM16:29
ShadowJKedheldil, well it's almost impossible to get unassisted lock with Ovi Maps, indeed16:29
ShadowJKmrglinux, if you crosscompiled it for linux arm, sure..16:30
stskeepsiejavispedro: i'm willing to bet we'll see calls to that.16:30
RST38hhelo javispedro, ShadowJK16:30
javispedromorning RST38h16:30
RST38hShadowJK: It is quite possible, by running GPS Diagnostic Program in background16:30
stskeepsiejavispedro: .. though, now i'm wondering if omaplcd is in mbxaccess binary, or loaded into a client?16:30
RST38hShadowJK: In fact, I would recommend that16:31
mrglinuxShadowJK: I don't know what is that exactly . I write my source and compile with (g++ 2.cpp)16:31
javispedrostskeepsie: from what I gathered, gets loaded because mbxaccess.ko tells it to do so16:31
ShadowJKRST38h, sure, I know that, and that's why I qualified it with "with Ovi Maps"16:31
javispedroand mbxaccess.ko gets the soname from omalcd.ko16:31
javispedro(this is what I tried to explain in my older tmo post... ah, my beloved
ShadowJKif search wasn't useless I'd try find the entry on how to preload Ovi Maps with maps :(16:32
stskeepsieyes, but i meant like, if it's linked into a client app or into mbxdaemon :)16:32
javispedrowell, not sure about client apps16:32
javispedrobut sure about mbxdaemon :)16:32
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* ShadowJK bought sygic maps anyway..16:33
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MiXu-I bought the one from ovi store. Those cunning bastards left rotation feature out from the ovi store version.16:34
stskeepsieMiXu-: just upgrade it16:35
ShadowJKi don't think it's in mine either16:35
stskeepsiejavispedro: you know, we could probably get this crap running if we could hook Flip() in libomaplcd.ko16:35
MiXu-stskeepsie: and pay more :P16:35
alteregoWow telepathy is insane16:35
stskeepsieMiXu-: i just added a repository and upgraded16:35
alteregoOR is it just because I'm using the dbus interface?16:35
* javispedro is tempted of killing omaplcd and starting his own16:36
MiXu-stskeepsie: Hmm. Which repo?16:36
javispedroif only..16:36
stskeepsieMiXu-: there's a or something16:36
stskeepsiejavispedro: i'm tempted to mail girish and ask if i can get access to source under NDA.16:36
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javispedrostskeepsie: i was googling certain keywords and seemingly there have been third-party display class drivers other than omaplcd16:37
javispedrofor the mbx16:37
javispedroso there has to be official docs written.16:37
stskeepsieactually, we see most of the structure in the kernel driver already16:37
RST38hjavis: no luck there16:37
javispedrounder NDA probably16:37
stskeepsieomaplcd_ddc_process_vsyncflip is the entry point for frames from the MBX driver16:38
RST38heven under nda...16:38
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RST38hunless it is using imGETECH DLLS16:38
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javispedrostskeepsie: yes, I wonder how its doing kernel -> userspace callback16:38
javispedrowell at this point I don't know where the dc jump table is16:39
javispedrothe _real_ one.16:39
stskeepsiein libomaplcd.so16:39
smokumrglinux: you may also download maps for ovi maps from with a browser16:39
javispedrostskeepsie: no, it has to import it from somewhere in order to fill it16:39
javispedroand whoever has the real memory for it allocated is the one that will be calling it.16:39
stskeepsiejavispedro: hm, well, libomaplcd.ko pulls down the huge DEVINFO thing16:39
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RST38hOMG, I no longer even see posts from people who joined tmo before Oct200916:41
stskeepsiejavispedro: i wonder if we can inspect how psDevInfo->asVsyncFlips looks over tim16:41
stskeepsiejavispedro: any way to have vsyncflip being called regularly?16:41
javispedroin the user mode library, no idea so far; in kernel I could just do it with a custom ioctl16:42
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stskeepsiedo you only get the first frame or multiple frames?16:44
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javispedrothe other day found something interesting which confirms it's doing weird things with the xorg fb16:44
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javispedroI got the rendered surface over the task navigator menu,16:45
javispedrothen a brief flick of half the egl window plus the previously overwritten part of the menu16:45
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javispedroit made me think that the buffer got swapped in between the gtk drawing -- might have been a placebo so don't really believe it :)16:46
stskeepsiejavispedro: i'm wondering if we can disassemble it with the debug symbols and just recompile it..16:47
mrglinuxbounce is not in application manager?16:47
stskeepsiejavispedro: i mean - -technically- we just need Flip() to call a ioctl16:48
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javispedrothat would cause exactly the same behaviour as when I manually add the omapfb push after egl* calls16:49
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javispedrowhich was ... not pretty, as shown in the video (the random slowdowns, general slowness, leaks...)16:49
stskeepsiewell, yes16:49
bergieinteresting, according to TechCrunch a typical iPhone app sells 101K copies. Pretty similar numbers as popular Maemo Downloads apps16:49
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* javispedro is at least happy to know that I can noop the dma allocations... will help people currently with issues to load it16:49
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stskeepsiei wonder what happens if we 'just' get VsyncFlip() to be called often16:51
stskeepsieand hence our kernel Flip()16:51
* stskeepsie goes look at blizzard16:51
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tybolltstskeepsie: :-o ?16:55
tybolltis it out now?16:55
stskeepsiewhat is?16:55
* javispedro needs a new workstation16:56
javispedrothis one is starting to feel too old16:56
stskeepsiejavispedro: on the other hand, the fact they don't switch to kernel with every single frame flip is good..16:56
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tybollt* stskeepsie goes look at blizzard16:57
javispedroah, no16:57
stskeepsietybollt: LCD controller chip in n8x016:57
tybollt^^^^ SC2 ffs :D16:57
tybolltstskeepsie: meh^2 :)16:57
javispedrobah, it's deadly slow just because I'm compiling some C++ in the background16:58
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tybolltjavispedro: seriously  - it out?17:01
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javispedroi'm more of an AoE guy.17:02
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tybollt15:56 < javispedro> PR1.217:02
tybolltffs! :)17:02
stskeepsiejavispedro: in the case we actually were able to get libomaplcd source, what would we do with it?17:02
tybolltjavispedro: jeebus man, you gunna kill me :)17:02
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javispedrostskeepsie: other than fake deception feelings when we get to find its another stub/noop, I guess see if it's leaking like you assumed the kernel one was.17:03
tybollt*bloopressure at a rate someone pat my back I'm going to pop*17:03
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javispedrostskeepsie: because of no isr being called17:03
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stskeepsiei wonder if anyone has a OMAP2 device we could test things on, ie, how it's 'supposed' to work17:03
javispedrobest I could get, and it doesn't help much.17:04
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javispedronote also that the behaviour of the etire setup has changed after the "big split"17:06
javispedroso maybe instead of an nda you could request girish to test if they work on any other sane omap2 platform at all =)17:06
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tybolltAoE btw... innit the microsoft game? :-|17:07
javispedro(last time I asked myself this question -- for the usb host situation, I found out that no, it didn't work in any sane omap3 platform..)17:07
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timeless_mbpAge of Empires was an ms game17:08
* timeless_mbp liked it too17:08
tybolltmy brother played it a lot17:09
tybolltnot my cup of tea17:09
* GAN900 is really tired of waiting for XChat to reconnect when migrating connections.17:09
* tybollt hands GAN a redbull17:09
GAN900I lost all of my RTS skills over the years17:09
GAN900SC2 is currently totally kicking my ass.17:09
tybolltGAN900: True - as did I17:10
* javispedro never had any to begin with, so.17:10
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GAN900It's such a ridiculously fast game17:10
GAN900Faster than nearly any FPS17:11
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tybolltGAN900: still zergling rush that FTW17:11
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stskeepsiejavispedro: OK, so, we agree that what we need to do is 1) hack Flip in userspace -and- to send a window update for the particular area and 2) tie VsyncFlip to the completion of window updates?17:11
GAN900Depends on how stupid people are17:11
tybolltI'm plenty stupid - you'll be impressed ;)17:11
stskeepsiehack flip in userspace -and- kernel space :P17:11
javispedrowait, did not do the gdb test yet17:11
GAN900Workers can beat it off a lot of the time.17:11
tybolltah olrite17:12
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tybolltI'd usually counter one attack w/ workers - not the next17:12
tybolltI always prefered the protss ;)17:12
tybollt"eCoach currently supports FRWD B600 and Zephyr HxM heart rate monitors."17:13
SpeedEviljacekowski: What's this for?17:13
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GAN900How much are the eCoach heartbeat monitors these days?17:19
Sampppai think it is still close to 100euros17:20
* GAN900 is going to get back into running this Summer.17:20
GAN900Too much, then.17:20
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SampppaZephyr one17:20
Sampppayeah someone should start selling cheap HRM's :)17:20
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ShadowJKhuh, how do I copy text from modest17:20
DocScrutinizerhonestly, 100bucks sounds way too much17:21
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: xerox?17:21
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javispedrostskeepsie: ok, back to doing tests. for some reason, I cannot run the sample without having the usb cable at boot trick even with the noop memory allocations17:23
javispedroit just bus errors17:23
javispedroand kills mbxdaemon17:23
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luke-jrjavispedro: can you send me the blobs?17:23
javispedrothey're public now iirc17:24
Disconnectweird issue - my n900 stopped seeing my local wifi. sees the neighbors (including another wpa2) but not mine. not sure if its related to the power-user kernel or the pc connectivity (which screwed up half of everything, so it wouldn't be a surprise) .. any suggestions?17:24
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tybollt /disconnect17:24
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luke-jrjavispedro: I don't want to email TI17:25
stskeepsietoo bad17:26
tybolltconsidering (if you're old and w/ a heart condition) HRM (watch based ones) are free as medical shitz in .se, well...17:26
luke-jralso, Portage isn't capable of automating that process17:26
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mintuxmy n900 hanged in sms page . desktop hanged and they key just vibrate the phone. I have access with ssh to phone17:28
mintuxhow can I kill that?17:28
javispedroluke-jr: you mostly have to pray to the goods to make them do anything either way. Seems only my n810 and fanoush's have them working in any half reasonsable state.17:29
luke-jrwhat's the filename, at least?17:29
mintuxif i be in ubuntu do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart17:29
luke-jrjavispedro: I haven't the slightest interest in making them do anything, anyway...17:30
luke-jrjust playing around for completeness17:30
mintuxit's my proccess
mintuxhelp please . what should I do now?17:30
tybolltmintux: reboot?17:30
mintuxcan I restart desktop?17:31
tybolltkillall hildon-application-manager17:31
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mintuxkillall: hildon-application-manager: no process killed17:32
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tybolltkillall hildon-desktop17:33
GAN900Zephyr HxM is $9917:34
GAN900Not so bad17:34
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mintuxwheh I rotate my phone display doesn't rotate17:35
tybolltGAN900: where? Mucho interested17:35
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tybolltmintux: it happens, try to reboot your phone17:35
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GAN900tybollt, haven't gotten around to looking anywhere else yet.17:36
tybolltGAN900: all I need to know is whether they'll deliver to .se :)17:36
GAN900tybollt, doubtful17:36
tybolltmintux: Ehr wait - just what the hell are you expecting the device to do there?17:37
tybolltyou're not talking phone GUI on rotate are you?17:37
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javispedrostupid failures on initialization17:37
mintuxtybollt: when rotate it . the display changed to horizontal or vertical17:38
kpomanhi all !17:38
kpomanjavispedro: I managed to partition and have debian on an ext3 partition of my minisd :) seems to work fine17:38
tybolltkpoman: you're booting into debian? :-o17:39
tybolltos isat easydebian?17:39
javispedrostskeepsie: I still have to ponder where the pvr2d fits into all of this. it is one of the functions that appears most when randomly breaking using gdb17:39
kpomantybollt: easydebian chroot, but now on a real partition instead of image file17:39
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kpomantybollt: I was running out of space so I did that17:40
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kpomanresize2fs bugged and didnt want to really shrink the fake fs17:40
mintuxmy phone has problem? I reboot it . but when i am in items or every where when I rotate the display doesn't rotate to vertically or horizontally17:40
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mgedminwheee, I made hildon-desktop crash17:41
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infobotwell, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.17:41
mgedminby quickly double-tapping the X icon of an incoming message in the task switcher17:41
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kamui_anyone using pr 1.2 and able to use the Conversations widget?17:42
tybolltTriztFromWork: please, think of my bloodpressure17:42
TriztFromWorkhas anyone made a wdiget lock application?17:42
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TriztFromWorkI just tried to save some time, instead of asking and then get someone else to do the ~pr1.2 before kicking me, so I did it myself17:43
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mintuxmy root total is 227 meg and used 165 meg and only 58mb free. is it enough ?17:46
mintuxfor installing softwares17:46
valdynmintux: yes17:47
javispedrostrace reveals no movement other than X11 per frame17:47
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javispedroand quite a lot of times() syscall which I have my suspicions about..17:48
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TriztFromWork58mb free? damn, I haven't had anything near that for ages17:50
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DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/i2c# df -h /17:54
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on17:54
DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    198.1M     25.6M  89% /17:54
DocScrutinizerand quite happy with that17:54
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BCMMtalking of free space, is it possible to move /opt/ to an EXT3 formatted microSD?17:55
DocScrutinizerbasically yes17:55
tybolltlong as you don't fuck w/ the fat partition17:55
BCMM(i don't need to yet, but it might be useful at some point)17:55
DocScrutinizerbut would seriously feckup your phone when removing uSD17:55
tybolltsince that'll screw your usb mass storage17:56
BCMMyeah, i'm presuming that the SD doesn't move17:56
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: also you need to mount ext3 uSD "manually"17:56
BCMMis the FAT at the start or end of the device?17:56
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DocScrutinizererrr wut?17:56
BCMMoh, it isn't on the same device as opt?17:57
DocScrutinizerthe FAT itself?17:57
BCMMthe FAT partition17:57
BCMMi meant17:57
DocScrutinizerwhich one17:57
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DocScrutinizer/home ?17:57
BCMMi think i need to look at mount output for a bit17:57
DocScrutinizersounds like a plan17:58
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BCMMam i right in thinking that MyDocs is a vfat partition on the same "disk" as /home/?17:58
* DocScrutinizer wonders why anybody would want to move /opt from eMMC to uSD :-o17:59
kpomanguys, is it safe to do apt-get autoremove ?17:59
BCMMone might run out of space :)17:59
DocScrutinizerthen resize the /home partition17:59
DocScrutinizerBCMM: and yes you're right17:59
javispedrostskeepsie: interesting in the output of any gdb command? I've breaked on the client, which seemingly does not dlopened libomaplcd.so18:00
javispedroit links with egl, srv_um, pvrX11WSEGL and pvr2d.so18:00
BCMMsince it is at the start of the device, the size of MyDocs is presumably flexible18:00
DocScrutinizerBCMM: ask SpeedEvil - he created a second ext-fs on a partition he took from the MyDocs FAT18:00
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: anyway making a backup prior to changing partitioning is highly recommended, no other concerns with repartitioning other than that18:01
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DocScrutinizerooops BCMM ^^^, sorry for highlight SpeedEvil18:02
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: if you backup your MyDocs, cretate a tar archive of /home, then copy /home/opt and /home/user to uSD ext3 and umount && mount bind the /home and /opt, then you should be free to umount the whole eMMC and change partitions and makefs.???, then do the inverse copying/untarring to restore the content to the new partitions18:06
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DocScrutinizerin case anything fails you got the tar archive of /home and the MyDocs backup18:08
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ZuccaI wonder could it be possible to use avfs to help file manager to browse trough copressed archives. I've done some kind of a hack on my laptop. I'm using pcmanfm and it can access archives via avfs.18:12
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DocScrutinizerBCMM: check ruskie's HowTo for partitioning18:17
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SpeedEvilBCMM: I just tarred up mydocs onto /home - deleted mydocs -  recreated at size of 4G - and created a new partition in hte empty space18:26
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Shorukenlooks like the internet died18:34
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lcukShoruken, only a bit of it18:34
Shorukenyeah just you and me here18:34
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Trewasanybody know if/how direction of north can be locked in ovi maps? the map direction changing randomly makes it pretty much unusable while walking around18:41
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timeless_mbpTrewas: i believe it's a feature18:45
timeless_mbpthey want to make you dizzy :)18:45
andre__Trewas: I think you can click the "North" icon and then it locks. let me try18:45
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Trewasmaybe it's useful feature for a navigator in car, but when using it as a map when walking the north must always be up or it gets way too confusing18:47
Trewasand IME it does not lock when changing the direction with north-icon18:47
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povbotBug 8126: OVI Maps spins when not Moving18:47
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timeless_mbpTrewas: as i said, they want to make you dizzy18:49
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Trewasandre__: thanks for the hint18:49
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: heh, there's actually an idea to "have a bot monitor IRC to calculate contributions/post for karma" - damn, and I thought you're kidding X-P18:55
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: that idea has been around for quite some time18:55
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* SpeedEvil hopes that comes to fruition.18:55
* SpeedEvil could do with owning 32% of nokia.18:55
KhertanHi !18:56
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: obvious problem: how to avoid spamers get the highest karma scores ;-D18:56
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: there's quite a few people who "work behind the scenes", not being overly active on the mailing lists or TMO, but still bounce a lot of ideas on IRC18:56
crashanddiehey Khertan, how's it going?18:56
Shorukenyou sound like a redditor18:56
KhertanDocScrutinizer : use spamassassin18:56
javispedrowell, you send them a free device with a specially crafted version of jrbme --- booooom!18:56
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crashanddieShoruken: who?18:56
Khertancrashanddie: i m fine ... except that i didnt understand most of my pyqt problem18:57
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: yep, I know a few of those ;-)18:57
Shorukencrashanddie: DocScrutinizer does18:57
* SpeedEvil sighs. 18:57
DocScrutinizer~scramble redditor18:57
crashanddieShoruken: yeah, he used to be a cunt in a previous life too18:57
Khertancrashanddie : and you ?18:57
SpeedEvilMy battery has become unreliable. It occasionally resets when jarred.18:57
SpeedEvilI suspect tin/lead contamination of the contacts.18:58
javispedroaim for cover!18:58
crashanddieKhertan: not too bad. Link to code?18:58
Khertankinetic scrolling not working18:58
crashanddieKhertan: still looking for a job, started review of some PHP project. They were priding themselves of only having 6 unresolved bugs in their bugtracker, now they have just under a hundred18:58
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: talking gibberish?18:59
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: ?18:59
DocScrutinizerbattery resets???18:59
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes.18:59
crashanddieKhertan: I was hoping for a more specific link ;)18:59
Khertanoh ...2s18:59
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Some solder may have somehow gotten onto the battery pins. Which is upsetting the battery.18:59
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Trewasthat nokia maps .js file is vvery nicely formatted at least when trying to modify it using n900, four lines and over 900k characters :)19:00
Shapeshifteris there a simple cli xml parser available for maemo 5?19:00
* DocScrutinizer wonders what might characterize an upset battery19:00
ZogGlightpark can be nice alternative for flash for maemo19:00
crashanddieTrewas: ever heard of js optimisation?19:00
Khertan is it beter ?19:00
Khertanthe QTextEdit isn t fingerscrollable :(19:01
Trewascrashanddie: I guess they don't expect it used to be as a configuration file...19:01
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: also how the hell did you manage to get slder on battery contacts? :-o19:01
crashanddieKhertan: did you see this:
Khertanalso i didnt understand too why when clicking on toolbar button action isn t triggered on :
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Khertanuh no didn t see it before thx for the link19:03
Khertanouch just see comment !19:03
DocScrutinizer~dict redditor19:03
Khertanthis is a wontfix19:03
infobotcould not find definition for redditor19:03
Khertanit s sucks !19:03
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Khertanit s like for extensions hidden in dialog !19:04
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I was attempting to measure Rs - but found that my PSU wasn't up to it.19:04
Khertanif it s really a won't fix it ll be time to stop learning qt ...19:05
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: please elaborate on the symptoms you got now. I have no idea what "upset battery" means19:05
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javispedroanyone thinks ltrace might run on a n8x0? what kernel requeriments does it have?19:05
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Khertanok ... bug report stats as invalid ...19:06
javispedrooh, it's even in extras.19:06
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: When the phone is tapped - it will sometimes shut down. Or if in charge mode, the charger reports 'no battery'19:06
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crashanddieKhertan: can you check if the object has that property available?19:06
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Khertancrashanddie : why does they take so stupid decision ?19:06
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crashanddiebecause they're finish'd19:06
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: contact problems, not related to batery directly, more to the way the device "sees" the battery19:07
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It's the contacts.19:07
crashanddieKhertan: use QTextEdit.dynamicPropertyNames() to get a list of properties19:07
crashanddieKhertan: make sure that property exists19:07
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: The contact resistance is also uncertain at times. - up to a sizable fraction of an ohm.19:07
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: *carefully* remove all the solder to expose the hardened gold plating19:07
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes - I know.19:08
Khertancrashanddie : i m looking  thx19:08
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I was tired of screwing around and trying to improvise a clamp connection.19:08
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: remember tin/Pb is a very "weak" metal (wrt to acid etc) and gold quite innert19:08
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Indeed - but I'm not putting acid near it, for obvious reasons.19:09
DocScrutinizerhmm, yeah19:09
DocScrutinizerso I'd try with 4000 sandpaper19:09
crashanddieKhertan: why are you not passing the parent to QTextEdit? QtGui.QTextEdit.__init__(self, parent)19:10
Khertancrashanddie : [PyQt4.QtCore.QByteArray('kineticScroller')]19:10
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: but first use desolering wick19:11
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DocScrutinizerthen "pollish" away the remaining Sn/Pb until the shiny gold shows19:12
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SpeedEvilSounds plausible.19:12
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DocScrutinizerI'd hope for Pb and Sn being less hard than hardened gold plating, but wouldn't rely on it19:13
DocScrutinizerso be *very* carefull not to end with bare blank steel contacts19:13
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Khertancrashanddie:don t know why :)19:13
crashanddieKhertan: and why in keyPressEvent() are you calling QtGui.QTextEdit.keyPressEvent(self, e) rather than self.keyPressEvent(self, e) ?19:14
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: btw thanks for the warning. I'd fall into same pitfall19:15
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SpeedEvilgold plating partially dissolved by solder19:15
Khertanhum because self.keyPressEvent is already trap in this method ...19:16
Khertanbut hum maybe not a good idea after all19:16
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crashanddieKhertan: hmm, true19:17
Khertanthis app look more as a prototype currently19:17
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Khertanas you can see there is a start of plugin implementation system19:17
Khertanmany commented tries :)19:18
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Khertani m just beginning learning qt19:18
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: dammit19:18
lcukKhertan, can you do kinetics and editing on the same textbox?19:18
lcukwhenever i tried the actions would get muddy19:18
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: re-galvanize ?19:18
Khertanlcuk : on qt4.5 yes ... on 4.6 no : seems they call that a feature ... :(19:18
lcukso it would try and select when i wanted to pan and pan when i wanted to select (ages ago in liqbase) so i dropped it19:18
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Khertanlcuk : i like the way it s done in xterm19:19
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I was planning on trying removing as much as I could easily, then add a little grease to help prevent fretting.19:19
Khertanor like in pygtkeditor ... just use shift arrow19:19
Khertanbut here seems there is now way19:19
lcukKhertan, switching modes sure19:20
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: or... hmmm... apply good liquid flux, dry, rub on several layers flat gold, heat19:20
Khertanyep but it s seems that switching is not possible for editable text19:20
lcukKhertan, switch between showing data in QTextBrowser and QTextArea19:21
lcukbrowser is kinetic19:21
lcukarea isnt19:21
lcukone is editable, the other not19:21
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: probably scratch the flux part19:21
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: just clean it like mad19:21
lcukof course a flag to allow that just on the fly would be just as effective19:22
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Khertanlcuk : but i like scrolling while editing19:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: then apply those thin flat gold paper thingies - dunno the correct name19:22
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DocScrutinizerheat to maybe 500°C19:22
Khertanwhy does they doesn t just dev choice what they want to do19:22
DocScrutinizerto fritt it to the Sn/Pb19:22
Khertanthis sucks19:22
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: gilding19:23
lcukrephrase Khertan19:23
Khertanthis is like hidding extension of file in dialog19:23
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: aah thanks19:23
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Khertanfor some purpose it usefull19:23
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I'll try more normal measures first19:23
crashanddieKhertan: he wants to be able to scroll on the fly, not have to switch modes manually19:23
crashanddieerr, lcuk ^19:23
lcukhow do you select if you are also scrolling?19:23
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I also thought about a good Pb free silver solder19:24
Khertani mean : they should let dev choice if they want scrollable or selecting in editable qtextedit19:24
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I'm unsure what ones don't form gold intermetallics.19:24
lcukKhertan, override the methodthen19:24
lcukits not rocket science19:24
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andemoniis there a way to get higher bpp than the default 16 in an app running on the n900?19:24
Khertanrewrite paintevent ?19:24
lcukbut i mean other people19:24
lcukkinetics arent in paint19:25
lcukthey are mouse events19:25
mintuxpidgin doesn't connect to yahoo why ?19:25
lcukwith a timer or something19:25
* lcuk waves hands19:25
Khertanif i use a framework it s not for rewritting everythings myself19:25
javispedroandemoni: it's not easy, and we do not know if the actual display is capable of more than 16bpp19:25
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lcukKhertan, no but you want some behaviour that doesnt happen now19:25
lcukso the way to achieve that in an open framework is to make it do it19:25
* Khertan will probably avoid qt for future dev19:25
andemonicurrently gradients look completely rubbish on the n900 by default, so any suggestions (even if it's a hacky one) are appreciated19:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: honestly that's a real bummer. I'd bite my own arse19:25
lcuksubclass the textbox make some new slots and bob is metaphorically your relative19:26
andemoniif it's physically not possible due to the display's limitations then that's it, i suppose :)19:26
Khertanlcuk : it was doing it in qt 4.519:26
Khertanbut just to follow stupid ui guideline they remove it19:26
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andemoni(just to clarify: i'm not using the compositor as the app's running fullscreen)19:27
Khertanso it let me think they will take other stupid decision in the future19:27
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lcukso make a nice writeup about how nice it was in 4.5 and that you would like to find a way to retain that behaviour - even if none default behind a flag somewhere19:27
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lcukor bitch at them for making decisions19:28
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lcukwhichever you think will make it work for you19:28
javispedroandemoni: panel is ACX565AKM; with unknown specs19:28
andemonilcuk: disable the kinetic scroll component yourself then?19:28
mintuxwhat messenger should I use for yahoo19:28
lcukandemoni, its the other way round19:28
lcukon the textview for qt 4.6 it does not kinetic pan by default19:29
crashanddiemintux: depends, do you need overnight or is two-three business day acceptable?19:29
lcukbecause the user selection comes first i guess19:29
mintuxcrashanddie: second is better19:29
andemoniindeed it does not, but there's that example on the maemo5 platform notes page that enables it, as was referenced before19:29
crashanddiemintux: just go with your local post express package then19:29
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mintuxcan I find in app manger?19:29
lcukandemoni, would you care to show Khertan where this said example is please.19:30
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lcukso he can continue developing happily without getting anxious.19:30
Khertanlcuk : in qt4.5 it was disable by default .. but can be activated by an attribute19:30
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Khertanon qt 4.6 it disabled .... attribute do nothing and doesn t seems to be a bug but a feature :
andemoniif that's what you wanted19:31
mintuxI know pidgin must be update . but question can I install pidgin on pidgin website on my n900"19:31
crashanddiemintux: install Pidgin protocols for Conversations and Contacts from the app manager19:31
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Khertanandemoni : documentation seems outdated19:32
andemonion what part?19:32
fralsto promote fmms to extras or not to promote before pr1.2 is the question19:33
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Khertan". This allows the user to use finger scrolling to scroll the entire QScrollArea, independend on whether he scrolls on the text edit or some other control."19:34
Khertanandemoni : but maybe i m not doing thing the right way ... i m not a qt expert19:36
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Khertan source here19:36
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DocScrutinizer51frals: pr1.2?? :-o19:37
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DocScrutinizer51frals: why link a nice app like fmms to a vaporware like 1.2? That's not fair :-P19:39
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fralsDocScrutinizer: hehe, well, pr1.2 brings the mms settings to the phone, otherwise the user has to config it himself... and experience has taught me that users can not be trusted to do that :(19:44
* javispedro envisions the tmo chaos that would ensue19:44
DocScrutinizer51never trust the user19:44
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mikki-kunanybody an idea why certain emails lack utf8?19:45
Shorukenthis is 2nd time this has happened today, my phone just plays whatever song is on media player instead of ringing19:45
mikki-kuni can see my mails just fine when i login to gmail but as soon as they are downloaded i can't see any äöü anymore19:45
DocScrutinizer51what about just popping up a modal requester for the settings in postinstall?19:45
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DocScrutinizer51frals: ^19:46
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DocScrutinizer51kinda like ssh asks for root password19:46
X-FadeThat should not be done on install.19:47
X-FadeThat is a first run question.19:47
X-FadeAnyway, postinstall modals are evil.19:47
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: when is fist-run of a daemon?19:47
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: For sshd it is ok, but fmms is a gui app.19:47
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X-FadeAlthough when you flash your device a lot, like me. All modals during re-install are *evil*19:48
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, can't see why it isn't siutable for fmms19:48
mikki-kunX-Fade: it's never ok to make a rootlogin via SSH available imo19:48
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: The first time you run it, it will pop up anyway ;)19:48
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GAN900X-Fade, quit installing leaked firmwares. :P19:49
X-FadeGAN900: Heh, they aren't leaked ;)19:50
GAN900Yeah, so YOU claim.19:50
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dmj726Has anyone gotten the sdk working in lucid?19:52
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andre__dmj726, what exactly does not work for you?19:55
dmj726It seems to be failing at installing scratchbox.19:55
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dmj726there's the relevant part of the log file.19:58
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trumeeanybody using pptp?20:00
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trumeeit works fine with wifi but doesnt work with 3g.20:00
GAN900andre__, how's 3.4 coming along?20:00
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trumeeguess it might be this bug,
trumeeany experts on routing?20:01
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trumeei cant seem to work out how route works :(20:02
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ManoftheSeawhat about route?20:04
ManoftheSeaLike, route add default gateway [gw-addr] iface [interface]20:04
dmj726_n900opps...just killed x20:04
trumeeManoftheSea: yup, i dont know what routes to add.20:05
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trumeeManoftheSea: i thought i added the correct route but then my ping stopped working20:06
ManoftheSeathen you probably didn't add the correct route.20:06
ManoftheSeaOR the gateway doesn't pass ping20:06
ManoftheSeaIs your gateway forwarding traffic?20:07
DocScrutinizer51hah, gpsjinni update fixed insane 'speed' display20:07
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trumeeManoftheSea: with wifi pptp works fine, but with 3g it doesnt20:07
ManoftheSeacool is for DocScrutinizer5120:07
lcukDocScrutinizer51 ?20:07
lcuktoo fast?20:07
ManoftheSeatrumee: I don't know if I can help about the tunnel.20:07
trumeeManoftheSea: i dont have to touch route with wifi pptp but need to mess iwith it with 3g20:08
ManoftheSeawell, it may be related to the bug you posted.20:08
trumeeManoftheSea: yes, i think it is indeed.20:08
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trumeei did use the listed in the bug report but that didnt help20:09
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trumeenot sure if that add_default_route should be used before or after setting up vpn!20:10
ManoftheSeacan you PM me your route table on wifi and then on 3G, with the pptp up?20:10
ManoftheSeaPM because it's spam to the rest of the room.20:10
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trumeeyup. just a sec. will login into a proper computer20:10
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ManoftheSeaI can't promise anything.20:10
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andre__GAN900: best to ask Karsten. I don't/can't track it20:11
GAN900andre__, mmm20:12
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wutrHi, I'm new to maemo. Does anyone know some good reading material about using it and maybe some recommended tweaks / apps?20:32
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andre__wutr, I assume you're a user? :)20:34
andre__maybe check or go to and take a look20:34
wutrUh, I'm somewhat experienced with linux as well20:35
wutrif that's what you mean?20:35
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ManoftheSeawutr, what would you want for tweaks?20:36
ManoftheSeaDo you mean to make it fast, useable?20:36
t-tanhas anybody already tried this ?20:36
wutrmore usable20:36
ManoftheSeaAs for apps... enable extras-testing and look through it.20:36
andre__ManoftheSea, no?20:37
andre__if at all, please first read the big warning at the top of .20:37
ManoftheSeaandre__: er, sorry.20:37
ManoftheSeaI meant just extras.20:37
andre__ah. okay :)20:37
ManoftheSeahe's right, testing is not for "useable"20:37
ManoftheSeaIt's for "slightly more stable than unstable"20:37
wutr ?20:38
ManoftheSeayeah, that's the community "app-store".20:39
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wutrextras-testing seems to be useful as well..20:42
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wutrmaybe a stupid question, but I receive my N900 tomorrow, is reflashing the same as a "hard reset" I used to perform on S60 devices?20:42
andre__and you might want to check Ovi Store too (well, if it works). some stuff in there is for free and can be fun (e.g. Bounce)20:42
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SpeedEvilIt wipes all applications, but does not touch files in your home directory20:43
ManoftheSeapff.  All the coolest games are available by emulation.20:43
SpeedEvilthis is where stuff like contacts are stored20:43
ManoftheSeac64, amiga, nes, snes, genesis, master system, etc20:44
GAN900wutr, http://wiki.maemo.org20:44
SpeedEvilIt wipes the filesystem of / to be specific - 256M device - /home is 2G20:44
infoboti heard flashing is
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wutrwas browsing the wiki a bit indeed, but I manage to end up at really advanced topics all the time20:45
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ManoftheSeawutr, what are you looking for info on/20:46
ManoftheSeawutr: as andre__ said, extras-testing is just for slightly more stable apps.  They may not crash your phone, but they may not 'work'20:46
wutractually everything I can find about maemo, but I have to start somewhere, right?20:47
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ManoftheSeaYeah, watching this room is fun then, too.20:48
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ManoftheSeaI believe most people that talk regularly are active developers for maemo20:49
wutrthats why I dug up the old mIRC ;)20:49
ManoftheSealuke-jr, DocScrutinizer51 can probably elaborate on that.20:49
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wutrAnd you?20:49
DocScrutinizer51not now in a hurry ttyl20:49
ManoftheSeaI'd like to, but am too lazy to really learn.20:49
ManoftheSealearn by doing, I mean.20:50
wutrthat's how it's done..20:50
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wutrmight need some basic skills though20:50
ManoftheSeaLike, I learned about signals and slots in college... but haven't done it in a while.20:50
kpomanhey to all ! can someone help me get this on my scratchbox ?20:51
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Stskeepsdneary: what meeting tonight?20:51
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dnearyStskeeps, TSG20:51
Stskeepsit's tuesday20:51
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dnearyYes. It's Tuesday20:52
Stskeeps19th is tomorrow ;)20:52
dnearyBut tomorrow is Wednesday20:52
Stskeepsyes, and tsg meetings are on wednesdays20:52
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wutr@ManoftheSea don't know anything about that, sadly..  but I probably will discover it while learning Qt20:53
dnearyStskeeps, I got it :)20:53
Stskeepsi got doubting if it was -really- tuesday today20:53
wutrIRC skills are a bit dusty as well...20:53
GAN900wutr, http://planet.maemo.org20:53
dnearySince "Yes, it's Tuesday" I've been pulling the mickey20:53
ManoftheSeawutr...  If I remember right...  Qt will split your app into threads.  One does the GUI, another does "real work"20:53
GAN900wutr, too20:53
dnearyLate on announcing the brainstorm20:54
dnearyDay bled out on me20:54
ManoftheSeaSo your GUI components will emit signals, like "clicked"20:54
pupnik_Tue May 18 20:54:25 GMT-3 201020:54
ManoftheSeaWhile your "do stuff" classes will have slots20:54
ManoftheSeayou connect them together, then in your app when the "Go" button is clicked, it emits clicked(), and anything attached acts on it.20:55
andemoniqt will do no such thing20:55
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andemonisplit your application automatically into threads, i mean20:55
ManoftheSeahmm.  Then your turn.20:55
wutrLike events and there handlers in C#?20:55
ManoftheSeawutr: I believe it's similar20:55
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ManoftheSeaAs soon as anyone challenges, I'll defer to them.20:55
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: ?20:56
wutrNo problem, that's how we keep learning20:56
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ManoftheSeaBut yes, Qt, GTK+, or Visual Studio are all going to have similar ways of taking GUI interaction to real work-performing functions20:57
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dnearyJaffa, GAN900, Where do you guys want the brainstorm? Community or Brainstorm?20:58
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kpomando someone know how can I get diablo extras free armel on a scratch box ?20:58
wutrI read about mono for maemo somewhere, but C++ will do the job way better right?20:58
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tripzerowutr, depends on the job.  C++ is notably faster than mono20:59
tripzerobut that depends on the coder20:59
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wutrGAN900, thanks for the links21:00
wutrfor end users c++ is more convenient I think. Unless they all have mono installed somehow21:00
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pupnik_does maemo autobuilder ignore or honor cflags i specify in debian/rules?21:04
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trumeeManoftheSea: posted the solution here
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trumeeManoftheSea: vpn over 3g is working well now.21:08
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dnearypupnik_, No idea - do you have build logs to checkN21:08
wutrSpeedEvil, you told me about flashing leaving the home directory etc. as it is, is there a way to really reset the device?21:08
jacekowskiwutr: do full flash21:09
jacekowskiwutr: not just root21:09
jacekowskiwutr: but emmc as well21:09
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wutrSo that's flashing the firmware again + emmc21:11
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jacekowskiwell, just emmc would do the job21:11
pupnik_well guys be real careful of those n900 speakers21:12
jacekowskior mhm21:12
jacekowskiit's not emmc21:12
wutr*reading the flashing wiki*21:12
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jacekowskiyou have to flash rootfs and emmc21:13
SpeedEviljacekowski: I was asking earlier about what you were doing WRT graphics - if that's why you pinged21:15
jacekowski16:13 < SpeedEvil> jacekowski: What's this for?21:15
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jacekowskithat's why i pinged21:16
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ManoftheSeatrumee: good to hear it.  Cool solution too.21:19
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wutrIf I understand correctly, for N900 you don't have to flash eMMC21:27
kalikiananormally you don't need to21:27
kalikianaonly if you have some testing firmware such as by receiving a preproduction device21:27
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wutrWill the stuff in mydocs get removed too then?21:28
wutrwithout flashing emmc21:28
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SpeedEvilIt is a pity there is no simple easy one-step 'I want this phone the way it was when it left the factory, yes really.' operation.21:31
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wutrHaha thanks for telling me, that was what I was trying to find out21:32
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DisconnectSpeedEvil: thats one nice (and occasionally frustrating) thing about android - the partitioning is a mess, but the system partition is (in normal use) immutable so you can tell teh bootloader or the recovery initrd to wipe out the user data partition and restore it to a "firmware fresh" image (firmware revs write to the system part, so you can't revert the os, just wipe your data)21:33
Disconnectfrustrating because thats why no-lie almost half the available flash is dedicated to "/cache" which isn't used by much outside of updates. need to be able to download and apply an update when all the writable parts are full.21:34
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wutrbut, flashing firmware + emmc on N900 will return it to "factory fresh"?21:36
iluminator101How do i add video codecs in n90021:37
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lcukwutr, yes21:37
lcukthe overwrites all the partitions21:37
lcukNO user data remains21:37
lcukno photos etc21:37
wutrcheeeck. thank you :)21:37
lcukalso, remove the other mmc21:37
lcukbecause no flashing or whatnot touched it21:38
zaheermiluminator101, which codec do you want?21:38
iluminator101wmv ...lol21:38
ManoftheSeauh, isn't that a container?21:38
zaheermwmv is a codec, asf is a container21:38
iluminator101all w32 codecs like in debian21:38
* ManoftheSea realizes he just spoke in ignorance.21:38
ManoftheSeasorry everyone.21:38
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zaheermiluminator101, in app manager install extra decoders support21:39
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wutrlcuk, let me first find out how to flash emmc before finding out what the "other" mmc is21:39
ManoftheSeado you mean the removeable one?21:39
SpeedEvilwutr: the one in the little holder.21:39
ManoftheSeawutr, you'd have to add it yourself.21:39
lcukwutr, the one you have to plug in21:40
lcukunder the battery cover thingy21:40
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: Or have a minion do so.21:40
ManoftheSeaSpeedEvil: well yes, there is that.21:40
lcukjust a reminder - its often left in many devices21:40
wutro lol sorry21:40
* ManoftheSea wishes he had minions21:40
wutrthat mmc21:40
wutrwhat does "emmc" stand for actually21:40
SpeedEvilembedded MultiMedia Card21:40
wutrso that's the 32GB?21:41
wutrisn't it just formattable then? like normal partitions?21:41
SpeedEvilDoes flashing the emmc actually erase all data - or does it merely wipe the formatting information, and place fresh over it/21:41
ManoftheSeaformatting info?21:43
ManoftheSeaFor flash, doesn't it have an "erase" operation?21:43
ManoftheSeaWhere it's set to all 1's21:43
SpeedEvilhowever that is never exposed21:43
SpeedEvilall that's exposed is read/write block21:43
ManoftheSeaAre you meaning just erasing the directory info vs. all data?21:43
ManoftheSeaSpeedEvil: I thought that'd changed, allowing Linux to erase during idle time21:44
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: nope.21:44
SpeedEvilManoftheSea: In stuff that supports TRIM - yes. No SDs/emmcs do though21:44
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iluminator101extra decoder support is that right one?21:45
ManoftheSeaalright.  I bow to your technical mastery21:45
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Jaffadneary: Community (if noone answered)21:46
dnearyJaffa: And if someone did?21:47
Jaffadneary: Then I look forward to their reasoning :)21:47
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zaheermiluminator101, yep21:48
dnearyJaffa, :)21:48
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wutrsomething hardware related: is there a seperate plastic layer on top of the touchscreen layer on the N900, or is the surface of the device the touch part already?21:48
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lcukwutr, add your own shield21:49
lcukif you feel you need one21:49
dnearyJaffa: Setting up structure for the wiki to help get things started:
dnearyJaffa, I named it "Brainstorm 2010"21:49
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dnearyI have to force myself not to write "Help decide what Maemo will look like when there's no-one left here"21:51
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Jaffadneary: Cool21:52
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ManoftheSeadneary: where are we going?21:53
ManoftheSeaWhy am I in this handbasket?21:53
dnearyJaffa, What? The title, or what I am holding myself back from writing?21:53
dnearyManoftheSea, Setting the agenda for Maemo for the next 6 months21:53
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ManoftheSeayeah, I know.  And then we all go to meego21:53
ManoftheSeaor neopwn21:53
ManoftheSeaOr whatever.21:53
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pupnikManoftheSea: money buys mininos21:53
Jaffadneary: Title. Sorry - massively distracted, sea of red in our CI system I'm trying to sort out21:54
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wutroe, can the front cam be used as a webcam?21:55
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pupnikwutr: yes21:57
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SpeedEvilIf you mean that can fflash use it - no.21:58
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wutrso no chatroulette for N900 then ;)22:02
Disconnectsure there is, just plug it into the tv :)22:03
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SpeedEvilflash can;'t use that either.22:08
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pupnikwhy would you want to use g*d*m flash?22:09
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wutractually never used chatroulette before, does it use flash?22:10
pupniki would suggest sticking a fork in whoever wants you to use flash22:10
wutrbut I thought it'd be nice to use with a phone22:10
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wutrhaha no flash fan either22:11
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crashanddiei hope opera doesn't implement flash, and only html5 tbh22:12
wutrprobably not.. majority of users likes it too much22:13
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crashanddiemajority of users are idiots22:13
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wutrincluding us22:14
crashanddiewell no, half the users are the most stupid of the pool22:14
wutrhaha explain22:14
crashanddielaw of averages22:14
crashanddieone half is stupid, other half is smart22:14
wutrwell that suits22:14
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crashanddieor well, put in a more politically acceptable way: one half is most stupid, other half is least stupi22:15
SpeedEvilWhat if there are an odd number of users?22:16
SpeedEvilWhat about the one in the middle?22:16
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ManoftheSeaum, even so... you could have a small community of REALLY stupid...22:17
ManoftheSeaIt'd drag down the average.22:17
ManoftheSeaso that much less than half is stupid22:17
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ManoftheSeaPerhaps you mean that half of people are more stupid than the median22:17
crashanddieManoftheSea: not necessarily, if you accept that a small subsection can be really stupid, you have to accept that a small subsection can be really smart22:18
ManoftheSeaindeed, possible.22:18
ManoftheSeaBut mine is always correct.22:18
crashanddieall generalisations are bad, including this one22:19
ManoftheSeaEverything I've said is a lie.22:19
ManoftheSeaexcept that22:19
ManoftheSeaand that22:19
ManoftheSeaand that22:19
ManoftheSeabut not that one.22:19
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dnearycrashanddie, My experience is that you don't get a bell-shaped distribution of stupid & smart in most groups22:42
dnearyStupidness & smartness are clumpy22:42
dnearyNo homogeneity22:43
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Viliny_on_N900hey, anyone have a clue why my touchscreen calibration tool shuts down abruptly when pressing the first point?22:44
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Viliny_on_N900i dled the calibration bug fix in repos but no dice22:44
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andre__Viliny_on_N900, what fix in what repos?22:45
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Viliny_on_N900im not sure where it is but i have extras and extra devel22:45
andre__Viliny_on_N900, sounds like you run into
povbotBug 10088: screen calibration terminated unexpected22:45
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andre__but it's not clear how it's triggered22:46
andre__maybe add a comment and list what other stuff you have installed.22:46
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luke-jrlol wtf22:46
pupnikok, no comments about Firefly either, thx22:46
Viliny_on_N900why do you only take on ops when you deal justice?22:47
pupnikpoint of style22:47
StskeepsViliny_on_N900: freenode trend22:47
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luke-jrthey like to be sneaky22:47
andre__Viliny_on_N900: I'm not even sure with the current resolution of that report. so if you can provide more info, do it :)22:47
X-FadeTo strike when you least expect it.. muhahaaha. ;)22:48
luke-jrwe have a counter trend in #anime :D22:48
emillohi all, I'd like to buy a n900, will this program run on it?
crashanddieemillo: it's for Maemo 422:48
pupnikemillo: i compiled it but did not optimize it22:48
crashanddieemillo: so default answer: it would need to be ported and optimised for the n90022:48
emillook so not impossible22:48
emillobut not done yet right?22:49
luke-jr81 total; 44 ops :p22:49
crashanddieluke-jr: #freenode?22:49
luke-jrcrashanddie: #anime22:49
emillook thank you22:49
crashanddieluke-jr: heh22:49
pupnikhave fun ;)22:49
crashanddieluke-jr: epeen contest I guess22:49
crashanddieluke-jr: no voices? Weird22:49
luke-jrcrashanddie: no, we just op everyone remotely trustworthy :P22:49
emilloit seems I have to buy the nokia :)22:49
Viliny_on_N900andre i don't know if i can provide any help to the report22:49
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emillothanks all22:49
luke-jrcrashanddie: everyone else has voice22:50
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crashanddieluke-jr: btw, is the single # allowed, considering it's not a FOS project?22:50
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luke-jrcrashanddie: it is22:50
luke-jrwe have a couple of products even :p22:50
andre__I wonder how to start the screen calibration applet from the command line22:51
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crashanddiedneary: I was actually more referring to IQ than stupidness (there are no factors qualifiy stupidity, AFAIK). The thing is that "stupid" users, are often highly educated and very honest people.22:53
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thopiekaryes, AEnima1577g ?22:55
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andre__Viliny_on_N900, well, provide a coredump by installing crash reporter :)22:57
Viliny_on_N900i think my phone is too defiled to be used as a platform for bug reports :P22:58
andre__well, would still be interesting.22:59
Viliny_on_N900how though?22:59
andre__see the bug report22:59
andre__I've filed instructions there22:59
andre__however might not work because bloody PR1.2 is not out yet, garr23:00
Viliny_on_N900working on phone screen, able to paste link again?23:00
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minttuxhow can i unzip zip file i didn't find any software for it23:01
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andre__minttux: unzip is in extras-devel IIRC. however read the warning here first:
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Viliny_on_N900well, poo23:03
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AEnima1577gthopiekar, i found your nick on a thread about streamripper from a few years ago, i was wondering if you could help me out23:04
minttuxso there is no way23:04
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Viliny_on_N900minttux there are many ways and ypu just got one23:04
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andre__minttux, did you read what I wrote?23:05
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thopiekarAEnima1577g: whats your problem?23:05
minttuxhow can i open link in xchat in maemo23:05
lcuktap n hold23:05
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AEnima1577gi have a steam, which i think is a microsoft codec, and im doubting that streamripper can handle that23:06
AEnima1577gthe stream is for a station WSHA 88.9 raleigh23:06
thopiekartryed it on a linux desktop?23:06
AEnima1577gthe stream?23:06
AEnima1577gi can get it to play in vlc though23:07
thopiekartry it and give me please then feedback..23:07
thopiekarthat isn't a reason that streamripper can to it, too23:07
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minttuxi read it .isn't there simplest way for unzip extra-level is dangrous23:12
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SpeedEvilextras devel is in principle dangerous.23:13
SpeedEvilAs it consists of poorly tested applications.23:13
SpeedEvilI've installed perhaps 70? At one time or another, and have not had any issues that simply deinstalling the app won't fix.23:14
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lcukminttux, -devel and -testing are the bleeding edge of software development.  note the part about bleeding.23:16
minttuxi amazing why there isn't any software for unzip23:16
Ikarusminttux: you can simply install unzip23:17
Ikarusand call it from the terminal23:17
lcukminttux, unzip23:17
lcukor open the file managr and extract it ?23:17
lcuki think23:17
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minttuxluck in filemanager i couldn't rename and there is no unzip command and uextract menu in filemanger23:19
SpeedEvilfilemanager basically blows.23:19
SpeedEvilIt's closed-source too, so can't be easily fixed.23:19
SpeedEvilI tend to ignore it and just use shell.23:19
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adeustheres a filemanager? :)23:19
adeusnever opened23:20
minttuxso i should install another filemanager?23:20
* lcuk tries again mm where did i get extracter from 23:20
tripzerowhy do you need a "file manager"?23:20
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minttuxrename a file and exctract23:21
tripzeroalso, that's what the disk mode is for23:21
minttuxminizip is in app managemer?23:21
tripzerodo it on the desktop where it is less painful23:21
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minttuxi search minizip and xterm in app managemer but nothing found23:23
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minttuxsu doesn't work and sudo need password but what is my pass?23:31
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Stskeepsinstall rootsh package and then sudo gainroot23:31
tripzerothe root pass is "minttux"23:32
lcuktripzero, only on your computers23:32
tripzerodoh! how did you know?23:32
lcukdont tell anyone tho23:32
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minttuxi have easy root not rootsh where is that?23:33
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lcuktripzero, changing your password to stskeeps isnt allowed either23:34
lcukthat was your PW last month23:34
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fralsbah damn extras interface and showing everything in utc23:35
fralsanother 2hrs before i can promote fmms23:35
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adeusutc sounds great23:35
tripzeropasswd\n stskeeps\n lcuk\n23:35
tripzerooops, wrong window23:35
SpeedEvilthe timer restarts on new version, and the old version stays in extras?23:36
tripzeroactually, changing my password to the nicks in IRC isn't a bad idea.23:36
tripzeroeasy to remember...23:36
lcuktripzero, and select irc pals who have same attributes23:37
lcukfor matching sites23:37
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lcukfor my OBS login i use lbt :P23:37
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lcukstrangely enough, the garbage disposal site needed a password23:38
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minttuxi used apt-get install unzip but there is no package23:44
luke-jrit's ok23:44
luke-jrZIP sucks23:44
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trumeeanybody has a bluetooth headset with media controls?23:45
tuliobaarswhy can't I umount my sd card?23:46
luke-jrdoes a single button count as media controls?23:46
trumeei have a nokia bh-214 and found a bug with bluetooth23:46
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trumeedouble pressing telephone button only redials mobile calls and ignores sip calls23:47
tuliobaarsi can't umount my sd card. Why?23:47
minttuxi can use apt-get please give me a packge there is an repository23:47
johnsqsomething still using the sd card23:47
minttuxfor unziping23:47
tuliobaarsbut how can i stop it?23:47
luke-jrtuliobaars: fuser -k /mnt/mmc123:48
trumeetuliobaars: reboot?23:48
trumeetuliobaars: or maybe find the process with lsof23:48
luke-jrtrumee: Maemo4 starts using SD card immediately on boo23:48
tuliobaarscan't be /dev/mmcblk0p1 ?23:48
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tuliobaarsmmc1 is the internal or the external card?23:49
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luke-jrthey're all the same to me!23:49
DantonicN900hey anyone use the vnc viewer?  Is there a way to fix the issue with the double key strokes?23:49
tuliobaarsfuser: no such file or diretory23:49
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luke-jrDantonicN900: that's your VNC server I think23:50
luke-jrtuliobaars: install it I guess23:50
gomiamdouble key strokes? Please explain DantonicN90023:50
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gomiamI don't have that problem at all23:50
gomiamand I even learned how to right click on an N800 :)23:50
DantonicN900uhm don't have that issue when logging in from another desktop23:50
luke-jrgomiam: VNC sends "key down" + "key up"; if your link has latency, the other end can do some kb repeating23:50
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luke-jrDantonicN900: over wifi?23:50
ManoftheSearight click?23:50
DantonicTthhiiss  Iissuuee23:50
ManoftheSeacan it happen on n900 too?23:51
tuliobaarsluke-jr, it only worked with the /dev/mmcblk0p1. Thanks!23:51
DantonicN900over wifi or internet23:51
DantonicN900same issue23:51
gomiamManoftheSea: no idea... does N900 have zoom in/out buttons like N800 does?23:51
luke-jrDantonicN900: well, try turning off kb repeat on the server end23:51
DantonicN900hmm not sure what that is, I'll look into it23:52
ManoftheSeait has a volume rocker.23:52
ManoftheSeawhich zooms some of the time23:52
DantonicN900but why would it only have issue with the n900?23:52
tuliobaarsfuser -k didn't really worked... it cant umount23:52
DantonicN900and not from another desktop?23:52
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gomiamManoftheSea: because, AFAIK, on N8x0, zoom out/fullscreen/zoom in would substitute for left, center, right click when pressed and tapping happened on the screen.23:52
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gomiamManoftheSea: if the rocker allows pressing... perhaps it might work23:53
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tuliobaarshow can I force umount ?23:53
gomiamtuliobaars: umount -f ?23:53
gomiamtuliobaars: don't remember the syntax right now.23:53
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tuliobaarsthe forced umount failed!23:54
ManoftheSeahmm, thanks23:54
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tuliobaarswhat can I do?23:55
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adeusor waste hours :P23:55
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tuliobaarsi've rebooted and it failed again23:57
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tuliobaarsumount -f /dev/mmcblk0p123:58
tuliobaarsumount: forced umount of /media/mmc2 failed!23:59
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tuliobaarsumount: cannot umount /media/mmc2: Device or resource busy23:59
Dantonicluke-jr, can you elaborate a little about what kb repeat is exactly?  I use x11vnc23:59
adeusfuser? lsof?23:59
tuliobaarsme ?]23:59

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