| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: I'm tempted to do. They told me they need to send it in to nokia repair central services as it was them who did the prev repair | 00:00 |
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| Arkenoi | not really bad | 00:00 |
| mtnbkr | tybollt: or a pretty good school (depending on your political bent) :) | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though the repair itself prolly will take 20min | 00:00 |
| Arkenoi | but we went to a shooting ranage just once | 00:00 |
| lcuk | tybollt, theres many countries in the world and each has its own rules regulations munitions and people | 00:00 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: mine was parently sent to germany for service. | 00:00 |
| Arkenoi | shells were expensive | 00:00 |
| tybollt | mtnbkr: hrr hrr | 00:00 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer51 | 00:00 |
| Arkenoi | so i volunteered to go to some rifle shooting, it was not mandatory | 00:01 |
| hawai`i | I'm Canadian. What's a gun? :P | 00:01 |
| tybollt | lcuk: if you studfy in Iraq and Afghanistan or perhaps Gaza strip maybe you need to take the AK47 101 class - but in other countries? HELL NO | 00:01 |
| Arkenoi | s/ranage/range/ | 00:02 |
| tybollt | hawai`i: boo, you all hunt moose over there =) | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: (ammo) Aegypt red, Finnland black | 00:02 |
| Arkenoi | the school sucket otherwise, except that military part which was pretty boring most of the time as well | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: (sisterhood, Gift) | 00:03 |
| tybollt | Arkenoi: where'd you go to school? | 00:03 |
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| Arkenoi | too little shooting too much dealing with gas mask etc | 00:03 |
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| Arkenoi | saint petersburg | 00:03 |
| lcuk | tybollt, why so strongly against it? do you feel strongly enough to fight for the principle? | 00:03 |
| Arkenoi | it was called Leningrad back then | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | i have never fired a real gun | 00:04 |
| Arkenoi | ah, and i forgot to mention all that communist propaganda and bullshit | 00:04 |
| Arkenoi | that killed all the fun almost completely | 00:05 |
| tybollt | st petersburg then arkenoi | 00:06 |
| tybollt | ehr wait no | 00:06 |
| tybollt | yes | 00:06 |
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| tybollt | lcuk: sorry but weapons are bad. period. | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | tybollt, in some places there isn't a choice. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | and telling the person pointing a gun at you they are bad isnt really going to do much | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It may make him die of laughter. | 00:09 |
| lcuk | so, learn to run very fast | 00:09 |
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| * Arkenoi still visits shooting range occasinally. a day may come to throw putin, luzhkov and other assholes down and it might be handy to know how to shoot ;-) | 00:09 | |
| lcuk | or accept that some places have standard munitions training | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: basically everything s a weapon if you know hpow to use it. I admit there's tools with a purpose more clearly aimed at extermination of personell | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | cheesecake! | 00:10 |
| inkbottle | Some fonts are missing to visualize this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/colloquial, with default n900 browser. How to fix that? | 00:11 |
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| inkbottle | I've searched the web, but haven't found anything so far | 00:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 hands Myrtti a can with pressurized cream | 00:12 | |
| * Arkenoi used to beat annoying people with an umbrella. not special self-defence umbrella (such a thing does exist), but a regular one. the bad part is that it could be used only once, it breaks ;-) | 00:12 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, cheesecak is dangerous | 00:13 |
| * omar thinks Arkenoi sounds like a cranky grandpa | 00:13 | |
| lcuk | cheesecake | 00:13 |
| lcuk | tybollt sounds crankier | 00:13 |
| * omar cranks up the volume | 00:13 | |
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| Arkenoi | omar: i looks almost like one, just not very old ;-) | 00:13 |
| lcuk | who remembers bow and arrows with suckers on the end :D | 00:13 |
| omar | cool :) | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | oh meh. first I was like, -______-, then I thought let's have coffee. Then I remembered I don't have milk. now I'm .____. | 00:14 |
| omar | are you supposed to shoot the suckers into your moufs? | 00:14 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, black coffee ftw | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | ew | 00:14 |
| omar | eww coffee w/o milk | 00:14 |
| lcuk | ill email you some milk | 00:14 |
| omar | go buy some dood | 00:15 |
| Myrtti | thanks. | 00:15 |
| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/arkanoid24.jpg | 00:15 |
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| omar | that's you Arkenoi? | 00:15 |
| omar | doesn't ur neck beard itch? :P | 00:16 |
| Myrtti | omar: there's some problems with your suggestions, namely a) I don't have a car b) I don't have drivers licence c) being a pedestrian right here, right now is a silent wish for suicide | 00:16 |
| omar | Myrtti, where do you live? and why don't you have all these necessities? | 00:17 |
| lbt | cake.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4604426181/ | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, high vis jacket and ample handfuls of cheesecake | 00:17 |
| lcuk | holyhell lbt | 00:17 |
| * thresh doesnt have a drivers license either | 00:17 | |
| lbt | just so you can look at it :) | 00:17 |
| tybollt | lbt: what's that? | 00:17 |
| Myrtti | omar: I'm staying in a hotel in Silicon Valley that's situated between two highways. | 00:17 |
| Arkenoi | well, now i look more like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/meeting.jpg | 00:18 |
| lbt | lemon sponge pudding cake | 00:18 |
| tybollt | lbt: looks yummy >:) | 00:18 |
| tybollt | lbt: YUMMY | 00:18 |
| omar | Myrtti, wow sleeping must suck! | 00:18 |
| lbt | it's kinda like lemon curd | 00:18 |
| tybollt | lbt: recipe, bitte | 00:18 |
| lbt | it takes about 20 mins ... | 00:18 |
| Myrtti | omar: did I mention I wanted coffee? | 00:18 |
| omar | yeah you did... maybe you should get some rest | 00:18 |
| tybollt | lbt: so, hand me :) | 00:18 |
| omar | you're starting to repeat yourself | 00:18 |
| tybollt | you're starting to repeat yourself | 00:19 |
| lbt | tybollt: typing | 00:19 |
| tybollt | lbt: what the hell - just cut'n'paste ;) | 00:19 |
| omar | Arkenoi, now i thikn you're just finding random photos before the world was in color | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I repeat myself when I'm under stress | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I repeat myself when I'm under stress | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I repeat myself when I'm under stress | 00:20 |
| lbt | tybollt: cut'n'paste? I'm a chef... it's in my head | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | ok, medical team, prepare david for surgery, i want 0.5mm slices | 00:21 |
| Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. | 00:21 |
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| Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. | 00:21 |
| lcuk | tracy makes a great lemon drizzle cake | 00:21 |
| Myrtti | all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. | 00:21 |
| tybollt | yeah | 00:21 |
| tybollt | I spent two months in a hotel room last summer, central copenhagen | 00:21 |
| tybollt | worst summer in my life | 00:21 |
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| Myrtti | we have a kitchen. too bad the utensils are so shit it's next to impossible to cook anything | 00:22 |
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| Myrtti | concave stainless steel frying pan, steak knives for cutting... | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | omar: well, this one is in color: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/troff-bd.jpg | 00:23 |
| omar | i see | 00:24 |
| Myrtti | anyway, I was going for a shower | 00:24 |
| lbt | tybollt: done... | 00:24 |
| omar | looking stylish there | 00:24 |
| tybollt | go for starbucks instead | 00:24 |
| tybollt | lbt: ok!? | 00:24 |
| lbt | refresh | 00:24 |
| Myrtti | tybollt: starbucks is even further away than a shop selling milk. nice idea tho | 00:24 |
| * Myrtti buggers off to shower | 00:25 | |
| omar | Arkenoi, http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/cc05-2.jpg you damage anyone w/that umbrella? | 00:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 feels with Myrtti while nippin on his latte macchiato | 00:26 | |
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| Arkenoi | omar: likely, i wasted one umbrella in saint petersburg (maybe that one) and two in moscow ;-) | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: With or without the ricin-ball in the tip? | 00:27 |
| tybollt | lbt: woot awesome, vielen dank Her! | 00:27 |
| tybollt | r | 00:27 |
| omar | Arkenoi, u should just smack people with your hand would save you money on umbrellas ;) | 00:27 |
| Arkenoi | omar, yes, but it makes more fun with umbrella ;-) | 00:28 |
| lbt | enjoy... it really is pretty good ... especially if you like lemon curd / lemon cheese | 00:28 |
| tybollt | FUCK DAMIT flat out of eggs | 00:28 |
| tybollt | :( | 00:28 |
| tybollt | no cake for me | 00:28 |
| * SpeedEvil has eggs. | 00:29 | |
| * SpeedEvil should make cake. | 00:29 | |
| * omar has chickens | 00:29 | |
| * omar that lay eggs | 00:29 | |
| tybollt | grrrr | 00:29 |
| lbt | takes about 20 mins SpeedEvil... | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: I know the theory. | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: I only have one lemon though. | 00:29 |
| * omar has a lemon tree | 00:29 | |
| lbt | heh, a recipe is like advice... | 00:29 |
| lbt | got an orange? | 00:30 |
| tybollt | omar: I'd get chickens.. | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/mouse.jpg - btw i caught a live mouse in the office once ;-) | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I just have raspberries in the garden, and apples, and some spinach. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: wait I'll drop in for a piece | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | there is the proof | 00:30 |
| tybollt | but my cats would probably kill the chickens :( | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | (only the spinach is functional yet) | 00:30 |
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| lbt | there you go, 1 lemon and 5-8 raspberries... | 00:30 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: spinach stew is awesome w/ a nice deepfried halibut or such | 00:31 |
| omar | tybollt, we have them in a gigantic metallic cage.. but we actually have a lot of younger ones just roaming around our lawn and we have plenty of stray cats here | 00:31 |
| omar | i don't know how they aren't dead | 00:31 |
| omar | they huddle en masse though so that might help | 00:31 |
| * lbt once saw his cat chased off by a couple of pheasants... | 00:31 | |
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| lbt | I always teased him about that ;) | 00:32 |
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| tybollt | omar: hmm yeah.. I dream of one day moving out to the country side... some poultry... pigs... etc... I could kill a baby pig for dinner every night | 00:34 |
| tybollt | they cooked baby pig on TV tonight, god damn that looked tasty | 00:34 |
| * lbt thinks about the smell of a pig farm.... maybe not | 00:34 | |
| omar | hah | 00:34 |
| tybollt | oh yeah? | 00:34 |
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| omar | i'm gonna pass out | 00:35 |
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| tybollt | think about the smell of a baby pig stuffed w/ various greens slow roasted over an open fire | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg - I have not eaten the one on the left. (yet) | 00:39 |
| BCMM | lbt: your cat should see this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg | 00:40 |
| omar | u ate a bunny wabbit?! | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil1 | nom | 00:41 |
| omar | i want a cat ;( | 00:41 |
| lbt | BCMM: heh :) | 00:41 |
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| * SpeedEvil1 passes omar a nice cat, with some onions, with an orange sauce. | 00:42 | |
| Myrtti | bugger. | 00:42 |
| omar | Myrtti, u want roasted cat w/onions and orange sauce? | 00:42 |
| Mousey | yum | 00:42 |
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| omar | wait wait.. who says bugger? is that a UK term? | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil1 | yes | 00:43 |
| BCMM | yes indeed | 00:44 |
| omar | i have a memory of someone saying "buggah" in a deep english voice.. that's how i guessed ;) | 00:44 |
| BCMM | do they not say it in the US? | 00:44 |
| omar | it might have been "oh buggah" | 00:44 |
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| omar | nope | 00:44 |
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| omar | Myrtti, while you're in that area try to get someone to drive you on highway 1 ;) | 00:46 |
| omar | and go to berkeley hills | 00:46 |
| omar | esp at night time | 00:46 |
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| Myrtti | omar: we're leaving on Saturday, and we've done plenty of sightseeing. | 00:47 |
| GAN900 | BCMM, usually only ironically. ;) | 00:47 |
| omar | o i see | 00:47 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, see the redwoods? | 00:47 |
| omar | i miss that area ;( | 00:47 |
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| Myrtti | GAN900: nah, but we did drive from santa cruz to san jose | 00:47 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, then you haven't done enough sightseeing. :P | 00:48 |
| omar | Myrtti, did you eat pho yet? | 00:48 |
| omar | go eat pho | 00:48 |
| omar | NOW | 00:48 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: I know, we haven't had time to do sightseeing other than on weekends | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Isn't that one of the teletubbies? | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, too bad. | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil1, Vietnamese soup. | 00:49 |
| omar | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Pho_in_Saigon.jpg/800px-Pho_in_Saigon.jpg | 00:49 |
| omar | this stuff is amazing | 00:49 |
| omar | i used to eat it 5x a week | 00:49 |
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| omar | it's pronounced "fuh" though so don't look stupid ;P | 00:51 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if omar is doing the old nasty joke of teaching french that "fuck you asshole" means merci beaucoup | 00:58 | |
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| SpeedEvil | In some tones of voice it does. | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | As can 'Have a nice day' have a similar meaning. | 01:02 |
| Macer | spy game is a good movie | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still I wonder what pho might be (other than a request to get raped) | 01:08 |
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| lcuk | anyone know roughly how many machines can be sat around a single wifi router before it is saturated | 01:09 |
| lcuk | thinking irc spec data transfer only | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | no heavy web/downloads | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly the number is *virtually* unlimited, just determined by the type of network you configure. And of course by the max number of sessions in your NAT | 01:10 |
| BCMM | lcuk: i believe some routers have an actual limit that is reachable | 01:10 |
| BCMM | lcuk: as for how many before there isn't enough bandwidth, that really really depends on what you mean by "heavy" | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all practical purposes I'd guess a few dozen clients is the maximum | 01:11 |
| lcuk | well bcmm, as i said irc chitchat rather than than downloading divs movies | 01:11 |
| lcuk | but it would be with udp multicast | 01:11 |
| BCMM | lcuk: for just irc, it's probably close to whatever the router supports... | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | yeah BCMM i thought as much, i wonder about an adhoc session | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget collisions | 01:12 |
| lcuk | and whether you can actually do full meshing | 01:12 |
| BCMM | i know nothing at all about ad-hoc | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, collisions? | 01:12 |
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| lcuk | ahh ip based? | 01:12 |
| lcuk | ie dhcp? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | at some point the number of retransmits will explode | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, just media sharing | 01:13 |
| lcuk | retransmit is tcp | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | medie here is RF | 01:13 |
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| lcuk | udp connectionless protocol | 01:13 |
| lcuk | do best to get through to everyone | 01:13 |
| lcuk | but those at the back might struggle to hear | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | still on RF two clients may collide | 01:14 |
| lcuk | mesh would be better really | 01:14 |
| lcuk | rog | 01:14 |
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| BCMM | does the n900 do mesh networking? | 01:15 |
| lcuk | BCMM, it does adhoc (very well actually) | 01:15 |
| lcuk | but alas, i dont think true mesh | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as there's no real collision detect on WLAN (as you can't receive the true media while you send) you need ACK from AP anyway | 01:15 |
| BCMM | yeah, noticed the ad-hoc support when trying to find wifi in a station | 01:15 |
| ManoftheSea | I thought I read the hardware would support mesh. | 01:15 |
| lcuk | BCMM, it might njust be a driver issue tho - i havent looked into how (for example) the OLPC does mesh | 01:16 |
| ManoftheSea | 802.11u, or something? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | yeah it will be protocol rather than specifics | 01:16 |
| lcuk | we have the radio to do it | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | is mesh worth it, really? | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | When you have 3g? | 01:16 |
| BCMM | any idea if it's capable (in hardware) of infrastructure mode? | 01:16 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, 3g isnt everywhere | 01:17 |
| ManoftheSea | and sometimes, you want to network with people nearby | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, when the chip knows promiscuous mode and packet inject, you can do whatever you want | 01:17 |
| ManoftheSea | I know, a phone so you can talk to people next to you. | 01:17 |
| lcuk | and in large densely populated places you can get higher bandwidth over wifi | 01:17 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and the n900 does? | 01:17 |
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| crashanddie | ManoftheSea: in which case dhcpcd + ad-hoc should be sufficient | 01:17 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, sharing photos in back of mcdonalds | 01:17 |
| BCMM | by infrastructure mode, i mean acting as an access point | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | moitor/promiscuous seems to work, though "only on chan 6" ;-P | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno about injection | 01:18 |
| lcuk | yes BCMM we have that now too afaik dont we | 01:18 |
| lcuk | no injection yet | 01:18 |
| lcuk | but i saw the chan 6 had been worked around with a kernel hack | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: haven't checked up on infra mode lately | 01:18 |
| BCMM | you mean it does do AP mode? | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: last I heard it didn't work yet | 01:18 |
| lcuk | BCMM, theres an app you can buy to do it isnt there? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | you buy it, it turns n900 into AP | 01:19 |
| lcuk | and all computers connect and use 3g | 01:19 |
| * lcuk cant remember name | 01:19 | |
| lcuk | or am i wrong | 01:19 |
| BCMM | isn't taht just money for netfilter settings? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fries your CPU | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | which app s it | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | joghurtspot? | 01:19 |
| lcuk | BCMM, its money for a practical user friendly solution | 01:19 |
| BCMM | fair enough | 01:20 |
| BCMM | i'm not entirely clear as to the difference between infrastructure and ad-hoc | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | adhoc is peer to peer | 01:21 |
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| BCMM | i mean, what would the disadvantage be if one just put several machines on an ad-hoc, but the n900 was running DHCP and NAT? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | infra is with a central AP | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, it may be thats exactly whats happening | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | adhoc kills the battery | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | but moh is right, adhoc has no battery saving | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | PSM doesn't function in adhoc... | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | \o | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | #/me remembers where tab complete it | 01:22 |
| lcuk | is | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | well yoghurtspot is notorious to kill battery and melt the plastic case, no? | 01:22 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, somewhere, someone was using JoikuSpot and.... http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg | 01:23 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 01:32 |
| PhonicUK | MohammadAG, Did you ever get the keyboard to flash against mic amplitude? | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | nope, haven't even touched it lol | 01:34 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted to make a UI in Qt Designer, but I think coding it from scratch is easier | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | or I could just rip off one of lcuk's UIs :P | 01:34 |
| lcuk | PhonicUK, thats relatively simple to implement | 01:34 |
| PhonicUK | Qt Designer is really easy | 01:34 |
| PhonicUK | I know :P | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | the problem is requiring root for changing the values | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | Getting a date with terminal open on your phone is easier | 01:35 |
| PhonicUK | Mohammad and I where talking about it in at some length the other week | 01:35 |
| lcuk | well MohammadAG thats fine :) everything i code is open | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, lol was jk :P | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | but its better if others get involved | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, most of the liq* apps are C++ right? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | raw c | 01:35 |
| * MohammadAG never really got the difference between C and C++ | 01:36 | |
| lcuk | but obviously recently ive been playing with qt and python | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | not my language though :P | 01:36 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna port a game ive written to C++/OGRE/OpenGL ES 2.0 | 01:36 |
| PhonicUK | massive amount of work tho :\ | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | ask for help? :) | 01:36 |
| lcuk | well c++ came by wanting to make structs into classes and true objects | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | so CFront came around which did that | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | uhuh | 01:36 |
| lcuk | it compiled C++ files to native c | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | you lost me at structs | 01:37 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: so how could those become objects in c code then? | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | magic, as steve jobs would say | 01:37 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, an object is just a struct | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: wrapper functions around each struct, for each object.function() call? | 01:37 |
| lcuk | with a list of methods attached | 01:37 |
| PhonicUK | no, steve jobs would say "We're not letting developers do that on the iPhone" | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: so that it would become function(object)? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | object.function(args); | 01:38 |
| lcuk | becomes | 01:38 |
| lcuk | class_function(object,args); | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | interesting | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | that actually works? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | theres nothing magic about OO programming | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, doesn't the iPhone use ObjectC? which is similar to C? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | sure | 01:38 |
| PhonicUK | you can use C, C++ or Objective C | 01:38 |
| lcuk | a class is just a collection of methods related to a block of data | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG | meaning steave jobs didn't disallow it :P | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: erhm, objective C isn't really like C, I mean, it's more related to C# than C | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | an update for Chromium is out :D | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | <3 C# | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | I always thought C# was a typo | 01:39 |
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| crashanddie | it should've been | 01:39 |
| lcuk | microsoft java | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | C# is an awesome language | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | that would be J# :P | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | which sucks | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | well, it is fun | 01:39 |
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| PhonicUK | I love the .NET framework | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | but doesn't really bring anything over C++ or Java to warrant going to C# | 01:40 |
| PhonicUK | and how everything is organized in namespaces | 01:40 |
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| crashanddie | well, except if you like .NET | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | tbh I started reading a C++ book in June last year | 01:40 |
| kalikiana | crashanddie, wrong. objetive-c is a strict superset of C, unlike C# it is not an entirely new language | 01:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, regarding c++ downgrades i would love to use cfront to have object.method() syntax | 01:40 |
| lcuk | its so much cleaner | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | then I reached some stuff about unsinged and signed | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | kalikiana: aye, but in usage | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | I got lost there | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | about 50 pages into the book | 01:40 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna make something like PHP, but using Lua as the underlaying language | 01:40 |
| lcuk | unsigned and signed | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: indeed | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | unsinged was a typo :) | 01:41 |
| PhonicUK | and instead of storing files in the filesystem, I would have a massive database that stored the files+documents used by the webserver | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: hey, if it works, I'm all for it | 01:41 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, thats even easier if you know asm and binary representation of numbers | 01:41 |
| PhonicUK | the entire thing sandboxed | 01:41 |
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| MohammadAG | I have a calculator :P | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: there's a moment where objects get easier to handle, quite simply | 01:41 |
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| kalikiana | crashanddie, it depends on how you use it, like C++. you *can* use it to do exactly the same | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | assembly language, oh | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | yup crashanddie | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | PhonicUK: try python | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | then I learned about Qt, thought it would make programming like ms paint | 01:42 |
| MohammadAG | so I stopped reading the book | 01:42 |
| PhonicUK | crashanddie, why? | 01:42 |
| kalikiana | lol | 01:42 |
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| MohammadAG | apparently I was wrong about the last part | 01:42 |
| lcuk | kalikiana, sure for your own codebase you can specify the format and grammar and scope of what you expect your teams to use | 01:42 |
| lcuk | but hitting a random c++ codebase can feel like a whole other language | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | PhonicUK: it has all those cheatingly easy shortcuts that programming languages should've had for ages, and just makes programming fun again | 01:43 |
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| MohammadAG | never got the static and void parts too | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: those are easy | 01:43 |
| PhonicUK | VB.Net is the language i use for fun stuff :P | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, easy for you to say | 01:43 |
| PhonicUK | C# for serious stuff | 01:43 |
| lcuk | vb6 was my toy | 01:43 |
| PhonicUK | C++/C for really serious stuff | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | and which is why, PhonicUK, you'll never be taken seriously on this channel :) | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | (sarcasm flag raised) | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:43 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 01:43 |
| lcuk | PhonicUK, vb.net and c# should be functionally equivilent? | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | they are | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | equivalent even | 01:44 |
| lcuk | they both compile to the same intermediate binary | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | theres bits of each i prefer though | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | i prefer typecasting in C# | 01:44 |
| * lcuk likes the .net framework, i hate the IDE | 01:44 | |
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| crashanddie | equivilent == as evil one as the other | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | i prefer interface and generic type handling in VB.Net | 01:44 |
| Macer | know what's funny. when the NFL is ok with guys who drive drunk and smash into people killing them | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | (or vile, if you prefer) | 01:44 |
| Macer | or fighting dogs until one dies for fun | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | the C# syntax for both feel a bit tacked on and clunky | 01:44 |
| Macer | http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/nfl-marijuana-football-league-national-football-league-420-weed-shield-logo/ | 01:44 |
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| Macer | but don't mess with their logo :) | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | Macer: we don't give a flying sod about nfl | 01:44 |
| Macer | hahaha | 01:45 |
| Macer | what's a sod? | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | list<string> MyList = new list<string>; | 01:45 |
| Macer | is that euro for shit? | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | dim MyList as new list(of sting) | 01:45 |
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| lcuk | yeah phonic | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | i prefer the 2nd syntax | 01:45 |
| kalikiana | PhonicUK, use vala, then you get "dim" masked as "var" in C# style syntax ;-) | 01:45 |
| Macer | i have a credit on my damn comcast service.. how awesome is that | 01:46 |
| Macer | they owe ME money haha | 01:46 |
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| PhonicUK | i hate PHP xD | 01:46 |
| PhonicUK | which is annoying, because its what I have to use full time at work :\ | 01:46 |
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| PhonicUK | x86 assembler is fun, in a masochistic kind of way | 01:47 |
| lcuk | ewww | 01:47 |
| lcuk | 68k ftw | 01:47 |
| PhonicUK | lol M68xxx's are fun | 01:47 |
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| PhonicUK | PICs are sorta fun but annoying | 01:47 |
| PhonicUK | ARM assembler is a pain | 01:47 |
| PhonicUK | SPARC assembler makes me want to tear my eyes out | 01:48 |
| lcuk | the nokia devices feel a lot like amigas to me | 01:48 |
| lcuk | multi chipset arch | 01:48 |
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| lcuk | each should be pulling weight | 01:48 |
| PhonicUK | lcuk, I wanna run the ARM port of AROS on my N900 :) | 01:48 |
| Macer | aros haha | 01:48 |
| corecode_ | can we set up a gitorious repo with a proper kernel tree and branches for various additional features? | 01:48 |
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| corecode_ | right now it seems a bit complicated to follow all quick development | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Or alternatively, all should be off, with one doing the work of them all. (in low usage scenarios) | 01:49 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone tried to play any of the Metal Slug games in SDLMAME? | 01:50 |
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| MohammadAG | not me | 01:50 |
| Macer | metal slug! | 01:50 |
| PhonicUK | i loved those games | 01:50 |
| Macer | hell yeah :) metal slug X was the best | 01:50 |
| Macer | i miss neogeo | 01:50 |
| PhonicUK | high five for Metal Slug | 01:50 |
| Macer | samurai showdown iv was the best too | 01:51 |
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| PhonicUK | gah everything looks small | 01:51 |
| PhonicUK | time to sleep | 01:51 |
| PhonicUK | does anyone else get that? | 01:51 |
| * SpeedEvil passes PhonicUK some binoculars. | 01:51 | |
| PhonicUK | everything looks like its really small and far away (especially peoples heads) when they are tired | 01:51 |
| Macer | i thought openarena played very well | 01:51 |
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| PhonicUK | i found openarena a bitch to control :| | 01:52 |
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| Macer | took me a while to realize it uses the phone as a directional pad | 01:52 |
| Macer | the whole leaning left and right thing | 01:52 |
| lcuk | >> im outahere | 01:52 |
| PhonicUK | i still haven't got quake 2 to start :\ | 01:52 |
| Macer | q2 was the horrible one | 01:52 |
| PhonicUK | sucks that it doesn't support OpenGL ES | 01:52 |
| lcuk | cyas later #maemo MohammadAG PhonicUK Macer DocScrutinizer etc | 01:52 |
| lcuk | \o | 01:52 |
| Macer | the first one and q3a were great | 01:52 |
| PhonicUK | cya lcuk | 01:52 |
| Macer | ioquake isn't using gl? | 01:52 |
| Macer | for quake 3? | 01:52 |
| PhonicUK | for quake 3 it is | 01:52 |
| Macer | oh | 01:52 |
| PhonicUK | for quake 1/2 its not | 01:53 |
| Macer | q2 sucked anyways :) | 01:53 |
| PhonicUK | Q1/Q2 is fun to play on my N97 :) | 01:53 |
| Macer | heh | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | cya lcuk | 01:53 |
| Macer | q1 is a little dated.. i love q3.. openarena is actually pretty awesome as well | 01:53 |
| Macer | although i need to practice on the phone a bit more | 01:53 |
| Macer | it is hard for me to control it | 01:53 |
| PhonicUK | i can't find my Q3 disk | 01:53 |
| Macer | the leaning will take getting used to for a little bit but with a little practice i should be able to kick some ass | 01:54 |
| PhonicUK | are the controls the same as openarena? | 01:54 |
| Macer | i haven't tried straight q3 | 01:54 |
| Macer | only openarena | 01:54 |
| Macer | i can't find my disc either. i haven't used it in years | 01:54 |
| Macer | i'll just download one when i get the chance | 01:54 |
| PhonicUK | i find the controls in openarena very clunky | 01:54 |
| Macer | the leaning is odd | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | there is one obvious option. | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | That would fix this for most games. | 01:55 |
| Macer | i wanted to hook a mouse/kb up to it | 01:55 |
| PhonicUK | id prefer to use the accelerometer for free look, and the keyboard for movement | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | One n900 to control, one to play | 01:55 |
| Macer | and hook it up to the tv out | 01:55 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: it isnt too bad | 01:55 |
| Macer | once you get used to the leaning around it's pretty good | 01:55 |
| Macer | but forward/backward is rather awkward though | 01:55 |
| Macer | maybe there should be a key to stop :) heh | 01:55 |
| Macer | looking up and down is kind of flakey too. i want to get a bt mouse and use my bt keyboard and mouse and hook it up to the tv out and roll around kicking ass in openarena on my tv using my phone | 01:56 |
| Macer | how awesome is that? almost as awesome as it would be if it had a cups port :) | 01:56 |
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| PhonicUK | <3 transmission ^_^ | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | does anyone else have their N900 doing torrenting duty overnight? | 01:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: Mine sleeps at night. | 01:58 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: it has transmission? | 01:58 |
| Macer | how about rtorrent? :) | 01:58 |
| Macer | heh | 01:59 |
| Macer | that sounds like it would murder an n900 heh | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | it works really well | 01:59 |
| * Macer poctures torrenting over tmob 3G :) | 01:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's not _too_ bad - on wifi | 01:59 |
| Macer | pictures | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | it's pretty bad | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | Macer, I tried that | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | it works supprisingly well | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | it's pretty awful on 3g | 01:59 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: did it work? :) | 01:59 |
| Macer | hahaha | 01:59 |
| Macer | wow really? | 01:59 |
| Macer | that's a shock | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | 45KB/s | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | you'll prolly need to stick it in the fridge. | 01:59 |
| Macer | oh | 01:59 |
| Macer | that's not too bad | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | on 3G, not 3.5G | 01:59 |
| Macer | is there a gnutella client? | 01:59 |
| Macer | i hardly hit 3.5G | 02:00 |
| Macer | maybe if i am stationary in certain places in chicago but usually i'm on 3G | 02:00 |
| PhonicUK | ive never tried it on 3.5G, i hit my home wifi first xD | 02:00 |
| Macer | heh | 02:00 |
| PhonicUK | BBC iPlayer works well though :) | 02:00 |
| PhonicUK | and 4oD | 02:01 |
| PhonicUK | iTV Player doesn't work tho :( | 02:01 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes you could download shit properly. | 02:01 | |
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| PhonicUK | SpeedEvil, I read that the wrong way :| | 02:01 |
| PhonicUK | what do you mean exactly anyways? | 02:01 |
| Macer | wtf is itv? | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) grrr | 02:01 |
| Macer | heh | 02:01 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: just get rid of 1 argument | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | ITV is a British TV station | 02:02 |
| Macer | or put a proper } in | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: My network is not always available | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | aah | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: I want to be able to download stuff to flash | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, I'm not sure where that argument is | 02:02 |
| Macer | british tv? :) | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Eddie Izard. | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | yes, we have TV here in England :P | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | orly? | 02:02 |
| Macer | do they show csi london or something? | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | Also, the BBC stations have no advertisments :) | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:02 |
| Macer | is there a csi london? | 02:02 |
| Macer | heh | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | which is awesome | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: sort-of | 02:03 |
| * SpeedEvil forgets what it's called. | 02:03 | |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: what do they call it? sherlock holmes? | 02:03 |
| Macer | hahaha | 02:03 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried Open Remote Play? | 02:03 |
| Macer | i know there is a british law and order | 02:03 |
| PhonicUK | Johnathan Creek xD | 02:03 |
| Macer | it would be interesting if i understood british law :) | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I can vaguely recall a sort of UK-CSI one | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the name though. | 02:03 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: sherlock holmes! :-P | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) | 02:04 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what he removed | 02:04 | |
| Macer | MohammadAG: a } | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | prolly something that's actually important | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | oh well, the dev can fix that | 02:04 |
| Macer | haha | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | removed another argument and it's showing the same error | 02:05 |
| Macer | well you can't randomly remove them | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | he can fix that too | 02:05 |
| Macer | haha | 02:05 |
| Macer | that's like winning the lottery :) | 02:05 |
| Macer | }! | 02:05 |
| PhonicUK | whats everyones N900 uptime? | 02:05 |
| Macer | ah well. going to play wii with my son. ttyl | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Macer: Oh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | cya Macer | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ot that | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | not | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | TypeError: unbound method __init__() must be called with HeAboutDialog instance as first argument (got GtkButton instance instead) <-- yep I broke something | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | I should get some sleep | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | later all | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | night PhonicUK | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | n8 | 02:06 |
| Macer | i have 3 days | 02:06 |
| Macer | for my uptime | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | same oddly enough xD | 02:06 |
| Macer | ok.. later ;) | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | + 10 hours | 02:06 |
| Macer | WIIIIII | 02:06 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a killer app. | 02:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | A wii liar. | 02:07 |
| Macer | 03:07:19.00 | 02:07 |
| PhonicUK | trying to SSH my N900 is painful while its torrenting | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | You pair a wii remote with the n900 | 02:07 |
| Macer | 03:07:19:00 | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | you pair the n900 as a wii remote with the wii | 02:07 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: can you do that?? | 02:07 |
| Macer | heh | 02:07 |
| Macer | i hacked my wii | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | you set a variable 'screw' - and you hand the other wii remote to your opponent | 02:07 |
| Macer | and shoved a ton of games on a usb hd | 02:07 |
| Macer | :) | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle | 02:07 |
| PhonicUK | hahaha | 02:08 |
| PhonicUK | i can see where thats going | 02:08 |
| joga | hehe | 02:08 |
| PhonicUK | you know what would be cooler? | 02:08 |
| PhonicUK | the ability to record and playback movements :P | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Or of course that | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | macros | 02:08 |
| Macer | hah | 02:08 |
| Macer | yeah but you can't connect a nunchuck to the n900 | 02:08 |
| Macer | :/ | 02:08 |
| joga | but it would need to control the human | 02:08 |
| joga | ;) | 02:08 |
| PhonicUK | can you connect a Wiimote? | 02:08 |
| lcuk | duct tape | 02:08 |
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| * lcuk coughs and hides | 02:08 | |
| PhonicUK | Ive connected one of my PS3 controllers, thats quite cool to do | 02:08 |
| Macer | lcuk: hahaha | 02:08 |
| joga | nunchuk connects to the wiimote | 02:09 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: find me nba live for n900 :-D | 02:09 |
| Macer | i love nba live | 02:09 |
| PhonicUK | if only the Playstation emulator was up to scratch... | 02:09 |
| PhonicUK | shame because theres an emu for the OpenPandora (same OMAP3 chip) that runs full speed | 02:09 |
| joga | how's openpandora doing? | 02:09 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: there is a such thing as an openpandora? | 02:09 |
| Macer | i thought that was vaporware :) | 02:09 |
| PhonicUK | no idea, i used to have a pandora preorder, but I cancelled it | 02:09 |
| Macer | hahaha | 02:09 |
| Macer | when did you preorder? 20 years ago? | 02:10 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:10 |
| Macer | :) | 02:10 |
| PhonicUK | i had a preorder for about a year | 02:10 |
| Macer | touchbook was my lesson in pre-ordering | 02:10 |
| Macer | NEVER.... AGAIN | 02:10 |
| PhonicUK | i was position ~1500 ish in a queue of 4000 people | 02:10 |
| PhonicUK | I pre order games, but I don't think ill be preordering hardware again | 02:10 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: are they actually shipping them out? | 02:11 |
| PhonicUK | not yet | 02:11 |
| Macer | hahaha! | 02:11 |
| Macer | STILL?? | 02:11 |
| PhonicUK | they're not fully assembled yet xD | 02:11 |
| Macer | they must be making them by hand | 02:11 |
| PhonicUK | http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en | 02:11 |
| Macer | "hand crafted!" | 02:11 |
| Macer | heh | 02:11 |
| kalikiana | hence the term pre-order. like pre-historic, it's already dead but still talked about... | 02:11 |
| joga | I guess they had some misfortunate delays in the manufacturing and stuff, I remember seeing photos of chips that got busted in transit or something | 02:11 |
| PhonicUK | its been the ultimate nightmare of a project | 02:12 |
| PhonicUK | i hope they pull it off eventually | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weather fine here? | 02:12 |
| PhonicUK | I don't think i'll be getting one though | 02:12 |
| PhonicUK | my N900 does anything the pandora can | 02:12 |
| joga | and, well, now I have a cell phone that seems versatile enough, but when pandora was a new thing I thought it was pretty cool | 02:12 |
| PhonicUK | all it doesn't have is the gaming controls | 02:12 |
| Macer | so they are hand crafting them! | 02:12 |
| PhonicUK | now the pandoras hardware is looking a bit dated | 02:12 |
| Macer | i thoguht it was supposed to be a gaming thing | 02:13 |
| PhonicUK | when it first got announced it was really like, wow | 02:13 |
| Macer | like that was its intent :) | 02:13 |
| PhonicUK | it is a gaming thing | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: http://xkcd.com/644/ | 02:13 |
| PhonicUK | i was saying my N900 doesn't ahve gaming controls | 02:13 |
| Macer | oh | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | relevant xkcd is relevant. | 02:13 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: hook up a ps3 controller :) | 02:13 |
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| PhonicUK | way ahead of you :P | 02:13 |
| Macer | and tv out | 02:13 |
| PhonicUK | PS3 controller + TV Out + Dr Nok Nes | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: (pandora) yeah, raster and me even planned to base a phone on that design :-D | 02:13 |
| Macer | haha | 02:13 |
| Macer | dr nok nes! | 02:13 |
| Macer | ah well. bbl. ;) take care.. going now | 02:14 |
| PhonicUK | or Picodrive | 02:14 |
| PhonicUK | I played Sonic 3 on a 60" TV not so long ago | 02:14 |
| PhonicUK | that was sweeeeeeeeeet | 02:14 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 02:15 | |
| kalikiana | sonic the pixel hog | 02:15 |
| kalikiana | now with ultra big pixels | 02:15 |
| PhonicUK | pray tell SpeedEvil, what doth ye ponder upon? | 02:15 |
| joga | if only the pixels were made of something that looked like real material | 02:15 |
| ManoftheSea | Man, I can't stand CDMA carriers | 02:15 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:15 |
| ManoftheSea | Because with GSM, they give me a service. | 02:15 |
| PhonicUK | LEGO bricks xD | 02:16 |
| ManoftheSea | CDMA sell me a phone. | 02:16 |
| joga | yeah :) | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is physically possible with current technology. | 02:16 |
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| zash | Hoolxi: LEGO PIXELS FTW | 02:16 |
| joga | or stereoscopic pixels at least or something, and some texture on them | 02:16 |
| PhonicUK | SpeedEvil, what about a A9 CPU? | 02:16 |
| ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: smaller, bigger screen? | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | s/physically/economically/ | 02:16 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is economically possible with current technology. | 02:16 |
| PhonicUK | Dual Core @ 1.2GHz | 02:16 |
| ManoftheSea | I'd want a crypto-engine. | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: yes - at least half the size, with a 12" screen. | 02:16 |
| PhonicUK | maybe a higher resolution screen the same size | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: tere is one | 02:16 |
| joga | I assume you've all seen the youtube video 8-bit trip by some swedish guys | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fullsize screen *FUUL*size | 02:16 |
| ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: crypto-engine in the A8? | 02:16 |
| ManoftheSea | oh hell yes. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | et al | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - that | 02:17 |
| ManoftheSea | If I actually owned an n900, ALL my traffic would be ipsec and ssl tunneled back to my home simply because I can. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: multitouch might be good | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no friggin bezel | 02:17 |
| ManoftheSea | But I'm only evaluating the n900 | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | frame whatever | 02:17 |
| ManoftheSea | wait, only sha1 and md5? | 02:18 |
| ManoftheSea | What are you trying to pull, I thought you said it supported crypto | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yeah, surface wave | 02:18 |
| PhonicUK | I want a screen that unfolds to be 1ft across | 02:18 |
| PhonicUK | and is 100000x300000 pixels in resolution | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: I haven't read deeper. It may be just a hardware hasning unit | 02:18 |
| joga | why not 20 feet | 02:18 |
| PhonicUK | and a 4GHz octocore processor | 02:18 |
| kalikiana | PhonicUK, bad luck if it gets stuck in the car door | 02:18 |
| PhonicUK | and 2 weeks continual battery life | 02:18 |
| ManoftheSea | I like my gPC. It's a Via C-7, it's got some padlock thing... | 02:19 |
| joga | PhonicUK, so, you want to be an engineer then? ;) | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is why I said physically and economically possible. | 02:19 |
| PhonicUK | joga, Arguably, I'm already an engineer :P | 02:19 |
| PhonicUK | my job title is "Software Engineer" | 02:19 |
| ManoftheSea | AES in hardware, two thermal RNGs | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and, depending on what you're wiling to carry around for bat weight, built-in microprojector, also usable as a desktop virtual keyboard | 02:19 |
| PhonicUK | its almost ironic, because guess who I work for :P | 02:19 |
| joga | PhonicUK, I bet a hardware engineer is needed to get the display you want | 02:19 |
| joga | :) | 02:19 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:19 |
| ManoftheSea | Actually, I'd like a slightly larger battery. | 02:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Or alternatively, an a4 sheet of paper, with a keyboard on itand the front camera. | 02:20 |
| ManoftheSea | 12 hours under routine use, 3 under constant use. | 02:20 |
| ManoftheSea | SpeedEvil: you want an iPad? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, not bad either | 02:20 |
| Termana | good morning | 02:20 |
| joga | ManoftheSea, hmm, I think it already lasts that long at least | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you already patented it? ;-D | 02:20 |
| ManoftheSea | joga: that's what I'm seeing. | 02:20 |
| ManoftheSea | I want more. | 02:20 |
| PhonicUK | I really should sleep | 02:21 |
| PhonicUK | later all | 02:21 |
| joga | my routine use without heavy load is something I can do for probably 3 days | 02:21 |
| ManoftheSea | Course... I also wanted to buy solar panals and a LiIon pack, with a USB charger. | 02:21 |
| ManoftheSea | Leave the panels in the sun, come back to my car and plug it in, etc. | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ManoftheSea: The ipad is too heavy. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: HDMI and a nice visor | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | with eyetracking | 02:21 |
| ManoftheSea | joga: 3 days on the same charge? | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 0.7Kg. | 02:21 |
| PhonicUK | N900 would be awesome with HDMI out | 02:21 |
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| ManoftheSea | HDMI? Isn't that some DRM? You can't have that on Linux! | 02:21 |
| joga | ManoftheSea, yeah, I just used it for almost 2 days while ircing and using gps and maps quite a bit, and surfing occasionally | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | For 1.1Kg, I had a 8 hour battery life laptop, that had a nice keyboard, trackstick, and the same size of screen. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not the ones they got in mission impossible ;-P | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Mg/Al case | 02:22 |
| ManoftheSea | joga: how? I can't get it to last one day, even if I don't use it. | 02:22 |
| ManoftheSea | is there a firmware update I might need to do? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3D!!! the KILLER FEATURE | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nad SOOO simple | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | <PhonicUK> N900 would be awesome with HDMI out | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | host mode! | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | For proper 3d, they need to get with the fleshlight people. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:23 |
| joga | ManoftheSea: I dunno, the only two semi-active widgets I have are omweather and some rss ticker, and they only do it like every 4 hours, I've disabled the vibration response on the touchscreen, and not much else I guess | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Indeed - I want composite in too. | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode -worth nuttin! | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | why :( | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah, composite's good for me | 02:24 |
| ManoftheSea | I just recently disabled the vibration... Since starting the motor is the largest drain on current. | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | thought you lost hope or something lol | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: So I can hook up really sensitive security cam to the n900 and see in IR | 02:24 |
| ManoftheSea | I'll see how it affects it. | 02:24 |
| joga | ManoftheSea: also I don't stay logged in to skype unless I'm using wireless, 3G+skype seems to hog some | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, tbh I want lasers | 02:24 |
| joga | ManoftheSea: and if I want to save it even more, I put the screen to its dimmest and just use gsm | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | laser driven micro projector | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | no focusing | 02:25 |
| ManoftheSea | I'm on at&t | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just a 200mW laser | 02:25 |
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| ManoftheSea | Like I said, I'm only borrowing it. So I took my pre-existing SIM | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lasers are not magic | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | they have diffraction | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: three! red, green, blue | 02:25 |
| * SpeedEvil sees four lights. | 02:26 | |
| ManoftheSea | I want front camera during skype calls. | 02:26 |
| lcuk | do not look into laser with remainging eye | 02:26 |
| pupnik | LOL | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 02:26 |
| joga | ManoftheSea: also, I've seen some bad behavior from hildon-home (or -desktop, can't remember), where whenever I click the lock switch and the desktop is displayed, it starts computing something for a few seconds until it becomes responsive. it's some known bug I hope will be fixed, or some problem with a certain widget because rebooting resolves it until it appears again (maybe when they're updated?) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well most of my right eye still functioning well. Just the dark spot up there on the right border of vision | 02:27 |
| joga | so I keep a cpu/mem statusbar thingy there and I can see if something is using cycles a lot | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then that was a 3W green | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a silly 200mW | 02:28 |
| ManoftheSea | I've had trouble with hildon freezing too. | 02:28 |
| ManoftheSea | Usually right around 3 days uptime. | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or all three together | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.moillusions.com/2006/03/find-your-blind-spot-trick.html | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | no thanks | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | random eye-related | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah for me | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got 2 blind spots in my right eye :-D | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | oh expected something with lasers lol | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they would adapt that thing for me? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | that was disturbing x.x | 02:30 |
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| MohammadAG | I felt 3 spots o.O | 02:30 |
| ManoftheSea | I'd like other kinds of commo on my n900... Maybe a walky-talky feature? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | with my glasses on I always saw it | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | push-talk would be a good app | 02:31 |
| * MohammadAG donates to SpeedEvil, make one! | 02:31 | |
| MohammadAG | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars lol | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PTT is a standard app of most carriers | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | just nobody needs it | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | encrypted ptt might be fun | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | obviously orange isn't one of those most | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it is handy in some cases | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: wherever you'd use a walky-talky. | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, how is it better than a conference? | 02:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | no continuous call | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | can be cheaper | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | true | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | more power saving | 02:34 |
| ManoftheSea | I'd want walky-talky that didn't touch the cell net. | 02:34 |
| ManoftheSea | I'd also liek a pony | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | though no-TX-on-silence should do reasonably well for power conservation | 02:34 |
| * MohammadAG throws a pony at ManoftheSea | 02:34 | |
| ManoftheSea | is it UHF radio? | 02:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer sends B52 with 3 megatons ponies | 02:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | is WHAT a UHF? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "what is IT"? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: basically a GSM conference with all the power saving option in place on the phones *is* automatic/VOX PTT | 02:38 |
| ManoftheSea | walkie-talkie, generally UHF radio | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | a walkietalkie can be several things, from 27MHz CB to 886MHz digital | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | or two cups with a string between them | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several standards | 02:39 |
| opdf2 | anyone using a brodit holder with proclip addon? | 02:39 |
| opdf2 | thinkin of gettin it... | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using a flux capacitor | 02:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: and yes - but often conf calls are expensive to setup | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: also - FM TX/RX are a walkie-talkie too. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (just that you might as well talk normally, it has more range) | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | far more | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | still it might come in handy for usecases where you *want* a small range: NFC for pairing etc | 02:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 02:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you seen the "take two phones and shake them" for generating a shared secret? :-D | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I love that. | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that genius | 02:45 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I assume you have taken the precautionary measures and put this sign up? http://ptbuggy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/flux-capacitor.jpeg | 02:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lack of a drunk-mms filter? | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 03:01 |
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| Pekuja_ | is it possible to run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop? | 03:17 |
| Pekuja_ | I compiled an armel binary from an example and tried to run it but it just made Xephyr crash. | 03:18 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | if it's an armel binary, how exactly do you want to run it? | 03:19 |
| Pekuja_ | in qemu? | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | the SDK emulator only runs on the X86 target | 03:19 |
| Pekuja_ | ok | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | so either compile it for X86, or use an N900 :) | 03:19 |
| Pekuja_ | so basically, I can't run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop, at least not with these libraries | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'd go for the latter | 03:19 |
| Pekuja_ | I can't compile for X86 | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | not sure, aren't there OpenGL ES libraries for the X86 target | 03:20 |
| Pekuja_ | the libraries aren't available | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | N900 it is then | 03:20 |
| Pekuja_ | well, maybe there are libraries available somewhere | 03:20 |
| Pekuja_ | but most likely not in the maemo/nokia repos | 03:20 |
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| Pekuja_ | maybe PowerVR has an emulator or something? | 03:20 |
| pupnik | um MohammadAG you can run ARMel binaries in SDK | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, the emulator won't run | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, if it's OpenGL, I'm assuming he needs on screen output from an emu, not from a shell | 03:22 |
| Pekuja_ | MohammadAG: that's what the X server is for | 03:22 |
| pupnik | your statement seemed to be more general than opengl. nevermind | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 03:23 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 03:23 |
| Pekuja_ | I'm not sure if OpenGL runs, but I'm pretty sure normal X11 software can run if console software can | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | last part there ^ | 03:23 |
| Pekuja_ | oh? | 03:23 |
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| MohammadAG | * Armel target does not bring up the UI framework | 03:23 |
| Pekuja_ | what does exactly mean? | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" | 03:24 |
| Pekuja_ | what is "the emulator"? | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | the UI | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | though emulator is not the best word to describe it | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | since on X86 it's not actually emulating anything | 03:25 |
| Funnyface | the other day we were talking a bit about charging currents for the N900.. how about that little adapter that came with the N900? :> | 03:25 |
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| kajko | there was no little adapter with my N900 | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG | EU devices only afaik | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't come with my US device | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | tbh it's not that good, it over heats a lot | 03:30 |
| pigeon | is there some sort of adapter that has a mic so that i could plug any normal headphone to it (for the n900)? | 03:30 |
| kajko | i see.... yeah mine is US | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | pigeon, no idea if the N95 ones work | 03:31 |
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| MohammadAG | or similar | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | anything pre-N97 to be more precise | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | actually the N97 had a two piece headset | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | the BH-214 if you want a BT "adapter" | 03:32 |
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| pigeon | oh, bluetooth only? | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | the N97 ones were wired | 03:33 |
| MohammadAG | so were the N95 ones | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | but again, no idea if they'd work | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | but I assume they should | 03:34 |
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| Funnyface | alright, well I will just keep it in my box then I guess :> | 03:37 |
| Pekuja_ | I guess nobody here does OpenGL development then? | 03:37 |
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| pupnik | i modified an openGL app | 03:38 |
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| derf | Plenty of people here do OpenGL development. | 03:41 |
| derf | At least for some definition of "here". | 03:41 |
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| Pekuja_ | derf: it just seems to be hard to get any answers to GL questions :-( | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: any cheap crap from the import/export shop next door will probably do | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: N900 has a 3pin stereo headphones 3.5mm compatible 4pin headset AV connector. That's as standard as it could possibly get | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a zillion mic-adapter + headphones sets, starting at 5bucks | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all of them will work to the quality they're built | 04:06 |
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| * MohammadAG misses this from his N95 http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/81586_headset.jpg | 04:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the smart one that is? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | with multiple buttons? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, those won't work on N900 | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not as expected | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno how they work on those phones where they do. Maybe you could hack up sth for N900 | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | bu tootb maemo won't support those afaik | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't afaik | 04:10 |
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| MohammadAG | the N97 mini has the same headset as the N900, but with buttons | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IQvea8OOl_4/SxfbkCiY3hI/AAAAAAAAFf4/JZWqlPn0v-M/s1600/30112009669.jpg | 04:11 |
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| pupnik | n97 mini is beautiful | 04:12 |
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| MohammadAG | it's fugly | 04:14 |
| pupnik | you mean the keyboard? | 04:16 |
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| pupnik | the sliding mechanism is sweet | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | the N97 is awesome (in terms of design), the N97 mini is just ugly | 04:21 |
| pupnik | right. i have a lovely pair of coconuts. | 04:23 |
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| MohammadAG | night lcuk :P | 04:27 |
| kdubois | my maemo sdk gui installer is failing on dpkg problems, does anyone know a solution? | 04:27 |
| pigeon | thanks DocScrutinizer | 04:28 |
| pigeon | and thanks MohammadAG too | 04:28 |
| pupnik | do you use the vmware image for the sdk kdubois | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | np :) | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | most probably not, it doesn't need an insatller | 04:28 |
| kdubois | no, i just downloaded the gui python installer i found on the wiki. here's the problem in the log http://pastebin.com/FrevVyGy | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | kdubois, post the log on pastebin.com | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | bah | 04:29 |
| * pigeon is a new n900 owner, had it for about a week, and loving it. | 04:29 | |
| MohammadAG | welcome aboard :) | 04:29 |
| pupnik | maemo-core-runtime depends on sudo; however: ???? | 04:29 |
| pupnik | *depends* on ubuntu? | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | pupnik, Ubuntu 10.04? | 04:29 |
| * pupnik farts | 04:30 | |
| MohammadAG | is that... a yes? | 04:30 |
| kdubois | the host is ubuntu10.04 | 04:30 |
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| * MohammadAG needs a link | 04:30 | |
| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 04:30 |
| infobot | from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | ~thanks | 04:30 |
| infobot | gern geschehen, MohammadAG | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | ~botsnack | 04:30 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: thanks | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | kdubois, read the 10.04 part here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 04:31 |
| kdubois | alright, will give it a try | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | worked for me | 04:32 |
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| shinkamui | two things | 05:05 |
| shinkamui | 1. I want a google wave client, wasn't someone in here in possession of the API? | 05:05 |
| shinkamui | 2. I need a good image viewer that supports folders in folders :) | 05:05 |
| njsf_ | shinkamui: there is none AFAIK not even Chrome :) they all crumble under large waves | 05:06 |
| shinkamui | yea, I can't even find a pc client for wave | 05:07 |
| shinkamui | it kills me | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | the media player does folders in folders | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - it won't actually show you the folders | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | which... | 05:08 |
| njsf_ | shinkamui: I think it will rather kill wave. they made too much of a public announcement | 05:08 |
| shinkamui | I just uploaded like 200 pictures into a wave | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | firefox is struggling | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | and this is on a quad core 3.4ghz box with 6gigs of ram | 05:09 |
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| shinkamui | SpeedEvil, lols, thats what sucks | 05:09 |
| shinkamui | I want to keep my porn less integrated... | 05:10 |
| njsf_ | ecmascript as platform is just too taxing on memory and cpu. JIT helps, but is not the silver bullet | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | but seriously, I have lots and lots of photos that I want to keep sorted | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | I keep them well nested by category, date, names, etc | 05:10 |
| shinkamui | so its aggravating to see them all jumbled in the damn main media player. I excluded the root folder, and would like to use them individually. Mediabox works ok, the problem is mediabox handles image viewing crappily | 05:11 |
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| shinkamui | well, I guess beggers can't be choosers | 05:11 |
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| pupnik | shinkamui: want to help make gqview a maemo app? | 05:15 |
| pupnik | it is blazing fast | 05:15 |
| pupnik | and you browse pics by directory, as it should be | 05:16 |
| shinkamui | I would love to | 05:17 |
| shinkamui | what needs to be done | 05:17 |
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| pigeon | would that be geeqie now? | 05:19 |
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| pupnik | yes sir, pigeon | 05:22 |
| pupnik | but that name sucks | 05:22 |
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| pigeon | heh | 05:22 |
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| ohwhyme | woot | 05:25 |
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| kdubois | got the sdk installation working, thanks all. | 05:34 |
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| shinkamui | pupnik, whats your current progress | 05:38 |
| shinkamui | have a project site or an svn or source tree? | 05:38 |
| pupnik | for what | 05:38 |
| pupnik | started juggling things again | 05:39 |
| * SpeedEvil passes pupnik a flaming duck. | 05:39 | |
| shinkamui | gqview | 05:39 |
| pupnik | didn't do anything but figure out how to upload it | 05:40 |
| pupnik | there are some keybindings i think i can do | 05:40 |
| pupnik | right now, other project | 05:40 |
| shinkamui | got ya | 05:40 |
| shinkamui | so its pretty much just a straight port atm? | 05:40 |
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| shinkamui | I can probably pick that up, I just set up madde on my laptop to give that some love | 05:40 |
| * kdubois thinks he made a good decision by picking the n900 over an android phone last week :P | 05:40 | |
| shinkamui | perfect setup | 05:40 |
| shinkamui | really been meaning to put the XT2 to use more | 05:41 |
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| shinkamui | and I think I read that madde supports wireless remote exec on the device | 05:41 |
| shinkamui | with debugging | 05:41 |
| pupnik | nice shinkamui | 05:42 |
| hawai`i | gentlemen. | 05:43 |
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| kdubois | what library do i use in maemo to program in internet connectivity? | 06:01 |
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| pupnik | libconic? | 06:03 |
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| pupnik | http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/ | 06:03 |
| pupnik | i dunno | 06:03 |
| njsf_ | kdubois: you mean managing interfaces or connecting to services etc ? | 06:05 |
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| kdubois | ideally, i'd just be able to call get_internet_connection() :P | 06:05 |
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| njsf_ | call me old fashioned I just like plain old bind/connect/list/accept/read/write/send/recv/close :) | 06:09 |
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| hawai`i | yes. Just use a socket and call it a day. | 06:11 |
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| kdubois | this may be another dumb question, but, using the hildon ui widgets looks different than the widgets that came by default on the n900. are those custom gtk widgets? | 07:06 |
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| ds3 | anyone know what's going on with Mapper? Is there 2 apps of the same name or is there a radical overhaul? | 07:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ovi is so incredibly unattractive | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ovistore to be precise | 07:44 |
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| ljp | put rose colored glasses on, that might help :) | 07:47 |
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| kajko | ovi store is crap... agreed | 07:55 |
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| pigeon | can you use ext2 for the micro sd cards on the n900? | 08:00 |
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| microlith | pigeon: you can, but the usb mouting service won't work | 08:00 |
| pigeon | hmm, i've put the card it, detected, dmesg shows it, but it's not mounted automatically, is that normal? | 08:02 |
| microlith | believe so | 08:02 |
| microlith | it's expecting fat32 on the card | 08:02 |
| pigeon | ah, right, ok. | 08:02 |
| pigeon | thanks | 08:02 |
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| dotblank | my groveshark is about 25% done! | 08:07 |
| dotblank | app* | 08:07 |
| dotblank | I got it to authenticate with grooveshark | 08:07 |
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| pigeon | weird, reformatted to vfat, still nothing | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | open backlid and close | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: ^^^ | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke DBMS lockup | 08:37 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DBMS lockup ... B☢☢M! | 08:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~attack timriker | 08:38 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing timriker | 08:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~good bot | 08:38 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer | 08:38 |
| Wolfie | a fembot? | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, she's cute | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | when she's got no headache in her database | 08:38 |
| Wolfie | fair enough | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 08:39 |
| infobot | Since Thu May 13 03:41:14 2010, there have been 14 modifications, 61 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands. I have been awake for 1d 1h 58m 4s this session, and currently reference 117032 factoids. I'm using about 21500 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2656.61/84.82 child 0.2/0.06 | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 117032, now that sounds better | 08:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 08:41 |
| infobot | I'm on 107 channels: #debian/937, #maemo/512, #kde/354, #meego/347, #gsoc/262, #asterisk/248, #openmoko/163, #wowace/151, #oe/140, #webos-internals/137, #wowuidev/132, #wowhead/104, #sc2mapster/100, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #htc-linux/87, #utah/65, #tomcat/61, #edev/57, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/53, #asterisk-dev/51, #wowwiki/46, #slug/45, #uclibc/43, #gllug/37, #elinux/35, #/34, #norganna/34, #utos/32, #uphpu/30, #brlcad/26, #openjtag/23, ... | 08:41 |
| infobot | i've cached 5017 users, 3632 unique users, distributed over 107 channels. | 08:41 |
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| RST38h | OMG infobot is a shadow overlord KILL IT QUICK | 08:50 |
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| d14 | morning o/ | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: most noticeably infobot is back to normal | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually since a day +1h | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2h | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin raster | 09:00 |
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| raster | dooc! | 09:02 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: hmm, didn't seem to do anything | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | check dmesg | 09:03 |
| pigeon | it detected the card and partition, that's it. | 09:03 |
| pigeon | mmcblk1 | 09:04 |
| pigeon | mmcblk1: p1 | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you formated what exactly | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | which fs? | 09:04 |
| pigeon | mkfs.vfat -F 32 | 09:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I never used -F 32 iirc | 09:06 |
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| pigeon | hmm | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not just format in HFM? | 09:07 |
| pigeon | hfm? | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hildon filemanager | 09:07 |
| pigeon | the file manager? i don't see the card there actually. | 09:07 |
| pigeon | i was wondering about that. | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's quite odd | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=10K count=1 | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will nuke all partition tables and fs markers | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | card will be recognized as unformatted | 09:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on 'inserting' it (actually closing the lid) you probably get a requester asking if it should be formatted - or at least it should show up in FM then (I think) | 09:13 |
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| mece | Good morning maemonian hordes | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:15 |
| mece | ~pr1.2 | 09:15 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 09:15 |
| mece | just checking :) | 09:15 |
| pupnik_ | mece we could be a lot bettetr | 09:15 |
| mece | pupnik_, wot wot? | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, infobot, PR1.2 is <reply>/cs akick $WHO | 09:16 |
| pupnik_ | mece we could be a lot bettetr | 09:16 |
| pupnik_ | i just spent 15 hours tryng to get a new app to maemo | 09:16 |
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| pupnik_ | and if i keep art it for a week or two i might figure it out | 09:17 |
| mece | pupnik_, what is failing? | 09:17 |
| pupnik_ | but why for gods sake | 09:17 |
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| mece | pupnik_, are you having trouble getting it to devel? | 09:17 |
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| pupnik_ | no i need to make it work with maemo | 09:18 |
| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: /dev/zero... still wouldn't come up, very odd | 09:18 |
| pupnik_ | then comes the deb/upload fun | 09:18 |
| pigeon | [18511.828002] mmcblk1: mmc0:3fcc SD08G 7.42 GiB | 09:18 |
| pigeon | [18511.828338] mmcblk1: unknown partition table | 09:18 |
| pigeon | so it's seeing it | 09:18 |
| mece | pupnik_, rightyright. Are you porting something existing? | 09:18 |
| pupnik_ | yeah | 09:19 |
| mece | pupnik_, should I be excited? | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | apple ii emulator | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: yep. So there's no option in FM to format it now? | 09:19 |
| mece | hee | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | not really | 09:19 |
| pigeon | maybe i'll try rebooting the phone | 09:19 |
| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: nope, still nothing. | 09:19 |
| mece | pupnik_, so what's the problem then? | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | it makes nasty noises and wont take kbd input | 09:19 |
| pupnik_ | someone emailed me for help | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: your top level treeview in FM showing what? | 09:20 |
| mece | pupnik_, keyboard seems to be the biggest issue with porting. | 09:20 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: only N900 | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 09:20 |
| pupnik_ | mece i spent so much time of my life on this | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | try mkfs.vfat without the -F 32 | 09:21 |
| pupnik_ | nokia can try to pry this n900 from me | 09:21 |
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| pigeon | i'm doing it on the n900 itself this time, yeah. | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first partition it maybe, with sfdisk | 09:21 |
| mece | pupnik_, are you using a loaner device? | 09:21 |
| pupnik_ | yea | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if a card without partition table (superfloppy) would work | 09:22 |
| pupnik_ | just frustrated | 09:22 |
| mece | pupnik_, have they asked about it? A friend of mine has one, and he hasn't mentioned it. | 09:22 |
| pigeon | same, i'm rebooting now. | 09:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe a good idea | 09:22 |
| pupnik_ | no. and ill keep working too. just sometimes i get beat down | 09:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some partitioning tools recommend booting after you changed a partition table | 09:23 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: there! "Memory card". | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: also the automounter fu might have blown chunks | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | great | 09:25 |
| dotblank | is http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/nonfree Packages down? | 09:26 |
| pigeon | thanks | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost like windows :-P | 09:26 |
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| pigeon | ;) | 09:26 |
| F66F | Hi i have an beginner problem I tried to Compile the Qt4 hello Wold Example 4 my n900 using the ESbox. I build the application 4 Arma and copied the executeable to the phone ... but everytime i try 2 exicute with ./qt4helloworld I get the nasty erro unexpeced ( ... has anyone an i Idear whats going wron? | 09:26 |
| F66F | g | 09:26 |
| dotblank | F66F, I think your trying to copy a binary built for a differant target | 09:28 |
| dotblank | try make clean | 09:28 |
| dotblank | then make | 09:28 |
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| F66F | dotblank: I also tried 2 write an hello wolrd console programm but i wasnt able to find the executeabe in the directorys ... | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | also a od -c `which mc`|head -1 might reveal sth | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/`which mc`/qt4helloworl/ | 09:30 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: also a od -c qt4helloworl|head -1 might reveal sth | 09:30 |
| F66F | is there anywhere an early begginers tutorial? | 09:30 |
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| sobczyk | hi, is it possible to stream video to pc from n900? | 09:32 |
| F66F | sobczyk: i think so | 09:32 |
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| dotblank | sobczyk, yes with vlc | 09:32 |
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| sobczyk | there is vlc for n900? :) | 09:32 |
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| dotblank | sobczyk, also you could just netcat a file | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | socat | 09:34 |
| dotblank | so I got the QtSDK beta to work with my none pr1.2 device.... im in heaven. Iall the apps ive been making since the sdk released now work :) | 09:34 |
| dotblank | non* | 09:34 |
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| Appiah | vlc works on n900 | 09:40 |
| Appiah | I dont know of any gui port but the cli should work without any problems | 09:40 |
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| F66F | is MADDE ready 2 go? | 09:47 |
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| F66F | are you using qt creator and an manual compile in scratchbox or ESbox? | 09:48 |
| MacDrunk | hey | 09:48 |
| MacDrunk | any change that a 3g 850 mhz would be made for nokia n900 | 09:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 09:52 |
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| dotblank | F66F, yes | 09:54 |
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| F66F | thx cu later when im back home .... | 10:03 |
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| wall[e] | hi, should led blink gently while sleeping? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | depends on charging mode | 10:05 |
| wall[e] | my n900's led don't blink | 10:05 |
| wall[e] | it isn't charging | 10:05 |
| wall[e] | is yours blinking? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | depends on if i have it in my car charger or not | 10:06 |
| wall[e] | it isn't blinking when unplug? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | no, that'sualy some kind of notification | 10:06 |
| Appiah | that can be turned on / off | 10:06 |
| alterego | Ooo, "Ovi Store is New and Improved" :D | 10:06 |
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| wall[e] | it helps me finding it in the dark | 10:07 |
| alterego | Not for N900 :D | 10:07 |
| wall[e] | Appiah: found, thanks a lot | 10:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. I could need some help installing pyqt4, here. apt doesn't want to, because 'python2.5-qt4: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (= 4.7.3-maemo2) but 4.7-maemo7 is to be installed' for all the ~20 components | 10:17 |
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| dAnIeLLL | good day | 10:17 |
| Shapeshifter | furthermore: 'python2.5-qt4-core: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed' | 10:18 |
| Shapeshifter | inconceivable that such a mess can persist for months... | 10:19 |
| hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: welcome in nokia world | 10:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, does someone have some debs I can use? | 10:21 |
| Appiah | If you want to port a GTK application to run on Maemo ,and it depends on GTK 2.16 (maemo uses 2.14) What alternatives do I have? | 10:21 |
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| hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: use qt from sdk repo | 10:22 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: it's unfortunate, but the work-around has been about for months too :P | 10:22 |
| Shapeshifter | hrw-uds: that is safe? could you hand me the repo line, please? | 10:23 |
| hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: http://is.gd/c6svp | 10:23 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: I've been doing it for weeks now, stable for me. :) | 10:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | nice, thanks | 10:24 |
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| hrw-uds | Shapeshifter: or install LR1.2 on phone | 10:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | nah. I'm not that interested. | 10:25 |
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| hrw-uds | ~curse nokia for keeping toys | 10:25 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia for keeping toys ! | 10:25 |
| alterego | Is it "safe" to install PR1.2 (loser edition) onto the phone and _not_ install the CMT component? Will that allow me to flash back to 1.1.1 without issue? | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | short story no | 10:26 |
| alterego | Crabs | 10:26 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 10:26 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: interested in pointing me to the long story? ;) | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody aware of any tool to eavesdrop on i2c communication (sw)? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | strace? :P | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ltrace? | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: hmm | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | my last strace rebooted the device ;-P | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure it's no big thing to patch the kernel driver with a few printk | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | or that | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if only I had the slightest idea how to build a kernel XP | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~debian DocScrutinizer | 10:32 |
| * infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 10:32 | |
| Shapeshifter | ...updating catalogues over 2g ftl. | 10:32 |
| slonopotamus | infobot: :D | 10:32 |
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| infobot | d is Soraya_'s unique version of the n disease. There is no cure. | 10:32 |
| slonopotamus | infobot: n | 10:32 |
| infobot | i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. | 10:32 |
| Shapeshifter | lolwut | 10:32 |
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| * slonopotamus confused | 10:33 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~bzflag | 10:34 |
| infobot | i heard bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (win32, linux, mac, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker | 10:34 |
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| ruskie | :) | 10:35 |
| Treibholz | there is a bzflag for maemo? | 10:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hm, good question | 10:36 |
| slonopotamus | ~timriker | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #bzflag and ask tim riker ;-P | 10:36 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. | 10:36 |
| TigerTael | I love how if the N900's screen is turned off and you want to check it, you slide up the keyboard, the screen turns on, you slide it back down 2 seconds later, the screen turns off immediately... | 10:36 |
| TigerTael | It's so awesome. | 10:36 |
| slonopotamus | TigerTael: the only problem is that it doesn't work always | 10:37 |
| Shapeshifter | TigerTael: I actually like that | 10:37 |
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| slonopotamus | TigerTael: if you touch screen, it won't turn off quickly | 10:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | though I guess using the slider switch would be better anyway | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: that's on purpose | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I'd call it a bug if it were different | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: yeah, it's actually smart | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | not *that* smart, as hw-kbd input also resets the timer. Well that's at least debatable | 10:42 |
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| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, ah... | 10:43 |
| TigerTael | But I -like- it. | 10:43 |
| TigerTael | A lot. | 10:43 |
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| TigerTael | Quite often I want to check the screen quickly. | 10:43 |
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| mece | does anyone feel like helping me get my QPlainTextEdit to scroll? | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, for quickly checking the screen the lockswitch actually is the better alternative, less wear | 10:44 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: lockswitch is harder to use with one hand | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's correct | 10:45 |
| mece | I use the app that makes power button unlock | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | tweakr | 10:45 |
| mece | (and lock) | 10:45 |
| mece | no not that one | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | oO | 10:46 |
| mece | lemmesee | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway my hw button is borked =( | 10:46 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, your power button? | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 10:46 |
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| alterego | "app to make power button unlock" ? I thought it did that already :P | 10:47 |
| mece | so how do you turn on your phone? | 10:47 |
| slonopotamus | mece: why you want that? | 10:47 |
| TigerTael | Why isn't important. | 10:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer waiting joyfully for the first time he's standing in the rain, phone has shut down for weird reasons and DocScrutinizer is shouting terrible swearwords while watching out for a cab | 10:48 | |
| slonopotamus | shutdown -h now? | 10:48 |
| slonopotamus | err | 10:48 |
| slonopotamus | forget what i said | 10:48 |
| mece | it's powerlock. Well actually it locks with a single click on the power button, and it's pretty usable for one handed | 10:48 |
| slonopotamus | i read that as 'turn off' | 10:48 |
| mece | hee | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (switch on) for now I fond a method to gently press the button with a 3.41mm long nail of my left hand's middle finger, while holding it 47° angle up to the moon | 10:50 |
| mece | come to think of it I don't really like powerlock. | 10:50 |
| mece | removing. | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | found even | 10:50 |
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| * slonopotamus enjoys stereo sound from n900 while balancing it on his head | 10:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard you can set force-poweron in flasher with R&D mode, so inserting bat or attaching the charger should make it start | 10:51 |
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| corecode_ | if the bitrate is too low, i think you need to do some special dc elimination coding | 11:00 |
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| corecode_ | at 2.4k, 9 bits are already at 260Hz | 11:00 |
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| dhq1 | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.2/Release | 11:04 |
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| TigerTael | dhq1, mmm? | 11:04 |
| dhq1 | TigerTael: what do you think | 11:05 |
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| X-Fade | dhq1: Yeah, so? I set that up months ago ;) | 11:06 |
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| wall[e] | anyone want 3d artist for foss game n900 can ping me | 11:08 |
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| wall[e] | i am good! | 11:09 |
| dhq1 | X-Fade: but uploaded today | 11:09 |
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| X-Fade | dhq1: No, it is just a copy of extras at the moment. | 11:10 |
| mece | wall[e], post an add in development on tmo. There might actually be some takers, who knows? | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | dhq1: So both fremantle and fremantle-1.2 extras are the same now. After PR1.2, only the fremantle-1.2 one will continue to update. | 11:10 |
| wall[e] | mece: will, thanks :) | 11:11 |
| wall[e] | but probably prefer some irc regular | 11:11 |
| wall[e] | hobbies should be done on irc not mail | 11:11 |
| wall[e] | :) | 11:11 |
| dhq1 | X-Fade: damn i was so happy thinking pr1.2 would be out today :( | 11:12 |
| mece | hee | 11:12 |
| wall[e] | now building a theme | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | dhq1: Release file will update on every promotion to Extras ;) | 11:12 |
| dhq1 | which means we are near | 11:12 |
| X-Fade | dhq1: No. | 11:13 |
| dhq1 | hmmm | 11:13 |
| X-Fade | This is extras, not SSU repo. | 11:13 |
| Appiah | :D | 11:13 |
| * dhq1 is sad..... | 11:13 | |
| Appiah | I laugh every time when I see someone talking about PR1.2 | 11:14 |
| * dhq1 wishes she had a boyfriend to help console her | 11:14 | |
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| Appiah | well you could write a app for that dhq1 | 11:15 |
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| dhq1 | hmmm | 11:16 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway | 11:18 |
| dolphin | http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway | 11:18 |
| thresh | http://gizmodo.com/5538801/traditional-cellphone-usage-dying-a-long-painful-death-for-carriers-anyway | 11:18 |
| RST38h | heh | 11:18 |
| dolphin | sorry | 11:19 |
| thresh | combobreaker:( | 11:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i generally make calls which are 10-120 mins long | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | and send very few text messages | 11:35 |
| timeless_mbp | my calls are also generally international | 11:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | the closest ones are England, and the furthest ones are generally California, although I've also called Mexico City :) | 11:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | ehm. installed the qt from the sdk repo to make pyqt work. Now, whend I do 'from PyQt4 import QtCore' it says: "RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v7.0 but the PyQt4.QtCore module required API v7.1" | 11:37 |
| Shapeshifter | what's missing? | 11:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | and what's 'sip' referring to, anyway? | 11:39 |
| Shapeshifter | sip telephony? why would I need that? | 11:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | do I need a newer python from the sdk repo maybe? | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the Qt you're seeing isn't your father's Qt | 11:41 |
| Surfa | sip is a protocol that enables you to talk over packet data connections | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's Qt mobility apis | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | remember a while ago Qt worked to make a phone stack | 11:41 |
| * timeless_mbp can't remember the name of the phone (Qtopia something) | 11:42 | |
| Surfa | Shapeshifter, it's more or less standard way of doing that so most probably you will use it in the future, like it or not :) | 11:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | my calls are probably 90% sip, 7% skype, 3% pots | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | (by time, not volume) | 11:42 |
| Surfa | Shapeshifter, but actually to be more exact, the sip is just session initiating protocol.. that may be used for multiple other purposes too | 11:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | Surfa: sure, I know what sip is. I didn't know it was part of QtCore. in any case, any clues how to get rid of that error? | 11:43 |
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| Surfa | well, sip is quite crucial for mobility stuff so it is needed :) | 11:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=571203 | 11:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: yeah I googled that already. | 11:46 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders if sip is a different sip | 11:46 | |
| Shapeshifter | but they "fixed" it somewhere. | 11:46 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah I think that sip is not *the* sip. | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it might be "Software Input Panel" | 11:46 |
| * Shapeshifter goes asking in #python | 11:46 | |
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| timeless_mbp | but i don't think so | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it looks like python and co being 'helpful' | 11:47 |
| * timeless_mbp suggests shooting python a couple of times | 11:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | it'll make you feel better if nothing else :) | 11:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | noooo, my lovely pythong :'( | 11:48 |
| pupnik | i suggest timeless_mbp and pupnik grab a couple of beers someday | 11:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | s/g // | 11:49 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: noooo, my lovely python:'( | 11:49 |
| inz | Shape, freudian slip? | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: greenphone | 11:52 |
| zlimvos | cant figure out how to uncompress an .lzh on my n900, any ideas? | 11:52 |
| Shapeshifter | I installed python2.5-sip4 and it's gone now. | 11:53 |
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| jaska | .lzh? someone still uses lha? | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | inz: it's odd. I do that typo thrice a day | 11:53 |
| Shapeshifter | probably because *ng is so common in english | 11:53 |
| zlimvos | for the amiga emulator, want to run some old skool demoz :p | 11:53 |
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| RichardP | is there a multitouch implementation for Maemo? | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: when they discontinued it, they suggested to use openmoko for further development of qte ;-) | 11:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, that worked well :) | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ljp was happy like a clam | 11:56 |
| inz | Shape, or maybe you would rather talk about thongs | 11:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | inz: :P | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lempel ziff huffman.... hmm | 11:58 |
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| agi | fú | 12:12 |
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| wazd | ~seen vdvsx | 12:46 |
| infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 20h 1m 40s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'. | 12:46 |
| wazd | :( | 12:46 |
| wazd | hello people :) | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 12:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | helo wazd | 12:47 |
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| wazd | RST38h: moo | 12:47 |
| RST38h | how is life treating you nowadays? =) | 12:47 |
| thresh | yo | 12:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: meh, deadlines season :) | 12:48 |
| wazd | thresh: o/ | 12:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: ...and then 3 months of calm | 12:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah :) | 12:48 |
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| wazd | RST38h: that keeps me alive :) | 12:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | muhaha gpsjinni... in 'general' screen it shows I'm walking with 4.7-5.2Km/h. that's quite ok - not though the ~784Km/h the 'speed' display shows | 12:52 |
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| wazd | where's VDVsx I wonder :) | 12:56 |
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| wazd | just checked BlueMaemo and was shocked with "waiting for connection" screen :D | 12:57 |
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| rmrfchik | hmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F1 | 13:06 |
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| rmrfchik | ping | 13:30 |
| lcuk | pong | 13:30 |
| rmrfchik | hmm. how to mount a path in dosbox? I can't enter ":" or Ctrl-F1 | 13:31 |
| andre__ | why? | 13:32 |
| rmrfchik | Functional key gives me ` and I have no idea where is F1 ;) | 13:33 |
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| * frals pongs lcuk | 13:36 | |
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| lcuk | yeah frals you have plenty of pong to give | 13:37 |
| lcuk | i suggest you go shower actually ;) | 13:37 |
| frals | :D | 13:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. has qt4 been in rootfs in pr.1.1.1? | 13:43 |
| Shapeshifter | suddenly, I have 30mb free on rootfs after having upgraded to the qt4.6 from the sdk repo. | 13:44 |
| Shapeshifter | as opposed to 12 before | 13:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. yay the new pyside (shiboken) is significantly faster than the old one :) | 14:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ^ which means alarmed starts much more quickly | 14:02 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 14:10 |
| Khertan | to qt maemo dev ... does the kinetic doesn't work the same on qt4.6 than on qt 4.5 ? | 14:10 |
| Khertan | on 4.5 putting on a QTextEdit an attribute FingerScrollable was enought | 14:11 |
| Khertan | but doesn't seems to work on 4.6 | 14:11 |
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| Kaadlajk | Khertan: on 4.6.2 kinetic scrolling should be enabled on default | 14:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... doesn't seems to be the case on QTextedit | 14:13 |
| Khertan | i m just in a "select" mode | 14:13 |
| Arkenoi | seems that $600 is minimal price in Moscow. ~$500 offers are chinese fakes | 14:13 |
| Khertan | in fact i ve just just test.. no select mode too | 14:14 |
| Arkenoi | that's funny because chilese fakes cost $150 or so | 14:14 |
| Khertan | it s just move the cursor | 14:14 |
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| Arkenoi | chinese | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: nice :-) | 14:17 |
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| bullet` | hi everyone | 14:18 |
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| RST38h | moo to whoever I have not mooed yet today | 14:22 |
| bullet` | mooing ? | 14:22 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 14:23 |
| * bullet` mooes to RST38h !! good day :p | 14:23 | |
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| RST38h | heya lcuk | 14:25 |
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| Kaadlajk | Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html says that QTextEdit doesnt have kinetic scrolling enabled on default | 14:26 |
| Kaadlajk | Khertan: http://doc.troll.no/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit.html | 14:26 |
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| achipa | whoa | 14:30 |
| achipa | that first article on maemo.org/news just got very... binary | 14:30 |
| SpeedEvil | huh? | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | achipa: ? | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | A ridiculous race is going on in the world of Smartphones, with each competitor boasting about the number of available apps for his platform. With Apple tal | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 14:32 |
| achipa | yeah | 14:32 |
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| achipa | now click on the link | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 14:33 |
| frals | hehe | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | Ah, wtf. | 14:33 |
| achipa | Oh indeed :) | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | OMG! It's PR1.3! | 14:33 |
| achipa | or the Apple commando :) | 14:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's gzipped | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | but the server is not indicating so | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrrwut? | 14:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/tomch.html - mirror of uncompressed | 14:35 |
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| frals | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 14:37 |
| frals | ~curse Qt | 14:37 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Qt ! | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 13:36 3255 37 37 -201 760 760 760 65535 226 30 0 | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3V255 :-D | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | running my bat flat | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | mine shut down at - I think - 3100 or so | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I hadn't turned GSM off though | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It was saying 6^ RSOC | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | 6% | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | which means 'between EVDF1 and EVDF2 | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well the phone is whining and nagging since >90min now. And I got backlight on all the time | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah! dead | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | diddn't make any noises for me | 14:43 |
| ZogG | wierd my mauku and tweego can't log in | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | dead bme? | 14:43 |
| ZogG | does twitter changed api? | 14:43 |
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| MohammadAG | twitter kicked you | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:43 |
| RST38h | Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg called his first few thousand users "dumb fucks" for trusting him with their data, published IM transcripts show. | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dead battery | 14:43 |
| * RST38h hehes | 14:43 | |
| MohammadAG | maybe they switched to OAuth | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | but that's schedueled for July | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope I'll manage to switch it on again >:-O | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: If you leave it overnight - it seems to get to 32V | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.2V | 14:44 |
| pigeon | on the n900 is it possible to toggle between the mass storage mode and pc suite mode without unplugging the usb cable? | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | nope, sadly | 14:44 |
| pigeon | hmm | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | reboot | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:45 |
| pigeon | ahha! | 14:45 |
| ZogG | <MohammadAG> maybe they switched to OAuth (what are you talking about?) | 14:45 |
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| omar | RST38h, where'd you get that from? | 14:45 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, twitter will switch to OAuth in July | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | tweego uses the API method | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | which will be dumped | 14:47 |
| ZogG | oh | 14:47 |
| ZogG | so it was to me | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | only witter uses OAuth afaik | 14:47 |
| ZogG | anyway it doesn't work =) | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | should be in july | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | http://apiwiki.twitter.com/OAuth-FAQ | 14:48 |
| ZogG | oh, didn't know -thanks | 14:48 |
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| dotblank | check it out... | 15:02 |
| dotblank | just got my client to get song lists from grooveshark | 15:02 |
| dotblank | http://imgur.com/fexMx.png | 15:02 |
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| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52190 -- Awesome... | 15:07 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: no | 15:08 |
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| crashanddie | fair enough | 15:08 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: whats up? | 15:08 |
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| crashanddie | nha, some wanker who was multi-posting on TMO to get up to 5 posts and be able to use the private messages | 15:09 |
| crashanddie | really, I'd call that attempt to spam, but well, texrat deleted the fraudulent messages | 15:09 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: you bunch'o'freaks | 15:10 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: well not you but them... | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | that's what I thought, bitch | 15:10 |
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| chem|st | my mailbox is full with TMO reported posts | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: gmail? | 15:11 |
| chem|st | no | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | ah, fail :) | 15:11 |
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| crashanddie | I had an auto filter that would mark them as read if they were older than 12h, would automatically archive them and label them (removing them from my inbox) | 15:11 |
| chem|st | private server... and full in terms on I open the first page and 50%+ is TMO | 15:12 |
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| chem|st | as Smod I have to look as I cant consider to have reggie doing it all | 15:13 |
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| chem|st | so gotogo | 15:13 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of implementing per-contact ring tones, is there any chance of this being in PR1.2? I can't recollect actually hearing anything about it ... | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Not in my PR1.2 version at least. | 15:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: incredibly unlikely | 15:22 |
| timeless_mbp | so please do implement it | 15:22 |
| alterego | Unlikely for 1.2, but is it in any kind of N900 roadmap | 15:22 |
| alterego | ? | 15:22 |
| dotblank | I know a why | 15:22 |
| dotblank | way* | 15:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: i don't think we have a roadmap | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | alterego: I think most improvements planned are not in the 'phone' part. | 15:22 |
| jaska | call filtering? | 15:22 |
| dotblank | I madea a post about ti.. | 15:23 |
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| alterego | jaska: I've actually got a script that does call filtering already ;) | 15:23 |
| timeless_mbp | or if we have a roadmap it's likely that the roadmap gets changed so often that no one knows what's on it :) | 15:23 |
| dotblank | you make the ringtone a named pipe | 15:23 |
| alterego | Even has a UI, I might work on both of these over the weekend and push to extras | 15:23 |
| jaska | o.O | 15:23 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Interesting :) | 15:23 |
| alterego | dotblank: interesting, good idea, I was thinking a symlink ^.^ | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: We have GPS, but the Amazon Ash Cloud (AC2) is preventing reception from satellite signals | 15:24 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: and well, roadmaps suck. | 15:24 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: awesome | 15:24 |
| dotblank | alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49522 | 15:24 |
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| crashanddie | btw, WTF Nokia? "Even teddy bears need a holiday... in Finland" http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64B2Q920100512?feedType=RSS&feedName=oddlyEnoughNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FoddlyEnoughNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Oddly+Enough%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 15:25 |
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| `0660 | dotblank, pretty cool hack :) | 15:26 |
| dotblank | im working on a grooveshark client right now too | 15:27 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: amazon ash cloud? Look I know amazon.com are assholes - but that they intentionally release ash clouds into the ahmospehere? ;) | 15:27 |
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| crashanddie | Hey, they're an American corporation | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | shitting all over Europe for profit is what they do best | 15:28 |
| zlimvos | uae4all will crash upon trying to run any app :( i have tried 2 kick.roms 1.3 and they look ok | 15:29 |
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| crashanddie | Sometimes it backfires, and you get a European oil corp shitting all over the east coast of the US | 15:29 |
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| crashanddie | but the general rule is that Europe gets the hard stick | 15:29 |
| alterego | Is there a hack to get MfE to use a self-signed cert? | 15:30 |
| alterego | Can I just download it and stick it in some directory somewhere? | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | erhm | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | self-signed cert as in server is self-signed? | 15:30 |
| alterego | yes | 15:30 |
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| crashanddie | put your self-signed CA in the trusted Root certs? | 15:31 |
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| crashanddie | ohh, did I just baffle you? | 15:32 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: :D | 15:32 |
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| crashanddie | hmm, just got declined for 2 jobs canonical, still 4 applications pending with them | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie | though I was told by an insider "Don't even expect a response, if you don't hear anything after 2 weeks, move on" | 15:35 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: do you know where the certs are stored? | 15:35 |
| crashanddie | so I don't if that means my candidacies were so bad they felt they had to reply, or so good that I just missed it. | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | alterego: settings > certificates | 15:36 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: adding it to there will get MfE to accept it? | 15:36 |
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| crashanddie | s/don't/don't know/ | 15:36 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: do you understand how PKI works? | 15:36 |
| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; Run into a slight problem with the translation selection, when in "Select preferred source for English", both 'Default' and 'Native Speaker' are displayed as 'current' and I get the default Nokia English instead of your translations. | 15:37 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I don't know what PKI is if that's what you mean :P | 15:37 |
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| crashanddie | meh | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to have breakfast, later | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | alterego: help yourself: google.com | 15:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: yeah | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | something is broken, i'll try to fix it on sunday :( | 15:41 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're using .1, you can try using <dotless>, i think it's working a bit better | 15:41 |
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| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; okey, I can live with the Nokia English this weekend, though you had some config file where I could remove the "default" from | 15:47 |
| timeless_mbp | not easily | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | you could cheat | 15:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | if you renamed /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.backup | 15:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and then made a symlink or something from /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.1 to /opt/maemo/usr/share/locale/en_GB.0 | 15:49 |
| timeless_mbp | (roughly) | 15:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | although perhaps a copy is better than a symlink | 15:49 |
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| TriztFromWork | okey, that was kind of the solution I was thinking about yesterday. I think I'll wait instead, or else I just forget to rename the direcotry lateron | 15:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | keep in mind that *.0 gets overwritten as part of a backup process and .1/.2 get overwritten as part of the deb update process | 15:57 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the iPhone's 1 button is multifunctional | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (so you kinda want to replace .0 and <undotted> with .1 at the same time | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (a symlink could actually be very bad) | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | one click takes you to the homescreen, 2 to the phone, 3 to accessibility options | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | might be useful for camkeyd | 15:58 |
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| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; I'll try to remember to not use symlink if I do that hack | 16:01 |
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| alterego | scht | 16:18 |
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| alterego | My device rebooted whilst I was attempting to setup MfE, now it's got itself into a state where it thinks the wizard dialog is already opened when it isn't. | 16:19 |
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| korhojoa | hey guys, would it be possible to stream from the camera with vlc and v4l? | 16:28 |
| korhojoa | that'd be pretty awesome if i could get it to work | 16:28 |
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| GAN900 | korhojoa, yes. | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | now where can i get vlc, can't seem to find it in the repos | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | Qole's repo | 16:32 |
| korhojoa | do you have a line for that? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | sec | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | deb http://qole.org/repository maemo fremantle | 16:33 |
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| korhojoa | thanks | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | np | 16:34 |
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| korhojoa | damn. how do you enter that in the app manager? | 16:35 |
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| korhojoa | weird. it's like 27 degrees here | 16:38 |
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| korhojoa | at this time of year. in finland. | 16:38 |
| korhojoa | jebus. | 16:38 |
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| TriztFromWork | korhojoa; here it's just 11 degrees... and this is just the crap west of you | 16:46 |
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| korhojoa | TriztFromWork: :D hah. ert väder suger! | 16:49 |
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| TriztFromWork | korhojoa; :) kyllä se niin on | 16:50 |
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| hawai`i | Left my N900 with about 90% battery, MSN and email over EDGE for 8 hours last night | 16:54 |
| hawai`i | Woke up to 68% battery. My new voltage table is BOMBDIGGITY | 16:55 |
| frals | so err | 16:55 |
| frals | http://mms.frals.se/dialog/pretty.png vs http://mms.frals.se/dialog/functional.png | 16:55 |
| frals | which one should i use | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | pretty! | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | sec | 16:55 |
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| hawai`i | frals: Pretty | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 16:56 |
| hawai`i | Or | 16:56 |
| frals | i changed the entries like you suggested, problem is MMSC doesnt fit on screen without scrolling | 16:56 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: that's expected behavior for fremantle | 16:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'd move the MMSC abve the proxy stuff | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, tbh I don't like the pretty one a lot, BUT you could make the ip one shorter and make the port txt box next to it | 16:57 |
| lcuk | frals, where have you moved MMSC to? | 16:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: "offscreen down, see invisible scrollbar indicator" | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, he has to scroll from what I understand | 16:57 |
| frals | lcuk: need to scroll to see it in the pretty one :< | 16:57 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: anyway, move the MMSC above Proxy | 16:58 |
| lcuk | doh timeless_mbp how could i miss the invisible scrollbar *rolleyes* ;) | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: take your rolling eyes to someone who can fix it! | 16:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | you almost certainly have better access now than i do | 16:58 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: good point, that i can do | 16:58 |
| lcuk | i would technically move it above username | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | i would move the port number next to the IP | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, yeah lcuk's right, APN, MMSC, User, Pass, Proxy, Port | 16:58 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, yeah i know, i rolleyes whenever hidden ux is discussed ;) | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | xx.xx.xx.xx:port | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG_: proxy could be a host instead of a port | 16:59 |
| lcuk | thats a nice one timeless | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | err s/port/ip/ | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | so move the text box next to it | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | a combined field for ip/port | 16:59 |
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| hawai`i | host:port | 16:59 |
| lcuk | errr both on same line | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | just a "ux" change | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem w/ combined things is that you're assuming users know how to enter that | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | this isn't likely | 16:59 |
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| hawai`i | Use the label to tell them | 16:59 |
| hawai`i | : is the field separator | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Proxy:Port ? | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | as a label? | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's not what i meant | 17:00 |
| hawai`i | Yes | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | do you think that'll work? | 17:00 |
| hawai`i | Then 2 separate dialog boxes | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | hawai`i: that's where we started =b | 17:00 |
| hawai`i | timeless_mbp: I think you'd have to be a complete moron not to understand that. | 17:00 |
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| hawai`i | haha | 17:00 |
| hawai`i | Ah I see | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | hawai`i: the majority of people are | 17:00 |
| frals | yeah not gonna combine them based on my experience with users filling in fields | 17:00 |
| hawai`i | This is true. | 17:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | what you could do is make tapping the proxy field pop up a dialog asking for both | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | if you really want to "save space" | 17:01 |
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| muelli | hm. can one have only two profiles on the N900? | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | muelli: no | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | the ui only exposes two profiles | 17:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | the backend doesn't care | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (users are simpletons, profiles are confusing) | 17:02 |
| satmd | maybe | 17:02 |
| muelli | timeless_mbp: hm. Which translates to two profiles only -.- | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpeltons | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | s/pel/ple/ | 17:02 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: oh, and more importantly, the ui designers are simpletons | 17:02 |
| satmd | I agree | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | or were, they don't exist anymore | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | trying to design a good ui for profiles is hard | 17:03 |
| aquatix | they've been... eliminated? | 17:03 |
| hawai`i | Not really. | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'd actually rather the ui team screw up w/ 2 profiles than screw up an editor | 17:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | this way the deficiency is obvious and a third party can see a need and fill it | 17:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | just as frals saw a need for fMMS and wrote it | 17:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | and is taking feedback from people and customers and iterating to improve his product | 17:04 |
| aquatix | true | 17:04 |
| hawai`i | it's a 2 edged sword. | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, any of you are invited to do profiles right | 17:04 |
| aquatix | 3rd party solution might be best | 17:04 |
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| hawai`i | We have the power to do it | 17:04 |
| timeless_mbp | keep in mind that i've actually written ~4 control panels for maemo/mer | 17:04 |
| aquatix | a bit like Locale or Timeriffic do on Android | 17:05 |
| hawai`i | but it shouldn't be due to that, that things are less out. | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and have helped people w/ various other things | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | hawai`i: =~ s/less/left/ ? | 17:05 |
| hawai`i | Yes. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | Strangers in the moo... | 17:05 |
| hawai`i | Trying to eat some breakfast and write some scripts at the same time | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, was thinking of something like this http://i43.tinypic.com/mwzfco.jpg | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | back to the N900 | 17:06 |
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| hawai`i | You could then slim down the box heights | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | which would bring him back to the functional one | 17:07 |
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| hawai`i | Not completely | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Each to their own :) Moving the port next to the IP is the cleanest method to use consistent UX | 17:08 |
| hawai`i | I agree, kind sir. | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | :) | 17:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | tbh I never thought of the consistency UX till people started complaining | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | s/cy/t | 17:09 |
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| hawai`i | You're so beautiful, you could be a part-time model. | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG_ | guess it's time for hawai`i's pills again | 17:12 |
| hawai`i | nooo but I don't want them! | 17:12 |
| aquatix | and i just was feeling flattered | 17:12 |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: interesting idea :) | 17:14 |
| frals | anyone here using fMMS and on DNA .fi btw? :/ | 17:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: a colleague said "well, regressed in harmattan, is there a shirt for that?" | 17:20 |
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| * SpeedEvil is chargin' his laz0r. | 17:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | s/laz0r/n900/ | 17:21 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs BME. | 17:21 | |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp eep | 17:22 |
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| GAN900 | frals, did I ever ask you if fMMS would be feasible as a plugin? | 17:26 |
| frals | plugin for conversations? | 17:26 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 17:27 |
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| GAN900 | Since having a whole app for it is kinda clunky. | 17:27 |
| frals | well, if someone is mad enough to do it he can feel free, im not going to thou | 17:27 |
| frals | ive talked to some people with knowledge in the area and they advised against it as well | 17:27 |
| lcuk | GAN900, one step at a time - to insert into conversations it would need a whole lot more | 17:28 |
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| GAN900 | Too bad | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | Hooray for Nokia's useless plugin interfaces. | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | "If we make this impossible, nobody will want to waste their time trying to do it and asking us questions!" | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | "We don't have to do docs, either!" | 17:31 |
| RST38h | Can't have useful plugin interfaces if people do not use and review them | 17:31 |
| lcuk | GAN900, they give you a plugin system | 17:31 |
| RST38h | (example: stdio vs iostreams) | 17:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, apparently it's unusable | 17:32 |
| tybollt | yes frals | 17:32 |
| GAN900 | So, might as well not have one. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | no, no, there is a line in "deliverables" to be checked | 17:33 |
| tybollt | if you get fmms to work asa plugin | 17:33 |
| tybollt | -> FRALS FOR PREZ | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | Clearly not a good way to go about doing things if the only people shipping plugins are Collabora, luck. :) | 17:33 |
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| RST38h | well to be fair there are other people besides collabora... | 17:33 |
| RST38h | the -haze guy is not from collabora, right? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | GAN900, the plugins are for backend providers afaik, nothing to do with front end ui. is there a system anywhere that could do as you think is possible | 17:34 |
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| frals | fwiw its probably doable | 17:36 |
| zaheerm | telepathy is around for more than just maemo, and there is more than just collabora using it and making backends for it | 17:36 |
| frals | but like, from my pov i dont see it as worthwhile to spend time on atm as there is plenty other stuff to fix | 17:37 |
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| frals | also easier changing a no to yes then a yes to a no ;-) | 17:37 |
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| tybollt | frals: fwiw FRALS FOR PREZ is also probably doable... especially w/ such stolpskott as Toiblerone Sahlin that is aspiring for it :) | 17:38 |
| zash | what | 17:39 |
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| GAN900 | zaheerm, yes, but Conversations? | 17:41 |
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| zaheerm | GAN900, the plugins there are just account plugins no? the majority of the code needed is as telepathy connection managers and the like | 17:43 |
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| GAN900 | I'd love to see a sane way to provide new services in Conversations | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | If Nokia's going to ship a centralized communications area, it should be able to be extended easily. | 17:45 |
| zlimvos | anyone might have a clue why uae4all will crash on all applications? even the ones confirmed working with n900 | 17:47 |
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| Mbere | hmmmm | 17:48 |
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| zlimvos | e-uae will at least try (and fail) | 17:49 |
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| chadi | hello guys. On the N900, is there a way to prevent the cam from starting when the lens is opened? | 17:54 |
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| jacekowski | chadi: glue | 17:54 |
| Mbere | glue? | 17:55 |
| chadi | is that an app? | 17:55 |
| jacekowski | chadi: depends, you can either hack software or hardware | 17:55 |
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| jacekowski | chadi: piece of black tape on sensor would do the job | 17:55 |
| chadi | I thought it was implemented already | 17:55 |
| chadi | expected the feature to be available in tweakr, but it wasn't | 17:55 |
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| E0x | chadi: install tweakr | 17:55 |
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| E0x | tweakr hava that feature | 17:56 |
| chadi | E0x it says: opening lens unlocks device | 17:56 |
| E0x | oh | 17:56 |
| E0x | true | 17:57 |
| Mbere | are we there yet? | 17:57 |
| chadi | the main reason why I'm asking is that I use the lens for the flashlight app most of the time, I rarely take photos | 17:57 |
| chadi | somebody must have done that! | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's difficult | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I looked into it, but was too much effort to even figure out how you could tackle it | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | chadi: The problem is the infrastructure around that is closed. | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce closed, camera-gui closed | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, it's magnetic. | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | and stupid non-configurable. | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: no | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, oh? | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: it's not magnetic | 18:01 |
| chadi | oh, too bad :/ | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: it's light sensor | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: take your cover off | 18:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | chadi: It looks like - from a preliminary look - it would need wrapping the camera app at least in a wrapper, that pretends to be it. | 18:01 |
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| jacekowski | GAN900: and look at it fro inside | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IR reflective active sensor | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: when you close cover and open it | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | Ah, IR, I see it. | 18:01 |
| GAN900 | Nevermind, then. | 18:02 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: and you will see white and black squares | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I consider the easier way to be to write a kernel driver for the flashlight LEDs, expose it as a LED class device. | 18:02 |
| jacekowski | piece of black tape will do | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Then tell the video4linux device how to use that | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: basically a second proximity sensor | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | and then drill two holes in the camera cover, and fill with clear plastic. | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, I see it. :P | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | So you can just turn on the flashlight without opening the shutter. | 18:03 |
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| chadi | was hoping for a solution via software | 18:12 |
| chadi | i hate the fact that a lot of important features of maemo aren't open source :/ | 18:12 |
| mikki-kun | hm, anybody an idea how i can get a dump of all the packages currently installed on my sys? | 18:13 |
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| mikki-kun | i am not that familiar with apt | 18:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | chadi: Well - see above | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - apart from the drilling holes bits. | 18:14 |
| chadi | yeah I did | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | dpkg -l , mikki-kun | 18:16 |
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| alterego | Seems slightly over engineered using an IR sensor to detect the camera slide open ^.^ | 18:16 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, it's a totally different command then... that's i can't find it anywhere in the mans | 18:16 |
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| Khertan_Home | hi | 18:17 |
| Khertan_Home | someone know if there is a documentation somewhere with the specificities of using qt 4.6 on maemo ? | 18:18 |
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| Khertan_Home | i mean something like how to use autorotate ... the stacked window ... the kinetic scrolling ? | 18:19 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: by specifics? Do you mean the Qt mobility API? | 18:19 |
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| Khertan_Home | i ve start writting my code with pyqt (qt 4.5) ... and now i ve many things to change, scrolling didn't work ... stacked windows too | 18:20 |
| Khertan_Home | alterego, nope ... standart things | 18:20 |
| Khertan_Home | or maybe autorotate are in the qt mobility api ? | 18:20 |
| hawai`i | Can somebody send me the default phone icon? | 18:20 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: I don't think there is anything Maemo specific :/ | 18:21 |
| alterego | Documentation wise that is .. | 18:21 |
| alterego | I've just been picking little bits up here and there. | 18:21 |
| alterego | autorotate is a window hint I believe. | 18:21 |
| Lynoure | Khertan_Home: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt/Finger_Scrolling for example, the info is here and there | 18:21 |
| mece | Khertan_home, we just fixed that for noobmonk3y, I forget where I found the references | 18:22 |
| alterego | Which you should be able to see in the lates Nokia SDK Qt Creator UI designer | 18:22 |
| mece | Khertan_home, ah yeas. Here's the stacked windows: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html | 18:22 |
| Khertan_Home | setProperty("FingerScrollable", true); <<< doesn't seems to work on qt4.6 | 18:22 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html | 18:23 |
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| mece | Khertan_home, here: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ | 18:23 |
| Khertan_Home | alterego, thx | 18:23 |
| alterego | That looks useful .. Without the stacked windows bit :) | 18:23 |
| mece | maemo specifics | 18:23 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, thx | 18:23 |
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| alterego | Looks like I'm gonna have a fun weekend :) | 18:24 |
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| Khertan_Home | for example also, i didn't found on http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/ how to disable the auto capitalization | 18:24 |
| Khertan_Home | on a QTextEdit | 18:24 |
| alterego | That's an input hint | 18:24 |
| Lynoure | Khertan_Home: I have not actually tried that yet. Are you setting it on something that uses QAbstractScrollArea? | 18:24 |
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| alterego | Hang on I'll just get that. | 18:24 |
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| Khertan_Home | Lynoure, didn't remember ... i just know that i ve try under qt4.5 .. it was working | 18:25 |
| Khertan_Home | it s not under qt4.6 | 18:25 |
| Khertan_Home | and as i 'm a qt beginner | 18:25 |
| Khertan_Home | i ve got some difficulty :) | 18:25 |
| Khertan_Home | i ve got some difficulties :) | 18:25 |
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| Khertan_Home | last source is available here : http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master | 18:26 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 18:26 |
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| Khertan_Home | Lynoure, my QTextEdit is in a QFrame | 18:27 |
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| Khertan_Home | which is set in the QMainWindow with a setCentralWidget() | 18:28 |
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| alterego | Khertan_Home: QWidget::inputMethodHints | 18:29 |
| mikki-kun | doesn't the media player of the n900 use gstreamer for playing media? | 18:29 |
| alterego | You've got loads of cool IM stuff in there :) | 18:29 |
| Khertan_Home | alterego, thanks i ll look | 18:30 |
| Lynoure | Khertan_Home: I don't think I have used QFrames myself, so cannot say if it affects that in some way | 18:31 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: I was being lazy, here you go ;) : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/qwidget.html#inputMethodHints-prop | 18:31 |
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| alterego | And that's the maemo-4.6 docs too, so it should be in there ;) (hopefully) | 18:32 |
| Khertan_Home | Lynoure, in fact i'm not sure i use it the right way, but i assume that as it was working in qt4.5 ... it should in qt4.6, isn't it ? | 18:32 |
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| Khertan_Home | alterego, thx i was looking in the doc :) | 18:32 |
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| * Khertan_Home prefer the simple gtk documentation :) | 18:33 | |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: so you working with qt4.6 now? | 18:33 |
| Lynoure | Khertan_Home: Would not be surprised if some things work differently | 18:33 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, yep :) | 18:33 |
| Khertan_Home | Lynoure, yep :) | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: how hard to set up? | 18:33 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, easy in fact | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: did you blog about it? | 18:34 |
| Khertan_Home | i ve installed the fremantle sdk repository | 18:34 |
| Khertan_Home | apt install | 18:34 |
| Khertan_Home | et hop ! | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: blog about it :P | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: and put it on maemo planet | 18:34 |
| Khertan_Home | (and remove the sdk repository after to avoid problems) | 18:34 |
| Khertan_Home | i think i ve see someone already put the informations somewhere | 18:34 |
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| Khertan_Home | let me found it | 18:35 |
| frals | crashanddie: there was a post about it yesterday or smth about it iirc | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: yes, but you need to do it too | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: information duplication = revelation | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: you are my Bible, I only trust information coming from you | 18:36 |
| redeeman | strange, the double directory entries bug just went away for me | 18:36 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, lol | 18:36 |
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| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=654370 <<- | 18:36 |
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| Khertan_Home | exactly the same way i did it | 18:37 |
| Khertan_Home | but after activate extras deval | 18:37 |
| Khertan_Home | but after activate extras devel | 18:37 |
| Khertan_Home | and made an upgrade of pyqt | 18:37 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 18:37 |
| Khertan_Home | yep i ll try to made news about it | 18:37 |
| Lynoure | Starting to use Qt4.6 was indeed quite straightforward | 18:37 |
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| Khertan_Home | but before i need to found why maemo.org/planete didn't read anymore my rss feed | 18:38 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: ask X-Fade about it | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: X-Fade probably doesn't like you and banned you from the feed :P | 18:38 |
| Khertan_Home | Lynoure, depends if you are coding on device or with the sdk | 18:38 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: you used apt-get? I just installed the packagers manually. Also, you're using PySide? or PyQt? | 18:38 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, haha ... no i ll not disturb x-fade with that he has better things to do ... and he didn't banned me ... | 18:39 |
| Lynoure | Khertan_Home: coding on the pc, using the result in the device, in my case. | 18:39 |
| Khertan_Home | i switch from wordpress to my own system | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: t'as bu? Ton anglais est pire que d'habitude. Mal dormis? | 18:39 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, hum the both | 18:40 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 18:40 |
| crashanddie | fair enough | 18:40 |
| Khertan_Home | crashanddie, http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/trees/master < the project i'm working on | 18:41 |
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| Khertan_Home | the line number isn't well implemented | 18:41 |
| Khertan_Home | i need to refine the thing | 18:41 |
| * Khertan_Home use now gitorious and like it ! | 18:42 | |
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| luke-jr | I just wish gitorious had repo.or.cz's UI somewhere | 18:42 |
| alterego | Has anyone looked at building the "Harmatten UI framework"? | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_Home: nice | 18:43 |
| Khertan_Home | not really so nice currently ... it s just a prototype | 18:43 |
| Khertan_Home | luke-jr, ? | 18:44 |
| muelli | Can my root password not exceed a number of characters? Mine is pretty long but apparently it doesn't really matter which characters I type in last... | 18:44 |
| luke-jr | Khertan_Home: I like that UI repo.or.cz uses | 18:44 |
| Khertan_Home | luke-jr, ouch ? really ? | 18:45 |
| luke-jr | yes | 18:45 |
| Khertan_Home | i prefer the gitorious one... | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: roc has become so slow it's unusable | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it was fine when they hosted about 200 projects, but it's seriously unusable now | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | you can't actually browse any projects anymore. Unless you know the name, you're stuffed | 18:45 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: ok... yet more reason to get the UI moved to gitorious? :p | 18:45 |
| luke-jr | well, don't care for browsing | 18:46 |
| luke-jr | just the interface to git | 18:46 |
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| crashanddie | what interface? | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | Browsing the different heads, being able to download specific revisions? | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | git web interface version 1.6.5.GIT, (C) 2005-2006, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, Christian Gierke | 18:47 |
| luke-jr | eg http://repo.or.cz/w/git/ljr.git | 18:47 |
| Khertan_Home | Sebastian Lauwers started watching khteditor/khteditor < héhé | 18:48 |
| crashanddie | :) | 18:48 |
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| * Khertan_Home is happy he has made his first contribution to meego wiki ! | 18:51 | |
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| lcuk | Khertan_Home, writing "Khertan was ere" in 72 point font on the front page could be considered a contribution, whether or not it will remain is another matter ;) | 18:53 |
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| dneary | andre about? | 18:54 |
| dneary | lcuk, how're things? | 18:54 |
| lcuk | dneary, good thanks, i can see some things better now than ever. yourself? | 18:55 |
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| Khertan_Home | lcuk, lol | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: better than ever? | 18:56 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: new pair of glasses? Surgery? | 18:56 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk, my contribution was on : http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 18:56 |
| dneary | lcuk, Good | 18:57 |
| Khertan_Home | and testing a builded 0.9 meego image on a netbook samsung n130 | 18:57 |
| Khertan_Home | ;) | 18:57 |
| * Khertan_Home must go on | 18:57 | |
| Khertan_Home | bye | 18:57 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, just wiped my monitor. i actually meant ive had time to digest last few months work | 18:57 |
| Khertan_Home | or see you later :) | 18:57 |
| dneary | Not sure how I feel about being treated by Jarmo as an incompetent; | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: ah, lol :) | 18:57 |
| crashanddie | dneary: what's his reasoning? | 18:57 |
| dneary | crashanddie, You haven't been following the "importing docs into the wiki" thread? | 18:58 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 19:00 |
| crashanddie | just read up on it | 19:01 |
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| crashanddie | I feel it's more ignorance on his part speaking than anything else, he seems to be make an amalgam of yourself, and all the sysadmins into "this current guy", without paying attention to details | 19:02 |
| crashanddie | What's his role inside Nokia, and why is he being purposefully thick about this? | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | dneary, which ML | 19:04 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: maemo-community | 19:04 |
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| dneary | lcuk: maemo-community | 19:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: read about it here: https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1#inbox | 19:09 |
| dneary | crashanddie, He was the guy who dealt with official developer documentation, and with all subcontractors who worked on it | 19:09 |
| dneary | And there is a history of this kind of conversation with Jarmo | 19:09 |
| lcuk | thanks - im on it here http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004271.html | 19:09 |
| crashanddie | so really he should be aware of the processes? | 19:10 |
| * lcuk unsubscribed from -community a while ago for some reason or other | 19:10 | |
| dneary | lcuk: That's where it starts getting nice | 19:10 |
| dneary | crashanddie, He doesn't really understand "the community" | 19:10 |
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| * lcuk cant remember why actually | 19:10 | |
| dneary | He has some idea of things in his head, but he is still stuck in the traditional "I work, and people will like what I do, or else" | 19:11 |
| dneary | mindset | 19:11 |
| dneary | lcuk: Probably a long meandering thread that didn't interest you? | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | welcome to Uni Corp | 19:11 |
| dneary | We tend to get some of those | 19:11 |
| lcuk | dneary, it would have to be really long, i think some other reason - gmail is good at folding things up normally | 19:11 |
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| dneary | lcuk: Finished? | 19:16 |
| lcuk | An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list | 19:17 |
| lcuk | maemo-community@maemo.org. You are already subscribed to this mailing list. | 19:17 |
| lcuk | yes dneary i think so but i couldnt find the very start of it | 19:17 |
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| dneary | hi amigadave | 19:19 |
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| dneary | lcuk: This (and the following) is where it gets a bit nasty. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2010-May/004300.html | 19:19 |
| amigadave | hi dneary | 19:20 |
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| chadi | where is this abill_uk engineer? | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | he's an engineer | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | ? | 19:23 |
| hawai`i | Glad he's not here. | 19:23 |
| Shapeshifter | well. now my free space jumped to 40mb | 19:23 |
| chadi | I don't know if he is, someone always calls him an engineer as irony. | 19:23 |
| chadi | hawai`i: indeed, haha | 19:24 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Have you seen aklapper today? | 19:27 |
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| amigadave | dneary: not today, but i think that he will be around tomorrow | 19:27 |
| crashanddie | chadi: probably in the UK? | 19:28 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Do you think it's better to announce a revamped wiki gardeners group straight away, or to wait until a bugzilla product for docs exists and use that for our TODO list, and get that initialised first | 19:28 |
| amigadave | dneary: i would say hold off until the bugzilla product is there | 19:29 |
| amigadave | just ping andre when he is around and it should be a quick process | 19:29 |
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| dneary | ok | 19:29 |
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| dneary | If you're around tomorrow & see him, would you mind reminding him for me? Otherwise, I'll try to catch him on Monday | 19:30 |
| amigadave | dneary: sure, no problem | 19:30 |
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| dneary | kewl | 19:32 |
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| dneary | Paperwork calls... :( | 19:32 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Have you seen this? Interesting stuff: http://www.scribd.com/doc/17759504/Free-Chapter-Conversation-and-Community | 19:49 |
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| amigadave | dneary: too wordy for me, but i have now bookmarked it :) | 19:52 |
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| dneary | It looks like a must-have book - a technical writer explaining how to do it in the open, as a community, without getting shit out the other end | 19:53 |
| dneary | I've just ordered the book | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | maybe recommendable for townxelliot too, he made some quite decent style guides for the meego stuff | 19:54 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Done already ;) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, good | 19:55 |
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| dneary | in the meego forum threads about developer documentation | 19:56 |
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| dneary | amigadave, You might appreciate an interview of the author? http://www.redmonk.com/cote/2010/05/13/makeall004/ | 19:57 |
| amigadave | dneary: thanks, i will check it out | 19:58 |
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| BCMM | i am considering buying a second n900 battery | 20:00 |
| tripzero | do et! | 20:00 |
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| tripzero | i should buy one too | 20:00 |
| tripzero | they are pretty cheap | 20:00 |
| BCMM | how does one identify a genuine one, and am i right in thinking that third party higher-capacity ones are a bad idea? | 20:01 |
| hawai`i | get it from a reputable retailer. | 20:01 |
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| tybollt | BCMM: One of the blokes around here has the fat battery | 20:01 |
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| BCMM | i didn't mean the oversized ones, i meant stuff like this somewhat sketchy thing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGH-CAP-GOLD-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-5800-XPRESSMUSIC_W0QQitemZ320412723818QQcategoryZ20365QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo=MW&its=C&itu=UCC&otn=5&ps=63&clkid=8539936376393060248 | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: do you have some books you recommend generally re communities, ideally re open source development | 20:02 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Yes | 20:02 |
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| BCMM | also, what about third-party battery chargers? are they safe? | 20:02 |
| dneary | There's the bible, of course: http://producingoss.com/ | 20:02 |
| BCMM | i was looking at this one: http://www.eastmaze.com/BL-5J-Desktop-Battery-Charger-for-Nokia-5800-Comes-With-Music-p904.html?tkid=16¤cy=GBP | 20:03 |
| yigal | where is the repos for the community SSU? | 20:03 |
| hawai`i | BCMM: Don't buy it off eBay. | 20:03 |
| yigal | for n8X0 | 20:03 |
| BCMM | (i presume the power supply it wants is an old-style nokia one, of which i have several) | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | hawai'i why? | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | i got mine from ebay | 20:03 |
| hawai`i | MohammadAG: Very hard to find legit batteries on eBay. | 20:04 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, And I *really* like this, as a general "managing people" book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?mode=blended&search-alias=aps&tag=gnomesearchplugin-uk-21&field-keywords=peopleware | 20:04 |
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| BCMM | i was indeed going to avoid ebay | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | that's a desktop charger (?) | 20:04 |
| dneary | Then there are the more general social media books like Here comes Everybody, or The Tipping Point | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:04 |
| dneary | (well, social media/social phenomenon) | 20:04 |
| hawai`i | I was referring to batteries, MohammadAG. | 20:04 |
| jacekowski | pr1.2? | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG | oh ok | 20:05 |
| dneary | But as documents to inform technology or community process choices, they're not so helpful | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | i've been meaning to get more into it - touchdd social computing from a academic angle a bit during studies | 20:05 |
| hawai`i | I bought my desktop charger off eBay, works fine. | 20:05 |
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| jacekowski | i just saw ad on polish version of digg.com that there is free sat nav in any nokia phone | 20:05 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, If you start with those four, you're on the right track | 20:05 |
| hawai`i | It's actually a BP-4L charger, I just balance the BL5J in it. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:05 |
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| yigal | what is the apt repos for maemo's community SSU for n8x0? | 20:06 |
| BCMM | what about third-party batteries that aren't pretending to be made by nokia? are they a bad idea to? | 20:06 |
| dneary | I have read Jono's book, and it is a useful contribution, but not as valuable (IMHO) as Karl's book | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | best thing about maemo.org, can claim it as a expense of my company / my company activities | 20:06 |
| dneary | ("The Art of Community") | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:06 |
| dneary | But definitely, Peopleware, great book | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | will probably order them tonight then | 20:07 |
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| dneary | I just recently came across a site I think could be very useful too: "Uncommon Schools" | 20:07 |
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| dneary | It seems sometimes like our goal (as the paid guys) is to be like teachers in new-age schools, guiding student's efforts to learn on their own, and ensuring a productive work environment | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | blah. | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | I hate mornings | 20:08 |
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| dneary | (that doesn't quite sound right, but I've definitely noticed some teaching issues when dealing with free software communities) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:09 |
| BCMM | so: third-party chargers OK, third-party batteries scary? | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, some of them yes (chargers) | 20:12 |
| BCMM | hmm, some website have a photo of an actual nokia battery that says "reference only", and some small print saying "non-oem" | 20:12 |
| b0unc3 | hey guys, is the autobuilder working? | 20:13 |
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| ShadowJK | bcmm: third party desktop chargers: dubious at best | 20:14 |
| BCMM | ShadowJK: how come? | 20:14 |
| BCMM | and is there a nokia one? | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | third party powersupplies (things you connect to phone): less bad | 20:14 |
| ShadowJK | bcmm: the cheap external/desktop chargers are usually flawed by design | 20:15 |
| BCMM | ShadowJK: how? | 20:15 |
| BCMM | do they not detect fully-charged batteries? | 20:15 |
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| BCMM | also, is there an official external charger? | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | A real charger chip costs like a dollar, a constant-current generator and a emergency battery cutoff chip costs about 0.20 dollars | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | the constant current charging would explode the battery | 20:16 |
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| BCMM | ShadowJK: do you know of one which won't blow up the battery? | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | the protection circuit is meant for last-resort protection and isn't rated for repeated use.. | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | No, I don't | 20:17 |
| yabba | b0unc3, I got my soft trought it just a while ago. | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: Get a spare n900 to charge battery. | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | well in all likelyhood they wont blow up your battery | 20:17 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: heh | 20:17 |
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| BCMM | "Built-in smart chip recognizes a full charge and automatically switch to a save-mode." - could still refer to an emergency cutoff? | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | but they can reduce the useful lifespan of the battery if the thresholds are wide | 20:18 |
| BCMM | (yes, i know it could just be a lie) | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | is that about a battery? if so it's a lie | 20:18 |
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| BCMM | ShadowJK: no, i charger | 20:18 |
| BCMM | i know that would make no sense for a battery | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't seen any of the emergency chips which have any failure mode I can think of in protection mode. | 20:19 |
| BCMM | bah, why doesn't nokia make one? | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Any failure due to being cycled often | 20:19 |
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| BCMM | ok, since none are ideal: has anybody here had a bl-5j battery charger for a while and not blown anything up with it | 20:20 |
| BCMM | and if so, where did it come from? | 20:20 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, mine cuts off the current when the battery is full | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | and it uses the original nokia 2mm charger | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | did you measure that? :) | 20:22 |
| BCMM | there are two common nokia chargers before the microusb ones, right? | 20:22 |
| BCMM | which one was the 3410 charger? | 20:22 |
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| BCMM | i have a surprising number of those around | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yes, it stops charging | 20:23 |
| BCMM | (and it's awesome that the n900 comes with an adaptor) | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | the 2mm to usb one which might burn your house down? :P | 20:24 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: the adaptor that comes in the n900 box burns houses down? | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | it overheats, and in some cases melts | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | I used it with a car charger and always had it stuck to the Air C. | 20:25 |
| BCMM | i shall avoid it then... | 20:25 |
| BCMM | aren't cig lighter-USB adaptors really cheap anyway | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if all of them work | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 doesn't work with "dumb" chargers | 20:26 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: eh? | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | I just use a 12V to 240V converter | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | (and the charger will prolly downstep that to 12V again, which is stupid) | 20:27 |
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| BCMM | last time it was mentioned here, somebody said that "dumb" usb chargers can short two of the USB pins to indicate that they are dumb | 20:28 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: the n900 doesn't respect that? | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | you can connect the D+ to D- and it should charge | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | solder them | 20:28 |
| BCMM | (i presume that by "dumb", you mean that it just provides power rather than an actual USB bus?) | 20:29 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: well, i was presuming that since a bunch of things use that standard now (including the annoyingly influential iphone), such chargers already have those shorted | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | some still don't :) | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | the ZaggSparq 1.0 for example | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | (not sure about the 2.0) | 20:30 |
| yigal | Stskeeps: I can't find or where i can get the community ssu installer, is the info. in here? http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=30648 | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes | 20:31 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: to which bit? (sorry) | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: This wasn't the case as soon ago as a couple of years trhough | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: shorted | 20:31 |
| BCMM | ah, good | 20:31 |
| BCMM | actually, the iphone's effect on some things has been kinda nice | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | the zaggsparq is a year old afaik | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it took away most annoying users | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:31 |
| BCMM | web pages making fewer assumptions about screen resolution and using less flash for a start | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | and more HTML5 | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | i'm kind of stumped that flash 10 isn't coming | 20:32 |
| yabba | Stupid question, but if I load newer version of packages to the autobuilder (I use Extras assistant) will it remove older one? (There is now pykake 0.5.0-1 and I want to load pykake 0.5.0-2 in it.) | 20:32 |
| yabba | *upload | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | yes, the autocleaner will purge it | 20:33 |
| yabba | Ok, thanks :) | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | np :) | 20:33 |
| yigal | Stskeeps: got it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649557 | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | check a maemo.org/packages package page | 20:33 |
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| frals | so err, extras-devel free source package.. if theres a .so file in there without any source thats like, bad? | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | umm yeah? | 20:43 |
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| frals | \callnotify-0.1.0\src\usr\lib\hildon-control-panel | 20:44 |
| jjmontes | hi, anyone aware of a problem with avahi-daemon requiring upstart? | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | frals, contact him about it | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | that's basically just building a deb | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | cool | 20:45 |
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| MohammadAG | jjmontes, I fixed that, but it seems broken from the start, disable devel and install it | 20:45 |
| lcuk | protect me from @teebee76 | 20:46 |
| frals | teebee76 aka the misses? :D | 20:46 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:46 |
| lcuk | she somehow thinks i drunk her vimto o_O | 20:46 |
| jjmontes | MohammadAG, thanks, will try now | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | I recon it's time for coffee | 20:46 |
| Myrtti | I want vimto too | 20:46 |
| jjmontes | but I don't have upstart anyway... should I have it? | 20:46 |
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| chadi | if i have the source of an application, can I compile and install it on the SDK thing that I installed on ubuntu? I think it's called Xephyr or something | 20:47 |
| lcuk | chadi, scratchbox | 20:47 |
| jjmontes | chadi: you should be able to | 20:47 |
| lcuk | and yes to some degree | 20:47 |
| lcuk | if its maemo application, it should be trivial | 20:47 |
| chadi | Qt4.6 application | 20:48 |
| lcuk | if its from another distribution/platform then you may need more ninja skills | 20:48 |
| chadi | i have no skills at all, to be honest | 20:48 |
| chadi | I have to discover by myself | 20:48 |
| jjmontes | try to compile it, you'll see errors and dependencies not met... you'll have to work from that | 20:48 |
| jjmontes | chadi: however you'd need some programming skills | 20:49 |
| chadi | doesn't apt-get solve these dewpendancies? | 20:49 |
| chadi | jjmontes I do have programming skills | 20:49 |
| lcuk | if its a 4.6 app specifically then you may have to wait for the pr1.2 update | 20:49 |
| chadi | lcuk just compile on the SDK | 20:49 |
| lcuk | at least for testing on thedevice | 20:49 |
| lcuk | the sdk is updated to 4.6 i think | 20:49 |
| chadi | yeah i can wait for PR.12 | 20:49 |
| * MohammadAG makes ninja sounds | 20:49 | |
| lcuk | but the device isnt yet | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | the device has 4.6.2 | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | as libqt4-maemo5-* | 20:50 |
| chadi | no problem .. it should be release by the time I learn all that :P | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | from -devel | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | 4.5 as libqt4-* | 20:50 |
| * lcuk can see why confusion occurs | 20:51 | |
| E0x | MohammadAG: ninjas dont make sounds | 20:51 |
| tripzero | lol | 20:51 |
| jjmontes | :D | 20:51 |
| E0x | fail ! | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | E0x, actually it depends :P | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | they do in a fight :p | 20:52 |
| lcuk | how do you know? | 20:52 |
| * frals is seeing lcuks confusion | 20:52 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, NDA, can't talk about it | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:52 |
| tripzero | MohammadAG, ninja's don't fight. they kill | 20:52 |
| tripzero | and you can't hear after you are dead | 20:52 |
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| * MohammadAG kills tripzero, happy? | 20:52 | |
| lcuk | NDA == Ninja Discussion Agreement ? | 20:53 |
| tripzero | haha | 20:53 |
| jjmontes | MohammadAG: I had to remove account-plugin-salut (don't know why) | 20:53 |
| E0x | MohammadAG: 200 of ninjas can fight and you side and you will never hear or saw it | 20:53 |
| E0x | :P | 20:53 |
| E0x | tripzero: ninja vs ninja can fight | 20:53 |
| jjmontes | MohammadAG: still, my /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon is a broken link... dunno if it was like that before... may I ask if this is related? | 20:53 |
| lcuk | but you would never win | 20:53 |
| lcuk | they would be caught in an eternal battle | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | jjmontes, yes, it depends on upstart-job which doesn't exist | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | disable devel | 20:54 |
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| tripzero | EOx: yes, but they usually kill all standbys so they can fight uninterrupted | 20:54 |
| jjmontes | MohammadAG: cool! thanks a lot for the info... I just wait a few weeks then | 20:54 |
| tripzero | at least, that's what I would do | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | can we end the ninja subject? lol | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | tripzero, you're dead, so shut it | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | you started it | 20:55 |
| E0x | heh | 20:55 |
| tripzero | man, this afterlife sucks | 20:55 |
| tripzero | it's just like the one before it | 20:55 |
| lcuk | only a ninja can finish it | 20:55 |
| tripzero | lols | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | tripzero, does it have tmo users? | 20:57 |
| tripzero | yes. so i must be in hell | 20:57 |
| * VDVsx throws some ninja stars at lcuk :D | 20:58 | |
| crashanddie | tripzero: depends, the way I see it, most TMO users see themselves as martyrs | 20:58 |
| lcuk | no, tmo users are just like real life, theres a broad swath of good honest decent hardworking people there | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | martyrs, as I said | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | uhuh | 20:58 |
| lcuk | and i love how those discussing tmo users in derogitory terms are tmo users themselvse | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | how is martyrdom derogatory? | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, ironic, don't you think? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | heh seb i was already writing that before even seeing your comment :p | 20:59 |
| lcuk | i think it everytime the tmo subject comes up | 20:59 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: MY POINT EXACTLY, HOW COULD YOU FRET ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY???? | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | Yes, the world revolves around me. | 20:59 |
| lcuk | actually it does, you need to lose some weight dude | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 21:00 |
| jeward | Anybody use vncviewer on a maemo device? I'm wondering what Xwindow manager works best with the small display and touchscreen? | 21:00 |
| crashanddie | oh, so that's why all the chicks are attracted to me? I have my own gravity pull? | 21:00 |
| * jeward uses an n900. | 21:00 | |
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| lcuk | jeward, i use vnc to my windows machine and to other linux desktops | 21:00 |
| lcuk | the simplest is to just lower the screen resolution on the destinatino end and make do | 21:01 |
| lcuk | too much scaling or scrolling kills both performance and utility | 21:01 |
| jeward | lcuk: I have it set to 800x480. | 21:01 |
| lcuk | jeward, cool beans | 21:01 |
| jeward | lcuk: And I set XFCE panels to autohide, but I can't get them to come back by trying to mouse off the edge of the screen. | 21:02 |
| jjmontes | jeward: I use it to lnux desktops, I don't change the windowmanager | 21:02 |
| lcuk | yeah that would be a problem | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | its a good idea to completely optimise the destination desktop if all you are going to do is vnc to it | 21:02 |
| jeward | lcuk: I wonder if xmonad might be better? I don't know if I can send the window manager keyboard commands though? | 21:02 |
| lcuk | but its a pain if its a dual use and you vnc only occasionally | 21:02 |
| lcuk | jeward, you have HW keyboard | 21:03 |
| jeward | lcuk: I just want to dedicate one display for my n900. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | xmonad is great - its a tiling WM afaik isnt it? | 21:03 |
| lcuk | it reminded me of liqbase when i was mucking about | 21:03 |
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| jeward | Let me try install xmonad and see how it works. | 21:03 |
| jjmontes | I think gnome 800x480 is just ok | 21:03 |
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| jeward | lcuk: Yes tiling WM for max real estate. | 21:03 |
| lcuk | jjmontes, i think some of the problems with generics is expectation of right mouse button | 21:04 |
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| jeward | lcuk: Can you generate one with n900 vncviewer (right button)? | 21:04 |
| tripzero | what WM is on maemo5? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | i dont know ive not looked | 21:05 |
| lcuk | tripzero, its buildable afaik but suboptimal because theres specific maemoisms atm with it | 21:05 |
| lcuk | i last looked when i had n810 | 21:05 |
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| tripzero | n810 ran matchbox didn't it? maemo5's wm seems much more advanced | 21:06 |
| jjmontes | would it be possible to use the n900 as a secondary screen? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | it runs the libmatchbox2 stuff | 21:06 |
| jeward | jjmontes: Like synergy? | 21:06 |
| tripzero | matchbox-wm2? | 21:06 |
| * lcuk looks sideways @ email subject | 21:06 | |
| lcuk | "Spandex is optional" | 21:06 |
| tripzero | seems unlikely... but maybe | 21:06 |
| jjmontes | lcuk: I think the problem is the maemo VNC viewer is not powerful enough | 21:06 |
| lcuk | jjmontes, ? | 21:06 |
| jeward | jjmontes: To do what? | 21:07 |
| jjmontes | I mean, I think functionality could be adapted for the tablet | 21:07 |
| jjmontes | providing means to send characters, right clicks, and various keyboard mappings with ease | 21:07 |
| jjmontes | and zoom | 21:07 |
| jjmontes | (sorry, I was talking about functionality, not "power", my fault) | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Google changes Nexus One plans, will stop selling handsets online | 21:08 |
| jjmontes | jeward: not like synergy, but as a secondary screen for a laptop | 21:08 |
| RST38h | End of story | 21:08 |
| lcuk | jjmontes, its an x11 display | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: really? | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: [citation needed] | 21:08 |
| Myrtti | URL or it didn't happen | 21:08 |
| * RST38h suggests that asking a Chinese company ot design them a handset may not have been such a good idea | 21:08 | |
| jjmontes | umm not sure is what I want... I'd like to be able to configure the n900 as the secondary screen, so I can drag windows to it... | 21:09 |
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| Myrtti | ah bah. | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Are you some freaking wikipedians or what, people? Anyway: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/nexus-one-changes-in-availability.html | 21:09 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: yes, actually, I am. | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | But anyway, HTC can always make a slightly better handset with the same specs and sell it slightly cheaper. So, I have no idea what Google has been trying for there | 21:10 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: boyfriend bought Nexus One specifically because it'll get FroYo sooner than HTC Desire | 21:11 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: and see where it got him? =) | 21:11 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: well currently he's at work...? by car? | 21:12 |
| * RST38h tried the Nexus while in the US but could not get what the big fuss was | 21:12 | |
| * Myrtti chose to ignore the joke by purpose | 21:12 | |
| RST38h | No, it is not better than N900, albeit lighter | 21:13 |
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| jeward | Oh, hmm, how to generate Mod-shift-return on n900? :) | 21:15 |
| * Myrtti likes her free Nexus One Google gave her | 21:15 | |
| lcuk | will maemo run on it | 21:16 |
| jeward | Anybody know how to send a mod key in maemo vnc on the n900? :) | 21:16 |
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| Myrtti | why would I put maemo on it? I wouldn't run android on a N900, why would I run maemo on nexus one? | 21:17 |
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| Myrtti | I wouldn't install Windows or Linux on a Mac either. I'm strange that way. | 21:18 |
| lcuk | Myrtti i never asked you to change | 21:18 |
| lcuk | i asked whether maemo would run on it | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | that question was like "but does it run crysis?" | 21:19 |
| hrw-uds | lcuk: why not? | 21:19 |
| * jeward has a triple boot Snow Leopard/Windows 7/ Ubuntu mac mini. | 21:19 | |
| hrw-uds | lcuk: as long as you will have opengl/es drivers good enough fro clutter... | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | indeed - perhaps meego would be a better base to try | 21:19 |
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| Myrtti | you're asking a person who until recently didn't know the difference between atom and arm until it was explained to her in very, very gentle ways, would maemo run on nexus one. No, I have no idea. | 21:21 |
| Myrtti | ich. horrible coffee | 21:22 |
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| chadi | did anyone manage to dual boot android without NTDroid? | 21:23 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:23 |
| * RST38h guesses Nexus will run something like Mer | 21:23 | |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, theoretically yes. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | The main question is, of course, why | 21:24 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, why the 180? | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: working for google nowadays? =) | 21:25 |
| * Myrtti stares GAN900 with a blank look | 21:25 | |
| GAN900 | Because Android sucks. | 21:25 |
| Myrtti | oh, that 180 | 21:25 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, you hated it in SF. :P | 21:25 |
| RST38h | Why does it suck? Felt ok. | 21:26 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: applications, learning curve | 21:26 |
| RST38h | But then, I do not think Symbian sucks either | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | I can't stand the hardware | 21:26 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: also, I pimped it up with Gelaskins | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | I kept hitting home while typing. | 21:26 |
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| papo | hi | 21:27 |
| papo | how can I make a screenshot? | 21:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | ctrl-shift-p IIRC | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | sleep time logger, audibook player, google synchronization etc | 21:28 |
| Myrtti | and the desktop dock is rad | 21:28 |
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| Myrtti | apart from the virtual keyboard, my experience with the nexus one was happier from the start that the time I've spent with a n900 | 21:30 |
| RST38h | GAN: Standard vanilla HTC hardware. Yes, it is nothing to ogle at | 21:33 |
| Myrtti | I don't really care about the hardware - it's the apps that caught me. hm. apart from the fact that since I've always been partial to virtual keyboards, nexus one is nice. | 21:34 |
| Myrtti | I can change from Scandinavian keyboard to swipe quick keyboard so easily ♥ | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 21:35 |
| arachnist | there's no good android phone with a good hardware keyboard | 21:35 |
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| Myrtti | s/android/mobile/ | 21:37 |
| Myrtti | there, fixed it for ya | 21:37 |
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| johnsq | arachnist: better without and use a bluetooth. | 21:37 |
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| Myrtti | I just hate all the hardware keyboards, being a touch typist I find them harder to learn than software keyboards | 21:39 |
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| jaska | cant stand virtual kbds | 21:39 |
| Myrtti | give me a full Scandinavian keyboard, or give me death etc | 21:39 |
| jaska | they also halve your effective display usually | 21:39 |
| Myrtti | that's a learning issue. I've used vkb:s since 770 ;-) | 21:40 |
| Myrtti | never had a problem :-P | 21:40 |
| RST38h | death by full scandinavian keyboard | 21:40 |
| jaska | i skipped 770 and 800 due to the lack of kbd | 21:40 |
| frals | hmm | 21:41 |
| Myrtti | heh, and I bought N800 last spring specifically because the lack of kdb | 21:41 |
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| ShadowJK | Myrtti, because N800 was cheaper than N810? | 21:45 |
| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5539192/a-cellphone-exploded-in-my-face | 21:45 |
| Myrtti | ShadowJK: because N800 didn't have hardware keyboard. I didn't even look at the prices of N810 | 21:46 |
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| ShadowJK | you could get N810 for the better screen and not use hw kbd ;p | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | though dual sd slot on n800 is nice | 21:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Is he complaining because the battery got upset after he sliced it in half? | 21:50 |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Guess so | 21:52 |
| frals | GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH | 21:53 |
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| frals | pyqt4 doesnt implement QtDBus >_< | 21:53 |
| frals | ~curse | 21:54 |
| infobot | methinks swearing is Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker | 21:54 |
| alterego | So, I'm gonna work on a "Contact Manager" that does contact groups, per group and per contact ringtones and also the callbocker | 21:54 |
| alterego | Well, the call blocker is done. | 21:55 |
| alterego | So it's just integrating it with a group principal system and having ringtones. | 21:55 |
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| alterego | I'll use the pipe method someone suggested earlier, and if the device happens to be mounted via USB, then I'll just play some default t00n | 21:57 |
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| frals | great, neither pyside or pyqt actually ships qtdbus bindings :[ | 21:59 |
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| alterego | frals: probably because of the dedicated python-dbus bindings? | 22:00 |
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| frals | well python got urllib and a bunch of other stuff for networking but qtnetwork is there :P | 22:01 |
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| kpoman | hi | 22:08 |
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| kpoman | do someone know how to port new libs to a n810 ? | 22:09 |
| kpoman | I want to compile on a gentoo box, do I have to set vars etc... for autotools to know what i want ? do i need a chrooted environment or whatever ? | 22:10 |
| alterego | gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d | 22:10 |
| kpoman | mouahahah | 22:12 |
| kpoman | wtf | 22:12 |
| kpoman | :D | 22:12 |
| Lynoure | I can't get girlfriends, I have no idea how to approach other women... | 22:12 |
| Lynoure | But still use Kubuntu. | 22:12 |
| kpoman | I am married, I had to resign for a bit, but now :D | 22:12 |
| kpoman | lol | 22:13 |
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| ZogG | <alterego> gentoo is for people that can't get a girlfriend, use ubuntu and pick up chicks d00d. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!& | 22:14 |
| ZogG | &=? | 22:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i vote for pubcrawl instead of discussing distributions on a friday evening | 22:14 |
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| ZogG | i vote for boobs every friday | 22:15 |
| ZogG | i go to work night shift now though =( | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder what would happen if i killed xorg | 22:22 |
| papo | SpeedEvil: thank you, worked | 22:23 |
| papo | cya | 22:23 |
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| Stskeeps | you'll go to prison and geeks will hate you | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | *sobs* | 22:23 |
| Myrtti | organic carrot farming | 22:25 |
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| tybollt | they do organic carrot farming in prison now? | 22:35 |
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| tybollt | hrr hrr | 22:42 |
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| florian | re | 22:51 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 | 22:53 |
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| Myrtti | which reminds me | 22:54 |
| Myrtti | since I've misplaced my N800, would someone care to check http://myrtti.fi and report what kind of a blogtheme they see on the site? | 22:55 |
| opdf2 | is sipsorcery down? | 22:56 |
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| LuciusMare | package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) | 23:02 |
| LuciusMare | you mean that there is a difference? | 23:02 |
| yabba | is there in ash a command which you can use to remove specific lines from text file. example, if I want to remove all lines which begins with the word foobar? | 23:03 |
| LuciusMare | Hm, the package seems to be packed for maemo 2, not for fremantle... *sigh* | 23:06 |
| alterego | yabba: sed | 23:06 |
| yabba | Ok, thanks | 23:07 |
| ruskie | yabba, it's not ash... it's only a shell... but something like sed '/^foobar .*/d' file might work | 23:07 |
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| omar | Myrtti, looks artsy-fartsy (your theme) | 23:11 |
| omar | if you catch my drift | 23:12 |
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| yabba | ok... "sed '/^foobar ./d' file" shows me edited version of file (whitout lines begining with foobar), but those not write it to the file... how I do that then :D | 23:15 |
| alterego | pipe it to a new file | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | or use -i | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | read sed's manual, man sed | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | \o PhonicUK | 23:18 |
| PhonicUK | alo :) | 23:18 |
| yabba | Both works, thanks :) | 23:18 |
| yabba | again :) | 23:18 |
| PhonicUK | i just reinstalled Windows on my machine | 23:19 |
| PhonicUK | fun fun | 23:19 |
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| MohammadAG | windows, meh | 23:23 |
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| PhonicUK | lol | 23:23 |
| PhonicUK | I had accidentally installed a stripped down Win 7 install that i use for my Mini ITX machine | 23:23 |
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| PhonicUK | which was missing the parental controls stuff, and some games won't start without it :\ | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol that's fail | 23:24 |
| PhonicUK | I wanna play Avatar in 3D :) | 23:24 |
| PhonicUK | this ought to be fun | 23:24 |
| PhonicUK | 3D Vision FTW! | 23:24 |
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| kpoman | ( o) (o ) | 23:29 |
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| yabba | btw, why I got this warning about bugtracker, even I have put this line in build file "p.xsbc_bugtracker="mailto:yabbapappa@gmail.com"" http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pykake/0.5.0-3/ | 23:33 |
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| rcg1 | yabba: are you using py2deb or pypackager? | 23:37 |
| yabba | py2deb | 23:37 |
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| rcg1 | if you check the control file .. you can find this in pykake-0.5.0/debian/control if you extract the generated tar.gz .. you can see that there is no entry starting with "XSBC-Bugtracker:" | 23:41 |
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| rcg1 | could you post the complete buildfile to pastebin or something | 23:43 |
| yabba | yes, I suppose | 23:43 |
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| yabba | http://pastebin.com/q4g78WGC | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | and the control file? | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | i think X crashed or something | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | rebooting | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG | i hate embedded linux | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | I expected myself to be in a shell when I killed X | 23:52 |
| yabba | http://pastebin.com/h1ZPgCzV | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | dsmetool rebooted the N900 | 23:52 |
| RST38h | ARMSDT C "compiler"...eeek | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | no bug tracker in the control file | 23:54 |
| yabba | Aaah, could it be this? "1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken. It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras. | 23:54 |
| yabba | You can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker " | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | I'd suggest asking Khertan when he comes online | 23:54 |
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| yabba | from wiki page... | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: there is no fbconsole in the default kernel | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: so you can't do anything | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | can it be enabled? | 23:55 |
| rcg1 | yabba: but this issue usually would have resulted in an entry like: | 23:55 |
| rcg1 | XSBC-Bugtracker: xsbc_bugtracker <your email> | 23:55 |
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| rcg1 | what i am wondering is why you do not have any XSBC-Bugtracker: entry at all in your control file | 23:56 |
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| yabba | So there is something rotten in it then :/ | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | cause py2deb didn't add it | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | yabba, add it manually | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | or switch to pypackager | 23:57 |
| rcg1 | MohammadAG: yeah but why? ;) | 23:57 |
| yabba | yep, that was next | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen Khertan_home | 23:57 |
| infobot | khertan_home <~Khertan@AAmiens-155-1-32-189.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4h 59m 57s ago, saying: 'or see you later :)'. | 23:57 |
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| MohammadAG | ask him when he returns :) | 23:57 |
| rcg1 | ;) | 23:57 |
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| rcg1 | MohammadAG: btw, while you are here, are you experienced with autobuilder issues? | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | depends on what you mean by issues :) | 23:59 |
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| rcg1 | i know X-Fade is the one to ask but apparently he is quite busy these days | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | weekend just started | 23:59 |
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