IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-05-13

BCMM	MohammadAG: it tells you what sort of file a file is (without looking at the filename)	00:00
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BCMM	for some more common formats, if gives you useful information (things like codec and bitrate, for some AV containers)	00:00
hawai`i	actually	00:01
hawai`i	It's probably in Jebba's ETCH repository.	00:01
BCMM	hawai`i: what is that?	00:01
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hawai`i	BCMM: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43188	00:01
MohammadAG	he recpiled all etch packages for maemo	00:01
MohammadAG	recompiled*	00:02
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hawai`i	Built them against extras repo.	00:02
hawai`i	It's actually extremely awesome.	00:02
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BCMM	hawai`i: so, previously you could get debian stuff with a chroot	00:02
BCMM	now you can basically have normal debian things on the system in a sensible way?	00:02
hawai`i	BCMM: I suppose, it's sensible yes.	00:03
DocScrutinizer	beware, it's HUGE	00:03
hawai`i	You still need to be extremely careful.	00:03
BCMM	well, without multiple C libs and such	00:03
hawai`i	You're probably better off using the imaged chroot	00:03
hawai`i	It allows for a huge margin of error	00:03
BCMM	hawai`i: why the careful?	00:03
DocScrutinizer	not optified of course	00:03
BCMM	ooh, gnu screen	00:04
hawai`i	They are optified. Initial pass optification.	00:04
DocScrutinizer	ooh	00:04
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DocScrutinizer	talking out of my arse	00:04
BCMM	what does "all Debian Etch source packages" mean?	00:04
BCMM	8 days doesn't seem long enough to build everything a distro offers	00:04
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hawai`i	All the packages from the Debian etch release.	00:04
MohammadAG	all souces from debian etch	00:04
hawai`i	Do you ever stop asking absolutely silly questions?	00:04
BCMM	hawai`i: what i mean is something like, how comprehensive is the debian etch release?	00:05
* MohammadAG washes hawai`i's mouth with soap		00:05
* BCMM looks at the list		00:05
BCMM	woah	00:05
hawai`i	BCMM: it's the entire Debian semi-stable release.	00:05
DocScrutinizer	I never thought that might help	00:06
Proteous	SOAP BLINDNESS!!	00:06
DocScrutinizer	took some hours to build	00:06
DocScrutinizer	~hail jebba	00:06
DocScrutinizer	~useless	00:06
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(		00:06
DocScrutinizer	~die	00:06
* infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.		00:06
MohammadAG	~fix infobot	00:07
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hawai`i	Actually	00:07
hawai`i	They are optified on-the-fly	00:07
BCMM	so he hasn't tried to remove stuff that is already in maemo like GTK+?	00:07
hawai`i	but it's a weak optification, to be honest.	00:07
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DocScrutinizer	BCMM: for sure not	00:07
BCMM	hawai`i: what does "optified on-the-fly" mean? every single file symlinked?	00:08
MohammadAG	maemo-optify-deb	00:08
BCMM	perhaps i am tired and should stop asking silly questions	00:08
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DocScrutinizer	:-P	00:08
DocScrutinizer	maybe I should go out get me a beer	00:09
BCMM	or perhaps i should actually work out how debian works first	00:09
* satmd pours some of his beer into the dsl cable		00:09
satmd	it's all yours, doc	00:09
BCMM	(or just try and get a gentoo chroot :-p)	00:09
DocScrutinizer	yummy	00:09
DocScrutinizer	native gentoo ftw :-P	00:09
johnsq	DocScrutinizer: works fine	00:10
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: there is native gentoo on the n900?	00:10
hawai`i	There is chroot Gentoo, as regular.	00:10
DocScrutinizer	"please call me again the next week, I'm just updating"	00:10
trumee	How do i change mobile number in My Information in contacts?	00:11
DocScrutinizer	"actually make that next month"	00:11
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BCMM	DocScrutinizer: distcc :)	00:11
trumee	it is an uneditable field	00:11
BCMM	well, in terms of it actually being a phone, the phone app is closed, right?	00:11
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trumee	dont know where the phone populated that number from.	00:11
johnsq	DocScrutinizer: its not so pad only 48hours to compile	00:11
DocScrutinizer	prolly from SIM	00:11
BCMM	trumee: buy a new SIM card?	00:11
johnsq	s/pad/bad	00:11
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DocScrutinizer	johnsq: you did, on N900? XP	00:12
trumee	i looked into skype/gtalk profile. cant find there	00:12
johnsq	DocScrutinizer: no on the slowly n8x0 and archos 5it.	00:12
trumee	BCMM: what do u mean?	00:12
DocScrutinizer	johnsq: amazing :-D	00:12
trumee	BCMM: i didn't buy a new sim card.	00:12
BCMM	trumee: well, your SIM card has a number, right?	00:13
BCMM	trumee: which can be used to telephone you, right?	00:13
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johnsq	DocScrutinizer: i'm out of luck with crossdev and crosscompiler.	00:13
trumee	BCMM: yes, but that doesnt match my phone number	00:13
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BCMM	trumee: eh?	00:13
BCMM	trumee: oh, you mean the one in "my information" is wrong?	00:13
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trumee	BCMM: yes	00:14
BCMM	trumee: are you sure?	00:14
trumee	BCMM: yup	00:14
BCMM	trumee: you should ring it and see what happens	00:14
BCMM	it probably belongs to another you in a parrallel dimension	00:14
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DocScrutinizer51	it's actually from SIM	00:14
BCMM	on mine it is correct, and it can only have got it from the sim card / network	00:15
wazd	~seen vdvsx	00:15
trumee	BCMM: my number is 079xx and that number is 0753xx	00:15
infobot	vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 7h 30m 36s ago, saying: 'fine here :D'.	00:15
BCMM	trumee: have you recently moved network or change your number or something?	00:15
DocScrutinizer51	(my sim has a bogus 2nd one 0000000 that's also shown)	00:15
trumee	BCMM: yes i had moved networks	00:15
BCMM	trumee: did you have your number moved?	00:16
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trumee	BCMM: guess that was the original number of the sim.	00:16
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trumee	BCMM: yes, i had the number ported.	00:16
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BCMM	trumee: how recently/	00:16
trumee	BCMM: 2yrs ago	00:16
BCMM	oh	00:17
BCMM	i had my number moved but it comes up fine in my information	00:17
trumee	BCMM: maybe the info is never updated in the sim, only on the carriers server.	00:17
DocScrutinizer	anyway a nice bugreport	00:17
BCMM	i have no idea how the system works, tbh	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: exactly	00:18
DocScrutinizer	how should it	00:18
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BCMM	my sim had a different number for several days between starting to work and my number getting moved	00:18
DocScrutinizer	that's JFYI data in the SIM	00:18
BCMM	but the number is correct now	00:19
trumee	DocScrutinizer: how did it work for BCMM then?	00:19
DocScrutinizer	GSM is a strange system, with a lot of redundant data pathes	00:19
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DocScrutinizer	or short: I dunno :-P	00:20
trumee	i am going to insert another sim to check if it changes	00:20
DocScrutinizer	e.g for carrier name showing up in top bar there's 3 potetial sources	00:21
trumee	i called that number, carrier returned 'number not recognised'	00:21
DocScrutinizer	at least 3	00:21
ptl	~seen qole	00:21
infobot	qole <~qole@Maemo/community/council/qole> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 63d 4h 45m 31s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps, oh that's some great news!'.	00:22
hawai`i	Go get a new SIM	00:22
DocScrutinizer	trumee: probably some carriers implement a way to signal the actually assigned number back to the mobile	00:22
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DocScrutinizer	just like some carriers transmit correct time of day, and some don't	00:23
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iPeter-	I dont know should i ask this here but anyway.. is it possible to put opera load pages as normally on PC, annyoing to get example mobile youtube -.-	00:24
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BCMM	iPeter-: does it have a way to change you user agent?	00:24
DocScrutinizer	change browser ID	00:24
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DocScrutinizer	ask timeless_mbp	00:25
MohammadAG	about:config, same as firefox	00:25
DocScrutinizer	or ask MohammadAG :-D	00:25
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MohammadAG	lol	00:25
iPeter-	MohammadAG: Thx	00:26
MohammadAG	anytime	00:26
MohammadAG	thinking about getting the nokia BH-214	00:26
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DocScrutinizer	err, the nice expensive one?	00:27
MohammadAG	lol no	00:28
iPeter-	MohammadAG: Could you tell what to do from about:config to get rid of that?	00:28
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MohammadAG	oh, opera, sec	00:28
MohammadAG	thought you were talking about microB	00:29
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iPeter-	MohammadAG: Yeh, opera :)	00:29
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millenomi	(workin' in the background, lurkin': http://millenomi.posterous.com/presenting-labs-platform-core)	00:30
MohammadAG	iPeter-, scroll down to useragent, it doesn't support flash so I don't see any point of using the full yt	00:31
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, you know you want one http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD800-Premier-Headphone/dp/B001OTZ8DA	00:31
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iPeter-	MohammadAG: Yeah, i just try out this browser. Umm im in User agent, what now?	00:31
MohammadAG	change the useragent to what you want :)	00:32
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MohammadAG	Firefox/3.5.6 is a valid one, i think	00:32
iPeter-	I changed user agent value to 0, still going to mobile youtube if im typing www.youtube.com	00:33
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iPeter-	Well nvm. Not going to use this as default browser, yet.	00:35
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MohammadAG	iPeter-, try 4	00:35
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iPeter-	MohammadAG: I changed it to 4, clicked save, and did shutdown browser and now its back to 1 ):	00:37
MohammadAG	why did you shutdown	00:37
MohammadAG	just hit save	00:37
iPeter-	it said it may need reboot :o	00:37
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iPeter-	but, it seems it doesnt need.	00:38
iPeter-	MohammadAG: Worked, thanks.	00:38
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MohammadAG	:)	00:39
MohammadAG	iPeter-, the settings thing is a known issue	00:39
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MohammadAG	settings get saved here though	00:39
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iPeter-	but opera seems to be fast and is easier than microb on some things, i like of it. Few things need to be fixed to replace microb :)	00:40
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* GAN900 wonders why Texrat got 5 thumbs for: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/will-2011-be-make-or-break-for-nokia/		00:42
SpeedEvil	He's a mutant?	00:43
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Ic3man	Hi.. trying out x-chat for the first time on my N900 :)	00:43
SpeedEvil	:)	00:43
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Dima202	Hey Doc still alive?	00:44
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Dima202	10 min left on my uppload	00:44
Gilles__	hi here	00:44
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Dima202	Ic3man: how is xchat? I like irssi	00:44
Gilles__	i'm trying to install nitdroid on an n800	00:45
Ic3man	xchat is very user friendly i think...	00:45
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: lmao	00:45
Gilles__	and i'm looking for help	00:45
Dima202	irssi too for irc	00:45
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Dima202	Gilles__: I've found help.. in a bottle :)	00:46
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Gilles__	i've followed what's written in nitdroid	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	HMM?	00:47
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MohammadAG	Hildon Mutant Manager?	00:47
* N900evil loves xchat.		00:47
Ic3man	I must say that the N900 is by far the best mobile ive ever used... :)	00:48
* MohammadAG seconds that		00:48
* MohammadAG seconds that too		00:48
ManoftheSea	I like it too.	00:48
DocScrutinizer	Dima202: you summoned me?	00:48
Dima202	Remind me of my Zaurus	00:48
ManoftheSea	But then... I haven't had a new phone in 2.5 years.	00:48
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Dima202	:) hey DocScrutinizer almost done with what upload :)	00:48
Dima202	96.9%	00:48
DocScrutinizer	mhm	00:48
Ic3man	Any ubuntu users here?	00:49
DocScrutinizer	please send URL to /query DocScrutinizer51	00:49
MohammadAG	Ic3man, sadly	00:49
* DocScrutinizer ponders to finally get out, beer, and a few 100 random manpages offline, for leisure		00:50
Gilles__	i'm not sure if it's working with rs mmc card	00:51
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DocScrutinizer	Dima202: you got qwerty kbd?	00:52
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, seems irssi isn't that great	00:53
Dima202	DocScrutinizer: why not?	00:54
Dima202	Works great for me	00:54
Dima202	got used to pg up and pg dwn for scrolling	00:54
Dima202	everything else is fine	00:54
Dima202	DocScrutinizer: got my query?	00:55
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DocScrutinizer51	yep	00:56
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DocScrutinizer51	xchat is fine since I got shift-up/down (only available on qwerty)	00:57
tybollt	hmm	00:57
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Dima202	can you screen xchat?	00:57
tybollt	how do I move copy entries from my ovi calendar to my ovi calendar 1.6 beta?	00:57
DocScrutinizer51	irssi seems to fail for you as you didn't answer	00:57
DocScrutinizer51	Dima202: no screen for xchat - it's a gui app	00:58
Dima202	my point :p	00:58
DocScrutinizer51	bah	00:58
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SpeedEvil	Dima202: you can use quassel multi-headed	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	why would you want to use screen anywway?	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	exactly	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	any bouncer	00:59
MohammadAG	cool, I can slide my N900 open using the display now	00:59
MohammadAG	kinda like a shotgun :P	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	errr wut?	00:59
Dima202	i usually tunnel into my dedcated box and screen irssi through there	01:00
MohammadAG	slider's looser than before	01:00
DocScrutinizer51	eeew	01:00
an0therb0x	is there a program to send certain numbers directly to voice mail for the n900	01:00
DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG: you really got a lemon	01:00
MohammadAG	Call forwarding I think	01:00
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, nope, don't they all get like this sooner or later?	01:01
DocScrutinizer51	hmm dunno	01:01
an0therb0x	MohammadAG: so i can send certain contacts directly to voice message ?	01:01
MohammadAG	think so	01:02
MohammadAG	never used it	01:02
DocScrutinizer51	if you dmesg doesnt explode of 'slider now open' 'slider now closed'	01:02
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, tehkseven/join duct taped it	01:02
frals	anyone figured out a way to spoof an incoming call?	01:02
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, it's not that loose lol!	01:02
frals	i dont feel like calling myself everytime i need to test this script :[	01:02
tybollt	frals: ?	01:02
MohammadAG	frals, make a skype account and call yourself?	01:02
MohammadAG	oh nvm	01:02
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frals	MohammadAG: skype goes over telepathy :(	01:03
DocScrutinizer51	frals: hard	01:03
MohammadAG	yeah, the N900 crashes when i do that	01:03
MohammadAG	xD	01:03
Dima202	Does video skype work on the 1.2 thats out in hk right now	01:03
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MohammadAG	video calls are supported in 1.2, qole confirmed it	01:03
SpeedEvil	frals: Put up little cards in phone boxes nearby	01:04
Dima202	same guy who condemned flash 10.1	01:04
frals	SpeedEvil: :D	01:05
frals	MohammadAG: you should probably clarify its skype video and not 3g video calls ;)	01:05
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MohammadAG	skype and gtalk video calls then	01:05
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MohammadAG	Dima202, that "guy" made easy debian, and is a respected member, I doubt the 10.1 thing was a lie	01:06
rektide	which guy?	01:06
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Dima202	qole	01:06
DocScrutinizer51	Dima202: dl isn't lightning fast either	01:06
Dima202	wow, he made easy debian?	01:07
Arkenoi	Do SIP video calls work as well?	01:07
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer51: it better be, 100 megabit connection	01:07
pwnguin	doesn't that just make it more likely he'd condemb flash on philosophical grounds?	01:07
DocScrutinizer51	wonder if that's due to internets or N900 write bandwidth to uSD	01:07
Dima202	DocScrutinizer51: are you sure its not on your end?	01:07
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MohammadAG	the N900 downloads stuff slowly	01:07
DocScrutinizer51	Dima202: would you mind to rened the URL to DocScrutinizer ?	01:08
woglinde	jo	01:08
DocScrutinizer51	woglinde: joo	01:08
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MohammadAG	battery low	01:10
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DocScrutinizer	Dima202: ok, avrged at 220KiB/s. Doesn't feel much faster than on N900 though :-P	01:12
user_	i can barely read anything in xchat	01:12
Dima202	Hmm, I am maxing my d/l at 500kb/s	01:13
SpeedEvil	Dima202: over 3g?	01:13
DocScrutinizer	user_: maybe adjust fontsize then?	01:13
Dima202	1.0MB/s	01:13
Dima202	500KB/sec	01:13
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Dima202	must be you DocScrutinizer	01:13
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Dima202	SpeedEvil: lol nah over cable	01:14
DocScrutinizer	I think that's a 1Mbit DSL here	01:14
SpeedEvil	user_: http://qkwv.com/xchat.png	01:14
SpeedEvil	user_: Is it a colour problem?	01:14
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frals	so how do i translate this to a dbus-send command: signal sender=:1.17 -> dest=(null destination) serial=77049 path=/com/nokia/csd/call; interface=com.nokia.csd.Call; member=Coming object path "/com/nokia/csd/call/1" string "346893489"	01:15
* SpeedEvil wonders that true		01:16
SpeedEvil	too	01:16
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: hmm, 16lines here instead of your 14, but otherwise rather identical	01:16
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: well - if you hide the top...	01:16
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DocScrutinizer	nah, smallet PT	01:17
DocScrutinizer	smaller	01:17
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SpeedEvil	ah	01:17
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SpeedEvil	I sometimes use it outside in direct sun with the backlihgt down	01:17
DocScrutinizer	nokia sans 12	01:17
SpeedEvil	In this case, the resolution is hurt	01:17
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: maybe someone is tapping your wirless?	01:18
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DocScrutinizer	btw, on related topic: I use the tabs instead of treeview for the chanlist - and I found it's impossible to read red on gray in bright sunlight	01:19
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Dima202	k, on related topic, did you test the video to tv out issue?	01:20
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DocScrutinizer	Dima202: still downloading Opening the video streaming in mediaplayer gave me black screen even on N900	01:21
DocScrutinizer	22%	01:21
Dima202	you tried to steam a divx file?	01:21
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BCMM	talking of video, anyone else had videos that won't play, but work fine after a reboot?	01:21
SpeedEvil	BCMM: you can wedge the infrastructure	01:22
BCMM	i've had this several times with stuff made with tablet-encode	01:22
BCMM	SpeedEvil: ?	01:22
SpeedEvil	BCMM: It crashes the DSP	01:22
DocScrutinizer	so what? N900 on opening the link asked me "store or play?"	01:22
SpeedEvil	or something	01:22
BCMM	SpeedEvil: what does "wedge teh infrastructure" mean?	01:22
SpeedEvil	BCMM: and won't come back without rebooting	01:22
BCMM	oh, the DSP can get in a confused state, i see	01:22
SpeedEvil	BCMM: Some aspect of the video chain crashes	01:22
BCMM	ah, that must be what happens when you feed it stuff straight of of get_iplayer	01:22
BCMM	h264, but not the sort of h264 it wants...	01:23
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: nota bene after DSP crashed it won't play any video until reboot	01:23
BCMM	yeah, that is consistent with what i've seen	01:23
BCMM	it sounds like i can repeatably crash the DSP by trying to play the output of get_iplayer	01:23
BCMM	interesting...	01:23
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BCMM	i've encountered another oddity with stuff from tablet-encode	01:24
BCMM	fwiw, this one was with pretty poor-quality video to start with	01:24
SpeedEvil	BCMM: Oh - random interesting factoid.	01:24
* DocScrutinizer wonders if a kill -9 to the right process might do, instead of boot		01:25
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SpeedEvil	BCMM: I am part of a n900 survey that is being conducted by nokia	01:25
SpeedEvil	BCMM: One of the questions was 'how much would you like to be able to easily play web-tv /iplayer)	01:25
BCMM	anyway the tablet-encode output played back at a decent speed on the desktop, but was jerky (like maybe 5fps) on the n900	01:25
BCMM	anyone else had that? any tablet-encode/mencoder flags that help?	01:26
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* SpeedEvil wishes that the bbc would get with the damn program, and just podcast _everything_.		01:30
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ohwhyme	Anyone know why my phone log keeps getting cleared after a little	01:40
DocScrutinizer	PP:hald-runer PID:821 hald-addon-usb-cable: listening on /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode	01:41
DocScrutinizer	:-O	01:41
* DocScrutinizer really wishes someone @ Nokia would write a little summary on how that friggin USB crap is supposed to work (or has been supposed to, before they ditched hostmode)		01:44
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BCMM	SpeedEvil: apparently they think people won't let them buy programs unless they drm everything	01:46
BCMM	SpeedEvil: (except for iphone obviously)	01:46
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ajf_	rename guysoft22 guy	01:46
ajf_	save	01:46
BCMM	(oh, and flash cause it's fiddly)	01:46
SpeedEvil	And of course people are pushing for ipad.	01:46
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guysoft22	ajf_, wha?	01:47
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BCMM	SpeedEvil: and of course they forgot the bit were they are the bleedin' bbc and actually could just threaten to take their business elsewhere	01:47
BCMM	or provide non-stupid copies of their own stuff	01:47
BCMM	basically, i smell lobbying	01:47
BCMM	still, get_iplayer is pretty brilliant	01:48
BCMM	the perfect interface	01:48
BCMM	well, it was until they dropped the iphone versions for some reason	01:48
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ohwhyme	u guys know where the call log is located?	01:54
frals	~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db or el-v1.db afaik	01:55
* SpeedEvil sighs.		01:56
SpeedEvil	I was playing with seeing if I could get meego to boot as a rescue disk, to avoid flashing.	01:56
SpeedEvil	So put it on the SD in the phone.	01:56
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SpeedEvil	That had had my backups on.	01:56
woglinde	lol	01:56
* SpeedEvil is doing a lot of scrolling and clicking right now.		01:57
woglinde	good nite	01:57
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ajf_	rename njsf_1 n	01:59
ajf_	save	01:59
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SpeedEvil	At least 1.2 keeps its place in the app-list, so I don't need to scroll	01:59
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SpeedEvil	err - 1.2.1	01:59
SpeedEvil	err - 1.1.1	01:59
* SpeedEvil sighs.		01:59
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LinuxCode	does anyone know if maemo 5 support smartcards readers using ccid ?	02:10
LinuxCode	I see gnugpg2 2.0.15 on the site	02:10
LinuxCode	which is one of the two things I would need	02:10
SpeedEvil	ccid?	02:10
LinuxCode	yeah	02:11
SpeedEvil	how would these be connected?	02:11
LinuxCode	its like a smartcard standard	02:11
LinuxCode	usb	02:11
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SpeedEvil	there is no working USB hostmode	02:11
SpeedEvil	~USB	02:11
infobot	rumour has it, usb is Unusable Serial Bus. Useless Serial Bus. Ugly Stupid Bus	02:11
LinuxCode	ohhh	02:11
LinuxCode	;-\|	02:11
LinuxCode	meh	02:12
SpeedEvil	USB is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host	02:12
SpeedEvil	~USB	02:12
infobot	well, usb is Unusable Serial Bus. Useless Serial Bus. Ugly Stupid Bus	02:12
SpeedEvil	See that	02:12
SpeedEvil	infobot: USB is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host	02:12
infobot	...but usb is already something else...	02:12
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LinuxCode	sad ;-\|	02:13
SpeedEvil	infobot: USBHOST is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host	02:13
infobot	SpeedEvil: okay	02:13
LinuxCode	that would have been really cool	02:13
SpeedEvil	~USBHOST	02:13
infobot	usbhost is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host	02:13
SpeedEvil	It's probably coming. It's not there yet though.	02:13
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* lcuk ensures DocScrutinizer is stocked up with bacon and coffee to his taste		02:18
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, im gonna see whether theres any more info we can obtain for you	02:19
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DocScrutinizer51	errm... missing context	02:20
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lcuk	your rant earlier	02:22
frals	lcuk and the bacon is going to do their thing and see what comes out	02:23
lcuk	heh	02:23
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: fine	02:24
DocScrutinizer	:-)	02:25
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SpeedEvil	rant?	02:30
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trem	nite all, sweet dreams	02:36
LinuxCode	SpeedEvil, thanks again for earlier	02:37
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ajf_	guysoft22: sorry about that.. was my bitlbee_rename script for facebook going crazy for some bizarre reason	02:37
LinuxCode	hi lcuk , good night lcuk	02:37
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Myrtti	meh.	02:38
SpeedEvil	np	02:41
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ajf_	save	02:44
Myrtti	fail	02:44
SpeedEvil	rename ajf_ noob	02:45
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Dima202	Hey Doc, so anything interesting yet?	02:47
Termana	good morning	02:47
Dima202	good morning Termana at 7,47 pm but okay ;)	02:47
Termana	Dima202, http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html	02:48
Termana	:P That link is golden, thanks to however showed it to me :P	02:48
Dima202	haha nice	02:48
Termana	Dima202, also - its 9:18am here, so very much morning :)	02:48
Dima202	"Resistance is futile." <- rofl	02:48
Myrtti	burp	02:49
DocScrutinizer	lo Myrtti	02:50
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: did that download finish yetA?	02:50
DocScrutinizer	prolly	02:50
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ajf_	rename b0unc3 b0unc3	02:50
ajf_	save	02:50
Dima202	Can you check please	02:50
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DocScrutinizer	in a short while	02:51
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: can you give "in a short while" a time frame?	02:52
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DocScrutinizer	ajf_: send me a query if you have anything better to say than rename x y save	02:53
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if that's a bot		02:55
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DocScrutinizer	Dima202: next 60min	02:55
Myrtti	DocScrutinizer: look at the backlog at 37 past this hour	02:55
Dima202	oh my	02:55
Dima202	ok, thanks I'll be here	02:56
DocScrutinizer	Myrtti: oh, thanks	02:56
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Myrtti	it's not a bot, but he still needs to fix his script	02:56
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DocScrutinizer	still [Whois] ajf_ ist 1000@eth0.org.uk (Unknown)	02:58
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DocScrutinizer	looks strange as well	02:58
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DocScrutinizer	anyway	02:59
DocScrutinizer	bbl	02:59
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Pekuja_	I'm having a problem trying to install the SDK	03:00
Pekuja_	it seems like sudo is failing	03:00
Pekuja_	"mmap: Operation not permitted"	03:00
Pekuja_	this is on Ubuntu 10.04 inside Virtualbox	03:00
wazd	hmmm, "Design by Community" is an interesting thing :)	03:01
Pekuja_	oh, hmm	03:01
Pekuja_	should had taken a look at the installation guide. the solution is right there	03:01
wazd	http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ <- they are now making design concepts according to the chosen specs	03:02
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: very soon?	03:24
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DocScrutinizer	copying, remaining time 25min	03:27
Macer	HAHAHAH	03:28
Macer	avatar the cartoon is great	03:28
Macer	omg the earth bending girl cracks me up	03:28
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Funnyfacemob	I just can't explain how much more I like my N900 than my old htc tytn II.. that device was the dumbest thing I ever spent my money on :>	03:34
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luke-jr	Funnyfacemob: the opposite for me	03:38
acidjazz	yoyoyo	03:38
acidjazz	any1 in here get android on their mameo yet?	03:38
luke-jr	I liked my C760 more than my N810, which was the dumbest thing I ever spent my money on :p	03:38
acidjazz	maemo*	03:39
luke-jr	acidjazz: that's a contradiction	03:39
acidjazz	on their n900	03:39
acidjazz	sorry	03:39
luke-jr	also, Android sucks	03:39
luke-jr	#NITdroid for Android fanboys	03:39
acidjazz	lol its the best phone os next to maemo	03:40
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luke-jr	acidjazz: they both suck	03:42
luke-jr	and N900 isn't a phone	03:43
ptl	and windows isn't an OS	03:43
acidjazz	this isnt irc	03:44
luke-jr	fail	03:44
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DocScrutinizer	Dima202: ok, so when do you say the AV signal turns black?	03:56
Funnyfacemob	yeah the N900 is a phone whether you want to accept it as one or not :P	03:56
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luke-jr	Funnyfacemob: nope	03:58
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Funnyfacemob	anyway what is wrong with the N900?	04:00
luke-jr	it's junk :P	04:01
luke-jr	too small	04:01
Funnyfacemob	I can only think of one thing I'd like to add to it, and that's 2 hardware buttons on the front panel, which can be used without the keyboard	04:01
luke-jr	too closed	04:01
luke-jr	etc	04:01
Funnyfacemob	the size makes it fit well in your pocket as a phone, while still having a decent portable OS	04:02
luke-jr	well I don't want a phone	04:03
luke-jr	N8x0 fit in my pocket fine	04:03
luke-jr	as did C760	04:03
luke-jr	without the insane small screen	04:03
Funnyfacemob	yeah but it's not junk, being in the category it is :P	04:03
luke-jr	Nokia doesn't put it in the phone category last I checked	04:03
luke-jr	it's in the tablet category	04:03
luke-jr	or handheld category	04:04
Funnyfacemob	it's a bit like saying "my laptop sucks as a phone because it's too large to fit in my pocket"	04:04
luke-jr	except N900 isn't supposed to be a phone	04:04
luke-jr	most NITs don't even have a cell modem	04:04
Funnyfacemob	well for the average "I just want a good phone" type of people they'd be disappointed and find it hard to navigate simply because the phone stuff is too hidden away	04:05
luke-jr	I'm still waiting for a decent successor to C760	04:06
DocScrutinizer	Dima202: video from AV 'works' (well it's the usual crap with only 65535 colors making faces look like painted with a big brush, it's jumpy and red is way too saturated)	04:06
DocScrutinizer	but it's not black after maybe 10 minutes now	04:07
DocScrutinizer	Dima202: so I'll finish watching that movie now	04:08
Funnyfacemob	also regarding the "too closed" part, I haven't looked too much into it, but I guess if you stripped maemo down to just the gpl licensed stuff, you'd still have a decent OS	04:08
Funnyfacemob	installing open source stuff to replace the junk	04:08
luke-jr	Funnyfacemob: if you stripped it down to only the Free parts, you wouldn't have anything that worked period	04:08
Funnyfacemob	no idea about the drivers	04:08
DocScrutinizer	Dima202: maybe your TV has problem with the 2.25:1 cinemascope format?	04:09
luke-jr	the closed junk is not replacable unless Nokia releases specs	04:09
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: uhuh	04:09
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budfive	anybody using an invisibleshield for an n900?	04:11
Funnyfacemob	I wish I had because I made a small scratch the other week	04:11
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budfive	:)	04:12
Funnyfacemob	nothing major, can't see it unless I look for it, but it's annoying to know that it is there :(	04:12
budfive	well, if anybody installed one, is there any trick to preventing liquid from entering the speaker?	04:12
Funnyfacemob	doesn't it just cling to the screen the same way as the original screen protector did?	04:14
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budfive	there's a liquid spray involved in the installations	04:19
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Funnyfacemob	hmm no idea. maybe don't spray too much on? :P	04:22
Funnyfacemob	and hold it so any excess liquid doesn't run into the spaker	04:23
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LiraNuna	all my application catalogs are gone	04:46
Scifi_	Hi, Is there a way to know how many times an app is downloaded/installed from a repository?	04:46
SpeedEvil	Scifi_: yes	04:47
SpeedEvil	http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras	04:47
SpeedEvil	frals cheats though by pushing a new update every 8 or 9 seconds.	04:48
crashanddie	GAN900: fail, TF2 not available on mac yet	04:49
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Scifi_	SpeedEvil: Thats what I need. Thank you :)	04:49
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SpeedEvil	To get a number for an app, you need to correlate the above graph with the release versions, and come up with a function that decomposes the superposition of all of the versions downloads into one number of users.	04:50
SpeedEvil	this is tricky	04:50
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Funnyfacemob	are there any reliable estimates of how many N900 units nokia has sold?	04:52
Scifi_	I am not looking at processing that data automatically. Just for reference.	04:53
LiraNuna	all my application catalogs are gone, what are the default ones?	04:54
SpeedEvil	http://repository.maemo.org/	04:55
SpeedEvil	hmm	04:55
LiraNuna	I did the update	04:56
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LiraNuna	Chromium and LED Pattern editor	04:56
LiraNuna	and the update failed because of slow network	04:56
LiraNuna	after I tried to update again, all the catalogs are gone	04:56
SpeedEvil	odd	04:57
SpeedEvil	First I would try a reboot.	04:57
SpeedEvil	does 'application catalogs' show null?	04:57
LiraNuna	nope, empty	04:57
LiraNuna	only the [NEW] button is there	04:58
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LiraNuna	let me try and reboot	04:58
LiraNuna	I didn't reboot the phone in months	04:58
Funnyfacemob	really? mine reboots by itself :p	05:00
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LiraNuna	that worked, weird	05:04
LiraNuna	thanks SpeedEvil	05:04
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SpeedEvil	odd	05:07
asj	even	05:07
SpeedEvil	I blame solar flares.	05:07
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LiraNuna	wow, Opera is impressive	05:12
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SpeedEvil	is it not in repo?	05:13
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pexi-	how impressive?	05:13
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LiraNuna	pexi-, worth installing	05:13
LiraNuna	faster than microB	05:13
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pexi-	hmm.. how about js-engine?	05:14
LiraNuna	http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/downloads/appsdown/1409-unofficial-return-of-opera-mobile-to-maemo-devices-after-more-than-a-3-years-of-absence	05:14
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SpeedEvil	ah	05:14
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LiraNuna	very impressive - worth installing	05:15
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LiraNuna	checking if it supports flash now	05:15
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pexi-	LiraNuna, does it have any device api support like geolocation (gps) or orientation?	05:16
LiraNuna	orientation - YES	05:16
LiraNuna	very well too	05:16
pigeon	no flash yet i thought	05:16
LiraNuna	didn't check geolocation	05:16
SpeedEvil	'no flash or other plugins'	05:16
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LiraNuna	ah, yeah	05:17
LiraNuna	youtube isn't working	05:17
pexi-	kernel driver for rotation, I see	05:17
LiraNuna	let's check geolocation	05:17
LiraNuna	hahaha	05:18
LiraNuna	google maps mobile says	05:18
LiraNuna	"Your current location is unavailable in Safari"	05:18
dougt	LiraNuna: try: http://people.mozilla.org/~dougt/demos/geo.html	05:18
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pigeon	do you know how to zoom in/out in opera?	05:19
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LiraNuna	pigeon, click and hold	05:19
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LiraNuna	as in	05:20
LiraNuna	long tap	05:20
pigeon	thanks, double tap also works	05:20
LiraNuna	double tap works as well	05:20
LiraNuna	hehe	05:20
LiraNuna	Opera is very impressive	05:20
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SpeedEvil	No flash.	05:22
SpeedEvil	DEALBRAKER.	05:22
pigeon	heh	05:22
pigeon	the default browser is the only one that can do flash at the moment i thought	05:23
ds3	would you like NAND or NOR? ;)	05:23
SpeedEvil	MLC	05:23
SpeedEvil	pigeon: and fennec IIRC	05:23
SpeedEvil	Or was that firefox	05:23
pigeon	really?	05:23
pigeon	i installed firefox, but still haven't used it.	05:23
pigeon	also wondering about midori.	05:23
LiraNuna	<SpeedEvil> DEALBRAKER.	05:24
LiraNuna	dude it's alpha	05:24
SpeedEvil	firefox is regrettably slow.	05:24
LiraNuna	^	05:24
SpeedEvil	I know.	05:24
LiraNuna	I'm impressed with it as an alpha	05:24
Funnyfacemob	I used both iceweasel and some hmm "ephiphany"? browser with debian and I think they are both about as fast as microb even though they are not really optimized for this hardware	05:25
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LiraNuna	25301ms +/- 6.4%	05:27
pigeon	well my firefox doesn't have flash installed.	05:27
Funnyfacemob	hmm I was going to come up with a point to that but I forgot what I was going to say	05:27
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LiraNuna	flash 9 is annoyingly slow on N900	05:29
LiraNuna	I hope 10.1 will speed things up	05:29
Funnyfacemob	I hope HTML5 will speed things up	05:29
Funnyfacemob	let's get rid of the shitty flash once and for all	05:30
ds3	this is amazing what a difference locking to GSM/EGPRS makes on the battery life	05:30
LiraNuna	yeah, 3G is a battery whore	05:30
LiraNuna	even more than wifi	05:30
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SpeedEvil	Wifi uses lots of power only when not powersaving really.	05:32
ds3	EGPRS/GSM seems to have increased my battery life 2-3x	05:33
SpeedEvil	Idle with a decent powersaving router having it on and allowing ssh in adds maybe .1% battery drain per hour	05:33
ds3	WiFi doesn't seem to impact battery life, AFAICT	05:33
SpeedEvil	ds3: It does - it's not easily noticable though.	05:33
ds3	I have mail checks every 30minutes along with IM in the background	05:33
SpeedEvil	ds3: It's something like 150 hours live vs 130	05:34
SpeedEvil	life	05:34
Funnyfacemob	well I notice a difference with wifi	05:34
ds3	SpreedEvil: nod it is down in the noise	05:34
Funnyfacemob	no idea what power saving modes my AP supports though	05:34
SpeedEvil	Funnyface: do you have your powersaving mode set to ma?	05:34
SpeedEvil	max?	05:34
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Funnyfacemob	it's a WRT54GL that I haven't installed DDWRT on yet	05:35
Funnyfacemob	on the N900 or AP?	05:35
SpeedEvil	I have a wrt54g that I need to hook back up	05:35
SpeedEvil	AP	05:35
SpeedEvil	err	05:35
SpeedEvil	the n900 has to have it set to max	05:35
SpeedEvil	the AP has to support it too, or it won't work	05:35
SpeedEvil	It's a low-level driver function as I understand it, not something ddwrt might help	05:36
Funnyfacemob	can't remember.. I remember seeing the settings	05:36
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: are you there?	05:37
Dima202	Sorry i stepped out	05:37
Funnyfacemob	actually I might have disabled it on the N900 because I was trying to get it working with a messed up adhoc network	05:38
Funnyfacemob	where were those settings again?	05:38
SpeedEvil	Funnyface: settings -> internet - > select the connect - and it's at the end IIRC	05:39
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Funnyfacemob	ah ok. well I don't have the network saved like that, I just bring up a list of broadcasting networks and connect :P	05:40
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Funnyfacemob	I will take a look at it when I get back home, atm I am at a place where I don't know the AP password if I get disconnected	05:41
N900evil	nonpowersaving uses stupid power.	05:42
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N900evil	1/6th bat per hour	05:42
Funnyfacemob	hehe yes, adhoc showed me that	05:42
Funnyfacemob	immediate improvement as soon as my WRT54GL arrived	05:42
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kantlivelong	ping MohammadAG hai	05:46
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kantlivelong	MohammadAG: if you get this can you ping me @ kant_mobile.. thx	05:50
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SpeedEvil	opera looks very interesting	05:58
SpeedEvil	It is in some places lots faster than microb	05:59
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Dima202	I've heard Opera release for n900, any good?	06:24
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SpeedEvil	It's somewhat faster in places.	06:25
SpeedEvil	And some interesting touches	06:25
Dima202	I'll try it then	06:26
SpeedEvil	if it had flash - it would be an interesting alternative	06:26
Dima202	aww now flash :(	06:26
SpeedEvil	many sites I'm on pretty much require flash	06:26
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Dima202	no hack to enable it like on firefox?	06:27
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ajf_	rename swc\|666 swc	06:27
ajf_	save	06:27
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swc\|666	rename ajf_ ajf_biteme; commit	06:28
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Dima202	wow opera is very attractive	06:38
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Dima202	goodnight	06:44
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pigeon	hmm, how come they say the front camera on the n900 isn't working?	07:43
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pigeon	or they just mean it's not being used by any apps	07:46
luke-jr	they mean if you take a picture of them, they will stab your N900 through the camera	07:47
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ajf_	save	07:48
luke-jr	rename ajf_ idiot	07:50
luke-jr	save	07:50
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RST38h	delete *	07:55
RST38h	exit	07:55
RST38h	moo wazd	07:55
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swc\|666	luke-jr, +1	08:03
swc\|666	idiot is right	08:03
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RST38h	Germans To Get Fined For Not Securing Wi-Fi Networks	08:07
swc\|666	64-bit wep ftw	08:08
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rektide	haha word swc\|666	08:14
rektide	kwality	08:14
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swc\|666	lol	08:17
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opdf2	anyone in chicago T-Mobile?	08:18
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dotblank	omg.. steam for linux is official	08:36
luke-jr	and worthless	08:38
microlith	did valve announce it?	08:38
tank-man	"app store"	08:39
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njsf_	OMG no PR 1.2 yet :)	08:39
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tank-man	speaking of steam ... "Today, nosy PC gamers discovered that the version of Rockstar Games' Max Payne 2 being sold through Valve's Steam service looked an awful lot like the one released by pirate group Myth"	08:42
TigerTael	lol	08:43
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rockstar_	hmm	09:57
* rockstar_ wonders why he's running pr1.2rc		09:57
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Dassu	oke, so my n900 headphones just broke. Well, they lasted for 5 months, imho that's pretty good.	10:08
Dassu	Fucking pisses me of that no manufacotrer can't produce a wire that actually witstands	10:08
Dassu	*manufacturer	10:09
Dassu	*withstands	10:09
alterego	Dassu: I had some really nice sony headphones that broke a couple of months ago, had them for two years, used them every day :(	10:09
alterego	I've been looking for the same model, but I can't find 'em anymore :'(	10:09
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jacekowski	Dassu: they can	10:12
hrw-uds	hi	10:12
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alterego	Nokia headphones are cheap and rubbish though IMO,	10:12
jacekowski	Dassu: but do you want to carry 10mm^2 wire with you?	10:12
alterego	Dassu: get a bluetooth set :D	10:12
jacekowski	or	10:13
jacekowski	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Wire_Armoured_(SWA)_Cable	10:13
jacekowski	that would withstand it	10:13
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arachnist	Dassu: get good bluetooth headphones	10:27
arachnist	Dassu: like the sennheiser mm100	10:27
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RST38h	<yawn>	10:31
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gerrymoth	G	10:34
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gerrymoth	Oh not been on irc for awhile. Thing to remember how to use again :D	10:35
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RST38h	gerry: the most important command is /sign	10:36
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ajf_	save	10:40
gerrymoth	Rst38h: remind me what that does? :D	10:40
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Stskeeps	wow	10:56
Stskeeps	they got usb host working on n900	10:56
petteri	link	10:57
petteri	:)	10:57
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Stskeeps	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852	10:59
petteri	thansk	10:59
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arachnist	cool	11:00
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hrw-uds	ooo	11:01
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stranger_	Stskeeps, ya, link please	11:07
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stranger_	oops	11:07
RST38h	tmo is dead again	11:09
stranger_	is there a list of software in repositories somewhere in the web?	11:12
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RST38h	yes.	11:14
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stranger_	RST38h, any link?	11:16
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t3st	bah	11:19
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MohammadAG	(just trying to work out how that bot works)	11:20
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ajf_	rename AD-N770 josep_torra	11:26
ajf_	save	11:26
AD-N770	ajf: why do you want rename me?	11:27
stranger_	if something went wrong during flashing and the N900 was bricked. is there a way to 'restore' it back to factory condition?	11:28
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pupnik	hey AD-N770	11:29
AD-N770	hi pupnik	11:29
X-Fade	stranger_: Just flash it again.	11:29
Stskeeps	ajf_: that's a rather lame script	11:30
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alturiak	looks like bitlbee-commands to me	11:43
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hrw-uds	~curse people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices	12:25
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices !	12:25
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SpeedEvil	Stskeeps: awesome	12:39
SpeedEvil	egoshin++	12:39
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wall[e]	seriously, must build a theme...	12:46
wall[e]	where are moods?	12:46
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ajf_	rename b0unc3 b0unc3	12:51
ajf_	save	12:51
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b0unc3	ajf_, ?	12:52
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pupnik	http://www.davidrevoy.com/?article25/mypaint-request << interesting - an artist's view on what needs doing for mypaint	12:59
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Wizzup	Is there a way to change the way the mount points are set up a bit? My / is constantly at 100%, while /dev/mmcblk0p2 is at 41%. I know how to change mount points, but I couldn't find a wiki page with a recommended setup	13:03
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SpeedEvil	/ is on a seperate device	13:04
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SpeedEvil	the stock firmware will not boot if you copy the filesystem to mmc, and try to boot it	13:05
SpeedEvil	find can be of use	13:05
SpeedEvil	install gnu findutils	13:05
Wizzup	I have find :)	13:05
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SpeedEvil	find / -mount -mtime -20	13:06
SpeedEvil	will find all files altered every 20 days ago	13:06
SpeedEvil	add -size +200k - and you get a list of largish new files	13:06
Wizzup	well, it isn't particulary new, I've had this for quite a while, will try the size opt	13:07
Wizzup	mainly /var/lib/apt and and /var/lib/dpkg	13:07
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Wizzup	is it not possible to mount /var/lib/ to the other storage device?	13:08
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SpeedEvil	the cache files can be nuked	13:08
SpeedEvil	I think lib can be moved	13:08
Wizzup	moved, as in mounted to a diff folder with bind?	13:10
SpeedEvil	yes	13:10
Wizzup	Nokia-N900-02-8 lib # du -sh .	13:10
Wizzup	52M.	13:10
Wizzup	aha	13:10
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Wizzup	Thanks	13:12
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SpeedEvil	15m herr	13:13
pupnik	wow linapple is loud	13:13
BCMM	somewhat OT: how much should it cost to insure an N900 in the UK?	13:14
SpeedEvil	BCMM: 50 quid/year	13:14
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BCMM	buying off the nokia website gives you three months free insurance and an automatic direct debit to start paying 6 a month afterwards if you don't cancell	13:16
BCMM	be warned	13:16
SpeedEvil	It diddn't for me	13:17
BCMM	wonder if they can be pressured into not partnering with mobile phones direct?	13:17
BCMM	SpeedEvil: well did for me...	13:17
BCMM	ordered around easter with t-mobile contract	13:17
* Wizzup reboots phone now and hopes everything goes fine		13:18
BCMM	50/pa including theft, damage?	13:18
SpeedEvil	BCMM: bought outright	13:19
SpeedEvil	BCMM: yes	13:19
BCMM	SpeedEvil: what about water damage?	13:19
SpeedEvil	http://www.cusc.co.uk/phones/faq	13:20
BCMM	also, with which company? looks like i'm ringing to cancel this one and whine about being signed up for it	13:20
BCMM	they gave very good deal with t-mobile	13:21
SpeedEvil	google it.	13:21
BCMM	perhaps they intend to make it up in ripoff insurance	13:21
SpeedEvil	There are a few insurers that will insure already purchased phones.	13:21
Wizzup	SpeedEvil: It seems to hang on boot	13:21
* Wizzup investigates		13:21
SpeedEvil	t-mobile have their own insurance that will cover phones contracted to them.	13:22
SpeedEvil	Wizzup: ?	13:22
BCMM	i think ensleigh can do it as part of house contents	13:22
Wizzup	SpeedEvil: after I added a mount line to /etc/fstab to the /var/lib mount	13:22
BCMM	SpeedEvil: included in contract or extra?	13:22
Corsac	hmhm, did someone try to reduce vm.swappiness?	13:22
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BCMM	SpeedEvil: i don't really understand contracts; t-mobile doesn't do n900 or know about it on website	13:23
SpeedEvil	Wizzup: yes - it's easy to screw it up	13:23
BCMM	but mobile phones direct sells t-mobile contracts with an n900...	13:24
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SpeedEvil	BCMM: Look round t-mobiles site - see if there is an option to get insurance through them.	13:24
SpeedEvil	Compare the rest of the market too for accidental damage/loss insurance - consder what risks you want insurance for	13:24
Wizzup	SpeedEvil: easy to fix, too? ;)	13:24
jacekowski	carphone warehouse sells N900 with tmbile contract	13:24
SpeedEvil	Wizzup: Well - flash it.	13:25
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frals	hmm hmm	13:25
jacekowski	i don'think they sell it directly	13:25
jacekowski	and it's sold unlocked btw	13:25
SpeedEvil	Wizzup: flashing nukes all installed apps - but not your homedir	13:25
Wizzup	eh, I'd rather not	13:25
frals	is there any qt widget that is like a notification but stays on tophalf of the screen until dismissed?	13:25
* Wizzup will mess around more		13:25
* frals steals a look at w00t_		13:26
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BCMM	i do wonder wht i actually need	13:26
lcuk	STOP THIEF!	13:26
* w00t_ looks at frals		13:26
BCMM	i only broke a phone once	13:26
BCMM	but i never had one worth stealing before	13:26
* frals trouts lcuk		13:27
SpeedEvil	BCMM: Read your home insurance policy - if you ahve one. Some can - or can be upgraded to - cover some aspects of phone problems.	13:27
lcuk	hiya frals w00t_ \o	13:27
BCMM	and it has a camera and so on so will come out of pocket more	13:27
frals	i suspect i would have to do my own widget based on xq11embedcontainer or something	13:27
w00t_	frals: QMaemo5InformationBox?	13:27
BCMM	SpeedEvil: yeah, ensleigh can	13:27
BCMM	proabably will do expensive phones too cause they'll do laptops	13:28
frals	w00t_: ah, i could try with that i guess! ty	13:28
w00t_	frals: :)	13:28
frals	but id prefer something like androids pushnotifications or what they call it, but i suspect there is no such widget by default	13:29
w00t_	I have no idea what it does, never used android	13:29
SpeedEvil	BCMM: I think I was looking at cusc phoneguard.	13:29
frals	w00t_: or rather, something like this on symbian http://dailymobile.se/2009/08/15/truecaller-free-caller-id-application-for-symbian-s60v3-s60v5-and-windows-mobile/	13:31
frals	(first 5 seconds)	13:31
Corsac	Aard: /win goto #meego	13:31
Corsac	mnhknmhk	13:31
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w00t_	frals: which part of it?	13:32
w00t_	:p	13:32
frals	the part that shows "searching for ..." and then shows information when it calls	13:32
frals	ie overlays on the call ui	13:32
frals	sorry for not being clear, just woke up!	13:32
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frals	also lcuk stole all my bacon	13:33
w00t_	I don't think I've seen anything like that	13:33
lcuk	no i didnt	13:33
lcuk	i havent had bacon in about a fortnight now :'(	13:33
w00t_	mmmm bacon	13:33
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oscillik	this is damn good bacon http://bit.ly/bXbO3o	13:40
oscillik	i'm very picky with bacon	13:40
lcuk	oscillik, http://xkcd.com/737/	13:41
lcuk	theres another problem with it - theres only 5 rashers there :p	13:42
oscillik	lcuk: heh i remember that one :p and yeah, the bacon doesn't last long. but it's damn good	13:44
Wizzup	SpeedEvil, flashing now. I just find it really weird the / is set up like this - installing a just a few apps very quickly fills it up to 100%, and after that has happened, I can't install more apps and such	13:44
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oscillik	i <3 my minidisc recorder	13:47
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phellarv	Wizzup: Well - All debs should really be optified.	13:48
phellarv	maemo-optify-deb	13:48
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Wizzup	phellarv: Right - but isn't /opt/ mounted on the small device as well?	13:48
phellarv	Wizzup: Nope	13:48
Wizzup	I'll check in a bit	13:49
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phellarv	Wizzup:	13:49
phellarv	Nokia-N900-02-8:/opt# df /opt	13:49
phellarv	Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on	13:49
phellarv	/dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1048468 910884 54% /home	13:49
SpeedEvil	opt is on the 2g /home	13:49
phellarv	Hehe	13:50
Wizzup	ok	13:50
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phellarv	Wizzup: /opt is really a symlink	13:50
SpeedEvil	And any applications installable through HAM should be optified with a few K at most on /	13:50
Wizzup	HAM?	13:50
phellarv	Hildon Application Manager	13:50
Wizzup	ok	13:50
Wizzup	well I did use apt-get quite a lot ... :)	13:51
phellarv	Same sources	13:51
omar	there's no way to play mkv files is there? mplayer not working for me	13:51
phellarv	Or - Almost	13:51
phellarv	omar: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40784	13:52
phellarv	omar: But not all mkv-files. Dunno which is supported or which is not.	13:53
phellarv	afk	13:53
omar	i see thanks phellarv	13:53
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pigeon	can you zoom in/out in the default n900 photo viewer?	13:53
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thresh	I can	13:53
smoku	pigeon, use the zoom buttons	13:53
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pigeon	smoku: ah, hardware buttons, thank you	13:54
smoku	so obvious that it's impossible to come up with ;-)	13:55
pupnik	where did usleep() go?	13:55
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asj	CONFORMING TO	14:00
asj	4.3BSD, POSIX.1-2001. POSIX.1-2001 declares this function obsolete; use nanosleep(2) instead.	14:00
asj	POSIX.1-2008 removes the specification of usleep().	14:00
asj	good to know :)	14:00
pupnik	ty ty	14:00
pupnik	the slower i get, the faster things change	14:01
asj	I didn't know it was deprecated either, interesting to know	14:02
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pupnik	why does it want two params? :)	14:03
asj	read the man page, it's a pita function compared to usleep	14:04
pupnik	http://www.braingames.getput.com/nether/default.asp << for RST38h	14:04
asj	(well not really since it can be null, but there's more caveats)	14:04
asj	lol, read up on clock_nanosleep(2)	14:04
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pupnik	i just want to s/usleep(100)/SOMETHING and move on...	14:06
asj	pupnik: nanosleep isn't that bad	14:07
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pupnik	good grief this is confusing	14:21
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DocScrutinizer	moo	14:27
SpeedEvil	oom	14:27
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SpeedEvil	:)	14:27
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852 now you got the stick to poke at nokia	14:27
Stskeeps	yeah, i saw	14:28
DocScrutinizer	make them send me a NDA and then the BME source	14:28
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* SpeedEvil passes Stskeeps a 3m long branch of hawthorne.		14:29
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: and a spare N900 ;-P	14:29
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timeless_mbp	pupnik: actually, nanosleep is friendly :)	14:39
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timeless_mbp	it lets you easily handle the case that someone was annoying and woke you early	14:39
* DocScrutinizer sighs over noticing that egoshin's results are basically not really anything beyond what is shown to work in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635293&postcount=685 but then that's just 2 weeks ago		14:40
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Slai	hey	14:41
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DocScrutinizer	and especially in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687	14:42
DocScrutinizer	we're still using OTG	14:43
SpeedEvil	hmm	14:43
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SpeedEvil	I think the enumeration reports were new?	14:43
Slai	anyone have a clue as to why the power key menu wont display anything except Phone? dont mean to intrude in the conversation or anything =/	14:44
SpeedEvil	Slai: sensible questions are always welcome.	14:44
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: hmm, maybe	14:44
timeless_mbp	Slai: eh?	14:44
timeless_mbp	do you mean you really have a menu w/ only one item?	14:44
SpeedEvil	Slai: I'm unsure. That sounds odd.	14:44
timeless_mbp	the menu is controlled by a series of (pluggable) xml files	14:44
Slai	yes	14:44
timeless_mbp	each file provides a set of rules for when to show what	14:44
SpeedEvil	Slai: my first attempt would be to reboot, and see if it fixes it.	14:45
Slai	i edited systemui.xml to display the reboot button	14:45
timeless_mbp	thus there are a couple of obvious reasons for things to go bad :)	14:45
SpeedEvil	Slai: have you installed anything ...	14:45
SpeedEvil	ah	14:45
timeless_mbp	see!	14:45
Slai	which worked fine	14:45
SpeedEvil	that'll do it	14:45
timeless_mbp	you probably broke the xml file :)	14:45
SpeedEvil	yeah	14:45
Slai	hehe probably	14:45
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: nota bene I had no device connected to enumerate, when http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687 happened	14:45
Slai	but it doesnt appear borked at all	14:45
SpeedEvil	restore the file from the backup that you made.	14:45
SpeedEvil	See if it fixes it	14:45
Slai	i did, thats when shit hit the fan	14:45
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: yes	14:46
Slai	so i took another guys xml file which works for him	14:46
Slai	still nothing changed.	14:46
timeless_mbp	did you reboot?	14:46
timeless_mbp	because the file isn't treated as dynamic	14:46
Slai	countless times	14:46
timeless_mbp	it's read by an app at boot	14:46
Slai	=)	14:46
timeless_mbp	along w/ a bunch of other things	14:46
* timeless_mbp changes the strings that those things use and of course that requires a reboot		14:47
timeless_mbp	personally, if i were tech support i'd say "reflash"	14:47
Slai	yeah, i rebooted after any change made	14:47
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timeless_mbp	what you're doing is for people who know what they're doing :)	14:47
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timeless_mbp	if you broke it, … :)	14:47
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timeless_mbp	(and yes, i've manually hand edited those files)	14:48
Slai	yeah problem is i dont have any computer, so unless i can reflash from the device itself that wont happen =P	14:48
timeless_mbp	find a friend ;-)	14:48
SpeedEvil	...	14:48
Slai	hehe	14:48
timeless_mbp	make friend	14:49
SpeedEvil	I would really not screw with stuff without a computer.	14:49
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timeless_mbp	find friend	14:49
timeless_mbp	your n900 probably doesn't have make, but it should have find ! :)	14:49
SpeedEvil	timeless_mbp: find: `friend': No such file or directory	14:49
Slai	hehehe	14:49
timeless_mbp	find /a friend	14:49
timeless_mbp	that works on emergency solaris systems where /a is a mount point :)	14:50
Slai	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52499 <- shows the systemui.xml im using	14:50
timeless_mbp	Slai: load the xml file in the browser	14:50
SpeedEvil	I suppose the bootmenu would be a sort-of-solution to many causes of bricking it	14:50
timeless_mbp	if it complains, fix it until the browser stops complaining	14:50
SpeedEvil	well - near bricking	14:50
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RST38h	EHLO maemopunks	14:51
Slai	well aint i the sad panda	14:52
timeless_mbp	421 Please come back in 2040 seconds.	14:52
Wizzup	hm... Why does HAM see less apps than apt-cache? I'd really like git back	14:53
Slai	but the xml file itself looks to be fine, right?	14:53
timeless_mbp	Wizzup: ham shows apps in section: user/*	14:54
timeless_mbp	if your app isn't in user/* then it won't be shown	14:54
timeless_mbp	things like git typically aren't in user/*	14:54
Wizzup	So just install with apt-get then?	14:54
timeless_mbp	Slai: did you try loading your local version in the browser on your device?	14:54
RST38h	yes	14:54
timeless_mbp	Wizzup: .	14:54
* DocScrutinizer laughs at timeless_mbp working in graylist mode now		14:55
DocScrutinizer	lo RST38h	14:55
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RST38h	OMG THEY RENAMED THE	15:00
RST38h	MAEMO MAPPER	15:00
* SpeedEvil tries to understand rtmpdump.		15:00
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ajf_	rename Jophish_n900 joe_h	15:01
ajf_	save	15:01
timeless_mbp	RST38h: where?	15:01
DocScrutinizer	ajf_: YOU SUCK!!	15:02
DocScrutinizer	;-P	15:02
Stskeeps	i vote for a +q as well by now :P	15:02
DocScrutinizer	ajf_: no matter if robot or not, fix your script or accept +q	15:03
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Stskeeps	has been going on for quite a while	15:03
Arkenoi	now there are two packages named mapper?	15:03
DocScrutinizer	well, let's start gentle but noticable	15:04
timeless_mbp	anyone here familiar w/ cairo?	15:04
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E0x	morning	15:07
DocScrutinizer	'ning	15:07
E0x	usb stick mount in n900 YAY !	15:08
* pupnik keeps his things happily hidden from user/* :D		15:08
DocScrutinizer	yayaya	15:08
pupnik	yaay for DocScrutinizer	15:08
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DocScrutinizer	c'mon shall I take a laptop with me, to connect the N900 to its USB while 'echo host >mode' - to enable mounting a USB stick?	15:09
DocScrutinizer	closely check egoshin's procedure	15:09
DocScrutinizer	it's basically useless, and that's because we not yet entered generic hostmode. That's still OTG	15:10
E0x	DocScrutinizer: but they are almost close	15:10
E0x	to a nice solution for host mode	15:10
DocScrutinizer	who's "they"?	15:10
E0x	egoshin , jorge , etc	15:10
Stskeeps	well, otg is a big step :P	15:10
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corecode_	where is the difference to generic hostmode?	15:11
* Stskeeps is perfectly fine with otg		15:11
DocScrutinizer	E0x: checked my cloak?	15:11
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: OTG won't work	15:11
E0x	oh	15:11
E0x	:D	15:11
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: .. because?	15:11
lbt	needs soldering	15:11
Stskeeps	in device or outside?	15:11
DocScrutinizer	as OTG needs an insane abuse of VBUS for "data transfer"	15:11
Stskeeps	even with powered hub?	15:12
DocScrutinizer	yep	15:12
Stskeeps	meh, okay :P	15:12
Stskeeps	it's still a plus	15:12
* lbt recalls seeing that in a bug recently		15:12
DocScrutinizer	OTG depends on BOTH devices know how to talk it	15:12
DocScrutinizer	and they use glitches and voltage probing (for sensing capacitor size etc) on VBUS	15:13
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DocScrutinizer	that's why I think OTG will never work corretly on N900, even if we ignore the incompatibility of micro-B-receptacle with OTG specs	15:14
DocScrutinizer	disclaimer: this parts of OTG specs are so complex I forgot 4/5 of it and only remember it's insane and useless	15:15
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Pillum	hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ?	15:15
E0x	heh	15:15
DocScrutinizer	baseline: we DO NOT WANT OTG - we want generic hostmode	15:16
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Stskeeps	but it's still one way to get usb sticks on your n900.	15:16
Stskeeps	or other things	15:16
E0x	or only can generic hostmode	15:16
Pillum	wants a full hd beamer in his n900	15:16
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: yes, with the help of a PC nearby	15:16
Stskeeps	i mean, we did OTG in the n810	15:16
* satmd waves at sts		15:16
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: why needing a pc, fwiw?	15:17
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corecode_	i'd like serial port via usb	15:17
corecode_	so that i can read my dive computer	15:17
Pillum	hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ?	15:17
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: check egoshin's detailed procedure description	15:17
corecode_	without having to bring a laptop	15:17
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: he connects USB to PC, then does a few 'magic incantations', then swaps USB to his device to attach	15:18
E0x	corecode_: that would be very nice ( serial port connection via usb )	15:18
corecode_	E0x: well, i have a serial usb data cable	15:19
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: AIUI he forces N900 OTG state machine into a pathologic state	15:19
corecode_	E0x: so usb would be good	15:19
E0x	i mean in the n900	15:19
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: yes, still cool and a step on the way	15:19
corecode_	if you can bitbang the lines of the usb or headphone out?	15:19
corecode_	hmmmm	15:19
pupnik	-Os Pure CPU MHz:9.9 -O3 +pupnikflags Pure CPU MHz:15.1	15:19
corecode_	HMMM	15:20
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corecode_	that would be interesting	15:20
corecode_	bitbang on the headphone out	15:20
BCMM	is there a technical reason that one couldn't construct a device which appears as a USB host on both sides, as it were?	15:20
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: don't worry, it will come in a few weeks	15:20
BCMM	i'm sure the driver would be pretty weird and wonderful	15:20
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: host mode?	15:20
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: or headphone bitbang	15:20
BCMM	and performance would probably not be nice	15:20
BCMM	but is there a reason it's not possible?	15:20
RST38h	yes	15:21
BCMM	(and it would need it's own power source)	15:21
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: btw bitbanging on headphone out isn't rhat weird an idea - I like it	15:21
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corecode_	DocScrutinizer: i know	15:21
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: hostmode will come	15:21
Slai	loaded the systemui.xml into browser and it yells at me	15:21
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: yea, good job everybody involved	15:21
corecode_	the headphone out can do video, no?	15:21
corecode_	or where does the video out get connected	15:21
DocScrutinizer	yep, as well	15:21
Slai	yeah, its av out	15:21
corecode_	oh serial bitbang, now i like it even more	15:22
DocScrutinizer	huh?	15:22
corecode_	headphone bitbang	15:22
corecode_	boink boink	15:22
Slai	xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path "/">	15:23
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: the headphones amp is a D-type without decoupling capacitors or any form of DC suppression (which gave Nokia decent headache with fried speakers btw ;-P), so you actually could 'bitbang' to AV-jack via audio device	15:24
Slai	any ideas whats up?	15:24
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corecode_	heh, just audio bitbang	15:25
corecode_	even easier	15:25
DocScrutinizer	ooh wait, seems I'm mixing headset jack and nternal speakers	15:25
corecode_	and quite insane	15:25
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corecode_	are there rx51 schematics around?	15:25
DocScrutinizer	sorry, coffee didn't kick in yet	15:25
DocScrutinizer	(schem) check wiki	15:25
corecode_	nm, you could also just rectify the output	15:25
RST38h	changing the name has not made maemo mapper any faster =(	15:25
corecode_	input, dunno	15:26
Slai	god damn systemui.xml...	15:26
Corsac	hmhmh	15:26
Corsac	“cellular network not available”	15:26
Corsac	that's not good	15:26
DocScrutinizer	serial input via hold-button (short mic ring of AV to GND) should work without any problems	15:26
BCMM	RST38h: maemo mapper isn't maep, is it?	15:27
Corsac	nop	15:27
Corsac	there are maep/mapper/mappero which are 3 different apps	15:27
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corecode_	the genious is that you don't need to do the timing yourself	15:27
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: yes, and of course a rectified 20KHz would suffice nicely for 300Bd	15:27
corecode_	but the audio card does it for you	15:27
smoku	Slai, path="/" maybe?	15:28
DocScrutinizer	or even 2400	15:28
BCMM	Corsac: what does it do that maep doesn't?	15:28
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smoku	Slai, XML disallows valueless attributes	15:28
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: (timing) yep, exactly	15:28
Slai	smoku i have no idea what that means =P	15:29
Corsac	BCMM: maep is pretty basic	15:29
Corsac	just display map and that's all	15:29
BCMM	yeah	15:29
Corsac	and tracking, though	15:29
BCMM	Corsac: yeah, there is tracking	15:29
Corsac	mapper/mappero are more complete, with routing and stuff like that	15:29
Corsac	heavier too	15:29
Slai	what should i put in there instead? problem is the powerkey menu only shows Phone =s	15:29
smoku	Slai, put = in place of space :P	15:29
BCMM	Corsac: and getting to compare openstreetmap with aerial photos is pretty useful	15:29
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: btw I did similar thing several times, e.g. on ZX81	15:30
BCMM	Corsac: is there a fairly simple map program that you can persistently or temporarily mark points on?	15:30
BCMM	Corsac: (like adding markers to google earth)	15:30
Slai	between what, so its powerkey=path="/" ?	15:30
smoku	<powerkeymenu path="/">	15:30
Corsac	I don't think so, but it sure would be a nice addition to maep	15:30
Slai	thats what it says =s	15:30
Corsac	(mapper/mappero can do it afair but they're heavier too)	15:31
smoku	[14:23:51] Slai: xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path "/">	15:31
smoku	where? :>	15:31
Slai	ah my bad	15:31
Slai	mistype on my end, theres an = between path and "/"	15:31
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Slai	trying to fix your device while only having your device to do so with is... a challenge. especially when you havent got the faintest idea how =P	15:33
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timeless_mbp	Slai: so was browser helpful?	15:34
Slai	hey timeless	15:35
Slai	xml parsing error: not well formed. -<powerkeymenu path="/">	15:35
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corecode_	DocScrutinizer: so the L and R channels are connected to gnd via a capacitor	15:36
timeless_mbp	is there actually a - before <powerkeymenu ?	15:36
Slai	hm yeah	15:36
timeless_mbp	in the file?	15:36
Slai	yes =/	15:36
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: hmm	15:36
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corecode_	mk too	15:36
tybollt	timeless_mbp: do you use the ovi.com services?	15:36
corecode_	multiple	15:36
timeless_mbp	tybollt: ovi has services?	15:37
corecode_	and are out only	15:37
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corecode_	fair enough	15:37
tybollt	sigh...	15:37
corecode_	mk can be switched to be outgoing	15:37
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: please do not disturb - looking into hostmode atm. Unless you have a precise question I may answer to you	15:37
Slai	timeless, i assume from your outrage that there shouldnt be?	15:37
timeless_mbp	tybollt: why?	15:37
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: nevermind then, you go make hostmode work :)	15:37
tybollt	timeless_mbp: it is confusing :)	15:37
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timeless_mbp	Slai: that was a calm and polite question :)	15:37
timeless_mbp	you'll know when i'm angry	15:37
timeless_mbp	but yes	15:38
tybollt	timeless_mbp: you usually know things like that so I figured what the hell I'll ask :)	15:38
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timeless_mbp	tybollt: oh, ask anyway	15:38
Slai	hehe ill remove that from all < then?	15:38
timeless_mbp	but i prefer to believe that ovi.com doesn't exist and doesn't have any services	15:38
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timeless_mbp	Slai: err	15:39
* timeless_mbp sighs		15:39
* timeless_mbp wants to see a movie		15:39
tybollt	timeless_mbp: ovi calendar and then there's ovi calendar beta (the latter is free for anyone, no NDA BS). Supposedly there's a way to use the calendar from ovi calendar in ovi calendar beta, but I don't know how.	15:39
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: s/see/watch/	15:39
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tybollt	\\o o// \o/	15:39
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timeless_mbp	no clue	15:40
timeless_mbp	ask sp3000	15:40
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timeless_mbp	for unknown reasons he seems willing to look at ovi services	15:40
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Slai	allright, ill assume its all aboot the -	15:41
Slai	it had them in the file i copied, ill get rid of them all and see if that helps	15:42
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timeless_mbp	Slai: you want the browser to be happy about the file	15:42
timeless_mbp	until the browser likes it, there's no point in rebooting	15:42
sp3000	well, I document bugs in ovi services in ovi share occasionally ;)	15:42
timeless_mbp	the browser is your friend :)	15:42
Slai	cool, appreciate the help, you patient demigod of rainbows and kittens you	15:43
timeless_mbp	sp3000: so, i'm going to a thing at 6pm :(	15:43
tybollt	the browser source is not timeless_mbp friend ;P	15:43
timeless_mbp	which means i can either watch something lame early (date night / from paris with love)	15:43
timeless_mbp	or try for something late	15:43
timeless_mbp	(9pm?)	15:43
timeless_mbp	:(	15:43
tybollt	timeless_mbp: hdmt.net?	15:44
timeless_mbp	how does one get 'points'?	15:44
Slai	ahahaha yeah now it has no problems with it	15:44
tybollt	timeless_mbp: there are free movies	15:44
Slai	or so it seems... hm... reboot time.	15:45
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: right most tab 'free videos'	15:45
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* RST38h killed Maemo Mapper. It took time. 40+ seconds of time. And the could not even get locked/unlocked during that time.		15:46
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* timeless_mbp wonders if that's bugmenot compatible		15:46
RST38h	Whatever that sucker does, cannot be healthy	15:47
RST38h	s/the/the device	15:47
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AstralStorm	hello	15:48
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Slai	ahaha thanks for the help.	15:48
AstralStorm	any chance of making my n810 usable?	15:48
AstralStorm	(no, don't tell me "buy an n900")	15:48
Slai	its up perfect now, it was all aboot that single -	15:48
AstralStorm	see, the old Diablo is crashing every now and then	15:49
timeless_mbp	Slai: see, the browser is your friend :)	15:49
AstralStorm	by watchdog	15:49
AstralStorm	esp. on high cpu usage	15:49
Slai	timeless is my friend	15:49
AstralStorm	so, any ideas?	15:49
Slai	thanks a bunch, been bothering me for days	15:49
AstralStorm	switching to a better distro is of course nice	15:50
Slai	and thanks for the browser tip	15:50
alterego	Looks like there will be a real "production"-like image for the N900 of meego, very cool.	15:50
AstralStorm	I know n810 is previous gen hardware	15:50
timeless_mbp	http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/red_sky_liability_ruling/	15:51
AstralStorm	so?	15:51
AstralStorm	any help there?	15:51
smoku	AstralStorm, have you tried raising watchdok kicker process priority?	15:51
Slai	and now i feel like i should go about breaking another part of my phone by doing something silly...	15:51
Stskeeps	alterego: if you mean my mail, it doesn't mean a nokia 'product'	15:51
SpeedEvil	timeless_mbp: potentially awesome - but.	15:52
alterego	Stskeeps: agreed, but it does sound like they're working hard to make something that is end-user ready at least?	15:52
SpeedEvil	timeless_mbp: I think the only precedent it might set is for software that is demonstrated by a salesperson.	15:52
alterego	Stskeeps: even if it isn't an "official" upgrade path for end-users.	15:52
Stskeeps	a proper hardware adaptation, the UX+Core is up to rest of project	15:53
SpeedEvil	timeless_mbp: Which is valuable - but not that relevant for most endusers	15:53
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AstralStorm	smoku: hmmm, isn't it RT already?	15:53
AstralStorm	if not, then I'll try it	15:54
AstralStorm	where do I put that in the init script?	15:54
AstralStorm	the renice	15:54
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AstralStorm	still, it'd be nicer if it didn't swap so hard that watchdog dies	15:54
AstralStorm	it usually crashes that way on boot	15:54
AstralStorm	hmmph	15:54
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lcuk	well Stskeeps if the apps ontop of the core are not viable the meego project has failed. its meant to allow that sort of thing?	15:55
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Stskeeps	lcuk: i don't know the future	15:55
* SpeedEvil does. But he has signed a NDA from Chronos.		15:56
lcuk	me neither but when i get round to writing apps the promise of running on multiple targets would be a goal	15:56
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tybollt	ok so this opera mobile now comming	15:57
tybollt	is that one of those silly things that talks to a proxy at opera etc? or is it opera made for a smaller screen?	15:57
lcuk	tybollt, its proper full opera browser, the turbo mode (proxy version) is available but thats not the same	15:58
lcuk	opera used to be on the original NITs	15:58
tybollt	olrite	15:58
tybollt	the 'mobile' part of opera mobile makes me suspicious :)	15:59
tybollt	since for all intents and purposes I use microb and firefuck as I would on a real PC on my device	15:59
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corecode_	DocScrutinizer: you know what chip the stereo audio codec (N4040) is?	16:00
corecode_	can't quite read the label on http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_12.jpeg	16:00
SpeedEvil	corecode_: it's documented in the kernel	16:00
SpeedEvil	aic320?	16:00
* SpeedEvil forgets		16:00
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: lemme check my notes I took	16:00
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corecode_	also check n4070 if possible	16:01
DocScrutinizer	you got the coords?	16:01
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corecode_	W2 and R3	16:01
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corecode_	both back, sim side	16:01
DocScrutinizer	mompls	16:01
corecode_	thx	16:01
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smoku	AstralStorm, I don't know. It's just a thought. I've never touch N810 ;-)	16:02
AstralStorm	still, a good suggestion once it exits the watchdog reboot loop	16:02
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smoku	AstralStorm, IIRC there are also some proc/sys tweaks that controll swapping	16:03
AstralStorm	hmm	16:03
AstralStorm	shouldn't swap at boot	16:03
AstralStorm	esp. with swap disabled	16:03
AstralStorm	but yeah, I'll try those	16:03
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RST38h	Heya AstralStorm BTW	16:03
AstralStorm	what I have problem with is where to put the tweaks, so they're applied on boot	16:03
AstralStorm	hi	16:03
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: W2: TI97A065I (with blurr mask TI97A????)	16:04
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DocScrutinizer	corecode_: R3??? that's a huge chip	16:05
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AstralStorm	so, any chance I can salvage my n810	16:05
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AstralStorm	maybe build a fresh distro for it	16:06
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: yea	16:06
Stskeeps	reinstall diablo, imho	16:06
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AstralStorm	haha	16:06
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: that's the stereo codec	16:06
AstralStorm	you wish, it's not the first diablo reinstall I've done	16:06
AstralStorm	it tends to explode quickly	16:06
corecode_	mic in has some opamp circuit	16:06
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corecode_	but i don't know opamps enough	16:06
AstralStorm	prolly not	16:06
AstralStorm	probably a single transistor amp - it's cheaper	16:07
AstralStorm	(and sucky)	16:07
SpeedEvil	transistors are no longer cheaper	16:07
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AstralStorm	still are than opamps	16:07
SpeedEvil	if you have to place them on the board in addition to a chip with the function in	16:07
SpeedEvil	nope	16:07
AstralStorm	(which are tens to hundreds of transistors)	16:07
AstralStorm	it's an IC	16:07
AstralStorm	that amp is integrated	16:08
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: from /home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg N4040 is Texas Instruments TAIC341	16:08
AstralStorm	so a single transistor is still cheaper	16:08
SpeedEvil	It's not.	16:08
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SpeedEvil	For a low price IC, a large fraction of the price is in the package and pin connections.	16:08
AstralStorm	yup	16:08
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SpeedEvil	Adding functionality is moderately cheap.	16:08
AstralStorm	still cheaper to cut the opamp	16:08
AstralStorm	and put a cheap transistor ;p	16:09
AstralStorm	connection count stays the same or lower	16:09
SpeedEvil	If an opamp costs .1mm^2, and a transistor .001mm^2 - the difference may not be functionally measurable	16:09
AstralStorm	the power usage might be	16:09
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AstralStorm	gah.	16:10
AstralStorm	how much is n900 these days?	16:10
Stskeeps	in .pl? think 2000 zt or something	16:10
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: or TA1C341	16:11
AstralStorm	I'd prefer the US keyboard though	16:11
AstralStorm	possible to get here?	16:11
corecode_	DocScrutinizer: thanks	16:12
DocScrutinizer51	yw	16:12
DocScrutinizer51	anytime mate	16:12
corecode_	what's that local path?	16:12
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corecode_	you have some other pictures?	16:12
AstralStorm	reverse engineering N900, are you?	16:12
DocScrutinizer51	nah just my original local copy	16:13
corecode_	also the opamp is covered by shielding	16:13
AstralStorm	good	16:13
Corsac	hmhm, nice, n900 BT tethering to n810	16:13
corecode_	but i'll pester somebody else for understanding opamp circuits	16:13
Stskeeps	AstralStorm: i think the polish keyboard should be fairly close to us one	16:13
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AstralStorm	except the arrows	16:14
AstralStorm	and the function key	16:14
corecode_	looks like a follower	16:14
Stskeeps	AstralStorm: hmm? really?	16:14
corecode_	putting .6v on it?	16:15
corecode_	hmm	16:15
AstralStorm	what's the watchdog process called like on n810 diablo?	16:15
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DocScrutinizer51	corecode_: (opamp) out=(in+ - in-) * 100.000	16:16
corecode_	yea	16:16
corecode_	there is a voltage divider on in-, with 0.6V	16:16
corecode_	and a resistor from out to in+	16:16
corecode_	that is the same as the resistor if in- to gnd	16:16
smoku	Stskeeps, it's very close. 100% same :)	16:17
corecode_	so in idle, mic should be at 0.6V as well	16:17
corecode_	i think	16:17
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Stskeeps	smoku: btw, i'm also warsaw based so if you're up for a beer sometime :)	16:18
AstralStorm	dammit quick people, I'm in a hurry	16:18
AstralStorm	which daemon takes care of watchdog prodding in diablo	16:18
Stskeeps	AstralStorm: dsme	16:18
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AstralStorm	k	16:18
phellarv	AstralStorm: k == thanks?	16:18
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GAN900	Man, MicroB REALLY wants focus on the URL bar. . . .	16:19
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AstralStorm	phellarv: no, ok	16:19
AstralStorm	I'll thank if it works	16:19
AstralStorm	reniced it -19	16:19
lcuk	phellarv, "k" == "ok" == "okay"	16:19
AstralStorm	but I don't have schedtoold there to set it realtime	16:19
AstralStorm	or fifo	16:19
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phellarv	lcuk: Hehe - I knew that - Just thought that a simple thanks could be nice.	16:20
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lcuk	he might not have wanted to thank you	16:21
AstralStorm	I'd thank Stskeeps	16:21
AstralStorm	still, have to fly	16:21
smoku	Stskeeps, surely :D	16:21
AstralStorm	hope this renicing holds	16:21
phellarv	Ofc - Wasn't me he owed a thanks	16:21
AstralStorm	I'll thank you later ;>	16:21
AstralStorm	any easy way to set scheduling class on n810?	16:22
AstralStorm	like, schedtool package	16:22
smoku	lcuk, more like: k == /ˈkeɪ/ == okay	16:22
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DocScrutinizer	corecode which partlabel?	16:25
DocScrutinizer	N???	16:25
DocScrutinizer	and page?	16:26
AstralStorm	weird	16:26
AstralStorm	nicing dsme helped performance	16:26
AstralStorm	a lot	16:26
AstralStorm	Stskeeps: thanks :)	16:26
AstralStorm	and bye	16:26
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AstralStorm	msg me where to add that nice call	16:27
Stskeeps	smoku: happen to be knowing other n900/n8x0 users in warsaw?	16:27
AstralStorm	Stskeeps: say, myself	16:28
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: N4007 N4008?	16:28
AstralStorm	arachnist is there too	16:28
arachnist	?	16:28
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arachnist	Stskeeps: /me	16:28
Stskeeps	i guess it could be cool to organise some sort of meetup - even though i don't speak much polish :P	16:28
AstralStorm	heh	16:28
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AstralStorm	we'll talk about that later	16:29
* AstralStorm runs		16:29
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smoku	Stskeeps, there are 3 in my office :)	16:29
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smoku	one of them ported htop	16:30
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Omegamoon	anyone know if there is a workaround for the 256mb memory limit on qemu arm (versatilepb)?	16:30
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raster	swap	16:31
raster	:)	16:31
raster	(swap could be a devicefile on a ramdisk on the host... :))	16:31
DocScrutinizer	corecode_: both are comparators (aka Schmidt triggers), N4007 at 2V5 * (6.8 / (22 + 6.8)) hyteresis +- 1/22	16:31
* DocScrutinizer moos at raster		16:32
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: what's this re: ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110	16:33
povbot	Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event	16:33
SpeedEvil	?	16:33
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DocScrutinizer	corecode_: for N4008 the math is 2V5 * (22 / (22 + 6.8)) hysteresis +- 0.47/22	16:34
raster	DocScrutinizer: doook	16:34
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pigeon	raster: ahha!	16:35
Omegamoon	raster: hmm, I tried swap, but I prefer more internal memory ;-)	16:36
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: that's a stupid nobrainer. You need micbias to detect the holdbutton. Thought I commented on that one	16:36
raster	pigeon: prrrrprrrr	16:36
crashanddie	corecode_: he's just showing off	16:36
raster	Omegamoon: you asked for a workaround :)	16:36
hrw-uds	Omegamoon: make hdimage in tmpfs and use swap on it?	16:37
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110#c4	16:37
povbot	Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event	16:37
DocScrutinizer	100% ack	16:37
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SpeedEvil	You commented in IRC at some point - I don't think...	16:37
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DocScrutinizer	maybe yes	16:38
DocScrutinizer	or on tmo	16:38
hrw-uds	Omegamoon: versatilepb is done in such way that it cant take more ram then 256MB	16:38
DocScrutinizer	anyway, a nobrainer	16:38
SpeedEvil	yeah	16:38
DocScrutinizer	INVALID	16:38
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SpeedEvil	how?	16:40
SpeedEvil	Polling the hold button with MICBIAS high automagically isn't clearly the wrong thing to do	16:41
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: just reading #c5	16:41
satmd	but perhaps not the most efficient thing	16:42
Omegamoon	hrw-uds: 512mb on versatiliepb should be possible according to http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02088.html	16:42
SpeedEvil	no.	16:42
SpeedEvil	satmd: I'm measuring the micbias current ATM	16:42
SpeedEvil	well - if I can find my phones	16:42
satmd	oh	16:42
DocScrutinizer	the micbias is a) only useful as long as headset is attached. b) spec says it's 2.5V source-Z 2k, do the math by yourself	16:42
SpeedEvil	yes - but what else is alive typically when you do that normally	16:43
* raster wonders why people who work professionally as software enigneers.. havent heard of "diff"		16:43
SpeedEvil	and measuring this is moderately easy	16:43
ShadowJK	raster: or how mail administrators have the worst mailing list netiquette	16:44
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hrw-uds	Omegamoon: lool made ugly patch to get this	16:44
lool	Hmm?	16:44
Pekuja_	are there repositories that I need to manually add to my apt sources.list after installing the SDK? I'm trying to install the OpenGL ES libraries, but it seems like they're not in the repos I have set up	16:45
Omegamoon	lool: did you? ;-)	16:45
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: see http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf p10 LC-0070	16:45
hrw-uds	lool: you here too? I will be scaried too much to open fridge...	16:45
hrw-uds	lool: extra 256MB ram for versatilepb qemu	16:45
MohammadAG_	hmm, is writing to RAM possible?	16:46
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: (what else...) mompls, will have a glance at schem	16:46
Pekuja_	or did I do the installation wrong?	16:46
raster	ShadowJK: thank god i dont need to deal with them often.. but i need to talkl with these engineers who dont know what diff is.... :)	16:46
raster	aaaaargh	16:47
raster	and now they fuck with text encoding too	16:47
raster	oh and hooray.. can't format code properly	16:47
MohammadAG_	was thinking of something like hibernating the N900	16:47
raster	(i.e. follow the existiing formatting)	16:47
raster	grtrrrrr	16:47
ShadowJK	bonus points for changing cr/lf for entire file and then comitting it along with some other minor/major changes	16:48
lool	Omegamoon: Yeah, so I got it working by moving to 2g/2g IIRC	16:48
raster	thank god they dont get to commit	16:48
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: you are on meego-dev btw? mailing list	16:48
lool	and moving phys offset around in qemu and in the kernel	16:48
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: afraid I'm not (yet)	16:48
RST38h	ShadowJK: You want bonus points, use TABs	16:48
Omegamoon	lool: I tried your patches, but couldn't get them to work. What qemu release did you used the patches on?	16:48
lool	Omegamoon: I used them against the Ubuntu package	16:49
RST38h	ShadowJK: And people with heavy, pointed bonus points will surely track you down	16:49
lool	Omegamoon: Which patch broke it for you?	16:49
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: think there's a good moment to start constructively to talk about how to deal with BME / open source it	16:49
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: / make open source replacement	16:49
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: k, you could CC me anyway	16:50
lool	Omegamoon: So basically, the PHYS OFFSET change need to be applied in lock step in the kernel and qemu	16:50
lool	Omegamoon: I suspect we'll eventually move to beagle instead	16:50
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: ...until I manage to register to meego-devel	16:50
lool	but versatile is more convenient to boot	16:50
Omegamoon	lool: I tried qemu-git with the tip.patch	16:50
lool	tip.patch?	16:50
lool	That doesn't sound like something I'd share	16:50
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html	16:51
lool	Omegamoon: What happens exactly?	16:51
Omegamoon	lool: it's in here http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/qemu-patches/	16:51
Omegamoon	I guess it's yours ;-)	16:51
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: or at least baby steps, presenting your work and such and where you see things are safe	16:51
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: damn, that's a weird construction around N4022 & N4007 / N4008. Anyway there's no additional consumer that's obviously switched by micbias	16:53
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: forking the thread would probably be useful, prefix with N900	16:53
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Omegamoon	lool: so I should use the 0.10.x.patch on the qemu-ubuntu version then?	16:54
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm trying to measure it - to see what the actual existing software does - rather than what might be done	16:55
corecode_	sorry, was cleaning	16:55
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* ShadowJK wonders if maemo5 runs without bme (after disabling dsme watchdog over bme)		16:55
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: anyway N4007 / N4008 are IRQ generating Schmitt triggers	16:55
SpeedEvil	Though I'm somewhat confused why after flashing, my n900 is using 10mA more than before under idle.	16:55
* SpeedEvil must have installed something that's woken some peripheral up.		16:56
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: darn, that's a unbearable pita to read those non-wrapping HTML-posts	16:56
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: anyway consider me on board, and feel free to fork the thread (and cc me joerg at openmoko.org) about (jr)bme	16:57
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SpeedEvil	What thread is this?	16:57
frals	DocScrutinizer: fwiw theres a bug about the non-wrapping at lists.meego.com so hopefully its getting fixed ;)	16:57
SpeedEvil	oh	16:57
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: I'm missing the right insight in the whole nettiquette on that ML yet	16:57
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: ...so an answer of me directly to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html would sound a little odd for sure ATM, as I'm not aware of all the context	16:59
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Stskeeps	well, or wait until it's being looked closer into in jun :P	16:59
Stskeeps	e	16:59
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Omegamoon	lool: can you give me a link to the working qemu patch then?	17:02
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corecode_	so the microphone input is buffered with 33nF	17:03
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pupnik	never saw that [Changing host] before	17:06
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t-tan	where can I find info about dmsetool?	17:12
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MohammadAG_	man dsmetool? nvm, no manuals	17:12
* MohammadAG_ slaps crashanddie for coming back		17:12
MohammadAG_	the party was just about to start :(	17:12
crashanddie	it's such a pain that there is no manuals on the NITs	17:13
t-tan	it's not a feature. it's a bug...	17:13
MohammadAG_	NITs?	17:13
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crashanddie	Nokia Internet Tablets	17:13
crashanddie	It's what we called the family of 770, n800, n810 before the arrival of the n900	17:14
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MohammadAG_	oh, there's a man-db package shameless advertising	17:14
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DocScrutinizer	corecode_: nevermind a 33nF	17:15
t-tan	MohammadAG: does it restore deleted manpages?	17:15
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DocScrutinizer	corecode_: aah you meant "is DC-decoupled"	17:15
corecode_	yes	17:16
corecode_	my bad	17:16
MohammadAG_	t-tan, docpurge purges /usr/share/man, I moved the dir to /opt/man	17:16
corecode_	likewise, the headphone out is 1uF decoupled	17:16
MohammadAG_	so what was lost was lost	17:16
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MohammadAG_	t-tan, it's not a symlink btw, that would get them purged too	17:16
corecode_	a mandb package?	17:16
corecode_	yey	17:16
MohammadAG_	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52425	17:17
corecode_	finally	17:17
t-tan	MohammadAG_: that's what I expected	17:17
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MohammadAG_	t-tan, if only we can get all packages rebuilt to install to /opt/man :)	17:17
MohammadAG_	t-tan, btw I've uploaded a 14MB pages deb file, it contains the basic Ubuntu man pages	17:17
t-tan	would not killing dsme lead to a reboot or is bme responsible for the watchdogs?	17:17
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t-tan	MohammadAG_: ok, thanks.	17:18
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ShadowJK	dsme reboots when bme doesn't exist/respond	17:18
MohammadAG_	t-tan, stop bme stops it	17:18
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MohammadAG_	and no reboots should occur	17:18
t-tan	cause I want to disable dsme and not start it during boot	17:19
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t-tan	oh, wait dsme source is avaiable :)	17:20
Stskeeps	.. why would you want to do that	17:20
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ShadowJK	dsme is used to start everything else	17:20
alterego	I quite like Kernel hacking ..	17:20
ShadowJK	remove dsme and you kill everything :)	17:20
t-tan	it reboots a kernel that has only USB host, w/o OTG	17:20
MohammadAG_	something I missed on Symbian	17:20
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t-tan	there is a dummy bme included in the sources...	17:21
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DocScrutinizer	corecode_: yep, the amp inputs are decoupled by 1u. Doesn't help much unless you know amp input Z	17:21
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ShadowJK	t-tan, i think it's outdated..	17:22
t-tan	it's the same version as on LR1.2	17:22
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: I think the BME bootloop is caused by upstart initscripts calling bme -r, or maybe by some side effects via hal etc	17:23
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: probably purging DSME won't help	17:23
t-tan	no: boot log says: reboot requested by dmsetool	17:24
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corecode_	too bad i don't have a 3 pole connector	17:24
corecode_	or i'd look at the scope	17:24
corecode_	also too bad i don't have a digital storage scope	17:25
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corecode_	and there i go buy one	17:25
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: [2010-05-13 00:41:14] <DocScrutinizer> PP:hald-runer PID:821 hald-addon-usb-cable: listening on /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode	17:25
MohammadAG_	why ../?	17:25
MohammadAG_	isn't that the same as /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode	17:26
DocScrutinizer	don't ask ME	17:26
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DocScrutinizer	prolly yes	17:26
MohammadAG_	yeah lol	17:26
MohammadAG_	Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode	17:26
MohammadAG_	b_idle	17:26
MohammadAG_	Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode	17:26
MohammadAG_	b_idle	17:26
DocScrutinizer	sure, you bet I did this ~2010-05-13 00:20	17:27
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DocScrutinizer	;-D	17:27
t-tan	if you want to play with a USBhost-only kernel: http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/testing3/	17:27
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t-tan	fbcon is enabled	17:28
MohammadAG_	YAY	17:28
MohammadAG_	an uninstall .desktop file?	17:28
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: is it booting?	17:29
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MohammadAG_	LOL	17:29
t-tan	it boots to a certain stage. then dmse reboots	17:29
MohammadAG_	bah	17:29
DocScrutinizer	you considered to kick the 'bme -r' lines out of the upstart scripts?	17:29
MohammadAG_	wouldn't disabling the watchdog help?	17:29
t-tan	so I far I've tried to bme pre-script which access some usb stuff	17:30
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: ...or better, in / coment out all calls to bme?	17:30
DocScrutinizer	Bin / comment	17:30
pupnik	emulators would be so much easier if we had more buttons	17:30
pupnik	well, computer emulators	17:31
digitalsurgeon	is there any app to download backgrounds and set them ?	17:31
digitalsurgeon	for n900 ?	17:31
digitalsurgeon	for example from flickr .	17:31
DocScrutinizer	or start bme under strace, in init/upstart, and write the debug to a file	17:31
digitalsurgeon	example: backgrounds for android/ifone	17:31
MohammadAG_	just download them and set as background	17:31
MohammadAG_	no need for an app	17:31
DocScrutinizer	preferrably one that can be read out later ;-P	17:31
t-tan	just rebooting...	17:32
slingr	have you guys been bombarded lately with foos who bricked their n900 trying to do illegal things?	17:33
t-tan	it continues !!!	17:33
MohammadAG_	t-tan, is there any way of decompiling a compiled kernel?	17:33
MohammadAG_	illegal things like what	17:33
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slingr	points to the topic	17:33
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t-tan	I'm running a hostmode-only kernel	17:33
slingr	putting on unofficial 1.2	17:34
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MohammadAG_	slingr, we prefer not to talk about it :)	17:34
MohammadAG_	I am on 1.2 packages though (not LR)	17:35
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: what coninues?? the kernel booted up to full system?	17:35
t-tan	yes. success!	17:35
slingr	Yeah, you are a dev tho right?	17:35
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: you're MAD	17:35
DocScrutinizer	:-D	17:35
MohammadAG_	I wonder if anyone would for this Nokia-N8:~# uname	17:35
MohammadAG_	Linux	17:35
MohammadAG_	slingr, nope	17:35
Stskeeps	meh	17:35
slingr	I was debating loading that leaked one, but logic told me otherwise. I figure, PR1.2 isn't released yet for a reason	17:35
Stskeeps	Nokia-NXX:~# is where it's at	17:36
Stskeeps	:P	17:36
slingr	I'm just itching to get wifi at work	17:36
DocScrutinizer	PLEASE t-tan first thing dmesg\|pastebinit	17:36
slingr	and its WPA EAP-TLS encrypted	17:36
slingr	which 1.1 has troubles with, unless I want to run authentication through command line each time	17:36
pupnik	N8 is beautiful looking. Check the pics.	17:36
MohammadAG_	Stskeeps,	17:37
tybollt	won't it have S^3? :-(	17:37
MohammadAG_	Nokia-N10:~# uname	17:37
MohammadAG_	Mac OSX	17:37
MohammadAG_	happy? :P	17:37
tybollt	n10?	17:37
tybollt	huuuuh	17:37
MohammadAG_	at least someone fell for that one	17:37
MohammadAG_	XD	17:37
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* tybollt trouts mohamma		17:38
tybollt	s	17:38
tybollt	d	17:38
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slingr	wow, that N8 is pretty nice.. when is it released	17:38
* MohammadAG_ points and laughs at tybollt		17:38
t-tan	ok, everything is under http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/hostmode/	17:38
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t-tan	dmesg, my modified bme upstart script and the kernel	17:39
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MohammadAG_	oh, USB charing is broken	17:41
MohammadAG_	well I guess I need a .fiasco with a working one	17:41
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tybollt	MohammadAG_: USB charging is broken on the N10, eh? ;)	17:42
MohammadAG_	tybollt, we got rid of that, now it's an N11 with Windows 8	17:43
tybollt	neat	17:43
tybollt	will it be charging by electricity OTA?	17:43
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MohammadAG_	no, it will be powered by human energy	17:44
tybollt	uh oh	17:44
tybollt	the matrix	17:44
MohammadAG_	so when the battery low's expecting something	17:44
* tybollt runs		17:44
MohammadAG_	bad	17:44
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Pekuja_	I'm having trouble installing the OpenGL ES libraries. http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES#Installation tells me to install libgles2-sgx-img-dev, but I just get "E: Couldn't find package libgles2-sgx-img-dev"	17:50
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pupnik	http://www.wolfire.com/humble Humble Indie Bundle received over 1 million USD in donations, is opening-up sources to a bunch of cool games. Porters, fire up your SDKs!	17:52
MohammadAG_	Pekuja_, sec	17:53
MohammadAG_	think I have it in my archives	17:53
Pekuja_	MohammadAG_: great. thanks :-)	17:53
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Pekuja_	MohammadAG_: I'd really rather figure out why it's not in my repos though.	17:56
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MohammadAG_	Pekuja_, no one has it, I just keep archives of stuff I downloaded	17:57
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Pekuja_	no one has it?	17:58
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MohammadAG_	Pekuja_, not unless they have it in /var/cache/apt/archives	17:58
MohammadAG_	but most people clear that	17:58
MohammadAG_	I keep it after flashing	17:58
Pekuja_	yeah but why would no one have it?	17:58
MohammadAG_	no idea, it's not on the repos anymore	17:58
MohammadAG_	libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30+0m5_armel.deb <-- this?	17:59
Pekuja_	yeah I think that's it.	17:59
Pekuja_	why is it gone from the repos?	17:59
MohammadAG_	lol no idea	17:59
MohammadAG_	http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb	18:00
smoku	Pekuja_, I just reinstalled it without problems	18:00
MohammadAG_	had to change the + to _ though	18:00
smoku	are you on a correct SDK target?	18:00
MohammadAG_	pj waot	18:00
Pekuja_	smoku: does it only work on ARMEL?	18:00
MohammadAG_	pj?	18:00
MohammadAG_	oh wait*	18:00
MohammadAG_	you need the -dev package	18:01
MohammadAG_	no idea about that	18:01
MohammadAG_	don't have it, that package is for the N900	18:01
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Pekuja_	ok :-/	18:01
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smoku	Pekuja_, yes. on X86 you have emulation libraries instead	18:01
MohammadAG_	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search libgles2-sgx-img-dev	18:02
MohammadAG_	libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files	18:02
MohammadAG_	opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files	18:02
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Pekuja_	MohammadAG_: so they are in the repos	18:03
MohammadAG_	the -dev packages yes	18:03
MohammadAG_	anyways, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img-dev_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb	18:04
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Pekuja_	MohammadAG_: what's in your sources.list?	18:05
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MohammadAG_	Pekuja_, expires in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/yXcbY7Wy	18:06
Pekuja_	ok, thanks	18:06
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Pekuja_	hmm	18:06
MohammadAG_	if you don't have the token part go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php / you didn't follow the SDK installation instructions if you don't have it	18:06
Pekuja_	I do have one	18:07
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pupnik	fremantle/GETYOUROWNTOKEN! ??	18:07
pupnik	oh ty	18:07
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lool	Omegamoon: Ok, well these patches worked for me, but you also need to apply these http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/linux-patches/	18:07
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Pekuja_	I think perhaps Ubuntu 10.04 just doesn't run the SDK very well	18:07
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Pekuja_	well	18:07
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Pekuja_	probably not the reason I'm having trouble installing the libraries	18:08
Pekuja_	but I'm having problems with Xephyr and installing the SDK in the first place required some fiddling	18:08
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MohammadAG_	like what?	18:09
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Pekuja_	well Ubuntu has a different version of Xephyr	18:11
Pekuja_	so start_xephyr.sh doesn't work	18:11
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Pekuja_	but ok, it seems like I can get the libraries with apt now. I was just using the FREMANTLE_X86 target	18:11
Pekuja_	which doesn't have that	18:11
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hawai`i	ALL BY MYSELF	18:27
hawai`i	DON'T WANNA BE	18:27
hawai`i	ALL BY MYSELFFFFFF	18:27
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_berto_	hawai`i: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_B5UrI7nAI	18:28
hawai`i	This better not be a rickroll	18:29
hawai`i	L M F A O	18:30
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smhar	what is license of the meamo source code?	18:30
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DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: feeling good?	18:31
hawai`i	ahaaha	18:31
hawai`i	smhar: I want to say, a lot of it is (L)GPL	18:32
slingr	smhar its distributed under Microsofts EULA	18:33
jcrawford	lol NPL	18:33
jcrawford	Nokia Public License :)	18:33
jcrawford	j/k	18:34
luke-jr	smhar: the imporant parts are all proprietary, etc	18:35
luke-jr	except what they're legally required to open	18:36
luke-jr	like kernel modifications	18:36
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smhar	luke-jr, so what the developers are using are just the API to the system?	18:37
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hawai`i	The official ones, yeah.	18:37
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smhar	hawai`i, you mean official developers or official API?	18:39
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hawai`i	Both.	18:40
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smhar	so stuff in http://www.nokian900applications.com/ and http://my-maemo.com/software/ are using the official API?	18:41
hawai`i	What is the point of these questions?	18:42
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hawai`i	I don't want to say, there is no real "API" for Maemo like there is for other platforms	18:42
hawai`i	but there really isn't. IPC is done through dbus	18:42
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luke-jr	there really is, when it comes to GUI :/	18:43
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luke-jr	I had hope when Maemo planned on switching to Qt	18:43
hawai`i	But it's not a required necessity	18:43
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hawai`i	there's GTK on Hildon and QT	18:43
luke-jr	but it looks like it's just going to destroy Qt by making a Maemo-specific API for it	18:43
hawai`i	and you can do it through almost any language or interpretor	18:43
luke-jr	hawai`i: APIs aren't necessarily language-specific	18:44
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hawai`i	Yes and no.	18:45
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achipa	what APIs are you guys are talking about ? What's the API to, say, Ubuntu ?	18:49
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hawai`i	Exactly.	18:50
hawai`i	That is what I am trying to get at.	18:50
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crashanddie	chem\|st: around?	18:58
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luke-jr	achipa: Ubuntu just uses standard APIs, plus GTK/GNOME	19:00
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pupnik	N900: apt-cache pkgnames \| sort -u \| wc -l 7715 packages My debian box: 38484 Nice job #maemo community and Nokia	19:00
luke-jr	Maemo has its own APIs in addition	19:00
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Appiah	Anyone have experince with gtk 2.16 or newer on Maemo5? (n900)	19:04
Appiah	is it even possible..	19:04
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kalikiana	Appiah, possible yes. but you can't properly install it since you can't replace system packages	19:06
kalikiana	ie. you need to force it via dpkg	19:06
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Appiah	hmm =/	19:07
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Appiah	trying to compile something that requires 2.16 or newer	19:08
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AstralStorm	hey	19:09
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AstralStorm	Appiah: should be trivial, you need to apply Hildon patches, they should go in cleanly	19:10
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Appiah	oh	19:10
Appiah	I know nothing about that, can you point me in the right direction?	19:10
AstralStorm	grab the source package from the repository	19:13
AstralStorm	you should know how to get the url	19:13
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AstralStorm	otherwise, you should ask someone instead	19:13
kalikiana	AstralStorm, still it can't go into Extras	19:13
AstralStorm	bewhy?	19:14
kalikiana	the bot would reject it	19:14
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AstralStorm	why would it?	19:14
kalikiana	because you can't replace system packages	19:14
AstralStorm	ah right	19:14
AstralStorm	because the deps are broken as usual	19:14
AstralStorm	nokia can't package properly	19:14
kalikiana	I tried once accidentally with a package which I thought were community	19:14
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kalikiana	Unless you were to rename all files and linking but that's complex in the case of gtk	19:15
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tybollt	terve konttori	19:19
konttori	hi	19:19
konttori	sup?	19:19
tybollt	what's latest? :)	19:19
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konttori	for what? pr1.2 release? Afaik, date is set, and has been told even to ovi store developers even.	19:20
ds3	a	19:21
konttori	but then again, I didn't participate in the finalization of that (as that took place on my daddy month), and then I was immediately dragged to harmattan / meego work	19:21
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tybollt	konttori: not for anything in particular, anything and everything... :)	19:22
Appiah	AstralStorm: im sorry ,what source are you talking about?	19:23
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konttori	oh, hmm... well, I have been looking at the API story a bit and I'm pretty concerned about some issues in our vanilla qt offering in harmattan.	19:23
tybollt	konttori: hmmm so you still regard of harm and meeg as diff projects... that's very interesting in the context of things. :)	19:23
konttori	I'm sure we can fix it still, but for some reason seems like no one has really thought things through for vanilla qt devving.	19:24
tybollt	<-- silly user reading way too much into everything konttori says ;)	19:24
konttori	well, harmattan is based on well... harmattan lower layers, and it has debian packaging.	19:24
konttori	whereas meego will be based on basically the moblin lower layers (+ some stuff), and rpm packaging	19:25
konttori	so, those things alone justify calling them different beasts.	19:25
GAN900	konttori, who do we need to talk to about Fremantle stuff now?	19:25
konttori	talk to rodarvus	19:25
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GAN900	Or is that just a total dead end at this point? :)	19:25
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Take0n	Hello folks	19:25
GAN900	tybollt, MeeGo Devices vs MeeGo Operations	19:26
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GAN900	tybollt, it's a beautiful sort of confusing.	19:26
konttori	GAN900: no, the development is not over, and we want to focus now still on the visible issues for end users.	19:26
konttori	but do talk to rodarvus.	19:26
GAN900	OK	19:26
* GAN900 wishes Modest wouldn't put signatures BEFORE the quoted text. . .		19:27
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konttori	I think that's a matter of taste	19:28
Take0n	are there any other devices that run maemo except of nokia n900?	19:28
konttori	I personally would like it before the quoted text (I always sign there).	19:28
konttori	Take0n: some chinese copy products	19:28
konttori	but that's it	19:28
tybollt	GAN900: =)	19:29
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Take0n	hm.. I would like to contribute to the maemo project in any way	19:30
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Take0n	but doesn	19:30
Take0n	but doesn't own a nokia n900.. are there any other ways to do so without the phone?	19:30
Take0n	maybe translate applications etc? I speak English, greek and swedish	19:30
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Chiku	with SDK?	19:31
konttori	ooo shiny.. new opera looks nice.	19:31
twoboxen	does anyone know if Nokia has any luck tracking down the annoying browser bug that delayed PR1.2?	19:31
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konttori	twoboxen: which bug?	19:32
twoboxen	it is really nice, though it randomly slows down network traffic and doesn't have flash	19:32
twoboxen	konttori: the browser memory leak that was hard to reproduce	19:32
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twoboxen	mentioned on a nokia blog a week or two ago	19:33
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konttori	twoboxen: well, one leak was caused by SSO for every page that didn't support SSO. Leak size was up to 128 kb per page load (although usually smaller).	19:33
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konttori	that was trivial fix though.	19:33
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konttori	but could be that the leaked 12-9 didn't have that fix (can't remember if it did or not)	19:33
konttori	funnily enough that sso issue also leaked on every click of page.	19:34
tybollt	konttori: new opera looks nice and ... closed source.	19:34
twoboxen	konttori: perhaps I misheard. yeah, there are definite bugs (i've heard, I don't run it) in that browser build, but I thought there was something else	19:34
konttori	well, many things are great while they are closed source.	19:34
tybollt	but why should users of N900 care about open source code, right?	19:34
twoboxen	tybollt: closed, yeah, but it's always nice to have choices	19:34
konttori	I enjoy games immensely and they are all closed source.	19:35
konttori	competition is always good. It is the engine of progress.	19:35
konttori	so, if opera is great, perhaps the next version of fennec will strive to be even better.	19:35
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twoboxen	konttori: how is the meego UI dev sprint going?	19:36
tybollt	konttori: new fennec beta isn't all that bad ;P	19:36
twoboxen	yeah, i ditched fennec when the weave functionality NEVER worked for me	19:36
frals	~curse users	19:36
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users !	19:36
frals	~nuke ms exchange	19:36
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ms exchange ... B☢☢M!		19:36
tybollt	frals: HUGGZ!1111 to you too	19:36
MohammadAG	OMG	19:36
konttori	twoboxen: what UI dev sprint (sorry, I am not yet following meego activities)	19:36
MohammadAG	infobot's back!	19:36
* MohammadAG celebrates		19:37
tybollt	are we to understand users sent you viruses that pwned your ms exhange server frals?	19:37
tybollt	;)	19:37
frals	no	19:37
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twoboxen	sorry, maybe that question shouldn't have been directed at you. I know they are pushing hard with meego dev to have a 1.0 release this month and the previous was UI-less	19:37
RST38h	virII!	19:37
frals	we are to understand that my exchange server has stopped receiving for some unknown reason and instead they go to my backup mx	19:37
* RST38h puts on his grammar nazi hat		19:38
frals	but for some reason the smtp actually works fine on my exchange server so i have no clue why other servers are sending to the backup mx	19:38
* MohammadAG shoots it		19:38
konttori	twoboxen: interesting thought. To be honest, I'm not sure. Is that the handheld meego delivery?	19:38
twoboxen	i am just guessing (no real insider information), but i would think so	19:39
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konttori	as if it's that, then it would be visually probably based on harmattan codebase.	19:39
Chiku	hey , I installed Flashlight applet, 3G/2G/DUAL mode selection applet , SSH status applet, brighness applet but I display all applets	19:39
twoboxen	exactly	19:39
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Arkenoi	well, "starving" tables do not work for me (i get sw_rst, not 32_wd, though). back to xlv.	19:39
konttori	which reminds me to mention that we have now started the preparations for the alpha sdk release.	19:40
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Chiku	how I can diseable applet because this is limit number applet display right?	19:40
twoboxen	who is "we"	19:40
konttori	Unfortunately, qt4.7 will not be in the alpha sdk yet.	19:40
konttori	as you all know 4.7 isn't yet released, so... well, we could not include it there yet.	19:40
konttori	it'll be in beta though.	19:40
twoboxen	why is 4.7 necessary... what does it add to qt4.6? an expanded QtMobility?	19:41
konttori	qt quick.	19:41
konttori	that's what it adds	19:41
konttori	and some perf improvements in general	19:41
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konttori	and as you all know, qt quick is the best thing to happen to linux development for a long time	19:41
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RST38h	hmmm	19:42
RST38h	best thing after Java? =)	19:42
* RST38h ducks		19:42
konttori	java is great, but it never had good Ui development possibilities.	19:43
zaheerm	what is qt quick exactly?	19:43
twoboxen	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NK4zeAe5-Y	19:43
twoboxen	watching it now	19:43
RST38h	Qt Flash!	19:43
konttori	http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-qtcreator-prerelease	19:43
konttori	http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarativeui.html	19:43
RST38h	Actually: http://jryannel.wordpress.com/	19:44
twoboxen	answer to WPF	19:44
twoboxen	is what it seems like	19:44
twoboxen	XAML vs QML	19:45
luke-jr	zaheerm: Qt is a cross-platform programming language based on C++, but with standards for networking and GUI	19:46
zaheerm	i know qt didn't know qt quick	19:46
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twoboxen	so QML will replace the .ui files?	19:46
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RST38h	Qt is a programing language? Really?	19:46
konttori	twoboxen: it will replace all code really related to UI.	19:47
RST38h	Sounds more like answer to either Flash or Android	19:47
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konttori	well, it is.	19:47
RST38h	i.e. create UI in some interpreted language, then do heavy stuff in c/c++	19:48
konttori	it allows designer driven development	19:48
inz	And that's supposed to be a good thing?-)	19:48
konttori	yes. and very little really ever needs to be done on c++ side for a normal app (well, outside of the already existing c++ interfaces).	19:48
luke-jr	RST38h: if you consider C++ a programming language, you have to consider Qt one as well	19:49
omar	so we're talking about programming now, is vim really worth the learning curve or should i just use eclipse?	19:49
hawai`i	hahah	19:49
luke-jr	omar: if it's vim vs eclipse, definitely vim	19:49
luke-jr	Eclipse sucks	19:49
omar	so what kind of things should i do to vim to make c++ development easy? so far i've downloaded omnicppcomplete and ctags	19:50
zaheerm	konttori: will qt quick only be supported on qt 4.7?	19:50
MohammadAG	hawai`i's here again	19:50
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konttori	yes.	19:51
RST38h	omar: no	19:51
* ShadowJK suggests using /ignore		19:51
RST38h	omar: pico.	19:51
* luke-jr glares at RST38h		19:51
zaheerm	konttori, and will this hit maemo 5 in any supported capacity?	19:51
luke-jr	pico is non-free	19:51
konttori	the qt declarative module available as preview on 4.6 is not compatible with the final version in 4.7	19:51
DocScrutinizer	problems?	19:51
konttori	zaheerm: it will hit it.	19:51
MohammadAG	ShadowJK, what good would that do :P	19:51
RST38h	luke: nano.	19:51
luke-jr	RST38h: ok	19:51
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, nope, not that I noticed	19:51
konttori	immediately when 1.2 goes out, 4.7 hits extras-devel	19:51
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-13 18:51:18] * ShadowJK suggests using /ignore	19:52
RST38h	and it rains frogs =)	19:52
MohammadAG	and we'll have the same autobuilder problems :P	19:52
omar	why nano? no one i see talks about nano, everyone seems to love vim	19:52
luke-jr	omar: vim is for the power user. but nano is easy	19:52
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, 4 lines up, I was only jk	19:52
twoboxen	normally UI languages are interpreted at compile-time	19:52
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RST38h	omar: that is because nano does not require advicacy	19:52
zaheerm	konttori, so wt 4.7 will come as part of an official future public release or will we have to rely on it being in extras?	19:52
DocScrutinizer	aah k	19:52
RST38h	advocacy	19:52
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: is omar a troll?	19:52
luke-jr	if someone can't use nano "out of the box", then they shouldn't be using computers :P	19:52
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omar	i'm a troll!?	19:53
DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: how can I tell?	19:53
omar	what makes you say that ;)	19:53
twoboxen	omar: maybe. how tall are you?	19:53
luke-jr	lol	19:53
omar	5'4''	19:53
aquatix	maybe he's a dwarf	19:53
RST38h	well, ok, you are a small, meek troll	19:53
twoboxen	HOLY CRAP. TROLL!	19:53
DocScrutinizer	wasn't in this chan for some 30min now	19:53
twoboxen	ju/k	19:53
RST38h	like gorlum or something	19:53
hawai`i	OH HAI MohammadAG	19:53
omar	i think i'm taller than gollum ;D	19:53
MohammadAG	OH CRAP he saw it	19:53
luke-jr	gollum is a hobbit, not a troll	19:53
twoboxen	are you counting the hunch?	19:53
Toba	what	19:53
hawai`i	Hahaha	19:53
Toba	on a related note	19:54
Toba	when is dwarf fortress gonna be available on maemo (jk)	19:54
aquatix	lol	19:54
luke-jr	on a vaguely related note	19:54
luke-jr	would anyone pay for a port of Armagetron to Maemo?	19:54
frals	nice my isp all of a sudden decided to block port 25 \o/	19:54
MohammadAG	what's arma(presses tab)	19:54
MohammadAG	LOL frals	19:55
crashanddie	what, you mean the game that has been free for decades at a time, and you want people to pay for it luke-jr ?	19:55
twoboxen	crashanddie: yeah, that one ;)	19:55
MohammadAG	lol	19:55
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twoboxen	i would pay upwards of $0.00	19:55
konttori	zaheerm: afaik, it's there on the one after pr1.2	19:55
luke-jr	crashanddie: so because I develop for gratis in 2005, I have to do it for gratis in 2010?	19:55
DocScrutinizer	frals: http://xkcd.com/705/	19:55
zaheerm	konttori, great	19:56
crashanddie	luke-jr: you didn't develop squat shit, it's been ported a billion times and a half, there are gazillion clones out there, I'm pretty sure there's a javascript clone somehwere	19:56
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luke-jr	crashanddie: clones aren't Armagetron	19:56
crashanddie	luke-jr: in other words: porters should never ask for money	19:56
twoboxen	easy fellas	19:56
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luke-jr	crashanddie: then maybe it won't get ported	19:57
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crashanddie	so be it, it sucks anyhow	19:57
twoboxen	crashanddie: aren't porters the ones who carry your bags? I think it's customary to tip	19:57
luke-jr	LOL	19:57
MohammadAG	lol @ DocScrutinizer	19:57
hawai`i	porting isn't developing.	19:57
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crashanddie	lol twoboxen	19:57
luke-jr	crashanddie: the Armagetron community begs to differ, I think	19:57
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crashanddie	oh, all 3 of them?	19:57
twoboxen	lol	19:57
luke-jr	crashanddie: try over 100 servers online at any one time	19:57
twoboxen	populated?	19:58
luke-jr	twoboxen: no, I think it's 20 on average that are used :)	19:58
MohammadAG	with tumbleweeds	19:58
luke-jr	up to 32 players each	19:58
twoboxen	what % of that community has n900s?	19:58
luke-jr	probably not	19:58
luke-jr	none*	19:58
crashanddie	Well, I guess geeks need something to do between wanking sessions	19:58
MohammadAG	1/3?	19:58
twoboxen	right... there's your business case	19:58
SpeedEvil	porting is developing.	19:58
luke-jr	they want iPhone ports ;P	19:59
twoboxen	no it's not	19:59
DocScrutinizer	konttori: I missed the answer from r* (forgot the nick)?	19:59
twoboxen	it's porting	19:59
MohammadAG	crashanddie, when's the next session?	19:59
SpeedEvil	It may be low-level developing, but it still is.	19:59
crashanddie	MohammadAG: dunno	19:59
twoboxen	reverse engineering is developing	19:59
hawai`i	no it's not	19:59
crashanddie	MohammadAG: stopped synching the google calendar	19:59
luke-jr	twoboxen: porting OpenGL SDL to OpenGL ES Qt is development	19:59
twoboxen	haha	19:59
konttori	DocScrutinizer: rodarvus is his nick.	19:59
MohammadAG	crashanddie, lol	19:59
hawai`i	lol twoboxen :D	19:59
konttori	rodrigo novo real name	19:59
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luke-jr	actually, a N900 port would probably mostly consist of optimization	19:59
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DocScrutinizer	aaah, that's why my userlist didn't help me out	19:59
luke-jr	Armagetron is CPU-bound on my desktop system, and averages 110 fps	20:00
luke-jr	:(	20:00
* MohammadAG gets 300fps on compiz		20:00
hawai`i	roffle	20:00
MohammadAG	then my graphics card died	20:00
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luke-jr	I can't imagine Compiz is ever CPU bound	20:00
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DocScrutinizer	konttori: (or anybody else) do you know if rodarvus answered wrt modem Engineering Mode?	20:00
* MohammadAG misses his GPU		20:01
MohammadAG	running on sw emulation, windows doesn't even boot up	20:01
hawai`i	Catalyst versus CUDA	20:01
konttori	DocScrutinizer: try again tomorrow.	20:01
twoboxen	someone else say something dumb so i can make fun	20:01
trumee	is there any way to find out which carrier has the strongest signal in my area	20:01
twoboxen	i'm bored at work	20:01
MohammadAG	twoboxen, you're fired	20:01
hawai`i	twoboxen: MSPAINT is for professionals	20:01
hawai`i	trumee: look at their coverage maps.	20:01
DocScrutinizer	konttori: ok, thanks. Also will leave him a /msgserv note	20:01
trumee	without buying every carriers sim of course	20:02
luke-jr	trumee: well, if you're in the US, you only really have one choice for N900	20:02
twoboxen	trumee: you can probably get 1 month trials for most providers	20:02
* MohammadAG uses /memoserv		20:02
hawai`i	luke-jr: hardly.	20:02
MohammadAG	ms for short	20:02
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crashanddie	twoboxen: get a new job	20:02
trumee	luke-jr: in the UK	20:02
twoboxen	MSPAINT is a God among men	20:02
twoboxen	i am soon	20:02
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: yeah prolly better idea	20:02
twoboxen	i was laid off a couple years ago... taking effect in 2 months	20:02
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twoboxen	waiting until i can collect severance to start interviewing	20:03
crashanddie	twoboxen: cool	20:03
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trumee	t-mobile sim gives me "sim not recognised" crap.	20:03
hawai`i	Reminds me of Office Space	20:03
twoboxen	yup	20:03
crashanddie	twoboxen: I quit my job about two weeks ago	20:03
trumee	on the UK firmware	20:03
twoboxen	i will be taking everything with me that isn't bolted down (or is bolted down too tightly)	20:03
crashanddie	started sending out CVs and contacting old friends to get interviews	20:03
twoboxen	crashanddie: what did you do?	20:03
hawai`i	Take the water cooler for good conversation.	20:04
twoboxen	o, i'm good... i have at least two companies waiting with offers	20:04
crashanddie	security expert for banks and governments	20:04
twoboxen	people always need that. you'll be good	20:04
crashanddie	nha, don't want to do it anymore	20:04
crashanddie	looking at other stuff	20:04
twoboxen	yeah screw security. who needs it	20:04
crashanddie	lol	20:04
omar	not me	20:04
trumee	why sim is not recognised!!! it has been 6 months that N900 is out	20:04
twoboxen	omar, we need security FROM you	20:05
crashanddie	trumee: sorry?	20:05
luke-jr	LOL	20:05
crashanddie	trumee: sounds like a dodgy SIM, not a problem with the N900	20:05
twoboxen	are you putting it in upside down?	20:05
twoboxen	that makes it tougher	20:05
trumee	crashanddie: my PAYG t-mobile sim doesnt work. it works in N95	20:05
luke-jr	trumee: try licking the terminals	20:06
twoboxen	trumee: try a friend's sim	20:06
crashanddie	trumee: try another SIM	20:06
omar	trumee, try another n900	20:06
luke-jr	trumee: buy me a pizza	20:06
crashanddie	trumee: TRY ANOTHER PLANET	20:06
twoboxen	trumee: try another day	20:07
trumee	crashanddie: yup tried two other sims of other carriers, they work	20:07
aquatix	trumee: sudo make me a sandwich	20:07
twoboxen	queue :bond music	20:07
MohammadAG	trumee, try another channel	20:07
crashanddie	trumee: seems like a SIM issue then. Seriously, just go to the local t-mobile shop, and tell them the SIM card is deffective	20:07
luke-jr	trumee: did you try licking the terminals yet?	20:07
DocScrutinizer	aquatix: sudo: please enter your IRC password	20:07
aquatix	yep, t-mobile should take care of that	20:07
trumee	luke-jr: !!!!!!!!!	20:07
omar	trumee, put whipped creme on b4 licking	20:07
crashanddie	trumee: they just need to reinitialise a card, costs them like 10 quid	20:07
MohammadAG	crashanddie, that's the polite way of doing it	20:07
aquatix	DocScrutinizer: it's ohaimakemeasammich	20:08
Arkenoi	i had a problem with october-made n900 and old 5V sim	20:08
trumee	crashanddie: will call them up	20:08
Arkenoi	the same sim works ok in modern n900's	20:08
twoboxen	crashanddie: i would like to add that the most effective way to make your point is to dip the SIM in sick dog feces and fling it in their face before requesting a replacement	20:08
crashanddie	trumee: don't bother calling, they'll convince you to pay for something	20:09
DocScrutinizer	/ns ghost aquatix ohaimakemeasammich	20:09
twoboxen	that way they know how important it is	20:09
omar	twoboxen, i'd love to do that to my carrier	20:09
* MohammadAG gets two cars and puts aquatix in between, then floors the pedals		20:09
crashanddie	trumee: just go to a shop and ask them to exchange it	20:09
MohammadAG	you are now a sammich	20:09
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trumee	crashanddie: ok.	20:09
tybollt	mmmh sammich	20:09
* tybollt is drooling now		20:09
twoboxen	how do you do IRC status messages like ^	20:09
crashanddie	twoboxen: /me say something	20:10
* omar dies		20:10
aquatix	* DocScrutinizer has quit (i don't like tuna)	20:10
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* twoboxen figures it out		20:10
* twoboxen thanks crashanddie		20:10
* Arkenoi has a SIM with two imsi/ki pairs, the problem is i can only use the first one on n900: i need to select the active pair via sim menu (which is not supported) and n900 resets sim when i insert it so that the first one is active again		20:10
crashanddie	don't use it too often though	20:10
* twoboxen is using it for the last time. promise		20:10
Arkenoi	if i do select second one on a different handset	20:10
* aquatix thinks you couldn't use it too often		20:10
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* omar castrates twoboxen, just to make sure		20:11
* twoboxen is ball-less now. and a liar since i did it again		20:11
luke-jr	can N900 copy a SIM to a file for later use?	20:11
DocScrutinizer	I wonder who's !@62.219.120.20	20:11
MohammadAG	<--	20:11
luke-jr	maybe copy multiple SIMs and use them concurrently?	20:11
aquatix	twoboxen: you should talk in the 3rd person way if you use /me ;)	20:11
DocScrutinizer	nah, I wonder how to find out	20:11
Arkenoi	luke-jr: i doubt it	20:11
crashanddie	luke-jr: nope	20:11
MohammadAG	<--	20:11
luke-jr	not even simple ones?	20:12
Arkenoi	though some phones surely could do	20:12
crashanddie	luke-jr: nope	20:12
MohammadAG	<-- @ DocScrutinizer	20:12
twoboxen	aquatix: damn, you're right. by jov I think he's got it	20:12
luke-jr	I know there's some "smart SIMs", but IIRC some aren't...	20:12
twoboxen	you can get SIM readers	20:12
crashanddie	luke-jr: well, maybe very simple ones, but AFAIK, all recent ones have a private sector that can't be accessed	20:12
hawai`i	Your carriers switch to asplode if you do that.	20:12
Arkenoi	i've seen old siemens hacked firmware that did crack sim authentication on-device and it could operate without sim at all	20:12
luke-jr	crashanddie: is it another proprietary-nokia-won't-let-us-do-it problem?	20:12
Arkenoi	emulating one in the phone itself	20:12
twoboxen	luke-jr: BLASPHEMY. NOKIA ONLY USES OPEN SOURCE /s	20:13
aquatix	cough	20:13
crashanddie	luke-jr: dunno, but even if you had access to the card, it would be the card not answering to those kind of requests	20:13
luke-jr	twoboxen: nonsense, Maemo is a closed OS	20:13
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: SIM has a crypto algo built in, you can't copy	20:13
hawai`i	Yes you can	20:13
tybollt	luke-jr++	20:13
twoboxen	luke-jr: notice the "/s"	20:13
hawai`i	You simply brute force the KI	20:13
tybollt	maemo certainly is	20:13
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: nope, on new ones you can't	20:13
luke-jr	crashanddie: so basically, it's not that it can't, but that there's no "simple ones" anymore? :(	20:13
hawai`i	Yes you can.	20:13
crashanddie	luke-jr: pretty much	20:13
hawai`i	It's no longer a bruteforce attack	20:13
Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, i've seen circa 2008 sims that could still be copied	20:13
luke-jr	twoboxen: /s means nothing to me	20:13
tybollt	crashanddie: what w/ all the spam kiddies in here tonight? :-/	20:13
hawai`i	but you can extract the key.	20:13
crashanddie	tybollt: no idea	20:14
crashanddie	hawai`i: be my guest	20:14
DocScrutinizer	Arkenoi: that's news to me	20:14
crashanddie	hawai`i: seriously, try	20:14
twoboxen	luke-jr: me neither... i just mashed my hands on the keboard and it popped up	20:14
hawai`i	You simply need the proper hardware.	20:14
crashanddie	hawai`i: BOLLOCKS	20:14
Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, pretty rare, though, most cannot	20:14
hawai`i	Neg.	20:14
twoboxen	tybollt: spam in IRC??? NEVAH!	20:14
omar	tybollt, shh they can hear you tooo	20:14
* luke-jr ponders a N900 doing 100 virtual SIMs :P		20:14
Arkenoi	hawai`i, but it is no longer a simple usb reader, you need dirty tricks like undervoltage now, right?	20:15
twoboxen	anyone in here good with kernel hacking?	20:15
aquatix	luke-jr: hspa multiplexing?	20:15
twoboxen	my good random internet friend DJ_Steve is looking for some kernel expertise for the Android work	20:15
MohammadAG	t-tan, not here anymore though	20:15
luke-jr	aquatix: nfc?	20:15
luke-jr	twoboxen: does it pay well?	20:15
crashanddie	twoboxen: pretty hard to hack an android phone when you don't have one available	20:15
hawai`i	Arkenoi: yes. You have to do a lot of hardware switching to fake it out.	20:15
luke-jr	crashanddie: dj_steve does Android on N900 IIRC	20:15
crashanddie	twoboxen: if he pays me $80/hour and sends me an android phone, I'm his new bitch	20:15
twoboxen	luke-jr: as well as porting Armagetron to maemo, yeah	20:15
luke-jr	twoboxen: ?	20:16
twoboxen	not hacking android	20:16
twoboxen	putting android onto the n900	20:16
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: any pointers?	20:16
twoboxen	see #nitdroid	20:16
Arkenoi	hawai`i, well, that means the cost of attack raises from $10 to $1K+, not worth trying in most cases :-(	20:16
crashanddie	twoboxen: tell him to contact querty12 and stskeeps	20:16
Arkenoi	hawai`i, i love having my Ki backed up, but i'd not pay that much for it	20:16
luke-jr	twoboxen: see, the problem is I at least enjoy Armagetron dev; if it were Android, it'd be "more boring work" and I'd charge my full rate :P	20:16
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: btw the SIM is connected to modem chipset directly, no way to intercept and fake a SIM	20:17
hawai`i	It's still very feasible, which is all I'm saying.	20:17
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: :(	20:17
twoboxen	too bad. android is also a fun OS. I plan on running both. DJ_Steve has gotten it working pretty well--he's just trying to finish up a few drivers for additional hardware support	20:17
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: in that case, it IS Nokia's fault for being too closed	20:17
luke-jr	let's start a riot	20:17
luke-jr	demand modem source	20:17
hawai`i	DocScrutinizer: hardware bus injection.	20:18
Arkenoi	hawai`i, could you point me to any recent papers on that? i am curious.	20:18
DocScrutinizer	lol, in a certain manner it is	20:18
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: hw-bus?	20:18
hawai`i	DocScrutinizer: pin out from SIM to hardware contacts with an interception board in between	20:18
luke-jr	hawai`i: obviously we're all talking about w/o hardware mods	20:19
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: that's easy, yes	20:19
hawai`i	oh	20:19
crashanddie	the cake is a lie	20:20
aquatix	crashanddie: but but but	20:20
* DocScrutinizer muses over SAP		20:20
hawai`i	Arkenoi: I'll try and find it	20:20
aquatix	i was kinda looking forward to the cake	20:20
DocScrutinizer	AT+CSIM	20:20
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DocScrutinizer	and other weird stuff	20:20
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hawai`i	Opening the modem access will cause problems.	20:24
DocScrutinizer	http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Access_Profile	20:24
DocScrutinizer	sorry english wikipedia wasn't able to locate it	20:25
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: you do realise that SAP only provides "remote access" to the card	20:25
crashanddie	it doesn't actually allow for the card contents to be copied or anything	20:26
crashanddie	you're still asking the card to do basic crypto operations, whether it's your phone directly or another device	20:26
DocScrutinizer	yes, but there has to be a method inside the car unit that uses SAP to access the remote SIM	20:26
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crashanddie	the output of those operations is then used to do x, but the next time you want to do x, if card is not available, you can't just replay the same output	20:27
DocScrutinizer	so I pondered if maybe the N900 modem would support such method, to 'inject' a fake SIM from linux system	20:27
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crashanddie	well, it wouldn't be that hard to try	20:27
crashanddie	as long as you had a container that could contain all the SIM data, and had a simulator that could reproduce all the SIM functions	20:28
DocScrutinizer	you readout KI of a SIM, emulate it in linux userland, and inject the authentication yaggediyag into the modem via SAP client method	20:28
crashanddie	which wouldn't be a small amount of work either	20:28
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DocScrutinizer	I wouldn't think it's easy. Just pondering about ways to implement it at all	20:29
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DocScrutinizer	we already learnt it's even not that simple to readout the KI from a SIM, so the whole thing is rather academic anyway	20:31
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DocScrutinizer	except if you plan to spread fake sim emulator software all over the world - in which case it might be worh the effort	20:31
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hawai`i	Not worth it.	20:32
DocScrutinizer	(such a software emulated SIM could easily be shared obviously)	20:32
hawai`i	Huge ass amounts of work	20:32
DocScrutinizer	until it gets on the blacklists	20:32
hawai`i	and I don't that you can easily inject the data	20:32
hawai`i	that's why it's closed.	20:32
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DocScrutinizer	yes, I'm rather sure no normal modem FW will allow SAP client mode	20:34
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DocScrutinizer	it's an insane thing to implement	20:35
DocScrutinizer	so back to hw-bus injection ;-P	20:35
hawai`i	lol	20:35
hawai`i	Not worth it either.	20:36
DocScrutinizer	of course, just chatting	20:36
DocScrutinizer	the whole copy-sim thing isn't worth it	20:36
DocScrutinizer	if you want multi-SIM, get a sim-doubler	20:37
DocScrutinizer	or, better, get a dual-line SIM	20:37
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DocScrutinizer	if you want to use your sim in different defices and don't like to swap, then get a twin-SIM	20:38
dhq	can i install a 32gb card on my n900	20:38
DocScrutinizer	s/defi/devi/	20:38
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: if you want to use your sim in different devices and don't like to swap, then get a twin-SIM	20:38
Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, most cellular operators do not allow it	20:39
Arkenoi	so you heed to do it yourself	20:39
hawai`i	dhq: not sure if the controller supports microsdxc	20:39
dhq	hmm so what is the maximum	20:40
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DocScrutinizer	dhq: yes you can	20:40
jacekowski	dhq: if you can get 32G card	20:40
jacekowski	dhq: because i couldn't find any place where i could buy one	20:40
DocScrutinizer	afaik 32G isn't xc yet	20:40
DocScrutinizer	it's still hc	20:40
DocScrutinizer	though out of the specs iirc	20:41
jacekowski	there is always i2c	20:41
dhq	whats xc and hc	20:41
DocScrutinizer	high capacity and extended	20:41
dhq	k	20:41
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hawai`i	I'm bored. What else needs to be worked on?	20:53
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SpeedEvil	USB host mode?	20:54
SpeedEvil	/ checkpoint app in early boot?	20:54
hawai`i	Yes go on...	20:54
hawai`i	wait what?	20:54
hawai`i	checkpoint for what?	20:54
SpeedEvil	A way to take images of the whole of / - and restore them	20:55
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hawai`i	ah	20:56
hawai`i	Why not just package a mini-Mer-esque installation that dd's it off?	20:56
SpeedEvil	that'd work	20:56
hawai`i	Seems like the easiest way and less mucking around with upstart/initfs crap	20:57
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hawai`i	okay I'll do it	20:58
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hawai`i	suppose I should get an externally bootable kernel first huh	21:00
SpeedEvil	It's moderately non-trivil	21:00
SpeedEvil	ial	21:00
hawai`i	Yes. Just have to actually, sit down and do it.	21:00
SpeedEvil	the 'easy' way would be something like the boot-loader app - that installed prior	21:01
SpeedEvil	the slightly less easy way is a meego or something-based image that boots from mmc and lets you do rescue stuff	21:01
SpeedEvil	so you can just use flasher to boot the rescue kernel - which doesn't need to be installed even - and have a spare 'rescue' mmc	21:02
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derf	Interesting. I managed to lock up the N900 without triggering the watchdog timer.	21:11
ShadowJK	I've done that	21:12
derf	It doesn't respond to input or network, and has been stuck like that for almost 5 hours (and I wasn't doing anything with it 5 hours ago, either).	21:13
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derf	It also doesn't respond to the power button.	21:13
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ShadowJK	:D	21:13
ShadowJK	long press power button?	21:13
derf	Yes, that is what I meant.	21:14
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ShadowJK	Once I managed to trigger some kernel bug. IO to /home and MyDocs was blocked, everything trying to access it hung. swap IO was fine.	21:14
derf	It does respond to yanking the battery.	21:14
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SpeedEvil	I would be much more impressed if it diddn't.	21:15
ShadowJK	optified stuff and apps that read/write settings, or access any of the dbs, hung	21:15
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hawai`i	I love the iPhone commercials that fail to mention other requirements.	21:23
hawai`i	"The iPhone can turn off your living room lights!"	21:23
hawai`i	SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=657224&postcount=22	21:26
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kalikiana	sounds scary. if that were true, I should be afraid of anyone with an iphone walking near my house	21:26
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MohammadAG_	hawai`i, apparently copying and pasting is something I've never seen before (or that's what the ads think)	21:26
hawai`i	MohammadAG_: They're stuck in 2002	21:27
MohammadAG_	sure it's not 10 years before that?	21:27
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johnsq	Hi	21:27
MohammadAG_	I remember copying and pasting in Win 98	21:27
MohammadAG_	hey johnsq	21:28
hawai`i	I remember it in PPC2003	21:29
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MohammadAG_	hawai`i, Read the MCE file, devildriven. It clearly states the last end values of the strings control the pickup speed. They are adjustable between 1-254	21:32
MohammadAG_	isn't it 0-255?	21:32
hawai`i	Essentially the same thing.	21:33
MohammadAG_	1 != 0	21:33
MohammadAG_	do you run on a SoC or something?	21:33
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GAN900	RST38h, can you ship a flipped rotation arrow with the next FBReader update if I make one for you?	21:35
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RST38h	GAN900: yea	21:36
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richieeee72	Hello, does anyone know how to recover data from the internal memory on the N900, after getting "Memory Card Corrupted"? On MyDocs partition mmcblk0p1?	21:42
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Stskeeps	check if the partition table is still there	21:43
SpeedEvil	you mean the vfat partition?	21:43
richieeee72	yes, the vfat partition, the 20 something gb one.	21:44
DocScrutinizer	(spare 'rescue' mmc) that would be mad useful, indeed	21:44
richieeee72	how can I check the partition table, I don't have fdisk on the N900, is there something else?	21:44
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: mce file? what ya talkin bout?	21:45
MohammadAG_	this'll be hard to find	21:45
SpeedEvil	there is sfdisk installed by default	21:45
SpeedEvil	Okaaay.	21:45
SpeedEvil	I flashed 1.1.1 - why is there a really huge maemo update in HAM	21:45
MohammadAG_	nvm, DocScrutinizer http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656985&postcount=6	21:45
SpeedEvil	Oh	21:46
SpeedEvil	I flashed 1.0	21:46
tybollt	SpeedEvil: Don't do that	21:46
SpeedEvil	1.1	21:46
tybollt	SpeedEvil: I hate you	21:46
SpeedEvil	that'll do it	21:46
tybollt	oh	21:46
tybollt	so it's 1.1.1 you have?	21:46
MohammadAG_	he still hates you	21:46
tybollt	in HAM?	21:46
tybollt	MohammadAG_: sssssh you	21:46
SpeedEvil	RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin	21:46
SpeedEvil	I flashed	21:46
SpeedEvil	which unsurprisingly ...	21:46
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MohammadAG_	1.0 lol	21:47
tybollt	meh	21:47
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tybollt	you do realize I die a little inside every time you get my hopes up like that ;)	21:47
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: lame topic :-/	21:48
hawai`i	He's just razzing me.	21:48
hawai`i	DocScrutinizer: what else is new?!	21:49
richieeee72	Speedevil: thanks, used sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 and can see the three partitions, but not sure what to do next...	21:49
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: new??	21:49
MohammadAG_	hawai`i, not really, 1-254 != 0-255	21:50
RST38h	1.2 1.2 1.2	21:50
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hawai`i	DocScrutinizer: with lame topics	21:50
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SpeedEvil	richieeee72: I would dd it off to some linux or dos box, and then run a filesystem repair tool	21:50
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: hawai`i: dudes you drive me nuts, what's so difficult in reading that friggn mce.ini?	21:50
MohammadAG_	DocScrutinizer, umm, nothing?	21:51
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hawai`i	Wait what?	21:51
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hawai`i	That's what I told the clown to do.	21:51
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MohammadAG_	it's getting weird in here switches screens	21:51
DocScrutinizer	# Speed from 1 to 255	21:52
MohammadAG_	he missed a value then :P	21:52
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RST38h	wazd hey	21:54
wazd	RST38h: heya :)	21:54
DocScrutinizer	btw "pickup speed"? PICKUP?	21:55
richieeee72	SpeedEvil: thanks for the idea, I'll give it a go as soon as I've got my N900 networked to my pc, cheers.	21:55
DocScrutinizer	what's pickup speed?	21:55
SpeedEvil	?	21:56
SpeedEvil	oh	21:56
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG_: and a vibrator speed of 0 doesn't make much sense, does it?	21:56
MohammadAG_	unless you want it off	21:57
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SpeedEvil	IIRC a vibrator speed of 15 or so is the minimum	21:57
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hawai`i	DocScrutinizer: pick-up speed is how long it takes to reach full voltage	21:57
hawai`i	er rotation	21:58
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DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: aiui that # Speed from 1 to 255 clearly is the PWM value for vibrator when it reaches max in OnPeriod	22:00
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RST38h	Wait, what are you doing with that vibrator?	22:03
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SpeedEvil	Remember - n900 is not waterproof.	22:04
DocScrutinizer	you got attack-sustain-release shape, where $AcceleratePeriod is the duration of attack, $OnPeriod is the duration it runs with $Speed, $BreakPeriod is decay, and $OffPeriod is the pause between loops	22:04
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: MohammadAG ^^^	22:04
hawai`i	Who wrote that?	22:04
DocScrutinizer	me, this very moment	22:04
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DocScrutinizer	you're free to quote me though ;-)	22:06
hawai`i	You ever see soap roll down the crack of a mans ass?	22:07
_radz_	hey guys, I have just installed maemo5 sdk using the python GUI wizard, and I get the error: configure: error: Package requirements (hildonmm >= 0.9.6) were not met:	22:07
_radz_	No package 'hildonmm' found	22:07
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_radz_	any help would be appreciated	22:08
DocScrutinizer	err, s/decay/release	22:09
DocScrutinizer	hawai`i: seems you're got another idea how to read those values?	22:09
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DocScrutinizer	you've	22:10
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hawai`i	No, just the last one.	22:11
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joker_89	hi	22:13
joker_89	anyone knows how to know phone model using python?	22:13
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, I edited the Speed values for some of my vib profiles, seemed to work the way I expected	22:14
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: hey you there?	22:28
DocScrutinizer	almost not	22:28
Dima202	Sorry ran out on you yestorday	22:28
Dima202	So it worked just fine for you and for me my tv goes black	22:28
Dima202	I need ideas to fix this issue	22:29
DocScrutinizer	sorry no idea wrt that. Except maybe try with a different TV	22:29
Dima202	But TV is displaying eveyrhing else	22:30
Dima202	and mplay is displaying video (although laggy)	22:30
Dima202	mplayer*	22:30
DocScrutinizer	maybe mediaplayer is sending some control signal (like format=16:9) that your TV doesn't like	22:31
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RST38h	what a silly excuse for the sdk...	22:31
DocScrutinizer	really, either your TV is weird, or your HW is broken	22:32
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Dima202	DocScrutinizer: tv or n900	22:32
DocScrutinizer	or you're using another version of mediaplayer than I do	22:33
DocScrutinizer	Dima202: whatever, cable N900 TV. Really the reported facts are non-conclusive	22:33
Dima202	DocScrutinizer: what if I record whats happening	22:34
Dima202	on a camera	22:34
Dima202	With voice over and everything	22:34
DocScrutinizer	nad as I can't make a reasonable story out of the whole set of symptoms, I also am short of ideas how to fix the issue	22:35
DocScrutinizer	check with another TV	22:35
Dima202	DocScrutinizer: when you have your n900 connected to the tv the picture is pretty ugly no?	22:35
Dima202	DocScrutinizer: I have just the one	22:35
DocScrutinizer	yes, like always	22:35
ShadowJK	I'm not sure I'd call it ugly	22:36
DocScrutinizer	anyway, bbl... ->dinner	22:36
Arkenoi	what is the maximum resolution one may get from tv out?	22:36
Dima202	Alright DocScrutinizer good appetite	22:36
Dima202	640x480? i dunno	22:36
DocScrutinizer	x*512, 16bbp	22:37
DocScrutinizer	aka 65k colors	22:37
DocScrutinizer	for PAL, for NTSC it's probably x*480	22:37
Arkenoi	and that is the maximum x?	22:38
DocScrutinizer	not sure about that	22:38
Trewas	I'd but an 'f' to the front of ugly when speaking of n900's tv-out, quality is something you'd get from a VHS... if it even was anamorphic widescreen it would be a bit better	22:38
ShadowJK	the widescreen seems to cut y resolution a bit	22:38
Dima202	Trewas: yeah but it's using a pretty standard connector, easy to find and just one hole for audio/video and audio is pretty decent.. It's fine for what it is really	22:39
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Dima202	The newer ones will come out with hdmi so should see lots of improvement there	22:40
ShadowJK	the video (as in media player) actually has different path through dss to screen, as evident by UI only appearing on n900 :)	22:40
ShadowJK	it's probably like PC graphics cards a few years ago, where video was different hardware than the thing drawing rgb framebuffer	22:41
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damnshock	hello everyone :)	22:41
Dima202	ShadowJK: so you think that path is using the dsp chip and thus my n900 dsp is broken	22:41
DocScrutinizer	it's using different framebuffers. The fb for AV seems is only 16bbp deep	22:41
DocScrutinizer	that's really bad quality	22:42
ShadowJK	Dima202, no if dsp was broken you'd get no video playback at all, with or without tvout	22:42
damnshock	I wanted to ask if any of you has installed the maemo sdk on a non debian distro	22:42
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damnshock	I'm currently running on Archlinux	22:42
ShadowJK	well video is 12 bits per pixel ;D	22:42
damnshock	and I downloaded the gui installer	22:42
DocScrutinizer	OMFG	22:43
damnshock	should it run without problems?	22:43
Dima202	hey DocScrutinizer what version is your mplayer?	22:43
DocScrutinizer	dunno	22:43
Dima202	i mean media player	22:43
DocScrutinizer	1.1.1	22:43
Dima202	how did yo ucheck?	22:43
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ShadowJK	heh	22:43
DocScrutinizer	I got Pr1.1.1	22:44
DocScrutinizer	and no special mediaplayer	22:44
Dima202	me to on pr 1.1.1	22:44
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DocScrutinizer	so you say your TV is black from beginning, whenever you playback a videofile >400MB?	22:45
Dima202	yeah, i see media player on tv and i choose the file it starts showing those circles	22:45
Dima202	then i see n900 circles stuck on 3rd or 4th circle and tv is black	22:45
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DocScrutinizer	I'd guess you have a uSD with read errors	22:46
Dima202	HMM Was there an update for media playuer in devel or extras?	22:47
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DocScrutinizer	sorry, no good idea how to check that. bbl	22:47
DocScrutinizer	cya	22:47
Dima202	later DocScrutinizer thanks	22:47
Dima202	media player is Media Box Media Center right?	22:48
Dima202	I have version 2010.05.08 of MediaBox Media Center	22:48
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ShadowJK	no	22:50
ShadowJK	media player is what's included	22:51
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ShadowJK	it's not in extras at all.	22:51
ShadowJK	Media Box Media Center is something else	22:52
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BCMM	anybody else just get spammed by someone in this channel?	23:11
hawai`i	Nope.	23:11
BCMM	just got sent a porn link	23:12
tybollt	wow cool	23:12
tybollt	share!	23:12
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BCMM	tybollt: i'm not especially inclined to click it	23:12
BCMM	i mean, it may not be porn	23:12
BCMM	i won't name names in case it was a real user and meant for somebody else	23:13
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BCMM	yeah, it was animooo	23:14
Stskeeps	got the same on cycle, so	23:14
BCMM	CTCP-VERSION was mIRC	23:14
BCMM	so yeah, probably got pwned...	23:14
DocScrutinizer51	friggin idiot	23:15
BCMM	me, or animooo?	23:16
DocScrutinizer51	animooo of course	23:16
BCMM	(i dunno, there are probably still mirc fans...)	23:16
ZogG	does anyone here use twitter from n900?	23:17
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petteri	ZogG: i use	23:19
petteri	http://www.tweetgo.net is what I am using	23:19
DocScrutinizer51	I wonder why ircd7 hasn't klined that moron. detecting mass /query shouldn't be hard	23:19
ZogG	petteri i mean any client	23:20
ZogG	it was fine	23:20
petteri	but	23:20
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petteri	?	23:20
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ZogG	i used it alll the time but today in the middle of day o got - can't autificate (how do i spell that word)	23:20
BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: sounds like he was going pretty slow	23:21
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ZogG	tried on meego and mauku	23:21
ZogG	but works on microb	23:21
DocScrutinizer51	so somebody should join #freenet and report	23:21
petteri	i think the errors are because twitter.com is not working, Too much users or something	23:22
petteri	i am happy with tweetgo.net	23:22
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hawai`i	Sweet.	23:33
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hawai`i	N900 locked up.	23:33
hawai`i	No wd interrupt.	23:34
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DocScrutinizer51	so it's probably not locked up, but terribly busy	23:43
DocScrutinizer51	usually swapping	23:44
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hawai`i	I pulled the battery.	23:45
DocScrutinizer51	take care,all your input will store up	23:45
hawai`i	I can't be arsed to wait around.	23:45
DocScrutinizer51	lol then not	23:45
hawai`i	lol	23:45
hawai`i	I did spawn about 40 different processes	23:45
hawai`i	so was sort of ready for it when the phone rang.	23:46
DocScrutinizer51	10sec powerbtn hold should work and is a lil more polite than pulling bat	23:46
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DocScrutinizer51	alas can't test it as mine is borked	23:48
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hawai`i	fsck and I'm over it.	23:48
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer51, again?	23:50
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DocScrutinizer51	pwrbtn broke	23:51
DocScrutinizer51	nokia fsckd it on repair :-P	23:51
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DocScrutinizer51	needs more feeling than a virgin to convince it	23:52
DocScrutinizer51	well N900 has such a plenty of hw pushbuttons - I can bear the one	23:53
joker_89	any knows any database will all firmware codes for nokia?	23:53
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DocScrutinizer51	for now	23:54
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joker_89	yes	23:55
tybollt	joker_89: sorry no we will not give you the leaked beta 1.2	23:55
lcuk	DocScrutinizer51, you know in movies when people sit there cleaning guns and stripping them down timing them..	23:55
joker_89	leacked beta 1.2?	23:55
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DocScrutinizer51	yeah assemble AK47 in 3.9s	23:56
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer51, o_O	23:57
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* DocScrutinizer51 burrps		23:57
lcuk	well i imagine you doing same with n900	23:57
Arkenoi	i studied ak-47 assembly/disassembly in school	23:57
Arkenoi	timed	23:58
Arkenoi	or was it ak-45?	23:58
Arkenoi	don't remember	23:58
tybollt	Arkenoi: in school? What the fucking fuck?	23:59
* Arkenoi wonders if i still can do it		23:59
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tybollt	if you study ak47 in school it's pretty fucked up a school =)	23:59

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