IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-05-15

rcg1i had some wrong entries in my control files, and corrected these but for some reasons is not picking up the corrected values00:00
rcg1it keeps displaying the some incorrect values from older releases00:00
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MohammadAGhmm, when I change entries they get auto updated00:01
MohammadAGdid you check after a day or so?00:01
MohammadAGthe importer runs on xx:05 and xx:35 each hour00:01
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MohammadAGsmoku had that problem with UAE4ALL00:02
rcg1aye ic00:02
rcg1its just from time to time i start again to fiddle about that problem but can't seem to find a solution00:03
MohammadAGrcg1, what did you change?00:04
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rcg1bugtracker link and description00:04
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rcg1thats what the extracted control file looks like00:06
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rcg1i have the suspicion that it is stumbling over some buggy control file from an older version00:07
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rcg1the control file looks ok to me00:07
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MohammadAGrcg1, sometimes the importer f's up, I'd suggest leaving X-Fade a PM and he'll prolly have a look @ it00:09
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fralsare you bumping version number for each version you upload as well?00:10
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rcg1alright .. then i'll have to bother him again .. thanks for your help!00:10
rcg1frals: yes00:10
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rcg1well i.e. the build number00:10
MohammadAGfrals, wouldn't it get rejected if he doesn't?00:11
fralsno idea, just throwing it out there ;P00:11
MohammadAGDamn ZAGG keep spamming my inbox with iStuff00:11
rcg1exactly .. just typing to slow ;)00:11
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rcg1i don't know if it is important ... i am also missing the "Old version cleaned by repository management" messages for the offending package00:14
rcg1 <-- this package has nearly the same history as the offending ant package but behaves very well so far00:15
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fralsimpressive how you managed to get different version in armel/i386 of ant :)00:15
creatixmass chat test, can u please join:00:17
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rcg1frals: yeah .. blame me there for having no clue ;)00:17
rcg1also thought it might be because of these different versions etc. but as you see the clojure package looks the same and is not problematic00:18
yabbacan't add that bugtracker manually, it will broke MD500:19
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JaffaX-Fade: urgent ping00:23
rcg1yabba: you could manually update md5sums and filesizes in the *changes and *dsc files but this wouldnt be very pragmatic imho00:23
rcg1yabba: might go with pypackager directly?00:24
Jaffabergie: alternative ping00:24
rcg1yabba: <-- see the bottom of the file00:25
bergieJaffa: pong00:25
Jaffabergie: Trying to save a new article under and was getting "the given internal name was not 'clean', try ..." - but I don't have an internal name field, it's auto-derived it from my first title.00:25
bergieJaffa: what was your title?00:26
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rcg1yabba: or see for a more sophisticated example00:26
Jaffabergie: just tried creating a new article with the title: " this sprint and beyond meeting - Monday 17th May 13:00 UTC"00:27
Jaffabergie: And I get: "Given name is not "clean", try 'maemo-org-this_sprint_and_beyond_meeting-monday_17th_may_13-00_utc'"00:27
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Jaffabergie: Any hint as to which character to avoid?00:27
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yabbarcg1, so I start to learn use pypackager then :/00:28
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bergieJaffa: let me check what the config on "clean URL names" says there00:28
Jaffabergie: Limited myself to alphanumerics, space and ':'. Got the damend thing up00:28
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Jaffabergie: If I can't edit the URL/internal name, I really don't give a damn how it auto-cleans it ;-)00:29
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rcg1yabba: .. the only thing which looked in your py2deb script a little bit differently as compared to mine is that you have only a single line description in " while i have multiline descriptions in """00:29
bergieJaffa: ok, can you file me a bug to check the config there?00:29
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rcg1yabba: you could also give that a try first but i don't know if thats the issue00:31
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crashanddielmao, Shapeshifter is such a plonker00:36
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yabbarcg1, there is 2 things to try (before I try pyPackager), I changed that description to multiline and update the py2deb (I find out that there were newer version in -devel).00:36
yabbadamn, moskitos!00:36
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: heh00:37
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: proud of it00:37
crashanddieJaffa: it's the :, methinks00:37
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crashanddieJaffa: or -00:38
crashanddieShapeshifter: please don't post utter crap about IDEs like you did on TMO00:38
crashanddieShapeshifter: some people might actually read you and think you're insightful00:38
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: I usually don't comment on stuff on tmo, but after having to work with eclipse for two months I couldn't miss the chance to rant.00:39
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crashanddieoh wow, a whole 2 months eh?00:39
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crashanddieI've been using it for the past 3 bloody years, and couldn't commend it enough00:39
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: half of the time it's useful and assistive, the other half of the time it comes in your way being annoying.00:40
rcg1yabba: let me know how it goes ;)00:40
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: different tastes I guess.00:40
yabbarcg1, yep00:40
Shapeshifterif you swear on it, go on00:40
crashanddieShapeshifter: indeed, taste, no need to crap on it because it doesn't match your tastes00:40
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: is it slow?00:40
crashanddieShapeshifter: there's a difference between saying "This doesn't taste very nice", and "This is horseshit"00:40
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: well some people like horseshit I guess.00:41
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crashanddieShapeshifter: no, it isn't slow, get a decent computer ffs00:41
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crashanddieShapeshifter: say what you think all you want, just don't insult good developers because they use a tool00:42
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: look. Eclipse - imo - is a total mess. It's slow, it's buggy and it offends all basic principles of cleanness. It ships with its own stupid package manager, it comes in your way constantly and if you're caught in the illusion of it being helpful, you might wanna go without it for a couple of months and you'll see that you never really needed it.00:42
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: it isn't slow? oh come on...00:42
crashanddieShapeshifter: claiming eclipse is a tool that "helps mediocre programmers not get lost in a medium sized business application"00:43
Shapeshiftertakes like half a minute to load on a decent machine00:43
crashanddieis just insulting a whole load of people00:43
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: I admit it is00:43
Shapeshiftersorry about that00:43
crashanddieShapeshifter: unlike what, vc++? Takes exactly the same amount of time00:43
Shapeshiftercouldn't help it. but don't go around saying it isn't slow.00:43
* Arkenoi uses vi. 00:43
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* Shapeshifter uses vi or geany00:43
crashanddieShapeshifter: any program with such a codebase is going to be slow. Isn't that like saying a tank is useless because it isn't as fast as a racecar?00:44
yabbarcg1, lol'd I think it was that description...00:44
Shapeshifterinteresting analogy. oh, but tanks only destroy things, so I guess I'll have to ignore that.00:44
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SpeedEvilTanks can also build bridges.00:45
crashanddieSpeedEvil: that tank is insane, btw00:45
crashanddieSpeedEvil: the one from the british engineers?00:45
crashanddiewhatever the division is called00:46
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: There has been a long-history of engineering tanks. Back to their invention00:46
rcg1yabba: lol, ok .. well good if it works now :)00:46
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: btw, there's some thing I noticed. Maybe I'm wrong or didn't notice anything, but it seems like there's almost no good piece of software written in java. if you leave out eclipse and netbeans which are both debatable, there's not much left.00:46
ShapeshifterI think there's a streaming server that sounded reasonable00:47
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Shapeshifterbut it seemed to me like software written in java tends to be rather bad.00:47
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ShapeshifterAny clues for other good software written in java?00:47
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Shapeshifter(because honestly I just don't know much)00:47
* SpeedEvil uses JOSM a fair bit.00:48
crashanddieShapeshifter: altitude, we feel fine00:48
SpeedEvil - java openstreetmap editor00:48
budfiveSpeedEvil: I feel that's despite its JAVA-ness, not because of it00:48
crashanddieShapeshifter: also, a lot of enterprise software is written in Java, not that I expect you to understand that anything beyond what you see could be good00:49
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: I admit I haven't had *much* contact with enterprise software (except of a few months using some customer database software, not developing it) but my impressions are that business software is usually writte without much care for "goodness" but rather "get it done"00:50
Shapeshifterwhich is kinda understandable because much of it is a bit boring.00:50
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crashanddieShapeshifter: websphere is an amazing piece of code, as is Jboss, let's not even mention xerces or intellij, azureus, jedit, go grinder, squirrel, sweet home 3d, runescape, aerith, genj, visual vm, jalbum :)00:52
rcg1Shapeshifter: do you consider only end user software?00:53
crashanddieto be honest, I wouldn't even think of writing anything in Java unless it'll use Jboss or webspher00:53
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: I see you have a lot more experience than I do00:53
Shapeshifterrcg1: I consider only what I know ;)00:53
rcg1Shapeshifter: hehe ic00:53
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crashanddieShapeshifter: check out it's a bit CPU intensive, but definitely worth a look (and sadly, the flash implementation is even worse)00:54
rcg1Shapeshifter: personally i like ant, junit, swt, swtbot quite well00:54
crashanddieShapeshifter: also, have a look at very nice project, very nice ideas00:54
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rcg1and clojure looks also interesting00:54
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: that "we feel fine" is incredibly slow.00:55
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crashanddiealso heaps of information going around :)00:55
crashanddieruns fine on my computer though00:55
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crashanddieShapeshifter: also:
crashanddieah crap, it's flash00:56
Shapeshiftermaybe it's because I have openjdk on this box.00:56
Shapeshifterbut it's a c2d 6850. kinda doubt it's much slower than yours.00:56
crashanddieah yes, I run sun jre00:57
crashanddieand only have a 2.6ghz c2d00:57
crashanddiebut if you check the whale hunt, you'll notice it's dog slow as well, just because of the massive amount of information being displayed00:57
crashanddietimeline is the way to display it, btw00:58
crashanddie(bottom right corner)00:58
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ShapeshifterI don't really get it. it's like a slide show00:59
Shapeshifterwith tags01:00
crashanddieyeah, he had a camera attached to his torso, and it would take more pictures based on his heartrate01:00
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crashanddieso the more excited he got, the more often it would take pictures01:00
crashanddiein timeline you can actually see, in a kind of pulse wave format where the actual whale killing went on01:01
crashanddieanother project of Jon is this:
crashanddiebut if wff.o was slow for you, don't even bother opening this one01:01
crashanddiethere's so many people contributing to it, I can't even run it decently01:01
SpeedEvilbudfive: Well - the other editor is flash.01:02
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SpeedEvilbudfive: Which is actually quite OK. - it's written using an open-source toolchain01:02
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Shapeshifterso now we know that java is pretty slow?01:02
crashanddienha, it would be slow in any language, really01:03
crashanddieunless maybe C01:03
Shapeshifterwell at least it's cross platform I guess....01:03
crashanddiebut any portable language would be slow01:03
budfiveSpeedEvil: I tried to love merkaartor, but it was way too bug-ridden01:03
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budfiveSpeedEvil: Last time I looked at this (maybe 4 months ago) it did seem like josm was easily the best of the bunch01:03
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: do you know a better java visual framework than swing?01:04
Shapeshifterswing is awful.01:04
rcg1Shapeshifter: swt01:04
rcg1it provides native look and feel01:04
crashanddieShapeshifter: I've never done much in terms of GUI with Java, unless I was drawing everything myself01:04
crashanddieShapeshifter: and then again, I would just go through processing01:05
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rcg1btw. the just in time compiler provides a decent speed up01:06
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crashanddieShapeshifter: here's another pretty fun project: demonstrates a java app that searches for tweets with specific sentences to show airflight:
Arkenoiis there a desktop software functionally similar to Mussorgsky?01:08
rcg1crashanddie: ain't processing more for "graphical effects" .. thats what o saw from it so far01:08
crashanddiercg1: look at video above, is done using processing01:08
crashanddiercg1: but yeah, the primary goal of processing is to allow developers to do "art" by typing code01:09
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: well those are all nice ideas and concepts but I was more referring to applications you might use every day. those don't seem to be written in java very often (well except of business applications)01:09
rcg1crashanddie: hehe yeah thats what i meant ;)01:09
crashanddieShapeshifter: because they're not meant to?01:09
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crashanddieShapeshifter: I don't see java as a language that would suit most apps for desktop usage, and I don't think anyone who understands java does01:10
rcg1crashanddie: i always become jealous because of these neat effects01:10
crashanddieShapeshifter: it's like writing a torrent tracker in PHP. Sure, you can do it, but would you run it? Probably not01:10
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: what is it good for then, where most other oo languages would be less suited?01:10
crashanddieShapeshifter: Java, for me, allows for quick prototyping, and having fun whether I'm on my mac, my windows box, or my Linux VM01:11
rcg1Shapeshifter: if you look for a swing (or even awt) replacement you might take a look at SWT .. its imo a pretty neat solution01:11
Shapeshifterso like python for me01:11
crashanddieit allows me to send some source code through to a friend, knowing that he just needs to dump it in eclipse, and I know it'll run01:11
crashanddiealso, it allows my customers to run my code, because I know they all run websphere 6.x, so I know that I just need to zip up an EAR file, and they can deploy it01:11
crashanddiethese are people who run mainframes on triple or quadruple books (each book = roughly $100k)01:12
crashanddiethey don't care if java is 95 or 97% the speed of C01:12
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Shapeshiftercrashanddie: so would you want to run eclipse on your n900?01:12
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crashanddiebecause the amount of shit you get in with error handling in C, or the difficulty of matching up correct library versions on solaris, zlinux, and whatnot is just madness01:13
crashanddieShapeshifter: definitely not01:13
Arkenoiwell, i ran eclipse on 500MHz PA-RISC01:13
Arkenoithe speed was quite decent01:13
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: well at least we can agree on that :>01:13
crashanddieShapeshifter: for the same reason i wouldn't want outlook or thunderbird on my n90001:13
crashanddieor openoffice, for that matter01:14
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crashanddieShapeshifter: java is about a whole lot more than speed01:14
crashanddieit's a shame the speed junkies can't wrap their head around that01:14
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crashanddiedid I earn a cookie?01:15
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* MohammadAG gives crashanddie half a cookie01:16
MohammadAGnow trademark it and start selling mobiles01:16
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crashanddiecunt Phone?01:16
MohammadAGcrashanddie, cookie, cunt, whatever you want01:17
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MohammadAGthe first 1 was a suggestion not a ping01:17
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DrWilkenSpeed -> :D01:21
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heoaanyone has full debian apt-get in n810L02:11
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PhonicUKhey all02:14
PhonicUKanyone know a good theme? something blue...02:14
PhonicUKmaybe a blue version of the human theme02:15
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PhonicUKavatar is an awesome film02:16
PhonicUKi cant wait to play the game in 3D02:16
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PhonicUKare those themes in the repos?02:17
heoaanyone chrooted OpenBSD to N810?02:18
SpeedEvilI was simply suggesting things along the blue human theme.02:18
PhonicUKoh dear...02:19
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PhonicUKthat was annoying02:21
PhonicUKxchat decided to have a funny moment02:21
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pigeonwhere are all the user desktop configuration/desktop file stored?02:32
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PhonicUKpigeon, ~/.config ?02:45
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SpeedEvil /home/user/.purple/02:47
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hcmSpeedEvil: that directory doesn't even exist for me…02:52
hcmpigeon: are you looking for *.desktop files?02:52
hcmtry "find / -name02:52
hcmsorry… find / -name "*.desktop" | less02:53
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pigeonhmm, like, i've added a url shortcut on the desktop, where is that information stored?02:54
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lcukn900damn windows xchat03:17
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MohammadAGNight #maemo03:53
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FunnyfaceI am not asking "how" just whether it is possible or not, I want to stream video live from my N900 camera, and let people watch the video live on a flash video player or anything similar. can qik do that, or does it only allow me to record a video clip, then upload it afterwards?03:58
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Funnyfacenevermind, I figured it out :)04:01
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: ping04:38
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DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro04:38
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 6h 15m 4s ago, saying: 'rootfs'.04:38
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infobotnjsf <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 2h 32m 52s ago, saying: 're'.04:39
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DocScrutinizer~spank njsf_04:40
* infobot bends njsf_ over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on njsf_'s pasty white buttocks.04:40
DocScrutinizernow for the science part, here psychology, research about self-(un)consciousness04:44
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njsf_sorry just back from the tattoo removal service04:53
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Arkenoimedia player alphabetic sort just SUCKS. the person who invented this "feature" must be fucking out of his mind.05:14
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, pong?05:18
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: you're 'council'?05:19
GeneralAntillesYeah, why?05:19
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: - request for benevolent support05:20
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GeneralAntillesAh, yeah, Quim supposedly got devices for that05:20
GeneralAntillesI never heard where they went, though.05:20
DocScrutinizerI dunno if editing a wikipage is just enough05:21
DocScrutinizerso I thought I ping a few of those to whom it may concern05:22
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DocScrutinizerMy own device might see another outtime of 2 weeks next future (to repair a silly simple switch)05:23
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, yeah, remind me to poke the list if I don't do it by Sunday.05:24
GeneralAntillesI'll see if I can chase down the status.05:24
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GAN900Thanks for poking me.05:27
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: media player sucks by virtually all aspects of UI design - and the tracker concept sucks the most05:27
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: I *hate* it, when braindamaged mediaplayer/tracker-index ignores my carefully maintained directory tree to sort p0rn away from lolcatz, and the first 67 "photos" are the buttons of my IRreco remote GUI05:31
DocScrutinizerthat's so _incredibly_ idiotic, it doesn't even come by surprise when tracker also sucks a whole battery flat for doing this useless job - and developers didn't notice neither the inherent idiocy of the concept nor the broken implementation05:33
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ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, tracker may also wake up while you are scp'ing media files to the phone and slow everything down trying to index incomplete ones05:35
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DocScrutinizersure, it's fubar by design05:35
Arkenoior it may just wake up for now reason while you are watching movie and cause jerky playback due to io bottleneck05:36
DocScrutinizerlike trying to fight headache by building pyramids05:36
Arkenoifor no reason even05:36
GAN900They should have an X18-M addon for the N900+1. :P05:37
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Termanahey hey05:59
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lcukhey Termana you are chirpy this morning06:02
lcuk3 different signins on 3 different chans, impressive06:03
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Termanahey lcuk! 6 channels actually :P I have so many rooms I have to say hello in, I'm wondering weather I should even bother anymore :P06:03
lcuksorry, 4 :p06:03
lcuk<Termana> hello06:03
lcuk<Termana> hey hey06:03
lcuk<Termana> yello06:03
lcuk<Termana> heidy ho06:03
lcukTermana, i like your variety06:04
lcukgreeter bots would welcome such a selection06:04
Termanalol :P06:04
B-man|N900lcuk: have you seen that new iron man movie? :)06:04
lcukno, couldnt afford to go pictures06:04
* B-man|N900 just saw it06:04
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B-man|N900ah :(06:05
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B-man|N900lcuk: i'm assuming that it's 3:08pm there?06:08
lcuki was in bed for an hour or so06:09
B-man|N900i dont think i could handle only 1 hour of sleep - i would be crazy the next day lol06:11
Termanalcuk, is this something you do often?06:11
lcuki didnt sleep thats the point06:11
lcukTermana, being awake @ silly oclock?06:11
Termanalcuk, yes and not sleeping06:11
lcukyeah tho 4am doesnt get seen by me often any more really06:12
TermanaI can help you with that sleeping problem if you like06:12
* Termana grabs the hammer06:12
lcukheh its been a problem for 15 or so years ;)06:13
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lcuki just dont always type in here so late :p06:13
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B-man|N900lcuk: i'm guessing this is when you get most of your code work done? :)06:15
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lcukB-man|N900, its when my mind starts building things, whether its code or sandcastles doesn't much matter. its when i organise the thoughts of the day06:18
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B-man|N900ah ;)06:19
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DocScrutinizerhmm, dawn. End of the nice quite dark period06:27
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DocScrutinizeranyway sleep is overrated06:28
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: only when you're single06:30
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DocScrutinizerhmm, probably my english is too technical to get the ambiguity/pun06:32
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DocScrutinizerwhatever, I'm married with my gadgets, and they don't care about *my* timezone, and most of them don't have any preferences about when to 'sleep' if they do at all06:35
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B-man|N900gah, next week is going to be crazy :(06:35
B-man|N900i have to do a GIS analysis project for the iceland volcano :P06:35
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B-man|N900Geospatial Information Systems06:36
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B-man|N900it's a mouth full i know xD06:36
type_twhat program is used for rendering GIS Open Source or other?06:37
DocScrutinizermaybe you find the volcano does a very slow foxtrot06:37
B-man|N900Qgis perhaps?06:37
* B-man|N900 uses ArcMap06:38
B-man|N900and STK8 (sattelite tool kit)06:38
B-man|N900gah - i need sleep :(06:39
B-man|N900DocScrutinizer: interesting thing that i saw was the ash cloud being sucked into a weather system xD06:40
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type_tare dimonds coming up yet?06:42
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B-man|N900lol, no - but i thought i saw a little lava in the rim06:45
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type_tbut if the lava finds a way out through the side of the volcano . it can colapse and cause a inplosion.06:49
type_tfollowed by another big-bang-theory06:50
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nick3232i followed the wiki link07:49
nick3232and i need help with the n900 please07:49
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ZogGeveryone died in apocalypse07:52
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phish3alright people I'm in a pickle - its about time for a new smartphone (still on a g1) and I'd really like what I believe is going to be called an n920... whatever it is, the successor to the n90008:06
phish3question is when will such a phone be out08:06
phish3projections are fine08:06
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Surfaapparently you don't need a phone in near future?08:14
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pigeonhmm, this might not the right place, but i just tried to register on, got the e-mail, but when i tried to login to complete the registration, i got "Error: Could Not Get User".08:44
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`0660phish3, i wouldn't expect the next model to be available before xmas08:49
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`0660but that is just my guess08:49
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`0660i think there were at least rumours if not pictures of n900 in May last year. It was announced around August, and my pre-order was delivered in January08:54
Stskeepsi don't get those '920' rumours08:54
Stskeepsthere's a lot of misinformation out on shady blogs that has no merit whatsoever08:55
`0660so it can easily take about eight months from first pictures to deliveries08:55
`0660Stskeeps, rumours generate visitors :)08:56
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pigeoni wonder if this app actually exists:
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Funnyfacemobit probably does09:48
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phish3`0660: damn thats a while off09:55
phish3Surfa: I have a g1 right now... I want a signifcantly better one tho09:56
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phish3haven't used an n900 myself but given its hw specs its going to have a haaaaard time competing in the recent android saturation with snapdragon09:56
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phish3I was thinking nokia might up the anty to be back on competing specs earlier but even in that sense I'm thinking it wouldn't until summer at the very least09:57
phish3I could wait that long I think ....09:57
Funnyfacemobthe hardware isn't great, but maemo is lovely and the hardware is by far "good enough", I think anything more powerful is just overkill09:57
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phish3see I'm wanting an almost tablet that can do normal video without any bullcrap and thats what omap4/next class of hardware solves09:58
* ShadowJK suspects the next device will at most be a omap3 @ 720MHz09:58
phish3btw how's the pdf reader operate on the n900?09:59
phish3my g1 is dirt slow for that but it seems more recent phones on android do well, but if the pdf reader didn't receve enough tlc it can be slow/buggy...10:00
Funnyfacemobit has loaded anything I've tried, and with the high resolution of the display it looks good10:00
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phish3cool I got burned on pdfs with the g1, took a while for them to come out with the app alone and it sucked for a long while10:01
phish3know if its poppler based?10:01
FunnyfacemobI haven't tested it properly, so I don't know how it would handle a 200MB catalogue :P10:02
phish3haha, yea I'm just hoping 10-40 mB docs work ok10:02
`0660phish3, i'm quite happy with the video on n900 already. it seemed to have no problems even with 720p video when i tested it10:03
phish3720p h264?10:03
phish3hows battery life when doing so?10:03
`0660i'm not sure about the codec10:04
`0660i only played it for a couple of minutes10:04
`0660i use television to watch my series :)10:04
phish3yea again i know if you come at it from a well its a phone standpoint most of this is unneeded10:04
phish3I'm coming at it from a tablet perspective10:04
`0660also haven't had any trouble with pdfs10:05
Funnyfacemobfrom a fully charged battery I can use the device on wifi for chatting and some web browsing for something like 4-5 hours10:05
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phish3not bad10:06
phish3I'm used to about 2 hrs with heavy browsing on my g1 tops10:06
phish3heavy web browsing or gps rather10:07
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phish3all said and done I'll probably crap out and get an evo or nexus given timing constraints... it'd be great if nokia pulled out before I move tho, I could wait a month or two I suppose... I'd really like to throw my money at them :D10:09
phish3<3 qt10:09
Funnyfacemobis the g1 HTC?10:09
phish3ya, bastardization name for htc dream10:09
FunnyfacemobI got about that same battery time with my 2 HTC devices too10:10
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phish3my friends got a nexus (htc also) and it performs and has much better battery life10:10
Funnyfacemobnokia always made power efficient phones.. they could sit on standby for over 2 weeks without running out of power :P10:11
phish3I really hate the lack of storage on it though and even so java apps still have too many gc (pausing) and apps can be uncooperative in memory sharing10:11
* Stskeeps usually gets a whole day of n900 interaction before putting it on charger when i go to sleep10:11
phish3I think thats standard behavior these days10:12
phish3but good to know non the less10:12
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phish3btw how good is the mapping app?10:13
phish3er maps app10:14
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phish3even the nexus one leaves me sometimes wanting the more traditional standlone gps devices10:14
Funnyfacemobon the N900 there is plenty of space10:14
Funnyfacemobthere is an offline10:15
phish3and with g1 pauses I've almost gotten in accidents a few times heh10:15
Funnyfacemoberr.. misclick10:15
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Funnyfacemoboffline (maps loaded on to the memory card) turn by turn navigation program called sygic10:15
phish3I can definitely appreciate an offline mode10:16
Funnyfacemobsimilar to tomtom on winmo10:16
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phish3far too many network related issues happen when searching on google maps app10:16
* microlith attempts to create a widget and gets stuck at the last step10:16
Funnyfacemobbut it is not free, costs 39 euro I think10:16
Funnyfacemobalso, you have a nokia maps application which erm.. wants an internet connection, but also seems to work without one if you deny it a connection10:18
phish3gotta wonder how that works10:18
phish3caching I suppose for the most part...10:19
Funnyfacemobit probably has a cache of recently loaded bits or something10:19
Funnyfacemobmaybe someone else can answer that10:19
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Funnyfacemobanyway I am not really missing a single thing on my n90010:20
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phish3btw audio player play ogg out of the box?10:21
Funnyfacemobjust minor details like.. they could have given it some hardware buttons on the front panel for answering calls and such without sliding out the keyboard10:22
phish3I absolutely despised palm for not allowing oggs to be played despite including the relevant libraries in the runtime10:22
Funnyfacemobbut it obviously has touch screen buttons10:22
Funnyfacemobhaven't tried ogg, but I've seen ogg listed in the reposies so chances are it won't10:23
Funnyfacemobshould only take 30 secs to fix it though10:23
phish3well apt-getting something (it uses apt right?) isn't a problem10:23
phish3as long as it still works with the official media player10:23
phish3I suppose with the more open environment there might be alternative media players but I'm not interested that much in configuring the phone10:24
Funnyfacemobit has its own application manager GUI, don't know what backend it uses :p10:24
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Funnyfacemobwhat do you think of android then?10:27
FunnyfacemobI have only tried an unofficial semi working port on a winmo device :P10:28
phish3well I have an outdated experience10:28
Funnyfacemobseems to be a bit more intended for being used as a "phone" OS than maemo10:29
phish3due to limited romspace of the g1/dream I cannot load 2.0+10:29
phish3I don't know about that10:29
phish3I can see it being used on tablets (I've programmed a number of apps for it at an older job)10:29
Funnyfacemobcan't you install it to the microsd partition or something?10:29
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genewitchdoes anyone here know how upnp works? is there a package /script that lets me request a upnp port from a router via command line?10:30
phish3anyway I currently use cynogenmod or some such and am on 1.6 with a few 2.1+ backports10:30
phish3its pretty much not updatable anymore though since everybody has moved on to new and better phones and since you cant run the newer os you miss out on everything :x10:31
phish3but even on 1.6 things worked pretty well10:32
phish3but 192 mB of ram isn't enough, only something like 50 mB is available for apps to consume (total)10:32
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phish3dalvik/java combo sucked with gc10:32
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phish3they combated it in some places really awkwardly even for the programmer10:33
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phish3such as some functions take in a parameter which might be null but if isn't you can assume is something you returned earlier (widget wise) so you can try and reuse it10:34
phish3combine java app tendancy for apps to consume memory even if they don't need it and a system which doesn't close apps unless it deems necessary and you end up with a pretty painful and frustrated experience10:35
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phish3and when they all share something as little as 50mB... well, like I said the maps app almost got me in accidents more than a few times lol10:36
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Funnyfacemobdoesn't it swap ram?10:37
phish3oddly enough though a good deal of the time things work fine though, its a really odd relationship10:37
phish3not by default10:37
Funnyfacemobyou should enable that then, should eliminate lots of your frustration :P10:38
phish3you can partiition up your valuable minihdsc card  but I haven't seen it solve things10:38
phish3vm layer hides it from java10:38
phish3java apps go oh more memory to consume (not knowing its slower)10:38
phish3btw I'm a java programmer and like it in various places but the way its set up in android or at least crapper android devices I'm not a fan of lol10:39
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Funnyfacemobwell I am just an "average user" :P10:40
Funnyfacemobanyway at the moment I only have 10MB RAM free here10:42
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Funnyfacemoband it's using 160MB swap10:42
Funnyfacemobgot a bunch of stuff running10:42
phish3well its linux so it might be doing more caching to use up the ram10:42
Funnyfacemobdon't really notice any major impact on the performance10:42
Funnyfacemobbut so is android10:43
phish3yea but android the problem is in java10:43
phish3if you go to the linux layer at least normally the kernel caches everything to use the ram up10:43
phish3but purges cache way better than java apps (who don't really cooperate with eachother)10:44
phish3ah free -m should give you a good idea I think10:44
phish3it'll sub off the buffering/cache if the setup on the n900 does it10:44
Funnyfacemobit doesn't accept any parameters10:46
phish3its probably busybox then10:46
phish3just use it without the -m10:46
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Funnyfacemobyep :>10:46
Funnyfacemobanyway it doesn't display any info about caching :p10:48
jaskayou could always cat /proc/meminfo10:49
phish3ah here i was looking at /proc/vmstat10:49
Termanaphish3, you do know 2.1 is available for the G1 with OpenEclair (full eclair) and Cyanogen 5.0.7 (cyanogen's full eclair rather than donut with backports)10:49
phish3Termana: I haven't looked in a few months much but 5.0.7 cyanogen is for nexus and openeclair is missing various things I thought10:50
phish3least it seemed that way before...10:50
FunnyfacemobCached:            77272 kB10:50
Termanaphish3, 5.0.7 is for G1 - you've missed the fact the he recently decided to do Eclair for G1 because he was able to fix things that were broken with OpenEclair10:50
phish377 megs then10:50
phish3Termana: ah I don't even see 5.0.7 on his site10:51
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Termanaphish3, right, its still in testing (-test3 the last I looked)10:51
phish3mmm.... I don't know if I'm interested in testing branches10:51
Termanasorry, its actually -test510:52
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phish3Funnyfacemob: that means ur phone has 77 megs it can just dispose of at any time free... anything linux given sufficient usage should have 100% ram usage10:52
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Termanaphish3, Link for your viewing pleasure if you wish to try (or just read) -
phish3in android it seems more like the apps want to hog on to the memory individually so they don't do gc often, but like i said I find it detrimental, at least on the g110:54
phish3Termana: thanks10:54
phish3Termana: his updator made my lazy, I used to go check xda forums daily10:54
phish3er weekly10:54
phish3I'm not that much a nerd10:54
arachnisti never seen more than 3GB of ram in use on my desktop10:55
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arachnist(unless i was running some VMs)10:55
phish3excuse the multple lines10:55
phish3ason@archer:~> free -m10:55
phish3             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached10:55
phish3Mem:         12038      11962         75          0        170       293210:55
phish3-/+ buffers/cache:       8859       317910:55
phish3Swap:            0          0          010:55
phish3if you buy it, linux will consume lol10:55
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phish3no vms10:56
arachnistso what you're running there?10:56
arachnistor is it not a desktop, but a server?10:56
phish3chrome is probably being a bastard and taking up 3 gigs... sometimes it doesn't like reclaiming memory10:57
arachnistat work we have servers with over 64GB of ram used10:57
phish3its just a desktop (i7 I bought last year)10:57
Funnyfacemobis it just me or does it say 12MB total RAM?10:57
arachnistFunnyfacemob: s/MB/GB/10:57
phish3I went out of my way cause when dealing with matlab tomfoolery 4 gigs didn't cut it10:57
phish3no upgrade path in my older comp so I just spent the extra 2hundred upfront this time10:58
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arachnist8GB of ram here in desktop, 6GB in NAS (it's zfs based, so most of it is in use), 4GB of ram in my laptop10:58
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FunnyfacemobI am still holding on to 32bit windows :p10:59
Funnyfacemobso limited to ~3.3GB10:59
phish3yea i've only got this workstation and my laptop (4g there as well)10:59
arachnisti have no machine where running 32bit windows would be possible/reasonable10:59
TermanaI beat all of you10:59
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phish3or something beyond normal...?11:00
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TermanaI'm running on 900mhz Celeron and 512mb. Main computer, use it for everything - from web browsing to kernel compiles.11:00
arachnisteither it wouldn't run at all (arm/mips/sparc) or it would be a waste of resources (>=4GB of ram available)11:00
phish3Termana: I had actual deadlines to meet a few times and my older comp couldn't cut it11:00
TermanaI'll admit it clogs along occasionally - but in general its fine doing everything. Obviously its not playing Crysis or some such (plus I use Linux anyway), but it does everything for me11:01
Funnyfacemobperfectly fine for everything except gaming11:02
arachnistexcept gaming and flash-ridden websites11:02
Funnyfacemobso if you're not into that, it'll last for many years :P11:02
phish3inn I don't know my browsing habbits include a million tabs these days11:02
phish3i can't go backwards :|11:02
arachnist720p videos might also lag on a 900MHz celery11:03
phish3I do still hold a hate for flash ridden sites11:03
phish3they find a way to lag on my core2 laptop11:03
phish3*duo if that meant it was multicore...11:03
TermanaI can have heaps of tabs up (I don't use Firefox - memory hog - I use Chrome)11:03
TermanaBut as everyone is saying11:03
TermanaFlash... jesus christ.11:03
Funnyfacemobwell at least you can transcode it into something else first, then watch it afterwards11:03
phish3I'm too lazy for that11:03
TermanaYou can actually see the poor machine stabbing itself whenever I have to use flash11:04
Funnyfacemoblowering the flash quality helps a bit11:04
Funnyfacemobif you haven't done it11:04
phish3not fullscreeing also helps11:04
genewitchbut why11:05
arachnisti wonder how badly would flash run on my router (1.2GHz arm + 512MB of ram)11:05
phish3I run a 2560x1600 display, my older athlon x2 3200 couldn't keep up with flash on fullscreen11:05
arachnistif there was a flash for arm publicly available11:05
phish3my laptop also chokes a bit, I use compositing zoom to help with that11:05
FunnyfacemobI remember my old single core, I used to visit some website with flash ads while playing a game11:05
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Termanaphish3, I output to a 1280 x 1024 screen - fullscreen flash videos are fine. As long as I don't wiggle my mouse :P11:06
FunnyfacemobI had to block those silly ads because they would use more cpu than my game11:06
Funnyfacemobmade it stutter horribly..11:06
phish3my laptop cant seem to keep 2 flash things opened at the same time11:07
Funnyfacemobbut this time I went for a quad core so inefficient flash crap doesn't scare me anymore11:07
phish3I therorize intel has a time dependant performance chip or something in it that makes it perform more like crap as time goes by11:07
Termanagenewitch, Its too complicated to explain why I'm using it as my main computer :P But I know it sounds like a crazy thing to do11:07
Funnyfacemobat least not until 4 of them are running at the same time11:07
phish3or maybe those times which it failed to suspend and ended up in my backpack took their toll11:08
genewitchphish3: I absolutely hate that.11:08
TermanaI find it sad actually - some phones even have the same amount of RAM that I do :P11:08
arachnisti wonder if/when will amd release 3.4GHz 6-core chip11:09
genewitchisn't that out already?11:09
phish3Termana: snapdragon pretty much beats my first comp11:09
genewitchor is it not 3.4ghz11:09
arachnistgenewitch: theree are 3.211:09
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genewitcharachnist: yeah but you can overclock the 2.5ish ones to 3.4+ anyhow11:09
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phish3eck I remember when i first picked up eclipse and doing c++11:10
phish3I had 256 megs of ram and had to choose which was more important at any given moment, the browser or the ide11:10
genewitchI'll wait till the price on one of those drops to under $10011:10
phish3which eventually led me to vim...11:10
povbotBug 8435: Strange readings from pressure sensitive applications using gtk.gdk.AXIS_PRESSURE11:11
chronimplease vote to ge resolved11:12
Funnyfacemoboh well going to get some sleep I think.. laters11:12
Termanacya Funnyfacemob11:13
JaffaMorning, all11:13
Stskeepsmorn jaffa11:14
chronimhow to vote for a bug all 20 allowed times?11:16
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Termanagood morning Jaffa11:20
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Ddordahey, I don't use yet Maemo, and wanted to know first if there's any calendar app for it?11:36
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Stskeepsyes, it comes with a calendar app (maemo 5) but it isn't the best of the bunch11:37
DdordaStskeeps: erm. what's wrong with it for now?11:38
Stskeepsgo look at brainstorms and bugs i guess11:38
DdordaStskeeps: yea, good idea, that's exactly what Ill do. thanks :)11:38
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psycho_oreosis there a pc connectivity software for linux with fremantle?11:56
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DocScrutinizer51that's a funny question11:59
DocScrutinizer51olease define 'connectivity'11:59
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psycho_oreosI know there's one for diablo but not for fremantle.. currently transferring files between a linux computer and the maemo is via ssh over network12:00
psycho_oreosI meant PC Suite mode12:00
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psycho_oreosyup doesn't work with arch :/ fdisk doesn't list any partitions12:02
DocScrutinizer51also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N90012:03
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: ssh, rsync, scp, sftp, ...12:03
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SpeedEvilYou can even point many file managers at the device over ssh12:04
DocScrutinizer51esp sftp12:04
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, I'm doing that right now but the speeds are appauling to say the least :)12:04
DocScrutinizer51works great with most filemanagers12:04
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psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, well I personally would prefer if I can transfer data to and from via USB rather than going over wireless which is what I'm doing right now12:05
DocScrutinizer[2010-05-15 11:03:39] <DocScrutinizer51> also network comprises usb network. And there's sfdisk on N90012:05
psycho_oreosyeah usb network I was looking at that, so that would work if I have the device plugged into the computer and setup udev rules to handle usb networking?12:06
DocScrutinizersupposed to work with N900/fremantle as well12:06
* DocScrutinizer sips on his latte macchiato and wonders idly whether to check what that wikipage is telling12:07
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: o/12:08
psycho_oreosI've stumbled across that page before, I guess that should work in theory with fremantle :) I'll give it a shot, ta12:08
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psycho_oreosthough usb networking would still be pushing speeds lower than say from pc to maemo12:10
psycho_oreosbut I'll have a look at sfdisk as DocScrutinizer mentioned as well12:11
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psycho_oreosI was assuming that normally if under say disk mode, it would display device (as it did) and the partitions?12:12
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DocScrutinizerit only exports the VFAT on eMMC, and any VFAT on uSD12:13
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DocScrutinizerwhere $VFAT_on_eMMC=~user/MyDocs12:13
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psycho_oreosit didn't in my case.. provided that I didn't insert a SD card into maemo12:14
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DocScrutinizerand you're out of luck afaik when your uSD has more than one partition you want access, or a non VFAT type fs12:15
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psycho_oreoswhich is a little ironic when maemo can support a few filesystems.. at least on the fremantle.. I've seen there's ext3 support in the very least12:16
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DocScrutinizer //etc/event.d/bme --> DISC='/dev/mmcblk0p1'  CARD='/dev/mmcblk1'  LUN0='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun0/file'  LUN1='/sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/gadget/gadget-lun1/file'  echo $DISC > $LUN0 || true   echo $CARD > $LUN1 || true12:19
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: edit to your needs12:21
SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: It's basically designed with only one aim. To hve maxcimal compatibility with windows.12:21
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: take care you'll bootloop if any typos/bugs in that file12:21
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, ta, I'll have a look at that soon12:22
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psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, invariably name of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;)12:22
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: SpeedEvil, invariably lame of nokia :) lets all support windows and windows only ;)12:22
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RST38hehlo raster12:31
rasterRST38h: hoi hoi12:31
rasterjust a sec12:31
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wazdhello maemo :)13:08
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chronimtesting repo not refreshing13:41
Hukkagpsd/gpsfake running on host, how could I get scratchbox to use that as gps data?13:43
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Hukkat.m.o says that it should work, but doesn't say how. At least the env doesn't pick it up by default13:44
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DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro13:47
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 15h 23m 17s ago, saying: 'rootfs'.13:47
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ZuccaSubtites don't work on my mediaplayer. Movie finename is the same as subtitle filename with the expection of the filename extension. Both are in same directory. Any help?14:09
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SpeedEvilI'm unsure the media player supports it14:11
SpeedEvilSearch for bugs on this - and add one - or a brainstorm14:12
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DocScrutinizermediaplayer has no support for subtitles afaik14:20
DocScrutinizermplayer should14:20
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DocScrutinizerditch mediaplayer14:21
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pupnik  quite a few candidates for ports there14:24
ZuccaDocScrutinizer: I'm already installing Kmplayer and mplayer. :)14:25
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ZuccaIt if possible to set mplayer as mediaplyer backend?14:27
_llll_what does that even mean?14:27
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Zucca_llll_: So that mediaplyer would play videos using mplayer.14:28
ZuccaBecause mplayer handles subtitles, I'd like to use it.14:28
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ZuccaI've been using mplayer for ages on my PC. :)14:30
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ZuccaWell. Kmplayer+mplayer works just fine. Even with TV-out using 4:3 TV. Perfect thing.14:36
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valdynZucca: theres subtitles support for the default media player, probably extras-devel14:53
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Macerdamn i love my n90014:56
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Macerremember toshiba librettos? :)14:58
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Zuccavaldyn: I'll wait until it's in extras. :) Although I'm used to use mplayer as I have used it as my only movie player for ages. :)15:01
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valdynZucca: probagly to slow15:02
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valdynZucca: at least for h.264 at max resolution it should be defenitely to slow15:03
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merlin1991hey guys, I did drop my n900 (from around 110cm height) when it was turned off, and now when I turn it on I got no contacts, sms, files, ... opt isn't there, I have no swap and so on15:05
merlin1991any ideas what I could try before sending it in for repair?15:05
stranger_any estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype?15:06
merlin1991how is reflashing goign to help when there were no changes software related? :D15:06
SpeedEvilmerlin1991: sounds like the emmc went away15:06
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SpeedEvilmerlin1991: do you have an external mmc?15:07
merlin1991nope afaik15:07
SpeedEvilIf you have a clue, I would look at dmesg15:07
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merlin1991I have no clue :P15:08
smharany estimates on how much bandwidth is needed / minute talking using skype?15:08
SpeedEvilbut a reflash is not insane.15:08
SpeedEvilIt's not - IMO - likely to help - but it's not going to hurt either15:08
merlin1991it is insofar since I need the contacts that were lost :D15:08
valdynmerlin1991: reflashing does not delete contacts?15:09
SpeedEvilMy next suggestion was reflash the mmc - which would delete contacts not stored on the SIM15:09
merlin1991valdyn I dunno about that :D15:09
valdynmerlin1991: plus you should have used to backup app at some point15:09
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merlin1991when I check the free space dialog in setting it says there that it has overall capacity of 455,8 mb15:10
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SpeedEvilmerlin1991: odd.15:11
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merlin1991what name does the mmc have in /dev?15:12
SpeedEvilmmcblk0 IIRC15:12
merlin1991hm ls /dev | grep mmc gives me nothing :/15:12
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SpeedEvil /dev/mmcblk0p1          0+ 122069  122070-   3906232    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)15:13
SpeedEvilis my mmc15:13
SpeedEvilwhat does sfdisk -l show?15:13
SpeedEvilhave you been flashing anything kernel-related?15:13
merlin1991I only installed xchat ages ago :D15:14
merlin1991sfdisk -l has no output15:14
SpeedEvildoes sfdisk -l show anything?15:14
SpeedEvilok - that's odd15:14
SpeedEvilas root?15:14
SpeedEvildoes cat /proc/partitions show anything?15:15
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merlin1991major minor # blocks name15:16
merlin1991only this header :/15:16
SpeedEvilThat is odd.15:17
SpeedEvilIf it was mine, I'd plug in a mmc - and see if there was any change first15:17
SpeedEvilsd even15:17
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SpeedEvilI don't think anyone makes micrommc15:17
merlin1991could it be a hardware problem with the mmc?15:19
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SpeedEvilIt could also be something wacky like somehow your rootfs has become corrupt coincidentally, and is not properly loading the module/... to support the mmc15:20
SpeedEvil /proc/partitions is pretty low-level15:20
merlin1991hm I'm just going through the dmesg stuff and found this: mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock15:20
SpeedEvilplugging in a SD card will give you an idea on that15:20
merlin1991and the next line15:21
merlin1991mmc0: cover is open, card is now inacessible15:21
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merlin1991where is that mmc loacated in the device?15:22
SpeedEvilit's soldered on15:22
SpeedEvilthat is a simple explanation15:22
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merlin1991and what do I do now? :P15:23
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merlin1991hm seems like it's talking about the possible extension card15:26
SpeedEvilThe cover is open should affect the external card15:26
SpeedEvilbut not the internal one15:27
SpeedEvilIs the cover open?15:27
pigeonshould one use mame or sdlmame on the n900?15:27
SpeedEvilTry putting it back on - see if there is any diffference15:27
merlin1991I did, no difference15:27
hcmmerlin1991: did you reboot after closing it?15:28
hcmand check dmesg for the same messages…15:28
SpeedEvilThe cover sense is IIRC done with a magnet15:28
SpeedEvilwhich has been reported to fall off in some cases15:28
SpeedEvilbut that still shouldn't affect the internal mmc15:28
hcmalso the mmc cover? or only the camera cover?15:29
SpeedEvilthe camera shutter is sensed by an IR sensor15:29
SpeedEvilsee the white/black area on the back15:29
SpeedEvilof the slider15:29
merlin1991hcm I did check dmesg and it said cover is closed, card is now acessible15:30
merlin1991I'm trying it with an sd now15:30
merlin1991I did put an sd in and now I have stuff in /proc/partitions15:31
merlin1991I fear the internal one is dead15:31
SpeedEvilI'd say that's likely15:31
SpeedEvilyou currently have no customisation showing up at all/15:32
hcmhmm looks like… is the clock error still in dmesg?15:32
SpeedEvilI'm unsure exactly what it will do with a broken mmc - I think it may recreate an empty one15:32
SpeedEvilthe clock error is normal15:32
SpeedEvilan emtpy one in /15:32
SpeedEvilan empty home15:32
hcmoh ^^ ok… SpeedEvil do you know what it means?15:32
merlin1991well I guess when I add a sd into the phone I should have 2 mmc devices in /dev but I have only 1 so I guess the hardware is broken15:33
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SpeedEvilI get two [   60.366149] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock15:34
SpeedEviladjacent to each other.15:34
SpeedEvil:/ Was the phone in a case?15:34
merlin1991only the phone, closed keyboard though15:34
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merlin1991but still 110 cm shouldn't kill it freakin hell15:35
SpeedEvilI agree - ideally.15:35
SpeedEvillarge chips can be quite fragile though.15:35
SpeedEvilWhat was it onto?15:35
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merlin1991when I shake it I also get a sound of loose parts :/15:35
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SpeedEvilthe slider is slightly loose on mine15:36
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SpeedEvilloose parts, with the back and battery out?15:36
hcmmerlin1991: that doesn't sound good at all ^^15:36
hcmbtw, I don't have the debounce clock error15:37
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rcg1merlin1991: this might be the "holder" for the memory card15:38
rcg1merlin1991: though here it is only audible if you really "want" to hear it15:39
merlin1991back and battery off15:40
merlin1991and I have loose sounds15:40
korhojoaguys. i need immediate help. i'm in steep shit.15:40
korhojoamy jell-o shots have gone bad.15:40
hcmSpeedEvil: sorry, I also have the clock error after a fresh reboot. just wasn't present before15:41
merlin1991but when I start unscrewing the front cover I'll loose my warranty, right?15:41
rcg1merlin1991: and you can verify the loose sound is not coming from the pickups/cages for the sim or mmc card?15:41
merlin1991nope holding them both15:41
rcg1merlin1991: hmm that does indeed not sound well .. i for my self would _not_ start loosening screws or the like15:42
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GAN900That wiki import thread is awesome.15:42
korhojoaI put in too much liquid (double amount, package size is half of the recipe) do you guys think that it's possible to fix them by heating up the mix and adding more gelatin?15:42
merlin1991well I guess i'll visit a nokia shop then15:42
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SpeedEvilmerlin1991: yes - unscrewing anything is bad.15:46
SpeedEvilkorhojoa: yes.15:47
merlin1991but it's fun todo :P15:47
SpeedEvilYou can't fix it anyway15:47
SpeedEvilwell - you could15:47
SpeedEvilbut you'd need to get hard to source parts15:47
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korhojoaare you saying that it will or won't work?15:47
korhojoai mean, jell-o is hard to find here, yes, but uh.15:47
SpeedEvilkorhojoa: It will work15:47
korhojoai did manage to acquire some15:47
SpeedEvilkorhojoa: I was meaning for merlin199115:47
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korhojoanow -> STORE15:48
SpeedEvilWhos problems cannot be solved by jello.15:48
SpeedEvilThough perhaps vodka may work.15:48
pigeonhmm, strace is not in any of the maemo repo?15:49
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SpeedEvilit's in tools repo, sorry15:50
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pigeonSpeedEvil: hmm sorry, where is that?15:55
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merlin1991rofl @
lcukSpeedEvil, jellobacon isnt so appealing15:58
merlin1991I get a http 404 when I click search xD15:58
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merlin1991when I run the backup app on the n900, where do the backups end up ?16:08
merlin1991good that means I should at least have the backup from updating to 1.116:09
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MohammadAGor microSD if you chose that16:10
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merlin1991hm I wonder how I'll get it though16:16
merlin1991filemanager tells me I have no files or folders, lmao16:16
hcmeMMC IS your defective chip, isn't it?16:17
* merlin1991 is lost on what chip is wich one, anyone up to enlighten me?16:17
* jaska broke down and bought an n900 :|16:17
hcmtry looking for your backup with find via console, but chances are that it's lost…16:18
hcmafaik, MyDocs (the root of the graphical filemanager) and /opt are on the eMMC16:19
MohammadAGas well as swap16:19
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merlin1991uh oh, that means I lost it all :/16:19
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merlin1991btw my /opt is a link to /home/opt16:20
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merlin1991is that normal?16:20
merlin1991any reason why that is so?16:20
hcmmerlin1991: that's why I like scp'ing any new backups directly to my desktop computer…16:21
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MohammadAGcause root is 256MB, /home is 2GBs16:21
MohammadAG/opt is needed for apps16:21
merlin1991yeah well, you never think about backups before you actually loose data :/16:22
* MohammadAG scrolls up to see what the problem is16:23
merlin1991emmc down16:23
hcmMohammadAG: eMMC is not found anymore, after N900 dropped16:23
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hcmnot in /dev16:23
MohammadAGcould be the solders?16:23
MohammadAGwell that confirms it16:24
MohammadAGif it isn't in dev i doubt you can recover anything16:24
MohammadAGunless you try to resolder it16:24
MohammadAGwas it 1 drop?16:24
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MohammadAGcause tehkseven's device survived 9 drops iirc16:24
hcmnice benchmark :D16:25
MohammadAG2/3 of which were on concrete16:25
lcuk*Facepalm* how you you assume its solder16:25
merlin1991was sitting in the army in the bed, turned the phone off, wanted to put it into the locker dropped it about 110cm, turned it on the next day and had the problems16:25
MohammadAGlcuk, if it's not in /dev i don't see any other explanation16:25
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merlin1991I thought that too, I just hoped someone here would have some crazy idea that might fix it :P16:26
MohammadAGit shouldn't have broke tbh16:26
lcukbroken cracked bendy circuit boards16:26
MohammadAG-tbh, not the best word16:26
lcuksame as you can drown in a teacup16:26
MohammadAGlcuk, i'm a bit more optimistic xD16:27
hcmwell, anything, but most certainly hardware related…16:27
lcukso am i, if ever in a teacup and drowning, i would drink for england16:27
merlin1991yea well I'll get it to a nokia shop, dunno though how I'll do that, since I'm only home on weekends doh16:27
lcukmerlin1991, that would be your best line of action16:27
MohammadAGhmm, I wonder what error flashing the eMMC would throw16:28
lcukjake was swueeling like a wounded seal a minute ago :(16:28
lcukhe dropped toy on his toe16:28
lcuksqueeling ^16:28
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lcukwe were hunting for a piece of his track16:32
crashanddieguys, how can I download a SVN repo if I only have the web access?16:32
lcuksvn uses http to do its download?16:33
lcuksvn co http://sdfjsjsfjdsjsfjdsjsdf16:33
lcukyeah i just checked it out16:33
crashanddieta :)16:34
crashanddieI'm such a tool with rcs16:35
lcuks/with rcs//16:35
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MohammadAGyou made him leave :|16:36
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lcukits seb :p im sure he will have forgotten something else16:37
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frals20C and clear blue sky \o/16:39
lcukvolcano ash scaring hte clouds away?16:39
merlin1991I really wonder where the details dialog for memory in settings has it's 455,8 mb from (it tells me thats the total space on the device)16:40
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fralslcuk: most likely! either way im not complaining :D16:40
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, "Nokia N900"?16:44
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merlin1991how do you mean that questions MohammadAG16:45
MohammadAGNokia N900/MyDocs?16:45
lcukmerlin1991, type "df" and pastebin the result16:45
merlin1991that's gonna by funny16:45
merlin1991I can't get the browser running because of no swap :D16:46
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merlin1991hm how do I copy out of xterm?16:48
lcukclick the cursor thing, select a range16:49
merlin1991and then?16:49
lcukthen in the menu is a copy item16:49
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merlin1991hm browser not able to run and no pc to scp too, damn16:51
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lcuktake a photo from outside16:51
merlin1991nah typing is fu16:51
lcukeven better when you can do it :p16:52
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dhq1how do i get offline files for maep17:05
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SpeedEvilyou can get it to download stuff I think - wander roundthe UI17:06
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SpeedEvilI don't have it installed ATM17:06
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dhq1SpeedEvil: what do you use17:06
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SpeedEvilGenerally osm2go17:07
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dhq1is it good17:07
SpeedEvilwhich isn't really meant as a map display tool as such17:07
dhq1what does it do17:07
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markinfoIf there is no memory card in nokia n810 it is not able to connect over USB Cabel from desktop PC to the n810 and read data?17:08
SpeedEvilopenstreetmap editore17:08
markinfothere should be internal memory too17:08
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: o/17:09
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markinfohm - welll it is.17:10
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dhqSpeedEvil: my connection rest ......... ok i have a gprs connection it only allows port 80 how do i get my other apps to use this17:11
markinfoI have here two nokia n810 - but one of them is not able to connect over USB. Internal memory is not shown.17:11
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SpeedEvilno clue17:12
dhqSpeedEvil: is there any software to push all connections to a proxy17:13
SpeedEvilmarkinfo: On the n900 (I know) internal memory is not shown. For various reasons - wrong FS format - it would have to be readonly while exposed, ... - exposing internal memory isn't trivial17:13
SpeedEvildhq: sorry - not sure17:13
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markinfonokia 810 shows after connection over USB cabel "unable to connect via USB. Memory card in use: Internal memory card"17:14
markinfoi have last firmware OS200817:14
markinfothe seconds n810  connect without problems.17:15
markinfois it necessary to install something?17:15
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markinfowhat about "usbcontrol" ?17:16
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markinfoit is strange - sometimes - very seldom it connects.17:29
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horrorschowhello, somone from germany?17:32
horrorschowi need help, for my bricked n90017:32
SpeedEvilhow bricked?17:32
infobotmethinks flashing is
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horrorschowmhh how should i tell you..17:33
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horrorschowi try it but my english is not the best17:33
SpeedEvilWhat does it do?17:34
horrorschowit shows the three starting led's an than reboots17:34
SpeedEvilthat's not bricked then17:34
SpeedEvilsee the above instructions - reflash and it'll be OK17:34
SpeedEvil(probably - assuming no hardware fault)17:34
horrorschowwhen i flash the device i got an error17:34
horrorschowinvalid fiasco sub image <00>17:35
horrorschowwhat does it mean?17:35
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horrorschowi'm on win717:35
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horrorschowsomeone here who can help me, i don't know what to do, because of that error message "Invalid FIASCO subimage id <00>"17:37
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SpeedEvilWhere are you downloading the image from?17:39
markinfocan be external memory card on n810 on the fly removed?17:39
markinfoor inserted?17:39
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horrorschowi downloaded it from the link of the sit (where you have to tell your emai)17:41
horrorschowmemory is inserted17:42
horrorschowbut whens its out the same message came17:42
Arkenoiwhich audio player to choose?17:43
horrorschowthere is no flashing process, before it will flash there comes the message "INVALID FIASCO SUBIMAGE...."17:43
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horrorschowhello someone an idea17:45
arachnisthorrorschow: redownload the image17:45
arachnisthorrorschow: and try doing it under a proper operating system, not windows17:46
horrorschowso i should try it with knoppix (linux)17:46
arachnistmight be a good idea17:46
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horrorschowok, and i just need only the image not the emmc file17:47
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arachnistyou want only the image, unless you want to get rid of all of your settings17:48
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horrorschow@arachnist: thanks17:49
horrorschowi wil try it again an hope it will work17:49
horrorschowso you think der was a brick in the image or downloadprocess...17:50
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arachnisti'd suspect that the windows is faulty here17:50
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markinfois it possible to connect to nokia n810 external USB mouse - keyboard?   there is some program "usbcontrol"18:05
MohammadAG_yes, USB OTG18:06
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satmdanimooo: is spamming in private18:07
satmdon join18:07
markinfoMohammadAG_, do i need special cabel adapter?18:07
MohammadAG_markinfo, <-- full tut18:08
markinfoor there is necessary to use special USB peripheras?18:08
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MohammadAG_satmd, you might be better off joining #freenode and asking there, channel ops can only ban him but he can still PM18:08
satmdMohammadAG_: did :)18:09
markinfoWell, F-F USB ADAPTER    works it also with normal USB Mouse?18:10
MohammadAG_I guess so18:10
woodong50__hey here is n800 taking?18:10
MohammadAG_I never had an N810, but yes it should work18:10
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woodong50__sorry but i am drink some beer18:12
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markinfosome small external USB keyboard  would be nice with n810.   Even Printer would be possible?18:13
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MohammadAG_if CUPS was ported yes18:13
satmdnote to anyone in here: whoever clicked the links of animooo18:13
satmdthey contain malware18:14
DocScrutinizer51friggin chanserv doesn't accept akick from me18:14
F66Fhi i could need an smal hint how to start my qt programms on the N900 with the default theme ... every time I start it no it looks like on the desktop18:14
MohammadAG_/ns group?18:14
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: PING18:14
MohammadAG_unless your nicks are already grouped18:14
DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: please chanserv akick animoo18:15
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG_: is grouped18:15
MohammadAG_he left18:15
MohammadAG_* animooo ( has left #maemo18:15
DocScrutinizer51no reason NOT to set a akick18:16
DocScrutinizer51friggin bloody spammer asshole18:16
t-tannice: wine on N900
MohammadAG_autokick? why not just /ban him?18:16
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DocScrutinizer51satmd: any info about type of malware18:18
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DocScrutinizeranybody got a whois of animoo?18:20
satmdno more needed18:21
satmdI handed it to freenode staff18:21
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MohammadAG_satmd, he's still connected :)18:21
MohammadAG_I did a /query, when he's killed it should say animooo has quit18:22
Jaffat-tan: Would be a bit nicer if the damned thing was in focus18:22
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DocScrutinizersatmd: thanks18:23
F66Fi have an silly question .. . I installed my own qt applicaton but everytime I start it from the Console it looks so different ...18:23
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t-tanJaffa: would even better if he could give us the binaries to replicate it...18:23
DocScrutinizerthis friggin moron made me jump up a nd leave my coffee :-((18:23
Jaffat-tan: Well, indeed18:23
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F66Fhow 2 make it looking as normal18:24
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* DocScrutinizer waves18:24
trumeeanybody saw this , awesome18:24
FIQHow many colors does N900 have?18:25
DocScrutinizersatmd: any details about which type of malware he's spreading on that site?18:25
FIQ^24 or ^16?18:25
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trumeefinally, the nokia headset-controls will work18:25 appbinary18:26
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DocScrutinizertrumee: HUH?18:27
F66FMohammadAG_: i dont used usb networking the application is hard installed18:27
F66Fvia dhkp18:27
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markinfoThere is no acces on internal data (nokia_N810) in n810 over USB cabel?  Only on Internal memory?18:27
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: remote control buttons on the headset18:28
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MohammadAG_F66F, no idea then18:28
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DocScrutinizertrumee: aaah yes. the ne silly holdbutton. Was easy18:29
F66FMohammadAG_: i installed it via dhkp18:29
F66Fthe ap isnt in the app menu18:29
pupnikanyone else getting probs with SDL_WM_GrabInput18:29
DocScrutinizerthought you're talking about controlS (plural)18:29
F66Fi can start it from the console18:29
F66Fbut it looks so fucking ...18:29
DocScrutinizeranyway, my coffee getting cold. bbl18:30
MohammadAG_F66F, did you make a .desktop file?18:30
F66Fwhere 2 place it?18:30
MohammadAG_how do you expect it to show up in the menu?18:30
MohammadAG_if there's no desktop file18:31
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F66Fi tought might the install would do that18:31
F66Fbut im really new @ such things18:31
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Maceri have like 2 weeks left on my giganews acct18:33
Maceri should get all the wii games i can18:33
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SpeedEvilJust as backups for your existing media of course.18:37
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Macerof course18:38
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pupnik  SDL and grabbing the volume buttons18:42
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Maceropenarena is pretty good18:45
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F66FMohammadAG_: building an Desktop files worked 4 me ...18:47
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GAN900Sad how totally MeeGo has killed as an effective collaboration space.18:49
Macerhas it?18:50
GAN900Pretty much18:50
Maceri thought meego was just an idea18:50
Macerlike rome in gladiator18:50
GAN900Everybody's either in a holding pattern or pissed off.18:50
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Macerdont know where it is going huh?18:51
Macerwhy dev for maemo when meego might replace it18:51
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GAN900Or work on the website or anything community related.18:52
Macerblame nokia18:52
Macerblame Stskeeps18:53
Stskeepswhat, i've had my beating thread18:53
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Stskeepsand i would like to say that i pissed off the n8x0 users so much they started actually dominating the 'new posts' section of tmo18:53
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Macersee? just blame Stskeeps18:54
Maceri cant find my n81018:54
Maceri lost it haha18:54
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Maceri think i might get a 2nd n900 when they come down tho if people can figure out this meego/maemo bullshit18:55
pupnikIf the screen gets a pressure fix, one could buy them just for art18:56
Macermaybe this running around with their heads chopped off thing will get the n900 to come down to $10018:56
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BugBlueI'm about to put android on my N810.. just because it might make it more usefull18:56
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MacerBugBlue: haha18:56
Maceri lost mine18:56
Maceri have been looking for it but have no idea where it has gone18:56
Maceri might have lost it in my move 4 months ago18:57
Macerit was just collecting dust anyways18:57
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Macerworthless nowadays i suppose although i did want to do the carmman thing18:57
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simoneb_would it be possible to install finch on maemo/the n900, since finch does exist only for debian? if yes, which version of finch should i try to install (lenny, sid...)?18:58
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MacerGAN900: there is always opendeb ;)18:59
JayJay_I'm tireddd18:59
simoneb_Macer: was that addressed to me?18:59
luke-jrBugBlue: LOL19:01
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Macerluke-jr: maybe he should install wastedlifetoo19:01
Maceruhm.. gentoo19:01
JayJay_Good Morning guy19:01
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Maceranyways.. laundry :)19:02
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simoneb_uhm, ok, i think i *may* install finch for lenny on the n900, but it depends on libc6 version 2.7, and maemo currently has 2.5 (among a few other missing dependencies) ... any chance i could update that?19:09
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lbthmm, where is HILDONDESKTOP_LIBS defined for autotools19:15
SpeedEvilsimeoni: you're aware of the easy debian chroot?19:16
luke-jrsimoneb_: uh, just recompile it for libc 2.5?19:16
jaskawhat sort of mutant ears one has to have to use the default headphones?19:17
pupnikyou could use  simoneb_19:18
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simoneb_jaska: i suggest you softly pull your ear up when you put in the headphone19:19
simoneb_pupnik: no armel build though :(19:20
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F66Fhow to include my icon and the Desktop file in my N900 Qt projekt?19:23
F66Fis there an beginner tutorial ...19:23
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MohammadAG_icons go in /usr/share/pixmaps, icon for the desktop file is specified as Icon=filename in the .desktop file, package them as a deb and put them in -devel19:24
MohammadAG_all of that is in the wiki19:24
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F66FMohammadAG_: do you habe a link? plz19:25
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infobotAsk me about ipkg19:26
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F66FMohammadAG_: thx19:27
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pupnikmany lurkers19:55
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* SpeedEvil lurks.19:58
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hawai`iNO LURKERS20:06
aquatixwe can't have that20:07
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ShadowJKthere's something funny with N900's mpeg4 encoder... the videos have slight artifacting when viewed on anything else besides N900's builtind media player20:15
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DocScrutinizer51we got spamday?20:21
jaskaoh, some bot caught the spammer20:22
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GAN900I need a TV!20:24
luke-jrget it somewhere else plz20:25
luke-jrnot to mention, the link is dead20:25
MohammadAG_did the bot take that down too?20:25
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Macer95.211.132.69    Amsterdam, NL  /get_orders_list.php20:25
Macerl33t hacker20:26
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Macerwonder how well trying to fetch /get_orders_list.php has worked out20:27
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* Macer is reminded of wargames with the modem line fetching app20:28
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GAN900Jaffa, first of all, GMT isn't a thing. :P20:41
GAN900Second, +1?20:41
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otuboHello all, I am trying to package a python module, and in the packaging process it calls the compiler but the sbox can't find it:21:17
otubosb_gcc_wrapper (gcc): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory21:17
otuboBut the file exists in that specific path, does anyone have a clue?21:17
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PhonicUKhey all21:17
MohammadAG_\o PhonicUK21:18
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otuboFirst of all, I don't understand why it needs to call the compiler if it is a python  module.21:23
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satmdotubo: you also get that message if the system cannot execute the file because of missing libs or architectural problems21:26
satmdlike arm on x86 and vice versa21:26
otubosatmd, this is the full log, I am inside the sbox environment and I just get this message in this situation.21:28
otubosatmd, but if I call the the compiler using its full path it works fine21:28
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satmdmhm, I have not used scratchbox enough to help more than what I know about general cross-compiling21:31
otubolike this
otubosatmd, all right, no problem and thanks for you help on a saturday afternoom :)21:32
satmd20:32 here :p21:32
otuboyeah, a little worse than :P21:33
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JaffaGAN900: GMT *is* a thing21:47
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ShadowJKBut UK is GMT+1 right now, aka BST, right? :P21:47
JaffaGAN900: Anyway, +1 is Google being shit; not me. The vCard is right; as were the times, in UTC, on doodle.com21:47
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JaffaShadowJK: Yeah; exactly.21:47
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Stskeepsn900 is a wonderful tool when standing in long queues21:48
MohammadAG_till the battery runs out21:50
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Surfathat long lines dont exist21:51
PhonicUKN900 + irreco remote + electronics store + wall of TVs = FUN!21:51
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ShadowJKPhonicUK, that's evil genius material21:52
ruskieMohammadAG_, lol... hasn't happened to me yet... I charge it every evening but generally don't have any need to do so during the day21:52
PhonicUKno no, evil genius material is:21:52
PhonicUKStart "Mobile Hotspot", Rename hotspot to "Free WiFi Internet", Turn it on, Launch "Wireshark" packet sniffer21:52
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PhonicUKsit in Starbucks, wait for fun21:53
MohammadAG_ruskie, I used up 4 batteries yesterday21:54
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ruskieMohammadAG_, wth were you doing?21:54
MohammadAG_tbh idk :P21:54
PhonicUKhe was torrenting porn!21:54
ruskieI need to make quite an effort to spend a battery to empty in a day21:55
ruskieand I tend to listen to music 8h per day@work21:55
MohammadAG_nah, warez ftw for illegal stuff *cough*21:55
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MohammadAG_damn ME, couldn't find a BH-214 here21:55
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MohammadAG_Cannot find required GStreamer-0.10 plugin 'gconfaudiosink'. grrr21:57
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pupnikthe libqt situation is starting to be more aggravating22:03
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lcukJaffa, make sure before the meeting theres enough pings around i want to come along22:06
lbtlcuk: from OBS:   libliqbase   scheduled    succeeded22:06
lcukand suddenly there was an lbt22:06
lcukyou built it more than me lol22:06
* lbt is uploading Extras to OBS ...22:06
lcukdeb OBS?22:07
lcukor converting on the go22:07
lcuki thought some magic was there22:07
lbtsame OBS will do Harmattan22:07
lbtand maybe... (ideally) MeeGo22:07
lbtsame tarball22:07
lcukmultiple arch, multiple package, multiple OS22:07
lcukis there an uber quick native arm system around22:08
lcukie can i get a beagleboard on steroids22:08
lbtno, but you can run OBS workers on ARM 'blades'22:08
lcukcan i get one of these blades22:09
lcukor a sheath of them22:09
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lcukbah adds complexity22:09
lcuki wonder tho22:09
lbtnah, adds availability and accessibility22:09
lbtit's a tad 'selfish' to do it in a way that only works for you :)22:10
lcukit just fries my mind - especially when i cant run on the system i build it on22:10
lcukemulation cant yuv properly22:10
lcuknever has been able to22:11
Jaffalcuk: will try to - but I'm slammed at work at the moment22:11
lcuklbt build/run cycles22:11
JaffaRight; should try and find something to snack on in this London hotel.22:11
lcuki could do it native x8622:11
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lbtJaffa: I'm uploading Extras to OBS ...22:12
lbtjust to (hopefully) cheer you up22:12
Jaffalbt: saw; cool :-)22:12
* Jaffa will try and catch you later.22:12
JaffaOr, I might take advantage of the hotel's free BluRay rental and watch Inglourious Basterds.22:12
fralsthat flick is awesome :D22:13
lcukJaffa, isnt your house near london :P22:17
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lcukwas doctor who worth watching?22:25
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yabbaIs here anyone using gentoo?22:27
johnsqyabba: yes22:27
yabbaDo it support mobile broadband in the out of box install? Like ubuntu has done since 8.10 (if I remember correct)22:28
johnsqyabba: sorry only on n81022:29
yabbaAaaah, :P darm, I just go pissed of with this new ubuntu and thinking to change distro. I just need to know that22:29
yabbaso to => #gentoo22:30
luke-jr"mobile broadband" is not a technical/meaningful term22:30
tuxerno it doesn't22:30
luke-jrGentoo doesn't have a box install22:30
yabbaok, so I need wired connection to get mobile working?22:31
_llll_what do you mean? you seem to be making someunspoken assumptions22:32
tuxerI would recommend that, although maybe install cd can use mobile... you could try22:32
PhonicUKhas anyone else ever taken their N900, opened up the stand, and stuck 2 fingers through so its like a massive ring?22:32
luke-jrCD? in a tablet?22:33
yabbaOh, I mean can I use my N900 as a modem in gentoo right after install, because I don't have wired internet at home so I can't install packages from internet.22:33
luke-jrPhonicUK: I've worn it on my full hand..22:33
luke-jryabba: obviously that depends on what you install22:33
PhonicUKeeh, how does that work?22:33
luke-jrPhonicUK: just slide my hand through it22:34
luke-jrN900 might be too small, dunno22:34
PhonicUKthat makes no sense22:34
yabbaI thinking that gentoo 10.1 liveDVD is only option for me22:34
luke-jryabba: how do you plan to put a DVD in your N900?22:34
yabbaluke-jr, Ach, to my laptop, replacing ubuntu22:35
fraggelnluke-jr: nfs-mount? D:22:35
luke-jryabba: well, you can't install Gentoo at all without a network connection I think22:35
luke-jrI imagine the LiveDVD would have PPP22:35
yabbaAnd if we could have usb-host mode, it could be done with external dvd/cd22:36
jacekowskiyou can install gentoo without network22:36
luke-jryabba: you can't.22:36
jacekowskiyou will just have to get portage copy from somewhere + source packages22:36
yabbaluke-jr, whynot?22:36
luke-jryabba: it's not wired properly for host mode22:36
luke-jrjacekowski: same difference22:37
jacekowskibesides, you can use n900 in that network mode22:37
jacekowskiand use it as http proxy22:37
yabbajacekowski, ok, so I think it is some other distro then :P22:37
luke-jryabba: as I said, a LiveDVD *should* have PPP22:38
jacekowskigentoo is pita22:38
luke-jrif necessary, you can install Gentoo from Ubuntu ;p22:38
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yabbaluke-jr, If I can choose, I could get win7, but for this laptop it is waste of money (this laptop is time to time more the useless brick than Apple 3 was)22:40
luke-jryabba: it is always a waste of money22:40
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yabbaluke-jr, no I don't think so22:42
luke-jryour problem :)22:43
yabbavista was waste of money (and the reason why I started to use linux), but because I love to play games (and hate to fight and wait whit wine) windows is also a choice22:43
_llll_the guy's considering gentoo, "waste" is presumably not a wor dhe has a good understanding of22:44
johnsqlucky that there will be less games for it22:44
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GAN900Jaffa, yeah, I'm pretty sure I forgot about DST. :/22:45
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luke-jryabba: as if games are exclusive to Windows22:46
luke-jrGAN900: was DST today??22:47
luke-jrthat would explain why my alarm clocks didn't wake me up until 922:47
yabbaluke-jr, sadly thats true, but I put all my hopes in steam.22:49
luke-jrnot sure it's a good idea to boil water under your tablet22:49
yabbaValve steam
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yabbaAnd no, last thing the very last thing (even die before) is, that I would take a Mac22:52
luke-jrproprietary crap? worthless22:52
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yabbaluke-jr, that's old news, but we still need to wait (same thing with voddler) and it is not helping me at the moment22:55
luke-jrso get some *good* games22:56
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rangeI bet they don't deliver to Yurp.23:19
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jaskariding pretty low there23:22
jaskanow to get rid of the quickbar in terminal :|23:23
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jaskagoogle doesnt seem to be my friend, and its not disableable in menu like in n81023:24
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jaskaaah... gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"23:31
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Tobajaska: did you figure out how to get rid of the quickbar?23:38
jaskagconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" did it for me in fullscreen mode23:38
Tobaits using so much real estate....23:38
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Toba.... oh23:38
jaskactrl-backspace still works to get out23:38
jaskaforgot it was called keybar... after that searching actually helped23:39
DocScrutinizerxterm? you're mad? ctrl-cr23:41
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Tobasweet, thanks23:43
jaskamad? how?23:43
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jaskahadnt realized the usb connector was same size as n810, dont need to keep both cables attached :D23:44
pupnikthanks for orp packaging MohammadAG_23:48
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DocScrutinizerjaska: they're not. N810 has an AB-receptacle, N900 a B-type. The B-plug of the cable will match both though23:53
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jaskaah, its the only microusb(?) cable ive ever seen so :)23:54
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