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| lcuk | damn we need HealthCheck to run a batch of tests and let people compare them online | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 00:01 |
| dhq | what is an sdhc card | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | <lcuk> n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | he's on a trip | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | high capacity SD card. | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a tiny data stroage card | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | Cabletwitch, did you reboot? | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | oooh MohammadAG did he say where | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | camping :) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | hope hes not got north sea fishing for cod | 00:04 |
| dhq | SpeedEvil: so its capable on n900 | 00:04 |
| Cabletwitch | MohammadAG: Many times. | 00:04 |
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| Cabletwitch | I'll be back in 20mins, walking trackside to work :O) | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | kk | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | when you get back run top and see if trackerd is running | 00:05 |
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| Myrtti | I feel like a such a traitor, but I couldn't help it. http://flic.kr/p/7ZoSoj | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, would be cool if someone made a daemon the changes the png for the calendar app each day | 00:09 |
| ruskie | there's a widget that does something like that | 00:10 |
| ruskie | not exactly though | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | the calendar widget | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, OTG thread at 777 posts lol | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, at 778 ;-P | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | grr :P | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | 777 here :P | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | F5! | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | N900 will not allow USB OTG! (777) | 00:12 |
| opdf2 | im not sure if my xchat is 'broken' but is there supposed to be a broken image sign with xchat's bubble notifications? | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | i just went to page 77, that's persumabely a refresh equivelant | 00:12 |
| moo--- | Myrtti: there is no justice | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | moo---: I know. It's horrible I'm using money to tune up a Nexus One I got for free | 00:13 |
| ioan | hi. I have ssh installed on my N900 and sshd on my computer. sshd is listening to port 9000. I want to create a secure tunnel between the two to use it for the N900 browser. How do I start the tunnel? | 00:13 |
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| Myrtti | ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com | 00:14 |
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| Myrtti | or that's how it works normally | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: yes - that's not so helpful for http | 00:14 |
| Myrtti | hold on | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | does microb understand socks? | 00:15 |
| ioan | yes | 00:15 |
| Myrtti | ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com -p 9000 | 00:15 |
| Myrtti | but yes, not too useful | 00:15 |
| ioan | does that work with http? | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 777! | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 778! | 00:16 |
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| lcuk | stop your whinging and just post in the damned thread | 00:17 |
| gavin | [ioan-n900~] ssh -p9000 -D1080 computer | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | nah, i killed him | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:17 |
| gavin | then configure microb to use localhost 1080 as a socks proxy | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | to Nokia N900 by joerg_rw - 6 mins ago | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | 777! :P | 00:17 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti i am dissapoint. | 00:17 |
| ioan | gavin: I'm trying right now | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS, killed my Konversation | 00:18 |
| lcuk | looks awesome tho | 00:18 |
| lcuk | why cant we have those skins on n900? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | by hitting alt accidentally | 00:18 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: since I don't have moneys to buy a N900, I use what I get for free... | 00:18 |
| lcuk | they are adhesive | 00:18 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, meh what device you use isnt important - we will have maemo/meego on it one day :) | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=648665&postcount=778 | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i like the skins | 00:19 |
| lcuk | tracy has tried 2 so far | 00:19 |
| lcuk | a hard plastic one | 00:19 |
| lcuk | and she has a jelly one | 00:19 |
| lcuk | neither seem right | 00:19 |
| lcuk | stick on might work | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | that.. isn't showing up here .... even after 4 refreshes | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:20 |
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| Myrtti | of course I had to get https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?SkinID=187&DeviceID=83&s=a&CategoryID=56 too | 00:22 |
| lcuk | heh Myrtti | 00:26 |
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| Cabletwitch | aaand back. | 00:27 |
| Cabletwitch | Right, what did I miss? | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | nothing interesting :P | 00:27 |
| Cabletwitch | Icuk talking about hard plastic and jelly skins. | 00:28 |
| Cabletwitch | Thats a bash quote if I ever saw one. | 00:28 |
| Cabletwitch | Right, any further thoughts about the phantom file issue? | 00:29 |
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| ioan | gavin: do I need to do anything special on the computer? I have sshd running there.. that command connects to the computer, but when I try to browse the browser says: "proxy server refused connection" | 00:30 |
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| Myrtti | I talk about pink girly geeky stuff. | 00:30 |
| Myrtti | so nothing new | 00:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Myrtti: I can't say I'd have it on my phone - but very good example of what it is. | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, the contacts app works well in portrait mode | 00:32 |
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| Myrtti | I had to have something pink, and I had to have the books. They're both quite busy designs and in hindsight I might have chosen something more downtuned, but oh well. | 00:32 |
| Myrtti | I'm happy | 00:32 |
| Cabletwitch | I'll return tomorrow, need to work now. Linux + trains = bad. | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1273267733160.jpg hot chicks! (worksafe) | 00:32 |
| Cabletwitch | Laters! | 00:32 |
| Myrtti | awww. | 00:33 |
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| rcg | i have some problem with the autobuilder .. at least i think it's autobuilder related | 00:34 |
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| cero_absoluto | effin nickserv :) | 00:35 |
| rcg | i uploaded a package which had apparently the wrong section and a bad bugtracker link | 00:35 |
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| rcg | after i fixed it and uploaded again maemo.org/packages still shows the wrong section and the bad bugtracker link | 00:35 |
| rcg | another package which had the same problem showed the correct values after fixing and reupload | 00:36 |
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| rcg | any idea what i could try to fix this? | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | check the control file in the source, if it's right, blame the importer | 00:37 |
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| rcg | MohammadAG: ok, just double checked .. the control file has the correct settings | 00:39 |
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| MohammadAG | you can blame the importer then | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | (and ping X-Fade) | 00:39 |
| cero_absoluto | Has anyone else complained of issues recently after uninstalling the "Enhanced Kernel" in the package manager? At the next reboot, it no longer boots up... I tried flasher-3.5 in linux to no avail... installed NSU on my coworkers machine today and I can't get that to work either... it briefly ever so briefly said windows saw Nokia ROM and then for an instant "Flashing Parent" or something, then an error that there was a problem, hardware my not | 00:39 |
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| rcg | MohammadAG: so should i mail the debmaster? | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | he's here | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | probably idle for the weekend though | 00:40 |
| rcg | X-Fade: ping | 00:40 |
| cero_absoluto | can't find info anywhere | 00:40 |
| rcg | MohammadAG: ic .. thanks so far | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | nw | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | cero_absoluto, use flasher | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | ~flashing | 00:41 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:41 |
| cero_absoluto | i did, followed the guide to the letter | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | i'd try to flash only the kernel | 00:41 |
| cero_absoluto | tried it | 00:41 |
| cero_absoluto | in linux with the cli flasher, nothing is ever detected | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | which buntu version? | 00:42 |
| cero_absoluto | never gets past Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | ubuntu* | 00:42 |
| cero_absoluto | debian lenny | 00:42 |
| cero_absoluto | 64 | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | ubuntu's been causing me problems in flashing | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | cero_absoluto, type the command and let it wait | 00:42 |
| cero_absoluto | i can't even get it to work with NSU under windows | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | then remove the battery, plug the usb cable and insert the battery | 00:43 |
| cero_absoluto | i've done i think pretty much all variations of hold "u" or not... whether the battery goes in first or the cable goes in first | 00:43 |
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| cero_absoluto | it also may be relevant that /home/user/ was not read only... but that /home/user/MyDocs went completely read only | 00:44 |
| cero_absoluto | right before the issue | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't really matter | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG | for flashing | 00:44 |
| cero_absoluto | i thought it might be related to that kernel i just installed, which was why i uninstalled | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | kernel worked for me when i was using it | 00:45 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan | 00:45 |
| infobot | t-tan is currently on #maemo (1h 30m 30s) #meego (1h 30m 30s), last said: 'jacekowski: I don't know where you're living but in most developed countries copyright infringement itself is criminal'. | 00:46 |
| ioan | how do I find out what port skype is using while connected? | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | wireshark or a proxy | 00:46 |
| t-tan | kernel problems? | 00:47 |
| cero_absoluto | haha, yeah... uninstalled the enhanced kernel yesterday or the day before... went to reboot and no worky worky... never made it past the dark nokia screen | 00:47 |
| cero_absoluto | flashers don't seem to work, the linux flasher-3.5 under debian lenny amd64 or NSU under xp on a different machine | 00:48 |
| t-tan | how did you uninstall it? without reading the deinstallation instructions? | 00:48 |
| cero_absoluto | pretty much | 00:49 |
| cero_absoluto | i uninstalled it in the application manager | 00:49 |
| cero_absoluto | the same way i installed it | 00:49 |
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| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, you should've installed kernel-flasher | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | reinstalled* | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | flashing the kernel should work... | 00:50 |
| cero_absoluto | should have, but there was no message of such upon install or uninstall, so i claim at least 50% not at fault | 00:50 |
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| cero_absoluto | :) | 00:50 |
| Myrtti | oh god, I can't type anymore | 00:50 |
| t-tan | I wish users would RTFM. the next version will include a big fat warning. the real problem is a flaw in Nokia's preinit... | 00:50 |
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| t-tan | but actually just deinstalling kernel-power-flasher should leave the kernel intact... | 00:51 |
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| cero_absoluto | of course its always a user issue... users should know to visit some obscure url to receive instructions that they cannot uninstall a package they installed with the app manager, using the app manager without bricking | 00:52 |
| cero_absoluto | :-P | 00:53 |
| cero_absoluto | i'm a developer too, but cmon | 00:53 |
| cero_absoluto | what i glean from this convo is that this issue has caused devices to brick, but it has not caused flashing issues | 00:53 |
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| t-tan | power users should know how to read the pkg description :) | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | t-tan, add a postinst script and make it apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher | 00:54 |
| cero_absoluto | so i guess i'll go over every flashing scenario again until something works or until i give up | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | postrm* | 00:54 |
| t-tan | MohammadAG: doesn't work. you can't call apt-get form within a postinst script | 00:54 |
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| t-tan | or any other package script | 00:54 |
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| t-tan | the next version will include an icon to deinstall the kernel and to restore the original | 00:55 |
| t-tan | I can't reproduce the problems some users have with deinstalling the flasher package via HAM | 00:56 |
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| cero_absoluto | well, i guess at this point i'm pretty well fucked... not connected to the pc, pop battery in, push power button, no white light... | 01:06 |
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| cero_absoluto | run flasher with battery in... then connect usb cord... steady yellow light into the dark nokia screen, and then nothing | 01:06 |
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| cero_absoluto | run flasher with battery out, connect usb, connect battery... no response | 01:07 |
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| cero_absoluto | so i guess maybe my battery is dead now | 01:07 |
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| ptl | Use an external recharger | 01:08 |
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| cero_absoluto | oh, my bad... after the dark nokia screen goes away, it either comes back briefly once or twice... or it goes dark and back to the steady yellow light for maybe 30 seconds before the dark nokia screen again | 01:09 |
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| cero_absoluto | does not cooperate | 01:10 |
| cero_absoluto | foooey, fudge, fuck it... | 01:11 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:27 |
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| Myrtti | perkele | 01:27 |
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| mord | Myrtti: no mitäs | 01:27 |
| pupnik | hi Myrtti ! | 01:32 |
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| pupnik | myrtti: this is cybette using pupnik's n900 | 01:34 |
| Myrtti | pupnik: :-P | 01:35 |
| Myrtti | now that explains couple of things ;) | 01:35 |
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| jacekowski | besides, i bought new headphones | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | nokia headphones | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | ( which costs half of iphone headphones, but are much better ) | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | and i was really suprised by service in o2 shop where i bought it | 01:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: are they special? | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: or, I mean, why did you buy *nokia* ones? | 01:38 |
| pupnik | myrtti: explain what? 0:-) | 01:38 |
| chem|st | frals: ping | 01:38 |
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| jacekowski | well, any 4 pin headphones that are not nokia ( manufactured by nokia ) are ussualy iphone compatible | 01:38 |
| Myrtti | pupnik: traveling around Finland | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | which makes them nokia incompatible | 01:38 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: 4 pin? | 01:39 |
| pupnik | we had awesome sauna at ukki's | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: I'm sorry I know nothing about "special head phones for phones" | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: 4th pin for buttons and micrphone and that kind of stuff | 01:39 |
| Shapeshifter | jacekowski: ah I see. | 01:41 |
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| Shapeshifter | so it's a headset, sorta. with a mic. I was confused by the term "headphones" which I considered being just the speakers | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: but iphone headphones have it done differently ( apple made their version later ) and it's detected as tvout cable apparently | 01:42 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | but you can use nokia 4 pin headset with any 3 pin socket | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | and any 3 pin headphones with any phone | 01:43 |
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| jacekowski | but mixing 4 pin headsets is not going to happen | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | 4? pin? | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | it's like with 3 pins | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | but with 4 pins | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | so there's a physical difference | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | not really | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | not in size | 01:44 |
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| jacekowski | i think it's called trrs correctly | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | it's size and shape is almost same as normal 3.5mm jack | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | most of you have n900 | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | just take a look at headset that came with it | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | i am, but I don't have any other headsets :P | 01:46 |
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| jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS_connector.JPG | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | that's 3 pin | 01:47 |
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| Funnyface | has anyone seen an N900 charger with an angled USB plug for sale anywhere? | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | any usb charger would do | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | you can probably use iphone charger with any usb cable | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | just let me check | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 01:49 |
| Funnyface | yeah but I want one with an angled USB port | 01:49 |
| Funnyface | that's the deal with ti | 01:49 |
| Funnyface | it* | 01:49 |
| Funnyface | USB jack* | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 doesn't charge from dumb sources | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 01:50 |
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| jacekowski | it will charge from iphone charger | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure if it detects it as proper charger | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | or something else | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it will | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but will pull limited amount of current | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | not unless you solder D+ and D- | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | think we're not talking about the same limitation | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: there are 3 limits | 01:52 |
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| Funnyface | so you mean, it will only pull 100mA? | 01:52 |
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| jacekowski | one that's very small amount of current before phone knows where is it connecte | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | d | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | 2nd is when it detects that it's usb port and draws whatever usb host tells it to do | 01:52 |
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| jacekowski | and 3rd is when it detects charger and then it pulls whatever charger can give | 01:53 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38230 | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | so worst case scenario for dumb charger is couple mA | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure whatever exactly it is | 01:54 |
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| Funnyface | http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-almcb-xxgbig.jpg looks like this is what I'd be looking for then :p | 01:54 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, suppose you buy some wall charger from ebay which is a chinese knock off | 01:54 |
| Myrtti | ;____; hotel internets :-< | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | it won't charge from it | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it will | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | same goes for the ZaggSparq | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but it will only draw that 100ma | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | mA | 01:55 |
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| MohammadAG | but it won't say charging... | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to try | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | but that's tomorrow | 01:56 |
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| MohammadAG | heh why? | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | because i have most of my equipment at work | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | because then i can use my own equipment and work equipent | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | equipment* | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | ( i own £2k scope but i don't have power supply ) | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | i mean why do you want to try it... | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | just because i can | 01:58 |
| Funnyface | so you think the original N900 charger has a controller saying "hello I am a charger, pull whatever you want" in it? | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | Funnyface: no | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | <jacekowski> i'm not sure whatever exactly it is)) 10mA | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100mA even | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | he said that m8 :) | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | Funnyface: just simple connection on D+ D- pins | 01:58 |
| Funnyface | D being data pins? | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:59 |
| Funnyface | ah | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | and i think the way how iphone charger is working makes phone think that it has short on d+ and d- pins | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100mA always, after proper enum max 500mA, with crg_det (D+/-) whatever software thinks is safe. For N900 prolly max allowed by bq24150 = 1050mA | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | which it probably has | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: according to spec that currect is voltage controlled | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so charger is allowed to drop voltage if device is pulling too much current | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not exactly. usb cgarger spec says charger has to lower voltage in a gentle way until phone doesn't draw more than charger can jandle | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes exactly | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | which is what would happen in case of overload anyways | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nokia charger can do some 2A, and bq24150 is limited to 1050mA | 02:02 |
| Funnyface | I wonder if all the USB powered chinese junk follows those specs :p | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | most probably not | 02:03 |
| Funnyface | USB vacuum, cup warmer/cooler, etc etc.. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | to some degree they woll, it's a very natural behaviour of a PSU | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | will | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh, you're talking bout consumers, not supplies | 02:04 |
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| Funnyface | yes | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | none of them will adhere to the specsa | 02:04 |
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| Funnyface | I know, they just blindly connect to the power rails and draw whatever they want | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | speaking of chargers, are chinese dsktop ones safe? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | all try to draw more than 100mA | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | without proper enum | 02:04 |
| lcukn900 | omnomnom at failsworth tandori | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh bq24150, in boost mode, also isn't really specs compliant. It can only deliver 200mA | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | sp no mug-warmer for N900 | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | breakfast | 02:06 |
| Funnyface | anyway basically what I want is some car charger with an angled USB plug that will be compatible | 02:06 |
| * lcukn900 is getting kebab | 02:06 | |
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| Funnyface | I don't like the long plug pointing out from the side, especially when there are reports that the USB jack may come loose after a while | 02:06 |
| N900evil | MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb | 02:06 |
| lcukn900 | funnyface look on tmo there is a n900 car cradle | 02:06 |
| Funnyface | an angled one might help remove some of the force put on it | 02:07 |
| lcukn900 | with slide in connect | 02:07 |
| lcukn900 | for while device afaik | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 02:07 |
| Funnyface | tmo being T-mobile? | 02:07 |
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| lcukn900 | talk.maem.org | 02:07 |
| lcukn900 | maemo | 02:08 |
| lcukn900 | hey rodarvus you want some kebab? | 02:08 |
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| Funnyface | Nokia should have swapped the location of the USB jack and the unlock switch.. it's really awkward to unlock the phone with one hand, and it's stupid to talk in the phone with the charger plugged in at the top :p | 02:11 |
| Funnyface | but I guess that's part of the plan | 02:12 |
| MohammadAG | agreed on the usb part | 02:12 |
| Funnyface | "let people who are in hurry to pick up a call rip the USB port out of the device" | 02:12 |
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| Funnyface | "and let those trying to fiddle with it with one hand drop the device so we get repairs on them" | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG | <N900evil> MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb | 02:14 |
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| MohammadAG | i'll take that as a no for chinese stuff | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cheap usb car chargers have killed/fried several gta02 | 02:15 |
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| Funnyface | well they do such thing to keep the costs down I guess.. | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: belkin hub was quite expensive, and a good name | 02:16 |
| Funnyface | easy to stick a plain simple 5V regulator in there and hope for the best | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | One USB power supply I dissected had _no_ primary capacitor | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, tbh my experience with belkin wasn't good | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | this lead to somewhat poor hum. | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the desktop charger only charges the battery though | 02:17 |
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| Funnyface | I might rip my car USB charger up some day to see if they put any overvoltage protection in it or not | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quite funny | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (hum) | 02:19 |
| Funnyface | I see tons of HK sellers on ebay selling the same charger at ultralow prices (I bought it in a local shop), which made me think that perhaps it's a knockoff device like any others from HK :P | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn ppl look at me like I'm an idiot, just because walking down the street typing on my N900 :-P | 02:20 |
| Funnyface | http://danielwould.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/20100131_008.jpg way to make something simple a lot more complex than it has to be.. lol | 02:21 |
| Funnyface | looking at those components it doesn't look like that thing can do anything useful anyway.. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe ads some extremely useful pullup R | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, as expected: 3G handover works nicely | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | that looks like 270R from D+ to D- | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but whenever you need to roam to 2G... :-( | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | why do I remmeber that number | 02:28 |
| Funnyface | might be something to make it charge from a dummy source then | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: no idea | 02:28 |
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| Funnyface | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Nokia-Micro-USB-Car-Charger-Nokia-N97-/250583293864 this one looks like what I need, unless the USB plug turns the wrong way | 02:31 |
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| Funnyface | which it shouldn't do | 02:32 |
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| Funnyface | oh well I'll go and throw together a burger I guess.. | 02:39 |
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| luke-jr | pizza | 02:58 |
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| ZogG | pizza is good | 03:01 |
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| ZogG | kalikianatoli, anatoli what the F is this nick name? | 03:01 |
| ZogG | commrades don | 03:02 |
| ZogG | don't like it | 03:02 |
| ZogG | ☭ | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:02 |
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| ZogG | kalikianatoli, you should change it ot kaleki anatolij =) | 03:02 |
| * MohammadAG heard pizza | 03:03 | |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, gimme gimme gimme! | 03:03 |
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| ZogG | i liked the post about pr1.2 on maemo.org | 03:03 |
| kalikianatoli | ZogG, there's a cat race by the name 'anatoli' :-) | 03:03 |
| ZogG | nothing specific and a lot of words =) | 03:03 |
| ZogG | kalikianatoli, it's russian name as i know | 03:03 |
| * ZogG is russian btw | 03:03 | |
| MohammadAG | privet | 03:04 |
| ZogG | hahah | 03:04 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, not sleeping again? | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | da | 03:04 |
| ZogG | is your name mohammad for real? | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | da again | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: NO | 03:04 |
| luke-jr | MINE | 03:04 |
| ZogG | =) | 03:04 |
| * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Soldier Side ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG] | 03:04 | |
| MohammadAG | ~torture luke-jr | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | damn, it doesn't exist | 03:04 |
| ZogG | ~fart | 03:04 |
| * infobot farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" | 03:04 | |
| luke-jr | infobot: botsnack | 03:05 |
| infobot | aw, gee, luke-jr | 03:05 |
| ZogG | hahaha | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | oooh SoAD | 03:05 |
| ZogG | i just typed it - dunno why | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, botsnack | 03:05 |
| infobot | :), MohammadAG | 03:05 |
| ZogG | infobot: botsnack | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | why is it smiling | 03:05 |
| infobot | aw, gee, ZogG | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 03:05 |
| ZogG | ~kiss | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 03:05 |
| ZogG | !help | 03:05 |
| kalikianatoli | ~hug | 03:05 |
| * infobot hugs kalikianatoli | 03:05 | |
| ZogG | ~help | 03:06 |
| kalikianatoli | ^_^ | 03:06 |
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| ZogG | ZogG is http://ZogG.rules.the.world | 03:06 |
| ZogG | where can i find ZogG | 03:06 |
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| ZogG | meh | 03:07 |
| ZogG | ~karma | 03:07 |
| infobot | zogg has neutral karma | 03:07 |
| ZogG | ~unlobotomy | 03:07 |
| * GAN900 wonders when he got editbugs on MeeGo | 03:07 | |
| ZogG | gansterN900 hey | 03:07 |
| * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Atwa ["Toxicity" 2001] | 03:08 | |
| * ZogG sticks to SoAD | 03:08 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping again? | 03:08 |
| * lcuk waves at GAN900 | 03:08 | |
| * MohammadAG waves at lcuk | 03:09 | |
| lcuk | whats happening with your freebie gan | 03:09 |
| * ZogG is gonna talk to MohammadAG's mom about his son misbehavior | 03:09 | |
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| MohammadAG | she knows :) | 03:09 |
| ZogG | anyone tried plan9 or haiku? | 03:09 |
| * MohammadAG slaps lcuk for not waving back | 03:09 | |
| MohammadAG | bad lcuk! | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | no bacon for a week | 03:10 |
| ZogG | haha | 03:10 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, are you keep kosher or what it's called for you? | 03:10 |
| lcuk | baconist | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 03:10 |
| ZogG | srs? | 03:10 |
| ZogG | but it' tasty | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | never seen bacon to try it tbh | 03:10 |
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| ZogG | but if you would have a chance? | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not like your kosher | 03:11 |
| ZogG | i'm not - i don't care | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | you don't mix too foods together afaik | 03:11 |
| * lcuk agrees with ZogG about telling over you MohammadAG | 03:11 | |
| MohammadAG | well, others | 03:11 |
| lcuk | taking my bacon away | 03:11 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i do. | 03:11 |
| * lcuk waves @ MohammadAG | 03:11 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, they know, my dad's awake right now :P | 03:11 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, religious family? | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | not a lot tbh | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | moderate | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | like most people these days :) | 03:12 |
| ZogG | you? | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | moderate | 03:12 |
| lcuk | irc == change the topic | 03:12 |
| ZogG | meh - as far as i know your people are or too religious or not at all | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:13 |
| ZogG | lcuk, not fighting - just interested | 03:13 |
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| * MohammadAG kind of agrees with lcuk, we went off topic | 03:13 | |
| * MohammadAG gives lcuk his bacon back | 03:13 | |
| MohammadAG | happy? | 03:13 |
| lcuk | :D yeah | 03:13 |
| ZogG | and the topic is? | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | Bacon | 03:13 |
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| ZogG | how great SoAD is? | 03:13 |
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| MohammadAG | I listen to them a lot | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | call me crazy, idc :P | 03:14 |
| * ZogG xmms2> גי'רפות - רמי מואשם באחזקת סמים קלים ["משוחח עם כיסא" 1999] | 03:14 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, ^ | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | Listening to Engadget atm, they bring up the iPhone each two minutes | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, it says 1999 | 03:15 |
| lcuk | yeah i throw em up when i swalow em too | 03:15 |
| lcuk | swallow | 03:15 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG,so? | 03:15 |
| lcuk | i learnt tho and didnt try again | 03:15 |
| ZogG | it's album year | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | that's the only thing i understood :P | 03:15 |
| ZogG | you don't read henrew? | 03:15 |
| ZogG | hebrew? | 03:15 |
| ZogG | or your system is not unicode? | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | i read hebrew, don't understand a word though | 03:16 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, I hit another wall today | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | my exams :/ | 03:17 |
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| lcuk | thats ok | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | not really | 03:18 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, it's Giraffes - Rami is guilty for use of drugs | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | learning python might be better than differentiating sinx*cosx | 03:19 |
| ZogG | they are really great | 03:19 |
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| MohammadAG | "It has IM" <-- he says that like it's awesome | 03:19 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i study engineering programming and all we do is studing all this shit | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 03:20 |
| ZogG | tell me this | 03:20 |
| ZogG | i don't understand how would i need double differentials with n varies =( | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | huh lol | 03:21 |
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| ZogG | not funny | 03:22 |
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| ZogG | i don't understand a thing =( | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | i didn't get the question | 03:23 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG what question? | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | doubling differentials | 03:24 |
| ZogG | oh | 03:24 |
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| ZogG | you know wht is differentials ? | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 03:24 |
| ZogG | now think of it in 3D | 03:24 |
| ZogG | there is some function z with x and y and you have some boards with other functions and you need to calculate it | 03:25 |
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| MohammadAG | not the slightest idea | 03:28 |
| ZogG | D{(x,y) 0≥x≥y, 1≥x²+y²≥4} f(x,y)= xy | 03:29 |
| ZogG | find the differential | 03:29 |
| ZogG | classic one =) | 03:29 |
| lcuk | ZogG, its weekend, put down the equations carefully and slide them over here before taking 3 paces back | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:30 |
| ZogG | =\ | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | i'll stick to C1-4 | 03:31 |
| kalikianatoli | is that the best friend of r2d2? | 03:31 |
| ZogG | A4-F-5 - chess mat | 03:31 |
| lcuk | i dont know but i tried to parse it and hit a syntax error at ≥ | 03:32 |
| ZogG | i'm almost drunk - it's good =) | 03:32 |
| ZogG | lcuk prob you need to use >= | 03:32 |
| ZogG | and x^2 instead of x² | 03:32 |
| ZogG | lcuk, mathworld.wolfram.com/ | 03:33 |
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| ZogG | haha | 03:33 |
| ZogG | your n900 sucks | 03:33 |
| lcuk | it doesnt | 03:33 |
| lcuk | i disconnected it 276 seconds ago from 3g so i could give it a local address so i could test something | 03:34 |
| ZogG | hmmm | 03:34 |
| kalikianatoli | that sounds perfectly plausible. and also happens to sound like a completely random excuse | 03:34 |
| ZogG | next nokia device on intel z600 | 03:34 |
| * MohammadAG will learn from his mistakes | 03:35 | |
| ZogG | hha there is video of maemo on n97 | 03:35 |
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| lcuk | Nokia-N900:~# py_compilefiles liqbubbles2.py ; python liqbubbles2.pyc | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, is that the..? | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | infobot: 111111111*111111111 | 03:36 |
| infobot | 12345678987654320 | 03:36 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, ? | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | the thing you told me about yesterday | 03:38 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/13510767335 | 03:39 |
| lcuk | im just playing with ideas - just using pyqt instead | 03:40 |
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| lcuk | it would help if the rendering engine was faster tho | 03:40 |
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| xorAxAx | what is broken when apt generates such broken output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/211394/ - symptom: apt-get upgrade always suggests the same packages for upgrade | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<ZogG> D{(x,y) 0≥x≥y, 1≥x²+y²≥4} f(x,y)= xy) that seems complete nonsense to me | 03:46 |
| kajko | whazzzup N900 peeps? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1≥foo≥4 ? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | => 1≥4 | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | FALSE | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 03:47 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizerit's not | 03:48 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, rit's not | 03:48 |
| ZogG | sorry all ≥ are ≤ | 03:48 |
| ZogG | all!!!! | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe in your universe | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I doubt a simple swap of ≥ and ≤ will suffice to build up all the axioms of an inverted world like yours in a consistent manner ;-P | 03:56 |
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| GAN900 | Alright, Andre . . . you've got a rather large screenful of text to wake up to. | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if we got 1>4, this implies the scalar is somewhat negative. So what's an 1*4 area's size then? also negative? | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin GAN900 | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: but while wndering how you managed to create a ≤ char so naturally, I gather you have a quite good enough understanding of mathematics so I can't tell you anything new about perverted mathematic worlds | 04:02 |
| DangerMaus | ROFL...... threre were 7 BPexecs on the drilling rig celebratimg the rigs saftey record when the thing blew !!! | 04:02 |
| DangerMaus | wrongm channel | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA | 04:03 |
| DangerMaus | oops | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, completely right chan | 04:03 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 04:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's some livestream recorded in the internets of their famous last words XP | 04:04 | |
| DangerMaus | thy got off | 04:05 |
| DangerMaus | crap battery on way out | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (livestream) if not, someone has to fake it, and put it on youtube | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's your take on the hostmode development situation ? | 04:22 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, that does make an effective busy wait indicator :D | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, egoshin's doing a good job till now, but idk, i just think he's not the one who'll fix the driver | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, lol | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks for your opinion. Matches my own thoughts | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | heh :) | 04:30 |
| ManoftheSea | hostmode? | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 04:30 |
| ManoftheSea | what is it? | 04:31 |
| ManoftheSea | also, hey everyone | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635293#post635293 | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: long story short: it allows to connect mice, kbds, and other arbitrary usb devices to a N900 | 04:35 |
| DangerMaus | aww fixed the at&t guy ran a new phone line and plgged the modem into the filtered port on the dsl filter | 04:36 |
| DangerMaus | and the rents have no clue | 04:36 |
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| MohammadAG | Night #maemo | 04:38 |
| GAN900 | Hey ho, DocScrutinizer. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | EHLO GAN900 | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | night MohammadAG | 04:39 |
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| ManoftheSea | DocScrutinizer: oh, to be a usb host. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly | 04:41 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, joerg_rw is you? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:42 |
| lcuk | :) | 04:42 |
| ManoftheSea | thanks for the explanation | 04:42 |
| lcuk | thought so | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~joerg | 04:42 |
| infobot | [joerg] a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 04:42 |
| ManoftheSea | the hardware supports it, but the drivers don't? | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist ~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg (Joerg Reisenweber on N900 | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ManoftheSea: yes | 04:44 |
| ManoftheSea | neat. | 04:45 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what games did you used to play as a kid | 04:48 |
| lcuk | puzzles and jigsaws? | 04:49 |
| lcuk | or did you just start with a screwdriver and soldering iron | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | burning my fingers with the soldering iron | 04:49 |
| * lcuk nods | 04:49 | |
| lcuk | :D | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | built my first decent circuit when I was 6 | 04:50 |
| lcuk | what was that? | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | a 2-transistor blinking multivib | 04:50 |
| lcuk | nice | 04:50 |
| * lcuk remembers lessons on the 555 timer | 04:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the most basic thing you can build | 04:51 |
| lcuk | yeah its whats inside traffic lamps | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, no 555 when I was 6 | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's rarely been any silizium transistors ;-P | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc I used 2 pcs AC127 | 04:53 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how old are you? | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :X | 04:53 |
| lcuk | :D | 04:53 |
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| jaska | so old you used germanium transistors?:) | 04:54 |
| jaska | iirc AC prefix would mean germanium | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 04:54 |
| jaska | A = germanium, C = low power .. or some such, its been a while | 04:55 |
| jaska | or low freq | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | low freq | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AF = high freq | 04:55 |
| jaska | ah yeah | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | AD = switch | 04:55 |
| jaska | AA = germanium diode, BA = silicon diode | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:56 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, question, could a small solar cell theoretically power a usb peripheral enough to talk back to device | 05:00 |
| lcuk | if we get the actual data side of things working | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sure. Depends on your notion of 'small', on the sun and clouds, and of course on the power requirements of the attached device | 05:02 |
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| lcuk | well we run calculators on small cells | 05:02 |
| lcuk | im wondering how much draw one of the compasses would need | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | less than the 200mA the N900 can provide | 05:03 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :D | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no need for any solar cell | 05:04 |
| lcuk | that would make lardman a very happy bunny :) | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, powered hostmode is mad useful for a couple of things | 05:05 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, indeed | 05:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | waaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` 2>&1 |less | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | rebooted the device :-S | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) :-O | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | aemo.org | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | is strace supposed to stop the traced process? | 05:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Adium | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, what about my freebie? | 05:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, tried to type talk.maemo.org into the browser, Adium stole focus halfway through. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's Adium? | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | libpurple-based IM client for Mac. | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ugh yourself. | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I got a friggin touchpad to steal the focus, and (not so) recent xorg made synclient bork, so no way to disable that shitty thing (except in bios) | 05:15 |
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| SimonLR | dbus call to adjust screen brightness. Is it documented or must I sniff it? | 07:04 |
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| SimonLR | ah nevermind. | 07:11 |
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| ShadowJK | New personal speed record for n900 hspa: 638269 bytes per second, averaged over a full minute. 9 kilometres (!) from the base station | 07:31 |
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| dotblank | So I really hope pr1.2 doesn't come soon | 07:42 |
| ShadowJK | how come? | 07:42 |
| dotblank | I won't be able to study for exams | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | moooooo | 07:42 |
| dotblank | im going to be using the QT sdk like crazy | 07:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 07:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 07:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | try again ;-P | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 07:44 |
| infobot | i guess xyawn is nap | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | grr, ok I heard a coffee not more than 15min befor going to sleep is rather healthy :-D | 07:45 |
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| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 07:48 |
| infobot | :), luke-jr | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:42 |
| Xisdibik | heya Stskeeps | 08:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer moo's at Stskeeps | 09:04 | |
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| * raster jiggles @ Stskeeps | 09:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 09:04 |
| jaska | zoo | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin driver mess | 09:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer fails to understand why http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel has drivers for a whole zoo of hardware that never will see a maemo OS | 09:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it's the linux kernel? .. | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen jebba | 09:09 |
| infobot | jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 17m 46s ago, saying: 'i dont do maemo stuff for weeks, go to do something, and its down..... pfft.'. | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | linux kernel, pfff *burp* | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | some people throw all the rocks into a box unsorted, and then call that cleaning up | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I understand the concept, but I can't say I appreciate it too much | 09:13 |
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| Tuukka | Hey, here again to ask some advices about linux =) | 09:20 |
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| Tuukka | Every time i start up i need to "load/start" drivers with: "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to get WLAN working. I have allready created a desktop icon to execute that command, but it would be nice that it would happen automatically on startup. Any way to do this? | 09:22 |
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| pgas | /etc/rc.local ? | 09:23 |
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| pgas | or modprobe.conf maybe | 09:24 |
| Tuukka | pas, i'll look into those. Thanks! | 09:26 |
| Tuukka | pgas* ^^' | 09:26 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if linux still has a driver for ethernet and scsi on his old compaq prosignia vs | 09:29 | |
| ShadowJK | VLB :D | 09:30 |
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| ShadowJK | last kernel I tried was 2.4 and required some hacking | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Definitely time for a nap, edited last post 5 times :-S | 09:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer even forgot about the concept of function pointers/callback | 09:33 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: do you know the CONFIG_* of our standard kernel? | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | particularly if there's 209 #ifdef CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD | 09:35 |
| ShadowJK | uhh... I don't know it, but to find out, I'd follow the kernel guide for maemo5 to find the right sources, and then look at defconfig_rx51 or something like that | 09:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders while yawning | 09:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, goodnite #maemo | 09:37 |
| ShadowJK | heh, I just managed to switch away from that dayrhythm :P | 09:37 |
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| Tuukka | pgas, Using the /etc/rc.local worked nicely. Thanks. Anyway to avoid typing the password needed for sudo? | 09:39 |
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| Tuukka | Allready found out, i'll just use sudo -s | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | can't sleep? | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, #ifdef CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD keeps me spinning | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: any pointer to defconfig_rx51? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe you even know if the standard kernel is compiled with CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD ? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig? :P | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme see if I find it | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /rx51_defconfig | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | No matching files | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | eh | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | where are you looking? :P | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=/rx51_defconfig®exp=on | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure it's in the kernel source. | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | 100%. | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so a FQN would help a lot | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ I'm lost | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no arch, no arm, no configs | 10:18 |
| ShadowJK | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/arch/arm/configs/rx51_defconfig | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | blarg *kernel* | 10:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer idiot | 10:19 | |
| Stskeeps | no coffee | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks mate | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: no sleep | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmpf, 1440 CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HDRC_HCD=y | 10:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponters about 1436 # CONFIG_USB_MUSB_HOST is not set | 10:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ponders even | 10:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, definitely n8 :-) | 10:33 |
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| frals | chem|st: pong | 10:37 |
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| Tuukka | I'd like to add a rule to sudoers in which operator is allowed to execute "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper", without password. What exactly am i supposed to add into the sudoers file? | 10:43 |
| Tuukka | Could somebody point me to a tutorial? | 10:43 |
| wazd | hello people | 10:44 |
| hemi770 | Tuukka: could try this - http://www.go2linux.org/sudoers-how-to | 10:45 |
| BillK | where does the n900 keep its desktop files? - or doesnt it use any? | 10:46 |
| hemi770 | i was wondering if anyone knew how i can get /usr/sbin/arp on the n900 | 10:46 |
| hemi770 | it's not in busybox or net-tools | 10:46 |
| Tuukka | hemi770, allready looked into that, but there's no add a single command. You can only point it to some file. Should i create a file with only the command? | 10:47 |
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| hemi770 | i'd appreciate it Tuukka | 10:48 |
| hemi770 | if you could share how you make such a file that would be cool | 10:49 |
| Tuukka | i'll see if i can find something | 10:50 |
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| johnsu01 | hm, the n900 default recent call list doesn't show the duration of calls... is there anything that does? | 10:59 |
| johnsu01 | this "extended call log" application doesn't seem to either | 11:00 |
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| aspidites | i just changed the naming scheme on my package so the autobuilder rejects it. who should I contact to get the old package removed? | 11:31 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, | 11:31 |
| MohammadAG | -, | 11:31 |
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| __a | hi guys, i'm getting "Invalid FIASCO header" while trying to flash my N900 from OSX, any tips on where what to do? | 11:33 |
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| MohammadAG | check the MD5sum of the image | 11:33 |
| __a | i dont have the sums, but tried downloading several times and several different kernels :S | 11:34 |
| __a | http://maemobriefs.blogspot.com/2010/04/how-to-overclock-your-n900s-cpu-over.html | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG | err, kernels? | 11:34 |
| __a | sorry, images | 11:35 |
| MohammadAG | those aren't fiascos... | 11:35 |
| __a | ah, -F flag is for fiasco.. ok feeling stupid now | 11:35 |
| __a | i was merging several howtos hehe | 11:36 |
| __a | thanx! | 11:36 |
| MohammadAG | you do realize this halves your lifetime | 11:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:37 |
| MohammadAG | or even reduces it to prolly 6 months, or even less | 11:37 |
| MohammadAG | Morning Jaffa | 11:37 |
| __a | MohammadAG: im just looking to do some undervolting | 11:38 |
| __a | to increase battery life | 11:38 |
| __a | not run @800mHz | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | apparently i've read that it doesn't help | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, undervolting might redu€e stability | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | c* | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | damn sdk 1.2 hildon-input-method | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | and running it at lower speed even makes it worse | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 11:39 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: damn hildon input method | 11:39 |
| RST38h | Transdickification galore! | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 11:39 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: that was source of all my problems | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, apparently they made it type symbols by holding a key | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | that annoys me... | 11:39 |
| __a | ok? undervolting at 600mHz has been reported to like double battery life according to maemosweden? | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG | ha | 11:40 |
| RST38h | what is maemosweden? | 11:40 |
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| jacekowski | __a: and it will improve your sex life by 300% | 11:40 |
| __a | awsome | 11:40 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 11:40 |
| __a | ill get right to it then | 11:40 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: In Sweden it will, I am sure... | 11:40 |
| __a | http://www.meegosweden.com/alla-bloggar/sandman-bloggar/153-oeverklocka-din-n900-och-fa-baettre-batteri-pa-koepet | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | swedish.. | 11:41 |
| __a | freely translated: "..stay at 600mhz and get more than twice the battery life" | 11:41 |
| __a | last sentence | 11:41 |
| RST38h | and are there any statistics? | 11:42 |
| MohammadAG | probably not | 11:42 |
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| MohammadAG | tbh I think most blogs talk from their ars€s :P | 11:42 |
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| __a | ive seen a few graphs, noting certain though, thats why i want to try for myself :P | 11:44 |
| jacekowski | __a: cpu is only small part of energy consumption | 11:44 |
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| jacekowski | by all estimates it's lcd backlight that uses the most | 11:44 |
| jacekowski | and then probably all wireless comms | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | so killing the LCD helps? :p | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | yes | 11:45 |
| MohammadAG | would the N900 boot up without an LCD? | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | wouldn't bet on it | 11:45 |
| __a | yeah, i already got that app for killing idle connections | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | __a: everything is sleeping anyways | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | it's when phone is working consumption is highest | 11:46 |
| __a | yes, ofc | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | LCD working | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | CPU working at full speed | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | radio transmitting | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG | route it to a BT headset to increase consumption | 11:48 |
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| Termana | hello | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | or actually, it might not be a significant difference | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | hi Termana | 11:48 |
| __a | jacekowski, MohammadAG: so youre saying its perfect the way it is? :P | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | 600000 550000 500000 250000 | 11:50 |
| MohammadAG | all @ stock V | 11:51 |
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| __a | MohammadAG: whats your take on the 125-step for idle? | 11:54 |
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| MohammadAG | also unstable | 11:54 |
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| __a | istnt all of this depending on my batch? | 11:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 11:56 |
| SpeedEvil | some actual numbers | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | well, it needs more time to wake up, thus reducing battery life | 11:56 |
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| MohammadAG | any numbers for WLAN on w/ powersave? | 11:58 |
| __a | "Wifi on with maximum powersaving. +~2mA " | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - see above | 11:59 |
| SpeedEvil | 2mA = 2/1200th battery use use per hour | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | 200mA w/o PSM and 2mA with? | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | wow, that's 1 big difference | 12:00 |
| SpeedEvil | it's huge, yes | 12:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm | 12:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall measuring without psm | 12:01 |
| SpeedEvil | the large numbers at the end are for 3g | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | WLAN on - no powersave - 200mA | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - I can't read | 12:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just woken up, I need my morning coffee. | 12:03 |
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| * fipu test | 12:10 | |
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| fipu | test | 12:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | has anyone gotten kexec working? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | on n900? | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | there's patches for it | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 12:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was hoping for a walkthrough for the lazy. | 12:31 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, thanks for the gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true | 12:33 |
| frals | np ^^ | 12:33 |
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| pupnik | omfg.. # apt-get install phototranslator-alpha | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | E: Handler Silently Failed? | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | E: Couldn't find package phototranslator-alpha | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 12:51 |
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| pupnik | mine has this error phototranslator-alpha: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed | 12:52 |
| MohammadAG | phototranslator-alpha: Depends: libqt4-script (>= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo4+0m5) but it is not going to be installed | 12:54 |
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| yanu | can i install midnightcommander on the n900 ? with repository? | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | yes you can, -devel, big warning signs | 12:57 |
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| yanu | hmm, not recommanded ... | 12:59 |
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| Psi | yeah, i install mc, worked fine | 12:59 |
| Shapeshifter | extras-devel ain't *that* dangerous. just don't mess with kernel related things and other "hackish-looking" stuff if you don't know what you're doing, and be aware that your rootfs might fill up. | 13:00 |
| Shapeshifter | Installing some app that has nothing to mess inside the system can hardly do any damage. | 13:00 |
| yanu | rootfs 227.9M 168.6M 55.1M available 75% / <- that could be a problem | 13:01 |
| Shapeshifter | yanu: wow, 55mb available. that is exceptionally much | 13:01 |
| Psi | be aware tho that some of the drop down mc menus dont fit on the screen and scroll off the bottom | 13:01 |
| Shapeshifter | well that's the case when you don't use extras-devel :) | 13:01 |
| Psi | yeah, 55mb is pretty normal | 13:02 |
| yanu | :) thx | 13:02 |
| Psi | mine seems to flux between 47 and 55mb | 13:02 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm down to 13mb and I'm struggling to get it up ;) | 13:03 |
| Psi | heh | 13:03 |
| Psi | i heard pr1.2 moves more stuff out of root so we might get more space after thats released | 13:04 |
| Psi | however, they might be moving it out so they can fill it up with other stuff :P | 13:04 |
| * dottedmag likes the /floppy dir from the ancient Debian | 13:05 | |
| Psi | heh | 13:05 |
| yanu | when there is roam, it's meant to fill up ;) | 13:05 |
| Psi | i was looking for abiword a few hours ago and couldnt find it | 13:06 |
| Psi | has it been moved or renamed or something? | 13:07 |
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| * RurouniJones looks at the topic, mutters about pr1.2 then goes back to lurking | 13:11 | |
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| SmokeyD | hey everyone, is it possible to get a full version of flash working on my N900/maemo 5 device in firefox or microB? | 13:13 |
| hemi770 | mine had flash out of the box | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | the version of flash is a full version | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | flash 9.? | 13:13 |
| hemi770 | 9.4 | 13:13 |
| Psi | i think he means in firefox | 13:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'or microb' | 13:13 |
| hemi770 | should already be in microB | 13:13 |
| SmokeyD | hmm, i have flash indeed in microb but it seems to be the lite verrsion I think | 13:14 |
| SmokeyD | a website just complained the lite version doesn't work | 13:15 |
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| Psi | ive not had any flash issues with the standard maemo browser | 13:16 |
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| SmokeyD | Psi: business.ikea.com won't work here. | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not lite | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hit youtube, or ... | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | some sites now require flash 10 | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | which we don't have | 13:18 |
| Psi | ah | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | this is not however a flash lite issue | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | So a broken website that tries flash 10 -> flash lite won't work | 13:18 |
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| SmokeyD | SpeedEvil: ah, it is a flash 10 issue with ikea? ok. too bad | 13:19 |
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| SmokeyD | is there any info on fp10 for maemo/linux on ARM? | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | it's reportedly been 'testing' for some time | 13:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | if it'll come out is a different matter | 13:21 |
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| SmokeyD | ok. stupid ikea people that they don't have a non flash version. guess i'll go to another store :) | 13:24 |
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| yanu | thx, mc is running ! | 13:29 |
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| hemi770 | still wondering how to set static ARP entry on n900 if anyone knows | 13:31 |
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| SmokeyD | hemi770 isn't it possible with the arp command that is avillable on other linux distros? | 13:46 |
| hemi770 | i can't find an arp executable for it | 13:46 |
| SmokeyD | sorry, me neither :) should've lookes before answering. | 13:47 |
| hemi770 | seems like a pretty basic omission to me | 13:47 |
| hemi770 | esp since it could be compiled into busybox | 13:48 |
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| SmokeyD | hmm, I actually never use it on my normal linux boxes | 13:48 |
| hemi770 | that's fine if you don't need it :) | 13:48 |
| Surfa | arp entry | 13:48 |
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| Surfa | ? | 13:48 |
| hemi770 | yeah | 13:48 |
| Surfa | you mean mac address? | 13:48 |
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| Surfa | or arp table? | 13:48 |
| hemi770 | arp table | 13:48 |
| hemi770 | arp -s etc etc | 13:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | easy - and silly way | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Install easy-debian | 13:49 |
| SmokeyD | hemi770 would it be hard to combile using the sdk? haven't tried the sdk yet myself. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | start it | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | copy off /.debian/usr/sbin/arp | 13:50 |
| hemi770 | installing sdk now | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 'just works' | 13:50 |
| hemi770 | SpeedEvil: cool that sounds easy | 13:50 |
| hemi770 | thanks for the tip | 13:50 |
| hemi770 | i suppose pr1.2 will require a full reinstall of everything when it comes out? | 13:50 |
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| Surfa | why? | 13:51 |
| Surfa | of course not | 13:52 |
| hemi770 | ok that sounds good | 13:52 |
| * haltdef_ will do one anyway | 13:52 | |
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| SpeedEvil | hemi770: I'm unsure if something as silly as adding the debian libdirs to /etc/ld.so.conf - and running ldconfig - would let you run most stuff outside chroot | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect it would | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | (only the statically linked binaries, and ones with the same libs will noemally work | 13:55 |
| hemi770 | probably worth a try | 13:55 |
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| hemi770 | here comes easydebian | 13:57 |
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| frals | wouldnt the "easiest" be to get the .deb from debian arm and try if it works? | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: possibly, yes | 14:00 |
| * SpeedEvil is lazy though. | 14:00 | |
| hemi770 | i think i'll be wanting easy debian anyway | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And I had easydebian installed. | 14:01 |
| hemi770 | but i'll check that out too | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And after that, all you need is cp. | 14:01 |
| frals | http://www.techeye.net/internet/woman-says-3d-porno-made-her-pregnant :| | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | plus - if - assuming it works - you simply add the libs to ldconfig - add the binary path to your path - then you have it 'just working' - with no problems of optification or / filling up | 14:02 |
| hemi770 | jeez it's a sweet little machine | 14:04 |
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| hemi770 | was lying in bed piping tunes from the main collection to the ghettoblaster via FM last night | 14:04 |
| hemi770 | v cool | 14:04 |
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| hemi770 | Hello world :) | 14:13 |
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| TomaszD | there is something wrong with the gps logger widget | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | what? | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me | 15:04 |
| TomaszD | yeah, it works, but the gpx file says my max cycling speed today was 111.92kph | 15:05 |
| sECuRE | congrats, that’s faster than you are allowed to drive on some roads here :P | 15:06 |
| sECuRE | would get you to work quite fast | 15:06 |
| TomaszD | mapmytracks.com shows the correct track and everything, avg speed is plausible, but vmax is not possible | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | maybe your new bike is just awesome | 15:06 |
| TomaszD | it is, but not that awesome | 15:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Welcome to GPS. | 15:08 |
| TomaszD | well, my external gps with sportstracker on the e51 never showed bogus data, apart from idiotic elevation | 15:08 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 15:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | I probably need to add a section on speed to that page | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at the start | 15:09 |
| TomaszD | I will try external bt gps tomorrow and see if that helps | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Edit it, and cut off the start | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | or alternatively, look for where the error is | 15:09 |
| TomaszD | I think that the widget makes some rounding/averaging errors when it loses signal | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | or it uses the cell id stuff | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: See the above page. | 15:11 |
| TomaszD | I disabled everything data-connection wise | 15:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: Imagine what happens to the pink GPS trace when it tries to calculate accuracy | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Were you carrying it with GPS antenna up? | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | That will help some | 15:12 |
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| sECuRE | where is the gps antenna located? | 15:12 |
| TomaszD | the n900 was in my pocket, so I had no control over this | 15:12 |
| TomaszD | I will put the phone in the bike satchel next time | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure you do | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | For most pockets, there is a couple of orientations - one more to the sky than the other | 15:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | the GPS antenna is at the top, next to the powerbutton | 15:13 |
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| hemi770 | also if your pocket was swinging around... | 15:13 |
| TomaszD | it was :) | 15:13 |
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| TomaszD | alright, I'll put the phone correctly in the satchel tomorrow and then compare with an external gps on Monday if weather allows | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: wow, that's a pretty good bike then :P | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: you sure you showed us the right picture? Sounds more like a motorbike :P | 15:17 |
| TomaszD | heh | 15:17 |
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| TomaszD | no worries, couple of phone calls, carrying the bike on steep hills, massive amount of red lights, shopping, and the avg speed is about 13km/h | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | so it's definitely a bike | 15:18 |
| TomaszD | :) | 15:18 |
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| crashanddie | you stop at red lights? | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Dude, you're a cyclist, fuck those rules! | 15:19 |
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| Stskeeps | in poland, if you don't respect red lights, you die | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:19 |
| TomaszD | yes | 15:20 |
| * satmd believs that | 15:20 | |
| crashanddie | Just hop on the pavement, switch to the pedestrian crossing, and you're good | 15:20 |
| satmd | +e | 15:20 |
| TomaszD | and you're as good as dead you meant | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | meh | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | plonkers :P | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | I'll teach you how to drive a bike :P | 15:20 |
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| TomaszD | even if you respect red lights you simply cannot let your guard down for a second or you will die | 15:21 |
| TheVirtualVortex | in shanghai even if you respect the red lights, you are risking to die | 15:21 |
| TomaszD | I need to buy a helmet.. | 15:21 |
| TheVirtualVortex | cars don't care about bikes or pedestrian... | 15:21 |
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| sp3000 | just switch on the hops, cross over the pedestrian, and you're on the pavement? | 15:22 |
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| TomaszD | we actually have real bike paths, lots of them | 15:23 |
| TomaszD | I just did >30km only on bike paths | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | gents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfjSSlQ-yc | 15:24 |
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| TomaszD | that would be incredibly retarded to do over here | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | it is incredibly retarded to do anywhere | 15:26 |
| TomaszD | yes, but these guys have an intact camera | 15:26 |
| TomaszD | you'd get crushed by a bus on the second intersection over here lol | 15:27 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: you still got the machine gun? | 15:27 |
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| crashanddie | aye | 15:28 |
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| MohammadAG | can I have it? | 15:28 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649250#post649250 | 15:28 |
| TomaszD | I think it's "safe" to do this in new york because the traffic is stationary in the video, while here cars are doing 80km/h+ on the main road | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/S30jNW9SimI/AAAAAAAAALs/riyEWoXWOKQ/s1600/Screenshot-20100214-173750.png | 15:29 |
| TomaszD | and still, all it takes is one idiot to swerve into you and you're dead, so I guess these guys just don't care, better do this on a bike than in a car I guess | 15:29 |
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| TomaszD | DocScrutinizer, :) | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: it's a world apart | 15:30 |
| chem|st | TomaszD: you can do that in any huger city over here | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: these guys do it in London, SF, NYC, Moscow, Tokyo, whereever | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nice speed limits over there | 15:30 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: these guys take huge risks, but are also incredibly skilled. I'm not saying it's right, but there is a business for it, and they understand the risks very well | 15:32 |
| chem|st | well my father told me of on he saw doing it and then he passed him after 15 minutes the biker passed him at a hill...upway | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: not a day goes by that one of these guys doesn't lose his life against a car | 15:32 |
| adeus | that tmo link reminds me of a local thief that stole all the mile(km)stones off a road | 15:32 |
| TomaszD | I've found a map with bike paths, they're in red http://mapa.trojmiasto.pl/?dzial=rowery | 15:32 |
| adeus | big heavy stones | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's been your sophisticated way to reboot with dsme & bme stop? | 15:33 |
| chem|st | the wrong way part is nice | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqTxNgEtL4I | 15:34 |
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| chem|st | adeus: lol | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: excellent documentary -- "Pedal" | 15:34 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, well, you see, I don't think it's wrong to take risks with your own life, it's theirs, let'em die, but there are also pedestrians to consider | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | meh, yeah and no | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: look at that second video, he's probably one of the best couriers in NYC, and he's seriously careful around pedestrians | 15:35 |
| TomaszD | adrenaline junkies I understand, but many of those guys are just assholes, and don't tell me they aren't, when they jump out of a corner straight into your child on the pavement | 15:35 |
| TomaszD | then you'll tell me "meh" | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie | I've crashed quite a few times going fast in pedestrian areas of London | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | and I don't think I've ever met a fixie who'd rather run into someone than a wall | 15:36 |
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| TomaszD | fixies with no brakes are on a whole new level of retardedness of their own | 15:37 |
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| TomaszD | the so called "hipsters" like them | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | why? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest a hood over the eyes and then running random on highways | 15:38 |
| sifr | question: i am planning to get the n900 finally as i have managed to save up some money. My question is that are there different generations of model of the n900? | 15:38 |
| TomaszD | I'm not sure why they like them, because unnecessary danger is cool? | 15:38 |
| TomaszD | and lack of practicality is a huge coolness factor too | 15:39 |
| RurouniJones | sifr: not currently | 15:39 |
| sifr | The reason I ask is when I was surfing the nokia website a few months ago the price went down to about £438 in the uk. and they replensihed the stock and the price went up to 479 | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: That's because you've never driven one :) | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: fixies are seriously fun to ride, they require a whole new level of involvement | 15:40 |
| sifr | RurouniJones: I see thanks. | 15:40 |
| TomaszD | I had a bmx when I was young, but it had brakes, it was indeed fun, not very practical, but fun | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: and you still have brakes | 15:40 |
| ManoftheSea | sifr: possibly a conversion rate issue | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: you can lock up the rear wheel, and then hop the back | 15:40 |
| TomaszD | yeah, I'm talking about people who intentionally get rid of them | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: nha, fixie = braking by not pedaling | 15:41 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: no no, there was no conversion. it was £438 and then went upto £479 so I thought maybe they upgraded the boards or something | 15:41 |
| chem|st | TomaszD: its just weight you dont want... | 15:41 |
| chem|st | sifr: no | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | and reliability | 15:41 |
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| sifr | On a side note does anybody have or know of anyplace i can get a promo code? :) | 15:42 |
| TomaszD | wait, I confused bmx with fixies, fixies are even worse, you have to force the pedals to stop moving to lock up the wheel and totally loose control in a bend or in wet conditions right? | 15:42 |
| ManoftheSea | sifr, you're sure it's not the conversion from one currency to pounds? There aren't hardware versions | 15:42 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: you've a fixie then? | 15:42 |
| ManoftheSea | promo? | 15:42 |
| lbt | Just FYI : http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service | 15:42 |
| * tybollt not sure - do I want a fixie? | 15:42 | |
| TomaszD | *lose | 15:42 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: 100% sure both quoted in pounds | 15:42 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: braking makes your rimes dirty ;) | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: I have a fixie yeah, it's my cheap city bike | 15:42 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: and this is directly from nokia's website too. | 15:42 |
| * lbt starts on the 'Setting up Fremantle' task... | 15:42 | |
| ManoftheSea | sifr, but if pounds to dollars (or whatever they're built in) changed in that time... | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | no brakes means no cables, no gums, no free wheel, no moving mechanical parts | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | it means once its setup, you can leave it in the sun, the rain, snow, salt, whatever, it'll never die | 15:43 |
| ManoftheSea | Because those numbers you quoted aren't nice round numbers. | 15:43 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: oh oh, you mean that way. Right I see. hmm quite possible. | 15:43 |
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| sifr | ManoftheSea: should've bought it then :) | 15:43 |
| ManoftheSea | are you sure you want a linux computer? | 15:44 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: promotional code for discounts etc. | 15:44 |
| chem|st | sifr ManoftheSea: what a discussion? the price changed nearly hourly back in february. On nokia website it was about weekly. | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: yeah, there's no coasting on a fixie | 15:44 |
| sifr | ManoftheSea: ofcourse, I have everything else running some form of unix or linux at home | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I paid a friggin 600EUR to them, some 9 months ago ;-P | 15:45 |
| ManoftheSea | alright. I'm fine with it, I love mine. It's just a question that has to be asked. | 15:45 |
| chem|st | sifr: look for the cheapest retailer an gogogo | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: you just need to plan where you'll be stopping, you can slow down slowly by slowing down the number of revolutions of your pedals/legs, or you can completely lock up the back wheel (which doesn't make you lose more control than if you locked up the back wheel on a normal brake bike) | 15:45 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I paid 520 at amazone | 15:45 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I paid 520 at amazon | 15:45 |
| sifr | chem|st: thanks. will have a look. | 15:45 |
| TheVirtualVortex | lbt: setting up a local OBS? | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: then, by hopping the back wheel, you create a kind of "ABS" system, where you use the initial friction gripping to make your slowing more adequate | 15:45 |
| lbt | TheVirtualVortex: maemo.org and meego community OBS | 15:46 |
| chem|st | sifr: and dont buy used, they oc'ed already... | 15:46 |
| ManoftheSea | uh... why would you lock and ABS? | 15:46 |
| ManoftheSea | Static friction is better than kinetic friction | 15:46 |
| TheVirtualVortex | lbt: I see, sounds great | 15:46 |
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| ManoftheSea | Which is to say, when the wheel is just before lockup: better | 15:46 |
| lbt | :) need to see how it evolves | 15:47 |
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| TheVirtualVortex | lbt: I have packaged some games in OBS (for opensuse) | 15:47 |
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| TheVirtualVortex | lbt: so I'll be glad to do the same for maemo once it's ready | 15:47 |
| sifr | chem|st: hmm wasn't aware of that. Thanks. To be honest I did consider buying used but thought might as well go for new and pamper it. :D | 15:47 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, there's too many variables in play when driving here to plan ahead in this way | 15:47 |
| TomaszD | *riding, not driving | 15:47 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: but it'll kill you if you're not used to it :) | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: oh definitely | 15:48 |
| lbt | TheVirtualVortex: cool ... | 15:48 |
| TomaszD | and I don't lock up my rear wheel to brake, I use both brakes to just slow down | 15:48 |
| chem|st | tybollt: for sure | 15:48 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: Which is why I've - so far - stayed away from getting one... ;) | 15:48 |
| chem|st | TomaszD: I take on the front, back bracke is just for turning | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: they're seriously fun to ride though, I mean, they're cheap as, you can probably get a frame + fixie gears for what, 60 quid? | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | you can convert any bike to be a fixie | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the way those brakes I once seen worked, was the front wheel was indirectly braked by the force of the read wheel. So before you go 'yeeha' over the bike's steer, the the rear lifts and lessens front break this way | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | they will take the most absolute pain, too :P | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/read/rear | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nha, fixie doesn't have any front wheel braking | 15:50 |
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| crashanddie | locking up the front wheel will send you flying regardless if you've started braking the back wheel or not | 15:50 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping ... starting on http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup ... looking at the backend_storage bit | 15:51 |
| tybollt | so. libdems + con or libdem + plaid cymru + SNP + lab? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I was just baffled, when I heard 'ABS' and 'fixie'. That's the only 'ABS' type of bike brake I ever seen | 15:51 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: been ther done that... | 15:51 |
| * tybollt would've loved to see the latter | 15:51 | |
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| TomaszD | I think there are abs disk brakes on bikes | 15:51 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, but useless | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | you have fingers, just bloody use them | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | if you can't tell when your wheels start skidding, you shouldn't be on a bike | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: maybe on motorbikes | 15:52 |
| TomaszD | you're right, but it's good for beginners | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | no it's not | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | apparently the app manager works quite well in portrait mode | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: lazy dog!! | 15:52 |
| crashanddie | giving beginners too much help is always a bad decision: it means that instead of having a straight learning curve, they have 3 or 4 new curves that change all the time | 15:53 |
| TomaszD | you'd want abs on the front wheel, I'd like that :) | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-08 14:33:27] <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: what's been your sophisticated way to reboot with dsme & bme stop? | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: it's like those pussies who want to do competition paintball, and have full body armour | 15:53 |
| crashanddie | "Yeah yeah, I'll take it off once I feel ready for it" | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ? it reboots immediately when using dsmetool | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's been the exact cmdline? | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | few things: your rear wheel brake should always be controlled by your non-main hand (if you're right handed, your left hand should control the rear brake, and vice versa) | 15:54 |
| TomaszD | you know, I had similar attitude to you, but everyone has their level of commitment and I started respecting it, so if someone want abs on their bike, let them have it, if someone uses full body armor, let them be | 15:54 |
| TomaszD | *wants | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: not if they want to be on my team ;) | 15:54 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, I have the opposite setting on my bike, why? | 15:55 |
| tybollt | bikes have ABS now? | 15:55 |
| tybollt | what the hell | 15:55 |
| tybollt | that's crazy :) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: :-D that's exactly the only mod I did to my mountainbike | 15:55 |
| Milo- | anyone know if the source code for n900's chess-game are open source? and where would I find them? | 15:56 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: because when you need to do something else (phone, drink, gps), you'll do it with your right hand, if you need to brake suddenly, you don't want your "clumsy" hand to pull like a madman on your front brake :P | 15:56 |
| tybollt | crashanddie++ | 15:56 |
| TomaszD | tybollt, nah it's actually cool, especially in winter I think it would be useful, a patch of ice when riding in snowy conditions is never cool | 15:56 |
| tybollt | I know from experience since I've dived over the front bar right into dirt | 15:56 |
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| tybollt | no serious injuries just it hurt like fucking hell | 15:57 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, I'm rather ambidexterous when it comes to that so I don't care | 15:57 |
| tybollt | I had burns everywhere | 15:57 |
| tybollt | TomaszD: you're not supposed to be biking in the winter | 15:57 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, so where do you draw the line when it comes to safety equipment, if no abs, then maybe no helmets too? | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: I'd rather make that a rule across the world, when someone buys a bike "right handed or left handed", and just switch the brake cables. It's no work at all, and can literally save lives | 15:57 |
| tybollt | (unless you enjoy broken bones) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dsmetool -t bme_RX-51 | 15:57 |
| * MohammadAG waits for DocScrutinizer51 to timeout | 15:58 | |
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| crashanddie | TomaszD: oh no, definitely helmets | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks :-D | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: I mean, if you want ABS, go for it, but make sure you also know how to brake properly without it | 15:58 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, so helmets are cool, but no abs when you get into a sketchy situation | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I asked to NOT timeout | 15:58 |
| TomaszD | alright.. | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: technology should be used to make things easier, not to make things dumber or fool-proof | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you'll quit when you type that command :) | 15:59 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, I will agree with you that e.g. automatic gearbox on a car makes me a worse driver | 15:59 |
| TomaszD | I pay less attention | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why I asked. It will get ignored in my further tests | 15:59 |
| johnsq | Hi | 15:59 |
| crashanddie | plus, ABS and all that crap is going to go bad (look at the accelerator mess for Toyota). It may sound stupid, but when it comes to my safety on a bike, where basically there is nothing between me sitting on it, and me skidding across the pavement, I want there to be as little points of failures as possible | 15:59 |
| TomaszD | true, that is a concern. | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no idea why it immediately reboots it though | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're sure you used '-t' ?? o.O | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | how heavy is it? How reliable is it? How much maintenance is there? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, why? | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | Most people never do any maintenance on their bike, and it just makes it more dangerous | 16:00 |
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| TomaszD | whoa | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | -t --start-restart=<cmd> Start a process | 16:00 |
| satmd | it always splits the others :p | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | -k --stop=<cmd> Stop a process started with cmd | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | sec, if I reboot i did a -t | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | THAT'S why I asked :-P | 16:01 |
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| * crashanddie wonders if we should create a #maemo-ot channel | 16:01 | |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, I guess failsafes should be built-in, but I know for a fact that dirty/faulty abs sensors can be dangerous in certain situations | 16:02 |
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| satmd | great, lets move all the netsplits there ;D | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: so mohammad and me could move over there? ;-P | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems mohammad already did X-P | 16:02 |
| TomaszD | I think there is a pattern for geeks and technology lovers, they do love their bikes, every bigger community has their ardent bike advocates | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | It's an excellent way to stay in shape | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | unncessary reboot... | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | nearly everyone on the planet knows how to ride a bike, nearly everyone on the planet can go out and ride a bike | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, -t reboots the device | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | it's cheap (if you need it to be), and it gets you to know the area you live in | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet it does | 16:04 |
| frals | Total: 200182 downloads \o/ | 16:04 |
| hemi770 | sydney sucks for bikes | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | satmd: /ignore -channels * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS | 16:05 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if frals would like that number as karma | 16:05 | |
| hemi770 | i prefer amsterdam, but what can ya do | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're trying to start a second BME instance, which definitely must fail. And you ask dsme to rebot when the started process ends | 16:05 |
| TomaszD | crashanddie, http://imgur.com/gGVZZ.jpg pic from today | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | nice | 16:05 |
| crashanddie | what camera is that, how come you're shooting in 1:1? | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | I noticed that I f'd up... | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, -k coming up | 16:05 |
| TomaszD | I... I've no idea | 16:06 |
| TomaszD | n900 | 16:06 |
| TomaszD | I just changed to landscape mode | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: err, what's 'coming up'? | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | dsmetool -k | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | oh my bad, that's not 1:1 | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going to finish AC2 again, later | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: THAT is the part I need no dict for | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's 'coming up' I don't get | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please rephrase | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | err, doing the cmd... | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 16:07 |
| TomaszD | frals, damn you, mine is only 145k :P | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | bah | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | Process not killed: not found, not root or kill failed | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | not root | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | i am root | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | what are you guys trying to do? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | stop b,e_rx-51 | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme even | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | s/,/m | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | what's wrong with kill -9? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | instant reboot | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, try it :P | 16:09 |
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| MohammadAG | what if bme was replaced with an echo script... | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | -t --start-restart=<cmd> Start a process | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (on process exit, restart max N times, | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | then do SW reset) | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | dsmetool -h | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bootloop | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | even with rd-flags? | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | lifeguard to be more specific | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I'm told by 'the definitive authorities' | 16:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer muses over bme_RX-51 712 root mem REG 254,1 7600 6481 /usr/lib/libdsme.so.0.2.0 | 16:12 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you try replacing it | 16:13 |
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| MohammadAG | ? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, Stskeeps told me it will bootloop | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it was my very first idea as well :-) | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm assuming it's closed... | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, like hell | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | so many compilers but no decompilers | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon it's the holy BME | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | someone should make one.. | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | or reverse engineer it, but that's way too much | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did a strace. -> reboot :-O | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 16:15 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: there are decompilers | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard strace is stopping or killing a process (except skype :-P) | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: most of them fail | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: strace does ptrace on process | 16:16 |
| SimonLR | What are you guys looking at? | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: which pauses it for while | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | bme | 16:16 |
| SpeedEvil | bme | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | killing BME | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | bme_RX-51 | 16:16 |
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| jacekowski | maybe watchdog did it | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | watchdog is the root of all problems here | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | and watchdog can be made harmless | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | disabling it should help, but DocScrutinizer doesn't want to do that | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd rather patch the bme binary than use R+D | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | besides, what are you doing? | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | if it's closed how is the possible | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | Host mode | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | LD_PRELOAD | 16:19 |
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| jacekowski | and where is you problem with BME? | 16:20 |
| jacekowski | because there is many ways of doing it | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but honestly, bme is to be started somewhere in init. Not yet checked but shouldn't be hard to spot | 16:20 |
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| jacekowski | patch file on flash, patch image in memory, LD_PRELOAD, | 16:20 |
| jacekowski | gdb with some scripts attached to bme would even do the jon | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | job* | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: ld_preload actually a great suggestion | 16:21 |
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| jacekowski | i know | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | i'm clever bloke | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe indeed | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG_ | grr | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | router crashed | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | on 3G | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | shame that it's not very good pick up line for chicks | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | it would be cheapest one | 16:23 |
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| * Shapeshifter notices loss prepositions and verbs around | 16:25 | |
| GAN900 | Found an interesting issue with fMMS | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | grep -r bme_RX-51 /etc | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowskii'm clever bloke LOL | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | not lol | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | that's a fact | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /etc/event.replace.d/bme: exec /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | i don't think so | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeh? | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | i don't think that's started from there | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | but let me check | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | # reboot the device if flag file is not present (bme crashed) | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | interesting | 16:31 |
| SimonLR | What's the reason you guys are discussing killing BME? | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | Host mode | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | BME gets in the way of lots of stuff | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | When you're doing low-level hacking | 16:32 |
| alterego | My girlfriend is playing on the xbox, hopefully this will give me enough time to do some serious geeking today ::) | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | i would personally disassemble it | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | into some sort of compillable C code | 16:34 |
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| Corsac | the girlfriend? | 16:34 |
| alterego | Hah | 16:34 |
| Corsac | I'm not sure the license authorise you to disassemble your girlfriend | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, what if the reboot part is removed? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it insulted my girlfriend | 16:34 |
| Corsac | but maybe it depends under which license your gf is distributed | 16:34 |
| alterego | My gf is closed source :P | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: tell me | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 16:35 |
| SimonLR | Just rev-eng the binary | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | My favourite would be to remove bme completely from all init stuff | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, tell you what lol | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | $LOGGER -pdaemon.notice 'post-stop' | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | it tests for that | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin embarrasing bme | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | if it doesn't exist | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | it reboots the device | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | who does theat? a script, no? | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | STOP_FLAG=/tmp/bme.was.stopped | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, yes | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | the one you mentioned above | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | apparently it also tampers with mce's engine3 | 16:38 |
| Shapeshifter | what's the watchdog good for exactly? | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | does it just reboot the device whenever it thinks the system isn't sane enough anymore? | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | basically, yes | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | that's not very linux-like | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | if an app is killed it restarts it | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems like 'stop bme' should work, no? | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, sure, tell that to the people who can't start hildon-desktop when it crashes | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 59 | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 55 | 16:40 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: sure | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50 | 16:40 |
| Shapeshifter | 45? | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hehehe | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | 16:41 | |
| MohammadAG_ | and.... | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | run for shelter, spam! | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# stop bme | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | reboot? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) running, process 712 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) pre-stop, process 2312 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | main process 712 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) stopping, process 712 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) killed, process 712 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) post-stop, process 2315 | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme (stop) waiting | 16:41 |
| * MohammadAG_ pings DocScrutinizer51 | 16:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hezho | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | ooh, it still pongs | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heyho even | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | s/it/he | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | wait so... | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | is bme off now? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope so | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | -P | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | let's see you start it now! start: bme respawning too fast, stopped | 16:43 |
| alterego | You guys working on usb host ? | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | credit goes to DocScrutinizer | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | start: bme respawning too fast, stopped | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme (start) waiting | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme (stop) starting | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme (stop) starting | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme (stop) waiting | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | xD | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: yes | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: reboot? | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I'm on the N900 | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | if it reboots I'll quit | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | per-transmitted-packet checkpoints to disk would be cool. | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hey | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | it isn't charging | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ho | 16:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer plugs hub to N900 | 16:45 | |
| MohammadAG_ | guess it worked! | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: After 32s, the watchdog on the charger kicks the charger off | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess you know that then | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | :) | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, hub working? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | waaaait | 16:46 |
| * MohammadAG_ impatiently waits for DocScrutinizer, and the female-female adapter from DX | 16:46 | |
| MohammadAG_ | should've paid the extra 20... | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hub works of course | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | no shut off after 60s? | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | hub works - plugging shit in? | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you just mean vusb? | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme seems not to intercept | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, of course just VBUS | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | bme seems dead* :P | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | third period of 30s | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | VBUS | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | I tried stop bme_RX-51 | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | a week or two ago | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | next: augment this silly oneline to a decent script doing bq24150 watchdog reset | 16:49 |
| * MohammadAG_ gets out his shotgun and shoots the watchdog | 16:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | Your next challenge: BME in 12 lines of sh. | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | so... anyone here with an N900 and doesn't care about reflashing it? | 16:50 |
| SimonLR | /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus | 16:51 |
| SimonLR | oops | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly :-P | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | been top of my todo for 3 weeks now X-P | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | guess not lol | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SimonLR: thanks | 16:51 |
| SimonLR | ? | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | was just this moment looking for it | 16:51 |
| SimonLR | I can read minds | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | works | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | (/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus) | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | env SYSFS_VBUS_PATH=/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | is in /etc/event.replace.d/bme | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | SimonLR, just saw the query, was asleep | 16:53 |
| SimonLR | MohammadAG_: I forget what I asked, lol | 16:54 |
| SimonLR | MohammadAG_: was like 2 AM. | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | if [ $(cat $SYSFS_VBUS_PATH) -eq 1 ]; then | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke busybox | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | $LOGGER -pdaemon.notice 'starting battery precharge' | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | SimonLR, 7 here | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | +rape busybox | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rape busybox | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzzzz | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~die | 16:54 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 16:54 | |
| SimonLR | erm | 16:55 |
| SimonLR | BME uses /proc/self/oom_adj in what way? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even any idea what a friggin shit that might be | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | what if bme was replaced with a touch /tmp/bme.was.stopped script | 16:55 |
| SimonLR | I assume it's OutofMemory | 16:56 |
| SimonLR | and uses it to terminate a specific process | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes sense | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: why should we do that? | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, if that file isn't missing it should boot properly | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | even if bme was killed | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes, but we can stop bme any time, quite conveniently | 16:57 |
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| * MohammadAG_ forgot we got past that part... | 16:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so my previous intention to eliminate and put it to oblivion from all init somewhat has diminuished | 16:58 |
| SimonLR | Hosing BME off the system would cause other issues, no? | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly | 16:59 |
| SimonLR | hm | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even wonder if musb_hdrc doesn't maybe need bme to work properly | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's be a real PITA though | 16:59 |
| SimonLR | yes it does | 16:59 |
| SimonLR | Hold up | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus seems to work with bme stopped | 17:00 |
| SimonLR | Is it possible to simply camp on the BME sockets and tie them up? | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't see many other topics where bme might interfere with hostmode | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you not even have a slightest idea what those sockets are, no? | 17:02 |
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| SimonLR | Huh? | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeeha, 62s continuous VBUS | 17:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, who was it who said that host mode was physically impossible? | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | QGil I think | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | I didn't spell that right did I | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | otg wasnt | 17:11 |
| pupnik | so what have you guys gotten working on usb? | 17:11 |
| SimonLR | actually you know what? | 17:11 |
| SimonLR | BME uses OOM to do the system sanity reboots | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | pupnik, host mode | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | OOM? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post649339 | 17:12 |
| pupnik | what device has been found to work MohammadAG_ ? | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the one which doesn't already work | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | N900 | 17:12 |
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| pupnik | e.g. keyboard, hard drive | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 17:12 |
| Shapeshifter | mugwarmer? ;) | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | should be all, when it works | 17:13 |
| pupnik | i was just typing | 17:13 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lol Shapeshifter | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | USB Javelins | 17:13 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: DocScrutinizer made the joke ;) | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | I know :P | 17:13 |
| Shapeshifter | so why do you have to keep doing that every 28 seconds? | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | I remember stuff said on the IRC more the irl | 17:14 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if he should 'start bme' now | 17:14 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, stopping bme works | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | <DocScrutinizer> yeeha, 62s continuous VBUS | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | "infinite" VBUS: | 17:14 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: no, I was asking - DocScrutinizer - why the 28 seconds? | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | last I checked 28 wasn't a factor of 62 | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | safety headroom | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | i would've appreciated a tracking number for the adapter... | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | mh? but, you do it every 28 seconds. Why? I know almost nothing about this. does something happen at 30 or what? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracking number?? | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: watchdog in bq24150 expires after 32 sec | 17:16 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ah | 17:16 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, to track where it is | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | it was shipped a week ago | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | adapterrrrrrr aah | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo bring me breakfast | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, doesn't work | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 17:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 17:18 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | wouldn't your stomach need to be root to digest it? | 17:18 |
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| SimonLR | the mouth daemon chowns it | 17:19 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of removing the firmware update for the cellmo from the leaked FW | 17:21 |
| alterego | So I can poke about with the release. | 17:21 |
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| SimonLR | Just flash rootfs. | 17:23 |
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| alterego | Surely the firmware is in the rootfs .. | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG__ | so? | 17:24 |
| SimonLR | Unpack the FIASCO image. | 17:24 |
| SimonLR | it's CMT-MCUSW | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG__ | oh, modem firmware | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG__ | 2101 for the N900 btw | 17:24 |
| GAN900 | alterego, also: strip the keylogger | 17:24 |
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| SimonLR | GAN900: continue... | 17:25 |
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| alterego | GAN900: I don't mind the keylogger, I'm just going to add the rick roll on startup and distribute it on some chinese torrent site with an incremented version number ;) | 17:25 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 17:26 |
| SimonLR | I built a backdoor'd 1.2 image a few weeks ago, just to see if it worked. | 17:26 |
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| SimonLR | then I got asked for an Android ROM with a backdoor in it. | 17:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | !logs | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ~logs | 17:30 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily | 17:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - that's helpful... | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | /topic | 17:31 |
| * SpeedEvil points at broken URL | 17:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | 17:32 |
| ManoftheSea | woo! just replaced my TV remote. | 17:33 |
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| * MohammadAG realizes that refreshing the DX won't make the package arrive faster | 17:33 | |
| ManoftheSea | qtirreco | 17:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | how can I list all packages installed? | 17:35 |
| SimonLR | MohammadAG: DX takes forever | 17:35 |
| SimonLR | Shapeshifter: dpkg -l | 17:35 |
| Shapeshifter | SimonLR: thanks | 17:36 |
| * MohammadAG shrugs | 17:36 | |
| ossipena | hey MohammadAG, I just pushed Vertsms to git that has storing the message to conversations implemented | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil told me it takes 1 week | 17:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I don't think I did | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | i'll take that as push it as 0.3? :P | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It takes 2-3 | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | err 2 weeks sorry | 17:37 |
| SimonLR | MohammadAG: Takes 1 week for them to even get the damn order | 17:37 |
| SimonLR | Then 2 weeks to process and ship it | 17:37 |
| SimonLR | But hey, you can't really complain for the cost. | 17:37 |
| ossipena | MohammadAG, yes please. I am a bit unsure about the functionality (direct fiddling with db instead of official api) | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | ossipena, screw the API, just ask DocScrutinizer and his experience with bme | 17:38 |
| ossipena | works for me but I want to get it tested better... | 17:38 |
| SimonLR | ossipena: does it backup el.db? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wo summoned me? | 17:38 |
| ossipena | simonlr, nope | 17:38 |
| SimonLR | ossipena; are you modifying it directly, or making clone changes? | 17:39 |
| ossipena | directly | 17:39 |
| SimonLR | I hope you don't run into corruption issues with write times | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnah, breakfast calling | 17:39 |
| ossipena | should I make a backup every time before writing? | 17:39 |
| SimonLR | No | 17:39 |
| alterego | Would be better to use rtcomm? Rather than updating el.db directly .. | 17:39 |
| SimonLR | Ideally yes, but it's lame as fuck | 17:40 |
| SimonLR | You should clone it, make changes to the clone file | 17:40 |
| SimonLR | Have a sanity check with sqlite3 and then commit them | 17:40 |
| ossipena | do you have good examples how to do that? | 17:40 |
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| alterego | Still think talking to rtcomm would be better ... | 17:40 |
| SimonLR | Unfortunately not :( | 17:40 |
| alterego | I thought sqlite3 was thread safe anyway .. | 17:41 |
| SimonLR | It would definitely be better, but you know it's a shit ton harder | 17:41 |
| ossipena | alterego, probably yes if there was some sense using it | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | ossipena, where is the db stored? | 17:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 coughs on 'DBMS threadsafe' - points to commit/rollback | 17:42 | |
| ossipena | /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 17:42 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | 13.9MBs | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG | would be hard/time consuming to backup and write to it each time | 17:44 |
| SimonLR | Don't need to do it each time | 17:44 |
| alterego | There's some really cool things happening in the community now, usb host seems to be looking quite possible, vert sms, though I'll probably not use that personally. | 17:44 |
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| alterego | I kinda want to work on something myself, but not sure what to do really. | 17:44 |
| alterego | Something based on Qt | 17:44 |
| SimonLR | write a backend service for search | 17:45 |
| frals | ossipena: should probably use the rtcom-el api as you'd get a shitstorm over you if the database got corrupted ;-) | 17:45 |
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| alterego | frals: exactly what I've been saying ;) do youuse it for fMMS? | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | i'll help to contribute with what frals warned you about | 17:46 |
| frals | alterego: nope, using my own db | 17:46 |
| alterego | There is MMS integration in rtcomm .. | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | *** System restart required *** | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah told him about it | 17:47 |
| alterego | :) | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | ossipena, got a link to the gitorous repo? | 17:47 |
| hemi770 | frals: thanks, the debian arm package for net-tools provides a working arp command | 17:48 |
| hemi770 | lenny | 17:48 |
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| ossipena | http://gitorious.org/vertsms/ | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | thanks :) | 17:49 |
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| pupnik | cmong lets get this libqt4-core fixed | 17:50 |
| alterego | pupnik: what's wrong with it? | 17:51 |
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| freesamael | hello, everyone | 17:51 |
| adeus | hello | 17:52 |
| freesamael | i noticed that my n900 is quite hot with 3G, is there anyway to monitor the temperature? | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | ossipena, changelog? | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | other than db | 17:52 |
| alterego | freesamael: mine gets like that too, it's not too hot. | 17:53 |
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| TomaszD | freesamael, I wouldn't worry about it, it's normal, as long as you don't overclock, put a stress test on and hide the n900 under a pillow, it should be ok | 17:53 |
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| SimonLR | freesamael: there's a crude kernel module for battery temps | 17:53 |
| ossipena | mohammadag, nothing else. well, backspace improvement code that is commented | 17:53 |
| freesamael | it used to be ok, but the summer's coming, the temperature in my room now is about 28 degree | 17:54 |
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| freesamael | so n900 seems hot when it's in high loading or with 3G, is that ok? | 17:55 |
| freesamael | because here in taiwan the highest temp in summer is about 38 degree... :( | 17:56 |
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| SimonLR | freesamael: I've had mine up to 50deg. No bother. | 17:57 |
| freesamael | wow | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | LOOOL | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | attach charger | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | stop bme | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | watch bq24150 resetting to default charging mode after 32s, lighting up hardwired amber charge indicator | 18:00 |
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| Stskeeps | dangerous or not? :P | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what's up with your soldering iron? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: I dare to take bets nothing bad will happen | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | (was just curious) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: see, bq24150 has quite conservative sane defaults | 18:03 |
| * MohammadAG flashes a corrupt bootloader and blames DocScrutinizer51 for the brick | 18:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: send the brick to me, you'll get recompensated evetually | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | no ability to flash a corrupt bootloader, they're signed :P | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | (depending on where the check is) | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: there's always JTAG | 18:07 |
| SimonLR | omap3430 is unbrickable anyways | 18:07 |
| SimonLR | 34xx | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: i don't personally have jtag | 18:08 |
| jacekowski | SimonLR: explain | 18:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 touches his neck, forehead, other parts of his body | 18:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | me neither obviouslz :-P | 18:09 |
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| SimonLR | jacekowski: serial and JTAG make it essentially unbrickable by SW | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | you can disabl jtag | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ugh, jtag blowfuse? | 18:12 |
| SimonLR | jacekowski: from software? | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | N900 battery isn' good enough to survive wait time at a&e | 18:14 |
| jacekowski | shame | 18:14 |
| pupnik | weirdos :) | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a&e?? | 18:16 |
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| jacekowski | british version of er | 18:16 |
| jacekowski | accident & emergency | 18:17 |
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| jacekowski | bbl | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? not enough power for the defibrilator, or what? | 18:18 |
| SimonLR | haha | 18:19 |
| SimonLR | jacekowski: I always keep a spare in my wallet. | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't produce heat. I am unsure if this is the iron, or the controller - the iron shows one 12R resistance on it - which is around right for a 50W iron on DC | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I simply have not got up the energy to fix it. | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | we'd need decent honest figures for the shunt | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Why? | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean - I see the point in the abstract. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for freeBME | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | But - given that everything reads out in terms of the shunt resistance, and that 20mR seems to work - why not? | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just don't exceed the limits BME does, and you're fine | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yesyes | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway | 18:22 |
| * RST38h yawns | 18:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Impressive. Searching my logs, I find a maximum charging current of 11.6A. | 18:26 |
| * SpeedEvil suspects a bogon. | 18:26 | |
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| SpeedEvil | (reading the bq*'s module output) | 18:26 |
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| SimonLR | I'm in your machine. Fork bombing your shit. | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 18:28 |
| RST38h | "The Pentagon, not usually known for its frugality, is pleading with Congress to stop spending so much money on the troops." | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | looks like xchat... | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | sec restarting it | 18:28 |
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| RST38h | Mhm installer written in Java fails | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | Probably wrong version of the JVM =( | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (bogon) interference with bme, on I2C bus | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | frals, 200k! | 18:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - suppose so | 18:47 |
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| jatt | hi, how can I fix this: dpkg --purge remove dropbear | 19:02 |
| jatt | rmdir: unrecognized option `--ignore-fail-on-non-empty' | 19:02 |
| jatt | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 | 19:02 |
| jatt | Linux Nokia-N900-51-1 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown | 19:02 |
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| SimonLR | jatt: modify the post-removal script would be my option | 19:20 |
| SimonLR | jatt: or clone rmdir and parse out the argument. I'd contact whoever maintains the dropbear package. | 19:21 |
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| jatt | thanks, another question, is gcc available for the n900? I would like to compile a small program on it | 19:29 |
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| crashanddie | I wonder if Google would have been able to answer that? | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | jatt: yes, gcc is available on the N900 | 19:31 |
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| crashanddie | jatt: You can add the sdk/tools repository to the N900, and then use apt-get to install build-essential | 19:31 |
| petteri | are they optified? | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | nope | 19:32 |
| petteri | ok :/ | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | any other questions? | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | C'mon, bring it on | 19:36 |
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| lcuk | petteri, download the source for them, make patches, add a bug report and append them to it | 19:36 |
| lcuk | ill try and see what can be done | 19:37 |
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| petteri | lcuk: i'll manage with the sdk. I was just wondering | 19:37 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, get a job? :P | 19:45 |
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| frals | lcuk: yeah, pretty cool :> | 19:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: not yet | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now egoshin is starting to act funny :-P "WARNING WARNING" aiui the whole thread doesn't contain a single explicit method to mess with TWL4030 - except of course egoshin's modded kernels themselves | 19:56 |
| BCMM | till-: are you Till Harbaum, the Maep developer? | 19:56 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did the other me quit? | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, it's not here | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | phone isn't turning on lol | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | Orange solid light | 20:02 |
| smhar | is it possible -and relatively easy- to intercept call and sms in N900 to trigger some actions? | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | sms yes, look at the i am here source | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | smhar, dbus | 20:03 |
| N900evil | DocScrutinizer51: well - ther were your i2cset commanda | 20:04 |
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| smhar | not owning N900 yet, so what is dbus? | 20:07 |
| moza | Good evening. | 20:07 |
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| GAN900 | smhar, Linux thing. | 20:07 |
| inz | IPC | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | smhar, for inter-process communication | 20:07 |
| N900evil | smhar: dbus is a process communication net | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | wikipedia is your friend | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | inz, expanded acronym on an N900 win. :P | 20:08 |
| smhar | GAN900, going through it already :-) | 20:08 |
| N900evil | think of it like 10base-t ethernet between processes. | 20:08 |
| moza | Are questions about hardware supporting maemo welcome? | 20:08 |
| N900evil | moza: sure | 20:08 |
| N900evil | moza: there are four lights! | 20:08 |
| N900evil | err | 20:08 |
| N900evil | four maemo devices | 20:09 |
| moza | I am considering buying a phone, and need a GPS anc compass in it. | 20:09 |
| N900evil | n770,n800,n810,n900 | 20:09 |
| moza | I think the N900 doesn't have a compass, and i don't know the other phones. | 20:09 |
| moza | Thanks for the numbers, it will be easier to compare :) | 20:09 |
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| N900evil | there is no phone with compass and maemo | 20:09 |
| moza | Any general comments on them? | 20:09 |
| moza | oh... ok then... | 20:09 |
| N900evil | the others are old. | 20:09 |
| N900evil | why compass? | 20:10 |
| moza | I am doing non-visual interaction, and i need to be able to use a pointing gesture | 20:10 |
| N900evil | k | 20:10 |
| moza | To get audio/vibration feedback when you point in a direction. | 20:10 |
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| tybollt | compass is good because it means you can navigate w/ your maps program even when walking | 20:10 |
| tybollt | navigating w/out compass is a PITA | 20:11 |
| N900evil | I know. | 20:11 |
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| moza | ok, so i guess i'm left with android :/ | 20:11 |
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| tybollt | Nokia doesn't | 20:11 |
| N900evil | I have pondered making a compass. | 20:11 |
| tybollt | moza: yup, android | 20:11 |
| moza | nothing that will get out soon with maemo and a compass? | 20:11 |
| tybollt | N900evil: a simple BT one would do it | 20:11 |
| moza | i can wait a little :) | 20:11 |
| N900evil | it is hard to make it internal without lots of incestment. | 20:11 |
| N900evil | the hole is too small. | 20:11 |
| N900evil | only 1mm thick for the microsd. | 20:12 |
| tybollt | N900evil: external - BT | 20:12 |
| tybollt | do it! | 20:12 |
| N900evil | if it was 2mm, would be 'easy' | 20:12 |
| moza | Thanks for the information anyway :) | 20:12 |
| N900evil | good lick. | 20:12 |
| N900evil | sorry - sun rflecting off display | 20:13 |
| N900evil | makes poofreading hard. | 20:13 |
| smhar | ok, GAN900, so using dbus, I can write a program in python that intercept an sms and triggers actions, am I right | 20:15 |
| lcuk | smhar, look at fmms - it is written in python and does just that | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | smhar, yes, dbus does global broadcast for a lot of stuff. | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | Er, well, processes do broadcasts through dbus for a lot of stuff. | 20:16 |
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| smhar | is there a thunderbird for N900, just like there is a firefox | 20:16 |
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| frals | lcuk: nah, fmms intercepts sms push, normal sms are handled differently afaik :) | 20:17 |
| lcuk | ahh k | 20:18 |
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| valdyn | smhar: yes and no | 20:19 |
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| smhar | valdyn, how? | 20:19 |
| valdyn | smhar: the desktop firefox runs on n900 and does desktop thunderbird | 20:19 |
| valdyn | smhar: but as far as i know theres no mobile version of thunderbird | 20:19 |
| smhar | I see | 20:20 |
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| omar | for the n900, is there a way to see sms notifications on the desktop? it seems that when i receive an sms when i'm away from the phone the only thing i see is that the upper left task manager is blurred | 20:41 |
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| lcuk | o_O http://twitter.com/MeeGoPortal/status/13611719121 | 20:46 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like vnc | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok, theme | 20:48 |
| BCMM | omar: there is a widget, i think | 20:50 |
| BCMM | also, doesn't the LED flash? | 20:50 |
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| omar | BCMM the widget i saw just takes you to conversations and only shows the number of conversations you have and the total messages in each, it's pretty useless | 20:58 |
| omar | it might as well act as a shortcut | 20:58 |
| omar | and LED notification i'm not sure.. sometimes when you're just pulling the phone out of your pocket and unlocking it the only way i know i have something is through that small blurred icon | 20:58 |
| BCMM_ | omar: you mean the top left icon? | 20:59 |
| omar | yeah | 20:59 |
| BCMM_ | perhaps that is just your theme? in mine, it's pretty obvious | 20:59 |
| smhar | is it possible to assign different tones to different contact? | 21:00 |
| BCMM_ | i'm using the Matrix theme (which is mostly like the default by with blue things changed to green) | 21:00 |
| omar | i mean it's obvious it's blurred but that's the only place i can see i have an sms :) | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, GDesk is basically a launcher :) | 21:01 |
| BCMM_ | and the icon in the top left goes white instead of green and gets a flare | 21:01 |
| omar | ah i'm using marina theme | 21:01 |
| * MohammadAG misses his N97's form factor | 21:01 | |
| omar | okay i'll look at more widgets... now what'st he command to monitor current network usage? i have personal data monitor but want something that shows me my down/upload speeds like conky | 21:02 |
| omar | i'm assuming there's a command to do this but i dunno what it is | 21:02 |
| BCMM_ | talking of usage monitors, anybody know of one which tracks how many minutes of phone call you've made? | 21:02 |
| BCMM_ | i know you can get it from the interface somehow, but a desktop version that reset automatically each month would be shiny | 21:02 |
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| omar | might have to learn how to program these things ourselves :P | 21:03 |
| BCMM_ | omar: there is an app to display missed calls and SMS in the status area | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a clone of conky | 21:04 |
| omar | BCMM_ what's the name? | 21:05 |
| BCMM_ | omar: callnotify | 21:05 |
| BCMM_ | omar: haven't used it | 21:05 |
| BCMM_ | omar: was "Conversations Inbox Desktop Widget" the one you didn't like? | 21:05 |
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| omar | i'll checkit out now | 21:05 |
| omar | yeah that one | 21:05 |
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| omar | i had that one on for awhile and it seemed rather useless | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, it might be but it looks cool | 21:06 |
| BCMM_ | and yeah, i definitely need to learn to program for Maemo when i have some free time | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I find it ironic that he locked his N97 in landscape mode | 21:07 |
| BCMM_ | oh, anybody know of a map program for maemo that lets you add points on the map? | 21:07 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, total maemo experience lolz | 21:07 |
| ruskie | hmm I have an odd issue... can't flash the MMC fiasco image | 21:07 |
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| BCMM_ | (not the openstreetmap editor, i mean just places you want to find again) | 21:08 |
| ruskie | Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. Raw data transfer failed: Resource temporarily unavailable | 21:08 |
| BCMM_ | i guess i'm just going to have to look at the maep sourcecode when i have time | 21:08 |
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| zlimvos | when i get unsupported media on n900 default media player for videos should i just look for codecs? | 21:09 |
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| omar | intellisyncd is used by nokia messaging? | 21:10 |
| BCMM_ | zlimvos: i once had that message for a video it actually could play - resolved after closing a web page that was pegging the CPU with javascript | 21:10 |
| BCMM_ | ymmv, might have been a one-off bug | 21:10 |
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| BCMM_ | zlimvos: you can try playing it in mplayer | 21:11 |
| zlimvos | ok good to know though thanx | 21:11 |
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| BCMM_ | (but mplayer doesn't use hardware accelleration, so will be jerky on most hi-res stuff) | 21:11 |
| zlimvos | mplayer? ill look for it | 21:11 |
| zlimvos | ahaa | 21:11 |
| * BCMM_ forgets taht not everybody is coming from a linux background | 21:11 | |
| BCMM_ | mplayer plays nearly anything, but doesn't do hardware accell on the n900 so performance is not amazing | 21:12 |
| BCMM_ | i don't know about extra codecs for Media Player, but i doubt it somewhat since it basically plays what it has hardware support for | 21:12 |
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| ruskie | ahh seems like the pc usb port was a tad flaky | 21:13 |
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| omar | ruskie, it works now? | 21:13 |
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| ruskie | omar, yeah | 21:17 |
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| zlimvos | i just added the extra codecs for the default player i didnt see before | 21:18 |
| ruskie | and now I have a PR1.1.1 wiped device... now need to start with the repartitioning again and go on from there | 21:18 |
| zlimvos | btw i am looking up for vlc in n900 if that works it should be perfect | 21:18 |
| ruskie | I'll stick to mplayer ;) | 21:19 |
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| ajf_ | gdb doesn't seem to work in my FREMANTLE_X86 scratchbox profile, it just says invalid pointer and then segfaults (gdb) also. My code is being compiled with the -g flag. Read the page on gdb in the wiki and read elsewhere SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/gdb would fix it, but it didn't | 21:21 |
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| ajf_ | when I run gdb in gdb is says libc is segfaulting | 21:24 |
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| omar | this is strange, just started getting this error wlan0: deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3) when my wlan worked flawlessly the past 3 days. i've changed absolutely nothing too and i'm connected to same network on this very computer | 21:25 |
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| andre__ | omar, maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6416 ? | 21:31 |
| povbot | Bug 6416: Wifi won't connect until rebooted... | 21:31 |
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| andre__ | though there are a few similar issues still around | 21:32 |
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| omar | i rebooted already, will try again | 21:32 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, satisfactory? :P | 21:42 |
| andre__ | about your tmo comment? yeah, definitely | 21:42 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, excellent | 21:44 |
| andre__ | very helpful. | 21:44 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, now write a reply so we cam bump it up on the New Posts list and stimulate some discussion. | 21:49 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, I will reply, sure, but maybe not yet today (got to prepare some urgent gnome stuff) | 21:50 |
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| FIQ | E: Handler silently failed | 21:52 |
| FIQ | what does that means | 21:52 |
| FIQ | running aptitude | 21:52 |
| FIQ | i tried to install fennec | 21:52 |
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| frals | hmm wonder if i could do pyqt dev on my win7 machine | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | frals, sure you can | 21:56 |
| frals | as in get it setup without spending too much time on it | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | winscp + favorite editor + putty to get a console | 21:56 |
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| frals | yeah but i meant as in run in on my machine | 21:57 |
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| frals | :D | 21:57 |
| lcuk | my console for python is "rm [blah].pyc; py_compilefiles [blah].py; python [blah.pyc | 21:57 |
| lcuk | ahhh frals | 21:57 |
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| MohammadAG | <FIQ> E: Handler silently failed | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | it means you can't install via apt (thank Nokia for that) | 21:58 |
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| GAN900 | frals, you have a Windows 7 machine? | 21:59 |
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| MohammadAG | (*cough* I hear this works to get rid of the apt error *cough* http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13-0m5_armel.deb) | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | frals, you know what that means, right? | 21:59 |
| frals | GAN900: yes, that i enjoy gaming ;) | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | he's a traitor | 21:59 |
| lcuk | if you enjoyed gaming frals you would have windows xp :p | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:00 |
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| frals | lcuk: had i suffered any noticeable perform loss with win7 probably | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i want an app for maemo | 22:00 |
| lcuk | running on my desktop | 22:00 |
| lcuk | to do sms conversations | 22:00 |
| lcuk | i had one for my o2 ice phone | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/microsoft-legal-unfazed-by-ubuntu-windows-xp-gui-clone.ars | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | convo reminded me of that ^ | 22:01 |
| frals | mmmm "These binary installers for Windows contain everything needed for PyQt development except for Python itself. " | 22:01 |
| * frals likes | 22:01 | |
| GAN900 | frals, psh | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | frals, means we have to take your maemo.org account away. :P | 22:02 |
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| frals | GAN900: ^_^ | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | frals, get the StarCraft II beta yet? ;) | 22:02 |
| frals | nah i gave away my key to someone who had time to play it :< | 22:03 |
| * frals curses fmms | 22:03 | |
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| frals | (no, not really, all time spent on fmms has payed off ;)) | 22:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | You are now a millionaire? | 22:05 |
| frals | bah! :P | 22:06 |
| GAN900 | Ha | 22:07 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: have you tried SC2 on mac? | 22:17 |
| Shapeshifter | there's still no other term than X Terminal for the n900 right? after the exams I'll look into porting urxvt | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, yeah | 22:18 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, works fine | 22:18 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: no surprise there, just good to see a good game getting native support on mac though | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | although a combination of sucky Blizzard code and sucky Apple graphics drivers makes it a touch slower than the Windows version. | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Steam and Source, too. | 22:19 |
| crashanddie | aye | 22:19 |
| crashanddie | especially good to see people moving away from directx | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Mac gaming may be on the rebound after the Intel change rang its death knell. | 22:19 |
| GAN900 | Indeed | 22:19 |
| Shapeshifter | what intel change? what death knell? | 22:20 |
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| Tuukka | Hey, anyone running iTunes on linux? If yes, what version works best? Any special wine settings? | 22:21 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: apart from the offtopic, why do you want to? | 22:21 |
| Shapeshifter | Tuukka: itunes??? D: | 22:21 |
| ruskie | completly random join and question? | 22:22 |
| frals | nice, pyqt was as easy to install and get started with as i was hoping it be \o/ | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347 tukka | 22:22 |
| BCMM_ | the n900 accepts music like a normal mass storage device; you don't need itunes to put music on it | 22:22 |
| Tuukka | Well if there's better alternatives for syncing Ipods give me a shout | 22:22 |
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| BCMM_ | (and AFAIK people only use itunes because it works with ipods) | 22:22 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: amarok | 22:22 |
| ruskie | there are alternatives to ipod stuff | 22:23 |
| Tuukka | not talking about maemo -.- Ubuntu | 22:23 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: I hope your python code will be cross platform? :> | 22:23 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: and why do you think it will interact nicely with an ipod in wine anyway? itunes installs a bunch of weird windows services and possibly drivers | 22:23 |
| frals | the teststuff im doing now better be lol :D | 22:23 |
| Shapeshifter | Tuukka: gtkpod, amarok, rythmbox... they all do ipod tranfers | 22:23 |
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| crashanddie | Tuukka: make sure to use Alsa, itunes 7.2 worked fine, don't know about the new versions | 22:24 |
| BCMM_ | it's only really windows which requires you to use itunes | 22:24 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, PPC to x86 | 22:24 |
| Tuukka | Allright, i'll try one of those you sugested, thanks | 22:24 |
| Shapeshifter | Tuukka: rhythmbox ships with ubuntu btw | 22:25 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: ah. hows that related to directx? | 22:25 |
| Tuukka | Shapeshifter, so ipods should work out of the box? | 22:25 |
| Tuukka | just plug it in? | 22:25 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, it's not, really. | 22:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Tuukka: indeed! | 22:25 |
| Tuukka | Shapeshifter, in that case gotta try it right away | 22:25 |
| Shapeshifter | :) | 22:26 |
| SimonLR | Tuukka: use VirtualBox. | 22:29 |
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| Tuukka | Thanks for all the suggestion, gotta test them all and see which one works best for me. | 22:31 |
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| GAN900 | frals, weird bug | 22:36 |
| BCMM_ | the n900's infrared thing can recieve as well as transmit, right? | 22:37 |
| frals | GAN900: ? | 22:37 |
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| GAN900 | It messed up my APN settings when it crashed during receiving | 22:37 |
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| frals | o_O | 22:38 |
| GAN900 | wuth messed up MMS settings. | 22:38 |
| frals | could you file a bug and attach fmms.log? | 22:38 |
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| frals | seems to be something fishy going on with my apn workaround stuff but not had time to investigate it yet | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | BCMM_: no, only send, not receive | 22:39 |
| BCMM_ | oh | 22:39 |
| BCMM_ | certain? | 22:39 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 22:39 |
| crashanddie | made the same mistake some time ago | 22:39 |
| BCMM_ | aww | 22:40 |
| crashanddie | ping Stskeeps & DocScrutinizer51: IR is only transmission, correct? | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | afaik | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not sure | 22:40 |
| BCMM_ | got a TV remote with a couple of buttons that do nothing in less you get a DVD player from the same company | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yep | 22:40 |
| Tuukka | Btw, should i get a firewall or some antivirus for ubuntu. Or am i safe without using one? | 22:40 |
| BCMM_ | wanted to control media player with them | 22:40 |
| BCMM_ | perhaps i just need a longer AV cable so the n900 can be the remote | 22:40 |
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| BCMM_ | Tuukka: a software 'firewall' is basicaly to protect you from insecure programs that have open ports to the 'net | 22:44 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: on linux, the general solution is just to not install such things (on windows they come with the OS) | 22:44 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: but do you know what channel this is? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: it's a simple IR-LED switched on and off by a GPIO of SoC. It happens this particular GPIO can be set so it's controlled by a counter/devider to create certain frequencies without the CPU spinning loops like mad | 22:45 |
| BCMM_ | Tuukka: maemo is a somewhat specialised Linux distro that runs on phones - #ubuntu or ##linux will give you much more useful information | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | BCMM_: you're an idiot | 22:46 |
| SimonLR | wtf | 22:46 |
| Tuukka | BCMM, yeah i know it's for maemo, but maemo= linux => Lot's of people who are using linux and are eager to help = (Y) | 22:46 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: why? | 22:46 |
| SimonLR | I stand behind crashanddie's comment. | 22:46 |
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| crashanddie | < BCMM_> Tuukka: on linux, the general solution is just to not install such things (on windows they come with the OS) | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | [citation needed] | 22:46 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: SMB | 22:46 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 22:47 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: basically, a typical linux distro doesn't have open ports out of the box | 22:47 |
| SimonLR | BCMM_: Hardly. | 22:47 |
| BCMM_ | iptables is very useful if you've installed server packages | 22:47 |
| crashanddie | oh, it doesn't, doesn't it? | 22:47 |
| SimonLR | BCMM_: go install Ubuntu and netstat -ln yourself. | 22:47 |
| BCMM_ | well, on a desktop one, ssh is probably not install and x will be started with -nolisten tcp | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | BCMM_: All generalising statements are evil, including this one | 22:48 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: fair enough | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | so please, use them with parsimony, especially when you're giving information | 22:48 |
| BCMM_ | fair enough, i forgot cupsd | 22:49 |
| SimonLR | BCMM_: There are still numerous daemons that run, unbound to the loopback. | 22:49 |
| BCMM_ | but every distro i've seen comes with cupsd set to ignore connections not from localhost, by default | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | BTW, Windows, since XP SP1 (or was it SP2?) comes with a software firewall, which is more than most linux distributions can boast. | 22:49 |
| BCMM_ | well, i just scanned my own machine and found ssh and cups | 22:49 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: most distros come with iptables | 22:50 |
| SimonLR | BCMM_: Saying that Windows "ships" with insecure 'applications' and Linux doesn't, is a stupid falsehood. | 22:50 |
| BCMM_ | and most distros come with no rules enabled, because they don't have open ports (from outside) by default | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | BCMM_: not setup, and iptables is notoriously difficult to setup for noob users | 22:50 |
| BCMM_ | sure, it was an excessively dumbed-down answer | 22:50 |
| SimonLR | No, it was a dumb answer. | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | anyway, let's move on | 22:51 |
| BCMM_ | crashanddie: yes, but it's not really necessary unless you're intentionally installing servers applications | 22:51 |
| BCMM_ | in which case you probably need to know what you're doing to start with | 22:51 |
| SimonLR | Do you guys like chicken on your salad? | 22:51 |
| BCMM_ | software firewalls on a desktop OS are a tacked-on security system | 22:51 |
| BCMM_ | i will shut up now | 22:51 |
| crashanddie | not really, the most important thing for desktop computers are outbound firewalls rather than inbound | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | depends on the system | 22:52 |
| LinuxCode | indeed | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | some machines are directly on the net without a router | 22:52 |
| swc|666 | +1 | 22:52 |
| LinuxCode | Id concur with a well know proprietary system | 22:52 |
| frals | BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, i hate bugs | 22:52 |
| lcuk | others have a nice solid hardware wall between them | 22:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: indeed, however it's becoming more of an exception than a rule. What was the name of the worm that restarted everyone's XP computer? Blaster? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i think that was windows millenium | 22:53 |
| crashanddie | nha, it definitely was vanilla XP installs too | 22:53 |
| SimonLR | it was XP also. | 22:54 |
| SimonLR | It was an issue with DCOM RPC | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | aye | 22:54 |
| lcuk | yeah the open by default port | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | attacks such as these have definitely reduced in strength and scale due to ISPs offering routers to most customers by default | 22:54 |
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| SimonLR | and RPC is still ridiculously vulnerable. | 22:54 |
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| SimonLR | Inbound attacks have reduced, as if from a user to a direct target. | 22:55 |
| SimonLR | Now it's through a different medium. | 22:55 |
| SimonLR | They are being targetted through the browser. | 22:55 |
| crashanddie | which is why outbound firewalls are more interesting (not that inbound firewalls ought to be disregarded, considering the number of open wifi networks we connect to) | 22:55 |
| SimonLR | Absolutely. | 22:56 |
| SimonLR | Outbound would block payload listeners. | 22:56 |
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| crashanddie | I use little snitch on my mac, and the sheer number of connections going out for trivial applications is sometimes just frightening | 22:56 |
| LinuxCode | mac.... | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | it's also quite interesting to see that sometimes specific malwave is being served from non-default ports | 22:57 |
| SimonLR | uh | 22:58 |
| SimonLR | You expect malware to use a defined port? | 22:58 |
| crashanddie | well, I'm guessing 80 and 443 would be most open in firewall rules | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | serving from anything else lessens their corporate/government impact | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget malware living on routers natively ;-P | 22:59 |
| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer: that's why I only use DD-WRT or Tomato. | 23:00 |
| SimonLR | or run a dumb switch and a dedicated box with pfSense | 23:00 |
| BCMM | iirc, malware running natively in a (fancy) network card has been demonstrated | 23:00 |
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| crashanddie | BCMM: oh yeah, more than once | 23:01 |
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| BCMM | is it in the wild? | 23:01 |
| BCMM | or still just a curiousity? | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | BCMM: I remember an exploit where a lucent switch would serve specific html replies when a keyword was in the URL | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | well, I'm guessing if the firmware hasn't been patched, it still could | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | but never heard of a wide scale attack | 23:02 |
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| SimonLR | There was a talk at CanSecWest | 23:02 |
| SimonLR | Only showed one specific card from a single manuf. | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: no slamming, please | 23:03 |
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| LinuxCode | crashanddie, was I slamming ? | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | 21:57 < LinuxCode> mac.... | 23:03 |
| LinuxCode | mac is another proprietary system | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | :) | 23:03 |
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| crashanddie | so? | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | see what I said earlier | 23:04 |
| SimonLR | I wouldn't really call Mac a full blown proprietary system. | 23:04 |
| johnsq | Hi | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | SimonLR, Id like the kernel source then please | 23:04 |
| LinuxCode | ta | 23:04 |
| SimonLR | I wouldn't use one if you paid me, but still. | 23:04 |
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| SimonLR | LinuxCode: Not having access to kernel source doesn't mean it's completely proprietary | 23:05 |
| SimonLR | I dislike Apple more than the average guy, but I can still be logical. | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | LinuxCode: can you PM me what you said? I wasn't in the room apparently | 23:05 |
| valdyn | LinuxCode: the kernel is unix, you can get that everywhere, just not the code for apples implementation | 23:05 |
| LinuxCode | valdyn, ok, so no source | 23:05 |
| LinuxCode | thanks for clarifying | 23:05 |
| LinuxCode | crashanddie, nevermind mate | 23:06 |
| LinuxCode | pretty pointless anyway | 23:06 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 23:06 |
| * LinuxCode needs to get back to work | 23:06 | |
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| frals | im starting to understand why devs are annoyed by the 10d quarantine to promote to extras | 23:26 |
| Surfa | eager for the fmms promotion? | 23:28 |
| swc|666 | frals, are you the fmms dev? | 23:30 |
| Surfa | it may be annoying but it's kind of understandable as too quick promotion would in some cases lead to possibly serious problems in certain nw conditions | 23:30 |
| Surfa | local apps are of course different story | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nw? | 23:33 |
| lcuk | frals - you think 10 days is bad | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | extras aims to be for rock solid reliable apps | 23:35 |
| alterego | anyone played with gdigicam-camerabin.conf? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | never ever heard of | 23:35 |
| alterego | Wondering if the 'element' option can take parameters. | 23:36 |
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| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, network | 23:39 |
| Surfa | nw condition dependent sw tends to break when switched to other environment :| | 23:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: why do you think local apps are any less prone to severe problems. For PDA alike devices preserving user data is absolute priority #1 - local apps can mess up your data as well | 23:42 |
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| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, that wasn't the point.. point was that they work in more stable environment and thus they are more easy to test | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | or imagine fmms going apeshit and sending 10 mms / sec | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's correct | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:43 |
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| Surfa | to me 10days testing for networking sw is pretty damn short time :) | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or even frals going apeshit, and deciding to be evil. | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | However - unless someone is actually reading the source - a 10 day timer would do that | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | what basically results in same | 23:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Unlike 4chan, we are his personal army. | 23:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how hard it would be to tweak a 'if leftstr(nr, 4) == "0900"" into a "(long)nr = (long)"0900"", by e.g manipulating a pointer/stackaddr | 23:50 | |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you can't cast a char array into a long! | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | though probably not even maemo QA would notice an oopsie like a "=" instead of a "==" | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | well, you *can*, but it has no valid use | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yes, I guess I'm terribly wrong on that. I know my C foo is rather old and stained | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: you can | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: if you know what's going to happen | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | also, while '=' and '==' are similar in ASCII, they're completely different concepts low-level | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: which you don't. | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | well, i know what's going to happen | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | in most cases it's undesirable | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | but | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sure, that's the art | 23:57 |
| zokier | shouldn't you get the pointer to the array?: | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | you'll get a truncated pointer to an arbitrary constant location | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | and no guarantee it's truncated, either | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | afaik it won't be truncated | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | could be | 23:58 |
| zokier | trucation depends on the platform | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | can only assume will be | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | on most of platforms | 23:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im getting the bluetooth.btcommon.BluetoothError: (22, 'Invalid argument') error with wiicontrol. there seems to be a thread but no resolution | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | unless you assume it could be truncated, you're writing invalid C | 23:58 |
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| zokier | luke-jr, s/invalid/platform specific/ | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | C isn't platform specific | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's no real issue - the purpose IS to write invalid C | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | platform independence is the *point* of programming languages | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | emm | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | that's bs | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | C is arch dependent when it comes to side effects. | 23:59 |
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