IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-05-06

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PhonicUKLoadLibrary("") failed: No such file or directory00:01
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MecePhonicUK, perhaps you could use bash?00:04
PhonicUKI sorted the case problem00:04
PhonicUKwrite my own script to do it :P00:05
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PhonicUKbut now it cant find some lib00:07
PhonicUKeven though its right ther e:\00:07
MecePhonicUK, I haven't tried it. looked like it should work just fine from what I read on tmo00:10
PhonicUKevery time i google it I get spammed with stuff about Q300:11
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PhonicUKwhich isn't helpful xD00:11
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lcukhi Joonas00:15
Joonastrying to update gTranslate, but I'm getting an error. Package missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.15-1+0m5)00:16
JoonasDo i need to wait for PR1.2 before I can update?00:16
lcukJoonas, if the package has strict dependencies on a specific version, then yes unfortunately00:18
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JoonasBut is there updates that needs PR1.2 in the repository?00:19
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crashanddiesorry Joonas, brainfreeze00:19
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lcukhey crabman \o00:20
crashanddieI'm completely wasted00:20
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crashanddiejust spent the day moving all the crap in one room to remove the carpet and place new one, then move all the crap back into the room00:20
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Joonaserr, <Joonas> *Why* is there updates that needs PR1.2 in the repository?00:21
brikto taunt us was my guess00:22
MohammadAGso that when 1.2 is released they don't have to rebuild apps00:22
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lcukJoonas, because the repository is setup as pr1.2 now and the update to devices is not quite in sync yet00:23
wall[e]can't wait for tomorrow00:24
wall[e]last night I thought like that.00:24
Joonasok, thanks00:24
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lcukJoonas, for most packages now its not a problem because of a new toolkit on the servers, but for specific things like you have encountered its needed00:25
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javispedroJoonas: are you the maintainer of gtranslate?00:38
javispedrooh, ouch.00:38
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:38
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PhonicUKmy washing machine is taking off00:39
PhonicUKits trying to go to the moon00:39
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PhonicUKI wonder what the past tense of netsplit is...00:52
MohammadAGPhonicUK, remember the tail command you gave me?00:53
MohammadAGdoes it work with changing output? (like wget)00:53
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MohammadAGit's not working with arecord00:54
PhonicUKwget behaves differently when its being pipes00:54
MohammadAGarecord is the same btw (in terms of output)00:54
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PhonicUKwhat is the device node for the audio output device?00:55
PhonicUKis what it normally is00:55
SpeedEvil1PhonicUK: pulseaudio00:56
cowbotGet:28 fremantle/non-free Sources [11.2kB]00:56
cowbotalways hangs updating scratchbox00:56
PhonicUKspeedevil, but what is the dev node?00:56
SpeedEvil1PhonicUK: you can also use alsa - however, that confuses stuff as it expects pulse00:56
SpeedEvil1you have to use alsa00:56
SpeedEvil1I forget the card numbers00:56
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PhonicUKah well00:56
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cowbotwhat is PhonicUK trying to do01:09
PhonicUKbe silly :P01:09
PhonicUKarecord > /dev/dsp :P01:09
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cowbotwe don't have oss01:10
cowbotyou can echo microphone to audio output if you want to make an echobox01:11
javispedrouse pulse.01:11
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javispedroparec -r | parec -p01:21
javispedroparec | pacat01:21
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pupnikthere's a million ways to be01:36
pupnikyou know that there are...01:36
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markinfohi. I can connect from my nokia n810 to nokia n97 over Bluetooth and surf on the internet. And now I would like to do that also from my laptop wher is installed debian-squeeze. How?01:55
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ShadowJKNetworkManager doesn't do it?01:57
markinfoSerial port ist not able to connect - even it is n the profile of nokia n97. Only "Dial up networking" but it ries something and says "Connection Failed: Modem Manager did not support the connection"01:57
markinfoShadowJK, I am Using XFCE with Blueman.01:57
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ShadowJKDial Up Networking is the correct port to use01:57
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markinfoBut - dial up networking?  I would expect some settings.01:58
markinfoor do I miss something in debian ?01:58
ShadowJKhm, dunno01:59
ShadowJKYeah I would also expect some settings02:00
markinfobecause n810 work wit "Connection type: Packet data" and Accespoint  and Dial Up number.02:00
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markinfousername and password is empty02:00
markinfohow it is made in OS2008?02:00
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ShadowJKWell OS2008 uses icd2 and other Nokia software..02:01
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markinfoShadowJK, some non-free software?02:02
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ShadowJKGoogling 'modemmanager N97' actually brings up a few hits to various distro bugzillas02:05
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markinfoShadowJK, hm - interesting - there ist package "Modemmanager" package installable.02:10
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c|onemanwhat language are native maemo apps written in?02:32
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MohammadAGC afaik02:34
MohammadAGGTK as a UI02:34
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MohammadAGumm, is there a sleep function for microseconds?02:43
MohammadAGusleep doesn't seem to be installed02:43
SpeedEvilyou're including the right include?02:45
SpeedEvilunistd.h IIRC?02:45
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, including? isn't it a binary?02:45
c|onemanMohammadAG: what about firefox extensions and fennec extensions?02:46
SpeedEvilumm - what are you doing?02:46
MohammadAGerr, just delaying a command in a shell script02:46
Gizmokid2005*sigh* another app unable to update on PR1.1.1...02:46
SpeedEviloh - right02:46
MohammadAGapparently sleep 0.1 doesn't work02:46
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: busybox sleep fails in so many ways02:46
MohammadAGc|oneman, no idea, ask timeless02:46
MohammadAGis it only sleep that fails in busybox? :)02:47
c|onemanI'm trying to figure out which langs I should learn  for mobile development02:47
SpeedEvilclo: c, c++, python?02:48
* MohammadAG would go for Python, it's easiest, but C/C++ are more powerful02:48
MohammadAGcoreutils-gnu doesn't seem to have sleep, bah02:49
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MohammadAGoh nvm, it does02:50
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acidjazzpython > *02:56
acidjazzhow are they more powreful02:56
SpeedEvilacidjazz: Python can be for some applications very slow.02:56
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DocScrutinizer~nuke busybox03:04
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at busybox ... B☢☢M!03:04
c|oneman"the silo doors are closed! this is suicide!"03:07
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kthomas_vhtrying to complile (configure) syncevolution03:26
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kthomas_vhconfigure keeps telling me I don't have libcurl although I've installed all versions03:26
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kthomas_vh^^ m4/n81003:29
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Funnyfacemobmy tracker-indexer is stuck at 100% CPU load, is that normal?04:07
Funnyfacemobaah seems like it is done now04:07
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Funnyfacemobnever did that before, I guess it is because I transferred my music collection over here some days ago04:08
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DocScrutinizer~nuke tracker04:16
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker ... B☢☢M!04:16
DocScrutinizer~spank $inventor04:16
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* infobot bends $inventor over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on $inventor's pasty white buttocks.04:16
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MohammadAGNight #maemo04:58
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Termanagood morning05:10
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kduboisthe media player for my maemo phone doesnt play mp3's, any ideas?05:23
cure`always or just now? i had sometimes, a reboot would suffice05:24
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SpeedEvilsometimes the media codec thingy can crash05:26
kduboiswell, i just got it today, so i don't have a lot of backwards reference :P05:27
kduboisi'll try a reboot05:27
kduboishopefully this fixes the video problem too05:28
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SpeedEvilplaying odd codecs can sometimes do that05:29
kduboisyeah, i was doing some tinkering with ffmpeg to put some videos on there05:30
kduboisyeah, thats what did it, one particular video encoding does it in05:31
DocScrutinizerso the DSP crashed, and probably you'll need a boot05:31
DocScrutinizerknown bug05:31
DocScrutinizer(the DSP part is my guess though)05:32
kduboisyeah... its h264/aac though05:32
kduboisi thought that was supported05:32
DocScrutinizerit should afaik. Maybe the source has a poisoned bitsequence05:32
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kduboisyeah, just gotta find the magic combo to get video to work :P05:33
DocScrutinizererr, click on it in mediaplayer?05:33
kduboisno, to get the video in the right format05:34
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kduboismpeg4/mp3 seems to work better05:42
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cure`i tend to use mplayer with sib for video and the default media player for mp3's05:48
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njsf_cure`: I want to use panucci because of the auto bookmark, but I think it is a little more resource intensive than the stock media player05:50
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ShadowJKkdubois, h264/mp3 works too if you tell ffmpeg to tell x264 to use the baseline profile06:15
ShadowJKand resolution less than 800x48006:15
* ShadowJK just kills mafw-gst-render (or something like that) when dsp crashes.. it seems to autospawn and fix whatever was wrong06:16
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kduboisi think its B-frames in the x264 codec that crashes it [[maybe]]06:35
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kduboiserr, h.264 :P06:42
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TTilusi need guidance on usb tethering with n900 + debian lenny07:05
Stskeepson ubuntu it's pretty much plug and play if you select pc suite mode07:05
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TTilusoh, sounds almost too good :)07:06
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TTiluswho'd kick TempNick?07:08
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* slonopotamus just finished reading through n8x0 mbx thread. so... sounds like a community fail. we asked for drivers, we got them (though in bad shape) and... nothing happenned after that.07:15
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: well, not entirely, but close07:20
Stskeepsslonopotamus: we got the drivers, they weren't actually tested on N8x0 nor did TI have any N8x0s. javispedro, me and a small band of hackers get them to a runnable state07:20
Stskeepsbut not perfect, waiting for people with more skill07:21
slonopotamusStskeeps: no fixes for alloc failures/memory leaks?07:21
* slonopotamus doesn't have relevant skills :)07:22
Stskeepsslonopotamus: alloc failures are mostly a problem of the kernel they're in, i think07:22
Stskeepswell, you're more than welcome to play around them07:22
slonopotamusStskeeps: btw. from what i see, some have 2.6.33 running on n8x0?07:22
Stskeepswell, n810 to be specific07:23
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slonopotamusno charging, wifi and other funky stuff?07:24
slonopotamusand clock, i suppose07:24
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Stskeepswhy no clock?07:26
slonopotamusdunno, just a guess. it didn't work in 2.6.27 times07:27
Stskeepswell, that's retutime anyway :P07:27
slonopotamusand no touchscreen?07:28
Stskeepstsc2005 right?07:28
Stskeepskernel driver was upgraded as part of n900 patches07:29
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slonopotamusStskeeps: do you know by chance, what makes screen dim on n8x0?07:34
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Termanaslonopotamus, touchscreen works fine in my kernel. As well as bluetooth and apparently with a few adjustments wifi. But there is no charging, and power management doesn't work that great. Clock works fine (?)07:35
TermanaWell actually thats a lie, it charges, BME obviously recognises it and works and it shows its charging. But I wouldn't trust it07:36
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opdf2anyone using pbxes on n900?08:27
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pupnikpublix branch exchanges08:29
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Batosay hello08:41
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yanuopdf2: i'm using plugpbx08:46
opdf2i was talking about the sip client connected to pbxes.org08:46
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misc--hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to somehow dial a number that contains a hash at the start, for example ##002#  ?08:50
microlithPR1.2 or you can grab the ussd-widget from extras-devel08:51
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misc--ok I did, put the widget on the desktop and it says "Click to update", which I did but then returns just "Error"08:53
misc--I see, click on the settings in it08:53
opdf2man i wanna use ovi voice, but too bad we dont even have a proper ovi maps =(08:55
wall[e]someone tell me to stop mypainting pls08:56
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Khertan_n900Hi !09:00
Khertan_n900Someone know a way to calibrate accelerometers ?09:01
Khertan_n900my 900 think is always hold on portrait orientation09:01
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meceCheers Khertan. I saw a thread on tmo about that...09:07
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RST38bisThe bill would allow a church to hire a security force or create its own by authorizing the church's board or pastor to tap parishioners who have concealed weapons permits to bring them to church.09:25
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D-IivilX-Fade: ping?09:26
RST38bisAnd good moorning to you all!09:26
D-IivilOh, good morning also to everyone :)09:26
D-IivilUh.. lack of coffee and no one in the office has made some :(09:28
D-IivilMaybe I should sacrifice myself and do the dirty job...09:28
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D-IivilDamn extras-testing is lagging again.. I promoted package there at 3.5.2010 and it still doesn't appear on extras-testing :/09:29
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mecehmm tmo is still flaky :/09:35
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mecewell it's flaky in a it's slow and times out 50% of the times. I was not referring to the users this time ;)09:38
meces/in a/in a way/09:38
infobotmece meant: well it's flaky in a way it's slow and times out 50% of the times. I was not referring to the users this time ;)09:39
meces/in a way/in a way that/09:39
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cowbotmece .. any qt programs you can point to that do it well on n900?09:45
mececowbot, hm.. well that weather thingamagig works pretty well.09:45
mecewhat was it called again..09:46
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meceQt Weather perhaps?09:46
cowbotqtmobiledemo-weather - Qt Mobile Demo: Weather09:47
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mececowbot, I think there's one that's not called "demo" too.09:50
meceor I know actually :)09:50
meceoh yeah.. Tweego is pretty sweet too.09:50
cowbotty.  i wanted something that showd me how to do sound as well - trying "blubbels"09:51
mecehaven't used any qt apps with sound..09:52
mecewait that's a lie. qtify has sound..09:52
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mecebut it doesn't use qt for sound09:52
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cowbot"the moment you cannot put yourself through hell any more, or you don't feel like it any more, that's probably the time to call it a day."09:58
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kthomas_vh^ reminds me of a particular company I worked at10:07
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pupnikit is about work10:08
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frals~nuke talk.maemo.org10:13
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ... B☢☢M!10:13
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TermanaTheres a topic on tmo titled "10 ways to improve your N900 FAST"10:17
Termananow it just needs "for a low low payment of 9.95!"10:18
Stskeeps"10 ways to kick your TMO habit"10:18
cowbotread the emulator threads10:19
cowbotthat'll do it10:19
JaffaMorning, all10:19
Termanagood morning Jaffa10:19
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cowbotnot a lot of IRC users in asia, apparently10:21
fralshmm hmm10:21
mececraaaap. Forgot to turn on my desktop, so now I'm compiling on my old laptop-turned-server and its fn SLOW!10:21
fralsnow that fmms seems stable, i wonder what i should do with my time10:21
mecefrals, you should go to disneyland10:22
fralsmece: you take care of the bill? ;)10:22
Stskeepsfrals: meego, obviously ;)10:22
mecefrals, well perhaps gröna lund :P10:22
Sceltfrals: integrate it to conversations10:22
mecefrals, yeah. mms to conversations.10:23
fralsScelt; mece: WONTFIX :p10:23
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mecehey speaking of conversations. Is it possiblt that my conv logs are so big that it makes my n900 slow?10:23
X-Fadefrals: NOOooooo not you too ;)10:23
fralsStskeeps: yeah, but what exactly? ;)10:23
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Sceltfrals: well. you swedes skipped the world wars so why would you battle against the bad code?10:24
Termanafrals, mms support in MeeGo? :P10:24
cowbotfrals: synergy, milkytracker, chibitracker, gqview, tome, ...10:24
Stskeepsfrals: dunno, i vote for bartender10:24
fralsScelt: we PROFITED fromt he world wars... ;-)10:25
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Sceltmece: seems to slow down loading a specific big conversation at least10:25
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Sceltfrals: I've seen the movies10:26
fralsScelt: afaik it only loads x messages, so it shouldnt, unless you start scrolling10:26
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mecewtf. I'm compiling this game and I'm getting tons of "warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type"10:26
Sceltfrals: it does and not scrolling. you can type immediately but it takes few secs to load history10:26
mececan this be caused by some differences between versions?10:27
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meceScelt, I meant that my whole device gets slow.10:27
Sceltmece: that's why I said "at least"10:27
meceScelt, righty. and there's nothing hogging the cpu. I'm thinking browser is being a dick.10:28
mecebrowserd that is.10:28
fralsStskeeps: barkeeper i can do ;D10:28
infobotfrals meant: Stskeeps: bartender i can do ;D10:28
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alteregoWWhat a disgrace, both my ADSL connections are down at work, so I'm having to use my phoneon a 2.5G connection to get the internet :(10:29
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fralsScelt: :D10:31
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Sceltfrals: you have halfly finnish surname. carry it with honor ;D10:32
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fralsdownside with getting up around 08 when you have nothing to do all day is... you have nothing to do :D10:33
fralsno point even spamming for testers of fmms as i have 12/10 thumbs up10:33
fralsand if i add a new feature im just gonna hit promote again, and have to wait 10 new days :P10:33
mecefrals, ok.. well then you can tell me why my QPlainTextEdit doesn't fingerscroll by default10:34
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fralsmece: because GTK is king!10:34
alterego2010-04-30 - Quim Gil: wait just few weeks for the first stable MeeGo release.10:34
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alteregoThe road map clearly said mid april though :P10:34
mecefrals, yeah. But I wanted to make something qt10:34
alteregomece: which Qt version?10:35
mecefrals, because it would not make sense to name my app qlister if it was gtk now would it.10:35
alteregomece: and I think you need to use the flickable widget, or something :P10:35
mecealterego, community 4.6.2 through pyside2.310:35
fralsmece: i have no clue about Qt, im meaning to get started but i need to find something fun to do while learning :)10:35
fralsmece: q/g almost looks the same anyway... ;)10:35
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Wolfiefrals: you could fix the memory management for me in a java project of mine :)10:35
mecefrals, yep. I'm aiming for the future :)10:36
alteregoThere's a scroll area that enables kinetic scrolling, and I think you have to stuff your widget in that.10:36
fralsWolfie: bah, in java i let java handle memory management ;)10:36
mecealterego, but that fucker inherits QAbstractScrollArea, so it should work out of the box imo.10:36
Wolfiefrals: that's the problem. Java either holds too tightly to my objects, or weak/soft references work too erratically :/10:37
alteregoYou think an abstract scroll area has kinetics? :P10:37
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alteregomece: hang on, I'll have a little look.10:37
Sceltfrals: btw reply via sms is great! big thanks10:37
Wolfiefrals: seriously thought, gratz on fmms 1.010:37
mecealterego, well QListWidget scrolls kinetically automagically, and it inhertis the same stuff10:37
fralsWolfie: ty :)10:37
infobotWolfie meant: frals: seriously though, gratz on fmms 1.010:37
alteregomece: have you looked at the hints?10:38
fralsScelt: yeah, ive been meaning to do it since the start but only recently learnt how to do it :)10:38
mecealterego, no I haven't really attacked the issue yet.10:38
Wolfiefrals: oh, oh! you could help me guess when an outputstream is not going to be written to, without getting .close() or .flush() called :D10:38
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mecealterego, I just assumed it would work like QListWidget, but it didn't.10:38
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alteregomece: yeah, everything should be kinetic :)10:39
alteregoin an ideal world.10:39
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fralsWolfie: hehe, cant remember how oos works but i always flush'd when i wanted stuff written to it :p10:39
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fralsWolfie: otoh the javadocs should say that as they generally are excellent10:40
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mecefrals, how does fmms recieve mms'?10:40
Wolfiefrals: yeah, you'd guess that's how it's used. But not in my case ;) makes content manipulation a bit of a hassle10:40
Wolfie(i'm simply wrapping the OS, trying to mangle the incoming data into my liking)10:41
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fralsmece: uh, its like magic! ;) it registers with wappushd to get the sms push, parses it and then goes to the content-location specified and fetches the message from there10:41
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Wolfiefrals: how about API design, would that be more to your liking, then?10:41
mecefrals, so it just works?10:41
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fralsmece: hopefully, yes... theres no guarantees with mms based on my experience :D10:42
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fralsWolfie: *shrug* ;)10:42
fralsi should probably finish the latest dan brown book while i still have some sparetime :)10:43
meceok fine, I'll install it. I tried a very early version ages ago, but couldn't get it to work then.10:43
mecefrals, dan brown? how non-cool of you!10:43
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Wolfiefrals: what? prefer your own agenda over some stranger proposing weird stuff for you to do? how unconventional10:43
fralsmece: let me know if you run in to any problems... the configuration isnt that obvious unless you are on pr1.2 (judging by whats in the sdk) and your operator settings are in the database on device ;-)10:44
fralsWolfie: :DD10:44
fralsoh god, websites who have animated favicons >_<10:45
mecegonna disable dev and testing to get the proper consumer experience :D10:45
fralsits in testing atm, so disable that and you wont find it.. which i guess is the consumer experience atm? ;)10:45
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meceI thought it went to extras10:46
fralsmece: nah, its stuck in quarantine for another 10 days10:46
fralsgah he9gshduio trying to find anything on tmo when ever other connection times out...10:47
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Stskeepshmm, does packages for armel get moved into extras-devel even if the i386 part fails?10:49
asjStskeeps: afaik, no10:50
meceStskeeps, wait a few minutes and find out.10:50
alteregovertsms is looking pretty sweet.10:50
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X-FadeStskeeps: Should not, unless there is a bug somewhere ;)10:50
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StskeepsX-Fade: alright10:51
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pupnikX-Fade: too bad all such links got broken 'recently' svn co mud-builder10:51
Stskeepsthe switch to vcs.maemo.org10:51
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pupnikStskeeps: i can has boot from microSD?10:53
Stskeepspupnik: possibly10:53
Stskeepsdepending on what you want to boot10:53
X-FadeHmm new version of ppinputmethod, but still no source.10:54
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timeless_mbpTrizt: eww10:57
timeless_mbpi''m trying to get these two to cooperate10:57
timeless_mbpbut my 0.1-8 package wasn't proper10:58
timeless_mbpi just pushed a new 0.1-7 which should enable me to use 0.1-8 on my 1.2 devices10:58
timeless_mbpideally the pair of 0.1-7 and 0.1-8 should work "properly" on 1.1.1 now10:59
timeless_mbp(if you're using .1)10:59
timeless_mbpTrizt: if it's really giving you the 1.2 strings instead of the 1.1.1 strings, then i'm going to need to know why10:59
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alteregoSo, madde can deploy to a scratchbox target?11:05
alteregoThis might take a bit of tweaking t oget right mind.11:05
pupnikn900 UK version available for 47011:05
alteregopupnik: where?! :)11:06
alteregoThink that's the cheapest it's been.11:06
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alteregoStill, 400 quid is quite expensive.11:06
pupnik8 dinners in finland11:07
Stskeepspupnik: you got hired by a finnish company or why are you suddenly in .fi btw? :P11:07
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pupnikvisiting someone who happens to work at noki11:08
fralsStskeeps: i was going to suggest he likes it there, but then i realised how stupid that sounds :D11:08
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pupnikit is a pretty pretty country.  lakes, pine trees clinging to boulders.11:09
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Stskeepsyou obviously skipped winter11:09
fralsspring and summer isnt bad when the weather is good11:09
pupnikwinter is for spending on computer anyway11:09
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Gillywinter isn't that bad either, except in the south where there is no snow (snow brightens it up)11:10
Gillylate autumn is the worst in my opinion :)11:11
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blub_hi all. Can anyone tell me where I can find the console in scratchbox UI?11:13
MohammadAGnice, i killed terminal11:13
d14o/ :)11:14
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pupnikblub_: amusing question11:17
blub_pupnik: I don't think so11:17
ShapeshifterI just looked into /usr/lib, is it a bad idea to move locale out of there and onto the emmc and symlink it? It's 28mb!11:18
MohammadAGyes, a very bad idea11:18
pupniki usually delete locales i don't use11:18
MohammadAGmove the one from /usr/share11:18
blub_Well when I start the GUI in scratchbox I don't see any "Terminal" icon11:19
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: why? the one in /usr/share is only 13mb.11:19
MohammadAGI wouldn't move anything out of /usr/lib11:20
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MohammadAGlibraries aren't to be optified that way11:20
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, microb-engine is bigger in size, but moving it borks the browser11:20
MohammadAGdon't touch /usr/lib, it's highly compressed anyways11:21
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Shapeshiftermh. I'm trying to free up space on / but I can't find an effective method of finding offenders from extras-devel. I tried find /usr/* -mtime 20 to find things older then 20 days I might have installed but theres practically nothing.11:30
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MohammadAGcd /usr/share && du -h | grep M11:31
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alteregoI don't get it, is an ubiimg a fiasco image?11:33
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: thats just a lot of microb and maps stuff. the problem is I don't think I've got any huge things, but rather lots of small ones. how can I list package contents of packages? that way I could grep for /usr/ in its output11:34
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MohammadAGumm, nokia-maps is about 13MBs11:35
MohammadAGalterego, it's only a rootfs image, in a FIASCO with a weird extension11:36
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: 8.7 for me, yes.11:36
MohammadAGmove it then11:38
Shapeshiftermh. any idea why find /usr/* -mtime 50 -exec du -sh '{}' \; gives an 'unrecognized' error?11:38
alteregoMohammadAG: so if I wanted to flash it on my N900, I just use the same command as the normal firmware installation?11:38
alteregos/command/command line/11:38
infobotalterego meant: MohammadAG: so if I wanted to flash it on my N900, I just use the same command line as the normal firmware installation?11:38
MohammadAGalterego, yes, but it's on a bash shell11:38
MohammadAGdon't expect a UI11:39
alteregoI know :)11:39
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alteregoI'm not actually going to flash it, at least, not for the moment. I plan on using the qemu nand image first.11:41
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alteregoJust wanted to know for future prosperity.11:41
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mecehow large are the desktop icon pictures on n900?11:42
meceapparently bigger than 48x4811:42
frals64 afaik11:42
eli_So I just reversed engineered grooveshark problem is I don't have the coding skills to implement a qt JSON system11:42
meceok thanks11:42
eli_Im going to try to write a grooveshark app for the n90011:43
MohammadAGjust dump the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps and it gets resized ;)11:43
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pupnikanybody know a maemo package in extras* that does not use autotools and has a simple debian/rules?11:57
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MohammadAGpupnik, use dh_make to generate simple ones12:04
MohammadAG#maemo seems quiet today12:05
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pupnikhow aboot your quran app MohammadAG12:06
MohammadAGuse it12:06
yigalok I can be loquacious I'm a Jew by the way, but a quran app seems pretty cool12:06
MohammadAGthe debian/rules in it is very simple12:06
yigalvery few dependencies?12:07
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yigallol, cool12:08
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MohammadAGpython-hildon, -osso, etc12:08
yigalya, good for text searching?12:08
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yigal4 in a row GNOME games nothing like it12:10
amigadavepupnik: what are you building? i would be happy to autotoolize your project, if you like12:10
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pupnikamigadave: NOTED12:11
yigalpassing a turing test, better join #philosophy12:11
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Milo-still no free doc/excel/ppt readers for n900?12:14
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pupniki think abiword reads some .doc12:17
pupnikamigadave: dcc12:18
asjjust port openoffice ;)12:18
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N900evilopenoffice is installed on rhe easyy-debian chroot12:24
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StskeepsX-Fade: should have ended up in repos yet?12:29
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X-FadeStskeeps: I see only failed builds?12:30
Stskeepshmm?12:30 is fine12:30
Stskeepsbut i386 isn't12:30
X-FadeStskeeps: Yes, but everything has to be OK.12:30
Stskeepsah, fair enough - was what i asked before :)12:30
X-FadeAnd that is why I said that it won't be imported ;)12:31
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Khertan_Hi all !12:38
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SpeedEvilHi everyone except people whos nick md5sums to a sum ending in a 3.12:39
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DocScrutinizer51look at that  applauncher fsckd up12:41
Khertan_130d281677bae49f7e71f9c4995dab05 : oh ... so Hi SpeedEvil12:42
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Known bug. Fixed in PR1.2 ;)12:42
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X-FadePower button helped, I think.12:43
X-FadeOr locking the screen.12:44
SpeedEvilCan anyone recall if the omap5350 has a fast hashing unit of some form?12:44
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DocScrutinizer51powerbutton will help when held down 8sec :-P12:45
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Khertan_DocScrutinizer51: and not use it again12:46
SpeedEvil3530 even.12:46
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X-FadeSpeedEvil: sha1 or something like that?12:47
* DocScrutinizer51 waves12:47
SpeedEvilX-Fade: yes12:47
X-FadeI seem to recall reading something about that yes.12:48
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X-FadeSpeedEvil: drivers/crypto/omap-sha1-md5.c in kernel12:48
X-FadeSpeedEvil: At least there was a recent patch:
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SpeedEvilThanks - I think I must have missed that12:50
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X-FadeNot sure if it is in the kernel we are using, but I guess you can find that out ;)12:50
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DocScrutinizer51blarghh. powerbutton also completely useless12:52
DocScrutinizer51happy me has xterm12:52
Trewashrm, n900 has now crashed a couple of time after removing usb-cable (in mass-storage mode)... and crashed to the point that removing the battery is the only fix12:52
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DocScrutinizer51and shutdown -r now12:52
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Oli```Hi all. I fed my N900 too much extras-devel and now it won't boot (w00t! I'm an idiot!) What are my options for getting it up and running again? Is it just a full re-flash or can I go in like a ninja (somehow) and move a load of /usr/ off to opt and ln it back?12:57
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pupnikOli```: i don't know of any ninja solutions for non-booting n90012:57
Stskeepswell, depends on how hardcore you are with kernels and initrd12:57
Oli```I've been reading but I can't find where he gets his "proprietary" flasher-3.5 binary from12:59
* pupnik tries to run from Stskeeps but cannot see him12:59
viliny__Oli```: the maemo flasher? nokia website?12:59
viliny__is that of any help?13:00
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Oli```viliny__: yeah googled it and ended up here
viliny__ah i see13:00
Oli```awesome, a deb!13:00
Oli```less awesome - only i386... let's see what a bit of --force-architecture does13:01
* Oli``` bricks his PC13:01
viliny__NOW THOSE i know how to fix ;)13:01
Oli```awesome, that worked fine13:02
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SpeedEvilRe above crypto hash patch that x fade linked to - if anyone is mildly interested - it looks like it's very not in kernel at the moment - the patch state was - well - ripped to shreds  may be harsh - but it looks like it's not going in in that form.13:07
* Oli``` wishes his phone didn't smell of elderberries13:07
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SpeedEvilbetter than if it was a hampster.13:08
* DocScrutinizer bangs head against wall13:09
achipadid the package importer get unborked ?13:09
DocScrutinizerwaaaaahaaaahaaahaha FFS ½³←¼²½«đjŋ߶”¶½ ŧ½13:09
DocScrutinizerpowerbutton DEAD13:09
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* SpeedEvil notes 'Hello - I think you may be trying to bang your head on the keyboad. Do you need any help?'13:09
DocScrutinizernext repair13:09
SpeedEviloh dear.13:10
SpeedEvilWere you maybe pressing it a bit hard?13:10
DocScrutinizerthis time defionitely NOTHING wrong I've done13:10
viliny__how do you determine it to be dead?13:10
DocScrutinizerpress it, device doesn't come up??13:11
SpeedEvilviliny__: It's pining for the fjords.13:11
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: does it feel wierd?13:11
DocScrutinizeror doesn't shut down, or show no menu13:11
DocScrutinizerno, feels nice13:11
SpeedEvilbattery out, wait 5 min?13:11
viliny__SpeedEvil: going a bit python today eh?13:11
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SpeedEvilviliny__: There is not a day when I'm not.13:11
DocScrutinizerdone that, except the 5min part13:11
* SpeedEvil walks off. (in Ministry of Silly walks style 47)13:12
DocScrutinizerohh SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT13:12
viliny__enough of this gay banter13:12
DocScrutinizerwell I can live a few weeks without powerbutton, I guess13:12
viliny__how exactly can you live without powerbutton?13:12
SpeedEvilviliny__: device will turn itself on if charger is plugged in IIRC.13:13
SpeedEvilOh - actually - yes it will - but only to first stage13:13
SpeedEvilI don't think it will actually boot into the OS that way13:13
Stskeepsr&d flags, force-power-key13:14
SpeedEvilI suppose in principle you could flash a new kernel/userspace that would13:14
Oli```yey phone boots!13:14
SpeedEvilor that13:14
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: my hero13:14
viliny__what does that do Stskeeps ?13:14
DocScrutinizeryou think the 5 min are over?13:15
Stskeepsviliny__: forces all boots to be like power button was held down13:15
viliny__Stskeeps: ah i see, my first guess was mapping power to another button :)13:16
DocScrutinizerohhhhh :-(((13:16
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viliny__it's been exactly 5 minutes according to my timestamps13:17
viliny__i was going to say that you should press the powerbutton while the battery is off to discharge the phone but that would have been cruel.13:18
viliny__And im not even sure if that works :)13:18
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DocScrutinizerog freggles. maybe it's a bad switch. It came up with much with flashy yellow charger led finally. Seems I had to press the button one side only13:19
pupnikok... we have perl on tablets.  so...
DocScrutinizers/much with/much short white/13:20
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: og freggles. maybe it's a bad switch. It came up with much short white flashy yellow charger led finally. Seems I had to press the button one side only13:20
DocScrutinizerOr maybe the rain?13:20
Treibholzhmm, is there something similar to shazam on the iPhone?13:22
DocScrutinizerdefinitely a wanky contact in or on switch13:23
Shapeshifterpupnik: do you know if the Term::Animation module is packaged for maemo5?13:24
DocScrutinizerhooray, repair shop again13:25
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: :/13:25
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DocScrutinizerthe bastards killed the switch while replacing the cable, it seems13:26
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pupnikShapeshifter: i figured it isn't worth putting in my queue.  But an ascii aquarium does rule.13:27
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SpeedEvilRe above hash - it looks like it got pushed upstream for kernel acceptance 'soon' - after serious editing13:28
Shapeshifterpupnik: mh. seems like not even ncurses for perl is packaged13:30
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DocScrutinizergood, repair shop has enough competence in house to replace the switch, rather than send the whole device to nokia for weeks another time13:33
* RST38h moos moodily13:33
DocScrutinizerthey better had, otherwise I'd ask Nokia to take over their local business here13:33
DocScrutinizerhi RST38h13:33
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DocScrutinizerI definitely should try to get a development device13:35
RST38hHELO Doc13:36
RST38htmo is dead again?13:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: ask if they have any brokenish motherboards to play with13:36
Khertan_RST38h: not for me13:36
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: do you know if the developers lend out devices are preproduction or hw is identical to the MP version?13:37
pupnikboycott fuckin tmo unless we can ignore users13:37
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: whom? repair shop?13:37
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: I think it was the first production run, but I don't know for sure.13:37
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achipaX-Fade: sorry to bother, but is the package importer stuck ? abiword still hasn't shown up :)13:38
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: but USB andbatcharger circuitry isn't fundamentally different on those?13:38
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achipaDocScrutinizer: it's production, but production itself has changed a few revisions since then :)13:39
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Jaffapupnik: You mean users in general? You can ignore specific user accounts.13:40
* Jaffa is coming round to the "more harsh moderation"13:40
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: probably you can't help on that topic, but maybe you know somebody you could ask. See, if I try to put hostmode to work, and face issues during that due to hw is different to what the masses buy at local store, the whole enterprise is rather silly13:40
SpeedEvilEspecially if working with others with MP hw13:41
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No idea, sorry. Ask on the list?13:41
lcukJaffa, public flogging?13:41
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X-Fadeachipa: This one?
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: yes. Thanks for pointing me at it. Seems I need a coffee13:41
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DocScrutinizeras it should've been obvious to me13:42
achipaX-Fade: yep. It's there on the interface, but no sign of it when I do apt-cache policy after an update13:42
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X-Fadeachipa: I can download it here:
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achipaX-Fade: in fact... I see a 2.8.1-2, which is supposed to be 'cleaned by repository management'. hm13:43
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pupnikJaffa: ?  this is a new feature?  I'd /ignore whole swaths of folks.  Because i don't want to be forced to insult people online.13:44
pupniki might even post something useful again13:45
achipaX-Fade: SNAFU. I'm correct, I just zgrepped packages gz from extras-devel, that package is NOT there. The cleaned up one, however, IS13:45
achipaX-Fade: akamai magic ?13:46
X-Fadeachipa: They are both there in the repo.13:46
X-FadeBut not in the Packages file.13:46
X-FadeLet me check what happened there. My guess is that your SNAFU with the date has something to do with it.13:47
achipaexactly. That's what I'm saying :)13:47
* achipa knew it it's going to be his fault XD13:47
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achipathough it IS the date, I'd say we need a check for it... /me ducks and heads for cover13:48
X-Fadeachipa: I wonder why apt-ftparchive doesn't add the package to Packages.13:49
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Dima_SharihinX-Fade, it doesn't add the package in the /var/apt/archives?13:50
jacekowskii need help13:50
X-FadeDima_Sharihin: huh?13:50
Dima_SharihinX-Fade, or what is "Packages"?13:50
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jacekowskii'm in the shop looking at earphones13:51
DocScrutinizeranybody toss me a URL or unique search key term for google, to find the devel device lendout program page (on
jacekowskiand they hava skullcandy earphones with 4 pin plug13:51
jacekowskiare these compatible with N90013:52
Dima_Sharihinjacekowski, try to plug and test =)13:52
DocScrutinizerlol, yeah13:52
asjjacekowski: if they are ipod compatible then I beleive the answer is no13:52
jacekowskii would have to buy it13:52
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DocScrutinizerasj: huh? why?13:52
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asjDocScrutinizer: I've heard nokia and apple has wired the 4th connection differently13:53
asjDocScrutinizer: never verified it13:53
Dima_Sharihinjacekowski, you can buy 4pin-3pin adapter for nokia mobiles13:53
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: try with any arbitrary MP3 player13:53
Dima_Sharihinasj, I think, that 4pin connection isn't standart =)13:54
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: the pinout is in such a way so it is compatible with standard headphones (without mic)13:54
Dima_SharihinDocScrutinizer, and with mic?? =)13:54
X-Fadeachipa: I'd suggest to increase the version number and not to mess up again :)13:54
DocScrutinizerDima_Sharihin: please try to ask more precise questions.13:54
X-Fadeachipa: I think the order of the changelog you see on the packages page is also the order packages get imported.13:55
achipaX-Fade: :D okay13:55
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so the 4pin pinout is as standard as it gets13:55
jacekowskididn't worked13:55
X-Fadeachipa: by the debian tools.13:55
pupniki really would love to make a little app to record a few tracks of audio - to jot-down song ideas13:55
asjthere's your answers13:55
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Dima_SharihinIf the headphone jack coincides with the 3-pin as the microphone can vary contact? (sorry, google translate)13:56
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fralshow does this whole MWKN on twitter work, can i just tweet "@mwkn Apps fMMS is awesome"?13:57
jacekowskiipod headphones get detected as tvout cable13:57
* frals looks over in Jaffas general direction13:57
SpeedEvilfrals: Put that in the next fmms as a button13:57
DocScrutinizerasj: actually the best answer is there:
achipaX-Fade: you know what's super funny ? abiword_2.8.1-2_armel.deb  and abiword_2.8.1-2maemo2_i386.deb13:57
achipaX-Fade: note how the versions are cross-linked with the arch13:58
X-Fadeachipa: I know why that is, but don't feel like explaining ;)13:59
asjDocScrutinizer: not really :|13:59
fralsachipa: im very impressed with how you seem to have broken completly, kudos!13:59
achipaX-Fade: heh :D ok13:59
Dima_Sharihinachipa, is there Gnumeric Spreadsheet ported on maemo?13:59
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achipaDima_Sharihin: no idea13:59
fralss/broken/broken stuff/13:59
infobotfrals meant: achipa: im very impressed with how you seem to have broken stuff completly, kudos!13:59
X-Fadeachipa: Next time don't mix .dsc files, mess up changelog etc ;)13:59
achipafrals: what can I say, I'm a natural :)13:59
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: N900 detects standard headsets with 3pin connector as such, afaik. That means the pinout for a headset is compatble with the pinout for a 3pin standard headphones, except the lowest additional ring is MIC/TV-CVBS-out14:00
achipaX-Fade: pffft, but where's the fun then ? XD14:00
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: like <L|R|M|gnd***********14:00
Dima_SharihinDocScrutinizer, <- really?14:00
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Dima_Sharihinoh, sorry. This was 2.5mm connector14:01
DocScrutinizerDima_Sharihin: I won't go check arbitrary random websites for you14:01
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: while <L|R|-gnd-*********** is a standard 3.5mm headset plug14:03
DocScrutinizererr headphones14:03
DocScrutinizerit's just missing the 3rd ring, next to base/sleeve/ground14:03
achipaJaffa: hey, didn't know you were against karma lately ?14:05
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lcuklardman, \@14:17
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alteregowtf is this kernel image so fucking big ..14:20
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meceit's not the size that matters, it's how you use it!14:21
Jaffaachipa: I'm not against karma. Why does everyone keep saying that? (Just got an email suggesting I was)14:22
achipaJaffa: that's what I was referring to :)14:22
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Jaffaachipa: I'm just trying to be impartial in the discussion about MeeGo karma (my requirement is that people I think should be recognised get recognised ;-))14:23
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: check!14:23
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: yeah I've seen it, been around for a while. good stuff.14:29
meceyeah Jaffa, quit being against Karma!14:29
* mece is joking.14:29
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achipaJaffa: I have the feeling the baby is going to be thrown out with the bathwater here. I don't care what people want to call it, top list, karma, whatever, but agree that the goal is to make it point out relevant people without getting a buddy-o-cracy or pop-contests14:30
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: there's incorrect statements about alarmed in there14:30
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: yeah. I'm correcting it right now14:31
DocScrutinizergood :-)14:31
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I don't get the part about "not able to set any time"14:31
DocScrutinizerme neither14:31
ShapeshifterI'll just remove it...14:31
DocScrutinizerthat's why I put it in italic14:31
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DocScrutinizeralso it's not quite clear if fcron actually boots the device, via RTC alarm14:32
DocScrutinizerwhich clearly is a big advantage of alarmed14:32
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DocScrutinizerwell, just meant to make sure you're aware of it14:33
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I never tested if alarmed events do boot the n900, though I strongly suspect it does. Also, I think you can't even turn it off atm. I looked into in once, and iirc the pymaemo bindings are missing the bit to disable the auto-boot thing and bahaviour on missing an event.14:33
Shapeshifterimo an advantage of alarmed is that it uses alrmd as the daemon and doesn't need another daemon running..14:34
ShapeshifterI think I need to write a wiki page for Alarmed some day.14:34
DocScrutinizerexactly. and that's why I doubt fcron actually does boot14:34
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest a merge, but... up to you devels14:35
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DocScrutinizer(merge) i.e fcron adopts your alarmd managing, and your alarmed uses fcron instead of alarmd directly14:36
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I think fcron is an okay alternative to alarmed for people who don't want the python/pyside dependencies (atm even libboost but not for long) and don't need such a rich feature set.14:37
Shapeshifterchoice is good ;)14:37
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th3hateCan anyone confirm whats writen here?14:45
TomaszDas with any software release though, I'll believe it when I see it14:46
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th3hatejust wondering if he's a real nokia dev14:47
TomaszDI'm going to go out on a limb and say hell no14:47
TomaszDbut we'll see14:47
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Khertan_oh t.m.o update ?14:50
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timelessme sighs14:50
* timeless took another excursion yo yhe nokia store14:51
* timeless sighs14:51
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timelessone of the notebooks was in "flight" mode14:52
timelessand none of the staff new how to get it out14:52
tekojotimeless: did you?14:53
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lcuktimeless, they have nokia stores on airplanes now? :D14:53
timelessbut i'm not paid to know :)14:55
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timelessdo you know how useful the nokia laptops are at the store w/o wifi/bt?14:55
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timelesseveryone i saw trying to use it tried to use IE14:55
timelesswhich didn't work...14:56
* timeless was trying to use BT14:56
NitialI'm jealous that t.m.o gets more software updates than my n90014:57
timelesshrm, clearly touch typing w/ the n900 isn'y error free14:57
* timeless keeps missing the 't' key14:57
Termanatimeless, purpose misspelling there? (on isn't)14:57
timelessmerily coincident14:58
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NetrumHi all. whats new in the maemo universe today? :)15:01
ShapeshifterNetrum: maemo is now called meamo15:02
Netrumimagine if they actually did that :P15:02
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Shapeshifternobody would notice15:04
Netrumyea probably :)15:04
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Netrumanyone here had any success running joikuspot on the n900 ? stability and such15:05
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Jaffaachipa: Good point - I'd thought about that "positions" comment but didn't want to appear to strengthen whatever position I'm supposed to have.15:08
Stskeepswell, project wise it will be easy to see who's in what teams and such at least15:08
Stskeepsas it's a meritocracy15:08
Stskeeps(ie, in a meego context)15:08
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cehtehmaego :)15:09
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JaffaStskeeps: I bet the vast majority of the community won't be in any specific "team"15:09
* Jaffa should've brought this up on #meego15:09
* Jaffa does so :)15:10
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* achipa thanks and braces for impact/fallout :)15:11
Dima202netrum, I am running mobile hotspot with great success15:11
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MohammadAG_~seen noobmonk3y15:16
infobotnoobmonk3y <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 7m 48s ago, saying: 'not allways a bad thing :P'.15:16
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BCMM_can i get a C compiler on my n900?15:18
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lcukadd sdk/tools repositories and install build-essential to get your compiler goodness15:19
lcukincludes support for make too :)15:19
GillyOn a related note, is there haskell compiler for n900? :P15:20
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adeusI thik so15:21
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BCMM_is there a list of official catalogues?15:23
BCMM_and how does one add sdk/tools?15:23
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Gillyadeus: hmm, ported ghc or something else?15:25
crashanddieBCMM_: don't add sdk/tools to your n90015:25
crashanddieBCMM_: sdk/tools should only be used inside the scratchbox environment15:26
Dima202Hey I just read a threat about some guy qole reporting from an imaginary inside soruce flash 10 will not be coming to n90015:26
crashanddielcuk: we really should package build-essential into extras15:26
crashanddieDima202: qole is usually quite accurate15:26
lcuknahh but it needs to be optified15:26
lcukand find a decent mechanism to allow dpkg-buildpackage too ;)15:27
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JaffaDima202: How do you know the source is imaginary? And qole's not just "some guy", y'know :-)15:27
Dima202crashanddie, but i've seen flash 10 work on fremantle it was demoed not too long ago15:27
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TermanaDEMOed doesn't mean it will be RELEASED15:28
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Dima202fucking nokia, bunch of wankers15:28
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TermanaDima202, I'15:29
TermanaI'll be sure to pass on the message15:29
TermanaNow, GTFO :)15:29
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viliny__why wouldn't flash 10 come to the n900 anyway?15:30
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viliny__is there any reason why it wouldn't?15:31
lcukDima202, theres no need to be so abusive15:31
crashanddieDima202: Nokia has most likely not much to do with Flash 10 not coming to it15:31
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Dima202I see Adobe did their part just fine from the demonstration. I'm guessing Nokia thinks it might hurt profits for the latest and greatest future release15:32
DocScrutinizer(([2010-05-06 12:33:07] <DocScrutinizer> good, repair shop has enough competence in house to replace the switch, rather than send the whole device to nokia for weeks another time)) Muhahaha, as the device was sent in to Nokia last time (3weeks ago), they can't fix it themselves, they need to send in again, as Nokia has to fix their fix - OMG15:32
crashanddieDima202: my intuition would be that Adobe scrapped the ARM development team for a while because of the iPhone news, which also included the n900 devs15:33
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DocScrutinizerfsckng buerocrat idiots15:34
crashanddieDima202: I don't see in what deranged world you live to think that Flash 10 could hurt their sales performances in a significant way, quite the contrary even15:34
JaffaDima202: As crashanddie says, it's difficult to imagine why Nokia wouldn't want to be getting the press that Android is getting.15:35
DocScrutinizeralternatively I can pay for the repair myself, a minimum of 70EUR, *to resolder a pad!!*15:35
Dima202Android is coming out with 9 or 10?15:35
JaffaDima202: There's a long way from a tech demo on an N900 to a supportable release. And, as I heard it, Adobe are concentrating on the Android release first.15:35
* satmd does not want flash15:37
satmdI love n900 for allowing me to disable it15:37
aquatixDima202: 1015:37
Dima202I guess I over reacted, sorry15:37
shamusflash is over rated15:37
DocScrutinizeror I resolder myself and void my waranty15:37
satmdflash is a risk to privacy15:37
aquatixshamus: absolutely overrated15:37
satmdand to security too15:38
aquatixtoo bad there's still too much out there using it15:38
Termanasatmd, Steve Jobs - I didn't notice you there!15:38
shamusand flash kills batteries faster then you can say feed me in hungry15:38
satmdthen again, java is too15:38
lcuki am in 2 minds about flash15:38
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aquatixlcuk: me too15:38
lcukon the one hand, it lets me see playboy yoga15:38
satmdif I were steve, I'd hate my own company - that'd be awkward15:38
aquatixjust had the discussion at work :)15:39
lcukon the other theres multiple flash advertisements on the same page slowing the experience15:39
crashanddiesatmd: I agree with you about flash, also agree with the fact java isn't necessarily the best for mobile devices15:39
lcukso i want default click to view15:39
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DocScrutinizerslowing is a polite word15:39
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crashanddielcuk: flashblock has made my life on laptop so much more enjoyable15:39
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lcukbah - as a flashblock guy myself (first OSS project i helped out with)15:40
lcuki know its limitations15:40
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Dima202hmm, what about adblock?15:40
lcukand think that parsing the DOM to disable already activated flash15:40
lcukto be the wrong way15:40
lcukDima202, i dont mind ads in principle15:40
lcukwebsite operators have a right to get some cash afterall15:40
crashanddielcuk: seriously, it's just amazing to see all the websites where there are 1px by 1px to track your time on the site, which part you look at, etc15:40
DocScrutinizer"click to start plugin" - ftw15:41
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: aye15:41
lcukthe best way to get click to play would be a binary shim15:41
lcukthat acted like flash15:41
lcukand worked natively and quickly15:41
lcukand just forwarded everything through15:41
lcukonce you click15:41
DocScrutinizerisn't it implemented like that?15:42
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crashanddieon safari it is15:42
lcukit scans the DOM after loading15:42
lcukand replaces the elements15:42
SpeedEvillcuk: A binary shim - which meant that if flash crashed - it would just stall flash15:42
lcukits a js thing15:42
lcukSpeedEvil, flash itself is a binary plugin15:42
SpeedEvillcuk: I know15:42
lcukso when an element has <object ...> its loaded15:42
crashanddiebecause safari spawns its own processes for each plugin, whether it's flash, java, or whatever15:43
lcukjust replace that plugin with another15:43
SpeedEvillcuk: But if you had a shim, the flash process may run under a different process15:43
alteregoAnyone used Nokia's qemu n900 emulation? I just booted the meego nand image :)15:43
alteregoIt's awesome.15:43
lcukSpeedEvil, potentially but i wouldnt expect that15:43
lcukits reengineering severly15:43
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alteregoSlightly annoyed that it emulates the N900 keyboard, so I have to memorise the blue symbols and use ALT a lot :(15:43
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* lcuk is mentioned on the flashblock credits page (claim to fame:D)
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SpeedEvilalterego: tippex15:45
* DocScrutinizer mumbles nonprintable swearwords about Korean solder quality and wrestlers untrained for sensible work at Nokia repair shop, and heads out into the friggin rain15:45
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SpeedEvilMy claim to fame is I'm mentioned on a flash patent.15:45
SpeedEvilflashlight patent15:45
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haltdef_read that as fleshlight patient15:45
lcukcool beans15:45
SpeedEvilThough I have read the fleshlight patent15:45
* haltdef_ gets eyes checked15:45
SpeedEvil(I wanted to know how they make stretchy rubber)15:46
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Dima202lol wtf15:46
viliny__how do they make stretchy rubber?15:46
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SpeedEvilViliny: It's a copolymer with a substansial gel component. IIRC15:47
viliny__ah, so a wizard did it.15:47
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Dima202damn, i've been paying for the real thing, could have just gotten unlimited for $6515:47
lcukMohammadAG_, hows your hacking going?15:47
DocScrutinizerhmmpf, mentioned on a patent... Same here, for GSDC's XMLMaker15:48
MohammadAG_lcuk, just hit a brick wall :P15:48
lcuka shiny pulsing brickwall?15:49
DocScrutinizerwon't buy me candybars15:49
crashanddieMohammadAG_: what you hacking?15:49
MohammadAG_lcuk, I got it working for the arrow keys, the rest, nope15:49
MohammadAG_crashanddie, sec15:49
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lcukMohammadAG_, thats a shame, will manage it - need to get it working with hotkeys to be really effective15:49
lcukMohammadAG_, should i show him the pastebin i put up last night15:50
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MohammadAG_lcuk, show him the script if he wants to do it :)15:52
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crashanddieMohammadAG_: excellent15:52
lcukgenius :D you youtubed it15:52
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crashanddieMohammadAG_: bonus points if you can link that to a phone profile, which would do that when in silent mode15:52
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lcukcrashanddie, wanting to make closest led light up on keypress15:53
BCMM_crashanddie: so is there a proper way to install GCC on an n900?15:53
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lcukBCMM_, look at scrollback i answered you15:53
crashanddieBCMM_: at the moment only as lcuk said15:53
MohammadAG_<crashanddie> MohammadAG_: bonus points if you can link that to a phone profile, which would do that when in silent mode15:53
BCMM_sorry lcuk15:53
MohammadAG_great idea!15:53
MohammadAG_might start on it once I finish lcuk's15:53
lcukcrashanddie, he also considered it for a throbber when busy processes15:54
BCMM_lcuk, crashanddie: why shouldn't i install that on an n900?15:54
crashanddiehow about using it to show the progress of an installation?15:54
crashanddieBCMM_: install sdk/tools repository, google for it. Though please be careful, and only use apt-get to install to install build-essential and then remove the repository as to not mess up your package manager15:54
MohammadAG_<MohammadAG_> Might be cool if apps use the knight rider thing as a loading15:54
MohammadAG_* MohammadAG_ is thinking healthcheck :P15:54
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MohammadAG_Need to audio swap that vid, apparently mute is static lol15:55
crashanddieMohammadAG_: yeah, but also the progress indicator... every percent increments one button15:55
MohammadAG_hmm, might not work if mce is running15:55
crashanddiehey, you're the dev, I'm just the ideas guy15:55
MohammadAG_kill mce and it'll work immediately15:55
crashanddiedon't tell me "might not work because of x", just do it :P15:56
BCMM_crashanddie: what happens otherwise? conflicting dev versions of things?15:56
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MohammadAG_crashanddie, and the QA testing team? :)15:56
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Arkenoiretweet pingbacks as blog comments suck big time. why the f should i read a list of people who read the same and retweeted?15:56
alteregotweeter feedback? :)15:57
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Arkenoitwitter sucks, too15:58
Arkenoibut at least i am not forced to read it15:58
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alteregoAnyone have an idea of how I could make a complete image of the nand flash in the N900?16:22
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alteregoDon't even need to, I can generate it from a fiasco image :D16:26
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DrGrovGood day to you all!16:31
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infobot:), DocScrutinizer17:13
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SmokeyDhey everyone. Can I get a proper bash shell on my maemo device with the same versions of commandline tools (du and others) as I have on my normal ubuntu box17:40
SmokeyDI noticed that du at least is different from others and there are no man pages either in the normal terminal17:41
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BCMM_smokey: there is a package for bash and one for coreutils17:43
SmokeyDBCMM_: ok, I will check it out17:43
BCMM_also, several for other little things like less17:43
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BCMM_there is some stuff with paths17:43
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javispedroafternoon gentleman17:44
BCMM_coreutils does not install in the default $PATH to avoid some kind oof conflict17:44
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SmokeyDBCMM_: it indeed was the PATH setting. I just added /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ to my PATH and now I get the normal commands again.17:54
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Stskeepsmorning afb17:59
andrewfblackStskeeps: Morning18:00
andrewfblackAnything interesting going on?18:01
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SmokeyDandrewfblack: Yeah, I have a nokia N900, that is really very interesing18:02
alteregoI managed to get PR1.2L to boot in qemu :D18:02
SmokeyDat least for me18:02
SmokeyDtoo interesting actually because I should be working instead of playing around with my phone :)18:02
BCMM_andrewfblack: first 3-way UK election in a while...18:02
alteregoI had to rip out the boot loader from the meego nand image.18:02
BCMM_what is PR1.2L?18:03
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SmokeyDhmm, will I run into trouble installing the SDK on x86_64?18:04
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alteregoSmokeyD: what SDK?18:04
SmokeyDmaemo 5.0 SDK18:04
alteregoSmokeyD: scratchbox? Or the Nokia Qt SDK?18:04
alteregoProbably, I use a 32bit VM18:04
alteregoPeople have done it, but I think there are some complications.18:04
alteregoI can't remember off hand if I've done it in the past.18:05
SmokeyDthen I'll fetch another VM :)18:05
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ZogGSmokeyD i can't succeeded18:12
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ZogGsup folks18:17
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Jaffaandrewfblack: "Backflip"?18:30
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andrewfblackJaffa: Yeah18:30
Jaffaandrewfblack: ...18:30
andrewfblackJaffa: Moto Backflip18:31
BCMMisn't that a phone?18:31
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andrewfblackBCMM: Yes18:31
* BCMM google18:31
BCMMoh, an android one18:31
andrewfblackBCMM: Yeah I sold out to android : )18:32
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Jaffaandrewfblack: Ah, I see.18:34
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* slonopotamus tried to commit a file to svn repo and suddenly discovered that it was locked by someone since feb 2008 o_O18:36
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zokier... and thats why we dont use svn19:03
Dima_Sharihinzokier, who dont use svn?19:03
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Trizttimeless_mbp; sent you a new e-mail with the results after the latest update19:08
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BCMMi am somewhat confused about Ovi Store - does it contain a mix of maemo and symbian apps or something? it says this is not for the n900
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JaffaBCMM: If you navigate to it from an N900 you should only see N900 content. However, the multimedia stuff isn't compatible despite being sold.19:12
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Mace_N900hexen 2!19:14
Mace_N900classic :)19:14
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Mace_N900i wonder if i have an old q3 cd lying around19:16
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Mace_N900im running on half a battery now so i will have fun with this later on19:18
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lbt so, I want a normal cheap-ish household scanner. I'd like to buy one from a mfg that 'supports' linux. Any suggestions? #sane is dead and the website tells me what's supported but it seems full of non-free drivers...19:19
Dima_Sharihinlbt, I'm sorry, offtop?19:20
lbtonly a lot :)19:20
lbtbut since when is #maemo ever on topic ...19:21
VDVsx~poke lbt19:21
* infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lbt, pokes lbt repeatedly, hilarity ensues.19:21
lbtheh... anyway, we'll get meego support for it and backport it to maemo6 (which is meego)19:21
VDVsxlbt, HP print/scanners work well on Linux, so far I don't have any complain19:22
VDVsxbut I would say that the major brands will work19:22
VDVsxotherwise you can write the drivers :D19:23
TriztI have a Mustect USB scanner, been happy with it19:23
infobotTrizt meant: I have a Mustech USB scanner, been happy with it19:23
lbtVDVsx: ta... do you know id that's a GPL(ish) driver or a binary?19:23
lbtTrizt: same question :)19:24
VDVsxlbt, not sure, but since it works out of the box in debian, should be GPL,19:24
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lbtyeah, that's good enough :)19:24
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VDVsxthere's some standards for these kind of devices, but as usual nobody cares :D19:25
* Dima_Sharihin have Acer ScanPrisa 340P... was made in 2000, Linux support missing =((19:26
Triztthink all the drivers in sane are gpl, as far as I seen19:26
mikki-kunhm... is there actually a way to put several hdds on the sata-interface of a notebook19:27
Triztunplug sata-dvd and plug the other hard drive there19:27
mikki-kuntritz sata-dvd?19:28
Triztor if you paid a lot you may have a sata-br19:29
mikki-kunis the dvd drive on a sata-interface?19:29
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Triztmikki-kun; depends on the laptop you bought, crap from HP, no, something from sony maybe19:29
mikki-kuncause i'd have a spare 3.5" 1.5TB here which i'd like to use19:30
mikki-kunTrizt: it would be a dell d62019:30
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Triztthink it's an ide19:31
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kokosz1.2 here yet?19:31
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infoboti heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.19:31
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kokoszhelp- the colours are too dark on my N900 in xchat.,19:32
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kokoszcant see damn thing19:33
RST38hchange them then19:33
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kokoszhow? it dont work19:33
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ZogGkokosz, doesn't work what?19:33
ZogGare you on desctop or n900?19:34
kokoszchanging colors in xchat on N900 dont work19:34
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kokoszcant see damn thing19:34
ZogGkokosz it's pretty fine be default actually19:34
ZogGwhere did you try to change?19:34
RST38hchanging colors works for me.19:34
infoboti guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.19:35
ZogGlol =)19:35
kokoszno....when i write its all black19:35
Dima_Sharihinkokosz, open Settings->Colors19:35
kokoszhow do i change my own colors?19:35
Dima_SharihinIn desktop version colors are configurable19:35
kokoszi did but dont see options for own color19:35
kokoszyou peeps using xchat on n900 or sumething else?19:36
Dima_Sharihinbut don't usethese silly features19:36
sECuREkokosz: irssi19:36
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marmouteirssi++ (in a screen on a stable server19:37
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SpeedEvilkokosz: I like xchat19:38
ShapeshifterI use irsii on screen on a server19:39
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kokoszi like xchat too but cant change damn colors and cant see damn thing i write19:40
Dima_Sharihinkokosz, don't see what you typing :D19:41
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SpeedEvilkokosz: You don't have a black text on white display?19:41
mikki-kunhm, i would love to get the perl-extensions for irssi working ;/19:41
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SpeedEvillike that?19:41
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.19:41
SpeedEvilkokosz: Do you have the default theme installed?19:42
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kokoszdefault theme19:42
* SpeedEvil has no clue what's wrong.19:42
Dima_Sharihinkokosz, did you change default colors in xchat?19:42
kokoszim using xchat on N900 and the colors are hard to read19:42
ZogGscreenshot pls19:42
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ZogG_N900it's fine for me19:43
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Dima_Sharihin || mine xchat is fine too :D19:45
kokoszso you peeps using xchat on n900 dont find the colors dark?19:45
SpeedEvilkokosz: See above19:45
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kokoszspeedevil - but i'm using N90019:46
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SpeedEvilkokosz: See the above image I posted19:46
SpeedEvilkokosz: that's from n90019:46
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lcukkokosz, i agree some of the colorchoices are suspect19:47
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Dima_Sharihinlow battery (=19:48
lcukinfact the font has even changed on this latest update19:48
lcuki cant read blue on black nicknames19:48
kokoszspeedevil yes!!!!! how did you get it like that???19:48
SpeedEvilkokosz: I forgot.19:48
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SpeedEvilkokosz: I beat the config files with a hammer, I think.19:48
kokoszman!!! that's what i need19:49
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MohammadAG_that's so.... simple19:49
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kokoszwhen i installed xchat on my n900 the default colors are different from your screenshot19:50
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MohammadAG_from mine?19:50
MohammadAG_I set it to randomly coloured19:50
MohammadAG_(for nicknames)19:50
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Dima_SharihinIt's a xchat feature19:50
SpeedEvilfor what it's worth19:50
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, sure your ns id isn't there?19:51
SpeedEvildrop those in your ~.xchat219:51
MohammadAG_Nickserv password19:51
Dima_Sharihin/Nickserv identify <password!>19:51
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kokoszSpeedEvil: how did you get the colors to be like that?19:53
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MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, /query19:54
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Dima_SharihinIs software interface N900 harder desktop clones?19:55
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Dima_Sharihin/s/harder/harder than desktop clones of these apps19:57
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SpeedEvilkokosz: See the above posted file - which is now there again - after I changed my password. :/20:00
Shapeshifterwell, listening to a song on youtube while multitasking aint such a great experience20:00
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SpeedEvilDo remember to edit the 'n900evil' to something else.20:01
MohammadAG_or just ignore the whole serverlist file20:02
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ZogGkokosz from n90020:04
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th3hate_how do you see black font on black background?20:08
Dima_Sharihinth3hate_, font is grey =)20:08
th3hate_Still hard to see20:08
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kokoszyes still hard to see20:09
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infobotmethinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.20:10
TuukkaHey! Just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and i'd need some help in installing some drivers.20:10
Dima_SharihinTuukka, drivers for what?20:11
achipa~slap tamas20:11
* infobot slaps tamas, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!20:11
TuukkaDima_sharihin for wlan adapter20:11
timelesstrizt? ping20:12
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Dima_SharihinTuukka, Atheros wlan, or broadcom?20:12
TuukkaDima_sharihin allready downoloaded the right ones, but i need to run some scripts which i have no idea of20:13
th3hate_Q&A About PR1.2 release date:
Dima_Sharihinhuh. Aren't you use NetworkManager???20:13
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timelessinfobot,  ~pr1.1.1 is <reply> you are here. please wait20:13
infobottimeless: okay20:13
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timelessinfobot,  pr1.1.1 is <reply> you are here. please wait20:14
infobottimeless: okay20:14
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infobotyou are here. please wait20:14
timelessinfobot, forget ~pr1.1.120:14
infoboti forgot ~pr1.1.1, timeless20:14
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th3hate_infobot, remember ~pr1.1.120:15
infobotHow can i forget about ~pr1.1.1 ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world !20:15
timelessinfobot,  pr1.1 is <reply> that's old, please update to 1.1.120:15
GAN900Love dneary's thread20:15
infobot...but pr1.1 is already something else...20:15
infobothmm... pr1.1 is
GAN900"Anything that has MeeGo in it is evil and I say you can't work on it!"20:15
infobotrumour has it, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.20:16
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StskeepsGAN900: mm :P20:17
timelessinfobot, pr1.1.1 is also
infobottimeless: okay20:17
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GAN900Stskeeps, I really need to catch up20:17
timelessgan900: yum20:17
GAN900Apparently everybody decided to start making noise the day I went back to work.20:17
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th3hate_infobot, kick timless20:18
* infobot kicks timless20:18
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StskeepsGAN900: well, at least council is a bit more active20:18
FredrIQinfobot, can i get a kick?20:18
GAN900Stskeeps, hey!20:18
StskeepsGAN900: be sure to thank/beat andre in his thread btw20:18
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GAN900Stskeeps, yeah, been on my list.20:18
timelessfredrIQ: someone would have to spell your nick correctly20:18
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FredrIQinfobot, i'm FredrIQ, may you kick him?20:19
th3hate_infobot, kick FredrlQ20:19
* infobot kicks FredrlQ20:19
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th3hate_infobot, thanks20:20
infobotgern geschehen, th3hate_20:20
GAN900Stskeeps, yeah, been on my list.20:20
GAN900Ah, damn20:20
Dima_Sharihininfobot, kick me20:20
* infobot kicks dima_sharihin20:20
GAN900andre__, dun wanna half-ass it, though. :)20:20
GAN900Up arrow is too close to the enter key20:20
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andre__yay, GAN900 is in? finally some real criticism :)20:24
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crashanddieGAN900: sudo find me a job20:24
GAN900andre__, well, I wanted to avoid a "You're great!" post and give you something more useful.20:25
Chromeqole said n900 won't get flash 10.1?20:25
GAN900crashanddie, garbage man!20:25
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Stskeepsqole isn't an authorative source20:25
andre__GAN900, that's bad for my ego, but good for my will to explain things :-P20:25
crashanddieGAN900: sudo -type NOT_CRAP20:25
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GAN900Stskeeps, lies!20:25
GAN900crashanddie, error: unknown option "-type"20:26
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crashanddieGAN900: sudo -h20:26
GAN900crashanddie, back in Europe?20:26
GAN900crashanddie, good to be back?20:27
GAN900Why not go apply at Nokia or one of their contractors?20:27
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Stskeepsare you sure they'd dare to let him on as anything than a security guard after reading #maemo logs? ;p20:28
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kokoszi see20:34
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kokosztime to go20:35
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lcukkokosz, what are you testing?20:36
kokoszdifferent colors in xchat on my n900 to make it more readable20:36
crashanddieGAN900: thought about it, just don't know where to get it tbh20:37
crashanddieStskeeps: well, that'd'work20:37
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lcukkokosz, change the preferences20:37
kokoszlcuk: yes20:37
crashanddieGAN900: thing is, I'd like to be in Perpignan for a while, want to be with gf for a bit20:37
lcukclick the menu andclick settings and click preferences20:37
lcukand change fonts and colors etc?20:38
arachnistkokosz: try dark background and light text20:38
arachnistbtw, do the "preferences" in xchat still make it die?20:38
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lcuki changed the font and the colors myself just a minute ago20:38
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kokoszarachnisrt: i think i prefer light background and dark text20:38
lcukusernames are no longer darkblue on black20:38
lcukand the font size is greater than 620:38
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kokoszi also got rid of the marker line20:39
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* RST38h yawns20:41
RST38hlcuk moo20:41
lcukhey RST38h \o20:41
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lcukyou changed the font i was squinting!20:42
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RST38hwhat font?20:42
lcukin xchat?20:42
lcukor have i had little fingers playing..20:42
* lcuk considers the latter actually20:43
kokoszis there a specific N900 room on irc?20:43
RST38hlcuk: have not been changing anything, using the same mheg-whatever font20:44
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lcukroger - its down to little fingers then20:45
lcukfont change is on the front page of preferences20:45
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timelesskokosz: most of the time this 'channel' is focussed on the n90020:45
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kokosztimeless: yes20:45
timelessnokia is replacing maemo w/ meego, and thus it's assumed that the n900 is the last 'maemo' device20:46
timelessit's also reasonable to conclude that there's at least an order of magnitude more n900 devices than its predecessors20:46
timelesswell, maemo is merging into meego, however you want to look at it20:47
E0xanybody here ever buy a beagleboard ?20:47
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timelessinternally, nokians now work for meego devices whereas earlier we were in maemo devices20:48
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kokoszwill meego run officially on n900? and I'm not talking about 16 year olds trying to make it work. I'm talking official release.20:49
MohammadAG_not sure if that's an insult to 1) old devs 2) 16 year olds 3) no one, it was a question20:50
Stskeepsa team from nokia is working on n900 hardware adaptation for meego.20:50
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GAN900crashanddie, mmm, yeah, probably not productive.20:50
E0xMohammadAG_: my question ?20:51
MohammadAG_no, kokosz's20:51
GAN900crashanddie, what tech companies are in the area?20:51
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E0xah got it20:51
crashanddieGAN900: there's Ubisoft about 300km away20:51
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nid0bitch of a commute20:52
crashanddieGAN900: pretty big city, loads of jobs20:52
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crashanddieGAN900: would be perfect if I could work from home most of the time, then go in for meetings or so. Bout 2 hours by train20:52
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Stskeepscrashanddie: got a resume/CV somewhere?20:55
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crashanddiewell, there's my linkedin page, I need to renew my CV20:56
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MohammadAG_2007-2010 :P20:56
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MohammadAG_should give you CEO position somewhere20:56
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timelesskokosz: nokia hasn't formally commented on that issue20:59
timelessand anyone affiliated with nokia is careful not to comment on it20:59
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kokosztimeless: yes20:59
timelessin general, nokia has provided service updates for roughly two years21:00
timelesssometimes that includes a major update21:00
timelessas in the update for the n80021:00
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timelessand sometimes it doesn't21:00
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timelesseither way, your phone should still work21:01
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timelessas long as networks support the supported bands or your basestations use the supported bands and encryption sets21:01
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luke-jrtimeless: the problem is that when Nokia stops providing updates, they refuse to let anyone else continue it21:03
Stskeepscommunity SSU is going on so far21:03
Stskeepsintroduced last week21:04
nid0sigh :( screen dying21:04
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Stskeepsluke-jr: got time to discuss some hypothetical situations in private?21:07
timelessluke-jr: i'm not listing all facts, merely those i can easily list as an employee21:07
timelesshowever, i have heard rumors in this channel of community ssu21:08
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luke-jrStskeeps: sure21:08
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luke-jrtimeless: community lacks the documentation needed to maintain the devices21:08
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kokoszwhen you guys respond how do you get the person's nick to appear automatically?21:09
* timeless shrugs21:09
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timelesskokosz: that depends on the client21:09
valdynkokosz: <tab>21:09
luke-jrkokosz: tab completion. learn to love it. then complain to Nokia that you have no Tab key.21:09
timelessi'm hand typing everything21:09
kokoszin xchat on N90021:10
timelessthere's a tab in my x-terminal21:10
luke-jrtimeless: KEY21:10
fralskokosz: shift+space21:10
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timelessluke-jr: it's called a soft key ;-)21:11
lcuk:D awww frals you got a linkedin!21:11
luke-jrtimeless: most people call it a BUTTON21:11
kokoszthanks all21:11
lcuknow fill the thing in :p21:11
timelessluke-jr: the hardware things are buttons too :-b21:11
fralswaiting for official mail first, just to be on the safe side ;)21:11
luke-jrtimeless: but also keys21:12
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BCMM_how does one tab-complete in maemo xchat?21:13
luke-jrBCMM_: I sell a microUSB tab key21:14
luke-jrjust plug it in and press it21:14
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fralsBCMM: shift+space21:15
fralsor maybe its ctrl+space.. hmm21:15
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luke-jr(microUSB tab key is vapourware, for the record. :p)21:16
lcukbluetooth one?21:17
ErodI wouldn't be surprised if someone had designed a gadget like that.21:17
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N900evilBCMM_: I setup shift-rightarrow to complete21:22
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Tuukkawhy is ndiswrapper trying to acces a file in /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1,9 although im in /home/blah/blah?21:26
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TuukkaI'm using: sudo ndiswrapper -i sis163.inf and i'm in the folder in which sis163.inf is located21:27
BCMM_Tuukka: tried ./sis163.inf?21:28
TuukkaBCMM still trying to /usr/sbin/..21:28
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TuukkaIt's trying to find it inside the ndiswrapper-1.9 line 219, hmmm....21:31
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TuukkaMAN, typoed the file name -.-' fail21:36
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vuonganyone knows about a bricked n900?21:36
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lcukMohammadAG_, rag doll kung fu?21:38
vuongi need help. i just bricked my n900 =/21:38
MohammadAG_PS3 game21:38
lcuki didnt know the ps3 had games21:38
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MohammadAG_PlayStation: First 50 to @reply us with *correct* answer to the following MW2 trivia Tweet wins a Modern Warfare 2 DLC code. US only. <-- watching this on twitter ;)21:39
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MohammadAG_I'm gonna lose that lol21:41
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fralsbah, got email and only saw "Invitation" before the notification went off screen, thought id gotten some nice escort service spam... but it was lcuk accepting my linkedin request :(22:01
MohammadAG_lcuk, check what's trending on twitter lol22:01
MohammadAG_7th one22:01
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* tybollt sigh22:03
Khertan_n900Hi !22:04
tybolltlook nokia - please release PR1.2 now... hell they even have domestic riots and are on the brink of civil war in Greece because you didn't release it...22:04
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* Khertan_n900 like the maemo planet news question and answer about pr1.2 ... can be resume in few words : when it s ready22:05
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lcukMohammadAG_, not online what is it22:10
MohammadAG_Scar-H from the PS3 CoD contest22:10
MohammadAG_wonder if I won...22:10
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* noobmonk3y waves and apologises for not throwing enough touts at frals this week!22:15
* frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout22:15
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noobmonk3ybuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusy week22:15
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, cool script!22:15
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MohammadAG_noobmonk3y, lcuk helped :)22:16
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noobmonk3yahhhh not sure of having it on load though22:16
noobmonk3yas the keyboard needs to be open22:16
noobmonk3ymight just have it as a keyboard led test22:16
MohammadAG_it will show if it's open/closed22:17
noobmonk3ylol true :P will give it a go22:17
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lcuknoobmonk3y, its just for playing but uber cool22:21
lcukMohammadAG_, i had a thought about something22:21
lcukwill test it and see if it works22:21
lcukif so will update script22:21
* noobmonk3y is plugging it into H/c as an initial test :D22:21
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noobmonk3ywas working on 1 myself - but yours is cooler!22:21
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* lcuk is doing something differenter22:22
* frals plugs a trout in noobmonk3y22:23
lcukwont that hurt?22:23
* noobmonk3y screams troutyness!!!!!22:23
fralsdepends on where i guess, size of his mouth he wont even notice!22:23
noobmonk3ybrb 5 mins - reading the missus's sisters uni dissertation22:23
* noobmonk3y is quite honest guv!22:23
* noobmonk3y really can't type22:23
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Dima_Sharihinnoobmonk3y, speak or sing what you can't type... =)22:24
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* Dima_Sharihin hates typing "unsigned long long.... unsigned long long... unsigned long long". Damn C standart =)22:25
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lcukDima_Sharihin, UINT64 etc are clearer to understand22:28
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Dima_Sharihinlcuk, yes, that's right22:29
* noobmonk3y has just realised, tjhat is a script - not python22:29
lcuknoobmonk3y, lol22:29
RST38hDima)Sharihin: ever heard of typedef?22:30
* noobmonk3y 's brain struggles!22:30
Dima_SharihinRST38h, no =)22:30
RST38hgoogle for it22:30
Dima_SharihinRST38h, oooh! sorry, forgot =]22:30
lcuknoobmonk3y, which script are you looking at?22:31
fralsnoobmonk3y: some call python script as well ;)22:31
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MohammadAG_lcuk, yours, assuming I gave him the right link22:32
* frals needs Reggie to find a vBullentin plugin to *FORCE* users to read the first post before pressing reply22:32
* MohammadAG_ checks22:32
* frals facepalms and goes for more ice cream22:32
MohammadAG_nope, it's not a rick roll22:32
MohammadAG_frals, there is one :P22:33
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noobmonk3ylol looking at erm, a non python led one22:34
fralslink me up!22:34
* noobmonk3y *trout palms* frals22:34
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* noobmonk3y blinks22:38
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* noobmonk3y cries like a girly - ie frals22:39
fralsoi u wnkr!22:39
* Dima_Sharihin silently watching on the channel22:40
tybolltgetting the missus a new phone22:40
MohammadAG_silently\ watching\ on\ the\ channel="lurking"22:41
tybolltpondering the x10 mini pro22:41
MohammadAG_N900 FTW!1111!!!!22:41
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tybolltany word if there wil be a Maemo "mini"?22:41
tybolltas in ... "hand bag friendly" format?22:41
Dima_SharihinMohammadAG, If I had n900, I wouldn't  be here22:42
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E0xmy n900 almost in 98% of the time choose edge over 3g22:45
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Dima_SharihinE0x, EDGE uses less power, isn't it?22:45
E0xi think yes22:46
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E0xif i manual force use 3g and back put in in dual mode and 3g signal don't get lost stay in 3g all the time22:47
Dima_SharihinAnd n900 have small battery life =)22:47
noobmonk3ywhy when running an sh file with | root after it am i getting permission denied?22:47
E0xbut when it lose 3g signal and go back to 2.5g it never come back to 3g22:47
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Dima_Sharihinnoobmonk3y, you typing sudo, or su...?22:47
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E0x| is not a command22:47
SpeedEviltybollt: I'm not sure it would be anywhere near as good without a hwkeyb22:48
E0xwhat is the entery line that are you trying ?22:48
SpeedEviltybollt: that may be me22:48
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E0xsmall battery life ?22:48
E0xi think is averague22:48
Dima_SharihinE0x, 1 day is very small =]22:49
Dima_SharihinN900 is a PHONE!!!22:49
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jacekowskiit's a tablet22:49
E0xwith phone22:49
daniel_szits a phone tablet =]22:49
jacekowskilimited phone functionality22:49
E0xfun table ?22:49
E0x"limited" ?22:49
E0xthat more do phone that do calls ?22:50
tybolltSpeedEvil: eh?22:50
tybolltSpeedEvil: LMGTFY22:50
Dima_SharihinE0x, send SMS, MMS, USSD-calls, Video-calls22:50
SpeedEviltybollt: I'm unsure I could live with a smaller n90022:50
tybolltoi long url :S22:50
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Dima_Sharihintybollt, very short url X]22:51
E0xsms is so 199922:51
tybolltSpeedEvil: Dima_Sharihin :-|22:51
E0xvideo-calls is not a phone feature22:51
tybolltehr s/SpeedEvil//22:51
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Dima_SharihinE0x, of course. But I want to do Video-calls using Skype on N900 :)22:52
E0xso that is a table22:52
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E0xtable/computer feature22:52
tybolltSpeedEvil: The mini pro _does_ have a keyboard - hence my question. I am also likely not accepting a smaller N900 - however - again - this is for missus.22:52
jogatables are for putting things on them22:52
Dima_SharihinNo, that is a Desktop-laptop-pda feature22:52
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MohammadAG_<Dima_Sharihin> E0x, of course. But I want to do Video-calls using Skype on N900 :) - PR1.2, Qole confirmed it22:52
SpeedEviltybollt: ah - sorry - I diddn't read scroll22:52
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daniel_szhi, anyone know any app for 3g data control?22:53
Dima_SharihinMohammadAG, I didn't see any of PRs =)22:53
MohammadAG_look at the topic22:53
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E0xi use have a few reason for video-calls22:53
tybolltSpeedEvil: np. I'm shopping for something more ... "handbag sized" for missus, yet still something she can tinker w/ a lot (she steals mine to tinker w/ :-| )22:54
E0xbah , nevermind22:54
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* SpeedEvil suggests a larger handbag.22:56
SpeedEvilI suspect that may not work though.22:56
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tybolltSpeedEvil: suggesting that may render me a handbag ina head... I prefer not... ;)23:04
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DrGrovGood evening23:11
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DrGrovPR 1.2 ??=23:12
DrGrovIt is out?23:12
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infobotfrom memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.23:13
fralsand evening to you too :)23:13
* MohammadAG_ so wants to set that kick regex23:13
jacekowskipr 1.2 has leaked23:15
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jacekowskibut it's month old build23:15
jacekowskithat has some issues23:15
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DrGrovI will be fucked23:15
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DrGrovGod damn Nokia!23:15
fralsjacekowski: its a leaked build, what evidence do you have its pr1.2? :p23:15
MohammadAG_flashing it isn't supported, giving links out isn't allowed23:15
E0xi dont belive in god23:15
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DrGrovActually, more serious issues though. My boss is asking on how to obtain a license for DocsToGo so he can use Word/Powerpoint/Excel documents while working.23:16
jacekowskifrals: it has lot of features that 1.2 was supposed to have23:16
* MohammadAG_ slaps noobmonk3y around with a trout23:16
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jacekowskifrals: ir's more like 1.9523:16
* MohammadAG_ waits for frals to thank him23:16
jacekowskifrals: 1.1.9523:16
* frals trouts noobmonk3y and MohammadAG_23:16
* noobmonk3y prods frals with a trout shaped lcuk 23:16
* tybollt salmons frals23:16
DrGrovSeriously hey, my boss has been asking me shitload of times about this and I couldn't tell him squat23:17
* noobmonk3y frals a trout with a salmon smelling tuna looking lcuk23:17
* frals watches as lcuk gets eaten by his cat23:17
* noobmonk3y giggles23:17
* MohammadAG_ trouts the cat23:17
DrGrovFor fucks sake guys!23:17
JaffaDrGrov: Yes. Nokia are purposefully witholding it to screw with you and your boss23:17
E0xDima_Sharihin: google it23:17
* noobmonk3y looks at DrGrov 23:17
DrGrovJaffa: those damn idiots23:18
* MohammadAG_ laughs at Jaffa's startement23:18
E0xDrGrov: google it23:18
DrGrovE0x: ah yes, google...23:18
fralsquick, someone get the tar and feathers!23:18
DrGrovE0x: you don't think i've fucking googled it?23:18
DrGrovE0x: lol23:18
SpeedEviltybollt: It's OK. They're so small, they can't hurt.23:18
* MohammadAG_ gets the tar and feathers23:18
E0xi already do a search23:18
E0xi am find it23:18
MohammadAG_good for you23:18
DrGrovYou do need to excuse me23:18
SpeedEviltar -F23:19
DrGrovI have a withdrawal from swedish snus atm...23:19
MohammadAG_If I were Nokia I'd sue rapidshare23:19
* frals throws some tar at lcuk and noobmonk3y23:19
MohammadAG_(for the lulz)23:19
* MohammadAG_ dumps the feathers and takes pictures23:19
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lcuki have been voting and taking pictures of lamps and you bleeders decide to throw trout at me23:20
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: ah thank you. my withdrawing from using snus is killing my intellect. :D lol23:20
noobmonk3yDrGrov, - to be more precise23:20
noobmonk3ylol np :P23:20
fralslcuk: thats what you get when it takes you this long!23:20
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: or should i say i am trying to cut down usage of it...23:21
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: not working though so well23:21
lcuktwitter has picture of the lamp23:21
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noobmonk3yi havnt had snus since i last went to sweden - 5 years ago23:21
noobmonk3ybrought loads back, but ran out fast :P23:21
fralslol lcuk23:21
MohammadAG_lcuk, genie lamp?23:21
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: you like snus then?23:21
lcuknoobmonk3y, you havent had snusnu?23:21
noobmonk3yapart from the initial burning my mouth apart yeah23:21
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fralsah god snus is awful23:22
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: i'm been using 15 years so withdrawing is a bit fucked up23:22
noobmonk3ylol frals23:22
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noobmonk3yahhhh have smoked 15 years so know the feeling23:22
fralsotoh smoking is even worse so :D23:22
DrGrovnoobmonk3y: to stop using snus is even harder than to stop smoking23:22
noobmonk3ylol :P23:23
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RST38biswazd: here?23:30
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MohammadAG_can't believe a bot who spammed both #maemo and freenode is from opensuse...23:33
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timeless_mbpTrizt: i've pushed a newer set23:33
timeless_mbphopefully w/ fewer packaging failures23:33
Joonasfrals, can I ask you a question about fmms?23:33
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BCMMany advice on watching BBC videos?23:35
JoonasI have followed this list for configuration of fMMS, but I'm getting an error when trying to send a MMS.23:35
JoonasSending failed23:35
JoonasError: 101 Network is unreachable23:35
JoonasPlease make sure your APN settings are corroect23:35
JoonasAny hints, whats wrong?23:35
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BCMMi have seen several reviews saying that the BBC news channel streams perfectly23:36
BCMMbut it's pretty jerky, like any flash video23:37
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BCMMam i doing something wrong, or did some fail arrive in an update?23:37
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fralsJoonas: probably some setting or another is wrong - if you email me the log to i can take a closer look23:38
Joonaswhere can i find the log?23:38
korhojoaDrGrov: bara grov?23:39
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BCMMah, this got iplayer working for me, but not the news channel23:39
BCMMunless that is available somewhere on iplayer23:39
Joonasyes, just a sec23:43
DrGrovkorhojoa: bara grov?23:44
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alterego... "If everything goes well, the release after PR 1.2 will ship with Qt 4.7.x" .. Interesting, so we can hopefully expect a PR1.3? Or are they talking about Harmatten, as the released dates for Qt4.7 and Maemo 6 are pretty damn close ..23:48
lcukalterego, wheres that quote from23:48
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alteregothat post :)23:50
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infoboti guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.23:50
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alteregotamas_: who's asking?23:51
lcuktamas_, shush for once, this was a genuine question with real considerations :)23:51
* tamas_ didn't ask anything, just typed some random characters... :$23:52
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alteregoWell, wasn't really a question, more of a discussion opener :)23:53
lcukalterego read the qt 4.7 statement how you like, did you see eeros posting about pr1.2?23:53
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alteregolcuk: sorry? I don't get you23:53
kokoszPeeps this is why 1.2 is delayed:
alteregoThat link is far too long for what it's addressing.23:54
tamas_I know why, mr council member kept me updated23:54
alteregoAnd yes, I'm sure anyone that cares picked that up from planet maemo :P23:54
lcuktamas_, ?23:55
tamas_I know a council member23:55
tamas_in person :P23:55
lcukand ?23:55
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tamas_never mind23:55
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BCMM'm' for 'mangled'23:58
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* GAN900 knows a council person in person too.23:58
BCMMpast bbc news channel shows on iplayer are fine, live is jerky23:58
Joonasfrals: Btw, i noticed some other thing with fMMS, when I installed it. fMMS made a new connection, but when I edited the connection in the fMMS (Apn), it used my 3G connection instead...23:59
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BCMMsounds is fine; but sync drifing horribly23:59

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