IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-05-02

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infobotsomebody said echo was an issue which can be best fixed using this link:, or fixed with fxotune:, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus:
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mecewhat's the name of the default maemo Qt style?00:14
MohammadAGMaemo? Qt style?00:15
mecewell yeah. when make something qt in maemo, it uses a default style, unless you tell it to use something. I was wondering what that style is called.00:17
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Mace_N900hm. is there a changdelog for 1.2? i just wanted to see something.. or do you just look it up at bugzilla?00:21
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jatthow do i delete video bookmarks?00:21
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meceah it's called "QMaemo5Style" in case you wanted to know.00:27
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Dima202Has anyone here tried chess on the n900? I am having difficulty winning medium setting. I've been at it for 3 days now00:28
MohammadAGmece, oh, sorry didn't see that, was going to suggest you ask noobmonk3y but he's not here00:28
luke-jrDima202: you're skilled?00:29
LoCusFmord: w00t00:29
mecethe trouble is that fucker won't listen to style sheets.. by that fcker I mean QListView. It's REALLY annoying. I don't feel like creating a custom style just to change the background of a list view.00:29
DocScrutinizerDima202: rumour has it maemo-chess is way too clever even at lowest setting. Allegedly due to request of some Nokia product manager who thought it was not at par with his exceptional chess skills :-P00:30
b-man<Nokia Manager> this game is wayyy to easy for my mad skills00:32
MohammadAG<Some Nokia Tester> yo devs, this game's a bit hard, no one will be able to finish it00:32
MohammadAG(think of a reply, I'm bored :P)00:33
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kpelMohammadAG: the developers' reply doesn't matter. it goes straight to /dev/null00:33
MohammadAGLOL was gonna say that00:34
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MohammadAGwell not /dev/null, but same concept :P00:34
b-man<Nokia Manager> Meh, i'll just ignore the dev's request and slap a fixed in harmatten lable on it00:34
MohammadAG<Superior Nokia Manager> Screw Harmattan *mv bug /dev/null*00:35
Dima202luke-jr, im a casual player not professional00:35
jacekowskiwhat about 1.2?00:35
Dima202DocScrutinizer, that might actually explain it then.00:36
jacekowskiDima202: i win easily on medium00:37
luke-jrDima202: so play easy00:37
luke-jrIMO, "Medium" should be for a novice professional :P00:38
luke-jrso the advanced pros can play "Hard"00:38
Dima202yeah easy is tricky but winning is a possibitly medium is no atm00:40
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mecedamn this is frustrating!!00:43
kpeluninstall it and win the final battle :)00:44
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DocScrutinizerDima202: my parser segfaulted with a megaton detonation on trying to dissect that sequence of lexems00:45
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Dima202DocScrutinizer, lay of the chronic for a few days :)00:51
* DocScrutinizer wonders if Dima202 might be a Vogon, composing a new poem00:52
* Dima202 My poetry is good. You must listen and like it00:54
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Dima202I think everyone experiences these Vogon rhymes :(00:56
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Dima202I bought a book to improve my game
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lardman|refuelinnight all!01:09
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MohammadAGany idea where built in icons go?01:24
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meceOMG I'm making progress!01:51
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BCMMmece: on what?01:53
meceBCMM, changeing the background color of QListWidget.01:53
meceNow I can move on to other things.01:53
meceI hate it when I get stuck.01:53
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MohammadAGmece, you'll unstuck yourself, don't worry01:54
meceI did already.01:54
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mecehmm what's the simplest way of displaying an image?01:57
mecein qt.01:58
meceQImage :)01:59
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Macersure wish my su8w had better support in maemo503:01
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Macerbut the thing was meant for an N95 so i can't really be too angry about it03:01
Macerand plus.. bt keyboards have to be enabled manually which is a pain all on its own :)03:01
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kthomas_vhway to install apps to memory card (n810)?03:06
Macerkthomas_vh: usually helps to boot from the memory card03:08
Macerthere are instructions all over the interwebs03:09
Macerwhat i need to find out is how do i increase this rootfs size03:09
Macerwhat is it  on the n900.. like 2GB? :)03:09
Macerdefault should have been 403:09
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Macermaybe i can shove a 16GB SD in there and mount it in some dir that will give me some more space03:10
Maceri want to try out easy debian03:11
Maceri hope it keeps its image on the larger portion03:11
Macerlet me install it03:12
Macersounds neet03:12
Macerif it has cups it will be perfect heh03:12
kthomas_vhMacer, thanks03:14
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Maceri guess it does :) let me shove a 16GB SD into it03:14
Macerthe placement of the sd slot is kind of odd to me03:15
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tremnite all, sweet dreams03:22
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opdf2is there a way to do a fat32 chkdsk on n900?03:35
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opdf2without a computer03:35
MohammadAG_opdf2, just fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 (emmc)03:35
MohammadAG_well, MyDocs to be more precise03:36
opdf2MohammadAG_:  is it faster if i just connect a usb cable and do a chkdsk?03:36
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Macerwell.. looks like i don't need an SD in the G1 for it to work. although the apps beign on the SD made it look ugly. i was going to sell it on ebay or something03:36
opdf2or is that command faster?03:36
Macerthen again i might keep it as a backup phone or something03:36
MohammadAG_opdf2, it doesn't take a lot of time, prolly less than a min03:37
Maceri have to format the SD on a windows box or something03:37
MohammadAG_or two mins03:37
opdf2MohammadAG_:  okay cool03:37
MohammadAG_opdf2, you need to be root btw03:37
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MohammadAG_is haze dead or something03:38
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MohammadAG_ZogG_N900, aren't you from IL?03:39
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ZogG_N900MohammadAG, i am03:40
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ZogG_N900so everyone hates Ari or what his name is03:41
ZogG_N900they act like children03:41
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ZogG_N900though don't understand nokia too )03:41
MohammadAG_ZogG_N900, oh nothing, it's 3:41 AM in the mornin and I'm wondering...03:41
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ZogG_N900MohammadAG, night shift. security (03:41
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MohammadAG_i'm just awake lol03:42
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ZogG_N900haha good life03:42
ZogG_N900no work/study?03:42
Macerah crapper03:42
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Macerthis thing is jacked up without the SD in it :) guess i'll have to copy the SD over03:42
MohammadAG_ZogG_N900, no school, for a day :P03:43
opdf2does fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 fix errors?03:43
ZogG_N900MohammadAG, how old r u?03:43
MohammadAG_16 :)03:43
ZogG_N900MohammadAG, srsly?03:43
MohammadAG_opdf2, yes, umount the partition first03:43
MohammadAG_yeah, why?03:43
MohammadAG_opdf2, umount /dev/mmcblk0p103:43
ZogG_N900your english is great03:44
MohammadAG_if that doesn't work use -l (might cause damage to data)03:44
opdf2if fsck didnt say anything about errors, its okay correct? i should only unmount if it did find errors03:45
MohammadAG_opdf2, after umounting fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 then remount it (mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs)03:45
ZogG_N900zits in the ear are pain in ass03:45
MohammadAG_opdf2, you really shouldn't fsck while it's mounted :)03:45
ZogG_N900what r u trying to do?03:45
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opdf2wanted to check for errors on the fat32 partition03:46
MohammadAG_fsck usually fvcks the filesystem while mounted :)03:46
MohammadAG_doesn't it warn before doing anything03:46
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ZogG_N900can u check it on windows btw?03:47
ZogG_N900fat32 is windows system anyway03:47
MohammadAG_WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage.03:47
opdf2ZogG_N900:  yeah i could03:47
MohammadAG_yeah, it does03:47
* ZogG_N900 is think to merge to ext2 or something simuliar03:47
jlebarHow can I peg the n900's clock to 600mhz?03:47
MohammadAG_ext3 on my SD card03:47
jlebarKeep it from being scaled down?03:48
ZogG_N900ext3 is stupid imho03:48
ZogG_N900almost same only kills it faster03:48
MohammadAG_jlebar, oh you mean fry the N90003:48
ZogG_N900jlaire, give it more fuel? )03:49
jlebarMohammadAG_, Well...03:49
MohammadAG_ZogG_N900, locking it @ 600 isn't recommended, at all!03:49
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jlebarMohammadAG_, I'm running a benchmark which is behaving very strangely.  I'd like to see if that's because of frequency scaling.03:50
ZogG_N900don't really care as not gonna overclock it03:50
MohammadAG_ZogG_N900, doesn't matter, 600 is default03:50
jlebarHonestly, if I could peg it to 300mhz, that would be just as good.  :)03:50
MohammadAG_jlebar, it shouldn't matter03:50
jlebarWhy not?03:50
MohammadAG_no idea though :(03:50
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MohammadAG_you might be able to set minimum using t-tan's kernel03:50
MohammadAG_jlebar, that was about the scaling bit :)03:51
jlebarI see.  :)03:51
jlebarOr even...can I read the current frequency from within a program?03:51
Maceri have to wipe all this android crap off this thing :)03:52
MohammadAG_jlebar, healthcheck03:52
MohammadAG_or that03:52
jlebarMohammadAG_, that exports an API that I can get to from C?03:52
MohammadAG_Macer, just put it in the N900 and format it03:52
MohammadAG_jlebar, oh, you want C stuff03:52
ZogG_N900Macer, have u tried it on n900?03:52
MacerMohammadAG_: i need to save it to get my G1 in a workable state after i get some cheap 4G SD for it03:52
MohammadAG_jlebar, you can just read a file03:52
Maceri have it in the n90003:52
wall[e]i am trying to feed live video from n900 front camera to ubuntu, what would be the best solution?03:52
Maceri'm about to wipe it03:53
Macerso i can install the easydeb image on it03:53
jlebarMohammadAG_, Well...I guess I could read a file from C, if that file contains the current frequency.03:53
jlebarThat's /proc/somethinmg.03:53
rasterjlebar: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/...03:53
MohammadAG_jlebar, sys I think03:53
Macerreally.. all i need is the nandroid backup03:53
wall[e]beside vnc03:53
Maceri can recover to a new sd from that :)03:53
rasteropen/read/write those files03:54
Macerlet's hear it for nandroid! woo!03:54
rasterthats how u can control cpu freq03:54
Macertoo bad android itself was kind of a let down.. at least to me it was03:54
jlebarIt's the bogomips?03:54
jlebarOh...I see.03:54
jlebarnm; my irc client is lagging.  Ignore me for a sec.  :)03:54
ZogG_N900it's little creature03:54
* raster eats ZogG_N900's bogomip03:55
ZogG_N900it lives inforest03:55
MacerMohammadAG_: i need to repartition it as well ;)03:55
rasternot anymore03:55
rasteri ate it03:55
Maceris exFAT what ms calls fat32 nowadays?03:55
ZogG_N900i want to sleeeeeep03:55
MohammadAG_Macer, that's extended FAT I think03:55
ZogG_N900bogomips pic?03:55
MacerMohammadAG_: isn't that the same thing?03:56
ZogG_N900does it support more than  rgibs files?03:56
MohammadAG_wall[e], which Xournal version is that?03:56
MohammadAG_Macer, nope, think it supports up to 32GB per file or sth03:56
rasterMohammadAG_:  u could try nilfs203:56
Maceri guess it's different03:57
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Macerlarger volumes to it seems03:57
rasterlogging fs with revisioning intended to work well on things like ssd's03:57
MohammadAG_Macer, it was added to vista I think03:57
Macerdoesn't matter.. everybody knows opensolaris zfs is the best03:57
MohammadAG_(7 as well)03:57
rastershould map nicely to sd cards too03:57
ZogG_N900why would u need logging?03:57
MohammadAG_might be on sp3 of xp03:57
rasterits relatively new03:57
Maceryeah. i'm just curious if i can partition and format as a fat3203:57
Maceron my win7 laptop03:57
Macerguess there's only one way to find out :)03:58
MacerZogG_N900: fail was vista03:58
Macerwin7 isn't that bad03:58
ZogG_N900still fail03:58
Maceras opposed to what?03:58
Maceri thought osx was a total fail03:58
rasterZogG_N900: because that helps spread the writes as it logs  changes//deltas and rebuilds from there.03:58
Macerespecially with their hfs+ garbage03:58
Macerand the fact they pull zfs at the final hour03:58
Maceri actually run ubuntu on my macbook haha. i got it for a deal when it was new at $500 and hated osx so much i just used refit and installed kubuntu03:59
Maceri like kde :)03:59
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ZogG_N900bored and want to sleeeeeeeeeeep04:00
Macerthen go to sleep04:00
ZogG_N900kde sucks04:00
rastermac hw is offensive04:00
ZogG_N900ubuntu on mac is sick04:00
Macerworks great for me.. better than osx did04:00
raster1 mouse button. sorry apple. i'm not so stupid that i cant handle more than 1 mouse button thanks.04:00
Macerwith its forking of hfs+ metadata that can't be disabled without a 3rd party app04:00
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ZogG_N900i had gentoo on laptop and desktop04:01
Macerover network mounts :)04:01
ZogG_N900now set ubuntu on laptop04:01
ZogG_N900and hate it so much04:01
Macergentoo wastes life04:01
ZogG_N900actually it's so simple04:01
rastergentoo kills the planet04:01
Maceri guess you can use bin repos.. but for that why not use debian or something else?04:02
Macerlike opensolaris :)04:02
Maceri am actually going to install opensolaris on my mb04:02
rasteryour gentoo use is going to destroy low-lying countries!04:02
ZogG_N900or haiku04:02
Maceronly thing holding me back is i don't like gnome too much04:02
Maceri hate gtk based stuff altogether tbh. most of it reminds me of win 3.104:02
ZogG_N900raster, it warms me at winter - just recompiling Oo04:02
Macerat least qt has a little more structure to the rules .. like the OK and Cancel dialogs will be in the same place04:03
Macerand the same :)04:03
lcukMacer, n900 gtk doesnt look much like gtk :)04:03
ZogG_N900gnome sucks too04:03
Macerlcuk: haha04:03
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rasterZogG_N900: per watt.. i am sure u can find a more efficient way to heat you in winter :)04:03
Macerlcuk: some of it does :)04:03
Macerhey.. but m5 has qt apps in it04:03
lcukMacer, sure its hard to completely remove it, but when i first saw n900 i was surprised it was essentially gtk04:03
Macerso hopefully this meego stuff will run on the n900 because i want a qt based ui for my n90004:04
lcukhey raster \o04:04
Macerlcuk: yeah.. you can still tell tho ;)04:04
Macerthe battery graph app is qt04:04
* raster doesnt like qt.... but i'm biased04:04
Maceri installed it just because it was qt based haha04:04
rasterlcuk:  oi oi04:04
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ZogG_N900tweego is qt04:04
lcuknice fullscreen movement04:04
lcukZogG_N900, mmm @ tweego04:04
Macerlcuk: yeah :)04:05
Maceri can't wait for a qt based ui for my damn n90004:05
Maceri am going to have a party that day04:05
lcukhave you seen hyperui04:05
Maceris it something ican use now? :)04:05
lcukqt none funcitoning demo04:05
Macerwell.. gnome makes me feel sad inside when i have to use it04:05
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lcukdialer and contacts and dashboard04:05
Maceri feel like i'm running os/2 warp04:05
lcukyeah but when i dived into the code i was surprised by how similar to liq* stuff it was04:06
wall[e]any plan for enlightenment version for n900?04:06
lcuksmall simple classes with few layers04:06
lcukit flies on 90004:06
wall[e]@raster :P04:06
rasterwall[e]: well it already should work. i've builtefl for it04:06
Macerlcuk: well... hopefully it doesn't die before it is usable :)04:06
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rastertho it'd need a lot of integration to make it replace the existing ui04:06
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rasterand i havent bothered with that04:06
* Macer is trying to remember the qt based desktop replacement for n81004:07
lcukwall[e], one of the GSOC selected projects is getting ummmm media player thingy running well04:07
rasteri have other phones that use e17+efl for their native ui already :)04:07
lcukMacer, which die?04:07
Macerqdesktop? no. that wasn't the name04:07
wall[e]sounds neat04:07
lcuki dont personally like its end look04:07
lcukbut it shows that qt can be light enough to make something workable04:07
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Macerlcuk: well. :) i'll believfe it when i see it04:08
rasterwall[e]:  the gles libs/drivers for n900 are a little buggy for my tasts04:08
rasterand performance is severely hampered04:08
lcukMacer, ofc04:08
Macerand i would figure that qt would be able to be better made than a gtk app04:08
MohammadAGhey lcuk :)04:08
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lcukjust highlighting something that can be seen now without waiting04:08
lcukhiya moh04:08
Macerbut i'm no dev.. i only kjnow what i see04:08
lcukhows it goin tonight04:08
wall[e]raster, too bad.04:08
Macerdamnit lcuk .. talking to you it is taking me like an hour to format this04:08
MohammadAGlcuk, not bad, got the SDK installed brasero isn't getting compiled04:08
Maceri have a 16G SD for my N90004:09
lcuklol macer -ill put you on ignore then now04:09
Macerjust for easydeb04:09
lcukraster, i tohught your core didnt require gl04:09
MohammadAG(installed the SDK twice tbh lol)04:09
rasterwall[e]: right now thouhg focus is on  efl itself - so the nuts and bolts and libraries - and then e17 for desktop04:09
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MohammadAGMacer, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 with the MMC in :)04:10
rastermobile ui stuff is centered in elementary atm and thats orthogonal to e17 right now04:10
lcukanything decent happening in the unisphere tonight?04:10
lcukerrr internet04:10
wall[e]raster, I see.04:10
MacerMohammadAG: i need to repartition it04:10
ZogG_N900so for developing do i need maemo sdk or nokia qt sdk is enuf04:10
Macerit has 3 partitions on it04:10
Maceris there fdisk onthe n900?04:10
ZogG_N900try it out i think it is04:11
* DocScrutinizer51 throws peanuts at raster 04:11
lcukZogG_N900, depends what you want to build and how well it works04:11
ZogG_N900lcuk wanna start to play around with qt apps04:11
wall[e]i really wish to see e* on n90004:11
Macerno fdisk on n900 :)04:12
wall[e]as integrated desktop04:12
* Macer reconnects04:12
ZogG_N900trying to make helloworld and so on apps04:12
wall[e]this hildon thing is upsetting me04:12
MohammadAG-sh: fdisk: not found OMG04:12
ZogG_N900wall[e], u always can start the project04:12
lcukthen ZogG_N900 get the latest sdk and readup on how its meant to integrate04:12
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, thanks again04:12
MacerDocScrutinizer51: it will take a year to figure out the commands for that04:12
wall[e]ZogG, will start building a de based on gnustep next month :S04:12
DocScrutinizer51for what?04:12
ZogG_N900lcuk, which one of them?04:13
MohammadAGsfdisk, I was going to compile it04:13
wall[e]ZogG, but probably vaporware04:13
MohammadAGvaporware can be condensed :)04:13
ZogG_N900wall[e], i'm gonna poert explorer to n90004:14
MohammadAG<--- optimistic person04:14
* raster throws marshmellows at DocScrutinizer51 :)04:14
Macerok win7 is stupid when it cmoes to this04:14
Maceryou can't unmount the SD04:14
Macerand you can't partition it when it's mounted04:14
MohammadAGwhen the folder is open04:14
wall[e]ZogG, internet explorer?04:14
Macerwhen you eject the usb drive it takes it offline :)04:14
MohammadAGwall[e], keep dreaming :P04:14
Macerso you can't do this on a wnidows box04:14
wall[e]MohammadAG, i made a logo for the project at least!04:14
ZogG_N900wall[e], nope the windows kinda wm or how does it called04:14
MohammadAGwall[e], it won't happen :)04:15
MohammadAGno libraries for ARM04:15
MohammadAGand it's closed source04:15
MohammadAGso unless MS do it... well you get the point04:15
ZogG_N900gnight. gonna sleep for a while04:15
MohammadAGNight ZogG_N90004:15
Macerugh. let me throw this thing on a linux box04:15
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wall[e]i don't know why i'd want ie anyway04:16
wall[e]i want just e04:16
wall[e]was a royal e user til involved seriously with objc04:16
lcuki was on the playboy site earlier trying to watch some yoga videos and i realised that there were multiple flash animations trying to run at same time and it frustrates me no end04:17
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MohammadAGyoga on pb?04:18
wall[e]i want a way to turn off certain flash, is that possible?04:18
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wall[e]like already running flash, not turning it on04:18
lcukyeah MohammadAG04:18
lcukwall[e], in my eyes - flash should not run unless its been clicked on04:18
rasterwall[e]: well e is working nicely on my other phone toys... :) just n900 i;'ve only gone as far as testing efl (the libs) and that was mostly jsut to test speed and the n900 opengl-es implementation04:19
rasteri dont hink i have time to go integrate it all so it all "works"04:19
MohammadAGlcuk, think there's a plugin for that04:19
lcukMohammadAG, yeah flashblock04:19
rasteri'd also need to actually do a nicer mobile ui bit on top of the libs04:19
lcukbut its dont wrong way round04:19
MacerMohammadAG: you made your sd ext3?04:19
lcuki have to scan the entire dom after its loaded04:19
MohammadAGMacer, yeah04:19
lcukto then replace it with a clicker knob04:19
wall[e]raster, would be hard to have no community backing, may be you can add some n900 ads to e17 desktop04:19
Macerblah. why not? :)04:19
MohammadAGI have my /var/cache/apt/archives folder on the MMC04:19
Macerooooh. ok04:20
Maceryeah sounds like an idea04:20
Maceri can just use the internal 32G for like... stuff04:20
Maceryou're symlinking everything?04:20
MohammadAG/var is on a 256MB NAND04:20
wall[e]but i think i have heard something like more devs isn't always better for the project04:21
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Macerdoes it auto mount the ext3 sd?04:21
MohammadAGerr, /var is on root (/), / is on the NAND04:21
Macerinto media/mmcx ?04:21
DocScrutinizer51always been - alwazs brainfuck04:21
MohammadAGMacer, it fails to mount it04:21
Termanagood morning04:21
wall[e]if it can scope the work to only the win manager part then it shouldn't be a problem.04:21
Macerfails to mount it?04:21
lcukmorning Termana04:21
MohammadAGyes, FAILS to mount it :P04:21
Macerso you have to mount it manually all the time?04:22
MohammadAGMacer, no, just edit rcS-late04:22
MohammadAGadd     /bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc104:22
MohammadAGafter     /bin/mount /home || echo "Failed to mount /home partition."04:22
MohammadAGdo it wrong and you'll have to reflash04:22
Maceroh screw that04:23
Maceri'll just make it vfat :)04:23
MohammadAGMacer, ext3 is better04:23
MohammadAGjust add one line04:23
MohammadAGand indent it04:23
Maceri don't need that much ext3 space ;)04:23
lcukand when you reflash forget about how to do it!04:23
Macerthe easydeb image can stay on the fat32 partition04:23
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MohammadAGtis a shame the N900 doesn't support more than one partition on the MMC04:23
rasterwall[e]:  would need to make powermnagement integrated, wifi/gsm controls etc. not going to happen in a hrry - i dont intend to spend time on it anyway04:23
lcukMohammadAG, which mmc - the internal one?04:24
MohammadAGI wanted a 15GB partition as ext3, and a 2MB one from the ext3 driver04:24
wall[e]raster, look forward to another future device :)04:24
MohammadAGlcuk, external SD card04:24
wall[e]but i'll buy a new phone next 5 years04:24
MohammadAGI expected a /dev/mmcblk1p204:24
MohammadAGor similar04:24
wall[e]was using t68 til n90004:24
MohammadAGbut nothign04:24
Macerok. rebooting heh04:25
MohammadAGext3 driver for widows04:25
Maceri just made it vfat... i just do not see the need to have that04:25
Maceri have enough space with my 2GB for stuff :) unless there is something spectacular coming out04:25
MohammadAGMacer, sure, corrupt the MMC everytime you take out the battery cover ;)04:25
wall[e]why most n900 themes are ugly?04:25
Macerbut even then i think i would just find  away to resize the onboard stuff04:25
MohammadAGNokia Nseries and the Mer wannable rock04:25
MohammadAGas well as digital nature04:26
Macermemory card format unsupported?04:26
MohammadAGMacer, just format it in file manager04:26
Macerwoo! no vfat support?04:26
MohammadAGI wish that were true04:26
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lcukMohammadAG, what does meego do with memory cards04:27
lcukare they mounted on boot?04:27
Macerthat was weird. .i used mkfs.vfat04:27
Macerah well. whatever. i'm goign to install easydeb :)04:27
MohammadAGlcuk, I removed MeeGo04:27
MohammadAGI'll chroot it later :)04:28
MohammadAGno point in removing Maemo just to see Bash04:28
lcukMohammadAG, i know you removed it, but next time you do bring it up could you peek please04:28
infobotmeego is probably an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices04:28
wall[e]if anyone interested in appkit based de for n900, msg me04:29
MohammadAGlcuk, thanks a heap, now I'm looking up how to chroot it04:29
MohammadAGah well, something to do for half an hour04:29
* b-man has wasted ~6 hours trying to get ubuntu working on his n900, so far, no where -_-04:29
MohammadAGbefore I go to bed :)04:29
MohammadAGSun May  2 04:29:26 IDT 201004:29
lcukMohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER04:29
Macerdebian image installer in extras04:30
Maceri'm not seeing it :)04:30
* MohammadAG laughs at One issue with a chroot installation is finding space for it. The SD card and Mydocs have plenty of space but they use FAT32 as a file system, so they can't be used directly. A solution is to mount loopback images. The easiest way to get started is to use a prebuilt loopback image. 04:30
MohammadAGlcuk, static, can't hear you :P04:31
MohammadAG<b-man> belay?04:31
b-man<lcuk> MohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER04:32
FauxFauxBELAY IT04:32
MohammadAGor something like that04:32
Macerthere it is04:32
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MohammadAGlcuk, order NOT belayed, do you copy? :P04:32
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wall[e]will this channel eventually transform into meego?04:32
Macerthe image is 300MB? :)04:33
Macerah well. let me go ahead and install this.. it only uses up sd space anyways04:33
MohammadAGMacer, what image?04:34
MohammadAGyay 10 minute download on a crappy 6MB connection04:34
Macerdebian 5/6 with working audio?04:34
* MohammadAG needs optical fibers04:34
MohammadAGMacer, it unpacks to 1.2GBs or so04:35
MacerMohammadAG: don't feel too bad.. mine is like... 16mbit04:35
* lcuk shines a torch in MohammadAG's face04:35
* b-man hands MohammadAG optical fibers04:35
lcukmy broadband is barely 16bit let along mbit04:35
Macerno wait....that's right.. i upgraded a little while ago.. i think it's 24mbit now04:35
Macerlcuk: i had to get the business class line04:36
MohammadAGlol lcuk04:36
MohammadAGb-man, gee, thanks :P04:36
MohammadAG-rw-r--r--    1 user     root    2147483648 Jan  6 21:48 debian-m5-v2.img.ext2 Macer04:36
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lcukMacer, business class is normally slower than residential04:36
MohammadAGmax is 5 where I live04:36
MohammadAG8 is israeli areas afaik04:36
Macerlcuk: says you ;)04:36
lcukbut you gain uptime and dedicated line to shout when its not working04:36
Macermy business class kicks ass04:36
MohammadAGand what does the UK get, 200MBs :)04:36
lcukMacer, actually for the longest time it was04:36
* MohammadAG hates dd04:37
lcukMohammadAG, 50mb is normal but you can go to 155 i believe04:37
MohammadAGit scares me04:37
MohammadAGlcuk, 200 on the virgin beta04:37
lcukall linux commands have the ability to scare you04:37
lcuki sometimes tremble before pressing return04:37
MohammadAGlcuk, not as much as dd :)04:37
MohammadAGlcuk, I don't need to press return, pasting usually does that on its own!04:38
lcukoh that annoys me too!04:38
MohammadAGsometimes I just need to adjust one thing04:38
MohammadAGand I find it already did the cmd04:38
MohammadAGSDK installation packages (all of them) copied04:39
MohammadAG~700MBs, not bad04:39
MohammadAGI got the SDK installed in 10 minutes :D04:39
MohammadAG2,478 items, totalling 773.1 MB04:39
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wall[e]anyone know modest dev team?04:40
MohammadAGlcuk, I hate how dd doesn't have a progress bar04:40
MohammadAGwall[e], file a bug04:40
lcukwall[e], well all dev teams are modest04:41
wall[e]MohammadAG, it doesn't support parsing certain encoding.04:41
MohammadAGwall[e], bugs.maemo.org04:41
wall[e]MohammadAG, I think I can't find a good standard for it.04:41
MohammadAGwall[e], file a bug04:42
wall[e]er, like, it didn't have enough information so the client should guess04:42
* MohammadAG feels like a bot04:42
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wall[e]a bug need a standard to fix :P04:42
MohammadAGwall[e], file a bug04:42
wall[e]thanks! :)04:42
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wall[e]well, more like i want to fix this myself04:42
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MohammadAGwall[e], umm, squares with 4 characters in them?04:43
wall[e]look for quick suggestion from the team something like that.04:43
MohammadAGdd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/meego-image bs=1024 count=2097152 how big is the image that's being made exaclty04:43
wall[e]MohammadAG, no, just turn the whole line into [?]04:43
lcukwall[e], better than a bug report would be a patch04:43
MohammadAGoh, no idea then04:43
wall[e]more like iconv doesn't work or something04:43
wall[e]thanks, was thinking of help before diving in04:44
MohammadAGI should've dd'd the image on my i5 and copied it over04:44
wall[e]thanks lcuk04:44
lcukwall[e], sure have a read and see04:44
MohammadAGlcuk, nokiamessaging is closed though right?04:44
lcukpass MohammadAG04:44
lcuknot looked so cant answer04:44
MohammadAGoh ok04:45
* lcuk is not the font of all knowledge04:45
lcuktho it seems it at times :P04:45
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* MohammadAG sees a Wiki in lcuk 04:45
lcukhand written wiki :)04:45
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wall[e]no, should be lc[[]]uk04:45
lcukpage not defined, click [[here]] to create it now04:45
lcuki like wikis04:46
* MohammadAG buys lcuk wikipedia04:46
lcuki keep thinking how a code editor ontop would be cool04:46
wall[e]any attempt for mediawiki on n900?04:46
wall[e]or that need apache?04:46
lcuksomeone has entire LAMP stack just yesterday afaik04:47
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MohammadAGmedia wiki?04:47
wall[e]ah oh04:47
lcukwas running their blog from it04:47
wall[e]MohammadAG, a version of wiki04:47
wall[e]the one on wikimedia is mediawiki04:47
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (<MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, thanks again) for what?04:48
lcukjust for your pure awesomeness i think04:48
wall[e]MohammadAG, may be a wikiphone is nice04:48
wall[e]like mediawiki interface to phone04:48
MohammadAGdial not defined04:48
wall[e][[add contact]]04:48
wall[e]and directly dial from a dial template04:49
lcuk<a href='dialer.html'>Dialer App</a>04:49
* MohammadAG hates html04:49
lcukit hates you too04:49
MohammadAGI know, it keeps throwing Xs at me04:49
lcukeveryone making web pages has to confirm that04:49
lcukif you ever view source you get04:49
MohammadAGit's still better than PHP I guess :P04:50
lcuk<html><head><declaration> MohammadAG is a git</declaration></head>04:50
MohammadAG(in terms of easiness)04:50
lcukphp is nice04:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I always think you're a quite sarcastic character04:50
wall[e]usually you mix php with html...04:50
lcukits got an easy syntax that reminds me of c04:50
MohammadAGecho "not it isn't"04:50
lcukDocScrutinizer, depends on mood04:50
lcuki spent too long on slashdot i think04:50
DocScrutinizersame here04:50
* wall[e] does webapp in objc :P04:51
lcukhaving to be snarky to get first post was a decent little game04:51
MohammadAGWarning: iPhone dev^04:51
* lcuk was always trying for +5 troll04:51
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* wall[e] is an apple hater.04:51
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lcukprefer oranges?04:51
* wall[e] never wants iphone04:52
wall[e]prefer gnustep :P04:52
MohammadAGno, he likes o2 more :P04:52
lcuki do once we get a really stable linux on it04:52
lcukthe hardware itself is sweet - maemo || meego will be nice on it04:52
MohammadAGlcuk, the iPhone?04:52
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lcuksure, why not04:52
MohammadAGit would have no dashboard button04:52
wall[e]but stylus wont work with its touch screen?04:53
lcukthere isnt one now04:53
lcukwall[e] i never said it was perfect :p04:53
wall[e]ok :P04:53
MohammadAGwall[e], solder finger to the tip04:53
MohammadAG+ your *04:53
wall[e]:S :D04:53
* lcuk has a finger tip lying around somewhere04:53
* MohammadAG shrugs04:54
* lcuk bites his nails04:54
lcukwith hands behind back04:54
wall[e]does nail work with multi touchscreen?04:54
MohammadAGcapacitive? no04:54
lcukit works with the backlit tracing type04:55
lcukand should work with statum(sp?)04:55
wall[e]what's statum?04:56
lcukStantum - resistive multitouch04:56
wall[e]pardon my postmodernity i usually get too late to revoke typed word.04:56
wall[e]company name ?04:57
MohammadAG<wall[e]> scortum? lol04:57
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lcukyes wall[e]04:57
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wall[e]this week i'll make my first nice theme04:58
wall[e]should I? like is hildon is going to end soon for meego?04:58
lcukis one of the most novel themes ive seen04:59
MohammadAG_oh for ****'s sake04:59
lcukwall[e], people still use windows 3.105:00
lcukand even earlier05:00
MohammadAG_dockane, mind kicking the other me? testing this gtk crash05:00
MohammadAG_xchat crashed ubuntu05:00
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wall[e]i'm thinking of velvet texture05:00
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wall[e]like buttons looks like soft cloth05:00
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wall[e]plan to use blender particle to produce effect..05:01
lcukcool beans05:01
MohammadAG_guess not05:01
MohammadAG_lcuk, does that dd command ever finish?05:02
wall[e]better do it than speaking.05:02
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lcukMohammadAG_, how large were you making file?05:02
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MohammadAG_lcuk, no idea05:03
lcukwlel what were you dding05:03
lcuki only used it to make big files05:03
lcuktimes square has been closed05:03
lcukthey are sending bomb robot in o_O05:03
MohammadAG_it's at 694654976, isn't this 6GBs05:03
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MohammadAG_lcuk, dding the meego image05:05
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GAN900Love it when deleting in a field sends you back a page05:09
GAN900Fucking awesome.05:10
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MohammadAG_lcuk, quick question, what's "better" than kill -905:11
MohammadAG_cause dd isn't stopping05:11
lcuktactical nuclear strike from orbit05:11
MohammadAG_actually i think it stopped05:12
lcuksee, scared at the thought05:12
MohammadAG_ 05:11:41 up  2:02, load average: 10.76, 11.43, 9.9105:12
MohammadAG_epic load05:12
MohammadAG_ubuntu 10.04, good bye :)05:13
MohammadAG_debian should be up on my pc tomorrow05:13
wall[e]it's defunct05:13
wall[e]wait til kernel clean resource05:13
MohammadAG_tbh ubuntu has been going downhill05:14
MohammadAG_it's turning into windows05:14
MohammadAG_lcuk, turns out I counted an extra number, it's 800MBs not 8000 :/05:15
wall[e]how can I have all n900 users write for a port of social city05:15
wall[e]or may be flash 10 would do it05:15
MohammadAG_pay them05:15
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wall[e]1 cent may be05:16
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wall[e]i wish i can sell theme on ovi05:17
MohammadAG_u can, but some smartass (points at self) might downgrade apt05:17
wall[e]anyone has experience?05:17
wall[e]for debian?05:18
MohammadAG_not me05:18
MohammadAG_anyways i'm off05:19
wall[e]good ngiht!05:19
MohammadAG_will install meego tomorrow05:19
MohammadAG_Sun May  2 05:19:16 IDT 201005:19
MohammadAG_a personal record05:19
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wall[e]good lcuk!05:19
MohammadAG_oh wait, i've stayed up till 605:19
* MohammadAG_ sees what you did there05:19
MohammadAG_Night o/05:20
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wall[e]get back to my job!05:21
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Macerfinal fantasy advent children is great05:24
Maceri haven't seen it in a while.. i never really got into that game too much05:25
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Proteoushad some nice fight scenes05:28
Proteouswell, it was all fight scenes05:28
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Macerthey threw a little plot in there here and there05:30
Maceri just love these retarded oversized swords he uses05:31
Macerplus tifa is a hottie05:32
Proteousall 6million pixels of her05:33
Maceroh yeah05:33
GAN900Why do people complain about the N900s thickness compared to the iPhone when they put cases on them to make them nearly as thick. . . .05:33
Proteousor would that be polygons05:33
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ProteousGAN900: thats the reason that people buy the iphone. its thin enough that you can put a super fugly case on it and have a normal thickness phone05:35
Proteousalso don't get me started on phone cases...05:35
th3_4zaradoLucretia lucretia ti amo05:35
th3_4zaradomamma mia05:35
Macerdoes the n900 even have any good cases?05:36
Maceri could care less if it's thick .. i'd rather it be protected05:36
Maceri was able to find an awesome case for my g1.. it saved it from a few dives :)05:36
Macerthis damn movie cracks me up the way 2 people are just totally destroying an entire city like a bad godzilla movie05:38
Macerand people are just acting like it's normal :)05:38
Macerah the far distant future with alien dna merged into cooperate super powers.05:38
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Macereasydeb is a good start but the ui totally sucks :)06:11
Macerheh. you can tell they tried to give it more of a mobile look to it but it doesn't work that well.06:11
Macerbut having openoffice on the n900 is awesome06:11
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* GAN900 laughs maniacally.07:11
GAN900"MeeGo Devics and MeeGo operations"07:11
GAN900Love it.07:11
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njsf_GAN900: What are you talking about?07:18
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opdf2is there a more thorough check of eMMC than fsck?07:34
opdf2or is it all good if it doesnt say anything about errors07:35
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GAN900njsf_, Ari's current position(s)07:43
GAN900Maemo Devices is MeeGo Devices now07:43
GAN900but MeeGo operations is a separate thing.07:43
njsf_Ari care to show a link ? I must admit I do not watch Ari07:43
GAN900Ari Jaaksi. . . .07:44
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njsf_GAN900: you were talking about his roles I assume07:50
njsf_I don't even understand what MeeGo operations would be.... Maybe that means he is the one to blame  if their hosting goes down :D07:51
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opdf2what is the reason why bridge_work-que is making my cpu go crazy?07:52
opdf2nm i guess it will be fixed in 1.207:53
njsf_opdf2: I am sick of waiting for 1.207:53
povbotBug 9084: Media Player [bridge_work-que] battery drain07:53
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GAN900njsf_, the funny part is that MeeGo-proper and MeeGo-Harmattan are two completely different things, but both called MeeGo07:57
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GAN900Thus the two different divisions07:57
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GAN900and the hilarity.07:58
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Macernjsf_: haha07:59
njsf_GAN900: to be honest I think I don't think I have much more patience for this Nokia stewardship, and no reason to believe Intel+Nokia will be any better07:59
Macerwhere is the changelog to 1.2?07:59
Maceri'd love to see what it adds07:59
Macerat the very least i hope it adds bt keyboard support :)08:00
GAN900njsf_, well, the fact that Intel and Nokia have to work together gives us a better base.08:00
Maceri think intel is only lending its name just so nokia can sell more intel based netbooks08:00
njsf_The platform is more open than the iPhone or Android, but not open enough to justify my putting up with the shortcomings. Specially when core parts of it are not open source, or replaceable08:00
Macerbut that's just me :)08:00
Maceri was pretty amped up when nokia was going to release a netbook then found out it is just the same old type of intel based netbook with the nokia name and was like big deal08:01
njsf_Macer: the Nokia netbook is ok for specs/battery life but not earth shattering no08:02
Macerthey probably apppleized it too where it is just the same old x86 hardware with a name so that justifies a +$200 than anything else price tag08:02
Macernjsf_: it's just a netbook :) an aspire1 would make a better choice08:02
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njsf_well it does have 3G modem built in08:03
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Macerand you can get that from your provider for free if you get a 3G plan ;)08:03
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Macera 3G modem doesn't justify a $600 price tag on the same old stuff08:04
Macernow if it were an arm based netbook that lasted 48 hours then it would be worth it08:04
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Macerwhich is kind of what i was expecting08:04
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Macerand now they "teamed up with intel" to create another linux distro? :) cmon08:04
Macerit's marketing08:04
njsf_Macer: but then they could not ship Win7 on it ;)08:04
Macernothing more.. i bet they have spent more money coming up with the name meego ;)08:05
njsf_I really don't care about netbooks08:05
Macerthey'll toss out a kernel and maybe a few drivers and allow the opensource minions to produce something worthwhile08:05
njsf_If I want a keyboard, I'll take a laptop08:05
Macernaw. i like my aspire108:05
njsf_what I want is a capable internet capable phone at all times08:05
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Macerit isn't that bad at all for what it is.. but it costs $250.. a nokia netbook is $60008:06
Macerfor a 3G modem? :)08:06
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njsf_the N900 is not fulfilling that and I do not see it do it anytime soon08:06
Maceroh i love the n900 :)08:06
njsf_I am sick of the UI delays08:06
Maceri hate the fact they decided that "it's not really a phone" type of thing was the best route08:06
njsf_and audio stuttering08:06
Macerwhere decisions like a non-portrait desktop came into effect08:07
Macerso it will stay niche :)08:07
njsf_it stutters when just dimming the screen... that is ridiculous08:07
Macerjust like n8x0s were08:07
Macerhm. i honestly haven't had any stuttering problems08:07
Macerand i've played quite a bit of audio on it08:07
njsf_well the N8x0 were not 500 bucks08:08
njsf_I have plenty of audio issues08:08
njsf_stuttering when dimming08:08
Macerhow much were n810s when they first came out?08:08
Maceri'm pretty sure they were around 350-40008:08
njsf_stuttering for the 1st min of playing an mp308:08
Macerit must be those premium 3G modems they use08:08
njsf_all the losing of preferences on the telepathy plugins08:09
Macerthey must be smelted with japenese samurai copper and hand made for ultimate reception :)08:09
njsf_haphazardly which means that you never know when it will actually connect or not to IM08:09
Macerlosing preferences on the telepathy plugins?08:09
Macercompared to the android IM stuff.. telepathy is great08:10
Maceri couldn't find a single good android jabber client for my zimbra server08:10
njsf_the ridiculous 60-120s delay to open a conversations window when you have had more than one conversation with the other person08:10
Maceri think you have a lemon08:10
Macerdid you buy it from tigerdirect? :)08:10
njsf_F. U dude. I am talking serious here08:11
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mbuffrom where can I get scratchbox2 sources?08:15
njsfI think the channel topic is very "open minded" :P "NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked" ???!!!!08:16
njsfI think my N900 will find its place on ebay. I am done08:16
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auenferr, sell your device cause a software update hasnt arrived? (it isnt even 'late' either)08:17
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auenfmaybe i'll trade my 5110 for their n90008:20
auenfthen they can complain about software updates that are only available by visiting the nokia repair centre08:21
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Surfaebay.. how sad is that08:24
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RST38hAT&T Begs For Extrajudicial Copyright Police09:03
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trumeetmo has gone crazy with the unofficial pr1.210:20
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mirsalhey :)10:28
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RST38hNo wonder10:31
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Termanatmo was crazy PRIOR to that thread. :P10:33
Chikutrumee, unofficial ?10:34
RST38hwazd moo10:34
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wazdRST38h: heya :)10:35
wazdRST38h: PR 1.2 is out? what should I press? :)10:36
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RST38hwazd: Looks like someone has leaked the chinese rom10:37
Termanawazd, the only screenshots that were provided didn't even show the About phone screen10:37
RST38hwazd: with expectable drama ensuing10:37
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wazdRST38h: yeah, cause I was seriously told that PR 1.2 is not finished yet and they've decided to tweak it for 2 more weeks or so10:37
TermanaNo one "trusted" has tested it. I'd be weary and even when someone trusted tests it - I'd still be weary10:37
* RST38h sadly notes that NOTHING like that would even take place if Maemo Devices had proper, modern update policies10:38
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RST38hWith system packages betas going into -devel for interested people to try10:38
Chikuif they want better beta stage, just released beta version for community10:39
wazdRST38h: btw, should ovi suite be copatible with n900? cause mine isn't10:39
RST38hwazd: Well there are different internal versions of this :)10:39
wazdRST38h: they alll suck :)10:39
RST38hwazd: I am not touch Ovi Suite with any of my appendages10:39
wazdRST38h: suck battery :)10:39
RST38h"Angels we have heeeard on high ... Tell us GO OUT AND BUY!"10:40
wazdRST38h: btw, are there any legal problems to not include Ti roms within Ati85? :)10:42
RST38hwazd: to include or NOT to include?10:43
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microlithWe'll all go together when we go~10:46
RST38hmicrolith: Nah, the quote of the day is "But they still go for peanuts when coated with cyanide"10:47
microlithooh, killing pigeons10:47
RST38h...and it's spring on tmo, indeed10:48
* microlith watches more people install an RC on their devices10:49
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wazdRST38h: meh, to include ofcourse, sorry :)10:52
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mbufat it says scratchbox2 is available in gitorious, but, there are only debian/ patches and not sources at; where can I find scratchbox2 sources?10:55
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arachnistmbuf: in /dev/urandom. stream data from /dev/urandom for a long enough time and you're sure to find it! ;)11:01
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mbufarachnist: how long is long? :)11:03
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* Jaffa awakes to find torrents and pandimonium on tmo11:08
microlithThe lemmings are afoot11:08
trumeethis might spur nokia to release the official version :)11:11
dottedmagtrumee: why? This leak is nice beta testing in field and no legal problems with bricked devices :)11:13
* dottedmag </cynicism>11:14
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Jaffadottedmag: Except if it is an RC there could be a good reason why _this build_ hasn't been released.11:18
Jaffadottedmag: There might not be a good (technical) reason, tho'11:18
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trumeeJaffa: so does HK version use RC as well?11:22
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wazdI wonder why people need to overclock n90011:23
Jaffatrumee: Presumably not. Was just about to see if the version numbers matched11:23
wazdit's really fast almost everywhere I go11:23
wazdRST38h: I checked out iPhone theme btw, it sucks :)11:23
Chikudid you try fennec ? fast enough?11:24
Chikuwhat about falsh11:24
trumeeso it is possible that there are RCs closer to final build than this one?11:24
wazd Chiku: why the hell would you need fenenc, when you have such an awesome built-in browser?11:25
wazdChiku: it's the best mobile browser hands down11:25
trumeewazd: are desktop firefox plugins supported by microB or do they need porting?11:26
Chikuborwser right now is worse with previous page goes though historic11:26
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wazdtrumee: well, I haven't checked that deep, but it definitely supports greasemonkey :)11:26
Chikudoes weave works on microB, fennec ?11:28
Chikuzimbra is soi slow11:29
Chikuif overclock could do browser decent speed it would be good11:29
Jaffatrumee: Theoretically, although the versions seems to match. Although I don't get how the version can be fixed for things like bugzilla but then the firmware still being tested & tweaked.11:30
JaffaVersion number policies are a hard problem, IME, though11:30
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wazdseriously, can anybody tell me if I am the only one with Ovi store login shut down?11:40
wazdn900 ovi11:41
Chikutrumee, unofficial ? <-- do you mean about the the chineses PR1.2 posted on ?11:44
trumeeChiku: yes11:44
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lardman|homehmm, 522 people looking at a single TMO thread11:48
* timoph sees people going nuts about month old unstable internal release11:49
lardman|homewell, still newer than what we have11:49
TomaszDpeople are claiming video calls works for skype which I find very, very unlikely11:50
TomaszDfor once I wish I was wrong11:50
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lardman|homeI heard rumours that video calling would be supported eventually11:51
trumeeTomaszD: i thought the claim was it does Not work for skype but only gtalk in that thread11:51
TomaszDit works for google talk11:51
lardman|homeah that was probably it11:51
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trumeei would like skype video since fring supports that11:51
trumeealso, i tried a gtalk voice call to fring E71 and it did not work11:52
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trumeebut nokia devs dont have skype code i guess11:53
trumeeskype themselves need to enable video support11:54
trumeewonder how fring does it.11:54
TomaszDskype is implemented by way of a closed-source telepathy plugin11:54
TomaszDand I guess you're right11:54
lardman|homehmm, well I hope we actually get a release at some point soon then11:55
trumeelardman: i am hoping for tuesday :)11:55
trumeeonce nokia sees this wild build.11:55
lardman|homeand I see the MeeGo conf is set for Dublin11:55
lardman|hometo go slightly ot11:56
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timophDublin sounds like a good place for it11:56
trumeewasnt meego to be released on may 111:56
trumeethe gui component11:56
lardman|hometimoph: still in the Euro-zone, but with the way Greece is going that might make is quite cheap ;)11:57
timophtrumee: doesn't sound likely that they would release something on Saturday11:57
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Chikuso now that unoffical PR1.2 works maybe nokia will released it faster? but noakia didn't release PR1.2 ?12:03
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LuciusMareHello, what API do i have to use to control the LEDs (on the back side)?12:04
Chikuit doe'sn't look like not technical delay12:04
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noobmonk3yback side?! LuciusMare ?12:05
noobmonk3yoh you mean camera led's?12:05
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noobmonk3yA dual LED ADP 1653 flash controller from Analog Devices. The associated kernel module is adp1653 (drivers/media/video/adp1653.c).12:07
* noobmonk3y blinks at the 1.2 thread - wow that downloaded fast12:07
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LuciusMare1.2 is out?12:08
Treibholzbut Overclocking to 5Ghz is safe now!12:09
Chikuit's a leack one form chinese PR12:09
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arachnistdoes it have the english language option?12:10
Chikuform people who flashed it, yes12:11
Chikubut what about chinese12:11
Chikunoone try to get chinese ? :)12:11
arachnisti guess not too many people understand <whichever of the chinese dialects are available>12:13
LuciusMareI am sure they do, for example, chinese people12:13
trumeeskype video works ?
Chikuread page 3012:13
* noobmonk3y grins12:14
noobmonk3yto flash or not to flash!12:14
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noobmonk3yLuciusMare, there is a leaked 1.212:14
Chikuare you a tester?12:15
Chikuif not just wait :)12:15
noobmonk3ylol chiku, considering it12:15
noobmonk3yjust reading that whole link12:15
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noobmonk3ywhat's the worst that can happen, i reflash lol12:15
noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer, flashed yours yet hehe12:16
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JaffaChiku: How do you know it's not a technical delay?12:17
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noobmonk3yJaffa,  :D12:18
JaffaChiku: For example, perhaps the HK N900 is a new hardware variant and the delay is because PR1.2 has some regressions on older h/w12:18
Chikuchinese fw works for other n90012:18
JaffaChiku: Ah, in the last 24 hours you've done extensive QA? ;-p12:19
noobmonk3ywell - i tjhink i'm gonna go test :P12:20
noobmonk3ymy keyboard is buggered12:20
* noobmonk3y blames 1.212:20
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ChikuAt bootup it chose Finnish as a language for me. So most probably Italian should be there too!  <-- hum hum12:21
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noobmonk3ylets hope you speak finish ;)12:24
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ChikuNo Chinese language support apparently.... <-- lol so it seems no chinese PR12:24
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Shapeshifterdoes someone know why nokia doesn't do "public beta" testing? It's a concept that would work quite well with the public bug tracker and an active community.12:25
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ShapeshifterI mean, with the reason for the pending release being "testing". It is always true that the more people are using some software, the higher the probability that a bug is encountered.12:26
JaffaShapeshifter: Because every single tmo noob would install it; not report bugs and just whine.12:26
JaffaShapeshifter: Although for PR1.1, Nokia did do a limited public beta test12:27
JaffaShapeshifter: I dunno why they've not done that.12:27
Jaffas/public/non-Nokia private/12:27
ShapeshifterJaffa: well they're whining already, public beta or not ;)12:27
JaffaShapeshifter: True - but I can ignore them now ;-)12:27
Chikujaffa are talking about all open  source community which released beta versions ?12:28
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JaffaChiku: No, I'm talking about the kind of person who sees a thread like "overclock your N900" and thinks "goody!", but then needs hand-holding; doesn't understand the risks and blames Nokia/Maemo/everyone else when things go wrong12:28
ShapeshifterI was thinking more of what microsoft did with win7 and so on. though with the karma system, it would be easy to just give a beta to everyone with more then 500 thanks or so12:29
noobmonk3ynot a bad idea12:30
ShapeshifterJaffa: yeah but legally they can't blame any of them, and I doubt the image of nokia would suffer if some idiot fries his device.12:30
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Shapeshifterand it's almost impossible to irreversably brick it (except maybe by frying it).12:30
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Chikuhum people reported skype video call works12:31
JaffaShapeshifter: I like the karma idea12:31
Shapeshifterin any case, the number of available testers would drastically increase. I always see software makers test their software for months and then release it just to see the 10000% increase in userbase reveal countless bugs12:32
trumeeChiku: i dont use skype, mostly sip. But if skype video workes, i will enable it on my phone12:34
trumeedoes skype make your phone a supernode as well like the desktop client12:34
Chikusip supports video?12:34
* noobmonk3y is flashing ;) - why not ;)12:35
trumeeChiku: unfortunately not12:35
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trumeeChiku: the N900 sip client doesn't. although sip protocol itself does12:35
noobmonk3ywell that was quick and painless12:36
ShapeshifterChiku: xmpp does though. It already does in the current version if you get called but it's pretty broken. I think nokia forgot to remove the video support.12:36
Chikusip uses xmpp protocal?12:36
trumeenoobmonk3y: now, you can tell us about it here :)12:36
Shapeshifterthey're unrelated. But xmpp is a good alternative to skype these days12:37
noobmonk3yjust setting it up12:37
Chikudoes pidgin supports video?12:37
ShapeshifterChiku: yes12:37
Chikupidgin on n900 ?12:37
Shapeshifterdon't know12:37
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trumeedoes pidgin support video on desktop? kopete doesn't i think12:38
noobmonk3yfreaky deaky!12:39
noobmonk3yget a text from nokia after flashing!12:39
zashtrumee: it does with xmpp12:39
Shapeshiftertrumee: indeed it does12:39
noobmonk3y105mb free in rootfs lol!!!12:39
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trumeezash, Shapeshifter you mean pidgin not kopete?12:39
Shapeshiftertrumee: yes12:39
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deloris it possible to get qt4.6 on n900?12:42
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Chikunoobmonk3y, so is it a RC one?12:44
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noobmonk3ydoesnt say that anywhere12:46
noobmonk3yjust reinstalling backup12:46
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Chikulet's see now whan the official one will be released since the unofficial is out and works12:52
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noobmonk3ytakes ages to restore everything!12:52
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Chikuwhat about extra devel repos?12:52
noobmonk3yooo fcucksocks, forgot to save the debs for joiku and prismic12:52
noobmonk3ydunno at the mo - it's restoring still12:53
* SpeedEvil ponders asking what unofficial one Chiku meant, then notes the topic.12:53
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fralshmm, is it even legal to mirror the firmware12:55
fralslike someone has done with the hk one?12:55
ShadowJKprobably not? :)12:56
Chikuit doesn't seem the hk one since there no chinese language12:56
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wazdwtf is wrong with ovi12:57
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ShadowJKBut you know, regardless if you're a movie company, tv company or software company, your stuff is twice as likely to get copied if you restrict availability :)12:57
Chikuwhat are you doing wityh ovi ? there are nothing for n900 on ovi :p12:57
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* noobmonk3y grins12:58
wazdChiku: well, angrybirds and stuff :)12:58
* noobmonk3y prods frals 12:58
fralsbe nice if that "unofficial" image nukes nolo on reboot12:58
SpeedEvilI played out the additional level pack that I accidentally downloaded. I'd _love_ to pay for it12:58
Chikuwhat frals means ?12:58
SpeedEvilnokia bootloader12:59
trumeenoobmonk3y: what is prismic!12:59
noobmonk3ywould rather it didn't12:59
noobmonk3ywallpaper manager trumee12:59
SpeedEvilI got to the point I was going for 'four star' ways to beat the levels12:59
noobmonk3ymeh infobot is on holiday12:59
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SpeedEvilPrismic is the shape of a prism innit.12:59
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noobmonk3yovi maps 3 installed13:01
Chikuwith voice one?13:01
noobmonk3yvoice one?13:02
Chikuthe one for symbian13:02
* noobmonk3y is confuzzled13:02
trumeeplaying mp3 takes lot of cpu, hate it13:02
trumeepulseaudio takes 25 percent when playing mp313:03
noobmonk3yhmmm maybe it's just new maps13:03
noobmonk3ywill check it in a sec13:03
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trumeestuttering happens when microb needs resoirces13:03
* noobmonk3y winders why frals is so quiet this morning13:04
* noobmonk3y wonders too13:04
trumeeis that the processor so weak that mp3 cause it to stutter13:04
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trumeeor do i need to reduce the bitrate of mp3s13:04
SpeedEviltrumee: 25% of 250MHz - have you got 125MHz enabled?13:04
ShadowJKNo it's usually IO that blocks it, not CPU13:04
SpeedEvilAnd I've never seen teh stock mp3 thingy skip with load13:05
SpeedEvilother than IO13:05
ShadowJKAmusingly streaming mp3 over http/shoutcast stutters less13:05
Chikunoobmonk3y, Voice navigation?13:05
trumeeSpeedEvil: i didnt not enable anything, stock kernel/firmware13:06
* noobmonk3y doesnt have a clue - restore still going lol13:06
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trumeeShadowJK: maybe i should stream rather than play from disk13:06
SpeedEviltrumee: were you doing anything else other than microb?13:06
trumeeSpeedEvil: xchat13:07
SpeedEviltrumee: or had you been running microb for a long time, or with heavy pages so it might have gone  into swap?13:07
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trumeeSpeedEvil: also, was opening an email13:07
trumeeSpeedEvil: trying to load images in an email13:08
ShadowJKthe whole mafw/media player and pulseaudio setup is a bit misdesigned if there aren't sufficient bffering in it :/13:08
SpeedEviltrumee: that could be quite heavy on IO - I guess that does it13:08
SpeedEvilShadowJK: yeah - it really needs a couple of buffering settings.13:08
SpeedEvilShadowJK: ~1.5s for most streaming stuff, and ~.1s for games13:08
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trumeeShadowJK: why do we need pulseaudio, why cant we use alsa alone13:09
ShadowJKI'm not particulary keen on the idea of having settings, it should Just Work(TM)13:09
SpeedEvilalsa alone won't mix stuff smoothly13:09
ShadowJKtrumee: dmix is broken, and volume per app doesn't work13:09
deloris qt4.6.2 usable only in SDK Scratchbox?13:09
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ShadowJKI'd say 1s output buffer and 10s input buffer for music13:10
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SpeedEviltrumee: If you can replicate it - then report it as a bug13:10
ShadowJKdelor: qt4.6 will arrive to n900 with the next firmware release. Nokia does not announce dates in advance.13:10
Chikuwhich version is on PR1.1.1?13:12
trumeei might have to return my N900 bcause of this bug
povbotBug 10074: Three UK ISP, 3g data connections stops working after few minutes13:13
wall[e]anyone want to use speech recognition with qtirreco?13:13
SpeedEviltrumee: Have you called Nokia Care?13:13
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trumeeSpeedEvil: no i haven't. how do i do that?13:14
ShadowJKmy Operator used to be like that too, and the other operator I had was rock stable with the same device (E70)13:14
wall[e]or flash PR1.2HK?13:14
delorShadowJK, thx13:14
fralsnice 60second timeout between you can report posts :<13:15
trumeeShadowJK: it is a problem of network?13:15
trumeeSpeedEvil: thanks13:15
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Chikuqt4.6 supports multitouch even on resitive screen right?13:16
ShadowJKtrumee: if you ask the network they blame Nokia, if you ask Nokia they show you your phone working perfectly on another network and blame your operator.. or atleast that has been my experience :)13:16
ShadowJKbut add your vote to that bug anyway13:16
ShadowJKif you're exoeriencing the same thing13:17
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trumeeShadowJK: i am the reporter of that bug :)13:17
ShadowJKoh :)13:17
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ShadowJKis there nobody else on three in uk..13:18
Chikutrumee, after flashed your phone you still got this problem?13:18
trumeeShadowJK: what network your were having problem with?13:18
trumeeChiku: yes. i flashed just to test for that bug13:19
ShadowJKSaunalahti in .fi. DNAFinland was rock solid on same device.13:19
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ChikuAfter flashed it NO more problem13:19
RST38bismooo, ShadowJK13:19
ShadowJKmeow13:19 down?13:19
fralsit seems so yes13:20
TuukkaDoesn't respond for me13:20
Chikuphone call stops around 1min and lost operator connexion,... something it worked fine13:20
* RST38bis notices that andrewfblack seemingly broke more thngs than he fixed in his latest minimalist tmo theme13:20
djdmYep, I'm getting tmo down, too13:20
trumeeThere is somebody else who reported this on tmo13:21
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RST38bisTuukka: sacrifice more virgins!13:21
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Chikutmo down happend often right?13:21
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trumeeseems everybody is after pr1.2 :p13:21
TuukkaI'll be waiting for the official release13:22
djdmOh, tmo has given me a database error13:22
ShadowJKrst38h: jump to first new post still broken?13:22
noobmonk3yanyone know where to find the thread with the links to the "clear icons" for the desktop13:23
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noobmonk3ytis a mare trying to refind all this customizing malarky13:23
RST38bisShadowJK: dunno, I am mostly pissed off at the layout13:23
Tuukkaclear icons = no gray background??13:24
TuukkaI'd like that too13:24
noobmonk3ytis in the mammoth old customize thread somewhere13:24
noobmonk3yjust replaced a file on the device13:24
noobmonk3ybut finding it is a pain13:24
TuukkaDoes it work for 3rd party apps aswell=13:24
RST38bisShadowJK: guy can't just avoid the lure of designing "nice" visual elements like bubbles etc13:24
t-tantwo version of Qt4.6.2 get installed on PR1.2. bad for memory footprint...13:25
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RST38biseven although they are  ugly, big, and useless13:25
noobmonk3ystill got 98mb free in rootfs after re-installing my backups!13:25
ShadowJKSometimes I just want a plain text interface because a) it works b) the revolutionary invention of wordwrap makes it scale ;p13:25
ShadowJKt-tan: wtf? :)13:25
RST38bisShadowJK: Google Reader Mobile UI is pretty decent13:26
t-tanShadowJK: the one from Nokia and qt-maemo5*13:26
noobmonk3yKhertan, your repo down?13:26
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RST38bisSo, just copying that should do the job13:26
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ShadowJKt-tan: what versions are they?13:27
Tuukkatalk back online13:27
* Jaffa wonders how long it'll be before rumours of tmo being down are blamed on Nokia wanting to contain the PR1.2 leak :-/13:27
RST38biscant complain with tmo down13:28
t-tanfor example, ii  libqt4-gui                    4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5 Qt 4 GUI module13:28
t-tanii  libqt4-maemo5-gui             4.6.2~git20100212-0maemo1     Qt 4 GUI module13:28
ShadowJKwtf :)13:28
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fralsJaffa: "omg nokia took down because of pr1.2 leak!!!!!"13:29
fralst-tan: -maem5 is the old one from devel aint it?13:30
RST38bist-tan: you have got a package that wants the older qt version13:30
fils-mauditIsn't maemo the OS who stole everything to Moblin ?13:30
RST38bisyes it is13:30
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Jaffafrals: Eeek?!13:30
RST38bisand it is worse than iphone.13:30
RST38bisgo masturbate over that now.13:30
fralsJaffa: ;D13:31
trumeeShadowJK: this chap had the same problem
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RST38bisJaffa: see, if you suggest nicely, they obey13:31
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ShadowJKRST38bis, hm huh, im getting no ballons/lines/crap compared to before13:32
Triztany news about pr
ShadowJKand fontsize is sensible-ish on n81013:32
ShadowJKand jump to first new works13:32
t-tanok, found out that only autodisconnect and ses depend on the old Qt version.13:32
RST38bisShadowJK: every message in a thread shows up in a baloon13:33
* ShadowJK wonders if the .css failed to load13:33
ShadowJKYeah I don't get that13:33
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ShadowJKI get name | number | date | report13:34
ShadowJKminimalist and nice.13:35
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RST38bismaybe I am usiing the wrong minimalist???13:37
ShadowJKoh yeah, minimalist dark has the bubbles13:38
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noobmonk3ywohoooo device back to normal13:46
ShadowJKThe new minimalist light makes browsing tmo on n900 a not-painful experience again13:50
ShadowJKas far as browsing goes :013:50
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Tuukkanoobmonk3y, Thanks!14:03
noobmonk3ynp :D14:04
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* MohammadAG thought everyone hated him with no email for 5 days, turns out modest removed its own settings...14:05
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noobmonk3yfrals, Healthcheck 1.2.0-0 ready to go, with you guessed it - PR1.2 readyness ;) hehehe14:05
* MohammadAG kicks noobmonk3y 14:05
* noobmonk3y grins14:05
wall[e]i guess pr1.2hk just kill m.o ?14:06
noobmonk3yoh tmo!14:06
noobmonk3ythink so14:06
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wall[e]better get some food waiting :S14:06
MohammadAGoh tmo14:07
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Tuukkawhich theme is alpha nad which beta?14:09
TuukkaI'm using digital nature.14:10
MohammadAGalpha's the blue 114:10
Tuukkak, thanks!14:10
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fralsi wonder how the spam about leakedfw affect nokias view on maemo.org14:10
noobmonk3yfrals, where it is leaked doesnt really matter14:10
noobmonk3ywasnt tmo's fault14:10
noobmonk3yeven if it was a tweet - it woulda been out quick14:11
fralsthe fact its getting spammed there might14:11
noobmonk3ylol that just depends how childish nokia is ;)14:11
noobmonk3yright, time for a big fat fryup14:11
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PhonicUKalo all14:15
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TuukkaWhat software should i use to compress my boot video? What settings?14:18
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wazdanybody's interested in developing shortcut bar status applet for n900? :)14:23
MohammadAG__there is one afaik14:23
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nid0so yeah, just back home after being out a couple of days, can anyone sum up the 650-post 1.2 "released" thread for me?14:25
fralssomeone linked the hk release fw14:26
anotnacits global variant leak not HK14:26
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nid0so that's a leaked version of the legit fw image?14:27
Jaffawazd: Shortcut? For apps?14:27
wazdJaffa: yep14:27
Jaffanid0: It seems to be a leaked version of *a* legit fw image.14:27
wazdJaffa: like mini dock14:27
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Jaffanid0: It may not be the one which is released to the world14:27
Jaffawazd: Seen the one which already exists?14:27
wazdJaffa: nope, how it's called?14:28
wazdJaffa: I honestly searched14:28
wazdoh, that's nice, thanks Jaffa :)14:28
Jaffawazd: np14:28
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wazdwhat's so dramatical bout PR 1.2 btw?14:37
wazdhaven't seen that much bugs and stuff yet14:38
wazdmicrob crashed once, chromium crashed once, portrait mode everywhere once, that's kinda all :)14:38
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TuukkaNot much really... Few nice new features and some bug fixes14:39
wazdI wonder why ovi's down14:39
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Nomadoes anyone have the conversations-problem with the leaked pr1.2? received messages don't get archived, i still can receive and send messages, but can't find them anywhere afterwards14:40
Tuukkawazd, ovi is working fine for me14:40
wazdTuukka: hmmm14:40
jacekowskinobody ripped 1.2 from HK n900?14:40
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Chikunope it's not hk one14:40
wazdTuukka: authorisation is down for me both from n900, e63 and PC14:40
Tuukkadid you use the shortcut in the menu?14:41
wazdTuukka: does it matter? :D14:41
Tuukkamaybe? Dunno14:41
MohammadAG_jacekowski, it was leaked14:41
wazdTuukka: I tell you, it says that authorizations servers are down, check back later. From PC too14:42
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jacekowskiany download link?14:43
Tuukkacheck the threat in talk14:43
jacekowskiwell, i have small problem with that link14:44
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jacekowskii don't understand that language and i've got no idea where to click14:44
jacekowskiwe are talking about
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Tuukkait's the same file, it has been hosted to multiple sites14:45
Nomaso no one here has the conversations-problem?14:45
MohammadAGseriously if you're leaking something leak it as a tar.gz14:46
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Tuukka* away, playing Mass Effect 214:47
wall[e]tmo is so dead14:47
jacekowskiif anybody is interested14:48
Nomais there some way to reset the conversations-app or its settings completely?14:48
jacekowskiNoma: probably removing folder from your ~/14:48
Nomawhat folder?14:49
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jacekowskiremove them all14:50
jacekowski( disclaimer, if something else will disappear it's your problem )14:50
Nomait's maybe my problem in any case after i've flashed some leaked firmware from unknown source :D14:51
MohammadAGOh crap, I almost forgot /opt is cleared14:52
MohammadAGjacekowski, not being an arse or anything, but isn't it illegal to share the file?14:53
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MohammadAG(ignoring the torrents and other leaks obviously)14:54
jacekowskido you really think i care?14:54
t-tanjacekowski: be careful with posting copyrighted material...14:54
jacekowskii mean it's publicly avaliable anyways14:54
jacekowskiso nobody would bother to do anything about it14:55
mikki-kunhi uhm... i wanted to remove the preinstalled games on my n900 and found some pkgs with "apt-cache pkgnames | grep $STRING_FROM_GAMETITLE"... would it be safe for me to just remove then those?14:55
mikki-kunok, thanks :)14:55
t-tanjacekowski: most DVDs+CDs are "publically" available but it is not legal to distribute them14:55
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jacekowskiyeah, but you have to pay for dvd's14:56
jacekowskithat's free14:56
Nomai don't think nokia would care about this14:57
t-tanjacekowski: when the Nokia legal department contacts you it's no longer free...14:57
Nomaactually they get a lot of beta-testers here and they all do the flashing completely at their own risk14:57
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Treibholzhmm, why is there no sqlite3 module for python in the sdk?15:00
jacekowskit-tan: imagine that case would go to court15:00
jacekowskit-tan: they would have to prove that i caused them any loses15:00
MohammadAGI'm still wondering who leaked it15:01
jacekowskiit's probably rip from hk version15:02
* MohammadAG looks at infobot 15:02
wall[e]is it possible that nokia just want massive testers w/o paid and chance of being sued?15:02
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t-tanjacekowski: I don't know where you're living but in most developed countries copyright infringement itself is criminal15:03
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jacekowskit-tan: it is but i'll get probation in worst case scenario15:05
jacekowskit-tan: if they will manage to link that back to me15:06
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Treibholzsqlite3 is there, but I cannot import it...15:10
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mikki-kunÖ.ö why does "mymenu" need the 4 games which i just uninstalled?!15:14
mikki-kunany way i could edit the packages ebuild?15:14
jacekowski there is no ebuilds on maemo15:15
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mikki-kunhm, then what would be the adaptation of ebuild on maemo?15:15
Treibholzebuild... that would take AGES15:15
mikki-kuncause i just want mymenu not those games -.-15:15
Treibholzmikki-kun: maemo uses dpkg15:15
Triztwhihc games are you trying to get rid of? the ones that comes with maemo5?15:16
mikki-kunand i got rid of em15:17
Chikuabout VANILLA EMMC image do you flash it before or after COMBINED one ?15:17
* lcuk prods noobmonk3y back15:17
Triztit's a maemo dependncy, each time you make some install those will come back15:17
* noobmonk3y waves15:17
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mikki-kunthat is... f'd up...15:18
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Treibholzmikki-kun: same happens in gentoo, when you update soure ebuild-repository...15:19
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Treibholzmikki-kun: and you don't need a compiler!15:19
mikki-kunany way of blacklisting those packages?15:19
Treibholzmikki-kun: when they are a hard dependency, it will be hard.15:20
Treibholzmikki-kun: which package?15:20
mikki-kunmymenu would be now the package which causes them to get installed15:21
Treibholz# apt-cache show mymenu15:21
TreibholzW: Unable to locate package mymenu15:21
TreibholzE: No packages found15:21
Treibholzthe packages in maemo do not have the same quality, as in Debian...15:21
Treibholzthey also write in /home/user/, which is pretty ugly.15:22
gevaertsmikki-kun: you could try equivs15:22
MohammadAG/home/opt not /home/user15:23
* Treibholz would say: Fuck the games! There is enough space!15:23
mikki-kunTreibholz: to me "apt-cache showpkg mymenu" shows something entirely different15:23
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TreibholzMohammadAG: e.g.: dpkg -L adblock-plus-1.015:25
mikki-kunhow do i install a specific version number of a package?15:26
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javispedroTreibholz: "maemo is different"15:26
Treibholzmikki-kun: man apt-get15:26
Treibholzapt-get install pkg [ { =pkg_version_number | /target_release_name | /target_release_codename } ]15:27
mikki-kunwould love having "man" on the n90015:27
Treibholzmikki-kun: yes... this is maybe one of the most stupid ideas they had, removing the manpages...15:28
Treibholzthis thing has 32GB of space an the remove ~10MB manpages...15:28
mikki-kunthey take space... but space which is used for something goof15:28
javispedronot for the average user, which will never read them...15:29
mikki-kuni rahter have 4MB man's than 4MB of nonsense games...15:29
Treibholzjavispedro: I don't know any "average user", that owns a n900.15:29
mikki-kunlol :D15:29
javispedroI know a thousand of them15:29
javispedroThey're now fleeing like lemmings to their bittorrent clients.15:30
javispedrolook at the active topics in talk.maemo.org15:30
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* SpeedEvil wonders if anyones gone over this image for 'fun'.15:32
* javispedro wonders if "RELEASED" on the topic title is doing more damange15:32
SpeedEvilLike a leetle daemon that mails all your contact info.15:32
SpeedEvilOr installs a keylogger searching for cc15:32
javispedroThere have sooooooooooooooooooooo many times I would like to do that ;P15:32
javispedroCause it would be _trivial_ for anyone to create their own fscked up PR1.2 image with half SDK components and half previous image components15:33
SpeedEvilOr working accellerometer switching - but upside-down.15:33
javispedroand also add in any "extra" applications and features15:33
SpeedEviloverclock kernel of course15:34
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javispedroa little daemon sending "special" sms to all contacts15:34
mikki-kunw00t? now that is odd... when the pkg-manager is running (the one you use with your finger) you can't override the lockfile even with the root-acc?15:35
ShadowJKmaybe some mod could change released to 'leaked'15:35
mikki-kunmake me feel kind of like "sorry root, but user is more powerful than you"15:35
noobmonk3yhealthcheck now reads the version as PR 1.2 - Leaky Release15:35
gevaertsmikki-kun: you can kill the thing15:36
mikki-kuni know, but still kind of... "odd"15:36
b-mani wonder how Nokia feels about that PR1.2 image being leaked :P15:36
gevaertsIt's accessing the same data, overriding the lockfile would lead to "interesting" situations15:36
Termanagod, how long must I suffer from the discussion of the leaked PR 1.2?15:36
Termana/ignore whole-room15:37
* gevaerts looks for a room15:37
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* gevaerts doesn't see any room15:37
Treibholzmikki-kun: that's normal.15:37
mikki-kunyeah, maybe i got too used of seperating user and root15:37
* Termana slaps gevaerts with an n900 and says he doesn't care15:38
mikki-kunhere on this box i haven't even sudo installed15:38
TermanaPoor n90015:38
gevaertsmikki-kun: it has *nothing* to do with separating user and root, and *everything* with maintaining data integrity15:38
Treibholzmikki-kun: apt-get install sudo15:38
ShadowJKb-man: it was one of the biggest booze weekends of the year in .fi. If they're like me they're still too hungover to care.15:38
zokierbesides the app-manager probably runs as root too15:38
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Treibholzmikki-kun: here it was preinstalled...15:38
mikki-kunTreibholz: here on gentoo i apt-get myself to death :D15:38
Treibholzmikki-kun: ahh, you don't use sudo normally?15:39
mikki-kunnot at all anymore15:39
mikki-kunkind of made the n900 in the beginning a small mystery of how to "su" there15:39
* Treibholz even took away root's password, so I can only become root with a key or with sudo.15:40
mikki-kunwhat is actually the root-pw for the n900? Ö.ö15:40
Treibholzmikki-kun: set it.15:40
Treibholzsudo gainroot15:41
javispedroit has no rootpw.15:41
Treibholzwhich is good.15:41
Treibholzroot doesn't need a password!15:41
mikki-kunahhh, so i even need to set that... just curious, how was somebody able to get root if this account isn't accesible15:41
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javispedrodon't see any reason for either "yes" or "no".15:41
Treibholzmikki-kun: via sudo.15:41
mikki-kunmeh, my typing is really bad today >.<15:42
mikki-kunwhoah, sudo -i is way faster than sudo gainroot15:42
* Stskeeps yawns15:42
MohammadAG<b-man> i wonder how Nokia feels about that PR1.2 image being leaked :P15:43
MohammadAGsomeone's being tortured for doing it15:43
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Treibholzbecause of this broken SDK, I have to develop on my real device...15:44
b-man|n900MohammadAG: or loosing their job lol15:44
* b-man|n900 develops on his n900 all the time15:45
noobmonk3ywhat are the chances that the leaky release is bugged, not healthcheck :|15:46
TermanaMohammadAG, wrong company15:46
MohammadAGand how exactly do you compile :P15:46
* noobmonk3y will file a bug report under leaky release version ;)15:46
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Treibholzgrrr and MyDocs as vfat is also stupid!15:46
MohammadAGTermana, lol, Apple's basically the same15:46
MohammadAGall companies do the same15:46
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MohammadAGTreibholz, get rid of them15:47
MohammadAGyou'll lose your camera, but meh, who needs one15:47
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: I know that was the case early-on. As I understand it now that's fixed.15:47
javispedroTreibholz: broken SDK?15:47
Treibholzjavispedro: sqlite3 module for python is not working.15:48
javispedroTreibholz: have you noticed that you're running python2.3?15:48
javispedroTreibholz: run python2.515:48
Treibholzuhh.... where is that coming from? :-)15:49
b-manpython2.3 is _old_15:49
javispedropython2.3 comes from scratchbox itself; it's run native instead of emulated15:49
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, fixed? how?15:51
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: I'm unsure. I sidestepped it. I made myDocs 4G15:52
SpeedEviland vfat15:52
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, and the rest?15:53
Chikudoes zsh package exists for meamo?15:53
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: the rest as an ext2 in /home/user/data/15:53
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MohammadAGoh, not for opt then15:53
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SpeedEvilno - /home/ is still 2G as stock15:53
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Chikuthere is file system for flash device?15:54
PerfDaveThere's JFFS15:54
SpeedEvilPerfDave: jffs is raw-flash only, as is ubifs15:54
lirakisnice ... pr1.2 rc leaked15:55
SpeedEvilPerfDave: that is - they could only be used on the 256M device - not the 32G - which has an internal flas thransaction layer, and presents as more or less a 'hard disk'.15:55
ShadowJKLogFS would be nice15:55
ShadowJKif it ever becomes ready :)15:55
Treibholznilfs :-)15:55
gevaertsSpeedEvil: well, they *can* be used there with some hoops, but it's an extremely pointless thing to do15:56
MohammadAGlirakis, nothing nice about it :)15:56
SpeedEvilgevaerts: debatably.15:56
lirakisMohammadAG, why is that?15:56
SpeedEvilgevaerts: some of the ubifs features may do positive stuff even on an emulated block device. I haven't looked into this in enough data.15:56
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ShadowJKnilfs2 is nice in performance, but the GC behaviour is battery and wear unfriendly15:57
ayanesHi there15:57
MohammadAGlirakis, clue's in your sentence leaked15:57
lirakiswhy is it bad that it is "leaked"15:57
Treibholzhmm, my script works on the original, device and breaks the calendar in the sdk...15:58
MohammadAGlirakis, cause 1. It's a test image, 2. someone leaked it15:59
MohammadAGI'm more worried about 2 right now15:59
lirakisi dont see a problem with getting it out there.  i wish nokia were more open with the whole process instead of keeping quiet about firmware and features until they launch16:00
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fralswould be nice to have a filter for all this pr1.2 leak16:00
fralsso i dont have to see it everywhere16:01
MohammadAGfrals, indeed16:01
lirakisif nokia didnt try be apple with it... it would be such a talked about thing16:01
MohammadAGfrals, #maemo1.1.1 :P16:01
jacekowskiMohammadAG: you are from israel?16:02
squiddfrals: /ignore #maemo perhaps?16:02
MohammadAGjacekowski, yeah16:02
fralslirakis: you honestly think the maemo5 updates are comparable to how apple handle iphone os?16:02
lirakisfrals, no16:02
fralssquidd: ye, problem is id miss the few good things that comes out of this channel :p16:02
lirakisi mean that nokia tries to keep all info etc. on lockdown16:03
gevaertslirakis: how do you know this is an unmodifire PR1.2 (RC) leak?16:03
nid0what info? the only info thats "on lockdown" is a release date16:03
fralsabout release dates because its a business decision - id say they are getting pretty open about bugzilla stuff etc16:03
fralsgevaerts: they dont16:03
squiddfrals: some sacrifices has to be made16:03
lirakisi dont understand what the big deal is... just tell people - yeah .. we are working on features x,y,z and it will be out on blah.  you can d/l nightly builds at ... foo16:03
fralssquidd: true, atm it seems worth ignoring the whole chan :<16:04
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nid0x,y,z are all clearly visible in the pr1.2 changelog and bugzilla16:04
fralslirakis: you can download the latest builds of all foss code at maemo.gitorious.org16:04
nid0blah cant be given because 1) its still being tested and 2) as frals said, business decision16:04
* timeless_mbp cries16:04
timeless_mbphey guys?16:04
nid0foo = maemo.ghitorious.org16:04
fralss/all/most/ maybe16:04
* lirakis sighs and walks away16:04
fralssup timeless_mbp16:04
timeless_mbpis there an easy package one can depend on to enforce 'does not install on pre 1.2'?16:04
jacekowskiwell, thing with nightly builds is that 99% of them don't work16:05
Trizthi timeless_mbp16:05
timeless_mbpi have a package which will destroy a pre 1.2 system16:05
timeless_mbphi Trizt16:05
fralstimeless_mbp: fremantle-pr >= blabla?16:05
timeless_mbpfrals: that's often removed by users16:05
gevaertstimeless_mbp: then your package will reinstall it :)16:05
timeless_mbpgevaerts: nope16:05
timeless_mbpsince it isn't generally available16:06
timeless_mbpi can use tablet-browser-controls iirc16:06
timeless_mbpbut that's kinda stupid16:06
timeless_mbpTrizt: so um, i think you might have been offered 0.1-816:06
timeless_mbpif you were, that's unfortunate16:06
timeless_mbpas it's dangerous16:06
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ShadowJKalso there are different femantle-pr packages on different variants16:06
ShadowJKalthough a package depending on generic global firmware is a cute idea16:07
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Jaffatimeless_mbp: libhildon16:07
Jaffatimeless_mbp: there's also a maemo-version (or something), IIRC16:07
timeless_mbpJaffa: no packages matching maemo-v*16:07
Trizttimeless_mbp; that one I upgraded to over a week ago if I recall it right16:07
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timeless_mbpJaffa: libhildon1 ?16:08
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Trizttimeless_mbp; so what does it break?16:08
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timeless_mbpTrizt: so the idiots running the "platform"16:09
timeless_mbpdon't understand that you can't randomly change the meaning of a string identifier16:09
timeless_mbpwe do things like sprintf(random_string, integer)16:09
timeless_mbpbut if the random string in a future version is  "%d %s" instead of "%d"16:09
Chikutmo thread is closed16:09
Triztoh, that's a bad thing, you had a sauna party where they decided this?16:10
timeless_mbpTrizt: "thinking" isn't necessary in this group16:10
timeless_mbpso it generally isn't done16:10
Trizttimeless_mbp; sounds like you have the same people working for you as we do16:11
ZogG_N900steve  jobs is suing person that leaked pr1.2 )16:11
timeless_mbpJaffa: so, <= 2.2.4 means 1.1.1 or older?16:11
timeless_mbplibhildon1 has a much higher version for 1.216:11
javispedrotimeless: "maemo release"16:11
Jaffatimeless_mbp: Yeah, think so.16:11
Jaffatimeless_mbp: 2.2.10 is the 1.2 one16:11
Jaffajavispedro: ta16:12
ZogG_N900maemo release ?16:12
timeless_mbpjavispedro: i don't have that package?16:12
timeless_mbponly maemo-ringtone?16:12
javispedrooh, it might be sdk only.16:12
timeless_mbpthat's helpful!16:12
javispedroindeed... :P16:13
ZogG_N900btw is maemo sdk in ubuntu repo?16:13
ZogG_N900and is nokia qt sdk in any repo?16:13
timeless_mbpmaemo sdk is partially closed16:13
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ZogG_N900flash is closed and nvidia driver closed a lot of things are closed so what16:14
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wazdtimeless_mbp: microb is freaking awesome browser :)16:14
wazdtimeless_mbp: just wanted to say this personally :)16:15
ZogG_N900th3hate, israel?16:15
timeless_mbpZogG: some repositories aren't big fans of hosting closed stuff16:15
ZogG_N900so is it no for sure?16:17
javispedrotimeless: seems it's not on device indeed. ideally you should depend on the exact component whose older version causes troubles -- to prevent people like me who have updated libhildon but not rest of the system install it.16:17
jacekowskiso what's the problem16:18
jacekowskithat's how most people do it16:18
jacekowskidepend on specific version or version higher than16:18
jacekowskiwell, depending on higher than fails very often when somebody makes changes that break api16:18
gevaertsI'd conflict with the older version16:19
jacekowskinot really16:20
jacekowskibecause dependencies would upgrade it16:20
massoudhey there, i am trying to get "mobilehotspot" to work on my n900 to share my 3g connexions but doesn t work16:20
massoudhas anyone got this package to work on n900 ?16:20
timeless_mbpjacekowski: the problem is that the devs/managers are idiots16:21
wazdtimeless_mbp: have you heard bout any Ovi store problems recently?16:21
Triztmassoud; did you reboot your n900 after install of the kernel?16:21
timeless_mbpi'm shipping a localization package that replaces strings for the entire platform16:21
timeless_mbpbut i'm not shipping one package per package16:21
timeless_mbpi tried that for the n800/n810, it was hell16:21
timeless_mbpa huge waste of resources16:21
timeless_mbpwazd: perhaps. share?16:21
massoudTrizt: what do you mean ? i didn t install a new kernel, just the mobilehotspot package16:21
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: i would make something that automaticaly builds subpackages16:22
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Trizttimeless_mbp; can't you make the official English instead? so it's a good one from starters?16:22
timeless_mbpTrizt: been there, tried that, 'no'16:22
wazdtimeless_mbp: I can't login to ovi from any device or PC righ now16:22
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: and one metapackage that depends on all subpackages16:22
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: and each subpackage would depend on specific version16:22
wazdtimeless_mbp: it says that authorization service is temporary down16:22
timeless_mbpjacekowski: that way leads to madness16:22
timeless_mbpi did it for the n800/n81016:22
timeless_mbpit's a huge amount of overhead16:22
Triztmassoud; for the mobilehotspot requires a different kernel than the default one, and to change kernel you need to reboot16:22
timeless_mbpand it requires actually recognizing when the idiots broke each package16:23
timeless_mbpwhich might be secret info16:23
wazdtimeless: tried from e63, n900 and PC16:23
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Triztwazd; did login with SeaMonkey 2.0.4 without any troubles16:24
massoudTrizt: how should i update my kernel the cleanest way ?16:24
timeless_mbpjacekowski: i have code pending which would be able to deal w/ this16:24
massoudTrizt: I am running "Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap" currently16:24
Triztmassoud; install the kernel-power package, reboot the phone after successful install16:25
th3hateyes zogG16:25
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* Trizt hates the following message from ovi files: 'Oops... Your computer isn't set up correctly.'16:27
Trizttimeless_mbp; how do I downgrade to a safe translation?16:28
timeless_mbpTrizt: force install 0.1-7 for now16:28
timeless_mbpi'll have a proper 0.1-7/0.1-8 up in a few mins16:29
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squiddtalk.maemo has great admins :P16:33
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squiddclosed that pr1.2 topic16:33
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Khertan_n900Hi !16:35
sandstormwhat can I do if my system locks up for some reason and I cant access anything in order to soft reset my system such as doing shutdown -h now on terminal ?16:35
Khertan_n900hum maybe change the topics :)16:35
squiddwhats wrong in the topic? :O16:36
Khertan_n900no pr1.2 yet16:36
squiddI suppose thats still true?16:36
Khertan_n900should be : no official pr1.2 yet16:36
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squiddtheres only RC I think16:37
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Khertan_n900yep a leak :)16:37
Khertan_n900or maybe a hk version16:37
squiddyes, so topic still correct :)16:37
Khertan_n900don t know i didnt download ...16:38
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Khertan_n900it s maybe not an rc16:38
ZogG_N900th3hate me too16:38
squiddNokia will release it tuesday. Now that its out in the open anyways theres no reason to hold it back16:39
mikki-kunsandstorm: by holding the power button you force a shutdown -h NOW afair... or does it just turn of the device? dunno anymore16:39
sandstormmikki-kun: I've tried that holding it down for like 15 or more seconds but it only turned off the screen16:39
ZogG_N900squidd will release RC or release?16:39
Termanahow about you pull your battery out? :P Its not an iPhone16:39
sandstormmikki-kun: after I release and re-press it it turned on the screen just as it was16:40
ZogG_N900termana good one16:40
mikki-kunÖ.ö that's odd16:40
sandstormmikki-kun: did not reboot or shutdown the system16:40
mikki-kunif it still won't turn off use some C416:40
ZogG_N900use terminal16:40
ZogG_N900mikki meh TNT FTW16:41
TermanaZogG_N900, didn't you hear him, his phone is already terminal - it won't turn off! Oh you meant, the terminal on the phone... :P16:41
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vanadismobilejust buy a new one...16:41
mikki-kunZogG_N900: but TNT is old... and afaik C4 is stronger16:42
sandstormmikki-kun: :|16:42
sandstormI cant use terminal16:42
sandstormcuz it does not let me access16:42
sandstormits locked up16:42
Termanasandstorm, seriously, why not just pull the battery?16:42
sandstormthat's the trick but16:42
sandstormif I had the chance to access terminal16:42
sandstormit wont be necessary16:43
mikki-kunCtrl+Shift+x could maybe give you on16:43
sandstormI did not know that16:43
Termanasandstorm, what about ssh?16:43
sandstormhmm ssh16:43
sandstormwonderful idea16:43
ZogG_N900mikki depends16:43
sandstormI will try that next time16:43
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sandstormbut unfortunately I had not installed openssh before it locked up16:43
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* ccooke wonders how many people installed the leaked pr1.216:44
ZogG_N900not sure if c4 stronger than tnt16:44
ZogG_N900i had blowed up tnt16:44
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sandstormthanks for brilliant ideas16:45
sandstormI need to go off now16:45
TermanaIt depends really on how badly its locking up. If its a really bad lock, you have no choice but to hard restart, because it won't respond at all to ssh etc. Otherwise something like ssh should be fine.16:45
* Khertan_n900 didn't but will wait a bit to know if there is a update this week16:45
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mikki-kunccooke: i wonder how many fried their n900 due to that leaked version :D16:45
* Khertan_n900 didn't install the leaked but will wait a bit to know if there is a update this week16:45
Mace_N900damn it kind of sucks i need to keep my phone open to use my bt keyboard correctly16:45
Gilly    *16:46
Mace_N900the enter key doesnt work when i close it16:46
ZogG_N900why would anyone fry it?16:46
Gillyoops, sorry for that... misclick16:46
ccookemikki-kun: Probably? Very, very few. But that doesn't mean *I* am going to install it :-)16:46
MohammadAGjacekowski, mind taking down the file off your server?16:46
mikki-kunZogG_N900: i read a few lines up here in this channel it should also have the OC-feature integrated...16:46
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massoudTrizt: once kernel-power is installed, i need to upgrade my kernel after reboot ?16:47
* Trizt nods16:47
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Mace_N900at least everything on it seems to work other than the enter key16:47
Mace_N900but it sucks so bad that i need to keep the phoe open for it heh16:47
Mace_N900ah well. let me try out openoffice with this16:48
ccookeMace_N900: what do you mean "keep the phone open"?16:48
MohammadAGjacekowski, cause it was taken down from tmo16:48
Mace_N900i mean i need to have the hw keyboard exposed and the phoe open16:48
ZogG_N900mikki i wouldn't try it anyway till it's out16:48
ccookethe phon app? the hardware keyboard out?16:48
Mace_N900when i am using my su8w16:48
Arkenoii really hate that almost all the time my phone does *something*. tracker-indexer, as-daemon, intellisyncd, modest, just every 5 minutes some fucking heavy io application wakes up and makes ui non-responsive, video player jerky, etc etc16:48
mikki-kunMace_N900: the "return" key on the n900 has the funtion "Kb_RTRN" or something like that... maybe that leads to some "problems" inside the system16:48
ccooke... you need the hw keyboard out *and* the phone app running?16:49
mikki-kunZogG_N900: neither would i ;)16:49
Mace_N900mikki-kun: maybe.. i dont know where to fix that though16:49
ZogG_N900hope it's really out tuesday as it's my bday16:49
Mace_N900i suppose i can try to find the keymap and change it16:49
Arkenoii wonder what does as-daemon do for 15 minutes eating 100% cpu16:49
Mace_N900to use my su8w i need to run a script16:49
Arkenoiand performing io all the time as well16:49
mikki-kunMace_N900: but i am not sure what happens if you change that to just "RETURN"...16:49
ZogG_N900arkenoi u have the answer in question16:49
Mace_N900in order to change the keymaps because it won´t work right out hte box16:49
ZogG_N900it eats your cpu that's what it is doing16:50
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Mace_N900mikki-kun: well. i have to find out ;)16:50
Mace_N900because leaving the kb open is kind of a crappy solution16:50
mikki-kunif return works fine please let me know...16:50
Mace_N900i mean i can deal with it but i still wish i could close it16:50
ZogG_N900who is using n900 to chat here right now say hooray16:50
Arkenoiit sucks16:50
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Mace_N900other than that though.. the bt keyboard works like a champ16:51
Mace_N900i´m using it right now16:51
mikki-kuni think i16:51
Mace_N900i´m about to try it out in openoffice in easydeb and see how it works out16:51
ZogG_N900mace out of box?16:51
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mikki-kuni think i need to try a speedtyping once on the N900s keyboard16:51
Mace_N900ZogG: no. i had to edit the bt config file16:51
Mace_N900and enable hid16:51
mikki-kunMace_N900: openoffice on the n900?!16:52
Mace_N900then set the keymap with a file i had to download for the special keys16:52
mikki-kunyou mean via SSH -Y right?16:52
Mace_N900mikki-kun: yeah. it comes with easydeb16:52
ZogG_N900actually don't think i need extra keybord16:52
Mace_N900no. i mean in the debian chroot16:52
Mace_N900on the phone itself16:52
mikki-kunohhh... well, i didn't install easydeb16:52
ZogG_N900as it loses all the point of small sizes and mobility16:52
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Mace_N900mikki-kun: it works pretty well16:52
Mace_N900but i need to really test it out16:52
Mace_N900i was hoping i could figure out how to get cups going and print straight off the phone16:53
Mace_N900that would be awesome16:53
mikki-kunhow fast is OOO on the n900?16:53
jacekowskiMohammadAG: well, i've taken it down, but i don't think it was illegal16:53
jacekowskimikki-kun: slow16:53
Mace_N900mikki-kun: it´s not too bad16:53
Mace_N900a little slower but useable16:53
jacekowskiooo is slow by itself16:53
mikki-kunjacekowski: would you recommend using ssh then therefire?16:53
Mace_N900yeah heh16:53
ZogG_N900jacekowski is a leak ? )16:53
TreibholzOOo is slow on any hardware.16:53
ZogG_N900not true16:54
Mace_N900i used to run ooffice on my 350Mhz ppc16:54
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mikki-kunwell, OOo does work nice on my gentoo-box here16:54
Mace_N900it runs better than that ;)16:54
ZogG_N900it works pretty fine for me16:54
jacekowskiit took like 30 minutes to start16:54
ZogG_N900mikki same thing16:54
MohammadAGjacekowski, it was, and is illegal, which is why they ask for IMEIs on tablets-dev16:54
ZogG_N900mikki bin or compiled?16:54
Mace_N900it took like a minute to start on my phone16:54
Mace_N900anyways tho.. i need to figure out where the hell this mapping is when theh phone is closed so i can change it16:55
jacekowskiMohammadAG: have you noticed that that license on tablets-dev only applies to older firmware16:55
mikki-kunZogG_N900: i was told that it shouldn't matter that much, but i compiled it... +10hours on a atom n280 XD16:55
Mace_N900i hate having to leave my phone open in my su8w mount16:55
Treibholzmikki-kun: yes, and when you compile it in winter, you can turn down the radiator!16:55
ZogG_N900mikki u are crazy16:55
Mace_N900it looks kind of retarded :) i just hope they address using a  bt keyboard in a next release or something16:55
ZogG_N900mikki try to compile chromium16:55
Mace_N900and have good support for bt keyboards16:55
Mace_N900and have a working koffice that runs native heh16:56
ZogG_N900so does nokia find leak?16:56
mikki-kunZogG_N900: chromium?! Ö.ö never... either conkeror or uzbl16:56
ZogG_N900mikki just try. it takes forever16:56
MohammadAGjacekowski, does it really matter :)16:56
mikki-kunTreibholz: sadly i can't... i am currently located in thailand... there it won't matter if it's either summer or winter16:56
Mace_N900konqueror seems to forever suck16:57
Mace_N900it reminds me of opera :)16:57
mikki-kunZogG_N900: you'll be willing to delete then every config-file by yourself which is left? ;) :D16:57
ZogG_N900opera once was browser of my choice16:57
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mikki-kuni am talking about conkeror, not konkeror16:58
Mace_N900ZogG: mine too in like 199316:58
jacekowskii'm using opera16:58
mikki-kunconkeror is a gecko-based browser which uses emacs-style keybindings for surfing16:58
jacekowskiit's fastest and least bloated browser at the moment16:58
Mace_N900opera for android isn´t too bad16:58
Mace_N900it kind of reminds me of microb on the n90016:58
mikki-kunjacekowski: have you ever heard of surf? that is a minimalistic browser16:58
Mace_N900just not as functional16:59
jacekowskimikki-kun: but it's useless as well16:59
mikki-kunjacekowski: well, for surfing just enough ^^16:59
mikki-kuni myself have conkeror/uzbl running...16:59
mikki-kunwould love getting uzbl on the n90017:00
massoudhow do i install the new kernel once kernel-power is installed ?17:00
Mace_N900ah well.. let me look on the forums and see if i can find out where the keymap is for when the phone is closed so i can get this thing to work right17:00
Mace_N900like i said.. it works fine other than having to keep the phone open .. it´s more of a cosmetic thing that is irritating me17:01
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ZogG_N900there are a lot new things that came from opera17:02
mikki-kunMace_N900: that will probably be what you are looking for17:02
Mace_N900mikki-kun: ok. thanks17:03
Mace_N900i will check it out right now17:03
Mace_N900i just disconnected it.. back to slow typing heh17:03
mikki-kunand here another site which can be really helpful :)
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Mace_N900but do not place the copy in the nokia_vndr folder or it will stop your phone from booting.17:05
Mace_N900ok. i bookmarked them.. once i get the chance i will go ahead and start working on it17:06
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Mace_N900hopefully someone is working on getting this working out the box especially with the advent of the koffice project17:06
mikki-kunhave fun with it :) btw, which keyboard-layout are you using?17:06
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Mace_N900the su8w one17:07
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mikki-kunÖ.ö how does that look?17:07
Mace_N900i got it from a forum. i didnt really look at it17:07
Mace_N900i have to soon17:07
mikki-kundo you have a link?17:07
Mace_N900the kb mapping changes when the phone is closed tho17:08
Mace_N900one sec.. i will find it...17:08
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mikki-kunahhhh, i meant by layout if you either are using qwertz or qwerty or something else ;)17:08
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mikki-kunbut it looks nice :) just not something if you are really walking17:11
Mace_N900haha.. i wouldnt use it to walk and type17:11
Mace_N900i want to use it for koffice or openoffice or irc on the phone when im stationary17:12
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Mace_N900it is a lot better to just have a phone and keyboard in your pockets than a netbook or laptop in a bag17:12
Mace_N900the su8w is the size of an opened n90017:13
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Mace_N900it was awesome on my n95.. i typed whole term papers on it in quickoffice17:14
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mikki-kunhm, i think i need a small keyboard as well17:15
mikki-kunfor worst-case szenario like when my netbook dies ^^17:15
Mace_N900i am willing to bet all i have to do is edit the su8w keymap and change the return/enter mapping17:15
Mace_N900since the xkb command seems to go by keyboard choice17:15
mikki-kunhm, are you actually using irssi on the n900?17:16
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trumeewhat happened to that pr 1.2 leak thread on tmo?17:17
trumeewas it deleted?17:17
mikki-kuna generall question regarding irssi on the n900... is "script"support there removed?17:18
Mace_N900does tmo even sell n900s?17:18
jacekowskiMace_N900: yes17:18
MohammadAGtrumee, yes, they missed a link, I reported, it got deleted in 4 minutes17:19
jacekowskiMace_N900: i have tmobile n90017:19
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jacekowskiMace_N900: but he's talking about different tmo17:19
jacekowskiMace_N900: talk.maemo.org17:19
Mace_N900do they lock it?17:19
Mace_N900i didnt even know they sold them17:19
jacekowskimikki-kun: it would need perl in dependencies to have scrit support17:19
Mace_N900but then again... i didnt want to give up my android data plan17:20
jacekowskiMace_N900: they were 2nd to sell them in uk17:20
mikki-kunuhm... no perl on the n900?17:20
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Mace_N900they would probably find a way to charge you more for an n90017:20
jacekowskimikki-kun: there is other package with perl17:20
jacekowskiMace_N900: i'm on t-mobile and i'm happy17:20
jacekowski( maybe because i'm still using my old o2 plan )17:20
Mace_N900so i just bought mine from dell17:20
mikki-kunjacekowski: but would that give irssi perl-support?17:20
Mace_N900yeah haha. see what i mean?17:21
trumeeah crap. that thread was fun as long as it lasted. now back to boring speculation thread again :(17:21
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Mace_N900i bet if i told them i wanted to use an n900 my bill would double17:21
jacekowskiMace_N900: my sister is using t-mobile plan with iphone i gave her17:21
jacekowskiMace_N900: and she's happy17:21
mikki-kunwith the iphone or the t-mob plan?17:21
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Mace_N900they think i am still using a g117:21
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jacekowskiand she's watching youtube on it 24/717:22
Mace_N900no 3G on tmobile tho17:22
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jacekowskido you live in middle of nowhere?17:22
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fralso/ lcuk17:22
Mace_N900iphones dont support the tmob 3g freq17:22
jacekowskii think you are talking about different t-mobile17:22
Mace_N900no.. im not17:23
lcukhey frals17:23
fralshows you?17:23
lcukhave you seen ossipena's vertsms app17:23
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Mace_N900i have t-mobile. iphones dont use the 1900 freq17:23
jacekowskit-mobile UK?17:23
fralslcuk: nope17:23
Mace_N900oh.. no17:23
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Mace_N900US... im in chicago17:23
* ptl not using PR1.217:24
Mace_N900tmobile uses 1900 in the uk?17:24
lcukfrals,  nice start17:24
noobmonk3yw00t_, any idea why qt4.6 seems to now handle windows slightly differently - just testing and what worked in 1.1.1, and made the windows stackable, no longer work :|17:24
fralslcuk: just found it, looks good17:24
Mace_N900iphones here will only go 2G on tmob.. the same for n900s on att17:24
noobmonk3ylcuk, that vertsms app looks pretty good :D17:25
lcukneeds work, but like your app will give people choice17:25
* lcuk likes developers in the maemo community :)17:25
* noobmonk3y giggles17:25
Khertan_n900i didn't like the ui ... but it ll give user choice17:25
Mace_N900anyways. my son should be waking up soon17:25
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lcukKhertan_n900, of course its a prototype17:25
Mace_N900and it is raining so he is going to be stir crazy heh17:25
fralsnaming functions in native language instead of english >_<17:25
lcukhe took the ball and started something17:25
Khertan_n900of course ... but i prefer landscape mode17:26
lcukhiya noobmonk3y yeah17:26
Khertan_n900and vert is the main purpose :)17:26
lcukand you are fully catered for Khertan_n90017:26
Khertan_n900gnagnagna :)17:26
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Mace_N900Khertan, profile ftw!17:26
lcukim not a portrait texter either17:26
lcukbut i know tracy is17:26
* Mace_N900 hides17:26
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Mace_N900haha... it is a phone... portrait is good for quick stuff17:27
jacekowskiiphone like sms app would be nice17:27
Mace_N900and the fact i have to twist my arm to read txts and IMs...17:27
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lcukone of my mates has made a dock for his 90017:27
Mace_N900that seems kind of odd17:27
lcukwhen its charging its upsidefudgingdown tho17:27
Mace_N900instead of being able to glance at it in a natural arm position17:28
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lcukits a natural position for anyone who is a regular n8x0 user17:28
Khertan_n900yep just a matter of preference :)17:28
lcukor anyone with hardware keyboard mobile device experience17:28
Mace_N900lcuk, yeah but i didnt keep my n8x0 in my pocket as much17:28
lcukMace_N900, of course17:29
Mace_N900when you grab the n900 out the pocket...17:29
Mace_N900to read an im or txt17:29
lcukits one swift motion to slide the keyboard open and answer person17:29
Mace_N900you have to rotate your whole arm to read it17:29
lcukproblem with onscreen sms for me is that you wont see the conversation yet17:29
lcukthat will be something shall have to try and make work17:30
Mace_N900you have to go through too many motions to read a txt17:30
lcuki bet its feasible to show at least the last couple of lines17:30
lcukbut thats ui/ux work17:30
Mace_N900instead of just pulling the phone out the pocket and reading17:30
fralsthose things are pretty easy to add17:30
* lcuk pokes aSIMULAtor 17:30
lcukyeah frals17:30
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lcuknext important one (and something i noted on the thread) is getting abc's onto the mini keypad17:31
lcukand ensuring its translatable17:31
Mace_N900looking at the clock too.. brain cycles are lost deciphering a sideways clock17:31
fralsneed to bookmark that thread17:31
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lcuk+1 Mace_N90017:31
fralsand sort this apn issue in fmms so i have time to look at other projects17:31
Mace_N900music players as well17:31
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Mace_N900jack on the bottom of the phone...17:32
noobmonk3ylcuk, question for you.... is there a chance that a developer can have an app working on PR1.1.1 and below, fine... but needs to create a separate version that runs on PR 1.2 and above... therefore forking projects?17:32
jacekowskiit's not a bottom17:32
jacekowskiit's side17:32
Mace_N900portrait mode is more natural17:32
Mace_N900i jud17:32
noobmonk3y(Allthough realistically, everyone should upgrade anyway)17:32
jacekowskiportrait mode is what people are used to17:33
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lcuknoobmonk3y, pr1.2 is not up for discussion by myself today and if the little flashing PM boxes dont stop ill go again :)17:33
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Mace_N900i consider the side you put to your mouth the bottom of a PHONE17:33
Chikuwhat fiasco ?17:33
lcuk*not from you )17:33
fralsnoobmonk3y: afaik there is separate 'extras' for pr1.217:33
fralsor did they remove that?17:33
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Mace_N900either way.. in a pocket it is more natural in portrait17:33
Khertan_n900Mace_n900 and when you use headphone ?17:34
Chikudoes PR1.1.1 is FIASCO?17:34
noobmonk3yfrals,  really? freaky deaky17:34
Mecefrals, I believe they are supposed to merge once pr1.2 is out.17:34
Mace_N900considering the wire in the jack gets in the way17:34
Mace_N900of holding the phone17:34
Mace_N900while it's on the side :-P17:34
Mecehey what's the current RC version btw? 16-8?17:34
fralsnoobmonk3y: do you have anything specific in mind? because you shouldnt be needing to fork the project to maintain a different compability imo17:35
noobmonk3ywell... stacked windows = different in qt 4.6 onwards17:35
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noobmonk3yso basically healthcheck fooks up17:35
Khertan_n900hum ....17:35
jacekowskiyou just have to add loads of #ifdef's17:35
Mecenoobmonk3y, is it. different how?17:35
noobmonk3y"Maemo 5 Stacked Windows are support by setting the Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow widget attribute on all top-level windows that should be part of the stack. The root window should not have a parent, while all other windows in the stack should have their predecessor in the stack set as their parent (do not forget to use the Qt::Window widget flag, if you are not using QMainWindow derived classes)."17:36
Khertan_n900jacekowski : python interpreter : syntax error17:36
noobmonk3yi'm trying to translate that into english so i can understand it lol17:36
fralsnoobmonk3y: the easy workaround is to make a check which version its running under and then adjust the method calls accordingly17:36
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Khertan_n900translate to python after :)17:36
noobmonk3yattila posted this though "Stacking changed in Qt4.6 (and thus in PyQt), it’s no longer regulated by parent relations, but by an attribute (similar to the orientation stuff in my example), see"17:36
Mecenoobmonk3y, how is it done in 1.1.1 then?17:36
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jacekowskiKhertan_n900: one of the reasons why i think python should be banned17:37
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fralsim with khertan on that one, lol.17:37
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noobmonk3ymece - if i knew both answers well enough i probably wont have an issue but currently i just call stackablewin = theMainWindow(MainWindow)17:37
Mecejacekowski, you insulted him so he left..17:37
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Khertan_n900hum ban qt too17:37
mikki-kunhm, is there actually a possibilty to add a small infobox showing which contact comes on and off in skype or any other service which can be monitored?17:38
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noobmonk3yfrals, meh - screw people who dont upgrade i say17:38
* noobmonk3y will get some extra trouts in for noob slappings......17:38
Mecenoobmonk3y, agreed.17:38
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Khertan_n900and ban the guy which port xchat and put that close box without asking17:38
Mecenoobmonk3y, it would automagically be fixed in dependencies.. or unfixed or whatevrr.17:39
lcuklol Khertan_n900 you mean on the channel bar?17:39
Khertan_n900if you really want to quit17:39
lcuki click it often too!17:39
* frals looks over at RST38h17:39
MohammadAG_ban Ubuntu 10.04 while you're at it, it sucks17:39
lcukbut xchat on 900 does ask17:39
noobmonk3ymece - testing on leaky version = failed healthcheck...17:39
Khertan_n900now i mean on the task switcher17:39
Khertan_n900MohammadAG_ 10.04 works well17:40
Mecenoobmonk3y, so get fixin'17:40
noobmonk3yso if i create a new way of doing it i will bugger up 1.1.1 version17:40
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lcukKhertan_n900, it asks "Are you sure you want to quit"  "Minimize/cancel/quit" and a check box to "Don't ask next time"17:40
Khertan_n900noobmonk3y the power of qt ... :)17:40
lcukim betting you ticked the checkbox once17:40
noobmonk3ylol Khertan17:40
Khertan_n900lcuk: never see it17:40
MohammadAG_Khertan_n900, do you use XChat on it?17:40
lcukwell no, after you tick the button once it doesnt ask17:40
Mecenoobmonk3y, is it a fundamentally different approach then, or just need to change that one line?17:40
phellarvAnyone tried PR1.2 yet?17:41
MohammadAG_apparently xchat crashes gtk, which needs a reboot to fix (even kill -9 doesn't work)17:41
MeceKhertan_n900, same here.17:41
MohammadAG_phellarv, topic17:41
Mecephellarv, I guess a lot of people tried the old leaked version.17:42
Chikuthere is new one?17:42
Khertan_n900MohammadAG_ i use xchat on n900 and on ubuntu 10.0417:42
MohammadAG_4 weeks old17:42
Khertan_n900no problem with it17:42
phellarvSorry - didn't see the last part of the topic17:42
MohammadAG_Khertan_n900, X64?17:42
noobmonk3yMece,  not sure yet, will let you know when i figure out how to fix it ;)17:42
Mecechiku, well, it's 12-9, and current is 16-8 i hear.17:42
Mecechiku, so yeah, old.17:42
Khertan_n900MohammadAg x64 and i3217:42
noobmonk3ypersonally i kinda like the leahed version - for dev testing - will reflash back to 1.1.1 later :D17:43
MohammadAG_lcuk, looks like he ticked the box :P17:43
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Chikuso there is new one but not released yet?17:43
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MohammadAG_Khertan_n900, no idea, it just crashes, and I'm not the only one17:43
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lcukyeah MohammadAG_17:43
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Mecechiku, no pr1.2 is released. an old version is leaked.17:43
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Khertan_n900lcuk: fake !17:44
mikki-kunwhich tools would you actually recommend installing on the n900? i know, sounds like a general question, but maybe i missed a few of them17:44
Chiku16-8 leak one would be good :)17:44
lcukKhertan_n900, ?17:44
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lcukwhy would i fake something in 10 seconds that occurs everytime i use it17:44
Mecemikki-kun, what do you intend to do?17:44
lcukwhat does anoy me is the layout of those buttons17:44
lcukits not finger friendly and minimize goes nowhere17:44
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Khertan_n900because i m kindding you17:44
lcukbut i dont complain about little things usually :)17:45
chem|stdamn hell... 1.5h into deleting posts now grml17:45
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mikki-kunwell, maybe have a more complete n900... i think i am a lil too minimalistic... though i already used 165MB of the rootfs17:45
Mecechiku, well that depends if it turns out its good. but then it wont be leaked because it will be released.17:45
Jaffachem|st: :-/17:45
MohammadAG_ meh, flaming17:45
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lcukmikki-kun, healthcheck17:45
chem|stJaffa: it sucks...17:45
mikki-kunlcuk: what exactly does it do besides checking your hardware?17:45
Jaffachem|st: Any grumbling started yet?17:45
lcukmikki-kun, increase your girth17:46
Mecechem|st, deleting links ?17:46
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* noobmonk3y waves at mikki-kun - healthcheck rocks! but i'm a bit biased ;)17:46
chem|stJaffa: not yet17:46
lcukmikki-kun, its just a little app17:46
nid0healthcheck suxxx!one17:46
noobmonk3ylol nido17:46
chem|stMece: yes and pictures and fights and rant and noise and...17:46
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* frals trouts noobmonk3y with a salmon17:46
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* lcuk noobmonk3ys frals trout a with17:47
* noobmonk3y giggles17:47
Mecechem|st, don't delete it all, there was a lot of fun idiocracy in that thread!17:47
chem|stthose ppl are not aware of that nokia sits next to the powercord of the hosting server...17:47
* frals giggles lcuk with a noobmonk3y17:47
nid0people doing that always remind me of robin hood17:47
mikki-kunWTF?! i just stopped a reboot of a windows-machine... it took the persons box 5:53 minutes to reboot Ö.ö17:47
* ptl is working out. Right now.17:48
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chem|stMece: I jsut deleted the links and the requests for links the rest is there but reggie closed it already17:48
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fralsah got my SDK up and running again, can finally spam HAM with updates \o/17:48
Mecechem|st, yep, I saw.17:48
noobmonk3ystupid question alert - how do i actually use Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow ?17:49
Mecedamn, now I'm annoyed with the stacking windows. I was just about to make one for an app I'm doing.17:49
noobmonk3yfrals, spam maed from trouts? trouty spammage?17:49
noobmonk3ylol Mece17:49
mikki-kunlcuk: healthcheck woul cost me 10MB of rootfs Ö.ö17:49
Mecewaitup, I can help with that.17:49
lcukmikki-kun, it better not do!17:50
lcukcos its optified17:50
noobmonk3ymikki-kun, it installs lots of dependencies :P - to test everything on your device, unfortunatley lots are not optified :(17:50
Mecenoobmonk3y, I figure it's the same as the rotate ones.17:50
chem|stMece: I like the sense of piracy but you dont piss at the fence of s/o who gives you his keys to his playground17:50
noobmonk3ybut as lcuk says - healthcheck itself is tiny17:50
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noobmonk3yMece, what does the code actually look like though?17:50
Mecechem|st, I agree.17:50
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mikki-kunhm, any other app besides that? ^^17:51
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mikki-kuni think i'll install the gnu-utils17:52
chem|stMece: I am open to sign a NDA and be part of a RC testing group; however I do not understand why Nokia keeps the RCs a secret, wouldnt it help a lot to have a larger group of ppl who are knowing what they do to test it tho?17:52
Jaffachem|st: Mece: if we don't allow links to non-Nokia unauthorised, copyrighted material; we shouldn't really allow it for Nokia material.17:52
MohammadAG_ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! OH CRAP17:53
MohammadAG_I reinstalled it about 10 times!17:53
Jaffachem|st: They did it for PR1.1, no idea why they didn't do it again.17:53
chem|stMohammadAG_: didn't you have this lately?17:53
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fralsMohammadAG_: what are you installing under? gui installer worked fine for me on ubuntu10.04 32bit17:54
Mecenoobmonk3y, here is some c++ that should translate straight to py:
MohammadAG_chem|st, it started with 10.0417:54
lardman|homeJaffa: perhaps they didn't get enough useful feedback last time?17:54
MohammadAG_frals, using the scripts17:54
Khertan_n900jaffa : this link seems to be a leak too17:54
noobmonk3ylol yeah got that17:54
chem|stJaffa: I agree, like I said dont piss at Nokias fence it is the first company I know doing an OSproject like this17:54
noobmonk3ydoesnt translate yet !17:54
Khertan_n900at least when we look at the schematics pdf17:54
noobmonk3ygettin ginvalid syntaxes everywhere17:54
MohammadAG_frals, afaik the GUI does the same as the script17:55
MeceI'm going to do this app in c++ but I'm doing it in py first, so I can comfortably dev on the device.17:55
Jaffalardman|home: Perhaps. It didn't get leaked though ;)17:55
Mecenoobmonk3y, lol17:55
chem|stMece: thats how it should be... those MEM leak py background things eat kittens17:56
MohammadAG_ugh rebooting17:56
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Khertan_n900mem leak py background ??17:56
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lardman|homeJaffa: true, so were they running a test group who were less trustworthy than us then? ;)17:56
Jaffalardman|home: Only logical conclusion :)17:57
Mecechem|st, I want a png bg on a listview, but it's slow as shit in py. I'm kinda hoping it would be better in c++17:57
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chem|stKhertan_n900: recaller for example, the widget made hildon-home swap alot and several programs went to D state17:57
lardman|homeJaffa: :D17:57
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Khertan_n900uh ? ... it s not a python problem but a badly written python hildon-home launcher17:58
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MohammadAGWelcome to Scratchbox, the cross-compilation toolkit! <-- yeah, Ubuntu's f'd17:58
RST38hHello, punks17:58
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RST38hheya lardman, anything new and exciting since the barcode thing? =)17:59
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lardman|homeRST38h: have been busy trying to get barcode thing finished (with very able help from dragly)18:00
lardman|homeRST38h: v busy at work, also trying to move house atm18:00
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lardman|homeRST38h: but give me a digital compass, and I'd like to do some augmented reality app hacking :)18:00
mikki-kunw00t, i just found chromium browser in the extras-devel for the n900 Ö.ö18:01
* DocScrutinizer ponders to adjust topic wrt to the PR1.2 part - depends on common request in this channel though. keep/delete? first to gain 5 votes is winner18:02
gevaertsDocScrutinizer: s/kicked/banned/? :)18:03
DocScrutinizerhehe, that's a new request, ok will consider. Though this needs at least 10 votes to win18:03
RST38hlardman: Heh, the real feat would be to do it without the compass =)18:04
fralsim with gevaerts on this one18:04
lcukRST38h, lardman|home indeed, testing wise it shouldnt matter whether there was or wasnt a compas there18:04
lardman|homeRST38h: well my wife has just given me her Android phone (she hated it) so I might use that as a remote BT compass ;)18:04
lardman|homeslight overkill I know!18:04
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lcukduct tape18:05
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Meceis there some big premierleague game going on right now?18:05
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* frals is happy, i broke healtcheck \o/18:06
Khertanhum ... after reading some post about pr1.2 leaked version ... i hope this is not the version we are waiting as from some reports there is still some bugs18:06
RST38hlardman: ! =)18:06
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* frals slaps noobmonk3y with a huge trout18:06
RST38hKhertan: There are always bugs18:06
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StskeepsKhertan: and people realize they cannot downgrade.. heh :)18:07
KhertanRST38h, yep of course ... : but : some says that microb won't start18:07
Khertansome says they have reboot loop18:07
* DocScrutinizer counts each post here nonrelated to above opened poll as a 0.25 vote to keep it this way18:07
KhertanStskeeps, ho ? really ?18:07
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KhertanStskeeps, cann't reflash with an older version ?18:07
StskeepsKhertan: upgrading modem firmware it sounds like18:07
RST38hKhertan: There are always people who are stuck in reboot loop.18:08
Stskeepsserves them right18:08
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KhertanRST38h, uhm ... a reason ?18:08
* RST38h moos at Stskeeps evilly18:08
fralslol Stskeeps :D18:08
Meceman I'm disappointed that most of the douches seem to have stuff working.18:08
RST38hKhertan: Just chronic bad luck =)18:08
Khertanah .... murphy ...18:09
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RST38hMece: Feeling left out? :)18:09
Khertananyway i ll not trust and install a leaked version from a unknow guy ... some malwares could be include :)18:09
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MeceRST38h, didn't feel like trying some old RC today. I'm pretty happy with 1.1.1 actually.18:11
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RST38hKhertan: Yea, but Murphy's is less personal18:11
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: welcome on board of accesslist btw :-) Always wondered why you're not in there18:11
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jacekowskiwell, things i was hoping for are not in 1.218:11
jacekowskiso it's just useless update18:12
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MeceI did mention that this is a 4 weeks old rc, so obviously it's not final pr1.2, but nobody took note of that.18:12
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RST38hjacekowski: you definitely should not waste time installing it then18:12
Mecejacekowski, what are you yearning for?18:12
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KhertanMece, didn't know ... thx for the information18:13
nid0hm, the supertesters thread is kinda disheartening18:13
jacekowskiturn by turn voice navigation in ovi maps18:13
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: oh dear18:13
nid0so many people volenteering for the role who dont seem to have done qa on even one package in -testing, ever18:14
GAN900DocScrutinizer, laziness.18:14
Meceaaaahaha brilliant post by hynkel :D18:14
GAN900DocScrutinizer, plus, X-Fade is just such a good abuser. ;)18:14
* DocScrutinizer yawns18:14
Mece I lol'd18:15
* DocScrutinizer pops another Aspirin18:15
fralstime to thumb down on planet  \o/18:16
Khertannid0, héhé ... and there will be zero results18:16
RST38hnid0: But they are all obviously well qualified to test packages18:16
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nid0well I put my name down in the thread anyway as im already a testingsquad member and test most stuff going through, but out of like 15 "ill do it"'s i'm like the only one I can see18:16
KhertanRST38h, of course testing a package is just installing the app and clicking on a icon for thumb up or down18:16
Khertaneverybody that can read can do it18:17
nid0if those 15 ish people just tested stuff anyway, the whole supertester thing wouldnt need to exist18:17
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Khertannid0, even if it s exist it will not solve the problems18:17
RST38hKhertan: The most advanced testers will actually thumb apps down for "lack of bugtracker URL", "lack of localization", or "possibly ip violation"18:18
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Khertanip violation ?18:18
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: is it documented anywhere which PXx.y versions came with a modem FW update, maybe even which version of modem FW?18:18
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Mecewhat khertan said.18:18
nid0intellectual property18:18
Khertanah ... ok18:18
RST38hBut, really, this whole testing thing has long become an artificial hurdle preventing useful stuff from going into Extras18:19
Mecewhat khertan said   again :)18:19
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KhertanRST38h, especially if the web interface is bugged :)18:19
RST38hKhertan: Oh do not even start me on the web interface =((18:19
KhertanRST38h, :)18:19
Khertananyway it s not my problem anymore ... i didn't care about it18:19
Khertani didn't have anymore upload right to extras repository :)18:20
RST38hKhertan: Speaking of testing, please vote on
KhertanRST38h, thumb down ?18:20
RST38hKhertan: Needs 4 more votes before it goes into Extras and those pesku plugin-based dialogs go away18:20
Khertanneeds 2 votes now18:21
RST38hKhertan: Well, if you want to continue suffering cehteh's notifications, then thumb it down =)18:21
RST38hThanks =)18:21
Meceo. I'll vote for that. does it pass the checklist?18:21
KhertanRST38h, i didn't suffer from anything ... use extras-devel :)18:21
nid0Mece: ywa18:21
RST38hKhertan: Same here. Miraculously, it did not do me any harm, like some Council members are claiming it would =)18:22
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RST38hMece: Cthulhu knows... But it is the same as the previous version, just tweaked notifications18:22
Mece10 up18:22
KhertanMece, works on my n900 ... didn't drain battery ... and i didn't care about bugtracker link ... so it s thumb up for me18:22
ShadowJKWhat's different about this xchat?18:22
lcukRST38h, you and Khertan as developers know and understand the risks, others do not18:22
Mecerst38h, well Im using it, and haven't had any problems.18:23
RST38hThanks, all18:23
Khertanlcuk, yep ...  i didn't say to user to use extras-devel ...18:23
Khertanlcuk, i say to users to use the Khertan Repository18:23
RST38hShadoJK: Cehteh's stuff is now mostly disabled. Replaced it with XChat's internal bubble notifications18:23
Khertanmore saff :)18:23
RST38hShadowJK: Had to tweak them a bit to make them more terse18:23
lcuki would really like to find a way for people to subscribe to specific apps from -devel18:23
GAN900Not really helping anybody by facilitating your owner laziness at the cost of your users' safety.18:23
ShadowJKRST38h, hm.. internal like on N810?18:23
lcukfor example, to test only latest x-chat or something18:23
lcukwithout the fuss of the whole lot18:24
MeceKhertan, do you have a newer version of pygtkeditor in your repo?18:24
DocScrutinizerRST38h: heh, I can thumb-up this notification to oblivion? let's go!!!18:24
GAN900lcuk, those are called PPAs18:24
RST38hShadowJK: Yea, except they look a bit different on Maemo5 and I have not been able to fix the app icon in them18:24
RST38hShadowJK: but they work and work pretty well18:24
KhertanMece, hum ... in my repository it s 3.0.1518:24
lcukGAN900, ? what do the prescription pricing authority have to do with this18:24
RST38hDocS: It is now off by default, but cehteh's plugin is still included if you need it18:24
lcukie, what does PPA mean18:25
lcukahhh GAN900 its ok18:25
lcukpersonal package archives :)18:25
MeceKhertan, 3.0.14 here. does it fix the capital letter bug?18:25
RST38hGAN: Repeating my old mantra, if you want developers to use the Extras path, you have to make it easy. By artificially making it difficult, you scare off the developers18:26
lcuki saw those the other day and agree18:26
KhertanMece, ? the capital letter bug ?18:26
Khertandidn't know about it18:26
noobmonk3yawwwww finally something good on britains got talent18:26
GeneralAntillesRST38h, it's not about making it easy for developers.18:26
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RST38hGAN: And yes, of course testing matters and so does security. Except that the current policies are kinda lousy with this stuff18:26
GeneralAntillesIt's about ensuring we have good quality software available to users with the least amount of burden possible balanced across all groups.18:26
MeceKhertan it tends to start lines with capital letter, which kis annoying.18:26
lcukRST38h, extras shouldnt scare off devs - after all when was the last time you managed to get your download into any distribution by default18:26
RST38hGAN: Well, if it is not about making it easy for developers, then you should not blame the developers for leaving18:27
* GeneralAntilles isn't sure why going with your own repository is better than waiting in Extras-devel.18:27
MeceI keep typing the wrong variable names.18:27
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, I can blame whomever I want. :)18:27
KhertanMece: ... ah i use the hildon autocompletion off setting ... and it s disable too the hildon auto capital18:27
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, I blame developers for being unwilling to follow a process that protects their users.18:27
RST38hGAN: Same here, but I usually end up blaming Bill gates =)18:27
Khertan(in the preferences of pygtkeditor)18:27
MeceKhertan, cool, thanks!18:27
* lcuk looks forward to an end to end development cycle which does not involve tooth extraction to get started18:27
Khertanit s already include in 3.0.1418:27
RST38hlcuk: Never really wanted to put my apps into any distributions18:28
lcukapart from maemo18:28
KhertanGeneralAntilles, it s doesn't protect anythings ... try to release a bug fix quickly18:28
RST38hlcuk: Only doing this on Maemo because of the App Manager specifics18:28
KhertanGeneralAntilles, and you ll see what i mean18:28
GeneralAntillesKhertan, obviously that's a bug in the process.18:28
KhertanGeneralAntilles, oh ?18:28
nid0tbh, the one thing that really should be changed about the testing process is a significant decrease in quarantine time18:28
GeneralAntillesKhertan, but because the process isn't perfect, going off and playing in your own little playground isn't a better solution.18:28
MeceKhertan, any idea why it stopped displaying recent files on launch after I reinstalled?18:28
nid0to, like, 2 days.18:28
KhertanGeneralAntilles, but s not possible to improve it ...18:28
RST38hlcuk: I did have my stuff in SuSE. SuSE people actually licensed the right to package it from me and did the packaging18:28
GeneralAntillesFatalism is hardly useful.18:29
lcukthats fine18:29
KhertanGeneralAntilles, every discussion about it end in trolling game18:29
lcukdo you expect that here too?18:29
RST38hGeneral: Not only the process is not perfect. Nobody is willing to change it, in spite of multiple complaints.18:29
lcuki wish there was a way to supply unpackaged stuff and get everything done18:29
KhertanGeneralAntilles, and nothing good is done from it18:29
RST38hGeneral: People who care have no rights. People with rights seemingly do not care.18:29
fralspackaging is the bane of developing :P18:29
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lcukfrals, ive said it before - installshield!18:30
RST38hGeneral: So, yes, I fully understand Khertan striking it on his own18:30
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Mecefrals, I'm getting down with packaging lately :)18:30
Khertanpackaging take more time than creating apps ... so yes, there is a problem18:30
RST38hlcuk: I expect to have less trouble, that's all18:30
fralsMece: yeah its "fine" when you got everything setup etc but... getting there :P18:30
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lcukRST38h, understood18:30
ptlNobody is willing to change theprocess, in spite of multiple complaints. Nokia is not willing to release PR1.2 officially, in spire of multiple complaints. See anything in common?18:31
ptlNokia is too busy not listening to their customers.18:31
Khertanfrals, even if you got everything setup ... you ll encouter bug in the package web interface for example18:31
lcuknokia are listening to their customers18:31
fralswhat has extras process to do with pr1.2 not being out?18:31
fralsmy mind is no stranger to great leaps but its not making that one18:31
ptlMaybe the mentality! :P18:31
Khertanptl, this are different things !18:31
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ptlI know18:31
Mecefrals, yep.18:32
RST38hptl: That is different18:32
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Khertanptl, do not mixing your problem with the packaging / QA problem18:32
lcukthere are a lot more customers than developers nowadays18:32
fralsKhertan: hmm, uploaded some 20 diff versions via extras webinterface yet :) only got one app in extras and it went thru testing fine18:32
ptlbut it shows the walls that developers, users and power users have to face. A world of frustration.18:32
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RST38hptl: PR1.2 trouble is different18:32
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RST38hptl: PR1.2 release is part of Nokia's internal processes. They have to follow the processes.18:33
Khertanfrals, yep but one example :
GeneralAntillesRST38h, because people don't necessarily agree with your proposed changes, doesn't mean they don't care. :)18:33
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RST38hptl: Extras policies are really decided by a tiny bunch of people with XFade singlehandedly responsible for changing the process18:33
Khertanand i ve about 10 or 15 differents problem18:33
Corsachmhm, is there some kind of OOM on maemo? seems like maep has gone crazy18:33
GeneralAntillesX-Fade's investing an awful lot of hours into this thing to supposedly not care.18:33
MeceI haven't noticed any problems with pr1.2. I've noticed a lot of impatient jerks though.18:34
RST38hGeneral: I am pretty sure most people agree with at leas a third of my proposed changes18:34
KhertanGeneralAntilles, hop ...18:34
RST38hBut it is ok if you do not agree18:34
Khertanand trolling again18:34
ChikuMohammadAG, Healtcheck works on PR1.218:34
ptlRST38h: why doesn't he? He is present here almost every day, but seems he doesn't care18:34
SpeedEvilCorsac: oom killer is enabled18:34
noobmonk3yAny reason people can see for self.setAttribute(QtGui.WA_Maemo5StackedWindow)  not working?18:34
fralsKhertan: non-free seems to lack testers i guess :/18:34
Khertanwe didn't say xfade isn't doing his job or didn't care18:34
ptlimpatient jerks? c'mon...18:34
RST38hptl: Maybe because he doesn't, I have no idea18:34
ptlok, I will not troll about it again. I am also tired of it.18:35
Khertanfrals, not the problem of tester ... look at the bugtracker link problem18:35
Chikunoobmonk3y, it was you who healtcheck not works?18:35
Mace_N900xchat is brutalizing my battery18:35
Khertani got problem with icon18:35
noobmonk3ygetting " module, object has no attribute " error18:35
CorsacSpeedEvil: ok so at some point maep will be killed :)18:35
Stskeepsthe issue is rather xfade needs more hands18:35
fralsKhertan: yeah, but that got fixed didnt it?18:35
ptlbut that's what's left of us. Whining and trolling. The other users have already left the scene.18:35
Khertangot problem with changelog18:35
GeneralAntillesKhertan, <RST38h> General: People who care have no rights. People with rights seemingly do not care.18:35
RST38hMacer: It should not. rm -rf ~/.xchat218:35
RST38hMacer: and reinstall18:35
noobmonk3yChiku, fancy explaining that question? lol18:35
fralschangelog problem i had with pypackager because its not writing a proper debian changelog18:35
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Khertanfrals : not really.... it s fixes when i upload the x86 version ...18:35
SpeedEvilCorsac: It depends - oom killer is not the only issue - swap can effectively deadlock your system if things go wrong18:36
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* RST38h wonders if he should mention the late PR1.2 SDK fiasco18:36
KhertanGeneralAntilles, ok but we didn't talk about xfade here18:36
Stskeepsand jeremiah really hasnt pulled his weight..18:36
RST38hWhich has been completely avoidable18:36
fralsKhertan: weird - not noticed any problems with my changelog unless i bork it with non utf8 characters18:36
Khertanutf8.... hum ...18:36
GeneralAntillesRST38h, the blame for that lies in a number of sectors.18:36
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Khertanmaybe it s my problem18:36
Mecefrals, just use pypackager to setup initially . then uswe dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S after you've done dch -i18:36
GeneralAntilles(Mostly Nokia, though)18:36
RST38hGeneral: Not really.18:37
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StskeepsRST38h: even with knowing what is going on in a company things can change overnight18:37
RST38hGeneral: It was a simple wrong decision. one decision.18:37
fralsMece: what i did pretty much, i used pypackager for the first versions to get the debian/* files and now im using buildpackage :D18:37
GeneralAntillesRST38h, if you say so.18:37
RST38hGeneral: If none of the users have PR1.2, you DO NOT make autobuilder produce PR1.2 packages by default.18:37
RST38hGeneral: If you do, everybody is fucked up.18:37
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Mecefrals, yep. once you have the debian/* it's easy to fix each version.18:37
ZogG_N900i got alert that sdk is not supported on 64bit system18:38
RST38hAll the further justification does not matter, as you have just broke the whole system.18:38
ZogG_N900any ideas?18:38
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KhertanZogG, install a 32bit os18:38
Khertanthe easier way18:38
ZogG_N900khertan not gonna happened18:38
RST38hBut, Stskeeps, it has not been one night. It has been almost a year for Maemo5 alone18:38
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RST38hAnd we are not talking Nokia practices (like PRxx releases being rare and delayed, etc). We are talking practices.18:39
MohammadAG<Chiku> MohammadAG, Healtcheck works on PR1.2 <-- ok?18:39
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ZogG_N900so noone tried on it on 64bit?18:39
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  it doesnt18:39
RST38hQuim is so eager to claim that is NOT Nokia...18:39
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noobmonk3yChiku, test the tools page -- open up the dead pixel test and try to close it18:39
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, why is he telling me lol18:40
fralsi heard healthcheck is broken all around!18:40
MohammadAGyou're the one who made it18:40
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  because you are a legend ;)18:40
* frals takes a swing at noobmonk3y with a trout18:40
noobmonk3yfrals,  it got hit by a badly aimed trout :(18:40
fralssorry! :<18:40
ZogG_N900mohammadag is a robot18:40
lcukRST38h, its entirely possible that X-Fade thought the pr1.2 release was ready - hell a lot of people did - and was  trying to be ontop of a newly evolving situation and got caught when testing noticed things - for this i dont "blame" x-fade or any of the maemo team and infact thing the retroactive update to squeeze toolkit will be beneficial in the long run18:41
noobmonk3ystill cant get stacked windows working, grrrrrrrrrr18:41
lcukbecause it removes the compatability break18:41
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Chiku<noobmonk3y> Chiku, test the tools page -- open up the dead pixel test and try to close it <-- I didt it it's ok18:41
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, unstack it and it'll work18:41
noobmonk3yChiku, what version?18:41
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mecenoobmonk3y, are you using leakyware?18:41
noobmonk3ymece,  yeah18:41
Chikuleak one18:41
noobmonk3yChiku,  i mean what healthcheck version?18:42
meceChiku, I think he meant what ver of healtchecker..18:42
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noobmonk3ylol mece18:42
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noobmonk3ydoesnt work for me Chiku  - sssstrange18:42
Chikufont is too big18:42
mecea lot of zeroes there :D18:42
noobmonk3ylol mece  ;)18:42
noobmonk3ynext version due in extras is V1.2.0-0 ;)18:43
ChikuI flashed vanilla18:43
noobmonk3ywell in devel18:43
meceanyone have some pointers on how to automagically /msg nickserv identify on xchat?18:43
lcukZogG_N900, you will hve to read up on the developers documentation on about 64bit - it is possible but its not standard and needs extra hurdles18:43
CorsacSpeedEvil: so basically once the n900 isn't responsive at all because an app leaked too much, the only way to be sure is hard reset via battery?18:43
noobmonk3yahhhhh i didnt flash the emmc18:43
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GeneralAntillesmece, there's a field somewhere in network settings.18:43
noobmonk3ybut that shouldnt make a difference18:43
Corsac(screen won't resume atm)18:43
ChikuI didn't set up dev repos18:43
meceGeneralAntilles, ok, looking it up.18:43
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timeless_mbpTrizt: ok, i'm staging my 0.1-7/0.1-818:45
timeless_mbpit doesn't work18:46
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: help?18:46
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, what with?18:46
timeless_mbpi have a package and i need to ship different versions to different people18:46
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lcukmece, in the network settings you can assign a user and password18:46
lcukand afaik they are used for registering18:47
timeless_mbp0.1-8 needs to be given to people running pr1.218:47
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timeless_mbpand 0.1-7 needs to be given to people running pr1.1.118:47
mecelcuk, I think I found it.18:47
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, not my area of expertise.18:47
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mecelcuk, only had 2 sessions and this one, so mece__ was not registered.. trying again.18:47
timeless_mbpright now, ham helpfully says it can't install 0.1-8 because there are "problems"18:47
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mecehmm got invalid password! bastards!18:47
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Trizttimeless_mbp; thanks18:48
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: aiui your best bet is to have distinct package names18:48
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: that's insane18:48
meceaah.. stupid capital letter18:48
Chikuwhat is the package name for new qt animate weather soft?18:48
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timeless_mbpis this because ham is lazy?18:49
Mece_yay  works18:49
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SpeedEvilCorsac: in some cases, yes. Though I've found that often ssh will be responsive even if the UI is borked18:49
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: hrm18:49
timeless_mbpcan i cheat and have:18:49
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* DocScrutinizer greets SpeedEvil18:49
timeless_mbp(meta-package) Depends: foo-1.1 | foo-1.2 ?18:50
Khertan <<< hum .... and somebody say me yesterday that x86 should be used in phone ?18:50
chem|stgrml still deleting, why are those ppl getting into fights just because of an 15 days old RC?18:50
KhertanHP may also be abandoning Intel-based hardware for its slate lineup simply because it’s too power hungry.18:50
KhertanRead more:
* SpeedEvil had an x86 tablet design back in the day.18:50
mecemore like 28 days..18:51
SpeedEvil2* PCMCIA cards, wrap-around chording keyboard.18:51
chem|stmece: already?18:51
SpeedEvilVirtual display18:51
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* chem|st is looking up his cal entries18:51
SpeedEvil386/20 class processor (amd elan)18:51
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: lo18:51
mecechem|st, it was 12-8 so week 12. it's week 17 now.18:51
meceperhaps build 8 was later of course..18:51
RST38h"Submit your website for free!"18:51
Khertanand ?18:51
chem|stmece: you are right... but I guess its not the first git freeze18:52
Khertan<RST38h> "Submit your website for free!" <<< ,???18:52
mecechem|st someone mentioned we're at 16-8 now..18:52
RST38hKhertan: just got weird spam18:52
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chem|stmece: so 1.2 will be 16 not 12?18:52
chem|stmaybe the HK flash is 12...18:52
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chem|stI guess it will upgrade the first time it gets online ;)18:53
Mace_N900heh. need to save battery life18:53
Mace_N900the gov wants to send the national guard here18:53
Mace_N900i love my city18:53
DocScrutinizerRST38h: honestly... any idea why my xchat regegisters (to be precise ping-timouts) all the time?18:53
Mace_N900because we are about to have more murders in 6 months than iraq in 6 years18:54
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RST38hMacer: Ah, rioting started? =)18:54
Mace_N900just a typical day in chicago18:54
RST38hDocS: You have to explain this in simpler terms so that a cow can understand18:55
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: does pidgin do this?18:55
DocScrutinizerMace_N900: forget GSM then, get a decent satphone18:55
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: good question18:55
chem|stMace_N900: was just about to ask if you live in chico bay18:55
RST38hMacer: Wasn't there some law against using the Army inside the country?18:55
Mace_N900national guard isnt really rhe army18:56
RST38hAh ok18:56
Mace_N900they are scrubs18:56
ptlMace_N900: send some of these guys to pressure Nokia guys to release updates in a timely manner18:56
RST38hGot it18:56
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: any better idea for an app to test the system IP stack. Pidgin went off my device on day 2 I had it18:56
Mace_N900i was in the usmc18:56
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: alright18:56
Mace_N900they are worse than local police18:56
chem|stptl: they are not allowed outside us, that would be army then...18:56
timeless_mbpi have package foo-meta18:56
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> RST38h: honestly... any idea why my xchat regegisters (to be precise ping-timouts) all the time?18:56
timeless_mbpDepends: foo-1.1 | foo-1.218:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: reinstall it. or irssi - you don't care about generic tests - but IRC18:56
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: take my notes with more than a grain of salt. I'm a total noob18:57
MohammadAGcause freenode sucks :)18:57
Mace_N900national guard is meant for these sorts of tasks18:57
SpeedEvilxchat works for me18:57
timeless_mbpand foo-1.1 will have a version dependency which is satisfiable on 1.118:57
MohammadAGno offense freenode people18:57
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timeless_mbpand foo-1.2 will have a version dependency which is satisfiable on 1.218:57
* RST38h does not see anything wrong with XChat connected to freenode18:57
RST38hLooks ok to me18:57
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, it's not xchat18:57
* DocScrutinizer sighs18:57
MohammadAGIt's not xchat..18:57
MohammadAGit's which server you get connected to18:57
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: yes it is xchat18:57
RST38hCould someone explan in layman terms what you mean by reregistering?18:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, not really, on the other server I never get disconnected, on freenode I get disconnected at least once an hour18:58
Mace_N900open marriage on house18:58
MohammadAGRST38h, Ping timeouts/connections being reset by peers18:58
RST38hMohammad: Never seen that18:58
MohammadAGyou're just lucky18:58
RST38hAnd I am using EGPRS18:58
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Oh - I was meaning it was xchat I was having no peoblems with. I have xchat on n900 and have never seen an unexplained timeout18:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, ah kk, again it depends on the server you're on18:59
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* lcukn900 does not see connection issues either18:59
MohammadAG* Connecting to ( port 8001... <-- atm I'm on this one18:59
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: fair enough - however - I have never seen this - with maybe a few months of xchat-n900 use18:59
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, well my connection does drop a packet or two, it could be because of it19:00
MohammadAG(on a slightly related note,
* DocScrutinizer asks for ~trout19:00
* lcuk supplies herring instead 19:00
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, do that test if you're free19:01
MohammadAGI got a B19:01
* DocScrutinizer should install a clean OS, rather than using unchecked whatever Nokia repair Shop installed19:01
* timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to deal w/ this stupid dependency maze19:02
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* DocScrutinizer prepares an Aspirin sandwich19:02
lcukmmm crunchy19:02
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DocScrutinizerodds are they installed a kinky special debug OS, at repair shop19:05
lcuknahhh DocScrutinizer if they put on a debug os and released it there would be a problem surely19:05
DocScrutinizeror at Nokia centarl repair19:05
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DocScrutinizerI checked the version, looked good. But you never know19:06
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lcukwell, you would know19:07
lcukor some would19:07
DocScrutinizer~spank DocScrutinizer19:07
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* infobot bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks.19:07
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CorsacSpeedEvil: yeah but I wasn't at home when it happened so it's not wlan-connected19:08
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* lcuk goes and cleans stuff19:11
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GeneralAntillesMan, the kexec instructions for MeeGo on N900 are terrible.19:13
DocScrutinizeryeeha, starting pingtest -> DocScrutinizer51 xchat relogin19:13
DocScrutinizerman that's scary19:13
MohammadAG* DocScrutinizer51 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)19:15
MohammadAGFreenode's kill messages aren't that accurate19:15
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DocScrutinizerthe pattern is: xchat missing ping response for >180sec -> starts to relogin19:16
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: there is a 240s timeout on freenodes end now19:17
SpeedEvilIt used to be 10 min, which I preferred19:17
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DocScrutinizerto me it seems like xchat is *sleeping* and thus the timer for ping response times out. Then when I do whatever with the device (even moving it may sufice) xchat wakes up, notices timer expiry and reconnects/reauthenticates19:18
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: odd. I wonder if it could be a lan powersave thing19:18
DocScrutinizerI changed lan powersaving from max to medium -> no change19:19
DocScrutinizersame issue am UMTS as well19:19
DocScrutinizerit seems19:19
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DocScrutinizeranyway, I see odd ssh 'breaks' like ~60sec roundtrip time for a keystroke occasionally as well19:20
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MohammadAGlagometer is full here19:20
SpeedEvilnever ever seen that.19:20
ShadowJKI thought lagometer was disabled19:20
DocScrutinizerwhat is lagometer. never seen that on xchat19:21
SpeedEvilI never see >500ms responses - even if it's been idle for hours19:21
* Shapeshifter notices that the n900 display is hard to use using your nose.19:21
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, View > Network Meters > both19:21
ShapeshifterI demand a fix!!!!11119:21
* MohammadAG breaks Shapeshifter's nose19:21
MohammadAGfixed? :P19:21
* lcuk punches Shapeshifter in the nose19:21
DocScrutinizer51no diff19:22
* MohammadAG punches Shapeshifter again, this time for the laughs19:22
DocScrutinizer51going back to off19:22
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm on my PC and it's full to19:22
MohammadAGgive it a minute or so to calculate19:22
* DocScrutinizer sighs19:23
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MohammadAG any ideas?19:23
* DocScrutinizer51 waits19:24
javispedrocould not open display19:24
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javispedro& could not open d-bus19:24
javispedroso, export DISPLAY=$XEPHYRDISPLAY, and run-standalone.sh19:24
MohammadAG(sdk btw)19:24
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MohammadAGdisplay's running19:24
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* MohammadAG exports again19:25
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javispedrois this a diablo program19:26
DocScrutinizer51now here no lagometer19:26
lcukDocScrutinizer51, if you are having problems with ssh also, its your connection and not the app surely19:27
DocScrutinizer51seems it doesn't work with mz particular layout of xchat19:27
javispedrothen dunno -- I do not know about pygtk19:27
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: that's what I think as well19:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, time for a new router? :)19:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, do the pingtest test here (on your PC)19:28
javispedroDocScrutinizer: did you try without WLAN PSM / powersaving?19:28
DocScrutinizerdo you think te old one bitrot during N900 repair?19:28
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javispedro*sees backlog* Note that medium vs max is just a timer thing19:28
javispedrotry disabled/none to see any difference19:29
JaffaX-Fade: ping19:29
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SpeedEviljavispedro: Is there anyuwhere to tweak powersave more?19:29
SpeedEviljavispedro: wlan powersave I mean19:29
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I think I tried that, with no result19:29
javispedroSpeedEvil: wext shows some tunnables19:30
DocScrutinizeranyway will check again19:30
javispedrothe normal powersaving pipeline goes like19:30
ptlX-Fade: what is your most sincere opinion about the whole RC PR1.2 case?19:30
javispedroicd checks current network activity -> tells libicd-network-wlan (closed) -> tells via dbus wlancond --> tells kernel via wext19:31
* lcuk what kind of spraypaint will work nicely on the bezel/back of my n90019:31
lcuk- /me19:31
SpeedEviljavispedro: wext?19:31
javispedroiwconfig, iwpriv, ...19:31
SpeedEviljavispedro: ah19:31
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SpeedEviljavispedro: I can see on/off powersave - I don't see more gradations.19:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: changed to 'none'19:32
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DocScrutinizerlet's see19:32
javispedroSpeedEvil: yes..19:32
SpeedEviljavispedro: ah - iwconfig i/f power19:33
Khertanptl, i think i didn't care actually :) as it s sunday19:33
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javispedrowlancond (the only opened component besides the kernel) is the one implementing the medium/max gradiation iirc19:33
SpeedEviljavispedro: Is there a way to read back the info?19:33
Khertanptl, i mean it s sunday so probably not connected :)19:33
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mikki-kunis there actually a way to get a TTY open on the n900?19:34
mikki-kunnot just an xterm19:34
javispedroSpeedEvil: I'm looking at it and MAX => short cam, MED => long cam.19:35
SpeedEviljavispedro: cam?19:35
javispedrono clue either.19:35
javispedro*clue here.19:35
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: yes - you can get it on tty3 on the serial port ont he back reportedly19:36
mikki-kunserial port on the back?19:36
mikki-kundid i kind of miss a port?19:36
SpeedEvilyes - it's under the battery - the gold pads19:37
SpeedEvilhowever - I don't have details of which is which. Also - these are 1.8V - so you'd need a voltage converter at least19:38
RST38hlcuk: I doubt it is a good idea to spraypaint n900 bezel19:38
RST38hlcuk: the back cover should be paintable though19:38
mikki-kunmeh, why does the n900 actually die if you take out the battery but have it in the wall?19:38
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* javispedro knows of older devices that literally die if you remove the battery while charging19:39
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RST38hmikki: power and charging circuitry decoupled and only connects throught he battery?19:39
mikki-kunmehhh, bad solution imo19:39
RST38hand hello, javis19:39
DocScrutinizerhmm, no relogin of DocScrutinizer51  for the last 8 minutes ;-P19:39
mikki-kuni mean, what if the battery is broken?19:40
javispedroso it is PSM19:40
* RST38h would be happier if the word "solution" were only used in its original meaning19:40
RST38hor two meanings, actually.19:40
javispedroah, someone already bricked his n900 by updating =)19:41
lcukRST38h, just need to identify them better!19:42
mikki-kunjavispedro: good or bad news?19:43
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RST38hlcuk: both are well identified in one ancient episode of DrWho19:44
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RST38hlcuk: Where the injured Doctor is going through his medkit: potion...potion...solution! He drinks the solution, and a wheelchair appears out of nowhere19:44
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* DocScrutinizer wonders why DrWho never gained that popularity in Germany19:46
RST38hAnyone knows anuthing about Ubuntu 10.04 and MaemSDK+?19:46
RST38hDocS: Was shown with the original English soundtrack? :)19:46
lcukDocScrutinizer, cos they are too busy idolising the hoff19:47
RST38hDocS: Most Germans could not understand the British humor or irony? :)19:47
fralsRST38h: im running ubuntu 10.04 32bit and maemosdk here19:47
Khertan<javispedro> ah, someone already bricked his n900 by updating =) <<< i count 3 ...19:47
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RST38hfrals: Yes but is it SB1 or SB2?19:47
fralsno idea19:47
RST38hfrals: I am using SB2 (can't stand SB1) and wondering if the upgrade will do me good19:47
javispedroKhertan: heh.19:48
javispedrono idea --> sb1 :)19:48
Khertanone from tmo19:48
fralsscratchbox-core                             1.0.1619:48
Khertanand two from a french forum19:48
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RST38hii  scratchbox2                                2.0-lta12319:49
RST38hKhertan: schlemazels.19:49
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KhertanRST38h, :)19:49
Khertanbut "stupids" is more appropriate ... using a leaked firmware ...19:50
javispedrosee why we need international forums on tmo? :)19:50
Chikusomeone try QT mobile weather? how to setup country?19:50
Khertanjavispedro,  :)19:50
KhertanChiku, it s not just a demo ?19:50
RST38hKhertan: that is
Chikuthere are 2 packages19:51
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DocScrutinizerhmm, for some weird reason N900 gets a new IP with virtually each new DHCP lease on my router. Usually the dhcp server tries to keep IP for a MAC19:52
Khertandepends on the dhcp server19:53
* DocScrutinizer wonders if N900 is using random MACs for WLAN19:53
nid0router issue? mine tends to assign the same ip fine for my n90019:53
Khertanlol nope19:53
nid0even though i've now statically set it to do so19:53
Khertanthe mac is always the same19:53
* SpeedEvil should probably learn to work out how to setup dhcp.19:53
* SpeedEvil still just does static.19:53
nid0on a router, its usually a complex as ticking "enable"...19:53
* DocScrutinizer will config a fixed MAC->IP for N900, on his router19:54
nid0thats what i ended up doing19:54
DocScrutinizerbtw still no ping-timeout :-D19:54
Khertanspeedevil the best way to use dhcp is to do a : /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop19:54
RST38hDocS: There is an easy way around it19:54
nid0it was almost always giving my device the same ip anyway tho :p19:54
DocScrutinizerthough that doesn't proove anything yet19:54
RST38hDocS: Lease IP for a long amount of time, you can usually set this in dhcp client19:54
RST38hDocS: And specifically tie your MAC to a static IP in the router settings19:55
DocScrutinizerRST38h: please can you use Doc: rather than DocS:19:55
RST38hDoc: Probably can, but only if you continue reminding :)19:55
javispedroI don't see the need for "fixed" DHCP allocations... just use static IP and a DNS caching proxy on the router (so the settings on every client are easy to remember)19:57
javispedroconnecting is slightly faster this way, for a start.19:58
nid0eh? how do client settings get any easier than just leaving them all to dhcp and setting any static addresses you need at the router end?19:58
DocScrutinizerssh to N900 tends to be an annoyance, with these everchanging IPs19:58
javispedronote "fixed DHCP".19:58
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javispedroofc DHCP (or even private autoassignation) is easier.19:58
GAN900DocScrutinizer, use a better router firmware!19:59
DocScrutinizeranyway the router has a "closed" OS (zyxel P660) and I have to live with what DHCP setup offers there20:00
ShapeshifterRST38h: here's a tip. D+Tab == DocScrutinizer20:00
RST38hDoc: I am using fixed IPs for every device in the house20:00
RST38hShapeshifter: Thank you. It is not gonna work in IRCII20:01
* RST38h cackles20:01
DocScrutinizerRST38h: I'm sharing my WLAN to some neighbours, so no way for a fixed-IP_only setup20:01
ShapeshifterRST38h: and why exactly would you be using ircii?20:01
dottedmagDocScrutinizer: I have installed avahi-daemon and now it's as easy as "ssh hostname.local"20:01
RST38hBecause I like it?20:01
dottedmagDocScrutinizer: Installed to N90020:02
RST38hDoc: You do not need to do this to EVERY client, just yours20:02
DocScrutinizerfsck avahi20:02
ShapeshifterRST38h: imainge someone typing in your name everytime20:02
javispedroavahi's not that bad.20:02
DocScrutinizeranyway I doubt my router knows avahi at all20:02
RST38hShape: Do I care?20:02
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dottedmagDocScrutinizer: no you ever know how does it work?20:02
ShapeshifterArr Ess Tee Thirtyeight eytch20:03
javispedromore, more!20:03
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: can you not tell your dhcpd to keep off some IPs?20:03
DocScrutinizernot exactly, but I'm sure I need some other avahi-aware devices in my network if I want avahi on N900 to work20:03
javispedroDocScrutinizer: think of avahi as "distributed DNS service".20:04
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: each avahi client will known each other avahi client names.20:04
DocScrutinizerhmm, my friend started using a minimac with fsckng avahi in my WLAN. maybe this caused all the trouble20:04
dottedmagjavispedro: s/avahi/Zeroconf/ even20:04
javispedroavahi == zeroconf == mdns == bonjour  for me20:04
* RST38h watched javispedro pray to the Tentacled One20:05
dottedmagjavispedro: well, there's non-avahi implementation of Zeroconf from Apple to be precise :-P20:05
javispedrosame idea, same concept.20:05
dottedmagSame protocol, I'd say.20:06
javispedroRST38h: I'm sure the tentacled one will enjoy festing upon them.20:06
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javispedroI do not have his phone number to ask though =)20:06
RST38hjavispedro: Looks like he is already getting some action20:06
DocScrutinizeranyway, I'm not going to add further layers of complexity over a simple concept like DHCP, to cover any problems that arised out of nowhere20:07
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RST38hDoc: Static IPs should be sufficient20:08
RST38hIf you do not want to assign static IPs to your devices, nothing stops you from continual suffering, we will understand :)20:08
nid0much as I hate to be a bastard, I do find the people now panicing over their dead phones following 1.2 upgrades then downgrading to 1.1.1 rather funny20:08
javispedro++ :)20:08
DocScrutinizerRST38h: and that's roundabout what I'm going to config20:08
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DocScrutinizernid0: ++20:09
javispedrothe worst part is that fatalsaint is right in that thread :)20:10
javispedro"I like how people will trust a random new account whose first post is to post a chinese link with a "supposed" leaked firmware enough to risk their phones by flashing it....20:10
javispedroBut when a long standing member of the community puts up a simple warning he's discarded outright. Pure genious. "20:10
javispedroah, the people.20:10
nid0well in fairness it has turned out that the leaked firmware is legit enough20:10
javispedro"legit enough?"20:10
nid0its just none of the eagre beavers bothered to check whether it updates the cellular modem and prevents downgrades20:11
nid0and its not like that hasnt happened before.20:11
microlithwhich package does that?20:11
nid0"legit enough" as in it actually is a firmware image and one that works, rather than just a hoax, it's just that much like 1.1 it upgrades the modem firmware as well20:11
* lbt gives in and looks at pmo20:12
javispedroready, smile, and dive in!20:12
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kthomas_vhanyone know where to find an ovi maps distro for maemo?20:12
javispedroah, now someone is suggesting reflashing the emmc!20:13
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javispedrowhich will do wonders considering that on pr1.2 some system stuff is copied to /opt on first boot!20:13
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: are those 1.2phones really bricked?20:13
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nid0well theyre not bricked, theyll carry on working on 1.1.1 with no cell modem, or work on 1.220:14
javispedroDocScrutinizer: they will either have to live with pr1.2 or accept temporary loss of phone functionality. not bricked.20:14
DocScrutinizerfair enough ;-P20:14
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nid0afaik after people moaned about the 1.1 issue along the same lines, someone did figure out a method of downgrading the cell modem firmware though20:15
nid0if my memory isnt making that up and it actually worked, the same probably would again20:15
Jaffanid0: IIRC, didn't they downgrade to PR1.0 and then upgrade one or two bits manually to PR1.120:15
nid0possibly, I just remember there was talk of a workaround that would let 1.0 phones work properly after having the cell firmware upgraded20:16
nid0whether it was by upgrading parts of 1.0 individually to work with the firmware, or by finding a way to downgrade the firmware itself, I wouldnt know for sure20:16
DocScrutinizerwell it's quite simple: downgrade to last image containing a modem firmware, then from there upgrade to whatever you want to live with20:17
javispedrothe issue is that the chipset will not accept older firmwares afaiu20:17
DocScrutinizerobviously downgrading from a FW-image to a non-FW one doesn't work20:17
nid0I dont think reflashing to an image with an older modem firmware will overwrite the newer firmware20:17
DocScrutinizerthat's odd20:17
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: it's your usual anti-cracking protection.20:18
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DocScrutinizerthat's *ODD* and *BAD*20:18
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DocScrutinizeranyway such a pattern usually is implemented in the firmware itself, so you can 'upgrade' to a FW that doesn't forbid downgrading20:20
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DocScrutinizeror you force the modem to use the ROM resident bootstrap flasher rather than the 'OS'-based one20:21
javispedrothe older thread where qwerty12 installed diablo from the official nokia repos20:21
javispedro(before the official release, I mean)20:22
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javispedrojust to compare reactions =)20:23
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javispedroat least back the local hildon guru was the first to try it :)20:23
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wazd~seen qwerty1220:24
infobotqwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 149d 23h 45s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'.20:24
DocScrutinizer(downgrading modem firmware) what's the supposed recovery path for a borked modem FW flash?20:24
wazd mythical person indeed :D20:24
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javispedroso it's not psm?20:25
DocScrutinizerobviously not20:25
javispedrowell bad news, cause you now seemingly have a bad hw?20:25
DocScrutinizerno idea20:26
DocScrutinizerwill reflash from scratch20:26
wazdjavispedro: DrNokSnes works brilliant on n900 btw :)20:26
javispedrowazd: thanks :)20:26
* javispedro cackles while reading that thread and watching some people think that maemo 5 would run on "three devices" (n800, n810, n810+1)20:27
DocScrutinizerOMFG 78 pages20:28
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FIQlol @ leaked PR1.220:31
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hrw|goneGeneralAntilles: 21:50 < GeneralAntilles> Hrm, hrw needs to be offered a cloak.20:31
hrw|goneGeneralAntilles: ?20:31
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GAN900hrw, you want a Maemo/community/contributor/hrw cloak?20:37
DocScrutinizer~lart DocScrutinizer5120:38
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hrwGAN900: no, I do not want it20:41
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hrwGAN900: but I appreciate offer20:42
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hrwGAN900: I thought about cloaks for freenode few years ago but decided against them. those who know me know that I contribute(d) to maemo, openembedded, opie, gpe, openmoko etc so why limit to one cloak20:43
GAN900hrw, OK20:43
Shapeshiftermh. when I try to ssh -X onto my n900 with DISPLAY set to :2.0 (my Xephyr window), Xephyr segfaults upon connecting. That's odd.20:43
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I really doubt occasional packet-loss or app-freeze or whatever causes the xchat ping-timeouts could be a hw issue at all20:45
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DocScrutinizeranyone to explain to me the quit-msg reason meanings?20:49
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DocScrutinizer(Client Quit). (Quit: Leaving.). (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (Disconnected by services).  (Read error: Connection reset by peer).20:50
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: does other stuff do it?20:51
SpeedEvilconnection reset by peer may mean 'peer went away'20:51
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: err, do what?20:51
trumeeso leaked firmware does render phone useless. crap20:51
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I mean - can you set a laptop to the same as the n900...20:51
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* DocScrutinizer seems really stupid today20:52
trumeestrange that phone modem firmware cannot be degraded20:52
DocScrutinizertrumee: read irclog of last ~3h20:53
trumeetmo was exciting today. atleast some people had some joy in the long weekend20:53
DocScrutinizertrumee: grep 'modem'20:53
trumeeDocScrutinizer: cheers20:53
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SpeedEvilI just realised.20:53
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SpeedEvilThis would be _really_ cool20:53
trumeeDocScrutinizer: so the verdict is, its not good?20:54
SpeedEvilIf you could do it with the mic20:54
SpeedEvilPick up a random keyboard, do some calibration - and just have it work - with no connection at all.20:54
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: not a good outcome20:56
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: eavesdrop kbd by keypress unique sounds?20:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes20:56
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: or rather - use keyboard without wired or wireless connection.20:56
DocScrutinizerwhich is basically the same20:57
trumeei have never used an iphone, but this it have an auto correcting dictionary?20:57
SpeedEvilyes - however eavesdrop means generally covert. This would be intended by the user20:57
trumeetyping on small keyboard makes me do spelling mistakes20:57
DocScrutinizerhmm, yes. But my background is generally more of the dark side20:58
SpeedEviltrumee: I'm gettin ~30wpm on the hw keyboard - after taking corrections into account20:58
trumeeSpeedEvil: i need much more practice :)20:59
lcukGeneralAntilles, did you ever take a speed test on your 900?20:59
SpeedEviltrumee: My laptop broke for a week20:59
lcukyou type faster on a handheld than anyone i know20:59
SpeedEviltrumee: So I used it for a week20:59
trumeeSpeedEvil: do u keep capitals and auto space enabled?20:59
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you're aware of the plenty different ways to eavesdrop on kbds, monitors, dunno what, by catching their EM radiation and decoding it?20:59
SpeedEviltrumee: no21:00
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes21:00
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer; however - the n900 doesn't have a means of doing that - it does have  amic.21:00
SpeedEvil(well - and bluetooth - and maybe a USB host port, but...)21:00
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trumeeSpeedEvil: i disabled them today. didnt like the fact that it worked in some applications only.21:00
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SpeedEviltrumee: that's annoying, yes21:01 and standard mode are slow on N900 :(21:01
DocScrutinizeracoustic monitoring/eavesdropping of a kbd is highly prone to errors, and also needs quite some CPU grunt21:01
DocScrutinizerand a mic much better than what we got on N90021:02
DocScrutinizere.g you'd be interested in 2Hz..200KHz21:03
DocScrutinizerless noise21:03
DocScrutinizeraka beter S7N21:03
DocScrutinizerbetter S/N21:03
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wazdtrumee: gmail? slow?21:08
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Stskeepswazd: how's the n900 so far or did you deliver it ahead already?21:09
wazdStskeeps: no, still playing with it :)21:09
wazdStskeeps: pretty awesome device, like it almost any way :)21:10
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wazdStskeeps: mediaplayer sucks a bit though21:10
DocScrutinizerpakistan taliban -> idiots21:10
ZogG_N900mohammadag hey21:10
Stskeepswazd: i'm quite fond of it, as in, technically, UI wise... no21:10
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DocScrutinizerZogG_N900: london times square21:11
ZogG_N900are u from uk?21:11
wazdStskeeps: well, it's a bit tricky to try to switch the track in landscape mode while walking on a $1k device :D21:11
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ZogG_N900ur nick is shouting that u r german21:11
DocScrutinizerreally? hmmm21:12
Stskeepswazd: there used to be some shake-to-switch thin21:12
ZogG_N900anyone know where sdk gui installer downloading scratchbox files?21:12
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ZogG_N900i can't get it cause of proxy but have on laptop21:12
Stskeepswazd: i'm kinda amazed by sygic for instance, it paused my music while giving turn-by-turn voice directions :P21:13
Stskeepsand turned it back on again afterwards21:13
wazdStskeeps: heh :)21:13
ZogG_N900it sucks it doesn't have israel in maps21:13
Stskeepswell, go petition your country to make your road map data fre21:13
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I'd rm -rf it on their server if it didn't21:13
Stskeepsor less costy21:13
wazdStskeeps: I'm surprised that there are no portrait media player for n900 yet21:14
Stskeepswazd: i'm amazed there's not that many alternative ones21:14
DocScrutinizerwazd: use typefont CC9021:15
lcukwazd, ukmp is portrait - has been since before n900 shipped, konttori put it in and we all said it was the wrong way round21:15
wazd Stskeeps: but anyways, browser is superb, speed is amazing, stability is really good :)21:16
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lcukStskeeps, in open source tihngs dont go missing, shake2control should still be around21:17
Stskeepsyeah, it is21:18
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javispedrowazd: ah, now I see why you were mentioning drnok =) enjoy!21:18
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MohammadAGZogG_N900, hi21:18
wazdjavispedro: :P21:18
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* javispedro didn't know :P21:18
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lcukwazd, how did you do in the competition21:20
wazdlcuk: we've lost, thanks :D21:21
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lcukbah pissy judges dont know quality when it slaps em in face!21:21
lcukyou enjoyed it at fruct?21:21
wazdlcuk: teah, very muck in fact21:22
lcukis it your first one?21:22
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wazdit was a local Summit for me :)21:22
wazdlcuk: nope21:22
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lcukyeah i bet, cool21:22
wazdI got one more fact that if Nokia wants to give someone a device - it gives no matter what :D21:23
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lcukwell even apple cant stop devices falling into the wrong hands21:23
DocScrutinizersorry for OT: what's been the command to enable/block join/quit-msgs?21:23
lcukDocScrutinizer, i dunno last time i needed one of those was years ago21:24
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lcukDocScrutinizer, have you been through the settigns21:24
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: same here, thanks to GUI ;-P21:24
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lcukwazd, who got one that surprised you then21:25
wazdlcuk: I can tell you who didn't get one and that surprised me :)21:26
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DocScrutinizeralas in Kontact you neither can switch the join/quit msgs on a per-chan-basis, nor is there a way to have a convenient shortcut in toolbar or whatever21:27
lcukwell wazd ive been surprised you have been without one for so long :)21:27
wazdlcuk: basically I'm still without it21:27
wazdlcuk: that's not mine actually21:28
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lcukg/me goes rolling on the couch after massive tea anyway21:28
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wazdbut I was talking bout javispedro anyways :)21:29
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: huh?21:29
javispedrothat's what I say too: huh?21:30
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wazdjavispedro: well, you were far from the first row to get the device21:31
MohammadAGSuppose someone updates to PR1.2, the modem is also upgraded, if that person goes down to 1.1.1, and reflashes the CMT, would it work?21:31
* MohammadAG guesses not21:31
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lcukwazd, huh indeed21:31
javispedrobecause first (or second) row was in amsterdam21:31
sandstormI suspect my battery is getting drained too fast, how can I examine the source, btw I use a screen film on my device hope it does not arbitrarily activate proximity sensor while it is off or on.21:31
nid0it may well be, some do21:32
nid0how fast is fast, anyway21:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: reflashes CMT?21:32
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, GSM firmware21:33
DocScrutinizersandstorm: 1) use powertop  2) nope21:33
javispedrowazd: btw I have DDP device21:34
sandstormDocScrutinizer: thanks for enlightenment I am on powertop atm21:34
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, reason I'm asking is21:34
MohammadAG@MohammadAG Because you can extract the CMT package from PR1.1.1 and flash it onto a RC1.2 device to overwrite the tertiarty GSM firmware.21:34
MohammadAGsorry about the 3 lines21:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: [2010-05-02 19:17:29] <javispedro> the issue is that the chipset will not accept older firmwares afaiu21:34
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: [2010-05-02 19:17:44] <nid0> I dont think reflashing to an image with an older modem firmware will overwrite the newer firmware21:35
MohammadAGty again21:35
wazdjavispedro: well, it's really nice that your country is not god forsaken land like mine :)21:35
MohammadAGjavispedro, mind if I quote that?21:35
javispedroMohammadAG: note the "afaiu" -- I'm not sure.21:35
MohammadAGjavispedro, well, FIASCO images have the CMT image in them21:35
MohammadAGand I flashed 1.0 after 1.1.1 (to extract some files) and the SIM wasn't recognized21:36
javispedrowazd: and I still have to wonder why..21:36
javispedroMohammadAG: so feel free to quote your own experience then =)21:36
MohammadAGjavispedro, I did, he didn't like it :P21:37
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Tuukkaaaah, many entertaining threats in talk. This day has been really enjoyable :D21:37
ZogG_N900hm sometimes tab combination stops to work21:38
ZogG_N900i mean fn+backspace21:38
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TreibholzZogG: try ctrl-i21:39
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sandstormhow can I figure out what caused a system lock up last time I was doing something just before I removed the battery and do a hard reset?21:40
wall[e]does have a policy for non-english page?21:40
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DocScrutinizersandstorm: no way21:40
MohammadAGcat /proc/bootreason if the shutdown wasn't forced, but you removed the battery so...21:40
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sandstormI thought something like syslogd can help me21:41
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DocScrutinizersandstorm: it would, if you actually have one21:41
MohammadAGwhy did you pull the battery out? holding the power button should shut it down21:41
sandstormit did not shut the device down21:41
sandstormI hold it down and it only turned off the screen21:42
sandstormand when I press it again21:42
sandstormit turned on the screen21:42
sandstormjust as it was21:42
sandstormthat was weird21:42
lcuksandstorm, what were you doing, what strain was the device under?21:42
nid0heh, at least some of the 1.2 upgraders are realising their mistake.....21:42
nid0na lol i feel like a dick. ye this thread is a warning21:42
nid0DONT FLASH with leaked 1.221:42
sandstormI was installing mclock on app manager and also was running battery eye app, nothing else.21:42
sandstormapp manager was in background21:42
lcukthen try same again21:43
lcukand if it works ok, forget about it21:43
sandstormhold on pls21:43
sandstormif it works some kinda deadlock ?21:43
sandstormoccured on that time21:43
sandstormI guess21:43
lcuktheres not a lot you can do again in postmortom really if you gave up etc21:43
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lcukif its reproducable its easier to work out21:43
sandstormok working on it21:44
Maceris there a way to lower the quality of the  video?21:44
Macer5 mins @ 180MB seems a little steep for h26421:44
freehawaiiI am attempting to mount the root jffs2 image21:44
freehawaiiIs there anybody available for a quick brain pick?21:44
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DocScrutinizerif it's reproducable then it's friggin easy to work out. Just have a remote terminal open, with a root account on higer prio21:45
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lcukyup DocScrutinizer21:46
hrw|gonecan someone with pr1.2 show /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files?21:46
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DocScrutinizerher IS NOBODY with PR1.221:46
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DocScrutinizeras everybody here knows pr1.2 will fuck up your modem ;-P21:47
b-manhrw|gone, look at the end of this channel's title ;)21:47
sandstormlcuk: could not reproduce the issue but the state was it was my very first time running battery eye while mclock was installing in background, also noticed that mclock gives a notification and requires acceptance during installation, maybe that screen somehow could not popup while running battery eye for the very first time(initiating databases etc?)21:47
frals[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/fmms] > cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* from pr1.2 sdk21:47
hrw|goneb-man: I see only first ~100 chars21:47
frals(tis empty)21:47
lcukyeah sandstorm possible, have a hunt and see if theres any similar reports21:48
b-man"NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked"21:48
infobotpr1.2 is, like, not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.21:48
sandstormI am on it21:48
hrw|goneI am still with 12 November bet21:48
Macerlooks like i'm pretty much stuck with the quality it gives you for video huh?21:48
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MohammadAGMacer, isn't there an option to lower quality?21:49
MohammadAGI don't use the cam to record video much21:49
lcukthe video from n900 is really crisp21:50
lcuki love the quality of its macro recording21:50
sandstormdo I need to install powertop on maemo ?21:50
MacerMohammadAG: i am looking for it21:50
Macerbut so far i'm not seeing one unless it is somewhere else21:50
sandstormI mean is it already installed or I guess not21:50
DocScrutinizersandstorm: yes21:51
SpeedEvilsandstorm: not21:51
Maceri have a 5 min video that wound up being like 180MB.. that's a little too high21:51
Macerlcuk: yeah. it is very nice video :)21:51
DocScrutinizersandstorm: err, no21:51
MohammadAGffmpeg -i videoin videoout21:51
Maceri'm updating to lucid on my macbook21:51
MohammadAGshould lower it from 180 to 12, and cripple quality big time21:51
sandstormoh ok, should I apt-get it or does app manager see it somewhere21:51
DocScrutinizersandstorm: exactly21:51
MacerMohammadAG: i don't want to be forced to re-encode the video21:51
Maceri want to just lower the video bitrate a bit21:52
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MohammadAGMacer, ffmpeg takes 10 seconds to do that21:52
MacerMohammadAG: but that is a redundant step :)21:52
lcuknot on device it doesnt MohammadAG21:52
Maceri hate redundancy21:52
Macerlike having to run a debian chroot for an office app heh21:52
MohammadAGlcuk, is ffmpeg available on device?21:52
MohammadAGas an encoder21:52
lcuki dunno, you are the youthful geezer who can run around the web looking :p21:53
Macerspeaking of which. i was going to give the bt keyboard a test run in openoffice21:53
* lcuk is an old fart21:53
rlinfatiif a found a bug on leaked pr1.2.... i can report on bugzilla ? ( maemo extras app )21:53
* frals slaps lcuk with a trout, take that old fart!21:53
Macerleaked pr1.2? :) heh. that doesn't sound like a good thing21:53
MohammadAGno, you can't, chances are it got fixed in the 4 weeks that got missed21:53
DocScrutinizerrlinfati: ülease stop telling utter nonsense21:53
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fralsbah, need to write a parser to backup everything from a specific gconfkey21:54
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: suggestion?21:54
Macerfrals: use a bt keyboard and vi21:54
MohammadAGcan't find a word for it :P21:54
ProteousIT'S A TRAP!21:54
Maceram i going crazy or is vim a 6MB pkg? :)21:55
MohammadAGTalking about 1.2 prohibited, saying anything about 1.2 will get you kicked?21:55
b-mani prefer nano over vi21:55
* Macer looks for the qt gui21:55
lcukMacer, isnt vim an entire operating system?21:55
Macerlcuk: haha21:55
TuukkaMacer, vi is ugly leafpad ftw21:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: too strict21:55
MohammadAGGUI ftl21:55
MohammadAG1.2 leaks then :)21:55
Maceri don't mind vi that much. and vim is ok21:55
fralsMacer: i have actually coded on vi on device21:56
b-manconsole ftw :DD21:56
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: too long :-P21:56
Macerbut i don't see how vim justifies itself being at a 6MB pkg heh21:56
MohammadAGTalking about 1.2 leaks will get you kicked21:56
lcuk6mb isnt that big21:56
MohammadAGTwitter has its uses ^21:56
Macerlcuk: how big is vi?21:56
lcuk2 characters21:56
lcukthe m is the kicker21:56
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javispedro"I was shocked when I found out that a SNES emulator didn't emulate NES!" Shocking!21:57
hrw|goneauthor of is funny21:57
Macerjavispedro: hahahaha21:57
summelhow is 1.2 a leak? i thought it got released in hong kong? oO21:57
Macersummel: hahahaha! no.. that is the knockoff release21:57
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Macerlike the old punch-out game where you had to fight the white guy instead of mike tyson21:58
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summelwell they should release it anyways21:58
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summelio guess i could sue them xD21:58
fralsyes try that, please21:58
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Maceri read an awesome blog about how opensource stuff creates frustration unlike apple who waits until products are done before they announce them :)21:58
* MohammadAG gets popcorn and passes it to frals 21:58
Macer+1 for the iphone i suppose21:58
wall[e]i think xo-3 looks nice21:59
summel*slaps Macer*21:59
* frals takes the popcorn and runs off to code instead of reading all the bs around the leaked bs21:59
SceltDocScrutinizer: ? anyone googling "nokia pr 1.2" would see that as the third result. no big secret there21:59
Macerfrals: hahaha21:59
javispedroMacer: I read that too and think that they're completely right21:59
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DocScrutinizerScelt: also no big secret21:59
javispedronow comes the part where I prefer the frustation instead of the surprises..21:59
wall[e]looking for white paper they uses to design the system21:59
Macerjavispedro: well.. that's the curse of opensource.. not to mention the frustration when they realize there is no true official support other than community support and wind up finding a billion bugs22:00
DocScrutinizerScelt: and of course the chan topic is no secret22:00
Macernokia is simply outsourcing22:00
Macerfor free22:00
* lcuk goes coding22:01
javispedroMacer: not really -- I don't believe in the bazaar model much.22:01
lcukjavispedro, you are in it22:02
javispedrothey get something ofc, but not that much to be called "outsourcing".22:02
Goliath23anyone using the nokia qt sdk yet? I try to use the simulator, but I only get the message "The program has unexpectedly finished"22:02
Macerjavispedro: i dunno. seems like outsourcing to me :)22:02
Maceroutsourcing at no cost to themselves22:02
Macerawesome business model22:02
javispedrolcuk: we're also both on a much larger much more cathedral-like  one (maemo itself)22:03
Goliath23when I start the executable in the simulation-build working directory, it starts the simulator but it doesnt react on clicks or anything...22:03
mikki-kunhm, where is the data of the google-widget?22:03
Goliath23(linux 64bit btw.)22:03
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Macerit is cheaper to let a hobbyist do their job for them then to pay some real non-3rd world country coder the $80K/yr to make it for them :)22:03
mikki-kuni'd like to change the webaddress of it, so it points to and not some mobile version of it22:03
Maceryou don't think they actually opensource stuff just because they're "all about the community" do you? nokia is like any other business... all about money :)22:03
javispedroMacer: the hobbyst won't do the 99th iteration of the note pad app. the 3rd world country coder for money will!22:04
lcukjavispedro, do not underestimate just how many "notepad" applications there are in linux22:04
javispedro(the feature-less builtin notepad app -- you can ofc find loads of more complex and more specific note taking apps)22:04
lcukits almost as many as hello world22:04
lcukand media players22:04
Maceri think i saw like 10 in the current maemo 5 repos.. :)22:05
SpeedEvil99th iteration of an app?22:05
* SpeedEvil points at frals.22:05
Macerbut no nano :(22:05
* frals looks around22:05
lcukSpeedEvil, frals past 99 on his first day22:05
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Macerthe hard line is opensource, the bottom line is cash :)22:06
Macermoney unspent is profit22:06
Macercoders cost22:06
Macercreate a following and exploit it. i think they took that lesson from religion :)22:07
Macerwhich is why i love nokia haha22:07
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javispedroso where didn't they spent money?22:07
Macerjavispedro: they didn't have to pay their own in house coder to make a notepad app ;)22:07
javispedrooh, they did.22:07
javispedroosso-notes is closed :)22:07
PerfDaveThing about free software is that it allows other people to make the same money too though.22:08
MacerPerfDave: personally i think the opensource stuff helps more on a resume than the pocket22:08
javispedrothey didn't have to develop all the hard parts from a UI toolkit...22:08
sandstormas far as I've read, there should be a Nokia powertop version which had came with N900 original firmware but I cannot find it at the moment.22:08
Macerwho wouldn't want to hire the guy who made vi? :)22:08
* MohammadAG raises hand22:09
javispedro(but third parties usually just license a UI toolkit and are done with it)22:09
Macerbecause if they did it for free.. imagine what they would make for money22:09
luke-jrvi kinda sucks22:09
luke-jrvim, on the other hand...22:09
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Macerluke-jr: i'm sure it didn't suck when it came out22:09
luke-jrMacer: meh, if it was vi vs WordStar, I'd probably go for the latter22:10
fralsMacer: quite a difference coding for money and coding for fun - i'd imagine22:10
Macerfrals: probably22:10
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Treibholzcoding for fun is coding for perfection, coding for money is getting it done ASAP.22:10
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korhojoaAny of you guys done any assembler coding for ARM ?22:11
Maceri would suspect the largest difference is when you are not a project leader22:11
korhojoaoh, where's PR1.2 ?22:11
* korhojoa awaits22:11
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Macerwhereas when making your own stuff you are the project leader22:11
Macerbut then again you have limited time and resources22:11
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chem|stkorhojoa: I wanna get payed to touch assembler again22:11
javispedroTreibholz: coding for fun is usually coding for your own definition of perfection.22:12
Maceranyways. going to make a pizza and relax. it's sunday.22:12
javispedroa lot of times, it doesn't align well with commercial interests.22:12
Treibholzjavispedro: yes.22:12
javispedro(but sometimes it does! enjoy those!)22:12
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wall[e]you should kick user including a reason in the kicking message22:13
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wall[e]or that was just for fun22:14
javispedropr1.2 is old already. when is pr1.3 going to be released?22:14
luke-jrscrew that22:15
luke-jrI want pr1.522:15
* Treibholz wants HURD with e17 on his n90022:15
wall[e]any attempt on porting l4?22:16
* wall[e] googles22:16
GeneralAntillesJaffa, damnit, is it Sunday again? :P22:16
shinkamuiso what ever came of that thread of the 1.2 hong kong fw22:16
Treibholzwall[e]: "recent" HURD versions of HURD still runn on MACH22:16
* Shapeshifter wants nokia to release duke nukem forever for maemo 5 for free please kthx22:16
luke-jrTreibholz: not happening22:16
chem|stshinkamui: 20+ days old RC22:16
Treibholzluke-jr: don't destroy my dreams!22:16
wall[e]Treibholz, yeh, but i want l4 not hurd :)22:17
luke-jrTreibholz: next time buy a device that can run a free OS22:17
ZogG_N900so anyone here know bug when call ended music starts to play?22:17
ZogG_N900is it fixed in pr1.2?22:17
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shinkamuimy podcasts randomly start22:17
Treibholzluke-jr: you mean x86-based?22:17
chem|stZogG_N900: I got that and its funny22:18
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wall[e]hurd should be running over linux with some extensions?22:18
ZogG_N900chem|st, not relly. teacher shoutetmat me at colledge22:18
chem|stZogG_N900: will tell you that22:18
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wall[e]n900 can't run any kernel?22:19
chem|stZogG_N900: I got more serious stuff to worry about than a teacher yelling at me22:19
wall[e]i thought custom module is allowed22:19
arachnistwall[e]: WTF?22:19
arachnistwall[e]: HURD is HURD, linux is linux22:19
Treibholzwall[e]: I'm sure someone is porting netbsd....22:19
wall[e]arachnist, hurd isn't a kernel22:20
arachnistwall[e]: HURD has virtually no hardware support22:20
arachnistwall[e]: oh, really?22:20
wall[e]more like process threads running around a kernel22:20
chem|stHURD will be ready for release, next year22:20
Treibholzarachnist: you can run linux on top of windows...22:20
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chem|stTreibholz: you can run windows on top of linux22:20
wall[e]linux has similar kernel threads implemented22:20
hrw|gone~hail MTD and NANDSIM22:20
* infobot bows down to MTD and NANDSIM and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"22:20
Treibholzchem|st: not without virtualisation!22:20
hrw|goneI have pr1.2rc in /mnt/ on my desktop22:21
hrw|gonetime to hack22:21
arachnistwall[e]: still, HURD is a kernel of its own22:21
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Treibholzchem|st: but linux was ported to windows -> colinux22:21
wall[e]arachnist, nah, its kernel is mach22:21
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chem|stTreibholz: wine project does a pretty good job22:22
luke-jrTreibholz: or MIPS... or ARM if you don't need 3D22:22
wall[e]arachnist, or l422:23
luke-jrwall[e]: the hardware interfaces are not documneted, so propritary drivquired22:23
Treibholzchem|st: thats like... artificial honey22:23
wall[e]very experiment though22:23
luke-jrdrivers are required*22:23
chem|stTreibholz: y[]p22:23
MohammadAGlcuk, LOL 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 23.8653 s, 90.0 MB/s22:23
MohammadAGon my PC ^22:23
korhojoato where?22:23
korhojoaHD to HD ?22:23
wall[e]luke-jr, I see the point, i think it's similar to  nvidia driver though22:24