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| b-man | ~echo | 00:03 |
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| infobot | somebody said echo was an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://astbook.asteriskdocs.org/en/2nd_Edition/asterisk-book-html-chunk/asterisk-CHP-8-SECT-5.html, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting | 00:03 |
| b-man | lol | 00:03 |
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| mece | what's the name of the default maemo Qt style? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | Maemo? Qt style? | 00:15 |
| mece | well yeah. when make something qt in maemo, it uses a default style, unless you tell it to use something. I was wondering what that style is called. | 00:17 |
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| Mace_N900 | hm. is there a changdelog for 1.2? i just wanted to see something.. or do you just look it up at bugzilla? | 00:21 |
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| mece | ah it's called "QMaemo5Style" in case you wanted to know. | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:27 |
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| Dima202 | Has anyone here tried chess on the n900? I am having difficulty winning medium setting. I've been at it for 3 days now | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | mece, oh, sorry didn't see that, was going to suggest you ask noobmonk3y but he's not here | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | Dima202: you're skilled? | 00:29 |
| LoCusF | mord: w00t | 00:29 |
| mece | the trouble is that fucker won't listen to style sheets.. by that fcker I mean QListView. It's REALLY annoying. I don't feel like creating a custom style just to change the background of a list view. | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dima202: rumour has it maemo-chess is way too clever even at lowest setting. Allegedly due to request of some Nokia product manager who thought it was not at par with his exceptional chess skills :-P | 00:30 |
| b-man | rofl | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:31 |
| b-man | <Nokia Manager> this game is wayyy to easy for my mad skills | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | <Some Nokia Tester> yo devs, this game's a bit hard, no one will be able to finish it | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | (think of a reply, I'm bored :P) | 00:33 |
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| kpel | MohammadAG: the developers' reply doesn't matter. it goes straight to /dev/null | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | LOL was gonna say that | 00:34 |
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| MohammadAG | well not /dev/null, but same concept :P | 00:34 |
| b-man | <Nokia Manager> Meh, i'll just ignore the dev's request and slap a fixed in harmatten lable on it | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | <Superior Nokia Manager> Screw Harmattan *mv bug /dev/null* | 00:35 |
| Dima202 | luke-jr, im a casual player not professional | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | what about 1.2? | 00:35 |
| Dima202 | DocScrutinizer, that might actually explain it then. | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | Dima202: i win easily on medium | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | Dima202: so play easy | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | IMO, "Medium" should be for a novice professional :P | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | so the advanced pros can play "Hard" | 00:38 |
| Dima202 | yeah easy is tricky but winning is a possibitly medium is no atm | 00:40 |
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| mece | damn this is frustrating!! | 00:43 |
| kpel | uninstall it and win the final battle :) | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dima202: my parser segfaulted with a megaton detonation on trying to dissect that sequence of lexems | 00:45 |
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| Dima202 | DocScrutinizer, lay of the chronic for a few days :) | 00:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Dima202 might be a Vogon, composing a new poem | 00:52 | |
| * Dima202 My poetry is good. You must listen and like it | 00:54 | |
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| Dima202 | I think everyone experiences these Vogon rhymes :( | 00:56 |
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| Dima202 | I bought a book to improve my game http://www.amazon.com/Tricky-Chess-Tactics-Fred-Wilson/dp/1580420761/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272751255&sr=8-1 | 01:02 |
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| lardman|refuelin | night all! | 01:09 |
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| MohammadAG | any idea where built in icons go? | 01:24 |
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| mece | OMG I'm making progress! | 01:51 |
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| BCMM | mece: on what? | 01:53 |
| mece | BCMM, changeing the background color of QListWidget. | 01:53 |
| mece | Now I can move on to other things. | 01:53 |
| mece | I hate it when I get stuck. | 01:53 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, you'll unstuck yourself, don't worry | 01:54 |
| mece | I did already. | 01:54 |
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| mece | hmm what's the simplest way of displaying an image? | 01:57 |
| mece | in qt. | 01:58 |
| mece | QImage :) | 01:59 |
| mece | duh | 01:59 |
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| Macer | sure wish my su8w had better support in maemo5 | 03:01 |
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| Macer | but the thing was meant for an N95 so i can't really be too angry about it | 03:01 |
| Macer | and plus.. bt keyboards have to be enabled manually which is a pain all on its own :) | 03:01 |
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| kthomas_vh | way to install apps to memory card (n810)? | 03:06 |
| Macer | kthomas_vh: usually helps to boot from the memory card | 03:08 |
| Macer | there are instructions all over the interwebs | 03:09 |
| Macer | hm | 03:09 |
| Macer | what i need to find out is how do i increase this rootfs size | 03:09 |
| Macer | what is it on the n900.. like 2GB? :) | 03:09 |
| Macer | default should have been 4 | 03:09 |
| Macer | heh | 03:09 |
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| Macer | maybe i can shove a 16GB SD in there and mount it in some dir that will give me some more space | 03:10 |
| Macer | heh | 03:10 |
| Macer | i want to try out easy debian | 03:11 |
| Macer | i hope it keeps its image on the larger portion | 03:11 |
| Macer | let me install it | 03:12 |
| Macer | sounds neet | 03:12 |
| Macer | if it has cups it will be perfect heh | 03:12 |
| kthomas_vh | Macer, thanks | 03:14 |
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| Macer | i guess it does :) let me shove a 16GB SD into it | 03:14 |
| Macer | the placement of the sd slot is kind of odd to me | 03:15 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 03:22 |
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| opdf2 | is there a way to do a fat32 chkdsk on n900? | 03:35 |
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| opdf2 | without a computer | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, just fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 (emmc) | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | well, MyDocs to be more precise | 03:36 |
| opdf2 | MohammadAG_: is it faster if i just connect a usb cable and do a chkdsk? | 03:36 |
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| Macer | well.. looks like i don't need an SD in the G1 for it to work. although the apps beign on the SD made it look ugly. i was going to sell it on ebay or something | 03:36 |
| opdf2 | or is that command faster? | 03:36 |
| Macer | then again i might keep it as a backup phone or something | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, it doesn't take a lot of time, prolly less than a min | 03:37 |
| Macer | i have to format the SD on a windows box or something | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | or two mins | 03:37 |
| opdf2 | MohammadAG_: okay cool | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, you need to be root btw | 03:37 |
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| opdf2 | okay | 03:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | is haze dead or something | 03:38 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ZogG_N900, aren't you from IL? | 03:39 |
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| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, i am | 03:40 |
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| ZogG_N900 | why? | 03:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | so everyone hates Ari or what his name is | 03:41 |
| ZogG_N900 | they act like children | 03:41 |
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| ZogG_N900 | though don't understand nokia too ) | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | ZogG_N900, oh nothing, it's 3:41 AM in the mornin and I'm wondering... | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | :p | 03:41 |
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| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, night shift. security ( | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 03:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | i'm just awake lol | 03:42 |
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| ZogG_N900 | haha good life | 03:42 |
| ZogG_N900 | no work/study? | 03:42 |
| Macer | ah crapper | 03:42 |
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| Macer | this thing is jacked up without the SD in it :) guess i'll have to copy the SD over | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | ZogG_N900, no school, for a day :P | 03:43 |
| opdf2 | does fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 fix errors? | 03:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, how old r u? | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | 16 :) | 03:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, srsly? | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, yes, umount the partition first | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah, why? | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 03:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | your english is great | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | if that doesn't work use -l (might cause damage to data) | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 03:44 |
| opdf2 | okay | 03:44 |
| opdf2 | if fsck didnt say anything about errors, its okay correct? i should only unmount if it did find errors | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, after umounting fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 then remount it (mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs) | 03:45 |
| ZogG_N900 | zits in the ear are pain in ass | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, you really shouldn't fsck while it's mounted :) | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 03:45 |
| ZogG_N900 | haha | 03:45 |
| opdf2 | oops | 03:45 |
| ZogG_N900 | what r u trying to do? | 03:45 |
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| opdf2 | wanted to check for errors on the fat32 partition | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | fsck usually fvcks the filesystem while mounted :) | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | doesn't it warn before doing anything | 03:46 |
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| ZogG_N900 | can u check it on windows btw? | 03:47 |
| ZogG_N900 | fat32 is windows system anyway | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. | 03:47 |
| opdf2 | ZogG_N900: yeah i could | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah, it does | 03:47 |
| * ZogG_N900 is think to merge to ext2 or something simuliar | 03:47 | |
| jlebar | How can I peg the n900's clock to 600mhz? | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | ext3 on my SD card | 03:47 |
| ZogG_N900 | thinking* | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | peg? | 03:48 |
| jlebar | Keep it from being scaled down? | 03:48 |
| ZogG_N900 | ext3 is stupid imho | 03:48 |
| ZogG_N900 | almost same only kills it faster | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, oh you mean fry the N900 | 03:48 |
| ZogG_N900 | jlaire, give it more fuel? ) | 03:49 |
| jlebar | MohammadAG_, Well... | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | ZogG_N900, locking it @ 600 isn't recommended, at all! | 03:49 |
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| jlebar | MohammadAG_, I'm running a benchmark which is behaving very strangely. I'd like to see if that's because of frequency scaling. | 03:50 |
| ZogG_N900 | don't really care as not gonna overclock it | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | ZogG_N900, doesn't matter, 600 is default | 03:50 |
| jlebar | Honestly, if I could peg it to 300mhz, that would be just as good. :) | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, it shouldn't matter | 03:50 |
| jlebar | Why not? | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | no idea though :( | 03:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | you might be able to set minimum using t-tan's kernel | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, that was about the scaling bit :) | 03:51 |
| jlebar | I see. :) | 03:51 |
| jlebar | Or even...can I read the current frequency from within a program? | 03:51 |
| Macer | ugh | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah | 03:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | conky | 03:52 |
| Macer | i have to wipe all this android crap off this thing :) | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, healthcheck | 03:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | widgets | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | or that | 03:52 |
| jlebar | MohammadAG_, that exports an API that I can get to from C? | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | Macer, just put it in the N900 and format it | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, oh, you want C stuff | 03:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | Macer, have u tried it on n900? | 03:52 |
| Macer | MohammadAG_: i need to save it to get my G1 in a workable state after i get some cheap 4G SD for it | 03:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, you can just read a file | 03:52 |
| Macer | i have it in the n900 | 03:52 |
| wall[e] | i am trying to feed live video from n900 front camera to ubuntu, what would be the best solution? | 03:52 |
| Macer | i'm about to wipe it | 03:53 |
| Macer | so i can install the easydeb image on it | 03:53 |
| jlebar | MohammadAG_, Well...I guess I could read a file from C, if that file contains the current frequency. | 03:53 |
| jlebar | Yeah. | 03:53 |
| jlebar | That's /proc/somethinmg. | 03:53 |
| raster | jlebar: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/... | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | jlebar, sys I think | 03:53 |
| Macer | really.. all i need is the nandroid backup | 03:53 |
| wall[e] | beside vnc | 03:53 |
| ZogG_N900 | cpuinfo | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | that | 03:53 |
| Macer | i can recover to a new sd from that :) | 03:53 |
| raster | open/read/write those files | 03:54 |
| Macer | let's hear it for nandroid! woo! | 03:54 |
| Macer | hah | 03:54 |
| raster | thats how u can control cpu freq | 03:54 |
| Macer | too bad android itself was kind of a let down.. at least to me it was | 03:54 |
| jlebar | It's the bogomips? | 03:54 |
| jlebar | Oh...I see. | 03:54 |
| raster | bogomips? | 03:54 |
| jlebar | nm; my irc client is lagging. Ignore me for a sec. :) | 03:54 |
| ZogG_N900 | it's little creature | 03:54 |
| ZogG_N900 | bogomip | 03:54 |
| * raster eats ZogG_N900's bogomip | 03:55 | |
| ZogG_N900 | it lives inforest | 03:55 |
| Macer | MohammadAG_: i need to repartition it as well ;) | 03:55 |
| raster | not anymore | 03:55 |
| raster | i ate it | 03:55 |
| Macer | is exFAT what ms calls fat32 nowadays? | 03:55 |
| ZogG_N900 | i want to sleeeeeep | 03:55 |
| wall[e] | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/4569580384_98b5ea8980.jpg | 03:55 |
| wall[e] | nudity | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | Macer, that's extended FAT I think | 03:55 |
| ZogG_N900 | bogomips pic? | 03:55 |
| wall[e] | possibly | 03:55 |
| Macer | hm | 03:56 |
| Macer | MohammadAG_: isn't that the same thing? | 03:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | does it support more than rgibs files? | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | wall[e], which Xournal version is that? | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 03:56 |
| wall[e] | :P | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | Macer, nope, think it supports up to 32GB per file or sth | 03:56 |
| raster | MohammadAG_: u could try nilfs2 | 03:56 |
| Macer | yeah | 03:57 |
| Macer | i guess it's different | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | nilfs2? | 03:57 |
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| Macer | larger volumes to it seems | 03:57 |
| raster | logging fs with revisioning intended to work well on things like ssd's | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | Macer, it was added to vista I think | 03:57 |
| Macer | doesn't matter.. everybody knows opensolaris zfs is the best | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | (7 as well) | 03:57 |
| raster | should map nicely to sd cards too | 03:57 |
| Macer | heh | 03:57 |
| ZogG_N900 | why would u need logging? | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | might be on sp3 of xp | 03:57 |
| raster | its relatively new | 03:57 |
| Macer | yeah. i'm just curious if i can partition and format as a fat32 | 03:57 |
| Macer | on my win7 laptop | 03:57 |
| Macer | guess there's only one way to find out :) | 03:58 |
| ZogG_N900 | fail7 | 03:58 |
| Macer | ZogG_N900: fail was vista | 03:58 |
| Macer | win7 isn't that bad | 03:58 |
| ZogG_N900 | still fail | 03:58 |
| Macer | as opposed to what? | 03:58 |
| Macer | i thought osx was a total fail | 03:58 |
| raster | ZogG_N900: because that helps spread the writes as it logs changes//deltas and rebuilds from there. | 03:58 |
| Macer | especially with their hfs+ garbage | 03:58 |
| Macer | :) | 03:58 |
| Macer | and the fact they pull zfs at the final hour | 03:58 |
| Macer | pulled | 03:58 |
| Macer | i actually run ubuntu on my macbook haha. i got it for a deal when it was new at $500 and hated osx so much i just used refit and installed kubuntu | 03:59 |
| Macer | i like kde :) | 03:59 |
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| ZogG_N900 | bored and want to sleeeeeeeeeeep | 04:00 |
| Macer | uhm | 04:00 |
| Macer | then go to sleep | 04:00 |
| ZogG_N900 | kde sucks | 04:00 |
| raster | mac hw is offensive | 04:00 |
| ZogG_N900 | ubuntu on mac is sick | 04:00 |
| Macer | haha | 04:00 |
| Macer | works great for me.. better than osx did | 04:00 |
| raster | 1 mouse button. sorry apple. i'm not so stupid that i cant handle more than 1 mouse button thanks. | 04:00 |
| Macer | with its forking of hfs+ metadata that can't be disabled without a 3rd party app | 04:00 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i had gentoo on laptop and desktop | 04:01 |
| Macer | over network mounts :) | 04:01 |
| ZogG_N900 | now set ubuntu on laptop | 04:01 |
| ZogG_N900 | and hate it so much | 04:01 |
| Macer | gentoo wastes life | 04:01 |
| Macer | :) | 04:01 |
| ZogG_N900 | actually it's so simple | 04:01 |
| raster | gentoo kills the planet | 04:01 |
| raster | :) | 04:01 |
| Macer | i guess you can use bin repos.. but for that why not use debian or something else? | 04:02 |
| Macer | like opensolaris :) | 04:02 |
| Macer | haha | 04:02 |
| Macer | i am actually going to install opensolaris on my mb | 04:02 |
| ZogG_N900 | plan9 | 04:02 |
| raster | your gentoo use is going to destroy low-lying countries! | 04:02 |
| raster | :) | 04:02 |
| ZogG_N900 | or haiku | 04:02 |
| Macer | only thing holding me back is i don't like gnome too much | 04:02 |
| Macer | i hate gtk based stuff altogether tbh. most of it reminds me of win 3.1 | 04:02 |
| ZogG_N900 | raster, it warms me at winter - just recompiling Oo | 04:02 |
| Macer | at least qt has a little more structure to the rules .. like the OK and Cancel dialogs will be in the same place | 04:03 |
| Macer | and the same :) | 04:03 |
| lcuk | Macer, n900 gtk doesnt look much like gtk :) | 04:03 |
| ZogG_N900 | gnome sucks too | 04:03 |
| Macer | lcuk: haha | 04:03 |
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| raster | ZogG_N900: per watt.. i am sure u can find a more efficient way to heat you in winter :) | 04:03 |
| Macer | lcuk: some of it does :) | 04:03 |
| Macer | hey.. but m5 has qt apps in it | 04:03 |
| ZogG_N900 | m5? | 04:03 |
| lcuk | Macer, sure its hard to completely remove it, but when i first saw n900 i was surprised it was essentially gtk | 04:03 |
| Macer | so hopefully this meego stuff will run on the n900 because i want a qt based ui for my n900 | 04:04 |
| lcuk | hey raster \o | 04:04 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah.. you can still tell tho ;) | 04:04 |
| Macer | haha | 04:04 |
| lcuk | ofcourse | 04:04 |
| Macer | the battery graph app is qt | 04:04 |
| * raster doesnt like qt.... but i'm biased | 04:04 | |
| Macer | i installed it just because it was qt based haha | 04:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 04:04 |
| raster | lcuk: oi oi | 04:04 |
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| ZogG_N900 | tweego is qt | 04:04 |
| lcuk | nice fullscreen movement | 04:04 |
| lcuk | ZogG_N900, mmm @ tweego | 04:04 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah :) | 04:05 |
| Macer | i can't wait for a qt based ui for my damn n900 | 04:05 |
| lcuk | yeah | 04:05 |
| Macer | i am going to have a party that day | 04:05 |
| lcuk | have you seen hyperui | 04:05 |
| Macer | no | 04:05 |
| Macer | is it something ican use now? :) | 04:05 |
| Macer | haha | 04:05 |
| lcuk | qt none funcitoning demo | 04:05 |
| Macer | oh | 04:05 |
| Macer | well.. gnome makes me feel sad inside when i have to use it | 04:05 |
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| lcuk | dialer and contacts and dashboard | 04:05 |
| Macer | i feel like i'm running os/2 warp | 04:05 |
| Macer | :) | 04:06 |
| lcuk | yeah but when i dived into the code i was surprised by how similar to liq* stuff it was | 04:06 |
| wall[e] | any plan for enlightenment version for n900? | 04:06 |
| lcuk | small simple classes with few layers | 04:06 |
| lcuk | it flies on 900 | 04:06 |
| wall[e] | @raster :P | 04:06 |
| raster | wall[e]: well it already should work. i've builtefl for it | 04:06 |
| Macer | lcuk: well... hopefully it doesn't die before it is usable :) | 04:06 |
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| raster | tho it'd need a lot of integration to make it replace the existing ui | 04:06 |
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| raster | and i havent bothered with that | 04:06 |
| * Macer is trying to remember the qt based desktop replacement for n810 | 04:07 | |
| lcuk | wall[e], one of the GSOC selected projects is getting ummmm media player thingy running well | 04:07 |
| raster | i have other phones that use e17+efl for their native ui already :) | 04:07 |
| lcuk | Macer, which die? | 04:07 |
| Macer | qdesktop? no. that wasn't the name | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | carsten! | 04:07 |
| wall[e] | sounds neat | 04:07 |
| lcuk | i dont personally like its end look | 04:07 |
| lcuk | but it shows that qt can be light enough to make something workable | 04:07 |
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| Macer | lcuk: well. :) i'll believfe it when i see it | 04:08 |
| raster | wall[e]: the gles libs/drivers for n900 are a little buggy for my tasts | 04:08 |
| raster | and performance is severely hampered | 04:08 |
| lcuk | Macer, ofc | 04:08 |
| Macer | and i would figure that qt would be able to be better made than a gtk app | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | hey lcuk :) | 04:08 |
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| lcuk | just highlighting something that can be seen now without waiting | 04:08 |
| lcuk | hiya moh | 04:08 |
| Macer | but i'm no dev.. i only kjnow what i see | 04:08 |
| lcuk | hows it goin tonight | 04:08 |
| wall[e] | raster, too bad. | 04:08 |
| Macer | damnit lcuk .. talking to you it is taking me like an hour to format this | 04:08 |
| Macer | SD | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, not bad, got the SDK installed brasero isn't getting compiled | 04:08 |
| Macer | i have a 16G SD for my N900 | 04:09 |
| lcuk | lol macer -ill put you on ignore then now | 04:09 |
| Macer | just for easydeb | 04:09 |
| lcuk | raster, i tohught your core didnt require gl | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | (installed the SDK twice tbh lol) | 04:09 |
| raster | wall[e]: right now thouhg focus is on efl itself - so the nuts and bolts and libraries - and then e17 for desktop | 04:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 with the MMC in :) | 04:10 |
| raster | mobile ui stuff is centered in elementary atm and thats orthogonal to e17 right now | 04:10 |
| lcuk | anything decent happening in the unisphere tonight? | 04:10 |
| lcuk | errr internet | 04:10 |
| wall[e] | raster, I see. | 04:10 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i need to repartition it | 04:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | so for developing do i need maemo sdk or nokia qt sdk is enuf | 04:10 |
| Macer | it has 3 partitions on it | 04:10 |
| Macer | :) | 04:10 |
| Macer | is there fdisk onthe n900? | 04:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | try it out i think it is | 04:11 |
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| lcuk | ZogG_N900, depends what you want to build and how well it works | 04:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | lcuk wanna start to play around with qt apps | 04:11 |
| Macer | nope | 04:11 |
| wall[e] | i really wish to see e* on n900 | 04:11 |
| Macer | no fdisk on n900 :) | 04:12 |
| wall[e] | as integrated desktop | 04:12 |
| * Macer reconnects | 04:12 | |
| ZogG_N900 | trying to make helloworld and so on apps | 04:12 |
| wall[e] | this hildon thing is upsetting me | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | -sh: fdisk: not found OMG | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sfdisk | 04:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | wall[e], u always can start the project | 04:12 |
| lcuk | then ZogG_N900 get the latest sdk and readup on how its meant to integrate | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, thanks again | 04:12 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer51: it will take a year to figure out the commands for that | 04:12 |
| Macer | haha | 04:12 |
| wall[e] | ZogG, will start building a de based on gnustep next month :S | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for what? | 04:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | lcuk, which one of them? | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | sfdisk, I was going to compile it | 04:13 |
| wall[e] | ZogG, but probably vaporware | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | vaporware can be condensed :) | 04:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | wall[e], i'm gonna poert explorer to n900 | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | <--- optimistic person | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:14 |
| * raster throws marshmellows at DocScrutinizer51 :) | 04:14 | |
| Macer | ugh | 04:14 |
| ZogG_N900 | port* | 04:14 |
| Macer | ok win7 is stupid when it cmoes to this | 04:14 |
| Macer | you can't unmount the SD | 04:14 |
| Macer | and you can't partition it when it's mounted | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | when the folder is open | 04:14 |
| wall[e] | ZogG, internet explorer? | 04:14 |
| Macer | when you eject the usb drive it takes it offline :) | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], keep dreaming :P | 04:14 |
| Macer | so you can't do this on a wnidows box | 04:14 |
| Macer | bastards | 04:14 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, i made a logo for the project at least! | 04:14 |
| ZogG_N900 | wall[e], nope the windows kinda wm or how does it called | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], it won't happen :) | 04:15 |
| wall[e] | hehe | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | no libraries for ARM | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | and it's closed source | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | so unless MS do it... well you get the point | 04:15 |
| ZogG_N900 | gnight. gonna sleep for a while | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | Night ZogG_N900 | 04:15 |
| Macer | ugh. let me throw this thing on a linux box | 04:15 |
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| wall[e] | i don't know why i'd want ie anyway | 04:16 |
| wall[e] | i want just e | 04:16 |
| wall[e] | was a royal e user til involved seriously with objc | 04:16 |
| wall[e] | loyal | 04:16 |
| lcuk | i was on the playboy site earlier trying to watch some yoga videos and i realised that there were multiple flash animations trying to run at same time and it frustrates me no end | 04:17 |
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| MohammadAG | yoga on pb? | 04:18 |
| wall[e] | i want a way to turn off certain flash, is that possible? | 04:18 |
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| wall[e] | like already running flash, not turning it on | 04:18 |
| lcuk | yeah MohammadAG | 04:18 |
| lcuk | wall[e], in my eyes - flash should not run unless its been clicked on | 04:18 |
| raster | wall[e]: well e is working nicely on my other phone toys... :) just n900 i;'ve only gone as far as testing efl (the libs) and that was mostly jsut to test speed and the n900 opengl-es implementation | 04:19 |
| raster | i dont hink i have time to go integrate it all so it all "works" | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, think there's a plugin for that | 04:19 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah flashblock | 04:19 |
| raster | i'd also need to actually do a nicer mobile ui bit on top of the libs | 04:19 |
| lcuk | but its dont wrong way round | 04:19 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: you made your sd ext3? | 04:19 |
| lcuk | i have to scan the entire dom after its loaded | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, yeah | 04:19 |
| lcuk | to then replace it with a clicker knob | 04:19 |
| wall[e] | raster, would be hard to have no community backing, may be you can add some n900 ads to e17 desktop | 04:19 |
| Macer | blah. why not? :) | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | I have my /var/cache/apt/archives folder on the MMC | 04:19 |
| Macer | haha | 04:20 |
| Macer | ooooh. ok | 04:20 |
| wall[e] | j/k | 04:20 |
| Macer | yeah sounds like an idea | 04:20 |
| Macer | i can just use the internal 32G for like... stuff | 04:20 |
| Macer | you're symlinking everything? | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | /var is on a 256MB NAND | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh?? | 04:21 |
| wall[e] | but i think i have heard something like more devs isn't always better for the project | 04:21 |
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| Macer | does it auto mount the ext3 sd? | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | err, /var is on root (/), / is on the NAND | 04:21 |
| Macer | into media/mmcx ? | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | always been - alwazs brainfuck | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it fails to mount it | 04:21 |
| Termana | good morning | 04:21 |
| wall[e] | if it can scope the work to only the win manager part then it shouldn't be a problem. | 04:21 |
| wall[e] | well. | 04:21 |
| wall[e] | n/m | 04:21 |
| Macer | fails to mount it? | 04:21 |
| Macer | :) | 04:21 |
| lcuk | morning Termana | 04:21 |
| Macer | wtf? | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG | yes, FAILS to mount it :P | 04:21 |
| Macer | so you have to mount it manually all the time? | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, no, just edit rcS-late | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | add /bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /media/mmc1 | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | after /bin/mount /home || echo "Failed to mount /home partition." | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | do it wrong and you'll have to reflash | 04:22 |
| Macer | oh screw that | 04:23 |
| Macer | haha | 04:23 |
| Macer | i'll just make it vfat :) | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, ext3 is better | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | just add one line | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | and indent it | 04:23 |
| Macer | i don't need that much ext3 space ;) | 04:23 |
| lcuk | and when you reflash forget about how to do it! | 04:23 |
| Macer | the easydeb image can stay on the fat32 partition | 04:23 |
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| MohammadAG | tis a shame the N900 doesn't support more than one partition on the MMC | 04:23 |
| raster | wall[e]: would need to make powermnagement integrated, wifi/gsm controls etc. not going to happen in a hrry - i dont intend to spend time on it anyway | 04:23 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, which mmc - the internal one? | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted a 15GB partition as ext3, and a 2MB one from the ext3 driver | 04:24 |
| wall[e] | raster, look forward to another future device :) | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, external SD card | 04:24 |
| lcuk | nod | 04:24 |
| wall[e] | but i'll buy a new phone next 5 years | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | I expected a /dev/mmcblk1p2 | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | or similar | 04:24 |
| wall[e] | was using t68 til n900 | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | but nothign | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | nothing* | 04:24 |
| Macer | ok. rebooting heh | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | ext3 driver for widows | 04:25 |
| Macer | i just made it vfat... i just do not see the need to have that | 04:25 |
| Macer | i have enough space with my 2GB for stuff :) unless there is something spectacular coming out | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, sure, corrupt the MMC everytime you take out the battery cover ;) | 04:25 |
| wall[e] | why most n900 themes are ugly? | 04:25 |
| Macer | but even then i think i would just find away to resize the onboard stuff | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Nseries and the Mer wannable rock | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | as well as digital nature | 04:26 |
| Macer | memory card format unsupported? | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 04:26 |
| Macer | hahaha | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, just format it in file manager | 04:26 |
| Macer | woo! no vfat support? | 04:26 |
| MohammadAG | I wish that were true | 04:26 |
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| Macer | haha | 04:27 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, what does meego do with memory cards | 04:27 |
| lcuk | are they mounted on boot? | 04:27 |
| Macer | that was weird. .i used mkfs.vfat | 04:27 |
| Macer | ah well. whatever. i'm goign to install easydeb :) | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I removed MeeGo | 04:27 |
| MohammadAG | I'll chroot it later :) | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | no point in removing Maemo just to see Bash | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | ~MeeGo | 04:28 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i know you removed it, but next time you do bring it up could you peek please | 04:28 |
| infobot | meego is probably http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices | 04:28 |
| wall[e] | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=51208&l=6e430c85bf&id=100000956174998 | 04:28 |
| wall[e] | if anyone interested in appkit based de for n900, msg me | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, thanks a heap, now I'm looking up how to chroot it | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | ah well, something to do for half an hour | 04:29 |
| * b-man has wasted ~6 hours trying to get ubuntu working on his n900, so far, no where -_- | 04:29 | |
| MohammadAG | before I go to bed :) | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | Sun May 2 04:29:26 IDT 2010 | 04:29 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER | 04:29 |
| b-man | belay? | 04:29 |
| Macer | hm | 04:30 |
| Macer | debian image installer in extras | 04:30 |
| Macer | i'm not seeing it :) | 04:30 |
| * MohammadAG laughs at One issue with a chroot installation is finding space for it. The SD card and Mydocs have plenty of space but they use FAT32 as a file system, so they can't be used directly. A solution is to mount loopback images. The easiest way to get started is to use a prebuilt loopback image. | 04:30 | |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, static, can't hear you :P | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | <b-man> belay? | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | cancel | 04:32 |
| b-man | <lcuk> MohammadAG, BELAY THAT ORDER | 04:32 |
| FauxFaux | BELAY IT | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | or something like that | 04:32 |
| Macer | oh | 04:32 |
| Macer | there it is | 04:32 |
| Macer | heh | 04:32 |
| b-man | lol | 04:32 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, order NOT belayed, do you copy? :P | 04:32 |
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| wall[e] | will this channel eventually transform into meego? | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | #MeeGo | 04:32 |
| Macer | the image is 300MB? :) | 04:33 |
| Macer | neet | 04:33 |
| wall[e] | thanks! | 04:33 |
| Macer | ah well. let me go ahead and install this.. it only uses up sd space anyways | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, what image? | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | yay 10 minute download on a crappy 6MB connection | 04:34 |
| Macer | debian 5/6 with working audio? | 04:34 |
| * MohammadAG needs optical fibers | 04:34 | |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it unpacks to 1.2GBs or so | 04:35 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: don't feel too bad.. mine is like... 16mbit | 04:35 |
| * lcuk shines a torch in MohammadAG's face | 04:35 | |
| * b-man hands MohammadAG optical fibers | 04:35 | |
| lcuk | my broadband is barely 16bit let along mbit | 04:35 |
| Macer | no wait....that's right.. i upgraded a little while ago.. i think it's 24mbit now | 04:35 |
| Macer | lcuk: i had to get the business class line | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol lcuk | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, gee, thanks :P | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 2147483648 Jan 6 21:48 debian-m5-v2.img.ext2 Macer | 04:36 |
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| lcuk | Macer, business class is normally slower than residential | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | max is 5 where I live | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | 8 is israeli areas afaik | 04:36 |
| Macer | lcuk: says you ;) | 04:36 |
| lcuk | but you gain uptime and dedicated line to shout when its not working | 04:36 |
| Macer | my business class kicks ass | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | and what does the UK get, 200MBs :) | 04:36 |
| lcuk | Macer, actually for the longest time it was | 04:36 |
| * MohammadAG hates dd | 04:37 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, 50mb is normal but you can go to 155 i believe | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | it scares me | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, 200 on the virgin beta | 04:37 |
| lcuk | all linux commands have the ability to scare you | 04:37 |
| lcuk | i sometimes tremble before pressing return | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, not as much as dd :) | 04:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I don't need to press return, pasting usually does that on its own! | 04:38 |
| lcuk | roger | 04:38 |
| lcuk | oh that annoys me too! | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes I just need to adjust one thing | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | and I find it already did the cmd | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | SDK installation packages (all of them) copied | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | ~700MBs, not bad | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | I got the SDK installed in 10 minutes :D | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | 2,478 items, totalling 773.1 MB | 04:39 |
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| wall[e] | anyone know modest dev team? | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I hate how dd doesn't have a progress bar | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], file a bug | 04:40 |
| lcuk | wall[e], well all dev teams are modest | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 04:41 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, it doesn't support parsing certain encoding. | 04:41 |
| wall[e] | heh | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], bugs.maemo.org | 04:41 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, I think I can't find a good standard for it. | 04:41 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], file a bug | 04:42 |
| wall[e] | er, like, it didn't have enough information so the client should guess | 04:42 |
| * MohammadAG feels like a bot | 04:42 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:42 |
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| wall[e] | a bug need a standard to fix :P | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], file a bug | 04:42 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 04:42 |
| wall[e] | thanks! :) | 04:42 |
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| wall[e] | well, more like i want to fix this myself | 04:42 |
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| MohammadAG | wall[e], umm, squares with 4 characters in them? | 04:43 |
| wall[e] | look for quick suggestion from the team something like that. | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/meego-image bs=1024 count=2097152 how big is the image that's being made exaclty | 04:43 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, no, just turn the whole line into [?] | 04:43 |
| lcuk | wall[e], better than a bug report would be a patch | 04:43 |
| MohammadAG | oh, no idea then | 04:43 |
| lcuk | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ http://gitorious.com/modest/ | 04:43 |
| wall[e] | more like iconv doesn't work or something | 04:43 |
| wall[e] | thanks, was thinking of help before diving in | 04:44 |
| MohammadAG | I should've dd'd the image on my i5 and copied it over | 04:44 |
| wall[e] | thanks lcuk | 04:44 |
| lcuk | wall[e], sure have a read and see | 04:44 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, nokiamessaging is closed though right? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | pass MohammadAG | 04:44 |
| lcuk | not looked so cant answer | 04:44 |
| MohammadAG | oh ok | 04:45 |
| * lcuk is not the font of all knowledge | 04:45 | |
| lcuk | tho it seems it at times :P | 04:45 |
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| * MohammadAG sees a Wiki in lcuk | 04:45 | |
| lcuk | hand written wiki :) | 04:45 |
| wall[e] | [[lcuk]] | 04:45 |
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| wall[e] | no, should be lc[[]]uk | 04:45 |
| lcuk | page not defined, click [[here]] to create it now | 04:45 |
| lcuk | i like wikis | 04:46 |
| * MohammadAG buys lcuk wikipedia | 04:46 | |
| lcuk | i keep thinking how a code editor ontop would be cool | 04:46 |
| wall[e] | any attempt for mediawiki on n900? | 04:46 |
| wall[e] | or that need apache? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | someone has entire LAMP stack just yesterday afaik | 04:47 |
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| MohammadAG | media wiki? | 04:47 |
| wall[e] | ah oh | 04:47 |
| wall[e] | cool | 04:47 |
| lcuk | was running their blog from it | 04:47 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, a version of wiki | 04:47 |
| wall[e] | the one on wikimedia is mediawiki | 04:47 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (<MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, thanks again) for what? | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | fdisk | 04:48 |
| lcuk | just for your pure awesomeness i think | 04:48 |
| wall[e] | MohammadAG, may be a wikiphone is nice | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 04:48 |
| wall[e] | like mediawiki interface to phone | 04:48 |
| wall[e] | [[dial]] | 04:48 |
| MohammadAG | dial not defined | 04:48 |
| wall[e] | [[add contact]] | 04:48 |
| wall[e] | and directly dial from a dial template | 04:49 |
| lcuk | <a href='dialer.html'>Dialer App</a> | 04:49 |
| * MohammadAG hates html | 04:49 | |
| lcuk | it hates you too | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | I know, it keeps throwing Xs at me | 04:49 |
| lcuk | everyone making web pages has to confirm that | 04:49 |
| lcuk | if you ever view source you get | 04:49 |
| MohammadAG | it's still better than PHP I guess :P | 04:50 |
| lcuk | <html><head><declaration> MohammadAG is a git</declaration></head> | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | (in terms of easiness) | 04:50 |
| lcuk | php is nice | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I always think you're a quite sarcastic character | 04:50 |
| wall[e] | usually you mix php with html... | 04:50 |
| lcuk | its got an easy syntax that reminds me of c | 04:50 |
| MohammadAG | echo "not it isn't" | 04:50 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, depends on mood | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:50 |
| lcuk | i spent too long on slashdot i think | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 04:50 |
| * wall[e] does webapp in objc :P | 04:51 | |
| lcuk | having to be snarky to get first post was a decent little game | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | Warning: iPhone dev^ | 04:51 |
| * lcuk was always trying for +5 troll | 04:51 | |
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| * wall[e] is an apple hater. | 04:51 | |
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| lcuk | prefer oranges? | 04:51 |
| * wall[e] never wants iphone | 04:52 | |
| wall[e] | prefer gnustep :P | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | no, he likes o2 more :P | 04:52 |
| wall[e] | ah | 04:52 |
| wall[e] | ha | 04:52 |
| lcuk | i do once we get a really stable linux on it | 04:52 |
| lcuk | the hardware itself is sweet - maemo || meego will be nice on it | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the iPhone? | 04:52 |
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| lcuk | sure, why not | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG | it would have no dashboard button | 04:52 |
| wall[e] | but stylus wont work with its touch screen? | 04:53 |
| lcuk | there isnt one now | 04:53 |
| lcuk | wall[e] i never said it was perfect :p | 04:53 |
| wall[e] | ok :P | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | wall[e], solder finger to the tip | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | + your * | 04:53 |
| wall[e] | :S :D | 04:53 |
| b-man|n900 | rofl | 04:53 |
| * lcuk has a finger tip lying around somewhere | 04:53 | |
| * MohammadAG shrugs | 04:54 | |
| * lcuk bites his nails | 04:54 | |
| lcuk | with hands behind back | 04:54 |
| wall[e] | does nail work with multi touchscreen? | 04:54 |
| lcuk | no | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG | capacitive? no | 04:54 |
| b-man|n900 | no | 04:54 |
| wall[e] | cool | 04:54 |
| lcuk | it works with the backlit tracing type | 04:55 |
| lcuk | and should work with statum(sp?) | 04:55 |
| wall[e] | scortum? | 04:56 |
| wall[e] | what's statum? | 04:56 |
| lcuk | Stantum - resistive multitouch | 04:56 |
| wall[e] | pardon my postmodernity i usually get too late to revoke typed word. | 04:56 |
| wall[e] | thanks. | 04:57 |
| wall[e] | company name ? | 04:57 |
| MohammadAG | <wall[e]> scortum? lol | 04:57 |
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| lcuk | yes wall[e] | 04:57 |
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| wall[e] | this week i'll make my first nice theme | 04:58 |
| wall[e] | should I? like is hildon is going to end soon for meego? | 04:58 |
| wall[e] | if | 04:59 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47274 | 04:59 |
| lcuk | is one of the most novel themes ive seen | 04:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh for ****'s sake | 04:59 |
| lcuk | wall[e], people still use windows 3.1 | 05:00 |
| lcuk | and even earlier | 05:00 |
| wall[e] | neat. | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | dockane, mind kicking the other me? testing this gtk crash | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | xchat crashed ubuntu | 05:00 |
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| wall[e] | i'm thinking of velvet texture | 05:00 |
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| wall[e] | like buttons looks like soft cloth | 05:00 |
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| wall[e] | plan to use blender particle to produce effect.. | 05:01 |
| lcuk | cool beans | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | guess not | 05:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, does that dd command ever finish? | 05:02 |
| wall[e] | better do it than speaking. | 05:02 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG_, how large were you making file? | 05:02 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, no idea | 05:03 |
| lcuk | wlel what were you dding | 05:03 |
| lcuk | i only used it to make big files | 05:03 |
| lcuk | times square has been closed | 05:03 |
| lcuk | they are sending bomb robot in o_O | 05:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's at 694654976, isn't this 6GBs | 05:03 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, dding the meego image | 05:05 |
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| GAN900 | Love it when deleting in a field sends you back a page | 05:09 |
| GAN900 | Fucking awesome. | 05:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, quick question, what's "better" than kill -9 | 05:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | cause dd isn't stopping | 05:11 |
| lcuk | tactical nuclear strike from orbit | 05:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | actually i think it stopped | 05:12 |
| lcuk | see, scared at the thought | 05:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | 05:11:41 up 2:02, load average: 10.76, 11.43, 9.91 | 05:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | epic load | 05:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | xD | 05:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | ubuntu 10.04, good bye :) | 05:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | debian should be up on my pc tomorrow | 05:13 |
| wall[e] | it's defunct | 05:13 |
| wall[e] | wait til kernel clean resource | 05:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | tbh ubuntu has been going downhill | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's turning into windows | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, turns out I counted an extra number, it's 800MBs not 8000 :/ | 05:15 |
| wall[e] | how can I have all n900 users write for a port of social city | 05:15 |
| wall[e] | or may be flash 10 would do it | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | pay them | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 05:16 |
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| wall[e] | 1 cent may be | 05:16 |
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| wall[e] | i wish i can sell theme on ovi | 05:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | u can, but some smartass (points at self) might downgrade apt | 05:17 |
| wall[e] | anyone has experience? | 05:17 |
| wall[e] | for debian? | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | not me | 05:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | anyways i'm off | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | good ngiht! | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | will install meego tomorrow | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | Sun May 2 05:19:16 IDT 2010 | 05:19 |
| wall[e] | ^t | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | a personal record | 05:19 |
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| wall[e] | good lcuk! | 05:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh wait, i've stayed up till 6 | 05:19 |
| * MohammadAG_ sees what you did there | 05:19 | |
| MohammadAG_ | Night o/ | 05:20 |
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| wall[e] | get back to my job! | 05:21 |
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| Macer | final fantasy advent children is great | 05:24 |
| Macer | i haven't seen it in a while.. i never really got into that game too much | 05:25 |
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| Proteous | had some nice fight scenes | 05:28 |
| Proteous | well, it was all fight scenes | 05:28 |
| Macer | haha | 05:30 |
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| Macer | they threw a little plot in there here and there | 05:30 |
| Macer | i just love these retarded oversized swords he uses | 05:31 |
| Macer | plus tifa is a hottie | 05:32 |
| Proteous | heh | 05:33 |
| Proteous | all 6million pixels of her | 05:33 |
| Macer | oh yeah | 05:33 |
| GAN900 | Why do people complain about the N900s thickness compared to the iPhone when they put cases on them to make them nearly as thick. . . . | 05:33 |
| Proteous | or would that be polygons | 05:33 |
| Macer | haha | 05:33 |
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| Proteous | GAN900: thats the reason that people buy the iphone. its thin enough that you can put a super fugly case on it and have a normal thickness phone | 05:35 |
| Proteous | also don't get me started on phone cases... | 05:35 |
| th3_4zarado | Lucretia lucretia ti amo | 05:35 |
| th3_4zarado | mamma mia | 05:35 |
| Macer | does the n900 even have any good cases? | 05:36 |
| Macer | i could care less if it's thick .. i'd rather it be protected | 05:36 |
| Macer | i was able to find an awesome case for my g1.. it saved it from a few dives :) | 05:36 |
| Macer | this damn movie cracks me up the way 2 people are just totally destroying an entire city like a bad godzilla movie | 05:38 |
| Macer | and people are just acting like it's normal :) | 05:38 |
| Macer | ah the far distant future with alien dna merged into cooperate super powers. | 05:38 |
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| Macer | easydeb is a good start but the ui totally sucks :) | 06:11 |
| Macer | heh. you can tell they tried to give it more of a mobile look to it but it doesn't work that well. | 06:11 |
| Macer | but having openoffice on the n900 is awesome | 06:11 |
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| njsf_ | re | 06:34 |
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| * GAN900 laughs maniacally. | 07:11 | |
| GAN900 | "MeeGo Devics and MeeGo operations" | 07:11 |
| GAN900 | Love it. | 07:11 |
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| njsf_ | GAN900: What are you talking about? | 07:18 |
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| opdf2 | is there a more thorough check of eMMC than fsck? | 07:34 |
| opdf2 | or is it all good if it doesnt say anything about errors | 07:35 |
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| GAN900 | njsf_, Ari's current position(s) | 07:43 |
| GAN900 | Maemo Devices is MeeGo Devices now | 07:43 |
| GAN900 | but MeeGo operations is a separate thing. | 07:43 |
| njsf_ | Ari care to show a link ? I must admit I do not watch Ari | 07:43 |
| GAN900 | Ari Jaaksi. . . . | 07:44 |
| GAN900 | jaaksi.blogspot.com | 07:44 |
| njsf_ | tnx | 07:45 |
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| njsf_ | GAN900: you were talking about his roles I assume | 07:50 |
| njsf_ | I don't even understand what MeeGo operations would be.... Maybe that means he is the one to blame if their hosting goes down :D | 07:51 |
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| opdf2 | what is the reason why bridge_work-que is making my cpu go crazy? | 07:52 |
| opdf2 | nm i guess it will be fixed in 1.2 | 07:53 |
| njsf_ | opdf2: I am sick of waiting for 1.2 | 07:53 |
| opdf2 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9084 | 07:53 |
| povbot | Bug 9084: Media Player [bridge_work-que] battery drain | 07:53 |
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| GAN900 | njsf_, the funny part is that MeeGo-proper and MeeGo-Harmattan are two completely different things, but both called MeeGo | 07:57 |
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| GAN900 | Thus the two different divisions | 07:57 |
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| GAN900 | and the hilarity. | 07:58 |
| Mace_N900 | hello | 07:58 |
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| Macer | njsf_: haha | 07:59 |
| njsf_ | GAN900: to be honest I think I don't think I have much more patience for this Nokia stewardship, and no reason to believe Intel+Nokia will be any better | 07:59 |
| Macer | where is the changelog to 1.2? | 07:59 |
| Macer | i'd love to see what it adds | 07:59 |
| Macer | at the very least i hope it adds bt keyboard support :) | 08:00 |
| GAN900 | njsf_, well, the fact that Intel and Nokia have to work together gives us a better base. | 08:00 |
| Macer | i think intel is only lending its name just so nokia can sell more intel based netbooks | 08:00 |
| njsf_ | The platform is more open than the iPhone or Android, but not open enough to justify my putting up with the shortcomings. Specially when core parts of it are not open source, or replaceable | 08:00 |
| Macer | but that's just me :) | 08:00 |
| Macer | i was pretty amped up when nokia was going to release a netbook then found out it is just the same old type of intel based netbook with the nokia name and was like big deal | 08:01 |
| njsf_ | Macer: the Nokia netbook is ok for specs/battery life but not earth shattering no | 08:02 |
| Macer | they probably apppleized it too where it is just the same old x86 hardware with a name so that justifies a +$200 than anything else price tag | 08:02 |
| Macer | njsf_: it's just a netbook :) an aspire1 would make a better choice | 08:02 |
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| njsf_ | well it does have 3G modem built in | 08:03 |
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| Macer | and you can get that from your provider for free if you get a 3G plan ;) | 08:03 |
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| Macer | a 3G modem doesn't justify a $600 price tag on the same old stuff | 08:04 |
| Macer | now if it were an arm based netbook that lasted 48 hours then it would be worth it | 08:04 |
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| Macer | which is kind of what i was expecting | 08:04 |
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| Macer | and now they "teamed up with intel" to create another linux distro? :) cmon | 08:04 |
| Macer | it's marketing | 08:04 |
| njsf_ | Macer: but then they could not ship Win7 on it ;) | 08:04 |
| Macer | nothing more.. i bet they have spent more money coming up with the name meego ;) | 08:05 |
| njsf_ | I really don't care about netbooks | 08:05 |
| Macer | they'll toss out a kernel and maybe a few drivers and allow the opensource minions to produce something worthwhile | 08:05 |
| njsf_ | If I want a keyboard, I'll take a laptop | 08:05 |
| Macer | naw. i like my aspire1 | 08:05 |
| njsf_ | what I want is a capable internet capable phone at all times | 08:05 |
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| Macer | it isn't that bad at all for what it is.. but it costs $250.. a nokia netbook is $600 | 08:06 |
| Macer | for a 3G modem? :) | 08:06 |
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| njsf_ | the N900 is not fulfilling that and I do not see it do it anytime soon | 08:06 |
| Macer | oh i love the n900 :) | 08:06 |
| njsf_ | I am sick of the UI delays | 08:06 |
| Macer | i hate the fact they decided that "it's not really a phone" type of thing was the best route | 08:06 |
| njsf_ | and audio stuttering | 08:06 |
| Macer | where decisions like a non-portrait desktop came into effect | 08:07 |
| Macer | so it will stay niche :) | 08:07 |
| njsf_ | it stutters when just dimming the screen... that is ridiculous | 08:07 |
| Macer | just like n8x0s were | 08:07 |
| Macer | hm. i honestly haven't had any stuttering problems | 08:07 |
| Macer | and i've played quite a bit of audio on it | 08:07 |
| njsf_ | well the N8x0 were not 500 bucks | 08:08 |
| njsf_ | I have plenty of audio issues | 08:08 |
| njsf_ | stuttering when dimming | 08:08 |
| Macer | hm | 08:08 |
| Macer | how much were n810s when they first came out? | 08:08 |
| Macer | i'm pretty sure they were around 350-400 | 08:08 |
| njsf_ | stuttering for the 1st min of playing an mp3 | 08:08 |
| Macer | it must be those premium 3G modems they use | 08:08 |
| Macer | haha | 08:08 |
| njsf_ | all the losing of preferences on the telepathy plugins | 08:09 |
| Macer | they must be smelted with japenese samurai copper and hand made for ultimate reception :) | 08:09 |
| njsf_ | haphazardly which means that you never know when it will actually connect or not to IM | 08:09 |
| Macer | losing preferences on the telepathy plugins? | 08:09 |
| Macer | compared to the android IM stuff.. telepathy is great | 08:10 |
| Macer | i couldn't find a single good android jabber client for my zimbra server | 08:10 |
| njsf_ | the ridiculous 60-120s delay to open a conversations window when you have had more than one conversation with the other person | 08:10 |
| Macer | dude | 08:10 |
| Macer | i think you have a lemon | 08:10 |
| Macer | haha | 08:10 |
| Macer | did you buy it from tigerdirect? :) | 08:10 |
| njsf_ | F. U dude. I am talking serious here | 08:11 |
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| mbuf | from where can I get scratchbox2 sources? | 08:15 |
| njsf | I think the channel topic is very "open minded" :P "NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked" ???!!!! | 08:16 |
| njsf | I think my N900 will find its place on ebay. I am done | 08:16 |
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| auenf | err, sell your device cause a software update hasnt arrived? (it isnt even 'late' either) | 08:17 |
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| auenf | maybe i'll trade my 5110 for their n900 | 08:20 |
| auenf | then they can complain about software updates that are only available by visiting the nokia repair centre | 08:21 |
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| Surfa | :D | 08:24 |
| Surfa | ebay.. how sad is that | 08:24 |
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| RST38h | AT&T Begs For Extrajudicial Copyright Police | 09:03 |
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| trumee | tmo has gone crazy with the unofficial pr1.2 | 10:20 |
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| mirsal | hey :) | 10:28 |
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| RST38h | No wonder | 10:31 |
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| Termana | tmo was crazy PRIOR to that thread. :P | 10:33 |
| Chiku | trumee, unofficial ? | 10:34 |
| RST38h | wazd moo | 10:34 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 10:35 |
| wazd | RST38h: PR 1.2 is out? what should I press? :) | 10:36 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Looks like someone has leaked the chinese rom | 10:37 |
| Termana | wazd, the only screenshots that were provided didn't even show the About phone screen | 10:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: with expectable drama ensuing | 10:37 |
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| wazd | RST38h: yeah, cause I was seriously told that PR 1.2 is not finished yet and they've decided to tweak it for 2 more weeks or so | 10:37 |
| Termana | No one "trusted" has tested it. I'd be weary and even when someone trusted tests it - I'd still be weary | 10:37 |
| * RST38h sadly notes that NOTHING like that would even take place if Maemo Devices had proper, modern update policies | 10:38 | |
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| RST38h | With system packages betas going into -devel for interested people to try | 10:38 |
| Chiku | if they want better beta stage, just released beta version for community | 10:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, should ovi suite be copatible with n900? cause mine isn't | 10:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well there are different internal versions of this :) | 10:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: they alll suck :) | 10:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: I am not touch Ovi Suite with any of my appendages | 10:39 |
| RST38h | touching | 10:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: suck battery :) | 10:39 |
| RST38h | "Angels we have heeeard on high ... Tell us GO OUT AND BUY!" | 10:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: btw, are there any legal problems to not include Ti roms within Ati85? :) | 10:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: to include or NOT to include? | 10:43 |
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| microlith | We'll all go together when we go~ | 10:46 |
| RST38h | microlith: Nah, the quote of the day is "But they still go for peanuts when coated with cyanide" | 10:47 |
| microlith | ooh, killing pigeons | 10:47 |
| RST38h | ...and it's spring on tmo, indeed | 10:48 |
| microlith | 'tis | 10:48 |
| * microlith watches more people install an RC on their devices | 10:49 | |
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| wazd | RST38h: meh, to include ofcourse, sorry :) | 10:52 |
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| mbuf | at http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 it says scratchbox2 is available in gitorious, but, there are only debian/ patches and not sources at http://gitorious.org/mer/scratchbox-fake; where can I find scratchbox2 sources? | 10:55 |
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| arachnist | mbuf: in /dev/urandom. stream data from /dev/urandom for a long enough time and you're sure to find it! ;) | 11:01 |
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| mbuf | arachnist: how long is long? :) | 11:03 |
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| * Jaffa awakes to find torrents and pandimonium on tmo | 11:08 | |
| microlith | The lemmings are afoot | 11:08 |
| arachnist | http://www.pokeruniversity.org/images/lemmings1.jpg | 11:09 |
| trumee | this might spur nokia to release the official version :) | 11:11 |
| dottedmag | trumee: why? This leak is nice beta testing in field and no legal problems with bricked devices :) | 11:13 |
| * dottedmag </cynicism> | 11:14 | |
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| Jaffa | dottedmag: Except if it is an RC there could be a good reason why _this build_ hasn't been released. | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | dottedmag: There might not be a good (technical) reason, tho' | 11:18 |
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| trumee | Jaffa: so does HK version use RC as well? | 11:22 |
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| wazd | I wonder why people need to overclock n900 | 11:23 |
| Jaffa | trumee: Presumably not. Was just about to see if the version numbers matched | 11:23 |
| wazd | it's really fast almost everywhere I go | 11:23 |
| wazd | RST38h: I checked out iPhone theme btw, it sucks :) | 11:23 |
| Chiku | did you try fennec ? fast enough? | 11:24 |
| Chiku | what about falsh | 11:24 |
| Chiku | falsh | 11:24 |
| Chiku | flash | 11:24 |
| trumee | so it is possible that there are RCs closer to final build than this one? | 11:24 |
| wazd | Chiku: why the hell would you need fenenc, when you have such an awesome built-in browser? | 11:25 |
| wazd | Chiku: it's the best mobile browser hands down | 11:25 |
| trumee | wazd: are desktop firefox plugins supported by microB or do they need porting? | 11:26 |
| Chiku | borwser right now is worse with previous page goes though historic | 11:26 |
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| wazd | trumee: well, I haven't checked that deep, but it definitely supports greasemonkey :) | 11:26 |
| Chiku | does weave works on microB, fennec ? | 11:28 |
| Chiku | zimbra is soi slow | 11:29 |
| Chiku | if overclock could do browser decent speed it would be good | 11:29 |
| Jaffa | trumee: Theoretically, although the versions seems to match. Although I don't get how the version can be fixed for things like bugzilla but then the firmware still being tested & tweaked. | 11:30 |
| Jaffa | Version number policies are a hard problem, IME, though | 11:30 |
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| wazd | seriously, can anybody tell me if I am the only one with Ovi store login shut down? | 11:40 |
| wazd | n900 ovi | 11:41 |
| Chiku | trumee, unofficial ? <-- do you mean about the the chineses PR1.2 posted on talk.maemo.org ? | 11:44 |
| Chiku | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=637190 | 11:44 |
| trumee | Chiku: yes | 11:44 |
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| lardman|home | hmm, 522 people looking at a single TMO thread | 11:48 |
| lardman|home | interesting | 11:48 |
| * timoph sees people going nuts about month old unstable internal release | 11:49 | |
| lardman|home | well, still newer than what we have | 11:49 |
| TomaszD | people are claiming video calls works for skype which I find very, very unlikely | 11:50 |
| TomaszD | for once I wish I was wrong | 11:50 |
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| lardman|home | I heard rumours that video calling would be supported eventually | 11:51 |
| trumee | TomaszD: i thought the claim was it does Not work for skype but only gtalk in that thread | 11:51 |
| TomaszD | it works for google talk | 11:51 |
| lardman|home | ah that was probably it | 11:51 |
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| trumee | i would like skype video since fring supports that | 11:51 |
| trumee | also, i tried a gtalk voice call to fring E71 and it did not work | 11:52 |
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| trumee | but nokia devs dont have skype code i guess | 11:53 |
| trumee | skype themselves need to enable video support | 11:54 |
| trumee | wonder how fring does it. | 11:54 |
| TomaszD | skype is implemented by way of a closed-source telepathy plugin | 11:54 |
| TomaszD | and I guess you're right | 11:54 |
| lardman|home | hmm, well I hope we actually get a release at some point soon then | 11:55 |
| trumee | lardman: i am hoping for tuesday :) | 11:55 |
| trumee | once nokia sees this wild build. | 11:55 |
| lardman|home | and I see the MeeGo conf is set for Dublin | 11:55 |
| lardman|home | to go slightly ot | 11:56 |
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| timoph | Dublin sounds like a good place for it | 11:56 |
| trumee | wasnt meego to be released on may 1 | 11:56 |
| trumee | the gui component | 11:56 |
| lardman|home | timoph: still in the Euro-zone, but with the way Greece is going that might make is quite cheap ;) | 11:57 |
| timoph | trumee: doesn't sound likely that they would release something on Saturday | 11:57 |
| timoph | :) | 11:57 |
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| lardman|home | bbl | 12:00 |
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| Chiku | so now that unoffical PR1.2 works maybe nokia will released it faster? but noakia didn't release PR1.2 ? | 12:03 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, what API do i have to use to control the LEDs (on the back side)? | 12:04 |
| Chiku | it doe'sn't look like not technical delay | 12:04 |
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| noobmonk3y | back side?! LuciusMare ? | 12:05 |
| noobmonk3y | oh you mean camera led's? | 12:05 |
| LuciusMare | oyes | 12:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | LuciusMare, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch | 12:06 |
| noobmonk3y | A dual LED ADP 1653 flash controller from Analog Devices. The associated kernel module is adp1653 (drivers/media/video/adp1653.c). | 12:07 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 12:07 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks at the 1.2 thread - wow that downloaded fast | 12:07 | |
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| LuciusMare | downloaded? | 12:08 |
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| LuciusMare | 1.2 is out? | 12:08 |
| Chiku | no | 12:09 |
| timoph | no | 12:09 |
| trumee | lol | 12:09 |
| Treibholz | but Overclocking to 5Ghz is safe now! | 12:09 |
| Chiku | it's a leack one form chinese PR | 12:09 |
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| arachnist | does it have the english language option? | 12:10 |
| Chiku | form people who flashed it, yes | 12:11 |
| Chiku | english | 12:11 |
| Chiku | but what about chinese | 12:11 |
| Chiku | noone try to get chinese ? :) | 12:11 |
| arachnist | i guess not too many people understand <whichever of the chinese dialects are available> | 12:13 |
| LuciusMare | I am sure they do, for example, chinese people | 12:13 |
| trumee | skype video works ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51615&page=40 | 12:13 |
| Chiku | read page 30 | 12:13 |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 12:14 | |
| noobmonk3y | to flash or not to flash! | 12:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | LuciusMare, there is a leaked 1.2 | 12:14 |
| LuciusMare | o | 12:15 |
| Chiku | are you a tester? | 12:15 |
| Chiku | if not just wait :) | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol chiku, considering it | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | just reading that whole link | 12:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | what's the worst that can happen, i reflash lol | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, flashed yours yet hehe | 12:16 |
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| Jaffa | Chiku: How do you know it's not a technical delay? | 12:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | Jaffa, :D | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | Chiku: For example, perhaps the HK N900 is a new hardware variant and the delay is because PR1.2 has some regressions on older h/w | 12:18 |
| Chiku | chinese fw works for other n900 | 12:18 |
| Jaffa | Chiku: Ah, in the last 24 hours you've done extensive QA? ;-p | 12:19 |
| noobmonk3y | well - i tjhink i'm gonna go test :P | 12:20 |
| noobmonk3y | tjhink* | 12:20 |
| noobmonk3y | think | 12:20 |
| noobmonk3y | wtf | 12:20 |
| noobmonk3y | my keyboard is buggered | 12:20 |
| * noobmonk3y blames 1.2 | 12:20 | |
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| Chiku | At bootup it chose Finnish as a language for me. So most probably Italian should be there too! <-- hum hum | 12:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:23 |
| noobmonk3y | lets hope you speak finish ;) | 12:24 |
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| Chiku | No Chinese language support apparently.... <-- lol so it seems no chinese PR | 12:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | does someone know why nokia doesn't do "public beta" testing? It's a concept that would work quite well with the public bug tracker and an active community. | 12:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | I mean, with the reason for the pending release being "testing". It is always true that the more people are using some software, the higher the probability that a bug is encountered. | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: Because every single tmo noob would install it; not report bugs and just whine. | 12:26 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: Although for PR1.1, Nokia did do a limited public beta test | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: I dunno why they've not done that. | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | s/public/non-Nokia private/ | 12:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Jaffa: well they're whining already, public beta or not ;) | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: True - but I can ignore them now ;-) | 12:27 |
| Chiku | jaffa are talking about all open source community which released beta versions ? | 12:28 |
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| Jaffa | Chiku: No, I'm talking about the kind of person who sees a thread like "overclock your N900" and thinks "goody!", but then needs hand-holding; doesn't understand the risks and blames Nokia/Maemo/everyone else when things go wrong | 12:28 |
| Shapeshifter | I was thinking more of what microsoft did with win7 and so on. though with the karma system, it would be easy to just give a beta to everyone with more then 500 thanks or so | 12:29 |
| noobmonk3y | not a bad idea | 12:30 |
| Shapeshifter | Jaffa: yeah but legally they can't blame any of them, and I doubt the image of nokia would suffer if some idiot fries his device. | 12:30 |
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| Shapeshifter | and it's almost impossible to irreversably brick it (except maybe by frying it). | 12:30 |
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| Chiku | hum people reported skype video call works | 12:31 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: I like the karma idea | 12:31 |
| Shapeshifter | in any case, the number of available testers would drastically increase. I always see software makers test their software for months and then release it just to see the 10000% increase in userbase reveal countless bugs | 12:32 |
| trumee | Chiku: i dont use skype, mostly sip. But if skype video workes, i will enable it on my phone | 12:34 |
| trumee | does skype make your phone a supernode as well like the desktop client | 12:34 |
| Chiku | sip supports video? | 12:34 |
| * noobmonk3y is flashing ;) - why not ;) | 12:35 | |
| trumee | Chiku: unfortunately not | 12:35 |
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| trumee | Chiku: the N900 sip client doesn't. although sip protocol itself does | 12:35 |
| noobmonk3y | well that was quick and painless | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | Chiku: xmpp does though. It already does in the current version if you get called but it's pretty broken. I think nokia forgot to remove the video support. | 12:36 |
| Chiku | sip uses xmpp protocal? | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | no | 12:36 |
| trumee | noobmonk3y: now, you can tell us about it here :) | 12:36 |
| Shapeshifter | they're unrelated. But xmpp is a good alternative to skype these days | 12:37 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:37 |
| noobmonk3y | just setting it up | 12:37 |
| Chiku | does pidgin supports video? | 12:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Chiku: yes | 12:37 |
| Chiku | pidgin on n900 ? | 12:37 |
| Shapeshifter | don't know | 12:37 |
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| trumee | does pidgin support video on desktop? kopete doesn't i think | 12:38 |
| noobmonk3y | freaky deaky! | 12:39 |
| noobmonk3y | get a text from nokia after flashing! | 12:39 |
| zash | trumee: it does with xmpp | 12:39 |
| Shapeshifter | trumee: indeed it does | 12:39 |
| noobmonk3y | 105mb free in rootfs lol!!! | 12:39 |
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| trumee | zash, Shapeshifter you mean pidgin not kopete? | 12:39 |
| Shapeshifter | trumee: yes | 12:39 |
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| delor | is it possible to get qt4.6 on n900? | 12:42 |
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| Chiku | noobmonk3y, so is it a RC one? | 12:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | doesnt say that anywhere | 12:46 |
| noobmonk3y | just reinstalling backup | 12:46 |
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| Chiku | let's see now whan the official one will be released since the unofficial is out and works | 12:52 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | takes ages to restore everything! | 12:52 |
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| Chiku | what about extra devel repos? | 12:52 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo fcucksocks, forgot to save the debs for joiku and prismic | 12:52 |
| noobmonk3y | dunno at the mo - it's restoring still | 12:53 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders asking what unofficial one Chiku meant, then notes the topic. | 12:53 | |
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| frals | hmm, is it even legal to mirror the firmware | 12:55 |
| frals | like someone has done with the hk one? | 12:55 |
| ShadowJK | probably not? :) | 12:56 |
| Chiku | it doesn't seem the hk one since there no chinese language | 12:56 |
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| wazd | wtf is wrong with ovi | 12:57 |
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| ShadowJK | But you know, regardless if you're a movie company, tv company or software company, your stuff is twice as likely to get copied if you restrict availability :) | 12:57 |
| Chiku | what are you doing wityh ovi ? there are nothing for n900 on ovi :p | 12:57 |
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| * noobmonk3y grins | 12:58 | |
| wazd | Chiku: well, angrybirds and stuff :) | 12:58 |
| * noobmonk3y prods frals | 12:58 | |
| frals | be nice if that "unofficial" image nukes nolo on reboot | 12:58 |
| noobmonk3y | nolo? | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I played out the additional level pack that I accidentally downloaded. I'd _love_ to pay for it | 12:58 |
| Chiku | what frals means ? | 12:58 |
| SpeedEvil | nokia bootloader | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh | 12:59 |
| trumee | noobmonk3y: what is prismic! | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | would rather it didn't | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | wallpaper manager trumee | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ~prismic | 12:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I got to the point I was going for 'four star' ways to beat the levels | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | meh infobot is on holiday | 12:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Prismic is the shape of a prism innit. | 12:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | oooo | 13:01 |
| noobmonk3y | ovi maps 3 installed | 13:01 |
| Chiku | with voice one? | 13:01 |
| noobmonk3y | voice one? | 13:02 |
| Chiku | the one for symbian | 13:02 |
| * noobmonk3y is confuzzled | 13:02 | |
| trumee | playing mp3 takes lot of cpu, hate it | 13:02 |
| trumee | pulseaudio takes 25 percent when playing mp3 | 13:03 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm maybe it's just new maps | 13:03 |
| noobmonk3y | will check it in a sec | 13:03 |
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| trumee | stuttering happens when microb needs resoirces | 13:03 |
| * noobmonk3y winders why frals is so quiet this morning | 13:04 | |
| * noobmonk3y wonders too | 13:04 | |
| trumee | is that the processor so weak that mp3 cause it to stutter | 13:04 |
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| trumee | or do i need to reduce the bitrate of mp3s | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: 25% of 250MHz - have you got 125MHz enabled? | 13:04 |
| ShadowJK | No it's usually IO that blocks it, not CPU | 13:04 |
| SpeedEvil | And I've never seen teh stock mp3 thingy skip with load | 13:05 |
| SpeedEvil | other than IO | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly streaming mp3 over http/shoutcast stutters less | 13:05 |
| Chiku | noobmonk3y, Voice navigation? | 13:05 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i didnt not enable anything, stock kernel/firmware | 13:06 |
| * noobmonk3y doesnt have a clue - restore still going lol | 13:06 | |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: maybe i should stream rather than play from disk | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: were you doing anything else other than microb? | 13:06 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: xchat | 13:07 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: or had you been running microb for a long time, or with heavy pages so it might have gone into swap? | 13:07 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: also, was opening an email | 13:07 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: trying to load images in an email | 13:08 |
| ShadowJK | the whole mafw/media player and pulseaudio setup is a bit misdesigned if there aren't sufficient bffering in it :/ | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: that could be quite heavy on IO - I guess that does it | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - it really needs a couple of buffering settings. | 13:08 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ~1.5s for most streaming stuff, and ~.1s for games | 13:08 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: why do we need pulseaudio, why cant we use alsa alone | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not particulary keen on the idea of having settings, it should Just Work(TM) | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | alsa alone won't mix stuff smoothly | 13:09 |
| ShadowJK | trumee: dmix is broken, and volume per app doesn't work | 13:09 |
| delor | is qt4.6.2 usable only in SDK Scratchbox? | 13:09 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd say 1s output buffer and 10s input buffer for music | 13:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | trumee: If you can replicate it - then report it as a bug | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | delor: qt4.6 will arrive to n900 with the next firmware release. Nokia does not announce dates in advance. | 13:10 |
| Chiku | which version is on PR1.1.1? | 13:12 |
| ShadowJK | 4.5.3 | 13:13 |
| trumee | i might have to return my N900 bcause of this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 | 13:13 |
| povbot | Bug 10074: Three UK ISP, 3g data connections stops working after few minutes | 13:13 |
| wall[e] | anyone want to use speech recognition with qtirreco? | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: Have you called Nokia Care? | 13:13 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: no i haven't. how do i do that? | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | my Operator used to be like that too, and the other operator I had was rock stable with the same device (E70) | 13:14 |
| wall[e] | or flash PR1.2HK? | 13:14 |
| wall[e] | j/k | 13:14 |
| delor | ShadowJK, thx | 13:14 |
| frals | nice 60second timeout between you can report posts :< | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/contact-us | 13:15 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: it is a problem of network? | 13:15 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: thanks | 13:15 |
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| Chiku | qt4.6 supports multitouch even on resitive screen right? | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | trumee: if you ask the network they blame Nokia, if you ask Nokia they show you your phone working perfectly on another network and blame your operator.. or atleast that has been my experience :) | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | but add your vote to that bug anyway | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | if you're exoeriencing the same thing | 13:17 |
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| trumee | ShadowJK: i am the reporter of that bug :) | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | oh :) | 13:17 |
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| ShadowJK | is there nobody else on three in uk.. | 13:18 |
| Chiku | trumee, after flashed your phone you still got this problem? | 13:18 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: what network your were having problem with? | 13:18 |
| trumee | Chiku: yes. i flashed just to test for that bug | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | Saunalahti in .fi. DNAFinland was rock solid on same device. | 13:19 |
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| Chiku | After flashed it NO more problem | 13:19 |
| RST38bis | mooo, ShadowJK | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | meow | 13:19 |
| Tuukka | talk.maemo.org down? | 13:19 |
| frals | it seems so yes | 13:20 |
| RST38bis | no | 13:20 |
| Tuukka | Doesn't respond for me | 13:20 |
| Chiku | phone call stops around 1min and lost operator connexion,... something it worked fine | 13:20 |
| * RST38bis notices that andrewfblack seemingly broke more thngs than he fixed in his latest minimalist tmo theme | 13:20 | |
| Chiku | sometimes* | 13:20 |
| djdm | Yep, I'm getting tmo down, too | 13:20 |
| trumee | There is somebody else who reported this on tmo | 13:21 |
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| RST38bis | Tuukka: sacrifice more virgins! | 13:21 |
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| Chiku | tmo down happend often right? | 13:21 |
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| trumee | seems everybody is after pr1.2 :p | 13:21 |
| Tuukka | I'll be waiting for the official release | 13:22 |
| djdm | Oh, tmo has given me a database error | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | rst38h: jump to first new post still broken? | 13:22 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm | 13:23 |
| noobmonk3y | anyone know where to find the thread with the links to the "clear icons" for the desktop | 13:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | tis a mare trying to refind all this customizing malarky | 13:23 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: dunno, I am mostly pissed off at the layout | 13:23 |
| Tuukka | clear icons = no gray background?? | 13:24 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah | 13:24 |
| Tuukka | I'd like that too | 13:24 |
| noobmonk3y | tis in the mammoth old customize thread somewhere | 13:24 |
| noobmonk3y | just replaced a file on the device | 13:24 |
| noobmonk3y | but finding it is a pain | 13:24 |
| Tuukka | Does it work for 3rd party apps aswell= | 13:24 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: guy can't just avoid the lure of designing "nice" visual elements like bubbles etc | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 13:24 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 13:24 |
| t-tan | two version of Qt4.6.2 get installed on PR1.2. bad for memory footprint... | 13:25 |
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| RST38bis | even although they are ugly, big, and useless | 13:25 |
| noobmonk3y | still got 98mb free in rootfs after re-installing my backups! | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes I just want a plain text interface because a) it works b) the revolutionary invention of wordwrap makes it scale ;p | 13:25 |
| ShadowJK | t-tan: wtf? :) | 13:25 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: Google Reader Mobile UI is pretty decent | 13:26 |
| t-tan | ShadowJK: the one from Nokia and qt-maemo5* | 13:26 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan, your repo down? | 13:26 |
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| RST38bis | So, just copying that should do the job | 13:26 |
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| ShadowJK | t-tan: what versions are they? | 13:27 |
| Tuukka | talk back online | 13:27 |
| * Jaffa wonders how long it'll be before rumours of tmo being down are blamed on Nokia wanting to contain the PR1.2 leak :-/ | 13:27 | |
| RST38bis | cant complain with tmo down | 13:28 |
| t-tan | for example, ii libqt4-gui 4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5 Qt 4 GUI module | 13:28 |
| t-tan | ii libqt4-maemo5-gui 4.6.2~git20100212-0maemo1 Qt 4 GUI module | 13:28 |
| ShadowJK | wtf :) | 13:28 |
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| frals | Jaffa: "omg nokia took down talk.maemo.org because of pr1.2 leak!!!!!" | 13:29 |
| frals | t-tan: -maem5 is the old one from devel aint it? | 13:30 |
| RST38bis | t-tan: you have got a package that wants the older qt version | 13:30 |
| fils-maudit | Isn't maemo the OS who stole everything to Moblin ? | 13:30 |
| RST38bis | yes it is | 13:30 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Eeek?! | 13:30 |
| RST38bis | and it is worse than iphone. | 13:30 |
| RST38bis | go masturbate over that now. | 13:30 |
| frals | Jaffa: ;D | 13:31 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: this chap had the same problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50784 | 13:31 |
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| RST38bis | Jaffa: see, if you suggest nicely, they obey | 13:31 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38bis, hm huh, im getting no ballons/lines/crap compared to before | 13:32 |
| Trizt | any news about pr 1.3.4.2.3.532.3? | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | and fontsize is sensible-ish on n810 | 13:32 |
| ShadowJK | and jump to first new works | 13:32 |
| t-tan | ok, found out that only autodisconnect and ses depend on the old Qt version. | 13:32 |
| RST38bis | ShadowJK: every message in a thread shows up in a baloon | 13:33 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if the .css failed to load | 13:33 | |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I don't get that | 13:33 |
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| ShadowJK | I get name | number | date | report | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | <hr> | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | body | 13:34 |
| ShadowJK | <hr> | 13:35 |
| ShadowJK | minimalist and nice. | 13:35 |
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| RST38bis | maybe I am usiing the wrong minimalist??? | 13:37 |
| noobmonk3y | Tuukka, http://www.nokian900applications.com/remove-the-shadow-of-the-desktop-icons-on-our-nokia-n900/ | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | oh yeah, minimalist dark has the bubbles | 13:38 |
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| arachnist | .25 | 13:39 |
| arachnist | whoops | 13:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | wohoooo device back to normal | 13:46 |
| ShadowJK | The new minimalist light makes browsing tmo on n900 a not-painful experience again | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | as far as browsing goes :0 | 13:50 |
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| Tuukka | noobmonk3y, Thanks! | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | np :D | 14:04 |
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| * MohammadAG thought everyone hated him with no email for 5 days, turns out modest removed its own settings... | 14:05 | |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, Healthcheck 1.2.0-0 ready to go, with you guessed it - PR1.2 readyness ;) hehehe | 14:05 |
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| * noobmonk3y grins | 14:05 | |
| wall[e] | i guess pr1.2hk just kill m.o ? | 14:06 |
| wall[e] | forum | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | m.o? | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | oh tmo! | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | think so | 14:06 |
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| MohammadAG | me? | 14:06 |
| wall[e] | better get some food waiting :S | 14:06 |
| wall[e] | you | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh tmo | 14:07 |
| wall[e] | YES | 14:07 |
| wall[e] | food! | 14:07 |
| d14 | o/ | 14:07 |
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| Tuukka | which theme is alpha nad which beta? | 14:09 |
| Tuukka | I'm using digital nature. | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | alpha's the blue 1 | 14:10 |
| Tuukka | k, thanks! | 14:10 |
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| frals | i wonder how the spam about leakedfw affect nokias view on maemo.org | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, where it is leaked doesnt really matter | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | wasnt tmo's fault | 14:10 |
| noobmonk3y | even if it was a tweet - it woulda been out quick | 14:11 |
| frals | the fact its getting spammed there might | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol that just depends how childish nokia is ;) | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | right, time for a big fat fryup | 14:11 |
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| PhonicUK | alo all | 14:15 |
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| Tuukka | What software should i use to compress my boot video? What settings? | 14:18 |
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| wazd | anybody's interested in developing shortcut bar status applet for n900? :) | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG__ | there is one afaik | 14:23 |
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| nid0 | so yeah, just back home after being out a couple of days, can anyone sum up the 650-post 1.2 "released" thread for me? | 14:25 |
| frals | someone linked the hk release fw | 14:26 |
| anotnac | its global variant leak not HK | 14:26 |
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| nid0 | so that's a leaked version of the legit fw image? | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Shortcut? For apps? | 14:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: yep | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | nid0: It seems to be a leaked version of *a* legit fw image. | 14:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: like mini dock | 14:27 |
| frals | "legit" | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | nid0: It may not be the one which is released to the world | 14:27 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Seen the one which already exists? | 14:27 |
| wazd | Jaffa: nope, how it's called? | 14:28 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I honestly searched | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | wazd: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46321 | 14:28 |
| wazd | oh, that's nice, thanks Jaffa :) | 14:28 |
| Jaffa | wazd: np | 14:28 |
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| wazd | what's so dramatical bout PR 1.2 btw? | 14:37 |
| wazd | haven't seen that much bugs and stuff yet | 14:38 |
| wazd | microb crashed once, chromium crashed once, portrait mode everywhere once, that's kinda all :) | 14:38 |
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| Tuukka | Not much really... Few nice new features and some bug fixes | 14:39 |
| wazd | I wonder why ovi's down | 14:39 |
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| Noma | does anyone have the conversations-problem with the leaked pr1.2? received messages don't get archived, i still can receive and send messages, but can't find them anywhere afterwards | 14:40 |
| Tuukka | wazd, ovi is working fine for me | 14:40 |
| wazd | Tuukka: hmmm | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | nobody ripped 1.2 from HK n900? | 14:40 |
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| Chiku | nope it's not hk one | 14:40 |
| wazd | Tuukka: authorisation is down for me both from n900, e63 and PC | 14:40 |
| Tuukka | did you use the shortcut in the menu? | 14:41 |
| wazd | Tuukka: does it matter? :D | 14:41 |
| Tuukka | maybe? Dunno | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, it was leaked | 14:41 |
| wazd | Tuukka: I tell you, it says that authorizations servers are down, check back later. From PC too | 14:42 |
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| jacekowski | any download link? | 14:43 |
| Tuukka | check the threat in talk | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | well, i have small problem with that link | 14:44 |
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| jacekowski | i don't understand that language and i've got no idea where to click | 14:44 |
| Tuukka | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5526521/Maemo_5_PR1.2_Joshv06 | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | we are talking about http://www.rayfile.com/zh-cn/files/39306400-5536-11df-8581-0015c55db73d/? | 14:44 |
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| Tuukka | it's the same file, it has been hosted to multiple sites | 14:45 |
| Noma | so no one here has the conversations-problem? | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | seriously if you're leaking something leak it as a tar.gz | 14:46 |
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| Tuukka | * away, playing Mass Effect 2 | 14:47 |
| wall[e] | tmo is so dead | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.12-9_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin.bz2 | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | if anybody is interested | 14:48 |
| Noma | is there some way to reset the conversations-app or its settings completely? | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | Noma: probably removing folder from your ~/ | 14:48 |
| Noma | what folder? | 14:49 |
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| jacekowski | remove them all | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | ( disclaimer, if something else will disappear it's your problem ) | 14:50 |
| Noma | :) | 14:50 |
| Noma | it's maybe my problem in any case after i've flashed some leaked firmware from unknown source :D | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | Oh crap, I almost forgot /opt is cleared | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, not being an arse or anything, but isn't it illegal to share the file? | 14:53 |
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| MohammadAG | (ignoring the torrents and other leaks obviously) | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | do you really think i care? | 14:54 |
| t-tan | jacekowski: be careful with posting copyrighted material... | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | i mean it's publicly avaliable anyways | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | so nobody would bother to do anything about it | 14:55 |
| mikki-kun | hi uhm... i wanted to remove the preinstalled games on my n900 and found some pkgs with "apt-cache pkgnames | grep $STRING_FROM_GAMETITLE"... would it be safe for me to just remove then those? | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | yes | 14:55 |
| mikki-kun | ok, thanks :) | 14:55 |
| t-tan | jacekowski: most DVDs+CDs are "publically" available but it is not legal to distribute them | 14:55 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, but you have to pay for dvd's | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | that's free | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:56 |
| Noma | i don't think nokia would care about this | 14:57 |
| t-tan | jacekowski: when the Nokia legal department contacts you it's no longer free... | 14:57 |
| Noma | actually they get a lot of beta-testers here and they all do the flashing completely at their own risk | 14:57 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, why is there no sqlite3 module for python in the sdk? | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | t-tan: imagine that case would go to court | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | t-tan: they would have to prove that i caused them any loses | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | I'm still wondering who leaked it | 15:01 |
| jacekowski | it's probably rip from hk version | 15:02 |
| * MohammadAG looks at infobot | 15:02 | |
| wall[e] | is it possible that nokia just want massive testers w/o paid and chance of being sued? | 15:02 |
| frals | lol | 15:02 |
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| t-tan | jacekowski: I don't know where you're living but in most developed countries copyright infringement itself is criminal | 15:03 |
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| jacekowski | t-tan: it is but i'll get probation in worst case scenario | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | t-tan: if they will manage to link that back to me | 15:06 |
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| Treibholz | http://paste.debian.net/71628/ | 15:09 |
| Treibholz | sqlite3 is there, but I cannot import it... | 15:10 |
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| mikki-kun | Ö.ö why does "mymenu" need the 4 games which i just uninstalled?! | 15:14 |
| mikki-kun | any way i could edit the packages ebuild? | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | there is no ebuilds on maemo | 15:15 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, then what would be the adaptation of ebuild on maemo? | 15:15 |
| Treibholz | ebuild... that would take AGES | 15:15 |
| mikki-kun | cause i just want mymenu not those games -.- | 15:15 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: maemo uses dpkg | 15:15 |
| Trizt | whihc games are you trying to get rid of? the ones that comes with maemo5? | 15:16 |
| mikki-kun | yup | 15:17 |
| mikki-kun | and i got rid of em | 15:17 |
| Chiku | about VANILLA EMMC image do you flash it before or after COMBINED one ? | 15:17 |
| * lcuk prods noobmonk3y back | 15:17 | |
| Trizt | it's a maemo dependncy, each time you make some install those will come back | 15:17 |
| * noobmonk3y waves | 15:17 | |
| mikki-kun | w00t?! | 15:17 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 15:18 |
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| mikki-kun | that is... f'd up... | 15:18 |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: same happens in gentoo, when you update soure ebuild-repository... | 15:19 |
| * MohammadAG pings lcuk | 15:19 | |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: and you don't need a compiler! | 15:19 |
| mikki-kun | any way of blacklisting those packages? | 15:19 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: when they are a hard dependency, it will be hard. | 15:20 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: which package? | 15:20 |
| mikki-kun | mymenu would be now the package which causes them to get installed | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | # apt-cache show mymenu | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | W: Unable to locate package mymenu | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | E: No packages found | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | the packages in maemo do not have the same quality, as in Debian... | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | they also write in /home/user/, which is pretty ugly. | 15:22 |
| gevaerts | mikki-kun: you could try equivs | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG | /home/opt not /home/user | 15:23 |
| * Treibholz would say: Fuck the games! There is enough space! | 15:23 | |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: to me "apt-cache showpkg mymenu" shows something entirely different | 15:23 |
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| Treibholz | MohammadAG: e.g.: dpkg -L adblock-plus-1.0 | 15:25 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/71630/ | 15:26 |
| mikki-kun | how do i install a specific version number of a package? | 15:26 |
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| javispedro | Treibholz: "maemo is different" | 15:26 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: man apt-get | 15:26 |
| Treibholz | apt-get install pkg [ { =pkg_version_number | /target_release_name | /target_release_codename } ] | 15:27 |
| mikki-kun | would love having "man" on the n900 | 15:27 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: yes... this is maybe one of the most stupid ideas they had, removing the manpages... | 15:28 |
| Treibholz | this thing has 32GB of space an the remove ~10MB manpages... | 15:28 |
| mikki-kun | they take space... but space which is used for something goof | 15:28 |
| mikki-kun | *good | 15:28 |
| javispedro | not for the average user, which will never read them... | 15:29 |
| mikki-kun | i rahter have 4MB man's than 4MB of nonsense games... | 15:29 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: I don't know any "average user", that owns a n900. | 15:29 |
| mikki-kun | lol :D | 15:29 |
| javispedro | I know a thousand of them | 15:29 |
| javispedro | They're now fleeing like lemmings to their bittorrent clients. | 15:30 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö | 15:30 |
| mikki-kun | why? | 15:30 |
| javispedro | look at the active topics in talk.maemo.org | 15:30 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if anyones gone over this image for 'fun'. | 15:32 | |
| * javispedro wonders if "RELEASED" on the topic title is doing more damange | 15:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | Like a leetle daemon that mails all your contact info. | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Or installs a keylogger searching for cc | 15:32 |
| javispedro | There have sooooooooooooooooooooo many times I would like to do that ;P | 15:32 |
| javispedro | Cause it would be _trivial_ for anyone to create their own fscked up PR1.2 image with half SDK components and half previous image components | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Or working accellerometer switching - but upside-down. | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:33 |
| javispedro | and also add in any "extra" applications and features | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | overclock kernel of course | 15:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | fmms | 15:34 |
| javispedro | a little daemon sending "special" sms to all contacts | 15:34 |
| mikki-kun | w00t? now that is odd... when the pkg-manager is running (the one you use with your finger) you can't override the lockfile even with the root-acc? | 15:35 |
| ShadowJK | maybe some mod could change released to 'leaked' | 15:35 |
| mikki-kun | make me feel kind of like "sorry root, but user is more powerful than you" | 15:35 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck now reads the version as PR 1.2 - Leaky Release | 15:35 |
| gevaerts | mikki-kun: you can kill the thing | 15:36 |
| mikki-kun | i know, but still kind of... "odd" | 15:36 |
| b-man | i wonder how Nokia feels about that PR1.2 image being leaked :P | 15:36 |
| gevaerts | It's accessing the same data, overriding the lockfile would lead to "interesting" situations | 15:36 |
| Termana | god, how long must I suffer from the discussion of the leaked PR 1.2? | 15:36 |
| Termana | /ignore whole-room | 15:37 |
| Termana | :P | 15:37 |
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| * gevaerts doesn't see any room | 15:37 | |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: that's normal. | 15:37 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, maybe i got too used of seperating user and root | 15:37 |
| * Termana slaps gevaerts with an n900 and says he doesn't care | 15:38 | |
| mikki-kun | here on this box i haven't even sudo installed | 15:38 |
| Termana | Poor n900 | 15:38 |
| gevaerts | mikki-kun: it has *nothing* to do with separating user and root, and *everything* with maintaining data integrity | 15:38 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: apt-get install sudo | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | b-man: it was one of the biggest booze weekends of the year in .fi. If they're like me they're still too hungover to care. | 15:38 |
| zokier | besides the app-manager probably runs as root too | 15:38 |
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| Treibholz | mikki-kun: here it was preinstalled... | 15:38 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: here on gentoo i apt-get myself to death :D | 15:38 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: ahh, you don't use sudo normally? | 15:39 |
| mikki-kun | not at all anymore | 15:39 |
| mikki-kun | kind of made the n900 in the beginning a small mystery of how to "su" there | 15:39 |
| * Treibholz even took away root's password, so I can only become root with a key or with sudo. | 15:40 | |
| mikki-kun | what is actually the root-pw for the n900? Ö.ö | 15:40 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: set it. | 15:40 |
| Treibholz | sudo gainroot | 15:41 |
| javispedro | it has no rootpw. | 15:41 |
| Treibholz | which is good. | 15:41 |
| Treibholz | root doesn't need a password! | 15:41 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, so i even need to set that... just curious, how was somebody able to get root if this account isn't accesible | 15:41 |
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| javispedro | don't see any reason for either "yes" or "no". | 15:41 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: via sudo. | 15:41 |
| mikki-kun | meh, my typing is really bad today >.< | 15:42 |
| mikki-kun | whoah, sudo -i is way faster than sudo gainroot | 15:42 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 15:42 | |
| MohammadAG | <b-man> i wonder how Nokia feels about that PR1.2 image being leaked :P | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | someone's being tortured for doing it | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | sigh | 15:44 |
| Treibholz | because of this broken SDK, I have to develop on my real device... | 15:44 |
| b-man|n900 | MohammadAG: or loosing their job lol | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | s/loosing/lost | 15:45 |
| * b-man|n900 develops on his n900 all the time | 15:45 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 15:45 |
| noobmonk3y | what are the chances that the leaky release is bugged, not healthcheck :| | 15:46 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, wrong company | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | and how exactly do you compile :P | 15:46 |
| Termana | :P | 15:46 |
| * noobmonk3y will file a bug report under leaky release version ;) | 15:46 | |
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| Treibholz | grrr and MyDocs as vfat is also stupid! | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, lol, Apple's basically the same | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | all companies do the same | 15:46 |
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| MohammadAG | Treibholz, get rid of them | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | you'll lose your camera, but meh, who needs one | 15:47 |
| Treibholz | *sigh* | 15:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I know that was the case early-on. As I understand it now that's fixed. | 15:47 |
| javispedro | Treibholz: broken SDK? | 15:47 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: http://paste.debian.net/71628/ | 15:48 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: sqlite3 module for python is not working. | 15:48 |
| javispedro | Treibholz: have you noticed that you're running python2.3? | 15:48 |
| javispedro | Treibholz: run python2.5 | 15:48 |
| Treibholz | uhh.... where is that coming from? :-) | 15:49 |
| b-man | python2.3 is _old_ | 15:49 |
| javispedro | python2.3 comes from scratchbox itself; it's run native instead of emulated | 15:49 |
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| Treibholz | *sigh* | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, fixed? how? | 15:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I'm unsure. I sidestepped it. I made myDocs 4G | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | and vfat | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, and the rest? | 15:53 |
| Chiku | does zsh package exists for meamo? | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the rest as an ext2 in /home/user/data/ | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | ext3 | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | oh, not for opt then | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | no - /home/ is still 2G as stock | 15:53 |
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| Chiku | there is file system for flash device? | 15:54 |
| PerfDave | There's JFFS | 15:54 |
| Chiku | yes | 15:54 |
| SpeedEvil | PerfDave: jffs is raw-flash only, as is ubifs | 15:54 |
| lirakis | nice ... pr1.2 rc leaked | 15:55 |
| SpeedEvil | PerfDave: that is - they could only be used on the 256M device - not the 32G - which has an internal flas thransaction layer, and presents as more or less a 'hard disk'. | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | LogFS would be nice | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | if it ever becomes ready :) | 15:55 |
| Treibholz | nilfs :-) | 15:55 |
| gevaerts | SpeedEvil: well, they *can* be used there with some hoops, but it's an extremely pointless thing to do | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | lirakis, nothing nice about it :) | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | gevaerts: debatably. | 15:56 |
| lirakis | MohammadAG, why is that? | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | gevaerts: some of the ubifs features may do positive stuff even on an emulated block device. I haven't looked into this in enough data. | 15:56 |
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| ShadowJK | nilfs2 is nice in performance, but the GC behaviour is battery and wear unfriendly | 15:57 |
| ayanes | Hi there | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | lirakis, clue's in your sentence leaked | 15:57 |
| lirakis | why is it bad that it is "leaked" | 15:57 |
| Treibholz | hmm, my script works on the original, device and breaks the calendar in the sdk... | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | lirakis, cause 1. It's a test image, 2. someone leaked it | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | I'm more worried about 2 right now | 15:59 |
| lirakis | i dont see a problem with getting it out there. i wish nokia were more open with the whole process instead of keeping quiet about firmware and features until they launch | 16:00 |
| lcuk | bbl | 16:00 |
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| frals | would be nice to have a filter for all this pr1.2 leak | 16:00 |
| frals | so i dont have to see it everywhere | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | frals, indeed | 16:01 |
| lirakis | if nokia didnt try be apple with it... it would be such a talked about thing | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | frals, #maemo1.1.1 :P | 16:01 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: you are from israel? | 16:02 |
| squidd | frals: /ignore #maemo perhaps? | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, yeah | 16:02 |
| frals | lirakis: you honestly think the maemo5 updates are comparable to how apple handle iphone os? | 16:02 |
| lirakis | frals, no | 16:02 |
| frals | squidd: ye, problem is id miss the few good things that comes out of this channel :p | 16:02 |
| lirakis | i mean that nokia tries to keep all info etc. on lockdown | 16:03 |
| gevaerts | lirakis: how do you know this is an unmodifire PR1.2 (RC) leak? | 16:03 |
| nid0 | what info? the only info thats "on lockdown" is a release date | 16:03 |
| frals | about release dates because its a business decision - id say they are getting pretty open about bugzilla stuff etc | 16:03 |
| frals | gevaerts: they dont | 16:03 |
| squidd | frals: some sacrifices has to be made | 16:03 |
| lirakis | i dont understand what the big deal is... just tell people - yeah .. we are working on features x,y,z and it will be out on blah. you can d/l nightly builds at ... foo | 16:03 |
| frals | squidd: true, atm it seems worth ignoring the whole chan :< | 16:04 |
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| nid0 | x,y,z are all clearly visible in the pr1.2 changelog and bugzilla | 16:04 |
| frals | lirakis: you can download the latest builds of all foss code at maemo.gitorious.org | 16:04 |
| nid0 | blah cant be given because 1) its still being tested and 2) as frals said, business decision | 16:04 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 16:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | hey guys? | 16:04 |
| nid0 | foo = maemo.ghitorious.org | 16:04 |
| frals | s/all/most/ maybe | 16:04 |
| * lirakis sighs and walks away | 16:04 | |
| nid0 | -h* | 16:04 |
| frals | sup timeless_mbp | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | is there an easy package one can depend on to enforce 'does not install on pre 1.2'? | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | well, thing with nightly builds is that 99% of them don't work | 16:05 |
| Trizt | hi timeless_mbp | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a package which will destroy a pre 1.2 system | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | hi Trizt | 16:05 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: fremantle-pr >= blabla? | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: that's often removed by users | 16:05 |
| gevaerts | timeless_mbp: then your package will reinstall it :) | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | gevaerts: nope | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | since it isn't generally available | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i can use tablet-browser-controls iirc | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but that's kinda stupid | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: so um, i think you might have been offered 0.1-8 | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | if you were, that's unfortunate | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | as it's dangerous | 16:06 |
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| ShadowJK | also there are different femantle-pr packages on different variants | 16:06 |
| ShadowJK | although a package depending on generic global firmware is a cute idea | 16:07 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: libhildon | 16:07 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: there's also a maemo-version (or something), IIRC | 16:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: no packages matching maemo-v* | 16:07 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; that one I upgraded to over a week ago if I recall it right | 16:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: libhildon1 ? | 16:08 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; so what does it break? | 16:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: so the idiots running the "platform" | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | don't understand that you can't randomly change the meaning of a string identifier | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | we do things like sprintf(random_string, integer) | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but if the random string in a future version is "%d %s" instead of "%d" | 16:09 |
| Chiku | tmo thread is closed | 16:09 |
| Trizt | oh, that's a bad thing, you had a sauna party where they decided this? | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: "thinking" isn't necessary in this group | 16:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so it generally isn't done | 16:10 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; sounds like you have the same people working for you as we do | 16:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | steve jobs is suing person that leaked pr1.2 ) | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so, <= 2.2.4 means 1.1.1 or older? | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | libhildon1 has a much higher version for 1.2 | 16:11 |
| javispedro | timeless: "maemo release" | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Yeah, think so. | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: 2.2.10 is the 1.2 one | 16:11 |
| javispedro | "maemo-release" | 16:12 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: ta | 16:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | maemo release ? | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i don't have that package? | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | only maemo-ringtone? | 16:12 |
| javispedro | oh, it might be sdk only. | 16:12 |
| timeless_mbp | that's helpful! | 16:12 |
| javispedro | indeed... :P | 16:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | btw is maemo sdk in ubuntu repo? | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 16:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | and is nokia qt sdk in any repo? | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo sdk is partially closed | 16:13 |
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| ZogG_N900 | so? | 16:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | flash is closed and nvidia driver closed a lot of things are closed so what | 16:14 |
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| wazd | timeless_mbp: microb is freaking awesome browser :) | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 16:14 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: just wanted to say this personally :) | 16:15 |
| ZogG_N900 | th3hate, israel? | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | ZogG: some repositories aren't big fans of hosting closed stuff | 16:15 |
| ZogG_N900 | so is it no for sure? | 16:17 |
| javispedro | timeless: seems it's not on device indeed. ideally you should depend on the exact component whose older version causes troubles -- to prevent people like me who have updated libhildon but not rest of the system install it. | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | so what's the problem | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | that's how most people do it | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | depend on specific version or version higher than | 16:18 |
| jacekowski | well, depending on higher than fails very often when somebody makes changes that break api | 16:18 |
| gevaerts | I'd conflict with the older version | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | not really | 16:20 |
| jacekowski | because dependencies would upgrade it | 16:20 |
| massoud | hey there, i am trying to get "mobilehotspot" to work on my n900 to share my 3g connexions but doesn t work | 16:20 |
| massoud | has anyone got this package to work on n900 ? | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: the problem is that the devs/managers are idiots | 16:21 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: have you heard bout any Ovi store problems recently? | 16:21 |
| Trizt | massoud; did you reboot your n900 after install of the kernel? | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm shipping a localization package that replaces strings for the entire platform | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not shipping one package per package | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i tried that for the n800/n810, it was hell | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | a huge waste of resources | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | wazd: perhaps. share? | 16:21 |
| massoud | Trizt: what do you mean ? i didn t install a new kernel, just the mobilehotspot package | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i would make something that automaticaly builds subpackages | 16:22 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; can't you make the official English instead? so it's a good one from starters? | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: been there, tried that, 'no' | 16:22 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: I can't login to ovi from any device or PC righ now | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: and one metapackage that depends on all subpackages | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: and each subpackage would depend on specific version | 16:22 |
| wazd | timeless_mbp: it says that authorization service is temporary down | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: that way leads to madness | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i did it for the n800/n810 | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a huge amount of overhead | 16:22 |
| Trizt | massoud; for the mobilehotspot requires a different kernel than the default one, and to change kernel you need to reboot | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and it requires actually recognizing when the idiots broke each package | 16:23 |
| timeless_mbp | which might be secret info | 16:23 |
| wazd | timeless: tried from e63, n900 and PC | 16:23 |
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| Trizt | wazd; did login with SeaMonkey 2.0.4 without any troubles | 16:24 |
| massoud | Trizt: how should i update my kernel the cleanest way ? | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: i have code pending which would be able to deal w/ this | 16:24 |
| timeless_mbp | but... | 16:24 |
| massoud | Trizt: I am running "Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap" currently | 16:24 |
| Trizt | massoud; install the kernel-power package, reboot the phone after successful install | 16:25 |
| th3hate | yes zogG | 16:25 |
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| * Trizt hates the following message from ovi files: 'Oops... Your computer isn't set up correctly.' | 16:27 | |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; how do I downgrade to a safe translation? | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: force install 0.1-7 for now | 16:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll have a proper 0.1-7/0.1-8 up in a few mins | 16:29 |
| Trizt | okey | 16:29 |
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| squidd | lol | 16:32 |
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| squidd | talk.maemo has great admins :P | 16:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 16:33 |
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| squidd | closed that pr1.2 topic | 16:33 |
| squidd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51615&page=74 | 16:33 |
| timoph | good | 16:33 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hi ! | 16:35 |
| sandstorm | what can I do if my system locks up for some reason and I cant access anything in order to soft reset my system such as doing shutdown -h now on terminal ? | 16:35 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum maybe change the topics :) | 16:35 |
| squidd | whats wrong in the topic? :O | 16:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | no pr1.2 yet | 16:36 |
| squidd | I suppose thats still true? | 16:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | should be : no official pr1.2 yet | 16:36 |
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| Khertan_n900 | :) | 16:36 |
| squidd | theres only RC I think | 16:37 |
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| Khertan_n900 | yep a leak :) | 16:37 |
| Khertan_n900 | or maybe a hk version | 16:37 |
| squidd | yes, so topic still correct :) | 16:37 |
| Khertan_n900 | don t know i didnt download ... | 16:38 |
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| Khertan_n900 | it s maybe not an rc | 16:38 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 16:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | th3hate me too | 16:38 |
| squidd | Nokia will release it tuesday. Now that its out in the open anyways theres no reason to hold it back | 16:39 |
| mikki-kun | sandstorm: by holding the power button you force a shutdown -h NOW afair... or does it just turn of the device? dunno anymore | 16:39 |
| sandstorm | mikki-kun: I've tried that holding it down for like 15 or more seconds but it only turned off the screen | 16:39 |
| ZogG_N900 | squidd will release RC or release? | 16:39 |
| Termana | how about you pull your battery out? :P Its not an iPhone | 16:39 |
| sandstorm | mikki-kun: after I release and re-press it it turned on the screen just as it was | 16:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | termana good one | 16:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | ) | 16:40 |
| mikki-kun | Ö.ö that's odd | 16:40 |
| sandstorm | mikki-kun: did not reboot or shutdown the system | 16:40 |
| sandstorm | agreed | 16:40 |
| mikki-kun | if it still won't turn off use some C4 | 16:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | use terminal | 16:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki meh TNT FTW | 16:41 |
| Termana | ZogG_N900, didn't you hear him, his phone is already terminal - it won't turn off! Oh you meant, the terminal on the phone... :P | 16:41 |
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| vanadismobile | just buy a new one... | 16:41 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: but TNT is old... and afaik C4 is stronger | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | mikki-kun: :| | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | I cant use terminal | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | cuz it does not let me access | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | terminal | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | its locked up | 16:42 |
| Termana | sandstorm, seriously, why not just pull the battery? | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | that's the trick but | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | if I had the chance to access terminal | 16:42 |
| sandstorm | it wont be necessary | 16:43 |
| mikki-kun | Ctrl+Shift+x could maybe give you on | 16:43 |
| mikki-kun | *one | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | hmmm | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | I did not know that | 16:43 |
| Termana | sandstorm, what about ssh? | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | shortcut | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | hmm ssh | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | wonderful idea | 16:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki depends | 16:43 |
| sandstorm | I will try that next time | 16:43 |
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| sandstorm | but unfortunately I had not installed openssh before it locked up | 16:43 |
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| * ccooke wonders how many people installed the leaked pr1.2 | 16:44 | |
| ZogG_N900 | not sure if c4 stronger than tnt | 16:44 |
| ZogG_N900 | i had blowed up tnt | 16:44 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive) | 16:44 |
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| sandstorm | thanks for brilliant ideas | 16:45 |
| sandstorm | I need to go off now | 16:45 |
| Termana | It depends really on how badly its locking up. If its a really bad lock, you have no choice but to hard restart, because it won't respond at all to ssh etc. Otherwise something like ssh should be fine. | 16:45 |
| * Khertan_n900 didn't but will wait a bit to know if there is a update this week | 16:45 | |
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| mikki-kun | ccooke: i wonder how many fried their n900 due to that leaked version :D | 16:45 |
| * Khertan_n900 didn't install the leaked but will wait a bit to know if there is a update this week | 16:45 | |
| Mace_N900 | damn it kind of sucks i need to keep my phone open to use my bt keyboard correctly | 16:45 |
| Gilly | 16:46 | |
| Gilly | * | 16:46 |
| Mace_N900 | the enter key doesnt work when i close it | 16:46 |
| ZogG_N900 | why would anyone fry it? | 16:46 |
| Gilly | oops, sorry for that... misclick | 16:46 |
| ccooke | mikki-kun: Probably? Very, very few. But that doesn't mean *I* am going to install it :-) | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, mind taking down the file off your server? | 16:46 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: i read a few lines up here in this channel it should also have the OC-feature integrated... | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | why? | 16:46 |
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| massoud | Trizt: once kernel-power is installed, i need to upgrade my kernel after reboot ? | 16:47 |
| Mace_N900 | ugh | 16:47 |
| * Trizt nods | 16:47 | |
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| Mace_N900 | at least everything on it seems to work other than the enter key | 16:47 |
| Mace_N900 | but it sucks so bad that i need to keep the phoe open for it heh | 16:47 |
| Mace_N900 | ah well. let me try out openoffice with this | 16:48 |
| ccooke | Mace_N900: what do you mean "keep the phone open"? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, cause it was taken down from tmo | 16:48 |
| Mace_N900 | i mean i need to have the hw keyboard exposed and the phoe open | 16:48 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki i wouldn't try it anyway till it's out | 16:48 |
| ccooke | the phon app? the hardware keyboard out? | 16:48 |
| Mace_N900 | when i am using my su8w | 16:48 |
| Arkenoi | i really hate that almost all the time my phone does *something*. tracker-indexer, as-daemon, intellisyncd, modest, just every 5 minutes some fucking heavy io application wakes up and makes ui non-responsive, video player jerky, etc etc | 16:48 |
| mikki-kun | Mace_N900: the "return" key on the n900 has the funtion "Kb_RTRN" or something like that... maybe that leads to some "problems" inside the system | 16:48 |
| ccooke | ... you need the hw keyboard out *and* the phone app running? | 16:49 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: neither would i ;) | 16:49 |
| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: maybe.. i dont know where to fix that though | 16:49 |
| ZogG_N900 | hope it's really out tuesday as it's my bday | 16:49 |
| Mace_N900 | i suppose i can try to find the keymap and change it | 16:49 |
| Arkenoi | i wonder what does as-daemon do for 15 minutes eating 100% cpu | 16:49 |
| Mace_N900 | to use my su8w i need to run a script | 16:49 |
| Arkenoi | and performing io all the time as well | 16:49 |
| mikki-kun | Mace_N900: but i am not sure what happens if you change that to just "RETURN"... | 16:49 |
| ZogG_N900 | arkenoi u have the answer in question | 16:49 |
| Mace_N900 | in order to change the keymaps because it won´t work right out hte box | 16:49 |
| ZogG_N900 | it eats your cpu that's what it is doing | 16:50 |
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| Arkenoi | fuck! | 16:50 |
| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: well. i have to find out ;) | 16:50 |
| Mace_N900 | because leaving the kb open is kind of a crappy solution | 16:50 |
| mikki-kun | if return works fine please let me know... | 16:50 |
| Mace_N900 | i mean i can deal with it but i still wish i could close it | 16:50 |
| ZogG_N900 | who is using n900 to chat here right now say hooray | 16:50 |
| Arkenoi | it sucks | 16:50 |
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| Mace_N900 | other than that though.. the bt keyboard works like a champ | 16:51 |
| Mace_N900 | i´m using it right now | 16:51 |
| mikki-kun | i think i | 16:51 |
| Mace_N900 | i´m about to try it out in openoffice in easydeb and see how it works out | 16:51 |
| ZogG_N900 | mace out of box? | 16:51 |
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| mikki-kun | i think i need to try a speedtyping once on the N900s keyboard | 16:51 |
| Mace_N900 | ZogG: no. i had to edit the bt config file | 16:51 |
| Mace_N900 | and enable hid | 16:51 |
| mikki-kun | Mace_N900: openoffice on the n900?! | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | then set the keymap with a file i had to download for the special keys | 16:52 |
| mikki-kun | you mean via SSH -Y right? | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: yeah. it comes with easydeb | 16:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | actually don't think i need extra keybord | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | no. i mean in the debian chroot | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | on the phone itself | 16:52 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh... well, i didn't install easydeb | 16:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | as it loses all the point of small sizes and mobility | 16:52 |
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| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: it works pretty well | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | but i need to really test it out | 16:52 |
| Mace_N900 | i was hoping i could figure out how to get cups going and print straight off the phone | 16:53 |
| Mace_N900 | that would be awesome | 16:53 |
| mikki-kun | how fast is OOO on the n900? | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: well, i've taken it down, but i don't think it was illegal | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: slow | 16:53 |
| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: it´s not too bad | 16:53 |
| Mace_N900 | a little slower but useable | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | ooo is slow by itself | 16:53 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: would you recommend using ssh then therefire? | 16:53 |
| Mace_N900 | yeah heh | 16:53 |
| ZogG_N900 | jacekowski is a leak ? ) | 16:53 |
| Treibholz | OOo is slow on any hardware. | 16:53 |
| ZogG_N900 | not true | 16:54 |
| Mace_N900 | i used to run ooffice on my 350Mhz ppc | 16:54 |
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| mikki-kun | well, OOo does work nice on my gentoo-box here | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 16:54 |
| Mace_N900 | it runs better than that ;) | 16:54 |
| ZogG_N900 | it works pretty fine for me | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | it took like 30 minutes to start | 16:54 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 16:54 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki same thing | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it was, and is illegal, which is why they ask for IMEIs on tablets-dev | 16:54 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki bin or compiled? | 16:54 |
| Mace_N900 | it took like a minute to start on my phone | 16:54 |
| Mace_N900 | anyways tho.. i need to figure out where the hell this mapping is when theh phone is closed so i can change it | 16:55 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: have you noticed that that license on tablets-dev only applies to older firmware | 16:55 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: i was told that it shouldn't matter that much, but i compiled it... +10hours on a atom n280 XD | 16:55 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate having to leave my phone open in my su8w mount | 16:55 |
| Treibholz | mikki-kun: yes, and when you compile it in winter, you can turn down the radiator! | 16:55 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki u are crazy | 16:55 |
| Mace_N900 | it looks kind of retarded :) i just hope they address using a bt keyboard in a next release or something | 16:55 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki try to compile chromium | 16:55 |
| Mace_N900 | and have good support for bt keyboards | 16:55 |
| Mace_N900 | and have a working koffice that runs native heh | 16:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | so does nokia find leak? | 16:56 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: chromium?! Ö.ö never... either conkeror or uzbl | 16:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | konquer* | 16:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | mikki just try. it takes forever | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, does it really matter :) | 16:56 |
| mikki-kun | Treibholz: sadly i can't... i am currently located in thailand... there it won't matter if it's either summer or winter | 16:56 |
| Mace_N900 | konqueror seems to forever suck | 16:57 |
| Mace_N900 | it reminds me of opera :) | 16:57 |
| mikki-kun | ZogG_N900: you'll be willing to delete then every config-file by yourself which is left? ;) :D | 16:57 |
| ZogG_N900 | opera once was browser of my choice | 16:57 |
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| mikki-kun | i am talking about conkeror, not konkeror | 16:58 |
| Mace_N900 | ZogG: mine too in like 1993 | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | i'm using opera | 16:58 |
| mikki-kun | conkeror is a gecko-based browser which uses emacs-style keybindings for surfing | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | it's fastest and least bloated browser at the moment | 16:58 |
| Mace_N900 | opera for android isn´t too bad | 16:58 |
| Mace_N900 | it kind of reminds me of microb on the n900 | 16:58 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: have you ever heard of surf? that is a minimalistic browser | 16:58 |
| Mace_N900 | just not as functional | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: but it's useless as well | 16:59 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: well, for surfing just enough ^^ | 16:59 |
| mikki-kun | i myself have conkeror/uzbl running... | 16:59 |
| mikki-kun | would love getting uzbl on the n900 | 17:00 |
| massoud | how do i install the new kernel once kernel-power is installed ? | 17:00 |
| Mace_N900 | ah well.. let me look on the forums and see if i can find out where the keymap is for when the phone is closed so i can get this thing to work right | 17:00 |
| Mace_N900 | like i said.. it works fine other than having to keep the phone open .. it´s more of a cosmetic thing that is irritating me | 17:01 |
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| ZogG_N900 | there are a lot new things that came from opera | 17:02 |
| mikki-kun | Mace_N900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard that will probably be what you are looking for | 17:02 |
| Mace_N900 | mikki-kun: ok. thanks | 17:03 |
| Mace_N900 | i will check it out right now | 17:03 |
| Mace_N900 | i just disconnected it.. back to slow typing heh | 17:03 |
| mikki-kun | and here another site which can be really helpful :) http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-keyboard-remapping.html | 17:03 |
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| Mace_N900 | but do not place the copy in the nokia_vndr folder or it will stop your phone from booting. | 17:05 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 17:05 |
| Mace_N900 | ok. i bookmarked them.. once i get the chance i will go ahead and start working on it | 17:06 |
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| Mace_N900 | hopefully someone is working on getting this working out the box especially with the advent of the koffice project | 17:06 |
| mikki-kun | have fun with it :) btw, which keyboard-layout are you using? | 17:06 |
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| Mace_N900 | the su8w one | 17:07 |
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| mikki-kun | Ö.ö how does that look? | 17:07 |
| Mace_N900 | i got it from a forum. i didnt really look at it | 17:07 |
| Mace_N900 | i have to soon | 17:07 |
| mikki-kun | do you have a link? | 17:07 |
| Mace_N900 | the kb mapping changes when the phone is closed tho | 17:08 |
| Mace_N900 | one sec.. i will find it... | 17:08 |
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| mikki-kun | ahhhh, i meant by layout if you either are using qwertz or qwerty or something else ;) | 17:08 |
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| Mace_N900 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout | 17:11 |
| mikki-kun | but it looks nice :) just not something if you are really walking | 17:11 |
| Mace_N900 | haha.. i wouldnt use it to walk and type | 17:11 |
| Mace_N900 | i want to use it for koffice or openoffice or irc on the phone when im stationary | 17:12 |
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| Mace_N900 | it is a lot better to just have a phone and keyboard in your pockets than a netbook or laptop in a bag | 17:12 |
| Mace_N900 | the su8w is the size of an opened n900 | 17:13 |
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| Mace_N900 | it was awesome on my n95.. i typed whole term papers on it in quickoffice | 17:14 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, i think i need a small keyboard as well | 17:15 |
| mikki-kun | for worst-case szenario like when my netbook dies ^^ | 17:15 |
| Mace_N900 | i am willing to bet all i have to do is edit the su8w keymap and change the return/enter mapping | 17:15 |
| Mace_N900 | since the xkb command seems to go by keyboard choice | 17:15 |
| mikki-kun | hm, are you actually using irssi on the n900? | 17:16 |
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| trumee | what happened to that pr 1.2 leak thread on tmo? | 17:17 |
| trumee | was it deleted? | 17:17 |
| |R | pouf | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | closed | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51615&page=74 | 17:18 |
| mikki-kun | a generall question regarding irssi on the n900... is "script"support there removed? | 17:18 |
| Mace_N900 | does tmo even sell n900s? | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: yes | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, yes, they missed a link, I reported, it got deleted in 4 minutes | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: i have tmobile n900 | 17:19 |
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| jacekowski | Mace_N900: but he's talking about different tmo | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: talk.maemo.org | 17:19 |
| Mace_N900 | oh | 17:19 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 17:19 |
| Mace_N900 | do they lock it? | 17:19 |
| Mace_N900 | i didnt even know they sold them | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: it would need perl in dependencies to have scrit support | 17:19 |
| Mace_N900 | but then again... i didnt want to give up my android data plan | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: they were 2nd to sell them in uk | 17:20 |
| mikki-kun | uhm... no perl on the n900? | 17:20 |
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| Mace_N900 | they would probably find a way to charge you more for an n900 | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: there is other package with perl | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: i'm on t-mobile and i'm happy | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | ( maybe because i'm still using my old o2 plan ) | 17:20 |
| Mace_N900 | so i just bought mine from dell | 17:20 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: but would that give irssi perl-support? | 17:20 |
| Mace_N900 | yeah haha. see what i mean? | 17:21 |
| trumee | ah crap. that thread was fun as long as it lasted. now back to boring speculation thread again :( | 17:21 |
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| Mace_N900 | i bet if i told them i wanted to use an n900 my bill would double | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: my sister is using t-mobile plan with iphone i gave her | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | Mace_N900: and she's happy | 17:21 |
| mikki-kun | with the iphone or the t-mob plan? | 17:21 |
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| Mace_N900 | they think i am still using a g1 | 17:21 |
| jacekowski | both | 17:21 |
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| jacekowski | and she's watching youtube on it 24/7 | 17:22 |
| Mace_N900 | no 3G on tmobile tho | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | eee? | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | do you live in middle of nowhere? | 17:22 |
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| Mace_N900 | er... | 17:22 |
| frals | o/ lcuk | 17:22 |
| Mace_N900 | iphones dont support the tmob 3g freq | 17:22 |
| jacekowski | i think you are talking about different t-mobile | 17:22 |
| Mace_N900 | no.. im not | 17:23 |
| lcuk | hey frals | 17:23 |
| frals | hows you? | 17:23 |
| lcuk | have you seen ossipena's vertsms app | 17:23 |
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| Mace_N900 | i have t-mobile. iphones dont use the 1900 freq | 17:23 |
| Mace_N900 | er | 17:23 |
| Mace_N900 | 1700 | 17:23 |
| jacekowski | t-mobile UK? | 17:23 |
| frals | lcuk: nope | 17:23 |
| Mace_N900 | oh.. no | 17:23 |
| Mace_N900 | Us | 17:23 |
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| Mace_N900 | US... im in chicago | 17:23 |
| * ptl not using PR1.2 | 17:24 | |
| Mace_N900 | tmobile uses 1900 in the uk? | 17:24 |
| lcuk | frals, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51635 nice start | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | w00t_, any idea why qt4.6 seems to now handle windows slightly differently - just testing and what worked in 1.1.1, and made the windows stackable, no longer work :| | 17:24 |
| frals | lcuk: just found it, looks good | 17:24 |
| Mace_N900 | iphones here will only go 2G on tmob.. the same for n900s on att | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, that vertsms app looks pretty good :D | 17:25 |
| lcuk | needs work, but like your app will give people choice | 17:25 |
| * lcuk likes developers in the maemo community :) | 17:25 | |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 17:25 | |
| Khertan_n900 | i didn't like the ui ... but it ll give user choice | 17:25 |
| Mace_N900 | anyways. my son should be waking up soon | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n900, of course its a prototype | 17:25 |
| Mace_N900 | and it is raining so he is going to be stir crazy heh | 17:25 |
| frals | naming functions in native language instead of english >_< | 17:25 |
| lcuk | he took the ball and started something | 17:25 |
| Khertan_n900 | of course ... but i prefer landscape mode | 17:26 |
| lcuk | hiya noobmonk3y yeah | 17:26 |
| Khertan_n900 | and vert is the main purpose :) | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and you are fully catered for Khertan_n900 | 17:26 |
| Khertan_n900 | gnagnagna :) | 17:26 |
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| Mace_N900 | Khertan, profile ftw! | 17:26 |
| lcuk | im not a portrait texter either | 17:26 |
| lcuk | but i know tracy is | 17:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | :P | 17:26 |
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| Khertan_n900 | :) | 17:26 |
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| Mace_N900 | haha... it is a phone... portrait is good for quick stuff | 17:27 |
| jacekowski | iphone like sms app would be nice | 17:27 |
| Mace_N900 | and the fact i have to twist my arm to read txts and IMs... | 17:27 |
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| lcuk | one of my mates has made a dock for his 900 | 17:27 |
| Mace_N900 | that seems kind of odd | 17:27 |
| lcuk | when its charging its upsidefudgingdown tho | 17:27 |
| Mace_N900 | instead of being able to glance at it in a natural arm position | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | its a natural position for anyone who is a regular n8x0 user | 17:28 |
| Khertan_n900 | yep just a matter of preference :) | 17:28 |
| lcuk | or anyone with hardware keyboard mobile device experience | 17:28 |
| Mace_N900 | lcuk, yeah but i didnt keep my n8x0 in my pocket as much | 17:28 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, of course | 17:29 |
| Mace_N900 | when you grab the n900 out the pocket... | 17:29 |
| Mace_N900 | to read an im or txt | 17:29 |
| lcuk | its one swift motion to slide the keyboard open and answer person | 17:29 |
| Mace_N900 | you have to rotate your whole arm to read it | 17:29 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 17:29 |
| lcuk | problem with onscreen sms for me is that you wont see the conversation yet | 17:29 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | that will be something shall have to try and make work | 17:30 |
| Khertan_n900 | exactly | 17:30 |
| Mace_N900 | you have to go through too many motions to read a txt | 17:30 |
| lcuk | i bet its feasible to show at least the last couple of lines | 17:30 |
| lcuk | but thats ui/ux work | 17:30 |
| Mace_N900 | instead of just pulling the phone out the pocket and reading | 17:30 |
| frals | those things are pretty easy to add | 17:30 |
| * lcuk pokes aSIMULAtor | 17:30 | |
| lcuk | yeah frals | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | next important one (and something i noted on the thread) is getting abc's onto the mini keypad | 17:31 |
| lcuk | and ensuring its translatable | 17:31 |
| Mace_N900 | looking at the clock too.. brain cycles are lost deciphering a sideways clock | 17:31 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 17:31 |
| frals | need to bookmark that thread | 17:31 |
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| lcuk | +1 Mace_N900 | 17:31 |
| frals | and sort this apn issue in fmms so i have time to look at other projects | 17:31 |
| Mace_N900 | music players as well | 17:31 |
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| Mace_N900 | jack on the bottom of the phone... | 17:32 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, question for you.... is there a chance that a developer can have an app working on PR1.1.1 and below, fine... but needs to create a separate version that runs on PR 1.2 and above... therefore forking projects? | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | it's not a bottom | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | it's side | 17:32 |
| Mace_N900 | portrait mode is more natural | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | no | 17:32 |
| Mace_N900 | i jud | 17:32 |
| noobmonk3y | (Allthough realistically, everyone should upgrade anyway) | 17:32 |
| jacekowski | portrait mode is what people are used to | 17:33 |
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| Mece | cheers | 17:33 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, pr1.2 is not up for discussion by myself today and if the little flashing PM boxes dont stop ill go again :) | 17:33 |
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| Mace_N900 | i consider the side you put to your mouth the bottom of a PHONE | 17:33 |
| Chiku | what fiasco ? | 17:33 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 17:33 |
| lcuk | *not from you ) | 17:33 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: afaik there is separate 'extras' for pr1.2 | 17:33 |
| frals | or did they remove that? | 17:33 |
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| Mace_N900 | either way.. in a pocket it is more natural in portrait | 17:33 |
| Khertan_n900 | Mace_n900 and when you use headphone ? | 17:34 |
| Chiku | does PR1.1.1 is FIASCO? | 17:34 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, really? freaky deaky | 17:34 |
| Mece | frals, I believe they are supposed to merge once pr1.2 is out. | 17:34 |
| Mace_N900 | considering the wire in the jack gets in the way | 17:34 |
| Mace_N900 | of holding the phone | 17:34 |
| Mace_N900 | while it's on the side :-P | 17:34 |
| Mece | hey what's the current RC version btw? 16-8? | 17:34 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: do you have anything specific in mind? because you shouldnt be needing to fork the project to maintain a different compability imo | 17:35 |
| noobmonk3y | well... stacked windows = different in qt 4.6 onwards | 17:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | so basically healthcheck fooks up | 17:35 |
| Khertan_n900 | hum .... | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | you just have to add loads of #ifdef's | 17:35 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, is it. different how? | 17:35 |
| noobmonk3y | "Maemo 5 Stacked Windows are support by setting the Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow widget attribute on all top-level windows that should be part of the stack. The root window should not have a parent, while all other windows in the stack should have their predecessor in the stack set as their parent (do not forget to use the Qt::Window widget flag, if you are not using QMainWindow derived classes)." | 17:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | jacekowski : python interpreter : syntax error | 17:36 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm trying to translate that into english so i can understand it lol | 17:36 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: the easy workaround is to make a check which version its running under and then adjust the method calls accordingly | 17:36 |
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| Khertan_n900 | translate to python after :) | 17:36 |
| Mace_N900 | hahaha | 17:36 |
| noobmonk3y | attila posted this though "Stacking changed in Qt4.6 (and thus in PyQt), it’s no longer regulated by parent relations, but by an attribute (similar to the orientation stuff in my example), see http://qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-maemo-4.6...edwindows.html" | 17:36 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, how is it done in 1.1.1 then? | 17:36 |
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| jacekowski | Khertan_n900: one of the reasons why i think python should be banned | 17:37 |
| Khertan_n900 | LOL | 17:37 |
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| frals | im with khertan on that one, lol. | 17:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | mece - if i knew both answers well enough i probably wont have an issue but currently i just call stackablewin = theMainWindow(MainWindow) | 17:37 |
| Mece | jacekowski, you insulted him so he left.. | 17:37 |
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| Khertan_n900 | hum ban qt too | 17:37 |
| Mece | lol | 17:37 |
| mikki-kun | hm, is there actually a possibilty to add a small infobox showing which contact comes on and off in skype or any other service which can be monitored? | 17:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, meh - screw people who dont upgrade i say | 17:38 |
| * noobmonk3y will get some extra trouts in for noob slappings...... | 17:38 | |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, agreed. | 17:38 |
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| Khertan_n900 | and ban the guy which port xchat and put that close box without asking | 17:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 17:38 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, it would automagically be fixed in dependencies.. or unfixed or whatevrr. | 17:39 |
| lcuk | lol Khertan_n900 you mean on the channel bar? | 17:39 |
| Khertan_n900 | if you really want to quit | 17:39 |
| lcuk | i click it often too! | 17:39 |
| * frals looks over at RST38h | 17:39 | |
| MohammadAG_ | ban Ubuntu 10.04 while you're at it, it sucks | 17:39 |
| lcuk | but xchat on 900 does ask | 17:39 |
| noobmonk3y | mece - testing on leaky version = failed healthcheck... | 17:39 |
| Khertan_n900 | now i mean on the task switcher | 17:39 |
| Khertan_n900 | MohammadAG_ 10.04 works well | 17:40 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, so get fixin' | 17:40 |
| noobmonk3y | so if i create a new way of doing it i will bugger up 1.1.1 version | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_n900, it asks "Are you sure you want to quit" "Minimize/cancel/quit" and a check box to "Don't ask next time" | 17:40 |
| Khertan_n900 | noobmonk3y the power of qt ... :) | 17:40 |
| lcuk | im betting you ticked the checkbox once | 17:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Khertan | 17:40 |
| Khertan_n900 | lcuk: never see it | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | Khertan_n900, do you use XChat on it? | 17:40 |
| lcuk | well no, after you tick the button once it doesnt ask | 17:40 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, is it a fundamentally different approach then, or just need to change that one line? | 17:40 |
| phellarv | Anyone tried PR1.2 yet? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | apparently xchat crashes gtk, which needs a reboot to fix (even kill -9 doesn't work) | 17:41 |
| Mece | Khertan_n900, same here. | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | phellarv, topic | 17:41 |
| Mece | phellarv, I guess a lot of people tried the old leaked version. | 17:42 |
| Chiku | old? | 17:42 |
| Chiku | there is new one? | 17:42 |
| Khertan_n900 | MohammadAG_ i use xchat on n900 and on ubuntu 10.04 | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | 4 weeks old | 17:42 |
| Khertan_n900 | no problem with it | 17:42 |
| phellarv | Sorry - didn't see the last part of the topic | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | Khertan_n900, X64? | 17:42 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n900, http://liqbase.net/Screenshot-20100502-154125.png | 17:42 |
| noobmonk3y | Mece, not sure yet, will let you know when i figure out how to fix it ;) | 17:42 |
| Mece | chiku, well, it's 12-9, and current is 16-8 i hear. | 17:42 |
| Mece | chiku, so yeah, old. | 17:42 |
| Khertan_n900 | MohammadAg x64 and i32 | 17:42 |
| noobmonk3y | personally i kinda like the leahed version - for dev testing - will reflash back to 1.1.1 later :D | 17:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, looks like he ticked the box :P | 17:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | leaked* | 17:43 |
| Chiku | so there is new one but not released yet? | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Khertan_n900, no idea, it just crashes, and I'm not the only one | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | yeah MohammadAG_ | 17:43 |
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| Mece | chiku, no pr1.2 is released. an old version is leaked. | 17:43 |
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| Khertan_n900 | lcuk: fake ! | 17:44 |
| mikki-kun | which tools would you actually recommend installing on the n900? i know, sounds like a general question, but maybe i missed a few of them | 17:44 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 17:44 |
| Chiku | 16-8 leak one would be good :) | 17:44 |
| lcuk | Khertan_n900, ? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | why would i fake something in 10 seconds that occurs everytime i use it | 17:44 |
| Mece | mikki-kun, what do you intend to do? | 17:44 |
| lcuk | what does anoy me is the layout of those buttons | 17:44 |
| lcuk | its not finger friendly and minimize goes nowhere | 17:44 |
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| Khertan_n900 | because i m kindding you | 17:44 |
| lcuk | but i dont complain about little things usually :) | 17:45 |
| chem|st | damn hell... 1.5h into deleting posts now grml | 17:45 |
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| mikki-kun | well, maybe have a more complete n900... i think i am a lil too minimalistic... though i already used 165MB of the rootfs | 17:45 |
| Mece | chiku, well that depends if it turns out its good. but then it wont be leaked because it will be released. | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: :-/ | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638463#post638463 meh, flaming | 17:45 |
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| lcuk | mikki-kun, healthcheck | 17:45 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: it sucks... | 17:45 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: what exactly does it do besides checking your hardware? | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Any grumbling started yet? | 17:45 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, increase your girth | 17:46 |
| Mece | chem|st, deleting links ? | 17:46 |
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| * noobmonk3y waves at mikki-kun - healthcheck rocks! but i'm a bit biased ;) | 17:46 | |
| chem|st | Jaffa: not yet | 17:46 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, its just a little app | 17:46 |
| nid0 | healthcheck suxxx!one | 17:46 |
| noobmonk3y | lol nido | 17:46 |
| chem|st | Mece: yes and pictures and fights and rant and noise and... | 17:46 |
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| * frals trouts noobmonk3y with a salmon | 17:46 | |
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| * lcuk noobmonk3ys frals trout a with | 17:47 | |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 17:47 | |
| Mece | chem|st, don't delete it all, there was a lot of fun idiocracy in that thread! | 17:47 |
| chem|st | those ppl are not aware of that nokia sits next to the powercord of the hosting server... | 17:47 |
| * frals giggles lcuk with a noobmonk3y | 17:47 | |
| nid0 | people doing that always remind me of robin hood | 17:47 |
| mikki-kun | WTF?! i just stopped a reboot of a windows-machine... it took the persons box 5:53 minutes to reboot Ö.ö | 17:47 |
| * ptl is working out. Right now. | 17:48 | |
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| chem|st | Mece: I jsut deleted the links and the requests for links the rest is there but reggie closed it already | 17:48 |
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| frals | ah got my SDK up and running again, can finally spam HAM with updates \o/ | 17:48 |
| Khertan_n900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638384#post638384 | 17:48 |
| Mece | chem|st, yep, I saw. | 17:48 |
| Khertan_n900 | lol | 17:48 |
| noobmonk3y | stupid question alert - how do i actually use Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow ? | 17:49 |
| Mece | damn, now I'm annoyed with the stacking windows. I was just about to make one for an app I'm doing. | 17:49 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, spam maed from trouts? trouty spammage? | 17:49 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Mece | 17:49 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: healthcheck woul cost me 10MB of rootfs Ö.ö | 17:49 |
| Mece | waitup, I can help with that. | 17:49 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, it better not do! | 17:50 |
| Khertan_n900 | ?? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | cos its optified | 17:50 |
| noobmonk3y | mikki-kun, it installs lots of dependencies :P - to test everything on your device, unfortunatley lots are not optified :( | 17:50 |
| lcuk | /opt/healthcheck | 17:50 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, I figure it's the same as the rotate ones. | 17:50 |
| chem|st | Mece: I like the sense of piracy but you dont piss at the fence of s/o who gives you his keys to his playground | 17:50 |
| noobmonk3y | but as lcuk says - healthcheck itself is tiny | 17:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | Mece, what does the code actually look like though? | 17:50 |
| Mece | chem|st, I agree. | 17:50 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, any other app besides that? ^^ | 17:51 |
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| mikki-kun | i think i'll install the gnu-utils | 17:52 |
| chem|st | Mece: I am open to sign a NDA and be part of a RC testing group; however I do not understand why Nokia keeps the RCs a secret, wouldnt it help a lot to have a larger group of ppl who are knowing what they do to test it tho? | 17:52 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: Mece: if we don't allow links to non-Nokia unauthorised, copyrighted material; we shouldn't really allow it for Nokia material. | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! OH CRAP | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | I reinstalled it about 10 times! | 17:53 |
| Jaffa | chem|st: They did it for PR1.1, no idea why they didn't do it again. | 17:53 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG_: didn't you have this lately? | 17:53 |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: what are you installing under? gui installer worked fine for me on ubuntu10.04 32bit | 17:54 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, here is some c++ that should translate straight to py: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | chem|st, it started with 10.04 | 17:54 |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: perhaps they didn't get enough useful feedback last time? | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, using the scripts | 17:54 |
| Khertan_n900 | jaffa : this link seems to be a leak too | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | lol yeah got that | 17:54 |
| chem|st | Jaffa: I agree, like I said dont piss at Nokias fence it is the first company I know doing an OSproject like this | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | doesnt translate yet ! | 17:54 |
| Khertan_n900 | at least when we look at the schematics pdf | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | gettin ginvalid syntaxes everywhere | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, afaik the GUI does the same as the script | 17:55 |
| Mece | I'm going to do this app in c++ but I'm doing it in py first, so I can comfortably dev on the device. | 17:55 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: Perhaps. It didn't get leaked though ;) | 17:55 |
| Mece | noobmonk3y, lol | 17:55 |
| chem|st | Mece: thats how it should be... those MEM leak py background things eat kittens | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | ugh rebooting | 17:56 |
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| Khertan_n900 | mem leak py background ?? | 17:56 |
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| lardman|home | Jaffa: true, so were they running a test group who were less trustworthy than us then? ;) | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | lardman|home: Only logical conclusion :) | 17:57 |
| Mece | chem|st, I want a png bg on a listview, but it's slow as shit in py. I'm kinda hoping it would be better in c++ | 17:57 |
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| chem|st | Khertan_n900: recaller for example, the widget made hildon-home swap alot and several programs went to D state | 17:57 |
| lardman|home | Jaffa: :D | 17:57 |
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| Khertan_n900 | uh ? ... it s not a python problem but a badly written python hildon-home launcher | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Welcome to Scratchbox, the cross-compilation toolkit! <-- yeah, Ubuntu's f'd | 17:58 |
| mikki-kun | hu? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | Hello, punks | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | heya lardman, anything new and exciting since the barcode thing? =) | 17:59 |
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| lardman|home | RST38h: have been busy trying to get barcode thing finished (with very able help from dragly) | 18:00 |
| lardman|home | RST38h: v busy at work, also trying to move house atm | 18:00 |
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| lardman|home | RST38h: but give me a digital compass, and I'd like to do some augmented reality app hacking :) | 18:00 |
| mikki-kun | w00t, i just found chromium browser in the extras-devel for the n900 Ö.ö | 18:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to adjust topic wrt to the PR1.2 part - depends on common request in this channel though. keep/delete? first to gain 5 votes is winner | 18:02 | |
| gevaerts | DocScrutinizer: s/kicked/banned/? :) | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, that's a new request, ok will consider. Though this needs at least 10 votes to win | 18:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: Heh, the real feat would be to do it without the compass =) | 18:04 |
| frals | im with gevaerts on this one | 18:04 |
| lcuk | RST38h, lardman|home indeed, testing wise it shouldnt matter whether there was or wasnt a compas there | 18:04 |
| lardman|home | RST38h: well my wife has just given me her Android phone (she hated it) so I might use that as a remote BT compass ;) | 18:04 |
| lardman|home | slight overkill I know! | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | duct tape | 18:05 |
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| Mece | is there some big premierleague game going on right now? | 18:05 |
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| * frals is happy, i broke healtcheck \o/ | 18:06 | |
| RST38h | http://pw0nd.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/cleric-499x413.jpg | 18:06 |
| Khertan | hum ... after reading some post about pr1.2 leaked version ... i hope this is not the version we are waiting as from some reports there is still some bugs | 18:06 |
| RST38h | lardman: ! =) | 18:06 |
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| * frals slaps noobmonk3y with a huge trout | 18:06 | |
| RST38h | Khertan: There are always bugs | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Khertan: and people realize they cannot downgrade.. heh :) | 18:07 |
| Khertan | RST38h, yep of course ... : but : some says that microb won't start | 18:07 |
| Khertan | some says they have reboot loop | 18:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer counts each post here nonrelated to above opened poll as a 0.25 vote to keep it this way | 18:07 | |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, ho ? really ? | 18:07 |
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| Khertan | Stskeeps, cann't reflash with an older version ? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: upgrading modem firmware it sounds like | 18:07 |
| Khertan | ouch | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Khertan: There are always people who are stuck in reboot loop. | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | serves them right | 18:08 |
| Mece | LOL | 18:08 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, uhm ... a reason ? | 18:08 |
| * RST38h moos at Stskeeps evilly | 18:08 | |
| frals | lol Stskeeps :D | 18:08 |
| Mece | man I'm disappointed that most of the douches seem to have stuff working. | 18:08 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Just chronic bad luck =) | 18:08 |
| Khertan | ah .... murphy ... | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/schlemazel | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | Mece: Feeling left out? :) | 18:09 |
| Khertan | anyway i ll not trust and install a leaked version from a unknow guy ... some malwares could be include :) | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law | 18:10 |
| Mece | RST38h, didn't feel like trying some old RC today. I'm pretty happy with 1.1.1 actually. | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Yea, but Murphy's is less personal | 18:11 |
| Khertan | true | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: welcome on board of accesslist btw :-) Always wondered why you're not in there | 18:11 |
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| jacekowski | well, things i was hoping for are not in 1.2 | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | so it's just useless update | 18:12 |
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| Mece | I did mention that this is a 4 weeks old rc, so obviously it's not final pr1.2, but nobody took note of that. | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: you definitely should not waste time installing it then | 18:12 |
| Mece | jacekowski, what are you yearning for? | 18:12 |
| RST38h | ponies? | 18:12 |
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| Khertan | Mece, didn't know ... thx for the information | 18:13 |
| nid0 | hm, the supertesters thread is kinda disheartening | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | turn by turn voice navigation in ovi maps | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: oh dear | 18:13 |
| nid0 | so many people volenteering for the role who dont seem to have done qa on even one package in -testing, ever | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, laziness. | 18:14 |
| Mece | aaaahaha brilliant post by hynkel :D | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, plus, X-Fade is just such a good abuser. ;) | 18:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 18:14 | |
| Mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638515 I lol'd | 18:15 |
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| frals | time to thumb down on planet \o/ | 18:16 |
| Khertan | nid0, héhé ... and there will be zero results | 18:16 |
| RST38h | nid0: But they are all obviously well qualified to test packages | 18:16 |
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| nid0 | well I put my name down in the thread anyway as im already a testingsquad member and test most stuff going through, but out of like 15 "ill do it"'s i'm like the only one I can see | 18:16 |
| Khertan | RST38h, of course testing a package is just installing the app and clicking on a icon for thumb up or down | 18:16 |
| Khertan | everybody that can read can do it | 18:17 |
| nid0 | if those 15 ish people just tested stuff anyway, the whole supertester thing wouldnt need to exist | 18:17 |
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| Khertan | nid0, even if it s exist it will not solve the problems | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Khertan: The most advanced testers will actually thumb apps down for "lack of bugtracker URL", "lack of localization", or "possibly ip violation" | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | ip violation ? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: is it documented anywhere which PXx.y versions came with a modem FW update, maybe even which version of modem FW? | 18:18 |
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| Mece | what khertan said. | 18:18 |
| nid0 | intellectual property | 18:18 |
| Khertan | ah ... ok | 18:18 |
| RST38h | But, really, this whole testing thing has long become an artificial hurdle preventing useful stuff from going into Extras | 18:19 |
| Mece | what khertan said again :) | 18:19 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, especially if the web interface is bugged :) | 18:19 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Oh do not even start me on the web interface =(( | 18:19 |
| Khertan | RST38h, :) | 18:19 |
| Khertan | anyway it s not my problem anymore ... i didn't care about it | 18:19 |
| Khertan | i didn't have anymore upload right to extras repository :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Speaking of testing, please vote on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo16/ | 18:20 |
| Khertan | RST38h, thumb down ? | 18:20 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Needs 4 more votes before it goes into Extras and those pesku plugin-based dialogs go away | 18:20 |
| Khertan | needs 2 votes now | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Well, if you want to continue suffering cehteh's notifications, then thumb it down =) | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Thanks =) | 18:21 |
| Mece | o. I'll vote for that. does it pass the checklist? | 18:21 |
| Khertan | RST38h, i didn't suffer from anything ... use extras-devel :) | 18:21 |
| nid0 | Mece: ywa | 18:21 |
| GAN900 | Ugh | 18:21 |
| nid0 | yes* | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Same here. Miraculously, it did not do me any harm, like some Council members are claiming it would =) | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | Mece: Cthulhu knows... But it is the same as the previous version, just tweaked notifications | 18:22 |
| Mece | tadaa | 18:22 |
| Mece | 10 up | 18:22 |
| Khertan | Mece, works on my n900 ... didn't drain battery ... and i didn't care about bugtracker link ... so it s thumb up for me | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | What's different about this xchat? | 18:22 |
| lcuk | RST38h, you and Khertan as developers know and understand the risks, others do not | 18:22 |
| Mece | rst38h, well Im using it, and haven't had any problems. | 18:23 |
| RST38h | Thanks, all | 18:23 |
| Khertan | lcuk, yep ... i didn't say to user to use extras-devel ... | 18:23 |
| Khertan | lcuk, i say to users to use the Khertan Repository | 18:23 |
| RST38h | ShadoJK: Cehteh's stuff is now mostly disabled. Replaced it with XChat's internal bubble notifications | 18:23 |
| Khertan | more saff :) | 18:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Had to tweak them a bit to make them more terse | 18:23 |
| lcuk | i would really like to find a way for people to subscribe to specific apps from -devel | 18:23 |
| GAN900 | Not really helping anybody by facilitating your owner laziness at the cost of your users' safety. | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, hm.. internal like on N810? | 18:23 |
| lcuk | for example, to test only latest x-chat or something | 18:23 |
| lcuk | without the fuss of the whole lot | 18:24 |
| Mece | Khertan, do you have a newer version of pygtkeditor in your repo? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: heh, I can thumb-up this notification to oblivion? let's go!!! | 18:24 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, those are called PPAs | 18:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Yea, except they look a bit different on Maemo5 and I have not been able to fix the app icon in them | 18:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: but they work and work pretty well | 18:24 |
| Khertan | Mece, hum ... in my repository it s 3.0.15 | 18:24 |
| lcuk | GAN900, ? what do the prescription pricing authority have to do with this | 18:24 |
| RST38h | DocS: It is now off by default, but cehteh's plugin is still included if you need it | 18:24 |
| lcuk | ie, what does PPA mean | 18:25 |
| Khertan | Mece, http://khertan.net/news_en.php | 18:25 |
| lcuk | ahhh GAN900 its ok | 18:25 |
| lcuk | personal package archives :) | 18:25 |
| Mece | Khertan, 3.0.14 here. does it fix the capital letter bug? | 18:25 |
| RST38h | GAN: Repeating my old mantra, if you want developers to use the Extras path, you have to make it easy. By artificially making it difficult, you scare off the developers | 18:26 |
| lcuk | i saw those the other day and agree | 18:26 |
| Khertan | Mece, ? the capital letter bug ? | 18:26 |
| Khertan | didn't know about it | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwww finally something good on britains got talent | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's not about making it easy for developers. | 18:26 |
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| RST38h | GAN: And yes, of course testing matters and so does security. Except that the current policies are kinda lousy with this stuff | 18:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's about ensuring we have good quality software available to users with the least amount of burden possible balanced across all groups. | 18:26 |
| Mece | Khertan it tends to start lines with capital letter, which kis annoying. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | RST38h, extras shouldnt scare off devs - after all when was the last time you managed to get your download into any distribution by default | 18:26 |
| RST38h | GAN: Well, if it is not about making it easy for developers, then you should not blame the developers for leaving | 18:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles isn't sure why going with your own repository is better than waiting in Extras-devel. | 18:27 | |
| Mece | I keep typing the wrong variable names. | 18:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I can blame whomever I want. :) | 18:27 |
| Khertan | Mece: ... ah i use the hildon autocompletion off setting ... and it s disable too the hildon auto capital | 18:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I blame developers for being unwilling to follow a process that protects their users. | 18:27 |
| RST38h | GAN: Same here, but I usually end up blaming Bill gates =) | 18:27 |
| Khertan | (in the preferences of pygtkeditor) | 18:27 |
| Mece | Khertan, cool, thanks! | 18:27 |
| * lcuk looks forward to an end to end development cycle which does not involve tooth extraction to get started | 18:27 | |
| Khertan | it s already include in 3.0.14 | 18:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Never really wanted to put my apps into any distributions | 18:28 |
| lcuk | apart from maemo | 18:28 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, it s doesn't protect anythings ... try to release a bug fix quickly | 18:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Only doing this on Maemo because of the App Manager specifics | 18:28 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, and you ll see what i mean | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, obviously that's a bug in the process. | 18:28 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, oh ? | 18:28 |
| nid0 | tbh, the one thing that really should be changed about the testing process is a significant decrease in quarantine time | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, but because the process isn't perfect, going off and playing in your own little playground isn't a better solution. | 18:28 |
| Mece | Khertan, any idea why it stopped displaying recent files on launch after I reinstalled? | 18:28 |
| nid0 | to, like, 2 days. | 18:28 |
| nid0 | tops | 18:28 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, but s not possible to improve it ... | 18:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I did have my stuff in SuSE. SuSE people actually licensed the right to package it from me and did the packaging | 18:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fatalism is hardly useful. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | thats fine | 18:29 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, every discussion about it end in trolling game | 18:29 |
| lcuk | do you expect that here too? | 18:29 |
| RST38h | General: Not only the process is not perfect. Nobody is willing to change it, in spite of multiple complaints. | 18:29 |
| lcuk | i wish there was a way to supply unpackaged stuff and get everything done | 18:29 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, and nothing good is done from it | 18:29 |
| RST38h | General: People who care have no rights. People with rights seemingly do not care. | 18:29 |
| frals | packaging is the bane of developing :P | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | frals, ive said it before - installshield! | 18:30 |
| RST38h | General: So, yes, I fully understand Khertan striking it on his own | 18:30 |
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| Mece | frals, I'm getting down with packaging lately :) | 18:30 |
| Khertan | packaging take more time than creating apps ... so yes, there is a problem | 18:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I expect to have less trouble, that's all | 18:30 |
| frals | Mece: yeah its "fine" when you got everything setup etc but... getting there :P | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, understood | 18:30 |
| ptl | Nobody is willing to change theprocess, in spite of multiple complaints. Nokia is not willing to release PR1.2 officially, in spire of multiple complaints. See anything in common? | 18:31 |
| ptl | Nokia is too busy not listening to their customers. | 18:31 |
| Khertan | frals, even if you got everything setup ... you ll encouter bug in the package web interface for example | 18:31 |
| lcuk | nokia are listening to their customers | 18:31 |
| frals | what has extras process to do with pr1.2 not being out? | 18:31 |
| frals | my mind is no stranger to great leaps but its not making that one | 18:31 |
| ptl | Maybe the mentality! :P | 18:31 |
| Khertan | ptl, this are different things ! | 18:31 |
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| ptl | I know | 18:31 |
| Mece | frals, yep. | 18:32 |
| RST38h | ptl: That is different | 18:32 |
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| Khertan | ptl, do not mixing your problem with the packaging / QA problem | 18:32 |
| lcuk | there are a lot more customers than developers nowadays | 18:32 |
| frals | Khertan: hmm, uploaded some 20 diff versions via extras webinterface yet :) only got one app in extras and it went thru testing fine | 18:32 |
| ptl | but it shows the walls that developers, users and power users have to face. A world of frustration. | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | ptl: PR1.2 trouble is different | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | ptl: PR1.2 release is part of Nokia's internal processes. They have to follow the processes. | 18:33 |
| Khertan | frals, yep but one example : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.7-1/ | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, because people don't necessarily agree with your proposed changes, doesn't mean they don't care. :) | 18:33 |
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| RST38h | ptl: Extras policies are really decided by a tiny bunch of people with XFade singlehandedly responsible for changing the process | 18:33 |
| Khertan | and i ve about 10 or 15 differents problem | 18:33 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there some kind of OOM on maemo? seems like maep has gone crazy | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's investing an awful lot of hours into this thing to supposedly not care. | 18:33 |
| Mece | I haven't noticed any problems with pr1.2. I've noticed a lot of impatient jerks though. | 18:34 |
| RST38h | General: I am pretty sure most people agree with at leas a third of my proposed changes | 18:34 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, hop ... | 18:34 |
| RST38h | But it is ok if you do not agree | 18:34 |
| Khertan | and trolling again | 18:34 |
| Chiku | MohammadAG, Healtcheck works on PR1.2 | 18:34 |
| ptl | RST38h: why doesn't he? He is present here almost every day, but seems he doesn't care | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: oom killer is enabled | 18:34 |
| noobmonk3y | Any reason people can see for self.setAttribute(QtGui.WA_Maemo5StackedWindow) not working? | 18:34 |
| frals | Khertan: non-free seems to lack testers i guess :/ | 18:34 |
| Khertan | we didn't say xfade isn't doing his job or didn't care | 18:34 |
| ptl | impatient jerks? c'mon... | 18:34 |
| RST38h | ptl: Maybe because he doesn't, I have no idea | 18:34 |
| ptl | ok, I will not troll about it again. I am also tired of it. | 18:35 |
| Khertan | frals, not the problem of tester ... look at the bugtracker link problem | 18:35 |
| Chiku | noobmonk3y, it was you who healtcheck not works? | 18:35 |
| Mace_N900 | xchat is brutalizing my battery | 18:35 |
| Khertan | i got problem with icon | 18:35 |
| noobmonk3y | getting " module, object has no attribute " error | 18:35 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: ok so at some point maep will be killed :) | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | the issue is rather xfade needs more hands | 18:35 |
| frals | Khertan: yeah, but that got fixed didnt it? | 18:35 |
| ptl | but that's what's left of us. Whining and trolling. The other users have already left the scene. | 18:35 |
| Khertan | got problem with changelog | 18:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, <RST38h> General: People who care have no rights. People with rights seemingly do not care. | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Macer: It should not. rm -rf ~/.xchat2 | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Macer: and reinstall | 18:35 |
| noobmonk3y | Chiku, fancy explaining that question? lol | 18:35 |
| frals | changelog problem i had with pypackager because its not writing a proper debian changelog | 18:35 |
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| Khertan | frals : not really.... it s fixes when i upload the x86 version ... | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: It depends - oom killer is not the only issue - swap can effectively deadlock your system if things go wrong | 18:36 |
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| * RST38h wonders if he should mention the late PR1.2 SDK fiasco | 18:36 | |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, ok but we didn't talk about xfade here | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | and jeremiah really hasnt pulled his weight.. | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Which has been completely avoidable | 18:36 |
| frals | Khertan: weird - not noticed any problems with my changelog unless i bork it with non utf8 characters | 18:36 |
| Khertan | utf8.... hum ... | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the blame for that lies in a number of sectors. | 18:36 |
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| Khertan | maybe it s my problem | 18:36 |
| Mece | frals, just use pypackager to setup initially . then uswe dpkg-buildpackage -sn -S after you've done dch -i | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Mostly Nokia, though) | 18:36 |
| RST38h | General: Not really. | 18:37 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: even with knowing what is going on in a company things can change overnight | 18:37 |
| RST38h | General: It was a simple wrong decision. one decision. | 18:37 |
| frals | Mece: what i did pretty much, i used pypackager for the first versions to get the debian/* files and now im using buildpackage :D | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, if you say so. | 18:37 |
| RST38h | General: If none of the users have PR1.2, you DO NOT make autobuilder produce PR1.2 packages by default. | 18:37 |
| RST38h | General: If you do, everybody is fucked up. | 18:37 |
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| Mece | frals, yep. once you have the debian/* it's easy to fix each version. | 18:37 |
| frals | aye | 18:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | i got alert that sdk is not supported on 64bit system | 18:38 |
| RST38h | All the further justification does not matter, as you have just broke the whole system. | 18:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | any ideas? | 18:38 |
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| Mace_N900 | hm | 18:38 |
| Khertan | ZogG, install a 32bit os | 18:38 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:38 |
| Khertan | the easier way | 18:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | khertan not gonna happened | 18:38 |
| RST38h | But, Stskeeps, it has not been one night. It has been almost a year for Maemo5 alone | 18:38 |
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| RST38h | And we are not talking Nokia practices (like PRxx releases being rare and delayed, etc). We are talking maemo.org practices. | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | <Chiku> MohammadAG, Healtcheck works on PR1.2 <-- ok? | 18:39 |
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| ZogG_N900 | so noone tried on it on 64bit? | 18:39 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, it doesnt | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Quim is so eager to claim that maemo.org is NOT Nokia... | 18:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | Chiku, test the tools page -- open up the dead pixel test and try to close it | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, why is he telling me lol | 18:40 |
| frals | i heard healthcheck is broken all around! | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | you're the one who made it | 18:40 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, because you are a legend ;) | 18:40 |
| * frals takes a swing at noobmonk3y with a trout | 18:40 | |
| noobmonk3y | frals, it got hit by a badly aimed trout :( | 18:40 |
| frals | sorry! :< | 18:40 |
| frals | :D | 18:40 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 18:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | mohammadag is a robot | 18:40 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its entirely possible that X-Fade thought the pr1.2 release was ready - hell a lot of people did - and was trying to be ontop of a newly evolving situation and got caught when testing noticed things - for this i dont "blame" x-fade or any of the maemo team and infact thing the retroactive update to squeeze toolkit will be beneficial in the long run | 18:41 |
| noobmonk3y | still cant get stacked windows working, grrrrrrrrrr | 18:41 |
| lcuk | because it removes the compatability break | 18:41 |
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| Chiku | <noobmonk3y> Chiku, test the tools page -- open up the dead pixel test and try to close it <-- I didt it it's ok | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, unstack it and it'll work | 18:41 |
| noobmonk3y | Chiku, what version? | 18:41 |
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| mece | noobmonk3y, are you using leakyware? | 18:41 |
| noobmonk3y | mece, yeah | 18:41 |
| Chiku | leak one | 18:41 |
| noobmonk3y | Chiku, i mean what healthcheck version? | 18:42 |
| mece | Chiku, I think he meant what ver of healtchecker.. | 18:42 |
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| mece | :) | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lol mece | 18:42 |
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| Chiku | v1.0.0-0 | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | doesnt work for me Chiku - sssstrange | 18:42 |
| Chiku | font is too big | 18:42 |
| mece | a lot of zeroes there :D | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lol mece ;) | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | next version due in extras is V1.2.0-0 ;) | 18:43 |
| Chiku | I flashed vanilla | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | well in devel | 18:43 |
| mece | anyone have some pointers on how to automagically /msg nickserv identify on xchat? | 18:43 |
| lcuk | ZogG_N900, you will hve to read up on the developers documentation on maemo.org about 64bit - it is possible but its not standard and needs extra hurdles | 18:43 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: so basically once the n900 isn't responsive at all because an app leaked too much, the only way to be sure is hard reset via battery? | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh i didnt flash the emmc | 18:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mece, there's a field somewhere in network settings. | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | but that shouldnt make a difference | 18:43 |
| Corsac | (screen won't resume atm) | 18:43 |
| Chiku | I didn't set up dev repos | 18:43 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, ok, looking it up. | 18:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: ok, i'm staging my 0.1-7/0.1-8 | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | wah | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't work | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: help? | 18:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, what with? | 18:46 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a package and i need to ship different versions to different people | 18:46 |
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| lcuk | mece, in the network settings you can assign a user and password | 18:46 |
| lcuk | and afaik they are used for registering | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 0.1-8 needs to be given to people running pr1.2 | 18:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | and 0.1-7 needs to be given to people running pr1.1.1 | 18:47 |
| mece | lcuk, I think I found it. | 18:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, not my area of expertise. | 18:47 |
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| mece | lcuk, only had 2 sessions and this one, so mece__ was not registered.. trying again. | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | right now, ham helpfully says it can't install 0.1-8 because there are "problems" | 18:47 |
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| mece | hmm got invalid password! bastards! | 18:47 |
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| Khertan | lol | 18:48 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; thanks | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: aiui your best bet is to have distinct package names | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: that's insane | 18:48 |
| mece | aah.. stupid capital letter | 18:48 |
| Chiku | what is the package name for new qt animate weather soft? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | is this because ham is lazy? | 18:49 |
| Mece_ | yay works | 18:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Corsac: in some cases, yes. Though I've found that often ssh will be responsive even if the UI is borked | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: hrm | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | can i cheat and have: | 18:49 |
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| * DocScrutinizer greets SpeedEvil | 18:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | (meta-package) Depends: foo-1.1 | foo-1.2 ? | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lo | 18:50 |
| Khertan | http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-tablet-project/ <<< hum .... and somebody say me yesterday that x86 should be used in phone ? | 18:50 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:50 |
| Mace_N900 | blah | 18:50 |
| chem|st | grml still deleting, why are those ppl getting into fights just because of an 15 days old RC? | 18:50 |
| Khertan | HP may also be abandoning Intel-based hardware for its slate lineup simply because it’s too power hungry. | 18:50 |
| Khertan | Read more: http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-tablet-project/#ixzz0mmuJ7mxu | 18:50 |
| Khertan | ;) | 18:50 |
| * SpeedEvil had an x86 tablet design back in the day. | 18:50 | |
| mece | more like 28 days.. | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 2* PCMCIA cards, wrap-around chording keyboard. | 18:51 |
| chem|st | mece: already? | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Virtual display | 18:51 |
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| * chem|st is looking up his cal entries | 18:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | 386/20 class processor (amd elan) | 18:51 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: lo | 18:51 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:51 |
| mece | chem|st, it was 12-8 so week 12. it's week 17 now. | 18:51 |
| mece | perhaps build 8 was later of course.. | 18:51 |
| RST38h | "Submit your website for free!" | 18:51 |
| Khertan | and ? | 18:51 |
| chem|st | mece: you are right... but I guess its not the first git freeze | 18:52 |
| Khertan | <RST38h> "Submit your website for free!" <<< ,??? | 18:52 |
| mece | chem|st someone mentioned we're at 16-8 now.. | 18:52 |
| RST38h | Khertan: just got weird spam | 18:52 |
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| chem|st | mece: so 1.2 will be 16 not 12? | 18:52 |
| chem|st | maybe the HK flash is 12... | 18:52 |
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| chem|st | I guess it will upgrade the first time it gets online ;) | 18:53 |
| Mace_N900 | heh. need to save battery life | 18:53 |
| Mace_N900 | the gov wants to send the national guard here | 18:53 |
| Mace_N900 | hahahaha | 18:53 |
| RST38h | why? | 18:53 |
| Mace_N900 | i love my city | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: honestly... any idea why my xchat regegisters (to be precise ping-timouts) all the time? | 18:53 |
| Mace_N900 | because we are about to have more murders in 6 months than iraq in 6 years | 18:54 |
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| RST38h | Macer: Ah, rioting started? =) | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | no | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | just a typical day in chicago | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | ;) | 18:55 |
| RST38h | DocS: You have to explain this in simpler terms so that a cow can understand | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: does pidgin do this? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: forget GSM then, get a decent satphone | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good question | 18:55 |
| chem|st | Mace_N900: was just about to ask if you live in chico bay | 18:55 |
| RST38h | Macer: Wasn't there some law against using the Army inside the country? | 18:55 |
| Mace_N900 | hahaha | 18:55 |
| Mace_N900 | national guard isnt really rhe army | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 18:56 |
| Mace_N900 | they are scrubs | 18:56 |
| Mace_N900 | hahaha | 18:56 |
| ptl | Mace_N900: send some of these guys to pressure Nokia guys to release updates in a timely manner | 18:56 |
| RST38h | Got it | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: any better idea for an app to test the system IP stack. Pidgin went off my device on day 2 I had it | 18:56 |
| Mace_N900 | i was in the usmc | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: alright | 18:56 |
| Mace_N900 | they are worse than local police | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 18:56 |
| chem|st | ptl: they are not allowed outside us, that would be army then... | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i have package foo-meta | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: honestly... any idea why my xchat regegisters (to be precise ping-timouts) all the time? | 18:56 |
| timeless_mbp | Depends: foo-1.1 | foo-1.2 | 18:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: reinstall it. or irssi - you don't care about generic tests - but IRC | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: take my notes with more than a grain of salt. I'm a total noob | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | cause freenode sucks :) | 18:57 |
| Mace_N900 | national guard is meant for these sorts of tasks | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat works for me | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and foo-1.1 will have a version dependency which is satisfiable on 1.1 | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | no offense freenode people | 18:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | and foo-1.2 will have a version dependency which is satisfiable on 1.2 | 18:57 |
| * RST38h does not see anything wrong with XChat connected to freenode | 18:57 | |
| RST38h | Looks ok to me | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it's not xchat | 18:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 18:57 | |
| MohammadAG | It's not xchat.. | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | it's which server you get connected to | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes it is xchat | 18:57 |
| RST38h | Could someone explan in layman terms what you mean by reregistering? | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, not really, on the other server I never get disconnected, on freenode I get disconnected at least once an hour | 18:58 |
| Mace_N900 | open marriage on house | 18:58 |
| Mace_N900 | lol | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, Ping timeouts/connections being reset by peers | 18:58 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Never seen that | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | you're just lucky | 18:58 |
| RST38h | And I am using EGPRS | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Oh - I was meaning it was xchat I was having no peoblems with. I have xchat on n900 and have never seen an unexplained timeout | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, ah kk, again it depends on the server you're on | 18:59 |
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| * lcukn900 does not see connection issues either | 18:59 | |
| MohammadAG | * Connecting to chat.freenode.net (213.92.8.4) port 8001... <-- atm I'm on this one | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: fair enough - however - I have never seen this - with maybe a few months of xchat-n900 use | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, well my connection does drop a packet or two, it could be because of it | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | (on a slightly related note, pingtest.net) | 19:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer asks for ~trout | 19:00 | |
| * lcuk supplies herring instead | 19:00 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, do that test if you're free | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | I got a B | 19:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer should install a clean OS, rather than using unchecked whatever Nokia repair Shop installed | 19:01 | |
| * timeless_mbp tries to figure out how to deal w/ this stupid dependency maze | 19:02 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer prepares an Aspirin sandwich | 19:02 | |
| lcuk | mmm crunchy | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pingtest.net/result/16021807.png | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | odds are they installed a kinky special debug OS, at repair shop | 19:05 |
| lcuk | nahhh DocScrutinizer if they put on a debug os and released it there would be a problem surely | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or at Nokia centarl repair | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I checked the version, looked good. But you never know | 19:06 |
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| lcuk | well, you would know | 19:07 |
| lcuk | or some would | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~spank DocScrutinizer | 19:07 |
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| * infobot bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks. | 19:07 | |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://www.pingtest.net/result/16022044.png | 19:07 |
| * lcuk throws a bar of chocolate @ aSIMULAtor | 19:07 | |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: yeah but I wasn't at home when it happened so it's not wlan-connected | 19:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Man, the kexec instructions for MeeGo on N900 are terrible. | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeeha, starting pingtest -> DocScrutinizer51 xchat relogin | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | man that's scary | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | * DocScrutinizer51 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | Freenode's kill messages aren't that accurate | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the pattern is: xchat missing ping response for >180sec -> starts to relogin | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: there is a 240s timeout on freenodes end now | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | It used to be 10 min, which I preferred | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to me it seems like xchat is *sleeping* and thus the timer for ping response times out. Then when I do whatever with the device (even moving it may sufice) xchat wakes up, notices timer expiry and reconnects/reauthenticates | 19:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: odd. I wonder if it could be a lan powersave thing | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I changed lan powersaving from max to medium -> no change | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | same issue am UMTS as well | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | odd | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I see odd ssh 'breaks' like ~60sec roundtrip time for a keystroke occasionally as well | 19:20 |
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| MohammadAG | lagometer is full here | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | never ever seen that. | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | I thought lagometer was disabled | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is lagometer. never seen that on xchat | 19:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I never see >500ms responses - even if it's been idle for hours | 19:21 |
| * Shapeshifter notices that the n900 display is hard to use using your nose. | 19:21 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, View > Network Meters > both | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | I demand a fix!!!!111 | 19:21 |
| * MohammadAG breaks Shapeshifter's nose | 19:21 | |
| MohammadAG | fixed? :P | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ouch | 19:21 |
| * lcuk punches Shapeshifter in the nose | 19:21 | |
| Shapeshifter | oy | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no diff | 19:22 |
| * MohammadAG punches Shapeshifter again, this time for the laughs | 19:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | going back to off | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | kk | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm on my PC and it's full to | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | too | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | give it a minute or so to calculate | 19:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 19:23 | |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/xXhq9KNP any ideas? | 19:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 waits | 19:24 | |
| javispedro | could not open display | 19:24 |
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| javispedro | & could not open d-bus | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | meaning? | 19:24 |
| javispedro | so, export DISPLAY=$XEPHYRDISPLAY, and run-standalone.sh | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | (sdk btw) | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | display's running | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 19:25 |
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| MohammadAG | run-standalone.sh got rid of the could not open bits http://pastebin.com/Ue5EFcNd | 19:26 |
| javispedro | is this a diablo program | 19:26 |
| javispedro | ? | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | now here no lagometer | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 19:26 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, if you are having problems with ssh also, its your connection and not the app surely | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems it doesn't work with mz particular layout of xchat | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51635 | 19:27 |
| javispedro | then dunno -- I do not know about pygtk | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: that's what I think as well | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, time for a new router? :) | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, do the pingtest test here (on your PC) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: did you try without WLAN PSM / powersaving? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you think te old one bitrot during N900 repair? | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | *sees backlog* Note that medium vs max is just a timer thing | 19:28 |
| javispedro | try disabled/none to see any difference | 19:29 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Is there anyuwhere to tweak powersave more? | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: wlan powersave I mean | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I think I tried that, with no result | 19:29 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: wext shows some tunnables | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway will check again | 19:30 |
| javispedro | the normal powersaving pipeline goes like | 19:30 |
| ptl | X-Fade: what is your most sincere opinion about the whole RC PR1.2 case? | 19:30 |
| javispedro | icd checks current network activity -> tells libicd-network-wlan (closed) -> tells via dbus wlancond --> tells kernel via wext | 19:31 |
| * lcuk what kind of spraypaint will work nicely on the bezel/back of my n900 | 19:31 | |
| lcuk | - /me | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: wext? | 19:31 |
| javispedro | iwconfig, iwpriv, ... | 19:31 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ah | 19:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I can see on/off powersave - I don't see more gradations. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: changed to 'none' | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | let's see | 19:32 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: yes.. | 19:32 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ah - iwconfig i/f power | 19:33 |
| Khertan | ptl, i think i didn't care actually :) as it s sunday | 19:33 |
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| javispedro | wlancond (the only opened component besides the kernel) is the one implementing the medium/max gradiation iirc | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Is there a way to read back the info? | 19:33 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks | 19:33 |
| Khertan | ptl, i mean it s sunday so probably not connected :) | 19:33 |
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| mikki-kun | is there actually a way to get a TTY open on the n900? | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | not just an xterm | 19:34 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I'm looking at it and MAX => short cam, MED => long cam. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: cam? | 19:35 |
| javispedro | no clue either. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | *clue here. | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: yes - you can get it on tty3 on the serial port ont he back reportedly | 19:36 |
| mikki-kun | serial port on the back? | 19:36 |
| mikki-kun | did i kind of miss a port? | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - it's under the battery - the gold pads | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | however - I don't have details of which is which. Also - these are 1.8V - so you'd need a voltage converter at least | 19:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I doubt it is a good idea to spraypaint n900 bezel | 19:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: the back cover should be paintable though | 19:38 |
| mikki-kun | meh, why does the n900 actually die if you take out the battery but have it in the wall? | 19:38 |
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| * javispedro knows of older devices that literally die if you remove the battery while charging | 19:39 | |
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| RST38h | mikki: power and charging circuitry decoupled and only connects throught he battery? | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | mehhh, bad solution imo | 19:39 |
| RST38h | and hello, javis | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no relogin of DocScrutinizer51 for the last 8 minutes ;-P | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | i mean, what if the battery is broken? | 19:40 |
| javispedro | so it is PSM | 19:40 |
| * RST38h would be happier if the word "solution" were only used in its original meaning | 19:40 | |
| RST38h | or two meanings, actually. | 19:40 |
| javispedro | ah, someone already bricked his n900 by updating =) | 19:41 |
| lcuk | RST38h, just need to identify them better! | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | javispedro: good or bad news? | 19:43 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: both are well identified in one ancient episode of DrWho | 19:44 |
| lcuk | mm? | 19:44 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Where the injured Doctor is going through his medkit: potion...potion...solution! He drinks the solution, and a wheelchair appears out of nowhere | 19:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders why DrWho never gained that popularity in Germany | 19:46 | |
| RST38h | Anyone knows anuthing about Ubuntu 10.04 and MaemSDK+? | 19:46 |
| RST38h | DocS: Was shown with the original English soundtrack? :) | 19:46 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, cos they are too busy idolising the hoff | 19:47 |
| RST38h | DocS: Most Germans could not understand the British humor or irony? :) | 19:47 |
| frals | RST38h: im running ubuntu 10.04 32bit and maemosdk here | 19:47 |
| Khertan | <javispedro> ah, someone already bricked his n900 by updating =) <<< i count 3 ... | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | frals: Yes but is it SB1 or SB2? | 19:47 |
| frals | no idea | 19:47 |
| RST38h | frals: I am using SB2 (can't stand SB1) and wondering if the upgrade will do me good | 19:47 |
| javispedro | Khertan: heh. | 19:48 |
| javispedro | no idea --> sb1 :) | 19:48 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:48 |
| Khertan | one from tmo | 19:48 |
| frals | scratchbox-core 1.0.16 | 19:48 |
| Khertan | and two from a french forum | 19:48 |
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| RST38h | ii scratchbox2 2.0-lta123 | 19:49 |
| RST38h | Khertan: schlemazels. | 19:49 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, :) | 19:49 |
| Khertan | but "stupids" is more appropriate ... using a leaked firmware ... | 19:50 |
| javispedro | see why we need international forums on tmo? :) | 19:50 |
| Chiku | someone try QT mobile weather? how to setup country? | 19:50 |
| Khertan | javispedro, :) | 19:50 |
| Khertan | Chiku, it s not just a demo ? | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Khertan: that is http://www.thefreedictionary.com/schlemiel | 19:51 |
| Chiku | there are 2 packages | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, for some weird reason N900 gets a new IP with virtually each new DHCP lease on my router. Usually the dhcp server tries to keep IP for a MAC | 19:52 |
| Khertan | depends on the dhcp server | 19:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if N900 is using random MACs for WLAN | 19:53 | |
| nid0 | router issue? mine tends to assign the same ip fine for my n900 | 19:53 |
| Khertan | lol nope | 19:53 |
| nid0 | even though i've now statically set it to do so | 19:53 |
| Khertan | the mac is always the same | 19:53 |
| * SpeedEvil should probably learn to work out how to setup dhcp. | 19:53 | |
| * SpeedEvil still just does static. | 19:53 | |
| nid0 | on a router, its usually a complex as ticking "enable"... | 19:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer will config a fixed MAC->IP for N900, on his router | 19:54 | |
| nid0 | thats what i ended up doing | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw still no ping-timeout :-D | 19:54 |
| Khertan | speedevil the best way to use dhcp is to do a : /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop | 19:54 |
| RST38h | DocS: There is an easy way around it | 19:54 |
| nid0 | it was almost always giving my device the same ip anyway tho :p | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | though that doesn't proove anything yet | 19:54 |
| RST38h | DocS: Lease IP for a long amount of time, you can usually set this in dhcp client | 19:54 |
| RST38h | DocS: And specifically tie your MAC to a static IP in the router settings | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: please can you use Doc: rather than DocS: | 19:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: Probably can, but only if you continue reminding :) | 19:55 |
| javispedro | I don't see the need for "fixed" DHCP allocations... just use static IP and a DNS caching proxy on the router (so the settings on every client are easy to remember) | 19:57 |
| javispedro | connecting is slightly faster this way, for a start. | 19:58 |
| nid0 | eh? how do client settings get any easier than just leaving them all to dhcp and setting any static addresses you need at the router end? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh to N900 tends to be an annoyance, with these everchanging IPs | 19:58 |
| javispedro | note "fixed DHCP". | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | ofc DHCP (or even private autoassignation) is easier. | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, use a better router firmware! | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the router has a "closed" OS (zyxel P660) and I have to live with what DHCP setup offers there | 20:00 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: here's a tip. D+Tab == DocScrutinizer | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Doc: I am using fixed IPs for every device in the house | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Shapeshifter: Thank you. It is not gonna work in IRCII | 20:01 |
| * RST38h cackles | 20:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm sharing my WLAN to some neighbours, so no way for a fixed-IP_only setup | 20:01 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: and why exactly would you be using ircii? | 20:01 |
| dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: I have installed avahi-daemon and now it's as easy as "ssh hostname.local" | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Because I like it? | 20:01 |
| dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: Installed to N900 | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Doc: You do not need to do this to EVERY client, just yours | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck avahi | 20:02 |
| javispedro | hey | 20:02 |
| dottedmag | lol | 20:02 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: imainge someone typing in your name everytime | 20:02 |
| javispedro | avahi's not that bad. | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway I doubt my router knows avahi at all | 20:02 |
| dottedmag | lol*2 | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Shape: Do I care? | 20:02 |
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| dottedmag | DocScrutinizer: no you ever know how does it work? | 20:02 |
| dottedmag | *do | 20:02 |
| Shapeshifter | Arr Ess Tee Thirtyeight eytch | 20:03 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638718 | 20:03 |
| javispedro | more, more! | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: can you not tell your dhcpd to keep off some IPs? | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly, but I'm sure I need some other avahi-aware devices in my network if I want avahi on N900 to work | 20:03 |
| dottedmag | haha | 20:03 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: think of avahi as "distributed DNS service". | 20:04 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: each avahi client will known each other avahi client names. | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, my friend started using a minimac with fsckng avahi in my WLAN. maybe this caused all the trouble | 20:04 |
| dottedmag | javispedro: s/avahi/Zeroconf/ even | 20:04 |
| javispedro | avahi == zeroconf == mdns == bonjour for me | 20:04 |
| * RST38h watched javispedro pray to the Tentacled One | 20:05 | |
| dottedmag | javispedro: well, there's non-avahi implementation of Zeroconf from Apple to be precise :-P | 20:05 |
| javispedro | same idea, same concept. | 20:05 |
| dottedmag | Same protocol, I'd say. | 20:06 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I'm sure the tentacled one will enjoy festing upon them. | 20:06 |
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| javispedro | I do not have his phone number to ask though =) | 20:06 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Looks like he is already getting some action | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, I'm not going to add further layers of complexity over a simple concept like DHCP, to cover any problems that arised out of nowhere | 20:07 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Static IPs should be sufficient | 20:08 |
| RST38h | If you do not want to assign static IPs to your devices, nothing stops you from continual suffering, we will understand :) | 20:08 |
| nid0 | much as I hate to be a bastard, I do find the people now panicing over their dead phones following 1.2 upgrades then downgrading to 1.1.1 rather funny | 20:08 |
| javispedro | ++ :) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: and that's roundabout what I'm going to config | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: ++ | 20:09 |
| javispedro | the worst part is that fatalsaint is right in that thread :) | 20:10 |
| javispedro | "I like how people will trust a random new account whose first post is to post a chinese link with a "supposed" leaked firmware enough to risk their phones by flashing it.... | 20:10 |
| javispedro | But when a long standing member of the community puts up a simple warning he's discarded outright. Pure genious. " | 20:10 |
| javispedro | (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638734&postcount=15) | 20:10 |
| javispedro | ah, the people. | 20:10 |
| nid0 | well in fairness it has turned out that the leaked firmware is legit enough | 20:10 |
| javispedro | "legit enough?" | 20:10 |
| nid0 | its just none of the eagre beavers bothered to check whether it updates the cellular modem and prevents downgrades | 20:11 |
| nid0 | and its not like that hasnt happened before. | 20:11 |
| microlith | which package does that? | 20:11 |
| nid0 | "legit enough" as in it actually is a firmware image and one that works, rather than just a hoax, it's just that much like 1.1 it upgrades the modem firmware as well | 20:11 |
| * lbt gives in and looks at pmo | 20:12 | |
| javispedro | ready, smile, and dive in! | 20:12 |
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| kthomas_vh | anyone know where to find an ovi maps distro for maemo? | 20:12 |
| javispedro | ah, now someone is suggesting reflashing the emmc! | 20:13 |
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| javispedro | which will do wonders considering that on pr1.2 some system stuff is copied to /opt on first boot! | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: are those 1.2phones really bricked? | 20:13 |
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| nid0 | well theyre not bricked, theyll carry on working on 1.1.1 with no cell modem, or work on 1.2 | 20:14 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they will either have to live with pr1.2 or accept temporary loss of phone functionality. not bricked. | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough ;-P | 20:14 |
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| nid0 | afaik after people moaned about the 1.1 issue along the same lines, someone did figure out a method of downgrading the cell modem firmware though | 20:15 |
| nid0 | if my memory isnt making that up and it actually worked, the same probably would again | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | nid0: IIRC, didn't they downgrade to PR1.0 and then upgrade one or two bits manually to PR1.1 | 20:15 |
| Jaffa | ? | 20:15 |
| nid0 | possibly, I just remember there was talk of a workaround that would let 1.0 phones work properly after having the cell firmware upgraded | 20:16 |
| nid0 | whether it was by upgrading parts of 1.0 individually to work with the firmware, or by finding a way to downgrade the firmware itself, I wouldnt know for sure | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | well it's quite simple: downgrade to last image containing a modem firmware, then from there upgrade to whatever you want to live with | 20:17 |
| javispedro | the issue is that the chipset will not accept older firmwares afaiu | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously downgrading from a FW-image to a non-FW one doesn't work | 20:17 |
| nid0 | I dont think reflashing to an image with an older modem firmware will overwrite the newer firmware | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's odd | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's your usual anti-cracking protection. | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's *ODD* and *BAD* | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway such a pattern usually is implemented in the firmware itself, so you can 'upgrade' to a FW that doesn't forbid downgrading | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or you force the modem to use the ROM resident bootstrap flasher rather than the 'OS'-based one | 20:21 |
| javispedro | btw | 20:21 |
| javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17727 | 20:21 |
| javispedro | the older thread where qwerty12 installed diablo from the official nokia repos | 20:21 |
| javispedro | (before the official release, I mean) | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | just to compare reactions =) | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | at least back the local hildon guru was the first to try it :) | 20:23 |
| javispedro | *then. | 20:23 |
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| wazd | ~seen qwerty12 | 20:24 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 149d 23h 45s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | (downgrading modem firmware) what's the supposed recovery path for a borked modem FW flash? | 20:24 |
| wazd | mythical person indeed :D | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeeha | 20:25 |
| javispedro | heh | 20:25 |
| javispedro | so it's not psm? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not | 20:25 |
| javispedro | well bad news, cause you now seemingly have a bad hw? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | will reflash from scratch | 20:26 |
| wazd | javispedro: DrNokSnes works brilliant on n900 btw :) | 20:26 |
| javispedro | wazd: thanks :) | 20:26 |
| * javispedro cackles while reading that thread and watching some people think that maemo 5 would run on "three devices" (n800, n810, n810+1) | 20:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG 78 pages | 20:28 |
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| FIQ | lol @ leaked PR1.2 | 20:31 |
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| hrw|gone | GeneralAntilles: 21:50 < GeneralAntilles> Hrm, hrw needs to be offered a cloak. | 20:31 |
| hrw|gone | GeneralAntilles: ? | 20:31 |
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| GAN900 | hrw, you want a Maemo/community/contributor/hrw cloak? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart DocScrutinizer51 | 20:38 |
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| hrw | GAN900: no, I do not want it | 20:41 |
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| hrw | GAN900: but I appreciate offer | 20:42 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 goes back to WLAN powersave = max | 20:42 | |
| hrw | GAN900: I thought about cloaks for freenode few years ago but decided against them. those who know me know that I contribute(d) to maemo, openembedded, opie, gpe, openmoko etc so why limit to one cloak | 20:43 |
| hrw | bye | 20:43 |
| GAN900 | hrw, OK | 20:43 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. when I try to ssh -X onto my n900 with DISPLAY set to :2.0 (my Xephyr window), Xephyr segfaults upon connecting. That's odd. | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I really doubt occasional packet-loss or app-freeze or whatever causes the xchat ping-timeouts could be a hw issue at all | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyone to explain to me the quit-msg reason meanings? | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (Client Quit). (Quit: Leaving.). (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). (Disconnected by services). (Read error: Connection reset by peer). | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: does other stuff do it? | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | connection reset by peer may mean 'peer went away' | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: err, do what? | 20:51 |
| trumee | so leaked firmware does render phone useless. crap | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean - can you set a laptop to the same as the n900... | 20:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer seems really stupid today | 20:52 | |
| trumee | strange that phone modem firmware cannot be degraded | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: read irclog of last ~3h | 20:53 |
| trumee | tmo was exciting today. atleast some people had some joy in the long weekend | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: grep 'modem' | 20:53 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: cheers | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/computersecurity/2005-09-20-keystrokes-passwords_x.htm?loc=interstitialskip | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I just realised. | 20:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | This would be _really_ cool | 20:53 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: so the verdict is, its not good? | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | If you could do it with the mic | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Pick up a random keyboard, do some calibration - and just have it work - with no connection at all. | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638734&postcount=15 | 20:55 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: not a good outcome | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: eavesdrop kbd by keypress unique sounds? | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: or rather - use keyboard without wired or wireless connection. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is basically the same | 20:57 |
| trumee | i have never used an iphone, but this it have an auto correcting dictionary? | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - however eavesdrop means generally covert. This would be intended by the user | 20:57 |
| trumee | typing on small keyboard makes me do spelling mistakes | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes. But my background is generally more of the dark side | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: I'm gettin ~30wpm on the hw keyboard - after taking corrections into account | 20:58 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i need much more practice :) | 20:59 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, did you ever take a speed test on your 900? | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: My laptop broke for a week | 20:59 |
| lcuk | you type faster on a handheld than anyone i know | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: So I used it for a week | 20:59 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: do u keep capitals and auto space enabled? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're aware of the plenty different ways to eavesdrop on kbds, monitors, dunno what, by catching their EM radiation and decoding it? | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: no | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; however - the n900 doesn't have a means of doing that - it does have amic. | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - and bluetooth - and maybe a USB host port, but...) | 21:00 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: i disabled them today. didnt like the fact that it worked in some applications only. | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | trumee: that's annoying, yes | 21:01 |
| trumee | maps.google.com and gmail.com standard mode are slow on N900 :( | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | acoustic monitoring/eavesdropping of a kbd is highly prone to errors, and also needs quite some CPU grunt | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a mic much better than what we got on N900 | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g you'd be interested in 2Hz..200KHz | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | less noise | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka beter S7N | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | better S/N | 21:03 |
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| wazd | trumee: gmail? slow? | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: how's the n900 so far or did you deliver it ahead already? | 21:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: no, still playing with it :) | 21:09 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: pretty awesome device, like it almost any way :) | 21:10 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: mediaplayer sucks a bit though | 21:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | hey | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | pakistan taliban -> idiots | 21:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | mohammadag hey | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm quite fond of it, as in, technically, UI wise... no | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:10 |
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| ZogG_N900 | docscruitinizer? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N900: london times square | 21:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | oh | 21:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | are u from uk? | 21:11 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: well, it's a bit tricky to try to switch the track in landscape mode while walking on a $1k device :D | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 21:11 |
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| ZogG_N900 | ur nick is shouting that u r german | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | really? hmmm | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: there used to be some shake-to-switch thin | 21:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | anyone know where sdk gui installer downloading scratchbox files? | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | g | 21:12 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i can't get it cause of proxy but have on laptop | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm kinda amazed by sygic for instance, it paused my music while giving turn-by-turn voice directions :P | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | and turned it back on again afterwards | 21:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heh :) | 21:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | it sucks it doesn't have israel in maps | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, go petition your country to make your road map data fre | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | e | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'd rm -rf it on their server if it didn't | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | or less costy | 21:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm surprised that there are no portrait media player for n900 yet | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i'm amazed there's not that many alternative ones | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazd: use typefont CC90 | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 21:15 |
| lcuk | wazd, ukmp is portrait - has been since before n900 shipped, konttori put it in and we all said it was the wrong way round | 21:15 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: but anyways, browser is superb, speed is amazing, stability is really good :) | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, in open source tihngs dont go missing, shake2control should still be around | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it is | 21:18 |
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| javispedro | wazd: ah, now I see why you were mentioning drnok =) enjoy! | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, hi | 21:18 |
| wazd | javispedro: :P | 21:18 |
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| * javispedro didn't know :P | 21:18 | |
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| lcuk | wazd, how did you do in the competition | 21:20 |
| wazd | lcuk: we've lost, thanks :D | 21:21 |
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| lcuk | bah pissy judges dont know quality when it slaps em in face! | 21:21 |
| lcuk | you enjoyed it at fruct? | 21:21 |
| wazd | lcuk: teah, very muck in fact | 21:22 |
| wazd | much* | 21:22 |
| lcuk | is it your first one? | 21:22 |
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| wazd | it was a local Summit for me :) | 21:22 |
| wazd | lcuk: nope | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | yeah i bet, cool | 21:22 |
| wazd | *but* | 21:22 |
| wazd | I got one more fact that if Nokia wants to give someone a device - it gives no matter what :D | 21:23 |
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| lcuk | well even apple cant stop devices falling into the wrong hands | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for OT: what's been the command to enable/block join/quit-msgs? | 21:23 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i dunno last time i needed one of those was years ago | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, have you been through the settigns | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: same here, thanks to GUI ;-P | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | wazd, who got one that surprised you then | 21:25 |
| wazd | lcuk: I can tell you who didn't get one and that surprised me :) | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas in Kontact you neither can switch the join/quit msgs on a per-chan-basis, nor is there a way to have a convenient shortcut in toolbar or whatever | 21:27 |
| lcuk | well wazd ive been surprised you have been without one for so long :) | 21:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: basically I'm still without it | 21:27 |
| wazd | lcuk: that's not mine actually | 21:28 |
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| lcuk | g/me goes rolling on the couch after massive tea anyway | 21:28 |
| lcuk | -g | 21:28 |
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| wazd | but I was talking bout javispedro anyways :) | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? | 21:29 |
| javispedro | that's what I say too: huh? | 21:30 |
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| wazd | javispedro: well, you were far from the first row to get the device | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Suppose someone updates to PR1.2, the modem is also upgraded, if that person goes down to 1.1.1, and reflashes the CMT, would it work? | 21:31 |
| * MohammadAG guesses not | 21:31 | |
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| lcuk | wazd, huh indeed | 21:31 |
| javispedro | because first (or second) row was in amsterdam | 21:31 |
| sandstorm | I suspect my battery is getting drained too fast, how can I examine the source, btw I use a screen film on my device hope it does not arbitrarily activate proximity sensor while it is off or on. | 21:31 |
| nid0 | it may well be, some do | 21:32 |
| nid0 | how fast is fast, anyway | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: reflashes CMT? | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, GSM firmware | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: 1) use powertop 2) nope | 21:33 |
| javispedro | wazd: btw I have DDP device | 21:34 |
| sandstorm | DocScrutinizer: thanks for enlightenment I am on powertop atm | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, reason I'm asking is | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | @SimonLR | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | 21:34 | |
| MohammadAG | @MohammadAG Because you can extract the CMT package from PR1.1.1 and flash it onto a RC1.2 device to overwrite the tertiarty GSM firmware. | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | sorry about the 3 lines | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-05-02 19:17:29] <javispedro> the issue is that the chipset will not accept older firmwares afaiu | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-05-02 19:17:44] <nid0> I dont think reflashing to an image with an older modem firmware will overwrite the newer firmware | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | ty again | 21:35 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, it's really nice that your country is not god forsaken land like mine :) | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, mind if I quote that? | 21:35 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: note the "afaiu" -- I'm not sure. | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, well, FIASCO images have the CMT image in them | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | and I flashed 1.0 after 1.1.1 (to extract some files) and the SIM wasn't recognized | 21:36 |
| javispedro | wazd: and I still have to wonder why.. | 21:36 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: so feel free to quote your own experience then =) | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I did, he didn't like it :P | 21:37 |
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| Tuukka | aaah, many entertaining threats in talk. This day has been really enjoyable :D | 21:37 |
| ZogG_N900 | hm sometimes tab combination stops to work | 21:38 |
| ZogG_N900 | i mean fn+backspace | 21:38 |
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| Treibholz | ZogG: try ctrl-i | 21:39 |
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| sandstorm | how can I figure out what caused a system lock up last time I was doing something just before I removed the battery and do a hard reset? | 21:40 |
| wall[e] | does wiki.maemo.org have a policy for non-english page? | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: no way | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | cat /proc/bootreason if the shutdown wasn't forced, but you removed the battery so... | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | ^ | 21:40 |
| sandstorm | thanks | 21:40 |
| sandstorm | I thought something like syslogd can help me | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: it would, if you actually have one | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | why did you pull the battery out? holding the power button should shut it down | 21:41 |
| sandstorm | it did not shut the device down | 21:41 |
| sandstorm | I hold it down and it only turned off the screen | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | and when I press it again | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | it turned on the screen | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | just as it was | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | that was weird | 21:42 |
| lcuk | sandstorm, what were you doing, what strain was the device under? | 21:42 |
| nid0 | heh, at least some of the 1.2 upgraders are realising their mistake..... | 21:42 |
| nid0 | na lol i feel like a dick. ye this thread is a warning | 21:42 |
| nid0 | DONT FLASH with leaked 1.2 | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | I was installing mclock on app manager and also was running battery eye app, nothing else. | 21:42 |
| sandstorm | app manager was in background | 21:42 |
| lcuk | then try same again | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | ok | 21:43 |
| lcuk | and if it works ok, forget about it | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | hold on pls | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | if it works some kinda deadlock ? | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | occured on that time | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | I guess | 21:43 |
| lcuk | theres not a lot you can do again in postmortom really if you gave up etc | 21:43 |
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| lcuk | if its reproducable its easier to work out | 21:43 |
| Macer | wow | 21:43 |
| sandstorm | ok working on it | 21:44 |
| Macer | is there a way to lower the quality of the video? | 21:44 |
| Macer | 5 mins @ 180MB seems a little steep for h264 | 21:44 |
| freehawaii | I am attempting to mount the root jffs2 image | 21:44 |
| freehawaii | Is there anybody available for a quick brain pick? | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if it's reproducable then it's friggin easy to work out. Just have a remote terminal open, with a root account on higer prio | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | yup DocScrutinizer | 21:46 |
| hrw|gone | can someone with pr1.2 show /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* files? | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | her IS NOBODY with PR1.2 | 21:46 |
| freehawaii | RC1.2 | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as everybody here knows pr1.2 will fuck up your modem ;-P | 21:47 |
| b-man | hrw|gone, look at the end of this channel's title ;) | 21:47 |
| sandstorm | lcuk: could not reproduce the issue but the state was it was my very first time running battery eye while mclock was installing in background, also noticed that mclock gives a notification and requires acceptance during installation, maybe that screen somehow could not popup while running battery eye for the very first time(initiating databases etc?) | 21:47 |
| frals | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/fmms] > cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* from pr1.2 sdk | 21:47 |
| hrw|gone | b-man: I see only first ~100 chars | 21:47 |
| frals | (tis empty) | 21:47 |
| lcuk | yeah sandstorm possible, have a hunt and see if theres any similar reports | 21:48 |
| b-man | "NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked" | 21:48 |
| hrw|gone | ah. | 21:48 |
| hrw|gone | ~pr1.2 | 21:48 |
| infobot | pr1.2 is, like, not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 21:48 |
| b-man | LOL | 21:48 |
| sandstorm | I am on it | 21:48 |
| hrw|gone | I am still with 12 November bet | 21:48 |
| Macer | hm | 21:48 |
| Macer | looks like i'm pretty much stuck with the quality it gives you for video huh? | 21:48 |
| Macer | :) | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, isn't there an option to lower quality? | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | I don't use the cam to record video much | 21:49 |
| lcuk | the video from n900 is really crisp | 21:50 |
| lcuk | i love the quality of its macro recording | 21:50 |
| sandstorm | do I need to install powertop on maemo ? | 21:50 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i am looking for it | 21:50 |
| Macer | but so far i'm not seeing one unless it is somewhere else | 21:50 |
| sandstorm | I mean is it already installed or I guess not | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: yes | 21:51 |
| SpeedEvil | sandstorm: not | 21:51 |
| Macer | i have a 5 min video that wound up being like 180MB.. that's a little too high | 21:51 |
| Macer | lcuk: yeah. it is very nice video :) | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: err, no | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | ffmpeg -i videoin videoout | 21:51 |
| Macer | i'm updating to lucid on my macbook | 21:51 |
| Macer | heh | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | should lower it from 180 to 12, and cripple quality big time | 21:51 |
| sandstorm | oh ok, should I apt-get it or does app manager see it somewhere | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sandstorm: exactly | 21:51 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i don't want to be forced to re-encode the video | 21:51 |
| Macer | i want to just lower the video bitrate a bit | 21:52 |
| Proteous | ... | 21:52 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, ffmpeg takes 10 seconds to do that | 21:52 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: but that is a redundant step :) | 21:52 |
| lcuk | not on device it doesnt MohammadAG | 21:52 |
| Macer | i hate redundancy | 21:52 |
| Macer | like having to run a debian chroot for an office app heh | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, is ffmpeg available on device? | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | as an encoder | 21:52 |
| lcuk | i dunno, you are the youthful geezer who can run around the web looking :p | 21:53 |
| Macer | speaking of which. i was going to give the bt keyboard a test run in openoffice | 21:53 |
| * lcuk is an old fart | 21:53 | |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 21:53 |
| rlinfati | if a found a bug on leaked pr1.2.... i can report on bugzilla ? ( maemo extras app ) | 21:53 |
| * frals slaps lcuk with a trout, take that old fart! | 21:53 | |
| Macer | leaked pr1.2? :) heh. that doesn't sound like a good thing | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | no, you can't, chances are it got fixed in the 4 weeks that got missed | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: ülease stop telling utter nonsense | 21:53 |
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| * MohammadAG begs DocScrutinizer to adjust the title | 21:54 | |
| MohammadAG | s/title/topic | 21:54 |
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| frals | bah, need to write a parser to backup everything from a specific gconfkey | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: suggestion? | 21:54 |
| Macer | frals: use a bt keyboard and vi | 21:54 |
| Macer | haha | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | can't find a word for it :P | 21:54 |
| Proteous | IT'S A TRAP! | 21:54 |
| Macer | am i going crazy or is vim a 6MB pkg? :) | 21:55 |
| Proteous | crazy | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | Talking about 1.2 prohibited, saying anything about 1.2 will get you kicked? | 21:55 |
| b-man | i prefer nano over vi | 21:55 |
| * Macer looks for the qt gui | 21:55 | |
| lcuk | Macer, isnt vim an entire operating system? | 21:55 |
| Macer | lcuk: haha | 21:55 |
| Tuukka | Macer, vi is ugly leafpad ftw | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: too strict | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | GUI ftl | 21:55 |
| Macer | :) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | 1.2 leaks then :) | 21:55 |
| Macer | i don't mind vi that much. and vim is ok | 21:55 |
| frals | Macer: i have actually coded on vi on device | 21:56 |
| b-man | console ftw :DD | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: too long :-P | 21:56 |
| Macer | but i don't see how vim justifies itself being at a 6MB pkg heh | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | Talking about 1.2 leaks will get you kicked | 21:56 |
| lcuk | 6mb isnt that big | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | Twitter has its uses ^ | 21:56 |
| Macer | lcuk: how big is vi? | 21:56 |
| Macer | :) | 21:56 |
| lcuk | 2 characters | 21:56 |
| frals | lol | 21:56 |
| lcuk | the m is the kicker | 21:56 |
| b-man | rofl | 21:56 |
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| Macer | ahha | 21:57 |
| javispedro | "I was shocked when I found out that a SNES emulator didn't emulate NES!" Shocking! | 21:57 |
| hrw|gone | author of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638289&postcount=719 is funny | 21:57 |
| Macer | javispedro: hahahaha | 21:57 |
| summel | how is 1.2 a leak? i thought it got released in hong kong? oO | 21:57 |
| Goliath23 | hi | 21:57 |
| Macer | summel: hahahaha! no.. that is the knockoff release | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638734&postcount=15 | 21:57 |
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| Scelt | http://www.blogsdna.com/9814/nokia-n900-firmware-update-pr-1-2-leaked.htm | 21:58 |
| Macer | like the old punch-out game where you had to fight the white guy instead of mike tyson | 21:58 |
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| summel | well they should release it anyways | 21:58 |
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| frals | ... | 21:58 |
| summel | io guess i could sue them xD | 21:58 |
| frals | yes try that, please | 21:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks scelt | 21:58 | |
| Macer | i read an awesome blog about how opensource stuff creates frustration unlike apple who waits until products are done before they announce them :) | 21:58 |
| * MohammadAG gets popcorn and passes it to frals | 21:58 | |
| Macer | +1 for the iphone i suppose | 21:58 |
| wall[e] | i think xo-3 looks nice | 21:59 |
| summel | ewww | 21:59 |
| wall[e] | olpc | 21:59 |
| summel | *slaps Macer* | 21:59 |
| wall[e] | (concepts) | 21:59 |
| Macer | :) | 21:59 |
| * frals takes the popcorn and runs off to code instead of reading all the bs around the leaked bs | 21:59 | |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: ? anyone googling "nokia pr 1.2" would see that as the third result. no big secret there | 21:59 |
| Macer | frals: hahaha | 21:59 |
| javispedro | Macer: I read that too and think that they're completely right | 21:59 |
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| * MohammadAG runs after frals with a trout | 21:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638734&postcount=15 also no big secret | 21:59 |
| javispedro | now comes the part where I prefer the frustation instead of the surprises.. | 21:59 |
| wall[e] | looking for white paper they uses to design the system | 21:59 |
| wall[e] | used | 21:59 |
| Macer | javispedro: well.. that's the curse of opensource.. not to mention the frustration when they realize there is no true official support other than community support and wind up finding a billion bugs | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Scelt: and of course the chan topic is no secret | 22:00 |
| Macer | nokia is simply outsourcing | 22:00 |
| Macer | :) | 22:00 |
| Macer | for free | 22:00 |
| Macer | heh | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | Macer: not really -- I don't believe in the bazaar model much. | 22:01 |
| lcuk | javispedro, you are in it | 22:02 |
| javispedro | they get something ofc, but not that much to be called "outsourcing". | 22:02 |
| Goliath23 | anyone using the nokia qt sdk yet? I try to use the simulator, but I only get the message "The program has unexpectedly finished" | 22:02 |
| Macer | javispedro: i dunno. seems like outsourcing to me :) | 22:02 |
| Macer | outsourcing at no cost to themselves | 22:02 |
| Macer | awesome business model | 22:02 |
| javispedro | lcuk: we're also both on a much larger much more cathedral-like one (maemo itself) | 22:03 |
| Goliath23 | when I start the executable in the simulation-build working directory, it starts the simulator but it doesnt react on clicks or anything... | 22:03 |
| mikki-kun | hm, where is the data of the google-widget? | 22:03 |
| Goliath23 | (linux 64bit btw.) | 22:03 |
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| Macer | it is cheaper to let a hobbyist do their job for them then to pay some real non-3rd world country coder the $80K/yr to make it for them :) | 22:03 |
| mikki-kun | i'd like to change the webaddress of it, so it points to www.google.com and not some mobile version of it | 22:03 |
| Macer | you don't think they actually opensource stuff just because they're "all about the community" do you? nokia is like any other business... all about money :) | 22:03 |
| javispedro | Macer: the hobbyst won't do the 99th iteration of the note pad app. the 3rd world country coder for money will! | 22:04 |
| lcuk | javispedro, do not underestimate just how many "notepad" applications there are in linux | 22:04 |
| javispedro | (the feature-less builtin notepad app -- you can ofc find loads of more complex and more specific note taking apps) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | its almost as many as hello world | 22:04 |
| lcuk | and media players | 22:04 |
| Macer | i think i saw like 10 in the current maemo 5 repos.. :) | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 99th iteration of an app? | 22:05 |
| * SpeedEvil points at frals. | 22:05 | |
| Macer | but no nano :( | 22:05 |
| * frals looks around | 22:05 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, frals past 99 on his first day | 22:05 |
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| Macer | the hard line is opensource, the bottom line is cash :) | 22:06 |
| javispedro | heh | 22:06 |
| Macer | money unspent is profit | 22:06 |
| Macer | coders cost | 22:06 |
| Macer | create a following and exploit it. i think they took that lesson from religion :) | 22:07 |
| Macer | which is why i love nokia haha | 22:07 |
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| javispedro | so where didn't they spent money? | 22:07 |
| Macer | javispedro: they didn't have to pay their own in house coder to make a notepad app ;) | 22:07 |
| javispedro | oh, they did. | 22:07 |
| javispedro | osso-notes is closed :) | 22:07 |
| PerfDave | Thing about free software is that it allows other people to make the same money too though. | 22:08 |
| Macer | LOL | 22:08 |
| Macer | touche | 22:08 |
| Macer | PerfDave: personally i think the opensource stuff helps more on a resume than the pocket | 22:08 |
| javispedro | they didn't have to develop all the hard parts from a UI toolkit... | 22:08 |
| sandstorm | as far as I've read, there should be a Nokia powertop version which had came with N900 original firmware but I cannot find it at the moment. | 22:08 |
| Macer | who wouldn't want to hire the guy who made vi? :) | 22:08 |
| * MohammadAG raises hand | 22:09 | |
| javispedro | (but third parties usually just license a UI toolkit and are done with it) | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 22:09 |
| Macer | because if they did it for free.. imagine what they would make for money | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | vi kinda sucks | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | vim, on the other hand... | 22:09 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: i'm sure it didn't suck when it came out | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | Macer: meh, if it was vi vs WordStar, I'd probably go for the latter | 22:10 |
| frals | Macer: quite a difference coding for money and coding for fun - i'd imagine | 22:10 |
| Macer | frals: probably | 22:10 |
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| Treibholz | coding for fun is coding for perfection, coding for money is getting it done ASAP. | 22:10 |
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| korhojoa | Any of you guys done any assembler coding for ARM ? | 22:11 |
| Macer | i would suspect the largest difference is when you are not a project leader | 22:11 |
| korhojoa | oh, where's PR1.2 ? | 22:11 |
| * korhojoa awaits | 22:11 | |
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| Macer | whereas when making your own stuff you are the project leader | 22:11 |
| Macer | but then again you have limited time and resources | 22:11 |
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| chem|st | korhojoa: I wanna get payed to touch assembler again | 22:11 |
| javispedro | Treibholz: coding for fun is usually coding for your own definition of perfection. | 22:12 |
| Macer | anyways. going to make a pizza and relax. it's sunday. | 22:12 |
| javispedro | a lot of times, it doesn't align well with commercial interests. | 22:12 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: yes. | 22:12 |
| javispedro | (but sometimes it does! enjoy those!) | 22:12 |
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| wall[e] | you should kick user including a reason in the kicking message | 22:13 |
| korhojoa | :D | 22:13 |
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| wall[e] | or that was just for fun | 22:14 |
| javispedro | pr1.2 is old already. when is pr1.3 going to be released? | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | pfft | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | pr1.3 | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | screw that | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | I want pr1.5 | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | NOW | 22:15 |
| * Treibholz wants HURD with e17 on his n900 | 22:15 | |
| wall[e] | any attempt on porting l4? | 22:16 |
| * wall[e] googles | 22:16 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, damnit, is it Sunday again? :P | 22:16 |
| shinkamui | so what ever came of that thread of the 1.2 hong kong fw | 22:16 |
| shinkamui | fake? | 22:16 |
| Treibholz | wall[e]: "recent" HURD versions of HURD still runn on MACH | 22:16 |
| * Shapeshifter wants nokia to release duke nukem forever for maemo 5 for free please kthx | 22:16 | |
| luke-jr | Treibholz: not happening | 22:16 |
| chem|st | shinkamui: 20+ days old RC | 22:16 |
| shinkamui | oh | 22:16 |
| Treibholz | luke-jr: don't destroy my dreams! | 22:16 |
| shinkamui | lamesauce | 22:17 |
| wall[e] | Treibholz, yeh, but i want l4 not hurd :) | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | Treibholz: next time buy a device that can run a free OS | 22:17 |
| ZogG_N900 | so anyone here know bug when call ended music starts to play? | 22:17 |
| shinkamui | yea | 22:17 |
| ZogG_N900 | is it fixed in pr1.2? | 22:17 |
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| shinkamui | my podcasts randomly start | 22:17 |
| shinkamui | :) | 22:17 |
| Treibholz | luke-jr: you mean x86-based? | 22:17 |
| chem|st | ZogG_N900: I got that and its funny | 22:18 |
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| wall[e] | hurd should be running over linux with some extensions? | 22:18 |
| ZogG_N900 | chem|st, not relly. teacher shoutetmat me at colledge | 22:18 |
| chem|st | ZogG_N900: bugs.maemo.org will tell you that | 22:18 |
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| wall[e] | n900 can't run any kernel? | 22:19 |
| chem|st | ZogG_N900: I got more serious stuff to worry about than a teacher yelling at me | 22:19 |
| wall[e] | i thought custom module is allowed | 22:19 |
| arachnist | wall[e]: WTF? | 22:19 |
| arachnist | wall[e]: HURD is HURD, linux is linux | 22:19 |
| Treibholz | wall[e]: I'm sure someone is porting netbsd.... | 22:19 |
| wall[e] | arachnist, hurd isn't a kernel | 22:20 |
| arachnist | wall[e]: HURD has virtually no hardware support | 22:20 |
| arachnist | wall[e]: oh, really? | 22:20 |
| wall[e] | more like process threads running around a kernel | 22:20 |
| chem|st | HURD will be ready for release, next year | 22:20 |
| Treibholz | arachnist: you can run linux on top of windows... | 22:20 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: you can run windows on top of linux | 22:20 |
| wall[e] | linux has similar kernel threads implemented | 22:20 |
| hrw|gone | ~hail MTD and NANDSIM | 22:20 |
| * infobot bows down to MTD and NANDSIM and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 22:20 | |
| Treibholz | chem|st: not without virtualisation! | 22:20 |
| hrw|gone | I have pr1.2rc in /mnt/ on my desktop | 22:21 |
| hrw|gone | time to hack | 22:21 |
| arachnist | wall[e]: still, HURD is a kernel of its own | 22:21 |
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| Treibholz | chem|st: but linux was ported to windows -> colinux | 22:21 |
| wall[e] | arachnist, nah, its kernel is mach | 22:21 |
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| chem|st | Treibholz: wine project does a pretty good job | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | Treibholz: or MIPS... or ARM if you don't need 3D | 22:22 |
| wall[e] | arachnist, or l4 | 22:23 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: the hardware interfaces are not documneted, so propritary drivquired | 22:23 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: thats like... artificial honey | 22:23 |
| wall[e] | very experiment though | 22:23 |
| luke-jr | drivers are required* | 22:23 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: y[]p | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, LOL 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 23.8653 s, 90.0 MB/s | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | on my PC ^ | 22:23 |
| korhojoa | to where? | 22:23 |
| korhojoa | HD to HD ? | 22:23 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, I see the point, i think it's similar to nvidia driver though | 22:24 |
| chem|st | why the hell has mmc1 10+ threats per second? | 22:24 |
| wall[e] | still, you can have a kernel sit on a linux kernel w/o much header | 22:24 |
| wall[e] | i think someone actually have hurd running over linux | 22:24 |
| wall[e] | long time ago | 22:24 |
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| ZogG_N900 | chem|st, oh. you are cool. me sucks, sorry (i hope that will cheer up your ego and leave the "whose penis is longer" conversation behind) | 22:25 |
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| wall[e] | (not that i like the nvidia driver idea, i am a fs zealot) | 22:26 |
| wall[e] | (that needs a gf) | 22:26 |
| chem|st | ZogG_N900: back in school I got expelled for stuff like that now the room goes quiet when I answer the phone | 22:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638967 | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love that thread. | 22:28 |
| chem|st | ZogG_N900: was not to offend you ;) I have laugh when ppl forget to turn their phone of, was like sports to call ppl while in class to check if they forgot to turn it off | 22:29 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: the whole point of HURD is that it's not Linux | 22:29 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, I think they are 2 separated thing. sure large part of linux do what hurd are | 22:30 |
| * GAN900 notes Summer is officially here in Florida. | 22:30 | |
| chem|st | luke-jr: thought it was that it's release date is fixed... "Next Year" | 22:30 |
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| wall[e] | luke-jr, but I dont want hurd, not that i like the concept, just too much involved with linux | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: HURD and Linux are like ext3 and reiserfs | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | they are two separate programs that do the same thing | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | exclusive to each other | 22:31 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, you can sit hurd on linux, but can you sit ext3 on reiserfs? | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | most people who use a Linux-based OS would never notice the difference if it was replaced with HURD | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: no to both | 22:32 |
| Dima202 | Can someone please explain to me why new cell module firmware is not downgradeable is this Nokia's plan to control what firmware you want to use? | 22:32 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, yes they would. | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | if you're using Linux, you're not using HURD | 22:32 |
| freehawaii | GNU/HURD is ridiculously different than GNU/Linux | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: The modem firmware is _always_ completely closed. | 22:32 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, i think someone make hurd running on linux | 22:32 |
| wall[e] | was a very experiment though | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: that doesn't make logical sense | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: there is absolutely no chance it will ever be opened up - they cannot legally do this. | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | wall[e]: sounds like Xen | 22:33 |
| freehawaii | wall[e], you're showing your ignorance | 22:33 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, whynot? hurd isn't a kernel on its own | 22:33 |
| wall[e] | luke-jr, it runs on mach | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | HURD *is* a kernel | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | Mach is just part of it | 22:33 |
| freehawaii | HURD is a kernel with a bunch of translators sitting on top. | 22:33 |
| wall[e] | well, ok. | 22:33 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, oh so fcc is to blame got ya | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Dima202 didn't ask to open it | 22:33 |
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| PerfDave | HURD on Linux worked like User Mode Linux - the HURD microkernel ran as a Linux userspace process. | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: he asked why he can't use an older version | 22:33 |
| wall[e] | not that i agreed :) | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: It is. I'm thinking of hacking on crashanddie's scripts at some point so that in-week editing is less painful | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: He also asked 'is it nokias plan to control which firmware' - which I was answering | 22:34 |
| Dima202 | luke-jr, yeah why cant i use an older version? | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | (it is) | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Two front stories selected. One completed. | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, cool. | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, I reworked the titles. | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Time to spend time with the missus, then back at it. | 22:34 |
| wall[e] | hurd processes run in ring 0? | 22:34 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I saw; cool. | 22:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: because a common exploit in the past has been for users to roll back the version number of firmware to an exploitable kernel | 22:35 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, will come back to the stories later. | 22:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dima202: If you stop that being possible, then you reduce the risk of exploits. | 22:35 |
| wall[e] | n/m i should give up | 22:35 |
| lcuk | GAN900, words per minute on you 900? | 22:35 |
| lcuk | your | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: if it's the user, it's not an exploit | 22:35 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: 42 stories so far! | 22:35 |
| lcuk | any idea how high it is | 22:35 |
| wall[e] | not that i didn't have any background in linux network and mm though. | 22:35 |
| Macer | hm. lucid kubuntu | 22:35 |
| Macer | interesting | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: you claim the FCC requires this upgrade-only design?? | 22:36 |
| Macer | sure wish linux used zfs | 22:36 |
| Macer | with beadm | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: an exploitable phone module that is abused by some users - once nokia is notified of this - they have to fix it - or stop selling it in the UK for example. | 22:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: No - I'm saying they require that it not be hacked - nothing more than this. | 22:36 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: they have to force users to upgrade and prevent downgrades? | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: The law - at least in the UK - doesn't mandate any security at all. | 22:37 |
| Macer | luke-jr: could be worse... could be gentoo :) | 22:37 |
| sandstorm | how can I see a package which is under contrib/utils in app manager? | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It simply says that if you sell a device which can be used by users to do _list_of_bad_things_ - you are liable of an offence | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: (you should kick user including a reason in the kicking message) too lazy, as kicking via GUI doesn't allow to provide a reason | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: we're not discussing security, we're discussing control | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | tar xzf <meego-image> -C $MEEGO_ROOT <-- is meego-image the .img file or the .tar.gz? | 22:37 |
| Jaffa | sandstorm: You can't, easily. It's not designed to be user installable. Use apt-get from X Terminal or bug the packager. | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: after you've been notified that this is happening and you do not move to rectify it | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | think it's the .tar.gz since the command is tar | 22:38 |
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| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, I dont understand what this is all about. All calls are encrypted at least here in the US. Even if you where able to access this part of the system, how much harm could you really do? | 22:38 |
| wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, too lazy isn't a good community policy. | 22:38 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, was hitting about 50-65 with that test the other day. | 22:38 |
| sandstorm | Jaffa: I asked this just to install powertop, as I've read it should be included in the original N900 firmware but I could not find that. | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wall[e]: in this case nobody needed a reason | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: Lots. | 22:38 |
| * MohammadAG looks at what GAN900 said and takes it as a challenge | 22:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: For example - imagine a 'free data transfer' app. | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-02 21:11:12] <korhojoa> oh, where's PR1.2 ? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-05-02 21:11:22] * korhojoa awaits | 22:39 |
| Macer | heh | 22:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dima202: that transferred files at high speed between two phones - without going through the towers. | 22:39 |
| wazd | is flashlight applet developer here? :) | 22:39 |
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| Macer | PR stands for public release? | 22:39 |
| wall[e] | DocScrutinizer, yes, i was slow, thanks. | 22:39 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvilm and something is wrong with that? | 22:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: This can knock out dozens of calls in progress, perhaps including emergency calls. | 22:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: Over a range of many kilometers. | 22:39 |
| an0therb0x | when will the n900 be getting voice navigation... this is not right | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: The cellphone is half of an invention. The other half is the tower that coordinates all of the phones so they don't interfere. | 22:40 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, The other phone would have to accept the transfer for the data to go through though] | 22:40 |
| wall[e] | how hard it is to have virtual keyboard translucent? | 22:40 |
| freehawaii | Dima202, so it would only take 2 users to knock out an area of service | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: yes - I'm assuming for the moment that this is two n900s. | 22:40 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, Unless your talkinga bout Denial of Service attacks | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | [14:39:19] <SpeedEvil> Dima202: that transferred files at high speed between two phones - without going through the towers. | 22:41 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's the owners' right | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: To potentially disrupt emergency calls? | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | no | 22:41 |
| Dima202 | to transfer large files without the tower | 22:41 |
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| luke-jr | that's when the government triangulates the interference and makes an arrest :) | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Using the radio spectrum in the phone band without the towers consent _will_ disrupt calls. | 22:42 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: haha. that would take like a week for an 800 lb gorilla :) | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not necessarily | 22:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes, necesarrily. | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: a smart device could listen and track which parts are unused and only use those | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It can't. | 22:42 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, Couldn't I just build a transmitter which would operate at cell phone frequency disrupting communications just as easily? | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | why not? it has all the info the tower has | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: As the device cannot pick up the tower. | 22:43 |
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| PerfDave | You can always use the same CSMA protocol that the cellular network does? | 22:43 |
| Dima202 | I think this security measure is bullshit (pardon my french) | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Consider two phones on one side of the tower 2km away from it, and another phone 10km from the tower, but behind a hill to the two phones. | 22:43 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ah, true | 22:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: the two phones start transmitting on the 'free' channel - that's being used by the other phone that they can't see. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And the far phone drops out. | 22:44 |
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| Macer | hm. nightvision for the cam? :) does it use the IR or something? haha | 22:44 |
| PerfDave | Dima202: Most security measures are :) | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: in any case, that's for the government to deal with, not the company | 22:44 |
| wall[e] | btw, i think you can sit reiserfs over any fs? | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And part of the way it's dealt with is - in the UK - saying 'if your phone is exploited, you can't sell it until you fix it' | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it's not their phone | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | it's mine | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | I bought it | 22:45 |
| Macer | i didn't think people still used reiserfs since the conviction | 22:45 |
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| wall[e] | i was thinking about that, like i want a file system that can sit on fat32 | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: where 'you' in this case is nokia | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | Nokia has no claim to my phone | 22:45 |
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| wall[e] | if there file was too big then it auto split the file | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: sorry for being unclear | 22:46 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, you really are daft. | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | I paid them for it, it's mine | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | s/your/nokia/ | 22:46 |
| wall[e] | so you can still mount with other os | 22:46 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, That's fine. However Nokia would be barred from selling any device that has such a vulnerability | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | ok | 22:46 |
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| luke-jr | but the user being able to do it isn't a vulnerability | 22:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | (also luke-jr would be banned from selling it on ebay - if he knew) (but enforcement of that would be harder) | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | it's their device after all | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: From nokias POV - it absolutely is. | 22:46 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, The user being able to do it would be a security hazard. | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Imagine this. | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | Nokia has no relevance in this matter | 22:47 |
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| luke-jr | Nokia has no claim to my phone or the network I'm using | 22:47 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, Nokia sold you the device, Nokia holds QC and security over the device before sales begin. | 22:47 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, Had nokia been away of such an exploitable hole, you wouldn't be holding the device, at this moment in time. | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | freehawaii: Nokia has no right to restrict how I use my phone once I buy it | 22:47 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, We are not arguing that. | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: An app gets released for the n900 that allows file sharing between nearby phones without going through the towers. Imagine if there are a hundred phones in an area. If it's moderately popular, it could easily take up _large_ slices of the phone spectrum. | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | their attempt to take control by proprietary software is abuse | 22:48 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, We're talking about AFTER the FACT. | 22:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Causing most phonecalls in the area to fail. | 22:48 |
| * frals facepalms | 22:48 | |
| luke-jr | so treat that app as you would treat a virus | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | arrest the author, announce it as illegal, and arrest people using it | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | or cite users | 22:48 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, or fix the issue at the source. | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | freehawaii: the source is the app author | 22:49 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, no, the source is the vulnerability. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | From nokias POV - the above is a PR _DISASTER_ | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | it's not a vulnerability | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not my problem | 22:49 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, Yes it is. It's a security HOLE. | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | As well as a sales disaster - they will have to stop selling phones till it's fixed. | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | freehawaii: the ability for ME to control MY phone is not a security problem | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | now, if the app can do it without my consent, perhaps | 22:49 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, why do you think if people start sharing via their phones then people wont be able to make calls? The TOWER is not involved so no load on the tower. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | So - obviously they encrypt teh firmware. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: yes it is. | 22:50 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, for fucks sake - from Nokia's POV, from the carrier POV and from the governments POV - it is a security problem. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: the problem is that signals don't go from A-B | 22:50 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, The world does not revolve around you. | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | freehawaii: my property DOES revolve around me. | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | how I use it is my own responsibility | 22:50 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, are you familiar with ham radio? | 22:50 |
| freehawaii | luke-jr, You don't own the spectrum you'd be fucking up on. | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: 'A' transmits, and it is picked up (at various strengths) by B, and all of the stations in range. | 22:51 |
| frals | obviously the goverments view on the issue differs from your luke-jr | 22:51 |
| frals | and unless you get them to change, id say your fucked | 22:51 |
| frals | s/your/you're | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: One transmission on a frequency can jam dozens of calls that are sharing the same frequency. | 22:51 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, Even if the tower picks up the data it does not process it in any ways.. It need a sort of password to process any data/voice | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: Phone networks only work well as the towers coordinate all of the calls between them. | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: It's not a case of picking it up. | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: it's a case of jamming. | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: get a brain | 22:52 |
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| ZogG_N900 | chem|st, the point is that i turn it silent but still it's music player and i'm at school now only cause i was in army for 3 years. | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: If I shout back and forth to a friend 50m away, it makes you having a soft conversation with someone 5m away very difficult. | 22:53 |
| mikki-kun | hey uhm, can anybody tell me the path where "libgooglesearchwidget.so" is located? | 22:54 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, Alright think about 100 people talking to a tower at the same time | 22:54 |
| mikki-kun | would need that really ;/ | 22:54 |
| SimonLR | mikki-kun, find / | grep it | 22:54 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, i just got my n900 in a loop | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dima202: They are all carefully allocated by the tower specific times and frequencies to talk on. | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | SimonLR: so if I mess w/ the frequency illegally, prosecute me | 22:54 |
| mikki-kun | and therefore can't search | 22:54 |
| mikki-kun | it's in a boot-loop | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | GSM is a cooperative media-sharing network, like e.g. your 10BT ethernet over coax. Any participant not strictly following the rules will mess up everything | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dima202: It is organised by the tower so that no two phones transmit to it at once. | 22:55 |
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| mikki-kun | but still if i am fast enough it could connect to wlan, i ssh there and delete my "transformed" file | 22:55 |
| mikki-kun | and replace it with the original one | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: this means that a phone 10km away can be recieved - as no other phones transmit in its slot. | 22:55 |
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| SimonLR | mikki-kun, /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/libgooglesearchwidget.so | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: even though a phone 1km from it will have a much stronger signal. | 22:55 |
| mikki-kun | thanks | 22:56 |
| mikki-kun | that'll help me really really much :) | 22:56 |
| Dima202 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dima202: so waht? | 22:56 |
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| zokier | luke-jr, problem is that atleast some legislations afaik its illegal to sell equipment which enables you to mess with licenced frequencies | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | UK and US at least. | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | To my knowledge. Probably more places. | 22:57 |
| SimonLR | All of North America. | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | zokier: exactly | 22:57 |
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| hrw | re | 22:57 |
| SimonLR | FCC and IC restrict it. | 22:57 |
| lardman|home | hey hrw | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | hey | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | zokier: the problem is that "enables" is too broadly defined | 22:58 |
| lardman|home | hrw: dunno if someone mentioned it to you already, but GAN900 wanted to ask you about a cloak | 22:58 |
| hrw | my n900 will have a chance of getting that prc1.2 by ota | 22:58 |
| hrw | lardman|home: we discussed that already | 22:58 |
| * lardman|home is probably a week behind the times mind you | 22:58 | |
| SimonLR | luke-jr, no it's not. EU, FCC and IC define it clearly. | 22:58 |
| lardman|home | hrw: good good | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | SimonLR: clearly too broad | 22:58 |
| hrw | lardman|home: and I refused to use maemo cloak | 22:58 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, So your saying every phone transmits at a different frequency ex. ph1=1850.0001 ph2=1850.0002 etc.. | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: yes | 22:58 |
| lardman|home | hrw: :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's your opinion, everyone has one | 22:59 |
| mikki-kun | meh, a second too slow >.< | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: the tower says to the phone 'transmit on channel 73' | 22:59 |
| Macer | oh hell yeah | 22:59 |
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| Macer | V is back | 22:59 |
| hrw | lardman|home: I will repeat for you: I thought about cloaks for freenode few years ago but decided against them. those who know me know that I contribute(d) to maemo, openembedded, opie, gpe, openmoko etc so why limit to one cloak | 22:59 |
| Macer | :) | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: where it knows that channel 73 is free, and not in use by other towers or phones in the area | 22:59 |
| hrw | ~hail dpkg-repack | 22:59 |
| lardman|home | hrw: sure, was just passing it on | 22:59 |
| * infobot bows down to dpkg-repack and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 22:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: + "... on timeslice 14, with a time advance of 4 bits" | 22:59 |
| Dima202 | SpeedEvil, I didn't realise the cellphone network worked in this manner.. logical | 22:59 |
| lardman|home | hrw: I suppose the real reason for a cloak, rather than saying what you do/have done, is to hide your IP | 23:00 |
| Dima202 | What about two providers using the same frequencies and different towers? | 23:00 |
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| Dima202 | Example ATT and T-Mobile | 23:00 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, i was fast enough :D | 23:00 |
| hrw | lardman|home: no, it is to say something | 23:00 |
| mikki-kun | thanks SimonLR :D | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: they all cooperate to set this up so that no phones interfere | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dima202: that won't happen | 23:00 |
| SimonLR | mikki-kun, No problem | 23:00 |
| lardman|home | hrw: fair enough, I had the wrong idea then :) | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Dima202: either by negotiation, or by being allocated by the government specific slots | 23:00 |
| mikki-kun | at least i know now that just hexediting is bad | 23:00 |
| SimonLR | mikki-kun, take a look at rescue-boot | 23:01 |
| mikki-kun | i am not sure how that works | 23:01 |
| mikki-kun | didn't tell me how i can start it ;/ | 23:01 |
| SimonLR | mikki-kun, /etc/rescue-boot.d/ houses the scripts you wantrun | 23:02 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, and how do i place them there on a loop-booting machine? | 23:02 |
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| hrw | lardman|home: but thats my opinion :D | 23:02 |
| lardman|home | np :) | 23:03 |
| SimonLR | mikki-kun, just for future reference. | 23:03 |
| hrw | 1720 packages generated from rc1.2 rootfs | 23:03 |
| lardman|home | I've not had a chance to look at it | 23:03 |
| hrw | lardman|home: nandsim + ubifs == access to rootfs without using n900 | 23:04 |
| lardman|home | though from some of the "this isn't working any more..." threads on TMO, I may wait until the official release too ;) | 23:04 |
| mikki-kun | well, still i am not quite getting the idea >.< sorry | 23:04 |
| lardman|home | hrw: ah interesting, I was wondering how to mount the ubifs rootfs | 23:04 |
| hrw | lardman|home: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubifs.html#L_ubifs_extract | 23:04 |
| SimonLR | lardman|home, , it's fairly easy. | 23:05 |
| lardman|home | hrw: thanks | 23:05 |
| lardman|home | SimonLR: yeah, was just idle wondering, I'd not looked | 23:05 |
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| SimonLR | lardman|home, ah. There's a thread on maemo.org for it. | 23:05 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 23:06 |
| SimonLR | lardman|home, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554&highlight=rootfs.jffs2 | 23:06 |
| lardman|home | as a random aside, I see the Pandora has still not shipped | 23:06 |
| lardman|home | SimonLR: ah, that's jffs2, the old fs | 23:07 |
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| hrw | lardman|home: no, thats ubifs but wrongly named | 23:07 |
| SimonLR | lardman|home, there's a post by x86 that has UBIFS | 23:07 |
| lardman|home | ah, the thread has ubifs too | 23:07 |
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| lardman|home | cool | 23:07 |
| SimonLR | lardman|home, I just exacted RC1.2 and it works. | 23:07 |
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| SimonLR | hrw, is it possible to re-build FULL FIASCO images? | 23:07 |
| hrw | SimonLR: no idea | 23:08 |
| lardman|home | didn't used to be | 23:08 |
| hrw | SimonLR: but flasher can flash most of parts | 23:08 |
| lardman|home | though 0xffff may be able to flash from the FIASCO format, so have a look there | 23:09 |
| SimonLR | hrw: Yeah I know, but a complete FIASCO image would be nice for ease of portability. | 23:09 |
| hrw | SimonLR: but it is undocumented iirc | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: users claiming they are masters of their phone's GSM stack and same time assuming GSM is similar to silly walkytalky - they seem to me of same mindset like the OC fanboys claiming they could outsmart TI wrt electromigration | 23:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is somewhat subtle. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | And easy for those that haven't looked into it to misunderstand. | 23:10 |
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| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer, Not all OC users are touting non-issue. | 23:14 |
| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer, Some are simply saying the level of life decrease isn't a huge mitigating factor for them. | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's ok to me | 23:15 |
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| lardman|home | ah, not Orange County, Over-Clocking... it all becomes clear now ;) | 23:15 |
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| SimonLR | lardman|home, oh, I was talking about Orange Crush, the soda. | 23:15 |
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| lardman|home | lol | 23:16 |
| mece | wtf texrat thread! | 23:16 |
| mece | ? | 23:16 |
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| lardman|home | linky? | 23:16 |
| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=639057 | 23:16 |
| chem|st | not again | 23:16 |
| mece | funny one :) | 23:16 |
| mece | there was a texrat thread before+ | 23:16 |
| mece | ? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=son+of+orange+county&aq=0 | 23:16 |
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| wall[e] | is texrat here? | 23:17 |
| mece | ~seen texrat | 23:17 |
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| infobot | texrat <~ad4a12f4@Maemo/community/council/Texrat> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 21h 50m 33s ago, saying: 'tsg meeting tomorrow bitches'. | 23:17 |
| wall[e] | thanks. | 23:18 |
| mece | no | 23:18 |
| wall[e] | ok :) | 23:18 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: I was thinking more of the TV program with bikini-clad young women | 23:18 |
| lardman|home | hmm, I can't really see texrat saying that | 23:19 |
| wall[e] | i'm considering buying an ironman helmet but will wait until it runs maemo. | 23:19 |
| hrw | 4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1084 not upgraded. | 23:19 |
| hrw | quite lot for OTA... | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | wtf ^ | 23:19 |
| wall[e] | ~$80 | 23:19 |
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| wall[e] | want built in maemo in the eyeglasses | 23:20 |
| chem|st | mece: teh funny stuff comes last | 23:21 |
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| lardman|home | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=639059&postcount=43 'tis so true | 23:22 |
| lardman|home | I don't recognise hald the usernames in that thread | 23:22 |
| lardman|home | s/hald/half | 23:22 |
| wall[e] | someone should came up with the integrated os for biking helmet, http://tinyurl.com/3ax7rls | 23:22 |
| wall[e] | ok, offtopic | 23:22 |
| wall[e] | sorry | 23:23 |
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| lardman|home | wall[e]: that's not a biking helmet is it? | 23:23 |
| lardman|home | though the button activated slide down eye visors may be good when it rains | 23:24 |
| lardman|home | :) | 23:24 |
| Wolfie | sorry for butting in in the middle, but what has texrat done regarding the pr1.2, and what's this about resigning? | 23:25 |
| lardman|home | I think he closed the thread about the leak/edited out the url and now is getting flak | 23:25 |
| lardman|home | that's my guess anyway, not having been watching very closely | 23:25 |
| mece | Wolfie, lardman|home, he did not close the thread. That was apparently the problem. | 23:25 |
| Wolfie | okay | 23:25 |
| lardman|home | ah ok | 23:26 |
| mece | ~seen Bummer | 23:26 |
| infobot | bummer <i=Anonymou@66-190-197-138.dhcp.rnrp.nc.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 492d 23h 42m 49s ago, saying: 'ok thanks again'. | 23:26 |
| mece | ok.. | 23:26 |
| mece | eh | 23:26 |
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| mece | well I guess bummer isn't on irc. Anyway tmo user "Bummer" took offense in Texrat not closing the thread end sensoring the links and whatnot | 23:26 |
| Macer | lardman|home: that's why i don't really use the forums much :) | 23:26 |
| Macer | only for information like how to do things. general discussion is better done on irc here | 23:27 |
| wall[e] | lardman, not sure but will buy it for biking. | 23:27 |
| mece | While I think Texrat did a pretty good job warning everyone that it was in no way official and to be careful and whatnot. | 23:27 |
| wall[e] | may be that's a suicide :S | 23:27 |
| Wolfie | oh, to be on-topic, on my n900, i have a desktop with two contact shortcuts. Alas, yesterday I noticed that that desktop is blank. I tried to re-add those contacts, but those contacts aren't shown in the list. I'm guessing the contacts are somewhere there, but just not shown | 23:27 |
| lardman|home | Macer: I had been steering clear, and now I'm back there are far too many new posts to keep track of | 23:27 |
| Wolfie | a reboot didn't help. Any idaes? | 23:27 |
| lardman|home | wall[e]: will look cool though :) | 23:28 |
| wall[e] | :) | 23:28 |
| mece | lardman|home, Macer, There is a lot of good stuff on tmo as long as you steer clear of general, n900 and off topic sections. | 23:28 |
| mece | applications and development sections are very good in my opinion. | 23:29 |
| Macer | lardman|home: heh. well. that one you posted looks like professional wrestling | 23:29 |
| lardman|home | just too many posts nowadays, hard to sift through them all | 23:29 |
| hrw | 1077 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 23:29 |
| Macer | hrw: sounds like my lucid install | 23:29 |
| mece | lardman|home, well the "Active Topics" area is useless these days, unless you have got a few extra hours to kill. | 23:29 |
| lardman|home | yep | 23:30 |
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| hrw | Macer: thats 1.1.1->prc1.2 ota | 23:30 |
| SimonLR | Has anybody looked into the containers for the CMT- files packed in the images? | 23:30 |
| wall[e] | slashdot vote would be nice | 23:30 |
| lardman|home | "new posts" is bad news | 23:30 |
| hrw | mece: that area is useless since n900 launch | 23:30 |
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| mece | hrw, well yeah. unless something interesting is happening it's fun to see them go apeshit :) Like today. | 23:31 |
| mece | hrw, got a new build on there? | 23:31 |
| Macer | hrw: ota? :) | 23:32 |
| hrw | mece: ? | 23:32 |
| hrw | Macer: ota, I do not like to reflash n900 | 23:32 |
| mece | hrw, your upgrade | 23:32 |
| hrw | mece: thats that prc1.2 | 23:32 |
| mece | over the air | 23:32 |
| mece | what's that? | 23:32 |
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| Macer | heh | 23:32 |
| mece | that leaked one? | 23:32 |
| Macer | yeah. that's what i was asking | 23:32 |
| hrw | mece: yes, that one | 23:32 |
| Macer | it's not ota if it's not over the air i thought | 23:32 |
| mece | hrw, righty- | 23:32 |
| mece | hrw, I thought you had official | 23:33 |
| hrw | it is upgrade from pr1.1.1 -> prc1.2 using 'apt-get dist-upgrade' | 23:33 |
| hrw | mece: do I look like @nokia? | 23:33 |
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| mece | hrw, you virtual people all look the same! | 23:33 |
| hrw | ;D | 23:34 |
| hrw | I mounted prc1.2 ubifs, extracted packages from it, made repo from them and now my n900 upgrades | 23:35 |
| wall[e] | what's the repository in the pr1.2 hk? | 23:35 |
| SimonLR | SOS_MM ERROR: SOS_MM_TASK: task received crap! | 23:35 |
| wall[e] | what are the repositories | 23:35 |
| hrw | wall[e]: basically same as in 1.1.1 as new packages are not online | 23:35 |
| wall[e] | hrw, thanks. | 23:35 |
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| hrw | wall[e]: only ovi and extras are fremantle-1.2 | 23:36 |
| SimonLR | CMT has a built-in firewall? | 23:36 |
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| wall[e] | hrw, thanks. | 23:36 |
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| hrw | wall[e]: np | 23:36 |
| wall[e] | i wish reposotires are in torrent | 23:36 |
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| wall[e] | beside ftp and http | 23:37 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], if repositories were torrentable - you'd be getting malicious packages. | 23:37 |
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| wall[e] | SimonLR, you can have sha-256 | 23:37 |
| PerfDave | SimonLR: Not if you verified the checksum of the .torrent :) | 23:38 |
| zokier | torrents are rather secure actually | 23:38 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], Or you could use a centrally housed repository with limited access. | 23:38 |
| wall[e] | unless you didn't know it's doing md5 already | 23:38 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], sort of like exactly what's officially being used. | 23:38 |
| wall[e] | which is breakable in some cases. | 23:38 |
| wall[e] | sure. | 23:38 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], so are torrents. Stream injection is stupid easy. | 23:39 |
| ZogG | wait what | 23:39 |
| ZogG | texrat is resigning? | 23:39 |
| hrw | ZogG: where? | 23:39 |
| wall[e] | you can't inject something that will be verified with central keys | 23:39 |
| ZogG | i mean leaving the moderator post? | 23:39 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], Uh what? | 23:40 |
| wall[e] | you can break md5 key used in torrent though. | 23:40 |
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| wall[e] | but extra sha-256 can be extended. | 23:40 |
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| SimonLR | wall[e], and on which end is the key confirmed? | 23:40 |
| mece | hrw, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35733&page=3 | 23:40 |
| wall[e] | SimonLR, you need to download key from the tracker first. | 23:41 |
| wall[e] | tracker is centralized | 23:41 |
| mece | hrw, well starting from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638793&postcount=21 | 23:41 |
| zokier | SimonLR, you know that packages are already signed? | 23:41 |
| Macer | hm | 23:41 |
| SimonLR | zokier, not forcibly. | 23:42 |
| Macer | i think i'm going to have to break down and install windows 7 on another box i have here | 23:42 |
| Macer | :) | 23:42 |
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| Macer | i need it on a desktop to use for office type stuff | 23:42 |
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| Macer | especially after seeing what the hell you needed to do to get a scanner to work in linux where like 90% of them aren't fully supported | 23:42 |
| ZogG | hrw, talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=639123#post639123 | 23:42 |
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| hrw | we live in free world | 23:43 |
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| hrw | no comments from me as I read tmo rarely | 23:43 |
| hrw | too much noise, nearly no signal | 23:44 |
| ZogG | agreed | 23:44 |
| hrw | n900 killed tmo basically | 23:44 |
| Macer | hrw: "free world" ? | 23:44 |
| Macer | heh | 23:44 |
| wall[e] | how do I suggest my screenshot of xournal to the author? | 23:44 |
| Macer | if you say so :) | 23:44 |
| mece | hrw, lol your tweet is going to fuck with the minds of noobs :D:D:D | 23:44 |
| SimonLR | wall[e], email him? | 23:44 |
| ZogG | email? | 23:45 |
| wall[e] | he isn't here right? | 23:45 |
| Macer | wall[e]: you do what everybody else does.. you take all his code and change it yourself and branch off | 23:45 |
| Macer | :) | 23:45 |
| hrw | mece: that was a plan | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen crashanddie | 23:45 |
| infobot | crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 9h 15m 29s ago, saying: 'nobody can master it, except for chuck norris'. | 23:45 |
| sandstorm | he | 23:45 |
| SimonLR | WTF? | 23:45 |
| ZogG | ~google pr1.2 leak | 23:45 |
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| wall[e] | Macer, :) | 23:45 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, do you ever sleep? | 23:46 |
| SimonLR | The N900 CMT blobs were built with 850/1900 code in them | 23:46 |
| wall[e] | http://tinyurl.com/22t7qhd | 23:46 |
| wall[e] | posted yesterday! | 23:46 |
| hrw | mece: who knows, maybe someone interesting to follow will reply | 23:46 |
| wall[e] | i'm working for 4$ usd/h anyone want to hire me doing anything? | 23:46 |
| ZogG | wall[e] is it your? | 23:47 |
| SimonLR | Is there a go-to person for looking at the binary blobs for the modem? I've found some interesting things. | 23:47 |
| wall[e] | ZogG, yes | 23:47 |
| ZogG | yours? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, lol I'm off in a bit :P | 23:47 |
| ZogG | wall[e], autoportrait? | 23:47 |
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| evilBunny | has to anyones knowledge sdio been enabled in the fremantle kernel | 23:47 |
| wall[e] | ZogG, no model. | 23:47 |
| ZogG | wall[e] sent me her phone | 23:48 |
| mece | hrw, hahaa.. waitup.. I'll reply :P | 23:48 |
| wall[e] | she doesn't exist! :P | 23:48 |
| ZogG | =( | 23:48 |
| ZogG | hrw your tweeter? | 23:48 |
| * Arkenoi heard a rumor pr1.2 is mysteriously incompatible with titan kernels | 23:49 | |
| ZogG | it sucks me being russian -) | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: some people were running it with that leakyware | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | priviet :P | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: without any kernel related problems | 23:49 |
| ZogG | almost all my tweets in russian and i'm lazy to make another account =( | 23:49 |
| Arkenoi | jacekowski, hmm, so that's not true. good. | 23:49 |
| mece | hrw, was my reply what you wished for? | 23:50 |
| * Arkenoi will wait for official release | 23:50 | |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: but that might not be true for official release | 23:50 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, and also you know how it sucks in our natzi country =) | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: i mean nokia doesn't really care if you break your phone | 23:50 |
| * ZogG is waiting too | 23:50 | |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, lol no idea, got a russian friend and I don't see him annoyed | 23:50 |
| hrw | mece: where? | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: if they can just void your warranty because you were running it overclocked | 23:50 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, not that i annoyed too - just you know | 23:51 |
| mece | I @replied you. from @mece66 | 23:51 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, is your friend a girl ? =-)))) | 23:51 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL no | 23:51 |
| ZogG | =((((((((( | 23:51 |
| mece | ZogG, you don't happen to be the fheroes2 guy? | 23:51 |
| hrw | mece: ;D | 23:52 |
| ZogG | not | 23:52 |
| johnsu01 | anyone know how to get NMEA from the n900 gps? | 23:53 |
| ZogG | i'm noob guy | 23:53 |
| mece | ZogG, ok. | 23:53 |
| mece | ZogG :D | 23:53 |
| Macer | i'm still confused.. are there n900s that work with att? | 23:53 |
| Macer | well.. with att 3G? | 23:53 |
| ZogG | mece, not really ok - it makes me depressive | 23:53 |
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| mece | ZogG, well one catches on quick. | 23:53 |
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| tybollt | la? | 23:54 |
| SimonLR | Macer, software wise - yes. I am looking at CMT GSM Module code RIGHT NOW, that references 850MHz/1900MHz access. | 23:54 |
| cato` | doesnt ATT use UTMS? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | joschi: As far as I'm aware, you can't. | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | joschi: The GPS is part of the modem | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | joschi: the modem exports any and all GPS info | 23:55 |
| ZogG | anyway good night guys | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | joschi: but I don't think there is a nice nmEA output anywhere | 23:55 |
| Macer | SimonLR: heh. well. i have had t-mobile for quite a while anyways so i don't care much about it.. but i was curious | 23:55 |
| hrw | byeall | 23:55 |
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| SimonLR | cato`, AT&T uses UMTS on 850/190MHz bands | 23:55 |
| Macer | then again. i probably wouldn't suggest an n900 to joe user :) | 23:55 |
| mece | hrw, toodles | 23:55 |
| Macer | just because of the landscape only mode | 23:55 |
| Macer | i just had a friend who has att and was wondering though | 23:55 |
| mece | Macer, I know lots of laymen who use the N900 with no probs. | 23:56 |
| mece | Macer, my mom tried mine, and instantly wanted one. | 23:56 |
| evilBunny | SpeedEvil: can't he just use gpsd ? ;) | 23:56 |
| johnsu01 | there is minigpsd, but it doesn't install due to some missing dependencies (which I haven't tried to chase down) | 23:57 |
| mece | ~seen noobmonk3y | 23:57 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-50-44.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 14m 1s ago, saying: 'but that shouldnt make a difference'. | 23:57 |
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| johnsu01 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8905 is instructive I guess | 23:58 |
| povbot | Bug 8905: No NMEA output from GPS | 23:58 |
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