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| Otacon22 | When the pr1.2 will be released? | 00:02 |
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| evilBunny | haha | 00:03 |
| evilBunny | someday | 00:03 |
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| kthomas_vh | if I want to compile source on maemo, what packages do I need? | 00:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | kthomas_vh: there are no packages that let you do that installable on the n900 as I understnad ti. (not from he default repos anyway) | 00:05 |
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| Mace_N900 | ugh | 00:05 |
| Mace_N900 | have to install windows | 00:05 |
| evilBunny | ? | 00:06 |
| Mace_N900 | i love using my bt keyboard on my n900 | 00:06 |
| Mace_N900 | except that it has to stay open | 00:06 |
| evilBunny | ? what the slide ? | 00:06 |
| Mace_N900 | yes | 00:07 |
| kthomas_vh | SpeedEvil, there must be a C compiler out there somewhere :) ? | 00:07 |
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| evilBunny | hmmz thats fixable | 00:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | kthomas_vh: As far as I'm aware, there isn't. At least for maemo 5. There seems to be one in the debian chroot image - install the debian chroot - but I can't work aptitude | 00:07 |
| Mace_N900 | evilBunny: it has to stay open for me to use my su8w correctly | 00:07 |
| lcuk | kthomas_vh, build-essential is in the maemo sdk/tools repo | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | There's one in the easy-debian chroot? cool! | 00:08 |
| Mace_N900 | really the only part that is messed up is the part where i can´t use enter when it is closed | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | thanks SpeedEvil | 00:08 |
| Mace_N900 | other than that it seems ok | 00:08 |
| evilBunny | waiting on a bt kb here atm, but more bsy with trying to figure out if the sdhost has full spi support | 00:08 |
| Mace_N900 | enter seems to want to pull up the vkb when it´s closed | 00:08 |
| wall[e] | is n900 lcd capable of 3d display? | 00:08 |
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| evilBunny | hmmz en if you disable vkb ? | 00:08 |
| wall[e] | using polarized eye glasses like samsung tv | 00:08 |
| Mace_N900 | evilBunny: yes | 00:08 |
| Mace_N900 | it just won´t work then | 00:09 |
| Mace_N900 | when i deactivate the vkb it just won´t work withe the return/enter key | 00:09 |
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| Mace_N900 | it is probably just a matter of mapping but i´m too lazy to figure it out now | 00:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Or rather - there appears to be - in the repos it accesses. | 00:09 |
| Mace_N900 | it´s nice to be able to use my bt keyboard with it tho | 00:09 |
| evilBunny | Mace_N900 hmmz that is odd indeed , think its the mapping yeah | 00:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: i can't work out how I get aptitude to install build-essentials and everything. It seems to want to change libc - which - ... | 00:10 |
| Mace_N900 | evilBunny: i sure figured something like this would work out the box considering it worked with the n810 just fine | 00:10 |
| evilBunny | yeah one reason i ebayed a mac kb ;) | 00:10 |
| Mace_N900 | and the fact that this is a nokia bt keyboard heh | 00:10 |
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| kthomas_vh | lcuk, thanks | 00:11 |
| Mace_N900 | it just seriously sucks that this mapping is off. not only that i have to manually run xkb to get it to work correctly | 00:11 |
| Mace_N900 | other than that though it works like a champ as you can see. i´m using it right now with xchat | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/apple_restriction_zone.jpg | 00:14 |
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| b-man | SpeedEvil: haha awesome :D | 00:15 |
| BCMM | wall[e]: of course not, but it should work fine with red/blue glasses :) | 00:15 |
| mece | hey why is the "youre screwed if you installed prc1.2 thread closed? | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: Moving the GSoC projects down to the bottom to put them at the bottom of the section | 00:15 |
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| wall[e] | BCMM, :) | 00:16 |
| trumee | maps.google.com and gmail.com in standard mode are slow on N900 | 00:16 |
| BCMM | maps.google.com has become awful on most browsers | 00:17 |
| trumee | ajax kills the browser | 00:17 |
| BCMM | doesn't even work right in konqueror now | 00:17 |
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| wall[e] | new pr1.2 should have it faster? | 00:17 |
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| BCMM | i am beginning to wonder if it's slowly going to get unusable on anything that isn't chrome | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: insufficient apostrophies. | 00:17 |
| wall[e] | is tracemonkey thing on in microb? | 00:17 |
| trumee | BCMM: i have given up konqueror, mostly use FF in kde | 00:17 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, :P | 00:17 |
| SimonLR | Does the N900 use Nokia / Aplicom 12 GSM module? | 00:18 |
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| BCMM | trumee: i use konqueror because of KDE integration | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It is referred to as Rupyama or something similar in the schematic | 00:18 |
| wall[e] | anyway, I use gmail in igoogle | 00:18 |
| wall[e] | i think it's faster there | 00:18 |
| BCMM | being able to do things like drag links to a directory to save files just feels like it should work | 00:18 |
| furunk3l | so, i heard pr 1.2 is leaked? | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | you heard wrong | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | ~pr1.2 | 00:19 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 00:19 |
| * GAN900 notes Sygic still hasn't done anything about their abuse of the maemo.org trademark. | 00:19 | |
| wall[e] | LOL | 00:19 |
| BCMM | furunk3l: AFAIK the leak is not the version that will be released | 00:19 |
| furunk3l | oh lord. i wont ask. | 00:19 |
| BCMM | and is very much work in progress | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | 3 months after I contacted them about it and they said they were working on it. . . . | 00:19 |
| BCMM | and will eat your cat | 00:19 |
| furunk3l | i have 2 | 00:19 |
| trumee | BCMM: any way to sync with kontact? | 00:19 |
| BCMM | GAN900: what abuse was this? | 00:19 |
| BCMM | trumee: gaaaah | 00:19 |
| BCMM | trumee: after much reasearch, i'm not sure | 00:20 |
| trumee | BCMM: opensync doesn't work any more with N900 | 00:20 |
| BCMM | trumee: interested in contacts or calendars? | 00:20 |
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| trumee | BCMM: contacts only | 00:20 |
| BCMM | GAN900: what abuse was this? | 00:20 |
| BCMM | trumee: dunno about sync, but import/export is easy enough | 00:21 |
| BCMM | likewise for calendars | 00:21 |
| trumee | BCMM: i have it working with N95 but not with N900 | 00:21 |
| BCMM | i wasn't really looking for contacts answers, so if i did find any way to handle contacts that didn't to calendar too, i ignored it | 00:21 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: isn't maemo.org just a subname of maemo trademark? | 00:21 |
| trumee | BCMM: want a sync, import/export doesnt cut it | 00:22 |
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| trumee | BCMM: did u try opensync? | 00:22 |
| BCMM | trumee: how does sync work anyway? | 00:22 |
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| GAN900 | BCMM, chopping the .org off the maemo.org trademark | 00:22 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it has its own trademark that cannot be applied to maemo.org | 00:22 |
| mece | furunk3l, an old and buggy release candidate (that obviously did not get released) was leaked. it's from week 12. current RC is week 16. | 00:22 |
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| BCMM | i mean, how does it know, for example, whether you added a contact on the phone or deleted one on the PC? | 00:22 |
| trumee | BCMM: sync works very well with N95. two way sync. perfect | 00:23 |
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| GAN900 | Besides, chopping pieces off of other people's trademarks is generally not considered acceptable. | 00:23 |
| trumee | BCMM: opensync has some rules | 00:23 |
| BCMM | trumee: no, i mean i'm a little fuzzy on what sync is and how it works | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? | 00:23 |
| furunk3l | thx mece. i was just curiious. | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Who owns the copyright to the maemo.org image? | 00:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | DCMA takedown? | 00:23 |
| trumee | BCMM: multisync gui for opensync has some settings | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I don't have any idea at this point | 00:24 |
| BCMM | it would be really, really useful if i could sync the calendar, but i don't think it will be possible | 00:24 |
| mece | furunk3l, and to add to the hilarity: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638698&postcount=1 | 00:24 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I think Nokia does when it's all said and done. | 00:24 |
| trumee | BCMM: nokia thinks it is opensyncs fault if it doesnt work for N900 | 00:24 |
| BCMM | trumee: hmm, i thought opensync did work with n900? | 00:24 |
| trumee | BCMM: opensync can sync calendars as well | 00:24 |
| BCMM | trumee: so what does sync with it? | 00:24 |
| trumee | BCMM: nope it doesnt | 00:25 |
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| trumee | BCMM: only funambol | 00:25 |
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| trumee | BCMM: something is wrong with the syncml inside N900 | 00:25 |
| BCMM | trumee: googling it produces words like "cloud" - does that involve a third-party server somewhere? | 00:25 |
| trumee | BCMM: funambol is a crappy solution | 00:26 |
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| trumee | BCMM: yup. that is why it sucks | 00:26 |
| BCMM | so the n900 is supposed to do opensync, but doesn't? | 00:26 |
| trumee | BCMM: yup | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | night | 00:26 |
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| BCMM | i am confused about terms here | 00:26 |
| BCMM | syncml is a standard for syncing, and opensync is an open-source impementation of that standard? | 00:27 |
| trumee | BCMM: i logged a bug for it but it was called invalid | 00:27 |
| BCMM | and the n900 is a broken implementation? | 00:27 |
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| BCMM | trumee: what is an "invalid" bug? | 00:27 |
| BCMM | trumee: also, did i get the above right? | 00:27 |
| jatt | hi, when I choose "Good quality" in zoutube, the video is not shown, is this a known problem? | 00:27 |
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| jatt | only "Bad quality" works | 00:27 |
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| trumee | BCMM: there is syncml server and syncml client | 00:28 |
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| trumee | BCMM: syncml client is for funambol, server is for opensync | 00:28 |
| BCMM | trumee: not sure i follow you | 00:28 |
| BCMM | trumee: oh, you mean on the n900? | 00:28 |
| trumee | BCMM: opensync works with syncml over bluetooth | 00:29 |
| trumee | BCMM: yes | 00:29 |
| trumee | BCMM: syncml server implementation in N900 has a problem | 00:29 |
| trumee | BCMM: so opensync is not able to talk to it | 00:30 |
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| BCMM | trumee: am i correct that syncml is a protocol and opensync is a client (or server) that implements that protocol? | 00:31 |
| trumee | BCMM: 'invalid bug' my bug report was given invalid status in bugzilla | 00:31 |
| BCMM | trumee: what was bug number? | 00:31 |
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| BCMM | trumee: also, does KDE-PIM have opensync integration? or do you just tell opensync where KDE keeps the vcards? | 00:32 |
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| PerfDave | Is there a SIP video client like Ekiga for the N900? | 00:32 |
| trumee | BCMM: opensync writes out vcf file which kaddressbook reads | 00:32 |
| Netrum | is there an xterminal text editor installed on the n900 by default ? | 00:32 |
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| pupnik_ | vi | 00:32 |
| trumee | BCMM: it is seamless | 00:32 |
| Netrum | Thank you :) | 00:33 |
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| AakashPatel | Yoyo | 00:33 |
| AakashPatel | So I was thinkin about buying a N series phone again | 00:34 |
| AakashPatel | Should I just wait for the N910? | 00:34 |
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| AakashPatel | Or is there anything leaked yet about it | 00:34 |
| trumee | BCMM: later. got to go. | 00:35 |
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| Netrum | AakashPatel, go for the n900 m8 :) | 00:35 |
| AakashPatel | I already had one but sold it lol | 00:36 |
| AakashPatel | lol nokian910.com | 00:36 |
| AakashPatel | hah | 00:36 |
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| * AakashPatel will wait a week more | 00:36 | |
| AakashPatel | lets see if thats legit or not | 00:36 |
| Netrum | you should wait for the N8 then :) its symbian 3. but with full qt 4.6.2 support :) | 00:36 |
| Dima202 | what tha may 8th? | 00:37 |
| jaska | .. symbian | 00:37 |
| lirakis | nice.. i see nexus one advert on nokian910.com | 00:37 |
| AakashPatel | oh hell naw | 00:37 |
| AakashPatel | im not using symbian | 00:37 |
| AakashPatel | :v | 00:37 |
| Dima202 | I don't even care, I'm not upgrading for at least 2 years.. I am already attached to my N900 | 00:37 |
| tybollt | huh | 00:38 |
| AakashPatel | lirakis: I see one on ever phone maker site lol | 00:38 |
| tybollt | n910? | 00:38 |
| tybollt | wtf? | 00:38 |
| AakashPatel | phone related site8 | 00:38 |
| doc|home | I can't even get an n900 :( | 00:38 |
| tybollt | doc|home: you donät WANT an n910 | 00:38 |
| tybollt | n900, even | 00:38 |
| doc|home | tybollt: why? | 00:38 |
| * AakashPatel does | 00:38 | |
| lirakis | the only thing i wish the n900 had, is more ram | 00:38 |
| AakashPatel | how much does it hav | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | e | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | i forgot | 00:39 |
| vanadismobile | and more cpu-power | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | 256 o.O | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | oh my | 00:39 |
| lirakis | top shows ~256mg | 00:39 |
| doc|home | you know what I have now? This piece of junk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_SLVR_L2 | 00:39 |
| lirakis | *mb | 00:39 |
| Netrum | if they release a sequel to the awesome n900 i wont buy it. :) Because really the n900 is near perfect :) (my opinion may not be on terms with that others think) | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | it runs pretty good | 00:39 |
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| lirakis | vanadismobile, (shrug) yeah if it had a snapdragon 1ghz thatd be nice... but it can overclock.. and it runs pretty well as is. | 00:39 |
| AakashPatel | Does Maemo 5 have a good mulitprotocal chat client yet? | 00:39 |
| lirakis | i think more ram would make it snappier overall | 00:40 |
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| vanadismobile | lirakis, jep, running at 800mhz is better | 00:40 |
| lirakis | Netrum, the n900 is the last gamble i make with nokia | 00:41 |
| vanadismobile | AakashPatel, which protocols do you want? | 00:41 |
| Netrum | lirakis, how is that m8? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | as always and each time: if you consider getting the N900 and you like what you see, then get it. Do *not* expect it to become more than it's now, and don't waste the time you could be having fun by waiting for N910xx whatever | 00:41 |
| AakashPatel | Facebook mainly | 00:41 |
| AakashPatel | oh wait | 00:41 |
| AakashPatel | they made it support jabber now | 00:41 |
| AakashPatel | does the chat client in maemo support jabber? | 00:41 |
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| lirakis | Netrum, i dont have an m8 | 00:41 |
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| Netrum | lirakis, so your basicly just watching nokia atm. too see if they screw up again? | 00:42 |
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| frals | AakashPatel: eh, maemo5 had a "good" multiprotocol chat client from start | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah lirakis is the cute guy who plans to report bugs to bugtrac about flaws in a leaked deprecated inofficial OS version | 00:44 |
| Netrum | aha :) | 00:44 |
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| AakashPatel | which didnt support fb chat back in jan | 00:45 |
| AakashPatel | now it does since fb added jabber | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure some of my bugs weren't less important. | 00:45 |
| frals | pretty sure there was a fb plugin for it back then but i wont swear on it | 00:45 |
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| AakashPatel | there wasnt | 00:45 |
| AakashPatel | ther was a plugin for contacts or something | 00:45 |
| AakashPatel | i forgot | 00:45 |
| AakashPatel | little while back | 00:45 |
| AakashPatel | XD | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9827 | 00:46 |
| povbot | Bug 9827: Blocks should have highscore | 00:46 |
| mece | Pretty pointless with fb plugin since they use xmpp.. | 00:46 |
| mece | search tmo for facebook and jabber and you'll find instructions. | 00:46 |
| AakashPatel | rofl SpeedEvil | 00:47 |
| AakashPatel | mece: well yeah they only added that like 2 months ago | 00:47 |
| mece | Speedevil, Voted. | 00:48 |
| mece | AakashPatel, and a good move it was. If I was on facebook I'd be thrilled :D | 00:48 |
| mece | anyway, I'm off to watch some tv. Toodles. | 00:48 |
| AakashPatel | Truth | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 01:23 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 01:23 |
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| frals | awesome: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=639307&postcount=1 | 01:23 |
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| frals | "you hate the leak because its chinese" | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Anybody want to translate the last line? | 01:26 |
| GAN900 | Clearly there are some cultural insecurities there. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, it might get worse | 01:26 |
| b-man | rofl | 01:27 |
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| b-man | hmmm, google translate cant translate that last line xDDD | 01:29 |
| tybollt | frals: what's this n910 thing? Dom skämtar oss aprillo eller? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't google translate need a hint about which lang it is? | 01:29 |
| AakashPatel | duh lol | 01:29 |
| AakashPatel | cuz its in latin letters | 01:29 |
| b-man | unless he's pronouncing the language | 01:29 |
| AakashPatel | he is | 01:29 |
| frals | tybollt: mm | 01:29 |
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| AakashPatel | It would have to be in native 'letters?' for google tran to work | 01:30 |
| b-man | hey AkashPatel :) | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | yo dawg | 01:30 |
| b-man | what's up :) | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | waiting for a movie to download lol | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | \ | 01:30 |
| AakashPatel | you? | 01:31 |
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| b-man | playing with ubuntu on my n900 again | 01:31 |
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| b-man | failing miserably :( | 01:31 |
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| b-man | but my plan B is to use the mer imager ;P | 01:32 |
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| FIQ | hmm | 01:34 |
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| FIQ | why am I unable to change keyb layout? | 01:34 |
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| FIQ | i recently played with the rx-51, will editing it incorrectly result in that? | 01:35 |
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| FIQ | if it's that, then i go reset it | 01:35 |
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| FIQ | hmm | 01:36 |
| FIQ | nvm, i spotted the error | 01:36 |
| FIQ | btw | 01:39 |
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| FIQ | about PR1.2 | 01:41 |
| FIQ | hold down keys makes it possible to use symbols | 01:41 |
| FIQ | will that be possible to turn off? | 01:41 |
| FIQ | because i prefer holding them down = spawn more chars | 01:42 |
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| frals | yes | 01:42 |
| FIQ | ah, nice | 01:42 |
| frals | theres a gconfkey for it at least | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke gconf | 01:44 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M! | 01:44 | |
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| frals | FIQ: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421#c26 | 01:44 |
| povbot | Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | a really idiotic one | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | As a configurable - I'm not against it | 01:45 |
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| GAN900 | Damned BP | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | BP? | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | british petrol? | 01:54 |
| lardman|home | night chaps | 01:54 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, aye, big oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. | 01:56 |
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| GAN900 | No seafood for me this Summer. | 01:57 |
| lcukn900 | gan, will it kill all the aliens | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-( | 02:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer opens a can of cheap tuna | 02:12 | |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer: happy Hg intake! | 02:14 |
| lcukn900 | fiddlesticks | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Tuna has historically had higher than expected Hg levels. | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a recent phonemoneon | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | phenomeneo | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | that word | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Analysis of samples from museum fish have the same high Hg | 02:17 |
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| njsf | SpeedEvil: I know, its because they are at the top of the food chain | 02:19 |
| njsf | That does not take from the fact tuna has the the highest Hg of the commonly commercialized fishes | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | burp | 02:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels mecurized | 02:24 | |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer: now you can tell your temperature :-D ? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:24 |
| njsf | (yeah I know, juvenile joke) | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | it's spellec mercurized | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | spelled* | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, I missed a char, you swapped one :-P | 02:27 |
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| javispedro | Guys can someone help me SPEED UP my N900 with PR1.2??? I'm a total newbie. Just send me some links!! | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably it's really silly to have all the amalgam removed in your teeth and then eat tuna a can a time. But hey I love fish and all seafood | 02:30 |
| * njsf is wanting to test the kicking as per the topic :D | 02:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | errr..... | 02:30 |
| * javispedro has diplomatic immunity ... or so he thinks. | 02:31 | |
| * FIQ wants to try it too | 02:31 | |
| * DocScrutinizer stares buffled | 02:31 | |
| FIQ | but the topic fails | 02:31 |
| njsf | So... I guess I am free to ask ? | 02:31 |
| FIQ | as PR1.2 is released in HK | 02:31 |
| njsf | :) | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | baffled? | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (friggin mercury) | 02:32 |
| javispedro | what did you eat, a thermometer? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tuna | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm told it has enough Hg for ten thermometers | 02:33 |
| javispedro | next time put it on a microwave for a quick test | 02:33 |
| njsf | I prefer the infrared meters personally | 02:33 |
| lcukn900 | is anyone in hk? has anyone tried the HWR app and how does it compare to hwr on other platforms? | 02:33 |
| njsf | then again, by heritage I love cod, which is the only other fish that might be worse than tuna wrt Hg | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, no idea what's codfish | 02:35 |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer: Are you from PA ? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA? | 02:36 |
| njsf | You are connected to a Pennsylvania node, that is why I ask | 02:36 |
| chem|st | FIQ: no it will be released in 3days | 02:37 |
| lcukn900 | ooooops i think i broke brainstorm | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw google has some pics of codfish, still it's kinda unknown to me | 02:37 |
| FIQ | ahh | 02:37 |
| FIQ | nvm then | 02:37 |
| frals | lcukn900: you killed kenny! bastard! | 02:37 |
| frals | ;) | 02:37 |
| FIQ | the only thing I associates PA with is "PA: Ding dong! Your time's up. Go back to the entrance" | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf: nah, freenode server arbitration works highly at random | 02:37 |
| lcukn900 | frals rly | 02:38 |
| lcukn900 | i clicked the upvote | 02:38 |
| lcukn900 | it asked me to login | 02:38 |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer: Not surprised, at this point cod is so expensive only cultures with heavy emotional association consume it | 02:38 |
| frals | lcukn900: oh no, dont tell me you logged in after that! | 02:38 |
| lcukn900 | now whenever i refresh the page it upvotes again | 02:38 |
| FIQ | nice bug | 02:39 |
| Macer | ugh | 02:39 |
| Macer | this sucks on so many levels | 02:39 |
| Macer | need to pull out a wifi card to see what kind it is :) damn you win7! | 02:39 |
| lcukn900 | its the moderator forum one | 02:39 |
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| lcukn900 | can you just have a peek and see if im showing lots | 02:39 |
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| njsf | DocScrutinizer: Look for a Portuguese restaurant if you want to try some. Recommend "braz" or "gomes sa" as for cod fish dishes | 02:39 |
| lcukn900 | it has activity list under the brainstorm | 02:39 |
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| Macer | ugh | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | njsf: thanks | 02:40 |
| frals | lol lcukn900 | 02:41 |
| javispedro | lcuk: yes | 02:41 |
| frals | your showing lots :D | 02:41 |
| lcukn900 | yes? | 02:41 |
| frals | s/your/youre | 02:41 |
| lcukn900 | oooh crap | 02:41 |
| frals | last 5 are all you | 02:41 |
| javispedro | it's showing you upvoting numerous times | 02:41 |
| lcukn900 | i havent got typing ability to fill out a big bug | 02:41 |
| javispedro | but vote count is 4 | 02:41 |
| javispedro | so no big problem | 02:41 |
| lcukn900 | thats still crap | 02:41 |
| lcukn900 | technically | 02:42 |
| lcukn900 | cos i havent | 02:42 |
| javispedro | yes but at least you're not tricking the system =) | 02:42 |
| lcukn900 | i just refreshed | 02:42 |
| johnsu01 | is the gps between n810 and n900 different? | 02:42 |
| javispedro | 4 votes | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it is | 02:42 |
| javispedro | johnsu01: a lot | 02:42 |
| lcukn900 | yes john. 900 seems more rapid/stable to start | 02:42 |
| johnsu01 | asking because I got minigpsd to install (fixed the dependency changes) but I have no idea if it's possible to get it to actually work on the n900 | 02:43 |
| johnsu01 | right now I can telnet to it and get time info but no position | 02:43 |
| javispedro | probably not as the n900 doesn't have the same device nodes? where did minigpsd get its info from? | 02:43 |
| johnsu01 | javispedro: trying to figure that out from the source now | 02:44 |
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| johnsu01 | it might be looking for a /var/lib/gps/gps_driver_ctrl | 02:44 |
| javispedro | johnsu01: either way on the n900 you're supposed to use liblocation -- and you get nice features like cell tower positioning when the gps is offline/without a lock | 02:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer seems to remember a bug ticket "N900 GPS doesn't report NMEA" | 02:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ack | 02:45 |
| johnsu01 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, NMEA is what I'm after | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: not sure if N900 supports it | 02:46 |
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| johnsu01 | javispedro: apparently there's no liblocation => nmea yet, and liblocation maybe doesn't provide enough info for complete NMEA | 02:46 |
| javispedro | oh i'm pretty sure you can simulate the missing data | 02:46 |
| javispedro | prove is that I have here a NMEA simulator (GNU/Linux) that accepts utm coords as input | 02:47 |
| javispedro | *proof. | 02:47 |
| johnsu01 | DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8905 is the bug report | 02:47 |
| povbot | Bug 8905: No NMEA output from GPS | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder if we ever get the datasheets for GSM/GPS chipset API | 02:47 |
| FIQ | is KDE usable on N900 | 02:47 |
| FIQ | ? | 02:47 |
| FIQ | -enter | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | what docs are the phonet guys using? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: lol | 02:48 |
| FIQ | i'm not going for plasma lol, but there's nice KDE applications out there like Kate, Konversation, etc | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, KDE is Qt based aiui | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe it's not that hard to port KDE apps to hildon | 02:49 |
| javispedro | hildon is gtk based =) | 02:49 |
| johnsu01 | well i guess I better give up on this idea for now | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnah | 02:49 |
| johnsu01 | I was trying to get the n900 working as an external gps for my laptop | 02:50 |
| javispedro | johnsu01: it shouldn't be horribly hard to make a liblocation -> nmea proxy | 02:50 |
| lcukn900 | bugzilla, why of why wont you let me create a new bug based on a similar one i found - i have to pick select all options | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | is liblocation open? guess no | 02:50 |
| johnsu01 | there is a gypsy-daemon package | 02:50 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, but why you need liblocation source to make a client for it :) | 02:50 |
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| johnsu01 | but it doesn't seem to do anything | 02:51 |
| FIQ | Hmm | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | just wondering if maybe liblocation is a NMEA->liblocAPI in itself, I.E. maybe the modem talks NMEA | 02:51 |
| javispedro | either way I kinda remember a talk conversation or wiki page about this.. but can't find it now. | 02:51 |
| FIQ | The fact that N810 seems to have full KDE working shows that just porting some applications wouldn't be that hard | 02:52 |
| johnsu01 | yeah, minigpsd seems to just be looking for that gps ctrl file from the | 02:53 |
| johnsu01 | n810 | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: maybe check gpsjinni | 02:54 |
| johnsu01 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, was investigating that along the way | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: mmpf, actually gpsjinni wasn't the one I thought of | 02:56 |
| johnsu01 | it just uses the liblocation api | 02:56 |
| * ShadowJK thought gpsd outputs nmea | 02:57 | |
| johnsu01 | ShadowJK: it does, but there is no gpsd on n900 | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: location test gui | 02:59 |
| javispedro | location test gui, obviously, uses liblocation :) | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it seems to show at least all the info you can get from libloc | 03:00 |
| javispedro | I'm trying to understand where does location-daemon get it data from, but all I get is unbinded unix sockets :( | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | is liblocation open? guess no | 03:00 |
| javispedro | no | 03:00 |
| javispedro | contains "patented" technology | 03:00 |
| javispedro | or sth | 03:00 |
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| javispedro | (tbh google's "liblocation" isn't open either) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it accesses GSM chipset shared mem interface, like phonet - my guess | 03:01 |
| javispedro | probably. | 03:02 |
| javispedro | aha | 03:03 |
| javispedro | one of the unbinded sockets is PF_NETLINK, SOCK_RAW | 03:03 |
| javispedro | bad stuff. | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 03:04 |
| satmd | my n900 decides to share only the onboard emmc, but not the memory card via usb? does anyone have a suggestion for me? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 03:04 |
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| javispedro | (I guess over the phonet interface | 03:04 |
| javispedro | ) | 03:04 |
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| javispedro | my strace is too old to understand this =) | 03:06 |
| javispedro | (me too btw... ) | 03:06 |
| lcukn900 | satmd it should afaik? | 03:07 |
| lcukn900 | reboot and see and check it works normally after testing | 03:07 |
| satmd | alright, rebooting... | 03:08 |
| satmd | I already made sure no software is keeping the partition busy | 03:08 |
| satmd | using lsof | 03:08 |
| lcukn900 | is it a new card? | 03:08 |
| satmd | no | 03:09 |
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| satmd | it's been working some time ago | 03:09 |
| lcukn900 | so you are used to seeing it appear on usb? | 03:09 |
| satmd | yeah | 03:09 |
| lcukn900 | how odd then | 03:09 |
| satmd | but I had a few reflashings in between | 03:09 |
| lcukn900 | mm? | 03:10 |
| satmd | reflashing of emmc and rootfs | 03:10 |
| satmd | reboot done, it mounted the internal device again | 03:10 |
| lcukn900 | does it work internally? | 03:10 |
| satmd | internally? | 03:11 |
| lcukn900 | which versions have you been flashing? | 03:11 |
| satmd | latest | 03:11 |
| lcukn900 | yeah on device itself | 03:11 |
| satmd | just last week | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | latest 1.2? | 03:11 |
| satmd | 1.2 is out? | 03:11 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 03:11 |
| njsf_ | satmd: not according to topic on the channel ;) | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | leaked version that some people have some problems with | 03:12 |
| satmd | I chose the latest official images off the nokia site | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | so it's not official release yet | 03:12 |
| satmd | then I'm 1.1.x | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | but nokia already sells 1.2 devices in HK | 03:12 |
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| lcukn900 | ok satmd is the card visible in file manager on the device | 03:12 |
| lcukn900 | unplug usb | 03:12 |
| Termana | good morning | 03:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders kicking jacekowski | 03:12 | |
| lcukn900 | oh you have the back on the device i assume | 03:12 |
| satmd | visible if unplugged | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | satmd: it's ussualy when some programs have files open on card | 03:13 |
| lcukn900 | mornin termana | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | satmd: have you tried rebooting it? | 03:13 |
| satmd | we have | 03:13 |
| satmd | and I also used lsof to check that | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | we? | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | explain "we" | 03:13 |
| satmd | we as in 'we had that suggestion before' ;) | 03:13 |
| lcukn900 | satmd if it vanishes and appears as expected at tablet end it sounds like your desktop end is the weaklink right now? | 03:14 |
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| satmd | mh. | 03:14 |
| satmd | standard linux desktop | 03:14 |
| * satmd gets an idea | 03:15 | |
| jacekowski | "standard" | 03:15 |
| lcukn900 | i know lol but look at whats happening.. | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | try checking with dmesg | 03:15 |
| satmd | it says 'Images not available' shortly after connecting | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | if it's detecting it | 03:15 |
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| satmd | it is detecting ... the emmc instead of the sdhc card | 03:15 |
| johnsu01 | DocScrutinizer, javispedro: Yeah, searching turns up a lot of people saying "it shouldn't be too hard to write liblocation => gpsd..." ;) | 03:15 |
| jacekowski | so what does it say in dmesg? | 03:15 |
| satmd | [ 266.576446] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1in for bulk IN, maxpacket 512 | 03:16 |
| satmd | [ 266.576477] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1out for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512 | 03:16 |
| satmd | [ 266.576538] g_file_storage gadget: high speed config #1 | 03:16 |
| javispedro | HOST dmesg. | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | not on a phone | 03:16 |
| satmd | oh | 03:16 |
| satmd | mh | 03:16 |
| satmd | weird | 03:16 |
| * satmd gets a feeling about filesystem labels | 03:17 | |
| * satmd has something to try | 03:17 | |
| jacekowski | i feel diseased | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr musb_hdrc | 03:17 |
| satmd | alright... it is exporting both | 03:17 |
| satmd | and both end up on the host | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ? | 03:18 |
| satmd | but... *drumroll* | 03:18 |
| satmd | gnome is confused about duplicate filesystem labels, I guess | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ??? | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | ?????? | 03:19 |
| lcukn900 | satmd meh it happens | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: my special 'friend', Mentor pile of steaming BS | 03:19 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: awwww, it works pretty well on beagleboard | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | what's a problem with it? | 03:20 |
| javispedro | the n900 fsckup must be caused by some weirdo interaction with this weird setup | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing hostmode | 03:20 |
| javispedro | every time I read it the less I understand WHY it works. | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: welcome to the club :-S | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Declare it magic and burn it for a witch! | 03:21 |
| satmd | seems the n900 is exporting both with the same label :< | 03:21 |
| javispedro | sometimes I think... does the schematic resemble ANYTHING the device I got in my hands? | 03:21 |
| jacekowski | btw. is there any schematic avaliable for n900? | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: search wiki | 03:22 |
| lcukn900 | satmd mmh odd | 03:22 |
| * lcukn900 sleeps anywa | 03:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | n900_hardware_schematic IIRC | 03:22 |
| javispedro | satmd: the n900 doesn't get to decided the label; you can set it | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | how accurate is it? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | satmd: you mean filesystem/partition label? | 03:22 |
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| satmd | where can I set it - besides within bluetooth settings? | 03:22 |
| satmd | yes | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: DocScrutinizer said he saw no differneces when he pulled his phone apart | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: compare http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ to the pics in schematics ;-) | 03:22 |
| javispedro | satmd: you can use your host for that | 03:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: however - his seems to be different to mine - the gold pads definately differ in my device. | 03:23 |
| javispedro | satmd: use usual linux relabeling tools (for vfat volume = mlabel) | 03:23 |
| * satmd lacked dosfstools | 03:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: are the gold pads the same on your new one? | 03:23 |
| satmd | mmh, those don't include mlabel | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, it's the same | 03:24 |
| javispedro | satmd: if you're sure that's the issue, you could also just pop the card on your average sd reader and rename it, or even use windows. | 03:24 |
| javispedro | satmd: "mtools" package in debian | 03:24 |
| satmd | alright, trying this | 03:24 |
| Psi | hi, you guys might know this. I want to buy a bluetooth serial module for my n900 (or any cellphone) to provide a serial port. If the bluetooth serial module says SPP (seral port profile) does that mean it will work with any phone that also says it supports bluetooth SPP | 03:24 |
| Psi | ie, is SPP a bluetooth standard | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand, yes. | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | there's difference between "client" and "server" though | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Psi: | 03:25 |
| Psi | ya | 03:25 |
| * javispedro watches the delicate surface mounted usb port and shudders | 03:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | Psi: 'all' GPS modules implement this | 03:25 |
| ShadowJK | but on n900 you've got access to rfcomm utility anyway | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | i'm feeling tempted to get logic analuzer | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | analyzer* | 03:26 |
| Psi | SpeedEvil: interestingly thats one of the things i want to do | 03:26 |
| Psi | bluetooth serial port module --> serial gps module | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | why - when you can buy GPSs? | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | why not a bluetooth gps module.. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | that have GPS | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | bluetooth | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=bluetooth%20gps&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories | 03:27 |
| javispedro | did anyone identify the isp1707 there? | 03:27 |
| Psi | thats just one of the things i want to do | 03:27 |
| Psi | will have other things on the serial bus | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? | 03:27 |
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| Psi | so they need to be seporate modules | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/80-DISCOUNT-51-CHANNEL-GPS-BLUETOOTH-RECEIVER-BNIB-/230469516608?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET&hash=item35a90dbd40 | 03:27 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: in the high res photos | 03:27 |
| Psi | gps needs to be true 10hz | 03:28 |
| * Psi looks at that one | 03:28 | |
| javispedro | I can see gaia, but I don't know where the isp1707 is or what it does look like. | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Psi: If you do your research carefully, you can find devices with seperate GPS and bluetooth devices. | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I stared on it with my own eyes ;-P | 03:28 |
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| Psi | SpeedEvil: true | 03:28 |
| Psi | well thanks for your help, ill keep looking into this | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Psi: | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-USB-Bluetooth-Interface-GPS-Module-Demo-Board-/220596428264?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335c925de8 | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and I'd hope my scans are good enough you could read the 1707 writing on the chip yourself | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | the bluetooth module is seperate from the GPS | 03:29 |
| Psi | hm.. | 03:29 |
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| satmd | mhm | 03:33 |
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| Macer | :) | 03:36 |
| Macer | i'm going to install kde in windows | 03:36 |
| Macer | haha | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: "707A" - clearly readable, next to maincam, a little left and down | 03:38 |
| javispedro | aha, was having my doubts about that one :P | 03:38 |
| * chem|st is tired and falls asleep | 03:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: directly under the battery contacts | 03:39 |
| javispedro | ta, got it. | 03:39 |
| satmd | is the sdhc supposed to be partitioned or is the filesystem usually on the whole disk? | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | one partition usuallu | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | uaually | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | oh I give up :) | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the n900 mountscripts want to find a dos partition | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aiui there are two basically different ways a SD can be formatted: either with partition(s) or in superfloppy mode | 03:42 |
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| ShadowJK | under linux I just use entire device :) | 03:43 |
| satmd | now the n900 says broken memory card. great. | 03:44 |
| satmd | so it was not supposed to be partitioned | 03:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the nasty part is: a partitioned one with corrupt MBR/partition-table might get recognized as a superfloppy, and that's first step to *really* mangle it | 03:45 |
| javispedro | satmd: I can assure you I have a particolored SD Card. | 03:46 |
| javispedro | hum.. partitioned will do, spell checker, thanks. | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict particolored | 03:46 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'particolored' (1 of 3): Colored with different tints; variegated; as, a party-colored flower. "Parti-colored lambs." --Shak. [1913 Webster]. | 03:46 |
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| javispedro | nice to know :) | 03:47 |
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| satmd | seem to have fixed it with mkfs.vfat -F32 -n sdhc -I /dev/sdX | 03:47 |
| satmd | now it's named sdhc and nokia n900 | 03:48 |
| satmd | better than before | 03:48 |
| satmd | :) | 03:48 |
| * javispedro now remembers that you can change filesystem labels from within the n900 file manager | 03:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | that sounds to me like superfloppy format | 03:48 |
| satmd | thanks all :) | 03:49 |
| javispedro | for future reference, long tap on the memory card in the memory manager =) sorry! | 03:49 |
| satmd | DocScrutinizer: it is | 03:49 |
| satmd | because my n900 told me the card was corrupt otherwise | 03:50 |
| * satmd tries again | 03:50 | |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so what's happening with that usb? | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: hmm, no problems here with a 16GB partitoned VFAT/ext3/swap | 03:51 |
| satmd | on the sdhc? | 03:51 |
| satmd | weird | 03:51 |
| satmd | maybe needs a reboot | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ? | 03:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm looking at datasheet for similiar chip to that in n900 and at circuit diagram of n900 | 03:52 |
| javispedro | for a start, the datasheet talks about an ID pi | 03:52 |
| javispedro | n | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: after sfdisk changing partition table, you *must* remove and reinsert the uSD | 03:52 |
| javispedro | that is connected from usb port to gaia/twl3040 | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or at least open and close the backlid | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: which datasheet? | 03:53 |
| javispedro | s/datasheet/schematic | 03:53 |
| javispedro | sorrrrrrrry again. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know, and I'm sure it's correct but highly useless | 03:54 |
| javispedro | but this makes me move to another question -- isp1707a also has an id pin, but even schematic says id pin was connected directly to twl3040 | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | as there are no B-jacks with ID short to GND | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 1707 ID pin is at 3V3 | 03:54 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: if you read that isp1707 or similiar chip datasheet it says | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 03:55 |
| satmd | mh | 03:55 |
| jacekowski | For OTG applications, the ID (identification) pin is connected to the ID pin of the micro-AB | 03:55 |
| jacekowski | receptacle. As defined in On-The-Go Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification Rev. 1.3, | 03:55 |
| jacekowski | the ID pin dictates the initial role of the link. If ID is detected as HIGH, the link must | 03:55 |
| jacekowski | assume the role of a peripheral. If ID is detected as LOW, the link must assume a host | 03:55 |
| javispedro | for non otg -- 3v3 | 03:56 |
| jacekowski | role. Roles can be swapped at a later time by using HNP. | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yesyesyes | 03:56 |
| jacekowski | HNP - host negotiation protocol | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | we're not interested in OTG | 03:56 |
| johnsu01 | it doesn't really help that people call liblocation gpsd | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even less in HNP | 03:56 |
| jacekowski | isn't that OTG thing? | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | If you read it again, you'll see that that's all done on the USB MAC - the phy does not do anything with the ID pin, but report it to the USB MAC | 03:57 |
| javispedro | that would make sense. | 03:57 |
| satmd | mhm | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and again, we're not interested in the ID pin | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's merely a way to distinguish A-plugs from B-plugs | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | but we have no AB-receptacle, ergo no A-plugs on a B-receptacle | 03:58 |
| javispedro | yeah, I'm just trying to guess how it ever worked. | 03:59 |
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| javispedro | isp1707 is plugged via ulpi to 3430, but the driver _as shipped with the N900_ is expecting a 3040 on the other side. | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and even IF we ever were interested in ID, then we easily read out from TWL4030 | 04:00 |
| * satmd gets the feeling to totally have fscked up | 04:00 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: current driver is already sampling it! | 04:00 |
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| satmd | there's files I KNOW I deleted reappearing | 04:00 |
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| javispedro | in fact, grounding it would already switch musb to host mode... | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's the point where I shouted "screw that" and gave up | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (driver not for 1707 that is) | 04:01 |
| javispedro | so the question is: if gadget mode works with isp1707 with twl3040 driver, would switching modes work too? was this ever prepared -- did they made a 1707 driver then noticed wasn't needed because 3040 was "compatible enough", did they never made a 1707 specific driver? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I guess TWL4030 and 1707 are highly compatible due to the UPLI | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, probably | 04:03 |
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| * javispedro would imagine "they ran out of time for 1707 driver then couldn't ask usb-if for we'll-fix-it-later compliance" | 04:03 | |
| satmd | haha, formatted the wrong disk | 04:03 |
| satmd | -.- | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly, javispedro | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | satmd: ohhh ferengi!!! | 04:04 |
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| satmd | mmh | 04:04 |
| javispedro | another issue is that the twl3040 seems that everything is rather automated -- I guess the hw itself does something depending on id pin while the isp1707 does not (this would explain the fact that the twl3040 driver is rather simple but the beagleboard works ok with it) | 04:05 |
| satmd | the only file missing now... is qf | 04:05 |
| satmd | which seems to have survived on the sdhc | 04:05 |
| satmd | fun. | 04:05 |
| Mace_N900 | ok. i am seriously staring to hate the method i need to use in order to use my bt keyboard | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the 1707 would do if the ID pin was connected | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 04:06 |
| Mace_N900 | it makes me feel ghetto heh | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | but anyway we can force 1707 into host mode via the interface | 04:06 |
| javispedro | so I guess the current method of just trying to understand why musb_hdrc forced host mode works OK. | 04:08 |
| javispedro | *doesn't work is OK. | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jup | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope so | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | though of course it would be nice to replace the twl4030 phy defines by the correct 1707 defines (or .h or whatever) | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for the ID pin of course | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and also except of the VBUS control | 04:10 |
| javispedro | even if it somehow tried to configure the 1707 like if it was a 4030, the driver should enter a confused state and not just refuse to acknowledge host mode.. | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ID pin stays TWL4030 | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | VBUS has to become something completely different# | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably some chatting with bme | 04:11 |
| javispedro | vbus is connected to twl4030 and also miraculously works fine | 04:11 |
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| javispedro | (driver uses twl4030 for sampling it too) | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | VBUS *probing* can stay with 4030 or go to 1707. VBUS *generation* is bme domain | 04:12 |
| javispedro | ack | 04:13 |
| javispedro | yesterday's i2cset cmd, which device was that trying to talk with? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 | 04:14 |
| * javispedro welcomes it to the party | 04:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aka USB Charger Chip | 04:14 |
| javispedro | but probably under strict control of bme | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the problem here | 04:14 |
| satmd | alright, everything working again, thanks all who helped me :) | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme oisn't deaigned to handle VBUS-hostmode, I guess | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | freggles | 04:15 |
| jacekowski | how is it supposed to provide 5v for it | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't designed* | 04:15 |
| javispedro | particolored! | 04:15 |
| Funnyface | on my nokia N900's I have something that looks like cracks near the bottom right corner of the screen, is that normal, e.g. the backlight just showing through the screen, or is it actually a crack? | 04:16 |
| Funnyface | I haven't dropped my phone yet so there's no reason it should be there | 04:16 |
| jacekowski | it's probably a crack | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bq24150 is supposed to do that | 04:17 |
| Funnyface | thing is, it is showing up worse all the time | 04:17 |
| Funnyface | my neighbour's N900 also has something similar but in other spots :p | 04:17 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to get one of these tea like anti flu things | 04:19 |
| jacekowski | and then i'll go to sleep | 04:19 |
| jacekowski | so good night | 04:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: bme is a real PITA | 04:20 |
| Dima202 | I was extracting easy debian image and my time says 8,35 when in fact it is not 9,20. Possible it will recover or what? | 04:20 |
| Dima202 | not i mean now* | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dima202: hclock --hwtosys | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hwclock even | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply start GPS | 04:22 |
| javispedro | gnite | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | should fix the time | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nite | 04:22 |
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| Dima202 | I'll give it another hour... | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect he meant the device has been frozen for almost an hour | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 04:26 |
| infobot | somebody said xyawn was coffee | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 04:26 |
| ShadowJK | although once I encountered a proper IO deadlock too :) | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | which resulted in random things freezing forever | 04:29 |
| ShadowJK | and some things responding fine. | 04:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if it's correct we should get a N900 #include instead of the twl4030 and/or 1707 include, for the musb-core | 04:29 | |
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| Funnyface | grr ok I am so soon going to reflash my N900.. | 04:33 |
| Funnyface | now the screen calibration tool won't work anymore.. heh | 04:33 |
| Funnyface | after one click, it exits | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | it's fixed in 1.2 | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 04:33 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck, 1.2 is a virus | 04:34 |
| Mace_N900 | wtf | 04:34 |
| Funnyface | which reminds me, I was going to ask, is there anyone out there that approves whatever is being put up on the reposies? | 04:35 |
| Funnyface | or can anyone upload anything they like.. | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | to *-devel mostly no warranty whatsoever | 04:35 |
| lcuk | everything on maemo.org extras servers goes through extensive peer review prior to inclusion | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | testing gets better, extras is checked | 04:36 |
| lcuk | the other -devel and -testing repositories are a bit wild west and pot luck | 04:36 |
| Funnyface | yeah on my next reflash I am not even going to include those | 04:36 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonably sane :) | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 04:37 |
| lcuk | people generally include them for a specific app | 04:37 |
| lcuk | but end up forgetting | 04:37 |
| Funnyface | yeah well, some day I noticed that there were updates for xchat, vnc and.. something else, I think it might have been transmission, all from the same user | 04:37 |
| Funnyface | which sounded a bit fishy to me | 04:37 |
| lcuk | nahh | 04:38 |
| Funnyface | all were in extrasdevel | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ending up with bleeding edge versions of roundabout everything | 04:38 |
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| Dima202 | Do you think we will get dual cores on phones within 3-4 years? | 04:53 |
| asj | if not sooner? you could argue the n900 is almost dual core | 04:55 |
| Dima202 | How is N900 "almost" dual core? | 04:56 |
| Dima202 | no hyperthreading or anything | 04:56 |
| asj | it has 2 cpus | 04:56 |
| njsf_ | 1 is almost 2 ? :) | 04:56 |
| asj | just need to bring them closer together :) | 04:56 |
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| njsf_ | asj: are you talking about the OMAP DSP ? | 04:57 |
| asj | njsf_: what ever is running the radio | 04:57 |
| njsf_ | that is special purpose processor, cannot ever be considered as another general purpose core | 04:57 |
| njsf_ | but yes, it is useful | 04:58 |
| asj | njsf_: but wait, the main would be getting rid of that and taking care of the radio with the 2nd core, plus giving left over cpu power to the system when required | 04:58 |
| njsf_ | even more useful would be a more recent driver for the SGX graphics | 04:58 |
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| njsf_ | asj: it is a difficult replacement. specialized DSP can be more effective than general cores taking much more power. in a mobile device, specialized DSP and Graphics makes sense | 04:59 |
| njsf_ | if it is integrated on the CPU chip better, but that is not the point | 05:00 |
| asj | njsf_: it would be interesting study to see. The dsp isn't exactly a small cpu either based on the code size of 4-5 megs | 05:01 |
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| asj | well it's not running a small code base anyways | 05:01 |
| ShadowJK | neon runs parallell with the arm core too :) | 05:02 |
| ShadowJK | but they share instruction issue unit iirc | 05:02 |
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| njsf_ | ShadowJK: that makes some sense in a cache / bus management perspective | 05:03 |
| njsf_ | but their instructions are routed differently, so they go to 2 different portions of the chiip | 05:04 |
| ShadowJK | obviously they'll wait for eachother if they touch same data or if there's a dependency | 05:05 |
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| njsf_ | Which is fine, since the programmer would have to take care of that when coding the DSP anyway | 05:12 |
| N900evil | I wonder how mch more power neon uses - if it's used occasionally | 05:15 |
| N900evil | might some stuff do with disabling at compile | 05:15 |
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| N900evil | e.g. waking up neon to do 200us of work... | 05:16 |
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| Dima202 | HMMM 2 Hours now extracting this debian iso | 05:25 |
| Dima202 | I don't know ... | 05:25 |
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| b-man | Dima202: i think it's dead | 05:30 |
| Dima202 | It's telling me i have mail the led is blinking i have new mail | 05:31 |
| Dima202 | But otherwise it's pretty much unresponsive | 05:31 |
| Dima202 | How long does it usually take to extract debian iso? | 05:32 |
| b-man | for me only a few minutes | 05:32 |
| Dima202 | Alright then I think this shall be my 3rd restart :( I hate doing it | 05:33 |
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| raster | ShadowJK: correct. though you pay a 20 cycle penalty getting stuff from neon -> arm (eg mov neon-reg -> arm reg) | 05:38 |
| raster | but yes - the neon unit will happily execute in parallel otherwise | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mooo | 05:39 |
| raster | excetp that it shares the same cache lines and memory access lines as the arm core | 05:39 |
| raster | and same instruction decoder | 05:39 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 05:39 |
| raster | the cool bit about that is | 05:39 |
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| raster | other than sharing memory bandwidht (and u share it no matter what with all hardware on your system unless you have multi-ported ram.. and my bet is you don't :)) | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 05:40 |
| jacekowski | so arm and neon is executed in parallel? | 05:41 |
| raster | uu share instruction decoder - u otherwise can even keep both arm and neon units fed nicely - as long as the instructions are taking longer in general to execute than the instruction fetch/decode overhead | 05:41 |
| raster | yup | 05:41 |
| raster | they are | 05:41 |
| jacekowski | how does it work | 05:41 |
| jacekowski | i mean if i move stuff around a lot from neon to arm and backwards | 05:42 |
| jacekowski | or just to and from memory | 05:42 |
| raster | with caveats - like a 20 cycle penalty for going neon -> arm as well obviously neon stalls to syncronise | 05:42 |
| raster | the answer is "don't do that" | 05:42 |
| raster | do it all in neon | 05:42 |
| jacekowski | that's what i was about to ask | 05:42 |
| raster | or all in arm | 05:42 |
| raster | use arm at best to do flow control | 05:42 |
| raster | and let arm work on its own flow control logic entirely devoid of neon doing its thing | 05:42 |
| jacekowski | does it synchronise them properly | 05:43 |
| raster | neon works on "data" processing it | 05:43 |
| raster | the arm then simply controls "eg" when to keep looping or not | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and neon for the numbercrunching? | 05:43 |
| raster | yes it does | 05:43 |
| raster | the instr's hit arm first 0- thats why it can go arm -> neon with no penalty | 05:43 |
| raster | as its just part of the pipeline | 05:43 |
| raster | and neon instr's get passed on as part of the arm pipeline | 05:43 |
| jacekowski | why 20 cycle? | 05:44 |
| raster | but... going back means you stall | 05:44 |
| raster | prob ably thats the pieline depth | 05:44 |
| raster | :) | 05:44 |
| raster | pipeline | 05:44 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: bingo | 05:44 |
| jacekowski | it's much shorter | 05:44 |
| raster | you need to recognise what neon was designed for | 05:44 |
| jacekowski | netburst had around 20 and it was extremly long pipeline | 05:44 |
| raster | jacekowski: thats what it impirically ends up being. try yourself and see. | 05:44 |
| jacekowski | how long does memory write takes on neon? | 05:45 |
| raster | rememebr you have 2 pipelines here - both arm and neon | 05:45 |
| raster | dunno | 05:45 |
| raster | depends on your memory | 05:45 |
| jacekowski | you just said it's one pipeline | 05:45 |
| raster | :) | 05:45 |
| raster | yes | 05:45 |
| raster | but thats 2 pipelines tage end on end | 05:46 |
| raster | tagged | 05:46 |
| raster | its 1 stream of commands | 05:46 |
| raster | arm ignores the neon ones it decodes and passes them on | 05:46 |
| raster | the neon unit picks up the commands from the pipeline and then continues with its own internal pipeline | 05:46 |
| raster | thats how it works and why you can control neon flow from the arm with no penalty | 05:47 |
| raster | but the reverse is not feasible without a penalty | 05:47 |
| raster | you simply design your algorithms+code to avoid or totally not depend on results generated by the neon unit | 05:48 |
| jacekowski | i think it would be nicer to have neon as completly separate core | 05:48 |
| raster | it may be faster to re-do the results in arm code | 05:48 |
| raster | thats not how it's done | 05:48 |
| raster | if it was - it'd also need different interaction | 05:48 |
| jacekowski | it works out quite well for ps3 | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's a question of smart interleaving | 05:49 |
| raster | like.. how woould you make it loop and then stop looping (without adding an arm core to the neon cpu to do compare, branch etc.) | 05:49 |
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| raster | as such arm didn't implement it that way | 05:49 |
| raster | if you want a whole new core.. u have cortex-a9 :) | 05:49 |
| jacekowski | the way how it's done now is for lazy programmers | 05:49 |
| raster | as such neon is quite a nice design considering | 05:49 |
| raster | they le3veraged the existing arm core infra very nicely | 05:50 |
| jacekowski | unroll loops | 05:50 |
| raster | that means fewer transistors. | 05:50 |
| raster | no | 05:50 |
| raster | you dont pay a penalty for loop controol if u keep loop control out of needing to know the computation results | 05:50 |
| raster | and thqats actually the most common case by a large margin | 05:50 |
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| raster | while (ptr < end) { do number crunching per unit in the array; ptr++} | 05:51 |
| raster | u pay no penalty | 05:51 |
| raster | the pet, end and ptr++ are done arm side | 05:51 |
| raster | u can even interleave some more arm instructions for free | 05:51 |
| raster | if the neon instr are heavier than an increment, compare and branch | 05:51 |
| jacekowski | imagine that your neon core could just decode your video all the time | 05:51 |
| raster | (on the arm side) | 05:51 |
| jacekowski | and arm core just picks up data whenever it can | 05:52 |
| raster | thats what you have cortex-a9 for :) | 05:52 |
| raster | the neon stuff is actually very neat | 05:52 |
| raster | what you want is to implement a whole alu too | 05:52 |
| raster | as part of neon | 05:52 |
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| raster | and then you basically create a new arm+neon core combo | 05:52 |
| raster | and thats a9 | 05:52 |
| jacekowski | that's too much for anything mobile | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | compiler builders' nightmare :-P | 05:53 |
| jacekowski | anything multithreaded is a programmers nightmare | 05:54 |
| jacekowski | lazy programmer nightmare | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:54 |
| Macer | oh wtf | 05:54 |
| raster | jacekowski: and yes you ask for a whole other core for neon | 05:54 |
| Macer | ctrl shift O enables the browser portrait mode? | 05:54 |
| raster | which is precisely what you say is a nightmare | 05:55 |
| jacekowski | anywas | 05:55 |
| raster | make up your mind :) | 05:55 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep | 05:55 |
| raster | and yes | 05:55 |
| raster | threadin g is a royal pita | 05:55 |
| raster | a bitch to debug | 05:55 |
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| jacekowski | it requires you to think in multithreaded way | 05:55 |
| jacekowski | that's all | 05:55 |
| raster | but with neon u are really low level too | 05:56 |
| raster | so u'd better know this kind of stuff and be careful.. or dont use it | 05:56 |
| raster | :) | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what makes it a nightmare | 05:56 |
| Macer | too bad the vkb doesn't do portrait mode as well | 05:56 |
| Macer | wow this landscape only is killing me :) | 05:56 |
| raster | jacekowski: as does your suggestipon of a whole neon core than can execute 100% in parallel (ie not have its flow control from the arm core) | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: stop whining about a nonexistent portrait mode kbd that would be a royal pain to use anyway | 05:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: haha | 05:58 |
| Macer | worked fine in android :) | 05:58 |
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| Termana | Macer: | 05:58 |
| Termana | Sell n900, Buy Android device | 05:59 |
| Termana | Build bridge, get over it | 05:59 |
| Termana | :P | 05:59 |
| Macer | but the n900 is so awesome | 05:59 |
| Macer | other than that :) | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | make up your mind | 05:59 |
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| Macer | i didn't say the n900 sucked | 05:59 |
| Termana | :P | 05:59 |
| raster | actually other than actually running linux.. the n900 is mildly middle-ground. | 05:59 |
| raster | its rather fat anc bulky | 06:00 |
| raster | and | 06:00 |
| Macer | raster: i think i would consider maemo a debian based linux distro | 06:00 |
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| Macer | android doesn't have much as far as gnu apps .. if any at all. the term is basically useless | 06:00 |
| raster | its sluggish - partly due to the omap3 these days being.. well.. middle-ground soc.. and the compositing they have running hurts performance a fair bit the way its done | 06:00 |
| Macer | well. it serves a purpose every now and then | 06:00 |
| raster | android blows imho :) | 06:00 |
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| Macer | raster: yeah. i don't like it either | 06:01 |
| raster | but beyond runing a linux properly on the n900 - its a mediocre device. | 06:01 |
| Macer | cyanogen made my G1 bearable | 06:01 |
| Termana | But you do like its portrait virtual keyboard | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | android blows chunks | 06:01 |
| Macer | Termana: yes | 06:01 |
| Macer | i hated the underlying problems | 06:01 |
| Macer | like no valid jabber client | 06:01 |
| Macer | tons of crashes with apps | 06:02 |
| Termana | Macer - I guess you never entertained the idea of chucking Debian onto your G1? :P You could access it natively or via chroot | 06:02 |
| Macer | no real term based apps | 06:02 |
| Macer | i did | 06:02 |
| Macer | it sucked | 06:02 |
| Macer | :) | 06:02 |
| Macer | natively? | 06:02 |
| Termana | Macer, mmm you can boot straight into Debian without Android | 06:02 |
| Macer | that i didn't do. the only one i saw was a chroot to an image file similar to easydeb | 06:02 |
| Macer | Termana: too bad mer didn't get far enough to be run on it :) | 06:03 |
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| Macer | who knows tho. maybe meego will have portrait mode on the n900 | 06:03 |
| Macer | that would be interesting to see | 06:03 |
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| Termana | I'll be getting an Nexus One and porting MeeGo over to it - I will be the saviour of all Nexus One users | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck portrait mode - I heard only Americans need it as they have just one hand to hold it, other hand busy... :-P | 06:04 |
| Macer | if ican get cups to work in maemo5 then i'm a pretty happy camper.. right now there are only 3 things that i need on my n900... 1. non-hackish bt keyboard support .. 2. cups ...3. portrait mode for certain things | 06:04 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, lol | 06:04 |
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| Macer | at least a portrait mode sleeping screen that lets you look at an im or txt in portrait mode in quick glancing when you yank it out your pocket | 06:04 |
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| Macer | screw it.. make it turn the screen on and show the im or txt by shaking it or something haha | 06:06 |
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| Macer | like a wiimote | 06:06 |
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| GAN900 | Termana, I will kiss your feet. | 06:14 |
| GAN900 | Termana, I'd love to make that stupid thing useful. | 06:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer heard nexus one is the best ignition counter for explosive mail to google | 06:15 | |
| * ShadowJK doubts we'll ever ever see a Nokia device with a soc that isn't "middle-ground" | 06:19 | |
| GAN900 | Love it | 06:20 |
| Termana | GAN900, hehe :P you got yours at the LFCS didn't you? | 06:22 |
| Termana | I spotted a few Maemo/MeeGo people in the crowd while watching the videos | 06:23 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 06:23 |
| GAN900 | Hate it | 06:23 |
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| Termana | GAN900, you don't even like it a TINY bit? :P | 06:25 |
| GAN900 | Nope | 06:27 |
| GAN900 | Well, it's thin, I guess | 06:27 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise I don't get what people see in it. | 06:27 |
| wiretapped | i broke my ability to receive SMS | 06:28 |
| wiretapped | i've been periodically running a script i wrote to purge alerts I get from nagios | 06:28 |
| wiretapped | delete from Event where group_id like '3___' | 06:29 |
| wiretapped | and the GroupCache | 06:29 |
| wiretapped | and then killing some things that are reading it | 06:29 |
| wiretapped | in retrospect i should've been sending dbus messages telling them to update i guess | 06:29 |
| Termana | GAN900, yeah, but those same people would probably say the same thing about the n900 so - :P | 06:29 |
| wiretapped | anyway it worked for a while, then started breaking things for a bit but they would work after killing some more | 06:29 |
| wiretapped | but now... even after moving aside my .rtcomm-eventlogger directory and getting a fresh db... and rebooting... | 06:30 |
| wiretapped | i cannot receive SMS. | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhn | 06:31 |
| Termana | GAN900, anyway, i'll keep you updated with any progress I make on getting MeeGo onto the Nexus One (when I get mine) | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you checked your SIM and the number of free SMS storage on there? | 06:32 |
| wiretapped | can i get a "Cool Story Bro" ? anyone else ever mess with the rtcomm eventlogger? | 06:32 |
| ShadowJK | cool story bro | 06:32 |
| wiretapped | Termana: w00t i wish you great success :) | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | Termana: hey! | 06:33 |
| Termana | wiretapped, thanks :P | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | Termana: where's your git tree? :o | 06:33 |
| Termana | luke-jr, hello :) | 06:33 |
| Termana | luke-jr, for n810? | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 06:33 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, http://github.com/Termana/nokia-n810-kernel - it only contains a patch for .33.1 | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | wiretapped, sorry we didn't get together in SF | 06:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs and focuses on other things | 06:34 | |
| GAN900 | bergie went and got me drunk on soju. <_< | 06:34 |
| wiretapped | GAN900: enjoy your stay here? | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 06:34 |
| Termana | I don't have enough bandwidth to be uploading the whole trees so I just upload patches :P | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | You guys should've snuck in. :P | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | Termana: wtf? :( | 06:35 |
| luke-jr | Termana: you should be able to branch on gitorious and only upload the changesets you added... | 06:35 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, hmm, I'll have to look into that. But I think that requires a full git pull anyway, which has more data to download than just patching my trees to get them up to date :P | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | Termana: -.- | 06:37 |
| Termana | luke-jr, you'll get over it, I'm sure you know how to use a patch file anyway :P | 06:37 |
| luke-jr | one-big-diff means to make any sane use of it I'd have to comphrehend it, split it into multiple changesets, apply and commit each one with a comment on what it does, etc... | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | Termana: try: git clone --depth 1 ... | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't need to download the full history that way | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | if you're based on my tree, it's git://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/linux-omap/n8x0.git | 06:39 |
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| luke-jr | if based on vanilla -omap, git://gitorious.org/linux-omap/mainline.git | 06:40 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, Its not against either. Its against mainline. Plus, I never used git for it, so all I have is one big patch anyway. | 07:02 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: -.- | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | so it's worthless :( | 07:06 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, well, I think thats a prick of a way to say it. I don't think its worthless. It has allowed everyone to upgrade their kernels if they want, and it has helped the n8x0 MeeGo Adaptation (since MeeGo requires a newer kernel (i'm running MeeGo in chroot now as well :P)) | 07:13 |
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| Termana | Just because you can't put it in a git tree with the whole history of it, doesn't make it worthless. | 07:14 |
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| Dima202 | Does anyone know of a Audacious port | 07:25 |
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| Macer | haha. omg. ever see the movie last dragon? where random people are kung fu fighting around the neighborhood? | 07:35 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoDG3k5cPZw | 07:36 |
| Macer | that stuff used to happen for real! | 07:36 |
| Macer | :) have to love zoutube | 07:36 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; pong | 07:55 |
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| shinkamui | wow | 08:14 |
| shinkamui | after that reflash, im STILL installing from backup | 08:14 |
| shinkamui | I will never make that mistake again | 08:14 |
| shinkamui | I don't remember apt being this slow | 08:14 |
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| shinkamui | is the app manager just an apt frontend? or does it have its own additional overhead | 08:15 |
| Trizt | I think it's just a front end which checks quite frequently if there have been updates if you do a one package at the time install | 08:16 |
| shinkamui | well, the backup restore is doing all of them one at a time, but at least queued | 08:17 |
| shinkamui | appmanager wouldn't be so bad for daily use if it let you queue up downloads | 08:17 |
| shinkamui | that should have been a pr 1.2 feature :) | 08:18 |
| Surfa | how much stuff doyou need to install at once with app manager? | 08:18 |
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| shinkamui | there are times when 3 or 4 new apps are added that I want to install | 08:18 |
| shinkamui | not a huge deal, but I have to babysit the device and wait for the catalog to be refreshed after each install | 08:19 |
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| * Trizt agrees with shinkamui | 08:19 | |
| shinkamui | can be quite annoying installing over 3g | 08:19 |
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| shinkamui | and at work, im stuck on edge, so I don't bother trying then | 08:19 |
| Trizt | that can explain the slowness | 08:20 |
| shinkamui | well, im at home now on wifi trizt | 08:20 |
| shinkamui | 26mbit cable | 08:20 |
| shinkamui | and 2.6gigs has been installing for 2 hours | 08:20 |
| shinkamui | I know the device probably can't handle the full bandwidth, but I've installed stuff using the text apt interface and its just muuch faster | 08:21 |
| Trizt | :) oh, I think that the "file system lagness" thats the problem, it's damn slow to write a lot of data on the n900 | 08:21 |
| shinkamui | whenever I can, I use the console to install new things | 08:21 |
| shinkamui | well, enough griping, Im still really happy with the N900 overall, I guess everything can't be perfect | 08:22 |
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| Surfa | there is no such thing as perfect | 08:22 |
| trumee | why is the disk IO slow on n900? | 08:23 |
| trumee | is it slow storage or slow chipset? | 08:24 |
| Surfa | typical thing with mobile devices | 08:24 |
| Surfa | it's just damn slow to write anything to phone memory | 08:24 |
| trumee | by memory you mean emmc? | 08:25 |
| Surfa | whatever it is :) | 08:25 |
| Tuukka | how come talk is down again... | 08:25 |
| Surfa | all the options are too slow currently | 08:25 |
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| Trizt | shinkamui; you can try: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 08:26 |
| Trizt | could help a little bit | 08:26 |
| Surfa | ..even that the situation is much better already than it was couple of years ago | 08:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping | 08:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: so i've got a new pair ready | 08:28 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; okey, last time I got the 1.8 again | 08:30 |
| Trizt | so you say I will get the 0.1-7 now? | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | but you should end up w/ translations-pr11-enus1 | 08:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i've moved all the strings into a dependent package | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's supposed to pull in the proper dependency | 08:31 |
| Trizt | okey, ltest try | 08:31 |
| timeless_mbp | see privmsg for note about repo path | 08:31 |
| Trizt | will do tha | 08:32 |
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| shinkamui | finally! | 08:33 |
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| shinkamui | 154 apps successfully installed | 08:33 |
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| shinkamui | a few failed due to dependencies | 08:33 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; it offers me 0.1-8, thats correct? | 08:33 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 08:33 |
| timeless_mbp | what matters is what packages it pulls in | 08:34 |
| Trizt | it says also "cannot update" | 08:34 |
| timeless_mbp | well um, that's unhappy | 08:36 |
| timeless_mbp | does the log explain why? | 08:36 |
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| Trizt | that I lack the hildon1 or what it's called | 08:37 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 08:37 |
| Trizt | I think your | didn't work as expected | 08:38 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible that i screwed up on the package names :) | 08:40 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, the packages seem to work fine here | 08:40 |
| timeless_mbp | at least 'details' tells me it's offering pr12 | 08:41 |
| Trizt | The only think in details is that I don't have >= 2.2.10 | 08:41 |
| Trizt | I have to rush, won't be able to test until back home after work :( wifi suxx at work | 08:42 |
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| pupnik_ | brain party is a well made game ... kudos to the porter too | 08:47 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 08:50 | |
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| RST38h | Sooo... Is leaked PR1.2 disappointing people already? =) | 08:50 |
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| dotblank | im just going to wait for the actually release | 08:53 |
| dotblank | isnt that leaked release old by like a month? | 08:53 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: leaked? | 08:55 |
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| RST38h | dotblank: well, the cutoff date for PR1.2 fixes may be even earlier than that, so who knows | 08:58 |
| dotblank | When is the actually release date for pr 1.2 | 08:59 |
| RST38h | Shit, I can apt-get install in the diablo rootstrap, but in the fremantle rootstrap, dpkg coredumps. | 08:59 |
| pupnik_ | not published | 08:59 |
| sulx | soonish | 08:59 |
| RST38h | dotblank: once pigs fly | 08:59 |
| dotblank | I saw the changelog and it does fix MANY of the problems I have | 08:59 |
| RST38h | And the worst part, I have no idea how to debug the crash =( | 08:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | dotblank: sometime before the release after pr1.2 | 09:01 |
| timeless_mbp | we hope | 09:01 |
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| RST38h | Shit, if only I had GDB installed inside the rootstrap... | 09:08 |
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| TigerTael | Ahahahahaha! | 09:08 |
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| mece | It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. | 09:12 |
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| swc|666 | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 09:14 |
| asj | off topic, but win for me :) nothing like having a your isp be an ubuntu mirror, dl at 1300kB/s :) | 09:14 |
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| asj | swc|666: url isn't working for me... ;) | 09:16 |
| swc|666 | haha | 09:17 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows what version of GDB I have to install on Ubuntu to debug programs running in qemu? | 09:20 |
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| summel | o/ | 09:25 |
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| summel | yay testing the new SDK | 09:29 |
| summel | iot is full of FAIL | 09:29 |
| summel | \o/ | 09:29 |
| summel | *it | 09:29 |
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| * timeless_mbp looks for someone w/ pr1.1.1 or lower and a bit of time | 09:30 | |
| summel | how do i check that? :D | 09:31 |
| summel | 3.2010.02-8 is my version | 09:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | summel: that'll do | 09:33 |
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| summel | how can i help? | 09:34 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, whacha need? I've got 1.1.1 | 09:34 |
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| * timeless_mbp points to the other channel | 09:36 | |
| mece | on a sidenote, I'm running out of schadenfreude and starting to feel sorry for the non-douche people who got tricked into using leaky rc, and are now having troubles. | 09:36 |
| summel | mece: my troubles are "A N900 device with updates installed. Note that PR1.2 is the minimum firmware supported." -_- | 09:37 |
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| mece | summel, well... this is worse: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51663 | 09:37 |
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| asj | SUCKERS | 09:39 |
| asj | oops lol | 09:39 |
| summel | mece: leak is probably nopt finished.,, dunno.... i think it is worse that i cant use ANY off my apps on my n900 because nokia is too stupid to provide an sdk for pr 1.1 | 09:39 |
| asj | what week-rel did that guy have? | 09:40 |
| summel | dunno... im not interested in any leak... i would be hapier about an 1.1 sdk then haviing 1.2 released -_- | 09:41 |
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| asj | summel: i can understand that | 09:50 |
| summel | i have 3 apps ready... they all work some way in the sdk... but i cant use them :( | 09:50 |
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| asj | summel: I'm sure pr1.2 will be out soon | 09:53 |
| asj | and I'm hoping they learned their lesson | 09:54 |
| summel | i hope so... its been long enough... i probably could sue nokia for not providing an sdk in which i can build and release and SELL my apps... so i could sue them for the profit im missing out because of them or somethiing like that xD | 09:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | asj: people here don't learn lessons | 09:55 |
| frals | go ahead, sue everyone summel, let us know how it goes | 09:55 |
| timeless_mbp | we just get new people :) | 09:55 |
| summel | :P | 09:55 |
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| summel | :O | 09:56 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 09:57 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya :) | 09:57 |
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| Tuukka | Hopefully it will take few more weeks till pr1.2 is out so that all those over eager people will suffer. Muahahahahaaahaaaa! | 09:58 |
| summel | ~nuke Tuukka | 09:58 |
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| Tuukka | :D lol | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | wtf? | 10:02 |
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| RST38h | actually this is not what causes the crash | 10:02 |
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| Tuukka | Is there a help command to see all the commands the freenode server uses? | 10:07 |
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| frals | no mwkn yet? | 10:08 |
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| _abhishek | Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ? | 10:16 |
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| summel | can someone with an n900 and a "decent" camera do me a favor? :D | 10:29 |
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| asj | summel: ? | 10:31 |
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| summel | i need a pic of an n900 on its stand with a lit keyboard on a green/blue/white background siplaying this picture in fullscreen | 10:32 |
| summel | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/uploads/2/2e/Quassel-logo.png | 10:32 |
| asj | oh displaying | 10:32 |
| asj | lol | 10:32 |
| summel | oh yes sry | 10:33 |
| summel | :D | 10:33 |
| summel | im a bit tired | 10:33 |
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| asj | horrible url | 10:34 |
| Tuukka | quassel what's that? | 10:35 |
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| summel | Tuukka: irc client | 10:35 |
| zokier | Tuukka, an irc-client | 10:35 |
| asj | a horrible irc client ;) | 10:35 |
| summel | THE irc client | 10:35 |
| summel | :P | 10:35 |
| summel | ~nuke asj | 10:35 |
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| asj | Tuukka: it's so bad I'm tempted not to help summel, but alas I am a nice guy | 10:36 |
| Tuukka | right... I don't even bother to get a client, using the webchat :DD | 10:36 |
| asj | Tuukka: if you can't irc with telnet you shouldn;t be on irc ;) | 10:36 |
| summel | asj: <3 | 10:36 |
| asj | twouters: oh shush ;) | 10:37 |
| twouters | :) | 10:37 |
| asj | summel: ok sec | 10:37 |
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| Tuukka | asj, well i hardly ever use irc. Using it only to troll in here :) | 10:39 |
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| summel | Tuukka: quassel has a client/core architecture... you set the core up to connect to your irc networks/channels and then you use the multiplattform client to connect to the core... so cou are online 24/7 :) | 10:40 |
| asj | summel: the picture you want isn't going to happen... | 10:40 |
| * noobmonk3y throws a troll at frals | 10:40 | |
| * asj looks at what he got | 10:40 | |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 10:41 | |
| summel | why not? :o | 10:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 10:41 |
| frals | did you fix that bug yet? ;D | 10:42 |
| asj | summel: very bright screen washes out the background. If you have enough light to show the phone then then keyboard isn't lit | 10:42 |
| asj | summel: I'll upload what I have | 10:42 |
| summel | write over the light sensor with a pen! | 10:42 |
| summel | :P | 10:42 |
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| asj | summel: you can post your phone to: | 10:43 |
| summel | i dont have a camera :( | 10:43 |
| summel | atm | 10:43 |
| summel | @work | 10:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | i really am amazed with how arrogant and rude some people on t.m.o are | 10:43 |
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| mece | noobmonk3y, tmo is the internets. It brings out the dicks. | 10:44 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :P good point | 10:44 |
| asj | noobmonk3y: and you think irc will be better? | 10:44 |
| Surfa | noobmonk3y, well, facing too many idiots makes even nicest people rude at some point :) | 10:44 |
| mece | noobmonk3y did you get stacked windows fixed? | 10:44 |
| asj | heh, I just realized tmo is talk.maemo.org, tmo to is t-mobile ;) | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | asj - the real numpties havn't figured out how to use irc ;) | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | mece :( no not yet | 10:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | it's definitley not easy - and that line doesnt just translate into python | 10:45 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 10:45 |
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| mece | lol | 10:46 |
| asj | summel: picture is uploading, patience is required, vacation pics are going first | 10:46 |
| mece | what's your current line then? I can translate perhaps. | 10:46 |
| noobmonk3y | Surfa, i actually agree, but some people are just rude to begin with kinda upsetting | 10:46 |
| summel | asj: thx :) | 10:46 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, pastebin the problem area of the code | 10:46 |
| Tuukka | This irc chat is behinde so many links that an average troll won't get trough :D | 10:47 |
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| tybollt | huh? | 10:47 |
| asj | summel: eyefi just uploads them in order, no control | 10:47 |
| tybollt | <-- very much average troll | 10:47 |
| noobmonk3y | mece, self.setAttribute(QtCore.WA_Maemo5StackedWindow) | 10:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | Take a look at ossipena = http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=7256723 = this guy only knows one thing... how to be a cock....... i just wish he would think before he typed | 10:48 |
| noobmonk3y | mece - tried a hundred different versions of that line | 10:48 |
| mece | that link did nothing | 10:48 |
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| TigerTael | I saw on the forums everyone suffering at the hands of the PR1.2 Beta... | 10:49 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, ossipena is one of my favorite tmo:ers :D I truly enjoy his merciless asshole attitude. He speaks business and not bs too. | 10:49 |
| _abhishek | Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ? | 10:49 |
| noobmonk3y | mece - entirely disagree | 10:49 |
| TigerTael | Sure glad I didn't find it out till later. | 10:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | shouldnt be a mod, and shouldn't be so god damn cocky | 10:50 |
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| mece | noobmonk3y, is he a mod? | 10:50 |
| noobmonk3y | TigerTael, i have it ;) - no problems :P | 10:50 |
| noobmonk3y | mece, yeah | 10:50 |
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| Tuukka | TigerTael, +1 for that | 10:50 |
| noobmonk3y | it's dangerous | 10:50 |
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| TigerTael | So I'm guessing the radio gets upgraded with that beta update eh? | 10:52 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm to be honest, no idea | 10:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | i was more interested in testing my app on it :P) | 10:52 |
| noobmonk3y | and as it is broken - i have work to do hehe | 10:52 |
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| mece | TigerTael, cell radio gets updated yes. and can't be downgraded again afact. | 10:55 |
| noobmonk3y | yayness lol | 10:55 |
| asj | I would not mess with it | 10:57 |
| asj | it's not ever pr1.2... | 10:57 |
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| asj | mece: you can use flasher to downgrade afaik | 10:58 |
| mece | asj, the cell radio? Are you sure? | 10:58 |
| mece | asj, haven't seen anyone actually succeeding with it. just people suggesting that it might work. | 10:58 |
| asj | mece: I have not done with it with an rx-51 | 10:59 |
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| Tuukka | Would it be possible to create a widget which when pressed would hide shortcuts from desktop and when pressed again would display them again? That way the desktop wouldn't be as cluttered and you could see your lovely wallpaper. :p | 11:03 |
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| TigerTael | asj, I'm not even considering it. | 11:03 |
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| asj | though, I can say I do live overclocking the n900 to 800mhz, the underclocking to 125mhz really seems to help battery life | 11:04 |
| mece | Tuukka, I guess you could make a script that does that, and create a .desktop file for it. | 11:04 |
| asj | Tuukka: why not just leave 1 desktop uncluttered? | 11:05 |
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| asj | or two of them, one on either side, a swipe to either side and voila | 11:06 |
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| Tuukka | asj, i need all that space.. One dektop for phone, @, messages. Second for games. Third for web bookmarks, and last for utilities | 11:07 |
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| Tuukka | Maybe it could work as desktop activity manager? | 11:08 |
| Tuukka | doesn't it do something similar? | 11:09 |
| asj | Tuukka: you play to many games, and stop calling people it's not a phone ;) | 11:10 |
| asj | solved | 11:11 |
| TigerTael | That sort of mentality is not good. ;/ | 11:11 |
| asj | I think it's just fine, imho, I would suggest it's perhaps not helpful ;) | 11:12 |
| pupnik | all desktops here are web bookmarks | 11:13 |
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| Tuukka | I made amazing wallpapers of ME2 loading vids and want see them properly :) | 11:13 |
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| Tuukka | Normandy SR-2 shown from different angles <3 | 11:14 |
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| D-Iivil | xfade: ping? | 11:15 |
| D-Iivil | X-Fade: ping (typoed) | 11:16 |
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| opdf2 | geez theres alot of people messing with leak pre w/e 1.2 | 11:35 |
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| mikki-kun | they just can't get wait to get their hands on something not offical | 11:40 |
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| mikki-kun | just curious what will happen once the official pr1.2 comes out | 11:44 |
| asj | summel: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrfarmfoto/4573682741/ try 1, 3 more coming | 11:44 |
| mikki-kun | is there actually a way in changing the googles searchoption? | 11:45 |
| mikki-kun | i hate it to have the mobile google | 11:45 |
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| asj | mikki-kun: google does that for you | 11:45 |
| asj | when the n900 first came out it didn't if I remember correctly | 11:45 |
| sulx | that leaked 1.2 is far away from mature... | 11:46 |
| mikki-kun | asj: uhm, not exactly, all the google references point towards http://www.google.com/$SOME_MAEMO_STRING if you look towards it really close | 11:46 |
| mikki-kun | if i type "www.google.com" it gives me google.com | 11:47 |
| asj | mikki-kun: but then google can decide which page to popup no? | 11:47 |
| mikki-kun | that is device-specific afaics | 11:47 |
| asj | it just sets client=nokia-maemo | 11:47 |
| asj | err ms-nokia-maemo | 11:48 |
| mikki-kun | i also looked yesterday in that google-widget with a hex-viewer and even that had a string point not towards "http://www.google.com" but something longer | 11:48 |
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| asj | don't need a hex viewer, just do a search, then bring up the url it's right there | 11:48 |
| auenf | err, you're referring to mobile google coming up instead of desktop google? | 11:49 |
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| mikki-kun | yeah... and that is what i wanted to get changed | 11:49 |
| mikki-kun | every single search which i just type in the browser bar will be transfered to the ms-nokia-maemo page | 11:50 |
| mikki-kun | auenf: isn't there a webpage already for "phones" and small MIDs? | 11:53 |
| auenf | mikki-kun, surely changing the user agent would get around that easily anyway | 11:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | um | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the maemo primary catalog is broken | 11:55 |
| mikki-kun | auenf: where could i get that done? | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__ / tekojo: who can we poke? | 11:55 |
| auenf | useragentswitcher if its available for microb | 11:55 |
| mikki-kun | ain't there somewhere a config-file for microb? | 11:56 |
| auenf | or about:config would have it | 11:56 |
| tybollt | go timeless | 11:57 |
| florian | good morning | 11:57 |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 11:57 | |
| noobmonk3y | timeless, Stskeeps maybe? | 11:58 |
| pupnik | n900 browsing is so good sometimes i use it even when a laptop computer is sitting in front of my face. | 11:59 |
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| wazd | oh, legal wars at t.m.o, cool | 12:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lol pup - i am in bed with my lapto pon my lap and the n900 on the laptop keys :P | 12:00 |
| noobmonk3y | wazd? | 12:00 |
| mikki-kun | auenf: ahhhh, big thx :D that is way more helpful than an app for changing that :) | 12:00 |
| tybollt | wazd: Huh do explain | 12:00 |
| wazd | noobmonk3y: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=638289&postcount=719 | 12:00 |
| wazd | so now maemo.org is an oficcial nokia website? :) | 12:01 |
| noobmonk3y | "We advice"? lol ;) | 12:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm or is reggie coming from an official hat on angle? maybe | 12:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | either way it makes sense.... just trying to remove tmo's image of an illegal file sharing site ;) | 12:02 |
| arnor | hi there! | 12:02 |
| mikki-kun | uhm, lol | 12:02 |
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| mikki-kun | the geckorelease which microb is based on is kind of old :D | 12:02 |
| asj | well it's bad to have buggy versions flying around | 12:02 |
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| mikki-kun | 24.June.09 | 12:02 |
| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 12:02 |
| RST38h | wazd: It isn't like maemo.org ever wasn't an official nokia website... | 12:02 |
| timeless_mbp | mikki-kun: not 'kind of' | 12:03 |
| arnor | could someone tell me if it's possible to remotely control my N900 from a Linux workstation? | 12:03 |
| pupnik | arnor: of courst it is | 12:03 |
| arnor | pupnik: how could I do it? | 12:03 |
| pupnik | ssh | 12:03 |
| Appiah | arnor ssh | 12:03 |
| N900evil | ssh phone | 12:03 |
| pupnik | :P | 12:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: and yes, some of these community functionaries actually think they owe to Nokia =) | 12:03 |
| arnor | pupnik: no graphical front-end? | 12:03 |
| Appiah | you could install a vncserver | 12:03 |
| pupnik | you can also use "synergy" to control n900 with keyboard/mouse | 12:03 |
| N900evil | what do you mean control | 12:03 |
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| arnor | Appiah: this is what I'm searching for? any website for me? ; ] | 12:05 |
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| Appiah | check talk.maemo.org | 12:05 |
| arnor | pupnik: synergy? :) | 12:05 |
| Appiah | been discussed several times | 12:05 |
| arnor | Appiah: thx :) | 12:05 |
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| pupnik | i still enjoy using synergy, but my build is buggy. | 12:06 |
| arnor | ok | 12:07 |
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| D-Iivil | X-Fade is on vacation? :) | 12:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: how are you w/ debian magic? | 12:14 |
| mikki-kun | auenf: btw, changing the useragent didn't work... so i really suspect the thing is hardcoded | 12:14 |
| tybollt | RST38h: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/30/jobs_flash_letter_deconstructed/ | 12:15 |
| pupnik | not so great, sorry timeless_mbp . can i try to help with something? | 12:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | sure | 12:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have a pair of packages foo-pr11 and foo-pr12 | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a meta package foo-meta | 12:17 |
| mikki-kun | ahhh, ok i found it... had to search for google | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and i want it to depend on foo-pr11 | foo-pr12 | 12:17 |
| * TriztFromWork smiles | 12:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | if i try to depend on foo-pr12 | foo-pr11 | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the package doesn't install w/ ham on pr11 | 12:17 |
| timeless_mbp | it works w/ apt-get | 12:17 |
| pupnik | i would have to google to get that | | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if i reverse the order to foo-pr11 | foo-pr12 | 12:18 |
| linuxcentos | Is the developer/porter of Carman here? | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it works w/ ham w/ pr11 | 12:18 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:18 |
| D-Iivil | Good morning. | 12:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Good moaning. | 12:19 |
| linuxcentos | First of all, hello to all Maemo ppl | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: life sucks | 12:19 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: AIUI, HAM is shit (it reimplemented apt's algorithms - incorrectly and inaccurately) | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the maemo repository is corrupt | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: does ham suck less in 1.2? | 12:19 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: lovely having to try to second guess the proprietary HAM algorithm every time innit? | 12:19 |
| linuxcentos | current Android user switching over to Maemo after reading how good this is | 12:19 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: ham is open source :) | 12:20 |
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| tybollt | maemo good? Eh, c'mon :) | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (be careful with your use of "proprietary") | 12:20 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: meh, don't ruin my buzz :P | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: do you be readin my buzz? :) | 12:20 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: let's s/proprietary// | 12:20 |
| linuxcentos | tybollt: Yeah, Maemo sees to be impressive | 12:20 |
| tybollt | or not :P | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | linuxcentos: welcome :) | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: i'll resolve that | 12:21 |
| linuxcentos | Jaffa: thx :) | 12:21 |
| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: You need to ask m-vo | 12:21 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: what was the url to the google maps site that actually worked decently on device? | 12:21 |
| linuxcentos | tybollt: not ? :) | 12:21 |
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| linuxcentos | tybollt: i'm really looking forward to sell my Samsung Galaxy to buy one Maemo | 12:22 |
| Jaffa | linuxcentos: I'll take this opportunity to plug http://www.mwkn.net if you want a summary of what's going on at the moment (today's issue is 2 hours old) | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: um, google.com/maps/m/ ? | 12:23 |
| frals | Jaffa: there seems to be some encoding issues (see "super testers" article for example) | 12:23 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: ty, was using maps.google.com :p | 12:24 |
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| linuxcentos | Jaffa: thx, i'm really excited about Maemo | 12:24 |
| linuxcentos | Jaffa: never even felt to try to make any code in Android due to it's system | 12:25 |
| linuxcentos | Jaffa: even though i've 2 Android phones | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | frals: Yeah, just spotted. Annoying. Fixed | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | linuxcentos: maemo is retiring... | 12:26 |
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| linuxcentos | timeless_mbp:really? | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo is mutating! | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And gaining shiny new powers! | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | And becoming meego! | 12:27 |
| tybollt | linuxcentos: as timeless_mbp says it - let's be carefull shall we | 12:27 |
| frals | Jaffa: :) same in kfzcheck under announcements | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo evolved! | 12:27 |
| TigerTael | linuxcentos, haven't heard of MeeGo? | 12:27 |
| tybollt | however for a different reason | 12:27 |
| tybollt | maemo is not the be all end all überOS | 12:27 |
| tybollt | it has its potential but let's not go all fanboi about it :) | 12:27 |
| TigerTael | tybollt, what is? | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | However - in many cases - with the right programming - GUI/qt - stuff should run on maemo and meego pretty much unchanged | 12:27 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: no :( | 12:28 |
| tybollt | TigerTael: Is there one? | 12:28 |
| TigerTael | tybollt, I wish. ;] | 12:28 |
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| Surfa | maemo got supercow powers | 12:29 |
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| asj | summel: did you see your picture? | 12:30 |
| summel | asj: yes thx :) | 12:30 |
| asj | summel: there are probably all 3 now | 12:30 |
| opdf2 | is that n8 really gonna be quad band umts/hsdpa? | 12:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | summel: no? | 12:32 |
| opdf2 | i usually see either 900/1700/2100 or 850/1900/2100 | 12:32 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: sdk has pr 1.2 so apps built in the sdk do not run on the device :( | 12:33 |
| linuxcentos | MeeGo , oh yes | 12:33 |
| linuxcentos | Intel + Nokia | 12:33 |
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| linuxcentos | rirht? | 12:33 |
| linuxcentos | right ? * | 12:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | summel: I mean in principle. | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: I'm for the purposes of argument supposing a seperate buildchain | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | summel: you take your cod, and build it on a meego sdk | 12:34 |
| summel | i'm for releasing pr 1.2/an 11 sdk | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm doubtful that the exact same binary will run | 12:34 |
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| summel | but yes i did just compile my qt4 desktop app for maemo and it runs (in the sdk) | 12:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | The sdk not building 1.1, and 1.2 not releasesed has shades of openmoko. | 12:37 |
| summel | but the n900 is not as ugly as the freerunner was :D | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But the n900 has no lanyard hole. | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:39 |
| summel | it dpoes | 12:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not as easy to use! :) | 12:40 |
| TigerTael | I should consider a lanyard. | 12:41 |
| summel | http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg | 12:41 |
| summel | true | 12:41 |
| summel | y<ou have to open the device | 12:41 |
| summel | and the hole is pretty small :/ | 12:42 |
| summel | but i wouldnt use it anyways :D | 12:42 |
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| summel | samsung nc10? :d | 12:46 |
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| mece | bäkk | 13:05 |
| chem|st | mece: wb | 13:06 |
| asj | top | 13:06 |
| chem|st | mece: wo bist du denn her? | 13:06 |
| summel | chem|st: finnland würd ich sagen ;) | 13:06 |
| chem|st | haben finnen nen ä | 13:07 |
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| mece | chem|st, finland :) | 13:07 |
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| summel | die ham auch ein °a oder sowas | 13:07 |
| summel | :D | 13:07 |
| mikki-kun|N900 | mece: in german finland is written with double n | 13:07 |
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| mece | heh funny. | 13:08 |
| mece | All the german I know I've learned from Kondom des Grauens | 13:08 |
| mece | :P | 13:08 |
| summel | :o | 13:08 |
| chem|st | mece: you got ä? | 13:08 |
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| mece | yep. åäö actually, since I'm a swedish speaking finn. | 13:09 |
| summel | mece: not the best german movie :D | 13:09 |
| mikki-kun|N900 | i actually have a finnish N900 | 13:09 |
| mece | summel, yes it is! | 13:09 |
| summel | no :D | 13:09 |
| mikki-kun|N900 | but am using a german keyboard-layout | 13:09 |
| summel | there are better | 13:09 |
| mece | summel, yes! | 13:09 |
| mece | summel, like? | 13:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm editing on the wiki - moved a page. How do I find links to the previous page title? | 13:09 |
| summel | wer früher stirbt ist länger tot | 13:09 |
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| summel | bella martha | 13:09 |
| summel | bandits | 13:10 |
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| summel | just to name a few | 13:10 |
| summel | :P | 13:10 |
| chem|st | thought you got just stuff like å | 13:10 |
| summel | oh and in a way titanic and 2012 independence day etc are german movies :P | 13:10 |
| mece | summel, heh | 13:10 |
| Tuukka | öäöäöäöäö | 13:11 |
| Tuukka | åååå | 13:11 |
| summel | ß | 13:11 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: I think backlink is not implemented | 13:11 |
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| Tuukka | Deutschland Deutschland über alles | 13:11 |
| mece | no å in finnish really though. | 13:11 |
| mece | summel, Good Bye Lenin was an excellent movie | 13:11 |
| summel | yes that one also | 13:12 |
| summel | ẞ | 13:12 |
| chem|st | Tuukka: ü... | 13:12 |
| pupnik_ | agree mece | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: :/ | 13:13 |
| mece | ok, maybe kondom des grauens is not a good movie on a generic good movie kind of scale. But I found it excellent, mostly due to random crazyness and poor production values :) | 13:13 |
| Tuukka | chem|st, ?? | 13:13 |
| summel | mece: most german movies are "cheap" compared to ... for example US movies... but that does not mean they are bad :) also kondom des grauens is pretty old | 13:14 |
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| mece | summel, yeah. It's also a b-movie, even by german standards I understand. I'm a big b-movie fan. | 13:14 |
| opdf2 | anyone using sipsorcery? I cant get it to ring my n900 | 13:15 |
| summel | you should also watch "der bewegte mann" and "stadtgespräch" | 13:15 |
| summel | <3 katja riemann | 13:15 |
| Tuukka | polizei hund Rex, that's an amazing german tv serie! | 13:16 |
| summel | omg | 13:17 |
| summel | :D | 13:17 |
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| pupnik_ | ty summel | 13:17 |
| chem|st | Tuukka: just 'Kommissar Rex' and its austrian | 13:18 |
| Tuukka | chem|st, translated it straight from finnish. Still show it in Tv here... lol | 13:19 |
| mece | we have Der Alte too! But nothing beats Ein Fall Für Zwei!! Saako matula turpaan? | 13:20 |
| summel | Tuukka: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Golden_retriever_freundlicher_Ausdruck.jpg sooooo much cuter! :d | 13:20 |
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| _abhishek | Hi I have diablo device (N810 ) I have written some code which generates image using QImage and saves image using QImage save function this programs works fine on Desktop and scratchbox too but won't work on Device it won't save the file is there any problem in saving with QImage or some alternate method to use ? | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I would attack it with strace, and see where it's trying to save the file. Perhaps it is a permissions issue? | 13:23 |
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| alterego | I can't believe xsomeone leaked PR1.2 | 13:24 |
| alterego | Or, maybe PR1.1.2? ^.^ | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I can't believe it's not butter. | 13:24 |
| andre__ | it's yogurt! | 13:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:24 |
| alterego | Did anyone try the gesture video zooming? | 13:25 |
| tybollt | hmmm | 13:26 |
| alterego | I might be wrong, but that's what I thought it looked like on that promo video .. | 13:26 |
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| tybollt | so that there post wazd posted was basically a cease and desist because someone put PR1.2 online? | 13:26 |
| tybollt | assum | 13:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 13:28 |
| noobmonk3y | gesture video zooming on playback? | 13:28 |
| noobmonk3y | or on record? | 13:28 |
| alterego | Well, I've got the image, but I'm unlikely to flash it | 13:29 |
| alterego | playback | 13:29 |
| noobmonk3y | doesnt work | 13:29 |
| alterego | False advertising then :) | 13:30 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 13:30 |
| summel | why? | 13:30 |
| noobmonk3y | the second you touch the screen it gives you the pause / fforward etc menu | 13:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, no change there then. | 13:31 |
| alterego | I wonder if the h264 codecs are better now. | 13:31 |
| alterego | I'm gonna unpack the image actually and have a poke, rather than flash it :) | 13:31 |
| noobmonk3y | all vids are working fine for me, most are bbc iplayer downloads | 13:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | but they worked fine b4 :P | 13:31 |
| alterego | What do you use for iplayer downloads? | 13:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | well i did b4 i flashed, erm the command line downloader | 13:32 |
| noobmonk3y | i just go into xterminal and type iplayer <<web address> | 13:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | tekojo, are you imitating a yoyo? ;) | 13:33 |
| alterego | Cool, and no one has wrapped a ui around that yet? :) | 13:33 |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 13:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | alterego, no cos the install is a bit of a pain | 13:33 |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 13:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | mornin frals | 13:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:33 |
| frals | afternoon o/ | 13:33 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: That's what tekojo gets for running unauthorised firmwares ;-) | 13:33 |
| noobmonk3y | mece helped fixed the stackable windows - ... .in the end pyside works, qt doesnt lol | 13:33 |
| tekojo | noobmonk3y the ******* wlan in here is | 13:33 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Jaffa ;) | 13:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | tekojo, is....... not very good? | 13:33 |
| tekojo | exactly :) | 13:34 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 13:34 |
| tekojo | ooh, and I have an unofficial N900 too! | 13:34 |
| noobmonk3y | unofficial OoOooo is it pink? | 13:34 |
| frals | hmm, i dislike when im told to call someone, he wont pickup and wont answer emails | 13:34 |
| frals | and now i got a doctors appointment in 3 hrs >_< | 13:34 |
| tekojo | my trusty old prototype still works :) | 13:34 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | prototype ftw | 13:35 |
| * MohammadAG_ goes back to his ps3 | 13:35 | |
| mece | prototype ftFw! | 13:35 |
| * frals waits for noobmonk3ys HAM to start flashing | 13:35 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 13:35 |
| noobmonk3y | ham n eggs on my device ;) | 13:35 |
| * tekojo works for nokia and has used this same n900 for quite a while now :) | 13:35 | |
| noobmonk3y | hadnt re-installed fmms, better redo that ;) | 13:35 |
| frals | ^^ | 13:36 |
| * noobmonk3y doesnt work for nokia and has used the same n900 for a while now ;) | 13:36 | |
| frals | noobmonk3y: did you fix the problem with healthcheck not closing properly? | 13:36 |
| noobmonk3y | frals - thats my next trick | 13:36 |
| noobmonk3y | sorting out the menu and stackable windows is done now :D | 13:36 |
| frals | was wondering why device was sluggish, having 2x healthcheck open at 60megs each explained it | 13:36 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe :P it was hugging your memory :P | 13:36 |
| noobmonk3y | oh i mean hogging lol | 13:37 |
| frals | :D | 13:37 |
| mece | eeeheheh.. pyqt apps take ridiculous amounts pof memory, I've noticed. | 13:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah it does, doesnt help when healthcheck won't close it'self properly | 13:37 |
| noobmonk3y | i wish there was just an Unload all command like vb used to have ;) | 13:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | awww installed fmms and it auto added itself onto my desktop in its old place :P | 13:39 |
| alterego | I was mistaken, the gesture zooming is a video playing mebedded in a web page ^.^ | 13:39 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo and settings still there | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y | freaky deaky | 13:40 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: does the mms apn show up in "connect automatically" for you? | 13:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | connect automatically? | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y | no option in fmms for that? | 13:40 |
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| frals | in internet connections settings | 13:40 |
| frals | where you can select wlan/blabla | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y | oh i removed the apn, cos it kept trying to use the internet on it | 13:41 |
| frals | right so you had that problem then :P | 13:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | was assuming fmms now manually configures apn? | 13:41 |
| frals | yes but it adds it to the system | 13:41 |
| frals | removing it means it wont have any settings :D | 13:41 |
| * noobmonk3y re-installs fapn | 13:41 | |
| frals | noneed | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | too late | 13:41 |
| PerfDave | Hahaha, fapn sounds like "fapping" | 13:41 |
| frals | just do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and start fmms | 13:41 |
| alterego | :) | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | meh meh | 13:42 |
| joga | PerfDave: heh I thought so too | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | installed fapn, doesnt matter? | 13:42 |
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| frals | doesnt matter | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | as root? | 13:42 |
| frals | user | 13:42 |
| frals | should be fine | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | ok ran it, nothing happenned, gonna try fmms | 13:43 |
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| frals | ye that gconftool just removes ur old settings so now you have the pleasure of redoing it | 13:43 |
| frals | :D | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | ok first load failed - second load looks good | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | all reset | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | just have no idea what my phone number is lol | 13:43 |
| frals | failed? | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | it loaded then vanished | 13:44 |
| frals | well dont have to put it in there really | 13:44 |
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| frals | or well, depends on operator, on most it doesnt seem to matter | 13:44 |
| noobmonk3y | just checking, the settings i should use are the vodafone mms ones on here - http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS (UK) | 13:44 |
| frals | yeah | 13:44 |
| frals | and access point name should be wap.vodafone.co.uk and not "vodafone mms" :) | 13:45 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 13:45 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm it's forcing capital letters on first letter | 13:45 |
| noobmonk3y | and i cant unforce | 13:45 |
| frals | space first then type then remove space | 13:46 |
| noobmonk3y | double entered the letter then removed the capital one, work around | 13:46 |
| tybollt | uhm | 13:46 |
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| tybollt | so the n900 is now selling w/ 1.2 in hk? | 13:46 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: thats a bug in H-I-M fwiw and not fmms specific :p | 13:46 |
| tybollt | (cording to that post on TMO) | 13:46 |
| alterego | I can't help but notice that the timestamp on the leaked PR1.2 is the 31st of March .. | 13:46 |
| alterego | So it's over a month old, | 13:47 |
| tybollt | so? | 13:47 |
| tybollt | by the time we got 1.1 it was several months old _several_ | 13:47 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh | 13:47 |
| ccooke | alterego: that just means a (potential) month of bugfixing going in to the final pr1.2, most likely | 13:47 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: is the mms apn showing up as connect automatically? | 13:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, suppose you're right. | 13:47 |
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| alterego | Yeah, but a month of bug fixing is a lot of bug fixing. | 13:48 |
| * RST38h building stuff for Symbian | 13:48 | |
| RST38h | Pain, PAIN | 13:48 |
| noobmonk3y | its not there as you told me not to re-add fapn lol | 13:48 |
| RST38h | Getting flood of warnings about Nokia's own S60 headers | 13:49 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: fmms installs a new apn automatically | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | definitley hasn't | 13:49 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: but if you go to "internet connections" and then get the list | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | in there | 13:49 |
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| frals | right, what connection mode are you using? | 13:49 |
| alterego | Qt will be the only thing to get me to develop for S60 again .. | 13:49 |
| frals | does it list a apn named "MMS"? | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | havoc | 13:49 |
| frals | ah that explains it | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | oh not to use havoc? | 13:49 |
| frals | can you switch to rude and go look again? | 13:49 |
| frals | :D | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | ok its there ;) | 13:50 |
| frals | does it show up as "connect automatically"? | 13:50 |
| noobmonk3y | got connect automatically to any connection | 13:50 |
| tybollt | btw | 13:50 |
| frals | well its gonna show either your normal conenction or "mms" in that list | 13:50 |
| noobmonk3y | got wlan and mms in that list | 13:51 |
| frals | ok | 13:51 |
| frals | open a terminal and run /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py please | 13:51 |
| tybollt | considering how bitch slapped I got this morning by Timeless wrt my reckless usage of the term 'proprietary'... is the firmware image really ... 'proprietary'? Isn't it basically just a bunch of gpl shitz? | 13:51 |
| tybollt | is distributing it then illegal? | 13:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Here? | 13:52 |
| frals | tybollt: its not only foss on it | 13:52 |
| RST38h | tybollt: it has proprietary stuff in it | 13:52 |
| tybollt | frals: ah, that's a confirm then, ok sure | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | run it | 13:52 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: as in typ /opt/fmms/fmms_config.py <enter> ;) | 13:52 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: and then check the list in internet connections again | 13:53 |
| tybollt | no I'm not running it - I want other gerbils to test this and work out the kinks before I put it on mah precious :) | 13:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ooooo | 13:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | wlan and internet gprs now in there | 13:53 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: awesome, thanks | 13:53 |
| noobmonk3y | no mms | 13:53 |
| noobmonk3y | that right? | 13:53 |
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| frals | it should still be in the list of all access points but no in the connect automatically | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | tis | 13:54 |
| frals | great, tis working then :D | 13:54 |
| mece | frals, o'rly? Starting to sound like I might have to have another go at fMMS then :) | 13:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | right..... was meant to pick the missus up an hour ago | 13:55 |
| noobmonk3y | better get my ass in gear | 13:55 |
| frals | lol noobmonk3y | 13:55 |
| noobmonk3y | will test it n let you know ;)_ | 13:55 |
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| Khertan_ | hum ... it will be funny if nokia post information about pr1.2 saying that there are waiting to release it as they are implementing a migration process for the leaked firmware :) | 13:57 |
| Khertan_ | hum ... it will be funny if nokia post information about pr1.2 saying that they are waiting to release it as they are implementing a migration process for the leaked firmware :) | 13:57 |
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| TigerTael | Doubt they would do that. | 13:57 |
| Khertan_ | anyway ... PyGTKEditor 3.0.16 released | 13:57 |
| mece | Khertan, more like sad, really. | 13:58 |
| Khertan_ | TigerTael: of course they will not do that | 13:58 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 13:58 |
| mece | Khertan_. what is different from, say .14? | 13:58 |
| Khertan_ | the 3.0.16 fix bugs of 3.0.15 | 13:58 |
| * noobmonk3y is sending an mss :D | 13:58 | |
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| noobmonk3y | (Sent the missues a picture of some flowers - close enough) | 13:58 |
| * mece doesn't know what an mss is, but would like to send an mms :P | 13:58 | |
| Khertan_ | and the 3.0.15 fix bug of 3.0.1, and implement a theming for syntax hilghting color | 13:58 |
| noobmonk3y | meh failed | 13:58 |
| noobmonk3y | MMS | 13:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | name or service not known | 13:59 |
| Khertan_ | and the 3.0.15 fix bug of 3.0.14, and implement a theming for syntax hilghting color | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | please make sure your APN settings are correct | 13:59 |
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| * noobmonk3y blames frals | 13:59 | |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 13:59 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: prolly because you messed smth up! what does the log say? | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | wtf all my settings have vanished! | 14:00 |
| frals | (god i bet its my regexp on the mmsc) | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | not sure really better go! | 14:00 |
| frals | could you send me a log? ;o | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | will sort it tonight! | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | can doooooooooooooooooooo! | 14:00 |
| * noobmonk3y waves n runs out the door | 14:00 | |
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| cityOfLights | hi all | 14:01 |
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| cityOfLights | can anyone here pls help me with connection to my cellular internet? | 14:01 |
| cityOfLights | I need help with ppp chat | 14:02 |
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| cityOfLights | second question is about mobile hotspot. does anyone here use it? | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: anyone else interested in USB host. I've edited http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB to reflect current reality a bit better. Anyone with stuff to add, please do. I may add more refs/links later. | 14:09 |
| andre__ | cityOfLights, any concrete questions? | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (no, USB host isn't working right now) | 14:09 |
| opdf2 | im lovin sipgate, sipsorcery, google voice. I dont know why I still pay for cell minutes | 14:10 |
| cityOfLights | andre__: hi , do you use mobile hotspot? | 14:10 |
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| andre__ | cityOfLights, no. what is that? verizon? | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | andre__: mobilehotspot is an app in fevel | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | devel | 14:15 |
| andre__ | ah. | 14:15 |
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| cityOfLights | its a way to share the N900 cellular internet with other clients over wifi | 14:15 |
| Tuukka | similar to joikuspot? | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | but it patches the kernel | 14:16 |
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| MohammadAG_ | joikuspot loads a module | 14:16 |
| cityOfLights | so - is it stable? | 14:16 |
| cityOfLights | I only got one N900 - and can't risk it stop working | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: mh. interesting stuff on the usb host mode. good news actually. there is hope ;) | 14:16 |
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| zokier | joikuspot uses its kernel module to create an access point? | 14:16 |
| cityOfLights | first question was in regard to the script issued when establishing cellular connection | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | it uses a bouncer module | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it's like bridging a connection | 14:17 |
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| cityOfLights | doed anyone here got expirince using the chat in pppd? | 14:18 |
| zokier | shouldn't it be quite trivial to route traffic from wlan to 3g and back | 14:19 |
| cityOfLights | I mean look at my last post here: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-550529-highlight-chatppp0.html | 14:19 |
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| cityOfLights | how should the chat "talk" with the cellular terminal? | 14:19 |
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| cityOfLights | I figured I can find more ppl using pppd_chat here | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Processor-Misc/Texas-Instruments/OMAP3530DCUS72/_/R-8933401/A-8933401/An-0?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=-1&storeId=500201&listIndex=-1 - hmm | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | 720MHz rated processor is $30 more than 600MHz | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if you can get a 'drop in' upgrade, and how much faster it'd overclock. | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | zokier: yes. | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | zokier: however. | 14:22 |
| Tuukka | Odd prices... | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | zokier: The problem is that the stock software does not use standard tools to bring up/down interfaces, and those tools are at best unclear, and at worst won't let you do that | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Tuukka: ? | 14:23 |
| Tuukka | SpeedEvil, the more you buy the cheaper it'll get | 14:23 |
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| zokier | Tuukka, thats the usual case | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Tuukka: Entirely normal. | 14:24 |
| zokier | ah, that one. i was wondering the other day what kind of networkmanager maemo was using | 14:24 |
| Tuukka | nvm... | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Needless to say, the prices go down significantly more if you order a hundred thousand. | 14:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (wiki) awesome | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: my take on the whole situation is slightly different though, will probably add to the wiki eventually | 14:25 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows if Diablo Extras still accepts uploads? | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (ID pin, reasons why Nokia did this, mail from Igor...) | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - this was just a first cut without much thought involved, or without bothering to chase up all the references I vaguely recalled | 14:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | incliding the igor/... mails | 14:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: leave it to me, so my name shining up somewhere as well :-) | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | but now COFFEE | 14:28 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:29 |
| mece | man I'm diggin gerbick's posts on tmo today. | 14:29 |
| mece | Very very collected responses to the overwhelming amount of stupidity being spread on tmo about the leaked software. | 14:29 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks it is definitaly good we have leaked software tested with quite wide community audience | 14:30 | |
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| Arkenoi | leaks are good | 14:31 |
| Veggen | agreed. | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Leeks are good too. | 14:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Especially with potato, chicken and onions in a soup. | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yummy | 14:31 |
| Veggen | opinions in a soup? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suppose you're No Frenchman? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | opinion soup, very popular in France | 14:32 |
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| Veggen | :) | 14:33 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ? I thought the french much prefered the surrender soup - w/ a touch of rudeness on the side ::) | 14:34 |
| TigerTael | haha | 14:35 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks it's definitely good a lot of people who never want to listne now had to learn the hard way there's some rationale in the warning of the 'old farts' | 14:35 | |
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| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, I laughed. | 14:36 |
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| mece | LOL | 14:36 |
| TigerTael | I was just logging onto the talk forums and then I saw it flooded with people having problems with it. | 14:36 |
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| mece | man ossipena and gerbick are hammering the poor leaksufferers today. | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | they deserve it | 14:36 |
| * MohammadAG_ goes back to his self compiled image with broken crap | 14:37 | |
| mece | well, ossipena is hammering, gerbick is plotely informing them of their stupidity. | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | full ack | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | giving them a mirror would help | 14:37 |
| tybollt | mece: "But this... has to be the oddest, yet most feverish hunt for an update I've seen in years. I hope PR1.2 doesn't disappoint... " - that's just a gem =) | 14:37 |
| TigerTael | It's just a fricken update. ;/ | 14:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | TigerTael, it's not just an update | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's THE update | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | that will solve most world problems | 14:38 |
| tybollt | starving children in africa etc | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | Qt is overrated | 14:38 |
| mece | tybollt, yeah | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and bring peace to galaxy | 14:38 |
| tybollt | Man I'm so gonna isntall PR1.2 on my iphone! | 14:38 |
| TigerTael | MohammadAG_, OH JESUS! | 14:39 |
| TigerTael | tybollt, great idea. | 14:39 |
| pupnik_ | it is surprising how many weeks pass between 1.2 fixes and release | 14:39 |
| Appiah | Does anyone know why the level on the FM transmitter goes down from 111 to 88 when i plugin the charger? | 14:39 |
| Appiah | and back to 111 if i plug it out.. | 14:39 |
| TigerTael | Appiah, 1.2 should fix that. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: check the bug in tracker | 14:39 |
| summel | can i use the front facing camera for taking pictures/vodeos or do i have to wait for pr1.2 for that? :P | 14:39 |
| TigerTael | summel, 1.4 I bet. | 14:39 |
| tybollt | no | 14:39 |
| mece | Appiah, install the fm transmitter booster to avoid that. | 14:39 |
| summel | :o | 14:39 |
| tybollt | sorry summel - the N900 can't take 'vodeos' | 14:39 |
| mece | lol | 14:39 |
| summel | *videos | 14:39 |
| * ab hopes most of update hunters have N900 as their only internet accessing device and after flashing and failing there will be much expected silence on the web | 14:40 | |
| summel | :P | 14:40 |
| tybollt | perhaps if you trying taping videos | 14:40 |
| joga | Appiah: I read mentioned that it was because some regulations could be violated, in theory at least, when the device is plugged in and transmitting | 14:40 |
| summel | *writes a voodoo-app* | 14:40 |
| joga | or maybe it was just a speculated reason | 14:40 |
| pupnik_ | tybollt, enough attempts at wit for the rest of 2010 from you | 14:40 |
| TigerTael | ab, I'm one of those people... | 14:40 |
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| TigerTael | (At home anyway) | 14:40 |
| tybollt | pupnik_: awww :) | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ab: don't worry, the rest of them will vanish in a few weeks/months when OC electrocuted their CPU | 14:42 |
| tybollt | question is why the thread wasnt' just locked/deleted though... | 14:42 |
| TigerTael | I don't recommend that. | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | because that wouldn't help | 14:43 |
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| ab | DocScrutinizer, :) | 14:43 |
| Khertan_ | tybollt: because discution will be at another place | 14:44 |
| Khertan_ | tybollt: here we can at least warn people | 14:44 |
| Khertan_ | it s what i think | 14:44 |
| Khertan_ | maybe not the "official" talk moderator view | 14:44 |
| TigerTael | Anybody who is willing to flash an unofficial image should be prepared for the worst. | 14:44 |
| TigerTael | Worst being a completely bricked phone. | 14:45 |
| Arkenoi | anyone tested if there is SIM application menu in the leakware? | 14:46 |
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| Arkenoi | i have multiple IMSI/Ki's on my sim card selected via SIM app | 14:46 |
| tybollt | Arkenoi: not dual sim? | 14:47 |
| Arkenoi | no | 14:47 |
| tybollt | ok | 14:47 |
| Arkenoi | it is not cellular network operator provided sim | 14:47 |
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| Arkenoi | it is just blank sim i programmed myself | 14:47 |
| tybollt | ah | 14:47 |
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| Arkenoi | entering cellular network access codes by hand is so 90's | 14:48 |
| Arkenoi | reminds me of ESN/MIN etc ;-) | 14:49 |
| mece | who was that douche that kept aggressively saying it's safe and everyone should install the leaked software again? | 14:49 |
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| mece | same asshole who's been hazzling folk in the pr1.2 waiting thread. | 14:49 |
| * Arkenoi sees no point in installing the leakware *unless* you are extremely curious, willing to experiment and ready for consequences. | 14:50 | |
| MohammadAG_ | tbh I would've closed it before it got uploaded to 4 different places | 14:50 |
| Arkenoi | i am not but it is good there are people who are | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: you forgot "unrecoverable" | 14:50 |
| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, completely bricked is my idea of unrecoverable. | 14:51 |
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| TigerTael | It is REALLY a brick. | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 14:51 |
| TigerTael | I'm tired of everyone saying their phone is bricked when they can still flash it, etc. | 14:52 |
| * Arkenoi doubts it is that simple to brick "completely" | 14:52 | |
| TigerTael | I have an HTC Magic in my drawer, which is almost completely bricked. | 14:52 |
| tybollt | I understand why people ar curious - though can't someone try to emphasize why letting others be the 'test dummy' is indeed good thing? Compare to medication - how many of you would use meds that are yet to be approved by the govt? | 14:52 |
| * joga agrees that 'bricking' is far worse than messing up so it needs reflashing | 14:52 | |
| TigerTael | tybollt, if that medication was 1.2... LETS DO IT! | 14:53 |
| TigerTael | I mean seriously v1.2 > 1.1.1 | 14:53 |
| TigerTael | What could possibly go wrong? | 14:53 |
| joga | tybollt, many would use if they were unregulated also ;) | 14:53 |
| Arkenoi | well, i guess there are many people who consider 1.1.1 to be seriously sick and feel themselves in the need of urgent medication ;-) | 14:53 |
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| TigerTael | Arkenoi, haha. | 14:54 |
| viliny_ | whats this? 1.2 came out? | 14:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:54 |
| TigerTael | Seriously, I am quite happy with the way my N900 is now. | 14:54 |
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| TigerTael | oh god | 14:54 |
| joga | I'm looking forward to video chat in skype | 14:54 |
| joga | (never tried it) | 14:54 |
| alterego | I'm pretty happy with up-to PR 1.1.1 it does everything I want in a phone, and is my life as a mobile computer. | 14:55 |
| * Arkenoi wants faster flash player, but it is still the same in PR1.2 and leakware i think? | 14:55 | |
| alterego | USSD codes would be nice actually, | 14:55 |
| BCMM | it would be kinda nice to have an application other than "mirror" that actually uses the crap camera | 14:55 |
| BCMM | actually, a firmware that fixes the crap camera a bit would also be nice | 14:55 |
| TigerTael | I just need a better hardware device, that's all. ;] | 14:55 |
| TigerTael | Just use magic to fix it! | 14:55 |
| TigerTael | Software Magic (c) | 14:55 |
| ab | leakware is what, 12-9? | 14:56 |
| BCMM | i want websites to stop using flash | 14:56 |
| mece | I doubt pr1.2 is that far away though. And looks like there are some really cool new features in it. | 14:56 |
| mece | ab, yep. | 14:56 |
| Arkenoi | BCMM: not until we get html5 video | 14:56 |
| Arkenoi | which we do not have either | 14:56 |
| BCMM | while i dislike the iphone on both practical and philosophical grounds, i think it's likely to do good things to the internet | 14:56 |
| Lynoure | How can one see if they have PR1.1 or PR1.1.1? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki bricking | 14:56 |
| ab | mece, that should be almost 1.5month old if naming scheme still holds | 14:56 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bricking (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=November 2008}} When used in reference to consumer electronics, "'brick'" describes a device that cannot function in any capacity (such as a device with damaged firmware). This usage derives from the fact that some electronic devices (and their detachable power supplies) are vaguely brick-shaped, and so those which do not function are useful only as actual bricks. ... | 14:56 |
| TigerTael | mece, like what? | 14:56 |
| tybollt | OTOH - if sites are to stop using flash - then what? Mpeg instead? you have no idea buddy no idea whatsoever | 14:57 |
| Lynoure | uname -a or About product do not mention PR at all | 14:57 |
| BCMM | since it seems to be the only way to make dim people notice that not everybody has the same screen resolution and flash version | 14:57 |
| mece | TigerTael, well I like the skype video calling. Good one to show off to friends and such. | 14:57 |
| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, yep, sounds like what I'm saying. | 14:57 |
| TigerTael | cannot function in any capacity! | 14:57 |
| alterego | "Peter@Maemo Marketing" ? | 14:57 |
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| TigerTael | My HTC Magic is almost bricked. The only function it provides it turning on to display a little logo and then turning off. | 14:57 |
| TigerTael | And that's it. | 14:58 |
| mece | LOL | 14:58 |
| TigerTael | That's all you can do. | 14:58 |
| alterego | Was wondering how long it'd take Nokia to say something about the leakware | 14:58 |
| mece | altarego, what about him? | 14:58 |
| BCMM | but yeah, till the web sorts itself out a faster flash player would be nice | 14:58 |
| BCMM | especially since i get the impression that it is possible | 14:58 |
| mece | alterego, luovanto mentioned many hours ago. | 14:58 |
| BCMM | because videos tend to stutter for a bit, then play smooth, then stutter again | 14:58 |
| BCMM | (as opposed to constant stutter) | 14:58 |
| TigerTael | Just overclock your phone! | 14:59 |
| viliny_ | are we allowed to ask about the leaked pr1.2 or is that also risking a kick? | 14:59 |
| tybollt | adobe provides the better flash for windows - deal w/ it | 14:59 |
| summel | BCMM: http://blog.kaourantin.net/?p=89 | 14:59 |
| TigerTael | viliny_, go ahead and ask. | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lynoure: settings -> about | 14:59 |
| tybollt | viliny_: ask away | 14:59 |
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| BCMM | oh my, another way to find the MAC address | 15:00 |
| viliny_ | Okay, so they leaked it and people are using it now? Would you recommend it if you have tried it and where can one get it? | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lynoure: about product lists the real firmware version | 15:00 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: Like I said, About product does not mention PR for me at all | 15:00 |
| summel | do not use it | 15:00 |
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| TigerTael | viliny_, quite a few people tried it, many have big problems... some say it's fine for them... | 15:00 |
| viliny_ | i see... thank you TigerTael | 15:00 |
| TigerTael | But you cannot downgrade properly to get a fully working N900 again... | 15:00 |
| BCMM | i spent some time trying to find it, including remembering that /sbin/ifconfig is not in the path by default on debian | 15:00 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: so I am not sure if I have PR1.1 or PR1.1.1 or what. | 15:00 |
| BCMM | then got it from ifconfig | 15:00 |
| BCMM | then saw it on the damn box it came in... | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lynoure: you have to transcode the 2010-xx.yy to PR | 15:00 |
| TigerTael | viliny_, so if you don't feel like buying a new N900, just wait for the real thing. | 15:00 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: yes, but how? 3.2010.02-8 is what? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3.2010-02-8 is PR1.1.1 | 15:01 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: thank you. :) | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the '02' part is week of year | 15:02 |
| TigerTael | 8 is how awesome it is | 15:02 |
| summel | lol | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:02 |
| BCMM | when pr1.2 does come out, will i have to do anything special? or will it just appear like a normal package update? | 15:02 |
| mece | viliny_, note that the leaked fw might cause unrecoverable problems. | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought it's how many Nokians it needed to hit the enter key for the compiler run | 15:03 |
| summel | BCMM: normal update | 15:03 |
| mece | BCMM, just update from ham. | 15:03 |
| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, ahaha. | 15:03 |
| BCMM | ham? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ham | 15:03 |
| infobot | ham is probably oink oink | 15:03 |
| tybollt | ~bacon | 15:04 |
| infobot | rumour has it, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... | 15:04 |
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| summel | ham - hildon apt mechanic | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hams also is Hildon Application Manager | 15:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about? | 15:04 |
| mece | hildon application manager. Not to be confused with Hammy from over the hedge. hammy -> FAST, ham -> slooooow | 15:04 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: close :D | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ham also is Hildon Application Manager | 15:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ham is also Hildon Application Manager | 15:04 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 15:04 |
| mece | LOL | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird syntax | 15:04 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: What are you talking about? | 15:05 |
| mece | infobot beaten into submission! | 15:05 |
| Khertan_ | ~ham is also Hazardous Application Manager | 15:05 |
| infobot | Khertan_: okay | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: botsnack | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ham | 15:06 |
| infobot | rumour has it, ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager | 15:06 |
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| Khertan_ | :) | 15:06 |
| viliny_ | tybollt, TigerTael & mece : Thanks for the info, any fun thread about this where they discuss it? I mean people who had problems so far and whatnot? or is that the one in the topic? (did not go through it completely) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ping | 15:06 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: pong | 15:06 |
| mece | viliny_, anything in active topics will work. Bring popcorn. | 15:06 |
| Tuukka | 3.2010.02-8 is 1.1.1 i think | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: so, what's steps if we'd like to get community SSU a repo on maemo.org? not sure if jeremiah's picking up on the task since it was largely ignored since 25 april | 15:07 |
| Tuukka | a bit late.... | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Who will be uploading? | 15:08 |
| mece | viliny_, some of the most tragicomic ones are in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51653 | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: i guess i can take responsibility of it if need be | 15:08 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: but lma is primary author | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Ok, is maemo.org signing it? | 15:08 |
| viliny_ | hehee | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what are you after, mate? | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: booze and cheap liquor | 15:09 |
| viliny_ | mece: i was reading that yeah :) poor guy, hope he gets his phone working again | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: hmm. that is a good question - what's the difference if it is and if it isn't? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fix your iron! | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: It needs to be signed and the key must be known by HAM, iirc. | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: So you need a package which adds the key. | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: right | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Why don't we setup a meeting to get this going. I can take care of the server part. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, it sounds like a good idea | 15:11 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: We should be able to set this up in a short time. | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: 'Re: Community updates for diablo' on maemo-developers thread should be an ideal place, set up a doodle or something | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | Just pick a time to meet in #maemo-meeting | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:12 |
| alterego | Right, I'm going to flash my device ina bit. | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'll reply to the mail then | 15:12 |
| alterego | With 1.1.1 ^.^ | 15:12 |
| alterego | Gonna do a backup first. | 15:12 |
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| X-Fade | Ok. | 15:12 |
| mece | alterego, what are you running now? | 15:12 |
| alterego | mece: 1.1.1 just had some issues recently, with changing themes. | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Let's try to get it done this week then :) | 15:13 |
| alterego | BAsically, I can't change themes. | 15:13 |
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| tybollt | so is there no gossip at all about N910 around here? :) | 15:14 |
| alterego | I'm waiting for the N900 wimax :P | 15:15 |
| sandstorm | I am very new to this stuff and wonder if I can compile the source codes in maemo with its native c flags and optimization sets in order to have an effectively ported open source software. But as far as I know, GNU tools are not natively included in maemo. Any workouts for this? | 15:15 |
| andrewfblack | I see I missed all the fun this weekend with Pr 1.2 Leak | 15:15 |
| mece | catch you later maemites. I'm off. *waves* | 15:15 |
| Termana | yeah, "fun" :P | 15:15 |
| achipa | the pr-unnamed of yesterday was enough gossip for the whole year... | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | andrewfblack: you can still flash it | 15:15 |
| Termana | cya mece | 15:15 |
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| tybollt | mece: 'marmites' | 15:15 |
| alterego | andrewfblack: me too, just reading dome of the insanity at the moment. | 15:15 |
| andrewfblack | jacekowski: I wouldn't want to I mean the fun of t.m.o going crasy | 15:15 |
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| viliny_ | did we see any actual fun stuff in the leaked pr? | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | nothing | 15:16 |
| andrewfblack | viliny_: Yeah I think its funny how the community is acting | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | couple broken things | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | but it's apparently month old | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | do you want to try it? | 15:17 |
| viliny_ | i really don't | 15:17 |
| andrewfblack | jacekowski: not sure why anyone would | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Beware that you can't go back to an older release. | 15:17 |
| viliny_ | didn't know they maemo community had such asshats on the forums though :P | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | Well, without losing your phone capabilities :) | 15:17 |
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| viliny_ | X-Fade: yeah, modem apparently gets permaflashed :P | 15:18 |
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| andrewfblack | viliny_: there are a lot of those on the forums | 15:18 |
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| X-Fade | viliny_: Yes, cellmo versions are linked to releases. So there is no mixing possible. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit awkward you can't downgrade fwiw | 15:19 |
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| Termana | Isn't it possible to just flash the rootfs rather than the full fiasco image? | 15:19 |
| viliny_ | No official word of when the real version is coming then? I mean the guy basicly has a slightly more powerfull n800 untill then? | 15:19 |
| alterego | It is possible, but all the kernel modules are in the rootfs | 15:19 |
| andrewfblack | Whats that alot of people say that N900 really isn't a phone I guess for some people now it really isn' a phone | 15:20 |
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| alterego | I was thinking of maybe taking out the firmware for the cellmo in the latest so it doesn't update it on flashing. | 15:20 |
| sandstorm | do the firmware upgrades clean up and reinstall the whole operating system from scratch or do they leave trails for conf files and etc ? | 15:20 |
| alterego | Hahah | 15:20 |
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| Termana | alterego, right, and your flashing the rootfs so the modules will be there. And if the kernel has been updated, then you just flash the kernel as well. | 15:21 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, I guess cellmo doesn't have a fixed api. | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: (linked to releases) I wonder why that is... | 15:22 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Modem is the sensitive black box, voodoo happens there ;) | 15:23 |
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| Appiah | DocScrutinizer: I cant find a bug in the tracker for that (Fm transmitter) | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I know, but unless API change there's no reason to hard-associate it to a certain / version | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No idea, I'm glad I'm not working on that ;) | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 15:24 |
| * MohammadAG_ wonders why Khertan doesn't upload to devel | 15:24 | |
| Termana | MohammadAG_, because hes a man of Jesus | 15:25 |
| Termana | :P | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: ou've been living under a stone? | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, no, in a cave maybe but not under a stone | 15:25 |
| * Khertan_ didn't understand why everyone blame me for that | 15:25 | |
| MohammadAG_ | no one blames you lol | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's already enabled here | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | just wondering why | 15:26 |
| Khertan_ | MohammadAG_: oh ... i ll not explain it again here as such discution to be end in troll ... | 15:26 |
| viliny_ | heh, this thread is gold... | 15:26 |
| Khertan_ | and people saying that i m destroying the community | 15:26 |
| viliny_ | wonder what logic people use when they decide a dodgey firmware is worth putting in your phone without any questions asked | 15:26 |
| Khertan_ | so i keep reason for me | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | Khertan, I don't troll :) | 15:26 |
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| MohammadAG_ | as you wish *types apt-get upgrade* | 15:27 |
| Khertan_ | you aren't ... but others do each time | 15:27 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | viliny_: especially when all the tools are there to make a fraudulent fw release.. | 15:27 |
| viliny_ | yeah, what stops me from taking a fw and just plain out damaging it on purpose and the spreading it and watching the first 100 people flash their phones | 15:28 |
| viliny_ | if they community really doesn't take more caution than this | 15:29 |
| Khertan_ | you can also put crappy malwares in it too | 15:29 |
| Khertan_ | or time bombed hw destroy function | 15:29 |
| Termana | Everyone have their tin foil hats ready? | 15:29 |
| * achipa wonders what he has done to offend the gods of QNap | 15:29 | |
| X-Fade | Did they change the API on you? :) | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: bug 6792 | 15:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected | 15:31 |
| viliny_ | Then again, im downloading a bunch of crap people are uploading to extras and extra devels and all those risky places without much further caution so who am i to judge these people... won't be flashing the leaked firmware though, i have _some_ survival instinct built up in these years of electronics dickery | 15:32 |
| Appiah | DocScrutinizer: does not play while USB cord.. | 15:33 |
| Appiah | huh | 15:33 |
| Appiah | Not my issue really but it maybe has some relevant info in there | 15:33 |
| Appiah | I'll check it out | 15:33 |
| * achipa is in the perfect storm - the official firmware ftp dir is empty, the NAS is dead, it's a holiday, and the vendor forum dies with a DB error on login attempts | 15:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: what kind of plug does your charger use? | 15:35 |
| Appiah | ohwell fixed in next version | 15:35 |
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| Appiah | I've tried both the car charger and the normal charger | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: i gave in and bought a ss4200e, control over my own software :P | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | Appiah, the normal charger works | 15:36 |
| Appiah | both works | 15:36 |
| Appiah | for me | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | apiand both had.... USB-plug - dadaaah | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | (needs a signal boost, and fm-boost handles that quite well) | 15:36 |
| Appiah | but they drop the strength | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | ^^ | 15:36 |
| Appiah | (Yes I have booster) | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | Rerun it and the signal will be boosted more | 15:36 |
| Appiah | Ye thats what I've been doing | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | metal in the charger should also help boost it more | 15:37 |
| Appiah | but I'd rather not play around with the n900 in the car :) | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: ^^ | 15:37 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: my fault really. Should have insisted on Debian at deployment. But nooo, shiny web interfaces are gooood. | 15:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Appiah, duplicate the shortcuts on a full desktop :P | 15:38 |
| Appiah | :D | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: i have a lovely solaris install on my 4x1tb server.. loving it :P | 15:38 |
| Appiah | I'm gonna dedicate one desktop for car use | 15:38 |
| achipa | achipa: yeah. rub it in. :) | 15:38 |
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| achipa | Stskeeps: talking to myself. that bad. | 15:39 |
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| Appiah | hmm , can you make the desktop icons bigger? =) | 15:39 |
| tybollt | you sound like my mum | 15:40 |
| tybollt | They gave her a 22" screen at work and she ran it in 640*480 | 15:40 |
| alterego | Think I might doa full reflash today, eMMC and root | 15:40 |
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| viliny_ | tybollt: i didn't know you could run modern screens at that resolution :) | 15:41 |
| tybollt | me neither >:) | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | viliny_, Windows can do anything! | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:42 |
| viliny_ | mine only goes to 800xXXX here at work | 15:42 |
| viliny_ | a 22" acer | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | mine can go down to 640x480 on windows, same as viliny_ on Ubuntu | 15:42 |
| * MohammadAG waves goodbye @ Ubuntu | 15:42 | |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 15:43 |
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| viliny_ | ...what? :P | 15:43 |
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| viliny_ | Oh version... well eh, actually this is a xp machine but im running a linux mint (which is ubuntu, yeah....) inside a virtual machine | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Appiah: there's a package called python dbus scripting or somesuch. You could set up a script triggered on plug insertion that does a "echo 150 >tx_level" | 15:47 |
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| Appiah | DocScrutinizer: yes I thought about it | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | the kernel limit is 118 | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | it is implied in the driver soure this is a hardware limit | 15:48 |
| zomg | Hi, I'm getting "su: must be suid to work properly" on N900 when attempting to run a Qt app. I compiled it in Scratchbox with FREMANTLE_ARMEL target. Any ideas what's up? | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | source | 15:48 |
| Appiah | but since its fixed in PR1.2 and I read some blog about it coming soon :) | 15:48 |
| Appiah | just kidding | 15:48 |
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| Appiah | I was just gonna do a script and a shortcut to it | 15:48 |
| Appiah | for now | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (118) this was an abstract stanza | 15:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | orry - for some reason I thought this was fmtx | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/stanza/sketch | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, coffee doesn't kick in | 15:51 |
| tybollt | addict... | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MOAR COFFEE | 15:52 |
| tybollt | I'm olready at my fifth or so cup today and I'm yawning still... | 15:53 |
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| MohammadAG | any ideas? :/ http://i42.tinypic.com/98eply.jpg | 15:56 |
| viliny_ | MohammadAG: what was the ubuntu comment about earlier? | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | which one exactly | 15:57 |
| viliny_ | MohammadAG> mine can go down to 640x480 on windows, same as viliny_ on Ubuntu | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | err, resolution | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | 800x480 | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | ubuntu's gone now, if only I can get debian running... | 15:58 |
| Tuukka | ? | 15:59 |
| alterego | Okay, here goes nothing, about to flash | 15:59 |
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| alterego | I use my N900 as a modem, it's my only access to the internet, if I'm not back in 10 minutes then presume that I can't get access to the internet anymore. | 16:00 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG: sorry you're not going to rickroll/tinypic-me :P | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu MohammadAG | 16:02 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual | 16:02 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Ubuntu's failing ;) | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, forget MohammadAG | 16:03 |
| infobot | i didn't have anything called 'mohammadag' to forget, MohammadAG | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~debian MohammadAG | 16:03 |
| * infobot tells MohammadAG to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 16:03 | |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, forget Ubuntu | 16:03 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: i forgot ubuntu | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo ubuntu | 16:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: there's no such factoid as ubuntu | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~unforget ubuntu | 16:04 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'ubuntu'. Have fun now. | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | that's a smart bot | 16:04 |
| tybollt | ~rpm | 16:04 |
| infobot | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ | 16:04 |
| FredrIQ | Factoids... | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if you defined it with MohammadAG in it why'd you unforget it :) | 16:05 |
| Termana | ~unforget analsex | 16:05 |
| infobot | Termana: that factoid was not backedup :/ | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | ~Ubuntu test123 | 16:05 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to test123 in a way that causes test123 to weep with gratitude that test123 must read the fine, friendly manual | 16:05 | |
| Termana | I'm pretty sure it was "backed up" | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh, I failed | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rpm tybollt | 16:05 |
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| viliny_ | Newest ubuntu release candidate actually managed to severely fook up my bios on laptop, i was well impressed. | 16:06 |
| FredrIQ | infobot, what is maemo about? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | ugh | 16:06 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, FredrIQ | 16:06 |
| FredrIQ | meh | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot, what is maemo | 16:07 |
| infobot | maemo is probably http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 16:07 |
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| FredrIQ | ~factoid Arch | 16:10 |
| * infobot gives Arch a cup of trinitrotoluene | 16:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo arch | 16:11 |
| infobot | arch -- last modified at Thu Apr 22 18:04:26 2004 by jim!~jim@cpe-24-143-141-183.cable.alamedanet.net; it has been requested 5 times, last by d1b at Fri Jan 15 07:27:03 2010. | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~arch | 16:11 |
| infobot | Object-oriented library of tools for MP machine and networkprogramming. URL: http://lagaffe.cpe.fr/~arch/, or version control software aiming to be better than cvs; at http://wiki.gnuarch.org/ | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'a cup of TNT' - wow | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheers :-D | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now, I know about medical use of Glycerinetrinitrate | 16:13 |
| adeus | aargch | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...but toluenetrinitrate? | 16:13 |
| zomg | Is there something else I need to do other than install maemo SDK + the Qt stuff to make things work on N900? | 16:14 |
| zomg | I tried compiling for FREMANTLE_ARMEL in scratchbox but can't run it on device | 16:14 |
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| Lynoure | zomg: "can't run"... so what happens? | 16:14 |
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| zomg | Lynoure: trying to run with su -c ./testapp user says "su: must be suid to work properly" | 16:15 |
| Lynoure | zomg: that's not how you run it. | 16:15 |
| zomg | Why does it say so in the maemo wiki then >_> | 16:15 |
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| Lynoure | zomg: ./runstandalone.sh yourapp seems to work well | 16:16 |
| zomg | On device, not in scratchbox | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | without the ./ | 16:16 |
| Lynoure | zomg: yes, on the device. | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | zomg, actually it does help on both | 16:16 |
| zomg | oh hm, I shall try that then | 16:16 |
| Lynoure | zomg: can you point me to the wiki page in question? | 16:16 |
| zomg | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4_Hildon#Device | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: there's no real su on maemo | 16:17 |
| Lynoure | zomg: you can test how things work in the scratchbox, interesting if that works in the x86 side of it | 16:17 |
| alterego | And success | 16:17 |
| zomg | Lynoure: ah so I should think of the scratchbox environment more like a vm? | 16:18 |
| zomg | so I guess I should also install the packages I did apt-get on scratchbox to the N900 too? | 16:18 |
| Lynoure | zomg: That's up to you, but I do test my app on the scratchbox before bothering to test it on the device. | 16:19 |
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| zomg | cause I don't have runstandalone on device =) | 16:19 |
| Lynoure | zomg: makes it faster, by far. | 16:19 |
| Lynoure | it = development cycle | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: first of all: why do you want to run your apt with root-perm? | 16:19 |
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| zomg | DocScrutinizer: I don't. It just said that on the wiki page | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's nonsense | 16:19 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: it does say so. | 16:19 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: Dunno why. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | frequently you want to run your apps under user | 16:20 |
| zomg | Installation of the whole dev thing was a breeze until this point where I actually need to run the stuff on the real device | 16:20 |
| zomg | Now it's just not quite working :D | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zomg: create a ELF for armel; copy that ELF (aka binary) to user@N900/, run it from xterm on N900 like 'chmod a+x ~user/myApp; ~user/myApp' | 16:23 |
| Lynoure | zomg: run-standalone.sh | 16:23 |
| Lynoure | zomg: I missed the - as I was typing from memory | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's also nonsense. run-standalone.sh only needed when running an app under a non-user environment | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like e.g. from crontab | 16:24 |
| zomg | ah yes now it seems to be trying to actually do something | 16:24 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: Interesting, it was in the packaging tutorial that I ran into. Oops :) | 16:24 |
| zomg | and looks like I can't put it in MyDocs either, has to be in /home/user | 16:25 |
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| alterego | It really annoys me how the file manager doesn't use back for navigation. I keep closing the window instead of navigating up :/ | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: MyDocs is a VFAT mounted noexec | 16:25 |
| zomg | That doesn't really say anything to me :) | 16:25 |
| Lynoure | DocScrutinizer: any harm in using it needlessly? | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lynoure: not really | 16:25 |
| zomg | libQtXmlPatterns.so: cannot open shared object file | 16:25 |
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| zomg | Did the wiki omit the part where you install Qt on device? :P | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: means you simply can't start executables stored there | 16:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:26 |
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| adeus | crontab is on the device? | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, actually not :-P | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | adeus: use alarmed app instead | 16:28 |
| adeus | ah thought so :) | 16:28 |
| zomg | Ah great | 16:28 |
| zomg | after doing apt-get install libqt4-xmlpatterns the app launches | 16:28 |
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| zomg | maybe it would be a good idea to include little details like these on the wiki page cause they sure can be confusing to noobs like myself =) | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems a little tad too generic for mentioning it on a wiki about maemo | 16:30 |
| SimonLR | The error seems self explanatory | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you'll need to install libraries for an app on any OS | 16:31 |
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| zomg | Maybe a short section saying you may need to install qt libraries on device | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually apt/ham is doing that for you, by checking the dependencies | 16:32 |
| zomg | Yeah if you install it via the app manager I think | 16:32 |
| BCMM | i am a bit confused about different sources of applications for maemo | 16:32 |
| BCMM | there is the app manager, ovi store and maemo select | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: no, as you may also need to install other libraries, depending on what your app is linked against | 16:32 |
| BCMM | is that all, and what is the overlap between those three? | 16:32 |
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| zomg | DocScrutinizer: ok, I did manage to figure it out pretty quickly so maybe it's not so vital =) | 16:34 |
| zomg | In general it probably comes more naturally to linux guys | 16:34 |
| zomg | More of a windows guy myself | 16:34 |
| zokier | BCMM, apps installed via app manager are usually free software, ovi store is meant for commercial/proprietary apps | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | zomg: so add a passage pointing to the need to care about installing all referenced libs yourself, if you just copy an executable. This will be enough to catch all issues | 16:35 |
| zokier | app manager also manages apps installed via ovi store to make things even more confusing | 16:35 |
| BCMM | zokier: so stuff from ovi store isn't in the repositories, or what? | 16:36 |
| BCMM | i mean, does they automatically update? | 16:36 |
| BCMM | and is maemo select just a list of things that can also be found in app manager? | 16:36 |
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| Khertan_ | BCMM: there is something in the ovistore ? | 16:37 |
| BCMM | ? | 16:38 |
| zokier | BCMM, i think that ovi store has a special repository in app manager, but im not sure about that | 16:38 |
| Khertan_ | it s a joke | 16:38 |
| Khertan_ | there is nothing interesting in ovistore : | 16:38 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 16:38 |
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| Khertan_ | and yes... when a update is release on ovistore, the update manager will also blink to warn you about new update | 16:38 |
| Khertan_ | as ovistore is managed as a special repository | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically there's only apmanager HAM. Everything else is just a funky way to control HAM's operations (except apt-get) | 16:40 |
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| BCMM | i can't seem to use ovi store | 16:45 |
| BCMM | i have made an account | 16:45 |
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| TigerTael | OVI store is a bit dodgy for me sometimes, selecting certain items in the list is almost impossible. | 16:45 |
| BCMM | but when i click "download" on a free app i get a progress thing in the address bar for a couple of seconds, then nothing happens | 16:45 |
| toresbe | So PR1.2 is coming up soon, or? | 16:45 |
| toresbe | oops, sorry, just saw topic. | 16:46 |
| BCMM | ah, they forgot to mention the verification email | 16:46 |
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| dazo | that last post "NO PR1.2 YET" really shows a true open source oriented involvement ......... | 16:57 |
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| Khertan_ | lol | 17:00 |
| Khertan_ | dazo: this has nothing to do with open source | 17:00 |
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| dazo | Khertan_: N900 is based primarily on Open Source software ... it promotes open source software, maemo.org tries to drive a community around this ... it got everything to do with open source! | 17:01 |
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| Veggen | well. In a way it does. It's a bit none-open-sourcy to be so tight-lipped about what you do/when you release etc. | 17:01 |
| Khertan_ | dazo: and ? | 17:01 |
| TigerTael | dazo, I think you should be barking up MeeGo's tree. | 17:01 |
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| dazo | Khertan_: there are people willing to use their own devices, time and energy to test out PR1.2 ... and their willingness are just killed immediately with such responses | 17:02 |
| TigerTael | Oh Geez... you're one of those people? | 17:02 |
| dazo | Khertan_: the post basically says: Stay of the lawn until we open the gate | 17:02 |
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| Robot101 | if you file bugs on PR1.2, it will make it later | 17:03 |
| TigerTael | False bugs... | 17:03 |
| Robot101 | there has been enough of that already | 17:03 |
| TigerTael | Hurts the community. | 17:03 |
| Khertan_ | dazo: the post stay of the lawn until we have something stable to test | 17:03 |
| Khertan_ | it s old from unknow source firmware ... there is nothing to test on an outdated things | 17:04 |
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| dazo | gah ... you're not serious? you don't see that if more are interested in helping out, that the transition from "unstable" to more stable is going easier and quicker? | 17:04 |
| pgas | ( emacs development, lead by stallman, has done without a public repository or even publicly available beta release for years the release date was "when it will be ready" , it's still the case for bash ) | 17:04 |
| TigerTael | dazo, no, you will slow it down... | 17:04 |
| Khertan_ | dazo: no, false bug report on outdated version without crashlog will not help ... | 17:05 |
| Robot101 | dazo: we've been involved in PR1.2 on the inside.... believe me, people moving the goalposts around is the last thing you want if you're trying to call it done and ship it | 17:05 |
| pupnik_ | dont miss the call for Super Testers : http://maemo.org/community/council/super-testers_required_to_clear_up_extras_backlog/ | 17:05 |
| TigerTael | I say if you want to use it, go right ahead... just don't come crying here and don't submit bug reports on something that isn't fit for public consumption. | 17:05 |
| Robot101 | if you keep moving your destination away from you, you never get there. it's like a team of football with 11 players, and 1000 people who are taking the goalposts out of the stadium... :) | 17:05 |
| dazo | Khertan_: I can agree if it is not updated ... and then you have my point: If we got more often test version which are suitable and more updated ... you'll get more and better test results | 17:05 |
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| TigerTael | I wouldn't say that is always the case. | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | the point is Nokia isn't intending to involve a community test process in PR1.2, at the moment, so they have no process in place to deal with it | 17:06 |
| TigerTael | Beta firmwares on-top of other beta firmwares could cause more problems. | 17:06 |
| Khertan_ | dazo: from what i see from the test of packages available in extras-testing repository ... believe me ... nothing usefull | 17:06 |
| Khertan_ | so i didn't trust users testing fw | 17:06 |
| Robot101 | it's not even clear they're /allowed to/, due to certain software having to be certified before distribution by Nokia | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: you won't get better results | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll get later results | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | or no results | 17:07 |
| Robot101 | a leaked devel image and a bunch of bugs which might already have been fixed... don't suddenly create this valuable process for them | 17:07 |
| Robot101 | it's just noise, or if you try and listen, a distraction, as timeless_mbp says | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: there are hundreds of uncommitted things in the 'post' 1.2 queue | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but if the 1.2 gate moves later, then people will try to push those things into the 1.2 gate | 17:07 |
| dazo | Robot101: that's my point! get more solid and frequent test fw's out! | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and some of those will be buggy | 17:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | some of those bugs might not be found | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | in which case they'll end up in customers' hands | 17:08 |
| Robot101 | dazo: so make that point on its own, not by jumping up and down just because some PR1.2 image was leaked. | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and others will be found, in which case you have to move the gate further out | 17:08 |
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| dazo | timeless_mbp: how do you think f.ex. distributions like Fedora get their distros put together? by letting a big, limited group of people hack until they have Alpha and Beta releases available? | 17:09 |
| timeless_mbp | dazo: do you think this is a good use of my time? | 17:09 |
| timeless_mbp | i could either: | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | fix bugs in the product you care about | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | or explain to you why you're wasting my time | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | which would you rather? | 17:10 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: maemo (and the coming MeeGo) is a distribution as well | 17:10 |
| Robot101 | dazo: people who find problems in fedora can fix them - people who find problems in parts of maemo can only whine at nokia until they fix them. meego should be better, but that remains to be seen/proven. | 17:10 |
| dazo | timeless_mbp: with that attitude, I'd say you have not understood the core concept of open source involvement | 17:10 |
| TigerTael | The argument that Nokia should just release package fixes has a lot more merit than this... | 17:10 |
| * pupnik_ thanks timeless_mbp for caring what random chatter thinks and gently nudges him workwards | 17:10 | |
| frals | timeless_mbp: explaining sw development to users is no doubt the best way to spend your time | 17:10 |
| TigerTael | And even that has its problems. | 17:10 |
| Robot101 | dazo: Nokia has understood that this is broken, that's why MeeGo exists | 17:11 |
| * alterego wonders if this drama with the PR not 1.2 leak will force nokia to release a proper image to rescue all the idiots/devs that flashed their devices. | 17:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: not quite, but ok :) | 17:11 |
| Robot101 | dazo: they shouldn't be spending time/money on distro stuff which everyone needs | 17:11 |
| dazo | Robot101: I hope you're right | 17:11 |
| TigerTael | alterego, if I was Nokia, I wouldn't. | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: not a chance :) | 17:11 |
| alterego | TigerTael: me either ;) | 17:11 |
| alterego | :) | 17:12 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: yeah I appreciate there's a difference between a distro and a product image | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Robot101: oh, i'm not talking about that | 17:12 |
| TigerTael | alterego, it might even cause a greater delay. | 17:12 |
| alterego | It's a good learning experience for the "community" imo | 17:12 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: but it lowers the stuff that Nokia is carrying the can for by itself | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | merely as a reason for converting from maemo to meego | 17:12 |
| Robot101 | timeless_mbp: oh, it's /a/ reason, I know there are a load of other crazies going on :P | 17:12 |
| alterego | I might flash meego actually. | 17:12 |
| Khertan_ | alterego: if i was nokia i ll post information saying that due to leaked image ... now the testing squad instead of validating the current fw will delay it to test the migration from the leaked fw | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: standard policy is to not comment about leaks | 17:13 |
| pupnik_ | hahah evil Khertan_ | 17:13 |
| TigerTael | Khertan, I wouldn't say it if it weren't true... | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | or even to acknowledge they exist | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | timeless_mbp: yep but will be funny :) | 17:13 |
| alterego | Even though I just flashed 1.1.1 just to get a clean device, might flash meego and have a play. | 17:13 |
| TigerTael | Khertan, but it might cause an extra day or two. | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | as far as i know, no information has ever been leaked by anyone | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | leaks can't happen! | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | like titanic , | 17:13 |
| achipa | especially after too much beer ! | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | n | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | , | 17:13 |
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| dazo | last famous words .... | 17:14 |
| Khertan_ | god ... key broken on my keyboard ... | 17:14 |
| TigerTael | "We don't need a professional, I can fix it!" | 17:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa / GeneralAntilles: have you ever seen | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | "%s breaks the third party package policy\nContinue installing?" | 17:15 |
| Khertan_ | timeless_mbp: but anyway not comment it ... his a good things i think. | 17:15 |
| Khertan_ | timeless_mbp: but anyway not comment it ... is a good things i think. | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: it is ok for us to note that we only support officially sanctioned updates | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | if you try to brick your device, you might very well succeed | 17:16 |
| timeless_mbp | and that's not a supported configuration | 17:16 |
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| Khertan_ | timeless_mbp: of course ... but i'm not too fool enough to trust something from an unknow source | 17:16 |
| alterego | Just noticed, how the meego n900 "codedrop" is timestamped the same asthe PR1.2 leaked image. | 17:17 |
| alterego | Coincidence? :D | 17:17 |
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| Khertan_ | surely | 17:18 |
| TigerTael | alterego, what would that mean? | 17:19 |
| alterego | I was also expecting, after the first meego code drop, regular, maybe weekly builds or something. | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here intimately familiar w/ ham? | 17:19 |
| * timeless_mbp got an error message which people here don't recognize :) | 17:19 | |
| alterego | But nothing has been happening in the public meego arena as far as images is concerned for quite some time. | 17:20 |
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| alterego | And seeing the videos of meego on youtube from that conference in Japan made me wanna play! :) | 17:20 |
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| Khertan_ | alterego: the video you see with a netbook ui isn't really meego ... but part of moblin on top of the meego code drop | 17:23 |
| alterego | Khertan_: yeah, that thought did cross my mind | 17:23 |
| alterego | What about the TV and the phone? :) | 17:23 |
| Khertan_ | for tv and phone i didn't see anything | 17:23 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:23 |
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| alterego | otoh, it did look like the the screenshots posted of the meego ui for the netbook | 17:24 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: 'in ur device - fixin ur spelling'? | 17:24 |
| tybollt | maybe not an errormsg - more like an info msg | 17:24 |
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| spectre- | jesus christ my isp is terrible | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: i'll post a picture for you | 17:25 |
| spectre- | can anyone see this? | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | spectre-: i can't see what you're writing, write louder! | 17:26 |
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| spectre- | thanks | 17:27 |
| spectre- | any word on when the new os update will be out? | 17:27 |
| alterego | Haven't you heard? | 17:27 |
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| Khertan_ | spectre-: read the topic | 17:28 |
| spectre- | Whoops. | 17:28 |
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| N900evil | n900 admirer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4575011110/ | 17:30 |
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| tybollt | spectre-: please do not ask - people in here are a tad edgy and you will get on their nerves by asking :) | 17:30 |
| spectre- | lol :) sorry | 17:30 |
| spectre- | having lots of reboot crashes lately | 17:31 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: lolcat pics are always welcome | 17:31 |
| spectre- | been itchin for a reason to reflash :p | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: do you by any coincidence have deeper knowledge about bme internals? | 17:31 |
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| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: I don't even know what bme is... sorry! | 17:35 |
| Robot101 | bong management entity? | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: http://mxr.moego.org/maemo5/search?string=breaks+the+3rd | 17:35 |
| Robot101 | baseband modem equipment? | 17:35 |
| Robot101 | battery mangling entropy | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | battery management entity | 17:35 |
| Robot101 | see? I'd have got there in the end :D | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:35 |
| Robot101 | but no, sorry, no clue | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | Ah, gnumeric has been rebuilt for n900 | 17:39 |
| RST38h | ehlo zap | 17:39 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: ugh | 17:40 |
| tybollt | was it you doc who got the extended batt or was it sjk? | 17:40 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows why this is a broken dependency: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/speccy/1.7.0-2/ ??? | 17:41 |
| tybollt | memory eludes me... | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10090 | 17:41 |
| povbot | Bug 10090: Unlocalizable string in Application breaks the 3rd party package policy | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no special bat | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK planned to get a whole zoo of second source batteries. And afaik e's got a mugen | 17:42 |
| RST38h | Doc: Care to check what the libosso1 version is on your n900? | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | The mugen is so good I lost interest in getting a zoo | 17:43 |
| frals | so this nokia qt sdk was nice, until youa ctually wanted to compile | 17:43 |
| frals | /bin/sh: C:NokiaQtSDKSimulatorQtmingwbin/uic.exe: No such file or directory | 17:43 |
| frals | awesome \o/ | 17:43 |
| ShadowJK | And people buying the "Gold 1900mAh" battery seem to have figured out on their own that it's a lie | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: toss a cmdline | 17:43 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK,frals: could you check the version of libosso1 on your tablets? | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: it probably doesn't expect to be hosted by sh | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | use cmd.exe | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Doc: ls -l /usr/lib/*osso1* ? | 17:44 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: i wonder what file i would be editing to change that | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /usr/lib/*osso1* | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: /usr/lib/*osso1*: No such file or directory | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: sysinternals.com procmon.exe is your friend | 17:45 |
| achipa | RST38h: 2.26-1+0m5 | 17:45 |
| achipa | on a PR1.1.1 | 17:45 |
| RST38h | achipa: thanks | 17:45 |
| RST38h | achipa: thus, maemo.org is broken again | 17:45 |
| achipa | you mean - still | 17:45 |
| ShadowJK | n800 diablo: ii libosso1 2.16-1 | 17:45 |
| RST38h | well, it was supposed to be fixed | 17:46 |
| ShadowJK | n900: ii libosso1 2.26-1+0m5 | 17:46 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: More interested in N900. I am pretty sure that Diablo build will work | 17:46 |
| RST38h | (but commits to Diablo Extras are also broken, it seems) | 17:46 |
| pupnik | hmm sdk has 2.31 | 17:46 |
| Shapeshifter | might it be possible to configure irreco to send the appropriate signal to open my '89 Citroen? It has a PLIP and I have the number which is used inside the transciever | 17:46 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ja, the mugen is what I was getting at... been some time - wondering what the usage has been like | 17:46 |
| tybollt | sjk: so, do spill it mate :) | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: what's PLIP? | 17:48 |
| achipa | RST38h: what's your original depends ? | 17:49 |
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| achipa | are you doing through shlibs or manually ? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: usually those car remotes work with rolling key, but maybe not the IR ones | 17:49 |
| RST38h | achipa: manually | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | calling pkg-config | 17:49 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: well? | 17:49 |
| RST38h | But 2.26 should be a valid dependency, as it is present in pr1.1.1 | 17:49 |
| RST38h | No idea why maemo.org marks it as missing | 17:50 |
| achipa | RST38h: are the others valid too ? | 17:50 |
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| achipa | 'cause you could have a dep that pushed the thing to pr1.2 and there it's not valid anymore | 17:50 |
| johnsq | Hi | 17:50 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well it's an IR one... | 17:51 |
| Shapeshifter | and it's pretty old, this thing. 21 years | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I remember I shocked a friend by copying his IR key code into my IR controler wristwatch and unlocking his car | 17:51 |
| achipa | hey, lookie here, the link actually goes to 2.23-1+0m5 | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | was ~1998 | 17:52 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah well I bet that would work on mine as well... 1989 ;) | 17:52 |
| Shapeshifter | but I have no clue how to enter such a key on the n900 | 17:52 |
| RST38h | achipa: the rest is deemed valid | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so just find a way to record the signal | 17:52 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: record? | 17:52 |
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| * RST38h sighs | 17:53 | |
| achipa | RST38h: actually, you are invalid for PR1.0, not sure if that's a blocker or not... | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: check out the LIRC docs about how to add new remotes | 17:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ... | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the policy i hit is something that complains about foo (< bar) | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: http://www.lirc.org/html/irrecord.html | 17:55 |
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| alterego | I couldn't sort mine out, as I don't know the brand of my TV :( | 17:57 |
| alterego | On the plus side, we have an infrared decoder at work I was going to use to generate my own files :) | 17:57 |
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| alterego | I was slightly annoyed that no-one has a file for the Dell XPS media remote either .. | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | open up the remote, check the name of the chip used. google for that chip name to find other brands of remotes using same chip | 17:58 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'll try that, I was contemplating doing it, but didn't think it'd be viable. | 17:59 |
| alterego | HAve you had success in the past? | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometimes yes, sometimes no | 18:01 |
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| alterego | Well, I'm guessing that as it's a very cheap TV, that they'd use very common parts, so I was thinking it'd be pretty generic and available. | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also skimming the lists of remote types and associated programming codes, as used by 'programmable universal ir-remote" sometimes help a lot | 18:02 |
| SmokeyD | hey everyone. I am trying to get the nokia map loader to download maps on my N900. I see a lot of guides telling me it should work if I connect my phone in mass usb storage mode. But if I do and then start map loader, it complains that I should connect the phone in pc suite mode. If I do that, and start ovi maps, it complains that I need to start it in mass storage mode. Which is it? | 18:02 |
| SimonLR | SmokeyD, stop using Map Loader. | 18:03 |
| SmokeyD | SimonLR: how else should I do it? | 18:03 |
| SmokeyD | or is there another mapper app that lets me get the map data offline? | 18:03 |
| SimonLR | SmokeyD, please hold. I will find you this link. | 18:04 |
| SmokeyD | SimonLR: Cool, thanks | 18:04 |
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| SimonLR | SmokeyD, http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/01/sideloading-nokiaovi-maps.html | 18:05 |
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| ShadowJK | tybollt, sorry? I missed the question | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, Oh, well, it's the promised 2400mAh capacity, what more can I say :) | 18:06 |
| ShadowJK | Actually depending on how you measure it, it would be perfectly marketable as 2500 mAh too :P | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: http://lgknowledgebase.com/kb/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=3252 | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: for example | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt and co: i think i have a set of things that might work | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: find your remote -> find other remotes using same codenumber | 18:08 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: thanks, I'll have a look now :) | 18:08 |
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| SimonLR | SmokeyD, let me know if you have any problems | 18:09 |
| SmokeyD | SimonLR: Cool, thanks a lot. Going to try it now | 18:09 |
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| ag0ny | Is it possible to increase the output strength of the IR-Sender of the Nokia N900? When I sit right in front of the tv Irreco works, if I sit back on the couch (where i would need a remote) it does not work. | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:10 |
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| ag0ny | damn | 18:11 |
| ag0ny | :D | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but possibly N900 isn't operating on the exact carrier frequency | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | is the PWM fixed frequency? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | which would result in a drastically reduced range | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for sure not | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | User programmable somehow? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssure | 18:12 |
| ag0ny | DocScrutinizer: How can I find out the correct freq and is it possible to be set via software? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | It's "supposed" to be 38kHz for everything | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | I guess inaccuracies in the receiver and in the transmitter can add up though | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: err, what?= | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | oh it isn't 38? | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonono | 18:13 |
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| X-Fade | There are a lot of carrier frequencies in use for IR remotes. | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's everything from 32KHz to 46KHz out there | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, it can be set by software | 18:13 |
| ShadowJK | This receiver I dug out of a dead VCR seems to pick up every remote I have :) | 18:14 |
| ShadowJK | so I assumed the freq was same :D | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | sensitivity may vary | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | it may pick up its design freq at 10m, but others at only 3m | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 18:14 |
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| tybollt | ShadowJK: ja but uhm... | 18:15 |
| tybollt | like | 18:15 |
| ag0ny | So, not much a hardware-related mildly knowledged, interested user can do... | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's what I suspect we see with N900 short range of operation | 18:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as the IR LED itself is quite beefy | 18:15 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: "I'm loving the battery life but unfortunately since it is so bulky I have had three pairs of pants destroyed. | 18:15 |
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| tybollt | " | 18:15 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 18:16 |
| tybollt | that kind of :) | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | I have one pair of jeans in which it becomes a bit uncomfortable :) | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: is there a sysnode to adjust CIR freq? | 18:17 |
| SimonLR | ShadowJK, so quit wearing those tight nut-huggers! | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | for sure | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | I think N900+Mugen is the first cellphone in a long time that I actually carry with me around the house | 18:17 |
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| ShadowJK | My previous few phones have had such bad battery life they always sat in a room on charger somewhere :P | 18:18 |
| tybollt | ja | 18:18 |
| centoslinux | Does Nokia N900 have WPA enterprise support? | 18:18 |
| tybollt | I know the feeling :) | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I don't remember. It's hooked to a PWM unit though. So it's flexible | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | PWM counters are quite flexible | 18:19 |
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| ShadowJK | tybollt, anyway the measurements are on the website, so just stuff your wallet with more loose change until it's as thick as N900 and then put it in your front pocket | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you can adjust the frequency at a range of f(clock) * (2^16 / n) with n=1..2^15 | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the pulsewidth in a range of 1/1..1/n | 18:22 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: I do not carry coins. If cashier hands me coins I flat out reject them or hand them back :) | 18:22 |
| tybollt | ehr clerk | 18:22 |
| SimonLR | ShadowJK, let's get a picture of this beast. | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually you can adjust the frequency at a range of f(clock) / (2^16 / n) with n=1..2^15 | 18:23 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: wow | 18:23 |
| tybollt | then there are these FUCKNUTS typicaslly in a conenience store that on breaking a hundred gives you like 9 tenner coins back... that I can tell you agravates me to no end... | 18:24 |
| SmokeyD | SimonLR: It works very nicely. Thanks a lot. Is there any way to do the same for the mapper application (I guess it is called maemo mapper)? Make it use a cached version of google maps or open streetmap? | 18:25 |
| MiXu- | I need coins for parking. | 18:25 |
| tybollt | true | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | SimonLR: yes | 18:25 |
| tybollt | so you have a bunch of coins in the coin-sta | 18:25 |
| SimonLR | SmokeyD, You'd have to talk to the author. | 18:26 |
| tybollt | sh in the car console | 18:26 |
| MiXu- | Altough fortunately you can usually pay your parking with a credit card where I live. | 18:26 |
| SmokeyD | SimonLR: ok | 18:26 |
| tybollt | MiXu-: jo, | 18:26 |
| SimonLR | SmokeyD, glad it worked for you. | 18:26 |
| peterloorke | Hi everyone i compiled my kernel to activate screen rotation on my N800 (to 2.26-1 omap1) | 18:28 |
| peterloorke | Now i want to revert my kernel to the original one | 18:29 |
| peterloorke | i found a n900 forum thread about this but not for a n800 | 18:29 |
| peterloorke | any suggesitons? | 18:29 |
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| ShadowJK | tybollt: n900 taking picture of itself in a mirror would be such an unhole fusion of emo and nerd, I refuse ;-) | 18:31 |
| ShadowJK | s/unhole/unholy/ | 18:31 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: tybollt: n900 taking picture of itself in a mirror would be such an unholy fusion of emo and nerd, I refuse ;-) | 18:31 |
| SimonLR | ShadowJK, He actually just wants to see the bulge in your pants. | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we're not going to compete who's got the largest bulge in his pants, are we? ;-P | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | wrong channel for doing that anyways | 18:33 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: FAIL - I didn't ask for pics | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | #joystick is one | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK does. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | He's got an extended battery. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | it's bigger. | 18:34 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: If I was I'd /msg you and I'd surely ask you to show your bitchtits too ;-P | 18:34 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, oops | 18:34 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: Found out info on the IR transmitter chip, can't seem to find a driver for lirc though :/ | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: so either you get your feet wet and check the chip's datasheet for the format of the IR codes, then find a matching driver/confic for LIRC. Or you simply record the original remote and create your own | 18:41 |
| alterego | I was thinking of the forme | 18:41 |
| alterego | +r | 18:41 |
| alterego | As I don't have a receiver here, it's at work | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | third possible approach is simply try&error | 18:42 |
| SimonLR | What would you guys say if I had a functioning 2.6.28-x local kernel exploit? | 18:42 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:42 |
| alterego | SimonLR: Well, I'd say, tell kernel.org | 18:43 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: would you think I was crazy if I tried to work out the codes from the piunout of the chip ;) | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use it to make real money ;-P | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (just kidding) | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you might work out the key matrix, but not the codes | 18:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego / Khertan, that actualy IS the MeeGo netbook UX. | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | SimonLR: meh | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | The hilarious thing is that when Moblin became MeeGo (the super-open new Linux-based operating system from Intel and Nokia that's super open), it because super-closed. | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as codes for certain keys are mostly welldefined in all commonly used IR standards, you won't gain much this way | 18:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, how is there a 3rd party packaging policy? | 18:51 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, what am I looking for? The data codes for the keys? | 18:53 |
| RST38h | how did it become closed? | 18:53 |
| alterego | Timing information? | 18:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, dunno. | 18:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, presumably because of work to merge the two groups working in both companies. | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, but it seems a bit silly given the limited information I have. | 18:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: dunno see bug i filed? | 18:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I fail at keeping up with Bugzilla for the past few months. | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC-5 | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: etc | 18:55 |
| timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10090 | 18:55 |
| povbot | Bug 10090: Unlocalizable string in Application breaks the 3rd party package policy | 18:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | => GeneralAntilles | 18:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I hate Andre's comments on your bugs. | 18:56 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes fist at andre__. | 18:56 | |
| RST38h | General: On the Intel's side, at least, I do not see any changes | 18:56 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, why? | 18:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, because stupid Nokia devs need to manage their own damn bugs. | 18:57 |
| andre__ | so? | 18:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, I'm tired of the idiotic bug tracking arrangement Nokia has forced upon us. | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the bug's assigned to someone | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | who i think has a pulse | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | let that guy deal w/ it | 18:57 |
| andre__ | okay, up to timeless to force that guy to comment on it... | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:59 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | my package is empty | 18:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i need some help w/ debian packaging :( | 19:01 |
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| SmokeyD | wow, maemo mapper is also really cool. It just lets me specify the top-left and bottom-right corners and detail of the maps I want to download, and the source (google maps, osm, etc) and it downloads them for me for offline use, | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | how do debian/rules and debian/control and debian/{packages}.install relate? :) | 19:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's any chart or diagram or whatever to understand the organizational structures building up Nokia/maemo/meego etc pp | 19:02 | |
| _llll_ | debian/rules is the makefile that does all the work | 19:02 |
| timeless_mbp | _llll_: thanks | 19:02 |
| _llll_ | debian/control is for meta data | 19:02 |
| _llll_ | the install bits are from debhelper | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but the problem i'm having is figuring out how to ensure that the files rules generates end up in the proper packages | 19:03 |
| _llll_ | typcially the dh_install (or whatever it's called) line in rules installs the files in install | 19:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, doh | 19:05 |
| * timeless_mbp spots the bug | 19:05 | |
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| _llll_ | oh, it's just dh in the latest debhelper, not dh_* any more | 19:07 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't use the latest dh :) | 19:07 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i'm still confused | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | how do i debug this stuff? | 19:08 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a package named "foo" | 19:09 |
| _llll_ | dh_installdeb and dh_builddeb do the work | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | in my debian directory, i have debian/foo/ | 19:09 |
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| _llll_ | i would start by reading the output of "debuild" it shows what gets run | 19:09 |
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| _llll_ | or however you are building the package | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | in debian/foo/ is a directory tree 'usr/share/...' | 19:09 |
| timeless_mbp | or 'opt/maemo/usr/share/...' really | 19:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | but those files don't seem to be in my .deb | 19:10 |
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| _llll_ | directories only get created if a file is put there | 19:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | i think i found my problem | 19:11 |
| _llll_ | you can ship empty dirs with a debhelper command | 19:11 |
| timeless_mbp | apt prefers foo_{arch}.deb over foo_all.deb, right? | 19:11 |
| _llll_ | not really "prefers" | 19:11 |
| _llll_ | i dont think it's allowed to have both in the same archive | 19:11 |
| _llll_ | call the arch:all one a different name or something | 19:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | not the same archive | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | basically i once built foo_i386.deb/foo_armel.deb | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and then realized that those were empty/bad/wrong/useless | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | so i started building foo_all.deb | 19:12 |
| timeless_mbp | but i forgot to delete foo_{arch}.deb from my repo | 19:12 |
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| _llll_ | i have no idea how apt will react to that, sounds unlikely to work, but i dnot know | 19:14 |
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| * alterego wonders if he can use his wiimote as a CIR receiver | 19:15 | |
| Macer | hello | 19:16 |
| alterego | Apparently the wiimote already works with lirc as a receiver, how awesome :D | 19:16 |
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| Macer | alterego: what have you used it woth so far? | 19:17 |
| alterego | Sorry? | 19:17 |
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| Macer | doesnt the wiimote connect bt? | 19:17 |
| Macer | have you tried it with a game? | 19:18 |
| alterego | Yes, worked well with mario :) | 19:18 |
| Macer | heh | 19:18 |
| SmokeyD | hey everyone, Another question. I alway use tomboy as a note taking app and synchronize it between machines using sshfs. I found conboy for maemo 5, but is there a way to also synchronize it with sshfs s I have the same notes as in tomboy on my desktop? | 19:18 |
| alterego | No, I mean using the wiimote's IR camera as an input for lirc for IR remote training. | 19:18 |
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| Macer | er | 19:18 |
| Macer | why? | 19:19 |
| alterego | "... for IR remote training" ... | 19:19 |
| GAN900 | lol | 19:19 |
| _llll_ | SmokeyD: rsync? or sshfs is avaialble somewhere i thought | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | Since buying an IR receiver costs money. | 19:20 |
| alterego | Yes, quite a lot of money .. | 19:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | wiimote however can be paired with the n900 in principle | 19:21 |
| lcuk | yeah speedevil its been demonstrated multiple times | 19:21 |
| alterego | Yes, though using it with the N900 wasn't actually my end game ^.^ | 19:21 |
| alterego | Using the N900 as the remote once I've generated a config file otoh is ;) | 19:22 |
| alterego | Of course, if I could wrap it all up nicely on the N900, then I'd just need to carry around a wiimote for remote training ^.^ | 19:22 |
| dottedmag | Is there a frontend for mplayer for N900 which provides GUI for selecting audio/video streams and subtitles? | 19:22 |
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| Macer | alterego. i still dont understand wjat you are doing | 19:25 |
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| Macer | using a wiimote to get ir codes then putting them on your n900 | 19:25 |
| * luke-jr glares at Macer | 19:26 | |
| alterego | Using a wiimote with irrecord to geenerate a lircd configuration file which I can use on the N900 to control my TV .. | 19:26 |
| pupnik | macer, join club | 19:26 |
| Macer | :) | 19:26 |
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| pupnik | ohh | 19:26 |
| Macer | alterego: awesome | 19:26 |
| alterego | :) | 19:26 |
| Macer | make one for an mce remote | 19:27 |
| Macer | haha | 19:27 |
| Macer | how is the wiimote sending it to the n900? | 19:28 |
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| luke-jr | ssh | 19:29 |
| alterego | Erm, it's not .. | 19:29 |
| alterego | At least, not how I was planning on using it. | 19:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: I don't get it. | 19:32 |
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| Shapeshifter | alterego: I thought the n900 can't receive anything. | 19:32 |
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| alterego | Yes, a wiimote has an IR camera inside it | 19:34 |
| alterego | Though I'm not sure it's capable of the 38000Hz | 19:35 |
| alterego | Actually, definitely not capable of that, I think the wiimote camera is about 100Hz .. | 19:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | you don't need to measure the 38000hz | 19:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | you measure the amount of IR | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | and then you assume it's 38khz | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | if it doesn't work, you try 40khz | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 19:36 |
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| achipa | though, considering how crappy the front-cam is I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out it has no IR filter and you can record it straight away (well, within fps limits, obviously) | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | The main cam has no IR filter. | 19:39 |
| achipa | there you go | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least a sucky one | 19:39 |
| achipa | right, I recall having photos with heaters in the background looking way silly :) | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I have somewhere a pic of my toaster ovens elements glowing a bright purple. | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | hm, was there in pr1.2 supposed to be a change in the virtual keyboard layout? | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg25167.html WTF? 1707 reports CHRG_DET to bq24150. So we should be able to get a signal from there, no? | 19:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | signal of what? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also, on detecting external VBUS a device is supposed to enter gadget mode aiui. gadget mode means you have a 2k2 pullup on one dataline | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | this pullup will serve perfectly to detect the short on D+/- | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The comment I made on TMO? | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 19:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Can you actually sense the levels of the lines though | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't really understand what kind of problem they are discussing there | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | USB charger spec is somewhat awkward, but it's not totally brainfucked | 19:45 |
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| bullet`` | hello everyone | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | also watch THE DATE! 2009-12-08!! | 19:47 |
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| bullet`` | i was readint a thread on tmo about pr1.2 rc | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's a generic framework to gerect USB chargers on USB things connected to linux in general | 19:47 |
| bullet`` | nobody is mentioning the link to it | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: So - it was released by then. | 19:47 |
| bullet`` | whats so desasterous about that? | 19:47 |
| bullet`` | can anyone tell me where to download it ? | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NO!! | 19:48 |
| frals | no bullet``, its illegal to distribute it. | 19:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's basically warez at this point. | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it will wreck your N900 | 19:48 |
| bullet`` | so how r so many ppl talking about it? | 19:48 |
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| _llll_ | they werent, until you came in :[ | 19:48 |
| bullet`` | it wont i think cuz so many ppl r pretty happy using it | 19:49 |
| mikki-kun | most of them don't know what unoptimized software can do to hardware | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me points to CHANNEL TOPIC | 19:49 |
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| bullet`` | how have others got the pr12 | 19:50 |
| bullet`` | ? | 19:50 |
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| frals | * Topic is 'Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- NO PR1.2 YET, askers will get kicked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289' | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol was gonna ask DocScrutinizer to op up :P | 19:50 |
| bullet`` | oh | 19:50 |
| brik | bullet``: it doesn't work yet, you don't want it | 19:50 |
| lcuk | which channel/forum do hong kong people goto? | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, 0? :P | 19:51 |
| Gary | so tempting to say " anyone got pr1.2? " | 19:51 |
| lcuk | im serious | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | on a more serious note, no idea | 19:51 |
| |R | haha | 19:51 |
| frals | lcuk: im curious as well, need to figure out where the asian n900 users hang out | 19:51 |
| bullet`` | brik, what about so many ppl using it already posting faster browser benchmarks | 19:51 |
| lcuk | theres a lot of asian maemoers on the map | 19:51 |
| frals | lcuk: i got an email from a .jp who had found a patch to fmms on some obscure blog | 19:51 |
| lcuk | but we rarely see them around | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, tbh I've never seen non-english IRC channels | 19:51 |
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| MohammadAG_ | but that's just me | 19:51 |
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| frals | lcuk: problem was none had bothered pinging me about it so i could patch master with it :/ | 19:52 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, thats because you dont look | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, did I say I did? :) | 19:52 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:52 |
| lcuk | yeah frals | 19:52 |
| lcuk | its like russian deligation | 19:52 |
| brik | bullet``: just wait until it comes out | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | theres a thriving community over there from what i hear | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I propose #maemoHK | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | well you can propose all you want | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | could be made into an official channel | 19:53 |
| lcuk | but if they never visit freenode it wont be used | 19:53 |
| * MohammadAG_ takes away the bacon | 19:53 | |
| Khertan_n900 | hi again | 19:53 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hey Khertan_n900 | 19:53 |
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| lcuk | hi Khertan_n900 | 19:53 |
| bullet`` | whats wrong in just asking my question... i just want to know that the ppl who r discussing pr1.2 on tmo the ones who also r using it on their devices, how have they obtained it | 19:53 |
| frals | bullet``: illegally | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | illegally | 19:53 |
| lcuk | mostly | 19:54 |
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| Khertan_n900 | hi MohammadAG and lcuk | 19:54 |
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| frals | yeah, mostly illegally* i guess | 19:54 |
| Khertan_n900 | illegally | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | All illegally. | 19:54 |
| * MohammadAG_ didn't get the mostly part | 19:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | Apart from the person that leaked it | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n900 | . | 19:55 |
| lcuk | really SpeedEvil ? what about ari | 19:55 |
| * frals heads off to spam twitter some more about fmms | 19:55 | |
| * MohammadAG_ assumes there's an update to fmms | 19:55 | |
| Khertan_n900 | Someone else to answer : 'illegally' | 19:55 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: nokians/subcontractors etc probably have it legally ;) | 19:55 |
| bullet`` | i dont get it than y not delete the whole thread? they r posting browser benchmarks, skype video calls etc and yet delete any post that mentions how to download it | 19:55 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, im just gonna rename that button "new fmms" | 19:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The ones commenting on aspects of the PR1.2 are typically the ones that haven't signed NDAs | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n900 | speedevil : not sure : it s can be leak from a trojan, backdoor, security hole | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | bullet``: please bother to read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=638289#post638289 as suggested in the topic. Take it as a fact the NON-PR1.2 will damage your device, and just stop nagging about it here | 19:55 |
| Khertan_n900 | from a real tester | 19:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that sounds reasonable | 19:56 |
| cowbot | is there some debian utility for editing changelog file? | 19:56 |
| frals | dch | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n900 | lcuk : not sure that he sign an nda :) | 19:56 |
| Khertan_n900 | vi | 19:57 |
| frals | lcuk: i need some RT love on twitter! ;) | 19:57 |
| kthomas_vh | I am booting from memory card, maemo will not recognize internal flash, even after reformat, any suggestions? | 19:57 |
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| Khertan_n900 | praying ? | 19:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | how are you booting from card? And what fs are you trying to mount the internal flash with | 19:58 |
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| PerfDave | Who doesn't need RT love on Twitter? :p | 19:58 |
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| frals | lcuk, he only needs bacon | 19:58 |
| chem|st | cowbot: vi? | 19:58 |
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| Khertan_n900 | oups ... | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n900 | we are in may and i ve still not send my loaned n900 device | 19:59 |
| kthomas_vh | SpeedEvil, bootloader; internal flash was FAT32... | 19:59 |
| Khertan_n900 | ouch shame on me | 19:59 |
| cowbot | tyty frals | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | kthomas_vh: which internal flash | 20:00 |
| frals | np | 20:00 |
| lcuk | ok frals i retweeted "frals @anidel *rolleyes*" for you | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: have you been doing actual development on it? | 20:00 |
| frals | lol lcuk | 20:00 |
| frals | :D | 20:00 |
| kthomas_vh | SpeedEvil, n810, (built-in) | 20:00 |
| Khertan_n900 | um who i should contact at nokia for the address to return the device they loan me ? | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | kthomas_vh: ah - sorry - no clue on n810. | 20:00 |
| kthomas_vh | np | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n900 | speedevil: i m always doing dev on it | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | kthomas_vh: you'll want to ask Stskeeps about it | 20:01 |
| frals | Khertan: theres a thread on talk in community about it afaik | 20:01 |
| andre__ | yes there is | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n900 | for me n900 is the perfect python onboard developper tool ! | 20:01 |
| kthomas_vh | DocScrutinizer, tks | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: there have been comments about if you're doing dev stuff on it - then they may consuder leaving it with you | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n900 | thx frals | 20:01 |
| Khertan_n900 | speedevil : oh ... | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | frals, another tweet for you | 20:02 |
| andre__ | Khertan_n900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49398 | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n900 | thx to them ... but i m not sure they will like that i m doing dev on it and not publish to maemo repositories :) | 20:02 |
| Khertan_n900 | thx andre__ | 20:02 |
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| cowbot | congrats on fmms / extras promotion | 20:03 |
| frals | not promoted yet! need few more testers on latest version to make sure its safe | 20:04 |
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| frals | but thanks in advance! ;) | 20:04 |
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| cowbot | frals: i am taking a program with version (1.6.11-1) and changing significant parts for maemo/tablets. so i should make version =(1.6.11-1maemo0) ? | 20:06 |
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| Khertan_n900 | funny to see that it use less battery to phone during one hour than chatting on irc, coding during one hour ... :) | 20:06 |
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| frals | cowbot: dunno, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines has the answer i think | 20:06 |
| wazd | so I guess n900 is not supported by ovi suite even though it's listed on the nokia site :) | 20:07 |
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| Khertan_n900 | ~ping | 20:11 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:11 |
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| alterego | I might unpack the PR1.1.1 release install a "You're an idiot" start upscreen and "leak" it as PR1.3 | 20:17 |
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| cowbot | Has Nokia improved the quality of the speakers in N900 since initial release? | 20:18 |
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| cowbot | It seems like their supplier delivered some units that didn't perform up to spec reliably | 20:19 |
| alterego | Yes, the leaked PR1.3 image I'm about to release will replace your internal speakers. | 20:20 |
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| cowbot | It would probably be NDA violation to comment on that, i guess | 20:21 |
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| GeneralAntilles | alterego, you're sick. :P | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Switch the boot video out for a Rick Roll. | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh god. | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Please do that. | 20:29 |
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| Chiku | they opened back the thread about leaked PR1.2. cool | 20:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Chiku, why is that cool? | 20:31 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 20:32 |
| alterego | GeneralAntilles: that's such a good idea .. | 20:32 |
| alterego | IS there an app for _that_ ? :) | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | alterego, maybe to reduce the level of evil just make it a package you have to grab from some repo. | 20:33 |
| alterego | I think this might be a good oportunity to write an app that allows you to create your own PR1.2 releases and add stupid start up screens. | 20:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 20:33 |
| alterego | It might disuade people from using images from dodgy sources :) | 20:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Emphasis on the stupid | 20:34 |
| alterego | :) | 20:34 |
| cowbot | who has done a QT app for maemo and symbian? | 20:34 |
| cowbot | for studying | 20:34 |
| alterego | cowbot: I've played, not really done anything production. Though I am working on one at the moment. | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail alterego | 20:35 |
| * infobot bows down to alterego and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 20:35 | |
| frals | tmo just died? | 20:35 |
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| alterego | frals: HDD 100% usage reached ;) | 20:35 |
| cowbot | alterego: you are forced to wait for pr1.2 to test on N900? | 20:35 |
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| alterego | cowbot: Well, I've been using an old version of Qt that's on 1.1 | 20:36 |
| opdf2 | frals: yeah im getting the same thing | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | cowbot: I'm not aware of sub par speaker component quality issues. But there's been a fix to avoid very low frequencies going to the speakers and fry them | 20:37 |
| opdf2 | anyone using gv + sipgate +sipsorcery? is it common to have delay during calls? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, what? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm having 'gv' occasionally. :-P | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Something you said way back about the debug pads made me think you may have had a different version to me. I must have misunderstood or something, the photos of the debug pads are identical | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I got a sipgate account that works like a charm with N900 and N810 | 20:39 |
| opdf2 | google voice | 20:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Mee | 20:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Boxwave protectors are finally here. | 20:40 |
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| opdf2 | I'm hearing the other party okay, but when I talk they dont hear until 2-3 secs later | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nah, I always just claimed there's no dif whatsoever between my debug pads and the photo in schem | 20:41 |
| cowbot | DocScrutinizer: i have difficulty imagining that this software eq to prevent speaker damage was part of the initial device design ;) | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - maybe I misread the schem images then | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure not | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ^^^cowbot | 20:42 |
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| alterego | t.m.o runs off of MSISS? | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | no, it runs off WinCE | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | with some hacked up webserver | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no it runs off a 770 farm | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we all know 770 is running maemo | 20:44 |
| cowbot | DocScrutinizer: i guess there is no information on speaker fix/upgrade forthcoming. I was hoping for one. I love the headphone quality so much. | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry don't get that | 20:44 |
| * microlith imagines a cluster of internet tablets | 20:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Odd. The schem seems to match. I must just have gone briefly insane. | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't worry - happens to each of us every once in a while | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fact is they swapped the AB for a B | 20:46 |
| RST38h | Anyone with Karmic Koala here? | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to say F*CK-U to usb.org cert authority | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, wish I was on it... | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | Debian doesn't seem to detect my HDDs, as well as my CD drives | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | so I'm stuck with 10.04 crap | 20:48 |
| RST38h | ? | 20:49 |
| * RST38h is considering upgrading to 10.04 | 20:49 | |
| cato` | I learned not to upgrade on release when I went from 9.04 -> 9.10 | 20:49 |
| dubz11 | MohammadAG: you could look into sidux, based on debian sid, and more hardware detection out of the box | 20:49 |
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| alterego | cato`: ditto, I wait one month ;) | 20:49 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: SB2 QEmu crashes on me when I try running dpkg | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | dubz11, I'd rather get the real Debian working | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for the rest I see no idication whatsoever for the schem to be incorrect | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, why SB2? | 20:50 |
| RST38h | Because SB1 is too damn horrible | 20:50 |
| cato` | alterego: I do too, hope for a smoother experience | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | imo SB2 is the same as Grub2 | 20:50 |
| RST38h | I am not running NFS to localhost just to access my host fs from SB1 | 20:50 |
| jebba | wiki down? | 20:50 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Earlier I commented also about the components round the MMC - but that was bogus - as I diddn't realise there was a daughterboard | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | both were very unnecessary upgrades | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Finally, a screen protector. | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | jebba, seems like it | 20:51 |
| RST38h | well, to me sb2 is way better than sb1 | 20:51 |
| RST38h | But nobody seems to be supporting sb2 any more | 20:51 |
| jebba | i dont do maemo stuff for weeks, go to do something, and its down..... pfft. | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | It's not just you! http://wiki.maemo.org looks down from here. | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | (if anyone finds it useful http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.maemo.org) | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | here too | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe I broke it editing too fast! | 20:51 |
| SpeedEvil | naah. | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | lo jebba | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, too slow. | 20:52 |
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| X-Fade | I see all hosts down from my end, so ISP issue? | 20:52 |
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| cowbot | sidux is an excellent way to do 'real debian' | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | meh, okay | 20:52 |
| cowbot | just saves you some time and headaches | 20:52 |
| X-Fade | All my ssh sessions just froze :( | 20:53 |
| mtnbkr | gosh maemo.org is s-l-o-w | 20:53 |
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| mece | aaahaha windows 8 thread is killer! | 20:54 |
| RST38h | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault. | 20:55 |
| RST38h | shit | 20:55 |
| mtnbkr | hhmmm I just loaded it moments ago, found the thread for the app and went to submit a comment ... So it was up very recently for me arg... | 20:55 |
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| frals | anyone know of a maemo python app thats using localization? need to see how its suppose to be odne :D | 21:02 |
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| mintux | is it possible to reinstall maemo 5 on nokia n900 / I would like to buy an n900 but I afraid I'll destroy it because im a linux user and I love to test everything on it. and I only buy it because of linux . so is it possible to install free version of maemo on it? | 21:05 |
| microlith | mintux: yes, it is relatively trivial to reflash the device | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, .po files | 21:07 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, this might help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_gettext | 21:07 |
| korhojoa | is it just me or is the maemo wiki down? | 21:07 |
| X-Fade | Not just you | 21:08 |
| korhojoa | frals: get round to checking that picture sms thing? | 21:08 |
| RST38h | Somebody installed leaked firmware to maemo.org 770s | 21:08 |
| RST38h | And now they are dead | 21:08 |
| mintux | microlith: so I can test everything on it and if it break I can change it to first day I have ? | 21:08 |
| korhojoa | huh :D | 21:08 |
| microlith | mintux: yes | 21:08 |
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| mintux | thanks | 21:09 |
| frals | korhojoa: yeah, not gonna do it im afraid as its unrelated to mms :) | 21:09 |
| * cowbot is trying to make a working maemo package without autotools, just makefile | 21:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jebba was here and I missed him :-S | 21:09 |
| frals | MohammadAG: yeah i know, just want to steal the code for it ;) | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | frals, run xgettext on the source :) | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (AB->B) the particularly funny bit about that is we got same confusion for gta01/02, and til today obody complained about the usb receptacle isn't actually a AB type. Probably due to the fact there are virtually no mini-A-plugs out there in the wild | 21:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | However - nokia gets lots more attention paid to them than someone shipping ~10000 units | 21:15 |
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| cowbot | is it possible to make packages for meego simpler please. i am running out of time and this .deb stuff is still broken | 21:15 |
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| mintux | are there different between n900 made in Finland and china ? somebody say made in Finland is original | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | I think the ones made in Korea are original | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | prototypes were probably made in Finland | 21:18 |
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| ShadowJK | But you know, Nokia has a factory in china too, so it's entirely possible to see genuine Nokia N900 from China too. | 21:19 |
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| mintux | ShadowJK: so there is no different in quality ? | 21:19 |
| X-Fade | mintux: If it is an original, then no. | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | I think random luck makes bigger difference ;) | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | mintux: If it is a chinese clone, looking like a N900, then yes. | 21:20 |
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| ShadowJK | the clone ones don't even run the same operating system... | 21:20 |
| X-Fade | Indeed :) | 21:20 |
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| X-Fade | phone-on-a-chip[tm] | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: on the other hand - they are $60, and have dual SIM! :) | 21:21 |
| mintux | ShadowJK: you mean it's not nokia n900 and just like it ? | 21:21 |
| Zeddy | why does the qt nokia maemo SUCK | 21:21 |
| Zeddy | ? :) | 21:21 |
| Zeddy | SDK i mean | 21:21 |
| mintux | so I should looking for Korea | 21:21 |
| Zeddy | kinda feel like fading away | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | Yes, why does it suck? | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | mintux, well there are genuine Made in China Nokia phones, and then there are fake Nokia phones | 21:22 |
| Zeddy | well it sucks mainly because i do #include <QMessage>, only to find out QMessage contains one line: #include "qmessage.h" | 21:22 |
| Zeddy | and qmessage.h is not included? :D | 21:22 |
| Zeddy | wtf is up with getting my hopes up only to crush them on compile | 21:22 |
| mintux | nokia n900 doesn't have usb host . means I can connect any hardware like printer ? | 21:22 |
| Zeddy | stupid stupid stupid | 21:22 |
| BCMM | mintux: well, there are bluetooth printers | 21:23 |
| Zeddy | ../../../NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim/usr/include/QMessage:1:22: error: qmessage.h: No such file or directory | 21:23 |
| Zeddy | In file included from mainwindow.h:7, | 21:23 |
| BCMM | and printers that can print from a mass-storage device | 21:23 |
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| mintux | and is it possible to install gcc compiler on maemo 5 or softwares like apache or ... ? | 21:23 |
| BCMM | Noma: basically, you can't plug in USB sticks, but there are bluetooth versions of quite a few things... | 21:23 |
| BCMM | mintux: pretty sure easy debian chroot does all of that | 21:24 |
| mintux | it's great | 21:24 |
| BCMM | as far as i know, it lets you install regular ARM debian stuff, but i haven't tried it | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | mintux, it is almost like a normal linux system. And you can have root access. So anyone who's a linux power user can do what linux gurus generally can do :) | 21:24 |
| BCMM | Noma: sorry, meant taht for mintux | 21:24 |
| lpotter | Zeddy: as far as I know, it has only been released as 'beta' | 21:24 |
| BCMM | i'd say it is a normal linux system | 21:24 |
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| BCMM | mintux: i have seen some imitation n900s on the web | 21:25 |
| mintux | so I can install it easily again if it break | 21:25 |
| BCMM | they are basically a bit like those cheap chinese mp3 players in plastic ipod-shaped cases | 21:26 |
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| BCMM | they presumably make phone calls, but don't really have anything in common with an n900 | 21:26 |
| mintux | I want buy n900 because im a linux user and love terminal and programming on bash and do a lot of things with terminal | 21:26 |
| mintux | how can I sure the n900 I found it made in korea ( and it's not just a label ) and it doesn't be fake phone | 21:26 |
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| lpotter | you can make phone calls with term on an Openmoko :) | 21:27 |
| mintux | but openmoko doesn't has keyboard | 21:27 |
| microlith | mintux: buy from a reputable vendor | 21:27 |
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| ShadowJK | hint: dealextreme doesn't sell genuine N900 | 21:28 |
| RST38h | weird | 21:28 |
| mintux | microlith:in my location we can not trust to reputable vendor also | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | Do you have opportunity to try the device first? | 21:29 |
| BCMM | example of an imitation n900: http://uk.nowsupplier.com/n900-qwerty-keypad-cell-phone-style-quad-band-dual-card-dual-camera-java-black-p-390.html | 21:30 |
| BCMM | imho, that site doesn't make it anything like clear enough that it isn't actually a nokia product | 21:30 |
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| ShadowJK | real n900 doesn't have dualsim, and doesn't have java ;) | 21:30 |
| RST38h | IT HAS GOT PORTRAIT MODE OMG | 21:31 |
| alterego | RST38h: ? | 21:31 |
| alterego | PR1.4? | 21:31 |
| mintux | ShadowJK: why doesn't have java | 21:31 |
| * dottedmag facepalms | 21:31 | |
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| BCMM | anybody recognise the OS on that? | 21:31 |
| RST38h | alterego: the chinese knockoff | 21:31 |
| mintux | ShadowJK: its linux and you can install everything | 21:31 |
| BCMM | i can't imagine that they made one specially | 21:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | mintux, well there's sun's jvm you can download, and microemu from somewhere for j2me... but it doesn't come with java by default | 21:32 |
| BCMM | although i suppose they might have thrown together a different-looking interface in java | 21:32 |
| alterego | I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to flash the image, but I can wait. The only thing making me want it is having Qt 4.6 on there .. | 21:32 |
| mintux | ShadowJK: hmm so you can have java if you want | 21:32 |
| BCMM | i especially like the thing they have where the word "nokia" would be on an n900 | 21:32 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but it is not easy. | 21:32 |
| dottedmag | BCMM: just re-skinned something ready, I think. | 21:32 |
| BCMM | it's low contrast so you can't read it in a photo : | 21:33 |
| BCMM | :) | 21:33 |
| Gizmokid2005 | is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php erroring/not loading for anyone else? | 21:33 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, ISP has datacenter issues. | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | takes eterities but load for me | 21:34 |
| Gizmokid2005 | thanks X-Fade | 21:34 |
| Dima202 | wow, thats a very cool imitation | 21:34 |
| Dima202 | and cheap | 21:34 |
| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: same here...it took forever to initially load as well. | 21:34 |
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| BCMM | Dima202: that's because it is, presumably, nothing like a modern smartphone | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, 700k storage??? | 21:35 |
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| Dima202 | lol, I'm glad I got the real thing | 21:35 |
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| BCMM | for a start, it mentions WAP - not a good sign | 21:36 |
| lcuk | and we have had folks in #maemo wanting to do same | 21:36 |
| lcuk | - that lol | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Mobile internet WAP - it's 2000 again! | 21:36 |
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| mintux | ShadowJK: somebody says to me their phone broke up when they installed different softwares . the problems like do not display images or another things . have you ever face to these problems or broke your phone ? | 21:37 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: bloody facebook has started serving WAP pages to user agents it doesn't recognise | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4207_Original-Nokia-N900-Dummy-Phone-puma-black.html really is a cheap cool imitation | 21:38 |
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| aspidites | is it a bug that HILDON_SIZE_AUTO doesn't style the buttons when used? | 21:38 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: ironically, i was looking at the full version of facebook on my phone while my desktop choked on the WAP version... | 21:38 |
| aspidites | or that setting any other flag while the buttons are in a gtk.Table causes the background image to repeat? | 21:38 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: "dummy phone" - does that mean it isn't actually a phone? | 21:39 |
| aspidites | HILDON_SIZE_THUMB_HEIGHT for example | 21:39 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah, is that the one made by nokia for shops to display? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:40 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders finding a nokia authorised service centre with a skip. | 21:41 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how they manage to switch to portrait mode on that thing, like suggested by the producr pictures | 21:42 | |
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| hrw | morning | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | moaning | 21:44 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia | 21:44 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia ! | 21:44 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia again | 21:44 |
| RST38h | hey, hrw, got a nasty problem that you may be able to help resolving | 21:44 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia again ! | 21:44 |
| hrw | RST38h: go | 21:45 |
| RST38h | hrw: Upgraded host to Karmic Koala (intel, 32bit) | 21:45 |
| RST38h | hrw: Installed Karmic version of MaemoSDK+ (SB2, etc) | 21:45 |
| qmid | ~curse nokia again | 21:45 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia again ! | 21:45 |
| qmid | ~curse nokia again | 21:46 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nokia again ! | 21:46 |
| RST38h | hrw: now, armel dpkg fails with a core dump every time I try installing a package (-i) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kick qmid | 21:46 |
| * infobot kicks qmid | 21:46 | |
| RST38h | hrw: sometimes, qemu writes something about illegal instruction *or* some functions not being found in libc.6 | 21:46 |
| hrw | RST38h: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr? | 21:46 |
| qmid | sorry dude | 21:46 |
| RST38h | hrw: I think I have done that, but let us see | 21:46 |
| qmid | i was curious to see funny messages | 21:46 |
| qmid | :) | 21:47 |
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| hrw | nokia suxx anyway | 21:47 |
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| qmid | the new phone seems to be good N8 | 21:47 |
| hrw | first they leaked pr1.2 then they try to scare users to not use it. | 21:47 |
| qmid | plus the development is in Qt and not avcon | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell qmid about query | 21:48 |
| hrw | qmid: it is symbian. it can not be good | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: was actually users themselves discovering adverse effects | 21:48 |
| jaska | hrw: leaked pr1.2 so everyone would brick and the installed base of n900s would vanish :) | 21:48 |
| qmid | DocScrutinizer, lol i agree, but things are changing i hope for good | 21:48 |
| RST38h | hrw: OMG it worked | 21:49 |
| hrw | RST38h: curse nokia for not updating qemu to 0.12+ | 21:49 |
| RST38h | eeeek | 21:49 |
| RST38h | hrw: The funny thing is, NOBODY, including sdk+ people, could help me :( | 21:50 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: so far I only saw errrors in extras packages | 21:50 |
| hrw | upstart-job is not existing in 1.2 for example so goodbye IM addons | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: the issue is that they cannot downgrade again | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | disabling celluar modem which was updated | 21:50 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: I will worry about it when it will break. so far it works | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: :nod: | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | not for the faint of the heart | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: seems we had that mmap-thing 24h to the past at most | 21:51 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: and at 12 November I would probably use other phone then n900 so official pr1.2 will not interest me but second/third/etc owner of my n900 | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | Ok, now, the second problem: How do I install squeeze tools on sb2? :) | 21:52 |
| RST38h | But that should be a bit easier | 21:52 |
| qmid | nokia always had leak problem all the time, but I think N8 is a good phone from Nokia after N97 problem. | 21:53 |
| * RST38h goes to install symbols first | 21:53 | |
| cowbot | any luck with that incorrect missing dependency RST38h ? | 21:53 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: because there is one sure thing for me - next nokia maemo/meego device would need to cost me <100€ otherwise I go for other platform/vendor | 21:53 |
| RST38h | cowbot: X-Fade told me what the problem was | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: mmkay | 21:53 |
| RST38h | cowbot: But I also found out that things are pretty fucked up if you are using sb2 | 21:53 |
| cowbot | is anyone online who can take a look at maemo.org and figure out why it isn't responding? | 21:53 |
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| qmid | cowbot, yeah i am seeing the same problem | 21:54 |
| RST38h | hrw: ah come one, there is no better phone than n900 in terms of flexibility | 21:54 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: they have nice hardware team but software teams suxx too much | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | <hrw> upstart-job is not existing in 1.2 for example so goodbye IM addons | 21:55 |
| qmid | actually maemo.org loaded, but it very slow | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | I have the old packages that work :P | 21:55 |
| hrw | RST38h: sure, but this is closed development | 21:55 |
| * RST38h tried the Nexus One last time he was to US. Feels like a toy compared to N900 | 21:55 | |
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| RST38h | hrw: ah, that's different | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Related to bug 4754? | 21:55 |
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| hrw | RST38h: I do not even bother with reporting bugs for maemo. 105% of them gets WONTFIX, other gets ignored | 21:55 |
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| mgedmin | speaking of bugs | 21:56 |
| hrw | RST38h: any 'please improve your app by doing X' ends with MOVED to brainstorm == fuck you user very much | 21:56 |
| mgedmin | did anybody notice that typing 'xyzzy' in the on-screen VKB and pressing the Enter virtual key actually sends "\nxyzzy" to the program running in the terminal? | 21:56 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Well, it *is* a bit better than Maemo4 | 21:57 |
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| hrw | RST38h: I think that next step is get current hw and work on some working system + dialer/etc | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | mgedmin, "xyzzy\n" here | 21:57 |
| lpotter | hrw: hate to inform you, but maemo is not low end | 21:57 |
| RST38h | hrw: But yes, in many cases it feels like reimplementing Nokia apps is the only reasonable way to get thigns working | 21:57 |
| GAN900 | hrw, bullshit. | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | actually both, it depends on the weather I think | 21:57 |
| hrw | RST38h: becaue n8x0 was sold in much less amount then n900 | 21:57 |
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| GAN900 | hrw, I've run the numbers on WONTFIX and that claim is clearly not even vaguely related ever to hyperbole. | 21:58 |
| hrw | lpotter: you mean? | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | MohammadAG: yes, I also see both | 21:58 |
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| lpotter | hrw: meaning maemo is not in low end phones | 21:58 |
| hrw | bug 6993 | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | in vim I usually see "\nxyzzy", though | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, *maemo.org down | 21:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: I guess the problem is that the *important* bugs are not getting fixed | 21:58 |
| hrw | lpotter: maemo is in just *one* phone | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | which screws up things like you wouldn't believe | 21:58 |
| mgedmin | povbot, bug 6993 | 21:58 |
| povbot | mgedmin: Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6993 Bluetooth handsfree loss of sound brand jabra BT2050 | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | *maemo.org down.... | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | i bet RST38h broke maemo.org :P | 21:59 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, also bullshit | 21:59 |
| RST38h | GAN: And I do not even pretend to claim personal importance here | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | yeah povbot, go ahead, post the link to show *mameo.org is up | 21:59 |
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| hrw | povbot: bug 6933 | 21:59 |
| povbot | hrw: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. | 21:59 |
| mgedmin | mwahahahahahaa | 21:59 |
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| hrw | povbot: bug 6933 | 21:59 |
| marcusmoller | Heya. Anybody know how to make VNC Viewer work with openGL apps on my unix machine? I tried running WoW on my remote desktop, but it was like a frozen image | 22:00 |
| povbot | hrw: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. | 22:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: The Evil PA Bug, The Hardware Keyboard Bug, POP3, The Slowdown Bug <== none of them are getting fixed | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | "Error: timed out" | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | in the logs | 22:00 |
| hrw | lpotter: and it looks like 'we released hw, did 2 updates and let users be happy' | 22:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: And these are big, bad motherfuckers | 22:00 |
| microlith | Evil PA / hw keyboard bug? | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | I'm guessing it can't access maemo.org | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | which is funny, since I can | 22:00 |
| hrw | lpotter: there is not even maemo UI style compatible Qt for normal users available | 22:01 |
| RST38h | microlith: Evil PA Bug - when Media Player is playing music, any 3rd party app using PulseAudio will lack sound, then hang on exit | 22:01 |
| hrw | lpotter: qt 4.5/maemo does not follow UI, qt 4.6/maemo is not available for users | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | hm, I can get the front page of b.m.o, but not do anything with it | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | well, it randomly times out | 22:01 |
| RST38h | microlith: HW Keyboard Bug - Ctrl+Space does not switch keyboard layouts as it should, UNLESS you have got a Russian N900 | 22:01 |
| hrw | bug 6933 is example of how simple things can be fucked up and no one cares about it even if it looks like <1h fix | 22:02 |
| mgedmin | bug 8750 | 22:02 |
| microlith | ahh | 22:02 |
| hrw | etc etc etc | 22:02 |
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| lpotter | hrw: wait for it :) | 22:03 |
| hrw | sure, maybe android is not so great as people say but at least there is something moving there. maemo5 has only users waiting for mystical pr1.2 | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | And you have probably all experienced system performance deterioration after 5-7 days uptime... | 22:03 |
| hrw | lpotter: I am waiting for few months already and I got tired | 22:03 |
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| microlith | at 12 now, no issues | 22:03 |
| hrw | lpotter: I dropped any development of my ideas | 22:03 |
| hrw | lpotter: even Qt documentation lies about maemo things | 22:04 |
| RST38h | hrw: It makes sense writing stuff in a portable way, then adopting it to whatever gadget comes handy | 22:04 |
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| hrw | lpotter: autorotation is simple - documentation says.... but forgets to add "you need to work for Nokia to have it" | 22:04 |
| RST38h | hrw: [of course, it means rendering the whole UI by hand into a bitmap :)] | 22:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns, prods povbot, and heads out for dinner | 22:04 | |
| mgedmin | hrw, you presume a $random_developer @ Nokia could have it just by asking | 22:05 |
| lpotter | hrw: autorotation should be banned | 22:05 |
| hrw | RST38h: sure, but I like to use qt 4.6 in app. maemo5 does not allows me to give my app to users | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | hrw: Why? Isn't Qt4.6 universal? | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Or is there some license problem? | 22:05 |
| microlith | not until Pr1.2 comes out | 22:05 |
| Mousey | Qt is GPL | 22:05 |
| hrw | mgedmin: I know that not everyone but I am talking about maemo related morons^Wdevs | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Ah that | 22:05 |
| mgedmin | I'd expect a big bureaucratic process banning autorotation for all apps not explicitly listed in The Original Design or something | 22:05 |
| lcuk | i want meego ux on dalek technology | 22:05 |
| RST38h | Mousey: LGPL | 22:05 |
| Mousey | k | 22:05 |
| lcuk | the nice colored ones they rolled out a couple of weeks ago :D | 22:05 |
| hrw | RST38h: users of current firmware do not ahve qt 4.6 | 22:05 |
| hrw | RST38h: users do not use extras-devel | 22:05 |
| RevdKathy | @lcuk: meego exterminate! | 22:06 |
| RST38h | hrw: Well, Khertan jumped ship | 22:06 |
| frals | evening RevdKathy o/ | 22:06 |
| RevdKathy | Tellytubbie daleks? | 22:06 |
| RevdKathy | Evening frals | 22:06 |
| RST38h | hrw: So can everybody else | 22:06 |
| hrw | RST38h: I understand him | 22:06 |
| frals | RevdKathy: hows you? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | me too | 22:06 |
| hrw | RST38h: there is nearly no one left anyway. never was | 22:06 |
| RevdKathy | fine, thanks :) you? | 22:06 |
| RST38h | hrw: As to Qt4.6 availability, I do hope that damn update will come during the next 2 weeks | 22:06 |
| hrw | maemo does not have luck to have developers | 22:06 |
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| hrw | RST38h: 12 November | 22:07 |
| RST38h | ahhahaha | 22:07 |
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| mgedmin | noooooo please don't time out on process_bug.cgi! | 22:07 |
| frals | RevdKathy: tis good, went to the doctor today to have a look at my cough, got a prescription for cocillana so im all good ;) | 22:07 |
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| * hrw -> out as this is getting boring as always when it comes to pr1.2 related talk | 22:07 | |
| hrw | have a nice whatever | 22:07 |
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| RST38h | g'night | 22:07 |
| RevdKathy | Ouch! Bugs in your lungs! | 22:07 |
| RevdKathy | Hoodnight RST38h | 22:08 |
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| RevdKathy | or even Goodnight | 22:08 |
| * RST38h isn't leaving yet. There is a nasty dependency problem to resolve | 22:08 | |
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| frals | RST38h: hate when dependency-hell prevents me from going to bed! | 22:10 |
| RST38h | frals: well, looks like I am gonna lose this battle | 22:10 |
| RST38h | no way to squeeze squeeze into sb2 | 22:10 |
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| Khertan | <RST38h> hrw: Well, Khertan jumped ship <<< ??? gnié ? | 22:14 |
| frals | i assume he meant you created your own repo | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Were discussing extras | 22:15 |
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| maddler | evening all | 22:15 |
| frals | ello | 22:16 |
| Khertan | RST38h, ah :) | 22:16 |
| Khertan | so ... :) | 22:16 |
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| Khertan | lol b.m.o seems down here :) | 22:16 |
| frals | quick hide its sjgadsby | 22:16 |
| frals | Khertan: pretty much everything except talk is acting up | 22:16 |
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| RST38h | ok, time to read something then hit the bed | 22:17 |
| frals | nn RST38h | 22:17 |
| lcuk | wont that hurt? | 22:17 |
| Khertan | frals .... and talk should be the things to down :) | 22:18 |
| frals | my bed is pretty soft, dunno what youre sleeping in thou lcuk | 22:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: depends on who is already there. | 22:18 |
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| sjgadsby | Huh. Frals talking about a 1.0 release of fMMS really DOES bring everything crashing down. | 22:18 |
| frals | :D | 22:18 |
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| frals | hmm | 22:20 |
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| frals | anyone wanna give him a tempban so we dont have to watch the quit/join flood? | 22:20 |
| * frals takes a look over at DocScrutinizer | 22:20 | |
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| lostinmirkwood | is anyone else having an issue with vcs.maemo.org? | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | no, but I'm having an issue with bugs.maemo.org | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | it's all broken | 22:24 |
| marcusmoller | Any way to speed up the vnc? I am using x11vnc on my Arch Linux. | 22:24 |
| marcusmoller | Using VNC Viewer | 22:24 |
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| frals | wow, glad im not using swedish localization on the device | 22:28 |
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| mece | wiki.maemo.org down? | 22:29 |
| mece | oh righty. | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | frals: i thought same about danish | 22:30 |
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| mece | frals, what's wrong with swedish localization? | 22:30 |
| frals | im only using it to see what fmms looks like in swedish atm, and "delete message?" has been translated "vill du ta bort meddelande?" | 22:31 |
| frals | which just sounds wrong :< | 22:31 |
| frals | id explain why its wrong, but i have no idea what the grammar terms are called in english :D | 22:32 |
| Surfa | then you would probably like to contribute in localization | 22:32 |
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| frals | Surfa: i should probably file a bug against that at least | 22:33 |
| Surfa | probably yes | 22:33 |
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| Surfa | at least if youre native? | 22:34 |
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| frals | yes | 22:34 |
| Scelt | frals: it sound just fine :D | 22:36 |
| Surfa | but remember that translations should stay somehow in line with other devices | 22:36 |
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| frals | Scelt: no it doesnt :P | 22:36 |
| frals | Scelt: it should be meddelandet | 22:36 |
| frals | shame bugs.maemo.org is timing out ;( | 22:37 |
| lostinmirkwood | <mece> seems everything is down... | 22:37 |
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| andre__ | ISP is down according to Niels. | 22:38 |
| andre__ | as stated on http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/ . | 22:38 |
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| __a | frals, Scelt: "Ta bort meddelande?" eller "Vill du ta bort meddelandet?" imho | 22:39 |
| frals | __a: yeah | 22:39 |
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| alterego | I will laugh if the md5sum of the geniune PR1.2 is identical to that of the leaked one ^.^ | 22:41 |
| pablo2 | Hi , guys, How to acess the camera in n900, using dbus gstream? | 22:41 |
| alterego | pablo2: gstreamer, uses the standard v4l2src | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | strange, so mething set my xchat net_ping_timeout to 60 | 22:41 |
| __a | frals, Scelt: just got my n900 yesterday... is there a swedish channel/community? | 22:41 |
| frals | __a: #maemosweden afaik | 22:42 |
| frals | and maemosweden.com or something | 22:42 |
| ZogG | frals are you from sweden? | 22:42 |
| Scelt | frals, __a: I'm a Finn so don't listen to me | 22:42 |
| frals | ZogG: yepp | 22:42 |
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| __a | frals: k, thnx! | 22:42 |
| frals | Scelt: figured... ;-) | 22:42 |
| ZogG | frals my ex was sweden | 22:42 |
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| __a | Scelt: hehe ok | 22:42 |
| ZogG | but she turn to be bitch and broke my heart | 22:43 |
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| Scelt | frals: I actually meant to say it only to __a cos I thought you already know. as we once talked about it already :) | 22:43 |
| frals | Scelt: aye ^^ | 22:43 |
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| ZogG | frals Akander her surname if maybe you know her ) | 22:44 |
| Scelt | frals: when you use "borta"? "Vill du ta det borta?" sounds fine to me but I think I'm forgetting some very strict rule about something | 22:44 |
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| ZogG | bra is good in swedish | 22:45 |
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| frals | Scelt: 'borta' is more like gone | 22:45 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, hey | 22:45 |
| Scelt | frals: oh, okay. so it's a fine word but used to another purpose | 22:45 |
| frals | Scelt: yeah | 22:45 |
| * ZogG mp> The.Drawn.Together.Movie.The.Movie.720p.Bluray.X264-DIMENSION.mkv [1280x720 avc1 23.976fps] | 22:45 | |
| Scelt | ZogG: stop warezing | 22:46 |
| ZogG | Scelt =( | 22:46 |
| Scelt | frals: thx for the tip :) | 22:46 |
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| ZogG | i'm drinking on my bday - can i annoy once =))) | 22:46 |
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| lcuk | holy crap - looking the part already: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=641035&postcount=35 | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | taurus - like me :-) | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | "<ZogG> frals my ex was sweden" | 22:49 |
| lcuk | ZogG, you dated a country? | 22:49 |
| RevdKathy | I call that STAMINA! | 22:50 |
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| korhojoa | :D | 22:50 |
| pupnik | :D | 22:50 |
| ZogG | lcuk swidish | 22:50 |
| ZogG | swedish | 22:50 |
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| ZogG | damn, can you excuse drunk russian guy | 22:51 |
| * RevdKathy pokes lcuk back | 22:51 | |
| RevdKathy | ZogG - excused and absolved | 22:51 |
| lcuk | ZogG, you would have to be drunk | 22:51 |
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| ZogG | RevdKathy =* | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | "i woke up in vegas with a massive headache and a country as a wife" | 22:51 |
| arnor | hi all! | 22:51 |
| lcuk | i cant remember its name tho | 22:52 |
| andre__ | harhar | 22:52 |
| ZogG | =( | 22:52 |
| arnor | could someone tell me where I could find the package named "upstart-job", please? | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | dont worry ZogG you can get it annuled :D | 22:52 |
| ZogG | from the word anal? | 22:52 |
| ZogG | hmm | 22:53 |
| ZogG | it was too much sorry | 22:53 |
| andre__ | arnor, why? | 22:53 |
| ZogG | i should prob stop talking till i get myself in trouble | 22:53 |
| arnor | it appears to be missing when I try to install Pidgin plug-in | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: 'fear and loathing...'? | 22:53 |
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| andre__ | arnor, maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10006#c1 helps? | 22:53 |
| povbot | Bug 10006: Msn (Haze) changes port settings to -2147483648 by itself | 22:53 |
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| arnor | andre__: thanks, I'll see that | 22:54 |
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| SimonLR | I just punched a baby | 22:55 |
| RevdKathy | maemo.org server is reported to be back | 22:55 |
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| * mece looks away from the leak fw thread clenching his fists. | 22:56 | |
| lcuk | SimonLR, :S | 22:56 |
| andre__ | at least bugs.maemo.org works for me again so I hope the rest is available again too | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ohnoes | 22:56 |
| SimonLR | lcuk, YOU WANT SOME OF THIS?! | 22:56 |
| lcuk | no and i'd rather you didnt use language and mannerisms like that around here | 22:56 |
| ZogG | who is quip or someone with nick similar to this? | 22:57 |
| lcuk | qgil - quim gil ? | 22:57 |
| mece | OMG aaahahaha. | 22:57 |
| chem|st | lcuk: true | 22:58 |
| * mece is reading the leaked rc thread | 22:58 | |
| SimonLR | lcuk, calm down. It's called humor. | 22:58 |
| mece | LOOL | 22:58 |
| mece | this thread is comedy gold! | 22:58 |
| pupnik | i need a job where i get to beat people up. so i can vent the frustration from my hobby | 22:59 |
| mece | my favorite so far: "This IS supposed to be a debate but STILL none of you agree to a thing i have said" Bwyuahahahahaaa | 22:59 |
| Jaffa | mece: Ha. URL? | 22:59 |
| mece | jaffa, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=640696&postcount=561 | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: usuallz it's other waz round | 22:59 |
| mece | it's , you guessed it, abill_uk | 22:59 |
| microlith | dude has a screw loose | 23:00 |
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| mece | I think he's the most entertaining poster for a very long time. | 23:01 |
| pupnik | Didn't realize you were a qwerty typer with a qwertz device, DocScrutinizer51 :) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I am since a wek | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but the other way round | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | week even | 23:02 |
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| ZogG | lcuk he said as pr was leaked it would be released tomoorow | 23:04 |
| ZogG | he was here | 23:04 |
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| ZogG | i'm not sure if it was really him | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | ok well grep back yourself and find a proper quote | 23:05 |
| lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 23:05 |
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| mece | qgil hasn't been here since 2010-03-10 | 23:07 |
| lcuk | well i didnt think so either, hence asking for proper quotes | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen qgil | 23:10 |
| infobot | qgil <~qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 33d 21m 17s ago, saying: 'ever'. | 23:10 |
| mintux | somebody said the original nokia n900 is from Korea but here we have made in Finland http://senseapplied.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/NokiaN900Inside.jpg ? | 23:10 |
| mece | minitux, preprod devices were made in finland | 23:11 |
| mintux | its fake ? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't matter where it's built | 23:11 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, #meego, these days. | 23:12 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer51: why ? we have faked chines has symbian | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's no such thing like Nokia N900 fakes afaik | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's lookalikes and dummy 'phones' | 23:14 |
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| ShadowJK | it'd be pretty obvious | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | The real thing has x-terminal ;-) | 23:15 |
| ZogG | lcuk, found it - it wasn't quim ) | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and uname -a | 23:16 |
| ZogG | squiddNokia will release it tuesday. Now that its out in the open anyways theres no reason to hold it back | 23:16 |
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| * ZogG sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop] | 23:16 | |
| ZogG | ^uname -a | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | what did you find where? | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | and, um, I hope they aren't going to release this allegedly unstable thing :) | 23:17 |
| ZogG | hope too | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | q\\ | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | q | 23:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | 1.2 rc may not be the current release candidate | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | perhaps :) | 23:18 |
| mece | wohoo! found the ignore function :D | 23:19 |
| mece | although... is it wise. I'd miss a lot of entertainment. | 23:19 |
| mtnbkr | mintux: mine says "Designed in Finland" and inside the battery compartment "Made in Korea" | 23:19 |
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| alterego | So did Quim notify this abill_uk idiot to revert his N900 and wait until tomorrow? | 23:20 |
| alterego | I was wondering what his post meant .. | 23:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | whatever current release candidate and 1.2rc might mean here | 23:20 |
| lcuk | it was not quim | 23:20 |
| ZogG | mece, i hope not me is ingored - thoug it's fair | 23:20 |
| ZogG | alterego, perhaps not | 23:21 |
| mintux | mtnbkr: so the im looking for korea ? because the Finland has price higher than made in korea here | 23:21 |
| ZogG | not sure who was it? | 23:21 |
| microlith | mintux: where are you looking? | 23:21 |
| mece | ZogG, why would I ignore you? | 23:21 |
| mintux | microlith: IRAN | 23:21 |
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| alterego | Well, I'm sure someone contacted him, otherwise I can't work out any reason for him to know there's an update in "36 hours" .. | 23:21 |
| microlith | OH, that makes things... interesting | 23:21 |
| ZogG | mece, because i'm drunk and act like an ass | 23:21 |
| RevdKathy | ZogG that's a reason to follow you! Much more fun. :D | 23:22 |
| ZogG | RevdKathy haha | 23:22 |
| mintux | there are no warranty here . so I should be careful what will I buy . because I can't fix it or change it | 23:22 |
| ZogG | RevdKathy, my tweeter in russian and i'm sad f#$k | 23:23 |
| mece | RevdKathy, still, I think abill_uk has raised the bar for crazy posting by a mile today! | 23:23 |
| RevdKathy | I'm not convince he isn't OrangeBox's Bastard brother come home from the war | 23:23 |
| lcuk | doesnt god still have the record for crazies per day | 23:24 |
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| RevdKathy | Would be appropriate, lcuk | 23:24 |
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| mintux | mece:prototypes is better or worst ? | 23:24 |
| ZogG | i spent a lot of money on n900 - more that i can and sometimes i feel pity but i'm happy with it after all | 23:24 |
| mintux | shit | 23:24 |
| mece | lcuk, huh.. right, but that was different. | 23:24 |
| mintux | mece: prototypes is better or worst ? | 23:24 |
| mece | mintux, well the same or worse I'd think. | 23:24 |
| mintux | hmm | 23:24 |
| microlith | prototypes? | 23:25 |
| mece | mintux, isn't the device released in Iran? | 23:25 |
| mece | mintux, or are you looking for used devices? | 23:26 |
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| pupnik | ZogG: camera plus phone plus computer makes it worth it | 23:26 |
| mintux | mece: yes. but it doesn't has any warranty . and it can be fake here . because Chinese or another models | 23:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | worse | 23:27 |
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| mece | mintux, well if you buy from a shop, and is able to test it, ctrl-shift-x and you can read the kernel version right there. Should confirm if it's a proper device. | 23:28 |
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| mintux | I have to pay 580$ for Finland and 550$ for korea here with no warranty | 23:28 |
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| alterego | What do you mean no warranty? Don't you get manufacturers warranty as Nokia are a finnish company .. | 23:29 |
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| mece | mintux, if you buy straight from Nokia, and they deliver to your home, then warranty should be there. | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | alterego, I am guessing Nokia doesn't sell it in Iran and has no Service in Iran. I'm also guessing there are some logistical issues with having it repaired or claiming warranty in europe... :( | 23:31 |
| mintux | alterego: doesn't support here . Nokia doesn't has offical support center in this country . maybe my phone has warranty but I can not use it . because I can send it to another country for warranty . and another products there are some department they have fixer and they fix some phone's themselves and they guarantee some products | 23:32 |
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| mintux | also the garranty label is just for sell their wares and it is not really | 23:33 |
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| ShadowJK | How the hell does your supplier have Made in Finland N900s, there aren't that many of them I think :) | 23:33 |
| nomis | for some reason ubuntu 10.4 does not want to play nicely with my n900. Network manager just does not offer the connection in its plugin. | 23:33 |
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| mintux | ShadowJK: so I can find korea and finland too here ( which one better ? ) | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mintux: if somebody wants to sell bullshit to you then they will do anyway. they won't tell you in advance on their website. | 23:36 |
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| Dima202 | I've got 2 years of warranty because I bought using my American Express card whcih doubles it :) | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | mintux: I'd get the Korea version | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | it's probably newest | 23:37 |
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| mintux | my friend has Finland ( and he bought in Dubai ) but I think it's better to get Korea | 23:37 |
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| mintux | in my country most of people knows original Nokia from Finland . and some sellers put Korea label on the phones and sell them it and pay much for it | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's all mere handwaving | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody but Nokia knows what vesion is built where and if/how thez differ | 23:40 |
| chem|st | whats a good ebook reader? | 23:40 |
| tripzero | kindle? | 23:40 |
| chem|st | tripzero: for maemo | 23:41 |
| chem|st | I already suggested kindle | 23:41 |
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| Dima202 | n900 | 23:41 |
| chem|st | but dor on the busstop | 23:41 |
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| RevdKathy | I use fbreader, chem|st | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and odds are the Monday's batch of anz origin is worse than Thursday's arbitrary competitor | 23:41 |
| chem|st | RevdKathy: supported formats? | 23:42 |
| Dima202 | I've read 5 books on n900 and it's awesome, I wish the vince ebook reader could fit the text side to side perfectly at max resolution | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | fbreader works for me | 23:42 |
| Dima202 | evince* | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | does at least epub and html | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't tried others | 23:42 |
| Dima202 | evince for .pdfs | 23:42 |
| chem|st | Dima202: evince is not an ebok reader | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | read ~100 books | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | pdfs are barking mad on a mobile device | 23:42 |
| Shapeshifter | bah this pyside/qt mess because of pr1.2 is getting on my nerves | 23:43 |
| RevdKathy | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39044 | 23:43 |
| Dima202 | Evince is a great for me as an ebook reader.. it remembers where i left off | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | so does fbreader | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | even if the n900 crashes | 23:44 |
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| Dima202 | fbreader cant handle pdfs and evince never crashed on me | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean n900 | 23:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Admittedly tht was when I was doing something silly in /proc | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tztztz | 23:44 |
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| RevdKathy | Right - got a busy day tomorrow and need my beauty sleep (don't say that's a lost cause!) | 23:45 |
| RevdKathy | Goodnight all! | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nite | 23:46 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | heyho...i have my n900 with usb plugged on my usb port (with out nokia pc-suite)....how can i access the filesystem? | 23:47 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i only hab access to dcim, sounds, images etc | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's as good as it gets | 23:48 |
| TeQuillaaaA | what?^^ | 23:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mass storage exports MyDocs and uSD only | 23:49 |
| TeQuillaaaA | oh | 23:49 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | and how can i access to filesystem? | 23:49 |
| TeQuillaaaA | with pc suite? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for full access to the device you want to use sftp | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or scp | 23:49 |
| SimonLR | use SCP. | 23:50 |
| SimonLR | sFTP is for grandmothers and buffalo. | 23:50 |
| TeQuillaaaA | and how? | 23:50 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i have a debian lenny... | 23:50 |
| TeQuillaaaA | on pc :) | 23:50 |
| SimonLR | install openssh on the device. | 23:50 |
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| alterego | I like how gnome integrates ssh into nautilus for browsing, that's what I use. | 23:50 |
| TeQuillaaaA | ok | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SimonLR: muhahahaha | 23:50 |
| mintux | doest it channel has logs ? | 23:50 |
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| SimonLR | Then use scp as if it was cp. | 23:50 |
| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer, brewhahaha | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SimonLR: I'm using sftp in my filemanager and I don't think I'm less 7331 than you | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | suckker | 23:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:52 |
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| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer51, do you have a daughter who has 2 children? | 23:52 |
| SimonLR | Because that would make you a grandmother. | 23:53 |
| SimonLR | And you'd be okay to use sftp. | 23:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:53 |
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| Dima202 | what tha? | 23:54 |
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| qmid | Hi, how do i change the oriantation of xephyr? | 23:55 |
| qmid | rite now it is landscape | 23:55 |
| lirakis | qmid, put it in a dress ? | 23:55 |
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| Zeddy | turn your screen | 23:55 |
| Zeddy | ^_^ sorry red wine.. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | rotate your head. | 23:55 |
| qmid | come on guys | 23:55 |
| SimonLR | snort LSD | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SimonLR: of course from zour POV each 16 years old is a grandma | 23:56 |
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| SimonLR | DocScrutinizer51: Surely you jest. | 23:56 |
| qmid | xrandr did not help | 23:57 |
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| * GAN900 is 22 and using SFTP | 23:58 | |
| GAN900 | Either I'm old or SimonLR is full of it. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | /mode +q #maemo * | 23:59 |
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| zokier | sftp is actually newer protocol than scp | 23:59 |
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