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| javispedro | evening | 00:05 |
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| javispedro | nice stuff DocScrutinizer. considering the musb_hdrc actually worked do you still think it's borked somehow? | 00:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a long way between 'it does something', and 'my USB cheeseboard works'. | 00:09 |
| javispedro | yeah, but in this case, "doing something" means it has not a #if NOKIA_N900 bork(); | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | perhaps | 00:10 |
| javispedro | from now on we're discussing "proper" bugs in musb_hdrc | 00:10 |
| javispedro | (or hidden bme/dsme behaviours) | 00:10 |
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| javispedro | *evil behaviors, for the matter. | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is the above utilised boost supply cap a dedicated boost cap? | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - are components there for no purpose other than USB host | 00:16 |
| javispedro | <uninformed>I gather not.</uninformed>. | 00:16 |
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| pablo2 | Hi, Is it possible send message dbus to Flash Camera in n900 !? | 00:24 |
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| b-man | hmm, it looks like there is a nokia update for firefox | 00:26 |
| opdf2 | how do u add a plus sign to a phone number in the phonebook? it wont let me | 00:26 |
| opdf2 | like +18001234567 | 00:27 |
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| n900-dk | opdf2: Use the plus sign :) | 00:28 |
| b-man | hmmm... firefox won't launch after the update :P | 00:29 |
| opdf2 | nm i had to add it in a skype field. the phone number field only lets me enter 10 characteres | 00:29 |
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| opdf2 | okay nm that didnt work either | 00:31 |
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| opdf2 | grrr okay i could add it now...i must be tired | 00:32 |
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| n900-dk | it sure is late :) | 00:34 |
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| vltR | hi all, does any1 know how to find qt4-core for n900? is needed for many apps but cant find it ; ( | 00:45 |
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| pupnik | ~ $ apt-cache search qt4 |grep core | 00:48 |
| pupnik | libqt4-core - Qt 4 core module | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's always late *somewhere* | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no, they components are dual-use of bq24150 usb bat charger | 01:16 |
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| Andy80 | is anyone of you using Maemo 5 SDK with ubuntu lucid? I cannot complete the installation :\ | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: well, we see musb-hdrc is *somewhere* to *some extent* working inside kernel (aka compiled in, not a module) apparently. | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to me it seems (sorry if that's maybe total BS) like OMAP has 2 usb ports, and the 1:1 is NOT the one that goes to the micro-B receptacle. (Again, that's a completely unchecked idea based on feeling). Anyway musb_hdrc doesn't respond to 'echo host >mode' (http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c line 2010), or to be precise I don't see any reaction on doing that. | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OTOH I'd really like to know which process e.g rises that notorious "mass-storage or PC-Suite mode?" requester | 01:22 |
| javispedro | process should be easy to know, but most probably it is notified by d-bus via ke-recv | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | considering a -SIGSTOP BME both keeps VBUS alive and kills the watchdog, I really start to fear for our chances to edit in there | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | regarding that requester kept bme from killing VBUS | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | screw the watchdog | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | :) | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB! the requester kept VBUS alive for infinite time | 01:25 |
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| javispedro | or do what titan usually does -- patch the kernel so that it ignores bme | 01:25 |
| javispedro | bme requests directed to certain /proc or /sys entries | 01:26 |
| javispedro | (though I would be more happy changing bme itself instead...) | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | YESS | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I also want a 'charge battery to 4050V mode | 01:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | 4.050V | 01:27 |
| javispedro | hum. | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | open a bug to open up bme's source? | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (for battery longevity) | 01:27 |
| javispedro | oh, believe me, that bug is opened since day 0 | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: now that's feckng easy, when's your birthday? | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 01:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly about specific setup to strace bme | 01:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | 4050 would be nice when eestor produce product. | 01:29 |
| javispedro | ~curse blog spam | 01:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, blog spam ! | 01:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer also ponders >>echo -e "#!/bin/sh\ntrue" >/sbin/bme_RX-51 && chmod a+x /sbin/bme_RX-51<< | 01:30 | |
| javispedro | reboot loop | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 01:31 |
| javispedro | well, maybe with r&d mode.. | 01:31 |
| b-man | http://spielzeugz.de/html5/liquid-particles.html :))) | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash goop | 01:31 |
| * javispedro is missing a microB<-> A cable | 01:31 | |
| javispedro | _female_ A, or male B. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the watchdog dsmetool? | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | or is it kernelside? | 01:32 |
| javispedro | naa -- dsme is mostly open. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Two cables, soldering iron | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: F-A2F-A adapter ftw | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, you can kill it with dsmetool, that would however cause I reboot | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | a* | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/FR+UMTS.jpg | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | so I doubt it's the watchdog | 01:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the idea * looks into drawer * | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: standard linux kernel watchdog device | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | my uneducated guess | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` | 01:35 |
| javispedro | Note that R&D mode disables the watchdogs, if that's what you're trying to do now. | 01:35 |
| javispedro | (watchdogs because AFAIU the n8x0 had more than one, dunno about the n900) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yes, that's next point on my master plan for world dominion | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, it does | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | no-omap-wd | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | no-ext-wd | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | no-lifeguard-reset | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | assuming it's the last one we need to disable, since that watches the applications | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | /daemons etc.. | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll stick with waiting for a high-spirited mood to scrutinize bme's strace | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | mq_timedreceive(6, "\2\0\0\0\1\0\31\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 256, 0, {0, 0}) = 12 | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | timer_settime(0x17, 0, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}) = 0 | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ioctl(3, 0x6000, 0xbef74970) = 0 | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | read(11, "\322\2\0\0", 4) = 4 | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | writev(11, [{"\20\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\4\5\0\0", 12}, {"\322\2\0\0", 4}], 2) = 16 | 01:38 |
| javispedro | the lifeguard reset can be disabled with software, no need for bme | 01:38 |
| javispedro | the problematic ones with bme and the gang should be the hw ones | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - teaching strace ioctls would be a good 0th step | 01:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: also monitor files opened for a start =) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, as it hits my mind: what's that strange crap with system on my N900 (from Nokia repair) has frequent ping timeouts (->xchat rejoins) and doesn't pop up lockscreen anymore on pressing powerbutton?? :-O | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOKIA FOCKED M<Y PHONE WITH VIRUS!!1!!! | 01:40 |
| javispedro | trip back to nokia care? | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ROFL http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51280&page=3 | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, read it xD | 01:41 |
| javispedro | when I got mine back the case wasn't correctly closed at all. it was making pressure against two keys that were unusable. | 01:41 |
| javispedro | I had to send it back.. | 01:41 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, same problem, same fix XD | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 01:42 |
| javispedro | aha | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | though a bit scary actually | 01:42 |
| * javispedro fins male to male A cable | 01:42 | |
| javispedro | finds | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | crap | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, why? lol | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a F-F | 01:43 |
| javispedro | dammit, it also has "broken" tag | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:43 |
| javispedro | i wonder if it is because the guy who put it wasn't able to use it, | 01:43 |
| javispedro | or because it's really broken. | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | male2male *is* broken by design | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch the URL.jpg - the grey ugly thing in the center | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the *real* thing | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | every shit and its accessory comes with a xy->maleA cable | 01:45 |
| javispedro | I guess. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ge a female-A-2-female-A adapter and connect two arbitrary of those cables | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | geT | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like with ethernet patchcables | 01:46 |
| * javispedro has a little idea with the male2male and two female2male A cables | 01:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a rj45 plug on every of them | 01:47 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'm just trying to do it now (it's 0:00) ;) | 01:47 |
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| * javispedro fails at first grade geometry | 01:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host#Connecting_a_USB-Stick | 01:50 |
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| javispedro | I know have a completely useless 20m long male2male cable. | 01:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's topology rather han geometry | 01:50 | |
| javispedro | now | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol - I really managed not to dpoil it :-P | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | spoil | 01:51 |
| javispedro | indeed :P | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen the 20m m2m before my virtual eye 5min ago | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't worry, I easily figured as I was sitting at home with similar cable some 18 months ago ;-P | 01:53 |
| Mace_N900 | hello | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | but me has 5++ "universal usb adapter kit" bullshit, from Taiwan | 01:54 |
| Mace_N900 | know what. the on screen keyboard isnt too bad | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine XD | 01:54 |
| javispedro | I also got yelled at for making noise :) | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not unbearably good either | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm surprised at how fast I've gotten with the hw kb | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ~30wpm | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the joy of being solitaire | 01:55 |
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| gnadar | hi, i need some help with setuping up the scratchbox | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeeeek | 01:56 |
| Mace_N900 | speed. i found getting used to the hw kb was a pain from a g1 | 01:56 |
| gnadar | i have installed the scratchpad on ubuntu | 01:56 |
| gnadar | but i see that the python is 2.3, i want to upgrade to higher version | 01:56 |
| * SpeedEvil prefers the joy of being minesweeper. | 01:56 | |
| gnadar | how can I do that? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm in deep love with my new qwerty | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Mace_N900: Having your laptop break, and your n900 be your only computer for a week helps. | 01:56 |
| gnadar | apt-get install python installs 2.5 but invoking with python does not really invoke the new version | 01:57 |
| gnadar | anyhelp? | 01:57 |
| Mace_N900 | the g1 wasnt that good of a phone. but damn it had a good hw kb | 01:57 |
| Mace_N900 | speed. i need to find my su8w | 01:57 |
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| Mace_N900 | im going to look for it now | 01:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to try to get my bt keyb working again | 01:57 |
| Mace_N900 | either that or get a new bt kb | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hell, my laptop AND my N900 broke same time. N810 saved my life | 01:58 |
| Mace_N900 | they dont work in m5? | 01:58 |
| gnadar | guys? | 01:58 |
| Mace_N900 | my su8w worked good on my n800 and n810 | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnadar: afaik python installs concurrent versions. maybe you need to specify FQN | 01:59 |
| Mace_N900 | ok.. onscreen was becoming a pain heh | 01:59 |
| Mace_N900 | it comes in handy for short stuff tho | 01:59 |
| gnadar | FQN? | 01:59 |
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| Mace_N900 | let me start charging this phone and look for my su8w | 02:00 |
| Mace_N900 | it has to be around here somewhere | 02:00 |
| gnadar | if you mean fully qualified name, then that does not work, coz i need to compile another component using python sdk | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf fqn | 02:00 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what fqn means... | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnahhh | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Fully qualified name | 02:01 |
| gnadar | DocScrutinizer, is there a way to specific current active python? | 02:01 |
| gnadar | DocScrutinizer, got that | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | try "which python" | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably there's a link from /usr/bin/python to /opt/python2.3/python - or similar | 02:02 |
| gnadar | ok | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l `which python` | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Apr 23 19:52 /usr/bin/python -> python2.5 | 02:03 |
| javispedro | naa SDK is a bit different from device | 02:03 |
| javispedro | just try python2.5 | 02:03 |
| gnadar | it is something like this /scratchbox/tools/bin/python | 02:03 |
| javispedro | sbox will magically eat any exec to "python" and use 2.3 | 02:03 |
| javispedro | but won't eat execs to "python2.5" | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I got NOOOOOO idea about such crap ;-P | 02:04 |
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| gnadar | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 978728 Aug 24 2009 python | 02:04 |
| gnadar | not a link | 02:04 |
| javispedro | gnadar: ignore the filesystem; sbox does it. | 02:04 |
| javispedro | if you still want to use "python" as interpreter name, | 02:04 |
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| javispedro | export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python | 02:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer seems to remember that's what "#! /bin/env python" was for | 02:05 | |
| javispedro | then it won't ignore the filesystem (and if this is a fremantle target, already contains 2.5) | 02:05 |
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| gnadar | ok let me try that | 02:05 |
| javispedro | it's some sbox stuff that tries to be a bit too intelligent. | 02:05 |
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| gnadar | yeah how do i get around that?!? | 02:06 |
| javispedro | what you want to do, exactly? | 02:06 |
| javispedro | launch python 2.5 interpreter? just type "python2.5" | 02:07 |
| gnadar | ok | 02:07 |
| gnadar | i will tell the whole problem | 02:07 |
| gnadar | i want to run mercurial (hg) in the sbox | 02:07 |
| gnadar | hg wants 2.4 and higher version of python | 02:07 |
| gnadar | but it finds 2.3 and does not compile and install | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | alias python=python2.5? | 02:08 |
| gnadar | SpeedEvil, will give that a shot | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | That may not be the correct syntax - I'm tired. | 02:08 |
| javispedro | or else just export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - setting PATH? | 02:08 |
| javispedro | and prolly export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/pytho | 02:09 |
| javispedro | n | 02:09 |
| gnadar | the alias thing worked :) | 02:09 |
| ZogG | http://gotsars.rdw.org/uploads/links/c2e7eb952edbc22a55dc965a167f42d0.gif | 02:09 |
| gnadar | but i will try the path export as well, by putting the user/bin ahead of others | 02:09 |
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| gnadar | woohoo the alias part worked beautifully | 02:10 |
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| gnadar | i have now mercurial in sbox, something i was trying out for a while. | 02:11 |
| gnadar | now, another question (fyi, linux newbie) | 02:11 |
| gnadar | how do I put the alias or the path somewhere in a common place so that I don't have to retype it again n again everything i getinto sbox | 02:11 |
| gnadar | hg | 02:12 |
| gnadar | oops sorry wrong window | 02:12 |
| Mace_N900 | it has to be around here somewhere | 02:12 |
| Mace_N900 | oops | 02:12 |
| Mace_N900 | ok i found it | 02:12 |
| Mace_N900 | let me see if i can pair this thing | 02:12 |
| javispedro | gnadar: ".bashrc" and ."bash_profile" files in /home/user | 02:13 |
| javispedro | not /home/user but /home/YOURUSERNAME | 02:14 |
| javispedro | (INSIDE scratchbox) | 02:14 |
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| gnadar | ok got it | 02:16 |
| Mace_N900 | ok wtf | 02:16 |
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| * javispedro drops all the cables into the trash and calls it a day | 02:16 | |
| gnadar | nice got that it work too | 02:16 |
| gnadar | thanks. | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 02:17 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:17 |
| Mace_N900 | no bt kb support?? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://www.shapeshifter.se/2009/07/07/diy-female-female-usb-adapter/ | 02:18 |
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| Mace_N900 | this su8w worked with my n810 | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: no kbd supporting N900 BT | 02:18 |
| Mace_N900 | :( | 02:18 |
| Mace_N900 | supporting n900 br? | 02:18 |
| Mace_N900 | bt | 02:18 |
| Mace_N900 | is it non standard or something? | 02:19 |
| Mace_N900 | omg this is lame | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | well allegedly the Nokia kbd works | 02:19 |
| Mace_N900 | i am using a nokia kb | 02:19 |
| Mace_N900 | an su8w | 02:19 |
| * javispedro considers usb-to-ps/2 keyboard adapters precious, rare things, specially now that most motherboards are only going to come with one or zero ps/2 ports and most bioses are shit | 02:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably BT is not a standard generally | 02:19 |
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| Mace_N900 | bt hid is a standard | 02:19 |
| Mace_N900 | youve got to be kidding me | 02:20 |
| javispedro | yeah bt hid is a standard, and the n900 also uses bluez (aka standard), if there's an issue it must be at an higher level | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so what shall you do with that 'precious' USB-F-2-PS2-M adapter then?? | 02:20 |
| Mace_N900 | sigh | 02:20 |
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| Mace_N900 | that just sucks | 02:20 |
| Mace_N900 | smartphone my ass :) | 02:20 |
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| Mace_N900 | and i was all amped up to dig up my su8w | 02:21 |
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| Mace_N900 | it detects it as a kb | 02:21 |
| Mace_N900 | maybe there is something i am missing | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see, if the mainboard comes with 1 or 0 receptacles to plug in that adapter, so what? | 02:21 |
| Mace_N900 | brb | 02:21 |
| Mace_N900 | nope | 02:23 |
| Mace_N900 | this totally blows | 02:23 |
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| javispedro | nothing. | 02:23 |
| Mace_N900 | hm... | 02:24 |
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| Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397 | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer sucks btw | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this one nice - alas not for N900-B-only receptacle: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=H11576-ND | 02:25 |
| Macer | :) | 02:26 |
| Macer | luke. don't you have divorce meetings with the lawyer and church? | 02:26 |
| luke-jr | no | 02:26 |
| Macer | it's ok tho.. the hid is disabled by default | 02:26 |
| javispedro | gnite gentlemen | 02:26 |
| Macer | just have to enable it | 02:26 |
| Macer | trying it now :) | 02:26 |
| Macer | finally i can use my su8w again | 02:26 |
| Macer | i need to remap some of the keys | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://cgi.ebay.ch/USBAA-FF-USB-Adapter-A-Buchse-A-Buchse-/370322835005 | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2646 | 02:31 |
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| Mace_N900 | well | 02:52 |
| Mace_N900 | xchat is du | 02:52 |
| Mace_N900 | dumb :) | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ever purchased anything from DX? | 02:52 |
| Mace_N900 | think i have to disable the on screen | 02:52 |
| Mace_N900 | ok | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I have | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Too much stuff | 02:53 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 02:53 | |
| Mace_N900 | oh wtf | 02:53 |
| Mace_N900 | the fn numbers dont work | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I can see from where I am... | 02:53 |
| Mace_N900 | omg you mean i need to run this script every time i connect it... haha | 02:53 |
| Mace_N900 | blah.. brb | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 items from them | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | Mace_N900, just use alt | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, how long does standard shipping take? | 02:54 |
| Mace_N900 | wow | 02:54 |
| * MohammadAG_ assumes, for some reason, that SpeedEvil is from the EU | 02:54 | |
| Mace_N900 | now enter doesnt work when using the su8w map | 02:54 |
| Mace_N900 | wtf | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: not yet | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | in private | 02:55 |
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| Mace_N900 | oops | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | ah well it's only a buck | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I think openmoko sometimes did when in a pinch ;-P | 02:55 |
| Mace_N900 | blah... let me try something | 02:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: couple of weeksish | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: unless they are having one of their wierd holidays | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | grrr, too long lol | 02:57 |
| * SpeedEvil is from scotland! | 02:57 | |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | brb - out of woad. | 02:57 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lol thought you were from the UK for some reason | 02:57 |
| Mace_N900 | jjjjj | 02:57 |
| Mace_N900 | ok | 02:57 |
| Mace_N900 | well.. i guess for enter to work the kb has to be slid open | 02:57 |
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| Mace_N900 | it maps it differently if the phone is closed | 02:57 |
| Mace_N900 | that kind of sucks | 02:58 |
| Mace_N900 | i guess this is a solution until actual kb support comes along | 02:58 |
| Mace_N900 | or i can figure out how to map this thing differently when it´s closed | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.849 | 02:59 |
| Mace_N900 | i have to run xkb every time i connect.. that kind of sucks too :) | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Oooh - a clear upgrade for every OM user! http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12002 | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol - I bet they were, like 30ctUS, in Taipei | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want a pen/n900 stylus | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | though that's tricky | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | increeeeeedible | 03:02 |
| * MohammadAG_ is tempted http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11315 | 03:02 | |
| Mace_N900 | ok | 03:02 |
| Mace_N900 | well.. i guess this is ghetto but it works | 03:02 |
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| Mace_N900 | i have to keep the n900 in a mount with the kb open to type on it correctly but hey.. bt keyboard makes this way better | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Mace: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/queen-beecon/0.1.4/ | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 03:03 |
| Mace_N900 | sure wish i could close the thing tho :) | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 200mW, not that crappy | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Mace: handy for command line stuff you want | 03:03 |
| Mace_N900 | SpeedEvil: well. i think itś more handy for irc | 03:03 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 03:03 |
| Mace_N900 | typing commands on an su8w can be a pain | 03:04 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:04 | |
| Mace_N900 | numbers are a bitch as it is :) | 03:04 |
| Mace_N900 | it took 3 keys to make that smiley btw | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to get my laser ranger built and on ebay | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | so many projects | 03:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer got 150mW green, but missing a decent read laser | 03:04 | |
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| Mace_N900 | maybe a pc bt kb would be better suited than one i got for my n95 like 3 years ago | 03:06 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders about other kinky ways to make N900 go BOOOM | 03:07 | |
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| Mace_N900 | heh | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | <DocScrutinizer> 200mW, not that crappy | 03:07 |
| Mace_N900 | if i had an office app i´d be set | 03:07 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | *not that* crappy? | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | I've never seen higher :) | 03:08 |
| Mace_N900 | i´m sure spreadsheets would be a pain in thge ass tho | 03:08 |
| * SpeedEvil has a 2W 780nm one. | 03:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: real fun starts @ 500mW | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | 2W? | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | wow | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops 780, do you see it ? | 03:08 |
| Arkenoi | where can i get one? | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, LINK LINK LINK! | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | :p | 03:08 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 03:09 |
| Arkenoi | i think i can use one as lighter | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no - for the above mentioned laser ranger | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arkenoi, 500's enough for that | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | 10 secs or more to light up the cig though | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | well the real strong green ones are ~1400bucks | 03:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13512 | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | wtf | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | I expected 100 or so lol | 03:10 |
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| Arkenoi | which is the strongest that fits in pocket and costs within $200 range? | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly 300mW green | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Beware ratings | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arkenoi, buy a 200mW one and overclock it! | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | some aren't real | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | :p | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | They count the IR emission too | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | most aren't | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: is the 780 visible? | 03:11 |
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| Arkenoi | red ones are usually cheaper | 03:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Arkenoi, and less visible | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow! A n900 for $60! | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 03:12 |
| mirsal | wtf ;x | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, it's running MeeGo! | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | 8MP cam, sweet! | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 for 25EUR -> http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4207_Original-Nokia-N900-Dummy-Phone-puma-black.html | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if that has all the mechanical parts | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though probably real keymat, real case, real slider mech, real backlid | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I found a couple of those dummies on the junkyard and of course ripped them apart - some of them even had real switch assy | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not N900 of course | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, real keymat? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but Nokia | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, those are 1/10^3 the number built for the real thing. So it's more economic for some parts to use the original cheap plastic shit, than to make it 0.4ct cheaper, at the expense of $$$$$ for molds etc | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they can simply switch to a cheaper plastic for example, then they'll do | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | type of plastic material | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but they won't build a new mold to save 0.5g of plastic / unit | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | they *might* even use worn-out original molds and mill out / weld in minimal changes, so e.g. no extra IR-window is needed | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as that is expensive on assembly - it's an additional part | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | but usually the dummy cases still have all the brackets/latches for the nonexisting PCB, etc | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably backlid is really nasty glued on | 03:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dorp by your next Nokia store, and check out their dummy phones | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:33 |
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| GAN900 | My friend broke his N900 stylus filling out MLB All Star ballots 10 at a time. . . . | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4645_Original-Nokia-N900-Stylus-Pen-3pcs.html | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | though considering 6 EUR/unit for plastic crap, I actually considered producing and selling luxury version made of brass or sth, for maybe 15/unit | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | 15 cents? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus a few stamps for free | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stainless steel | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or nice wood | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | pizza? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, please. Thanks | 03:46 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, PM :) | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheese, bacon, peppers | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | you just pinged someone | 03:48 |
| lcuk | its ok i already ate | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - no. | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I think a cheese stylus would be a bad idea | 03:50 |
| luke-jr | I ate pizza. | 03:50 |
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| b-man | i love pizza | 04:00 |
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| MohammadAG_ | XChat keeps crashing GTK on 10.04 :/ | 04:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Bug 9803 | 04:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9803 Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?) | 04:50 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Night all | 05:01 |
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| Mace_N900 | hello | 05:39 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | I appear to now be running Wordpress 2.9.x on my N900 | 05:39 |
| Mace_N900 | on? | 05:40 |
| Mace_N900 | like with mysql and apache? | 05:40 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Got a full LAMP stack set up in the Debian chroot | 05:40 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 05:40 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | It's a little bit slow, but incredibly impressive | 05:40 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Pocket blog! | 05:40 |
| Mace_N900 | why not just use a client and connect to a real server? | 05:41 |
| Mace_N900 | like mastory | 05:42 |
| Mace_N900 | just a concept project? | 05:42 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Curiosity, mostly... perhaps a touch of masochism too | 05:42 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | And probably a dash of longing-for-my-Pandora | 05:44 |
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| Mace_N900 | blah | 06:30 |
| Mace_N900 | hi | 06:30 |
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| Gh0sty | good morning | 07:11 |
| Gh0sty | well at my side of the globe | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin | 07:14 |
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| Gh0sty | is it possible to use crontab to schedule things like a profile switch? :/ | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | totally not aware how it works cause I still need to setup the sdk :p | 07:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: no crond on maemo. Use alarmed app | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: alarmed even has a crontab alike syntax for cmdline | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, somewhat | 07:45 |
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| Chiku|dc | what happend is hk N900 bricked ? | 07:48 |
| Chiku|dc | any firmware to flash it? | 07:48 |
| Chiku|dc | or how they can flash their hk N900 ? | 07:49 |
| Chiku|dc | is it a good question? | 07:49 |
| frals | wild bet that their imei numbers allows download of whatever firmware they got from the fw site | 07:49 |
| Chiku|dc | one hk N900 onwer on this chan? | 07:51 |
| Chiku|dc | to check it | 07:51 |
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| Gh0sty | as far as i understood from a nokia guy i met at a conf in the uk the n900 is not sold locked Chiku|dc | 07:59 |
| Gh0sty | was also the reason I bought one in the UK (I am from belgium myself) | 07:59 |
| Gh0sty | its way cheaper there and the adapter is only peanuts to replace :) | 08:00 |
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| Gh0sty | already reflashed mine (which had UK firmware i guess) with the global firmware (not really sure what the difference is cause I did not find immediatly any description what makes the firmware 'uk specific' | 08:01 |
| Chiku|dc | does firmware have imei lock ? | 08:01 |
| Chiku|dc | does nokia explain why new firmware is out for hk and not for others ? | 08:02 |
| Gh0sty | which part of the "is not sold locked" | 08:02 |
| Gh0sty | is difficult to understand? :P | 08:02 |
| frals | because it needed the new firmware to launch in hk | 08:03 |
| Chiku|dc | technical or developping reason ? | 08:03 |
| frals | its not unheard of having different release dates for different regions | 08:04 |
| Chiku|dc | frals, it mean new firmware is ready | 08:04 |
| Gh0sty | which version is the HK firmware? | 08:04 |
| frals | it means it was ready for HK devices | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chiku|dc: <DocScrutinizer>I'd not even be surprised to see PR1.2 hit the repos 1 or 2 days prior to that. <DocScrutinizer>or 8 weeks later | 08:04 |
| frals | im pretty sure when its ready for everyone its gonna be released to everyone | 08:05 |
| Chiku|dc | nokia even when firmware is ready for release they wait to release for specific regions? | 08:05 |
| frals | pure speculation on my part but maybe it isnt fucking ready for the rest of us? | 08:05 |
| * frals heads back to bed | 08:05 | |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: is there any notes somewhere on "what" the difference is between the firmwares? | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 08:06 |
| Gh0sty | for example what makes the UK firmware different from the global? | 08:06 |
| Chiku|dc | nokia could wtite announce about the reason, then people could be less confuse | 08:06 |
| Gh0sty | I bought my device in the UK so guess it came with UK firmware | 08:07 |
| Gh0sty | read that the firmware does not make a difference so flashed it with the global one ... | 08:07 |
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| Chiku|dc | or from none official devel annonce | 08:07 |
| Gh0sty | but still wondering what might be different :P | 08:07 |
| jacekowski | 1.2 is out? | 08:08 |
| Chiku|dc | Gh0sty, you got one? | 08:08 |
| Gh0sty | well 'does not make a difference' as in: you can just flash the global one and it'll also work | 08:08 |
| Chiku|dc | or you just order one? | 08:08 |
| Gh0sty | I got one for ... 2 to 3 weeks now | 08:08 |
| Chiku|dc | did you cehck on download site? | 08:09 |
| Chiku|dc | do you see the firware? | 08:09 |
| Gh0sty | lets see | 08:09 |
| Gh0sty | which version is there now? | 08:09 |
| jacekowski | Gh0sty: afaik there is difference with keyboard layouts | 08:09 |
| Chiku|dc | PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 | 08:09 |
| Chiku|dc | for us | 08:09 |
| Chiku|dc | what about you | 08:10 |
| Chiku|dc | ? | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: there's allegedly some RF regulatory diffs. Though nobody understands how they manage to have specific France settings without a France version | 08:10 |
| Gh0sty | Chiku|dc: as far as i know still 1.1.1 also | 08:10 |
| Gh0sty | unless that changed overnight :) | 08:10 |
| Chiku|dc | I have france one | 08:10 |
| Gh0sty | oh you are from france? | 08:10 |
| Gh0sty | you just said hongkong? :P | 08:10 |
| Chiku|dc | Gh0sty, so if you bricked you n900, you can't reflash it ;) | 08:11 |
| Gh0sty | why not? | 08:11 |
| Chiku|dc | if you doesn't have firmware to reflash it | 08:11 |
| Gh0sty | as far as i've seen it the device can still be reflashed (With the proper software) even if you brick it | 08:11 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: ah that makes sense | 08:12 |
| Gh0sty | in the US you have a channel 13 for example for wifi | 08:12 |
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| Gh0sty | here in europe i think it only goes up to 12 for example | 08:12 |
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| jacekowski | no | 08:12 |
| jacekowski | it's 13 channels as well | 08:12 |
| Chiku|dc | Gh0sty, no channel 13 too | 08:12 |
| Gh0sty | or 14 in the us? :P | 08:12 |
| jacekowski | no | 08:12 |
| jacekowski | they have 11 in US | 08:12 |
| Gh0sty | or was that now japan :p | 08:12 |
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| Gh0sty | ah possible | 08:12 |
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| Chiku|dc | 14 too | 08:13 |
| Gh0sty | i dont recall the details but i know some regions have less, in other regions they have more :) | 08:13 |
| Chiku|dc | by default all ISP wifi set with channel 13 | 08:13 |
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| jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels | 08:13 |
| jacekowski | 11 in US 13 in EU 14 in JP | 08:13 |
| Gh0sty | and a friend working for cisco once told me in israel they need very strict wifi stuff because the frequencys to detonate "automated mines" are close to WIFI (*horror*) | 08:14 |
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| jacekowski | it's just that they are much more stricter on 100mW power | 08:16 |
| trumee | blyme topic is a bit strict on PR1.2 | 08:16 |
| Chiku|dc | strict for discussion about hk n900 too ? :) | 08:18 |
| Gh0sty | oh and the device is dangerous | 08:18 |
| Gh0sty | i dropped it on a wooden floor ... | 08:18 |
| Gh0sty | the floor is damaged :P | 08:18 |
| Chiku|dc | you did a crash test? | 08:19 |
| Gh0sty | (and that was by accident, almost gave me a heart attack) | 08:19 |
| trumee | 1/5 today :) | 08:19 |
| Gh0sty | also got some water spilled over it ... was standing in a crow, typing sms, some idiot throws water in the crowd ... | 08:19 |
| Gh0sty | so i can confirm: the device is somewhat water resistant and pretty schock proof :P | 08:20 |
| Gh0sty | to my amazement and anger :/ | 08:20 |
| Gh0sty | anger about the fact already this happened in the first couple of weeks i have the device :( | 08:20 |
| RST38h | You should report this on CNN | 08:20 |
| RST38h | I am sure everybody in the world is dying to know. | 08:21 |
| Gh0sty | RST38h: i think i'm making normal conversation and you are again starting with a tone like ... i'm not wanted here ... I should shut up ... | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: special mood today ? :-) | 08:22 |
| jacekowski | maybe somebody can rip that 1.2 firmware off n900 | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: show me a device with 1.2! | 08:22 |
| jacekowski | HK n900 | 08:23 |
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| Chiku|dc | DocScrutinizer, Gh0sty got one | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhu?! | 08:23 |
| Gh0sty | ? | 08:23 |
| Gh0sty | no i dont | 08:23 |
| Chiku|dc | oh | 08:23 |
| Gh0sty | still got 1.1.1 | 08:23 |
| Chiku|dc | you didi say to bought hk n900 ? | 08:23 |
| Gh0sty | Chiku|dc: where are you from? :P | 08:23 |
| Chiku|dc | from france | 08:24 |
| Gh0sty | no i said i bought a UK one :P | 08:24 |
| Chiku|dc | oh | 08:24 |
| Chiku|dc | I though HK | 08:24 |
| Gh0sty | can i just continue 2 minutes in french so he understands RST38h ? | 08:24 |
| Gh0sty | or is that not allowed either? :p | 08:24 |
| jacekowski | most people will go to google translate as soon as you do | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: go ahead | 08:25 |
| jacekowski | and some will remind you that this is english speaking channel | 08:25 |
| jacekowski | at least that what happened to me | 08:25 |
| jacekowski | that's* | 08:25 |
| Gh0sty | Chiku|dc: je pense que tu comprends pas vraiment l'anglais, moi j'ai achete en angleterre | 08:25 |
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| trumee | nobody in HK seems to have bought any N900 | 08:25 |
| Chiku|dc | misreading about U and H because we talk about HK | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: he asked and I actually appreciate reading a few french words | 08:26 |
| Gh0sty | Chiku|dc: j'ai entendu d'un technicien nokia meme q'il y pas de version qui est blocque avec l'imei | 08:26 |
| trumee | Gh0sty: english pls :p | 08:26 |
| RST38h | DocS: No, just keeping statistics on the number of messages sent ot this channel | 08:26 |
| Chiku|dc | and who care about UK one? :p | 08:27 |
| jacekowski | i do | 08:27 |
| jacekowski | i have UK version and UK firmware | 08:27 |
| Gh0sty | Chiku|dc: et le version 1.2 de maemo n'est pas disponible pour le moment que je sais (mais je suis pas au courant de tout les versions du telephone) | 08:27 |
| Gh0sty | trumee: sorry just making a bit of a translation | 08:27 |
| Gh0sty | cause Chiku|dc did not quite understand everything | 08:27 |
| trumee | me too on a UK firmware | 08:28 |
| * microlith pulls down the Qt SDK at 2MB/s | 08:28 | |
| microlith | I love it when sites actually have bandwidth | 08:28 |
| Chiku|dc | news are all focus on HK one | 08:28 |
| jacekowski | i was sucking my SDK at 14-15M/s | 08:28 |
| jacekowski | ( maemo sdk ) | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | according to a friend it's possible to install the sdk on 64 bit also | 08:29 |
| trumee | no HK device photos yet? | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | trumee: it looks the same | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | only requires 32 bit libs and a kernel parameter ... | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | Gh0sty: it is | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | Gh0sty: and no requirement for kernel parameter | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | no? | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 08:29 |
| Chiku|dc | trumee, there are some videos too | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | well | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 08:29 |
| jacekowski | sysctl will do the trick | 08:29 |
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| Gh0sty | i tried on ubuntu 64 bit, did not want to install the scratchbox or how is it called | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | and i should have 32 bit libs afaik | 08:30 |
| jacekowski | it had some problems with installation | 08:30 |
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| trumee | does the SDK use MADDE? | 08:30 |
| microlith | the Maemo SDK does | 08:30 |
| jacekowski | but i have working sdk | 08:30 |
| microlith | well, if you use MADDE it does | 08:30 |
| jacekowski | on 64 bit debian | 08:30 |
| trumee | have 64 bit gentoo here | 08:31 |
| jacekowski | that's just waste of time | 08:31 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: waste of time? | 08:32 |
| jacekowski | yes | 08:32 |
| jacekowski | hours to install anything | 08:32 |
| jacekowski | and i have model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz | 08:32 |
| trumee | jacekowski: love gentoo. dont like rpm distros | 08:33 |
| jacekowski | and you get like 1% more performance because you tune your cflags and compile for your cpu | 08:33 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm using debian | 08:33 |
| trumee | jacekowski: and dont mind compiling | 08:33 |
| jacekowski | it's .deb based distro | 08:33 |
| trumee | jacekowski: never used debian | 08:33 |
| jacekowski | trumee: it's annoying when you can't install app straight away because you have to wait for it to compile | 08:33 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i dont install everyday :) | 08:34 |
| Gh0sty | they told me you need ia32-libs and a kernel parameter: vdso32=2 | 08:34 |
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| Gh0sty | not sure what the parameter does .. (looking up now) | 08:35 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: advantage is that it is easy to install bleeding edge apps. dont need for somebody else to provide compiled app. | 08:35 |
| trumee | jacekowski: i have given up on looking for packages. compiling from source is most reliable | 08:36 |
| jacekowski | countrary to popular belief - YOU CAN COMPILE ON DEBIAN | 08:36 |
| trumee | jacekowski: +1 for debian then | 08:36 |
| trumee | jacekowski: dont like suse/redhat coz of rpm hunting required | 08:37 |
| jlebar | I'm getting "mmap: Operation not permitted" errors when I try and install the SDK on my Ubuntu 10.04 box. Does anyone know how to go about fixing this (or even figuring out what the problem is)? | 08:37 |
| jacekowski | are you installing scratchbox as root? | 08:37 |
| jlebar | It looks like a few other people have had the same problem in here (e.g. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-04-24.log.html) but I haven't found a resolution in any of the logs. | 08:37 |
| jlebar | jacekowski, Not intentionally... :) | 08:38 |
| jacekowski | it's not going to work | 08:38 |
| jacekowski | you have to install scratchbox as root | 08:38 |
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| jacekowski | and then later on sdk as use | 08:38 |
| jacekowski | user* | 08:38 |
| jlebar | Okay...this error is happening when I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk-debug package for ARMEL in scratchbox. | 08:39 |
| jlebar | When I ran maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh, I'm pretty sure I ran *that* as root. | 08:39 |
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| jlebar | jacekowski, I also tried deleting the ARMEL target and rebuilding it...that didn't work either. | 08:42 |
| sulx | does anyone have link to alarmed package working with PR1.1? | 08:43 |
| jlebar | Oh...interesting. I think the error is happening because sudo isn't installed. |sudo echo '1'| gives the same "mmap: Operation not permitted" message | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sulx: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside... | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sulx: ?? | 09:12 |
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| Gh0sty | funny it's installing a half debian again with the sdk :P | 09:13 |
| Gh0sty | a load of packages look familiar :) | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jlebar: [2010-04-30 19:00:00] <MohammadAG> no sudo [2010-05-01 03:50:41] <MohammadAG_> Bug 9803 [2010-05-01 03:53:21] <MohammadAG_> mmap: Operation not permitted | 09:15 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9803 Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?) | 09:15 |
| RST38h | http://www.flickr.com/photos/greentroll2008/4563346361/sizes/o/in/set-72157623581964047/ | 09:17 |
| jlebar | DocScrutinizer, hm. I just nuked all of scratchbox, but I'll try messing with the group file if it doesn't work this time. Thanks! | 09:17 |
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| jlebar | DocScrutinizer, Well...there is indeed a problem with the groups. | 09:26 |
| sulx | DocScrutinizer: yea tried that but can't download that zip | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Nokia Qt SDK ruined my C:\ | 09:27 |
| RST38h | BEWARE | 09:27 |
| pwnguin | heh | 09:27 |
| pwnguin | ruined, or fixed? | 09:27 |
| RST38h | left a lot of garbage there, did not install anyway | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn, that took some time until I figured how a SDK can ruin C, and why you think you got your own version :\ | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Have you even got C:\? =) | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even got C++ | 09:31 |
| * pwnguin has a /mnt/windows/c/ | 09:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes, somesuch crap as well | 09:32 |
| Gh0sty | lol running windows on n900 ^^ | 09:33 |
| Gh0sty | no that would be too evil :p | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless has been done | 09:34 |
| Gh0sty | really? :p | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html | 09:34 |
| Gh0sty | virtual? or real | 09:34 |
| Gh0sty | there is no windows (anymore) for arm? :/ | 09:34 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes nt 4 :P | 09:35 |
| Gh0sty | some people ... :p | 09:37 |
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| Chiku|dc | the question is virtual or vnc | 09:39 |
| Gh0sty | bochs ... :) | 09:39 |
| Gh0sty | Bochs is a highly portable open source IA-32 (x86) PC emulator | 09:40 |
| Chiku|dc | some post seven on n900 sure vnc | 09:40 |
| Chiku|dc | or rdp | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | alrighty! my sdk is running :D | 09:42 |
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| RST38h | moo zap | 09:44 |
| Gh0sty | hmmm | 09:45 |
| Gh0sty | /bin/chown: changing ownership of `/home/user/.clockd.conf': Operation not permitted | 09:45 |
| Gh0sty | i should start scratchbox as root? :/ | 09:46 |
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| Gh0sty | hmm no that does not sound right | 09:46 |
| RST38h | sb2 -eR | 09:47 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm...the Qt SDK crashed | 09:49 |
| RST38h | The install app, I mean | 09:49 |
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| trumee | is it possible to change username of the user in N900? | 09:57 |
| trumee | dont like /home/user | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 10:03 |
| jlebar | |ln -s /home/user /home/trumee| :) | 10:03 |
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| trumee | jlebar: i will stay with user :) | 10:04 |
| trumee | i hate to use blue key for -. it is the most often key i use. | 10:05 |
| trumee | also i mix up the shift and blue keys | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | Ehehe, it does not build the default project it creates | 10:19 |
| RST38h | So much for ease of development | 10:19 |
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| rm_you | so, "Extra protocol plugins for Conversations and Contacts".... is this the package I want? and why does it require something not available? | 10:31 |
| rm_you | do i need to install it via apt-get on the console? | 10:31 |
| rm_you | bunch of stuff requires the "upstart-job" package | 10:32 |
| RST38h | That depends on what you want to do :) | 10:32 |
| rm_you | I want AIM support :P | 10:33 |
| rm_you | it's changed a lot since i installed it last | 10:33 |
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| rm_you | gah, installing one thing at a time is still killing me | 10:34 |
| rm_you | kinda want to write an app to try to fix THAT problem T_T | 10:35 |
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| rm_you | ah, it's a devel issue | 10:38 |
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| KamuiN900 | wow | 10:46 |
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| KamuiN900 | live wallpaper has improved | 10:46 |
| KamuiN900 | quite a bit | 10:46 |
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| rm_you | anyone know the name of the app that makes the camera button act as a fullscreen button unless held? | 10:52 |
| adeus | shortcutd? | 10:52 |
| rm_you | having to go through and completely reinstall everything after flash :P | 10:52 |
| rm_you | ah found it, camkeyd | 10:54 |
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| RST38h | "Indian government prohibited Indian telecoms to buy equipment from Huawei and ZTE citing national security reasons" | 10:55 |
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| DrGrov | Hello guys and Happy 1st of May if you celebrate this! =) | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Apparently, indians are afraid of chinese telecom hardware spying on their communications =) | 10:56 |
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| `0660 | what's the funny bit? :) | 10:58 |
| rm_you | i think they might have a right to be T_T | 10:59 |
| RST38h | the funny bit is how much of your traffic eventually goes through huawei's hw | 10:59 |
| RST38h | even if you are not an indian | 10:59 |
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| DrGrov | Perhaps somebody will kill me now but gott ask | 11:06 |
| DrGrov | PR 1.2 still released? | 11:06 |
| Tuukka | Hey | 11:06 |
| `0660 | they might not place backdoors to all the equipment | 11:06 |
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| trumee | is Nokia Messaging usage free for N900? or does it lapse after some trial period? | 11:07 |
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| DrGrov | I read about rumours saying PR 1.2 will be released within April? Just a rumour then? | 11:09 |
| Tuukka | Yesterday while changing my boot video using the terminal, my n900 got bricked and it consumed all rootfs memory. This morning i reflashed and everything started working right untill i tried again to change the boot video. THe exact same thing happened, possibly a bug? | 11:09 |
| rm_you | is fmtx-faker the app i need to make FM transmitter work during charging? | 11:09 |
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| Tuukka | i was copying the video to /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media but doing it makes the terminal go nuts and consume the rootfs... wth | 11:10 |
| RST38h | maybe your video is too large? | 11:11 |
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| Tuukka | What's the size limit? My vid wa only ~18sec so i doupt it be too large. | 11:12 |
| Tuukka | and the rez is 800x480 | 11:12 |
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| sECuRE | the size limit is how much free space you have left | 11:12 |
| Wolfie | http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/30/the-n900-with-pr-1-2-launches-in-hong-kong-with-an-awesome-promo-video/ if .hk gets pr1.2 already, probably we will soon | 11:13 |
| sECuRE | and the length/resolution of a video are only hints for the size, but it may still be several hundred MBs large if you don’t compress properly | 11:13 |
| Wolfie | ...or Nokia will just drop the ball, as usual | 11:13 |
| DrGrov | Wolfie: i god damn hope so | 11:14 |
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| Tuukka | uups that's the case... The vid was over 200 mbs | 11:14 |
| sECuRE | Tuukka: if you are playing with this anyways, could you delete the video and see if it still boots? | 11:14 |
| sECuRE | i also want to get rid of the video | 11:14 |
| Tuukka | sorry allready reflashed -.-' | 11:15 |
| FIQ | What | 11:15 |
| arachnist | sECuRE: i had the video deleted | 11:15 |
| Tuukka | So how do i compres the video? | 11:15 |
| korhojoa | what's the lowest battery voltage that you guys have seen? | 11:15 |
| FIQ | Hong Kong have PR1.2 before the rest of the world? :< | 11:15 |
| sECuRE | arachnist: and did it work? | 11:15 |
| arachnist | sECuRE: yes | 11:15 |
| sECuRE | arachnist: cool, thanks | 11:16 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Hoy, does anyone know if it's possible to capture from /dev/video1 within the debian chroot? | 11:56 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Tried using vgrabbj, but just ended up with a green rectangle, gst works in maemo though | 11:56 |
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| Tuukka | Anyone have experience with RAD Video Tools? | 11:59 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Aha, got it working | 12:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | diabolical picture quality though | 12:03 |
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| Tuukka | How much Free Rootfs do you guys have? | 12:15 |
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| MohammadAG | ubi0:rootfs 227.4M 171.9M 51.3M 77% / | 12:16 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Nothing more fun than a php exec when it fails silently | 12:17 |
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| valdyn | Gadgetoid_nc10: thats the front camera? | 12:21 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | valdyn, successfully grabbed from the front camera now, just trying to call the command on demand with a php exec | 12:29 |
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| Gadgetoid_nc10 | In the debian chroot environment I installed vgrabbj and used: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so vgrabbj -d /dev/video1 -f test.jpg | 12:30 |
| BusterB | Soo is everyone here daredevils and overclocked? Or is the general consensus to stay stock unless you're rich? | 12:30 |
| valdyn | BusterB: overclocking is pointless | 12:30 |
| BusterB | valdyn: I see...no major benefits? | 12:31 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | BusterB, I have the overclockable kernel installed, but have kept it at stock lately... overclocking makes the device run a bit smoother, but it's not worth the hassle | 12:31 |
| valdyn | BusterB: in my view the only time when the n900 is *really* slow is when its swapping | 12:31 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | The rest of the time it's just slow ;) | 12:31 |
| valdyn | BusterB: thats not remedied by overclocking | 12:31 |
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| BusterB | Oh I didn't realize that | 12:32 |
| BusterB | Just like my old computer lol. Sooo slow when swapping | 12:32 |
| BusterB | I was thinkin of doin it...but I don't think I will | 12:33 |
| valdyn | some more ram in it would do wonders, but I think thats not possible.. | 12:33 |
| valdyn | though I do use a low volatage kernel | 12:33 |
| BusterB | valdyn: Is there significant battery life improvement? | 12:34 |
| Tuukka | Does the battery last significately longer? | 12:34 |
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| valdyn | I cant tell, i do last through one day | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | I last through 1 day on stock | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 12:36 |
| valdyn | yea, thats why its probably pointless 99% of days | 12:36 |
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| valdyn | and it cant really fix that being online with the IM services like skype etc drains the battery badly | 12:37 |
| MohammadAG | those drain battery? | 12:37 |
| valdyn | being online via 3G does | 12:38 |
| valdyn | hence skype does | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | no idea, lasts me 6 hours on 3G | 12:38 |
| valdyn | exactly | 12:38 |
| Tuukka | i don't use 3g, I don't even have a data plan yet... ^^' | 12:39 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: then you probably shouldnt have any battery issues anyway | 12:39 |
| MohammadAG | got 5GBs, think they're enough for my needs | 12:39 |
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| Tuukka | yep my battery lasts 1-2 days | 12:39 |
| BusterB | Soo is a higher capacity battery that still fits stock casing just a dream? | 12:39 |
| valdyn | BusterB: pretty much | 12:40 |
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| valdyn | BusterB: or i dont see better batteries on the market anywhere | 12:40 |
| valdyn | ( not for any device I mean ) | 12:40 |
| Tuukka | How fast is your dataplan? 1Mb? | 12:40 |
| BusterB | =( oh well | 12:41 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | bah humbug | 12:42 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: 3.5G is 7.2mbps generally | 12:42 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: that nets 0.5MB or somesuch | 12:43 |
| Tuukka | valdyn: yeah but does your operator give you full speed? | 12:43 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: think so | 12:44 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: hard to tell | 12:44 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: as the typical benchmarks like speedtest.net are bullshit and my locations vary | 12:44 |
| valdyn | ( and the n900 does not show speed when dowloading in microb, so theres no casual speed check ) | 12:46 |
| Tuukka | At least here you need to pay more for faster connections. They allways have unlimited data | 12:46 |
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| valdyn | 200mb 3.5G, then throttled or 5G 3.5G, then throttled | 12:47 |
| valdyn | thats the 2 typical choices here | 12:47 |
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| Tuukka | What's the price range in your area? | 12:50 |
| korhojoa | hey, anyone use truphone on their n900? | 12:50 |
| BusterB | valdyn: so what speed test do you use? | 12:50 |
| valdyn | BusterB: big enough downloads with something like wget | 12:51 |
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| Tuukka | In here it's from 10e-35e dependig of the speed (384kb/s-5Mb/s) | 12:51 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: 10 euro for unlimited but throttled after few 100MB or 30-35 for 5GB on 3.5G | 12:52 |
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| valdyn | oh and 30-35 euro plans have free usage while you cant use the cheap plans outside a mobile phone ( like in laptops ) | 12:53 |
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| valdyn | ( i have no idea if they could even notice that im using my n900 as an access point though ) | 12:53 |
| Tuukka | ok, planning to get a dataplan but not sure which speed i should get. | 12:54 |
| valdyn | Tuukka: where? germany by incident? | 12:55 |
| Tuukka | valdyn: Nope, Finland | 12:55 |
| valdyn | ok | 12:55 |
| valdyn | 50€ all inclusive is cheapest i found here ( but thats only worth it if you actually do make a decent number of phone calls ) | 12:56 |
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| Termana | hey hey | 12:57 |
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| Tuukka | What speed is necessary for smooth surfing? IS 512kb/s enough? | 13:00 |
| adeus | yes | 13:00 |
| valdyn | no | 13:00 |
| `0660 | i'd say not | 13:00 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | Oh well, i gave up with using php exec to capture on demand | 13:01 |
| Gadgetoid_nc10 | And just stuck an entry into fcron to capture every minute | 13:01 |
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| adeus | i have the slowest possible | 13:01 |
| adeus | still good enough for me | 13:02 |
| Tuukka | Anyone using the N900 on a wpa secured wifi network? | 13:02 |
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| Tuukka | Maybe i should start with the slowest possible and pump up the speed if necessary | 13:03 |
| adeus | I think my 380k data costs 9.9 | 13:05 |
| adeus | something like a few euros more to double it | 13:05 |
| Tuukka | yep same prices here 9.9 -> 14.9 -> 19.9 | 13:06 |
| sECuRE | Tuukka: yes, using it with WPA | 13:06 |
| Tuukka | sECuRE: Have you noticed that it takes more time to start loading the site when using WPA instead of WEP? The loading bar just goes back and forth but doesn't start loading the page. | 13:08 |
| sECuRE | nope, i did not notice that | 13:08 |
| Tuukka | In MicroB to be spesific | 13:08 |
| sECuRE | it always takes a while, even on unencrypted networks | 13:08 |
| RST38h | Heh, they let Peter Watts go, although I doubt he will ever be able to enter US again =) | 13:09 |
| Tuukka | Sometimes mine freezes and won't starting to load the page till i hit enter for the second/third/... time | 13:09 |
| Tuukka | *start | 13:10 |
| RST38h | That's probably swapping | 13:10 |
| Tuukka | Anything i can do about it? | 13:10 |
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| * ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P | 13:16 | |
| frals | fuckin hell going to a wedding in 2 hrs... | 13:16 |
| frals | theme is... "middle ages" | 13:16 |
| Tuukka | Theme in weddings? lol | 13:17 |
| RST38h | your wedding? | 13:17 |
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| frals | RST38h: neverrrr! ;) | 13:17 |
| frals | Tuukka: madness i tell you, madness. | 13:17 |
| Tuukka | :D | 13:17 |
| RST38h | will there be carnage? | 13:17 |
| korhojoa | fMMS should get picture sms support | 13:17 |
| korhojoa | that would be awesome | 13:17 |
| frals | RST38h: one can hope! | 13:17 |
| frals | picture sms support? | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | black and white stuff | 13:18 |
| korhojoa | yes. | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | it was on old devices | 13:18 |
| ZogG | i can be stupid, let's say true - most of time i'm tupid | 13:18 |
| frals | you mean mms with an attached wbmp? | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | (last device i saw it on was the N-Gage QD) | 13:18 |
| ZogG | but still all these guys on forum making me crazy | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | frals, it's an sms | 13:18 |
| ZogG | are they are retarded? =) | 13:18 |
| Tuukka | My nokia 3310 had those :D | 13:18 |
| korhojoa | I still have friends who use the devices and you also get these with e-tickets here | 13:18 |
| ZogG | Tuukka you have 3310? | 13:18 |
| korhojoa | my 6130i also had it | 13:19 |
| ZogG | i want 3310 =) | 13:19 |
| frals | link me a spec for it please | 13:19 |
| korhojoa | i miss my 6150. that thing was a beast | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | I want snakes | 13:19 |
| ZogG | it was phone i wanted long time ago | 13:19 |
| RST38h | ZogG: They are not human. They are spam bots masquerading as humans | 13:19 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Steve Jobs Hints At Theora Lawsuit | 13:20 |
| ZogG | no i mean all the whinning and all threads with title HELP!!!!! | 13:20 |
| ZogG | damn | 13:20 |
| ZogG | common internet rules =) | 13:20 |
| ZogG | and all those who lost faith but have to say it to everyone | 13:20 |
| RST38h | 'a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora and other "open source" codecs now.' | 13:20 |
| korhojoa | frals: searching. | 13:20 |
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| ZogG | like nokia would read and say - no %username% you are so important - we will change our minds =) | 13:20 |
| * RST38h finds it unhealthy that someone should base his gadget usage patterns on faith | 13:21 | |
| Tuukka | ZogG: Yep still have it in my cupboard | 13:21 |
| ZogG | Steve is a bitch | 13:21 |
| ZogG | Tuukka how much? | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | frals, can't find anything, but it has nothing to do with mms afaik | 13:21 |
| Tuukka | Naah not selling it, besides it's battery is dead | 13:22 |
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| korhojoa | frals: found a IEEE document, trying to get it, but it's got some "you need to purchase blah blah blah" | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | frals, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Messaging#Picture_message | 13:23 |
| frals | ta | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | frals, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTA_bitmap | 13:24 |
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| Tuukka | I'll upload a pic of some of my old Nokias :D | 13:26 |
| Tuukka | wait a sec | 13:26 |
| ZogG | waiting | 13:27 |
| ZogG | highlight me plz | 13:27 |
| Tuukka | How do i do that in freenode webchat? :D | 13:28 |
| Tuukka | Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567205971/ | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, | 13:29 |
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| Tuukka | :D Maybe i should take the Nokia NHE-1XN back to usage, that be cool | 13:30 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG thnx | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, if you're on the N900 and you're wondering, it's "nick" cries for highlights and nick whispers for PM | 13:32 |
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| Treibholz | can I somehow split Podcasts and Music? I don't want to see the podcasts in the mediaplayer. | 13:32 |
| vasily_pupkin | hi | 13:33 |
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| vasily_pupkin | how can i start application when matchbox up? | 13:33 |
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| vasily_pupkin | i want to run gpg-agent session :] | 13:33 |
| Tuukka | In fact i have 2 of those nokia 6110 :D | 13:33 |
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| MohammadAG | apt downgraded :D | 13:33 |
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| Tuukka | Anyone else have old mobile phones? :D | 13:35 |
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| ZogG | me but not that old | 13:35 |
| ZogG | motorola razr | 13:36 |
| ZogG | somewhere | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | some monochrome one | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | 3210 I think | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | it looked like the 3310 but had a lighter blue | 13:36 |
| andre__ | I still use my N8210 from 2001 | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | got 2 N-Gage QDs | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | and a 6680 | 13:37 |
| Tuukka | Before my N900 i used Nokia 6101 from 2005 or something :D | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | had the 6610 and the N95 (best symbian device to date) | 13:37 |
| Treibholz | at my parents... there must be an old Bosch brick. Couldn't send SMS, just receive... | 13:37 |
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| MohammadAG | fennec's broken | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.2b5pre and 1.9.2.1. | 13:39 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG let's make maemo_point? | 13:40 |
| MohammadAG | huh | 13:40 |
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| Tuukka | One more pic of the nhe-1xn, http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567224801/ Notice the cool extendable antenna :D | 13:41 |
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| korhojoa | frals, http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Smart_Messaging | 13:42 |
| korhojoa | used to have a 2110, but i dropped it in the sea | 13:43 |
| ZogG | Tuukka, nice one =) | 13:43 |
| Tuukka | by the way all those phones are still wotking :D You'd just need to recharge the battery and insert a simcard | 13:43 |
| korhojoa | also had a n-gage qd, but it died when i tried to install doom. couldn't be re-flashed to work either. | 13:43 |
| ZogG | i thought of ipad and couln't find any reason why someone can buy it | 13:43 |
| ZogG | until i got to toilet and as all clever thoughts come there i got an idea | 13:44 |
| ZogG | it would suit perfect on the door in front of toilet =) | 13:44 |
| korhojoa | :D | 13:44 |
| korhojoa | really handy the glass screen too | 13:44 |
| korhojoa | just wipe it with isopropyl and it'll be fine | 13:44 |
| Tuukka | Wondering if using those old phones is safe. They might boil your brain with radio signals :D | 13:45 |
| ZogG | i would wipe it after i wipe myself | 13:45 |
| ZogG | Tuukka, didn't bother you before | 13:45 |
| ZogG | they have 5G right? | 13:45 |
| Tuukka | ZogG, gsm only, dunno | 13:46 |
| ZogG | no it's 5G tehwin | 13:47 |
| korhojoa | anyone got analog phones? | 13:47 |
| korhojoa | we had a few NMT phones, grandpa had one in his car | 13:47 |
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| Tuukka | I have a bigger battery for the nhe, it's over 3cm thick when using it :D | 13:48 |
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| Tuukka | http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuukka_lehtinen/4567238383/ Nhe-1xn vs. Touch 1g thicknes | 13:51 |
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| `0660 | Tuukka, do those two devices share any common functionalities? :) | 13:54 |
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| Tuukka | Umm they both have a contact list | 13:56 |
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| Tuukka | The nokia might even have better call quality than the iPhone :D | 13:59 |
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| Dassu | For jesus christ I hate Ifaggotery. Gotta tell it now to you guys | 13:59 |
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| Arkenoi | "even"? | 14:01 |
| `0660 | i thought that was ipod touch and not an iphone? | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | wth the is mmap | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG | I can't install the sdk :/ | 14:02 |
| Tuukka | `0660, Yeah but if it was an iPhone | 14:03 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#qemu ? | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, I've installed it before | 14:04 |
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| `0660 | Tuukka, oh but iphone is thicker than touch :) | 14:04 |
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| `0660 | still smaller than that other phone though :) | 14:05 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then | 14:05 |
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| andre__ | Tuukka: oh shit, N900 flickr upload still screws apostrophes in the photo title? sigh | 14:06 |
| Tuukka | andre__ seems like it :/ | 14:07 |
| * andre__ realizes the bug report is still open. grumble | 14:07 | |
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| * andre__ pings on the ticket | 14:09 | |
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| Tuukka | maybe i should register to bugzilla ... | 14:10 |
| Tuukka | andre__ what's the bug id? | 14:12 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8394 | 14:12 |
| povbot | Bug 8394: apostrophe (') in title gets translated to &pos; for Flickr | 14:12 |
| Tuukka | powbot, thanks | 14:13 |
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| `0660 | impressive, that bug has been there for months and unfixed. maemo/meego team really could use more resources. | 14:14 |
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| Tuukka | Should i vote for it? Newer used bugzilla before | 14:16 |
| andre__ | `0660, well, internally a fix is available. it's just not integrated and I wonder why. | 14:16 |
| andre__ | Tuukka, feel free to ("Vote for this bug" link) if you want to | 14:16 |
| andre__ | `0660, plus there's lots of unfixed issues and that's totally normal. everywhere, whether it's maemo or not. ressources are never unlimited. | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | andre__MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then | 14:18 |
| `0660 | maybe they will start feeling less limited if kallasvuo will get fired :) | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | doubt it, the install worked on the beta | 14:18 |
| DrGrov | hi MohammadAG | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | hey DrGrov | 14:18 |
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| MohammadAG | andre__, had to go through the logs, I got disconnected lol | 14:19 |
| andre__ | `0660, have you been involved in large software development before? it's simply reality, and not "limited". | 14:19 |
| redeeman | are any of you also having problems with recaller not actually doing autorecording? | 14:19 |
| `0660 | andre__, well, i guess it's a balance between developing new features and fixing bugs in old features | 14:21 |
| * Arkenoi have seen a lot of "large" software development projects where fixes were applied successfully within release cycle several times shorter | 14:21 | |
| andre__ | `0660, that's quite unrelated to each other actually :-P | 14:21 |
| andre__ | quite often different teams | 14:21 |
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| `0660 | in that case i admit, i have no idea why a bug this annoying has not been fixed, even though it seems like quite a trivial fix | 14:22 |
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| Arkenoi | and it is surely a good idea to split firmware to separate packages | 14:23 |
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| andre__ | `0660: because critical issues are more important than trivial issues? :-P | 14:25 |
| Arkenoi | the firmware release process is just unacceptable | 14:26 |
| `0660 | andre__, wouldn't it be quite critical from nokia's point of view, if n900 users "spread the word" of bugs with n900 by submitting photos to flicr? :) | 14:26 |
| Arkenoi | i doubt "critical" is appropriate word for nokia regarding *anything* of maemo | 14:28 |
| andre__ | `0660: technically critical. not marketing. | 14:28 |
| `0660 | in the other hand, i'm very excited about the fact that this specific fix has been done but not integrated, that could only mean that there is so much code being integrated at the moment to maemo, that fixes like this just cannot get in :) | 14:29 |
| Arkenoi | maybe it is slightly more important that 9k communicator series | 14:29 |
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| Arkenoi | which was almost unsupported at large | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | and i think almost no one was really expected to use it | 14:30 |
| Arkenoi | it was just an exhibit "see, we are hitech and futuristic guys" | 14:30 |
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| `0660 | 9k was really common in finland | 14:31 |
| `0660 | at some point everyone seemed to have one | 14:31 |
| Arkenoi | then i wonder why it was marketed so silly and the software features were that limited | 14:32 |
| `0660 | i just don't think nokia is putting enough eggs on the maemo/meego basket. in the other hand, what would i know :) | 14:32 |
| Arkenoi | actually i'v seen almost no 9000/9110/9210 on the streets | 14:33 |
| Arkenoi | even e90 was quite rare | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/30/the-n900-with-pr-1-2-launches-in-hong-kong-with-an-awesome-promo-video/ | 14:33 |
| `0660 | Arkenoi, is that in italy? | 14:33 |
| Arkenoi | though i think e90 did sell several times better | 14:34 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: persons who needed a qwerty and got used to one kept a E90 and still do | 14:34 |
| Arkenoi | 0660, Russia | 14:34 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: my cousin is an example. he had the 9110 and 9210 and then got himself the E90 which he still has | 14:34 |
| Arkenoi | DrGrov: i love e90 keyboard but i sold it almost immediately just to forget symbian legacy forever | 14:34 |
| `0660 | Arkenoi, i guess all the markets are different. i don't think you would find any in usa either :) | 14:35 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: oh, i see. | 14:35 |
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| DrGrov | i would never touch a phone with android nor windows mobile | 14:35 |
| `0660 | why no android? | 14:35 |
| Arkenoi | Android is quite nice. WM is hell, for sure | 14:36 |
| DrGrov | I don't like to have Google checking up on me what I do | 14:36 |
| DrGrov | Feels like a bit of a iPhone thing with Android... Control and control all over | 14:36 |
| `0660 | i'm a bit worried about the amount of stuff google knows too | 14:36 |
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| DrGrov | I would never ever use an Android device and feel comfortable with it | 14:37 |
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| DrGrov | I mean seriously... WTF do I need an account on Google to use Android Market? It is insane | 14:37 |
| Arkenoi | Well, i sync n900 with google anyways. Kind of anal slavery again, but it is handy ;-) | 14:37 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: you are putting your ass on the line there LOL | 14:37 |
| sECuRE | DrGrov: you need an account to use ovi store, too. where’s the difference? | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: you better move it out of the way before Google gets horny | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | sECuRE: the reason I got the N900 is because I don't need nor want to use Ovi Store | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | sECuRE: the difference is merely that Nokia I "can" trust more sincerely than Google | 14:38 |
| DrGrov | sECuRE: so if I want to use ovi store I would use it of course since i feel it is a bit more secure than android market | 14:39 |
| `0660 | the danger of google is their ability to combine data from their various services | 14:40 |
| Arkenoi | there are free and quite anarchic alternatives to android market, right? | 14:40 |
| DrGrov | `0660: yeah, it is. | 14:41 |
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| DrGrov | `0660: and i mean seriously... who the fuck gives their password to google in gmail to synchronize all contacts from any other email? :D | 14:41 |
| DrGrov | i wouldn't trust the fuckers on what they do with the information | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | http://twitpic.com/1jx37m/full 10.2010.12-9 | 14:42 |
| `0660 | who the fuck gives their email passwords to other service :) | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing it's going to be -8 for the rest of us, but who gives a crap :P | 14:42 |
| DrGrov | `0660 yeah. you are right | 14:43 |
| Arkenoi | BTW what always made me wonder about 9k series marketing is that it was positioned as manager's toy, though it was definitely too complicated for most of "business" guys, rather being a perfect tool for a filed engineer or just a geek | 14:43 |
| DrGrov | one of the reasons I don't use Facebook is because it will fuck people up | 14:43 |
| Arkenoi | put geeks were stuck with Palm because Palm was smart enough to market it as a geek toy | 14:43 |
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| `0660 | Arkenoi, i think it was more like a status symbol in finland | 14:44 |
| Arkenoi | status? | 14:44 |
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| Arkenoi | omfg, to show off with a cellphone is so 90's | 14:45 |
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| `0660 | well, you'd know someone had some sort of position in a company if they were provided with a 9k :) | 14:45 |
| Arkenoi | though well, it attracted girls attention much back in 1998 ;-) | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, nope, install fails | 14:46 |
| Arkenoi | actually it was so huge most people thinked it must be a satellite phone ;-) | 14:46 |
| DrGrov | bbl | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | mmap: Operation not permitted | 14:46 |
| `0660 | it was pretty sad when someone had actually bought one with their own money | 14:46 |
| andre__ | weird | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | Updating sudoers | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | mmap: Operation not permitted | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers | 14:47 |
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| Arkenoi | 0660: surely. actually i've seen several guys with 9k who ordered it just to show off (yes, for company's money mostly) and almost never even opened it | 14:48 |
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| Arkenoi | and i am afraid there were quite many of those | 14:49 |
| Arkenoi | and that's why software was so silly: no one cared | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=636180 | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG | \o DocScrutinizer | 14:51 |
| zokier | ive had similar install probelm too | 14:51 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, looks different from bug 9803 to me (mmap instead of awk?). can you please file a separate issue? | 14:52 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9803 Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?) | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, yeah already checked that bug yesterday (think I commented on it), I'll file a bug in a bit, just making sure it's not because of x64 | 14:53 |
| andre__ | ah, thanks | 14:54 |
| zokier | MohammadAG, i had "mmap: Operation not permitted" | 14:54 |
| zokier | too, on x86 | 14:54 |
| zokier | http://zokier.net/stuff/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.log | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | oh, so it's not that then... | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | zokier, which OS? | 14:55 |
| zokier | ubuntu lucid | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | it seems like all people have problem on lucid with that | 14:56 |
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| zokier | i believe that lucid has more strict security settings that breaks stuff, but thats just a guess | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | well, mmap shouldn't be broken by anything | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | except pax | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | the mmap error happens in scratchbox, OS independent | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | is there any information in dmesg | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | after that error | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | and running failing app on strace would help | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, sec, manually rerunning commands | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | Need to get 141MB of archives. | 14:58 |
| zokier | jacekowski, iirc nothing in dmesg, but i'm not sure (it was few days ago i did that installation) | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | running failing app on strace would be most helpfull | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I'll do it in a bit | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | zokier, Fetched 69.3MB in 29s (2373kB/s) <-- wtf | 15:00 |
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| zokier | huh? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: strange, I felt silly to suggest it | 15:01 |
| Anon806 | hi | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | zokier, it's still downloading here | 15:01 |
| Anon806 | ? | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | 45kbps, grrr | 15:01 |
| zokier | :P | 15:01 |
| zokier | 100Mbps internets is nice sometimes | 15:01 |
| Anon806 | guys? | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | hey Anon806 | 15:02 |
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| Anon806 | hi hows it goin | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | not fine, I lost my SDK by upgrading :) | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thought it's too obvious | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y | 15:02 |
| noobmonk3y | morrrrrrrrnin! | 15:03 |
| Anon806 | whats tht ? | 15:03 |
| Anon806 | were is everyone from? | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | far away | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Anon806: stop trolling | 15:03 |
| * noobmonk3y is from the land of trolls | 15:03 | |
| Anon806 | australia? | 15:03 |
| jacekowski | but we all wish we would be from HK because they already have 1.2 | 15:03 |
| * noobmonk3y trolls about all day doing troll'y things | 15:03 | |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski, as much as PR1.2 sounds good, i dont want to have to learn another language to have it ;) | 15:04 |
| Anon806 | r use aussie? | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm 1/2 aussie lol | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh ffs | 15:05 |
| Anon806 | what do u do on this chat.. im here to find out bout oz hip hop... | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | xchat crashed ubuntu lucid, AGAIN | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | Anon go and join #ozhiphop | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | again again?! | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: new ubuntu, new bugs | 15:05 |
| * noobmonk3y meh's | 15:05 | |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, 9.10 was better @ release :) | 15:05 |
| Anon806 | how do u make one up? | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: proof!!! where's the proof for HK having a real 1.2? | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, theres a pic floating around somewhere | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I have a feeling he's a bot... | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, http://tinyurl.com/3y827ml | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, it's on twitpic, posted it above | 15:06 |
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| Anon806 | huh | 15:07 |
| Anon806 | sdf | 15:08 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~slap katherine | 15:08 |
| * infobot slaps katherine, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 15:08 | |
| katherine | were from austrlia u from | 15:08 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | where does it say i'm from australia? | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot is from australia though ;) | 15:09 |
| katherine | wtf... why are u on this then | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | #maemo? | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:09 |
| katherine | its AUSTRALIAN HIP TOP | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | katherine, you are lost ;) | 15:09 |
| katherine | no u r | 15:10 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 15:10 |
| noobmonk3y | what #room are you in? | 15:10 |
| katherine | i dnt no.. first time on this | 15:10 |
| noobmonk3y | lol well you are in #maemo | 15:10 |
| noobmonk3y | ~maemo | 15:10 |
| infobot | methinks maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 15:10 |
| noobmonk3y | nothing to do with australia, hip hop or anything like that erally | 15:11 |
| katherine | have use even herd of drapht or hilltops then ? seriously | 15:11 |
| noobmonk3y | nope no idea what u r on about - anyway wrong room to discuss it | 15:12 |
| * noobmonk3y is off, back laters | 15:12 | |
| MohammadAG_ | cya | 15:12 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o MohammadAG_ | 15:12 | |
| katherine | wtf then use r freaks.. go on ur own coutry music chat room then | 15:12 |
| katherine | immigrants | 15:12 |
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| MohammadAG_ | that was one hell of a fail... * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh well, I tried | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | /kick katherine Stop trolling | 15:14 |
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| inkbottle | hi, i'm lookink for repos to add in my source.list | 15:27 |
| inkbottle | i'm also wondering if there is weeirc for maemo somewhere | 15:28 |
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| * ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P | 15:30 | |
| inkbottle | i think i'll come back with a biger computer later on for it's getting painful :) | 15:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | can any of the browsers on n900 support hardware accellerated moving video decode? | 15:36 |
| valdyn | SpeedEvil: no | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm wondering about a bastardised proxy to rewrite flash video. | 15:37 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, not until flash 10 is released | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | naah - rtmpdump based | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I have severe doubts flash 10 will do smooth fullscreen video | 15:42 |
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| dubzii | is there any download available that makes the volume buttons in my headset work for the media player? | 15:43 |
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| frals | fuck sake not even 3g in this church | 15:44 |
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| Termana | frals, do you live in a church or something? | 15:46 |
| Macer | omfg | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | there was one, PR1.1 broke it | 15:47 |
| Macer | how the hell is google valued at $500+/share? | 15:47 |
| Macer | that is retarded | 15:47 |
| valdyn | Macer: so short it | 15:48 |
| Macer | valdyn: yeah. it needs to pop anyways | 15:48 |
| * Macer goes to dig out some gold bars | 15:48 | |
| Macer | apple is around 260 | 15:48 |
| frals | Termana: at a wedding | 15:48 |
| frals | or well, its not begun yet | 15:48 |
| Macer | i'm sure they went down a bit when they said adobe flash was crap | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | frals, why do you need 3G at a wedding? :) | 15:49 |
| Macer | something like "flash isn't good enough for an iphone" | 15:49 |
| Macer | haha | 15:49 |
| frals | in a room with 60ppl pretending its the middle ages | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | (unless you're Qik'ing it) | 15:49 |
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| Macer | i thought microb plays flash videos | 15:49 |
| frals | MohammadAG: becuase my data gets suspended while i receive txts ;P | 15:50 |
| Macer | seems like it isn't playing cnn videos :) | 15:50 |
| Macer | then again. there is a new flash version every other day so i suppose that's normal | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, unpacking debs, if it fails how do I strace it? | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | frals, oh, I completely forgot about that crappy suspension | 15:51 |
| Termana | frals, while your talking to us don't say anything out loud to yourself. If you object to something we say, and you say "I object" out loud, well, very embarrassing :P | 15:51 |
| frals | i tend not to speak to myseld.. out loud :P | 15:52 |
| Termana | Oh, well I don't either, you know I was just making sure you didn't. *looks sideways* | 15:53 |
| Termana | :P lol | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, actually it failed lol | 15:53 |
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| b-man | Stskeeps: are you here? - i seem to be having some dsme/bme problems with your n900-support package | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, straced http://pastebin.com/gL8u0rCv | 16:07 |
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| lirakis | im trying to work through the hello world app using qt creator and i keep getting an error when trying to add a item to the menu bar. | 16:09 |
| lirakis | QMenu *menu = this->menuBar()->addMenu(tr("&File")); | 16:09 |
| lirakis | "invalid use of incomplete type struct menuBar" | 16:10 |
| lirakis | is what i am getting | 16:10 |
| lirakis | ive done some searching ... all ive seen is that ... possibly my app isnt inheriting properly ...? | 16:10 |
| lirakis | any one have a quick pointer on how to fix this? | 16:11 |
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| MohammadAG_ | meh | 16:25 |
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| MohammadAG_ | 10.04 isn't booting up | 16:25 |
| lirakis | qt creator with madde is so much easier than scratchbox | 16:25 |
| lirakis | MohammadAG, thats sucky | 16:25 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG_: 'buntu? | 16:25 |
| lirakis | this is your clean install? or upgrade? | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | clean install | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | init gets terminated | 16:26 |
| korhojoa | get debian | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG_ | korhojoa, yeah, I'm seriously considering switching to debian | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | ^ | 16:26 |
| korhojoa | go for it. | 16:27 |
| korhojoa | i switched to debian from gentoo a long time ago | 16:27 |
| korhojoa | never looked back, really | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | last time I tried it it didn't boot up the install | 16:27 |
| korhojoa | tried ubuntu, but it kept pissing me off | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | said something about missing cdrom module | 16:27 |
| korhojoa | just use netinstall | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG_ | korhojoa, what's that? | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | hey Termana, whats new | 16:43 |
| Termana | lcuk, nothing much my way, what about with you? | 16:44 |
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| zash | lcukn900: omg! how that happen? | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: MohammadAG_: this site doesn't say it's ONE-DOT-TWO. It explicitly says this *could* be 1.2 | 17:14 |
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| lcukn900 | zash i dunno | 17:15 |
| lcukn900 | noobmonk3y, omg i didnt think you were here. whats the imei code and why does it look like my sim number | 17:16 |
| lcukn900 | i thought it was hardware code | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, 10.2010 is 1.2 afaik | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcukn900, you're kidding right? ;) | 17:17 |
| Andy80 | at this point they could release 1.3 directly ;) | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, btw I didn't gather than info from the HK release :) | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh and I refer to it as one point two, kinda hate the word dot :P | 17:19 |
| Andy80 | btw, is anyone of you having problems installing Maemo SDK on Ubuntu Lucid? | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | o| | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: mixed IMEI with IMSI? | 17:24 |
| lcukn900 | e:notenoughcoffee | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 17:24 |
| lcukn900 | yes false alarm | 17:25 |
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| jacekowski | Andy80: apparently lot of people | 17:26 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: can you strace it again | 17:29 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: with different options | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | sure, I think.. | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: add -f | 17:30 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, apparently pastebin can;t handle 16000 lines | 17:33 |
| jacekowski | try wklej.org | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG | actually | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | firefox is crashing | 17:35 |
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| jacekowski | wstaw.org | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | and just post file with these lines | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | no | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | that's only for images | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | doesn't matter, firefox is crap in 10.04 | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | sec | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | scp it to me? | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | or ftp | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | or /dcc | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/strace.ext | 17:36 |
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| jacekowski | pid 11357] mmap2(0x8000, 32768, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 4, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | that means? | 17:39 |
| javispedro | noexec on the filesystem where 4 is? | 17:39 |
| javispedro | *fd 4 | 17:39 |
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| jacekowski | [pid 11357] open("/usr/bin/update-mime-database", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 4 | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | that's strange | 17:39 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, /query / PM | 17:40 |
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| jacekowski | i saw it | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG_ | err, k | 17:40 |
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| jacekowski | so now, according to linux programmer's manual | 17:42 |
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| * lcuk >> party | 17:42 | |
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| jacekowski | that's strange | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | it shouldn't fail | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | EPERM The prot argument asks for PROT_EXEC but the mapped area belongs to a file on a file system that was mounted no-exec. | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | but it does :) | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | /scratchbox is on a filesystem of its own, if that helps | 17:44 |
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| mikki-kun|N900 | exi | 17:50 |
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| mikki-kun | meh... sorry, was a typo | 17:50 |
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| korhojoa | MohammadAG: late reply, but netinstall is when you just boot the system from some media with enough stuff to connect to the network and install over that | 17:53 |
| korhojoa | for example, i use tftp and the internet | 17:53 |
| korhojoa | boots via the PXE rom on the computers and then loads the rest of the OS from the local debian mirror | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | korhojoa, yeah already downloaded the iso and burned it | 17:54 |
| korhojoa | ah, ok :D | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | but jacekowski's having a look | 17:54 |
| ZogG | mikki-kun, how old are you? | 17:55 |
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| korhojoa | anyone remember what the programming language was called that only used spaces and newlines? | 17:57 |
| sECuRE | whitespace | 17:57 |
| luke-jr | lol | 17:57 |
| korhojoa | there isn't a syntax highlighter for that on wklej.org | 17:58 |
| sECuRE | what fun would it be if you had a syntax highlighter, common… | 17:58 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: please read this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=636394&postcount=8 about the Maemo SDK problems with Ubuntu Lucid :) | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, inside scrachbox? | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | scratchbox* | 18:32 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: all those instruction OUTSIDE Scratchbox | 18:33 |
| Andy80 | it worked for me | 18:33 |
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| Andy80 | don't forget to start with a CLEAN install once you've fixed that line... resuming an interrupted Maemo SDK installation will fail anyway | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, testing | 18:34 |
| Andy80 | I got to go, let me know later :) | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, thanks, testing :) | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | ah, aim for cover! from the man who brought you pulseaudio, here comes the next initd replacement! | 18:47 |
| Robot101 | computer won't boot for half the people, but it'll be the fault of your bios... :P | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 18:48 |
| javispedro | Robot101: he's already blaming all those pesky 30-year old daemons! "they're badly written!" | 18:49 |
| javispedro | and he even cites steve jobs himself for that! | 18:50 |
| javispedro | *quotes | 18:50 |
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| zokier | dont we already have new and flashy initd replacement, Upstart | 18:51 |
| javispedro | outdated! like HAL -- outdated! | 18:51 |
| arachnist | zokier: there's a flashier one! | 18:51 |
| Treibholz | why do we need that? we don't need to boot faster, what we need is better suspend and more stability! | 18:51 |
| arachnist | zokier: systemd | 18:51 |
| javispedro | (well tbh I have always though upstart sucks) | 18:51 |
| arachnist | javispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, backwards | 18:52 |
| arachnist | s/back/but back/ | 18:52 |
| infobot | arachnist meant: javispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, but backwards | 18:52 |
| * javispedro is a die-hard initng user | 18:52 | |
| derf | You people are all crazy. You boot once, and then leave it running until the hardware fails. | 18:53 |
| arachnist | initng was nice, but systemd has some features initng isn't going to get (because it seems like its development stopped shortly after the original developer quit) | 18:54 |
| javispedro | arachnist: initng has a plugin system | 18:54 |
| javispedro | the only issue with initng is that I'm not sure I want such a beast as pid1 | 18:54 |
| arachnist | javispedro: i used to, back in the 0.2.x days | 18:55 |
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| arachnist | stopped using it, because it happened to segfault sometimes | 18:55 |
| javispedro | exactly. | 18:55 |
| javispedro | i am running it now, 0.6.10.2 | 18:55 |
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| * RST38h grins and asks if initng is localized | 18:56 | |
| javispedro | localiwhat? | 18:56 |
| javispedro | :D | 18:57 |
| RST38h | localized, you know | 18:57 |
| RST38h | someone claimed here recently that localization is *very* important =) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | localized init, like old redhat's! | 18:57 |
| N0vember | is anyone here familiar with gpsjinni? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lttle | 18:57 |
| N0vember | ive got the problem that ive been unable to export a logged track from the n900. cant find the file | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea. I suggest to look in ~user/MyDocs/.documents/* | 18:59 |
| N0vember | isnt there | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strace | 19:00 |
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| Andy80 | MohammadAG: I'm back. Did it work? | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Andy80, if I say I'm still downloading, would you believe me? XD | 19:09 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: yes, don't worry :) | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG | wohooo! worked! | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, mind if I add this to the wiki script? | 19:10 |
| Andy80 | by the way... I think that at least the graphical installer could be fixed to automatically apply that line for users that have ubuntu lucid. | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | echo "vm.mmap_min_addr = 0" >> /etc/sysctl.conf | 19:11 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: do it without any problem :) | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | sysctl -p | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | in the script | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, thanks! | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, if this is added to the Ubuntu 9.10 file, would something bad happen? | 19:11 |
| * gevaerts thinks that this should come with a warning to the effect that the default setting is there for a reason | 19:11 | |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: adding to the wiki is a nice thing but we should also open a bug, so Nokia can add that line to the original script too. | 19:12 |
| Andy80 | MohammadAG: no idea about using that on Ubuntu 9.10 :\ | 19:12 |
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| gevaerts | MohammadAG: setting that to 0 makes some sorts of kernel vulnerabilities easier to exploit | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, they'll rip the script in a month or so :P | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, I'm adding it to the automated script and uploading it somewhere, no one should notice anything | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | gevaerts, so.. Ubuntu 10.04 shouldn't install the SDK? | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | ~MaemoSDK | 19:13 |
| infobot | from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 19:13 |
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| gevaerts | MohammadAG: it doesn't make sense to go that far. That setting only brings things back to the old situation. I do think the documentation should mention this though | 19:15 |
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| Andy80 | gevaerts, MohammadAG: without that line, ubuntu lucid user cannot install Maemo SDK. Maybe we can change that line back once the SDK is installed? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | gevaerts, so adding it to the script isn't recommended? | 19:15 |
| gevaerts | Andy80: does it work without that setting after installation? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, is it possible? | 19:15 |
| Andy80 | gevaerts: I didn't test it yet | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | thanks for rephrasing my sentence gevaerts :P | 19:16 |
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| Andy80 | within few days I've to make some examples, tests running on Scratchbox, for a presentation, so I'll have to test it someway | 19:17 |
| gevaerts | MohammadAG: that's a hard question to answer. I wouldn't like installation scripts to change that sort of settings on my systems, I'd prefer them to just tell me that they're needed. I suspect I'm not in the majority though | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | Andy80, hmm, it could be added as a paramterer | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | no idea how | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | like -V to set it to 0 | 19:17 |
| Andy80 | btw... is something related to qemu not being compatible without that... so we should try to investigate in that way :P | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG | gevaerts, as I said, it could be added a parameter | 19:19 |
| gevaerts | http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr says that qemu needs it | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u $USER -V <-- example | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, how the hell can that be added lol | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hoory for buntkuh-virus in disguise of a meamo-sourcecode ;-P | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray even | 19:21 |
| gevaerts | Maybe always just set the thing and document it on the wiki? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to document how to exploit it XP | 19:22 |
| gevaerts | Or update qemu apparently | 19:22 |
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| Andy80 | gevaerts, DocScrutinizer: does that line expose the machine to a remote attack too? | 19:25 |
| javispedro | disabling vdso is much more stupid on a 32 bit machine is much more stupid. | 19:25 |
| gevaerts | Andy80: as far as I understand it, it doesn't expose the machine to any attack *directly*, but it makes some null-pointer dereferences in the kernel easier to exploit | 19:26 |
| javispedro | since disabling vdso -> performance hit | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Andy80: aiui no | 19:26 |
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| Andy80 | DocScrutinizer: aiui? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf aiui | 19:27 |
| infobot | AIUI: as I understand it | 19:27 |
| Andy80 | :D | 19:27 |
| gevaerts | ~wtf wtf | 19:27 |
| infobot | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck | 19:27 |
| Andy80 | DocScrutinizer: I can uniderstand "wtf" ;) I play to WoW sometimes :D | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | echo "foo" >> something adds foo to the end of a file right? | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | and > replaces the whole file | 19:29 |
| gevaerts | yes | 19:29 |
| Andy80 | short solution: I'll keep that line for the moment. I need to use my time to prepare slides and examples. When the presentation will be over I'll just start using a virtual machine to develop with Maemo SDK :) | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: depends. On noclobber it won't replace the file, and throw error instead | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | lol k | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | If the redirection operator is >, and the noclobber option to the set builtin has been enabled, the redirection | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | will fail if the file whose name results from the expansion of word exists and is a regular file | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | but >> adds to EOF | 19:32 |
| mikki-kun | uhm, is irssi from the repos striped? | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on noclobber X-P | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops, seems I'm wrong here | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought it throws error if noclobber and file doesn't exist | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | uhm, i think i found a glitch in the media player used together with CuteExplorer | 19:36 |
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| mikki-kun | will do a lil bit more testing... where would i report that then if it is one? | 19:37 |
| BCMM | can anybody recommend a nice screen protector that fits an n900? | 19:37 |
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| BCMM | i've just installed one, and it registers touch perfectly, but is much more frictiony than the screen | 19:38 |
| BCMM | so that its difficult to do things that involved dragging like changing desktops | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: maybe you find a niche between the zillion tickets for mediaplayer in bugtracker | 19:38 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | so if there are already that many i won't add mine there :D | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | well, i was just able to play an flv-file with the media player :D | 19:40 |
| * gevaerts wants rockbox to run properly on his n900 | 19:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's a flaw ;-P | 19:40 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh uhm... wtf? that is an mpeg4?! | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Andy80: http://www.google.de/search?q=vm.mmap_min_addr+vulnerability | 19:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: how - it won't index them for me | 19:49 |
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| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: hu? what do you mean? | 19:49 |
| BCMM | gevaerts: Does it currently run badly, or not at all? | 19:49 |
| gevaerts | BCMM: badly | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA I like that guys humor http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/fulldisc/full-disclosure/69537 | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: I put some rtmpdumped streams that mplayer will play in ~/MyDocs/.video/ - and they are not indexed - so I can't play | 19:50 |
| BCMM | gevaerts: is it an alternative OS, or is there a userspace version? | 19:50 |
| gevaerts | BCMM: we have a simulator that uses sdl | 19:51 |
| mikki-kun | i used "CuteExplorer" for that | 19:51 |
| BCMM | gevaerts: is that specially for the n900, or is it what one uses on the desktop to develop rockbox? | 19:51 |
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| mikki-kun | started the file manager "Cute Explorer", went to my dir and then double"clicked" the file i wanted to get played | 19:52 |
| gevaerts | BCMM: it's the one that runs on the desktop. We have a project now to transform that to be more suitable for mobile devices, but it's just getting started | 19:52 |
| mikki-kun | sadly the file i tried wasn't a flashvideo, it was a ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 | 19:52 |
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| gevaerts | On my n900 it uses about 65% CPU, which is just too mugh | 19:52 |
| BCMM | gevaerts: that would be pretty cool | 19:53 |
| gevaerts | it also means I get audio dropouts every now and then | 19:53 |
| gevaerts | BCMM: it should be :) | 19:53 |
| BCMM | gevaerts: hmm, does the default media player use hardware acceleration for audio? would rockbox have a battery life disadvantage due to that? | 19:53 |
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| gevaerts | I don't know if it does. If so, it probably only uses it for some codecs | 19:54 |
| gevaerts | We can play mp3 with 40MHz or so on ARM, so there's just no reason to use that much CPU in the simulator | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 19:54 |
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| ShadowJK | What simulator | 19:54 |
| gevaerts | ShadowJK: rockbox | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | the default media player plays audio using the cpu | 19:55 |
| gevaerts | good to know | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HOLA ShadowJK | 19:55 |
| ShadowJK | hai | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635097#post635097 | 19:57 |
| ShadowJK | i saw :) | 19:58 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/cbus/tahvo-usb.c#493 | 19:59 |
| javispedro | this is the older nits one | 20:00 |
| javispedro | compare with gaia one | 20:00 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/otg/twl4030-usb.c#678 | 20:00 |
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| javispedro | gaia driver doesn't seem to interact with the hardware at all after switching to host mode, maybe it's waiting for reset or expects hw to switch modes for him? | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart GAN900 | 20:05 |
| * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags GAN900 into court suing for $200 million | 20:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you lured me into suffering deep depression from straying into tmo HK-pr1.2 thread ;-P | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: egoshin says the twl4030-musb doesn't have *any* code for hostmode - aiui | 20:08 |
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| javispedro | all the code seems to assume otg mode | 20:08 |
| javispedro | only. | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and that's btw exactly what I'd suspect Nokia did to put an end to trouble with USB.org consortium | 20:09 |
| javispedro | gaia is also used by beagleboard | 20:09 |
| javispedro | iiirc -- let me check | 20:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, how the hell did I do that? | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there are two big mystries: why Nokia used 1707 instead of GAIA PHY (silicon bug?) - and why Nokia decided to use micro-B instead of correct micro-AB | 20:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I recall a posted email saying that GAIA can't do charger detection | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: by posting to the thread ;-) | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: So charging from dead may have been tricky | 20:12 |
| * ShadowJK thought software would have to actually work with OTG for device to have Micro-AB | 20:12 | |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, so you're saying I should stick to posting useful things to useful threads, eh? ;) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: this might be a valid point | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~SpeedEvil++ | 20:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is the 1707 reworkable? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe also ESD reasons? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | If the USB phy dies - it's easier to replace the 1707 than gaia | 20:14 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's why the used micro-B and disabled parts of the driver probably | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you know if failed motherboards are reworked or scrapped? | 20:14 |
| Khertan | people are becoming angry everywhere about this pr1.2 ... | 20:14 |
| Khertan | ouch | 20:14 |
| Khertan | http://www.maemofrance.fr/2010/05/nokia-n900-vous-sentez-vous-floue-par-nokia/ | 20:15 |
| MiXu- | Angry? Why? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: PHY death is economic total loss of board | 20:15 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if we will get html5 in any browser til the end of the year | 20:15 | |
| javispedro | hm | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | no matter 1707 or gaia | 20:16 |
| javispedro | the beagle has two ports -- ehci and otg | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I suspect so. I do wonder what a board costs nokia | 20:16 |
| javispedro | dunno where each one is connected, anyone knows? | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~80 | 20:16 |
| infobot | [80] the default port for HTTP | 20:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, they just need to freaking release the damn thing already. | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yayaya | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | beagleboard schematics should be available | 20:16 |
| javispedro | I'm also reading the echi one is disabled due to phy bugs | 20:16 |
| javispedro | *ehci | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe less | 20:16 |
| Khertan | MiXu-, waiting ... maybe ... no informations ... don't know | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: All of the errata docs I've read don't seem to be killer issues for ehci | 20:17 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, hum ... maybe they have a good reason | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: eeek | 20:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Likely depends heavily on perspective. ;) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: pointer? | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro: I think ehci one works on the newsest beagleboard. iirc it went through being not connected due to errata, and connected but unstable due to more errata | 20:18 |
| javispedro | http://code.google.com/p/beagleboard/issues/detail?id=7&can=1 | 20:18 |
| javispedro | different PHY chip, though (SMSC) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, probably one of the reference guide PDF files.. | 20:18 |
| Khertan | i waiting it for a mfe bug fixes and on device pyside dev ... but ... i think many people waiting this release will be disapointed | 20:19 |
| Khertan | it s just a bugs fix release | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | I think most mfe bugs are "bugs" in the spec | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | like support for google mfe | 20:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if you can unload friggin musb-hdrc and modprobe a sane driver | 20:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | err unbind? | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | na, builtin | 20:20 |
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| Khertan | ShadowJK, yep ... but the problems with mfe and google ... is mainly due to the strange implementations made by google | 20:21 |
| javispedro | so it seems beagle uses twl4030 phy for otg port | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /sys/class/usbmon/usbmon1/device/usb_host\:usb_host1/device/vbus # o.O .o0(???) | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's what I seem to remember as well | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: SpeedEvil's explanation makes perfect sense though | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | esp regarding recent move of EU to mandatory charging-over.USB | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-usb/2010/3/22/6259541 nokian at work | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't see why simply detecting 5V, and charging at 100mA till vbat >n wouldn't work thoguh | 20:25 |
| frankS2 | nice | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Plus a fast boot/shutdown mode in bootloader | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: wooohoooo | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but probably you want to detect D-short in normal operation as well | 20:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - true | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | if GAIA doesn't know how to do that and signal it via bitflag at least, then we're out of luck with fastcharging via dumb wallwart | 20:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, are u around? | 20:28 |
| mirsal | hey :) | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | you'd need at least some hardware hacks with gpio | 20:28 |
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| RST38h | Any Qt experts here? | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is the above patch mentioned directly to do with host? It seems mostly charger related - or maybe I'm confused | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: USB2.0 is a BITCH. You cam't simply hook on some additional comparators etc | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ABS MAX parasitary C = 10p IIRC | 20:30 |
| Ikarus | DocScrutinizer: see privmsg | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | perhaps this is moving some of the bitbanging of stuff out into the kernel from bme | 20:30 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: yes -- just pointed that patch because it has a bunchload of lines removed from twl3040 | 20:30 |
| javispedro | but twl3040 usb is also used in beagleboard, pandora, ... so not much interesting. | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I was assuming large resistors | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, probably there's some silicon bug in twl4030. At least the version available while N900 was under development | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the only reasonable explanation why Nokia decided to opt for 1707 | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, yeah | 20:32 |
| javispedro | http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/a60f1eb301ac86aa | 20:34 |
| javispedro | so on the beagleboard echo host > ../mode works, and it's exercising --mostly-- the same code. | 20:34 |
| opdf2 | what is the a catch to android 2.2 and flash 10.1? | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | fantastic, instead of b_idle I'm now in UNDEFINED mode. | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: heh, that's at least some change of state at all :-D | 20:38 |
| javispedro | yes but the root hub disappeared from lsusb :( | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05 | 20:40 |
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| javispedro | source for i2cset? | 20:40 |
| javispedro | (or package..) | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, got it from ShadowJK | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, ? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq | 20:40 |
| javispedro | ah I see | 20:40 |
| ShadowJK | i2cutils is the source package | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:41 |
| javispedro | UNDEFINED mode appears when you have a) no gadget modules b ) host or otg mode | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, is it in devel? | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | (if not I'm bored, might pack it) | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | no | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | not that I know of atleast | 20:42 |
| * ShadowJK has -devel and -testing disabled | 20:42 | |
| MohammadAG | package coming up :D | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | lol http://sourceforge.net/projects/i2c-utils/files/ empty | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, WHAT? :P | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I hope not. And never will. That one is *really* dangerous and should appear in tools AT BEST | 20:43 |
| * ShadowJK nods | 20:43 | |
| gevaerts | Is there a way to stop pulseaudio? | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hidden | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is it that dangerous? | 20:44 |
| javispedro | i'm pretty sure it can be dangerous | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you can kill - not brick - your device | 20:44 |
| javispedro | what would happen if I were to run that with a ) dumb charger b ) pc host ? :) | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | screw it then | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: by poking at the right power supply registers | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, kill as in can't be fixed? | 20:45 |
| Khertan | kill as component burn | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:45 |
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| MohammadAG | bummer | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | is there something more dangerous than -devel? :P | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | applying 3V to a device with absolute maximum of 1.8 for example | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nothing bad will happen | 20:48 |
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| Khertan | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/galaxy-s-pro-keyboard.jpg | 20:49 |
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| Khertan | oups ... sorry wrong windows for the copy paste | 20:50 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, hey sweety ) | 20:50 |
| ZogG_N900 | have u managed to use n900 as modem? | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | lol wtf | 20:51 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seriously | 20:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why is it that everybody thinks the Council thread is for troubleshooting? | 20:51 |
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| ZogG_N900 | hmmm | 20:52 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, because there are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role | 20:52 |
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| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, because they are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan, except or the fact that there's at least one post on the last 4 pages explaining that it's not for troubleshooting. | 20:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | stuck with no internet at work with fresh ubuntu that can't play amtroska | 20:52 |
| ZogG_N900 | damn | 20:52 |
| Khertan | GeneralAntilles, lol didn't you ever see user reading manual, licences, warning, previous posts, doing a search before posting ? | 20:53 |
| javispedro | do we have isp1707 datasheet? | 20:54 |
| * javispedro grabs a generic ulpi-speaking usb phy datasheet and hopes it's similar enough | 20:55 | |
| Khertan | google ... first result : https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_isp1707 | 20:56 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:56 |
| Khertan | funny | 20:56 |
| Khertan | :) | 20:56 |
| Khertan | but no datasheet | 20:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | trying to share over bluetooth and getting diskonnected | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, JoikuSpot only | 20:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | what is that? | 20:57 |
| ZogG_N900 | i need to get internet on laptop to get some package for ubuntu | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | "However - this is a challenging rework job, even for those experienced with SMD soldering, and of course will void the warranty!" | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | what? | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | it's commenting on a trivial *software* mod | 20:59 |
| ZogG_N900 | getting mobilespot | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr | and in any case, maintainance cannot void a warranty unless it can be shown to do actual damage | 20:59 |
| Khertan | ZogG, mobilespot depends on a custom made kernel ... | 20:59 |
| Khertan | and didn't work for me anyway | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | There is 'wifihotspot' in repos | 21:00 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: no, it's on the above section on connecting the ID pin to ground instead of 3.3 volt | 21:00 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: which doesn't do access point mode | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, it is. | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Ikarus: I know | 21:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ikarus: Look at the history, and you will find that was some time ago | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr | Ikarus: it should be put by it, then | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | Ikarus: in any case, the rest implies it's irrelevant | 21:01 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: it's not certain if it's irrelevant or not | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I need to fix the page - probably tonight | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | much of the stuff needs rewritten in the face of events | 21:02 |
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| ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, which repo | 21:04 |
| ZogG_N900 | didn't find it | 21:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | devel or testing | 21:05 |
| ZogG_N900 | damn | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 'mobile hotspot' | 21:05 |
| ZogG_N900 | extradev is down | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I have however not had this working | 21:06 |
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| ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, it was said that it doesn't work with efault kernel | 21:06 |
| ZogG_N900 | only custom | 21:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure | 21:07 |
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| ZogG_N900 | gansterN900 | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - I missed that | 21:07 |
| ZogG_N900 | didn't work anyway | 21:07 |
| ZogG_N900 | tried it | 21:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish it was simply possible to keep the wifi i/f up when bringing up 3g - and use ssh to proxy | 21:08 |
| javispedro | so it seems it uses STS_HW_CONDITIONS register, STS_BUS_ID bit to check for ID level | 21:08 |
| javispedro | (of gaia) | 21:08 |
| javispedro | *STS_USB_ID | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, you need to flash a custom kernel | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | which is done ota | 21:09 |
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| Ikarus | hrm, anyone remember where those leaked schematics are ? | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | Ikarus, wiki | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | ~schematics | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic | 21:10 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | schematics is <-- that's just wrong XD | 21:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | ahhhh | 21:10 |
| ZogG_N900 | so any ubuntu users here? | 21:11 |
| ZogG_N900 | i know how to make it in gentoo | 21:11 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: wait, that's on the official wiki??? | 21:12 |
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| luke-jr | is it a leak or a publication? | 21:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | but where and how to get package manually to install it on laptop after | 21:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | need mkv support for mplayer | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, and? I'm hosting it on ucoz, they can take it down if they want | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, SpeedEvil added the entry | 21:12 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: "documented intended for use by authorized Nokia service centers only" | 21:12 |
| ZogG_N900 | hahaha | 21:13 |
| ZogG_N900 | i host pr1.3 at my box anyone is interested? ) | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: would I get in trouble for modifying it and having a custom one built? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: go ahead and tell me :) | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | as far as we know, the schematic was a leak. | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | so maemo.org is officially linking leaks? | 21:14 |
| javispedro | the schematic is also old, since it says the microusb has an id pin? | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I regrettably am not employed by nokia in any capacity | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It's a wiki | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | unmoderated? | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | wow | 21:14 |
| luke-jr | but Nokia runs it, no? ;) | 21:15 |
| lpotter | regrettably? | 21:15 |
| * luke-jr ponders if there's a legal case to saying they published it... | 21:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it. | 21:15 |
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| * luke-jr ponders if Fab@Home is capable of N900-type tech | 21:15 | |
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| javispedro | luke-jr: if you're going to make an exact clone why don't buy one? | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: you missed the "modifying it"? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | then I'd assume it's not that valuable | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | ? | 21:16 |
| javispedro | cause the beagle board, igep, etc. schematics are out there too | 21:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Making your own n900 would cost at least $3000 or so. | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: even with Nokia's schematics? | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming you can get the parts. And you - in many cases - can't | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: those will help yes | 21:17 |
| luke-jr | and fab-on-demand? | 21:17 |
| Macer | i keep US Governmenting my n900 | 21:17 |
| Macer | charge it for 10 minutes and expect 20 from it :) | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: but a 8 layer PCB of the size involved will cost perhaps $200 in ones. | 21:17 |
| Macer | i think i just need to leave it there and let it charge until it turns green | 21:18 |
| Macer | it lasted a very long time fully charged :) | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And then you have to fit $200 or so components to it. And then you find there is a stupid error in the board layout - and it won't boot | 21:18 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil, size didn't matter when you put a larger screen :) | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: repeat a dozen or so times until you get it working. | 21:18 |
| javispedro | Macer: definitely :) | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: ? | 21:18 |
| Khertan | bigger screen :) | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: err - what? | 21:19 |
| Macer | i was looking at the meego and mer projects. seems that mer is dead and moving over to the meego group | 21:19 |
| Khertan | if you can made a clone ... why not improving it a bit :) | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it. | 21:19 |
| Macer | and meego isn't even anything realistic at all :) | 21:19 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I think I recall hearing of a CAD testing thing? | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't X_Fade run it? | 21:19 |
| Macer | i just hope maemo 6 runs on my n900 when it comes out | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | altered - so as not to ping him | 21:19 |
| Macer | haha | 21:19 |
| Macer | i curse the day nokia abandoned my n810 :) | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | I hate MeeGo/Maemo 6 | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I hate RPM | 21:20 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: er. maemo 6 and meego are the same things? | 21:20 |
| Macer | :) i thought maemo and meego were different | 21:20 |
| Macer | i just hope nokia doesn't swap over to intel mobile processors for their phones | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes - there are automated PCB testers. This does't help as much as you might expect for several reasons. They rarely test at RF - tehre can be problems with high-speed signals. And the biggest problem is they test the PCB against the design - if the design is wrong - you're screwed. | 21:20 |
| Macer | it will make me as sad as when apple left ppc cpus | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, I think Maemo 6 is the base for MeeGo | 21:21 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; you shouldn't install rpm with --nodeps | 21:21 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: hrm. i don't know if that's a good or bad thing | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | Trizt, I've never used RPM, which is why I hate it | 21:21 |
| Macer | either way if it runs on my n900 then i'll be happy | 21:21 |
| Macer | as long as it doesn't suck :) | 21:21 |
| Macer | maemo5 was a nice step up from maemo 4 | 21:21 |
| Khertan | Macer, it s not possible currently to use intel cpu as phone ... imagine a powerfull phone with 10 min of battery power | 21:21 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | it's a bad thing for me | 21:21 |
| Macer | Khertan: i thought intel was working on a cpu for mobiles | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, maemo 5 didn't change the whole package system | 21:22 |
| Khertan | </troll> | 21:22 |
| Macer | heh | 21:22 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; okey, that can be a reason to hate it, wait until you used it, you will see it's benefits | 21:22 |
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| Macer | MohammadAG: heh. why? is meego going to use rpms or something? :) | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a mobile device with an intel processor that gets 20h battery life on 4AA cells. | 21:22 |
| Khertan | Trizt, hum use it on moblin on my netbook ... see any benifits | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Trizt, I prefer Debian | 21:22 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: which one? | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - it is a 386ex - and it's a Garmin GPS-12 | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | therefore, I'll pass | 21:22 |
| Macer | haha | 21:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, err, yes | 21:22 |
| Macer | ex? :) | 21:23 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; I prefer portage but I don't except to see that, so I have to settle with deb o rpm | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I mean emualting the CAD before fabbing it | 21:23 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: seriously? i was joking | 21:23 |
| Macer | heh | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: That doesn't help. | 21:23 |
| Khertan | http://n8makemyapp.com/ <<--- Sections Better World <--- suggestion 6 :) | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: you can't meaningfully simulate complex circuits in their entirety. | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it's switching to RPM | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | and maybe webkit for the browser | 21:24 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: meh. as long as it works | 21:24 |
| Macer | :) | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | that's what you say | 21:24 |
| Macer | i might as well consider my n810 dead tho | 21:24 |
| Macer | mer is dead i believe | 21:24 |
| Macer | there's always gentoo but that sucks | 21:24 |
| Macer | i might just run debian on it and use it as a shell server | 21:24 |
| Macer | :) | 21:24 |
| Khertan | my n810 as start is new carrier as a powerfull hifi stations :) | 21:24 |
| * MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and points 3 lines up | 21:24 | |
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| Macer | MohammadAG: heh | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: it's easy to ensure the PCB matches the design. Working out that the design is sane is _hard_. There are very few mixed-mode simulators, and none that can - say - see if your new system will boot by simulating the circuit. | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: Mer is dead. MeeGo killed it. | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, mer isn't dead | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | #mer | 21:25 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: that's not what i heard in #mer | 21:25 |
| Macer | mer is stale until they decide on how to handle the meego announcement | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, how? | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, I never went there :P | 21:25 |
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| luke-jr | MohammadAG: MeeGo purports to do everything Mer wanted to | 21:25 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: so mer is most likely going to jump onto the meego bandwagon :) | 21:26 |
| Macer | meego does have a nicer looking web site than mer tho so that's a plus | 21:26 |
| Macer | heh | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | "Just to let you know their is a possibility that Flash 10.1 is coming to Maemo 5 in June. This is not a rumour or gossip it was officially mentioned by Kevin Lynch, Adobe's chief technology officer...while he he was responding to the latest nonsense from Steve Jobs. " | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | boo | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | I'll stick to M5 | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | of all the screwups Apple did with the iPhone, Flash-free is one of their best moves | 21:27 |
| Khertan | luke-jr, by forcing video plateform to use a format with patent ? | 21:28 |
| Khertan | not sure it was the best move | 21:28 |
| javispedro | then sue theora! | 21:28 |
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| luke-jr | Khertan: Flash is both patented *and* copyrighted | 21:28 |
| Khertan | luke-jr, yep | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | it's the worst of all options | 21:29 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: haha | 21:29 |
| Macer | didn't he say flash wasn't good enough for an iphone or something? | 21:29 |
| Macer | :) | 21:29 |
| Khertan | luke-jr, but one step forward ... one step behind | 21:29 |
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| Khertan | luke-jr, but one step forward ... one step backward | 21:29 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:29 |
| Macer | i think the android people are even more funny. like the android market comments for every single video player are like ... "y doesn't it play flash videos???" | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash was a few moments ago eating 190% of my CPU | 21:29 |
| Macer | hahaha | 21:29 |
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| Trizt | Macer; wasn't it that the iPhone wasn't good enough to run flash ;) | 21:30 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: yeah.. flash does suck but still... too many web sites use it | 21:30 |
| opdf2 | anyone syncing their n900 with google services? working well? | 21:30 |
| Khertan | opdf2, not at all | 21:30 |
| Macer | you can sync with google services? and here i was syncing with skype | 21:30 |
| Macer | :) | 21:30 |
| Khertan | opdf2, sync doesn't work well ... doesn't work, for calendar, contacts | 21:31 |
| Macer | i was happy the phone was able to yank all my skype contacts.. that was awesome | 21:31 |
| opdf2 | Khertan: oh really, i was gonna give it a shot | 21:31 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: the fsf has a "copyleft" implementation which they seem to think as free of patents: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ | 21:31 |
| Khertan | and mfe work with gmail except sending email | 21:31 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:31 |
| shamus | flash is evil at times | 21:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | i did it | 21:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | it was problem in mplayer config afterall | 21:32 |
| shamus | but it;s the lesse of the eviles when compaired with silverlight ugh | 21:32 |
| Khertan | javispedro, did you try it ? as last time it wasn't working really | 21:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | gnight for everyone for now | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: it still sucks :) | 21:32 |
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| * javispedro thinks all those stupid flash vs whatever discussions are bollocks since we're usually just moving the blame from one group to another project | 21:33 | |
| Macer | shamus: yeah. silverlight sucks | 21:33 |
| shamus | wonder how meny more years we can squese out of the n8x0 | 21:33 |
| Khertan | javispedro, :) | 21:33 |
| Macer | what do they call the non windows alternative? | 21:33 |
| Macer | moonlight or something? | 21:33 |
| Trizt | moonlight from novell | 21:34 |
| shamus | html5 is very powerfull but the question is is the n900/n800/n810 up to it | 21:34 |
| Trizt | something that feels really wrong is that HTC pays M$ license fees for each android phone they sell | 21:35 |
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| opdf2 | Khertan: how bout using NuevaSync? | 21:36 |
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| Macer | hm. chicago has wimax now | 21:37 |
| Macer | and i have a normal n810 | 21:37 |
| Macer | go figure | 21:37 |
| Macer | i wouldn't have mind using it over wimax.. although it probably wouldn't do much nowadays | 21:37 |
| Macer | with its h263 video :) | 21:37 |
| shamus | yah everting is goign hd these days realuy puttign the hammer to the older underpowred devices | 21:38 |
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| FIQ | is it just me or does busybox not use any colors except normal text and background, at all? | 21:47 |
| FIQ | for example, ls doesn't have any colors | 21:47 |
| FIQ | (--color=always did nothing, it complained about wrong syntax) | 21:48 |
| RST38h | mc runs in color | 21:48 |
| sECuRE | yep, that’s due to busybox | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | coreutils ftw | 21:49 |
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| Khertan | opdf2, don't know never use ... didn't trust them | 21:56 |
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| FIQ | hm | 22:12 |
| FIQ | usermod doesn't exists for Maemo? | 22:12 |
| FIQ | i try to change default shell | 22:12 |
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| satmd | vipw? | 22:15 |
| satmd | or directly - carefully - edit /etc/passwd | 22:15 |
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| lardman|home | hey chaps | 22:20 |
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| RST38h | ehlo lardman | 22:22 |
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| w00t_ | satmd: or chsh :P | 22:24 |
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| b-man | hmm, ubuntu seems to hang while booting on my N900 while in R&D mode, at least it doesn't reboot :P | 22:26 |
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| Nils^_ | hey people. I want to download the ubuntu image here with wget but the php download script is strange and does not want wget do download it. Any mirrors known? | 22:30 |
| Nils^_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 22:30 |
| lcuk | who added the pr1.2 askers will get kicked message to the title? | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | hi lardman|home | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, someone who hates overclocking, depply | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | deeply* | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | whats a decent drinking game to play? | 22:33 |
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| b-man | lcuk: i think DocScrutinizer added that bit to the channel title xD | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | we should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs | 22:35 |
| lcuk | or changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D | 22:36 |
| lardman|home | hi RST38h, lcuk | 22:36 |
| * derf codes up some bugs for lcuk. | 22:36 | |
| lcuk | hey lardman|home | 22:36 |
| lardman|home | sorry for the delay, was form-filling | 22:36 |
| lardman|home | fun! | 22:36 |
| b-man | derf: lol | 22:36 |
| lcuk | thats ok, i was just thinking of you | 22:36 |
| lcuk | im just gonna watch doctor who and i need a drinking game to go along with it | 22:36 |
| lardman|home | hey derf | 22:36 |
| * javispedro is in the "how could this ever work" stage | 22:36 | |
| derf | Hi lardman|home. | 22:36 |
| lcuk | derf, i'd rather you tried to cure something thats reasonable and open for you to fix! | 22:37 |
| javispedro | why are they using the isp1704 with the twl4030 driver? :P | 22:37 |
| lcuk | adding new bugs is something for pr1.3 or something :p | 22:37 |
| lardman|home | I can safely say that Ovi app mgr on Symbian is worse than what we have, so be thankful | 22:37 |
| derf | Well, if I wrote code right now, I would just be adding bugs. | 22:37 |
| derf | I've been up 33 hours straight, doing strenuous physical things. | 22:38 |
| * b-man !!!HATES!!! the hardware watchdog on the N900 | 22:38 | |
| * lardman|home hates Britain's got talent | 22:38 | |
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| lardman|home | but each to their own ;) | 22:39 |
| lardman|home | and don't tell my wife | 22:39 |
| lcuk | lol | 22:40 |
| b-man | i wasted 4 hours today trying to get Ubuntu working on my N900 - if it wasn't for the watchdog i'd have a working setup in 15 minutes :( | 22:40 |
| lcuk | b-man, the watchdog is there for your comfort and enjoyment | 22:40 |
| b-man | no, it's there for my suffering and torture xD | 22:41 |
| derf | Those are the same thing. | 22:41 |
| * lcuk cracks open a beer | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | who wants one | 22:42 |
| lardman|home | very OT but I was shocked to see that 24 is still ~£50 in store for series one, I should have watched it when it was on TV | 22:42 |
| * b-man grabs a root beer | 22:42 | |
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| lardman|home | lcuk: got wine on the go, best to not mix ;) | 22:42 |
| lcuk | good idea | 22:42 |
| b-man | i wonder... | 22:44 |
| b-man | ~beer | 22:44 |
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| b-man | LOL | 22:44 |
| lardman|home | lol | 22:44 |
| b-man | i guess infobot doesn't like beer xD | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | <lcuk> we should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> or changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D | 22:45 |
| * MohammadAG bans everyone on tmo | 22:45 | |
| MohammadAG | can I have 1.2 now? | 22:45 |
| * b-man gives you 2.1 | 22:45 | |
| b-man | *1.2 | 22:45 |
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| lardman|home | speaking of which, what's going on with pr1.2, I thought it was pretty much ready a couple of months ago? | 22:46 |
| * MohammadAG flashes | 22:46 | |
| * lardman|home hides behind the Mac | 22:46 | |
| MohammadAG | lardman|home, topic :) | 22:46 |
| b-man | rofl | 22:46 |
| * MohammadAG slices through the apple | 22:46 | |
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| lardman|home | MohammadAG: I was thinking of the garment | 22:46 |
| * lardman|home prepares to be kicked ;) | 22:46 | |
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| * b-man tries another attempt at getting ubuntu working | 22:47 | |
| MohammadAG | b-man, it works well | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | when you get out all the bugs | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | xchat is crap on it | 22:48 |
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| b-man | haha | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | b-man, wtf | 22:49 |
| b-man | if only Stskeeps was here - he is good at getting the watchdog working | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | I got a terminal window | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | that's not 1.2 | 22:49 |
| b-man | lol | 22:50 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, qgil said, code complete, solidifcation testing | 22:50 |
| * MohammadAG shoots the dog | 22:50 | |
| b-man | MohammadAG: :D | 22:50 |
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| lardman|home | lcuk: ok, fair enough | 22:51 |
| * MohammadAG hits b-man with an iPad | 22:51 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, hrw needs to be offered a cloak. | 22:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can somebody poke him about that if they see him online? | 22:51 |
| lardman|home | hey GeneralAntilles | 22:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo, lardman|home. | 22:52 |
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| FIQ | why doesn't bash read the .bashrc file? | 22:53 |
| b-man | where is it located and what user are you running it as? | 22:53 |
| FIQ | i run as /home/user | 22:53 |
| FIQ | it's located in ~/.bashrc | 22:53 |
| FIQ | er | 22:54 |
| FIQ | s/\/home\/user/user/ | 22:54 |
| b-man | hmm | 22:54 |
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| b-man | are you root? | 22:54 |
| FIQ | not per default | 22:54 |
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| b-man | that's odd | 22:55 |
| b-man | does /etc/bash_profile exist? | 22:56 |
| FIQ | no | 22:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | FIQ: you have to put stuff in .profile | 22:56 |
| Shapeshifter | FIQ: or are you really talking about bash then busybox/ash rather? | 22:56 |
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| FIQ | yeah, bash | 22:57 |
| FIQ | not busybox/sh | 22:57 |
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| wazd | hello people | 23:00 |
| * b-man gives in and re-debootstraps ubuntu | 23:00 | |
| b-man | hey wazd | 23:00 |
| wazd | b-man: wow! Heya! Long time no see :) | 23:00 |
| dAnIeLLL | hello guys, some brazilian here? | 23:00 |
| wazd | b-man: how are things? :) | 23:00 |
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| b-man | wazd: things are ok - trying to get ubuntu on my N900 :) | 23:01 |
| wazd | b-man: you're sick as always :P | 23:01 |
| b-man | wazd: i like a challenge :) | 23:02 |
| crazyhorss | why Ubuntu? | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I want slackware | 23:02 |
| crazyhorss | hehe | 23:03 |
| b-man | wazd: btw, i'm on every day - i'm just not active that much xD | 23:03 |
| wazd | b-man: awesome :) | 23:03 |
| wazd | b-man: I'm playing with n900 too, installing everything in sight :D | 23:04 |
| b-man | wazd: did you try chromium? :) | 23:05 |
| wazd | b-man: not yet, I'm on letter "B" now :D | 23:05 |
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| b-man | wazd: letter "B"? | 23:06 |
| wazd | b-man: in application manager :) | 23:06 |
| b-man | oh lol | 23:06 |
| wazd | b-man: and I think that microb is damn awesome anyway :) | 23:06 |
| b-man | indeed - one of the best mobile browsers out there :) | 23:07 |
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| mord | b-man: ubuntu on n900? | 23:11 |
| b-man | yup | 23:12 |
| mord | b-man: done, see https://mdeb.nomovok.info/trac/wiki/N900DevelopmentImage ;) | 23:12 |
| melfar | anybody published an app in ovi store? how hard is it, is there an approval process? it's a free app | 23:12 |
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| wazd | melfar: it's impossible :D | 23:13 |
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| wazd | oh, btw, am I the only that has ovi authorisation shutdown? | 23:13 |
| b-man | mord: i can't believe i wasted 4 hours when i could have just looked at that wiki *headdesks* | 23:13 |
| melfar | I saw somebody else was able to :D | 23:13 |
| melfar | so until now it's only extras repo for the rest of us? | 23:14 |
| melfar | until=for | 23:14 |
| wazd | melfar: kinda | 23:15 |
| mord | b-man: i think i experienced sth like that when toying with n810 :) | 23:15 |
| wazd | b-man: installing chromium right now | 23:15 |
| b-man | wazd: ;) | 23:15 |
| wazd | media player kinda suck btw | 23:16 |
| wazd | I thought it has portrait mode too as a phone | 23:16 |
| b-man | yeah | 23:16 |
| wazd | cause it's really tricky to hold $1k device on a go in landscape mode to switch the song | 23:16 |
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| wazd | If anyone can help me with making an awesome media player - you're welocme :) | 23:17 |
| wazd | my UI - your code :) | 23:17 |
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| b-man | i kinda wish they designed the plastic strip that goes along the keyboard a bit better - it wants to spring up all the time :( | 23:18 |
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| wazd | chromium crashed :) | 23:19 |
| b-man | lol | 23:19 |
| wazd | let's try again) | 23:19 |
| b-man | what did you try loading? - it didn't crash for me xDD | 23:20 |
| wazd | b-man: I just opened it for the first damn time) | 23:20 |
| b-man | perhaps it tryed going into it's setup wizard | 23:20 |
| wazd | maybe | 23:20 |
| wazd | ok, it's chrome on a phone. Now that's jawdroping :D | 23:21 |
| wazd | seriously :) | 23:21 |
| FIQ | i've no problems with chromium | 23:21 |
| b-man | sometimes it will ask you if you want it as the default browser - that usually does it | 23:21 |
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| b-man | so i disabled that prompt :) | 23:22 |
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| b-man | and now i use it to view html5 content xD | 23:22 |
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| wazd | can't reach scrollbars :D | 23:28 |
| melfar | by the way, I tried the 800 mhz kernel the other day and didn't spot any difference in performance actually. I thought it would be a more drammatic change | 23:28 |
| wazd | melfar: both ways n900 is blazingly fast? :) | 23:29 |
| melfar | I wouldn't go as far as that :D | 23:29 |
| wazd | b-man: btw, maybe you know how t use greasemonkey for microb? :) | 23:30 |
| wazd | hoho | 23:31 |
| b-man | wazd: nope, haven't used it | 23:31 |
| wazd | actual sensing area is a bit larger than the screen itself :) | 23:31 |
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| opdf2 | Anyone try Erminig-NG? Is it working well? | 23:34 |
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| b-man | mord: they seem to be using a lot of ugly hacks on that wiki :( | 23:36 |
| b-man | such as deleting /sbin/init and replacing it with a bash script | 23:36 |
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| mord | b-man: yea well that's just "this is how i first got it to work" i think. i think there's work based on that around somewhere that's a bit more sophisticated, i'll need to ask locusf about that | 23:45 |
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| * mece looks around... | 23:52 | |
| mece | Echo! | 23:52 |
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| mece | ...echo ...cho ...ho... o... ... | 23:52 |
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| dAnIeLLL | oO | 23:53 |
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