IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-05-01

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javispedronice stuff DocScrutinizer. considering the musb_hdrc actually worked do you still think it's borked somehow?00:06
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SpeedEvilThere is a long way between 'it does something', and 'my USB cheeseboard works'.00:09
javispedroyeah, but in this case, "doing something" means it has not a #if NOKIA_N900 bork();00:10
javispedrofrom now on we're discussing "proper" bugs in musb_hdrc00:10
javispedro(or hidden bme/dsme behaviours)00:10
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javispedro*evil behaviors, for the matter.00:11
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SpeedEvilIs the above utilised boost supply cap a dedicated boost cap?00:15
SpeedEvilThat is - are components there for no purpose other than USB host00:16
javispedro<uninformed>I gather not.</uninformed>.00:16
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pablo2Hi, Is it possible send message dbus to Flash Camera in n900 !?00:24
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b-manhmm, it looks like there is a nokia update for firefox00:26
opdf2how do u add a plus sign to a phone number in the phonebook? it wont let me00:26
opdf2like +1800123456700:27
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n900-dkopdf2: Use the plus sign :)00:28
b-manhmmm... firefox won't launch after the update :P00:29
opdf2nm i had to add it in a skype field. the phone number field only lets me enter 10 characteres00:29
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opdf2okay nm that didnt work either00:31
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opdf2grrr okay i could add it now...i must be tired00:32
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n900-dkit sure is late :)00:34
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vltRhi all, does any1 know how to find qt4-core for n900? is needed for many apps but cant find it ; (00:45
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pupnik~ $ apt-cache search qt4 |grep core00:48
pupniklibqt4-core - Qt 4 core module00:48
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DocScrutinizerit's always late *somewhere*01:13
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: no, they components are dual-use of bq24150 usb bat charger01:16
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Andy80is anyone of you using Maemo 5 SDK with ubuntu lucid? I cannot complete the installation :\01:16
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: well, we see musb-hdrc is *somewhere* to *some extent* working inside kernel (aka compiled in, not a module) apparently.01:17
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DocScrutinizerto me it seems (sorry if that's maybe total BS) like OMAP has 2 usb ports, and the 1:1 is NOT the one that goes to the micro-B receptacle. (Again, that's a completely unchecked idea based on feeling). Anyway musb_hdrc doesn't respond to 'echo host >mode' ( line 2010), or to be precise I don't see any reaction on doing that.01:20
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DocScrutinizerOTOH I'd really like to know which process e.g rises that notorious "mass-storage or PC-Suite mode?" requester01:22
javispedroprocess should be easy to know, but most probably it is notified by d-bus via ke-recv01:22
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DocScrutinizerconsidering a -SIGSTOP BME both keeps VBUS alive and kills the watchdog, I really start to fear for our chances to edit in there01:23
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DocScrutinizerregarding that requester kept bme from killing VBUS01:24
MohammadAG_screw the watchdog01:24
DocScrutinizerNB! the requester kept VBUS alive for infinite time01:25
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javispedroor do what titan usually does -- patch the kernel so that it ignores bme01:25
javispedrobme requests directed to certain /proc or /sys entries01:26
javispedro(though I would be more happy changing bme itself instead...)01:26
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SpeedEvilI also want a 'charge battery to 4050V mode01:27
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MohammadAG_open a bug to open up bme's source?01:27
SpeedEvil(for battery longevity)01:27
javispedrooh, believe me, that bug is opened since day 001:27
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: now that's feckng easy, when's your birthday?01:27
* DocScrutinizer ponders idly about specific setup to strace bme01:28
SpeedEvil4050 would be nice when eestor produce product.01:29
javispedro~curse blog spam01:29
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, blog spam !01:29
* DocScrutinizer also ponders >>echo -e "#!/bin/sh\ntrue" >/sbin/bme_RX-51 && chmod a+x /sbin/bme_RX-51<<01:30
javispedroreboot loop01:31
javispedrowell, maybe with r&d mode..01:31
b-man :)))01:31
DocScrutinizerreflash goop01:31
* javispedro is missing a microB<-> A cable01:31
javispedro_female_ A, or male B.01:32
SpeedEvilIs the watchdog dsmetool?01:32
SpeedEvilor is it kernelside?01:32
javispedronaa -- dsme is mostly open.01:32
SpeedEviljavispedro: Two cables, soldering iron01:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: F-A2F-A adapter ftw01:32
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, you can kill it with dsmetool, that would however cause I reboot01:33
MohammadAG_so I doubt it's the watchdog01:33
javispedroDocScrutinizer: thanks for the idea * looks into drawer *01:33
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: standard linux kernel watchdog device01:34
DocScrutinizermy uneducated guess01:34
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51`01:35
javispedroNote that R&D mode disables the watchdogs, if that's what you're trying to do now.01:35
javispedro(watchdogs because AFAIU the n8x0 had more than one, dunno about the n900)01:35
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: yes, that's next point on my master plan for world dominion01:35
MohammadAG_javispedro, it does01:36
MohammadAG_  no-omap-wd01:36
MohammadAG_  no-ext-wd01:36
MohammadAG_  no-lifeguard-reset01:36
MohammadAG_assuming it's the last one we need to disable, since that watches the applications01:36
MohammadAG_/daemons etc..01:36
DocScrutinizerI'll stick with waiting for a high-spirited mood to scrutinize bme's strace01:37
DocScrutinizermq_timedreceive(6, "\2\0\0\0\1\0\31\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 256, 0, {0, 0}) = 1201:38
DocScrutinizertimer_settime(0x17, 0, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}, {it_interval={0, 0}, it_value={0, 0}}) = 001:38
DocScrutinizerioctl(3, 0x6000, 0xbef74970)            = 001:38
DocScrutinizerread(11, "\322\2\0\0", 4)               = 401:38
DocScrutinizerwritev(11, [{"\20\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\4\5\0\0", 12}, {"\322\2\0\0", 4}], 2) = 1601:38
javispedrothe lifeguard reset can be disabled with software, no need for bme01:38
javispedrothe problematic ones with bme and the gang should be the hw ones01:38
SpeedEvilyeah - teaching strace ioctls would be a good 0th step01:38
javispedroDocScrutinizer: also monitor files opened for a start =)01:39
DocScrutinizerbtw, as it hits my mind: what's that strange crap with system on my N900 (from Nokia repair) has frequent ping timeouts (->xchat rejoins) and doesn't pop up lockscreen anymore on pressing powerbutton?? :-O01:40
DocScrutinizerNOKIA FOCKED M<Y PHONE WITH VIRUS!!1!!!01:40
javispedrotrip back to nokia care?01:40
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, ROFL
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, read it xD01:41
javispedrowhen I got mine back the case wasn't correctly closed at all. it was making pressure against two keys that were unusable.01:41
javispedroI had to send it back..01:41
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, same problem, same fix XD01:41
DocScrutinizerthough a bit scary actually01:42
* javispedro fins male to male A cable01:42
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, why? lol01:43
DocScrutinizerget a F-F01:43
javispedrodammit, it also has "broken" tag01:43
javispedroi wonder if it is because the guy who put it wasn't able to use it,01:43
javispedroor because it's really broken.01:43
DocScrutinizermale2male *is* broken by design01:43
DocScrutinizerwatch the URL.jpg - the grey ugly thing in the center01:44
DocScrutinizerthat's the *real* thing01:44
DocScrutinizerevery shit and its accessory comes with a xy->maleA cable01:45
javispedroI guess.01:45
DocScrutinizerge a female-A-2-female-A adapter and connect two arbitrary of those cables01:46
DocScrutinizerit's like with ethernet patchcables01:46
* javispedro has a little idea with the male2male and two female2male A cables01:47
DocScrutinizerthere's a rj45 plug on every of them01:47
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I'm just trying to do it now (it's 0:00) ;)01:47
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javispedroI know have a completely useless 20m long male2male cable.01:50
* DocScrutinizer wonders if that's topology rather han geometry01:50
DocScrutinizerlol - I really managed not to dpoil it :-P01:51
javispedroindeed :P01:51
DocScrutinizerseen the 20m m2m before my virtual eye 5min ago01:52
DocScrutinizerdon't worry, I easily figured as I was sitting at home with similar cable some 18 months ago ;-P01:53
DocScrutinizerbut me has 5++ "universal usb adapter kit" bullshit, from Taiwan01:54
Mace_N900know what. the on screen keyboard isnt too bad01:54
DocScrutinizerfine XD01:54
javispedroI also got yelled at for making noise :)01:55
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DocScrutinizerit's not unbearably good either01:55
SpeedEvilI'm surprised at how fast I've gotten with the hw kb01:55
DocScrutinizerthe joy of being solitaire01:55
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gnadarhi, i need some help with setuping up the scratchbox01:56
Mace_N900speed. i found getting used to the hw kb was a pain from a g101:56
gnadari have installed the scratchpad on ubuntu01:56
gnadarbut i see that the python is 2.3, i want to upgrade to higher version01:56
* SpeedEvil prefers the joy of being minesweeper.01:56
gnadarhow can I do that?01:56
DocScrutinizerI'm in deep love with my new qwerty01:56
SpeedEvilMace_N900: Having your laptop break, and your n900 be your only computer for a week helps.01:56
gnadarapt-get install python installs 2.5 but invoking with python does not really invoke the new version01:57
Mace_N900the g1 wasnt that good of a phone. but damn it had a good hw kb01:57
Mace_N900speed. i need to find my su8w01:57
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Mace_N900im going to look for it now01:57
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SpeedEvilI need to try to get my bt keyb working again01:57
Mace_N900either that or get a new bt kb01:58
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: hell, my laptop AND my N900 broke same time. N810 saved my life01:58
Mace_N900they dont work in m5?01:58
Mace_N900my su8w worked good on my n800 and n81001:59
DocScrutinizergnadar: afaik python installs concurrent versions. maybe you need to specify FQN01:59
Mace_N900ok.. onscreen was becoming a pain heh01:59
Mace_N900it comes in handy for short stuff tho01:59
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Mace_N900let me start charging this phone and look for my su8w02:00
Mace_N900it has to be around here somewhere02:00
gnadarif you mean fully qualified name, then that does not work, coz i need to compile another component using python sdk02:00
DocScrutinizer~wtf fqn02:00
infobotGee...  I don't know what fqn means...02:00
DocScrutinizerFully qualified name02:01
gnadarDocScrutinizer, is there a way to specific current active python?02:01
gnadarDocScrutinizer,  got that02:01
DocScrutinizertry "which python"02:01
DocScrutinizerprobably there's a link from /usr/bin/python to /opt/python2.3/python - or similar02:02
DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l `which python`02:03
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            9 Apr 23 19:52 /usr/bin/python -> python2.502:03
javispedronaa SDK is a bit different from device02:03
javispedrojust try python2.502:03
gnadarit is something like this /scratchbox/tools/bin/python02:03
javispedrosbox will magically eat any exec to "python" and use 2.302:03
javispedrobut won't eat execs to "python2.5"02:04
DocScrutinizerwhatever, I got NOOOOOO idea about such crap ;-P02:04
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gnadar-rwxr-xr-x  2 root root 978728 Aug 24  2009 python02:04
gnadarnot a link02:04
javispedrognadar: ignore the filesystem; sbox does it.02:04
javispedroif you still want to use "python" as interpreter name,02:04
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javispedroexport SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python02:04
* DocScrutinizer seems to remember that's what "#! /bin/env python" was for02:05
javispedrothen it won't ignore the filesystem (and if this is a fremantle target, already contains 2.5)02:05
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gnadarok let me try that02:05
javispedroit's some sbox stuff that tries to be a bit too intelligent.02:05
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gnadaryeah how do i get around that?!?02:06
javispedrowhat you want to do, exactly?02:06
javispedrolaunch python 2.5 interpreter? just type "python2.5"02:07
gnadari will tell the whole problem02:07
gnadari want to run mercurial (hg) in the sbox02:07
gnadarhg wants 2.4 and higher version of python02:07
gnadarbut it finds 2.3 and does not compile and install02:07
SpeedEvilalias python=python2.5?02:08
gnadarSpeedEvil, will give that a shot02:08
SpeedEvilThat may not be the correct syntax - I'm tired.02:08
javispedroor else just export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH02:08
SpeedEvilAlso - setting PATH?02:08
javispedroand prolly export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/pytho02:09
gnadarthe alias thing worked :)02:09
gnadarbut i will try the path export as well, by putting the user/bin ahead of others02:09
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gnadarwoohoo the alias part worked beautifully02:10
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gnadari have now mercurial in sbox, something i was trying out for a while.02:11
gnadarnow, another question (fyi, linux newbie)02:11
gnadarhow do I put the alias or the path somewhere in a common place so that I don't have to retype it again n again everything i getinto sbox02:11
gnadaroops sorry wrong window02:12
Mace_N900it has to be around here somewhere02:12
Mace_N900ok i found it02:12
Mace_N900let me see if i can pair this thing02:12
javispedrognadar: ".bashrc" and ."bash_profile" files in /home/user02:13
javispedronot /home/user but /home/YOURUSERNAME02:14
javispedro(INSIDE scratchbox)02:14
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gnadarok got it02:16
Mace_N900ok wtf02:16
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* javispedro drops all the cables into the trash and calls it a day02:16
gnadarnice got that it work too02:16
Mace_N900no bt kb support??02:18
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Mace_N900this su8w worked with my n81002:18
DocScrutinizerMace_N900: no kbd supporting N900 BT02:18
Mace_N900supporting n900 br?02:18
Mace_N900is it non standard or something?02:19
Mace_N900omg this is lame02:19
DocScrutinizerwell allegedly the Nokia kbd works02:19
Mace_N900i am using a nokia kb02:19
Mace_N900an su8w02:19
* javispedro considers usb-to-ps/2 keyboard adapters precious, rare things, specially now that most motherboards are only going to come with one or zero ps/2 ports and most bioses are shit02:19
DocScrutinizerprobably BT is not a standard generally02:19
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Mace_N900bt hid is a standard02:19
Mace_N900youve got to be kidding me02:20
javispedroyeah bt hid is a standard, and the n900 also uses bluez (aka standard), if there's an issue it must be at an higher level02:20
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: so what shall you do with that 'precious' USB-F-2-PS2-M adapter then??02:20
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Mace_N900that just sucks02:20
Mace_N900smartphone my ass :)02:20
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Mace_N900and i was all amped up to dig up my su8w02:21
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Mace_N900it detects it as a kb02:21
Mace_N900maybe there is something i am missing02:21
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: see, if the mainboard comes with 1 or 0 receptacles to plug in that adapter, so what?02:21
Mace_N900this totally blows02:23
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luke-jrMacer sucks btw02:24
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DocScrutinizerthis one nice - alas not for N900-B-only receptacle:
Macerluke. don't you have divorce meetings with the lawyer and church?02:26
Macerit's ok tho.. the hid is disabled by default02:26
javispedrognite gentlemen02:26
Macerjust have to enable it02:26
Macertrying it now :)02:26
Macerfinally i can use my su8w again02:26
Maceri need to remap some of the keys02:26
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Mace_N900xchat is du02:52
Mace_N900dumb :)02:52
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, ever purchased anything from DX?02:52
Mace_N900think i have to disable the on screen02:52
SpeedEvilI have02:53
SpeedEvilToo much stuff02:53
* SpeedEvil ponders.02:53
Mace_N900oh wtf02:53
Mace_N900the fn numbers dont work02:53
SpeedEvilI can see from where I am...02:53
Mace_N900omg you mean i need to run this script every time i connect it... haha02:53
Mace_N900blah.. brb02:53
SpeedEvil5 items from them02:53
MohammadAG_Mace_N900, just use alt02:53
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, how long does standard shipping take?02:54
* MohammadAG_ assumes, for some reason, that SpeedEvil is from the EU02:54
Mace_N900now enter doesnt work when using the su8w map02:54
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: not yet02:55
DocScrutinizerin private02:55
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MohammadAG_ah well it's only a buck02:55
DocScrutinizerthough I think openmoko sometimes did when in a pinch ;-P02:55
Mace_N900blah... let me try something02:55
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: couple of weeksish02:56
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: unless they are having one of their wierd holidays02:56
MohammadAG_grrr, too long lol02:57
* SpeedEvil is from scotland!02:57
SpeedEvilbrb - out of woad.02:57
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MohammadAG_lol thought you were from the UK for some reason02:57
Mace_N900well.. i guess for enter to work the kb has to  be slid open02:57
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Mace_N900it maps it differently if the phone is closed02:57
Mace_N900that kind of sucks02:58
Mace_N900i guess this is a solution until actual kb support comes along02:58
Mace_N900or i can figure out how to map this thing differently when it´s closed02:59
Mace_N900i have to run xkb every time i connect.. that kind of sucks too :)02:59
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Oooh - a clear upgrade for every OM user!
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: lol - I bet they were, like 30ctUS, in Taipei03:01
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SpeedEvilI want a pen/n900 stylus03:02
SpeedEvilthough that's tricky03:02
* MohammadAG_ is tempted
Mace_N900well.. i guess this is ghetto but it works03:02
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Mace_N900i have to keep the n900 in a mount with the kb open to type on it correctly but hey.. bt keyboard makes this way better03:03
Mace_N900sure wish i could close the thing tho :)03:03
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DocScrutinizer200mW, not that crappy03:03
SpeedEvilMace: handy for command line stuff you want03:03
Mace_N900SpeedEvil: well. i think itś more handy for irc03:03
Mace_N900typing commands on an su8w can be a pain03:04
* SpeedEvil sighs.03:04
Mace_N900numbers are a bitch as it is :)03:04
Mace_N900it took 3 keys to make that smiley btw03:04
SpeedEvilI need to get my laser ranger built and on ebay03:04
SpeedEvilso many projects03:04
* DocScrutinizer got 150mW green, but missing a decent read laser03:04
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Mace_N900maybe a pc bt kb would be better suited than one i got for my n95 like 3 years ago03:06
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* DocScrutinizer wonders about other kinky ways to make N900 go BOOOM03:07
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MohammadAG_<DocScrutinizer> 200mW, not that crappy03:07
Mace_N900if i had an office app i´d be set03:07
MohammadAG_*not that* crappy?03:07
MohammadAG_I've never seen higher :)03:08
Mace_N900i´m sure spreadsheets would be a pain in thge ass tho03:08
* SpeedEvil has a 2W 780nm one.03:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: real fun starts @ 500mW03:08
DocScrutinizeroops 780, do you see it ?03:08
Arkenoiwhere can i get one?03:08
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, LINK LINK LINK!03:08
Arkenoii think i can use one as lighter03:09
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no - for the above mentioned laser ranger03:09
MohammadAG_Arkenoi, 500's enough for that03:09
MohammadAG_10 secs or more to light up the cig though03:09
DocScrutinizerwell the real strong green ones are ~1400bucks03:09
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MohammadAG_I expected 100 or so lol03:10
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Arkenoiwhich is the strongest that fits in pocket and costs within $200 range?03:10
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DocScrutinizerprolly 300mW green03:10
SpeedEvilBeware ratings03:10
MohammadAG_Arkenoi, buy a 200mW one and overclock it!03:10
SpeedEvilsome aren't real03:10
SpeedEvilThey count the IR emission too03:10
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DocScrutinizermost aren't03:11
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: is the 780 visible?03:11
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Arkenoired ones are usually cheaper03:11
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no03:11
MohammadAG_Arkenoi, and less visible03:11
SpeedEvilWow! A n900 for $60!03:12
mirsalwtf ;x03:12
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, it's running MeeGo!03:13
MohammadAG_8MP cam, sweet!03:13
DocScrutinizerN900 for 25EUR ->
SpeedEvilI wonder if that has all the mechanical parts03:14
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DocScrutinizernot really03:16
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DocScrutinizerthough probably real keymat, real case, real slider mech, real backlid03:17
DocScrutinizerI found a couple of those dummies on the junkyard and of course ripped them apart - some of them even had real switch assy03:18
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DocScrutinizernot N900 of course03:19
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, real keymat?03:19
DocScrutinizerbut Nokia03:19
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DocScrutinizersee, those are 1/10^3 the number built for the real thing. So it's more economic for some parts to use the original cheap plastic shit, than to make it 0.4ct cheaper, at the expense of $$$$$ for molds etc03:23
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DocScrutinizerif they can simply switch to a cheaper plastic for example, then they'll do03:28
DocScrutinizertype of plastic material03:28
DocScrutinizerbut they won't build a new mold to save 0.5g of plastic / unit03:28
DocScrutinizerthey *might* even use worn-out original molds and mill out / weld in minimal changes, so e.g. no extra IR-window is needed03:30
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DocScrutinizeras that is expensive on assembly - it's an additional part03:30
DocScrutinizerbut usually the dummy cases still have all the brackets/latches for the nonexisting PCB, etc03:31
DocScrutinizerprobably backlid is really nasty glued on03:32
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DocScrutinizerdorp by your next Nokia store, and check out their dummy phones03:33
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GAN900My friend broke his N900 stylus filling out MLB All Star ballots 10 at a time. . . .03:38
DocScrutinizerthough considering 6 EUR/unit for plastic crap,  I actually considered producing and selling luxury version made of brass or sth, for maybe 15/unit03:42
luke-jr15 cents?03:43
DocScrutinizerplus a few stamps for free03:43
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DocScrutinizerstainless steel03:44
DocScrutinizeror nice wood03:45
DocScrutinizeryes, please. Thanks03:46
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, PM :)03:47
DocScrutinizercheese, bacon, peppers03:47
MohammadAG_you just pinged someone03:48
lcukits ok i already ate03:48
SpeedEvilErr - no.03:50
SpeedEvilI think a cheese stylus would be a bad idea03:50
luke-jrI ate pizza.03:50
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b-mani love pizza04:00
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MohammadAG_XChat keeps crashing GTK on 10.04 :/04:14
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MohammadAG_Bug 980304:50
povbotBug Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?)04:50
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MohammadAG_mmap: Operation not permitted04:53
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MohammadAG_Night all05:01
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Gadgetoid_nc10I appear to now be running Wordpress 2.9.x on my N90005:39
Mace_N900like with mysql and apache?05:40
Gadgetoid_nc10Got a full LAMP stack set up in the Debian chroot05:40
Gadgetoid_nc10It's a little bit slow, but incredibly impressive05:40
Gadgetoid_nc10Pocket blog!05:40
Mace_N900why not just use a client and connect to a real  server?05:41
Mace_N900like mastory05:42
Mace_N900just a concept project?05:42
Gadgetoid_nc10Curiosity, mostly... perhaps a touch of masochism too05:42
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Gadgetoid_nc10And probably a dash of longing-for-my-Pandora05:44
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Gh0stygood morning07:11
Gh0stywell at my side of the globe07:11
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Gh0styis it possible to use crontab to schedule things like a profile switch? :/07:24
Gh0stytotally not aware how it works cause I still need to setup the sdk :p07:25
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DocScrutinizerGh0sty: no crond on maemo. Use alarmed app07:42
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: alarmed even has a crontab alike syntax for cmdline07:44
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DocScrutinizerwell, somewhat07:45
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Chiku|dcwhat happend is hk N900 bricked ?07:48
Chiku|dcany firmware to flash it?07:48
Chiku|dcor how they can flash their hk N900 ?07:49
Chiku|dcis it a good question?07:49
fralswild bet that their imei numbers allows download of whatever firmware they got from the fw site07:49
Chiku|dcone hk N900 onwer on this chan?07:51
Chiku|dcto check it07:51
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Gh0styas far as i understood from a nokia guy i met at a conf in the uk the n900 is not sold locked Chiku|dc07:59
Gh0stywas also the reason I bought one in the UK (I am from belgium myself)07:59
Gh0styits way cheaper there and the adapter is only peanuts to replace :)08:00
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Gh0styalready reflashed mine (which had UK firmware i guess) with the global firmware (not really sure what the difference is cause I did not find immediatly any description what makes the firmware 'uk specific'08:01
Chiku|dcdoes firmware have imei lock ?08:01
Chiku|dcdoes nokia explain why new firmware is out for hk and not for others ?08:02
Gh0stywhich part of the "is not sold locked"08:02
Gh0styis difficult to understand? :P08:02
fralsbecause it needed the new firmware to launch in hk08:03
Chiku|dctechnical or developping reason ?08:03
fralsits not unheard of having different release dates for different regions08:04
Chiku|dcfrals, it mean new firmware is ready08:04
Gh0stywhich version is the HK firmware?08:04
fralsit means it was ready for HK devices08:04
DocScrutinizerChiku|dc: <DocScrutinizer>I'd not even be surprised to see PR1.2 hit the repos 1 or 2 days prior to that. <DocScrutinizer>or 8 weeks later08:04
fralsim pretty sure when its ready  for everyone its gonna be released to everyone08:05
Chiku|dcnokia even when firmware is ready for release they wait to release for specific regions?08:05
fralspure speculation on my part but maybe it isnt fucking ready for the rest of us?08:05
* frals heads back to bed08:05
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: is there any notes somewhere on "what" the difference is between the firmwares?08:06
DocScrutinizernot afaik08:06
Gh0styfor example what makes the UK firmware different from the global?08:06
Chiku|dcnokia could wtite announce about the reason, then people could be less confuse08:06
Gh0styI bought my device in the UK so guess it came with UK firmware08:07
Gh0styread that the firmware does not make a difference so flashed it with the global one ...08:07
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Chiku|dcor from none official devel annonce08:07
Gh0stybut still wondering what might be different :P08:07
jacekowski1.2 is out?08:08
Chiku|dcGh0sty, you got one?08:08
Gh0stywell 'does not make a difference' as in: you can just flash the global one and it'll also work08:08
Chiku|dcor you just order one?08:08
Gh0styI got one for ... 2 to 3 weeks now08:08
Chiku|dcdid you cehck on download site?08:09
Chiku|dcdo you see the firware?08:09
Gh0stylets see08:09
Gh0stywhich version is there now?08:09
jacekowskiGh0sty: afaik there is difference with keyboard layouts08:09
Chiku|dcPR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-808:09
Chiku|dcfor us08:09
Chiku|dcwhat about you08:10
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: there's allegedly some RF regulatory diffs. Though nobody understands how they manage to have specific France settings without a France version08:10
Gh0styChiku|dc: as far as i know still 1.1.1 also08:10
Gh0styunless that changed overnight :)08:10
Chiku|dcI have france one08:10
Gh0styoh you are from france?08:10
Gh0styyou just said hongkong? :P08:10
Chiku|dcGh0sty, so if you bricked you n900, you can't reflash it ;)08:11
Gh0stywhy not?08:11
Chiku|dcif you doesn't have firmware to reflash it08:11
Gh0styas far as i've seen it the device can still be reflashed (With the proper software) even if you brick it08:11
Gh0styDocScrutinizer: ah that makes sense08:12
Gh0styin the US you have a channel 13 for example for wifi08:12
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Gh0styhere in europe i think it only goes up to 12 for example08:12
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jacekowskiit's 13 channels as well08:12
Chiku|dcGh0sty, no channel 13 too08:12
Gh0styor 14 in the us? :P08:12
jacekowskithey have 11 in US08:12
Gh0styor was that now japan :p08:12
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Gh0styah possible08:12
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Chiku|dc14 too08:13
Gh0styi dont recall the details but i know some regions have less, in other regions they have more :)08:13
Chiku|dcby default all ISP wifi set with channel 1308:13
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jacekowski11 in US 13 in EU 14 in JP08:13
Gh0styand a friend working for cisco once told me in israel they need very strict wifi stuff because the frequencys to detonate "automated mines" are close to WIFI (*horror*)08:14
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jacekowskiit's just that they are much more stricter on 100mW power08:16
trumeeblyme topic is a bit strict on PR1.208:16
Chiku|dcstrict for discussion about hk n900 too ? :)08:18
Gh0styoh and the device is dangerous08:18
Gh0styi dropped it on a wooden floor ...08:18
Gh0stythe floor is damaged :P08:18
Chiku|dcyou did a crash test?08:19
Gh0sty(and that was by accident, almost gave me a heart attack)08:19
trumee1/5 today :)08:19
Gh0styalso got some water spilled over it ... was standing in a crow, typing sms, some idiot throws water in the crowd ...08:19
Gh0styso i can confirm: the device is somewhat water resistant and pretty schock proof :P08:20
Gh0styto my amazement and anger :/08:20
Gh0styanger about the fact already this happened in the first couple of weeks i have the device :(08:20
RST38hYou should report this on CNN08:20
RST38hI am sure everybody in the world is dying to know.08:21
Gh0styRST38h: i think i'm making normal conversation and you are again starting with a tone like ... i'm not wanted here ... I should shut up ...08:22
DocScrutinizerRST38h: special mood today ? :-)08:22
jacekowskimaybe somebody can rip that 1.2 firmware off n90008:22
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: show me a device with 1.2!08:22
jacekowskiHK n90008:23
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Chiku|dcDocScrutinizer, Gh0sty got one08:23
Gh0styno i dont08:23
Gh0stystill got 1.1.108:23
Chiku|dcyou didi say to bought hk n900 ?08:23
Gh0styChiku|dc: where are you from? :P08:23
Chiku|dcfrom france08:24
Gh0styno i said i bought a UK one :P08:24
Chiku|dcI though HK08:24
Gh0stycan i just continue 2 minutes in french so he understands RST38h ?08:24
Gh0styor is that not allowed either? :p08:24
jacekowskimost people will go to google translate as soon as you do08:24
DocScrutinizerGh0sty: go ahead08:25
jacekowskiand some will remind you that this is english speaking channel08:25
jacekowskiat least that what happened to me08:25
Gh0styChiku|dc: je pense que tu comprends pas vraiment l'anglais, moi j'ai achete en angleterre08:25
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trumeenobody in HK seems to have bought any N90008:25
Chiku|dcmisreading about U and H because we talk about HK08:26
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: he asked and I actually appreciate reading a few french words08:26
Gh0styChiku|dc: j'ai entendu d'un technicien nokia meme q'il y pas de version qui est blocque avec l'imei08:26
trumeeGh0sty: english pls :p08:26
RST38hDocS: No, just keeping statistics on the number of messages sent ot this channel08:26
Chiku|dcand who care about UK one? :p08:27
jacekowskii do08:27
jacekowskii have UK version and UK firmware08:27
Gh0styChiku|dc: et le version 1.2 de maemo n'est pas disponible pour le moment que je sais (mais je suis pas au courant de tout les versions du telephone)08:27
Gh0stytrumee: sorry just making a bit of a translation08:27
Gh0stycause Chiku|dc did not quite understand everything08:27
trumeeme too on a UK firmware08:28
* microlith pulls down the Qt SDK at 2MB/s08:28
microlithI love it when sites actually have bandwidth08:28
Chiku|dcnews are all focus on HK one08:28
jacekowskii was sucking my SDK at 14-15M/s08:28
jacekowski( maemo sdk )08:29
Gh0styaccording to a friend it's possible to install the sdk on 64 bit also08:29
trumeeno HK device photos yet?08:29
jacekowskitrumee: it looks the same08:29
Gh0styonly requires 32 bit libs and a kernel parameter ...08:29
jacekowskiGh0sty: it is08:29
jacekowskiGh0sty: and no requirement for kernel parameter08:29
Chiku|dctrumee, there are some videos too08:29
jacekowskisort of08:29
jacekowskisysctl will do the trick08:29
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Gh0styi tried on ubuntu 64 bit, did not want to install the scratchbox or how is it called08:29
Gh0styand i should have 32 bit libs afaik08:30
jacekowskiit had some problems with installation08:30
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trumeedoes the SDK use MADDE?08:30
microliththe Maemo SDK does08:30
jacekowskibut i have working sdk08:30
microlithwell, if you use MADDE it does08:30
jacekowskion 64 bit debian08:30
trumeehave 64 bit gentoo here08:31
jacekowskithat's just waste of time08:31
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trumeejacekowski: waste of time?08:32
jacekowskihours to install anything08:32
jacekowskiand i have model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3360  @ 2.83GHz08:32
trumeejacekowski: love gentoo. dont like rpm distros08:33
jacekowskiand you get like 1% more performance because you tune your cflags and compile for your cpu08:33
jacekowskiwell, i'm using debian08:33
trumeejacekowski: and dont mind compiling08:33
jacekowskiit's .deb based distro08:33
trumeejacekowski: never used debian08:33
jacekowskitrumee: it's annoying when you can't install app straight away because you have to wait for it to compile08:33
trumeejacekowski: i dont install everyday :)08:34
Gh0stythey told me you need ia32-libs and a kernel parameter: vdso32=208:34
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Gh0stynot sure what the parameter does .. (looking up now)08:35
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trumeejacekowski: advantage is that it is easy to install bleeding edge apps. dont need for somebody else to provide compiled app.08:35
trumeejacekowski: i have given up on looking for packages. compiling from source is most reliable08:36
jacekowskicountrary to popular belief - YOU CAN COMPILE ON DEBIAN08:36
trumeejacekowski: +1 for debian then08:36
trumeejacekowski: dont like suse/redhat coz of rpm hunting required08:37
jlebarI'm getting "mmap: Operation not permitted" errors when I try and install the SDK on my Ubuntu 10.04 box.  Does anyone know how to go about fixing this (or even figuring out what the problem is)?08:37
jacekowskiare you installing scratchbox as root?08:37
jlebarIt looks like a few other people have had the same problem in here (e.g. but I haven't found a resolution in any of the logs.08:37
jlebarjacekowski, Not intentionally... :)08:38
jacekowskiit's not going to work08:38
jacekowskiyou have to install scratchbox as root08:38
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jacekowskiand then later on sdk as use08:38
jlebarOkay...this error is happening when I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk-debug package for ARMEL in scratchbox.08:39
jlebarWhen I ran, I'm pretty sure I ran *that* as root.08:39
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jlebarjacekowski, I also tried deleting the ARMEL target and rebuilding it...that didn't work either.08:42
sulxdoes anyone have link to alarmed package working with PR1.1?08:43
jlebarOh...interesting.  I think the error is happening because sudo isn't installed.  |sudo echo '1'| gives the same "mmap: Operation not permitted" message08:43
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DocScrutinizerreplace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside...08:57
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DocScrutinizersulx: ??09:12
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Gh0styfunny it's installing a half debian again with the sdk :P09:13
Gh0stya load of packages look familiar :)09:13
DocScrutinizerjlebar: [2010-04-30 19:00:00] <MohammadAG> no sudo   [2010-05-01 03:50:41] <MohammadAG_> Bug 9803    [2010-05-01 03:53:21] <MohammadAG_> mmap: Operation not permitted09:15
povbotBug Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?)09:15
jlebarDocScrutinizer, hm.  I just nuked all of scratchbox, but I'll try messing with the group file if it doesn't work this time.  Thanks!09:17
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jlebarDocScrutinizer, Well...there is indeed a problem with the groups.09:26
sulxDocScrutinizer: yea tried that but can't download that zip09:27
RST38hNokia Qt SDK ruined my C:\09:27
pwnguinruined, or fixed?09:27
RST38hleft a lot of garbage there, did not install anyway09:28
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DocScrutinizerdarn, that took some time until I figured how a SDK can ruin C, and why you think you got your own version :\09:29
RST38hHave you even got C:\? =)09:31
DocScrutinizerI even got C++09:31
* pwnguin has a /mnt/windows/c/09:31
DocScrutinizeraah yes, somesuch crap as well09:32
Gh0stylol running windows on n900 ^^09:33
Gh0styno that would be too evil :p09:33
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DocScrutinizernevertheless has been done09:34
Gh0styreally? :p09:34
Gh0styvirtual? or real09:34
Gh0stythere is no windows (anymore) for arm? :/09:34
Gh0styah yes nt 4 :P09:35
Gh0stysome people ... :p09:37
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Chiku|dcthe question is virtual or vnc09:39
Gh0stybochs ... :)09:39
Gh0styBochs is a highly portable open source IA-32 (x86) PC emulator09:40
Chiku|dcsome post seven on n900 sure vnc09:40
Chiku|dcor rdp09:40
Gh0styalrighty! my sdk is running :D09:42
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RST38hmoo zap09:44
Gh0sty/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/home/user/.clockd.conf': Operation not permitted09:45
Gh0styi should start scratchbox as root? :/09:46
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Gh0styhmm no that does not sound right09:46
RST38hsb2 -eR09:47
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RST38hHmmm...the Qt SDK crashed09:49
RST38hThe install app, I mean09:49
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trumeeis it possible to change username of the user in N900?09:57
trumeedont like /home/user09:58
jlebar|ln -s /home/user /home/trumee|  :)10:03
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trumeejlebar: i will stay with user :)10:04
trumeei hate to use blue key for -. it is the most often key i use.10:05
trumeealso i mix up the shift and blue keys10:07
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RST38hEhehe, it does not build the default project it creates10:19
RST38hSo much for ease of development10:19
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rm_youso, "Extra protocol plugins for Conversations and Contacts".... is this the package I want? and why does it require something not available?10:31
rm_youdo i need to install it via apt-get on the console?10:31
rm_youbunch of stuff requires the "upstart-job" package10:32
RST38hThat depends on what you want to do :)10:32
rm_youI want AIM support :P10:33
rm_youit's changed a lot since i installed it last10:33
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rm_yougah, installing one thing at a time is still killing me10:34
rm_youkinda want to write an app to try to fix THAT problem T_T10:35
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rm_youah, it's a devel issue10:38
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KamuiN900live wallpaper has improved10:46
KamuiN900quite a bit10:46
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rm_youanyone know the name of the app that makes the camera button act as a fullscreen button unless held?10:52
rm_youhaving to go through and completely reinstall everything after flash :P10:52
rm_youah found it, camkeyd10:54
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RST38h"Indian government prohibited Indian telecoms to buy equipment from Huawei and ZTE citing national security reasons"10:55
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DrGrovHello guys and Happy 1st of May if you celebrate this! =)10:56
RST38hApparently, indians are afraid of chinese telecom hardware spying on their communications =)10:56
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`0660what's the funny bit? :)10:58
rm_youi think they might have a right to be T_T10:59
RST38hthe funny bit is how much of your traffic eventually goes through huawei's hw10:59
RST38heven if you are not an indian10:59
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DrGrovPerhaps somebody will kill me now but gott ask11:06
DrGrovPR 1.2 still released?11:06
`0660they might not place backdoors to all the equipment11:06
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trumeeis Nokia Messaging usage free for N900? or does it lapse after some trial period?11:07
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DrGrovI read about rumours saying PR 1.2 will be released within April? Just a rumour then?11:09
TuukkaYesterday while changing my boot video using the terminal, my n900 got bricked and it consumed all rootfs memory. This morning i reflashed and everything started working right untill i tried again to change the boot video. THe exact same thing happened, possibly a bug?11:09
rm_youis fmtx-faker the app i need to make FM transmitter work during charging?11:09
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Tuukkai was copying the video to /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media but doing it makes the terminal go nuts and consume the rootfs... wth11:10
RST38hmaybe your video is too large?11:11
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TuukkaWhat's the size limit? My vid wa only ~18sec so i doupt it be too large.11:12
Tuukkaand the rez is 800x48011:12
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sECuREthe size limit is how much free space you have left11:12
Wolfie if .hk gets pr1.2 already, probably we will soon11:13
sECuREand the length/resolution of a video are only hints for the size, but it may still be several hundred MBs large if you don’t compress properly11:13
Wolfie...or Nokia will just drop the ball, as usual11:13
DrGrovWolfie: i god damn hope so11:14
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Tuukkauups that's the case... The vid was over 200 mbs11:14
sECuRETuukka: if you are playing with this anyways, could you delete the video and see if it still boots?11:14
sECuREi also want to get rid of the video11:14
Tuukkasorry allready reflashed -.-'11:15
arachnistsECuRE: i had the video deleted11:15
TuukkaSo how do i compres the video?11:15
korhojoawhat's the lowest battery voltage that you guys have seen?11:15
FIQHong Kong have PR1.2 before the rest of the world? :<11:15
sECuREarachnist: and did it work?11:15
arachnistsECuRE: yes11:15
sECuREarachnist: cool, thanks11:16
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Gadgetoid_nc10Hoy, does anyone know if it's possible to capture from /dev/video1 within the debian chroot?11:56
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Gadgetoid_nc10Tried using vgrabbj, but just ended up with a green rectangle, gst works in maemo though11:56
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TuukkaAnyone have experience with RAD Video Tools?11:59
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Gadgetoid_nc10Aha, got it working12:02
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Gadgetoid_nc10diabolical picture quality though12:03
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TuukkaHow much Free Rootfs do you guys have?12:15
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MohammadAGubi0:rootfs             227.4M    171.9M     51.3M  77% /12:16
Gadgetoid_nc10Nothing more fun than a php exec when it fails silently12:17
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valdynGadgetoid_nc10: thats the front camera?12:21
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Gadgetoid_nc10valdyn, successfully grabbed from the front camera now, just trying to call the command on demand with a php exec12:29
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Gadgetoid_nc10In the debian chroot environment I installed vgrabbj and used: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/ vgrabbj -d /dev/video1 -f test.jpg12:30
BusterBSoo is everyone here daredevils and overclocked? Or is the general consensus to stay stock unless you're rich?12:30
valdynBusterB: overclocking is pointless12:30
BusterBvaldyn: I major benefits?12:31
Gadgetoid_nc10BusterB, I have the overclockable kernel installed, but have kept it at stock lately... overclocking makes the device run a bit smoother, but it's not worth the hassle12:31
valdynBusterB: in my view the only time when the n900 is *really* slow is when its swapping12:31
Gadgetoid_nc10The rest of the time it's just slow ;)12:31
valdynBusterB: thats not remedied by overclocking12:31
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BusterBOh I didn't realize that12:32
BusterBJust like my old computer lol. Sooo slow when swapping12:32
BusterBI was thinkin of doin it...but I don't think I will12:33
valdynsome more ram in it would do wonders, but  I think thats not possible..12:33
valdynthough I do use a low volatage kernel12:33
BusterBvaldyn: Is there significant battery life improvement?12:34
TuukkaDoes the battery last significately longer?12:34
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valdynI cant tell, i do last through one day12:35
MohammadAGI last through 1 day on stock12:36
valdynyea, thats why its probably pointless 99% of days12:36
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valdynand it cant really fix that being online with the IM services like skype etc drains the battery badly12:37
MohammadAGthose drain battery?12:37
valdynbeing online via 3G does12:38
valdynhence skype does12:38
MohammadAGno idea, lasts me 6 hours on 3G12:38
Tuukkai don't use 3g, I don't even have a data plan yet... ^^'12:39
valdynTuukka: then you probably shouldnt have any battery issues anyway12:39
MohammadAGgot 5GBs, think they're enough for my needs12:39
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Tuukkayep my battery lasts 1-2 days12:39
BusterBSoo is a higher capacity battery that still fits stock casing just a dream?12:39
valdynBusterB: pretty much12:40
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valdynBusterB: or i dont see better batteries on the market anywhere12:40
valdyn( not for any device I mean )12:40
TuukkaHow fast is your dataplan? 1Mb?12:40
BusterB=( oh well12:41
Gadgetoid_nc10bah humbug12:42
valdynTuukka: 3.5G is 7.2mbps generally12:42
valdynTuukka: that nets 0.5MB or somesuch12:43
Tuukkavaldyn: yeah but does your operator give you full speed?12:43
valdynTuukka: think so12:44
valdynTuukka: hard to tell12:44
valdynTuukka: as the typical benchmarks like are bullshit and my locations vary12:44
valdyn( and the n900 does not show speed when dowloading in microb, so theres no casual speed check )12:46
TuukkaAt least here you need to pay more for faster connections. They allways have unlimited data12:46
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valdyn200mb 3.5G, then throttled or 5G 3.5G, then throttled12:47
valdynthats the 2 typical choices here12:47
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TuukkaWhat's the price range in your area?12:50
korhojoahey, anyone use truphone on their n900?12:50
BusterBvaldyn: so what speed test do you use?12:50
valdynBusterB: big enough downloads with something like wget12:51
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TuukkaIn here it's from 10e-35e dependig of the speed (384kb/s-5Mb/s)12:51
valdynTuukka: 10 euro for unlimited but throttled after few 100MB or 30-35 for 5GB on 3.5G12:52
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valdynoh and 30-35 euro plans have free usage while you cant use the cheap plans outside a mobile phone ( like in laptops )12:53
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valdyn( i have no idea if they could even notice that im using my n900 as an access point though )12:53
Tuukkaok, planning to get a dataplan but not sure which speed i should get.12:54
valdynTuukka: where? germany by incident?12:55
Tuukkavaldyn: Nope, Finland12:55
valdyn50€ all inclusive is cheapest i found here ( but thats only worth it if you actually do make a decent number of phone calls )12:56
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Termanahey hey12:57
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TuukkaWhat speed is necessary for smooth surfing? IS 512kb/s enough?13:00
`0660i'd say not13:00
Gadgetoid_nc10Oh well, i gave up with using php exec to capture on demand13:01
Gadgetoid_nc10And just stuck an entry into fcron to capture every minute13:01
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adeusi have the slowest possible13:01
adeusstill good enough for me13:02
TuukkaAnyone using the N900 on a wpa secured wifi network?13:02
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TuukkaMaybe i should start with the slowest possible and pump up the speed if necessary13:03
adeusI think my 380k data costs 9.913:05
adeussomething like a few euros more to double it13:05
Tuukkayep same prices here 9.9 -> 14.9 -> 19.913:06
sECuRETuukka: yes, using it with WPA13:06
TuukkasECuRE: Have you noticed that it takes more time to start loading the site when using WPA instead of WEP? The loading bar just goes back and forth but doesn't start loading the page.13:08
sECuREnope, i did not notice that13:08
TuukkaIn MicroB to be spesific13:08
sECuREit always takes a while, even on unencrypted networks13:08
RST38hHeh, they let Peter Watts go, although I doubt he will ever be able to enter US again =)13:09
TuukkaSometimes mine freezes and won't starting to load the page till i hit enter for the second/third/... time13:09
RST38hThat's probably swapping13:10
TuukkaAnything i can do about it?13:10
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* ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P13:16
fralsfuckin hell going to a wedding in 2 hrs...13:16
fralstheme is... "middle ages"13:16
TuukkaTheme in weddings? lol13:17
RST38hyour wedding?13:17
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fralsRST38h: neverrrr! ;)13:17
fralsTuukka: madness i tell you, madness.13:17
RST38hwill there be carnage?13:17
korhojoafMMS should get picture sms support13:17
korhojoathat would be awesome13:17
fralsRST38h: one can hope!13:17
fralspicture sms support?13:18
MohammadAGblack and white stuff13:18
MohammadAGit was on old devices13:18
ZogGi can be stupid, let's say true - most of time i'm tupid13:18
fralsyou mean mms with an attached wbmp?13:18
MohammadAG(last device i saw it on was the N-Gage QD)13:18
ZogGbut still all these guys on forum making me crazy13:18
MohammadAGfrals, it's an sms13:18
ZogGare they are retarded? =)13:18
TuukkaMy nokia 3310 had those :D13:18
korhojoaI still have friends who use the devices and you also get these with e-tickets here13:18
ZogGTuukka you have 3310?13:18
korhojoamy 6130i also had it13:19
ZogGi want 3310 =)13:19
fralslink me a spec for it please13:19
korhojoai miss my 6150. that thing was a beast13:19
MohammadAGI want snakes13:19
ZogGit was phone i wanted long time ago13:19
RST38hZogG: They are not human. They are spam bots masquerading as humans13:19
RST38hMeanwhile: Steve Jobs Hints At Theora Lawsuit13:20
ZogGno i mean all the whinning and all threads with title HELP!!!!!13:20
ZogGcommon internet rules =)13:20
ZogGand all those who lost faith but have to say it to everyone13:20
RST38h'a patent pool is being assembled to go after Theora and other "open source" codecs now.'13:20
korhojoafrals: searching.13:20
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ZogGlike nokia would read and say - no %username% you are so important - we will change our minds =)13:20
* RST38h finds it unhealthy that someone should base his gadget usage patterns on faith13:21
TuukkaZogG: Yep still have it in my cupboard13:21
ZogGSteve is a bitch13:21
ZogGTuukka how much?13:21
MohammadAGfrals, can't find anything, but it has nothing to do with mms afaik13:21
TuukkaNaah not selling it, besides it's battery is dead13:22
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korhojoafrals: found a IEEE document, trying to get it, but it's got some "you need to purchase blah blah blah"13:23
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TuukkaI'll upload a pic of some of my old Nokias :D13:26
Tuukkawait a sec13:26
ZogGhighlight me plz13:27
TuukkaHow do i do that in freenode webchat? :D13:28
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Tuukka:D Maybe i should take the Nokia NHE-1XN back to usage, that be cool13:30
ZogGMohammadAG thnx13:30
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MohammadAGZogG, if you're on the N900 and you're wondering, it's "nick" cries for highlights and nick whispers for PM13:32
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Treibholzcan I somehow split Podcasts and Music? I don't want to see the podcasts in the mediaplayer.13:32
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vasily_pupkinhow can i start application when matchbox up?13:33
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vasily_pupkini want to run gpg-agent session :]13:33
TuukkaIn fact i have 2 of those nokia 6110 :D13:33
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MohammadAGapt downgraded :D13:33
* MohammadAG got rid of the E: Handler Silently Failed, again13:33
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TuukkaAnyone else have old mobile phones? :D13:35
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ZogGme but not that old13:35
ZogGmotorola razr13:36
MohammadAGsome monochrome one13:36
MohammadAG3210 I think13:36
MohammadAGit looked like the 3310 but had a lighter blue13:36
andre__I still use my N8210 from 200113:36
MohammadAGgot 2 N-Gage QDs13:37
MohammadAGand a 668013:37
TuukkaBefore my N900 i used Nokia 6101 from 2005 or something :D13:37
MohammadAGhad the 6610 and the N95 (best symbian device to date)13:37
Treibholzat my parents... there must be an old Bosch brick. Couldn't send SMS, just receive...13:37
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MohammadAGfennec's broken13:39
MohammadAGCould not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.2b5pre and
ZogGMohammadAG let's make maemo_point?13:40
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TuukkaOne more pic of the nhe-1xn, Notice the cool extendable antenna :D13:41
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korhojoaused to have a 2110, but i dropped it in the sea13:43
ZogGTuukka, nice one =)13:43
Tuukkaby the way all those phones are still wotking :D You'd just need to recharge the battery and insert a simcard13:43
korhojoaalso had a n-gage qd, but it died when i tried to install doom. couldn't be re-flashed to work either.13:43
ZogGi thought of ipad and couln't find any reason why someone can buy it13:43
ZogGuntil i got to toilet and as all clever thoughts come there i got an idea13:44
ZogGit would suit perfect on the door in front of toilet =)13:44
korhojoareally handy the glass screen too13:44
korhojoajust wipe it with isopropyl and it'll be fine13:44
TuukkaWondering if using those old phones is safe. They might boil your brain with radio signals :D13:45
ZogGi would wipe it after i wipe myself13:45
ZogGTuukka, didn't bother you before13:45
ZogGthey have 5G right?13:45
TuukkaZogG, gsm only, dunno13:46
ZogGno it's 5G tehwin13:47
korhojoaanyone got analog phones?13:47
korhojoawe had a few NMT phones, grandpa had one in his car13:47
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TuukkaI have a bigger battery for the nhe, it's over 3cm thick when using it :D13:48
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Tuukka Nhe-1xn vs. Touch 1g thicknes13:51
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`0660Tuukka, do those two devices share any common functionalities? :)13:54
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TuukkaUmm they both have a contact list13:56
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TuukkaThe nokia might even have better call quality than the iPhone :D13:59
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DassuFor jesus christ I hate Ifaggotery. Gotta tell it now to you guys13:59
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`0660i thought that was ipod touch and not an iphone?14:01
MohammadAGwth the is mmap14:02
MohammadAGI can't install the sdk :/14:02
Tuukka`0660, Yeah but if it was an iPhone14:03
andre__MohammadAG, ?14:04
MohammadAGandre__, I've installed it before14:04
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`0660Tuukka, oh but iphone is thicker than touch :)14:04
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`0660still smaller than that other phone though :)14:05
andre__MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then14:05
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andre__Tuukka: oh shit, N900 flickr upload still screws apostrophes in the photo title? sigh14:06
Tuukkaandre__ seems like it :/14:07
* andre__ realizes the bug report is still open. grumble14:07
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* andre__ pings on the ticket14:09
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Tuukkamaybe i should register to bugzilla ...14:10
Tuukkaandre__ what's the bug id?14:12
povbotBug 8394: apostrophe (') in title gets translated to &pos; for Flickr14:12
Tuukkapowbot, thanks14:13
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`0660impressive, that bug has been there for months and unfixed. maemo/meego team really could use more resources.14:14
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TuukkaShould i vote for it? Newer used bugzilla before14:16
andre__`0660, well, internally a fix is available. it's just not integrated and I wonder why.14:16
andre__Tuukka, feel free to ("Vote for this bug" link) if you want to14:16
andre__`0660, plus there's lots of unfixed issues and that's totally normal. everywhere, whether it's maemo or not. ressources are never unlimited.14:17
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MohammadAGandre__MohammadAG, hmm, maybe 10.04 changed something(TM) then14:18
`0660maybe they will start feeling less limited if kallasvuo will get fired :)14:18
MohammadAGdoubt it, the install worked on the beta14:18
DrGrovhi MohammadAG14:18
MohammadAGhey DrGrov14:18
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MohammadAGandre__, had to go through the logs, I got disconnected lol14:19
andre__`0660, have you been involved in large software development before? it's simply reality, and not "limited".14:19
redeemanare any of you also having problems with recaller not actually doing autorecording?14:19
`0660andre__, well, i guess it's a balance between developing new features and fixing bugs in old features14:21
* Arkenoi have seen a lot of "large" software development projects where fixes were applied successfully within release cycle several times shorter14:21
andre__`0660, that's quite unrelated to each other actually :-P14:21
andre__quite often different teams14:21
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`0660in that case i admit, i have no idea why a bug this annoying has not been fixed, even though it seems like quite a trivial fix14:22
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Arkenoiand it is surely a good idea to split firmware to separate packages14:23
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andre__`0660: because critical issues are more important than trivial issues? :-P14:25
Arkenoithe firmware release process is just unacceptable14:26
`0660andre__, wouldn't it be quite critical from nokia's point of view, if n900 users "spread the word" of bugs with n900 by submitting photos to flicr? :)14:26
Arkenoii doubt "critical" is appropriate word for nokia regarding *anything* of maemo14:28
andre__`0660: technically critical. not marketing.14:28
`0660in the other hand, i'm very excited about the fact that this specific fix has been done but not integrated, that could only mean that there is so much code being integrated at the moment to maemo, that fixes like this just cannot get in :)14:29
Arkenoimaybe it is slightly more important that 9k communicator series14:29
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Arkenoiwhich was almost unsupported at large14:30
Arkenoiand i think almost no one was really expected to use it14:30
Arkenoiit was just an exhibit "see, we are hitech and futuristic guys"14:30
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`06609k was really common in finland14:31
`0660at some point everyone seemed to have one14:31
Arkenoithen i wonder why it was marketed so silly and the software features were that limited14:32
`0660i just don't think nokia is putting enough eggs on the maemo/meego basket. in the other hand, what would i know :)14:32
Arkenoiactually i'v seen almost no 9000/9110/9210 on the streets14:33
Arkenoieven e90 was quite rare14:33
`0660Arkenoi, is that in italy?14:33
Arkenoithough i think e90 did sell several times better14:34
DrGrovArkenoi: persons who needed a qwerty and got used to one kept a E90 and still do14:34
Arkenoi0660, Russia14:34
DrGrovArkenoi: my cousin is an example. he had the 9110 and 9210 and then got himself the E90 which he still has14:34
ArkenoiDrGrov: i love e90 keyboard but i sold it almost immediately just to forget symbian legacy forever14:34
`0660Arkenoi, i guess all the markets are different. i don't think you would find any in usa either :)14:35
DrGrovArkenoi: oh, i see.14:35
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DrGrovi would never touch a phone with android nor windows mobile14:35
`0660why no android?14:35
ArkenoiAndroid is quite nice. WM is hell, for sure14:36
DrGrovI don't like to have Google checking up on me what I do14:36
DrGrovFeels like a bit of a iPhone thing with Android... Control and control all over14:36
`0660i'm a bit worried about the amount of stuff google knows too14:36
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DrGrovI would never ever use an Android device and feel comfortable with it14:37
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DrGrovI mean seriously... WTF do I need an account on Google to use Android Market? It is insane14:37
ArkenoiWell, i sync n900 with google anyways. Kind of anal slavery again, but it is handy ;-)14:37
DrGrovArkenoi: you are putting your ass on the line there LOL14:37
sECuREDrGrov: you need an account to use ovi store, too. where’s the difference?14:38
DrGrovArkenoi: you better move it out of the way before Google gets horny14:38
DrGrovsECuRE: the reason I got the N900 is because I don't need nor want to use Ovi Store14:38
DrGrovsECuRE: the difference is merely that Nokia I "can" trust more sincerely than Google14:38
DrGrovsECuRE: so if I want to use ovi store I would use it of course since i feel it is a bit more secure than android market14:39
`0660the danger of google is their ability to combine data from their various services14:40
Arkenoithere are free and quite anarchic alternatives to android market, right?14:40
DrGrov`0660: yeah, it is.14:41
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DrGrov`0660: and i mean seriously... who the fuck gives their password to google in gmail to synchronize all contacts from any other email? :D14:41
DrGrovi wouldn't trust the fuckers on what they do with the information14:42
MohammadAG 10.2010.12-914:42
`0660who the fuck gives their email passwords to other service :)14:42
MohammadAGI'm guessing it's going to be -8 for the rest of us, but who gives a crap :P14:42
DrGrov `0660 yeah. you are right14:43
ArkenoiBTW what always made me wonder about 9k series marketing is that it was positioned as manager's toy, though it was definitely too complicated for most of "business" guys, rather being  a perfect tool for a filed engineer or just a geek14:43
DrGrovone of the reasons I don't use Facebook is because it will fuck people up14:43
Arkenoiput geeks were stuck with Palm because Palm was smart enough to market it as a geek toy14:43
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`0660Arkenoi, i think it was more like a status symbol in finland14:44
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Arkenoiomfg, to show off with a cellphone is so 90's14:45
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`0660well, you'd know someone had some sort of position in a company if they were provided with a 9k :)14:45
Arkenoithough well, it attracted girls attention much back in 1998 ;-)14:46
MohammadAGandre__, nope, install fails14:46
Arkenoiactually it was so huge most people thinked it must be a satellite phone ;-)14:46
MohammadAGmmap: Operation not permitted14:46
`0660it was pretty sad when someone had actually bought one with their own money14:46
MohammadAGUpdating sudoers14:47
MohammadAGmmap: Operation not permitted14:47
MohammadAG/etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers14:47
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Arkenoi0660: surely. actually i've seen several guys with 9k who ordered it just to show off (yes, for company's money mostly) and almost never even opened it14:48
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Arkenoiand i am afraid there were quite many of those14:49
Arkenoiand that's why software was so silly: no one cared14:49
MohammadAG\o DocScrutinizer14:51
zokierive had similar install probelm too14:51
andre__MohammadAG, looks different from bug 9803 to me (mmap instead of awk?). can you please file a separate issue?14:52
povbotBug Installation of Maemo 5 SDK fails in Ubuntu 9.10 (awk not working?)14:52
MohammadAGandre__, yeah already checked that bug yesterday (think I commented on it), I'll file a bug in a bit, just making sure it's not because of x6414:53
andre__ah, thanks14:54
zokierMohammadAG, i had "mmap: Operation not permitted"14:54
zokiertoo, on x8614:54
MohammadAGoh, so it's not that then...14:54
MohammadAGzokier, which OS?14:55
zokierubuntu lucid14:55
jacekowskiit seems like all people have problem on lucid with that14:56
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zokieri believe that lucid has more strict security settings that breaks stuff, but thats just a guess14:56
jacekowskiwell, mmap shouldn't be broken by anything14:57
jacekowskiexcept pax14:57
MohammadAGthe mmap error happens in scratchbox, OS independent14:57
jacekowskiis there any information in dmesg14:57
jacekowskiafter that error14:57
jacekowskiand running failing app on strace would help14:58
MohammadAGjacekowski, sec, manually rerunning commands14:58
MohammadAGNeed to get 141MB of archives.14:58
zokierjacekowski, iirc nothing in dmesg, but i'm not sure (it was few days ago i did that installation)14:58
jacekowskirunning failing app on strace would be most helpfull14:59
MohammadAGjacekowski, I'll do it in a bit14:59
MohammadAGzokier, Fetched 69.3MB in 29s (2373kB/s) <-- wtf15:00
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: strange, I felt silly to suggest it15:01
MohammadAGzokier, it's still downloading here15:01
MohammadAG45kbps, grrr15:01
zokier100Mbps internets is nice sometimes15:01
MohammadAGhey Anon80615:02
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Anon806hi hows it goin15:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: why?15:02
MohammadAGnot fine, I lost my SDK by upgrading :)15:02
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: thought it's too obvious15:02
MohammadAGhey noobmonk3y15:02
Anon806whats tht ?15:03
Anon806were is everyone from?15:03
jacekowskifar away15:03
DocScrutinizerAnon806: stop trolling15:03
* noobmonk3y is from the land of trolls15:03
jacekowskibut we all wish we would be from HK because they already have 1.215:03
* noobmonk3y trolls about all day doing troll'y things15:03
noobmonk3yjacekowski, as much as PR1.2 sounds good, i dont want to have to learn another language to have it ;)15:04
Anon806r use aussie?15:04
noobmonk3yi'm 1/2 aussie lol15:04
MohammadAG_oh ffs15:05
Anon806what do u do on this chat.. im here to find out bout oz hip hop...15:05
MohammadAG_xchat crashed ubuntu lucid, AGAIN15:05
noobmonk3yAnon go and join #ozhiphop15:05
noobmonk3yagain again?!15:05
jacekowskiMohammadAG: new ubuntu, new bugs15:05
* noobmonk3y meh's15:05
MohammadAG_jacekowski, 9.10 was better @ release :)15:05
Anon806how do u make one up?15:06
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: proof!!! where's the proof for HK having a real 1.2?15:06
noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer, theres a pic floating around somewhere15:06
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, I have a feeling he's a bot...15:06
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, it's on twitpic, posted it above15:06
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noobmonk3y~slap katherine15:08
* infobot slaps katherine, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!15:08
katherinewere from austrlia u from15:08
noobmonk3ywhere does it say i'm from australia?15:09
noobmonk3yinfobot is from australia though ;)15:09
katherinewtf... why are u on this then15:09
katherineits AUSTRALIAN HIP TOP15:09
noobmonk3ykatherine, you are lost ;)15:09
katherineno u r15:10
noobmonk3ywhat #room are you in?15:10
katherinei dnt no.. first time on this15:10
noobmonk3ylol well you are in #maemo15:10
infobotmethinks maemo is
noobmonk3ynothing to do with australia, hip hop or anything like that erally15:11
katherinehave use even herd of drapht or hilltops then ? seriously15:11
noobmonk3ynope no idea what u r on about - anyway wrong room to discuss it15:12
* noobmonk3y is off, back laters15:12
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katherinewtf then use r freaks.. go on ur own coutry music chat room then15:12
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MohammadAG_that was one hell of a fail... * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).15:13
MohammadAG_oh well, I tried15:14
MohammadAG_/kick katherine Stop trolling15:14
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inkbottlehi, i'm lookink for repos to add in my source.list15:27
inkbottlei'm also wondering if there is weeirc for maemo somewhere15:28
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* ioeee saluda a todos menos a ti :P15:30
inkbottlei think i'll come back with a biger computer later on for it's getting painful :)15:31
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SpeedEvilcan any of the browsers on n900 support hardware accellerated moving video decode?15:36
valdynSpeedEvil: no15:36
SpeedEvilI'm wondering about a bastardised proxy to rewrite flash video.15:37
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, not until flash 10 is released15:41
SpeedEvilnaah - rtmpdump based15:41
SpeedEvilI have severe doubts flash 10 will do smooth fullscreen video15:42
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dubziiis there any download available that makes the volume buttons in my headset work for the media player?15:43
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fralsfuck sake not even 3g in this church15:44
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Termanafrals, do you live in a church or something?15:46
MohammadAGthere was one, PR1.1 broke it15:47
Macerhow the hell is google valued at $500+/share?15:47
Macerthat is retarded15:47
valdynMacer: so short it15:48
Macervaldyn: yeah. it needs to pop anyways15:48
* Macer goes to dig out some gold bars15:48
Macerapple is around 26015:48
fralsTermana: at a wedding15:48
fralsor well, its not begun yet15:48
Maceri'm sure they went down a bit when they said adobe flash was crap15:48
MohammadAGfrals, why do you need 3G at a wedding? :)15:49
Macersomething like "flash isn't good enough for an iphone"15:49
fralsin a room with 60ppl pretending its the middle ages15:49
MohammadAG(unless you're Qik'ing it)15:49
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Maceri thought microb plays flash videos15:49
fralsMohammadAG: becuase my data gets suspended while i receive txts ;P15:50
Macerseems like it isn't playing cnn videos :)15:50
Macerthen again. there is a new flash version every other day so i suppose that's normal15:50
MohammadAGjacekowski, unpacking debs, if it fails how do I strace it?15:50
MohammadAGfrals, oh, I completely forgot about that crappy suspension15:51
Termanafrals, while your talking to us don't say anything out loud to yourself. If you object to something we say, and you say "I object" out loud, well, very embarrassing :P15:51
fralsi tend not to speak to myseld.. out loud :P15:52
TermanaOh, well I don't either, you know I was just making sure you didn't. *looks sideways*15:53
Termana:P lol15:53
MohammadAGjacekowski, actually it failed lol15:53
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b-manStskeeps: are you here? - i seem to be having some dsme/bme problems with your n900-support package16:02
MohammadAGjacekowski, straced
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lirakisim trying to work through the hello world app using qt creator and i keep getting an error when trying to add a item to the menu bar.16:09
lirakisQMenu *menu = this->menuBar()->addMenu(tr("&File"));16:09
lirakis"invalid use of incomplete type struct menuBar"16:10
lirakisis what i am getting16:10
lirakisive done some searching ... all ive seen is that ... possibly my app isnt inheriting properly ...?16:10
lirakisany one have a quick pointer on how to fix this?16:11
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MohammadAG_10.04 isn't booting up16:25
lirakisqt creator with madde is so much easier than scratchbox16:25
lirakisMohammadAG, thats sucky16:25
korhojoaMohammadAG_: 'buntu?16:25
lirakisthis is your clean install? or upgrade?16:25
MohammadAG_clean install16:25
MohammadAG_init gets terminated16:26
korhojoaget debian16:26
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MohammadAG_korhojoa, yeah, I'm seriously considering switching to debian16:26
korhojoago for it.16:27
korhojoai switched to debian from gentoo a long time ago16:27
korhojoanever looked back, really16:27
MohammadAG_last time I tried it it didn't boot up the install16:27
korhojoatried ubuntu, but it kept pissing me off16:27
MohammadAG_said something about missing cdrom module16:27
korhojoajust use netinstall16:28
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MohammadAG_korhojoa, what's that?16:30
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Termanahello lcuk16:42
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lcukhey Termana, whats new16:43
Termanalcuk, nothing much my way, what about with you?16:44
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lcukgettin ready to goto party16:45
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zashlcukn900: omg! how that happen?17:13
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DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: MohammadAG_: this site doesn't say it's ONE-DOT-TWO. It explicitly says this *could* be 1.217:14
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lcukn900zash i dunno17:15
lcukn900noobmonk3y, omg i didnt think you were here.   whats the imei code and why does it look like my sim number17:16
lcukn900i thought it was hardware code17:16
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, 10.2010 is 1.2 afaik17:17
MohammadAG_lcukn900, you're kidding right? ;)17:17
Andy80at this point they could release 1.3 directly ;)17:18
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, btw I didn't gather than info from the HK release :)17:19
MohammadAG_oh and I refer to it as one point two, kinda hate the word dot :P17:19
Andy80btw, is anyone of you having problems installing Maemo SDK on Ubuntu Lucid?17:20
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DocScrutinizerlcukn900: mixed IMEI with IMSI?17:24
lcukn900yes false alarm17:25
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jacekowskiAndy80: apparently lot of people17:26
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jacekowskiMohammadAG_: can you strace it again17:29
jacekowskiMohammadAG_: with different options17:29
MohammadAG_sure, I think..17:30
jacekowskiMohammadAG_: add -f17:30
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MohammadAGjacekowski, apparently pastebin can;t handle 16000 lines17:33
jacekowskitry wklej.org17:34
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MohammadAGfirefox is crashing17:35
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jacekowskiand just post file with these lines17:35
jacekowskithat's only for images17:35
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MohammadAGdoesn't matter, firefox is crap in 10.0417:35
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jacekowskiscp it to me?17:36
jacekowskior ftp17:36
jacekowskior /dcc17:36
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jacekowskipid 11357] mmap2(0x8000, 32768, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_DENYWRITE, 4, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)17:38
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MohammadAGthat means?17:39
javispedronoexec on the filesystem where 4 is?17:39
javispedro*fd 417:39
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jacekowski[pid 11357] open("/usr/bin/update-mime-database", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 417:39
jacekowskithat's strange17:39
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MohammadAGjacekowski, /query / PM17:40
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jacekowskii saw it17:40
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MohammadAG_err, k17:40
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jacekowskiso now, according to linux programmer's manual17:42
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* lcuk >> party17:42
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jacekowskithat's strange17:43
jacekowskiit shouldn't fail17:43
jacekowski       EPERM  The prot argument asks for PROT_EXEC but the mapped area belongs to a file on a file system that was mounted no-exec.17:44
MohammadAGbut it does :)17:44
MohammadAG/scratchbox is on a filesystem of its own, if that helps17:44
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mikki-kunmeh... sorry, was a typo17:50
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korhojoaMohammadAG: late reply, but netinstall is when you just boot the system from some media with enough stuff to connect to the network and install over that17:53
korhojoafor example, i use tftp and the internet17:53
korhojoaboots via the PXE rom on the computers and then loads the rest of the OS from the local debian mirror17:54
MohammadAGkorhojoa, yeah already downloaded the iso and burned it17:54
korhojoaah, ok :D17:54
MohammadAGbut jacekowski's having a look17:54
ZogGmikki-kun, how old are you?17:55
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korhojoaanyone remember what the programming language was called that only used spaces and newlines?17:57
korhojoathere isn't a syntax highlighter for that on wklej.org17:58
sECuREwhat fun would it be if you had a syntax highlighter, common…17:58
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Andy80MohammadAG: please read this about the Maemo SDK problems with Ubuntu Lucid :)18:31
MohammadAGAndy80, inside scrachbox?18:32
Andy80MohammadAG: all those instruction OUTSIDE Scratchbox18:33
Andy80it worked for me18:33
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Andy80don't forget to start with a CLEAN install once you've fixed that line... resuming an interrupted Maemo SDK installation will fail anyway18:34
MohammadAGAndy80, testing18:34
Andy80I got to go, let me know later :)18:35
MohammadAGAndy80, thanks, testing :)18:35
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javispedroah, aim for cover! from the man who brought you pulseaudio, here comes the next initd replacement!18:47
Robot101computer won't boot for half the people, but it'll be the fault of your bios... :P18:47
javispedroRobot101: he's already blaming all those pesky 30-year old daemons! "they're badly written!"18:49
javispedroand he even cites steve jobs himself for that!18:50
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zokierdont we already have new and flashy initd replacement, Upstart18:51
javispedrooutdated! like HAL -- outdated!18:51
arachnistzokier: there's a flashier one!18:51
Treibholzwhy do we need that? we don't need to boot faster, what we need is better suspend and more stability!18:51
arachnistzokier: systemd18:51
javispedro(well tbh I have always though upstart sucks)18:51
arachnistjavispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, backwards18:52
arachnists/back/but back/18:52
infobotarachnist meant: javispedro: because it does. it's doing the thing it's supposed to do, but backwards18:52
* javispedro is a die-hard initng user18:52
derfYou people are all crazy. You boot once, and then leave it running until the hardware fails.18:53
arachnistinitng was nice, but systemd has some features initng isn't going to get (because it seems like its development stopped shortly after the original developer quit)18:54
javispedroarachnist: initng has a plugin system18:54
javispedrothe only issue with initng is that I'm not sure I want such a beast as pid118:54
arachnistjavispedro: i used to, back in the 0.2.x days18:55
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arachniststopped using it, because it happened to segfault sometimes18:55
javispedroi am running it now,
* DocScrutinizer activates PA selfdestruct18:56
* RST38h grins and asks if initng is localized18:56
RST38hlocalized, you know18:57
RST38hsomeone claimed here recently that localization is *very* important =)18:57
javispedrolocalized init, like old redhat's!18:57
N0vemberis anyone here familiar with gpsjinni?18:57
DocScrutinizera lttle18:57
N0vemberive got the problem that ive been unable to export a logged track from the n900. cant find the file18:58
DocScrutinizerno idea. I suggest to look in ~user/MyDocs/.documents/*18:59
N0vemberisnt there18:59
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Andy80MohammadAG: I'm back. Did it work?19:09
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MohammadAGAndy80, if I say I'm still downloading, would you believe me? XD19:09
Andy80MohammadAG: yes, don't worry :)19:10
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MohammadAGwohooo! worked!19:10
MohammadAGAndy80, mind if I add this to the wiki script?19:10
Andy80by the way... I think that at least the graphical installer could be fixed to automatically apply that line for users that have ubuntu lucid.19:11
MohammadAGecho "vm.mmap_min_addr = 0" >> /etc/sysctl.conf19:11
Andy80MohammadAG: do it without any problem :)19:11
MohammadAGsysctl -p19:11
MohammadAGin the script19:11
MohammadAGAndy80, thanks!19:11
MohammadAGAndy80, if this is added to the Ubuntu 9.10 file, would something bad happen?19:11
* gevaerts thinks that this should come with a warning to the effect that the default setting is there for a reason19:11
Andy80MohammadAG: adding to the wiki is a nice thing but we should also open a bug, so Nokia can add that line to the original script too.19:12
Andy80MohammadAG: no idea about using that on Ubuntu 9.10 :\19:12
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gevaertsMohammadAG: setting that to 0 makes some sorts of kernel vulnerabilities easier to exploit19:12
MohammadAGAndy80, they'll rip the script in a month or so :P19:12
MohammadAGAndy80, I'm adding it to the automated script and uploading it somewhere, no one should notice anything19:13
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MohammadAGgevaerts, so.. Ubuntu 10.04 shouldn't install the SDK?19:13
infobotfrom memory, maemosdk is
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gevaertsMohammadAG: it doesn't make sense to go that far. That setting only brings things back to the old situation. I do think the documentation should mention this though19:15
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Andy80gevaerts, MohammadAG: without that line, ubuntu lucid user cannot install Maemo SDK. Maybe we can change that line back once the SDK is installed?19:15
MohammadAGgevaerts, so adding it to the script isn't recommended?19:15
gevaertsAndy80: does it work without that setting after installation?19:15
MohammadAGAndy80, is it possible?19:15
Andy80gevaerts: I didn't test it yet19:15
MohammadAGthanks for rephrasing my sentence gevaerts :P19:16
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Andy80within few days I've to make some examples, tests running on Scratchbox, for a presentation, so I'll have to test it someway19:17
gevaertsMohammadAG: that's a hard question to answer. I wouldn't like installation scripts to change that sort of settings on my systems, I'd prefer them to just tell me that they're needed. I suspect I'm not in the majority though19:17
MohammadAGAndy80, hmm, it could be added as a paramterer19:17
MohammadAGno idea how19:17
MohammadAGlike -V to set it to 019:17
Andy80btw... is something related to qemu not being compatible without that... so we should try to investigate in that way :P19:18
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MohammadAGgevaerts, as I said, it could be added a parameter19:19
gevaerts says that qemu needs it19:19
MohammadAG./ -u $USER -V <-- example19:20
MohammadAGproblem is, how the hell can that be added lol19:20
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DocScrutinizerhoory for buntkuh-virus in disguise of a meamo-sourcecode ;-P19:21
DocScrutinizerhooray even19:21
gevaertsMaybe always just set the thing and document it on the wiki?19:21
DocScrutinizerdon't forget to document how to exploit it XP19:22
gevaertsOr update qemu apparently19:22
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Andy80gevaerts, DocScrutinizer: does that line expose the machine to a remote attack too?19:25
javispedrodisabling vdso is much more stupid on a 32 bit machine is much more stupid.19:25
gevaertsAndy80: as far as I understand it, it doesn't expose the machine to any attack *directly*, but it makes some null-pointer dereferences in the kernel easier to exploit19:26
javispedrosince disabling vdso -> performance hit19:26
DocScrutinizerAndy80: aiui no19:26
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Andy80DocScrutinizer: aiui?19:27
DocScrutinizer~wtf aiui19:27
infobotAIUI: as I understand it19:27
gevaerts~wtf wtf19:27
infobotWTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck19:27
Andy80DocScrutinizer: I can uniderstand "wtf" ;) I play to WoW sometimes :D19:27
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MohammadAGecho "foo" >> something adds foo to the end of a file right?19:29
MohammadAGand > replaces the whole file19:29
Andy80short solution: I'll keep that line for the moment. I need to use my time to prepare slides and examples. When the presentation will be over I'll just start using a virtual machine to develop with Maemo SDK :)19:30
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: depends. On noclobber it won't replace the file, and throw error instead19:31
MohammadAGlol k19:31
DocScrutinizerIf  the  redirection  operator is >, and the noclobber option to the set builtin has been enabled, the redirection19:32
DocScrutinizer       will fail if the file whose name results from the expansion of word exists and is a regular file19:32
MohammadAGbut >> adds to EOF19:32
mikki-kunuhm, is irssi from the repos striped?19:32
DocScrutinizerdepends on noclobber X-P19:33
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DocScrutinizeroops, seems I'm wrong here19:34
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DocScrutinizerthought it throws error if noclobber and file doesn't exist19:34
mikki-kunuhm, i think i found a glitch in the media player used together with CuteExplorer19:36
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mikki-kunwill do a lil bit more testing... where would i report that then if it is one?19:37
BCMMcan anybody recommend a nice screen protector that fits an n900?19:37
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BCMMi've just installed one, and it registers touch perfectly, but is much more frictiony than the screen19:38
BCMMso that its difficult to do things that involved dragging like changing desktops19:38
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: maybe you find a niche between the zillion tickets for mediaplayer in bugtracker19:38
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mikki-kunso if there are already that many i won't add mine there :D19:39
mikki-kunwell, i was just able to play an flv-file with the media player :D19:40
* gevaerts wants rockbox to run properly on his n90019:40
DocScrutinizernow that's a flaw ;-P19:40
mikki-kunohhh uhm... wtf? that is an mpeg4?!19:40
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SpeedEvilmikki-kun: how - it won't index them for me19:49
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mikki-kunSpeedEvil: hu? what do you mean?19:49
BCMMgevaerts: Does it currently run badly, or not at all?19:49
gevaertsBCMM: badly19:49
DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHA I like that guys humor
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: I put some rtmpdumped streams that mplayer will play in ~/MyDocs/.video/ - and they are not indexed - so I can't play19:50
BCMMgevaerts: is it an alternative OS, or is there a userspace version?19:50
gevaertsBCMM: we have a simulator that uses sdl19:51
mikki-kuni used "CuteExplorer" for that19:51
BCMMgevaerts: is that specially for the n900, or is it what one uses on the desktop to develop rockbox?19:51
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mikki-kunstarted the file manager "Cute Explorer", went to my dir and then double"clicked" the file i wanted to get played19:52
gevaertsBCMM: it's the one that runs on the desktop. We have a project now to transform that to be more suitable for mobile devices, but it's just getting started19:52
mikki-kunsadly the file i tried wasn't a flashvideo, it was a  ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 219:52
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gevaertsOn my n900 it uses about 65% CPU, which is just too mugh19:52
BCMMgevaerts: that would be pretty cool19:53
gevaertsit also means I get audio dropouts every now and then19:53
gevaertsBCMM: it should be :)19:53
BCMMgevaerts: hmm, does the default media player use hardware acceleration for audio? would rockbox have a battery life disadvantage due to that?19:53
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gevaertsI don't know if it does. If so, it probably only uses it for some codecs19:54
gevaertsWe can play mp3 with 40MHz or so on ARM, so there's just no reason to use that much CPU in the simulator19:54
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ShadowJKWhat simulator19:54
gevaertsShadowJK: rockbox19:55
ShadowJKthe default media player plays audio using the cpu19:55
gevaertsgood to know19:55
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DocScrutinizerHOLA ShadowJK19:55
ShadowJKi saw :)19:58
javispedrothis is the older nits one20:00
javispedrocompare with gaia one20:00
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javispedrogaia driver doesn't seem to interact with the hardware at all after switching to host mode, maybe it's waiting for reset or expects hw to switch modes for him?20:02
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DocScrutinizer~lart GAN90020:05
* infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags GAN900 into court suing for $200 million20:05
DocScrutinizerGAN900: you lured me into suffering deep depression from straying into tmo HK-pr1.2 thread ;-P20:06
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: egoshin says the twl4030-musb doesn't have *any* code for hostmode - aiui20:08
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javispedroall the code seems to assume otg mode20:08
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and that's btw exactly what I'd suspect Nokia did to put an end to trouble with consortium20:09
javispedrogaia is also used by beagleboard20:09
javispedroiiirc -- let me check20:09
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, how the hell did I do that?20:10
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: there are two big mystries: why Nokia used 1707 instead of GAIA PHY (silicon bug?) - and why Nokia decided to use micro-B instead of correct micro-AB20:11
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I recall a posted email saying that GAIA can't do charger detection20:12
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: by posting to the thread ;-)20:12
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: So charging from dead may have been tricky20:12
* ShadowJK thought software would have to actually work with OTG for device to have Micro-AB20:12
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, so you're saying I should stick to posting useful things to useful threads, eh? ;)20:12
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: this might be a valid point20:12
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SpeedEvilIs the 1707 reworkable?20:13
SpeedEvilMaybe also ESD reasons?20:14
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: exactly20:14
SpeedEvilIf the USB phy dies - it's easier to replace the 1707 than gaia20:14
KhertanHi !20:14
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: that's why the used micro-B and disabled parts of the driver probably20:14
SpeedEvilDo you know if failed motherboards are reworked or scrapped?20:14
Khertanpeople are becoming angry everywhere about this pr1.2 ...20:14
MiXu-Angry? Why?20:15
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: PHY death is economic total loss of board20:15
* Arkenoi wonders if we will get html5 in any browser til the end of the year20:15
DocScrutinizerno matter 1707 or gaia20:16
javispedrothe beagle has two ports -- ehci and otg20:16
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yeah - I suspect so. I do wonder what a board costs nokia20:16
javispedrodunno where each one is connected, anyone knows?20:16
infobot[80] the default port for HTTP20:16
GeneralAntillesKhertan, they just need to freaking release the damn thing already.20:16
ShadowJKbeagleboard schematics should be available20:16
javispedroI'm also reading the echi one is disabled due to phy bugs20:16
DocScrutinizermaybe  less20:16
KhertanMiXu-, waiting  ... maybe ... no informations ... don't know20:17
SpeedEviljavispedro: All of the errata docs I've read don't seem to be killer issues for ehci20:17
KhertanGeneralAntilles, hum ... maybe they have a good reason20:17
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: eeek20:18
GeneralAntillesLikely depends heavily on perspective. ;)20:18
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: pointer?20:18
ShadowJKjavispedro: I think ehci one works on the newsest beagleboard. iirc it went through being not connected due to errata, and connected but unstable due to more errata20:18
javispedrodifferent PHY chip, though (SMSC)20:18
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, probably one of the reference guide PDF files..20:18
Khertani waiting it for a mfe bug fixes and on device pyside dev ... but ... i think many people waiting this release will be disapointed20:19
Khertanit s just a bugs fix release20:19
ShadowJKI think most mfe bugs are "bugs" in the spec20:19
ShadowJKlike support for google mfe20:19
* DocScrutinizer wonders if you can unload friggin musb-hdrc and modprobe a sane driver20:19
DocScrutinizererr unbind?20:20
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javispedrona, builtin20:20
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KhertanShadowJK, yep ... but the problems with mfe and google ... is mainly due to the strange implementations made by google20:21
javispedroso it seems beagle uses twl4030 phy for otg port20:21
DocScrutinizercat /sys/class/usbmon/usbmon1/device/usb_host\:usb_host1/device/vbus # o.O  .o0(???)20:21
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that's what I seem to remember as well20:22
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: SpeedEvil's explanation makes perfect sense though20:22
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DocScrutinizeresp regarding recent move of EU to mandatory charging-over.USB20:23
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javispedro nokian at work20:25
SpeedEvilI don't see why simply detecting 5V, and charging at 100mA till vbat >n wouldn't work thoguh20:25
SpeedEvilPlus a fast boot/shutdown mode in bootloader20:25
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: wooohoooo20:26
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ack20:27
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: but probably you want to detect D-short in normal operation as well20:27
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SpeedEviloh - true20:28
DocScrutinizerif GAIA doesn't know how to do that and signal it via bitflag at least, then we're out of luck with fastcharging via dumb wallwart20:28
ZogG_N900MohammadAG, are u around?20:28
mirsalhey :)20:28
SpeedEvilyou'd need at least some hardware hacks with gpio20:28
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RST38hAny Qt experts here?20:29
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SpeedEvilIs the above patch mentioned directly to do with host? It seems mostly charger related - or maybe I'm confused20:29
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: USB2.0 is a BITCH. You cam't simply hook on some additional comparators etc20:29
DocScrutinizerABS MAX parasitary C = 10p IIRC20:30
IkarusDocScrutinizer: see privmsg20:30
SpeedEvilperhaps this is moving some of the bitbanging of stuff out into the kernel from bme20:30
javispedroSpeedEvil: yes -- just pointed that patch because it has a bunchload of lines removed from twl304020:30
javispedrobut twl3040 usb is also used in beagleboard, pandora, ... so not much interesting.20:30
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I was assuming large resistors20:30
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DocScrutinizerok, probably there's some silicon bug in twl4030. At least the version available while N900 was under development20:31
DocScrutinizerit's the only reasonable explanation why Nokia decided to opt for 170720:32
MohammadAGZogG_N900, yeah20:32
javispedroso on the beagleboard echo host > ../mode works, and it's exercising --mostly-- the same code.20:34
opdf2what is the a catch to android 2.2 and flash 10.1?20:34
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javispedrofantastic, instead of b_idle I'm now in UNDEFINED mode.20:37
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: heh, that's at least some change of state at all :-D20:38
javispedroyes but the root hub disappeared from lsusb :(20:38
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x0520:40
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javispedrosource for i2cset?20:40
javispedro(or package..)20:40
DocScrutinizererr, got it from ShadowJK20:40
MohammadAGZogG_N900, ?20:40
javispedroah I see20:40
ShadowJKi2cutils is the source package20:40
javispedroUNDEFINED mode appears when you have a) no gadget modules b ) host or otg mode20:41
MohammadAGShadowJK, is it in devel?20:41
MohammadAG(if not I'm bored, might pack it)20:41
ShadowJKnot that I know of atleast20:42
* ShadowJK has -devel and -testing disabled20:42
MohammadAGpackage coming up :D20:42
MohammadAGlol empty20:42
MohammadAGShadowJK, WHAT? :P20:42
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I hope not. And never will. That one is *really* dangerous and should appear in tools AT BEST20:43
* ShadowJK nods20:43
gevaertsIs there a way to stop pulseaudio?20:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, hidden20:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, is it that dangerous?20:44
javispedroi'm pretty sure it can be dangerous20:44
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you can kill - not brick - your device20:44
javispedrowhat would happen if I were to run that with a ) dumb charger b ) pc host ? :)20:44
MohammadAGscrew it then20:44
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: by poking at the right power supply registers20:44
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, kill as in can't be fixed?20:45
Khertankill as component burn20:45
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MohammadAGis there something more dangerous than -devel? :P20:45
SpeedEvilapplying 3V to a device with absolute maximum of 1.8 for example20:45
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: nothing bad will happen20:48
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Khertanoups ... sorry wrong windows for the copy paste20:50
ZogG_N900MohammadAG, hey sweety )20:50
ZogG_N900have u managed to use n900 as modem?20:50
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MohammadAGlol wtf20:51
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GeneralAntillesWhy is it that everybody thinks the Council thread is for troubleshooting?20:51
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KhertanGeneralAntilles, because there are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role20:52
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KhertanGeneralAntilles, because they are the council, and probably because people didn't understand it s role20:52
GeneralAntillesKhertan, except or the fact that there's at least one post on the last 4 pages explaining that it's not for troubleshooting.20:52
ZogG_N900stuck with no internet at work with fresh ubuntu that can't play amtroska20:52
KhertanGeneralAntilles, lol didn't you ever see user reading manual, licences, warning, previous posts, doing a search before posting ?20:53
javispedrodo we have isp1707 datasheet?20:54
* javispedro grabs a generic ulpi-speaking usb phy datasheet and hopes it's similar enough20:55
Khertangoogle ... first result :
Khertanbut no datasheet20:56
ZogG_N900trying to share over bluetooth and getting diskonnected20:56
MohammadAGZogG_N900, JoikuSpot only20:56
ZogG_N900what is that?20:57
ZogG_N900i need to get internet on laptop to get some package for ubuntu20:57
luke-jr"However - this is a challenging rework job, even for those experienced with SMD soldering, and of course will void the warranty!"20:58
luke-jrit's commenting on a trivial *software* mod20:59
ZogG_N900getting mobilespot20:59
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luke-jrand in any case, maintainance cannot void a warranty unless it can be shown to do actual damage20:59
KhertanZogG, mobilespot depends on a custom made kernel ...20:59
Khertanand didn't work for me anyway20:59
SpeedEvilThere is 'wifihotspot' in repos21:00
Ikarusluke-jr: no, it's on the above section on connecting the ID pin to ground instead of 3.3 volt21:00
IkarusSpeedEvil: which doesn't do access point mode21:00
SpeedEvilyes, it is.21:00
SpeedEvilIkarus: I know21:00
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SpeedEvilIkarus: Look at the history, and you will find that was some time ago21:00
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luke-jrIkarus: it should be put by it, then21:01
luke-jrIkarus: in any case, the rest implies it's irrelevant21:01
Ikarusluke-jr: it's not certain if it's irrelevant or not21:01
SpeedEvilyes - I need to fix the page - probably tonight21:02
SpeedEvilmuch of the stuff needs rewritten in the face of events21:02
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ZogG_N900SpeedEvil, which repo21:04
ZogG_N900didn't find it21:05
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SpeedEvildevel or testing21:05
SpeedEvil'mobile hotspot'21:05
ZogG_N900extradev is down21:05
SpeedEvilI have however not had this working21:06
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ZogG_N900SpeedEvil, it was said that it doesn't work with efault kernel21:06
ZogG_N900only custom21:06
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SpeedEvilI'm unsure21:07
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SpeedEviloh - I missed that21:07
ZogG_N900didn't work anyway21:07
ZogG_N900tried it21:07
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SpeedEvilI wish it was simply possible to keep the wifi i/f up when bringing up 3g - and use ssh to proxy21:08
javispedroso it seems it uses STS_HW_CONDITIONS register, STS_BUS_ID bit to check for ID level21:08
javispedro(of gaia)21:08
MohammadAGZogG_N900, you need to flash a custom kernel21:09
MohammadAGwhich is done ota21:09
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Ikarushrm, anyone remember where those leaked schematics are ?21:09
MohammadAGIkarus, wiki21:10
MohammadAGinfobot, schematics is
infobotokay, MohammadAG21:10
MohammadAGschematics is <-- that's just wrong XD21:10
ZogG_N900so any ubuntu users here?21:11
ZogG_N900i know how to make it in gentoo21:11
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luke-jrMohammadAG: wait, that's on the official wiki???21:12
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luke-jris it a leak or a publication?21:12
ZogG_N900but where and how to get package manually to install it on laptop after21:12
ZogG_N900need mkv support for mplayer21:12
MohammadAGluke-jr, and? I'm hosting it on ucoz, they can take it down if they want21:12
MohammadAGluke-jr, SpeedEvil added the entry21:12
javispedroluke-jr: "documented intended for use by authorized Nokia service centers only"21:12
ZogG_N900i host pr1.3 at my box anyone is interested? )21:13
luke-jrjavispedro: would I get in trouble for modifying it and having a custom one built?21:13
javispedroluke-jr: go ahead and tell me :)21:14
SpeedEvilas far as we know, the schematic was a leak.21:14
luke-jrso is officially linking leaks?21:14
javispedrothe schematic is also old, since it says the microusb has an id pin?21:14
SpeedEvilI regrettably am not employed by nokia in any capacity21:14
SpeedEvilluke-jr: It's a wiki21:14
luke-jrbut Nokia runs it, no? ;)21:15
* luke-jr ponders if there's a legal case to saying they published it...21:15
SpeedEvilI'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it.21:15
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* luke-jr ponders if Fab@Home is capable of N900-type tech21:15
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javispedroluke-jr: if you're going to make an exact clone why don't buy one?21:16
luke-jrjavispedro: you missed the "modifying it"?21:16
javispedrothen I'd assume it's not that valuable21:16
javispedrocause the beagle board, igep, etc. schematics are out there too21:16
SpeedEvilMaking your own n900 would cost at least $3000 or so.21:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: even with Nokia's schematics?21:17
SpeedEvilAssuming you can get the parts. And you - in many cases - can't21:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: those will help yes21:17
luke-jrand fab-on-demand?21:17
Maceri keep US Governmenting my n90021:17
Macercharge it for 10 minutes and expect 20 from it :)21:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: but a 8 layer PCB of the size involved will cost perhaps $200 in ones.21:17
Maceri think i just need to leave it there and let it charge until it turns green21:18
Macerit lasted a very long time fully charged :)21:18
SpeedEvilluke-jr: And then you have to fit $200 or so components to it. And then you find there is a stupid error in the board layout - and it won't boot21:18
KhertanSpeedEvil, size didn't matter when you put a larger screen :)21:18
SpeedEvilluke-jr: repeat a dozen or so times until you get it working.21:18
javispedroMacer: definitely :)21:18
SpeedEvilKhertan: ?21:18
Khertanbigger screen :)21:19
SpeedEvilKhertan: err - what?21:19
Maceri was looking at the meego and mer projects. seems that mer is dead and moving over to the meego group21:19
Khertanif you can made a clone ... why not improving it a bit :)21:19
MohammadAG<SpeedEvil> I'm unsure of the status of the wiki actually - and who runs it.21:19
Macerand meego isn't even anything realistic at all :)21:19
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: I think I recall hearing of a CAD testing thing?21:19
MohammadAGdoesn't X_Fade run it?21:19
Maceri just hope maemo 6 runs on my n900 when it comes out21:19
MohammadAGaltered - so as not to ping him21:19
Maceri curse the day nokia abandoned my n810 :)21:20
MohammadAGI hate MeeGo/Maemo 621:20
MohammadAGbasically, I hate RPM21:20
MacerMohammadAG: er. maemo 6 and meego are the same things?21:20
Macer:) i thought maemo and meego were different21:20
Maceri just hope nokia doesn't swap over to intel mobile processors for their phones21:20
SpeedEvilluke-jr: yes - there are automated PCB testers. This does't help as much as you might expect for several reasons. They rarely test at RF - tehre can be problems with high-speed signals. And the biggest problem is they test the PCB against the design - if the design is wrong - you're screwed.21:20
Macerit will make me as sad as when apple left ppc cpus21:20
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MohammadAGMacer, I think Maemo 6 is the base for MeeGo21:21
TriztMohammadAG; you shouldn't install rpm with --nodeps21:21
MacerMohammadAG: hrm. i don't know if that's a good or bad thing21:21
MohammadAGTrizt, I've never used RPM, which is why I hate it21:21
Macereither way if it runs on my n900 then i'll be happy21:21
Maceras long as it doesn't suck :)21:21
Macermaemo5 was a nice step up from maemo 421:21
KhertanMacer, it s not possible currently to use intel cpu as phone ... imagine a powerfull phone with 10 min of battery power21:21
MohammadAGit's a bad thing for me21:21
MacerKhertan: i thought intel was working on a cpu for mobiles21:22
MohammadAGMacer, maemo 5 didn't change the whole package system21:22
TriztMohammadAG; okey, that can be a reason to hate it, wait until you used it, you will see it's benefits21:22
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MacerMohammadAG: heh. why? is meego going to use rpms or something? :)21:22
SpeedEvilI have a mobile device with an intel processor that gets 20h battery life on 4AA cells.21:22
KhertanTrizt, hum use it on moblin on my netbook ... see any benifits21:22
MohammadAGTrizt, I prefer Debian21:22
MacerSpeedEvil: which one?21:22
SpeedEvilOf course - it is a 386ex - and it's a Garmin GPS-1221:22
MohammadAGtherefore, I'll pass21:22
MohammadAGMacer, err, yes21:22
Macerex? :)21:23
TriztMohammadAG; I prefer portage but I don't except to see that, so I have to settle with deb o rpm21:23
luke-jrSpeedEvil: I mean emualting the CAD before fabbing it21:23
MacerMohammadAG: seriously? i was joking21:23
SpeedEvilluke-jr: That doesn't help.21:23
Khertan <<--- Sections Better World <--- suggestion 6 :)21:23
SpeedEvilluke-jr: you can't meaningfully simulate complex circuits in their entirety.21:24
MohammadAGMacer, it's switching to RPM21:24
MohammadAGand maybe webkit for the browser21:24
MacerMohammadAG: meh. as long as it works21:24
MohammadAGthat's what you say21:24
Maceri might as well consider my n810 dead tho21:24
Macermer is dead i believe21:24
Macerthere's always gentoo but that sucks21:24
Maceri might just run debian on it and use it as a shell server21:24
Khertanmy n810 as start is new carrier as a powerfull hifi stations :)21:24
* MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and points 3 lines up21:24
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MacerMohammadAG: heh21:25
SpeedEvilluke-jr: it's easy to ensure the PCB matches the design. Working out that the design is sane is _hard_. There are very few mixed-mode simulators, and none that can - say - see if your new system will boot by simulating the circuit.21:25
luke-jrMohammadAG: Mer is dead. MeeGo killed it.21:25
MohammadAGMacer, mer isn't dead21:25
MacerMohammadAG: that's not what i heard in #mer21:25
Macermer is stale until they decide on how to  handle the meego announcement21:25
MohammadAGluke-jr, how?21:25
MohammadAGMacer, I never went there :P21:25
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luke-jrMohammadAG: MeeGo purports to do everything Mer wanted to21:25
MacerMohammadAG: so mer is most likely going to jump onto the meego bandwagon :)21:26
Macermeego does have a nicer looking web site than mer tho so that's a plus21:26
MohammadAG"Just to let you know their is a possibility that Flash 10.1 is coming to Maemo 5 in June. This is not a rumour or gossip it was officially mentioned by Kevin Lynch, Adobe's chief technology officer...while he he was responding to the latest nonsense from Steve Jobs. "21:26
MohammadAGI'll stick to M521:26
luke-jrof all the screwups Apple did with the iPhone, Flash-free is one of their best moves21:27
Khertanluke-jr, by forcing video plateform to use a format with patent ?21:28
Khertannot sure it was the best move21:28
javispedrothen sue theora!21:28
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luke-jrKhertan: Flash is both patented *and* copyrighted21:28
Khertanluke-jr, yep21:29
luke-jrit's the worst of all options21:29
MacerMohammadAG: haha21:29
Macerdidn't he say flash wasn't good enough for an iphone or something?21:29
Khertanluke-jr, but one step forward ... one step behind21:29
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Khertanluke-jr, but one step forward ... one step backward21:29
Maceri think the android people are even more funny. like the android market comments for every single video player are like ... "y doesn't it play flash videos???"21:29
SpeedEvilFlash was a few moments ago eating 190% of my CPU21:29
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TriztMacer; wasn't it that the iPhone wasn't good enough to run flash ;)21:30
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MacerSpeedEvil: yeah.. flash does suck but still... too many web sites use it21:30
opdf2anyone syncing their n900 with google services? working well?21:30
Khertanopdf2, not at all21:30
Maceryou can sync with google services? and here i was syncing with skype21:30
Khertanopdf2, sync doesn't work well ... doesn't work, for calendar, contacts21:31
Maceri was happy the phone was able to yank all  my skype contacts.. that was awesome21:31
opdf2Khertan:  oh really, i was gonna give it a shot21:31
javispedroluke-jr: the fsf has a "copyleft" implementation which they seem to think as free of patents:
Khertanand mfe work with gmail except sending email21:31
shamusflash is evil at times21:31
ZogG_N900i did it21:31
ZogG_N900it was problem in mplayer config afterall21:32
shamusbut it;s the lesse of the eviles when compaired with silverlight ugh21:32
Khertanjavispedro, did you try it ? as last time it wasn't working really21:32
ZogG_N900gnight for everyone for now21:32
luke-jrjavispedro: it still sucks :)21:32
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* javispedro thinks all those stupid flash vs whatever discussions are bollocks since we're usually just moving the blame from one group to another project21:33
Macershamus: yeah. silverlight sucks21:33
shamuswonder how meny more years we can squese out of the n8x021:33
Khertanjavispedro,  :)21:33
Macerwhat do they call the non windows alternative?21:33
Macermoonlight or something?21:33
Triztmoonlight from novell21:34
shamushtml5 is very powerfull but the question is is the n900/n800/n810 up to it21:34
Triztsomething that feels really wrong is that HTC pays M$ license fees for each android phone they sell21:35
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opdf2Khertan:  how bout using NuevaSync?21:36
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Macerhm. chicago has wimax now21:37
Macerand i have a normal n81021:37
Macergo figure21:37
Maceri wouldn't have mind using it over wimax.. although it probably wouldn't do much nowadays21:37
Macerwith its h263 video :)21:37
shamusyah everting is goign hd these days realuy puttign the hammer to the older underpowred devices21:38
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FIQis it just me or does busybox not use any colors except normal text and background, at all?21:47
FIQfor example, ls doesn't have any colors21:47
FIQ(--color=always did nothing, it complained about wrong syntax)21:48
RST38hmc runs in color21:48
sECuREyep, that’s due to busybox21:48
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MohammadAGcoreutils ftw21:49
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Khertanopdf2, don't know never use ... didn't trust them21:56
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FIQusermod doesn't exists for Maemo?22:12
FIQi try to change default shell22:12
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satmdor directly - carefully - edit /etc/passwd22:15
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lardman|homehey chaps22:20
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RST38hehlo lardman22:22
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w00t_satmd: or chsh :P22:24
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b-manhmm, ubuntu seems to hang while booting on my N900 while in R&D mode, at least it doesn't reboot :P22:26
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Nils^_hey people. I want to download the ubuntu image here with wget but the php download script is strange and does not want wget do download it. Any mirrors known?22:30
lcukwho added the pr1.2 askers will get kicked message to the title?22:30
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lcukhi lardman|home22:30
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MohammadAGlcuk, someone who hates overclocking, depply22:32
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lcukwhats a decent drinking game to play?22:33
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b-manlcuk: i think DocScrutinizer added that bit to the channel title xD22:35
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lcukwe should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs22:35
lcukor changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D22:36
lardman|homehi RST38h, lcuk22:36
* derf codes up some bugs for lcuk.22:36
lcukhey lardman|home22:36
lardman|homesorry for the delay, was form-filling22:36
b-manderf: lol22:36
lcukthats ok, i was just thinking of you22:36
lcukim just gonna watch doctor who and i need a drinking game to go along with it22:36
lardman|homehey derf22:36
* javispedro is in the "how could this ever work" stage22:36
derfHi lardman|home.22:36
lcukderf, i'd rather you tried to cure something thats reasonable and open for you to fix!22:37
javispedrowhy are they using the isp1704 with the twl4030 driver? :P22:37
lcukadding new bugs is something for pr1.3 or something :p22:37
lardman|homeI can safely say that Ovi app mgr on Symbian is worse than what we have, so be thankful22:37
derfWell, if I wrote code right now, I would just be adding bugs.22:37
derfI've been up 33 hours straight, doing strenuous physical things.22:38
* b-man !!!HATES!!! the hardware watchdog on the N90022:38
* lardman|home hates Britain's got talent22:38
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lardman|homebut each to their own ;)22:39
lardman|homeand don't tell my wife22:39
b-mani wasted 4 hours today trying to get Ubuntu working on my N900 - if it wasn't for the watchdog i'd have a working setup in 15 minutes :(22:40
lcukb-man, the watchdog is there for your comfort and enjoyment22:40
b-manno, it's there for my suffering and torture xD22:41
derfThose are the same thing.22:41
* lcuk cracks open a beer22:42
lcukwho wants one22:42
lardman|homevery OT but I was shocked to see that 24 is still ~£50 in store for series one, I should have watched it when it was on TV22:42
* b-man grabs a root beer22:42
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lardman|homelcuk: got wine on the go, best to not mix ;)22:42
lcukgood idea22:42
b-mani wonder...22:44
* infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))22:44
b-mani guess infobot doesn't like beer xD22:45
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MohammadAG<lcuk> we should give pr1.2 to everyone who helps code up and fix bugs22:45
MohammadAG<lcuk> or changes documentation or does some positive community stuff :D22:45
* MohammadAG bans everyone on tmo22:45
MohammadAGcan I have 1.2 now?22:45
* b-man gives you 2.122:45
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lardman|homespeaking of which, what's going on with pr1.2, I thought it was pretty much ready a couple of months ago?22:46
* MohammadAG flashes22:46
* lardman|home hides behind the Mac22:46
MohammadAGlardman|home, topic :)22:46
* MohammadAG slices through the apple22:46
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lardman|homeMohammadAG: I was thinking of the garment22:46
* lardman|home prepares to be kicked ;)22:46
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* b-man tries another attempt at getting ubuntu working22:47
MohammadAGb-man, it works well22:48
MohammadAGwhen you get out all the bugs22:48
MohammadAGxchat is crap on it22:48
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MohammadAGb-man, wtf22:49
b-manif only Stskeeps was here - he is good at getting the watchdog working22:49
MohammadAGI got a terminal window22:49
MohammadAGthat's not 1.222:49
lcuklardman|home, qgil said, code complete, solidifcation testing22:50
* MohammadAG shoots the dog22:50
b-manMohammadAG: :D22:50
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lardman|homelcuk: ok, fair enough22:51
* MohammadAG hits b-man with an iPad22:51
GeneralAntillesHrm, hrw needs to be offered a cloak.22:51
GeneralAntillesCan somebody poke him about that if they see him online?22:51
lardman|homehey GeneralAntilles22:52
GeneralAntillesYo, lardman|home.22:52
* b-man sicks the watchdog on MohammadAG22:52
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FIQwhy doesn't bash read the .bashrc file?22:53
b-manwhere is it located and what user are you running it as?22:53
FIQi run as /home/user22:53
FIQit's located in ~/.bashrc22:53
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b-manare you root?22:54
FIQnot per default22:54
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b-manthat's odd22:55
b-mandoes /etc/bash_profile exist?22:56
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ShapeshifterFIQ: you have to put stuff in .profile22:56
ShapeshifterFIQ: or are you really talking about bash then busybox/ash rather?22:56
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FIQyeah, bash22:57
FIQnot busybox/sh22:57
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wazdhello people23:00
* b-man gives in and re-debootstraps ubuntu23:00
b-manhey wazd23:00
wazdb-man: wow! Heya! Long time no see :)23:00
dAnIeLLLhello guys, some brazilian here?23:00
wazdb-man: how are things? :)23:00
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b-manwazd: things are ok - trying to get ubuntu on my N900 :)23:01
wazdb-man: you're sick as always :P23:01
b-manwazd: i like a challenge :)23:02
crazyhorsswhy Ubuntu?23:02
SpeedEvilI want slackware23:02
b-manwazd: btw, i'm on every day - i'm just not active that much xD23:03
wazdb-man: awesome :)23:03
wazdb-man: I'm playing with n900 too, installing everything in sight :D23:04
b-manwazd: did you try chromium? :)23:05
wazdb-man: not yet, I'm on letter "B" now :D23:05
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b-manwazd: letter "B"?23:06
wazdb-man: in application manager :)23:06
b-manoh lol23:06
wazdb-man: and I think that microb is damn awesome anyway :)23:06
b-manindeed - one of the best mobile browsers out there :)23:07
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mordb-man: ubuntu on n900?23:11
mordb-man: done, see ;)23:12
melfaranybody published an app in ovi store?  how hard is it, is there an approval process?  it's a free app23:12
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wazdmelfar: it's impossible :D23:13
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wazdoh, btw, am I the only that has ovi authorisation shutdown?23:13
b-manmord: i can't believe i wasted 4 hours when i could have just looked at that wiki *headdesks*23:13
melfarI saw somebody else was able to :D23:13
melfarso until now it's only extras repo for the rest of us?23:14
wazdmelfar: kinda23:15
mordb-man: i think i experienced sth like that when toying with n810 :)23:15
wazdb-man: installing chromium right now23:15
b-manwazd: ;)23:15
wazdmedia player kinda suck btw23:16
wazdI thought it has portrait mode too as a phone23:16
wazdcause it's really tricky to hold $1k device on a go in landscape mode to switch the song23:16
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wazdIf anyone can help me with making an awesome media player - you're welocme :)23:17
wazdmy UI - your code :)23:17
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b-mani kinda wish they designed the plastic strip that goes along the keyboard a bit better - it wants to spring up all the time :(23:18
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wazdchromium crashed :)23:19
wazdlet's try again)23:19
b-manwhat did you try loading? - it didn't crash for me xDD23:20
wazdb-man: I just opened it for the first damn time)23:20
b-manperhaps it tryed going into it's setup wizard23:20
wazdok, it's chrome on a phone. Now that's jawdroping :D23:21
wazdseriously :)23:21
FIQi've no problems with chromium23:21
b-mansometimes it will ask you if you want it as the default browser - that usually does it23:21
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b-manso i disabled that prompt :)23:22
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b-manand now i use it to view html5 content xD23:22
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wazdcan't reach scrollbars :D23:28
melfarby the way, I tried the 800 mhz kernel the other day and didn't spot any difference in performance actually. I thought it would be a more drammatic change23:28
wazdmelfar: both ways n900 is blazingly fast? :)23:29
melfarI wouldn't go as far as that :D23:29
wazdb-man: btw, maybe you know how t use greasemonkey for microb? :)23:30
b-manwazd: nope, haven't used it23:31
wazdactual sensing area is a bit larger than the screen itself :)23:31
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opdf2Anyone try Erminig-NG? Is it working well?23:34
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b-manmord: they seem to be using a lot of ugly hacks on that wiki :(23:36
b-mansuch as deleting /sbin/init and replacing it with a bash script23:36
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mordb-man: yea well that's just "this is how i first got it to work" i think. i think there's work based on that around somewhere that's a bit more sophisticated, i'll need to ask locusf about that23:45
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* mece looks around...23:52
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mece...echo ...cho ...ho... o... ...23:52
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