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| BCMM | javispedro: thanks | 00:13 |
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| BCMM | changed first line to "start on startsshd" | 00:13 |
| BCMM | (rather than deleting) | 00:13 |
| javispedro | ah | 00:13 |
| javispedro | if you were worried about deleting, | 00:13 |
| javispedro | you could also chmod a-r | 00:13 |
| javispedro | but that will be fine too :) | 00:14 |
| BCMM | javispedro: i thought that rm'ing the file might interfere with the status area thing i use to start it | 00:14 |
| Djigorifico | <------ say hello to a new (NOOB) developer | 00:15 |
| BCMM | now it is off on boot, but the button starts it just fine | 00:15 |
| BCMM | Djigorifico: hello | 00:15 |
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| javispedro | nice | 00:15 |
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| BCMM | "SSH Status and Switcher" is the package | 00:15 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, sorry we have filled vanacies for noob developers and monkeys and stuff | 00:16 |
| BCMM | maybe at some point i'll get cleverer and have SSH enabled automatically when it detects my wlan | 00:16 |
| lbt | lcuk: we got the monkeys..? cool | 00:17 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, but if you know how to make a proper bacon sandwich im sure people will offer you guidance :D | 00:17 |
| BCMM | status thingy is clearly pretty well-written; i was kinda expecting it to assume ssh was on at startup | 00:17 |
| lcuk | lbt, sure, noobmonk3y | 00:17 |
| Djigorifico | lol | 00:19 |
| lcuk | lbt your n900 should be flashing with Healthcheck updates all the time as pyqt finds its footing under monk3ys expert hand | 00:19 |
| lbt | pyqt... thought that was dead | 00:19 |
| lcuk | well its happily being used by healthcheck | 00:20 |
| lcuk | code never ides | 00:20 |
| lcuk | dies either | 00:20 |
| * lbt really needs to redo shopper | 00:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | beware the ides of code! | 00:20 |
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| * lcuk slaps SpeedEvil | 00:20 | |
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| lcuk | Djigorifico, you say you are a noob developer - what do you mean, new to linux/maemo or new totally | 00:21 |
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| * frals smells luck... you dont smell new! | 00:21 | |
| Djigorifico | lcuk new totally.. | 00:21 |
| lbt | so what have you developed? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | frals, i failed my own healthcheck - the fragometer exploded when i took my shoes off for measurement | 00:22 |
| lbt | if you're a developer? | 00:22 |
| Djigorifico | and oh i'm new to irc too | 00:22 |
| frals | lcuk: :D | 00:22 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, so what do you do with yourself currently? | 00:23 |
| * lbt suggests that Djigorifico learns to type quicker as step #1 to becoming a better developer... | 00:24 | |
| javispedro | code never dies -- it just bitrots | 00:24 |
| lcuk | silicon heaven :'( | 00:24 |
| pupnik | be nice to new bees | 00:24 |
| Djigorifico | wait wait... IRC question... how do i reply to someone? | 00:24 |
| * lcuk is nice to old bees too | 00:24 | |
| lbt | javispedro: I once wrote to a guy to ask him to opensource a library to "avoid bitrot" | 00:24 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, just type their name? | 00:24 |
| lcuk | bitrot occurs in OSS too | 00:25 |
| lbt | he, in all seriousness, told me that code didn't rot | 00:25 |
| javispedro | hehe | 00:25 |
| lbt | and then told me his academic qualifications to prove he was right | 00:25 |
| lcuk | same as the mightiest tree in the forest can fall - being open and outside does not stop evolution | 00:25 |
| lbt | professor... | 00:25 |
| lbt | IT... | 00:25 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk I do communication & multimedia design | 00:25 |
| lcuk | cool beans | 00:25 |
| lbt | need I say, it was java 1.3 code... and it's now f*kn useless | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: Dig up old email. reply. | 00:26 |
| * lcuk used to maintain a program which has its original roots as a qbasic app | 00:26 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil++ ;) | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: test your tabkey for nick completion | 00:26 |
| lbt | SpeedEvil: mmm I might :) | 00:26 |
| Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer: thank you doc | 00:26 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk: so i do webdesign basically | 00:27 |
| pupnik | welcome Djigorifico -- hope you dont mind the snarky old men | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's old??? | 00:28 |
| javispedro | pr1.2 | 00:28 |
| Djigorifico | pupnik: thank you, nah I'm the new generation | 00:28 |
| * javispedro should start an internet meme around pr1.2 | 00:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | pr1.2 actually bitrots | 00:28 |
| javispedro | that is true since the day the froze | 00:28 |
| javispedro | *they froze | 00:28 |
| lcuk | are you sure everything froze tho? | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:29 |
| frals | its finland, ofc it froze | 00:29 |
| ds3 | fmms is sure changing fast | 00:29 |
| frals | *rolleyes* | 00:29 |
| lcuk | yeah ds3 it changed from not working, to working! | 00:29 |
| ds3 | I get almost one update every few days | 00:30 |
| lcuk | really? i would check your config | 00:30 |
| javispedro | on finland, you do not start a code freeze -- it starts by itself and you have to code every day for it not to freeze! | 00:30 |
| lcuk | fmms updates a few times every day for me lol | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it changing faster than foreca with compiled in forecast of next 9 days? | 00:30 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk: do I fit in with my knowledge? or should i stick to making bacon sandwiches? | 00:30 |
| javispedro | bacon! | 00:31 |
| ds3 | Hmmm I think i am in trouble with the latest update | 00:31 |
| javispedro | you already hit one of the channel keywords in just a few minutes! | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm bacon :-) | 00:31 |
| ds3 | it lost track of my APN :( | 00:31 |
| frals | lost track? | 00:31 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, of course you do! the more the merrier | 00:31 |
| Djigorifico | everybody loves bacon | 00:31 |
| ds3 | first time I run this new version and Access Point says "Configure" | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: of course you'll find ways to 'fit in' | 00:32 |
| ds3 | I had one in there already with fAPN | 00:32 |
| * javispedro doesn't love bacon | 00:32 | |
| lcuk | can someone kick javispedro please | 00:32 |
| frals | ds3: the whole config apn shebangthingy was rewritten in 0.9.x | 00:32 |
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| javispedro | Docs: Don't even think of it | 00:32 |
| lcuk | JOKING! | 00:32 |
| ds3 | frals: so is there a special clean up I need to do to remove the stuff from fAPN? | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick javispedro | 00:32 |
| * javispedro prepares for the inevitable kick now | 00:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 00:32 |
| lcuk | :D | 00:32 |
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| frals | it shouldve maybe possibly imported your old settings... but it might have failed :P | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | hahaha | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | *sound of relief* | 00:33 |
| * w00t_ wanders in | 00:33 | |
| ds3 | I came across a posting in that 128+ page thread about using gconf to scrub things.. is that what I need ? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | hey w00t_ | 00:33 |
| lbt | javispedro: SpeedEvil: "Hmm. As a computer science professor specializing in software engineering tools, I can assure you that bits in compiled source code (as compared to bits on optical or magnetic media) do not "rot"... " | 00:33 |
| frals | ds3: you can just remove the old one with fAPN, should be no problem i think :P | 00:33 |
| w00t_ | taht election debate was a bloody annoying timesink | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | Djigorifico, is making bacon butties if you want one | 00:33 |
| w00t_ | where did my evening go >:( | 00:33 |
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| frals | ds3: yeah do that and then reinstall, best option :) | 00:33 |
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| ds3 | frals: is fapn needed anymore? | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | U suck! | 00:33 |
| frals | ds3: nope | 00:33 |
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| ds3 | okay | 00:34 |
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| Djigorifico | ok, I want to start developing...problem is.. I don't have a linux system | 00:34 |
| lcuk | im flad i dont need to fap to send mms's | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | np: Sir Mix-A-Lot - I like big butties. | 00:34 |
| frals | Djigorifico: you dont need one | 00:34 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, investigate MADDE or the new qt sdk | 00:34 |
| w00t_ | Djigorifico: ah! you made it then | 00:34 |
| frals | Djigorifico: im developing on win7 (or well, directly on device, but ye.. :P) | 00:35 |
| Djigorifico | w00t_: yess!! | 00:35 |
| w00t_ | frals: and you said lcuk was insane for on-device development (:P) | 00:35 |
| javispedro | lbt: so he really understood bitrot in the literal sense? O.o | 00:35 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk: i got qt creator | 00:35 |
| w00t_ | Djigorifico: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ | 00:35 |
| javispedro | I was thiking something else :) | 00:35 |
| frals | w00t_: coding python on device is A LOT saner than coding and COMPILING c on device! | 00:35 |
| w00t_ | frals: pfft | 00:35 |
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| w00t_ | I was actually thinking about how to do distributed on-device compiles the other week, got to put the two n900s we have here to work somehow :) | 00:36 |
| Djigorifico | w00t_: I got that too | 00:36 |
| frals | i was gonna try that nokia qt sdk, created a hello world app, failed to compile :( | 00:37 |
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| frals | got sad and went back to coding python on device! | 00:37 |
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| w00t_ | it certainly has kinks | 00:37 |
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| w00t_ | I'm not surprised given it's such early days | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t_: Gwaaaan. | 00:38 |
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| w00t_ | SpeedEvil: mm? | 00:38 |
| frals | but up until compiling stage it looked good! | 00:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | w00t_: Make distcc in extras-devel | 00:38 |
| w00t_ | SpeedEvil: heheh | 00:38 |
| ds3 | what's the latest procedure for using fmms? do I still need to disconnect first then download an MMS? | 00:38 |
| Djigorifico | Ok so I got the qt creator installed, tried to make a hello world app. but it never made it to my phone | 00:38 |
| lcuk | w00t_, i have scripts to do it now, but its a ballache | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t_: So any compilation is shared over all devices with it installed. | 00:38 |
| frals | ds3: depends on connection mode | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i want compilation to occur to all members of group | 00:38 |
| frals | ds3: (first post of fmms thread is somewhat up to date) | 00:39 |
| w00t_ | SpeedEvil: public n900 compile farm? hmm. :P | 00:39 |
| javispedro | we have excellent cross compilers, use them! | 00:39 |
| w00t_ | javispedro: that takes all the fun out of life | 00:39 |
| javispedro | oh, fun was battling compiler bugs back in cs2005 and older toolchain | 00:39 |
| javispedro | s. | 00:39 |
| ds3 | frals: which thread? the one I been trying to keep up with has 128+ pages | 00:40 |
| frals | ds3: the huge one at 151 pages | 00:40 |
| ds3 | 151...hehe... I am so far behind | 00:40 |
| frals | ds3: but as i said, the first post should be enough ;) | 00:41 |
| ds3 | turns out I had it working but for some reason old MMS messages couldn't be downloaded... no biggie | 00:42 |
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| frals | they probably got deleted from the operators mmsc ;) | 00:42 |
| ds3 | it has only been 4 days! | 00:42 |
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| frals | hmm :P | 00:43 |
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| ds3 | anyways... I like this new version...thanks! | 00:43 |
| frals | np! | 00:43 |
| ds3 | it seems to have seemless integrated (at least to the level I care about) | 00:44 |
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| * lcuk might actually finish the dreaming void tonight | 00:52 | |
| Djigorifico | anybody got Qt tutorials? and how do i port apps to my phone? | 00:52 |
| lcuk | oooh 40 pages left | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | hamilton++ | 00:52 |
| lcuk | with qt, yoo should just be able to change the build configuration to target maemo/meego and copy resulting stuff over | 00:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah but hes very wordy | 00:53 |
| asjWrk | Djigorifico: Qt comes with a series of tutorials in the docs | 00:53 |
| lcuk | its been hard work remembering all the actors and protagonists etc | 00:53 |
| lcuk | especially since ive been uber busy | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I recommend Vernor Vinge - A fire upon the deep. | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I cheat | 00:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have a hacky awk script | 00:54 |
| lcuk | an awk script to read a book? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | "Microsoft Confirms Courier Project By Cancelling It" | 00:55 |
| Proteous | SpeedEvil: love that book | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It looks for capitalised words where they should not be (proper names) and if the name has not occurred in the past 50 lines - link back to the first occurrance | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Stupid, but works surprisingly well | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Very good for 'cast of thousands' books. | 00:56 |
| Proteous | what about cast on long named creatures that arer also rerfered to with various nicknames books? | 00:57 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk: where do i change the target? | 00:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Proteous: Works OK - it links back to the first mention of the nick - which tends to function the same | 00:57 |
| Proteous | heh | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | Djigorifico, i dunno ive not had time recently to investigate i did all my qt hacking from command line | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.baen.com/library/0671878468/0671878468.htm - somewhat silly. Forth as wizardry. | 00:59 |
| asjWrk | pro files don't have a target, you run qmake from the qt on the device you want to run on | 00:59 |
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| asjWrk | (well they obviously have a target to create, but not a device) | 01:01 |
| Djigorifico | asjWrk: so i just have to qmake it and send it to the device? | 01:01 |
| asjWrk | Djigorifico: essentially, of course you have to have all the cross tools, cross compiled qt, etc all installed and working...the nokia qt beta sdk takes care of that I beleive | 01:02 |
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| Djigorifico | asjWrk: ok i'll try that brb | 01:03 |
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| Mace_N900 | i set a jayz mp3 as my ring tone and i think my phone speakers were popping | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | filter to remove any content under about 200hz | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | hey python peeps - any idea where i can get pyopengl library from? | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | i want to use some pyside opengl and the examples need it for something or other | 01:21 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634141#post634141 | 01:21 |
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| Mace_N900 | is there like | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: isn't that what the nokia-proprietary PA speaker protector does? | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | a way to define a certain ringtone per person? | 01:26 |
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| maddler | hey all! | 01:26 |
| Mace_N900 | i dont see the option in contacts | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: not ootb | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | ootb? | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: but there are some projects | 01:27 |
| maddler | out of the box | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Out Of The BVox | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | oh | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | damn | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | that sucks | 01:27 |
| maddler | what's going on in here? :) | 01:27 |
| maddler | Mace_N900: what's up? | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | huh? | 01:27 |
| Mace_N900 | no way gto define ringtones for contacts | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | some of the maemo options remind me of symbian | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: told you there are several projects implementing that | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | doc.. that are released? | 01:28 |
| maddler | indeed, personal ringtones are useful | 01:28 |
| Mace_N900 | or on the way? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: projects in FOSS never are 'released', the evolve in public | 01:29 |
| Mace_N900 | i didnt notice any on the repos | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they got a state of being useable | 01:29 |
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| lcuk | Mace_N900, in tmo forums the startings of technical solutions etc | 01:30 |
| lcuk | first generation hacks to make it work :) | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | blah | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 01:30 |
| * lcuk can see them evolving quickly | 01:30 | |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | so when the N1000 is out | 01:30 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, why laugh, everything starts as a hack | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | i can have personalizedmcontact ringtones | 01:30 |
| maddler | ahhh, evolution! | 01:30 |
| maddler | :D | 01:30 |
| lcuk | polishing it and making it viable to be integrated is the next (and longer phase) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is N1000? | 01:30 |
| Mace_N900 | in maemo 7 | 01:31 |
| maddler | DocScrutinizer: N900+100? | 01:31 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, 6 months ago we had no mms | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | which wont run on a nOPP | 01:31 |
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| Mace_N900 | n900 | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:31 |
| asjWrk | Mace_N900: I still don't ;) | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | mms? | 01:31 |
| Mace_N900 | i have sms.. no mms | 01:31 |
| dockane | who cares of mms? | 01:31 |
| maddler | well... I actually owned all the internet tablets | 01:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer smells trolling | 01:31 | |
| Mace_N900 | or am missing something? | 01:31 |
| * lcuk does too | 01:32 | |
| asjWrk | Mace_N900: replied to the wrong person, that was for lcuk | 01:32 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, fmms | 01:32 |
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| Mace_N900 | fmms? where? | 01:32 |
| lcuk | oh, nice | 01:32 |
| maddler | 770->800->810->900 | 01:32 |
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| * Mace_N900 looks | 01:32 | |
| lcuk | eeny meeny miny mo | 01:32 |
| maddler | and things keep evolving... | 01:32 |
| lcuk | where should my hammer go | 01:32 |
| maddler | lcuk: don't look at me! :) | 01:33 |
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| dockane | i care of browsing the net .. and still did not get the point of addons for fennec | 01:33 |
| lcuk | thanks tho doc | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | no fmms on repos | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | blah :) | 01:33 |
| summel | now back to the tardis! | 01:33 |
| summel | :o | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | it comes in handy | 01:33 |
| summel | scnr | 01:33 |
| asjWrk | Mace_N900: install all the repos | 01:33 |
| Mace_N900 | where is the list? | 01:34 |
| maddler | dockane: adblock is good :) | 01:34 |
| lcuk | no, dont | 01:34 |
| Mace_N900 | is there a .deb that installs them for you? | 01:34 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:34 |
| maddler | beside you can have it in microb as well :) | 01:34 |
| lcuk | mace if you want to wait until its completely ready just hand on | 01:34 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate typing all that stuff | 01:34 |
| summel | maddler: that did not work for me -_- | 01:34 |
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| Mace_N900 | lcuk, oh... ok | 01:35 |
| lcuk | but for your info, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 01:35 |
| asjWrk | lcuk: will fmms make it into extras? | 01:35 |
| summel | yes | 01:35 |
| summel | 1.0 is near | 01:35 |
| maddler | summel: working fine here... strange... | 01:35 |
| maddler | fmms is in devel | 01:35 |
| summel | maddler: i always get a 404 when trying to opn the page where i an add the subscriptions -_- | 01:36 |
| summel | fmms 1.0 sould hit testing soon :) | 01:36 |
| maddler | summel: even more strange... | 01:36 |
| dockane | maddler: adblock. wow. ok. now what about:config? | 01:36 |
| dockane | unusalbe | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | summel, when it hits testing it should be tested thoroughly and we have to collectively help frals | 01:37 |
| maddler | dockane: never said fennec is perfect :) | 01:37 |
| summel | i do not enable testing on my phone! | 01:37 |
| summel | i have enough problems with it as it is now :( | 01:37 |
| lcuk | summel, ok reasonable enough | 01:37 |
| lcuk | whats your principle issue(s) ? | 01:38 |
| maddler | dockane: maemo is (yet) far from perfect and (perhaps?) not yet ready for "standard" users | 01:38 |
| summel | 1. rootfs is foll and thus microb stopps working avery now and then | 01:38 |
| summel | 2. fs on the uSD card always gets corrupted | 01:38 |
| summel | 3. i cant rearrange the phone numbers of a contact | 01:39 |
| summel | cant remember the rest atm :P | 01:39 |
| maddler | summel: video-calls? ;) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | ok rootfs is simplest, just remove some extra apps for now, pr1.2 has some additional help in this regard | 01:40 |
| lcuk | 2 you live near cern as we sussed the other night, i do find it odd | 01:40 |
| summel | maddler: never tested because my provider does not support it and i dont have a contact with a sip account and it does not work over jabber appearantly | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - disable all teh repositories | 01:40 |
| lcuk | 3 is there a bug report? | 01:40 |
| dockane | maddler: there is nothing wrong about that. considerable flawless browsing needs basics like flash block imho | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | and gain some space | 01:40 |
| summel | lcuk: but afaik NO app installs in rootfs... they all go in MyDocs? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, from what summel just said he doesnt run -testing or -devel stuff | 01:40 |
| lcuk | summel, false | 01:41 |
| summel | lcuk: yes i did not enable ANY additional repository | 01:41 |
| lcuk | the maemo-optify to date does not move everything off the rootfs | 01:41 |
| summel | even if that would fix problem no. 4 | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | many apps go in /home | 01:41 |
| lcuk | and not everyapp moves everything | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: how old is your n900? | 01:41 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: a few days ... | 01:41 |
| maddler | dockane: I agree. That's why, beside being *more than happy* with my N900, I think Maemo needs to keep improving | 01:41 |
| summel | tomorrow its a week | 01:41 |
| lcuk | summel, reasonable enough sticking with just extras | 01:41 |
| maddler | dockane: lot of things "missing", and many to fix | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: Install gnu-find - find / -ctime -5 | 01:42 |
| lcuk | if your app manager is still working | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | find / -mount | 01:42 |
| lcuk | then remove stuff you dont use/like | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | to show all new files | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | on rootfs | 01:42 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: there is no package gnu-find | 01:42 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, no point in extra confusion if none required yet - summel did you get device from new? | 01:42 |
| lcuk | or second user | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: settings->about - what is the version? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: oops - sorry - it's from extras | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | or extras-devel | 01:43 |
| summel | 3.2010.02-8 | 01:43 |
| lcuk | yes SpeedEvil hold off on installing anything, lets just take it easy | 01:43 |
| summel | i dont enable -devel or -testing or anything ele | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:43 |
| lcuk | summel, if you open app manager can you remove things | 01:43 |
| summel | lcuk: yes its a new one | 01:43 |
| lcuk | or does it shout at you | 01:43 |
| summel | freshly from amazon | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: by 'full' - what do you mean? | 01:44 |
| summel | lcuk: i guess but i did not install a lot of apps and i need most | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kill some of the bloated games | 01:44 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: df -h shows 95% | 01:44 |
| summel | even after removing firefox | 01:44 |
| summel | which sucks btw | 01:44 |
| summel | :D | 01:44 |
| lcuk | summel, sure it does | 01:44 |
| lcuk | its something every developer and nokia are trying hard to ensure you can install everything you want on device :) | 01:45 |
| dockane | what makes me a little bit upset is the point that there is a lot of confusion when trying to get documentation | 01:45 |
| Mace_N900 | no way to copy txt in the browser? | 01:45 |
| summel | then why not simply make 1 32gb / fs? -_- | 01:45 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, use silly swipe gesture | 01:45 |
| lcuk | use the getting started widget to show you how | 01:46 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 01:46 |
| summel | Mace_N900: ctrl + v | 01:46 |
| Mace_N900 | omg | 01:46 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:46 |
| lcuk | summel | 01:46 |
| lcuk | 32gb file system would not be right either | 01:46 |
| summel | Mace_N900: so obvious i also didnÄt notice it xD | 01:46 |
| summel | lcuk: but it would work :P | 01:46 |
| lcuk | because it would mean reflashing your device would take your photos with it | 01:46 |
| lcuk | thats just one use case i wouldnt like | 01:46 |
| summel | then save pictures etc on the uSD card per defaut! | 01:47 |
| summel | -_- | 01:47 |
| Mace_N900 | summel i cant select the txt tho | 01:47 |
| Mace_N900 | http://www.apnews.com/ap/db_45577/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Gnt1HKat | 01:47 |
| Mace_N900 | oops | 01:47 |
| summel | Mace_N900: yeah i guess you cant select text from the browser | 01:47 |
| maddler | perhaps someone should consider having more than 256MB as rootfs ;) | 01:47 |
| Mace_N900 | summel, there has to be a way heh | 01:47 |
| summel | maddler: or start shooting developers like i demand! :P | 01:47 |
| frals | swipe from left to right and enable cursor in browser | 01:47 |
| summel | exterminate! exterminate! | 01:47 |
| maddler | summel: lol :) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :x | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50473 tmo needs a database nuke | 01:48 |
| summel | frals: :O thx! | 01:48 |
| lcuk | Mace_N900, really, there is a swipe gesture from the left hand side of the screen | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | back to MW2 | 01:48 |
| lcuk | that enables a selection pointer cursor thing | 01:48 |
| summel | do i need the package "mozilla-runtime" for microb? | 01:48 |
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| sECuRE | has anyone got sound working in the maemo sdk? | 01:48 |
| sECuRE | the multimedia player says it cannot play every file i select | 01:48 |
| sECuRE | but i installed the gstreamer ugly plugins | 01:49 |
| summel | sECuRE: no but i have more important issues with the sdk :D | 01:49 |
| lcuk | summel, microb is installed by default | 01:49 |
| Mace_N900 | ah ok | 01:49 |
| Mace_N900 | got it | 01:49 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:49 |
| summel | lcuk: yes... but i installed firfox to test it and removed it and now i have a package mozilla-runtime still installed | 01:49 |
| summel | can i remove that or not? :D | 01:50 |
| lcuk | mace, i think "these arent the web pages you are looking for" every time i make that swiping gesture | 01:50 |
| maddler | summel: I think you can remove it. or at least I did and nothing bad happened... yet :) | 01:50 |
| lcuk | summel, if you remove it and it breaks | 01:50 |
| lcuk | nothing much is lost | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | sECuRE, the sounds app (or whatever it's called) is removed after installing the nokia-binaries | 01:50 |
| lcuk | just reflash and restore your backup | 01:50 |
| sECuRE | hum, ok | 01:50 |
| summel | why does it net get removed when i remove firefox? -_- | 01:50 |
| lcuk | ask firefox people? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | file a bug about it | 01:51 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at the time needed to upgrade Ubuntu | 01:51 | |
| lcuk | upgrade? | 01:51 |
| lcuk | can i just keep updating normally rather than moving to the aweful inverted window thing | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, inverted window? | 01:52 |
| summel | just switch to kubuntu :P | 01:52 |
| lcuk | i'd rather give birth to a basketball thanks | 01:52 |
| summel | :O | 01:52 |
| summel | 10.04 really IS a useable kbuntu again! | 01:52 |
| opdf2 | anyone using tmobile USA and fmms? I can't seem to send out, but can receive perfectly | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, oh, gconf fixes that :) | 01:52 |
| lcuk | mmmnf | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | come to think of it 10.04 Beta 2 did break my scratchbox install | 01:53 |
| summel | gconf is soooo much fail | 01:53 |
| lcuk | i might try it on next machine i install | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | buntkuh | 01:53 |
| lcuk | but im not changing for the sake of it | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | gconf > registry | 01:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer burps | 01:53 | |
| summel | "uhhh windows is soooo bad and sucks soooo much" "yeah! lets copy the worst part of it and include it in gnome!" | 01:54 |
| summel | -_- | 01:54 |
| MAK_ | Mohammad iam lara from middle east plz help me law sam7t | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on what scale? nastiness? | 01:54 |
| Mace_N900 | i thought microb auto rotated | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | mem usage | 01:54 |
| summel | Mace_N900: in 1.2 | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sucking? | 01:54 |
| Mace_N900 | oh | 01:54 |
| summel | you still have 1.1 | 01:54 |
| Mace_N900 | damn heh | 01:54 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not getting corrupt or having problems | 01:55 |
| Mace_N900 | 1.2 isnt oficially out yet is it? | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | Mace_N900, title | 01:55 |
| * MohammadAG requests +o | 01:55 | |
| MohammadAG | jk :P | 01:55 |
| Mace_N900 | oops | 01:55 |
| Mace_N900 | hahahaha | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke gconf | 01:55 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M! | 01:55 | |
| MohammadAG | topic* | 01:55 |
| * Mace_N900 hides | 01:55 | |
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| Mace_N900 | thats kind of harsh isnt it? | 01:56 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 01:56 |
| javispedro | gconf == registry (but I still think it's not a bad idea) | 01:56 |
| MAK_ | MohamasAG_:mohammad plz help me iam lara from middle east plz help me with reflashing my device plz law sam7t | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | if gconf is a good idea, then unix is the suckiest thing ever | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | MAK_, keep it english in here, if you want switch to PM | 01:57 |
| summel | javispedro: why is it NOT a bad idea? ooOO | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | How does gconf work - is there a daemon that stores the properties in the files or something? | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's not a bad idea and it works :) | 01:57 |
| summel | ... | 01:58 |
| javispedro | why is a universal configuration file format, with detailed specifications, that promotes commenting each and every setting with a brief docstring a bad idea? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it IS a *bad* idea | 01:58 |
| MAK_ | MohammadAG_:sorry mohammad thnx | 01:58 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: there's a daemon that caches and handles locking | 01:58 |
| summel | text files are better :P | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, elaborate :) | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:58 |
| javispedro | summel: gconf -- it's all text files. | 01:58 |
| summel | i dont have to search the whole gconf editor thingy for some cryptic string which COULD do what i want to or not... | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | text files scale poorly over multiple apps | 01:59 |
| summel | why not simply do it like every GOOD app and use .config/ ? | 01:59 |
| summel | -_- | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | If all the gconf strings were listed - perhaps on a nice page on the wiki | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: unix has clear text config files, always had, and ever will. And everything going to change that is MEGACRAP | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: because that doesn't work so well if you want 4 apps to access it | 02:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: they are listed -- that's one of the benefits from my PoV. | 02:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it's called schemas | 02:00 |
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| summel | SpeedEvil: still bad compared to a weel documented plaintext config file :P | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Listed - and documented | 02:00 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: why not? oO it works in kde :) | 02:00 |
| javispedro | yes! | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: What key do I need to set - if I want to set the picture of the desktop? | 02:00 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: they're documented -- and in fact there's even support for i18n | 02:00 |
| * SpeedEvil looked for docs and failed. | 02:00 | |
| * SpeedEvil may just suck at google. | 02:00 | |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how does your app know that i changed a config file from outside? | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | -HUP | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:01 |
| lcuk | no need to swear | 02:01 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas | 02:01 |
| summel | lcuk: theres a deamon... i cant recall the name... -_- | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: And how do I know wallpaper is the magic string? | 02:01 |
| lcuk | HUP == http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, fair enough... | 02:02 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: it was the first word I tried, honest! :) | 02:02 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: exactly... it could be background_image | 02:02 |
| summel | :P | 02:02 |
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| summel | or just bg_file | 02:02 |
| javispedro | background also has some hits | 02:02 |
| javispedro | I am grepping into HUMAN readable strings, not key names | 02:02 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, how would you know what the magic string was in a text file? | 02:02 |
| summel | lcuk: i would rad the sections starting with a # | 02:02 |
| summel | :P | 02:02 |
| summel | *read | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# grep wallpaper -r /usr/share/gconf/schemas/ | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 02:03 |
| javispedro | if you manage not to hit any of the usual keywords they used to document the key .. well, sorry. IA might help there ;) | 02:03 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, wow, you never reflashed? | 02:03 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: do not fish Maemo for examples of good practices, you know the saying ;) | 02:03 |
| javispedro | on a gnome desktop, I get hits even for changing the gnome-terminal background | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ? | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: oh. No - OTA | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a central registry daemon is a brainfucked idea from any POV | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> Nokia-N900-42-11:~# | 02:04 |
| javispedro | gnome-panel, gnometris, glines (background color), ... | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Next you'll be complaining about dbus | 02:05 |
| asjWrk | DocScrutinizer: I just has someone telling me how the registry should be in the kernel yesterday | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | (which should be in the kernel) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: dbus is a flavour of IPC, not a perverted config file | 02:05 |
| summel | dcop was better imho | 02:05 |
| summel | :P | 02:06 |
| javispedro | summel: so, if your proposed KDE replacement uses text files in .config and a daemon, what's the difference with text files in .gconf and a daemon again? | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/MyDocs/.images/weather.png | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - intuitive - of course | 02:06 |
| summel | javispedro: no there is only a general deamon that checks every file for changes... afaik... nthing kde specific | 02:07 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that's intuitive? | 02:07 |
| summel | and in kde nearly everything is configurable through a gui so there is no need to search in some strange gconf tool :P | 02:07 |
| * MohammadAG shoots himself in the foot | 02:07 | |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like beer >> maemo.irc | 02:08 | |
| summel | MohammadAG: shoot the developers! :D | 02:08 |
| * MohammadAG shoots summel *ricochet* | 02:08 | |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: as said, Maemo only has short strings... (not that I complain, I too have usually under-documented gconf keys in my apps) | 02:08 |
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| summel | :( | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - on that topic - is there something on the device that can rescale or crop images? | 02:09 |
| javispedro | builtin image viewer can crop | 02:09 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: buy an iphone for that! :P | 02:09 |
| summel | javispedro: oh it can? :D | 02:09 |
| summel | hmm true | 02:09 |
| summel | i cropped my avatar... :o | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes. assign an image to a contact | 02:09 |
| asjWrk | hasn't imagemagik or netpbm been ported to the n900 yet? ;) | 02:10 |
| summel | gimp | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | autocad | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a crap script. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/U4FDCY9g | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | it puts weather on my desktop every 10 mins | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 15 | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | But the pic is the wrong size for the desk, and gets truncated, not squashed | 02:11 |
| * javispedro has a half-assed widget made for that | 02:11 | |
| javispedro | did anyone make a proper live www image widget? | 02:11 |
| asjWrk | next you'll want xearth with live clouds | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways I'd like a little browser widget, that could take arbitrary html | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's an app for that :-P | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | but - in other ways - I like my RAM somewhat empty | 02:12 |
| javispedro | exactly :) | 02:12 |
| summel | i want to play crysis on my n900 :o | 02:12 |
| summel | ok not really | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | There is 'webcam-viewer' - which sort-of-does that | 02:12 |
| summel | but wow would be nice :o | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want to convert Pb to Au with it | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | you can set it to poll one site for jpegs | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so gimme that DESY app | 02:14 |
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| javispedro | silly hour. | 02:14 |
| summel | these are the intarwebs. there are no silly "hours" :O | 02:15 |
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| Djigo | where do I get the PR 1.2 SDK? | 02:17 |
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| summel | maemo.org | 02:17 |
| summel | there is no 1.1 SDK :((((( | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is ole grumpy DocScrutinizer -> many silly hours | 02:18 |
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| summel | sar3th|away: you know there is /away ... | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heard there's such thing called RL | 02:19 |
| summel | ewww | 02:19 |
| summel | thats just a myth | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's /away then? apm -s ? | 02:19 |
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| Djigo | anybody with Nokia QT SDK knowledge? i followed the tutorial but failed to compile | 02:21 |
| Djigo | I followed the readme* | 02:21 |
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| Djigo | DocScrutinizer: what's that? CTCP? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | version request | 02:28 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: Pb to Au... that would drain the battery... | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | CTCP-VERSION-Antwort von Djigo empfangen: qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.1.249.1064 Safari/532.5. | 02:29 |
| chem|st | Safari... Safari Carpet Bomb... | 02:30 |
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| chem|st | of 2 bed | 02:30 |
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| Djigo | DocScrutinizer: what's that? LOL | 02:31 |
| chem|st | Djigo: your client version | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigo: just because your /whois also looks a little weird | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] Djigo ist ~52cc611e@gateway/web/freenode/x-yeuhmraahkvkkbwj (30-97.kg.ftth.internl.net/82.204.97.30 - http://we) | 02:32 |
| chem|st | Djigo: http://tinyurl.com/yklv8nc | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) | 02:34 |
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| chem|st | l8er | 02:35 |
| Djigo | DocScrutinizer: i'm the guy from earlier... Djigorifico | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I know | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a litle *hint* about your appearance | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | see above - my real name is "Joerg". Yours seem to be "30-97.kg.ftth.internl.net/82.204.97.30 - http://we" | 02:37 |
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| Djigo | DocScrutinizer: i'm using google chrome, if that clears things up | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yes. I thought as much, from CTCP query. No idea if that has decent ways to config things lke real-name, username etc | 02:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Djigo: it's no poblem, just doesn't look very nice | 02:42 |
| dmj726 | Barring PR1.2, is there a way to update the several apps that seem to rely on it? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145 seems to help sometimes | 02:43 |
| dmj726 | I don't see how that would solve the QT dependency issues. | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace dpkg -i pyside... by dpkg -i --force-all pyside... | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it did, for me | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had some dependencies to fooQT-4.6.2 which made install of alarmed fail | 02:47 |
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| Djigo | which IRC client are you guys using? | 02:48 |
| dmj726 | pidgin | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat on N900, Konversation on PC | 02:48 |
| Sho_ | hopefully soon Konversation on N900, too | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | with fullblown KDE & compiz | 02:49 |
| Sho_ | hehe | 02:49 |
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| Sho_ | no, a Maemo port with adjusted UI | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'd call that xchat | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks veeeery similar | 02:50 |
| Sho_ | DocScrutinizer: Though Konvi can do things like http://buscher.zxq.net/wp-content/uploads/konvdrawplanet.png which are going to be fun on a touch device | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | UGHH - what's *that*? | 02:51 |
| asjWrk | it uses dcc, I don't predict that will help much | 02:51 |
| Sho_ | collaborative drawing | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | pidgin here, xchat on n900 | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | dcc will 'never' work with the source a mobile | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (as it relies on the senders port being reachable) | 02:53 |
| Sho_ | depends | 02:53 |
| Sho_ | Konversation supports passive DCC, so it can shift the burden to the recipient | 02:53 |
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| Sho_ | it also can negotiate port forwards over UPnP, that'd work in a NAT'd WLAN at least | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, port it | 02:54 |
| Sho_ | but yeah, I agree that DCC is problematic on mobile broadband otherwise | 02:54 |
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| Djigorifico | Now on xchat | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | much nicer | 02:56 |
| asjWrk | Sho_: you can't guarante the receiver can do it ether, working sometimes and not others isn't a good recipe for sucess | 02:59 |
| Sho_ | asjWrk: yup | 02:59 |
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| asjWrk | Sho_: I guess they just didn't use ctcp due to flood issues, but if they did rastor...it would seem that you could pack a lot into ~300chars/line | 03:00 |
| Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, maybe you can help me with this.. I made an html app in Qt Creator, I set up my N900 for wireless access, just like in the readme file, but it still wont let me access the phone when compiling | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, access the phone when compiling? Sorry I don't get that part | 03:01 |
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| Djigorifico | with Mad Developer | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only know about ssh into the phone | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't know madde | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I guess you need to install ssh to your phone | 03:03 |
| Djigorifico | ssh server right? | 03:03 |
| Djigorifico | or client? | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | install both - there's a methapackage | 03:04 |
| Djigorifico | ok i'll do it right quick | 03:04 |
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| Djigorifico | done | 03:05 |
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| Djigorifico | what's next? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you should have entered a password for root | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess madde will ask for that | 03:06 |
| Djigorifico | yes i already did it for madde | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | installing sshd server asks you for a password | 03:06 |
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| Djigorifico | yes I entered the password | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if madde tries to login to root@N900, it will need that password | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you should try if ssh login works, from your PC. Putty e.g is suitable for that | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (if you're on windows) | 03:10 |
| Djigorifico | yes, i'm on windows | 03:10 |
| Djigorifico | the program is called Putty? | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | PuTTY | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, be case sensitive! | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnah, windows isn't afaik ;-P | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I never checked | 03:11 |
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| Djigorifico | ok i got PuTTY opened LOL | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, sad, isn't it? :) | 03:11 |
| Djigorifico | now that do I have to enter? | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends on how your N900 is 'connected' to your PC | 03:12 |
| Djigorifico | what* | 03:12 |
| Djigorifico | I got the usb cable and a router | 03:13 |
| Djigorifico | choose one! | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | wifi router is easy | 03:13 |
| Djigorifico | ok | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | check what IP the N900 got from routers DHCP | 03:13 |
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| Djigorifico | if i remember my routers password LOL | 03:14 |
| Djigorifico | let me check | 03:14 |
| Djigorifico | I dont know the password anymore :( | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900 terminal | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig | 03:16 |
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| Djigorifico | not found | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | root | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you've installed rootsh? | 03:17 |
| Djigorifico | yes | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so enter 'root' | 03:18 |
| Djigorifico | yes | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | id | 03:18 |
| Djigorifico | i think i see the ip | 03:18 |
| * MohammadAG helps DocScrutinizer see the other end of the N900 | 03:18 | |
| Djigorifico | 192.168.1.103 | 03:18 |
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| MohammadAG | "Root Shell enabled" | 03:18 |
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| Djigorifico | ok so i entered the ip in putty | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | enter user 'root' | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | connect via ssh, NOT via telnet | 03:20 |
| Djigorifico | yes i checked that | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe also enter your N900 root password (sorry dunno PuTTY) | 03:20 |
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| Djigorifico | yes it logged in | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool :-) | 03:21 |
| Djigorifico | :) | 03:21 |
| Djigorifico | what's the next step? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | madde needs the same info - maybe less the 'root' user | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | My wild guess - as I mentioned I never looked into madde | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | there goes ssh | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | mesg: ttyname: Invalid argument | 03:22 |
| Djigorifico | yes madde uses a password generator | 03:23 |
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| zappa | Opinions needed: should I have a mod move my thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49562&page=2 out of brainstorm and inot a different sub forum to get more participation? Or is the whole concept a bnuch of fail and I'm on my own. | 03:24 |
| Djigorifico | problem is... when i run the program in Qt it wont run on the N900 | 03:25 |
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| asjWrk | Djigorifico: what do you "run the program in Qt" Qt's a library, you can run it on your computer, you can run in QtCreator, but you can't run it in Qt | 03:27 |
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| Djigorifico | asjWrk, correction, I run it in Qtcreator | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | it takes less than 20 minutes to do a fresh install of Ubuntu, but 1 hour 15 minutes to upgrade | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | ffs | 03:29 |
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| asjWrk | Djigorifico: ok, do you understand cross compiling? | 03:30 |
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| Djigorifico | asjWrk, I dont know what that is but i have the Nokia Qt SDK installed | 03:31 |
| asjWrk | Djigorifico: executables you compile for your desktop will not run on an ARM cpu on your phone, you must do something called cross compiling to compile a binary that will run on the phone. (and will not run on your desktop) Look up what the term means, that's a good start. | 03:33 |
| Djigorifico | yes I know what it means and i know that Nokia QT SDK cando that automatically | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | zappa: the idea isn't that strange. | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't there a MADDE tutorial and qt-heelo_world? | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | Might be worth the shot... | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | ~MADDE | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | guess not | 03:38 |
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| zappa | DocScrutinizer: I agree that its not a strange idea. But I think it gets the taks acompilshed much \better than vnc can. | 03:39 |
| Djigorifico | why is this so difficult man | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well there's a basic difference between vnc and remote X, aiui | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | for your usecase remote X seems better siuted | 03:40 |
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| Djigorifico | I got hope for making a basic app today and lost it all in one day | 03:41 |
| zappa | basically i am thinking simple to use uis for n90 apps on a remote device. be it iphone or andrioid | 03:41 |
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| Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, can you show me the ssh way? | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: you should ask in now+10h | 03:44 |
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| zappa | pizza..brb | 03:44 |
| lcuk | zappa, alternative question | 03:44 |
| lcuk | iphone has x11? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I can't tell you much more about ssh than what you already managed to put to work | 03:44 |
| lcuk | does it have xvideo? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: maybe MohammadAG knows more about madde | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | no idea | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | sorry lol | 03:46 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, ssh maybe? | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG | that, I know about | 03:47 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, ok help a desperate guy send a hello-world app to his N900 | 03:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 03:48 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, there are lots and lots of variables | 03:49 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, from Qtcreator | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, yeah? what's the problem? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess there's .ssh/* missing | 03:49 |
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| MohammadAG | public RSA key? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the key | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-30 02:23:23] <Djigorifico> yes madde uses a password generator | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG | not that key | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG | the pubkey | 03:50 |
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| MohammadAG | WOAH, 63 minutes to reindex my media | 03:51 |
| MohammadAG | ~nuke tracker | 03:51 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker ... B☢☢M! | 03:51 | |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, so what's the error? | 03:52 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i followed this tutorial http://vimeo.com/9034487 | 03:52 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, a simple html in qt tutorial. Works perfectly in qtcreator, but now i want to send it to my N900 | 03:53 |
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| MohammadAG | gah, upgrade's breaking everything! | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, WinSCP | 03:54 |
| MohammadAG | well for windows | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | nautilus for linux | 03:55 |
| Djigorifico | i got windows | 03:55 |
| * MohammadAG needs nautilus on Maemo | 03:55 | |
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| MohammadAG | WinSCP then | 03:55 |
| MohammadAG | \o crashanddie | 03:55 |
| crashanddie | o/ | 03:55 |
| crashanddie | \o\ | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | |o| | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | \o/ | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | #maemo /o/ | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | crap | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | the slash was messing with my client | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | == O/ Unknown command | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | /o <-- this one :P | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | double it | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | aye | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | nope | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | // should cancel one | 03:57 |
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| MohammadAG | /like this | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | == /O/ Unknown command | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | //0/ | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | //O/ * | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | dude, I know what you mean | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | it just doesn't work :) | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | webchat.freenode.net ;) | 03:57 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, I can see that :P | 03:58 |
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| * MohammadAG sent a CTCP | 03:58 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: however, /say /o/ works | 03:58 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG [~MohammadA@62.219.120.20] requested CTCP VERSION from crashanddie: | 03:58 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, got winSCP open | 03:58 |
| * MohammadAG gets a proxy to hide that damn IP | 03:58 | |
| crashanddie | I wish the usb networking worked better on windows | 03:58 |
| crashanddie | say, as good as how it works on osx | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I wish windows worked | 03:59 |
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| Djigorifico | lol | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | you just plug in the n900, and it goes "Hey, I detected a network interface, what IP do you want me to use? I can try to find one for you" | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, enter your N900's IP | 03:59 |
| Djigorifico | user is root right? | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | yes | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | did you set root's password? | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | err | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | user != root | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | oh, I think I got what he meant | 04:00 |
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| Djigorifico | ok i'm in!! | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: stfu, you confused twig | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | wow, that was a powerful insult! | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, tsk tsk tsk, never expected that from you | 04:01 |
| * MohammadAG hits crashanddie in the face | 04:01 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | sorry bru, didn't mean to offend you | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | lmao no offense taken | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | test;/say test | 04:01 |
| asjWrk | "that's what she said" | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, still, user != root :) | 04:01 |
| crashanddie | asjWrk: that was a pretty poor TSWW | 04:02 |
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| crashanddie | err, TWSS | 04:02 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i'm in what's the next step? | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | copy the file to where you want | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: take the gold and run | 04:02 |
| Djigorifico | crashanddie, LOL | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: they're on to you, quick, nurofen zavance! | 04:02 |
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| * MohammadAG calls the cops | 04:03 | |
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| crashanddie | I got in late this morning | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | apparently they pranked some guy early around 8 | 04:03 |
| crashanddie | a few guys around the building were recruited for their "physical toughness" (for lack of better description) | 04:04 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, copied it | 04:04 |
| crashanddie | given white coats, and sent to one guy's cubicle | 04:04 |
| asjWrk | crashanddie: :( | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | asjWrk, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51448 tis all yours | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | (thought you liked TWSS jokes - but you'll get an infraction sooner or later) | 04:05 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, is that all i have to do? | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, yes, SCP is simple (and very CPU intensive) | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh that too | 04:05 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, just a note, you can't run it off MyDoc | 04:06 |
| crashanddie | also, don't copy it on the 32gb partition | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | s | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | ^ | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 04:06 |
| crashanddie | as noexec is set on it, so chmod +x file doesn't return any error, but doesn't change anything | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, as well as the MMC, if it's VFAT | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should copy it to /home/user/your-file | 04:07 |
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| MohammadAG | I just dump my test files in / | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:07 |
| Djigorifico | wait a minute | 04:08 |
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| asjWrk | MohammadAG: heh | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | what's the /cdrom for? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dadaism | 04:08 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, i just put it where i see .gnome and .pulse | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | /home/user then | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> Djigorifico: chmod a+x your-file | 04:09 |
| Djigorifico | how do you do that? | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | /cdrom is to enable reading of cdroms, by placing the camera pointing at them on a special stand. | 04:09 |
| Djigorifico | I | 04:09 |
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| MohammadAG | /chmod a+x filename | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, omg, *fires up the camera* | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | do I just hit record? | 04:10 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, so i have to rename it? | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 04:11 |
| MohammadAG | just replace filename with your file's name | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Djigorifico: N900 x terminal -> root; chmod a+x ~user/myFile | 04:11 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he can do it in WinSCP too | 04:11 |
| Djigorifico | ooohh NOW I GET IT | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | amAAAAzing | 04:12 |
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| Djigorifico | remember i'm just a beginner | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 04:12 |
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| ds3 | is the back one for DVDs and the front one for CDs? | 04:12 |
| Djigorifico | MohammadAG, so how do i do it in winscp? | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, there's a terminal icon in the top row icons | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | Djigorifico, give me a min, rebooting into 10.04, if Grub didn't get f'd | 04:13 |
| Djigorifico | ok | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | just checked menu.lst, seems ok | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 04:15 |
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| Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, so i did the chmod a+x | 04:16 |
| Djigorifico | what's next? | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | run the app | 04:17 |
| Djigorifico | where do i find it? | 04:18 |
| Djigorifico | i guess i put the wrong files.. | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | cd into /home/user and ./filename to run it | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - user | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./myFile | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | enjoy errors | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | exit | 04:21 |
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| Djigorifico | i think i missed a step | 04:24 |
| Djigorifico | before i put the file on the device | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the crosscompiling | 04:24 |
| Djigorifico | YEESS! | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> enjoy errors lol | 04:24 |
| Djigorifico | the crosscompiling is the crucial step which no one wants to teach me | 04:25 |
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| * crashanddie fetches a shotgun | 04:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's what MADDE is all about | 04:26 |
| * MohammadAG recoils crashanddie's shotgun | 04:26 | |
| * crashanddie kicks down the door that leads to tmo, starts shooting at every little whining cunt on there | 04:27 | |
| * MohammadAG shoots at Javelin at tmo | 04:27 | |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, hope you brought a lot of ammo. | 04:27 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: impulse 101 | 04:27 |
| * ds3 sees the bullets bending around and screwing in disgust | 04:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you're early with your daily tmo bashing | 04:28 |
| Djigorifico | i still don't get this | 04:28 |
| crashanddie | I don't bash it daily | 04:28 |
| crashanddie | Haven't bashed it in nearly a week | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, ok you bashed particular threads | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: what are you trying to achieve | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hello world | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: RESPECT MA OTORETA! | 04:29 |
| Djigorifico | crashanddie, to put a helloworld app on my n900 | 04:30 |
| Djigorifico | i still have to do the cross compiling | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | ok, what language? | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | what OS? | 04:30 |
| Djigorifico | windows | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt madde on win | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | cross compiling is done in the SDK | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | language???? | 04:31 |
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| Djigorifico | it's supposed to | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt? | 04:31 |
| Djigorifico | qt | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | QT isn't a language for fuck's sake | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so C++? | 04:31 |
| Djigorifico | english | 04:31 |
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| crashanddie | python? C? C++? | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | java? | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | perl? | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | ruby? | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | fortran? | 04:32 |
| Djigorifico | html C hybrid i guess | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | generic qt-creator | 04:32 |
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| * crashanddie facepalms | 04:32 | |
| Djigorifico | http://vimeo.com/9034487 <------ this | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so prolly C++ | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if anything at all | 04:33 |
| ljp | some people think Qt is a language | 04:33 |
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| crashanddie | btw, that's going straight to bash.org | 04:34 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: is PR1.2 out yet? | 04:35 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: is PR1.2 out yet? | 04:35 |
| nax3000 | yes | 04:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks crashanddie | 04:35 | |
| nax3000 | I'm installing it right now | 04:35 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, if only you read Talk everyday. | 04:35 |
| GAN900 | Then you, too, could bash it everyday. | 04:36 |
| nax3000 | so long, thanks for all the fish. | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *never* read tmo | 04:36 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, never | 04:36 |
| MohammadAG | except that OTG thread :P | 04:36 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, 'xactly | 04:36 |
| crashanddie | There's, at this very moment, maybe a handful of good threads | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | all the rest should be locked and sent into the archives | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | if only they had a big red light to spot them | 04:37 |
| Djigorifico | crashanddie, C++ | 04:37 |
| GAN900 | It's interesting how much the useful traffic has dropped since MeeGo hit. | 04:38 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, http://mwkn.net | 04:38 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: OK. I have never used MADDE, so I would recommend that you get a Linux virtual machine (VMWare Player with Ubuntu 9.x) and install the Maemo SDK on there | 04:39 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: that is the most robust and proven solution at this point | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: hmm? Think I occasionally lok at that blog | 04:39 |
| Djigorifico | got it | 04:39 |
| GAN900 | I like how's it's effectively "Two of your council persons make semi-dubtle digs against Nokia while summarizing Maemo news" | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | look | 04:39 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: not a blog | 04:40 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, just occasionally? :( | 04:40 |
| GAN900 | s/dubtle/subtle/ | 04:40 |
| Djigorifico | wait wait | 04:40 |
| Djigorifico | maemo sdk or ubuntu? | 04:40 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: seriously? That's what they say about MWKN? | 04:40 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: ubuntu is a linux distribution, based on Debian. Maemo SDK requires a debian-based Linux distribution in order to function properly | 04:41 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, who says? | 04:41 |
| GAN900 | I said that. | 04:41 |
| GAN900 | Just now. | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: why the quotes then? | 04:41 |
| Djigorifico | crashanddie, i got the ubuntu on Virtualbox | 04:42 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, style thing? | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | k | 04:42 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, go onto the qt site and follow the installation guides and make sure you have the latest qt creator sdk which was announced just this week to have inbuilt support - and not by following a 3 month old video | 04:42 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: seriously, your lack of a decent sleeping pattern is somewhat inspiring, but really just insane. | 04:44 |
| Djigorifico | lcuk, on ubuntu or windows? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | i agree | 04:44 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, i dunno, go find out and follow the qt guides | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-P | 04:45 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, jacob has spent most of the evening doubled over yowling in pain :( i couldnt sleep even if i wanted to hes been sat with me | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: well, you read my take on MWKN, I think it's a shame, but I think we may have rushed the first releases | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: damn, what's up with the little man? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | wind | 04:46 |
| Djigorifico | why is everyone sending me to places but i never get stuff done? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | lots of wind | 04:46 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, not sure I get that. What takes? | 04:46 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, inbuilt support is essentially brand new | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: my explanation on the MWKN ML | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: because you should stop asking and start searching/finding? | 04:47 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, ah | 04:47 |
| lcuk | working from windows to develop qt apps (MADDE) is new also, it may have growling bears | 04:47 |
| crashanddie | I wouldn't trust it | 04:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers attracting massive fire when rising identical concerns at #meego -- "wait until initial release, then apply patches. You may even try to cancel subsystems in favour of a better architecture. But only after the wrong thing got published" | 04:47 | |
| lcuk | its on windows - up until this point to develop maemo you basically had to be running linux | 04:47 |
| Djigorifico | i thought this channel was for help | 04:47 |
| lcuk | and what have they spent the last 5 hours trying to do? | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: it is help, not spoonfeeding though | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: so helping you setup a way to send files to your N900 wasn't help? | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: explaining to you how you need specific flags on files before you can execute them, explaining that you should avoid the common pitfall of putting that file on the 32gb partition wasn't help? | 04:49 |
| Djigorifico | i dunno.. | 04:49 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: your lack of understanding, and your lack of knowing how to ask questions isn't our fault | 04:49 |
| lcuk | Djigorifico, we *want* you to win - i can give you a single file now that runs pyqt that you can use your winscp to edit and run software immediately on your n900 | 04:49 |
| crashanddie | and replying "HTML C Hybrid" when being asked what question just tells me you need to go back to reading a bunch of material before we even try to help you, for we will make assumptions about your knowledge that will a/ confuse you, b/ disappoint you, c/ infurriate you. | 04:50 |
| lcuk | but i cant configure qt creator and your network to make some random compiled code run for you | 04:50 |
| crashanddie | </rant> | 04:50 |
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| Djigorifico | hmm maybe i know too little to be in this channel | 04:51 |
| crashanddie | If you want to go the proven way, the one I was talking about, one google gave me this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 04:51 |
| crashanddie | another google, about madde and windows, gave me this http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows | 04:52 |
| crashanddie | And then, after lcuk mentionned the new release, I googled a bit, found Nokia's press release, and found two links in it | 04:53 |
| crashanddie | pointing to http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/Tools/IDEs/Nokia_Qt_SDK/ and http://qt.nokia.com/products/developer-tools | 04:53 |
| crashanddie | Hope this helps, | 04:54 |
| swc|666 | meh, vim ftw :) | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I'm amazed of your patience today :-P Seems tmo bashing helps a lot to keep your mood up | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: It's my last day at work \o/ | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I'm going home tomorrow \o/ \o/ \o/ | 04:55 |
| Djigorifico | i never get those when i google | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: use specific keywords | 04:55 |
| Djigorifico | but i always get those linux stuff that i cant work with | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | Djigorifico: for those, I googled "maemo qt creator windows" (1st hit), or "maemo sdk installation" (3rd hit), or "nokia qt mobile" (4th hit) | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw maemo *is*lnux | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | After a while you just start recognising patterns in the URLs. If it's just "qt.nokia.com", you know it's going to be advertising and marketing crap. However if it's "forum.nokia.com/Tools_Docs_and_Code/...", well, you can safely assume you're going in the right direction | 04:58 |
| Djigorifico | DocScrutinizer, I know that but i have windows running on my pc | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if you feel venturous you may try to use windows for developer platform. But you inevitably have to cope with linux target platform | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and all the knowledge needed is about maemo aka linux | 04:59 |
| * crashanddie switches to company VPN, might get disconnected | 05:00 | |
| Djigorifico | how long have you guys been working with linux? | 05:00 |
| asjWrk | 16 years | 05:00 |
| crashanddie | 15 years, going 16 | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 12 years? nah 15 prolly | 05:00 |
| MohammadAG | as old as I am then :P | 05:00 |
| asjWrk | MohammadAG: Children are meant to be seen, not heard. ;) | 05:01 |
| crashanddie | s/seen/beaten/ | 05:01 |
| * MohammadAG shoots crashanddie | 05:01 | |
| Djigorifico | hmmm | 05:02 |
| Djigorifico | i'm 20 years old | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | 2005. :P | 05:02 |
| asjWrk | though, I'm fairly certain you don't need 15 years experiance with linux to write for maemo | 05:02 |
| crashanddie | nor 15 years experience either. | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I had a gentle start on linux, coming from AmigaOS | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and NeXT | 05:03 |
| asjWrk | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry | 05:03 |
| Djigorifico | i had ubuntu a year ago..didnt like it | 05:04 |
| MohammadAG | Night #maemo o/ | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ubuntu: http://xkcd.com/424/ | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nite moh | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 05:05 |
| Djigorifico | but ok guys ill read the qt tutorials tomorrow and ill get back with you | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 05:07 |
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| yigal | other than the SU-8W are there any other external keyboards that work with the n900? | 05:16 |
| yigal | I'm just saying, calling the n900 a portable computer is rather silly if a keyboard meant for 10 fingers cannot be used with it, imo | 05:19 |
| asjWrk | who said a computer required a keyboard? | 05:19 |
| swc|666 | exactly | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yigal: anyway all reports about working external kbds highly appreciated | 05:20 |
| crashanddie | Apple BT keyboard doesn't work | 05:20 |
| yigal | asjWrk: a computer doesn't require a keyboard. I require a keyboard to work comfortably with a computer | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:21 |
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| asjWrk | yigal: nah, you do it every day | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wait until some crack manages to enable hostmode in friggin musb_hdrc kernel driver. Then simply hook up arbitrary USB-kbd | 05:22 |
| yigal | yes, that is the only thing that is holding me back from an n900 purchase | 05:22 |
| * asjWrk boggles | 05:23 | |
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| yigal | my fingers are perhaps a bit faster than the average but they aren't fast enough to use a thumb keyboard to program on. | 05:25 |
| Termana_n810 | yello | 05:26 |
| yigal | green | 05:26 |
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| yigal | blue | 05:26 |
| yigal | indigo | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've seen people twittering from congresses faster than the speakers talked - right GAN900 ? | 05:26 |
| yigal | violet | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hell yes. | 05:27 |
| yigal | DocScrutinizer: it just seem ergonomically reasonable to require the thumbs to do all the work | 05:27 |
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| yigal | s/+un/reasonable | 05:27 |
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| crashanddie | yigal: s/reas/unreas/ | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | yigal: then get a netbook or laptop | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | yigal: don't tell me you didn't know of the form factor when you bought it | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the magic box with inside twice the outside isn't invented yet | 05:29 |
| crashanddie | Actually, it already has, but we're just not aware of it | 05:29 |
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| yigal | crashanddie: I haven't bought it, I'm waiting to buy it when an external keyboard is better supported | 05:30 |
| crashanddie | Proof, The 10th Doctor being nicknamed "David Ten-inch", even though he always wears pretty tight trousers | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 05:30 |
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| yigal | though I'm uncertain as to why I should respond to you, as you obviously aren't reading what I write | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 05:31 |
| yigal | I'm getting emotional | 05:31 |
| crashanddie | yigal: any particular reason you're here then? | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm feeling bored, which usually is the first tstae of feeling tired | 05:32 |
| crashanddie | yigal: I'm afraid only very little BT keyboards are supported. You've asked a question, we've tried to answer to the best of our knowledge | 05:32 |
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| yigal | crashanddie: yes, to gain an idea of the current state of the support on the n900 for an external keyboard | 05:33 |
| crashanddie | well, there's the Nokia one | 05:33 |
| crashanddie | USB keyboards are out of the question | 05:33 |
| yigal | after reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33397&highlight=keyboard I got an idea | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | why?? | 05:33 |
| yigal | DocScrutinizer: no support for host | 05:33 |
| crashanddie | and sadly people haven't been buying keyboards prior to knowing they are compatible, so everyone sticks to the nokia | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | not YET | 05:34 |
| yigal | so when 1.2 is out I'll get an n900 :D, rofl | 05:34 |
| Macer | so. anybody find amber lamps yet? | 05:34 |
| yigal | perhaps | 05:34 |
| crashanddie | yeah yeah, but that's like saying: "I can't fly my car to Europe" "Why?" "Because flying cars don't exist" "NOT YET!!" | 05:34 |
| Macer | yigal ... get it now ;) | 05:34 |
| Macer | n900 is the best damn phone i have ever had | 05:34 |
| Macer | the update is free :-P haha | 05:35 |
| crashanddie | ever had a saint phone? | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: flying cars exist. So does hostmode | 05:35 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah. didn't they make an actual flying car? | 05:35 |
| Macer | it was a fixed wing but it works :) | 05:35 |
| crashanddie | bollocks | 05:36 |
| crashanddie | flying cars need neutron shift-based technology | 05:36 |
| crashanddie | until we have that, no flying cars | 05:36 |
| Macer | haha | 05:36 |
| yigal | why not, it depends on the definition of a car | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode just needs a driver, really simple huh? | 05:36 |
| Macer | well. i suppose the flying car that was made is more like a car/airplane hybrid | 05:36 |
| yigal | http://www.terrafugia.com/ | 05:37 |
| crashanddie | next you're going to tell me that "flying cars are just waiting for a driver" | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | comparing to neutron-shift | 05:37 |
| crashanddie | wait, that sounds wrong | 05:37 |
| yigal | DocScrutinizer: what about neutron-shift? | 05:37 |
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| Macer | yigal: yeah. that's hte one i remmeber | 05:37 |
| Macer | heh | 05:37 |
| Macer | they need to find a better place to put those wings ;) | 05:38 |
| crashanddie | "More than a decade ago Jean-Marc Levy-Leblond and Daniel Greenberger had independently predicted that a neutron beam passing through a slit would experience a phase shift in its direction of motion." Even though I have read this over and over, I still believe this is porn disguised as geek talk. | 05:38 |
| Macer | you would think they'd havce figured out a way to fold them flush onto the hood of the car | 05:38 |
| yigal | anyways dudes must be off, I have my netbook and G1 for now hopefully external keyboard support, by some means, will be implemented, as soon as it is I'll get me the n900 | 05:39 |
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| yigal | crashanddie: it was brought up in my 1st year graduate qm class I took last semester, oh wait that makes me a geek, damn | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | don't worry | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | nope | 05:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer 's going to kill bme now, and then Mentor for the abysmal musb driver crap | 05:40 | |
| crashanddie | that just makes you a nerd :P | 05:41 |
| yigal | ok ty crashanddie that makes me feel better | 05:41 |
| crashanddie | I try | 05:41 |
| yigal | laters | 05:42 |
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| Macer | i think that thing is more of an airplane :) | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /mode +q #maemo * | 05:42 |
| Macer | 27' wingspan is too wide to simply cut people off and take off into the sky | 05:42 |
| Macer | although i'd love to try it out.. just kind of take off in the middle of chicago :) that would be a sight to see but i'm sure would be kind of difficult with the buildings and bridges and wires etc | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | A british guy built a trike with street aproval, with a prop and a paraglide | 05:43 |
| crashanddie | did you guys read about the guy who got lost on the thames? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember a mini also | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | same concept | 05:44 |
| crashanddie | "A man who thought he was sailing along the coast of southern England had to be rescued by emergency services after his motor boat ran out of fuel while repeatedly circling a small island in the River Thames estuary." | 05:45 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i wonder if you can extend/retract the wings on the move | 05:45 |
| Macer | now that would be worth it :) | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | of the paraglide? | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19373 | 05:47 |
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| Macer | no | 05:49 |
| Macer | the tranisition | 05:49 |
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| Macer | :) | 05:49 |
| Macer | i'd buy one if it could do it on the move | 05:50 |
| Macer | i could see myself taking off whil driving down the highway if nobody is around | 05:50 |
| Macer | especially if it lets me get away with going 115mph | 05:50 |
| Macer | and if 115mph is what they are rated at now i'm sure some plans to make them faster are in the works | 05:52 |
| Macer | anyways. good night. sleepy. | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8-00 | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX71 | 05:53 |
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| crashanddie | Anyone have Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf ? I can't access the websites where it's supposed to be hosted from work | 06:56 |
| crashanddie | Should be here: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mlivoncic/Nokia770%20USB%20Ethernet%20RNDIS.inf | 06:56 |
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| Psi | is easy-deb-chroot quite safe to install and play with? | 07:36 |
| Psi | its in extras, so im guessing it is | 07:36 |
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| sulx | yup | 07:49 |
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| Psi | right, image downloading | 07:53 |
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| misc-- | hi all, does anyone know of a way to write an sms message from an ssh session/terminal that's connected to the n900? | 08:16 |
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| asjWrk | misc--: google it, there's dbus examples | 08:24 |
| misc-- | ah ok. I did search high and low for 900 sms but not with dbus... haven't really looked too much into dbus but will check it out. Thanks | 08:25 |
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| RST38h | Moo, everybody | 08:37 |
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| pronto | rawr you | 08:39 |
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| tybollt | so crashie said friday | 08:50 |
| tybollt | in hk | 08:50 |
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| frals | opdf2: yepp | 08:57 |
| opdf2 | frals: im connected to wifi right now. fmms has havoc mode. i sent myself an mms from another phone and it received it fine. i try to sent one out but it wont. It will if i connected to my internet apn | 08:58 |
| opdf2 | is that intended? | 08:58 |
| opdf2 | basically i see havoc mode working when receiving but not sending | 08:59 |
| frals | uh thats pretty weird | 08:59 |
| frals | could you mail me /tmp/fmms.log? fmms@frals.se | 08:59 |
| opdf2 | k sent | 09:01 |
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| frals | uh seems weird, but havoc mode is an ugly hack so cant really say what goes wrong atm | 09:06 |
| frals | as im not logging what the shellscript does atm ;( | 09:06 |
| opdf2 | i see that okay | 09:06 |
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| wazd_n900 | seriously | 09:18 |
| wazd_n900 | i've missed my train :) | 09:18 |
| tybollt | fly | 09:19 |
| tekojo | stuck in the FRUCT semoinar | 09:19 |
| cehteh | me not :P | 09:19 |
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| * cehteh is on the way to utrecht LAC | 09:20 | |
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| wazd_n900 | bought another one on 3pm :) | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/signlanguage/7646956/Sign-Language-week-98.html?image=10 | 09:21 |
| tybollt | bought another train? | 09:21 |
| tybollt | you some kinda oligarkh wazd? | 09:22 |
| wazd_n900 | tybollt: yeah, I'm buying trains :) | 09:22 |
| wazd_n900 | tyboll | 09:23 |
| wazd_n900 | sht | 09:23 |
| Pforce | :D | 09:23 |
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| tybollt | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/6193716/Sign-Language-special-restaurant-menus.html | 09:24 |
| wazd_n900 | may I use e63 keyboard with n900 please?) | 09:24 |
| tybollt | I was in egypt a week ago | 09:24 |
| KnightStalker | I have random issues with missing applications... | 09:24 |
| tybollt | they had 'foul' on the breakfast menu every day... some kinda eggplant something | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01360/sign-stairs_1360515i.jpg | 09:25 |
| KnightStalker | application manager wont install something because another application is missing,but when I try to install it via xterminal it says I already have the newest version | 09:25 |
| KnightStalker | any body knows what exactly is the issue? | 09:25 |
| mece | hello | 09:25 |
| KnightStalker | mece,welcome back <3 | 09:25 |
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| mece | KnightStalker, if you're referring to qt4 apps then it's the pr1.2 problem. | 09:26 |
| mece | Which app is it? | 09:26 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: :) | 09:26 |
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| KnightStalker | QtIrreco... :O | 09:26 |
| KnightStalker | its qt... | 09:26 |
| mece | yeah.. | 09:26 |
| KnightStalker | any one filled a bug report? | 09:26 |
| mece | you could install the previous version | 09:26 |
| KnightStalker | I want to vote for it :P | 09:26 |
| mece | KnightStalker, it's not a bug really. | 09:26 |
| KnightStalker | oh?you mean downgrading to pr1.1? | 09:27 |
| KnightStalker | how? | 09:27 |
| mece | Knightstalker, hold on. I'll check. | 09:27 |
| KnightStalker | Thanks | 09:27 |
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| wazd_n900 | btw, any pr 1.2 news? ;P | 09:27 |
| wazd_n900 | don't kick me! :) | 09:28 |
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| mece | ~pr1.2 | 09:28 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. | 09:28 |
| mece | :) | 09:28 |
| KnightStalker | " pr1.2 is not here yet" o.O | 09:29 |
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| KnightStalker | mece? :O | 09:29 |
| KnightStalker | so how can I have it? :P | 09:29 |
| wazd_n900 | stupid russian keyboard layout... | 09:30 |
| tybollt | mece: hey I was wondering about this new firmw... ;) | 09:30 |
| misc-- | is there a way to get an on-screen T9 keyboard layout happening when sending sms? =) | 09:31 |
| crashanddie | Now that's what I call a "dead end" http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01299/sign-cemetary_1299779i.jpg | 09:31 |
| KnightStalker | lol | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | KnightStalker: you can't | 09:32 |
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| KnightStalker | well I know that | 09:33 |
| KnightStalker | but the problem is this => "<mece> KnightStalker, if you're referring to qt4 apps then it's the pr1.2 problem." | 09:33 |
| KnightStalker | :\ | 09:33 |
| KnightStalker | I can not install qt4 apps either | 09:33 |
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| crashanddie | KnightStalker: welcome to our "knightmare" | 09:34 |
| crashanddie | :P | 09:34 |
| KnightStalker | o.O | 09:34 |
| KnightStalker | lol | 09:34 |
| crashanddie | and you can stop using stupid smileys all over the place | 09:35 |
| KnightStalker | hmm,they are not stupid | 09:35 |
| TigerTael | Emoticons. | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | s/stupid/unnecessary/ | 09:35 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: and you can stop using unnecessary smileys all over the place | 09:35 |
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| TigerTael | Will that work for me as well if I tried to correct somebody elses sentence? | 09:36 |
| KnightStalker | better | 09:36 |
| mece | damn.. this is not so simple | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: nope, only works for your own last sentence, can only do it once, too | 09:37 |
| KnightStalker | but it wasn't a "spelling" issue you made | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | "spelling issue" | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | nuff said | 09:37 |
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| TigerTael | crashanddie, ah, thanks. It's cool, but I would really want to make it work universally if I was coding it. ;/ | 09:38 |
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| crashanddie | TigerTael: nha, it would ruin everyone's conversation tbh | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | test test test | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | s/test/tested/ | 09:38 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: tested test test | 09:38 |
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| crashanddie | test test test | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | s/test/tested/g | 09:38 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: tested tested tested | 09:38 |
| crashanddie | test | 09:39 |
| TigerTael | Oho... | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | s/test/TEST/ | 09:39 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: TEST | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | test | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | s/TEST/TEST/ | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | test | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | s/TEST/TEST/i | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | fail | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | ~useless | 09:39 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 09:39 | |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: quite frankly, infobot is probably one of the better drops out there. Fast, low memory footprint, and pretty damn smart | 09:40 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, it is pretty neat. | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | ~status | 09:40 |
| infobot | Since Thu Apr 22 05:50:03 2010, there have been 25 modifications, 429 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 243 commands. I have been awake for 8d 50m 50s this session, and currently reference 116983 factoids. I'm using about 22436 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 22681.14/631.52 child 0.09/0.04 | 09:40 |
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| crashanddie | ~channels | 09:41 |
| crashanddie | ~chaninfo | 09:41 |
| infobot | I'm on 107 channels: #debian/889, #maemo/515, #meego/365, #kde/347, #gsoc/311, #asterisk/243, #openmoko/172, #wowace/149, #webos-internals/134, #oe/133, #wowuidev/117, #sc2mapster/115, #wowhead/100, #openmoko-cdevel/99, #htc-linux/87, #utah/63, #tomcat/57, #edev/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/53, #curseforge/49, #uclibc/47, #wowwiki/47, #slug/46, #elinux/40, #gllug/35, #uphpu/33, #/32, #norganna/32, #utos/30, #openjtag/25, #brlcad/24, #handhelds/23, ... | 09:41 |
| infobot | i've cached 5030 users, 3676 unique users, distributed over 107 channels. | 09:41 |
| crashanddie | not too bad for 20 megs of ram | 09:42 |
| TigerTael | Agreed. | 09:42 |
| crashanddie | interestingly, that's 1500 users who share some channels | 09:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 09:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | having two n900s stacked w/ alarms set for the same time can be interesting | 09:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i got an audio cascade | 09:45 |
| mece | KnightStalker, disable extras-devel and install qtirreco. | 09:45 |
| Corsac | did they vibrate in resonance? | 09:45 |
| aSIMULAtor | did we get the same alarm reminder :P | 09:46 |
| KnightStalker | mece,okay,thx | 09:46 |
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| mece | Knightstalker, you need extras-testing enabled though. | 09:49 |
| KnightStalker | k | 09:49 |
| tybollt | hoareyou | 09:49 |
| tybollt | ~whoareyou | 09:49 |
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| tybollt | ~who | 09:50 |
| mece | Knightstalker, The latest version, in extras-devel will need pr1.2. Or you could download source from devel, change deps from libqt4-core to libqt4-maemo5-core in the control file, build deb and install on device. | 09:50 |
| KnightStalker | Well,I just gavfe an example on something which doesn't work because of qt :p | 09:51 |
| KnightStalker | gave* | 09:51 |
| KnightStalker | I thought there might be easier steps | 09:51 |
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| KnightStalker | anyways,how good do phototranslator work? | 09:52 |
| KnightStalker | brb | 09:53 |
| zokier | KnightStalker, yeah, sorry about that qtirreco mess. qt4.6 version shouldn't been uploaded to repositories | 09:54 |
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| mece | zokier, you're the maintainer? | 09:54 |
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| zokier | mece, i try not to be, but i'm involved, yes | 09:55 |
| tybollt | is uploading things to repos a one way street? | 09:55 |
| mece | tybollt, well you can always replace the stuff you just uploaded. | 09:55 |
| tybollt | there is no way of taking down a faulty (or as in this case - not ready to be released) pkg? | 09:55 |
| tybollt | mece: heh I guess | 09:56 |
| * tybollt guess zokier can do that then | 09:56 | |
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| mece | zokier, any chance you could make a temporary version that depends on libqt4-maemo5-* instead of libqt4-* until we get pr-12? | 09:56 |
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| mece | zokier, all you really need is replace the deps in control, I believe. | 09:56 |
| zokier | i don't have access to repository yet, but i'll forward that request to the actual maintainers | 09:58 |
| mece | zokier, ok, thanks. | 09:58 |
| mece | in the meantime, I could actually build from source one and put it on my own server if people really need it. | 09:58 |
| mece | if I remembered to close my session at home. My buildbox is in x86 mode, and I can't switch unless I close the previous sessions. | 09:59 |
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| crashanddie | mece: kill your friend | 10:00 |
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| sejo | hey has anyone written a howto yet for creating a python package on the sdk? | 10:00 |
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| mece | sejo, no, but I can tell you. | 10:00 |
| sejo | trying to find one but none explain the process completely | 10:00 |
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| mece | sejo, using pypackager. | 10:00 |
| sejo | pypackager cool I'll google it | 10:00 |
| mece | it's in the repos. | 10:01 |
| sejo | great! | 10:01 |
| sejo | thx! | 10:01 |
| mece | sejo, I can tell you how to build the package if you want. | 10:01 |
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| sejo | mece found this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=74887&postcount=6 | 10:02 |
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| mece | sejo, yep. you also need to make the actual script. I'll look up a sample for you. | 10:04 |
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| sejo | thx mece! | 10:04 |
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| mece | sejo, http://pastebin.com/WPxLzaKc | 10:08 |
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| mece | sejo modify that to match your program | 10:08 |
| sejo | ~thx checking it now! | 10:09 |
| mece | then you create the whole tree under src/ with all the files in the right places. Including .desktop files and whatnot. | 10:09 |
| mece | if you need optification through symlinking, you can make symlinks in debian/postinst file. | 10:10 |
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| sejo | ach cool | 10:11 |
| sejo | need to vrite a generation script first that will move them correctly | 10:11 |
| mece | sejo, well that's what the script I posted does. | 10:11 |
| mece | it creates the debian/rules and control | 10:11 |
| sejo | also I have some modules it needs should I first install it with a setup.py? or set my pythonpath in the bin? | 10:12 |
| mece | sejo, and in that script it moves the file to their correct places, following the pattern showed in the tree under src/ | 10:12 |
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| mece | sejo, hmm.. if they are small you can just install them into the correct place. | 10:12 |
| sejo | ok thx | 10:12 |
| sejo | let's test :p | 10:13 |
| mece | sejo, :) | 10:13 |
| mece | sejo, if you want the debian files visible, just unpack the tar the script creates, and you can modify them manually. | 10:13 |
| mece | sejo, you can do this on the device btw. you don't need a computer. | 10:14 |
| sejo | cool i'll be doing it in the sdk probably | 10:15 |
| mece | sejo, perhaps safer at first :) | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | logging off from work for the last time | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | bye | 10:15 |
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| mece | sejo, I have a clone of my git repos on the device, so I can update packages to extras-devel while on the move :) Only python stuff though. I don't have compilers on the device. | 10:16 |
| sejo | mece: that is actually a good idea | 10:16 |
| mece | sejo, git ftw! | 10:16 |
| sejo | just created a new repo only for the maemo app and moving the suff according | 10:17 |
| mece | all you need is git-core and pypackager | 10:17 |
| sejo | yeah I'm a git lover also | 10:17 |
| mece | sejo, cloning my first git repo to the device was one of those "Holy fuck this is awesome!" moment's with the N900 :) | 10:19 |
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| mece | s/fuck/frak | 10:20 |
| mece | ~curse infobot | 10:20 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot ! | 10:20 |
| sejo | mece with me it was the native irssi! | 10:20 |
| sejo | lol | 10:20 |
| mece | sejo :) heh, Irssi was the first program I compiled for the N900. It wasn't in the repos yet then. | 10:21 |
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| sejo | thank you for that mece! | 10:24 |
| sejo | used it a lot already! | 10:24 |
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| mece | sejo, well I didn't compile that one. I just compiled and installed for myself :P Someone else upped to the repos. | 10:26 |
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| sejo | hehe | 10:30 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:31 |
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| sejo | mece: can I put a svg logo in the packager script? | 10:35 |
| mece | sejo.. umm. I dont think so. not sure. Try it. | 10:36 |
| mece | I don't know if you can create xpm from svg with that script | 10:37 |
| sejo | well I can test :p | 10:37 |
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| sejo | mece: pypackager only in extras-devel? | 10:43 |
| mece | sejo, I think so. It's for developing ;) | 10:43 |
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| sejo | mece: hmm my sdk install doesn't find it | 10:44 |
| * sejo debugs | 10:44 | |
| mece | sejo, add devel to /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:44 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:47 |
| sejo | mece I added deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 10:47 |
| sejo | hey Jaffa | 10:47 |
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| mece | sejo, that should do it. | 10:53 |
| sejo | apt-cache search pypackager | 10:53 |
| sejo | shows nothing :/ | 10:53 |
| mece | did you apt-get update | 10:54 |
| sejo | yes | 10:54 |
| mece | sejo, switch to arm target | 10:55 |
| sejo | k | 10:55 |
| mece | appears it's only arm: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pypackager/ | 10:55 |
| mece | it should work on both though.. | 10:56 |
| mece | ~seen Khertan | 10:56 |
| infobot | khertan <~d4eabb96@gateway/web/freenode/x-iutytmbmttrlbing> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 48m 17s ago, saying: '(starcraft voice)'. | 10:56 |
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| mece | hmm something's wrong with the kinetic scrolling in my pyside app.. | 10:58 |
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| Psi | ok, so i installed easy-deb-chroot, and everything worked fine, i had the wm running under mameo but i just rebooted my phone and it now it isnt booting :( | 10:59 |
| Psi | its definitly a software issue, as it almost gets into maemo, but the desktop doesnt load, i just get one web shortcut in the top left corner and the rest of the screen is black | 11:00 |
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| Psi | any ideas | 11:01 |
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| mece | hey how the hell do you comment out blocks in python? | 11:02 |
| sejo | # | 11:03 |
| sejo | :p | 11:03 |
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| mece | but is there a /* asdf */ equivalent? | 11:03 |
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| mece | I don't feel like typin # 100 times. | 11:03 |
| jacekowski | mece: google | 11:03 |
| mece | i don't like google. | 11:03 |
| mece | but I can yahoo search it :P | 11:03 |
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| mece | ah """ apparently. Good to know. | 11:05 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: use an IDE that allows you to put # in front of any number of selected lines | 11:05 |
| mece | Shapeshifter well """ works like /* | 11:06 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: you're supposed to put """ foobla """ under every function declaration btw to document its purpose. this is the way to specify stuff for the automatic api generation | 11:06 |
| Shapeshifter | just as a random bit of info | 11:06 |
| mece | Shapeshifter Good to know. | 11:07 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0257/ if you're interested | 11:07 |
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| mece | Shapeshifter, I am but donät have time right now. thanks., | 11:08 |
| mece | if 0: | 11:08 |
| mece | also works, if you indent | 11:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | mece: well, if you're on the train and have nothing to do, consider reading this as well: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 11:09 |
| Shapeshifter | makes for beautiful code | 11:10 |
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| crashanddie | So that's it | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | I'm jobless :) | 11:12 |
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| Termana_n810 | crashanddie, but your moving anyway :P | 11:13 |
| mece | crashanddie, did you quit? | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | aye | 11:13 |
| zokier | KnightStalker, mece, http://mercury.wipsl.com/qtirreco_0.4.0-0maemo0_armel.deb i made a package, it might eat your babies etc, but should install on pr1.1 | 11:13 |
| Psi | so no ones seem this black screen with one icon issue after easy-deb-chroot install? | 11:13 |
| Psi | seem=seen | 11:14 |
| mece | zokier, cool, thanks. | 11:14 |
| mece | zokier, mind if I post it in tmo? | 11:14 |
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| mece | zokier, or actually you could do it yourself if you have time. | 11:14 |
| zokier | uuh, scary... feel free if you want | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | Termana_n810: yeah, but still, pretty weird to not have a job for the first time | 11:16 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: Still you had the cojones to tell them to fuck off I suppose? There's the hundreds of thousands of the rest of us who don't... who just grind on day to day taking it up the bum from the management etc... :-/ | 11:17 |
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| crashanddie | Well, I just helped increase their over budgetness by a 100k probably :P | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | I guess that's about as "fuck off" as it gets :D | 11:18 |
| tybollt | Oh o.O, how? | 11:18 |
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| crashanddie | well, by having them pay for the relocation, legal fees, visas, etc, and they still have to find someone else :P | 11:19 |
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| tybollt | :) | 11:20 |
| tybollt | staying in au then? | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | nope | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | flying out tomorow | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | +r | 11:21 |
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| tybollt | how did you like the place then? | 11:21 |
| * Psi reflashes | 11:22 | |
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| florian | good morning | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | well, I guess it would be nice if I had some people to hang out with, and a job that made me want to work | 11:22 |
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| mikki-kun | hi uhm, which key on the keyboard of the n900 will be considered As the meta-key? | 11:27 |
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| sejo | mece: after running the script i need to run the dh thingie right? | 11:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: it doesn't have a meta key. ctrl is ctrl, FN is AltGr, Shift is Shift. | 11:35 |
| Shapeshifter | There's no Alt/Meta/Super | 11:35 |
| Shapeshifter | although... not sure what ctrl-shift is. maybe it's Alt | 11:35 |
| Shapeshifter | on a desktop it isn't though. | 11:36 |
| mikki-kun | hm... i noticed that the RTRN key has the funkrion 'KB-Return' | 11:37 |
| mikki-kun | can that be changed to Return | 11:37 |
| mikki-kun | or would that break my return-key? | 11:37 |
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| mikki-kun | uhm well, gotta do now some stuff | 11:41 |
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| wazd_n900 | reheya all | 11:57 |
| d14 | o/ | 11:58 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ping | 12:18 |
| * SpeedEvil yawns. | 12:18 | |
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| pupnik | i need a finnish-english-finnish translator app | 12:34 |
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| pupnik | or dictionary | 12:36 |
| `0660 | :) | 12:37 |
| Surfa | www.ilmainensanakirja.fi | 12:37 |
| Surfa | :) | 12:37 |
| Surfa | ka `0660 | 12:38 |
| Surfa | länge sen sist jne | 12:38 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: meh | 12:40 |
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| `0660 | haven't been in finland for a while now :( | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | fmms is just sitting there saying "Resizing and sending..." | 12:40 |
| pupnik | ty surfa :) | 12:40 |
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| Surfa | `0660, :o | 12:41 |
| `0660 | i moved to australia in 2007 | 12:42 |
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| `0660 | and last visited finland in 2008 :/ | 12:43 |
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| Surfa | oh, haven't heard of it | 12:44 |
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| tybollt | ehm how do I do "lsof" without the lsof command on a linux machine? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | fuser may help in some cases | 12:45 |
| pupnik | learn the useful fuser flags | 12:46 |
| tybollt | thanks | 12:46 |
| MAK_ | MohammadAg_: hi every thing ok thnx again and again | 12:48 |
| Surfa | tybollt, depends on what you're trying to do with it? | 12:49 |
| Surfa | some people use lsof for printing listen inet socket information that may also be printed with netstat e.g. | 12:49 |
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| pupnik | IRSSI: FS#729 : In default theme, own nick and actions are hardcoded white. http://bugs.irssi.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=729 | 12:53 |
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| tybollt | hmm yeah | 12:56 |
| tybollt | I need to find out which file is hogging the FS | 12:56 |
| tybollt | s/file/proc/ | 12:56 |
| infobot | tybollt meant: I need to find out which proc is hogging the FS | 12:56 |
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| jacekowski | ncdu | 12:58 |
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| mikki-kun | puh | 13:04 |
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| mikki-kun | damn, that was harsh... | 13:04 |
| mikki-kun | `0660: may i ask where you come from in finland? | 13:05 |
| `0660 | lieksa->tampere | 13:05 |
| mikki-kun | mehh, i really should know more of my country >.< | 13:05 |
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| mikki-kun | born finn, but grew up in germany, then moved to TH | 13:06 |
| `0660 | :P | 13:06 |
| mikki-kun | but it says something to me | 13:06 |
| `0660 | th? | 13:06 |
| mikki-kun | thailand | 13:06 |
| mikki-kun | nearly killed myself in the sun doing gardening work XD | 13:07 |
| `0660 | i don't think that's a problem in finland right now :) | 13:07 |
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| mikki-kun | yeah, not at all | 13:08 |
| mikki-kun | yay, at least i had an idea where tampere was :D | 13:08 |
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| th3hate | Can anyone answer my question here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634762#post634762 | 13:13 |
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| KnightStalker | Hey :P | 13:14 |
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| KnightStalker | zokier,well,when I downloaded my TV controler,it seemed that it is on a building mode or something,how to use the controler? | 13:15 |
| KnightStalker | do any one know? | 13:15 |
| mikki-kun | th3hate: i think that most apps/games have either seperate language files or the language is coded in the sourcecode of it | 13:15 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:16 |
| KnightStalker | morning =) | 13:16 |
| Surfa | localization is pretty important in games.. | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | morning lardman | 13:17 |
| KnightStalker | stskeeps <3 | 13:17 |
| Surfa | youngsters are often main target group for them and their language knowledge is pretty limited often | 13:17 |
| lardman | hey Stskeeps, KnightStalker | 13:17 |
| * Stskeeps glares at KnightStalker | 13:17 | |
| lardman | dare I ask is pr1.2 is out yet? ;) | 13:18 |
| * KnightStalker slaps Stskeeps with his last question,I am mean,amn't I? :P | 13:18 | |
| Stskeeps | what question? :P | 13:18 |
| KnightStalker | "when I downloaded my TV controler,it seemed that it is on a building mode or something,how to use the controler?" | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea what that is, sorry | 13:19 |
| KnightStalker | no problem ^_^ | 13:20 |
| KnightStalker | I meant qtirreco anyway | 13:20 |
| RST38bis | Irreco is a mess =( | 13:22 |
| zokier | qtirreco is a mess, old irreco atleast seems to be bit better | 13:22 |
| KnightStalker | :o | 13:23 |
| RST38bis | Surfa: Judging from the sample of youngsters available to me, they do not give a shit about localization | 13:23 |
| lardman | I do, fewer "z"s thanks! ;) | 13:23 |
| zokier | KnightStalker, if you are in "edit mode" use "save remote" menu item to return to "normal mode". if you are in normal mode, then the remote *should* be ready to use | 13:23 |
| lardman | not sure I qualify as young mind you | 13:23 |
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| RST38bis | Surfa: Their native reading skills are not that extensive to begin with (1) and they mainly learn game stuff by trial and error anyway (2) | 13:23 |
| Surfa | RST38bis, show me a sample person that plays japanese language game with pleasure | 13:25 |
| * RST38bis suspects that the main market for localization is elderly women at secretarial/accounting jobs | 13:25 | |
| * RST38bis points Surfa toward himself | 13:25 | |
| RST38bis | Works for me, Surfa. | 13:26 |
| Surfa | i can tell you that it's not typical way that people behave | 13:26 |
| Surfa | i've seen plenty of user studies | 13:26 |
| RST38bis | Ok, so I am a nutcase and have not seen a plenty of studies. Tell me something new :) | 13:26 |
| Surfa | localization is very important thing on many markets, also on other applications than games | 13:26 |
| th3hate | im trying to do it | 13:26 |
| lardman | ~curse HAM for being veeerrryyy slow | 13:26 |
| th3hate | see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=634774#post634774 | 13:26 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for being veeerrryyy slow ! | 13:26 |
| Surfa | RST38bis, no need to be so offending, that's just typical that people think that other people do things as they do.. that's why user studies are needed for some things | 13:28 |
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| Surfa | cultural and lanuage barriers are no fake problem in global industry | 13:28 |
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| * RST38bis politely informs Surfa that he is (1) bilingual and (2) expat in a non-english speaking country | 13:30 | |
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| RST38bis | And no, I have not yet seen any widespread problems with English UIs here, outside of the above category | 13:30 |
| Surfa | RST38bis, i can't see relation to this discussion.. please explain more | 13:30 |
| Surfa | where is that? | 13:31 |
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| Surfa | it doesn't mean that there are problems, but it certainly slows down adoption speed within natives | 13:32 |
| RST38bis | Surfa: I have been hinting that yes, I see enough users and usage scenarios to have my own statistics | 13:32 |
| Surfa | and still you think that english ui is enough for most people? | 13:32 |
| RST38bis | Surfa: And my statistics clearly show that almost nobody gives a damn | 13:32 |
| RST38bis | Surfa: Yes, that is exactly what I think | 13:32 |
| Surfa | and studies are about people who already use those things? because otherwise those studies don't make much sense | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | there's a reason for localisation to be the one and only top priority for most UIs | 13:33 |
| RST38bis | Localization may be somewhat useful, but it definitely isn't worth the effort it normally takes. | 13:33 |
| brik | for younger people who haven't learned a lot of english yet, people that don't learn that much english at all (it happens) and older people (my mum's age), english wouldn't cut it | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | and your stats don't disprove didly squat | 13:33 |
| Surfa | RST38bis, depends on what countries you're acting on | 13:34 |
| Surfa | you just can't play with english only uis on developing countries | 13:34 |
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| RST38bis | Surfa: Pretty much any country. Your typical UI requires knowledge of a dozen English words | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | spain exclusively uses spanish UIs, same for France, Italy a tiny bit less, but mostly, Belgium, Holland, Germany, etc | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | and those aren't developing country | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | s/try/tries/ | 13:35 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: and those aren't developing countries | 13:35 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, in developing countries things are even worse on that | 13:35 |
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| RST38bis | Surfa: Any person unable to learn a dozen combinations of letters can't read his own language , most likely | 13:35 |
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| Surfa | RST38bis, localization is not limited to textual output you know? | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | RST38bis: with all due respect, I think you're talking biased bullshit | 13:35 |
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| RST38bis | I am always talking biased bullshit, crash. Haven't you noticed? :) | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | sure, just felt necessary to point it out this time round | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | (everyone talks biased bull) | 13:36 |
| RST38bis | Except that mine usually checks well again reality | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | not in this case | 13:36 |
| RST38bis | Or at least the part of reality I get to observe | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | seriously, where are you now? | 13:37 |
| `0660 | in a mushroom land? :) | 13:37 |
| Surfa | `0660, my guess exactly :D | 13:37 |
| RST38bis | crash: Russia. Non-English speaking country. Non-Roman alphabet. Very few people care if the UI is in Russian or not. | 13:37 |
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| zokier | localization/i18n is kinda nice, but translations are usually just horrible | 13:38 |
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| crashanddie | RST38bis: I don't know what circles you play with, but when I was in the Ukraine and Russia, even in highly technical outlets, I only had russian keyboards, and russian UIs | 13:38 |
| RST38bis | The documentation better be written in Russian of course, but that is different from the UI. | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find me ranting about this on this very channel in the logs | 13:38 |
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| RST38bis | crashanddie: How long have you been here? | 13:39 |
| zokier | i'm in finland and every piece of software i use is in english, both at work and at home. | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | RST38bis: I spent in total 2 months in the Ukraine, and about 3-4 weeks in Russia | 13:39 |
| Surfa | zokier, well, finland and netherlands are completely different world, they are more english speaking countries than uk in most cases ;) | 13:39 |
| `0660 | zokier, that is only because you work in it? :) | 13:39 |
| Surfa | i've met englishmen that think that most finns speak better english than they do | 13:40 |
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| `0660 | it->IT | 13:40 |
| tybollt | zokier: that's because finnish is a fucked language | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: except for their bloody horrendous accent | 13:40 |
| zokier | `0660, probably, yes | 13:40 |
| tybollt | finnish-ugrian | 13:40 |
| tybollt | it's only got hungary in the same language group IIRC | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | zokier: Sweden is an exception I have to admit, northern Europe is very English friendly | 13:40 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, depends on a finn too, some don't have accent almost at all | 13:40 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: huh? How is sweden an exception? | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: how come 100% of Nokia have horrendous accents then? | 13:41 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: can you reproduce it? | 13:41 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, not really 100% | 13:41 |
| Surfa | maybe 90% | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: sweden is an exception in the way that you guys are very English friendly? | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: ok, Ari has an OK accent when he wants | 13:41 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: because finnish is in the wrong language group. The only two languages (IIRC) in this language group finnish-ugrian is finnish and hungarian | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: you lost me | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | oh, finnish, k | 13:42 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: yes, yes we are :) | 13:42 |
| lardman | crashanddie: you in La France now? | 13:42 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: gotcha | 13:42 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, many people have relatively junnoticeable accent when they don't have too much feelings going on | 13:42 |
| tybollt | everyone can speak english in .se | 13:42 |
| tybollt | _everyone_ | 13:42 |
| RST38bis | crashanddie: Isn't that kinda short? | 13:42 |
| Surfa | tybollt, that's not true :) really | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: ask any northern european to say "Junior", and all of them will say "you-nior" | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | lardman: pas encore | 13:43 |
| Surfa | take a farmer in south sweden and speak english to him | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | lardman: taking off tomorrow around lunch, landing on Sunday 3PM | 13:43 |
| lardman | cool, have a good trip | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | have a 6 hours standstill in London | 13:43 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, if some words make accent horrible for you, then agreed.. some words are just impossible to pronounce correctly for a finn | 13:43 |
| adeus | take a farmer in south sweden and try to speak swedish to him | 13:44 |
| tybollt | not like in finland where you get a "MITÄÄÄÄÄÄ?" if you even mention english ;) | 13:44 |
| adeus | won't understand anything with the skåne accent | 13:44 |
| tybollt | or something | 13:44 |
| tybollt | :) | 13:44 |
| Surfa | tybollt, that's ridiculous you know and has nothing to do with real deal | 13:44 |
| Surfa | most of germand can speak even german in finland and they manage very well, and english is much easier | 13:44 |
| tybollt | I may be exagerating slightly ;) | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | that's because most germans' english sucks donkey balls | 13:45 |
| Surfa | slightly right.. :) | 13:45 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: it looks like the vodafone apn settings that worked previously on the wiki do not work now, gonna try n figure out why - does take a good few minutes before it errors out though | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | only generation Y is saving the day in Germany, generation X and B have very poor English skills | 13:45 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: i saw someone complain about it in the thread today as well | 13:46 |
| Surfa | tybollt, i'd say take any <40years old finn and you do just fine with english, if he/she just wants to language skills won't be a problem | 13:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh complaints, gotta love em ;) | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: with the international language of techno? | 13:46 |
| noobmonk3y | i'll figure out what happenned and try n sort the wiki :) | 13:46 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: fwiw theres a thread on vodafones support forum about fmms http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=52406&st=0 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=613909&postcount=1271 | 13:47 |
| frals | ops | 13:47 |
| frals | wonder why the last stuff ended up there | 13:47 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: for the record, whats the error message in fmms.log? | 13:47 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm hold on | 13:47 |
| noobmonk3y | you dont need fapn any more do ya? | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | moooooo | 13:47 |
| frals | nope | 13:47 |
| frals | but like if you delete it and fmms use that apn your gonna be buttfucked :D | 13:48 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, but speaking of some people from uk, it's sometimes difficult even to tell if they are speaking english at all.. communication is simply impossible | 13:48 |
| frals | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms and a reinstall should give you a clean start thou noobmonk3y | 13:48 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: well, you have those everywhere | 13:48 |
| noobmonk3y | lol deleted it, and manually configured fmms though?! | 13:48 |
| Surfa | yes of course | 13:48 |
| Surfa | ordering a beer in certain parts of england has proven to be extremely difficult :) | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | where is the fmms log file btw? | 13:49 |
| frals | /tmp/fmms.log | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: if you take australian bogans, west-flemish belgians, alsacian french or catalan spanish, you can get in some very tricky situations | 13:49 |
| tybollt | australian bogan? what's that? | 13:50 |
| * tybollt googlers | 13:50 | |
| `0660 | :) | 13:50 |
| Surfa | sure, i personally speak some russian, a little better swedish, even more better german, english and finnish of course too.. it's surprisingly many countries that have languages close enough of those so i can understand pretty well | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: bogans, the same as UK-based chavs | 13:50 |
| tybollt | aaah | 13:51 |
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| Surfa | prague for example in theory is pretty far from russian but for me it was pretty easy to understand vital things with my russian | 13:51 |
| Surfa | but in england.. i don't know how difficult it can be to order a beer.. :D | 13:51 |
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| BCMM | is there a way to install a traditional (not busybox) version of 'top'? | 13:52 |
| tybollt | the one thing - I learned the hard way - is how you turn our hand when asking for two beers ;) | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: www.pastebin.com/UX6ACYpk | 13:52 |
| tybollt | if you do a reversed V sign for "two" you may get into trouble | 13:52 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: settings are wrong ;) | 13:52 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: apn should be wap.vodafone.co.uk | 13:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:00 |
| * noobmonk3y slaps himself with a trout | 14:00 | |
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| KnightStalker | Eh,how can I find out what is keeping me from connecting via mass storage mode | 14:00 |
| chadi | heya healthcheck! | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | mornin chadi | 14:00 |
| RichardP | mmmm Meego screenshots look nice | 14:01 |
| chadi | what's up | 14:01 |
| chadi | RichardP yeah, looking forward to installing it on N900 when it gets released | 14:01 |
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| * frals slaps noobmonk3y with a "Configuring fMMS for dummies" | 14:02 | |
| frals | noobmonk3y: no trout for you! | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | still doing the same | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmm | 14:02 |
| * noobmonk3y slaps himself some more | 14:02 | |
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| frals | noobmonk3y whats the log saying then? | 14:04 |
| KnightStalker | nobody knows my question? =( | 14:04 |
| noobmonk3y | not sure avoiding keeping screen and phone busy as boss is behind me lol | 14:04 |
| * noobmonk3y is sneakily doing it | 14:05 | |
| Appiah | use lsof | 14:05 |
| Appiah | KnightStalker: lsof | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | and it's still hanging | 14:05 |
| Appiah | I knew the answer! | 14:05 |
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| crashanddie | ~Appiah++ | 14:05 |
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| Appiah | ~crashanddie-- | 14:05 |
| Appiah | ? | 14:05 |
| hybr1der | is there a working port of netcat for the n900 yet? | 14:05 |
| * chadi loves ubuntu lucid | 14:06 | |
| crashanddie | ~karma Appiah | 14:06 |
| infobot | appiah has karma of 1 | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | ~karma crashanddie | 14:06 |
| infobot | crashanddie has karma of -1 | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | thanks Appiah ! | 14:06 |
| Appiah | OOH | 14:06 |
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| Appiah | ~crashanddie++ | 14:06 |
| chadi | ~ubuntu++ | 14:06 |
| Appiah | wth karma bot? | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: >>Ledzz ask him wadzz se diel<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfZrNLipVmk&NR=1 | 14:07 |
| frals | lol noobmonk3y | 14:07 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: lol? | 14:08 |
| RichardP | chadi: theyve got some good ideas | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: Zappas take on German accent | 14:09 |
| MAK_ | hi all how ican reset or edit my root password plz???? | 14:09 |
| chadi | RichardP indeed :) | 14:09 |
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| `0660 | MAK_, why would you need to? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MAK_: N900 xterm; root; passwd | 14:10 |
| MAK_ | idnt need to change it but iwould like to know | 14:10 |
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| crashanddie | MAK_: sudo gainroot, then use passwd | 14:11 |
| MAK_ | thanks DocS | 14:11 |
| MAK_ | thatnx crasshanddie | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | amazing, two lines, 3 typos | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | 3/4, you can make it ;) | 14:12 |
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| `0660 | must be a netbook user :) | 14:12 |
| pupnik | what is that one command i have to run to get networking running in sbox VM | 14:13 |
| `0660 | i make so much typos with my eeepc | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQeiJu4oa0&feature=related | 14:13 |
| pupnik | even with correct resolv.conf, nsswitch.conf, you need to run one command every time | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: netwk-thy-art-commandeth-to-wake | 14:13 |
| crashanddie | .sh | 14:13 |
| kalikiana | sounds like a broken sbox to me | 14:14 |
| tybollt | ~karma tybollt | 14:14 |
| infobot | tybollt has neutral karma | 14:14 |
| tybollt | ~karma infobot | 14:15 |
| infobot | infobot has karma of 5 | 14:15 |
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| pupnik | i can wget a numeric ip. but i can't resolv a name - even when the address is specified in /etc/hosts | 14:15 |
| C-S-B | I knew i was missing a channel | 14:15 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: can you ping your dns? | 14:17 |
| pupnik | nNoO | 14:17 |
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| pupnik | nNoOwW sSyYnNerERgyGY iIsS sScCreRwEWeEdD uUpP | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: stop typing like that | 14:18 |
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| hybr1der | this is weird, everything points to that netcat exists for maemo but i cant find it in the repos | 14:18 |
| adeus | > apt-cache policy netcat | 14:19 |
| adeus | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | socat | 14:20 |
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| * noobmonk3y thinks the mypaint app is bloody great! | 14:25 | |
| pupnik | crashanddie: i haven't been able to find what causes that. do you know of a working Synergy build for n900? | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | nope | 14:25 |
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| hybr1der | DocScrutinizer: is netcat compatible with socat? | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | I thought netcat was just raw sockets? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and socat is *everything* | 14:26 |
| hybr1der | ah | 14:26 |
| hybr1der | so in a way i could | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have to practice another 2 years to master it | 14:26 |
| * RST38bis hopes someone implements a real mypaint app | 14:27 | |
| tybollt | RST38bis: Yes, that annoyed me. | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: oh, you mrwN XINNnbs kube xinoRUVUKURT? | 14:27 |
| crashanddie | woops | 14:28 |
| hybr1der | its a nifty little tool | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: oh, you mean command-line compatibility? | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, netcat is simple wrt syntax | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | socat is powerful | 14:29 |
| tybollt | what about lolcat, then? | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | not so simple syntax | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | nobody can master it, except for chuck norris | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I CAN HAZ COFFY | 14:30 |
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| tybollt | there are times, when vase'es are shattered and missus is franticly yelling, that I wish I could invoke the Chuck on my lolcats :) | 14:31 |
| tybollt | but instead you yell at them and then you feel great remorse and go fetch them goodies and thus you've ended up rewarding your cats for barfing on the mediacenter or nibbling through the speaker wires... | 14:32 |
| tybollt | </rant> | 14:33 |
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| RichardP | does anyone here have Firefox installed for the N900? | 14:35 |
| sejo | RichardP: yes | 14:35 |
| sejo | slow startup but much better than microb imho | 14:35 |
| tybollt | I don't agree :) | 14:36 |
| sejo | that's why they are called opinions :p we can agree to disagree :p | 14:36 |
| RichardP | Im missing guestures to zoom atm, any hints? | 14:36 |
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| sejo | RichardP: double tap? | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: each cat owns a can-opener. So don't complain about your role | 14:37 |
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| sejo | tybollt: put them in timeout | 14:38 |
| sejo | i do that with my cats and it helps | 14:38 |
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| tybollt | sejo: ? | 14:38 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :) | 14:38 |
| sejo | your cats: put them in a catbox (or how you call it) and they know they are punished | 14:38 |
| sejo | at least mine know | 14:38 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: s/complain/lament/ | 14:39 |
| sejo | (when they do something wrong) | 14:39 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: got fmms to work? | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sejo: ack | 14:39 |
| tybollt | sejo: catbox? :) | 14:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even a 2sq-m toilet did with mine | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and 15 min | 14:39 |
| sejo | tybollt: i have a box that I use to transport my cats in | 14:39 |
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| tybollt | sejo: aaah | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sejo: that's a bad idea though. You'll never get to use it for the suggested purpose again. | 14:40 |
| sejo | DocScrutinizer: I know, so I have a second one for transport :p | 14:41 |
| tybollt | heh cat will refuse to enter - or? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:41 |
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| sejo | DocScrutinizer: the transport one has a nice blanket and is always accessible for them so they aren't affraid of it | 14:41 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: toilet is FAIL, my cat can open doors :) | 14:41 |
| tybollt | one of them can | 14:41 |
| sejo | tybollt: heh one of mine also :p need to lock the bedroom for a good night sleep :p | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, mine hadn't even to jump to do so | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | a monster | 14:42 |
| tybollt | =) | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | my dog can eat cats | 14:42 |
| sejo | although i don't punish mine when they puke | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, advice them friendly to do that outdoors | 14:44 |
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| sejo | hehe, if only they accepted reasoning :p | 14:45 |
| sejo | my youngest one attacks me in the morning if i don't give him his 5 min attention... | 14:46 |
| sejo | which is a drag when you overslept for work :P | 14:46 |
| dneary | Hi | 14:46 |
| sejo | hi dneary | 14:46 |
| dneary | I've been feeling like a grinch this morning... I seem to be critical of everything. | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got me a watergun, really helps | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | so | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | anything new about pr1.2? | 14:47 |
| dneary | I'm wondering if I'm wrong, or if I just see things differently... | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | dneary: world is just ugly | 14:47 |
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| chadi | jacekowski: topic | 14:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah it's been such a hype whole HK took off to outer space | 14:47 |
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| dneary | jacekowski, If you're following bugzilla, you will have seen a lot of bug status changes in the last 24 hours. Bugzilla activity is a very good predictor of product releases | 14:47 |
| dneary | chadi, Who will do the kicking? | 14:48 |
| chadi | dneary: isn't the release ready already? | 14:48 |
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| dneary | chadi, How would I know? | 14:48 |
| * sejo takes the popcorn | 14:48 | |
| ShadowJK | now would be an excellent time to release, all of .fi goes boozing this evening | 14:49 |
| sejo | the anticipation is just too much | 14:49 |
| chadi | dneary from the SDK - does the SDK get updated regularly? | 14:49 |
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| sejo | dang :/ | 14:49 |
| adeus | mmm | 14:49 |
| adeus | boozing sounds good | 14:49 |
| chadi | I thought the SDK and the release are synchronized | 14:49 |
| pupnik | picnic tomorrow :) | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | last PR release was on a friday before a long weekend, no? | 14:50 |
| dneary | chadi, I have absolutely no information about SDK release schedules or plans | 14:51 |
| ShadowJK | people are still going to be hungover on wednesday.. | 14:51 |
| dneary | I just mentioned that bugzilla activity is an excellent predictor of releases in my experience | 14:51 |
| chadi | dneary does this mean that PR1.2 will include these bug fixes, or you have no idea? | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dneary: now you just need to paste the 385char URL magic invocation to show all tickeds changed during last 24h | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | you can already see what bugfixes are in 1.2 | 14:53 |
| chadi | ShadowJK: exactly, those are explicitely set to PR1.2, so I don't see how bug activity may affect the release of PR1.2 | 14:53 |
| silbo_ | Can you change the gwt DateTime locals? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | chadi: you got him wrong. Nokia will postpone all bugs (milestone 1.3) which previously were marked as fixed in pr1.2 | 14:54 |
| chadi | DocScrutinizer: umm ok | 14:55 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&ema | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | i hope thet's long enough | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | that's* | 14:58 |
| fcrozat | strange, I added firefox beta repository and I don't see FF 1.1 beta | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it was released on a tuesday | 14:59 |
| peetah | fcrozat: I had the same problem; my solution was to disable the ovi repository and apt-get install fennec in Xterm | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: try again, mate | 15:02 |
| fcrozat | peetah: yes, I was trying that just after writing it :) | 15:03 |
| * noobmonk3y just donated a trout via paypal to fmms ;) | 15:03 | |
| * noobmonk3y throws a trout at frals n goes for lunch | 15:03 | |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 15:03 | |
| frals | thanks! ;) | 15:03 |
| * noobmonk3y is concerned that he can now afford a full sized tuna......... | 15:04 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders about frals' autoresponder setup | 15:04 | |
| * noobmonk3y wants to add a donate button into the app :D | 15:04 | |
| frals | :D | 15:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG til next Tueday | 15:05 | |
| pupnik | is chrome/chromium usable on n900? | 15:06 |
| inteallahonsen | hey guys.. I ran: fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 and then it asked me FATS differ but appear to be intact. Use which FAT? and a choice between 1 or 2 | 15:06 |
| * MohammadAG slaps DocScrutinizer back but hits noobmonk3y instead | 15:06 | |
| inteallahonsen | what gives? :/ | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | use normal fsck, it should figure out its way | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 15:07 |
| * noobmonk3y falls over and collapses to the floor....... | 15:07 | |
| * MohammadAG wonders what would happen if he fsck-s /dev/null | 15:07 | |
| inteallahonsen | MohammadAG: No, it did not . Suggestions? | 15:07 |
| * MohammadAG gives noobmonk3y bac0n | 15:07 | |
| * chadi slaps healthcheck | 15:08 | |
| MohammadAG | inteallahonsen, nope, no ideas | 15:08 |
| * noobmonk3y bitch slaps healthcheck | 15:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmyea, healthcheck failed on his master | 15:08 |
| * noobmonk3y has had a busy week :( | 15:08 | |
| MohammadAG | xD | 15:08 |
| * MohammadAG pats noobmonk3y and says you are not alone | 15:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | week, what week? | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the one on the right | 15:09 |
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| * MohammadAG sees the Javelin falling back | 15:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops, the bathroom | 15:10 |
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| tybollt | inteallahonsen: is your nick an insult directed at me? if so I can tell you you're damn right! :) | 15:11 |
| frals | lol | 15:12 |
| inteallahonsen | ;) | 15:12 |
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| * DocScrutinizer yawns and out of boredom hits 'update' in HAM | 15:15 | |
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| * MohammadAG hits update... in xchat | 15:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo pr1.2 | 15:16 |
| infobot | pr1.2 -- created by crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> 23h 42m 24s ago; it has been requested 4 times, last by mece, 5h 47m 5s ago. | 15:16 |
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| dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=2010-04-29&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | ~PR1.2 | 15:16 |
| infobot | [pr1.2] not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 15:16 |
| Appiah | :D | 15:16 |
| dneary | 53 bugs changed in the last 36 hours | 15:16 |
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| BugBlue | too much bugs :D | 15:17 |
| hrw | pr1.2 is also If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 15:17 |
| hrw | infobot: pr1.2 is also If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 15:17 |
| infobot | okay, hrw | 15:17 |
| hrw | ~pr1.2 | 15:17 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 15:17 |
| dneary | At this rate, we'll never get pr1.2 | 15:17 |
| sejo | what's pr1.2? | 15:18 |
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| tybollt | infobot: tybollt is also some bloody idiot | 15:18 |
| infobot | tybollt: okay | 15:18 |
| Surfa | i have a feeling that you're wrong :( | 15:18 |
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| hrw | dneary: that's the plan - you did not know that? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | DO NOT think about pink elephants | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | fail - you lost | 15:20 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot, tybollt | 15:22 |
| infobot | i heard tybollt is some bloody idiot | 15:22 |
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| ZogG | haha | 15:26 |
| ZogG | we should do app like that for maemo - www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i2vH2iWP-0 | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | burp | 15:26 |
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| ZogG | it's kinda fictional actually - or is it possible? | 15:27 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, have you seen this? | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Is what possible? | 15:31 |
| chadi | Does anybody have the following problem? When you create an event in the calendar and set the alarm to none, then edit it and change the date, the alarm is automatically set to 15 minutes again... | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: 4 minutes of video is a very inefficient way to ask 'is this possible' Type out a couple of sentances | 15:32 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil have you seen it? | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG | "4 minutes are ineffecient" means no :P | 15:33 |
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| ZogG | so see it and you will understand what | 15:34 |
| ZogG | 2 people have devices | 15:34 |
| ZogG | they pass by people with wireless and get their info | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: How did they get that video of my daywork?? | 15:35 |
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| ZogG | haha | 15:35 |
| ZogG | some more info on project torrentfreak.com/the-mysterious-and-scary-bitorrent-monitoring-site-100427/ | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: I'm not watching 4 minutes of video. | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | And yes - in principle passing data by bluetooth is trivial | 15:36 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: reminds me of endadget logic - a 15 minute video is soo much better than a transcript ! | 15:36 |
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| achipa | like your brain would overheat if you start reading more than a paragraph... duh | 15:37 |
| ZogG | SpeedEvil not bluthooth | 15:39 |
| ZogG | they pass by person and get their facebook chat | 15:39 |
| ZogG | SpeedEviljust forward it to 2 or 3 minutes and watch for 20 sec ok? | 15:40 |
| pupnik | ok i love how chromium does NOT pan with click-drag, but instead hilights. instead use fn+arrow keys | 15:40 |
| ZogG | and stop being #%#@ | 15:40 |
| ZogG | don't want - so ignore and pass by =) | 15:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if r-ts with liquid spacer is a patent of Nokia | 15:41 | |
| MohammadAG | whatever happened to r-resistive | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it's damn cute | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | or resistive-r, can't remember | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: talking gibberish? | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope :) | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Eldar mentioned it once | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooooh ELDAR | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | then for sure it's the smartest thing since sliced bread | 15:44 |
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| MohammadAG | lmfao | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: Two phones can easily sense when they pass each other with bluetooth - if they choose to do so. They can then do anything that normal software on the phone can do | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I hope not - it's trivially obvious | 15:45 |
| sejo | 3 | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/6425661510 | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, no eldar before breakfast | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:46 |
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| ZogG | SpeedEvil it's not blutooth and it's not phones =) | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't there a 4000+ posts thread on tmo about it? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | i'd prefer that to eldar anyway ;-P | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, about what? | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/6425661510 ?? | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | err nope, never seen it | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you never read tmo so... :) | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so guess what I do with eldar URLs | 15:48 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you burn them? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | my eyes fail to focus | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually I tend to not even recognize them | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes amnesia +/-30min around the event results | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, heh, in short, he's not your favorite twitter-er :P | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | twitter? what's that? | 15:51 |
| frals | reading a swedish forum where someone is telling everyone to oc to 900mhz because hes battery time doubled because of it | 15:51 |
| frals | :\ | 15:52 |
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| frals | s/hes/his/ | 15:52 |
| E0x | i think is maybe for the low mhz clock in idle | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | frals, reply once, if they don't listen, let it go | 15:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer prepares a 1000 thermonuclear silos to fire | 15:52 | |
| MohammadAG | frals, if you argue you'd get called a retard | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: coord please! | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | personal experience with the von badda guy ^ | 15:53 |
| frals | trying to outsmart ti/nokia ee's about what the chip is meant to do feels... | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | my words | 15:54 |
| frals | ^^ | 15:54 |
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| tybollt | frals: are they serious? Is this on minhembio or? | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sell then tinfoil hats - friggin idiot bastards | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | them | 15:56 |
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| frals | tybollt: aye minhembio | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tell them they should put a isolating patch of sticky tape on one of the battery contacts, will use half the energy then -> doubles standby | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 551 users in here, someone might actually miss the sarcasm in that sentence :P | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as electrons have half the way to run, the CPU works twice the speed on same clockfreq | 15:58 |
| E0x | heh | 15:58 |
| frals | lol DocScrutinizer | 15:58 |
| tybollt | frals: I'm depressed now :-/ | 15:59 |
| * RST38h suggests injecting battery with speed | 15:59 | |
| frals | tybollt: i remember why i stopped reading that thread now ;) | 15:59 |
| lcuk | there is potentially a set of use cases where variations in clock speed could theoretically improve battery life | 15:59 |
| RST38h | and, moo, lcuk | 15:59 |
| tybollt | frals: ;) | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody missed the sarcasm? tell me, I got an appropriate command to treat that! | 16:00 |
| lcuk | ie by just staying within the current cpu speed limits, changing the algorithm that changes speed could get tasks done faster and leave it idling | 16:00 |
| lcuk | hey RST38h | 16:00 |
| tybollt | frals: it was good in the begining since you'd get a feel for how nokia would/wouldn't deliver the devices... but then I quickly lost interest | 16:00 |
| * timeless_mbp reads about a harmTTAn project | 16:00 | |
| tybollt | (after receiving mine ;) | 16:00 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't know what it is | 16:00 | |
| * Stskeeps posts a flurry of posts to the review thread | 16:00 | |
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| frals | tybollt: yeah | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack. *IF* you really know what you're doing | 16:01 |
| frals | tybollt: was nice klasstrom actually registered there and posted ^^ | 16:02 |
| lcuk | just saying DocScrutinizer - its entirely feasible | 16:02 |
| tybollt | frals: yes indeed. I was surprised :) | 16:02 |
| lcuk | and its just as feasible to find those parameters for your running set of software by luck alone | 16:02 |
| lcuk | whether they continue to work as your usage patterns change is another matter | 16:02 |
| frals | yeah i dont doubt he might see improvements in a specific use case, but disregarding what happens with the chips when run over specs might not be so wise | 16:03 |
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| w00t_ | frals: you earned it btw :) | 16:04 |
| frals | just got the mail notification, much appreciated :)) | 16:04 |
| w00t_ | (muaha, now I have your real name) | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, it's in fMMS :P | 16:05 |
| frals | lol | 16:05 |
| d14 | :)) | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | I haven't actually used fMMS | 16:05 |
| frals | w00t_: every post on planet maemo from me has my real name as well ;) | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | oh, shows you how much I skim-read RSS | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:05 |
| frals | :D | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ack | 16:05 |
| w00t_ | then again, I get like 400 items a day | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: and usage patterns tend to be highly random | 16:06 |
| w00t_ | if I actually tried to read all of them in detail I'd go nuts | 16:06 |
| lcuk | oh yeah DocScrutinizer i understand entirely | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even worse, users aren't even aware there's such a thing like a usage pattern | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "my bat life sucks on emule, *woohahaha, boohoo =( 11!!1!!" -- "you're on WiFi or on GPRS or on UMTS?" -- "Err what's that? plz help! ahh let me check dis out" | 16:11 |
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| tybollt | "bat life"? | 16:12 |
| tybollt | "emule"? | 16:12 |
| * tybollt feels old | 16:12 | |
| javispedro | leeching? vampires? mules? :d | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | "sorry dunno how to check. But a friend told me I need 1.2GHz kernel - will fix the issue. HOW TO INSTALL 1.2GHZ???????" | 16:13 |
| tybollt | oh dear | 16:13 |
| lbt | shake it.... very fast | 16:13 |
| javispedro | hmpf, I broke tab on hildon xchat. | 16:13 |
| furunk3l | :O | 16:13 |
| furunk3l | but...but... | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? | 16:14 |
| TigerTael | lol | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | tab? | 16:14 |
| javispedro | tab key.. it now literally inserts a tab | 16:14 |
| derf | "Your friend was mistaken, you need 1.21 jiggawatts. Attach your device to a kite during a thunderstorm to install it." | 16:14 |
| TigerTael | I wish I had a tab key. | 16:14 |
| javispedro | instead of nick completing. | 16:14 |
| zash | derf: lol | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: check settings -key shorcuts | 16:14 |
| pronto | derf: i tried that.... i had to get a new phone :( | 16:14 |
| javispedro | you can have one, edit your x layout | 16:15 |
| MiXu- | "What the hell is a jiggawatt?" | 16:15 |
| TigerTael | javispedro, an actual physical tab key. | 16:15 |
| TigerTael | Editing my x layour ain't going to help there. | 16:15 |
| TigerTael | s/our/out/ | 16:15 |
| infobot | TigerTael meant: Editing my x layout ain't going to help there. | 16:15 |
| tybollt | hmm | 16:15 |
| javispedro | wait... my fault, input method is eating it :( | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | kill it! | 16:16 |
| * javispedro notes that this means xchat doesn't react to virtual kb tab key? | 16:16 | |
| * javispedro checks... it doesn't. nice. | 16:17 | |
| * timeless_mbp ponders MiXu-'s use of quotation marks | 16:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | that wasn't in the script... | 16:17 |
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| pupnik | http://www.makeuseof.com/tech-fun/a-typical-day-from-internet-addicts-life/ | 16:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests to javispedro the widely accepted config using shift-space for nick completion | 16:20 | |
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| derf | timeless_mbp: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/quotes?qt0416327 | 16:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | derf: it's from back to the future | 16:21 |
| namus | while i am trying to install packages for qt support in scratchbx using fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-webkit libqt4-xmlpatterns | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but marty never asked | 16:21 |
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| namus | i got errors :trying to overwrite `/opt', which is also in package base-files | 16:22 |
| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, sounds good. | 16:22 |
| derf | timeless_mbp: You must have seen a different version of Back to the Future than I did. | 16:22 |
| derf | And, apparently, than imdb did. | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: i was much younger :) | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: yeah, I hammered that sentence to shape for 2 minutes ;-) | 16:23 |
| * timeless_mbp is still pondering mixu's use of 'j's in there | 16:23 | |
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| * javispedro accepts DocScrutinizer suggestion before having to purge h-i-m again (pun not intended) | 16:25 | |
| ayanes | Hi | 16:25 |
| lcuk | javispedro, where are you doing most of your him gsoc work then? here or in another chan? | 16:26 |
| javispedro | my gsoc is not about him -- but the harmattan one | 16:26 |
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| javispedro | this was just to fix some nuissances :) | 16:27 |
| lcuk | hildon/harmattan input method :p either way where are you working | 16:27 |
| derf | timeless_mbp: Back in 1985 you could pronunce giga with either a hard or soft g. | 16:27 |
| derf | Not anymore. | 16:27 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I should write a howto for getting the thing glow in the dark and cut metal with CIR | 16:27 |
| javispedro | lcuk: currently nowhere, but hope to make some proper use of my site for it | 16:27 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: yeah ;-P | 16:28 |
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| MOUD | what's the best youtube app for n900? | 16:28 |
| * chem|st just wrote 4 howtos... a howto for writting a howto describing a howto and so on... I hate QM at the moment | 16:28 | |
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| timeless_mbp | derf: but it would have been jigawatt, not jiggawatt :) | 16:29 |
| pupnik | javispedro: is /opt/maemo/usr/games/* the correct place to put games that want to install under /usr/games? | 16:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I could make use of the SD socket for attaching a laser cuter | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | with shark | 16:29 |
| chem|st | is the SD socket SDIO compl. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the socket for sure is | 16:30 |
| chem|st | mmh | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might have to bitbang the data though, aiui | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | derf: in 1985, i was 5 years old | 16:30 |
| timeless_mbp | so i wasn't going to movie theaters | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: getting a bt controlled x-y stage shouldnt be that a problem... | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | thus i tended to watch it in a way where i would often miss the beginning of movies | 16:31 |
| * timeless_mbp often watches a movie again and doesn't recognize the beginning (or ending) | 16:31 | |
| chem|st | MOUD: go to app manager go to search and enter youtube and pick search in description... | 16:31 |
| timeless_mbp | being ~5-8 years old when you watch a movie can result in failure to retain the whole thing … short attention spans | 16:31 |
| MOUD | chem|st: There are some but i would like to know from user experience and not from its description | 16:32 |
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| chem|st | some? | 16:33 |
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| MOUD | some youtube apps | 16:33 |
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| derf | I don't retain a significant fraction of most movies I watch. | 16:34 |
| chem|st | MOUD: some means two... digiaatscene and the other... | 16:34 |
| javispedro | pupnik: yes | 16:34 |
| derf | But Back to the Future I've seen more than once. | 16:34 |
| javispedro | pupnik: you should be able to use the automatic optifier for most stuff though | 16:34 |
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| MOUD | chem|st: which one do you use? | 16:35 |
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| chem|st | MOUD: the other is buggy when it comes to downloading and I dont know digiaatscene, install both and try! | 16:36 |
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| chem|st | MOUD: downloading means if you like to store the video on device | 16:36 |
| chem|st | the extras version should do its job but the testing doesnt | 16:36 |
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| MOUD | chem|st: i see. thank you for the help :) | 16:37 |
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| chem|st | MOUD: just loading digiaat.. | 16:37 |
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| pupnik | shazam music recognition software being tested on N900 | 16:40 |
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| javispedro | oh, isn't that one big fish of the commercial mobile developers pond? | 16:41 |
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| MOUD | chem|st: any news? | 16:43 |
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| lirakis | why on earth does nokia even promote the ovi store | 16:44 |
| lirakis | its worthless for n900 | 16:44 |
| chem|st | MOUD: well both have there +++ and --- | 16:44 |
| chem|st | MOUD: digi can upload to your account... | 16:45 |
| tybollt | lirakis: someone said it is worthless for all platforms | 16:45 |
| tybollt | worthless all together | 16:45 |
| lirakis | yeah - at least for symbian ... it "seems" like there is actually some stuff avail. | 16:45 |
| MOUD | chem|st: what about speed and compatibility? | 16:46 |
| lirakis | for maemo... its a waste of space - and effort... now that i think of it ... everything ovi pretty much blows | 16:46 |
| * javispedro loves how _every_ _every_ _every_ multiplatform development environment, when showing any piece of code, shows the usual #if PLATFORM == 1 do_1(); #elif PLATFORM == 2 do_2(); idiom | 16:46 | |
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| chem|st | MOUD: dont know yet still in an argument with hildon thumbnailorette | 16:47 |
| derf | javispedro: Why would you expect anything else? | 16:47 |
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| javispedro | derf: I always hope there's something really new and innovative every time... stupid me. | 16:48 |
| MOUD | chem|st: yeah, that happened to me too | 16:48 |
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| derf | Different platforms are different. | 16:48 |
| javispedro | ms ad -- "target win7, winphone7 and x360 with the same code platform" while showing a IDE where multiple files for each target are clearly visible, | 16:49 |
| javispedro | qt sdk -- "target maemo, symbian, and pc with the same code base" while showing #if YADDA_YADDA_MAEMO_5 | 16:50 |
| javispedro | I don't want to get started with Java... | 16:50 |
| derf | You can try to abstract away the differences, but that just means you get #if #elif in the abstraction layer, or you can try to build something general which encompasses all possibilities, but that quickly becomes unmanagable (see Java). | 16:50 |
| MOUD | any news about firmware update for N900? | 16:51 |
| derf | And whatever else, you still need to _test_ on all of those platforms. | 16:51 |
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| chem|st | MOUD: nope | 16:52 |
| MOUD | too bad | 16:52 |
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| MOUD | i g2g now | 16:53 |
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| MOUD | thanks for your help chem|st :) | 16:53 |
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| pupnik | would someone please fix sdl-mixer's memory corruption | 17:05 |
| javispedro | what's that? | 17:05 |
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| th3hate | Is it possible to make a .deb file out of application source? | 17:06 |
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| wazd_n900 | heya people :) | 17:09 |
| adeus | happy wappu! | 17:09 |
| timeless_mbp | th3hate: like a deb-src? | 17:09 |
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| Passeli | wappu ! Juhuu !! | 17:10 |
| timeless_mbp | th3hate: no :) | 17:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's .changes file or something + all the related files | 17:11 |
| th3hate | thanks | 17:11 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo-dev managed to become nearly as bad as maemo-developers with more traffic. | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | you could of course package your sources in a deb the way rpm does | 17:12 |
| Khertan_Home | Hi ! | 17:12 |
| GAN900 | Something tells me -dev lists are trouble. | 17:12 |
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| javispedro | and someone still suggested that there was no need for -arch list.. | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: did you make the mistake of subscribing? | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: there isn't :) | 17:12 |
| javispedro | there's two clear separated concepts I think: development OF the platform and development FOR the platform... | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | arch design will be done in secret corners | 17:12 |
| javispedro | :) | 17:13 |
| javispedro | (I don't know why smile :( ) | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, I have to, I'm your local political representative. | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | and mostly in the form of a team saying "hey, we've already implemented X, we want the platform to use it" | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | Being informed is important! | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | . . . or something | 17:13 |
| timeless_mbp | summary "there are clueless people flooding people who foolishly subscribed to a mailinglist" | 17:14 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, fun story, that's why maemo-users exists. | 17:14 |
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| th3hate | How to package my source can u give me a guide | 17:14 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging | 17:15 |
| th3hate | thanks lcuk | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg-buildpackage -S | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 17:15 |
| javispedro | GAN900: was it ever oriented for developers? O.o | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: on paper! | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, back in the day when maemo (lowercase m) was the development platform | 17:15 |
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| GAN900 | maemo-users was for developers FOR and -developers for OF | 17:16 |
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| GAN900 | But it was mostly an on-paper thing, as timeless_mbp says. | 17:16 |
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| javispedro | just copy whatever the gnome mailing lists do | 17:16 |
| javispedro | or kde, for the matter | 17:17 |
| javispedro | i'm sure they handle as many .. uh, newcomers as maemo's m. lists do. | 17:17 |
| th3hate | stupid question: how to cd to my desktop in ubuntu terminal? | 17:17 |
| wazd_n900 | javispedro: heya :) | 17:17 |
| javispedro | hey wazd | 17:18 |
| javispedro | th3hate: cd ~/Desktop | 17:18 |
| Milo- | what was the hidden shortcut to activate portrait mode in the web browser? | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | ctrl shift o | 17:19 |
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| Milo- | gah. my accelerometer shows 0 0 0 ::( | 17:20 |
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| Milo- | need to boot my device | 17:20 |
| Milo- | how annoyinh | 17:21 |
| javispedro | andre__: there? | 17:21 |
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| summel | MohammadAG: does that work on 1.1 already? or only 1.2? | 17:22 |
| RST38h | javispedro mo | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | summel, all | 17:23 |
| javispedro | morning RST38h | 17:23 |
| summel | hmm then iot does not worklfor me oO | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | summel, actually, pre 1.2, 1.2 has a GUI option | 17:23 |
| wazd_n900 | rst38h: heya :b | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | summel, delete the prefs.js files from ~/.mozilla/microb | 17:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: What is the short story on the Nokia Qt SDK? Is it worth dtrying out for Maemo? | 17:23 |
| RST38h | wazd: reHey | 17:23 |
| MiXu- | RST38h: Afaik it requires PR1.2 | 17:24 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I've not tried it yet. I'm pretty sure it will be nice for iPhone-style app development; don't know how useful it is for more "integrated" app development | 17:24 |
| MiXu- | So yes, worth trying out, but not yet. :) | 17:24 |
| andre__ | javispedro, yo | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | MiXu-: na, you can install qt 4.6 on device already | 17:24 |
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| MiXu- | Ok | 17:25 |
| summel | MohammadAG: still does not workl | 17:25 |
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| MohammadAG | summel, delete all .js files | 17:25 |
| andre__ | javispedro, 9952? yeah. | 17:25 |
| summel | javispedro: but io dont want to do that -_- | 17:25 |
| javispedro | andre__: hi! about #9952, it's an autobuilder bug (was wondering that maybe I sounded too authoritative there) | 17:25 |
| RST38h | MiXu,javispedro: Aha | 17:25 |
| summel | io would rather buiold my app wioth the "old" qt -_- | 17:25 |
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| andre__ | javispedro, no. I like your tone. :-P | 17:25 |
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| javispedro | andre__: so before confirming it move the blame to where it belongs ;P (me actually..) | 17:26 |
| javispedro | (or autobuilder component for the time being) | 17:26 |
| summel | MohammadAG: ah now iot workls ^^ | 17:26 |
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| Khertan | javispedro, but you can't install pyside 0.3.0 | 17:26 |
| Khertan | nor last pyqt version | 17:27 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: not even if you install pr1.2 qt 4.6? | 17:27 |
| Khertan | i ve qt 4.6 | 17:27 |
| javispedro | there's both of them -- | 17:27 |
| Khertan | pr1.2 ... sorry | 17:27 |
| javispedro | ah. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | and what does pyside 0.3 depend on? | 17:27 |
| Khertan | not this one ... just the qt version available in extras-devel | 17:27 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: ah again. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | that one is the shit. | 17:27 |
| javispedro | grab it from the 1.2 sdk repo. | 17:28 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 17:28 |
| Khertan | putting sdk repo directly ? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't... | 17:28 |
| Khertan | (of course without an apt-get dist-upgrade) | 17:28 |
| Khertan | ah manually with dpkg and wget deb by deb ? | 17:29 |
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| javispedro | yep, or use apt-get --download-only on S | 17:29 |
| javispedro | *SDK. | 17:30 |
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| pupnik | life sucks when you can't apt-get within scratchbox | 17:31 |
| javispedro | have to go now -- sorry. | 17:31 |
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| Khertan | thx anyway | 17:31 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:31 |
| Khertan | i ll try | 17:31 |
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| andrewfblack | Hey is Pr 1.2 out yet? | 17:39 |
| summel | read the topioc | 17:39 |
| summel | *topic | 17:39 |
| kamui | that only seems to happen every 10 minutes now thanks to the topic | 17:39 |
| summel | and then run | 17:40 |
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| andrewfblack | I thought the topic might be out of date | 17:40 |
| * andrewfblack just had to do it | 17:40 | |
| summel | xD | 17:40 |
| hrw | ~pr1.2 | 17:40 |
| infobot | pr1.2 is probably not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. | 17:40 |
| dneary | Hi there | 17:41 |
| dneary | Anyone know what time PR1.2 is coming? | 17:41 |
| * andrewfblack doesn't believe infobot | 17:41 | |
| dneary | <snicker> | 17:41 |
| andrewfblack | dneary: lol | 17:42 |
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| hrw | dneary: 12 november | 17:42 |
| andrewfblack | is there still a N900 wait list for devs? | 17:42 |
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| hrw | andrewfblack: what does devs see in that 'device'? | 17:43 |
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| Tobarja | i had had issues with youtube on my n810, but sometime in the last few days they revamped the player and it works ok now | 17:43 |
| pupnik | i think mameovmware pan0 interfce is screwing things up | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SUCCESS! :-) | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05 | 17:46 |
| pupnik | what is that DocScrutinizer ? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | enables 5V on USB (though only for ~1sec for now) | 17:46 |
| pupnik | omgwtfbbq! | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | all LEDs of a connected hub lit up | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably bme immediately interferred with the bq24150 setting and re-disabled boost mode | 17:47 |
| pupnik | congratulations! | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway WE HAVE DECENT 5V OB USB | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're going to lose DocScrutinizer when his N900 explodes. | 17:48 |
| sECuRE | just curious, what does this allow us to do that we could not do before? | 17:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | You've destabilized the flux capacitor. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEEEeeeEeeeeeEEEeeeeelllp!! | 17:49 |
| chem|st | UIKEND! | 17:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer desolves into a sparkling explosion | 17:49 | |
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| * MohammadAG mentions overclocking and sees DocScrutinizer coming back to life | 17:50 | |
| * gevaerts recommends just killing bme ;) | 17:50 | |
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| MohammadAG | yeah, nuke it | 17:51 |
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| andrewfblack | is there not a wiki entry for people who want a n900 for testing anymore? | 17:51 |
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| Termana | andrewfblack, http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue ? | 17:53 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: thanks | 17:53 |
| Termana | np | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, let's fsck it up completely... killall -SIGSTOP bme-rx51 | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-P | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | reboot after some 60sec | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | any bets on boot_reason? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | disable watchdogs | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | no-omap-wd,no-ext-wd | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | r&d flags | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | and no-lifeguard-reset | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: mille gracie | 18:04 |
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| dneary | Bye all! Have a nice weekend | 18:11 |
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| frals | nice, borked my virtual image.. shouldve made a backup before upgrading ubuntu :D | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what about replacing /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 by a dummy? | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would that render the device unbootable? | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (I.E. I'm not keen to reflash right away right now) | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, infobot offline? | 18:26 |
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| Khertan | ~ping | 18:33 |
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| th3hate | stupid question: how can i send a file to n900 using ssh? | 18:38 |
| frals | scp? | 18:38 |
| th3hate | on ubuntu? | 18:38 |
| frals | on ubuntu you can just do the "connect to server" thingy and enter details of your n900 afaik | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | use cable | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | scp is slow | 18:39 |
| th3hate | no cable atm | 18:39 |
| th3hate | how can i send from ubuntu to n900 | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | you're doomed | 18:39 |
| summel | use bluetooth | 18:39 |
| th3hate | no bluetooth too XD | 18:39 |
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| jacekowski | even slower than scp | 18:39 |
| th3hate | idc about speed | 18:39 |
| th3hate | small file | 18:39 |
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| th3hate | nautilus file manager works? | 18:41 |
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| achipa | what's the recommended way of using microb from one's apps nowadays ? | 18:46 |
| valdyn | th3hate: sure | 18:46 |
| achipa | gtkmozembed ? | 18:46 |
| mgedmin | sure, th3hate, if you can ssh into your n900, feel free to open sftp://user@your-phone in nautilus | 18:46 |
| achipa | or are there more sophisticated ways... | 18:46 |
| th3hate | thanks | 18:46 |
| achipa | ~poke stskeeps | 18:47 |
| th3hate | user = ip? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | the default username is 'user' | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | your-phone = ip | 18:47 |
| th3hate | and server, port? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | huh? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | how is ip different from server? | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | ssh uses port 22 | 18:47 |
| th3hate | so in server i put ony ip? | 18:48 |
| th3hate | only* | 18:48 |
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| th3hate | its asking for pass .. how do i know the pass of my n900? | 18:49 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa: not sure, gtkmozembed? | 18:49 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: yeah, that was my first guess but I'm not quite sure that's still the recommended way | 18:50 |
| achipa | (as in, it's causing me great pains ATM :) ) | 18:50 |
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| th3hate | Cannot display location "sftp://sftp:0//user@ (ip) | 18:51 |
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| ccooke | th3hate: that's an impressively broken URI | 18:53 |
| adeus | it's had too much to drink | 18:53 |
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| th3hate | I opened connected to server, service type: SSH | 18:54 |
| th3hate | its asking for server, port , folder , username | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weird. First try after reboot (./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05) gave me minutes of VBUS | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and a requester "mass storage or PC mode" on the phone | 18:55 |
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| th3hate | how do i know my ssh pass of my n900 i 4got it | 18:58 |
| microlith | reset it | 18:58 |
| th3hate | how? | 18:58 |
| microlith | of course, if you forgot that may be hard... | 18:58 |
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| twouters | as root you can change it without knowing the original password | 19:00 |
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| th3hate | my theme keep resetting to default is that a bug? | 19:02 |
| zokier | sounds like a bug for me | 19:05 |
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| andrewfblack | th3hate: to change password in xterm type sudo gainroot then passwd root then enter password twice | 19:07 |
| andrewfblack | th3hate: theme is a bug with ovi themes | 19:08 |
| gevaerts | DocScrutinizer: the requester is probably triggered by it seeing 5V | 19:08 |
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| Reaby | i ask here, cos you prolly know what to do.. | 19:09 |
| Reaby | i maybe just brick my n900 | 19:09 |
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| Reaby | i tried to switch power on when battery was empty.. put it on cable and tried to start | 19:10 |
| Reaby | now it just blinks red | 19:10 |
| iPeter- | Reaby: Not sure, but i think you have to charge that battery on some other phone | 19:10 |
| Reaby | earlier it showed nokia text with no backlight | 19:10 |
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| gevaerts | Reaby: I'd leave it there for a while and then try again | 19:11 |
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| Reaby | ok | 19:12 |
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| Reaby | but the red light... well hopefully it fixes :/ | 19:12 |
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| forgentoo | Hi. Where is the sound device in n810? /dev/dsp not exists ) | 19:13 |
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| Reaby | i ask again, it the problem doesn't go away | 19:13 |
| Reaby | since you guys are the best source :) | 19:14 |
| microlith | Reaby: chances are the battery is critically low and you should let it try and trickle charge | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Reaby: red blinking light indicates an error in battery/charger detected. It's done by a "fully booted" system, so your device basically still works | 19:17 |
| Reaby | great! | 19:18 |
| Reaby | i just reconnected the chargerer and light came back to yellow | 19:18 |
| Reaby | phew | 19:18 |
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| Reaby | ok i leave it for few hours | 19:18 |
| Reaby | and try to boot it again | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reaby: If your battery is just empty, then system should either show the NOKIA without backlight, and flash yellow, until bat reaches minimumk charge. Or it even charges on autonomous mode without system booted, which is indicated by steady yellow light | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yellow steady means probably very low charging current, so it might take some hours until bat has recovered | 19:19 |
| Reaby | thanks, it's now on yellow without nokia logo | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reaby: just leave it charging for a night | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's hw-charger only | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably 500mA, maybe even as few as 100mA | 19:20 |
| Reaby | well i tried to boot it after powerdown with cable on... | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | eventually the system might 'boot' unadvertedly and show yellow flashing and NOKIA | 19:21 |
| Reaby | so i think the battery is really low :) | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you may need to unconnect and reconnect in a few hours | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | bme basically f's up everything eh? :p | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, yellow steady is on *very* low battery | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | (was referring to host mode too) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yellow sterady is bw24150 autonomous charge | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no bme involved | 19:22 |
| Reaby | sorry.. it's blinking, but no nokia logo, my bad | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | oh so it's on | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | bme is up :) | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, never got that yellow steady light, so no idea | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reaby: blinking is very good, it means your system is well and charging | 19:23 |
| Reaby | DocScrutinizer: many thanks for answers | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait, i actually got it while flashing once, but the bat was full | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:23 |
| Reaby | i know this channel is the best source if something just went wrong :) | 19:24 |
| Reaby | good labours day - atleast at here finland! | 19:25 |
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| Reaby | i leave the device to recover over night and try booting it tomorrow | 19:26 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you solve everything regarding host mode? | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<gevaerts> DocScrutinizer: the requester is probably triggered by it seeing 5V) yes, the usb-driver gets notified about 5V, and bme missed on the switch in bq24150 causing this 5V being endogene (probably a race). Also no short detected between D+/- which would indicate a charger, so it's assuming it's been plugged to a USB-host | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | and what does all that mean lol | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may trigger same faulty host detection by inserting the charger very slowly, as GND and VBUS contacts are a little bit longer than the data contacts, so make-first/break-last | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG | in short, host mode's working? (ignoring drivers and the like) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | the funny part about that is: obviously bme behaves passive while that menu is displayed | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it always did, told ya | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | and the only thing needed now is a kernel with host mode support? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why do I feel they left it in on purpose | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | fixing the friggin messy musb_hdrc | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | host mode that is | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | and the schematics were leaked | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635097#post635097 click thanks! X-P | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | or fix the 𶳶đłsd¼@¼%$ musb_hdrc | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Also bme intercepts the boost mode setting of bq24150 and stops 5V after ~0.5..1sec | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | dsmetool -t it? | 19:44 |
| Khertan | http://n8makemyapp.com/ <<< ouch the disclaimer | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | in short, unload bme | 19:44 |
| Khertan | anyway it s a good site for having idea for making some apps for maemo :) | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'll give it a try | 19:44 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the watchdog will kick in | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | expect a reboot | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | oh what's it called btw | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | bme | 19:45 |
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| lardman|home | evening all | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, like it did on[2010-04-30 17:01:25] <DocScrutinizer> k, let's fsck it up completely... killall -SIGSTOP bme-rx51 [2010-04-30 17:04:02] <DocScrutinizer> reboot after some 60sec | 19:45 |
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| pupnik | lardman, DocScrutinizer just got +5v on n900 usb port | 19:47 |
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| lardman|home | oooo | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, correction, the WD WILL reboot the N900 | 19:48 |
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| ZogG_n900 | hmm | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | btw didn't see anything after saying bme | 19:48 |
| ZogG_n900 | ping my ass | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | N900 rebooted xD | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_n900, ~ping | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall -SIGSTOP bme_RX-51; ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05; sleep 10; killall -SIGCONT bme_RX-51 | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ==10sec of VBUS | 19:50 |
| ZogG_n900 | is it me or fn+sym doesn't work anymore? | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | it's just you | 19:50 |
| ZogG_n900 | ~ping | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot died | 19:50 |
| ZogG_n900 | !ping | 19:50 |
| ZogG_n900 | don't say that | 19:51 |
| ZogG_n900 | he is life just in some other better place | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-30 17:20:31] [Notify] infobot ist offline (irc.freenode.org). | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-30 17:26:25] <DocScrutinizer> wtf, infobot offline? | 19:51 |
| ZogG_n900 | don't say something like that ever | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | ist? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | LANG=de_DE | 19:52 |
| ZogG_n900 | german | 19:52 |
| ZogG_n900 | ich nine schprehen ze deutch | 19:52 |
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| MohammadAG | tov tov | 19:52 |
| ZogG_n900 | haha | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | Gott in Himmel! | 19:53 |
| ZogG_n900 | MohammadAG: לא טוב | 19:53 |
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| MohammadAG | awww | 19:53 |
| ZogG_n900 | i hate hebrew writing | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget infobot, share my exitement about a silly 5V out of a 600EUR device | 19:53 |
| lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: well I think it's rather exciting | 19:54 |
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| ZogG_n900 | all the world is writing from one side to another and jews want to be special ( | 19:54 |
| ZogG_n900 | i want coffee | 19:54 |
| ZogG_n900 | just woke up | 19:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer prepares two latte macchiato and hands one of them to ZogG | 19:55 | |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer thanks =)_ | 19:59 |
| th3hate | E: This script should NOT be run as user root. | 19:59 |
| th3hate | how to go back as user? | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | no sudo | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | logout | 20:00 |
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| lardman|home | exit | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ^D | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ping | 20:01 |
| ZogG | rm -R /* | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | it's -r | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: that's a kick usually | 20:02 |
| ZogG | both are good | 20:02 |
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| ZogG | -r, -R, --recursive remove directories and their contents recursively | 20:02 |
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| jaska | --arr | 20:03 |
| th3hate | E: Scratchbox directory for user not present. | 20:03 |
| th3hate | how to fix? | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | reinstall scratchbox, properly | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | follow the instructions | 20:05 |
| th3hate | i did | 20:05 |
| th3hate | i reached here | 20:05 |
| th3hate | newgrp sbox | 20:05 |
| th3hate | it asks for pass | 20:05 |
| th3hate | whats the pass | 20:06 |
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| cato` | "you shall not pass" | 20:09 |
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| th3hate | newgrp sbox | 20:10 |
| th3hate | asks for pass, i put my root pass it didn't work | 20:10 |
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| lardman|home | try your user pass | 20:12 |
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| lardman|home | as that's who you're adding to the group | 20:12 |
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| ZogG | <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: that's a kick usually | don't lie to me - you are too lazy to get op =)))) | 20:16 |
| ZogG | so anyone tried ff beta? | 20:17 |
| ZogG | it has portrait | 20:17 |
| ZogG | as i checked it it it stuck n900 | 20:17 |
| ZogG | at all | 20:17 |
| ZogG | like no keys (ctrl+backspace/power/lock-slide button) | 20:17 |
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| * GAN900 cracks up at the SU-36. | 20:18 | |
| Stskeeps | su-36? | 20:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer googles/fires/launches/eats SU-36 | 20:18 | |
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| lirakis | blargh! ... stinky maemo .... crappy at auto connecting to networks | 20:20 |
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| * MohammadAG starts the 10.04 clean install | 20:22 | |
| * ZogG mp> Mulan.2009.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-HDxT.mkv [1280x544 avc1 24.000fps] | 20:22 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, why would you do that? | 20:22 |
| ZogG | just upgrade | 20:22 |
| lirakis | lol | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, cause the upgrade broke xorg | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | and scratchbox | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | and i cba to fix it | 20:22 |
| lirakis | i was gonna say - upgrading ... is like playing russian roulette | 20:22 |
| ZogG | haha | 20:22 |
| ZogG | that's why i hate ubuntu =) | 20:22 |
| th3hate | $ sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u USER | 20:23 |
| th3hate | i should change user to my name? | 20:23 |
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| MohammadAG | duh | 20:23 |
| ZogG | lirakis just emerge --sync && emerge -uND world --keep-going && revdep-rebuild | 20:23 |
| lirakis | ZogG, ... i run gentoo | 20:23 |
| ZogG | liori, \o/ | 20:23 |
| * ZogG sys Linux 2.6.33-gentoo [965P-S3; x86_64 Desktop] | 20:23 | |
| GAN900 | Capactitive stylus | 20:24 |
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| ZogG | GAN900 what? | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | That looks as silly as that touchscreen technology is. | 20:24 |
| GAN900 | SU-36 | 20:24 |
| lirakis | wtf is wrong with this pos .... refuxing to get gmail on wifi | 20:24 |
| lirakis | reboot | 20:24 |
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| ZogG | GAN900 is it made of children fingers? | 20:24 |
| lirakis | (n900) | 20:24 |
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| lirakis | man .. for as nice as the n900 is... its death by a thousand cuts | 20:25 |
| ZogG | i like asian movies | 20:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/nokia-sticks-to-its-stylus-roots-offers-telescopic-su-36-for-ca/ | 20:25 |
| ZogG | lirakis, hve you moved to xorg 1.8.0 ? | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, HTC already made a stylus | 20:26 |
| lirakis | ZogG, nah 1.7 | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, yes, as have others. | 20:26 |
| lirakis | (1.7.6) | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, but it's funny to see it come out of Nokia. | 20:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | and sad to see them switch to that crap technology. | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, true, but it's what most customers want | 20:27 |
| ZogG | lirakis i'm emerged 1.8.0 but affraid to boot | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, sadly "most" customers are clueless idiots. | 20:27 |
| ZogG | cause hal is great and i dont even have xorg.conf | 20:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Who just want what Steve has made cool. | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, plus one on that | 20:27 |
| lirakis | why does the n900 not notifiy me when i have gmail... if i have a gchat account registered for an im account ..... the n810 does this | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, they're the reason behind tmo's failures at the moment | 20:28 |
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| th3hate | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 20:28 |
| th3hate | whats that error? | 20:28 |
| ZogG | is it meego release tomorow? | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | lirakis, have you actually put a GMail account in Modest? :) | 20:28 |
| lirakis | GeneralAntilles, yes | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, no | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | (but seriously, huh) | 20:29 |
| lirakis | GeneralAntilles, this thing is just being all wacky. but - on the n810 i didnt have to put the account in a mail client | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, yes you did. | 20:29 |
| ZogG | email client on n900 sucks | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | sell it | 20:29 |
| ZogG | Confirmed: LG's Moorestown-based GW990 won't be made | 20:29 |
| ZogG | hahaha loosers | 20:30 |
| ZogG | so no ski after all | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | lirakis: N810 didn't *have* a usable mail client | 20:30 |
| lirakis | luke-jr, yeah i know | 20:30 |
| RST38h | http://www.microsoft.com/education/competencies/humor.mspx | 20:30 |
| lirakis | GAN900, nah... b/c i gave it to my GF - she put her gchat im in the accoutns ... and it notifies her when she gets email on that acct | 20:30 |
| RST38h | creepy stuff | 20:30 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, didn't. | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, it doesn't work like that. :) | 20:31 |
| lirakis | GAN900, whatever man ... it works - she just did it last night | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | You're incorrect | 20:31 |
| lirakis | whatever | 20:31 |
| lirakis | thanks for being useful | 20:32 |
| andrewfblack | Everyone knows GAN900 is always right :) | 20:32 |
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| ZogG | glorry for GAN900 | 20:32 |
| ZogG | GAN is from ganster? | 20:32 |
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| GAN900 | GeneralAntillesN900 | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles = GAN | 20:32 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: I like GansterN900 Better | 20:33 |
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| lirakis | im just saying ... she setup up IM only on my n810 ... and she gets gmail notifications - i dont know how or why .. but she does. thats all. trust me - she didnt set up the email client | 20:33 |
| ZogG | GAN900 from now on you are ganstArn900 | 20:33 |
| ZogG | let the socity to decide | 20:33 |
| ZogG | me a communist here | 20:33 |
| ZogG | we* are* | 20:34 |
| ZogG | communists* | 20:34 |
| lirakis | can you not zoom in on images in the photo browser? | 20:34 |
| ZogG | what do you mean? | 20:34 |
| lirakis | ah ... volume buttons | 20:34 |
| andrewfblack | wazd: Ping | 20:34 |
| lirakis | ... not the gestures like in the browser | 20:34 |
| lirakis | ... love the consistency | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | lirakis, already suggested | 20:35 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: Doesn't sound like you love anything about the N900 :) | 20:35 |
| lirakis | andrewfblack, im def. frustrated | 20:35 |
| ZogG | oh i should open brainstorm on going thru photos using accelerometer | 20:35 |
| * SpeedEvil plays http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-aeLS5Mg80 in honor of DocScrutinizers achievement | 20:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: SpeedEvil: PING | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah :-D | 20:35 |
| lirakis | i had a g1 - spent a bunch of money taking a chance on the n900 even though nokia basically !@#4ked n810 users | 20:35 |
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| lirakis | ... and i feel im getting burned ... the phone is nice... but it is so far behind. | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: The accellerometer supports tap detection | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: this is not used | 20:36 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: you did get burned but we can't have everything either you take nice locked down phone or you take a ok Open Phone | 20:36 |
| lirakis | andrewfblack, i had a nice rooted g1 | 20:36 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: well even G1 is not getting offical updates from Google anymore | 20:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'I had a nice house - OK - I had to enter throught the skylight - but it was a nice house!' | 20:37 |
| lirakis | andrewfblack, right ... i rooted mine... so i can install whatever i want | 20:37 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: well you can install what ever you want on the n900 also don't like Maemo5 replace it. | 20:38 |
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| lirakis | andrewfblack, yeah... i thought about it.. but you cant really get full wireless support etc. with any thing else | 20:38 |
| andrewfblack | Like I said we can't have it all | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (accel) and even double-tap, with adjustable time | 20:39 |
| lirakis | andrewfblack, well .. basically .. you cant install anything on the n900 except maemo ... b/c no one develops anything. | 20:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: indeed. | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I try really hard to avoid stuff that needs rooting to be functional. | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply as the next version may fix the rootability | 20:40 |
| lirakis | SpeedEvil, yeah i def. agree | 20:40 |
| lirakis | which is why I wanted to love the n900 | 20:40 |
| lirakis | .. but i dont | 20:40 |
| lirakis | it is death by a thousand paper cuts | 20:41 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: Android is getting work on and wasn't there a Ubuntu port? | 20:41 |
| lirakis | as i said before | 20:41 |
| lirakis | andrewfblack, there was android running on n900 .. but i think that project is dead | 20:41 |
| tripzero | good | 20:41 |
| andrewfblack | lirakis: New posts on tmo about it everyday | 20:41 |
| tripzero | android deserves to die | 20:41 |
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| lirakis | andrewfblack, what android on n900? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke android | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | naaah | 20:42 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if anyone with usb2 has tried hostmode :) | 20:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | err | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.2 | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | (no, I really doubt it) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /msg timriker please reboot! ;-) | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | does the 1.2 kernel work with 1.1 userland? | 20:43 |
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| ZogG | SpeedEvil i meant if you shake you device left it will go "prev pic" and right "next pic" | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, I know | 20:43 |
| ZogG | up can be used as "go up directory" | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Fapanimation | 20:43 |
| ZogG | =) | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there any diff between the 1.1.1 and 1.2 branches wrt to http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/* | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I doubt it | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't doubt it, diff it! | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't hjave the 1.2 to hand | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | source | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: any plans about nagging Nokia about musb_hdrc? | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, but i'm in denmark atm | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah I C | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | maybe 2.6.33 from meego will be a future better basis | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, let's call it the day hostmode-0.2 was put to work. I got a usb hub with a red power-LED and 4 green action LEDs for the 4 downstream ports. The cmdline 'killall -SIGSTOP bme_RX-51; ./i2cset -y -m 0x07 2 0x6b 0x01 0x05; sleep 10; killall -SIGCONT bme_RX-51' makes the red LED shine for 10 sec, and the moment BME starts again, it obviously talks to the hub chip so all the 4 green LED flash up for <0.5s, then VBUS is disabled. This clearly | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | indicates to me BME or whatever friggin driver (musb_hdrc?) is *talking* to the hub, and that's hostmode basically. It just needs to stop talking gibberish, and act like a serious host -> driver is all that's missing | 20:51 |
| ZogG | ☣ | 20:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | what happens on your hub if you just connect 5V - might that not do that? | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - on 'unplug' | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe as it falls out of regulation? | 20:57 |
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| trumee | guys i am facing a weird problem. My 3g data connection stops working after a minute. I thought it was a software problem. So i reflashed both rootfs/emmc. However, the problem still persists. | 21:03 |
| trumee | i am on Three network in UK btw | 21:03 |
| trumee | is there any way i can debug this? | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Try a different SIM? | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Works for me with t-mobile PAYG | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | also - is it consistent? | 21:04 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: could it be a sim issue? | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know. | 21:04 |
| trumee | if i maintain a ping to google.com, then the connection doesnt break. | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I was more meaning if you swap the SIM out, you can completely eliminate thee fact that it's to do with 3s network if it works | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by '3g data connection' | 21:05 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: 3g internet | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - what are you doing? | 21:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does it break igf you just browse stuff? | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | And does it reconnect? | 21:06 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: Using the browser/Voip accounts all go offline | 21:06 |
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| trumee | after a minute or so. | 21:06 |
| Khertan | oh seems meego will be worse for qa testing and repositories | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | odd. Works for me. | 21:06 |
| Khertan | In general MeeGo doesn't accept patches - <<< nice too | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not seen anyone else with the problem. | 21:07 |
| Khertan | lol | 21:07 |
| trumee | However, if i maintain a ping to google.com in a terminal, then the phone doesnt break connection | 21:07 |
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| trumee | It seems like i need to keep on banging pings to the network to maintain connection | 21:07 |
| microlith | Khertan: isn't the policy to go upstream with patches? | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: It sounds like a network issue, though I'm far from sure how these things are configured on the network side | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Not accepting patches can be a good thing. | 21:07 |
| trumee | I was hoping there is some sort of log. something like wvdial log | 21:07 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil, hum ... | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: Unsure where there is on,e if there is | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: Consider that maintaining forked codebases has costs | 21:08 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i will take your suggestion, take out the sim and put it back | 21:08 |
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| Khertan | of course but what ... it s a plateform or not ? | 21:09 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: I was more meaning swap the SIM for another network one. I don't suspect that will help. | 21:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | (removing and replacing) | 21:09 |
| * RST38h is installing the Qt SDK | 21:09 | |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: yup, i am going to try that. Could this be a hardware issue? | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: Sounds not impossible, though unlikely | 21:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | trumee: I assume you don't own another 3g data phone? | 21:10 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: The wifi connection works perfect though | 21:10 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i do have a N95 as well | 21:10 |
| sECuRE | my browser on n900 doesn’t want to load any page after a reboot of the phone | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it do this with the same SIM? | 21:11 |
| sECuRE | it just shows the loading bar, cancel button does not work | 21:11 |
| sECuRE | network is working fine, ssh still works | 21:11 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: going to check that now. | 21:11 |
| sECuRE | is this a known issue? | 21:11 |
| lirakis | wtf .. maemo garage does not have maemo5 listed as a tablet or os in the freaking "browse by" options | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | sECuRE: I've seen that. Yes - I've never seen it fresh out of a reboot though. | 21:12 |
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| microlith | lirakis: a huge number of projects never bothered to specify their target version | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<SpeedEvil> maybe as it falls out of regulation?) nope, on unplugging (physically) it acts quite different | 21:15 |
| microlith | although that strikes me as a rather obvious bug... | 21:15 |
| rogegor | where do i find xkb? | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | http://bugs.maemo.org | 21:16 |
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| MohammadAG | finally! | 21:17 |
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| MohammadAG | I hate grub2 | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: funky | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | rogegor: xkcd.com? | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | oops - misread | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry - tired | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 21:19 |
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| rogegor | ;) | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fired the sleep10 cmdline, plugged power wallwart to hub while still powered from N900 -> red powerLED coninues shining, but still the green LEDs flash when bme kicks in | 21:22 |
| Tuukka | wth my rootfs jumped from 95mb free to 0B free omg :O | 21:22 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:30 |
| Tuukka | hey | 21:31 |
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| * Arkenoi loves topic | 21:32 | |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i tried a)O2 sim in N900 and b)three sim in N95. Both of them happily working!! | 21:32 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: seems N900 doesnt like three sim. I had this problem only affect me since past two days, previously it was working fine | 21:33 |
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| Tuukka | Is possible to use all rootfs memory by copying a file to a directory that doesn't exist while root? | 21:34 |
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| pgas | copying a file to a dir the doesn't exist creates a copy of the file with the name of the target dir | 21:36 |
| Tuukka | yep, but doing it just bricked my n900 -.-' | 21:37 |
| Tuukka | all rootfs space was consumed... | 21:37 |
| lirakis | is there a good getting started for qt development with the maemo sdk. the getting started flash video is basically like "qt lets you develop cross platform .... but we dont talk about it here" | 21:39 |
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| Tuukka | Wou this channel really active.... | 21:45 |
| lirakis | lol ... sigh ... the sdk video is ridiculous. yeah... setup scratchbox.... then .. setup a the maemo sdk ... then... setup a sudo xserver .. then .. configure the xserver to forward.. then start scratchbox... then launch the maemo gui ..... | 21:45 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: Ok, i put the three sim back in N900. And again it stopped working after a minute | 21:45 |
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| lirakis | super simple to get started developing :P | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, MADDE | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | Qt Creator | 21:46 |
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| lirakis | GAN900, thats why i asked about a "getting started with qt" | 21:47 |
| GAN900 | MADDE bypasses scratchbox. | 21:47 |
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| lirakis | GAN900, i saw zchydem has a super short video on it ... but i havent found any real strait forward "this is how you set it up" | 21:48 |
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| GAN900 | There are docs on the wiki | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | It's not particularly involved | 21:49 |
| trumee | anybody understand the connection manager in N900? | 21:49 |
| GAN900 | the included instructions should really cover you. | 21:49 |
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| lirakis | i see a lot about running it on windows :\ | 21:50 |
| lirakis | ill keep poking around | 21:50 |
| trumee | My 3g data connection stops working after a minute. The phone continues to show that it is connected. But pings dont work. VOIP goes offline | 21:50 |
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| opdf2 | where are the water damage markers on the n900? | 21:51 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, download it | 21:51 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, install it | 21:52 |
| Tuukka | Did your n900 take a quick dip in water? | 21:52 |
| GAN900 | lirakis, it aint scratchbox, getting started isn't hard | 21:52 |
| opdf2 | Tuukka: i was in sweltering heat just wanna know if it triggered | 21:52 |
| lirakis | GAN900, yeah.. i found it .. ill take a look. it'd just be nice if nokia had this stuff on the official dev pages | 21:53 |
| trumee | anybody from UK? | 21:53 |
| GAN900 | wiki.maemo.org | 21:53 |
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| Tuukka | i doupt that they would trigger in moderate humidity. | 21:55 |
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| trumee | is there any full ping available? ping from busybox doesnt support -i (timed pings) | 21:57 |
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| trumee | i think i will have to resort to running timed ping on three network to keep connected to 3g | 21:57 |
| trumee | The N900 shows that it is connected via 3G data. But ping dont work and 3G stops going to 3.5G | 21:58 |
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| trumee | funny thing is that if i connect in 2.5g it work perfect | 21:59 |
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| trumee | nobody understands connection manager in N900? | 22:00 |
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| trumee | guys, is it worth put a report in bugzilla? | 22:02 |
| Tuukka | Has anybody looked into live wallpaper? Is it widget playing a video, .gif or how is it working? | 22:03 |
| kalikianatoli | trumee, it sounds worth a bug report from what you describe, I would say yes | 22:03 |
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| trumee | kalikianatoli: ok. i will do it then. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: yes - it's worth it | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: however. It can also be wackiness on the network side. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | Tuukka, its a desktop widget and can do whatever they can normally - it just exists behind the others at fullsize | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: that is - on threes cell towers | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: I don';t suppose you can easuily try it in anotehr location? | 22:04 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: This happened to me in two places about 15 miles apart (work/home) | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | probably not that then | 22:05 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: N900 shows the phone as connected. But browser/voip stops working | 22:05 |
| _llll_ | trumee: for a full ping you could try easydebian perhaps | 22:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | dbus-monitor --system - and log it | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | does anything happen that's interesting? | 22:05 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: ok, i am going to log this | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | signal sender=:1.17 -> dest=(null destination) serial=11525 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | byte 38 | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | byte 107 | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 22:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | (off topic) oh right, just remembered, who suggested Battlefield bad company 2 to me? | 22:08 |
| maddler | evening all! | 22:09 |
| Tuukka | Mass Effect 2 <3 | 22:09 |
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| * ioeee saluda a casi todos o/ a ti no!! | 22:10 | |
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| kpel | is there a package with utilities like "less" for Maemo5 ? | 22:16 |
| ZogG | "Well, here's a surprise: Reuters says Nokia might consider replacing CEO Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo in order to please unhappy shareholders who don't see the cellphone giant effectively competing in the smartphone market. | 22:16 |
| kpel | ZogG: url? | 22:17 |
| gevaerts | kpel: less in in the less package | 22:17 |
| kpel | gevaerts: do i need to add any repos? i don't remember seeing it in the application manager | 22:17 |
| ZogG | wait | 22:18 |
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| ZogG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/nokia-ceo-olli-pekka-kallasuvo-being-replaced-to-soothe-frustrat/ | 22:18 |
| ZogG | kpel, ^ | 22:19 |
| kpel | thanks ZogG | 22:19 |
| pupnik | ??? | 22:19 |
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| Tuukka | like changing him would change anything... | 22:19 |
| gevaerts | kpel: hm, I can't find it now. Possibly the fremantle-tools one | 22:20 |
| kpel | gevaerts: thanks | 22:20 |
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| kpel | Tuukka: of course it would. but change is not the same as improvement ;) | 22:20 |
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| gevaerts | kpel: yes, it's in there | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | that isnt news. that is old women chatting over the laundry | 22:21 |
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| kpel | puphome_: that's how the amrkets work :( | 22:21 |
| kpel | gevaerts: ok thanks. i'll probably find the details of that repo in amemo.org | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe they'll replace him with a person with charisma. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or a personality. | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would work too. | 22:22 |
| kpel | I liked the Nokia N8 | 22:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ew | 22:22 |
| kpel | maybe things will get better with the new phone. Capacitive screen ftw! | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | FTF | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | For the FAIL | 22:23 |
| kpel | :) | 22:23 |
| kpel | how come? | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: or without finglish? | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive at 260+ PPI makes for some dumbed-down UIs. | 22:23 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: ok, i have logged dbus. | 22:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, that too. | 22:23 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.com/NqvjtNrT | 22:24 |
| kpel | GeneralAntilles: all i know is that the resistive screen on my N900 misses taps all the time. I gave N8 a try and I was impressed with the response. I could use fingertips insrtead of nails for a change. | 22:24 |
| kpel | ymmv | 22:24 |
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| MAK_ | hi all ihave aquestions plz that there are programs written in python with extension .pyw////and some times with extension .py ///there are any diffrence ???? | 22:25 |
| gevaerts | kpel: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 22:25 |
| trumee | i logged the dbus --system. anybody understand why my 3g data connection stops working, http://pastebin.com/NqvjtNrT | 22:25 |
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| kpel | gevaerts: excellent! thanks :) | 22:25 |
| Tuukka | Nokia needs a decent os with good looks and few nice gimmicks | 22:25 |
| trumee | Stskeeps: i guess you can help me out :) | 22:25 |
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| kpel | Tuukka: i don't know about the Os, but it certainly could use a good UI | 22:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | kpel, problem isn't tap recognition. | 22:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | kpel, problem is the shit for precision. | 22:27 |
| Tuukka | yep symbian is too plain.. How do i reaply to messages while using the webchat on browser?? | 22:27 |
| kpel | GeneralAntilles: precision is a problem too. specially when you try to scroll up/down with a hair-thin scrollbar | 22:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | kpel, it's not Maemo 4. | 22:28 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if the replacement will be chosen by Karma. | 22:28 | |
| kpel | true but it's not very usable either | 22:28 |
| * SpeedEvil goes off to do lots of wiki editing. | 22:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | kpel, mmm . . . that's not subjective at all. | 22:29 |
| kpel | e.g. the Profile settings have such a thin scrollbar that most of the time the tap goes to the volume sliders of the vrious sounds instead of the scrollbar | 22:29 |
| kpel | GeneralAntilles: you are right. it isn't. i have examples. | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | kpel: you can scroll with any non-slider area of that page | 22:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | and yes - it sucks | 22:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles has found that people claiming the N900's touchscreen sucks are usually doing it wrong. | 22:30 | |
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| kpel | then maybe there is a thing to say about how intuitive the UI is? | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | The capacitive is, quite simply, unusable for me. | 22:31 |
| evilrob | what's the app that lets you set up a repeating audio reminder (beep or something ) when you have a missed call/sms/email | 22:31 |
| kpel | well, now that's subjective :) | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Intuitive is such a nebulous thing | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | and a useless goal in most cases. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | kpel, FOR ME | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not subjective at all. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't stand using them. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | End of story. | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is why Nokia needs to release at least one of each | 22:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | So they don't lose a large chunk of their market. | 22:32 |
| kpel | possibly | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not possibly | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I simply wont buy a capacitive device. | 22:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and I know a lot of other people who share the same sentiment. | 22:32 |
| kpel | actualyl that would be an interesting way to measure the popularity of each technology | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | To what possible end? | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | People tend to like what they're familiar with | 22:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Regardless of the relative merits of either | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take Windows and Linux | 22:33 |
| kpel | were they familiar with the capacitive screen of the iphone? | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or Windows and OS X | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | They are now. | 22:33 |
| kpel | exactly | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | and most of them hadn't really used a touchscreen. | 22:33 |
| kpel | they didn't choose it because they were used to phones made by Apple | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you might want to refer to some of my crap, when editing wiki | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | The RDF is strong | 22:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But this is a pointless discussion | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer:I shoul probably add it, yes. | 22:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | so I'm going to do something else. | 22:34 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Too tired tonight - been clearing garden more. | 22:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wish I had done similar nature-related action today | 22:35 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil, kalikianatoli:ok, i have logged it https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10074 | 22:37 |
| povbot | Bug 10074: Three UK ISP, 3g data connections stops working after few minutes | 22:37 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: should i set the severity as well? | 22:37 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | is there a map app that allows you to easily select an area to download tiles for (for offline use)? | 22:43 |
| jonne|reconnecte | without needing to manually go to the area with your finger first, ofcourse | 22:44 |
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| * Arkenoi is worried about increasing number of web sites requiring flash 10 | 22:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | how would you want to set it? Boundingbox of lat/lon? | 22:44 |
| Arkenoi | our 9.4 is going to be outdated soon | 22:44 |
| jonne|reconnecte | ideally just a couple of cities | 22:46 |
| jonne|reconnecte | give name of city (or navigate to it), then tell it to get all tiles in an 5 km radius or something | 22:47 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | I'm going to Haiti this summer, and I'd prefer to have some kind of map with me. But I guess I could do it old-school and buy a paper map | 22:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | jonne|reconnecte: openstreetmap | 22:48 |
| kpel | Nokia m#Maps stores the data on the device, right? | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jonne|reconnecte: possibly the best map after the quake | 22:49 |
| jonne|reconnecte | yeah, but how do i get it on my phone? | 22:49 |
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| kpel | for s60 devices i think there is a Maps installer (for windows) | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Haiti | 22:49 |
| jonne|reconnecte | all map apps kinda blow currently | 22:49 |
| kpel | no idea regarding maemo/linux | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | jonne|reconnecte: maemo mapper - there is one IIRC | 22:49 |
| lcuk | jonne|reconnecte, take png extracts from openstreetmap or any other source you can and in near worst situation use image viewer | 22:49 |
| lcuk | but in such a country wait until you get to area and take photos of maps and signs | 22:50 |
| lcuk | as you land | 22:50 |
| kpel | lol | 22:50 |
| lcuk | they will be more upto date than anything | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: OSM is up to date | 22:50 |
| lcuk | only if theres an internet connection from someone making tracks | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: there was a _lot_ of effort put in - and some stupidly high resolution imagery available | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i totally understand | 22:51 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i might help with OSM while i'm there, run a track of my whole trip or something | 22:51 |
| jonne|reconnecte | but current apps seem lacking for this | 22:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | maemo mapper will do downloading and cacheing of maps | 22:52 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, but use local knowledge where you can (i take photos of conference maps for instance) ;) | 22:52 |
| GAN900 | just pan over Haiti and download all of the levels you need | 22:52 |
| GAN900 | easy | 22:52 |
| jonne|reconnecte | SpeedEvil, i know it can, but it's not exactly to just drag your finger over a whole country to trigger tile downloads | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | sure it is | 22:53 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i need a way to get the tiles before i get there | 22:53 |
| jonne|reconnecte | *exactly practical | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | select it to get a radius | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | setup the zoom levels | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | click 'go' | 22:53 |
| lcuk | jonne|reconnecte, http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.93&lon=-71.19&zoom=7&layers=B000FTFT | 22:54 |
| lcuk | then click export :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | save it as a big png | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | ok - it's not quite clear | 22:54 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why as-daemon keeps running for several minutes eating 100% cpu sometimes | 22:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | the UI seems to have mislead me that it's easy | 22:54 |
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| opdf2 | wow google talk video chat on n900 is pretty cool. Is skype video chat enabled as well? | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right | 22:56 |
| jonne|reconnecte | oh, never found this option | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: no | 22:57 |
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| opdf2 | aww too bad | 22:57 |
| jonne|reconnecte | is 7774 maps a lot? | 22:57 |
| jonne|reconnecte | i guess i'll find out... | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | evening Jaffa \o | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | jonne|reconnecte: Aha - go to maps - set repository openstreetmap - then click manage maps - then select area - then enter the bounding lat/lon | 22:59 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | yep, just did that, it's downloading | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. I think I made an error. | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | 'confirm download of 1830210240 maps' | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that a lot? | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:00 |
| kpel | naaah | 23:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's borken if you zoom all the way out. | 23:01 |
| kpel | but anything above 1830210250 should make you worry :P | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Asking for levels 0,1,2 of the world - -930598144 | 23:01 |
| jonne|reconnecte | it's still processing the 7774 | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | each tile is about 10k | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | or thereabouts | 23:01 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | so i'm getting 70 MB worth of map? | 23:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` ... yummy | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 23:05 |
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| trumee | how can i setup an APN. The connection wizard only lets me setup wifi connection | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | fapn | 23:08 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: thanks | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jonne|reconnecte: Ah - I was asking for level 0 - which in OSM speak is the least detailed, but... | 23:09 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | actually i'm not sure if it's still processing/downloading | 23:10 |
| jonne|reconnecte | might just be trying to get a fix | 23:11 |
| jonne|reconnecte | which doesn't work indoors$ | 23:11 |
| jonne|reconnecte | or outdoors | 23:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | du /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 23:12 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | du -sch /home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 23:15 |
| jonne|reconnecte | 898.8M/home/user/MyDocs/.maps | 23:15 |
| jonne|reconnecte | 898.8Mtotal | 23:15 |
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| sECuRE | if i am about to develop a new GUI application, what would you recommend? going with GTK as it works right now or waiting for PR1.2 and using qtbuilder? | 23:20 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | hmm, the map thing can't find Léogane. I know the quake wiped the place out, but i didn't know it was so bad it was wiped off the map | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | qt now | 23:23 |
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| dockane_ | nabend | 23:27 |
| trumee | is it possible to get a push notification in gmail on N900? | 23:29 |
| trumee | does it have any downside compared to imap? | 23:29 |
| trumee | i currently use imap with gmail, but push will be cool if possible. | 23:30 |
| Arkenoi | trumee: via nokia messaging, yes | 23:30 |
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| trumee | Arkenoi: how well does it work? | 23:31 |
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| trumee | guess, tmo will have opinions about it :) | 23:35 |
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| Arkenoi | trumee: quite stable | 23:36 |
| Arkenoi | and fast enough | 23:36 |
| Arkenoi | or6105 | 23:36 |
| Arkenoi | oops | 23:36 |
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| trumee | Arkenoi: it grabs emails only not contacts? i dont want it messing up my contacts and calendar | 23:37 |
| Arkenoi | just email | 23:37 |
| trumee | Arkenoi: is it possible to have Nokia messaging and google imap running side by side? | 23:37 |
| Arkenoi | on the same device? | 23:37 |
| trumee | Arkenoi: yes. although dont see much fun in that | 23:38 |
| Arkenoi | i think yes, but there is no point in doing that | 23:38 |
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| kpel | is there a way to use Google Buzz via the Nokia IM? | 23:46 |
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