| lcuk | GAN900, a wear spot? | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | and also, what was that thing you said b4 | 00:00 |
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| * Arkenoi_ had one microscratch (invisible without really close inpection) on my previous n900 and none on recent one | 00:01 | |
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| woglinde | hi lcuk | 00:01 |
| Arkenoi_ | s/inpection/inspection/ | 00:02 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, dunno what from, but there's a circular wear area on the screen next to the statusbar | 00:02 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, stupid old Flickr reference. | 00:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, a bunch of these guys were spawning when I was down at the beach. http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/2798380464/ | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | I got pictures for you. ;) | 00:03 |
| lcuk | haha oh yeahh - now i remember the convo | 00:03 |
| lcuk | hiya woglinde | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | i must get round to screen protecting my phone | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: replace ts? | 00:04 |
| lcuk | tracy has scratched hers already playing angrybirds | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, it's a proto, I'll just get another if it comes down to it. | 00:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Since my earpiece is going anyway. | 00:04 |
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| woglinde | beagleboard pics | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, the decals on the maemo porsche suit it better than the meego one | 00:06 |
| Jaffa | Last N900 I got had 4 dead pixels; stuck on white. So it went back to Nokia. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i like the grey trim | 00:06 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I still need to do the stupid MeeGoites for the MeeGo one. | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | That'll pull it together better | 00:07 |
| lcuk | yeah will help | 00:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's really only half finished, so. | 00:07 |
| tybollt | msaemo porche? | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ | 00:07 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4263150331/ | 00:07 |
| tybollt | hmm | 00:08 |
| tybollt | grey and white | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4374755051/ | 00:08 |
| tybollt | that's actually good looking | 00:08 |
| Jaffa | Should be the company car, provided by Nokia, for the council chair. | 00:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 00:08 |
| * GeneralAntilles could go for a GT2. | 00:08 | |
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| * Stskeeps is tired about all the people who didn't do shit to contribute complain about N8x0 and Mer. | 00:08 | |
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| woglinde | stskeep what? | 00:09 |
| * woglinde contributes to n8x0 | 00:09 | |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: The number of people on tmo who think they're the community, but confine themselves to threads I never go near and never interact beyond these ghettos astound me. | 00:09 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, it's, like, 2 dozen people at most. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, they're just SUPER VOCAL. :P | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love the expressions I got from Quim in the photos of his talk at LFSF. | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4524299016/sizes/l/ | 00:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wish that were higher resolution. | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | 'dieeee' | 00:10 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 00:10 |
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| rm_you | GA: I love that it says "Collaboration" but all you can see is "Aboration", makes me think "Aberration" :P | 00:12 |
| FIQ | yay, i somehow got rid of the boot logo | 00:12 |
| FIQ | i don't know how i did but i never liked it | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the boot logo? | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | or the boot animation? | 00:13 |
| FIQ | but only just for knowing if i want it back for some reason: how to put it back? | 00:13 |
| FIQ | the anim | 00:13 |
| woglinde | fiq take a hammer | 00:13 |
| FIQ | ofc | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Nah, I wandered into the PR1.2 thread. It's like the overclocking one, but without the intelligence. | 00:15 |
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| lcuk | theres intelligence in the overclocking? | 00:15 |
| lcuk | i suppose theres logical testing | 00:15 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Compared with the PR1.2 one there is. | 00:15 |
| lcuk | to some degree | 00:15 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping... I could do with 3 IPs | 00:16 |
| quest_ | abend | 00:16 |
| lcuk | jaffa i use the vaispy thing and just get a snapshot every now and then | 00:16 |
| lbt | Jaffa: RWG thread ... :) | 00:16 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, ouch | 00:18 |
| FIQ | ARM Debian's package is usually incompatible with Maemo, often due to missing libs... why didn't N900 put those common libs in, or at least, the maemo community in some repository? except for the optifying, it shouldn't be any problems... or? | 00:18 |
| FIQ | packages* | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: for example - that's what I'd like some broken n900 motherboards for | 00:18 |
| lcuk | ? | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: getting them so they can boot, and locking them on max_volt and 1100MHz - and running folding@home on them | 00:19 |
| microlith | FIQ: because ARM Debian is a totally different distribution | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: and see when the first one fails | 00:19 |
| FIQ | so i/we easily could add Debians repositories and get thousends applications available from start? | 00:19 |
| FIQ | hmm | 00:19 |
| quest_ | is someone here who can help me with the app fmms? | 00:19 |
| FIQ | they share package manager, but that's the only thing they share? | 00:19 |
| microlith | all you'd need is for some upgrade of a core library to screw everything up | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: memory footprint is _important_ | 00:19 |
| microlith | FIQ: effectively, yes | 00:20 |
| microlith | some filesystem layout, but not much else | 00:20 |
| FIQ | ahh | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: you want as few duplicate libs on the device as you can | 00:20 |
| lcuk | fiq they share history, but theres maemoisms involved to make a lot of packages (especially those with ui) work | 00:20 |
| FIQ | though they had more things they share, but ok | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: Three font renderers for example - supporting different programs in memory - will use a lot of RAM | 00:20 |
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| woglinde | lumdidum | 00:22 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, does the mer being produced for joggler still boot happily on 900? | 00:23 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: it's not really getting produced, it was just some way to use the codebase | 00:23 |
| Stskeeps | but the same OS works on n900 yes | 00:23 |
| lcuk | so, you have a cross platform (arm and atom) variation that kinda sorta runs maemo apps - does it have qt in it? | 00:25 |
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| Stskeeps | qt4.5 | 00:25 |
| lcuk | and boots to a desktop? :D | 00:25 |
| Stskeeps | otoh, it will run hildon apps better than meego ever will ;) | 00:25 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:25 |
| lcuk | dare i ask - have you changed the packaging format yet or is it still deb? | 00:26 |
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| Stskeeps | still deb, naturally | 00:26 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes the joggler had halved, not doubled in price. | 00:28 | |
| lcuk | heh | 00:28 |
| nid0 | it did half in price in january! | 00:28 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, is qt just a matter of compilation | 00:29 |
| lcuk | within obs | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: yeah - I mean halved again | 00:30 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: pretty much | 00:31 |
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| Stskeeps | but now i'm off to sleep | 00:31 |
| lcuk | gnite | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | night | 00:34 |
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| Jophish_n900 | is there a wiki page about running android on the n900? | 00:35 |
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| Treibholz | Hmm, I think my n900 is broken. I used it the whole day and the battery still has more than 50%... | 00:37 |
| woglinde | lol | 00:38 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, btw I was wondering, hyperUI is pretty quick - will "normal" qt apps not written specifically for hyperUI also profit from increased speed or not? | 00:39 |
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| Shapeshifter | UI-wise speed (smoothness and that) | 00:39 |
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| woglinde | hyperUI? | 00:40 |
| woglinde | he javispedro | 00:40 |
| javispedro | evening woglinde | 00:40 |
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| Stskeeps | right, setting myself up for a beating: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=630615 | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, PR1.2 | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:58 |
| woglinde | javis pr1.2 in honkgong or something | 00:59 |
| Treibholz | and secure OverClocking to 2Ghz! | 00:59 |
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| woglinde | lol | 00:59 |
| javispedro | I wasn't exactly thinking that ... | 00:59 |
| woglinde | secure | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, what's a distmaster? :) | 00:59 |
| Treibholz | safe! | 00:59 |
| woglinde | MohammadAG stskeeps is one | 00:59 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: my signature should help | 00:59 |
| woglinde | for mer | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | woglinde, really? :P | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, well check it out | 01:00 |
| woglinde | wasnt stskeeps not at sleep? | 01:00 |
| woglinde | hm | 01:00 |
| woglinde | 23:31 < Stskeeps> but now i'm off to sleep | 01:00 |
| javispedro | yes, he's sleeping. this is his dream. | 01:00 |
| Shapeshifter | ... so people still think deb packaging is pure awesomeness... I just failed to build a package because I had *one* space between my mail address and the date in debian/changelog, instead of *two* spaces.... | 01:00 |
| javispedro | we're all dream people! ohnoes | 01:00 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter where is the problem? | 01:01 |
| Stskeeps | or nightmare, depending on perspective | 01:01 |
| woglinde | dpkg is telling you that the format is wrong | 01:01 |
| Shapeshifter | and of course it can't tell me that this was the mistake, it just says "badly formatted trailer line". | 01:01 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: vim syntax highlighting helps there | 01:01 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: well if it knows the format is wrong, then it does know why and where. | 01:01 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: true | 01:01 |
| javispedro | (happened to me like, 100 times) | 01:01 |
| woglinde | not to me | 01:02 |
| woglinde | I copy the last entr | 01:02 |
| woglinde | y | 01:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: you can't be defending this behavior though ;) | 01:02 |
| Shapeshifter | it's plain silly | 01:02 |
| woglinde | but now you knows | 01:02 |
| woglinde | send a patch | 01:02 |
| javispedro | woglinde: even the years old esr book | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | .... has a rule: "whitespace shouldn't matter" | 01:03 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, actually adhering to a specific syntax - however silly to you - ensures that all tools built to that spec can continue to work | 01:03 |
| woglinde | javispedro haha python | 01:03 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:03 |
| tybollt | hmm | 01:03 |
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| * PR1_2 :-| | 01:03 | |
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| woglinde | tyboollt honkong? | 01:04 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: well that is true. it also implies that the tools are outdated and unmaintained | 01:04 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter lol | 01:04 |
| lcuk | no, it means that changing them for petty things that so far 30,000++++ packages use the correct format for would be silly | 01:04 |
| lcuk | and that you should just suck it and accept | 01:04 |
| tybollt | woglinde: heh :) | 01:05 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter real master let the changelog generate erher from svn commits or git commits | 01:05 |
| woglinde | either | 01:05 |
| javispedro | naaaaaaa. RPM! RPM! RPM! | 01:05 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, now that is an improvement :) | 01:05 |
| * Shapeshifter disagrees and goes back to packaging archlinux packages. | 01:05 | |
| Shapeshifter | after I've ported curl to the n900. | 01:05 |
| lcuk | curl is here isnt it? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | or is that libcurl? | 01:06 |
| Shapeshifter | only libcurl and the python bindings | 01:06 |
| lcuk | ahh k | 01:06 |
| * lcuk used libcurl | 01:06 | |
| lcuk | name rang a blel | 01:06 |
| Macer | hello | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | bell | 01:06 |
| javispedro | hi Macer | 01:06 |
| woglinde | lcuk sure learn about git-buildpackage or svn-buildpackage | 01:06 |
| woglinde | reminds me of putting git-buildpackage into maemo | 01:07 |
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| lcuk | woglinde, mirroring changes for each commit into the changelog sounds useful | 01:08 |
| * lcuk goes and has a read | 01:08 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ sb2? | 01:08 |
| * timeless_mbp can't remember how to set it up | 01:08 | |
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| the_lord | done | 01:09 |
| the_lord | sorry | 01:09 |
| the_lord | Hi! | 01:09 |
| Shapeshifter | Mh, I'm following the wiki in how to port a debian package to maemo and apt-get source curl failed after downloading the package with 'Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x curl_7.20.1-1.dsc' failed. Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed.' I then went on unpacking it manually and doing some changes, but of course it can't build, missing lots of things like such: 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgnutls-dev stunnel ... | 01:09 |
| Shapeshifter | ... libkrb5-dev libidn11-dev libdb-dev (>= 4.7) libldap2-dev quilt libssh2-1-dev (>= 1.2) libgcrypt11-dev'. So, I though I might try installing dpkg-dev but this will now uninstall build-essential and like 50 hildon- and other maemo-related packages | 01:09 |
| the_lord | is there any way to tell modest to store emails instead of querying to the server each time I access to it? | 01:09 |
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| woglinde | Shapeshifter I am doing this with lots of packages | 01:10 |
| woglinde | firs you have to change compat stuff | 01:10 |
| woglinde | for fremantle you can use debhelper7 stuff from extras | 01:10 |
| * Jaffa plugs mud, which can help with this stuff. | 01:10 | |
| woglinde | there is a wiki page about | 01:10 |
| lbt | multi-user dungeons? | 01:10 |
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| woglinde | otherwise you have to change compat and debhelper back to version 5 | 01:11 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: okay thanks I'll look into debhelper | 01:11 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, do you foresee still using mud to work on mer/cross platform? or is it specifically tailored around scratchboxisms? | 01:12 |
| lcuk | (meego) | 01:12 |
| woglinde | but there should be libcurl already | 01:12 |
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| woglinde | hm mud? | 01:12 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: yes but not curl, the command line tool | 01:13 |
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| woglinde | sure? | 01:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: well I can't find it | 01:13 |
| Shapeshifter | apt-cache search curl doesn't reveal it | 01:13 |
| woglinde | hm fremantle or diablo? | 01:14 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: fremantle | 01:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | $ sb2 -e | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | FATAL: kernel too old | 01:14 |
| timeless_mbp | /bin/bash: relocation error: /bin/bash: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 01:14 |
| javispedro | you won't survive kernel too old | 01:15 |
| javispedro | it's a nightmare. | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | yum | 01:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | Linux 2.6.16-xenU #1 SMP Mon May 28 03:41:49 SAST 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | why is that too old? | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it's only 2007 | 01:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i was using linux in 2000! | 01:16 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: mud-built packages are, theoretically, abstracted from Scratchbox/deb/RPM | 01:17 |
| * javispedro 's server is still using 2.4 | 01:17 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: and could help with lbt's dream of "quickly re-package this upstream library for MeeGo" | 01:17 |
| lbt | :) | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | yeah - so its your take on what the autobuilder and obs do? | 01:18 |
| * Jaffa 's packaging of python-evolution, for example, says "here's a tarball URL, go to it" | 01:18 | |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter hm seems the maemo-maintainer cut the package out | 01:18 |
| woglinde | dont know why | 01:18 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: python-evo uses autoconf, or ... ? | 01:18 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Autobuilder is definitely complementary; but there's a lot of stuff whereby you can script the creation of the packaging specification *and don't need to version control them* | 01:18 |
| javispedro | woglinde: space saving reasons. | 01:18 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: so um | 01:18 |
| woglinde | javis????? | 01:19 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Err, think it uses the `python setup.py' pattern. | 01:19 |
| woglinde | curl is sperate package | 01:19 |
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| woglinde | depening of course on libcurl | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | jaffa, im only thinking from a migration POV - you have a slightly different view on it and obvious experience :) | 01:19 |
| woglinde | timeless 2.6.16 is ugly old | 01:20 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: interesting, and mud handles creating the entire package automatically when the tarball uses setup.py? | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | woglinde: it's a perfectly reasonable vintage! | 01:20 |
| timeless_mbp | i was even working at nokia at the time! | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: well I love curl, I thought someone with more experience might port it but it's not happening so I'm trying my luck | 01:20 |
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| woglinde | shapeshifter its ported | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Linux version 2.4.17_mvl21-malta-mips_fp_le (root@rhl) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release/MontaVista)) #5 Áù 3ÔÂ 4 13:37:03 CST 2006 is my oldest system that's currently up | 01:20 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Well, it's a *little* bit more than just a URL - but not much | 01:20 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: where, how? | 01:21 |
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| woglinde | but with out the curl package | 01:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ... | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 01:21 |
| woglinde | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_i386/libcurl3/7.18.2-8maemo5+0m5/ | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | meego/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped | 01:21 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm still talking about the command line tool | 01:21 |
| woglinde | ask Aapo Makela why he cut out commandline tool | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so apps are built against specific kernel versions? | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | what kind of insane platform is this? | 01:21 |
| javispedro | timeless: when ABI breaks, yes | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 01:21 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter on debian libcurl and curl packages are build from same src | 01:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: can one cross compile to a specific kernel? | 01:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not moving | 01:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least, not in any near future | 01:22 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, that sounds like when david says "obs needs a .tar.gz and a .dsc file" | 01:22 |
| Texrat | dudes | 01:22 |
| lcuk | Yo! Texrat | 01:22 |
| javispedro | timeless: that's the "nightmare" part. | 01:22 |
| Texrat | yo ho | 01:22 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: and you think asking him will get me curl sooner to the n900 then just porting it myself? | 01:22 |
| * javispedro 's server is using 2.6.31.5 | 01:22 | |
| javispedro | er.. | 01:23 |
| javispedro | wrong machine :) | 01:23 |
| * lcuk server is using pr1.2 ;) | 01:23 | |
| Texrat | lol | 01:23 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter I would like to see it in a sane way | 01:23 |
| Texrat | hey, what about w00t' | 01:23 |
| javispedro | timeless: if you can set up a vm with the exact same setup --- way easier. | 01:23 |
| lcuk | w00t_ you mean | 01:23 |
| Texrat | w00t's theory? the more we mention "it", the more it's delayed | 01:23 |
| lcuk | and whats he done this time | 01:23 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter wouldnt be good you compile it only localy for you | 01:23 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: sorry, i don't have infinite resources | 01:24 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, i don't have any resources | 01:24 |
| woglinde | hm I should give courses | 01:24 |
| * w00t_ nods, sagely | 01:24 | |
| woglinde | "writing good debian-packages" | 01:24 |
| w00t_ | Texrat: it knows you wait it - and plays hard to get as a result | 01:24 |
| Texrat | damn the thing! | 01:24 |
| Texrat | if that's how it's gonan be I don't want it, sooo... | 01:25 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: well can't I just do it in a way autobuilder can build it and upload it to the queue? | 01:25 |
| lcuk | w00t_, i fixed totally the git problem from last week | 01:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: that's what I was planning | 01:25 |
| Texrat | pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 pr1.2 | 01:25 |
| lcuk | all the maemo optify boottime patches are nicely on git repo now | 01:25 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter nope | 01:25 |
| Texrat | I just delayed it to next year | 01:25 |
| * microlith hits Texrat with a stick | 01:25 | |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter as I said libcurl and curl comes from same source package | 01:25 |
| * Texrat ouches | 01:25 | |
| w00t_ | lcuk: \o/ | 01:25 |
| woglinde | you would than have to libcurl packages in the repos | 01:26 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: what repo? I might have a nose around sometime | 01:26 |
| woglinde | not good and not wanted | 01:26 |
| woglinde | args | 01:26 |
| Shapeshifter | woglinde: oohkay | 01:26 |
| woglinde | s/to/two | 01:26 |
| lcuk | w00t_, maemo-optify-boottime on gitorious | 01:26 |
| woglinde | lcuk haha | 01:26 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:26 | |
| Shapeshifter | so basically they left out this ~111K wonderful piece of software because... | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | my conversion moved from jul 23 to aug 13 | 01:27 |
| lcuk | woglinde, ? | 01:27 |
| lcuk | i broke git completely | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | so it did roughly 20 days in probably 20 hours | 01:27 |
| lcuk | driver error | 01:27 |
| Texrat | tsg meeting tomorrow bitches | 01:27 |
| woglinde | lcuk lol | 01:27 |
| lcuk | if it was a car it would be wrapped around a tree | 01:27 |
| woglinde | lcuk pointer to the patches? | 01:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Texrat: i think i'll be @ an osol ug instead :) | 01:27 |
| lcuk | and the tree would fall over and knockdown someone elses farmhouse | 01:27 |
| woglinde | lcuk no | 01:27 |
| lcuk | woglinde, on the repo | 01:28 |
| woglinde | *sigh* | 01:28 |
| woglinde | which repo? | 01:28 |
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| lcuk | gitorious | 01:28 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 01:28 |
| woglinde | ah | 01:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | woglinde: whoa... the internets... searching on google for 'Aapo Makela maemo' lists *this* chat we just had on 5th place! http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html also, is this logging done with permission I wonder | 01:30 |
| woglinde | Shapeshifter it is | 01:31 |
| woglinde | lcuk clean up the rules file | 01:31 |
| woglinde | why you need dh_perl? | 01:31 |
| lcuk | woglinde, leftovers, if you want to raise a bug so we can put things against and submit a patch it would be easier - im not commiting *any* mods without discussion no matter how trivial | 01:34 |
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| woglinde | better depend on the tools using in the scripts | 01:34 |
| woglinde | *g* | 01:35 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:35 | |
| lcuk | its not harming things | 01:35 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: The maemo.org autobuilder just needs a .tar.gz and a .dsc file; but the .tar.gz need to contain a debian/ directory containing Makefiles with certain targets etc. | 01:35 |
| woglinde | jaffa o.O | 01:36 |
| lcuk | woglinde, ill happily run over anything with you tho so if you have questions etc after looking fire away | 01:36 |
| lcuk | because its something we obviously dont want problems with | 01:36 |
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| woglinde | sorry now time for security analysis | 01:41 |
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| * javispedro reads Sts's review thread. | 01:50 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: so... | 01:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm screwed? | 01:50 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:50 | |
| javispedro | timeless: seems like your problem might be easier than mine, but wrong person to ask then (I don't know what changed between those versions) | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: any idea how i'd figure out the changes? | 01:51 |
| timeless_mbp | google for linux abi gives me freebsd linux emulation | 01:51 |
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| javispedro | years ago there was this .note section in ELF with the ABI version | 01:52 |
| javispedro | but I just check my binaries and it's not there. | 01:52 |
| javispedro | *-ed. | 01:52 |
| javispedro | so, dunno. | 01:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly i don't have strace or gdb yet | 01:53 |
| rm_you | timeless_mbp: whatcha trying to figure out? | 01:54 |
| javispedro | ah, here it is. .note.ABI-tag | 01:54 |
| timeless_mbp | rm_you: Stskeeps built me a meego tarball | 01:54 |
| rm_you | ah, neat | 01:55 |
| rm_you | i guess | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but it's targetted to a 2.6.25 kernel | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and i have 2.6.16 (?) | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | so nothing runs | 01:55 |
| rm_you | is that public-esque? or internal? | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | the tarball url is in the logs for this channel, i slurped it from here :) | 01:55 |
| rm_you | lol | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | or there, however you want to think about it | 01:55 |
| rm_you | so, public-esque :P | 01:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but … i want to be able to *use* it... | 01:56 |
| rm_you | i've yet to find an rpm distro that i consider "usable" | 01:57 |
| rm_you | maybe meego will finally fix that? :/ | 01:57 |
| lcuk | gnite woglinde timeless_mbp rm_you rest of maemo etc | 01:58 |
| rm_you | nite lcuk | 01:58 |
| javispedro | gnite luck | 01:58 |
| javispedro | timeless: without rebuilding it? you might need to binary patch it | 01:58 |
| lcuk | javispedro \o | 01:58 |
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| Arkenoi_ | fedora seems quite usable for me. but it is desktop distro. | 01:58 |
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| javispedro | timeless: and chances are it will fail to find some glibc function or the like | 01:59 |
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| opdf2 | if the n900 says fully charged and I keep the charger plugged in...does using it use battery or the AC? | 02:00 |
| FauxFaux | AC. | 02:02 |
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| MohammadAG | <opdf2> if the n900 says fully charged and I keep the charger plugged in...does using it use battery or the AC? | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | <FauxFaux> AC. | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | DC | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | check before you say something ;) | 02:04 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i'm ok w/ rebuilding libc (barely) | 02:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so long as i don't have to rebuild the whole platform | 02:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | the charger converts AC to DC, no? :) | 02:05 |
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| rm_you | it uses the battery but the use is minimal enough that it recharges almost immediately, IIRC? | 02:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but the goal of the question was to ask "is it draining power from the wall or the battery" | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | it uses the battery and keeps dropping | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | till it gets to some percentage, after which it kicks into charging mode again | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | 85% I think | 02:06 |
| rm_you | interesting | 02:06 |
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| FauxFaux | You sure? I have batterygraph and the charger that charges so slowly that it sometimes doesn't charge at all on my desk at work. | 02:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: are you trickle charging at 0.1 amp instead of service charging at 0.5 amps? | 02:09 |
| FauxFaux | I don't know! | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | does it say 'charging' or 'mass storage' or 'pc suite'? | 02:09 |
| FauxFaux | Assumably charging. | 02:09 |
| timeless_mbp | charging is bad | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a terrible translation | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | it's really "trickle charging" | 02:10 |
| FauxFaux | The fast charger says "Charging" too. | 02:10 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah well | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a big difference between 1.2 amps and 0.1 amps! | 02:11 |
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| FauxFaux | Iirc the slow charger is 320ma. | 02:11 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 02:12 |
| timeless_mbp | usb lets devices draw 100ma w/o providing a service | 02:12 |
| timeless_mbp | if they provide a service, they can draw up to 500ma | 02:12 |
| rm_you | timeless_mbp: weird. never knew that | 02:12 |
| timeless_mbp | which? | 02:12 |
| FauxFaux | By "slow charger" I mean "the older-style hypodermic charger plugged into the provided convertor block". | 02:13 |
| rm_you | so by not putting my n900 in pc suite or something, it charges slower? | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 02:13 |
| rm_you | crazy | 02:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:13 |
| rm_you | i wish i'd known that a long time ago | 02:13 |
| timeless_mbp | rm_you: the idea is that it's rude to steal power | 02:13 |
| rm_you | while trying to charge my device and failing :P | 02:13 |
| rm_you | lol | 02:13 |
| FauxFaux | I thought traditionally you got high power as soon as the driver bothered to load. But, then, pc suite is asteaming pile of shit and I haven't even bothered to install it to find out how much it fails. | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus describes this stuff | 02:14 |
| javispedro | timeless: na, version tag is on every binary, and your dynamic loader is rejecting that (either because it compares it with current kernel or because it has it hardcoded) | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: pc suite is basically usb-networking | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: i can use perl to rewrite each binary | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | that's not a big deal | 02:15 |
| FauxFaux | Yet it doesn't work in so many ways. | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | FauxFaux: you don't need to install pc suite to be able to use pc suite mode | 02:15 |
| javispedro | timeless: grab a elf module; you need to edit contents of a section | 02:15 |
| timeless_mbp | so you can use pc suite mode and get 500ma | 02:15 |
| javispedro | *elf parsing perl module | 02:15 |
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| FauxFaux | Well, I have no idea where I put my usb cable and have wireless next to both of my machines so I don't really care. | 02:16 |
| PaulAnagrama | hi | 02:16 |
| javispedro | '.note.ABI-tag' will end with three uint32s: 2, 6, 25. you can guess what they're for :) | 02:16 |
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| javispedro | timeless: btw, note that even if you don't select a service in the n900, when plugged in via usb, it will act as a usb mass storage device (with no disks iirc) and grab 500mA. | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: depends on the version of the maemo package :) | 02:20 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, some do that :) | 02:20 |
| * javispedro wonders what kind of glorified beagle board you have ;) | 02:21 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: the older system software most definitely didn't do that | 02:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't remember if we changed it in time for 1.0 or if we changed it later | 02:21 |
| javispedro | ah, I didn't bother to check :P | 02:22 |
| javispedro | pretty ironic if "charge only" mode would charge more slowly =) | 02:22 |
| timeless_mbp | it really did originally | 02:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | and unintentional irony is something we're pretty good at | 02:23 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders why nokia is paying for 'nokia comes with music' ads for the finnish tv market | 02:23 | |
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| woglinde | timeless lol | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | bjork? | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 02:27 |
| njsf_ | SpeedEvil: last I checked Bjork was Icelandic not Finnish | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence the oops. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh! | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | How could I have forgotten Lordi. | 02:29 |
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| woglinde | hehe | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh! Darude++ | 02:30 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, same here | 02:46 |
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| rm_you | Darude is finnish? >_> | 02:50 |
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| javispedro | lol at "Whenever you want information on the 'net, don't ask a question; just post a wrong answer.", how true. | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | So says wikipedia. | 02:52 |
| * javispedro goes troll a bit more on tmo | 02:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | And wikipedia never lies. | 02:52 |
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| svanheulen | hello | 02:56 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, only apple says that | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG | they quoted a wrong wikipedia statement when they sued Nokia XD | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: the bq27200 - there is no better way of working out the sampling time than trying to watch for changes, and doing the pll thing? | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you're not really concerned about bq27x00 internal register update interval | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc there are even several different intervals for different data/registers | 03:06 |
| lcuk | hello svanheulen | 03:06 |
| svanheulen | I'm having problems with wlancond crashing on my n900 almost every other time I open the internet connections. Anyone else have that problem? | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: after all there's not really an issue like aliasing between the polling period you read out bq27x00 and the periods the various registers update | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm trying to correlate power usage over the previous interval | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: So the spread of +-2.56 seconds is annoying | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | svanheulen: not seen that | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not sure if I get your point. Anyway just do massive obersampling, like once / second | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | over* | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: well - yes - but for the whole powersaving thing. | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess PLL it is | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, readout of bq isn't a heavy task | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure pll will pan out | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's not heavy - but it is an extra tick | 03:11 |
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| summel | i want to shoot the nokia devs >_> | 03:12 |
| lcuk | <-< please don't | 03:12 |
| rm_you | that would be unfortunate | 03:13 |
| rm_you | also, didn't you go to bed lcuk? :P\ | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you'll need to probe at least 2 times shortly before and after an assumed event (let's call it event when bq updates). So you have at least 2 readouts per period, and still occasionally miss. If you do a fixed period sampling with freq(sample) = freq(event) * 2.2 then you also for sure catch each value | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning something very minimal. every 10th tick, do an extra sample .5s after your nominal one. If this changes from your nominal sample, that means you're close to teh period | 03:13 |
| lcuk | bed desk code editor - whats the difference | 03:13 |
| summel | well thats the SECOND sdhc card destroyed by n n900 | 03:13 |
| summel | 2 different sdhc cards 2 different n900s.. both cards unuseable now -_- | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 03:14 |
| javispedro | svanheulen: no, but wlancond is open, btw. | 03:14 |
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| teilzeitstudent | Does anyone know how maemo handles the wear and tear issue of flash drives? I.e. does adding a new url to the browser make the disk die faster? | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: are you doing anything wired? | 03:14 |
| summel | also i cant delete an pdf file from the memory... i can delete every other file! | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: wierd | 03:14 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: i wanted to download an ogv video and my freind wanted to make a backup... | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: the wear is essentially unimportant | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: they won't format on other devices? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if you're interested in every 10th event only, I don't see the problem if every 30th probe gets you the 11th event instead of the 10th | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: are these cards purchased through the primary channels, or on ebay? | 03:15 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: we formated his card yesterday... after it didnt work on the n900 anymore and it got REALLY hot oO | 03:15 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: amazon | 03:15 |
| summel | sandisk cards | 03:15 |
| summel | nothing scary :P | 03:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean - you use that every 10th event to lock the PLL - as the frequecy does not vary | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you add a 10% jitter to your data, but so what? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 03:16 |
| summel | and the sdk sucks also :o | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: amazon themselves - or one of the amazon retailers? | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how smart | 03:16 |
| summel | amazon themselves | 03:16 |
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| summel | i dont like the retailers | 03:16 |
| summel | we already sent the first card back | 03:16 |
| summel | guess i have send mine back also | 03:16 |
| summel | but i dont think its the cards faut | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 | 03:17 |
| summel | because the one in my netbook works fine | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, the jitter still is the only problem you get when not syncing | 03:17 |
| summel | even while it is under heavier use... | 03:17 |
| lcuk | summel, are you by chance situated near CERN? | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | there are shit cards out there in the market that are unreliable. | 03:17 |
| summel | lcuk: no :D | 03:17 |
| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, please define "unimportant" :P i dont feel like buying a new device just cuz i used the browser too often, some media player updated its db a lot or w/e | 03:17 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: yes, but i wouldnt say this about sandisk :o | 03:17 |
| lcuk | summel, "the one in your netbook" | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: The device is designed so that that's not an issue at all. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | is that the one thats not working on the 900 | 03:18 |
| summel | lcuk: no we ordered 3 cards... 1 for my netbook and 2 for our 2 n900s | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: the makers of dodgy cards do not print 'crapco' on it. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, i imagine you could probably make the flash wear out by saving bookmarks | 03:18 |
| summel | the 2 from the n900s stoped working yesterday/now | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: however - for 2 to die is concerning. | 03:18 |
| lcuk | but it will either take you a very very long time | 03:18 |
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| lcuk | or you can save links at 0.0000001s or something | 03:19 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: i dont think amazon sells fake sandisk cards :o | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: probably not. | 03:19 |
| lcuk | ok summel | 03:19 |
| lcuk | it could be down to what sort of data you are putting on them and format etc | 03:19 |
| summel | also why cant i compile a qt4 application for my phone? i dont want to use it only in the sdk :( | 03:19 |
| lcuk | are they still fat | 03:19 |
| summel | *shoots some random developer* | 03:19 |
| * lcuk ducks | 03:20 | |
| javispedro | ~shoot summel | 03:20 |
| * infobot shoots summel in the ear with a cork gun! | 03:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: nobody has setup a build environment on the phone. Of course you can. | 03:20 |
| summel | lcuk: my freind did a backup (whioch worked fine for me) and i just anted do woanload a video oO | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (2 to die) not really, considering they were from same batch | 03:20 |
| lcuk | ok i put videos on and off all the time | 03:20 |
| lcuk | on internal at least | 03:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes. I mean - it's concerning if they are legit functioning cards. | 03:20 |
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| lcuk | did you disconnect whilst copying or something? | 03:20 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: but i want to buoild the app in the sdk and use it NOW on my phone and not wait for pr1.2 -_- | 03:20 |
| summel | if it will ever arrive... | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: oh | 03:21 |
| lcuk | it will | 03:21 |
| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, care to elaborate on that? i.e. are the writes bufferd in ram for XY mb? how is a crash handled then? or are the writes flushed immediatly? | 03:21 |
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| summel | compiling the app itself on the n900 would probably take days :o | 03:21 |
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| lcuk | :) i used to compile everything of mine on the n810 | 03:21 |
| summel | lcuk: no because the qt in the sdk is newer :( | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: after bunnie's blog I'm not astonished by anything | 03:21 |
| summel | so i get symbol lookup errors when running the app on the device :( | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: Broadly - ubifs does wear leveling internally - this is the filesystem on / | 03:21 |
| teilzeitstudent | lcuk, the bookmarks are not really my concern.. the media players i use are mostly. if they store their metadata db on disk and rescan everytime i change a file... | 03:21 |
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| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, alright I'll take a look at ubifs thanks | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html | 03:22 |
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| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, if the device could not cope with that sort of activity it would not have been put onto it | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | also is relevant | 03:22 |
| javispedro | aren't you worrying too hard? | 03:22 |
| lcuk | we have a 5mpixel camera that writes tonnes, chillax | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: in general - you can write to a particular block on a SD card a few hundred thousand times without issues | 03:23 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: they are vfat formatted because i were told that the n900 only supports vfat on external memory because vfat is "hardcoded" in the mount scripts.... one more reason to shoot the devs :P | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: The wear leveling is over a block of ~1000 'real' blocks on the disk | 03:23 |
| summel | and why cant i delte the one pdf file? | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: what shows in syslog when you do the cards | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: what happens when you try as root? | 03:24 |
| lcuk | summel, permissions? | 03:24 |
| summel | if i tap on "delete" i see every folder/file but not that one pdf oO | 03:24 |
| summel | SpeedEvil: a lot of i/o errors | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never looked at the file manager | 03:24 |
| lcuk | which pdf is it | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | fsck.vfat it | 03:24 |
| summel | lcuk: so when i save an pdf file i recieved in a mail from the mail applkication i dont have the permission to delete it later? | 03:24 |
| summel | >_> | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | err, the partition | 03:24 |
| lcuk | summel, i was asking what it was | 03:24 |
| lcuk | you just told me | 03:25 |
| summel | lcuk: oh and btw there are no permissionson vfat! | 03:25 |
| summel | ;_; | 03:26 |
| lcuk | summel, this one file is on the memory card you already said is busted? | 03:26 |
| lcuk | i thought it was on internal memory? | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: when fs corrupted, it's remount ro | 03:26 |
| summel | lcuk: i tried to delete it before that | 03:26 |
| summel | it never shows up on the delte window | 03:26 |
| summel | i can open it and read and stuff :/ | 03:26 |
| lcuk | so the filesystem got corrupted | 03:26 |
| teilzeitstudent | lcuk, well... that is asuming that thecorporation behind the device is not only after my money and I have been burned before :< | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: dumping the contents of /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc1/mmc1:0001 | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: all the files - and posting them on a 'corrupt cards' thread on tmo may be of slight use | 03:27 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, of course | 03:27 |
| lcuk | im sure the topic has been gone over many times on talk.maemo.org | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's in dmesg? | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel: these are the card ID info | 03:27 |
| lcuk | and there are some better quoted figures if you dont want to take our word for it | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Summel - see that - with the above ids | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 03:28 |
| summel | i could delete BOTH files from the shell btw | 03:28 |
| summel | as user | 03:29 |
| summel | not root | 03:29 |
| summel | !!!! | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh?? | 03:29 |
| summel | and now everything works again | 03:29 |
| summel | :) | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? | 03:29 |
| * summel pulls out his gun again >_> | 03:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you're saying root failed on deleting them? | 03:29 |
| summel | when i deleted the part of the video from the filemanager it always reaeared when restarting the filemanager | 03:29 |
| summel | no | 03:29 |
| summel | the filemanager | 03:30 |
| javispedro | the part of the video | 03:30 |
| summel | didnt show the pdf in the delte window | 03:30 |
| summel | and when i deleted the part of the video that got downloaded it reappeared | 03:30 |
| summel | but i still want to download the video :o | 03:30 |
| summel | also the adblock+ plugin does not work -_- | 03:30 |
| summel | if i follow the instructions for opening the window where i can select the subscriptions i always get a file not found -_- | 03:31 |
| teilzeitstudent | lcuk, no offence intended, but if I took every word spoken on irc as a fact... xD im just curious about the kernel/userland tools used. i touched that topic briefly when building a gentoo-on-usb-drive thingy, but what I found still left a lot of unneeded writes to disk with every-day activity | 03:31 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, none taken, you asked for some advice we offered and even gave you a pointer to where you can find more info | 03:32 |
| lcuk | ive been hammering my system recently almost as much a beating as my 810 got | 03:33 |
| lcuk | and its coped admirably | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | teilzeitstudent: uSD cards have been put to a fulltime-stresstest by c't (german mag) - they couldn't provoke any block burnouts in months(!!) of hammering the devices under test | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's been years ago | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cards probably goit better since | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I saw some tests also on the olpc mailing list | 03:35 |
| summel | nite -_- | 03:35 |
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| teilzeitstudent | DocScrutinizer, got a link or... "heft nummer"? :p | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, not off top of my head | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | has to be some 2..4years ago | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/NAND_Testing#SD_Cards aha! | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | See that | 03:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | twouters: | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even longer | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | teilzeitstudent: http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/2006/18/168_kiosk maybe this one. See "Flash-Haltbarkeit" tag | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or this http://www.heise.de/kiosk/archiv/ct/2006/23/142_kiosk | 03:48 |
| narcissus_ | Are there any extremely kind people here that could build the rtl8187 kernel module for os2007he for me? I've been trying to do it myself for a Very long time now. | 03:49 |
| teilzeitstudent | dockane, sec... I'll check it | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.heise.de/ct/suche/?q=Flash-Haltbarkeit&search_submit=Suchen&rm=search&channel=ct | 03:52 |
| izzox | hello all | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that should suffice to kickstart your investigations ;-) | 03:52 |
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| teilzeitstudent | though, seeing that the partition used by the /home directory is ext3.. says "data=writeback", but still does journaling | 03:54 |
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| javispedro | data=writeback doesn't disable journaling for metadata | 03:56 |
| teilzeitstudent | hmm, probably time to get some sd card to put the swap onto.. and the home dir with all those configuration files. and often chaninging playlists. | 03:56 |
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| javispedro | the home dir is on the 32 emmc, with hardware wear leveling. | 03:57 |
| Termana | good morning | 03:57 |
| javispedro | *32 GiB. | 03:57 |
| teilzeitstudent | javispedro, the MyDocs stuff is not my concern.. i have control over what is written there. the problem is /home/user with all those config files, databases etc. | 03:58 |
| javispedro | I didn't say anything about MyDocs. | 03:58 |
| javispedro | the home dir is on a 2 GiB partition on the 32 GiB eMMC. | 03:58 |
| teilzeitstudent | yea | 03:58 |
| javispedro | wear leveling is performed over the entire 32 GiB. | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 04:00 |
| teilzeitstudent | yea.. but assuming ubifs knows what it is doing, i can disregard the root, put the /home/ on some sd card, write the hell out of it and then just change the sd card every know and then | 04:00 |
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| teilzeitstudent | and use the device for a couple of years | 04:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 04:00 | |
| javispedro | just count how many times a 100 KiB file would need to be written to fill a 32 GiB 1000 times at least. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: it's not quite that simple - the wear leveling is not across the whole device typoically | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash ist heutzutage 'unkaputtbar' | 04:02 |
| teilzeitstudent | the bash history is stored between reboots -> eveytime i use the shell some file is written there. same for the browser. the media player stores its database somewhere. i do add/remove media files a lot. it all adds up. | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | (though it's not a concern) | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: It adds up to an _INSIGNIFICANT_ degree | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: normal filesystem operations, are not a real concern in terms of longevity | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably need a real to even hold the ratio | 04:03 |
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| flaco | hi all... anyone can helpme with scratchbox2 pls? | 04:04 |
| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, I had an mp3 player with an actual hard drive. I changed playlists, mp3s almost every day and it lastet for years. I had some flash player and after a year the disk was unusable. | 04:04 |
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| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, the internal, non-removable one~ | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | too bad, maybe it had no wear leveling, or wrote back the position in your current song 10 times a second, or was simply a lemon | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | teilzeitstudent: One device does not statistics make. | 04:06 |
| teilzeitstudent | It was a SonyEriccson... so probably all of the above :p | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't seen anyone saying they they've had errors on teh internal MMC | 04:06 |
| javispedro | I have, but it was too early for the cause to be wearing | 04:07 |
| javispedro | *wear. | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | teilzeitstudent: please, this has been debated ad nauseum all over the internets. Common sense is, flash will live longer than you do, most probably. There's no usage pattern where you need to be concerned about wear | 04:07 |
| Ken-Young | teilzeitstudent, If you're really worried about this, why not try to configure your device so that most of the writes occur on the removable microSD - in the unlikely event it wears out, you can cheaply replace it? | 04:08 |
| javispedro | there's no _interactive_ usage pattern | 04:08 |
| javispedro | ;P | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | though even server SSDs have a 5 year warranty today | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's surely non-interactive use | 04:09 |
| teilzeitstudent | and surely hardware designed for server use. | 04:10 |
| javispedro | but afaiu they will have much longer lifespans than cheap emmcs | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect /syus/class/ubi/ will tell you about the failed blocks of the internal onenand | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | teilzeitstudent: nope, the flash chips are the very same, as are the wear leveling algos mostly | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares about oneNAND. It's been pointed at several times $home is on eMMC | 04:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ues | 04:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | onenand you get hard numbers | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | as to failed blocks | 04:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | mmc hides | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ntil capacity goes down | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | capacity can't go down in a mmc | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | as it emulates a block device | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ohj | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't you think it will eventually start to report bad blocks, when it runs out of spare? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply report lower usable capacity? | 04:15 |
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| javispedro | I doubt it would report lower usable capacity, it would break havoc at filesystem | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, depends on controller | 04:15 |
| javispedro | and probably cause much more damage than a single bad block | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It can't report lower capacity without breaking the block device model | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway - /sys/class/ubi/ubi0/bad_peb_count - says how many bad blocks your onenand has. | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, time for a nap. Can't follow anymore | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 04:16 |
| javispedro | hah! I have zero. | 04:17 |
| javispedro | :) | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | a few are normal even off fab | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why NAND is a PITA | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 04:18 |
| * SpeedEvil contemplates pita, and goes to look up recipies. | 04:18 | |
| teilzeitstudent | Also nota that noone suggests putting a swap partition on a flash disk :p | 04:18 |
| teilzeitstudent | noteÜ | 04:18 |
| teilzeitstudent | note** | 04:18 |
| javispedro | swap partition! with swappiness set to an unreasonably high value! | 04:19 |
| javispedro | and yet someone though it was OK. | 04:19 |
| javispedro | so, stop worrying, unless your plan is to put gazillions of gigabytes through it. | 04:19 |
| teilzeitstudent | Or having 5 browser windows open, all with javascript running, the media player, a console and, for the fun of it, some random sudoku app | 04:20 |
| javispedro | the overclocked CPU will break before the internal flash does :P | 04:20 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: stop me if I'm wrong | 04:21 |
| teilzeitstudent | javispedro, probably :P | 04:21 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: headphone splitter, if you use twice the same headphone, so 2x the same impedance in parallel, so impedance cut in 2, so current required doubled, right? | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone who - if they got it wrong - would cost nokia several million dollars. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | This has been carefully researched. | 04:21 |
| * crashanddie 's electronics are so rusty it's shameful | 04:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: exactly! | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 04:22 |
| teilzeitstudent | SpeedEvil, or they though they would make more money by selling crappy devices than settling outside of court. | 04:22 |
| teilzeitstudent | +t | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | warranty returns cost lost of money | 04:23 |
| javispedro | ++ | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | lots, even | 04:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | A returned device to swap the mainboard is _well_ into negative profit. | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: though e.g on N900 you got an internal impedance of iirc 32Ohm, so the current will rise a bit from the amp, but same time voltage and thus current thru each of the headphones goes down | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Before even getting to the consequent damage to reputation, and the likelyhood of the person buying again | 04:24 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: so battery impact is minimal, you just get lower volume | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:24 |
| teilzeitstudent | Which keeps factory at higher "percentage of output vs. standing costs", which looks good in the budget review which keeps investors happy which keeps interest rates low which keeps everything nice. | 04:25 |
| teilzeitstudent | Not to mention the "a well, somethings wrong with that gadget but the ads for the new version look nice". Which keeps Apple profitable :p | 04:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks, teilzeitstudent is all OC-fools' antimater | 04:28 | |
| javispedro | nokia has ads? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope he's solid enough to anihilate all of them - though I doubt as those are legion | 04:29 |
| teilzeitstudent | asuming that "antimater" is the opposite to "animator" (e.g. those guys in a bear suite telling you to buy stuff), i still have no idea what "OC-fools" means | 04:29 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no way. Though I hope that if a sizable group of them annihilate the resulting explosion wreaks havoc in TMO. | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "I installed 2GHz-kernel and eMMC-saver-tweak. It blasted away my home" X-P | 04:33 |
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| javispedro | I have that eMMC saver tweak. its called swap over network block device =) | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | NFS | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:34 |
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| ShadowJK | nbd :) | 04:36 |
| javispedro | yep | 04:37 |
| javispedro | and it's awfully slow (no wonder, maybe reducing swappiness...) | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | NFS? Who needs NFS, real-time rsync | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | Now there's some swap! | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm you need to buffer it in RAM, or if that is used, then in swap :-P | 04:38 |
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| crashanddie | import pexpect; swap = pexpect.spawn('rsync'); swap.write(data) | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | swap out the swap buffers | 04:38 |
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| javispedro | real-time rsync over ssh to a machine with home mounted via webdav/fuse on AU ! | 04:39 |
| * javispedro wonders how long until someone says "swap over tcp/ip over carrier pigeons" | 04:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but only with 3GHz OC | 04:39 |
| crashanddie | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/mfd/2/03_jfjez.png | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise gets unbearably slow | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: got the RFC? | 04:40 |
| javispedro | it's a google search away I hope. | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 04:41 |
| javispedro | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html | 04:41 |
| javispedro | it was :) | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | ~rfc tcp pigeon | 04:41 |
| javispedro | infobot also uses carrier pigeons | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | ~useless | 04:41 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 04:41 | |
| crashanddie | apparently | 04:41 |
| javispedro | ~google infobot | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | is infobot particularly slow today? | 04:42 |
| javispedro | I don't know why, but the idea of a ip over carrier pigeons Denial of Service attack just crossed my mind | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lmao | 04:42 |
| javispedro | *cue scene from The Birds* | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 04:43 |
| infobot | ~pong | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~google doesn't work | 04:43 |
| javispedro | ~slashdot apple | 04:43 |
| infobot | Slashdot Headlines (7 of 15): Apple Just Says Yes To iPhone Smoking Game ;; The 4G iPhone's Finder Reportedly Located ;; Terry Childs Found Guilty ;; Rocket Racing League Showcases New X-Racers ;; Ogg Format Accusations Refuted ;; Supreme Court To Consider First Sale of Imports ;; Senators Tell Facebook To Quit Sharing Users' Info. | 04:43 |
| javispedro | there. | 04:44 |
| acidjazz | ~prostitutes san francisco | 04:44 |
| acidjazz | ~sudo rm -rf / | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu acidjazz | 04:45 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to acidjazz in a way that causes acidjazz to weep with gratitude that acidjazz must read the fine, friendly manual | 04:45 | |
| crashanddie | ~perv DocScrutinizer | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~redhat crashanddie | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | ~windows DocScrutinizer | 04:46 |
| * infobot installs Windows ME on DocScrutinizer's PC. | 04:46 | |
| crashanddie | ~osx DocScrutinizer | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo crashanddie | 04:46 |
| * infobot recompiles crashanddie again | 04:46 | |
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| crashanddie | NOOOO | 04:46 |
| crashanddie | [11:46] *infobot* help mac [11:46] <infobot> no help on mac. | 04:47 |
| * javispedro plans to buy a gazillion core workstation just to be able to use gentoo | 04:47 | |
| crashanddie | Gentoo doesn't need a lot of computing power | 04:47 |
| crashanddie | it just requires a lot of patience | 04:48 |
| javispedro | you CAN'T have enough patience | 04:48 |
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| crashanddie | of course you can | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | you're a man | 04:48 |
| javispedro | specially by the third time the OOo build fails for some reason, like ENOSPC | 04:48 |
| crashanddie | dude, you just take the binaries for ooo | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ENOSENSE | 04:49 |
| javispedro | baaah, where's the leetness on that. | 04:49 |
| crashanddie | and no, having -O6 doesn't make sense | 04:49 |
| lcuk | of course, because -O5 is better on ARMEL | 04:49 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: Gentoo isn't about leetness, and if you think using a computer in any kind of way, form or fashion makes you leet, you need to go back to the hackademy | 04:50 |
| * javispedro is not talking seriously :) | 04:50 | |
| crashanddie | neither am i :0 | 04:50 |
| crashanddie | btw, everytime i type :0, actually i mean :) | 04:50 |
| crashanddie | it's just that my shift key fails | 04:51 |
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| acidjazz | :(===D) | 04:53 |
| acidjazz | ^- penis in mouth | 04:53 |
| acidjazz | :(==)=8 | 04:54 |
| acidjazz | 8===(D~): | 04:55 |
| acidjazz | lol | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: there, did your mother never tell you not to talk with your mouth full? | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | was waiting how long it takes | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | :D | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | oh come on, that one was easy :D | 04:55 |
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| acidjazz | loll | 04:56 |
| acidjazz | how did you guys do that? | 04:56 |
| acidjazz | PM chanserv? | 04:56 |
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| crashanddie | like so | 04:56 |
| acidjazz | how are you sending the command | 04:56 |
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| acidjazz | does it hide that you sent it? | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | I send it directly to the server | 04:57 |
| javispedro | someday, when doing that, the opped person will decide to use the kickall command -- fun ensues. | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | /cs command #channel args | 04:57 |
| javispedro | hilarity, that too. | 04:57 |
| acidjazz | ah i see | 04:57 |
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| acidjazz | alot diff than normal irc | 04:57 |
| acidjazz | actually javispedro a mass deop is wiser | 04:57 |
| acidjazz | you can only kick one person at a time | 04:57 |
| acidjazz | you can deop 4 at a time | 04:57 |
| javispedro | na, there's a kickall service around | 04:58 |
| acidjazz | -oooo | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: you can't deop ChanServ | 04:58 |
| javispedro | and deopping will do nothing since they will get back op via CS. | 04:58 |
| acidjazz | ah | 04:58 |
| javispedro | but kicking 506 mortals -- fun. | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: and even without being in the channel or without having @, we can still issue commands | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | we can even have ChanServ leave the channel, and still be able to quiet people through chanserv | 04:58 |
| crashanddie | or op/kick, whatever | 04:59 |
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| crashanddie | chanserv doesn't need to be in the channel to act | 04:59 |
| acidjazz | lil more power than an eggdrop | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | yeah, quite | 04:59 |
| acidjazz | yea like ppl w/ O:linse | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | ircd se7en is pretty nice tbh | 04:59 |
| crashanddie | we've come a long way since the time of undernet and X | 05:00 |
| acidjazz | this is charybdis? | 05:00 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: no, that's a myth :P | 05:00 |
| crashanddie | greek myth, even :D | 05:00 |
| crashanddie | oh, indeed, se7en is a fork of charybdis | 05:01 |
| crashanddie | or branch | 05:01 |
| acidjazz | ircd-seven-1.0.1(20100130-d3139a423e1f, Charybdis 3.2-dev) | 05:01 |
| acidjazz | ive only messed w/ hybrid | 05:02 |
| acidjazz | and this is like 10 years ago | 05:02 |
| acidjazz | i wrote an irc client back in the day | 05:02 |
| crashanddie | "freenode's next generation ircd project, ircd-seven, is a branch of the charybdis ircd, with changes specific to freenode's needs. It has been designed to replace the legacy hyperion. The network was migrated to ircd-seven at the end of January, 2010." | 05:02 |
| crashanddie | and that migration was seriously powerful, too :P | 05:03 |
| crashanddie | s/powerful/painful/ | 05:03 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: and that migration was seriously painful, too :P | 05:03 |
| acidjazz | haha that is pretty cool | 05:04 |
| acidjazz | it does the regex | 05:04 |
| acidjazz | s/regex/valley of boners/ | 05:04 |
| infobot | acidjazz meant: it does the valley of boners | 05:04 |
| acidjazz | that i do like | 05:04 |
| acidjazz | my irc client had some fun stuff it did back in the day | 05:05 |
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| acidjazz | like ppls clients would auto unban | 05:05 |
| acidjazz | if their 'friend' was banned | 05:05 |
| acidjazz | or bots would | 05:05 |
| acidjazz | but there were tricks to breaking the ban match | 05:05 |
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| acidjazz | like +b *!*@cr?s?a?d?i?.com | 05:05 |
| acidjazz | screwban if i recall correctly | 05:06 |
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| crashanddie | acidjazz: /msg cs help recover | 05:07 |
| crashanddie | err | 05:07 |
| crashanddie | /msg chanserv help recover | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:07 |
| acidjazz | yea im sure its alot more secure tehse days | 05:07 |
| acidjazz | the major way that wasnt fixed for years woudl be a server collision takeover | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | you ping flood an irc server on teh network until it jupes from teh network | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | then get on it w/ bots w/ the exact same names as all the ops | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | + a couple more to take it over | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got registered channels nowadays. You can't takeover them | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | then when they combine any duplicate names are kicked from teh server | 05:08 |
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| acidjazz | both are disconnected | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | the channels left w/ the other two | 05:08 |
| acidjazz | yea im talkign uhh 14 years ago i think | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: nickname are protected, one account can have multiple nicknames, etc | 05:09 |
| javispedro | also, wouldn't nickserv prevent that? | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 05:09 |
| javispedro | I see. | 05:09 |
| acidjazz | there was no nickserv | 05:09 |
| acidjazz | no chanserv | 05:09 |
| acidjazz | no serv of anything | 05:09 |
| acidjazz | no registrations | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | yeah, just raw text | 05:09 |
| acidjazz | thats all new fancy stuff | 05:09 |
| crashanddie | multiplayer notepad | 05:09 |
| javispedro | ah, Sts failed the test! | 05:10 |
| javispedro | 1.8 out of 5 points | 05:10 |
| acidjazz | there was a bug where you could send server commands via putting special chars in a channel key | 05:10 |
| crashanddie | ah? | 05:10 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: there's one hack that still works | 05:10 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=630760 | 05:10 |
| crashanddie | acidjazz: the router reboot | 05:10 |
| acidjazz | so you could /join #randomk, sent #random +k KEY_CHAR_/mode +o bob #channeltohack | 05:10 |
| acidjazz | then bob woudl get +o'ed in the channel by the irc server | 05:10 |
| acidjazz | irc.he.net sets mode +o bob | 05:11 |
| acidjazz | that was _hilariosu_ | 05:11 |
| acidjazz | chaos ensued before that was fixedf | 05:11 |
| javispedro | actually http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=630682 | 05:11 |
| javispedro | yet another us vs them war waiting to happen... | 05:13 |
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| crashanddie | ok, out for lunch | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | company is paying for a $100 steak | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 05:17 |
| javispedro | cya | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, let's see if maybe xchat behaves with a different wlan-energy setting | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems not | 05:25 |
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| Ikarus[N900] | sillty question, but anyone have a .deb with the fix for bug 6009 applied ? | 05:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications | 05:30 |
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| luke-jr | opinions on $45 up-front + $30/mo after that for unlimited talk (only)? | 05:32 |
| luke-jr | can I get any better in the US? | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, and I thought you're selling .deb fixed keymap files for 45 bucks ;-P | 05:33 |
| Ikarus[N900] | lol | 05:35 |
| luke-jr | ... | 05:35 |
| Ikarus[N900] | appaerently libvte itself needs patching though | 05:36 |
| Ikarus[N900] | which is a little hard without the sdk handy | 05:36 |
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| crashanddie | Guest2729: nice nick, termana | 06:43 |
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| Guest2729 | ahh shit | 06:48 |
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| Termana | autoreconnect and then nickserv renames me after 20 seconds :P | 06:49 |
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| crashanddie | OMFG | 07:19 |
| crashanddie | There's no fireworks in Australia !!!!!!!!!!! | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | ... | 07:20 |
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| GAN900 | Man, silvermountain should serious just fsck off | 07:26 |
| GAN900 | Reality fails to affect his sense of how things are. | 07:26 |
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| crashanddie | People are entitled to their own opinions, and people are even entitled to their opinion about specific facts. | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | What you're not entitled to is your own facts. | 07:30 |
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| GAN900 | He continually paints a picture of the extremity of his ignorance. | 07:33 |
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| Termana | GAN900: You talking about Stskeep's thread? :P | 07:40 |
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| RST38h | Hello, General, crash, other life forms | 07:52 |
| GAN900 | Termana, yeah. | 07:52 |
| GAN900 | Hey, RST38h. | 07:52 |
| Termana | Just posted my own opinion in the thread | 07:53 |
| Termana | hello RST38h | 07:53 |
| RST38h | hello Termana | 07:53 |
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| RST38h | what thread? should I haunt it? | 07:54 |
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| Termana | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=630935 | 07:57 |
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| Termana | I can just see the flame war about to unfold | 07:59 |
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| RST38h | Well, for once, the silver* guy is making *some* sense | 08:03 |
| RST38h | He obviously expects too much from Sts though | 08:03 |
| crashanddie | yo RST38h | 08:03 |
| RST38h | If I remember correctly, the original plan was for Sts to somehow organize a mechanism for backporting some of the Maemo5 fixes back into Diablo and releasing those updates semi-officially | 08:05 |
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| RST38h | This has never materialized, at least not from Nokia. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | eh, no :P | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | And is seemingly to big of a task to be handled singlehandedly | 08:06 |
| Termana | Stskeeps: good morning | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Well, *whaetever* Nokia-cooperation task you take, it cannot be handled without Nokia's involvement | 08:06 |
| crashanddie | Termana: where are you located mate? | 08:06 |
| RST38h | distmaster or no distmaster | 08:06 |
| RST38h | EHLO Sts | 08:06 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, smells like revisionism. :P | 08:09 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, ok, my rambling non-flame input is up. | 08:09 |
| Termana | crashanddie: South Australia | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'll read the thread through when i've had coffee :P | 08:10 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Well, I may be in error. Anyways, I guess Sts should have provided some list of his duties, to prevent people from making stuff up | 08:11 |
| crashanddie | Why? | 08:11 |
| crashanddie | He owes nothing to the mortals of the community | 08:12 |
| crashanddie | Should he tweet when he goes on a cigarette or poop break too? | 08:12 |
| crashanddie | The list of his duties is included in the job description that he agreed to when signing up for the job | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, clearly. | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Then he should not have started the thread :) | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | And that list doesn't include "Will report and reveal all his actions on a daily basis for the scrutiny of the community" | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | He tries to be open, tries to be honest with the community, and what does he get for it? Shit in the face, as usual | 08:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, we all get shit in the face | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's how Talk works. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | crash: Happens all the time, especially lately | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or what rock have you been under. :P | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | How the fuck does anyone dare post a post saying his "grade" is 1.8 out of 5 | 08:14 |
| RST38h | crash: But as long as he has started that thread, starting it with that list is a good way to avoid shit being thrown from random unexpected directions | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: i don't mind, at least it gives me something to argue with | 08:14 |
| * Stskeeps is not brought down by the thread and sees it as an opportunity to do a better job. | 08:15 | |
| crashanddie | Performance reviews are highly confidential, only done by the immediate boss, and the results only disclosed very narrowly. Not something to be done in public. wankermountain is way out of line | 08:15 |
| RST38h | crash: that's FORMAL perf reviews | 08:15 |
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| * GeneralAntilles thinks the shit in the face is probably good for character growth. :P | 08:15 | |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, his name is silvermountain. | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, are you not familiar with his posting history? | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | and what do you think 99% of readers will take away from it? | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | They will read "Stskeeps doesn't do his job" and leave the thread | 08:16 |
| * RST38h goes to check silver*'s posting history, out of morbid curiosity | 08:16 | |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I very much am | 08:16 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I'm writing a conversation search tool | 08:17 |
| RST38h | "Lol, thanks. I am now also 'The Shitt King' :)" - that is his first post found by the tmo =) | 08:18 |
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| Termana | #agreed silvermountain is The Shitt King | 08:19 |
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| Termana | oh, no meeting bot? :P | 08:19 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: nice work | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | mm, thanks | 08:39 |
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| crashanddie | Outlook search algorithm for encrypted mailboxes: "Decrypt email, search, encrypt, rinse and repeat" | 08:44 |
| crashanddie | I'm looking for a 4 letter word in a 2gig mailbox :p | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | (outlook web access, that is) | 08:45 |
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| abe3k | leave | 08:46 |
| crashanddie | abe3k: fail | 08:46 |
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| crashanddie | morning DocScrutinizer | 08:47 |
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| m2cm2c | hi | 08:49 |
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| crashanddie | m2cm2c: changed nicknames and joined again? | 08:50 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, yeah I was logged with my ubuntu account :D | 08:50 |
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| m2cm2c | guys, I was wondering if there is any way of making python open up a dialog without it blurring out whats behind that dialog | 08:52 |
| m2cm2c | under maemo | 08:52 |
| m2cm2c | 5 | 08:52 |
| crashanddie | GTK? | 08:53 |
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| m2cm2c | hilldon desktop and gtk yes | 08:53 |
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| crashanddie | Afraid not, it's how the window manager handles things IIRC | 08:53 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, is there any way of overriding the window manager through a config file or something ? | 08:54 |
| crashanddie | not that I'm aware of | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | full size window with partial alpha? | 08:54 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, you can say so, yes | 08:54 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, but not alpha , only a small window taking part of the view | 08:55 |
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| m2cm2c | crashanddie, I've found a config file to mess with the transition effects, but I didn't find one for window effects, but I think there should be one | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was more like a suggestion how to ship oround the winmngr | 08:55 |
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| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, I made a widget that pops up a dialog box in the camera app, but when the dialog is open it blurrs out the camera picture | 08:56 |
| m2cm2c | not blur, but puts a texture of slanted lines on it | 08:57 |
| crashanddie | m2cm2c: I think that's the expected behaviour | 08:57 |
| crashanddie | m2cm2c: screenshot? | 08:57 |
| crashanddie | m2cm2c: shift + control + p | 08:57 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, a screenshot of my doalog ? | 08:57 |
| crashanddie | will put the image in Images\Screenshots | 08:57 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I don't understand the slanted lines | 08:58 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, I think the window manager uses slanted lines instead of blurr when there is a video feed in the background | 08:58 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, / / / / something like this :) | 08:59 |
| crashanddie | how hard is it to take a screenshot? | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, yes. as it has to superimpose it into the the video framebuffer | 08:59 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer,exactly | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't blurr videoFB | 08:59 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, yep | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you use a fullscreen window, then no /// | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | then make that window transparent | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | then place a widget inside to hold your text on a solid bg | 09:01 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, with gtk or cairo ? | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea - no coder here ;-P | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | just an idea | 09:01 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, I'm not sure how to make a transparent window in gtk tbh | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | i'm not sure if it's possible | 09:02 |
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| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, yeah, only solution is to change the background with a ticker to show whats behind the window | 09:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which isn't exactly what you want | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freggin xchat | 09:03 |
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| m2cm2c | the only way I figured out to override the blur was a patched hildon | 09:04 |
| m2cm2c | which is pretty complicated for a simple dialog | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | why do you want to? | 09:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | the platform obviously wants the blur | 09:05 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 09:05 |
| Mace_N900 | is gftp in some other repo? | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well the cam-app itself knows how to superimpose buttons, as does mediaplayer | 09:05 |
| m2cm2c | I've made a widget to set the camera focus manually and it uses dialogs for input, when the dialogs appear they blurr out the camera app :) | 09:05 |
| m2cm2c | which makes it pretty hard to see if the focus is correct or not | 09:06 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps a dialog isn't the right metaphor on this paltform? | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^^^! | 09:07 |
| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, I think for this app it is not, true | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cma itself does it | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cam | 09:07 |
| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, cam app doesn't have plugin capability | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | m2cm2c: the window manager allows compositing flying widgets w/o blurring | 09:08 |
| timeless_mbp | watch an sms notification while the camera is active | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd somehow need to at least steal the window handle | 09:08 |
| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, sms doesn't blurr out the camera app ? | 09:09 |
| timeless_mbp | m2cm2c: inbound sms or inbound call notifications? it shouldn't | 09:09 |
| timeless_mbp | try them | 09:10 |
| timeless_mbp | note: this is the notification, not the app | 09:10 |
| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, hmmm, I'll look into that, but still that info message shows up on top of the application and covers the view | 09:10 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: your diplomacy is an inspiration to us all | 09:11 |
| timeless_mbp | it flies across and can respond to clicks | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: it's just the coffee | 09:11 |
| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, let me see if I can stick a button into a notification area :P | 09:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | gdigicam FOSS, cameraui closed blob :-( | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: thanks for the reference, mad useful | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | which one of them? | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 09:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | I don't understand why downloading over 3G is so much more energy consuming, or rathe, why *receiving* data through an antenna uses any significant amount of power at all. sending I can understand clearly, but for something like a radio stream, where upload is almost nil? | 09:27 |
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| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, notification blurrs out the background too -.- | 09:28 |
| Shapeshifter | btw this is a technical question, not a complaint ;) | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: AFAIK because you need to send acknowledgements continuously for each packet? | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | well, maybe not for each packet | 09:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah yes, didnt think of that | 09:29 |
| m2cm2c | Shapeshifter, it is all about processor power consumption, faster data means faster processing and more errors, which will lead to uploading also :) | 09:29 |
| achipa_nettop | who is the planet Maemo guy ? Niels ? | 09:29 |
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| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: also because it is effectively the same as having a phone conversation going on (well, roughly, I'd think), a lot of decoding and such going on | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | achipa_nettop: "planet maemo guy"? | 09:30 |
| achipa_nettop | crashanddie: as in ’who do I poke if planet Maemo censors my blog posts’ :D | 09:30 |
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| crashanddie | achipa_nettop: ah, yes, Niels, or mr X-Fade as we like to call him here | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | we also like to like to highlight X-Fade for no particular reason | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | m2cm2c: wrong notification | 09:33 |
| achipa_nettop | who is this X-Fade you keep talking about ? | 09:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't mean info banners | 09:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean flying windows | 09:33 |
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| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp, hmmm I though you meant "hildon.hildon_note_new_information" , what are you talking about then ? :) | 09:33 |
| Shapeshifter | though a banner might work as well? | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | no no no :) | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | m2cm2c: go use the device for a bit | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | get someone to call you | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | don't answer the call | 09:34 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: but seriously, I have posts which got imported but never appeared on news | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (do it while you're watching a movie) | 09:34 |
| timeless_mbp | or get someone to send you an sms (again, while you're watching a movie) | 09:34 |
| m2cm2c | timeless_mbp: ok, but what are these notifications called ? "programming wise" | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | e-i-do-not-care | 09:35 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: I know they are boring but probably not to the extent of completely leaving them out of news :) | 09:35 |
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| crashanddie | achipa_nettop: X-Fade = Niels | 09:37 |
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| crashanddie | achipa_nettop: if we just keep highlighting the word X-Fade, he'll have to wake up and reply eventually | 09:38 |
| achipa_nettop | crashanddie: you reckon X-Fade is sensitive to such things ? | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | well he is X-Fade after all | 09:39 |
| crashanddie | i've never met an X-Fade who could ignore all the highlighting continuously | 09:39 |
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| crashanddie | so i reckon he will come back to us, ain't that right X-Fade? | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~yawn | 09:40 |
| infobot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. | 09:40 |
| achipa_nettop | Categories: webos | 09:40 |
| achipa_nettop | wtf | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn is coffee||nap | 09:40 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 09:41 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | night | 09:41 |
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| achipa_nettop | from 10 maemo related keyword it picks webos... great | 09:41 |
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| achipa_nettop | let’s see if X-Fade has something against webos | 09:42 |
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| achipa_nettop | yep, webos trumps meego, meego trumps maemo | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | good/bad thing i'm putting myself in the firing line btw? :P | 09:49 |
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| mece | hey do qt 4.6 apps run straight up in kde? | 09:52 |
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| tekojo | mece yes if you have the 4.6 libraries | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: depends on your amount of masochistic tendencies | 09:53 |
| achipa_nettop | Stskeeps: probably both :) my guess you’ll get the regular mix of praises and rants from grumpy bones | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: big, obviously - i wrote scratchbox on my resume ;) | 09:53 |
| * Stskeeps goes answer some more posts | 09:53 | |
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| Termana | I particularly like this answer: | 09:54 |
| achipa_nettop | Stskeeps: you mean you wrote you LIKE scratchbox ? | 09:54 |
| Termana | "Yes, I'm getting to your post - don't worry. I will answer posts but not immediately, just woke up an hour ago" | 09:54 |
| Termana | :P | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | achipa_nettop: no, i know how to tame it | 09:54 |
| achipa_nettop | (crowd goes ’aaaw’) | 09:55 |
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| mece | tekojo, thanks. | 09:55 |
| achipa_nettop | Stskeeps: is it the torreador approach or the more common pamplona ’run for it’ style ? | 09:55 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa_nettop: hehe | 09:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry ibot, try again | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 09:59 |
| infobot | well, xyawn is nap | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz, took a nap | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | frals: damn, kinetic scrolling on a treeview is seriously slow :p | 10:00 |
| Shapeshifter | scrolling is choppy almost anywhere | 10:00 |
| mece | qt treeview? | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | gtk | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | why I'm not surprised? | 10:02 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 10:02 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | some people need to learn how to use forums | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | some??? | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | Posting a single image, without any other information, as a new thread, in the wrong section, as a first post. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=630999&postcount=1 | 10:04 |
| mece | tekojo, kubuntu 9.10 got libQtGui.so.4.6.2, so I guess it should run straight up.. | 10:04 |
| Nailbar | mece: maybe. Gotta check what repos are loaded | 10:05 |
| tekojo | mece you should be ok with that | 10:05 |
| tekojo | naturally the Maemo specific library isnt' there | 10:06 |
| tekojo | but it's simplest to develop on desktop and cross compile when you are fairly certain that it should work :) | 10:06 |
| mece | nice. | 10:06 |
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| achipa_nettop | crashanddie: Pecan. Nuff said. | 10:07 |
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| Nailbar | tekojo and mece, It seems that Kubuntu 9.10 uses qt 4.5 but the next one which will be released this week will be using qt 4.6.2 | 10:09 |
| mece | Nailbar, righty-o. | 10:09 |
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| mece | crashanddie, LOL looks like it's going to be an epic thread. Comment #3 lays the foundations. | 10:09 |
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| crashanddie | indeed | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie | mece: I replied :) | 10:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lmao | 10:17 |
| mece | crashanddie, you replied, I LOL'd | 10:17 |
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| m2cm2c | what is the dev channel for maemo ? | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | :) | 10:18 |
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| mece | hey what's a good qt widget to display a list of stuff that can look like a notepad with dashes or something? can the list'view be styled? | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | m2cm2c: #uberdev | 10:18 |
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| crashanddie | ? | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | mece: eh? notepad with dashes | 10:18 |
| mece | well | 10:18 |
| mece | no | 10:18 |
| mece | what is it called | 10:18 |
| m2cm2c | damn, I fell for it | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | #maemo-devel? | 10:18 |
| mece | the lines on a paper | 10:18 |
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| m2cm2c | DocScrutinizer, ty | 10:19 |
| mece | m2cm2c, what doc said. | 10:19 |
| mece | :D | 10:19 |
| crashanddie | there's a #maemo-devel channel? | 10:19 |
| zokier | yes | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 10:19 |
| mece | crashanddie, yes. It's full, but all you see are those rolling bushes from sergio leone movies. | 10:19 |
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| crashanddie | ah | 10:20 |
| mece | anyway | 10:20 |
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| mece | crashanddie, I meant the blue lines on here: http://www.swayze.to/images/notepad-trans.png | 10:20 |
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| m2cm2c | mece, theres an app that looks like that, Im' not sure if it is a widget or even qt :> | 10:22 |
| crashanddie | mece: textview.set_buffer('_' * width * height) | 10:22 |
| crashanddie | :d | 10:22 |
| m2cm2c | anyways I have keyboard shorcut enabled for my live focus app, but still a gui would be nicer without that blurring effect | 10:23 |
| m2cm2c | I give up :> | 10:23 |
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| m2cm2c | I'm too lazy to put in in extras tbh -.- | 10:24 |
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| crashanddie | m2cm2c: in short (because I'm about to leave for the pub): it's going to be very, very tough. The blurring effect conflicts with whatever overlay is used to display the webcam | 10:24 |
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| crashanddie | m2cm2c: if you need to see the cam output, just make a fullscreen window and show the camera output in small, so that your options/effects menu can be shown at the same time as the output | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | if you don't care about seeing the video output, just hide it completely -- will always be better than some ugly artefact | 10:25 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, the user has to see how well the focus is going | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | m2cm2c: then show your own cropped/zoomed in image | 10:26 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, but about that camera output, I think I could use gstreamer for that | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | a good technique is to show the camera output in small + tap to zoom in on the area | 10:26 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, but still it would conflict with the camera app | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | no it wouldn't | 10:26 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, oh ? | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | don't think it would | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | there's ways around it, lead the way | 10:27 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, I should give that a try | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | it's the proper way to do it anyway | 10:27 |
| m2cm2c | crashanddie, but I don't want to make a new camera app if you nkow what I mean | 10:27 |
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| crashanddie | fair enough | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | anyway, beer o'clock | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | later | 10:28 |
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| furunk3l | yes hello | 10:41 |
| m2cm2c | sup | 10:42 |
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| m2cm2c | damn gstreamer conflicts with camera app -.- | 10:48 |
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| Nailbar | mece, something like "sticky notes"? | 10:49 |
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| yigal | I want a portable device that will let me create and adheres to the freedom that lays in my heart | 10:56 |
| Corsac | should it be usable too? | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 10:59 |
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| pupnik | finland has a lot of nice rocks | 11:02 |
| nid0 | just what every country needs | 11:03 |
| Khertan | pupnik: are you talking about music ? | 11:03 |
| pupnik | no big boulders visible in the ground | 11:03 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:04 |
| Khertan | but they have also nice metal group :) | 11:04 |
| pupnik | often with trees growing on them | 11:04 |
| pupnik | also bathrooms that are one bug shower | 11:06 |
| pupnik | big | 11:06 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:09 | |
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| hrw | what you people use to play 640x352 XVID movies? | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | my pay as you go sim just got a spam call | 11:09 |
| timeless_mbp | if i want to opt out of spam calls, i have to pay for 2 minutes | 11:09 |
| hrw | "mplayer -ao pulse -vo xv(something)" blocks from time to time (movie played from MyDocs) | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Shouldn't that just work on the default player? | 11:09 |
| nid0 | depends on the container used | 11:10 |
| nid0 | but in general, it does | 11:10 |
| hrw | avi | 11:10 |
| nid0 | then it does | 11:10 |
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| hrw | X-Fade: recently it stopped playing anything | 11:11 |
| hrw | mp3, ogg, divx avi etc | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | hrw: Huh? | 11:11 |
| nid0 | do they all come back with unsupported format errors? | 11:11 |
| hrw | nid0: yep | 11:12 |
| nid0 | if so, you just need a reboot, cos you tried to play something it doesnt like | 11:12 |
| andre__ | 6823? | 11:12 |
| hrw | bug 6823 | 11:12 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6823 media player won't play any video files now (.avi) divx / xvid | 11:12 |
| nid0 | sometimes playing 1 file the dsp doesnt like = it locks up and wont play anything till reboot | 11:12 |
| hrw | andre__: looks like another 'get lost user' type of error ;( | 11:13 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
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| X-Fade | Morning Jaffa | 11:15 |
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| achipa_nettop | morning | 11:16 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: sooo, if you had hiccups this morning you probably know why :) | 11:16 |
| X-Fade | Not enough coffee? | 11:17 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: but the real question is why are some planet maemo articles missing from the news/planet page | 11:17 |
| achipa_nettop | even though they are present on the author’s page for that feed (on planet) | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | achipa_nettop: I don't see a problem? | 11:18 |
| X-Fade | Examples? | 11:18 |
| achipa_nettop | http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:20e14981bcc7b85f9f32745be320eae2/ | 11:19 |
| achipa_nettop | last post, from yesterday | 11:19 |
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| achipa_nettop | not present (=missing) in planet and news | 11:19 |
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| achipa_nettop | might be others, too, but obviously I noticed for my post first :) | 11:19 |
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| X-Fade | achipa_nettop: I see it on the planet? Only on page2 | 11:20 |
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| hrw | ~curse nokia | 11:21 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia ! | 11:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey, administrating wXP ain't bad | 11:22 |
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| hrw | timeless_mbp: want to do that with my wife's laptop? | 11:22 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: xpsp2 which hangs on installing xpsp3 or mswie8 | 11:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: sure, bring it over :) | 11:24 |
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| mece | aaw crud. I have to manually wrap text in QListWidget? yawn. | 11:25 |
| mece | ~xyawn | 11:25 |
| infobot | xyawn is, like, nap | 11:25 |
| mece | haha | 11:25 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: hm... the date is off.. | 11:26 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: but this seems to be some blogspot draft-silly-date | 11:26 |
| achipa_nettop | X-Fade: sorry for the noise | 11:26 |
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| X-Fade | achipa_nettop: When you start to write it, that is the date blogger sets in he feed. | 11:27 |
| X-Fade | *the feed | 11:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | mornin alls | 11:41 |
| noobmonk3y | hoping someone clever can help.... i'm aware that the Touchscreen is input3... and can see it on the device, any idea if there is a way to read out how much pressure is being put on the screen? (Saw the driver code, and can see pressure mentioned in it alot) - but not helping me in figuring out how to read it | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you've parsed the output of event3, and not found it? | 11:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah SpeedEvil | 11:49 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm thinking maybe hal or dbus may be able to do it? | 11:49 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, shoulda gone to the lists instead of Talk. :rolleyes: | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: nah, the problems are mainly at talk, so better to take the issues up front | 11:54 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, but, hey, at least he proved Nathan wrong! :P | 11:54 |
| * GAN900 suspects a "This is what's up with Mer and why you're not getting a backport and why MeeGo is the way forward" approach would've been more productive than "Everybody take a pot shot" | 11:55 | |
| Stskeeps | meh, tried | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 11:56 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: just to bug you a little more, how is the 'category' determined from the labels ? My post had a java label originally, which I subsequently removed as that was not really the focus, then I got to be webos, and now it's meego. Does it take the first one ? Last one ? Or ? | 11:59 |
| * GAN900 is amazed at the level those pot shots are stooping to. | 11:59 | |
| GAN900 | Not that I should be, but still. | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: if anything, i have somewhere to refer to as in 'we had this argument already' | 11:59 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: also, it doesn't seem to update the date... which I guess I understand... but now have the urge to bump my post :) | 12:02 |
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| Netrum | Hi all. | 12:10 |
| Netrum | i had a rather wierd thing happen to my n900 last night.. | 12:10 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo | 12:10 |
| noobmonk3y | it made the tea? | 12:11 |
| Netrum | i wish :P | 12:11 |
| Netrum | i had it connected to my computer. using it as a modem. | 12:11 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:11 |
| noobmonk3y | bluetooth? | 12:11 |
| noobmonk3y | or just wireless? | 12:11 |
| Netrum | downloading stuff over torrent. when it suddenly made a wierd sound and shutdown. | 12:11 |
| Netrum | cable | 12:11 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh okies | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | hot? | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | overclocked? | 12:12 |
| Netrum | no not at all | 12:12 |
| Netrum | nope | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | have to ask :P | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the wierd noise - did it sound like an explosion in a bell factory/ | 12:12 |
| Netrum | bell factory actually | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ok so a standard device, and was doing the usuals then just bleeped and died? | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | If so, that's the empty battery shutdown | 12:12 |
| noobmonk3y | do you know what the boot reason was? | 12:12 |
| * noobmonk3y smiles | 12:12 | |
| Netrum | yea basicly | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | connected to computer will not provide enough power for downloading torrents | 12:13 |
| noobmonk3y | boot_reason (Ie msg device sends out) | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | the battery will slowly discharge | 12:13 |
| Netrum | thats the conclussion i came too aswell. just needed to confirm it :) ty | 12:13 |
| noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: good point :D | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | and shutdown | 12:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | The noise is confusing. | 12:13 |
| noobmonk3y | battery monitor or similar installed? | 12:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It should play 'Daisy Daisy'. | 12:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lol SpeedEvil | 12:13 |
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| Netrum | :P no i havent installed any battery monitor apps | 12:14 |
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| KnightStalker | Hello | 12:14 |
| KnightStalker | :D | 12:14 |
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| KnightStalker | any one knows why I get "Not enough memory in target location" | 12:15 |
| plastun | KnightStalker, try: # apt-get clean | 12:15 |
| noobmonk3y | KnightStalker: - rootfs full | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | ¬rootfs | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | ~rootfs | 12:16 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, rootfs is mount ro, but all the nessary files that need to be writen to are created in a ramdisk that is rw | 12:16 |
| KnightStalker | :P | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lol i love infobot | 12:16 |
| noobmonk3y | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 12:17 |
| KnightStalker | grr | 12:17 |
| Netrum | ~battery | 12:17 |
| infobot | [battery] made by Danionics http://www.danionics.com/products/icphh02.asp, or at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/questions.html#AEN744 | 12:17 |
| KnightStalker | could not lock file | 12:17 |
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| KnightStalker | plastun,your command failed =( =( | 12:17 |
| noobmonk3y | KnightStalker: got app manager open? | 12:17 |
| KnightStalker | Yes | 12:17 |
| noobmonk3y | close it ;) | 12:17 |
| noobmonk3y | app manager uses the same command | 12:17 |
| KnightStalker | oh,that sowwy :P | 12:17 |
| plastun | KnightStalker, why? | 12:17 |
| noobmonk3y | both cant run together | 12:17 |
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| plastun | noobmonk3y, true | 12:18 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: so, you should get an updated localization set soon | 12:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: if you could lemme know if things get better, that'd be great | 12:19 |
| * KnightStalker closed the app manager the command still failed,restarting device :p | 12:19 | |
| plastun | KnightStalker, your device is little mistyc :) | 12:20 |
| KnightStalker | mistyc? | 12:20 |
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| plastun | mystic :) | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | morning RevdKathy | 12:22 |
| KnightStalker | woops | 12:22 |
| KnightStalker | I have had forgotten the sudo part :P | 12:22 |
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| chem|st | moaning | 12:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=631102&postcount=26 haha | 12:25 |
| KnightStalker | Problem Fixed | 12:25 |
| KnightStalker | thanks plastun =) | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: harsh crowd today | 12:25 |
| nid0 | thats very harsh | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Harsh, but fair. Assuming that Stskeeps can SEE THE FUTURE! | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | He can, can't he? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | future can be changed by our actions | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | or by observing my work, you altered the future! | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The notion that meego peeps diddn't at least glance at mer, seems unlikely | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the goals in many ways are obvious. | 12:27 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes there was some nice way to get a list of running processes from one file. | 12:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | Oh well. | 12:31 |
| bilboed-pi | lsof ? | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Currently trying to do a battery analyser to plot 'stuff' happening every 5s. | 12:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | From '10 bytes network transfer over 3g' to 'xchat scheduled for 1/100th of a second last 5s'. | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Fun. | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean in a single fopen. | 12:32 |
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| wazd | ok | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I'll have to look into something else than awk to write it in. (as awk has no readdir | 12:33 |
| wazd | another stolen concept from me | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | n8? | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 12:33 |
| wazd | fuck that | 12:33 |
| KnightStalker | :o | 12:33 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqRZt01jOr4 | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: well - if you're referring to me, my rate of progress is quite slow. | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:34 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 12:34 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: which one of them? | 12:34 |
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| TomaszD | good day | 12:34 |
| wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/omweather-0-3-preview-and-support/ | 12:34 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: horizontal day scroll | 12:34 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: they didn't have it before, and actually no app did | 12:35 |
| Surfa | omweater would be nice the forecast would be even near to what really is happening :) | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd: calendar? | 12:35 |
| Surfa | foreca weather is much more accurate for finland at least | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: ah, the famous simpsons did it.. | 12:35 |
| * SpeedEvil hugs yr.no | 12:35 | |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you should start patenting your concepts | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yr.no is awesome | 12:35 |
| wazd | Surfa: write a letter to weather.com | 12:35 |
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| Surfa | well, or just use foreca weather | 12:36 |
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| TomaszD | wazd, while you're concepting, please please concept actually usable bluemaemo, I don't know who designed it, but it's awful :( | 12:36 |
| TomaszD | omweather 0.3 is looking good wazd | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://api.met.no/weatherapi/probabilityforecast/1.1/documentation | 12:36 |
| wazd | TomaszD: I've designed it | 12:36 |
| Jaffa | wazd: You published an article saying "this'd be really good"; OMWeather didn't implement it (AFAIK) and then complain that someone else did? Presumably the problem is that the video doesn't have, in big flashing letters throughout, "horizontal day scroll inspired by wazd"? | 12:36 |
| wazd | TomaszD: at least n900 version | 12:37 |
| Roland | Hello all, I just wanted to ask if anyone had any news about the MeeGo project's relation to Maemo 6 | 12:37 |
| TomaszD | wazd, oh :( geez dude, it wasn't your day, really | 12:37 |
| * Stskeeps votes for early weekend | 12:37 | |
| Surfa | Roland, there is won't be such thing as maemo 6 | 12:37 |
| TomaszD | wazd, I wish I could force you to use the bluemaemo keyboard to see how unusable it is :) | 12:37 |
| wazd | Jaffa: I published an article what we're working on | 12:37 |
| frals | hmm, wheres vdvsx when you need him | 12:37 |
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| Roland | Surfa I hope that means current maemo devices will all run MeeGo? After necessary kernel upgrades of course | 12:38 |
| Surfa | why would they? | 12:38 |
| X-Fade | frals: I think you were quite close to him last week? | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | wazd: Perhaps it's a perfect example of how the Qt SDK enables faster developer turnaround ;-) | 12:38 |
| Surfa | have you ever seen symbian 3.1 phone running symbian 3.2? :) | 12:38 |
| wazd | Jaffa: yep, awesome | 12:38 |
| frals | X-Fade: yeah, i met him.. but i need him now :D | 12:38 |
| wazd | TomaszD: you can't | 12:38 |
| Roland | No of course not with Symbian | 12:38 |
| frals | or, "need" :) | 12:39 |
| TomaszD | wazd, you don't have an n900 right? | 12:39 |
| wazd | TomaszD: bingo | 12:39 |
| X-Fade | frals: Hehe, ok. | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | Roland: n900 has a hardware adaptation team for it and n8x0 is in works by community, well, once the flames die down | 12:39 |
| TomaszD | wazd, would you like a usability study of the application, would you use it for improvements? | 12:39 |
| Roland | But I hoped that the N900 being a Linux based device meant we can chose our own OS's | 12:39 |
| wazd | TomaszD: no, thanks | 12:39 |
| Surfa | Roland, other way around, do you see n8xx devices running maemo5? | 12:40 |
| TomaszD | wazd, but it's really bad, it's nothing personal | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | Roland: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 12:40 |
| wazd | TomaszD: let it be a good example of "what happens when designer doesn't have a device to test" | 12:40 |
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| Roland | No but are they Linux based? | 12:40 |
| TomaszD | wazd, oh yes, but let's not punish everyone for it | 12:40 |
| Surfa | yes? | 12:40 |
| wazd | TomaszD: have I punished anyone yet? | 12:40 |
| TomaszD | wazd, the design punishes users :) | 12:41 |
| TomaszD | not you personally | 12:41 |
| X-Fade | TomaszD: Or lack of.. | 12:41 |
| Roland | This is kind of disappointing... | 12:41 |
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| TomaszD | X-Fade, yeah, unfortunately true :( | 12:41 |
| Roland | They call the N900 a computer like device and you're stuck with the samne OS as long as you own it? | 12:41 |
| wazd | TomaszD: VDVsx is the lead developer, you can post feedback to him | 12:41 |
| TomaszD | wazd, thanks | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | Roland: go read my post i just pointed you to | 12:42 |
| hrw | Roland: you can try to install other OS but then it will lose phone functionality | 12:42 |
| Surfa | Roland, that's not the point.. read the article Stskeeps pasted for you | 12:42 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw, this is actually getting helped, it seems like | 12:42 |
| Roland | Will do | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: speech path lib was released | 12:42 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: The Following 424 Users Say Thank You to Stskeeps For This Useful Post: | 12:43 |
| Surfa | but officially n900 is and probably will stay as maemo5 device, unofficially it may be whatever you want | 12:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and who you are after that? :D | 12:43 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: and still no dialer/sms etc | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: a karma whore | 12:43 |
| Roland | I've already read this post. I found it through Google last night... | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: it's getting better | 12:43 |
| Surfa | it doesn't make sense to support officially too many hw platforms | 12:43 |
| Surfa | you may find the reasoning, if you just like to | 12:43 |
| Roland | Makes sense for Google | 12:44 |
| Surfa | n900 is missing plenty of hw capabilities that new device will probably have | 12:44 |
| Surfa | so n900 version would be somewhat deprecated anyway | 12:44 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: maybe one day FSO guys will decide to adapt n900 so some apps will exists. | 12:44 |
| Roland | Every Android device gets an OS update once the new version of Android is released.... That's what I call mobile computing. | 12:44 |
| Po0ky | w 28 | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | Roland: http://meegoportal.com/?p=127 | 12:44 |
| frals | are we discussing "omg wtf meego on n900?!?!?!"? | 12:44 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: so far oFono is only listed as something which exists but no one yet used rather | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | Roland: actually. they don't | 12:44 |
| nid0 | Roland: wat? | 12:45 |
| TomaszD | http://i.imgur.com/AuATX.jpg | 12:45 |
| * Stskeeps often hears of devices that haven't gotten the latest updates yet | 12:45 | |
| TomaszD | argh | 12:45 |
| TomaszD | not here | 12:45 |
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| nid0 | lots of android devices are stuck on the version they come with forever | 12:45 |
| Roland | seriously? | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | seriously | 12:45 |
| florian | good morning | 12:45 |
| Surfa | Roland, as you may have noticed, your'e pretty wrong with that :) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | even iphone are leaving behind older devices now too | 12:45 |
| Roland | then as a developer i'd say the term "mobile computing" is far from being ready to be used | 12:45 |
| hrw | hi florian | 12:46 |
| Surfa | Roland, there are good reasons for that | 12:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Roland: at least the situation seems more interesting with n900. | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:46 |
| Surfa | every vendor and hw manufacturer are making this and that with whatever they feel comfortable with | 12:46 |
| Surfa | that's not quite the case with pc:s for example | 12:46 |
| chem|st | Roland: when I got first notice of a friend buying a motorola droid I told him that motorola is known for non-existance of SW updates and they have to update their android on their own | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Roland: It takes many, many man-hours to port shit. | 12:46 |
| Roland | I'm sure there are. I never programmed with mobile API's so I'm sure mobile OS developers have their reasons | 12:47 |
| Surfa | there aren't that standardized things to work with in mobile devices | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Roland: This is a significant cost - especially when your software vendors often want paid for included apps, or want teh apps which they have developed to keep working | 12:47 |
| chem|st | thats why java was so famous a while ago | 12:47 |
| Surfa | java would still be nice | 12:47 |
| Surfa | even on the maemo and meego | 12:48 |
| Surfa | there's plenty of good stuff implemented with java.. | 12:48 |
| Roland | Java's my language and I love its plantform independency | 12:48 |
| sECuRE | not having to use java was one of the reasons why i bought an n900 ;) | 12:48 |
| chem|st | Surfa: give an example pls | 12:48 |
| Surfa | chem|st, geocaching live, and don't ask for more.. you can do that study by yourself too | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | What does it do that gpxview doesn't for example? | 12:49 |
| chem|st | Surfa: mmh still nothing missing | 12:50 |
| Surfa | chem|st, so there must be nothing that anyone could be missing? | 12:50 |
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| chem|st | Surfa: my previous phone was full of java programs and I do not miss a single one of them | 12:51 |
| Surfa | SpeedEvil, a lots of things, gpxview is kind of pile of shit compared to gc-live :) | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | fair enough. Have you commented on teh issues to the developer? | 12:51 |
| chem|st | well treckbuddy was nice | 12:52 |
| Surfa | not really as I have spare e71 to use and i get more than enough sw development at work :) | 12:52 |
| Surfa | and there are plenty of things that won't probably ever be implemented, even that developer wanted to | 12:52 |
| Surfa | because of geocaching.com | 12:52 |
| wazd | oh, Quim allowed Vlad to keep n900 | 12:53 |
| wazd | cool | 12:53 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: seriously, 424 thanks for one post! | 12:56 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: your're not a whole, you're a karma addict now :D | 12:57 |
| wazd | whore* | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: and at the same time there's people who think i should be fired, the mind boggles.. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: As you should be ;) | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Tsss, doing things for the community.. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Who does stuff like that. | 13:00 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: everyone who thinks this way will face me before :D | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so um | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | communists! | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | did you see that your build didn't work on my disadvantaged computer? | 13:00 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: and nobody wants to face 2m high pissed off designer :D | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: no | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: What I have learnt about doing a job in a community is that you never can satisfy everybody. | 13:01 |
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| X-Fade | And there are more people that don't complain than ones that do, so you're doing a good thing :) | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/719104 | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: well, the system is built against a modern kernel, so there's not much i can do in that regard - entire meego is built that way :/ | 13:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: the fact that the kernel actually affects userspace outside libc is totally broken | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ask ulrich depper | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: http://darkswarm.org/whosyerdaddy-0.5.sh :o | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you run that on the chroot, i can't say there won't be bad consequences | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: why do i get the feeling i already deleted your .tgz | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, i didn't :) | 13:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | wah | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | [timeless@domU-12-31-39-0A-8C-36 lib]$ ../../whosyerdaddy-0.5.sh | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | whosyerdaddy 0.5, a workaround for broken Folding@Home client 6.29 binaries | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Copyright (c) 2010 by Kris Rusocki <kszysiu@gmail.com> | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | Licensed under GPLv2 | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ERROR: libc.so.6 not an ELF64 binary! | 13:16 |
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| mece | are there no qt4 libraries in the repos currently? | 13:25 |
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| TomaszD | mece, there should be qt-maemo5-* in extras-devel right? | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | there was a repo post on this | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | (from council, i think) | 13:27 |
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| mece | the simulator is not working properly, I need to test this on device... | 13:28 |
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| mece | it's throwing 404's on the libqt packages... | 13:29 |
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| Surfa | i don't know if interested people are still here or not, but this is something that popped up lately: http://www.nokian900applications.com/dual-boot-with-meego-and-maemo-5-in-nokia-n900 | 13:31 |
| mece | that's nice. | 13:31 |
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| Surfa | couple of days old, but not everyone has necessarily spotted that | 13:32 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, if I'm reading the council post correctly, it's telling me that I'm screwed. | 13:32 |
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| Jaffa | Surfa: Well, it's a couple of days since that site reported it. But it's over a week old in practice, IIRC | 13:34 |
| Jaffa | Surfa: Such value being added by "nokian900applications.com" in just repasting the mailing list post in its entirety. | 13:35 |
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| mece | hee | 13:35 |
| Surfa | Jaffa, i know, but it's somehow related to earlier discussion | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | It was also included in last week's MWKN digest: http://www.mwkn.net/2010/17/devices.html#devices-1 :-) | 13:36 |
| Surfa | i don't really care if they are fast or slow or copy or write, but the content is pretty much ok | 13:36 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, uh.. got it working. nice. | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | gents, I'm stuck. I'm trying to create a gtk.ListStore in python -- I need a dynamic number of columns, but you can only use one function call to create all the columns | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | and obviously, you have to enumerate all the columns (can't pass a tuple or something) | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | found it :) gtk.ListStore(*mytuple) | 13:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | Jaffa: where do you get the top downloads information from for mwkn - i never seem to see healthcheck as 'popular' in the downloads - http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ | 14:07 |
| tybollt | so | 14:07 |
| tybollt | the image that is available for n900 at meego.com, is that usable? | 14:07 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt: the terminal version? | 14:08 |
| tybollt | (yes, I've been away traveling for a few weeks :) | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | :D - its basically a terminal :P | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: To get the differences it compares downloads from one week to the next | 14:08 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: I've _no idea_ what-so-ever it is... | 14:08 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: So that's it's more dynamic than the very very static list of "hot" | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh cool :D - been very confused with downloads as 2 days ago it showed as 54k downloads yesterday was 51k, and 54k again today! lol | 14:08 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: That is actually not true ;) | 14:08 |
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| tybollt | noobmonk3y: ? terminal, like what, it's a linux kernel that boots into a busybox and the prompt says "meego" or what? :) | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Hot is not static anymore, the top downloads list is though. | 14:09 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt: not farr off - imagine no gui :D | 14:09 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: not very sexy, is it? | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Well, I mean the algorithm favours long running popularity which is less useful when you snapshot it each week | 14:09 |
| tybollt | although | 14:09 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt: they are working on the sexyness, i think it is due may with 1.1 due oct time? | 14:09 |
| tybollt | I know my at commands... ;) | 14:09 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: No it does not for app karma. | 14:10 |
| * noobmonk3y would love to see more detailed statistics :D | 14:10 | |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: fair enough. | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm. Have there been recent tweaks? | 14:10 |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 14:10 | |
| * noobmonk3y eats frals | 14:10 | |
| * noobmonk3y feels like he has just eaten a dirty kebab..... | 14:10 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: See the app karma formula. delta downloads since last week, delta comments and ratings. | 14:10 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Yeah, but then multiplied with 0.9 of the previous value | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Purposefully to give stability | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | tybollt: mentioned in mwkn i think - dual booting meego on the n900 is a target | 14:11 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: The actual every day stats give a lot of movement. | 14:11 |
| noobmonk3y | are there more detailed stats available to us? or just for mwkn? | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: I had to reverse engineer the ODS API | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: They are stored in the graph page. | 14:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhh | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: http://maemo.org/ocs/v1/content/data/?parent=Maemo5&sortmode=down&pages | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | ize=100 | 14:12 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: dualboot my cellphone? FACEPALM | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: Wonderfully documented *cough* | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | Graph is a javascript drawing it live. | 14:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | and X-Fade not hugely accurate, since h/c got one 4k downloads in a day, the rest look a bit flat, hard to see differences etc :D - thanks jaffa! | 14:12 |
| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=627104 | 14:12 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: It actually is. | 14:12 |
| * wazd facepalms | 14:12 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/open-collaboration-service | 14:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: The ODS API is, but there's no documentation that I could find on what the Maemo URLs for it are. | 14:13 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Typical SOA delivery - without knowing the endpoint the documentation for the API itself isn't very helpful | 14:13 |
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| X-Fade | I actually think there is documentation in the api, let me check. | 14:14 |
| hrw | is promotion broken for fremantle? | 14:14 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 14:14 |
| X-Fade | hrw: no? | 14:14 |
| hrw | I promoted mdbus2 2.0.0-4 and it is not in testing | 14:14 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: has fmms taken over the world yet? :D | 14:15 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: bah | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 14:15 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: im blocked by stuff i cant fix without huge time investment by the looks of it :P | 14:15 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww :( | 14:15 |
| hrw | ops, sorry - did to testing... found it | 14:15 |
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| noobmonk3y | anything the rest of us can help with?> | 14:15 |
| frals | ie reimplementing how fremantle handles operator provisioning | 14:15 |
| hrw | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mdbus2/2.0.0-4/ | 14:15 |
| * noobmonk3y meh's | 14:15 | |
| frals | yeah someone can write a new provisioning service that works with the rest of the system ;D | 14:16 |
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| frals | and doesnt throw away mms settings ;) | 14:16 |
| noobmonk3y | frals - if i even understood half of that i would help :D | 14:16 |
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| * PhonicUK downloads new Qt Creator Beta, woo! :D | 14:17 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | mdbus | 14:17 |
| frals | time to catch up on tvseries and finish my book | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals | 14:17 |
| frals | wonder if i should have pizza with that | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | i think you should | 14:17 |
| frals | so do i! | 14:17 |
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| Rabidus | -7win 32 | 14:25 |
| Rabidus | wow.. nice | 14:25 |
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| mece | WA_Maemo5LandscapeOrientation in pyside? | 14:32 |
| mece | I meant is there WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation in pyside? | 14:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | hrw: is mdbus2 just cli? or is there a planned gui? | 14:36 |
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| hrw | noobmonk3y: cli only | 14:36 |
| noobmonk3y | poo :( | 14:36 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: I do not see a sense of ui for such tool | 14:37 |
| noobmonk3y | i erally need a walk through on dbus - as i have used a few examples, but something that lets me know whats available and what i can get out of it would be great! | 14:37 |
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| hrw | noobmonk3y: "mdbus2 -i" + tab key helps | 14:37 |
| noobmonk3y | its just a load of text with no real meaning to me at the moment | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: <quote zappa> You still don't feel as good as you felt this morning?</quote> | 14:37 |
| noobmonk3y | tab key ... n900? :| | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i has candy | 14:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo yeah | 14:38 |
| noobmonk3y | on x-term | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | so i feel better ;) | 14:38 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: xterm has tab button... ssh session has it too | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | smoke THAT and you really get off | 14:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | ok... got that but it still just lists a load of lines... | 14:38 |
| noobmonk3y | i know that you can get info from com.nokia.CALLUI but just having it there doesnt mean much to me, | 14:39 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: which are dbus objects you can call on | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | i wonder if there is an N900 dbus guide somewhere | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | remoo btw | 14:39 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: wiki got a shitton of interfaces listed :p | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | hrw - i suppose as i'm new to it, i understand how to call, but to figure out what i can call i need to try each and every one | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: none in simple english | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | its a bit like the python guide, it shows you an example of one thing | 14:40 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: by monitoring dbus when starting apps you can see what they call | 14:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals - yup got that | 14:40 |
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| hrw | noobmonk3y: MDBUS2> org.freedesktop.Avahi / | 14:40 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: MDBUS2> org.freedesktop.Avahi / org.freedesktop.Avahi.Server.GetState | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm guessing jebba's page probably has about 10% of what dbus can actually do/see? | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:40 |
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| frals | even less id say | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | at best | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | thats what i'm thinking, a gui that lets me walk through them and see outputs etc..... | 14:41 |
| mece | soo.. any python bindings to the qt portait mode stuff? | 14:41 |
| frals | not all interfaces supports introspection either | 14:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | then i know what to target in my code, or even better what i can code lol | 14:41 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: pft, gui! dbus-monitor --system :P | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | get mdbus2 | 14:41 |
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| hrw | frals: mdbus2 -sl :P | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mickeyl ftw | 14:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lol tried both, means nothing to me | 14:42 |
| noobmonk3y | hard to learn from scratch with this stuff :| | 14:42 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: no one told that dbus is sane and easy | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | most hard thing is to conclude semantics of a call and parameters from the mere name | 14:42 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: read the dbus tutorial first and it should all make sense | 14:42 |
| noobmonk3y | hrw - i suppose i may have the wrong view of it... but for example... i see dbus as a list of methods/calls... similar to a programming method, on the wiki pages i would see a list of the methods, + all the calls available........ | 14:43 |
| hrw | too bad that lot of nokia objects lacks introspection | 14:43 |
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| mece | WOW! | 14:43 |
| mece | found it :) | 14:43 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: i understand what dbus is and how to use it, but not what i can get out of it..... it seems to be trial and error - and more error | 14:43 |
| mece | that's sweet | 14:43 |
| mece | works in scratchbox nicely :D | 14:43 |
| hrw | mece: in november you will be able to check on device too | 14:44 |
| noobmonk3y | so more a library of commands that is easily scrollable is a start - and unfortunatley cli apps just dont do it for me ;) | 14:44 |
| mece | hrw, I'm sure I could do it now. This is the old scratchbox | 14:44 |
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| hrw | mece: if you do listening on dbus to get orientation you can | 14:44 |
| hrw | mece: qt 4.6.2/pr1.2 has is automated | 14:45 |
| hrw | but no way to check does it work ofcourse | 14:45 |
| mece | hrw, but how about the old 4.6? | 14:45 |
| mece | heck I'll test it now. | 14:45 |
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| hrw | mece: 4.6/extras-devel == 4.6/pr1.2 | 14:45 |
| hrw | mece: when it comes to autorotation stuff | 14:45 |
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| hrw | mece: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/be106df1f15875e4b3e47b58f3489957427f6509 is pr1.1 rotation, http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/047c161675b2bf68abbdb089a80e2b71b3c8fb95 is pr1.2 rotation | 14:47 |
| hrw | noobmonk3y: "mdbus2 -s org.freedesktop.Avahi / |less" in one terminal + coding in other? | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: more like using apps for days in other 'terminal' - to get metric megatons of dbus log to read thru usually as you got no idea what to grep for | 14:49 |
| mece | hrw, well I can manually rotate | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just to learn in the end, e.g. addressbook isn't accessable over dbus | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | start and end of ringtone isn't dbus... :-/ | 14:52 |
| sECuRE | is there a libraray for ringtones? | 14:52 |
| sECuRE | or does one play them using gstreamer? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not, at least never seen such thing yet | 14:53 |
| sECuRE | ok | 14:53 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: basically there are lot of things which are not dbus | 14:53 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and at least as much are horribly 'documented' | 14:54 |
| sECuRE | yep.. but at least there is some documentation | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly? | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | where? | 14:54 |
| sECuRE | for what exactly? | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pick example as you like | 14:55 |
| hrw | sECuRE: I more trust wiki pages written by community developers then to official nokia maemo docs | 14:55 |
| sECuRE | doc: libosso-abook has a reference doc | 14:55 |
| sECuRE | libalarm aswell | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know - but that's not dbus, no? | 14:56 |
| sECuRE | libalarm internally uses dbus | 14:56 |
| sECuRE | but agreed, dbus docu could be more | 14:56 |
| sECuRE | i had trouble to get it working, too | 14:56 |
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| * DocScrutinizer still waiting for O'Reilly Maemo5 Unleashed | 15:00 | |
| sECuRE | hehe | 15:01 |
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| * noobmonk3y agree's with DocScrutinizer | 15:02 | |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 15:03 | |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 15:03 | |
| frals | lol | 15:03 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: that trout mnust be getting worn out by now | 15:03 |
| frals | im out of coke so need to go to the store :< | 15:03 |
| frals | but i cba leaving my chair | 15:03 |
| frals | any ideas? | 15:03 |
| frals | and yes, time for a new trout soon! | 15:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals: takeaway delivery | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | frals: If you were next door, I'd take over my bottle of coke | 15:04 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: someone plans to write such one? | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | (though it is completely flat, having been in a hot attic since 2007) | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | hrw - well volounteered! | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | "from A like 'Upstart' to Z like 'sane partitioning alternatives and optification'. Now with addendum 'how to handle NOLO" | 15:05 |
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| Stskeeps | you're expecting anyone dares to read the nolo code | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: dunno | 15:06 |
| hrw | it would have so much sense as writing 'AmigaOS 0.7 unleashed' book | 15:06 |
| hrw | as it would describe not used OS when would get print | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: bah, we mastered uBoot and Qi :-P | 15:07 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: what about redboot? | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not *my* cup of tea | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually never heard of | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, c'mon it's a silly BOOTLOADER ;-D | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus a friggin flasher-tool | 15:09 |
| hrw | for device without accessible serial port bootloader does not matter so much | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, another nice topic for the addendum | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "what's those testpads? A simple way to interface and get even more out of your N900" | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andrew | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | how to build your own debug jig | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i wonder if anyone ever asked publically if they could have instructions how to interface with the serial port | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody dared ;-P | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | that might be true | 15:14 |
| Termana | The Nexus One provides a serial port through the Micro USB port - I wonder why Nokia didn't consider this same sort of thing for the n900? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: It depends on what is connectable easily to the USB port | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: this sort of stuff isn't free unfortunately. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: technically we can have g_serial | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | except not from very early in the process | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: adding another function to the USB port can cost a substantial fraction of a dollar | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | not if it's not in NOLO | 15:15 |
| andrewfblack | morning Stskeeps | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: meaning that you add another dollar or so to the retail | 15:15 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, Right, but thats not helpful if your doing bootloader/early kernel debugging | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for the things you really NEED a console, any g_serial mounted thru init process is too late and thus useless | 15:16 |
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| Termana | The N1 actually provides a REAL serial port through the Micro USB and the LK Bootloader (the bootloader used on the N1) sends out log messages over it, so this allows you to debug all the way through from start to finish | 15:18 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, Sure it might have been an extra dollar or two on top of the retail price, but I think the possibility it would give for low level developers would be worth it | 15:18 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51204 | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: There are probably around 20 'would be nice' things to have for developers. | 15:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Termana: this would have added maybe $40 to the price. | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | 'N900 hacker edition' | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | did you know you can access the serial port on the qemu emulated n900 with the meego image btw? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: got a meeting will read in a minute | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: k | 15:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | 3 axis magnetometer and gyro. IR reciever. IRDA capable reciever/transmitter. serial port accessible without removing the battery. keyboard matrix improvements, swappable emmc, FM reciever with good antenna tuner on an internal ariel, ... | 15:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Nice dock connector, way to swap batteries without losing state, support for USB serial/video/audio/car dock/protocols on the usb. | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | All of these are generally under a dollar | 15:24 |
| Termana | Right, most of those would of probably been more important for application developers than low level developers though | 15:25 |
| Termana | But I understand what your saying | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | non-shitty frontcam | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - for low-level devs - simply making available for purchase the nokia debug adaptor which the phone slots onto would do it | 15:26 |
| * noobmonk3y likes his shitty front-cam! | 15:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | that gets you as serial port | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | mece, that was some fast fixing of your USB port :) | 15:26 |
| Termana | There probably isn't that many people who would consider proper serial over micro usb important - I only find it interesting because I involve myself with kernel level development, but I doubt the majority or the masses would give a damn | 15:27 |
| PhonicUK | 830MB later, I have the new SDK! :) | 15:27 |
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| Termana | And yes if the sold that, then it would be problem solved (sort of) - but AFAIK they don't. | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | They do! | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | (but only to nokia authorised repair centres) | 15:28 |
| * noobmonk3y goes for lunch bbiab | 15:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | I havne't investigated how to become one. | 15:28 |
| Termana | Right, so not helpful. | 15:28 |
| Termana | :P | 15:28 |
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| korhojoa | maemo eh | 15:31 |
| korhojoa | guess what | 15:31 |
| korhojoa | my father acquired a n900 since he saw me using mine. now he's all "how do i turn it to silent" | 15:31 |
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| Appiah | :D | 15:32 |
| hrw | anyway nokia and making device developer friendly? no shit... | 15:32 |
| mece | ShadowJK, yeah, it was pretty amazing :D | 15:33 |
| mece | Hey is there a pyside-maemo5 package hanging around somewhere with working dependencies? | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: (real basic serial over USB) will break the way NOLO is working to manage firmware flashing and bat charging | 15:34 |
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| korhojoa | KALIUMMANAATTI | 15:35 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, So there is at least a partial technical reason why the couldn't have done it? | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: yes. Generally speaking USB2 is really delicate with parasitary capacitance introduced by *any* additional components hooked up to the D+/- as well. Even Tranzorbs can be too much | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a multiplexer most likely is | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you could bitbang tty over the primary function GPIOs of the USB | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's still in conflict with USB.org specs I'd guess | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and as it stands USB.org cert specs killed our USB hostmode (though there's ever growing chances to resurrect it ;-) | 15:41 |
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| * MohammadAG thought it killed OTG :( | 15:42 | |
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| mece | ok so what is the PyQt4 equivalent of QMaemo5KinteicScroller ?? I can't find a reference manual anywhere. | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and en passant hostmode as well | 15:44 |
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| hrw | mece: QMaemo5KinteicScroller died already iirc | 15:46 |
| hrw | mece: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/9ecdb7284dd7c369cc88323314009ab8dba76fc0 | 15:46 |
| hrw | mece: kinetic scrolling is on by default now | 15:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there's still hope right? | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | more than ever before | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 15:48 |
| mece | hrw, so I just skip that one and it should work? | 15:49 |
| mece | hrw, that's nice. | 15:49 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, what's this aobut usb now? A New Hope? | 15:55 |
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| mece | hmm will I borken my phone if I install libqt4 from sdk repo? | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: hostmode on a logical level is just another sequence of databytes sent over the very same interface, so no issues except we need the correct driver to 'talk' host. musb_hdrc seems unable to do. HW side it's switchin between 1 R 2k2 pullup, and 2 x R 15k pulldown for the other mode. It's no real showstopper, even if we find we're not able to flip the corresponding bit in 1707 PHY chip. And then there's VBUS 5V supply. You could get away | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | without that by using an externally powered hub, y-cable etc. But it seems the bq24150 batcharger chip can provide a decent 5V to the USB receptacle | 16:00 |
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| achipa | mece: saywhat ? QMaemo5KinteicScroller ? | 16:01 |
| mece | achipa, well it's something that apparently is not needed anymore. | 16:02 |
| achipa | mece: there is an QAbstractScrollThingaMajig nowadays | 16:03 |
| achipa | though you need to do some funky casting to get to it | 16:03 |
| mece | achipa it's automagical with QListWidget for example. | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: mainly we'd need a gifted kernel hacker to put a better driver than that piece of crap called musb_hdrc ( http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#49 ) into the kernel | 16:04 |
| achipa | mece: there you go | 16:04 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: musb_hdrc is what drives OTG on omap | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: musb_hdrc is what OBVIOUSLY NOT drives OTG on omap (as it seems right now) | 16:05 |
| mece | why the crappetyhell can I not install pyside on the device? I have the same gaddamn libqt4 installed as in scratchbox? | 16:05 |
| achipa | mece: the trouble is when you start doing thinking how do things like QAbstractKineticScroller *scroller = scrollArea->property("kineticScroller").value<QAbstractKineticScroller *>(); in python | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it's supposed to | 16:05 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: depends which omap machine we are talking about | 16:05 |
| achipa | if you can avoid that, cool | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well if there are working implemetations on other omap platforms, then we should be able to fix this one, no? | 16:06 |
| achipa | mece: no you don't | 16:06 |
| achipa | mece: pyside is recompiled for PR1.2 | 16:06 |
| achipa | mece: so unless you are saying you've got PR1.2 on your device... | 16:07 |
| korhojoa | seriously. has anyone put together a bot that checks for that string yet? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: btw we're not interested in OTG first instance. We want a simple hostmode driver | 16:07 |
| mece | right. | 16:08 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: n900 has only OTG port. musb_hdrc handle host part | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | OTG is a hell of negotiations and insane VBUS pulsing etc | 16:08 |
| * achipa thinks String is too mundane a term to cover all the horrors of "that" | 16:08 | |
| mece | rigth that's the whole problem isn't it? | 16:08 |
| mece | feck. | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: sorry, don't get it. what's "OTG port"? | 16:08 |
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| mece | any way to install the old version? | 16:09 |
| achipa | mece: yep. You'll see libqt4-core (>> 4.6.2~gitwhatever) | 16:09 |
| achipa | I guess so | 16:09 |
| achipa | try with = | 16:09 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: omap3 has EHCI port and OTG port. first is driven by ehci_hcd, second by musb_hdrc | 16:09 |
| achipa | apt-get install pyside-gui=previousversionname | 16:09 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: musb_hdrc handle switching host/client/none and host part | 16:10 |
| mece | achipa, will do, thanks., | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: there's basically no such thing like different EHCI and OTG ports | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: please tell me how it handles a forced switch to host. 'echo host > mode' simply does nuttin | 16:11 |
| mece | achipa is that the whole filename? | 16:11 |
| mece | like apt-get install pyside-qt4=pyside-qt4_0.2.3_1maemo2 | 16:12 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: short ID pin to ground | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: that's nonsense, cause that's OTG | 16:12 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: but n900 does not have Id pin connected | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's also incorrect | 16:12 |
| achipa | just version | 16:12 |
| achipa | apt-get install pyside-qt4=0.2.3-1maemo3 | 16:12 |
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| hrw | DocScrutinizer: with beagleboard I plug usb client cable and gadgets works. I plug host cable and usbhub gets recognized | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and with GTA02 I echo host > mode and it switches to hostmode logical | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: I want to switch to hostmode via sysfs, not use ID pin OTG mode | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: see http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#2010 -- does not work :-(( | 16:16 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: TI drivers suxx, thats known | 16:16 |
| mece | achipa, cheers, it works! | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's written in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#40 ff | 16:16 |
| achipa | mece: (Y) | 16:17 |
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| mece | achipa, but one thing is confusing. Shouldn't the package point at the newest? and I chose the newest version, and now it installs..? | 16:17 |
| achipa | the newest is 0.3.0 for me | 16:17 |
| achipa | (those all link to libqt4 >> 4.6.2) | 16:17 |
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| achipa | or is that not what you are referring to :) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: anyway, it's the driver that sucks and stops us from using hostmode. It's NOT the hardware | 16:18 |
| mece | whoooaa.. my magical super app works :D | 16:18 |
| mece | it did not set background color gradient as it's supposed to though. | 16:19 |
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| mece | and scrolling is epically smooth too. Oh well. I'm off. | 16:20 |
| mece | tataa. | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: and my guess is Nokia crippled that driver intentionally and on purpose, to work around conflicts with USB.org cert, as Nokia wasn't able to comply with the whole set of features mandatory for OTG/embedded_host. So they swapped the AB-receptacle (as still labeled in schematics) by a B-type, and removed all hostmode bits from the driver | 16:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a published git or something repo for the kernel that you could dig into history with? | 16:22 |
| summel | o/ i made a new wallpaper | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no idea, EE here, not SW-maintenance | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though I'd guess there ought to be | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: could you try to shed some light on this? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | which? | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I.E. ask inside Nokia what's been the true story about the whole USB-host issue | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | certification, most likely | 16:25 |
| hrw | SpeedEvil: are you kidding? no such tree | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: quite obviously the "hw can't do it" is a fuzzy partial truth at best | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | sure about the connector these days? | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm quite sure the connector is a B-type, which by definition doesn't allow hostmode | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | according to USB.org specs | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | what doesn't mean it would work flawlessly nevertheless | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | would NOT* | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E hostmode doesn't care about the connector | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USB.org does | 16:28 |
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| korhojoa | hostmode wouldn't know it if it was run through clotheshanger wire | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically yes ;-D | 16:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | korhojoa: though it's the same with device mode | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | USB-OTG *plus* charging is extremely complex. And USB.org wont give you cert if you fail to comply completely. So I bet Nokia opted to kick the whole OTG bit, and used a B-type connector (easy simple BOM change, even footprint is identical) to put an end to issues with USB.org nagging on Nokia they must comply to this and to that and N900 isn't certifyable | 16:31 |
| tybollt | bullshit | 16:33 |
| tybollt | nokia is big enough - they could buy their way out of this | 16:33 |
| summel | :o | 16:33 |
| summel | i have an idea | 16:33 |
| tybollt | they should look at microsoft/googlers comittee abuse and do the same | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it may have saved them from another 3 months delay of rollout | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a chain of stuff | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | if you don't have a USB compliant phone. | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Then you can't easily make a USB driver for windows | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you mustn't sell in China if shit happens | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | As one of the requirements of microsoft is that the USB device is an approved USB device | 16:34 |
| summel | is someone else interested in working on maemo-look.org? :) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | USB.org is angry at you, giving you a hard time ever since | 16:35 |
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| korhojoa | SpeedEvil: of course. | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so who's savvy enough to put that friggin kernel driver to work ? | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 6 minutes passed, looks like no one lol | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm counting on Stskeeps to get some, however unofficial, support from Nokia for that | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: do me a favour and add it to the review thread so i remember it | 16:44 |
| foO_ | hi. i am wondering, if it's possible to use the nokia n900 with a umts-only sim card. do you have any experience with that? | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell I wouldn't mind a driver that's spitting OOOPS when running into a bit that's not yet adapted to N900 idiosyncrasies. Just the one we got now simply does nothing | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: review thread? the current one with your shootdown ;-D ? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Boy Scouts Give Up Entirely, Offer Video Game Badge | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: sure :P | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 16:47 |
| RST38h | The Tentacled One conquers the boyscout league | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: very terse, but I hope it suffices | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and yeah, I know I suck by not delivering the paper I promised :-( | 16:53 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: driving to denmark tonight, still a bunch of time :) | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what? thought your visit at Nokia had ended some week or 2 ago? | 16:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer looks for large trout to slap himself | 16:57 | |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: volcano ash | 16:58 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Just posted on your 6 Month Review thread | 17:01 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y what did you use to time startup time for healthcheck when doing those tests with/without comments? | 17:03 |
| * Arkenoi_ got awfully sick of people who think cc==gcc, ld==gnu ld, x11 == xorg. it just sucks when your system differs and they do not even expect that writing the software. | 17:03 | |
| mgedmin | add sh==bash to that list | 17:04 |
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| * mgedmin glares at the Maemo SDK installer scripts | 17:04 | |
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| pgas | ie unix = gnu | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unix = gnu's not unix - nice | 17:10 |
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| frals | hmm | 17:12 |
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| zaheerm | 'The JooJoo has a nine-second boot-up time and a browser-based operating system. On Fusion Garage's website, the company addresses the issue of an application store — the distribution method favoured by Apple for its iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad — by saying JooJoo "has the largest app store in the world... it's called the internet".' | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: Nokia now *has* the USBcert batch on their N900 boxes. And they have that friggin B-receptacle. It probably wouldn't hurt if they re-enabled hostmode support in kernel | 17:13 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: fun is that pr1.1.1 kernel has hostmode enabled | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: you mean in CONFIG-*? | 17:14 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Wouldn't the USB certification get taken away and they would have to stop chucking the logo on the boxes? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: nope, for sure not | 17:14 |
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| * Arkenoi_ wonders if anyone really cares about logo | 17:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see above - nokia cares | 17:15 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: yes | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably Nokia is member or contractor or whatever of USB.org | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: yes, but something seems to miss completely | 17:16 |
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| andrewfblack | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=631597#post631597 | 17:17 |
| andrewfblack | chem|st: I guess your same chemist as t.m.o lol | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: as mentioned before: 2011 musb_mode_store(struct device *dev, struct device_attribute *attr, const char *buf, size_t n), static DEVICE_ATTR(mode, 0644, musb_mode_show, musb_mode_store); 'echo host >mode' --> *nuttin, nada, niente* | 17:18 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: I know, I did such tests when got n900 | 17:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals: 2 methods, one a stop watch, two a command that i can't remember of the top of my head that lcuk pointed me at last week....... | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: if it wasn't disabled somehow (I'm not clever enough to 'gdb in wetware') you would expect it should throw an error at least | 17:20 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: ok | 17:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | i basically put it in places in my code to measure how long it took to run that command.... measuring startup was a bit hit and miss though | 17:21 |
| frals | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=629943&postcount=49 | 17:21 |
| frals | that is pretty good for startup | 17:22 |
| frals | using it now to do some tweaking | 17:22 |
| * andrewfblack is looking for a new phone to replace the Phone Part of his N900. | 17:22 | |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhh | 17:22 |
| noobmonk3y | andrewfblack: paper cups and string - tis an upgrade ;) | 17:22 |
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| frals | 4742 function calls (4686 primitive calls) in 2.148 CPU seconds | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: *.pyc, *.pyo | 17:22 |
| noobmonk3y | i have an e71 - but i have to admit i prefer the phone on the n900 :P | 17:22 |
| * noobmonk3y turns DocScrutinizer into a pyo | 17:23 | |
| * noobmonk3y pulls his n93 out of the drawer.... wow thats dusty! | 17:23 | |
| andrewfblack | noobmonk3y: I think I'm going to give in and go windows mobile so I can atleast use my N900 as a tablet at work since we don't have cell coverage and wifi only allows windows mobile phones to use it | 17:23 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwwww :( - a guy who works for me has the new HTC - tis a nice looking phone | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | i'd miss the keyboard too much | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | ciao doc | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | frals thats not to slow :P | 17:24 |
| andrewfblack | noobmonk3y: I'm considering a Tilt2 instead of the HD2 for the keyboard | 17:24 |
| frals | ~0.5 it is importing gtk :/ | 17:25 |
| infobot | frals: what are you talking about? | 17:25 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 17:25 |
| * noobmonk3y is gonna go try that on healthcheck | 17:25 | |
| frals | just make sure you uncomment whatever gets you into qt mainloop :D | 17:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, need to be root? | 17:26 |
| frals | uh no | 17:26 |
| frals | you need python-profiler package from debian thou | 17:26 |
| noobmonk3y | 'permission denied .profile' | 17:26 |
| frals | :D | 17:26 |
| frals | ah rite | 17:27 |
| noobmonk3y | oh lol! | 17:27 |
| frals | you need to have write permissions to the dir | 17:27 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh so do it on my mydocs version | 17:27 |
| frals | ye | 17:27 |
| frals | or chown the dir as root ;P | 17:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm nothing happenned, it just ran healthcheck | 17:29 |
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| frals | well you need to make it not run whatever qt's equivalent to gtk.main() is | 17:30 |
| frals | do you have a git repo or smth so i can cehck the source? :P | 17:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lol ignore me | 17:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | still need to install python-profiler | 17:30 |
| noobmonk3y | obsolete | 17:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | or missing | 17:31 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 17:31 |
| frals | hence you need to get it from debian ;) | 17:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | oh pooo | 17:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | will worry about that another day | 17:33 |
| frals | hehe | 17:33 |
| frals | god domino cookies are delicious | 17:33 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-profiler | 17:33 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 17:33 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 17:33 |
| frals | theres a dl link right there! | 17:34 |
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| * noobmonk3y is typing it in on the n900 | 17:34 | |
| * noobmonk3y will take a little while as i'm fat fingered | 17:34 | |
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| frals | copy paste? ssh to device? ;P | 17:35 |
| Mece | bääääck | 17:35 |
| noobmonk3y | at work :P | 17:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | wb Mece | 17:35 |
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| Mece | :) | 17:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals - getting server doesnt exist :| - gonna go outside n get some signal! | 17:36 |
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| frals | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python-profiler | 17:37 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | yay | 17:38 |
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| frals | wow quite a diff running the .pyc instead of the .py | 17:39 |
| frals | Command being timed: "python fmms_gui.py" | 17:39 |
| frals | User time (seconds): 2.05 | 17:39 |
| frals | User time (seconds): 1.75 | 17:39 |
| frals | for the pyc! | 17:40 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | incombloodypatibale!!! | 17:40 |
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| frals | Noobmonk3y_: http://irc.frals.se/maemo/python-profiler_2.5.2-1_all.deb is what i installed on my devices at least | 17:41 |
| korhojoa | :o | 17:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y_ | incompatible it is saying | 17:42 |
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| * noobmonk3y grumbles | 17:43 | |
| frals | using HAM or dpkg? | 17:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | ham | 17:43 |
| frals | wget it and dpkg :P | 17:43 |
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| lcuk2 | upgrade yourself from noobmonk3y to someonwahtcompetentmonk3y | 17:44 |
| lcuk2 | -typos ofc | 17:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol! | 17:45 |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 17:45 | |
| noobmonk3y | ok, wget done | 17:45 |
| frals | need to be root for dpkg -i | 17:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | gpkg - install? | 17:45 |
| noobmonk3y | oh just -i | 17:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | dpkg* | 17:45 |
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| Mece | hello. could ssome kind soul post a link to a fex. python scipt that does jpg2png? | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | someone install netpbm | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | job done | 17:49 |
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| mgedmin | imagemagick for the win | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | $ convert image.jpg image.png | 17:51 |
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| mgedmin | for Python you can do that with PIL | 17:52 |
| Mece | mgedmin, what's that? | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | Python Imaging Library | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | it would make sense if you were writing an app for converting images; less sense if you just need to convert one or two | 17:52 |
| Mece | mgedmin, well I dont want to write a program, I wanted to do wget urltoscript, python script.py input.jpg output.png | 17:53 |
| Mece | that is all. i have a jpg, i want a png. | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | in that case imagemagick is quicker and simpler | 17:53 |
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| Mece | do I have that? | 17:54 |
| Surfa | if you have linux, most likely yes | 17:55 |
| Mece | i have maemo5, duh . | 17:55 |
| Surfa | then most likely no :) | 17:55 |
| Surfa | why do you want to do that on your phone? | 17:55 |
| mgedmin | there ought to be online image format conversion sites somewhere... | 17:56 |
| Mece | heh, perhaps I should have clarified. | 17:56 |
| mgedmin | ha! imagemagick _is_ available for maemo5 | 17:56 |
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| mgedmin | from extras-devel only, though | 17:56 |
| Surfa | :O surprise | 17:56 |
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| mgedmin | python-imaging is in extras, otoh | 17:56 |
| Mece | mgedmin, yeah, i'm already installing. | 17:56 |
| Mece | mgedmin, devel is where I live ;) | 17:57 |
| * mgedmin too | 17:57 | |
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| Mece | ouff.. 26Mb | 17:57 |
| mgedmin | for reference, Python version (untested): python -c "import Image; Image.open('foo.jpg').save('foo.png')" | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | you'd need to install python-imaging for that to work | 17:58 |
| mgedmin | correction: python -c "from PIL import Image; Image.open(...)" | 17:58 |
| Mece | mgedmin, wow! | 17:59 |
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| Mece | mgedmin, the first one worked... | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | maybe Maemo5 PIL packaging differs from Debian | 18:00 |
| Mece | awesome. | 18:00 |
| mgedmin | haven't ever used PIL on maemo | 18:00 |
| * Mece is in awe of mgedmin's python powers | 18:00 | |
| mgedmin | 8 years of daily use will to that to a person | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | besides, I looked it up in the manual ;) | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Public Image Limited | 18:02 |
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| nicknamewastoolo | still too long | 18:08 |
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| nickstilltoolong | yay! | 18:09 |
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| chem|st | andrewfblack: grats | 18:11 |
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| andrewfblack | chem|st: you to :) | 18:11 |
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| chem|st | andrewfblack: I am just stuck with moving and merging for about as long as we are upgraded... | 18:16 |
| chem|st | andrewfblack: I should do my laundry... thats less work | 18:16 |
| andrewfblack | chem|st: yeah I think we got our self into alot of work | 18:17 |
| chem|st | andrewfblack: screw us ;) | 18:17 |
| chem|st | ~blame chem|st volunteering | 18:17 |
| * infobot blames chem|st volunteering (and Canada) for all the evil in the world | 18:17 | |
| chem|st | the and Canada is nice | 18:17 |
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| andrewfblack | do N900 specific threads will fit in General Section shouldn't they be moved to a N900 Section | 18:22 |
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| chem|st | andrewfblack: depends if they are h/w related they go N900 if software they go Applications | 18:24 |
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| andrewfblack | chem|st: yeah what I was thinking I just fell that any device specific threads should not be in general really | 18:25 |
| chem|st | if you cannot decide you may split them or leav it there | 18:25 |
| chem|st | nope they shouldn't | 18:25 |
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| chem|st | also no Application threads should be in Maemo5 | 18:25 |
| chem|st | leave an expi date for 1 week and move what you like to or what you know to... I am more than now and then unsure where to move something | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wtf is it with double /home/home duplicates | 18:30 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG_: where come | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG_ | chem|st, seen about 3 threads with full /home cause of a duplicate | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | here's one http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=631492&postcount=8 | 18:31 |
| microlith | hmm | 18:32 |
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| microlith | I wonder if MS will demand patent royalties from Nokia for using Linux | 18:32 |
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| chem|st | microlith: lol | 18:42 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG_: is the problem pinpointed yet | 18:42 |
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| frals | i love pushing a new package without updating the actual code | 18:44 |
| frals | just so i can get two releases out and make noobmonkey download them both | 18:44 |
| frals | shame he isnt here atm thou! | 18:45 |
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| chem|st | frals: you may try again later | 18:47 |
| chem|st | ;) | 18:47 |
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| MohammadAG_ | chem|st, no, but people are blaming openjazz | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | never checked it out | 18:52 |
| chem|st | I wont try! | 18:53 |
| chem|st | not again doing something silly on purpose (at least not yet) | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | where the f | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | nvm | 18:55 |
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| frals | ~curse gconf | 19:29 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gconf ! | 19:29 |
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| mikki-kun | what?! Ö.ö | 19:30 |
| mikki-kun | that is just mean :( | 19:30 |
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| mikki-kun | Win XP admin >.< | 19:30 |
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| frals | love how gconf_get_all_dirs() returns all subdirs in some random order | 19:33 |
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| lcuk2 | frals, sorting is expensive | 19:34 |
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| frals | yeah | 19:35 |
| frals | makes it a fuckin mess for me thou! | 19:35 |
| lcuk2 | heh | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 19:35 |
| lcuk2 | slonopotamus, | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | surprise, fs dir listing isn't sorted either | 19:35 |
| frals | so i need to try to insert my stuff, check the tree and see if it shows up before or after the other apn and then repeat until it gets in the correct psotition | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | :/ | 19:36 |
| frals | sounds like a good way to spend the afternoon \o/ | 19:36 |
| lcuk2 | frals, | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk2: | 19:37 |
| lcuk2 | either that or see if the tree has a ->sorted()" attribute | 19:37 |
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| lcuk2 | most grids lists trees ive used in the past on numerous frameworks do | 19:37 |
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| lcuk2 | slonopotamus, | 19:37 |
| lcuk2 | what? | 19:37 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk2: you started doing that | 19:37 |
| frals | lcuk2: well, the connectivity/icd guys were lazy and just used get_all_dirs() and stopped at first match | 19:38 |
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| frals | so i need to reproduce that to make sure my apn isnt the first match | 19:38 |
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| lcuk2 | frals, ahh.. | 19:39 |
| andrewfblack | The N900 is the only smart phone Bill Gates doesn't make money off of now, he now makes money off Windows Mobile, iphone, or android crasy | 19:39 |
| mikki-ku1 | meh, how did you do the Ghost-thing in freenode? | 19:39 |
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| frals | mikki-ku1: /msg nickserv ghost | 19:40 |
| frals | iirc :P | 19:40 |
| mikki-ku1 | thanks | 19:40 |
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| lcuk2 | amazing short video showing the dancing around euro airspace as it rebooted: http://vimeo.com/11205494 | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | frals: why do you list all subdirs if you need only one? | 19:41 |
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| frals | slonopotamus: its not my fault, its icd whos doing it and i have to work around it | 19:42 |
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| frals | lcuk2: saw it when you linked on twitter, pretty cool :) | 19:43 |
| PhonicUK | hey all :) | 19:43 |
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| dubzii | burninating the village | 19:49 |
| dubzii | burninating all the people | 19:49 |
| dubzii | TROGDOR | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG_ | shouldn't I be able to backup to the eMMC? | 19:58 |
| matthew_ | any1 good in physics here btw? | 19:59 |
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| * trogdor burninates dubzii | 20:00 | |
| trogdor | :) | 20:00 |
| dubzii | aahhhh | 20:00 |
| dubzii | tnx for reminding me of that awesome vid. got the song in my head again | 20:01 |
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| trogdor | I'm here to help, heh | 20:06 |
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| hans1 | hi all | 20:14 |
| hans1 | kann jemand deutsch ? | 20:14 |
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| chadi | Hi. I have a folder with subfolder and subfiles, and would like to copy it to another location using terminal; the same folder name exists in the target location, but I want to overwrite the common files. can anyone tell me how? | 20:15 |
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| hardaker | cp oldfilder/* /path/to/new/folder | 20:18 |
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| VDVsx | or cp -r oldfolder/ new_location/ | 20:19 |
| chadi | so cp /home/foo/* /tmp/foo/ ? | 20:19 |
| chadi | thank you, the -r did the trick | 20:19 |
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| chadi | another quesion, is /home/opt important? | 20:20 |
| hardaker | very | 20:21 |
| chadi | I don't see why I have a /home/opt and an /opt | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | cause it's symlinked | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | /home/opt -> /opt | 20:22 |
| lcuk2 | /home/opt is the actual folder that /opt is linked to | 20:22 |
| hardaker | -bash-2.05b$ ls -ld opt | 20:22 |
| hardaker | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 17 04:36 opt -> /home/opt | 20:22 |
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| hardaker | dibbler! | 20:22 |
| hardaker | sweet | 20:22 |
| chadi | umm okay | 20:22 |
| chadi | thanks | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ping | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | long story short? because Nokia missed to place rootfs on eMMC | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so...: | 20:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 20:24 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sausage inna bun? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 20:24 |
| infobot | somebody said optification was a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs | 20:24 |
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| * SpeedEvil has been out cutting heads off. | 20:24 | |
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| SpeedEvil | (flowers) | 20:24 |
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| hardaker | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll see if I can digest one; how much? | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you found some of the bq24x00 regs are actually sysnodes? | 20:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | 22 | 20:24 |
| * GAN900 resists replying to Nathan's inanity in Stskeeps's thread. | 20:24 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | only $4 and that's cuttin me own throat | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | modprobe bq27x00_battery | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ffs | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | incredible, there's a module and it's not loaded - MUHAHA | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ' /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/[cv]* \ | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | how SILLY is THAT? | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not a very great module | 20:26 |
| hardaker | CutMeOwnThroat: btw, you might interested in this fountain that I found in japan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardaker/4160798158/ | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | it just exports raw_shunt_voltage, percent, and voltage, and kelvin | 20:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | (so current_now is really in units of (20/3.57)mA | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | FATAL: Module bq27x00_battery not found. | 20:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | modprobe bq27x00_battery | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 20:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It must be in the kernel I installed | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 20:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what a freaking kernel SpeedEvil is using | 20:28 | |
| ShadowJK | I wouldn't want rootfs on emmc until they come up with some sensible filesystem | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | 'enhanced linux kernel for power users' - in extras devel I think | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf?! | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ubifs is probably sane | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | t-tan's | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | but with all of the error correcting shizzle ripped out | 20:29 |
| ShadowJK | Can you run ubifs on block devices? | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:29:16 PM) SpeedEvil: but with all of the error correcting shizzle ripped out | 20:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/NAND_Testing#SD_Cards - I will point to | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with ext2/3 in eMMC rootfs? | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | A fail after 15Tb of writes - to one zone of the card | 20:31 |
| javispedro | you're STILL on the flash paranoia topic? O.o :) | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - read the thread in http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org/msg170028.html - to get an idea | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically - mmc/sd does probably not wear level over the whole device - but blocks of - say - 1024 eraseblocks | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh that seems to be no much difference to ubifs on NAND | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | except NAND is much smaller | 20:32 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:32 |
| ShadowJK | I don't care about wear&tear really | 20:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | performance isn't noticably bad. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | at least - I've never noticed an issue. | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | But I'd like a fs that avoids write amplification, because it's like hitting a rock performance-wise | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | Try downloading something with gpodder, it's very noticeable | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | write amplification? | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | from just having swap and media on same device | 20:33 |
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| ShadowJK | performance in general :) | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: hey did you get an updated set of strings? :) | 20:34 |
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| ShadowJK | so it's like 5 megabyte/s or something write performance ideally, and something like 80kbyte/s at worst.. it's like hitting a brick wall :) | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why? | 20:37 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; yes, I installed the update and the sting is still as it was before (have also rebooted) | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | my n900 now has access to my corporate intranet, lemme go fishing | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | why what? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you know address (I2C) of 24150 off top of your head? | 20:38 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; sure | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: why is it that bad? | 20:38 |
| chem|st | re | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and why on eMMC but not on NAND? | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, because the emmc is managed by the card itself, and it's stupid and optimized for sequential writes. On NAND you have raw access to the underlying flash, so you can manage it more intelligently, do partial writes and erase blocks before they're used (like TRIM on SSDs).. | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah k | 20:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, eBook reader sounds a bit . . . optimistic. ;) | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | The underlying block size is something like 256kilobytes.. When you write a 4K block somewhere, and then write another block elsewhere, the card itself reads 256k, modifies 4k of that, erases a block, writes the 256k of data to the new block | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | I don't remember the 24150 address :/ | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | ARGH | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | Cricket is so annoying | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on eMMC it's worse thoufg not slower | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | that was emmc :) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (addr) np | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | move / to the eMMC, and swap to the openNAND (if that's even possible), and you shouldn't notice any slowdowns :) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought eMMC had much larger blocks | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | (theoretically, I never tried it) | 20:43 |
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| ShadowJK | on nand you can manage it yourself. The only operation which has to be done in 256k blocks is the erase operation, you can leave parts of it unwritten and write it later with no penalty | 20:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | (06:34:11 PM) SpeedEvil: tou mean where the mmc has to do read-modify-write cycles? | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:34:11 PM) SpeedEvil: oh | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:34:24 PM) SpeedEvil: well - I'd say actually that's more the fault of the swap algo | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:34:35 PM) SpeedEvil: swap _really_ blows in many ways on flash | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:34:58 PM) SpeedEvil: It needs to be taught to write in one linear sweep basically. | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (06:35:55 PM) SpeedEvil: As even reading and rewriting at a different place half of the blocks under a linear sweep is cheaper than single block writes | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes, that's all basically known here | 20:44 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders how hard a shit proof-of-concept algorithm pretending to be nbd would be. | 20:44 | |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but we still have no solutions for it :) | 20:45 |
| VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, thats normal in GSoC :D, as far we get the basic functionalities done, I'll be happy ;) | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the elementary problem is: except for swap all you frequently write to has to move to eMMC anyway, for mere avail size reasons | 20:46 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd actually want ~ on a different device too | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | for the database writes | 20:46 |
| ShadowJK | Big huge drive for software and media, one for ~ and one for swap | 20:47 |
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| E0x | hello | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd want tmp and var on eMMC | 20:47 |
| ShadowJK | Or I guess someone could hire Jörn Engel so they could whip him into finishing logfs :P | 20:47 |
| javispedro | most maemo apps are already using the emmc for larger tmp stuff | 20:47 |
| javispedro | app mgr, ... | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, move them :) | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: nah, igniting my bq24150 now | 20:48 |
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| MohammadAG_ | (whatever that is :) ) | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | VBUS booster chip (also bat charge) | 20:48 |
| E0x | in debian having a lot repositories of diferent stage can cause a lot of problems ( example: haven testing repositories in stable install ) and i saw in mamemo for almost all "Good" tools/app you need add some testing or devel repo , this can't cause the same damage/problems that cause in debian ? | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | you using i2cget or found a kernel driver? | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the little black box bme is hiding away from us | 20:49 |
| E0x | sorry for the off-topic | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I2C* | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first I'll simply patch your script or sth like that, to read out | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | next step - tweak it a little | 20:50 |
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| ShadowJK | Eh, I started from scratch ;) | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | but then the crashy maemo nano ate my script :-( | 20:51 |
| ShadowJK | before I saved :-/ | 20:51 |
| * ShadowJK should install emacs | 20:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | though I guess my c&p foo might suffice to clone a 27x00 driver for a generic 24150 driver | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably I'll fail on compiling it, though | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:52 |
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| frals | thanks! | 21:01 |
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| w00t_ | ow. | 21:01 |
| w00t_ | :P | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: >>The slave address byte is the first byte recaddress bits are factory preset to ‘1101011’. | 21:05 |
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| lirakis | any more news on when an update is coming out with 1.2? | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | No, Nokia does not announce in advance | 21:16 |
| sECuRE | most recent speculation (AFAIK) is end of april | 21:16 |
| frals | i heard november! | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | i vote that pr1.2 is released yesterday | 21:18 |
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| * lcuk2 also votes for the same too :D | 21:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/i2c# ./i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x03 -> 0x4b == bq24150 Rev1.1 | 21:20 |
| lirakis | jfc | 21:20 |
| * lirakis is tiring of nokia | 21:21 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | You guys keep talking about it, it just keeps getting pushed back. | 21:22 |
| trumee | although it is going to be released in hongkong tomorrow. i dont think nokia is quick enough to rlease PR1.2 tomorrow | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | trumee, why not? | 21:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | trumee, we don't know what's going on behind the NDAs. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Heck, we usually know when a release has hit before most of Maemo Devices. | 21:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's no reason why it couldn't be tomorrow morning. | 21:23 |
| trumee | what NDAs? | 21:23 |
| timeless_mbp | non-disclosure-agreements | 21:23 |
| Trizt | trumee; you speculate on Friday? | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | schizophrenia on paper | 21:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and it's true, people here tend to know when things are released hours or days before i find out | 21:24 |
| trumee | Trizt: next week probably | 21:24 |
| trumee | any idea what day of the week last firmware was released | 21:25 |
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| bogie11 | sounds like betting | 21:25 |
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| Trizt | think it was tuesdat, but could be wrong, but as far as I remember it's been different week days each time | 21:26 |
| andre__ | trumee, the last updates were on different weekdays. that won't help you :) | 21:26 |
| bogie11 | qt unified sdk relies on pr1.2, and it was released on tuesday | 21:26 |
| ShadowJK | iirc one of the updates was before a long weekend iirc :) | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, my right brain knows days before my left half, what the left half is going to think the right half is supposed to know :-P | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | pr1.2 released? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | NNOOOOOOOOOOO | 21:27 |
| bogie11 | 2012 | 21:27 |
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| Scelt | jacekowski: PR 1.2 OUT?!?!?! | 21:27 |
| ShadowJK | 2022 | 21:27 |
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| Trizt | 2222 | 21:27 |
| lirakis | NEVER | 21:27 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: interesting. it is a long weekend this week in UK | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *promise* I'll change chan topic as soon as pr1.2 is available | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | please stop to ask | 21:27 |
| Scelt | DocScrutinizer: y? you have hot temper? | 21:27 |
| Trizt | DocScrutinizer; so 1.2 is released? ;) | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | Scelt, it's fucking annoying when people ask it every minute | 21:28 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: better to check here than tmo :) | 21:28 |
| Scelt | ShadowJK: relax | 21:28 |
| itdock | lol | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | So, anyone wanna create a fake PR 1.2 that bricks devices? :D | 21:28 |
| Scelt | ShadowJK: ...and do it! everybody just do it! | 21:28 |
| lirakis | i wonder if you be able to search for a freakin email | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | One you could link to everytime someone asks about 1.2 | 21:28 |
| lirakis | ... so lame | 21:28 |
| Trizt | I tend to get a notification on my phone when it's released | 21:29 |
| frals | WHAT PR1.2 IS OUT?! I HAVE NO NOTIFICATION?! | 21:29 |
| itdock | omg what wheres pr1.2 | 21:29 |
| itdock | :P | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Trizt: but you sometimes have to wair hours before you get notified. | 21:29 |
| trumee | is it possible to create an image of a virgin device and flash it using flasher | 21:29 |
| bogie11 | no if you don't want go to prison ;) | 21:30 |
| trumee | some HK person could create an image of the virgin phone | 21:30 |
| Trizt | SpeedEvil; could be so, but you can run a update check every 5 minutes if it's so important to get it fast :P | 21:30 |
| lirakis | or maybe ... you will be able to delete an email from the popup ... instead of having to view it.... go back to inbox... and delete i there | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm starting to get angry | 21:30 |
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| * Trizt wish he could be in HK | 21:31 | |
| trumee | does maemo team operate from finland? | 21:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | trumee, Maemo Devices has locations in several countries | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | trumee, and lots of contractors, besides. | 21:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, we wouldn't like you when you're angry? | 21:33 |
| trumee | GeneralAntilles: ah i see. so release could happen any time of the day? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you never liked me as I'm an always angry old fart | 21:34 |
| itdock | sigh | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | trumee, releases generally happen in the early morning Finnish time. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | trumee, and then progress around the globe. | 21:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | For stupid, inane, reasons. | 21:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | And then several weeks later, in the UK. | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, a good way to stop if something bad happens | 21:36 |
| trumee | hmm. 2 hours ahead of UK. that is good. | 21:37 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: flashing global firmware on UK devices voids warranty? | 21:37 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 21:38 |
| SpeedEvil | don't think so. | 21:38 |
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| Trizt | is there more than one version? | 21:38 |
| timeless_mbp | there are ~10 :) | 21:39 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: it is not like changing the device id. its only software change, so should be ok. | 21:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, i really did check | 21:39 |
| Trizt | ain't that a bit silly? wouldn't it just be simpler with one? | 21:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | the difference for the uk firmware is for an incredibly pointless edge case | 21:39 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: what is that? | 21:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | trumee: it has something to do with deciding what numbers are emergency numbers | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but it doesn't really matter if you have a uk sim inserted | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: heh, that's fun actually to fiddle with 24150 | 21:41 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: what a waste! | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: well, it's useful for ensuring that we're able to create variants | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes, it's incredibly stupid otherwise | 21:41 |
| timeless_mbp | and rather unfortunate that we have customers who wait for it | 21:42 |
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| trumee | timeless_mbp: so flashing global firmware wont ring back to nokia? | 21:42 |
| Trizt | you have customers with custom versions? | 21:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: yes | 21:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least, i believe so | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | well for some definition of 'custom\ | 21:43 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: people were changing n95 device id to unbrand and that used to alert nokia. guess flasher doesnt dothat. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | UK vodafone, no? | 21:43 |
| Trizt | I guess my operator has one.... they seem to have some strange things on every phone they sell | 21:43 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: right | 21:43 |
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| trumee | so any idea if sip/skype video calling is supported? | 21:55 |
| trumee | in pr1.2 | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | No, not supported afaik | 21:56 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG_: what was the changelog about videocalling then? | 21:56 |
| lirakis | just google ?? | 21:56 |
| lirakis | aka google video ? | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | trumee, Gtalk | 21:57 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG_: awww! | 21:57 |
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| chadi | Vote for skype not connecting through a proxy bug; https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10062 - I hope it's not a WONTFIX for maemo5 :( | 21:58 |
| povbot | Bug 10062: Skype doesn't use network connection proxy settings | 21:58 |
| * MohammadAG_ marks as WONFIX | 21:58 | |
| MohammadAG_ | jk :P | 21:58 |
| trumee | sip support is pathetic in N900 | 21:58 |
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| chadi | yeah | 21:58 |
| trumee | android is better for sip | 21:58 |
| lirakis | trumee, wha??? | 21:58 |
| Trizt | boot android when you want to sip ;) | 21:59 |
| trumee | funny nokia developed their own sip stack but left out features | 21:59 |
| lirakis | my G1 did not do sip integration half as well as N900 | 21:59 |
| chadi | now andre shows up and tells me: management decided that this is a WONTFIX for Maemo5, but this will be addressed in Meego, yay | 21:59 |
| lirakis | android required a seperate sip client | 21:59 |
| trumee | i need MWI support | 21:59 |
| andre__ | chadi: you're welcome :-P | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | lmfao | 22:00 |
| trumee | the sofia sip library supports it but nokia devs are too lazy to build it into n900 | 22:00 |
| chadi | andre__ good day, sir! | 22:00 |
| andre__ | chadi, in which ticket did I do so before? :) | 22:00 |
| lcuk | question: how do i disable totally ALL call functionality from my n900 - sometimes i want to give jake the phone and he keeps calling people | 22:00 |
| andre__ | heja chadi :) | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: emm, remove sim? | 22:01 |
| chadi | andre__ : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9855 | 22:01 |
| povbot | Bug 9855: Cannot delete fields (e.g. phone numbers) added by a Skype account | 22:01 |
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| * ioeee hi @all o/ | 22:01 | |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, manually install PR1.2 packages, phone will segfault with "Internal error" | 22:01 |
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| lirakis | is the android on n900 project dead ?? | 22:02 |
| trumee | android used a third party sip library and have MWI support | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | there was ever one? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | even 911 won't work | 22:02 |
| Trizt | lcuk; tried "Cellular Modem Control Buttons"? | 22:02 |
| chadi | andre__ : if skype does all the work for you, why delay the fixes for Meego? I don't understand this management decision. | 22:02 |
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| trumee | Nokia have always sucked at MWI support. was crap in N95 even | 22:02 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, i have pr1.2.. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | Trizt, mm ? | 22:03 |
| andre__ | chadi, this is a Contacts issue. It is not a Skype issue. | 22:03 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, removing sim does not help when i just want to give it him for a few minutes to play with | 22:04 |
| Trizt | should make the n900 to loose it's ability to call | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, manually install PR1.1.1 packages then | 22:04 |
| andre__ | chadi, and "delaying the fixes for MeeGo" implies that code has been written yet. why do you assume that? | 22:04 |
| chadi | andre__: Oh, thanks for pointing that out. But anyway, why not fix it in Maemo5 since you are planning to fix it anyway :( | 22:04 |
| VDVsx | MohammadAG_, I think that's normal since you don't have access to all the packages that are needed | 22:04 |
| andre__ | chadi: how different are the codebases between Maemo5 calendar and Maemo6 calendar, and how much effort does it take to apply a fix to both codebases? | 22:05 |
| andre__ | (I don't know myself. But that's my guess.) | 22:05 |
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| chadi | andre__: I'd be happy to fix that myself :) | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | VDVsx, I only installed some packages to prove the keyboard doesn't go into portrait mode | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | and to see the portrait browser :) | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | VDVsx, when's the next testing marathon? | 22:06 |
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| VDVsx | chadi, maemo calendar is closed source | 22:07 |
| chadi | yay | 22:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | andre__, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9977 | 22:08 |
| povbot | Bug 9977: Hardware T&K lock switch must be used twice to unlock device when keyboard open | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's normal behavior afaik | 22:09 |
| chadi | andre__: sorry if i was being offensive | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | since the screen doesn't actually get locked when the keyboard is open | 22:09 |
| andre__ | chadi, no, you weren't :) | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | touch the screen and it would work | 22:09 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | hey johnsq | 22:18 |
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| luke-jr | anyone know how to change ESN on a Samsung phone and if doing so will let me activate the new ESN? | 22:35 |
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| BusterB | What websites u guys using for an accurate speed test from the microB browser? | 22:40 |
| trumee | dont like that flash based speedtest.net | 22:41 |
| BusterB | Im using mobilespeedtest.com, but it seems like speedtest.net gives me slower results | 22:41 |
| BusterB | yeah Im guessing cuz of flash | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean a bandwidth test? | 22:42 |
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| BusterB | Im getting 2-3 mbits from mobile, but only 1 mbit from speedtest | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The app 'speedy' works well for me | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | or wgetting the kernel from kernel.org | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | though speedy does only measure downspeed | 22:44 |
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| style | is there working calendar synchronizing tool for n900? | 22:44 |
| style | erming doesn't work like it should:/ | 22:45 |
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| BusterB | im getting slower results with speedy | 22:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | what internet are you on? | 22:50 |
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| BusterB | tmobile usa | 22:51 |
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| BusterB | I know tethering will prolly bring me the most accurate, but I wanna know what would be good w/o my laptop with me | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG_ | BusterB, speedtest.net works best | 23:01 |
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| BusterB | MohammadAG_: okay cool | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Goodbye palm, I've never owned any of your devices so you won't be missed here XD http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-buys-palm/ | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a palmpilot | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | it was OK. | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | they weren't popular here anyways :) | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Better handwriting recognition than the n900 | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | but I expected apple to buy them | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | I see what you did there | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, isnt the HK n900 version coming with asian HWR? | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | and could that be used as the basis for english variation | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 23:19 |
| lcuk | i hope it will :) | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, yes, it has hwr | 23:19 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a phone with a 30000 key keyboard. | 23:19 | |
| wazd_e63 | heya maemo | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | When you slide the keyboard out, you have to be careful in moderate winds. | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hey wazd_e63 | 23:24 |
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| Jaffa | re | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | doh wondering why my 900 was getting warm when its sat idle | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | until i realised its sat covering the exhaust from my laptop | 23:38 |
| Jaffa | heh | 23:38 |
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| Macer | so. any word on when a portrait desktop will be added? | 23:39 |
| * Macer hdies | 23:39 | |
| Macer | hides too | 23:39 |
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| Jaffa | Macer: Sometime between now and the heat-death of the universe. Maybe. | 23:40 |
| javispedro | I already feel shame for some HP employees | 23:40 |
| javispedro | the countdown to bankruptcy has already started! | 23:41 |
| Ken-Young | All shame went away when they spun off Agilent. | 23:41 |
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| javispedro | curiously enough, they already had 3com. Only missing for them is to buy ACCESS and they can get all of the PalmPilot team remains into one roof again! | 23:43 |
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| Ken-Young | javispedro, THen they could have broken it up, and put it back together, and broken it up... in the true Palm management style. | 23:44 |
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| javispedro | :) | 23:44 |
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| wazd_e63 | Woowoo, spb, here I go :) | 23:49 |
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| wazd_e63 | omg, HP buys Palm | 23:53 |
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| Ken-Young | Maybe we'll finally get the Folio! | 23:53 |
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| wazd_e63 | say it to the geek 10 years ago and he'll commit suicide :) | 23:53 |
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| wazd_e63 | Sony could do it, to ressurect their awesome pda series | 23:55 |
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| wazd_e63 | can't understand all that buzz across webos though | 23:57 |
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| wazd_e63 | Os that can run 20 web pages at once? :) | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | me neither | 23:57 |
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| javispedro | It is my second favorite OS -- were I to be banned from #maemo I would move to WebOS =) | 23:58 |
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| wazd_e63 | Javispedro: what about wince?( | 23:59 |
| javispedro | winwhat? never again :P | 23:59 |
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