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| summel | SpeedEvil: thats why you should help getting quasselclient to run on maemo :) | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | > | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 00:14 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, lol. . . . | 00:15 |
| summel | www.quassel-irc.org :) | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - I'm aware of quassel | 00:16 |
| summel | ^^ | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just somewhat low on my stack of things to do. | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/walls/ - I have to finish off hte house insulation for example | 00:17 |
| summel | :o | 00:17 |
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| zappa | anyone: can i use dbus-send register a keyboard click? Ex: I click an Up arrow in my app (running in a remote xsession) and the foreground x window registers it . Basically making a control for simulators? | 00:22 |
| liori | zappa: i don't think you can do that with dbus-send; it is usually done using xtest extension to the X server | 00:24 |
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| liori | zappa: ...but i don't have anything with maemo, so i might be wrong. | 00:25 |
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| zappa | thx liori | 00:26 |
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| liori | zappa: programs like http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/ can be used from CLI | 00:27 |
| zappa | liori: wow! thanks for that link. i think its just what i need | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | pr1.2 will have qt4 only? | 00:30 |
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| summel | jacekowski: that would be nice :o | 00:33 |
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| lardman | night all | 00:35 |
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| jacekowski | wrong question | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | is there qt3 in pr1.2? | 00:36 |
| summel | no | 00:36 |
| summel | afaik | 00:36 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, when SSU-ing, does the device move the files somewhere, or does it use /var/cache/apt/archives | 00:38 |
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| Chiku | CPUfreqUI is in which repos ? | 00:46 |
| Corsac | hmhm, screen won't wake up >< | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | Corsac, slap it | 00:51 |
| FauxFaux | kill -9 the old sshd. | 00:51 |
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| m77771111 | Hi! How to make n810's camera work as webcam on the device? For example, how to "record from webcam" on youtube using n810's buit-in camera? :) | 00:53 |
| Corsac | FauxFaux: not screen (1), the n900 lcd | 00:53 |
| FauxFaux | Corsac: ...and that didn't even occur to me. | 00:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Corsac: :/ | 00:54 |
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| Corsac | what's weird is that the media player continue playing | 00:55 |
| Corsac | so it's not dead | 00:55 |
| Corsac | well, it wasn't some time ago | 00:55 |
| Corsac | though when I call it, nothing rings :) | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it ping? | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | m77771111: you'd need a flash plugin that supports the camera | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | and there isn't one | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | the camera otoh support v4l | 00:57 |
| m77771111 | timeless_mbp n810 native flash plugin don't support the camera? ) | 00:57 |
| timeless_mbp | so any app that *does* support it would work | 00:58 |
| timeless_mbp | m77771111: right | 00:58 |
| m77771111 | What applications for n810 can allow me to stream a video from n810 by some protocol? ) | 00:58 |
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| Corsac | mplayer? | 00:58 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo.org has an app list | 00:59 |
| timeless_mbp | search it? | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't mafw work? | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | or whatever play the N810 uses | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | XM something | 00:59 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: he wants to upload | 00:59 |
| m77771111 | o... maybe ffmpeg + ffserver will start on n810 (-;;; | 00:59 |
| Jaffa | m77771111: On an N810? Google Talk can stream video *somewhere* ;-) | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | ah, from | 00:59 |
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| Jaffa | m77771111: mplayer/mencoder and/or vlc are probably your best bets | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | so.. Qik was never ported to the N810 | 01:00 |
| m77771111 | Jaffa o, i didn't find "gtalk" in applist in n810's "packet manager" ) | 01:00 |
| m77771111 | Jaffa ok, i see ) | 01:00 |
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| Jaffa | m77771111: It's built-in. | 01:00 |
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| m77771111 | Jaffa o (-; | 01:00 |
| Corsac | it should work if you manage to have a remote client supporting the weird codec the IM client uses | 01:01 |
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| Corsac | hmmh, on fremantle, is the OOM working? | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, that mod would require modifications to gtk and qt and any other toolkit that wants to use it | 01:29 |
| lcuk | but it would be an extremely beneficial ux improvement i think | 01:30 |
| GAN900 | Creepy, MeeGo Blog is now following me. | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | i always thought that was what haptics was meant to be about | 01:31 |
| boh_ | hi ... anyone can help me ? ... i want to get the lastest image for my n810 but: Product ID not valid. Please re-enter the 12-digit code. ... whats the problem ? | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | boh_, on which page and which field are you using to enter | 01:32 |
| lcuk | and where are you reading it from | 01:32 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, its linked to also vibrating whilst a list is panning | 01:32 |
| lcuk | reducing vibration based on remaining speed | 01:33 |
| boh_ | i have used both .. wlan mac (without : ) and bluetooth ... but both want work | 01:33 |
| lcuk | on which page | 01:33 |
| * lcuk reaches for an n810 | 01:33 | |
| boh_ | i have testet with n810 and n810wimax page ... | 01:33 |
| lcuk | which page | 01:33 |
| lcuk | and are you reading from the labels under the battery | 01:33 |
| boh_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 01:34 |
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| boh_ | yes .. i have read from under battery and from produkt info (same) .. | 01:34 |
| lcuk | accepted for my n810 | 01:34 |
| lcuk | WLAN ID check for D's and 0s | 01:35 |
| lcuk | they look similar on my label | 01:35 |
| lcuk | if i mistype it doesnt accept | 01:35 |
| lcuk | ive not tried it with the gui | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, have an N810 to update here, before the site vanishes into oblivion. Still has factory image | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | good night | 01:36 |
| boh_ | thanks ... lol ... B and 8 ... sry for my stupidity | 01:36 |
| lcuk | boh_, :) np | 01:36 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, what site? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php | 01:38 |
| GAN900 | lol | 01:38 |
| GAN900 | Wouldn't worry about that | 01:38 |
| GAN900 | The early 770 images are still up. . . . | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really don't - I mean I got the file somewhere on my PC from N810-A update. Guess I could use the same for N810-B | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | or are those images stamped somehow? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> Ja ffa, that mod would require modifications to gtk and qt and any other toolkit that wants to use it | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | they would be minor though, am I right? | 01:40 |
| lcuk | relatively yeah | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | just add them to buttons | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | I make it sound too easy :P | 01:41 |
| lcuk | but within each toolkit something on active controls would need to occur | 01:41 |
| lcuk | if the something does not occur, no sound | 01:41 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, they're not | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i could put it in liqbase tonight to just make vibro work | 01:41 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, WLAN MAC is mostly for Flash and some other third party stuff | 01:41 |
| * lcuk even sees the line of code | 01:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray 24 years tschernobyl | 01:42 |
| lcuk | (thinkg with mouse or click handlers) | 01:42 |
| lcuk | things | 01:42 |
| lcuk | the kinetic one would be a bit more indepth but again should be simple | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, denied? | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, gotta love it. . . . | 01:43 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: reopened | 01:43 |
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| w00t_ | GAN900: I kind of understand what he's saying after doing research, so I'll make the requested changes | 01:43 |
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| w00t_ | tbh I'm more surprised to get a response at this time of week :P | 01:45 |
| lcuk | w00t_, yeah checking the rendering pathway would make the patch useful | 01:45 |
| lcuk | what kind of memory limits does the cache have | 01:46 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: it uses the Qt application pixmap cache, available to any qt app.. I don't know the default limit, but I'd suspect it's fairly sensible | 01:47 |
| w00t_ | I've never seen widgetsgallery go over around 120 pixmaps in xrestop anyway | 01:47 |
| lcuk | yeah perhaps its tweakable in the compile phase if it gets out of hand | 01:47 |
| lcuk | yeah i have a similar cache | 01:47 |
| w00t_ | it is alterable, yeah | 01:47 |
| lcuk | every image i load via a cache proxy | 01:47 |
| lcuk | and its automatic | 01:47 |
| * w00t_ is a bit amazed at how attentive people are | 01:48 | |
| Aranel | is there any translation (.po) file out for PR1.2? | 01:48 |
| w00t_ | I only wrote about this what, 2 hours ago? | 01:48 |
| w00t_ | :P | 01:48 |
| lcuk | w00t_, :) you have found a neat optimization :) | 01:48 |
| lcuk | hearing lots of nice little things | 01:49 |
| lcuk | they should start to add up soon | 01:49 |
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| lcuk | did you read about n00bmonk3ys python investigation? | 01:49 |
| lcuk | he removed blank lines and comments from his native python and saved 20% of startup time :) pure test only but shows the effect well | 01:50 |
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| Klowner | it's weird how much more responsive my N900 is after reflashing it | 01:51 |
| lcuk | like any system | 01:52 |
| Klowner | even after installing all the same stuff | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Klowner: I'll hug you for not saying "after switching to OC-kernel" :-D | 01:53 |
| Klowner | like transition animations aren't all choptacular | 01:53 |
| Klowner | DocScrutinizer: heheh not OC kernel :) | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (removing blank and comment) WTF? I always thought python is a JIT-compiling interpreter that uses .pyc or whatever it's called, and only checks if the python source is newer than the intermediate code | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I supose there's no comments and/or plank lines in .pyc | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | blank lines* | 02:08 |
| * GAN900 is now slightly less in debt to Jaffa. | 02:11 | |
| w00t_ | GAN900: does he just own your soul now and not your undying devotion? | 02:11 |
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| GeneralAntilles | w00t_, well, probably both of those still, but I've started paying on the interest now! ;) | 02:12 |
| * w00t_ grins | 02:12 | |
| w00t_ | I apparantly owe Stskeeps a bottle of vodka | 02:13 |
| w00t_ | I think that's my only debt at present | 02:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | The good thing about owing somebody large sums of alcohol: they probably wont be able to drink it alone. | 02:14 |
| w00t_ | true, but he's trying to lure me to a music festival in denmark to drink it | 02:14 |
| w00t_ | not so hot | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | real 14m29.851s | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | user 25m35.184s | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | sys 10m27.475s | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | 14m on my server vs 19 minutes on builder | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user# ls -l /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.* | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1576 Jan 28 21:20 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.py | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2089 Apr 23 20:03 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.pyc | 02:15 |
| * w00t_ wonders a bit at Qt's choice of paths at times: /src/corelib/tools/qlist.h - why the *hell* is qlist.h in /tools/ and not somewhere a bit more predictable, like /kernel/ or /global/ | 02:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2089 Apr 23 20:03 /usr/share/python-support/private/pysupport.pyo | 02:15 |
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| jacekowski | anyways | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | good night | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could somebody enlighten me how blank lines and/or comments in a python script could slow down anything but very first invocation which creates .pyc/.pyo, please | 02:18 |
| w00t_ | DocScrutinizer: ? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | w00t_: [2010-04-26 00:50:36] <lcuk> he removed blank lines and comments from his native python and saved 20% of startup time :) pure test only but shows the effect well | 02:19 |
| w00t_ | strange, I'd wonder how it was measured (and across how many times) | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet me does as well | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also I'm quite scared (looking at example above) about a 1576byte python source creating TWO 2089byte intermediate code files (no those aren't sym- or hard-linked and yes they are *larger* than the original source) :-S | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any python crack in here to shed some light on this? | 02:26 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because this files include lot of information from imported files | 02:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and some typing predictions and lot of stuff that makes it faster when you run it | 02:44 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and pyo and pyc contains same thing except pyo is optimized | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thanks mate | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest we should discard .pyc then. And make sure all python packages come with .pyo generated, otherwise we get delayed filesystem cram eventually | 02:59 |
| raster | boo | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | waaah | 03:00 |
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| andres | The level of optimization in a pyo is barely existing. It strips comments. | 03:03 |
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| ShadowJK | first invocation creates pyc? does user have write perms? :) | 03:05 |
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| Psi | heh | 03:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | That should so work. | 03:10 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: https://launchpad.net/yandere - is that yours? | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | yes, why? | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | well, define 'yours'... | 03:12 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski? | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | i've been asked by somebody | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | do you know anything about irc bot for that game? | 03:18 |
| jacekowski | database schema and etc. | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | no database required for the Supybot backend which I use | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | for the Pharo backend, contact Nanobot/Bananobot | 03:19 |
| luke-jr | for the Rubybot backend, contact Sir_Burpsalot/Shloosh | 03:19 |
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| luke-jr | anyhow, small world? how do you know ved? :P | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bananobot | 03:22 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: he told me that he already spoken with you about it | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: different channel different network | 03:24 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# lsof |grep bme | 03:30 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pulseaudi 774 pulse mem REG 254,1 9716 5874 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | oi.O | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA talking IPC to BME? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | why?? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | FFS that's scary | 03:36 |
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| * MohammadAG suddenly says Boo! | 03:38 | |
| ShadowJK | i guess that explains why I saw bme talking over so many fd's | 03:39 |
| * ShadowJK never checked who it was talking to | 03:39 | |
| njsf_ | Been away for a while (month). any signs of PR 1.2 ? | 03:42 |
| njsf_ | except the SDK of course... | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | well a month ago nokia brazil was going to release n900 in brazil with 1.2 | 03:43 |
| ShadowJK | last week nokia hk also said n900 will have 1.2 + hwr for hk | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 03:44 |
| njsf_ | and has any of that came to fruition? | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | whr? | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ho | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ph | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | njsf_, they never give timetables ;) | 03:45 |
| njsf_ | Is it my impression of the bugs fixed listed on the page has grown? | 03:46 |
| njsf_ | for 1.2 I mean | 03:47 |
| haltdef_ | hrm, any useful video converters for the n900? got some 576p x264 encodes that it won't play | 03:47 |
| lcuk | njsf_, which page | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HK release is scheduled for Thu 29. | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which is so short into the future, I'd expect it won't get postponed for mare than, say 2 weeks ? ;-P | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | more'* | 03:50 |
| njsf_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | You can always do fake releases | 03:51 |
| ShadowJK | show device, then never ship it to any stores ;p | 03:51 |
| GAN900 | lol | 03:52 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, well, the press release said it would be available same day | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | available for order i bet | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the report though tells Nokia claims sales start same day on all local shops (OWTTE) | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | ah well | 03:54 |
| ShadowJK | I guess this is where the serious fragmentation of maemo starts :) | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not even be surprised to see PR1.2 hit the repos 1 or 2 days prior to that | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | lol | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 8 weeks later | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | Hrm | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | Mondays | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | are usually update days | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | Perhaps Tuesday this week | 03:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer glances lower right of his screen, the date... | 03:56 | |
| ShadowJK | last time it was 10am local i think | 03:57 |
| njsf_ | I just hope it needs a saner amount of space in rootfs or that it adequately handles the case when apt-cache is on the /home fs | 03:57 |
| njsf_ | (ubuntu does not, and on my netbook I can use it to do a dist-upgrade because of it) | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> or 8 weeks later ROFL | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | mondays, isn't that today? | 03:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer points to PR1.1.1-EN | 03:59 | |
| * MohammadAG shows a ??? face | 03:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GB-version | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | oh I just noticed something in PR1.2 | 03:59 |
| MohammadAG | Update all is now a button in app manager | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | delayed until it stsrted bitrotting | 04:00 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to call the Virtual keyboard from terminal? | 04:01 |
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| MohammadAG | microb supports right clicks o.O | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhnhaa | 04:03 |
| MohammadAG | why do I keep talking about PR1.2 changes | 04:04 |
| MohammadAG | http://i39.tinypic.com/2lmw19h.jpg | 04:05 |
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| njsf_ | another sore point for me is ovi suite. hope it starts syncing with 1.2 | 04:08 |
| MohammadAG | doubt it | 04:10 |
| njsf_ | that sucks | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | I don't really see a point in syncing | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | I backup /home | 04:13 |
| MohammadAG | /home/user actually | 04:13 |
| njsf_ | I need it because I don't have MfE over the air | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | and I want my Exchange calendar | 04:14 |
| MohammadAG | mainly because flashing with PR1.2 clears /home/user (bug fixed) | 04:14 |
| ShadowJK | what bug... | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | and no, I can't change that, because my employer uses exchange and that is not negotiable :( | 04:14 |
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| microlith | njsf_: specifically, they require a provisionable device, right? | 04:15 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 | 04:15 |
| povbot | Bug 7432: /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 04:15 |
| ShadowJK | /opt is probably a bug | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | lol true | 04:16 |
| njsf_ | microlith: no more specifically I don't want to be bothered all the time with email, just to get the calendar sync before I go home and be able to review it at home to plan my day | 04:16 |
| ShadowJK | but not clearing /home/user is nice | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | agreed | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | I have my xchat logs there! | 04:16 |
| microlith | njsf_: ahh | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | clear /home/user at flashing rootfs??? W!T!F!!! | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | glad I brought that up then | 04:17 |
| dima202 | sweet pr 1.2 is coming out this week | 04:17 |
| ShadowJK | let's chase down and burn whoever filed that bug | 04:17 |
| microlith | dima202: no confirmation on that | 04:18 |
| ShadowJK | dima202: [citation needed] | 04:18 |
| dima202 | Well China is getting 1.2 N900s and I would assume so does the rest of the world? | 04:18 |
| MohammadAG | EXCEPT the UK (poor fellows) | 04:19 |
| ShadowJK | Assume nothing. | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | that too | 04:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer is going to clean and oil the M134 | 04:19 | |
| dima202 | lol, I can't believe they had to take off the fm transmitter for chinese market :( | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's a gun right? :P | 04:19 |
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| MohammadAG | dima202, well qwerty12 basically disabled their software disabled thingy | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | (he's awesome xD) | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the right tool to fix "PR1.2-nuked-my-home" bug | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | some users are soooo gonna get pissed | 04:20 |
| * MohammadAG is one | 04:20 | |
| * njsf_ is another | 04:21 | |
| ShadowJK | I'd hoped they would have delayed nuke-$HOME until the backup utility was fixed. | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | and had been fixed for one firmware release before nuke home, I mean | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, they could've just changed flasher-3.5 | 04:22 |
| MohammadAG | add a --nuke-home parameter | 04:22 |
| njsf_ | they could _at the very least_ move /home/user to /home/user.bak | 04:23 |
| njsf_ | so that you could restore somewhat | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | that's kind of impossible | 04:23 |
| njsf_ | or at least not loose the data | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | especially if it's like my N900 | 04:23 |
| MohammadAG | /home has 35MBs free | 04:23 |
| njsf_ | so... it is enough for a move + an empty /home/user :) | 04:24 |
| njsf_ | it the objective is to clear... | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | no | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | because there's a run once optification script | 04:24 |
| MohammadAG | as you can see from the bug | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun | 04:24 |
| njsf_ | MohammadAG: that would still be ok wrt to the optified stuff | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4000RPM | 04:25 |
| njsf_ | but anyway, it is not worth to discuss since it is not happening | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin | 04:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer digs the arms chamber... "There *has* to be a couple of those...Somewhere..." | 04:27 | |
| MohammadAG | XD | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_22 my favorite | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | helped me so much in Afghanistan | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | in Modern Warfare 2 of course :P | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not impressive to adjust Nokia's attitude if they dare to 'clear /home/user' | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | you do realize they might only clear /opt | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | and the bug was mistyped | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, check our the script | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Bug 7432 | 04:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2499 | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I seen that one a few days ago, I preferred to forget it before it creeps into my nightmares | 04:32 |
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| MohammadAG | anyways | 04:33 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm off | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | Night everyone | 04:33 |
| * MohammadAG hopes to see a flashing ! tomorrow | 04:33 | |
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| dima202 | night MohammadAG | 04:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moooooment again | 04:34 |
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| njsf_ | I hope so too | 04:34 |
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| njsf_ | has anybody else have had the issue of the themes not restoring after a reboot? | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, great. Either I got that wrong on first glance, or that script will copy the symlinks in /opt over the linked real files in /home/opt :-( | 04:36 |
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| * ShadowJK suspects a bind mount | 04:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the bindmount will "bail out uncond" | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise cp -a /opt/* /home/opt/ | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | will result in a bunch of symlinks pointing at themselves | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 04:41 |
| njsf_ | DocScrutinizer: in my case /opt is a symlink so in that case the script will do nothing | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | for all pkgs already optified | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | /opt will be a real directory on the rootfs | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | probably with nokia software destined to love on emmc | 04:42 |
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| * ShadowJK further speculates that after rootfs /opt has been copied to /home/opt, n900 will boot up with /opt beind a bindmount of /home/opt | 04:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing, /opt -> /home/opt | 04:43 |
| njsf_ | I like software destined to love | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I haven't even noticed | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind then | 04:43 |
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| ShadowJK | imagine how complex the ssu for 1.2 must be :P | 04:43 |
| njsf_ | but since the first step is to remove /home/opt we will end up with zilch :D | 04:44 |
| njsf_ | and if after flash /opt is a real dir, then only that contents will be in /home/opt | 04:44 |
| dima202 | why /home? | 04:44 |
| dima202 | mv, | 04:45 |
| dima202 | nvm | 04:45 |
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| lcuk2 | yes ShadowJK | 04:46 |
| lcuk2 | imagine | 04:46 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 04:46 |
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| Mace_N900 | trying to find a good game for the N900 | 04:47 |
| * andres still doesnt understand why the partitioning was done like in 1.0 anyway. Its not like the problem wasnt visible. | 04:49 | |
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| Mace_N900 | huh? | 04:51 |
| dima202 | Mace_N900: What kind of game? | 04:52 |
| Mace_N900 | any good one haha | 04:52 |
| Mace_N900 | i figure an n900 can outdo a ningtendo ds | 04:53 |
| Klowner | angry birds was fun | 04:53 |
| dima202 | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/games/ | 04:53 |
| dima202 | Should keep you busy for a while ;) | 04:53 |
| * lcuk plays chess | 04:53 | |
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| * lcuk wishes he could play some swanky acceromter controlled snake | 04:54 | |
| lcuk | accelerometer | 04:54 |
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| Mace_N900 | how is ur qwan? | 04:54 |
| Mace_N900 | 3DO? | 04:55 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 04:55 |
| Mace_N900 | er.. ur quan | 04:55 |
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| lcuk | try em - people like different things | 04:56 |
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| Mace_N900 | i wish someone would port a c&c type of game | 05:02 |
| Mace_N900 | or a warcraft/starcraft kind of game | 05:02 |
| Mace_N900 | that would be awesome.. especially if the could run with net support | 05:03 |
| lcuk | you can get Diablo for your n8x0 :D | 05:03 |
| Mace_N900 | i hated diablo | 05:03 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 05:03 |
| Mace_N900 | it didnt appeal to me.. i want a rts | 05:04 |
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| lcuk | ask pupnik when hes next around | 05:04 |
| Klowner | you could run Dune 2 on UAE or something :) | 05:04 |
| lcuk | he has his ear to the ground about the best games | 05:04 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 05:05 |
| Mace_N900 | well.. i remember there being an ok rts for the n810 | 05:05 |
| Mace_N900 | i mean it wasnt spectacular.. but pretty good for what it wasx working with | 05:06 |
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| Mace_N900 | catorize is nice | 05:07 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 05:07 |
| ShadowJK | it'd been easier to setup /opt/ to work with as --prefix :/ | 05:07 |
| Mace_N900 | so all this stuff isnt lumped together | 05:07 |
| ShadowJK | and more funcitonal | 05:07 |
| Mace_N900 | battery gfraph is qt based | 05:08 |
| Mace_N900 | graph | 05:08 |
| Mace_N900 | neat | 05:08 |
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| opdf2 | anyone know a newbie c# compiling site or irc chat? | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | catorize basically is crap | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | as user can't easily sort as he likes. | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, one calculator under 'office', the other one under 'science', or similar nonsense | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | rearrangeable icons is the right way to go (hail PR1.2). I only wish they hadn't nuked the more... subfolder, rather make it renameable and have arbitrary number of them | 05:27 |
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| ShadowJK | -6C... | 05:32 |
| ShadowJK | finland :-( | 05:32 |
| faelcavalcanti | hi everybody, I am now just studying how memory management mechanism of maemo, where can I find information? | 05:34 |
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| faelcavalcanti | anyone ? | 05:43 |
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| faelcavalcanti | well, unfortunately I have to go, if anyone can answer in the list of users, many thanks! bye | 05:53 |
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| crashanddie | WAKE THE FUCK UP EVERYONE | 06:30 |
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| Ken-Young | Let me sleep for 5 more minutes. | 06:30 |
| Termana | I love how people on tmo are complete idiots and they expect people to believe their argument. I should go thank all these posts to stir some shit up. People will wonder why the hell I thanked the post when it was just a piece of crap. | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, ssssh | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | We're sleeping | 06:34 |
| crashanddie | Termana: link? | 06:35 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: no | 06:35 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: you | 06:35 |
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| Termana | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626996&postcount=42 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=627014&postcount=46 and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=627027&postcount=49 I mean its not even about the content. He can't even paragraph his statements - which makes it hard to read. | 06:36 |
| * crashanddie starts crying when he sees the last link | 06:37 | |
| Termana | You'll have to excuse me for not taking someone seriously for not even trying to make their posts readable | 06:37 |
| crashanddie | looks like his own mind isn't streamlined enough to make sense out of it himself | 06:38 |
| Ken-Young | I'm surprised it's not all caps. | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | Termana: don't hate the lower end of the spectrum. Remember, we need to be Open, enjoy Everyone, welcome Everything. | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | Who the fuck ever came up with such a stupid idea, eh? | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: seriously, where the hell does this belief come from that "democracy" == "openness" == "everyone is allowed to speak up" | 06:40 |
| crashanddie | Have we not yet learnt, over the years, that "everyone talking at the same time" == "nobody gets heard"? That's why we vote for people, so that you can elect someone who has the same opinion as you to cary your voice across. | 06:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm sick of this shit, Open Source is a fad. | 06:42 |
| crashanddie | Sorry, scrap that. Open Source can work, but only when developers are the ones who are Open. The rest, the community, the general public needs to shut the fuck up and just decide who should represent them. | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | </rant> | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | anywa, off for lunch, later | 06:46 |
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| asj | crashanddie: off your meds? ;) | 06:47 |
| Ken-Young | Here's something I find even more depressing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tRWpFqRqU | 06:49 |
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| Termana | asj: When is he even ON them is the question. :P lol | 06:52 |
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| crashanddie | asj & Termana: shush | 07:03 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, are you telling me to be loud and obnoxious? :P | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: if it keeps the rest of the farm quiet, yes | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | Maemo is haemorrhaging and going through good contributors faster than a gang-bang-rape victim. It's like it has become a game of who-can-we-disappoint-fastest, or who-will-be-the-first-to-flee. This isn't a project anymore, it's a farce. | 07:10 |
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| Ken-Young | Which contributors have left recently? | 07:11 |
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| GAN900 | Lots | 07:25 |
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| Ken-Young | What is it that has upset them? Maemo being dropped for Meego? | 07:28 |
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| Ken-Young | Build problems related to pr1.2 ? | 07:28 |
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| Termana | When you can't actually name someone - drops something generic like "lots" :P lol | 07:35 |
| Termana | drop* | 07:35 |
| Termana | How many women have you had? | 07:36 |
| Termana | Lots | 07:36 |
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| GAN900 | Kegetys, lots. | 07:54 |
| GAN900 | Termana, AndrewFBlack | 07:54 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, to a certain extent | 07:54 |
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| GAN900 | others | 07:55 |
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| Ken-Young | GAN900, Is there a common thread to why they are leaving? | 07:55 |
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| luke-jr | Ken-Young: betrayal? | 07:57 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, How were they betrayed? What specifically happened? | 07:57 |
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| luke-jr | Ken-Young: MeeGo | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | capacitive ts | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | in my case, Nokia's unwillingness to allow a free software OS | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: were you ever part of maemo? :P | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | -.- | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | N810 is automatically part of the community IMO even if not Maemo specifically | 08:00 |
| * Stskeeps pretty much only remembers gentoo stuff | 08:00 | |
| luke-jr | if it were Maemo-specific, then *everyone* must leave by force ;P | 08:00 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, I can understand being unhappy about Meego. I share that feeling. I think capacitive is inevitable, because eventually everyone will expect multitouch. I doubt we will ever see a pure open source phone by a major company. | 08:00 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: resistive multitouch exists | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: who needs a major company? | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, people to pay for production | 08:01 |
| * slonopotamus missed something? | 08:01 | |
| Stskeeps | pandora doesn't seem to work well | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:01 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, Openmoko showed what happens when you hitch up with a small company. | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the financial aspect seems to | 08:01 |
| Mace_N900 | pandora? | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: apparently us Gentooers are cut off from the community | 08:02 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: the onyl problem with OpenMoko is that it's 2 generations old by now and doesn't fit my specs | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | otherwise, I'd buy one | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: uh? | 08:02 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, It's also dead. | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: meh, i take my statement back - need coffee (re not part of community) | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: not really | 08:02 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, Yes, really. | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: they're apparently still selling; every few months I hear about the software making new leaps | 08:03 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, THey're selling off their old stock. THey'll never make another phone. | 08:03 |
| GAN900 | Termana, variety of reasons | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | then someone else might | 08:04 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: link? | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | besides, I dont' need a phone | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | that's why OpenMoko failed for me :p | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: ? | 08:04 |
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| Mace_N900 | n900 is awesome.. get one luke | 08:04 |
| GAN900 | Termana, the core generally being the rug-pulled-out-from-under-you feeling of MeeGo and the whole it's-open-but-wait-it's-not! thing. | 08:04 |
| Mace_N900 | well worth it | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | Mace_N900: when I can run a free OS maybe | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: then why don't you own a freerunner? | 08:05 |
| Mace_N900 | no such thing | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: even with the modem:P | 08:05 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 08:05 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: the same reason I don't own a Zaurus 5600 | 08:05 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: if I needed a phone, and was aware when Freerunner was released, I probably would | 08:06 |
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| luke-jr | but I don't need a phone, and I didn't hear about Freerunner until it was obsolete | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | so | 08:06 |
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| Ken-Young | In my opinion, we'll be *very* lucky if there is a phone as open as the N900 for sale in 10 years. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | freerunner's probably the primary reason don't believe in open hardware, after five minutes with it, you wonder who designed the thing, software, etc and wanting to throw it out of the window :P | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | +i | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: tried it recently? I hear it works fine now | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | i did | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | gave it to a relatively new user as well, who did know his way around open source | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | same reaction | 08:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | frankly, 'mostly open', good enough for me | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | oh well | 08:09 |
| * Stskeeps goes make coffee | 08:09 | |
| luke-jr | open license is good enough ;) | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | can't argue that can affect output | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | I think Ken-Young's "small company" point is more valid | 08:09 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find daperl's post which sums up the situation quite a bit | 08:11 | |
| opdf2 | im transfer a couple gigs USB mode. Will doing CPU intensive tasks on the n900 slow the transfer? | 08:11 |
| Ken-Young | Openmoko had a *chance* at success, when the phone first came out (the neo 1973, not the Freerunner), because it was competing against things like the Treo. The bar has been raised tremendously since then. | 08:12 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=588394&postcount=6 | 08:12 |
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| asj | opdf2: no | 08:17 |
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| opdf2 | asj: Â i see ty | 08:18 |
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| crashanddie | Termana: I'm sick of the community, to be honest | 08:23 |
| crashanddie | Termana: http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2010/01/being-native-doesnt-give-you-any-rights.html | 08:24 |
| asj | opdf2: no/ | 08:25 |
| asj | oops | 08:25 |
| asj | crashanddie: did you write that drivel? | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | aye | 08:26 |
| asj | you don't know very much eh? | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | asj: this was written a few months ago | 08:26 |
| asj | so you know more now? :) | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | pretty much | 08:26 |
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| crashanddie | You're going to nitpick on PalmOS using javascript/html for apps? | 08:27 |
| asj | nope | 08:27 |
| asj | WRT | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | WRT? | 08:27 |
| asj | you have google> | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | the router firmware? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | web runtime | 08:27 |
| tekojo | Morning all! | 08:27 |
| frals | morning everyone o/ | 08:28 |
| asj | is a prime example I think | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | asj: link? | 08:28 |
| asj | crashanddie: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/ | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | please stop trolling | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | either you want to inform me, and you provide source, or you shut the fuck up | 08:28 |
| asj | I'm too busy to hold your hand | 08:29 |
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| crashanddie | wanker | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | uhm, another example of someone disagreeing with you and you getting rid of them without warning? :P | 08:30 |
| tekojo | crashanddie haven't slept well? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | okay, a bit of warning | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:30 |
| auenf | 5 second warning? | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | don't tell me i'm a misinformed idiot without giving proper links | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | I'll gladly accept being wrong, but don't ask me to run circles | 08:31 |
| auenf | err, why are you using american formatted dates anyway? | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | ask someone else to remove the ban, I can't be bothered | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | auenf: never found how to change it in blogger | 08:32 |
| Surfa | ... | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | WRT is fairly common knowledge it's web runtime when you are talking about maemo though | 08:32 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, later | 08:33 |
| auenf | that would be the first trigger to dumping blogspot for me ;) | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | auenf: a date? Well, it works for everything else | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | and I don't need another account on another website | 08:33 |
| auenf | they dont deserve international users if they dont allow international preferences | 08:34 |
| auenf | and obviously you didnt look for the solution for too long, it took me 5 seconds to find it | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | auenf: I think it's my skin actually, because the settings are configured to the UK date IIRC | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: my point still stands though, I never said that javascript was impossible on Maemo, I just said there isn't any platform that forces you to use javascript exclusively; no vendor is that stupid | 08:38 |
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| crashanddie | so asj's trolling was way out of line, as he didn't even understand what I was on about | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Is it bad that I've profiled so many nicks on Talk to not read their posts? :( | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, psh, don't pretend your or I have never pulled similar shit. :P | 08:38 |
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| crashanddie | eh? | 08:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, pick your battles, that one so wasn't worth the energy. | 08:39 |
| crashanddie | yeah well | 08:39 |
| crashanddie | i'm bored | 08:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go play Altitude, then. | 08:39 |
| crashanddie | anyway, later | 08:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ops isn't a good game | 08:39 |
| * Stskeeps nods | 08:40 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh, the Ari Keynote thread is on copyright on page 4. | 08:41 |
| mece | GeneralAntilles, where? where? | 08:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50924 | 08:42 |
| * GeneralAntilles sees mwkn is up. | 08:44 | |
| mece | fuckety crap! My usb port hath busted become! | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | So everybody ready it and become a contributor! http://mwkn.net | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | mece, retail unit? | 08:44 |
| mece | yep | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, fixed in production my ass. | 08:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, at least Nokia Care is aware of the issue. | 08:45 |
| mece | should I call them or? | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, call them. | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | They should offer no resistance | 08:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | If they do, ask for a supervisor. | 08:45 |
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| mece | Hmm I think I'll ask a local place first. They do nokia warranty repairs. | 08:49 |
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| opdf2 | wow worldtv is pretty cool | 09:00 |
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| mece | opdf2, what does it do? | 09:02 |
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| opdf2 | watch tv, podcasts, etc, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42848 | 09:05 |
| opdf2 | the video is surprizingly good | 09:06 |
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| mece | wow.. got to check it out. | 09:07 |
| pb_jelly | i love how kmplayer stays on the TV out while multitasking. | 09:08 |
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| yigal | Is the touch pro II the largest resistive screen at 3.6" with phone capabilities, smaller than 7"? | 09:14 |
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| yigal | Should I ask in talk? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | if you add bacon in the topic somewhere, i think it qualifies here | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
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| yigal | I've started on a largely vegan diet adding bacon isn't so appealing | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | tofu bacon, then | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:18 |
| yigal | How's this? Is the touch pro II the largest resistive screen at 3.6" with phone capabilities, smaller than 7" without bacon? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | i actually wonder if that chinese tablet cloner is bigger | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.pocketables.net/2010/01/aigo-launches-feature-packed-n500-maemo-mid.html | 09:19 |
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| adeus | wow that's a handful | 09:20 |
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| yigal | St | 09:20 |
| yigal | Oops using poor irc client | 09:20 |
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| yigal | But does that have cell phone cababilities? | 09:21 |
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| yigal | 128mb of ram well that's just not impressive | 09:23 |
| opdf2 | yigal: Â its older, but Toshiba TG01 | 09:23 |
| Corsac | yigal: it seems so | 09:23 |
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| yigal | Interesting, it's just that the touch pro II has ubuntu and android running on it and of course winmo so it might have almost as much potential with maemo | 09:25 |
| yigal | Of course 4.3" is the right size while 3.6" is only a little better than 3.5" by .1" | 09:26 |
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| yigal | The sharp netwalker is pretty cool though not released and only 6 hour battery life | 09:29 |
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| yigal | Fare enough | 09:31 |
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| MacDrunk | hello | 09:35 |
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| yigal | Hello | 09:36 |
| MacDrunk | hmm hey any ideas if the new nokia n900 would be at 3gs 850mhz | 09:36 |
| MacDrunk | i live out site the us | 09:37 |
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| yigal | Later | 09:57 |
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| auenf | lol, 'new' nokia n900 | 10:03 |
| mece | wow so went to a local nokia care outpost, which was a tiny company that makes nok repairs. | 10:03 |
| asj | mece: where are you? | 10:03 |
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| pupnik | congrats | 10:04 |
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| mece | me: do you fix these? Clerk: yeah. me: usb's busted. Clerk: ok. What's your phonenumber. me: so you'll fix it? clerk: yeah. me: on warranty? clerk: yeah. Me: can I borrow a phone? clerak, yeah. Gives me a phone. | 10:04 |
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| Stskeeps | not bad | 10:05 |
| mece | asj, turku | 10:05 |
| mece | he said I'll have it this afternoon or tomorrow morning. | 10:05 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:05 |
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| asj | mece: you mean they're actually fixing it? | 10:05 |
| mece | asj, yep. | 10:05 |
| asj | mece: I think this is the only positive story I've heard about a Nokia Care point | 10:06 |
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| mece | asj, as long as there are no more complicated stuff that requires them to send it somewhere, but the usb part they fix on spot, he said. | 10:06 |
| pupnik | people usually dont complain about good service | 10:06 |
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| mece | pupnik, true. | 10:06 |
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| mece | asj, he didnät even look at it, so I believe they have instructions to just fix usb ports on warranty. | 10:07 |
| asj | pupnik: sure, even getting to our local "nokia care" point would get complaints | 10:07 |
| mece | well, shouldn't cheer yet, since I don't have my phone back, but I'm pretty hopeful. | 10:08 |
| asj | heh | 10:08 |
| asj | usb is a week point eh? I haven't been following the problems list | 10:08 |
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| mece | asj, so it appears. Mine didn't come out. just stopped working. I got it charged last night by putting a weight on the charger plug so it pressed down.. | 10:10 |
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| asj | mece: 2nd usb failure I've heard in a week, I'll tell the guy he won't feel as bad | 10:11 |
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| mece | asj, yeah. I believe if he is denied a warranty claim, he should contact someone else. It's clearly a warranty worthy problem. | 10:13 |
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| asj | mece: <grin> we'll see what happens to it | 10:13 |
| mece | asj, in which country is he? | 10:14 |
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| asj | mece: AU | 10:14 |
| auenf | n900 isnt officially on sale in AU yet ;) | 10:14 |
| mece | asj, hm.. well could be more difficult there though. yeah! | 10:14 |
| auenf | nokia au wont touch it period | 10:14 |
| asj | auenf: aiy :) | 10:14 |
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| auenf | well, not for another couple of weeks | 10:14 |
| asj | is optus supposed to get it then? | 10:15 |
| mece | auenf, is it coming to oz in a couple of weeks? | 10:15 |
| auenf | and then, they'll probably see it wasnt sold in au originally | 10:15 |
| auenf | it'll be out in oz when PR1.2 is out | 10:15 |
| mece | ok. that's cool. | 10:15 |
| auenf | roughly | 10:15 |
| auenf | oz stock pretty much requires PR1.2 | 10:15 |
| asj | auenf: ah, maybe 1.2 will AU to the list of regions ;) | 10:15 |
| auenf | au and nz | 10:16 |
| auenf | it is listed as one of the bug fixes | 10:16 |
| mece | i told the guy not to touch my software. And he was careful to write it down. | 10:16 |
| asj | hehe, I loved the rucous that caused when it first came out "Austria...wtf is Australia???" | 10:16 |
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| auenf | the bug WAS wontfix for fremantle, fixed in harmattan | 10:17 |
| auenf | but its now fixed in PR1.2 ;) | 10:17 |
| asj | I wonder why they are bringing it to au | 10:17 |
| auenf | if you search bmo for australia, you'll find it | 10:17 |
| Surfa | is there a way to start ssh connection so that x-term becomes visible with a desktop widget or shortcut? | 10:18 |
| asj | I know it sounds like an odd question, but the n900 is almost a research/experimental phone | 10:18 |
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| Surfa | what i mean is i wouldn't like to type "ssh blabla.com -l username" every time :) | 10:18 |
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| mece | Surfa, yes, if you have RSA key autentification | 10:18 |
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| auenf | if you dont bring the 'development' device to country n, then there will be pretty much 0 local applications for that country when the platform is properly launched | 10:19 |
| mece | or well you could also do it so that you have to type in a password. | 10:19 |
| asj | auenf: ah good point | 10:19 |
| Surfa | mece, any other way? | 10:19 |
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| Surfa | i'd like just to get xterm launched and one command executed :) | 10:20 |
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| Surfa | then i can give password by typing it | 10:20 |
| mece | Surfa, here: http://www.themaemo.com/howto-launch-a-terminal-app-from-a-shortcut-part-2/ | 10:20 |
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| mece | Surfa, yes you can do that. | 10:20 |
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| adeus | I also have aliases | 10:20 |
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| mece | Surfa, you might have to make an alias for the whole command though. Haven't really tried it. | 10:21 |
| Surfa | aliases isn't a problem, just to get a shortcut to get it executed.. but let me check that url | 10:22 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:22 |
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| Surfa | i somehow thought that someone would have created a widget that would do that directly :) | 10:23 |
| Surfa | but what i found was one that simply shows output of a cmd what isn't actually what I'm looking for | 10:24 |
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| MacDrunk | hey | 10:41 |
| MacDrunk | any nokia n9500 user here | 10:41 |
| RST38h | You'll basically be allowed to browse and read the full versions of books while inside a Barnes and Noble outlet. | 10:41 |
| RST38h | Hmmmm | 10:41 |
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| MacDrunk | need to know if nokia would realese a 850mhz 3g version | 10:41 |
| RST38h | no. | 10:41 |
| MacDrunk | ok | 10:42 |
| asj | would be nice to get a 850mhz n900 version | 10:42 |
| asj | oh well | 10:42 |
| MacDrunk | yuo | 10:42 |
| asj | MacDrunk: who's network do you want to run it on? | 10:42 |
| auenf | AT&T or Telstra i assume ;) | 10:44 |
| auenf | i know when telstra say they are getting the n900 | 10:44 |
| sheepbat | Telstra | 10:44 |
| sheepbat | ...they are? | 10:44 |
| auenf | but i dont believe they will get the n900 then, probably the sucessor | 10:44 |
| asj | auenf: Telecom NZ (or what ever it is) is 850 too | 10:46 |
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| auenf | telecom nz have 2100/850 | 10:47 |
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| auenf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XT_Mobile_Network | 10:48 |
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| MacDrunk | asj | 10:53 |
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| MacDrunk | on telcel mexico | 10:54 |
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| asj | MacDrunk: ah ok | 10:56 |
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| asj | auenf: ah ok I wouldnt expect 2100 to cover very much, kinda like telstra 2100 coverage | 10:58 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:08 |
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| MacDrunk | i think we would have 1900 and 1700 mhz spectrum for 3g on the end of this year or the middle of the 2011 | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: re transitional development - how on earth is nokia going to solve them calling maemo6 meego then? :P | 11:13 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Missing context? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | As I understand it, to call yourself MeeGo, you have to have all the | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | core components of the platform & applications as defined by the MeeGo | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | project, and must use them all. RPM is part of the core platform definition. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | they intend on branding maemo6 meego, which is deb based | 11:14 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Seems simple to me - "needs to pass compliance tests" is the bar | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:14 |
| dneary | So perhaps they'll ship RPM on there & argue that fulfills the requirement | 11:14 |
| dneary | Or perhaps they will define an "interim phase" compliance test which will apply only to Nokia | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:14 |
| dneary | Or perhaps the Linux Foundation will have a trademark usage agreement with Nokia to allow them a short-term exception | 11:15 |
| RST38h | They will replace the second "e" in Meego with a cyrillic "e" and claim that it is a different brand name | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: clever, you could work in marketing | 11:15 |
| zash | Méègô | 11:15 |
| derf | Is that like Sméagol? | 11:16 |
| zash | haha, smeegol | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | m€€go, obviously, the european variant | 11:17 |
| FIQ | m££go | 11:18 |
| FIQ | the british one | 11:18 |
| pupnik | oh man derf.... | 11:21 |
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| jrocha | hi folks | 11:23 |
| jrocha | how can I apply to have a mailing list for SeriesFinale? | 11:23 |
| jrocha | couldn't find any mention on maemo.org | 11:23 |
| d14 | o/ | 11:23 |
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| X-Fade | jrocha: In the admin section for your project. | 11:25 |
| hrw | jrocha: or create one in google groups? | 11:25 |
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| jrocha | X-Fade, I'll check it out, thanks | 11:31 |
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| jrocha | X-Fade, by admin section, you mean the app page in Maemo.org? (I'm not using garage) | 11:32 |
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| X-Fade | jrocha: No, is only possible in garage project. | 11:33 |
| jrocha | oh.. | 11:33 |
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| jrocha | X-Fade, I gotta take two Aspirin before entering garage | 11:34 |
| jrocha | X-Fade, it hurts my brain | 11:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: btw, where did you get your querty mat? | 11:40 |
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| ccooke | Morning, all | 11:47 |
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| mece | anyone here who has time to try an fheroes2 thing? | 11:49 |
| mece | I can't test it without my phone, see. | 11:50 |
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| ccooke | Not right now, sorry | 11:54 |
| lcuk | morning maemo and ccooke \o | 11:57 |
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| matata | Wireless network "WEP Shared" not working on Maemo 5, is there any way to configure via command line ? | 12:01 |
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| Treibholz | matata: use WPA! :-) | 12:07 |
| Treibholz | matata: anyway, WEP worked fine, last time I checked. | 12:08 |
| Treibholz | matata: could you explain "not working" in more detail? | 12:09 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMoWt0wnlUw USS Enterprise discovers Trolololo planet | 12:11 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: pure horror | 12:17 |
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| pupnik | i thought you'd like it :) | 12:18 |
| asj | AWESOME | 12:18 |
| asj | oops sorry | 12:18 |
| pupnik | trolololo is indeed awe inspiring | 12:19 |
| rmrfchik | I wonder, what can usefull be do with n810 now? | 12:20 |
| asj | rmrfchik: tv out? | 12:20 |
| chrisak | Still using my about 3 year old N800 as primary device while traveling round world. great device | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | i prefer my n900 | 12:23 |
| rmrfchik | asj: on n810? how and why? | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | but i was really suprised by nokia making device like n800 without builtin gsm/3g | 12:23 |
| asj | rmrfchik: does it have it? maybe you could use it as a media player for the tv? | 12:23 |
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| lcuk | rmrfchik, interesting n8x0 project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7xVOC8zI8o | 12:24 |
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| rmrfchik | yes, good side application. but why I ever want to switch my n810 now? | 12:25 |
| rmrfchik | may be make a wall clock? or multimedia control.. | 12:25 |
| rmrfchik | dunno | 12:25 |
| lcuk | i use one of my 810s as tvremote | 12:25 |
| rmrfchik | how? | 12:25 |
| rmrfchik | n810 has IR?? | 12:25 |
| lcuk | no | 12:25 |
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| lcuk | good old tcp back to my house computer | 12:26 |
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| Treibholz | the n900 has no IR, either? I found a lot of packages for TV-remote-stuff... | 12:34 |
| lcuk | Treibholz, it has IR tx | 12:35 |
| Treibholz | cool, where is the transmitter? | 12:36 |
| pupnik | wow lcuk - telescope: a maemo5 like task-switcher for diablo! nice job Denel Olivo :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7xVOC8zI8o | 12:36 |
| Treibholz | I have about 5 remotes on my living-room, but the logitech-toys are to expensive :-) | 12:37 |
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| lcuk | yeah pupnik | 12:38 |
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| ccooke | Treibholz: the transmitter is just to the right of the camera button IIRC | 12:42 |
| ccooke | *checks* yep, there it is | 12:42 |
| Treibholz | I think I'll try this :-) | 12:43 |
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| hrw | that reminds me that I have 3 remotes to scan and import to n900 | 12:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | how to "scan" remotes? | 12:45 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9070 should be FIXED, right?) | 12:46 |
| povbot | Bug 9070: Autobuilder can't find "sharing-dialog-dev" (the package is in the SDK repo) | 12:46 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, that should be resolved now. | 12:47 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Done. Ta. | 12:47 |
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| nid0 | Shapeshifter: any machine with an ir rx + lirc | 12:48 |
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| mece | I see that eldarmurtazin is back with the maemo hate... | 12:50 |
| mece | fun times ahead :D | 12:50 |
| achipa | X-Fade: heya. Do I remember correctly you saying (my) old packages (=in extras) build okay with the new qt packages ? | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | achipa: No, wasn't me :) | 12:51 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: duh. damn those dreams | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | I said that older qt apps run on PR1.2 == newer Qt. | 12:52 |
| achipa | anyhoo... so any ideas on what happens to those packages that currently depend on qt in extras ? we kill them all or ? | 12:52 |
| achipa | X-Fade: but... but... (intelligence check fail) I have to get a coffee | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Depend on libqt4 or qt4-maemo5 ? | 12:53 |
| achipa | X-Fade: no. let me give an example - python2.5-qt4 depends on, say, QtHelp which was removed in PR1.2 | 12:54 |
| hrw | achipa: so it should fail | 12:54 |
| achipa | X-Fade: but there are other apps that depend on python2.5-qt4 that indirectly become uninstallable, too | 12:54 |
| achipa | (they are wrong to depend on it, but hey) | 12:55 |
| X-Fade | achipa: So there needs to be a new version in fremantle-1.2 extras then. | 12:55 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: so basically these packages will appear as uninstallable until the 10 quarantine for the new ver passes ? | 12:55 |
| achipa | (I have the fixed and working package already in extras-devel) | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | achipa: We might make some exceptions if there is a need. | 12:56 |
| achipa | I would have to check how many apps/libs depend on such removed packages... | 12:56 |
| achipa | (my guess, pyqt only :) ) | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | A quick grep will tell :) | 12:57 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: it might be hidden (in a pyqt app for example) | 12:58 |
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| achipa | anyway, just to let you know there is potential for some packagemongering there | 12:59 |
| dima202 | I have a feeling they will release it today | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, well I guess that will be a case by case thing anyway. | 13:00 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I don't object pushing pyqt if that fixes things for PR1.2 extras apps. | 13:00 |
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| * SpeedEvil inspects the entrails of a frog for clues. | 13:00 | |
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| * dima202 farts | 13:00 | |
| dima202 | nvm | 13:00 |
| * SpeedEvil finds that X-Fade shot JFK! | 13:00 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Nothing on PR1.2 date though. | 13:01 |
| bibounefr | Hello | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Hello! | 13:01 |
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| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Well if I tell you, I'd need to shoot you :) | 13:01 |
| achipa | X-Fade: I actually DO want it to go through extras-testing because of the changes, to see whether people can painlessly upgrade from PR1.1 | 13:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Goodbye! | 13:01 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the question is just what happens to apps depending on it in the meantime | 13:01 |
| X-Fade | achipa: well then you can push it. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | Although if it breaks, you get to keep ... | 13:02 |
| dima202 | Do you recommend wiping the N900 clean before upgradeing? | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | dima202: well - any grit might cause a scratched screen. | 13:02 |
| X-Fade | achipa: How many apps in extras depend on pyqt? | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | dima202: but it shouldn't be needed. | 13:03 |
| Corsac | if meego 1.0 is out before PR1.2 that'll be kind-of funny | 13:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | dima202: The over-the-air upgrade process is designed to be painful, and to not break stuff. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Why? | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | s/ful/less/ | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | (though it may not work) | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Do you really expect MeeGo 1.0 to be a useable phone? :) | 13:03 |
| Corsac | not really | 13:03 |
| mece | when you run something from cli, you run it from current directory. Is there a way to define from where you run a binary via a .desktop file? | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: #!/bin/sh cd ... | 13:04 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: but it was announced way later than pr1.2, is supposingly way more complicated, even if not complete | 13:04 |
| lcuk | mece, i did that by making .desktop call a script which was start location agnostic | 13:04 |
| mece | lcuk, yeah, but I don't know how to do the start location agnostic part. | 13:05 |
| mece | I already have a script | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: MeeGo will be just a base platform for quite a while (for phones at least) | 13:05 |
| dima202 | we'll se | 13:05 |
| achipa | X-Fade: okay, not that many, 7 if my quick grepping is correct | 13:05 |
| mece | waitup | 13:05 |
| lcuk | in your script cd to specific required folder | 13:05 |
| dima202 | Anyone port ftpfs btw? | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Not realy something you can use without the device maker part slapped on top of it. | 13:05 |
| achipa | (in Extras, didn't check -testing) | 13:05 |
| mece | lcuk jsut regular cd? cool. | 13:05 |
| X-Fade | Can use, as in, end-user. | 13:05 |
| phellarv | scratchbox did not like changing IP and NIC. | 13:05 |
| mece | like | 13:06 |
| mece | !#/bin/sh | 13:06 |
| mece | cd /opt/asdfdir | 13:06 |
| mece | asdf | 13:06 |
| lcuk | mece yeah within a script if you cd - subsequent commands will take place relative to that folder | 13:06 |
| mece | oops. sorry bout the spam | 13:06 |
| lcuk | ./asdf | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | achipa: So we can easily test those apps manually if we want. | 13:06 |
| lcuk | but yeah | 13:06 |
| achipa | X-Fade: deal | 13:06 |
| * asj is tired of waiting for pr1.2 already, they should have put less into it and released it already | 13:06 | |
| lcuk | asdf will use the global path variables | 13:06 |
| mece | lcuk, thanks. I'll try that. | 13:06 |
| lcuk | ./asdf will run from current folder | 13:06 |
| mece | lcuk, once I get my phone back. Sigh. | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | i just realised ive got a 20" multitouch device here - im gonna find one of hte large n900 surrounds and make an uber n90000 | 13:09 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if we will get nokia maps update with pr1.2 | 13:09 | |
| sECuRE | probably not, i think | 13:10 |
| sECuRE | it wasn't in the changelog, afair | 13:10 |
| ccooke | Arkenoi: it would be surprising if we get a nokia maps update in pr1.3, even. 1.2 I would be *amazed* | 13:11 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: they did put less into it! | 13:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj: the freeze was ages ago AIUI. | 13:11 |
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| Treibholz | ccooke: you mean: with voice? :-) | 13:15 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: aiui? | 13:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | As I Understand It | 13:15 |
| Treibholz | http://xkcd.com/732/ | 13:15 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: yes, I beleive it was | 13:15 |
| ccooke | Treibholz: yes. | 13:15 |
| ccooke | well, really: With the features they have recently brought to Symbian for free. | 13:16 |
| Treibholz | btw.: is it possible, to predownload a map? Traveling to another country would otherwise be _very_ expensive. | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: for what? you mean ovi amps? | 13:17 |
| lcuk | Treibholz, yes its possible with ovi maps | 13:17 |
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| Treibholz | the n900 has 'ovi maps', right? | 13:17 |
| sECuRE | sygic beats ovi maps in every way, IMO | 13:17 |
| sECuRE | (comes with maps for europe) | 13:18 |
| flux | secure, even in price?-) | 13:18 |
| TigerTael | haha | 13:18 |
| sECuRE | in price for what you get, sure | 13:18 |
| TigerTael | Disagree. | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: It does. | 13:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: however - the version for n900 does not have turn-by-turn navigation. | 13:19 |
| Treibholz | ok, I'll try this in summer for Serbia! :-) | 13:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: and is somewhat clunky. | 13:19 |
| asj | and leads to the n900 overheating and powering down... | 13:19 |
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| Treibholz | my old GPS in the car always crashes around Belgrade. | 13:20 |
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| ccooke | asj: ouch. Really? | 13:22 |
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| asj | ccooke: it was in the sun on the tank bag on my motorcycle, and the sun here is strong...but...hey it should be able to take direct sun right? | 13:24 |
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| akumar1 | Please any one help me. | 13:27 |
| akumar1 | I am using Maemo5 SDK with Qt in ubuntu. | 13:27 |
| achipa | Treibholz: it detect the traffic black-hole Belgrade is | 13:27 |
| akumar1 | I want to play video in Maemo5 SDK widget using gstreamer. I compiled and run gstreamer code successfully in Linux platform. but when i run on Maemo5 scratchbox then it is not display in scratchbox. | 13:27 |
| achipa | detects* | 13:27 |
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| lcuk | akumar1, try it on device | 13:28 |
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| matata | Treibholz, ok thank you. for unknown reason, it works fine after reboot the device !!! | 13:28 |
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| mece | why the frak am I getting dh_strip: command returned error code 256 | 13:28 |
| mece | make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 | 13:28 |
| akumar1 | for this i have written below teo line, | 13:28 |
| akumar1 | QApplication :: syncX (); | 13:28 |
| akumar1 | akumar: gst_x_overlay_set_xwindow_id (GST_X_OVERLAY (videosink), frame->winId ()); | 13:28 |
| lcuk | achipa, my missus used to think gps didnt connect because it was rush hour and too many people were using it | 13:28 |
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| achipa | lcuk: Treibholz : You need to remember, traffic in Serbia is like the Matrix. Some of the rules can be bent, others can be broken. | 13:29 |
| akumar1 | videosink is created using autovideosink. | 13:29 |
| TigerTael | lol | 13:29 |
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| mece | what's should my Architecture line be like if I want both x86 and armel versions? | 13:31 |
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| mece | in control file | 13:31 |
| achipa | mece: make sure you show your ID, strip might be limited to 18+ | 13:31 |
| X-Fade | mece: any | 13:32 |
| achipa | mece: what do you mean 'both' ? | 13:32 |
| mece | both | 13:32 |
| mece | aah | 13:32 |
| mece | yes thanks. | 13:32 |
| mece | well which one+ | 13:32 |
| mece | ? | 13:32 |
| X-Fade | any, both is not valid ;) | 13:32 |
| mece | I guess both will work. I'm trying to test stuff in scratchbox, now that I don't have my n900 | 13:32 |
| achipa | yes, yes, but 'any' is not x86 & armel (nitpicking, I know) | 13:32 |
| mece | ok | 13:32 |
| mece | ok, well I'll put any. | 13:32 |
| mece | for now. | 13:32 |
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| X-Fade | any means build for any architecture the builder supports. | 13:33 |
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| mece | OMG! | 13:36 |
| mece | they fixed my phone! It took 3 hours and 37 minutes! | 13:37 |
| Lynoure | That's fast. | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | What was wrong with it? | 13:37 |
| mece | usb port | 13:37 |
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| Lynoure | That sounds like the most common problem people have with the hardware | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | do they replace the motherboard, or resolder? | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder what happens with the old motherboards | 13:37 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, resolder I believe. | 13:38 |
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| mece | SpeedEvil, at least the guy hinted that they'll resolder the part. | 13:38 |
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| mece | now to get some one to sit my sick kids while I fetch it. | 13:38 |
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| arachnist | hi | 13:55 |
| arachnist | any news on pr1.2? | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's been cancelled. Along with christmas. | 13:56 |
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| d14 | :)) | 13:58 |
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| squidd | 2 | 13:59 |
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| andre__ | arachnist, no update icon blinking here on my N900. hence no news. | 14:01 |
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| RST38h | PR1.2 is only hoing to be available in Chinese. So, you should change your language to Chinese and it will automagically appear! | 14:03 |
| * RST38h hides | 14:03 | |
| frals | so how the hell are you suppose to get a hold of proper diet coke in HEL? | 14:03 |
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| adeus | well you cant | 14:04 |
| adeus | it'se illegal to sell them as "diet" :) | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | frals: Not at the airport at least. | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 14:04 |
| frals | well, coke light or whatever | 14:04 |
| frals | only seen regular and coke zero in the supermarkets | 14:04 |
| arachnist | HEL? | 14:04 |
| frals | helsinki | 14:04 |
| arachnist | there's a city in poland named "Hel" | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | frals: real finns drink vodka instead of diet coke | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | helsinki, even I got it | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | diet vodka? :P | 14:05 |
| frals | also, the n900 gps is fucking horrible without a-gps on | 14:05 |
| adeus | there should be light as well | 14:05 |
| RST38h | frals: coke is bad for you anyway | 14:05 |
| frals | walked from helsinki centre to my hotel which is like 10-15min, didnt manage to get a lock :< | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | frals: i decided after a bit a simple online/offline was more worth my time than not having it | 14:05 |
| RST38h | frals: but the finns sell passable juice | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | frals, lol my N95 went from 7 bars to 0 in germany without a single satellite lock | 14:06 |
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| adeus | with the bluetooth gps module and n800, I managed to drive from tampere to helsinki without a lock | 14:07 |
| frals | on a completly different note, am i the only one who feels bad when i press reply all and its like 7ppl on there who might or might not care about the mail? :D | 14:08 |
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| Corsac | X-Fade: you missed my point though | 14:09 |
| Corsac | X-Fade: it's just that pr 1.2 is an upgrade scheduled since ages, which, as far as we know, has been feature-frozen since quite some time, and with an already released sdk | 14:10 |
| X-Fade | Corsac: Sure, but that doesn't mean that development stopped. | 14:11 |
| MiXu- | I prefer waiting an extra 6 weeks instead of having a half-assed upgrade. | 14:12 |
| adeus | especially if/when there are regressions in it | 14:12 |
| hrw | heh.. maemo5 voip support suxx | 14:12 |
| hrw | where voip == sip | 14:13 |
| hrw | one operator can login but not make calls, other can not even login but (as usual under maemo) no information what fail | 14:13 |
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| frals | hmm talk down | 14:13 |
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| jacekowski | voip suxxx | 14:16 |
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| hrw | jacekowski: it does, but sometimes work require to use it | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | works like a charm here, since N810. You mustn't blame Nokia for all the idiocies any arbitrary SIP provider may or may not implement and suggest you use his wrecked softphone exclusively to access their service | 14:31 |
| bilboed-pi | no really, the sip support sucks on the n900 | 14:33 |
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| bilboed-pi | using standard providers that work flawlessly with several other sip phones | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SIP + NAT is a tragical topic. Alas in most cases you don't have full controll over the NAT you're behind with a device like N900 | 14:33 |
| bilboed-pi | (on a fully controlled network) | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | no issues here, works like a charm with sipgate.de | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | both over WLAN with a NAT on my router I admin myself, as well as over german GSM provider O2 which also has a NAT but seems to work considerably correct | 14:36 |
| * zaheerm just uses sip with local asterisk server, so never have had issues on n900 with sip | 14:36 | |
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| * Arkenoi has almost no problems with SIP | 14:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | see ? :-) | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nevertheless I agree - though just for the provider part, as most of them either don't cling to the RFC or simply have too many downtimes and service glitches | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | or usually both | 14:41 |
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| Ken-Young | Does anyone know how I can clear all PIM data from an N900 so that I can resync it ab initio with a gmail account? | 14:44 |
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| Psi | hi, does anyone know if the flashlight app is safe | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | reset to factory? | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flashlight is great | 14:45 |
| Psi | i mean, was the n900 designed to have its flash leds on continiously | 14:45 |
| fcrozat | Ken-Young: calendar or addressbook ? | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: yes | 14:45 |
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| Psi | ok | 14:46 |
| Ken-Young | fcrozat, Both. email too. | 14:46 |
| pancake | how can I add a program in the startup (rc2.d) in maemo? doesnt seems to work like in standard debian | 14:46 |
| Psi | i was just worried they might be overdriven due to only being pulsed, and might overheat and burnout if on all the time | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | Ken-Young: files in ~/ | 14:46 |
| fcrozat | Ken-Young: you could reflash the device ;) or just try to remove main calendar (it will be refused but it will ask you if you want to remove all events in it) | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | pancake: n900 uses upstart | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: the way flashlight implements it, it's ok. You got a second 'high power' mode that is allowed for a max of iirc 500ms | 14:46 |
| pancake | uhm ok | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | pancake: ubuntu thing | 14:47 |
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| jacekowski | pancake: and debian testing or unstable uses it as well | 14:47 |
| fcrozat | and try to remove email account (it should remove stored emails on your device) | 14:47 |
| pancake | long time i dont check debian i htink ;) | 14:47 |
| Psi | DocScrutinizer: ah, thanks | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | Psi: LEDs ussualy are designed to have 100% duty cycle | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not N900 flash-LEDs though | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | same here | 14:48 |
| Psi | most led datasheets have rated current and max current at 10% duty | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | just more heat produced | 14:48 |
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| Psi | 10% duty 1khz is quite common | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: jacekowski: check driver sources, it's mentioned in there - sth like "80mA continuous, 340mA max 500ms" | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | yeah, overheating issues | 14:50 |
| Psi | yeah | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, there's no heatsink on the power LEDs | 14:51 |
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| jacekowski | there are some LEDs with heatsinks | 14:51 |
| * jacekowski has couple of them on shelf | 14:51 | |
| Psi | there are what look like tiny spiral heatsinks on the n900 leds, if you look close | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | not the N900 ones though - a PCB of maybe 5mm width and no large convection area anywhere in vicinity | 14:52 |
| Psi | jacekowski: nice, what kinda, i have a few 900lm 2.8A leds around here somewhere | 14:52 |
| lcuk | those arent heatsinks, they are slides for hte electrons to go down so they retain their spin later in the circuit | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: ?? spiral heatsinks? | 14:53 |
| Psi | DocScrutinizer: yeah, look at the leds | 14:53 |
| Psi | there is some metal there which is doing something | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | psi - picture.. | 14:54 |
| Psi | you want me to take a pic so you dont have to turn your phone over? | 14:54 |
| lcuk | focusing rings or on the led substrate itself? | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Psi: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_02.jpeg I look at the LEDs (lower end middle, the 2 white blobs on the small part of the PCB) - where are those spiral heatsinks? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: I guess what you see are the Fresnel lenses in front of the LEDs | 14:56 |
| Psi | i would take a pic but my 40d died today :( | 14:57 |
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| Psi | DocScrutinizer: intertesting, definitly not in the pic | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also see what I meant by 'no decent PCB heatsink area' | 15:00 |
| Psi | yeah | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: there are concentric rings in the clear plastic lenses in front of the LEDs | 15:02 |
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| Psi | oh, i think i see what you mean | 15:02 |
| Psi | yeah, they could be marks on the plastic inside | 15:02 |
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| MohammadAG | someone on tmo is pissing me off | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | sure, overclocking is safe cause no one reported failures | 15:06 |
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| Stskeeps | just like flying in ash never hurt anyone | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:07 |
| Psi | heh | 15:07 |
| mece | lol | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | rofl | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: invite him to this chan, so we can kickban him forever ;-P | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | lol would he know how to join it | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG | even Matan is backing him up | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's strange. Matan isn't a hw-crack, so I'd think he would refrain from such EE related statements | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, should i invite him? :P | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | Problem is that it might well be harmless, you never know until it fails :) | 15:10 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, he's spreading bs facts and calling me retarted so.... | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | And failure can come tomorrow or in 4 years. | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and smoking also is harmless, until you eventually get lung cancer | 15:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer lights up a cig | 15:10 | |
| MohammadAG | I hope his device fails when pr1.2 appears | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: Matan's not bad at what he does fwiw | 15:11 |
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| Psi | fyi space quest 4 running in dosbox is quite playable. | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, he's seeing user experience is better than an engineer's test results | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | matan is brilliant - that's wjy I thought he knows what he doesn't know | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | weeelll | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:11 |
| * MohammadAG wants to resign from talk.maemo.org | 15:11 | |
| gouverneur | ahahahhaaaa | 15:11 |
| gouverneur | *moan* | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | tests can't cover everything obviously | 15:11 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: resign from being a mod? | 15:12 |
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| MohammadAG | resign from being a user | 15:12 |
| * crashanddie hands MohammadAG a rope | 15:12 | |
| gouverneur | can anyone tell me what is normal for xorg (CPU MEM) for no apps running but top?! | 15:12 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what to do with it | 15:12 | |
| crashanddie | wouldn't top mean xterm is running too? | 15:13 |
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| gouverneur | crashanddie: sshd | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i believe he meant for an idle machine | 15:13 |
| * MohammadAG strangles the baron | 15:13 | |
| MohammadAG | -the | 15:13 |
| gouverneur | ~curse xorg | 15:13 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, xorg ! | 15:13 |
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| crashanddie | gouverneur: between 6 and 10% mem, and 1% CPU I'd say | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | baron von DADA | 15:14 |
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| gouverneur | crashanddie: ty | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/DADA/GAGA/ | 15:14 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: baron von GAGA | 15:14 |
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| gouverneur | now is everything ok but cpu was between 6 an 20%... | 15:15 |
| MiXu- | Remember that the CPU usage percentage is relative. | 15:15 |
| AndrewFBlack | MohammadAG: you wouldn't be the first to resign from t.m.o as a user | 15:15 |
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| gouverneur | desktop froze again saturday night, but I was out partiing and ran out of battery to have a closer look | 15:16 |
| AndrewFBlack | Good Morning everyone btw | 15:16 |
| Termana | good morning AndrewFBlack | 15:16 |
| gouverneur | AndrewFBlack: hi andreqw | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | hey AndrewFBlack :) | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | oh wow, new high for CSI Miami: "When lightning strikes specific metals, it makes them magnetous" | 15:16 |
| gouverneur | as long as I got no power over the braintorm.maemo I miss the sense of even looking after the forum anymore | 15:17 |
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| crashanddie | gouverneur: you're Reggie now? | 15:17 |
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| AndrewFBlack | crashanddie: Reggie isn't even Reggie anymore | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | oooh, deep | 15:18 |
| AndrewFBlack | thank you | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | you're very welcome | 15:18 |
| chem|st | seems like everyone who was working on maemo is now on meego and that sucks | 15:19 |
| MiXu- | *rolleyes* | 15:19 |
| AndrewFBlack | I know right now on t.m.o mod forum section we can't even get Reggie to respond to us | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie | took me a week him to remove my mod rights :P | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | *tell chem|st about maemo-obsolete | 15:20 |
| chem|st | the bugs are resolved but if you don't have access to the controlpanel managing things it doesn't help you that the controlpanel has new functions | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell chem|st about maemo-obsolete | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, and how do you feel? :P | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: a lot better | 15:20 |
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| Termana | yeah, cause now he can just arse around the chat room | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | that didn't change :P | 15:21 |
| AndrewFBlack | would it be wrong to post on meego forums that we would like people not to forget that our phones still run maemo right now lol | 15:22 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: well but maemo stays maemo and the maemo community wont vanish after meego goes productive, will it? | 15:22 |
| mece | LOL | 15:22 |
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| * mece got no love for meego atm. | 15:22 | |
| MohammadAG | at least it'll take away the trolls | 15:23 |
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| chem|st | mece: why should I? the best step would be to keep it maemo for the nokia devices, based on meego instead of debian | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not bet on that | 15:23 |
| AndrewFBlack | mece: I don't have much love for my n900 at all right now | 15:24 |
| chem|st | trolls follow the smell not something intelligent though | 15:24 |
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| chem|st | AndrewFBlack: as long as the desktop doesnt get stuck its okay reliable and fast | 15:24 |
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| mece | AndrewFBlack, I looooove my N900. | 15:25 |
| AndrewFBlack | chem|st: Its not the phones problem its just the whole thing isn't that enjoy able right now | 15:25 |
| mece | AndrewFBlack, eventhough I broke my usb port yesterday. | 15:25 |
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| chem|st | AndrewFBlack: true | 15:25 |
| chem|st | mece: well and its fixed and ready to pick up, isn't it? | 15:26 |
| mece | chem|st, yeah, but I | 15:26 |
| mece | m | 15:26 |
| mece | oops | 15:26 |
| mece | I'm stuck at home with 4 sick kids, and can't pick it up right now. It's annoying as hell. | 15:26 |
| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, what would make it enjoyable for you | 15:26 |
| mece | lcuk, Lasers! I want lasers attatched to it's head. | 15:27 |
| mece | lcuk, you're still working on that, right? | 15:27 |
| lcuk | mece we already reviewed this in bug 12048 (maybe redacted) and found we could not fit the shark inside the device | 15:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12048 was not found. | 15:27 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk: thats a very good questions, and I think I might have just got a PM about it | 15:27 |
| chem|st | I am more concerned about the PR1.2 SDK update being *month ahead of the PR1.2 for N900, the website being stuck, bugs getting no attention, bugs being filed as enhancement but known as serious bugs... | 15:28 |
| mece | lcuk, damn. Did you try the shrink-ray on the shark? | 15:28 |
| lcuk | bugs certainly are getting attention chem|st | 15:28 |
| chem|st | I guess a bug filed 2008 still open is getting no attention | 15:29 |
| lcuk | is it a vital bug? | 15:29 |
| lcuk | post its mb# | 15:29 |
| chem|st | I know that this is not an overall issue but some things are still missing | 15:30 |
| lcuk | AndrewFBlack, private messages dont make happy open source stuff tho :p | 15:30 |
| AndrewFBlack | lcuk: its open source information someone just posted me the link | 15:30 |
| pupnik | lcuk, do you think individual developers could sign an nda and get cvs/svn access to specific portions of closed code .. upon approval of a feature update or bugfix proposal? | 15:30 |
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| pupnik | for example: make wifi icon display current signal strength | 15:31 |
| lcuk | pupnik, something like that could be done in a different manner? (specific case) | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pupnik++ | 15:32 |
| lcuk | the signal strength is available isnt it | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you of all people should know that open source doesn't require every aspect to be open. | 15:32 |
| chem|st | to lazy to look them up, wpa enterprise, GPG/PGP for modest, syncML (even my 30eur phone can do that) and others | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone ever bother to put up a proposal for nokia to allow X community person access to some source to fix some things? :P | 15:33 |
| summelsam | is it somehow possible to change the order of the phone numbers in a contact? | 15:33 |
| pupnik | the icon always shows 3 bars | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: well - it's available - but it's not shown | 15:33 |
| summelsam | i tried removing the last one and adding it again but it is still at the bottom | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wifi sig strength is displayed in syscontrol dropdown arae wifi icon, but not on the systray icon itself | 15:33 |
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| frals | is it ok to blame jetlag if im tired at 1530? | 15:33 |
| summelsam | and copy-pasting the last one and switching it with the first one still doesnt change the order :( | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: yes. | 15:34 |
| frals | goodie, doing that then | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: I still get jetlag from my last flight. | 15:34 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, open processes improve participation | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: 2001 I think it was. | 15:34 |
| frals | this 1hr time difference is messing me up | 15:34 |
| lcuk | me of all people knows how *not* to do it since ive tried many mechanisms | 15:34 |
| Scelt | frals: are you in Finland? | 15:34 |
| raster | frals: it's ok to blame jetlag for anything | 15:34 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, first one was the pvr stuff | 15:34 |
| frals | Scelt: yes | 15:34 |
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| adeus | well probably not ok last week :) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | and to a degree exactly that has happened | 15:35 |
| Scelt | frals: as Nokia's visitor? | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: same here :-P | 15:35 |
| * lcuk waves @ frals | 15:35 | |
| * frals waves at lcuk | 15:35 | |
| raster | q: "why are you wearing your underwear on your head?" | 15:35 |
| raster | a: "jetlag!" | 15:35 |
| frals | lcuk: seems everythings getting sorted :) | 15:35 |
| raster | q: "why are you always so stupid?" | 15:35 |
| raster | a: "jetlag!" | 15:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: mm, things are different now, back then it was a bit of a taboo | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | :) frals !!! | 15:35 |
| raster | q: "do you think i look fat in these jeans" | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: !!! | 15:36 |
| raster | a: "jetlag!" | 15:36 |
| lcuk | yeah Stskeeps but that was the principle one | 15:36 |
| frals | (wrt to what we discussed about ux stuff) | 15:36 |
| raster | (as all men know - there is NO right answer to that question. it's a trap. so jetlag is one of the best answers you can come up with) | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:36 |
| * RST38h moos evilly at raster | 15:36 | |
| lcuk | yeah frals i gathered as much, great stuff | 15:36 |
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| RST38h | Hey, raster, what was that about you and Badu? =) | 15:37 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 15:37 |
| raster | :) | 15:37 |
| raster | RST38h: burrrp | 15:37 |
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| * RST38h figured that much after looking at Badu code samples | 15:37 | |
| raster | RST38h: ugh. bada. nothing to do with it. at all. it's an RTOS with asamsung middleware on top - the same they have used for years on dumbphones | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | badu is a hickup >/quote raster> :-) | 15:37 |
| raster | waste of time and energy | 15:37 |
| raster | and i'm tried of answering q's on it | 15:38 |
| raster | it's irrelevant | 15:38 |
| raster | dont bother | 15:38 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 15:38 |
| lcuk | awww Khertan we thought you were going to have a conversation with yourself! | 15:38 |
| summel | can i change the order of phone numbers for a contact or not? | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | delete and readd | 15:39 |
| RST38h | raster> Ack. | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | hey Khertan | 15:39 |
| summel | MohammadAG: does not change the order :( | 15:39 |
| Khertan | lcuk, yeah don't know why i ve settup two connection for freenode :) | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | summel, delete both and readd? | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | just guessing | 15:39 |
| Khertan | lcuk, i ve understood something today about qpainter | 15:39 |
| summel | if it were only 2 numbers.... but that contact has like 10 numbers... :( | 15:39 |
| Khertan | lcuk, it s slow when resizing pixmaps :) | 15:40 |
| summel | !featurerequest | 15:40 |
| nid0 | summel: you know where this answer's going then | 15:40 |
| summel | :( | 15:40 |
| lcuk | Khertan, w00t_ sussed that at weekend :p | 15:40 |
| lcuk | but when pixmaps arent involved its still slow | 15:40 |
| lcuk | so go figure :D | 15:40 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw it's bada afaik | 15:42 |
| summel | deleting and readding all numbers STILL does not change the order <:( | 15:42 |
| summel | _:( | 15:42 |
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| summel | argh | 15:42 |
| summel | >:( | 15:42 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, the 'show my location' thing of the IM app is stuck at a location I was at hours ago. even if I run maep, which updates correctly, the location thing doesnt update. | 15:42 |
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| summel | where do i submit bugreports? | 15:42 |
| chem|st | summel: even if someone got 10 numbers... I need home work and cell maybe fax and maybe a second cell but all other numbers I am not interested in | 15:42 |
| RST38h | /usr/bin/tamagotchid^H^H^Hsorry | 15:42 |
| lcuk | lizardo_, \o did csaavedra get hold of you by chance - he was asking about pymaemo folks at weekend and I steered him towards your account | 15:43 |
| chem|st | summel: bugs.maemo.org | 15:43 |
| summel | thx | 15:43 |
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| Disconnect | anyone know why the photos browser never sees the actual photos? if i open one in a file manager, it will show that one in the list (temporarily) | 15:43 |
| lcuk | lizardo, ^ | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Disconnect: the photos browser does not look at the filesystem. (nor does the media player) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | Disconnect: tracker has to index them | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Disconnect: That would be too logical. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Disconnect: it asks the tracker what files it knows about, then shows them | 15:44 |
| lizardo | lcuk: what is about? :) | 15:44 |
| Disconnect | SpeedEvil: it should at least be looking where the camera saves them ;) | 15:44 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: And would render wonderful work of many Tracker gnomes useless | 15:44 |
| lcuk | lizardo, im not sure, it was in #maemo-devel on saturday morning | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: bzzz, wrong. If I get inbound from all 10 numbers, I want all 10 to be in the cooresponding contact | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Disconnect: that would be way too logical | 15:45 |
| Disconnect | RST38h: any way to force tracker to stop being brain-damaged? | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got it working sanely for audio files | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and video | 15:45 |
| RST38h | Disconnect: Well you can turn it off but it will not make gallery see those photos | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I think thumbnailerd is seperate from tracker though | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and I can't find the config file for it | 15:45 |
| * RST38h thinks of disabling tracker on startup and having a button for one-short run | 15:45 | |
| * SpeedEvil verified range of files. One pass only. | 15:46 | |
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| RST38h | SpeedEvil: etc | 15:46 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I dont care about the sort order | 15:46 |
| Disconnect | didn't dnotify get a smart version in recent kernels? | 15:46 |
| lcuk | q: if you delete tracker db do you also delete the tags applied to media? | 15:47 |
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| lizardo | lcuk: well, if you see him around, feel free to ask him to join #pymaemo where the whole team can be found :) | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: well, I'd like to have the numbers I use for dialing out at a prominent place like first ones in the list | 15:47 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thats what I meant | 15:48 |
| chem|st | I put the prominents at default and home | 15:48 |
| Psi | so are there any video formats that the n900 mediaplayer is able to decode in hardware? id like to be able to stream media from another pc to n900 | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I think that'd be a good thing | 15:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: 'scan this directory / add this specific file to index' | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly... | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke indexer | 15:51 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at indexer ... B☢☢M! | 15:51 | |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | what an incredibly insane concept | 15:52 |
| SWFu64 | Does anyone know of any wardriving apps for the n900? | 15:52 |
| SWFu64 | hich uses internal gps | 15:52 |
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| summel | SWFu64: theres a wifiscanner that can signal open networks | 15:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | airodump is borked | 15:53 |
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| summel | but no gps functions afaik | 15:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Psi, as for video codec, h264 baseline at up to 800x480 works | 15:54 |
| SWFu64 | Yeah, I wan't to create a kml file | 15:54 |
| AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps: Thanks for the link my day got a little better. | 15:54 |
| Psi | ShadowJK: thanks | 15:54 |
| SWFu64 | I've wiieye installed which has no gps either. | 15:54 |
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| FIQ | will pr1.2 get released next year? | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, 2018 | 15:55 |
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| Psi | heh | 15:55 |
| FIQ | ah | 15:55 |
| SWFu64 | It's not being released | 15:55 |
| Treibholz | FIQ: PR1.2 will be ported to HURD and has e17 as GUI, so it will take a while... | 15:55 |
| FIQ | PSI SHIELD ALPHA | 15:55 |
| Anss| | is pr1.2 released already? | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, 2018 | 15:55 |
| FIQ | treibholz, pr1.2 is released to sdk and have no major new features | 15:56 |
| * Anss| marks calendar | 15:56 | |
| summel | Treibholz: e17? :o i thought they are porting xfce to qt4 for that? | 15:56 |
| Surfa | what is major new feature? | 15:56 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, im sure all the nokians are at ho me at 8:18pm | 15:56 |
| SWFu64 | If only kimet would work :( | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | are at home | 15:56 |
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| * Torne is still puzzled as to why they added rotation to the browser, which imho is the least likely app to want to use in portrait mode ;) | 15:56 | |
| nid0 | people cried for it, so they got it | 15:57 |
| Surfa | Torne, actually i'd like tu use browser in portrait mode | 15:57 |
| FIQ | but portrait already exists? | 15:57 |
| Torne | ya, but no rotation in all the *other* things? | 15:57 |
| nid0 | there are the odd few sites thatre handy in portrait mode | 15:57 |
| summel | Torne: i would love to use all apps in portrait mode if i want to :( | 15:57 |
| FIQ | ctrl+shift+o | 15:57 |
| FIQ | or smth | 15:57 |
| Anss| | maybe nokians are selling their stocks/options. that would explain stock crash. | 15:57 |
| Torne | summel: yeah, that's what i mean; i'd'v eadded it to a lot of other things before the browser :0 | 15:57 |
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| Torne | e.g. messaging | 15:57 |
| Torne | or just, like.. the menu | 15:57 |
| summel | yes | 15:58 |
| summel | contacts | 15:58 |
| Psi | be nice if they added some extended key combos for alt tab and esc | 15:58 |
| FIQ | landscape > portrait | 15:58 |
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| Termana | hello timeless_mbp | 15:58 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 15:58 |
| Torne | FIQ: *not having the option* for core phone-type functionality like reading SMS is kinda lame, though :) | 15:58 |
| FIQ | [14:59:36] <Psi> be nice if they added some extended key combos for alt tab and esc | 15:58 |
| Torne | FIQ: having only portrait would suck just as much for many things, sure ;) | 15:58 |
| FIQ | alt+tab works just like ctrl+backspace | 15:59 |
| FIQ | no need for a new such thing | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | messaging in portrait -yaeh. Plus a 3*4 kbd, and T9 please! </sarcasm> | 15:59 |
| FIQ | but indeed @ needing new keys | 15:59 |
| Psi | huh? | 15:59 |
| Psi | there is no alt atm | 15:59 |
| FIQ | no... | 15:59 |
| Torne | DocScrutinizer: not even for reading? :) | 15:59 |
| * ShadowJK yawns | 15:59 | |
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| FIQ | did i state it? | 16:00 |
| * RST38h makes it a rule to thumb down any Tracker news he sees on the Planet | 16:00 | |
| FIQ | i said, alt+tab and ctrl+backspace is the same idea | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Torne: it was easier for the browser team to add rotation support | 16:00 |
| Psi | what does everyone use instead of alt to switch irssi windows? | 16:00 |
| Torne | Psi: escape | 16:00 |
| FIQ | uh | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | since the browser mostly displays content which supports dynamic layout | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Will thumb up the first peiece of news which starts with "Maemo abandons Tracker" =0 | 16:00 |
| Torne | esc then key *mostly* behaves like alt+key | 16:00 |
| Torne | in a tty. | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas normal applications are designed according to pixel perfect layout guidelines | 16:01 |
| Torne | (apps can tell the difference if htey try, but they mostly don't) | 16:01 |
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| jaska | also ctrl-n and ctrl-p switch back and forth | 16:01 |
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| ShadowJK | portrait mode in conversations seems unlikely as even the dynamic font size changing was killed :) | 16:01 |
| Torne | good thing i don't use it as a phone then, i guess | 16:01 |
| Torne | that would annoy me ;) | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: w/o an onscreen keyboard, portrait mode in a text based app (e.g. conversations) is useless | 16:02 |
| Psi | jaska: ahh, thanks | 16:02 |
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| Torne | timeless_mbp: er, but it does have an onscreen keyboard, if you turn it on | 16:02 |
| frals | not in portrait | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Torne: the original on screen keyboard is landscape only | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | not in portrait mode!! | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | do you really want to use a landscape keyboard in a portrait application? | 16:03 |
| summel | the original osk sucks... kinda | 16:03 |
| Torne | no, i want to *read stuff* in portrait mode | 16:03 |
| auenf | would be a challenge ;) | 16:03 |
| Torne | then turn it around and open the slider to type if needd | 16:03 |
| auenf | bring back the stylus keyboard? | 16:03 |
| summel | the iphone has a portrait mode osk :P | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, the pr1.2 one "works" in portrait mode | 16:03 |
| Torne | also yeah, i have the new build on mine ;) | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | not a clean method, but it works | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: yeah well... | 16:03 |
| Torne | i've not tried the osk in portrait i don't think | 16:04 |
| * Torne checks | 16:04 | |
| Khertan | useless | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | Torne, it doesn't rotate | 16:04 |
| frals | nice bug in solitaire from ovi maps.. if you reset a game it wont show new cards until you restart teh application | 16:04 |
| Torne | MohammadAG: hm? what do you mean it works, then? | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | the pr1.2 keyboard was redesigned | 16:04 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: ovi MAPS has solitaire? | 16:04 |
| ShadowJK | Of course, since the dialpad in portrait mode has letters on it, people assume that portrait mode SMS is coming, what else would the letters be for if not T9! :) | 16:04 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: doh, s/maps/store/ :P | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: muhahaha | 16:05 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: "works" how? | 16:05 |
| Torne | MohammadAG: yes, i have that on my device, though | 16:05 |
| * Torne just tries it | 16:05 | |
| MohammadAG | frals, forced rotation, but it fits in the screen | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | It's also amusing to see all the bloggers say portrait sms should be easy since the letters are already there on the dialpad! | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | unlike the current one where half of it gets sliced | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | is the virtual keyboard in hildon-input-method? | 16:06 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: it's closed source if that's what you're asking | 16:06 |
| frals | ShadowJK: :D | 16:06 |
| Torne | huh, it rotates back to landscape to display the osk? | 16:06 |
| Torne | that's insane | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, nope, just asking if it's in hildon-input-method :) | 16:07 |
| * Torne points and laughs | 16:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Rundown test. Starting at ~90% battery. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm now at hour 50 | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | And it's showing 20% bat left | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | mostly idle, connected on wifi | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds sane | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, remember the thing i did when the 1.2 sdk was released? :p | 16:07 |
| ZogG | sounds tasty | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: of course | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doing it again :P | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, why? | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the blobs still won't update magically | 16:09 |
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| * MohammadAG breaks mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 16:09 | |
| MohammadAG | pkg - warning: downgrading hildon-input-method from 1:2.1.35-1+0m5 to 1:2.1.33-1+0m5. | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 16:10 |
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| Torne | does backup, reflash, restore actually preserve everything? | 16:11 |
| Torne | installed apps, etc? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | almost | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | except those you installed via apt-get | 16:11 |
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| Torne | ah, that's slightly less painful then | 16:11 |
| nid0 | well. | 16:13 |
| nid0 | it reinstalls apps freshly from the repos, rather than actually preserve your existing installs | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those you installed via appmanager are freshly installed, though their settings preserved mostly | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | till /home/user is cleared *cough* | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | waaaaah | 16:15 |
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| * Torne apologises for newbie questions, but is impatient ;) | 16:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the m134 is shiny and oiled now | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | what did I just replace... | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, found a javelin? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas not | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems I fired all of then last new year fireworks | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | hope you didn't kill any flying penguins | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I tought them flying ;-P | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | and nokia taught them how to shoot lasers | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | we're doomed | 16:18 |
| Anss| | that's 3vil | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't that sharks, and lcuk? | 16:19 |
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| Anss| | yeah, "freaking lasers attached on their heads" :) it was a fun movie. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://maemo.nokia.com/ | 16:20 |
| lcuk | i did not kill all the flying penguins. | 16:20 |
| * MohammadAG looks athe penguins | 16:20 | |
| lcuk | tho they are undeniably very tasty, i recall there were at least 2 or 3 others still flying last time i went hunting | 16:20 |
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| Appiah | After a phone call and exiting phone , everything is still turned | 16:21 |
| Appiah | how the hell do I get everything back ...without reboot | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | killall hildon-desktop | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | easiest way | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: there's no portrait mode keyboard in the browser in 1.2 | 16:22 |
| frals | open browser and turn it | 16:22 |
| Appiah | oh nevermind , meanwhile I was typing it locked itself, and when I unlocked it turned back | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | then fire up the phone app and close it down | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, as i said, forced rotation | 16:22 |
| Appiah | man that's the first time that happend to me | 16:22 |
| Appiah | is this common? | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | *forced* | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | Appiah, not any more here | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: that's totally uninteresting to a software engineer | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | please don't waste my time | 16:23 |
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| MohammadAG | o.O | 16:23 |
| Appiah | O_o | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I never said it was an official/clean method | 16:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | it should be obvious to everyone here that engineers can't offer a feature if the dependent feature doesn't exist in the software they're building on | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 16:23 |
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| * RST38h wonders who came up with a design where audio jack comes out at the bottom | 16:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: monday mood? | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | And it is actually impossible to create a dock for the device | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not impossible but really difficult. The usb doesn't help either | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: 770? | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sure | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Sts: 900 | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that bottom | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Doc: None of it helps | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | Doc: But I am no longer complaining about USB because EU standartization bodies are to blame for it | 16:28 |
| * ShadowJK always wanted headphone jack on the bottom | 16:29 | |
| ShadowJK | but not on the side :P | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nobody at usb.org stops device manufs from adding contact pads to the case surface, for a spring loaded contacts in a drop in cradle | 16:29 |
| nomis | RST38h: the EU requires USB ports to go sideways? | 16:29 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: That is not the side, unless you have got a wide enough pocket to carry it horizontally =) | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | nomis: It just requires USB charging | 16:29 |
| nomis | oh ok. | 16:30 |
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| * timeless_mbp wonders why andre__ moved bug 8013 to Camera | 16:30 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8013 switching out of full screen causes the screen to flash black | 16:30 |
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| andre__ | because it's first of all a camera issue | 16:30 |
| RST38h | nomis: even although it is messy, mechanically unreliable, has problems delivering enough current, and causes trouble with data connections over the same usb | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's what I actually do, alas 180° rotated | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so both hs and usb are at bottom of my pouch | 16:31 |
| ShadowJK | WHen using it as mp3 player, what annoys me most is that the first tap goes to middle on the x axis.. | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: If I read usb.org specs correctly, they don't forbit other non-usb based charging pathes though | 16:33 |
| Psi | the stock n900 mediaplayer is the only current media player that takes advantage of hardware accel, correct? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: additional alternatives to usb | 16:33 |
| andre__ | Psi, how does it take advantage of it? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | Psi, sadly | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, dsp | 16:34 |
| Psi | ^^ | 16:34 |
| andre__ | ah | 16:34 |
| * Khertan want headphone on the top ! | 16:34 | |
| ShadowJK | Anything that uses mafw would benefit from hw accel | 16:34 |
| andre__ | argh, "accel". damn, I misread. sorry :) | 16:34 |
| * MohammadAG wants wireless headphones | 16:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, accelerometer? :P | 16:34 |
| nid0 | unless theyve hit problems, powermat are supposedly due to release their range of batteries soon | 16:34 |
| andre__ | dumdidum :-P | 16:34 |
| nid0 | thatll give an alternative to usb charging :> | 16:34 |
| * X-Fade uses BH-214, works nicely. | 16:35 | |
| silbo__ | when will the memo GSoC student be announced? | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, is it good? was reading some reviews | 16:35 |
| lcuk | #student? singular? | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted a BH-905, but the price is kinda steep | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Good enough for my needs. Podcasts and some music. | 16:35 |
| Psi | im not having much luck getting mediaplayer to play anything over wifi, any tricks to it? | 16:35 |
| nid0 | video or audio? | 16:36 |
| Psi | both | 16:36 |
| nid0 | audio from a upnp server should work fine | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | i hate how i can't send the incoming call dialog to the background | 16:36 |
| nid0 | avi video is currently broke | 16:36 |
| nid0 | though other containers should work | 16:36 |
| Disconnect | is there a way to force tracker to reindex from scratch? it has basically nothing - no video, no pics, no music.. really dumb | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, do the buttons work? | 16:36 |
| sECuRE | avi works for me | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | Disconnect, tracker-processes --hard-reset | 16:37 |
| Psi | tried to play avi, mpg, mov, wmv that are http shared, it always gives the option to play with mediaplayer, but mediaplayer never plays them | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes. | 16:37 |
| Disconnect | ncie :) | 16:37 |
| nid0 | avi video streaming from a upnp server? | 16:37 |
| Disconnect | er, nice | 16:37 |
| Disconnect | thanks | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | Disconnect, oh and fire up the media player/photos app to start reindexing | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | if that doesn't work, /home's full | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, thanks, might actually buy one then | 16:38 |
| ShadowJK | isn't there that bug that if you try play an unsupported format/codec, or if the thumbnail indexer stumbles upon one, mediaplayer will forever fail to play anything until a reboot | 16:38 |
| nid0 | yes | 16:38 |
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| Psi | ah, that maybe my problem then | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems the dsp locks up | 16:39 |
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| E0x | exits other battery replacement the more quality and more capacity in the same size of standard n900 battery | 16:39 |
| nid0 | no | 16:39 |
| Disconnect | 1.5G free on /home. should be enough ;) | 16:39 |
| RST38h | DocS: Well, maybe the Tentacled One will have another talk to Nokia's EE people and makes 'em return the power plug socket | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: :-D | 16:40 |
| RST38h | DocS: Even the 2.5mm one would be nice: I am shaking every time I plug that flimsy microUSB | 16:40 |
| Psi | yeah | 16:40 |
| nid0 | i'd say the chances of nokia reintroducing a second power port are somewhere between none and lolwat | 16:41 |
| RST38h | true | 16:41 |
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| RST38h | But still, microUSB charging is obviously a problem at many levels | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I got no highlight set on DocS:. please either use Doc: or DocScrutinizer | 16:41 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: any feedback while it indexes? or just wait 15 mins and see if anything shows up? ...oops, nevermind. 'retrieving info on new media files'. patience ftw :) | 16:41 |
| nid0 | well it's biggest problem is the flimsy connector - other manufactures have perfectly good solid microusb connectors on their devices | 16:42 |
| Disconnect | wow io really drags it to a halt. | 16:42 |
| Psi | ya know when you type a password and you can see the last char for 0.5 a sec before it becomes a * Is that a feature or a bug? :) | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | re-introducing a decent powerplug is a nobrainer at the EE level | 16:43 |
| Disconnect | Psi: feature | 16:43 |
| Psi | heh | 16:43 |
| Disconnect | ..unfortunately ;) | 16:43 |
| pupnik | i wonder how many parents saw The Exorcist and thought "that's my kid!" | 16:43 |
| Psi | i both like it and hate it | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: it seems they have manufacturing quality issues - my USB receptacle looks like only 3 of the 4 feet are decently soldered to the PCB | 16:44 |
| Psi | oh, im a moron | 16:45 |
| Psi | no wonder mplayer cannot play these media files | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | they're flash? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:45 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, exactly my point really, it's not that microusb is crap, it's just nokia makes crap microusb connectors at the moment | 16:45 |
| Psi | im browsing a https passworded server | 16:45 |
| Psi | mediaplayer doesnt know the password | 16:46 |
| Psi | or the login for that matter | 16:46 |
| nid0 | i've had no problems with my usb port, but it just *feels* very very flimsy, compared to every other microusb-connected device i've ever touched | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: feeling wacky is a *bad* sign. Might mean it's only attached to the PCB by the 5 contact feet, and the strong mechanical stands are loose | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: you should contact a service center and rise your concerns to them | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | resoldering the mech feet is easy | 16:49 |
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| nid0 | nah mine feels about the same as every other n900 and microusb-connected nokia i've touched, which was more my point - compare *any* nokia microusb port to that on, say, pretty much any htc phone, and you can really see that nokia are just doing it wrong | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if eventually the USB goes off the PCB completely, odds are the PCB is broken then and you need full swap | 16:49 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it can't be reattached? | 16:52 |
| Psi | if there's no damage then a new one can be soldered in | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: if the pads on PCB break, you probably can't find a way to contact a new USB receptacle | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG | oh great, the only device i imported and therefore isn't covered by warranty has an issue like this | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | ah well, luck's luck | 16:55 |
| Psi | its not that hard to fix for anyone with smt soldering skills | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: handle USB carefully, and never let the device drop with usb-cable inserted, and probably you're fine | 16:56 |
| aep | MohammadAG: my imported one says "global waranty" | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well I don't do that, but you never know what happens | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | aep, where did you import it from | 16:57 |
| aep | USA -> europe | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | which seller? | 16:57 |
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| aep | amazon | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | where does it say global? | 16:57 |
| aep | on the back there is a sticker | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | back of the box? | 16:58 |
| aep | in the battery tray or whatever you call that | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 16:58 |
| aep | where the imei number is | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | well if it's global the owe me a keyboard frame | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 16:59 |
| aep | try walking into an arbitrary nokia store. | 16:59 |
| aep | i dont think they will handle prerelease models though | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | if i can find one | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | mine isn't prerelease | 17:00 |
| aep | and those seems to be the only ones with the USB issue | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui there are few next to where he lives | 17:00 |
| aep | well then you're fine :P | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, one hour drive, and I'm not old enough to have a driver's license so.. :) | 17:01 |
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| aep | MohammadAG: what broke? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | here comes the noob | 17:01 |
| * noobmonk3y troll's in - w0000000000000000p | 17:02 | |
| pupnik | the american indians preserved the environment .... | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | aep, a clip from the keyboard frame, screen goes 1mm to the left/right, bottom area clicks a bit | 17:02 |
| * MohammadAG can go on | 17:02 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:02 |
| pupnik | ... using a system of property rights | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, does the usb cable move a bit? | 17:03 |
| * MohammadAG thinks he's being over cautious | 17:03 | |
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| aep | your usb is probably fine, if you cant see the PBC from outside | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, mine is a little bit (like 2..5°) wacky inside the non-moving receptacle | 17:03 |
| aep | that was a visible problem | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | oh so that's normal then | 17:04 |
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| Psi | mine is pretty tight, doesnt move at all | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | i still can't figure out why the designers picked two awkward positions | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | for the usb port, and the headphone jack | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | on the N97 the usb was on the bottom part | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | rebooting :/ | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | there might be many reasons | 17:06 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Remember, you are supposed to be using it horizontally :) | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | RF considerations | 17:06 |
| * RST38h avoids this altogether by using BT headphones | 17:06 | |
| RST38h | Doc: Naah, RF is all concentrated at the top edge of the device afaik | 17:06 |
| * noobmonk3y doesnt have any clicky issues any more, and has no issues with the odd usb port positioning :P hehe | 17:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: not really | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | iirc cellular antenna is near the headphone port ;p | 17:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Weird | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | it's clever, less radiation into your braaainz | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: native indians hardly had much respect for ecology as we now understand it | 17:08 |
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| Khertan | RST38h avoids this altogether by using BT headphones << and with bt headphones, how did you manage the to less powered battery ? | 17:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | almost all new phones are built that way - no (or less) interference to hearing aid as well | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: huh? | 17:09 |
| pupnik | i hope we see 5" screens when the smartphone market expands and diversifies | 17:09 |
| Khertan | bt headphone mean bt use ... so highter battery us | 17:09 |
| Khertan | usage :) | 17:09 |
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| Khertan | and to be honest i m still out of power :) | 17:10 |
| Psi | DocScrutinizer: ah, is that why gta01/02 gsm ant is at the bottom, always wondered why it was there | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: nope. BT and headphone amp might be roundabout same power demand | 17:10 |
| Khertan | pupnik, with 5" sized battery too :) | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | i get 4 hours battery life | 17:10 |
| nid0 | 5" screens might be a bit of a stretch | 17:10 |
| Psi | figured it was just so GPS ant could be at top facing upwards | 17:10 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, hu? you mean that using bt doesn't require more power than standart headphone ? | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: it may not | 17:11 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG_, i got 2 hours battery life when i use it :) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: exactly | 17:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Khertan: it depends on 'stuff'. | 17:11 |
| nid0 | quite probably, with BT the actual audio amp process is offloaded to the headphones | 17:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 17:12 |
| Khertan | interesting | 17:12 |
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| pupnik | Khertan: of course! 3Ah in a n810 sized device. with a 4 row keyboard occupying the full space | 17:12 |
| Khertan | maybe i should change my good old seinheiser headphone :) | 17:12 |
| pupnik | a true hacker / writer keyboard | 17:12 |
| Khertan | pupnik, 3Ah ... hum ... | 17:12 |
| pupnik | maybe 5 row | 17:13 |
| nid0 | 5row would be optimal | 17:13 |
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| crashanddie | the power on a jack plug is hardly very big. DocScrutinizer, have any stats on that? I would still be biased to believe that 60ohm (or whatever your headphones are rated at) would use less power than BT | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine if you could slide the display off the n900, and slide the keyboard onto a 6" portrait display. | 17:13 |
| pupnik | and with the larger space, using n900 sized keys would allow for maybe 80 keys! | 17:13 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: the headphone power use isn't the only part. | 17:14 |
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| Khertan | imagine ... if you replace the screen by a second keyboard ! you ll got 6 rows ! | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: you may need to power up a headphone amp chip and d/a that the BT don't need | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: what else wouldn't be used when headphones aren't plugged in (as opposed to BT) | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I'd guess(!) the whole hp-amp eats maybe 10..20mW. BT doesn't eat much more than that. Anyway it's both neglectable compared to total power consumption of device | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: and possibly the BT has internal buffering, so you can power down inbetween several samples | 17:15 |
| SpeedEvil | How do I play a wav, without involving pulseaudio? | 17:15 |
| aep | aplay | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: buffering on BT is non-existent. I was always under the impression that BT used more of a "UDP"-like send everything through and hope it arrives safely kind of transmission | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: (in the case of audio) | 17:16 |
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| crashanddie | this is quite noticeable by the time it takes for a BT headset to disconnect when it goes out of range -- the conversation is only disconnected after some lengthy time | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: buffering in the sense that instead of needing a 'packet' every 1/44000th of a second - BT is much less | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I do not mean it's an appreciable fraction of a second | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: then again, you could buffer the A/D conversion, and only keep the amp on then... no? | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless BT takes audio as a synchronous stream, no buffering | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes - but that's not done | 17:17 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 17:18 |
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| Khertan | anyway when i see the price of a good bt headphone | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway neither hp-amp nor BT take a noticable fraction of the device power consumption total | 17:19 |
| Khertan | it s a bit ten times the price of the same one without bt | 17:20 |
| fipu | Vanadis_Work : hoi | 17:20 |
| Khertan | anyway ... when i use my n900, i'm runnning out of power in two hours | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | during mp3 playback that is | 17:20 |
| Khertan | so maybe bt will not made a real difference | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | does it s use more cpu to use bt than standart headphone ? | 17:21 |
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| Khertan | for managing bt for example ? | 17:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Khertan: probably the same | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | aep: pulseaudio is still using lots of cpu when I do that | 17:23 |
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| aep | no clue. i killed pulse anyway | 17:23 |
| Khertan | hum i ask because most of the time i near limits to not have some scratch freeze in audio | 17:23 |
| aep | but aplay SHOULD be alsa only, unless maemo hacked it | 17:23 |
| Khertan | due to my use of my nit :) | 17:23 |
| matthew_ | Update coming any time soon?:) | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | aplay /home/user/out.wav | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ALSA lib pulse.c:272:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused | 17:24 |
| aep | ew | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | heh, the iPad is kosher, Israel lifted the ban :) | 17:24 |
| matthew_ | do we have the ovi maps yet? | 17:24 |
| matthew_ | on n900? | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: good news for you,you can buy one now! | 17:25 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: good read for you:http://www.amazon.com/Ecological-Indian-Myth-History/dp/0393321002 | 17:25 |
| aep | SpeedEvil: cp file.pcm /dev/audio | 17:25 |
| aep | in the hope they didnt hack that one too | 17:25 |
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| pupnik | crashanddie: nice | 17:26 |
| aep | SpeedEvil: wait, thats busybox. dont use cp >_< | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | aep: no dev/audio | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | that may be why | 17:27 |
| aep | i was on the wrong device. heh | 17:27 |
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| Khertan | uhuhuh uh !!! 196,25 Euros for not too bad bt headphone ! | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aep: (aplay) unless they inserted PA somewhere into the audiostack and the alsa device aplay uses is routed to a PA plugin | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | ouch ! | 17:28 |
| dneary | hi | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | i keep my cables :) | 17:28 |
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| aep | DocScrutinizer: they did. just tried that | 17:28 |
| aep | well SpeedEvil did | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | i know ;-P | 17:28 |
| RST38h | Khertan: BH-905? | 17:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | aplay -l | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | card 0: RX51 [RX51], device 0: AIC34 tlv320aic3x-I2S-0 [] | 17:29 |
| Khertan | PXC 310 BT | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | how do I tell it to use this | 17:29 |
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| Khertan | RST38h, a nokia headphone | 17:29 |
| Khertan | ? | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aplay -D plughw:0,0 ? | 17:30 |
| aep | i dont think you can. looks like aplay is not actually aplay | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aplay for sure is aplay | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | default alsa audio device isn't really a alsa device | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 17:31 |
| Khertan | RST38h, ouch the BH-905 price is worst :282,00 € | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | aha | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | aplay -D'hw:0,0' /home/user/out.wav | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | makes noises on the headphone port - after killing pa | 17:36 |
| aep | cool | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | softly - but that's fine for benchmarking | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: toldya | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | killing PA is needed because of PA probably opening the hw:0,0 alsa(!) output audiocard exclusively all the time | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Khertan: I got mine for $199US ;) | 17:40 |
| Khertan | RST38h, you didn't live in france :) | 17:40 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Ah, the land of SECAM... | 17:41 |
| Khertan | SACEM :) | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | The only format that actually required a delay line | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: take care, when output to speakers, you should include a lowpass or at very least a dc-offset balancer somewhere in your playback chain, as the amp for speakers is a D-class without any DC-rejection | 17:42 |
| Khertan | i'm talking of SACEM the autority that tax everythings that can be use to ear, listen pirated music :) | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Oh, this crap is everywhere nowadays | 17:42 |
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| Khertan | yep ... hard drive, cd, n900, memory, sd, headphone, | 17:43 |
| Khertan | nas | 17:43 |
| aep | how do you actually kill anything? whatever i kill, restarts | 17:43 |
| Khertan | internet access | 17:43 |
| Khertan | and i surely forgot something | 17:44 |
| RST38h | Can you at least pirate stuff, after paying the tax? =) | 17:44 |
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| Khertan | now ... still illegal :) | 17:44 |
| Khertan | no ... still illegal :) | 17:44 |
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| * SpeedEvil plays original pirate material. | 17:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | (the streets) | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | painfully got the PR1.2 keyboard installed | 17:45 |
| aep | and why does it reboot when you kill X >_< | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting. | 17:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | From a 0th cut measurement - aplay - playing a wav directly uses ~60% of the battery media player does | 17:46 |
| Khertan | i ve reflash my n900 try to install qt4.6 was a fail :) | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (same volume, to headphones | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aep: killing dbus is enough to reboot X-P | 17:46 |
| Khertan | SpeedEvil, and mp3 ? | 17:47 |
| aep | crap | 17:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | Khertan: playing mp3 - sorry | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Khertan: playing mp3 via media player - compared to wav | 17:47 |
| aep | SpeedEvil: thats a pretty unfair comparison | 17:47 |
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| MohammadAG | ok... it works in portrait mode | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I wasn't caring about the current way - just the - possibly - most powersaving way | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | very cramped, hacked into rotating | 17:47 |
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| MohammadAG | but it's good | 17:47 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: btw, where di you get your qwerty keymat? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: mompls | 17:48 |
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| Torne | MohammadAG: wait, what? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: www.saremi-mobilfunk.de | 17:49 |
| Torne | MohammadAG: you have a portrait osk using the files from the pr1.2 sdk? | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Torne, hacked into rotating | 17:49 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 17:49 |
| Torne | i don't know what you mean by that :) | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | np mate | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | Torne, use the python rotate script, or force it using another method | 17:49 |
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| Torne | oh. | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: to change the keymat you just need to open the 2 torx holding the kbd frame. I don't recommend to disassemble the two halves of the phone entirely (the 4 phillips scres) | 17:53 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: heh... they're generous "Ab 250 EUR Bestellwert versenden wir Ihre Bestellung DEUTSCHLANDWEIT versandkostenfrei!" at the exceptional delivery cost of 2.90 Euro, that's an incredibly offering :P | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:54 |
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| florian | Shapeshifter: heh... evil, where did you find this? | 17:56 |
| Anil_ | can somebody help me out with this? | 17:57 |
| Anil_ | # ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.pynTraceback (most recent call last):n File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3765, in <module>n main()n File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3754, in mainn wizard = InstallWizard()n File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 3655, in __init__n self.setPage(PageIdNokiaBins, NokiaBinsPage())n File "./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 1769, in __init__n | 17:57 |
| Shapeshifter | florian: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de | 17:57 |
| Khertan | Anil_, pastebin .... | 17:57 |
| Anil_ | what is that? | 17:58 |
| Shapeshifter | Anil_: www.pastie.org | 17:58 |
| Anil_ | http://www.pastie.org/935553 | 17:58 |
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| Anil_ | will that link do? | 17:59 |
| florian | Shapeshifter: ok it is easy not to buy anythign there ;-) | 18:00 |
| Shapeshifter | Anil_: read line 11. it tells you what is wrong right there. | 18:00 |
| Anil_ | i'm not much into python and qt | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | florian: it's hard to find a qwerty keymat anywhere else | 18:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | spare battery is hugely expensive. | 18:02 |
| Shapeshifter | but I'm just too much chicken to try out my hong kong battery | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw Nokia Repair shipped me a sylus for free :-D | 18:02 |
| florian | All N900 spare aprts seem to be quite expensive... | 18:02 |
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| Khertan | Anil_, are you trying to install the sdk ?. | 18:03 |
| Khertan | with gui installer ? | 18:03 |
| Anil_ | yeah | 18:03 |
| Anil_ | exactly | 18:03 |
| Khertan | on which distribution are you ? | 18:03 |
| Anil_ | its a fedora 12 | 18:03 |
| Anil_ | x64 | 18:03 |
| Treibholz | florian: cheaper than iPhone spare parts! | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a few of them are quite reasonably priced | 18:04 |
| Khertan | seems that the version of qt used haven't the same binding as the one install on your sys | 18:04 |
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| florian | Treibholz: heh true | 18:04 |
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| Anil_ | how can i check that up? | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g LCD | 18:05 |
| florian | btw.. now that there is Android for the iPhone we need Maemo for it! | 18:05 |
| Khertan | Anil_, the script will not work on fedora 12 | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | for less than 100 bucks, seems like a bargain to me | 18:05 |
| Khertan | but there is someone that explain how to modify it to use it | 18:05 |
| Anil_ | i was checking out some blog and they told me it runs fine | 18:05 |
| Khertan | let me 2s to ask google | 18:05 |
| Anil_ | sure | 18:05 |
| Khertan | http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/ | 18:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:05 |
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| Anil_ | got the script from the same site | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | never realized the browser has so much dependencies | 18:06 |
| Treibholz | Is there a way, to check the battery level on the CLI? | 18:06 |
| Khertan | Anil_, there is also this post : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=386373#post386373 | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: lshal|grep bat | 18:07 |
| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: thanks. | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 18:07 |
| Khertan | http://blog.gbraad.nl/2009/11/maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora-12.html | 18:07 |
| Khertan | Anil_, http://blog.gbraad.nl/2009/11/maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora-12.html | 18:07 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:07 |
| Anil_ | i get this error now | 18:07 |
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| Anil_ | http://www.pastie.org/935567 | 18:07 |
| Anil_ | i tried editing the file but made a mess of it | 18:08 |
| Khertan | yum install kernel-(PAE if you have it)-devel <<<< paranthesis should not be here | 18:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:08 |
| Anil_ | alright will give it a try =) | 18:08 |
| Anil_ | still getting the same error while executing the python script | 18:10 |
| dima202 | I feel like starting a new book today, can anyone recommend any literature? | 18:11 |
| Anil_ | Khertan,you still there? | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my virkiuitti : http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html | 18:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. should I really spend another 80 euros on my n900 ... | 18:17 |
| Shapeshifter | a keymat and a touchscreen. | 18:17 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe I should just mod the existing one | 18:18 |
| Shapeshifter | and 5 euros for a display protection is also less | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well the keymat was well worth it for me | 18:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | I keep hitting the wrong keys now that I changed my layout ^^ | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno why but I always hit the wrong button for cursor keys on wertzu. It happens it were exactly the right buttons for qwerty though | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now I always mix y and z | 18:23 |
| plastun | hello! goes N900 use only NAVSTAR (GPS) navigation system? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | have to remap those to german kbd layout :-P | 18:23 |
| plastun | or GLONASS too? | 18:23 |
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| juke_ | hi | 18:24 |
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| chem|st | plastun: what for? | 18:24 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: hi! :-) | 18:25 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: hi | 18:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | plastun: no GLONASS | 18:25 |
| plastun | SpeedEvil, thanks | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | plastun: also, no TRANSIT, LORAN-C. | 18:25 |
| plastun | it's not so cool | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | no galileo, vors or ndbs either | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | also, no navigation based on taking camera pictures of the night sky | 18:26 |
| juke_ | anybody know how to listen dbus event "status_changed" from any connection ? | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | mgedmin: orrery has a planetary compass | 18:26 |
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| chem|st | juke_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/Implementing_and_Using_D-Bus_Signals | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | juke_: seems there's 'an app for that' as well | 18:28 |
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| XS3 | trying to install the maemo sdk on fedora 12,keep getting this error http://www.pastie.org/935553 | 18:32 |
| XS3 | any help? | 18:33 |
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| corecode_ | SpeedEvil: did you ever pursue the usb host thing? | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | corecode_: I have regrettably other things to do | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | corecode_: more boring | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | XS3, from the error it appears you've got a different version of Qt, so the installation wizard fails | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | older versions of Maemo 5 SDK had a shell-based installation script | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | that one should work | 18:35 |
| XS3 | 5 itself? | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | corecode_: we have VBUS 99% sure, we have switching of termination resistors maybe 75% sure, and we have data-over-usb_no_matter_which_protocoll 100% sure | 18:35 |
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| XS3 | can you send me the link or something if you have it with you? | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | XS3, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | the dropdown has 3 choices: GUI, Scratchbox and SDK installer | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | try the last choice | 18:36 |
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| XS3 | thanks will give it a shot | 18:36 |
| mgedmin | there's also an installation guide | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | corecode_: so all it needs now are the correct drivers for hostmode protocol, and whatever simple script to enable VBUS | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | or you may want to try MADDE instead, I heard it's slicker | 18:37 |
| mgedmin | I haven't tried it (650 MB shell scripts scare me) | 18:37 |
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| XS3 | there is a problem | 18:37 |
| XS3 | using f12 | 18:37 |
| chem|st | XS3: you may just run the qemu | 18:37 |
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| XS3 | to rush the shell script? | 18:38 |
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| Mace_N900 | hello | 18:38 |
| chem|st | XS3: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images | 18:38 |
| XS3 | i'm trying hard to work without an emulator | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | sure | 18:40 |
| _Lucretia_ | XS3: well the emulator is pretty much useless as it cannot emulate the target correctly, like all Nokia emulators, I don't know why they bother | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ping | 18:40 |
| Shapeshifter | does someone know where desktop command execution widget keeps the saved commands? | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | microb's saying The application has been updated but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run | 18:41 |
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| Mace_N900 | whoa | 18:41 |
| XS3 | it is a little annoying fedora cant run this easily | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: queen beecon >desktop command ... | 18:41 |
| chem|st | I found my self cursing that fedora is a little anoying | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: ~.foobar ? | 18:42 |
| Mace_N900 | hm | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 18:42 |
| XS3 | but i dont want to go back to debian | 18:42 |
| Mace_N900 | can this thing do ssh x stuff? | 18:42 |
| Mace_N900 | i havent tried | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/queen-beecon/0.1.4/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=4f727672335511dfafabdf49b7cae29ae29a&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/4f727672335511dfafabdf49b7cae29ae29a/ | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: huh? | 18:43 |
| Mace_N900 | i should be able to have stuff xforwarded to my n900 shouldnt i? | 18:43 |
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| chem|st | Shapeshifter: .desktop_cmd_exec | 18:43 |
| XS3 | i cant run the shell script from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | Mace_N900, it works, but isn't very convenient, AFAICT | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's like command line widget, but shinier | 18:44 |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: thanks | 18:44 |
| Mace_N900 | ah ok | 18:44 |
| Mace_N900 | let me try it | 18:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | chem|st: nah it's not there | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I already looked in ~/.* and ~/.config/* but it's not there. | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aah failed to spot the queen-beecon inside this rubbish | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: gconf? :-o | 18:45 |
| Shapeshifter | eww gconf | 18:46 |
| Shapeshifter | meh. | 18:46 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: is there just the predef? | 18:46 |
| * Shapeshifter installs queen beecon | 18:46 | |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: there's nothing. I don't have such a file. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart gconf | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 18:47 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 18:47 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: mmh I just had a look... are you looking at /home/user/.desktop_cmd_exec ? | 18:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | chem|st: heh. nevermind I fail | 18:48 |
| Shapeshifter | it's there. | 18:48 |
| chem|st | found it? | 18:48 |
| chem|st | ok | 18:48 |
| chem|st | never look in to mydocs... | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't look into mydocs, I don't look into yours | 18:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | chem|st: nah I had 'cd' at the beginning that's why it didn't show up in tab completion | 18:49 |
| chem|st | ~slap DocScrutinizer | 18:50 |
| * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 18:50 | |
| andrewfblack | I think I'm going to work on a project for our N810/N800 users we have left | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought that's been Stskeeps' most proud duty | 18:51 |
| juke_ | chem|st, yes i allready read it, but it doesn't work http://pastebin.com/A8KTwTqE | 18:51 |
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| Mace_N900 | it works | 18:52 |
| Mace_N900 | :) | 18:52 |
| Mace_N900 | this n900 is so great | 18:52 |
| Mace_N900 | if i get a good office app and cups theres no more need for a laptop | 18:52 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | methinks there's cups somewhere... | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas a bit awkward as you can use lan-printers only | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | doc, they had it for maemo4 | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | thats fine | 18:54 |
| Mace_N900 | better tbh | 18:54 |
| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: what else do you want to use? BT? IR? | 18:55 |
| Mace_N900 | id rather use a standalone network printer over one hooked up | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: USB ftw!! | 18:55 |
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| Mace_N900 | haha | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 18:55 |
| Mace_N900 | naw.. printing over wifi works fine | 18:55 |
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| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: should work. | 18:56 |
| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: if you get USB-Host to work. | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I mentioned it ;-) | 18:56 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 18:56 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: solder it | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | no soldering involved | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the hw is ready for showtime | 18:57 |
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| Mace_N900 | hm | 18:57 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: pong? | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | microb's saying The application has been updated but your version of SQLite is too old and the application cannot run | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | 18:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 18:58 |
| timeless_mbp | what did you do? | 18:58 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you sure? or did you bond the last pin already | 18:58 |
| Treibholz | why do you all want to stick even more cables in this little device! | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: about 99.5% sure | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, something that I should've have done/be doing | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | putting that aside... | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/storage/src/mozStorageService.cpp#83 | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: let me put it this way: we put Openmoko FR USB-host to operation | 18:59 |
| timeless_mbp | why should i put that aside? :) | 18:59 |
| Khertan | HUHU There is finally a maemo device with extra large display !!!! : http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs276.snc3/27954_385357045677_628300677_3987679_746814_n.jpg | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I got the schematics of N900, and I think the hw is fine | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | cause I shouldn't be doing it :) | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: roughly: "don't downgrade sqlite" and "don't upgrade microb without ensuring your version of sqlite is compatible" | 19:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: you should be able to find out the version of sqlite that microb requires | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, well it is compatible | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: doubtful | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | apt-cache show | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | we don't bump sqlite versions needlessly | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | I upgraded it | 19:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: well if it isn't bonded to the chip it wont work | 19:00 |
| timeless_mbp | we bump them because we *need* changes to sqlite | 19:00 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: what happened to the package manager? | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: what? | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, you don't bump them in extras-devel :) | 19:01 |
| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: ? | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | but you do bump them somewhere else :) | 19:01 |
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| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: if microb needs a newer sqlite, it should depend on it | 19:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i'd hope it does... | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: there's no such thing like an unbonded pin we would *need* for USB-host | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ii libsqlite3-0 3.6.14-1maemo3 SQLite 3 shared library | 19:02 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: my device isn't current | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: there *might* be hw issues with OTG, but honestly who cares about OTG at all? | 19:02 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: then go ahead ;) you will make many ppl happy | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: apt-cache show microb-engine|grep sqlite | 19:03 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: woot | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | if there isn't a dependency listed for sqlite, please file a bug | 19:03 |
| * timeless_mbp can't find one | 19:03 | |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, basically my device is like yours right now | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: doubtful | 19:03 |
| timeless_mbp | mine is a bit out of date | 19:03 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, :) | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | I won't file a bug, since I obviously brought this upon myself | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | (think PR1.2) | 19:03 |
| Treibholz | but what is the realistic use of a usb-host? | 19:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: if there isn't a version dependency between microb-engine and sqlite | 19:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and if we depend on system sqlite, then that's a bug <period> | 19:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | pr1.2 isn't really related | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I'd need a kernel wizard to supply the ohci drivers to swap them for the musb | 19:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: many. | 19:05 |
| andrewfblack | anyone got a copy of the Diablo template.svg around. Can't find it in my dropbox and theme maker 1.1 doesn't come with svg format of template | 19:05 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: tell me one. | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or something like that, probably you can tell from this sentence I'm not that wizard | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: for example - plugging in a 1tb disk. | 19:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: Or a USB keyboard. Or a webcam, or ... | 19:05 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: great idea! for ten minutes and the battery is empty. | 19:06 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: keyboard is better with BT | 19:06 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:06 | |
| * timeless_mbp will file | 19:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: Or perhaps more interestingly - a USB screen adaptor | 19:06 |
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| Treibholz | webcam? the n900 has two cameras! | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | a compass | 19:06 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd like to plug in a digital compass. | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: it's interesting - generally - in the case where it's plugged into a charger - so battery doesn't come into it. | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | an IrDA dongle | 19:06 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: same here they must have a different device | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | a simple card-reader | 19:07 |
| Shapeshifter | oh yes | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | a decent Camera | 19:07 |
| Kegetys | or a joystick! http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg ;) | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, file what? | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | don't file anything! | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: (bat flat) that's what a y-cable is for | 19:07 |
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| stonda | Kegetys: haha | 19:08 |
| * Khertan just discover that git.kernel.org contain non-free content ... | 19:08 | |
| Khertan | ouch | 19:08 |
| Khertan | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.28.y.git;a=blob;f=drivers/net/wan/wanxlfw.inc_shipped | 19:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: cam? use SDIO-cards! | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | in companion with externally powered host mode | 19:08 |
| Khertan | everybody claim that maemo is far from being 100% free | 19:08 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: the only usefull scenario I can see is storage for data-exchange without another machine. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: it's ~43% free | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe my G6 isn't remote controllable via SD-card | 19:09 |
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| chem|st | as you arent able to supply power you need an external PSU | 19:09 |
| Khertan | but from what i see ... none of the three most used distributions aren't too ... | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: fine. You don't have to use it. I - personally - would find it very useful. | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan: well, firmware is one thing | 19:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: plug n900 into a USB hub, with a keyboard, USB monitor adaptor, and soundcard, and you've got a basic workstation. | 19:09 |
| Khertan | but from what i see ... none of the three most used distributions aren't too ... (ubuntu, fedora, mandriva) aren't totally free too | 19:09 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: and USB-RAM? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | well | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | redistributable firmware is probably the least evil | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:10 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: a very slow workstation | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, much faster than my CF27 | 19:10 |
| frals | MohammadAG: you installing all the packages from SDK on your device? | 19:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | chem|st: Slow - perhaps. | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | frals, I've done it before, but I kinda borked a part of it | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | you have been up drinking in .fi until 4am? | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: adequate for many tasks - sure | 19:11 |
| Treibholz | chem|st: I think my standard workstation-setup wouldn't be that slow, as long as you use everything else via ssh. | 19:11 |
| Khertan | Stskeeps, maybe ... maybe not ... we didn't know what it's contain ... | 19:12 |
| chem|st | without PSU you are bound to some minutes of use and it is getting interesting on the go but everywhere I need a proper workstation I got one... | 19:12 |
| Kegetys | usb host would also allow controlling dslr cameras and see the live view with the high resolution display | 19:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but the KILLER usecase: I want my usb-fan X-P | 19:12 |
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| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: or refrigerator/cup-warmer. | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well, yeah | 19:13 |
| Kegetys | or usb vacuum cleaner | 19:13 |
| pupnik | argh dell streak only has 1500 mAh | 19:13 |
| Treibholz | pupnik: I get only 500 here... | 19:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | even my old Psion 5MX had a coffee machine! | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | Treibholz: what? 500 mAh where? | 19:14 |
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| Treibholz | pupnik: maemo.charger.type = 'host 500 mA' (string) | 19:15 |
| Kegetys | is it possible by the way to make the device appear as a custom usb device when plugged into a computer? like emulating a displaylink usb monitor | 19:15 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: true, for ppl like you and me who Xfwd just anything and use X to have several terminals and a mouse-buffer | 19:15 |
| chem|st | reminds me that I got to go home and fix my openGL... | 19:16 |
| Shapeshifter | http://utenti.multimania.it/epocoffee/hard.html see | 19:16 |
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| MohammadAG | damn, my N900's kind of hot | 19:17 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Torrent? | 19:17 |
| frals | Stskeeps: ;D | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, nope, don't torrent stuff on it (in fact I don't torrent at all) | 19:18 |
| nid0 | my device doesnt like transmission very much | 19:18 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Ah! The pious one! | 19:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Kegetys: yes. You just need to load the appropriate usb-gadget driver. HJowever, I'm not sure anyone has written a usb-gaget-displaylink adaptor | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Kegetys: it would be interesting | 19:20 |
| matthew_ | guys are you as let down as I am | 19:20 |
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| chem|st | Kegetys: that and serving just easy as an USB-LAN device and so on | 19:20 |
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| matthew_ | still no update | 19:21 |
| matthew_ | still no maps | 19:21 |
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| nid0 | my device seems to have a maps application | 19:21 |
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| nid0 | maybe you should reflash yours | 19:21 |
| chem|st | matthew_: stop moan and fight! | 19:21 |
| Kegetys | would be nice, though I wonder how fast the N900 can read/write the usb bus | 19:21 |
| peetah | exit | 19:21 |
| peetah | oops | 19:22 |
| matthew_ | nid0: maps yes, not the new ovi maps available on any other device | 19:22 |
| matthew_ | ;d | 19:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Kegetys: it flashes at ~10Mbytes/s IIRC | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: depends on the drivers you associate to the USB | 19:22 |
| chem|st | matthew_: that wont come with pr1.2 | 19:22 |
| Kegetys | I think the real displaylink devices push quite close to the usb 2.0 limit | 19:22 |
| nid0 | why would you expect Maemo to have Synbian's maps application, exactly? | 19:22 |
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| nid0 | and when have nokia ever even suggested it would? | 19:22 |
| matthew_ | chem|st: do we have an idea when 1.2 ? | 19:22 |
| matthew_ | nid0: let me find it | 19:23 |
| chem|st | like hurd... pretty soon | 19:23 |
| chem|st | matthew_: you wont find it.... | 19:23 |
| matthew_ | ofc i will | 19:23 |
| matthew_ | it was Coming soon | 19:23 |
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| chem|st | matthew_: nokia never did | 19:23 |
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| matthew_ | chem|st: ovi maps 3.03 ? | 19:24 |
| matthew_ | Yesterday’s announcement that Ovi Maps 3.03 is set to offer free navigation caused a big stir in the industry, but enthusiasm was tempered somewhat by the fact that updated versions of Ovi Maps will initially only be supported by 10 smartphones. If you’re a Nokia N900 user, which runs Maemo 5 rather than Symbian, thankfully support is on its way. Read on to find out more… | 19:24 |
| slonopotamus | it would be funny if pr1.2 never came out :) | 19:24 |
| nid0 | matthew_, so whats your source for that | 19:25 |
| matthew_ | At present, the latest version of Ovi Maps only runs on Symbian-based devices, with a limited number of handsets supported. With 10 models supporting the new app at present, Nokia is rolling out support for other models in the coming days and weeks, and you can expect to find the Nokia N900 among the smartphones set to benefit. | 19:25 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: for some definition of funny | 19:25 |
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| matthew_ | nid0: when u used to go | 19:25 |
| matthew_ | to ovi store from ur device | 19:25 |
| matthew_ | and ovi maps was avaiable to click on | 19:25 |
| matthew_ | then it came out as Available soon | 19:26 |
| matthew_ | nid0: The new Nokia Ovi Maps free navigation update is live now for ten Symbian S60 smartphones, but if you’ve just slapped down for the Maemo fueled Nokia N900, don’t worry: Espoo has confirmed you’ll be getting that free satnav goodness shortly too. | 19:26 |
| matthew_ | At the press conference announcing the news this morning, Nokia executive vice president Anssi Vanjoki confirmed that the Nokia N900, which runs Maemo 5, a different operating system to most Nokia smartphones, will eventually support the free turn by turn service too. | 19:26 |
| nid0 | I never saw that, and what you just posted seems to clearly be a reporter's/blogger's speculation to me, not anything from nokia | 19:26 |
| nid0 | see that word "eventually" in there? | 19:27 |
| slonopotamus | hehe | 19:27 |
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| chem|st | 'will eventually support' | 19:27 |
| matthew_ | Anssi Vanjoki, Nokia’s executive vice president, announced in a press conference this morning that although Nokia N900 which runs on Maemo 5, a different operating system than most Nokia smartphones, the free turn by turn service will be available for its users too. | 19:28 |
| matthew_ | http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/02/24/has-nokia-forgotten-about-the-n900/ | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | eventually = never? | 19:28 |
| chem|st | pointing the maps thingi on ovi to n900 brings up that it is pre installed... | 19:28 |
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| matthew_ | nid0: I saw it | 19:28 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: something like that | 19:28 |
| matthew_ | check the press release of 3.03 | 19:28 |
| nid0 | ovi maps 3.03 has nothing to do with maemo | 19:29 |
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| nid0 | theyre different pieces of software for different operating systems, they just happen to share a name | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: as likely as flash 10 or properly working front camera, yep? :) | 19:29 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: front cam is working and afaik video call is coming with 1.2 | 19:29 |
| Disconnect | any maemo.org admins around? need to recover my old account (or at least i'd like to) btu I don't know what the email was.. | 19:29 |
| matthew_ | I'm saying bye to n900 in a month :< | 19:30 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: no it doesn't. | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: garbage that it produces can't be called 'working' | 19:30 |
| matthew_ | maybe in a few months when they will come out with better software | 19:30 |
| matthew_ | or meego device ill come back to nokia | 19:30 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: ??? my frontcam works like a charm and with a script I take pictures... | 19:30 |
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| Disconnect | matthew_: there is an android port in progress ;) | 19:30 |
| matthew_ | but for now, it's goe for me | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 19:30 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: amsn has video call... | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: gimme your script, i'll take a shot | 19:31 |
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| chem|st | slonopotamus: install healthcheck | 19:31 |
| matthew_ | Disconnect: I dont know what to get really | 19:31 |
| Shapeshifter | matthew_: so, what have you learned? "don't buy a device depending on promises or expectations" | 19:31 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: broken deps, no wai | 19:32 |
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| matthew_ | Shapeshifter: yeah | 19:32 |
| Shapeshifter | matthew_: well then, farewell. | 19:32 |
| nid0 | well, more important than that is not to buy a device based on unsubstantiated unofficial promises or *false* expectations | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, The next bugday is planned for April 2010. | 19:32 |
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| nid0 | we need more testing marathons | 19:33 |
| nid0 | and testers. | 19:33 |
| matthew_ | I dare to say I had n900 earlier than most of you, was one of the first to get hackbox in my hands | 19:33 |
| matthew_ | and i didnt have many expectations | 19:33 |
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| matthew_ | the device works well | 19:33 |
| matthew_ | but you can get much more from different ones | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | how i understand which repo package comes from with apt-get? | 19:33 |
| nid0 | you dont | 19:34 |
| matthew_ | cant even run a div'x smoothly | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: maybe a 'tip us some maemo news' form on mwkn? | 19:34 |
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| matthew_ | video recording is poor | 19:34 |
| matthew_ | even omnia released like a year before records in 720p | 19:35 |
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| lcukn900 | matthew_ i dare to say i had it longggg before even you | 19:35 |
| matthew_ | lcukn900: maybe, but doubt sooo long ;) | 19:35 |
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| nid0 | a cameraphone that "records in 720p" is fuck all more than a marketing advert and has essentially no relevance whatsoever to the actual quality of video it records | 19:35 |
| matthew_ | nid0: what about playing videos? | 19:36 |
| matthew_ | normal divx | 19:36 |
| matthew_ | if ill plug it to my TV its soo choppy | 19:36 |
| nid0 | what about them, I use my device to play videos on the device and on my and my girlfriend's tv all the time | 19:36 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: gst-launch v4l2camsrc num-buffers=1 ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=640,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=test.jpg | 19:36 |
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| nid0 | was using it daily for a month and a half while my archos tablet was getting repaired | 19:36 |
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| nid0 | it plays them all perfectly | 19:37 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: doesnt work in dark room | 19:37 |
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| matthew_ | nid0: on mine ist choppy | 19:37 |
| lcukn900 | nid0 tv out is amazing | 19:37 |
| nid0 | sucks for you then I guess, on mine it's perfect | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: gst-lauch not found | 19:37 |
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| chem|st | try /usr/bin/gst-launch | 19:37 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: that's on path. no, i don't have it anywhere | 19:38 |
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| chem|st | set location to /home/user/MyDocs/test.jpg | 19:40 |
| matthew_ | nid0: yeah, well its slow | 19:40 |
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| chem|st | slonopotamus: ah you mean you dont have gst-launch? | 19:40 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: exactly | 19:41 |
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| chem|st | ??? | 19:41 |
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| chem|st | apt-get install gstreamer-tools | 19:43 |
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| Treibholz | mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 | 19:43 |
| slonopotamus | ok, installed it | 19:43 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: I've done things like that before - they tend to get painful with spambots pretty quickly :-( | 19:44 |
| Treibholz | works perfectly! | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: captcha? :P | 19:44 |
| chem|st | Treibholz: what I say | 19:45 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: it just produces black image :/ | 19:45 |
| Treibholz | 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror' and you may shave yourself! | 19:45 |
| chem|st | put it to a light source | 19:45 |
| * slonopotamus goes for a short trip to sun | 19:46 | |
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| * GAN900 lols @ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=627007 | 19:46 | |
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| slonopotamus | oh my | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: how short? | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: !!! | 19:47 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: it take shots from back camera | 19:47 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: !!! | 19:47 |
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| chem|st | mmh | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: and i was talking about broken front one | 19:48 |
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| pwnguin | yay, replacement stylii back in stock | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | everything ws black because shutter was closed :) | 19:48 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: false alarm | 19:48 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: oops missing a "device=/dev/video1" after v4l2camsrc | 19:48 |
| slonopotamus | k | 19:49 |
| chem|st | have you mplayer installed? | 19:49 |
| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: i'm supposed to visit oracle née Sun sometime this week | 19:50 |
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| chem|st | slonopotamus: does it work now? | 19:53 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: yep, however i don't have enough light currently to produce something viewable with it | 19:53 |
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| slonopotamus | well | 19:54 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: well its just a test, install mplayer and try what Treibholz said | 19:54 |
| slonopotamus | chem|st: it's _much_ better than what mirror app shows | 19:55 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: that changed over time | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aspect ratio is kinda odd for me | 19:55 |
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| slonopotamus | chem|st: what do you mean by 'over time'? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | with 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror' | 19:56 |
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| chem|st | the first captures I saw where terrible so with the last pr release there was a driver fix as well | 19:56 |
| chem|st | and mplayer shows an acceptable picture for a webcam (continuous) | 19:57 |
| slonopotamus | no, i have total crap with mirror app _right now_ | 19:57 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: never checked that I just purged it as I dont need it | 19:58 |
| chem|st | but mplayer works aswell | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | k | 19:58 |
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| chem|st | gotta go | 19:58 |
| chem|st | byebye | 19:58 |
| slonopotamus | bye | 19:59 |
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| Nyler | hi guys, is develpment 4 n800 finished, or will peeps still make apps? | 20:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | people are free to do whatever they like | 20:09 |
| Shapeshifter | what a cool answer | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | most people probably are unlikely to work on maemo4/4.1 | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | the userbase for n800/n810 can't grow as nokia is no longer producing them | 20:09 |
| timeless_mbp | typically people work on things where the userbase has a potential for growth | 20:10 |
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| Nyler | yes when money is to be made, but has the n800 software development, ever been bout money | 20:11 |
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| * timeless_mbp is pretty sure the potential userbase for the n900 is at least 10x the size of the n800/n810, quite possibly much larger | 20:11 | |
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| timeless_mbp | fame before fortune! | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | and also if you're a dev, you tend to want to work on modern software, especially software where if there's a problem w/ the underlying bits, you have a better chance of reporting a bug and getting it fixed | 20:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | the older the base software, the worse the chances of an engineer managing to convince someone to fix it | 20:12 |
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| andrewfblack | Nyler: I'm working on a new maemo4 Theme right now | 20:13 |
| * timeless_mbp should update some n900 packages | 20:13 | |
| Nyler | was watchin n900 unboxing on you tube, i was in awe | 20:14 |
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| lcukn900 | nyler did you see the hacker box versiona. | 20:14 |
| lcukn900 | version? even | 20:15 |
| Nyler | yes it was awesome | 20:15 |
| Nyler | want 1 bigtime | 20:15 |
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| petteri | just today, I saw a couple of non nerdy looking teenage girls using n900, so i would guess that n900 has sold quite well here in finland :D | 20:15 |
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| lcukn900 | lol | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | Nyler: N810 was "finished" like 2 years ago | 20:15 |
| lcukn900 | did they have pink cases? | 20:15 |
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| ToJa92 | I have not seen anyone here in my town using an N900 :( | 20:16 |
| lcukn900 | tracy has a jelly and a hard case for hers | 20:16 |
| Nyler | free on 30 pound month, 24 month contract uk | 20:16 |
| Treibholz | lcukn900: 'mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 -vf mirror' | 20:16 |
| petteri | sadly no pink cases :D | 20:16 |
| Treibholz | lcukn900: you can use it as a mirror! | 20:16 |
| lcukn900 | but im thinking of spraying it cos neither are perfect | 20:16 |
| lcukn900 | use what as a mirror? the n900? | 20:16 |
| ToJa92 | possibly because it has been advertised about ~0 times | 20:16 |
| Treibholz | lcukn900: yes. | 20:16 |
| lcukn900 | easier to download mirror surely | 20:16 |
| lcukn900 | cos i havent got mplayer | 20:17 |
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| ToJa92 | can you save the mplayer output to the disk somehow? | 20:17 |
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| Treibholz | ToJa92: with mencoder | 20:18 |
| Treibholz | should work. | 20:19 |
| Nyler | this n800 will have to do for while. is the meamo site the only place to get apps? | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | App Manager is still slow on PR1.2 | 20:19 |
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| MohammadAG | it was my i5 | 20:19 |
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| lcukn900 | moh its processing thousands of apps from multiple repos | 20:19 |
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| lcukn900 | disable the ones you dont use | 20:19 |
| lcukn900 | save memory cpu battery sanity | 20:20 |
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| Nyler | whats the battery like on n900 | 20:20 |
| ToJa92 | its like one, and if you're lucky, two days | 20:20 |
| ToJa92 | one day* | 20:20 |
| lcukn900 | very pretty, good looking design | 20:21 |
| ToJa92 | depends on usage, though | 20:21 |
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| kevloral | Hi all | 20:21 |
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| lcukn900 | slots easily into device | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | lcukn900, I know, but on the SDK it was faster than before so I thought it was fixed | 20:21 |
| zgoldberg | X-Fade: ping | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | installed PR1.2 packages from my cache, and it's the same speed | 20:21 |
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| petteri | without the IM accounts connected my batter lasts about two days | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | also updated apt-utils | 20:21 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Always nice to feel valued. Especially the "you're not forum focused enough!" | 20:22 |
| lcukn900 | moh mmmn not sure its likely to be combination of things | 20:22 |
| Nyler | i dont mind plugging in each nite though,next to me ready for action. | 20:22 |
| zgoldberg | X-Fade: having an issue with the autobuilder. pygi builds OK but then the debs never show up on maemo.org/packages. (http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pygi/0.5+GIT20100424-1maemo2/) | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | zgoldberg, give it time... | 20:23 |
| lcukn900 | i plug in when im at desk but when im not its rare im hunting for power points on normal device | 20:23 |
| zgoldberg | MohammadAG: its been 3 days | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | oh that's a lot of time then | 20:23 |
| zgoldberg | usually it takes like 30 mins or so | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | yeah I know | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | I thought you never uploaded before | 20:24 |
| zgoldberg | nope, done a whole bunch =P | 20:24 |
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| lcukn900 | thats lag if ever i heard it lol | 20:24 |
| zgoldberg | I'm pretty sure something broke | 20:24 |
| zgoldberg | the built .deb never showed up in the repo either | 20:25 |
| zgoldberg | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pygi/ is empty | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: I get easily ~2.5 days, connected to wifi, with ssh active. | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: 'normal' use - for me - maybe 24 hours. | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: It can be flattened in ~3-4h of heavy 3g use though | 20:26 |
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| ToJa92 | [SpeedEvil]: I'm connected to 3G the entire day and I usually charge it the entire night... I could disable it and probably get another day though. | 20:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | By active, I mean continual data | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | say streaming radio | 20:26 |
| Nyler | sound | 20:26 |
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| ToJa92 | well, continual data streaming would kill most devices pretty fast, I guess | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's actually not terrible on 2g | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | but... | 20:29 |
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| summel | the backup application does not work on my friends n900, but it works on mine... | 20:31 |
| summel | also his sdhc card gets mountet ro after he reboots | 20:31 |
| summel | and he then reformatted it but backups still didnt work and the memory card fs got corrupted again | 20:31 |
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| frals | does the memcard work fine elsewhere? | 20:32 |
| summel | yes | 20:33 |
| summel | he has some music and SIDs on it that play fine | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | did you try chkdsk? :) | 20:33 |
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| summel | hmmm i'll ask him once he is out of the bathroom ^^ | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | fsck ftw :P | 20:34 |
| summel | is that preinstalled on the n900? | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it comes with windows | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | fsck.vfat | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (chkdsk) | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | summel: sd cards are interesting critters | 20:34 |
| summel | also i guess the fs should be fine if it is freshly formatted oO | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | (you need to be as root however) | 20:34 |
| timeless_mbp | they're often not implemented according to the standard | 20:34 |
| summel | he said there is no fsck oO but i will try | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | summel, as root there is | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | summel: you'd want to have it check the whole volume, not just a fast check | 20:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | the goal is to detect and mark bad sectors | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: seen http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 ? | 20:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | no? | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# fsck.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | e2fsck 1.41.3.maemo0 (12-Oct-2008) | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk1p1 is mounted. | 20:35 |
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| summel | hm ok he probably tried it as a normal user then | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | SD card forensics | 20:35 |
| summel | but i will tell him :) | 20:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: reading, very cool | 20:36 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 20:42 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, yeah, yeah, Mr. I-Get-20-Hearts-a-Week-on-Planet. :P | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/aB2pyWEh | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | (cc DocScrutinizer51) | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mohammadag: hmm... | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, yeah Mr "I was practicly top of the karma charts for 3 years" ;-) | 21:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, damn the Bugzilla nerfing! :( | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I can't dial 911 lmao | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | I broke the phone app | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | but PR1.1.9 is now installed | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | I just need the version bump now | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you'll feel depressed when PR1.2 is released tomorrow morning ;-) | 21:04 |
| summel | can i somehow install the qt version from the "normal" n900 repository in the sdk? | 21:04 |
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| * MohammadAG quotes DocScrutinizer51 in a "PR1.2 RELEASE DATE LEAKED" thread | 21:05 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I downgrade using apt ;) | 21:06 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You should join the MWKN contributor cabal. We all know when it's going to be released, but we don't like sharing info... despite, err, writing a news digest. | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm not really desperate :P | 21:06 |
| * MohammadAG looks for a sign up button | 21:06 | |
| MohammadAG | jk :P | 21:07 |
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| dimitra | helo, how I setup clutter in scratchbox plz? | 21:07 |
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| * RST38h looks at Jaffa inquiringly, considering thermorectal cryptoanalysis | 21:07 | |
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| * MohammadAG doesn't know what RST38h just said | 21:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (downgrade via apt) good question. I knew that mazbe end of last year | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | except for the looks part | 21:08 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Latest crackpot tmo theory. | 21:09 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, you're holding out on us and we all know it! | 21:10 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: It's going to be delivered by apt-tachyon, whoch is the reason for the delay. PR1.1.5 will enable that, and then we'll get PR1.2 two weeks ago. | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | s/whoch/which/ | 21:12 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: GAN900: It's going to be delivered by apt-tachyon, which is the reason for the delay. PR1.1.5 will enable that, and then we'll get PR1.2 two weeks ago. | 21:12 |
| frals | :D | 21:12 |
| Corsac | using apt-ipot? | 21:12 |
| summel | apt-fluxcapacitor | 21:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, is it getting released this decade? | 21:13 |
| * MohammadAG hopes for a yes | 21:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, the Hong Kong announcement says it'll be released there on the 29th. | 21:16 |
| dimitra | helo, how I setup clutter in scratchbox plz? | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, but there != here :) | 21:16 |
| Jaffa | PR1.2 can only be got by accelerating to 88mph and supplying 1.21GW to your N900. Then of the overclocking you could get with that much power! | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, why 88? | 21:17 |
| Jaffa | s/Then/Think/ | 21:17 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: PR1.2 can only be got by accelerating to 88mph and supplying 1.21GW to your N900. Think of the overclocking you could get with that much power! | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | oooh crap | 21:17 |
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| MohammadAG | libhildon1 is in nokia-binaries | 21:17 |
| * MohammadAG doesn't have access to those | 21:17 | |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88mph you're hoing to see some serious shit. | 21:18 |
| korhojoa | Jaffa: a burning N900? | 21:18 |
| * MohammadAG accelerates to 88 | 21:18 | |
| MohammadAG | nope, nothing different | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG | who's on PR1.1.1 here? | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | (seriously) | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: You need to supply 1.21GW too, remember. | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | I want the libhildon1 version | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: yup | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh I missed that | 21:20 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: 2.2.3-1+0m5 | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, thanks! | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | I should've kept version numbers :s | 21:21 |
| wazd1 | woo, I'm going to SPB to meet Jeremiah :) | 21:22 |
| Jaffa | wazd1: Buy him a beer from me | 21:22 |
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| andrewfblack | Jaffa: Don't see much plutonium for sale anymore | 21:22 |
| wazd1 | Jaffa: sure :) | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: Hmm, I was sure you'd be able to walk into any corner drug store and buy it. However, I guess it's a little harder to come by. | 21:23 |
| * Jaffa looks for some Libyans. | 21:23 | |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, so, I hear you've been repatriated back into the UK. :P | 21:24 |
| andrewfblack | Jaffa: just get a Mr Fusion, then you can use soda and banana peels | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, sure, but it seems unlikely that we'd see a Hong Kong release before a Global release. | 21:24 |
| dimitra | I installed scratchbox from nokia's tutorial with fremantle.. I can compile gtk/hildon/gst libs, but not clutter .. anyone can help? | 21:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I mean, if it's good enough for HK, why wouldn't it be good enough for us? | 21:24 |
| VDVsx | wazd1, hopbeat is there as well | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | andrewfblack: Only 5 years to wait! | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, cause it's made in China! | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:25 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: ?? | 21:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | andrewfblack, sorry, there's another Andrew Black on Planet. | 21:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles did a double-take when I saw his nametag at LFSF | 21:25 | |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: He must leave their can not be 2 of use | 21:25 |
| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: did you snatch it off his shirt and say YOUR NOT ANDREW BLACK!!! | 21:26 |
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| andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles: you have to go to SELF now no excuss if you went to LFSF | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:26 |
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| andrewfblack | btw its the F that makes me special | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, hey, Nokia paid my way to SF | 21:28 |
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| * GAN900 laughs at people still using WinCE and getting 4-6 hours out of a tablet device. | 21:29 | |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: I was hoping to see Nokia pay for lots of things like that but I have long given up on idea of Outreach Group | 21:29 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# dpkg -r --force-all hildon-input-method tablet-browser-ui *sniff* | 21:30 |
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| |R | PR1.1.5 ? what? | 21:31 |
| Corsac | PR1.31415927 | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | nothing | 21:32 |
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| GAN900 | |R, everytime you say its name, Nokia delays another 12 hours. | 21:32 |
| |R | sweet, long term support! | 21:32 |
| |R | :P | 21:32 |
| MohammadAG | my menu feels empty | 21:33 |
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| dimitra | someone helps me to set up clutter in scratchbox plz? | 21:34 |
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| wazd1 | VDVsx: wow :) | 21:35 |
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| wazd1 | VDVsx: that will be like quasi-summit for me :D | 21:35 |
| VDVsx | lol | 21:35 |
| GAN900 | wazd1, by the way, we cancelled all future Summits. | 21:35 |
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| VDVsx | wazd1, still no passport ? | 21:36 |
| GAN900 | wazd1, so even if you can get out of the country, there's nowhere for you to go. :P | 21:36 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, funny, wonder how this is done: http://freshhand.livejournal.com/14622.html | 21:36 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, yeah, and the budgets will be rerouted to my account ;D | 21:37 |
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| frals | nice VDVsx is buying lunch tomrorow then! | 21:37 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, psh, you aint chair anymore. Clearly Nokia will be buying Jaffa a new yacht. | 21:37 |
| VDVsx | well, it summit budget will be more than lunch :D | 21:37 |
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| GAN900 | We hope. | 21:38 |
| VDVsx | S/it/with/ | 21:38 |
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| dimitra | none use clutter here? :( | 21:38 |
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| wazd1 | VDVsx: no, actually I have pasport now :) | 21:38 |
| wazd1 | GAN900: and killing license too :D | 21:39 |
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| VDVsx | wazd1, so take the train from SP to Helsinki and I'll pay you a beer :D eheh | 21:39 |
| VDVsx | killing license might be handy ;) | 21:39 |
| wazd1 | VDVsx: are you in Hel(l) now? :D | 21:39 |
| VDVsx | yup in Hell :D | 21:40 |
| * VDVsx hides | 21:40 | |
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| wazd1 | VDVsx: then why don't you come to SPB? :) | 21:40 |
| VDVsx | work :( | 21:40 |
| GAN900 | lol | 21:40 |
| GAN900 | Fail | 21:40 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, clearly you took the wrong position. Work and drinking with Maemo people should coincide. :P | 21:41 |
| andrewfblack | thats it Maemo4 Mameo-org theme is done | 21:41 |
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| VDVsx | GAN900, my license is only for the weekends or when abroad :D | 21:42 |
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| MohammadAG | what would happen if I removed dpkg? :p | 21:45 |
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| Mousey | Bad Things(tm) | 21:45 |
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| MohammadAG | would it even remove itself? | 21:45 |
| squidd | how can something rly remove itself :O | 21:46 |
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| MohammadAG | type /part and you'll see :P | 21:47 |
| BCMM | what does a white ! on a red circle, in my status area, mean? | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, unable to connect to one or more accounts, and you're "busy" | 21:47 |
| timeless_mbp | presence errors | 21:47 |
| BCMM | ah | 21:48 |
| BCMM | yeah, it has indeed failed to connect to one of my accounts | 21:48 |
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| * noobmonk3y grumbles at x-chat telling me i have finished my 30 day trial......... grrrrrrrr | 21:49 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, XChat 2 | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | basically, xchat is open source | 21:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh not got time for that 15 mins before i go out trying to sort something in healthcheck | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | so someone just compiled it | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.silverex.org/news/ | 21:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | w00t_: are you alive? :D | 21:50 |
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| GAN900 | noobmonk3y, punishment for using Windows. | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | The SDK repo is useful for recovery! | 21:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol GAN900 | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | I successfully updated to PR1.crippled2 and downgraded to 1.1.1 :D http://pastebin.com/YiTLRzxH | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | (had to manually remove broken packages) | 21:52 |
| BCMM | noobmonk3y: a windows build of x-chat? | 21:53 |
| BCMM | or is the maemo one like that? | 21:53 |
| noobmonk3y | this is the web version | 21:54 |
| noobmonk3y | while i dload another version of xchat | 21:54 |
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| MohammadAG | scratch that, it reinstalled PR1.2 | 21:54 |
| BCMM | noobmonk3y: no, i mean the version with the trial | 21:54 |
| BCMM | anyway, if it's windows, there are some less well-known builds that just work | 21:54 |
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| BCMM | i think the official line is that building stuff for windows is annoying and expensive | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | oh windows xchat | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | http://xchat.org/windows/#register | 21:55 |
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| BCMM | noobmonk3y: oh sorry, probably confused things by versioning you | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | yup lol | 21:55 |
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| BCMM | noobmonk3y: the xchat devs take the above attitude, basically saying they won't be bothered with windows unless you pay them | 21:56 |
| * noobmonk3y_ farts | 21:56 | |
| BCMM | but there are unofficial builds | 21:56 |
| * noobmonk3y punches noobmonk3y_ | 21:56 | |
| andrewfblack | Just noticed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42319 this theme is basiclly parts of two of my themes made into one. | 21:56 |
| BCMM | (which is of course entirely legal and in the spirit of open-source) | 21:56 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | :D | 21:57 |
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| BCMM | andrewfblack: with attribution? | 21:57 |
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| Corsac | MohammadAG: you got a PR1.2 apt source on bittorrent? :) | 21:57 |
| BCMM | andrewfblack: doesn't look bad; where are the originals? | 21:57 |
| andrewfblack | BCMM: he said what themes he took the work from doesn't list me as creator on thread but I really don't care | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | no I got the PR1.2 packages from the SDK and installed them, breaking all dependencies by doing so | 21:57 |
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| andrewfblack | BCMM: LinuxMint which is in my Theme Hackers Garage and FreDiablo | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | well I have an exam tomorrow, I'll just put it on charge and explain to my teacher what it's restoring | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | will be lulz | 21:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | he punched himself ^ | 21:59 |
| noobmonk3y | i killed it | 21:59 |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 21:59 | |
| MohammadAG | I'll brb in a while | 21:59 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 21:59 | |
| noobmonk3y | okies MohammadAG | 21:59 |
| * MohammadAG types sudo halt | 22:00 | |
| * satmd hides the enter keys | 22:01 | |
| BCMM | frals: sorry for the version but really did need to know... | 22:02 |
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| frals | i can imagine it being some kind of life or death situation am i right? ;) | 22:03 |
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| andrewfblack | anyone got a n810/n800 booted up around them right now? | 22:05 |
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| BCMM | frals: well, an mIRC use in a linux-related channel is nearly that, right? | 22:06 |
| BCMM | ^user | 22:06 |
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| frals | pft, mirc über alles! | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | andrewfblack: i have one on a shelf in the corridor | 22:06 |
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| frals | hmm my encoding seems really fubar | 22:07 |
| andrewfblack | timeless_mbp: if your bored give this a try http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2240466/Software/FreDiablo-Maemo-org.deb | 22:07 |
| andrewfblack | timeless_mbp: Just warning you I havn't tried it yet | 22:07 |
| andrewfblack | got to find the charger for my n810 | 22:07 |
| * Shapeshifter notices once again that the picture quality of the n900 is beyond abysmal. Needs to remember to take his pocket camera to events | 22:08 | |
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| noobmonk3y | w00000000000p | 22:09 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck 1.1.1-6 gone to extras-devel :D | 22:09 |
| frals | releasespammer! | 22:10 |
| noobmonk3y | hell yeah troutspammer! | 22:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | suck on my trouty releases! | 22:10 |
| frals | :D | 22:10 |
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| Corsac | andrewfblack: you seems to have problems in your .debv | 22:10 |
| Corsac | -v | 22:10 |
| Corsac | -rw-r--r-- ablack/0 468 2010-04-26 21:05 themes/FreDiablo-Maemo-org/images/qgn_plat_task_navigation_application_switcher_04_highlighted.png | 22:11 |
| Corsac | that doesn't look good :) | 22:11 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals, hows finland? :D | 22:11 |
| frals | dark and chilly atm ;D | 22:12 |
| andrewfblack | Corsac: built this one on old theme maker I might need to do it by hand when I get home and on a linux computer. | 22:12 |
| frals | had a nice pizza for dinner thou \o/ | 22:12 |
| frals | and got my hands on domino cookies so its a win all in all so far :D | 22:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo cool :D :D | 22:12 |
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| VDVsx | frals, dark ? lol | 22:12 |
| frals | VDVsx: im not sure which way you got a view, but the harbor sure is dark :P | 22:13 |
| VDVsx | its night, so its normal, but we had a very sunny day :D | 22:13 |
| frals | aye was great weather all day | 22:13 |
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| frals | VDVsx: how long does it take to walk to nrc from here? ;P | 22:20 |
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| * noobmonk3y is off out and expects frals to have eaten a full trout by the time he gets back | 22:21 | |
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| frals | oi shutup wnkr :) | 22:21 |
| noobmonk3y | oh baby | 22:21 |
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| opdf2 | is it possible to transfer data wireless (not bluetooth)? | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean over wifi? | 22:22 |
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| opdf2 | yeah on the 27GB | 22:22 |
| dmj726 | Hooray, I'm accepted for Google Summer of Code! | 22:22 |
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| BCMM | dmj726: w00t! what project? | 22:23 |
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| dmj726 | optical page reader for the n900 | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | dmj726: Do you do punch cards as well? | 22:24 |
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| dmj726 | ? | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | nvm | 22:24 |
| dmj726 | I suppose that would be useful too. | 22:24 |
| BCMM | dmj726: like, OCR? | 22:25 |
| dmj726 | Exactly | 22:25 |
| BCMM | hmm, didn't know photos were good enough for that | 22:25 |
| dmj726 | It would take a picture, OCR it, and speak the output. | 22:25 |
| BCMM | that could be kind of awesome | 22:25 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: mh. how did you find out? | 22:25 |
| dmj726 | They can be if you take a decent picture and do a fair amount of image processing. | 22:25 |
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| BCMM | well, meh on the speaking for me, but being able to photo a document then edit it would be damn cool | 22:25 |
| dmj726 | Google sent an email | 22:26 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: congratulations btw :) | 22:26 |
| timeless | andrewfblack: couldn't create themes/... no such file or directory | 22:26 |
| dmj726 | I'm really happy about this. | 22:26 |
| BCMM | dmj726: so the work is in hte "fair amount of image processing"? | 22:26 |
| timeless | no idea what firmware i'm using, but | 22:26 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: I'd be too, I got rejected ;) | 22:26 |
| timeless | ... we're off to hunt food | 22:26 |
| timeless | bye | 22:26 |
| dmj726 | What was your proposal? | 22:26 |
| andrewfblack | timeless: thats cool I think part of it is really long theme name | 22:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | dmj726: desktop search widget (a la spotlight etc.) | 22:27 |
| dmj726 | The work is in getting the image processing right and porting a bunch of stuff and getting the parts to work together. | 22:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Isn't tehre alreasy a desktop search widget? | 22:27 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: is there? | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: or do you mean without the browser? | 22:27 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: sure. local search. using tracker | 22:27 |
| dmj726 | Shapeshifter: Was that one of the stock ideas? | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: ah | 22:27 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: it was on the list but there was no mentor noted | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: ht://dig - in principle might do it | 22:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: oh - using tracker | 22:28 |
| BCMM | cool that google is impartial enough to help with a project for somebody else's Linux smartphone | 22:28 |
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| vanadismobile | hai | 22:28 |
| dmj726 | Shapeshifter: I've noticed that there are sometimes multiple applicants for the ones on the list, so they just pick one of them. | 22:28 |
| vanadismobile | anybody using torrent on N900? | 22:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | dmj726: how did you prepare yourself? What did you do before writing the application? | 22:29 |
| * SpeedEvil passes Shapeshifter the opening sequence to Rocky. | 22:29 | |
| dmj726 | I talked with some people to help refine my idea, wrote a bit of test code, made a demo video, etc. | 22:30 |
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| vanadismobile | QTRapids, transmission,uremote, which is the most usable? | 22:30 |
| * microlith can't wait for apt-tachyon | 22:30 | |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if the idea in general was rejected, or if my proposal wasn't convincing enough. I read the API, the tracker wiki and asked on the ml. well I didn't have any convincing milestones really, was a bit cheap | 22:30 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: ah yep, that no doubt helps :) | 22:30 |
| Shapeshifter | I should have done more xD | 22:30 |
| dmj726 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs | 22:30 |
| dmj726 | I suspect most of the views are from Cory Doctorow's blog. :P | 22:31 |
| Shapeshifter | dmj726: cool | 22:32 |
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| RST38h | the choice of a book in this video is...mmmhmm... | 22:36 |
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| Noobmonk3y | fucksocks....... | 22:36 |
| dmj726 | I thought it was an appropriate choice. :) | 22:37 |
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| dmj726 | florian: Hi! | 22:46 |
| panaggio | I'm not approved on gsoc, but I asked my mentor if he would mentor unnofficially, and he said yes | 22:46 |
| florian | re | 22:46 |
| panaggio | is there anything I have to do to make this less official? Or shoud I just work with him and it's all ok? | 22:46 |
| dmj726 | panaggio: The only real difference between being accepted and not is the money. | 22:47 |
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| dmj726 | florian: I'm your student! | 22:47 |
| SpeedEvil | panaggio: drink more | 22:48 |
| dmj726 | panaggio: I'd say just work with him and make some great code. | 22:48 |
| RST38h | florian: You can now officially exploit him. | 22:48 |
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| panaggio | dmj726: well, I'll do my best, with or without the money | 22:51 |
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| florian | oh announcements?! cool | 22:51 |
| florian | dmj726: cool - welcome to the club :-)( | 22:52 |
| dmj726 | panaggio: The reason I like GSoC is that it lets me devote much more time to the code. | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, maemo copies a custom ringtone to /home/user so that it rings with our tone | 22:52 |
| dmj726 | Yep, I know we haven't talked before about the project. The mentor situation took some silly turns. | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | smart, S60 never did that | 22:52 |
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| BCMM | does the n900 do video calls? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | Gtalk yes | 23:00 |
| BCMM | (i mean, 3g ones - have read about various issues surrounding SIP and Skype) | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | the rest no | 23:00 |
| BCMM | is it technically possible for it to appear in an update? | 23:00 |
| GAN900 | You know, where's fiferboy when you need him? | 23:01 |
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| Robot101 | BCMM: technically possible, but I've seen no talk of any 3G video call support from anyone anywhere, I wouldn't hold your breath | 23:02 |
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| Dassu | :( Kinda sucks that n900 is not able to do skype video calls without fring | 23:02 |
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| libi81 | ciau xD | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | Dassu, does fring make video calls? | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who could help me out about g_file_ether, musb_hdc, and general operation scheme around switching between different roles of USB? | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | 23:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: was this a 'me' ? | 23:05 |
| Dassu | MohammadAG: yep | 23:06 |
| * Dassu hasn't tried but I saw a video on that | 23:06 | |
| MohammadAG | Dassu, it does on symbian | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: not intentionally, and im busy atm | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about maemo but I'm 60% sure you can't | 23:06 |
| Dassu | That fring was running on n900 | 23:07 |
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| shvedsky | hi, I'm a jealous GSoC student... was there a Shepherd proposal better than mine? Or just the idea is crap? :-) | 23:07 |
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| silbo__ | xD | 23:08 |
| silbo__ | you didn | 23:08 |
| silbo__ | you didn | 23:08 |
| silbo__ | you didn't get selected? | 23:08 |
| trumee | is it possible to export bookmarks from microb? | 23:08 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders a flock of sheep with solar powered n900s on collars. | 23:08 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests GTA02 for this - much more rugged | 23:09 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - sheep aren't bothered by buzz - so A6 should be fine. | 23:10 |
| trumee | microb has been crashing on me. i want to save the bookmarks and delete .mozilla/microb folder for a fresh start. | 23:10 |
| dmj726 | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/student_project/show/google/gsoc2010/maemo/t127230761170 | 23:11 |
| dmj726 | shvedsky: ^^ | 23:11 |
| silbo__ | is there a list of the students? | 23:13 |
| Scelt | Mek: did you get that packaging working for HOMM2? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no kernel hackers around, to answer me a few questions? | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51103 huh | 23:14 |
| Scelt | Mek: sorry, wrong nick | 23:14 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: that is a funny one | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, it's a full copy of my post | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: could you look into http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/isp1704.h, http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c (!), and relatives, and tell me what you think we need to talk usb-host on N900? | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I have to admit I'm a little lost as I don't even see any musb-hdr kernel module in lsmod, just g_file_storage | 23:18 |
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| ecksun | shvedsky, sorry for taking your gsoc slot :( | 23:25 |
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| Stskeeps | list is out? | 23:26 |
| dmj726 | yep | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 23:26 |
| dmj726 | I'm accepted! | 23:26 |
| dmj726 | http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/list_projects/google/gsoc2010 | 23:26 |
| ecksun | congraz dmj726 | 23:27 |
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| ecksun | you should have recived a mail | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though on plugin of Host PC I get in dmsg: | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | [12585.166473] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1in for bulk IN, maxpacket 512 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | [12585.166534] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep1out for bulk OUT, maxpacket 512 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | [12585.166564] g_file_storage gadget: high speed config #1 | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | still no musb_hdrc in lsmod. Seems to be compiled into kernel? | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | there's musb_hdrc in /sys | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | though, on selecting 'PC suite mode' (2nd time leap in http://paste.debian.net/70758/ ) I get a very interesting: | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | [12764.004364] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: MUSB HDRC host driver | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | [12764.015441] musb_hdrc musb_hdrc: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1 | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I know. Staring at it for 2h now | 23:39 |
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| shvedsky | ecksun: np | 23:40 |
| shvedsky | I've picked the wrong strategy | 23:40 |
| shvedsky | I thought it would be frouiflu, but none of the projects I applied it to succeded | 23:40 |
| shvedsky | (as a free advise: never make "getting things done" as your GSoC strategy. Noone needs it in this particular program) | 23:41 |
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| summel | how can i get the qt version from the n900 in the sdk?... | 23:42 |
| summel | i cant add the repos from my n900 to the sdk :( | 23:42 |
| shvedsky | so now maemo is just a phone... yet anotherr stupid phone. | 23:43 |
| shvedsky | n900* | 23:43 |
| shvedsky | hm | 23:43 |
| summel | just a phone? oO | 23:43 |
| dmj726 | just a phone? | 23:44 |
| ecksun | shvedsky, how many projects did you apply for? | 23:44 |
| dmj726 | generally, It's best to make one or two really good proposals than a whole bunch. | 23:45 |
| ecksun | yes, that has been my strategy | 23:45 |
| GAN900 | shvedsky, huh? | 23:45 |
| shvedsky | ecksun: applied to 2, another two were I didn't apply to because I couldn't even get to proposal stage with that approach. | 23:46 |
| ecksun | I see | 23:46 |
| summel | so how can i compile a working qt4 app for the n900? -_- | 23:46 |
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| dmj726 | shvedsky: Perhaps you could post your proposal for critique? | 23:47 |
| shvedsky | dmj726: no I won't. | 23:47 |
| shvedsky | dmj726: post-factum critique is what really sucks :-) | 23:47 |
| dmj726 | Also, communicating with the community during the proposal period helps a lot. | 23:47 |
| dmj726 | Well, I meant so you'd know what do do better next year. | 23:48 |
| shvedsky | :-) | 23:48 |
| dmj726 | anyway, I'll read it if you want. | 23:48 |
| shvedsky | nah, it's not what I came here for, really :-) | 23:48 |
| dmj726 | ok | 23:48 |
| shvedsky | just to congratulet ethe curren winner :-) ecksun, gz :-) | 23:49 |
| summel | anyone? :) | 23:49 |
| summel | :( | 23:49 |
| shvedsky | perhaps, programming is not my career anyway :-) | 23:49 |
| shvedsky | bye, guys :-) | 23:49 |
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| ecksun | ShadowJK, thank you :) | 23:50 |
| ecksun | oh, he had parted :( | 23:50 |
| ecksun | ShadowJK, sry, tabed the wrong nick | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: look at -> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c#1977 o.O | 23:50 |
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| ShadowJK | uh :-) | 23:52 |
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| trumee | ecksun, dmj726:what are your proposals? | 23:55 |
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| ecksun | i applyed for shepherd | 23:55 |
| summel | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/ is this the next major update? | 23:56 |
| dmj726 | https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/djordan2/GSoC%20proposal%202010.pdf | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: 2011, 2019,19 | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 18,19 | 23:56 |
| ecksun | trumee, would you like so see the actuail proposal? | 23:56 |
| trumee | ecksun: no was interested in the topic only. | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: echo 'host' > /sys/bus/pl*/devices/musb_hdrc/mode | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: but I remember having tried this last year, and it didn't really pan out | 23:57 |
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| dmj726 | trumee: Here's a video that sums it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGOZYGM5sOs | 23:57 |
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| ecksun | trumee, okay :) | 23:58 |
| ecksun | do you know how many proposals were accepted to maemo? | 23:58 |
| trumee | ecksun: shepherd will be very useful for maemo community. | 23:59 |
| ecksun | yes, I really hope so | 23:59 |
| ecksun | would love to get it working :) | 23:59 |
| ecksun | when* | 23:59 |
| trumee | dmj726: thanks for the link | 23:59 |
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