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| bobbyd | well, everything is machine code eventually | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you bet it's not c++ | 00:00 |
| bobbyd | so it's all really academic | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | ugh I need my i5 for mc | 00:00 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, its just how much machine code the same thing takes ;) | 00:00 |
| bobbyd | :'( | 00:00 |
| lcuk | the 680ec20 chip amigas had had a great little 256byte cache | 00:00 |
| lcuk | if you managed to fit your code into it, things went REALLY fast | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 00:01 |
| lcuk | if your code was too big it slowed down | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't forgett copper | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/tt/t | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and blitter | 00:02 |
| * lcuk remembers agnus fondly | 00:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | denise? | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually there were 3 of them iirc | 00:03 |
| lcuk | yeah copper and blitter were on agnus tho | 00:03 |
| lcuk | denise was eventual graphics output afaik | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | how do I call maemo-optify from debian/rules | 00:03 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, theres a few methods available | 00:05 |
| Macer | why doesn't the im client have an "away" status? :) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | outlined in the document on gitorious | 00:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | Macer: are you ever away from your phone? | 00:05 |
| Macer | Shapeshifter: maybe if it's charging ;) | 00:05 |
| Shapeshifter | my n900 would be heart-broken if I left it somewhere and went away | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | it would probably break up with me. | 00:06 |
| Macer | but i do see your point ;) | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | :'( | 00:06 |
| Macer | haha | 00:06 |
| Macer | the death laser wouldn't work anymore? | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | the n900 has laz0rs? | 00:06 |
| Macer | it would start deleting your emails | 00:07 |
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| Macer | msging and emailing all your contacts to a blackmail website or emailing pics of all the bad things you do on its own | 00:07 |
| * Macer is reminded of the movie Christine | 00:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | detect 'unauthorized users' by keystroke and touch gesture patterns. Use audio processing to sense female users. show of pr0n and cut long female nails with slide shutting unadvertedly | 00:12 |
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| realitygaps | can anyone give me help with gst-launch-0.10 | 00:23 |
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| GAN900 | The N900 picks up pocket lint far too readily. | 00:43 |
| PhonicUK | esp around the camera :\ | 00:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dunk in hot chicken soup to remove all the lint. | 00:49 |
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| PhonicUK | lol | 00:50 |
| PhonicUK | I want to make a Spotify client | 00:50 |
| PhonicUK | with offline support | 00:50 |
| summel | is there no option to set the priority of the built in jabber client? :( | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | Spotify sucks | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | cause they don't support IL | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:51 |
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| Robot101 | summel: you can set it with mc-tool | 00:55 |
| summel | mc-tool? | 00:55 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, if this doesn't work, I'm blaming you. :P | 01:10 |
| lcuk | is there a professional git person in the house (lbt im looking at you!) | 01:11 |
| Macer | hm | 01:12 |
| lbt | rtfm | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 01:13 |
| lcuk | :'( lbt | 01:13 |
| lbt | atfm | 01:13 |
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| lbt | (that's "ask" and "master" in case you weren't sure...) | 01:14 |
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| lcuk | i wondered why you are on about air traffic flow management | 01:14 |
| lcuk | lbt i made a cockup the size of alaska | 01:15 |
| lbt | easy to do | 01:15 |
| lbt | look at iceland... | 01:15 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | i have been using git on repo/project A, repo/project A broke for a short time, so moved to repo/project B | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | now, it came time to move repo/project B back to A | 01:16 |
| lcuk | but for some facepalmning reason i pushed it back and vaped repo/project C | 01:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | poor little n900 | 01:18 |
| Shapeshifter | working so hard when multitasking | 01:18 |
| lbt | so, first thing... there should be copies... every other dev will have a repo | 01:18 |
| lcuk | yeah lbt hopefully thats the case - i sent out email to devs of project already as soon as mistake noticed | 01:19 |
| lcuk | lbt - i did -f | 01:20 |
| lcuk | and on gitorious the project shows 63 commits by me | 01:20 |
| lbt | OK, which project? | 01:20 |
| lcuk | then the old history of the original project i wasnt meant to touch | 01:20 |
| lcuk | maemo-optify | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i eas meant to be syncing | 01:20 |
| lcuk | maemo-optify-boottime | 01:20 |
| lcuk | i had both projects locally and mis tab completed one of them :( | 01:22 |
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| lbt | you're fine | 01:23 |
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| lbt | it helps to know why :) | 01:23 |
| lbt | but seriously, you're fine | 01:23 |
| lcuk | :) thats good to know - can it just be rolled back? | 01:23 |
| lbt | almost | 01:23 |
| lbt | it's not a rollback | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | recommit the old one replacing my stupid one | 01:24 |
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| lbt | git works by having an initial commit and then everything adds on to that | 01:24 |
| lbt | it's a linked list | 01:24 |
| lbt | then there are pointers to it | 01:24 |
| lbt | these are branches and tags | 01:24 |
| lbt | now, that repo has 2 sets of commits | 01:24 |
| lbt | they're not 'linked' | 01:24 |
| lbt | you have 2 linked lists | 01:24 |
| lbt | the HEAD pointer points to your set of linked commits | 01:25 |
| lcuk | yeah - in the case of optify we didnt need branches since it was linear dev i thought i had just wiped out all marius' work | 01:25 |
| lbt | yeah, never mind the branches | 01:25 |
| lbt | think about 2 linked lists - chains | 01:25 |
| lbt | master points to 9ae923228b6f59c6a132ac88e2156f2e6cf37fd7 | 01:25 |
| lbt | and nothing points to 97d4d54dc05cac5de417157b460640cfca0a2a58 | 01:26 |
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| lbt | now. can you do a git clone (with write permission) of maemo-optify | 01:26 |
| lbt | a fresh one | 01:26 |
| lcuk | yeah :) write permission confirmed! | 01:27 |
| wazd | I heard somewhere that andrewfblack decided to release some themes thru Ovi | 01:27 |
| wazd | is there really the way, or is it just dreams? | 01:28 |
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| lbt | OK, do you have gitk? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | lbt if i git clone and use gitk i only see the boottime commits | 01:28 |
| lbt | gitk --all | 01:29 |
| * lbt waits for whoops... | 01:29 | |
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| * lcuk sees 0.3 released lower down and entire history there :D | 01:29 | |
| lbt | yes | 01:30 |
| lbt | now... | 01:30 |
| lbt | right click on Released 0.3 | 01:30 |
| lbt | and select "reset master branch to here" | 01:30 |
| lcuk | soft/mixed/hard ? | 01:30 |
| lbt | hard | 01:31 |
| lcuk | i assume hard | 01:31 |
| lcuk | yeah | 01:31 |
| lcuk | done | 01:31 |
| lbt | OK, now git push master | 01:31 |
| lbt | git push origin master | 01:32 |
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| mikki-kun | hey uhm, which compression format can the n900 "extract" currently? | 01:34 |
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| mikki-kun | and maybe also create | 01:34 |
| mikki-kun | cause i have here .tar.gz and it tells me "invalid tar magic" | 01:34 |
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| lbt | lcuk: and? | 01:35 |
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| lcuk | and i cannot commit from that clone i just made | 01:36 |
| lcuk | lbt, ^ | 01:36 |
| lcuk | im just trying to see why | 01:36 |
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| lbt | did you git clone using the push url ? | 01:36 |
| lcuk | i just moved back into sb where my ssh key is | 01:37 |
| lbt | it's silly instructions | 01:37 |
| lbt | git remote rm origin; git remote add origin git@gitorious.... | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | use svn | 01:37 |
| lcuk | lol jacekowski | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: tar.gz should work | 01:38 |
| lcuk | lbt still failed through non-fast forward | 01:38 |
| LiraNuna | is the N900's Calendar application open source? | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ~closed | 01:39 |
| infobot | well, closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages | 01:39 |
| lbt | err, yeah, you'll have to force it again | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | heh | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | has a link to th e list | 01:39 |
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| lcuk | lbt :) thank you! | 01:39 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: do i need something special installed therefore? Ö.ö | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | how does a domain exist, without having any whois info | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | # Calendar - will remain closed for Fremantle and MeeGo. | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | wow | 01:40 |
| lbt | yup, I can see it now | 01:40 |
| LiraNuna | Calendar is so awful | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: no - it should jkust work. | 01:40 |
| * lcuk sighs as the original files return | 01:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: does any otehr tar unzip it? | 01:40 |
| lbt | lcuk: I don't know if gitorious does git gc ... the garbage collect. That would have purged them | 01:40 |
| lbt | ain't git cool ;) | 01:41 |
| lcuk | lbt :) beer for you | 01:41 |
| lbt | heh | 01:41 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: at least my gentoo does where i created it... | 01:41 |
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| lbt | do you understand what we did? | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: yes. It's nokias precious code, written to conform to a spec written by crackheads that haven't ever used a computer. | 01:41 |
| lcuk | yes with that one | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | god | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: sure you diddn't do bz2? | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | \ | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | and I was all hyped "it should be open source! I can improve!!" | 01:41 |
| lcuk | lbt i had tried similar | 01:41 |
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| lcuk | but when gitk didnt show them i got worried | 01:41 |
| lcuk | i thought i had wiped out everything | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: In some ways you can - it's plausingle to rip out the entire calendar and hildon | 01:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: actually doing so is a lot of work | 01:42 |
| lbt | yeah, I always use --all | 01:42 |
| * lcuk will from now on | 01:42 | |
| LiraNuna | SpeedEvil, writing from scratch will be easier, but I don't know about how tight integration is would bring | 01:42 |
| mikki-kun | [5:41:27 mikki-kun] file vids.tar.gz | 01:43 |
| mikki-kun | vids.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Apr 25 05:28:49 2010 | 01:43 |
| lbt | lcuk: if commits got karma.... | 01:43 |
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| lcuk | heh | 01:43 |
| mikki-kun | i think that says it all.. | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: that's the issue - integrating witht he closed biuts is probelmatic. | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | any news regarding pr1.2? | 01:43 |
| lcuk | theres quite a few in the last few weeks from that project :) | 01:43 |
| lcuk | denis will get the karma tho | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i've played around with these pins on n900 | 01:44 |
| LiraNuna | I really love my N900, but what's up with the closed source retardness | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: pogo? | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: pogo? | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | goldpads* | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: Nokia see it as a differentiator. If they have it all open - they are no more than IB - after the clones started to enter the market | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | IBM | 01:44 |
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| jacekowski | and it looks like there was something uart like on it | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | They want to be apple. | 01:45 |
| LiraNuna | I got my N900 because it was NOT apple | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you tried cat /dev/urandom >/dev/ttySAC3 or whatever? | 01:45 |
| LiraNuna | and IBM was successful _because_ of clones | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, i didn't spent much time on it | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | LiraNuna: I mean - apple in the sense that they're providing the hardware and the software. | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but i've tried that and couple others | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking - noting conclusions if any - under 'debug ports' - would be good. | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | And I'm going to try to get some sleep. | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Night all. | 01:46 |
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| jacekowski | no conclusion yet | 01:47 |
| * Arkenoi wants better google integration. even apple does that. | 01:47 | |
| jacekowski | but hopefully next week i'll wake up little bit earlier | 01:48 |
| mikki-kun | mehhh, they really should give us in busybox full fledged gnu-utils and not some stripped down versions -.- | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | ( i have scope and all required tools at work - and last person with keys leaves around 14:00) | 01:48 |
| lejonet | Anyone that know any good guide to the irc plugin for Conversations? When I click New IM I only get contacts I got online on my other accounts and choosing from the menu and doing "New IM to" and writing in a channel name only gets me an invalid address error | 01:48 |
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| lejonet | Or should I just use irssi instead? (A bit more of a pain, I prefer already utilizing the apps I got) | 01:50 |
| Arkenoi | tessco unlisted nokia parts from online catalog? | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | i don't think irc using that is very good idea | 01:51 |
| lejonet | jacekowski: Elaborate? | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | it'll be annoying to other people as you get disconnected and connected and disconnected and connected and again and again | 01:51 |
| lejonet | Why would I get that? | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | every time you roam from wifi to gsm | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | or you lose gsm signal for a second | 01:52 |
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| lejonet | Well luckily that doesnt happen alot here, especially not on the places I will most likely IRC from | 01:52 |
| lejonet | It is not like I am going to IRC from all places I am at :P | 01:52 |
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| GAN900 | jacekowski, irssi proxy. . . . | 01:55 |
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| GAN900 | lejonet, setup a proxy or bouncer if you want to use XChat on Maemo | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | makes for far fewer /msg nickserv ghost ... | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: some trime ago | 01:56 |
| summel | GAN900: quassel would be better :) | 01:56 |
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| jacekowski | i found bug in nokia jabber thigy | 01:56 |
| GAN900 | summel, whatever, choose your poison. | 01:56 |
| lejonet | GAN900: Well, There was a plugin for Conversation to handle IRC, but I guess I could just server IRC from my server thru SSH | 01:57 |
| summel | GAN900: quassel was developed with a client/core architecture in mind :) | 01:57 |
| GAN900 | lejonet, the group chat is broken in Maemo 5. | 01:57 |
| GAN900 | lejonet, just use XChat (or irssi in screen if that's your preference). | 01:58 |
| lejonet | GAN900: seems like it, can't get that plugin to work at all, i'll just use SSH+Irrsi from my server :P | 01:58 |
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| Macer | i know this may be way out there. .but is there an app that lets you take pics of docs and save them as pdfs? :) | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | shitloads of them | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | pdf printer -> google | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | pdfcreate is one of them | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | or dopdf | 02:03 |
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| Klowner | flashing the mmc isn't *required* after flashing the fiasco image is it? (on N900) | 02:11 |
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| MohammadAG | Klowner, no | 02:16 |
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| MohammadAG | but if you're flashing the eMMC, you need to reflash the fiasco first | 02:16 |
| Klowner | gotcha | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | (at least from PR1.2 onwards) | 02:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | In the face. | 02:20 |
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| MohammadAG | any reasons for a transparent icon in the menu? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | it crashes hildon-desktop | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | the image is in /usr/share/pixmaps | 02:30 |
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| MohammadAG | ah nvm fixed it | 02:33 |
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| toggles_w | anyone ever used firm-deals? http://firm-deals.com/productinfo.asp?id=6592 | 02:36 |
| toggles_w | it seems too good to be true... fakes? | 02:36 |
| FauxFaux | Faaaar too good to be true. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you go and bang on their door if it is. | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Will your credit card reimburse you if it is? | 02:37 |
| toggles_w | yeah, figured as much, plus only accepting stuff like western uinion scares me | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | That does seem however a suspiciously low price. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Run far away. | 02:37 |
| FauxFaux | Given you can order without a credit card, it seems likely. | 02:37 |
| FauxFaux | Apparently my order number is 20100425073656. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - credit card - in many countries - give s you additional protections | 02:37 |
| FauxFaux | There's no oppotunity to enter a credit card number. ¬_¬ | 02:38 |
| FauxFaux | "The order hands over the success"! | 02:38 |
| toggles_w | lol | 02:39 |
| toggles_w | i just got that too.. wonder how it will work out... | 02:39 |
| FauxFaux | Please don't. | 02:40 |
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| toggles_w | don't? | 02:40 |
| FauxFaux | Don't even access sites that have that level of copy editing. :P | 02:41 |
| toggles_w | they sell motorcycles too, yzf 600 for less than 1/2 | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | http://uk.madbid.com/show/431833-iPhone-3Gs-32GB/ - for example - is an evil fucking scam. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Which I've reported to teh appropriate regulators which do nothing. | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a betting site, disguised as an online auction. | 02:41 |
| FauxFaux | It's not even a betting site, it's just a scam. :P They're well covered. | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | You pay 10p to bid - and if you win - you get an iphone for 8.78. | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you do not win - it goes to 8.79 - and the next bidder has a chance to win it. | 02:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - the astute amongst you may realise that the total paid to the company once an item reaches even a small fraction of the normal selling price is _way_ higher than the retail of the device. | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But - this site is aimed at people that can't do maths. | 02:43 |
| toggles_w | lol | 02:43 |
| FauxFaux | Welcome to lotteries / other organised but socially acceptable gambling. | 02:43 |
| FauxFaux | "Swoopo [a similar site] has claimed to make money on roughly half the items sold." | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I have _no_ problem with lotteries. | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: oh - that - yeah - it was them I complained about - this is a clone | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Everyone understands a lottery - that it's chance. | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | These sites are marketed as auctions - which they are not. | 02:44 |
| FauxFaux | I'm all for companies extorting stupid people; it's not incorrectly advertised. | 02:45 |
| FauxFaux | It's just a blatent SCAM ALARM. | 02:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | If only smart capable people were on the net, I would have no problem with it. | 02:46 |
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| FauxFaux | Don't even start on that. /o\ | 02:47 |
| FauxFaux | Attempts to explain to parents the difference between a hyperlink and an attachment on e-mail. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:49 |
| FauxFaux | "/ /This/ is in a browser. It can't hurt you. /This/ is not. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO." etc. | 02:50 |
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| Corsac | FauxFaux: things in a browser /can/ hurt you | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | FauxFaux: I got roung that with linux. | 02:52 |
| FauxFaux | Non-free accounting packages called. | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | why did I get an email | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | saying mc rejected | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | when I never uploaded anything | 03:40 |
| Ken-Young | That way you're pre-demoralized. | 03:41 |
| Macer | haha | 03:41 |
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| summel | are there any instructions on how to create a theme? | 04:05 |
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| MohammadAG | just a guess, cause I don't know | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | ~themes | 04:06 |
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| MohammadAG | guess it's not defined then lol | 04:06 |
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| summel | hm | 04:11 |
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| Macer | there is something special about running xterm on a phone | 04:28 |
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| Ken-Young | Macer, I could not agree more - especially when you install Easy Debian, and can use bash or tcsh, rather than busybox. | 04:30 |
| Macer | didnt try easydebian out | 04:30 |
| Macer | whats wrong with busybox? | 04:30 |
| Macer | seems to run rather well | 04:31 |
| Ken-Young | Macer, Busybox only provides a small subset of the functionally found in the real gnu utilities. | 04:31 |
| Ken-Young | For example, the busybox "find" will not except -exec . | 04:32 |
| Ken-Young | If you install Easy Debian, you can changeroot within the normal xterm - you don't have to fire up the debian desktop environment. | 04:32 |
| Ken-Young | So you can easily get access to the full-power gnu utilities, rather than the stripped down versions built into busybox. | 04:33 |
| Macer | well.. i havent honestly found a need yet | 04:35 |
| Macer | i am loving maemo5 and the n900 in general | 04:35 |
| Ken-Young | Me too. | 04:35 |
| Macer | best damn phone ever | 04:35 |
| Macer | i wish stock maemo5 ran on my n810 | 04:37 |
| Macer | :( | 04:37 |
| Macer | it is a shame it was oficially abandoned like that | 04:37 |
| Macer | officially | 04:37 |
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| Macer | hn | 05:30 |
| Macer | hm | 05:30 |
| Macer | i am getting better on this qwerty | 05:30 |
| Macer | sure did take a while.. the space bar is funny | 05:30 |
| Macer | it is like it has 2 buttons underneath it | 05:31 |
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| Macer | no abiword? | 05:34 |
| Macer | wonder if there is maemo cups :) | 05:34 |
| pupnik | no cup | 05:34 |
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| maher | anyone using youmail? i'm not getting text notifications - is there some way the phone can find out from youmail that there's a voice message? | 05:35 |
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| Macer | hm | 05:40 |
| Macer | samba support would be nice | 05:40 |
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| maher | Macer: samba is packaged afaik | 05:41 |
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| Macer | oh?? | 05:41 |
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| Macer | that would be awesome | 05:42 |
| Macer | let me check | 05:42 |
| Macer | hm | 05:43 |
| Macer | no abiword is discouraging | 05:43 |
| Macer | :) | 05:43 |
| Macer | i liked being able to type things on my n810 | 05:43 |
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| summel | Macer: there are several simple text editors | 05:44 |
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| summel | + openoffice and soo koffice | 05:44 |
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| summel | *soon | 05:45 |
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| Macer | openoffice??? | 05:45 |
| Ken-Young | You can run openoffice on your N900. | 05:45 |
| Macer | oh. soon heh. omg that would be beyond awesome | 05:46 |
| summel | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/3907797940_d3838f9bb7_o.png | 05:46 |
| summel | not really :D | 05:46 |
| summel | koffice will be better imho | 05:46 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.de/search?q=abiword+n900+maemo | 05:46 |
| Macer | i need to find the instructions on how to install openoffice | 05:47 |
| summel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AgJBEo4DD4 | 05:47 |
| Ken-Young | Macer, Do you mean soon you'll be able to run openoffice? You can run it right now. | 05:47 |
| Macer | i dont know.. i didnt say it | 05:48 |
| Ken-Young | Macer, If you install Easy Debian, Openoffice comes with it. | 05:48 |
| Macer | oh | 05:48 |
| Macer | so not maemo native? | 05:48 |
| Ken-Young | Right. | 05:48 |
| Macer | i really dont want to run a chroot if it could be avoided | 05:48 |
| summel | thats what koffice is for :P | 05:48 |
| Macer | heh | 05:48 |
| Macer | does koffice save in odt? | 05:49 |
| Macer | i use openoffice for everything | 05:49 |
| summel | yes | 05:49 |
| summel | and it is way faster then openoffice | 05:50 |
| summel | and afaik also better in importing ms office stuff | 05:50 |
| summel | + you can embed vector graphics in koffice! | 05:50 |
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| Macer | wow | 05:53 |
| Macer | that is incredibly nice | 05:53 |
| Macer | and runs in maemo with no chroot? | 05:54 |
| summel | AFAIK YES | 05:54 |
| summel | whoops | 05:54 |
| summel | sry | 05:54 |
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| Macer | heh | 05:54 |
| Macer | the jabber client needs a contact status in the title bar | 05:55 |
| Macer | welll... the im client.. it is still telepathy? | 05:55 |
| Robot101 | yes | 05:55 |
| Robot101 | it puts contact status in the conversation window on the contact's last message | 05:56 |
| Macer | yeah.. that kind of sucks | 05:56 |
| Macer | especially if you didnt close thde window and want to see if they are available | 05:57 |
| Macer | you have to either scroll up or exit the window | 05:57 |
| Robot101 | I don't usually see that problem... maybe I just press enter less often | 05:57 |
| Macer | haha | 05:58 |
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| Macer | well.. if you dont and typed a lot.. then leave it open and come back and want to see the status you are stuck scrolling up or exiting | 05:59 |
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| ZogG | wtf is wrong with people | 06:38 |
| ZogG | really | 06:38 |
| ZogG | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=626590#post626590 | 06:38 |
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| GAN900 | ZogG, hey, advertising never lies. | 06:40 |
| * GAN900 enjoyed How To Train Your Dragon more. | 06:40 | |
| ZogG | 1st it's not that great movie | 06:40 |
| ZogG | second what is the kinda posts like that | 06:40 |
| Lateralus | It's the off topic forum. | 06:41 |
| ZogG | still =) | 06:41 |
| Lateralus | Feel free to reply telling him that you think he's wrong, but at least it's in the right spot | 06:41 |
| pupnik | Ari speaks on Meego http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=625928#post625928 | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | speaks on? | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | He's sitting on it? | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | He's got a voice modulator that runs on MeeGo? | 06:44 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, keynote? | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | and who the fuck still uses ITT? | 06:44 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, pretty content-free. | 06:44 |
| GAN900 | People too lazy to update bookmarks? | 06:45 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: except ITT has ads on it | 06:45 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, goes to the same place forum-side | 06:46 |
| crashanddie | it does? | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | Believe so | 06:50 |
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| pupnik | google gave me that link from itt | 06:52 |
| pupnik | bmw likes meego? http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6145 | 06:56 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: well, yeah, old news | 06:57 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: give me something to do, I'm bored | 06:57 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, the Maemo Community Council, too! | 06:57 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, video game? | 06:57 |
| crashanddie | like? | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Altitude is tons of fun | 06:58 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I don't have a mouse on the mbp | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Don't need one | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | keyboard | 06:58 |
| crashanddie | is that on n900? | 06:58 |
| crashanddie | or desktop? | 06:58 |
| GAN900 | Java | 06:58 |
| crashanddie | k | 06:58 |
| crashanddie | link? | 06:59 |
| crashanddie | altitudegame.com ? | 06:59 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 07:00 |
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| crashanddie | In the future, even when everything takes nanoseconds to complete | 07:04 |
| crashanddie | Downloading shit will always take "3 seconds" | 07:04 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: fial | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: altitude requires specific network setup -- i'm in a hotel | 07:08 |
| GAN900 | fial? | 07:08 |
| GAN900 | Ah, sorry. | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | fial == failed failure | 07:08 |
| pupnik | advertising-based on-line services will always be slow | 07:10 |
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| caotic | so .. no MMS for the n900 | 07:11 |
| * GAN900 wants that new Netwalker tablet for home automation. | 07:11 | |
| GAN900 | caotic, fMMS | 07:12 |
| caotic | GAN900: is that an application or an statement ? | 07:12 |
| GAN900 | application | 07:12 |
| crashanddie | caotic: it's also a statement | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: think it was little snitch standing in the way | 07:13 |
| caotic | crashanddie: I thought he ment f*ck mms | 07:13 |
| GAN900 | Ah, gotta love Little Snitch | 07:13 |
| GAN900 | Such a great name | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: though it's now loading the tutorial from 0.0.0.0:777 which is quite worrying :P | 07:14 |
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| crashanddie | hehe, fun game indeed, thanks for that GAN900 | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, yeah, great idle time killer | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, well worth buying, too, since the shareware planes suck. | 07:21 |
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| crashanddie | how much is it? | 07:35 |
| summel | what game? | 07:36 |
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| crashanddie | summel: altitude | 07:41 |
| summel | -dev repository? ^^ | 07:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shareware planes? Can't your company get you decent business class? ;-P | 07:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer shudders and considers to take another few hours nap | 07:50 | |
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| crashanddie | summel: not on n900 | 07:50 |
| summel | ah ok | 07:50 |
| ham5 | can I run maemo as a vm ? | 07:52 |
| ham5 | websites on that? | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can use the scratchbox 'IDE' | 07:53 |
| * pupnik writes a N900 emulator for N900 | 07:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui that won't run a full maemo | 07:54 |
| pupnik | that is metagod's trick: abstraction / reflection | 07:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly what a scratchbox might be | 07:55 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | cage for cats? | 07:56 |
| pupnik | good | 07:56 |
| smhar | what would happen to maemo after the final release of meego? merge? stop? continue? | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict scratchbox | 07:57 |
| infobot | could not find definition for scratchbox | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: undefined | 07:57 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, Oh, I missed that option :-) | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | merge is unlikely as meego is a maemo+moblin merger already | 07:58 |
| pupnik | the story of linux is still cool .. imagining the alternative possible worlds | 07:58 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, as far as Nokia is concerned, I think maemo would be dead | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: let me put it this way: what happened to win2000 when winXP came to market | 08:00 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, I am not sure the same applies here | 08:00 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: it survived a long time on servers and machines of people who hated xp | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | win2000 was by far the better OS compared to XP until SP1 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I expect to see same thing happen with maemo | 08:01 |
| smhar | we are talking about an OS that is developed by the community, not just applications | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | smhar: wake up, Maemo isn't developed by the community | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not at all | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor is meego as it is now | 08:02 |
| smhar | plus, everybody know that that MS does not update that often, so the life span is big any way | 08:02 |
| crashanddie | that statement doesn't mean anything | 08:03 |
| smhar | crashanddie, , docscrutinizer, true, but you know what I mean | 08:03 |
| crashanddie | no, we don't | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | as if Nokia is notorious to update maemo quite frequently XP | 08:03 |
| crashanddie | seriously, if Nokia stops working on Maemo 5, you're stuffed | 08:03 |
| crashanddie | at this stage, you can't update squat | 08:04 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: what would the implications be of releasing a new flash image that contained updated version of the software? | 08:04 |
| smhar | crashanddie, that is my point exactly.. once meego is on the go, why would Nokia update maemo ever | 08:04 |
| crashanddie | ok, but I though tthat was a givne | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | woa | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | I thought that was a given** | 08:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck tmo down | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it comes up again... | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 08:06 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: works for me | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeout on Adresse: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | works again | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart tmo | 08:08 |
| * infobot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at tmo | 08:08 | |
| crashanddie | who would've thought someone could create art on the n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626336&postcount=20 | 08:10 |
| dmkae | hi all | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | yo dmkae | 08:16 |
| dmkae | sup man | 08:16 |
| crashanddie | dns | 08:17 |
| dmkae | what? | 08:17 |
| crashanddie | sup reversed = dns | 08:17 |
| dmkae | ah | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~reverse sup | 08:18 |
| infobot | pus | 08:18 |
| dmkae | :D | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | ew | 08:18 |
| dmkae | so, does the maemo kick the iphone's ass ? | 08:18 |
| dmkae | :P | 08:18 |
| summel | yes | 08:18 |
| dmkae | ah | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | dmkae: nope, but you'll get kicked if you start trolling like that :P | 08:18 |
| dmkae | why? | 08:18 |
| dmkae | ah k sorry | 08:18 |
| dmkae | wasnt trolling | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, to dirty and useless a job | 08:18 |
| dmkae | just asking | 08:18 |
| summel | s60 already is better then iphone os | 08:19 |
| summel | in terms of features | 08:19 |
| dmkae | i want to develop for the maemo | 08:19 |
| dmkae | i need to install *nix for that | 08:19 |
| dmkae | right? | 08:19 |
| crashanddie | dmkae: nope | 08:19 |
| summel | or a virtual machine with linux | 08:19 |
| crashanddie | dmkae: you can run the so called SDK in a VM | 08:19 |
| pupnik | sweet link crashanddie - i knew mypaint just needed the right artist | 08:19 |
| dmkae | ah | 08:20 |
| dmkae | on any distro? | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | debian based | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | so debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, etc | 08:20 |
| summel | suse "should" also work but i would go with ubuntu 9.10 | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Palm's Execs Are Jumping Ship as Fast as Its Potential Buyers! | 08:20 |
| pupnik | the sdk vm works on windows too | 08:20 |
| summel | or kubuntu but kubuntu sucks until 10.4 and i couldnt get the sdk working on the 1.04 rc | 08:20 |
| RST38h | moo, pupnik, crash | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | moo RST38h | 08:21 |
| dmkae | ah yea | 08:21 |
| dmkae | lenovo looking to buy palm and everything | 08:21 |
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| crashanddie | ~death palm | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | ~rip palm | 08:22 |
| * infobot takes palm and acts as Jack The Ripper | 08:22 | |
| dmkae | :D | 08:22 |
| crashanddie | ~rape palm | 08:22 |
| * infobot takes palm behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 08:22 | |
| crashanddie | I can't believe that one is still in the bot | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | because of 'wallmart' ? ;-) | 08:23 |
| crashanddie | yeah, DEATH TO CORPORATE AMERICA | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | JIHAD, JIHAD, JIHAD | 08:24 |
| RST38h | "...The other woman in his life, Bonnie, tired of life in a cave, left him for a job as a potato sorter and was murdered by her roommate." | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: you published your autobiography? | 08:25 |
| dmkae | wow | 08:25 |
| dmkae | the death of a caveman | 08:25 |
| dmkae | :D | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | it's amazing they managed to find her name | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | and that she was called Bonnie! A proper cavemanesque name. | 08:25 |
| summel | cavewoman | 08:26 |
| RST38h | Source: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/23/1164899/death-of-caveman-ends-an-era-in.html | 08:26 |
| RST38h | (and yes, it gets even weirder) | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | "He was the last of Idaho's legendary loners" | 08:27 |
| crashanddie | Legendary to whom? | 08:27 |
| dmkae | hehehe | 08:27 |
| dmkae | to idaho? | 08:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer humms 'your own private Idaho' | 08:28 | |
| crashanddie | They are a unique group that until the 1980s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | Read more: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/04/23/1164899/death-of-caveman-ends-an-era-in.html#ixzz0m5RzvKbC | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | crap | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | They are a unique group that until the 1980s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | "They are a unique group that until the 80s included canyon contemporaries with names like Beaver Dick, Cougar Dave and Wheelbarrow Annie" | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | "Beaver Dick"? | 08:29 |
| crashanddie | I mean, seriously? | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hickup? | 08:30 |
| dmkae | people get bored there really easily | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: my bad | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: the first paste was jinxed by some javascript to prevent copy/pasting | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | "...He procured large volumes of beauty supplies containing hydrogen peroxide to make TATP, an explosive involved in a London transit attack..." | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | APEX, nice | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | That guy must've had the most boring life ever | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | Even during WWII he didn't get to shoot a gun, he was a bloody truck driver | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'if life gets boring, risk it' | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | olde freeclimber saying | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | yeah, like you're such a great inspiration to life, eh DocScrutinizer? | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | You meddle with 20mA, you puss :P | 08:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer points to the 'getting' part, suggesting a transition of state | 08:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | state of my life is rather static | 08:38 |
| dmkae | mine's more dynamic | 08:39 |
| dmkae | :) | 08:39 |
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| dekozo | does meego make maemo obselete? i mean... maemo will stop being developed? | 08:41 |
| pupnik | touching article RST38h | 08:41 |
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| pupnik | dekozo: maemo development goes into mego | 08:41 |
| dekozo | i see | 08:41 |
| dmkae | what about meebo? | 08:42 |
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| dmkae | does that make maemo obsolete too? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dekozo: please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 08:42 |
| pupnik | dekozo: would you like me to write you a maemo app? | 08:42 |
| dmkae | pupnik: could you write ME one? | 08:43 |
| dmkae | :) | 08:43 |
| pupnik | oops | 08:44 |
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| RST38h | Anyone here worked with XVideo? | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-obsolete is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 08:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~meego-obsolete is <reply>see maemo-obsolete | 08:57 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 08:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | dmkae: maemo5 will not last forever | 09:03 |
| timeless_mbp | if you thought otherwise, i'm sorry | 09:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | there is still work @nokia on maemo5 | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | however there was also work on maemo6 over a year ago | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and maemo6 is being folded into something which will be branded 'meego' | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | there was work @intel on moblin2.1 at some point | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and their future work was supposed to be on moblin2.2 | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but they folded their work into 'meego' | 09:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | to the extent that intel has service releases for moblin2.1, presumably that would still continue | 09:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but the future is the future | 09:05 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo5 is built on top of gtk | 09:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and >6months ago nokia indicated that the future for maemo6 was not gtk | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | which made a lot of people cry and shiver | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for no good reason | 09:06 |
| timeless_mbp | right | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but if we didn't announce future plans at some point, people would complain | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if we do, our foolish customers cry and shiver | 09:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | the announcement was targeted at developers | 09:07 |
| timeless_mbp | with maemo5 we had a qt4.5 available, with pr1.2, we'll include qt4.6 which is supposed to make it easier for devs to write apps which target maemo5 and <meego> | 09:08 |
| timeless_mbp | (there's no guarantee qt4.6 will be shipped w/ meego, but it's clear that we won't ship 4.5...) | 09:08 |
| timeless_mbp | at the very least, if we ship a product and there are no apps available, our customers would complain :) | 09:09 |
| timeless_mbp | by announcing plans to devs, we enable them to target our products before we ship them, which should enable them to make our customers happier | 09:09 |
| timeless_mbp | and since qt4.6 apps should work on n900's running pt1.2 and meego devices (whenever those appear), it should make more apps available for n900 customers | 09:10 |
| timeless_mbp | so they should be happy, not sad | 09:10 |
| timeless_mbp | but customers whine in public and are happy in private, and you can't measure private happiness | 09:10 |
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| * RST38h yawns and wonders if it is possible to reduce the number of threads started by microb, messaging, and modest | 09:14 | |
| RST38h | five of each is kinda heavy, given that the system freezes as soon as it goes to swap | 09:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer fatgrins | 09:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | threads *can* be really lightweight | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp in comparision to handling concurrency in one threadless process | 09:18 |
| SpeedEvil | check the pss/uss - it's not really that bad | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil | 09:19 |
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| RST38h | DocS: Except that each of these threads seems to eat ~5MB | 09:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | are you sure this isn't one chunk of 5MB shared by all threads? | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause that's how threads usually work aiui | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | DocS: Of course I am sure | 09:29 |
| RST38h | DocS: 13MB is shared by all threads, 5MB allocated individually | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually bad | 09:29 |
| RST38h | And these are most likely processes, not threads | 09:29 |
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| * RST38h laughs satanically after finding the place in startup where browserds are bred | 09:35 | |
| RST38h | Actually, HTOP may simply be wrong. PS shows way fewer copies, and that corresonds to what I see in that script | 09:36 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests a killall <whatever>, and to watch used memory during that | 09:41 | |
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| RST38h | Ahhahaha | 09:58 |
| RST38h | A US gamer has been banned from ever buying another iPad. Why? He reached his "lifetime limit." | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | When his story was linked to by Valleywag, one commenter, self-described as an Apple Store employee, noted: "The employee got it wrong. The *daily* limit is two iPads per day. The 'lifetime limit' is ten." | 10:01 |
| RST38h | "Nothing is sadder than seeing the look on a little kid's face when you don't have the toy they want, because you just personally sold the last half-dozen to a shady guy in sunglasses who reeks of cigarette smoke. It gets old really fast." | 10:02 |
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| Termana | RST38h: Already read that story - but where did you get the update from an employee? | 10:03 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/25/ipad_lifetime_limit/ | 10:05 |
| * RST38h really likes how gadget companies are adopting Soviet marketing style nowadays | 10:05 | |
| RST38h | Make the device scarce, make people stay in lines for it, only sell at a few locations, ban people for buying in bulk | 10:06 |
| RST38h | Oh, have I forgotten draconian usage agreements and 2-year contracts? That is because Soviets did not have them =) | 10:08 |
| Corsac | http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/family/ipad?mco=OTY2ODA0NQ shows “ipad order limit: 2” | 10:14 |
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| |marcvs| | Hi there, I've a short question about the initfs_flasher, bootmenu and things | 10:17 |
| |marcvs| | 1st: there are lots of pretty old files there. Does the stuff work on the n900? | 10:17 |
| |marcvs| | 2nd: I really tried finding the "HOME KEY" on my n900 | 10:18 |
| |marcvs| | I don't find it | 10:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: 'no' | 10:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: memory which isn't actively used should be swapped out | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | those thread stack limits should generally not be hit, and thus they should be swapped out (or never even backed..) and not hurt anyone | 10:34 |
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| Shapeshifter | does anyone know an international news rss feed which doesn't just send you links that you have to click and open in a browser, but rather full articles? I know, for them it makes little sense to do that as you miss out on all their ads on their pages, but being mobile it's really annoying having to open microb to read an article. | 10:50 |
| Corsac | agreed | 10:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | the bbc, google and yahoo news all just send links and one sentence. | 10:55 |
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| steverm | hello guys is anyone else having problem with update file corrupt? | 11:01 |
| steverm | on n900 | 11:01 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if I can call XvQueryAdaptors(0,0,...) ? | 11:10 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
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| Jaffa | Anyone have links of interest for tomorrow's http://www.mwkn.net/? Or wants to become a regular contributor (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News#Contributor%20Reference)? | 11:27 |
| Psi | is qt-irreco pretty unstable? i had it working last night but now no matter what i do it doesnt work | 11:31 |
| Psi | today | 11:31 |
| Psi | oscilloscope says its not outputing any IR data | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i'm buzz'ing stuff these days | 11:43 |
| timeless_mbp | but it isn't suitable for mwkn.net :( | 11:43 |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: sure? | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: the squeeze thing sounds awesome | 11:44 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: have you found my buzz? | 11:44 |
| * timeless_mbp tries to remember how to find it | 11:44 | |
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| Jaffa | timeless_mbp: don't look at Buzz that often | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: oh, i suppose we could perhaps start advertising mxr.moego.org | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | but i really should get the meego day 1 stuff indexed | 11:47 |
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| frals | so whats the weather like in HEL? | 11:55 |
| * frals just got aboard arlanda express | 11:56 | |
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| |marcvs| | I've created a new partition on my internal flash | 11:58 |
| |marcvs| | now: how to boot from it? | 11:58 |
| |marcvs| | I checked the stuff of fanoush, but that doesn't seem to work with n900 | 11:58 |
| |marcvs| | any hint? | 11:58 |
| |marcvs| | (and yes: i did google a lot, but i'm almost blind from that now) | 11:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: sunny atm | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: if you're going to be here today, send me an sms and we can grab coffee :) | 12:06 |
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| Arkenoi | there is a mistery in how majong starts: it draws the window with all it contents even before it zooms fullscreen. other applications do not behave that way. is it specially tuned transition or what? | 12:16 |
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| pupnik | in case you missed it: a good artist meets mypaint on n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=626336&postcount=20 | 12:30 |
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| pillar_ | is there no pdf reader for n900 where one can select text? | 12:39 |
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| Arkenoi | " * However, native 3G video call is still not yet supported." oops. | 12:39 |
| pillar_ | I tried the default one and evince, but no luck | 12:39 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: i should be arriving around 16 at hel airport | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i can certainly meet up w/ you any way you like. | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | are you going to take the finnair bus to the central railway station? | 12:42 |
| frals | yeah thats the plan | 12:43 |
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| pupnik | pillar_: you can afaict do it in evince | 12:43 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: im staying at radisson seaside, whats closest for you? | 12:44 |
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| frals | god i hate the lack of free wireless at arlanda, 3g is slow :/ | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | i can reach either fairly easily | 12:45 |
| pillar_ | pupnik: oh really, how do you activate the select mode? | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | it's <15mins to either | 12:46 |
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| pupnik | may i ask what you are soing in HEL? | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | (on foot) | 12:46 |
| pupnik | frals | 12:46 |
| pupnik | http://www.google.com/m/search?q=n900+evince+select+***+text pillar_ | 12:46 |
| frals | pupnik: psych eval or something along those lines... :D | 12:47 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: ok, id prefer if i could checkin and get rid of my luggage first :) | 12:47 |
| pupnik | well it would be fun to meet up. i am flying into tampere on tuesday | 12:48 |
| pupnik | spending any time there? | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | tampere's fairly far from helsinki | 12:49 |
| frals | sorry heading home again on tuesday :) | 12:49 |
| pupnik | yea but i may want to ride down sometime anyway | 12:49 |
| pupnik | ok no chance for n900 pvp Star Control 2 melee | 12:50 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; May I ask if it's the en_GB localization that causes some input fields to cover buttons? OR could that be caused by some other application I may have installed? (I'm still using the default theme) | 12:54 |
| eichi | hello, how can i clean the apt cache? it has 16MB but apt-get clean and apt-get autoremove does not work | 12:55 |
| eichi | its a .bin file somewhere in /var/ i mean | 12:55 |
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| Chiku | talk.maemo.org is down? | 12:57 |
| pillar_ | pupnik: found it, ctrl+, enters edit mode | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: i need pictures | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | in general my strings are *shorter* than the default strings | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | so it /shouldn't/ be my fault | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | also, i checked, and my strings at least the ones i haven't pushed are current as of ages ago | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to actually build a newer set and push them out, i'll do that shortly | 12:58 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; it's not the text that seems to be problem, it feels like the input fields somehow got longer/wider | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: i need pictures. ctrl-shift-p is your friend | 12:59 |
| pupnik | ty pillar_ maemo note: To select text in a pdf on n900 with evince use ctrl+enter | 13:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | alternatively, the cpu-applet will also take screenshots | 13:01 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; that requires some tool to be installed right? or where is the picture stored? | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Trizt: of the cpu-applet screenshots - dunno - but the indexer finds them, so I just upload to flickr | 13:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | camkeyd conflicts with this - as it zooms to the desktop while you try to take a pic | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | so you have to leave it 20s and let it autotake pic | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: maemo5 comes w/ it for free | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it dumps it into ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots or something | 13:03 |
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| frals | Trizt: nmydocs/.images/screenshots | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | image viewer shows it | 13:03 |
| Trizt | thanks frals | 13:03 |
| pupnik | does media tracker work fairly well since 1.2? | 13:05 |
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| frals | whats the problem with it in 1.1.1? | 13:06 |
| pupnik | didnt work for me | 13:07 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:11 |
| frals | ello | 13:11 |
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| RST38h | moo lardman | 13:11 |
| lardman | hi chaps | 13:12 |
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| Jaffa | 'lo lardman | 13:12 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; should be a mail in your inbox shortly, if not gmail filters away ovi mails :P | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | it arrived | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | kinda | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ovi seems incredibly stupid | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | (i'm shocked!) | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | interesting | 13:13 |
| Trizt | yes, I guess so, but it's made by ms users for ms users | 13:13 |
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| crazyhorss | good morning | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | so... | 13:14 |
| * timeless_mbp has no idea what's going on there | 13:14 | |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; if I press the button, then it comes in front and you will see it fully displayed | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | it looks fine for me w/ my digital nature theme | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | in 1.2 | 13:14 |
| * Trizt still uses old 1.1.1 | 13:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | note that i don't have an ovi account | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i can check to see what the nokia string was, hold | 13:15 |
| crazyhorss | im having a problem. I made a few shortcuts to desktop but today they are gone. I already disabled all desktops then re-enabled but they are still missing. can anyone help please? | 13:15 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; I doubt it should say anything more than the account name | 13:16 |
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| Trizt | will the indexing work properly in 1.2? it's makes my phone quite unresponsive each time I take a look at the images and I really don't want to index the wallpapers (I have excluded those in the config, but still keeps to index those). Is it possible to set a niceness for the index? | 13:18 |
| crazyhorss | No one ever into my Desktop shortcut problem? | 13:19 |
| crazyhorss | ran into* | 13:19 |
| lardman | hmm, has pr1.2 been released then? | 13:19 |
| pupnik | Trizt: yes niceness is all there in config file | 13:19 |
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| pupnik | Trizt: i turned mine off and use gqview or mplayer | 13:20 |
| pupnik | no lardman | 13:21 |
| lardman | oh, shame | 13:21 |
| lardman | I just read this "One of the big changes PR1.2 brought us is official Qt support in the form of Q4.6 in the Nokia SDK and repositories." from Attila's post and thought I'd missed it | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | he already has it - so he doesn't care about the rest of us. | 13:22 |
| lardman | lol | 13:22 |
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| lardman | well I can once again confirm that Ovi Maps really is crap, especially when walking around a city you don't know and preferring to not have to wait around for the app, and for the appalling search feature | 13:24 |
| * Trizt tries to remember the location of the index config file | 13:24 | |
| crazyhorss | Sygic has a funtional gps | 13:25 |
| lardman | have to pay for it though iirc? | 13:25 |
| lardman | I'd just like to get rid of the webness and have a c/c++ api into the renderer | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | sygic is quite good | 13:26 |
| lardman | how much does it cost? | 13:27 |
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| sECuRE | 60 € AFAIR | 13:27 |
| crazyhorss | and Russian voice is a chick | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | free program updates but not map updates | 13:28 |
| crazyhorss | which was a pleasent surprise | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | but works quite nicely | 13:28 |
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| lardman | why no updated Ovi Maps like the Symbian phones have? | 13:30 |
| lardman | and free I should add | 13:30 |
| * RST38h REALLY looking for someone with SB2 now | 13:30 | |
| RST38h | Stskeeps, are you there? | 13:31 |
| lardman | or is this an attempt to foster external devs? | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: well, sygic's probably making money :) | 13:31 |
| RST38h | 'cause I am really at loss trying to understand why sb2 dpkg coredumps on Karmic | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that gate5 (the idiots behind ovi maps) | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | is an independent entity | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | and they work on things w/ the biggest audience first | 13:31 |
| RST38h | It is not VDSO. It is not the tools (tried lenny and etch) | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | s60 and s40 have much bigger audiences than mameo4 or maemo5 | 13:32 |
| lardman | timeless_mbp: ah, I see, I thought Nokia would control what they worked on though...? | 13:32 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; and gate5 only know how to make things for ms? | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | lardman: sure "work on things w/ the biggest targets first" | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | gate5 is part of nokia | 13:32 |
| lardman | ok | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but it acts independently | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it isn't beholden to maemo devices at least | 13:33 |
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| * Trizt has to wait until his all images has been re-indexed again :( | 13:33 | |
| lardman | ok, makes sense | 13:33 |
| * noobmonk3y grumbles and slaps frals with a huuuuuger tuna.... no trout around :( | 13:37 | |
| noobmonk3y | huuuuuger?!- meh huuuuuge* | 13:38 |
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| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 13:42 | |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 13:43 | |
| noobmonk3y | off for your finnish jolly yet? | 13:43 |
| frals | aye at the airport waiting for my flight atm | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww have fun :D | 13:43 |
| frals | just got my ssh tunnel up so i could rdp home | 13:43 |
| frals | one thing good with the volcano shit is that this airport opened up their wireless for free because of it | 13:44 |
| pupnik | is it overloaded? | 13:44 |
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| frals | nah they usually charge like 5€/30min or something silly for it | 13:45 |
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| Trizt | frals; you been at the airport in Budapest, they have one of those ~€5/30 too, but then you have also access to two free ones too (at least that was the case two years ago) | 13:47 |
| awilkins | Howdy, anyone here with admin oversight to the maemo.org bugtracker? | 13:47 |
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| RST38h | ah shit=( | 13:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, Thankyou for your patch to h/c a week or so ago! :D just got round to implementing it :D | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals! | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | free = good :D | 13:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | any reason why hciconfig hci0 isnt working from pythong but is fine in x-terminal? | 13:57 |
| noobmonk3y | python* | 13:57 |
| frals | you are doing something wrong? ;) | 13:58 |
| noobmonk3y | just trying to drag BT MAC address | 13:58 |
| noobmonk3y | sh:hciconfig: not found | 13:58 |
| noobmonk3y | is the response i get | 13:58 |
| frals | give fullpath to the exectuable? | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | speify an abosolure path? | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | not root/ | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmm good point! | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | now i need to find it ;) | 13:59 |
| FauxFaux | which | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | hciconfig | 13:59 |
| FauxFaux | ... | 13:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ...? | 13:59 |
| FauxFaux | Type "which hciconfig". | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm nothing | 14:00 |
| frals | :D | 14:00 |
| noobmonk3y | (literally nothing, no error) | 14:01 |
| FauxFaux | That means that you were lying. | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | lol this cryptic stuff is worse then frals's trouts | 14:01 |
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| frals | :D | 14:01 |
| FauxFaux | Typing "hciconfig" is essentially the same as copying the output of "which hciconfig" and running that instead. | 14:02 |
| frals | /usr/sbin/hciconfig noobmonk3y | 14:02 |
| frals | i actually got my phone out of my pocket just to get that for you! | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | wonder why i can run it fine | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | but cant which it | 14:02 |
| noobmonk3y | must be making a stupid typo somewhere | 14:02 |
| FauxFaux | You're probably root and python isn't. | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | thanks frals | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | nope, fresh xterm | 14:03 |
| frals | need to be root to see it with which | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It's safe to blame all unexpectedness on busybox being broken. | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 14:03 |
| FauxFaux | sbin isn't in the path on my n900.. | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Today my coffee boiled over in the microwave, I blame busybox. | 14:03 |
| frals | hmm an hour til my flight, should get something to eat | 14:04 |
| frals | the lack of power outlets here is disturbing | 14:04 |
| frals | seems to be one BEHIND the fire extinguisher thou | 14:04 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 14:04 |
| noobmonk3y | random though | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaa | 14:05 |
| FauxFaux | Don't unplug the fire extinguisher, that'd be a fire hazard! | 14:05 |
| noobmonk3y | thanks frals - is working in python now! | 14:05 |
| frals | np! | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i realised its still wrong when used in a window with a title | 14:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:25 |
| lcuk | but its better than it was :p | 14:26 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :D works fine for me | 14:26 |
| * lcuk nods | 14:26 | |
| lcuk | frals, good luck | 14:26 |
| frals | :) | 14:26 |
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| frals | VDVsx: you free tonight? fancy getting a coffee with me and timeless_mbp? | 14:27 |
| * noobmonk3y wants a beer in helsinki.... sounds more fun then dinner at the gf's mums..... | 14:27 | |
| frals | lol noobmonk3y :D | 14:28 |
| VDVsx | frals, depends on the time :D, but probably yes | 14:28 |
| frals | VDVsx: im arriving at hel airport at ~16, then i have to get my luggage and get to radisson blu | 14:29 |
| frals | im sure you know how long that takes better than me :D | 14:29 |
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| VDVsx | frals, so you should arrive around 17h here (30min trip) | 14:30 |
| frals | 17-18ish i guess, taking the airport bus to central station or whats it called and probably walking from there | 14:30 |
| VDVsx | ah by bus, I always used taxi | 14:31 |
| VDVsx | :D | 14:31 |
| frals | hehe | 14:31 |
| frals | 2 asian ladies just sat down next to me | 14:32 |
| frals | betwee nthe two of them they got _9_ bags | 14:32 |
| lcuk | frals, central station has big heavy doors! | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | frals: pass them a cup. | 14:32 |
| frals | lcuk: :D | 14:32 |
| frals | oh flight boarding | 14:32 |
| frals | laters o/ | 14:33 |
| Termana | yes asian ladies looking over frals shoulder - we are talking about you | 14:33 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 14:33 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:33 |
| noobmonk3y | ciao frals | 14:33 |
| timeless_mbp | have a good flight | 14:34 |
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| pillar_ | what's happening in Helsinki that ppl are coming over here? | 14:35 |
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| pillar_ | or is it just frals? | 14:35 |
| VDVsx | pillar_, free candies | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | just frals | 14:35 |
| Barttech | hey folks | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx has been here for a while if not longer | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | pillar_: maemo hq, :P | 14:35 |
| * timeless_mbp has been here for 4 years | 14:36 | |
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| pillar_ | Stskeeps: ah, alright | 14:36 |
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| * timeless_mbp supposes VDVsx is a finn and thus has been here for life | 14:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | poor guy | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, where are you guys planning to go for coffee, or you didn't decided yet ? | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, lol | 14:36 |
| VDVsx | I live here for less than a month :D | 14:37 |
| Barttech | ooh its le:et! happy new leet :p | 14:37 |
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| Barttech | here, anyway | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: ok, that just makes you misguided :) | 14:37 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | we didn't pick a place | 14:38 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 14:38 | |
| pillar_ | now that the snow gone, it's actually pretty nice here | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | there's cafe java | 14:38 |
| timeless_mbp | there are some fancier places along esplanad | 14:38 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 14:38 | |
| * MohammadAG suggests a Nokia Service Center | 14:39 | |
| pillar_ | there should be cafe Qt close to the hq :) | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | "morning" everyone :) | 14:39 |
| timeless_mbp | pillar: sadly oracle is in northern espoo | 14:39 |
| * timeless_mbp is going there sometime this week | 14:39 | |
| Barttech | hey MohammedAG | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | hey mo! | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | pillar_, they have to compile there own coffee there | 14:39 |
| pillar_ | hehe | 14:39 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, I live near to the hotel where frals will be staying, so not far from here would be good :D | 14:39 |
| * lcuk gets a nice cup of java | 14:39 | |
| MohammadAG | hey Barttech & noobmonk3y | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 14:40 |
| * Barttech doesnt like coffee | 14:40 | |
| * MohammadAG hands lcuk some bacon | 14:40 | |
| lcuk | \o/ | 14:40 |
| Barttech | wheres my bacon? :p | 14:40 |
| * MohammadAG doesn't like coffee too | 14:40 | |
| * lcuk ate it | 14:40 | |
| MohammadAG | sorry i'm out | 14:40 |
| Barttech | *gasp* | 14:41 |
| * MohammadAG points at noobmonk3y | 14:41 | |
| Barttech | you stole my bacon Icuk :( | 14:41 |
| * noobmonk3y wants bacon :( | 14:41 | |
| noobmonk3y | Icuk - lol the apple version of lcuk ;) | 14:41 |
| frals | nice, i got the emergency exit right next to me | 14:41 |
| pillar_ | I just ate, no need for bacon | 14:41 |
| lcuk | Barttech, you got the wrong guy, theres no icuk | 14:41 |
| frals | extra leg space! | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, ..... did they sit you in a fire engine instead of a plane? | 14:42 |
| Barttech | oh | 14:42 |
| pillar_ | frals: score | 14:42 |
| lcuk | frals, they will give you the talk | 14:42 |
| Barttech | well im on my N900 :p so l, I, no diff to me :p | 14:42 |
| lcuk | and you can only sit there if you are over 14 | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: you realize none of this is really >20mins walk | 14:42 |
| lcuk | so they will prolly move you | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: If you have to ditch, can you try to send a pic on the way down the slide? | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: have you seen eat.fi? | 14:42 |
| frals | lol lcuk | 14:42 |
| frals | fu :) | 14:42 |
| timeless_mbp | http://eat.fi/en/helsinki | 14:42 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, yes, I know that | 14:42 |
| * SpeedEvil begins editing frals's obit for encyclopedia dramatica. | 14:43 | |
| Barttech | omg its chloe and bill! | 14:43 |
| * Barttech is watching 24 | 14:43 | |
| lcuk | damnit Barttech | 14:43 |
| timeless_mbp | we could do http://eat.fi/helsinki/gran-delicato-cafe i suppose | 14:44 |
| Barttech | what? :P | 14:44 |
| timeless_mbp | but it'll close @6p, which is cutting it close | 14:44 |
| Barttech | its like season 3 :p | 14:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | maybe we should just do dinner instead of coffee | 14:44 |
| lcuk | theres the irish bar round the corner from vdvsx and the blu - they do coffees afaik | 14:45 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp really wants dinner and not just coffee, hence his suggestion | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: i could go for lunch now, i suppose | 14:45 |
| timeless_mbp | or breakfast | 14:45 |
| Barttech | well you guys have fun with your coffee, bacontalk made me hungry so im gonna eat :p | 14:45 |
| Barttech | bye peeps! | 14:45 |
| * MohammadAG gives timeless_mbp the rest of the bacon he has | 14:46 | |
| lcuk | Barttech, order a bacon airstrike | 14:46 |
| Barttech | hahaha | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | cya Barttech | 14:46 |
| Barttech | i dont have the authority to do that | 14:46 |
| Barttech | bb :) | 14:46 |
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| MohammadAG | lies, he's just ordering it for himself | 14:46 |
| frals | i think everyone else on this flight knows eachother | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | do you think if you sent rocket guided pig missile it would cook en route and explode in a mammoth flash of light and crackling? | 14:48 |
| lcuk | frals, they are just being nice - turn to the person next to you and chat | 14:48 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:48 |
| frals | lol | 14:48 |
| frals | judging by their convos they know each other or just like over sharing with stangers | 14:49 |
| frals | also none next to me :( | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://metalab.at/wiki/Salami_Rocket | 14:49 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, dinner also works for me (stupid strike!!) :D | 14:50 |
| lcuk | frals, talk to yourself then! | 14:50 |
| timeless_mbp | strike? | 14:50 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nice | 14:50 |
| frals | dinner works for me as well | 14:50 |
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| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, yes, there's was a 3 days strike of the supermarket/groceries stores employees :D | 14:52 |
| * MohammadAG takes a picture of the ground and sends it to frals "We wish you were here" :P | 14:52 | |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: hrm, do those guys do anything? | 14:53 |
| * lcuk can hear the indiana jones music and a map showing frals gps location | 14:53 | |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't remember getting service in such places | 14:53 | |
| frals | time to turn off the cellradio | 14:53 |
| frals | ciao o/ | 14:53 |
| lcuk | \o | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | cya :) | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | (why do we have to turn off cell radios?) | 14:54 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: VDVsx: ill sms you when i get to the hotel | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | someone forget their N73 in online mode from take off till landing | 14:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer blinks | 14:54 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 14:54 |
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| MohammadAG | on a flight I was on | 14:54 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, one of my mates realised his phone was on when he got an sms as we were coming into land | 14:55 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, they put the products in the shelfs, at least :D | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'll quote you on my next flight | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | "It's safe" | 14:55 |
| lcuk | :| | 14:55 |
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| Termana | I think now days its just a safety measure, "just in case" | 14:56 |
| * lcuk is a good passenger and turns off all electronics and tries to read deadtrees | 14:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | right | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you think you can ground a plane with a cellphone? c'mon | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, does overclocking affect plane's radios? | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 14:57 |
| Termana | MohammadAG: lol | 14:57 |
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| MiXu- | I heard somewhere that a transmitting phone at 10km could cause problems for some cell towers | 14:57 |
| MiXu- | Don't know if that's true though. | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also a lie | 14:58 |
| MiXu- | Ok, good to know :) | 14:59 |
| lcuk | its still an astute call to ban anytihng that can potentially intefere and an even better thing that no matter how right or wrong the rule is to follow guidance :p | 14:59 |
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| lcuk | because its not the stewardess's who make the rules so why make their job harder by arguing :P | 14:59 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer: Who said anything about grounding the airplane - I thought it was to do with interference with onboard systems | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure it's more sensible to power down cellphones in your car, rather than in a plane | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: that's what will finally ground a plane the hard way, otherwise they wouldn't care - right? | 15:01 |
| MiXu- | The best thing about having to turn off the phones in a plane is that you don't have to listen to others babbling on the phone. | 15:01 |
| lcuk | +1 | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so it's not a threat to keep it on? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a threat to the steardess | 15:01 |
| lcuk | respect her authoritah | 15:02 |
| Termana | lol | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | some airlines are starting to implement micro-bts to their planes and allow usage of all cellphones during flight | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they wouldn't do if they were afraid their planes weren't tested thoroughly to withstand all cellphone radiation without adverse effects | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what would happen if I turn on JoikuSpot and everyone connects on the same plane | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing | 15:04 |
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| MohammadAG | frals's still here | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG | wonder if he has a bouncer or something | 15:06 |
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| lcuk | he is currently being pounced on by 4 athletic stewardesses and put into a thigh grip headlock for leaving his cell radio on | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | takes a while till kick due to no ping | 15:08 |
| lcuk | his last irc message is pending transmission "arghhhhh" | 15:08 |
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| ShadowJK | The theory with the microbts is that the phones will be whsipering to reach the bts instead of screaming through the aluminium shell and 10km to ground :) | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | stewardesses decide based on a solid ignorance about which devices they allow during flight and which they ask really harsh to switch off. | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's basically true, but GSM negotiation always done with maximum power :-P | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | Ryanair bans all gadgets, probably so they don't have to keep up with what gadgets radiate and what gadgets dont radiate :D | 15:13 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: plane has to take that sort of interferences | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: because if you have 300 people on a plane at least one will forget to switch of his phone | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and during stat/landing you get 100.000 times stronger RF from the outside, from BTS and directed transmissions | 15:15 |
| lcuk | and if 50 people hear that phone getting a message it will spark similar debate | 15:15 |
| lcuk | which having spooked passengers is the part that is not welcome | 15:16 |
| jacekowski | i think that's just to show passengers that they care | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | I would have thought that GSM phones inside would cause bigger blips than a BTS outside | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | switch to silent | 15:16 |
| redeeman | lol spooked passengers | 15:16 |
| redeeman | those passengers would have to be asshat idiots with an IQ of 40 | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: but all the antennae are outside :-P | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh. | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | It's the wires running from front of airplane to the back of airplane I'd worry about :) | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | That would be a fun app. | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | A honeypot | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | fake paypal, bank websites, ... | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: fly-by-wire you bet is much harder than that | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | err hardeneder? | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's ethernet based | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | I ordered a desktop charger on 1/4, still haven't received it | 15:20 |
| redeeman | ShadowJK: if your cellphone doesn't cause your intel cpu to make millions of errors in a second, it surely won't interefere with big control signals on a plane | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | and ethernet is quite protected against external interferences | 15:20 |
| ShadowJK | redeeman, actually it crashes my laptop | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | ;P | 15:21 |
| redeeman | i don't believe that, atleast not from the radiation | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | my beloved only laptop, PS/Note :( | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | let me put it this way: a plane you could cause serious trouble with a cellphone on it never would get FIAA or any other cert | 15:21 |
| redeeman | its obvious | 15:22 |
| redeeman | otherwise people could just beam 1800mhz radiation at planes to crash them | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You can! | 15:22 |
| redeeman | and obviously that does not happen | 15:22 |
| redeeman | SpeedEvil: sure, if you transmit at several yottawatts | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You just have to melt the wings off, and the plane will crash. This is a serious vulnerability to microwave radiation. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, milttary does - at peak levels in GW | 15:22 |
| redeeman | but good luck doing that | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | I wonder if using a 200mW laser + a magnifying glass would bring down the motor | 15:23 |
| lcuk | redeeman, do you actually use these arguments on the plane yourself ? | 15:23 |
| redeeman | i just tell them i turn the radio off | 15:23 |
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| redeeman | and then when i leave i tell "whoops forgot to turn radio off.. we didn't crash..." | 15:24 |
| lcuk | i would accidentally move the boarding tunnel as you were getting off for that remark | 15:24 |
| redeeman | yeah right, you just try | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I suspect not complyin with the request is a terrorist act. | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | It'd be more effective to radiate in 108-130MHz near airports in fog ;) | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or will be seen as one by some. | 15:25 |
| redeeman | SpeedEvil: possibly, but im also a terrorist for a variety of other reasons, one more won't hurt | 15:25 |
| lcuk | not really, they would just remove you from the flight | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | as is prolonged shitting | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | "remove" you | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | sounds weird lol | 15:25 |
| redeeman | lcuk: and then i'd threaten with beaming a few hundred watts of 1800mhz radio against the plane as it flies | 15:26 |
| redeeman | :) | 15:26 |
| lcuk | its quite easy, their flight, their plane, their rules | 15:26 |
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| redeeman | but that's why i don't really fly | 15:26 |
| * MohammadAG_ remembers the PlayStaion® Home ad | 15:26 | |
| redeeman | the fucking airlines are just not worth it | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cmon guys, all airlines I've seen so far allow laptop usage. Start to think... | 15:28 |
| redeeman | yeah then just notify them "whoops, my eee has mobile broadband, guess i forgot that!!" | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly it's much more hazardous to have an enabled cellphone around when you refuel your car, or just driving same car (airbag!), than in an airplane that's really thoroughly tested | 15:36 |
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| Corsac | yeah | 15:38 |
| Corsac | having a cellphone switched on in a prius is suicide | 15:39 |
| Corsac | but it's not really because of the cellphone | 15:39 |
| * MohammadAG is off to be a terrorist on a plane | 15:39 | |
| MohammadAG | 1. switch on phone | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | 2. get hostages | 15:39 |
| * Corsac logs to the NSA | 15:39 | |
| MohammadAG | 3. battery runs out, I'm f'd | 15:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're f'd no matter what you do, when you start that action ;-P | 15:40 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, we've all seen bank getting robbed with fake guns so... :) | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | It's amusing how those allegedly out of control toyotas showed no wear on the brake pads :P | 15:41 |
| ShadowJK | And you know, if you drive way too fast in a curve, and the rear starts sliding, you're SUPPOSED to get slammed into a tree if you slam the brakes or floor the accelerator ;p | 15:42 |
| Corsac | I have to admit I got on a prius and got out alive | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: terrorist game is a lose/lose game by definition, both sides can only chose to bet higher | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it worked well in Modern Warfare 2 | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | (PS3 game, if you don't know it :P) | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the only reason a person might decide to go terrorist path is either depp desparation, or 70 virgins (which both is pathological) | 15:47 |
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| FIQ | hm | 15:47 |
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| FIQ | i once tried installing mksh | 15:47 |
| FIQ | it failed | 15:48 |
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| FIQ | and now i cannot even uninstall it | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mksh?? | 15:49 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: You mean, you are not even gonna get to the point of killing hostages slowly, one by one, throwing their cooling corpses off the plane? | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 'jump out that door now, or I'll ssh you with my phone' XP | 15:52 |
| lcuk | is there a chance tweego crash report will include my password in amongst its info | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is tweego? | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | iirc a twitter client | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but generally speaking each coredump may contain all the info the crashing app was holding | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it most likely does | 15:56 |
| frals | wow wlan here is flaky | 15:56 |
| frals | remind me to add a "never download mms" mode in fmms, being charged 3€ per mb here lol | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 15:58 |
| lcuk | haha | 15:58 |
| mikki-kun | hey, how can i add an escape chat to my keyboard? | 15:58 |
| mikki-kun | chat == char | 15:58 |
| FauxFaux | Soldering iron. | 15:58 |
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| mikki-kun | well, no hardware-side hacking =p | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | RST38h, nope, battery wouldn't last me that long | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters | 15:59 |
| mikki-kun | thanks :) | 15:59 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: You can use other tools for that | 15:59 |
| mikki-kun | cause i think about making an SSH server with X11Forwarding so that my N900 will not need as many apps | 15:59 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: here = @HEL? | 16:01 |
| mikki-kun | btw, the enter key is named "KP_Enter" ;/ | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | welcome to _ground_ :) | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: and what you want is "don't download while roaming" | 16:02 |
| ShadowJK | I'd want a "don't use packet data while roaming" that can tell the difference between Virtual Operators and real roaming ;p | 16:02 |
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| crashanddie | mikki-kun: that's going to be slow as hell, and suck donkey balls | 16:08 |
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| mikki-kun | crashanddie: what will be slow? X11 forwarding? no, not really tbh... it does work pretty nice in my network at least | 16:18 |
| mikki-kun | on the road though... that's a different story... | 16:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | has someone managed to get x2x clipboard sharing working? | 16:25 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd really need it... | 16:25 |
| Shapeshifter | humm. now it seems to work | 16:28 |
| Shapeshifter | ah, but only from the n900 to the desktop. not the other way around. If I select some text on the n900 using my mouse it gets copied and I can paste it on my desktop. the other way around, nothing gets pasted. | 16:28 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm guessing this is most likely because of the fact that neither middle-click on the mouse nor shift-insert do anything on the n900. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you're aware there are always 2 copybuffers | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | X and clipboard | 16:29 |
| Shapeshifter | yes | 16:29 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: but from the desktop to the n900, both don't work. if I select something on my desktop (X clipboard) and shift-insert/middleclick on the n900, nothing happens. Same if I ctrl-c something on my desktop (e.g. text in the browser) and then ctrl-v on the n900 (e.g. IM window). actually, the latter pastes into the IM window whatever I copied last on the n900 itself | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 16:32 |
| Shapeshifter | copied as in ctrl-c on the n900 | 16:32 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. I miss xev on the n900... | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: ssh -X from n900 to desktop | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | xev | 16:33 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: oha! | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | or firefox | 16:35 |
| Shapeshifter | too bad it's fullscreen ;) and no pointer. I wonder how I can make the pointer show all the time. I got it to show up occasionally, and always when I'm in IM for example. | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | turn powersaving off before running apps with a GUI | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | firefox with powersaving on is painful | 16:35 |
| Corsac | hmhm, picture viewer seems to choke when there are too much large pictures | 16:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: where do I turn powersaving off? | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | lmao "Sargeant, it's cold" "Cold eh? I know what'll warm you up, 200 push ups" | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: In the internet connection setup | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | or iwconfig wlan0 power off | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: thanks | 16:37 |
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| lcuk | Corsac, like how too much largneness are we talking? | 16:37 |
| Corsac | hmhm, few megs, pictures taken by my eos 350d | 16:37 |
| Corsac | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 2.4M Mar 28 06:46 IMG_5148.JPG | 16:38 |
| Corsac | find . -name '*.JPG' | wc -l | 16:39 |
| Corsac | 1252 | 16:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a builtin GUI closed app that doesn't suck? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | windows xp wasnt bad | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Clock sucks, calendar sucks, blocks has problems, camera has problems, photos has problems, calculator is sort-of-ok, but clunky | 16:41 |
| * ShadowJK finds clock and calendar functional | 16:42 | |
| derf | microb is mostly okay. | 16:42 |
| lcuk | is there any piece of software open or closed which doesn't suck? | 16:42 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, not entirely, no :P | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | clock annoys me by not having a nice fullscreen mode - see flipclock - and the alarm managment blowing goats. | 16:42 |
| lcuk | or rather, any piece of software open or closed that manages to make everyone happy | 16:42 |
| lcuk | i adore the alarm management | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | calendar by not supporting arbitrary minutes, and the date-setting being designed by someone who heard about the gregorian calendar once, when very, very drunk. | 16:43 |
| lcuk | having historical alarms to just tick back on is genius | 16:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: MC does not suck. | 16:44 |
| lcuk | maybe not for you | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - that is a nice feature - however - I click 'new alarm' - I want immediately to be presented with a UI to set the time of the alarm. | 16:44 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh, what WM does the n900 use, btw? | 16:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Obviously, none of my stuff sucks, and if you say the opposite, you suck =) | 16:44 |
| Shapeshifter | matchbox I heard? | 16:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, damned if they do, damned if they dont | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It takes something like 10 touches to set an alarm for 1:50PM say | 16:45 |
| lcuk | at least they are touches and you dont need stylus to do it | 16:46 |
| lcuk | try it on the 810 | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Don't you like touching your tablet tough, Speedevil? | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | And why do alarms get 1 min granularity - but clock gets 5 min? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Took less on the n810 | 16:46 |
| lcuk | afaik everything is on one screen there | 16:46 |
| lcuk | and very fiddly | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | I just keep the old alarms around and reactivate them | 16:46 |
| * ShadowJK has about 3 | 16:46 | |
| lcuk | so, its 1 click! | 16:47 |
| lcuk | i have a scrolling list of all the times ive need to get up ever i think | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | I have a different problem | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | this one time I hit snooze for 4 hours | 16:47 |
| lcuk | what *does* frustrate me is the list isnt ordered as expected | 16:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - that can work well | 16:48 |
| ShadowJK | N900 needs to have a servoactuated arm to throw me out of bed :/ | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: echo 23249235495>/sys/class/led/vibrator | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 16:49 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats wrong | 16:49 |
| lcuk | thats the hammer option | 16:49 |
| lcuk | not the servo | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a syntax error | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I know it's not the proper path, I decidd against looking it up. | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo won't stream a cr/nl to FD 23249235495 | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yes it will | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 16:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh. Does someone know where to get a list of these names used in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51? For example I'd like to replace an fn+something character, which is "ç" on my keyboard. I see in that file that it is called ccedilla/Ccedilla. I'd like to replace it with "|". no idea how this vertical line is called. I tried looking in /usr/share/X11/XKeysymDB but this doesn't seem to be the right place. | 16:55 |
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| Shapeshifter | I'd also need "¨". | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: http://qkwv.com/pipe.jpg | 16:57 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: well I know it's a pipe symbol. is it called pipe? ;) | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:58 |
| Ken-Young | pipe is called "bar" | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | look at the pipe symbol on your pxc | 16:58 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: ah good idea | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | state 0x1, keycode 51 (keysym 0x7c, bar), same_screen YES, | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7c) "|" | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7c) "|" | 16:58 |
| Ken-Young | I switched "sterling" to "bar", and got pipe. | 16:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | thanks! | 16:59 |
| Shapeshifter | I guess "%" is "percent"? | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Tehre is a keysym editor I thought in extras-devel | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, here's enough of for all of you ;-) | 16:59 |
| Shapeshifter | ah yeah xev works perfectly for looking up this stuff. | 17:00 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: thanks | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | keysym editor would be mad usefull | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | woot it worked | 17:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer hugs his new shiny qwerty kbd | 17:02 | |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. but I wonder why there's four entries for each key. the last one doesn't seem to work | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | last one is shift-ctrl or sth | 17:03 |
| mikki-kun | hm, is it smart to change ctrl and fn? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr, 42 | 17:04 |
| mikki-kun | well, at least some answer :D | 17:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work. e.g. the stock rx-51 file has: key <AB08>{ \[udiaeresis,Udiaeresis,egrave,Egrave ] }; indicating that one is é and the other É. but none of ctrl-shift-ö fn-shift-ö or ctrl-fn-ö yield it. | 17:06 |
| Shapeshifter | ü rather | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably ALT, and N900 kbd is missing alt-key as we all know | 17:07 |
| Shapeshifter | ah yes. | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or alt-gr | 17:07 |
| Shapeshifter | alt-gr is FN | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/ | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | not quite what I recalled | 17:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | did frals arrive at the seaside? | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man xkbcomp might be a good starting point | 17:13 |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, he langed just over hour ago, mentioned he was getting bus then walking from central | 17:14 |
| lcuk | landed too | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, i know he landed | 17:15 |
| n900_user | hi, when I go to scratch box and type "sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL", I get "Hangup; tset: unknown terminal type xterm" | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | btw I wonder if they'll ever fix this irritating behaviour in X Terminal, where some characters (multibyte?) which only take one space get registered as two (or something...) and when you erase them you have to erase two characters for it to pick it up. | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | man keymaps | 17:16 |
| n900_user | what is the initial terminal in scratchbox? | 17:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of course man xmodmap | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | enough of captain obvious | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | keyboard symbols can be dangerous. | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/380/ Especially some unicode ones. | 17:20 |
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| n900_user | anybody got the error :"tset: unknown terminal type xterm" or is it only me? | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | a PR1.2 release date thread | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh the hong kong stuff | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | nvm | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | n900_user, never got it | 17:28 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: just checked in | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | wb frals | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ack | 17:29 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: im gonna shower and unpack, how long does it take you to get to radison blue seaside? | 17:31 |
| Shapeshifter | mh. this is odd. I'm using the Swiss layout, and I replaced include "nokia_vndr/rx-51(arrows_2btns)" with the 4btns counterpart. Then, I uncommented the two keys that are extra in the Swiss keyboard layout ( //key <UP> and //key <LEFT> ) and changed the 4btns layout at the end of the file to include Home/End/Pg_Up/Pg_Down when pressing shift. Everything else I did works, however if I press shift+an arrow, stuff like this appears: 2A ... | 17:31 |
| Shapeshifter | ... 2D 2B 2C. | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ~15min | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50994 :-/ | 17:32 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: meet in the lobby here in ~30min? | 17:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 17:33 |
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| frals | do you have vdvsx cell# so we can grab him somewhere as well? he was in centre somewhere he said | 17:33 |
| Shapeshifter | ah nevermind. forgot to change the "PC_FN_LEVEL2" bit | 17:34 |
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| jacekowski | does anybody have any experience with scratchbox on amd64? | 17:34 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what provides aclocal | 17:35 | |
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| jacekowski | autotools | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | authconfig.spec autoconf.spec autoconf213.spec automake.spec automake14.spec automake17.spec autotrace.spec m4.spec | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which? | 17:36 |
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| * Shapeshifter likes his new keymap :) | 17:39 | |
| jacekowski | automake | 17:39 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: | 17:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp is building it now | 17:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard >>Just noticed that this makes N900 drain battery !!! (N900 was shutdown in the morning). After executing this maemo-xinput-sounds takes >90% of cpu time. Killing the process will be a temporary fix; I'll look for better solution...<< HEH? o.O | 17:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah I saw that. I wonder what he means to say | 17:45 |
| Shapeshifter | seems very unrelated | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:45 |
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| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: he meant to say "I'm an idiot who confuses correlation and causation" | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:48 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 17:49 |
| Termana | I think what its saying (in context) is that when you execute the script below, for some reason maemo-xinput-sounds will hog the CPU. The only way to stop it is to kill the maemo-xinput-sounds process | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | rasterman | 17:49 |
| awilkins | Ooh, pipes on the hardkeys | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:49 |
| awilkins | Sweet | 17:49 |
| Disconnect | any way to make ^I persistent in browser? pita to have to pop the kb and hit it every time i open a new window | 17:49 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: wassap! | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: noting really new here | 17:50 |
| raster | boo | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | got my N900 back | 17:50 |
| Ken-Young | raster, Is your N900 still behaving badly - unexplained reboots, etc? | 17:50 |
| ShadowJK | Where did your N900 go? | 17:50 |
| awilkins | Repair centre? | 17:50 |
| raster | Ken-Young: n900 has been relegated to glorified wifi tablet plugged in all day. it briked itself while iw as travelling | 17:50 |
| raster | i dont trust it | 17:50 |
| awilkins | Or did you plug it into an Arduino with an RC car attached | 17:50 |
| raster | somehow i managed to magically resurrect it with enough tries and a full reflash | 17:51 |
| Macer | haha | 17:51 |
| raster | a few aborted half-reflahses that failed part-way | 17:51 |
| Macer | damn that sucks | 17:51 |
| raster | etc. | 17:51 |
| raster | i was using it day to day | 17:51 |
| raster | but i stopped | 17:51 |
| Macer | mine has been working like a champ | 17:51 |
| raster | it makes the freerunner look stable and solid | 17:51 |
| raster | :) | 17:51 |
| awilkins | I'm hoping mine doesn't need returning, apparently the reason the "phone" bit stopped working was that my IMEI has been banned | 17:51 |
| raster | but i did build efl for it | 17:52 |
| raster | did some testing | 17:52 |
| Macer | your imei was banned?? | 17:52 |
| raster | reported some gl-es bugs to nokia | 17:52 |
| Macer | wtf? | 17:52 |
| raster | awilkins: wtf? | 17:52 |
| Ken-Young | raster, Sorry you got a lemon. I've have no problems at all with mine. Not a single spontaneous reboot, in 5+ months. | 17:52 |
| raster | Ken-Young: as i said... lemon device for me | 17:52 |
| raster | got very little good to say about it | 17:52 |
| awilkins | I suspect someone mistyped an IMEI from another phone into a lost or stolen form | 17:53 |
| Macer | raster: did you get it from tigerdirect | 17:53 |
| raster | performance is pretty poor too | 17:53 |
| Macer | they usually have subpar studd | 17:53 |
| raster | mostly due to nokia's gl-es implementation | 17:53 |
| Macer | stuf | 17:53 |
| raster | Macer: no - from Ken-Young | 17:53 |
| raster | :) | 17:53 |
| awilkins | I've done everything including a squeaky-clean bleached-bones reinstall of OS + eMMC | 17:53 |
| Macer | really? | 17:53 |
| Macer | cold blooded | 17:53 |
| Ken-Young | Macer, Yup. | 17:53 |
| Macer | haha | 17:53 |
| raster | i might try it again | 17:53 |
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| raster | one day | 17:53 |
| raster | but i have been too busy of late | 17:53 |
| Macer | you sold him a lemon? | 17:54 |
| awilkins | The syslogs say the phone is reading the SIM card (IMSI number and everything) so it's not the SIM which works in my other phone. | 17:54 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 17:54 |
| raster | i did use it to make sure efl work son it | 17:54 |
| raster | as i said | 17:54 |
| raster | has bugs in the gl-es libs | 17:54 |
| Ken-Young | Macer, I didn't mean to. I just bought one from Amazon for him. | 17:54 |
| raster | actual rendering issues and performance issues | 17:54 |
| Macer | oh | 17:54 |
| raster | nokia says thhey will not fix the perf issues | 17:54 |
| Macer | send it back | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: probably they simply can't | 17:54 |
| Macer | should have gotten it from dell or something | 17:55 |
| Macer | amazon is just ebay without bidding | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess gl-es libs are from 3rd party | 17:55 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: they can. they don't want to. | 17:55 |
| raster | i know nokia has the source to the libs | 17:55 |
| raster | they can - they just won't. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | source doesn't help if you don't have the competence inhouse. See calypso ;-P | 17:56 |
| raster | they ADDED extensions to it | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or glamo | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | raster: upgrading a gles lib in maintaince mode sounds a bit dangerous | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
| raster | a partial buffer flip and added compositing and xorg support | 17:56 |
| raster | they have the competence | 17:56 |
| raster | they won't | 17:56 |
| raster | (until maemo6) | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | xorg support? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
| raster | Stskeeps: not if its tested. it already needs upgrading due to bugs anyway | 17:57 |
| awilkins | Will there every be a Maemo 6 or is that just going to be Meego 1? | 17:57 |
| raster | and its not an upgrade | 17:57 |
| raster | its actual internal fixes at the driver leevel | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | awilkins: maemo6 will be branded meego for some godawful reason, but it's not meego 1.0 | 17:57 |
| raster | they dont do vsynced swaps | 17:57 |
| ShadowJK | awilkins, it will be Maemo6, but Maemo6 will be a forbidden word, so it'll be called MeeGo | 17:57 |
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| awilkins | Sounds like the Jar Jar Binks of OSs | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego (maemo edition) | 17:57 |
| raster | they do excess copies they can avoid - meaning for a gl app you will pay a chunky peerformance penalty | 17:57 |
| awilkins | "MeeGo make a phone call nowsa" | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nowsea | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | I'm relieved they atleast avoided a few extra copies in Xvideo :D | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | Although Xvideo in itself is an extra copy :( | 17:58 |
| raster | and then there are the rendering bugs themselves. dont know the status on that. bug filed.havent heard any movement on the bug of late :) | 17:58 |
| frals | hmm | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: the public bugtrac isn't what they use internally | 17:59 |
| frals | wonder what timeless looks like | 17:59 |
| Termana | frals: have a good flight? | 17:59 |
| frals | :D | 17:59 |
| frals | aye was 15min early even | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and no handcuffs | 18:00 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: well i got initial responses | 18:00 |
| raster | but no movement since | 18:01 |
| raster | so either its not done yet - no updates | 18:01 |
| raster | or there is one and they didnt notify the bug submitors of it | 18:01 |
| raster | dont know | 18:01 |
| raster | i've been away for a month | 18:01 |
| raster | just got back on friday | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, where? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | stuck in europe? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
| raster | n900 has been a dust magnet on my desk while i was away | 18:01 |
| raster | hahaha no no | 18:02 |
| raster | asia | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah as usual | 18:02 |
| raster | au -> sg -> kr -> jp -> sg -> au | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jp? nice | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mere leisure? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the jp part | 18:02 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: reason for going - work, but i threw in some extra destinations along the way | 18:04 |
| Shapeshifter | so, when disabling wlan power saving, the rear left of the n900 getting hot is normal, right? | 18:04 |
| raster | and yeah jp was leisure | 18:04 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah N900 would get hot without wlan powersaving | 18:05 |
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| raster | why disable it? | 18:06 |
| PhonicUK | Wifi power saving is annoying | 18:06 |
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| PhonicUK | stops it accepting new incomming connections :\ | 18:06 |
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| awilkins | It does? I've not had any trouble getting SSH connections into it | 18:10 |
| awilkins | I've been doing all my file transfer via SSH | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've noticed xchat lags of up to 60 sec, probably sometimes more | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea if it's related to wifi powersaving | 18:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | never lags for me | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm doing a rundown test - with wlan active | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | 24h on ~18% battery | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | both PC & N900 on same router-AP, same freenode server -> PC shows some highlight... (60sec later) N900 yells | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure this depends on AP as much as on N900 wifi settings | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, I have no problems with my APs and PSM | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | got a "Level One" cheapAP and a Linksys WRT45GL | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh (with pubkey) sometimes lags some seconds, sometime it's instantly (login that is) | 18:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | ssh login is always slow here. | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but there's slow and sloooooow | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freakin shit, my .ssh got nuked as well | 18:21 |
| Shapeshifter | by what? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it's kinda PITA to *completely* restore a device | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: repair shop | 18:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 18:21 |
| opdf2 | anyone using vikuiti protector? cant seem to apply without bubbles... | 18:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | opdf2: don't worry about it | 18:22 |
| Shapeshifter | opdf2: I have a cleartec and it doesn't stick well, and it's also scratched already. | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: bubbles go in a couple of days | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: unless there is a solid object underneath them | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not caused by dust | 18:22 |
| ShadowJK | opdf2, I have two bubbles, but both are outside the actual display area so I decided to go with that instead of using the second of the 3 I ordered :P | 18:22 |
| opdf2 | SpeedEvil: okay so the problem will fix it self. cool | 18:23 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: can u only apply once? | 18:24 |
| raster | ok | 18:24 |
| raster | sleepies | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I got http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180443766610&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT | 18:24 |
| PhonicUK | Anyone know if theres a way to disable wifi power saving when charging? | 18:24 |
| ShadowJK | opdf2, the part I tried to reapply gathered so much dust and similar it was worse than before :P | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | which works for me | 18:24 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: i see | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: n8 | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Which works for me | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | opdf2, the location I touched the bottom of it to peel it off never stuck to the screen again :P | 18:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | PhonicUK: I guess you can listen for the dbus signal of the charger plugging in and then run iwconfig power off or something like that | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: beware of wombats | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: duct tape | 18:25 |
| PhonicUK | Shapeshifter, I'd have to go and write a daemon then :\ | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, it's only a tiny spot :P | 18:25 |
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| opdf2 | ShadowJK: okay i'll be careful to not touch the sticky part | 18:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | PhonicUK: a general purpose dbus listening->action dbus daemon would be nice. | 18:26 |
| PhonicUK | aye | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I first take off the case, and _thouroughly_ clean the device, wash hands, arms, and put on a dust-free t-shirt - brush hair - or tie back. | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: check 'dbus python scripting' app | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Then clean with a old t-shirt - slightly dampened - to get it as clean as I can - then I use the cloth supplied | 18:27 |
| PhonicUK | I was rather hoping there was already a way to do it, otherwise its not worth the time | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't forget to do the whole procedure in a foggy bathroom :-) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | helps a lot to avoid flying dust | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 18:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | breathing on the surface - the condensation evaporating can help you see spots you'd miss normally | 18:31 |
| summel | i'd do it underwater just to be save | 18:31 |
| * Disconnect is a huge fan of invisishields. (disclaimer, i also have an affiliate link ;) ..) | 18:31 | |
| jacekowski | why i would need something like that | 18:32 |
| opdf2 | DocScrutinizer: good idea i'll steam the bathroom | 18:32 |
| Shapeshifter | Disconnect: I find them way to sticky | 18:32 |
| Shapeshifter | rubbery | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so lets sum up vikurtii (or whatever), special clothing, time, nervous breakdown, medical treatment -> not worth it, you get a new touchscreen for ~60bucks iirc | 18:32 |
| jacekowski | how much something like that costs? | 18:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: exactly | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: speaking personally, I would have destroyed my touchscreen twice already | 18:33 |
| Shapeshifter | mh maybe I should get one while they're still around | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and insurance excess is even cheaper | 18:33 |
| Shapeshifter | a touch screen I mean. | 18:33 |
| Disconnect | Shapeshifter: on my g1 i had issues with the shape (they tried to fold lots of complicated corners around curves and it never stuck) but left it on the screen - the smooth-glass feel it had before (and the way it picked up grease) pissed me off, the invisishield was a nice texture change | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | i have like £30 insurance excess for new phone | 18:33 |
| Disconnect | on the n900 i have one coming, haven't tried it yet. should arrive tomorrow actually. | 18:33 |
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| awilkins | Shapeshifter, Yes, I found the thing really stick and such a pain to put on. And the first day it looks like ass. | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: how much does it cost? | 18:34 |
| awilkins | But the second day... it's almost like having the original screen back. Only bouncier. | 18:34 |
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| Disconnect | i like the feel of teh screen w/o so we'll see. but it will protect it against (minor) scratches and such, have used it on a few resistive devices before | 18:34 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: its usually about $20USD for a full device or $10USD for just the screen. my macbook cover was $45USD or some such, but they've already swapped it free twice (discoloration and fading from heat and use) | 18:35 |
| awilkins | Why couldn't they have made a capacitive touchscreen with a fused sapphire glass :-P | 18:35 |
| awilkins | And a lilypad finish to dispel grease and dirt :-) | 18:35 |
| Disconnect | awilkins: take a look at gorilla glass screens. they basically did.. | 18:35 |
| Shapeshifter | awilkins: because resistive screens are teh awesome. | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | Disconnect: well, that's about how much i would have to pay for my insurance excess to get new phone | 18:36 |
| awilkins | Shapeshifter, I've not had a capacitive device, why are the resistive ones reckoned to be better? | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and capacitive sucks | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I want SAW, not capacitive | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | SAW + diamond = win | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (surface accoustic wave) | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack | 18:36 |
| Shapeshifter | awilkins: resistive is more accurate. some say the life time is also higher (although I doubt anyone would care= | 18:37 |
| Disconnect | awilkins: resistive is precise and uses any blunt object (eg styli) .. capacitive works through covers/etc w/o loss of precision, but is a little more 'vague'. and a lot more durable ('covers' often include a nearly indestructable glass sheet) | 18:37 |
| awilkins | I would think the capacitive ones lasted longer having no moving parts, being entirely solid state | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's no space inside N900 for the wiener sausage stylus you need for c-ts XP | 18:37 |
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| Disconnect | n900 is - as a lot of people have said - about the best resistive screen you'll see in a consumer device. | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, agree | 18:38 |
| Disconnect | but my g1 can take some pocket-change-attacks and not damage the screen. resistive screens can't be covered by anything 'solid' like that so they are more vulnerable | 18:38 |
| awilkins | I was impressed with the invisibleshield because I screwed up the first one | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I prefer to c-ts any day | 18:38 |
| awilkins | Dropped it on a printout | 18:38 |
| awilkins | The abuse it withstood afterwards impressed me | 18:39 |
| awilkins | Pens .... trying to tear it in half.... tried to bite a hole in it | 18:39 |
| awilkins | No visible marks | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: flexibility != surface ruggedness | 18:39 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: here's my housekey. lets test your n900 vs my g1 (or even better, a droid w/ gorilla glass and we'll use a framing nail :) ..) | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: I.E you could cover a r-ts plastic with diamond and it'll never ever scratch | 18:40 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: if it was covered with diamond it would also never work (or the flex would shatter the diamond) | 18:40 |
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| Surfa | is there timed profiles application or applet for maemo? | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, as very thin diamond is flexible enough to work | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: check 'alarmed' app | 18:41 |
| Surfa | ok thanks | 18:41 |
| TheRealHotshot | :) | 18:42 |
| Disconnect | ishield on gorilla glass is basically 100% about texture and 0% about protection (well, the full cladding protects the plastic etc but the screen is neigh invulnerable) .. on standard cap screens its a mix, on resistive its about protection :) | 18:42 |
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| jacekowski | i was abusing my iphone and n900 in a same way | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | and well, i scratched iphone | 18:43 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: show me someone who has actually productized that coating ;) | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | and i scratched n900 | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | NASA | 18:43 |
| Disconnect | jacekowski: iphone didn't use gorilla glass until the newest one afaik | 18:43 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: nasa doesn't have products :P | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I found http://www.green-pan.com/cookware/intro.asp interesting | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Disconnect: Shuttle | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A ceramic non-stick coating. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Alas stupidly expensive ATM. | 18:44 |
| ShadowJK | non-stick == it falls off? :D | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wanting a 20cm fryingpan for my new induction cooker - ~$100 | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a replacement for teflon | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | but good to 450C, not 260 | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and doesn't make nasty fumes when it gets hot | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and scratchproof I suppose :-P | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty much | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | they say you can use metallic spoons | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | though not knives | 18:45 |
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| Disconnect | a properly handled aluminum pan (with a proper chef behind it) is also non-stick :) | 18:45 |
| Disconnect | or cast iron. | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not in a microwave X-P | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. I have cast iron. it works well | 18:46 |
| awilkins | Seasoned cast iron | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | for some things | 18:46 |
| jacekowski | that gorilla glass doesn't look like a real glass | 18:46 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: can't microwave the green-pan either. its a ceramic COATING on a metal pan | 18:46 |
| RST38h | I bet it does not look like a real gorilla either... | 18:46 |
| awilkins | Or just a wok that's very very carbonized | 18:46 |
| Disconnect | RST38h++ :) | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I however want a general purpose thing that I can do omelettes in without fat. | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: I have a seasoned steel wok - works well. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah induction cooker | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: Especially with induction cooker | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry coffee doesn't kick in today | 18:47 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: hits cooking temp in buggerall seconds. | 18:47 |
| awilkins | I do like teflon pans. Until you let the mother-in-law near them | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Lets me move the wok around without stopping heating, and doesn't heat the room like a gas ring of equivalent output power would | 18:48 |
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| awilkins | She abused the last one so badly it's actually warped from the heat | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: the above is interesting as it's really quite hard to get a pan to 450C | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: it's not to get it to 260 | 18:48 |
| awilkins | And ecofriendly :-P | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'green' claims are a huge pile of bullshit. | 18:49 |
| awilkins | Never mind all the fuel burnt to heat the thing | 18:49 |
| awilkins | Exactly | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Apart from the PTFE gas emissions, which are real | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | and do kill pets | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | though their effect on humans is less severe | 18:49 |
| awilkins | If they were eco friendly they'd just say "don't cook with pans, it wastes loads of heat.." | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 18:50 |
| awilkins | Get a solar oven and a stewpot | 18:50 |
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| wazd | when should I watch Battlestar Galactica: the Plan ? :) | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | eat sushi! | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: I was surprised that the ~200W lowest setting on my induction cooker will actually boil stuff (slowly) | 18:51 |
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| kpel | does Maemo5 have any particular preference of memory card filesystems? I inserted a 2GB fat32 microSD card in a N900 but the phone cannot see the data | 18:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | awilkins: it's _much_ more efficient than my microwave. | 18:51 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: you're going to like my reply on MWKN ML | 18:51 |
| awilkins | SpeedEvil, I suspect Induction is pretty efficient | 18:52 |
| awilkins | Hmm, why would Maemo not read FAT32? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kpel: then something's wrong with your card | 18:52 |
| awilkins | Sounds like a pretty standard kernel module | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or PEBKAC | 18:52 |
| TheRealHotshot | brb | 18:52 |
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| ShadowJK | kpel, did you close the door? | 18:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | awilkins: ~90% vs ~70 for conventional electric rings, and ~50 for microwave | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | It should read fat32 | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | door/cover | 18:54 |
| kpel | ShadowJK: yes | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | insert correctly, close battery cover | 18:55 |
| summel | ah does it work if i format my sdhc card to ext2? | 18:55 |
| kpel | i can read the card fine from linux and winxp | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | kpel: mind to pastebin 'mount' output? | 18:55 |
| awilkins | Greenpan.... 24cm frying pan ... £45 holy moley | 18:55 |
| SpeedEvil | awilkins: yes - it's crazy money ATM. | 18:56 |
| kpel | DocScrutinizer: ok but it will take a moment. i am reformating the card and will now try to reinsert it in the phone without any data. | 18:56 |
| awilkins | SpeedEvil, Ok, that's the induction unit | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 18:56 |
| awilkins | SpeedEvil, The not-fat-bottomed-girls ones are a _bit_ cheaper | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | summel: n900 supports ext3, but all scripts that mount card have vfat hardcoded | 18:57 |
| summel | :( | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | summel: but you can work around that | 18:57 |
| summel | so i cant save files >2GB on it? | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's only one script | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | summel, up to 4GB per file | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | 3 scripts | 18:58 |
| ShadowJK | Generally the N900 mount process is something like this: list partition table, look for dos type partition, if there isn't one, abort. Try to mount as vfat. If it fails, abort. | 18:58 |
| summel | oh 4gb... | 18:58 |
| summel | thats enough | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | 2*sh +1*awk script | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, for an SD card it's 1 script | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | (unless he's talking about MyDocs) | 18:58 |
| summel | no the sdhc card | 18:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer rows brain at Nokia general direction | 18:59 | |
| MohammadAG_ | 1 script did it for me | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | throws | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | rcS-late | 18:59 |
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| summel | but 4gb files is enough... i only have a 16gb card ^^ | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | i have to buy 32g card | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | 16GBs here too | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | I want one, but it's too expensive for me | 19:00 |
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| summel | jacekowski: yes but they are too expensive atm :( | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | MyDocs is full | 19:00 |
| summel | more then 100€.... while a 16GB one is less then 50! | 19:00 |
| awilkins | My whole music collection is on there and it's only occupying 12GB... what are you sticking in these phones? | 19:00 |
| awilkins | 16 full length movies? | 19:01 |
| * ShadowJK has about 10 hours of crap downloaded from youtube still unwatched :( | 19:02 | |
| peetah | a stupid question for anyone that could answer: is the ear speaker recovered by the screen or is there a real hole at this place ? | 19:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs and markes 50% of ShadowJK' eMMC as bad blocks | 19:03 | |
| ShadowJK | D: | 19:03 |
| awilkins | peetah, What, on a screen protector? | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, locking the CPU @ 500 isn't recommended right? | 19:03 |
| peetah | I ask because I put a protection on the screen (invisibleshield) and I don't know if the thing that recover the hole is from the protection or from the original N900 | 19:04 |
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| kpel | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/gxFD3Wth | 19:04 |
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| peetah | and it seems that the sound is a bit low from the ear speaker | 19:04 |
| kpel | i remember /dev/mmcblk1 looked the same even before the format | 19:04 |
| peetah | awilkins: no, on the bare screen | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kpel: /dev/mmcblk1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat | 19:05 |
| awilkins | peetah, There's a hole in the screen | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK | peetah, there's a hole there for the speaker | 19:05 |
| awilkins | peetah, One of the i-s covers I got I had to pull the hole out for the speaker | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50993 | 19:05 |
| summel | is there a hardware shortcut to the "show all open applications" which i can use in fullscreen apps? | 19:05 |
| awilkins | peetah, The other one was cut better and the holes were already out | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK | peetah, also note that the volume keys work differently depending on teh app you're in... In the phone I think you press it outward (-) for increased volume :P | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | but i'm not sure | 19:06 |
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| kpel | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's how it always reads it. the problem is that it tends to trash any data there. | 19:06 |
| peetah | ok so I can safely make this hole: it is only altering the protection | 19:06 |
| peetah | ShadowJK: yep I noticed this about the volume keys | 19:06 |
| ShadowJK | don't cut too deep or you'll be cutting into the speaker | 19:07 |
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| peetah | ok thanks | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: thanks, pal. That made me angry once more | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | baron von bubba -> idiot | 19:09 |
| peetah | aaaaahhhh I just had to pull a little to remove the pre-cut cover | 19:10 |
| awilkins | Just pick it out with your girlfriends tweezers | 19:10 |
| peetah | it seems ok now | 19:10 |
| awilkins | Aha, done | 19:10 |
| awilkins | Check the proximity sensor and facecam as well | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, anytime mate | 19:10 |
| peetah | awilkins: I was just going to ask you :) | 19:10 |
| peetah | awilkins: I can see they are covered too, but it does not seems to alter the phone behavior or the quality of the facecam | 19:11 |
| peetah | (given that facecam is almost null quality) | 19:11 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG_: "locking at 500mhz will fry the device"? Don't you think you're slightly exaggerating? | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Shapeshifter, no | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | peetah: is there a hole in N900 surface for poximity sensor or frontcam? | 19:15 |
| peetah | DocScrutinizer: on the N900 screen, of course not :) | 19:16 |
| peetah | I've just removed the thin protection that remained from the i-s on ear speaker, sensor and frontcam | 19:17 |
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| peetah | I was not sure about the ear speaker and did not want to crack the screen: silly, but I really did not want to mess with my beloved | 19:17 |
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| peetah | thanks to awilkins and ShadowJK for keeping me safe | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking | 19:20 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, how do I undervolt this frying pan? | 19:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles 'braindamaged diletantic idiots' and wanders off | 19:22 | |
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| Shapeshifter | well. I'm not interested in overclocking my device, but still, we'll see if it will actually matter. Most likely those who overclock will have bought a new device long before electromigration has deteriorated their cpus... | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | It's not for some idiots electrocuting their CPU, it's for the 'expert image' and attitude they show off, thus speading nonsense to the brains of noobs | 19:25 |
| * crashanddie facepalms: http://notalwaysright.com/beyond-even-the-power-of-pixel-dust/5031 | 19:26 | |
| crashanddie | GAN900: specially for you | 19:26 |
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| dubzii | technically they could just clone brush the wall | 19:28 |
| mikki-kun | is there a way i can place a custom-made script on the home-screen so i can access it quickly? | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | commandline execution widget | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm actually looking for my variac to overvolt my microwave. | 19:29 |
| Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: write script, put .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: queen beecon > command line widget | 19:29 |
| mikki-kun | Shapeshifter: so, i can make a symlink in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ to the script? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | RL > N900 chat | 19:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer away | 19:30 | |
| Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: no, you have to write a .desktop file. look at the others in there for an example. but depending on what you want, desktop command execution widget and queen beecon might be better | 19:30 |
| mikki-kun | hm, would actually just be a small shortcut for me to ssh to my server | 19:31 |
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| mikki-kun | i know, sounds kind of ridicolous, still would be nice imo | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | clone and edit MC | 19:31 |
| mikki-kun | Midnight Commander? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it calls a xterm with a cmd parameter | 19:32 |
| Shapeshifter | mikki-kun: yeah or just write a small script and desktop file if you don't wanna install MC ;) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | substitute parameter MC by waht you like to get executed | 19:32 |
| Shapeshifter | oh | 19:32 |
| mikki-kun | yeah, installing MC would be... too spacetaking... | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking bout .desktop :-P | 19:33 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 19:33 |
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| mikki-kun | gotta search then only for the .desktop of MC in the www? | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | install MC, copy mc.desktop to myserver.desktop, unisnatll MC, edit myserver.desktop | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | or just dl and inspect the mc package | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I really don't see any reason to UNinstall MC ever | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | even though mc would have kicked ass on the n900 the lack of Fx keys made it's usage difficult... | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | i use mostly only mv etc pp... | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it doesn't | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | use ESC+0..9 | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ==FN-key | 19:36 |
| mikki-kun | hm... maybe i'll give it another shot... | 19:36 |
| Shapeshifter | there's also http://vifm.sourceforge.net/picture.html ;) I should try it sometime. it seems nice enough (vi-flavoured ncurses file manager) | 19:36 |
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| mikki-kun | that looks awesome | 19:38 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, technology is magic, duh. | 20:00 |
| trumee | god i hate mc. i was transferring something over ssh and it filled up the rootfs | 20:04 |
| trumee | there is some temporary folder in mc | 20:04 |
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| trumee | and it uses it for all copying operation. how dumb! | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | yes, because transfering files without storing them is so much more intelligent | 20:06 |
| trumee | but i am copying from local fs to remote fs. why does it need to make a copy. | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 20:08 |
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| trumee | i cant find how to change this temp dirwctory | 20:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would try setting the TEMP environment variable | 20:16 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: i would have to start mc from shell then i guess | 20:18 |
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| trumee | not from desktop. | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | or replace the mc binary with a shell script, which calls mc.bin after exporting the right environment variable | 20:19 |
| SpeedEvil | also poke the developer/porter | 20:19 |
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| summel | whee new games in the repository | 20:27 |
| summel | <3 | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | change TEMP systemwide. Do same for /var and /usr | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | is it possible to put two maintainers in debian/control? | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /tmp on / fs is a major bug in maemo | 20:29 |
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| opdf2 | so i can just rinse the vikiuiti and reapply, correct? | 20:39 |
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| timoph | MohammadAG: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Uploaders | 20:40 |
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| opdf2 | SpeedEvil: u sed the bubbles go in a couple days. how bout the bubbles near the edge? | 20:52 |
| Nstars | #cambodia | 20:53 |
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| frals | \o/ | 20:54 |
| frals | so i didnt get eaten by VDVsx \o/ | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | frals, VDVsx is a wuss - he couldnt beat his way out of a wet paper bag :p | 20:55 |
| frals | lol lcuk | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | opdf2: It is a diffusion process. The pressure inside the bubble is moderately high - and the gas diffuses through the plastic | 20:55 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You hazed VDVsx with a wet paper bag? =) | 20:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, no but i kicked his ass | 20:56 |
| lcuk | there were no paper bags handy | 20:56 |
| RST38h | evil | 20:56 |
| VDVsx | bad lcuk !! no more beer for you | 20:57 |
| opdf2 | SpeedEvil: i see | 20:59 |
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| * VDVsx moos at wazd :D | 21:04 | |
| wazd | VDVsx: RST38h ate your brain? :D | 21:05 |
| VDVsx | lol | 21:05 |
| frals | damn i forgot | 21:05 |
| wazd | I just witnessed epic fail by myself | 21:06 |
| frals | i shouldve made you prounounce your nick VDVsx | 21:06 |
| wazd | my sister restored files from heavily damaged HDD for 200 bucks | 21:06 |
| wazd | and guess what | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | she found your porn folder? | 21:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: who stores porno on the hard drive now? :D | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | true | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, besides pedophiles it seems | 21:07 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: it's 21st century :D | 21:07 |
| wazd | the irony is that these files are lost again, new harddrive crashed too :D | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, awww | 21:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm backing up my replacement laptop drive to n900 still. rsync works well | 21:10 |
| jacekowski | wazd: i do | 21:11 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: how can i change TEMP systemwide? | 21:13 |
| trumee | what profile do i need to edit | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure the builtin sh does profiles | 21:14 |
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| trumee | echo $TEMP is empty | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be tempted to grep -r tmp /etc | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Find what mounts the tmpfs thre | 21:15 |
| SpeedEvil | replace /tmp with a link to wherever | 21:15 |
| trumee | what package holds less command? | 21:17 |
| trumee | i need less not more :) | 21:17 |
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| trumee | or is it a busybox command? | 21:17 |
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| GAN900 | sdk tools repo | 21:20 |
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| trumee | GAN900: thanks | 21:21 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Given the chart's I've pulled up (and the work you've been doing), I think you're an "editor"; rather than a sub. | 21:30 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: And Reggie is... not. | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, damn! | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | Reminds me, I've got an email to finish. | 21:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900 / Jaffa: i've got a post i need to write | 21:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | actually, i wrote it, i need to post it :) | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG | when localizing the whole OS | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | what command adds the language in settings? | 21:46 |
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| konttori | has anybody noticed issues with python bluetooth bindings recently? | 21:57 |
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| Jaffa | konttori: I've not seen anything using them! | 22:01 |
| konttori | well, I started hearing complaints that wiicontrol had suddendly started not-working. | 22:02 |
| konttori | I filed a bug now to pymaemo. | 22:02 |
| konttori | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10029 in case you are interested. | 22:02 |
| povbot | Bug 10029: Bluetooth bindings don't work | 22:02 |
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| summel | can i somewehre get a vm/sdk with the software repositorys of a real n900 device and not newer ones? or is there git cmake and qmake availeable on my n900? | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | no, to the second | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | summel: there is | 22:07 |
| summel | where? :D | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | summel: you just have to add repository for it | 22:07 |
| summel | hm but the qt in the sdk is already newer | 22:07 |
| summel | so my app does not work on my n900 :( | 22:08 |
| summel | or do you mean a repo with cmake/qmake and git? | 22:08 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: nevermind the current version. PR1.2 will be out before christmas. probably. maybe. | 22:08 |
| summel | but i want to use my app now -_- | 22:09 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: can't you make it compatible? what are you using from qt 4.6? | 22:09 |
| summel | and by that i mean not only in the sdk | 22:09 |
| summel | Shapeshifter: nothing but when i build it in the sdk i can use it only there... it does not work on my n900 | 22:09 |
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| summel | http://summel.de/qsl.log | 22:10 |
| summel | err | 22:10 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: ah. mh I'm not sure about compiled apps and autobuilder, but you're supposed to use autobuilder anyway. I think it's fixed for the current n900. If I'm not completely mistaken. | 22:11 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe I am. the whole PR1.2 autobuilder story is insane. | 22:11 |
| summel | autobuilder? | 22:11 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: well, make a package, upload it to autobuilder, have it available in extras-devel. or is that not what you want? Of course you could also simply install the old SDK and compile there. | 22:12 |
| * MohammadAG asks again | 22:12 | |
| MohammadAG | what command adds the language in settings? | 22:12 |
| summel | http://summel.de/quassel.log | 22:13 |
| summel | hmmm | 22:14 |
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| summel | well the error i get is "quasselclient: symbol lookup error: quasselclient: undefinded symbol: _ZN9QListData7detach3Ev | 22:14 |
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| luke-jr | $150 for a Freerunner... so tempting :x | 22:15 |
| summel | oO | 22:15 |
| summel | so ugly | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | sure, but nothing better for phones | 22:15 |
| RST38h | wait another 6 months and it will be $50 | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: ok :) | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | not in a hurry | 22:18 |
| PhonicUK | i hate programmers block :\ | 22:18 |
| parim | luke-jr: where are you getting your freerunners from? | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I note A7 has sold out in the US store at least | 22:19 |
| lcuk | eat more fibre | 22:19 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it's $170 for the eu variant in that store | 22:19 |
| PhonicUK | I have no idea what kind of app I wanna make | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | A6 does not hav ethe buzfuix rework | 22:20 |
| PhonicUK | other than a Spotify client with offline support | 22:20 |
| PhonicUK | or maybe a game | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | parim: ebay <.< | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: | 22:20 |
| lcuk | PhonicUK, start simple | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: where are you? | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Nebraska | 22:20 |
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| PhonicUK | I was thinking of a game where you roll a ball around using the accelerometer | 22:20 |
| PhonicUK | that would be pretty simple | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | which means I probably don't have GSM coverage anyway | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: well - the US store has tehm for only $170 | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | "only" | 22:20 |
| PhonicUK | if I can get SDL and Box2D to play nice | 22:21 |
| summel | PhonicUK: there are already 2 of them | 22:21 |
| frals | so staying at a hotel alone is pretty boring | 22:21 |
| lcuk | indeed PhonicUK | 22:21 |
| summel | and i hope neverball will be portet anytime soon :) | 22:21 |
| PhonicUK | Anyone ever played Obulis? | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | $170+S&H, I think | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | compared to $150 | 22:21 |
| PhonicUK | I wanted to make a version of that | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | a good deal | 22:21 |
| lcuk | frals, yeah, free internet - the bar is nicer downstairs | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: consider also the battery in the ebya one may be toast | 22:21 |
| frals | yeah wouldve gone crazy without the free wifi | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: is the ebay A7? | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | true :( | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | A6 | 22:21 |
| lcuk | code | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | (you can use a nokia battery with a simple mod to the fr) | 22:22 |
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| * lcuk does whenever hes away | 22:22 | |
| lcuk | nothing else to do, so i make notes and code them up | 22:22 |
| * lcuk rarely internets abroad | 22:22 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:22 |
| frals | gonna watch some tvseries ive saved for the occasion | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: you're IRCing long distance! | 22:22 |
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| frals | would code but kinda at a lot of dead ends atm :< | 22:23 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, normally its unreliable | 22:23 |
| lcuk | and i strongly dislike connect/disconnect cycles and paying hotel money for it | 22:23 |
| lcuk | so i just dont use internet :) | 22:23 |
| frals | this seems solid actually | 22:24 |
| lcuk | it is in the blu | 22:24 |
| thresh | hi | 22:24 |
| thresh | whats the latest alt on xkcd? | 22:24 |
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| lcuk | Telescopes and bathyscapes and sonar probes of Scottish lakes, Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse explained with abstract phase-space maps, some x-ray slides, a music score, Minard's Napoleonic war: the most exciting new frontier is charting what's already here. | 22:25 |
| thresh | thx lcuk | 22:25 |
| lcuk | xkcd over irc: helping n900 owners who cant right click | 22:25 |
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| thresh | :) | 22:25 |
| frals | quick hide hes back again | 22:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, sorted out the code tests :D - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=627311#post627311 | 22:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals | 22:25 |
| noobmonk3y | how was the coffee? and , erm , flight? | 22:26 |
| thresh | i dont really have anything here other than n900 | 22:26 |
| frals | no coffee been had! | 22:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 22:26 |
| frals | flight was fine, landed 15min early | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | thresh, its something not many sites need but is commonly asked | 22:26 |
| frals | went for thai with VDVsx and timeless_mbp instead! | 22:26 |
| thresh | lcuk: yup. | 22:26 |
| noobmonk3y | actually the last time i went to sweden and was invited back for a coffee......... twas a fruity coffee i didnt expect! | 22:26 |
| lcuk | we need an xkcd plugin | 22:26 |
| frals | and thai was good | 22:26 |
| lcuk | that will inline the alt text below the picture | 22:26 |
| lcuk | frals entertainment in the radisson first time i was there - middle of the night fire alarm went off | 22:28 |
| frals | hmm noobmonk3y how many tests are that over? | 22:28 |
| lcuk | the first people out of the lift was a family | 22:28 |
| noobmonk3y | frals 5 tests on each | 22:28 |
| frals | lol | 22:28 |
| lcuk | they had been roused out of bed and werent exactly dressed :'( | 22:28 |
| noobmonk3y | just gave the average, but was quite impressive | 22:28 |
| frals | annoying if it makes a difference, they should have taken that into account when writing python styleguide then! | 22:29 |
| frals | need to write something to remove all blank links and try it out.. :P | 22:29 |
| frals | lines* | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, so - effectively with a bit of refactoring you saved 20% of startup time? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | (10sec to 8) | 22:30 |
| noobmonk3y | yup! | 22:30 |
| lcuk | fuck me! | 22:30 |
| noobmonk3y | tinkering with it now :D | 22:30 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: did you do any profiling with cprofile? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | obviously not sustainable | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | cos comments help | 22:30 |
| lcuk | but thats a pretty large chunk | 22:30 |
| noobmonk3y | that was almost entirely through spaces and gaps, but a bit more through removing unused or duplicated lines | 22:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, included all print lines | 22:30 |
| noobmonk3y | so i can comment after them | 22:31 |
| lcuk | what do you mean? you left the print lines in place? | 22:31 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck is a little bit of a heavy loader to be fiar, as the amount of dependencies it has :| | 22:31 |
| lcuk | cos i do that - i use debug as commenting | 22:31 |
| noobmonk3y | ie print Variable "- Testing variable" | 22:31 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah well i left them in | 22:32 |
| lcuk | did you remove those or leave them in | 22:32 |
| noobmonk3y | but took out the #comment lines | 22:32 |
| lcuk | ahh cool | 22:32 |
| lcuk | :) roger | 22:32 |
| frals | "bit of a heavy loader"? :D | 22:32 |
| lcuk | the dependency issue wont change with what you did | 22:32 |
| frals | i thought fmms was slow at ~1sec lol | 22:32 |
| lcuk | but i wonder if some of the modules before going to extras could be stripped in a similar manner | 22:32 |
| frals | (thats with ~100messages on my phone) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | imagine if all of them had that 20% reduction! | 22:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | considering going a step further and seeing if i can time functions | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | then i can try and trim each one | 22:33 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: cprofile | 22:33 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 22:33 |
| frals | use it learn it love it | 22:33 |
| frals | you need python-profiler or somesuch from debian | 22:34 |
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| * noobmonk3y learns to love trout..... erm i mean cprofile | 22:34 | |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm lcuk / frals, have you got the latest healthcheck - need your brains on a problem i have | 22:35 |
| opdf2 | which method provides faster transfer rate? PC suite or USB mode? | 22:35 |
| noobmonk3y | (with healthcheck, not myself lol) | 22:35 |
| opdf2 | im planning to transfer 10 gb | 22:35 |
| lcuk | opdf2, i like normal usb mode | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | cos i havent got pc suite on my linux box | 22:36 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: sup with it? dont have latest installed but can check it | 22:36 |
| * lcuk writes 20% as big as possible | 22:36 | |
| noobmonk3y | the list boxes when first loaded load the wrong colour for selection (Standard maemo theme, so blue in my colour) - after you click a line they go to the green i set | 22:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | not sure why when it first loads it uses the standard maemo select colour, and not the stylesheet green | 22:37 |
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| frals | dunno | 22:38 |
| * lcuk hits the update healthcheck/fmms button on toolbar | 22:38 | |
| frals | lol lcuk | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | theres 2 different color select dialogs | 22:38 |
| lcuk | depending on which qt path you use | 22:38 |
| lcuk | one looks like mine | 22:38 |
| vanadismobile | hai | 22:38 |
| lcuk | the other looks like original windowsesq one | 22:38 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 22:39 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 22:39 |
| noobmonk3y | but the colour changes after first click | 22:39 |
| noobmonk3y | its only on load it is wrong :| | 22:40 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i mean the function used to show color dialogs | 22:41 |
| lcuk | pyqt has a different one to qt itself | 22:41 |
| noobmonk3y | oh dont use that :P | 22:41 |
| lcuk | i built the qt dialogs example for n900 | 22:41 |
| noobmonk3y | Cool :D | 22:41 |
| spturtle | could there be a memory leak in the wireless driver of maemo5? I see swap slowly filling but can't find a process that would be responsible | 22:42 |
| summel | lcuk: \o/ i always get a segfault when running my qt4 app :/ | 22:42 |
| lcuk | and it has swanky color select that is remarkably similar to: http://liqbase.net/liq.adhoc.stand.front.20100104_004.jpg | 22:42 |
| lcuk | summel, congratulations | 22:42 |
| noobmonk3y | haha ;) | 22:42 |
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| summel | but it starts just fine :) http://summel.de/quassel2.png | 22:44 |
| noobmonk3y | :| | 22:44 |
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| summel | hmmm the sip client on the n900 does not work with ekiga? | 22:45 |
| summel | *ekiga accounts | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i am thinking comment scrubbing stage in python packaging process | 22:47 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D lol am i giving you ideas :P | 22:47 |
| lcuk | or something to dive around my machine to scrube all python | 22:47 |
| lcuk | yes :) thank you for actually testing | 22:47 |
| lcuk | thats really really worthwhile | 22:47 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe! suprised, as it looks like python doesnt do it - thought it would do it itself | 22:48 |
| lcuk | no i can understand why too | 22:48 |
| lcuk | its just a parser | 22:48 |
| lcuk | sure, it ignore those lines in processing | 22:48 |
| lcuk | but it has to still add them to trees and skip them etc | 22:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh..... i did remove quite a lot of lines, so was poorly done in the first place :P | 22:48 |
| lcuk | does python use a shebang? | 22:48 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, no | 22:49 |
| lcuk | its just code | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | sometimes it will be made sparsly othertimes there will be pages of comments | 22:49 |
| noobmonk3y | just counted, 17 imports on load :| | 22:49 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:49 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm sure thats why it's 5+ seconds though | 22:50 |
| lcuk | if all 17 of those were also optimized (im not sure how import sections are done, are they already precompiled? | 22:50 |
| noobmonk3y | allthough actually ... there is 2 parts to my program | 22:50 |
| lcuk | python | 22:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals - it is only 3 seconds for the program to load - 7 seconds for it to load all variables | 22:50 |
| noobmonk3y | the program load was cut down by almost a full second, but not much change to the variables etc | 22:51 |
| noobmonk3y | actually both cut down by a second, but - % is higher on the program load | 22:51 |
| noobmonk3y | good q lcuk | 22:51 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm assuming some arn't optimized...... | 22:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | erm and a couple of them are just other py files | 22:52 |
| lcuk | im going to go with assumption most arent | 22:52 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :P | 22:52 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:52 |
| lcuk | what do you use for packaging? | 22:53 |
| summel | ah its a bug in empathy :( | 22:54 |
| noobmonk3y | py2packager | 22:54 |
| noobmonk3y | well khertans py2deb/py2packager mix | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 22:55 |
| lcuk | do you just edit live on device still | 22:55 |
| lcuk | or do you copy finished stuff on at end of night | 22:55 |
| noobmonk3y | bit of both, at the mo using idle and winscp across to test ... earlier was editing on device | 22:56 |
| noobmonk3y | takes a while to scroll through thtough | 22:56 |
| noobmonk3y | though* | 22:56 |
| noobmonk3y | wonder how MohammadAG got on with getting kinetic scrolling working in pygtkeditor? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | im thinking what would happen if we hacked pypackager | 22:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, you would get spanked by the souls of a thousand chimpanzees..... or nothing much :P | 22:57 |
| lcuk | if MohammadAG is putting kinetics into pygtkeditor - he canan try to use the same trick for xchat ;) | 22:57 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, - very good point | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | thousand chimps is puny | 22:57 |
| * MohammadAG is packaging the arabic UI translation | 22:57 | |
| lcuk | nice MohammadAG | 22:57 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks MohammadAG needs to work faster ;) hehehe | 22:57 | |
| MohammadAG | not that I need it, but hey, I'm helping out | 22:57 |
| noobmonk3y | awwww | 22:58 |
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| Torne | openttd seems to be broken by the process of optifying | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | have you spoken with timeless_mbp - he has been doing translations and stuff and perhaps some of his contacts would be willing to help | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | after about 4 hours | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | it worked | 22:58 |
| Torne | it won't load because it's a broken symlink | 22:58 |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders why noobmonk3y now has no appendix. | 22:59 | |
| lcuk | wha? | 22:59 |
| * noobmonk3y has a contents page on his forehead instead | 22:59 | |
| lcuk | he has 2 now | 22:59 |
| * MohammadAG | 22:59 | |
| * Torne can't figure out how optifying is supposed to work, though.. | 22:59 | |
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| lcuk | oi! | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i said no blank lines | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, you removed all but the blank lines | 23:00 |
| * timeless_mbp is watching a movie | 23:00 | |
| lcuk | wtf | 23:00 |
| * noobmonk3y stares blankly | 23:00 | |
| lcuk | a moth just flew out the end of a cigarette | 23:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i shit you not | 23:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmmm | 23:02 |
| noobmonk3y | http://www.noreve.com/brand/Nokia/product/Housse_cuir_Nokia_N900_Tradition_C.html | 23:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | i want a decent slip case | 23:03 |
| noobmonk3y | any recommendations? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | http://www.articlesbase.com/hobbies-articles/the-tobacco-beetle-your-cigars-407739.html#axzz0m9EiZcLp | 23:04 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i have a pocket | 23:04 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 23:04 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, no qole. ;) | 23:07 |
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| zappa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc2l1jsFxm4 myiphone controlling the n900 media player. check it out if u like. | 23:15 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, tracy was looking at these for her n900 http://www.cellularfactory.com/pro.jsp?c=447051 | 23:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | wincey bag lol | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i have to let her off some things lol | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe fair enough :P | 23:21 |
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| GAN900 | Sygic Maps for <strike>Maemo</strike> Symbian | 23:24 |
| GAN900 | Why do all navigation software developers think their users want the UI of the OS they first launched on? | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, its more likely that to change a whole ui will be a ballache | 23:26 |
| lcuk | unless preplanned for | 23:26 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, I don't want the Symbian UI on Maemo. | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | End of story. | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | Maemo has its own UI conventions, please use them. | 23:28 |
| lcuk | if oyu hate it now imagine whats gonna happen with meego | 23:28 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, it'll be even better | 23:29 |
| GAN900 | one of the many irritation platform decisions that I hate in MeeGo | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | a strong universal ui will emerge | 23:29 |
| lcuk | which will transcend multiple flavours | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | because devs are lazy | 23:30 |
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| lcuk | because app devs will give one style more love than others | 23:30 |
| Robot101 | why? lazy devs will just choose the most popular platforms/devices | 23:30 |
| * noobmonk3y is gonna head to bed - night alls :D | 23:31 | |
| Robot101 | that doesn't mean a platform with several mediocre toolkits will suddenly grasp their imagination | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | indeed | 23:31 |
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| GAN900 | So, I guess PR1.2 will be available at the end of this month? ;) | 23:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | I saw a presentation on that - hangon | 23:36 |
| summel | isnt that what qt4 is for? make all apps look native? :) | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> if MohammadAG is putting kinetics into pygtkeditor - he canan try to use the same trick for xchat ;) | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | noor's in pygtk, xchat is C++ afaik :) | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 23:38 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, the gtk code editor component is c gtk afaik | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | gan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic | 23:39 |
| Firebird | hm, why hasn't boost been optified yet :/ | 23:40 |
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| MohammadAG | XChat uses GTK, true | 23:40 |
| * MohammadAG has no idea how gtk works | 23:40 | |
| MohammadAG | but I like it more than Qt | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | Qt's faster though | 23:41 |
| lcuk | is that quantifiable? | 23:41 |
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| summel | and prettier | 23:41 |
| summel | <3 | 23:41 |
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| zappa | Gtk was faster than Qt for me when forwared over an xsession. | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | summel, doesnt the normal qt stylesheet make it look identical to gtk? | 23:44 |
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| summel | lcuk: on maemo probably | 23:45 |
| summel | on mac os it looks like mac os | 23:45 |
| summel | on windows like windows | 23:45 |
| lcuk | so how is it prettier? | 23:45 |
| summel | and on linux like kde :P | 23:45 |
| lcuk | heh | 23:45 |
| summel | because i prefer native UI/themes over everything | 23:45 |
| zappa | agreed | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | well, faster as in with kinetic scrolling | 23:46 |
| summel | and all the availeable qt4 styles are so much prettier then gtk ones | 23:46 |
| summel | also gtk has no svg theme engine :o | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | code is deffo better looking | 23:46 |
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| zappa | qtdesigner trumps glade3 as well | 23:47 |
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| microlith | yes but qt is, well, qt :p | 23:47 |
| summel | <3 qt | 23:47 |
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| summel | zoutube sucks :( | 23:55 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, break time, will be back later. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I also wonder what teh memory footprint of qt is in RAM | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | With all the libs | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat is quite light ATM - as it shares a lot of libraries with the rest of the system. | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | If the rest of the system is GTK, and xchat is still QT - it's suddenly quite heavy | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | err - other way round | 23:57 |
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| andrius | hi, can someone please tell me what file permisions should be on /var folder, i'm using n900 | 23:58 |
| andrius | ls -laR | 23:59 |
| andrius | ls -laR /var | 23:59 |
| andrius | pls | 23:59 |
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