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| Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, the problem is you do not really have to scp or apt-get to see jerky video. as-daemon or modest will do that for you as well. | 00:00 |
| wall[e] | not familair with irc over vnc that much ) | 00:00 |
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| sECuRE | i managed to get the profile (general, silent) using the libdbus-lowlevel API. is dbus-glib supposed to support such operations (calling a method, getting a string from the answer) or is it a more high-level thing for gobjects only? | 00:02 |
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| Arkenoi | so if i want to watch a movie i have to enable offline mode. otherwise *something* surely will happen affecting playback performance. | 00:03 |
| sECuRE | Arkenoi: works for me | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | Merging should be automatic on the N900 :s | 00:03 |
| Arkenoi | sECuRE, what exactly? | 00:03 |
| sECuRE | Arkenoi: i watched three dr. who episodes (each about 45 min) without being in offline mode and without noticing any slowdowns/hangs/… | 00:03 |
| Arkenoi | sECuRE, maybe you do not have push email and contact/calendar sync enabled? | 00:04 |
| sECuRE | correct | 00:04 |
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| Arkenoi | ha | 00:04 |
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| ShadowJK | I noticed that mafw-*gst* grows enormously in size when watching stuff | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | well it looks like we can see what the chinese are choosing for a tablet OS http://besttabletreview.com/page/2/ | 00:06 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: check pss, not rss | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | or uss | 00:07 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well swapfile use went from 300 to 150megs when it crashed ;p | 00:07 |
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| Mace_N900 | this thing is still going | 00:16 |
| Mace_N900 | i wonder how long the battery lasts if you dont use it... my n810 used to go for almost a week | 00:17 |
| nid0 | i can get like 3 days tops out of my n900 | 00:17 |
| nid0 | wifi off, bluetooth off, and idle | 00:17 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: my Muslim buddy thought your app was the bees knees. | 00:17 |
| summel | anyone got the SDK working on kubuntu 10.04 RC? | 00:18 |
| * Arkenoi can get 3 days from my n900 with wifi and bt on | 00:18 | |
| summel | Mace_N900: 2-3 days with wifi and 3g and bt on and using wifi ~ 2-3 hours per day | 00:18 |
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| Mace_N900 | wow | 00:20 |
| Mace_N900 | it is a beast | 00:20 |
| Mace_N900 | i love this thing | 00:20 |
| summel | it's perfect | 00:20 |
| summel | nearly | 00:20 |
| summel | :D | 00:20 |
| summel | mine arrives tomorrow \o/ | 00:20 |
| Mace_N900 | if the desktop had a portrait mode it would be perfect | 00:21 |
| * Mace_N900 hides | 00:21 | |
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| summel | yes most apps dont have a portrait mode :/ | 00:21 |
| summel | that would indeed be nice | 00:21 |
| Mace_N900 | i dont mind the apps | 00:21 |
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| Disconnect | if apps in general had portrait mode it'd be nice | 00:21 |
| Mace_N900 | but the desktop | 00:21 |
| zappa | its far from perfect ut the best thing out there in my mind | 00:21 |
| summel | but at least the sonser works better then the one in my E52 >_> | 00:22 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate a landscape only desktop | 00:22 |
| Disconnect | i'm used to g1, sendo x, etc. portrait with optional landscape. way easier to use, esp one-handed or when you can't set it down | 00:22 |
| Mace_N900 | when glancing at the phone it is a pain to rotate your arm around to read it for whatever reason | 00:22 |
| * MohammadAG smiles | 00:22 | |
| MohammadAG | zappa, did he vote for it? :) | 00:22 |
| summel | yes support for both modes should be required (excet for games) | 00:23 |
| Disconnect | zappa: play with a droid (or milestone). its getting really close to amazingly awesome, esp when its jailbroken | 00:23 |
| summel | ewww | 00:23 |
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| summel | jailbroken | 00:23 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate android | 00:23 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: he uses a balckberry, but I will register his vote. | 00:23 |
| summel | yes android is strange | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | zappa, wait! Gonna upload a small fix for the bugtacker link :) | 00:24 |
| * Disconnect has issues with android, but many of those were solved when we rooted it.. | 00:24 | |
| zappa | Disconnect: I might try to get andorid on my iphone and see whats up with android these ays. I am very ingnorant of whats going on in Android. | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | rooted? | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | never tried android | 00:24 |
| Disconnect | been on the n900 for about 3 days now, and what i miss is apps (but at least 2 of those android apps should be core features, regardless of platform) | 00:24 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate android | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | when I was in Germany I saw a G1, someone locked it | 00:25 |
| Mace_N900 | oops | 00:25 |
| Mace_N900 | i have a g1 with cyanogen on it | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | Mace_N900, it had a blocked SIM :/ | 00:25 |
| Mace_N900 | cyanogen made it ok | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | never seen an android after that | 00:25 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: most devices ship with strong app sandboxes. rooting also provides root access (via popup verifier usually - "such-and-such app wants root access to run: /bin/sh" cuz apps never say what specific command :/ ..) | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | that was in June last year | 00:25 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: My buddies one thing was that the arabic was in "old arabic" and he had trouble reading the writing. He grew up in morroco and learned english, french and modern arabic i guess. | 00:25 |
| Disconnect | Mace_N900: yah i've got his 2.x beta on my g1 right now, gonna give it to the wife as soon as i find her a replacement sd card | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | zappa, that's how the Quran is :) | 00:26 |
| Mace_N900 | i hate that android doesnt have a gnu base | 00:26 |
| summel | is there no #maemo-dev? :D | 00:26 |
| Mace_N900 | the linux part is just a hcl | 00:26 |
| Disconnect | Mace_N900: yah but realistically, thats what caused htc, samsung, etc to pick it up | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | Is android good? | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | better than Symbian? | 00:27 |
| summel | no | 00:27 |
| summel | maybe | 00:27 |
| summel | but symbian is really great | 00:27 |
| summel | imho | 00:27 |
| summel | multitasking ftw | 00:27 |
| summel | qt4 support ftw | 00:27 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: its getting there. i'd definitely say its better than s80 and getting really close to s60 (but then again, i'm assuming s60 got better since i last used it :) ..) | 00:27 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: aye. but maybe when i use the englsih version the names of the suras(sp?) are translated? | 00:27 |
| summel | :D | 00:27 |
| dockside | qt4 "support" | 00:27 |
| summel | dockside: qt4 works great on my e52 | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | zappa, afaik that's not implemented in the PC app | 00:27 |
| Disconnect | summel: android manages mt without having to make the user manage it. 98% of the time thats a huge win. | 00:27 |
| dockside | tried developing qt4 stuff for s60? | 00:27 |
| Disconnect | transparently kill/restore apps.. | 00:27 |
| summel | the only thing that annoys me is that most devs wrote the example qt4 apps for touchscreen devices :( | 00:27 |
| dockside | whole diffrent story | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | Disconnect, when did you last use S60? | 00:28 |
| summel | dockside: no im not a developer yet :( | 00:28 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: sendo x :) | 00:28 |
| summel | i want to develop for my n900 :) | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | huh? lol | 00:28 |
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| Disconnect | that was a pretty awesome phone actually | 00:28 |
| dockside | dont bother with the with s60 development | 00:28 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: wouldn't know anything about that. But he was a blackberry users that was really impressed. | 00:28 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: it took s60 and made it modern, back in 2003 | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 00:28 |
| Disconnect | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Sendo_X.php | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | Disconnect, S60 had its time, particularly in 2006-2008 | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | N95 times | 00:29 |
| summel | dockside: do you develop for maemo? | 00:29 |
| Disconnect | yah i never got to mess with it then | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | then it started getting pointless | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | the N95 had the best cam on the market | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | when it was released | 00:29 |
| summel | MohammadAG: imho the X6 looks really nice | 00:29 |
| Disconnect | ditto sendo :) | 00:29 |
| dockside | no but from what i see from the maemo sdk | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | 3 years later, and they're still using the same 5MP cam | 00:30 |
| dockside | it seems a lot better | 00:30 |
| summel | haven't used it so far but the device looks nice ^^ | 00:30 |
| zappa | MohammadAG: its fun cause I was raised Catholic ( now agnostic) and love discussing/learning things with/from him. And its cool cause he can say check out this sura...etc. | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG | summel, that's the problem, the N97 looked nice, both have crappy RAM and CPUs | 00:30 |
| summel | dockside: i can't get the SDK installed :( | 00:30 |
| Disconnect | they took the amiga style of offloading to task-specific chips | 00:30 |
| summel | MohammadAG: is the N97 the phone that has the size of a camera and slides up and down? | 00:30 |
| summel | or was that the 95? :D | 00:30 |
| Disconnect | so it was fast, it was skilled and it was a really awesome device :) with a flash beforephones had one | 00:31 |
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| MohammadAG | zappa, well, I like discussing stuff with other religions, some people take offense so I don't do it often | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | summel, the N97 has a hinge, it looks like this sideways _/ | 00:31 |
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| Disconnect | in any case, sounds like about the same era - sendo backported a bunch of stuff for the x, so it was similar to the later phones | 00:32 |
| summel | MohammadAG: ewww :D | 00:32 |
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| MohammadAG | early prototype http://dailymobile.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/nokia-n97-hands-002.jpg | 00:32 |
| summel | i dont like hinges on phones | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | summel, actually, it looked wonderful | 00:32 |
| summel | and i never liked sliding phones either until the n900 :) | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | felt more natural in the hand than the N900 | 00:32 |
| summel | ah | 00:32 |
| summel | kinda like the E90 | 00:32 |
| summel | but cheaper | 00:32 |
| summel | oh | 00:32 |
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| summel | ah | 00:33 |
| summel | now i remember | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | The N900 feels kind of cramped (some people's joints get tired after typing a lot) | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | I don't | 00:33 |
| Disconnect | i kinda like the g1 slider, strangely enough. took getting used to but it feels way more natural than the straight rails. and its got durability - abused it for a year and a half with no issues. now i have towork to not drop the n900 when slidign it open one-handed | 00:33 |
| summel | there is also an E97 mini? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | I went from the N95 to the N97 | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | N97 mini, yes | 00:33 |
| summel | eww | 00:33 |
| Disconnect | not a fan of the g1 chin tho :) although hw make/break buttons were nice | 00:33 |
| * GAN900 misses the N800's fingerkeyboard. | 00:33 | |
| summel | it looks and feels so cheap | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | was a huge disappointment | 00:33 |
| summel | when open | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | summel, the N97? on the contrary | 00:33 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: n900 has it. the full-screen OSK? | 00:33 |
| summel | like its really thin plastic and could break anytime | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | it has THE best hinge I've ever seen | 00:34 |
| Disconnect | just gotta enable it in settings | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | the split-qwerty phones from Nokia have maybe better typing feel, but N900 rocks for typing | 00:34 |
| GAN900 | Disconnect, it's full of both un- and intentional regressions. | 00:34 |
| GAN900 | Disconnect, nowhere near as nice. | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, I like the N900, never did a speed test but i get high speeds | 00:34 |
| Disconnect | ah ok | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | (can't beat GAN900 though) | 00:34 |
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| GAN900 | zoom zoom | 00:34 |
| summel | but i love the n900 :) have used the one from my freind for a few days now and tomorrow i get my own :) | 00:34 |
| GAN900 | I almost hit N800 speeds during Ari's talk, but I paid for it after. | 00:35 |
| Disconnect | lol. sendo review: "We're talking lots of memory here. Lots and lots. There's a total of 64mb Flash memory, some of which is used for the Operating System." ... whoa, a whole SIXTY FOUR MEGS!! :) | 00:35 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, any speed tests for the N900? :) | 00:35 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAH, feeling tired after typing N900-qwerty? I *love* my querty ith the real cursor keys, now that I got rid of the awful ugly German wertzu | 00:37 |
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| MohammadAG | is maemo.org/packages down? | 00:38 |
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| summel | DocScrutinizer: yes the german keyboard is strange :/ | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ÜÜÜÜBER-strange | 00:39 |
| Disconnect | i keep hitting 'm' instead of space :( | 00:39 |
| summel | xD | 00:39 |
| summel | hmmm that has not happened to me yet | 00:39 |
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| Disconnect | and i hate the old-style complete where backspace sometimes means "erase the last letter" and sometimes means "erase the completion" | 00:39 |
| summel | but doom and supertux etc do not really work | 00:39 |
| summel | because of the missung up & down keys | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | Disconnect, happened to me at first (when I switched from the N97 to the N900) | 00:39 |
| summel | :/ | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | N97 > N73 (got depressed, jk :P) > N86 > N900 | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick completion, it's useless, as is auto-capitals | 00:40 |
| Disconnect | combined, i do a lot of "gom over to them barmand check form meloncholy" :) | 00:40 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: at least make it optional :) | 00:40 |
| summel | optional is mostly lways better then removing ^^ | 00:41 |
| Disconnect | i like completion when its well-behaved (multiple wordlist and select with right-arrow or click, don't affect INPUT) but this just isn't. | 00:41 |
| Disconnect | and its got some bizarre ideas | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | thank god it *is* optional | 00:41 |
| summel | :D | 00:41 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, any of the web tests should be workable, but I haven't done any, no. | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eeewww | 00:42 |
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| GAN900 | Disconnect, there's a bug about the stupid completion backspace behavior. | 00:43 |
| GAN900 | Disconnect, as usual, Nokia UI people are thick as bricks. | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:43 |
| summel | yes the n900 UI could look soooo much better | 00:43 |
| summel | just hire nuno for a few days <3 | 00:44 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: there's something they have in common with android. you can't submit any patches upstream that include ui changes because "the ui artists won't approve it because it doesn't match their requirements. which they mostly communicate in random hallway discussions, or not at all." | 00:44 |
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| Disconnect | ok guy at the next table (yay for working-from-home at a bar :) ..) is waving a nexus one around. its -nice-. | 00:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer points at OM epic fail when first thing pourred in concrete was GTA03's case | 00:46 | |
| Disconnect | or at least, its way thinner than i thuought | 00:46 |
| greenfly | no keyboard = dealbreaker | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~attack designers | 00:46 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing designers | 00:46 | |
| Disconnect | greenfly: if they'd sent me one i'd have stuck with android. but they sent me a droid and i have less than zero desire to go to vzw so i sold it and put the $$ towards n900 | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> eeewww | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | what | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | now they are called 'artists' even - OMFG | 00:47 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no F words on #maemo please :P | 00:47 |
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| MohammadAG | OMFG | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | 58 WPM | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | 56* | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | words per minute? | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 00:49 |
| Disconnect | greenfly: i've heard a lot of kb-only people say the OSK on the n1 is fast enough/accurate enough to replace a hw keyboard. and its not insane like maemo's osk so it even works ;) | 00:50 |
| greenfly | Disconnect: touchscreen keyboards suck for interactive shell sessions | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, http://www.typingtest.com/ Test instructions, 1 minute | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:50 |
| greenfly | since half your screen or more is taken up w/ a keyboard | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | the biggest problem with osk isn't soeed | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | speed* | 00:50 |
| greenfly | and I actually use the terminal on the n900 quite a bit | 00:50 |
| N900evil | MohammadAG: on n900? | 00:51 |
| Torne | greenfly: that's not even the worst problem; touchscreen keyboards rely on autocorrection mostly, which doesn't work for character based input | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | N900evil, yes | 00:51 |
| Disconnect | greenfly: depends on the keyboard and screen res | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | it's the space that could be used for displaying whatever it's your replying to | 00:51 |
| N900evil | MohammadAG: I can only hit 28. | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | I'm badass | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:51 |
| greenfly | Disconnect: for anything that'd fit in your pocket, it means a big sacrifice whenever you type | 00:51 |
| greenfly | and I use the terminal for irc and mail among other things | 00:51 |
| N900evil | MohammadAG: 2 thumbs? | 00:51 |
| greenfly | so a touchscreen keyboard is a dealbreaker for me | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | N900evil, well I'm on my PC now, but I did the test on the N900 | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 00:52 |
| N900evil | youtube | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 00:52 |
| Disconnect | i did tons of ssh (and local) hackering on the g1 with both the osk and the hw kb. the res is so bad to begin with, losing some isn't the end of the world. going to the old telnet line-mode crap of n900 -is-, however, the end of the world :) | 00:52 |
| microlith | telnet line-mode? | 00:53 |
| Disconnect | microlith: the n900 osk | 00:53 |
| microlith | oh that | 00:53 |
| * MohammadAG waits for G-A-N900's test results | 00:53 | |
| Disconnect | and lol - http://twitter.com/googleandblog/status/12723661747 | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | -s so as not to ping him | 00:53 |
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| Disconnect | ok n900 is -seriously- io-bound. installing maps, copying mp3s, etc all drags the ui to a screeching halt | 00:55 |
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| Disconnect | how do i convince the gallery app | 00:56 |
| Disconnect | or button to go to the same path as the camera saves files? :( | 00:56 |
| Disconnect | ugh. it just ejected the sd card from the pc without prmpting. thats gonna leave a mark. | 00:57 |
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| GAN900 | Disconnect, N1 is a piece if shit | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ | 00:58 |
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| GAN900 | Disconnect, OLED is way oversaturated, pixels are jagged, Snapdragon is slow in GPU and has no DSP, no hardware keyboard, etc. | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | capacitive | 00:59 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: haven't played with one. initial impressions of n900 are well below g1 though, and even the droid can stomp the g1 so.. n900 has potential but its so far from there... | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | Limited extra hardware features | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | oh, and Android. | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | Android sucks. | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek, c-ts | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | End of story | 00:59 |
| GAN900 | As the embarrased owner of a free Nexus One, I can't stand anything about it. ;) | 01:00 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: go to exchange.andblogs.net and swap it for a droid or cash.. | 01:00 |
| GAN900 | Cash cash cash | 01:00 |
| GAN900 | May make its way to one needy friend or another | 01:01 |
| GAN900 | But, man, I dunno what people see in this platform. | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, so did you do the test? :) | 01:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | is hermes broke? | 01:01 |
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| MohammadAG | (that's a challenge btw) | 01:01 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, not yet. | 01:01 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: apps. continuity. performance. | 01:01 |
| Disconnect | portrait mode ;) | 01:02 |
| * GAN900 is distracted by realword crap | 01:02 | |
| GAN900 | What performance? | 01:02 |
| * MohammadAG itching to find out GAN900's WPM score | 01:02 | |
| GAN900 | It's freaking Java | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | is* | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: so that's what you get from doing heretics | 01:02 |
| * greenfly got 32wpm adjusted | 01:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, on N900? | 01:03 |
| Disconnect | GAN900: ooooh, neat. so you're reasoning from assumptions instead of reality. cool. you're right, "end of story". too many assumptions. | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you do the test, then say bah :P | 01:03 |
| greenfly | Disconnect: yeah | 01:03 |
| GAN900 | Android is off-topic anyway | 01:03 |
| greenfly | er, DocScrutinizer: yeah | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2010-04-23 23:58:36] <DocScrutinizer> hmm, 19WPM out of the cold. And my spacekey occasionally makes noises :-/ | 01:04 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if DocScrutinizer fired up the N900's browser | 01:04 | |
| MohammadAG | am I fast, or is the test failing? | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, put some pressure on the keyboard and move it upwards | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | my shift key used to make noise | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | s | 01:05 |
| GAN900 | 48 wpm adjusted | 01:05 |
| GAN900 | That felt slow. | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | 56, I hold the fastest score! :P | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh friggin freaky shit, had to reinstall apps - now xchat is nagging me with idiotic banners all the time :-((( | 01:06 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, rm /usr/lib/xchat/somenotifyplugin.so | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | sec I'll get the filename | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | Oh wait | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | I reflashed :s | 01:06 |
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| zappa | anyone has a lin to the mafw dbus commands? I'm having a hard time finding it atm. Lost my bookmarks. | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | Round two is 61 wpm | 01:07 |
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| GAN900 | Now my thumbs hurt. . . . | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | HEEEEELP!!! I have to click away every single one of those | 01:07 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: every one of | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | GAH 58 | 01:08 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: what? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | you beat me | 01:08 |
| N900evil | DocScrutinizer: you mean on pm? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | rm the .so file! | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat | 01:08 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, my biggest issue is accuracy is all over the place. | 01:08 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: thats the problem | 01:08 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: with desktop apps | 01:08 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: on mobiles ;) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuhh! | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that they occasionally go apeshit? | 01:09 |
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| Disconnect | (otoh I was in #android when the first irc client was released to the market. it wasn't clear about description and resulted in several hundred users signing in going "a/s/l?" or worse. pretty funny actually.) | 01:09 |
| Disconnect | the really funny part is it technically wasn't against the channel rules. it is now tho. | 01:10 |
| N900evil | >18,y,scotland | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | how can I vote down an app? | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, XChat? | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thumbs down | 01:12 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, is the notification plugin bothering you? | 01:12 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ... <MohammadAG> rm the .so file! | 01:12 |
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| MohammadAG | need I say it again? :) | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOOOOOL -best thing is: it (xchat) seems to time out on irc server when you do not click away those idiotic notifier banners immediately | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, works fine here. :P | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they crash my N900 | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: that's impossible to work fine -it's brainfucked by design | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | no f words! :P | 01:14 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, what's the issue? | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's a banner popping up for every highlight in xchat - that's the major part of the issue | 01:15 |
| Disconnect | MohammadAG: er, how do i talk about how fine a featureset the flashy fone has without using f words? ;) | 01:15 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: so if i was to ask how you liked xchat, would you say it was | 01:15 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: terrible? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | god fucking damn it, not that f word | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:15 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: or is it worth it anyway ;) | 01:15 |
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| MohammadAG | Disconnect, XChat is epic, the plugin however... | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: it was worth it until I was forced to update today | 01:16 |
| Disconnect | heh | 01:16 |
| Disconnect | forced is an f word, be careful ;) | 01:16 |
| * MohammadAG does a /cs op, and notices the +o on the other server | 01:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | same to you, chaserv op ban kick all have no key-between-D-and-G | 01:17 |
| Disconnect | whats wrong with e? | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, huh? lol | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | KnightStalker (bot22@ | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | I think it's safe to assume that's a bot | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: any issues? | 01:19 |
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| MohammadAG | no, but the green-brown text is getting a lot | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | green brown text? | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | Join - part | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | are you talking bot join/quit msgs? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:21 |
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| MohammadAG | these | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | none here, I disabled thjem | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shall I ban him? | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 01:21 |
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| MohammadAG | your call | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *I* don't care. I never even realized | 01:22 |
| _llll_ | it's quite usual to set temp bans for people with connection issues | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | beer ftw | 01:22 |
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| _llll_ | or sometimes if you force a part it works to stop them rejoining | 01:22 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: http://twitpic.com/1huwyq | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | hahaha Disconnect | 01:24 |
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| lcuk | ill use my other account when im back downstairs only came back for a smoke | 01:24 |
| Disconnect | literally just posted it | 01:24 |
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| _llll_ | (that ban wont work) | 01:26 |
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| Disconnect | lol | 01:26 |
| Disconnect | yah | 01:26 |
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| summel | oO | 01:28 |
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| summel | lol | 01:30 |
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| summel | dont give up! | 01:30 |
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| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: you should try | 01:31 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: your ban | 01:31 |
| _llll_ | needs to be e.g., +b knightstalker*!*@* or | 01:31 |
| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: again.... | 01:31 |
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| _llll_ | that one was fine too | 01:31 |
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| Disconnect | ugh. nokia multimedia transfer is claiming its gonna spend 2 hours per 2 minute onion (or howitsmade) video before syncing it. podcast fail | 01:34 |
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| summel | is there a up-to-date vmware/virtual box image with maemo5 sdk? the installer always fails :( | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | summel, how does it fail? | 01:37 |
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| summel | MohammadAG: http://summel.de/m5.log | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | summel, use the scripts | 01:38 |
| summel | :O but i like qt4 guis | 01:38 |
| summel | :D | 01:38 |
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| summel | how do the scripts work? run script a then script b? | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | summel, basically yes | 01:38 |
| summel | ok i will try that then | 01:38 |
| summel | do i have to run the scripts as the user i want to install the sdk for? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | then get a token and add it it, then apt-get update && apt-get install nokia-binaries | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | summel, there's a wiki entry | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | hey PhonicUK | 01:39 |
| PhonicUK | hows it going? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation * | 01:39 |
| summel | thx :) | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, nm, just browsing the repos | 01:40 |
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| PhonicUK | righto | 01:40 |
| * PhonicUK hunts for a freenode admin | 01:40 | |
| Disconnect | PhonicUK: ? | 01:41 |
| PhonicUK | I was supposed to get my hostname cloak | 01:41 |
| Disconnect | and they're generally available on #freenode with no waiting | 01:41 |
| Disconnect | aaah | 01:41 |
| PhonicUK | for donating to Freenode | 01:41 |
| * Disconnect used to get a free hostname cloak by using ipv6 with 100-char hostnames | 01:42 | |
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| PhonicUK | i worked out that i donate approx 0.5% of my income each year :) | 01:42 |
| PhonicUK | to charities or NPOs | 01:42 |
| Disconnect | clearly you need a better job. or a cheaper irc network ;) | 01:42 |
| Disconnect | oh. you need a better religion ;) | 01:42 |
| PhonicUK | I'm an atheist :P | 01:42 |
| PhonicUK | and i work full time for NSN as a software engineer ^_^ | 01:43 |
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| summel | National Software Nerds? :o | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | Nokia Siemens Networks | 01:44 |
| summel | :D | 01:44 |
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| summel | i really like nokia but siemens is just fail :o | 01:44 |
| d14 | o/ | 01:44 |
| summel | o/ | 01:44 |
| PhonicUK | yah lol | 01:45 |
| d14 | i need sleep! | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | we get discount for siemens stuff but not nokia stuff :\ | 01:45 |
| summel | !give sleep | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | which sucks | 01:45 |
| summel | :D | 01:45 |
| d14 | summel: doest work ;) | 01:45 |
| PhonicUK | server.channels("#maemo").getUserByHandle("#d14").sleep(8*60*60,false); | 01:46 |
| PhonicUK | \s\#d14\d14 | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Disconnect: (100char) LOL | 01:47 |
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| * PhonicUK downloads Visual Studio 2010 and Office 2010 | 01:48 | |
| d14 | PhonicUK: and some mcd for lunch? :)) | 01:48 |
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| Disconnect | DocScrutinizer: it was things like "youd.be.cooler.if.you.had.mange.sigkill.net" and ipv4 resolved to various random ips (localhost, goatse.cx, etc) | 01:48 |
| PhonicUK | mcd? | 01:48 |
| d14 | macdonald ;) | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | PhonicUK: /stats p | 01:48 |
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| PhonicUK | i wish :P | 01:48 |
| * Disconnect should have ended them with "burmashave" but i only did tha tonce | 01:48 | |
| d14 | :)) | 01:48 |
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| PhonicUK | DocScrutinizer, yah i kno :P | 01:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. this RSS reader that shipped with the n900 is utter crap, I just noticed. Never looked at it before. not finger friendly, looks awful.... | 01:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer is going to disable that annoying join/parts again. Holler if some bot or UA is spamming the chan | 01:53 | |
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| Disconnect | Shapeshifter: the one thing i -really- miss from android is newsrob (google reader client, with offline caching. but most of the time i used it with a nice connection) and the ability to switch/manage windows in portrait mode | 01:54 |
| PhonicUK | Anyone tried using Mono on their N900? | 01:55 |
| summel | MohammadAG: 2nd script fails at installing sudo and then later a few other packages because sudo is not configured :o | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 01:56 |
| summel | so it fails at the same part the gui installer fails :( | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | try clearing out the targets | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | is it an x64 machine? | 01:56 |
| summel | how do i do that? | 01:56 |
| summel | no i686 | 01:56 |
| summel | atom | 01:56 |
| summel | PhonicUK: ewwww mono | 01:56 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 01:56 |
| summel | use silverlight >_> | 01:57 |
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| PhonicUK | I've got a load of .NET code and I don't wanna port it to C++ | 01:57 |
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| PhonicUK | eeh Silverlight is a .Net based web app framework | 01:57 |
| summel | port it to python :) | 01:57 |
| PhonicUK | thats not gna help :P | 01:57 |
| summel | i know it was a joke :P | 01:57 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 01:57 |
| PhonicUK | I want to run my IRC dameon on my device :) | 01:57 |
| PhonicUK | tis super awesome | 01:57 |
| summel | PhonicUK: use quassel | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | quassel? | 01:58 |
| summel | afaik there is a maemo5 client | 01:58 |
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| summel | quassel irc client/core | 01:58 |
| summel | www.quassel-irc.org | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | read more carefully | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | IRC Daemon | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | i use xchat on my device :P | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | as the client | 01:58 |
| summel | ewww xchat | 01:58 |
| mece | heey! | 01:58 |
| PhonicUK | xchat is awesome | 01:59 |
| mece | bad channel to dis xchat! | 01:59 |
| d14 | hm | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | but yeah ive been writing my own IRC server, and its very cool | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | it can cope with 65000 simultanious users (in theory) | 01:59 |
| summel | quassel core is a commandline "client"/db system that runs 24/7 on your server and connects to your networks etc... and then you connect the quassel client (qt4 platform independent) to your core <3 | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke xchat | 01:59 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at xchat ... B☢☢M! | 01:59 | |
| PhonicUK | and thats only because of the 64k port limit | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the *new* xchat | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | and Lua scripting integrated into the server ^_^ | 01:59 |
| d14 | i use xchat.. long long time ago, now only irssi ;) | 01:59 |
| PhonicUK | summel, sounds a lot like eggdrop | 02:00 |
| summel | MohammadAG: how do i clear out the targets? :o | 02:00 |
| summel | PhonicUK: its better :) | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | run the script with --help | 02:00 |
| summel | thx ^^ | 02:00 |
| summel | the 2nd one? :D | 02:00 |
| Corsac | too many people in that chan wrote their own irc server | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | see which one clears out the targets | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, not sure | 02:00 |
| Corsac | (but at least that means some of us got laid thanks to them) | 02:00 |
| PhonicUK | Corsac, how many IRC servers let you do something like this: | 02:01 |
| PhonicUK | http://pastebin.com/DZfxRqhZ | 02:01 |
| summel | 2nd one i think | 02:01 |
| summel | -y | 02:01 |
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| summel | ^^ | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | summel, -yYes, force remove of existing targets. | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 02:01 |
| summel | :) | 02:01 |
| Corsac | I'm not sure it's the point of an irc server anyway :) | 02:01 |
| Corsac | while helping people to get laid sure is | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | i686 is i386? | 02:02 |
| PhonicUK | its for giving admins the ability to integrate their server with other services ^_^ | 02:02 |
| summel | i guess | 02:02 |
| summel | :D | 02:02 |
| summel | its 32bit | 02:02 |
| summel | xD | 02:02 |
| summel | and i686 is compatible to i386 afaik | 02:02 |
| summel | (i386 runs on i686 but not the other way around) | 02:03 |
| PhonicUK | WinSCP ftw | 02:04 |
| summel | :D | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | Nautilus ftw | 02:05 |
| PhonicUK | ooh the firefox engine supports some of the CSS3 stuff ^_^ | 02:05 |
| PhonicUK | drop shadows et al | 02:05 |
| lcukn900 | beer ftw2 | 02:05 |
| summel | PhonicUK: yes i already use that stuff | 02:06 |
| summel | <3 | 02:06 |
| summel | and rounded corners | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | yah | 02:06 |
| summel | and png transparency | 02:06 |
| summel | <3 | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | i was just testing out my webapp library, works perfectly | 02:06 |
| PhonicUK | its for making web apps that are visually indistinquishable (sp?) from desktop ones | 02:07 |
| summel | MohammadAG: it still fails at setting up sudo :( | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | grrr | 02:07 |
| summel | Updating sudoers | 02:07 |
| summel | mmap: Operation not permitted | 02:07 |
| summel | /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo changes break sudoers | 02:07 |
| summel | dpkg: error processing sudo (--configure): | 02:07 |
| summel | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | 02:07 |
| summel | whoops | 02:07 |
| mece | :) | 02:08 |
| summel | could it be because i use a kubuntu RC? | 02:09 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 02:09 |
| summel | but as far as i can tell the sudo stuff breaks in the scratchbox thingy which has nothing to do with the system im running? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | it could be because you're not running it as fakeroot/sudo | 02:09 |
| summel | yes i am running it as the maemo user like the wiki page said | 02:10 |
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| summel | i only did run the 1st one as sudo | 02:10 |
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| mece | is it possible to resize the opt and MyDocs paritions without emptying them? | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | might be, if you can export the whole eMMC | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | then you can just gparted it | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: I tarred up mydocs onto /home - deleted the partition, made a new 4G mydocs - untarred - and created a large ext3 in the remaining space | 02:15 |
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| mece | the speed differance of these two partitions are just ridiculous, considering it's the same chip, so I wanted to make more use of home parition. | 02:15 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, sounds like a good idea. | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: then I told the tracker to also index /home/user/data/sounds - and the tunes popped up | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | speed difference? | 02:16 |
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| mece | :) | 02:16 |
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| mece | SpeedEvil, somehow using MyDocs slows the device down, but not using opt. | 02:16 |
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| mece | dunno wtf is up, but it seems that way. | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | what using? | 02:16 |
| mece | well everything. Disc operations mostly. | 02:17 |
| mece | everything seems faster on home than mydocs | 02:17 |
| mece | it could have been coincidence though. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | depends what you're doing. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | some things are ridiculously slower on vfat - as vfat doesn't support sparse files. | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it is theoretically possible to resize MyDocs to use the whole 32GBs (minus the 768 swap), and move /opt to MyDocs right? | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | (USB won't work obviously) | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I have no idea. | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: This was done back when the camera would not save to ext2 | 02:19 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, didn't you do just that? | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | no - mydocs is now 4G | 02:19 |
| mece | ah ok., | 02:19 |
| mece | yeah I want some mydocs too. I was thinking 8Gb | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik they just swapped partitions (2GB for MyDocs and the rest for /opt) | 02:19 |
| mece | oh well.. I don't think I'll du it right now though. | 02:19 |
| PhonicUK | my nose hurts | 02:20 |
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| PhonicUK | ow | 02:21 |
| PhonicUK | thab hurd | 02:21 |
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| mece | hmm I think we have links to some illegal stuff on the heroes 2 thread.. | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, it's as powerful as a brick | 02:22 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | but has other uses | 02:22 |
| PhonicUK | 600MHz Brick! | 02:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MyDocs is VFAT -> no posix permissions | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG | unless we ext3 it | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | that would bork the camera, but I rarely use it | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | and I have a MicroSD card | 02:25 |
| pupnik | bork bork bork | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | you usually can't run ELFs off a VFAT fs | 02:27 |
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| MohammadAG | VFAT caused me problems | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | I was trying to run something off of it | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | and it didn't work | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | after an hour or so o I remembered I can't exec from it | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what I say above, and why I think MyDocs isn't suitable for opt/ | 02:32 |
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| * b-man17 wonders from a technical perspective why the camera depends on the MyDocs patririon being vfat... | 02:37 | |
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| b-man17 | *partition | 02:37 |
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| ds3 | isn't that to maintain that DCIM tree structure like other cameras? | 02:37 |
| b-man17 | DCIM tree structure? | 02:38 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but if the whole eMMC was formatted as ext3, and opt was moved to it | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | it would be useful | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, except for usb mass storage | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which was the whole point about that MyDocs madness | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ssh ftw | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | especially over a local network :) | 02:41 |
| ds3 | that... pictures are stored under DCIM/something/.... | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | ds3, got a microSD | 02:41 |
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| MohammadAG | so I don't care about the cam | 02:41 |
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| hellyeah | what the hell | 02:41 |
| ds3 | hmm | 02:41 |
| ds3 | and is it happy about the microSD? | 02:42 |
| ds3 | it didn't like my ext3 formated microSD and complains loudly each time it gets | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: IIRC the camera vfat shit was a combined permissions + uc/lc issue | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically a huge bug | 02:42 |
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| ds3 | that is a minor bug compared to the other annoyances | 02:43 |
| b-man17 | DocScrutinizer: hope this bug gets fixed - a single 32GB ext3/4 partition would be nice :) | 02:44 |
| b-man17 | err | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and also IIRC cam won't work even with vfat uSD, if MyDocs is 'borked' | 02:44 |
| ds3 | are there reasonably priced 32G microSDs? | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | that's f'd up | 02:45 |
| b-man17 | well, you still need a partition for swap ;) | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, only way to find out is... | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | roundabout 80 bucks I think | 02:45 |
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| b-man17 | ~bork | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | my microSD is ext3 atm | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and a 3rd time IIRC this cam vfat bug was fixed with 1.1.1 | 02:46 |
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| PhonicUK | gah | 02:53 |
| PhonicUK | i hate installers that mandade restarting part way through ;\ | 02:53 |
| PhonicUK | stupid .Net framework 4.0 | 02:54 |
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| mece | can you just copy ttf files to /usr/share/fonts/ and start using them? | 03:03 |
| FlavioFerreira | someone have been tried at Gsoc for ebook reader ?] | 03:05 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, I use /home/user/.fonts for my app | 03:08 |
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| summel | does syncing n900 with google work? | 03:10 |
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| haltdef_ | yes | 03:11 |
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| haltdef_ | contacts anyway, not tried anything else | 03:11 |
| summel | contacts and calendar would be important for me :) | 03:11 |
| ccooke | calendar worked | 03:12 |
| summel | direct syncing with kontact (bluetooth) would also be nice/ok | 03:12 |
| ccooke | with MfE | 03:12 |
| summel | \o/ | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks for the filename to that braindead xchat.so | 03:12 |
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| MohammadAG | no problem, wasn't that an hour ago? :P | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.2 imminent http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624772 | 03:13 |
| ds3 | 7 | 03:14 |
| ds3 | I so miss USB hostmode :~( | 03:14 |
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| ccooke | MohammadAG: so, you mean "more dissapointed whining and fud" immanent? ;-) | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | ccooke, they corelate :P | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | s/corelate/correlate | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | <ds3> I so miss USB hostmode :~( | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | never tried it here | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | actually I thought about it when I had the N95 | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | thought it was technically impossible (never googled it) | 03:17 |
| summel | is there a tool to create n900 themes/wallpapers? or could i do that with the sdk? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, usb hostmode *IS* possible | 03:18 |
| ccooke | DocScrutinizer: but not plausible ;-) | 03:18 |
| cehteh | show it else it doesnt exist :P | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slllow furry! Got my N900 some 9h ago | 03:19 |
| cehteh | got? | 03:19 |
| summel | ;_; i still have to wait a few hours | 03:20 |
| PhonicUK | <3 CorsixTH :) | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: I had to wait months, until november 2009 | 03:20 |
| summel | :D | 03:20 |
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| summel | i ordered mine yesterday... should arrive sometime later this day (its 2:20 am :/) | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi 'neighbour' :-) | 03:21 |
| FauxFaux | Heh, I thought one charger was slightly faster than the other. 1200mA vs. 350mA. | 03:21 |
| PhonicUK | nummel, you don't need anything special to make the wallpapers | 03:21 |
| PhonicUK | *summel | 03:21 |
| cehteh | FauxFaux: slightly .. haha | 03:22 |
| hellyeah | what is thi channel about | 03:22 |
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| summel | PhonicUK: but i need 4 wallpapers? | 03:22 |
| summel | *pictures | 03:22 |
| PhonicUK | correct | 03:22 |
| cehteh | 350ma should take like half a day to charge | 03:22 |
| summel | and they have to overlap for ~90%? | 03:22 |
| PhonicUK | you make 1 really long image (3200x480) | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao http://www.youtube.com/tehkseven | 03:22 |
| PhonicUK | and split it into 4x 800x480 images | 03:22 |
| * FauxFaux swaps which is used for trickle-charge on the desk and which is used when I actually want it charged. :p | 03:23 | |
| PhonicUK | et voila | 03:23 |
| PhonicUK | i made my own 4 screen background, was pretty easy | 03:23 |
| summel | but do i have to name them in a special way or something like that? | 03:23 |
| summel | or do i have to load all 4 of them manually? | 03:23 |
| PhonicUK | if you don't mind manually setting each image, you don't need to do anything | 03:23 |
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| PhonicUK | if you want them as a 'pack' theres an extra file you have to make using a text editor | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ccooke: it *is* plausible -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=583165#post583165 plus follow-ups | 03:24 |
| Torne | can you disable the startup video? | 03:24 |
| PhonicUK | Torne, yes | 03:24 |
| summel | is there an example file? :) | 03:24 |
| PhonicUK | yeah 1 moment | 03:24 |
| cehteh | haha german beer with ice :P | 03:24 |
| summel | \o/ thx | 03:24 |
| PhonicUK | http://thenokiablog.com/2009/10/24/how-to-create-loopable-wallpapers-nokia-n900/ | 03:24 |
| summel | cehteh: ewww | 03:24 |
| Torne | PhonicUK: ..how? :) | 03:25 |
| PhonicUK | you can just delete the video :P | 03:25 |
| PhonicUK | or theres a file somewhere with a list of which videos to play at boot time | 03:25 |
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| PhonicUK | theres an app called Bootscreen to help you manage it | 03:26 |
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| PhonicUK | later all, nn | 03:38 |
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| luke-jr | hmm, Nokia should have made the bootup screen reconfigurable | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | over the air | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | change it for holidays :) | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 03:41 |
| cehteh | you boot way too often | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | It can be changed over the air :) | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | a deb can be made to unpack the video, the postinst updates the configuration file | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: I don't boot at all. | 03:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Why is maemo.org down :/ | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weekend? | 04:26 |
| summel | does somebody want to test my wallpaper? :D | 04:27 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is it always down at weekends? | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not uncommon | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | Fixed in PR1.2? | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:30 |
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| MohammadAG | well, can't be bothered to keep refreshing just to push a new package | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | night | 04:32 |
| Macer | hm | 04:32 |
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| Macer | 500GB hard drives for $84 | 04:32 |
| Macer | i need one for a ps3 | 04:32 |
| cehteh | huh last year i brought a 1.5TB one for little over 100eur .. incl usb encasing | 04:36 |
| cehteh | just the badblocks check over usb (5 passes) took almost 14 days :P | 04:36 |
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| asj | $84 | 04:42 |
| asj | ? | 04:42 |
| asj | try $40 http://www.woot.com/ | 04:42 |
| pronto | asj: thats also refurbished | 04:44 |
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| b-man | ~$10 | 04:46 |
| b-man | hmm, infobot seems to be down :( | 04:46 |
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| GAN900 | Wow | 04:48 |
| GAN900 | That Netwalker PC-T1 looks about perfecr | 04:49 |
| GAN900 | s/cr/ct/ | 04:49 |
| infobot | GAN900 meant: That Netwalker PC-T1 looks about perfect | 04:49 |
| pronto | woah | 04:49 |
| pronto | (at the bot) | 04:49 |
| Macer | n900 lasted a whole day under some pretty heavy use | 04:50 |
| b-man | hmm, infobot doesn't like me :( | 04:50 |
| Macer | that's like 10x better than my G1 :) | 04:50 |
| pronto | rawr | 04:50 |
| pronto | s/rawr/boom | 04:50 |
| pronto | s/rawr/boom/ | 04:51 |
| infobot | pronto meant: s/boom/boom | 04:51 |
| pronto | rawr | 04:51 |
| pronto | s/rawr/boom/ | 04:51 |
| infobot | pronto meant: boom | 04:51 |
| b-man | pronto: moo | 04:51 |
| pronto | k i done :p | 04:51 |
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| summel | http://summel.de/n900/ if anyone is interested :) | 04:56 |
| pronto | and that is? | 04:57 |
| summel | 2 wallpapers :) | 04:57 |
| pronto | ah | 04:58 |
| summel | maybe i will do a complete theme in a few days if i can find out how :D | 04:58 |
| pronto | i've done a n900 wall paper \o/ | 04:58 |
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| pronto | http://pronto185.com/2010/02/skull-wallpaper-for-the-n900/ (preview, gimp xcf file, and the images including in the post) | 04:59 |
| summel | :D | 04:59 |
| summel | its pretty easy once you know how | 04:59 |
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| summel | the second one i did is very similar to my first one but should wrap around unlike the first one ^^ | 05:00 |
| pronto | i rather like it | 05:00 |
| summel | thx ^_^ | 05:01 |
| pronto | what would be better is the blue1 style with wrap around | 05:01 |
| summel | i will probably do a few more in the next days | 05:01 |
| pronto | also, you should do waht i did, provide a full preview :p | 05:01 |
| summel | yeah will do that for the next ones :) | 05:02 |
| summel | and for those later | 05:02 |
| summel | :o | 05:02 |
| pronto | what did you use to m ake them? | 05:02 |
| summel | photoshop ^^ | 05:02 |
| pronto | ah | 05:02 |
| pronto | i used gimp to edit someones wallpaper they made in photoshop | 05:03 |
| summel | somebody should write a simple app to install .wallpaper files ( a zip file with the 4 images and the desktop file) :) | 05:03 |
| summel | yeah gimp is also nice i use both ^^ | 05:03 |
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| asj | pronto: for $40 what's there to lose ? ;) | 05:08 |
| pronto | the announce of a HDD failing on you | 05:08 |
| summel | pronto: better? :D | 05:11 |
| pronto | awesome \o/ | 05:12 |
| summel | :D | 05:12 |
| ptl | Summeli: I did a shell script that gets 3200x480 image and converts to the N900 format using imagemagick, it also creates the .desktop file | 05:12 |
| ptl | Summeli: do you want it? | 05:12 |
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| pronto | ooo i want that too | 05:12 |
| summel | ptl: does it put the pics in the right place on the n900? | 05:12 |
| summel | :D | 05:12 |
| ptl | no, it just creates the 5 files. It could be easily adapted to do that, though, if you run it on the N900. | 05:13 |
| ptl | http://patola.org/cria-wallpaper-n900.sh | 05:13 |
| ptl | it's very simple and check for errors. | 05:13 |
| summel | ah thx :) | 05:13 |
| ptl | s/check/checks/ | 05:13 |
| infobot | ptl meant: it's very simple and checks for errors. | 05:13 |
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| summel | maybe i will write one myself that "installs" the wallpapers on the n900 | 05:14 |
| summel | later today when i got my n900 xD | 05:14 |
| ptl | just move it to /home/user/MyDocs/.images once they're converted | 05:14 |
| ptl | just need to add a couple lines to this script | 05:14 |
| summel | hmmm im not sure how i want to do that yet.... do i want to distribute a .wallpaper (zip) file or do i want to distribute 1 large jpg and let the n900 hanlde the slicing? | 05:15 |
| ptl | .wallpaper? Does the n900 recognize this one? | 05:16 |
| summel | a gui application on the n900 like the kde4 get-hot-new-stuff wallpaper thingy would be nice :D | 05:16 |
| ptl | there is, but it's not free | 05:16 |
| summel | ptl: the script would unzip the provided .wallpaper file xD | 05:16 |
| ptl | it's the app from http://www.n900wallpapers.com | 05:16 |
| summel | ewww | 05:16 |
| summel | i hate non-free stuff on my free device :D | 05:16 |
| ptl | me too. | 05:17 |
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| summel | somebody should write a free app for that | 05:17 |
| summel | i would if i could get the sdk working xDD | 05:17 |
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| Pavlz | hello | 05:20 |
| Pavlz | i don't find anymore my stylus pen for nokia 770 | 05:20 |
| Pavlz | where can i buy it ? | 05:21 |
| summel | buy an n900 and use that one :O | 05:21 |
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| Pavlz | is the same pen ? | 05:21 |
| summel | i guess npt but it should work xD and you get a nice phone for "free" too xD | 05:22 |
| Pavlz | npt ? xD ? | 05:22 |
| summel | *not | 05:22 |
| summel | xD = x) + :D | 05:22 |
| Pavlz | :-) | 05:23 |
| summel | ^_^ | 05:23 |
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| Pavlz | yes, but i am searching only the pen | 05:23 |
| summel | Pavlz: well i guess any stylus would do... | 05:23 |
| Pavlz | i got my nokia 770 | 05:23 |
| Pavlz | how much for ? | 05:24 |
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| summel | and i guess there are a few on ebay... it wont probably fit in the holder though | 05:24 |
| Pavlz | and where to send you the transfer banking ? | 05:24 |
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| Pavlz | i have not find on ebay | 05:24 |
| Ken-Young | Has anyone seen any figures on how many N900s Nokia has sold? | 05:25 |
| Pavlz | which is the code of stylus pen for nokia 770 ? | 05:26 |
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| Pavlz | i find one at home | 05:48 |
| Pavlz | now a little query: | 05:48 |
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| Pavlz | a little circuit to convert 5 Volt of USB to 3,7 Volt, so that is possible to charge the battery | 05:49 |
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| cehteh | you cant charge a liion battery by voltage alone | 05:54 |
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| Macer | haha | 05:59 |
| Macer | man can not live on bread and water alone | 05:59 |
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| Pavlz | is possible | 06:00 |
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| Macer | hm | 06:02 |
| Macer | i have a problem | 06:02 |
| Macer | is there a way to delete specific jabber fields ? | 06:02 |
| Macer | instead of the entire jabber contact info? | 06:03 |
| Macer | they don't let you delete individual fields like jabber call | 06:03 |
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| Macer | or better yet.. is there a way to make a contact icon on the desktop go straight to an IM instead of showing the contact? :) | 06:04 |
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| Pavlz | cable usb, take red color and weld a diode 1N4007 or 1N4148 where there is not the circle, at this point weld on the center the diode | 06:11 |
| Pavlz | on the connector 2,00 mm | 06:12 |
| Pavlz | and the black on the external pin | 06:12 |
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| Pavlz | 5 volt - 1,2 Volt = 3,8 Volt | 06:13 |
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| cehteh | and? | 06:18 |
| cehteh | charge end voltage is 4.2V | 06:18 |
| cehteh | liion is very sensitive to overcharging | 06:18 |
| ptl | just found out about sleeppy patterna | 06:19 |
| ptl | s/patterna/patterns/ | 06:19 |
| infobot | ptl meant: just found out about sleeppy patterns | 06:19 |
| cehteh | but with 3.8V you wont get close to that .. while you need a current protection too | 06:19 |
| ptl | this program seems very interesting | 06:19 |
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| Macer | there's no away status for jabber? :) | 06:37 |
| Macer | only available... offline.. and busy | 06:37 |
| Macer | that sucks | 06:37 |
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| Gh0sty | hello | 08:25 |
| Gh0sty | quiet here today :) | 08:25 |
| * ptl working out, can't talk | 08:26 | |
| Gh0sty | not that i follow all the news around maemo yet ... but wondering: there is lots of talk about the "soon" (or not) comming out of meego? | 08:26 |
| Gh0sty | that this would be better than the current version and stuff ... | 08:27 |
| Gh0sty | whats the truth about that? :) | 08:27 |
| summel | Gh0sty: meego is another os... kinda | 08:27 |
| Gh0sty | ptl: so you said that through your neural interface (a usb plug in your head matrix style? :P ) | 08:27 |
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| summel | more like another distribution... | 08:28 |
| Gh0sty | yes but from what I hear it's something intel and nokia created together and nokia will support it in the end? | 08:28 |
| summel | a merge between maemo and moblin... | 08:28 |
| summel | and i am not sure if it will be better then maemo | 08:28 |
| Gh0sty | yes i understood that already | 08:28 |
| summel | moblin sucked :D | 08:28 |
| Gh0sty | oh really? :o | 08:28 |
| Gh0sty | hmm ok then i was mal informed | 08:28 |
| Gh0sty | but was just wondering from a developer point of view: | 08:28 |
| summel | it looked nice and had some nice ideas and features but most stuff was broken | 08:28 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: no, I've got a few seconds to rest between repetitions, so I check IRC | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | is it worth it to start hacking / creating new stuff for the current version of maemo? | 08:29 |
| summel | wifi didnt even work and it had a strange ui concept | 08:29 |
| summel | but it looked nice | 08:29 |
| summel | :D | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | or do i wait for meego? | 08:29 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: I've setup a small gym in my house | 08:29 |
| * ptl will wait for PR1.2, then install Meego | 08:29 | |
| Gh0sty | ptl: hehe i'm not so much of a sports guy but i'd like to start some more sports | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | now do swim once a week (or at least i commited to that sorta) | 08:29 |
| summel | Gh0sty: imho yes... maemo is really great and afaik nokia does not "support" meego on the n900 (but you can install it anyways if you like) | 08:29 |
| Gh0sty | oh and are there new versions of maemo coming out any time soon? | 08:30 |
| summel | afaik yes | 08:30 |
| summel | but only minor upgrades | 08:30 |
| summel | maemo6 = meego | 08:30 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: doing an exercise once a week is not healthy, it overloads your heart. A healthy routine should include exercise at least 3 times a week and no more than six times a week. | 08:31 |
| ptl | hmmm, overloads it not a good word. :P | 08:31 |
| ptl | it forces your heart. | 08:32 |
| Gh0sty | yes yes i understand | 08:32 |
| Gh0sty | ptl: trying ... but currently i have too much of a work schedule | 08:33 |
| Gh0sty | which is soon going to change since i'm about to quit jobs | 08:33 |
| Gh0sty | after 2,5 year putting heart and soul in the company | 08:33 |
| ptl | Hmm! :-/ | 08:33 |
| Gh0sty | i get a review ... job very well done, a pat on the back ... but we do not have anything for you ... | 08:34 |
| ptl | Hope the wage is better then. | 08:34 |
| Gh0sty | well already got a call from a recruiter yesterday that i'm highly wanted for a new opportunity :) | 08:34 |
| Gh0sty | and i don't care so much about the wage | 08:34 |
| Gh0sty | it's just that i put heart and soul in it ... and do not get any respect or appreciation back | 08:34 |
| Gh0sty | I asked for some simple stupid things beside a small augmentation of my wage | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 08:35 |
| Gh0sty | which was actually more of a focus than the augmentation itself ... | 08:35 |
| vasily_pupkin[m] | anybody know, is tear alive? | 08:35 |
| Gh0sty | and that got denied | 08:35 |
| Gh0sty | hello Stskeeps | 08:35 |
| Gh0sty | you are from europe then Stskeeps ? :) | 08:36 |
| Gh0sty | oh right ... ofcourse ... finland :P | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | originally .dk, now .pl | 08:36 |
| Gh0sty | oh nice | 08:37 |
| Gh0sty | whats interesting to see at .pl? :) | 08:37 |
| Gh0sty | my parents go there this summer i believe :p | 08:37 |
| Gh0sty | never been though | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | don't ask me, just moved here in september, but prices are fairly cheap and the women are beautiful | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:38 |
| Gh0sty | :P | 08:39 |
| Gh0sty | i heard something about that too yeah :p | 08:39 |
| Gh0sty | dammit should go there :) | 08:39 |
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| Gh0sty | had a nice contact with a girl but she has "problems in her life" right now so she does not want to date currently :( | 08:39 |
| Gh0sty | and i already lost part of my heart to her even though i never met her :/ | 08:40 |
| Gh0sty | i'm just too soft i guess :p | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i met a girl at my dorm who asked if i could help her with her computer, one thing let to another and we are now married | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:41 |
| Gh0sty | :D | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, geek dreams do come true) | 08:41 |
| Gh0sty | well the girl i was talking about ... | 08:41 |
| Gh0sty | works in IT :p | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i could never date anyone who could criticize my code :P | 08:41 |
| Gh0sty | is a php developer, creative mind, knows a bit about linux, goes to girl geekdinners, likes to swim (also one of my hobbys) | 08:42 |
| Gh0sty | a girl to my heart :P | 08:42 |
| Gh0sty | as said already lost part of my heart to her and I don't even know her irl :p | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, how young and naive people can be :P | 08:43 |
| * Stskeeps goes get coffee | 08:43 | |
| Gh0sty | just some chatter on facebook and stuff ... its also completely random that I got into contact with her :p | 08:43 |
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| Gh0sty | its vaguely a colleague from a friend ... and he posted some random chatter (which was about her from me) to her mail ... :P | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So, whaddayathink? Male? 40+? Beer belly and that nasty glittering look in the eyes these guys always seem to have? | 08:44 |
| RST38h | Probably masturbates while chatting to Gh0sty, too... | 08:44 |
| Gh0sty | nah :P | 08:45 |
| Gh0sty | got pics from her (from that friend and also what i can see on facebook) | 08:45 |
| summel | <3 google image search | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: nah, just that what you think is not what you always eget | 08:45 |
| summel | :D | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | get | 08:45 |
| RST38h | Oh, I also look just like Sandra Bullock on my pics =) | 08:46 |
| Gh0sty | lol RST38h :P | 08:46 |
| * RST38h idly notices that it is a shame having to find out about new Maemo5 software by checking http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/ | 08:48 | |
| RST38h | The /packages/ page is not even linked from anywhere a normal person would look | 08:48 |
| Gh0sty | cool | 08:49 |
| Gh0sty | there is so much i still need to find ... :/ | 08:49 |
| Gh0sty | feel like i'm behind ages :p | 08:50 |
| Gh0sty | since i only got the device a week or 2 now :) | 08:50 |
| Gh0sty | already installed half of the apps from the normal repos :P | 08:50 |
| ptl | RST38h: I just found some package that way, sleeppy - sleep patterns for the N900, kinda like the iPhone Sleep Cycle app | 08:55 |
| ptl | RST38h: maybe someone could add the /packages/ page to the wiki | 08:55 |
| Gh0sty | whats that? :/ | 08:56 |
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| Gh0sty | (i do not have an iphone and never will) | 08:56 |
| Gh0sty | from my point of view its trading evil (windows mobile) for pure evil (mac stuff) | 08:56 |
| ptl | I agree | 08:58 |
| ptl | i haven't used this app yet | 08:58 |
| Gh0sty | but what does it do? :P | 08:59 |
| ptl | but from what I understand it stays at your side when you sleep | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | sing sleepy songs for you? :) | 08:59 |
| ptl | and using the accelerometer it records when you shake the bed and such | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | LOL | 08:59 |
| ptl | so it records your 'sleep patterns', it means it records your movements | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | putting a phone next to you ... while you are asleep | 08:59 |
| ptl | when you are in deep sleep, you don't move | 08:59 |
| ptl | and you set an alarm | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | does not sound like ... good for your brain cells | 08:59 |
| ptl | it waits for you to leave the deep sleep phase before sounding the alarm | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | i stil believe in turning off the antenna during the night ... | 08:59 |
| ptl | you get a pretty graphic and such | 09:00 |
| ptl | there is a youtube demo where some stop-motion of someone sleeping is show alongside the graphics | 09:00 |
| Gh0sty | :) | 09:00 |
| Gh0sty | nice | 09:00 |
| Gh0sty | amazing what you can do with this thing :p | 09:00 |
| ptl | I don't know if this is a feature of the app, but it doesn't seem to be | 09:00 |
| ptl | yep | 09:00 |
| Gh0sty | but anyway i would like to see some other stuff fixed :( | 09:01 |
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| Gh0sty | studying my own sleep cycles is no priority :P | 09:01 |
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| Gh0sty | anyone here prepared to make me some software if i say ... pay you 20 eur? :p | 09:01 |
| ptl | it's more of an alarm app | 09:01 |
| Gh0sty | (really really want some stuff ... :/ ) | 09:02 |
| Gh0sty | and since i'm not a developer ... :/ | 09:02 |
| Gh0sty | or if you ever would come to belgium also willing to pay in beers :P | 09:03 |
| Gh0sty | ofcourse i cannot advance those ;) | 09:03 |
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| Macer | ugh. i forgot my wall cahrger somewhere and the usb charger seems to take like forever to charge it | 09:05 |
| Gh0sty | Macer: if you plug it into usb did you select mass storage or so? | 09:06 |
| Gh0sty | from a friend i got the insider information: | 09:06 |
| Gh0sty | if you click next to the box it only charges at 100mA | 09:06 |
| Macer | no. i just let it charge | 09:06 |
| Gh0sty | if you click on mass storage or the other thingy ... it charges at 500mA | 09:06 |
| Macer | oh wtf :) | 09:06 |
| Macer | well.. that explains a lot | 09:07 |
| Gh0sty | and i guess the regular charger in the wall is probably more ... *not sure about that though* | 09:07 |
| stonda | logical, not | 09:07 |
| summel | Gh0sty: you know that the magnet field of the earth is MUCH stronger then any radiation from a mobile phone? :D | 09:07 |
| Gh0sty | summel: nevertheless | 09:07 |
| Gh0sty | from documentaries i've seen | 09:07 |
| Gh0sty | elektromagnetic waves are supposedly not too well for your brain and stuff | 09:08 |
| summel | i've seen documentaries in which all gay men are pedophiles... ;) | 09:08 |
| Gh0sty | and anyway | 09:08 |
| Gh0sty | who has to call me when i'm in my deep sleep? :P | 09:08 |
| Gh0sty | i just use it in a sane manner: | 09:08 |
| summel | :D | 09:08 |
| Gh0sty | at night it gets turned off | 09:08 |
| Gh0sty | the same with my wifi at home | 09:09 |
| summel | but i would also pay someone to write an app for me :) | 09:09 |
| Gh0sty | well the app i really want | 09:09 |
| Gh0sty | is something i have on my e65 already ... (well i would like a better version ofcourse!) | 09:09 |
| summel | oh... and are there instructions on how to make a theme? or can someony make a theme for me? i would also pay :D | 09:09 |
| Gh0sty | its location and time based profiles ... :P | 09:10 |
| Gh0sty | explanation: | 09:10 |
| Gh0sty | i once scouted the movie theater in our town | 09:10 |
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| Gh0sty | all those cells are in my cellphone | 09:10 |
| Gh0sty | when i now arrive at the movie theater | 09:10 |
| Gh0sty | my e65 was switching automatically to "silent" (only vibrate, no sound) profile | 09:11 |
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| Gh0sty | time based schedules: | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | Gh0sty: there's a tool in works for that | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | sheperd, i think | 09:11 |
| Gh0sty | at night around 22h people are sleeping at home ... my phone goes to really silent (only light up, no sound or vibrate) profile | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 09:12 |
| Gh0sty | and what i would like ... is a combination of the 2: | 09:12 |
| Gh0sty | if i am at home and it's 22h ... it should go to really silent ... | 09:12 |
| Gh0sty | if i am not at home and it's 22h ... leave it to normal ... and put it to silent when i come home later that evening | 09:13 |
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| ptl | there is certainly a way to set the N900 for that | 09:13 |
| Gh0sty | as said: willing to pay even to get that fixed :p | 09:13 |
| ptl | but I think you have to use some more deep customization. Maybe dbus-scripts and actman | 09:13 |
| ptl | as far as I know, there's nothing friendly for that | 09:13 |
| Gh0sty | ptl: i am not a developer so can't do it myself :P | 09:14 |
| ptl | just pieces you can use | 09:14 |
| ptl | yeah, it's a big downside of the GNU/Linux world. | 09:14 |
| Gh0sty | already asked my friend if he does not want to fix me that :) | 09:14 |
| ptl | some developers build just the basic pieces and expect you to do the rest | 09:14 |
| Gh0sty | and he's actually present at the momnet :p | 09:14 |
| Gh0sty | (but probably not yet awake) | 09:14 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: how about you stop saying that you "want to pay for people fixing that", and how about you just post an offer? | 09:14 |
| Gh0sty | he's waiting a bit, considering to buy the phone also to develop on it ... :) | 09:14 |
| ptl | crashanddie: he did say he'd pay EUR20 | 09:15 |
| crashanddie | LMAO | 09:15 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: the work involved to develop such a feature would be more around a full month salary (then again, depends on what your salary is) | 09:15 |
| ptl | I happen to disagree | 09:15 |
| ptl | if it's a full-fletched application, I'd agree | 09:16 |
| ptl | but I think this work is more like setting up some scripts and such | 09:16 |
| crashanddie | well, I don't know exactly what he's requesting | 09:16 |
| ptl | the 'configuration' would not be easily changeable, tho | 09:16 |
| summel | i would pay 10€ for a nice wallpaper manager application :) | 09:16 |
| Gh0sty | i don't know what the work involved would be :p | 09:16 |
| summel | and 20€ for a custom theme ^^ | 09:16 |
| Gh0sty | but i'm sure other people would like the same app | 09:16 |
| crashanddie | I'm writing a SMS/conversation analyser | 09:16 |
| RST38h | But it should be very easy and cheap because it is Linux and the Linux software is all free! | 09:16 |
| Gh0sty | maybe we can start a market ? :) | 09:17 |
| Gh0sty | bid on an idea ... :P | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: ovi store | 09:17 |
| RST38h | So, crashanddie, you should start working on his request immediately, if you want to earn those EUR20! | 09:17 |
| Gh0sty | post an idea, get some people to chip in small amounts, get a developer to do it ... | 09:17 |
| RST38h | Yes, idea is all that matters, right | 09:17 |
| Gh0sty | RST38h: it was just a suggestion ... :p | 09:17 |
| summel | Gh0sty: users submits idea for an app. next user pays 5€... next user pays 7€... overal amount paid: 28€ ... developer says: ok, i do that for 28€ :D | 09:18 |
| RST38h | Implementation is boring and better be done by "coders" who are not qualified to come with their own ideas. | 09:18 |
| Gh0sty | summel: well i dont think i'm the only one who would like an app like described above ... :) | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | The app goes through your conversations, and tells you how many SMSs you send on average per day (amount of sms's and amount of messages), also gives you stats with regards to when you send the most texts/place most calls, and eventually, I'd like to aggregate price comparison websites so that the app can recommend the best deal for you per country. | 09:18 |
| summel | i guess so :) | 09:18 |
| Gh0sty | if i pay 20, another pays 10, another pays ... | 09:18 |
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| Gh0sty | in the end we could maybe gather 200 - 300 eur lets say | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | guys, you can't have people pay different amounts | 09:19 |
| Gh0sty | then maybe a dev could say ok lets do it ... :p | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | because nobody would pay the first app | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | This is an age-old economy chestnut: can customers retroactively get reductions? | 09:19 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Nobody will pay, period. | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: actually, I think the appstore has proven the contrary | 09:20 |
| Gh0sty | what do you mean by nobody would pay the first app? :/ | 09:20 |
| RST38h | If you can get something for free, you will not pay. | 09:20 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Actually, AppStore rather confirms what I have just said | 09:20 |
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| Gh0sty | ok let me put it differently then ... | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | everybody who wants the app pays 5 eur | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: if the first purchase is 10eur, and then the second and third purchase is 5eur, and then the next 5 purchases are 3eur each, etc | 09:21 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Check how many developers actually make a living by publishing on AppStore | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | people who first invest in it get it for free | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | and it stays in the ovi store for 5 eur ... :) | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | so even if the app is finished ... new guys still need to pay 5 eur | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | i bought half of my symbian apps too ... | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: http://gamesfromwithin.com/making-a-living-barely-on-the-iphone-app-store | 09:22 |
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| RST38h | Gh0sty: Ok. So, 100 people pay 5 euros each, which comes down to 500 euros. That is what a software engineer makes *per week*, in a developing country | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: that's hardly "nobody pays" | 09:22 |
| Gh0sty | for the couple of euro you pay adding some nice additional features ... | 09:22 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: I am trying to find some app for you | 09:22 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: try dwind | 09:22 |
| Gh0sty | where can i find that ptl ? :p | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: how much do you make yearly? | 09:22 |
| Gh0sty | RST38h: well i am hoping those developers also do it partially because they like it ... :) | 09:23 |
| Chiku|dc | ptl, no more _wait_PR1.2 for your nick ? | 09:23 |
| ptl | dwimd processes sensor inputs (like the GPS location or the phone orientation) and modifies the phone behaviour based on a user policy.% | 09:23 |
| Gh0sty | thats what foss is also about :p | 09:23 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: extras-devel, of course | 09:23 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: this is for one application only, and even that is hardly stellar | 09:23 |
| ptl | Chiku|dc: nokia's unwillingness to satisfy basic needs of their users has beaten me., | 09:23 |
| ptl | Chiku|dc: it was 'demands' :P | 09:23 |
| Chiku|dc | yes | 09:24 |
| * Gh0sty agrees with ptl | 09:24 | |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I believe that for most apps the return on investment is sufficient | 09:24 |
| Gh0sty | ptl: not really what i want ... :p | 09:24 |
| RST38h | Gh0sty: What makes you think developers will implement your idea because they like it? | 09:24 |
| RST38h | Most developers have their own ideas | 09:24 |
| Gh0sty | ok so be it ... :p | 09:24 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: I do not believe that, sorry. | 09:24 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: And, believe it or not, I have been selling my apps for years now. | 09:24 |
| ptl | Gh0sty: you should add extras-devel and extras-testing and try some searches to see if you can find a suitable application | 09:25 |
| Gh0sty | your opinion can differ from mine RST38h ... | 09:25 |
| Chiku|dc | alot extra devel still block about PR1.2 dependency packages? | 09:25 |
| Gh0sty | but as i said for example i offered a friend developer some money to build me an app | 09:25 |
| Gh0sty | and he did not want it ... :P | 09:25 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: well, if I could choose between making an app and selling it for a dime and some, I'd be happier than just putting the code on gitorious | 09:25 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: One thing you find out pretty soon is that $5-a-copy is the very bottom you can charge | 09:25 |
| Gh0sty | but he first gotta go buy a phone cause he wants one too (he played with mine half an hour) | 09:25 |
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| Gh0sty | they should put up explicit warnings: | 09:26 |
| *** Gh0sty was kicked by crashanddie (for fuck's sake stop repeating the same thing over and over) | 09:26 | |
| RST38h | crashanddie: well, making it free is of course a whole different deal | 09:26 |
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| Gh0sty | ? | 09:26 |
| Gh0sty | what did i do? | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: you have been saying that for a bloody week, shut the fuck up. | 09:26 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: but as long as selling is concerned, those $1 apps at the AppStore are hardly making their authors anything at all | 09:26 |
| Gh0sty | a bloody week? only yesterday ... | 09:27 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: well, they just need to sell a hundred times to pay the SDK back | 09:27 |
| Chiku|dc | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624772 PR1.2 for next week ? | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Gh0sty: You talk too much. And most of the stuff you say has been said here for at least a dozen times. | 09:27 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: that too | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: however, the SDK is worth the $100 imo | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Probably is, but then there is also the publishing agreement. | 09:32 |
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| Gh0sty | shees people just sent a notice to crashanddie that i'm serious ... | 09:39 |
| Gh0sty | and yes i talk a lot ... but i already explained why ... | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: that's all nice and well, just stop saying the exact same sentence every bloody 20 minutes | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | seriously, just today you've said it two or 3 times | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | maybe more, didn't read up | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | and a dozen times is not the case, i'm only here for couple of hours in the early morning | 09:40 |
| crashanddie | anyway, take your senility medicine | 09:41 |
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| Ken-Young | Gh0sty, Have you looked at cofundos.org ? | 09:43 |
| Gh0sty | i'll just shut it cause there is no arguing on a serious level with you guys ... | 09:43 |
| Gh0sty | there are several similar things like that Ken-Young, but did not know about that specific one. | 09:44 |
| Ken-Young | Gh0sty, THere were a few projects done for Openmoko phones that way. It worked, albeit slowly. | 09:45 |
| Gh0sty | well i think it would be better if there was something specific for maemo like that | 09:46 |
| Gh0sty | because if people don't know about it ... they'll have to stumble on such a project being setup :) | 09:46 |
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| Ken-Young | Gh0sty, They wouldn't have to stumble across it. You could post a message about it on t.m.o. | 09:48 |
| Gh0sty | true | 09:50 |
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| Ken-Young | Gh0sty, for the Openmoko projects, the rewards grew to a few hundred euros on some projects. | 09:51 |
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| Gh0sty | Ken-Young: hm nice, but ofcourse for openmoko the community was probably not so large (considering only devs bought the device i guess) | 09:52 |
| Gh0sty | does openmoko acta= | 09:52 |
| Gh0sty | does openmoko actually run on n900? :) | 09:52 |
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| Ken-Young | Gh0sty, No, the Openmoko stack has not been ported to the N900. You're right that the Openmoko community was smaller. So you might be able to get bigger prizes set aside for maemo projects. | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | why on earth would anyone run openmoko software on n900 | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:04 |
| Ken-Young | Stskeeps, Some people *really* don't want any closed source components. | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know that | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | but openmoko of all things? :P | 10:08 |
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| Ken-Young | Stskeeps, Say what you will about Openmoko, but I don't know of any other phone that was released with not one piece of proprietary software running on the ARM core. | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | Ken-Young: i am not talking about the hardware support or licensing. i'm talking about the horrid UI. | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | which made me want to throw out my freerunner as it seemed like it was designed by engineers who decided to move back in their mothers basement | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:10 |
| Ken-Young | Stskeeps, No argument there. The machine was really underpowered, and could not run a slick UI. | 10:10 |
| Ken-Young | I don't think the engineers can be blamed though. | 10:11 |
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| Ken-Young | The whole thing had to be done on the cheap, with obsolete components. | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | sure it could, which is the sad part :P | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | freerunner os state is a prime example of why things like meego are good, don't make a OS specifically for your device, people fork in so many different directions nothing actually ends up working | 10:13 |
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| Ken-Young | Stskeeps, Yes, it was distressing to see how many distributions popped up for the Freerunner. | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | on the other hand, it did hopefully inspire people to do things the right way by providing a bad example | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:15 |
| Ken-Young | People got all excited about Android being ported to it, as if having the worst Android device in the world was cause for celebration. | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | it's a bit sad, admittedly | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | otoh, time to market for a open phone should diminish with meego | 10:16 |
| Ken-Young | Yes, both the company and the community failed, in different ways. | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | ie, fully open core system + a hardware adaptation + blobs if you have any | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:16 |
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| Ken-Young | Stskeeps, The blobs are a real issue, though. When the manufacturer loses interest in your device, you become frozen in time. | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you ever saw my vendor social contract proposal, i did think of those things :P | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | did you ever get any reaction to that? | 10:19 |
| crashanddie | From anyone who works for <vendor>? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: there was some but not from official hand, but do remark that nokia's providing a vendor hardware repository for instance | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | but consumer policies are not really meego's goal | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | but, i think that it is difficult to lock down something like meego :P | 10:23 |
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| ptl | back | 11:09 |
| frals | this gotta be some kind of record, 9hrs since i posted new fmms version and not a single bug reported yet \o/ | 11:11 |
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| Stskeeps | their devices exploded in their faces, obviously | 11:12 |
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| mavhc | maybe the download server is broken | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | or that he forgot to upload it | 11:14 |
| mavhc | or the post didn't send | 11:14 |
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| trumee | anybody uses kde? | 11:28 |
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| rm_you | my lack of presence here in the last few months is depressing me | 11:32 |
| rm_you | I need to do less idling and more hacking :P | 11:32 |
| rm_you | i'll put that on my to-do list | 11:33 |
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| * rm_you goes to bed | 11:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | Sleep is for the weak! | 11:34 |
| Ken-Young | Sleep is for the weekend. | 11:34 |
| rm_you | Which it is currently! :P | 11:34 |
| rm_you | Hooray! | 11:34 |
| trumee | weird, all gnomeis here! | 11:34 |
| trumee | oh, yeah some winblows users as well. always forget about them | 11:35 |
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| trumee | ok end of trolling. anybody knows how can i sync contacts on N900 | 11:36 |
| vanadismobile | on windows, linux or mac? | 11:38 |
| Ken-Young | trumee, You can sync with some cloud services (like google), using the "Mail for Exchange" dialog under settings. Otherwise, you can write out a comma separated list format file, and import it into contacts. | 11:39 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: ideally i want to use syncml (using opensync) to sync against my computer. However, syncml opensync doesnt seem to work. I dont want to store data on the cloud. Is it possible to export contacts from N900 as a csv file? | 11:40 |
| trumee | vanadismobile: on linux. | 11:41 |
| Ken-Young | trumee, Yes, I have done that successfully. | 11:41 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: using opensync? | 11:41 |
| vanadismobile | trumee, dunno, windows here | 11:41 |
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| Ken-Young | trumee, THe way I did it was to scp the file only the N900, and use the contacts app to import it. | 11:42 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: i want the other way round. Export contacts from N900 as a vcf file/ | 11:42 |
| Ken-Young | trumee, Oh, sorry - that I have not done. | 11:43 |
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| trumee | Ken-Young: All the contacts on my N900 are the latest ones. and i want to import them on my desktop | 11:43 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: what is this synce-evolution thing, any idea? | 11:43 |
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| Ken-Young | trumee, Nope, I'm afraid I know nothing about that. | 11:44 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: i am afraid the day my N900 dies, i will loose all the contacts. | 11:44 |
| Ken-Young | trumee, You *can* have them automatically sync with a gmail account, which will provide backup. | 11:45 |
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| trumee | Ken-Young: Problem with gmail is that, i am not sure whether all the fields of N900 will be transferreed to gmail. | 11:45 |
| trumee | Ken-Young: N900 has extra fields like sip address, notes etc. will those get transferred to gmail? | 11:46 |
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| trumee | Ken-Young: i dont want to loose any information in the addressbook, so dont like the cloud sync. | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | meh | 11:47 |
| trumee | crashanddie: is that funny? | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | trumee: not talking about that | 11:48 |
| trumee | crashanddie: cool :) | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | New law "forces Alabama law enforcement to demand identification from suspected illegal aliens" | 11:48 |
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| trumee | opensync is almost a dead project. There is no sync solution left! | 11:49 |
| trumee | anybody knows what this synce-evolution is all about? | 11:49 |
| trumee | or how reliable are cloud services to sync nokia fields. | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | trumee: also, "meh" doesn't provide any conotations of humour or laughter ;) | 11:50 |
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| Ken-Young | crashanddie, I thought "meh" denoted indifference. | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 11:51 |
| crashanddie | or indignation | 11:51 |
| dubzii | or the sound of a sheep | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | no, that's baah | 11:53 |
| trumee | so nobody syncs their N900 here? | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, I don't. | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I have 4 phone numbers listed, and have recieved 1 call. | 11:54 |
| dubzii | i do, with google ;) | 11:54 |
| SpeedEvil | (since I got it 6 mo ago.) | 11:55 |
| Ken-Young | I do it with google too, and rsync. | 11:55 |
| trumee | dubzii: are all the N900 fields kept intact on google? | 11:55 |
| parim1 | Ken-Young: i lost a lot of meta data while syncing to google | 11:55 |
| ccooke | trumee: ... well, I rsync it. Does that count? :-) | 11:55 |
| trumee | parim1: there you go, i knew shit would happen when syncing with google | 11:56 |
| dubzii | trumee i havent checked, dont use them all | 11:56 |
| Ken-Young | parim1, I pulled contacts, calendar etc off an android phone, so I know the metadata I care about is kept by gmail. | 11:56 |
| trumee | ccooke: maybe rsync is the way to go then. But it is only one way sync i guess Desktop > N900 | 11:56 |
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| dubzii | ken-young, me too, came from iphone | 11:57 |
| trumee | N95 was way much better. The sync worked perfect on it. | 11:58 |
| Ken-Young | Yeah - but the N95 won't run "The Gimp"! | 12:00 |
| trumee | aha! there is export contacts thing in contact application | 12:00 |
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| ccooke | trumee: I tend to sync n900 -> backup, with calendar sync (currently) manual via ermining | 12:01 |
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| trumee | ccooke: what is ermining? | 12:01 |
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| trumee | ccooke: i want to sync only the contacts. can ermining do that? | 12:02 |
| ccooke | trumee: a typo. Try erminig :-) | 12:02 |
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| ccooke | don't think so. | 12:02 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: Covering with ermine - the fur from the weasel. | 12:02 |
| trumee | ccooke: ah, it is google syncer. nope dont want that. | 12:03 |
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| trumee | atleast the contact apps can produce vcf files. that is a good start | 12:03 |
| ccooke | trumee: what do you want to achieve? | 12:03 |
| trumee | i can atleast import vcf files into desktop | 12:03 |
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| trumee | ccooke: ideally i want to sync between computer (kde kontact) and N900 via syncml using opensync | 12:04 |
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| trumee | ccooke: syncml works perfectly in N95, but Nokia broke something in Maemo5 | 12:04 |
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| trumee | ccooke: and i dislike putting my sensitive contact information on the cloud. Happy to run a local funambol server if that is needed | 12:06 |
| trumee | ccooke: does that make sense to you? | 12:07 |
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| lbt | trumee: I'm with you 100% You want syncevolution | 12:08 |
| trumee | lbt, nice. how does that work? | 12:08 |
| lbt | I want to use it with egroupware but that's not there yet | 12:08 |
| lbt | syncevolution is a backend/cli sync tool. There's a gui for the n900 too | 12:09 |
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| trumee | lbt: do i need to run a funambol server here? or can i simply use a syncml client to query N900? | 12:10 |
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| lbt | I'm not up on the internals of it I'm afraid | 12:10 |
| lbt | I don't know if the n900 will be a syncml server using se | 12:11 |
| lbt | I think not | 12:11 |
| lbt | my plan is a local egroupware or tine20 server | 12:11 |
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| lbt | similar to funambol | 12:11 |
| ccooke | lbt: how stable is syncevolution atm? LAst time I tried it, it wasn't usable | 12:11 |
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| trumee | hmm, so N900 will be a syncml client only. So i deifinitely need a funambol server? | 12:11 |
| lbt | ccooke: rapid development | 12:12 |
| ccooke | lbt: that's good | 12:12 |
| ccooke | trumee: (sorry, distracted) yes, that did make sense. | 12:12 |
| lbt | look, someone has kindly condensed this issue down to loads of random chat spread over multiple contradictory forum pages... as usual http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40278 | 12:13 |
| lbt | goddam idiots won't summarise to a wiki | 12:13 |
| ccooke | lbt: that would be *useful* | 12:14 |
| lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync | 12:14 |
| ccooke | we couldn't have that! | 12:14 |
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| trumee | wiki says "Syncing with a Linux Desktop, You also can use syncevolution", but that is not a direct sync i guess. i definitely need to set up a funambol server. | 12:16 |
| trumee | lbt, are all the Nokia special fields transferred to funambol (there is no loss of meta-data)? | 12:17 |
| lbt | trumee: looks like you can add something valuable to the wiki when you find out:) | 12:18 |
| lbt | http://syncevolution.org/blogs/pohly/2010/syncevolution-10beta3-released | 12:19 |
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| trumee | lbt: :), what pisses me off is why syncml server in N900 is broken. | 12:19 |
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| lbt | they are looking for bugs ... if we can get stuff to them there's a good chance they'll be receptive right now | 12:19 |
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| trumee | lbt, ccooke:filed a bug for non-working opensync https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023 | 12:59 |
| povbot | Bug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N900 | 12:59 |
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| crashanddie | Woman, beaming "It came in my mouth so gently, it was delicious" | 13:23 |
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| awilkins | I'm having trouble flashing the eMMC ; anyone who knows what they are doing to tell me where I'm going wrong? | 13:25 |
| frals | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7105/hornoxecompicdump151184.jpg hehe | 13:25 |
| awilkins | I'm following the procedure and not booting the phone between flashing the firmware and the eMMC image ; the flasher gets to "booting device into flash mode", the phone reboots, the progress dots show, then they stop "dotting" and it just sits there | 13:26 |
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| awilkins | I wanted to totally revert the phone to factory state because I wanted to see if the problem I'm having is software related ; alternately, does anyone know if the phone caches your SIM information in the home folder anywhere? | 13:28 |
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| crashanddie | I'm so bloody bored | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | it's not even fun anymore | 13:43 |
| xea | try some martial arts | 13:44 |
| xea | that will keep you busy for a while :> | 13:44 |
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| lcukn900 | if i am using xchat whilst it updates will the universe implode? | 13:48 |
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| pupnik | no | 13:49 |
| lcukn900 | cool | 13:49 |
| pupnik | or not necessarily | 13:49 |
| lcukn900 | oh... lol 2mins to test | 13:49 |
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| lcukn900 | hows u pupnik | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | xea: only here for another week | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | xea: pretty hard to start martial arts when traveling | 13:51 |
| Barttech | i gots n900 yesterday \o/ it wins | 13:51 |
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| lcukn900 | congrats! | 13:53 |
| Barttech | hehe thanks | 13:53 |
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| Barttech | had to wait a month for it, but totally worth it | 13:53 |
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| haltdef_ | a month? ouch | 13:54 |
| haltdef_ | I was going crazy waiting 3 days for mine | 13:54 |
| Barttech | yeah i ordered it 4 months before my contract with tmobile expired, but you can apparantly only do that 3 months up front | 13:54 |
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| nocturnal | any swedish/danish users who can tell me how to use the alternative danish characters on the n900 keyboard? | 13:55 |
| Barttech | painful month with a crappy htc | 13:55 |
| nocturnal | they're printed on the key, but i don't know how to use them | 13:55 |
| haltdef_ | which one? | 13:55 |
| * gevaerts had to wait for two months before he found a store where he *could* order one! | 13:55 | |
| Barttech | haha :p well i wanted to get it through contract ofc | 13:56 |
| Barttech | i had a htc touch pro. crappiest phone in existance | 13:56 |
| haltdef_ | mm | 13:56 |
| gevaerts | You mean you *wanted* to wait for a month? ;) | 13:56 |
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| haltdef_ | qualcomm msm72xx :( | 13:56 |
| haltdef_ | painful | 13:56 |
| lcukn900 | nocturnal what color are they? | 13:56 |
| lcukn900 | if blue use the blue arrow | 13:56 |
| nocturnal | White | 13:56 |
| Barttech | hahaha well i had no spare monies to just buy it so it was involuntary | 13:57 |
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| lcukn900 | nocturnal then use shift | 13:57 |
| nocturnal | i have triple characters on two keys | 13:57 |
| nocturnal | one regular, which you make a capital one with shift, one blue and one danish | 13:57 |
| nocturnal | i want to use the danish one | 13:57 |
| Barttech | 3rd is blue tho isnt it? | 13:57 |
| Barttech | ohh | 13:57 |
| nocturnal | yeah but that's ! and ? | 13:57 |
| nocturnal | i also have ö ø ä æ | 13:58 |
| Barttech | no clue lol :P | 13:58 |
| gevaerts | is that danish blue? | 13:58 |
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| nocturnal | no the swedish and danish characters are white, ö and ø on the same key | 13:58 |
| nocturnal | and ä æ on another key | 13:58 |
| Barttech | maybe try shift and blue | 13:58 |
| lcukn900 | mm i dunno then. stskeeps you any idea since your device is potentiaslly .dk | 13:58 |
| Barttech | but srsly i love this phone <3 | 13:59 |
| nocturnal | hmm i guess icould add danish to the on screen keyboard layout | 14:00 |
| Barttech | and this OS :P | 14:00 |
| nocturnal | thanks for your help guys | 14:00 |
| Barttech | gl nocturnal :) | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | doh nocturnal | 14:00 |
| lcukn900 | try sym/ctrl key | 14:01 |
| lcukn900 | ctrl is printed white which is prolly a clue ,) | 14:01 |
| Barttech | haha yeah | 14:02 |
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| * haltdef_ came from windows mobile as well | 14:03 | |
| Barttech | ah, this is much better eh? | 14:03 |
| haltdef_ | xperia x1, pretty much a touch pro with a better screen .. been using the OS since 2003 though :P | 14:03 |
| Barttech | i wanted to smash my htc | 14:03 |
| Barttech | but i can get like 90€ for it so | 14:04 |
| haltdef_ | windows mobile is so close to being everything I want in a phone | 14:04 |
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| haltdef_ | just so sluggish and doens't quite manage it :P | 14:04 |
| Barttech | question is wheter the satisfaction i could get from smashing it is worth more lol | 14:05 |
| TriztN900 | ain't the triple chars there for cutting prise for the nordic market, you will get ö as default if use finnish/swedish, while using danish you get to o with the line | 14:05 |
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| * lcukn900 ponders a new phone | 14:05 | |
| Barttech | touchpro was super slow and buggy, sms was annoying, bluetooth didnt work | 14:06 |
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| haltdef_ | I didn't realize how slow my x1 was until I fired up my n900 :P | 14:06 |
| Barttech | haha yeah | 14:06 |
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| Barttech | had the same feeling | 14:06 |
| haltdef_ | not sure if it's the OS or hardware difference | 14:06 |
| Barttech | from yesterday when i got my phone ive been on it constantly | 14:06 |
| haltdef_ | msm72xx really is shit | 14:07 |
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| Barttech | just installing stuff and playing angrybirds lol xD | 14:07 |
| nocturnal | lcukn900: yeah i know i thought it was a good clue too but it didn't work. i also tried locking fn and sym | 14:07 |
| lcukn900 | bah | 14:07 |
| nocturnal | i think maybe they're printed there for in case you change the system side locale | 14:07 |
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| Barttech | yeah, i had a glofiish m800 before this. now that was awfu. | 14:07 |
| nocturnal | or keyboard layout | 14:07 |
| nocturnal | so i'm better off adding it to the on screen layout | 14:08 |
| nocturnal | because i move between danish and swedish a lot | 14:08 |
| haltdef_ | only issues with the n900 is lack of last.fm, lack of hardware keys under the screen (used to control media player from my pocket) and irritating media player :p | 14:08 |
| lcukn900 | which has better bacon? | 14:08 |
| nocturnal | haltdef_: i think i saw something last.fm related in the dev repository | 14:08 |
| nocturnal | you should check it out if you haven't already | 14:09 |
| haltdef_ | mafw-lastfm? | 14:09 |
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| nocturnal | i honestly don't remember | 14:09 |
| haltdef_ | I have it installed and working, just doesn't seem to cache when offline | 14:09 |
| nocturnal | just saw it briefly | 14:09 |
| nocturnal | aha | 14:09 |
| Barttech | i dont mind the no hardware keys. i have a zen so i dont really use it for music (yet) | 14:09 |
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| haltdef_ | I listen to music at work over bluetooth, can't have cell on *and* scrobbling, not with the stock battery :P | 14:09 |
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| nocturnal | what i found interesting to note was that a certain theme, could have been from the dev repo, slowed down the phone so much that it was almost unusable. the whole gui became unresponsive until i changed to an official theme from ovi store. | 14:10 |
| Barttech | so far its perfect :p | 14:10 |
| Barttech | you have a better battery? | 14:10 |
| haltdef_ | only extended battery is a bit fucked by the look of it | 14:11 |
| Barttech | i mean it survives for like a day for me so its ok | 14:11 |
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| haltdef_ | yea it's just about enough if I'm careful | 14:11 |
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| Barttech | oh? how much was it? and how long does yours last? | 14:11 |
| haltdef_ | GSM only unless i need 3G, always keep the screen brightness down as low as possible | 14:11 |
| haltdef_ | I haven't bought it, just read about it in here :P | 14:12 |
| Barttech | i have 2 classmates with n900's so i knew not to except long battlife | 14:12 |
| Barttech | ahhh | 14:12 |
| haltdef_ | yea me either, I do plan on getting the extended one once everything's sorted though | 14:12 |
| Stskeeps | lcukn900: no .dk keys here, thank god | 14:12 |
| lcukn900 | ahh k | 14:12 |
| Barttech | yeah, but i usually have charger with me and usually am near power so i dont mind it | 14:13 |
| TriztN900 | haltdef_: I bought a proporta 3400, not much larger than the phone, handy when nowhere to recharge | 14:13 |
| lcukn900 | file performance bugs and talk with developers about simplifying their apps and try to emphasise well tuned apps make battery life better | 14:13 |
| haltdef_ | yea dad has something like that, should yoink it | 14:13 |
| Barttech | plus got the usb cable and a netbook in case im not near power lol, just the netbook seems pointless now i have this :P | 14:13 |
| lcukn900 | netbook == external battery for n900 :) | 14:14 |
| Barttech | its like a large usb charger now | 14:14 |
| Barttech | lol indeed! | 14:14 |
| Barttech | and that can charge it like 3 times so :D | 14:15 |
| lcukn900 | im only miffed about my laptop needing to be turned on to use usb | 14:15 |
| Barttech | yeah, thats a shame | 14:15 |
| aquatix | there seem to be some netbooks/laptops now that have an always-powered usb connector | 14:15 |
| lcukn900 | ill get a car battery or simething | 14:15 |
| aquatix | specifically for these things | 14:15 |
| TriztN900 | lcukn900 aint that heavy to carry a netbook as battery? | 14:16 |
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| Barttech | my netbook is only like 1kg | 14:16 |
| Barttech | eee 1201n | 14:16 |
| TriztN900 | think it's too heavy | 14:16 |
| * aquatix was wondering whether there is an updated claws-mail somewhere | 14:16 | |
| awilkins | Bah, Windows sucks donkey-poop milkshakes through a straw. | 14:16 |
| Barttech | n900 has better games and can do what the eee can tho :p | 14:17 |
| squidd | wouldnt fit in to my pocket :( | 14:17 |
| lcukn900 | trizt when travelling properly i need laptop anyway for other things and its a small one. its simpler to use n900 for everything mobile but at airports etc i n,sometimes need a boost | 14:17 |
| awilkins | It doesn't flash the eMMC properly... linux to the rescue | 14:17 |
| Barttech | hehe | 14:17 |
| Barttech | myeah its dualboot | 14:17 |
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| Barttech | win7 and ubuntu | 14:17 |
| Barttech | woot my screenprotector is here | 14:17 |
| awilkins | Barttech, Which type did you go for? | 14:18 |
| Barttech | any tips to apply it? i suck at that | 14:18 |
| Barttech | brando ultraclear | 14:18 |
| lcukn900 | need spray on screenprotectors | 14:18 |
| Barttech | only because it would ship in 1 day | 14:18 |
| lcukn900 | would coat everything | 14:18 |
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| awilkins | Barttech, Run a shower in the bathroom for 5 minutes until it's steamy and put it on in there | 14:18 |
| aquatix | Barttech: don't thinker too much with it, it'll only attract more dust | 14:18 |
| Barttech | idd Icukn900 | 14:19 |
| awilkins | Barttech, That will cause water to nucleate around airborne dust and draw it to the ground | 14:19 |
| lcukn900 | idd? | 14:19 |
| Barttech | ok thanks guys | 14:19 |
| Barttech | indeed sorry, dutch abbrevation lol | 14:19 |
| aquatix | lcukn900: indeed | 14:19 |
| aquatix | Barttech: :) | 14:19 |
| squidd | vwin 3 | 14:19 |
| lcukn900 | young uns! | 14:19 |
| Barttech | im going to try that now! ill be back soon ;) | 14:19 |
| aquatix | lcukn900: short for 'inderdaad' | 14:20 |
| lcukn900 | you have a qwerty keyboard on n900 use it | 14:20 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:20 |
| aquatix | but that word is all over the keyboard | 14:20 |
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| Barttech | shower is running | 14:20 |
| lcukn900 | gan900 must have super thumbs | 14:20 |
| awilkins | Damn damn damn damn damn damn | 14:21 |
| awilkins | Ah well, I admit defeatt | 14:21 |
| lcukn900 | ? | 14:21 |
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| awilkins | I've been getting "SIM card registration failed" | 14:21 |
| awilkins | But I've looked through the phone logs and everything trying to diagnose it and it's reading the SIM fine | 14:21 |
| frals | hmm, i wonder if i should pack both my n900s or just grab the battery from the 2nd one | 14:22 |
| awilkins | So not a hardware problem (in theory) | 14:22 |
| TriztN900 | lcukn900: sure there can be times when something bigger than n900, sometimes I wish it could have had more buttons on the keyboard as missing some characters like pipe on the buttons | 14:22 |
| lcukn900 | both | 14:22 |
| lcukn900 | yeah | 14:22 |
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| awilkins | TriztN900, Yes, pipe is the char I miss the most | 14:22 |
| Barttech | hmmm | 14:22 |
| Barttech | this screenprotector has only 1 hole, tho ive seen some that have more | 14:23 |
| awilkins | When I found out it was on the virtual kb I exclaimed "surely not, this is a linux phone!" | 14:23 |
| lcukn900 | fr*ls take both and use second as a posh batterychargwe | 14:23 |
| lcukn900 | frals | 14:23 |
| frals | good point | 14:23 |
| frals | i like how you censored the a ;) | 14:23 |
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| Barttech | it will cover the frontcam and such, will that be an issue? | 14:23 |
| lcukn900 | lol lazy typo | 14:23 |
| gevaerts | Barttech: it can't really make the front camera image worse | 14:23 |
| awilkins | Barttech, It might interfere with the brightness and proximity sensors | 14:23 |
| Barttech | oh right | 14:24 |
| awilkins | Barttech, I've not even USED the frontcam | 14:24 |
| Barttech | but im sure they considered that | 14:24 |
| Barttech | yeah im sure i wont haha | 14:24 |
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| Barttech | but the proximity sensor hmm | 14:24 |
| awilkins | Barttech, the protector I have has cutouts for them.. and the LED | 14:24 |
| Barttech | yeah | 14:24 |
| Barttech | well i can take it off it says so ill try it | 14:24 |
| Barttech | and | 14:24 |
| Barttech | its very thin anyway | 14:25 |
| awilkins | I'm quite pleased with it, it looked like ass the first day but as it's dried out the microbubbles are all gone and the finish is a lot nicers | 14:25 |
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| TriztN900 | awilkins pippe and {} had been more useful on the kbd than €£ | 14:25 |
| awilkins | TriztN900, Indeed, what do they think we are, accountants? | 14:26 |
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| TriztN900 | windroids | 14:26 |
| N900evil | TriztN900: you can alter tje keym aps | 14:26 |
| N900evil | Thouth I hacenMt | 14:26 |
| awilkins | Bah, still "SIM card registration failed" after a full bleach-clean OS install + eMMC wipe | 14:26 |
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| N900evil | havent't | 14:26 |
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| lcukn900 | awilkins try different sim out of interest | 14:27 |
| awilkins | It can't be hardware problem, the SIM worked in it last week. Maybe they barred my IMEI and aren't admitting it | 14:27 |
| frals | awilkins: flashing latest firmware right? | 14:27 |
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| lcukn900 | and failing that it sounds borked? | 14:27 |
| awilkins | frals, No, I flashed the official vodafone firmware it already had | 14:27 |
| awilkins | frals, It's going back to the vodafarm in a bubble pack, so don't want to around their ire | 14:28 |
| frals | should be recent enough, 51-1 flashed the cell modem afaik and if you flashed to a previous version it wouldnt work with a sim card (iirc) | 14:28 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, Other SIM doesn't work and this SIM works perfectly in my old RAZR | 14:28 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, And it also worked in this unit for at least a week | 14:28 |
| lcukn900 | yeah | 14:28 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, The syslogs have the serial number in them so the hardware must be reading it OK | 14:29 |
| awilkins | The SIM serial number, that is | 14:29 |
| lcukn900 | was the reflash total scratch? ie you didnt restore after? | 14:30 |
| lcukn900 | cos you did emmc i think i knpw answer | 14:30 |
| lcukn900 | know | 14:30 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, Total 100% flash and no restored backups, it even went into the "Getting started" app for the second time ever | 14:31 |
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| awilkins | I can't see why they should bar the IMEI but it's the only explanation remaining to me... I bought the phone from them, and have only ever used it on their networks | 14:32 |
| lcukn900 | ok take it to store | 14:32 |
| lcukn900 | speak they can play with sims? | 14:32 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, Yes, there's a "repair return" pack waiting for it to go into | 14:33 |
| awilkins | lcukn900, It will have to wait until monday to go special delivery from the PO | 14:33 |
| Barttech | woohoooo | 14:33 |
| Barttech | its attached | 14:33 |
| Barttech | no bubbles | 14:33 |
| Barttech | no dust | 14:33 |
| Barttech | proximity sensor still works | 14:33 |
| Barttech | thanks for the bathroom tip there | 14:34 |
| awilkins | Barttech, I wish I'd used it on the first one I tried ... dropped it on a printout and utterly destroyed it | 14:34 |
| Barttech | ouch! | 14:34 |
| lcukn900 | bartech i would probably have same experience. then realise i attahed it to the cat or something | 14:34 |
| awilkins | Barttech, But it stood up so well to the abuse I subjected it to in anger, that I bought another of the same type | 14:34 |
| awilkins | This sucker wouldn't even puncture with full-on-biting-canine-teeth | 14:35 |
| Barttech | ive also ordered a kind of rubber thing for the sides which wa s like 2€ | 14:35 |
| Barttech | hahaha the cat :p | 14:35 |
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| Barttech | my n900 looks significantly different from my cat ;) | 14:36 |
| awilkins | !mrowlt! | 14:36 |
| lcukn900 | i just sent half a sms msg because i dropped phone and caught it by the send button | 14:36 |
| awilkins | Better than not catching it | 14:37 |
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| lcukn900 | was heading for my face, so yeah | 14:37 |
| * Trizt should be eating | 14:37 | |
| Barttech | lol! | 14:37 |
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| lcukn900 | wheres most extreme place n900 will work? | 14:38 |
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| lcukn900 | can you take mobiles to ISS? | 14:39 |
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| Trizt | sure you can, but you won't have much of mobile carrier connection up there | 14:39 |
| lcukn900 | will n900fly work in orbit | 14:40 |
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| gevaerts | it will "work", yes :) | 14:40 |
| lcukn900 | liqflow will be funky | 14:40 |
| gevaerts | Actually, at least it will be more or less safe to use there :) | 14:40 |
| lcukn900 | doesnt all hardware have to be confirmed space safe | 14:41 |
| aquatix | they take laptops too | 14:41 |
| aquatix | but those have a lesser life span because of the radiation | 14:41 |
| aquatix | so an n900 will work too | 14:41 |
| aquatix | for a while :) | 14:41 |
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| aquatix | lousy gsm coverage though | 14:42 |
| lcukn900 | good gps lock tho | 14:42 |
| aquatix | might freak out the n900 though | 14:43 |
| lcukn900 | you could use wifi AP | 14:43 |
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| aquatix | 'wtf, *that* high?!' | 14:43 |
| lcukn900 | lol | 14:43 |
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| Barttech | im sure they have wifi in iss ;) | 14:43 |
| lcukn900 | winot? | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The GPS will not get a lock | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless nokia is violating ITAR and related stuff. | 14:44 |
| Barttech | how else will they survive? you need either 3g or wifi. its like oxygen :p | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | All consumer GPSs drop out at >60000ft and >1000kt | 14:44 |
| SpeedEvil | (some drop out at or - which is a bug) | 14:44 |
| lcukn900 | speed? rly | 14:44 |
| gevaerts | You don't actually need GPS though. I'm sure they can derive their position straight from the clock | 14:44 |
| lcukn900 | i thought it would still work | 14:44 |
| Barttech | also they prob dont need much navigating up there | 14:45 |
| Barttech | :p | 14:45 |
| aquatix | Barttech: they got extensive training to be able to go without that for long times though | 14:45 |
| Barttech | respect, if i dont have internet for a few days i become very, very ill | 14:45 |
| lcukn900 | they install a massive stars screensaver | 14:45 |
| Barttech | lol | 14:46 |
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| gevaerts | lcukn900: on one screen. The other screen has a spinning earth screensaver | 14:46 |
| aquatix | ghehe | 14:46 |
| lcukn900 | nice | 14:46 |
| Barttech | i mean no sex for a year, ok, but no internet? impossible | 14:46 |
| lcukn900 | for you maybe | 14:47 |
| * aquatix needs both | 14:47 | |
| Barttech | well if you had to choose one | 14:47 |
| Barttech | sex or internet | 14:47 |
| aquatix | hm | 14:47 |
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| Barttech | for a full year.. which would youmpick? | 14:47 |
| Barttech | for me it would depend on the quantity of sex and speed of internet | 14:48 |
| aquatix | depends on my location | 14:48 |
| lcukn900 | and internet eccludes porn and you have hand tied behind back. | 14:48 |
| aquatix | lcukn900: :) | 14:48 |
| Barttech | indeed, yes! | 14:48 |
| lcukn900 | just to balance the argument | 14:48 |
| Barttech | no porn :P | 14:48 |
| aquatix | then no internet | 14:48 |
| lcukn900 | haha | 14:48 |
| Barttech | but if youre getting sex once a week only? | 14:49 |
| Barttech | then id pick internet | 14:49 |
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| aquatix | as said, depends on where we are | 14:49 |
| Barttech | indeed :P | 14:49 |
| aquatix | maybe we're travelling around the world or something | 14:49 |
| Barttech | true | 14:49 |
| aquatix | i'll get serious withdrawal though | 14:50 |
| lcukn900 | i need to do some hacking later | 14:50 |
| Barttech | yeah me too | 14:50 |
| lcukn900 | im making a widger to show distance from active volcano | 14:50 |
| lcukn900 | widget | 14:50 |
| aquatix | hell, i even jumped on internet when i found an open wifi spot in namibia | 14:50 |
| Barttech | haha cool | 14:50 |
| aquatix | lcukn900: lol | 14:51 |
| Barttech | lol! | 14:51 |
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| Barttech | id do that too lol | 14:51 |
| Termana | "shit, theres a volcano thats erupting right in front of us - if I hadn't seen this widget on my n900, we would of been screwed" | 14:51 |
| Barttech | my gf wont let me bring my netbook anywhere | 14:51 |
| Barttech | but, a phone.. thats a must | 14:51 |
| aquatix | indeed | 14:51 |
| gevaerts | http://xkcd.com/723/ | 14:52 |
| * aquatix wouldn't want to carry his laptop around on vacation | 14:52 | |
| Dassu | Barttech wat? | 14:52 |
| Barttech | well true | 14:52 |
| Dassu | No netboob? | 14:52 |
| Dassu | HAve you tried to reason with her? | 14:52 |
| aquatix | Dassu: only stand-alones | 14:52 |
| Barttech | i mean to like vacations hahaha | 14:52 |
| Dassu | Barttech: But still :( No netbook. | 14:52 |
| Barttech | true | 14:52 |
| aquatix | (paired, that is) | 14:52 |
| Barttech | she cant be reasoned with ;) | 14:52 |
| Termana | This is why I don't have a girlfriend | 14:53 |
| Termana | :P lol | 14:53 |
| Barttech | its a woman, they seem allergic to small technology | 14:53 |
| aquatix | well | 14:54 |
| aquatix | mine has an n900 | 14:54 |
| aquatix | and a netbook | 14:54 |
| Barttech | really? she must be awesome | 14:54 |
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| aquatix | so i'm kinda good | 14:54 |
| aquatix | Barttech: of course :P | 14:54 |
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| Barttech | lucky guy | 14:54 |
| aquatix | hey, the moment she bought an n900, i proposed ;) | 14:55 |
| Barttech | hahaha :D | 14:55 |
| Barttech | really? :p | 14:55 |
| aquatix | (actually, that was before, but hey) | 14:55 |
| Barttech | ah! she said yes? | 14:55 |
| aquatix | thank the Light :) | 14:55 |
| Barttech | congrats then :D | 14:55 |
| aquatix | ghehe, thanks :) | 14:55 |
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| Barttech | how long have you been together? | 14:56 |
| aquatix | almost 12 years now | 14:56 |
| Barttech | oh wow, nice | 14:57 |
| aquatix | highschool sweethearts | 14:57 |
| Barttech | cool! | 14:57 |
| aquatix | kinda scary really ;) | 14:57 |
| Barttech | naa its cool | 14:57 |
| * aquatix agrees | 14:57 | |
| Barttech | ive been with my gf 2 years now | 14:57 |
| Barttech | shes pretty cool | 14:58 |
| aquatix | great :) | 14:58 |
| Barttech | but im a total gadget freak and she doesnt like that lol | 14:58 |
| Barttech | what do you do btw? work, i mean | 14:59 |
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| aquatix | IT | 14:59 |
| aquatix | system stuff for the navy | 14:59 |
| aquatix | Barttech: you? :) | 15:00 |
| Barttech | cool! | 15:00 |
| Barttech | student atm | 15:01 |
| Barttech | studying software development | 15:01 |
| aquatix | amsterdam? | 15:02 |
| frals | wow, was pretty easy to get a "donate via paypal" button generated | 15:03 |
| Barttech | yeah :D | 15:03 |
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| Barttech | well, Delft | 15:03 |
| aquatix | Barttech: been there ;) | 15:03 |
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| aquatix | ah | 15:03 |
| aquatix | that's no amsterdam :P | 15:03 |
| Barttech | cool! | 15:03 |
| Barttech | well, close enough ;) | 15:04 |
| * aquatix really needs to wrap up his study at the VU | 15:04 | |
| Barttech | what did you study there specifically? | 15:04 |
| lcuk | beer strength and its effect on human subjects | 15:04 |
| aquatix | lcuk: that's my master indeed | 15:05 |
| Trizt | Delft... not been there but had a server there | 15:05 |
| aquatix | Trizt: :) | 15:05 |
| aquatix | Barttech: computer science; internet & web technology | 15:05 |
| aquatix | (distributed systems, parallel programming, the works) | 15:05 |
| aquatix | have some colleages from TU Delft btw | 15:06 |
| Barttech | hehe | 15:06 |
| Barttech | nice | 15:06 |
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| Barttech | delft is pretty cool | 15:06 |
| lcuk | aquatix, what languages were you using for parallel programming | 15:06 |
| lcuk | and were you using ondie cores for the parallel systems or the distributed computing elements? | 15:07 |
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| Barttech | hmmm | 15:08 |
| Barttech | if i try to disable callforwarding and click save (in settings and then phone) it doesnt work | 15:09 |
| Barttech | if i go back to look its enabled again | 15:09 |
| aquatix | lcuk: C and java | 15:09 |
| aquatix | and both dual-core and multisystem | 15:10 |
| Trizt | Barttech; switch to another provider, then maybe if you are lucky | 15:10 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:10 |
| Barttech | oh right. i thought it was my old mobile number but its tmobiles voicemail | 15:10 |
| Barttech | bahh lol | 15:10 |
| aquatix | gheh | 15:11 |
| Barttech | ohwell its disabled anyway | 15:11 |
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| * Trizt wonders why canal+ has to dub anime | 15:12 | |
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| aquatix | eek | 15:12 |
| aquatix | just subtitle it... | 15:12 |
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| Barttech | i dont see why they dub anything :p | 15:12 |
| summel | \o/ now i can do my own ujnboxing video | 15:12 |
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| Trizt | aquatix; I agree | 15:12 |
| lcuk | summel :D you got n900? | 15:13 |
| summel | just picked it up at the packstation :) | 15:13 |
| Barttech | woot cong | 15:13 |
| summel | and my 32 gB Micros SDHC card ^^ | 15:13 |
| aquatix | Barttech: funniest is when watching Air Crash Investigation or similar about something Dutch, which is dubbed in english and I can barely make out what the guy is saying | 15:13 |
| Barttech | congrats* | 15:13 |
| Barttech | ahhaha yeah | 15:13 |
| aquatix | summel: whoa | 15:13 |
| aquatix | 32GB is out | 15:13 |
| aquatix | ? | 15:13 |
| summel | err | 15:13 |
| summel | 16 GB | 15:13 |
| Barttech | they dub, they sub back to dutch rofl | 15:14 |
| * aquatix crawls from under his stone | 15:14 | |
| aquatix | ah | 15:14 |
| summel | because 32 costs still way above 100 € | 15:14 |
| aquatix | ah yes | 15:14 |
| summel | but they are "out" | 15:14 |
| * aquatix remembers now | 15:14 | |
| aquatix | and i remember the price ;) | 15:14 |
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| Barttech | i just have 4gb xD | 15:14 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if there are SD->SATA adaptors | 15:14 | |
| * aquatix has 16GB | 15:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | (yes, that way round) | 15:14 |
| Trizt | I haven an 8& thought the 16 far too much | 15:14 |
| aquatix | SpeedEvil: sd-card->sata? | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | aquatix: plug a SD card with a lead on it to a SATA drive | 15:15 |
| aquatix | i think that exists | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I wonder how fast it would be | 15:15 |
| Barttech | 32+4 is fine for me :p | 15:15 |
| Barttech | hardly using the storage so far | 15:15 |
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| aquatix | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22597 | 15:15 |
| aquatix | like that? | 15:15 |
| Trizt | Barttech; good place to place backups IMHO | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | aquatix: no - the other way round | 15:15 |
| aquatix | oh | 15:16 |
| aquatix | sata to sd | 15:16 |
| aquatix | so you can have a ginourmous sd 'card' :) | 15:16 |
| Barttech | true! | 15:16 |
| aquatix | problem is, sdhc goes to 32GB | 15:16 |
| Barttech | i have a 30mbps 4gb sdcard in my netbook lol | 15:17 |
| Barttech | super expensive for 4gb | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | aquatix: SDXC is just another bitfield tweak as I understand it. (with another shitty fs) | 15:17 |
| aquatix | yeah | 15:18 |
| * aquatix likes the CF design a lot better | 15:18 | |
| summel | :o | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | CF sucks in several ways | 15:18 |
| summel | *hums the nokia melody* | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | primarily, the connector is horribly fragile. | 15:18 |
| aquatix | true | 15:18 |
| aquatix | it's kinda big for a phone too ;) | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Secondly - it's - comparatively - huge. | 15:19 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks it was a big mistake to a) use _micro_SD slot and b) to make it inaccessible without removing back cover | 15:19 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I think it should have supported a stack of 8 microSD. | 15:19 |
| aquatix | Arkenoi: it's quite the default with phones nowadays | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenoi, drill a hole | 15:19 |
| Barttech | the sd slot seemed a bit fragile | 15:19 |
| frals | microSD is pretty much standard in cellphones these days isnt it? | 15:19 |
| Barttech | it is yeah | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | afaik yes | 15:20 |
| jaska | finding miniSD for the n810 was harder than getting a microSD and adapter :| | 15:20 |
| aquatix | yep | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Is 32G SD cheaper than uSD? | 15:20 |
| aquatix | minisd goes up to 4GB i think; after that they stopped making them | 15:20 |
| aquatix | SpeedEvil: i think so | 15:20 |
| aquatix | it's bigger :) | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: 32GB is cheaper than 16GB uSD IIRC | 15:21 |
| Corsac | Arkenoi: at least you don't have to remove the battery | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | aquatix: every miniSD has been stopped, their price will gradually increase as stocks dry up | 15:21 |
| aquatix | i got some minisd-microsd converters from dealextreme | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: until someone starts cashing in on teh market by gluing microSD into mini adaptors. | 15:21 |
| Barttech | anyway folks nice talking to ya, be back later! bye! :) | 15:22 |
| Arkenoi | aquatix: being "default" does not make it any better :-/ | 15:22 |
| aquatix | Arkenoi: true | 15:22 |
| Barttech | ohoh | 15:22 |
| aquatix | Barttech: ciao | 15:22 |
| Barttech | same as microusb | 15:22 |
| aquatix | well, microusb is kinda nice | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: sure... Also, CF had several advatanges over SD some time ago... Those advatanges are being washed out slowly | 15:22 |
| Arkenoi | i have only one device for which use of microSD looks justified | 15:22 |
| aquatix | as it doesn't wear out the connector in the device that much | 15:22 |
| Barttech | id have preferred miniusb, have like 5 miniusb charges and cables | 15:22 |
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| jaska | you could probably fit about a terabyte in cf tho.. looking at 32 gig microsd :) | 15:22 |
| Barttech | well true | 15:22 |
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| Barttech | anyway bye folks :D | 15:23 |
| aquatix | Barttech: ciao | 15:23 |
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| Arkenoi | and even that one could have full-size SD slot and still be handy enough | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I want USB in a 3.5mm socket | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | a quad-ring one | 15:23 |
| Arkenoi | and that device is wrist watch | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | I have a smart uSD :) | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to control satelites? | 15:25 |
| pupnik | i have an idea for a new app(let) | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: It counts the number of girls and cups in a photo? | 15:26 |
| pupnik | good idea | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nope, but it does NFC and has an integrated cryptoprocessor ;) | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | smart enuff | 15:26 |
| jaska | nfc sd flash card? so people can loot the contents without touching?:) | 15:26 |
| pupnik | well is there anything that will let me map my wifi reception? | 15:27 |
| pupnik | say i have an access point and it isnt getting everywhere | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I've got a stupid script that I've misplaced | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: basically - install gps-tracker-widget | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: set it recording. Take a while loop to parse /proc/net/wireless - well - to cat it every second. | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | jaska: nha, more like: I wrote a C app that emulates my BAC smartcard protocol, so I can enter the office with my phone ;) | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: A cheesy script to correlate, and plot via colour with gnuplot | 15:28 |
| jaska | o.O | 15:28 |
| pupnik | nice SpeedEvil | 15:28 |
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| * pupnik goes into crazy idea mode | 15:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: there is also an app - wififinder - that will beep if it finds a connection. | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: or wander around watching streaming porn. | 15:30 |
| pupnik | kismet works on n900? i forgot | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | there is aircrack-ng | 15:30 |
| pupnik | yeah we need to do the cuptracker app | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | but that's not quite teh same thing | 15:30 |
| pupnik | good enough. anything that can promiscuously scan and log | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | oh god... flash used for hyperlinks to ensure people stay on the website for a minimum amount of time | 15:31 |
| pupnik | now about NN-recognition | 15:31 |
| pupnik | haahahahahhah | 15:32 |
| pupnik | more or less annoying than an advertisement between the forward | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | more | 15:33 |
| pupnik | agree | 15:33 |
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| crashanddie | because if you don't have flash, you can't even browse anymore... | 15:33 |
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| summel | MohammadAG: the sdk works on another laptop :) | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a simpe way to turn the GPS on? | 15:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to be able to turn it on and off from shell - ideally | 15:36 |
| crashanddie | On the n810 you needed something that would poll it every x seconds to prevent it from shutting down | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I need to send a broadcast dbus message - but I'm unsure | 15:37 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, noobmonk3y does it from pyqt - not sure how but you could check his src | 15:37 |
| lcuk | and jebba mightv put something in his wiki | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | I had this script that basically broadcast the GPS data on a wifi network, but don't know if the same would work on n900 | 15:37 |
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| pupnik | doesnt really matter. i find the places just by disconnects | 15:40 |
| pupnik | oh. a wifi SIGNAL STRENGTH would e nice to see in menubar icon | 15:41 |
| pupnik | you know, so you can see at least 1,2,3 radial 'bars' for signal strength | 15:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd like it to work like the 2G/3G bars | 15:43 |
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| dimitra | helo | 15:46 |
| dimitra | anyone use sb ? | 15:46 |
| dimitra | room dead? | 15:48 |
| ToJa92 | sb = ??? | 15:48 |
| * gevaerts doesn't see any room! | 15:48 | |
| Trizt | soft bread? ;) | 15:48 |
| dimitra | sb = scratchbox | 15:48 |
| Shapeshifter | dimitra: 1) ask your question, not if anyone does anything, 2) be a lil more patient ^^ | 15:49 |
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| dimitra | ok | 15:49 |
| dimitra | first question, whats the diff between scratchbox & scratchbox2 | 15:50 |
| RST38h | lotsa diff man | 15:50 |
| dimitra | second question, I cant include <clutter/clutter.h> when I compile in sb for armel | 15:50 |
| RST38h | lotsa lotsa diffs diff 'em urself to find out man | 15:50 |
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| aquatix | can i do a request for a new claws-mail build for diablo? | 15:51 |
| RST38h | learn about pkg-config man | 15:51 |
| dimitra | RST38h, I want to compile a c prog useing gstreamer clutter and cairo | 15:51 |
| RST38h | pkg-config is ye friend | 15:51 |
| aquatix | RST38h: :) | 15:52 |
| RST38h | ye best matey | 15:52 |
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| dimitra | RST38h, I have set the paths in pkg-config | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | what paths? | 15:52 |
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| dimitra | RST38h, for clutter-1.0 diretcory | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | yo next besta friend is man, mate | 15:53 |
| RST38h | man pkg-config | 15:53 |
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| dimitra | RST38h, what i saw in SB directory, is that I have a SB inside another SB | 15:53 |
| dimitra | RST38h, is that rt? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | retweet! | 15:54 |
| dimitra | RST38h, I ll try another clean install | 15:54 |
| RST38h | no idea, only have one SB2 | 15:54 |
| dimitra | RST38h, for cairo clutter gstreamer & maybe a bit gtk for maemo in N900 u rekon SB or SB2? | 15:55 |
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| frals | RT @lcuk retweet! | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | RT: @frals RT @lcuk retweet! | 15:56 |
| dimitra | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2 btw why says ABANDONED PROJECT ? | 15:56 |
| Shapeshifter | dimitra: it says right below that line. | 15:57 |
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| dimitra | Shapeshifter, I c that is mainted by NOKIA | 15:58 |
| * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon before he leaves | 15:58 | |
| dimitra | just cant understant the DIABLO the FREMANTLE the SCratcjbox2 difs | 15:58 |
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| auenf | NOKIA or NOKlA ? | 16:00 |
| dimitra | auenf, ? | 16:03 |
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| dimitra | do i need NOKIA binaries for a clutter application in ARMEL? | 16:05 |
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| crashanddie | dimitra: stop using caps | 16:07 |
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| dimitra | k | 16:08 |
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| summel | can i set a "default" phone number for a contact? | 16:11 |
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| style | Hi, any ideas why google calendar synchronizing fails with n900 (it starts synchronizing and "Calendar and Task" almost finishes, but after that always comes error | 16:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | style: it's not supported. there's an app called ermining, or you can use a service like nuevasync. | 16:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | both enable you to sync google calendar with the n900 calendar. | 16:20 |
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| style | Shapeshifter: yeh, Erminig doesn't seem to support n900 | 16:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | style: I'm 99% sure it does. In any case, I use nuevasync and it works. | 16:25 |
| style | okay, I'll try =) | 16:25 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40408 | 16:26 |
| Shapeshifter | style: ^ | 16:26 |
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| style | very alpha indeed =) crashes quite often =) | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | ~ping | 16:49 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:49 |
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| dymaxion | anyone know if I can i use OpenVPN on the N900 to connect using Cisco OpenConnect protocol? cheers | 16:56 |
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| gevaerts | dymaxion: openvpn uses the openvpn protocol | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | how long have i been *not* here? | 16:57 |
| dymaxion | gevaerts, I see.. so I guess i need openConnect from the testing repo... cheers | 16:57 |
| gevaerts | MohammadAG: 30 seconds? | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | was the channel that quiet? | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | lag was going up for some reason | 16:59 |
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| * pupnik imagines a 4 row keyboard with dedicated numberkey row | 17:08 | |
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| mtnbkr | pupnik: put that Droid down! :) | 17:09 |
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| MohammadAG | what's with upstart-job missing... | 17:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't understand why anyone depends on that | 17:32 |
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| Stskeeps | it does not exist in any of the upstart versions of maemo | 17:33 |
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| MohammadAG | solved | 17:40 |
| * MohammadAG has a cached old version which doesn't "depend" on it | 17:41 | |
| MohammadAG | rebooting | 17:41 |
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| crashanddie | Bloody hell | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | The hills are alive with the sound of haggis? | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Tractors here. | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | One in five people in Britain thinks that haggis is an animal that roams the Highlands, according to a survey on Friday. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I could record them, and make a symphony. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Or ... not. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It does! It has one leg shorter than the other, to enable it to graze hills more effectively. | 18:01 |
| crashanddie | 18 percent of the UK thinks haggis is a sheep, 15 percent think it's a scottish musiscal instrument, 4 and percent think it's a character from Harry Potter | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | There are two subspecies - which can't mate - the clockwise, and the anticlockwise haggis. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | One has the left leg shorter, the other the right. | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | Event 14% of the 800 scots polled said they didn't know what haggis was | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | but I guess that's normal, with them being drunk and the funny accent | 18:02 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: isn't haggis a brand of diapers though? =) | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: no, that's huggies | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | well, depends again, if you say that with a scottish accent or not :P | 18:03 |
| RST38h | ah shit | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - in some parts of scotland - there are 4 food groups. Deep-fried, battered, Tennants special, and Irn Bru. | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | yup, tastes like it, RST38h | 18:04 |
| RST38h | "HTC Walks From Palm Bid, Will Lenovo Step Up?" | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | let Palm die | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Oh, the Tentacled One! You have heard my pleas and obliged! Thankyouthankyouthankyou | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | shoot it in the fucking head and piss on its dead fat carcass | 18:04 |
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| RST38h | Now Lenovo will buy Palm and they will BOTH die in the embrace of death | 18:04 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 18:05 |
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| crashanddie | PhonicUK: did you ever notice your nick could be pronounced as "phony cock"? | 18:05 |
| PhonicUK | no i did not | 18:05 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | In that case I'm happy to have contributed to your life | 18:05 |
| PhonicUK | did you notice that the abbreviated version of my nick is PhUK ? | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | "Phuck a phony cock" | 18:06 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | sounds like something robin williams would say | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | or victoria beckham | 18:06 |
| PhonicUK | br | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off to bed | 18:08 |
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| crashanddie | 'night all | 18:09 |
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| trumee | sip calls over wifi make N900 hot. | 18:10 |
| trumee | not sure whether it is the g729 codec | 18:11 |
| PhonicUK | Has anyone made a GPS-base tron-like trail app yet? | 18:11 |
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| ShadowJK | it's probably wifi that eats most power | 18:18 |
| Arkenoi | 3G data eats way more than wifi | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 18:20 |
| ShadowJK | But wifi eats more than cpu running g729 | 18:20 |
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| BCMM_ | how do extensions for the browser work? | 18:27 |
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| BCMM_ | and is there a nice way to handle youtube available? | 18:29 |
| BCMM_ | flash can be a little slow (and annoys me on any platform) | 18:29 |
| BCMM_ | ideally i'd like a way to open youtube videos in the media player automatically | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | zoutube uses the media player (and the dsp) | 18:30 |
| BCMM_ | zoutube can do that, but i don't think it can be given a URL | 18:30 |
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| Arkenoi | digia @scene was good | 18:31 |
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| Arkenoi | but it does not work for me anymore | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | use it from the start | 18:31 |
| BCMM_ | Arkenoi: it seems a bit broken to me | 18:31 |
| BCMM_ | and slowed things down a bit | 18:31 |
| Arkenoi | "this video has been deleted" for everything | 18:31 |
| BCMM_ | yeah | 18:31 |
| BCMM_ | that, and damn near hanging the system | 18:31 |
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| BCMM_ | i'd quite like to be able to just launch media player from the browser when i'm on a youtube url - does some way of doing that exist? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | youtube updated their api | 18:32 |
| BCMM_ | if not, i guess i'll have to learn how to install custom browser extensions | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | all youtube apps broke | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | zoutube was updated | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | back to maths | 18:32 |
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| jacekowski | i'm trying to connect apple keyboard to n900 | 18:33 |
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| jacekowski | and i get error straight away | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't even try to do anything | 18:34 |
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| BCMM_ | pretty sure i've seen a wiki article about apple bluetooth keyboards | 18:35 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 18:35 |
| pupnik | if them n900 keyboard were 4 rows, the balance of the unit would be very high and it would tip over if laid down | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | ok, its working now but i found solution on tmo not on wiki | 18:36 |
| RST38h | which n810 actually does | 18:36 |
| jacekowski | and it looks like ill have to play with keymap little bit | 18:36 |
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| jacekowski | letters are working | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | numbers no | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, try using the alt key | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | nah, keymap is messed up | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | (at least that's how numbers work on the SU-8W) | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | its apple keyboard, nothing here is normal | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | but at least its small and quite robust | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol the same happens with nokia's keyboard | 18:44 |
| MohammadAG | the : key is actually a ? (same as the N900 keymap) | 18:44 |
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| MohammadAG | i get high speeds on my N900, no need for an extra keyboard | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | 59WPM as of today | 18:45 |
| jacekowski | now i just need bt mouse | 18:45 |
| pupnik | irc, using no punctuation? | 18:47 |
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| PhonicUK | MohammadAG, 59WPM on the N900 keyboard? | 18:49 |
| PhonicUK | do you have midget fingers? | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | these are small 1 letter words | 18:50 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 18:56 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like it's keymap problem | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | it's working fine on windows | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | with all numbers and etc. | 18:58 |
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| trumee | is it possible to have bookmarks in mc? | 19:01 |
| trumee | its a pain to put server details everytime | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it uses the rx51 keymap for all keyboards | 19:02 |
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| jacekowski | trumee: if you click on that thingy in entry box it shows you list of recently used servers | 19:05 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: thanks | 19:06 |
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| trumee | jacekowski: any idea how can i select multiple files for copying | 19:10 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | with + | 19:12 |
| jacekowski | press + and type *.* | 19:12 |
| trumee | apparently one needs to use insert key. but how to get that in n900 | 19:12 |
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| trumee | *.* will select all the files | 19:13 |
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| trumee | no way to select individual files? | 19:14 |
| summel | hmmm how does stuff like *101# work on the n900? when i try it it just says wrong number :o | 19:15 |
| ShadowJK | "It doesn't" | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | summel, it doesn't | 19:16 |
| summel | :O | 19:16 |
| ShadowJK | Although there's a USSD widget or something in extras | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | ussd-widget | 19:16 |
| summel | how am i supposed to know how much money i have left on my card? :O | 19:16 |
| ptl | ussd-widget | 19:16 |
| ptl | and there's some dialpad for ussd too | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG | summel, PR1.2 | 19:16 |
| trumee | jacekowski: ctrl + t does it | 19:16 |
| summel | ah ok i will wait for that then :) thx | 19:17 |
| ptl | in PR1.2 USSD codes will be available in the default dialer, summel | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | use the ussd-widget | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | or switch to a bill | 19:17 |
| ShadowJK | dunno it it'll run programs on the SIM card though | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | summel, use the ussd-widget... | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG | only the *xxx# crap | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a toolkit :) | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | never used these codes in IL | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | Well I'm wondering how his operator would know how much memory he has left on his SIM card | 19:18 |
| glogiotatidis | hello | 19:18 |
| ShadowJK | So my guess was that the sim had a program that would intercept a specific *xxx# code | 19:19 |
| ShadowJK | Not that I know if that's even possible | 19:19 |
| summel | when i build an application in the sdk where should i copy the binary to on the device? /usr/bin? and how do i add a shortcut to the menu? | 19:19 |
| glogiotatidis | anybody who can help me not returning my maemo summit loaned n900 ? (maybe from the council?) | 19:20 |
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| glogiotatidis | I'm actively developing 3 apps and contributing and i would like to keep the device. I can't reach quim though to request a loan extension... | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, i'm sure they use a db and nothing on the actual sim | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | since some operators require the you call an automated number to hear how much you have left | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, well I'm not wondering how they store this information | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | I'm wondering how they obtain this information in the first place | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | since it's not standard for SIM cards to inform the operator about how much memory is used | 19:21 |
| summel | why would they even need to know that? oO | 19:21 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah exactly | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, they compare the number with that in the database | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | same as voice mail | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, dude why would the operator or the voice mail know how many contacts he has stored on the sim? | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | Presumably they know the sim card's memory capacityu | 19:22 |
| ShadowJK | but how do they know how many contacts he has added!? | 19:22 |
| summel | hmm ussd widget does not work... nothing happens when i try to add it to my desktop :( | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | umm to check for credit they don't need to know | 19:23 |
| summel | ShadowJK: they do not need to know that either | 19:23 |
| summel | private information :o | 19:23 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, oh for some reason I read memory not money :D | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | oops :D | 19:23 |
| summel | xD | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | umm to check for credit they don't need to know | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | damn, hit up enter instead of enter | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: USSD isn't related to SAT (SIM Application Toolkit) | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | sorry for the repeated msg | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | lol ShadowJK, it happens :P | 19:24 |
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| summel | :O creating a loopable wallpaper is not that easy :/ | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SAT is nonsense, evil, and braindamaged | 19:24 |
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| summel | but it still looks great :) | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | Photoshop | 19:25 |
| summel | yeah i know | 19:25 |
| summel | but to match both ends together is complicated | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I hear it's also mentally disturbed | 19:25 |
| summel | if you want it to look "right" | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | black pic | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and will eat your children | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | or a solid coloured one | 19:26 |
| summel | or is there a function like "hold power- and photo button at the same time? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | easiest to loop :P | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | :O | 19:26 |
| * MohammadAG doesn't have any children | 19:26 | |
| MohammadAG | should I be worried? | 19:26 |
| summel | MohammadAG: http://summel.de/n900/ ^^ | 19:26 |
| summel | the 2nd one loops... kinda... but looks strange | 19:27 |
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| summel | have to redo it again later | 19:28 |
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| * PhonicUK simmers | 19:31 | |
| summel | in which application should i install the binary i build? | 19:32 |
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| MohammadAG | ? | 19:36 |
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| summel | /usr/bin/ ? | 19:37 |
| summel | and where are the .desktop files for the menu-entries? | 19:37 |
| GAN900 | The first person to get the MeeGo Handset UX running on that new Sharp tablet will make a lot of former Nokia tablet people happy. | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | well | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | binaries are installed in /usr/bin | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | if not optified | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 19:39 |
| summel | ok thx :) | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | summel, if it has a make file install would most likely be defined | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | so just run make install | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, any link to that device ? :D | 19:40 |
| summel | MohammadAG: what would "make install" do good for me if i run it in the sdk? :P | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | install it? | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | summel, what exactly are you doing? | 19:41 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless, ping | 19:45 |
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| MohammadAG | oh ffs | 19:48 |
| Robot101 | wtf | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | i'm fixing tear | 19:48 |
| Robot101 | there's no way to exit frozen bubble? | 19:48 |
| * Robot101 rages | 19:48 | |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: ctrl-backspace? | 19:49 |
| luke-jr | lol | 19:49 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 19:49 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: -b *!*@server-001.fayntic.com | 19:49 | |
| MohammadAG | ctrl backspace and X | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG | i need to remap the x button to something | 19:50 |
| Robot101 | well yeah, I have camkeyd too | 19:50 |
| Robot101 | but actually being able to return to the menu from inside the game would be good too | 19:50 |
| Robot101 | like, just rebind esc to something, would it be so hard :( | 19:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Robot101, it is since I never looked at the code... | 19:52 |
| summel | :O no nano ? ;_; | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | http://www.coated.com/sharp-netwalker-pc-t1-tablet-computer/ | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, ^ | 19:54 |
| summel | and no vim | 19:54 |
| summel | oO | 19:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer startes at N900 kbd, searching for ESC key | 19:55 | |
| lcuk | you should know by now, there is no escape | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so well maybe I got this wrong -> [2010-04-24 18:50:40] <Robot101> like, just rebind esc to something, would it be so hard :( | 19:56 |
| lizardo | X-Fade: ping | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it would be good to have a generic esc hotkey combination for titles which need one | 19:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses the shiny new qwerty keypad - no more esc key XP | 19:57 | |
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| summel | what text editor is there for the terminal? oO | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh wait - yeah the wertzu hadn't any either | 19:58 |
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| luke-jr | summel: vim, nano, etc? | 19:59 |
| summel | luke-jr: there is no nano in the repositorys afaics? oO | 20:00 |
| luke-jr | summel: I have it... :o | 20:01 |
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| summel | only vim | 20:01 |
| summel | ;_; | 20:01 |
| luke-jr | ah, it's called nano-tiny | 20:01 |
| summel | i hate vim | 20:01 |
| summel | thx | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the kbd driver should have a way to assign arbitrary macros to all the hw-keys, to invoke while in 'sym' mode (os-kbd) | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | vi not vim | 20:01 |
| luke-jr | vim > vi | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, reproducability | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | make "add_escape" as apackage and it becomes simple | 20:02 |
| summel | luke-jr: also no package nano-tiny | 20:02 |
| summel | :( | 20:02 |
| lcuk | theres too manyhacks and things in for people to type | 20:02 |
| luke-jr | summel: is for me! | 20:02 |
| lcuk | and they reflash and lose stuff | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry you lost me | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, there were keyboard remapping hacks on the 810 too | 20:02 |
| lcuk | but they were fire once, root modificaitons for people | 20:03 |
| lcuk | who then reflashed and lost them | 20:03 |
| lcuk | if those hacks were packages people can keep them through reflashing | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's the problem with all mods | 20:03 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:03 | |
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| luke-jr | blame Stskeeps | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace the original kbd driver with a hacked one you put into a pkg | 20:04 |
| lcuk | >.> | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: it's all my fault, but i blame you | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:04 |
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| luke-jr | :P | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, has anybody noticed the 'sym' mode has no special meaning for the hw-kbd? that's what I call a lost opportunity | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | OMG | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | ovi store and Ovi Music ad in arabic | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | alah agbar | 20:14 |
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| summel | admiral ackbar? | 20:14 |
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| * marmoute slaps DocScrutinizer | 20:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | pardon my french | 20:15 |
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| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, slightly inappropriate | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no offense intended | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | LOL just noticed it | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | none taken | 20:19 |
| summel | i just wondered why there is no neverball port for the n900 yet :o | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | s/g/k if you want it to be more similar to arabic :p | 20:20 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer: uhh. if you're going to do that, at least spell it right | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm a nonworthy westerner, I'm supposed to misspell it | 20:21 |
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| MohammadAG | nonworthy? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I guess there's no way to spell it right in latin writing | 20:22 |
| korhojoa | I have no idea what he's talking about | 20:22 |
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| korhojoa | Let's say there are a lot of ways to spell it better | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no doubt in that | 20:23 |
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| korhojoa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir | 20:23 |
| * MohammadAG sees the channel going off topic cause of a Nokia ad | 20:24 | |
| MohammadAG | damn you Nokia! :P | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | الله كبير | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG | summel, it's taking ages to download | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | now blame google, not me ;-P | 20:24 |
| summel | MohammadAG: what? | 20:24 |
| * MohammadAG blames google since it's also wrong | 20:25 | |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | well, not wrong, but not what u said earlier | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | summel, neverball | 20:27 |
| summel | where i can i download it? :D | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG | downloading the source | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I 'learnt' exactly 3 words Arabic in my life -> water melon, honey melon, and Attention | 20:28 |
| summel | hmm ok | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I thought I'm not the right person to learn to break my tongue that way | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 20:30 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is reassembling the screen easy? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I never disassembled the screen | 20:31 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, as in reassembling it with a base | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | but all reports of broken screws I heard were about those in the screen half | 20:32 |
| Dblur | what filesystem does the n900 use? | 20:32 |
| Dblur | im trying to mount it | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | not the screen itself | 20:32 |
| Dblur | tried vfat doesnt work | 20:32 |
| Dblur | lsusb displays the device, but i cant mount it :S | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh, it's a real PITA to reinsert theboard2board connector | 20:32 |
| Dblur | suggestions ? | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | Dblur, it uses vfat, ext3, and ubifs | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the ribbon? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | my screen is misaligned a bit | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG | moves sideways about 1mm (but I can hear/feel it) | 20:33 |
| Dblur | mout -t vfat sdb /mnt/usb | 20:34 |
| Dblur | mount : no medium found | 20:34 |
| Dblur | what am i doing wrong? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and obviously odds are you break the FPC ribbon or the connector during the process - it's extremely sensitive and flimsy | 20:34 |
| Dblur | ok it just wasnt sdb sorry about that :S | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the whole upper half or just the screen (I'd wonder how that may work then) | 20:35 |
| summel | now i only need a bag for my n900 :/ the one nokia sells sucks :( | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i've worked with ribbons before, but not sure how the n900's works | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: me too, you bet. Still this one broke :-/ | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's real crap | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: they managed to bond a flexible PCB onto the flexible PCB just where the B2B-connector is mounted on the opposite side. Any tiny bending will destroy the vias or whatever they used to contact the 'jumper' PCB to the main FPC | 20:40 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how would you manage that unless you took the lid off tho? | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: manage what? | 20:41 |
| * lcuk always has pieces left over when he takes stuff apart | 20:41 | |
| lcuk | and generally doesnt do it until warranty is a thing of the past | 20:41 |
| lcuk | breaking ribbon under screen | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: seems it happens frequently, even to those not taking apart the two halves. We had three reports of exactly this fault pattern during the last 2 weeks or somesuch, just here in IRC | 20:42 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: that's where you're going wrong. Taking it apart when you can do wa warranty return is clearly the right way. | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 20:43 |
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| MohammadAG | nah i meant how does the ribbon look | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | the PS3s ribbons had to be clipped | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this one has a board2board connector soldered to it | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | damn lag | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so you have to use bending force to the ribbon to pull out the connector. Odds are either the connector comes off the ribbon or the 2nd small ribbon patch on the opposite side of the connector breaks its joints to the main ribbon | 20:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a specified way to remove the connector in the manual? | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | believe me, it's one of the most insane engineering pieces of craftmanship I've seen in 40 years | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not really | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not a single word about how to reassemble it in a correct manner | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i'm surprised tehkseven took it off easily | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | aka jon | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: It's friggin easy to disassemble - almost as easy as breaking it by doing so | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: let me put it this way: I'll not do it again | 20:54 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 20:55 |
| * MohammadAG takes a hint | 20:56 | |
| * MohammadAG loos for a service centre | 20:56 | |
| spectre- | i'm selling n900's like mad in uganda | 20:57 |
| Chiku | what nolo mean? | 20:57 |
| spectre- | huge open source community here | 20:57 |
| spectre- | huge open source community here | 20:57 |
| spectre- | er | 20:57 |
| spectre- | people love it | 20:58 |
| spectre- | :D | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Chiku: NOkia-bootLOader | 20:58 |
| Chiku | ok | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | spectre-, that's awesome :) | 20:58 |
| spectre- | giving a speech/presentation w/ two of em on monday | 20:59 |
| spectre- | gonna load an entire RACHEL open-courseware repository on one | 20:59 |
| spectre- | set up lighttpd and streaming video capability | 20:59 |
| spectre- | turn on joikuspot | 20:59 |
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| spectre- | and have another one plugged into a projector | 21:00 |
| spectre- | load up some MIT lessons and such | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | 29 wpm signle handed (one thumb one hand) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, bring fan and charger when enabling joiku | 21:00 |
| spectre- | videos in particular | 21:00 |
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| spectre- | haha yeah | 21:00 |
| spectre- | but people with laptops will be able to see it too | 21:00 |
| summel | :o the media player widget stopped working | 21:01 |
| summel | now it only works when the player is running :( | 21:01 |
| spectre- | the idea is you could walk into a remote village with an n900 and kids with wifi enabled phones or laptops can consume open-courseware | 21:01 |
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| spectre- | rather than hauling a server, clients, and a genny | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll need the generator anyway, for the charger and fan :-P | 21:02 |
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| spectre- | hahaha | 21:03 |
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| spectre- | i figure the battery will last 2hrs max with that going on | 21:03 |
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| spectre- | was also thinking of trying to create some sort of mesh technology if i had 2 with joikuspot | 21:04 |
| spectre- | or more | 21:04 |
| korhojoa | spectre-: give up. it won't work | 21:04 |
| spectre- | lol | 21:05 |
| spectre- | why? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | spectre-, adhoc wifi works :) | 21:05 |
| * korhojoa is so positive | 21:05 | |
| korhojoa | I also need to switch trains = no moar interwebs. | 21:05 |
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| * VDVsx throws a screwdriver at lcuk :D | 21:17 | |
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| lcuk | thats a long throw! | 21:18 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, volcano ashes help on that :D | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, yeah they also hinder flight timetables too lol | 21:19 |
| lcuk | "airports across europe were closed today by an errant screwdriver in the flighpath" | 21:20 |
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| VDVsx | :D | 21:20 |
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| Arkenoi | incoming call while doing something cpu and io intensive == almost guaranteed major system clusterfuck :-/ | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | summel, neverball isn't compiling | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/include/SDL/begin_code.h:94:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive | 21:30 |
| summel | :( | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: strange, as all the subsystems to handle the call should be preloaded and non-swappable | 21:30 |
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| * RST38h yawns at Arkenoi, Mohammad, and VDVsx | 21:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if the kernel is stuck in a huge IO and has NOPREEMPT then it might result in unbearable delays | 21:33 |
| * MohammadAG moos at RST38h | 21:33 | |
| lcuk | can transitions be disabled per app? | 21:33 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i had that several times - while watching movies or doing heavy web browsing, i almost certainly get unresponsive UI | 21:34 |
| RST38h | no | 21:34 |
| RST38h | there is a common file for the hildon desktop | 21:34 |
| lcuk | shame] | 21:34 |
| lcuk | yeah i know | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: UI != phone subsystem | 21:34 |
| RST38h | frankly, given how slow and stuttery they are, I am not sure it is worth enabing them at all =( | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, killall hildon-desktop :P | 21:35 |
| Arkenoi | ah, that's great phone subsystem keeps running "somewhere inside" if i cannot even answer call or terminate a task to do it! | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | If anyone has any idea what the problem is, shout out, http://pastebin.com/pcF0kiRG | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Sorry, what is the problem? | 21:35 |
| wazd | hello humans | 21:35 |
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| RST38h | hello wazd | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: but well, if X is laggy, you probably get into trouble | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | hello world | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | oops wrong tab :P | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | hey wazd | 21:36 |
| wazd | 1st episode of battlestar galactica is 3h long? O_o | 21:36 |
| summel | 2 parts :) | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | oh you reminded me to check for the latest drwho episode | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | LMAO | 21:36 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, have you perhaps added an 'ifdef yourself in your code before calling the headers | 21:36 |
| wazd | cause I seriously need a break :D | 21:36 |
| Trizt | I hate f***ing ms-fags, now I can't access my ovi shares :( | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# dsmetool -t hildon-desktop | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | rebooted my N900 ^ | 21:36 |
| lcuk | and some systems have expectations of predefinitions | 21:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: MohammadAG: heya | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, nothing edited | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | just compiling neverball | 21:37 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: the problem is i cannot answer to incoming call. even s60 behaved better (not to mention s80 which had phone subsystem effectively separated with hardware) | 21:37 |
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| wazd | btw, is there anybody here who contacted qgil bout Amsterdam n900's? | 21:38 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: what else is running at the same time? | 21:38 |
| summel | is there a programm that tells me how long it ~ takes unitl the battery is fully charged? | 21:38 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i was watching a movie. flash one this time. | 21:38 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Ah, ok, that explains it | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: to keep them or? | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | summel, it's called the calculator app | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:38 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: think ukki did it for instance | 21:39 |
| Arkenoi | well, if i do it with media player it is just a bit better | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: if someone has a good reason they get to keep it | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The phone app is actually niced up, so that it is always accessible | 21:39 |
| summel | how do i calculate it if i dont know how full the battery was when startet charging, i dont know how long it's been plugged in and how full it is atm? | 21:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: any results? :) Cause he seems to ignore Vlad (again) | 21:39 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The problem is, this does not take into account swap activity | 21:39 |
| summel | :P | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you are aware of quim's story the last couple of days? :P | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | sec, msg | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:39 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: nope :) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: and the mot@#$^ing Flash does a lot of swapping | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: why there is another xchat update today? I installed yesterday and wasn't too happy with the default - had to remove the braindamaged notifier.so to put it back to purpose | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so what will this new update get me today? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: long story short, was stuck in san francisco and came home yesterday :P | 21:40 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, actually i am afraid that the root of the problem is, as usual, it was not recognized by nokia as being a problem at all :-/ | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I am guessing the media player does not do swapping, but it is disk activity | 21:40 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: so i doubt he have had time to answer any work related stuff :) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is recognized as a problem. Talk to abbra, he knows the gory details | 21:41 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: ah, ok then | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: He will also tell you of how they are trying to fix it | 21:41 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: good to hear that :D | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: bus trips from frankfurt to talinn sounds brutal :P | 21:41 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Although, I really do not think you will be able to help anyway | 21:41 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah :) | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/ is a nice volcano story too | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:42 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: I have no idea what you updated yesterday, but today's update disables the plugin for everything but the LED | 21:42 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: It also enabled XChat's own notificatiob bubbles which are pretty nice | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | thanks to me for noting that it works | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:43 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: touchy :D | 21:43 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: Nokia can tell that they've delayed Symbian^3 cause of volcano :) | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I really hate those types of config updates. I'm happy with my very own custom config, and don't like to do updates every 3 days just to revert the changes they bring to me | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: you know, it wouldn't surprise me | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:44 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Not happy? Do not update. | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, that's not a good way to maintain a package | 21:45 |
| RST38h | BTW, the update does not erase your current config, so I have no idea what you are complaining about. | 21:45 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: What is not a good way? | 21:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: recession, volcano, mayan calendar :) | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | Don't like it, don't update :) | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, that ^ | 21:45 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: all kinds of crazy shit to ruin your plans :D | 21:45 |
| * MohammadAG makes the word Mohammad highlight/ping him | 21:45 | |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: That is not a way I maintain the package. That is a way I answer people whining. | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks. I was reluctant to answer as I was unsure about my speech | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: able to see youtube? | 21:46 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yep | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, DocScrutinizer isn't whining | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | the plugin wasn't actually that good | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7xVOC8zI8o | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: So, I disabled it, anwering many complaints. | 21:47 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: In today's update. And he is *still* whining. | 21:47 |
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| MohammadAG | err | 21:47 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, saw that :) | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: kinda cool :P | 21:48 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: yeah, that guy is really crazy at making maemo 5 ui for diablo :) | 21:49 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, any chance XChat could be made less stupid about handling automatic connection migrations? | 21:52 |
| * wazd wonders why cylons have monocular scaner-like infra-red vision | 21:52 | |
| GAN900 | I find it takes 10 pr 15 minutes, sometimes, for it to reconnect after moving from WiFi to GPRS | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, it's server dependent for some reason | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: it's actually microwave, boil the brains of the victims | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | it takes 4 minutes to disconnect from a private server I'm on, but never disconnects on freenode | 21:53 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh my :) | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | ironically, it fails to connect @ first attempt to that server when it's first started | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | That would be shiny. | 21:54 |
| GAN900 | libconic should be able to deal with that. | 21:55 |
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| Surfa | does anyone have idea what settings should i use with icq using pidgin plugin | 21:59 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: Dunno, I have no idea what connection migration is | 22:03 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, when you switch from 3G to wifi or vice versa | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | Well, tcp/ip connection breaks then. | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | Duh | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | But XChat should be able to see this with libconic and respond accordingly | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, what he was suggesting was something daemon-like | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | it monitors the connection in use, if it changes XChat reconnects | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | Instead I have to do a /reconnect everytime I leave the house. | 22:04 |
| * MohammadAG has a button for it | 22:05 | |
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| RST38h | GAN900: You can probably set it to reconnect | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 22:06 |
| * RST38h checks xchat settings | 22:06 | |
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| * MohammadAG already checked them | 22:07 | |
| MohammadAG | I've been using XChat for more than a year | 22:07 |
| pupnik | yaaaay | 22:08 |
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| RST38h | GAN900: net_auto_reconnect = 1 | 22:08 |
| RST38h | GAN900: And yes, it is a default setting | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, it DOES auto reconnect, after 15 minutes | 22:09 |
| RST38h | Ok, next setting | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | (or if someone glines you) | 22:09 |
| RST38h | net_reconnect_delay = 10 | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | that's when someone kills you | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | it waits 10 seconds then attempts a reconnection | 22:10 |
| RST38h | decrease this one and it will reconnect faster | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that :/ | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | it reconnects after XChat times out | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | XChat takes 15 minutes or more to time out | 22:10 |
| RST38h | a'ok, I will see where that time out delay is set | 22:10 |
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| MohammadAG | after that, it takes those 10 seconds to reconnect | 22:10 |
| RST38h | This one: notify_timeout = 15 ? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | there isn't any setting for it, you're better off making something that checks the connection | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:11 |
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| GAN900 | notify_timeout - How often in seconds to check for users in your notify list. | 22:11 |
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| GAN900 | Really, libconic handles this | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | this is fail dcc_dir......................: C:\Users\Mohammad\Downloads | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on linux :/ | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | (PC XChat btw) | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | Every other networked application knows when a connection migration has occured and handles it accordingly. | 22:12 |
| RST38h | except that XChat knows nothing about libconic and making it know about libconic requires non trivial time investition | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | So somebody just needs to write something up for XChat | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | Go ahead, the source code is out there | 22:13 |
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| VDVsx | ~poke wazd | 22:24 |
| * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind wazd, pokes wazd repeatedly, hilarity ensues. | 22:24 | |
| VDVsx | :D | 22:24 |
| frals | ~poke VDVsx | 22:24 |
| * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind VDVsx, pokes VDVsx repeatedly, hilarity ensues. | 22:24 | |
| * wazd scratches his butt :) | 22:25 | |
| * VDVsx catches the small tree from infobot and beats him to dead :D | 22:26 | |
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| wazd | hilarity ensues :D | 22:26 |
| summel | omg | 22:27 |
| summel | now i know why my program wont run on my n900 | 22:27 |
| RST38h | you compiled it for x86? | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | summel: It was compiled for a commodore 64? | 22:27 |
| pupnik | it is a text file? | 22:27 |
| pupnik | lol | 22:27 |
| summel | the QT4 librarys in the DK are way newer then the ones availeable on the n900 :( | 22:27 |
| summel | wtf?= :( | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Weeeelll | 22:28 |
| VDVsx | SDK is pr1.2 | 22:28 |
| summel | -_- | 22:28 |
| RST38h | You see, you are supposed to have PR1.2 update on your N900 | 22:28 |
| summel | ;_; | 22:28 |
| summel | when will it arrive? | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Nobody knows | 22:28 |
| summel | :O | 22:28 |
| summel | >:( | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Yes, I know | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Very considerate of both developers and users. | 22:28 |
| VDVsx | perhaps, one day in the future :D | 22:29 |
| summel | :( | 22:29 |
| summel | :( | 22:29 |
| summel | :( | 22:29 |
| RST38h | We got it, summel. You are upset. | 22:29 |
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| * MohammadAG pings timeless_mbp | 22:30 | |
| MohammadAG | wb DocScrutinizer | 22:30 |
| timeless_mbp | pong | 22:30 |
| VDVsx | oh forgot the standard answer; "will be released when its ready" :D | 22:30 |
| * VDVsx thinks timeless_mbp didn't recognized him in the other day :D | 22:31 | |
| summel | soon (TM) | 22:31 |
| * RST38h wonders if they have really killed the kitty for Pet Cemetery movie | 22:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | VDVsx: quite likely... | 22:32 |
| VDVsx | lol | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | was this irc or irl? | 22:33 |
| Macer | wow | 22:33 |
| VDVsx | irl | 22:33 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, sorry... | 22:33 |
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| Macer | i just found out that when the n900 is powered off it goes into usb mass storage mode when you plug it into a pc to charge it | 22:33 |
| Macer | what a plus | 22:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | -It has to do that to reliably charge on 'all' OSs | 22:34 |
| VDVsx | timeless_mbp, ehehe, np | 22:34 |
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| Macer | ? | 22:35 |
| Macer | the usb mass storage thing? | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 22:35 |
| Macer | well.. to me it's a good thing | 22:35 |
| Macer | don't know about anybody else :) | 22:35 |
| GNU\caust1c | hi! i'm trying to call ##002# to deactivate my mailbox with my n900, but it says "incorrect number" | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the usb spec is such that if you don't provide a service, you aren't allowed to ask for much power | 22:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so we provide a service :) | 22:35 |
| Macer | haha | 22:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | GNU\caust1c: 'fixed in pr1.2' | 22:36 |
| GNU\caust1c | ah | 22:36 |
| GNU\caust1c | okay, thanks | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | GNU\caust1c: … sorry | 22:36 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: well.. someoen told me that if it isn't in mass storage mode it charges at 100mah | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: that's correct | 22:36 |
| Macer | as opposed to mass storage mode which gets 500mah | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably more accurately stated as 'if it has not enumerated at 500mA' | 22:36 |
| Macer | what does the wall charger give it? | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: >500 | 22:36 |
| timeless_mbp | 1200 | 22:37 |
| Macer | woah | 22:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least the nokia one | 22:37 |
| Macer | 1200? seriously? | 22:37 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 22:37 |
| Macer | so like.. 1 hr to charge? :) | 22:37 |
| Macer | a little over | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: more like 2 | 22:37 |
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| Macer | damn. i need to get my wall charger back from work haha | 22:37 |
| Macer | i left it there | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never seen it charge the battery that fast | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - there are two phases - a rapid charge phase till it hits 4.14V or so, and then a slow charge phase over the next little while - half an hour or more | 22:38 |
| Macer | well... .. this n900 has been kicking ass.. i'm glad i bought it :) | 22:38 |
| Macer | it's great | 22:38 |
| SpeedEvil | the last phase gets the last 10% of charge in | 22:38 |
| Macer | heh | 22:38 |
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| Macer | all it needs is a portrait desktop and it'd be perfect :) | 22:38 |
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| Macer | i mean i can deal with it not having one.. but if it did.. :) | 22:39 |
| Shapeshifter | installing easydebian is really taking ages | 22:39 |
| Macer | Shapeshifter: what's thtat? another chroot debian? | 22:39 |
| Macer | they had something similar for android.. it was OK i suppose but still kind of sucked.. i actualy perfer the maemo userland instead of installing a power sucking chroot :) | 22:40 |
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| Macer | no gftp for maemo5 ? | 22:40 |
| * timeless_mbp has had it do portrait in desktop (it isn't supposed to do that) | 22:40 | |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: yeah. there's a hack for it | 22:40 |
| Macer | "hack" heh | 22:40 |
| timeless_mbp | nah, here it does it accidentally | 22:41 |
| Macer | but i hear it doesn't work very well | 22:41 |
| Macer | accidently? :) | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 22:41 |
| Macer | how so? | 22:41 |
| Macer | comes out of the phone app and never flips around? | 22:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | not quite sure | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | in 1.2 a bunch of other apps have portrait mode too | 22:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so it isn't that simple | 22:42 |
| Macer | well. i can see the desktop being a pain | 22:42 |
| Macer | but if android can do it.. maemo can do it too heh | 22:42 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, technically the image viewer has had a portrait mode since day 1 :) | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | somebody mentioned something about heroes port to maemo | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | does anybody remember anything about that? | 22:42 |
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| Macer | no | 22:42 |
| Macer | i hate android.. cyanogen made my G1 tolerable | 22:43 |
| Macer | but overall it sucked :) | 22:43 |
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| jacekowski | dalvik on n900 would be nice | 22:43 |
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| Macer | a qt based ui would be nicer ;) | 22:44 |
| GNU\caust1c | my n900 spawns dbus-scripts resursively pretty often, is this a known problem or did i fuck up? :) | 22:44 |
| Macer | but damn the n900 is great.... i love it.. i think the integrated WORKING jabber client was the best part | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: from my experience I'd say the slow charge phase is muuuuch longer | 22:44 |
| Macer | in android i tried like 10 jabber clients and they all sucked | 22:44 |
| Macer | well.. maybe 5 :) | 22:44 |
| Shapeshifter | Macer: yes | 22:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - 'or more' | 22:45 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, is there a way to reset microB settings? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | settings not history | 22:45 |
| Macer | Shapeshifter: it works very well with my zimbra server ;) | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | it stopped rotating | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: like 'charging gets to ~80% in half an hour, then takes 3h for the remaining 20% | 22:45 |
| GNU\caust1c | hm, the n900 jabber client isn't perfect :/ it lacks gui for setting the priority and i can't connect using ssl :/ | 22:45 |
| Macer | i don't even know what kind of jabberd it runs | 22:45 |
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| GNU\caust1c | and no MUC support | 22:45 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: sorry, what do you mean? | 22:46 |
| trumee | is there any way to find out the diskspace rootsh consumes on a vanilla flash | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: well, maybe s/half// | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, microb stopped rotating | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | microb settings are a combination of ~/.mozilla/microb and ~/.browser[something] | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG | (CTRL SHIFT O thing enabled) | 22:46 |
| timeless_mbp | but in 1.1 you need to use ctrl-shift-o w/ each launch | 22:46 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: which adds the insanity? | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't persist across quits | 22:47 |
| trumee | i am using the UK firmware and rootsh is 178.7M occupied | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, doesn't work | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: rootsh is a package | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | rootfs is a file system | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | they aren't the same :) | 22:47 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: sorry i mean / | 22:47 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: root fs | 22:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | trumee: if you have 30mb free, you'll be fine for a while | 22:47 |
| timeless_mbp | in 1.2, we move a lot of stuff off / | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's 80 with a flash | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | I get 115 since I move some stuff out of /usr/share | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | and /var/lib | 22:48 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i have 44.7 MB left. i was transferring some files over ssh via mc and somehow i filled up all the space | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, the microb engine is hefty :p | 22:48 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: yeah well... | 22:48 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: 80MB sound better than my 44.7 MB | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | 115* | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 22:49 |
| trumee | i suspect mc is using some sort of cacheing when it transfers files over ssh | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | my script's a very basic one, running it twice breaks the device | 22:49 |
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| trumee | because mc ate up all my disk space and i received a memory error | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | my N900 has more / than my PC | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/sda5 10531272 9918664 77644 100% / | 22:50 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: so i can get 80MB free with a UK flash? | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | just switch to global | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | and yes | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/sda5 10531272 9996308 0 100% / | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | wow | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | Audacity fills it up | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | s/fills/filled | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: SpeedEvil: the charger chip can charge at max 1050mA. so an empty cell will reach ~80% in 1h+some minutes. Then CV mode kicks in and charging slows down so Nokia states 'charging time: 3h30' | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, if you remember, I filed a bug report a while back | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | when I said the browser took 7 seconds to start loading | 22:52 |
| wazd | is there any way for SVG clock to show digital time? :) | 22:53 |
| trumee | why isnt my favourite program DrNokSnes not optified :( | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | thought about it, and you're right, my PC takes 4 seconds to start it up | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | but wouldn't having it in RAM be better? | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | (as in, load about:blank on startup and hide the window) | 22:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: we should be kinda doing something like that | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | *should* be? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | I noticed the browser is instant if it's already loaded | 22:55 |
| PhonicUK | I want to make an N900 | 22:55 |
| PhonicUK | *app | 22:55 |
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| PhonicUK | but have no idea what to make | 22:55 |
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| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, take a look at the Apple app store :P | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I've never seen it go that fast | 22:55 |
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| PhonicUK | MohammadAG, if I did that I'd end up writing an app that does nothing but play fart sounds | 22:56 |
| valdyn | PhonicUK: i believe we have no fart app yet | 22:56 |
| PhonicUK | you're kidding | 22:56 |
| valdyn | haha | 22:56 |
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| PhonicUK | well tough it can stay that way :P | 22:56 |
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| PhonicUK | I want to make something worthwhile | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, I am kidding | 22:56 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 22:56 |
| trumee | i think themes are eating up my device | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | valdyn, it's coming soon | 22:56 |
| PhonicUK | I could make an IRC client using QT | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Accellerator-driven fart app. | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | Control the pitch and duration by moving the phone. | 22:57 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's not from tests with N900, it's based on other evaluations with charging LiIon | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - I know. | 22:57 |
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| PhonicUK | but we have enough IRC clients as it is | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, improve on XChat | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I'm not talking about the general case here - just what I've observed the n900 to do | 22:57 |
| PhonicUK | xchat is a pretty tough act to follow | 22:57 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, what, you don't have to wear a sign for the first week? :P | 22:57 |
| Shapeshifter | so, it's been decompressing stuff during the easy debian installation for 2 hours now | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | PhonicUK, or improve TweeGo | 22:57 |
| Shapeshifter | is this normal? | 22:57 |
| PhonicUK | i tried out TweeGo | 22:58 |
| PhonicUK | seems awefully bloated for a twitter client | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Xchat needs some tweaking. | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I noticed N900 takes AGES to enter 'green' state | 22:58 |
| PhonicUK | i wish that QWebView worked :\ | 22:58 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, humm ? | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - I've often found myself giving it ~2 0.5 hours of charging a day | 22:58 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, so people can tell who you are. :P | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: as I can't easily reach the charger to plug it in when I have put my ebook down at night. | 22:59 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, lol, sometimes I forgot my badge :D | 22:59 |
| VDVsx | *forget | 22:59 |
| trumee | is Mozilla Runtime app required to run microB? it is 28.6MB size. | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, some? :) | 23:00 |
| PhonicUK | trumee, yes it is | 23:00 |
| valdyn | trumee: look at the depends | 23:00 |
| trumee | valdyn: i am more of a gentoo guy stuck in debian. How do i check the package dependencies | 23:01 |
| valdyn | trumee: apt-cache show packagename | 23:01 |
| trumee | valdyn: cheers | 23:01 |
| valdyn | trumee: apt-rdepends would be nicer but its probably not packaged, no idea | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: A) Input box size. B) tabs to the left mode should have the option of pinning the tab bar so you don't accidentally finger it. C) Scroll should work in some manner on the main window from touches. D) If the last isn't easy - at least make the scrllbar bar an obvious colour | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | E) fullscreen button to the righthandside of the inputbox | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | F) Better managment of connection loss. | 23:03 |
| trumee | valdyn: apt-cache show mozilla-runtime says package not found. How do i find package name? | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | G) Preferences menu scrolling is somewhat broken. | 23:03 |
| valdyn | trumee: "apt-cache search" searches name and description | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I suspect bme is driving the charger a bit funny | 23:04 |
| trumee | valdyn: apt-cache search runtime |grep -i mozilla returns nothing | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, or then the charger chip just doesn't react that fast to battery voltage varying rapidly :) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: quite possible | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no H)? | 23:05 |
| valdyn | trumee: youre looking for the package to directory or file? | 23:05 |
| trumee | valdyn: package. The app manager calls it Mozilla Runtime | 23:05 |
| PhonicUK | what version of Qt is on the N900? | 23:05 |
| valdyn | trumee: ok, that has to be confusing, the app manager added its own fields to packages | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | One of the benefits of the mugen battery is that it charges to ~1600mAh very rapidly :P | 23:06 |
| trumee | valdyn: uh, oh! | 23:06 |
| valdyn | trumee: they're probably ( or even most likely ) not supported by the standard debian tools | 23:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I decided to stop spamming. | 23:06 |
| valdyn | trumee: could be microb-engine | 23:06 |
| trumee | valdyn: hmm. In uninstalling section of App Manager it says this package is required by Firefox 1.0.0 | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: And see if I could find a bugzilla link or similar | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: honestly BME should leave alone the bq24150 to let it do it's thing | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well... bme can actually see the current going in/out of the battery... bq24150 can not | 23:07 |
| valdyn | trumee: hmm, I see, that packages doesnt exist anymore with my fennec version | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: just a small pushing up charge current limit to max on detecting charger | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | I mean for termination | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | and preventing trickle charge | 23:08 |
| valdyn | trumee: i dont quite remember, maybe this really isnt needed by anything but fennec / firefox 1.0 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: we don't really care about the current going in/out of battery | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: temp | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure we do | 23:08 |
| trumee | valdyn: The package is Mozilla Runtime 1.9.2.1+rc1 28.6MB in size | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | we don't care as well | 23:08 |
| valdyn | trumee: app manager does not track packages | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | We want to be able to tell when the current going into the battery at 4.2V has tapered off | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:09 |
| valdyn | trumee: app manager shows package + depends at times, i cant tell you how exactly that works obviously | 23:09 |
| trumee | valdyn: what do you mean track packages? | 23:09 |
| trumee | valdyn: ah ok. | 23:09 |
| valdyn | trumee: it shows applications | 23:09 |
| valdyn | trumee: its made for ordinary users, obviously | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | it only shows user/ applications | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: though that's actually not of high importance | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | Or maybe we could just tell charger chip to maintain 4.1V :) | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | I guess trickling at 4.1 should be okay, maybe | 23:10 |
| valdyn | trumee: you can look at details to see the packages | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | N8x0 backed off to 4.0V during variable/high load :P | 23:11 |
| trumee | valdyn: well Details is what i was looking at in App manager. not very helpfull | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 4.2 does quite bad stuff to battery life | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | s/high/moderate/ | 23:11 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: N8x0 backed off to 4.0V during variable/moderate load :P | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean longevity | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:11 |
| valdyn | trumee: hold on im looking for myself.... | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | If you charge a bat to 4.2, and leave it in a hot car everyday for a week, it will easily measurably permenantly decrease in capacity | 23:11 |
| valdyn | trumee: i see the package names in details in the right tab | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Trickle charging at 4.2 does even worse things afaik | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:12 |
| trumee | valdyn: yes that is what i said, Mozilla Runtime 1.9.2.1+rc1 | 23:12 |
| trumee | valdyn: that is the package name | 23:12 |
| valdyn | trumee: thats not the package name unfortunately, package names cant have whitespace | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why bq24150 stops charging at 4V2 and resumes when battery discharged to ~3V8 (iirc) | 23:13 |
| trumee | valdyn: sorry, it is under Application. I dont have package name. | 23:13 |
| valdyn | trumee: and indeed its not really showing the .deb package name, just the app name | 23:13 |
| ShadowJK | Eh, it doesn't stop at 4.2V afaik? | 23:13 |
| valdyn | trumee: it just matches sometimes, in this case it does not | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it actually stops at a certain current threshold, when in CV at 4V2 | 23:14 |
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| trumee | valdyn: i dont have package name for any of the installed app. Only have the Application name | 23:14 |
| valdyn | trumee: i believe however that you can safely remove it | 23:14 |
| valdyn | trumee: right, exactly | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah and it can't tell current consumed by system apart from current absorbed by battery... | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | So if system consumes alot of current, it will never stop charging because it thinks the battery is still eating it | 23:14 |
| trumee | valdyn: app manager complains that firefox depends on it. | 23:15 |
| valdyn | trumee: sure, remove firefox | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that's no real problem, as after some hours a watchdog kicks in | 23:15 |
| valdyn | trumee: that will remove the mozilla runtime too if you didnt mess with it | 23:15 |
| trumee | valdyn: but i thought your fennec browser doesnt depend on mozilla runtime? | 23:15 |
| valdyn | trumee: mine doesnt, mine is a daily build 1.1b2 | 23:15 |
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| trumee | [21:07] <valdyn> trumee: hmm, I see, that packages doesnt exist anymore with my fennec version | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | It actually looks like some of the algorithms in maemo4 bme lived on to maemo5 bme :P | 23:16 |
| valdyn | trumee: but yours is 1.0 | 23:16 |
| trumee | valdyn: ah, so this 26.8MB of space is just a waste | 23:16 |
| valdyn | trumee: and my fennec alone is 33.6mb | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and that's a BAD thing | 23:16 |
| valdyn | trumee: its just a waste if you dont need firefox | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not entirely convinced :) | 23:16 |
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| trumee | valdyn: ok, doesnt help then. my firefox is 6MB and mozilla-runtime is 28.6MB so not much of a space saving than yours :) | 23:17 |
| valdyn | trumee: yea | 23:17 |
| trumee | valdyn: is 1.1 version better than 1.0.0 version? | 23:17 |
| valdyn | trumee: yea | 23:17 |
| valdyn | trumee: i cant vouch for its stability though, i barely use it | 23:18 |
| valdyn | trumee: worked so far.. thats all | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | The way the chip is wired it can't properly terminate the charge on its own.. bme apparently does its own current monitoring either through bq27200 or through cellmo side and drives the bq24150 itself... I imagine as a safe workaround for letting bq24150 operate autonomously without putting excessive wear on the battery you could instruct it to do CC/CV to 4.1 | 23:18 |
| valdyn | trumee: but its a little faster | 23:18 |
| Shapeshifter | so I ssh'd into my n900 and launched htop and the terminal has been empty for like 15 minutes now. I don't think it's responding anymore. if I tap the screen, it still lights up and shows the terminal after 10 seconds but I can't do much | 23:18 |
| trumee | valdyn: ok, got rid of 1.0.0 version | 23:19 |
| trumee | i dont understand hy i have only 46MB of rootfs space left when most of the program on the device are optified | 23:20 |
| valdyn | trumee: qt isnt optified iirc | 23:20 |
| valdyn | trumee: and 46 mb is fine | 23:20 |
| lcuk | trumee, how much space do you have on the device after reflashing | 23:21 |
| valdyn | trumee: qt is huge too | 23:21 |
| trumee | lcuk: that is what i dont know. i didnt check that when i flashed. | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you don't even need that and it's not considered healthy to the cell. All charger chips do the stop-on-current/timer and resume-on-lowvolt shuffle | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | trumee hold on, ill find out for you - pr1.1? | 23:22 |
| trumee | lcuk: yes | 23:22 |
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| trumee | lcuk: on uk firmware RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry Shapeshifter | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ | 23:22 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I guess we have to leave the bq24150 alone then, because any read resets the timer :) | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: a few hours of keeping the cell at CV isn't any harm to the cell | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | trumee, yeah not sure about the variant but im not downloading another image to check ive got a 1.1 here | 23:23 |
| valdyn | trumee: theres scripts to get ~80, but i probably wouldnt do it at this point when pr1.2 is imminent | 23:23 |
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| trumee | valdyn: i think i reflash + clean emmc when PR 1.2 comes out | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (leave alone) that's what I said | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe this is why bme doesn't detect error conditions, it never bothers to check in order to not reset timer? | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the bq24150 does a good job at maintaining the battery, as long as no bme tries to force an obsolete operation scheme on it | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | I get the impression they've tried to implement proper charge to 4.2 followed by maintain at 4150 :-) | 23:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | I wonder what lzma is actually doing... When it's extracting the easy debian image, it uses almost 0% CPU and about 13% ram. and everything is totally unresponsive. | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: my assumption is bme is trying to manage bq24150 in a way so it behaves like a N810 | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | but the cpu is only on 6-8% load in total | 23:26 |
| * lcuk nearly reflashed his primary phone | 23:27 | |
| Shapeshifter | ram only at 160mb. | 23:27 |
| valdyn | Shapeshifter: io does that | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: 160 out of 256 | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, n900 is considerably more conservative towards the end of the charge | 23:27 |
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| PhonicUK | I <3 Qt! | 23:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: yes. | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: swapping maybe | 23:27 |
| PhonicUK | stylesheets for UI layout? How novel! | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe as a result of customers complaining about their BP-4Ls becoming useless early :-) | 23:27 |
| Shapeshifter | swap is at 137. has been for a while. doesn't seem abnormal. | 23:27 |
| valdyn | Shapeshifter: n900 is bad at any big disk i/o | 23:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | valdyn: I see | 23:28 |
| valdyn | ( likely better than the competition but not like a real computer ) | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: they ported bme to N900 without realizing the completely different hw concept | 23:29 |
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| valdyn | Shapeshifter: actually, its just as bad in windows xp | 23:29 |
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| bobbyd | hi | 23:29 |
| bobbyd | does anyone know if there's a fast "full device" or email search for the n900? | 23:29 |
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| bobbyd | I see it indexing things all the time, but I can't seem to find a search application | 23:30 |
| realitygaps | can anyone give me a tip on playing mp3 with gst-launch on maemo... im trying gst-launch playbin uri="file" but that doesnt play | 23:30 |
| valdyn | bobbyd: the index is used by the media player | 23:30 |
| bobbyd | ah | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and I heard bme code lingers around since ~10 years now, and is full of contractors' IP of several 3rd parties | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: email searching is server-side anyhow | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | or should be | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | It seems to behave significantly differently in the full-battery followed by heavy load situation though | 23:31 |
| lcuk | ? really | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | N8x0 would happily dip below 4.0V before excerting much effort | 23:31 |
| bobbyd | luke-jr: but it's not implemented is it? | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: no clue, I don't have N900 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: frankly put I'm not interested in N810 charging scheme | 23:32 |
| bobbyd | ok | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | and N810 didn't even have usable email sw | 23:32 |
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| bobbyd | it's really good actually, I just need to be able to search subject and sender | 23:32 |
| bobbyd | I might have a go at that, should be pretty simple | 23:32 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I'm only using N8x0 as comparison point to illustrate how N900 bme behaves differently on N900 :P | 23:33 |
| bobbyd | assuming there's a new mail notification event | 23:33 |
| kokosz | yes | 23:33 |
| bobbyd | I'll just use python and sqlite | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the hw of N900 is totally different | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | bme is obviously not letting bq24150 run independently, but it's not doing the same thing as on N8x0 either | 23:33 |
| bobbyd | or C++ if that's too slow, but the sqilte fucntionality is in C++ anyway | 23:33 |
| lcuk | bah trumee my older images have been purged and im not downloading one tonight (and i cant tell you figures from anything else) | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and so is the algorithm used to maintain the cell - well at least it *should* | 23:34 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: no, sqlite is C | 23:34 |
| trumee | lcuk: no worries. | 23:34 |
| ShadowJK | should? :) | 23:34 |
| bobbyd | well, most C++ compilers will compile C as most C is C99 these days | 23:34 |
| bobbyd | so I just use C++ rather than the ugly C/C++ thing | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: C++ is not C99-compatible | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | I don't think it's pre-C99 C compat either for that matter | 23:35 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, plain C is not ugly :) | 23:35 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, seems like both on N8x0 and N900 considerable amounts of thought has been put into not ruining the battery if the user leaves it on charger overnight.. Seems sensible to figure out a way to do the same in openbme :P | 23:35 |
| lcuk | c++ has never been c compatible | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes should. N810 was kinda botch, while bq24150 implements a sane management in hw | 23:35 |
| lcuk | it just looks similar for some constructs | 23:35 |
| Arkenoi | I think the proper behavior for maemo could be actively suspending interactive tasks if something really important demands realtime interruption. Say, halt browser and media player on incoming call. | 23:35 |
| kokosz | hey peeps, I'm using Xchat right now on the awesome N900. But... the colours are too dark especially for what I write...can I change that? | 23:35 |
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| Arkenoi | this will solve most of the problems | 23:36 |
| lcuk | c with objects " Cfront! the meta compiler that took original cpp code and generated c from it | 23:36 |
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| bobbyd | lcuk, we'll it's pretty compatible depending on what you're writing in C | 23:36 |
| ZogG | kokosz yes | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | kokosz, settings-preferences-colours ? | 23:36 |
| kokosz | ok | 23:36 |
| luke-jr | bobbyd: for example, you cannot compile Linux with a C++ compiler | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | Not all of C99 compiles as C++.. | 23:37 |
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| jacekowski | well, 1st c++ compiler was just a translator that translated c++ code to C | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | luke-jr: oh I'm tired, I meant that many C compilers support some additions from C++ | 23:38 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, cfront yeah i mentioned that | 23:38 |
| bobbyd | which is where C99 came into it | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: just like Qt does now | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | translates Qt code to C++ | 23:39 |
| * lcuk giggles | 23:39 | |
| lcuk | yup luke-jr | 23:39 |
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| ZogG | nerds 8) | 23:39 |
| bobbyd | because it got inline fucntions, bool etc. | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | uh | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | inline functions I'm pretty sure is not even *new* in C | 23:40 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, inline was around way before | 23:40 |
| bobbyd | yeah, Qt's signals are a bit ugly because of the moc stuff, bug nice to actually use | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | and I don't know of GCC supporting bool for C | 23:40 |
| ghostcube_maemo | o/ | 23:40 |
| * ShadowJK presents: main(){ new(); } void new(){ printf("Hello World!\n");} | 23:40 | |
| bobbyd | lcuk: right but C99 standadised it, before that it was just specific compilers afair | 23:40 |
| lcuk | will that compile? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | how does main() know where to find new() ? | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | it's only a warning :( | 23:41 |
| lcuk | -Wall | 23:41 |
| bobbyd | luke-jr: http://gcc.gnu.org/c99status.html | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: add -Wall -Werror -pedantic | 23:41 |
| bobbyd | boolean type in <stdbool.h> Done | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | The point is that new is a reserved keyword in c++, I think | 23:41 |
| lcuk | does that same code then work in c++ | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | or does it should about bool being predefined | 23:42 |
| lcuk | (if you use <stdbool.h> | 23:42 |
| lcuk | does it shout^ | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | i would personally like to go back to c with objects sorta stuff - leave the operator overloading and retain objects with methods | 23:43 |
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| ShadowJK | Less of the perl-type stuff eh? | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | (write-once never-read) | 23:44 |
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| luke-jr | Perl ftw | 23:44 |
| lcuk | cleanly written objective interfaces | 23:45 |
| ghostcube_maemo | perl for the see. deep under | 23:45 |
| bobbyd | lcuk, can't you just do that by not using operator overloading? | 23:45 |
| bobbyd | (in C++) | 23:45 |
| luke-jr | meh | 23:45 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, but if you have the toys they are used - i could try it | 23:45 |
| luke-jr | more relevant than overloading is the huge stdlib | 23:45 |
| lcuk | and expect a+b to be addition | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | but some sadist overloaded it and made it subtract | 23:45 |
| bobbyd | right, but any tool can be abused | 23:46 |
| bobbyd | there are really horrible constructs in all languages | 23:47 |
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| bobbyd | certainly C++ begins to look horrible when people start using meta-programming to evaluate stuff at compile time, but I just see that as people doing things with it that it wasn't designed for. | 23:48 |
| bobbyd | but in general I think it still does a good job at what it's good at. I certainly wouldn't choose it for writing non-performance-critical tools, but for large projects that require performance, it's still a good tool. | 23:49 |
| bobbyd | anyway, just my opinion | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | performance and c++ in one sentence - wow ;-P | 23:51 |
| lcuk | you wouldnt use c++ for general tools? | 23:51 |
| bobbyd | nope | 23:51 |
| lcuk | if you are a c++ developer, you use c++ as your hammer dont you | 23:51 |
| bobbyd | nope | 23:51 |
| bobbyd | I use python for a lot of stuff | 23:51 |
| lcuk | what do you use? | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:51 |
| bobbyd | C# for others | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeek | 23:52 |
| bobbyd | depending on the scale | 23:52 |
| lcuk | what do they offer c++ doesnt? | 23:52 |
| PhonicUK | "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail" | 23:52 |
| bobbyd | automatic memory management | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | wow I f'd up again | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | tried to optify mc, failed | 23:52 |
| lcuk | and what happens when the scope changes? | 23:52 |
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| MohammadAG | and the changelog says optified | 23:52 |
| LiraNuna | <DocScrutinizer> performance and c++ in one sentence - wow ;-P | 23:52 |
| LiraNuna | C++ isn't slow | 23:52 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, good memory management comes from the developer and knowing the scope of your objects | 23:52 |
| lcuk | it happens in c too! | 23:52 |
| lcuk | not all programs leak memory | 23:52 |
| bobbyd | DocScrutinizer: I've shipped many games on the Game Boy Advance that run at 60fps and were written in C++, so yes, C++ and performacne | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: no, it's just the machine it runs on gets slow | 23:53 |
| bobbyd | performance :) | 23:53 |
| LiraNuna | GBA <3 | 23:53 |
| lcuk | c++ classes are nice | 23:53 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: yes, but removing the possibility removes the need to manage it | 23:53 |
| lcuk | same as any objective system | 23:53 |
| lcuk | oooh thats bad | 23:53 |
| bobbyd | I worte a game engine for minigames that used Lua | 23:53 |
| lcuk | removing the care from the developer does not mean theres no problem | 23:53 |
| bobbyd | we were able to write a game in a day and it just worked | 23:54 |
| lcuk | its easy to get a leaky drippy heavyweight app if you are careless enough | 23:54 |
| lcuk | even in a memory managed system | 23:54 |
| bobbyd | you don't remove the care, for some things it just doesn't matter as much | 23:54 |
| bobbyd | certainly, so you employ good software engineers :) | 23:54 |
| lcuk | so you write a consutructor and a destructor | 23:54 |
| lcuk | and know what you are doing | 23:54 |
| lcuk | bobbyd, very high personal standards is all :) | 23:55 |
| * dottedmag .oO(someone dropped the language-flamewar-bomb to the channel?) | 23:55 | |
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| ghostcube_maemo | dottedmag: yep | 23:55 |
| bobbyd | I've got experience of writing large and small applications in C++, once an application gets to a certain size (50+ programmers) there are many more opportunities for peple to make mistakes | 23:55 |
| bobbyd | even good engineers | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | dottedmag, it's a discussion :P | 23:56 |
| ghostcube_maemo | better than oc | 23:56 |
| bobbyd | dottedmag: it's just some friendly discussion, no make calling :) | 23:56 |
| ghostcube_maemo | :D | 23:56 |
| bobbyd | s/make/name | 23:56 |
| lcuk | make was better :P we arent testing your code yet | 23:56 |
| bobbyd | now make, there's a topic for a flame war! | 23:56 |
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| bobbyd | heh | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | bobbyd, in a large project with that many developers internal reviewing and cross checking buddy coding spots the grossest mistakes | 23:57 |
| bobbyd | I just think it's a case of horses for courses, for some applications it just doesn't matter about memory and performance because speed of development is the crucial thing | 23:57 |
| bobbyd | lcuk: it certainly does, and that works on our project, but still things slip through | 23:57 |
| lcuk | you are on the maemo channel | 23:57 |
| lcuk | principly targeting a system with low ceiling for memory and leaks | 23:58 |
| lcuk | so caring is important for every bit of memory and performance | 23:58 |
| bobbyd | right, and for some maemo apps (like the mail search I'm just writing), python is fine | 23:58 |
| bobbyd | there are many useful maemo apps already written in python | 23:58 |
| bobbyd | where they're small and memory isn't that important | 23:58 |
| lcuk | only if backed up by a low level lib | 23:58 |
| bobbyd | the Gameboy Advance has 32Kbytes of internal memory :) | 23:59 |
| lcuk | using python to do gross processing is going to be much less optimal than even c++ | 23:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns violently | 23:59 | |
| * lcuk inserts bacon | 23:59 | |
| bobbyd | lcuk: yes of course | 23:59 |
| * SpeedEvil has used awk +hexdump to do realtime DSP | 23:59 | |
| * bobbyd goes back to searching mail :) | 23:59 | |
| lcuk | awk is c isnt it :D | 23:59 |
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