| MohammadAG | http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32770-how-use-n900-portrait-mode-glitch.html | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | dima202, it isn't, the python .py script is more practical, but both are crippled portrait mode | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, :) | 00:00 |
| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: hm, i see nothing in postinst that seems to do anything with the sudoers... | 00:01 |
| dima202 | btw, Remember I was having problems installing tools repo? Well simply follow this link to install it http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation scroll down to Installation "open this single-click install file" and you get screen, traceroute and much more useful stuff | 00:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | so let's hope it will work | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, did it work? | 00:01 |
| LuciusMare_ | i am going to test it | 00:01 |
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| dima202 | MohammadAG: do you use ESbox? | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | damn freenode | 00:02 |
| LuciusMare_ | well, this is it... so let's try it | 00:03 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: Can you please write a tutorial which explains how to simply compile a package from source using this application? If you ever get some free time on your hands... I've been at it for days :( | 00:03 |
| LuciusMare_ | holy freak | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, which application? | 00:03 |
| * LuciusMare_ hugs MohammadAG | 00:03 | |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 00:03 |
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| dima202 | anything at all. I just want to know how to compile using ESbox | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, I'm guessing it worked :P | 00:04 |
| ToJa92 | [MohammadAG]: What did you do now lol? | 00:04 |
| LuciusMare_ | ^_^ | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | ToJa92, package which enables sudo su | 00:04 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: Just please a small little tutorial would mean a great deal | 00:04 |
| LuciusMare_ | ToJa92: i had it disabled | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, it really is app dependent | 00:05 |
| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG, thank you so much ^^ | 00:05 |
| ToJa92 | [LuciusMare_]: Oh | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | depends if the app has a configure file etc... | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no probs :) | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | Question for everyone else, should I upload this suenabler to -devel? | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt anyone needs it though.. | 00:05 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: Yeah, with .config | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | no .config for it | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a C++ app | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't need to be compiled... | 00:06 |
| ToJa92 | But why would you use sudo su, isn't that pretty much the same ass sudo gainroot (if you got the proper package installed)? | 00:06 |
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| MohammadAG | ToJa92, he crippled the proper package lol | 00:06 |
| dima202 | ToJa92: because it's less characters? | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | (somehow) | 00:06 |
| ToJa92 | [dima202]: If that's the case you can just write 'root' ;) | 00:06 |
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| * MohammadAG makes a script called R which is root | 00:07 | |
| MohammadAG | 3 less characters!!! :P | 00:07 |
| ToJa92 | [MohammadAG]: Wow, nice accomplishment :) | 00:07 |
| dima202 | :) | 00:07 |
| dima202 | yeah I guess that would work just stick it in /usr/bin | 00:07 |
| LuciusMare_ | One thing i wonder... | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | sudo gainroot is... | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | if [ x$1 = x--use-su ]; then | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | exec su - | 00:08 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG: alias R to root ? | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | it's possible | 00:08 |
| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: it looks kinda like it replaced the whole sudoers file | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 00:08 |
| LuciusMare_ | for example, my permissions for ping are not there | 00:08 |
| ToJa92 | out of curiosity, is it possible to modify the omweather widget? I find it rather large and bulky | 00:08 |
| LuciusMare_ | What did exactly the script do? | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | ping needs root | 00:08 |
| LuciusMare_ | yes | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | ping needs root by default | 00:09 |
| dima202 | One thing I really don't like is that my name is user and there is no password for user either | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | there is a password, we just don't know it (it can be changed) | 00:09 |
| LuciusMare_ | hurr | 00:09 |
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| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: i know ping needs root, that's why i put it in sudoers, and after installing your package, it disappeared | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | no idea then | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't replace anything... | 00:10 |
| LuciusMare_ | then what did it do? :) | 00:10 |
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| dima202 | MohammadAG: oh, so I am basically giving everyone root privelage to anyone on the web to my phone?!!! o.O | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | it only copied the sudoers file and updated sudoers | 00:10 |
| * dima202 types passwd | 00:10 | |
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| MohammadAG | dima202, err, how? | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, in case anything bad happens/ed, here's my whole sudoers.d folder Well here's my whole suoders http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/suoders.d.tar.gz | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | oops, wrong link | 00:11 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: well if the user's password is known then anyone can simply login to my box as user and default password | 00:11 |
| LuciusMare_ | if you have ssh :P | 00:11 |
| dima202 | seems pretty dumb to leave a default password?!! | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/sudoers.d.tar.gz | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, no one knows it | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | and no one will | 00:11 |
| ToJa92 | Probably some guy at nokia who knows it? :P | 00:11 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: I wish I had your optimizm | 00:12 |
| dima202 | the password for user cannot be changed | 00:12 |
| ToJa92 | so he can take over all N900's and DDOS apples server, lol | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, you know there are other N900s, I'm sure one of them has more confidential info than yours :P (no offense) | 00:12 |
| dima202 | lol, ToJa92 as funny as that soudns its true | 00:12 |
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| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: so your package added a file to my /etc/sudoers, right? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | what would be the attack vector to logging in? | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, yes | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | a su.sudoers file | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | then executed update-sudoers | 00:13 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: I have the most sensetive information on mine ... (encrypted ofcours) | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | then why are you worried lol | 00:13 |
| LuciusMare_ | oh, the update-sudoers edited /etc/sudoers, right? | 00:13 |
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| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, no, it just refreshes the cached list | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | it's /etc/sudoers.d/ btw | 00:13 |
| dima202 | MohammadAG: The question is why aren't YOU worried | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | why should I | 00:14 |
| LuciusMare_ | Then what the *HECK* is this line: "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/su" doing in my /etc/sudoers ? O_o | 00:14 |
| timeless_mbp | LuciusMare_: probably so that su can run and say "you can't use me" | 00:15 |
| frals | hey lcuk ive implemented the 3 concrete things we came up with yesterday! | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, it's in /etc/sudoers.d! | 00:15 |
| LuciusMare_ | so this line was already in my sudoers? | 00:15 |
| frals | (found yet another bug in my friggin config dialog while doing it) | 00:15 |
| lcuk | frals !!! :D | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, actually, he asked me to enable it in a package | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, err, no | 00:15 |
| dima202 | well ssh should deny connections if there is no password ... right? | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | I added it... | 00:15 |
| * lcuk raises a glass to you | 00:15 | |
| LuciusMare_ | no, you said you added the file into sudoers.d | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 00:15 |
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| MohammadAG | it's /etc/sudoers.d/su.sudoers | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | dima202: not precisely | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | that's what the package did, period | 00:16 |
| lcuk | :) ill try to get one of the guys to pass a bottle to you when you go next week frals :) | 00:16 |
| timeless_mbp | if you have an ssh key, sshd should be happy | 00:16 |
| * MohammadAG drinks the whole bottle | 00:16 | |
| LuciusMare_ | yes, but that line *points up* is in my /etc/subversion/ | 00:16 |
| LuciusMare_ | ergh | 00:16 |
| frals | hehe lcuk | 00:16 |
| LuciusMare_ | s/subversion/sudoers/ | 00:16 |
| lcuk | infact, timeless_mbp if you see frals could you shout him a bottle of vodka etc | 00:16 |
| lcuk | ill return favour when i next see you | 00:16 |
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| * timeless_mbp nods | 00:17 | |
| MohammadAG | LuciusMare_, did you notice what it says... ### Automatically added by update-sudoers | 00:17 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I split the dots :P | 00:17 |
| LuciusMare_ | o | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | it worked once though, when i tried it again it didn't work | 00:17 |
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| opdf2 | is there a quick photo sharing via service plugin? where i can upload a pic and it returns URL for the upload? | 00:18 |
| opdf2 | beside using the browser | 00:18 |
| * MohammadAG wants that | 00:18 | |
| MohammadAG | but no | 00:18 |
| LuciusMare_ | I blame the late night hours... | 00:18 |
| lcuk | opdf2, agreed - a sensible option for sharing plugins would be to "[ ] put finished url onto clipboard" | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | not late at all, it's still 12:19 AM | 00:19 |
| LuciusMare_ | hah | 00:19 |
| lcuk | but i don tthink it does now | 00:19 |
| LuciusMare_ | MohammadAG: 11:20 PM | 00:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, does the whole sharing thing allow that? | 00:19 |
| opdf2 | lcuk: yes. i just want to do a quick screenshot post or camera shot | 00:19 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 00:19 |
| * MohammadAG stamps "Fixed in Harmattan" | 00:19 | |
| lcuk | but its something thought of by a few people that ive seen | 00:19 |
| LuciusMare_ | anyway, thanks, and bye :) | 00:19 |
| lcuk | it would need to be made available | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | you're welcome | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | and cya | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | and then individual plugins would make use of it | 00:20 |
| lcuk | so it couldnt change overnight i doubt | 00:20 |
| GAN900 | Hooray for sunshine | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, PR1.3 target milestone? :P | 00:20 |
| * MohammadAG wants some snow | 00:20 | |
| lcuk | file a bug about if it there isnt one? | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | or even a cloud | 00:20 |
| lcuk | /enhancement | 00:20 |
| lcuk | if you get me the number ill track it | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: basically there's no such thing like a user without password | 00:21 |
| GAN900 | s/like/as/ | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: for user the password is a nonexist - i.e you can't enter the correct password | 00:21 |
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| dima202 | DocScrutinizer: oh I see so security through obscurity | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's the 'default' password for user | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dima202: no, you CAN NOT enter the correct password | 00:22 |
| dima202 | DocScrutinizer: oh alright. I just hope you are right and this can't be exploited | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | lol | 00:23 |
| TomaszD | heh, I managed to kill apt-worker | 00:23 |
| TomaszD | ham doesn't work now | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: It's done this way on almost all unix systems since 1970 | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | TomaszD, restart it, it will work again :) | 00:24 |
| TomaszD | yeah, it works niw | 00:25 |
| TomaszD | now | 00:25 |
| frals | MohammadAG, lcuk: it should be able to do that as you can make the sharing plugin do a lot of things | 00:25 |
| frals | (but bastard wont start your command until you have an internet connection for some silly reason :<) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: look to /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow, you see all those 'yxcd:*:...' | 00:25 |
| lcuk | frals sure - but it needs to be made into a documented part of the plugin api/specification and individual plugins then need to fill in the fields | 00:26 |
| TomaszD | has anyone seen fiferboy lately? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | its a low hanging fruit tweak to existing system | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: the '*' is what your password had to yield by the encoding algo | 00:26 |
| lcuk | that gives one of those nice touches to people who share a lot | 00:26 |
| lcuk | TomaszD, he was in #meego earlier | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, personally I need it for screenshots | 00:27 |
| TomaszD | thx | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: there's no password that'll create a '*' by crypt() | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | so - find or file me a bug report for it so i can keep an eye on it | 00:28 |
| dima202 | i user :!:29999:29999:: | 00:28 |
| Macer | ok like | 00:28 |
| Macer | no term? | 00:28 |
| Macer | :) | 00:28 |
| dima202 | I dont see a * | 00:28 |
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| Macer | i'm looking for it but can't seem to find it | 00:28 |
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| MohammadAG | :29999:29999:: here, but loads more before it that I won't paste :) | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: '!' is similar | 00:29 |
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| dima202 | DocScrutinizer:and i don't see a /etc/shadow | 00:29 |
| javispedro | no need to. | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: shadow is for multiuser systems | 00:30 |
| Macer | wtf | 00:30 |
| Macer | do i need to add a repo or something to install a terminal? :) | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err what?? | 00:30 |
| dima202 | Macer: no its in your <more> thing in menu | 00:30 |
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| Macer | oh | 00:31 |
| Macer | oops | 00:31 |
| dima202 | :) | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how quick the menu will open on PR1.2 | 00:31 |
| dima202 | btw, I have seen no need to overclock the device remember I was so pro overclocking? I'm anti-overclocking now | 00:31 |
| sECuRE | how comes? | 00:32 |
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| dima202 | because i see no need for it .. at all | 00:32 |
| dima202 | it's so smooth and capable even at stock settings | 00:33 |
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| Macer | ok | 00:33 |
| Macer | hm. | 00:33 |
| Macer | whats the best term font? | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | default | 00:33 |
| MohammadAG | I lowered the font size | 00:33 |
| Macer | i hate the default | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | Droid Fonts then | 00:34 |
| Macer | ;) | 00:34 |
| Macer | hahaha | 00:34 |
| dima202 | hehe, I like the default, although I might play around with it | 00:34 |
| Macer | one of the top ones is pretty good | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | but seriously, terminal doesn't need to look pretty :) | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | as someone suggests in the "Make apps prettier" thread | 00:35 |
| MohammadAG | the word pretty is weird too | 00:35 |
| mayfairman | dima202: the only time I see a lag is on flash intensive site but hopefully upcoming flash 10 H/W acceleration with GPU will see to that without me needing to overclock | 00:35 |
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| dima202 | mayfairman: I just let the flash finish loading and then start watching while I do something else | 00:35 |
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| Macer | well | 00:36 |
| dima202 | mayfairman: if it loads 100% I see no problems at all | 00:36 |
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| Macer | term is pretty good | 00:36 |
| Lumpio- | We could make terminal use Comic Sans | 00:36 |
| mayfairman | dima202: fair enough ;) | 00:36 |
| Lumpio- | That'd be pretty | 00:36 |
| Macer | functional at least | 00:36 |
| Macer | the kb kind of sucks | 00:36 |
| dima202 | Macer: I wish for tabbing on x term | 00:36 |
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| Macer | yeah | 00:39 |
| Macer | that would be cool | 00:39 |
| mayfairman | Tab is on n900 for xterm | 00:39 |
| mayfairman | Sym+8 | 00:39 |
| Macer | er | 00:40 |
| Macer | he means tabbing | 00:40 |
| mayfairman | as in window tabs? | 00:40 |
| mayfairman | or as in line completes? | 00:40 |
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| Macer | window tabs | 00:41 |
| mayfairman | ah, lol, ok ;) | 00:42 |
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| Macer | well | 00:44 |
| Macer | let me find skype | 00:44 |
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| MohammadAG | Conversations > Tap title > Accounts | 00:44 |
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| Macer | wow really | 00:46 |
| Macer | its integrated in telepathy? | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil1 | lcuk: sharing plugins funal url onto cluipboard ++ | 00:46 |
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| andre__ | Macer: yes, as (closed source) telepathy-spirit | 00:47 |
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| dima202 | as in simply seeing tabs in x term as a single app | 00:47 |
| mayfairman | yeah, my bad dima | 00:48 |
| dima202 | but i'm guessing there might be memory issues and if one froze the whole app would freeze | 00:48 |
| Macer | ok... | 00:48 |
| Macer | how do i make a skype call now? | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | Phone app | 00:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Or read the manual :P | 00:49 |
| dima202 | skype? pfft.. Use real sip | 00:49 |
| Macer | lol | 00:49 |
| dima202 | Go to settings> VoIP and IM accounts | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | he already set it up... | 00:49 |
| mayfairman | once you have set-up skype will be integrated with contacts | 00:50 |
| lcuk | does anyone know if the swedish chef from the muppet could pronounce the name of the volcano? | 00:50 |
| lcuk | muppets | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:50 |
| mayfairman | give you option of text, call skype and skype im | 00:50 |
| Macer | yeah | 00:50 |
| lcuk | me and tracy have just been trying to here and it devolved into impressions of him involving exploding chickens | 00:50 |
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| Macer | the skype contacts dont go into your contacts? | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, they do | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, XD | 00:51 |
| mayfairman | yeah | 00:51 |
| Macer | hm | 00:51 |
| mayfairman | and you can also call non-skype contacts through skype call from thier contact card | 00:51 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: the landline contacts do not | 00:51 |
| Macer | only the skype based contacts | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, umm | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | tap the title bar | 00:52 |
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| MohammadAG | select Groups | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | select skype | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | (I noticed this last week) | 00:52 |
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| MohammadAG | tap the title bar | 00:52 |
| Macer | in groups? | 00:52 |
| Macer | er.. phone? | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | you'll get skype specific settings | 00:52 |
| mayfairman | all contacts have skype call option with me | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, contacts > tap title > groups | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | then skype and tap the title bar | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | you'll get a lot of skype related stuff | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | (such as searching for contacts) | 00:52 |
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| Macer | yeah | 00:54 |
| Macer | got it.. awesome | 00:54 |
| Macer | i can import the contacts through skype :) | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ping | 00:55 |
| Macer | i just hope the portrait stuff starts to get worked on | 00:55 |
| Macer | this landscape only for 90% of the stuff kind of sucks | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's been confirmed not to come | 00:55 |
| mayfairman | check out gpodder for an example of portrait goodness ;) | 00:55 |
| * MohammadAG likes it | 00:55 | |
| MohammadAG | It taught me how to type in portrait using a landscape keyboard (can achieve good speeds) | 00:55 |
| Macer | comfirmed not to come? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - 1.2 unlocks the secret hinge. | 00:56 |
| Macer | wtf? :) that is kind of silly | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, lol, not for all packages | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: see 'man crypt' - the password you type is converted to (at least) 12 characters drawn from the set [a–zA–Z0–9./], this crypted string then is stored to /etc/passwd after first ":". You can't enter a password that would result in whatever single char crypted string | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | The keyboard piviots 90 degrees too | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it's not... | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 00:56 |
| Macer | i could understand some things | 00:56 |
| Macer | but the desktop :) | 00:56 |
| Macer | that sucks heh | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it doesn't... | 00:56 |
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| MohammadAG | anyways everyone knows it was confirmed not to come | 00:57 |
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| Macer | MohammadAG: yes it does ;) | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dima202: so no matter if there's :x:, :*:, :!:, or :: - you can't authenticate to this account via password | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, a nano-2.0.7 package | 00:58 |
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| Macer | someone will work on it | 00:58 |
| Macer | i bet | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what that is | 00:58 |
| Macer | heh | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt it | 00:58 |
| Macer | it may not come officially but someone will work on it | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | Not in fremantle | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | at least till some stuff gets opened up | 00:59 |
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| Macer | heh | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | maybe mer, but not fremantle | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: HTH to make you sleep without nightmares ;-D | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | ol | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | lol* | 00:59 |
| Macer | well.. i think it's a bad idea to keep it landscape only | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | it's been landscape only since maemo 1 | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | (it wasn't called maemo 1 was it?) | 01:00 |
| Macer | yeah but... it is the first time it's on an actual phone | 01:00 |
| mayfairman | how does gpodder do it then? | 01:00 |
| dima202 | just came back reading | 01:00 |
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| Macer | ;) | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | mayfairman, it's developed with portrait support | 01:00 |
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| MohammadAG | Maemo wasn't developed with portrait support | 01:00 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: someone will do it | 01:01 |
| mayfairman | OK, cheers | 01:01 |
| Macer | i'll be you money ;) | 01:01 |
| Macer | bet | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | your bet is in the logs | 01:01 |
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| mayfairman | my desktop would look honky in portrait anyways | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | yes I'm pessimistic | 01:01 |
| dima202 | DocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks Doc. I believe you are correct | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 01:01 |
| Macer | haha | 01:02 |
| lcuk | mayfairman, define honky | 01:02 |
| mayfairman | lol, nasty and wierd | 01:03 |
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| lcuk | which part would be weird | 01:05 |
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| Macer | lcuk: fix fremantle | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | qwerty12 wants me to suffer lol | 01:05 |
| Macer | to go into portrait mode | 01:05 |
| Macer | :-P | 01:05 |
| mayfairman | well having been used to the iPhone portrait, it took me a while to get used to the landscape mode, but I wouldnt go back now, it seems much more intuitive | 01:05 |
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| MohammadAG | downloaded the status menu applet source code and it's in vala | 01:06 |
| Macer | i just think the desktop itself looks wrong | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | For a few things portrait is clearly better | 01:06 |
| Macer | being in landscape | 01:06 |
| Macer | :) | 01:06 |
| Macer | like contacts? | 01:06 |
| mayfairman | otherwise would just be another grid list of icons | 01:06 |
| Simona | hello. does anyone know if I can install or is there any openOffice version for Maemo 5 - the version for smartphones? | 01:06 |
| lcuk | macer this isnt about doing anything, im just wondering which part would be "wrong" | 01:07 |
| mayfairman | apps should be able to go portrait, and desktop as an option, defo | 01:07 |
| Macer | mayfairman: i agree | 01:07 |
| Macer | especially contacts | 01:07 |
| Macer | haha | 01:07 |
| mayfairman | lol | 01:07 |
| Macer | people want to grab a phone | 01:07 |
| Macer | and talk | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't. | 01:07 |
| Macer | they have to hold it sideways.. then fli it | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, open phone and select select a contact | 01:07 |
| Macer | flip? :) | 01:07 |
| mayfairman | lcuk: I didnt mean wrong as in wrong, just my set-up would not work in portrait in any way from a desktop POV | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, no, the phone app supports portrait + portrait contacts | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | it's not meant to be a main phone anyways | 01:08 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: yeah i see that... but the actual contacts does not :) | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've spent ~.005% of the time talking on it | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | I bought it since I really don't talk much, and I love linux | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, same :) | 01:08 |
| mayfairman | macer: if you set portrait phone mode on, you can go into select contact and they will be portrait | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | well recently I started making convo (conferences) on skype | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | but that's about it | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | mayfairman, didn't I say that a whole back? | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | s/whole/while | 01:09 |
| mayfairman | with a nifty alphabetical selector as the KB will not be out, obviously, lol | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, portrait mode. Just use rotated-left-90 fontset ;-P | 01:09 |
| mayfairman | Sorry, was attending to nagging child | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | ah DocScrutinizer, you've got a solution to everything :P | 01:10 |
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| * MohammadAG seriously needs a better laptop | 01:12 | |
| MohammadAG | or a bigger HDD | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you've been watching the screen in portrait mode and cursed the missing rotate-left-90 fonts, during those 0.005% of talking? | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no. I was getting over the shock of my internet device making this wierd ringing noise. | 01:12 |
| javispedro | damn noise, now it feels even more bad when I feel the urge to smash it when it rings | 01:13 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: yeah | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I for one have no eyes inside my ears X-P | 01:13 |
| Macer | i think it's just the feel of looking at a desktop on a phone | 01:13 |
| Macer | and wanting to grab it vertically and see the widgets | 01:13 |
| Macer | :) | 01:13 |
| Macer | when you pull it out of your pocket it is easier to just stare at it | 01:14 |
| Macer | insteda you have to put too much though behind it and sure it only takes a second.. but that's a second of life wasted if you just wanted to check the time or the weather | 01:14 |
| mayfairman | lol | 01:14 |
| lcuk | Macer, :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 01:15 |
| mayfairman | right, my Lost is ready, pleasure chatting with you guys | 01:15 |
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| Macer | lcuk: that.. is .. awesome | 01:16 |
| Macer | is that for maemo or mer? | 01:16 |
| Macer | :) | 01:16 |
| Macer | now that is something that would make for an awesome desktop | 01:16 |
| Macer | always able to be read no matter where the phone is heh | 01:17 |
| lcuk | thats liqbase rendering, im trying to work out where and how and what to deal in other places | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: this lost second only happens to me when a call comes in and I need to rotate the device to read who's calling :-) | 01:17 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah that's a bad one too | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | I set it to portrait only | 01:17 |
| Macer | i thought that was horrible haha | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG | when a call comes I know the orientation :) | 01:17 |
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| MohammadAG | I still want the N97 answer screen | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | ------> Answer | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | Unlock <--------- | 01:18 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: where do you set that? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | Macer, do you have windows pc there? | 01:18 |
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| Macer | doesn't the phone app auto rotate? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want dialer in landscape unconditionally | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, phone app, settings, set orientation | 01:18 |
| Macer | i could have sworn i saw an option for that | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, open the keyboard :P | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | now THAT's annoying when pulling out of the belt pouch | 01:19 |
| Macer | i don't see that | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdTj3d148UI | 01:19 |
| lcuk | macer, if you do - i always wanted to fill this with widgets and windows: http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe | 01:19 |
| Macer | i'm sorry. i just can't go with you on that it's a computer with a phone crap ;) | 01:19 |
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| Macer | not having the portrait stuff sucks ass | 01:20 |
| Macer | haha | 01:20 |
| Macer | that is just horrible design and i can't agree with you on that one | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | your ass | 01:20 |
| Macer | :) no offense | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | not mine | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, tap the title bar, select turning control | 01:20 |
| Macer | i did already | 01:20 |
| Macer | but i'm talking overall | 01:20 |
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| Macer | forcing the desktop in landscape saying "this is how a PHONE is going to be" that was a bad idea | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking underwear | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | it wasn't made to be a phone | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | hence no MMS | 01:21 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I just made alarmed support presets both in cli and gui. wont release now though because I don't want to have to explain all the new readers of that thread again how to install it atm now that the repos are broken. not sure if that recent fix fixed the pyside packages as well. | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:21 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: it wasn't meant to be a phone? :) | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | what would happen if I call myself through skype | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, it never was meant to be a phone | 01:22 |
| Macer | but it is | 01:22 |
| Macer | doesn't matter what it was never meant to be | 01:22 |
| Macer | :) | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | ok... | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | you bought it | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | your problem :P | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so hold it till jorg's labs are up and functional again, and it got a decent review :-) | 01:22 |
| lcuk | well its in our hands now :) | 01:23 |
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| Macer | sure is.. like i said tho.. eventually i think it will be fixed | 01:23 |
| lcuk | :) MohammadAG | 01:23 |
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| Macer | because that was a horrible decision by whomever made it | 01:23 |
| Macer | it will be a turn off to many consumers | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | moving away from this conversation... | 01:23 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG i thought you knew some of the uber things ive done over my time and things ive tested along the way | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, sadly, I never was in the community pre-N900 times | 01:24 |
| Macer | lcuk: get that liq thing going on the desktop ;) that would be awesome | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | I never knew maemo was linux | 01:24 |
| Macer | that rotation app was great | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | actually, I never knew what maemo was | 01:24 |
| lcuk | Macer, original n810 version of liqbase has physics view | 01:24 |
| Macer | if you can make a desktop do that it would be awesome | 01:24 |
| lcuk | all it ever lacked was rotate | 01:24 |
| lcuk | it does exactly what that mini app does | 01:24 |
| Macer | wow | 01:24 |
| lcuk | dragging scaling etc | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | I thought the N810 run a Java OS or something | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | I was blinded by Symbian | 01:24 |
| lcuk | now Macer i have just been a bit busy recently - im trying to build nice things using proper tooling and stuff | 01:25 |
| Macer | or android? | 01:26 |
| Macer | lcuk: well let me know when you get something like that going ;) | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | only things I miss from the N97 are the keyboard hinge thing, and the button on the headset | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | I can live without them | 01:26 |
| lcuk | Macer, i think everyone will know :) | 01:26 |
| Macer | it would be so nice to have a desktop that can be put in portrait mode without looking retarded | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | indeed, its something ive discussed quite a bit, but the code is different, work in progress so to speak | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hs button?? | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | macer that windows exe is built in visual basic! | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, volume, next prev track, and a pause button | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah that one | 01:28 |
| lcuk | the liqbase stuff is native raw c | 01:28 |
| lcuk | im getting quite fond of pyqt at the moment | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | but again, I can live without them | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | didn't qwerty12 make an app that makes the end button a pause button? | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what I really miss is a decent voicedial&cmd | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | voice dial was kind of useless for me (names aren' | 01:29 |
| Macer | lcuk: well.. hopefully someone fixed that landscape only idiocy :) like i said. MohammadAG is entitled to his opinion but as far as a phone goes that is bad business sense.. i can honestly live without it if necessary but if anybody asked me how good an n900 is i would tell them that it doesn't go into portrat mode | 01:29 |
| Macer | and i bet money they will not buy it for that fact alone :) | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | t clear in english) | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | damn enter key | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cmd? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | Macer, yes its known | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | ah nvm, voice command | 01:29 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: it got a review? | 01:29 |
| lcuk | but the reasoning MohammadAG gave is sound | 01:29 |
| lcuk | the history of the maemo devices is landscape | 01:30 |
| Macer | but they weren't actual phones | 01:30 |
| Macer | this is | 01:30 |
| Macer | it must adapt :) | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, well when someone asked me if he should get an N900 I told him to get an iPhone | 01:30 |
| lcuk | therefore pretty much every app for it is geared for it - there have been long discussions already | 01:30 |
| lcuk | of course | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | (not kidding btw) | 01:30 |
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| Macer | you can't build an awesome phone with great hardware and an awesome OS that could rival an iphone and make mistakes like that turning it off large demographic | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | problem is, next week he got the N900 and wanted me to add 5 extra desktops | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: it'll get one, as soon as my device is back in my shivering hands | 01:30 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: yes. i would do the same thing ;) | 01:30 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ;) | 01:31 |
| Shapeshifter | poor bastard | 01:31 |
| Macer | i would say "no get an iphone.. this isn't the same thing.." but i would make it a point to show him how it doesn't go into portrait mode and tell them i don't like that about it | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, btw I didn't say that cause the iPhone is better | 01:31 |
| lcuk | Macer, its not turned you off - its a hackers dream device :) | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | it's cause I know he'll annoy me with stuff about it | 01:31 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i don't think the iphone is better tbh ;) | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | it isn't | 01:31 |
| MohammadAG | a friend bought one | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | he told me it was over hyped | 01:32 |
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| MohammadAG | went into the so called app store | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | most apps are paid | 01:32 |
| Macer | it is.. my gf had one a while back and it was meh | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | and 3/4 are fart apps | 01:32 |
| Macer | i mean it was nice eye candy and great for people who only read email and browse the web | 01:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, come on, its not that bad | 01:32 |
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| MohammadAG | well 1/4 | 01:32 |
| Macer | but real use is not that good for someone expecting a handheld computer :) | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, it is | 01:32 |
| Macer | n900 is great | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | well at least the IL store | 01:32 |
| lcuk | not even that - choice variety | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about the US/UK ones | 01:32 |
| Macer | but that landscape only thing is a major turn off | 01:32 |
| Macer | heh | 01:32 |
| Macer | anyways. going to tweak it a bit more | 01:33 |
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| Macer | ttyl | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, one question, how are 18+ allowed on it? | 01:33 |
| lcuk | ? | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | cya :) | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the app store | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | there are about 10 18+ apps in the top list | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | ? i dunno | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | I was kind of surprised | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | (not making fun), but a lot of young kids buy iPhones | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | a lot of kids lie about hteir age then | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:36 |
| lcuk | i thought apple had strict controls on AO stuff | 01:36 |
| lcuk | their | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | I guess IL has different policies (w/e they're called) | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | sec lemme get a name of an app | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | found it | 01:38 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, im vanishing | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | to keep logs clean I /noticed it | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, off to bed? | 01:38 |
| lcuk | * Frequent/Intense Mature/Suggestive Themes | 01:39 |
| lcuk | * Frequent/Intense Sexual Content or Nudity | 01:39 |
| lcuk | * Frequent/Intense Profanity or Crude Humor | 01:39 |
| * javispedro knows at least one person to whom he recommended an iphone but got an n900 instead and was impressed by it -- the browser specially | 01:39 | |
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| lcuk | no wonder its top of the list | 01:39 |
| lcuk | but i tohught iphone banned that? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: do me a favour and abandon that portrait topic now! | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | that's what I'm asking about | 01:39 |
| javispedro | s/iphone/brand X feature phone | 01:39 |
| dima202 | There is no skype with camera support for maemo 5 correct? | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, anyone can sign up for the app store | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, no | 01:40 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, we had. | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG | (but the account needs a windows/mac to PC to be activated) | 01:40 |
| lcuk | it had moved onto mature suggestive themes | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | anyway, im offski | 01:43 |
| lcuk | gnite maemo \o | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: but there's *decent* voip with cam support | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | Gnite lcuk | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | dima202: called SIP | 01:44 |
| dima202 | :) | 01:45 |
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| dima202 | I have free sip using gvoice with sipsorcery and sipgate | 01:46 |
| dima202 | But thats for voice only | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, sipgate etc are only the exchange, you can do video-SIP with virtually every provider, given the far end has a compatible video implementation | 01:49 |
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| _hc | hey all, I'm still on a Nokia N810, I was wondering whether anyone knows a way to make it so that new instant messages automatically open up a new window, rather than just putting the alert in the lower left corner | 01:50 |
| dima202 | DocScrutinizer: very interesting! | 01:50 |
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| dima202 | But how can I tell SIP i am making a video call? | 01:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thought there's been a videocall button in dialer or sth like that? | 01:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it simply always tries to establish a RTP videostream in parallel to the VoIP RTP audio? | 01:57 |
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| Macer | t | 02:00 |
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| nokeya_ | hi | 02:14 |
| nokeya_ | i just bought my n900 and i have stumble already. i cannot see what i type in password boxes. i have done all the latest updates. can i get help here?... thanks | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | unfortunately, it's a 'feature' - you mean in the browser? | 02:17 |
| nokeya_ | yes in the browser the password box only show stars.... thanks | 02:17 |
| nokeya_ | i cant log in to im or websites | 02:18 |
| microlith | not actually displaying your password is expected behavior, no? | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6598 | 02:19 |
| povbot | Bug 6598: Browser should display passwords one character at a time like other applications | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | see that | 02:19 |
| nokeya_ | on my n97 i can see what i type for a brief period then replace by a star but not so on n900 | 02:19 |
| microlith | ahh | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: yes - but it's broken | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | microlith: it makes arguable sense on a desktop. Lots less on a phone | 02:20 |
| loft306 | nokeya_ mine seems to show passwd as i type it then turns to stars | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | aha | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | that bug claims it's fixed in 1.2 | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | which is coming out real soon now | 02:21 |
| yuizy_ | yeah sure | 02:21 |
| nokeya_ | hhhmmmmm so that means that i cant login in to nothing till the fix arrives | 02:21 |
| nokeya_ | 500 bucks on a phone that cant login to anything | 02:22 |
| nokeya_ | man... tell me this is not true | 02:22 |
| nokeya_ | please | 02:22 |
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| microlith | I'd say pebcak, honestly | 02:23 |
| yuizy_ | type correctly? | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | nokeya_, where are you typing password into | 02:24 |
| frals | lol what | 02:24 |
| nokeya_ | how do you guys login in to stuff like FB, msn, sites ? | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | nokeya_: I find no great problem typing passwords with numbers, letters, and caps in | 02:24 |
| frals | i type my password in, its not rocket science to use the keyboard | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | nokeya_: it is a bit fiddly, and you do actually have to take care, but it's quite possible | 02:24 |
| lcuk | nokeya_, you are more than likely having a problem because the default text input is set to auto capitalize the first letter | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | nokeya_: what's your facebook password? | 02:24 |
| loft306 | geuss i newer noticed an issue then | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | thanks speedevil | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - what sort | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | ahahahahaha | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | ok | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | sorry | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | do you have wierd symbols? | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | mix case | 02:25 |
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| nokeya_ | 10 char¤ long | 02:25 |
| nokeya_ | characters | 02:25 |
| lcuk | nokeya_, in the Settings, you can set "Auto-capitalization" in the text settings | 02:25 |
| loft306 | though the aute cap the first letter drives me nuts sometimes when i forget bout it | 02:25 |
| lcuk | it is most likely making you type a capital letter at first | 02:25 |
| lcuk | its the default behaviour | 02:25 |
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| nokeya_ | thnx lcuk | 02:26 |
| lcuk | i have it disabled | 02:26 |
| lcuk | but other shave it on | 02:26 |
| loft306 | i will in a moment | 02:26 |
| lcuk | others have | 02:26 |
| microlith | I've never hit a mis-typed password due to autocaps | 02:26 |
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| nokeya_ | u guys must be real good to type passwrod blind...... my e90, n95, n95 spoilt me | 02:27 |
| nokeya_ | typo "password" | 02:27 |
| microlith | I do it every day on my desktop machines... | 02:27 |
| nokeya_ | desktop is not the same though | 02:28 |
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| microlith | slightly different key order, but essentially the same | 02:28 |
| nokeya_ | numbers and letters have their own dedicated keys | 02:28 |
| loft306 | its fun with special keys | 02:28 |
| lcuk | nokeya_, you seem to have trouble typing anyway | 02:28 |
| lcuk | :p | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/ | 02:28 |
| nokeya_ | hahahahahahahaha thx lcuk | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | shove maemo on it and I'll buy it now | 02:29 |
| toresbe | now that | 02:29 |
| toresbe | is a bad keyboard | 02:29 |
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| toresbe | MohammadAG: isn't that basically an N900? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | with double the RAM :) | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | and a compass (but seriously, do I need one) | 02:30 |
| toresbe | yeah, and sans the DSP | 02:30 |
| nokeya_ | ok thx for the help guys im gonna go "typing blind training" ................ i love n900 to much be be here with you lot............ till my next problem... peace | 02:31 |
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| microlith | I wonder if that thing's OLED is a PenTile display | 02:31 |
| lcuk | nokeya_, you could just stick around | 02:32 |
| lcuk | and help the next person who comes in typing blind :p | 02:32 |
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| frals | doh i know what i forgot to add to the ux improvement list | 02:33 |
| frals | need button to take the log file and mail it to me from within the ui with one press | 02:33 |
| lcuk | "fullscreen photograph of *FAVORITE_CELEB*" | 02:33 |
| nokeya_ | no worries i leave it logged in....... ill check in from time to time.....thx again | 02:33 |
| lcuk | email not always available - but a sub submission would be practical | 02:34 |
| lcuk | or even just do the copy and put it onto clipboard | 02:34 |
| frals | could put up a form on my webserver where it can upload it | 02:34 |
| frals | and ill just make it upload it from within the app hmm | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | frals, its easier to understand users having net access than it is to have mail subsystem configured | 02:35 |
| Proteous | when I type in my password all I see is stars | 02:35 |
| Proteous | Hunder2 | 02:35 |
| Proteous | Hunter2 | 02:35 |
| lcuk | afterall - one of the use cases for mms in the first places was - dont like email | 02:35 |
| Proteous | see it's just all ******** | 02:35 |
| frals | ye lcuk | 02:36 |
| * lcuk uses **** as password in some places | 02:37 | |
| frals | time to figure out how to get something out of strace now then to see what my daemon is doing | 02:37 |
| Proteous | http://bash.org/?244321 | 02:38 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: did you HL me yesterday? | 02:44 |
| frals | so, if strace doesnt print anything, my app should be pretty idle right? | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | just means it doesn't make any system calls that strace monitors | 02:46 |
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| crashanddie | frals: tried ltrace? | 02:50 |
| frals | crashanddie: will do, thanks | 02:51 |
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| crashanddie | bloody hell | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | nearly all flights are resuming in Europe | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | except for fucking Qantas, who are still not allowing planes to take off | 02:55 |
| Macer | hm | 02:55 |
| Macer | is ther a video recording app? | 02:55 |
| crashanddie | Macer: the camera app records video | 02:55 |
| Macer | hm | 02:55 |
| Macer | i was looking where you set it but can't find it | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't the N900 come with a manual? | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | second icon | 02:56 |
| Macer | oh | 02:56 |
| Macer | found it :) | 02:56 |
| Macer | MohammadAG: i got it for $200 without one | 02:56 |
| Macer | everything brand new except the manual was gone | 02:56 |
| frals | crashanddie: i have a feeling ltrace did not enjoy being attached to a python script | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, excuses excuses excuses... http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/guides/Nokia_N900_UG_en.pdf | 02:58 |
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| crashanddie | frals: right | 02:59 |
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| Macer | haha | 03:00 |
| Macer | love the lens cover :) | 03:00 |
| Macer | nice touch heh | 03:00 |
| Macer | other than that landscape only mode for 90% of everything.. it's the best damn phone ever :) | 03:00 |
| Macer | heh | 03:00 |
| Proteous | landscape only > phone randomly switching modes when you slightly tilt it | 03:01 |
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| Macer | have a threshold setting ;) | 03:03 |
| Macer | that video lcuk showed me was awesome | 03:04 |
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| Macer | i wouldn't mind eveything on teh desktop pointing up all the time no matter what position the phone is in :) | 03:04 |
| Macer | but at least being able to change the desktop from landscape would be nice.. even if it were just a checkbox option.. the phone ringing sideways is fail :) | 03:06 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: it's not about treshold | 03:06 |
| crashanddie | Macer: it's about precision | 03:06 |
| Macer | and most people don't put their phone in their pocket sideways when they want to just glance at it for something | 03:07 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: the phone doesn't ring sideways, it rings in landscape when the keyboard is open, and in portrait when keyboard is closed | 03:07 |
| Macer | other than that though. it's the best damn thing ever :) | 03:07 |
| Macer | oooooh... ok.. then i am sorry. | 03:07 |
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| crashanddie | yada yada yada, blog about it | 03:08 |
| Macer | heh | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | benh: g'day | 03:08 |
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| benh | hi | 03:08 |
| Macer | still would like a portrait desktop for glancing and flip when kb opens.. screw it.. let me file a bug hahahaha | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | Macer: there's already plenty of bugs | 03:08 |
| crashanddie | Macer: please don't start flooding the bugtacker with useless requests 6 months after the battle | 03:09 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zoxx2hnIK0&NR=1 | 03:10 |
| Macer | that looks like it would be handy | 03:10 |
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| Macer | ah so there was a concensus huh? that sucks. :/ | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | Holly sugar | 03:11 |
| Proteous | if you want something that flips between portrait and landscape a lot I'll sell you my n97 | 03:11 |
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| Macer | ;) | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | MSFT stands at $275 billion. AAPL stands at $234 billion. | 03:12 |
| Macer | not really flips .. but a setting woud be nice | 03:12 |
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| Macer | i'm going to get aircrack-ng and test it on the work wifi | 03:12 |
| Macer | lol | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | there's no packet injection | 03:13 |
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| parim | crashanddie: cant you plugin a external adapter using usb host mode? assuming that the adapter supports packet injection. | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | parim: there is no usb host mode. | 03:16 |
| dima202 | cool, i just tried the remote control (qtirreco) it works great | 03:16 |
| dima202 | I had to combine 2 remote codes to make it work for my tv because my model was not listed | 03:17 |
| dima202 | But the fact that it works is pretty cool | 03:17 |
| dima202 | Wish it had an infrared receiver to record codes for my no-name amplifier | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | dima202: it has receiver | 03:18 |
| b-man17 | one interesting thing i learned this morning: apparently in Michigan it is illegal to connect to a public wireless access point provided by a business or resident unless he/she is in the building providing the wireless service LOL | 03:18 |
| dima202 | crashanddie: i know :( | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | b-man17: wait, what? | 03:18 |
| crashanddie | dima202: why unhappy? It does have a receiver! | 03:19 |
| dima202 | crashanddie: nope on tranciever | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | b-man17, and he/she refers to the person providing the wireless service, or to the person using the wireless service? | 03:19 |
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| dima202 | only* | 03:19 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: in michigan it is apparently illegal to tap onto a public access point unless your in the building providing it xD | 03:19 |
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| crashanddie | b-man17: ridiculous | 03:19 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: indeed! | 03:19 |
| * b-man17 is glad he lives in ohio xD | 03:20 | |
| dima202 | b-man17: lol, but what about packet sniffing and injection attacks? your not really connected to it | 03:20 |
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| dima202 | That's legal right? | 03:20 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: apparently it's a 3rd degree felony if you break that law xDDDDD | 03:21 |
| crashanddie | dima202: no, it has both a receiver and transmitter. It's called a transceiver | 03:21 |
| parim | no usb host mode on the n900 :( | 03:21 |
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| crashanddie | dima202: in injection mode you are connected to it | 03:22 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: apparently, if you were caught taping onto a public hotspot from your car, you can get 5 years O_o | 03:22 |
| b-man17 | not kidding | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 03:23 |
| b-man17 | MohammadAG: wtf indeed | 03:23 |
| dima202 | crashanddie: i'm trying to confirm if it is a tranciever and not just a transmitter that would be awesome | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | dima202: I'll bet you $10 | 03:24 |
| parim | dima202: all wifi devices are transcivers | 03:24 |
| crashanddie | parim: we're talking about infrared | 03:24 |
| b-man17 | crashhanddie: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9722006-7.html - an example | 03:25 |
| parim | crashanddie: i am sorry | 03:25 |
| b-man17 | "Michigan man dodges prison in theft of Wi-Fi" :P | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | b-man17: technically speaking, under Michigan law, using wifi is a crime | 03:26 |
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| b-man17 | rofl | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following: Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28o00lhhyrkec1fu22v5iaje45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-752-795 | 03:26 |
| b-man17 | damn | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia N810 charger (850mA) connected to N900 via the charge adapter.. 500mA reaches N900 :-) | 03:26 |
| ShadowJK | N900 battery | 03:26 |
| * b-man17 is really glad he lives in ohio xDD | 03:26 | |
| * dima202 is really glad he lives in New yORK | 03:27 | |
| crashanddie | MIT must be happy they didn't go for Michigan :p | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | "--a practice known as piggybacking--" | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | known by *who* as piggybacking? | 03:27 |
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| crashanddie | Can you imagine all the MIT undergrads getting arrested every weekend? | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: well, piggybacking is quite a common term when you're into wardriving | 03:28 |
| ds3 | imagine all the jobs it would create just to process it | 03:28 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: those jails would be filled in a week xD | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | I can imagine the hardcore criminals "Lube up boys, the weekend entertainment has arrived" | 03:28 |
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| * Openfree is away: I'm busy | 03:30 | |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: unsecured access points in office buildings are illegal apparently too | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | Openfree: I don't care, deactivate your automated status messages or be quieted. First warning. | 03:30 |
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| parim | b-man17: so using a verizon mifi is illegial? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | I hate those little whiny bitches on TMO who just can't get things right. "there was maemo 4 and the internet tablets n810 n800 and going back further the n770" | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | Wrong, Maemo 4 never ran on the 770, and there IS NO SUCH THING AS A "n770" | 03:31 |
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| b-man17 | parim: in Michigan, if your not *in* the business providing the service, yup | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | you're | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | seriously, one apostrophe and one extra letter, please go the extra mile, thanks | 03:32 |
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| parim | b-man17: i see. | 03:33 |
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| b-man17 | parim: in the case of a mobile hotspot, an officer might approach you and ask you to put a WPA2 encryption on it lol | 03:36 |
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| crashanddie | Openfree: Second warning. Remove your auto-away script or I will quiet you. | 03:48 |
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| dima202 | I don't think it's possible to record remote control codes on the n900. from what i'm reading everyone is using an external device ie laptop with ir reciever or desktop with usb ir | 03:53 |
| ShadowJK | n900 doesn't have a IR receiver | 03:54 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: sure it does | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: it's the same chip | 03:56 |
| ShadowJK | What chip... | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's not IrDA complaint... | 03:56 |
| MohammadAG | meaning it doesn't receive | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | There's an IR led connected to a 38kHz PWM connected to a GPIO | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | ^ trouble | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 03:57 |
| ShadowJK | even if the package with the IR LED would also contain a IR sensitive receiver component, which it doesn't, there's no wiring going back | 03:58 |
| crashanddie | why am I confused then? | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | I remember the IR-networking discussions at the Summit? | 03:59 |
| ShadowJK | blind leading the blind | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | apologies then | 04:00 |
| crashanddie | dima202: looks like ShadowJK ows you $10 then. | 04:01 |
| ShadowJK | even if there was a receiver, IR networking would be very slow and CPU intensive | 04:02 |
| dima202 | does he now? | 04:03 |
| ds3 | what about using the proximity detector as a IR receiver? | 04:03 |
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| Arkenoi | but there are devices with no wireless except irda | 04:03 |
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| ShadowJK | because it's basically just this infrared flashlight, modulated at 38KHz, that you can switch on and off. When you switch it on and off with correct timing of the duration on and off, it looks exactly like a remote control | 04:04 |
| ShadowJK | and you just need to send 2 bytes or so, and the speed is lowish.. somewhere around 30 - 120 bytes per second | 04:05 |
| ShadowJK | it'd take over a second to transmit this line of chat :P | 04:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I'd assume the proximity sensor emitter, and the camera door sensor emitter have modulated signal too so that random infrared light doesn't get mistaken for a return | 04:10 |
| ShadowJK | whether that's on the same frequency as the CIR I dunno :) | 04:11 |
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| dima202 | Very interestin read on IR thanks :) | 04:14 |
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| crashanddie | Well, interesting for anyone who hasn't taken high-school level electronics, I assume | 04:16 |
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| b-man17 | crashanddie: there are some people at my school who don't even know what a transistor is rofl | 04:17 |
| dima202 | I haven't but I am studying radio frequencies a HAM radio license so I knew some stuff | 04:17 |
| crashanddie | b-man17: "it's what they use in radios, right?" | 04:17 |
| crashanddie | dneary: still stranded in SFO? | 04:18 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: pretty much that response :) | 04:18 |
| * b-man17 has been tinkering with electronic components since he was 2 | 04:19 | |
| crashanddie | So almost 10 years? Nice. | 04:19 |
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| b-man17 | well, more like 15 ;P | 04:19 |
| * b-man17 is 17 :P | 04:20 | |
| crashanddie | Considering that at age 2, you're starting to realise that you and your mother aren't the same person, and your mind has to cope with understanding that when your mother leaves you alone, she isn't dying, I'd call BOLLOCKS on that statement;) | 04:20 |
| crashanddie | Also, you can't remember anything from before age 3-4, so... | 04:21 |
| dima202 | I can't remember anything from age of 13 | 04:21 |
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| dima202 | <- 22 | 04:21 |
| crashanddie | dima202: that's because you only did one thing; same all other kids your age: MASTURBATION. | 04:21 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: that's a theory | 04:22 |
| crashanddie | b-man17: no, it's a fact. | 04:22 |
| b-man17 | crashanddie: you can't read my mind - how do you know? :P | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | It's called childhood amensia, and everyone suffers from it | 04:23 |
| crashanddie | http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/096582199387913 | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | Also: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8315398 | 04:25 |
| crashanddie | I can probably dig up another 20 links regarding CA, but I doubt you have the subscriptions to read them ;) | 04:26 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Until Saturday | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | dneary: when were you supposed to come back? | 04:26 |
| dneary | crashanddie, By the time I could rebook my flight there was a week-long backlog | 04:26 |
| dneary | crashanddie, I was due to fly out last Saturday | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | dneary: you're not with HSBC by any chance? | 04:26 |
| crashanddie | dneary: HSBC is extending their travel insurance so people who were affected by the eruption can claim hotels and such back. | 04:27 |
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| crashanddie | dneary: I'm flying back saturday next week. Anyway, good luck and try to enjoy your extra stay in SF a tiny bit at least. It really is a crappy airport, but the city is nice. | 04:29 |
| dneary | HSBC the bank? | 04:29 |
| dneary | No | 04:29 |
| crashanddie | dneary: yeah | 04:29 |
| dneary | Where are you stuck? | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | Ozzie | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | je reviens vivre en France :) | 04:30 |
| dneary | I'm in a pretty cheap hotel, and the Linux Foundation are helping. It's all the incidentals (transport, food & drink) that is the killer. | 04:30 |
| crashanddie | Well, I guess that for an irishman drinks must be expensive indeed :P | 04:31 |
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| crashanddie | There's always ramen noodles. | 04:31 |
| ds3 | McD | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | ds3: I think ramen noodles is actually healthier than McD | 04:32 |
| GAN900 | lol | 04:32 |
| GAN900 | Doubt it | 04:32 |
| GAN900 | Depends on what you order. | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: yeah but you're american, your sense of taste and health is biased towards McD anyway :P | 04:34 |
| GAN900 | Ew | 04:34 |
| GAN900 | no | 04:34 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: so, you used your passport yet? | 04:40 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, um, BCN? | 04:53 |
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| crashanddie | ah, yes | 04:54 |
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| MohammadAG | night ppl :) | 04:55 |
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| [Revolt] | hello | 05:05 |
| crashanddie | hi [Revolt] | 05:07 |
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| lcukn900 | mmm how do i reorder bookmarks for browser? | 05:09 |
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| GAN900 | lcukn900, you don't. | 05:11 |
| GAN900 | lcukn900, go stab the UI people. | 05:11 |
| [Revolt] | im trying to chat using "irc plugin support for conversations" but seems i need help (now using xchat) | 05:12 |
| lcukn900 | but they werent in the same place before o_O | 05:12 |
| lcukn900 | my playboy most popular context videos link is on front page now lol | 05:12 |
| lcukn900 | contest | 05:13 |
| lcukn900 | :D | 05:13 |
| [Revolt] | can anybody help me?how can i join into a chanel? i try "chat with", them type maemo... | 05:14 |
| lcukn900 | revolt use xchat afaik conversations isnt geared for group chat | 05:15 |
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| lcukn900 | it works best when you have a friend on irc, not when you want to sit in many chans chatting | 05:16 |
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| lcukn900 | gan900 your finger work last week was amazing | 05:16 |
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| lcukn900 | im so slow at typing on it | 05:17 |
| [Revolt] | lcukn900 so only for private messages? not for channels like this? | 05:17 |
| lcukn900 | revolt not personally tried but thats the mojo i know. if you find out different cool | 05:17 |
| lcukn900 | i have to move playboy somewhere (its aerobo | 05:18 |
| pupnik | ? | 05:19 |
| lcukn900 | ics n stuff - tis cool | 05:19 |
| lcukn900 | pupnik i reflashed and my bookmark link has moved | 05:19 |
| pupnik | ah | 05:19 |
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| lcukn900 | it used to be near bottom now its on top | 05:19 |
| [Revolt] | xD thanks for the advice. i try typing #maemo, /join maemo, /join maemo in the "chat with" window but... incorrect xD | 05:20 |
| lcukn900 | #maemo btw | 05:20 |
| pupnik | /join #maemo | 05:22 |
| [Revolt] | only maemo without # opens a new window but nothing. i cant see the conversations and my posts in conversations cant be seen here in the xchat client | 05:22 |
| pupnik | i dont understand | 05:23 |
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| [Revolt] | pupnik im trying to use the "irc protocol plugin for conversations and contacts" | 05:25 |
| pupnik | that seems to be useful mainly for private messages | 05:25 |
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| lcukn900 | then /msg yourself | 05:25 |
| [Revolt] | but cant be able to make it work | 05:25 |
| lcukn900 | and see if that works afaik it opens msg window | 05:25 |
| lcukn900 | to one person | 05:25 |
| lcukn900 | a pm | 05:26 |
| lcukn900 | gah i should be sleeping | 05:26 |
| lcukn900 | nite | 05:26 |
| pupnik | nite | 05:26 |
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| [Revolt] | yes it works with private messages but not with channels :-( | 05:27 |
| [Revolt] | so... bit useless | 05:28 |
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| pupnik | [Revolt]: Irc isnt an IM system really | 05:29 |
| [Revolt] | i see the program in the repository and i think Wonderful! xD but my expectatives may be a bit high | 05:32 |
| [Revolt] | xD and sorry for my english. i know... awful! | 05:32 |
| pupnik | np redoubtable | 05:34 |
| pupnik | oops | 05:34 |
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| [Revolt] | any of you guys know how to erase the cache of the video player? i rename some videos but the player are still showing the old names and i cannot open them | 05:40 |
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| pupnik | the video player shows you some imaginary system | 05:41 |
| [Revolt] | ? | 05:41 |
| pupnik | good luck with it matching what you have on device | 05:41 |
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| GAN900 | lcukn900, I'm amazing, I know. :P | 05:43 |
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| [Revolt] | its supposed that it should autorefresh the list but it doesnt happen | 05:44 |
| pupnik | yes | 05:45 |
| [Revolt] | when i try to open the video, says unsupported format. and them ALL formats are unsupported (avi, mp3...) and i have to reboot | 05:46 |
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| [Revolt] | i know that there's a bug but my videos are playable in the device before i rename them, so... | 05:47 |
| [Revolt] | if you know where is the cache, the thumbnails folder or whatever related to the video player... | 05:48 |
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| Macer | yeah this n900 is great | 06:36 |
| Macer | i love the damn thing.. i can deal with the sidewaysness heh | 06:37 |
| Macer | no sftp app tho... i remember maemo4 having one | 06:37 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: server or client? | 06:41 |
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| * thomaz can't wait til always portrait mode on n900 | 06:46 | |
| crashanddie | thomaz: if it ever comes | 06:47 |
| crashanddie | thomaz: quite frankly, I'd rather there is a solid framework that allows apps to leverage it if required, rather than a dodgy one-size-fits-all implementation that breaks all the apps | 06:47 |
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| thomaz | i mean not in the application, but in the main menu/phone/contacts/etc. | 06:48 |
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| Macer | crashanddie: client | 06:52 |
| Macer | it has sftp | 06:52 |
| Macer | but sftp is limited | 06:52 |
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| Macer | i want a ui sftp client. maemo had one | 06:53 |
| Macer | forgot what it was called. has been a while | 06:53 |
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| crashanddie | proftpd? :P | 07:03 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 07:16 |
| crashanddie | on the meego mailing list: "Releasing a new version of MeeGo every 6 months is never going to work. Do you honestly believe Intel would be so succesful if they tried to release new CPUs every 6 months?" | 07:17 |
| microlith | that's a good one | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | the reply has "don't try to bullshit your way through a mailing list populated by Intel people" written all over it | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | "Intel has been release CPUs every 6 months for ages, and that's why it's so succesful" | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | s/release/releasing/ | 07:18 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: "Intel has been releasing CPUs every 6 months for ages, and that's why it's so succesful" | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | (paraphraseD) | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck portrait. Do you have portrait (9:16) moni on your desktop? Would you want to watch a whole A4 or us-letter page in a 3'5 WVGA? | 07:20 |
| pupnik | lol | 07:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "but I'm used to phone being portrait, and I think this *should* be considered a phone" | 07:22 |
| pupnik | it is a device. with many features | 07:23 |
| Ken-Young | Portrait makes it easier to hold. | 07:23 |
| microlith | wow | 07:23 |
| microlith | I look back at engadget and dell shit out an entire line of mobiles | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's exactly ONE 'good' reason I heard, for portrait. Was something with US Americans, and pr0n | 07:24 |
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| crashanddie | microlith: holy shit | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: I'm frequently using the kickstart like a finger ring - extrremely convenient to hold | 07:27 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 07:28 |
| crashanddie | that didn't make any sense DocScrutinizer | 07:28 |
| crashanddie | s/kickstart like a/kickstand with my/ | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sorry, I'll help you out. | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: put the device in your left palm. now look where the kickstart is | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah sorry | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | how can I get a contact's name by phone number? | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | python | 07:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was down | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | repost, sorry for double sends | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sorry, I'll help you out. | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: put the device in your left palm. now look where the kickstart is | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah sorry | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/start/stand | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | amiga alzheimer | 07:33 |
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| pupnik | hah | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah? | 07:41 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping talk.maemo.org | 08:05 |
| infobot | pong talk.maemo.org | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | ~status talk.maemo.org | 08:05 |
| crashanddie | ~up talk.maemo.org | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:09 |
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| crashanddie | moin | 08:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nslookup talk.maemo.org | 08:14 |
| infobot | talk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.247 | 08:14 |
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| RST38h | moorning Stskeeps, crash, infobot | 08:22 |
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| RST38h | "Google is adding store interiors to Street View." | 08:24 |
| RST38h | (can we get a BFG9000 with that?) | 08:24 |
| Ken-Young | Home interiors is coming next. | 08:24 |
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| MiXu- | lol | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 08:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 08:27 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 08:32 |
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| BusterB | Any tips on doing the browser history gesture more successfully? It always takes me at least two tries. | 08:35 |
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| BusterB | Gesture is right (off screen) to left. | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | BusterB: timeless told me it depends on how exact it is done, and on pressure | 08:36 |
| BusterB | I can always get the other gesture for mouse mode first try. | 08:37 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: Tim removed the bot? | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | (like "more pressure means stylus and stylus needs to be more exact" - or the other way round) | 08:37 |
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| BusterB | Whats the exact method doc? | 08:38 |
| BusterB | oic | 08:38 |
| BusterB | My fingernail gives me better success rates as well. | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nail==stylus, for that behalf | 08:40 |
| BusterB | I wish it was as easy as the cursor mode gesture | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk to timeless_mbp | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cursor mode takes a 45° angle and still it works | 08:43 |
| Gh0sty | starting to like the device even tough the present software flaws on the phone functionality | 08:44 |
| Gh0sty | a friend developer said he is going to buy one too but he'll probably start rewriting maemo from the core ... | 08:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 08:46 |
| Gh0sty | he already talked like i want to change the kernel ... | 08:46 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: GLWT | 08:46 |
| RST38h | Good luck on that | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: please be sure he's aware Maemo is not open source and there are no specs with which to write it from scratch | 08:46 |
| RST38h | crash: ouch. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: 'not fully' | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:46 |
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| Gh0sty | nono the kernel for example | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | but besides that, yes | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: nothing is ever fully closed | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: ? | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: the kernel is open | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | AFAIK | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: doesn't this mean there's no systems you can use :P | 08:47 |
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| RST38h | crash: | 08:47 |
| RST38h | <crashanddie> Gh0sty: GLWT | 08:47 |
| RST38h | > Good luck on that | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ? | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | heh | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 08:47 |
| * Stskeeps needs coffee | 08:47 | |
| Gh0sty | and trust me if i say ... if the guy says things like that ... he is not kidding ... | 08:47 |
| * luke-jr needs sleep | 08:47 | |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: can I ask you a favour? | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: send him here to chat with me first :p | 08:48 |
| Gh0sty | i even offered him some money to make me some soft | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffee - a brilliant idea | 08:48 |
| Gh0sty | but he wants to doe it for free for me | 08:48 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: seriously, don't understimate the quality of the developers that have attempted what you are talking about | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: yeah, we probably all remember your talk with crashanddie from a few days ago | 08:49 |
| Gh0sty | as said the guy is passionate about what he is doing | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: not more than I am, I bet | 08:49 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: it is deeply insulting when you come here, and say "I know a guy who's going to rewrite Maemo" | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, good luck with that | 08:50 |
| * luke-jr doesn't think so. | 08:50 | |
| luke-jr | just naive | 08:50 |
| * Stskeeps nearly went mad | 08:50 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:50 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: no i did not mean it like that ... | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: because frankly, if the guy is such a pompous prat that he believes he can estimate the workload of rewriting the core of Maemo just by looking at the device | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | the well, as soon as he arrives here, he's going to get one single reception: he can fuck right off. | 08:50 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: no i did not mean it like that ... | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: it's entirely possible except that Nokia has the hardware interfaces closed | 08:51 |
| Gh0sty | what timzone are you from? | 08:51 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I don't doubt the technical possibility, however I know the state of affairs, and realise how impossible and arrogant for someone to assert things like that without knowing them | 08:52 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: ok i admit it sounds outrageous and i can sound a bit over the top | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: oh, did you see the modem speech part was opened? | 08:52 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, excellent news | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: it's because Nokia gives people the impression that it's open | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: meego celluar, libcmtspeech | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | (sp) | 08:52 |
| Gh0sty | ok hes not going to rewrite everything there you are right | 08:52 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: did you ever get more info regarding the gpu driver? | 08:52 |
| Gh0sty | but he has been playing a couple of days with it and is going to buy one too soon | 08:53 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: if he means 'run Gentoo', you can say 'run Gentoo' | 08:54 |
| Gh0sty | but as said the guy is passionate about coding and i believe strongly if he says things like that ... | 08:54 |
| Gh0sty | he is not kidding | 08:54 |
| Gh0sty | nono not that | 08:54 |
| RST38h | Ok. | 08:54 |
| Gh0sty | hes also a debian guy | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, N900 is last year's news at best | 08:55 |
| RST38h | Gh0sty: Once he rewrites Maemo from scratch, come back and show off. | 08:55 |
| Gh0sty | which timezone luke-jr | 08:55 |
| RST38h | 'cause talk is cheap and so are ideas. | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: for n8x0? it got released, burden's on our side now | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: all timezones | 08:55 |
| Gh0sty | you here in say ... | 08:55 |
| Gh0sty | 5h from now? | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | no | 08:56 |
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| Gh0sty | its 8am currently here | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | I'm not even here now really | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | 1 AM here | 08:56 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 08:56 |
| Gh0sty | but you sleep sometimes? | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | now. | 08:56 |
| RST38h | he is asleep right now, and you are his nightmare. | 08:57 |
| Gh0sty | or you are actually a machine | 08:57 |
| RST38h | so, be quiet. | 08:57 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 08:57 |
| * RST38h goes to work | 08:57 | |
| thresh | you bastard | 08:57 |
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| Gh0sty | and i mean not that i have to validate his doing ... | 08:58 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: GMT + 10 here | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | nah nvm its just going to sound like bragging | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | the guy is not like that | 08:59 |
| Gh0sty | its just me giving a bad impression of him right now | 09:00 |
| crashanddie | you talk too much | 09:00 |
| crashanddie | drugs will do that to you | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:00 |
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| Gh0sty | well actually you are right | 09:00 |
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| Gh0sty | i am on drugs ... | 09:00 |
| crashanddie | Not surprising, considering the claims you hold. | 09:01 |
| Gh0sty | so you are right | 09:01 |
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| crashanddie | Also: La Rue Ketanou - Tu Parles Trop comes to mind. | 09:01 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TpVD7sZUbY | 09:01 |
| Gh0sty | but the claims even tough bold are i think partially valid | 09:01 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: yes, but that's like saying that Dinosaurs never lived because an asteroid killed them | 09:02 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | The claim is partially true, however completely false overall. | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | what part is true? | 09:02 |
| mece | what is who claiming, and why? | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | well, according to one theory, the asteroid part. | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 09:03 |
| * luke-jr sends an asteroid Gh0sty's way | 09:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | get a coffe, or a nap, gentlemen. Whatever meets your mood best | 09:03 |
| Gh0sty | no lets say in his spare time but also for work he also developped on iphone, arm devices, amd geode ... for example | 09:03 |
| TigerTael | wtf guys | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: stfu | 09:03 |
| Gh0sty | ok | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: so did every nerd teenager in his basement | 09:03 |
| Gh0sty | as said i will invite him here | 09:04 |
| crashanddie | wtf TigerTael? | 09:04 |
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| mece | so wtf is the topic? | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | the topic is wtf | 09:04 |
| mece | well duh | 09:04 |
| Gh0sty | and sorry but i'm indeed on drugs | 09:04 |
| mece | is that the topics? | 09:04 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: IRC logs are valid in court I think | 09:04 |
| Gh0sty | no not the illegal type | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:04 |
| morefish_ | ritalin? | 09:05 |
| mece | LOL | 09:05 |
| Gh0sty | cortisone | 09:05 |
| Pforce | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7zty5Kg7g | 09:05 |
| Pforce | check that out :) | 09:05 |
| Pforce | 3D stuff with ogre | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | did it eat you? | 09:05 |
| TigerTael | Morning all you guys! :D | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | TigerTael: morning | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | and night | 09:06 |
| mece | Pforce, Ogre3d engine for the win! | 09:06 |
| Gh0sty | if you get to hear a couple of weeks ago you could have been dead by simple things ... you start to think a bit differently ... | 09:06 |
| Pforce | yah, shame I only got GLES1 rendering working | 09:06 |
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| Pforce | would have liket the 2 but the ogre x11 build is not complete yet | 09:07 |
| Pforce | liked | 09:07 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: send me a PM when you're ready to contribute interesting things to the channel. We're not interested in your medical status, nor are we interested about hearing about all your imaginary friends -- if you're tripping on drugs, go to #defocus. Thanks | 09:08 |
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| Mace_N900 | wow | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | Mace_N900: stfu | 09:08 |
| mece | Pforce, are you making naali? | 09:08 |
| Mace_N900 | seriously need an sftp client | 09:08 |
| Mace_N900 | heh | 09:08 |
| mece | doesn't it have one? | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | I'm trying to sleep! everyone be quiet | 09:09 |
| Pforce | mece: yes | 09:09 |
| Mace_N900 | it has openssh sftp sure | 09:09 |
| mece | Pforce, cool :) | 09:09 |
| Pforce | im the guy in the video | 09:09 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: turn the sound off? | 09:09 |
| Pforce | well you cant see me but :) | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: what sound? | 09:09 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I can help you, you know ;) | 09:09 |
| mece | Pforce, I like your afro :P | 09:09 |
| Mace_N900 | but i need something a little more persistamt | 09:09 |
| Pforce | :D | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I wired IRC to my brain | 09:09 |
| luke-jr | (not really) | 09:09 |
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| Mace_N900 | downloadimg 2GB over 3G doesnt seem the cool thing to do | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: please stop this insults. The very poor and sparse *docu* for maemo takes a single guy maybe a 6 months to write | 09:10 |
| * luke-jr notes docs tend to be much more difficult to write than code | 09:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so please stop claiming somebody will redo maemo_the_system in his spare time | 09:11 |
| Mace_N900 | n900 gets better reception than the G1 tho | 09:11 |
| Gh0sty | ok | 09:11 |
| Mace_N900 | well. let me fiddle with this thing a bit more | 09:12 |
| TigerTael | I'm going to rewrite windows 7 in my spare time too! | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | TigerTael: someone's already doing that | 09:14 |
| luke-jr | it's called ReactOS | 09:14 |
| TigerTael | Sweet! | 09:14 |
| TigerTael | Nah, I know of ReactOS already, and that's a remake of Windows XP, not Windows 7. | 09:15 |
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| luke-jr | it was originally NT | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | they'll catch up eventually | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | at least with their stated goal | 09:15 |
| Mace_N900 | haha | 09:15 |
| viliny | not yet decided if it's sleep deprivation or if this channel really went ape shit | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:15 |
| Mace_N900 | sleep | 09:15 |
| luke-jr | ok, goodnight for real | 09:16 |
| Mace_N900 | ;) | 09:16 |
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| TigerTael | *Sigh* if only ReactOS could speed up its development. | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | bad name then | 09:18 |
| mece | TigerTael, please elaborate | 09:18 |
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| crashanddie | you should fork it, and call NoReactiOS | 09:18 |
| Mace_N900 | xchat seems a little flakey | 09:18 |
| Gh0sty | my apologies and i hope you have no hard feelings | 09:19 |
| TigerTael | mece, they're only on 0.3.x.x ;/ | 09:19 |
| TigerTael | And they've been around for YEARS. | 09:19 |
| TigerTael | ;/ | 09:19 |
| Gh0sty | run a bit ahead of myself | 09:19 |
| mece | TigerTael, why do you want it? | 09:19 |
| Gh0sty | but ok as i understand most people here are apparently die hard developers around the thing? | 09:20 |
| TigerTael | mece, I don't really, but I would like to see a free Windows XP clone. ;] | 09:20 |
| mece | TigerTael, definately. | 09:21 |
| mece | it's pretty ambitious. | 09:21 |
| morefish_ | Lindows? :) | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | TigerTael: its called linux? | 09:21 |
| mece | it has nothing to do with linux | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | :p | 09:21 |
| Gh0sty | i dont miss much in my linux desktops | 09:22 |
| Gh0sty | barely run windows anymore | 09:22 |
| Corsac | hmmh, n810 gps was really really bad, it doesn't manage to get a location even with a data connection >< | 09:22 |
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| Gh0sty | is the n900 gps ok? i heard from people with the preprod device they recommend an external receiver | 09:23 |
| Gh0sty | not really tested it myself | 09:24 |
| viliny | Gh0sty: i get a signal in the basement of a 2 storey brick and treehouse which completely dampens most GSM signals | 09:25 |
| viliny | GPS is mad efficient | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mace_N900: xchat is great | 09:25 |
| Surfa | it's ok for some things, but apparently there are some inaccuracies if looking meters close proximity | 09:26 |
| Gh0sty | wondering actually because the gps does not interest me is it possible/useful to unload the module to save power? | 09:26 |
| Surfa | compared to e71 for example the accuracy isn't that good | 09:26 |
| Corsac | gps is really really faster with a data connection | 09:26 |
| Gh0sty | Surfa: thats also what i heard | 09:26 |
| Gh0sty | Corsac: well problem is ... | 09:26 |
| Corsac | and I hit a weird bug that in some case, it seems that the recent position is first reset to longitude=0, last latitude | 09:27 |
| Surfa | Gh0sty, i think that gps isn't enabled if there aren't applications using it.. so i don't see any benefit of disabling it | 09:27 |
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| Gh0sty | 3g in belgium is limited you get a dataplan for 150MB / month | 09:27 |
| Corsac | it was not really a problem in europe since longitude=0 is not too far | 09:27 |
| Corsac | but I was in the us last month and there, it was definitely a problem | 09:28 |
| Gh0sty | for 15 eur / month | 09:28 |
| Gh0sty | not sure how much dollar that is currently | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: accuracy of gps is great. what sucks is TTFF when you got no connectivity so no 'A' kicks in | 09:29 |
| Corsac | Gh0sty: around $15 without taxes :) | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: unloading modules doesn't help at all and is a very bad idea | 09:29 |
| Gh0sty | nah its less i think | 09:29 |
| Sentri | like 20$ or so | 09:29 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: well i run wifiswitcher ... | 09:29 |
| Gh0sty | why is it bad? | 09:29 |
| Sentri | $20* | 09:30 |
| Surfa | DocScrutinizer, i have done comparison with my e71 and n900 and i can't agree | 09:30 |
| Surfa | ..during geocaching.. | 09:30 |
| Gh0sty | oh yes its more you are right | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Surfa: my N900 was around 5m to the point | 09:30 |
| Gh0sty | the euro is strong vs the dollar | 09:30 |
| crashanddie | wouldn't you have a real gps unit for geocaching? | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if e71 is better, ok it be then | 09:30 |
| viliny | what is geocaching? | 09:30 |
| Surfa | in open areas i was getting 10-20m off from the point with n900.. e71 accuracy was 3-4m | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki geocaching | 09:31 |
| Gh0sty | store the sats i think viliny | 09:31 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocaching (URL), Wikipedia explains: " 'Geocaching' is an outdoor activity in which the participants use a Global Positioning System (GPS) receiver or other navigational techniques to hide and seek containers (called "geocaches" or "caches") anywhere in the world. A typical cache is a small waterproof container (usually a tupperware or ammo box) containing a logbook. Larger containers can also contain items for trading, ... | 09:31 |
| Surfa | in geocaching that's pretty significant already :) | 09:31 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 09:31 |
| Gh0sty | caches ... | 09:31 |
| viliny | sounds... like fun :/ | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | I don't see why they call it an "outdoor" activity :P | 09:32 |
| Gh0sty | yes heard about that once ... | 09:32 |
| Surfa | it's very fun actually | 09:32 |
| Gh0sty | the concept sounded cool | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | We used to do paintcaching | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: (weird bug) seems related to wrong TZ or incorrect RTC setting | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | geocaching + paintball :) | 09:33 |
| Surfa | if you like being outdoors you definitely should try it | 09:33 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: TZ was updated automagically, not sure about RTC | 09:33 |
| Corsac | (and now it's hard to reproduce since I'm back in europe) | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: (wifiswitcher) no idea what that actually is. So obviously I don't need it - maybe it's a botch to fix a particular problem with wifi eating battery when not associated | 09:34 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: but it was really reset to 0, not something around, so it looked to me like a wrong reset | 09:34 |
| viliny | who is supposed to set up the things? is it like people leaving strangers things and posting the coordinates somewhere or is it like a game for friends where you hide shit and they find it or? | 09:34 |
| Gh0sty | yes strangers | 09:35 |
| Gh0sty | the things are usually of low value | 09:35 |
| Gh0sty | just the excitement of the search | 09:35 |
| viliny | :/ | 09:36 |
| Gh0sty | my ide it sounded cool | 09:36 |
| Gh0sty | idea* | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: there's some bug in GPS. That's also the reason why you need internet & 'Assisted' to get a first fix | 09:36 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yeah but you can't always count on an data connection, and it my case the “first connection” in US was ok | 09:36 |
| Corsac | I mean, it managed to get a fix (multiple time, with or without connection) | 09:37 |
| Corsac | by waiting enough time, in the latter case | 09:37 |
| Gh0sty | oh yes something back OT: i noticed on my bluetooth ear in the car | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: you might want to check bugtracker, I seem to remember a bug where lon was mirrored to the other side of Greenwich | 09:37 |
| Corsac | but then, if you switch it off, and switch it on (like, just close map or maep, then run it again), the first location shown was somewhere around valencia, spain, which was on the same latitude and longitude 0 | 09:38 |
| mece | Anyone here who can give me some pointers on packaging for devel? | 09:38 |
| Gh0sty | sometimes when i hangup the ear stays active (hear noise) which screws with the battery of the ear ... | 09:38 |
| mece | All the guides assume that I have this and that in the source, which I don't :/ | 09:38 |
| Gh0sty | only way i found is turn it off and on again | 09:38 |
| Gh0sty | but its not always ... | 09:39 |
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| Gh0sty | i think its when the other party hangs up before me ... | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: that's obviously a bug in locally stored pickles for GPS (basically the last location with a real fix, plus ephem/alm data) | 09:39 |
| Gh0sty | and since i am on the road making calls a lot ... | 09:40 |
| Corsac | yeah, that was my analysis too, I'll try to reproduce using the location tester, but it might be trickier to do so with a location in .eu | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ghoyou're talking about BT? | 09:41 |
| Gh0sty | yes | 09:41 |
| Gh0sty | bluetooth ear | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: BT has nothing to do with who's first to hang up | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | some BT gadgets suffer from a poor implementation | 09:42 |
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| Gh0sty | also yesterday seen a lot of disconnects over bt while the n900 was in my pocket ... | 09:42 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: yes i realize that it could be that 30 dollar earphone maybe | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so your "BT ear"(headset?) obviously has issues | 09:43 |
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| Gh0sty | any recommendation? | 09:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | get a better one | 09:43 |
| Gh0sty | probably need to buy nokia one? | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | better doesn't mean more expensive - just test | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, Nokia should be tested :-P | 09:44 |
| Gh0sty | lol yeah thats the problem where can you test that | 09:44 |
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| Gh0sty | mostly plastic blisters ... | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: iirc there's a page on wiki where compatible tested headsets are listed (community driven) | 09:45 |
| Gh0sty | as i said before ... i dont care to spend some money if i get something i know is worth it | 09:45 |
| Gh0sty | also my rationalisation for the n900 ... | 09:46 |
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| Gh0sty | oh cool! did not see that one i'll check | 09:46 |
| Gh0sty | oh btw noob question also | 09:46 |
| Gh0sty | how do i paste a url in the bookmarks window :p | 09:47 |
| Gh0sty | if i select a url in irc i can pick copy | 09:47 |
| Gh0sty | but how to paste ... | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would you want to do that? anyway ctrl-c/ctrl-v is your friend | 09:47 |
| Gh0sty | oh stupid me ... | 09:48 |
| Gh0sty | ofcourse | 09:48 |
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| crashanddie | quite | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: see wiki "gestures and shortcuts" | 09:48 |
| opdf2 | » anyone know how to make xchat put "nickname:" when i double click on a nick? I remember how to do it for mirc but forgot xchat | 09:49 |
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| Gh0sty | omg horrible picture | 09:50 |
| Gh0sty | a picture of me a friend tool :p | 09:50 |
| Gh0sty | took* | 09:50 |
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| marmoute | Gh0sty: greatly change the meaning of your sentence. | 09:51 |
| Gh0sty | ? | 09:51 |
| Gh0sty | sorry? i am not native english so i dont understand your suggestion or whats wrong with my sentence | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: doesn't work. Use 'tab' completion - for this map shift-space to nick-completion in keymappings setiing in xchat | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: shift-space completion? Doesn't sound as good, does it? | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: why? | 09:53 |
| crashanddie | I don't know, just doesn't | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah the term | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 09:53 |
| opdf2 | DocScrutinizer: ty | 09:53 |
| * noobmonk3y prods frals 0.9.8 OoOOooo :) | 09:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless works like a charm | 09:53 |
| marmoute | shift space is @ isn't it ? | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe on macintosh | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: fuck off :P | 09:55 |
| * rmrfchik want to sync maemo contacts with linux desktop | 09:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I got no idea about where @ is mapped on alien kbd layouts. Just can talk about DE and to a lesser confidence about US | 09:56 |
| Ebzzry | Hi! How can I make evince the default pdf reader? | 09:56 |
| * achipa wants world peace (the two are roughly in the same difficulty category :) ) | 09:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 09:56 |
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| * DocScrutinizer seems to recall something about mime types | 09:57 | |
| Ebzzry | hmm | 09:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and prolly gconftool (me fights vomiting) | 09:57 |
| hrw | morning | 09:57 |
| Gh0sty | marmoute: ? | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: shift + 2 on US, shift + (left to enter key) on gb, alt gr + 8 on french, alt gr + 2 on belgian (or maybe I'm confusing french and belgian), shift + (above enter key) on spanish | 09:58 |
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| Gh0sty | plz correct me in PM i like to learn ... | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: a bold topic. I came to think it's a simple task to copy over some vcards | 09:59 |
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| Gh0sty | crashanddie: what combination you want to know in belgian? | 09:59 |
| rmrfchik | and rsync two dirs | 09:59 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: alt gr + 2 = @? | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: uhmm, alt on N900? | 10:00 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nha, just talking about regular keyboards | 10:00 |
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| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: do you have pointers/links regarding my query earlier? | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yeah, the @_on_<space> was about N900 xchat though | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ebzzry: not anything beyond what I uttered about mimetypes already | 10:01 |
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| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: hmm, ok. | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: or probably was just kidding anyway | 10:02 |
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| Gh0sty | crashanddie: yes | 10:03 |
| Gh0sty | is there btw a way to get alt key inside the shell? | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: often ESC will do | 10:03 |
| Gh0sty | irssi use alt + numbers for switching channels | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use ESC plus number | 10:04 |
| Gh0sty | oh rly | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard that | 10:04 |
| marmoute | yeah rly | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | never used irssi | 10:04 |
| Gh0sty | ooh cool! | 10:05 |
| Gh0sty | nice | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | works for mc Fn-keys as well | 10:05 |
| Gh0sty | yeah well irssi is the ultimate irc client! | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and in shell, e.g for alt/esc-. | 10:05 |
| Gh0sty | well xchat can have the 2nd place | 10:06 |
| Gh0sty | yeah ok its just strange its called esc | 10:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, it's called ESC because it's ESC | 10:06 |
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| Gh0sty | already chatting 1h from the n900 now through ssh/screen/irssi to my fixed pc | 10:07 |
| Gh0sty | still in bed ... :p | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | also notice ESC is not a qualifier key. Rather it generates a standard key code | 10:07 |
| Gh0sty | hm dont know so much specs around keycodes and studd in shells | 10:08 |
| Gh0sty | stuff* | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: basically you don't hold down ESC | 10:09 |
| koala_man | supposedly weechat is what irssi would have been if it had been planned ahead | 10:09 |
| Gh0sty | but from a noob view it might be more logical my idea to have alt too ... | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, sometimes I miss it as well. Alas there seems no way to add qualifier keys to xterm | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | virtual qualifier keys | 10:10 |
| Gh0sty | koala_man: not going to start am irc client shootout ... never even heard about weechat ... | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | lmao http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200903/errord/IMG00049.jpg | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you could massively patch the kbd driver | 10:10 |
| Gh0sty | use irssi for ages and know some devs behind it ... | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | dude | 10:11 |
| crashanddie | seriously | 10:11 |
| crashanddie | again? | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | no its for real ... | 10:11 |
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| crashanddie | it's fecking Open Source you asswhipe, "knowing a dev behind an Open Source project" is equivalent to using fucking Google | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 10:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer considers a round of bs bingo | 10:12 | |
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| timeless_mbp | if april showers bring may flowers | 10:12 |
| Gh0sty | no i sat in his new house yesterday actually drinking a beer | 10:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | what does april snow bring? | 10:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (it's snowing here) | 10:12 |
| tekojo | timeless_mbp where are you? | 10:13 |
| achipa | ~prod Jaffa | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: cold feet | 10:13 |
| * infobot zaps Jaffa with a high voltage cattle prod | 10:13 | |
| timeless_mbp | HEL | 10:13 |
| tekojo | it's not snowing at the office | 10:13 |
| Gh0sty | but nvm ... | 10:13 |
| tekojo | I think that is sleet, not snow... | 10:13 |
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| mece | timeless_mbp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_COIIFwfBw ? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: i think jaffa might be sleeping after driving from stockholm | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | (at least i would) | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:13 |
| Gh0sty | dont care if you dont believe me and that was not to brag or anything ... | 10:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekojo: there's definitely snow | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | april showers bring may flowers, april snow gives her something to blow? | 10:14 |
| korhojoa | damnit people. where's the upstart package gone? | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | btw you guys know developers behind maemo at nokia? | 10:14 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: ah. Right. Oops :) Sorry Mr Chairman ! | 10:14 |
| timeless_mbp | rain falls straight, this stuff is moving around | 10:14 |
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| mece | crashanddie, LOL | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: not that? | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | tekojo: the rest of us doesn't have 497 different types of snow with their special names :-P | 10:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Gh0sty: nah, i don't know any of the people i work with | 10:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm paid to go to work and ignore the hundreds of other people in my building | 10:15 |
| Gh0sty | oh you are nokia? | 10:15 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | yes, he's a transformer | 10:15 |
| tekojo | DocScrutinizer you are missing so much on the snow varieties :) | 10:15 |
| korhojoa | no-one? | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | every morning after huming Lex Nokia Empiricum and taking a shower, he transforms into Nokia | 10:15 |
| Gh0sty | well you know a guy under the nickname p2 | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | peter? | 10:16 |
| Gh0sty | yes | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | tekojo: it's most definitely snowing | 10:16 |
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| Gh0sty | he is also a belgian :p | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, with that surname it would have to be belgian or dutch | 10:16 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: you sure he isn't french? | 10:16 |
| Gh0sty | and -again- not to brag ... | 10:17 |
| Gh0sty | shit | 10:17 |
| Surfa | nice game :) | 10:17 |
| Gh0sty | no | 10:17 |
| Surfa | let's try guessing where we are from | 10:17 |
| korhojoa | upstart-job seems to be missing from apt in the newest fiasco image | 10:17 |
| Gh0sty | he is dutch | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | so why he is connecting from a french datacentre then? | 10:17 |
| Gh0sty | Stskeeps: he ever comes online here? | 10:17 |
| Surfa | eu makes things possible? :) | 10:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer calls for better S/N in this chan please | 10:18 | |
| Stskeeps | Gh0sty: don't think so | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | Gh0sty: but then again this channel is big | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | p2 [~p@ns303653.ovh.net] | 10:18 |
| korhojoa | S/N? | 10:18 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: lol thats logical ... | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: nha, OVH only accepts payments from France or UK | 10:18 |
| Gh0sty | belgium is expensive for everything it | 10:18 |
| Gh0sty | nah | 10:18 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, no credit cards? or some address checking? | 10:19 |
| Gh0sty | i considered some weeks ago to take some server there | 10:19 |
| Gh0sty | its europe man | 10:19 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: credit cards don't exist in mainland europe | 10:19 |
| Gh0sty | i reconsidered going to take a german one | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: Noise==>><Surfa> let's try guessing where we are from<< Signal==...errr... wait a minute, I'll find some :-P | 10:19 |
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| Gh0sty | its better value for the pricde | 10:20 |
| Gh0sty | price | 10:20 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer: how about the missing package! | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | upstart? | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's it missing from? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | korhojoa: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's there | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:20 |
| korhojoa | the newest fiasco image | 10:20 |
| Gh0sty | anyway gotta get up out of bed | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: you're from finland? | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | korhojoa: what newest fiasco image | 10:21 |
| Gh0sty | time to go to work | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: I'd be surprised | 10:21 |
| Gh0sty | again sorry for my overreaction at start ... | 10:21 |
| korhojoa | well. i flashed my phone yesterday and it doesn't seem to be able to find it | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | how about you stop reminding us? | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 10:21 |
| Gh0sty | but i will put the developer here later today | 10:21 |
| Gh0sty | ok | 10:21 |
| Gh0sty | seeya later | 10:22 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm off back to the hotel, my work day is over | 10:22 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 10:22 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, yes, but i used to live in germany too.. first thing they offered in local bank was visa credit card there too | 10:22 |
| korhojoa | hm. have to figure this out later | 10:23 |
| korhojoa | it startedmraining | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: credit cards? | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: or debit cards? | 10:24 |
| Surfa | ..credit cards definitely | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: you can get some credit cards, but they're usually expensive and worthless in Europe -- because the laws don't protect you as much, and the limits on credit are a lot stricter | 10:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: what time zone are you in? | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: GMT + 10 | 10:25 |
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| Surfa | crashanddie, where on earth do you live? I have friends living in netherlands and uk and they have just as real credit cards as i do | 10:26 |
| timeless_mbp | ending work at half past midnight.. tsk | 10:26 |
| Surfa | also in spain | 10:26 |
| Surfa | ..and germany, even that germand don't use them much.. mostly maestro cards | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | in Belgium, France, Spain, Netherlands, Germany and Italy you'll only get a credit card if you either request it, look like an idiot, or take a premier-level account out | 10:26 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: well, sure, in the states you get credit cards just walking down the street | 10:27 |
| Surfa | not my experiences exactly | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: UK is fully credit card, completely agreed, but not the rest of europe | 10:27 |
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| timeless_mbp | and they're doing that in HEL too these days | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: same in the UK really | 10:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Surfa: note that we're talking about how you <get> them, not who uses them or when :) | 10:27 |
| Surfa | deutsche bank offered me free of charged credit card as a first thing | 10:27 |
| timeless_mbp | s/charged/charge/ | 10:28 |
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| Surfa | timeless_mbp, i know | 10:28 |
| Surfa | but anyhow it hasn't been that difficult in germany either.. and somehow people i know have managed to get cards in other european countries too, so it can't be really that difficult | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | uptime 72h, think I need a nap | 10:30 |
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| crashanddie | Surfa: what do you call a credit card, exactly? | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: it's 5:30PM, not midnight | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | oh +. not - | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | you ended up in .au? | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but leaving end of next week | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | I resigned from AI | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | sorry, won't be able to give you free card readers anymore :P | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | it's ok | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | i still need to make use of the one you gave me :) | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | heh | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | once my visa is renewed i'll apply for a finnish id | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | which i'm told includes a chip | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | Though I loaded up on the goodies before leaving :P I still have a passport scanner that they forgot to request :P | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | That's at least 5k on ebay :D | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | next up, crashanddie getting arrested as "ID copying mastermind" | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:34 |
| timeless_mbp | speaking of PKI | 10:34 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: can we pick this up when I'm back at the hotel? The bunker is shutting down :P | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | do you know much about why someone would use 'iPass' in a corporate env? | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, just a question to think about | 10:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm basically wondering why Windows/OS X crypto support is insufficient | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't need the answer now | 10:35 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to visit work | 10:35 | |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: which iPass? | 10:35 |
| crashanddie | wtf | 10:35 |
| crashanddie | anyway, 'later | 10:36 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, card that contains certain amount of limit and you can pay back e.g. 3% per month | 10:38 |
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| Surfa | i somehow habe been in such belief that it's a definition of a credit card | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | depends from country to country | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | in .dk, our so called credit cards are linked straight to a bank account and dragged from there | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | when there's no cash aviable/overdraft without agreement, the bank shouts at you to correct it and if you don't, block the card | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:40 |
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| Surfa | Stskeeps, it's called debit, not credit | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Surfa: yes, i know that from crashanddie | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | except that in .dk, that's what we call credit cards :P | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | debit cards are ones that are only usable with a direct connection to the bank | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | ie, visa electron, etc | 10:41 |
| Surfa | excellent | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | so it just makes things a bit confusing :) | 10:42 |
| frals | god just took a web form consisting of ~100 questions and i swear it was in reality 10 different questions with different wording repeated | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | frals: we had a questionaire in our comp.sci dept for students | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | frals: most of them seemed to be oriented around "do you have aspergers syndrome" or hinting at it | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:44 |
| koala_man | frals: was it the N900 survey? | 10:44 |
| frals | koala_man: hehe, no | 10:44 |
| frals | Stskeeps: yeah, this was pretty much "are you a psychopath".. thats the feeling i got anyway :P | 10:44 |
| koala_man | did you just skip it and write "I am not a psycho!!" in blood on the back? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | someone else's blood, too | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:45 |
| frals | :D | 10:45 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, what is the ideal resolution of video for N900? | 10:47 |
| hrw | <=800x480 | 10:47 |
| LuciusMare | thanks | 10:47 |
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| viliny | can you do a apt-get upgrade on the n900? getting tired of clicking each every update and waiting it to update | 10:51 |
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| viliny | it tells me i don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ when i try to apt-get upgrade | 10:54 |
| viliny | whats up with that? ran it as root | 10:54 |
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| Shapeshifter | viliny: sure. well it caches the packages there | 10:55 |
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| viliny | Why is the space not sufficient? | 10:58 |
| viliny | I have loads of free space on the drive | 10:58 |
| viliny | the updates amount to 30mb at this point | 10:58 |
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| LuciusMare | viliny: that's the reason why you should not apt-get upgrade | 11:02 |
| LuciusMare | for what #maemo told me, it could fill the rootfs (and brick the tablet, btw) | 11:02 |
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| viliny | LuciusMare: roger, thats not so good... would have been convenient and much faster than the old click and upgrade but oh well... | 11:03 |
| viliny | only did it this first time though | 11:03 |
| LuciusMare | Yes, I also hate that it updates everytime :) | 11:04 |
| plq | viliny, what i did to free space was to delete extra repositories. you can add them back later. | 11:04 |
| LuciusMare | run "df -h /var/cache/apt/archives" | 11:05 |
| LuciusMare | and post here the output | 11:05 |
| viliny | mine? | 11:05 |
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| LuciusMare | yes :D | 11:05 |
| viliny | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# df -h /var/cache/apt/archives | 11:06 |
| viliny | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 11:06 |
| viliny | rootfs 227.8M 209.0M 14.6M 93% / | 11:06 |
| viliny | Nokia-N900-51-1:~# | 11:06 |
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| LuciusMare | I recommend you optifying the /var/cache/apt/archives | 11:07 |
| valdyn | viliny: theres a script in the wiki that will solve this automagically | 11:07 |
| viliny | valdyn: have it store that data elsewhere? | 11:08 |
| viliny | optifying? | 11:08 |
| LuciusMare | mv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives && ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives | 11:08 |
| valdyn | viliny: yes | 11:08 |
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| crazyhorss | good evening | 11:08 |
| valdyn | viliny: not just /var/cache/apt/archives, few more things, im only using it, I didnt even read it | 11:08 |
| viliny | have you got the link? | 11:08 |
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| viliny | LuciusMare: what does ln -s do again? | 11:09 |
| viliny | it moves the data elsewhere and then links the old folder to the moved one? correct? | 11:10 |
| valdyn | viliny: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 11:10 |
| LuciusMare | viliny: ln -s makes a symlink | 11:10 |
| LuciusMare | oh yeah, use the script valdyn sent you | 11:11 |
| viliny | LuciusMare: yeah ok - will this be a problem when i upgrade to say... pr 1.2 etc? | 11:11 |
| valdyn | viliny: i dont think we can know that | 11:11 |
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| LuciusMare | but not likely | 11:11 |
| viliny | you suggest i do apt-get install pymaemo-optify | 11:11 |
| viliny | ? | 11:11 |
| valdyn | viliny: likely its fine if you install it ota | 11:11 |
| LuciusMare | there is a scruot viliny | 11:12 |
| LuciusMare | s/scruot/script/ | 11:12 |
| infobot | LuciusMare meant: there is a script viliny | 11:12 |
| valdyn | viliny: simply because thats how deb packages work, but if you flash then i cant tell obviously | 11:12 |
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| viliny | i'm left a bit unsure about which part of this i actually want to run | 11:13 |
| achipa | X-Fade: will you make a summary of the conclusions or do you want me to do it ? | 11:14 |
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| achipa | oops, wrong window | 11:14 |
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| viliny | LuciusMare, valdyn : move to opt sh script? the first part? this is what i want? | 11:15 |
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| viliny | Nokia-N900-51-1:/home/user# ./move-to-opt.sh | 11:17 |
| viliny | -sh: ./move-to-opt.sh: Permission denied | 11:17 |
| LuciusMare | chmod +x move-to-opt.sh | 11:17 |
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| viliny | i did that | 11:18 |
| LuciusMare | >:( | 11:18 |
| LuciusMare | are you running it as root? | 11:18 |
| viliny | yes | 11:18 |
| viliny | im root via ssh | 11:18 |
| LuciusMare | huh | 11:18 |
| LuciusMare | okay, then run the command i posted earlier | 11:18 |
| LuciusMare | mv -v /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives && ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives | 11:18 |
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| viliny | okay, will do in a moment... but we don't know why the script fails to run? am i missing python here or something? | 11:19 |
| LuciusMare | i have no idea | 11:19 |
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| viliny | mv -v /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives && ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/aptarchives | 11:22 |
| viliny | mv: invalid option -- v | 11:22 |
| LuciusMare | *sigh* | 11:23 |
| LuciusMare | okay, leave that -v out | 11:23 |
| LuciusMare | i thought that busybox mv has the -v#erbose option | 11:23 |
| viliny | okay, it finished... suspension! | 11:24 |
| LuciusMare | suspension? | 11:25 |
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| LuciusMare | oh :) | 11:25 |
| LuciusMare | what does the df say now? | 11:25 |
| viliny | still tells me 92% is in use... | 11:25 |
| LuciusMare | D: | 11:25 |
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| valdyn | viliny: moving archives only avoids apt-get downloading to rootfs | 11:26 |
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| valdyn | viliny: it does not free up space when theres nothing inside | 11:26 |
| LuciusMare | well yeah, try the apt-get upgrade now | 11:26 |
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| viliny | ah sweet :) | 11:26 |
| viliny | so im clear to do an apt-get upgrade now? | 11:26 |
| LuciusMare | try | 11:26 |
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| viliny | E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) | 11:27 |
| valdyn | viliny: you should understand what you do | 11:27 |
| valdyn | viliny: ( before you do it... ) | 11:28 |
| LuciusMare | /var/ cache /apt/archives/ lock ? | 11:28 |
| LuciusMare | why is the lock file in cache? | 11:28 |
| LuciusMare | i told him to do that, it worked for me | 11:28 |
| valdyn | LuciusMare: he did a mistake copying | 11:28 |
| valdyn | viliny: ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives | 11:29 |
| viliny | clears link? | 11:29 |
| valdyn | viliny: no, just shows it | 11:29 |
| viliny | ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives ls: /var/cache/apt/archives: No such file or directory | 11:29 |
| LuciusMare | wut | 11:29 |
| LuciusMare | ls -la /var/cache/apt | 11:30 |
| valdyn | viliny: there - fix the link | 11:30 |
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| viliny | im a little lost here now | 11:30 |
| LuciusMare | agh | 11:30 |
| LuciusMare | sorry, sorry, my fault | 11:30 |
| valdyn | viliny: you never created the link | 11:30 |
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| LuciusMare | i always swap the name of the symlink and the target | 11:30 |
| LuciusMare | ln -s /opt/aptarchives /var/cache/apt/archives | 11:31 |
| LuciusMare | rm /opt/aptarchives/archives | 11:31 |
| viliny | ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives | 11:31 |
| viliny | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 22 11:31 /var/cache/apt/archives -> /opt/aptarchives | 11:31 |
| LuciusMare | great | 11:31 |
| viliny | rm necessary? | 11:32 |
| valdyn | viliny: ls -ld /opt/aptarchives should show its a directory now.. | 11:32 |
| LuciusMare | not really, it just deletes the broken symlink | 11:32 |
| LuciusMare | try the apt-get upgrade now | 11:32 |
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| viliny | it's doing it :) | 11:32 |
| viliny | thanks a lot you both | 11:33 |
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| viliny | this will save me some time in the future | 11:33 |
| * LuciusMare repeats: "symlink: target, name, target, name..." | 11:33 | |
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| * LuciusMare wonders... | 11:37 | |
| LuciusMare | You can't change R&D mode by the N900 itself, right? :) | 11:38 |
| viliny | R&D mode? :) | 11:38 |
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| LuciusMare | Research and development | 11:39 |
| nid0 | LuciusMare no, the method of doing so was disabled | 11:39 |
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| LuciusMare | nid0: hm, i thought it was technically impossible | 11:39 |
| LuciusMare | why was it disabled? | 11:39 |
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| nid0 | so that people dont think "oo sounds fun", enable it, and fuck their devices, most likely | 11:40 |
| LuciusMare | viliny: http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | LuciusMare: you can write something simple with libcal-dev | 11:40 |
| LuciusMare | nid0: R&D can fuck the devices? | 11:40 |
| nid0 | I mean lets face it, prior to it being disabled in 1.1, there were people switching their devices to red pill simply to see the flashy keyboard backlight pattern | 11:40 |
| Corsac | * N900: The keyboard backlight behind the left and right side of the keyboard flickers in response to system activity. | 11:41 |
| Corsac | aha, I was wondering what it was :) | 11:41 |
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| LuciusMare | nid0: it seems harmless, it blinks the keyboard, allows root and changes the behaviour of the power button | 11:41 |
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| crazyhorss | how is this possible? i just entered gprs settings and connected through gprs, but i am getting speeds of 200+kb/s? | 11:41 |
| LuciusMare | unless you enable the flags | 11:42 |
| Lumpio- | You've discovered a secret mode in GPRS! | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | crazyhorss: EDGE? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorss: edge? Or compression? | 11:42 |
| crazyhorss | $4.99 plan | 11:43 |
| LuciusMare | +1, everything 3g is treated like gprs | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the little thingy saying 2g? | 11:43 |
| crazyhorss | 3g | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | then it's on 3g | 11:43 |
| nid0 | you're connected to 3g | 11:43 |
| LuciusMare | that's the acceleration? | 11:43 |
| LuciusMare | ^^ | 11:43 |
| crazyhorss | oh man, thats epic. | 11:44 |
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| viliny | Can you get the keyboard flashing backlight with less drastic alteration? | 11:44 |
| crazyhorss | 3.5 is that 3.5g? | 11:44 |
| nid0 | yes | 11:44 |
| crazyhorss | hahaha | 11:44 |
| crazyhorss | sweet | 11:44 |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorss: If you see 4, let us know | 11:44 |
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| crazyhorss | SpeedEvil: haha | 11:45 |
| crazyhorss | so for $5 i get high speed internet on the go.. i can even make an access point | 11:46 |
| crazyhorss | this is simply amazing | 11:47 |
| LuciusMare | hm, what app would you get on a long, long offline trip? | 11:47 |
| Corsac | media player | 11:47 |
| Corsac | crazyhorss: prepaid data plan? | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | $5 for how much data though? | 11:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I pay around that per month prepaid for 6 months for 1G | 11:48 |
| LuciusMare | Corsac: hah | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | /mo | 11:48 |
| crazyhorss | unlimited... i think | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil | check your terms and conditions | 11:48 |
| Corsac | which data plan is that? :) | 11:48 |
| crazyhorss | an old gprs plan | 11:49 |
| crazyhorss | from like 2004 | 11:49 |
| lcuk | RST38h, how do i disable the beep/vibrate on xchat | 11:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: it's in notifications - in opetions - I thinkthe firtst one | 11:50 |
| lcuk | we thought aliens had landed last night when someone pinged me in middle of night | 11:50 |
| crazyhorss | tzones | 11:50 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: /notify something, a moment | 11:51 |
| lcuk | on alerts tab i have "blink tray icon and blink task bar" | 11:51 |
| lcuk | i wasnt aware blink meant "shake whole house like lkaijilakliaklaikli exploded" | 11:52 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38927&highlight=notify+plugin&page=4 #33 | 11:53 |
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| * viliny finished apt-get upgrading his phone \o/ | 11:53 | |
| lcuk | thanks RST38h | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | do those options persist | 11:54 |
| lcuk | or do i have to save each time | 11:54 |
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| LuciusMare | whaat | 11:55 |
| LuciusMare | no console nethack in repos? | 11:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | LuciusMare: I've got it installed from somewhere - I forget where | 11:56 |
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| viliny | LuciusMare: i have nethack in repos | 11:57 |
| LuciusMare | viliny: the console one? | 11:58 |
| viliny | i also have vultures eye but i can't for the love of god figure out how to navigate the levels and open doors or anything | 11:58 |
| SpeedEvil | console one | 11:58 |
| viliny | LuciusMare: i haven't installed nethack i just saw it there | 11:58 |
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| LuciusMare | hm | 11:59 |
| LuciusMare | i have only vultures | 11:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | nethack-console | 12:00 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install nethack-console | 12:00 |
| LuciusMare|away | couldnt find package nethack-console | 12:01 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | achipa: pong | 12:04 |
| frals | o/ Jaffa | 12:04 |
| lcuk | morning jaffa \o | 12:04 |
| frals | nice to see you got home in one piece | 12:04 |
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| lcuk | home at last? :D | 12:04 |
| achipa | Jaffa: mornin | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | frals: Not so the car :-( | 12:04 |
| lcuk | ----------------------------- | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: indeed | 12:05 |
| frals | :(( | 12:05 |
| lcuk | watch out jaffa! another barrier!!! | 12:05 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: haha | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | i bet you just deflated at that point :( | 12:05 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa's world travel? | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | jaffa tried fistbumping the uk - it mishit and slapped him in the face | 12:06 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: it was one of those retractable floor ones, and a car was there as I approached. So I didn't see it go back up. The arm barrier (like you'd get at a car park) is stuck up and blocks the view of the traffic light. Finally, the guy in the booth said hello by saying "alright mate"; which I took as a sign to keep going (as the visible barrier was still up) | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | :( | 12:07 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, what time did you eventually get back then? | 12:08 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: 22:30. | 12:09 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: When we got off the ferry at 13:30, I was hopeful for being home by about 16:30; and seeing Mrs Jaffa and the Jafflets | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | bloody nora! did you actually facepalm when it happened | 12:10 |
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| lcuk | lcukn900, ping | 12:11 |
| lcuk | lcukn900, ping | 12:11 |
| LuciusMare|away | lcuk: ping? | 12:12 |
| lcuk | lcukn900, ping | 12:12 |
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| lcuk | LuciusMare|away, just making sure xchat doesnt wake me up again | 12:12 |
| lcuk | lcukn900, ping | 12:13 |
| lcuk | ok :) works now | 12:13 |
| lcuk | sorry for noise | 12:13 |
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| lcuk | frals, a bunch of bacon roughly == a pig | 12:14 |
| inz | i'd rather call it a meal | 12:15 |
| ShadowJK | Hey, Mugen shipped me a replacement cover today | 12:15 |
| ShadowJK | two in fact | 12:16 |
| lcuk | inz he would have to slap you with bread roll and tomato sauce too | 12:16 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Swore. Loudly. | 12:16 |
| ShadowJK | I guess I'll get them next week | 12:16 |
| frals | ShadowJK: could i get a link to your script for battery monitoring again? i seem to have misplaced it | 12:16 |
| inz | lcuk, they would be nice, sure, but not necessary =) | 12:16 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar | 12:16 |
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| frals | thanks :) | 12:17 |
| ShadowJK | frals, I leave for work in an hour, so ask all the questions before that :) | 12:17 |
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| frals | ShadowJK: do i need to change anything or just chuck it on device and run it as root? | 12:18 |
| ShadowJK | untar it, there's two files bq27200.sh and i2cget, they need to be in same directory and +x. Then run it ./bq27200.sh as root | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | Actually i2cget needs to be in the current directory.. | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | For power use monitoring, ./bq27200.sh 5 | 12:19 |
| ShadowJK | is the most useful | 12:19 |
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| frals | ShadowJK: ty :)) | 12:19 |
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| ShadowJK | The chip itself updates measurements every 5.12 seconds | 12:20 |
| ShadowJK | For short term monitoring, the "mA" column is the 5.12 second average consumption (if negative) or charge (if positive) | 12:21 |
| ShadowJK | For long term monitoring I'd compare the "NAC" column.. Nominal Available Capacity | 12:21 |
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| ShadowJK | The default calibration inside the chip is a bit off for capacity-tracking, empty happens somewhere between 700-1000 if the chip hasn't recalibrated itself at some point | 12:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: have you ever seen it recal? | 12:26 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | with the stock bat? | 12:26 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah that too | 12:26 |
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| frals | bastard, fmms bug i just got was 10001 | 12:27 |
| frals | bug #10000 | 12:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Overwriting of devices in PAIRED DEVICES LIST | 12:27 |
| ShadowJK | You actually need it to recalibrate twice for the stock batt, because the default value is so far from the actual value that it refuses to believe it | 12:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: how did you recal? just using it moderately till it shutoff won't for me | 12:28 |
| lcuk | lol frals | 12:28 |
| lcuk | bug 10001 | 12:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10001 Sharing plugin doesn't work | 12:28 |
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| ShadowJK | So it needs to sit below EDV1 voltage (3248mV) for a few seconds, but above 3200mV (shutdown, and shutdown makes consumption go to zero which makes voltage bounce up above EDV1 threshold) | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: - err - shouldn't that remain an open bug? | 12:29 |
| lcuk | bug 9999 | 12:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9999 Tap & Hold menu disappears before an item can be selected | 12:29 |
| ShadowJK | So as I approached 3200mV I gradually reduced the power consumption on my N900 by first disconnecting internet, then putting it entirely offline, and then when it got even closer, I dropped backlight level, but kept the backlight on | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: I mean - it can be fixed - it's just you can't | 12:29 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: i think it have to be moved to a different product then | 12:30 |
| ShadowJK | and monitored the output.. after seeing 1 in the EDV1 column for a few lines, I put it on charger, and it had relearned capacity | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never had edv1 1 | 12:30 |
| ShadowJK | At that low voltage any load variations causes relatively large variations in voltage :/ | 12:30 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: and im certain that it's a wontfix for nokia as well ;) | 12:30 |
| ShadowJK | Also VDQ needs to be 1 | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 12:30 |
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| ShadowJK | actually I think it's enough if you see EDV1=1 once, but voltage needs to stay consistently below 3248 for a few seconds for EDV1 to be raised.. | 12:31 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Overclocking? | 12:33 |
| ShadowJK | no | 12:34 |
| ShadowJK | "The bqJUNIOR EDV detection is designed to prevent premature detection of the EDV thresholds due to dynamic load variations. EDV detection has a dynamically adjusted delay of up to 21.5 s with RSOC ≥ 6% and down to 3 s when RSOC = 0%" | 12:34 |
| ShadowJK | So yeah, 21.5sec below 3248 and above 3200.. and N900 shuts down faster than 21.5secs ;) | 12:35 |
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| massoud | anyone had "mobile hotspot" app working on the n900 ? | 12:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah - I have only ever seen 3248 once in about 8 discharges | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | 18:08 3248 38 38 -302 503 503 503 65535 100 303 0 | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that was immediately after teh low-voltage alarm had triggered, and it was doing the actual shutdown - hence the high current | 12:43 |
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| paul_____ | frals: | 12:52 |
| paul_____ | ? | 12:52 |
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| Corsac | :q | 12:54 |
| crazyhorss | k | 12:55 |
| crazyhorss | nvm, testing | 12:55 |
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| lcuk | frals, !!! bug | 13:05 |
| lcuk | odd one too | 13:05 |
| frals | sup? | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | had first level configuration dialog up (asking for phone number etc) | 13:05 |
| lcuk | revd mms | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | and clicked the yellow note | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I think I was cruising at about 80mA discharge near 3300 :) | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | so now mms is shown fullpage | 13:06 |
| lcuk | but unclickable | 13:06 |
| lcuk | panning back to the dashboard | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | i can see the dialog over the top | 13:06 |
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| lcuk | but focusing back on it shows me mms pic | 13:06 |
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| frals | hmm | 13:06 |
| lcuk | its curious - i think i can just click back on the mms itself | 13:07 |
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| lcuk | not crashed or anything, just bizarre effect | 13:07 |
| lcuk | oof i cant click back | 13:07 |
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| frals | i think gtk got confused which window is on top between the dialog and the stackablewindow which shows the mms | 13:07 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:08 |
| lcuk | and the back arrow is also unfunctional | 13:08 |
| frals | and dialog grabs input but is not in its loop anymore so it doesnt destroy | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | yup | 13:08 |
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| frals | ill see what can be done about it | 13:08 |
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| lcuk | i dont know if anything simple can - was just a heads up :) if you can tho it will be good | 13:09 |
| frals | i think it require a bit of state tracking thru the app, not whats available from gtk in that regard | 13:09 |
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| frals | cheers for telling me about it will keep it in mind | 13:10 |
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| * lcuk nods | 13:10 | |
| frals | not sure whats* | 13:10 |
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| frals | wonder how the hell you debug a sharing service not showing up in "Sharing services" dialog | 13:11 |
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| frals | ie https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10001#c2 | 13:12 |
| povbot | Bug 10001: Sharing plugin doesn't work | 13:12 |
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| paul_____ | hmm i downlowded w widget but when i go to add widget it don't appear in the list, how the hell do i add it? | 13:15 |
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| paul_____ | frals: what would be nice was fmms intergrated into the n900 txt app ;) | 13:18 |
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| lcuk | paul_____, it is nice that we have fmms at all! | 13:21 |
| paul_____ | of course, i'm greatfull i would be lost with out it!!!! but would be nice | 13:21 |
| paul_____ | maybe a idea for the furture ;) | 13:21 |
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| wazd | hello people | 13:23 |
| mece | hello hello | 13:24 |
| lcuk | paul_____, can you get rid of all your extra ___ please too, i can also see fmms integrating with conversations, but that is much more than getting the fundimentals working | 13:24 |
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| firestorm_ | i was trying but the connection hadn't died :p | 13:25 |
| firestorm_ | I know lcuk chill !!!! just a idea i would like ;) | 13:25 |
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| firestorm_ | least frals has saved the day unlike nokia!!! | 13:25 |
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| Termana | Why not use nickserv to ghost your nick? (assuming you've registered your nickname) | 13:26 |
| firestorm_ | nar not registered :) | 13:26 |
| firestorm_ | otherwise i would have | 13:26 |
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| lcuk | firestorm_, who says nokia arent helping - fmms is a team effort with frals at the helm | 13:26 |
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| firestorm_ | haha nokia help don't be stupid!!! | 13:26 |
| frals | yes, im getting plenty of help from nokia | 13:26 |
| firestorm_ | coudln't even get ovi updated intime for release of the phone | 13:27 |
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| firestorm_ | which was really annoying :( | 13:27 |
| lcuk | firestorm_, you misinterpret intent with complexity | 13:27 |
| firestorm_ | lol no i understand mate, just a flagship phone and not even using there latest software. | 13:28 |
| firestorm_ | it's like microsoft releasing ie 8 but don't work on windows 7. | 13:28 |
| hrw | firestorm_: there are many things which can be told about nokia and how badly they work. | 13:29 |
| lcuk | firestorm_, its a completely different os | 13:29 |
| firestorm_ | oh of course hrw but isn't that like any company, all had bad points :) | 13:29 |
| hrw | firestorm_: none of Ovi services works out-of-box | 13:29 |
| firestorm_ | wasn't ovi for tne 97? | 13:29 |
| firestorm_ | isn't that running the same os as n900? | 13:29 |
| hrw | firestorm_: no, ovi.com is what I talk about | 13:30 |
| lcuk | i wish! symbian != linux | 13:30 |
| hrw | firestorm_: only n900 runs maemo | 13:30 |
| firestorm_ | ah lol i'll shut up and go to lunch then | 13:30 |
| firestorm_ | sorry i assumed it was the same !!!!! | 13:30 |
| hrw | np | 13:30 |
| * firestorm_ sits in his corner and carrys on playing with fmms | 13:30 | |
| firestorm_ | :( | 13:32 |
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| firestorm_ | what did the n97 run then? | 13:33 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 13:34 |
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| frals | hmm | 13:40 |
| frals | this is slightly worrying | 13:40 |
| frals | Daemon running. Samples: 116 Min: -71 Max: -8 Avg: -16.2155172414 | 13:40 |
| frals | Daemon NOT running. Samples: 117 Min: -41 Max: -8 Avg: -13.6581196581 | 13:40 |
| frals | avg mA drain over 10min recorded with ShadowJKs script | 13:40 |
| frals | ~curse ltrace for not handling .py | 13:41 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ltrace for not handling .py ! | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Wakeups? | 13:41 |
| frals | X-Fade: ye must be, but strace shows nothing at all so must be something else, no clue what though | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | frals: What is the benefit of having it running? | 13:42 |
| viliny | having what running? | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | The first time it start automatically? | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | Why not just close it after you are done? | 13:42 |
| frals | X-Fade: basically to make sure it gets the SMS Push properly, because there is a slight chance it might not start in time otherwise | 13:42 |
| X-Fade | It is not like you receive hundreds of messages a day? | 13:42 |
| frals | true, i'm going to experiment with having it die after its done processing instead | 13:43 |
| frals | wonder if theres a setting for dbus on how long to wait for a service to start | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | If your device is busy, it won't get the push sms anyway? | 13:43 |
| lcuk | hiya X-Fade \o | 13:44 |
| frals | the push sms gets through but my service might not start in time for dbus to send it a long (afaiu) | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | But you just register to listen to the dbus event, right? | 13:44 |
| frals | yeah | 13:45 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't that know to start the script then? | 13:45 |
| peetah | exit | 13:45 |
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| frals | it does, but it seems that if it takes to long to start the script it just sends the dbus event and then my script hasnt registered to listen to the event yet | 13:45 |
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| X-Fade | frals: C :) | 13:46 |
| frals | bah! ;) | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | frals: Does your script use the python speedup thingie? | 13:46 |
| X-Fade | launcher | 13:46 |
| frals | X-Fade: python speedup thingie? O_o | 13:46 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, pylauncher or something like that. Not sure if there was something for Maemo 5 though. | 13:48 |
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| frals | X-Fade: i will look in to it, thanks! | 13:49 |
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| X-Fade | frals: But yes, if the script takes 10 secs to start, it might be killed. | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | http://pylauncher.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:51 |
| frals | yeah seems not updated recently, going through the code to see what it does | 13:52 |
| X-Fade | Not sure if there is something in pymaemo doing that now. | 13:52 |
| lcuk | frals is this investigation something we could start a tmo thread about | 13:53 |
| lcuk | get community investigating it | 13:53 |
| X-Fade | Basically by forking a process where all libs are already loaded speeds things up. | 13:53 |
| frals | lcuk: probably, it seems like it could benefit all python gtk apps | 13:53 |
| * lcuk nods | 13:53 | |
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| X-Fade | frals: But does the fetch part really need all these heavy parts? | 13:55 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Doesn't need a gui? | 13:55 |
| frals | X-Fade: it doesnt, i think i've been sloppy with some imports which should make it work just fine if removed | 13:55 |
| X-Fade | It can just signal the gui part but run itself as a lightweight script. | 13:56 |
| pupnik | there is a 4 pixel wide spider on this n900 screen | 13:56 |
| frals | yes it what it does, but it imports my controller which imports gtk (due to having some gtk.style related functions), ill move the gtk import away and see how it works | 13:57 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=622298#post622298 | 13:57 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, frals ^ | 13:57 |
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| X-Fade | Yes, let's see. I don't use python myself, but starting a python app seems rather expensive. | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | is such a brainstorming session worthy of being tweeted and retweeted and stuff to try to get as many eyes as possible on it? | 14:01 |
| X-Fade | Btw, would precompiling help in speedup? | 14:02 |
| lcuk | yes more than likely | 14:02 |
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| lcuk | in the same way google do with the JS code (reduce variables to 1/2 char etc) anything which eases the job of the end machine | 14:02 |
| lcuk | but should really be discussing on the thread | 14:03 |
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| X-Fade | Ok, time to get some lunch :) | 14:04 |
| frals | right fixed the gtk import now anyway so the daemon doesnt import it, not sure about startup time but its taking 13MB less in memory :P | 14:05 |
| frals | now to make sure shit still works... ;) | 14:05 |
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| viliny | what are you building frals? | 14:06 |
| frals | fmms! | 14:06 |
| viliny | ok :) i have it installed but i don't know anyone who uses mms | 14:07 |
| viliny | might be the case for the finns who designed the n900 as well, not that used here | 14:07 |
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| achipa | ppl, that preloading thingie is a two edged sword - once we start preloading pygtk, pyside, pyqt and whatnot, we'll be all over the flash even before the first widget... | 14:36 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: But it will be only once ;) | 14:37 |
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| Macer | n900fly? | 14:38 |
| Macer | =) | 14:38 |
| lcuk | achipa, mention it in the brainstorming | 14:38 |
| lcuk | :) otherwise it will be lost | 14:38 |
| Macer | wonder how much money was lost with that one | 14:39 |
| achipa | on talk ? or the 'real' brainstorm ? | 14:39 |
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| Macer | measure how high you can throw your n900 | 14:39 |
| Macer | haha | 14:39 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 | 14:39 |
| lcuk | achipa, ^ | 14:39 |
| lcuk | its an open discussion now | 14:40 |
| achipa | lcuk: seems to me I already added this thought there :D | 14:40 |
| lcuk | not worrying about voting or anything :) | 14:40 |
| Anss| | Macer, i have wondered how that works. Does it need some kind of trampoline | 14:40 |
| lcuk | Macer, 3.51m | 14:40 |
| Macer | Anss|: honestly not going to even install it | 14:40 |
| lcuk | personal record whilst n900 was wrapped inside rolled up sleeping bag | 14:40 |
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| Macer | lcuk: hahahaha | 14:41 |
| Macer | surrounded by bubble wrap? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | no the sleeping bag is perfect lol | 14:41 |
| lcuk | i only did that when i kept banging it.. | 14:41 |
| lcuk | .. on the ceiling | 14:41 |
| achipa | anyone know the status of unladen-swallow ? | 14:45 |
| achipa | (while we are python performance) | 14:45 |
| Anss| | lcuk, sleeping bag sounds little bit of cheating ;) | 14:45 |
| achipa | (though that is prolly 2.6 at best, so tough luck Fremantle) | 14:45 |
| Macer | er | 14:46 |
| lcuk | Anss|, i am strongly in favour of keeping my n900 usable | 14:46 |
| Macer | sure does | 14:46 |
| Macer | lcuk: but the fear is half the fun | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | it wasnt the fear | 14:47 |
| Macer | like the highwire... nobody cares if there are nets | 14:47 |
| lcuk | it wasnt my house so i would wreck the plasterboard on the ceiling | 14:47 |
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| lcuk | it made a heck of a noise when it banged the first time | 14:47 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, do we know what's holding PR1.2 btw? is it the switch to lenny in SDK + dpkg-shlibdeps with symbol files? | 14:50 |
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| Jaffa | Corsac: That was done by the maemo.org community; Nokia/PR1.2 aren't involved. | 14:51 |
| Corsac | mh ok | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: SDK team was involved it sounded like | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | not PR1.2 though | 14:52 |
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| X-Fade | Corsac: The PR1.2 SDK won't have squeeze devkits, totally unrelated. | 14:53 |
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| hrw | Corsac: whats holding? internal nokia team is holding | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | jaffa do you have any observations you found about making python faster that you could share? i know you have lots of experience with it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50737 | 14:54 |
| Corsac | hrw: that's a who, not a what, nor a why :) | 14:55 |
| Brokkoly | Hmm, how is it going for an app for MMS ? | 14:55 |
| hrw | Corsac: I am free to think about 'internal nokia team' as what not who | 14:55 |
| hrw | bb in few | 14:55 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: will look later | 14:56 |
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| lcuk | k :) | 14:56 |
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| hrw | re | 15:01 |
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| * Noobmonk3y waves | 15:03 | |
| * nid0 nods | 15:03 | |
| * Noobmonk3y blinks | 15:03 | |
| * nid0 groans in pain | 15:04 | |
| Noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 15:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | long day? | 15:04 |
| * Termana hits you both over the head with a 2 x 4 | 15:04 | |
| Noobmonk3y | wohoooooooo | 15:04 |
| nid0 | more that I buggered up my back last night | 15:04 |
| nid0 | pulled a muscle in my back next to my spine | 15:04 |
| nid0 | been in agonising pain since | 15:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol was she worth it? | 15:04 |
| nid0 | sadly, I was just playing badminton | 15:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe | 15:05 |
| achipa | I just play bad, no mint on | 15:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 15:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | woooop to healthcheck, was just shy of 4000 downloads a few days ago! :) | 15:05 |
| nid0 | whens new version hitting testing :P | 15:05 |
| viliny | how hard is it to create apps for the N900? | 15:06 |
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| viliny | im ranging from complete newbie to moderate php programmer :/ | 15:07 |
| nid0 | its a piece of cake, if you know how to code | 15:07 |
| viliny | whats the language? | 15:07 |
| nid0 | python's probably going to be the most straightforward | 15:07 |
| viliny | i need to get on that then | 15:07 |
| viliny | thanks nid0 | 15:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol nid0, after 1.2 i think | 15:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | viliny, easy! | 15:08 |
| nid0 | if you're a moderate php coder, picking up python shouldnt be much of a struggle | 15:08 |
| viliny | is python cross platform like as... i can make something in python and expect all osses to be able to execute it? | 15:08 |
| hrw | viliny: basically yes | 15:09 |
| nid0 | pretty much | 15:09 |
| viliny | it requires client installations, though? | 15:09 |
| soracle | the problem with python is that it isn't always backwards compatible (in some cases) | 15:09 |
| soracle | but it rocks | 15:09 |
| hrw | soracle: maemo has 2.5 so not such problem now | 15:09 |
| soracle | (and kicks perls ass anyday) | 15:10 |
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| PhonicUK | has anyone tried xfce in easy debian? | 15:10 |
| viliny | PhonicUK: it comes with lxde? | 15:11 |
| PhonicUK | ? | 15:11 |
| PhonicUK | lxde != xfce? | 15:11 |
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| BCMM | anybody know how to stop my n900 setting my skype "real name" to my skype username? | 15:12 |
| viliny | ok, it does come with lxde in which case i haven't tested xfce on other than ubuntu desktop so far. Sorry for wasting your time | 15:12 |
| PhonicUK | yah it comes with lxde | 15:12 |
| BCMM | (it is a source of confusion to my not-really-computer-people parents) | 15:12 |
| hrw | BCMM: report bug in bugs.maemo.org | 15:13 |
| BCMM | hrw: are you sure it isn't just that i've failed to find the option to set it to what i want? | 15:13 |
| hrw | BCMM: but then nokia will mark it as WONTFIX probably | 15:13 |
| BCMM | hrw: why? | 15:13 |
| hrw | I do not use skype too much so did not noticed problems yet | 15:13 |
| hrw | BCMM: thats my feeling on maemo bugs | 15:14 |
| hrw | bb in few | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | BCMM: well, it's a bug, report it :) | 15:14 |
| BCMM | oh god, just found the option and feel kinda stupid | 15:15 |
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| BCMM | they call it "screen name", which i presumed meant username because i've used some IM software that used it that way | 15:15 |
| viliny | heh | 15:15 |
| viliny | i also found "only allow im from contacts i have in my list" to be a good thing to check - since i don't appreciate horny single wives or viagra peddles sending me 5 messages every 3 hours | 15:16 |
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| Corsac | everybody loves horny single wives | 15:17 |
| andrenarchy | hi everybody! i experience problems with modest+imap and *lots* of folders | 15:18 |
| viliny | a single wife is like a pregnant virgin | 15:18 |
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| andrenarchy | is there a way to unsubscribe imap folders? | 15:19 |
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| Anss| | single wife? | 15:19 |
| Anss| | wive | 15:19 |
| achipa | wave ? | 15:20 |
| viliny | wives, wife? | 15:20 |
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| Anss| | who? :) | 15:20 |
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| viliny | Skype spam Anss| :) | 15:20 |
| viliny | can python produce executable binaries for win32? | 15:21 |
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| Anss| | viliny, it can produce compiled objects (.pyc) but no executables afaik | 15:23 |
| Anss| | you probably need to add shebang :) | 15:24 |
| TomaszD | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/22/nokia-delays-symbian-3-investors-not-impressed/ | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | s/symbian-3/pr1.2/ | 15:25 |
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| TomaszD | :) | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | so.. | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | an update on browser memory usage | 15:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | it seems there's a non browser team addon which actively leaks memory each time we click on links | 15:25 |
| timeless_mbp | which partially explains why the perf team kept telling us that our browser was leaking... | 15:26 |
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| loft306 | hehe | 15:26 |
| timeless_mbp | (and probably also explains why each time we upgraded, and thus broke the addon for a few weeks, our memory usage temporarily improved) | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 15:27 |
| frals | hehe | 15:27 |
| PhonicUK | interesting | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | So you've now unbroken your wookie? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: did this plugin contain the letters O V and I? | 15:27 |
| TomaszD | haha | 15:27 |
| Anss| | void? | 15:27 |
| TomaszD | must be | 15:28 |
| Brokkoly | Will http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-mms/files/ work on n900 ? | 15:28 |
| * SpeedEvil suspects someone here will know. | 15:29 | |
| * SpeedEvil looks at frals. | 15:29 | |
| Brokkoly | :P | 15:29 |
| Anss| | viliny, though there is python distutils which might do the exe for you (py2exe). | 15:29 |
| frals | Brokkoly: more or less. you might want to check out fMMS | 15:29 |
| Brokkoly | fMMS <-- the name of the app? | 15:29 |
| frals | yepp | 15:29 |
| Brokkoly | Ok will check. | 15:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ooh, it does, how'd you guess? | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: because i suspect those people are sniffing way too much cocaine | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:34 |
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| Brokkoly | frade oh, hmm I have to be connected to internet to send with fMMS ? | 15:35 |
| Arkenoi | SIP client suddenly went crazy. Stopped connecting, i ran wireshark and it shows that it sends ssdp m-search broadcast and returns connection error immediately after | 15:36 |
| frals | Brokkoly: yes | 15:36 |
| achipa | Jaffa: hey, how do we post to the council blog ? or did I manage to miss that info, too ? | 15:36 |
| Brokkoly | Oh, bad :/ | 15:36 |
| frals | Brokkoly: how do you suggest sending otherwise? | 15:36 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Go to http://maemo.org/community/council/; log in if you haven't already; and do Page/Folder > New item... (in the Midgard toolbar) | 15:37 |
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| Brokkoly | frals with the operator you got in the phone, like on the other phones, or how is that working? | 15:37 |
| frals | Brokkoly: it works the same as in fMMS | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | through internet | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: does disable in add-ons actually work? | 15:38 |
| * crashanddie is writing a "SMS Analyser" | 15:38 | |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Nothing seems to happen when clicking on the disable button. | 15:38 |
| Brokkoly | frals oh really, hmm but I didnt connect my phone to internet when I was sending with MMS on my other phones. | 15:38 |
| frals | Brokkoly: yes you did, you just didnt realise ;) | 15:38 |
| Brokkoly | frals oh is that so? :O Crazy then :P | 15:39 |
| achipa | Is it just me or is that midgard toolbar thingy a very bad idea intuition/usability-wise ? | 15:39 |
| frals | X-Fade: I looked at closing the "parser" after each SMS push, but if two arrive after each other the second one gets missed... :/ | 15:39 |
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| viliny | is python able to create GUI's ? | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | frals: That is strange. | 15:39 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: so... should I wait for feedback a little more or post the thing ? | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | gents, do you know how in Python I can get a contact name from phone number? (well, name or other properties) | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Post the thing | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | (in python) | 15:40 |
| frals | crashanddie: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings | 15:40 |
| Jaffa | achipa: It's awful :-) | 15:40 |
| achipa | viliny: python is a generic programming language :) | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | frals: saw that, but it's ugly | 15:40 |
| frals | crashanddie: its the "nicest" way to do it afaik | 15:41 |
| frals | unless you want to use python-evolution and parse each contact manually, which is really slow :p | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: python-evolution; open 'Default'; iterate over all contacts; break if it matches | 15:41 |
| achipa | frals: that's almost like driving with your hood open | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: What frals says | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa, frals: but that doesn't allow to get other numbers from that contact | 15:42 |
| frals | X-Fade: I suspect its because my daemon has to register as a dbus service, and if i quit the mainloop after each method call the queued calls are thrown away | 15:42 |
| timeless_mbp | X-Fade: it should | 15:43 |
| viliny | heh... i really dislike the look of python code already :/ | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: not in mine. Basically a no-op. | 15:43 |
| frals | crashanddie: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/contacts.py#line69 is what i do, its a bit of a mess but it gets the job done | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: It gets focus, the dotted line shows in the button but nothing else happens. | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | frals: thanks | 15:44 |
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| hrw | frals: do you check *only* phone numbers? | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | frals: Hmm weird. | 15:44 |
| hrw | frals: check bug 8989 | 15:44 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8989 number -> name decoding for sms should only be decoded from phone number fields of contacts | 15:44 |
| frals | hrw: uh, not sure, depends on how osso_abook.osso_abook_query_phone_number(number, fuzzy) works | 15:45 |
| hrw | frals: add facebook or icq account and check? | 15:46 |
| Arkenoi | SMS analyser? So we will be able to detect spoofed SMS looking at originator SMSC, as on s80? | 15:46 |
| frals | X-Fade: it might be down to my implementation though | 15:46 |
| frals | timeless_mbp, X-Fade: seems like a noop here as well... how do i tell if the addon actually got disabled? | 15:47 |
| frals | right, adblock got disabled just fine, only ovi addon acting up | 15:47 |
| Corsac | hmhm, what exactly does MAFW mean? | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | frals: indeed. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | frals: adblock disables fine. | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | frals: how slow is that? | 15:48 |
| frals | crashanddie: it takes about ~0.1sec to init the ctypes stuff, havent measured each lookup but it shouldnt be that slow | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | frals: so the self.ebook is not using evolution, right? | 15:49 |
| frals | self.ebook is, but the lookup is done through osso-abook | 15:49 |
| frals | crashanddie: in my experience that way is faster than doing it through python-evolution bindings | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | yeah yeah, I heard evolution was dog slow | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | frals: ok, I'll analyse that, thanks for the tip | 15:50 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 15:51 | |
| achipa | why does the article look like CRAP ? grrrr | 15:51 |
| timeless_mbp | for me, the addon in question isn't compatible w/ my browser, so it isn't enabled :) | 15:51 |
| * achipa is not a maemo.org (or maybe midgard) fan | 15:51 | |
| achipa | (styling wise) | 15:51 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, ive got half an idea forming about something | 15:52 |
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| frals | fuckin hell it wont even let me uninstall the ovi addon | 15:52 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Nope ;) | 15:55 |
| frals | X-Fade: very good feature ;) | 15:55 |
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| X-Fade | frals: I blame timeless_mbp . | 15:56 |
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| X-Fade | There should be some ini/xml file you can edit though. | 15:57 |
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| viliny | Python was supposed to be easy eh? i get an headache reading it :P | 15:59 |
| lcuk | upgrade your brain to human1.2 and dit becomes readable | 15:59 |
| lcuk | and it | 15:59 |
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| viliny | ill have to take another try at it when im not sleep deprived | 16:02 |
| viliny | i don't get this whole interactive IDLE thing though | 16:02 |
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| viliny | seems like a pain in the ass to code something with something that talks back :) | 16:03 |
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| Gizmokid2005|AFK | frals: ping | 16:08 |
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| ceolin[AWAY] | hey folks, someone knows how can I locates the application name ? | 16:10 |
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| hrw | ceolin: in package description? | 16:10 |
| achipa | Jaffa: torpedos, los ! posted in 1000 places. | 16:10 |
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| hrw | achipa: that qt mail you mean? | 16:11 |
| achipa | hrw: yes | 16:11 |
| ceolin | hrw: I try to do this in the .desktop, but doesn't works | 16:11 |
| frals | Gizmokid2005: yes? | 16:11 |
| hrw | I see long time before qt 4.6 will get really used in maemo5 ;( | 16:12 |
| Gizmokid2005 | frals: Any reason why the notification of new SMS push for MMS shows up in email instead of (or with) the converstaions notification? | 16:12 |
| Gizmokid2005 | pm if you'd like | 16:12 |
| TigerTael | me love you long time. | 16:12 |
| Scelt | PR 1.2 OUT? | 16:12 |
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| hrw | Scelt: is 12 november today? | 16:13 |
| frals | Gizmokid2005: because ive not added my own category to the correct file as it was a real mess last i looked at it | 16:13 |
| TigerTael | Scelt, it's been out for YEARS | 16:13 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Scelt: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <-- do your own work :P | 16:13 |
| Scelt | \o/ | 16:13 |
| Gizmokid2005 | frals: ok, so it's not really a bug, just by design still | 16:13 |
| frals | Gizmokid2005: yes, by design ;) | 16:13 |
| Gizmokid2005 | frals: ok good :) I notice everything else has been working great. Anytime I've tried to send/rec MMS, it's been happy and I can even delete the MMS now :P | 16:14 |
| frals | :) | 16:14 |
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| ceolin | hrw: do you have any suggestion to solve this problem ? | 16:15 |
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| achipa | hrw: as in apps or ? there are 50ish qt4.6 apps/packages in there already | 16:17 |
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| hrw | ceolin: check ovi store desktop for example. for me (pl_PL) it is 'Sklep' which is translated name | 16:18 |
| ceolin | hrw: ok, I'll check | 16:18 |
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| hrw | achipa: today developer has to choose: app for users or for devs. first choice == 4.5 which do not follow style guide and require some extra work. second choice = 4.6 which has maemo5 support done in other way and require extras-devel so small amount of users | 16:19 |
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| achipa | hrw: well long time in that context means 'time until PR1.2' | 16:20 |
| achipa | 'long' would be the wrong term there, though, more like 'undefined' | 16:20 |
| E0x | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/22/super-prekernel-is-the-one-touch-way-to-make-your-pre-or-pre-plu/ | 16:21 |
| hrw | achipa: and pr1.2 can be 12 november 2013 or tomorrow. I vote rather for 2 november | 16:21 |
| E0x | kernel overclocking on fly ! | 16:21 |
| E0x | n900 can have that too , hmmm | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | you can already oc on the device | 16:22 |
| E0x | but not on fly AFAIK | 16:22 |
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| bib38 | Hello | 16:27 |
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| korhojoa | Hmm. so, anyone know what this is about? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=614664#post614664 | 16:32 |
| E0x | bah | 16:33 |
| E0x | MohammadAG: that news lie , is not on fly is just do the process of install a new kernel | 16:33 |
| E0x | easy | 16:33 |
| E0x | need reboot | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:33 |
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| MohammadAG | titan's kernel doesn't install a new kernel after each reflash | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | after each overclock | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | w/e | 16:34 |
| E0x | but you need reboot when you do OC ? | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | think not | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | but i really don't give a **** :) | 16:35 |
| E0x | my mainboard do something that could nice in n900 is a dynamic overclocking | 16:35 |
| E0x | when the machine is 100% i need more power | 16:36 |
| E0x | do a overclock | 16:36 |
| E0x | dynamic and on fly | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | that's stupid to do btw | 16:36 |
| E0x | why ? | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | cause when you overclock it stays at idle till you load it with something | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG | so dynamic oc'ing would be poinless, since it already controls frequency | 16:37 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: ah ok | 16:38 |
| E0x | is in some way the same thing | 16:38 |
| E0x | after all | 16:38 |
| nid0 | well yes, overclocking an n900 basically *is* dynamic overclocking | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, even without oc'ing, it controls frequency | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't get locked @ max frequency obviously | 16:39 |
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| nid0 | I know, but my point is that oc'ing to for example 800mhz *is* a dynamic overclock, because itll only go up from 125/250 when it needs to | 16:40 |
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| bib38 | How many degrees celsius should not exceed in overclock ? | 16:40 |
| * Stskeeps twitches | 16:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | bib38: there is no temperature meter. | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | temperature isn't the only concern | 16:41 |
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| X-Fade | Temperature probably is not an issue at all for the cpu, but more for the lcd which is above it when closed ;) | 16:42 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, at least the lcd can be replaced, unlike the cpu | 16:42 |
| korhojoa | Seriously. The package isn't there. | 16:43 |
| * frals forces Stskeeps to take part in "Overclock your N900" discussion(s) | 16:43 | |
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| korhojoa | No-one cares? | 16:45 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: "you're all idiots. <EOF>" | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:45 |
| frals | Stskeeps: :D | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:45 |
| bib38 | Speedevil : If there have a temperature sensor with the application cpufrequi | 16:46 |
| korhojoa | ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG | bib38, he means there's no hw temperature sensor | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | except for the one near the battery | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRRRRRRRRRRR | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | which isn't very near the cpu | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | or the battery | 16:47 |
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| * SpeedEvil gives MohammadAG a beetroot. | 16:48 | |
| * MohammadAG gives it back and says he's already drunk from tmo threads | 16:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you're insane | 16:49 |
| frals | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/22/1228228/Apple-To-Buy-ARM | 16:49 |
| frals | o_O | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | what?! | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo is highly toxic - see what it gives us serveral times every single day | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: makes perfect sense. | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | frals, you just unmade my day | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | frals: anticompetitive lawsuit here we og | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | go | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Buy ARM, sell new licenses only to companies that agree not to sell into phones, profit! | 16:50 |
| frals | SpeedEvil, Stskeeps: yeah | 16:50 |
| MohammadAG | = end of Nokia? | 16:51 |
| morefish_ | O.o | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: naah | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | nokia's flexible in that regard | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | well at least we have intel | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: arm is just the most common one | 16:51 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: there is mips too | 16:51 |
| jaska | not to sell into phones? wouldnt that be most of arm users anyway?:) | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: they can't exactly redact TI's license:P | 16:51 |
| TigerTael | haha | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | aren't mips crap? :) | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | (no seriously) | 16:51 |
| * MohammadAG looks at his PSP | 16:52 | |
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| E0x | exist other low-consumer cpu | 16:52 |
| E0x | mpi | 16:52 |
| E0x | mip example | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | apple bragged about creating their own SoC for next spyPhone. Maybe they realized there are less painful ways to avoid a epic fail | 16:52 |
| RST38h | "An article in the London Evening Standard claims that Apple has made an $8 billion offer to acquire ARM Holdings." | 16:52 |
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| korhojoa | VIA ? | 16:52 |
| E0x | and VIA have ones too | 16:52 |
| * RST38h laughs diabolically, starts drawing a pentagram | 16:52 | |
| E0x | and that is just a rumors | 16:52 |
| E0x | but all apple rumer get real :D | 16:52 |
| E0x | soon or later | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: where's your warning? | 16:53 |
| TomaszD | holy shit frals is on a roll lately | 16:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | TomaszD: a nice sourdough one, with seeds? | 16:55 |
| TomaszD | ...I... I guess... | 16:55 |
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| TomaszD | the damn config dialog doesn't pop up at startup anymore | 16:56 |
| TomaszD | frals, there are a couple of strings translators could handle, are you planning i18n support before 1.0? | 16:57 |
| frals | TomaszD: i plan to get localization in there, depending on another blocker it might happen before 1.0 | 16:57 |
| TomaszD | frals, ok | 16:58 |
| frals | basically if im not getting the stuff i need for autoconfig im gonna do the localization stuff | 16:58 |
| frals | needs some recoding as i been a lazy bastard in places and comparing to strings where i sohuldnt :p | 16:58 |
| TomaszD | frals, IMHO you shouldn't release 1.0 before l10n support, but that's just MHO | 16:58 |
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| lcuk | wazd, if you were going to make an 480*800 ui to do conversations, how would you expect it to look? could you prototype it in your flash? | 17:14 |
| TigerTael | I would like it to have flying widgets all over the screen, and they most move pretty fast. | 17:16 |
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| TigerTael | No need for text input or anything. | 17:16 |
| pupnik | and blinking text | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | fast and smoothly | 17:16 |
| TigerTael | SMOOTH is a requirement. | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | also - rotating and spinning in 4 dimensions. | 17:17 |
| lcuk | TigerTael, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q :) | 17:17 |
| lcuk | watch all of it :p | 17:17 |
| TigerTael | SpeedEvil, what about zooming in and out? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | how do I restart tracker? | 17:17 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: just kill it? | 17:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: open media player | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | I did that, it still shows no songs | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | (had to hard reset it, but it's not rebuilding the db) | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | wait a bit | 17:18 |
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| TigerTael | lcuk, looking at it, waiting for load. | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | or at least it did for me | 17:19 |
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| TigerTael | aha, sweet. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: MWKN heads up: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001792.html | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | cpu load is close to 0 | 17:19 |
| TigerTael | You know what bugs me about the photo section? When you turn the phone quickly 180, sometimes the rotation is a bit jerky. | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't tracker put some load on it? | 17:19 |
| valdyn | MohammadAG: sure it should | 17:20 |
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| valdyn | MohammadAG: or it should mostly cause i/o load, but unfortunately causes both | 17:20 |
| TigerTael | It makes me feel sad. :{ | 17:20 |
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| * lcuk nods | 17:21 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: nice | 17:21 |
| frals | Stskeeps: nice info | 17:21 |
| TigerTael | Guys, I'm serious about this 180 degree photo bug... | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | looks like i need a reboot | 17:22 |
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| valdyn | TigerTael: why is it relevant that the rotation is jerky? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: wtf is up with those long lines :) | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: dunno, mail client problem. i think i have same issue on gmail. It wraps fine for me | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, I wonder why it doesn't do that in the archive though. | 17:23 |
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| TigerTael | valdyn, the user experience is crap? | 17:24 |
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| TigerTael | I think user experience is very relevant. | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, tracker isn't refreshing | 17:25 |
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| valdyn | TigerTael: I cant reproduce that unless I run something in the background | 17:25 |
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| TigerTael | valdyn, I have it all the time. | 17:26 |
| TigerTael | Hold your phone almost flat, and then tilt it in the other direction so the phone thinks it has done a 180 degree rotation. | 17:26 |
| TigerTael | Repeat. | 17:26 |
| valdyn | TigerTael: while having what exactly on the screen? | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | ah crap | 17:26 |
| MohammadAG | home's full again | 17:27 |
| TigerTael | A photo taken with your camera. | 17:27 |
| TigerTael | 5mp for example. | 17:27 |
| nid0 | whenever I do that I get the image perfectly smoothly rotating through 180 then another 180 on and on | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | TigerTael: Nearly every camera has that same issue. | 17:27 |
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| TigerTael | X-Fade, and so? | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | TigerTael: Try shooting pictures straight down. | 17:27 |
| TigerTael | That makes it cool? | 17:27 |
| TigerTael | This is not about shooting pictures. | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | No, that is just because it can't detect that. | 17:27 |
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| nid0 | whats the issue..? | 17:27 |
| TigerTael | Hold on, let me copy and paste for you. | 17:28 |
| pupnik | raptors | 17:28 |
| TigerTael | [16:19:40] <TigerTael> You know what bugs me about the photo section? When you turn the phone quickly 180, sometimes the rotation is a bit jerky. | 17:28 |
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| valdyn | TigerTael: i got something worse, fullscreen is broken at that photo app | 17:28 |
| TigerTael | valdyn, sounds like you busted your maemo. | 17:28 |
| nid0 | I thought so. I get no jerkiness when rotating. | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | Accelerometers don't record certain movements. | 17:28 |
| TigerTael | It's nothing to do with accelerometers. | 17:28 |
| TigerTael | When doing a picture rotation, viewing a 5mp image that was taken previously, rotating straight to 180 degrees, image rotation is sometimes jerky. | 17:29 |
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| TigerTael | Although I have the same problem with smaller pictures. | 17:29 |
| valdyn | TigerTael: nah, its working now | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | TigerTael: You mean in the viewer? | 17:29 |
| TigerTael | When you're viewing the image... Photo viewer if you want to call it that. | 17:29 |
| valdyn | TigerTael: its a little jerky i could say, but its nothing that hurts usability anyway | 17:30 |
| TigerTael | valdyn, sometimes it gets stuck for like 500 msec. | 17:30 |
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| valdyn | TigerTael: not for me | 17:30 |
| TigerTael | User experience matters... | 17:30 |
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| X-Fade | TigerTael: Fixed in PR1.2 | 17:31 |
| TigerTael | X-Fade, for real real? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | As I can't reproduce it. | 17:31 |
| TigerTael | Oh, you have 1.2? | 17:31 |
| valdyn | TigerTael: sure, but i know people who dont give a shit about smooth scrolling but everything about something *I* consider irrelevant | 17:31 |
| TigerTael | valdyn, the device wasn't made for you. | 17:32 |
| nid0 | .... | 17:32 |
| lcuk | .... | 17:32 |
| TigerTael | :D | 17:32 |
| lcuk | valdyn, what matters to you?> | 17:32 |
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| MohammadAG | does the N900 support ext4? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | smooth user experience is a feature | 17:33 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: no. | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | the N900 almost has it | 17:33 |
| TigerTael | mgedmin, I agree. | 17:33 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: not the default-kernel | 17:33 |
| valdyn | lcuk: speed | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | Treibholz, mine has a mkfs.ext4 file, so i was wondering.. | 17:33 |
| lcuk | valdyn, :) arent we all | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | binary* | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | TigerTael: Ah you mean it pauses at a 45 degree angle when really turning it a lot? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | help | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | Treibholz, what about ext3? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | talk to people about making small changes | 17:34 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: ext3 is working and used. | 17:34 |
| lcuk | together they should add up | 17:34 |
| TigerTael | X-Fade, well not necessarily 45 degree... but yes... | 17:34 |
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| MohammadAG | k, just making sure it doesn't need a kernel | 17:34 |
| TigerTael | And then, if I rotate 90 degree after that, I've had the same jerky rotation. ;/ | 17:34 |
| valdyn | this is sloppy anyway that the picture rotation stutters | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | TigerTael: I only get it when I get really ADD on the thing. | 17:35 |
| lcuk | for me, rotation occurs too much :$ | 17:35 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: /home is ext3 | 17:35 |
| lcuk | i take photos that fill the screen | 17:35 |
| lcuk | with device rotated | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | It you encounter that, then you forgot to take your pills. | 17:35 |
| lcuk | when i see it i wantto see it full | 17:35 |
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| TigerTael | I like my N900 over my previous android phone... | 17:35 |
| * haltdef_ came from windows mobile | 17:36 | |
| valdyn | TigerTael: btw, the n900 is made just for me, even if nokia would never admit that ;) | 17:36 |
| haltdef_ | n900 blows it away, so responsive :P | 17:36 |
| TigerTael | valdyn, I beg to differ. | 17:36 |
| TigerTael | haltdef_, yeah I had WM before Android. | 17:36 |
| TigerTael | 5+6 | 17:37 |
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| TigerTael | Before that, Symbian S60... | 17:37 |
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| TigerTael | And also Symbian UIQ | 17:38 |
| wao | TigerTael: what was you previous android phone? | 17:38 |
| haltdef_ | been on WM since 2003 or so, dell axim x50v -> htc universal -> xperia x1 .. palm OS on a zire 72 before that :p | 17:38 |
| wazd | lcuk: no I can't | 17:38 |
| TigerTael | wao, HTC Magic, Android 1.5, Android 1.6, Android 2.x | 17:38 |
| Treibholz | haltdef_: the htc universal runs linux! | 17:38 |
| korhojoa | so what's the verdict on smartreflex? | 17:38 |
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| haltdef_ | never in a usable way afaik | 17:39 |
| korhojoa | Use it if your phone works with it, don't if it doesn't ? | 17:39 |
| haltdef_ | I broke mine anyway :P | 17:39 |
| valdyn | is there a kernel for the n900 yet with colivas' scheduler? | 17:39 |
| Treibholz | haltdef_: no, but neither was it useable with WM6 :-) | 17:39 |
| wao | TigerTael: oh, i'm quite negative to the htc. I'm waitin for the samsung galaxy s | 17:39 |
| wao | :) | 17:39 |
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| TigerTael | wao, I refuse to buy HTC again. | 17:39 |
| haltdef_ | me too | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | reasons? | 17:40 |
| haltdef_ | nothing useful out of them for a while now :P | 17:40 |
| wao | TigerTael: well, friend of mine recoomends me a HTC desire, but.. I just refuse :) | 17:40 |
| jacekowski | opentyrian is fubar | 17:40 |
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| pupnik | n900 is the one with real linux and usable kbd | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | valdyn: ck patchset is dead for over 3 years now | 17:41 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: the bfs isnt dead, its rather alive and new | 17:41 |
| hrw | jacekowski: bfs is newer stuff from ck | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 17:41 |
| valdyn | and that photo rotation jerkiness would be a great way to see it do something useful | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | is it any better than staircase-deadline? | 17:42 |
| frals | so this guy said fmms was draining his battery faster (which might be true actually) and just to get some more figures from him he says the last version doesnt do it anymore, in which ive fixed nothing... >_< | 17:42 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: he has benchmarks up | 17:42 |
| TigerTael | MohammadAG, HTC devices aren't made that well. I've had two HTC devices die on me or fail in some way... | 17:42 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: its for "small" machines | 17:42 |
| TigerTael | MohammadAG, HTC support is terrible, their company practices suck. I had to reverse engineer the kernel for the HTC Magic for the community. | 17:43 |
| valdyn | ( where small means < 16 cores or somesuch ) | 17:43 |
| corecode_ | any news on the usb host efforts? | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to check it | 17:43 |
| TigerTael | And then, after my week of reverse engineering it, they release their version... which sucked. ;P | 17:43 |
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| valdyn | while the scheduler thats actually on the n900 is for scalability up to 1024 or more iirc | 17:44 |
| TigerTael | The effect that had, the community wasn't as excited as when HTC released it because I released my version which worked flawlessly a week prior. | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | i was using old .21 i think it was because of ck patchset | 17:44 |
| TigerTael | Anyways, gtg. | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | and there was really usefull swap frefetch thing in it as well | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | prefetch* | 17:45 |
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| valdyn | jacekowski: thats in mainline iirc | 17:45 |
| corecode_ | valdyn: did you try the bfs? | 17:45 |
| valdyn | corecode_: no, i would have to backport the patch... | 17:45 |
| hrw | I solved swap problems in easier way | 17:45 |
| corecode_ | valdyn: did somebody consider porting the changes to a more recent kernel? | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | and i had my own patches for oom killer | 17:46 |
| valdyn | corecode_: im googling, i dont see anything promising | 17:46 |
| Shapeshifter | So. Apple wants to buy ARM. | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | i think it might be worth porting part of it to n900 kernel | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: not going to happen | 17:47 |
| Terje_ | Shapeshifter, or somebody wants to just spread a rumor and win by traiding stock. | 17:47 |
| Shapeshifter | hopefully not | 17:47 |
| Terje_ | trading | 17:47 |
| corecode_ | what would they gain in buying arm? | 17:48 |
| valdyn | theres alot more money interested in keeping arm independent i think | 17:48 |
| corecode_ | and why would not intel have done that before... | 17:48 |
| valdyn | corecode_: intel cant, monopoly suit and probably conviction would follow | 17:48 |
| Termana | valdyn: If you wait for the work to be done for the MeeGo kernel, there will be an n900 .33 kernel and you can apply BFS on top of that | 17:48 |
| valdyn | Termana: oh, cool | 17:49 |
| hrw | valdyn: but do not expect that maemo5 will work with that kernel | 17:49 |
| lcuk | wazd ok | 17:49 |
| valdyn | hrw: why not? | 17:49 |
| corecode_ | Termana: good point | 17:49 |
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| hrw | valdyn: it may work or not | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: replacing SGX libs it might actually | 17:50 |
| corecode_ | Termana: any idea how soon that will be available? | 17:50 |
| valdyn | hrw: yea, true. I just think its likely it will work. | 17:50 |
| corecode_ | now, usb host, anybody? | 17:50 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: is dsp interface which nokia uses still in .33? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: it's dspbridge in maemo5, not gw | 17:50 |
| hrw | ok | 17:51 |
| Termana | corecode_: May release acording to Harri Hakulinen | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | most of the patches are already on meego-dev | 17:51 |
| Termana | That too | 17:51 |
| Termana | :P | 17:51 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: just after I left that ml... | 17:51 |
| Termana | hrw: Archives | 17:52 |
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| corecode_ | Termana: oh cool | 17:52 |
| corecode_ | so that will happen before 1.2? :) | 17:52 |
| Termana | heh rimshot | 17:52 |
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| MohammadAG | damn tracker | 17:54 |
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| corecode_ | as it seems, meego is easier to access, source-wise | 17:58 |
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| corecode_ | oh god, they're using quilt on the kernel sources | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | watching outright optimism turn to abstract horror in under 10 seconds, priceless. | 18:01 |
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| corecode_ | they always get me | 18:01 |
| corecode_ | why would they do that? | 18:02 |
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| corecode_ | why not just a kernel source fork? | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | quilt where? :P | 18:03 |
| * Termana chucks Stskeeps his blanky. | 18:04 | |
| Termana | THERE | 18:04 |
| mece | LOL | 18:04 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | Is there some way of enabling and disabling bluetooth over dbus or by any other scriptable means? I found this on the forums (for n810) but it doesn't work on maemo5: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:discoverable | 18:05 |
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| Treibholz | is there another editor with syntax-highlighting except vim? | 18:09 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, is there an extra space in that command | 18:10 |
| lcuk | at the "org.bluez /org" | 18:10 |
| lcuk | it looks like it shouldnt be there - did you pull that string out of tmo | 18:10 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: i still need to do that bug report. ended up working half the night instead :/ | 18:11 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: yes I did. I retried without the gap and now it says Must use org.mydomain.Interface.Method notation, no dot in "string:discoverable". | 18:12 |
| Shapeshifter | haven't used dbus actively a lot :| | 18:12 |
| lcuk | me neither, but i know tmo cuts long lines and things like that space missing confuse it | 18:12 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, looks like that might not be it http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AdapterModes | 18:13 |
| lcuk | original bluez wiki has same strings | 18:13 |
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| mece | oh noes, I killed tmo | 18:15 |
| mece | http://www.hedwerks.net/images/omfgonoz.gif | 18:15 |
| Shapeshifter | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "SetMode" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist... | 18:15 |
| * Shapeshifter wishes back dcop | 18:16 | |
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| Shapeshifter | not even org.bluez exists | 18:24 |
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| achipa | sooo... what EXACTLY are the requirements for Nokia Messaging to show up in the service providers ? | 18:26 |
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| ZogG_N900 | hey | 18:28 |
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| ZogG_N900 | sup? | 18:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | does fmms has irc chan? | 18:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG_, here? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | kind of | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The developer is here | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | ^ | 18:29 |
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| ZogG_N900 | what phone company do u use? | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | Orange | 18:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | goooood | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ZogG: ask the question | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | frals has a wiki on operator settings | 18:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | i saw it | 18:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | i just want my virgin connection settings | 18:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, do you have fmms? | 18:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, i wanted to ask if there is a way to back up connection settings? | 18:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | !ping me | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | back up? | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, get the operator_settings file and let it autoconfigure | 18:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | i mean restore ?) | 18:32 |
| achipa | is there anyone who HAS flashed his N900 and manages to set up Nokia Messaging afterwards ? | 18:32 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, u mean to delete it? | 18:32 |
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| korhojoa | achipa: what do you mean nokia messaging? | 18:33 |
| andre__ | achipa: depends on the country I'd say | 18:33 |
| achipa | andre__: what country ? | 18:34 |
| achipa | achipa: SIM, IP-based, regional ? cause all three are different | 18:34 |
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| achipa | korhojoa: the push mail thingy | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/operator_settings.noext | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | save it in /etc as operator_settings | 18:36 |
| ZogG_N900 | huh | 18:36 |
| ZogG_N900 | xchat has popups | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, yeah | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | i reflashed about 20-30 times | 18:37 |
| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, is it original? | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, it's from PR1.2 | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | the sdk to be more precise | 18:37 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: aand ? does it appear ? | 18:37 |
| ZogG_N900 | oh | 18:37 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, yes, it does appear | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | no problems with NM here | 18:37 |
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| ZogG_N900 | MohammadAG, and if delete this file would it try to recreate itself? | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, it contains operator settings | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | fmms should detect the settings automatically | 18:39 |
| ZogG_N900 | i understand that but i never changed the settings so somehower maemo got them. | 18:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | fmms just screwed all my settings | 18:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | btw do u use fmms? | 18:40 |
| ZogG_N900 | and do u have 2 apn's with fapn? | 18:40 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: what's your N900's country (mine offers Finland by default) | 18:40 |
| achipa | ? | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | US device, global firmware, israel | 18:41 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, the newest version of fmms doesn't need apns | 18:41 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i updated and it's gone | 18:42 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i mean settings | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, download the operator settings file and place it in /etc | 18:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | btw what is the difference between firmwares? | 18:43 |
| ZogG_N900 | i mean global asia and so on | 18:43 |
| MohammadAG | emergency numbers afaik | 18:44 |
| ZogG_N900 | that's all? | 18:44 |
| nid0 | its not even emergency numbers | 18:44 |
| nid0 | at least not between uk <> global | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | so what is it | 18:45 |
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| nid0 | no clue | 18:45 |
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| nid0 | but im on the global firmware and it perfectly well recognises the uk emergency number | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | i think there's a 99999 emergency number | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | actually not sure what it is | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | but someone mentioned it here | 18:46 |
| nid0 | you mean 999? | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | could be | 18:46 |
| nid0 | thats the uk emergency number | 18:46 |
| nid0 | and global firmware recognises it | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | not here | 18:47 |
| nid0 | in what way? | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | it depends on the sim card then | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | the lock code screen | 18:47 |
| nid0 | mine recognises it at the lock code screen with no sim in | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | mine doesn't recognize it with the sim | 18:47 |
| nid0 | you sure its the lock code screen, not the sim lock screen? | 18:48 |
| nid0 | the latter wont recognise 999 with a non uk sim, and thats because of the sim, the phone's firmware makes no difference | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | 112 is hardcoded to GSM worldwide. Other emergency #s may be propagated by carrier's network | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG | nid0, lock screen | 18:49 |
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| nid0 | beats me then, the device lock code screen regonises 999 fine for me with or without a sim | 18:49 |
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| MohammadAG | haven't tried without a sim | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: it's not the SIM, it's the network to deliver alternative emrgency numbers. Even without SIM your modem scans for networks available *to call an emergency number* | 18:51 |
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| jamesw | hi all | 18:52 |
| jamesw | is anyone aware of a new maemo device coming out soon? i really need to get a new phone and the n900 looks good but I am concerned something better will come out soon | 18:53 |
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| haltdef_ | it always does | 18:53 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: If thats the case I wish whatever magic smoke was used to do it was available the rest of the time - When this discussion last came up I went to the extent of going somewhere I know for an absolute solid fact no networks have any coverage whatsoever, tried entering 999 at the device lock screen, and *the very instant* I entered the 3rd 9, the pad gave me the emergency call option | 18:53 |
| Disconnect | jamesw: all the new devices are announced here first, so that they don't have to do all that advertising and marketing or anything. makes sure their competitors like htc and palm aren't surprised either.. | 18:54 |
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| nid0 | if that's not built into the firmware, it's some damn clever darknet they arent letting joe public in on | 18:54 |
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| jamesw | i realize it may seem silly to ask in here Disconnect but i did just do some googling with not much luck | 18:54 |
| jamesw | so i was hoping someone in here would have the heads up | 18:54 |
| Disconnect | ..right. because its secret. | 18:54 |
| jamesw | a lot of times it is.. :) | 18:54 |
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| jamesw | don't have to be a dick about it | 18:55 |
| Disconnect | thats my point. its not a secret if you can just wander over and say "tell me" | 18:55 |
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| jamesw | anyone helpful? | 18:55 |
| ZogG_N900 | pro ping out | 18:55 |
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| ZogG_N900 | anyway it didn't help | 18:56 |
| ZogG_N900 | changed it and rebooted. nothing happened | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: that's not darknet, that's probably cache | 19:05 |
| korhojoa | Hey, is it safe to move the apt caches out to emmc ? | 19:05 |
| PhonicUK | how do you edit the menu in lxde? | 19:05 |
| korhojoa | I mean, that would save ~30 megs | 19:05 |
| PhonicUK | korhojoa, the package cache is safe to move | 19:05 |
| PhonicUK | i moved it to MyDocs | 19:06 |
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| korhojoa | "someone" should make a wiki entry on keeping the rootfs in better shape | 19:06 |
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| korhojoa | :P | 19:06 |
| E0x | PhonicUK: you can do a symlink | 19:06 |
| E0x | to Mydocs | 19:06 |
| nid0 | a wiki entry for 1 line? | 19:06 |
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| korhojoa | nevermind. it helps to search with different keywords in the wiki. found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 19:07 |
| PhonicUK | thats what i did | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: for registration speedup at power-on, all sorts of info about last associated BTS are stored to some flash inside modem usually | 19:07 |
| PhonicUK | anyone know how to modify the Lxce desktop? | 19:07 |
| Treibholz | what is Lxce? | 19:08 |
| PhonicUK | not desktop | 19:08 |
| PhonicUK | menu | 19:08 |
| PhonicUK | *LXDE not LXCE | 19:08 |
| PhonicUK | its the default desktop for the N900 version of debian | 19:08 |
| Treibholz | PhonicUK: try ~/.config/ | 19:08 |
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| nid0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSdxqIBfEAw | 19:10 |
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| Treibholz | nid0: there are even teachers for English in German schools, who cannot pronounce the 'th' properly. | 19:13 |
| achipa | how do I disable skype ? as in, I don't want it to create network traffic | 19:14 |
| Treibholz | nid0: but I guess it's similar to English German teachers which the 'ch' | 19:14 |
| Treibholz | achipa: logout. | 19:14 |
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| achipa | Treibholz: on an N900 ? :) | 19:14 |
| Treibholz | achipa: logout from skype. | 19:14 |
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| nid0 | Treibholz: I dunno, we can say "ch" quite alright | 19:14 |
| nid0 | what gives brits a hard time is rolling r's | 19:14 |
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| achipa | Treibholz: nope, does not help, still goes aaround | 19:14 |
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| korhojoa | Why can't places hire people who actually speak english instead of those who think they do? | 19:15 |
| nid0 | achipa, eh? just set your availability to offline | 19:15 |
| nid0 | no more network traffic | 19:15 |
| achipa | nid0: so you think | 19:15 |
| achipa | open tcpdump | 19:15 |
| nid0 | well, so I know | 19:15 |
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| achipa | set yourself in offline mode | 19:15 |
| Treibholz | nid0: most German can't say a rolling r, either. | 19:15 |
| achipa | and take a peek | 19:15 |
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| korhojoa | It annoyed me enough when I had to get a private tutor in primary school due to the teacher and I getting annoyed when I kept noticing and correcting her mistakes. | 19:16 |
| nid0 | my sister did private tuition for a while a few years back | 19:17 |
| nid0 | (shes english and lives in germany) | 19:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | just say Chuchichäschtli | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's that? | 19:18 |
| Shapeshifter | the swiss word for kitchen cupboard | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: powerful tools like tcpdump might give you lots of proper data output that's just hard to interpret if you're not used to it | 19:19 |
| korhojoa | How the deuce is that pronounced? | 19:19 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: okay, I understand | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly like itz writtn | 19:20 |
| * achipa goes to make some coffee | 19:20 | |
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| Shapeshifter | korhojoa: he's not doing a bad job (though way too fast): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU0zeeFNZrQ&feature=related | 19:21 |
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| achipa | of course, there is always the possibility that I have some trojan that trows udp crap around | 19:21 |
| ZogG_N900 | SpeedEvil, are u still here? | 19:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:21 |
| Shapeshifter | korhojoa: also, the swiss dude at the start says it right. the rest is just hilarious for a swiss viewer ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_sPkxfKp-U | 19:21 |
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| ZogG_N900 | can u tell me what files did fmms 0.7 changed for connections? | 19:22 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG_N900, ask frals | 19:22 |
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| ZogG_N900 | frals, i'm asking you =) | 19:23 |
| frals | it doesnt change any files | 19:23 |
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| ccooke | So... what's special about the Joggler? | 19:23 |
| nid0 | its dirt cheap | 19:23 |
| ZogG_N900 | it changed my connection | 19:23 |
| frals | changed your connection how? | 19:24 |
| korhojoa | Shapeshifter: well. that's not so hard | 19:24 |
| korhojoa | the C isn't really that prevalent when pronounced | 19:24 |
| Shapeshifter | korhojoa: that's right | 19:24 |
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| achipa | DocScrutinizer: I used to be a half Linux admin in one of my previous lives, so not a *complete* tcpdump newbie :) | 19:24 |
| Shapeshifter | korhojoa: well, the Ch sounds like when you clear your throat | 19:24 |
| ZogG_N900 | frals, it worked out of box and after i got fmms 0.7 and than upgraded gprs not workimg anymore | 19:25 |
| korhojoa | still not as throaty as in arabic, like khalifa | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: I C. | 19:25 |
| nid0 | achipa, iptraf network monitor in -testing is dead simple to keep an eye on | 19:25 |
| ZogG_N900 | entered the connection manager and checked there all the options are blank | 19:25 |
| nid0 | and it should show you that theres no net activity whatsoever from skype with it set to offline | 19:25 |
| ZogG_N900 | can't restore the default | 19:25 |
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| achipa | nid0: just amusing myself how many things disrespect the settings | 19:26 |
| frals | it shouldnt modify any IAP UNLESS the iapid is z_fMMS-APN - which it isnt unless fMMS creates it in 0.9.x | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: nevertheless I seem to have noticed a missmatch in what you both were talking bout. Skype offline status != N900 offline-mode | 19:26 |
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| korhojoa | PhonicUK: hey, did you move the microb daemon? | 19:26 |
| frals | ZogG_N900: also, if you change settings in internet connections that overrides whatever fMMS does so something else must be messed up for you | 19:26 |
| ZogG_N900 | frals, i did update to 0.9 as i said | 19:26 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: yes. that's what I said originally. I don't want *skype* network traffic | 19:27 |
| PhonicUK | nope | 19:27 |
| PhonicUK | probably not a good idea | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: and I guess esp for skype it's hard to attribute some data packets to it, when you log those in tcpdump | 19:27 |
| frals | "after i got fmms 0.7 " afraid im not a mind reader :p | 19:27 |
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| korhojoa | PhonicUK: okely dokely | 19:27 |
| ZogG_N900 | frals, the point that i changed after it didn.t work ) | 19:27 |
| korhojoa | PhonicUK: well, i'm now at 57.6 free, so that should be ok | 19:27 |
| ZogG_N900 | frals, i mentioned i updated | 19:27 |
| frals | what exactly did you change and where, and what doesnt work? | 19:28 |
| ZogG_N900 | ok | 19:28 |
| PhonicUK | yah thats more than enough | 19:28 |
| achipa | well something is happily throwing udp packets around, and in a pattern reminiscent of skype | 19:28 |
| frals | well, "updated" can mean anything as theres about 30 different versions out | 19:28 |
| PhonicUK | 30MB is usually fine | 19:28 |
| PhonicUK | im on about 25 | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, me away now - anybody needs a german keyboard? (keycaps mat) | 19:28 |
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| dymaxion_ | hi i'm trying to use flasher on Fedora12, but fails to recognise verison of libusb... where can I get the source to recompile ? | 19:29 |
| ZogG_N900 | frals, i specified version ) | 19:29 |
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| ZogG_N900 | anyway i didn't touch anything but got no connections | 19:29 |
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| frals | yes, you said 0.7 twice, which led me to believe you were actually using that | 19:29 |
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| frals | anyway go into fmms config and set connection mode to "Polite" | 19:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | than got to forum and understood that fmms can change apn settings | 19:30 |
| ZogG_N900 | i deleted fmms and didn't get back my previos connection | 19:31 |
| frals | and save and it should appear again | 19:31 |
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| ZogG_N900 | can i do it manually? | 19:31 |
| frals | reinstall it then and change the setting and it will unmask it again, problem solved ;) | 19:31 |
| ZogG_N900 | thank you | 19:32 |
| frals | yes, set the simimsi in /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/<ID OF YOUR CONNECTION>/sim_imsi to your simimsi | 19:32 |
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| frals | gotta make dinner now so afk | 19:32 |
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| ZogG_N900 | thank you man | 19:32 |
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| frals | np | 19:33 |
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| ZogG_N900 | i gotta go too but have few more questions so i'll try to catch you other time | 19:33 |
| ZogG_N900 | also chatting from n900 is nice but desktop is more comfy for me | 19:33 |
| ZogG_N900 | bye | 19:33 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:37 |
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| PhonicUK | <3 debian on N900 :D | 19:38 |
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| PhonicUK | openoffice and frozen-bubble :D | 19:39 |
| PhonicUK | esp once i got the sizes sorted so its not massive | 19:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | frozen-bubble needs better controls | 19:40 |
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| lcuk2 | hiya lardman \o | 19:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders who prodded mshaver into responding. . . . | 19:41 | |
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| lardman | hey lcuk2 | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | So I looked at the code of bluezwitch to find out about how to toggle bluetooth through dbus, and he does: self.obj = self.bus.get_object('org.bluez', self.defaultAdapter); self.adapter = dbus.Interface(self.obj, 'org.bluez.Adapter'); and later self.adapter.SetProperty('Powered',False) or True to disable/enable it. But if I try pretty much exactly this through dbus-send, it fails. What I do: "dbus-send --system --type=method_call ... | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | ... --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.Powered boolean:true" and the error: "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Powered" with signature "b" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist" | 19:43 |
| lardman | lcuk2: I passed by your locale yesterday, on my marathon train journey back from Glasgow | 19:43 |
| lcuk2 | lardman, heh | 19:43 |
| lcuk2 | ash? | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | the hci0 thing I got from tmo, I don't see anything about that in the code | 19:44 |
| lcuk2 | Shapeshifter, mm dunno | 19:44 |
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| lcuk2 | lardman, were you stuck for long if so? | 19:44 |
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| korhojoa | well. fuck smartreflex then | 19:46 |
| korhojoa | first crash ever after enabling it | 19:46 |
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| hrw | PhonicUK: let me guess - by 'Debian on n900' you mean 'Debian in chroot working as window on maemo5 desktop'? | 19:48 |
| PhonicUK | indeed, ive not bothered with properly running it yet | 19:48 |
| PhonicUK | might do if i get a 16GB MicroSD though | 19:48 |
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| lardman | lcuk2: nah not stuck, just had to train it as I didn't think the planes would fly; as it turns out they did - drat! | 19:49 |
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| lardman | aargh | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk2: nevermind I found a way (in python using bluezwitch code) | 19:49 |
| lardman | bloody Kontact just crashed part way through an email | 19:50 |
| korhojoa | : / | 19:50 |
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| Torne | i've just picked up an N900 and I'm looking for some docs on how it boots, how to replace the kernel, etc.. the wiki seems to mostly talk about only the maemo 4 devices for that kind of thing.. | 19:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Torne, it has maemo 5 entries too | 19:55 |
| nid0 | also | 19:56 |
| nid0 | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/kernel-power-flasher/2.6.28-maemo24/ | 19:56 |
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| Torne | MohammadAG: for general stuff, yes, but the pages about booting from flash card and so on all talk about partition layouts that the n900 doesn't have (and jffs, which it doesn't have either) | 19:56 |
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| Torne | google suggests n900 doesn't use initfs any more, which means all the instructions i can find don't apply :) | 19:57 |
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| PhonicUK | i cant find the .deb package for adobe flash player :\ | 20:00 |
| PhonicUK | in maemo.org/packages | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | Torne, flasher replaces the kernel. | 20:00 |
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| GAN900 | PhonicUK, because it's not there | 20:00 |
| PhonicUK | poo | 20:00 |
| PhonicUK | why not? | 20:01 |
| GAN900 | Flash for Maemo is only licensed to device owners. | 20:01 |
| PhonicUK | ah | 20:01 |
| inkbottle | Do i have a dhcp client (dont find /etc/dhcp...)? | 20:01 |
| PhonicUK | i was wondering if the Maemo build would work on other similar hardware | 20:01 |
| PhonicUK | OMAP3/Debian | 20:01 |
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| Torne | GAN900: right, but what about multiple OSes or similar? i want to be able to boot non-linux kernels.. | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | Torne, there should be a wiki article somewhere | 20:02 |
| Torne | GAN900: i agree that there should, but i can't find it if there is ;) | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | PhonicUK, should. | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | Torne, basically, install the multiboot loader and away you go | 20:03 |
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| Torne | GAN900: yah, but i can't find this. also, i would quite like some general docs on how booting works from the beginning (since i am an os developer) | 20:05 |
| GAN900 | Torne, talk to Stskeeps. I don't have any links handy, but he's one of the experts. | 20:05 |
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| inkbottle | ok, found: udhcp | 20:07 |
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| Torne | GAN900: my OS expects the standard ARM-Linux boot protocol where it gets passed a taglist with arguments, ramdisk location, etc.. u-boot provides this but I have no idea how nolo works ;) | 20:07 |
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| frals | VDVsx: wanna meet up sunday/monday? | 20:12 |
| frals | assuming my flight isnt grounded, that is | 20:12 |
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| frals | goes for anyone else around HEL ;-) | 20:17 |
| frals | +as well | 20:17 |
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| korhojoa | wut | 20:20 |
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| korhojoa | when monday | 20:21 |
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| VDVsx | frals, no sure about sunday, depends on saturday night events, but monday should works | 20:24 |
| VDVsx | :D | 20:24 |
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| caotic_ | IS anyone having problems ligin in to skype with the n900 ? | 20:35 |
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| nid0 | nope | 20:36 |
| caotic_ | err: problems login into skype | 20:36 |
| Torne | ....wow, is there really no way to have more than one kernel? NOLO is that dumb? | 20:37 |
| caotic_ | wierd , I cant log in in my n900 only on my desktop | 20:37 |
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| Disconnect | so just ooc who's bright idea was it to take out all the confirmations? :( "off" is next to "change profile" and works instantly. oops, so much for what you were doing. | 20:42 |
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| lxp1 | hi | 20:54 |
| lxp1 | i have tried to upload my kismet package to extras-devel. the build was successful, but it doesn't get imported. | 20:54 |
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| GAN900 | Torne, NOLO meets the requirements Nokia set for it. | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | what are we discussing? | 20:55 |
| lxp1 | there were already a kismet package from another maintainer but it was broken; is that the problem? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | Torne, let's talk - what's up? :P | 20:56 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | apparently there's iPhone fakes on ebay that are just a case + battery + LED | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 20:57 |
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| luke-jr | IMO they should just clean up the advertising and sell them as legit fakes/cases | 20:57 |
| haltdef_ | more useful than actual iphones | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | anti-theft | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | put your real phone in your pocket and use the fake on a belt | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | maybe put a BT headset in the fake | 20:58 |
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| joga | and anthrax | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 20:58 |
| Shapeshifter | and you get a spare battery (if only you were able to change it easily) | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: different kind of battery | 20:58 |
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| Shapeshifter | makes sense ;) | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr | someone I know got it and is using it for his homebrew handheld ;) | 20:59 |
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| trumee | guys is it possible to have multiple X terms | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | of course | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | click the menu | 21:03 |
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| trumee | ah. than | 21:03 |
| trumee | ks | 21:03 |
| trumee | crap always miss the autocompletion | 21:03 |
| trumee | is there a way to change autocomplete word? | 21:03 |
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| trumee | i was hoping pressing arrow keys on autocomplete word would give another word, but it doesnt :( | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: Torne was interested in a comprehensive summary on the bootprocess details from pushbutton to start of loading kernel image. I'm interested as well | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nolo... etc pp | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: omap atags is pretty known | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | well probably it is, to the people who ever heard about it | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a iki page about boot process, with just these 5 words... better than what we have now, no? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yes | 21:32 |
| lcuk | iki pages are important | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh lcuk, is your keyboard also recked? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | no hats up ith yours? | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | th e'wwwwwwww' key acts even more funny than he rest :-P | 21:33 |
| FIQ | [20:33:18] <DocScrutinizer> a iki page about boot process, with just these 5 words... better than what we have now, no? | 21:34 |
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| FIQ | :) | 21:34 |
| lcuk | hat should i post on titter :D | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | titter is aesome | 21:35 |
| * GAN900 hits lcuk. | 21:35 | |
| Stskeeps | titter.com ? | 21:35 |
| lcuk | :D | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeek | 21:36 |
| Treibholz | hello orld! | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wames and wossip for wirls | 21:36 |
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| lcuk | lol Treibholz | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wiki atags | 21:37 |
| infobot | I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=atags&go=Go | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will fail, but... | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~google atags | 21:39 |
| * SpeedEvil ins interested as well ( in bootprocess). | 21:39 | |
| Stskeeps | http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/source/arch/arm/kernel/atags.c is how things are passed from nolo to kernel | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | fairly standard way | 21:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I offer one shiny onion as a prize to whomesoever completes this task (to collect). | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that's for the "source==specs==docs" church of insanity. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | googling omap + atags gave me http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Core_Domain plus a few >>The omap specific ATAGs will be going away soon, so please rely only on the configuration in your board-*.c file<< higher on the hit rank | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, they are | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | transferring to cmdline | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: collect what? | 21:47 |
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| opdf2 | man how do u avoid the "mobile" yfrog page from n900? | 21:50 |
| opdf2 | it keeps redirecting me | 21:50 |
| opdf2 | http://yfrog.com | 21:50 |
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| Kamui | dockane, | 21:51 |
| Kamui | DocScrutinizer, | 21:51 |
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| Kamui | when did I spread rumors about OC riskyness | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2 days ago? | 21:52 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | opdf2: you could change your browser id | 21:53 |
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| opdf2 | can i just change it for that one site? | 21:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | not that I know of. | 21:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | wouldn't do any harm unless you like mobile sites. | 21:55 |
| nid0 | hiding your user agent will break ovi store viewed from the device, tho | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kamui: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-04-21.log.html#t2010-04-21T21:58:37 | 21:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nid0: i dont think i ever visit ovi, anything worth seeing? | 21:58 |
| nid0 | no | 21:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 21:58 |
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| nid0 | there's always hope that may change if nokia decide to put more than one drunk broken-handed coder's worth of time into coding it | 21:59 |
| lirakis | any news on a 1.2 OTA | 22:00 |
| petteri | no | 22:00 |
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| lirakis | weak sauce | 22:01 |
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| * DocScrutinizer throws tabasco extra hot at lirakis | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | right, n8x0 with 2.6.33, first step.. | 22:02 |
| Kamui | DocScrutinizer, Im a little confused | 22:02 |
| Kamui | what did I do wrong | 22:03 |
| lirakis | meh ... tabasco is weak sauce.... got to go to thailand for the real deal | 22:03 |
| Kamui | hsould I not have talked about the OC at all? | 22:03 |
| Kamui | I don't remember saying that it was good or bad, jsut that my experience has been good so far | 22:03 |
| C-S-B-N900 | been to thailand, whats the not weak sauce? | 22:03 |
| Kamui | oh, the 1.1ghz comment? | 22:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kamui: just I'm alergic to any statement about OC being 'good so far' | 22:04 |
| lirakis | C-S-B-N900, pekanu <- sp peppers | 22:04 |
| lirakis | and sambal ... | 22:04 |
| lirakis | mmmmm | 22:04 |
| lirakis | sambal olek | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kamui: as usually next thing to happen is another fool to jump the train and claiming for him OC is safe as he lives in greenland or sibiria | 22:06 |
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| GAN900 | Kamui, OC failures occur in the weeks-to-months timeframe | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | then a crop of 20 fools rushes over all the temperature sensors on the N900 and packaging the 57th 'safe OC kernel - now with temperature watchdog' | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | Kamui, so "good so far" is completely meaningless and lulls people onto a false sense of "this wont kill my device". | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: thanks for helping me out, mate | 22:09 |
| GAN900 | Sure thing. ;) | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: not quite. | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: If there was a statistically valid sample of n900s locked to a gig for a couple of months, that would be a useful datapoint | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Say 20 phones | 22:09 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, TI has done the testing, no? | 22:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: probably - but you may not be able to get them to release those results. | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, think there's a PDF. . . . | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | Either way, everything I've heard says it's likely to cause early failure | 22:11 |
| C-S-B-N900 | so what kernel should i instal for oc? | 22:11 |
| C-S-B-N900 | :) | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | m/ | 22:12 |
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| Kamui | GAN900, and DocScrutinizer, My fault there, I get your point. I understand not everyone is going to be as easily able to replace their device in case of catastrophic failure | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: there is a pdf - but it only goes up to the specified clock max, and is undefined for what happens in reality if you clock the chip in the device up to 1G | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B-N900, the one called kernel | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: funny, HAHAHA | 22:13 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 22:13 | |
| * MohammadAG_ wonders what that was for | 22:13 | |
| MohammadAG_ | could be kickban for the regexes :P | 22:13 |
| Treibholz | or for the HAHAHAHAHA | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: I'm still dangling on a regex able to get the semantic details | 22:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | how is the battery once you overclock? | 22:14 |
| Treibholz | why do you all want to overclock... | 22:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and can you run a governer? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, just ban *overclock* | 22:15 |
| * Treibholz just doesn't understand the kids. | 22:15 | |
| Treibholz | maybe I'm too old. | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then I'll frequently ban myself, on ranting | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | Treibholz, don't insult me! :P | 22:15 |
| pupnik | i oc'd lots of cpus in my day | 22:15 |
| * MohammadAG_ went back to stock a week or two ago | 22:16 | |
| MohammadAG_ | prolly two | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | listened to DocScrutinizer | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | you are the first lol | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | docs is now having a party ;) | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | lmao | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, who's insulted? I don't get it as well, and though everybody knows I'm a grumpy old man, I don't like to get pointed at the fact ;-P | 22:16 |
| lcukn900 | docs how young? | 22:17 |
| * MohammadAG_ guesses in the 30s | 22:17 | |
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| lcukn900 | btw how tight do ppl hold n900 around water? | 22:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | very | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | I almost broke it :P | 22:17 |
| lcukn900 | yes i need a lanyard strap | 22:18 |
| ShadowJK | are you crazy, I don't let it near water | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | nah, it should be safe | 22:18 |
| C-S-B-N900 | till my knuckles are white | 22:18 |
| lcukn900 | 810 had big metal handle | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | I mean, what would water do that rice wouldn't fix | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 22:18 |
| lcukn900 | my 900 is being held tighter than anything | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I got insulted, he said he hated kids, and kids usually means teens these days :P | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | guys, the hing is basically *open* - like in 'no lid sealing the electronics' | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | it leaks light here, so I got that part :P | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | never get it next to water, not even heavy rain | 22:19 |
| toggles_w | lol, i washed mine | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | the PS3 game? | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | it rained in amsterdam | 22:20 |
| GAN900 | lcukn900, two ziplock bags for boating/kayaking. | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | i need to check if maps works now | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcukn900, just hold it from the kickstand :P | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | someone mentioned condoms for n810 once | 22:20 |
| lcukn900 | moh cant on 900 | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: you RMAd your broken vib? | 22:20 |
| * C-S-B-N900 fears for the n900s of the world. | 22:21 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, RMAd? | 22:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | returned ... | 22:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i think | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: stupid bussines taljk for repair sendin | 22:21 |
| lcukn900 | csb it was worse i think there were other smart devices in the bag with randy 810 | 22:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, nope, just sent a dbus command to make it vibrate overnight and it fixed itself | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 22:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | mo, how did your vib break? | 22:22 |
| lcukn900 | overuse lol | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | debris from fab I suppose | 22:23 |
| * MohammadAG_ slaps lcukn900 with a large trout | 22:23 | |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_ milled it to dust XP | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B-N900, it broke on day 2 | 22:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what happened? | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, lol yeah | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B-N900, it just stopped working (made a weird sound instead of a vibration) | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | like something was stuck in it | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | which you bet was | 22:24 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ouch, well you dislodged whatever was stuck | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | then it worked for a day after I ran for a bit | 22:24 |
| * frals slaps lcuk with bacon... mmm... bacon! | 22:24 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | be it a component or bacon | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG_ | so I thought it might help if I made it vibrate | 22:24 |
| lcukn900 | haha frals | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmmh dinner | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's the meaning of [2010-04-22 21:16:04] * MohammadAG_ went back to stock a week or two ago | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | 600MHz :) | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah kernel | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you know the cars with elecronic engine management, when they were all new? You had a jumper to tweak the engine to high-grade fuel. And the car got 5% faster when setting that jumper, no matter whether you actually got high-grade or normal fuel. | 22:31 |
| gevaerts | But could you undervolt the car? | 22:31 |
| opdf2 | i was tryin to find a way to quickly post pictures and return URL to me. No plugin exists sooo... I just created a twitter and followed that account. so the link to a yfrog image gets texted to me | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | gevaerts: what is 'undervolting'? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | lower voltage I assume | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | for the N810 users in here: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/meegoonn810.jpg | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | the "XLV" kernels | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | gevaerts: you got any idea what it does and why it should have any positive effect? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | short acronyms make them sound cool | 22:32 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: nice :) | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | 2.6.33 kernel | 22:32 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: I really need to buy a new micro or minisd :) | 22:32 |
| gevaerts | DocScrutinizer: it will lower power usage with only the slight inconvenience of possibly making the thing crash all the time | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | gavin: so what? | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, if overclocking (or even locking at 600) causes electromigration, wouldn't "undervoltage-ing" cause it too? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | undervolting won't *cause* electromigration, but it most likely won't stop it either | 22:34 |
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| RST38h | afaik, lower voltage means less electromigration | 22:36 |
| RST38h | but then I may be wrong | 22:36 |
| johnsq | Hi | 22:36 |
| gavin | DocScrutinizer: ? | 22:36 |
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| gavin | oh, autocomplete mistake | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, basically in OMAP with SmartReflex every lil function block has its own regulator controlled in a way to ensure lowest power consumption at a given clockrate. Now with undervoltage you simply lower the voltage drop across these mini-regulators, but they will continue to power up the function blocks the are responsible for as soon as the see they need to for ahigher clockfreq | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | gavin: sorry | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ^^^ | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so current (which is causing electromigration, together with the 'wire diameter') may still be higer on critical pathes at higher clock, even when you massively undervolt *the internal regulators* | 22:41 |
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| Stskeeps | errm. | 22:41 |
| * MohammadAG_ wants a bigger /home partition | 22:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ergo-> it's clock freq that matters. NOT voltage, and NOT temperature | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I meant undervolting on 600MHz <DocScrutinizer> undervolting won't *cause* electromigration, but it most likely won't stop it either | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm looking at my n810 serial output.. | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | Core: 658 MHz L3: 109 MHz L4: 109 MHz | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | MPU: 329 MHz DSP: 219 MHz IVA: 109 MHz | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | 658? | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | It would cause instability, I know (and I'm not really planning on doing it) | 22:43 |
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| summel | somebody from germany with an n900 here? | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: see above. It might marginally save bat capacity, but at he expense of driving the internal regulators into a non-stable operation range | 22:45 |
| dmj726_n900 | and the regulators wouldn't deliver lower voltage to the compoments even if undervolted themselves? | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: exactly | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | which might use the saved battery capacity and result in no change :) | 22:45 |
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| Corsac | Stskeeps: now yum install xfce4 ! | 22:46 |
| * dmj726_n900 is not familiar with the exact operation of the regulators | 22:46 | |
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| Stskeeps | Corsac: if it was built for arm, i would | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: that's my understanding of how smartreflex gear fits together at least | 22:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | perhaps they behave like op amps and can be driven out of their linear range? | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: all the above from a few sales papers about how great smartreflex is. And adding to that the fact TI is NOT quoting temperature for component wear. AIUI it's a simple freq vs. endurance 2D-table. Which makes perfect sense with the other bits about smartreflex | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nor is there any factor about core voltage afaik | 22:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | what does their curve say for all the people running at 900 mhz? | 22:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | perhaps they assumed a given voltage? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just "@500MHz you need at least foo.bar Volt for the OMAP to be stable" | 22:51 |
| dmj726_n900 | though that would seem odd in technical documentation. | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: why should they do that?? | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 22:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Documentation almost never mentions performance outside recommended limits | 22:53 |
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| * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 22:54 | |
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| * Noobmonk3y eats frals....... | 22:54 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmmm tastes fishy..... | 22:55 |
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| Torne | Stskeeps: sorry, i had to go home :) | 22:55 |
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| Torne | Stskeeps: I guess I shall have to poke at the boot process myself then | 22:55 |
| Torne | Stskeeps: or find out who wrote NOLO and ask them. i happen to, er, work for nokia. though not on maemo. ;) | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but if there were some influence of voltage *inside* recommended operation conditions, don't you think TI for sure whould have published it? | 22:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: in an ideal world, that would be nice, yes. | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: talking to the people behind nolo helps, yes | 22:57 |
| * MohammadAG_ slaps Noobmonk3y | 22:57 | |
| Torne | Stskeeps: the alternative is to disassemble it, which is also a thing in my power ;) | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I suspect what we are seeing is a limited number of tests and charachterisateions were done, and we're seeing the worst case extrapolation of those. | 22:57 |
| Torne | it might be easier than findign who in nokia to talk to ;)) | 22:57 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: n900 or n8x0? | 22:57 |
| Torne | n900 | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hence - the wierd 'if it ever goes to 600MHz - the life is 20000 hours - even if it's for 1ms - type statement in the ds | 22:58 |
| Torne | i just got a free one so i thought i should abuse it horribly | 22:58 |
| Torne | but the bootloader being dumb is disapppointing | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Dissasembly pics are available. | 22:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | From someone that sacrifieced their n900 to get them. (oops) | 22:59 |
| Torne | Stskeeps: do you know what happens if you just delete the bootlaodr, btw? | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: got to get a flashing jig and do a cold flash, -we think- | 22:59 |
| Torne | OMAP3 normally resorts to booting from usb/serial/mmc if there's no xloader on NAND | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | can Daemons be made in Python? | 22:59 |
| Torne | from other omap3 devices i have | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | or do they have to be C/C++ | 22:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Torne: IIRC there is an exposed serial port on the battery underneath conectors. | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: those tests are extrapolations usually, yes. But not from a few samples to worst case, rather they are based on physical laws aplied to a large number of samples to get quick results on not-really-recommended operation conditions | 23:00 |
| Torne | SpeedEvil: yeah, i saw that | 23:00 |
| Torne | SpeedEvil: omap3 bootrom has usb serial support though | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: s/tests/simulations/ | 23:00 |
| Torne | SpeedEvil: and in fact, mmc support | 23:00 |
| Torne | though whether it will be looking on the uSD slot or the eMMC device i don't know | 23:00 |
| Torne | it's possible nokia have changed the boot order to something more restricted, of course | 23:01 |
| dmj726_n900 | n900s were made for abusing. (*definitions of abuse vary and do not necessarily void warranty) | 23:01 |
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| Torne | i assume nobody has experimented too much with intentionally erasing the bootloader ;) | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I can see no physical explanation of why 1ms of 600MHz would drop tens of thousands hours life | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Torne: I guess not | 23:01 |
| lcuk | does the bootloader not get replaced by flashing? | 23:01 |
| Torne | lcuk: it can do | 23:01 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: a daemon can be written in any language ;) | 23:02 |
| Torne | i should dump it and see if it is indeed a modified version of xloader | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | In many cases, you would not normally want to flash the bootloader. | 23:02 |
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| Torne | SpeedEvil: well, nolo updates are included in some of the flash images | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, thanks! | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Torne: What do you normally do in nokia? I'm guessing firmware/ee? | 23:02 |
| Torne | SpeedEvil: i'm a symbian kernel developer | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: my condolences | 23:02 |
| * Noobmonk3y slaps MohammadAG_ with lcuk | 23:02 | |
| Torne | Stskeeps: the symbian kernel is lovely | 23:03 |
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| Torne | i cannot be held responsible for the rest of S60 :) | 23:03 |
| * lcuk strongly objcets to being used as a trout | 23:03 | |
| lcuk | objects too | 23:03 |
| * MohammadAG_ gives lcuk some bacon | 23:03 | |
| dmj726_n900 | what is symbian really like at its core compared to...other things? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | good stuff too ! its thick cut | 23:04 |
| lcuk | well you have the tardis | 23:04 |
| Torne | dmj726_n900: the same but different. like any OS really :) | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and you have a star trek warp core | 23:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:04 |
| Torne | dmj726_n900: symbian's kernel is hard realtime though,s o it can support a gsm stack | 23:04 |
| lcuk | both do the same job but one needs to fly around a star to time travel | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | right, this is going to sound like an awesomely stupid question from me. i have a n810 i need to disable omap-wd and retu-wd on, and well, old flasher-3.0 exhibits the "Device or resource busy" problem and new flasher does not support no-omap-wd/no-retu-wd flags | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least retu one | 23:04 |
| lcuk | reboot | 23:04 |
| lcuk | laptop | 23:05 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I need original citation to comment on this | 23:05 |
| dmj726_n900 | silly me is running a gsm stack on a soft rt kernel. | 23:05 |
| Torne | you are? | 23:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | I believe maemo is soft rt | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | um | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | there's a seperate module for the stack, afaik | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | N900 has a modem running gsm :P | 23:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | since mainline linux doesn't do hard rt | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | yeah.. the entire flip side of the circuit board.. | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Torne: you should read the manpage, err README of flasher-3.5 (or whatever the version number) | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Torne: I seem to remeber there've been options to reflash NOLO etc | 23:08 |
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| dmj726_n900 | ah, so symbian does the gsm fully in software, while maemo has to interface with a hardwar unit. | 23:08 |
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| dmj726_n900 | are there symbian devices that do it the way the n900 does? | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | dmj726_n900, the ones that claim "Dual CPU", I think | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: basically yes. Symbian phones usually have no application processor | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | I think you mean s40 there | 23:09 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Actually, they all do have application processors | 23:09 |
| RST38h | You may mean S40 | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: hmm, not sure what's your side / pont in this dissense | 23:10 |
| * RST38h has no sides/ponts in this "dissense". Just stating the fact. | 23:11 | |
| dmj726_n900 | although a linux phone could use the rt patches for the kernel. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the frequency/life table - it diddn't give a '600MHz ages the chip at rate X, 550MHz at rate Y' - but a life if 550MHz or 600MHz were ever used, and if they were not. | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry mate, I find it incredibly hard to start a fruitful discusion with you | 23:11 |
| RST38h | Hmmm | 23:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Nokia even lists the CPU used :-) | 23:12 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Has there been any substance abuse while I was away? | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, dunno | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | And only recent symbian is able to share CPU with gsm :P | 23:13 |
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| * dmj726_n900 has only ever messed with the source for 2 kernels, linux and the basic one I wrote. | 23:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but it's usually called baseband processor, at least in smartphones. So you could say featurephones use the baseband processor dual usage for apps | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | talk.maemo.org's new slogan: there's a thread for that | 23:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | Perhaps they meant no separate application processor? | 23:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | many in the case of the "n900 sucks" threads. :/ | 23:14 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why earlier desktop processors were not affected by electromigration that much? | 23:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: much 'thicker wires' | 23:15 |
| dmj726_n900 | what's the point of using the general cpu when a dedicated unit can be used...cutting the manufacturing cost? | 23:15 |
| ShadowJK | dmj726_n900, exactly | 23:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | 4 atoms thick vs 400 makes a difference. | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | We'd probably not want linux to run the gsm part, think of all the gigantic blobs ;-) | 23:16 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, did that work? | 23:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | yeah...unless we had open source gsm stack and drivers! | 23:17 |
| dmj726_n900 | which carriers would freak out over. | 23:17 |
| dmj726_n900 | not that gsm is exactly secure these days. | 23:18 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes | 23:18 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 23:18 |
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| Disconnect | dmj726_n900: http://gnuradio.org/redmine/wiki/1/OpenBTSFAQ#Do-you-realize-that-the-GPLv3-patent-license-requirements-prevent-GPLv3-distributions-from-being-used-in-most-commercial-GSM-applications | 23:18 |
| Torne | actually no phones run gsm under symbian yet ;) | 23:18 |
| dmj726_n900 | well, from my understanding it's harder to crack than wep. | 23:18 |
| Torne | it's possible, but nobody is doing it | 23:18 |
| Torne | nokia devices run symbian as a task under NOS, their proprietary RTOS | 23:19 |
| Torne | so, still a single processor, but two opreating systems | 23:19 |
| Torne | other manufacturers do various weird combinatinos, either two processors or simlar hackery | 23:19 |
| dmj726_n900 | rtos? nos? | 23:19 |
| Disconnect | dmj726_n900: random guess. NOS might be nokia os. and rtos is 'real-time os' | 23:20 |
| dmj726_n900 | that would have been my guess | 23:20 |
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| * gevaerts suspects that Symbian won't be RT anymore in that setup :) | 23:20 | |
| ShadowJK | not like it matters when nothing rt is running in symbian :P | 23:21 |
| dmj726_n900 | hmm...I always thought symbian would be the primary...so they're doing something like a chroot? | 23:21 |
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| ShadowJK | more like xen? | 23:21 |
| Torne | NOS basically runs entirely in interrupt context | 23:22 |
| Torne | symbian gets its interrupts handed to it by NOS | 23:22 |
| Torne | so yes, kindaa like a *really* dumb hypervisor :) | 23:22 |
| Torne | except they both have teh same permissions really and can stomp on each other. hooray. | 23:23 |
| Torne | anyway. | 23:23 |
| Torne | i'll dump the bootloader off my n900 later and have a look and see how much it resembles xloader | 23:23 |
| Torne | something can probably be done. maybe load a modified u-bootin place of the linux kernel. | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, it loads zimages :P | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | which it does pretty well, so none of us have toyed with it | 23:24 |
| Torne | a zimage isn't really *anything*, though | 23:24 |
| Torne | it's just an arbitrary binary blob | 23:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...that sounds awkward | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | you know, alot of people would be interested in replacing the bootloader on symbian devices ;) | 23:24 |
| Torne | you pass machien type in r1, atag poitner in r2, and that's it | 23:24 |
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| Torne | ShadowJK: symbian devices ha ve secure flashing procedures | 23:24 |
| Torne | ShadowJK: specifically to stop you doing this kind of shit | 23:24 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: sure's there's no signing check on a n900 on the bootloader though? | 23:25 |
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| Torne | Stskeeps: it's just a mtd partition, no? | 23:25 |
| Torne | unless you can't unlock it., which is possible | 23:25 |
| Torne | i've not triwed yet | 23:25 |
| Torne | i only got my n900 6 hours ago | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | have fun i guess :) | 23:25 |
| Torne | i don't want to really ;) | 23:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: ping | 23:26 |
| Torne | trying to replace the bootlaoder without finding out how to recover would be silly ;) | 23:26 |
| Torne | i *suspect* you can use the omap3 bootrom's recovery methods. Maybe, :) but it would be a pain to find out taht's not the case. | 23:26 |
| Torne | foodtime, anyway ;) | 23:27 |
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| dmj726_n900 | too bad I can't boot x86 live usbs *on* the n900. | 23:27 |
| ShadowJK | get a club so you can chase down someone with Phoenix and the appropriate rig, club them and steal their rig | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | qemu-system-x86 | 23:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:27 |
| joga | qemu runs on n900? | 23:27 |
| dmj726_n900 | my microsd is a liveusb | 23:28 |
| dmj726_n900 | quite speedy too. | 23:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer thinks >80h are enough to justify a lttle nap finally | 23:29 | |
| SpeedEvil | joga: In principle it would. | 23:31 |
| Macer | wow. didn't even notice there is a stand on the camera :) | 23:31 |
| Macer | that's good to know heh | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | joga: The speed is likely to be of the order of a 386/40 or so I suspect. | 23:32 |
| joga | SpeedEvil: as long as it works ; | 23:32 |
| joga | ;) | 23:32 |
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| dmj726_n900 | macer: didn't notice the stand? | 23:40 |
| Macer | no | 23:41 |
| Macer | not til now haha | 23:41 |
| Macer | awesome | 23:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | how long have you had it? | 23:41 |
| Macer | p6 chip! | 23:41 |
| Macer | triple the speed of the pentium!! | 23:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | n900 has a way of hiding features. | 23:42 |
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| dmj726_n900 | who wants to try vista in qemu on their N900? | 23:44 |
| cehteh | barf | 23:44 |
| gevaerts | what's the point? | 23:44 |
| dmj726_n900 | 6 hour boot up time I would guess. | 23:45 |
| lardman | on a pc? ;) | 23:45 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...software rendering for directx 10 titles in a vm on an arm machine! | 23:45 |
| AdmiralSausage | I guess the advantage of running it on the n900 would be that at least you'd have 6 extra hours when you weren't running vista | 23:46 |
| lardman | lol | 23:46 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I will give vista credit for having a better security model than versions like windows me. | 23:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | "click cancel to login" | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | i.e., pester the user whenever possible | 23:47 |
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| dmj726_n900 | It's like they implemented gksudo badly. | 23:49 |
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| * Torne wonders what the log partition on the flash is for | 23:50 | |
| lardman | firewood | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Torne: CAL, maybe? | 23:50 |
| * lardman regrets doing crosswords on the train | 23:51 | |
| Torne | Stskeeps: what? | 23:51 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: well, there's an area containing various configuration settings in the flash | 23:52 |
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| Torne | Stskeeps: yeah, i saw that, mtd1. mtd2 is called "log" and contains nothing, though ) | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | lardman, miss your stop? | 23:53 |
| GAN900 | lardman, mugged and N900-less now? | 23:53 |
| lardman | GAN900: nah, some volcano screwed up my flight to Scotland | 23:53 |
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| lardman | pah, nothing could part me from my N900.... | 23:53 |
| * SpeedEvil waves some bacon. | 23:54 | |
| lardman | hmmmm | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | mmmmm | 23:54 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: how much bacon for an n900? | 23:54 |
| Corsac | BLT \o/ | 23:54 |
| lardman | ;) | 23:54 |
| Torne | Stskeeps: there's a load of references to CAL and certificates in the bootloader image, b ut i have no idea waht that is | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | Torne: i guess log would be something for kernel crashes | 23:55 |
| Torne | there are some hilarious strings int he bootloader in fact | 23:55 |
| Torne | "Waiting for the kernel to magically appear" | 23:55 |
| Torne | "Yup, there it is. Stand by for some Linux pleasure. | 23:55 |
| Torne | and lots of references to serial console | 23:56 |
| lardman | :) | 23:56 |
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| gevaerts | /dev/mtd2 seems to have an oops here | 23:57 |
| gevaerts | so yes, it's for kernel crashes | 23:57 |
| Torne | ah | 23:57 |
| Torne | that's boring then | 23:57 |
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| gevaerts | depends on what you're doing :) | 23:58 |
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