IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-04-14

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calamarihi00:07
calamariI am curious if any parts of the maemo 5 GUI are closed source00:07
jacekowskidepends how much you pay00:09
jacekowskiif you can afford to buy nokia then everything is open00:09
calamarilol00:09
calamariso I take that as a yes00:10
jacekowskisome are00:10
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jacekowskimostly apps00:10
jacekowskilike modes00:10
jacekowskimodest* or camera app00:10
jacekowskimedia player as well00:10
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calamariI ask because someone was complaining you could only have one ringtone for all your contacts.. and I was thinking, well if it's open source that should be easy to fix00:11
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jacekowskiwho was using that distcc in scratchbox?00:12
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PhonicUKanyone know of an IR jammer app?00:14
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PhonicUKor know what the dev node is for the ir device?00:14
wall[e]need a better mail client00:14
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wall[e]modest mess up with thai language and gmail00:15
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wall[e]wonder why modest doesn't have source? the app is too primitive.00:16
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: this argument applies to a lot of the closedsource Nokia stuff00:17
pupnikwall[e]: you in thailand?00:18
wall[e]er, modest is in bsd  as i am looking at it from modest.garage.maemo.org00:18
wall[e]pupnik, yes, don't ask about politics00:18
wall[e]we still have beaches and islands, welcome!00:18
PhonicUKanyone know the device node for the n900 ir port?00:19
* pupnik wants to visit00:19
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wall[e]:)00:20
wall[e]ok, no more excuse to fix this thing.00:20
wall[e]not to*00:20
DocScrutinizerPhonicUK: find /dev -name '*cir*'00:21
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DocScrutinizermaybe also /sys00:21
DocScrutinizeriirc00:21
PhonicUKok ty00:21
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PhonicUKno results00:22
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DocScrutinizerhmm, thought I seen it yesterday00:23
pupnikwall[e]: see if you can get freepop to build for 900.  maybe some other people can join in00:23
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DocScrutinizer/dev is reasonably small00:24
PhonicUKi tried *ir*, still couldn't find it00:24
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DocScrutinizersorry no device here atm to check00:25
PhonicUKok00:25
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DocScrutinizerif you like, then pastebin a ls -l of /dev00:25
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wall[e]pupnik, I'll try. I am also interested in the isometric area creator engine, so can be used with simcity 2000 and populous etc.00:25
noobmonk3yhmmm if i need to extend a python command over one line, is there a command character to add to allow it? like a _ ?00:26
wall[e]looking at freepop graphics they didn't have the city image and that disappointed me a bit00:26
PhonicUKkk 1 tick00:26
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wall[e]wonder if 1ghz overclocking will allow me to play restaurant city.00:27
wall[e]pupnik, i'll try porting it, at least i'll rewrite a useful engine, definitely..00:28
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phellarv22:59 < jacekowski> i think i found the problem with all caps in chromium                                                                                          aSIMULAt~00:28
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SpeedEvilBe careful.00:28
phellarvWhat was the problem?00:28
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SpeedEvilCoding your application better might actually void your warranty.00:28
wall[e]but better fix modest00:29
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: overclocking will eat your CPU. Not suddently but continuously00:29
wall[e]DocScrutinizer, thanks00:30
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Twoeyhiya does anyone here know how to delete stations from the FM radio app on the N900?00:31
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: even 600MHz isn't considered safe for prolonged use. And anything faster than that reduces your device lifetime from decades to years to moonths to days00:32
Twoeyor am I in the wrong place?00:32
PhonicUKgah it wont paste properly00:32
PhonicUKwhats that app that you redirect output to and it pastebins for you?00:32
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wall[e]DocScrutinizer, well, may be it will last long enough so I may trade it away for newer device00:32
wall[e]flash back to older kernel so they dont know it.00:33
wall[e]old*00:33
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wall[e]j/k well i don't know00:33
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: you probably will get visit from Olaf and his friends ;-P00:34
wall[e]until I heard someone really have trouble with the cpu i'll consider that it really is dangerous00:34
wall[e]hehe00:34
iPeter-Hi. Whats wrong when i try put data to my N900. It has 25gb free space and i have copied 12gb data what to move on N900 then it says "Device is full, try deleting files" or something like that00:35
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DocScrutinizeriPeter-: df -h00:36
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wall[e]so many files?00:36
wall[e]or a single 12gb data?00:36
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: btw we'll always find ways to tell you overclocked the device. Restoring original kernel won't help00:38
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GAN900Whew, too much flying.00:40
wall[e]DocScrutinizer, really, how?00:40
Twoeyanyone using the FM radio?00:40
DocScrutinizerwall[e]: the point is you'll never know how00:40
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:41
TwoeyI put radio 2 in 3 times *sob* and I've no idea how to remove them *grieve* I've looked flr a config file but can't find it *wail*00:42
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iPeter-wall[e]: Many files, but some files can be large00:42
Twoeynite!00:42
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wall[e]I don't know, try to tar them into a single file?00:43
wall[e]what df says?00:43
wall[e]in terminal00:43
DocScrutinizerwall[e]: do you think he'll tell you, after he ignored me?00:44
wall[e]or you copy into /home/user and not /home/user/MyDocs?00:44
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lardmanevening00:44
wall[e]DocScrutinizer, yeh, so i add in the terminal part00:45
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wall[e]or he didn't watch the screen often00:45
DocScrutinizeror we can flood this chan with useless speculations00:45
wall[e]:)00:45
iPeter-O_o00:46
wall[e]should I set passwd for user?00:46
javispedroflood it, flood it!00:46
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lardman|home~lart TalkTalk00:48
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DocScrutinizerwall[e]: well if you want to ssh to user, then probably yes00:48
wall[e]DocScrutinizer, I always ssh as root lol00:48
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wall[e]DocScrutinizer, already have password for root00:49
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wall[e]jsut wonder if setting passwd for user won't break anything00:49
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pupniklady gaga should make a song about "lardman"00:50
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Twoeynite!00:50
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lardmanpupnik: oi! ;)00:50
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javispedrorandom hint: if you use maemo-optify-deb, ensure you also use fakeroot.00:54
pupnikty00:56
jacekowskibtw. that flasher thingy00:56
jacekowskiif i fuc*** up my /00:56
DocScrutinizerhmm?00:56
jacekowskiis it possible to don't flash MyDocuments?00:57
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jacekowskior does it flash whole thing?00:57
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: / and MyDocs are completely different things00:57
jacekowskii've never tried flasher before so i want to know does it flash everything or just /00:57
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DocScrutinizerMyDocs is on eMMC and gets flashed by *EMMC*.bin img00:58
DocScrutinizerrootfs is flashing everything except /home00:58
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jacekowskiand opt?00:59
DocScrutinizernah00:59
DocScrutinizer/home/opt00:59
jacekowskiyou mean nah as it's flashing opt or nah as not flashing?00:59
FIQglxgears for N900 anyone?00:59
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jacekowskiFIQ: nah00:59
DocScrutinizerIt's flashing everything except home00:59
FIQmeh00:59
Jef91Anyone here use Sygic maps on the n900 and know how I can start it from the CLI?00:59
DocScrutinizerOpt isn't /opet00:59
DocScrutinizerit's /home/opt01:00
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Jef91It keeps crashing on me and I want to see what the error message is :(01:00
jacekowskii know that01:00
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FIQcould i test it another way?01:00
jacekowskiJef91: i'm using sygic01:00
Jef91I just bought and installed it and the darn thing crashes everytime I try to load it01:01
jacekowskiload maps01:01
jacekowskiyour maps have to be in MyDocs before you run it01:01
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jacekowskiand installation software for sygic tells about it01:02
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: anyway optified pkgs have links from /* to /home/opt and those links will vanish. So probably your /home/opt is rendered useless01:02
jacekowskiso, have you bought it in torrent shop?01:02
Jef91jacekowski Thanks - I don't have a windows computer so I had to use the .zip thanks for the info01:02
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jacekowskiso folder Maps that came with your torrent has to go to /home/user/MyDocs/Maps01:03
lardmannight all01:03
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jacekowskiand for keygen you have to use .mlm file that came with your map01:03
Jef91jacekowski I actually bought it thanks01:03
jacekowskinot the one that's in same folder01:03
DocScrutinizern8 Laiska01:03
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DocScrutinizersorry01:04
PhonicUKnn everyone01:04
jacekowskii would really like to see tomtom on maemo01:05
jacekowskiesspecialy that tomtom is running linux01:05
jacekowskiso it wouldn't be too hard to port it to maemo01:05
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DocScrutinizerPhonicUK: you found cir?01:06
Arkenoiis sygic worth buying it?01:06
jacekowskino01:06
PhonicUKi found out today that the tv here runs linux :|01:06
FIQhah01:06
PhonicUKDocScrutinizer, nope.01:06
jacekowskii wouldn't be suprised if lot of devices run linux01:06
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jacekowskias it's simpler to use working OS and write minimal amount of code01:06
DocScrutinizerPhonicUK: I just thought maybe LIRC is installing that device01:06
jacekowskiand add little bit more expensive hardware01:06
PhonicUKcouldn't find a way to pastebin from cli01:07
PhonicUKi c01:07
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javispedroare you looking for the cir /dev node?01:08
javispedromodprobe lirc_rx5101:08
DocScrutinizerinstall patebinit01:08
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hooray :-D01:09
javispedrothen /dev/lirc iirc01:09
iPeter-how can "checking for updates" take so long?01:09
javispedroDocScrutinizer: I'm sick of it, with it being tx only and so on :(01:09
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: no way to cue that01:09
javispedroyeah :(01:10
DocScrutinizerthere's no good RX01:10
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DocScrutinizeriPeter-: repos are slooooooooooooow sometimes01:10
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iPeter-Ic01:11
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DocScrutinizerPhonicUK: you noticed that, do you?01:11
iPeter-Update for Chromium (:01:11
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fralsah, 666 thanks on tmo!01:13
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DocScrutinizerfrals: we know where you're coming from :-P01:13
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frals:D01:14
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crsHi there. on talk.maemo.org I have found once a tip how to make terminal start in fullscreen mode by default. Cant find it now. Can somebody help me please? :)01:14
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I could walk you thru the steps to get a ultrasimple IR-RX plug working on N90001:15
javispedrovia mic/headphones plug even01:15
DocScrutinizeryes01:15
PhonicUKdd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/lirc0 bs=1k01:15
PhonicUKir jammer!01:15
javispedroi have a much better one: sunlight01:16
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DocScrutinizerwell, booztime01:17
javispedrohehe01:17
iPeter-What is best mediaplayer for Maemo 5?01:17
javispedrothe buiiiltin one01:17
DocScrutinizerthere's just BS and crap01:17
iPeter-it sucks01:17
DocScrutinizeryour choice01:18
javispedroexactly01:18
PhonicUKwhy does it suck?01:18
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PhonicUKseems adequate to me01:18
iPeter-Was jacekowski that guy who built chromium for n90001:18
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DocScrutinizer(pink floyd) "got 95 mediaplayers like BS to chose from"01:18
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wall[e]i use mplayer from console01:20
pupniklol01:20
MyrttiI'd use butterflys01:20
PhonicUKhmmm01:20
wall[e]but i am waiting for vlc01:21
PhonicUKi wonder what irssi would be like on here...01:21
wall[e]deal better with subtitle01:21
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wall[e]imho01:21
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PhonicUKno hardware codecs tho01:21
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PhonicUKnn all01:23
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wall[e]g'nite01:23
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pupnikthis n900 just lost left speaker01:24
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javispedropupnik: aha, welcome to the club!01:25
javispedro*starts to worry that it is common*01:25
lcukpupnik, check you didnt just go dear in one ear01:25
lcukdeaf01:25
* lcuk went blind01:25
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pupnikhow big is the club javispedro ?01:26
javispedrotwo members and one founder (retired, me)01:27
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pupniki was being naughty and playing music loud with speaker covered by finger01:28
javispedroi am not sure if it has anything to do01:29
javispedrothere's no gradual degradation, just instant mute01:29
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javispedromy left speaker was mute after a full night of the n900... being off.01:29
calamaridid a wire come loose?01:30
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javispedroshaking it didn't help (I was here when I noticed that and played a bit here, must be on the logs :D )01:30
pupnikalsamixer looks normal01:30
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javispedronext steps are: reflashing, watching it does not help either, then calling in nokia care01:31
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pupnikdoes headphone still work ok javispedro ?01:32
javispedroyeah01:32
javispedronote that I sent mine to repair, the one I have now is fine01:32
pupnikperhaps this is what that speaker protection is for01:32
javispedro(headphone was also working ok in the broken one)01:32
javispedropupnik: considering that afaik I was the first to experience it in this channel and I _never_ ever disabled pulseaudio (you know me) ...01:33
pupnikyes i know01:33
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crowderI'm experiencing a qemu crash building a recent version of xulrunner, what's the best way to diagnose/handle this?01:38
raulherbsterhi, I'm facing some problems with icd2. I need to scan for IAPS, but icd2 DBus-based API is not working (or I'm passing wrong parameters). Does anyone have a link to an example?01:38
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jacekowskihow evil would be to have postinstallation notification in .deb package01:42
javispedromurder-inducing evil01:43
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jacekowskishame that maemo.org doesn't have package download statistics01:43
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* javispedro also wonders some icd2 things01:48
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javispedro"no module supporting scanning found" hmpf.01:49
raulherbsterthese maemo DBus-based APIs have just some few words of documentation :(01:49
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iPeter-Hey im trying to install chromium from repos and i get a error: "Unable to install chromium". Why cant i install it?01:58
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SpeedEvilYou are not shiny.01:59
javispedrooh god01:59
iPeter-:I01:59
javispedroanother random note: take care when banging head against keyboard after reading certain snippets of code02:00
javispedrohead hurts later02:00
iPeter-So non help for this?02:00
Gh0styhmm02:03
Gh0styi tought i bought a phone for this amount of money02:03
Gh0styit's actually still a developer toy02:03
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Gh0styno multipe profiles, it does not switch automatically between 3g and 2g, it does not automatically turn off wifi, i can't even have messages on my normal phone screen ...02:04
Gh0styit just is not finished, will it ever?02:04
javispedrosomeone decided those features are useless02:04
Gh0stydont get me wrong i like the device and its potential but its just not up to par with any regular phone ...02:04
Gh0styand the battery is draining like that in merely a day02:05
javispedropossibly because you try too hard to powersave. 4 days with wi-fi enabled.02:05
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Gh0styi used it today pretty common:02:06
Gh0stybluetooth in the car for my carkit, made a couple of calls probably left the bluetooth on during the day02:06
Gh0styreceived few sms and calls today02:06
Gh0stysurfed over wifi and 3g like not even half an hour in total02:06
Gh0styend result: the device is 60% empty02:07
Gh0styand that after a full recharge last night02:07
Gh0styalso talking about profiles ...02:08
Gh0styon my E65 before i had a time based profile switcher (go silent at 22h, go offline at 24h, get online back around 6am)02:08
Gh0styand for example cell location02:09
Gh0stywhen i am at the cinema my cell goes into vibrate only02:09
Gh0styall these things i would have expected to be quite 'normal' on this device02:09
Gh0stynot even figured a descent way to make more than 2 profiles right now ...02:09
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iPeter-Well i atleast knew those stuff before i bought my N90002:15
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Gh0stywas trying to find one to test02:19
Gh0stybut could not even buy it in my country02:19
Gh0styasked around in 4 shops which contacted their meta-dealers02:19
Gh0styand it was not available02:20
Gh0styapparently they are but very rare02:20
Gh0styanyway got it from the UK (had to go there anyway for a business trip)02:20
Gh0stybut ok i'm not all that unhappy with the device, only afraid i will have to pay someone to get the software for it developed right02:21
Gh0styand that for a phone of +500 eur02:21
Gh0stythey want to compete with android they will have to write better software and fast!02:21
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iPeter-Gh0sty: You shouldve know: N900 isnt a phone02:21
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iPeter-It is a mobile computer which has included a phone function.02:22
Gh0styyes yes i know the history02:23
Gh0stybut it should at least be power saving02:23
Gh0styswitch off 3g and wifi if no apps use it anymore02:24
iPeter-Well true..02:24
iPeter-Maybe someday in future :d02:24
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Gh0styyes but i'm afraid of that 'someday'02:24
Gh0stythen we are going the apple way02:24
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Gh0styin maybe a year from now it will be actually usable02:24
iPeter-But you can dl apps and turn em off manually02:24
Gh0stythat makes it a laugh02:24
Gh0styturn em off manually02:24
Gh0stysounds like writing on paper02:25
Gh0styits ANCIENT!02:25
iPeter-:P02:25
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Gh0styi bought this device to suit my lifestyle02:25
Gh0styon the road, always available getiing things done quickly and easily02:25
iPeter-Well yeah, i did too and it suits it pretty well..02:25
javispedroas I said, someone considered your feature requests useless02:25
javispedrobecause close wifi on idle where features of diablo02:25
javispedro(I personally consider that one useless too)02:26
Gh0stywhy?02:26
Gh0styyou like a battery consuming mode all the time on?02:26
javispedrowi-fi is hardly feature consuming02:26
javispedro*battery02:26
iPeter-Gh0sty: Isnt there in repos some IdleConnection application?02:26
javispedroas I said, 4 days with wi-fi on02:27
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GAN900Ideally if your AP doesn't suck battery consumption should be very low with low traffic02:27
GAN900If your AP sucks, however. . . .02:27
javispedrothrow it. 40$ bucks for one that doesn't suck02:27
* javispedro is impressed at how many people fail to test that and instead concentrate on stuff that gives minor improvements in battery life, like smartreflex...02:28
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iPeter-javispedro: what is smartreflex?02:31
Gh0styanyway going to bed now02:31
javispedronooooooooooothing02:31
Gh0styits 1h30 here02:31
Gh0stynn02:31
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javispedronite02:32
iPeter-here it is 2:30am02:32
iPeter-nn02:32
iPeter-:p02:32
oscillikGh0sty: i get two days standby from my N900 with it connected to my WiFi all the time02:32
SpeedEvilI get about a day with xchat on, maybe 4-5 without.02:33
SpeedEvil(idle, connected to wifi with powersave)02:33
javispedroyou broke my 95 hour record or is that still a "interpolation"? :)02:34
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GAN900Has anybody done any testing with 125 vs 250?02:35
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javispedrotheory says that will only help music playing use cases and the like02:37
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prontowhats a good stero headset to get for the n90002:40
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: could you check "Weird battery (?) problem bricked N900" on [maemo-users], please02:40
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javispedroyou read -users?????02:41
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timothy_hi02:42
timothy_anybody here who can help me with modest02:42
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joomsterwhat's wrong with modest?02:44
iPeter-is there any point to OC n900? Does it make computer really fast? does it drain alot battery time etc?02:44
joomsterActually, i'd overclock it to 800 mhz02:45
joomsterbut im waiting for pr 1.202:45
joomsterIt doesnt make it super fast, it makes tasks finish quicker / UI feel faster/snappier02:45
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/weird_battery---problem_bricked_n900/02:46
iPeter-Do i lose guarantee of OC?02:46
DocScrutinizerYES02:46
DocScrutinizerdefinitely02:46
joomsterSeems to me that the ebay user he bought it from had a bad battery, probably not legit02:47
joomsterand it might have damaged the n90002:47
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DocScrutinizer[2010-04-13 23:29:41] <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: overclocking will eat your CPU. Not suddently but continuously   [2010-04-13 23:32:00] <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: even 600MHz isn't considered safe for prolonged use. And anything faster than that reduces your device lifetime from decades to years to moonths to days   [2010-04-13 23:38:46] <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: btw we'll always find ways to tell you overclocked the device. Restoring original02:48
DocScrutinizerkernel won't help02:48
joomsterMost "fake" batteries dont have the circuitry to shut off the battery in case if there's a short or a cell gets damaged02:48
joomsteri mean a fuse02:49
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iPeter-DocScrutinizer: Damn. So if OC bricks it, you have to deal with it. damn, not going to try :E02:50
timothy_my modest is not working any more02:50
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timothy_which is bare suprising02:50
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joomsterHow is it not working. Is it not syncing your email?02:50
timothy_barely02:50
timothy_it's not starting anymore02:50
joomsterDoes your web browser start up?02:50
joomsterMicroB02:51
timothy_in fact i actually think it's not located where it belongs02:51
timothy_microB is fine02:51
iPeter-Whats this, tried to update. "Unable to update 'Mapper' Application packages missing: libhildon1, libpixman02:51
timothy_i might accidently have moved it02:51
timothy_joomster, do you know how to reinstall modest02:52
timothy_(or tinymail)02:52
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timothy_is there a way to reinstall 'system applications' in general?02:53
timothy_that'd be really helpful if anyone could tell me...02:54
joomstercant you do an apt-get check?02:54
joomstersee if the package broke02:54
timothy_where can I exactly get that?02:55
joomsterI dont know what it's called though. modest-something something02:55
timothy_or how02:55
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timothy_do you have a link or anything where to inform myself?02:55
joomsterusing xterm, get root access02:56
joomstersudo gainroot02:56
joomsterthen type02:56
timothy_i tried that02:57
joomsterapt-get check02:57
timothy_i'm not in rd mode i guess02:57
joomsteroh, alright02:57
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timothy_do i have to flash my device first?02:58
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DocScrutinizertimothy_: install pkg rootsh02:59
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DocScrutinizerwithout 'sudo gainroot' gets you some silly comment about RDmode, and no root access03:00
timothy_right I remember I read that somewhere, alright i do that quickly03:00
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timothy_alright that took ages, but I have it now03:09
timothy_what does apt-get check bring me?03:10
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javispedrolol03:11
crashanddiebullet`: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/04/13/inside-apples-new-macbook-pro/03:11
javispedroi just noted that ipv6 is yet another diablo feature missing in fremantle03:11
javispedroI guess ipv6 didn't unroll as planned, eh... ? heheh03:11
bullet`hey crashanddie .. yea they r out and ready to buy, with cori503:12
timothy_docscrutinizer: are you still there?03:12
crashanddiebullet`: so, it really depends what you want to do03:12
bullet`yea03:12
crashanddiebullet`: the 13" has 10h of uptime, the 15 and 17" 8-9h03:12
DocScrutinizerhmm partially03:12
bullet`i was just reading it on cnet news03:12
bullet`13" is with a cor2, 15 & 17 offers cori503:13
timothy_do you have any suggestions about how to find out why my email app is broken03:13
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bullet`the base model for 15" is $180003:13
crashanddiebullet`: The batteries are rated to 1000 charging cycles, so roughly 5 years for most people. You can have it replaced for $130 (which, including the price of the battery isn't that major)03:14
DocScrutinizertimothy_: sorry, no really competent advice here03:14
timothy_a'ight, thx though03:14
bullet`is it usual that the warrantee for mbps is global, or will i have to ask the place where i buy it from?03:15
crashanddieI don't know, I bought it in the US, never had any issues, so never had to bring it in03:15
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bullet`aha03:15
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crashanddie"The AppleCare Protection Plan provides global repair coverage, both parts and labor, from Apple-authorized technicians around the world."03:16
crashanddieSo you get one year of international warranty, that you can extend to 3 years if you pay extra03:17
DocScrutinizertimothy_: there should be some pals around here who actually know how to reinstall modest03:17
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timothy_yeah I'd like to get to know some :)03:17
dmj726hmm...I'm finding that clutter isn't showing anything in scratchbox03:18
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dmj726The windows are just transparent03:18
timothy_anybody here who knows how to fix a broken email app on maemo?03:18
crashanddietimothy_: call 0118 999 881 999  119 725             3!03:20
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timothy_who's number is that?03:21
crashanddiehmm, you don't watch the IT crowd, do you?03:22
aziwoqpdit's the new more convenient emergency services number03:22
timothy_sorry no03:22
timothy_hehe03:22
javispedroone one eight nine nine nine...03:23
javispedrodamn tune03:23
javispedromust google it03:23
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crashanddiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8GtuPdrUQ03:23
DocScrutinizertimothy_: ignore crashanddie, he forgot to take his pills today03:24
crashanddieoy!03:24
crashanddieIt was just some banter!03:25
crashanddieeven javispedro got it03:25
timothy_I assumed so03:25
javispedrothree!03:26
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crashanddieamazing timothy_, you're already on Google03:26
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timothy_so no modest cracks around i guess?03:26
crashanddie13 Apr 2010 ... timothy_, joomster, do you know how to reinstall modest, 02:52. timothy_, (or tinymail),03:27
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DocScrutinizerso?03:28
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* DocScrutinizer would like to know as well how to reinstall one of the maemo-basics03:29
DocScrutinizerwithout flashing a fiasco image03:29
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DocScrutinizerquoting a question doesnn't really help, it seems to me03:30
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crashanddiestfw?03:30
DocScrutinizerhfzusgg03:31
timothy_i posted it on the board and one reply was a full flash of the eMMC and rootfs03:31
timothy_I actually didn't want to go that far03:31
javispedrorofllmaoturriuscunus03:31
DocScrutinizerscratch the eMMC part. The flash-rootfs part is the only official method it seems03:32
javispedrotimothy_: if you don't want to reflash (which is what I suggest), you should start from trying to guess what breaked it03:32
timothy_I might have unintentiously moved it manually03:33
timothy_don't ask me how03:33
javispedrowhat03:33
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timothy_I have a .modest directory on my memory card03:33
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javispedroaha03:33
timothy_could you tell me where the program is originally located?03:34
javispedrowhat did you move?03:34
javispedroalso, did you do anything as root?03:35
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's actually hard to spot a fishy part, when you don't have a known-good reference03:35
timothy_nothing as root, when i was connected to my laptop03:35
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: no he didn't, as he had no rootsh03:35
javispedroso by definition, reinstalling modest will do NOTHING, so stop asking for it and try to remember what you moved.03:36
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DocScrutinizerseems to me you moved some files from your home to the uSD. And accidentally the .modest/ as well03:36
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javispedrostill without that modest shouldn't refuse to boot03:37
timothy_is it true that .modest doesn't actually contain the program but just the mail folders and stuff03:37
timothy_so that's what i basically have moved03:37
DocScrutinizerI'd suggest you move .modest back to your ~03:37
DocScrutinizertimothy_: yes03:38
timothy_where is your .modest folder located?03:38
DocScrutinizerand modest_the_app won't probably work when this folder is missing03:38
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DocScrutinizersorry I got no system here to check03:38
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it should work...03:38
DocScrutinizerprobably it belongs in your homedir03:39
timothy_also, i reupdated (firmwarewise) my device yesterday and it automatically moved the .modest folder to my memory card03:40
DocScrutinizermv /media/*/.modest ~/.modest03:40
javispedroer..03:40
javispedrowait before doing such a thing03:40
javispedromodest does not move ~ to memory card03:40
javispedromodest CREATES a .modest directory in the memory card on every boot03:40
DocScrutinizerWHAT??03:40
timothy_after the flash i was able to restart the mail app, but only for setting up a mail account03:40
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* DocScrutinizer sighs and heads out for a fresh Pils from fridge03:41
DocScrutinizerWTF?! modest creates folders on my uSD03:44
DocScrutinizerwhat a shit is THAT please?03:44
javispedroon maemo two apps do it03:44
timothy_how big are my chances the 1.2pr will help us out?03:44
javispedromodest and ham03:44
javispedrotimothy_: if you reflash, 100%. if you don't reflash, 5%.03:44
timothy_what does it mean: to flash only 5%?03:45
DocScrutinizer <timothy_> after the flash i was able to restart the mail app, but only for setting up a mail account03:45
DocScrutinizerso what's broken is your setup, not modest!03:46
javispedrohm, so did he reflash already? this changes it indeed.03:46
timothy_i mean the initial mail account setup thing, where you state your provider and stuff03:46
DocScrutinizeracrually I lost track03:47
timothy_i reflashed to 3.2010... something03:47
timothy_which i already had03:47
DocScrutinizeraah a freudian. don't be so crual to me :-P03:47
timothy_what?03:48
DocScrutinizertimothy_: sorry, your story is getting to a state of confusion I can't follow ATM03:49
javispedrotoo late and sleepy and too many errors in my own code03:49
* javispedro is thinking that very profound question "how did this ever work?"03:50
timothy_i stated a post on the board. you might want to read it tomorrow03:50
dmj726maemo-optify won't install...03:50
timothy_called recovering email app03:50
DocScrutinizertimothy_: try to locate all .modest folders on your system, check which one has the most and newest files, and copy that one to your homedir03:50
dmj726...in scratchbox03:50
dmj726Has anyone else had this issue?03:50
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timothy_thank you so far, see you later03:52
DocScrutinizertimothy_: or wait, don't you have a backup?03:53
javispedroaha03:54
javispedrogod libicd-network-wpa supplicant working again, on n90003:54
javispedrotime to end this hacking session, gnite gentleman03:56
DocScrutinizererr, was it broken?03:56
DocScrutinizer n8 javispedro03:56
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javispedroif you think it was not broken I think it's not what you think it is :)03:56
javispedrocya03:56
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crashanddietmo down again?04:12
lcuki dunno, watch youtube whilst you wait :p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4ItSg0sFQ04:13
crashanddieno youtube at work04:14
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NTUis maemo a video game?04:23
godrikno04:23
DocScrutinizerno, a virus04:24
NTUa virus... sweet04:24
DocScrutinizerspecially designed and only able to survive on heart pacemakers04:25
Proteousheh04:25
NTUi dont have a pacemaker04:25
NTUmy heart is fine ;)04:26
godrikit is not important. you can get it by touching someone that has a pacemaker04:26
NTUwhat the hell...04:26
godrikit is pretty dangerous if you don't have one04:26
godrikmaybe you should talk to your familly doctor about that04:26
NTUoh i see /b/rothers04:27
NTUits a joke04:27
NTUim 4channing this!04:27
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Proteous...04:36
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DocScrutinizernow that's been a strange troll04:38
Proteousyeah04:41
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crashanddieis there a dbus call we could use to replace the content of the clipboard?04:58
crashanddieok, I need to bounce some ideas off someone04:59
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: around?05:03
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: arounD?05:04
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DocScrutinizerhmm?05:05
crashanddieok05:05
crashanddiekeep reading05:05
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crashanddieUse-case: I'm using my desktop, browsing some stuff, I want to send it to my N900 because I'm [going to the loo|commuting|whatever]05:06
DocScrutinizer.05:06
crashanddieThere's a small app running on my desktop, I right click on it, and select "Send clipboard to N900"05:07
LiraNunacrashanddie, look at synergy05:07
crashanddieor, "Send clipboard to N900 clipboard", or "Send clipboard to N900 bookmarks"05:07
DocScrutinizer.05:07
crashanddieTwo way we can have this interaction going05:07
LiraNunasynergy05:07
crashanddieeither through a webserver on the net, both the desktop and the n900 talk to it after having been enrolled05:08
crashanddieor directly through local wifi network05:08
LiraNunaI love being ignored05:08
LiraNunacrashanddie, SY-NER-GY05:08
DocScrutinizerLiraNuna: just wait until we start debate05:09
LiraNunait's just amazing I spewed the same application name 4 times and he keeps on the user story05:09
crashanddieOption a (webserver) has the inconvenience of requiring to be connected to the internet05:09
LiraNuna...05:09
LiraNunaDocScrutinizer, do you think he /ignore'd me05:09
DocScrutinizernope05:09
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crashanddieoption b requires some kind of authentication between n900 and desktop/laptop, in case there are multiple n900's on the network05:10
LiraNuna....................05:10
DocScrutinizerLiraNuna: but I like to hear a comprehensive usecase, before we cut it05:10
LiraNunacrashanddie, THAT. PROBLEM. HAD. BEEN. SOLVED05:10
LiraNunahttp://synergy2.sourceforge.net/05:10
LiraNunawhy reinvent the wheel?05:11
crashanddieBecause it's fun?05:11
crashanddieand I hate how synergy is implemented?05:11
DocScrutinizerLiraNuna: if you can't wait, you'll probably really get ignored05:11
LiraNunabut it's exactly what you want05:11
bef0rdsynergy is awesome05:12
LiraNunaDocScrutinizer, can't wait for what? I was offering him a solution05:12
crashanddieLiraNuna: I wasn't looking for a solution05:12
bef0rdif you hate synergy you FAIL.05:12
DocScrutinizerLiraNuna: the point is, he hadn't any problem for you to offer a solution05:12
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crashanddieLiraNuna: anyway, yes, there is synergy, however I never looked into it05:13
crashanddieLiraNuna: how well is it integrated with desktop OS's, and how well is it integrated with Maemo?05:13
* DocScrutinizer is leaving the party, someone pooped05:13
LiraNunacrashanddie, it's a console application05:13
LiraNunacrashanddie, just compile and start synargyc05:14
crashanddieLiraNuna: if I take an arbitrary string of text and dump it to the desktop client, can it find an URL in it, and act upon it?05:14
LiraNunano but you can share clipboard05:14
crashanddieLiraNuna: as i said in my use-case initially, I want to have a small widget that allows me to easily send it to the device I want, into the funnel I want (clipboard, open browser or bookmarks)05:14
crashanddieLiraNuna: also, i want to have the option between server-managed, and local-network managed.05:15
LiraNunacrashanddie, you should change the widget to 'open URL from clipboard' then05:15
LiraNunacould*05:15
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crashanddiealso, because of the server-managed option (in case desktop/n900 aren't on the same network), I don't want to have the clipboard being shared automagically and continuously05:16
crashanddieso, my questions, considering I now have some people listening:05:16
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crashanddiedesktop widget needs to run on Windows, Mac and Linux, what toolkit do we use?05:17
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LiraNunacrashanddie, Qt/GTK05:17
DocScrutinizerqt05:17
DocScrutinizerthough I'm virtually gone05:18
crashanddieIn case of local-network managed system, who  is the server, who is the client? I was thinking of a network broadcast asking for client availability, and have the n900 reply to that -- then do a simple crypto footprint check to make sure we're talking to the right N90005:18
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DocScrutinizerobex-push05:19
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crashanddiec'mon guys, more thoughts05:21
crashanddiethis ain't bouncing05:21
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: package into a plaintext format (similar vcard) so you could send via obex-push via BT, or you sens SMS, or you sent instant msg via SIP (the web based usecase)05:38
DocScrutinizerfor wlan infrastructure and ad-hoc you'd need to find or implement a similar protocol05:39
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: BT is a battery drain -- however could be used in paralel with a auto-logoff from workstation as soon as N900 isn't within range anymore. SMS costs money, and is hard to do from desktop, SIP would be good, but how do you manage accounts?05:39
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DocScrutinizersms from desktop is kinda easy05:40
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: implementing the protocol really isn't a hard thing to do, and the web server side of things is piss-easy as well (just a quick GAE app would do the trick)05:40
DocScrutinizeryou got both dial-in and web-based services05:40
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DocScrutinizer(sms) check yaps05:41
DocScrutinizerinbound is a lil bit awkward though05:42
DocScrutinizeron desktop05:43
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DocScrutinizerfor SIP see SIP-INFO (or twinklephone.com istant messaging) for the transfer method. Accounts would be handled like every usual sip-account you have registered to or hold in your contacts05:50
DocScrutinizerand then there's also a thing called direct-peer2peer05:51
DocScrutinizersip:joerg@joerg.mydyndns.org05:51
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DocScrutinizerthis should as well work in WLAN: sip:joerg@192.168.56.7805:52
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DocScrutinizerno need for any account at any SIP registrar05:53
DocScrutinizeralas telepathy (or maemo dialer) seems doesn't support it05:54
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DocScrutinizernice detail: a lot of SIP providers sport a gateway SIP-INFO_IM<->SMS05:55
Artek_Hello. What's a good IRC app for the N900 ?05:55
DocScrutinizerxchat05:55
DocScrutinizersome love irssi05:55
DocScrutinizer-8not me though05:56
Artek_irssi or xchat?  Which one do you recommend?05:56
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DocScrutinizerI'm using xchat since 2 years now, on maemo05:56
prontoi use irssi when at computers, but xchat on the n90005:56
Artek_ok05:56
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frosty`it would be nice if that telepathy-idle package was actually useful06:00
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godrikArtek_: I use some time irssi over ssh on my n810 and I must say it is quite painful to use. xchat is probably a better choice if you initiate the connexion from your device06:23
Artek_I see.06:23
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filokrunchmy network postioning no longer working06:26
filokrunchcan anyone tell me where to look to get started on troubleshooting that?06:26
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godrikfilokrunch: network positioning ?06:29
filokrunchyes06:29
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filokrunchactually I just got a popup on my n900 right now saying that the user defined network positioning server cannot be contacted, and defaulting to supl.nokia.com06:30
filokrunchtill now I had it set to supl.google.com and always got a network fix immediately06:31
filokrunchnow whether I use supl.nokia.com, or supl.google.com no fixes, unless I wait out under the open sky for like 5 min.06:32
filokrunchI think the error started when I exited out of sygic during its setup06:33
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filokrunchso my question basically is: which system files could sygic have edited/corrupted to cause network connection errors to the network positioning servers?06:36
opdf2how many mA does n900 pull when charging?06:36
opdf2milliamps06:36
ShadowJKopdf2, you're asking this why?06:37
filokrunchor which files or gconf keys contain the settings for a succsessful connection to a network positioning server?06:37
ShadowJKfilokrunch, so did supl.nokia.com work before you changed it to google?06:37
opdf2ShadowJK:   ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one work06:37
opdf2ShadowJK:   ive been using several usb car chargers and all but one *dont work06:38
ShadowJKThat's more likely a signaling issue I'd think06:38
filokrunchI'm not sure, if it did it took too long to get a fix06:38
opdf2and it happens to be the cheapest one06:38
filokrunchI've been using supl.google for many months without any issues till now06:39
ShadowJKThe charger must have D+ and D- pins shorted together (or a small resistor) to tell the N900 that it's a charger and that it's okay to pull power06:39
ShadowJKin my experience N900 will say "Charging" even to the most pitifully weak charger :-)06:39
opdf2i see. The spec on the usb car charger that does work is 800 mA output...I'm not sure if that is too much or too lite06:39
opdf2*little06:39
ShadowJKWell, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-)06:40
filokrunchopdf2: I use the nokia supplied cable with usb car charger and it work ok06:40
opdf2standard usb spec is 500 mA, is it not?06:41
opdf2filokrunch:  i see06:41
ShadowJKthe wall charger is 1200mA06:41
filokrunchyes for a computer06:42
ShadowJKone of Nokia's two microusb car chargers is around 600-800mA iirc06:42
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filokrunchmy car charger though says 1000mA, and it charges about twice as fast as my computer06:42
ShadowJKI used my old 2mm nokia car charger + the adapter, and that was about 300mA and worked fine06:42
opdf2ShadowJK:  you're right. okay i should be fine. This car charger is 5V 800 mA06:43
filokrunchi have a wall charger that came with a bluetooth headphones, and it says 300mA, but the n900 never starts charging off of it06:43
opdf2I'm kinda worried about frying the n900 since the only usb car charger i could find it stores that works is only $5 usd06:45
ShadowJKIf the datalines are unconnected on the charger, N900 will ignore it06:45
opdf2the $20 usb wouldnt work06:45
ShadowJK(and not charge)06:45
filokrunchoh, thats probably it06:45
opdf2*usd06:45
ShadowJKWell the charging chip datasheet says it has input overvoltage protection..06:45
ShadowJKobviously it doesn't extend so far that it'd survive if you took wires and jammed them into an outlet and then into your n900, but..06:46
opdf2ShadowJK:  okay cool06:46
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ShadowJKI had to open up my tekkeon and solder it before n900 would charge from it06:46
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crashanddieShadowJK: wouldn't the alternating part be more damaging?06:51
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crashanddieother than the fact that most diodes would fry instantly when in contact with such a massive over voltage06:51
ShadowJKspecs says maximum 20V06:52
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DocScrutinizerbeware VBUS is routed to other components as well06:54
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filokrunchShadowJK: so can you give me any clues about system files/settings associated with network positioning?06:57
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900-force_charging_on_usb/06:57
filokrunchok I found the location in gconf06:59
filokrunchits under system/nokia/location06:59
filokrunchhers my settings:07:00
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ShadowJKWe could probably go behind the back of bme and enable charging anyway ;-)07:00
filokrunchdisclaimer-accepted=true07:00
DocScrutinizersure07:00
filokrunchgps-disabled=false07:00
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: big surprise :-P I found I2C device nodes in /dev07:01
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, /dev/i2c-2 ?07:02
DocScrutinizeryup07:02
ShadowJKeach i2c bus has its own device node :)07:02
DocScrutinizeryup07:02
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ShadowJKeh?07:05
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DocScrutinizernevertheless we for sure want proper synodes, like07:07
DocScrutinizerhalley:~ # ls -l /sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/device:00/PNP0C0A:00/power_supply/BAT0/07:07
DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 alarm07:07
DocScrutinizer-r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_full07:07
DocScrutinizer-r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 14 06:06 charge_full_design07:07
DocScrutinizer-r--r--r-- 1 root root 4096 Apr 13 21:48 charge_now07:07
DocScrutinizerand sme more, esp like the ones on OM07:08
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DocScrutinizersys-nodes, not synodes07:08
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: stop flood :P07:09
DocScrutinizeryes07:09
ShadowJKwtf :-)07:09
ShadowJKI've never seen those before07:09
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ShadowJKthat's like where all the pointless acpi stuff goes on a PC07:10
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ShadowJKoh07:10
ShadowJKright07:10
ShadowJKI missed the line07:10
ShadowJK"we for sure want pproper synode, like"07:11
ShadowJKand thought it was n900 :)07:11
DocScrutinizernot yet :-S07:11
ShadowJKI should try bully one of the people who make widgets into making a "Charge now, dammit" widget07:11
DocScrutinizercmdline exec widget ;-P07:12
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idle whether nokia charger unconnects D+/- on mains off07:14
sheepbatthat seems needlessly complex07:14
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DocScrutinizer[2010-04-14 05:40:52] <ShadowJK> Well, my N900 will happily claim "Charging" when I connect my /switched off/ tekkeon :-)07:15
crashanddieShadowJK: you couldn't bully a fly into a jar of vinegar if you tried07:15
DocScrutinizerNokia charger doesn't do this07:15
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, I think that's just because there's enough energy in capacitors to make it look like 5V :-)07:16
ShadowJKand bme seems extremely lazy at checking whether charger has raised error flags07:16
DocScrutinizeryes07:17
* GAN900 slowly dies of jetlag.07:17
microlithGAN900: I take it you are going to be at the workshop thursday?07:18
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GAN900microlith, yeppers07:19
microlithcool07:19
DocScrutinizerworkshop?07:19
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microlithhttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/lfcs2010/meego-workgroup07:20
GAN900MeeGo workshop at the LF Summit07:20
GAN900microlith, why, you here?07:20
DocScrutinizeraah07:20
microlithGAN900: Up in Folsom now, trying to settle some things so I can disappear down to SF on thursday07:21
microlithand bum a co-workers invite07:21
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GAN900Hehe07:21
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* GAN900 doesn't get it when companies put big TVs on the wall and hook them up to coax or composite.07:23
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microlithprobably waiting for the next remodel to upgrade07:24
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microlithwhee07:25
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dotblankWhat exactly does minigpsd do?07:31
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* ShadowJK wonders if it has even been tested on n900/maemo507:32
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: nobody's looking at it anyway07:34
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, well, specifically I'm talking about this hotel TV. :p07:35
DocScrutinizerwell, for those there isn't much of a choice, if you want more than the housechannel07:37
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DocScrutinizeractually analog RF or DVB is all you can reasonably use07:38
DocScrutinizernone of those yields a particularly bad quality per se07:40
GAN900DVB isn't a thing here. :P07:41
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slonopotamusany glib gurus?07:52
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otuboHello everyone, it seems that my N900 is dropping the connection (whatever it is, wifi or 3G) very often.08:01
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otuboI saw a bug from 2007, but it seems deprecated.08:02
otuboDoes anyone have a light08:02
otubo?08:02
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crashanddieotubo: I doubt that there are any bugs from 2007 that apply to the N90008:19
Stskeepsbesides 'no ogg support'08:19
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crashanddieotubo: you sure you didn't configure the N900 to automatically disconnect after x minutes idle?08:19
otubocrashanddie, I found an entry on talk.maemo.org about this issue08:19
otubocrashanddie, I didn't configured anything like that. Besides, I didn't know that this was possible08:20
otubo:)08:20
crashanddiemy point exactly, maybe inadvertently?08:20
otubocrashanddie, where exactly is this option?08:21
slonopotamushttp://codepad.org/Ej1KKVRa fails on last assert. any ideas?08:21
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RST38hslono: g_match_info_fetch(match_info, 3) does not return '"'?08:23
RST38hslono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes?08:26
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otubocrashanddie, found it. Let me test08:26
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slonopotamusmeh, got disconnected08:29
otubocrashanddie, no, didn't find it. Where is this settings, jesus? :-)08:30
RST38hslono: but really, do you expect "b" to contain quotes?08:32
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slonopotamusRST38h: i expect third group to be empty string, not null08:42
RST38hoh these are ""08:42
slonopotamusyep08:43
slonopotamusaccording to docs, NULL from g_match_info_fetch indicates error08:43
slonopotamusand empty string is returned when group doesn't match08:44
RST38hglib is probably just broken08:44
slonopotamusand that happens for first group. but not for the last one. (actually i observe such error for all non-matching groups at the end of line)08:44
RST38hbut let us entertain it for a bit08:45
RST38hreplace (c)? with (c{0,1})08:45
RST38hsee what happens08:45
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RST38hAlso, try matching "ab" string with it and see if it makes third group non-null08:46
slonopotamus"ab" doesn't08:46
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RST38hso when matching "ab", the third group is still null?08:47
slonopotamusyep08:47
RST38hbroken glib, no trust in it whatsoever08:47
slonopotamusall groups _after_ matched thing are null08:47
RST38htry c{0,1}08:47
slonopotamusRST38h: with {0,1} it is empty string08:49
slonopotamusthe funny thing is that pcre doesn't have this bug. it's in glib wrapper.08:50
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RST38h~~08:52
infobotwell, ~ is the key08:52
RST38hslono: don't use that shit08:52
RST38hslono: Use POSIX08:52
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crashanddie~define anansie08:54
infobotUse ~dict for definitions.08:54
crashanddie~dict anansie08:54
infobotcould not find definition for anansie08:54
crashanddie~google define:anansie08:54
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crashanddie~useless08:54
* infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :(08:54
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JZAhi got a question09:05
JZAI am trying to get barriosquare but I am not sure if I should use i386 or armel09:05
JZAI am on a N90009:05
JZAN810 used armel, but dunno if N900 switch to a different architecture09:05
luke-jrN900 certainly isn't i38609:06
JZAanyone can verify me on choosing armel09:06
Wolfien900 is armel too09:06
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JZAok09:06
luke-jrheck, I'm not sure *anything* is i386 anymore09:06
JZAanyone used barriosquare before?09:06
JZAluke-jr: well certainly they still doing builds for i38609:06
luke-jrJZA: I thought even Debian moved to i58609:06
crashanddieJZA: i386 is for the development environment on normal desktop computers -- don't worry about it09:07
crashanddieJZA: this being said, where are you getting it from?09:07
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JZAhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/barriosquare/09:08
JZAthis package is not on the repo, which I found odd09:08
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Pforcedoes javispedro named guy hang out here09:08
Pforceanyone know?09:08
JZAmaybe I need to enable extras-devel09:08
crashanddiePforce: yup09:08
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crashanddie~seen javispedro09:09
infobotjavispedro <~javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 12m 20s ago, saying: 'cya'.09:09
Pforcecrashanddie: yeah just looking at his gles pages there for x86 target09:09
crashanddieJZA: only if you want to break your device09:09
Pforcecould put more detailed stuf to wiki09:09
Pforcehow to get it going09:09
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Chikuptl, oh he doesn't have nick _demands_PR1.209:09
slonopotamusRST38h, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58821709:09
povbotBug 588217: was not found.09:09
JZAcrashanddie: so I should wait till they move that package to extras?09:10
crashanddieJZA: extras-devel is seriously broken for everyday use, maybe you could help out by testing this package and voting it up so that it goes to extras-testing and maemo extras09:10
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slonopotamuspovbot, ...09:10
povbotslonopotamus: Error: "..." is not a valid command.09:10
crashanddieslonopotamus: failwhale09:10
crashanddiepovbot: die09:10
povbotcrashanddie: Error: "die" is not a valid command.09:10
crashanddiepovbot: leave09:10
povbotcrashanddie: Error: "leave" is not a valid command.09:10
JZAok well it failed, I dont have qt4 here yet09:10
slonopotamuscrashanddie, :)09:10
crashanddiepovbot: quit09:10
povbotcrashanddie: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.09:10
JZAand dont want to go through the process09:10
crashanddieJZA: then it probably depends on PR1.209:11
crashanddieJZA: you'll have to be patient09:11
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n900-dkcrashanddie: Hope that I didn't hurt your feelings too much, I'm sorry that I didn't notice the actionpacked #maemo channel ;) The #n900 was already there, and was kind of boring..09:32
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MiXu-What's the issue with tmo? I haven't been able to access it for a month or something like that.09:55
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StskeepsWORKSFORME09:56
MiXu-But if I use a proxy, it works fine.09:56
MiXu-Can't access it from work or home.09:56
Kurppa_Same here. It works from home, but does not work from the office.09:56
Stskeepstraceroute and mail reggie?09:58
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slonopotamuswhat's tana_fi, btw?10:17
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dmj726any point in packaging clutter-box2d and the examples for it?10:43
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JaffaMorning, all10:48
amjadmorning jaffa10:48
bullet`morning10:48
X-FadeMorning10:49
TigerTaelhey10:51
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Dassugod damn I regret teaching my mom to use skype since there is no answering machine my phone can vibrate 24/710:54
X-FadeDassu: You know you can turn it off, right? :)10:54
X-FadeOr block your mom :D10:54
Dassuyep10:54
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Dassuand I did10:54
X-FadeBut that just seems very wrong.10:55
DassuX-Fade: wait I canblock contacs? :o10:55
Dassuhmm Gotta filter those spammers10:56
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supertrampis it possible to define directory (or device) to be shared (exported) as a mass storage device for USB host?11:11
Stskeepsdevice yes, directory no11:11
supertrampStskeeps: my idea is to have pseudo-device (truecrypt) exported as an MSTRG11:12
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Stskeepsso a cryptographic usb key, basically? :P11:13
supertrampyup - something like that11:13
Stskeepsshould be possible i gues11:14
supertrampStskeeps: please could you point me to documentation how the export can be made?11:14
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Stskeepssupertramp: g_file_storage module11:15
supertrampah great11:15
supertrampthanks Stskeeps :)11:16
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Stskeeps(cool idea, btw)11:16
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crashanddiesupertramp: mind going into more detail?11:19
crashanddieyo spliffy11:19
crashanddieshit, tab-pwned11:19
crashanddieyo SpeedEvil11:19
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TeQuillaaaAhello11:19
crashanddiehello TeQuillaaaA11:19
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TeQuillaaaAhow can i install .jar files in easydebian?11:19
TeQuillaaaAany commands ?11:19
TeQuillaaaAforthe terminal11:20
crashanddieyou can't install a .jar11:20
TeQuillaaaA*for the11:20
crashanddieyou can run them, at best11:20
TeQuillaaaAwhy11:20
TeQuillaaaAokay11:20
TeQuillaaaAthen run ;)11:20
crashanddiedid you install java?11:20
TeQuillaaaAwait11:20
TeQuillaaaAhow can i execute .jar files in easydebian?11:20
TeQuillaaaA:P11:20
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crashanddieTeQuillaaaA: perfect, you need to install java first11:20
TeQuillaaaA:D11:20
TeQuillaaaA:DS11:20
TeQuillaaaAwait11:20
crashanddieTeQuillaaaA: apt-get install java11:20
TeQuillaaaAhow can i install java in easydebian?11:21
TeQuillaaaA:P11:21
TeQuillaaaAok11:21
crashanddieTeQuillaaaA: then, once java is installed, just type: java -jar /path/to/jarfile.jar11:21
TeQuillaaaAokay cool11:22
TeQuillaaaAi can only work as root with the debian chroot enviroment?11:22
crashanddieDon't know, never used easy debian11:22
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TeQuillaaaAokay11:22
TeQuillaaaAthen i try something11:23
crashanddieI'm off11:23
crashanddiebe back in a few minutes, just need to go home11:23
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b0unc3good morning11:24
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n900evilmaybe.11:26
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n900evilI haven't decided yet.11:26
TeQuillaaaAhow can i become root on easy debian?11:27
TeQuillaaaAsu11:27
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Mecehmm. is it common that installing mplayer messes up your system?11:31
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pupnikyou installed additional codecs, didnt you11:31
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Mecenot now, but before11:34
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pupnikthat messed up media player for me11:42
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hrwmorning11:55
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konttorimorning hrw11:56
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fralsmornin all o/11:57
dufferhi11:57
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fralsannoying when restoring backup; if you decide not to force install of a package with missing deps the whole reinstalling of packages is aborted12:00
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MohammadAGthat fails :/12:00
MohammadAGif only all packages with non broken packages used a pattern for version numbers12:01
duffermmm not good  can you run the backup manager from command line  with switches?12:01
MohammadAGapt-pinning would help12:01
frals"Installation file corrupted" "Yes/No" - wtf?12:01
MohammadAGlol12:01
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MohammadAGxarchiver fixed, again :)12:02
Treibholzfinally I found a sane icalendar-module for python! Hurray!12:02
MohammadAGuninstallation was borked12:02
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Treibholzso CalDAV-sync is one step closer! :-)12:03
mecepupnik, ping12:03
mecepupnik, ping12:03
dufferduffer, ping12:05
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mecehmm my hildon-status-menu went apeshit after my mplayer fuckup..12:07
MohammadAGkillall hildon-status-menu :)12:07
mecesounds like a bad idea.12:07
mececraap.12:08
meceI'm at 100% with nothing running now :/12:08
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mecebleh12:08
mecehildon-status-menu and pulse run amok12:09
dufferreboot?12:09
mecedone it 100 times already..12:09
BCMMtalking of pegging the cpu, anyway to run the app manager nice?12:10
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pupnikmece: hello12:10
dufferreflash12:10
BCMM^any way12:10
mecepupnik, you said something about mplayer and codesc?12:10
mececodecs12:10
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pupnikgood point BCMM12:11
supertrampis there ntfs-3g support for maemo12:11
supertramp?12:11
pupniki asked whether extra codecs had been installed mece12:11
BCMMjust installing big packages has made the wm lock up12:11
mecepupnik, yes they had.12:11
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BCMMand it shouldn't be due to disk use on a solid state system12:12
mecepupnik, is there a way to fix this?12:12
pupnikwell they screwed up media player for me.  mplayer still works12:12
mecepupnik, yeah.12:12
pupnikhmm12:12
mecepupnik, however I removed just about everything, and it didn't start working again.12:12
meceand also, now hildon-status-menu and pulse combined eat 100% cpu constantly.12:12
BCMMcan one change the environment the gui runs in? then i could insert a wrapper script12:13
pupnikowww12:13
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meceand now there has appeared some errors on the [x] button in xterm! wow. That's fucked up.12:13
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dufferreflash and be done12:14
meceI don't have a usb cable right now.12:14
pupnik 2822  2821 user     S     3416  1.3  7.6 mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol 012:14
BCMMhmm, apt itself doesn't have a config file to make it nice does it?12:15
pupnik thats my top cpu user atm.  6-8 percent12:15
mecethat's nice.12:15
pupnikat 250mhz12:15
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duffer2.9% :-)12:18
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SpeedEvilpupnik: stock mplayer?12:20
SpeedEvilpupnik: what does playing wavs look like?12:20
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Sceltkonttori: are you having bad connection?12:23
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konttoriHmm... perhaps I am. I'm under wlan, but the connection might be flaky.12:23
SceltI see. You have just been reconnecting quite often. Maybe sometimes you just quit normally so it distracts my internal statistics engine12:24
konttoriwell, also, my mac is 'green' so, it's shutting down in 5 minutes if I don't use it (or no download is in progress)12:25
SpeedEvilMy thinkpad is black.12:25
konttori(you know, linux distro, or video podcast on torrent)12:25
Sceltsure sure :)12:26
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Treibholzis that normal: I get a notification for every mail I get in my activesync Exchange-account, not only for those that reach the inbox, also those in the other folders.12:27
duffermy asus 901 is white, big mistake ;-)12:28
Treibholzmy IdeaPad S10e, too. Very bad idea...12:29
BCMMwhich highlighting text editors are available?12:30
TreibholzPyGTKEditor, vim12:30
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dufferleafpad12:30
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BCMMi finally got latex working :)12:31
dufferin extras i think12:31
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dufferhas anybody got sygic? how is it?12:37
Stskeepsi like it12:37
duffercool  maybe after payday :-)12:38
dufferroutes sensible?12:38
jacekowskii got it from torrent shop12:39
dufferhehe12:40
jacekowskiand i think you can get sygic from sygic website for free12:40
jacekowskibut you pay for maps12:40
dufferoh ok12:40
jacekowskiwell, i'm not going to spend almost 70 quid on piece of software that i'm going to use once a month12:41
jacekowskibecause it works out to be more expensive than normal tomtom gps12:41
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dufferi the licence transferable to future meego devices??12:42
dufferis12:43
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supertrampis it safe to format /dev/mmcblk0p1 on n900?12:47
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SpeedEvilDoes modest only do email?12:57
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TreibholzSpeedEvil: yes, and not very good...12:59
SpeedEvilhmm.12:59
* SpeedEvil wonders where it's started.12:59
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SpeedEvilI never actually want to use it, and it's eating my RAM12:59
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corecodei don't think maps/gps works at all without network13:18
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Scelttimeless_mbp: megabits per what?13:18
Sceltor actually millibits13:18
corecodei was walking around in paris yesterday without network and i did not get a lock13:19
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Anss|a-gps might need network, gps should not13:20
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achipaSpeedEvil: if you ever manage to get Modest to do the laundry, too, let me know !13:22
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corecodewell, i'd be happy if it would store the sent mails on the server13:25
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SpeedEvilIs there a way to get a backup state with flasher?13:28
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SpeedEvilI'd like to backup my current state exactly - to an image on my desktop, that I can then restore if I bork stuff.13:28
* timeless_mbp eyes Scelt13:29
Scelts/ey/dy/13:29
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Scelt"Achtung! Ich bin ein negro"13:29
Sceltor which color did you use?13:30
gouverneur?13:30
SpeedEvilpink.13:30
Sceltdamn13:30
timeless_mbpScelt: did you nick complete the wrong person?13:30
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SceltI can sing now, but with a bit of feminine voice13:30
gouverneurSpeedEvil: inter (looking for it) resting question13:30
Scelttimeless_mbp: no. I tried to ask what that mbp stands for13:31
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riz_hello everyone13:33
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riz_trying to us fMMS on n900 with vodafone uk. Get the name or service not known error whatever I do. any ideas?13:34
riz_I'm using the "Vodafone internet  gprs" APN.13:34
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timeless_mbpmacbook pro13:34
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Scelttimeless_mbp: kewl13:35
timeless_mbphttp://www.google.com/search?q=mbp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-813:35
timeless_mbpi'm feeling lucky fwiw :)13:35
timeless_mbpheck, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBP - i'm feeling wikipedia :)13:36
SpeedEvilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ManBearPig13:36
timeless_mbpyeah, not that one :)13:37
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jacekowskiriz_: you have to use mms apn13:41
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riz_jacekowski: any pointers?13:41
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fralsriz_: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#Vodafone_UK13:42
sECuREhm, do .Xresources get used in maemo? there is no xrdb13:44
riz_frals: how do I create new APN?13:44
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jacekowskifAPN i think13:45
riz_jacekowski: thanks13:45
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mecewhat's the package for the standard media player? I could try reinstall it..13:48
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meceoh whadya know, it's "mediaplayer"13:50
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jacekowskiusb port on my laptop is starting to have problems14:18
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* SpeedEvil passes jacekowski a soldering iron.14:18
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jacekowskinah, it's mechanical problem14:19
jacekowskithese small springy bits inside are worn out14:20
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jacekowskiand any slightest touch in downwards direction makes it lose contact14:20
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* andrewfblack stumbles in...its do dang early to be awake and at work14:59
andrewfblackwow I made http://maemo.org/news/15:00
andrewfblackand my first blog post in 2 weeks with no down votes lol15:01
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lcukmmm why are meego screenies downvoted?15:02
lcukon planet15:02
Ken-Youngandrewfblack, Is there a page somewhere that shows screenshots of all your Maemo 5 themes?15:02
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andrewfblacklcuk: because they are intel meego screenies I would say15:03
andrewfblacklcuk: I downvoted symbian freak one before just because I wanted to comment and thy make you sign up for forums to comment on blog15:04
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andrewfblackKen-Young: no not really I'm very bad at updating my site. The only offically completed theme I have is maemo-org others are all still in devel.  Several because I just havn't moved them over to testing yet.15:05
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* andrewfblack needs an assistant to keep site updated lol15:06
lcukandrewfblack, thats not the fault of planet tho and you got the info you wanted15:06
lcuk"i downvoted you today because the subtle shade of green on your site was reflecting badly in my glasses15:06
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lcukmornin MohammadAG15:06
MohammadAGAfternoon lcuk ;)15:07
E0xhmmm the fm radio something stop working15:07
lcukMohammadAG, http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html15:07
E0xand a msg appear in the screen bluetooth  on , look like the bluetooth is turn-off15:07
andrewfblacklcuk: what you don't like my green :)15:07
E0x( and i think control the FM receiver )15:08
lcukheh andrewfblack15:08
MohammadAGnight lcuk15:09
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MohammadAG:)15:09
andrewfblacklcuk: I can understand people down voting the meego screenies since for one they people really just reposted information that has been posted several places and two because they are screenies released by intel and since each company is going to due their own UI it is not screenshots of Nokia Meego15:09
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E0xmeego screenshots look like moblin15:16
E0xinterface15:16
E0xbut black15:16
E0xi mean all black15:17
E0xhttp://static.arstechnica.com/mobbeta1/Screenshot3.png15:17
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E0xi guess that clutter app have that lookandfeel15:19
Lumpio-Oh wow.15:20
Lumpio-Mystery meat navigation ftw15:20
Lumpio-I can't tell what half of the icons mean15:20
Lumpio-"Holy shit, my ears are speakers", heart monitor, creepy guy behind you, donut, music note, boring statistics, geometric shapes, oOo15:21
Lumpio-Out of those, I only really "get" the music note.15:21
nid0availability, status, contacts, cooking hob, music, slice of cake, slice of cake + pie, and the earth with 2 moons?15:21
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mececan mplayer play nice with mediaplayer if one doesn't have the extra decoders installed?15:21
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rmrfchik108325.607604] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk1p1)15:45
rmrfchik[108325.607635]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0)15:46
rmrfchik:((15:46
fabinaderHi all... I'm aving problems compiling my application on Scratchbox for N900, I use #include_next on my personal implementation of netinet/icmp6.h in order to extend /usr/include/netinet/icmp6.h, but when I compile it in Scratchbox I receive an error such that it means gcc didn't "merged" the two icmp6.h files... More, I received a feedback with -v sucha s "ignoring duplicate directory '/usr/include' as it is a non-system directo15:47
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EbzzryIf I'm not going to use Ovi maps, is it safe to delete ~/MyDocs/cities/ ?15:57
TigerTaelWhat do you fear?15:57
lcukEbzzry, dunno, just leave it there unless you are in need of space15:57
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MohammadAGEbzzry, it's only map data15:58
EbzzryMaybe needing it later? Maybe it's used by another app?15:58
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EbzzryTigerTael: isn't my question too simple for you to ask what I fear about it?15:59
TigerTaelEbzzry, well, it will only delete your map cache?15:59
EbzzryTigerTael: OK16:01
EbzzryTigerTael: that makes up for a better answer.16:01
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crashanddiefabinader: not sure I understand what you're trying to achieve16:10
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crashanddiefabinader: more specifically, I don't understand the "extend" part. This isn't C++, it's C. Why would you use the same filenames?16:12
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fabinadercrashanddie: we're extending ICPMv6 options headers, and as such using #include_next <netinet/icmp6.h> in order to "extend" the set of ICMP options...16:15
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* javispedro smells scratchbox breakage16:15
javispedrooh, and, morning.16:16
X-Fademorning javispedro :)16:16
javispedrocloaaaks :)16:17
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crashanddiefabinader: #include_next is usually considered bad practise16:19
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crashanddiefabinader: you should _not_ use include_next to adapt your program, rather, you should only use include_next when you are fixing a system-wide library.16:19
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lcukthats what hes doing crashanddie - the system provided one is not correct for his needs16:20
crashanddiethen just include it, and modify what you need after inclusion16:21
fabinadercrashanddie: OK, the only problem is that we're not the "owners" of teh application we're extending... We're extending a Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6 implementation named UMIP/Nautilus, an open-source project, and it is in their code the #include_next....16:21
crashanddiefabinader: hmm16:21
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fabinaderI can certainly do it as per-file basis, but then I stop being backward-compatible with the open-source project... I don't want to fork forever :p16:22
crashanddiefabinader: maybe the upstream open source developers can help out? This is a pretty unique and obscure usage of GCC -- doubt you'll find anyone in #maemo who's comfortable with it.16:23
crashanddiefabinader: that or #gcc16:23
crashanddiefabinader: this being said, could you put the output of gcc in a pastebin?16:24
fabinadercrashanddie: Yeap... One sec...16:24
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fabinadercrashanddie: compilation in Linux  is http://maemo.pastebin.com/zSG9xDbX16:25
fabinadercrashanddie: compilation in Scratchbox is http://maemo.pastebin.com/v70zNkvt16:26
* MohammadAG wants a SIXAXIS attachment for the N90016:26
AppiahMohammadAG: I was thinking about that the other day16:27
Appiahhmm16:28
MohammadAGi was thinking of a desgin similar to the keypad16:28
MohammadAGthe official keypad for the sixaxis/DS316:28
Appiahhuh?16:28
crashanddiefabinader: first of, scratchbox's gcc is 4.2, whereas your linux's gcc is 4.316:28
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crashanddiefabinader: second, you get the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" error in both scratchbox and linux16:29
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TreibholzMohammadAG: isn't there a bluetooth-version?16:29
MohammadAGTreibholz, it is bt16:30
MohammadAGAppiah, http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/sony-ps3-wireless-keypad-1.jpg16:30
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fabinadercrashanddie: in other words, the "as it is a non-system directory that duplicates a system directory" is probably not the source of the problem, right?16:30
MohammadAGsteal design + add tilting mechanism + rip keys off = stand16:30
Appiah:)16:30
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crashanddiefabinader: why are you specifying /include as a isystem, but not /usr/include ?16:31
AppiahI got 2 sixaxis controllers doing nothing16:31
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MohammadAGI have a PS316:31
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MohammadAGgot blocked from psn sadly16:31
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AppiahWould be cool to build something like that16:31
MohammadAGcause i refused to update16:31
ChewtoyAnyone know of a nice foldable bluetooth keybord that works with n810?16:31
Appiahumm16:31
crashanddieMohammadAG: you're an idiot :P16:31
Appiahthat update that would brick/ remove install other os?16:32
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fabinadercrashanddie: that was generated automatically from the open-source project's ./configure we're extending from... That's a good question...16:32
MohammadAGcrashanddie, is that a compliment?16:32
MohammadAG:P16:32
MohammadAGAppiah, it removes Other OS, which in my case is linux16:32
fabinadercrashanddie: for your information, if I change from -isystem ../include to -I../system, then it works on Scratchbox... I can always change that on Makefile.am, but then I also fork... :(16:33
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crashanddiefabinader: no no, -isystem defines that the directory specified is a system directory (and is looked into after the initial inclusion path)16:33
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crashanddieman this doesn't make sense16:34
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, well you didn't make sense the other day :P16:34
crashanddieMohammadAG: no, not a compliment. You're denying yourself the usage of the PSN just in order to keep the benefit of using a barely usable OS16:35
MohammadAGcrashanddie, err I was using a proxy16:35
MohammadAGbut it was blocked yesterday16:35
fabinadercrashanddie: Thanks anyway, I will take the suggestion of removing #include_next issue to the UMIP/Nautilus mailing list...16:35
crashanddiefabinader: it could very well be that I don't grasp what they're trying to accomplish -- it may make more sense to an experienced developer16:36
inkbottleHi, I'm totally newbie, i don't even have any kind of smart phone yet; my purpose here is to collect more information: what would you say n900 is better than android? (i precise i'm debian user so far; and also i'm not here for any kind of troll; and i never had any of those two phones in hand)16:36
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crashanddiefabinader: before asking them to change it, make a proper request for documentation -- if you're wasting time because of this, they ought to be clarifying it.16:37
MohammadAGphone feaures: android16:37
MohammadAGlinux geek: N90016:37
MohammadAG:)16:37
DrGrovGooood day ya all!16:37
fabinadercrashanddie: sure, will try this first :) thanks a lot!16:37
* DrGrov has to ask if PR 1.2 has become available...........16:38
crashanddieDrGrov: do you have an update icon?16:38
frosty`you dont *have* to DrGov16:38
crashanddieinkbottle: it really depends on the kind of usage you want16:38
DrGrovcrashanddie: no, i haven't an update icon. haven't kept it connected to my home wlan or any other 3g/grps connection in a week or so.16:39
gouverneur~curse DrGrov16:39
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, DrGrov !16:39
Treibholzcrashanddie: what do you want to do with it?16:39
DrGrovcrashanddie: you have an update icon available?16:39
crashanddieDrGrov: yes16:39
Treibholzups, sorry16:39
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gouverneurI got one yesterday16:39
MohammadAGDrGrov, there is an update icon even if you're offline :)16:39
Treibholzinkbottle: what do you want to do with it?16:40
MohammadAGthird one in app manager16:40
inkbottleMohammadAG, the use i target is the one of a very small computer, so N900; but i wonder if  nexus phone hardware is not way ahead; last point: wouldn't android phone have some kind of gadgets i couldn't even bear.16:40
* nid0 facepalms16:40
DrGrovMohammadAG: ah, haven't actually seen any such since it hasn't been connected to wlan or such.16:40
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crashanddieinkbottle: if you don't mind spending money on applications, and want a device that offers good usability and don't mind trading privacy for Google's implementation, go for the android16:40
DrGrovMohammadAG: so, if I connect to my home WLAN now I should get an update icon for something... ?16:40
MohammadAG...16:40
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DrGrovI got one update icon a week or so for Pidgin and some other application16:41
gouverneurDrGrov: depends16:41
DrGrovgouverneur: depends on what? applications I keep installed?16:41
nid0In fairness to the android market, the large majority of android apps are free16:41
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inkbottlecrashanddie, Treibholz, sorry i'm been long to answer16:42
MohammadAGDrGrov, if apps you have installed have been updated16:42
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DrGrovMohammadAG: yeah, I had apps updated but nothing major...16:42
DrGrovMohammadAG: so still need to wait for PR 1.2?16:42
gouverneurDrGrov: I would guess I depends on the love of our gods16:42
gouverneurit...16:42
MohammadAGerr16:42
crashanddieinkbottle: if however you want a device that will have some issues, however allows you to almost do whatever you want (only a few bits aren't open source), and you want to have a pretty unique device, want to help the community in building a better OS and framework... go for the n90016:43
DrGrovgouverneur: i agree, it might be a complete fluke ....16:43
hrwit is just 6.5 month to November16:43
MohammadAGDrGrov, PR1.2 hasn't been released16:43
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gouverneurhrw: damn this close again16:43
* gouverneur runs for christmas shopping16:43
JakubS_does n900 have any api to react to sms arrival? for example to discard it?16:43
* MohammadAG wonders if PR1.2 pings some people16:43
gouverneur~ping PR1.216:44
infobotpong PR1.216:44
JakubS_damn  1.2. I cannot install qtirreco anymore :-(16:44
gouverneur?16:44
inkbottlecrashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: now a more specific question: what is the weight of the phone operator, on the device you have in hand, in the case of N900? (i'm not sure i made myself clear)16:44
gouverneurdamn qtirreco I hav installed....16:45
nid0inkbottle: if you're asking about customisations from the operator, none16:45
JakubS_gouverneur: probably before they started depending on packages from 1.216:45
MohammadAGinkbottle, err not sure what you mean16:45
gouverneurJakubS_: I have one up to date from testing and no problems16:45
DrGrovDamn I need more themes for the N90016:46
JakubS_huh, let me check again16:46
MohammadAGgouverneur, the dependencies depend on PR1.2 stuff16:46
MohammadAGqtirreco is broken16:46
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DrGrovIt looks so dull somehow with the regular two themes....16:46
gouverneurlet me check..16:46
MohammadAG(I have it from before though)16:46
MohammadAGgouverneur, do an apt-get upgrade in terminal16:46
MohammadAGpyside* should be held back16:47
gouverneurMohammadAG: I do that once a day in like update upgrade dist-upgrade order16:47
MohammadAGerr don't do dist-upgrades16:47
inkbottlenid0, I think it's what i mean, "they" would had applications, or peaces of software or hardware, that would modify the behavior of the stuff; plus, could i change the software of my phone (eg putting debian instead of maemo, without getting into kinds of troubles.)16:47
inkbottleMohammadAG,16:47
gouverneuris it just from today?16:47
nid0inkbottle: you cant simply replace maemo with debian, no. you can use easydebian to run debian as chroot from inside maemo though.16:48
MohammadAGgouverneur, pyside-qt4-core pyside-qt4-gui should be held back16:48
JakubS_yup, broken. had to reflash the phone so i lost previously installed version16:48
inkbottlei think i't so in the case of android.   (?)16:48
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gouverneurnope16:48
nid0what's so?16:48
inkbottlenid0, why?16:48
nid0why what?16:48
MohammadAGJakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip16:49
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MohammadAGinstall all packages there then attempt to reinstall qtirreco16:49
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JakubS_thanks. I already got used to controlling tv with n900 :-)16:49
MohammadAGinkbottle, you can install a different OS, but it will be limited16:50
inkbottlenid0, i think for android, the operators add pieces of customisation.  "Why", can't i put debian instead of maemo?16:50
inkbottleMohammadAG,16:50
inkbottleok16:50
JakubS_google should add qt to system libs - it would be easy to target both maemo and android at the same time16:50
nid0well you can if you really want to, but youll then have a phone that cant make phone calls any more16:50
MohammadAGinkbottle, you can install mer, but it's not accelerated and can't use the modem (no calls)16:50
inkbottleMohammadAG, limited because of the adaptation to the hardware?16:50
inkbottlei see16:50
MohammadAGinkbottle, no because some drivers are closed16:50
inkbottleok16:51
gouverneurmaybe because I apt-source the sdk aswell...16:51
MohammadAGgouverneur, err16:51
gouverneurwell just tools actualy so a no on this...16:51
MohammadAGthere's no such thing as apt-source16:52
inkbottlenid0, ok16:52
gouverneurI have nothin held back16:52
|Rwow wtf, i just realised the fm radio player puts the volume at the first level above mute and can't be raised with the hardware key..16:52
MohammadAGgouverneur, then you don't have devel enabled16:52
gouverneurMohammadAG: I am talking literaly!16:52
MohammadAG...16:52
JakubS_|R: on n900 volume sucks in general :-(16:52
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gouverneuryou cant google do you? (well since its in dictonaries you can but you know what I mean)16:53
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inkbottleNow a funny question: had on of you installed gnome3/gnome-shell?16:53
gouverneurMohammadAG: as I said from testing16:53
MohammadAGgouverneur, packages in devel aren't broken16:53
gouverneurno devel over her16:54
gouverneurs/her/here/16:54
infobotgouverneur meant: no devel over here16:54
MohammadAGs/devel/testing/16:54
infobotMohammadAG meant: gouverneur, packages in testing aren't broken16:54
gouverneuryou see16:54
gouverneurbut it is a known issue since the upgrade of the SDK so why you even try?16:55
MohammadAG10 chat windows, not thinking about what i'm saying so...16:55
X-Fadegouverneur: Yes, and we're very close to an solution for this.16:55
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MohammadAGgouverneur, cause it works...16:56
gouverneurbroken != works16:56
gouverneurat least on my side of the globe16:56
MohammadAGoh for the love of...16:56
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MohammadAGgouverneur, download the package and check before you argue16:56
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javispedronote though that the Qt breakage is a bit worse16:56
javispedronot much can be done about it..16:56
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MohammadAGjavispedro, except installing the old packages16:57
MohammadAGor rebuilding against the PR1.1.1 SDK16:57
gouverneurthats what I am talking about...16:58
MohammadAGgouverneur, that's what i did16:58
gouverneurhehe16:58
MohammadAGgouverneur, read your scroll back16:58
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MohammadAGi gave him old version of pyside-Qt that aren't broken16:58
javispedroqt also theoretically can be put in the device since it's pretty much independent from the rest of the device16:59
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> JakubS_, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip16:59
gouverneurah nice16:59
MohammadAGjavispedro, xarchiver in extras-devel :)16:59
javispedroI saw the thread16:59
gouverneurwell well bakc to work16:59
javispedroso much stuff depends on pyside already?17:00
MohammadAGqtirreco does17:00
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supertrampguys - how do you manipulate with application menu?17:00
supertrampcustomizing it and so on17:00
MohammadAGdefine manipulate17:00
Sceltarrange icons?17:00
MohammadAGmoving icons? wait for PR1.217:00
Scelt;D17:00
SceltPR1.2!17:01
supertrampyup - adding own applications to the menu (like script / executables etc)17:01
supertrampor removing unwanted17:01
frosty`can we get the bot to spit a daily count of the number of times PR1.2 shows up?17:01
MohammadAGsupertramp, make a .desktop file and place it in /usr/share/applications/hildon17:01
supertrampkk - thx MohammadAG!17:01
MohammadAGfrosty`, download logs and count manually :P17:01
frosty`MohammadAG: lol, okay.17:02
MohammadAG(or just find using an app that shows how many times it's said)17:02
MohammadAGor just cat the logs and wc -l them :)17:02
JakubS_just look at huge and pointless thread on talk.maemo.org17:03
frosty`MohammadAG: perhaps the bot can just reply with "wait, what? 1.2? where?!"17:03
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nid0personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel17:03
frosty`nid0: or that =/17:04
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MohammadAG<nid0> personally i'd rather see it reply with kicking the person from the channel17:06
MohammadAGchanserv :)17:06
MohammadAGwe have that on our server, but it kills instead of kicking (not using chanserv obviously) :P17:06
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inkbottlecrashanddie, Treibholz, MohammadAG: okay then, so i'm now on the way to obtain the phone (n900), i was in line with my operator... and it seems the thing is not to be done so easily :)17:08
MohammadAGoh about the customizations, they can't be done for now17:08
inkbottlehowever i'm done with questions for now; and many thanks for all of you17:09
MohammadAGbut there is something about about locking the device to a SIM17:09
MohammadAG(in PR1.2)17:09
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DocScrutinizersmebody asked for autokick?17:13
andrewfblackgraph of my site visitors looks like a crasy roller coster.  50 - 70 people everyday except days I post a blog post then I jump to 400 to 120017:13
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, please? :)17:14
sivanghas anyone got the note about the developer summit moved to London?17:14
sivangsuch great news!17:14
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autobuilder:P17:14
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Anss|andrewfblack, you are almost a famous then :)17:14
fralssivang: link?17:17
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sivangfrals: I got it part of the email from FNC17:18
sivangfrals: so not sure where the link is, I am sure it is somewhere if you google for it.17:18
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JakubS_d17:19
JakubS_why did i even bother with extra packages when "apt-get install qtirreco=0.3.0-1"  works17:20
korhojoaMohammadAG: since apr 5'th, my logs show 93 entries of PR1.217:20
supertramphow to restrict maemo autoindexing facilities like automatic search for pictures / music etc. on specific directories?17:20
JakubS_MohammadAG: pyside is not good enough for newest qtirreco because it explicitly depends on libqt4-* > 4.617:21
supertrampis it possible?17:21
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gouverneursupertramp: /home/user/.config/tracker17:22
korhojoajust do: "head -n1 \#maemo.log && cat \#maemo.log | grep PR1.2 | wc -l" and you should get a nice statistic17:22
supertrampgouverneur: thx!17:22
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sivangsupertramp: alexander ? :)17:22
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gouverneursupertramp: copy tracker to tracker.bak before you srew up17:22
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gouverneurs/srew/screw/17:23
infobotgouverneur meant: supertramp: copy tracker to tracker.bak before you screw up17:23
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supertrampgouverneur: understand :)17:23
korhojoas/test/fail17:23
supertrampsivang: my hero :)17:23
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sivangsupertramp: super apple ?17:27
zashsivang: suger apple?17:27
supertrampsupersonic17:27
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gouverneursupertramp: what do you want to change?17:29
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GAN900Too early in the morning.17:29
supertrampgouverneur: myself mostly17:30
gouverneursupertramp: first step in the right direction...17:31
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supertramp:)17:33
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supertrampI'm missing rc.local - if I do script in init.d - link it into the rc2.d - after all - it's ignored during next start (not started)17:35
supertrampany idea how to proceed? :)17:35
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gouverneursupertramp: what does your script with "$script start" initiated17:39
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: sleep away your jetlag!17:41
GAN900DocScrutinizer, no time! No time!17:42
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peetahgni ? no mpd for N900 ?17:43
DocScrutinizerGAN900: you were going west? so dawning in the middle of the night now?17:43
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DocScrutinizererr east17:43
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, woke up at 7 local, 10 EDT17:44
peetahI can find several clients but no port of the server ... am I blind or has'nt it been ported ?17:45
DocScrutinizerGAN900: 3h - that's nothing pal ;-P17:45
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supertrampgouverneur: yup - it has complete 'lifecycle' implemented17:47
GAN900DocScrutinizer, yeah, well, 3 hours last night, 9 hours of flying and Texrat getting in at 11:30 last night.17:47
GAN900er, 3 hours night before.17:47
supertrampthere must be some maemo trick :)17:47
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: anyway, enjoy your time. Fight for a good meego :-)17:49
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DocScrutinizeronce again for some advertisement :-P17:53
DocScrutinizerhttp://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html17:53
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supertrampare you guys using devel kernels?17:55
* till- wants c6 with maemo17:55
supertrampwhat's c6?17:55
Joonasnew Nokia phone?17:55
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DocScrutinizerctrl+backspace behaves like alt-tab on desktop (at least on KDE). While ctrl is pressed, every press of backspace rotates the windows. When ctrl is released, the selected (top left) window is activated. :-))17:55
till-yes new phone with qwerty17:56
supertrampnice17:56
till-i like the slim design17:56
* DocScrutinizer wonders how much cuter matan has to be, compared to Nokia GUI designers17:56
hrwtill-: 640x360px rather17:56
till-maemomized of course :)17:57
SpeedEvilneat!17:57
BCMM_did somebody says the other day that Flashlight ( http://my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Flashlight&fldAuto=1059&faq=43 ) will kill the flash LED?17:57
supertrampc6 will be linux-based?17:57
hrwsupertramp: no, s6017:57
till-nope, s6017:57
peetahnoone about MPD ?17:57
supertrampblah17:57
supertramps60 sucks17:57
till-but i hope the n900 successor will be something like the c617:57
till-in terms of design17:57
nid0it wont be17:58
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till-and with xenon flash17:58
DocScrutinizerC6 is a newly invented cpu-suspend state, where the cpu is suspended so deep it even creates power to recharge the battery17:58
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DocScrutinizerBCMM_: no, flashlight is considered safe. At least it's been last time I checked17:59
nid0personally I do desperately hope that the C6 is an indication that nokia have realised just how dreadfully awful 3line keyboards are, and have gone back to adding at least one more17:59
supertrampah - maemo is using upstart not init.d17:59
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: good good, looks useful17:59
till-http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-77621-galleryV9-cluv.jpg17:59
BCMM_talking of the camera, i'm being a little dense - how do i shoot video?18:00
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zashDocScrutinizer: thats nothing, the next-gen C7 state allows a dualcore system to use one CPU to power the other!18:00
BCMM_(i mean, short of just starting mencoder)18:01
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till-is there any information about a n900 successor?18:01
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till-i've only heard something about second half of 201018:01
DocScrutinizernid0: (3row kbd) ack!!18:01
nid0tbh 4row should be the barest minimum, decent devices deserve 5row18:02
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BCMM_ok i really cannot find the video recording button...18:03
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MiXu-The same way you take pictures?18:04
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BCMM_ah, it's a mode18:04
BCMM_like macro mode18:04
BCMM_fair enough i suppose18:04
MiXu-yup18:05
DocScrutinizeryou ever checked the N97mini kbd and 'slide' mechanism? though I don't like the haptics of the 'slide' it still has an obvious advantage of potentially freeing more real estate for kbd, And actuall the 3 minutes I checked the N97 kbd I found it to be more useable than N900 kbd18:05
MiXu-DocScrutinizer: I agree18:05
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nid0I dont much like the slide system on the n97 - the C6 proves nokia can fit a 4line keyboard into a flat slider, though18:06
nid0with what looks like a decent enough gap for the top row not to be akward18:06
nid0that or they need to go back to communicator-style clamshell, which has tons of room for a big 5line18:06
javispedrolike on the n810, but i much prefer the n810 keyboard even with the awkard top row18:06
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DocScrutinizerBCMM_: I consider this a mayor fail of GUI design. Would like better to have a big selection menu popping up on cam-gui 'start' with 2 buttons [still cam] and [video]18:06
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BCMM_DocScrutinizer: i did think it was rather unintuitive18:07
vadearlsthi18:07
nid0I always found the camera mode selection to be obvious as hell18:07
vadearlstwhat's 3+3x3+3? is it 15 or 21?18:07
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BCMM_DocScrutinizer: i mean, video isn't really another "mode" like sports and macro18:07
BCMM_then again, reduces the number of things on the screen18:07
nid0having it popup on start would be a pain because 1) it's 1 more button to click than it is now for every time I want to reuse what I did last time18:07
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nid0and 2) you'd still need an option on the screen somewhere so you could swap between them without having to close and reopen the camera18:08
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vadearlstdo any of u know if its 21 or 1518:08
vadearlst3+3x3+3 = 21 or 15?18:09
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n900-dkvadearlst: 1518:09
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nid03+3x3+3 = 21, 3+(3x3)+3 = 1518:09
DocScrutinizerBCMM_: the point is it's a PITA to start your cam by opening the slider, then have to fiddle clumsy settings to switch to mode you want18:10
vadearlstits 21 but18:10
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vadearlstevery1 on this game is sayign its 15 o.O18:10
nid0they need to l2maths18:10
vadearlstis matsh different in USA?18:10
vadearlstto england?18:10
vadearlstmaths*18:10
nid0if it is, americans are more stupid than I ever gave them credit for18:10
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vadearlstlol thx18:11
nid0and I gave them a *lot* of credit for that already18:11
ormiretvadearlst: it's 15, x has higher priority than +18:11
BCMM_what is "optification"?18:11
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nid0putting stuff in /opt18:11
X-Fade~optification18:11
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs18:11
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BCMM_thanks18:12
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DocScrutinizer~3+3*3+318:12
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nid0ormiret no it doesnt, equations are linear, thats what brackets exist for18:12
infobot1518:12
DocScrutinizerhehe18:12
nid0infobot cant do maths either18:12
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DocScrutinizerobviously, yeah18:13
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ormiretnid0: no, different operations have different precedence, http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/vol7/order_operations.html18:13
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BCMM_can somebody help me identify something in a screenshot?18:16
BCMM_what is the widget here that isn't flashlight? http://my-maemo.com/grafika/flashlight.jpg18:16
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vadearlsthang on, so 3+3*3+3 = 15 or 21? o.o18:16
BCMM_it looks like it might be a button to let you take photos using the front camera, but i can't find such a program18:17
BCMM_(yes, i know i can probably just use mplayer)18:17
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n900-dkvadearlst: Still 15 ;)18:17
Sceltvadearlst: 1518:17
vadearlsty though o.O18:17
Scelt* first, then +18:17
vadearlsthow can u do * first18:17
Sceltmath rules18:17
vadearlstare u a maths teacher? -.-18:17
vadearlstlol18:18
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Scelt* and / first, + and - follow18:18
vadearlstisnt that on a calctulator..18:18
Sceltwhat18:18
ormiretvadearlst: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations18:18
n900-dkvadearlst: Buy a new one18:18
vadearlstlol18:18
vadearlstim sure its 21!18:18
DocScrutinizernid0: I have to admit your objections to my idea with cam are valid. How about that: have 4 applauncher icons - [video] [still] [torch] [selector menu], on clicking one of them the corresponding screen pops up and asks for opening the cam slider. Selector menu is the aforementioned 2 (3?) button screen to select between video, still, and torch. If you open slider without previously hitting one of the icons, it comes up with same mode you18:18
vadearlstevery1s saying its 1518:18
DocScrutinizerselected via icons last time you used them18:18
Sceltvadearlst: it would 21 if it was (3+3)*(3+3)18:19
zashvadearlst: it's 36 of course!18:19
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vadearlstbut18:19
Sceltvadearlst: sorry, said wrong :>18:19
ormiretScelt: no, that would be 8118:19
zashScelt: you mean (((3+3)*3)+3)18:20
vadearlstisnt it 3+3 then x 3 then +3?18:20
Sceltormiret: yeah. didn't think it thru18:20
Sceltvadearlst: no, 3x3, then 3+, then +318:20
nid0DocScrutinizer: I'd think an easier solution might be camera launcher and slider just open into the last used mode as now, but with another button at the bottom next to the geotag option with a picture of whatever mode you're currently in, and clicking it giving you the choice between the three18:20
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vadearlstbut im sure i remember in school18:20
vadearlstthat some1 said that18:20
vadearlstand the teacher said thats wrong18:20
Sceltgirls have nice tits18:20
nid0that way it's split out from the shoot mode option, and would be plainly obvious as to what the button refers to18:20
Sceltthat's what you learn in school18:20
ormiretScelt: ah, yes you'd corrected yourself before I did. Must learn to type gaster to be able to feel superior :)18:21
vadearlsthhmm18:21
vadearlstso ur 100% sure its 15?18:21
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vadearlstmy brother got a B in maths and i asked him and he said 21 straight away..18:22
fralsanyone got a clue why im only getting voicemail when using http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/OssoABookContactChooser.html#osso-abook-contact-chooser-new ?18:22
fralsB in maths at what level lol18:22
Sceltormiret: yeah. I didn't really think about it, just thought that's the common the error and maybe vadearlst calculated it that way. then I checked it out and realized I was very wrong :P18:22
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vadearlstwat do u lvl? o.o18:22
Sceltvadearlst: it's 15. that's sure18:22
vadearlstbut18:23
vadearlsti just argued with about 50 people on a game18:23
ormiretvadearlst: ask google if you don't believe us: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=3%2B3*3%2B3 (note google puts in the brackets in the answer)18:23
vadearlstsaying its 2118:23
vadearlstlol18:23
Sceltvadearlst: at least if you live in this same world18:23
fralsits 1518:23
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pupnikhey i dont like the gamma curve in all lighting situations18:23
vadearlstdam ok18:23
vadearlstbye18:23
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DocScrutinizernid0: this doesn't open up room for nice implementation of things like torch. Also the cam-gui seems to provide no way right now to switch to a particular setting from e.g. a script or the like18:23
fralswait he joined this chan to get math help? O_o18:23
pupnikwill someone write for me an advanced display applet thst uses hardware to adjust gamma: :)18:24
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DocScrutinizerfriggin BS, some of you quite school after 12 months? operator precedence is a topic of 2nd class iirc18:24
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nid0DocScrutinizer: Thats true, but it just seems as though having 2-3+ entirely separate app launcher icons would be cluttering things up a lot18:25
nid0rather than just dealing with it entirely once inside the app18:25
DocScrutinizer3+3*3+3 = 3+(3*3)+3 = 15 PERIOD18:25
Wolfiehey guys... if something has a version of 1.2.3-foo, what's that "foo" part called?18:26
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SceltDocScrutinizer: but how about pr 1.2?18:26
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* lcuk overloads some of DocScrutinizer's operators to really futz with him18:30
achipaRPN FTW :)18:30
* DocScrutinizer assert()s18:30
DocScrutinizerHP42 FTW18:31
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DocScrutinizerScelt: how about autokicker on regex '.*1\.2.*\?' ?18:32
Treibholzbc FTW!18:32
achipahad a 48gx back in the days...18:32
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ptllcuk: for me the liqbase pictures are not showing up -- http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/18:32
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lcuki dont think they ever have ptl18:33
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ptllcuk: oh, ok :P18:33
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javispedrolcuk: hey, that site is nice.  any reason you're not using it? =)18:34
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DocScrutinizernid0: agree on clutter problem. Anyway now you already got camera and torch icon. You're free to keep any number of icons you feel you want to use, and simply discard the other ones18:35
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lcukjavispedro, only editing caps - that + blog would be great for liqbase.net18:35
javispedroah, no php18:36
BCMM_is it possible to make the n900 play the microphone18:36
fralsgod going crazy18:36
BCMM_(as in, output what the mic hears through the speakers or over FM)18:36
javispedroparec | paplay18:36
fralswhen i launch fmms from shortcut the osso-abook-contact-chooser-new lists all contacts18:37
fralsbut when launched from share-via service it only shows friggin voicemail18:37
fralsand the share-via is just a dbus call to launch the application, so it *should* do everything exactly the same as when launched manually18:37
BCMM_javispedro: i don't seem to have those; are they in a non-$PATH directory?18:38
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DocScrutinizernid0: main problem with cluttering app launcher though is the lack of decent user-configurable subfolders. And catorize doesn't really do a good job wrt this, as it's a PITA to configure to your own needs, rather it follows braindamaged HAM categories18:38
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nid0yar, a fully folderable app launcher would be the proper solution18:38
nid0but then, I also like having a method of swapping between camera modes while already in the camera application, without having to close and relaunch it :>18:39
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DocScrutinizeragreed, we shouldn't disable that one. Though with the solution I've sketched above I'd be perfectly happy with the way it's done now, inside cam app18:40
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DocScrutinizerBCMM_: should be possible (audio->FM)18:42
BCMM_DocScrutinizer: i presumed that javispedro was talking to me when he said parec | paplay18:43
DocScrutinizeraah javispedro already answered that18:43
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BCMM_DocScrutinizer: i know general audio can go to fm; wondering about piping the mic to fm18:43
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javispedroBCMM_: pulseaudio-utils package18:43
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javispedrothrough it's not-optified in nokia repo and paplay doesn't seem to want to pipe frm another program (does it expect a sane riff header or what?)18:44
BCMM_javispedro: worked taht out with apt-cache, but i get write() failed: Broken pipe18:44
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DocScrutinizerplaysound seems a possible alternative to paplay18:44
DocScrutinizeriirc18:44
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javispedroah18:46
javispedropacat -r | pacat -p18:46
javispedroseems to work better18:46
DocScrutinizerlol18:46
BCMM_hmm18:46
DocScrutinizer~lart pulseaudio18:46
* infobot gives pulseaudio a good seeing to18:46
BCMM_don't even know which microphone18:46
BCMM_(it would use18:46
javispedro"which microphone"?18:46
javispedrois there more than one?18:46
BCMM_i think so18:46
javispedroDocScrutinizer: is it so?18:47
DocScrutinizerbuiltin and headset, yes18:47
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javispedroah, external18:47
DocScrutinizerthough I guess they're mutually exclusive18:47
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BCMM_oh, i guess there is only one18:47
BCMM_i had thought there was one on the front18:47
javispedrotada, you already have fm karaoke18:48
DocScrutinizer(mutex) not on a hw level, but probably in the way alsa/pa handles them18:48
javispedrobah, i'm to bored to start fiddling with pa again now18:49
BCMM_hmm don't think that's working18:49
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: \o/ LOL18:49
BCMM_well, taht or the mic is really good at avoiding wind noises18:49
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BCMM_ah!18:49
BCMM_the silent profile actually mutes the speakers18:49
javispedroDocScrutinizer: Alsa seems to thing there are two recording devices: bluetooth i2s and aic3218:49
javispedroer.. aic3418:49
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korhojoathis makes a nice looper18:50
korhojoajust set the volume right18:50
korhojoaand it'll be around forever18:50
javispedroyeah, don't do that18:50
javispedroit makes kittens cry18:50
korhojoawhat18:50
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DocScrutinizerthere's exactly one mic, and they seem to pretend it's on the mini hole lower left (in portrait) - though actually it senses thru the gap between the two device halves18:50
korhojoauniform noise makes kitteis cry?18:50
korhojoas/kitteis/kitties/18:50
infobotkorhojoa meant: uniform noise makes kitties cry?18:50
javispedro;)18:51
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korhojoai like the 250 ms delay it induces18:51
javispedrothe wonders of modern technology18:52
korhojoayou can now call yourself on your own phone18:52
korhojoawow, that's awesome18:52
javispedrothe fm tx is mostly useless18:52
* DocScrutinizer suggests arecord|aplay -- better configurability of such things like buffer size, thresholds etc pp18:52
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javispedrowithout a good external antenna conneted to the headphones plug18:53
DocScrutinizererr what?18:53
korhojoahuh18:54
korhojoamine works fine18:54
DocScrutinizerTX is a separate dedicated built in antenna afaik18:54
korhojoaeven with the default strenght18:54
javispedroany cable near the thing will improve signal...18:54
DocScrutinizeraah ok18:54
* javispedro can hear himself type in fm, with delay. spooky.18:55
DocScrutinizerthough I heard rumours about FM-TX disabled on hs-jackinsert18:55
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javispedroit is disabled, but by userspace. a single ioctl is enough to make it work again.18:55
DocScrutinizeryeah, of course18:55
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DocScrutinizerI even succeeded to create a FM OTA feedback loop ;-P18:56
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korhojoacan you transmit and recieve fm at the same time?18:57
DocScrutinizerthat's about all I got to know whether my FM-TX is working :-)18:57
korhojoathis would allow hands-free in cars easily18:57
javispedrotheoretically yes.18:57
javispedroyou cannot use the mic and fm-radio at the same time afaiu.18:57
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: even practically18:57
korhojoawhy not?18:57
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korhojoadoes it use the mic input as the antenna?18:57
javispedrono, the mixup is at the audio codec level. but I don't remember the exact details at the top of my head, so don't take my word on this.18:58
DocScrutinizermust be another userland limitation then18:58
javispedrowell, you have aic34 datasheet and rx-51 schematics :)18:59
DocScrutinizeryep18:59
DocScrutinizerhonestly too lazy to check right now. Audio is awful18:59
javispedroi did check a month or so ago18:59
javispedrofound that there's a fm -> speaker "analog bypass" and asked here why it was not used19:00
javispedroanswer: breaks speakers :)19:00
DocScrutinizerbtw I do *not* have AIC34 ds19:00
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javispedroiirc it's just two aic32 glued together or sth like that19:00
DocScrutinizeryep it's two of them19:01
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DocScrutinizeronly one is ''really used''19:01
DocScrutinizerthe other one just an amp or somesuch19:01
javispedrotlv320aic3x this is the exact model per alsa driver19:01
DocScrutinizerfor earpiece19:01
javispedrohey, if it not weren't for the poor range this works pretty well19:02
javispedros/not//19:03
infobotjavispedro meant: hey, if it  weren't for the poor range this works pretty well19:03
DocScrutinizerkaraoke?19:03
javispedrodelay might make it bad19:03
DocScrutinizeror what exactly?19:03
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javispedrodunno, just pointing that :)19:04
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what exactly is working pretty well?19:04
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javispedroI can put the thing on the contiguous room and listen19:05
javispedro:D19:05
javispedrovolume is okey19:06
DocScrutinizerwhat setup do you use to do that? fm-karaoke? or parec|paplay? or what?19:06
javispedropacat -r | pacat -p19:06
DocScrutinizeraah kk19:06
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wazdhello there people :)19:07
javispedrohello wazd19:07
DocScrutinizerhowdy19:07
wazdVlad has sent an e-mail to Quim if we can keep single n900 for OMW developement :)19:08
DocScrutinizererr what?19:08
* javispedro yawns over fm19:08
wazdDocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=4939819:08
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javispedroI am like a child with apair of new shoes, as we say :)19:09
DocScrutinizeryay, virulence multiplier19:09
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javispedroto be honest am I using the n900 as tx and pc as rx and the delay is like 0.5 sec19:10
javispedronot bad considering audio travels through TWO instances of pulseaudio :)19:10
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yuizy_how can i get root inside scratchbox?19:14
timeless_mbpyou don't19:14
timeless_mbpyou use 'fakeroot'19:14
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SpeedEvilIs there a netpbm or similar package anywhere?19:16
yuizy_ah, thanks19:17
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: aiui you're council?19:17
javispedroer... yes?19:17
supertrampplease - could you recommend cpu monitoring widget? not consuming too much resources?19:18
SpeedEvilsupertramp: the cpu-applet works well19:18
ShapeshifterTwo people got their HTC desires yesterday and were showing them off to me. The screen has very nice colors, much nicer the the n900 one. On the other hand, it's clearly less sharp and the fonts look fuzzy. But it's quite neat overall. well, for an android phone ;)19:18
Clicketywell19:18
Clicketyto be honest the whole physical design of the n900 looks pretty dated19:19
Clicketycompared to other phones on the market19:19
supertrampSpeedEvil: thx19:19
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Clicketyie. small screen compared to the device size, u cant really use the keyboard with headphones plugged in19:19
GAN900No N900 in the Linux mobile device slide. :(19:19
timeless_mbpClickety: perhaps because it was designed 3 years ago?19:19
Clicketyit has only been out for like 6 months though19:20
supertrampSpeedEvil: this one? cpumem-applet - Show CPU and memory usage in small status-area icon.19:20
ShapeshifterClickety: I agree the usb and phone jacks are two of the major things that annoy me.19:20
timeless_mbpyeah, but it wasn't designed yesterday!19:20
SpeedEvilsupertramp: load-applet even19:20
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SpeedEvilsupertramp: or that one19:20
supertrampok :)19:20
ShadowJKdesire's screen is probably the same strange thing as nexus19:20
Shapeshifteroverall, the one thing that annoys me most is that it's slow.19:21
ShapeshifterShadowJK: yep, identical.19:21
ShadowJKwhere you only have 800x480 green pixels, and less of red and blue19:21
ShapeshifterShadowJK: the colors are very sweet for looking at pictures, but for work/text it sucks.19:21
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: heyho19:23
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: hello chap.19:23
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: checked your alarmed app recently? Seems repo version has borked dependencies (I heard)19:24
Shapeshifteroh yes it has. pyside was built for pr1.2 and now it's impossible to install alarmed.19:25
DocScrutinizercrap!19:25
DocScrutinizer~lart pr1.2-autobuilder madness19:25
* infobot whacks pr1.2-autobuilder madness upside the head19:25
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ShapeshifterI can't imagine why they switched autobuilder to pr1.2 this early without releasing the update for the device.19:25
* MohammadAG has the old PySide debs19:26
DocScrutinizeractually it was a terribly poor decision19:26
Wolfiesomething to do with communication between left and right extremeties?19:26
Wolfieor the lack thereof19:26
MohammadAGShapeshifter, you made alarmed right?19:26
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: yes.19:26
slonopotamusShapeshifter: because they can? :)19:27
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, and you can change the control file to use old dependencies, right?19:27
GAN900Don't assume people are stupid. ;)19:27
* MohammadAG gets to the point19:27
* DocScrutinizer always thought *-devel and *.testing were for USERS who feel adventurous, NOT for devels to merely check their local build will work same as the autobuilder19:27
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: I can?! D: I didn't know. It was my first deb package ever.19:27
MohammadAGlol19:27
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, err yes, I was just trying to be a smartass :P19:27
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: let me see...19:28
MohammadAGlibart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16)19:28
MohammadAGexample ^19:28
MohammadAGchange the package name and version19:28
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javispedrois that really the issue?19:28
MohammadAG(assuming the old debs are there, if not, upload them)19:28
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GAN900Hacked up Jobs video in Zemlin's talk19:31
GAN900Jobs sure love adjectives19:32
javispedrowtf19:32
javispedroI open the linux foundation video only to see steve jobs talking19:32
javispedro*live video19:32
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MohammadAGXD19:32
MohammadAGjavispedro, he reinvented linux19:32
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javispedrofreeeeeedom. *yawns*19:33
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PhonicUKhey all19:33
GAN900javispedro, +119:33
PhonicUKanyone know if its possible to run a script when an active internet connection drops?19:34
timeless_mbpi believe so19:35
timeless_mbpi think the vpn stuff does19:35
zashif-down ?19:35
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DocScrutinizerwtf an idea of freedom has Steveboy Jobs?19:36
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* javispedro ponders if he tuned to an apple keynote19:36
zashPhonicUK: on random linux systems, /etc/network/if-down/19:36
javispedroah no, no blue over white slides19:36
javispedroer..19:37
javispedronothing.19:37
DocScrutinizerlink?19:37
DocScrutinizerthough... nevermind ;-P19:37
ptlPhonicUK: /etc/network/if-up.d and /etc/network/if-down.d19:37
ptlPhonicUK: look at the examples there19:37
* GAN900 thinks there's an Intel meeting on.19:38
ptlPhonicUK: you can also use dbus, it gets more details than these networkmanager scripts19:38
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ShapeshifterI'll never understand deb packaging, apt or why people think it's so effin great19:38
GAN900Every Intel person in the room just shot out the door.19:38
ptlwhat are you guys watching?19:38
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* javispedro fails to see GAN19:38
GAN900I'm waay in the back19:38
X-FadeSo, feed url known already?19:38
javispedroptl: linux foundation collaboration summit started19:38
lcukGAN900, where did they get their intel from?19:38
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GAN900with Texrat and dneary19:39
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, because it is :)19:39
Shapeshifterhttp://pastie.org/919615 so, it says something was automatically installed, and then it says that it will be newly installed?19:39
DocScrutinizerlol, ok please share a link - this seems to be funny19:39
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n900-dkAnyone seen something like 'Handy Profiles' on Symbian for maemo? An app that automatically switches profile..19:39
ptljavispedro: ok.. thanks. So I guess there's a really important presentation going on19:39
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Shapeshifterpyside-qt4-phonen -> automatically installed and no longer required...... following NEW packages will be installed: pyside-qt4-phonen19:39
MohammadAGShapeshifter, I take back what I said, wtf19:39
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ptlShapeshifter: different versions, maybe19:40
javispedrohttp://events.linuxfoundation.org/19:40
DocScrutinizerta19:40
GAN900javispedro, also: you suck for not being here.19:40
ptlthanks again, javispedro19:40
MohammadAGptl, a remove wouldn't upgrade19:40
X-FadeHmm register for a stream ;)19:40
GAN900javispedro, not enough Maemo people. :P19:40
javispedroGAN900: take  you all your N900s out and blind those intel guys!!19:40
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GAN900javispedro, only brought my RX-5119:41
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GAN900Really weird that Zemlin didn't put the N900 in his Linux smartphone slide.19:41
DocScrutinizerregister??? pffft19:42
javispedrohe had a strong enough reason: the n900 doesn't use RPM ;)19:42
GAN900lol19:42
GAN900Palm was up there19:42
GAN900Android19:42
petterinice attitude :D19:42
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: seems they fear to overload the broadcasting server -- I think there's like 120 slots, with only 33 filled so far.19:42
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG: http://pastie.org/919615 yeah. so it downloaded phonon and installed it, so that I was able to remove it with autoremove again.19:43
javispedroGAN900: ok, inexcusable.19:43
DocScrutinizerso f***it19:43
GAN900javispedro, yeah, weird.19:43
GAN900IBM guy has terrible slides19:43
X-FadeWFt, register twice even.19:43
MohammadAGthat was weird...19:44
GAN90010pt font, 500 words a slide. . . .19:44
GAN900Blue on black19:44
javispedroX-Fade: yeah. have your paypal account ready...19:44
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MohammadAGShapeshifter, fixed the control file?19:44
ShadowJKjavispedro, if only they knew of some company that had experience with internet and cameras. Maybe they could ask cisco ;D19:44
javispedro(it won't ask for it but you have to tell it you have one =) )19:44
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: no I'm still fiddling. I'm kinda slow19:44
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X-FadeDamn, really that is a lot of work to see a stream ;)19:45
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: lol19:45
DocScrutinizererr ShadowJK  ^^^19:45
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X-FadeLol, it is just ustream ;)19:46
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ShapeshifterFailed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/clutter/libclutter-1.0-0_1.0.8-0maemo1_armel.deb  Size mismatch19:46
MohammadAGlol19:46
javispedrouh19:46
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: so they can watch you watching your blank screen ? ;-P19:46
MohammadAGShapeshifter, don't bother, pyside was autocleaned19:46
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No, they broadcast through ustream,.19:46
MohammadAGWhy does the autocleaner run so soon!19:47
X-FadeShapeshifter: That one is my bad. Experiment on my part.19:47
MohammadAGShapeshifter, push the old 0.2.3 version into non-free19:48
MohammadAGX-Fade, did you check out what I PM'd you about?19:48
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MohammadAGoh nvm, thanks X-Fade19:48
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X-FadeOk, this talk is just ...19:50
lcukat ibm question time, ask if the linux kid got himself a job at ibm :D19:51
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: well I first need to find out which the last working versions were. And how do I push these into non-free? I think I'll just stick to my initial plan of waiting until they release pr1.2 instead of messing around now. Might even get around implementing some long awaited features instead of fiddling with this.19:51
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javispedrolcuk: haha, I remember that19:51
X-FadeMohammadAG: Please hang in there, we are working on a fix now. Filling non-free with crap is not the solution.19:52
javispedronote that we are talking about pyside here19:52
MohammadAGX-Fade, kk19:52
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lcukwheres the streaming vid for collsumm19:53
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: disaster with long term announcement?19:53
Shapeshiftermh. where doe maemo keep the downloaded debs?19:53
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No, actually pretty sane solution.19:53
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GAN900Shapeshifter, apt or h-a-m19:54
ShapeshifterGAN900: both19:54
MohammadAGShapeshifter, /var/cache/apt/archives for apt19:54
MohammadAGHAM discards them19:54
Shapeshifterhuh.19:55
MohammadAG(but while installing they're kept in /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-cache-archives19:55
MohammadAGor something similar, lemme check19:55
Shapeshifterwho would do such a thing. discarding old packages....19:55
ShapeshifterMohammadAG: yeah they're there19:55
Shapeshifterhow daft.19:55
MohammadAGthe folder in MyDocs is discarded at each installation19:55
MohammadAGthat's why I opted not to use HAM19:55
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pupnikanybody got an on-device sdk19:58
* DocScrutinizer wonders how modest can dare to create BS .modest/ folder on *micro-SD* ?!19:58
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jacekowski1.2 relased?19:59
DocScrutinizerhuh?19:59
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petteridon't think so19:59
javispedroDocScrutinizer: kill him!19:59
frosty`wait, what? 1.2? WHERE?19:59
frosty`grumble.19:59
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cehtehhaha19:59
frosty`MohammadAG: see.19:59
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: beware of autokicker ;-P19:59
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MohammadAGfrosty`, ?20:00
cehtehhow to ddos the nokia servers? .. just say 1.2 released in this channel and 558 Drones start polling the server :P20:00
frosty`MohammadAG: need the bot to reply to 1.2 stuff, otherwise I have to20:00
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what autokicker? :P20:00
* MohammadAG waits for one20:01
DocScrutinizercehteh: <556 !20:01
jacekowskii've spent whole day trying to debug why chrome has letters in uppercase20:01
cehteh:P20:01
jacekowskibut it looks like keykodes sent to it are correct20:01
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autokickerok im here MohammadAG20:01
MohammadAGPR1.220:01
MohammadAG:)20:01
* autokicker kicks MohammadAG in the shins20:01
jacekowskiPR1.2?20:02
petterii don't have that uppercase bug20:02
jacekowskiis it here?20:02
ShapeshifterPR1.3?20:02
petteriwith chrome20:02
MohammadAGjacekowski, no just waiting for the autokicker to kick into action20:02
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jacekowskipetteri: in text fields and etc?20:02
MohammadAGit kicked itself :P20:02
frosty`lol20:02
jacekowskipetteri: have you fiddled with hildon-input-methods?20:02
petterijacekowski: let me check one more time20:02
* ptl refreshes just in case20:02
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jacekowskipetteri: go to google and type something in search box20:03
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ptlwow20:04
jacekowskiwow?20:04
ptlif you google PR1.2, all links about maemo20:04
DocScrutinizer/kick $USER20:04
jacekowski1.2 relased?20:04
ptlno20:04
ptlnoooo20:04
ptlPR1.2 not released20:04
DocScrutinizer/kick $USER20:04
petterijacekowski: sorry. I do now have the bug. I have a vague feeling that i did not have it  couple of days ago since i managed to log in to gmail20:05
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javispedroMohammadAG: a question. why does the extras pyside package fail to install on a device?20:05
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MohammadAGjavispedro, sec20:05
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MohammadAGjavispedro,20:06
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MohammadAG pyside-qt4-core: Depends: libpyside0 but it is not going to be installed20:06
MohammadAG                   Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224) but 4.5.3~git200920:06
MohammadAG0723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed20:06
Shapeshifteruhm I heard something about rootsh not being the "right" method anymore for gaining root?20:06
MohammadAGShapeshifter, just use it :)20:07
MohammadAGif it's for an app add a .sudoers file then update-sudoers20:07
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: huh?20:08
* javispedro ponders something20:08
javispedrowhere did I get pyside 0.2.3-1maemo3 from?20:09
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MohammadAGjavispedro, me?20:09
javispedroimpossible20:09
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MohammadAGit was in the repos20:09
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javispedroah, you uploaded it to nonfree?20:09
MohammadAGno20:09
MohammadAGthe old one was in the repos20:09
MohammadAGbut I had it cached20:10
MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip20:10
javispedrohttp://maemo.org/packages/view/pyside-qt4-core/20:10
javispedronote current version, 0.3.0-1maemo320:10
javispedroerrr20:10
javispedronote current version, 0.3.0-1maemo220:10
MohammadAGOld version cleaned by repository management20:10
javispedroah.20:10
lizardoguys , I said yesterday, but in case anyone listened: it is very possible to install libqt4* packages from the PR1.2 SDK repositories by adding the repository to the N900 sources.list (and upgrading *only* libqt4* packages... very hachish, but worked for me :)20:10
DocScrutinizer/kick $USER20:10
MohammadAGjavispedro, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/20:11
lizardoat least for PySide20:11
javispedroMohammadAG: touché, going to have a headache.20:11
MohammadAGit's in there20:11
MohammadAGit wasn't cleaned :D20:11
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frosty`lol DocScrutinizer20:11
MohammadAGhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pyside-qt4-core/0.2.3-1maemo3/ armel20:11
* MohammadAG pings javispedro 20:12
javispedroyes yes, I was just having a mental confusion here20:12
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GAN900Loooooong IBM talk20:14
* DocScrutinizer disables autokicker, before crashanddie decides to kick DocScrutinizer20:14
MohammadAGPR1.220:14
DocScrutinizer/kick $USER20:14
javispedroGAN900: I hope you brought enough N900s.20:14
MohammadAGdamn20:14
* X-Fade thinks of that large hook you always see in cartoons with stage performances ;)20:14
GAN900javispedro, just the one.20:14
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GAN900X-Fade, lol20:14
javispedroGAN900: battery won't last through the morning. you'll have to steal texrat's not to die of boredom20:15
GAN900javispedro, stole the battery from my 5800!20:15
GAN900Twice the power, twice the fun.20:15
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javispedrosurvival!20:15
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MohammadAG /me is so tired he could fix a bug20:16
MohammadAGfail20:16
GAN900Texrat's a stylus screen poker. :/20:16
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n900-dkI really cant believe that anyone didn't make an automatically profile switcher app already...20:17
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MohammadAGn900-dk, silencer20:17
MohammadAGhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/silencer/20:17
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n900-dkMohammadAG: But it can only switch between 'silent' and 'general'20:18
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MohammadAGaren't those the only profiles?20:18
Shapeshiftern900-dk: Alarmed can do that. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=610524#post61052420:18
Shapeshiftern900-dk: and it supports tweakr profiles20:18
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n900-dkMohammadAG: Yeah, but I made my only with tweakr20:19
javispedrobuah, they cut the video.20:19
X-Fadecoffee break.20:19
javispedroI pad $0 for this!! they could put some james bond movie for the break.20:19
X-FadeToo bad, I wanted to ask GAN900 to step up front and do a little dance ;)20:20
* MohammadAG wonders why there are 2 users watching him on bugs.maemo.org20:20
* nid0 likes to stalk bugtracker users!20:20
javispedrothey're called "keepers": whenever you reach certain level of bugs karma they attach one to you20:20
n900-dkShapeshifter: Thx, maybe alarmed could also watch calendar for meetings, and automatically change profile on these events too20:20
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lcukX-Fade, still get him dancing20:21
lcukyou have n900s - use em20:21
* MohammadAG likes the liqflow app20:22
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jacekowskiX-Fade: i found one issue with autobuilder - it's impossible to submit same version for different architecture20:28
X-Fadejacekowski: That is intended behaviour.20:29
lcukjacekowski, thats ocmmon sense20:29
lcukcommon20:29
jacekowskiwell20:29
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jacekowskiif i send package with architecture any it will build them for both archs20:30
jacekowskiand i'll have armel and i386 with same version20:30
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jacekowskibut if i send armel and while later i386 it will have to be sent with different version20:30
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paulk_Hello ! I've got a question : Is it possible to buy a Nokia N900 on a store in france ?20:31
jacekowskii think so20:32
paulk_Is someone french here ?20:32
jacekowskii've been in france 3 weeks ago for a week20:33
jacekowskiso i'm almost like a french20:33
toresbepaulk_: You would have to ask for a Nokia Nneufcents20:33
toresbeapart from that I think you're set20:33
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MohammadAGI take french at school, can't say I'm very good at it though20:33
jacekowskii can say 'merde'20:34
paulk_It's not the problem : I'd just like to know if someone has already buy a N900 in france20:34
paulk_jacekowski: great!20:34
jacekowskia lot of people20:34
jacekowski(i've seen lot of people from france downloading chrome from my server)20:34
paulk_Des français ici ?20:34
jacekowskienglish20:35
jacekowskiand wow20:35
jacekowskihe has working unicode20:35
paulk_Ok, so if a french guy could help me, tell me so20:36
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Shapeshifterpaulk_: http://www.expansys.fr/s.aspx?search=n900&x=0&y=020:37
Treibholzhmm, I have a mouse-cursor again!20:37
Treibholzhow do I get rid of it?20:37
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paulk_Shapeshifter: ok, is it the only way to buy it ? (500€, it's too much). I'd like to buy it with a subscription20:39
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n900-dkShapeshifter: Looks like something is wrong with the file pyside.zip20:39
Shapeshifterpaulk_: don't know about subscriptions but why don't you just check out the mobile provider pages20:39
n900-dkerror [pyside.zip]:  missing 364896 bytes in zipfile20:40
dssterDamn it, i ordered my n900 on friday and he just shipped it on wednesday at 9pm! Don't they understand how important this is?20:40
Shapeshiftern900-dk: I know, I already replaced the link20:40
Shapeshiftern900-dk: try the new link (same post)20:40
paulk_Shapeshifter: I didn't found anything on the mobile provider pages. And I visited all the stores is my city. No N900.20:40
n900-dkahh damn, the post was updated in the meantime, thx :)20:40
paulk_in my city*20:40
Treibholzjacekowski: what's the URL of your chrome-package?20:41
jacekowskiit's gone20:42
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Treibholzoh...20:42
jacekowskii moved in into extras-devel repo20:42
jacekowskiit*20:42
Treibholzdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free ?20:43
Treibholzcan't find it with apt-cache search...20:43
X-FadeOh, sound on the stream :)20:43
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Treibholzahh, chromium, not chrome20:44
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dssterCan you turn a n900 into a temporary music bridge?20:47
Treibholzyes, with an internet-radio and the fm-transmitter!20:47
GAN900X-Fade, the LF police will get me.20:48
dssterno i mean like play a move on a pc and broadcast sound to amplifier trhough the n900 realtime20:48
javispedrostreaming server overloading!!20:48
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X-FadeNah, crappy hotel internet ;)20:49
jacekowskidsster: PA can do that trick20:49
dssteri would need a sound driver on desktop compatible with software on the n900 to act as a music bride20:49
dssterPA?20:49
jacekowskipulseaudio20:49
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dssterOh ok20:49
* GAN900 was downloading the Fennec update.20:50
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n900-dkShapeshifter:  pyside-qt4-base depends on libboost-python1.38.0 (>= 1.38.0-1)20:50
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dssterI guess I will have to play around with it when i get it20:50
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* GAN900 had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex)20:51
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javispedropaulk_: weren't you asking for somebody from France?20:52
KhertanHeya !20:52
paulk_javispedro: exactly :)20:53
lcukX-Fade, so where are you on hotel network!20:53
Shapeshiftern900-dk: oh dear20:53
javispedropaulk_, Khertan: :)20:53
n900-dkShapeshifter: well, apt-get -f install solved it :)20:53
Khertansomebody from france <- i m french20:53
Shapeshiftern900-dk: ah brilliant20:53
X-Fadelcuk: not me, but the stream probably gets out from there.20:53
paulk_Khertan: okay, on peux PM ?20:53
Khertanbut didn t follow the subject just arrived :)20:53
Khertanyep pas de soucis20:53
Khertanpar contre je suis dans le rer ca risque de deco :)20:54
Shapeshifteril'y'a des legumes sur le photo.20:54
lcukit looks like the cloud is not working too well20:55
lcukmore like a rusty tap20:55
* GAN900 had a nice chat with Quim, Roland, Henri, Randall and Dimmitri (Transifex)20:55
lcukdeja vu?20:55
GAN900erm20:56
javispedroGAN900 is restarting...20:56
lcukGAN00120:56
GAN900Holy Shit, Fennec actually has non-broken zoomed kerning20:56
GAN900What what my non-send-history contribution was.20:56
GAN900(up key is too close to enter)20:56
lcukgah downloading images while trying to stream fails20:57
n900-dkShapeshifter: Would it be possible to make an 'switch profile'-event triggered by a string in topic of a calendar event?20:58
Khertan~ping20:58
infobot~pong20:58
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Shapeshiftern900-dk: maybe, I don't really have the time for looking into it. If I find a minute I'll implement a couple of the "future features" listed on in the first post. what you're suggesting sounds clever but is rather demanding because it would base on more then just the alarmd daemon.21:00
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n900-dkShapeshifter: It would be really nice for meetings and stuff like that21:01
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Shapeshifteryeah I can imagine that21:02
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n900-dkIt's a great app, thanks for making it and telling :)21:03
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Shapeshiftern900-dk: thanks21:04
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DocScrutinizeranyway it's a calendar addon, not exactly an alarmed genuine task21:12
Shapeshiftertrue, it doesn't have anything to do with alarmd.21:13
MohammadAGX-Fade, is the autobuilder down?21:13
X-FadeMohammadAG: no21:13
* MohammadAG wonders why there are no errors and it failed21:14
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: and we don't really want to go down the road of iPhone, to implement everything function-wise into everything app-wise, no? ;-P21:14
Treibholzyeah! I found out where my Mousecursor came from and how to get rid of it! :-)21:15
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: that's true. again a shame that the stupid nokia apps aren't open source21:15
DocScrutinizeryep21:15
Shapeshifterby now they would all be awesome21:15
X-FadeMohammadAG: Check your debian/control file. Is that all ok?21:15
MohammadAGDidn't change anything21:16
Shapeshifterseriously, with some community help forked versions of the calendar, image viewer, file browser, and most importantly modest would be spectacular by now.21:16
MohammadAGI'll check though21:16
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DocScrutinizeralas Nokia decided to 'differentiate' - to the inferior side ;-P21:16
TreibholzI checked out my .MyConfigs from svn, ran 'make symlinks' and had ~.icons, with my normal mousecursor.21:16
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* MohammadAG thinks he found the problem21:16
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n900-dkDocScrutinizer: It is fine by me, if it could be in another app, I'm just missing the task, that I was used to on S60 by the 'Handy Profiles' app21:16
MohammadAGKhertan, ping21:16
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DocScrutinizern900-dk: well understood, mate :-)21:18
n900-dkNow I'm just disturbing the meetings :)21:18
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javispedroJaffa: there?21:21
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Khertan2back21:22
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Khertan2connection drop21:22
lcuk"cut out your backend"21:22
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lcuki suppose that may release a cloud21:23
Khertan2MohammaAG: you ping me ?21:23
Khertan2lcuk: lol21:23
Khertan2i should also ask to the train to not thru tunnels21:23
Khertan2:)21:23
Khertan2~ping21:24
infobot~pong21:24
MohammadAGKhertan2, yeah, thought of something for pypackager21:24
MohammadAGI added to n21:24
MohammadAG:/21:24
Khertan2yep ?21:24
MohammadAGsec21:24
MohammadAGadded two \n-s21:25
MohammadAG\n\n21:25
Khertan2(hurry there is an other tunnels in 3 min :) or email me at khertan@khertan.net)21:25
MohammadAGSo it resulted in an empty line in the description21:25
MohammadAGwhich made the build fail21:25
Khertan2hum strange21:25
Khertan2i should look into the code21:25
MohammadAGso I was thinking maybe you could make it echo a . into there where there's an empty line21:25
MohammadAGtwo \n s21:26
MohammadAG\n\n21:26
MohammadAGfixed by using \n.\n21:26
Khertan2:)21:26
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MohammadAGX-Fade, one more question, it doesn't seem to send emails now21:26
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MohammadAGPackage-name OK/FAILED21:26
X-FadeMohammadAG: To you or the list?21:27
Khertan2To all PyGTKEditor users if you want to use the last version it s available on my own repository only21:27
MohammadAGto my email address21:27
X-FadeMohammadAG: I see it on the list at least.21:27
Khertan2now more on extras21:27
MohammadAGyes it's on the list21:27
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Khertan2the link in maemo.org/download21:28
Khertan2point to my repository21:28
konttoriKhertan2: good idea (to host it yourself)21:28
* javispedro wonders what he's doing watching some people talk about SaaS21:28
Khertan2but upgrade will not work with ham as ham ignore package from other repository if there are in ham21:28
FlavioFerreiraBRsomeone have been problems with Xb-Maemo-Icon-26 at Debian package creation ?21:28
FlavioFerreiraBRin control file21:29
konttoriI like it much more than people delivering content to actual end users through extras-devel (which is the only other sane option)21:29
Khertan2konttori : i m not sure21:30
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MohammadAGFlavioFerreiraBR, nope21:31
GAN900javispedro, I dunno, I'm sitting here watching Texrat tap out twits with his stylus. :P21:31
Khertan2hum but currently there is so few dowload and connection to my repository that i m not sure21:31
MohammadAGadd a space before each line21:31
Khertan2really21:31
fralsGAN900: hehe, bet he enjoyed the deb-vs-rpm on twitter21:31
frals;D21:32
RST38hmooo khertan21:32
X-Fadefrals: trol :)21:32
Khertan2hi RST38h21:32
fralsX-Fade: wasnt me! honest! :D21:32
X-Fadefrals: suuuuure :)21:32
GAN900Sockpuppets21:32
javispedro231 Watt, 134 bpm, 90 rpm.21:32
X-Fadedh7 is the answer!21:33
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lcukKhertan2, did you actually work out what happens if someone adopts pygtkeditor and puts it in extras(-devel|testing) ?21:33
javispedrobang! first kill21:33
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FlavioFerreiraBRMohammadAG, i did it21:33
MohammadAGlcuk, the maintainer gets changed21:33
mecejavispedro, what are you killing?21:34
FlavioFerreiraBRMohammadAG, but the result was :21:34
FlavioFerreiraBRMohammadAG, dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Xb-Maemo-Icon-26' in input data in package's section of control info file21:34
javispedroflies21:34
mece:D21:34
Khertan2lcuk : nope21:34
MohammadAGFlavioFerreiraBR, ignore it21:34
lcukyeah MohammadAG but what happens to maemo downloads page21:34
X-FadeFlavioFerreiraBR: Warning, not error.21:34
meceFlavioFerreiraBR, that's ok. Still works21:34
MohammadAGlcuk, yes the maintainer gets changed21:34
meceLOL21:34
Khertan2lcuk : and package are still not remove from extras21:34
X-FadeKhertan2: We have people wanting to take over maintainership.21:34
lcukpeople are still using it!21:35
MohammadAGlcuk, http://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver21:35
X-FadeKhertan2: So that is why I'm waiting.21:35
MohammadAGI didn't mean for it to be replaced with my name21:35
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Khertan2X-Fade : ? huh ? who ?21:35
MohammadAGproof is that I requested to be a maintainer21:35
javispedroGAN900: did Texrat just write "interesting talk"?21:35
MohammadAGPending maintainer requests:21:35
MohammadAGMohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh21:35
MohammadAGno response though21:35
FlavioFerreiraBRmece, X-Fade , MohammadAG : yes. Still works , but the icon dont shows at app manages uninstalation21:36
[DarkGUNMAN]evening all!21:36
GAN900javispedro, where?21:36
javispedrotweeeeter21:36
GAN900javispedro, twitter?21:36
GAN900Dunno21:36
MohammadAGFlavioFerreiraBR, did you install the new version? (it happens :P)21:36
javispedroit was a rhetorical question :) he did21:36
[DarkGUNMAN]anyone here know how to compile on their N900?21:36
GAN900javispedro, ah. :P21:36
MohammadAG[DarkGUNMAN], ssh + scratchbox on a PC21:36
FlavioFerreiraBRMohammadAG, yes.21:37
lcukdoes open cloud == open data == no21:37
javispedroQUESTION:21:37
lcuklol21:37
javispedro#info21:37
lcukmaybe we should be on meego-questions21:37
lcuk#undo21:37
lcuk#undo21:37
lcuk#undo21:37
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DrGrovWhy does it seem like the default repositories are not having anything new in them?21:38
DrGrovPerhaps I have to change something?21:39
mecethis channel seems unusually bizarre today. Is everyone drunk?21:39
DrGrovi'm sober21:40
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GAN900Not yet!21:40
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lcukmece? wont turn down free beer tho21:40
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fralsi think we are still recovering from the math mayhem earlier21:40
GAN900Open bar tonight, though!21:40
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javispedrothat's #info indeed!21:40
X-FadeGAN900: Send some our way! :)21:40
fralsi should be drunk, i got results from my last exam today which i passed \o/21:40
* mece cheers frals on21:40
X-FadeAfter days of build insanity, I should be drunk too ;)21:40
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lcukopen bar sells wine personally made from scratch by rms21:40
fralsX-Fade: :D21:40
javispedroheehee21:40
lcukhe took his sandles off and squashed the grapes himself21:41
RST38hlcuk: is it safe?21:41
GAN900javispedro, Texrat wants me to hit you with a trout.21:41
GAN900lcuk, ohgod21:41
javispedromust be that I'm sleepy today21:42
* GAN900 will get the beer, then.21:42
* X-Fade refreshes -developers21:42
* X-Fade refreshes -developers again21:42
X-FadeLazy javispedro ;)21:42
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fralsthis is pretty interesting, when i introduce an error in my program, the osso_abook_contact_chooser gets the list of contacts everytime...21:42
RST38hdevelopers developers developers21:43
fralseven thou the code i add isnt even executed until the app terminates21:43
* RST38h throws a stool21:43
Shapeshifterthat's significantly better then throwing stool21:45
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* javispedro wishes for a .deb suicide questioner 21:47
GAN900javispedro, wait for Ari's talk. :P21:47
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javispedroHour and half?21:50
javispedroah, I see.21:51
X-FadeLong lunch break :)21:51
lcuktakes longer to eat whilst collaborating21:51
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lcukwhich is reasonable :)21:51
javispedrobah, you should be used to 5 minute lunch breaks already21:51
javispedroall while sketching the future21:51
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lcuklucky if i get 5mins21:51
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javispedrothat's the spirit :)21:51
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konttoriany good idea how to create efficient gtk iconview for bigger lists21:54
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mamalmqvping!21:54
mamalmqvI'm trying to build Qt for maemo, but I'm getting this error: /scratchbox/compilers/host-gcc/bin/ld: cannot find -lbootstrap21:55
mamalmqvit worked the other day, but not since I pulled the latest source21:55
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lcukkonttori, how big - sort of numbers21:55
lcuk10s 100s 1000s ?21:55
konttori1000s only, but iconview sucks even on that small lists21:56
mamalmqvcan anyone say if it's likely to be due to my environment/config, or the new source code?21:56
konttoribecause by default, it requires pixbufs for all icons.21:56
KhertanLol i can't enter in my house as my wife close the door from inside with key on the lock and go out by the garage door but i can use my wifi :)21:56
konttori(in advance)  - you cannot provide it with a renderer function like the listviews allow.21:56
lcukkonttori, custom renderer21:57
lcukfor whole list then21:57
lcukbut then you have to deal with caching anyway21:57
konttoriso, no iconview at all?21:57
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lcukwell you just said you tried it21:57
konttoriI have caching sorted out already for the list solution21:57
GAN900Texrat, yo!21:57
fralso/ Texrat21:58
KhertanQt question : does there is component to access to the maemo 5 calendar content ?21:58
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* Texrat slaps everyone with large catfish21:58
TreibholzKhertan: sqlite21:58
Khertanan QtEvolution ?21:58
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javispedroX-Fade: our cloaaaaaaaaaaaks ;P21:58
TreibholzKhertan: the Calender has nothing to do with evolution21:58
KhertanTreibbholz : oh task and event are stored in a simple sqlite ?21:59
TreibholzKhertan: yes.21:59
X-FadeAh yes, let me do that now.21:59
KhertanTreibbholz oh i think ... good news21:59
konttoriKhertan: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb21:59
TreibholzKhertan: .calendar/calendardb21:59
lcukkonttori, your other window21:59
* Treibholz is currently playing around with it for CalDAV-sync21:59
konttoriit's the only sane way to do it. Just open it with the qt sqlite lib.21:59
Khertanthx a lot !21:59
Khertan(i ll do my on task ui as i found the nokia one useless for my use)22:00
Khertans/on/own22:00
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Khertanand it ll be an excuse to lean qt with python22:01
konttoriSounds like a good excuse.22:01
Khertan:)22:01
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konttoriI'm having an excuse to write a media consumer player atm on gtk to deepen understanding of gtk before I move along to qt world.22:01
javispedroheh22:01
Khertanmy ui is already working in gtk ... but :) hey !22:02
Khertan:)22:02
konttorias I pointed out earlier, atm, I am hating iconview.22:02
Khertan:)22:02
Khertanother question there is no way to show file extension too in qt file dialog ?22:03
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unikscmhello~22:05
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unikscmplz melp me..22:05
unikscmi have a problem..22:05
unikscmi use maemo5 SDK22:05
unikscmmaemo@maemo-desktop:~$ /scratchbox/login after22:06
unikscm[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot apt-get install python2.5 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-dev libidl-dev  <===== this command22:06
unikscmqemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting <========== i met this error..22:07
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unikscmwhat's problem~??22:07
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MohammadAGmatchers.cc:4293: warning: 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher' has a field 'aptitude::matching::pkg_const_matcher::<anonymous>' whose type uses the anonymous namespace22:14
MohammadAGany ideas?22:14
Shapeshifterbtw, does anyone else have brighter spots on the screen? very noticable when looking at a white screen (e.g. loading page)22:15
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ShapeshifterI have four scattered accross the right side of the screen22:15
X-Fadecouncilmen, you should get your cloaks now.22:16
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PhonicUKhey all22:20
noobmonk3yhey hey22:20
Aranel_heard that it is now possible to use animated/live wallpapers on Maemo 5 desktop? Anybody know how?22:20
trumeeguys, is it possible to disable vibration for IM but have them enabled for phone calls?22:20
X-FadeAranel_: With PR1.2 you are able to do that, yes.22:20
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noobmonk3yX-Fade, he is now gonna ask you where to get PR1.2 ;)22:21
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X-FadeAranel_: Check the live-wallpaper package in extras-devel as an example.22:21
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Aranel_nope, you re wrong noobmonk3y :) I know its not out yet.22:21
X-Fadenoobmonk3y: Should work in SDK too :)22:21
noobmonk3yhehehe22:21
* noobmonk3y doesnt use the SDK :(22:22
X-Fadevlad is doing something cool with it at least.22:22
noobmonk3yyeah it does look good :D22:22
X-FadeRight now it became night on my desktop ;)22:22
* lcuk looks at noobmonk3y sideways22:22
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Aranel_X-Fade: hmm. I saw this: http://www.maxicep.com/nokia-maemo-uygulama/n900-canli-hareketli-duvar-kagidi-336854.html22:23
X-FadeAnd the tram crosses the screen underneath my icons ;)22:23
Aranel_X-Fade: do you know if its commercial or  free?22:23
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* MohammadAG looks at the broken live-wallpaper package on his PR1.1.1 device22:23
* noobmonk3y tilts his head straight22:23
lcukMohammadAG, tell me whats actually broken with it22:23
X-FadeAranel_: That is live-wallpaper, which is free.22:23
Aranel_Thanks ^^22:23
MohammadAGlcuk, when the background blurs (status menu and the like) the actual background is shown (in my case, water1)22:24
X-FadeMohammadAG: It has some issues with the background on PR1.2 too.22:24
X-FadeSome redraw/damage issues it seems.22:24
* MohammadAG fires up the SDK GUI to check22:24
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X-FadeEspecially under the calendar widget it seems.22:25
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MohammadAGX-Fade, same with the facebook widget here22:25
MohammadAGX-Fade, is it only shown on one desktop?22:26
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes, although the moving cloud goes a bit to the left and right desktop too.22:26
MohammadAGbut not all 422:26
X-FadeSo it should be possible to write on more desktops.22:26
MohammadAGok so these aren't PR1.1.1. issues22:27
MohammadAGPR1.1.1*22:27
X-FadeNo, probably just coded that way.22:27
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X-FadeMohammadAG: You should even be able to use video.22:29
MohammadAGX-Fade, err, how di I enable it?22:29
MohammadAGdo*22:29
X-Fadeadd widget22:29
MohammadAGWhen I installed it on my device it got auto enabled22:29
MohammadAGoh22:29
fralsthat live-wallpaper looks pretty cool22:29
MohammadAGoh it uses the time too22:29
MohammadAGnice!22:29
X-Fadefrals: adapts to clock too.22:29
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fralsyeah :)22:30
* SpeedEvil plays with his not-quite-live wallpaper package.22:30
MohammadAGthere's a settings part for the widget, never noticed that22:30
SpeedEvilcommand-line-widget + wget + gconf to set the background22:30
X-FadeMohammadAG: New since 0.2, I think ;)22:30
X-FadeI actually tested the PR1.2 dependency generation with that app on the test builder ;)22:31
MohammadAGX-Fade, swipe the desktop slowly to the right (move to the left hand desktop)22:31
MohammadAGyou'll see the train without the background22:31
fralswould be pretty cool to get a postal worker on your homescreen walking about when you get a new mail22:31
X-FadeMohammadAG: Same for the cloud.22:32
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MohammadAGyeah22:33
MohammadAGI thought it was only broken for PR1.1.122:33
X-FadeNo, I guess that is just the way the widget is coded. Not really a limitation or bug in the desktop.22:34
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Gh0styvoila22:36
Gh0stymy force recharge cable for my n900 is built :)22:36
Gh0stysome soldering fun :P22:36
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FredrIQhm22:37
* RST38h wants sheep22:37
* RST38h really wants sheep22:37
FredrIQis there no SDK for windows?22:37
MohammadAGthere's'a virtual machine image22:38
MohammadAGbut no, no native SDK22:38
FredrIQif not, i will download and install wubi as tmp solution until i feel like buy a microSD22:38
FredrIQhm22:38
FredrIQok22:38
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RST38hCan we have desktop sheep please? =)22:39
lcuk:) RST38h22:39
lcuktheres lots of things which this opens up22:39
noobmonk3yoooo22:40
noobmonk3ydesktop sheep!22:40
noobmonk3yi want a desktop monkey butler!22:40
Shapeshiftermhh. this live-wallpaper is cute22:40
* RST38h is dead serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep22:40
Shapeshifterwonder how much more battery it will eat22:40
* noobmonk3y was serious too!22:40
lcukShapeshifter, does it matter when sat at home22:40
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noobmonk3yShapeshifter, monkey butlers don't eat batteries, they eat bannanas!! :D22:40
lcuki think sensible would be power option22:40
lcuk[full,whencharging,restricted,slow]]22:41
X-FadeShapeshifter: Stops when not on top.22:41
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X-FadeAnd my guess is that you don't sit and watch your desktop for hours on end.22:41
fralsRST38h: ESheep is awesome22:41
lcukX-Fade, some do!22:41
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lcuklive feeds trickling in22:42
ShapeshifterX-Fade: :)22:42
lcuknext to your big pooter22:42
SpeedEvilX-Fade: or a webcam of the real world22:42
lcukentirely practical tbh :)22:42
lcuknow you are going to far SpeedEvil22:42
lcukthats cgi22:42
meceI'm on an 80ies B-movie spree. Should I go Fantasy, Post-apoc or Ninja today?22:44
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meceerr.. meant to tweet that.22:44
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RST38hjavispedro: here?22:45
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opdf2are there any real high capacity batteries out yet for n900?22:46
nid0mugen do one22:46
nid0and it makes your device go from big to brick22:47
opdf2oh besides the fatty22:47
X-Fadeopdf2: Just buy 2?22:48
fluxit's only a couple millimeters thicker than nokia 9500 ;)22:49
luke-jrX-Fade: then charging the backup is inconvenient?22:49
luke-jrand you can't swap it without a reboot22:49
nid0just buy a powermonkey, so much easier solution22:49
X-Fadeluke-jr: Big deal?22:49
luke-jrunless you have AC and don't need it in the first place22:49
* RST38h notices how n900 makes people carry power supplies with them22:50
X-FadeWhen I go away and don't have power for a while the batteries suffice. And then when I have AC, I just charge them?22:50
RST38hWill the wall wart become a fashion accessory eventually? =)22:50
X-Fade*cough* Or put them in another N900 to charge. *cough* ;)22:50
SceltX-Fade: ipad deal?22:51
Aranel_X-Fade: cannot install Live Wallpaper. libhildon1 missing.22:51
X-FadeAranel_: Only possible on PR1.2 SDK or device.22:51
Aranel_since PR1.2 is not out yet, its only possible on SDK?22:52
X-FadeAranel_: Yes.22:52
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opdf2X-Fade:  maybe i'll do that. i already carry the usb cable around everywhere22:53
Aranel_ok :)22:53
X-FadeBut it looks and behaves the same in the SDK.22:53
opdf2sooo any reputable shops with legit genuine BL-5J?22:53
opdf2i dont want fake stuff22:54
Sceltopdf2: dealextreme.com22:54
* MohammadAG needs 10 BL-5Js22:54
X-FadeScelt: That is the fake stuff.22:54
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SceltX-Fade: sure, if you say so22:54
X-FadeBuy one and find out how bad they are ;)22:55
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Sceltjust as bad as nokia batteries are22:56
X-FadeNo, far less capacity.22:56
MyrttiX-Fade: was thinking of using my wiki admin rights again...22:56
X-FadeMyrtti: Sounds scary.22:56
SceltX-Fade: what you are talking about now? they are genuine nokia batteries. I'm not meaning those 2 $ shit22:56
MyrttiX-Fade: I did last weekend, revert and ban.22:56
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X-FadeScelt: Those $2 ones are just scary.22:57
SceltX-Fade: I know. That's why I'm talking about genuine nokia batteries22:57
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Sceltopdf2: X-Fade: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ErPFQbezzhsJ:www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444+dealextreme+bl-5j&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera23:00
KhertanRST38h i suse a samsung n130 as power supply it s a quite good power supply23:00
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flashnhow do I bootstrap a nice core/bin-utils environment?23:00
opdf2Scelt:  you've bought this from dx?23:01
Sceltopdf2: not this particular battery but different genuine nokia batteries yes23:01
MohammadAGKhertan, got some questions, do you have some time to help?23:02
opdf2hmm i'll consider this cuz in know dx has one of the cheapest prices around. i do know the shipping takes forever but im okay with that23:02
RST38hSomebody should really hurt the D-THEME guy23:02
Myrttimeh, dneary isn't online23:02
Sceltopdf2: the price is close enough to be worth of genuine battery. shipping to Finland takes around 10 work days23:02
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opdf2Scelt:  cool ty23:03
Khertan16$ is close ?23:03
Sceltopdf2: np pal. happy shopping :)23:03
SceltKhertan: _enough_23:03
Khertanouch it s 45 Euro in france23:03
Khertanmore arround 55 $23:03
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Scelt36 euros in Finland23:04
X-FadeCharge $100 for it, then it will be even better ;)23:04
* DocScrutinizer back from dinner, now Palin on news makes me barf it back up23:05
Khertan36 Euros + french tva + french other tax ... yep so same price than in finland just too highly priced due to tax23:05
SceltX-Fade: I doubt they are bothering to fake those. Too much trouble to copy all those hologram stickers etc.23:05
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KhertanScelt: hum there is some really nice done nokia battery copy23:06
DocScrutinizerScelt: faking holos? Those been invented in China ;-P23:06
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X-FadeScelt: No, had nicely faked hologram ones in my hands.23:06
nid0Scelt: there are plenty of fake batteries that're hologrammed and printed exactly the same as genuine nokias23:07
SceltBlaah. etc there. The original package and all. If it's fake, then be. All those batteries sold in Nokia.com are from the China too, and done in same factories.23:08
SceltWelcome to world of globalism23:08
X-FadeScelt: I had one in nice looking original package, with holos.23:08
Sceltas I said, done in same factories. Maybe in night shift23:08
X-Fade800mAh at best.23:08
GAN900X-Fade, cool!23:09
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X-FadeOnly Jaffa is a slacker.23:09
SceltX-Fade: if you were screwed by a turkish saler on a bazar, it doesn't mean we all will fall to the same trap23:09
DocScrutinizeractually I give a shit about whether it's faked so far. My flat burned down on failure of original NiCad23:09
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kevloralScelt: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O23:09
X-FadeBecause he hasn't set an email ;)23:09
* Shapeshifter hasn't dared to try out his hongkong battery yet23:10
javispedromeego! meego! meego! fivvvveeeee minutes.23:10
ShapeshifterI should get a desktop charger and try it out.23:10
Sceltkevloral: I can see the difference there23:10
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kevloralScelt: because you see both the genuine and the fake one, side by side. But if you only saw the fake one, would you realize it is fake?23:12
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DocScrutinizerchnaces a cheap desktop charger blows a genuine Nokia cell are higher than N900 going boom due to a fake23:12
* MohammadAG hates how the headset is switched to by a daemon23:13
MohammadAG(which sometimes fails)23:13
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Sceltkevloral: hard to say :)23:13
* noobmonk3y punches the daemon in the face23:13
Scelthttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dW5MsplEx4gJ:www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/BrowseReviews.dx/sku.22691+deal+extreme+nokia+batteries+fake&cd=2&hl=fi&ct=clnk&gl=fi&client=opera23:13
* MohammadAG thanks noobmonk3y 23:13
noobmonk3y;)23:13
noobmonk3ynp23:13
Sceltthere's a fake BL-5J. it's even sold us "Nokia Bl-5J compatible" not genuine23:13
BCMM_is it possible to send files over skpe on an n900?23:13
MohammadAGwhy is the media player stuttering gdi23:14
crsHi there. Are you guys using any todo managers with n900?23:14
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MohammadAGoh track's corrupt23:15
DocScrutinizerbtw LiIon _cells_ are build by maybe 2 or 3 huge fabs worldwide. You can buy premium grade, or second grade rating cells, but still the fakers use same cells for their fakes23:15
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* noobmonk3y needs a manager that manages me.... not a todo manager that i need to manage23:15
MohammadAGlol23:16
Sceltkevloral: http://www.amazon.de/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0027YK94O vs. http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_32444_1.jpg - which it seems to you?23:16
* javispedro is deaf23:16
X-FadeLoud.23:16
* noobmonk3y blinks23:16
* Khertan s en fout23:16
Khertan:)23:16
GAN900Loud indeed23:16
* GAN900 is deaf now.23:16
kevloralScelt: but how do you know that the picture in the dealextreme page belongs to the battery they are actually selling?23:16
javispedronoooooooooooooooooooo23:17
X-Fadebuffering..23:17
X-FadeGrr.23:17
javispedronooooooooooo image23:17
GAN900Zemlin's still introducing23:17
GAN900Ari's coming on stage23:17
DocScrutinizerheh, you guys having fun?23:17
Sceltkevloral: :D you don't23:17
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javispedrostop torrenting GAN900 dang it!23:18
KhertanGAN900?23:18
javispedrohe's using all the upstream bandwidth23:18
Sceltkevloral: but what is the worst part. you can't even know if you're local Nokia dealer sells fake batteries23:18
Khertanhey ? a live streaming where to ?23:18
GAN900Khertan, MeeGo keynote at LF Summit23:18
Khertanuh ?! don't know23:18
javispedroKhertan: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming (needs registration)23:18
Khertanthx23:19
DocScrutinizerfuck livestreams that need double-registration23:19
Khertanclick click click click on the register button23:19
ptlbugmenot.com ?23:19
GAN900History of Maemo23:19
GAN900N90023:19
GAN900Slow start23:20
GAN900Legal and IP are big obstacles23:21
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Khertanah ... email validation23:21
kevloralScelt: actually, I don't even know where there is a nokia dealer nearby. I always buy such things online.23:22
DocScrutinizer(legal and IP) BS!23:22
GAN900"understood community participation was important from the beginning"23:22
Sceltkevloral: and the risk keeps rising23:22
GAN900Er . . . yeah23:22
StskeepsGAN900: they are acting quite nicely with upstream though23:23
DocScrutinizerGAN900: keep on twittering though :-)23:23
GAN900Product quality was "high on our mind"23:23
RST38hGAN: has the word "paradigm" been used already?23:23
Stskeepsare you playing bullshit bingo?23:23
GAN900"N900 is the best in terms of quality and end-user acceptance"23:23
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GAN900Stskeeps, no.23:23
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: you've been faster23:23
toggles_wGAN900: ?23:23
toggles_wyou drunk?23:23
GAN900"N900 exceeding expectations"23:24
GAN900Somebody answer for me. :P23:24
toggles_w;-)23:24
GAN900"Focus on developers" "Not happy about how that has been address [so far]"23:24
kevloralScelt: well, I really expect tienda.nokia.es to sell geniune batteries. :-)23:24
DocScrutinizertoggles_w: shut up, he's lifetwittering from a talk23:24
RST38hGAN: Is it time for a "Yea, right!" chorus?23:24
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GAN900toggles_w, Ari's MeeGo keynote at the LF Summit in SF23:25
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GAN900N900 used as a developer platform for MeeGo moving forward.23:25
GAN900"What we need to change in that model ... is change the way we develop the product"23:26
GAN900Talking about Sardine23:26
DocScrutinizerstinking from head?23:26
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GAN900Trying to do integration and firmware development in the open23:26
GAN900Didn't work well.23:27
javispedroDocScrutinizer: http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/23:27
DocScrutinizeraah23:27
DocScrutinizertx23:27
GAN900"Now we're going to change that to build the MeeGo platform in the open"23:27
GAN900That's the change they're going through right now.23:27
GAN900slide. "How could we focus better on user experiences?23:28
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GAN900"How could we share more?"23:28
javispedroeither you type at superhuman speed, or my video feed is lagging :)23:28
BCMM_i'm somewhat unfamiliar with debian, how do i tell which version of a package i have installed?23:28
Shapeshifterhuh23:28
GAN900javispedro, both!23:28
RST38hjavispedro: he is guessing those statements ahead of time!23:28
DocScrutinizerGAN900 is a bot, you should've known23:28
GAN900Lot of analysis on how people use the devices23:28
Myrttido I have an error on my eyes, or has he not changed slides for a while? he talks about statistics and studies, but shows no piecharts23:30
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GAN900Myrtti, yeah. . . .23:30
javispedrono piecharts? dealbreaker!23:30
Myrttiwell there's lots of waffling but no slides23:30
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GAN900Talking about communication and browsing focus. . . .23:30
MyrttiI can't tell is that by purpose or by accident23:30
Shapeshifternow he's Jim Zemlin23:31
javispedrolol23:31
Myrttioof.23:31
GAN900Focus on a featyre to make it something people really want to use.23:31
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javispedrosmall fsckup on the streaming feed ;)23:31
GAN900Focus on user experience for MeeGo23:31
*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "TEMPORARY TWITTER ONLY (GAN900) || Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/"23:31
Shapeshifterit's seriously lagging here23:31
GAN900Collaborative to speed up development23:31
* Stskeeps wonders what about DocScrutinizer 23:31
Khertan~ping23:32
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josephnexushello everyone!23:32
GAN900Want to do it under LF because it gives a platform and environment to do things open23:32
josephnexusany news on when the next firmware is to be released?23:32
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GAN900Noticing duplication of effort between Intel and Nokia23:32
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GAN900"Why do we develop them separately?"23:32
javispedro"How stupid is that?"23:33
Myrttioh crikey, seriously. Atleast I've got a British accent nowdays23:33
josephnexusI saw that the SDK was out, but haven't seen the update available for my phone yet23:33
GAN900Competitors can benefit from our work with open23:33
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: btw, GAN900=GeneralAntilles :P23:33
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: R23:33
GAN900Balancing business considerations and openness23:33
DocScrutinizertoo long23:33
robtaylorMyrtti: thanks for the hashtag :)23:33
Myrttirobtaylor: np23:33
GAN900Palm produced an OMAP3 product using Nokia code before Nokia.23:34
Khertan?23:34
Shapeshifterthis thing is lagging too much23:34
javispedroI used that as an example of the maemo openness not so much time ago :)23:34
Khertanthe pre ? strange23:34
Myrttirobtaylor: there's actually two tags going on23:34
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Myrttirobtaylor: other is lfcs201023:34
GAN900"Boils down to speed and quality and still making something you can compete [with]"23:35
GAN900"Now if we put Moblin and Maemo together is this going to give more advantage to our competitors"23:35
GAN900You can stay in your own proprierary corner, but how long will that work for?23:35
GAN900"So we decided to take the next step"23:35
MyrttiGAN900: you da man!23:35
javispedro(cue slide with RPM logo)23:35
StskeepsGAN900: i will forever be 'hearing' you with ari jaaksi's voice from now on :/23:36
GAN900Join forces and bring everyone in under the LF and MeeGo23:36
GAN900Takes too much time to bring in more companies initially23:36
RST38h<DEB advocates in the auditory cring and start smoking all over>23:36
Stskeepsheh23:36
javispedrogstreamer, connman, qt, safari, telepathy, linux, fennec, rpm, gnome, ofono, Xorg.23:36
GAN900So get started with a small group and grow.23:36
Myrttipft. shut up all of you. MeeGo t-shirt heals all wounds23:36
GAN900Merge Moblin and Maemo and do it in an open source way.23:36
Myrttiwhiners23:36
Myrtti:-P23:37
GAN900Repurposed maemo.org architecture venn diagrom with MeeGo on slide.23:37
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javispedro"#undo" should get converted into an internet meme23:37
n900-dkAre there any news on OviMaps3 for maybe-once-upon-a-time-comming PR1.2?23:37
lcukwhy doesnt ari take part in the meetings occasionally :D23:37
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GAN900emails: OMG! Internet is talking about our roadmap online!23:37
GAN900"that's OK"23:38
lcukquim looks somewhat tired!23:38
RST38hno shit...23:38
GAN900"It's our duty to, along with the LF, is to keep it open"23:38
lcuki want to photoshop his face on the entire crowd lol23:38
GAN900No code, so what is this thing?23:38
Myrttilcuk: when doesn't he *NOT* look tired?23:38
GAN900"Show our vulnerability from the beginning and invite everybody to participate"23:39
Stskeepsi've seen quim not tired. admittedly, it was 8am23:39
Stskeeps:P23:39
GAN900"It is by design that we are just building it up"23:39
lcukwhen he has those googly eye things in :D23:39
GAN900"Now is the right time to join the ride"23:39
X-FadeStskeeps: Already late for him then ;)23:39
Myrttinow is the cue for screaming "RPM to HELL!!!!"23:39
javispedrodecsisions, decisions.23:39
lcukhundreds of top "nudge" projects23:39
GAN900Taken architecture descisions from Moblin and Maemo23:39
javispedro*decisions.23:40
GAN900Ongoing process we invite other to participate in23:40
RST38hdelusions delusions23:40
GAN900slide: "Designed for multiple device segments"23:40
GAN900(see meego.com . . .)23:40
lcuknetbooks tvs handsets ivi media phones23:40
* javispedro heard an store where you can buy application developers23:40
javispedroheh, the Joggler23:41
Stskeepsa joggler?23:41
GAN900Arch diagram: Differentiation (Ovi, etc): MeeGo: "Platforms basede multiple hardware arch"23:41
javispedroa OpenTablet23:41
javispedroin the "Media Phones" category.23:41
GAN900"am23:41
GAN900"Maybe one of the first in the industry to target such a wide range"23:42
GAN900Have compatibility across all of these segments23:42
javispedrothe codec used by ustream doesn't do ari's face any justice23:42
GAN900"Development needs to be open and target really wide"23:42
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GAN900"We are working on the next MeeGo-based products as we speak"23:42
* javispedro will have nightmares later on with some of the artifacts23:42
GAN900Bergie will have a summary on his qauku after23:43
* DocScrutinizer appreciates javispedro's background comments :-)23:43
GAN900How Intel and Nokia completement eachother23:43
GAN900Nokia brings user experience23:43
GAN900Intel brings infra and platform building EX23:43
GAN900XP*23:43
GAN900"For example"23:43
GAN900slide "Bringing together some of the brightest minds"23:44
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nid0I clearly missed something while out, there a webcast on or something?23:44
GAN900"I think that ... Maemo can bring mobile handset experience ... operators ... ARM"23:44
DocScrutinizerheard that before23:44
javispedronid0: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit/live-video-streaming23:44
nid0ta23:44
GAN900"Intel ... kernel ... x11 ... fundamental platform ingredients23:45
* GAN900 has tired thumbs23:45
Khertanhihi23:45
GAN900"Good adition we didn't have in house23:45
* lcuk thinks GAN900 is doing admirably23:45
GAN900"Now is the time to join the MeeGo project"23:45
DocScrutinizerGAN900: you're incredible! struggle on please :-)23:45
GAN900"Turning into a MeeGo commercial"23:45
javispedroyou'll cause him rsi; believe me he's typing very fast.23:45
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GAN900"This is open ... you can follow where your [contribution] goes."23:46
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lcukcollabora missing!23:46
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GAN900Maemo Community Council missing from this slide listing companies from the PR release. :(23:46
javispedroacer asus bmv cisco careland cs2c devicevm gameloft ea intel kingsoft linpus mandriva metasys montavista neusoft nokia novell pixart red flag tencent turbolinux wind river xandros23:46
Myrttilcuk: there's plenty missing23:46
GAN900Ari blamed the guys who made his slide if there are missing23:47
javispedro + ericsson23:47
lcukMyrtti, i notice some more than others :)23:47
GAN900roadmap23:47
GAN900Too lazy to type it out23:47
javispedro31.03.2010 first code drop of 10.223:47
Stskeeps10.2?23:47
Stskeepswhat23:47
Stskeeps?23:47
DocScrutinizerahh see meego.com23:47
Stskeeps:P23:47
lcukwasnt someone saying codedrop == bad23:47
GAN900Stskeeps, Mac OS X23:47
javispedroq2 code complete of meego 10.2  O.o ?23:47
lcukthe ibm guy earlier wasnt it!?23:47
javispedroq1 2010 code complete of 10.423:48
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GAN900"Last thoughts"23:48
GAN900"Todo list for MeeGo"23:48
GAN900Get the code out early23:48
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GAN900"Can see a lot of what we are up to with the code"23:49
DocScrutinizernuke blobs23:49
GAN900If you connect the dots. . . .23:49
lcukmissing * develop user applications in the open too.   \@/23:49
GAN900Slide: develop in the open23:49
GAN900maintain quality and focus23:49
GAN900governance simple23:49
Myrttisome of Bergies notes already in Qaiku: http://g0.fi/75o23:49
GAN900help others to join23:49
GAN900move fast!23:49
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DocScrutinizerheard that too23:49
DocScrutinizerbefore23:50
GAN900Didn't do development in the open with Maemo23:50
MohammadAGthe autocleaner runs too often now23:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sshh23:50
* lcuk agrees with that statement23:50
MohammadAGIf I upload a new package the old one is immediately deleted23:50
GAN900"Lot of work to finish up product"23:50
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lcuk^ that one23:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ?23:50
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GAN900"At least in the mobile industry ... thinking that can we really trust this open source stuff?"23:51
GAN900"We can't be carried away by new features and innovation before we have this quality"23:52
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GAN900"Be part of development and influence the direction."23:52
GAN900"Needs to be very simple for us to maintain the speed"23:52
PhonicUKhow do i get libhildon 2.2.10 or above for psx4all?23:52
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X-FadePhonicUK: Wait 2 days for us to sort things out.23:53
KhertanPhonicUK: install Pr1.2 ...23:53
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GAN900Other companies asking how they can join23:53
GAN900"Need to be more clear on that"23:53
GAN900"Need to move really fast"23:53
GAN900"MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience"23:53
GAN900"MeeGo ... combination of two existing projects ... really vibrant ... keep open ... keep governance simple ... focus on user experience"23:54
Texratlol at GAN900 beside me, thumbing his n900 like a madman23:54
GAN900crap23:54
GAN900"Now it's time to participate on meego.com"23:54
DocScrutinizerTexrat: and we love him for that23:54
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GAN900"Was that too much of a sales pitch?"23:54
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GAN900Question about appstore etc stuff that makes a product sucessful23:55
GAN900Working with Intel to build up tools for app developers23:55
GAN900"We got a lot of things going on on that front"23:55
TexratI preferred Nokia MeeGo 'sales pitch' over IBM 'look how good we are for linux' sales pitch23:55
GAN900"Maybe too much focus in building the firmware, though"23:55
MyrttiI've got it on my Flipcam23:56
GAN900"This needs to get out of Intel/Nokia hands into LF and [community] hands"23:56
GAN900question "Do you see a merging with LiMo"23:56
Texratwhen GAN900 is my age, his thumbs will hate him for this day23:56
DocScrutinizerhear hear23:56
javispedroI told you he was going to get rsi :)23:56
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GAN900and "Both Intel and Nokia have a vetoe ... how does that affect an open community"23:57
javispedroconsidering the average n900 build quality though, the n900 will selfdestroy before that23:57
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BCMM_why does ovi maps have a fullscreen can't get out splash screen?23:57
BCMM_why can't i just use another application while i wait?23:57
GAN900"All of these things are something we will change if they become obstacles."23:57
BCMM_ /rant23:57
Texratlol @ provocative questions23:57
BCMM_(sorry)23:57
BCMM_probably because the rest of the system would be too sluggish23:57
GAN900"It is still an Intel and Nokia game but we are getting more help"23:57
GAN900Will be fixed if they need to be23:58
GAN900question "What will happen with Sym foundation"23:58
lcukhes just vetoed the veto question :D23:58
javispedrohah23:58
GAN900"It's another thing"23:58
GAN900Symbian and MeeGo will both be shipped side by side23:58
GAN900S40, too!23:58
* Texrat just vetoed lcuk23:58
GAN900Doesn't see that changing anytime soon.23:59
* lcuk vetoes texrats stage dive23:59
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* Texrat agrees with lcuk23:59
GAN900Stupid question I don't feel like typing about23:59
javispedroyeah23:59
Texratworld ends23:59
nid0dumb question23:59
GAN900"I don't really have a stron comment about that"23:59
GAN900Ari agrees23:59
MekBCMM_: ctrl+backspace gets you out of the splash screen...23:59

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