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| MohammadAG | E0x, out of space :) | 00:01 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: oh heh | 00:02 |
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| * V13 is tempted to start a thread "speculation about the next tablet (N910) and its release date" | 00:05 | |
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| rm_you | anyone know if there is a more up to date version of something like MaemoVMWare somewhere? the one on garage says it is the final release of 1.0 but only has Maemo5 SDK Beta 2 | 00:07 |
| inz | V13, with clearly photoshopped "leaked" images? | 00:07 |
| V13 | inz.. no... just some fud :) | 00:07 |
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| rm_you | since I still don't have my replacement n900 but am getting impatient, i want to start my project now on the VM :P | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | V13, I'll come over and kill you :P | 00:07 |
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| V13 | rm_you there is latest SDK which is not beta. | 00:08 |
| V13 | rm_you: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ | 00:08 |
| rm_you | So is there a VMWare image that includes that? or is MaemoVMWare on garage the best I can do? | 00:08 |
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| V13 | this one i'm using and it is *not* beta. | 00:08 |
| rm_you | hrm | 00:08 |
| rm_you | it says it is, odd | 00:08 |
| V13 | it is the final which can then be upgraded... | 00:09 |
| V13 | "Maemo SDK Virtual Images, 1.0 final" | 00:09 |
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| rm_you | right | 00:09 |
| rm_you | but the changelog says it includes Beta 2 | 00:09 |
| V13 | Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z - 1693332116 - ut-of-box ready Maemo Final Fremantle 5.0 and Diablo 4.1.2 SDK and Eclipse IDE Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid 8.10 Desktop (7-zip compressed) | 00:09 |
| rm_you | <_< | 00:09 |
| rm_you | alright yeah, the downloads agreement says that, i see now | 00:10 |
| rm_you | they must just need to update the site | 00:10 |
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| V13 | ok... this 1.7GHz may be fake | 00:20 |
| V13 | a) it has an alarm set | 00:20 |
| V13 | b) it has 20h uptime | 00:20 |
| V13 | c) the fan seems still | 00:20 |
| V13 | d) the pwm connector of the fun seems to be not connected and instead just sit under n900 | 00:20 |
| MohammadAG | it is fake | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil1 | it is fake | 00:21 |
| javispedro | it is fake | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | don't bother | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | he said it's fake | 00:21 |
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| * Shapeshifter is startled that there's no #maemo-offtopic | 00:21 | |
| Shapeshifter | where does all the silly talk go to? (t.m.o.? :P) | 00:21 |
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| V13 | :) | 00:22 |
| dubzii | V13 check this one out xD http://netbookhelden.de/sonderimg/7700mhz.jpg | 00:22 |
| V13 | lol :))) | 00:22 |
| javispedro | f.m.o ate my post! | 00:22 |
| javispedro | er.. f.m.c | 00:22 |
| toggles_w | lol | 00:22 |
| * dottedmag .oO(f.m.l.) | 00:23 | |
| javispedro | forum.meego.com you pervert | 00:23 |
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| V13 | so.. talk was replaced with forum, maemo with meego and org with com... | 00:24 |
| V13 | what all these say ? | 00:24 |
| tripzero | zomg | 00:24 |
| tripzero | 7700MHz eh? | 00:25 |
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| V13 | MohammadAG, SpeedEvil1, javispedro: looking at your "it is fake" words... you would make a good triplet... for singing... | 00:26 |
| javispedro | no, you should join and make it a quartet | 00:27 |
| * Shapeshifter just overclocked his n900 to 1.21jiggowatts | 00:27 | |
| V13 | ok.. we need another one and go play basket... | 00:27 |
| * Shapeshifter also watched all three back to the future parts today | 00:27 | |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 00:27 |
| tripzero | lol, nice | 00:27 |
| V13 | killed a vampire | 00:28 |
| V13 | shoot an alien | 00:28 |
| V13 | brought peace... | 00:28 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:28 |
| pupnik_ | nii | 00:28 |
| V13 | bb | 00:28 |
| V13 | cured cancer | 00:29 |
| V13 | cured aids | 00:29 |
| pupnik_ | quartet would be a fun multiplayer to recreate | 00:29 |
| V13 | invented time travel | 00:29 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=607589#post607589 :) | 00:44 |
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| * javispedro notes Xarchiver | 00:46 | |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, Xarchiver? | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | the one that was available for diablo | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | never seen it | 00:49 |
| javispedro | well, it was the _only_ one.... :P | 00:49 |
| V13 | [not so] hype: Based on this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=544861&postcount=3 don't you assume that pr1.2 will support live wallpapers? | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | V13, it's already working... | 00:50 |
| V13 | ok .. the bug clears it: Yes, this live homescreen will 'fix' this bug. Will be available in pr1.2. | 00:50 |
| V13 | MohammadAG: with xcompmgr ? | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | not sure | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | V13, install my package and see for your self :) | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | (it will be broken for blurred backgrounds, but it works) | 00:52 |
| V13 | i'll wait :) | 00:52 |
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| Treibholz | hmm, any idea how to tickle the calendar-widget to reload the calendardb? | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | V13: afaik, it's hildon-desktop specific, custom protocol. not using xcompmgr | 01:06 |
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| JakubS | is there widget/application to show network throughput as graph? | 01:10 |
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| JakubS | for example line chart with upload and download updated every x seconds | 01:11 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | google.pl is in black and white | 01:13 |
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| MohammadAG | file-roller packaged :) | 01:16 |
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| w00t_ | any facebrick users: take a look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49866 please :) | 01:48 |
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| GAN900 | lol, chevrolette.com forces the iPad to to mobile version | 01:55 |
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| * Treibholz hasn't experienced any website, that forced me to the mobile version | 01:57 | |
| Treibholz | with the n900 | 01:57 |
| lcuk | w00t_, just put the damned poll somewhere in the app itself ;) | 01:58 |
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| greenfly | w00t_: couldn't the sorting for the messages be a configurable option? | 01:58 |
| lcuk | there is no right or wrong ordering, merely what people feel is right | 01:58 |
| lcuk | make the app configurable and the problem is gone | 01:58 |
| greenfly | ^^ | 01:59 |
| w00t_ | 'make it an option' is always an option, but the value of sensible defaults is something which is often not considered | 02:00 |
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| crashanddie | yo bitches | 02:00 |
| w00t_ | a keyboard that defaults to dvorak with an option to go to qwerty will probably have a higher number of frustrated users by default (even if it does have a niche appeal) | 02:00 |
| lcuk | you are scary | 02:00 |
| lcuk | w00t_ :) see my post | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: we are on the same wavelength as ever | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 02:01 |
| * lcuk smiles | 02:01 | |
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| w00t_ | btw I do have some limited ideas about in-application polling.. we'll see | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | :P | 02:01 |
| w00t_ | (if this works, I plan on doing it more often) | 02:02 |
| lcuk | polling hte server? | 02:02 |
| pupnik | dvorak = placebo | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | does the website poll, or use ajax | 02:02 |
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| kevloral | hello all | 02:08 |
| tripzero | sup | 02:08 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: what's the difference between polling and ajax? | 02:19 |
| lardman | night all! | 02:21 |
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| GAN900 | What happened to fiasco-flasher? | 02:22 |
| lcuk | ajax holds a connection doesnt it | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | GAN900, it's there for some users | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | not me though | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | Nor me | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | What the hell | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | flasher's there | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | same | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | "Suitable USB device not found" | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | The whole regional firmware thing is really irritating. | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | use fiasco-image-update | 02:25 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: nope | 02:29 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: ajax simply means that the webpage (or underlying code) talks to the webserver after the initial page load | 02:30 |
| lcuk | so, it polls? | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | asynchronous javascript and xml | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | doesn't matter whether it polls or not | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | could do either, still be java | 02:31 |
| lcuk | or it has a connection which waits for stuff to pop out | 02:31 |
| lcuk | it matters | 02:31 |
| lcuk | because polling == bad | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | s/java/ajax/ | 02:31 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: could do either, still be ajax | 02:31 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: usually a well-designed ajax app would only request info from the server upon user events | 02:31 |
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| crashanddie | but again, it can be polling if required, or continuous. webchat.freenode.net is a continuous connection, mail.google.com uses polling and user-generated events | 02:34 |
| lcuk | you sure it polls? it sits with a connection most of the time | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | nha, if you shut down google chat there shouldn't be a connection | 02:35 |
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| crashanddie | though it's been a while since I looked into it, so they may have changed the rules | 02:37 |
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| lcuk | how often do you poll! | 02:38 |
| pupnik | regularly. with metamucil | 02:39 |
| lcuk | every second would cause meltdown every minute would be too slow for people | 02:39 |
| lcuk | haha | 02:39 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wow I hit upload and got disconnected here | 02:44 |
| TomaszD | well let that be a lesson to you | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 02:46 |
| TomaszD | ;) | 02:46 |
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| * MohammadAG_ gives it another go | 02:49 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | grrr | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~curse autobuilder | 02:52 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, autobuilder ! | 02:52 |
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| Only-One | Hi friends, I invite you to a new network of mIRC, /s -m irc.joinirc.org [join #CService for HELP] | 02:58 |
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| haltdef | oh god | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | :/ | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | wonderful to see such nice emus lately | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | indeed :) | 03:01 |
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| MohammadAG | does anyone know what the autobuilder is running on? | 03:03 |
| MohammadAG | it seems to be a bit slow. | 03:04 |
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| MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: file-roller 2.24.3-1maemo1 FAILED Maemo Extras Builder :( | 03:07 |
| jacekowski | what would be the best approach to disabling noexec on mmc? | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | if i would just remount it manualy | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | is there something watching it and making sure that it's mounted with noexec? | 03:10 |
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| MohammadAG | not that I know of | 03:10 |
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| MohammadAG | just edited the file that generates fstab at startup | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | edit* | 03:11 |
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| dmj726_n900 | my scratchbox won't update. Is this a 1.2 issue? | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | no... | 03:14 |
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| MohammadAG | The 1.2 scratchbox was released last month, so it won't have issues | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | YES! | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | file-roller built in the autobuilder | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: 3 minutes is enough for most people | 03:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...this is a pre 1.2 scratchbox...updates should just work | 03:16 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: for email anyway, you can go up to 5 minutes | 03:16 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, many ajax systems update in realtime | 03:19 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: sure you can have a low-resource pipe that serves as an event trigger (basically poor-man's push) | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | Though that requires specific software that most webhosts wouldn't allow | 03:20 |
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| MohammadAG | errordeveloper, any tmo mods here? | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: just submit a report | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I just want the title for my thread to be changed | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | submit a report | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't a report just waste their time? | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG | k | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | no | 03:22 |
| crashanddie | You'd be amazed at the stupid reports we get | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoyoyo | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | lol I'm a mod on another site, but we don't get stupid reports | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | (a lot) :P | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | hey DocScrutinizer | 03:23 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: do you have as many visitors as TMO? | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, well no, but most of the users on TMO just troll :/ | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, actually most of them probably don't even recognize they are trolling | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol good point | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | "Off Topic lacks a controversial thread" | 03:26 |
| crashanddie | fuck that | 03:26 |
| tripzero | lol | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, and I'm assuming a user starts spamming you by PM if you give them an infraction? | 03:27 |
| crashanddie | "Nokia shoukd consider this design" <-- controversial; "Getting Around the GPL" <-- controversial; "Whatever Apple touch, it turns gold" <-- controversial; "A little something for Apple haters." <-- controversial... do I need to continue? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | a big fat BOLD 47pt warning with a link to http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html for sure wouldn't hurt | 03:27 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, no you don't lol | 03:27 |
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| MohammadAG | does Nokia even read tmo? | 03:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: yes, and I quit moderation for that reason | 03:28 |
| * MohammadAG really really doubts that | 03:28 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I think the only one who endures it is Quim | 03:28 |
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| MohammadAG | well I turned off Private messaging for my account once | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG | didn't have the time to argue so I replied and turned it off | 03:29 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, who's Quim? can't seem to find him on tmo | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | qgil | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | he's a mod? | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't say that under his nick for some reason... | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | No, he resigned from moderation as well | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's nokianized | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | wow | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | because people were saying it was a conspiracy and conflict of interest for him to be a moderator as he is a nokia employee | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | two mods resigned? | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | wankers if you ask me, the guy has the patience of a holy person | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: feel free to offer your services as a mod | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: we need more mods | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: wtf, this can't be true. Conflict of Interests when a Nokia employee is moderating a Nokia forum? | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | errordeveloper, you don't make it sound as a good thing :p | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: though if you don't feel like taking the abuse, I suggest you start a discussion to setup clear rules around moderation tasks | 03:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer checks his ignorelist... | 03:33 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: it would be good if moderators knew what foot they can stand on. At the moment it's free for all, we just dump most of the things we do in a specific moderator forum (OMFG, THE MODS HAVE A PRIVATE FORUM, CONSPIRACYYYY) in order to cover our asses | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, why don't you have a moderators channel? | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | because we're in too different timezones, wouldn't help | 03:35 |
| dmj726_n900 | moderating can be hard, especially in a high noise forum like tmo. | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | I barely use the mods section on the site I moderate | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | I'm the only mod in Asia/Pacific, we have a couple of mods in the US, and a couple in Europe (or maybe a handful in Europe) | 03:36 |
| crashanddie | plus the council has the right to see/post in the mod forum so that they can see what's happening | 03:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | so many threads about apple crud that it's a bit hard to the the awesome threads about development. | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | and one from russia | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | looking @ http://talk.maemo.org/showgroups.php | 03:36 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: so really, the mod channel would only be for specific people, plus, texrat and qole never come to IRC, etc | 03:37 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, why does the site have only 2 super moderators? | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | because supermod is a tough position | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | It's better to have someone focus on 2 or 3 forums than be all over the place | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | usually people have an interest in only one or two forums anyway | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | (applications, n800, community, etc) | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | I seem to remember that mods can become supermods after they reach 500 posts | 03:39 |
| crashanddie | but that may have changed | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that sounds like a great idea anyway, to elect those with many posts for mods :-P | 03:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | grr...broken scratchbox | 03:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles is out for SF. | 03:41 | |
| MohammadAG | Symbian Freak? :P | 03:41 |
| ds3 | SF? | 03:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sourceforge, sience fiction? | 03:41 |
| ds3 | ah | 03:41 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: have fun, enjoy! | 03:42 |
| ds3 | have fun, and bring a raincoat | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, PM'd you the rules I agreed to | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, moderators who get to 500 posts become supermods | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: not regular users | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if you had to do the same when you got the mods position | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | nope | 03:42 |
| crashanddie | though those rules are pretty laughable, and quite standard bullshit you get on low-end think-you-re-though-forums | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | no offense | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, lot colder than it is here at the moment. :( | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | none taken :) | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: if you want to become a moderator on TMO, you just post to the moderator thread, or send a PM to Reggie. He looks at your previous posts, and if you're not a troll and seemingly helpful, you get the rights | 03:43 |
| ds3 | GA: where is here? | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | not sure about it | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, Florida | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | two mods resigned, it doesn't sound like a good position | 03:44 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the paragraph about "proper English" is really laughable in that list, considering that there's spelling mistakes all over the paragraph :P | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 03:44 |
| ds3 | GA: yes, indeed... probally even wetter | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | and I don't give a **** about the forum title, I don't moderate so that I can have the power to do it | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, I never read the whole thing anyways :P | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | I just followed what the other mods did | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | my point exactly | 03:45 |
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| MohammadAG | but it works well | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG | we never have arguments | 03:45 |
| crashanddie | What TMO needs is rulebook, not a "Thou shalt not abuseth thy powerz" | 03:45 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG | tmo needs a database nuke tbh :) | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 03:46 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the disciplinary actions section is excellent though, that's really what we need | 03:46 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: tailor that for TMO, and submit it for review in Community | 03:48 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I'm serious, you'd be doing the mods a huge favour | 03:48 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, will do :) | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG | file-roller archive manager now in extras-devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/file-roller/ :) | 03:50 |
| dmj726_n900 | MohammadAG: great! | 03:50 |
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| MohammadAG | I seriously can't believe how stupid the app manager icon thing can be | 03:56 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm not manually adding a space 400 times | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 03:56 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Displaying_an_icon_in_the_Application_Manager_next_to_your_package | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | "Add a space in front of every line of the encoded icon " | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | surely there's an easier way to do it... | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 03:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: perl is your friend | 03:58 |
| Guest75878 | crap | 03:58 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what if I don't know perl lol | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | anybody here try the lenovo x100e? | 04:00 |
| MohammadAG | Done | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | 400 lines | 04:02 |
| * MohammadAG likes his coordination :) | 04:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cat myfile|sed 's/^/ /' >myfile_edited | 04:06 |
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| rm_you | anyone worked any further on barcode libs for n900? | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | thanks DocScrutinizer, already done it manually though (no really), next time :) | 04:09 |
| rm_you | Am looking at utilizing them soon | 04:09 |
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| dmj726_n900 | clutter-box2d is cool | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | what's that? | 04:20 |
| pupnik | do box2d sprites draw with opengl es? | 04:21 |
| dmj726_n900 | it's clutter plus a physics engine. | 04:22 |
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| dmj726_n900 | clutter-box2d doesn't work properly in scratchbox though | 04:43 |
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| rm_you | grrr internet | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG | it's 8 mins till 5 AM, and I'm fixing a package... | 04:52 |
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| MohammadAG | fixed some bugs in archive manager | 04:58 |
| MohammadAG | if you can call them bugs... | 04:58 |
| MohammadAG | night :) | 04:58 |
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| bullet` | hello all | 05:25 |
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| crashanddie | hey bullet` | 05:27 |
| bullet` | how is it going crashanddie ... any interesting news about maemo? | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: www.mwkn.net | 05:28 |
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| bullet` | hey u know james ghosling left oracle .. muat have been a sad time for him .. | 05:28 |
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| crashanddie | bullet`: not necessarily | 05:40 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: I'm surprised he stayed in the first place to be honest. Anyone believing that Oracle wouldn't fundamentally change Sun was naive... | 05:41 |
| bullet` | yea | 05:41 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: if only he could write a new language that we could specialise in for the next 15 years ;) | 05:42 |
| bullet` | still he did so much for the company, all his lifes work, and day u have to leave .. | 05:42 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: leaving is a good thing | 05:42 |
| bullet` | hmm | 05:42 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: the best people change companies every 4-5 years | 05:43 |
| crashanddie | maximum | 05:43 |
| crashanddie | I would say 3 years is the average for excellent people who add a lot to a company | 05:43 |
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| bullet` | well, i know for myself, what u said is true, but i cannot imagine how does it feel to the person who contributes to the level which he did .. | 05:45 |
| bullet` | doesnt it become kind of a home to u at that level of contribution .. | 05:45 |
| bullet` | leaving in 3 years | 05:46 |
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| crashanddie | spell out your words lol... you have a full keyboard | 05:46 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, I guess that it becomes your baby after a while, so that's probably why he stayed with Sun for so long, no doubt. But that's more the exception than the rule | 05:47 |
| bullet` | yea | 05:47 |
| crashanddie | Plus, having new blood can only be beneficial to Java -- Java isn't looking too good lately | 05:47 |
| bullet` | sorry for the short letters i write for words .. these r the manners that ppl keep on reminding me .. will have to get used to it .. | 05:48 |
| crashanddie | no, I won't | 05:48 |
| crashanddie | write fully or don't | 05:48 |
| bullet` | i cant | 05:49 |
| bullet` | i will try thats all i can say | 05:49 |
| crashanddie | thanks, much appreciated | 05:49 |
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| slingr | is there an official launch date for pr1.2? | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | no | 05:52 |
| bullet` | nope | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 05:52 |
| infobot | ~pong | 05:52 |
| bullet` | whats the used of this ping crashanddie ? | 05:52 |
| bullet` | use* | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | to see how long it takes for my messages to reach the server and back | 05:53 |
| slingr | i have been out of the maemo scene for awhile. is there a n average wait time from when the sdk is released to when end users see a firmware update usually? couple months maybe? | 05:53 |
| crashanddie | slingr: usually a lot shorter than that | 05:53 |
| crashanddie | slingr: not that I paid particular attention, but I don't remember the SDK being out a long time before the public release | 05:53 |
| slingr | awesome. i'm very excited :) | 05:53 |
| bullet` | good good | 05:53 |
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| crashanddie | slingr: that's why a lot of people are crying wolf every 20 minutes, but really it could be today as much as it could be 2 weeks from now -- nobody knows. | 05:54 |
| slingr | understandable | 05:54 |
| bullet` | crashanddie, what OS do u primarily use ? | 05:54 |
| bullet` | you* | 05:54 |
| crashanddie | OSX at home, Windows at work (desktop), zLinux (mainframe) and Solaris as dev environments | 05:54 |
| bullet` | and you do maemo development right ? | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | not in my day job | 05:55 |
| bullet` | ok | 05:55 |
| crashanddie | would love to though -- if anyone has a job ;) | 05:55 |
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| bullet` | but do u do maemo development on linux as well as mac ? | 05:56 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: depends the language used | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: when it's compiled language, I use a Linux VM on the Mac, when it's an interpreted language I use the Mac directly. | 05:57 |
| bullet` | i want to know, if one is doing maemo development, how different is the experience if he keeps shifting linux and mac. What i assume is it should be pretty similar since the qt creator and al the tools seems similar on all platforms | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | well, if you use Qt with an interpreted language (PyQt or PySide), it's fairly easy. | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | you can easily develop your app on any platform, and then there's a minimal effort to port it (as long as the app doesn't use platform-specific features, gps or such) | 05:59 |
| crashanddie | If however you're writing C/C++ apps, I would recommend working on Linux with scratchbox, you depend on so many specific libraries and platform-specifics that the porting effort would be mad and no provide anything good. | 06:00 |
| bullet` | and what about c++, if all the qt stuff is used and its left to qt how it uses the platform underneath, is that even possible .. | 06:00 |
| bullet` | how much of a % of that coudl be done | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: huh? C is C | 06:01 |
| crashanddie | well, a big percentage, but you still need to compile it anyway | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | C doesn't require porting :D | 06:01 |
| bullet` | oh, while talking to you i myself forgot i was asking questions related to develping for maemo, not other platforms (mac/win/nix) | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | if you write it in pure Qt, you should be good too | 06:01 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: true, but I'm talking about the platform behaviour, such as threading, IPC, and such which differ slightly, don't they? | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | bullet`: programs should not be developed *for* a specific platform | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | bullet`: they should be platform-independent and run anywhere you compile them | 06:02 |
| bullet` | so i guess if u r going to be developing for maemo in qt, regardless of nix/win/mac, its should be a similar experience. Liek save the project at one place in nix, open it in mac or windows, build for mameo and deploy ? | 06:02 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: also, window behaviour would be quite different, and would need to be adapted quite significantly | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: C doesn't define threading/IPC | 06:02 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: no, but the platforms libs do | 06:02 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: I'm not familiar with it, but pretty sure they're seriously different on mac/linux | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | hence the qualifier 'pure' on C :) | 06:03 |
| bullet` | c doesnt define a lot as far as i have read on the internet | 06:03 |
| bullet` | threading being one of it | 06:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | programs should try to be cross platform, but there are cases where they would be silly. | 06:03 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr~= +5 pedantic | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | threading isn't usually necessary | 06:03 |
| bullet` | well | 06:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | like a gps app on my desktop. | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | dmj726_n900: there's no reason to be platform-dependent in a Qt app | 06:03 |
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| bullet` | u r saying htat in the age where now we have like 8 or 12 cores on one desktop machine ? | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | sure | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | how often do you have a single process running? ;p | 06:04 |
| bullet` | but i get it for maemo though | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | in any case, I don't have a single multi-core system | 06:04 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: he's poor and angry, don't mind him :P | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | I don't need one either :) | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | my Athlon64 3200+ keeps up | 06:05 |
| crashanddie | he's still thinking of C-89, monolithic kernels and code organised through #ifdef | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | ... | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | I don't know C < 99 | 06:05 |
| frosty` | lol | 06:05 |
| crashanddie | cue: "Get off my lawn" | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | also, Linux is monolithic | 06:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | what about a qt interface to manage ext filesystems? | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | dmj726_n900: no reason that needs to be platform dependent :P | 06:06 |
| crashanddie | abstraction creates overhead | 06:06 |
| dmj726_n900 | or something similarly linux specific. | 06:06 |
| crashanddie | useless abstraction creates stupid programs | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | ext isn't Linux specific | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | you can use it on Windows ;) | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | afaik Android supports ext still | 06:07 |
| crashanddie | and for all intents and purposes, Android is Linux | 06:07 |
| dmj726_n900 | that said, I'm not suggesting actively making anything platfom specific, just where it makes sense to enssure it vs not worry about it. | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: didn't they make the fork official? | 06:07 |
| dmj726_n900 | no, android just doesn't have a gnu userland | 06:08 |
| bullet` | android is not linux i heard | 06:08 |
| crashanddie | well, running off Linux, it's a VM that could run on anything, but the day they separate the VM from the baselayer, all those specifics will fly out of the window, and you can be sure ext will go too. | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: no, I mean literally... | 06:08 |
| bullet` | i mean it does use the kernel, but i heard a lot of imp stuff is missing which make the porting apps diff to android | 06:08 |
| dmj726_n900 | android is a linux kernal and a java vm. | 06:08 |
| bullet` | unlike maemo | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | bullet`: that's unrelated; Android isn't X11 | 06:09 |
| dmj726_n900 | maemo has a gnu debian userland | 06:09 |
| crashanddie | anyway, useless thread | 06:09 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900: err | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Android included a fork of Linux | 06:09 |
| timeless_mbp | busybox is hardly debian userland | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | Google doesn't want to merge to mainline; mainline doesn't want Google's stuff | 06:09 |
| dmj726_n900 | (simplification) | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | last I heard they officially split ways | 06:09 |
| bullet` | i dont know official or intentionaly, but they couldnt maintain stuff in the kernel, and kernel devs removed their contributions .. what i read in the greg's blog (i think thats his name) | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | Google reinvented some Linux feature as "wakelocks" and mainline doesn't want the duplicate functionality | 06:11 |
| dmj726_n900 | I think the split was that the most recent kernel wasn't compatible, and didn't have android changes, not any real "we're forking" thing. | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | all drivers are affected by it | 06:11 |
| crashanddie | wow, "greg's blog" that's going to be easy to find ;) | 06:11 |
| bullet` | heheh | 06:11 |
| bullet` | greg kroah | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | Linux Monkey something | 06:11 |
| bullet` | that kernel maintainer !! | 06:11 |
| bullet` | :) | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | Linux Kernel Monkey Log | 06:11 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?q=greg%20android%20blog&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 06:11 |
| bullet` | yea that one :) | 06:12 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: really hard… i'm feeling lucky ^ | 06:12 |
| dmj726_n900 | ext4 is not functional at all on windows | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | ext4 is useless imo | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | ext3 does everything I need fine | 06:12 |
| bullet` | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=b0a0ccfad85b3657fe999805df65f5cfe634ab8a | 06:12 |
| bullet` | this is the post | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | except SD stuff | 06:12 |
| bullet` | ooopss | 06:12 |
| bullet` | wrong one | 06:13 |
| bullet` | sorry | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | but ext4 doesn't improve that | 06:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...and the other exts are only kindof there | 06:13 |
| bullet` | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html?seemore=y | 06:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | that's why I have so many ntfs partitions | 06:13 |
| bullet` | anyway | 06:13 |
| dmj726_n900 | give me a real file system over ntfs any day. | 06:14 |
| bullet` | anyone knows whats up with the next version of c++ .. tey were calling it .. c zero or something ? | 06:14 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I'm not lucky :P | 06:14 |
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| luke-jr | bullet`: it *was* called "C++ 0x" for development | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | assuming it was going to become "C++ 09" or such (year) | 06:14 |
| bullet` | hmm | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | but probably will be C++ 2010 or so now | 06:15 |
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| crashanddie | I love how they said C++0x was "Almost going to be 100% compatible with old C++" | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | So... 99%? | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | 98%? | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | What's "Almost 100%" | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | ? | 06:17 |
| godrik | guys I got a problem with maemo mapper | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | 99.999999999999999999% | 06:17 |
| godrik | it seems that the maps I got from open street map are off | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: "Everything is compatible, except for one thing, one character. Semicolon" | 06:17 |
| godrik | I mean that the track I got from my gps do not correspond to the right street at all | 06:18 |
| crashanddie | godrik: define:"at all" | 06:18 |
| godrik | I uploaded the tracks to osm to check them and they were fine there | 06:18 |
| crashanddie | godrik: 10m difference, or 20km? | 06:18 |
| godrik | crashanddie: 6Km | 06:18 |
| godrik | perhaps 10 | 06:18 |
| crashanddie | sounds like your maps are diff'd | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | have you tried turning it off and on again? | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | I mean, download again? | 06:19 |
| godrik | I mv-ed the database file and got the same problem | 06:19 |
| godrik | I am checking using an other source (google street) at the moment | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: std::vector<T>&& woop dee fucking woop | 06:20 |
| godrik | the version of meamo mapper is 2.6.2 | 06:21 |
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| godrik | are all the data of maemo mapper stored in ~/MyDocs/.documents/Maps ? | 07:03 |
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| godrik | where does maemo mapper store its information ? | 07:16 |
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| godrik | I tried to erase both ~/.maemo-mapper and ~/MyDocs/.documents/Maps | 07:16 |
| godrik | but MM still remembers thing | 07:16 |
| godrik | I would like to completly flush MM data. | 07:16 |
| godrik | any idea ? | 07:16 |
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| mrlanrat | hello everyone! | 07:29 |
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| mrlanrat | I was just wondering, how do i get the album art to show in the default diablo media player (it showes up just fine in canola and other media players) The artwork is in the id3 tag. | 07:30 |
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| ptl | How do I simulate the "power" button inside scratchbox? | 07:42 |
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| ptl | hello-o? | 07:45 |
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| bullet` | helo | 07:45 |
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| crashanddie | hehehe | 07:51 |
| crashanddie | "Steve Jobs confirms original iPhone won't run iPhone OS 4.0" | 07:51 |
| crashanddie | Take that bitcheees | 07:52 |
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| crashanddie | (aimed at all the whiners crying about N900 not officially supporting MeeGo) | 07:52 |
| koala_man | haha | 07:53 |
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| bullet` | it was in the news .. i think it 'll run for 3gs? | 07:54 |
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| crashanddie | well, there's the iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS | 07:55 |
| crashanddie | so we can safely assume that the iPhone 3G and 3GS versions will support OS4 | 07:56 |
| bullet` | for the 3g, isnt it going to be very slow ? 3gs wud be the only one that 'll run it good | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | Not necessarily | 07:57 |
| bullet` | i hear 3gs is like 2.5x faster than 3g | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | Speed has rarely something to do with it, more like the actual chipset drivers or functionalities are used a bit too much for it to be compatible with the original iPhone | 07:57 |
| bullet` | so since the multitasking in there now, they need a better hardware, atleast like 3gs | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | (digital compass etc) | 07:58 |
| dmj726_n900 | where did you hear it wouldn't be supported? | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20002318-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | Jobs responded to a customer e-mail asking if the new operating system would support the original iPhone, according to Mac enthusiast site MacStories. In his typical succinct style, Jobs said: "Sorry, no. Sent from my iPhone" | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, android is doing same these days | 08:00 |
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| dmj726_n900 | the aritcle seems a bit confused as to whether it's just the multitasking or 4.0 in general that isn't supported. | 08:01 |
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| ptl | what about the power button in scratchbox? Noone knows? | 08:05 |
| mrlanrat | or does anyone know how to make the album art work in diablo? | 08:06 |
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| crashanddie | mrlanrat: not supported AFAIK | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | mrlanrat: only .jpg files can be used for Album Art in diablo | 08:08 |
| mrlanrat | so you need to have the artwork as a separate file? | 08:08 |
| mrlanrat | ugh, i just put my n810 into an infinite reboot. | 08:11 |
| mrlanrat | time to reflash again....... | 08:11 |
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| mrlanrat | unless anyone knows how to fix hildon desktop | 08:11 |
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| ptl | you should have previously installed bootmenu | 08:14 |
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| mrlanrat | i think i will next time | 08:15 |
| mrlanrat | but can bootmenu alone help? | 08:15 |
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| mrlanrat | does bootmenu come with a shell? | 08:15 |
| mrlanrat | all i need to do is edit a config file, can that be done over usb? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | on usb yes | 08:15 |
| mrlanrat | how? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | but you should have installed bootmenu in advance | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | telnet | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:16 |
| mrlanrat | you can telnet over usb???? | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | ... | 08:16 |
| luke-jr | it's a network connection | 08:16 |
| mrlanrat | o, so bootmenu can allow the n810 to act as a network card? | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | minus the card ... | 08:17 |
| mrlanrat | good to know | 08:17 |
| mrlanrat | lol | 08:17 |
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| mrlanrat | is there anything i can do without bootmenu installed? | 08:17 |
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| luke-jr | yes | 08:17 |
| mrlanrat | what? | 08:17 |
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| luke-jr | but not simple enough to hold your hand through | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | flasher can boot a custom kernel w/o flashing it | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | could build one that has fbcon and execs /bin/sh | 08:18 |
| mrlanrat | hmm, are there any kernels that i could use that are pre-built? (so that I don't need to compile my own) | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: ... wtf do I care? | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: it's just funny :) | 08:20 |
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| Trizt | mrlanrat; I think there is one in the testing repo | 08:21 |
| mrlanrat | where/how do i get it? | 08:21 |
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| Trizt | mrlanrat; http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 08:21 |
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| mrlanrat | Thanks trizt, ill look into it | 08:28 |
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| crashanddie | Haha, Microsoft's phone attempts is ridiculous | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | (re the Kin and Kin Two) | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | No SDK, no App Store, no pricing, and only 8GB of storage with no uSD | 09:18 |
| bullet` | microsoft is so pathetic !!! | 09:19 |
| bullet` | sorry i had to just say that ! | 09:19 |
| bullet` | only they do good is directx and xbox i guess ;P | 09:19 |
| bullet` | only thing* | 09:19 |
| MiXu- | And Windows 7 | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | erhm, directx sucks donkey balls | 09:19 |
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| crashanddie | the xbox is ok, but the model is wrong | 09:20 |
| bullet` | it maybe from the programming point of view .. | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | paying for playing on the interwebs? When I'm hosting the server and paying for all the bandwidth? Thank you very much, bastards | 09:20 |
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| bullet` | i dotn know about windows 7 ... although i hv been using it since some time now | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | morning lardman | 09:21 |
| bullet` | aha | 09:21 |
| lardman | morning crashanddie | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | woo, 3333 thanks on tmo | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: you the devil's cousin? | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | close enough | 09:21 |
| lardman | brother | 09:21 |
| lardman | ;) | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | twice removed | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: how many posts? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | 879 | 09:22 |
| lardman | I had a uid of 666 at a company I was working for | 09:22 |
| * crashanddie looks for one of Stskeeps' posts to ruin his magical number | 09:22 | |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: nice ratio! | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | so i was thanked on average 3.79 times per post :P | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | I'm only at 1.52 :( | 09:23 |
| lardman | are we looking at new karma metrics? | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind thanks:posts as a metric for signal vs noise | 09:23 |
| * bullet` nods | 09:24 | |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: why can't I find any of yours posts ffs | 09:24 |
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| frals | the problem is when you give endusers who refuse to read support on your application, and they refuse to thank you... good way to decrease thanks:posts ratio :p | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 09:24 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: 400 in one post? | 09:25 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | it was a good post | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| crashanddie | nha, not exceptionally good | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | you just posted in the right forum for the audience | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | it did shut up people, at least for a little while | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | had you posted it in Community (where it belongs), you would've been trolled to death | 09:27 |
| lardman | good lord, that's a lot of thanks | 09:29 |
| ptl | is there ANY way of taking screenshots via command-line without using imagemagick or screenshot-tool ? | 09:29 |
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| crashanddie | ptl: short answer or long answer? | 09:30 |
| lardman | wasn't there a ctrl-shift-p (or similar) keypress to do that? | 09:30 |
| ptl | crashanddie: longer is better | 09:30 |
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| crashanddie | ptl: yes | 09:30 |
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| ptl | yes, there is | 09:30 |
| ptl | but there is no dbus method or anything assigned to that, lardman | 09:30 |
| ptl | I want an automated way | 09:31 |
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| lardman | I see | 09:31 |
| crashanddie | ptl: the short answer was "no" | 09:31 |
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| crashanddie | (because "yes" is longer than "no") | 09:32 |
| ptl | so the long answer is yes? | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | def longest_answer(first, second): | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | if len(first) > len(second): | 09:33 |
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| lardman | and what's the method is the next question ;) | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | return first | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | else: | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | return second | 09:33 |
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| ptl | yes, so what is the method? | 09:34 |
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| ptl | preferrably following the order "simple command-line" >> "shell script" >> "already installed x-window utility" >> "perl script" >> "python script" >> "external c program" (screenshot-tool, imagemagick's import) | 09:36 |
| ptl | the >> are arbitrary symbols. They mean nothing in this context. | 09:37 |
| ptl | it's just an order of preference. :P | 09:37 |
| lardman | ptl: is screenshot-tool open source? | 09:37 |
| lardman | presumably one could hack it into something command line friendly | 09:37 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:40 |
| Jaffa | lardman: osso-screenshot-tool still exists, doesn't it? | 09:40 |
| lardman | morning Jaffa | 09:40 |
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| lardman | Jaffa: dunno, never used it, was just suggesting somewhere for the OP to look | 09:41 |
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| * noobmonk3y swears that some people on t.m.o. just love to be arrogant for the fun of being arrogant | 09:45 | |
| noobmonk3y | ~Arif | 09:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Arif_ | 09:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Seen Arif | 09:46 |
| infobot | arif <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 52d 16h 10m 36s ago, saying: 'yeah it was sarcasm :('. | 09:46 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol i'm slow today | 09:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Seen Arif_ | 09:46 |
| infobot | arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 18h 51m 27s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. | 09:46 |
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| wired | hey guys | 09:47 |
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| ptl | lardman: I was investigating the issue, sorry. Yes, it is open-source and I have seen the code and it's very very simple, couldn't be simplest. It just invokes a standard X API call to get the root screen, writes a png and that's it. | 09:49 |
| ptl | lardman: but this is something that can be done from the shell | 09:50 |
| noobmonk3y | hi wired | 09:50 |
| ptl | ~seen ptl_demands_PR12 | 09:50 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_pr12 <~patola@unaffiliated/ptl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 3h 41m 20s ago, saying: 'http://www.somelink.com if anyone is trying to test this bug :)'. | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | ptl: that's based on the assumption that the display server is standard xorg | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | ptl: the way I would do it, is find a way to call whatever calls ctrl shift p, and call that from your script | 09:51 |
| ptl | crashanddie: sure, but that's the case with maemo, isn't it? | 09:51 |
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| ptl | the code to whatever calls ctrl-shift-p... isn't that intermingled with the closed source components? it might be a bit difficult to get it, isn't it? | 09:52 |
| ptl | I tried to do dbus sniffing, didn't get anything | 09:52 |
| wired | new kernel again =] | 09:52 |
| ptl | I even confused a thumbnailer service call to issuing the screenshot command | 09:52 |
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| ptl | s/ to / with / | 09:53 |
| infobot | ptl meant: I even confused a thumbnailer service call with issuing the screenshot command | 09:53 |
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| ptl | sorry | 09:55 |
| ptl | not standard X API call | 09:56 |
| ptl | but standard gtk API call | 09:56 |
| ptl | namely, gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable | 09:56 |
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| lardman | so what was the code that uses the X Windows calls? | 09:58 |
| ptl | there's no such code. I confused. It uses gtk+ | 10:01 |
| ptl | anyway, if you want such code (in C), xwd uses that and you can get the source | 10:02 |
| lardman | no, I was wondering for you | 10:02 |
| ptl | I found two python examples, using QT and GTK+ | 10:02 |
| ptl | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69645/take-a-screenshot-via-a-python-script-linux | 10:02 |
| lardman | can you send keypresses to the window server then | 10:02 |
| wired | hmmm | 10:02 |
| ptl | keypresses? I don't think this solution would be very reliable | 10:03 |
| lardman | perhaps not, just a thought | 10:03 |
| wired | crap | 10:03 |
| wired | the latest titan kernel doesnt boot | 10:03 |
| lardman | is that an overclocked one? | 10:03 |
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| wired | or it didn't flash properly | 10:04 |
| wired | lardman: not by default | 10:04 |
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| lardman | wired: what's different about it then, other than the ability to change the overclocking? | 10:04 |
| wired | lardman: lots of extra kernel modules | 10:04 |
| wired | including nat | 10:04 |
| wired | and ofcourse onthefly oc | 10:05 |
| lardman | ok | 10:05 |
| wired | mfff | 10:05 |
| wired | sucks | 10:05 |
| ptl | the python-gtk way worked | 10:06 |
| lardman | ptl: good good | 10:06 |
| ptl | I will add it to Phone control | 10:06 |
| wired | i have a kernel image lying around somewhere... | 10:06 |
| * wired looks for it | 10:06 | |
| lardman | ptl: why does a phone control need screenshots? | 10:07 |
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| ptl | lardman: I don't have the slightest idea, a friend of mine asked me to find out for him and I am curious enough that I tried. | 10:07 |
| ptl | actually "Phone control" means "device control" | 10:08 |
| ptl | the page is misnamed | 10:08 |
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| lardman | ah ok | 10:09 |
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| crashanddie | lardman sounds like the spanish inquisition | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie | well, spanish as spoken by an english person, I guess | 10:11 |
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| lardman | si! | 10:12 |
| lardman | and on that note, /me gets ready to head to work, cu all later | 10:13 |
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| wired | ... it wont boot anymore, yay | 10:14 |
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| ab_ | crashanddie, do u use macbookpro ? | 10:15 |
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| crashanddie | yup | 10:16 |
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| bullet` | how much does it have ? | 10:16 |
| bullet` | ram* | 10:16 |
| crashanddie | 8GB | 10:16 |
| bullet` | wow .. thats a lot .. so the os is ofcourse 64 bits, do u run windows on a vm in it ? | 10:17 |
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| crashanddie | nope | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | only linux | 10:17 |
| bullet` | aha .. hw is the performance of linux on vm ? | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | and > 4GB doesn't require 64bit, you can have 32 bit and > 4GB | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | it's only that a single process will only be able to address 4GB | 10:18 |
| bullet` | aha . is that a feature for mac that even on 32 bits u can utilize more than 4gb? | 10:18 |
| bullet` | aha ok | 10:19 |
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| mece | WTF? Tweego is 15Mb? that's a lot. | 10:19 |
| crashanddie | No, any OS can implement that, Linux does, so do some versions of Windows, dunno about Mac, I do have a 64bit OS | 10:19 |
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| bullet` | well i have been only familiar with gaming forums that the guys discuss their the gaming pcs they have (windows), they always have to select a 64 bit vista/win7 if they have 4 gb or above ram | 10:20 |
| crashanddie | yeah, because microsoft chose not to implement it | 10:20 |
| bullet` | yea | 10:21 |
| lupine_85 | highmem is a bit poor, to be fair | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | but windows server 2003 supports 8GB of RAM in 32bit mode | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | Linux supports 64GB in 32bit mode | 10:21 |
| bullet` | so how is the performance of linux in the vm on your mbp? | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | excellent | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | feels native | 10:21 |
| bullet` | yea servers have those capacities | 10:21 |
| bullet` | aha thats cool | 10:21 |
| bullet` | can we say windows will be that good on the vm in mbp too ? | 10:21 |
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| bullet` | i have a laptop , vostro 1500, and now its the 3rd year going .. and i cannot convince myself to get any other laptop, nothing seems way better than my current laptop. But since few months i have my eyes on mbp 15, design wise and durabillity, i think everything is excellent. | 10:23 |
| bullet` | i know will have to spend a lot of money but totally worth it | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: new macbook pros are going to come out | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: it's a bad time to buy -- you won't get good value for money | 10:24 |
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| bullet` | but since i do the dvelopment in windows, i cant give it up totally. | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | wait for the new ones to come out, and then buy refurbished | 10:24 |
| bullet` | yea i have heard that somewhere, maybe engadget .. will wait for them | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | you can get 10-40% off | 10:24 |
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| bullet` | how long have u been using yours ? | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: Don't forget that there's bootcamp, which allows you to boot windows natively as well | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | 6 months | 10:25 |
| bullet` | yea | 10:25 |
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| crashanddie | But I can't expect a windows vm not to run smoothly | 10:25 |
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| bullet` | any fears about battery ? will it run for like 2 years ?? its not replaceabl right ? | 10:25 |
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| crashanddie | Well, 6 months down the line and i still get 7hours out of mine | 10:26 |
| bullet` | cool | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | and if it breaks, I'll replace it... Whether I have to go to an apple store or not for that doesn't change much | 10:26 |
| bullet` | what about the new mbps, is the battery repleaceable ? | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | nope | 10:26 |
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| bullet` | aha | 10:27 |
| bullet` | but its safe to assume that the battery should last like 2 years .. so many ppl r using this stuff. | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | pretty much | 10:28 |
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| crashanddie | bullet`: I only have the 13" one though | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: the 2.6Ghz one or whatever it is | 10:30 |
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| crashanddie | I upgrade the RAM myself, went from 2GB to 8GB (the prices from Apple are mad) | 10:30 |
| bullet` | aha | 10:31 |
| bullet` | so i should get the lowest ram available and than buy my own | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | oh no | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | you used non apple ram? | 10:31 |
| bullet` | so how muchw as the 8gb extra, did u sale the 2gb u had ? | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | that's blasphemy | 10:32 |
| crashanddie | nha, gave it to a friend | 10:32 |
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| crashanddie | I don't remember the price | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | what's mounting sd card in n900? | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | ke-recv | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: I think I paid $220 per 4GB chip | 10:33 |
| mece | question, why do people buy the iPad? | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: so $440 in total, whereas from Apple it was like $1000 or something | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: that's still cheaper than server memory | 10:33 |
| bullet` | hmm | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: and? It just wasn't part of my budget | 10:34 |
| bullet` | i'll suffice with 4 gb i guess :) | 10:35 |
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| crashanddie | You can run 2VMs with 2GB | 10:35 |
| crashanddie | I just give each VM 512MB | 10:36 |
| bullet` | crashanddie, when mac os boots and ready to start doing stuff, how much ram is it taking at that time , generally ? | 10:36 |
| crashanddie | I have a few apps running in the background | 10:36 |
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| crashanddie | usually with Skype, browser and such, I'm around 500-700 | 10:37 |
| crashanddie | when it just boots, probably 300 | 10:37 |
| bullet` | thats pretty nice | 10:37 |
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| crashanddie | bullet`: you can run most OSs with 256MB of RAM | 10:39 |
| crashanddie | if you want to use it comfortably, 512, if you need to run memory intensive stuff, 768 or 1024 | 10:39 |
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| bullet` | yea i have tried several times, windows on windows .. | 10:40 |
| bullet` | it was ok .. | 10:40 |
| bullet` | but yes depends on what u wanna do and so adjust the ram accordingly | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | bullet`: where do you live? | 10:41 |
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| bullet` | well these days, i'm in east timor | 10:42 |
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| crashanddie | where the hell is that? Country/ | 10:43 |
| bullet` | hehe | 10:43 |
| bullet` | umm | 10:43 |
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| bullet` | its used to be a part of indonesia | 10:43 |
| bullet` | got independence in 2002 | 10:43 |
| crashanddie | oh wow | 10:43 |
| crashanddie | ok | 10:43 |
| bullet` | first country of 21rst century | 10:43 |
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| crashanddie | most recent country/ | 10:44 |
| bullet` | its a pretty small island, near indonesia | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | ? | 10:44 |
| bullet` | yea | 10:44 |
| bullet` | its 600km from darwin/australia | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | well, I don't know how pricing is there, but I used to live in the UK, and bought my mbp in the US | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | Paid about half price | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | well, maybe a tad more, but really, massive price difference | 10:44 |
| ptl | east timor? So you speak portuguese? Então você sabe português, bullet`? Costuma acessar fóruns de N900 brasileiros? | 10:45 |
| bullet` | well i cant find anything here for sure, i can pick up the laptop from singapore or indonesia, or maybe ask a friend coming from usa to get me mbp15 | 10:45 |
| bullet` | hehe, no ptl i am not a local here | 10:45 |
| timeless_mbp | wow | 10:45 |
| ptl | oh, sorry then | 10:45 |
| bullet` | just trying to learn some stuff | 10:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | my kernel_task uses 1.08gb :) | 10:46 |
| bullet` | portugese is official language here but the locals speak Tatum | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | ptl: no, he's not used to going to the brasilian n900 forums you're an admin of :P | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | my browser tends to use ~600mb | 10:46 |
| ptl | crashanddie: I am not admin of any forum | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | my irc client tends to use ~400mb | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | EH? | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | 400mb on IRC? | 10:46 |
| ptl | I usually try hard to stay as an user | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | wtf | 10:46 |
| ptl | administering things steals your time. | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: what do you use? | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | my indexer (like tracker) [Quicksilver] uses 150mb | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: atm, ZFS, Caminio, Adium, Quicksilver | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure ZFS is the reason my kernel is using >1gb of ram | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: I don't have that much running, littlesnitch, macirssi, and that's about it :) | 10:47 |
| * ptl is using irssi + irssi-proxy on server and kvirc on client | 10:48 | |
| crashanddie | macirssi uses something like 30mb I think | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | how many channels? | 10:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 33 tabs in 4 windows, from 4 networks including 6 tabs for servers | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | 17 channels | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | adium (when it isn't crashing, or updating) is kinda nice | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | it has useful highlighting, and works w/ growl | 10:51 |
| bullet` | what do u do on so many channels ? | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it draws a 'you stopped reading here' line and shows me where others poked me | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | bullet`: 17 is really not many at all | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | one network is for casual chat | 10:52 |
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| bullet` | i'm a noob so i have only 2 channel windows opn :) | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | actually 3 networks, sorry | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | one network is for work purposes | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | split into primary dev, backchannel, secondary dev, tertiary dev, monitoring | 10:53 |
| bullet` | just bcuz of n900, i started using irc | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | this network is a couple public chats maemo/meego, plus a dev channel | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the last network is for standards work | 10:53 |
| timeless_mbp | in 3 areas iirc | 10:54 |
| bullet` | standards mean | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | w3 | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | things like html, css, ... | 10:54 |
| ptl | timeless: doesn't it pay to use some bnc or irssi-proxy if adium crashes that much? This way you would still use adium but would not lose your session | 10:54 |
| * timeless_mbp points to timeless | 10:54 | |
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| bullet` | aha | 10:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if i need a little scrollback, timeless has it :) | 10:54 |
| ptl | ircii epic | 10:55 |
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| ptl | might be nice but it doesn't have the proxying of irssi ;) | 10:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: yep, running one of those | 10:55 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 10:55 | |
| ptl | try it | 10:55 |
| ptl | I couldn't believe I used irssi for so many years without actually knowing about irssi-proxy | 10:56 |
| ptl | you just join the network and channels you need | 10:56 |
| Anss| | wondering what n will reveal in 3 minutes: http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/ | 10:56 |
| ptl | do a /save layout, /load proxy, set up some basic stuff (ports and passwords) | 10:56 |
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| ptl | and then you can use your irssi as an IRC server | 10:56 |
| ptl | it works transparently through every IRC client | 10:56 |
| bullet` | is there any public http proxy for accessing freenode channels ? | 10:56 |
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| jacekowski | irc isn't going to work over http proxy | 10:57 |
| ptl | might work | 10:57 |
| ptl | X-Chat can do IRC via http proxy | 10:58 |
| bullet` | hmm | 10:58 |
| Anss| | ssh tunnel somewhere might do the trick | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | just use screen | 10:58 |
| ptl | I don't know how it does that. | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | screen + irssi | 10:58 |
| Shapeshifter | or weechat. | 10:58 |
| ptl | yep | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ptl: oh, i know it exists | 10:58 |
| timeless_mbp | bullet`: webchat.freenode.net ? | 10:58 |
| bullet` | but i need a public http proxy to use it xchat .. cuz from my home i cant access ip:port, its kind of a restriction , so if i cant specify some http procy, maybe i can chat from it | 10:58 |
| bullet` | yes i have tried that .. its good | 10:59 |
| * timeless_mbp was very impressed by it | 10:59 | |
| bullet` | but i was thinking if i can power xchat with some proxy at home | 10:59 |
| bullet` | yea pretty neat and fast | 10:59 |
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| Anss| | hm | 11:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | lol fail | 11:01 |
| Shapeshifter | what an uber-impressive surprise this was. | 11:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 11:02 |
| Shapeshifter | http://events.nokia.com/everyoneconnect/ the count down ended 3 minutes ago | 11:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm impressed | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | they managed to find articulate people | 11:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't know nokia could do that! | 11:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | hey, look, you can have contacts on your home screen | 11:08 |
| Shapeshifter | isn't that something | 11:08 |
| SpeedEvil2 | I want contacts on my homescreen! (So I can plug in a trackpoint) | 11:09 |
| Anss| | not big wow moment but still | 11:09 |
| Anss| | looks pretty ok devices all together | 11:09 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:09 | |
| timeless_mbp | finns suck | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | Anss|: some offense intended | 11:10 |
| visz | o_O | 11:10 |
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| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: countdown to pr1.2? | 11:10 |
| timeless_mbp | "pretty ok" is not English | 11:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | and "all together" is probably wrong. perhaps "all in all" | 11:12 |
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| Anss| | timeless_mbp, thank you for your opinion | 11:12 |
| timeless_mbp | (or just overall) | 11:12 |
| Treibholz | remote commands would be so cool for telepathy. | 11:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | "stick tongue out at user" | 11:14 |
| timeless_mbp | [remotely] | 11:14 |
| Treibholz | forwarding messages for example. | 11:14 |
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| wired | ok guys my n900 won't boot anymore :P it turns on, shows nokia logo, the bullets loading screen then turns black (but keeps running, i can tell cause if i hold the power button it powers off). is there any way i could salvage it without flashing it? | 11:19 |
| ptl | try using rd mode | 11:20 |
| ptl | sometimes it helps. | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | wired: you shouldn't have tried to overclock it | 11:21 |
| wired | it was not overclocked | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | bs | 11:21 |
| wired | jacekowski: oh come on | 11:21 |
| ptl | lol | 11:21 |
| wired | lol | 11:21 |
| wired | i indeed use it oc'd occasionally | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | do you want me to grep logs for wired and overclock? | 11:21 |
| wired | but i use the titan kernel | 11:22 |
| wired | so on boot its not ocd | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | at your own i'd say | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:22 |
| wired | blah i wish i could boot in console and see whats happening | 11:22 |
| Treibholz | can I somehow configure the activesync-thing to not notify me on new mails in subfolders? | 11:22 |
| wired | this happened after a kernel upgrade so im guessing something went wrong there | 11:23 |
| ptl | jacekowski: do you plan on making further improvements and adaptations in chromium for the N900? I think that's pretty much the general expectation | 11:23 |
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| jacekowski | ptl: yeah, the problem is that on my hardware it takes like 5h to build it | 11:23 |
| ptl | wow | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | ptl: but i'll have new server today or tomorrow | 11:23 |
| ptl | well, I should have known, chromium is a big beast | 11:23 |
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| wired | jacekowski: try using distcc (localy) it helps | 11:24 |
| jacekowski | ptl: well, on maemo builder it's 20minutes | 11:24 |
| ptl | oh | 11:24 |
| Treibholz | webkit needs a huge amout of RAM and disk to build. | 11:24 |
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| jacekowski | but i'll have http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/eg_best_of.xml | 11:24 |
| jacekowski | today | 11:24 |
| wired | jacekowski: in my arm gentoo chroot (on an i5) it went down from 2h22m to 51m with distcc :) | 11:25 |
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| jacekowski | distcc? | 11:25 |
| jacekowski | why would you use it on single machine | 11:25 |
| wired | because the chroot emulates arm gcc | 11:26 |
| wired | thats ugly | 11:26 |
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| wired | if you send all the compiling to a native gcc that crosscompiles to arm | 11:26 |
| wired | you get huge speed increases | 11:26 |
| wired | ;) | 11:26 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | Is it that small? | 11:30 |
| SpeedEvil2 | down to 40% that is | 11:30 |
| SpeedEvil2 | I would have expected compiling natively to be several hundred percent faster | 11:31 |
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| mortal | why is my n800 battery discharging so rapidly | 11:32 |
| mortal | like 2 days | 11:32 |
| mortal | idle | 11:32 |
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| till- | because it's old? | 11:32 |
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| mortal | new | 11:33 |
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| wired | SpeedEvil2: well there's still overhead, the configure phase has to be done by the chroot for one | 11:34 |
| SpeedEvil2 | because it's a cheap knock-off from ebay? | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil2 | wired: hmm. I suppose it oesn't take that long before that starts to dominate. | 11:35 |
| SpeedEvil2 | wired: working out where the time goes - bootchart? and optimising that might be interesting. For example - you don't need cat to run as arm | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 11:36 |
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| * SpeedEvil2 notes the evil daystar has in fact just woken him up. | 11:37 | |
| * Treibholz was happy, to find out, new batteries for the N900 aren't expensive. Mine will be down in a year (at the latest) | 11:37 | |
| SpeedEvil2 | Treibholz: ? | 11:38 |
| SpeedEvil2 | Treibholz: you mean non-genuine ones? | 11:38 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil2: genuine, 12€ | 11:38 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | Treibholz: are you sure that's actually real - it just doesn't have 'genuine' printed on the battery? | 11:39 |
| Treibholz | http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001O5ES0S/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i2?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=13ASPCVDDCJP2DQTMB9B&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375193&pf_rd_i=301128 | 11:39 |
| nid0 | theres no real guarantee it's genuine, and for that price i'd suggest it isnt | 11:39 |
| mtrlt | yea right. :D | 11:39 |
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| mtrlt | two reviews, both 1 star | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | 447M chrome | 11:40 |
| mtrlt | i'd bet it's a cheap chinese copy | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | one single 447M binary | 11:40 |
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| jacekowski | if i compile it with -g option | 11:40 |
| SpeedEvil2 | jacekowski: lol. | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | and don't strip | 11:40 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | jacekowski: It'd be amusing to see if that started. | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | it does | 11:41 |
| SpeedEvil2 | :) | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | in gdb | 11:41 |
| Treibholz | hmpf.... ok... | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | linux kernel is clever enough to just mmap that file without loading it | 11:41 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just wondering how strip would shrink it | 11:42 |
| bullet` | later everyone | 11:42 |
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| jacekowski | 35M chrome | 11:43 |
| jacekowski | 35M after stripping | 11:43 |
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| SpeedEvil2 | Bring back lzexe! | 11:45 |
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| jacekowski | ptl: what happened to you nick? | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | ptl: pr1.2 is released? | 11:47 |
| ptl | jacekowski: no | 11:47 |
| ptl | jacekowski: you can say I'm giving up. | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | you can't give up on your dreams | 11:47 |
| ptl | jacekowski: will try another venues. Announced my N900 on ebay | 11:48 |
| ptl | ok, just kidding. :) | 11:48 |
| ptl | It's just that ptl is registered, ptl_demands_PR12 not | 11:48 |
| SpeedEvil2 | My clock does not drip down the screen! I'm selling my n900! Dalibreaker. | 11:49 |
| cos^ | does anyone happen to know if LibLocation's reported speed is really in km/h in Maemo5? in Maemo4 it's in m/s | 11:49 |
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| ptl | jacekowski: ptl_wants_Nokia_to_have_a_clue it too big for freenode | 11:50 |
| cos^ | sounds like a pretty stupid api change, as m/s is the standard unit for velocity | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | cos^: double speed; Current speed (km/h). | 11:50 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html | 11:50 |
| Scelt | ptl: as konttori is on the paternity leave, no one does anything about pr1.2 | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | cos^: Seems odd to me too btw ;) | 11:51 |
| konttori | Scelt: what do you mean? | 11:52 |
| * lcuk thinks Scelt is wrong | 11:52 | |
| X-Fade | konttori: He wants a scoop ;) | 11:52 |
| Scelt | konttori: you're not spaking the people there :D | 11:52 |
| Scelt | spanking | 11:52 |
| cos^ | another useless #ifdef between maemo 4 and 5 :-/ | 11:52 |
| konttori | oh, yeah, I am not, except as a normal hacker/community member. | 11:52 |
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| ptl | ok | 11:52 |
| konttori | emilia is sleeping atm, so I am coding. | 11:52 |
| Scelt | :] | 11:53 |
| ptl | if you're from Nokia (I never know), please, guys. PR1.2 is important... release it. There's just too much frustration around it right now | 11:53 |
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| ptl | Just trying to help, now I'll return to my studies of the maemo5 environment. | 11:53 |
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| X-Fade | ptl: And you think that people working on it don't know that? | 11:53 |
| konttori | well, I am not even reading my nokia emails, so personally, I have no idea about the pr1.2 release status. | 11:53 |
| ptl | X-Fade: seems like they don't know 'hard enough', I dunno. | 11:53 |
| konttori | (and I want to keep it that way ;) ) | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | ptl: Do you really think that Nokia has it sitting on the shelf and waits just to piss you off? :) | 11:54 |
| ptl | no, it must have its internal reasons | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | each time people speak of pr1.2, it gets delayed one more day | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 11:54 |
| ptl | but they should nevertheless increase the priority. | 11:54 |
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| Scelt | konttori: how about ovi maps 3 for N900? is it in progress at all? | 11:55 |
| ptl | Stskeeps: the tmo topic keeps growing and growing... this way PR1.2 release schedule will outgrow the cold death of the universe | 11:55 |
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| ptl | s/outgrow/outlive/ | 11:56 |
| infobot | ptl meant: Stskeeps: the tmo topic keeps growing and growing... this way PR1.2 release schedule will outlive the cold death of the universe | 11:56 |
| konttori | to be honest, I am not exactly sure. They were working on it to some degree, but I wasn't exactly certain that did they decide to halt the development or not. It's part of the applications teams work, so I didn't pay too much attention to that, as I don't use it myself. | 11:56 |
| ptl | out-whatever | 11:56 |
| ptl | outage? | 11:56 |
| konttori | is that uninformative enough? In theory, they are doing their app with web runtime, so it should be the same app for all nokia platforms, so, ... anyway, you can email simone.leggio@nokia.com to ask. He's heading the applications team for n900. | 11:57 |
| ptl | she'll respond "Nokia doesn't announce release dates" | 11:58 |
| konttori | (or whatever the official term is... I suppose coach in these 'agile' days) | 11:58 |
| ptl | but I thought it should be in testing stage by now. Are they still applying the fixes? | 11:58 |
| Scelt | konttori: okay, thanks! | 11:59 |
| konttori | actually, it's he. | 11:59 |
| konttori | (and not she) | 11:59 |
| ptl | sorry, "he" then | 11:59 |
| ptl | it's just that Simone is a lady's name in my country | 11:59 |
| Scelt | I thought so too :P | 11:59 |
| konttori | Nokia Maps is developed completely by the nokia maps team, which does it for all platforms, so we have quite limited interaction with those guys. | 12:00 |
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| konttori | And simone is the maemo contact person for nokia maps. | 12:01 |
| Scelt | and I think that they have some higher priorities for new s60 phones. launching new supported phones all the time | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: s60 team is also bigger though | 12:01 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: there's one team doing all the maps dev | 12:02 |
| konttori | well, otoh, they are doing cross platform development, so that should not matter so much. | 12:02 |
| konttori | that's the beauty of qt and wrt. | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: true | 12:02 |
| Scelt | konttori: one hell of a jump in development | 12:03 |
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| MiXu- | Maps on S60 is pretty good, so I'm wondering what the hell went wrong with Maps for Maemo. | 12:03 |
| MiXu- | With the UI mostly | 12:03 |
| ptl | Nothing went wrong | 12:03 |
| ptl | they just have to reprogram it | 12:03 |
| ptl | not so easy, I think | 12:03 |
| ptl | lots of such code is dependent on UI | 12:03 |
| konttori | I think s60 maps is not yet based on wrt. | 12:03 |
| MiXu- | The UI is not intuitive at all. | 12:03 |
| konttori | while maemo ui is. anyway, as said, I have no clue what they are doing really. | 12:04 |
| Scelt | just ircing and gettig paid :D | 12:04 |
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| hrw | hi | 12:04 |
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| Scelt | work work work.... wirk wirk wirk... irc irc irc... | 12:04 |
| ptl | bork bork bork | 12:05 |
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| Scelt | ovi maps should have come to older s60 phones too but I doubt that. Older customers are awfully often just forgotten | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | why that https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ is forcing https | 12:06 |
| hrw | Scelt: many users of older s60 phones runs warez copy of ovi maps instead | 12:07 |
| hrw | Scelt: license protection for ovi maps 3.x was broken over year ago | 12:07 |
| Scelt | hrw: dunno. I bought the license two times. great app which I wanted to support | 12:07 |
| hrw | Scelt: I got free month license and stay with tomtom device | 12:07 |
| Scelt | I never bought tom tom or similar. ovi maps 3 was just fine | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | yeah, it's nice to have satnav in a phone | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | but i'm using tomtom in car | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | it has better speaker | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | windscreen mount | 12:08 |
| hrw | jacekowski: fresher maps | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | ( my windscreen has cracked couple days ago ) | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | well, no | 12:09 |
| hrw | iq routes and few other nice things which ovi maps did not had | 12:09 |
| Scelt | ovi maps were really up-to-date | 12:09 |
| mtrlt | who wants to look at the tiny monitor of a phone to navigate? | 12:09 |
| Scelt | I don't look at the monitor | 12:09 |
| mtrlt | in that case. :) | 12:10 |
| nid0 | who looks at the monitor while driving anyway, thats what voice guidance is for | 12:10 |
| Scelt | but I must admit that I never used the navigation in a place that I really know nothing about | 12:10 |
| ptl | I tried to navigate yesterday using Sygic and the FM transmitter. Didn't work very well | 12:10 |
| hrw | Scelt: what pissed me off from ovi maps was very often recalculating of road | 12:10 |
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| hrw | Scelt: it recalculated when I stopped on red light and then recalculated 5 meters later | 12:11 |
| Scelt | hrw: ovi maps 2 did that but 3 solved all the problems I had with 2. left nothing to complain | 12:11 |
| hrw | Scelt: ovi maps3 | 12:11 |
| Scelt | not with me | 12:11 |
| Scelt | you got the monday version | 12:11 |
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| jacekowski | builder is broken | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | again | 12:11 |
| hrw | Scelt: which s60 phone? s60v3fp1 or s60v3fp2 or s60v5? | 12:11 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: what's up? | 12:11 |
| Scelt | hrw: N82. I think fp1 | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | btw. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-maemo_2.6.28-maemo22/ | 12:11 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: i've sent something to build and it's still in queue | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: which one? | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: do you have highlight for builder and broken? | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | cgdb | 12:12 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: it helps if you upload the tarball too. | 12:15 |
| X-Fade | Only diff and .dsc are in your .changes ;) | 12:15 |
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| jacekowski | dput failed | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: check your .changes. | 12:16 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: It is not in there either. | 12:16 |
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| sECuRE | hrw: my ovi maps doesn’t recalculate routes at all. do i have to enable that? | 12:17 |
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| hrw | no idea, I left my s60 phone in decembber | 12:17 |
| sECuRE | ah, so you were not talking about the maemo version | 12:17 |
| hrw | sECuRE: maemo version of ovi maps is useless crap | 12:19 |
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| sECuRE | yep, that’s what i think, too | 12:19 |
| hrw | paper map is much better | 12:20 |
| hrw | too bad that there is no demo version of sygic maps | 12:20 |
| MiXu- | Yes, it's a shame. | 12:21 |
| MiXu- | Sygic is pretty good for car use | 12:21 |
| jacekowski | if you have something to hold your phone | 12:21 |
| jacekowski | and for that price you can buy dedicated tomtom | 12:22 |
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| MiXu- | Huh? For 59e? | 12:22 |
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| MiXu- | The cheapest tomtom I found with quick googling was 108,90e | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | you go to any shop here | 12:24 |
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| jacekowski | and it's about 90 quid | 12:24 |
| jacekowski | and includes in car charger | 12:24 |
| jacekowski | windscreen mount | 12:24 |
| jacekowski | better speaker | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | Cheap GPSes mean outlay for N900 car mount and Sygic probably isn't worth it for my occasional use. | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | Will stick with Wayfinder on N810 for now | 12:24 |
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| MiXu- | I have a windscreen mount that cost me 11 euros. | 12:24 |
| Jaffa | jacekowski: Probably faster fix when you don't have a data connection | 12:25 |
| Lynoure | Cheap GPSes are less handy for cycling than N900 with good maps would be. | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | tomtom have same maps everywhere | 12:25 |
| MiXu- | Sygic also has walking/cycling routing. I haven't tried that yet, but I know it's there. | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: have you thought about displaying live progress somewhere? | 12:26 |
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| MiXu- | I'm just saying that you don't actually need an additional device for navigation. :) | 12:27 |
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| jacekowski | MiXu-: yeah, it's usefull to take a look at map or something | 12:27 |
| MiXu- | I know there are devices that do the job slightly better than N900+Sygic. | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | but it's not in car navigation | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: In this case it doesn't matter as your source is broken? | 12:28 |
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| jacekowski | fixed i it now | 12:29 |
| jacekowski | s/\ i// | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Yes, looks better. | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, builds get picked up every 2 minutes and can run up to 8 in parallel. | 12:30 |
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| jacekowski | what's used for it? | 12:31 |
| jacekowski | buildd? | 12:31 |
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| X-Fade | sbdmock on the builder and buildme for build queue processing. | 12:31 |
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| jacekowski | repository imports are done every 2 minutes as well? | 12:32 |
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| X-Fade | imports are done every 2 mins yes. | 12:34 |
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| alexj_ | http://bug.corp.yahoo.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3574151 | 12:46 |
| povbot | Bug 3574151: was not found. | 12:46 |
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| wired | ok | 12:47 |
| wired | fiasco+emmc fixed it | 12:47 |
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| wired | thankfully i didn't lose much, i only had one [recent] config file not backed up, but its fresh in memory :) | 12:48 |
| Shapeshifter | mh, I can't seem to manage to install extensions in chromium. I tap "install" and it just scrolls to the top of the page and nothing happens | 12:48 |
| ptl | wired: you had to erase your emmc to fix the N900 boot issue? | 12:49 |
| wired | yes unfortunately | 12:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh now it worked | 12:50 |
| wired | but i did manage to backup everything from mydocs | 12:50 |
| wired | since usb storage mode worked :) | 12:50 |
| ptl | cool. | 12:51 |
| * GAN900 yawns and complains about the TSA making him get up early for the airport. | 12:51 | |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: They allow you to fly? | 12:51 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, I guess we'll find out when I get there. ;) | 12:52 |
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| * GAN900 doubts Delta would check with the TSA before taking somebody's money. | 12:52 | |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Expected you to be on all kinds of no-fly lists :) | 12:52 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, you see the cloak bug? | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Yes, will do that. | 12:53 |
| hrw | ~die maemo, die | 12:54 |
| * infobot murders maemo, die, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... | 12:54 | |
| Stskeeps | that's rude | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:54 |
| * wired mental note - beware of kernel updates | 12:54 | |
| hrw | Stskeeps: it is rather too simple die sequence for it | 12:55 |
| hrw | wired: n900? | 12:55 |
| wired | hrw: yeap | 12:55 |
| hrw | wired: so far there were no official kernel updates for n900 | 12:55 |
| wired | i did not say official | 12:55 |
| wired | :> | 12:55 |
| hrw | wired: I do not use unofficial ones - except mine ;) | 12:56 |
| wired | heh | 12:56 |
| wired | yes thats probably what i should be doing as well | 12:56 |
| wired | i was using the one in the repo | 12:56 |
| wired | it updated today and boom | 12:56 |
| wired | no boot | 12:56 |
| jacekowski | rootfs 227.9M 224.3M 0 100% / | 12:57 |
| ptl | ~die himself, ressurrect on the third day then goes on writing a large book about PR1.2 revelations, but | 12:57 |
| * infobot murders himself, ressurrect on the third day then goes on writing a large book about PR1.2 revelations, but, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless... | 12:57 | |
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| wired | jacekowski: you have to love that... happened to me as well :P | 12:57 |
| ptl | never happened to me, lalalalala | 12:58 |
| hrw | wired: but you can flash just kernel so no worry | 12:58 |
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| wired | hrw: tried, didn't work | 12:58 |
| wired | hrw: tried fiasco alone, didn't work | 12:58 |
| wired | tried a bunch of other stuff that didn't work before that | 12:58 |
| wired | in the end i flashed fiasco+emmc and it booted | 12:59 |
| ptl | what's ~/MyDocs/cities/diskcache used for? it's huge | 12:59 |
| hrw | ptl: ovi craps | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | geotagging maybe | 12:59 |
| lcuk | ptl, some sort of diskcache for the maps ;) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | ptl: cached maps | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive | 12:59 |
| hrw | s/craps/maps | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | that's hhuge | 12:59 |
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| wired | meh i wish i could boot gentoo on this with everything working | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | and i suspect that it contains locale for all languages | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | wired: i'm never going back to gentoo | 13:00 |
| crashanddie_ | wired: well, ready for some 20 years of compilation? | 13:00 |
| ptl | I have ran ovi maps 3 or 4 times only since I bought the N900 | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | everything took to long to install | 13:00 |
| wired | i love gentoo | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | it's slow | 13:00 |
| crashanddie_ | I loved Gentoo with a passion, but seriously, having to manually remove the masks of unstable packages, never again | 13:00 |
| ptl | can't imagine why this directory is so large | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: autounmask | 13:00 |
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| wired | crashanddie_: no, i already have a gentoo chroot on the n900, i built it on my i5 | 13:00 |
| wired | and i use ~, stable is for servers | 13:00 |
| wired | =] | 13:01 |
| crashanddie_ | wired: so, only took 10 hours? | 13:01 |
| crashanddie_ | for 0 performance gain? | 13:01 |
| wired | i don't care about performance | 13:01 |
| crashanddie_ | finally | 13:01 |
| wired | i care about knowing what the heck is going on with my system | 13:01 |
| wired | :) | 13:01 |
| crashanddie_ | finally someone who understands gentoo | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | well, i've tried different combinations | 13:01 |
| crashanddie_ | wired: you just gave me confidence in the human race again | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | and gentoo is faster | 13:01 |
| dragon900 | wired: have you tried gentoo prefix? | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | but only because of one reason | 13:02 |
| wired | and i enjoy the way gentoo works | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | stock kernel in most of distributions is bloated | 13:02 |
| wired | dragon900: no, not yet anyway | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | and that's where most of performance is lost | 13:02 |
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| wired | dragon900: i guess i should at some point | 13:02 |
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| dragon900 | i set gentoo prefix up on my n900 today | 13:03 |
| wired | crashanddie_: i also like use flags and ebuilds are really easy and fun to write =] | 13:03 |
| dragon900 | even with distcc, emerge is really slow :( | 13:03 |
| wired | expected | 13:04 |
| wired | create a gentoo/arm chroot on a fast system | 13:04 |
| wired | using qemu-user | 13:04 |
| wired | and build binpackages | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | dragon900: paludis | 13:04 |
| wired | lol | 13:04 |
| wired | that won't get him past the configure phases faster | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | and emerge "recently" became faster | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | wired: but emerge is awfully slow on calculating dependencie | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | s | 13:05 |
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| wired | was | 13:05 |
| wired | its ok now, unless you override eclasses | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | when did it changed? | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | it was awfully slow 2 years ago | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | and 3 years ago | 13:06 |
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| jacekowski | and 4 years ago | 13:06 |
| wired | well | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | so i doubt anything has changed | 13:06 |
| wired | im only using gentoo for 2 years this june | 13:06 |
| wired | and developing for it since last july, but it did improve vastly at some point :) | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | int a=1; a=a<<8; printf("%d",a) | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | 256 or 0? | 13:08 |
| lcuk | 256 | 13:09 |
| visz | 0? | 13:09 |
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| jacekowski | it's either << or >> | 13:09 |
| dragon900 | 256 | 13:10 |
| lcuk | also jacekowski it wont compile | 13:10 |
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| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# gcc test.c | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# ./a.out | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | 256 | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | well it compiles on x86 | 13:13 |
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| lcuk | wow, a c compiler that doesnt care about putting things in functions or semi colons :p | 13:14 |
| wall[e] | hi, can you format MyDocs to ext3 or something? | 13:14 |
| wall[e] | is it safe to do that? | 13:14 |
| ptl | you have to modify mmc-mount for that | 13:15 |
| ptl | and it will break when you update. | 13:15 |
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| ptl | so, use the definition of 'safe' you like better. :) | 13:15 |
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| wall[e] | lol ok | 13:16 |
| wall[e] | thanks. | 13:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I shrunk mydocs to 4g and put another ext3 partition in the space | 13:17 |
| ptl | I am bzip2-tarring my ~user | 13:20 |
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| ptl | 1.3GB so far... excluding some movies and my mp3 | 13:20 |
| ptl | s/mp3/mp3s | 13:20 |
| ptl | so I can do more audacious stunts with my N900. | 13:21 |
| wall[e] | cool, good ideas thank! | 13:22 |
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| ptl | jacekowski: Unix jargon for assigning a mount point (a directory) for some drive/partition and making it available | 13:29 |
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| noobn900 | hello everyone. I am new to linux and just got my n900. I plugged in the USB cable, it asked me if I wanted to go into MASS STORAGE MODE, I said yes. Then I copied some files over, now I unmounted the device off linux pc, but how do I get the phone to "get out of MASS STORAGE MODE?" it's still showing USB Connected - Mass Storage Mode and I donm't want to just unplug it if there's something I can do to turn off mass storage mode on the n900 | 13:31 |
| frals | pretty sure you need to unplug it | 13:32 |
| TigerTael | Eject the USB device? | 13:32 |
| sECuRE | no, ejecting does not do anything | 13:34 |
| sECuRE | you need to re-plug | 13:34 |
| sECuRE | there is a ticket for that | 13:34 |
| noobn900 | sECuRE: thanks | 13:34 |
| TigerTael | why RE-PLUG it? | 13:34 |
| TigerTael | He wants to turn off mass storage mode. | 13:34 |
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| TigerTael | Didn't say he wants it back on or in a different mode. | 13:34 |
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| noobn900 | TigerTael: I figured I just unplug it and see. It's just I'm used to the G1 that used to ask you to get into some kind of usb storage mode, and when you were done you would go back and turn off the storage mode to be on the safe side. I guess n900 doesn't have that, you just unplug it once the n900 is unmounted from your connected pc. | 13:36 |
| pupnik | the umount should flush any write cache | 13:36 |
| noobn900 | pupnik: k, thanks. just wasn't sure, still new to this n900 but I already love it :D | 13:37 |
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| pupnik | cool | 13:37 |
| lcuk | noobn900, one question - are you, or have you ever been a monkey? | 13:38 |
| noobn900 | lcuk: monkey? | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: lol ;) | 13:38 |
| lcuk | its ok noobn900 :) theres a noobmonkey who comes in with his n900 ;) | 13:39 |
| noobn900 | lcuk: oh haha. I didn't know what nick to pick when entering this channel. I'm sure I'll be registering myself on maemo.org and on freenode soon to be a regular idler though | 13:40 |
| bullet` | hehe | 13:41 |
| bullet` | yea thats noovmonkey | 13:41 |
| lcuk | im sorry, you cannot idle | 13:41 |
| bullet` | noobmonkey | 13:41 |
| lcuk | space core directive 397 states | 13:41 |
| lcuk | any n00b must pull his weight | 13:42 |
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| noobape | how about that? :) | 13:42 |
| noobape | hm, that just looks wrong ...aka "no babe" (+typo?!) | 13:43 |
| * lcuk wanders off back to work muttering something derogatory about irc ;) | 13:43 | |
| * pupnik lcuk will let us know when he thinks it is time :) | 13:43 | |
| lcuk | time for? | 13:43 |
| noobape | anyways, good night ya'll. Thanks again for the pointers. Off to play some more with the n900 | 13:43 |
| pupnik | cheers have fun noobape | 13:43 |
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| * DocScrutinizer grumbles | 14:01 | |
| Stskeeps | moo | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | remoo | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | know I'm late on the 'paper' :-(( | 14:02 |
| jaska | no remoorse | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""Dear cutomer. Your device needs a send-in to Nokia for further processing"" >:-( | 14:03 |
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| GAN900 | Oops | 14:04 |
| bilboed-pi | anyone knows how to clear the dhcp cache ? | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so prepare for at least another two weeks of a evil-mooded DocScrutinizer | 14:05 |
| bilboed-pi | i.e. I want the device to get another ip | 14:05 |
| MiXu- | run "dhclient" from cli as root? | 14:06 |
| derf | bilboed-pi: What are you using for a dhcp server? | 14:06 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: what are you writing | 14:06 |
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| bilboed-pi | derf, no idea | 14:06 |
| bilboed-pi | derf, I'm talking about client side | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: that'S rather tricky, as DHCP-servers tend to keep IPs for MACs | 14:07 |
| bilboed-pi | fuck | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not the internets' DHCP servers though | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but your router for sure does | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | you should be able to try to get a new ip tho - bilboed-pi what do you need a new one for? | 14:08 |
| lcuk | have you used all the bits on your current one? | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:08 |
| MiXu- | :D | 14:09 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, no, it's just that sip is so much fail with this phone... that it didn't close the previous connection | 14:09 |
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| bilboed-pi | lcuk, ending up with... still receiving the incoming udp/rtp stuff | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for DSL / GPRS/3G oit's as simple as relogin | 14:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhahahaha | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: that should stop in max 5min | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather 2 minutes | 14:11 |
| bilboed-pi | nope | 14:11 |
| bilboed-pi | it's been over an hour | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | rogue far end | 14:11 |
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| bilboed-pi | I don't even understand why it's allowing the two udp connections | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | andway I gather it's about a public IP then. Just tear down and re-establish the connection to the internets | 14:12 |
| bilboed-pi | why can't it just kick it out | 14:12 |
| bilboed-pi | DocScrutinizer, I can't tear it down, company internet | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 14:13 |
| bilboed-pi | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh | 14:13 |
| lcuk | udp == connectionless | 14:13 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, you still get the point | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yep, but you'd get a new DHCP-lease | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: so I take it you're behind a NAT | 14:14 |
| bilboed-pi | yup | 14:14 |
| javispedro | moorning | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | i can see why bilboed-pi wants to change ip, but the problem is in whatever server is trying to continuously push data to a machine thats not even acking | 14:14 |
| GAN900 | Wee, hooray for backed-up Delta. | 14:15 |
| GAN900 | Direct flight my ass. | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, inbound UDP keeps the NAT sesssion alive | 14:15 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, I don't get why when calling again... it doesn't instruct the server to drop the other connection | 14:15 |
| bilboed-pi | s/it/SIP/ | 14:15 |
| infobot | bilboed-pi meant: lcuk, I don't get why when calling again... SIP doesn't instruct the server to drop the other connection | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: A SIP-conversation is bound to a unique ID, you can't cancel it by initiating a second conversation | 14:16 |
| javispedro | GAN900: flying to san francisco? | 14:16 |
| * bilboed-pi still doesn't get why it stays up for so long | 14:16 | |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 14:17 |
| javispedro | enjoy! :) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: technically it's not the SIP registrar or SIP-server that's spamming you, but the peer (probably gateway) | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's very little the registrar can do about it | 14:18 |
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| bilboed-pi | gah :( | 14:18 |
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| bilboed-pi | DocScrutinizer, but since I'm calling a landline... the gateway's owned by the SIP operator I guess | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, usually. still separate entities | 14:19 |
| lcuk | bilboed-pi, silly question, did the person on the other end of hte landline hang up | 14:19 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, I'm dialling into a conference server | 14:19 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, so it'll act dumb as shit forever | 14:19 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, hopefully, connecting in the most obnoxiously distant location possible for this flight | 14:19 |
| bilboed-pi | lcuk, looking through my logs it looks like those connections stay up 2 hours | 14:20 |
| javispedro | :) | 14:20 |
| javispedro | hope some of the slides will be up after the event | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: out of luck | 14:20 |
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| GAN900 | Seat request | 14:21 |
| * GAN900 shakes fist at Kaleva. | 14:21 | |
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| Rabidus | :O | 14:21 |
| ptl | is this some kind of greeting? | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | your client failed to tear down the connection correctly, now you probably lost the call 'handle'. Instruct conference telco provider to nuke the conference | 14:22 |
| lcuk | bilboed-pi, eep | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: or disconnect your PC from ethernet (or shut down) for some minutes, until your company's NAT decides to drop the session | 14:23 |
| bilboed-pi | DocScrutinizer, .... maybe I wasn't clear at the beginning | 14:24 |
| BCMM | my n900 is asking me for the WEP key for my 802.11 network, but it's a WPA network | 14:24 |
| bilboed-pi | DocScrutinizer, I'm using the n900 | 14:24 |
| BCMM | anyone else had this? | 14:24 |
| nid0 | have you tried giving it the key? | 14:25 |
| BCMM | nid0: yes, it quite reasonably complains that it isn't the right length for a WEP key | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: N900 is a subclass of PC anyway | 14:25 |
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| nid0 | beats me then, i've never had any problems with wpa access | 14:26 |
| BCMM | if i connect manually using xterm, will it recognise that it's supposed to use it as its internet connection? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | bilboed-pi: switch to 'flight-mode' for 10 minutes. Might cure it | 14:26 |
| koala_man | I hate to ask, but.. did you point at the wrong network? | 14:27 |
| BCMM | koala_man: thanks, i'll do it again carefully | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's fuckedup AP out there, that do 'dual mode' allowing WEP *plus* WPA un same SSID and network | 14:28 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ook, is that what "mixed" might mean on the router? | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES ;-P | 14:29 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: actually, not sure that's what it means | 14:29 |
| nid0 | nice idea, but routers that do that really should provide two ssid's | 14:30 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: options are disabled, mixed, b-only, g-only | 14:30 |
| nid0 | ah different | 14:30 |
| nid0 | thats just transmission modes | 14:30 |
| nid0 | nothing to do with the security in use | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so that's another mixed | 14:30 |
| BCMM | i know, different 802.11 standards | 14:30 |
| BCMM | still, might unconfuse something | 14:30 |
| javispedro | GAN900: facepalm on this ;) : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=607875#post607875 | 14:30 |
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| nid0 | the only time you might get confusion from transmission modes is if you have an -n capable router broadcasting on both 2.4 and 5ghz | 14:31 |
| nid0 | but even then the security method in use would be unrelated | 14:31 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, yeah, I did. . . . | 14:31 |
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| javispedro | and this is why we shouldn't use such attractive topic tiles :P | 14:32 |
| BCMM | nah, changing wireless standards doesn't make it recognise the WPA network | 14:32 |
| javispedro | maybe "request" would've been a more appropriate word. | 14:32 |
| TigerTael | turn off WEP? | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how do you get the nice links pointing to a particular post in the whole thread?? | 14:33 |
| BCMM | TigerTael: how do you mean? | 14:34 |
| BCMM | TigerTael: the router doesn't do WEP | 14:34 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: the link under the post number | 14:34 |
| nid0 | top right | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:34 |
| BCMM | it's doing WPA personal with TKIP | 14:34 |
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| BCMM | well, it can do wep, but certainly isn't | 14:34 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but that link goes directly to post instead of thread; replace showpost with showthread and add # and done. | 14:35 |
| BCMM | if i just set up the network connection manually, will it know to use it as an internet connection? | 14:35 |
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| nid0 | just a minor thought, is the router set to wpa or wpa2? | 14:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (or grab the full thread link from the single post view) | 14:35 |
| BCMM | nid0: that's odd, it's set to wpa | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: pfffuh, thought I'm losing my force | 14:35 |
| crashanddie_ | who's done some graphical app with python here? | 14:35 |
| BCMM | nid0: i don't know why that should be; but perhaps somebody had an obsolete laptop a while ago | 14:35 |
| ptl | LOL | 14:35 |
| ptl | LOLOLOL | 14:35 |
| BCMM | they certainly don't now | 14:36 |
| crashanddie_ | ptl: once more and you get kicked | 14:36 |
| ptl | best facepalm yet in TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49869&page=2 | 14:36 |
| nid0 | for the sake of trying, give wpa2 a try? I havent personally used wpa on my n900, every router I connect to's wpa2 | 14:36 |
| ptl | huh? | 14:36 |
| ptl | I was laughing from the TMO thread, crashanddie | 14:36 |
| BCMM | nid0: thanks a lot! | 14:36 |
| ptl | the guy confused the arrow for leaving fullscreen with the arrow for enabling mouse mode. | 14:37 |
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| BCMM | nid0: that makes a lot of sense; i can't see why they'd put a great deal of testing into that | 14:37 |
| nid0 | that actually fixed it? | 14:37 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: around? | 14:37 |
| BCMM | nid0: oh yes, i remember now - somebody had a stupid stupid laptop a few years ago taht wouldn't do wpa2 | 14:37 |
| BCMM | nid0: yeah | 14:37 |
| BCMM | well, it says it did | 14:37 |
| nid0 | hum | 14:37 |
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| nid0 | if it works fine with the router in wpa2 but not in wpa, i'd suggest filing a bug report, just so it's at least known about | 14:37 |
| nid0 | though as you say wpa isnt used much any more so it probably never got tested properly to begin with | 14:38 |
| Scelt | ptl: pr1.2 out+0 | 14:38 |
| BCMM | uh, maemo won't let me 'ping' as a normal user/ | 14:38 |
| BCMM | guess i'll have to use a web browser or something | 14:38 |
| crashanddie_ | BCMM: yes, that's normal | 14:38 |
| BCMM | oh wow, internet | 14:38 |
| BCMM | (it just arrived today) | 14:39 |
| BCMM | any idea if it's normal that i can't connect to the internet via 3g yet? | 14:39 |
| nid0 | if your sim's active you shouldnt have problems | 14:39 |
| BCMM | nid0: well, i made a phone call | 14:40 |
| BCMM | they are supposed to be moving my old number over though, and i don't think they've done that yet | 14:40 |
| lcuk | BCMM, some ISPs internet connection settings may be incorrect | 14:40 |
| BCMM | meh, perhaps there is just no reception here | 14:40 |
| lcuk | speak with the service provider about correct settings | 14:40 |
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| BCMM | any idea how to tell the difference between poor signal and just plain not working with the network? | 14:40 |
| nid0 | if you have signal and the connection icon just constantly flashes | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: you need any kind of dataplan for your SIM, plus correct APN settings | 14:41 |
| crashanddie_ | BCMM: poor signal: takes a long time to load, not working: doesn't load | 14:41 |
| nid0 | its probably a connection settings fault | 14:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: yeah, supposed to have an 'unlimited' data plan | 14:41 |
| BCMM | (scare quotes intended) | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: carrier? | 14:41 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: t-mobile | 14:42 |
| crashanddie_ | country? | 14:42 |
| BCMM | crashanddie_: UK | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody on UK t-mobile please psot the APN settings? | 14:44 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: there's a huge list of them if you google it | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: the idea of IRC partially is to help noobs with direct help, rather than telling them 'try the 5k hits in google - well, probably 90% are BS or don't apply to your case" | 14:45 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: wow, now that makes me want to help you now doesn't it? :) | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | help ME?? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll consider to help YOU pal ;-P | 14:46 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: may as it be for you, the other 90% of IRC is to make fun of noobs who come here and ask questions that have 5000 answers on Google | 14:46 |
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| koala_man | while the other 10% solves your problem | 14:46 |
| asj | koala_man: 6% | 14:47 |
| crashanddie_ | asj: 3% | 14:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | c'mon doc, say 1%, full circle! | 14:47 |
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| asj | koala_man: the other 3% give wrong answers, and 1% give you answers that destroy your system | 14:47 |
| crashanddie_ | BCMM: install maemo-devel and install Qt 4.6 | 14:48 |
| koala_man | still better than a lot of irc channels | 14:48 |
| crashanddie_ | will solve all your problems | 14:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | BCMM: it will even make your kids smell nice without them taking a bath. Heck, you'll smell nice without taking a shower. | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: sorry for the fools here, please come back when they finished their silly hour :-) | 14:49 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: when is that exactly? :) | 14:49 |
| crashanddie_ | /kick DocScrutinizer stop being such a buzzkill | 14:49 |
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| crashanddie_ | asj: when DocScrutinizer isn't around :P | 14:50 |
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| crashanddie_ | man he ain't coming back | 14:53 |
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| asj | do we all need to /invite him back? | 14:53 |
| crashanddie_ | you can't | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I'm always with you | 14:53 |
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| Ken-Young | Check for stigmata. | 14:54 |
| crashanddie_ | not _always_ | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | very refreshing. I'd recommend this to everybody feeling pissed by IRC ;-P | 14:56 |
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| pupnik | < DocScrutinizer> asj: the idea of IRC partially is to help noobs with direct help. | 14:56 |
| pupnik | true | 14:56 |
| asj | pupnik: are you mocking him or me? :) | 14:57 |
| crashanddie_ | he mocks himself | 14:57 |
| pupnik | neither | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | me of ourse | 14:57 |
| ptl | as I was saying | 14:57 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik is one of the rare auto-flagelating people on the planet | 14:57 |
| ptl | Scelt: no PR1.2, but thanks for the joke anyway :) | 14:57 |
| crashanddie_ | before him, we had jesus | 14:57 |
| Scelt | ptl: :-D | 14:57 |
| crashanddie_ | ptl: I can give you the opper power, if you wish to avenge yourself on Scelt | 14:58 |
| crashanddie_ | too late | 14:58 |
| ptl | crashanddie_: lol | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | dman, you've never seen those muslim mass madness? | 14:58 |
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| pupnik | sounds like a video game | 14:58 |
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| d14 | :)) | 14:58 |
| ptl | thanks :) | 14:58 |
| crashanddie_ | ptl: you're not kick enough | 14:58 |
| crashanddie_ | (hehe, saw what I did there?) | 14:59 |
| crashanddie_ | wordplay on kick and quick | 14:59 |
| ptl | yup | 14:59 |
| ptl | I tried to /deop myself as soon as I've seen the @ but chanserv was faster | 14:59 |
| crashanddie_ | That'd be interesting | 14:59 |
| crashanddie_ | if you could do anything in the channel | 14:59 |
| crashanddie_ | what would it be? | 14:59 |
| ptl | truth is, I never kick/ban anyone in channels... I've got quite burned on the notion of exclusion | 14:59 |
| ptl | I'd do nothing | 15:00 |
| crashanddie_ | let's see | 15:00 |
| crashanddie_ | ptl: nothing would include not deoping yourself | 15:00 |
| ptl | I value conversation if it involves trolling sometimes | 15:00 |
| ptl | ok | 15:00 |
| ptl | I would deop myself | 15:00 |
| ptl | as an exception to nothing :P | 15:00 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik: what would you do? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie_ | wwjd? What would Jaffa do? xD | 15:01 |
| Termana | What... would Jesus do? | 15:01 |
| ptl | Multiply fish and turn water into wine! | 15:01 |
| ptl | No, no | 15:01 |
| crashanddie_ | 22:01 <crashanddie_> op #maemo jesus | 15:01 |
| crashanddie_ | 22:01 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Jesus is not on #maemo. | 15:01 |
| ptl | he would do some miracle | 15:01 |
| Termana | I mean besides kick ban himself from earth | 15:01 |
| ptl | like making PR1.2 be released | 15:01 |
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| Stskeeps | what's with all the op/deopping? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | err | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:02 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 15:02 | |
| * MohammadAG mass kicks everyone :p | 15:03 | |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: -o Stskeeps | 15:03 | |
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| Stskeeps | no thanks, only people on access list should be added. | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, don't try to guess the command for that | 15:03 |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: kick them all! | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: actually that's not true | 15:03 |
| Termana | HA HA BITCHES STSKEEPS WAS QUICKER AT DEOPPING HIMSELF THEN YOU AT DEOPPING HIM | 15:03 |
| BCMM | hmm, does the map thing do directions? | 15:03 |
| crashanddie_ | Termana: actually, no one was trying | 15:03 |
| wired | it does | 15:03 |
| Termana | crashanddie_: Don't lie, you know you were typing the next command as fast as you could | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: it's perfectly best practice to temporarily op non-AL chan members | 15:04 |
| BCMM | wired: the option seems "greyed out" to me | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes, but is the threat level orange? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG | actually he could just press up and enter Termana | 15:04 |
| crashanddie_ | also [[Warning: CAPSLOCK from Termana@#maemo]] | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 15:04 |
| wired | BCMM: hmm maybe it depends on your location - it works in athens :) | 15:04 |
| * Stskeeps sighs and goes back to doing work | 15:04 | |
| BCMM | wired: there are three options at the bottom of ovi maps, places - routing - directions | 15:05 |
| BCMM | directions is greyed-out | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: seems yes, crashanddie_ going mad. We need all the joint effort of the whole chan to get him back on rail ;-P | 15:05 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: you can't do anything permanent really as far as I'm aware | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | so.. why's #maemo err different today | 15:05 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I didn't take my pills | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: 'going'? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 15:05 |
| crashanddie_ | actually, that is a good question, what happens if you ban me DocScrutinizer? | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | let's not go there.. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:06 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I can't CS my way out of it | 15:06 |
| ptl | you can unban yourself | 15:06 |
| Termana | crashanddie_: Question, do you ever take your pills? | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: nuttin | 15:06 |
| BCMM | hmm, what IRC client do you guys use on your phones? | 15:06 |
| wired | BCMM: use the routing option first | 15:06 |
| BCMM | and is there one in teh default install | 15:06 |
| wired | BCMM: i use xchat | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: you can't ban AL-members | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: xchat | 15:06 |
| ptl | BCMM: x-chat and irssi, tuned for connecting to my irssi proxy running on my personal server | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: sure you can :P | 15:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: try | 15:07 |
| BCMM | wired: hmm, internet suggests they charge for directions... | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it is fairly easy to unwind though | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, you just /cs unban #channel yourself | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: well, you can, but doesn't help | 15:07 |
| ptl | BCMM: there's also kvirc compiled for the N900, but it's not in the repositories and I've never tried it | 15:07 |
| javispedro | ah. a war! | 15:07 |
| wired | xchat over znc on my n900 and irssi on all my other systems | 15:07 |
| TigerTael | BCMM, the N900 doesn't currently have turn-by-turn navigation... | 15:07 |
| wired | BCMM: the service is free, the data isn't | 15:07 |
| ptl | TigerTael: it has on Sygic | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: a sad show of epenis'es | 15:07 |
| TigerTael | But Nokia have recently given all their GPS/map products free turn-by-turn... | 15:07 |
| Termana | Stskeeps: lol | 15:07 |
| TigerTael | ptl, that's not nokia. | 15:07 |
| wired | unless you're on wifi or a pretty dataplan :) | 15:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | lol... /cs clear #maemo users ->> Kicks all users from a channel. | 15:07 |
| TigerTael | BCMM, but the N900 map application has yet to be updated. | 15:08 |
| BCMM | TigerTael: ah, so i will get a line on the map like google maps, not "left here right here" like a garmin? | 15:08 |
| ptl | TigerTael: it isn't, but runs on the N900 | 15:08 |
| TigerTael | BCMM, correct. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think the procedure is you'll op yourself via cs, and ops won't suffer from bans | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, so does /mkick :) | 15:08 |
| TigerTael | ptl, I know, but Nokia is supposedly letting users have turn-by-turn for free now. | 15:08 |
| TigerTael | Only not on our N900's. | 15:08 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: isn't that client-based? | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if an op is banned he can't join | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | till he's unbanned | 15:08 |
| ptl | TigerTael: have a little patience | 15:08 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer: I believe you can get ChanServ to do auto unbanning if your on ChanServ's access list | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, not sure, never tried it except in a 2 user channel | 15:09 |
| TigerTael | ptl, I AM HAVING LOTS OF PATIENCE. | 15:09 |
| TigerTael | :) | 15:09 |
| Termana | err... he probably still has me on ignore :P | 15:09 |
| wired | lol | 15:09 |
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| TigerTael | ptl, BCMM was asking, not me. | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, I said the command :) | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not sure bout that. AIUI /cs unban is something different to a normal ban | 15:09 |
| TigerTael | I was merely stating the fact. | 15:09 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: interesting to see that /cs help doesn't list unban, however it replies to it | 15:09 |
| crashanddie_ | Termana: who has you on ignore? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it unbans | 15:09 |
| Termana | crashanddie_: DocScrutinizer | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ban crashanddie :) | 15:09 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: unignore Termana | 15:09 |
| Termana | I did try to say sorry to him, but he called that spam | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 15:10 |
| crashanddie_ | because you're an op, you're not allowed to ignore people for more than an hour | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody drops off my ignore list. All ever made it there deserved it | 15:10 |
| Termana | lol | 15:10 |
| crashanddie_ | if he starts being annoying again, you need to be aware of it to take action | 15:10 |
| wired | lmao | 15:10 |
| ptl | then ignore only its private messages | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | he has a point :p | 15:11 |
| ptl | you can do that | 15:11 |
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| ptl | *his/her | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | /its* | 15:11 |
| Termana | ptl: Oh thats nice, no I'm "its" :P | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:11 |
| Termana | now* | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: we got you for such duties :-P | 15:11 |
| crashanddie_ | why the fuck are we keeping you then? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 15:11 |
| crashanddie_ | because at this rate, people just need to piss you off, and then they can troll the whole channel without repercussion | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | don't we have anything better to discuss, like bacon? | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
| ptl | like lolololing in all caps or worse, trolololing | 15:12 |
| nid0 | recruit moar ops | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, you're right | 15:12 |
| ptl | or bitching about PR1.2 (notice the caps) | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | ptl, or overclocking :P | 15:12 |
| * MohammadAG waits for it... | 15:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-13 14:13:01] [Ignorieren] Termana!* von der Ignorieren-Liste entfernt. | 15:13 |
| ptl | MohammadAG: oh no, now you'll be banned | 15:13 |
| BCMM | why would an op /ignore? | 15:13 |
| * wired runs his n900 @2.6ghz | 15:13 | |
| BCMM | isn't that what devoicing is for? ;) | 15:13 |
| ptl | because an op is also an user? | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | ptl, i've been hearing about that for some time | 15:13 |
| Treibholz | wired: both cores? | 15:13 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, MohammadAG & DocScrutinizer, fwiw: /cs clear #maemo bans and /cs akick are your friends in case of chan takeover | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, channel is -m | 15:13 |
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| wired | Treibholz: you mean all three | 15:13 |
| wired | its tri-core =] | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and /cs recover | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | BCMM: the channel isn't moderated, nobody has a voice in here (except infobot, but he's special) | 15:14 |
| Treibholz | wired: well, if you count the FPU... | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | -ChanServ- Unknown command recover. "/msg ChanServ HELP" for help. | 15:14 |
| BCMM | well, thanks for all the help | 15:14 |
| BCMM | i should eat lunch now | 15:15 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm going to grab dinner | 15:15 |
| * MohammadAG hates how no one's +q | 15:15 | |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: people without a username are +q'd | 15:15 |
| Termana | Don't discuss overclocking. Thats what started the whole thing that got me onto Doc's ignore list :P | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-13 14:09:46] [Notice] -ChanServ- RECOVER Regain control of your channel. | 15:15 |
| TigerTael | wired, I run mine at 4ghz in ln2. | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, without a username? | 15:16 |
| TigerTael | hard to use the touchscreen though. | 15:16 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: not registered | 15:16 |
| nid0 | MohammadAG: not registered with nickserv | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | that's not +q... | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | +q is channel owner | 15:16 |
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| TigerTael | Difference between channel modes and user modes? | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: lol | 15:17 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o crashanddie_ | 15:17 | |
| *** crashanddie_ sets mode: +q MohammadAG!*@* | 15:17 | |
| crashanddie_ | there, channel owner? | 15:17 |
| TigerTael | nice | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the +q~A option is considered a real PITA and for emergeny threat handling only | 15:17 |
| *** crashanddie_ sets mode: -q MohammadAG!*@* | 15:17 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o crashanddie_ | 15:17 | |
| TigerTael | IRCD differences. | 15:17 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: nha it's fine | 15:17 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: you can use ban exemptions if people need it | 15:18 |
| TigerTael | or invites | 15:18 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there was a reason for that +q that couldn't be solved with a '+q is for silencing masks here' statement. | 15:18 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm, +q is channel owner on the server i'm on | 15:18 |
| TigerTael | MohammadAG, different IRCD | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no it's not, as it breaks all sorts of autojoin/autoregister schemes for several clients, by blocking nick changes | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | TigerTael, explains a lot then.. | 15:18 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: autojoin/auto nick changes are the pita | 15:19 |
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| crashanddie_ | who cares whether you use your real nickname or not? If it's automatic, it means you're not in front of the computer anyway | 15:20 |
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| TigerTael | I like watching automation. :D | 15:20 |
| crashanddie_ | I'd rather block on auto script every 6 months, or see a poor guy have to register before he can talk rather than having some bots join and spam/DCC disconnect people | 15:20 |
| crashanddie_ | TigerTael: invites don't work on +q AFAIK | 15:21 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, oh, sorry, not familiar with IRCD seven. | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, we've not seen many of such attacks since ircd7 migration. And this chan is -q~A for a long time now (like all the chan I'm op in) | 15:22 |
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| crashanddie_ | TigerTael: +q prevents talking and changing nicks, but people can still join | 15:22 |
| * MohammadAG has autorejoin :) | 15:23 | |
| crashanddie_ | so if you want to exempt someone, you need to +e hostmask them | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | and this isn't a hinderance to people joining in the conversation how? does the mode tell them to register? | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | ie, with full instructions | 15:23 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: no, but the topic does | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | no, it doesn't | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | it says 'register'. | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | if you're going to do it right, at least refer to a guide on how to do it. | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | yeah, o2 has problem with jogglers | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | nothing in stock | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration would be a good one. | 15:24 |
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| TigerTael | good idea | 15:24 |
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| RST38bis | Ufff | 15:25 |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | Can't talk? Register. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | http://bit.ly/1MtZU" | 15:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | It's common policy (and obviously also this channel's policy) NOT to have +q~A by default. So the whole heritage from pre-ircd7 times with those massive spam attacts is moot | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | [14:22] -!- 0 - #maemo: ban #~a!*@* [by | 15:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NOOO! | 15:26 |
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| javispedro | what the hell are you doing? | 15:26 |
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| Stskeeps | and topic would make more sense with | Can't talk? Register - see http://bit.ly/1MtzU on how to. Getting spammed? /mode YOURNICK +R | 15:26 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: yeah, chanserv failed on that one | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | blame the tool | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | hey, I'm just a worker | 15:26 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie_: join message? | 15:26 |
| crashanddie_ | of course it's the tool | 15:27 |
| javispedro | the topic is too long. | 15:27 |
| javispedro | NOBODY will read it. | 15:27 |
| Termana | MohammadAG: The server your on is probably an UnrealIRCD or Inspire IRCd server, both of which have +q as channel owner (i believe, though I'm not sure +q channel owner mode got merged into the main unrealircd project) | 15:27 |
| Termana | Stskeeps: ^^? | 15:27 |
| Termana | I realize that looks like some stupid japanese anime smiley | 15:27 |
| *** crashanddie_ sets mode: -q *!*@* | 15:27 | |
| javispedro | well, nobody that SHOULD've read it would read it. | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG | Unreal | 15:27 |
| Termana | damn it lag | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: +q is inheritance from EliteIRCd | 15:27 |
| *** crashanddie_ sets mode: -q #~a!*@* | 15:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole topic doesn't need this naggedynag as we don't need +q~A either, and we don't have it and I hope crashanddie_ isn't going to enable it once again - it's not the way this chan has been for 99% of the time and there's been no agreement on changing that | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: revert that please! | 15:28 |
| *** crashanddie_ changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/" | 15:28 | |
| Termana | Stskeeps: A lot of UnrealIRCD builds had +q for channel owner in them (as well as +a), did those end up making it into the main unrealircd project? (or you don't know?) | 15:28 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: why? | 15:28 |
| Termana | Oh nevermind, i see | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: it came from unreal itself | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | why you've done it first place?? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, actually +a is just more perms than +o, it's not channel owner :) | 15:29 |
| Termana | Was there a compile time switch to turn off the modes or something? | 15:29 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I removed it | 15:29 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: it was a typo from a couple of months ago | 15:29 |
| * MohammadAG requests a kick | 15:29 | |
| *** MohammadAG was kicked by crashanddie_ (done) | 15:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, crashanddie_ you're wrong | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG | cool, i got kicked on #maemo | 15:29 |
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| * MohammadAG takes a screenshot | 15:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been you who enabled it first instance | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | submit complaint? :P | 15:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: 22:27 0 - #maemo: ban #~a!*@* [by crashanddie!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie, 5704074 secs ago] | 15:30 |
| Termana | MohammadAG's IRC client is now officially bitchin with auto-join | 15:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: #~a doesn't match anything | 15:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: it's $~a | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, it's xchat | 15:30 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm just cleaning up the crap | 15:30 |
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| MohammadAG | Termana, i can say how to enable it | 15:31 |
| tgalal | hey, does porting an app require approval by the original app writer? | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: it's always been you who enabled that option. As stated above the channel was set up to allow unregistered users for 99% of time, for the last 9 months | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | but that might piss someone off | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | tgalal, not that I know of | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it didn't actually work, fwiw | 15:32 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: #~a had no effect mate | 15:32 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I added it one day when some troll came around, but typoed, he got killed from the network, and I couldn't be bothered to remove it | 15:32 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: in other words: the channel was always available even to unregistered users | 15:32 |
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| jacekowski | i vote for avaliability | 15:33 |
| crashanddie_ | it was just at some point Freenode was really hit pretty bad by spammers and trolls, and btw, you're an op as much as I am, so you're free to remove anything I do ;) | 15:33 |
| javispedro | days like this make me proud about being ignorant about the irc protocol | 15:34 |
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| Termana | Yes, put something back that has no effect DocScrutinizer | 15:34 |
| crashanddie_ | javispedro: ah yes, our geek badge is completely shiny now | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: nevermind, I need glasses. not noticed the MINUS leading the "q *!*@*" | 15:34 |
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| crashanddie_ | lol | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you'd "+" it | 15:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | anyway, going to grab a sandwich for dinner, later all | 15:35 |
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| * MohammadAG remembers when someone klined *@* | 15:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | going to prepare a coffee to kickstart other half of my brain | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | had to reboot the server | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:36 |
| nid0 | sysadmins have made much bigger mistakes than that ;) | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | /gline *@* ? ;) | 15:36 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, like typing "rm -fr /" on a production server at BT | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | or shun *@* | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, like formating the wrong partition on a huge productive system :-S | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait | 15:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer hides | 15:37 | |
| MohammadAG | that can be worked around | 15:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | didn't press enter, just told the guy "You shouldn't leave a root console unprotected buddy!" | 15:37 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: akin to what a tech did at flexiscale 2 years ago | 15:37 |
| crashanddie_ | He was so pissed off, in his hurry to hit backspace, he hit enter | 15:37 |
| nid0 | wasnt a partition on "a production system", was the entire storage array for an entire cloud platform | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeeeha | 15:38 |
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| TigerTael | crashanddie, aha... | 15:41 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, but ctrl+c/x ? | 15:41 |
| nid0 | well, there should be no need | 15:42 |
| nid0 | unless the system was ancient or had --preserve-root intentionally disabled | 15:42 |
| nid0 | rm -rf / would do nothing anyway | 15:42 |
| TigerTael | mmm | 15:42 |
| crashanddie_ | nid0: oh it does on mainframe :) | 15:42 |
| TigerTael | I've had no problems using rm-rf / on my desktop servers. | 15:43 |
| crashanddie_ | though wasn't really bad, without 10 minutes the backup was rolled out and server was up again | 15:43 |
| nid0 | TigerTael: if it works on any sun/bsd/gnu rm, then it's pre-2005 ish or is gnu with --preserve-root disabled | 15:43 |
| TigerTael | Well, I just use them for testing purposes, so I default install... debian/FreeBSD etc. | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: (preserve-root) that's what I thought as well | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: but depends on system flavour | 15:48 |
| nid0 | not that i test it terribly extensively, but I dont remember the last time I saw a distro that wont preserve root by default any more | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw preserve-root doesn't help for rm -rf /* obviously | 15:50 |
| nid0 | obviously, but it stops root deletes | 15:50 |
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| nid0 | out-of-box debian/ubuntu definately say no | 15:50 |
| nid0 | root@alex-ubuntu:/# rm -rf / | 15:51 |
| nid0 | rm: cannot remove root directory `/' | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably gnu/linux generally | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | nid0: and /* ? | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't take any bet for HP-UX, AIX etc pp | 15:51 |
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| andrewfblack | Morning | 15:52 |
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| nid0 | X-Fade thatll still undoubtedly kill it, that also takes more than a minor typo ;) | 15:52 |
| Termana | andrewfblack: Good morning | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi X-Fade :-) | 15:53 |
| nid0 | preserve-root is pure typo protection, not idiot or asshole protection :_ | 15:53 |
| X-Fade | hi DocScrutinizer | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | AUTH *should* implement idiot/asshole protection ;-P | 15:54 |
| RST38h | Huawei as one of potential Palm buyers... hehehe | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, in German we have the term "Wanderpokal" | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (AUTH) and /etc/sudoers of course | 15:56 |
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| javispedro | poor Palm | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yau | 15:57 |
| oscillik | i want goddamn BeOS | 15:57 |
| javispedro | Palm doesn't own BeOS | 15:58 |
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| BCMM_ | so what happens if i get highlighted while i,m in another window? | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: this? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: obviously depends on your irc client and its setup | 15:59 |
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| TigerTael | nid0, lol, I thought this was more than just idiot protection we were talking about. | 15:59 |
| BCMM_ | docscrutinizer i was in this window... | 16:00 |
| nid0 | TigerTael no, the whole idea of preserve-root is to prevent rm -rf / path/to/file fuckups | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: xchat highlights the chan tab. And may pop up a notification on N900 | 16:00 |
| BCMM_ | do you mind highlightings me again? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: highlight | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: highlight2 | 16:01 |
| BCMM_ | good good | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: highlight3 | 16:01 |
| BCMM_ | thanks | 16:01 |
| BCMM_ | so, what does one do for an IMAP client? | 16:02 |
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| nid0 | one uses the one built into the n900 | 16:02 |
| nid0 | and one wishes they had one that wasnt so awful | 16:02 |
| TigerTael | nid0, lol, never done that in my life. | 16:03 |
| TigerTael | But crashanddie was talking about deliberately typing it... and so was I. | 16:03 |
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| nid0 | well, preserve-root will prevent rm -rf / (on gnu/linux,bsd,solaris) whether it's typed accidentally or deliberately :) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | TigerTael: the enter-key hit was by accident, according to crashanddie_ | 16:04 |
| Treibholz | "Many modern mail servers support the IMAP Idle feature, which allows your email client to monitor an inbox. Sadly Modest on the N900 has this feature disabled for power reasons." | 16:04 |
| Treibholz | what? | 16:04 |
| TigerTael | so if he appended an asterisk, his story would be A.O.K? | 16:05 |
| Treibholz | is polling every 5 minutes better? | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: maybe, yes. | 16:05 |
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| TigerTael | But because he didn't, now the whole story is implausible? | 16:05 |
| nid0 | TigerTael well, if it was on a unix mainframe then it'd likely as not toast a system anyway, and he did clarify it was | 16:05 |
| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: that's bullshit, It works with XMPP. | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ola` SpeedEvil :-) | 16:05 |
| BCMM_ | how do i tab nicks? | 16:05 |
| pupnik | iirc the available imap idle algorithm is using polling | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: the cell modem can be very good standby wise, but take a large chunk of power to move one packet | 16:05 |
| TigerTael | nid0, anyways, I don't really care, I just found it an amusing idea. ;] | 16:05 |
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| Treibholz | SpeedEvil: I use jabber all the time, so I have a connection open anyway. | 16:06 |
| BCMM_ | nid0: what is the imap client called? | 16:06 |
| nid0 | BCMM_ - the mail client on the n900's Modest | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Treibholz: there is no good way to notify other apps that there is somethng else using the net though | 16:06 |
| ssid | I'm a chinese boy | 16:07 |
| ssid | a new friend | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be lovely if you started a browser - and it sent a dbus message 'user initated net activity' | 16:07 |
| nid0 | that or modest could just give the user the choice to enable imap-idle or not :( | 16:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | So that anything wanting net activty which would have normally kicked off n the next 5 mins goes now | 16:07 |
| TigerTael | sweet, new virtualbox | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: (tab nicks) assign shift-space to nick-completion, in xchat's keybindings | 16:07 |
| BCMM_ | mi | 16:07 |
| BCMM_ | oops | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | modest is opensource | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | build t yourself. | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I prefer shift-rightarrow | 16:08 |
| BCMM_ | spee | 16:08 |
| BCMM_ | oops ag | 16:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (for tab) | 16:08 |
| Treibholz | CTRL-I | 16:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Palm richly deserves it | 16:08 |
| wired | hmm ok i assumed it was the kernel that fracked things up, but it seems its not | 16:09 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: he's gone. | 16:09 |
| BCMM_ | speedevil: not working here | 16:09 |
| n900Evil | BCMM_: you need to setup the keybindings | 16:09 |
| wired | so one thing i install (or a combination of em) makes boot fail | 16:10 |
| RST38h | So am I, most of the time... | 16:10 |
| wired | ffff | 16:10 |
| ssid | God ah, my English is poor performance, are there who can help me? | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (shift-rightarrow) I need that for text markup purposes | 16:11 |
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| n900Evil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf - if anyone cares. | 16:12 |
| BCMM_ | is there copy/paste? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: you seen my advice above? | 16:12 |
| n900Evil | BCMM_: select wth fingers or pointer - ctrl-c | 16:12 |
| * wired is going to reboot on every single change now until he finds why it explodes | 16:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: see wiki about 'gestures and shortcuts' | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wired: you smoked up your CPU by overclocking. Now please don't whine about instabilities | 16:15 |
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| wired | DocScrutinizer: 1) im not whining 2) i didn't really push it that hard :) | 16:15 |
| TigerTael | I wouldn't mind underclocking/undervolting. | 16:15 |
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| wired | the behavior is far from anything oc related :) | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wired: ok for #1. For #2 I don't see how you're going to proove it didn't do any harm to your CPU, no matter how 'hard you pushed' | 16:18 |
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| BCMM_ | what about copying in xterm? | 16:19 |
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| ech0Asus | ctrl c | 16:19 |
| BCMM_ | uh | 16:20 |
| ech0Asus | didnt work? | 16:20 |
| BCMM_ | that just sends sigterm | 16:20 |
| BCMM_ | like a normal xterm | 16:20 |
| ech0Asus | erm.. need a shift lol | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and actually you can't predict how a OC-caused CPU wearout will manifest | 16:20 |
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| RST38h | why? we can | 16:21 |
| RST38h | Most likely with random coredumps. | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: c&p in xterm is via menu | 16:21 |
| BenjaminWilk | hello everybody | 16:21 |
| ech0Asus | sup milk | 16:21 |
| BCMM_ | thanks do | 16:21 |
| BCMM_ | docscrutinizer | 16:21 |
| BenjaminWilk | is there no chance, wo run .jar-files on a maemo-based mobile phone like the nokia n900?? | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | really no chance? | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | cant believe that | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | :-/ | 16:22 |
| X-Fade | ~seen lizardo | 16:22 |
| infobot | lizardo <~lizardo@189.2.128.130> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23h 51m 36s ago, saying: '(C is usually faster in performance)'. | 16:22 |
| ech0Asus | install easy debian and try and install java through that | 16:22 |
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| ech0Asus | if ur brave | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | i dont want to install easy debian... | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | eats to much space | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | :P | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | wired: you are 1st to fuck up his phone by oc | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | congratulations | 16:23 |
| ech0Asus | well java works on firefox with easy debian | 16:23 |
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| jacekowski | how does it make you feel? | 16:23 |
| ech0Asus | not sure if java works outside of that with it but its only thing i now to suggest.. | 16:23 |
| BenjaminWilk | can i download the 2,5 gb debian image? | 16:23 |
| BenjaminWilk | dont want to download it via handy | 16:23 |
| ech0Asus | yes u can download it on another computer and usb it | 16:23 |
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| BCMM_ | is there a simple way to get more command-line stuff | 16:23 |
| BenjaminWilk | where | 16:23 |
| ech0Asus | link was on maemo talk | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | if you would build normal java outside of easy debina | 16:23 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, bash for example | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | yes? | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | it should work in chromium | 16:24 |
| BCMM_ | host would benice too | 16:24 |
| marmoute | BCMM_: you have bash. | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: bash is in extras-devel repository | 16:24 |
| wired | DocScrutinizer: ok, agreed, it might be damaged. it still doesn't explain why it only fails to boot after i install a few packages (namely, last time it failed to boot after installing rootfs, openssh, catorise, vim and bash3) | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | i have a .jar-file which can be installed | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | marmoute: that's bb | 16:24 |
| wired | im testing now with stock everything (nothing installeD) and it does not fail | 16:24 |
| wired | jacekowski: i doubt it ;) | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | yet | 16:25 |
| BCMM_ | docscrutinizer don't know about that yet - have only installed xchat and that was from gui | 16:25 |
| ech0Asus | all details are here http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian u can download on another computer and extract on another computer then just transfer the img file to the n900 via usb... | 16:25 |
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| marmoute | jacekowski: bb ? | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | busy box | 16:26 |
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| ech0Asus | it gives you synaptic... surely you can install java from there.. | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: rootsh is your friend. And apt-get | 16:26 |
| Shapeshifter | why do people care about java | 16:26 |
| ech0Asus | games and bullshit hacking apps for bluetooth | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: but also may turn to be a flase friend, if you don't know what you're doing | 16:27 |
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| ech0Asus | they mostly want super bluetooth hack to work on there n900 lol | 16:27 |
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| BenjaminWilk | okay ech0Asus | 16:27 |
| gouverneur | BenjaminWilk: are you german? handy is used in "that comes handy" but not as mobile or cell expression | 16:27 |
| BenjaminWilk | :P | 16:27 |
| BenjaminWilk | handy = mobile phone | 16:27 |
| BenjaminWilk | ^^ | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | you can hack bluetooth with C | 16:28 |
| Shapeshifter | "hack bluetooth"? | 16:28 |
| Shapeshifter | what has this to do with java? | 16:28 |
| gouverneur | handy != mobile phone | 16:28 |
| BenjaminWilk | yes | 16:28 |
| BenjaminWilk | but i meant it | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BenjaminWilk: that's aGermanism | 16:28 |
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| BenjaminWilk | i know... | 16:28 |
| ech0Asus | java has crap apps newbs use to tap other phones they have access to | 16:28 |
| X-Fade | Gerlish? :) | 16:29 |
| ech0Asus | not really hacking | 16:29 |
| gouverneur | why you use it then in a english speaking channel? | 16:29 |
| ech0Asus | more like installing a trojan.. | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: kinda | 16:29 |
| BenjaminWilk | -.- | 16:29 |
| ghostcube | any news for cute explorer and the missing qt libs? | 16:29 |
| wired | still booting... im now really curious to see when it'll fail =] | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: though actually it's a genuine German word | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | by now | 16:29 |
| Shapeshifter | me when I first heard the n900 won't support java: http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/366444-Lukaeu/444/7/awesome_display.png | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: yeah, we also have some weird words like that (NL). Beamer is another famous one. | 16:30 |
| gouverneur | didnt need java yet.... | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: Germans tend to think it's English, as it sounds like | 16:30 |
| ech0Asus | wonder if i can virtual box backtrack on the n900 lol | 16:31 |
| BenjaminWilk | it was only a mistake... | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | ech0Asus: aircrack is enough on N900 | 16:31 |
| ghostcube | bt would be to hard | 16:31 |
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| gouverneur | like noone in here knows Dinner for One but german speaking ppl | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | aircrack is locked to chan 6 and has no bt tools | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:32 |
| ghostcube | eh? | 16:32 |
| Treibholz | "Dinner for One" rocks! | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | u can't scan past chan 6 on aircrack on the n900 | 16:32 |
| gouverneur | hey Treibholz | 16:32 |
| ghostcube | i scann aircrack channel 6 - 12 with all tools | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | or under.. | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | i can't... mines locked.. | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | gouverneur: what's wrong with dinner for one? | 16:32 |
| ghostcube | cause if not i wouldnt see my ap | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | how did u unlock it? | 16:32 |
| BenjaminWilk | german production^^ | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | gouverneur: what does it relate to? | 16:32 |
| ghostcube | i didnt -.- | 16:32 |
| ech0Asus | i installed with easy debian.. | 16:33 |
| ech0Asus | u? | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can *scan* waht you like, but you'll get #chan6 results only | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | from repo inside extra devel | 16:33 |
| gouverneur | dinner for one isn't known outside german speaking countries | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer?? i can get my ap to be realized in airplay | 16:33 |
| ech0Asus | it's got some firmware issue which has monitor mode locked to chan 6.... | 16:33 |
| ghostcube | so if i would be chained to 6 this won be | 16:33 |
| gouverneur | so is the word "handy" for mobile phone, not even swiss use it | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | gouverneur: you mean "table for one" | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | ? | 16:34 |
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| gouverneur | no | 16:34 |
| ech0Asus | can you pastebin a scan of more then chan 6? | 16:34 |
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| ghostcube | we use handy as cellphone replacement here | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: I can't verify with pr1.1.1 atm, but I've seen this chan6 issue myself | 16:34 |
| ech0Asus | cause if so then we just need to find out why yours is working like that | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | some months ago | 16:34 |
| ghostcube | ech0Asus: ehm must check this later but i get all traffic from my ap on channel 10 o.O | 16:35 |
| ghostcube | and 12 | 16:35 |
| gouverneur | dinner for one is a newyears comedy act produced in germany and it's done like it is some british one | 16:35 |
| ghostcube | so i dont get it but maybe iam wrong and its on 6 and airplay can see it | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what's the channel reported? | 16:35 |
| ghostcube | shouldnt be but who knows | 16:35 |
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| ech0Asus | i have 30 ap's in range of me, none pick up but chan 6 on my n900 | 16:35 |
| ghostcube | 10 and 12 DocScrutinizer | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange, nah fine | 16:36 |
| ech0Asus | however on my asus that is not issue, i can scan them all | 16:36 |
| wazd | hello people | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: uhm... the swiss do use the term "handy" for mobile phone | 16:36 |
| ghostcube | i dont get it ech0Asus you tested the reo version not in easy debian ? | 16:36 |
| ech0Asus | sup | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi wazd | 16:36 |
| ghostcube | repo | 16:36 |
| ech0Asus | i tested the repo version as well | 16:36 |
| ech0Asus | was locked on chan 6 | 16:36 |
| ghostcube | hmm strange need to check this later at home | 16:36 |
| ech0Asus | then i tested with easy debian, same issue | 16:36 |
| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: yes nowadays but they used to say natel | 16:37 |
| Shapeshifter | many still do, I know ;) | 16:37 |
| ech0Asus | yeah my n900 is a beast on channel 6 though lol | 16:37 |
| ghostcube | :D | 16:37 |
| gouverneur | or depends on the region maybe | 16:37 |
| Shapeshifter | gouverneur: now they also say "iphone" :P | 16:37 |
| ech0Asus | great for gettin handshake packets to take home and crack... | 16:37 |
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| ech0Asus | long as ur on #6... :( | 16:37 |
| gouverneur | Shapeshifter: thats so stupid | 16:37 |
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| * ShadowJK has 3 APs in range, on non-overlapping channels | 16:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | govthat's also my idea | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | gouverneur: ^^ | 16:38 |
| ech0Asus | it's a 2WIRE zoo over there | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: what's your fw region? | 16:38 |
| gouverneur | just thinking of doing an iMan tshirt | 16:38 |
| ghostcube | germany | 16:38 |
| ghostcube | europe | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, same here | 16:39 |
| ech0Asus | i have over 30 ap's i can test on lol | 16:39 |
| pupnik | would be nice if all these aps could just share the bandwidth | 16:39 |
| ghostcube | strange thing really will set later monitor on and check | 16:39 |
| ghostcube | at work now | 16:39 |
| ech0Asus | would be cool if i had an adapter that could access all of them at once and bridge the connection :) hell yeah! | 16:39 |
| gouverneur | pupnik: you could use one for up and one for down | 16:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses flat-plastic-cables and wanders off to shout some nasty swearwords in the cellar | 16:40 | |
| * ghostcube loves his ssh server | 16:41 | |
| ghostcube | :D | 16:41 |
| ech0Asus | grr 98.5% done witht he rainbow tables.. takin forever... | 16:42 |
| ptl | http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12093830311 - "In next three days - release which will enable premium Maemo content in Ovi Store. Maybe PR1.2 hint. #nafb" | 16:42 |
| ech0Asus | like day 3 now | 16:42 |
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| poout | ls | 16:42 |
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| ptl | http://twitter.com/bundyo/status/12098753092 - Another mention that PR1.2 for N900 will be released in ¨one of the next days¨. #nafb | 16:43 |
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| * gouverneur is seeing dead ppl and PR1.2 | 16:43 | |
| ech0Asus | will pr1.2 require reflashing? | 16:43 |
| ghostcube | PR1.2 -.- | 16:43 |
| ghostcube | yes | 16:43 |
| ghostcube | i still dont belive it till its here | 16:44 |
| ghostcube | :D | 16:44 |
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| ech0Asus | i'm more excited for backtrack mobile lol | 16:44 |
| ech0Asus | which is prolly waitin on pr1.2 tho... | 16:44 |
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| * achipa thinks Waiting for PR1.2 is the sequel to Waiting for Godot | 16:47 | |
| wired | lol... i found what hosed the system | 16:47 |
| avee_ | But will PR1.2 will run Duke Nukem Forever? | 16:48 |
| frals | ptl: whos that bundyo? as ahe doesnt quote a source | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Welcome to the National Association of Farm Broadcasting (www.nafb.com). We're just getting started.<< | 16:48 |
| ptl | fr01: I do not have the slightest idea, someone on tmo said he's from nokia staff | 16:49 |
| ptl | oops | 16:49 |
| ptl | frals: I do not have the slightest idea, someone on tmo said he's from nokia staff | 16:49 |
| TigerTael | nice | 16:49 |
| frals | "someone said" check | 16:49 |
| ptl | lol | 16:49 |
| ptl | yep | 16:49 |
| ptl | I don't said to give it confidence | 16:49 |
| TigerTael | Yo mamma said. | 16:49 |
| ptl | just felt like quoting it here | 16:50 |
| ptl | I don't said --> agh! I didn't say | 16:50 |
| ech0Asus | n900 is cool but i don't see why you'd want to play games on it.. unless you want to carry a wireless controller.. buttons on the n900 suck for gaming, would honestly just piss me off tryin to really play a game on that thing.. | 16:50 |
| TigerTael | All I want: Bugs fixed, Turn by turn navigation. | 16:50 |
| ptl | All I want: bugs fixed, repositories working again | 16:50 |
| TigerTael | Oh, and better battery life would be nice. ;] | 16:51 |
| Treibholz | imap idle | 16:51 |
| ech0Asus | turn by turn navigation get sygics | 16:51 |
| Treibholz | CalDAV | 16:51 |
| TigerTael | ech0Asus, doesn't support my country... | 16:51 |
| TigerTael | And I don't want to pay more, thanks. | 16:51 |
| TigerTael | So your solution is a no-go. | 16:51 |
| ptl | also I want a redhaired girl with thick legs and large breasts | 16:51 |
| Treibholz | ech0Asus: how much is sygics? | 16:51 |
| TigerTael | ptl, ew. | 16:52 |
| frals | ah, they hinted at nokia app forum bulgaria it might happen | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl: google for Zappa's 'big leg emma' ;-P | 16:52 |
| TigerTael | frals, I expect turn by turn from Nokia as they have committed it to the symbian platforms. | 16:52 |
| frals | lol | 16:52 |
| TigerTael | But they sure are dragging their heels. ;/ | 16:52 |
| ech0Asus | you guys know about transmission right? | 16:53 |
| frals | my comment was about pr1.2 in the next few days | 16:53 |
| ech0Asus | and how to use it... | 16:53 |
| nid0 | yes | 16:53 |
| TigerTael | "Navigation on your Nokia. For Free. Forever." | 16:53 |
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| ech0Asus | ok well there u go thats how much sygics costs... | 16:53 |
| nid0 | ... | 16:53 |
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| achipa | they have a window of opportunity - navigation for the N900 from Nokia will arrive at the end of the year at best | 16:54 |
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| ech0Asus | linux is free, commercial pisses me off on it.. just torrent that shit treibholz... | 16:54 |
| TigerTael | achipa, I'm not estimating a time, I just want it. ;] | 16:54 |
| achipa | (as they are writing it for Harmattan) | 16:54 |
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| TigerTael | I know for a fact that Ovi Maps turn by turn navigation works in my country, just not on the N900 because OVI maps is very basic atm. | 16:56 |
| peetah | ech0Asus: then where did you steal your n900 ? | 16:56 |
| TigerTael | It's just a matter of programming the app. ;/ | 16:56 |
| achipa | ech0Asus: for nav the real cost for the publisher is in the maps. Somebody has to pay for them, it's not really about Freedom, them satellites won't fly on their own nor get the maps updated... | 16:56 |
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| TigerTael | Well it's free for other Nokia mobile phones with GPS and the N900 being a high-end device, I would expect it. ;/ | 16:57 |
| achipa | that does not explain why *sygic* should be free :) | 16:58 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: I've read the lyrics, really, I think it's worse to date a thin girl. My preferred style is like that: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nVEel9W7iZo/SP-bv5SupYI/AAAAAAAAAMU/FBVpLB1S4D4/s400/mulher_melancia1.jpg - you can say it's sort of brazilian style, specially in Rio de Janeiro and Salvador | 16:58 |
| Treibholz | ech0Asus: freedom has nothing to do with torrents... | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-13 10:55:20] <Scelt> konttori: how about ovi maps 3 for N900? is it in progress at all? [2010-04-13 10:56:29] <konttori> to be honest, I am not exactly sure. They were working on it to some degree, but I wasn't exactly certain that did they decide to halt the development or not. It's part of the applications teams work, so I didn't pay too much attention to that, as I don't use it myself. [2010-04-13 10:57:40] <konttori> is that | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninformative enough? In theory, they are doing their app with web runtime, so it should be the same app for all nokia platforms, so, ... anyway, you can email simone.leggio@nokia.com to ask. He's heading the applications team for n900. | 16:58 |
| TigerTael | achipa, yeah, I never said sygic should be free. | 16:58 |
| TigerTael | I don't want Sygic, I want Ovi Maps to be updated. ;p | 16:58 |
| TigerTael | DocScrutinizer, thank you, I will email now. | 16:58 |
| ech0Asus | meh redhats.. | 16:59 |
| Treibholz | I want to be able to download a full country. Data-Roaming in other countries is damn expensive. | 17:00 |
| * ShadowJK doubts ovi maps on s60 is wrt based.. | 17:00 | |
| ShadowJK | or maybe they rewrote it | 17:00 |
| RST38h | It is not | 17:00 |
| TigerTael | Mail sent. | 17:01 |
| ech0Asus | grr stupid nagra3 i want to watch tv again... | 17:02 |
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| pupnik | end tv | 17:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer envisions simone kicking konttori down the Nokia office stairs | 17:03 | |
| ech0Asus | i don't like regular tv but it was cool being able to watch local channels from all over the us... | 17:04 |
| ech0Asus | and canadian tv isn't bad... | 17:04 |
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| ech0Asus | i prefer their techtv channel, has more brainfood instead of retards playin video games like the usa channel... | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, someone posted his notion about why US-Americans love portrait mode... | 17:06 |
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| ech0Asus | i hate it, i only have it with the phone part cause its built in... | 17:06 |
| ech0Asus | if its not going to be fully supported i'd rather it not be supported at all its a pain... | 17:07 |
| TigerTael | It's a bit annoying not having portrait mode for telephone conversations. | 17:07 |
| gouverneur | ???? | 17:07 |
| shvedsky | DocScrutinizer: why's that? | 17:07 |
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| ShadowJK | My operator broke 2g yesterday... even with just openvpn doing a ping every 20s, and even with the mugen battery, getting through the day would have been difficult had I not disconnected from intarwebs :/ | 17:07 |
| ech0Asus | i dont understand why my contact list wont turn to portait.. what is the point of it being all short... | 17:07 |
| TigerTael | ech0Asus, agreed. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | check http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog, I'll not repeat that | 17:08 |
| ech0Asus | readin | 17:08 |
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| * ShadowJK 's contact list seems to work in portrait | 17:08 | |
| TigerTael | oh? | 17:08 |
| gouverneur | if you use the phone ap instead of the contacts app | 17:09 |
| TigerTael | Yeah, it does work in that case. | 17:09 |
| ech0Asus | bookmarked will come in handy | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah, 20s pings keep alive 3G all the time | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: would result in some 4..5h with normal battery | 17:10 |
| ech0Asus | but why not have the contact app be like the one in the phone app... its way better... | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | portrait mode annoys me a bit.. when someone calls and I pick up phone and it decides to rotate I have to wait extra 2s before pushing the big red "I'm busy" button | 17:10 |
| TigerTael | Why not combine the phone and contact app? :P | 17:10 |
| TigerTael | ShadowJK, so it's actually the delay that's annoying? | 17:10 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 17:10 |
| TigerTael | I find the rotate delay to be annoying as well. | 17:11 |
| ech0Asus | yeah exactly.. just a shortcut link to the phones apps contact page would work... | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | but on the other hand if there was no delay it'd mistake all sorts of movement for attitude | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: disable auto-rotate | 17:11 |
| ShadowJK | it can't distinguish rotation from acceleartion really :) | 17:11 |
| ech0Asus | how to disable auto-rotate? | 17:11 |
| ech0Asus | would love to | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno, no N900 owner here | 17:12 |
| nid0 | ShadowJK: if the rotation delay is annoying, remove it | 17:12 |
| TigerTael | In the Phone app settings... | 17:12 |
| ptl | ech0Asus: where? In phone? In browser? | 17:12 |
| TigerTael | You can disable 'Automatic'. | 17:12 |
| nid0 | the rotation animation's fully configurable via transitions.ini | 17:12 |
| ShadowJK | phone _ turning control | 17:12 |
| TigerTael | 'Turning Control' | 17:12 |
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| TigerTael | nid0, for all apps I presume. | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nid0++ | 17:13 |
| nid0 | transition.ini's rotation control functions will control the graphic animation/delays for all switches between portrait<>landscape | 17:13 |
| ech0Asus | cool got it | 17:13 |
| ech0Asus | thanks... was lookin way in wrong place for that | 17:14 |
| TigerTael | lol, got some nice graphics corruption on the one switch animation. | 17:14 |
| TigerTael | Opening the keyboard switches to landscape as well, btw. | 17:14 |
| nid0 | if you set the fade-in / fade-out delays to 0 and the rotation angle to 0, then there's no switch animation or delay anymore, it just flicks straight from landscape to portrait and vice versa | 17:14 |
| TigerTael | I assume it's fast? | 17:15 |
| nid0 | for all practical purposes it's instant | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: is this documented anywhere in wiki? | 17:15 |
| TigerTael | Where is this file exactly? | 17:16 |
| nid0 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Transitions is about all that's mentioned in the wiki | 17:16 |
| TigerTael | hildon-desktop | 17:16 |
| nid0 | the file itself is well commented to specify exactly what every option does though | 17:16 |
| nid0 | and there've been a couple of threads recently on tmo discussing alterations to the transitions | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart tmo | 17:16 |
| * infobot cuts off tmo's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper | 17:16 | |
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| TigerTael | nid0, where is the file located? | 17:17 |
| ech0Asus | this sim card still has 3g lol | 17:17 |
| nid0 | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 17:17 |
| ech0Asus | although the phone has not been paid in over a week | 17:17 |
| javispedro | but the issue is not the animation, but as ShadowJK mentioned, the period it's doing nothing waiting to ensure you really did put it in portrait | 17:17 |
| ech0Asus | phone is off, messaging is off... 3g works... | 17:17 |
| TigerTael | nid0, ah... | 17:17 |
| larsivi | I have used the 5.0 installer to install scratchbox+maemo, but trying to apt-get qt stuff fails (wrong deps it seems) | 17:18 |
| larsivi | anyone know where I'm going wrong? | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | is #maemo back to normal now? :) | 17:18 |
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| TigerTael | better make a backup. :D | 17:18 |
| ech0Asus | skype works on it still.. has not been capped on speed either... | 17:18 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG: has it ever been ? | 17:18 |
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| Treibholz | MohammadAG: no OC-Talk for some minutes... | 17:19 |
| nid0 | TigerTael: rotation configuration is quite near the bottom under the # Screen rotation transition comment | 17:19 |
| ech0Asus | until this stops working this will be my phone lol... skype with 3g from expired tmo sim card haha | 17:19 |
| nid0 | there're 6 values, and essentially if you put them all to 0 then you get instant flicks between portrait<>landscape | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it ever been? define 'normal' | 17:20 |
| TigerTael | nid0, thanks, looking at it now. | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pre-today normal :) | 17:20 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if crashanddie_ "took his pills" :P | 17:21 | |
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| achipa | javispedro: would be cool if we had enough battery to do orientation via facial recognition - orientation determined by the line of the eyes | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer fails to spot any particular madness in #maemo today | 17:21 | |
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| javispedro | achipa: yeah | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: that's actually a brilliant idea | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: alas the aux cam probably just is too crappy | 17:23 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: tell me about the front cam... aaanyway, should be good enough for those purposes | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | power consumption shouldn't be a main issue | 17:24 |
| achipa | the idea was born when I realized the orientation is always (murphy) wrong then the device is flat on the table | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can 'pulse' - means 90% off 10% on | 17:24 |
| ShadowJK | those digicams that are supposed to detect the location of faces for focus... I've never seen them spot an actual face, how are those awesome machine vision algorithms going to determine orientation of face when it fails so hard on finding face :D | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: My Canon Ixus does detect faces quite well. | 17:25 |
| TigerTael | I would say there's a 500msec blank in between switches. | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: OMNIA maincam as well | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: Even multiple faces at the same time. | 17:25 |
| achipa | ShadowJK: also, we're in a better position - people are in front and at a guessable distance | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMNIA even does 'smile detect auto-shoot' | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | canon powershot fails at it :) | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Mine has blink detection and doesn't shoot when you frown. | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Sad face detection too. | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | once it put a rectangle around a beer can. I took the hint | 17:26 |
| achipa | Nikon got sued because some cameras always warned about Asians people 'blinking' | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:27 |
| achipa | Asian* | 17:27 |
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| nid0 | well there was that youtube video a few months ago as well about problems with HP's laptop webcams' auto face following | 17:29 |
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| nid0 | that wouldnt follow black people or even see that theyre there | 17:29 |
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| TigerTael | lol | 17:29 |
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| bullet` | crashanddie_ there ? | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't wake him! ;-P | 17:31 |
| achipa | firefox just blew up in my face, duh... | 17:31 |
| TigerTael | Eish, when you scroll the virtual desktops really fast, you eventually end up with a blank desktop behind the last selected one. | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err? | 17:32 |
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| TigerTael | only whilst transitioning. | 17:32 |
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| TigerTael | It's like drawing a blank (black) desktop right behind the one it's currently transitioning to. | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, seems you'd need a video to attach to THAT ticket | 17:33 |
| TigerTael | Yeah, I don't think it's got to do with my rotation transition settings I just modified... | 17:33 |
| massoud | hey there | 17:34 |
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| TigerTael | If I do it fast, continously, I eventually end up with a black/blank screen whilst it continues transitioning. | 17:34 |
| massoud | anyone knows where to get the source code for "wifi switcher" for n900 -> the greatest package to save the batt on the n900 :) | 17:34 |
| massoud | i am wondering how the kernel module is disable the wlan interface | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | massoud: if your AP isn't great | 17:35 |
| BCMM_ | is it possible to copy numbers from my sim card to my n900? | 17:35 |
| TigerTael | I am playing music in the background... don't think that should affect it. | 17:35 |
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| BCMM_ | dunno how else to get them off my 3410 | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: I seem to remember there's acopy_from_sim option somewhere | 17:36 |
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| TigerTael | Hrm, music paused (mp3), and the problem is less persistent. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: maybe in sync_contacts from settings | 17:36 |
| TigerTael | oh wait, there we go, got it to do it again. | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: or somewhere in contacts' menu | 17:37 |
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| BCMM_ | docscrutinizer what do you mean by " sync_contacts from settings"? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: there's also 'import contacts from other device, via BT' | 17:38 |
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| BCMM_ | docscrutinizer other phone is a 3410 | 17:38 |
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| BCMM_ | good for calls, texts, self-defence at a pinch, but thats it | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: sorry, can't check right now, no N900 here ATM | 17:39 |
| BCMM_ | black and white, no nluetooth no memory cards | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: anyway there's 'copy from SIM' somewhere | 17:40 |
| Jaffa | Hi, anyone aware of problems using gconftool-2 in postinsts in Scratchbox? Either via HAM, or apt-get, the lack of a working D-Bus connection scuppers it | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | Contacts > title bar/menu > Get contacts | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:41 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: do you have the UI booted up? | 17:42 |
| BCMM_ | MohammadAG thanks | 17:42 |
| BCMM_ | copying | 17:43 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Yup | 17:44 |
| BCMM_ | well, rebooting with new sim | 17:45 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: weirdo, drnoksnes does install gconf schemas with conftool and it seems to work :P | 17:45 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Anything weird other than gconfgtool-2 ...? | 17:45 |
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| javispedro | iirc it has something like if [ "$1" = "configure" ]; thengconf-schemas --register drnoksnes.schemas | 17:47 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/debian/hermes.postinst;h=aa2d4f3e219c51c908f7a808757925e1c8a25390;hb=0f1a18a9c0e2f6fb72fbba75ee46663422d3613a is mine | 17:47 |
| javispedro | so you need to run-standalone.sh that I guess | 17:48 |
| javispedro | (and also I learnt that installing schemas doesn't need a d-bus connection :) ) | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | run-standalone.sh makes a lot of sense | 17:50 |
| javispedro | wait, it tries to use system bus? | 17:50 |
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| javispedro | still, it works here when run-standalone.sh 'd . | 17:52 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'm sure that's from the very first days :) | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hhmmm, aiui you'd need the user-session environment to do certain things related to dbus and other session-specific services | 17:54 |
| Yggdrasill | hello | 17:54 |
| Yggdrasill | does somebody know if there is a way to have synergy (the client) running on a n900 ? | 17:55 |
| Treibholz | Yggdrasill: you need to compile it in the SDK | 17:55 |
| Treibholz | should work. | 17:55 |
| Yggdrasill | Treibholz: yeah probably, but I'm wondering how it could be managed because on maemo there is no mouse pointer | 17:56 |
| timeless_mbp1 | Yggdrasill: i've seen people use it | 17:56 |
| Treibholz | but I guess x2x would be better. | 17:56 |
| Yggdrasill | Treibholz: I don't know this, I'll check it out | 17:56 |
| Yggdrasill | timeless_mbp1: working fine or just running ? :p | 17:56 |
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| * Treibholz "sometimes" has a mousepointer, but this is a bug. | 17:57 | |
| Yggdrasill | lol | 17:57 |
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| Treibholz | so it should be possible to enable it. | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Soo... | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | the next MeeGo won't have a keyboard | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 17:58 |
| massoud | SpeedEvil: what do you mean "AP" ? | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: eh? | 17:59 |
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| aquatix | MohammadAG: meego device? | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | http://cdn1.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meego_handheld_feature_list.jpg | 17:59 |
| aquatix | ah | 17:59 |
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| Yggdrasill | arf | 18:00 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: you mean like the iPhone? only onscreen? | 18:00 |
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| Yggdrasill | it sux | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | Treibholz, well that's what I'm guessing | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | it says Virtual keyboard | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | no mention of a hardware one | 18:00 |
| Treibholz | so, my next device has to be an android... | 18:01 |
| javispedro | it also says "Intel UX design" | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 18:01 |
| Treibholz | great! | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's a far stretch for 'no keyboard' | 18:01 |
| aquatix | is this some tablet? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | even n900 has a virtual keyboard | 18:01 |
| javispedro | but has it Location Based Service Application | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, but they did mention a hardware keyboard | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | iirc | 18:01 |
| aquatix | ah no, 'handset' | 18:01 |
| Treibholz | Stskeeps: where? haven't found it yet... | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Treibholz, enable it in settings > text input | 18:02 |
| * Treibholz wants hardware-keys! onscreen-keyboards suck! | 18:02 | |
| marmoute | +1 | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | err | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | don't jump to conclusions | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | I said I was guessing | 18:03 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I wonder why you didn't post the most provocative screenshot, which is | 18:03 |
| javispedro | http://cdn1.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/meego_handheld_ui_1.jpg | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | don't troll tmo about it | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I suck at marketing ;) | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | but seriously, I looked at the specs sheet first | 18:04 |
| javispedro | but look at the poor dog! | 18:04 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: it's an ugly dog! | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my comment: FUCK that! | 18:05 |
| * javispedro patiently waits for tmo's OMG UI I WANT THIS HOW I INSTALL | 18:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's so clearly heading opposite direction maemo is going with the 'small desktop' approach. I don't like that *at all* | 18:06 |
| ech0Asus | u guys seen that commercial from samsung bout their new way of txtin? wonder if we could clone that on the n900... they broke the world record for texting with it.. | 18:06 |
| aquatix | ech0Asus: that sliding over the keyboard? | 18:07 |
| ech0Asus | yeah with the one finger | 18:07 |
| Arkenoi | maemo is not really a "small desktop", and it is good. "small desktop" was early Zaurus and it sucked big time | 18:08 |
| ech0Asus | if its more efficient.. then we wouldn't need keyboard at all.. cut down on size.. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: well anyway meego handheld UX seems to be s/desktop/dialer app/ and that's clearly not what I want for a tablet | 18:09 |
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| ech0Asus | n900 is great but bulky lol | 18:09 |
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| Treibholz | ech0Asus: thats because of the camera. | 18:09 |
| Treibholz | not becaus of the keyboard. | 18:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: well, I somehow like it more than the harmattan sketches. | 18:10 |
| aquatix | looks clean | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if they hired wazd | 18:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/14.png | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:10 |
| javispedro | still, forget about this: n900+1 will have harmattan ui, not moblin. | 18:10 |
| ech0Asus | is like a brick though lol i could prolly knock someone out with this... | 18:10 |
| aquatix | :) | 18:10 |
| javispedro | ;) | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: thanks for this statement | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Needing to run-standalone it would make sense, except when started from HAM (in a user env) and that it works on device, even via SSH ;-) | 18:11 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe | 18:11 |
| aquatix | might be that the 'handheld feature list' is talking about the software | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, 15 hours at 21%? lol | 18:11 |
| aquatix | as it's a MeeGo article after all | 18:12 |
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| ptl | meego really seems very different from Maemo UI | 18:12 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: yeah, dunno why it doesn't work from HAM | 18:12 |
| Stskeeps | ptl, otoh, so was fremantle | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | I'd say someone start fixing up Maemo 5 for the next maemo/meego device :p | 18:12 |
| ech0Asus | it feels like i have a weapon in my hand when i hold my n900 now haha | 18:12 |
| aquatix | ech0Asus: another feature :) | 18:13 |
| ptl | Stskeeps: but I think that apart from the application reach, maemo 5 UI is very good | 18:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I'm still one step ahead | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Jaffa AIUI HAM talks to apt running as root | 18:13 |
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| Arkenoi | ech0Asus, it does not matter if it is "more efficient". you cannot type anything exceeding the size of short email with comfort with single finger, touch screen keyboard or *anything* other than classic qwerty | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: indeed | 18:13 |
| ptl | by application reach I mean that you have to navigate too long to find your app | 18:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4440/83451808.jpg if you remember :P | 18:13 |
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| javispedro | wazd: indeed | 18:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: and it's an old mockup already btw :) | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: i do occasionally ponder if i can find some way to pay you minimum wage and get you into the EU ;) | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (so was fremantle) not rally | 18:14 |
| ech0Asus | i dunno i had an n800 was fine without the keyboard imo, especially if you could have the texting like the new samsung... | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | really | 18:14 |
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| Arkenoi | but if you need text input for something more than "texting" it is not fine at all for sure | 18:15 |
| ech0Asus | i just used the stylus to txt on the n800 | 18:15 |
| ech0Asus | actually was responsive.. | 18:15 |
| ptl | I am not gonna comment too much on very early versions | 18:16 |
| ptl | but I hope they change meego's interface to look more like current maemo 5. | 18:16 |
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| ptl | *except* for the app menu. :) | 18:16 |
| javispedro | seriouuuuuuuuusly you should look at the harmattan mockups | 18:17 |
| ptl | what would be the worst current smartphone UI? | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: True | 18:17 |
| ptl | windows mobile 6.5? | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't explain why it wortks on device but not in SB | 18:17 |
| ptl | javispedro: where? | 18:17 |
| ech0Asus | i also liked having two sd cards.. i dont see why as bulky as this thing is i don't have an external sd card slot... | 18:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Apart from "Scratchbox's shit" | 18:17 |
| Arkenoi | symbian touch | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ok, yes | 18:17 |
| ech0Asus | at least for another micro... | 18:17 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Don't get me wrong, I can get behind "Scratchbox's shit" ;-) | 18:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | <wazd> Stskeeps: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4440/83451808.jpg if you remember :P | 18:18 |
| wazd | http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1760/source2.png that's the latest "part" | 18:18 |
| javispedro | ptl: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/091009-maemo-01.jpg | 18:18 |
| * MohammadAG posts that as the MeeGo UI on tmo and waits for the "WHEN CAN WE DOWNLOAD IT" part | 18:18 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you're late | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, ? | 18:19 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: yeah! Comic-Style! | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | I like it | 18:19 |
| wazd | MohammadAG: I'll post the whole teaser when it'll be ready | 18:19 |
| * MohammadAG votes for wazd as a UI designer | 18:19 | |
| ptl | javispedro: looks very confusing | 18:20 |
| javispedro | "it's not maemo! it's not maemo!" | 18:20 |
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| ech0Asus | man i wish i had some tools to mold a new back panel for the n900.. i want a door to open the SD card slot.. you know you would all buy it too lol.. | 18:21 |
| ech0Asus | could just slide like the camera cover... | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | actually I want to get rid of the bulge | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | or even it out like on the N97 | 18:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: just read that loaned n900's will be sent to the developers at long last :) | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully you're high on the list | 18:23 |
| microlith | ech0Asus: Only so long as it tripped the panel open switch | 18:23 |
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| ech0Asus | yes that would be ideal micro | 18:24 |
| * Treibholz would like an n900 without a camera. | 18:24 | |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hehe, can't wait to receive scratched n900 in august with the request to ready OMWeather for MeeGo | 18:24 |
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| ech0Asus | then we could use multiple sd cards easily | 18:24 |
| * ptl would like an n900 with one more camera, just to see a /dev/video2 device | 18:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: removing the maincam is easy :-P | 18:25 |
| Treibholz | DocScrutinizer: yes, but it has the same bulky shape... | 18:25 |
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| ptl | remove the battery! it will become thinner | 18:26 |
| Treibholz | anyway, the n900 is the best phone-like device ever, yet. | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: so your requirement was oddly set | 18:26 |
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| Treibholz | though there is much potential to improve. | 18:27 |
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| dsster | I've found a great solution for all you torrent lovers. Just get a seedbox for $13 a month and never worry about bandwith again | 18:28 |
| ptl | ? | 18:28 |
| Treibholz | dsster: And I found a great solution for all spammers: go fuck yourself! | 18:28 |
| ptl | oh | 18:29 |
| ptl | spam | 18:29 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 18:29 |
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| ptl | thought it was something relevant | 18:29 |
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| dsster | How am i a spammer Treibholz ? | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: thanks :-D | 18:29 |
| ptl | dsster: I respectfully advise you to fornicate with your on body in the most invasive way | 18:29 |
| ptl | s/ on / own / | 18:29 |
| infobot | ptl meant: dsster: I respectfully advise you to fornicate with your own body in the most invasive way | 18:30 |
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| * DocScrutinizer politely points dsster to channel topic | 18:30 | |
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| ech0Asus | it's funny he thinks torrent lovers will pay for something... | 18:31 |
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| dsster | I just found about this recently so I thought I would get it out there | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more funny he thinks any torrent lovers in here that would care about his great solution | 18:32 |
| nid0 | ech0Asus: because seedboxes and usenet arent, like, massively popular, rite? | 18:32 |
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| ech0Asus | rofl their advertised on every torrent site | 18:33 |
| dsster | alright just forget about it then. for me $10 a month for unlimited is awesome | 18:33 |
| dsster | For me it's worth it. Only for me not you | 18:33 |
| ech0Asus | they are just as known | 18:33 |
| ech0Asus | no need to advertise that anywhere | 18:33 |
| ech0Asus | not like he's goin to make cash of it.. | 18:33 |
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| ech0Asus | dsster you now have on file you pay to download illegal shit | 18:34 |
| ech0Asus | enjoy your time in jail one day lol | 18:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer TOPIC! | 18:35 | |
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| ech0Asus | k, sorry lol.. anyways whats new today doc? | 18:36 |
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| ptl | dsster: what's the app you use for torrents on your maemo device? | 18:39 |
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| dsster | I am still waiting for it :( it's in the mail | 18:40 |
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| dsster | In my mind I already have it and trying to configure it for myself | 18:41 |
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| dsster | ptl: I heard Transmition is working very well... | 18:44 |
| dsster | I hear* | 18:44 |
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| ptl | lol | 18:47 |
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| dsster | After looking up heard, it is a past tense of hear so I was correct. I know irrelevant to topic but still, I thought maybe I wasn't the only one confused | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL there's no calculator on the iPad | 18:57 |
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| thresh | you can do calculations in google, MohammadAG | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | what if I'm out of internet coverage ;) | 18:58 |
| thresh | why would you need ipad then ;) | 18:58 |
| nid0 | or the like 500 calculator apps in the app store | 18:58 |
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| ptl | that's not much of a bad decision | 18:59 |
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| dsster | Does anyone here own a class 10 microSDHC card? if so how is it performing on the n900? | 18:59 |
| ptl | people who need the calculator will get it | 18:59 |
| nid0 | if there's a wide variety of a certain type of application in the store, it's in apple's interests not to include it on the device | 18:59 |
| glass | not a programmable calculator though | 18:59 |
| glass | remember no extra runtimes buahahaha | 19:00 |
| nid0 | makes the store look better + more attractive, and brings in extra cash for them | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on android and foulfruit phones you're fucked without coverage anyway | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well the iPhone drops coverage in the covered areas :P | 19:02 |
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| MohammadAG | (so you're fooked all the time) :) | 19:02 |
| * MohammadAG failed | 19:02 | |
| MohammadAG | File-roller doesn't open .tar.gz s on the N900 x.x | 19:02 |
| * javispedro thinks you should get xarchiver from diablo and start from ther | 19:03 | |
| MohammadAG | but it works on the SDK | 19:03 |
| javispedro | will be easier to make a sane guy | 19:03 |
| javispedro | err... *gui. | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or mc | 19:04 |
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| opdf2 | i know there are qr barcode apps, but is there one that lets me make a barcode of my contact information? | 19:04 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mc is terminal based afaik | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: now that's a funny idea :-) | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yep | 19:05 |
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| nid0 | opdf2: you can generate barcodes with any text content you want | 19:05 |
| opdf2 | is it in any of the repo? | 19:06 |
| MohammadAG | wow the xarchiver source is the weirdest I've ever seen | 19:06 |
| nid0 | eh? | 19:06 |
| opdf2 | i know i can make an image on my computer | 19:06 |
| nid0 | theres like 54690469048 websites that have barcode generators | 19:06 |
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| opdf2 | im wondering if there was a specific app | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: probably not, as there's no obvious usecase for barcodes generated on N900 | 19:08 |
| opdf2 | ty | 19:08 |
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| nid0 | considering you can just generate them through the browser anyway, should you need to | 19:09 |
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| opdf2 | yeah i have been, still just wondering if there was an app | 19:09 |
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| opdf2 | but theres not | 19:09 |
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| cehteh | since texlive is ported to n900 i bet there is a barecode package for it | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, was thinking along same line | 19:10 |
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| cehteh | would be bit bloated to have a full texlive installation to generate barcodes .. but well :) | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | barcode fontsets etc | 19:10 |
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| cehteh | there is a barecode generator in pure postscript somewhere | 19:11 |
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| cehteh | http://www.terryburton.co.uk/barcodewriter/ | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, well the open dialog is better | 19:12 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: consider that the n900 doesn't have coreutils but the sdk does. xarchivar installed gnu versions of some tools, gtar for example | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | other than that | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | nada | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: what you're planning to do? | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, good point | 19:12 |
| nid0 | tbh, itd take 5 minutes to knock up an app to generate qr barcodes using google's chart api | 19:12 |
| opdf2 | i made a barcode of my contact information so people could just scan it for my info | 19:12 |
| nid0 | would need a net connection to work, but would be tiny | 19:12 |
| Treibholz | javispedro: you can install gnu-coreutils | 19:12 |
| javispedro | .... which doesn't matter if the gui isn't using them. | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | Treibholz, yes he said that | 19:13 |
| Treibholz | oh, sorry... | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | OptX: sounds like a nice project | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | <javispedro> MohammadAG: consider that the n900 doesn't have coreutils but the sdk does. xarchivar installed gnu versions of some tools, gtar for example | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | gtar is part of gcoreutils afaik | 19:13 |
| Treibholz | MohammadAG: there ist coreutils and gnu-coreutils. gnu-coreutils doesn't conflict with busybox, which makes it nicer :-) | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I installed proper tar yesterday (to create backup before saying goddbye to my N900). Wasn't in coreutils | 19:14 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, gcoreutils | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | kk | 19:15 |
| * Treibholz is wondering, why his backup with rsnapshot didn't worl last night... | 19:15 | |
| MohammadAG | actually | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | you're right | 19:15 |
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| ptl | saying goodbye? What happened to your n900? | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't have them x.x | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | he murdered it | 19:15 |
| ptl | how? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sshhhhhh | 19:16 |
| * MohammadAG stays shut | 19:16 | |
| MohammadAG | :) | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin flat-pastic-connector broke. Those are too flimpsy obviously | 19:17 |
| ptl | :-| | 19:17 |
| ptl | oh, you sent to Nokia to fix? | 19:17 |
| ptl | that will take ages | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ | 19:17 |
| dsster | 10 days from what i read | 19:17 |
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| Ebzzry | Hi! Is there a 'todo' app that has an audible alarm? | 19:19 |
| nid0 | the calendar has a to-do list | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ebzzry: maybe you want to have a look to alarmed app | 19:20 |
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| javispedro | aha, a page in a few seconds. | 19:22 |
| javispedro | how many posts for the two unexplainable meego screenshots thread? | 19:22 |
| BCMM | i have a little "no entry" sign in the status bit (the bit with the signal strength and so on) | 19:22 |
| javispedro | place your bets, ladies and gentleman. | 19:22 |
| BCMM | what does it mean? | 19:22 |
| BCMM | (i am currently connected to wifi and to a linux machine using usb networking) | 19:22 |
| BCMM | qfree | 19:23 |
| javispedro | BCMM: means that any instant messaging protocol failed to connect | 19:23 |
| BCMM | wrong window, sorry | 19:23 |
| BCMM | javispedro: ah, thanks | 19:23 |
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| javispedro | BCMM: unless it sits right below the signal bar, in which case it means "plane mode" | 19:23 |
| javispedro | aka cellmo disabled | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: your online-accounts like SIP, jabber etc aren't able to connect | 19:24 |
| BCMM | maybe it doesn't like me being logged into skype on a computer at the same time | 19:24 |
| BCMM | which would be odd, because you can have as many computers as you like logged in at once... | 19:24 |
| javispedro | that works here | 19:24 |
| javispedro | probably temporary error, bring in the presence applet and disconnect/reconnect | 19:25 |
| BCMM | presence applet - where? | 19:26 |
| BCMM | sorry, total newbie | 19:26 |
| BCMM | phone arrived today | 19:26 |
| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: pardon me, but what were you referring to? | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ebzzry: a nice 'little' app to set all sorts of timed events, including alarms and notifications | 19:27 |
| BCMM | ah there we go | 19:27 |
| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: and what is the name of that app? | 19:28 |
| nid0 | errr | 19:28 |
| nid0 | he gave you it's name | 19:29 |
| nid0 | and I gave you another option | 19:29 |
| BCMM | hah, neglected teh possibility that there was actually no 'net connection | 19:29 |
| BCMM | probably doesn't like being on wifi and usb at the same time | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ebzzry: 'alarmed' is the name. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: routing may be messed up | 19:32 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: yeah, it got happier when i dis/reconnected the wifi after setting up USB networking | 19:32 |
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| BCMM | when i'm at my own desk again, i'll set up my computer to act as a gateway | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, now you got me into porting gnutar and rest of the dependencies grr | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 19:33 |
| javispedro | why don't ya just pull the diablo packages and push them to fremantle | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: huh? My tar of yesterday was fine, except it wasn't in $PATH | 19:34 |
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| MohammadAG | gnutar | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | gnutar, gnuzip, bzip2, zip, unzip, unrar, arj, lha, p7zip, lzma | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | well that confirms it | 19:36 |
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| MohammadAG | REJECTED: The same or newer version (tar 1.22-2maemo5) is already in extras-devel | 19:36 |
| hrw | X-Fade: how goes symbols squeeze sdk? | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | hrw: we're testing how many packages the squeeze devkit kills | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# /usr/bin/gnu/tar -t -f /media/mmc1/backup/repair.tgz | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | hrw: the symbols files themselves are done | 19:38 |
| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: I'm getting this though: http://imgur.com/070ev.png | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, thanks :) | 19:38 |
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| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, disable -devel | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ebzzry: friggin PR1.2 autobuilder megabork | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: alarmed is in devel :-P | 19:40 |
| andrewfblack | anyway to see most downloaded programs in extras on maemo.org? | 19:40 |
| * MohammadAG fails yet again | 19:40 | |
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| MohammadAG | can build it for PR1.1.1 | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | but let me finish xarchiver first | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: ^^^ | 19:40 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders what DocScrutinizer was pointing at | 19:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: <Ebzzry> DocScrutinizer: I'm getting this though: http://imgur.com/070ev.png | 19:42 |
| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: alarmed is in -devel | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 19:43 |
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| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, was it necessary to point my fail again? ;) | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | will build it in a bit | 19:43 |
| Ebzzry | Sorry, I got disconnected and didn't see the scrollback. | 19:44 |
| Ebzzry | For -testing? | 19:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if maybe jebba's mirror has stopped syncing to keep it in a useable state... | 19:45 | |
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| smhar | greetings | 19:48 |
| smhar | I am wondering if Nokia will ever release an arabic keyboard (physical) now that they are planning a new device already | 19:48 |
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| microlith | smhar: only Nokia knows | 19:49 |
| javispedro | alias reg=gconftool-2 | 19:49 |
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| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb | 19:50 |
| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: Thanks. I'll fetch it now. | 19:50 |
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| MohammadAG | smhar, arabic isn't officially supported, so I doubt it | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | np | 19:50 |
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| andre__ | smhar, "already" sounds funny in your sentence | 19:51 |
| khertan | heya ! | 19:51 |
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| smhar | andre__, because this is my experience with Nokia, as soon as I purchase a mobile they announce a replacement | 19:52 |
| andre__ | haha, okay :) | 19:53 |
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| Ebzzry | It complains about pyside-qt4-* not being installed. | 19:53 |
| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: It complains about pyside-qt4-* not being installed. | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get -f install | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG | why were all the old packages cleaned :/ | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-04-13 18:39:52] <DocScrutinizer> Ebzzry: friggin PR1.2 autobuilder megabork | 19:57 |
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| khertan | because i think of bug in maemo.org/packages | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my package should work | 19:57 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what does pyside have anything to do with it? | 19:57 |
| khertan | sometimes use old icon, old description, old bugtracker link | 19:57 |
| khertan | but i think also is too reduce size of extras-devel size index on rootfs | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no idea, just guessing here. Can't check/confirm | 19:58 |
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| khertan | in prevision of a futur pr1.2 release | 19:58 |
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| * slonopotamus hates hitting bugs in libs :( | 19:58 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, built it using the PR1.1.1 SDK, so again, it should work :) | 19:58 |
| khertan | s/too/to | 19:58 |
| khertan | ~ping | 19:58 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 'it' here is what exactly? | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Ebzzry, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/alarmed_0.1.8-3_all.deb | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | that | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the pyside libs simply aren't installed on Ebzzry's device I guess | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> apt-get -f install | 20:01 |
| Ebzzry | Where can I get them? | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:01 |
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| Ebzzry | I did that, but it doesn't work. | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, do the command above :/ | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get -f install | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | what does it say? | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | syntax error, missing mandatory argument <package> ? | 20:02 |
| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: it asks permission to remove alarmed. If I hit yes, then install alarmed later, I'm back at square one. | 20:03 |
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| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, after doing that, dpkg -i it again, then tell me which package conflicts | 20:03 |
| khertan | did you know any pyqt app available on the n900 ? | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, healthcheck? | 20:06 |
| khertan | it s pygtk, isn't it ? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | no | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | nope, Qt | 20:06 |
| khertan | oh ... i ll check it so :) | 20:06 |
| khertan | i ve many strange problem with my qt dev | 20:07 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 20:07 | |
| khertan | so i ll look if it s happen also on it :) | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | now pyside packages are broken | 20:07 |
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| frals | hmpf | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | 1.2 needs to come out, quick! | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-P | 20:07 |
| frals | using osso_abook functions is 0.1sec slower on load then the ebook | 20:07 |
| khertan | hum ... ouf ... mine was installed before | 20:07 |
| frals | :( | 20:07 |
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| MohammadAG | yay I cached previous debs | 20:08 |
| * frals blames lcuk | 20:08 | |
| khertan | but some things arent working with release 0.2 | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: friggin repo autobuilder megabork needs a fix, last week!!! | 20:08 |
| khertan | like the QSyntaxHilighter | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# ls pyside* | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | pyside-qt4-base_0.2.3-1maemo3_armel.deb | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | pyside-qt4-core_0.2.3-1maemo3_armel.deb | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | and the rest of them | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 20:08 |
| lcuk | frals, blaming me for what exactly | 20:08 |
| frals | lizardo: your example works great, cheers :) | 20:08 |
| Ebzzry | gah | 20:09 |
| frals | lcuk: using the proper osso_abook functions to get name from contact adds 0.1s to loading time of fmms! | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, gimme a sec | 20:09 |
| javispedro | frals: ditch python! ;) | 20:09 |
| lcuk | ! | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | 0.1s, you timed that? lol | 20:09 |
| * timeless_mbp tries an over the air ssu | 20:09 | |
| lcuk | you will gave over 9000 seconds | 20:09 |
| lcuk | gain even | 20:10 |
| khertan | ok i got the same problem with healthcheck | 20:10 |
| frals | MohammadAG: yes | 20:10 |
| Ebzzry | pyside-qt4-(base|core|maemo5|gui) is not installed. | 20:10 |
| frals | javispedro: i blame osso_abook in this case! | 20:10 |
| khertan | seems it to come from .my pyqt, pyside or qt binding problem | 20:10 |
| javispedro | how you dare blame some C library! | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, yes, they're broken too, I have them cached | 20:10 |
| frals | i think the extra time is spent waiting for the aggregator to get ready, need to do some more testing i think | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | just give me time to up them | 20:11 |
| Ebzzry | ok | 20:11 |
| lcuk | frals, whats the margin of error on your 0.1s startup difference | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg - warning: downgrading pyside-qt4-core from 0.3.0-1maemo1 to 0.2.3-1maemo3. | 20:11 |
| * MohammadAG wonders what he's going to break | 20:11 | |
| khertan | Hum now i ve interest in Pr1.2 ... coding in pyqt :) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | and can it be attributed to swans flying past the window or something | 20:11 |
| frals | only did 10 tests but seems +-0.02sec | 20:12 |
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| MohammadAG | Setting up alarmed (0.1.8-3) ... | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | Processing triggers for python-support ... | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/opt/var/cache/apt/archives# | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | take that autobuilder! | 20:12 |
| frals | only did some simple tests, gonna see what it does to the whole application | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:12 |
| lcuk | ofc | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | you may be swapping some pain initially for gain internally | 20:13 |
| lcuk | but feel free to blame me :) i will pass on compliments to those who require it lol | 20:13 |
| frals | hehe | 20:13 |
| * javispedro tinks you're putting too much blame on the autobuilder. qt packages _were renamed_. those are going to break no matter what. | 20:13 | |
| frals | would be nice if osso_abook was opensource so it be easier to see what it does | 20:13 |
| frals | anyway need to get my hair cut now, need to look proper tomorrow! | 20:13 |
| javispedro | fixed in MeeGo (TM)! | 20:14 |
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| khertan | javispedro: /me blame nothing | 20:14 |
| lcuk | frals, ? gettin married? | 20:14 |
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| frals | hehe | 20:15 |
| frals | meeting someone i recon its worth looking proper for ;D | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: at marriage time you won the game, no more need to look proper | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | frals, ur mum doesn't mind what you look like | 20:16 |
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| frals | lol | 20:16 |
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| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/pyside.zip | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, | 20:21 |
| Ebzzry | ok | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | don't use zips, but I thought you might not know how to untar a tar.bz2 | 20:21 |
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| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: what made you think that? | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd probably fail on unzip | 20:22 |
| Ebzzry | MohammadAG: what would be the size if it was .tar.bz2? how about lzma? | 20:23 |
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| lizardo | guys just a small tip which might help early PySide users try the latest 0.3.0 packages from extras-devel: we could manage to test them by adding the SDK repositories to the N900 and upgrading *only* the libqt4* packages from there ... worked for PySide, but YMMV | 20:24 |
| lizardo | we didn't document it anywhere because it is too hack to even be put public somewhere in www.pyside.org :D | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Ebzzry, it doeesn't matter in this case, since debs don't get compressed | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | so: 6.5MBs | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> I'd probably fail on unzip LOL | 20:25 |
| wazd | seriously, those meego mock ups are pretty weird | 20:25 |
| wazd | I'd say they are fake :) | 20:25 |
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| khertan | Ouch there is so many : i can't install/update apps X on t.m.o | 20:26 |
| khertan | Ouch there is so many : i can't install/update apps X thread on t.m.o | 20:26 |
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| Trizt | delete them if you can | 20:26 |
| smhar | how difficult is to remap the 'physical' keys, as I can have the key printed on the keyboard | 20:27 |
| khertan | lizardo : i m happy to ear it ... i ll so be able to start dev on device :) | 20:27 |
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| khertan | before 1.2 | 20:27 |
| khertan | :) | 20:27 |
| wazd | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8537/meegohandheldui1.jpg <- is shelly McGregor on hold? is +44 2456697823 here number? is it separate number on hold? How can I switch to it? How can I hang held call? | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | smhar, I think there's already an arabic keymap | 20:28 |
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| wazd | and why for god sake the most important info "caller's name" is so small | 20:28 |
| lcuk | wazd looks like the call is just on hold | 20:28 |
| wazd | lcuk: how to pick up it then? | 20:29 |
| wazd | lcuk: end call? :) | 20:29 |
| smhar | great, so I just need to imprint the arabic alphanum on it | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | wazd i dunno | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | smhar, download ukeyboard | 20:30 |
| Kegetys | why is there a dog on it, I dont want a dog on it | 20:30 |
| lcuk | wazd, look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZmkuuFKz5s at 1:20 there is a bit about very similar call screen | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | it comes by default | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: seems printing new symbols on the caps isn't working too good with backlight | 20:30 |
| smhar | MohammadAG, what is ukeyboard? a virtual keyboard? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | wazd: but isn't the dog cute? | 20:31 |
| wazd | lcuk: this is a mockup that can be done in like 1 hour of one man brainstorming right before the event | 20:31 |
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| wazd | javispedro: where is the dog? :D | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | smhar, yes, and it adds keymaps afaik | 20:31 |
| wazd | javispedro: I'm watching UI prom here :D | 20:31 |
| wazd | pron* | 20:31 |
| lcuk | wazd its been there for over a year then | 20:31 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, there is a shop here that does laser printing to notebook keyboards | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: check kbd in the dark | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hard to print transparent parts to black plastics | 20:33 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, what about transparent tickers | 20:34 |
| wazd | not to mention full iphone statusbar replica | 20:34 |
| wazd | exact | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | the original letters will shine thru | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: thanks for the video lcuk, was looking for it | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: you might add transparent stickers with small white additional arabic letters | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those won't shine in the dark, but at least it might work in daylight | 20:36 |
| lcuk | javispedro, came up in unrelated stuff | 20:36 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, it seems it is a messy business. I hate it | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 20:37 |
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| * MohammadAG won a discount code from ZAGG | 20:37 | |
| MohammadAG | oh hi noobmonk3y | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | hey hey! :D | 20:37 |
| noobmonk3y | everyone having a gd day? | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I have been out spreading my seed, and am finally finished. | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (the lawn) | 20:38 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 20:38 |
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| Trizt | SpeedEvil; I don't think the babes likes to be called for lawns | 20:40 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-D | 20:49 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia could be talked into producing blank keymats, to either print/laser your own custom keymapping in black on a white keycap, or etch/mill/laser out black varnish for the transparent white symbols | 20:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | that would be awesome | 20:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | is there a hardware reason shift+blue+key won't work? | 20:52 |
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| * mece concurs that it would infact be awesome. | 20:52 | |
| mece | won't it? | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | shift-blue x and y both produce identcal output | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, for my y2000 6210 I remember that lil plastic thingy at the bottom you could **send in to nokia and get it lasermarked with your name** or whatever you liked | 20:53 |
| mece | Speedevil, but is there something mapped to them? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for free! | 20:53 |
| mece | wow | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: j/k and z/x seem to do the same thing | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: n-key rollover? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: no diodes in kbd matrix | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | dunno | 20:56 |
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| TheOne | hi | 20:57 |
| TheOne | can someone give me some tips, how i can figure out why my n900 is so slow today? | 20:58 |
| TheOne | i mean scrolling has lags and even the terminal output is slow | 20:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | What did you install/do recently | 20:59 |
| SpeedEvil | have you added lots of music or videos? | 20:59 |
| TheOne | i did not do anything the last days with my n900 - only yesterday i charge the battery | 20:59 |
| E0x | run top | 21:00 |
| E0x | and check if something is eating cpu | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on a short glance there are 8 QCOL and 8 QROW, and seems Fn, Shift, Ctrl don't conflict with any of the standard keys | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so N-key rollover for the qualifier keys shouldn't be an issue | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 21:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | shift-blue, and ctrl-blue are not too hard to get with a fat thumb | 21:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I use shift-numbers for xchat channels forex | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I finally got a qwerty ordered :-)) | 21:03 |
| TheOne | E0x: nothing special if i do nothing, but if i type something or press the display /usr/bin/Xorg reached 100% cpu usage | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | what the... | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set | 21:03 |
| mece | MohammadAG, you need to make clean before recompiling in arm | 21:04 |
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| MohammadAG | I compiled for arm | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | just testing some changes in X86 | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | and it's not compiling | 21:05 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, as I said, you need to make clean first. | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | nvm figured it ou | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | t | 21:05 |
| mece | :) | 21:05 |
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| TheOne | i turned off the device and removed the battery and than restart again - now it behaves normal again | 21:16 |
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| TheOne | but i dont know why | 21:17 |
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| lcuk | TheOne, open console, type top - wait and see whats taking up cpu | 21:20 |
| lcuk | if you have a next time | 21:20 |
| SpeedEvil | TheOne: some application is using up lots of resources | 21:20 |
| TheOne | i did that, but i could not see any special | 21:21 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | htop is nicer | 21:22 |
| TheOne | but if i typed something i get houge cpu usage | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil_ | shows the long process names better | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: scratch N-key rollover comment :-/ Fn: QROW4,QCOL5; Shift: QROW4,QCOL6; Ctrl: QROW4,QCOL4 -- means e.g. pressing Sh-Fn shorts QCOL6-5. "Z": QCOL5; "X": QCOL5 | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | err "X": QCOL6 | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | J:5 K:6 | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E pressing any 2 of shift,Fn, ctrl concurrently will inevitably break detection of the correct letter key for some keys | 21:27 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | DocScrutinizer: slightly annoying. as long as it works for many I suppose | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, nokia managed to mess it up *thoroughly* :-((( - for the keyboard matrix | 21:29 |
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| * andrewfblack wonders why his newest blog post hasn't shown on planet yet | 21:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | some diodes for at least the 3 qualidier keys would have solved it for good | 21:32 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shakes head in disbelieve | 21:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean, even a friggin schottky costs what? 2cent? | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems to me like my arguments why Nokia needs to hire me are getting better and better | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | DocScrutinizer: naah | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | DocScrutinizer: software | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | oh | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | nvm | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't fix | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil_ | yeah | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2key rollover you can do in sw, N-key rollover needs hw | 21:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | and the way they do things seems to break number keys for x2x. | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: do you think it'd help to open tickets against hw-issues? | 21:38 |
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| Sargun | dockside, Nokia should hire you, agreed. | 21:42 |
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| Sargun | DocScrutinizer, Agreed, Nokia should hire you | 21:43 |
| dmj726_n900 | updoc | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:43 |
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| dmj726_n900 | what's updoc? | 21:44 |
| dockside | Sargun: huh? | 21:45 |
| jef91 | Can I make my n900 not go idle when I'm not using it? My download keeps pausng when the phone goes idle :-/ | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: doubt it | 21:45 |
| Sargun | dockside, Sorry, no, Nokia shouldn't hire you | 21:45 |
| dockside | ehm, is Sargun a bot? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: the question probably was too unprecise. Help what is the question | 21:46 |
| Sargun | DocScrutinizer, Didn't a lot of OM go work for Samsung? | 21:46 |
| dmj726_n900 | I don't think they would make too many changes other than to improve yields or increase safety. | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sargun: not afaik | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: bugzilla is traditionally for sw bugs :/ | 21:46 |
| Sargun | DocScrutinizer, Where did most of the OM team go? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | everywhere | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or nowhere, oblivion? | 21:47 |
| * RST38h almost made EMULib internal config menu accept mouse clicks | 21:47 | |
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| dmj726_n900 | anyone know how to make desktop keyboard numbers work right? | 21:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | (through x2x of course) | 21:49 |
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| RST38h | let us see... | 21:50 |
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| TheOne | how do i change the default pdf viewer to evince ? | 21:50 |
| TheOne | or default browser to firefox? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I seem to remember mimetypes | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably some gconftool crap once again | 21:51 |
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| wazd | btw, this broken live wallpaper deb in devel | 21:54 |
| wazd | that's ours I guess | 21:54 |
| lcuk | "ours"? | 21:55 |
| wazd | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/livewp/ | 21:55 |
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| lcuk | what do you mean by ours though | 21:55 |
| wazd | me, vlad and Tanya are working on it :) | 21:55 |
| * lcuk tips hat | 21:56 | |
| lcuk | then, yes it most likely is | 21:56 |
| lcuk | its on my device | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | wazd, will the sky weather change eventually ? | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i see it does day/night | 21:57 |
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| lcuk | it would be good to incorporate some of the omweather logic if you havent already | 21:58 |
| wazd | lcuk: we'll see | 21:58 |
| wazd | lcuk: we have this idea on board but we should fit into FRUCT contest timings | 21:58 |
| wazd | lcuk: so maybe a bit later | 21:59 |
| lcuk | :) reasonable enough | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | tick tock lcuk | 22:01 |
| javispedro | wazd: pretty nice (livewp) | 22:01 |
| Wolfie | I'm hazarding a guess that this blogpost might interest you in this channel, http://wolfie.github.com/2010/04/13/fittss-outlaw.html | 22:01 |
| wazd | javispedro: well, I hope so :D | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, yes \o | 22:03 |
| wazd | javispedro: I can only judge by Vlad's descriptions and screenshots :D | 22:03 |
| javispedro | I was taking a look at the package yesterday to see how it was done | 22:03 |
| * lcuk still finds this incredibly hard to believed personally | 22:03 | |
| javispedro | :) | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | what do you think then javispedro | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | about? technical part -- seems doable. art -- pretty :) | 22:05 |
| lcuk | javispedro, not just art tho | 22:07 |
| lcuk | all sorts of practicalities occur | 22:07 |
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| Nils^ | hey people. I often ssh to the same connection with my n900 and it would be nice to have a shortcut on my desktop that invokes the terminal and directly ssh into the specified adress. | 22:23 |
| Nils^ | So nothing else like startterminalcommand -x command ... like any linux terminal can do. But how to manually create a desktop shortcut? | 22:23 |
| toresbe | you know of .ssh/config, right? | 22:23 |
| lcuk | Nils^, theres a desktop wdget that can add buttons for commands such as you speak. i think at least | 22:24 |
| lcuk | but i cant think what its called ;) | 22:24 |
| toresbe | If you add something like "Host hjem" (newline) "Hostname foo.bar.org" (newline) "Username foobarbaz" | 22:24 |
| toresbe | you can just run "ssh hjem" which is what I do :) | 22:24 |
| Nils^ | toresbe: the problem is not to shortcut the ssh command, I have a script for that. The desktop shortcut is the problem. | 22:25 |
| Nils^ | the Icon, I mean. | 22:25 |
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| toresbe | Yeah, I know, but I was making a second-best suggestion :) | 22:25 |
| Nils^ | ok, I already have a second best, thanks :) | 22:25 |
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| Nils^ | Desktop Command Execution Widget | 22:27 |
| Nils^ | I already have this installed... the description sounded so nice.. but why did it not do what I thought... second attempt then. | 22:27 |
| Nils^ | but so far I have my n900 for one week now. Feels like home :) | 22:28 |
| Nils^ | never used a smartphone before and I can't think of anything more smart than linux | 22:28 |
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| TheOne | does nobody change some mimetype handlings ? i can not imagine the firefox user didnt change the default link handling | 22:31 |
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| joomster | and that is? | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | hm, my operator has half-fixed 2g.. 2 bars | 22:32 |
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| ShadowJK | better than none and having oto use 3g :) | 22:32 |
| lcuk | i like the idea of buying a harddrive preloaded with movies | 22:32 |
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| joomster | yes but then how much would that cost? | 22:33 |
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| TheOne | joomster: the default maemo browser handles links | 22:33 |
| TheOne | e.g. if you got some email with a link and you click it, the maemo browser opens up | 22:34 |
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| TheOne | but i want to change that to firefox/fennec | 22:34 |
| ToJa92 | [TheOne]: Use browser switchboard | 22:34 |
| ToJa92 | works perfectly | 22:34 |
| TheOne | and for pdf via filemanager? | 22:35 |
| n900-dk | Any one having an error like "missing: libhildon1 (>=2.2.10)" when trying to install apps? | 22:35 |
| TheOne | ToJa92: can i change this via switchboard too? | 22:35 |
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| ToJa92 | [TheOne]: No you can't.. it's only for browsers | 22:35 |
| ToJa92 | and I have no idea on how to change the other associations. | 22:36 |
| TheOne | okay, than i have to look under the hood of switchboard | 22:36 |
| TheOne | i found some link, but that doesnt work for me | 22:36 |
| TheOne | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=15194 | 22:36 |
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| ShadowJK | n900-dk, you're trying too install from -testing or -devel | 22:37 |
| TheOne | i changed text/html to fennec.desktop and pdf to evince.desktop but it didnt work | 22:37 |
| n900-dk | ShadowJK: yes, is there a way to solve this? | 22:37 |
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| ToJa92 | [n900-dk]: Try (as root): apt-get install --reinstall libhildon1 | 22:38 |
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| Nils^ | is 2.2.3 higher or lower than 2.2.10 ? | 22:39 |
| inz | lower | 22:39 |
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| javispedro | Nokia just sent me an email where they talk (<h1>) about "Interenet" on your phone | 22:40 |
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| Nils^ | then reinstall libhildon1 does not change anything because 2.2.3 is in the repository | 22:40 |
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| joomster | I cant stand using firefox/fennec, it's so laggy and slow | 22:40 |
| joomster | i dont see how people could use it | 22:40 |
| ToJa92 | oh, then IIRC it's because the autobuilder is updated and uses newer dependencies(from PR 1.2) | 22:40 |
| ShadowJK | n900-dk, -devel is building apps for firmware 1.2. firmware 1.2 isn't released yet. So, the end-user solution is to not install stuff from -devel and wait for the next firmware upgrade | 22:40 |
| Timbo | i thought #n900 was rather quiet... | 22:40 |
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| ToJa92 | [joomster]: I use it all the time | 22:41 |
| ToJa92 | or actually fennec | 22:41 |
| ToJa92 | it's faster than firefox 1.0 | 22:41 |
| Timbo | it did seem slow when i tried it | 22:41 |
| Timbo | chromium seems better | 22:41 |
| joomster | you mean the beta? | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: aren't there spare keyboard lines? If so you could just brute force it - no need for diodes - one line per key | 22:41 |
| ToJa92 | [joomster]: Yeah | 22:41 |
| Timbo | but the ui is too desktop orientated right now | 22:41 |
| joomster | beta builds? | 22:41 |
| joomster | ok | 22:41 |
| Timbo | i don't mind microb though | 22:42 |
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| Timbo | trem o_O | 22:42 |
| ToJa92 | I use it mostly for Weave... which keeps everything synced between my desktop computer, N900 and laptop computer | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil_ | lynx is fast. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil_: seems they used all 8 x 8 | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ff from a desktop displaying via wifi is ok too. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil_ | with the right extensions. | 22:45 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | rather sucks battery tho | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno why they didn't use 3 dedicated rows or cols for the 3 qualifier keys - I mean 5 x 8 = 40 still | 22:45 |
| zash | !e | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway 3 schottkys were a nobrainer | 22:46 |
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| trem | Timbo: ? | 22:52 |
| Timbo | sorry, trem to me means http://tremulous.net/ :) | 22:53 |
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| joomster | So would anyone recommend installing the latest beta of fennec? | 22:56 |
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| ToJa92 | [joomster]: If you use it regulary and I would recommend it... It some new stuff such as portrait mode too. | 22:57 |
| ToJa92 | It have some* | 22:57 |
| joomster | I dont use it regularly because it tends to freeze/choke alot :S | 22:57 |
| joomster | has it improved in those terms? | 22:57 |
| ToJa92 | yeah, sometimes the scrolling freezes though and the startup time is still kinda slow, but otherwise it's much better IMO | 22:58 |
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| joomster | so would this be the latest version? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/candidates/1.0.1rc1-candidates/build1/maemo/en-US/ | 22:59 |
| joomster | march 30th | 22:59 |
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| ToJa92 | no... they're built nightly so the newest one is today ;) | 23:00 |
| ToJa92 | do you have the mozilla FTP repository on your N900? | 23:00 |
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| joomster | I have the one that was added when i installed fennec from their web site :S | 23:01 |
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| ToJa92 | oh | 23:01 |
| ToJa92 | well | 23:01 |
| joomster | not the ftp one i suppose | 23:01 |
| ToJa92 | if you just want to try it out, here's the latest build: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/2010-04-13-02-mobile-trunk/ | 23:02 |
| ToJa92 | otherwise I could send you the repository details | 23:02 |
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| joomster | ill try this out for now. Will it play nicely with the 1.0 release or overwrite? | 23:03 |
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| ToJa92 | I think it'll overwrite.. I'm not too sure | 23:03 |
| joomster | if i install a deb using dpkg will it now show in the app manager for uninstallation? | 23:03 |
| ToJa92 | yes it should | 23:03 |
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| joomster | ok | 23:03 |
| joomster | *not | 23:03 |
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| joomster | thanks, ill give it a shot | 23:04 |
| ToJa92 | if it doesn't the package name is fennec so it's easy to remove anyway | 23:04 |
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| fabinader | Hi, I'm failing in building a C++ application which requires the pre-processor directive #include_next within Scratchbox... Does anybody knows if it works correctly for Maemo? | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil_: well, with a slightly less braindamaged matrix layout the whole qualifier key N-key rolover issue would have been fixed for good with absolutely 0 BOM change | 23:05 |
| fabinader | As #include_next is not being executed properly, it is failing on the compilation... By adding manually the content it works perfectly.... | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil_: also both the 2stage camkey as well as lockslider aren't affected by the matrix messup, and as such would make really nice qualifier keys ;-D | 23:06 |
| joomster | fabinader, maybe ask in #maemo-dev | 23:06 |
| joomster | I needed help just setting up esbox alone and no one ever responded :S | 23:07 |
| fabinader | OK, thanks! | 23:07 |
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| tekonivelm | I wish Gwibber was available for Maemo | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | so compile it | 23:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=gwibber+maemo | 23:13 |
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| tekonivelm | F.ex. Some bloke has started devedloping his own Facebook app | 23:16 |
| tekonivelm | Saw it on planet.maemo.org | 23:16 |
| tekonivelm | But gwibber would accomplish what he's after | 23:17 |
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| tekonivelm | Well, i don't know rly what his plans are, but i think it would be beneficial to have a coordinated status updating clinet on Maemo | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: have you seen any hw boad revision 'jumpers' ? | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (thinking about N900i) | 23:19 |
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| jacekowski | i'm trying to start app in armel target | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | i have my xserver running, and exported DISPLAY | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no. You mean to allow sw detection of hw version? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | (gwibber) facebrick? | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | but when i start application nothing appears on display | 23:21 |
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| jacekowski | ( and when i kill xserver i get error can't connect to xserver ) | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, like on GTA02 | 23:21 |
| dmj726_n900 | I secured the game rights to the highest rated film in theaters (according to rotten tomatoes). :P | 23:21 |
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| petteri | i think you can only compile with armel target | 23:21 |
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| jacekowski | well, i should get something on xserver | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | not just blank screen | 23:22 |
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| jacekowski | after trying to connect my phone to that xserver i get something | 23:23 |
| dmj726_n900 | Actually everybody has the rights, but I've started working on one with a bit of help from the director. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: probably could be accomplished via IMEI or SER# lookup table | 23:23 |
| dmj726_n900 | very nice open source artwork. | 23:23 |
| pupnik | good luck dmj726_n900 | 23:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | Sita Sings the Blues is a good movie. | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/ser#/S\/N/ | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wepad.mobi/en shiny | 23:27 |
| wao | guys, what do you say at samsung galaxy s | 23:28 |
| wao | and at htc desire? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, the 'I'm no iPad killer' metoo | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what should we say? Maybe 'Hi desire! Hide, here comes my N900!" :-P | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG | xarchiver pushed and fixed | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | night :) | 23:31 |
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| wall[e] | hi | 23:38 |
| wall[e] | anyone like populous? | 23:38 |
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| wall[e] | i want a clone that can play with stylus | 23:39 |
| wall[e] | like the nds version | 23:39 |
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| jacekowski | is there source avaliable of hildon-input-methods? | 23:39 |
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| wall[e] | let me know if you want to make this populous engine idea. i can do both coding and graphics | 23:40 |
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| pupnik | wall[e]: are there any free sources for the needed graphics? | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh :-) | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if it's not possible to have a modified domesheet to integrate the diodes into the spring domes | 23:44 |
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| dmj726_n900 | what would this game be like? | 23:45 |
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| wall[e] | pupnik, no, but I could remake them. | 23:46 |
| wall[e] | I'm quite ok with blender. | 23:47 |
| pupnik | i am surprised there arent populous clones | 23:47 |
| wall[e] | can be played with emulator though | 23:47 |
| wall[e] | but stylus won't work | 23:47 |
| pupnik | which emu? amiga, dos, atarist? | 23:48 |
| pupnik | ds? snes? | 23:48 |
| wall[e] | snes and picodrive i think | 23:48 |
| wall[e] | well, i can't remember how many version there are | 23:49 |
| wall[e] | too many populous versions | 23:49 |
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| wall[e] | (to remember) | 23:49 |
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| pupnik | wall[e]: which version of populous did you prefer? | 23:52 |
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| wall[e] | pupnik, any basic version I don't know | 23:53 |
| wall[e] | but I like powermonger | 23:53 |
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| wall[e] | prefer for playing or for cloning? | 23:53 |
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| wall[e] | the basic version answer was for cloning. | 23:53 |
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| wall[e] | also look for a gnu go client | 23:55 |
| wall[e] | i wrote one, look very nice but can't easily be ported :S | 23:56 |
| pupnik | http://freepop.sourceforge.net/ | 23:56 |
| wall[e] | thanks! | 23:56 |
| wall[e] | promising | 23:56 |
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| wall[e] | thanks again! | 23:57 |
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| wall[e] | graphics look horrible but may be ai could be useful | 23:58 |
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| wall[e] | s/ai/simulator/ | 23:59 |
| infobot | wall[e] meant: graphics look horrible but may be simulator could be useful | 23:59 |
| wall[e] | thanks. | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | i think i found the problem with all caps in chromium | 23:59 |
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