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| GAN900 | The iPad really, really needs a kickstand | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | It needs a kick | 00:00 |
| javispedro | iPad + kickstand reference reminds javispedro of ... | 00:00 |
| GAN900 | You have to be holding it constantly if you want a good angle on the screen. | 00:00 |
| jaska | a stand to put it on so you can kick it better? | 00:00 |
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| jaska | like a tee for golf balls | 00:00 |
| b-man | luke-jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47479 - for ramzswap ;) | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | Otacon22: because that's not a bug really | 00:01 |
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| Otacon22 | it's an application bug | 00:01 |
| Otacon22 | so it is a bug. | 00:02 |
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| Otacon22 | please don't say thing that are not right | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | Otacon22: that it refuses to authenticate using invalid certificate? | 00:02 |
| b-man | javispedro: lol | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | b-man: looks liek N900 | 00:02 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: that one is a bug (believe me I've been monitoring wpa ones) | 00:02 |
| Otacon22 | no. The WPA2 EAP TLS auth fail with any certificate. | 00:02 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: I do know there are quite a few that are not bugs (psk key lens, override invalid certificate requests... etc.) but that one is a bug. | 00:02 |
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| Otacon22 | not invalid one | 00:02 |
| Otacon22 | but also a valid one | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | oh | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | well, can't you just remove that certificate from keyring? | 00:03 |
| javispedro | not from the ui, but I guess yes. | 00:04 |
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| corecode | oh jesus i hope they don't build hardware like they write kernel code | 00:12 |
| javispedro | they build worse hardware | 00:12 |
| t-tan | there must be reason why most stuff is closed-source.... | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | er | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | It's not even close to most | 00:14 |
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| javispedro | hardware, hardware! | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | But the reasons are usually: differentiation, trade secrets, legacy or 3rd party. | 00:14 |
| t-tan | stuff that matters to access important hw components | 00:14 |
| pupnik | yes! nno! stop it! | 00:15 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just wondering what would happen if somebody would reverse it | 00:15 |
| javispedro | GAN900: legacy is reason used when the source plain sucks ;P | 00:15 |
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| GAN900 | well, yeah | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | But it's still a reason | 00:16 |
| javispedro | *after watching mbx kmod source code* definitely yes :) | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what do you want to RE? it's all disclosed already, except cellmo | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | and power managment | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 00:17 |
| javispedro | you're asking the right people :) | 00:17 |
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| jacekowski | so where is a code for bme_RX-51? | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: power management is TI BQ24150, BQ27200, and TWL4030 | 00:18 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: isn't cellmod also pretty much disclosed (ofono worked iirc) | 00:18 |
| javispedro | *cellmo | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: well the lowlevel access to the modem probably isn't though I never had a close look at it | 00:19 |
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| javispedro | it does seem to talk below the at layer at least | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just know it's a I2C interface and we don't know the registers inside the modem chipset | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yep exactly | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I2C direct register access | 00:21 |
| * javispedro has a quick look at ofono.. | 00:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer | not much use in RE that | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | without decent datasheets for the register adresses and functions | 00:22 |
| javispedro | isimodem is the backend the n900 ofono uses | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil1 | camera would be nice to RE | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil1 | and replace | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes, another one | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil1 | (the sw, not the hw) | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Camera sucks in a fair few ways. | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though there probably cam manuf IP algo comes to stop Nokia from ever disclosing it | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Won't save to vfat - will sometimes not take pictures if it can't get a GPS fix - GPS position inaccurate | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil1 | does not integrate well with flashlight | 00:23 |
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| javispedro | won't save to vfat? :P | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah you're talking bout the UI | 00:24 |
| javispedro | s/ext3 ? | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil1 | won't save to not vfat | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil1 | rather | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I thought that'S been fixed | 00:24 |
| javispedro | me too | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil1 | In 1.1.1? | 00:24 |
| javispedro | iirc it had to do with case sensitiveness AND permissions | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil1 | K, never tried it. | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | erhhm yes | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yep | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | But yes - lowlevel too would be interesting from a number of perspsectives | 00:25 |
| corecode | SpeedEvil: where did you find the omap3430 datasheet? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ebay | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Or google. | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | a root daemon creating a dir, and user process trying to write to it | 00:25 |
| javispedro | you found the datasheet??? | 00:25 |
| javispedro | or the trm? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 00:25 |
| corecode | ebay? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure - ... | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | corecode: there are half a dozen | 00:26 |
| javispedro | the trm/technical manual is public, the datasheet isn't. I didn't find the 3430 one. | 00:26 |
| corecode | ah | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf | 00:26 |
| corecode | i'm just interested in what the smartreflex voltage points mean | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | for example | 00:26 |
| javispedro | that's 3530 trm | 00:26 |
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| javispedro | er no.. sorry | 00:27 |
| javispedro | s/trm/datasheet | 00:27 |
| javispedro | 3530 trm, 3530 datasheet: public. | 00:27 |
| javispedro | 3430 trm: public, SWPU223A_FinalEPDF_03_17_2010.pdf | 00:28 |
| javispedro | 3430 datasheet: ???' | 00:28 |
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| corecode | yea, what's up with that? | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | probably requires nda | 00:28 |
| corecode | hm. | 00:28 |
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| LiraNuna | has anyone ever used NEON intrinsics? | 00:32 |
| LiraNuna | I'm looking for the NEON intrinsic equivalent of SSE's _mm_set_ps() | 00:33 |
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| javispedro | isn't that a plain load? | 00:34 |
| javispedro | on arm it would be implemented as a neon ldm at least. | 00:35 |
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| LiraNuna | thing is, _mm_set_ps() allows me to set all 4 lanes in one line | 00:37 |
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| LiraNuna | a load would make me create an aligned const variable then use the appropriate load intrinsic | 00:37 |
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| lardman | it makes /me glad to see the way #maemo has reverted to a nice channel for technical questions :) | 00:40 |
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| spliffy | it must be a temporary glitch :P | 00:41 |
| LiraNuna | lardman, am I asking at the wrong place? | 00:41 |
| lardman | no not at all | 00:41 |
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| LiraNuna | I'm really excited to work on NEON | 00:41 |
| lardman | and I'm sorry that I don't know anything about NEON asm | 00:41 |
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| LiraNuna | this is the only docs I have - http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/ARM-NEON-Intrinsics.html | 00:41 |
| javispedro | the issue is not about asm, but intrinsics | 00:41 |
| javispedro | and all I know is that they suck, but since you have a more recent compiler, dunno. | 00:42 |
| LiraNuna | I think what I want is vld1q_f32 but it takes a pointer | 00:42 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, I use my own compiler since GCC 4.2.1 ICEs when optimizing NEON (-O2) | 00:42 |
| javispedro | yeah, I still remember that discussion | 00:42 |
| javispedro | note that the net result is that 4.2 was never assumed to support intrinsics :P | 00:43 |
| lardman | how much do they abstract the underlying asm? | 00:43 |
| LiraNuna | the headers are there | 00:43 |
| LiraNuna | lardman, not much, that's a good thing I think | 00:44 |
| LiraNuna | the intrinsics almost map 1:1 to instructions | 00:44 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: since you exactly know what you want, why you don't scrub the headers for functions accepting 4 floats? | 00:44 |
| lardman | indeed, but then why not just write in pure asm and skip the intrinsics? | 00:44 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, because it doesn't exist :( | 00:44 |
| javispedro | then it doesn't exist | 00:44 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: you said it yourself. they mostly map 1:1 to neon opcodes, and there can't be a "4 float loading opcode" for obvious reasons | 00:45 |
| javispedro | so in fact you want here an intrinsic doing "something more" which is to put stuff into .rodata with proper alignment and issue an ldm instruction | 00:45 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, thing is, in SSE _mm_set_ps doesn't have an opcode, and the compiler simply uses movaps from a const memory location | 00:45 |
| javispedro | see my point then :) | 00:46 |
| LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/private/jwxdfug13sy1gptsupfdua | 00:46 |
| LiraNuna | ugly ugly code | 00:47 |
| javispedro | macroize | 00:47 |
| * LiraNuna wants C++0x | 00:47 | |
| LiraNuna | vld1q_f32({1, 2, 3, 4}); | 00:47 |
| LiraNuna | :( | 00:47 |
| javispedro | er.. | 00:48 |
| javispedro | float32x4_t vec = { 1, 2, 3, 4 } seems to work | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | o_O | 00:48 |
| LiraNuna | well what do you know | 00:49 |
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| LiraNuna | now for shuffles | 00:50 |
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| javispedro | uh, for that gcc 4.2 generates two slow vmovs | 00:51 |
| LiraNuna | yeah since you can't optimize it without an ICE | 00:51 |
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| LiraNuna | javispedro, looks good here | 00:56 |
| LiraNuna | loads a pointer to const data and | 00:56 |
| LiraNuna | vldr | 00:57 |
| javispedro | fine | 00:58 |
| LiraNuna | you sound unpleased | 00:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is actually highly pleased, like lardman | 00:59 | |
| javispedro | naa, just bored :) | 00:59 |
| LiraNuna | you're just jealous 'cause I can use GCC 4.4.3 :3 | 01:00 |
| LiraNuna | ;P | 01:00 |
| javispedro | float32x4_t vec = { 1, 2, 3, 4 };vec2 = vmulq_f32(vec, vec); | 01:00 |
| javispedro | this one works with 4.2 | 01:00 |
| LiraNuna | can you -O2 | 01:00 |
| javispedro | but is to be expected since the failing part is not invoked at all | 01:00 |
| javispedro | yes | 01:00 |
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| LiraNuna | oh, it doesn't even use it though | 01:00 |
| javispedro | it then does as you said, creates an .ltorg and a vld | 01:00 |
| LiraNuna | try printing it | 01:00 |
| danielsilva | can I find the n900 default theme somewhere and use it for standard gtk apps on a desktop? | 01:01 |
| javispedro | two vldr actually | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I take it something inside OMAP knows how to handle 4dimensional vectors? | 01:01 |
| danielsilva | or even hildon apps on a desktop | 01:01 |
| javispedro | it knows how to manipulate space time | 01:01 |
| LiraNuna | DocScrutinizer, it's called NEON, and it's a part of the Cortex-A8 | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's a SSE wannabe | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's friggin awesome | 01:01 |
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| LiraNuna | it's not really a wannabe, it seems better than SSE in theory | 01:01 |
| javispedro | (or actually SSE is a NEON wannabe) | 01:01 |
| javispedro | depends on who you ask :) | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | :D | 01:02 |
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| LiraNuna | well, SSE came before NEON, so | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | :( | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | <javispedro> two vldr actually | 01:02 |
| javispedro | at least it's easier to memorize than SSE which resembles x86 itself in evolution an design | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | I think that's because the regs are 64bit | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | there's no way to address 128bit directly, it seems | 01:02 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, SSE is not very x86ish | 01:03 |
| LiraNuna | movaps - mov aligned parallel scalar | 01:03 |
| LiraNuna | addaps - add aligned parallel scalar | 01:03 |
| LiraNuna | etc etc | 01:03 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: use vld1, it can load up to 256 bits of data with a single instruction | 01:03 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, I did | 01:03 |
| LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/private/jwxdfug13sy1gptsupfdua | 01:03 |
| dandiesel | Hey all.. have posted a thread in talk.maemo about (what I believe is) my bricked N900.. | 01:04 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, code seems massier | 01:04 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: ugh, these are intrinsics | 01:04 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, so...? | 01:04 |
| LiraNuna | I like portable code | 01:04 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: so it's a compiler fault, not neon | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | dandiesel, N900s don't brick | 01:05 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, stmia+vld1.32 vs. vldr x2 | 01:05 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: using aligned vld1 instructions you can load 128-bits of data per cycle, which is nice | 01:05 |
| dandiesel | @MohammadAG i've got a blank screen , non responsive | 01:05 |
| javispedro | LiraNuna: i mean that it's been extended and extended and extended... like x86. neon seemingly looks nicer. | 01:05 |
| LiraNuna | javispedro, ah, I see | 01:06 |
| simula | dandiesel, did you remove the battery and hold down the power button? | 01:06 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, aligned to what? | 01:06 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: aligned at 128-bit boundary (16 bytes) | 01:06 |
| LiraNuna | like SSE, I see | 01:06 |
| javispedro | btw, while googling, http://hardwarebug.org/2008/12/31/arm-neon-memory-hazards/ | 01:06 |
| dandiesel | have removed battery, here are the steps i've taken so far : http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=605325#post605325 | 01:06 |
| ssvb | javispedro: that's for mixing arm and neon | 01:07 |
| javispedro | yeah, I read it :) | 01:07 |
| dandiesel | Can't seem to get flasher to recognize the n900 when it's connected to USB in update mode | 01:08 |
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| corecode | that trm does not seem to talk about how to configure the actual values of the voltage regulation | 01:09 |
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| javispedro | yeah, that's part of the datasheet. | 01:09 |
| dandiesel | Can't seem to get flasher to recognize the n900 when it's connected to USB in update mode | 01:09 |
| corecode | javispedro: heh | 01:09 |
| javispedro | see the 3530 trm vs datasheet to get an idea | 01:09 |
| corecode | so people who tweak the voltage controller operate in the dark? | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | the "how" should be in the trm, and it's also in the kernel | 01:10 |
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| corecode | yea, but not the what | 01:10 |
| javispedro | the "why" isn't. | 01:10 |
| javispedro | or the what :) | 01:10 |
| corecode | 0x30 is 1.2 volt, says the kernel | 01:11 |
| corecode | but how much you need for what and what 0x2f would be... | 01:11 |
| dandiesel | Can anyone help..? Thought this would be the best place to check. | 01:11 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, http://pastie.org/private/vgjydrbadleozgtxhimvnq | 01:11 |
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| lardman | dandiesel: Windows? | 01:12 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I think two vldr's are actually better if data is in .text | 01:13 |
| LiraNuna | ARM is RISC, isn't it | 01:13 |
| dandiesel | windows 7 64 bit | 01:14 |
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| lardman | dandiesel: I've never got the Windows flasher to work | 01:14 |
| dandiesel | Have tried running flasher in 32bit xp compatibility mode, in administrator mode etc.. 'Suitable USB device not found'. | 01:14 |
| dandiesel | Ah interesting | 01:14 |
| lardman | dandiesel: 32bit XP, and I know what I'm doing | 01:14 |
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| lardman | dandiesel: I'd suggest booting a Linux LiveCD and using the Linux flasher, works everytime | 01:15 |
| LiraNuna | "I know what I'm doing" lines always scare me | 01:15 |
| lardman | lol | 01:15 |
| LiraNuna | especially since I say them too much myself | 01:15 |
| lardman | well, I have reasonable experience of debugging Windows drivers then | 01:15 |
| dandiesel | yeah I was looking at that option, guess I don't have a choice :) | 01:15 |
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| LiraNuna | dandiesel, Linux is free, etc etc | 01:15 |
| dandiesel | i know :) | 01:16 |
| LiraNuna | a 64bit flasher would be nice, though :( | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | it works on linux | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | the 32 bit flasher works on a 64 bit system | 01:16 |
| lardman | my thought was that the device isn't seen in its flashing state for long enough for the driver to be installed, eventually it gets bored and starts to boot and appears as mass storage | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | i'm not going to mention other things that would be nice as wel | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | l | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | (and a 64 bit OS) | 01:16 |
| LiraNuna | MohammadAG, yes... I know that | 01:16 |
| LiraNuna | but a native one is always better(TM) | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | well | 01:16 |
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| MohammadAG | changing the control file should be possible | 01:17 |
| dandiesel | yes lardman , Nokia USB Parent flasher drivers won't install as it seems the 'device is unplugged' before it manages to install | 01:17 |
| lardman | dandiesel: you might be able to manually force the installation of the driver without the device attached, but as I dual boot I couldn't be bothered and just use Linux | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | dandiesel, hold u before inserting the cable | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia should've gone the iPhone way of update mode (not flaming/trolling w/e) | 01:18 |
| dandiesel | i was wondering about that lardman , not sure how to go about it. thanks mohammad have been doing that all day unfortunately it's not recognising the device (earlier my printers and devices DID show n900 connected in update mode however) | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone doesn't exit DFU mode, even when unplugged | 01:18 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:18 |
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| MohammadAG | dandiesel, | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | you can get DSL | 01:18 |
| lardman | dandiesel: I'm not overly sure how I'd do it for Windows either - need to identify the ID of the "flashing ready device", then see which driver needs to be installed, etc., etc | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | (Damn Small Linux) | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | and install flasher | 01:19 |
| lardman | dandiesel: yep, I'd go with that tbh, boot off a flash drive or CD | 01:19 |
| dandiesel | looks like it's my last resort i think. it's a pain not being able to actually see whats on screen on the device | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | DSL is 30MBs | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu is 700MBs | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | so pick the one you want :) | 01:19 |
| lardman | though if someone does have the time to work out how to sort the Windows drivers that would be good - I wonder what the Nokians think....? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, "they can use a 32 bit OS, screw them" | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:20 |
| LiraNuna | LOL | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | someone should work out how to do n900 -> n900 flashing too :D | 01:20 |
| javispedro | corecode: 0x30 is 1.2 volt says who? | 01:20 |
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| corecode | kernel comment | 01:20 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: doesn't work on 32bit WinXP either | 01:21 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, agreed, I'm surprised there aren't videos from NokiaConversations | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | (on youtube) | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, works for me on 32 bit XP PC | 01:21 |
| lardman | lcuk: I guess it's still possible to flash directly on the device | 01:21 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: ah, not for me though | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | not sure why | 01:21 |
| lcuk | lardman, that would be an idea | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | a hard one to implement :P | 01:22 |
| lcuk | tho some flash images would wipe out the data they are flashing | 01:22 |
| lardman | no, the n8x0 could do that | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 01:22 |
| lcuk | unless such a process ONLY activated with stuff on the actual removable mmc | 01:22 |
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| MohammadAG | they can sacrifice (weird choice of words) 300MBs from the eMMC | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | and put a recovery partition | 01:22 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: vldr's are slower, but they are more flexible and support more addressing modes, so the compiler prefers them | 01:22 |
| lcuk | yes MohammadAG but that recovery partition could need redoing | 01:22 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, 'slower' how? isn't it RISC? | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, like? | 01:23 |
| lardman | recovery partitions are overrated | 01:23 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: vldr's only have 64-bit per cycle throughput | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the image would have to be updated, they can add that function in flasher | 01:23 |
| lcuk | i quite like the idea of having multiple variation OSes on external mmcs | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | they can also add the Wifi drivers and cellular drivers, as well as wget | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: enable usb-hostmode, plug in target device, start flasher. Should be simple ;-) | 01:24 |
| lcuk | can flip through them like tiny amiga floppy disks :D | 01:24 |
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| MohammadAG | to fetch the image | 01:24 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ok - try it | 01:24 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I see it, but I also see GCC setting up the stack to use vld1.32 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | well flasher is on the N900 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | so if host mode is possible | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | one N900 can flash the other | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'll do in a few days :-D | 01:25 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, compromisewhich doesnt need it | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | (what if the two are bricked :P) | 01:25 |
| javispedro | corecode: that value has no meaning to nobody other than smartreflex | 01:25 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, they may be slower in batch loading, however I try to load one | 01:25 |
| lcuk | :) great DocScrutinizer | 01:25 |
| tealbird | Anyone in SF south bay looking to carpool for ELC? | 01:25 |
| LiraNuna | ELC? | 01:25 |
| * GeneralAntilles is going to forgo any quotes on the overclocking story. . . . | 01:25 | |
| tealbird | embedded linux conference | 01:25 |
| LiraNuna | I'd love to, but I have to work :| | 01:26 |
| tealbird | Too bad | 01:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks GeneralAntilles for using the O-word :-P | 01:26 | |
| LiraNuna | damn weekday confrences | 01:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | tealbird, now or in the future? | 01:26 |
| LiraNuna | it's tomorrow | 01:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles knows Myrtti may have been looking for transportation. | 01:27 | |
| tealbird | I'm taking time off, didn't even try to get work time cuz I know they wouldn't pay | 01:27 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: single load may be fine, but really optimized neon code needs to schedule load/store and alu instructions so that dual issue is used, also all the latencies need to be taken into accound with loops unrolled and pipelined | 01:27 |
| ssvb | *account | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and SmartReflex(R) is IP of TI | 01:27 |
| LiraNuna | NEON is more complex than SSE, isn't it | 01:27 |
| ssvb | no, it's easier | 01:27 |
| ssvb | because it is more consistent and orthogonal | 01:27 |
| LiraNuna | maybe it's just my unfamiliarity with it | 01:28 |
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| javispedro | and also because since there's one chip to target only you can do optimize for stuff like what ssvb mentioned :) | 01:28 |
| javispedro | * argh, redundant word syndrome syndrome. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: also to my understanding SmartReflex(R) also comprises of a few kernel patches to manage the hw | 01:28 |
| * lardman heads for bed | 01:28 | |
| lardman | night all | 01:28 |
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| LiraNuna | g'night lardman | 01:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I am looking at it. | 01:28 |
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| _bella_ | • oie • | 01:29 |
| javispedro | also discovered that Nokia disabled the kernel parameter for o/c that had been in the kernel since the very first days and nobody noticed but I mentioned... | 01:29 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: it's easy to convert code from SSE to NEON, but not the other way around | 01:29 |
| LiraNuna | go-go-gadget Ctrl+H ! | 01:30 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, is there shuffling in NEON? | 01:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer/javispedro/SpeedEvil/anybody else, want to take a look at the (incomplete) draft? http://pastebin.com/Fk691bUz | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: damn, was halfway under the shower | 01:32 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, vtbl | 01:32 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: where do you plan to put that? in a giant bill board somewhere? :) | 01:32 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: and vzip/vuzp which are faster | 01:32 |
| LiraNuna | vtbl seems to be 8bit lanes only | 01:32 |
| LiraNuna | zipping only goes in pairs | 01:33 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: don't know about intrisincs, but real vtbl is very powerful | 01:33 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: it has 8-bit granularity, and MMX/SSE can handle only 16-bit data | 01:33 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, yeah, I can see you can shuffle butes | 01:34 |
| LiraNuna | bytes* | 01:34 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil: I calculated a complete freq*voltage^2 table | 01:34 |
| t-tan | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=606065&postcount=2384 | 01:34 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: you can shuffle anything if you can shuffle bytes | 01:34 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, un/zip only goes for pairs, right | 01:35 |
| LiraNuna | ? | 01:35 |
| LiraNuna | ugh my keyboard is dying | 01:35 |
| t-tan | javispedro: which kernel parameter? | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: added edit | 01:35 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: zvip/vuzp can interleave/deinterleave data, don't know what you mean | 01:36 |
| javispedro | t-tan: mpurate and the rest | 01:36 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: it's just the most common operation, for arbitrary shuffles vtbl is used | 01:37 |
| LiraNuna | can vtbl duplicate? | 01:37 |
| LiraNuna | i.e if I give it a mask of 0's, will it duplicate first lane to all? | 01:37 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: sure it can :) but you are better to use vdup, it is also faster | 01:37 |
| LiraNuna | (I know thre's vdup) | 01:38 |
| LiraNuna | lol | 01:38 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, when you say 'faster', do you mean setup time or clocks? | 01:38 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: both | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: add a passage more clearly pointing to the warranty loss | 01:38 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, so NEON isn't RISC? | 01:38 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: for vdup/vzip/vuzp you do not need to construct index register | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | right | 01:39 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: pure RISK does not exist anymore :) | 01:39 |
| LiraNuna | :( | 01:39 |
| ssvb | *RISC | 01:40 |
| LiraNuna | hmm | 01:41 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: do you have ARM Architecture Reference Manual? | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, somewhere here, yeah | 01:41 |
| LiraNuna | I only skimmed through it | 01:41 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: this and Cortex-A8 TRM provide all the needed information | 01:41 |
| pupnik | epoc felt snappy. all QT and Python and Java devs need to have an old psion for reference | 01:42 |
| javispedro | or a palmos handheld | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: damn, new URL -> http://pastebin.com/u8kkd0Si | 01:42 |
| javispedro | pupnik: never impressed by how launching garnetvm applications that rival in feature sets with those of maemo are still an order of magnitude faster than native maemo ones? :) | 01:43 |
| javispedro | think calendar, etc. | 01:43 |
| dandiesel | can i create a livecd using slax? | 01:44 |
| javispedro | (of course, I'd never want to code nothing serious for PalmOS again) | 01:44 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: also check this one, it's a good cortex-a8 microarchitecture overview: http://www.arm.com/miscPDFs/24588.pdf | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | dandiesel, use DSL, it's smaller | 01:44 |
| dandiesel | dont want to download ubuntu | 01:44 |
| dandiesel | thanks | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | dandiesel, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ | 01:44 |
| corecode | javispedro: yes, but still people are tweaking the values to undervolt/overvolt the mpu | 01:45 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: todays standard seems to be "well it feels faster than the web" | 01:45 |
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| javispedro | corecode: but those do nothing at all from what I see in the code unless smartreflex is enabled | 01:45 |
| javispedro | (talking about vsel here) | 01:46 |
| corecode | javispedro: yes, right | 01:48 |
| corecode | well, people seem to be using sr | 01:48 |
| javispedro | (no wonder the crashes) | 01:48 |
| corecode | why? | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | changing the vsel without the associated opp voltage | 01:49 |
| corecode | what do you mean, without changing | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | that I don't know what smartreflex uses vsel for, but if you're changing it _without_ changing the actual operating voltage, dunno what happens | 01:50 |
| javispedro | maybe smartreflex active does something around it, maybe it's just wrong and nobody knows | 01:50 |
| corecode | shouldn't sr change the voltage? | 01:50 |
| javispedro | yes, but the above applies. | 01:51 |
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| corecode | from reading the code/trm i was under the impression that sr was responsible for ramping the voltage | 01:52 |
| corecode | doesn't seem that any other part is being configured with changing voltage | 01:52 |
| corecode | on opp switch | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | corecode: [2010-04-12 00:28:43] <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: also to my understanding SmartReflex(R) also comprises of a few kernel patches to manage the hw | 01:53 |
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| corecode | on top of the nokia kernel? | 01:53 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they're public, I'm looking at them. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, the code is public, but the knowledge is IP of TI | 01:54 |
| javispedro | :) | 01:54 |
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| jacekowski | have anybody tried how low you can go with frequency? | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 125 has been reported instable | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | what sort of instable? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to play around with it and see how low it can go and how does it improve battery life | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: keep in mind the general strategy is run-to-idle where CPU is at zero Hz most of the time | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil_ | measuring while active at min cpu would be good | 02:03 |
| ShadowJK | Keep in mind that cpu is OFF in idle, so 125 only helps if phone is running something that constantly requires a small amount of cpu | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil_ | there are a few usecases for this | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: :-P | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | faster | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil_ | mp3, | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil_ | umm | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil_ | fmradio | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I wonder also how much can be pwered down with static screen | 02:04 |
| * ShadowJK blames gprs lag ;-) | 02:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: use HSCSD ;-P | 02:05 |
| t-tan | jacekowski: 125 turned out to be worse for battery life than 250 | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil_ | t-tan: measured how? | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | n900 doesn't support it | 02:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: zero hz? | 02:06 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil_: the lcd controller has a (afaik unused) slow refresh mode | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil_ | hmm | 02:06 |
| javispedro | dunno if it does anything good :P | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil_ | javispedro: I got ~8% extra battery life on one laptop going from 24-4 bit mode | 02:07 |
| javispedro | interesting, cause I would think quite a lot of time the n900 screen is on it's not doing anything at all | 02:07 |
| javispedro | (think 30 seconds countdown to poweroff, just reading text, ...) | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil_ | javispedro: screen is often quite readable with no backlight. | 02:08 |
| javispedro | direct sunlight :) | 02:08 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil_: while idling. device went much more often to max.freq than with 250 | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil_ | but at low backlight settings, backlight uses a small fractiom | 02:08 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | t-tan: that may be a matter of fixing stuff. | 02:09 |
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| t-tan | SpeedEvil_: yes, write a smarter governor | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil_ | maybe even just tweaking tweakables in the governor | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | not writing anything | 02:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer mentions on OM FreeRunner a *dark* LCD display uses some 30mA power, probably for the 16 datalines pulled low most of the pixels transferred from SoC to LCD | 02:10 | |
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| SpeedEvil_ | DocScrutinizer: I see very little difference if any between black and white screen | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil_ | on noop | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil_ | n900 | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm seems the N900 LCD has 3 LVD lines, which are neutral to actual data transferred | 02:11 |
| t-tan | people have played with the params..to no avail | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | 3, not 4 ? | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil_ | oh | 02:12 |
| * javispedro ponders if the core voltage is changed in omap linux when smartreflex driver is removed | 02:12 | |
| SpeedEvil_ | what's the n900 screen depth | 02:12 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: interesting question. unknown. | 02:13 |
| t-tan | SpeedEvil_: color or physical? | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil_ | bits | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, unknown | 02:14 |
| javispedro | actual panel is acx565akm iirc. no datasheet. | 02:14 |
| t-tan | i guess 6bit/channel as usual for TN displays | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | though there seem idications it's 5/6/5 | 02:14 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, thanks for that link | 02:14 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 02:16 |
| jaek | does the headphone jack on the n900 work as line-in also? | 02:16 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: you are welcome, feel free to bug me if you have any neon related questions :) | 02:16 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, you'll regret saying that ;P | 02:16 |
| t-tan | the iPad might have true 24bit color as it is a IPS panel | 02:16 |
| LiraNuna | ipad more like hype-pad | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | jaek: no | 02:16 |
| jaek | cant use the tuner/recorder with an electric (silent) guitar T_T | 02:17 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: btw, direct access to L2 cache from NEON unit is broken and disabled in current OMAP3 chips, so it always goes through L1 now | 02:17 |
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| GAN900 | t-tan, viewing angle sucks. | 02:17 |
| pupnik | fm transmitter on guitar | 02:17 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, crap. | 02:18 |
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| jaek | doesnt the hw have a line in on the jack? the headphones that come with the n900 have a mic | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's going to happen with your OC statement? | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, thanks! | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro/DocScrutinizer, mwkn.net | 02:19 |
| javispedro | ah. | 02:19 |
| javispedro | there's already a overclocking item | 02:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | From last week? | 02:20 |
| javispedro | the one where he talks about the "engineer extraordinaire" | 02:20 |
| javispedro | yep | 02:20 |
| LiraNuna | what's with all the overclocking talk today | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, that there is. | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | We were shooting for /. dupedom | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Too bad. | 02:20 |
| javispedro | I guess that means instant success! | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, I guess I'll just bind that to an autoreply if anybody mentions overclocking in here. ;) | 02:21 |
| javispedro | hm... | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | no, it's not me being an idiot: I don't have my cloak! | 02:22 |
| javispedro | ;P | 02:22 |
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| jaek | i presume it must be possible to hack a cable to act like a headset? | 02:23 |
| javispedro | wouldn't you break something if you connect a speaker out into a mic in? | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | jaek: yes, you can do that | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | jaek: IIRC the input ADC is very low quality though | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | jaek: more voice than hifi, and mono only | 02:24 |
| jaek | man that sucks, it would have been nice to use the n900 as an effects box | 02:24 |
| jaek | guitar -> n900 -> a2dp out | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | jaek: there are bluetooth audio in devices | 02:26 |
| jaek | then you cant stream the output to another a2dp device | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I vote or that | 02:27 |
| jaek | due to bandwidth restrictions | 02:27 |
| jaek | on a2dp | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil_ | why not? | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil_ | ah | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil_ | also latency may be bad. | 02:28 |
| jaek | you cant even use a bluetooth mouse + a2dp at the same time let alone two a2dp streams | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: [2010-04-11 18:21:59] * DocScrutinizer sets up autokickban on regex '.* safe .* OC .*' and '.* OC .* safe .*' | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil_ | you could use it as a drumkit. | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil_ | with the accel picking up the sticks. | 02:28 |
| jaek | there is no usb host mode, right? | 02:29 |
| jaek | if there was i could just plugin a usb audio device | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Is it safe to watch the OC at work? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil_ | not yet. | 02:29 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, what is vbsl? (intrinsics call it "Bit Selection") | 02:29 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | usb host is a maybe | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil_ | nobody has gotten it working. | 02:30 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, seriously? lol | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | OC | 02:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: 0v3rcl0ck1n6 15 54f3 4nd rul35 y0u l00z3r5 1'm 3v1l h4ck3r | 02:30 |
| jaek | if the n900 did have a host mode the device would instantly become 100x more useful (for hackers) | 02:30 |
| * MohammadAG sighs with relief | 02:30 | |
| jaek | didnt all of the prior devices have host mode? | 02:30 |
| Gh0sty | in some description online i read it should be possible | 02:30 |
| Gh0sty | but you need a special cable | 02:30 |
| Gh0sty | perhaps the firmware does not support it yet? | 02:31 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: it can be used for making code branchless | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaek: we're working on that | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | jaek, yes they did, but they didn't use the USB port for charging | 02:31 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, is it like cmpps in SSE? | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | symbian phones are arm based as well? | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | and no, you don't even need a special cable probably | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | oh rly :p | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | thats nice :) | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | but there are a lot of features missing in the phone :( | 02:32 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: well, there are comparison instructions which write either all zeros or all ones to the destination register depending on the result, these can be used as bit masks for selection | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil_ | yup. | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | more profiles, switch profiles based on schedules and cell locations | 02:32 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Gh0sty: for some, it's fine as is. | 02:33 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, so I can AND for selection? | 02:33 |
| Gh0sty | SpeedEvil_: well if i compare | 02:33 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: branches based on NEON values are *very* expensive, this is a bad thing in cortex-a8 | 02:33 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, in SSE, comparison returns a mask in form of 0000 and FFFF | 02:33 |
| Gh0sty | this device cost me 550 eur and does not have some features my e65 has | 02:33 |
| Gh0sty | which cost around 150 at the time | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Gh0sty: for example, I've recieved one call, made 20 texts over the time I've had it. | 02:34 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, you can, but bit selection is a bit more flexible | 02:34 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, care to give me an example? (can be impractical) | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | i made one call and zero texts | 02:34 |
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| wolf^ | yes, and it doesn't have functionality of a 0.50$ pen | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | but then again only have it like 3 days :p | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil_ | Gh0sty: 4 months? | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | lol ok | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | then you did not need a phone | 02:35 |
| Gh0sty | but a internet tablet :p | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | wolf^: ;-D ++ | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | well - I did need an emergencies phone too. | 02:35 |
| SpeedEvil_ | but, yes. | 02:35 |
| Gh0sty | where can we put feature requests? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil_ | brainstorm | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil_ | brainstorm.maemo.org ? | 02:36 |
| Gh0sty | k | 02:36 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: well, for example for implementing getting the maximum value for each element between two vectors (even though this operation has its own instruction), that would be one comparioson and selection | 02:38 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, how is it different than vceq and friends? | 02:39 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: vceq is a comparison instruction which constructs mask | 02:40 |
| ShadowJK | heh, playing mp3 and xchat, cpu never drops below 500MHz... hooray gtk and mafw/gstreamer | 02:40 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, how is the mask generated for vbsl? | 02:40 |
| LiraNuna | or used | 02:40 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: with all the same vceq instruction for example | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: odd | 02:41 |
| SplasPood | Hrm, if I have a widget that fails to show up when selected from the add widget menu, where would I go to debug that (logs..?) | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | btw. why are they modyfing kernels to overclock it | 02:43 |
| jacekowski | as it is possible to talk to hardware directly | 02:43 |
| jacekowski | or even modify kernel on the fly | 02:43 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: don't let the bits confuse you, it is perfectly fine also for 8, 16, 32 bit data | 02:43 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, it's not confusing, it's something SSE does not have | 02:44 |
| LiraNuna | I just seek to understand it | 02:44 |
| LiraNuna | I'm trying to port my SSE math library to NEON | 02:44 |
| pupnik | hmm | 02:45 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: I guess it was just simple to implement this instruction to operate on bit level, and it is a bit more flexible than inventing something that would be operating per element | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | SplasPood: check other desktops - also - it can appear under stuff | 02:46 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: even if nobody would actually use real selection at bit granularity | 02:46 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, it's like AND then? | 02:46 |
| LiraNuna | bit selection usually means AND :P | 02:46 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, except in some cases it replaces AND/OR pair | 02:47 |
| ssvb | so it may save some instructions | 02:47 |
| LiraNuna | ah, I see | 02:47 |
| LiraNuna | I think I understand what it does | 02:47 |
| LiraNuna | thank you | 02:47 |
| SplasPood | SpeedEvil: I'll take another look... beyond that tho.. any way to see a log of stuff starting, etc? | 02:47 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I love the multiply-add/sub instructions | 02:48 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: and NEON has a "shift with insert" instruction, it can also help to eliminate some AND/OR stuff | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | SplasPood: unsure | 02:48 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: vector long multiplication are quite nice | 02:49 |
| LiraNuna | NEON looks very fun | 02:49 |
| LiraNuna | too bad it's annoyingly undocumented :( | 02:49 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: it's well documented in ARM ARM | 02:49 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I want portable code, and I'm already familiar with the way GCC spews intrinsics | 02:50 |
| LiraNuna | so I prefer no inline asm | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: why does xchat + mp3 use lots more than either? | 02:50 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: intrinsics are just confusing, I never got into getting familiar with them just because the compiler usually generates awful code :) | 02:50 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, in 4.2.1 they ARE awful | 02:51 |
| ssvb | 4.5.0 is not much better | 02:51 |
| LiraNuna | 4.4.3 is what I'm using | 02:51 |
| LiraNuna | but yeah, at least it doesn't ICEs | 02:51 |
| LiraNuna | s/s// | 02:51 |
| infobot | LiraNuna meant: but yeah, at leat it doesn't ICEs | 02:51 |
| LiraNuna | :| | 02:52 |
| LiraNuna | ICE* | 02:52 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, intrinsics -> SSE code in GCC works VERY well | 02:53 |
| LiraNuna | I believe GCC's core for them is the same, since it recognizes both as vs4f | 02:54 |
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| LiraNuna | for now I'm only playing with float32x4_t (.f32 opcodes) | 02:54 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: x86 is usually out-of-order, so it's compensating compiler stupidity a lot :) | 02:54 |
| LiraNuna | hahahaha | 02:54 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, http://www.liranuna.com/sse-intrinsics-optimizations-in-popular-compilers/ | 02:55 |
| LiraNuna | it's quite good | 02:55 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, I wrote a 'vec4' class that will do a lot of optimized operations for the programmer even if the programmer does awful mistakes | 02:57 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I would like to have that class for NEON as well | 02:58 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, that's why I am confident in GCC's code generation abilities :) | 02:58 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: don't forget to report "missing-optimization" bugs to gcc if you notice something strange :) | 02:59 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, I did! | 02:59 |
| LiraNuna | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43147 | 02:59 |
| povbot | Bug 43147: was not found. | 02:59 |
| LiraNuna | haha, it tries to look for a maemo bug I take it? | 03:00 |
| ssvb | yeah, stupid bot | 03:00 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, see that last part of GIMPLE? | 03:00 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, GCC treats it as V4SF | 03:00 |
| LiraNuna | it treats NEON (float32x4_t) the same way | 03:01 |
| LiraNuna | so I am inclined to believe that it'll generate the same optimizations available for SSE | 03:01 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, thanks for reporting this, I believe it helps to make gcc better in the long run | 03:02 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, I would LOVE to see this implemented | 03:03 |
| LiraNuna | currently I use a template to merge masks | 03:03 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: I also reported this bug: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43364 | 03:03 |
| povbot | Bug 43364: was not found. | 03:03 |
| LiraNuna | I can do vec.xxyy.wwww.zwxy and they will all be merged into one shufps | 03:03 |
| LiraNuna | oh wow | 03:04 |
| LiraNuna | well, you could use vld1 directly | 03:05 |
| LiraNuna | there's an intrinsic for that | 03:05 |
| LiraNuna | good thing it uses vst1.32 though | 03:07 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: it's just an example, I would like to load that value either from memory, or just put a single floating point value into a vector from a register | 03:08 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, yeah I understand | 03:08 |
| LiraNuna | hmm | 03:10 |
| LiraNuna | http://bla/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| povbot | Bug 1: test - ignore it | 03:11 |
| LiraNuna | http://bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| povbot | Bug 1: test - ignore it | 03:11 |
| LiraNuna | http://show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| LiraNuna | aww | 03:11 |
| javispedro | python url parser would choke on that one | 03:11 |
| LiraNuna | http:///show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | buzilla show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | bugzilla show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 03:11 |
| LiraNuna | why don't you actually show the title of the page? it should work | 03:11 |
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| LiraNuna | http://google.com/ | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that stupid lol | 03:12 |
| LiraNuna | heh | 03:12 |
| LiraNuna | http://google.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1 | 03:12 |
| povbot | Bug 1: test - ignore it | 03:12 |
| LiraNuna | yes it is | 03:12 |
| LiraNuna | ^_^ | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, sorry misread C3 as 500 | 03:13 |
| * SpeedEvil shuns ShadowJK with a coconut. | 03:14 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | bug 1 | 03:20 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://google.com/bug #1 | 03:21 |
| javispedro | /kickall | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://google.com/bug 1 | 03:22 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, can you try to bug X-Fade about it in the morning? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | about it is, about the autobuilder? | 03:22 |
| javispedro | or about pr1.2? | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | cloaks | 03:23 |
| javispedro | ah | 03:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The least important thing of the bunch. | 03:23 |
| javispedro | yes, I forgot for a moment | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I'll keep mine | 03:23 |
| * javispedro castigates himself for forgetting about the most important thing, cloaks | 03:24 | |
| javispedro | :) | 03:24 |
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| javispedro | hey, I still had op? damn. | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | <javispedro> /kickall | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | We're going to get DocScrutinizer the "Maemo/community/angryoldman" cloak. | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, you even got the command wrong :P | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | how about maemo/community/overclocker cloak :P | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | +the * | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | great match for a kickban | 03:26 |
| javispedro | no, might act as a easy target | 03:26 |
| javispedro | lol | 03:26 |
| MohammadAG | window was minimized lol | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, bug #9407 | 03:37 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 Browser: Do not show fullscreen button when scrolling with the keyboard | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oops | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, bug #9896 | 03:37 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9896 Update IRC cloaks for new council | 03:37 |
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| * javispedro dutifully votes | 03:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell x-server were we using in Diablo? | 03:38 |
| javispedro | xomap, based on kdrive | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, thanks. | 03:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles shakes his head and hears rusty bolts rattle around. | 03:39 | |
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| javispedro | lol | 03:48 |
| javispedro | people can really for adwords keywords like "citrix doesn't work" and "citrix doesn't print" | 03:48 |
| javispedro | *pay for | 03:48 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Need more editors. . . . | 03:54 |
| ebzzry__ | Hi! Is there a way for Pidgin to hook into Maemo's notification system, e.g. blinking led on new message | 03:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Telepathy Extras works better in general. | 03:55 |
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| ebzzry__ | For many reasons, I want to use Pidgin. The built-in messaging system, is unreliable at best. | 03:57 |
| MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9897 | 03:58 |
| povbot | Bug 9897: Proximity sensor not disabled when using headset in a call | 03:59 |
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| MohammadAG | <GeneralAntilles> Need more editors. . . . | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | editors as in text editors? or bloggers? | 04:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | mwkn.net editors | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | oh ok | 04:02 |
| dandiesel | i've got a blank screen on my n900 (after flashing) and I'm guessing it's the little ribbon connecting the screen , am i invalidating my warranty if I open the device yes? | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Are you sure it's not just busy doing something weird? | 04:03 |
| dandiesel | also..if the ribbon is loose.. will this affect the performance of the TV-out? | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Have you popped the battery? | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shouldn't | 04:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | TV-out is on a different lead. | 04:03 |
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| dandiesel | no it's been blank for 24 hours now I've tried everything.. thread is here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49736 | 04:03 |
| dandiesel | TV-out doesn't work either though, black and white lines intermittently and just a black screen | 04:04 |
| javispedro | ha | 04:04 |
| javispedro | calling DocScrutinizer to the scene | 04:04 |
| javispedro | is this something like what happened to yours? | 04:04 |
| * GeneralAntilles bangs head on desk at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=7 | 04:04 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | dandiesel, sounds like an excellent case for a warranty fix. ;) | 04:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | dandiesel, I'll let the engineers in the room chime in, though. | 04:05 |
| dandiesel | yeah it's certainly looking that way, generalAntilles | 04:05 |
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| dandiesel | Thanks for the help all, i'll send it off for repair , nite! | 04:06 |
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| javispedro | oh, another forum to monitor? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: (TV-out) well, here I get a black LCD and weird patterns on AV same time | 04:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, sadly, yes. | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: heh exactly | 04:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | One with broken as hell username capitalization just like maemo.org, too. | 04:08 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: so not such an uncommon thing | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my last suspect - main FPC | 04:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny though he said he got black+white stripes, well maybe NTSC vs PAL issue | 04:10 |
| lcuk | javispedro, blood red? | 04:11 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: something spooky :) | 04:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer finally considers disassembling the LCD half as well | 04:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so seems like I'm in peace with my world once again. Not me who caused it, basically. | 04:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer polishes his Senior-EE batch | 04:13 | |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, and warranty? :P | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | warranty been void when I did these pics, no? | 04:14 |
| javispedro | I guess they could detect he opened it. | 04:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, what's your plan to fix it, then? | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I'll first go check the maintenance manual on details about replacment of main-FPC | 04:15 |
| javispedro | "beyond economical repair"? | 04:16 |
| javispedro | ;) | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I'll either give it to paid repair, or I get proper sparepart and do the fix myself | 04:16 |
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| * javispedro ponders if forums.meego.com will ever convert into a hacker-place or will skip that stage and instead go straight to user forum | 04:18 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, nix 'beyond economical' - actually replacing main-FPC should be rather affordable and a quite frequent cause of failure | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err break of FPC the cause, not replacement ;-P | 04:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer imagines all sorts of "my creditcard slipped in between" sorts of misshaps | 04:20 | |
| * javispedro nearly pissed | 04:20 | |
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| javispedro | lol | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | has any forum ever been a hacker-place? | 04:21 |
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| javispedro | well... exaggerating a bit. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, to a certain extent, yes. | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | my bet is it'll go straigt all the way to tmo-madness | 04:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | internettablettalk.com was very enthusiast and hacker-oriented in the early days. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The N900 really brought the overall level of sanity down, though. ;) | 04:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hnn a pity I missed those good ol' times | 04:25 |
| * MohammadAG feels the same | 04:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | was just too happy with my diablo :-P | 04:25 |
| MohammadAG | didn't know Maemo was linux :) | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahaha | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I figure you can have success which brings users, and a lot of noise, but also money and productive things | 04:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | or you can have your little hacker club but eventually fade away into oblivion. | 04:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles probably would prefer the later. | 04:26 | |
| javispedro | or you can have both | 04:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/later/latter | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: /join #openmoko-cdevel ;-P | 04:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles watches as Nokia drifts farther and farther away from a devices which are actually interesting and useful. | 04:26 | |
| MohammadAG | I'm actually interested if the N950 (if that's what it's getting called) can run Maemo 5 | 04:27 |
| javispedro | ha, as much as I were into running Diablo on the N900? | 04:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Capacitive = fail | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, well that's technically impossible (at least without major changes) since Diablo was for OMAP2 and the N900 has OMAP3 | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, +1 on that | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | if they kill the keyboard I'm not upgrading | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know one thing for sure - I am *not* interested in N950 | 04:28 |
| MohammadAG | or downgrading in that case | 04:28 |
| lcuk | capacitive = different | 04:28 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: if you go on that level, everything will need changes... | 04:28 |
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| javispedro | as it is, you cannot do a "universal" kernel build. | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, build a kernel from scratch then | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 04:29 |
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| javispedro | then you could as well put diablo | 04:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'll get diablo running, you build the kernel | 04:30 |
| MohammadAG | deal? :P | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it's fail for me. | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I can't stand it in the slightest. | 04:30 |
| javispedro | it's not like most of it requires an exact kernel version (even though I know of a certain component at least that does) | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Whether it works for other people or not is irrelevant to me when I am given no other choices. | 04:30 |
| javispedro | "other choices" is a good question | 04:30 |
| * GeneralAntilles would love to have a perfect world of To Each His Own here, but Nokia's dead set on preventing that. | 04:31 | |
| MohammadAG | would be cool if Nokia sold the "N950" as N950c and N950r | 04:31 |
| lcuk | isnt that the meego route - since we have a perfectly capable device in the n900 | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Thanks for helping us get this platform where it is today, now kindly take your money and screw off!" | 04:31 |
| MohammadAG | resistive and capacitive options | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, indeed. | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's not like it'd be particularly difficult | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yep, with and without hw-kbd | 04:32 |
| javispedro | in fact we have a few "perfect capable devices", all of the nits | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and it would mean to abandoning a large portion of their market. | 04:32 |
| lcuk | build your own hardware set :) | 04:32 |
| javispedro | but who wants them now? :) | 04:32 |
| lcuk | walk into a store and choose components off the shelf | 04:32 |
| javispedro | mwahaha | 04:32 |
| ml-mobile | is there something in particular preventing a .33 kernel for the N900 | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and with a 23600mAh battery for the nerds | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | as an option | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was thinking that too, but both with a hw keyboard would be better than no keyboard | 04:32 |
| javispedro | 23600 mAh battery. | 04:32 |
| MohammadAG | Virtual keyboards just don't work | 04:32 |
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| javispedro | I want one of those. | 04:32 |
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| * MohammadAG wants a nuclear battery | 04:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 2libs, size of 7 N900 | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | no terrorism intended :P | 04:33 |
| * javispedro envisions the Nokia Internet Car-Sized Tablet" | 04:33 | |
| lcuk | i want a flexible oled skin over the top of hw keyboard | 04:33 |
| MohammadAG | I want an i7 Maemo device | 04:33 |
| lcuk | proper haptics and reconfigurable | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, virtual keyboards work fine. | 04:33 |
| ml-mobile | lcuk++ | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I was hitting 40-60 wpm on my 770 and N800. | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, not for everything | 04:34 |
| javispedro | I want the fountain of eternal youth. The holy grail will also suffice. | 04:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's just a matter of having a good implementation and a fair amount of practice. | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, not sure about the N800, but the N900's is broken | 04:34 |
| lcuk | and i need a holiday too | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, and make it for under $500, please. | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | try to use it in terminal... | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, yes, it is. | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want a flexible OLED screen of 33', rolled up inside the pensized phone | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, it's a huge regression, in fact. | 04:34 |
| MohammadAG | well I never had an N800 | 04:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, but Nokia doesn't test anything that isn't directly applicable to the latest product. | 04:34 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: actually, that's a good point. Price is the current dealbreaker for higher platform expansion. | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | for some reason I thought Maemo was some proprierty OS | 04:35 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you were amazing with your n800 kb | 04:35 |
| * MohammadAG corrects typos | 04:35 | |
| lcuk | for irc i think you were the fastest | 04:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, Nokia needs to stop pussy-footing around with Linux platforms. | 04:35 |
| lcuk | khertan did similar for coding | 04:35 |
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| * lcuk could never use vkb | 04:35 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Anssi's Nokia World keynote last year is indicative of the sickness which may bring the company down in the long run. | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | I can reach 30 words per second on the N900 keyboard | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | but it's just broken | 04:35 |
| MohammadAG | so I turned it off | 04:35 |
| lcuk | javispedro, how did your gsoc application go so far | 04:36 |
| * javispedro goes watch it | 04:36 | |
| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you're applying as a student? | 04:36 |
| lcuk | no GeneralAntilles - he applied for the janiters assistant role | 04:37 |
| lcuk | (yes he did | 04:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'd figure he'd be better off as a mentor. ;) | 04:37 |
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| javispedro | hm.. the application is gone. *calmly things it must be some weirdo temporary issue before yelling in panic* | 04:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | VDVsx says, "javispedro? I hate that guy!" | 04:38 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 04:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: i applied as a student since this my last year as one :P (and still never applied...) | 04:39 |
| javispedro | before. | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG | kov, I'm off, a bit late for me (4:39), so.. ttyl :) | 04:40 |
| lcuk | mee to | 04:40 |
| lcuk | \o nn maemo | 04:40 |
| * javispedro looks at the time. god | 04:40 | |
| MohammadAG | Night :) | 04:40 |
| javispedro | gnite | 04:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Wee, only 11 more stories to go! | 04:41 |
| * javispedro has had its own share of doubts about gsoc, i even mailed the program manager... | 04:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | best time of the night, o.O | 04:41 |
| javispedro | you'll not get rid of me so easily! | 04:41 |
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| javispedro | where's that op role when you need it | 04:41 |
| javispedro | ok ok I'll leave you to your endeavors, good night. | 04:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nite | 04:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | erm | 04:44 |
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| Ebzzry | Hi! Is there a pdf viewer in the repos that supports portait mode viewing? | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try evince | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't check right now, but I guess it knows portrait mode aka rotate-left/right | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | the UI-widgets won't rotate though | 04:52 |
| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Ok | 04:52 |
| Ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Evince is in -devel right? | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure, but one of those | 04:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 4 more. . . . | 05:02 |
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| b-man17 | GeneralAntilles: hm? | 05:03 |
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| GeneralAntilles | http://mwkn.net | 05:04 |
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| b-man17 | ah | 05:04 |
| ds3 | wonder if anyone has looked into adding waypoints to GPSjinni | 05:05 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, do you see anything wrong with this code? http://pastie.org/private/uhlbksu4igy79cqzrqjmja | 05:13 |
| LiraNuna | optimization wise, not logic | 05:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Ebzzry: evince does | 05:14 |
| Ebzzry | ptl_demands_PR12: thanks | 05:14 |
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| b-man17 | does the kexec-tools package in extras-testing actually work?? | 05:18 |
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| dmj726_n900 | is anyone using pidgin to for irc on the n900? | 05:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eeeek pidgin | 05:24 |
| dmj726_n900 | I'd like to verify some bugs I experience. | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat ftw | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reminds me to unvoice all users with full-username 'purple' | 05:25 |
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| Ebzzry | How do I activate evince's portrait mode, aside of course from using the rotate operations? | 05:34 |
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| LiraNuna | does the N900 use OpenMAX? | 05:39 |
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| ShadowJK | LiraNuna, I think so.. /lib/dsp/ ? | 05:42 |
| LiraNuna | ah awesome | 05:42 |
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| dmj726_n900 | so nobody uses pidgin for irc on maemo? | 05:43 |
| LiraNuna | eew no, I just ssh to my server and attach my irssi screen | 05:44 |
| LiraNuna | <3 | 05:44 |
| danielsilva | dmj726_n900: i'm using pidgin right now | 05:44 |
| danielsilva | dmj726_n900: oh wait... but on my laptop :p | 05:44 |
| Ebzzry | dmj726_n900: maybe if it notifies like telepathy, as I mentioned earlier, I'd use it. | 05:45 |
| dmj726_n900 | it seems to work quite well, one bug aside. | 05:45 |
| Ebzzry | irssi is a very good irc client, but having scrolling up is a pain. | 05:45 |
| Ebzzry | s/having// | 05:46 |
| infobot | Ebzzry meant: irssi is a very good irc client, but scrolling up is a pain. | 05:46 |
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| dmj726_n900 | pidgin seems to occassionally open random links in microb when scrolling. | 05:46 |
| ShadowJK | heh, amusingly I prefer irssi over xchat for scroling up on n900 | 05:46 |
| Ebzzry | I myself use xchat on maemo. | 05:46 |
| LiraNuna | xchat on maemo isn't my cup of tea | 05:47 |
| LiraNuna | I use xchat on my desktop though | 05:47 |
| Ebzzry | ShadowJK: how do you scroll? | 05:47 |
| LiraNuna | it's just not hildonized enough for me | 05:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | only seems to happen in certain cases though and i wanted to see if anyone could replicate it. | 05:47 |
| ShadowJK | I press pageup? | 05:47 |
| dmj726_n900 | pidgin has nice kinetic scrolling. | 05:47 |
| Ebzzry | LiraNuna: using say irssi, how would you easily switch server contexts? | 05:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I use irssi on my server with irssi-proxy now | 05:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | and then I connect to it with whatever I feel appropriate, I am on kvirc right now :) | 05:48 |
| ShadowJK | in xchat I have to use scrollbar | 05:48 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I've setup my N900 xchat to automatically connect to it | 05:48 |
| LiraNuna | Ebzzry, /win 1, Ctrl+X | 05:48 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | other times I go through the terminal | 05:48 |
| LiraNuna | <ptl_demands_PR12> I use irssi on my server with irssi-proxy now | 05:48 |
| LiraNuna | <3 | 05:48 |
| Ebzzry | LiraNuna: that's a lot of keypresses, compared to a tap with xchat. | 05:49 |
| LiraNuna | I know | 05:49 |
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| LiraNuna | I prefer xchat to irssi, however xchat maemo is horrible | 05:49 |
| ShadowJK | esc 1 instead of /win 1 works | 05:49 |
| Ebzzry | LiraNuna: in what ways is it horrible? | 05:49 |
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| LiraNuna | too many to list | 05:50 |
| * ShadowJK uses desktop .conf | 05:51 | |
| ShadowJK | instead of the default maemo .conf | 05:52 |
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| Ebzzry | hmm | 05:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | still, have any of you attempted to use pidgin for irc on the n900? | 05:52 |
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| Ebzzry | dmj726_n900: what are you trying to get at? | 05:54 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I'm trying to see if anyone can reproduce the bug I mentioned. | 05:55 |
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| dmj726_n900 | connect to a high volume irc channel like #maemo | 05:58 |
| dmj726_n900 | leave it open for a while | 05:59 |
| dmj726_n900 | then try scrolling through it some. See if microb opens any links you didn't touch. | 05:59 |
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| Ebzzry | dmj726_n900: hmm | 06:00 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | http://www.somelink.com if anyone is trying to test this bug :) | 06:09 |
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| dmj726_n900 | thanks. | 06:10 |
| LiraNuna | meh, another ICE | 06:10 |
| LiraNuna | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/post_bug.cgi | 06:10 |
| LiraNuna | er | 06:10 |
| LiraNuna | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43722 | 06:10 |
| povbot | Bug 43722: was not found. | 06:10 |
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| dmj726_n900 | while we're waiting for the bug to manifest, anyone looked at the theorarm project goggle seems to be funding? | 06:14 |
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| dmj726_n900 | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/google-boosts-open-video-by-funding-arm-theora-codec.ars | 06:17 |
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| Ken-Young | "su gainroot" just stopped sorking on my N900, after having worked for months. Now it give the error message "su: must be suid to work properly". Does anyone know what has gone wrong, and how to fix it? | 06:49 |
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| Ken-Young | s/sorking/working/ | 06:50 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: "su gainroot" just stopped working on my N900, after having worked for months. Now it give the error message "su: must be suid to work properly". Does anyone know what has gone wrong, and how to fix it? | 06:50 |
| microlith | type "root" instead | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | use sudo gainroot | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or just root | 06:51 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Oh, you're right. I forgot. Thanks! | 06:51 |
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| Ken-Young | microlith, That works too. Thanks! | 06:52 |
| Ken-Young | I guess it's a good sign that I haven't had to become root in a while. | 06:54 |
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| korhojoa | hmm. first day with xlv kernel. let's see hwo this goes | 07:06 |
| korhojoa | s/hwo/$1 | 07:06 |
| korhojoa | aw. damn. | 07:07 |
| korhojoa | s/damn./failure./ | 07:07 |
| infobot | korhojoa meant: aw. failure. | 07:07 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" -> "veor.32 q9, q9, q9" | 07:33 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: "vmvn q9, q8" + "vand q8, q8, q9" -> "vbic" | 07:34 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: or even "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" + "vceq.f32 q8, q8, q9" -> "vceq.f32 q8, q8, #0" | 07:36 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, oh yeah! bit clear! | 08:09 |
| LiraNuna | this is 1:1 SSE port so there's no bit clear | 08:09 |
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| LiraNuna | <ssvb> LiraNuna: "mov r3, #0" + "vdup.32 q9, r3" -> "veor.32 q9, q9, q9" | 08:10 |
| LiraNuna | isn't that a nop | 08:10 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: "eor" == "xor" from x86 | 08:11 |
| LiraNuna | ooooh | 08:11 |
| LiraNuna | ooooh | 08:11 |
| LiraNuna | duh | 08:11 |
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| LiraNuna | but wait, I didn't asign zero | 08:12 |
| LiraNuna | weird it's not using it itself | 08:12 |
| ssvb | also zero can be used as immediate operand for comparison, there is no need to put it into a register | 08:13 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, oh nice | 08:15 |
| LiraNuna | not what the intrinsics show... | 08:15 |
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| shinkamui | is that video of N900s meego legit? | 08:20 |
| shinkamui | if so, thats a little exciting, though pretty boring that it does absolutely nothing right now but a console shell | 08:20 |
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| LiraNuna | shinkamui, it's legit since meego was released | 08:21 |
| shinkamui | LiraNuna, have you seen the video? | 08:22 |
| LiraNuna | this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8 | 08:22 |
| shinkamui | yup | 08:23 |
| shinkamui | thats the one | 08:23 |
| LiraNuna | looks legit | 08:23 |
| LiraNuna | meego was released on 31st | 08:23 |
| LiraNuna | (march) | 08:24 |
| shinkamui | at least from the video | 08:24 |
| shinkamui | it would appear that X isn't working | 08:24 |
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| shinkamui | or part of the distribution yet | 08:24 |
| shinkamui | or that guy just didn't know what he was doing, I dont know for sure | 08:24 |
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| dmj726_n900 | meego is command line only right now. | 08:25 |
| LiraNuna | ^ | 08:25 |
| shinkamui | hih i dmj726_n900 | 08:25 |
| shinkamui | ok, its real late, off to bed | 08:25 |
| dmj726_n900 | hi shinkamui | 08:25 |
| shinkamui | laters guys | 08:25 |
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| crashanddie | GOD I'M SO FECKIN BORED | 08:26 |
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| crashanddie | I know what I can do! | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | Kick people for fun! | 08:27 |
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| crashanddie | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 08:27 |
| LiraNuna | oh... kay | 08:28 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, GCC doesn't use eor for vdup 0, wtf? | 08:33 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, it does for SSE <_< | 08:33 |
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| Jaffa | Morning all | 08:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | indeed | 08:44 |
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| rock | um new here just passin through | 08:47 |
| RST38h | moorning indeed | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | morning Jaffa | 08:49 |
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| ptl | PR1.2 yet? | 09:00 |
| ptl | just soft-trolling, nevermind | 09:00 |
| ech0Asus | yay for 33gb downloads... | 09:02 |
| dmj726_n900 | windows 8 image? | 09:02 |
| ech0Asus | rainbow table | 09:03 |
| swc|666 | heh, i'm rsyncing a mysql db 2x that size right now :) | 09:04 |
| ech0Asus | need a dictionary figured might as well just go with hex.. | 09:04 |
| crashanddie | swc|666: that must run like a dog | 09:05 |
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| ech0Asus | is there a website you could upload a handshake packet to and have it run aircrack on it? | 09:06 |
| crashanddie | wep or wpa? | 09:06 |
| ech0Asus | wpa | 09:06 |
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| crashanddie | not anymore | 09:07 |
| crashanddie | there were a couple | 09:07 |
| crashanddie | but they were brought down due to abuse | 09:07 |
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| crashanddie | well, abuse being the new way of saying "Crap, we can't handle the load" | 09:07 |
| ech0Asus | lol sucks | 09:07 |
| swc|666 | crashanddie, it runs well | 09:07 |
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| ech0Asus | now we just have to carry around 33gb of rainbow tables? lol | 09:07 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: Though it'd be interesting to see if it would be possible to harvest the power of GAE and other cloud services for something like that | 09:08 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: that's what bittorrent is for | 09:08 |
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| ech0Asus | going to have to edit my partitions to fit this on my netbook lol | 09:09 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: check if this one is still online (can't access it from work) http://ph33rbot.com/kracker/ | 09:09 |
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| ech0Asus | hey thats cool they do it for 10 bucks | 09:11 |
| crashanddie | ah, so he implemented the payment plan | 09:11 |
| crashanddie | did he modify it to only charge upon success? | 09:11 |
| crashanddie | he had only something like 33% success rate | 09:11 |
| ech0Asus | thats not bad i mean that or wait till u can access 33gb of rainbow tables... | 09:11 |
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| ech0Asus | thx for that link bookmarked :) | 09:13 |
| crashanddie | ech0Asus: there's also this one: http://www.wpacracker.com (again, no idea if still online) | 09:13 |
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| swc|666 | i know the dude that runs http://ph33rbot.com/kracker/ | 09:14 |
| swc|666 | its still up and better than moxie marlinspike's cloud cracker | 09:15 |
| swc|666 | and cheaper :) | 09:15 |
| ech0Asus | rofl wonder how my netbook is going to act with this 33gb file being opened with aircrack | 09:16 |
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| swc|666 | prolly not too well | 09:18 |
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| ech0Asus | yeah didn't think so | 09:18 |
| ech0Asus | any suggestions for a portable dictionary? | 09:18 |
| swc|666 | that method is sloooow anyways | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would I start a mediaplayer video via cmdline? | 09:19 |
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| ech0Asus | i have the handshake packet and have used the tools a lot on wep but i just need a dictionary lol | 09:19 |
| netw | what's the paket encrypt | 09:20 |
| netw | wep wpa wpa2 | 09:20 |
| ech0Asus | erm one i just did was wpa | 09:20 |
| netw | shit | 09:20 |
| netw | http://armorry.freevar.com/ | 09:20 |
| netw | chek the first picture | 09:21 |
| netw | for wep | 09:21 |
| netw | it's easy | 09:21 |
| netw | for wpa y need rainbow tables | 09:21 |
| ech0Asus | yeah 33gb is downloading lol | 09:21 |
| netw | 2 x 33 | 09:22 |
| ech0Asus | 2? | 09:22 |
| netw | plus bonus 1 or 5-6 gig | 09:22 |
| ech0Asus | i got the renderlab one downloading | 09:22 |
| netw | 1 of 5or6 | 09:22 |
| netw | i thing it's not worthy | 09:23 |
| netw | use something like SET against the target | 09:23 |
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| ptl | DocScrutinizer: there has been a maemo mailing list discussion about it, but I have not read it. I'll look into it, hold on. | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: thanks | 09:25 |
| ptl | dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer /com/nokia/mediaplayer com.nokia.mediaplayer.mime_open string:file:///home/user/MyDocs/.videos/9.mp4 | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 09:26 |
| ptl | this is it | 09:26 |
| ptl | btw, lemme verify if it's in the Phone control page | 09:27 |
| ptl | it is... | 09:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is idiot | 09:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | thought I'll test the AV while doing a tar backup of all /home | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably mediaplayer isn't quite happy with the already 100% cpu, before even any mpeg decoding takes place | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | now syslog eats another 20% share of cpu :-S | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ 5068.331756] omapdss DISPC error: GFX_FIFO_UNDERFLOW | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might call it a bug in design | 09:32 |
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| ptl | :O | 09:34 |
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| crashanddie | Yay, I got a +5 funny on /.! | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/68505/ MUHAHAAA | 09:36 |
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| crashanddie | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1614294&cid=31813210 | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | CPU: 49.7% usr 40.9% sys 0.0% nice 0.0% idle 0.0% io 9.3% irq 0.0% softirq | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Load average: 3.41 3.27 3.02 | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | no 'kill' in top | 09:43 |
| swc|666 | yeah | 09:43 |
| swc|666 | that other top prg has it | 09:44 |
| swc|666 | prog* | 09:44 |
| swc|666 | htop or something | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 09:44 |
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| ptl | htop | 09:44 |
| ptl | htop is much better than top but also uses lots more CPU | 09:45 |
| ptl | I prefer atop, that has lots of other interesting statistics and a few good options. | 09:45 |
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| ptl | hey FlavioFerreiraBR, woke up early? | 09:45 |
| ptl | not even 4 o'clock here in Brazil | 09:46 |
| ptl | 4 in the morning | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway a killall mediaplayer did it | 09:46 |
| ptl | I don't like killall because of solaris. :P | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 09:46 |
| ptl | I prefer pkill, process kill. It's the same use, you kill a process by name., | 09:46 |
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| ptl | and it's there, in busybox. | 09:47 |
| ech0Asus | erm apt-get install * | 09:47 |
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| ptl | apt-get install * will just try to apt-get install the names of the files in the current directory. Won't work, usually. | 09:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I start to doubt the brilliance of the idea tor tar /home | 09:48 |
| ptl | apt-get install '*' wouldn't work if there is any package with 'conflicts:' in the repositories you use. | 09:48 |
| ech0Asus | apt-get install k* | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install '*' | 09:49 |
| ech0Asus | rofl im watchin asian dudes play table tenis they are so into it | 09:49 |
| ptl | ech0Asus: try and use single or double quotes, because if there is any file beginning with k on the current directories, your command would expand to it. | 09:49 |
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| ptl | ech0Asus: to understand what I mean, try echo * | 09:50 |
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| ptl | well... these are process identifiers. weird | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 745, 757, 781 video1 | 09:55 |
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| ptl | but are you using htop? | 09:57 |
| ptl | try using ps | 09:57 |
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| ptl | ok, from using htop I also see three entries for video device | 09:57 |
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| ptl | but... that's weird. Now I try ps -ef, I see 2 processes only. Then I try ps -eLf to see threads too, and I still see two processes. I can't get the same result as htop. | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably threads. htop is weird | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd curse FUCKIN BUSYBOX | 10:02 |
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| ptl | tried to get by pid | 10:02 |
| ptl | that's really weird | 10:03 |
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| ptl | only the first process appears, the others don't | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox ps is weird | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/weird/braindead crap | 10:03 |
| ptl | oh | 10:03 |
| ptl | pstree shows it | 10:04 |
| ptl | try it, pstree -Acp | 10:04 |
| ptl | you can grep omap3 if you wish | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pstree: not found | 10:04 |
| ptl | but I wonder why ps -eLf does not shows these threads | 10:04 |
| ptl | [root@n900 /root]% dpkg -S `which pstree` | 10:05 |
| ptl | psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree | 10:05 |
| ptl | 10:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke busybox | 10:05 |
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| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at busybox ... B☢☢M! | 10:05 | |
| ptl | apt-get install psmisc | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps --help | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary | 10:05 |
| ptl | oh. | 10:07 |
| ptl | that explains it. | 10:07 |
| ptl | lol | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSYBOX | 10:08 |
| ptl | the psmisc package has a manpage in it | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool, alas we got no mandb | 10:08 |
| ptl | yep | 10:09 |
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| ptl | nevertheless | 10:09 |
| ptl | it's only listed in the package | 10:09 |
| ptl | it was not installed. Doh | 10:09 |
| ptl | maybe it couldn't create the /usr/share/man/man1 directory | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""OHNOEEES 15MB just for *manpages*?!!?!!!!?! BUT ... we got only 32GB!"" | 10:10 |
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| Addison2 | Hey all. :) | 10:11 |
| ptl | where can I find the "real" ps? | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | coreutils? | 10:11 |
| Addison2 | Anyone here willing to help me out? It might take a few minutes of your time. I corrupted my memory card trying to partition it. | 10:11 |
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| ptl | let me try | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | beware!! coreutils are said to kill boot | 10:12 |
| ptl | After this operation, 336MB disk space will be freed. | 10:12 |
| ptl | lol | 10:12 |
| ptl | it would install everything | 10:12 |
| ptl | rofl | 10:13 |
| ptl | *uninstall everything | 10:13 |
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| ptl | practically all base packages would be uninstalled | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? coreutils?? | 10:13 |
| ptl | yes | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Addison2: reformat it? | 10:14 |
| Addison2 | Yes Doc, I reformatted it completely on my Windows XP. I think I really goobered it somehow. | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Addison2: the internal eMMC or the uSD | 10:14 |
| hrw | morning | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh on wixp | 10:14 |
| Addison2 | It's a SanDisk 4 gig card. | 10:14 |
| ptl | external mmc | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I get it youre talking bout uSd | 10:15 |
| ptl | reformat it with vfat filesystem type | 10:15 |
| ech0Asus | addison get the boot disk for gparted and use that to format your sandisk | 10:15 |
| ptl | it should work | 10:15 |
| ech0Asus | just be sure not to format ur xp install... lol | 10:15 |
| Addison2 | I have gparted CD. I restarted my computer and gparted booted just fine. I didn't have a clue how to use it though. | 10:15 |
| ech0Asus | erm.. switch it to the sd disk by clicking in top right then use it to format that disk.. its pretty easy has a lot of stuff to click... | 10:16 |
| Addison2 | If I grabbed my wife's laptop and logged back in here. Could you walk me through the steps or find a web page for me to read? I can't seem to find one. | 10:17 |
| Addison2 | Oh, and gparted crashed on me because I didn't know how to even start it. :( | 10:17 |
| Addison2 | I'm a tool by the way. :) | 10:17 |
| ech0Asus | um.. | 10:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests (on N900 root): ~> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblk1p1 bs=1M count=10 | 10:18 | |
| Addison2 | I'm more of a simple point and click kind of guy. This might be a tough one for me. | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | then remove and reinsert the uSD. N900 should ask you if you want to format it | 10:19 |
| ech0Asus | gparted is clickable.. i'd start clickin' that way.. | 10:19 |
| Addison2 | Well, gparted had some kind of screen asking how to boot it and I poopered all over the menus and got lost. | 10:20 |
| ech0Asus | that or any other partitioning tool should work great | 10:20 |
| Addison2 | Crap, I hate coming online and looking dumb. :) | 10:20 |
| MiXu- | Is Chrome for N900 being actively developed by someone(tm)? | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Addison2: forget wixp | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Addison2: use N900 clean linux | 10:20 |
| Addison2 | I have a N800 by the way. | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 10:21 |
| Addison2 | I'm still living in abject poverty. :) | 10:21 |
| ech0Asus | i had one of those | 10:21 |
| ech0Asus | format it through your file manager | 10:21 |
| ech0Asus | hold down and it will pop up a menu | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | Addison2: heh | 10:21 |
| ech0Asus | then u can select format | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Addison2: anyway, should work as well | 10:21 |
| Addison2 | Yeah, it asked if it wanted me for the tablet to try and fix it. That's okay then? | 10:21 |
| ech0Asus | n800 was cool, could hold 2 sd cards... | 10:22 |
| ech0Asus | yes let it fix it | 10:22 |
| Addison2 | Okay. Thanks. Trying it out right now. | 10:22 |
| ech0Asus | it can fix it a lot better then the xp machine can | 10:22 |
| ech0Asus | np man | 10:22 |
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| Addison2 | So it's saying "Memory card is incorrectly formatted or corrupted." So go ahead and repair? | 10:23 |
| ech0Asus | yeah | 10:23 |
| ech0Asus | your data is lost at this point on it but u can format it and use it again for other things... | 10:24 |
| Addison2 | "Unable to repair memory card. Format card via File manager." Joy! :D | 10:24 |
| Addison2 | I never had anything on the card to begin with. | 10:24 |
| ech0Asus | has the card ever worked? | 10:25 |
| Addison2 | I was trying to do crap to it so I could use Easy Debian. | 10:25 |
| ech0Asus | yeah easy debian is great | 10:25 |
| ech0Asus | installed it on my 900 day or so ago | 10:25 |
| Addison2 | I wouldn't know. :) | 10:25 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 10:25 |
| ech0Asus | mornin' | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | moin | 10:25 |
| ech0Asus | anyways, try and format it via ur file manager | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | your | 10:26 |
| ech0Asus | sorry i'm tired | 10:26 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: repositories are broken | 10:28 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: what did you do :) | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: you're broken | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: i've sent something yesterday to free, and nothing happened | 10:28 |
| Addison2 | Okay. From File Manager I went to Tools -> Format memory card. Clicked "Okay". It said something like "Formating memory card" with a bar that never filled up. And yeah, it didn't work. :( | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | so 6h later i've sent something to non-free | 10:28 |
| jacekowski | and nothing happened as well | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: build log? | 10:29 |
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| jacekowski | there is even bug reported | 10:29 |
| jacekowski | bug 9889 | 10:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9889 Autobuilder does not upload packaged to extras-devel | 10:29 |
| ech0Asus | ok find someone with a sd card and swap urs with theirs.. | 10:29 |
| ech0Asus | rofl i'm goin to bed... | 10:30 |
| X-Fade | Looking into it. | 10:30 |
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| Addison2 | Okay Echo. Sounds like a great idea! Thanks! | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | it looks like there was nothing added into repo since 9th of april | 10:30 |
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| X-Fade | Ugh, I found the issue. It is processing again now. | 10:33 |
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| jacekowski | it's still building against 1.2? | 10:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this seems will not change anytime (until 1.3 ;-P ) | 10:36 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: packages already sent are lost? | 10:41 |
| dottedmag | ptl: have a look at docpurge package. that's why manpages aren't installed | 10:42 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: of course not. | 10:42 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: It just hang while processing the queue. But that blockage is gone now and it is processing the backlog. | 10:44 |
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| jacekowski | btw. i was quite amazed by 20 minutes build time | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | Dual Quadcore Xeon helps. | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | does it have ccache? | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | No | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | i7? | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | core? | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | 5420 | 10:47 |
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| jacekowski | mhm i have 5520 here and it's not even close to 20 minutes | 10:48 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: parallel build? | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | and i don't think vmware is causing that much overhead | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | well -j 2 instead of 4 | 10:49 |
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| jacekowski | ( it's vm with 2 vcpus ) | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | vmware is very bad on latency it seems. | 10:49 |
| X-Fade | We had vmware at our previous isp and we had nothing but trouble. | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooohnoes now it rebooted in the middle of the giant tarjob | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | ok, disaster | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ that has to go | 10:51 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: I can do that. | 10:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: close bug 9889 | 10:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9889 Autobuilder does not upload packaged to extras-devel | 10:53 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: done | 10:54 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: And why exactly is it a disaster? | 10:55 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: 2 times the same version in 2 separate repos. | 10:55 |
| RST38h | Ah! | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/chromium/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/non-free/c/chromium/ | 10:55 |
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| jacekowski | is it possible to just send package to be built and don't import it into repository ( debug build and etc. )? | 10:58 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: No, that has been mentioned before though. | 10:59 |
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| ptl | I've just setup a ad-hoc network for the N900 from my laptop | 11:15 |
| ptl | justin case | 11:15 |
| ptl | *just in case | 11:15 |
| ptl | :) | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | i think o2 underestimated demand for joggler | 11:18 |
| jacekowski | i've made an order on wednesday for next day delivery | 11:18 |
| jacekowski | and it's still not shipped | 11:18 |
| ptl | why is this device so hot? | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | price | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | and what it can do | 11:19 |
| Appiah | drop it like its hot! | 11:19 |
| frals | its pretty hackable isnt it? | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | yes | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | http://shop.o2.co.uk/joggler | 11:20 |
| Appiah | ptl: 3G , then ad-hoc wifi? | 11:20 |
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| ptl | Appiah: 3G, then my regular wifi (linksys router), then ad-hoc wifi | 11:21 |
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| Appiah | so you're connected to 3G and Wifi at the same time? | 11:22 |
| ptl | no, no | 11:22 |
| * wired was watching some xvid series on a TV set the other day, streamed over wifi from his laptop, using the vid-out cable, on a 800mhz oc'd n900 (thank god for oc, mplayer would drop too many frames otherwise :)) | 11:22 | |
| ptl | the N900 tries 3G first | 11:22 |
| ptl | I'm going to install it anytime, wired | 11:23 |
| wired | while at the same time i tethered my 3d connection through the same (adhoc) wifi connection to my laptop | 11:23 |
| ptl | I'm just waiting for PR1.2 | 11:23 |
| wired | you have to love this device :) | 11:23 |
| ptl | you bet | 11:23 |
| wired | s/3d/3g/ | 11:23 |
| ptl | because the stock kernel does not | 11:24 |
| ptl | btw, any of these overclocked kernels has support for full NAT? | 11:24 |
| wired | yes the titan one works brilliantly | 11:24 |
| ptl | hmmm, cool. | 11:24 |
| wired | and you can oc on demand | 11:24 |
| ptl | :D | 11:24 |
| wired | so i keep it at 600 and oc to 800 when i need it :) | 11:24 |
| Appiah | I been watching some series on the n900 | 11:24 |
| Appiah | and had smooth playback | 11:24 |
| wired | that depends on the codec and bitrate :) | 11:25 |
| Appiah | ofcourse | 11:25 |
| Appiah | but I have yet try to watch something in high quailty that the n900 could not handle | 11:26 |
| Appiah | So what codec and bitrate cant the n900 handle without oc wired ? | 11:26 |
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| wired | Appiah: well those vids weren't anything too high, let me see if i can check it out from here | 11:30 |
| raster | maarp | 11:31 |
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| wired | VIDEO: [XVID] 512x384 12bpp 23.976 fps 910.0 kbps (111.1 kbyte/s) | 11:32 |
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| wired | this one, using mplayer | 11:32 |
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| nidO | im gonna say thats mplayer, I have no trouble with those kinds of quality with the standard media player | 11:35 |
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| wired | its possible | 11:38 |
| Appiah | hmm | 11:38 |
| wired | i'll have to test it. keep in mind i was using the tv-out, not sure if that brings some sort of penalty | 11:38 |
| wired | to performance | 11:39 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | ShadowJK: I note bq* datasheet says 20mr | 11:51 |
| ShadowJK | it's just an example | 11:52 |
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| ShadowJK | but I did switch to 20 a week or two ago | 11:52 |
| SpeedEvil_ | k | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil_ | I need to measure. | 11:53 |
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| SpeedEvil_ | too much boring shit to do. | 11:53 |
| SpeedEvil_ | And soldering iron died. | 11:53 |
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| jacekowski | some wanker is trying to dos my server | 12:35 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: http redirect 127.0.0.1? | 12:36 |
| jacekowski | just ignoring him | 12:36 |
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| jacekowski | he's not very good at it and cband is enough | 12:37 |
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| talmai | hello | 12:40 |
| talmai | has anyone tried PhoneGap on maemo? | 12:40 |
| talmai | http://blog.mfabrik.com/phonegap-on-maemo/ | 12:40 |
| talmai | works well in scratchbox x68 | 12:40 |
| talmai | but on the phone i get a segfault | 12:40 |
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| jacekowski | it would be helpful if you could provide core dump/stack trace/anything | 12:42 |
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| jacekowski | btw. what was name of that app that could create core dump without killing application? | 12:42 |
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| Anss| | jacekowski, gdb? | 12:45 |
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| hrw | heh.. n900 made one ugly thing to maemo.org | 12:50 |
| hrw | t.m.o is not worth reading anymore | 12:50 |
| hrw | too much crap there | 12:50 |
| hrw | konttori: hi | 12:50 |
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| talmai | jacekowski: when running in gdb, i get this: | 12:54 |
| talmai | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 12:54 |
| talmai | 0x4085aa1c in QMetaObject::indexOfSignal(char const*) const () from /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4 | 12:54 |
| talmai | 0x4085aa1c <_ZNK11QMetaObject13indexOfSignalEPKc+32>:ldrr0, [r1, #16] | 12:54 |
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| Scelt | konttori hops in and out, in and out | 13:07 |
| Scelt | avoiding our questions | 13:07 |
| lcuk2 | Scelt, konttori hops in and out because hes not in work at the moment | 13:08 |
| Scelt | why | 13:08 |
| lcuk2 | baby month | 13:08 |
| Scelt | nice | 13:09 |
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| * kirma wonders if it's possible in any sensible way to maintain an informative, advanced-hacking discussion board for product sold in scale of millions without all that crap or overreaching moderation | 13:26 | |
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| Wolfie | kirma: i guess Here Comes Everybody would tell you that | 13:27 |
| Wolfie | the Clay Shirky's book | 13:28 |
| kirma | I guess I've heard it being mentioned earlier too | 13:29 |
| Wolfie | i should order it, actually... | 13:29 |
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| Wolfie | the xUnit book i'm reading is killing me | 13:29 |
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| corecode | kirma: increase entry difficulty | 13:38 |
| corecode | kirma: if you can filter 99% of the people, it is more likely that the remaining 1% are dedicated to the use of the platform. of course, you can have dedicated trolls, but they are usually easier to ignore than the generic white noise | 13:40 |
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| rom1dep | jacekowski: if the chromium package works, I check my dinner to be sure there is no hallucinating mushroom in it :) | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: it's working | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | i hope so | 13:44 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: sorry for the tragedy | 13:45 |
| jacekowski | i don't care | 13:45 |
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| jacekowski | they shouldn't have tried to land on too short runway in bad conditions | 13:45 |
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| Scelt | sure. and they all shouldn't have been in the same airplane. but still it's awful | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: you located around warsaw btw? | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 13:46 |
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| jacekowski | i'm around colchester | 13:47 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there is more maemo people in warsaw | 13:47 | |
| jacekowski | doubt that there will be a lot of maemo people in poland | 13:47 |
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| jacekowski | ( n900 in poland costs about average monthly salary ) | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | + contract | 13:48 |
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| haltdef | I chucked most of my first paycheck at my n900 :P | 13:48 |
| haltdef | worth it | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: there are some bugs in it but it's working as such | 13:49 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: damn, it starts... and works ! great job :) | 13:49 |
| * Arkenoi bought my second n900 via "unofficial import", it saved me almost 30% | 13:49 | |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: maemo2 version? | 13:49 |
| frals | Stskeeps: theres 2 (3 with yours) pins the in the "maemo" map in warszawa at least | 13:49 |
| haltdef | :o | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | frals: :nod: | 13:49 |
| haltdef | unofficial import? | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: from extras? | 13:49 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: yepp, from extras, on n900 1.1 | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | i'm surprised that it's working after so many stories of builder building broken packages | 13:50 |
| Arkenoi | haltdef: middle east version, they are much cheaper there | 13:50 |
| haltdef | ah | 13:50 |
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| haltdef | shipping didn't cancel it out? | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | haltdef: why? | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | haltdef: they want to sell | 13:50 |
| Arkenoi | nope, here are guys who sell it via local internet stores | 13:50 |
| rom1dep | I'm doing some sunspider bench :) | 13:50 |
| haltdef | nice | 13:51 |
| Arkenoi | so i ordered it and got it the same day | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | haltdef: as long as you pay for it | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: same day? | 13:51 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 13:51 |
| Anss| | yep, it is not cheap. if i would bought one, my girlfriend would like one too. that makes two, which would be expensive. :-| | 13:51 |
| Arkenoi | 4 hours actually | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | shiping with that speed made it costs twice as much probably | 13:51 |
| haltdef | I stopped trying to justify my smartphone purchases a while ago :P | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | when i order something from abroad it ussualy spends at least couple days on customs | 13:52 |
| Arkenoi | i guess they just have some in local stock ;-) | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: i've tried it and it just got stuck at some point | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: v8 benchmark worked fine | 13:53 |
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| jacekowski | rom1dep: and microb got about 18 points in it | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: chrome about 100 | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: opera on my laptop about 3000 | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | but chrome can go little bit higher | 13:53 |
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| jacekowski | because current builds have disabled couple features that could make it faster | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | and i'm again talking to myself | 13:54 |
| rom1dep | I got 35s with microB, 22 with midori http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 | 13:54 |
| rom1dep | the test is running but I fear I'll have to start it again after it finishes (if it finishes) because there was apps runing behind and I received a sms (slows the test) | 13:55 |
| jacekowski | i mean- it went trough couple of loops before it got stuck | 13:56 |
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| jacekowski | and microb failed to do complete test | 13:56 |
| rom1dep | ok, I reached the result page, 22s, starting it again... | 13:56 |
| barisione | lizardo: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings/More_examples doesn't do it in the right way | 13:56 |
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| jacekowski | but on tests that run average score was about 18 | 13:56 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: 18s ? | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm talking about v8 | 13:57 |
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| jacekowski | different benchmark | 13:57 |
| lizardo | barisione: what you mean? | 13:58 |
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| barisione | lizardo: I just commented on the thread on the forum | 13:58 |
| rom1dep | oh ok, I'm testing through sunspider for now :) | 13:58 |
| barisione | you should not use libebook directly | 13:58 |
| barisione | lizardo: but just libosso-abook | 13:58 |
| barisione | if you just use libebook things will work in most cases but not always | 13:59 |
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| jacekowski | rom1dep: have you tried to benchmark microb? | 13:59 |
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| rom1dep | jacekowski: yepp, as said before I got 35s | 14:00 |
| rom1dep | fewer is better | 14:00 |
| lizardo | barisione: yes, I'm aware of that... but for some people/situations the returned information should be enough... of course you lack all the great things from abook | 14:01 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: I tried midori too (I guess tear would give the same score) and got 22s | 14:01 |
| lizardo | barisione: but if you give me a C working example I can add ctypes equivalent code to that page too :) | 14:01 |
| rom1dep | so for now, chromium is at least as fast as the fastest browser for n900 :) | 14:02 |
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| MiXu- | is chrome for N900 being actively developed by someon? | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | rom1dep: you've tried fennec, microb, tear, firefox (on debian) ? | 14:02 |
| MiXu- | Or is it just a one-man-proof-of-concept ? | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | proof | 14:02 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: just finished 17814.2ms : chromium is the fastest :) | 14:03 |
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| rom1dep | SpeedEvil: I'm speaking about reasults gotten on the n900 (I don't have the sdk installed on a pc) because tear and midori are both running GtkWebKit I see no reason to try the two (but maybe will I try later) for fennec vs microB, my experience is microB is the fastest but I didn't run sunspider with fennec to be sure... | 14:05 |
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| rom1dep | fcrozat: :) | 14:07 |
| hrw | fennec... mozilla should work on adding speed to it first | 14:07 |
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| jacekowski | rom1dep: still, it's not even close to desktop browser | 14:08 |
| rom1dep | hrw: trace monkey is conceptually slower than other jit... let me 2s to find an interesting post about it :) | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I have had firefox working as fast as my desktop browser. | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (displaying from desktop) | 14:08 |
| hrw | rom1dep: I do not care about JS speed | 14:08 |
| hrw | rom1dep: fennec as such is slow | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | results on desktop are like 18 times better | 14:09 |
| jacekowski | at least | 14:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | hrw: Not IME. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | hrw: It tends to paint screen faster for me. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | the killer is lack of some features | 14:09 |
| rom1dep | hrw: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/mozilla-borrows-from-webkit-to-build-fast-new-js-engine.ars | 14:10 |
| jacekowski | i think o2 is having serious problem with amount of joggler orders | 14:10 |
| hrw | personally I treat microb with such care as opera mini on my e66 phone | 14:10 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: how could a small arm 600Mhz compete with some multi-core pc ? | 14:10 |
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| hrw | browser to be used only when I really need browser and do not have desktop available | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | lynx! | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | as fast on mobile as desktop | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | i have to get gcc on my phone | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | is usb networking working on windows? | 14:12 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: any browser running on the n900 could probably be optimized, of course, but copmaring scores obtained on n900 vs computers is a nonsence since hardware is not comparable... | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | i know | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | but that shows how slow it is | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | pointed at /. - iceweasel renders some page content first | 14:13 |
| ccooke | Afternoon, all | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | you should compare time to full load | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I know - for benchmarking - it's not quite so good. | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: But if you're not benchmarking, the initial load may be important | 14:14 |
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| ShadowJK | besides, any optimization can be carried over to PC side and the relative speed difference remains :) | 14:14 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: v8 in chrome is running native arm code | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: blah | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: it's compiling js to native arm code | 14:15 |
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| jacekowski | rom1dep: there are some feature that are disabled at the moment | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: and memory allocator sucks | 14:16 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: :) I just got 117 on google's-v8 benchmark, my atom netbook I'm typing with got 418 (dual core) so it's not that bad, it's even fastest now on n900 than firefox 1.5 years ago on my netbook... | 14:18 |
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| rom1dep | That's good programming, when competition btw different technologies makes software run faster (in contrary to what we see most of the time : programs getting bigger and bigger and so on, slower...) | 14:20 |
| barisione | lizardo: I added a C example in the thread | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: i really want to se futhark on maemo | 14:21 |
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| jacekowski | and even better carkan | 14:22 |
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| Termana | jacekowski: Those sound like Vikings not applications | 14:24 |
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| Termana | Are those even apps or are you talking about something else? | 14:24 |
| wired | v8 on stock n900 browser gave me 16.5 on first run, 17.7 on second | 14:24 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: anyway, that'll make fennec guys angry, at it's first -unofficial- try, chromium -unoptimized- is 3 times faster than firefox... | 14:25 |
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| jacekowski | Termana: it's kinda vikingish | 14:25 |
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| Termana | Explains a lot then... :P | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | Termana: it's name of js engine in opera | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | Termana: and opera is from norawy | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | norway* | 14:26 |
| rom1dep | wired: so it's more than 3x faster... | 14:26 |
| wired | then i oc'd to 800mhx and got 23.2 | 14:26 |
| wired | :p | 14:26 |
| rom1dep | wired: no oc, 600mhz, 117 B) | 14:27 |
| rom1dep | that's crazy | 14:27 |
| wired | with chromium? | 14:27 |
| rom1dep | wired: yepp | 14:27 |
| wired | let me try | 14:27 |
| * wired starts chromium | 14:28 | |
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| jacekowski | what i need for usb networking? | 14:28 |
| lizardo | barisione: thanks :) | 14:29 |
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| wired | holy | 14:30 |
| wired | 111 on first run | 14:30 |
| rom1dep | wired: also, close microb running behind, you can easily lose 30% if chromium isn't running alone... | 14:30 |
| wired | rom1dep: i didn't close it, 111 on first run :) | 14:30 |
| rom1dep | wired: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 | 14:30 |
| wired | keep in mind my chromium is running from within a gentoo chroot :P | 14:30 |
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| rom1dep | look at this : n900 has the fastest browsing experience :) | 14:31 |
| rom1dep | (now) | 14:31 |
| wired | 112 on second run, lets try @800 | 14:31 |
| MiXu- | jacekowski: a linux OS for PC and a modified /etc/network/interfaces iirc | 14:31 |
| wired | is there a native maemo chromium build available anywhere? | 14:32 |
| wired | 131 @ 800mhz :) | 14:32 |
| rom1dep | wired: yepp, check extras-testing, thank to jacekowski :) | 14:32 |
| wired | interesting, so i can see the difference with my chrooted one | 14:32 |
| wired | :) | 14:33 |
| MiXu- | jacekowski: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | wired: what is this benchmark? | 14:33 |
| wired | SpeedEvil: google's V8 javascript benchmark | 14:33 |
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| rom1dep | wired: you got ~ same score as me, just I'm not chrooted.. are you on pr1.2 ? | 14:33 |
| wired | rom1dep: no | 14:34 |
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| mece | so chromium is the fastest browser on N900 these days? | 14:34 |
| rom1dep | wired: so chroot seems not to break perfs at all :) | 14:34 |
| wired | well, it shouldn't anyway ;) | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | unless it means you swap more | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | which it may | 14:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | javascript performance is nice - but orthoganol to speed | 14:35 |
| rom1dep | mece: looks like, making n900 the fastest mobile tablet ever (at least on the v8 benckmark) → faster than the shiny new iPad :) | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | speed depends on how fast the user thinks it is, not how fast it is | 14:36 |
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| wired | well ipad doesn't have flash | 14:36 |
| wired | so you cant really compare them | 14:36 |
| wired | :P | 14:36 |
| Treibholz | does someone know whether meego will use a webkit-browser or stay with the old gecko? | 14:37 |
| mece | rom1dep, how is it at standard speeds then? | 14:38 |
| rom1dep | Treibholz: probably use QtWebKit through harmattan... I'm just guessing | 14:38 |
| rom1dep | mece: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/04/ipad-review.ars/17 | 14:38 |
| rom1dep | mece: and read the scores we previously got wired and me | 14:39 |
| mece | 112 was at default speeds? | 14:39 |
| mece | pretty cool. | 14:39 |
| rom1dep | mece: on v8 18% faster than iPad, 100% faster tan nexus one, 500% faster than iPhone 3Gs | 14:40 |
| wired | mm the maemo chromium uses hildon menus, nice | 14:40 |
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| wired | is there a way to scroll in-page? | 14:41 |
| rom1dep | wired: use the scrollbar ? | 14:41 |
| wired | obviously, i meant without the scrollbar | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: 7.92 - iceweasel | 14:41 |
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| wired | the scrollbar is too tiny to use and the edges on the screen are superannoying to use | 14:42 |
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| wired | yay flash works too =] | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I have installed all-in-one gestures on iceweasel | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | which works ok | 14:43 |
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| jacekowski | wired: chrome touch extension | 14:43 |
| wired | jacekowski: thanks for a job well done | 14:43 |
| wired | :) | 14:43 |
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| rom1dep | wired: it's not really a "port" of chromium, but a hack to make it compile and run on maemo, I doubt jacekowski has had time to work on gui to make it finger friendly nor if he aims to :) | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | aim is to work on gui | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | but it's not my full time day job | 14:44 |
| wired | well it does use hildon gui elements which my version does not :P | 14:44 |
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| lizardo | frals: I'm now playing with barisione 's example... indeed the search results look more "sane" now :D | 14:44 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: do you have feedback from google chromium devs ? It could be an interesting market for them since firefox guys sit on it ? | 14:45 |
| wired | i guess i should set up a scratchbox and build stuff for maemo myself :) | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | rom1dep: it makes android look bad | 14:45 |
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| barisione | lizardo, frals: and my example also gets phone numbers coming from skype, not only the locally stored ones | 14:46 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: too bad :/ maybe open a git repo somewhere, I'm sure people will be interested in working on that :) | 14:46 |
| lizardo | barisione: yes, although for frals' application (fMMS) I believe he will need to filter that somehow... | 14:47 |
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| frals | barisione, lizardo: for only getting cellnumbers/email - is there any benefit of using the 'pure' osso_abook way? | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | nah, git sucks | 14:48 |
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| jacekowski | i've got svn | 14:48 |
| wired | great, with the touch extension its actually usable | 14:48 |
| wired | :D | 14:48 |
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| wired | jacekowski: any easy ways to get all the missing certificates? | 14:48 |
| barisione | lizardo, frals: what I mean is that skype gives you the ability to set your own phone number, so your contacts get it for free. that's a normal phone number, so you should be able to send MMSes to it | 14:48 |
| wired | although its fun to see google with the scull icon lol | 14:49 |
| lizardo | barisione: oh, I see :) | 14:49 |
| frals | barisione: oh, thats pretty nifty | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | wired: i've not even played with it | 14:49 |
| rom1dep | jacekowski: I agree with you ^^ but when you see meego, harmattan, (soon) kde... /o\ | 14:49 |
| lizardo | frals: at least in my case, the abook API returned more complete information | 14:49 |
| lizardo | barisione: e.g. the osso_abook_contact_get_display_name() function returned useful information | 14:49 |
| lizardo | barisione: for the contacts returned through the ebook API, it was returning "No name" sometimes | 14:50 |
| frals | lizardo: in my case im only after the contacts UID | 14:50 |
| barisione | frals: in general it's faster (stuff could be cached), it should always work (there are a lots of corners cases in which libebook doesn't work properly) and you get better info (for instance the display name could come from IM) | 14:50 |
| barisione | lizardo: how were you getting the contact name using the libebook api? | 14:50 |
| frals | barisione: ok, thanks for the info :) | 14:50 |
| lizardo | barisione: e_contact_get_const (contact, E_CONTACT_FULL_NAME) | 14:51 |
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| barisione | ah yeah, that returns only the full name | 14:51 |
| lizardo | barisione: (note I'm totally newbie on abook/ebook APIs) | 14:51 |
| barisione | but the display name could come from other things | 14:51 |
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| barisione | lizardo: did you write the example in http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Accessing_APIs_without_Python_bindings#Accessing_Items_in_a_GList ? | 14:52 |
| frals | barisione: how does osso_abook_contact_get_display_name() decide which name to display? | 14:52 |
| lizardo | barisione: correct... in some of my contacts that field was empty, but abook seems to always return the expected name | 14:52 |
| barisione | frals: magic and settings | 14:52 |
| lizardo | barisione: yes, feel free to suggest improvements :) | 14:52 |
| frals | barisione: ok :) | 14:53 |
| barisione | frals: you can choose in the UI if you want “first last”, “last, first” or “nickname” and the default setting is different in different languages | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | what was default user password? | 14:53 |
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| mece | does the N900 get a "fail" on the first test like droid and iphone? | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | mece: no | 14:53 |
| barisione | frals: so libosso-abook tries to get the display name from the local contact based on the settings, if it fails from the IM contact and if it fails uses another name (like the nickname instead of the full name) | 14:53 |
| mece | figured :) | 14:54 |
| barisione | frals, lizardo: also, vcards have a full name fiels (FN) and a name field (N). only one of them could be specified or both | 14:54 |
| barisione | libosso-abook should use N and I think fallback on FN if needed | 14:55 |
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| frals | barisione: ok.. guess ill start using that instead of whatever python-evolution does when it does get_name() on a contact as that sometimes is empty :) | 14:55 |
| barisione | lizardo: g_list_nth should not be used as it's slow (it has to go through the full list every time) | 14:55 |
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| barisione | lizardo: with glists you do what I do in my C example | 14:56 |
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| lizardo | barisione: ok, will change that as well , thanks for the tip | 14:57 |
| barisione | np | 14:57 |
| lizardo | "ctypes: connecting Python and C people" | 14:58 |
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| frals | :D | 14:59 |
| rom1dep | must leave, bye ! | 14:59 |
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| SystemParadox | where's the USB networking module for N900? I can't find any usb-network-modules package | 15:11 |
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| jacekowski | mad-developer | 15:13 |
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| MohammadAG | wow the chrome on the battery cover is black | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | it's getting scratched | 15:15 |
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| MohammadAG | that's cheap... | 15:15 |
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| SystemParadox | argh what- the maemo-pc-connectivity package doesn't exist either? what's going on? | 15:21 |
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| SystemParadox | jacekowski, was the mad-developer something for me? | 15:25 |
| SystemParadox | isn't that PC side | 15:25 |
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| jacekowski | SystemParadox: it's phone side | 15:35 |
| jacekowski | why internet in scratchbox is not working | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | fresh install | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | and my /etc/resolv.conf is correct | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | does ping www.google.com work? | 15:37 |
| Anss| | what about restarting? | 15:37 |
| mikeos | jacekowski: be sure to be editing the proper /etc/resolv.conf | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | there is no ping in scratchbox | 15:38 |
| SystemParadox | jacekowski, I can't find any of these packages, no maddeveloper, no usb-network-modules, no maemo-pc-connectivity. Where are they? | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | SystemParadox: mad-developer | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | SystemParadox: in extras-devel or extras-testing | 15:38 |
| Anss| | jacekowski, maybe wget then | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | ok | 15:38 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 15:38 |
| jacekowski | wget is working fine | 15:38 |
| alterego | Still no PR1.2 crazy, | 15:38 |
| zeq | resolv.conf just uses localhost, the nameserver settings are dynamicly stored in /var/run by dnsmasq | 15:38 |
| alterego | Anyone successfully done a dist-upgrade using devel repo on their N900? ^.^ | 15:39 |
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| Anss| | https | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | so what's wrong with apt? | 15:39 |
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| Anss| | jacekowski, is it https or http | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | and it's not timeout | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | Anss|: no | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | Anss|: that shouldn't cause that error anyways | 15:40 |
| SystemParadox | is extras-testing safe to enable? | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | safer than flying a plane | 15:41 |
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| SystemParadox | I can fly a plane. It's still safer? | 15:41 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 15:42 |
| jacekowski | there was huge plane crash 2 days ago | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | but can you fly a helicopter | 15:42 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: libxss installation fails | 15:43 |
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| jacekowski | Scelt: fails on what? | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | error | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | is it the one from extras-devel repo? | 15:44 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: error code 1. unpack. trying to overwrite libxs.so.1.0.0 | 15:44 |
| Scelt | devel | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | uninstall previous version | 15:44 |
| jacekowski | the one you probably have from jacekowski.org/maemo/ | 15:44 |
| Scelt | yeah | 15:45 |
| Scelt | okay | 15:45 |
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| jacekowski | great | 15:45 |
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| jacekowski | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages (1) | 15:45 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 15:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | hey brah | 15:47 |
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| lardman | hi crashanddie_ | 15:49 |
| Scelt | frals: fmms doesn't use local time settings, it gives time always in UTC | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | excellent | 15:50 |
| ShadowJK | I mean if it gives the correct time in utc in all cirumstances, it beats my s60 nokia phon | 15:51 |
| Scelt | well, not sure but at least it gives UTC in mine even I'm using EET | 15:51 |
| lardman | anyone know how the hold down for right click is handled in Qt? | 15:51 |
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| jacekowski | http://gadzetomania.pl/images/2010/04/ipad_fail1.jpg | 15:53 |
| slingr | old news | 15:54 |
| haltdef | haha | 15:55 |
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| lardman | Could someone give me a hint as to what to look at for Qt copy to clipboard functionality, or do I use the standard osso libs? | 15:59 |
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| Anss| | have you guys check the dui gitorious lately? | 15:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | lardman: right click | 16:04 |
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| E0x | morning ppl | 16:05 |
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| lizardo | frals: ok, I just made a new ctypes example based on barisione's code: http://pastebin.com/Wgdr2Rkj | 16:07 |
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| lizardo | I'll update the wiki with it | 16:07 |
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| barisione | lizardo: why hash(osso_ctx)? | 16:08 |
| lizardo | barisione: it is how you get a GObject's C address in ctypes | 16:09 |
| barisione | ah | 16:09 |
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| barisione | weird :) | 16:09 |
| lizardo | barisione: http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq23.041.htp | 16:10 |
| barisione | lizardo: your glist(addr) seems to break if addr is null | 16:10 |
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| barisione | also, I'm not sure how it can work | 16:10 |
| lizardo | barisione: yes, but ... works :) it happens that pygobject uses the underlying C object address as the Python object hash | 16:10 |
| lizardo | barisione: yes, I was assuming the caller checks for the null pointer beforing calling it | 16:11 |
| crashanddie_ | lizardo: you need to check the value of addr before passing it on to .from_address() | 16:11 |
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| barisione | lizardo: NULL is a valid empty list in C | 16:11 |
| lizardo | barisione: in glib, you mean :) | 16:12 |
| barisione | yes :) | 16:12 |
| barisione | well, usually lists are implemented like that in C | 16:12 |
| lizardo | barisione: sure , I can add a simple check that make the iterator return nothing | 16:12 |
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| barisione | lizardo: also, won't l be the same at every iteration as you always get it from the address? | 16:12 |
| lizardo | so it becomes more "C friendly" | 16:12 |
| * lardman twiddles thumbs while SDK upgrades | 16:12 | |
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| lizardo | barisione: no, because of the yield operator | 16:13 |
| lizardo | barisione: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/classes.html#generators | 16:13 |
| lizardo | barisione: it's a neat Python trick :) | 16:13 |
| lizardo | (it also exists in other languanges , but usually is a kind of strange concept to C programmers) | 16:14 |
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| barisione | lizardo: I know about it :P but never really used python after yield was added to the language | 16:15 |
| barisione | lizardo: but I don't understand how yield changes stuff here | 16:15 |
| lizardo | barisione: it should work because the yield is inside a while loop | 16:16 |
| lizardo | barisione: so it returns the item's on each iterations and saves the context | 16:16 |
| barisione | lizardo: yes, but you overwrite l at every iteration | 16:16 |
| lizardo | barisione: no... because of the generator concept | 16:16 |
| lizardo | barisione: on next glist() call, it jumps to the saved context | 16:17 |
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| lizardo | barisione: it's kind like C's longjump (IIRC) | 16:17 |
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| barisione | but addr remains the same at every iteration? | 16:17 |
| barisione | or not? | 16:17 |
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| lizardo | barisione: e.g. , http://pastebin.com/YE6qRFBi | 16:19 |
| kamui | d00d | 16:19 |
| kamui | I gotta port crossfire | 16:19 |
| kamui | the client | 16:20 |
| kamui | :) | 16:20 |
| kamui | I haven't played that in ages, just started thinknig about it randomly today | 16:20 |
| lardman | bug 5422, that's good news I see just posted | 16:20 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5422 Disconnect inactive internet connections after idle timeout | 16:20 |
| lizardo | barisione: oh, I see what you mean :) | 16:20 |
| lizardo | barisione: it's a bug :) | 16:20 |
| lizardo | it should be "l" | 16:21 |
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| hrw | bug 6933 | 16:21 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong | 16:21 |
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| lizardo | barisione: happens when you read your own code for a long time... | 16:21 |
| barisione | :) | 16:21 |
| barisione | lizardo: yeah, you should have: | 16:22 |
| barisione | l = addr | 16:22 |
| barisione | while l: | 16:22 |
| lizardo | yep :) | 16:22 |
| barisione | l = _GList.from_address(l) | 16:22 |
| barisione | yield l.data | 16:22 |
| barisione | l = l.next | 16:22 |
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| lizardo | barisione: tks again :) I'll update the wiki pages asap | 16:24 |
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| * noobmonk3y blames MohammadAG for the world shortage of pistachio nuts... which is in turn causing bored people to spit randomly in different directions instead of spitooning the nut shells.... Which in turn will cause world flooding due to the in-balance of spit.... poor old MohammadAG. ;) | 16:25 | |
| noobmonk3y | right back to work..... | 16:25 |
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| lizardo | barisione, frals : ok... try #2: http://pastebin.com/5P1t0GVs | 16:26 |
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| barisione | lizardo: seems fine but I'm not an expert of ctypes | 16:28 |
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| lizardo | barisione: neither am I :) I enjoy playing with it though, I can get quick prototypes much faster than plain C | 16:29 |
| lizardo | s/quick// | 16:30 |
| infobot | lizardo meant: barisione: neither am I :) I enjoy playing with it though, I can get prototypes much faster than plain C | 16:30 |
| spencer | got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? | 16:30 |
| lizardo | (C is usually faster in performance) | 16:30 |
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| Scelt | fy nokia | 16:39 |
| Scelt | where's pr1.2? where's ovi maps 3? | 16:39 |
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| wired | who cares | 16:40 |
| wired | my n900 rocks as is :P | 16:40 |
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| * RST38h directs Scelt to a little blackened hole in the ground | 16:41 | |
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| Scelt | RST38h: I don't wanna see your black holes | 16:41 |
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| haltdef | wired, agree | 16:43 |
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| squidd | ovi maps 3 would be nice tho | 16:43 |
| spencer | got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? | 16:44 |
| wired | and a bigger default root partition as wel :P | 16:44 |
| wired | +l | 16:44 |
| squidd | root partition is fine for me :) | 16:44 |
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| Khertan | Heya ! | 16:44 |
| squidd | maybe they could do something with battery usage too. I mean, I barely get thru day :( | 16:45 |
| Khertan | Someone have try the pyside example ? particulary the syntax hilighter example ? it s freeze/loop each time something is written in the QText widget ... | 16:45 |
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| wired | squidd: battery is an issue yeah, but if you're careful it works ok... wifi switcher helps a lot | 16:46 |
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| squidd | yah | 16:48 |
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| floffe | 11 | 16:48 |
| * Khertan have a powerfull Samsung n130 which is in fact a good charger for n900 (usb charge) :) | 16:48 | |
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| squidd | I think I need to try using only 2G tomorrow in work since I can use wlan there. Maybe it helps when it doesnt jump between 2G-3G | 16:49 |
| squidd | 2G+wlan shouldnt use that much battery? | 16:50 |
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| ShadowJK | as long as the wlan access point isn't crap, yeah | 16:50 |
| squidd | well, thats the problem aswell :) | 16:50 |
| squidd | since sometimes I need to go between two different wlan access points | 16:51 |
| squidd | one doesnt cover the whole place so i got two \o& | 16:51 |
| squidd | \o/* | 16:51 |
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| wired | its really hard to not drain the battery with wifi... | 16:51 |
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| ShadowJK | mine sirs like 24 hours or something on wifi with xchat open | 16:52 |
| squidd | It shouldnt drain it as fast as with 2G-3G jumping tho | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | 3g uses about 20 times more power than noncrap wifi for the always-online case with frequent but low amounts of data transfer | 16:53 |
| squidd | yay | 16:53 |
| squidd | so 2G + wifi should be good for me when I'm at work | 16:54 |
| squidd | need to try it tomorow | 16:54 |
| squidd | +r | 16:54 |
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| ShadowJK | data on 2g should be lots better too | 16:55 |
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| squidd | ya, but its so damn slow :( | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | depends what you are doing of course | 16:56 |
| squidd | works well for ssh+irssi but for browsing it sucks | 16:56 |
| lcuk | irc over 2g works well | 16:56 |
| squidd | it does, yes | 16:56 |
| squidd | used it today | 16:56 |
| * MohammadAG wants a static IP for his 3G/2G connection | 16:57 | |
| ShadowJK | I dont browse that many sites that would be light enough that cpu use would be a smaller part than the transfer over edge | 16:57 |
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| * Khertan want that isp remove limitation on things other than http and https on his 3G/2G connection | 16:58 | |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 16:58 | |
| javispedro | morning gentlemen | 16:58 |
| ShadowJK | but for gpodder 3g rocks, 5MBit/s! | 16:58 |
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| ShadowJK | wikipedia: no difference between edge/3g/wifi... layout is so heavy | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 16:59 |
| * jacekowski just lost all hope | 16:59 | |
| jacekowski | i just found web page where somebody packed my chrome build and clams ownership of it | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | claims* | 17:00 |
| squidd | thats cool, isn't it :D | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | he will regret it | 17:03 |
| squidd | good | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | will you use a hidden virical jacekowski license term? | 17:03 |
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| javispedro | to sue him into oblivion? | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | nah | 17:04 |
| wired | lol | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | i've got better ways of punishing people | 17:04 |
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| kamui | jacekowski, what site | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | it's polish site | 17:06 |
| spencer | got a question on dbus mce request?? i somehow didn't get the proxy object from dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name.. and the error message showed nothing.. any ideas? | 17:08 |
| squidd | jacekowski: you just pwn them to oblivion? | 17:08 |
| wired | jacekowski: i'll set up a scratchbox later, perhaps I could help with this :) | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | nah, i'll just ddos that site | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | week of downtime will do | 17:09 |
| squidd | that evil | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | it's primitve | 17:09 |
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| wired | for some reason the caps lock is always on when typing in in-page textfields in chromium | 17:10 |
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| jacekowski | i know | 17:11 |
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| jacekowski | but i have to rebuild it with debugging information to fix it | 17:11 |
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| jacekowski | and i can't use autobuilder for it | 17:11 |
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| zeq1 | OpenVPN works if you need/want full connectivity over 2G/3G. I'm about to create a bugzilla entry with the fixes to get it working with redirect-gateway and dnsmasq. There's still an issue when the connection goes down or switches to/from wifi needing openvpn to be restarted though.. | 17:27 |
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| wired | zeq1: you can easily create a bash script to monitor that | 17:33 |
| E0x | what i need fro create widget ( skill , software , etc ) | 17:34 |
| lcuk | E0x, large amounts of etc | 17:34 |
| lcuk | where etc = bacon | 17:34 |
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| Treibholz | and eggs | 17:35 |
| E0x | heh | 17:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | 'night all | 17:36 |
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| E0x | lcuk: i am look for do my baby step in dev in my n900 so i think is a easy one | 17:36 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: I saw an interview about a guy who did everything with bacon | 17:36 |
| zeq1 | wired: that's true, do you know if there's a suitable hook/event to trigger on network (re-)connections? | 17:36 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: bacon coke, bacon icecream, bacon pasta, bacon cheese, bacon fries, bacon mustard, bacon ketchup | 17:37 |
| jacekowski | bacon bacon? | 17:37 |
| crashanddie_ | then there was fried bacon, wrapped in bacon, wrapped around a sausage, stuffed in a chicken, wrapped in bacon. | 17:37 |
| wired | zeq1: there probably is, but im not aware of it :) | 17:37 |
| wired | zeq1: you could go simple and use ifconfig to monitor which interface is up and its ip | 17:38 |
| lcuk | baconaisse on your bacon sandwich | 17:38 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah but baconaise is a classic | 17:38 |
| lcuk | mmmmm | 17:38 |
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| lcuk | E0x, widgets are a harder class | 17:38 |
| lcuk | for beginner to grasp | 17:38 |
| crashanddie_ | anyway, later | 17:38 |
| E0x | lcuk: oh | 17:38 |
| zeq1 | polling would't be good for battery life though | 17:38 |
| zeq1 | I think dbus is probably the way to go | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Polling can actually be very light | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | while true do | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | sleep 60 | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | if ... | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | is surprisingly light on battery | 17:40 |
| E0x | lcuk: any recomendation ? | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | yes, try some hello worlds with python | 17:40 |
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| lcuk | see how you feel without spending tonnes of time setting up much | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: you can do useful widgets with only awk or shell. with command-line-execution widget | 17:41 |
| zeq1 | I suppose that would't be too bad, but it would be better to have it respond instantly to network reconfigurations | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got one widget with the name 'dim' - that when pressed executes echo > ... | 17:41 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: yes i was thinking in something like that , but using ruby | 17:41 |
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| zeq1 | I'll do some more digging | 17:42 |
| Treibholz | E0x: I dont't think, there are ruby-bindings (yet) | 17:43 |
| E0x | :( | 17:43 |
| Treibholz | as there is no ruby in the default-repositories | 17:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | you've also got to think about library footprint | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure - your ruby app might be a small one. | 17:43 |
| Treibholz | E0x: use python (thats more beautifull anyway) | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | But nothing on the device uses the ruby interpreter, libraries, or ... | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | So it might use an additional 20M - say - of memory. | 17:44 |
| E0x | ok | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | and take another 2s to start | 17:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Compared to something written in python or perl | 17:44 |
| spencer | can anyone help me on a dbus mce request question?? | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | spencer: shoot | 17:45 |
| spencer | i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. | 17:45 |
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| spencer | any idea? | 17:52 |
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| spencer | SpeedEvil, any clue? | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | nope, sorry, never used dbus much | 17:56 |
| dmj726_n900 | pidgin seems to think links are being pressed sometimes when they aren't. | 17:57 |
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| javispedro | mikkov: there? | 18:01 |
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| nidO | C-S-B: around? | 18:11 |
| C-S-B | yup | 18:11 |
| C-S-B | ;) | 18:11 |
| nidO | ukdedicated.com seem to be hiring if you're still looking | 18:12 |
| C-S-B | awesome. | 18:12 |
| C-S-B | do they have a jobs email adress? | 18:12 |
| nidO | no idea on any requirements etc as I cant find a public ad for the position, I have their techs on msn though and theyve got "we're hiring - msg me" in their names, but are afk ;) | 18:13 |
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| C-S-B | well if you can grab an email address I'd love to submit my cv at least | 18:15 |
| C-S-B | :) | 18:15 |
| nidO | you'd probably be best mailing craig@flump.net | 18:15 |
| C-S-B | who's that? | 18:16 |
| nidO | flump.net == ukdedicated.com, 2 brands of the same business | 18:16 |
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| C-S-B | Thanks nidO | 18:19 |
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| C-S-B | Email sent. | 18:19 |
| C-S-B | I need to head out and collect the gf who started her job today. :) | 18:19 |
| nidO | lucky her ;) | 18:20 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, ping | 18:47 |
| PhonicUK | anyone know of an app that will announce when mobile reception is/isn't available? | 18:48 |
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| peetah | hi all | 19:01 |
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| peetah | anyone aware of a way to use something like localepurge with maemo ? | 19:01 |
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| khertan | Hi again | 19:01 |
| peetah | I mean, it uses docpurge by default, so why not localepurge ? | 19:02 |
| khertan | someone have an idea why this code doesn t hilight syntax on maemo ? | 19:02 |
| khertan | http://pastebin.com/XAtemMBe | 19:02 |
| khertan | ~ping | 19:03 |
| infobot | ~pong | 19:03 |
| khertan | it s works elsewhere | 19:03 |
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| slonopotamus | hello, maemo people | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | can anyone explain where my package dissapeared from extras-devel? http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ | 19:06 |
| slonopotamus | ah, 'old version cleaned' | 19:07 |
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| slonopotamus | wonderful, just wonderful | 19:07 |
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| * slonopotamus sets up a daily script to upload new version. | 19:07 | |
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| khertan | you are lucky mine don t want to disappear | 19:08 |
| khertan | bug 9894 | 19:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9894 Ask for remove of all pypackager of fremantle extras, extras-testing, extras-devel | 19:08 |
| slonopotamus | err, no | 19:08 |
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| slonopotamus | cleaner didn't remove last ones | 19:08 |
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| slonopotamus | khertan: heh | 19:10 |
| slonopotamus | sooo? | 19:11 |
| slonopotamus | (note, sflphone-common is still in repo) | 19:11 |
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| korhojoa | http://jvprocon.com/~joakim/lelwut.png | 19:14 |
| korhojoa | can someone tell me why this happens? | 19:15 |
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| corecode | does the xlv work for you with smartreflex enabled? | 19:15 |
| slonopotamus | Jaffa: ping | 19:16 |
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| korhojoa | corecode: I didn't explicitly enable smartreflex, was that needed? | 19:16 |
| corecode | i think otherwise the voltage regulation does not happen at all | 19:16 |
| corecode | i could be wrong, that's just my brief interpretation of the source | 19:17 |
| korhojoa | so uh, it ran at what voltage then? | 19:17 |
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| corecode | at the stock voltage | 19:17 |
| corecode | like the stock kernel | 19:17 |
| korhojoa | then it should not have used more power? | 19:17 |
| korhojoa | because that's just retarded | 19:17 |
| corecode | no | 19:17 |
| corecode | is that batteryeye? | 19:17 |
| slonopotamus | the most embarrasing thing is that i got no notification on removal | 19:17 |
| korhojoa | batterygraph | 19:18 |
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| corecode | ah new version | 19:18 |
| corecode | nice | 19:18 |
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| corecode | korhojoa: did you have it running at a higher frequency? | 19:22 |
| corecode | or maybe have more processes running? | 19:22 |
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| TheOne | hi @all | 19:23 |
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| TheOne | i am not sure whether i found a bug or i am only stupi ^^ | 19:24 |
| TheOne | maybe someone can help me | 19:24 |
| TheOne | my problem relates to Petrovich | 19:24 |
| TheOne | the bluetooth app | 19:24 |
| TheOne | i would sent a friend a file from my n900 to his mobile phone | 19:25 |
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| slonopotamus | (if we were in ##c, you would be already banned for excessive flood) :) | 19:25 |
| kamui | lame | 19:25 |
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| kamui | I dont' see chromium in the software repo for testing | 19:26 |
| kamui | :( | 19:26 |
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| TheOne | at first there was the paring procedure of the 2 devices | 19:26 |
| nidO | its in -devel | 19:26 |
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| TheOne | and here was the problem, we used numbers as key and i could not type numbers with the hardware keyboard | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | press 0 without the fn | 19:27 |
| TheOne | only via the onscreen keyboard | 19:27 |
| korhojoa | corecode: no, default speeds, just lower voltage. nothing more running either | 19:27 |
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| TheOne | yes i tried it with fn + number and the number key without fn | 19:28 |
| korhojoa | corecode: i actually played commander keen (dosbox) and listened to music with the stock kernel when that was taken | 19:28 |
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| TheOne | i always get the caracter | 19:28 |
| * slonopotamus wonders why he has _two_ browserd processes on n900. doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of running as daemon? | 19:28 | |
| ShadowJK | You guys realize that in idle, the CPU will be running at 0MHz, and the voltage will be 0V? :-) | 19:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Your ULV kernels will only make a difference for when the CPU is actually used | 19:28 |
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| javispedro | slonopotamus: miracles of modern technologies. one is used for normal browsing the other used for the conversations app. | 19:29 |
| TheOne | does somebody have the same problem? | 19:29 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: why they can't be a single one? (and did you see my sflphone-client-gnome that dissapeared from extras-devel?) | 19:29 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: it does? | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | TheOne, did you hold in the blue arrow (fn) while pressing the key with the blue 0? | 19:29 |
| kamui | nid0, i don't see it at all in my repositories | 19:29 |
| ShadowJK | corecode, what does what? | 19:29 |
| kamui | and I have testing and devel enabled | 19:29 |
| corecode | ShadowJK: so, what is using energy then? the maintained wifi/3g connections? | 19:30 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: dunno really, just wondering that thing too. | 19:30 |
| kamui | hmm, let me manually look under all | 19:30 |
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| TomaszD | kamui, refresh then, it's under network, I'm downloading it right now | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | corecode, ram, radios, peripherals | 19:30 |
| nidO | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/chromium/5.0.369.2-maemo2/ | 19:30 |
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| nidO | its there ^ | 19:30 |
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| corecode | mm ram | 19:30 |
| corecode | should switch off banks | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: no googleable traces, all deps seem to be in place... straange | 19:30 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: was it submitted recently? | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | there was a bug fixed this morning for all I know | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: no, 2 months ago | 19:31 |
| javispedro | pft, dunno. | 19:31 |
| marcus__ | If I use the speedometer from Ovi Store, does it then connect to the internet etc? I've had some problems with using GPS without internet, but could just be a coincidence | 19:31 |
| ShadowJK | Standby is really really low power... the goal is to get back to standby as soon as possible... and for that, running at 600MHz to minimize active time and maximize standby time can be a win :-) | 19:31 |
| TheOne | ShadowJK: for example i want type 1 - i first use fn + Q and get the letter q, after that i remove the q and tried only the Key Q and get a q too | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ has changelog | 19:31 |
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| ShadowJK | marcus__, presumable since it's a speedometer it uses the Location service, which connects to the internet if you have Network Positioning enabled in the Location settings, and doesn't if you don't | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: so everything is there (even package page), except for debs | 19:32 |
| marcus__ | ShadowJK: So what's up with the GPS? Why would it need internet? :S | 19:32 |
| corecode | agps | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | marcus__, it doesn't need it, it's just faster with it | 19:33 |
| marcus__ | Aha. Goodie. | 19:33 |
| marcus__ | Thankie. | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | internet is like a gazillion times faster than downloading stuff from the satellite | 19:33 |
| corecode | i had serious problems making it work at all without network | 19:33 |
| nidO | "downloading stuff from the satellite"? | 19:34 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: lol, indeed http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/s/sflphone-client-gnome/sflphone-client-gnome_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo8_armel.deb | 19:34 |
| corecode | the almanac | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: i suspect old package cleaner was working too hard | 19:34 |
| javispedro | (404) | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | Most people either permanently stand in a spot where the signal is too bad for downloading data from the satellites, or wave their device around like a crackmonkey so that the GPS chip never manages to download all the data and ends up having to restart from scratch constantly | 19:34 |
| corecode | where is which sattelite | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | almanac, ephemeris | 19:34 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: bump the version number and resubmit, if it happens again complain :) | 19:34 |
| TheOne | ShadowJK: do you know what i mean? | 19:35 |
| korhojoa | ShadowJK: what i don't understand is why the device doesn't try to download from multiple sources and patch together what it didn't get earlier | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: maybe just cron resubmit job? :) | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | TheOne, hm... | 19:35 |
| javispedro | slonopotamus: did it happen more than once? | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: nope | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | TheOne, I would have thought that atleast one of those methods would have given a number :( | 19:36 |
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| TomaszD | testing | 19:36 |
| TheOne | me too ^^ | 19:36 |
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| ShadowJK | korhojoa, it doesn't know the data will be correct if it patches together | 19:36 |
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| javispedro | slonopotamus: then hope the autoclearner learns his lesson :P | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | wait | 19:36 |
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| slonopotamus | javispedro: autocleaner removed them all | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not really sure if it knows the actual position of the stuff coming from the sky.. | 19:36 |
| ShadowJK | and finding the satellite to download from in the first place it slower without agps :/ | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: maemo8 was removed too. i missed it first time | 19:37 |
| corecode | i think it can listen to any satellite | 19:37 |
| corecode | but it just takes very very long | 19:37 |
| korhojoa | ShadowJK: i mean, can't it look at the end of where the transmission ended and then look at where to continue next time? | 19:37 |
| slonopotamus | wtf?? | 19:37 |
| corecode | hum? | 19:38 |
| corecode | it just has to listen to the satellite | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | It's one-way communication, you can't ask the sat to send the missing bytes :) | 19:38 |
| corecode | until the stuff comes what it wants | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: according to package page, maemo8 version was autocleaned the same minute it was imported | 19:38 |
| nidO | almanac data comes from all satellites simultaneously on a repeat, that data only needs to be downloaded infrequently anyway | 19:38 |
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| javispedro | slonopotamus: clearly, he hates you | 19:39 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: and then, a week later, all previous versions were cleaned | 19:39 |
| * javispedro doesn't know the actual logic behind it | 19:39 | |
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| ShadowJK | So with perfect signal it takes 30 seconds to get the entire message from the sat, if you miss a piece you have to wait another 30sec while hte transmission loops :D | 19:40 |
| ShadowJK | and you need, what, 4 satellites to determine your position? :) | 19:40 |
| * javispedro remember something like that in his old garmin receiver manual | 19:41 | |
| nidO | 3 for a rough fix | 19:41 |
| RST38h | moo all | 19:41 |
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| ShadowJK | "Each frame contains 1/25th of the almanac, so 12.5 minutes are required to receive the entire almanac from a single satellite." | 19:41 |
| javispedro | including the "WHY IS THIS THING SO SLOW PART" | 19:41 |
| ShadowJK | ouch :) | 19:41 |
| javispedro | ls | 19:41 |
| slonopotamus | pwd | 19:41 |
| javispedro | /porn | 19:41 |
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| slonopotamus | ~porn | 19:42 |
| infobot | Porn remains one of the largest problems with Open Source Software. Often causing development delays, flooded links and, in extreme cases, disabling programmers ability to type. | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | muahaha :D | 19:42 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h, about bug 9752, have a minute? | 19:42 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752 Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries | 19:42 |
| RST38h | javis: yes? | 19:42 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h: do you manage extras-devel repo? | 19:43 |
| RST38h | slono: no. | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | slonopotamus: X-Fade does it | 19:43 |
| slonopotamus | ah, right | 19:43 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: thx | 19:43 |
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| * slonopotamus summons X-Fade | 19:44 | |
| * slonopotamus fails | 19:44 | |
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| kamui | TomaszD, found it! | 19:46 |
| kamui | lame sauce, but I got it under all, didn't show for me under network at first | 19:46 |
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| kamui | not until I did my updates | 19:47 |
| slonopotamus | btw. who decided to trigger autobuilder on .dsc upload and not on .changes? dput uploads dsc (fast), then tarball (slow), then .changes (fast). so with current triggering it has high chances to get half-uploaded tarball. | 19:47 |
| KMFDM | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Participatory_economics | 19:48 |
| KMFDM | err | 19:48 |
| KMFDM | wrong channel | 19:48 |
| TheOne | ShadowJK: i will write report it as a bug to the Petrovich author | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: emm | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: it takes like 10s to upload tarball | 19:52 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: ... that depends on tarball size and network bandwidth. | 19:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm is autobuilder back alive or still having that time of the month? :| | 19:56 |
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| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: it was alive this morning | 19:58 |
| noobmonk3y | yay | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: but i think it's still building against pr1.2 | 19:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh thats ok, not had that issue yet with mine | 19:59 |
| noobmonk3y | using python :D | 19:59 |
| noobmonk3y | seems to get past that bit ok | 19:59 |
| lcuk | if username = "n00bmonk3y": | 19:59 |
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| slonopotamus | javispedro: there's a total mess with autocleaner... | 20:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk, noobmonk3y == Special ;) | 20:00 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk was just panicking, he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he didnt get a daily healthcheck update ;) | 20:01 |
| korhojoa | you know what i like about summer? | 20:02 |
| noobmonk3y | the sun? | 20:02 |
| korhojoa | it's 20:02 already, and the sun hasn't set | 20:02 |
| korhojoa | <3 | 20:02 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, lol | 20:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D mid-:D | 20:05 |
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| TheOne | bye | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG | hi | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: you will know something regarding that bugtracker link requirement | 20:06 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone got a link to the image shown at the summit? | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | (about not keeping the N900 locked @ 550/600) | 20:08 |
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| slonopotamus | bug 9902 | 20:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel | 20:10 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: /\ | 20:10 |
| * marcusm_m wonders if you can receive the text of a textmessage using DBus and then use espeak to speak it out loud ^_^ | 20:10 | |
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| javispedro | slonopotamus: well done | 20:11 |
| lcuk | lolololol slonopotamus | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | javispedro: i'm lucky that it didn't purge html page too :) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | its just being efficient | 20:11 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: that's not funny :) | 20:11 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 20:12 | |
| noobmonk3y | tis a little | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | well, actually it is funny :) | 20:12 |
| noobmonk3y | i just love the way you did everything correctly and logged a bug ;) | 20:12 |
| slonopotamus | but my user isn't happy :) | 20:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | not suprised :( | 20:12 |
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| slonopotamus | i wonder how autocleaner determines that particular version isn't the latest one. | 20:13 |
| slonopotamus | i think it does that wrong :) | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | i'm betting it ignores maemo* section in equation - its meant to hold last 5 builds from what i hear | 20:14 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-client-gnome/ | 20:14 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: well. 5 builds != no builds at all :) | 20:14 |
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| lcuk | ofc - something made it go OTT cleaning | 20:14 |
| slonopotamus | OTT - ? | 20:15 |
| slonopotamus | ofc - ? | 20:15 |
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| marcusm_m | Anyone know if someone is working on a port for Bub Brothers? :P | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, ofcourse | 20:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, it finally realised after parsing 1000+ healtcheck builds that it needed a diet and cleaned itself up? | 20:16 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: i have wild guess. i uploaded ...-karmic-... (instead of jaunty) before, but it did't build and didn't stop maemo1-maemo5 from going into repo | 20:18 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: weird things started from maemo6 | 20:18 |
| slonopotamus | brb | 20:19 |
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| jacekowski | does anybody know what software is used on autobuilder? | 20:21 |
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| jacekowski | and could share configs | 20:21 |
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| Chiku | sob 1.2 still not out :( | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: indeed it might be ~ char throwing it off | 20:34 |
| javispedro | but dunno | 20:34 |
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| lcuk | ~ is used in dpkg to incicate less than or something | 20:35 |
| javispedro | yeah, it's valid | 20:35 |
| * lcuk never suggested it wasnt | 20:36 | |
| * javispedro might had in his previous assert | 20:36 | |
| MohammadAG | oh for the love of god /var/tmp/ccZVnO3f.s:109050: Fatal error: can't close CMakeFiles/flake.dir/tools/KoCreatePathTool.o: No space left on device | 20:37 |
| javispedro | that's good! | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | i filled my laptop's HDD :/ | 20:37 |
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| * MohammadAG needs to find a way to backup scratchbox | 20:37 | |
| MohammadAG | it's the PR1.1.1 SDK, and I can't lose that! | 20:38 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: hehe :) | 20:38 |
| javispedro | oh, in the future you should | 20:39 |
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| javispedro | we're trying to bring in a more recent shlibdeps :P | 20:39 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, i'll lose it when I get PR1.2 :p | 20:42 |
| javispedro | by then who knows if the pr1.3 sdk will be out :D | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, well I hope you guys don't update the autobuilder next time! :P | 20:43 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 20:44 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:44 |
| javispedro | there's people who wanted it -- qt guys mostly. | 20:44 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders why | 20:45 | |
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| MohammadAG | they can't install their own apps then | 20:45 |
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| javispedro | and there will be people that will want the 1.3 whenever it comes because it will have whizzy-whisky-optimized-trithium codecs | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, make a separate autobuilder for them ;) | 20:45 |
| javispedro | and then ditch qa? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, did you try the live wallpaper package? | 20:47 |
| javispedro | you would have a fremantle-1.0 QA queue, a fremantle-1.2 queue, and a fremantle-1.3 queue. | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, QA doesn't really apply in -devel :) | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG | ditch the 1.0 one :) | 20:48 |
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| javispedro | (cue complains from people who won't upgrade to 1.2 the day it's out, which includes me) | 20:48 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, yes | 20:49 |
| lcuk | not yours tho | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | it's not mine, i just repackaged it for PR1.1.1 | 20:49 |
| lcuk | exactly, i did not use your repackaged version | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | kept control file the same too :) | 20:49 |
| * MohammadAG threatens lcuk and tells him to give him the PR1.2 image | 20:50 | |
| lcuk | that took you a while :) | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | lag :P | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, how long have you had the image? | 20:52 |
| * lcuk shrugs | 20:52 | |
| * MohammadAG persists | 20:53 | |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, don't, i'm not aiming to guess a release date :) | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | wow, ive been a member of gitorious now since january | 20:55 |
| * MohammadAG apologizes to lcuk :) | 20:58 | |
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| V13 | j #maemo-devel | 21:07 |
| V13 | oops | 21:08 |
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| V13 | t.m.o. needs to be split in a social and a technical forum... there is too much repetitive noise... | 21:13 |
| V13 | (whichever way you see it | 21:13 |
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| RST38h | ...then everybody in the social part has to be banned, permanently | 21:13 |
| V13 | :) | 21:13 |
| andre__ | there's categories for that I'd say. | 21:13 |
| V13 | andre__ yes, but there is just one "active topics" tab | 21:13 |
| lcuk | we should have a check for repetition and see how many creative ways to ask for 1.2 they can come up with | 21:14 |
| V13 | none | 21:14 |
| V13 | (you said creative :-) | 21:14 |
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| V13 | at some point i heard (here i believe) for an easy way to use the accelerometer for games... any idea ? | 21:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - 0th cut is just to read from /sys/wherever/coord | 21:18 |
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| V13 | someone had mentioned a way to use it as input using a library.. not reading and translating coord | 21:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | k | 21:23 |
| Jaffa | slonopotamus: pong | 21:24 |
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| V13 | the builder has wrong time... | 21:30 |
| * noobmonk3y is about to test the autobuilder :| | 21:30 | |
| V13 | i promoted a package about 5 minutes ago and its timestamp is still 2 minutes in the future | 21:30 |
| V13 | (18.32 UTC) | 21:31 |
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| V13 | noobmonk3y: hit it... it can take it... | 21:31 |
| * noobmonk3y jusy "hit it" ........ eeeeeeeeeek | 21:32 | |
| noobmonk3y | just* | 21:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | wow build succeeded in 2 mins | 21:33 |
| noobmonk3y | seems quicker ;) | 21:33 |
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| X-Fade | slonopotamus: Will look at your issue tomorrow. The cleaner seems to either not like you or is a bit too agressive. | 21:35 |
| * V13 rephrases a song from iron maiden | 21:35 | |
| * noobmonk3y thinks the first option, but is not sure | 21:35 | |
| V13 | "abuse it, misuse it, it can take all that you've got" | 21:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | i dunno, even the strongest people cry when they see healthcheck.... pretty sure autobuilder has a tantrum when i get near it ;) | 21:36 |
| javispedro | lcuk: there, your dark side clone ("luck") is on #meego ! ;) | 21:37 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Nah, autobuilder has seen some really dark things today. | 21:37 |
| V13 | any idea on whom I may annoy when a project has 10 votes but cannot be promoted ? | 21:37 |
| V13 | (most probably because of "special" votes) | 21:37 |
| javispedro | chronos, god of time? | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade, did you feed it after midnight again :| | 21:37 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Evil experiments :) | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | omg | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | my N900 went from 60% to 0% | 21:38 |
| * noobmonk3y feeds MohammadAG to the autobuilder | 21:38 | |
| MohammadAG | in 1 minute | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG !!! | 21:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | that'll teach you to not overclock ;) | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | no seriously! | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | i'm at 600MHz :) | 21:38 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Redraw after unlock? | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | as i said ;) | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, huh? :) | 21:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | wtfffff | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: When you unlock the screen, then it only redraws the screen. So for a short moment you see the old screen before lock? | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | autobuilder just cleaned a reasonably new version | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | the one in testing....... | 21:39 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 21:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | i'm hoping it just cleaned it outta devel | 21:40 |
| kamui | yo | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, nope | 21:40 |
| noobmonk3y | yoyo | 21:40 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Should keep one version? | 21:40 |
| V13 | xm.. -0 ? | 21:40 |
| kamui | so who's using chromium | 21:40 |
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| kamui | I find it quite nice for an early build | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, http://i39.tinypic.com/15qxe6w.jpg | 21:41 |
| V13 | noobmonk3y: you forced -0 as version ? | 21:41 |
| kamui | but all my letter IN the browser are stuck in caps | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | well 1.0 is in testing, and 1.1 is in devel, it said it just cleaned 1.0 | 21:41 |
| kamui | :( | 21:41 |
| V13 | are you making a debian native package ? | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | 1.0.0-0 and 1.1.0-0 | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | that's small.... | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | python | 21:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | just checking the HAM sandwhich | 21:41 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Yes, it remove 1.0 from devel. But 1.1 is on it's way in. | 21:41 |
| noobmonk3y | yay | 21:42 |
| * noobmonk3y pats autobuilder on the back | 21:42 | |
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| V13 | x-fade: until yesterday it was only cleaning older debian versions (e.g -1 when -2 was uploaded) no ? | 21:42 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, X-Fade http://i40.tinypic.com/2l42dg.jpg | 21:42 |
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| X-Fade | V13: it still does that. | 21:42 |
| noobmonk3y | wow!!! | 21:42 |
| X-Fade | V13: Just keeps one version. | 21:42 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, did it fart as it discharged? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | wish the stock market was like that | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 21:43 |
| V13 | then it should not clean 1.0 when 1.1 was uploaded... right ? | 21:43 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, when it gets some juice - new h/c uploaded to devel ;) | 21:43 |
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| X-Fade | V13: Sure it should. Only one. | 21:43 |
| noobmonk3y | V13, assuming it cleaned it from devel, not testing | 21:43 |
| noobmonk3y | so i now have 1 version in devel, and 1 in testing | 21:43 |
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| V13 | ok.. :) | 21:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, have to admit that pic looks like mine when i use joikuspot ;) | 21:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhh fucksocks | 21:47 |
| noobmonk3y | mistake in that devel version | 21:47 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, doesnt joiku have to maintain an adhoc host | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, yep | 21:48 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, it's a damn straight line lol | 21:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 21:48 |
| javispedro | adhoc and powersaving are incompatible | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | can anybody try if sudo rf -rf / would break their phone? | 21:49 |
| javispedro | rf: command not found | 21:49 |
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| V13 | why not try this to the scratchbox? :-))) | 21:49 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you ;) | 21:50 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, you seem to have made a typo in your script | 21:50 |
| spencer | i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. can anyone help? | 21:50 |
| jacekowski | rm -rf / | 21:50 |
| lcuk | please can you fix it, run a corrective cycle on your machine to confirm | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | then let us know the fixed version | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, i'm not using powersaver :) | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | errordeveloper, adhoc* | 21:50 |
| V13 | i tried it... it works ok.. | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | err* | 21:51 |
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| V13 | MohammadAG: I was referring to jacekowski. | 21:51 |
| lcuk | more often than not :p | 21:51 |
| V13 | t:) | 21:51 |
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| javispedro | C:\> rm -rf / | 21:52 |
| javispedro | command not found | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | but I typed it in that ms-dos thing!! | 21:52 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, LOL | 21:52 |
| timeless_mbp | um | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, thanks for the input :P | 21:53 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ vero.fi? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, linux, on the N900 | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | not me | 21:53 |
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| lcukn900 | rm -rf / | 21:54 |
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| lcuk | what was it meant to do> | 21:54 |
| lcuk | i dont tihnk its broke it | 21:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I clicked on the ms-dos thing in my n900 and typed that but the same happened!! | 21:54 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: I had to install rover.sys just to get - working!! | 21:54 |
| * noobmonk3y just tried it on my ubuntu vm... | 21:55 | |
| V13 | javispedro: first install cygwin | 21:55 |
| * MohammadAG detects sarcasm | 21:55 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you're kidding... I hope | 21:55 |
| * noobmonk3y really did just try it... it's a vm, whats the worst thats gonna happen? | 21:55 | |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade, or both :) | 21:55 |
| lcuk | norton says this script is potentially damaging and that it will nto be ran | 21:55 |
| * noobmonk3y will re-install it tomorrow anyway ;) | 21:55 | |
| V13 | i remember ubuntu having a "protection" for it.. they had a patch that prevented that. | 21:55 |
| noobmonk3y | it certainly is doing something | 21:56 |
| red | timeless_mbp: yes | 21:56 |
| V13 | which of course was heavily criticized | 21:56 |
| X-Fade | Fixed the issue, will recover your app tomorrow. I'm way too tired after some intense hacking today :) | 21:56 |
| V13 | rofl | 21:56 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwww X-Fade | 21:56 |
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| * lcuk slides a beer over @ X-Fade | 21:56 | |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, you should like it :) bug 9902 | 21:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel | 21:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: youch | 21:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | lmfao | 21:57 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade, build works quicker than normal, butttttttt | 21:57 |
| javispedro | noooooooooooooooooooooooo | 21:57 |
| noobmonk3y | the icon has vanished from HAM completely lol | 21:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | red: i just got something in the mail from vero | 21:58 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Pretty sure that is not the builder's fault. | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to find an equivalency | 21:58 |
| * noobmonk3y will blame it while he can ;) | 21:58 | |
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| noobmonk3y | havn't changed anything though, may just need time to recover from it's seizure | 21:58 |
| red | okay? | 21:58 |
| red | i just got my tax papers from them less than week ago | 21:59 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, is it a sign that machines declared a war on people? :) | 21:59 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, Healthcheck is now working and in extras-devel l- minus the icon ;) | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | do i want http://vero.fi/?path=488,489&article=5460&domain=VERO_ENGLISH ? | 21:59 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 21:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 maybe? | 21:59 |
| povbot | Bug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel | 21:59 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, away from the screen. BBT. | 22:00 |
| noobmonk3y | ciaooooooooo | 22:00 |
| javispedro | cya | 22:00 |
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| red | timeless_mbp: if you ahve nothing to add or correct then no, but if say you have a long way to work and cannot use public transportation due a good reason - you can ease your taxes | 22:00 |
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| red | like 0,24€ * kilometers (home-work work-home) * days (usually 22) * months | 22:01 |
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| smhar | what pdf viewer is available to N900? | 22:03 |
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| RST38h | moo, konttori | 22:04 |
| marcusm | smhar: Isn't there a built-in? | 22:04 |
| smhar | I do not know. I am planning on buying an N900. I have N97 which have a shareware adobe acrobat reader that is expired already | 22:05 |
| ds3 | built in | 22:05 |
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| marcusm | Aha. I'm pretty sure there's one built-in. (: | 22:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | smhar: the builtin one is very fast and does a fair job. only thing lacking is kinetic scrolling | 22:06 |
| smhar | good to know.. thanks | 22:07 |
| konttori | RST38h: moo to you too! | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: And arbitrary zoom. | 22:07 |
| ds3 | I much rather see it behave better with really really really huge PDFs | 22:08 |
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| slingr | hrm.. any essential apps anyone can name off the top of their head | 22:09 |
| slingr | i recently got Sygic Mobile Maps, and Joikuspot | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | slingr: for me. Camkeyd - switch back to the desktop with cam button, flashlight, fbreader (ebooks) | 22:10 |
| konttori | slingr: picodrive, drnoksnes | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | slingr: xchat | 22:10 |
| slingr | yay :D | 22:10 |
| slingr | this should keep me busy for 5 minutes | 22:11 |
| konttori | slingr: 2g / 3g switcher status bar applet. | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | slingr: 'speedy' - net-speed measurerer | 22:11 |
| marcusm | DrNokSnes<3 | 22:11 |
| slingr | fbreader... | 22:11 |
| ds3 | camkeyd is a must have | 22:11 |
| slingr | yeah i got that one konttori | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | red: i need to file my US taxes | 22:11 |
| ds3 | and that double press to lock the screen app | 22:11 |
| konttori | slingr: 900 MHz kernel ;) | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to figure out if the numbers i need are 1.1 and 2.1 | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i think they are | 22:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | 1.1 seems to be income (before taxes?) and 2.1 seems to be taxes (assuming no changes are required) | 22:11 |
| slingr | konttori.. overclocking the cpu? | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | slingr: it has issues - it is documented to shorten the life by the cpu maker | 22:12 |
| slingr | oi | 22:13 |
| slingr | well i'm fairly happy with the speed as is | 22:13 |
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| noobmonk3y | slingr, healthcheck ;) hehe | 22:13 |
| konttori | slingr: yeah. well, it makes device fly. especially good for browser and flash | 22:14 |
| konttori | and emulators. | 22:14 |
| trumee | is it possible to 1) copy paste from conversations, 2) get to a previous message in conversations? | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | desktop command execution widget, gnu utils | 22:14 |
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| red | timeless_mbp: doh, cant help with that - but surely you got ppl at your workplace who have experience of that? | 22:15 |
| marcusm | trumee: You get an IM-like overview. | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | red: today's the 12th | 22:15 |
| timeless_mbp | i have to file my taxes by the 15th :) | 22:15 |
| marcusm | trumee: So if you want to view a previous sms, just scroll a tad up. | 22:15 |
| trumee | marcusm: i want press the UP key and get one of my previous messages. | 22:15 |
| red | i see | 22:15 |
| trumee | marcusm: no, i want it in the input box | 22:15 |
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| marcusm | trumee: Aha, well. I have not seen such feature, but after using XChat/terminal a lot on my desktop, I'd love such feature. | 22:16 |
| RST38h | konttori: Won't it shorten device's lifespan though? | 22:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | marcusm: xchat does that on device too. :) | 22:16 |
| trumee | marcusm: hmm. most IM programs have that. comes in very handy. | 22:16 |
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| marcusm | SpeedEvil: Indeed, but not in text messages etc (: Would love that. | 22:17 |
| marcusm | trumee: Indeed. | 22:17 |
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| konttori | RST38h: I can't comment, as I'm on daddy month and cannot ask from experts, I'm only saying this as a normal geek / hacker. | 22:17 |
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| trumee | well. this is the price we have to pay for a closed app :( | 22:17 |
| RST38h | ah, congratulations btw =) | 22:17 |
| konttori | thanks. She turns one tomorrow. | 22:18 |
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| trumee | ah, copy paste is possible in conversations. It works like in the browser, using the stylus and drag from left of the screen | 22:21 |
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| RST38h | no wonder, given that conversations use web engine | 22:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: well, some browser engine derivatives intentionally break/disable such things | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but yes | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | conversations chose not to break that :) | 22:25 |
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| squidd | any idea if they gonna implement same kind of zooming to image viewer that is already in microb | 22:25 |
| timeless_mbp | squidd: that seems unlikely | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | officially microb is not the platform toolkit | 22:26 |
| squidd | i see | 22:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | for harmattan the platform is Qt, WebKit, DUI | 22:26 |
| timeless_mbp | give or take | 22:26 |
| V13 | lol | 22:27 |
| V13 | "give gtk, take qt" :-P | 22:27 |
| RST38h | and microb is supposed to die off? | 22:27 |
| V13 | webkit 2.0 is not ported to linux yet.. | 22:27 |
| V13 | does this ring any bells ? | 22:27 |
| squidd | kinda pitty if it dies. best browser in mobile so far imho | 22:28 |
| squidd | o/c there can always be better :P | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: i haven't seen an official story | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | however microb's advantages over firefox for mobile are supposed to disappear w/ time | 22:29 |
| squidd | firefox is long way from microb | 22:29 |
| V13 | i mean webkit 3.0 | 22:29 |
| squidd | atleast in speed | 22:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | microb 2's big advantage was process separation | 22:29 |
| * RST38h cackles nervously at the mention of firefox for mobile | 22:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | e10s is fairly close to ready for at least oopp | 22:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure when it'll be ready for content areas, but... | 22:30 |
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| spencer | i can't get the proxy when i call dbus_g_proxy_new_for_name, and the GError object returned NULL.. can anyone help? | 22:30 |
| V13 | "A new major revision of the WebKit rendering engine has been posted by | 22:31 |
| V13 | Apple. "WebKit2 is designed from the ground up to support a split | 22:31 |
| V13 | process model, where the web content (JavaScript, HTML, layout, etc) | 22:31 |
| V13 | lives in a separate process. This model is similar to what Google Chrome | 22:31 |
| V13 | offers, with the major difference being that we have built the process | 22:31 |
| V13 | split model directly into the framework, allowing other clients to use | 22:31 |
| V13 | it." Unfortunately, it lacks a Linux port at the moment, but one assumes that can be fixed." | 22:31 |
| V13 | arg,, sorry for the multi-line! :( | 22:31 |
| * marcusm pats V13 | 22:31 | |
| * V13 slaps himself with a large trut | 22:32 | |
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| * V13 buys an iphone | 22:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | V13: "not my problem" | 22:32 |
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| * V13 learned his lesson.. punishment was heavy... | 22:32 | |
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| Shapeshifter | V13: huh. no linux support for a webkit browser version? | 22:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah apple. | 22:33 |
| * Shapeshifter rolls his eyes | 22:33 | |
| V13 | not yet... i suppose qt folks will have to port it themselves... maybe... | 22:34 |
| V13 | off-topic [announce] [fyi] new game.. silly, fast and no-brainer... good for wasting a couple of minutes: "wok": http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/wok/1.0-3/ | 22:35 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm how does the "popular" apps part work in maemo downloads? | 22:36 |
| ds3 | give me netfront and throw out microb | 22:36 |
| noobmonk3y | have been getting 1/2k downloads a day and not anywhere near being popular ;( | 22:36 |
| lcuk | v13 so the aim of the game is to put your balls into a wok | 22:37 |
| V13 | and throw them | 22:37 |
| lcuk | can i ask, is it a hot wok? | 22:37 |
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| V13 | :) | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | its not offtopic tho :) | 22:37 |
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| lcuk | always pleased to see new titles | 22:37 |
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| SWFu64 | Anyone get the chromium update to working in the application manager? | 22:38 |
| SWFu64 | It fails for me | 22:38 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 22:41 |
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| marcusm | Heya, embedded. | 22:44 |
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| embedded | Hi marcusm | 22:47 |
| konttori | V13: any video / screenshots? | 22:48 |
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| V13 | of what ? | 22:49 |
| V13 | of the game? | 22:49 |
| lardman | jacekowski: You're the Chromium chap aren't you? | 22:50 |
| noobmonk3y | if anyone else has updated healthcheck to the latest devel version can they confirm the icon has re-appeared please? :D | 22:52 |
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| n900evil | lardman: shine a light on him, and see. | 22:56 |
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| V13 | is it possible to test portrait mode on SDK ? | 23:00 |
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| lcuk | turn your monitor on its side | 23:01 |
| V13 | :) | 23:01 |
| lardman | n900evil: might dazzle me ;) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware of this? http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html - awesome. matan did a pretty good mod there | 23:01 |
| V13 | is the app supposed to turn or it needs any dbus magic ? | 23:01 |
| * lardman goes to grab some food + vino, bbiab | 23:02 | |
| marcusm | lcuk: Shouldn't it be the PC? | 23:02 |
| lcuk | marcusm, good point | 23:02 |
| marcusm | lcuk: We wouldn't want him to look stupid, you know. | 23:02 |
| mece | I like it that chromium on n900 completely owns googles own phone on googles own test :D | 23:03 |
| mece | makes me all warm inside. | 23:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | mece: Are you perhaps overclocking - leading the the warm feeling? | 23:04 |
| mece | no I'm not | 23:04 |
| lardman | it needs drag functionality | 23:04 |
| lardman | and is a bit slow on the rendering, but once rendered is bloody fast | 23:04 |
| mece | v3 results: http://twitpic.com/1f5kvu | 23:05 |
| mece | v5 results: http://twitpic.com/1f5fdu | 23:05 |
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| lardman | actually it's not slow rendering, but rather insists on rendering everything before becoming responsive | 23:05 |
| * lardman goes back to the oven | 23:05 | |
| mece | lardman, yeah, it's annoying. | 23:05 |
| mece | the competition: http://static.arstechnica.com/wifi-ipad-review/ipad-benchmarks2.002.png | 23:06 |
| Shapeshifter | what kind of comparison is that | 23:06 |
| Shapeshifter | are we comparing shopping trolleys to road trains now? | 23:06 |
| mece | javascript | 23:06 |
| mece | wot? | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | iphone and eeepc on the same chart? | 23:08 |
| mece | eeepc is for reference- | 23:09 |
| mece | just look at nexus iphone ipad and n900 chrome. | 23:09 |
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| mece | it will make you smile., | 23:09 |
| mece | my n900 got 133 and 128. | 23:09 |
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| mece | not overclocked. | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: where's your autoresponder for ".*overclock.*" ? | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | lol | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | All talk and no action? | 23:11 |
| GAN900 | I mean, come on, I'm a /community/ guy. :P | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, some folks attach that label to me as well ;-D | 23:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | mece: I got 168 just now | 23:14 |
| Shapeshifter | So now I'm supposed to smile? | 23:14 |
| mece | well the nexus got 63, so yeah. | 23:14 |
| mece | your n900 beat the crap out of googles own phone in googles own test. | 23:15 |
| Shapeshifter | well in any case, the chromium port for the n900 is quite nice, but it's just a dirty port, nothing more. In badly need for kinetic scrolling! | 23:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer has withdrawal syndrome from 1h of ssh to his N900 a few hours ago. Now it's at Nokia, to fix | 23:15 | |
| mece | yep yep | 23:15 |
| ds3 | what did you break, DocScrutinizer? | 23:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | mece: but still, what does it matter? what matters is only the *feeling* of speed and smoothness | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably the friffin main dlat plastic cable to connect the LCD had a trace broken | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin* | 23:16 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: sad to hear :( | 23:17 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, well it feels really really fast once a page is loaded imo. But it's not comfortable to use, so I use microb. | 23:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | mece: well scrolling isn't smooth | 23:17 |
| mece | it isn't? | 23:17 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: any idea how it broke? | 23:17 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: well I got used to the n900 scrolling performance, but it's *not* what I'd call smooth. This is plain personal preference. I just like smooth stuff. | 23:18 |
| Shapeshifter | like furry little kittens | 23:18 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's kinda ridiculous when your device works like a charm, but you can't use it because screen is black. I'm not *that* good in working blind without feedback | 23:18 |
| ds3 | VNCserver! | 23:19 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: use the force ! | 23:19 |
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| mece | I put a cursor on my n900 to aid use of x11vnc. Haven't remembered to actually try it. The cursor is nice though. | 23:22 |
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| embedded | http://www.nokioteca.net/home/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=177787&view=findpost&p=1488332 :) | 23:25 |
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| V13 | wtf!!! | 23:28 |
| V13 | you took n900 on another dimension :) | 23:29 |
| microlith | scary | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Overclocking that way is complex. | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | (with a large imaginary component) | 23:31 |
| anvith3 | how do i restart the dbus service on my Nokia N810 NIT | 23:31 |
| V13 | I believe this is the first mobile phone running at 1.7GHz | 23:32 |
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| dmj726_n900 | hmm...clutter might make an excellent base for making 2D and 2.5D games. | 23:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, you did send it back to Nokia? | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | so.. how can one copy 12GBs from one linux device to the other without a hard disk | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: rsync | 23:33 |
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| V13 | try sftp | 23:33 |
| V13 | or scp | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I backed up my 16G laptop / with rsync | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | worked well | 23:33 |
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| anvith3 | how do i restart the dbus service on my Nokia N810 NIT | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | V13, that would take time | 23:34 |
| noobmonk3y | reboot? :D | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, rsync? | 23:34 |
| V13 | anvith3: I believe there are two dbuses... one system and one user. The system dbus restarts most probably as /etc/init.d/dbus restart | 23:34 |
| * MohammadAG googles it | 23:34 | |
| V13 | the user dbus is kill & restart but it may cause problems (e.g require rebot) | 23:34 |
| V13 | why do you want to restart it ? | 23:34 |
| V13 | MohammadAG: you want one file or many ? | 23:34 |
| E0x | MohammadAG: nfs | 23:34 |
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| E0x | you share the folder where the file are and mount it using nfs | 23:35 |
| E0x | in the linuxbox-B | 23:35 |
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| V13 | i no way is nfs faster that a tcp transfer | 23:36 |
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| V13 | even if it has compression | 23:36 |
| anvith3 | @V13 i have sshed into the device in root login and tryin to run a python script which invokes another python script which inturn is accessing an application. i have created a .service file. it's on the lines of the libosso RPC example. | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: repair shop | 23:36 |
| E0x | V13: i not mean copy the whole 12Gb | 23:36 |
| V13 | oh.. ok | 23:37 |
| anvith3 | the manual says to restart the app framework to restart the dbus daemon | 23:37 |
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| anvith3 | but did not say how to do it on the device | 23:37 |
| anvith3 | V13: /etc/init.d/dbus restart throws error run-parts: unrecognized option `--reverse' | 23:38 |
| anvith3 | BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) multi-call binary | 23:38 |
| anvith3 | Usage: run-parts [-t] [-l] [-a ARG] [-u MASK] DIRECTORY | 23:38 |
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| V13 | dunno... perhaps there is dbus reload ? | 23:38 |
| anvith3 | hmm | 23:38 |
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| ghostcube_maemo | cute explorer update fails cause of missing qt libs :) | 23:39 |
| anvith3 | there is a force-reload option | 23:40 |
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| anvith3 | but it throws the same error | 23:40 |
| V13 | perhaps killall dbus-daemon; sleep 1 ; dbus-daemon --system& ? | 23:41 |
| V13 | no! | 23:41 |
| V13 | wait! | 23:41 |
| anvith3 | :) | 23:41 |
| V13 | this will kill the user's dbus as well | 23:41 |
| V13 | ad I see that the system dbus is started as another user | 23:41 |
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| frals | lizardo: cheers, will test it when i get home again :) | 23:42 |
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| V13 | su -c "killall dbus-daemon ; sleep 1 ; /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system" - messagebus | 23:42 |
| V13 | could work | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | killing dbus seems to reboot the system | 23:43 |
| V13 | oh... | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | yeah | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | i found out the hard way | 23:44 |
| V13 | sry :) | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | :P | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | i just tried to run-parts | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | which actually runs all the scripts in a directory | 23:44 |
| anvith3 | on the /etc/init.d directory | 23:45 |
| anvith3 | i forgot that it also has the kill and reboot and shutdown scripts | 23:45 |
| anvith3 | silly me | 23:45 |
| anvith3 | :D | 23:45 |
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| MohammadAG | V13, a whole 12GBs of files | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | Scratchbox | 23:46 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: compress it | 23:49 |
| E0x | can save a lot of space | 23:49 |
| E0x | and the transport it | 23:49 |
| V13 | sftp -C | 23:50 |
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| anvith3 | i tried rebooting the device but the .service file is not getting registered . how do i check if the .service file is registered with dbus? | 23:52 |
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| anvith3 | everything works in scratch box | 23:53 |
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