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| noobmonk3y_ | it wont be hugely far off though? | 00:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | microlith: got "switch to wlan when available" active? | 00:03 |
| smhar | noobmonk3y_, so a 200MB plan will give me around 5 hours only?! | 00:04 |
| noobmonk3y_ | probably a little more, but wouldn't guess a huge amount more. | 00:04 |
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| smhar | that sucks.. it is like 1 day usage.. or less | 00:04 |
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| asj | II have 300mb/mo | 00:05 |
| smhar | for more than $50/month and this is the best offer | 00:05 |
| PhonicUK | is there any reason why i shouldn't install GCC directly on my n900 itself? | 00:05 |
| asj | and I use <150mb on most months, but I have wifi at home | 00:06 |
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| PhonicUK | how much does 3G data cost in the US? | 00:07 |
| PhonicUK | i.e. how much would you expect to pay for 3GB/mo of data? | 00:07 |
| asj | when I left the US, prepaid data was $20/100mb. On a plan 5gigs/mo is $15 | 00:07 |
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| smhar | asj, I travel between 2 adjacent countries every day.. as I live in one and work in the other :-).. I though that I could just use on sim card and make my main contact numer a skype one. | 00:07 |
| PhonicUK | sounds about right then on a plan | 00:08 |
| PhonicUK | here 3GB/Mo is £5 (Around $7.50) | 00:08 |
| asj | smhar: Do SIP, it's better than skype, for both data and bat useage | 00:08 |
| PhonicUK | no VoIP is allowed over it though | 00:08 |
| asj | (and voice quality) | 00:08 |
| smhar | I want to use it mainly for voice.. what is SIP? | 00:09 |
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| asj | smhar: it's a way of doing voip | 00:11 |
| asj | smhar: natively supported on the n900 | 00:11 |
| PhonicUK | Skype supports SIP clients IIRC | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | and standardized | 00:12 |
| asj | PhonicUK: no | 00:12 |
| adisbladis | Skype sucks bigtime and is non-free iirc | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | exactly | 00:12 |
| PhonicUK | http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/business/products/pbx-systems/sip/ | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | so what? | 00:13 |
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| asj | blhem plus a lot of voip companies are cheaper | 00:14 |
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| asj | we pay $2/mo for a US number | 00:14 |
| asj | US did that is | 00:14 |
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| MohammadAG | Ok need some confirmation here | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, if you can help please do :) | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | has anyone tried an eMMC reflash then a FIASCO one? | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | I pay exactly 0 for landline number and inbound calls. sipgate.de | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | (which was what was written in the original wiki when the device was released) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: help on what? | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | confirming something | 00:18 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, I fixed the eMMC reflash instructions, they were VERY inconsistent. | 00:18 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=596854&postcount=11 | 00:20 |
| E0x | somebody using mugen extended battery in yours n900 ? | 00:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: has one | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: | 00:22 |
| E0x | so ? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: sorry it's really annoying to use tmo in a pub on N810 | 00:23 |
| E0x | worth buy it ? | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, ah no problem, thanks though | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | E0x: I have no idea - he seemed to be having some issues with it | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: ping me later | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | Well if you want longer battery life, don't mind the size, and don't use microsd | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer-8, I think I found it, the wiki was updated for PR1.2 and it's causing some inconsistency issues | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | I'm rewriting that page. gonna take time, but oh well | 00:25 |
| E0x | with heavey use of n900 how long the battery still ? | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: depends how you define havy. | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: you can flatten the battery in 2.5 hours if you try. | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | tip: start the phone cold, if you reboot or start it when it's warm with the mugen battery, the battery meter becomes useless | 00:26 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: heavy normal use | 00:26 |
| E0x | not running a perl fork | 00:26 |
| E0x | on it | 00:26 |
| E0x | :P | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: streaming video over 3G for example - 2h or so | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: Coicidentally. | 00:26 |
| E0x | ok | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. | 00:26 |
| E0x | ok , thx | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | In idle on wifi, with powersaving wifi - able to be ssh'd into and called on the cell - it gets ~7-9mA or so. So >100h 'idle' | 00:27 |
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| * MohammadAG flattened it in 2 hours today | 00:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | maybe more like 150, being optimistic. | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG | Do I get a prize :P | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I got 95-something hours with idle, wifi, beacon 100ms, dtim 5, 3g phone (idle) | 00:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'active' - with display on and doing stuff - is ~100mA or so at moderate brightness. | 00:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Maybe 12h reading books say. | 00:29 |
| E0x | ok , thx guys for all i will now go to buy my n900 | 00:29 |
| E0x | wish me luck | 00:30 |
| E0x | :D | 00:30 |
| E0x | i let this away here | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally haven't regretted getting n900 for a moment. | 00:30 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: what features on the N900 advertted the regret? | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | umm. | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | err | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The first awesome moment for me came when I realised my laptop hd was failing. | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | And that my external HD PSU had died. | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And that I could simply rsync / to the phone | 00:31 |
| ds3 | small HD? | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | No, I keep / at ~16G | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | big phone XP | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | /data is the rest of the disk | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And I don't much care if that goes away | 00:32 |
| ds3 | nifty... but this goes on the eMMC not on the microSD, right? | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I only have a 1G microSD in at the moment | 00:33 |
| ds3 | but could you have exported the microSD over USB? | 00:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | in principle - but why? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it is by default | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | on mass storage mode | 00:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:34 |
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| zeq | I was here earlier mentioning openvpn, if anybody replied I missed it due to connectivity issues. | 00:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't fiddled with the mmc mounting stuff - I just shrunk mydocs to 2G, added a data partition also, and mounted that early in init. | 00:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | so plugging in only shows the 2G | 00:35 |
| ds3 | I was just wondering... it seems the mass storage mode only exports the eMMC | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it'll show the uSD as well | 00:37 |
| PhonicUK | anyone here got Qt Creator to connect to their N900 properly? | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | iirc | 00:37 |
| PhonicUK | its not behaving for me :\ | 00:37 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: interesting story... I am still find the N900 to be a zero sum game :/ | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: Sorry. What's causing problems for you? | 00:38 |
| wired | i still have an issue with qt apps launched from my chroot... i can't type in them :( | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I should perhaps mention, I have made one phone call with it so far. | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Text however - I've used way more than I expected. | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Perhaps 12. | 00:39 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: just little things... find one good thing then something else offsets it | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | ds3: I can only say that you must be totally insane. The n900 is awesome! | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: More seriously, sorry it's not working for you. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess I'm not using the bits considered by some to be broken. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ds3: hardware or software annoyances? | 00:51 |
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| ds3 | SpeedEvil: software... I am losing functionality relative to the N800 | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | well, N900 is for users who want to learn, usually reconfigure their desktop so much nobody else can use it, and are willing to augment the good things in maemo and fix the bits they don't lie. If yu're looking for adevice with a excellent ootb enduser experience, then N900 is<ät for you. get an iphone | 00:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer-8: *that* should be printed on the box sold by nokia :) | 00:55 |
| ppriyank | quick question for anyone that has used eSpeakCaller app. | 00:55 |
| ppriyank | does my phone have to be on ringer in order the name to be heard? | 00:55 |
| zeq | I actually feel, with the exception of a few details, my user experience has been better than I expected. For the first of its type, I think it is in pretty good shape. | 00:56 |
| ppriyank | or does it work even if the phone is on silent (w/ vibrate on)? | 00:56 |
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| zeq | maybe that's because my background is hacking on the Zaurus though! ;) | 00:56 |
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| ppriyank | quick question for anyone that has used eSpeakCaller app...does my phone have to be on ringer in order the name to be heard? or does it work even if the phone is on silent (w/ vibrate on)? | 00:57 |
| ppriyank | quick question for anyone that has used eSpeakCaller app...does my phone have to be on ringer in order the name to be heard? or does it work even if the phone is on silent (w/ vibrate on)? | 00:57 |
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| ppriyank | quick question for anyone that has used eSpeakCaller app...does my phone have to be on ringer in order the name to be heard? or does it work even if the phone is on silent (w/ vibrate on)? | 00:58 |
| ppriyank | (just tryin to get some attention) :D | 00:58 |
| haltdef | die in a fire | 00:59 |
| cure` | what he said | 01:01 |
| ppriyank | huh? | 01:02 |
| ppriyank | i should die in fire? | 01:02 |
| zeq | etiquette | 01:02 |
| haltdef | yes. slowly but get to it now | 01:02 |
| ppriyank | i think i'm meant to die in water not in fire :P | 01:02 |
| haltdef | very well, die in boiling water | 01:02 |
| kynky | start by rubbing your hands together | 01:02 |
| haltdef | your call | 01:02 |
| ppriyank | haha | 01:03 |
| ppriyank | if i'm gonna die, then why must i suffer? | 01:03 |
| ppriyank | jeez...i'm dying... | 01:03 |
| ppriyank | atleast let me die w/o pain. :( | 01:03 |
| ppriyank | that's HARSH! | 01:03 |
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| ppriyank | anyways...back to the point...i'm guessin either nobody here has espeakcaller, or nobody wants to help my poor soul :( | 01:04 |
| haltdef | not after that performance they won't | 01:04 |
| ppriyank | wat performance/ | 01:04 |
| ppriyank | ?* | 01:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | yours | 01:05 |
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| ppriyank | i mean...what did i do/say that was sooo bad? | 01:07 |
| ppriyank | i just asked a question | 01:07 |
| haltdef | the same one, multiple times quickly | 01:08 |
| haltdef | very douchey | 01:08 |
| ppriyank | oh... | 01:09 |
| ppriyank | well i apologize for that...i was just making sure that somebody reads it | 01:09 |
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| ppriyank | and if anyone has any input on it...cud share with me | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | meh, black QWERTY ass has a broken clip :/ | 01:11 |
| Vanadis__ | good morning | 01:12 |
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| Vanadis__ | i tried to update PSX4All, but i said there were some problems | 01:13 |
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| Vanadis__ | basically, how do i update "libhildon1" and "libhildonmime0" | 01:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | yes. | 01:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Wait for PR 1.2 | 01:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It will fix it. | 01:13 |
| Vanadis__ | kthx | 01:13 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | will it? | 01:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | This is a known issue. | 01:13 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Throw some stones at Nokia for delaying so much. | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: or is this just one of your machiavellic plans to put pressure on Nokia? | 01:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: in the SDK, it fixes the issue | 01:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: well, it is one of my machiavellic plans but that doesn't make it invalid! :D | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | hehehe | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: black ass with brolen clip?? o.O | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: don't ask | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | s/ass/assy/ LOL | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | or should I say, don't assk? | 01:15 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: regexp won't save you now! | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I gotta go to work... Don't want to, but well. | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | ~regexp | 01:15 |
| infobot | hmm... regexp is [regexp] a regular expression. It is widly used in UN*X for matching strings. or see man pages regex(7) and regex(3) or a common theological proof for the existence of evil, or a subroutine in Njaard (see njaard), or man perlre | 01:15 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | ~devil | 01:16 |
| infobot | <Kathie Lee Gifford> I've come for crashanddie's sole | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | ~satan | 01:16 |
| infobot | methinks satan is in a7r's pants | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | ~sunday | 01:16 |
| infobot | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | ~church | 01:16 |
| infobot | from memory, church is a good thing i think, i just cant handle it right now | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | so true | 01:16 |
| javispedro | can we replace #debian with tmo here? please! please! | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what's wrong with your soles? | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: nope | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: don't forget, this bot is in multiple thousand channels | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: at least that, maybe millions even! | 01:17 |
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| javispedro | poor bot | 01:17 |
| crashanddie | javispedro: no podeu saber el dificil que es per infobot | 01:19 |
| javispedro | nice ca_ES | 01:20 |
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| * ShadowJK ponders | 01:20 | |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if I've offended the mugen battery somehow, these numbers aren't adding up :D | 01:20 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: yes, but nothing that a massave and candlelit bubblebath won't fix. | 01:21 |
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| crashanddie | s/ave/age/ | 01:21 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: ShadowJK: yes, but nothing that a massage and candlelit bubblebath won't fix. | 01:21 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess the other option is that the battery's capacity is somewhat overstated :) | 01:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | I tried a solution involving foil applied to bath, and an induction cooker. | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It did not succeed | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: do a test. Should be simple, no? | 01:23 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, tests take time :P | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | they won't take longer tha 1h, when done at 1C :-P | 01:24 |
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| ShadowJK | yesterday I did it manually with readings every minute and a spreadsheet | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I rather thought about using a 2V-LDO and a 1R 2W resistor, and discarge the bat directly while watching the voltage every 5min | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | awk '{tot+=$5;count++}END{print tot/count,tot/720}' bqlog | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | ok... so does anyone know where to get original nokia parts? | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | yeah awk was faster than OCRing voltage meters :) | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | need a new QWERTY ASSY | 01:30 |
| javispedro | what happened to your current ass? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: me too | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: busted on hot chili | 01:32 |
| javispedro | and why the replacement one has to be qwerty? why not an azerty ass? | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: hmm | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yours broke? | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: above says 890mAh for my last discharge. | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's the cheapest piece of plastic in the N900 :/ | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | oops - 800 | 01:34 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: You could change RS= until the values are nicer :) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what part exactly are you talking bout? the qwerty is the keycaps mat. I'd like to get a qwerty instead of qwertzu | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: is RS based on anything meaningful - or is ti a guess? | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the QWERTY ASSY is the frame around it | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | that's what Nokia call it (look at the service manual) | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | calls* | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | It's a guess. 31 made ILMD closest to 1320, but 31 looked ugly so I made it 30 ;P | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm that silly frame | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: So measuring Ibatt directly is probably a good plan | 01:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it started loosening up lately, so I had a check and it seems it has been broken somehow | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | Speedevil: interestingly if I take 1320/800 * current_accumulated_capacity I arrive at the promised 2400 | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | (no I didn't break it when I checked, it wasn't there when I lefted it up slightly | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: with a multimeter? yeah | 01:38 |
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| haltdef | oh yes, that extended battery's a bad idea for now then? :p | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, this one, but the site's out of stock http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-COVER-ASSY-253145- | 01:38 |
| iSheep | i-baaaaah | 01:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: NAC: 1190 mAh CACD: 1190 mAh CACT: 1190 mAh - this is the integrated what it thinks is the battery capaciry - but has not stored as last measured? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yep, also for decent qwerty keycaps mats | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, on full charge NAC is set to LMD | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I assume the part that broke off blocked your vib-excenter | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG | It was there before | 01:40 |
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| MohammadAG | well it fell out from the N900 now | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | and NAC can never go higher than LMD | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually iirc the middle front latch is exactly where the vib excenter is located | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: ah - so that means it's ~100mAh down from what it thinks | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: thinks is max | 01:41 |
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| apol | I have my n900 device connected to internet through usb networking. is there any way I could use it as if it was connected? i keep getting this: "connect to wifi" dialog that doesn't let me use it | 01:43 |
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| javispedro | libicd-network-usb might help, but I never used it. | 01:44 |
| javispedro | (or libicd-network-dummy, which doesn't try to be as smart) | 01:45 |
| alicemirror | Hi, I think that the problem is that you have also active wifi, so the primary route the program tries is to search the connection via wifi. | 01:45 |
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| alicemirror | I saw that recently in maemo extras there is a small control panel application that give you the opportunity to power off wifi. | 01:45 |
| apol | javispedro: I'll check | 01:46 |
| alicemirror | else, before to try to install new apps you can try to configure wifi settings (in applicaton settings, advanced) not to try to connect if there is no connection. | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: attach a decent lab-PSU to battery posts, 3V8, with ampmeter. Then check real current vs bq27200 readings | 01:47 |
| alicemirror | I use this method when I need no wifi connection for some kind of test while I'm working on the device and there is my wifi active. | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: or pester Stskeeps to ask at Nokia what value those both shunts really are | 01:47 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, was that 800 from full to shutdown? | 01:47 |
| javispedro | apol: http://maemo.gitorious.org/icd2-network-modules/libicd-network-usb/blobs/master/README | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | apol: package is "libicd-network-usb" in extras-devel. | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yues | 01:48 |
| apol | hmmm | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: integrating scriptwise | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | the only psu I have is atx with broken +5V :) | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yeah - can do that. | 01:49 |
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| apol | javispedro: I installed that, what now :P | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I suggest to switch backlight to always on, and not to enable modem/wifi, to keep power consumption at a steady state | 01:53 |
| javispedro | apol: didn't use it, but check http://maemo.gitorious.org/icd2-network-modules/libicd-network-usb/blobs/master/README. After setting up the IAP in gconf, use the "internet" control panel applet to setup IP configuration options, etc. | 01:54 |
| apol | oh k | 01:54 |
| apol | l'll check | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I something like that, yes. | 01:54 |
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| javispedro | apol: then repeat the gconf step again (since he says the system UI seems to overwrite the network_type with WLAN...) | 01:55 |
| * MohammadAG_ looks at the HP slate leak and says Goodbye apple | 01:55 | |
| MohammadAG_ | if anyone is interested http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/ | 01:56 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: if the capacitive pen they ship is any good (precise), I concur. | 01:57 |
| Kegetys | I wonder if it has an IPS screen as well | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | Oh God, the world is doomed | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/scottevest-debuts-ipad-compatible-clothing-line-the-world-cri/ | 01:57 |
| iSheep | what is the duration of the battery of the (baaaah) iPad? | 01:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | who changes their whole product line so that an iPad would fit in a "pocket" | 01:57 |
| microlith | iSheep: shocking long, apparently | 01:58 |
| javispedro | 12 hours is not shocking long.. | 01:58 |
| javispedro | there's atom netbooks out there with more than that... | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | RAM not disclosed... | 01:58 |
| microlith | while playing video, music, etc? | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | the Nokia booklet 3G has a 16 hour battery I think | 01:58 |
| microlith | javispedro: show me even one that doesn't weigh more than 1kg | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | and that runs Windows 7 | 01:59 |
| microlith | atom is shit for power efficiency | 01:59 |
| javispedro | microlith: touché -- but this thing also weighs more than 0.6kg | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, would be interesting to rerun discharge with RS=20 | 01:59 |
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| microlith | javispedro: my aspire one weighs more than 1kg and that's with the 3-cell battery, if it lasts 2 hours I'm amzed | 01:59 |
| microlith | amazed* | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: surely that simply scales all the otuput readings | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 02:00 |
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| microlith | relative to the actual system board, the battery in the iPad is enormous | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | So is LMD==ILMD for you? | 02:01 |
| iSheep | why does intel suck so much on battery-efficient processors? | 02:01 |
| microlith | because they insist on shoehorning x86 into it | 02:02 |
| javispedro | tbh I'm not sure of that. | 02:02 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, i guess your logfile stops 5 secs before device shutdown, what's the last line? :) | 02:02 |
| javispedro | well I'm sure it costs them quite a bunch of die, but don't know if its the "deal breaker": | 02:03 |
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| ShadowJK | Well it's only as much die as an arm processor | 02:03 |
| ShadowJK | ;) | 02:04 |
| javispedro | ;P | 02:04 |
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| GeneralAntilles | It's tough to play catch-up on 20 years of power-efficiency experience. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 14:26 3253 36 36 -321 477 477 477 65535 89 292 0 | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Actually - ... | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: if you by any means find any alternative source for Nokia spare parts, please keep me informed | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | will do :) | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | ah ok | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ebay :P | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that agrees quite well - last discharge - 477 = calculated | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: hmm, last time I tried fleabay there wasn't anything | 02:06 |
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| ShadowJK | 800+477 = 1277, or ILMD + aging, more or less | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: yeah I'd expect that part to match :) | 02:07 |
| apol | ok, I couldn't make maemo ui not to spam me :P is there any way to sync exchange/email app through ssh? | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe Nokia's intention all along was to set ilmd to someething big and keep track of real capacity in software | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, lol I was just joking since every genuine part on there is fake | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | Or maybe they had no plan | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | besides | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Also - battery will only - AIUI - hit its stated cap held at 4200mV till taper | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | i've disconnected my n900 from charger about 96h ago | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: and that doesn't happen | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | and left it just idling for most of time | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | connected to jabber and etc. | 02:10 |
| javispedro | apol: if -usb didn't work, you might want to try the dumber one libicd-network-dummy, docs in https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_the_usb_networking_for_maemo_apps | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | and it still has about 10% charge left | 02:10 |
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| jacekowski | so it is possible to have 4-5 days idle on n900 | 02:11 |
| wired | is anyone using an OCd N900? | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah I'm only seeing 4.1 right now | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: on the flipside - battery longevity is a lot longer | 02:11 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | BP-4L/BP-5L all die so fast | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | pulse charged to 4.2 | 02:12 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wired, here | 02:19 |
| wired | MohammadAG_: at what mhz are you running it? are you happy with it in the longrun? | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, so do you have lab psu etc for figuring out RS? :-) | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | 825MHz, it'll kill my CPU faster, but the device is snappier | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | (interesting though, it runs at 13C when idling) | 02:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: 13c - read from where? | 02:21 |
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| wired | MohammadAG_: are there recorded cpu failures / problems after OCing? | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's only been there for less than a week | 02:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, sec, it's the sensor near the battery (not the CPU one but still gives approximate reading) | 02:22 |
| dmj726_n900 | I would think those would take weeks minimum to show up | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | wired: too early to tell | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:22 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...barring stupid high clocking | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | wired: you'd have to ask in 6-12 months, or in however long you'd want your n900 to live | 02:23 |
| wired | 800mhz indeed seems faster, BUT, 125mhz seems to make the device a bit slow for a few seconds until the cpu picks up the pace | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900-02-8:/sys# cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | 13 | 02:23 |
| dmj726_n900 | perhaps that's why nokia clocked it higher. | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | iirc 500 -> 600 drops expected lifetime by a factor of 2.. or was it factor of 10, I forget.. | 02:24 |
| javispedro | factor of 2 is correct for 3530 | 02:24 |
| javispedro | dunno about 3430 | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | ShadowJK, 550-600 is 5.7 years | 02:24 |
| wired | well i doubt i'll have it for more than a year, still :) | 02:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | 500 is 10 years | 02:24 |
| javispedro | again, for 3530 | 02:24 |
| javispedro | the 3430 seems like its "little" sister. you'll never know. | 02:24 |
| apol | javispedro: dummy worked :D | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't read 3430 manual yet | 02:25 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: doesn't appear in 3430 manual, but datasheet, and that requires NDA :( | 02:25 |
| wired | is there an easy way to ban the 125 mhz step? | 02:25 |
| javispedro | apol: :) | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | dunno, I might end up using it a very long time if Nokia does what rumours says it's going to do :) | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, compile a new kernel or use titan's | 02:25 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, actually someone posted link to 3430 earlier | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | cant remember if it was here in irc or on tmo | 02:26 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: datasheet? I posted a link to the manual a few hours ago | 02:26 |
| * wired googles | 02:26 | |
| ShadowJK | oh :) | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, it's in the repos | 02:27 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: agreed on the "I hope this gadget lasts enough" :) | 02:27 |
| javispedro | better lock for those part shops! | 02:27 |
| javispedro | *look | 02:27 |
| wired | oh nice | 02:27 |
| wired | it also has ext4 support and other nice stuff in it | 02:27 |
| wired | :) | 02:27 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah, next is supposedly still omap3, but capacitive, so I'm skipping that one.. Hope the one after that is omap4 and resistive :) | 02:28 |
| javispedro | wishful thinking :) | 02:28 |
| * javispedro ponders if they'll keep their promise of making it an omap3 and not an omap4 | 02:28 | |
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| microlith | omap4 devkits only just came out | 02:29 |
| ShadowJK | and beagleboard is still omap3, and mostly sold out | 02:29 |
| javispedro | yeah, but the part I didn't tell is that I doubt a 2010 release | 02:30 |
| * ShadowJK too :P | 02:30 | |
| wired | now.. if i only knew why qt apps from chroot won't accept kb input :( | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, do you have JoikuSpot? | 02:32 |
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| wired | no | 02:33 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wired, good, cause the kernel breaks the module needed :) | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | (for joikuspot) | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, maybe 20mOhm for RS.. | 02:35 |
| wired | hmm i see this kernel doesn't oc, can you soft-enable it somehow? | 02:35 |
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| wired | MohammadAG_: ? | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, it enables OC, but sets max at 600, that way you can OC, and if you don't want to you can you use it noramlly | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, reboot after installing | 02:41 |
| wired | ah so its in /proc or /sys? ( the max mhz ) | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=596056&postcount=115 | 02:41 |
| wired | excellent | 02:42 |
| wired | MohammadAG_: thanks a lot :) | 02:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wired, np | 02:42 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, iPhone may kick its ass if it's still OMAP4 | 02:45 |
| javispedro | iphone will be based on the apple a69 processor that nobody will know what's based on ;P | 02:46 |
| javispedro | rumor has that it will be based on fairies powder | 02:47 |
| wired | lol | 02:47 |
| wired | who cares | 02:47 |
| wired | :D | 02:47 |
| * wired updated to latest kernel | 02:47 | |
| MohammadAG_ | reboot :) | 02:47 |
| wired | did already :D | 02:48 |
| * MohammadAG_ wonders if infobot is open source | 02:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're aware there are such things like system termal mgmt and overtemperature sudden death of chips? | 02:49 |
| wired | hmm it rebooted itself | 02:49 |
| wired | fun | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: http://infobot.sourceforge.net/download.html | 02:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | do omap chips not have throttling or shut down when over a certain temperature? | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks! | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: you tell us :-P | 02:51 |
| wired | very nice, with 250mhz as the lowest stepping things are much snappier | 02:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders which weirdo is publishing a 1GHz kernel without mentioning this topic | 02:52 | |
| dmj726_n900 | I don't know the details...modern x86 chips have both | 02:52 |
| wired | is anyone using Qt apps from within a chroot? | 02:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer also remembers explicit warnings from Nokia NOT to overclock | 02:53 | |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I remember seeing a post about "Igor" warning that it'll fry | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | not sure who Igor is though | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | actually they warned against locking the device to 550 or 600 MHz | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, ack | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I remember as well, though only hearsay | 02:55 |
| dmj726_n900 | I'm not planning to overclock, since warnings might show up a few weeks down the line. | 02:55 |
| ShadowJK | "fry" doesn't mean overheat btw, so all this staring at temperatures and concluding it's fine is silly | 02:55 |
| javispedro | Igor Stoppa is "Nokia's engineer extraordinaire" | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | (means I got no quotable source) | 02:55 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ack again | 02:56 |
| javispedro | (didn't found the entire presentation :( ) | 02:56 |
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| javispedro | only a possibly out of context slide :( | 02:56 |
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| dmj726_n900 | perhaps, locking it there disables thermal throttling? | 02:56 |
| dmj726_n900 | though I would hope throttling was built into hardware | 02:57 |
| javispedro | the hardware _has_ throttling, still, what use is the immediate temperature? | 02:57 |
| ShadowJK | it's not about thermal throttling | 02:57 |
| javispedro | s/immediate/current | 02:57 |
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| dmj726_n900 | electron migration? | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | so anyone have any half-decent wardriving KML generator? <.< | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | there's two for Kismet, but cx3110x doesn't provide info they need | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n900: theres datasheets on that. IF there were hw throttling, do you think Igor would warn about 'damage of CPU'? | 03:07 |
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| dmj726_n900 | depends | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, wait so if it rises to a high temp it wouldn't shut down? | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG; it's not a temperature related issue | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: it's electromigration - probaby. | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's things like hotspots on cpu chips. Mere avrg temperatue won't help | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: briefly - the tiny fine wires in the CPU are so fine that they 'flow' along the direction of the current - as electrons bounce into them as they flow. | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | This fractures them eventually | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's also - see SpeedEvil - electron induced migration of metal ions into the P/N semiconductor area | 03:10 |
| Venomrush | anyone here wanna try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=597086 | 03:10 |
| Venomrush | oh does PR1.1.1 added installing .deb back? | 03:10 |
| Venomrush | in FM | 03:10 |
| microlith | no | 03:10 |
| javispedro | some update added installing .deb back in FM | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | think of it like a specal case of electrochromatography | 03:11 |
| javispedro | dunno it was 1.1.1 or 1.1 | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to. In the same way that I want to do many things I don't have time for. | 03:11 |
| microlith | oh, FM | 03:11 |
| Venomrush | gonna install the PR1.2 hildondesktop | 03:11 |
| microlith | yay randomly installing .debs | 03:11 |
| Venomrush | and hildonapplicationmanager now | 03:11 |
| javispedro | microlith: agreed, weird decision. | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | it was 3.2010 | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, don't | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | check my reply | 03:11 |
| Venomrush | i know for sure hildondesktop won't rape the device | 03:11 |
| microlith | Venomrush: have funreflashing | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, it will | 03:11 |
| Venomrush | cos of some bug i filed before | 03:11 |
| Venomrush | and was given a special 'unreleased' hildondesktop | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, again, you will reflash | 03:12 |
| Venomrush | xD | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | no really | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | check your thread to see why | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | it will break the metapackage needed for SSU | 03:12 |
| Venomrush | ye but i plan to flash to pr1.2 anyway | 03:12 |
| Venomrush | not OTA or SSu | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, you'll reflash to 1.1.1 first | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | :) | 03:13 |
| wired | do we have a solution for the wifi staying on draining battery in a few hours? | 03:13 |
| Venomrush | darn | 03:13 |
| Venomrush | wired, get WifiSwitcher | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | PR1.2 isn't coming out tomorrow, I doubt you're gonna keep the device rebooting for two weeks | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | ooh, 4150mV | 03:13 |
| wired | i hoped for something more automatic | 03:13 |
| Venomrush | i didnt say it was gonna be out tmr | 03:13 |
| Venomrush | from the date they uploaded PR1.1 files | 03:14 |
| Venomrush | to PR1.1 release | 03:14 |
| Venomrush | around 3.5 weeks | 03:14 |
| Venomrush | so | 03:14 |
| Venomrush | 3 weeks time until we get pr1.2 | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, it's not a rule :) | 03:15 |
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| jacekowski | pr1.2 out? | 03:15 |
| * SpeedEvil kills a kitten. | 03:15 | |
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| Venomrush | the packages are | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, I repeat, the packges were updated long ago | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | they just moved them from the SDK repos into the maemo ones | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | don't start rumors :) | 03:16 |
| jacekowski | where? | 03:16 |
| Venomrush | well i did specifcally say public maemo5 repo | 03:16 |
| Venomrush | :p | 03:16 |
| Venomrush | at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | like in normal repo | 03:17 |
| jacekowski | so i can do like a apt-get upgrade | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, you did notice | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, DON'T | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, the nokia-binaries can't be manually updated | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | you'll brick it, ask DocScrutinizer we had a bet about it | 03:17 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: why? | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh god | 03:18 |
| raster | boop | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, thanks for starting it all :( | 03:18 |
| iPeter- | Is there any way to run google chrome on Maemo 5? | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, you'll break your device | 03:18 |
| wired | iPeter-: it works from a chroot :) | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | iPeter-, not until Google releases the source or makes an armel package | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | wired, really? | 03:18 |
| wired | a gentoo chroot :) | 03:19 |
| raster | iPeter-: yes. compile it for arm and put the binaries etc. on your n900 | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | chrome is opensource | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | no that's not what I mean | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: how | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | ok thanks for the correction then | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, it will break the metapackage mp-fremantle-.... | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG_: how you can break an os by upgrading it? | 03:19 |
| jacekowski | that can be fixed | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | jacekowski, ok, upgrade it and tell me how the reflash goes | 03:19 |
| * MohammadAG_ hates stubborn people | 03:19 | |
| Venomrush | =)) | 03:19 |
| iPeter- | raster: Hmm, i am in category "not so hacker" so.. how i do this? | 03:20 |
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| Venomrush | is extras repo down? | 03:20 |
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| jacekowski | iPeter-: install sdk | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | iPeter-: build chromium | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | package it | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | no Venomrush | 03:20 |
| wired | actually pretty much everything works from my gentoo chroot | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | send it to official repo | 03:20 |
| jacekowski | wired: you have gentoo chroot on n900? | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | Venomrush, I advise you not to try this, I already did | 03:21 |
| wired | yeah | 03:21 |
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| jacekowski | how long did it took you to build bash? | 03:21 |
| wired | are you crazy? | 03:21 |
| wired | i build stuff on an i5 | 03:21 |
| raster | iPeter-: do what wired said - hope there is an arm build already in a debian repo and use a chroot | 03:21 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: This may sound noobish but.. sdk? To N900 or PC? | 03:21 |
| jacekowski | distcc? | 03:21 |
| wired | jacekowski: using a qemu-user chroot | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | iPeter-, the SDK is for a PC | 03:21 |
| raster | or any other chroot for that matter | 03:21 |
| jacekowski | wired: that's kinda slow | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | wired: i mean emulating arm on pc | 03:22 |
| raster | either that or what jacekowski said... sdk - compile things. it's self-serve if u want weird stuff like crhom on your n900 | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | wired: it's probably slower than native arm | 03:22 |
| wired | jacekowski: it is, but it is FAR better than melting my n900 :) | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | you can always crosscompile | 03:22 |
| wired | yes but packages tend to have bugs | 03:22 |
| jacekowski | which is quite easy with distcc | 03:22 |
| wired | when crosscompiled | 03:22 |
| raster | jacekowski: depends on the arm u are emulating and the x86 u have on your desktop :) | 03:22 |
| raster | it's surprising how slow arms can be at native compiling.... | 03:23 |
| wired | distcc does the configuring phase on the host device, | 03:23 |
| wired | thats NOT a good idea with the n900 | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: mooo | 03:23 |
| jacekowski | leave it over night | 03:23 |
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| jacekowski | besides, crosscompiling doesn't introduce bugs | 03:23 |
| jacekowski | if you do it correctly | 03:23 |
| wired | jacekowski: if you do it on another system completely it does unfortunately | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | i bootstrapped couple ARM devices | 03:24 |
| wired | many configure systems dont care about that and they fail | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | moo, indeed. | 03:24 |
| iPeter- | raster: Could you help me with this? | 03:24 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz!!! | 03:24 |
| wired | oh well, I just need to solve the problem i have with Qt now | 03:24 |
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| jacekowski | wired: that's why you do it from specialy prepared chroot | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | wired: Use fire. Or explosives. | 03:25 |
| wired | lol | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 SpeedEvil | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 03:25 |
| wired | i can't type in any Qt textfield in apps started from my chroot | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | time to sleep | 03:25 |
| wired | and that only happens with Qt... sigh | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | use windows | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | uuuu | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | wine on n900 | 03:25 |
| wired | lmao | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | that would be nice | 03:26 |
| wired | id rather fix this bug thanks | 03:26 |
| wired | :P | 03:26 |
| raster | iPeter-: no timee. work to do. i sense a mountain of teaching to be done if u dont eeven know how to compile things, letalone use the maemo sdk (which is a bit of a pita as it's install is broken, and initial setup wrong, not to mention it having a 27852 step install proceedure and forget 1 thing along the way and... *poof* | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | and i think it is possible | 03:26 |
| iSheep | baaaaah | 03:26 |
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| jacekowski | wine has option to work with qemu to run app and than syscalls are run by wine outside of qemu | 03:26 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | iPeter-: you want to know the Maemo 5 SDK, is that it? | 03:27 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | *to learn | 03:27 |
| iPeter- | Could someone give a step by step guide what i need to get google chrome on my n900. Or somethin | 03:27 |
| iPeter- | ptl_demands_PR12: Compile google chrome to n900 :o | 03:27 |
| jacekowski | install sdk | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | i' | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | i'm using that prebuilt vm image | 03:28 |
| jacekowski | because i can run it easily at work on vmware cluster | 03:29 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: Well where i get this sdk etc.. i would use google if i would know more of sdk etc.. | 03:29 |
| raster | iPeter-: google | 03:30 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: winXP in qemu | 03:30 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: on n900? | 03:31 |
| jacekowski | have you tried it? | 03:31 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: Can i use VirtualBox for that? | 03:31 |
| jacekowski | iPeter-: yes | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: not me | 03:31 |
| jacekowski | any links? | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I read the blog of someone doing that, even doing macos on qemu on maemo on N900 -> 3h for first bootlog line | 03:32 |
| iPeter- | jacekowski: I do need this Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z? | 03:32 |
| jacekowski | yes | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no links, but was some wellknown person from here in IRC | 03:33 |
| jacekowski | it's about 10G after you extract it | 03:33 |
| wired | iPeter-: http://imagebin.org/91837 | 03:33 |
| iPeter- | wtif :o I want :E | 03:34 |
| iPeter- | wired: And how you got that? | 03:34 |
| raster | and if u dont have at least that much space on / - like many people (i partition /hme with the vast majority of my disk and / gets maybe 10g) | 03:34 |
| raster | you have to hack up the installer script | 03:34 |
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| wired | iPeter-: i have a chroot (gentoo in my case) where i installed it normally | 03:34 |
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| iPeter- | wired: Sounds cool but i dont really understand that :D | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | what about flash support in chrome? | 03:35 |
| hatseflats | evening everyone | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://www.computerbase.de/news/consumer_electronics/kommunikation/2010/februar/mac_os_x_nokia_n900/ | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | and can you make it go fullscreen? | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it says pearpc | 03:36 |
| wired | jacekowski: it could work, if i install all the necessary libraries - i did a quick test and there were a lot of missing libraries | 03:36 |
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| wired | DocScrutinizer: that thing took 1.5 hours to boot, no thanks :P | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it also says MacOS10.3 | 03:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Google Chrome running on the N900 - and not running on Android - could generate some bad press for Google. | 03:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | That would be nice. | 03:36 |
| raster | bah | 03:37 |
| hatseflats | can someone confirm this problem, when I leave my n810 connected to USB it doesn't charge, but stays on regardless leaking power over USB to whatever host device it's connected to. Even when it's empty, the USB connection will attempt to start the device even though it's low on battery and after a few cycles your device's battery is *dead* because the li-ion cell is under it's operational voltage | 03:37 |
| raster | android *IS* bad press. :) | 03:37 |
| wired | ptl_demands_PR12: the same thing i did with the n900 could probably be done with an android, it is a chroot afterall | 03:37 |
| * raster dislikes android | 03:37 | |
| * raster is biased | 03:37 | |
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| jacekowski | wired: it can't | 03:37 |
| hatseflats | this happened two times now, I think I'll have to go get yet another replacement cell | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | wired: android has no X | 03:37 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: but then you'd have to install the whole GTK+ environment and X, if it works at all under that modified kernel | 03:37 |
| Lumpio- | You could always add X | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | wired: android has non standard c library | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, thanks for the idea lol | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | Lumpio-: not really | 03:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | but chrome has a lot of dependencies: | 03:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.8), libcairo2 (>= 1.6.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libjpeg62, libnspr4-0d (>= 4.7.3-0ubuntu1~), libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) | 03:38 |
| Lumpio- | Why not | 03:38 |
| raster | also a non-standard linker | 03:38 |
| raster | limit - 64libs | 03:38 |
| Lumpio- | You could make an app for that! | 03:38 |
| Lumpio- | You could write X in Java | 03:38 |
| dmj726_n900 | winxp has run on n900? | 03:38 |
| wired | hmm ok, i don't know much about android ;) | 03:38 |
| raster | the apps i write already exceed 64 libs being linked | 03:38 |
| jacekowski | Lumpio-: android doesn't run java | 03:38 |
| jacekowski | that's for starters | 03:38 |
| hatseflats | no one? | 03:38 |
| Lumpio- | jacekowski: ...I know | 03:39 |
| raster | gnome apps even beat mine | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hatseflats: N810 doesn't charge over USB | 03:39 |
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| raster | (in # of libs linked to) | 03:39 |
| Lumpio- | But that's the only language I know surely neatly compiles for it >_> | 03:39 |
| Lumpio- | I don't know androids | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, infobot doesn't require a highlight here right? | 03:39 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmmm most of these deendencies are standard system and gtk libs | 03:39 |
| hatseflats | DocScrutinizer: that much I know. | 03:39 |
| hatseflats | but it shouldn't be leaking either | 03:39 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so it seems rather doable | 03:39 |
| dmj726_n900 | 64 dependencies limit in android? | 03:39 |
| hatseflats | or trying to forcefully boot when it's connected | 03:39 |
| iPeter- | Hey there is a easydeb on the repos.. could i use that to install google chrome? | 03:40 |
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| raster | Lumpio-: no. android uses a language that has the syntax of java, but not the same classes provided - different android ones. the bytecode is different and otherwise overall other desiign different to java | 03:40 |
| jacekowski | dmj726_n900: 64 libraries | 03:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | can you recurse with metapackages at least? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: huh? | 03:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | oh...that's not good | 03:40 |
| areay | hi all... does anyone know how to view the *complete* history in microb? i can't seem to find a menu option so i figured it'd be something like history:/// (which doesn't work btw) | 03:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | apt-get source chromium-browser | 03:40 |
| raster | dmj726_n900: yes. max ! of libs u can link is 64. that kills off a tonne of linux userspace already | 03:40 |
| Lumpio- | raster: I know it's different ¬_¬ | 03:40 |
| raster | err max # | 03:40 |
| Lumpio- | But the language is Java-ish enough to be Java for me. | 03:40 |
| hatseflats | jacekowski: android runs Java through the Dalvik(spelling?) VM | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, like I don't have to say infobot, (something) to make it say what it stands for | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | infobot, ~flashing | 03:41 |
| jacekowski | hatseflats: no it doesn't | 03:41 |
| hatseflats | which is just a mobile cut down version | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~flashing | 03:41 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | that would kill my gsoc project I think | 03:41 |
| jacekowski | hatseflats: it has to be translated to dalvik bytecode before it can be run on android | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: flashing | 03:41 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~~ | 03:41 |
| infobot | ~ is probably the key | 03:41 |
| jacekowski | and dalvik sounds kinda like dalek | 03:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: I didn't know the bytecode was different. Is it too different or slightly different? Why would they do that? | 03:41 |
| dmj726_n900 | if I were making it for android rather than maemo. | 03:41 |
| hatseflats | jacekowski: and what's your point? | 03:41 |
| raster | dmj726_n900: android, by not being linux based (and by linux i'm not being a pedantic "linux is only the kernel" amp member), threw the baby out with the bathwater | 03:41 |
| raster | sadly webos is bettter, but not enough - also thre the baby out by not building on x | 03:42 |
| jacekowski | hatseflats: that it's not so straightforward | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: ~ is a short form for infobot: | 03:42 |
| jacekowski | raster: it's not even linux kernel based | 03:42 |
| jacekowski | raster: there is so much modifications made to it | 03:42 |
| dmj726_n900 | yeah, I gave up on android when I saw how unlike desktop linux it was. | 03:42 |
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| hatseflats | jacekowski: but you can run without too much trouble Java code using many, but not all, standard libs. This should be enough to build X in Java, as suggested. | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, oh kk, just setting it up on another server, and it only seems to work with a hgihlight | 03:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | android was evicted from the linux kernel tree on kernel 2.6.33 | 03:43 |
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| * ptl_demands_PR12 downloading chromium browser source to try and compile it for ARM | 03:43 | |
| MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, umm, what was that about again? :p | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno what highlight you mean | 03:43 |
| hatseflats | ptl_demands_PR12: good luck with that :( | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, <-- this is a highlight | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | aka ping | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously infobot needs a trigger otherwise it'd spam the chan | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, any links? :) | 03:44 |
| jacekowski | i don't even remember how to build .deb package | 03:44 |
| jacekowski | i've been building .rpms for last 4 years | 03:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges#head-e62f8734739a22c3d2ae775e9052b290311083c4 | 03:44 |
| iPeter- | Hey there is a easydeb on the repos.. could i use that to install google chrome? | 03:44 |
| raster | jacekowski: well i'd say "heavily bastardised linux kernel" | 03:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | iPeter-: possibly | 03:44 |
| raster | eg - like no oss or alsa - they decied to invent their own audio driver api | 03:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, that's for chromium? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the trigger is either calling it by its nick, or to use the key as first char of a posting | 03:44 |
| raster | i think power management is also significantly different | 03:44 |
| hatseflats | is there a way to put a n810 in slow charge mode? | 03:44 |
| raster | etc. | 03:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: no, that's for android being evicted from the linus tree | 03:45 |
| hatseflats | so not make it boot an OS so it won't reboot constantly? | 03:45 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ptl_demands_PR12, think I'm mixing up | 03:45 |
| areay | anyone at all know how i can view/search my microb history? | 03:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | iPeter-: it would probably be easier to compile chromium under debian, but I guess there's no ARM executable on the repositories | 03:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, is that set by a setting? or are they both enabled by default | 03:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | MohammadAG_: I am just trying now. I am download chromium source code and I'll use it in scratchbox to see if it compiles. | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: afaik key is a chan specific setting | 03:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/am download/am downloading/ | 03:46 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: MohammadAG_: I am just trying now. I am downloading chromium source code and I'll use it in scratchbox to see if it compiles. | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ah k, thanks again mate | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | as is the nick | 03:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | yeah I got you | 03:46 |
| jacekowski | raster: anyways, what sort of arm can 2GHz i7 emulate | 03:46 |
| hatseflats | anyone? | 03:46 |
| raster | jacekowski: 2ghz i7? thats an odd clockrate for n i7 | 03:47 |
| raster | a bit low? | 03:47 |
| jacekowski | example | 03:47 |
| jacekowski | or whatever you are using | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that obviously largely depends on type and make of emulator you use | 03:48 |
| jacekowski | qemu | 03:48 |
| jacekowski | or simpler | 03:48 |
| jacekowski | what sort of CPU i need to get same level of performance as i would get on n900 | 03:48 |
| raster | let me check | 03:48 |
| raster | hmmm | 03:49 |
| iPeter- | ptl_demands_PR12: Well i dont know anything yet of compiling stuff or even what SDK really is. I would really like to know, and i would need someone to give help lol :D | 03:49 |
| raster | ok - not totally scientific | 03:49 |
| raster | i'm runing one of my beenchmarks | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, the one on this channel seems a bit rewritten, I thought the s/something/correction/ stuff was standard | 03:49 |
| jacekowski | iPeter-: software development kit | 03:49 |
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| raster | admittedly this is rendering onto a xephyr xserver running on ther native host | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: Latest version: 1.5.3 @ https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2241 || SVN: http://infobot.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/infobot/ | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~version | 03:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d | 03:50 |
| microlith | Venomrush: have funreflashingi | 03:50 |
| raster | so rendering goes via a pretty nasty and unfair path | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 03:50 |
| infobot | Since Tue Mar 30 01:03:05 2010, there have been 28 modifications, 423 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 219 commands. I have been awake for 6d 23h 47m 31s this session, and currently reference 116941 factoids. I'm using about 21684 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 17391.92/528.95 child 0.09/0.07 | 03:50 |
| microlith | !@#$%@#$%# | 03:50 |
| iPeter- | Blah, maybe i try to do this by my self and use google etc :D | 03:50 |
| microlith | ignore that | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 03:51 |
| raster | jacekowski: give me a few mins to get u some results | 03:51 |
| infobot | ~pong | 03:51 |
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| jacekowski | i'll be sleeping in few minutes | 03:51 |
| raster | will take a few mins only | 03:52 |
| wired | gn guys :) | 03:53 |
| raster | actually... i knew the perfect test that will stress cpu not display path | 03:53 |
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| hatseflats | can anyone please help me out? I don't want yet another dead battery | 03:53 |
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| raster | jacekowski: ok. a 2.8gzh core2 "native" | 03:54 |
| raster | 105fps | 03:54 |
| raster | qemu on the same system - 14.13 fps | 03:54 |
| raster | and on an 800mhz cortex-a8 | 03:55 |
| raster | 13fps | 03:55 |
| ShadowJK | 4181mV | 03:55 |
| ShadowJK | ! | 03:55 |
| raster | this is compute heavy - almost 100% compute and very little display | 03:55 |
| raster | so on a 2.8ghz core2 duo (laptop so memm bus is a bit cruddy compared to desktop) | 03:56 |
| ech0Asus | lol funny talk for #maemo | 03:56 |
| raster | qemu emulating an arm beats a real 800mhz cortex-a8 (and this cortex has a good mem bus - better than the n900 by a wide margin) | 03:56 |
| raster | jacekowski: so there u go... qemu manages to beat a very fast arm "in real life" :) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's roundabout what I had estimated | 03:57 |
| raster | and as i said | 03:58 |
| raster | slowing x86 (compared to the i7 on a desktop) | 03:58 |
| raster | vs very fast cortex-a8 arm | 03:58 |
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| jacekowski | define real life | 03:58 |
| raster | not 100% scientific but ballpark numbers | 03:58 |
| raster | jacekowski: i actually did tests and ran real code that actually is used in real applications | 03:58 |
| raster | its not just "calculate pi" | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~RL | 03:59 |
| infobot | i heard rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers | 03:59 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | The Real Life is not a Big Blue Sphere? | 03:59 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Big Blue Box == IBM Box. Real Life is AIX or Mainframe | 04:00 |
| fredrin | life is how you live it | 04:00 |
| * ptl_demands_PR12 didn't understand the reference and is trying to make sense of it | 04:00 | |
| fredrin | what you make of it | 04:00 |
| fredrin | or am i out of sync, lol | 04:02 |
| raster | definitely | 04:03 |
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| raster | (out of sync) | 04:03 |
| fredrin | what's happening in the maemo meegoo world? | 04:04 |
| hatseflats | ... | 04:04 |
| microlith | not much yet | 04:04 |
| dmj726_n9001 | Aren't blue boxes for transportation? | 04:05 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | why the repositories are showing 'not found' for so many packages? | 04:05 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Err http://repository.maemo.rg extras-testing/non-free Packages 404 Not Found | 04:05 |
| fredrin | blah | 04:05 |
| fredrin | :) | 04:05 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Err http://repository.maemo.rg extras/free Sources 404 Not FoundErr http://repository.maemo.rg extras/non-free Sources 404 Not FoundErr http://repository.maemo.rg extras-testing/free Packages 404 Not Found% | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no surprise - I think TLD .rg doesn't work | 04:07 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ugh | 04:07 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | didn't see that. | 04:07 |
| hatseflats | ech0Asus: what's the usual then? | 04:07 |
| hatseflats | actual helpful conversations? | 04:08 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | must have editted this 'o' out by accident | 04:08 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | well, no luck either: | 04:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Err http://repository.maemo.org extras-testing/free Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 72.246.64.136 80]Err http://repository.maemo.org extras-testing/non-free Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 72.246.64.136 80]Err http://repository.maemo.org extras-devel/free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 72.246.64.136 80]Err http://repository.maemo.org extras-devel/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 72.246.64.136 80] | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: fix your DNS | 04:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | any clue? | 04:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmm | 04:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wrong IP? | 04:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | will check. | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | grr | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | [ 31] !ERROR! Cannot connect. | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | [ 32] !ERROR! Since mysql is not available, shutting down bot! | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: /join #infobot, maybe | 04:10 |
| iPeter- | Hey, i got maemo SDK running on a VirtualBox, how do i compile Google Chrome to N900 now? im totally beginger with SDK stuff. | 04:13 |
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| crashanddie | it's a sad state of things when googling for the right spelling of a word, the most popular hits are yourself misspelling it on an IRC channel... | 04:14 |
| crashanddie | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=oephemism | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nslookup repository.maemo.org/ | 04:14 |
| infobot | I can't find repository.maemo.org/ in DNS | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nslookup repository.maemo.org | 04:15 |
| infobot | repository.maemo.org is 166.70.146.137 | 04:15 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmmm | 04:15 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I'll add this IP to my /etc/hosts | 04:15 |
| hatseflats | also, what b/s is this, the n810 wont' boot up without a battery, but the alternative bootloader works just fine when I take it out when it's working. This means that the n810 hardware is perfectly capable of running without stressing the battery | 04:16 |
| hatseflats | wth | 04:16 |
| hatseflats | I don't get Nokia | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # host 72.246.64.136 | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 136.64.246.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer a72-246-64-136.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com. | 04:17 |
| dmj726_n9001 | perhaps an n900 mod would be possible then to make the device not turn off when the battery is removed. | 04:17 |
| dmj726_n9001 | ...when plugged in of course. | 04:17 |
| ShadowJK | The datasheet for the charger chip indicates it will switch itself off on battery removal | 04:18 |
| dmj726_n9001 | so it's hw limitation on the n900 specifically then | 04:19 |
| hatseflats | well, I don't know how it's doing it, but I have in my hand 1 battery, not connected to the n810, and on n810 inside it's bootloader screen running off the adapter. | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n9001: there's no way to deliver proper powersource via USB, without a battery to buffer | 04:20 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine that if on N8x0 the battery charger's pwm register was set to 255, it'd essentially form a direct connection to the battery and thus the entire system | 04:20 |
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| hatseflats | ShadowJK: didn't you help me out previously? I think I figured out why my first battery died and now the second one. | 04:20 |
| ShadowJK | however then you'd be feeding it about 7volts instead of the expected 3.2 - 4.2 Volts | 04:20 |
| hatseflats | regardless of that, didn't you say there's a way to slowcharge the batter? | 04:20 |
| hatseflats | * battery | 04:21 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the help, I figured it out, had the pass wrong in the config file, again thanks | 04:21 |
| hatseflats | which is still ~3.2 volts | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | I just used a weaker power adapter :) | 04:21 |
| dmj726_n9001 | hmm...capacitor between the batery and n900 might help | 04:21 |
| hatseflats | I only have 'official' nokia chargers with the correct plug | 04:22 |
| hatseflats | wth | 04:22 |
| hatseflats | this is second cell to die | 04:22 |
| hatseflats | stupid ass backwards design :/ | 04:22 |
| hatseflats | seems like the problem occurs when the n810 is connected to a usb host for extended periods of time | 04:23 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | what are the three connectors on the battery for? | 04:23 |
| hatseflats | probably siphoning off power even tho it's turned off | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hatseflats: that's quite possible | 04:23 |
| hatseflats | DocScrutinizer: it's the only correlation I can think of, and this battery is fresh, 2 months max. | 04:24 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: Well SmartQ have an extra chip that disconnects battery from the system, and switches system power to dc-in, when dc-in high enough :-) | 04:24 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: even with this IP the repositories fail. | 04:24 |
| dmj726_n9001 | positive, negative, and something...not sure the order. | 04:24 |
| ShadowJK | I guess the regulators are designed to cope with 5V too | 04:24 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | am I doing anything wrong? It worked previously | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | deb http://repository.maemo.org extras free non-free | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org extras free non-free | 04:25 |
| iPeter- | hey wat is root password on maemo sdk? | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | iPeter-: rootme | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | oh | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | the SDK? | 04:25 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | er... you are not root on the SDK | 04:25 |
| hatseflats | but again there's no solution for my predicament? better off getting a new battery, again? | 04:25 |
| ShadowJK | I just sudo su - on sdk i think | 04:25 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | you run it completely in userspace. And use fakeroot | 04:25 |
| iPeter- | ptl_demands_PR12: Im changing keyboard layout and it asks for password | 04:25 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Does anyone have the same issues I have by trying to get to the extras, extras-devel and extras-testing repositories (with apt-get)? | 04:26 |
| iPeter- | w8.. it asks for maemo user password | 04:26 |
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| ponyofdeath | hi, how can i modify the desktop-command-widget conf without it being overwritten? | 04:27 |
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| ShadowJK | hatseflats: I don't remember what happened before, but I'm guessing you're getting reboots trying to charge the battery? | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmj726_n9001: +, -, and BSI which is simply a resistor to iirc GND | 04:32 |
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| Robot101 | ptl_demands_PR120: what's this about ringtones? | 04:32 |
| hatseflats | ShadowJK: yeah, device powers up, goes through the bootloader, boots from flash, goes *past* the initial "charing" screen where it only shows the logo, goes to the screen where it actually says "charging" on screen, with the animated logo and then after a few seconds shuts down | 04:32 |
| hatseflats | tried booting Mer to see if that helped any bit, but it also shut down before 't was fully loaded | 04:33 |
| dmj726_n9001 | bsi= battery status indicator. | 04:33 |
| hatseflats | the voltage on this battery is still a bit over 3.2 volts, which should be just within the safety zone | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | s/status/size/ | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's your interpretation though, I guess | 04:34 |
| ShadowJK | it was in the service manual too iirc | 04:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Robot101: the mythical feature of a different ringtone per contact (or group). kate from nokia gave me a pointer that it might be doable. | 04:36 |
| ds3 | ptl_demands_PR12: does that apply to nonvoice contacts? | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | It's even in the glossary :-) | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: it's already implemented - though by speaking the number of inbound call. Using a MP3 instead of espeak is simple | 04:37 |
| dmj726_n9001 | hmm...would the n900 shutt down if the bsi pin got disconnected? | 04:38 |
| hatseflats | dmj726_n9001: there's one way to know for sure, | 04:38 |
| hatseflats | s/,/./ | 04:38 |
| infobot | hatseflats meant: dmj726_n9001: there's one way to know for sure. | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so I assume they were'nt nice enough to provide a detailed description of how to conclude capacity from resistance value? | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | nop3 | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | nope* | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | Not even the pads under the battery are described | 04:39 |
| ShadowJK | since obviously you have the specific N900 jig that aligns perfectly with the pads and feed all the signals into your PC with Nokia's phoenix software.. | 04:40 |
| iPeter- | Hi, i got a deb package (i386) and i want compile it for maemo5 (ARM) | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for all of my knowledge there's no algorithm to calculate capacity from the R value. It's a lookup table, and it should contain one entry for N900 as there's no official battery alternatives | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually on some older batteries it's called ID rather than BSI | 04:42 |
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| ShadowJK | page 167/202: Battery connector\nBlade battery connector type.\n* VBAT (Battery voltage)\n* BSI (Battery size indication)\n* GND (Battery ground) | 04:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | oh, sorry, I was trying some compilation here | 04:43 |
| ShadowJK | and on 197/202 it's Indicator instead of Indication | 04:43 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: it's not implemented, the hard part is getting control of the ringtone, preventing the 'true' ringtone from playing, and stopping the ringtone if the call drops or the person on the receiving end refuses or silences it. | 04:44 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah it could be a lookup table, but the design capacity value as reported by HAL changes every boot, and it changes radically with the mugen battery between cold and warm reboot.. and that battery is only one I've measured to have a thermistor on BSI :) | 04:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: it's not just playing a sound file wherever a call shows up, that's the easy part | 04:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/wherever/whenever/ | 04:44 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: DocScrutinizer: it's not just playing a sound file whenever a call shows up, that's the easy part | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: I watched the python code doing that. And yes, you need to set it to silent ringtone | 04:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ds3: it seems that it applies to nonvoice contacts too, because they use the same underlying mechanism (telepathy) | 04:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: the python code detects if the call was dropped, cancelled or silenced? | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui yes | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | though not sure for the silenced part | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the code killed the espeak process on call accept/reject | 04:47 |
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| ds3 | ptl_demands_PR12: if you get that working... I been looking for a way to ignore non voice contacts | 04:48 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: you may want to change your nickname | 04:50 |
| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: I don't it's having a massive effect on Nokia | 04:50 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: that's because you didn't see their horrified faces! | 04:51 |
| crashanddie | true | 04:52 |
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| crashanddie | so you'd rather they rush into releasing something than finish it properly? | 04:52 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | they have finished it more than a month ago | 04:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | you can see that by the bugs marked 'fixed' | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | Fixed doesn't mean ready to ship | 04:54 |
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| crashanddie | it just means "fixed in the codebase" | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | please don't tell me you're so ignorant of corporate policies that you go into the open-source-lunatic hype as well? | 04:54 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It went into scratchbox also. | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | so? | 04:55 |
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| crashanddie | Scratchbox is a dev environment, it doesn't require as much QA and vetting as a software package that will be shipped to potentially millions of customers | 04:55 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | It's stable. It's not bombing out in the face of people. It fixes important bugs. If it has new bugs, they are less important than the fixed ones. | 04:55 |
| crashanddie | you don't know that | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | so please, stop spreading fud | 04:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | what FUD am I spreading? | 04:56 |
| crashanddie | And I say this with the utmost kindness my rotten heart is capable of | 04:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | FUD is Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. I "doubt" that these words apply here. :) | 04:56 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I am just saying that it is about time they release the fixes. | 04:57 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Testing is important. Ubuntu 10.04 has lots of bug fixes, but I'm glad it wasn't released as 10.03 | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | You are spreading the fact that Nokia has PR 1.2 ready, but doesn't ship just to piss off people. You're spreading the fact that Nokia is incompetent, and that they somehow promised the release some time ago. | 04:57 |
| crashanddie | This may not be how you intend it, but that's how it comes over | 04:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | They have PR 1.2 ready, it's on scratchbox. Incompetence is your conclusion, I'd say that it is corporate bureaucracy. And since they marked lots of bugs as fixed, yes, they have created an expectancy. I am expressing the anger and frustration that comes from many of their customers. | 04:59 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | You can't see, but I participate in lots of brazilian forums where people who don't know english want to see some status from Nokia. I try to calm their down, but I only have silence from Nokia. | 05:00 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | No news about PR1.2, and I keep having to explain that for every issue on the bugtracker - hey, it's fixed, it's just not out yet. How can I explain that? | 05:01 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | If any, I am preventing FUD for Nokia. | 05:01 |
| dmj726_n9001 | Nokia's problem is more lack of communication than lack of release. | 05:01 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | I would like to see a clear release schedule for the updates, not rushing qa. | 05:02 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | perhaps ptl_demands_a_release_schedule_and_status_updates_for_PR12? | 05:03 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | And the way they use something that is midway between the open-source way and the proprietary/closed way, they fail on both altogether. They mark bugs as fixed, but don't release the fixes. No "release early, release often". This disappoints their open-source crowd. And from visibly marking bugs as fixed, they disappoint their proprietary/closed-source crowd. | 05:03 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | dmj726_n9001: lol | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: you actually starting to troll | 05:04 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | dmj726_n9001: that would be OK, but freenode has a character limit | 05:04 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Well, I guess that voicing negative opinions might count as trolling. But it's not my intention. I'd like to be productive, but I can't until Nokia releases the fixes. | 05:05 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | I could even try and get the packages from the SDK with the bugs fixed for the people I am trying to help. But they would be incomplete, and I would risk hurting Nokia's reputation anyway. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw; for you to stop pestering me with my own reasonings like they were yours: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=577660&postcount=19 | 05:06 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer: ?? but I have read this and I use eSpeakCaller. Didn't get what you meant | 05:07 |
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| crashanddie | ptl_demands_PR12: you fail to realise that it is not your duty to "calm down many brazilian users" | 05:08 |
| crashanddie | you have not been empowered by Nokia to take care of them, or to be their representative | 05:08 |
| crashanddie | As such, you are not in a position to expect anything less than utter silence from their part | 05:08 |
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| crashanddie | The only reason you are frustrated and feeling stress is because you are interpreting their actions. There is no room for interpretation; and doing so will only lead you to wrong conclusions. | 05:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: yes, that is what happen when you say, "hey people! this thing is fixed. the fix is scheduled for ... for PR1.2, whatever that is. <silence>" -- people bought an expensive device and they need more than that. Yes, I am not am ambassador or anything, I just feel frustrated just like these people, even trying to get acquainted with all the reasons Nokia have | 05:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's not interpreting. It's problems that Nokia must solve for their customers. | 05:12 |
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| crashanddie | Again, did your N900 come with a signed guarantee that "All things that irk you will be fixed by April 1st"? | 05:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's not some psychology thing. It's not abstract. | 05:13 |
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| ShadowJK | hey guys could you go somewhere else with this? | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | No, they're working on it, as hard and fast as they can. Pestering the *software community* rather than the *vendor* doesn't make any sense | 05:13 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: sure | 05:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ok ShadowJK | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | I mean there are dozens of threads on tmo you could join | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | and it's easy to ignore them | 05:14 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 05:14 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: /ignore crashanddie!*@* | 05:14 |
| b-man17 | lol | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | actually I'm leaving in 10 minutes so it doesn't matter :P | 05:15 |
| ShadowJK | sorry for the noise ;) | 05:15 |
| crashanddie | infobot: ShadowJK is noisy | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I sympathize with your notion though | 05:16 |
| infobot | okay, crashanddie | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | ~ShadowJK | 05:16 |
| infobot | i guess shadowjk is noisy | 05:16 |
| crashanddie | yay! | 05:16 |
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| b-man17 | infobot: Ipad sucks | 05:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~ipad | 05:17 |
| infobot | Intelligent vector drawing package. URL: http://www.demon.co.uk/titan/ | 05:17 |
| b-man17 | lol | 05:17 |
| crashanddie | AFAIK, you need to have x is y | 05:18 |
| b-man17 | ah | 05:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | infobot: iPad is sucky | 05:18 |
| infobot | ...but ipad is already something else... | 05:18 |
| b-man17 | infobot: Ipad is a suckish device | 05:18 |
| infobot | ...but ipad is already something else... | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ignore b-man | 05:18 |
| * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, b-man!" | 05:18 | |
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| b-man17 | DocScrutinizer: hehe | 05:18 |
| b-man17 | ~ignore DocScrutinizer | 05:19 |
| * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, DocScrutinizer!" | 05:19 | |
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| crashanddie | infobot: iPad is also a new gadget released by Apple, and agreed by most geeks to be a failwhale, even though it sold 300,000 units on its first day. | 05:19 |
| infobot | crashanddie: okay | 05:19 |
| crashanddie | ~ipad | 05:19 |
| infobot | Intelligent vector drawing package. URL: http://www.demon.co.uk/titan/, or a new gadget released by Apple, and agreed by most geeks to be a failwhale, even though it sold 300,000 units on its first day. | 05:19 |
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| b-man17 | xDDDD | 05:19 |
| b-man17 | ~apple | 05:21 |
| infobot | apple is a "different" computer company :). They are currently known for the iMac, eMac, PowerMac, XServe, iPod, iBook, and Titanium Powerbook. Their computers use (motorola) PowerPC processors, of the G3 (750) and G4 (74XX) nature. the G4 processor has vector processing known as "altivec". Apple can be found at http://www.apple.com, or apple recently adopted the G5 (ibm) processor which kicks butt | 05:21 |
| ShadowJK | how up to date :) | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares | 05:22 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~42 | 05:23 |
| infobot | 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer ptl_demands_PR12 | 05:23 |
| infobot | 'ptl_demands_PR12' is 57.000% lame, crashanddie | 05:23 |
| b-man17 | ~$10 | 05:23 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | \o/ | 05:23 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ...but not 100%! | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer DocScrutinizer | 05:23 |
| infobot | 'DocScrutinizer' is 0.000% lame, crashanddie | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | yay | 05:23 |
| b-man17 | ~nickometer b-man17 | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer b-man17 | 05:24 |
| infobot | 'b-man17' is 34.000% lame, b-man17 | 05:24 |
| b-man17 | NOES! | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | the dash and numbers gave you away buddy | 05:24 |
| b-man17 | ~nickometer crashanddie | 05:24 |
| infobot | 'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, b-man17 | 05:24 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~nickometer _|Nix|_ | 05:24 |
| infobot | '_|Nix|_' is 88.000% lame, ptl_demands_pr12 | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | ouch | 05:24 |
| b-man17 | xDDDD | 05:24 |
| b-man17 | ~nickometer Stskeeps | 05:25 |
| infobot | 'Stskeeps' is 0.000% lame, b-man17 | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer dmj726_n9001 | 05:25 |
| infobot | 'dmj726_n9001' is 83.000% lame, crashanddie | 05:25 |
| b-man17 | ~nickometer infobot | 05:25 |
| infobot | 'infobot' is 0.000% lame, b-man17 | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | take it elsewhere gentlemen | 05:25 |
| * crashanddie shoves it up DocScrutinizer's | 05:25 | |
| dmj726_n9001 | questions for Apple: Which versions of Firefox does it run. | 05:26 |
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| crashanddie | dmj726_n9001: eh? | 05:27 |
| crashanddie | dmj726_n9001: the iPad? It doesn't run firefox | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #apple | 05:27 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | it's intended ironically | 05:27 |
| crashanddie | rhetorically is the word you were looking for | 05:28 |
| dmj726_n9001 | perhaps, though that's only half the connotation | 05:28 |
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| AakashPatel | yo | 05:29 |
| crashanddie | rhetonically? | 05:29 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | let's compile meego for the iPad. | 05:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmm, that would still be offtopic. | 05:31 |
| AakashPatel | Hm | 05:31 |
| AakashPatel | I havent tried meego yet | 05:31 |
| AakashPatel | How is it | 05:31 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | very raw yet. | 05:31 |
| dmj726_n9001 | very wip | 05:31 |
| b-man17 | it's ok if you like the command prompt | 05:31 |
| AakashPatel | oh heh | 05:31 |
| AakashPatel | Anyone got screenshots | 05:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | btw, does meego has openssh-server already? | 05:32 |
| AakashPatel | I sold my n900 a while back...I'll be buying another one soon lol | 05:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/has /have / | 05:32 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: btw, does meego have openssh-server already? | 05:32 |
| b-man17 | AakashPatel: there's nothing much to see, imagine a white screen with a bash prompt xD | 05:32 |
| AakashPatel | Oh | 05:32 |
| AakashPatel | hahah | 05:32 |
| AakashPatel | What phone you think would be best for a sysadmin | 05:33 |
| acidjazz | n900 | 05:34 |
| crashanddie | one that has a camera, and sends calls to voicemail whenever the owner is eating/reading slashdot. | 05:34 |
| acidjazz | lol | 05:34 |
| acidjazz | baiscally one that never has service | 05:34 |
| AakashPatel | haha | 05:34 |
| acidjazz | no phone service but ssh | 05:34 |
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| AakashPatel | Right now i have a nexus one, but there isn't a way in hell i'll be using ssh with taht thing | 05:35 |
| AakashPatel | virtual keyboards ftl | 05:35 |
| AakashPatel | >.< | 05:35 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | If you value X, GTK, QT, DBUS, gstreamer, hal and the likes, N900 is for you. If not, and if you care too much about application availability, keep your nexus... | 05:38 |
| b-man17 | AakashPatel: wait, i recognize you! *slaps himself with a trout* lol | 05:38 |
| AakashPatel | Hahah | 05:38 |
| AakashPatel | Yeah! | 05:38 |
| AakashPatel | b-man17: Been away from here for a bit | 05:39 |
| AakashPatel | Since I haven't had my N900 :v | 05:39 |
| b-man17 | indeed xD | 05:39 |
| b-man17 | missing it? xD | 05:39 |
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| jef91 | Hello all, I just reflashed my N900 and now it isn't seeing my t-mobile sim chip, any suggestions? | 05:40 |
| AakashPatel | Well...I wasn't, cuz I used to have an ADP1, so Google integration sucked me and and N900 was making me suffer haha, but got a job as a sys admin and now feel like i need it again | 05:40 |
| microlith | jef9: what version did you flash? | 05:41 |
| b-man17 | AakashPatel: told you you would need it eventually ;) xD | 05:41 |
| AakashPatel | Hah. | 05:41 |
| jef91 | microlith Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_002 | 05:41 |
| jef91 | the one I've used in the past | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | chillout time for my steampunk laptop | 05:41 |
| b-man17 | ok g2g - getting late, c ya AakashPatel :) | 05:42 |
| AakashPatel | Peace dood | 05:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, amen. | 05:44 |
| jef91 | Going to try flashing the eMMC as well | 05:45 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: about? | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | forums/fora | 06:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, $10 you hit 10 thumbs before Friday. :P | 06:15 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, I had 3 down a little while ago | 06:16 |
| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, I assume you are talking about my rant | 06:16 |
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| Andrewfblack | GeneralAntilles, were you meaning thumb downs? | 06:21 |
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| * crashanddie is thinking about writing an OpenID provider that will use smartcard authentication | 06:24 | |
| crashanddie | and also an open authentication server that goes beyond what FreeRadius provides | 06:25 |
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| crashanddie | other ideas are selling an N900 client for OGame to Gameforge, aiming at opening the market for 3rd party clients for OGame... Will require specific authentication features to ensure users are using authorised clients | 06:26 |
| crashanddie | I'm currently writing a database tool for OGame, and if I get it right, I could enable a multi-user, multi-universe system that I could sell to users for a low fee ($1 per month?) | 06:27 |
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| crashanddie | With roughly 200 users per universe who would pay for such a feature for sure (out of 15k users per uni, so quite conservative), and roughly 300 universes that I could immediately target, that's $60k a month | 06:46 |
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| Chiku | about overclock n900 and reverse does it need to reboot ? | 08:10 |
| Chiku | thinking overclocking could get firefox no laggy | 08:10 |
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| * joga actually thinks microb is much more usable as a pocket browser than firefox | 08:13 | |
| Chiku | what about overclocking? | 08:14 |
| Chiku | doe firefox usable with more mhz? | 08:14 |
| joga | I hadn't heard of it being possible, I just looked it up | 08:14 |
| joga | well, obviously it should be somewhat faster but it may not be the bottleneck | 08:14 |
| joga | hard to tell before trying it out | 08:15 |
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| crashanddie | Chiku: if you want to sacrifice your CPU for the sake of 200Mhz... | 08:26 |
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| Chiku | what you mean sacrifice? | 08:35 |
| Chiku | shoter life? | 08:35 |
| crashanddie | yes | 08:35 |
| Chiku | shorter | 08:35 |
| Chiku | cpu could life for 1 or 2 years? | 08:36 |
| Chiku | because after 2 years n900 is outdated | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | Nobody knows | 08:36 |
| crashanddie | for all we know, the CPU could fry within a week if you push it at 1Ghz | 08:36 |
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| MiXu- | There's a reason it's clocked at 600MHz instead of 1GHz or 800MHz. | 08:38 |
| MiXu- | I'm guessing battery life being the main driver. | 08:39 |
| MiXu- | So it's probably not even designed to withstand more heat than 600MHz will produce. | 08:39 |
| joga | personally I wouldn't be *that* worried about the cpu dying, battery life or instability is something I would worry more | 08:40 |
| MiXu- | joga: Yes | 08:40 |
| joga | but, well, I don't really know about overclocking the n900, I've only done it to PCs | 08:40 |
| crashanddie | The N900 doesn't have a fan it can push a bit further if its feeling hot | 08:41 |
| crashanddie | It has a very specific thermal range, and going above/beyond that is extremely dangerou | 08:41 |
| crashanddie | s | 08:41 |
| joga | but one example of hardware that ships underclocked (or, used to) is the NSLU2, iirc it was clocked at 133mhz when you buy it but just remove one resistor from the board and it's 266mhz and still stable | 08:42 |
| crashanddie | Nokia Engineers told us since the start that overcloking was possible, but begged us not to do it, because we'd fry our devices | 08:42 |
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| joga | ok.. | 08:42 |
| joga | what happens then? doesn't it shut itself down when it heats too much? | 08:42 |
| crashanddie | now, how much is fud, and how much is truth? Nobody knows | 08:42 |
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| crashanddie | Just ask yourself the question: is 200-400 Mhz enough of a difference to risk a $600 device? | 08:44 |
| slackmagic | and people get reminded of speed limits every day on the freeways, some obey it, some don't. Some get into accidents, some don't :). I personally say if you want to play around with your n900, then feel free. I'll keep mine just as it is. | 08:44 |
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| joga | I'm not about to overclock since I think it works snappily enough already, but I'm just curious how it would break | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | I guess you'll have to be very convincing then... | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | "No yeah, overclock it to 1Ghz... Heck, go up to 1.2Ghz... She'll take it. Nha don't worry, I heard about some russian who went up to 4.8Ghz with his..." | 08:46 |
| joga | I think this calls for someone who has extra $$ and will to make a youtube vid | 08:46 |
| crashanddie | "Why I... don't... overclock.. mine? Well, err, I borrowed mine to a friend! Yup, that's right" | 08:46 |
| joga | something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko | 08:46 |
| * crashanddie is at work | 08:47 | |
| crashanddie | No youtubez at work | 08:47 |
| * joga is at work too, but tubez there is | 08:47 | |
| joga | though I guess I should start working soon | 08:47 |
| joga | :) | 08:47 |
| inz | Still no one with liquid nitrogen cooling? | 08:47 |
| crashanddie | inz: I wouldn't feel too comfortable having a nitrogen cooled timebomb sitting against my face for phone calls... | 08:48 |
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| crashanddie | I guess if it really overheats | 08:48 |
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| crashanddie | we could make the N900 mandatory for skiiers and snowboarders | 08:48 |
| inz | crashanddie, but you could be really cool; especially should the tank fail. | 08:49 |
| crashanddie | make an app that detects avalanches, and when it does, overclock up to 1.xGhz | 08:49 |
| crashanddie | Creates a unique heat signature | 08:49 |
| inz | Melts up to 10 meters of snow. | 08:49 |
| crashanddie | and your crotch is cooked | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | but you live! | 08:50 |
| inz | Well done crotch => well done babies? | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | inz: I think our definition of "cool" differs quite a bit | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | "Oh what an ugly baby... I'm feeling quite concerned, my semen must have turned..." | 08:51 |
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| crashanddie | "Just the tought of powdering her ass everyday, especially with that tail in the way, maybe, I could get a good price on eBay" | 08:52 |
| kirma | not being against overclocking would certainly cause nokia lots of headache trying to separate "real" bugs from overclocking unstability and data corruption, and of course power on hour count would reduce considerably, although not necessarily to affect typical customer use time | 08:52 |
| crashanddie | "I've always wanted kids... Is it wrong, to wish for SIDs" | 08:53 |
| kirma | still, I did overclock. I don't really use the phone for anything that would consume lots of CPU time constantly, though | 08:53 |
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| Wolfie | write a daemon that monitors the cpu usage, and if it gets above 95%, make it overclock dynamically? :) | 08:54 |
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| Wolfie | ...assuming no booting is required, naturally | 08:55 |
| crashanddie | Overclocking is cool when you're 14 yo, and you still have residue from the pure shots of adrenaline you had from being a kid, so waiting 0.4 seconds is WAY TOOO HUUUUUGE OMFGZ | 08:55 |
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| crashanddie | When you're a few years over 20, you don't really care anymore, everything takes ages anyway | 08:55 |
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| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 <-- fun, fun | 08:57 |
| RST38h | Wikileaks is asking for trouble though | 08:57 |
| Wolfie | that's kinda the point of free journalism | 08:58 |
| crashanddie | no | 08:58 |
| crashanddie | the point of free journalism is to provide information, regardless of political pressure | 08:58 |
| Wolfie | well, not directly, but can't really help it either | 08:58 |
| crashanddie | wikileaks has gone from "free journalism" to "sensationalist bad rep press" | 08:58 |
| Wolfie | you poke a military giant, it'll probably poke back | 08:58 |
| Wolfie | strictly, wikileaks has never been about journalism, but whistleblowing and leaking stuff | 08:59 |
| crashanddie | true | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: well, they did cover it up and killing reuters journalists shouldn't be a free pass.. | 09:00 |
| Wolfie | all that stuff that democracy is about, but the rulers never like :) | 09:00 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You do understand that as a dailyrotten reader, I am not even considering the morality of their actions? :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not questioning your morality | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | RST38h has morality? | 09:02 |
| RST38h | In terms of the clusterfuck degree though, this one stands pretty high =) | 09:03 |
| RST38h | Prolly below the Japanese and their nuclear reactor, but still. | 09:04 |
| crashanddie | what charlie foxtrot? | 09:04 |
| iPeter- | Hey, i got maemo SDK installed on my VirtualBox and id like to know how i do compile stuff to n900 | 09:08 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: gcc helloworld.c -o helloworld | 09:11 |
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| iPeter- | crashanddie: That to console? :p | 09:15 |
| iPeter- | Anyway, it gave no such file or directory | 09:15 |
| iPeter- | no input files | 09:15 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: maybe voice recognition works on your computer, try saying it out loud | 09:15 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: don't forget, Linux is European, so use "point" instead of "dot" | 09:16 |
| style | lol iPeter- here, hi :) | 09:16 |
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| iPeter- | crashanddie: Are you going to mess with me or actually help, i did play with this 5h on last night, and did go sleep 3hours ago and im here again. Id really appreciate help with this. | 09:17 |
| iPeter- | style: lul | 09:18 |
| johnxx | iPeter-, It's totally possible that someone might help you on here, but it probably won't be crashanddie (as you already noticed) | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: feck off | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | did you read the developer guide, iPeter-? | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: you said you wanted to compile, what language? | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: do you know C, C++? Have you ever used a compiler under Linux | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | ? | 09:19 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: No i didnt, no-one has mentioned of it. Someone just told "get maemo sdk and then you can compile google chrome for n900" | 09:19 |
| iPeter- | Well i got it, and have been googling and googling for hours now. | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | iPeter-: hang on | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | and google chrome on n900 might be a high target though | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | aye | 09:20 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: No i dont have used any compiler on linux. | 09:20 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: How so? | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 09:20 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructions | 09:21 |
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| iPeter- | Is it easy to compile example google chrome to n900 or not? :S | 09:21 |
| style | not propably ;) | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxBuildInstructionsPrerequisites | 09:22 |
| iPeter- | FFUU | 09:22 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/archives/chromium_tarball.html | 09:23 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: Do i have install some stuff to this maemo sdk to start this process? | 09:23 |
| wired | gmorning | 09:23 |
| crashanddie | yup | 09:23 |
| johnxx | Does anyone even have Chrome fully functional on Linux/ARM? Last I heard it didn't even run ... | 09:23 |
| wired | blah | 09:23 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: nope, it doesn't | 09:23 |
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| crashanddie | iPeter-: check the prerequisites page, you need to install all of the software packages that are listed on it | 09:23 |
| wired | johnxx: crashanddie: you heard wrong: http://twitpic.com/1dif5m | 09:23 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: they provide an apt-get command on how to install all of the software required, just read, in other words | 09:24 |
| iPeter- | crashanddie: Do you mean it wont run? Chrome on N900? | 09:24 |
| madduck | when I get a call, the number is frequently not matched against an existing contact, most likely due to the +XX prefixes I store with contacts. Is there any hope of me fixing this? | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | iPeter-: or as my initial reaction should have given away: STFW | 09:24 |
| style | btw, how well, or not well at all, chrome runs on n900 ? | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: you're being a bit agressive. | 09:24 |
| johnxx | wired, well color me impressed :) | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I am? | 09:25 |
| Termana | Chrome also runs on the SmartQ, but I guess people are more interested in weather or not it runs on the n900 :P | 09:25 |
| iPeter- | Stskeeps: I bet mom didnt hug enough. | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: ah, fair enough, search the fucking web | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:25 |
| * Stskeeps goes get his coffee | 09:25 | |
| wired | johnxx: ;) | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: yeah, not shut the fuck wup | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | :d | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | i thought you were french though, so wouldn't it be wup? ;) | 09:26 |
| * Stskeeps has been watching too much allo allo | 09:26 | |
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| Termana | crashanddie: Are you trying to pick your nose with your tounge using that smiley? | 09:26 |
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| wired | my 3ghz i5 took 2h22m to build chromium (using a qemu-user-based chroot) :) | 09:30 |
| johnxx | not a surprise. it comes with a ton of unit tests | 09:30 |
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| wired | oh, no tests :) | 09:31 |
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| johnxx | wired, got you beat though. I compiled x.org on *native* ARM hardware :) | 09:35 |
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| wired | oh im not doing that. i could but i don't want to melt the n900 :p | 09:35 |
| johnxx | N900? This was a Zaurus w/ 64MB of RAM. The Debian package for xfbdev didn't have tslib support for the touchscreen | 09:37 |
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| wired | but im thinking... i could use distcc between the chroot and the normal system. that would speed things up dramatically while leaving the configure phase in the chroot where it doesn't fail... hmm | 09:38 |
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| wired | interesting idea, will be interesting to see if i can reduce the 3.5h needed for thunderbird | 09:38 |
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| johnxx | I think I tried it. My biggest problem was that I did it over wifi and ended up losing out hugely because of the slow I/O between distcc hosts | 09:40 |
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| wired | yeah im thinking more like chroot-host | 09:40 |
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| johnxx | aaaah | 09:41 |
| johnxx | that would be the way to go | 09:41 |
| johnxx | then you could renice +15 the part running emulated | 09:41 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: you are lucky a tightass from the customer just walked in, or you would've taken a flying kick for calling me french | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah, may have misunderstood your nationality then | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | (says the guy moving back to france within a month) | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, close enough | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: I lived in France for a while, I'm far from French though... dneary is probably french-er than me. | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | fair enough | 09:54 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | crashanddie: you are belgian? german? | 09:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | british? | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | European | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | Europe is my homeland :) | 09:58 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | that sounds generic! | 09:59 |
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| joga | damn...I wish I got eduroam to work with n900 | 10:06 |
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| johnxx | eduroam is a trick: it doesn't actually work with anything :) Everyone else is just pretending it works to make you keep trying | 10:07 |
| joga | ;) | 10:07 |
| noobmonk3y | lol tmo down again? | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: same as bluezz? | 10:07 |
| joga | I work at the university so it would be very convenient here | 10:07 |
| johnxx | crashanddie, except that works great for me. Keep trying! :D | 10:07 |
| johnxx | heh. but I remember back around the launch of the N800 in early 2007 people showing up on here and t.m.o (itt at the time) asking about eduroam (or was it called something different then?) | 10:08 |
| VDVsx | some eduroam flavors work, at least in maemo4 :) | 10:08 |
| joga | yeah I guess some work...this doesn't | 10:08 |
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| joga | and I don't have infinite time to try and make it work here and it's impossible to test at home ;) | 10:09 |
| * noobmonk3y prods T.M.O | 10:10 | |
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| Termana | noobmonk3y: tmo isn't loading for me either, so I assume yes, its down. | 10:11 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 10:11 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade, or Tek must be riding t.m.o. round the server rooms again ;) | 10:12 |
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| johnxx | :D in a previous life we had a server rack on wheels and I really, really wanted to add as many external batteries to the UPS as possible, replace the wired connections with wifi (it was pretty low trafic) and wheel the server rack out into the parking lot | 10:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~eduroam | 10:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | ~gnuplot | 10:15 |
| infobot | Plotting package, output to X11, postscript, png, gif and others. URL: http://www.gnuplot.vt.edu/ | 10:15 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 10:22 |
| johnxx | hall hrw|n900 | 10:23 |
| johnxx | what have you been up to lately? | 10:23 |
| johnxx | s/hall/hallo | 10:23 |
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| hrw|n900 | johnxx: nothing new basically | 10:25 |
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| hrw|n900 | johnxx: but plan to concentrate more on armv7 for longer time | 10:26 |
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| joga | re: overclocking... http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ | 10:27 |
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| MiXu- | I don't buy that :P | 10:27 |
| cehteh | lol | 10:27 |
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| phellarv | Badass cooling | 10:28 |
| johnxx | joga, lookin' good. but there are limits to air cooling. You'll have to switch to water cooling one of these days | 10:29 |
| cehteh | looking at the CPU% of processes it doesnt look plausible | 10:29 |
| cehteh | and you can easily cheat conky in its config | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: water cooling is poor | 10:29 |
| wired | is anyone here using easy debian or any other chrooted environment? | 10:29 |
| joga | wired: I am | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: only supports cooling up to room temperature | 10:29 |
| wired | joga: do you have any Qt apps in it? | 10:29 |
| joga | wired: hmm, not yet, at least I haven't installed any | 10:29 |
| johnxx | crashanddie, great news! I've just invented a device I call a "refridgerator" | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | joga: can you /nick yoda and say the same sentence again... "<yoda> wired, I am" | 10:30 |
| wired | joga: if you do, please try to type in them with the hw keyboard. :) | 10:30 |
| joga | ;) | 10:30 |
| phellarv | johnxx: Woaw | 10:30 |
| MiXu- | crashanddie: haha | 10:30 |
| phellarv | johnxx: For real? | 10:30 |
| joga | wired: I can try... | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: any different from the refrigerator that has existed for some time? | 10:30 |
| johnxx | phellarv, wait til I tell you about the "freezer" (!) | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: what does the "d" stand for? | 10:31 |
| phellarv | johnxx: Caramba - That sounds cool- | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | phellarv: feels cool too. | 10:31 |
| wired | joga: it seems i can't get it to type in any qt app from my chroot and it is really annoying :p | 10:31 |
| johnxx | crashanddie, it stands for "making water colder than room temperature" ... hmm, you think people won't be able to guess that? | 10:31 |
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| joga | wired: have you tried the "keyboard fix" if it helps? | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: doesn't seem obvious... | 10:32 |
| joga | and can you recommend some tiny qt app, I can't think of any right now | 10:32 |
| wired | what is the "keyboard fix"? if you're referring to the "power button" thing, no it doesn't work | 10:32 |
| johnxx | crashanddie, well, maybe I'll need that marketing help after all :| | 10:32 |
| crashanddie | johnxx: brand awareness | 10:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | keyboard fix is one of the shortcuts easy debian adds to your menu | 10:32 |
| joga | wired: the shortcut that easydebian creates | 10:33 |
| wired | i don't have easy debian | 10:33 |
| joga | oh, ok | 10:33 |
| wired | but i'd like to know what is in that fix | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | wired: so do most addicts | 10:33 |
| wired | lmao | 10:33 |
| phellarv | fscking broken wrist. | 10:33 |
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| johnxx | heh...my N800 really doesn't like being a USB host for my N900 :) | 10:36 |
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| Stskeeps | wb jamie | 10:38 |
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| JamieBennett | thanks Stskeeps | 10:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: Exec=/usr/bin/debbie xephfocus | 10:38 |
| johnxx | interestingly, it worked just fine when my N900 was topped off, but as I was transferring files I think the N900 decided to start trying to recharge and that didn't work out too well ;) | 10:38 |
| JamieBennett | router died again :( | 10:39 |
| johnxx | anyone know a way to tell the N900 that it should't try to charge from USB? | 10:39 |
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| wired | ptl_demands_PR12: hmm i thought it'd have something to do with focus, but the powerbutton trick should do the same thing and it doesn't work either. mind you, i don't use xephyr, i start apps straight on maemo's X :) | 10:39 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: debbie is a helper for easy-debian that runs executables that are inside the chroot environment. This xephfocus must be a script, I think it's something that calls gxmessage to obtain the focus, just that | 10:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I don't think the powerbutton has anything to do with that. If any, it takes the focus off easy-debian. | 10:41 |
| wired | well the easy debian wiki talks about the powerbutton | 10:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | so, let me see what this script does. | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | anybody here familiar with QT? | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | esspecialy with http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qsqlcursor.html | 10:42 |
| sejo | I have a fresh sdk install on my laptop, and trying to find the python-qt packages | 10:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | zenity --display=:0 --info --text="This window is needed to gain keyboard focus in LXDE. Click OK." &trl -l | 10:43 |
| sejo | someone an idea hew to get them? | 10:43 |
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| johnxx | m00f! m00f! | 10:44 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: this is the whole script ---> http://pastebin.com/2QbkTw62 | 10:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: it uses zenity and wmctrl | 10:44 |
| RST38h | heya johnx, how are thigns? | 10:45 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | and something called set-focus | 10:45 |
| wired | ptl_demands_PR12: thanks. yeah none of that is present on the n900 | 10:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | which is a binary file | 10:45 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | wired: yes, it runs in a chrooted debian environment under /.debian | 10:45 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | [user@n900 /]% ls -la /.debian/usr/bin/xephfocus | 10:46 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 551 2009-12-22 04:17 /.debian/usr/bin/xephfocus | 10:46 |
| wired | hmm i'll install wmctrl in the chroot and get set-focus from the debian image | 10:46 |
| wired | and see what happens | 10:46 |
| johnxx | crashanddie, I figured that the refrigerated cases used a water+radiator system, so yeah, you're right | 10:47 |
| wired | ptl_demands_PR12: unfortunately i can't do it now, i'll have to do it when i get home, thanks :) | 10:48 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if I can write a program sitting in the background and catching all keypresses? | 10:51 |
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| RST38h | (and where I should listen for keypresses) | 10:51 |
| johnxx | define "background" | 10:51 |
| RST38h | johnx: as in, not having its own app window, possibly showing a desktop widget | 10:52 |
| Anssi|| | RST38h, it is called keylogger = virus | 10:52 |
| johnxx | as in, the way I know to do it is make a fullscreen transparent window | 10:52 |
| RST38h | Anssi: Yes, that is what I want to write. A virus. Thank you. | 10:52 |
| phellarv | RST38h: And it's called a daemon, when it's running in the background | 10:52 |
| johnxx | Maybe you could read /dev/input/eventX | 10:52 |
| RST38h | johnx: No way to catch keypresses before they go to actual apps? | 10:52 |
| RST38h | phellarv: Thank you for your data input as well. | 10:53 |
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| johnxx | RST38h, fullscreen transparent window | 10:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: That is in front of all the other stuff, correct? | 10:53 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's a demonic virus then | 10:53 |
| johnxx | RST38h, yeah, that's the concept | 10:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: ACK. | 10:53 |
| Kurppa_ | RST38h: it is also called an application. | 10:53 |
| johnxx | so that's why I asked what you meant by "background" | 10:53 |
| johnxx | Anssi||, useful reasons to do this include things like x2x and synergy | 10:54 |
| johnxx | and actually, RST38h, that might be a good place to hunt down some code :> | 10:54 |
| phellarv | It's possible to patch up the kernel to have a layer between the keyboard and the app. | 10:54 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it would be nice if we could play movies in the background of the N900. | 10:54 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I tried it with xwinwrap, no success. | 10:54 |
| RST38h | johnx: looks like bug #2501 is not gonna be resolved any time soon, so I may have to "fix" it myself at the end =( | 10:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 10:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | RST38h, Simple keypress example in pyQT here - http://pastebin.com/5V9aiRNK | 10:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | that would depend on you having an invisible window though i'd think | 10:56 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:56 |
| noobmonk3y | morning | 10:56 |
| * RST38h is not gonna use neither Python nor Qt | 10:57 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | goooooooooooooood morning! | 10:57 |
| Anssi|| | qt get key press events from kernel probably, dunno actual mechanism. maybe some sort of file descriptor | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Will have to be an X11 app | 10:57 |
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| Anssi|| | or x | 10:58 |
| Anssi|| | hm | 10:58 |
| RST38h | Ah, speaking of the devil, hello konttori | 10:58 |
| konttori | hi | 10:58 |
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| Kurppa_ | I didn't know this guy was the devil. | 11:01 |
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| achipa | noobmonk3y: pyqt is an endangered species here :) | 11:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol.......... | 11:03 |
| * noobmonk3y bigs' up the pyQT Massive! | 11:03 | |
| * adisbladis writes stuff in gtk! | 11:03 | |
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| johnxx | aaah, the majestic pyqt. almost hunted to extinction in the early 2000's, it leads a tenuous existence on the slopes of IRC | 11:04 |
| noobmonk3y | lol... which will faile soon and dissappear into the ether | 11:04 |
| RichardP | with regard to the type of data service available, i know what 2G and 3G are - but wtf is 3.5? my n900 has it up quite often | 11:04 |
| johnxx | RichardP, HSPA | 11:04 |
| noobmonk3y | richard , 3.5g = better than 3g | 11:04 |
| noobmonk3y | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access | 11:05 |
| RichardP | johnxx: my carrier doesnt do HSPA | 11:05 |
| Anssi|| | pyqt is good for something. makes qt/opengl programming pretty easy | 11:05 |
| johnxx | s/HSPA/then it is lying to you/ | 11:05 |
| infobot | johnxx meant: RichardP, then it is lying to you | 11:05 |
| noobmonk3y | not tried open gl yet :( | 11:05 |
| noobmonk3y | i still dont understand this whole s/random/randomer stuff | 11:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~lick lcuk | 11:06 |
| * infobot licks lcuk *SHLUUURRRRPPP* | 11:06 | |
| johnxx | noobmonk3y, what text editor do you use? | 11:06 |
| frals | replace the first word with the second one noobmonk3y | 11:06 |
| noobmonk3y | just using idle :P | 11:06 |
| frals | or the first pattern with the second one | 11:06 |
| noobmonk3y | and pygtkeditor on the n900 | 11:07 |
| noobmonk3y | meh still dont get it, sounds like effort for no reason | 11:07 |
| johnxx | use vi. Then you'd understand | 11:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | vi - sounds more complicated then the bible :) - would rather use windows notepad | 11:07 |
| lupine_85 | noobmonk3y, man sed | 11:07 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 11:07 |
| lupine_85 | all becomes clear :) | 11:08 |
| Anssi|| | noobmonk3y, you are right in that, it is like religion :) | 11:08 |
| achipa | noobmonk3y: the only way to make your position worse is to say you don't like emacs either :) | 11:08 |
| * lupine_85 uses nano, kate and gedit exclusively | 11:08 | |
| noobmonk3y | wtf is an emac? lol | 11:08 |
| lupine_85 | oh yeah | 11:08 |
| johnxx | yeah, vi is complicated and useless until it's the only thing you have on a machine and you need to edit your config files to get internet access to download your favorite editor :) | 11:08 |
| noobmonk3y | is is an emo in a big 80's coat? | 11:08 |
| lupine_85 | mm, I can just about cope with a few-lines change in vi | 11:09 |
| Anssi|| | vi is posix | 11:09 |
| lupine_85 | TBF, I'd rather use sed | 11:09 |
| johnxx | emac: http://images.macworld.com/images/legacy/2004/09/reviews/emac.jpg | 11:09 |
| lupine_85 | not always possible though | 11:09 |
| lupine_85 | (and my awk-fu is low) | 11:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lol achipa - you and your name changing, didn't recognise you there :P | 11:09 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: emacs is a very feature-complete text editor posed as historic rival of vim. | 11:09 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo seen them before, never used 1 | 11:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | well, actually.... emacs is a pretty good OS but it lacks a good text editor *ha ha ha. | 11:10 |
| noobmonk3y | ~emac | 11:10 |
| noobmonk3y | worth checking | 11:10 |
| johnxx | however, emacs != emac :) | 11:10 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:10 |
| noobmonk3y | morning jaffacakes :D | 11:10 |
| johnxx | Shapeshifter, nonsense, it has a vi mode :) | 11:10 |
| Anssi|| | and vi is not vim either. | 11:10 |
| Shapeshifter | oh sure | 11:10 |
| achipa | noobmonk3y: not my fault really, some squatter took years ago (internettablettalk days) | 11:10 |
| Shapeshifter | emacs is like "there's an app for that", only that app means lisp extension. | 11:10 |
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| lupine_85 | just don't mention the war (xemacs) | 11:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 11:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: but about vim --- I think you have some prejudice against it. Once you learn its way of using, it's an excellent and productive editor, specially in the context of limited mobile keyboards. | 11:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: it uses almost no ctrl combinations, and it is designed for slow terminals, which makes it excel in saving keystrokes. | 11:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: really, learning vim it very much worth a try | 11:11 |
| noobmonk3y | war? | 11:11 |
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| johnxx | it's funny, 'cause I really like vim, but my favorite 'academic' programming language is scheme, so you'd figure I'd love emacs ... | 11:11 |
| noobmonk3y | ptl_demands_PR12, hard to have prejudice about something i have never heard off, let alone used ;) | 11:11 |
| achipa | noobmonk3y: people tended to get quite religious about it | 11:11 |
| Shapeshifter | noobmonk3y: indeed, vim is very nice to use on the n900. | 11:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: the most traditional ideological war from the linux camp is vi (actually vim) vs. emacs (actually xemacs)! | 11:11 |
| Anssi|| | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war | 11:11 |
| koala_man | johnxx: why scheme and not haskell? | 11:12 |
| noobmonk3y | omg its own wiki page! | 11:12 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 11:12 |
| johnxx | koala_man, cause comp sci 101 was scheme :) | 11:12 |
| lupine_85 | fuctional vs. procedural coding. there's another war ;) | 11:12 |
| * lupine_85 hugs his best-of-both-worlds | 11:12 | |
| squidd | emacs is too hard compared to vim :( | 11:13 |
| Shapeshifter | there's also WM wars. | 11:13 |
| koala_man | haskell is like scheme with types and better syntax, but without the meta-abilities | 11:13 |
| _berto_ | ptl_demands_PR12: actually xemacs ? | 11:13 |
| johnxx | Shapeshifter, those turned into the DE wars, though...and I haven't heard them break out as much these days | 11:13 |
| squidd | there used to be OS wars, but win7 pwned all | 11:13 |
| Anssi|| | lol: The Church of Emacs, formed by Richard Stallman, is a joke, and while it refers to vi as the "editor of the beast" (vi-vi-vi being 6-6-6 in Roman numerals) | 11:13 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | _berto_: flamebait! Sorry :P | 11:14 |
| _berto_ | ptl_demands_PR12: no, seriously, I don't think I know anyone who uses xemacs nowadays | 11:14 |
| Shapeshifter | johnxx: DE wars? there's only 4 DEs, practically. anyway, WM wars are very popular in #archlinux as arch users tend not to be using DEs and instead tiling WMs and stuff | 11:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | and there's billions of those. | 11:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | _berto_: some of my friends used it instead of emacs | 11:14 |
| _berto_ | ptl_demands_PR12: really ? | 11:14 |
| johnxx | ugh, tiling WMs | 11:14 |
| squidd | tiling <3 | 11:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | awesome is quite nice | 11:15 |
| Shapeshifter | for a noob at least | 11:15 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | _berto_: but I never properly knew the differences. | 11:15 |
| johnxx | I guess when you have a huge-normous monitor you don't need to conserve screenspace. must be nice | 11:15 |
| Shapeshifter | a noob to tilers I intend to say | 11:15 |
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| * lupine_85 pats his 1920x1080 at home | 11:15 | |
| lupine_85 | I need a second one :/ | 11:15 |
| Shapeshifter | johnxx: it's nifty on netbooks for example. | 11:15 |
| squidd | id need new screens aswell | 11:15 |
| johnxx | Shapeshifter, I <3 WindowMaker still on netbooks/lower-end machines | 11:16 |
| squidd | something like 30" with nice resolution would be cool, tho expensive | 11:16 |
| Shapeshifter | johnxx: mh. | 11:16 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | hmmm | 11:16 |
| _berto_ | ptl_demands_PR12: lots of tiny differences | 11:16 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | windowmaker would be nice for easy debian | 11:16 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | its large icons would be very finger-friendly. | 11:17 |
| johnxx | ptl_demands_PR12, too much double/right-clicking | 11:17 |
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| hrw | I use 24" fullHD but with kwin still | 11:17 |
| _berto_ | ptl_demands_PR12: but as far as I can tell gnu emacs has the technical lead now | 11:17 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | _berto_: good to know, if I ever get tried of vim :) | 11:18 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | s/tried/tired/ | 11:18 |
| infobot | ptl_demands_PR12 meant: _berto_: good to know, if I ever get tired of vim :) | 11:18 |
| _berto_ | :D | 11:20 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | iPad: will it blend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko | 11:20 |
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| johnxx | didn't he cheat by taking the back off first?? | 11:22 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | ~prod noobmonk3y | 11:22 |
| * infobot zaps noobmonk3y with a high voltage cattle prod | 11:22 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | johnxx: well, he had to insert it into the blender | 11:23 |
| johnxx | yeah, but the whole *structural* piece of the iPad never got blended | 11:23 |
| johnxx | actually I was surprised that he even managed to get it to bend that much just hitting it against the base of the blender. Those things are (*&$#ing sturdy feeling | 11:24 |
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| squidd | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/win 2 | 11:26 |
| achipa | johnxx: actually, there are 2 things structural in there - the glass, and the humongous battery | 11:26 |
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| achipa | try to break a notebook battery (in full HAZMAT equipment and fire extinguishers at hand, of course) and you'll see those can be tough buggers | 11:28 |
| johnxx | yeah, I just wanted to see what that blender would do to that solid aluminum case. I was especially disappointed that they didn't mention that they left it out | 11:30 |
| MiXu- | Those videos are just entertainment anyway :) | 11:30 |
| MiXu- | They cheat quite often :) | 11:31 |
| achipa | johnxx: it'd prolly just warp it and then get stuck | 11:31 |
| johnxx | admittedly :) I do love the idea that there is a business model that involves buying new electronics and putting them in a blender | 11:31 |
| MiXu- | lol | 11:31 |
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| johnxx | though they have nothing on these guys: http://www.ssiworld.com/watch/watch-en.htm | 11:33 |
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| squidd | on n900 is it possible to get battery info in conky? | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | yes | 11:34 |
| squidd | cool | 11:35 |
| bleader | hey guys, any tips about offline maps ? with nokia maps I tried but japan maps is 7MB, there not much info there, and with maep it seems you need to "show" every location at every zoom level to get the tiles in cache (from what I've seen on the forum) | 11:35 |
| squidd | shows pretty much everything else so id like tol get battery charge lvl too | 11:36 |
| hrw | bleader: grab n810 and use maemo-mapper on it | 11:37 |
| hrw | it was best combo in maemo devices | 11:38 |
| bleader | wouldn't maemo-mapper will just retrieve maps for nokia maps anyway ? | 11:38 |
| bleader | s/will// | 11:38 |
| infobot | bleader meant: wouldn't maemo-mapper just retrieve maps for nokia maps anyway ? | 11:38 |
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| RichardP | I can certainly recommend people do NOT use the Carphone Warehouse in the UK | 11:38 |
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| johnxx | nope. it grabbed maps from google maps and yahoo maps and openstreetmap, but I think google changed their format | 11:39 |
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| johnxx | haven't tried it in a long time | 11:39 |
| johnxx | hey rm_you | 11:39 |
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| bleader | anyway, I do not have an n810 | 11:39 |
| bleader | but still, it's good to know | 11:39 |
| bleader | damn, a friend had one, move 9000km from here last week, should have asked earlier :) | 11:40 |
| johnxx | bleader, do you have extras-devel enabled? | 11:42 |
| rm_you | hey johnxx | 11:42 |
| bleader | johnxx: yep | 11:43 |
| bleader | (on n900) | 11:43 |
| Scelt | PR 1.2 OUT? | 11:43 |
| johnxx | Scelt, did someone say it was? | 11:43 |
| thresh | kitteh killed | 11:43 |
| MiXu- | Scelt: no | 11:43 |
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| Scelt | johnxx: I almost felt so | 11:44 |
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| johnxx | you'd probably notice if it was. ;) | 11:44 |
| squidd | i wouldnt hold my breath waiting pr1.2 :S | 11:44 |
| Scelt | ;D | 11:45 |
| Termana | Great, now we have people being psychic and "feeling" when a firmware is out. But just like a psychic, you bunked out unfortunately | 11:45 |
| MiXu- | lol | 11:45 |
| johnxx | bleader, it looks like someone compiled maemo-mapper for N900. might be worth a try: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44439 | 11:45 |
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| * Stskeeps likes sygic | 11:46 | |
| Scelt | Termana: got my testicle warming up | 11:46 |
| Scelt | s/testicle/tentacle/ | 11:46 |
| infobot | Scelt meant: Termana: got my tentacle warming up | 11:46 |
| bleader | johnxx: oh, thanks. I'll have a look | 11:46 |
| johnxx | Stskeeps, it looks neat as hell, but no maps for Asia yet | 11:46 |
| Scelt | how about ovi maps 3? | 11:47 |
| Termana | Scelt: heh, for a minute there I thought you were telling me I was roasting your nuts. | 11:47 |
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| bleader | Scelt: it works and you can get maps in cache to use offline | 11:47 |
| Appiah | are you guys talking about Mapper 3.0+beta2 ? | 11:47 |
| bleader | but data for japan are quasi inexistant | 11:47 |
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| bleader | johnxx: was indeed shown in an apt-cache search, probably missed it last time I had a look | 11:48 |
| johnxx | Appiah, yeah, but I can't get it to install. Looks like fallout from the PR1.2 switch | 11:48 |
| Appiah | Installs fine on my N900 | 11:49 |
| Appiah | PR 1.2? | 11:49 |
| johnxx | huh | 11:49 |
| bleader | indeed, seems there are some dependecy issues there | 11:49 |
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| johnxx | Appiah, can I guess that you don't have extras-testing/devel enabled? | 11:49 |
| Appiah | I have extra-testing | 11:50 |
| Jaffa | bleader: johnxx: Appiah: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752 | 11:50 |
| povbot | Bug 9752: Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries | 11:50 |
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| johnxx | Jaffa, yup. well aware. just trying to find a copy of maemo-mapper linked against the right libs | 11:50 |
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| Appiah | I'm sorry but what is PR ? | 11:51 |
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| johnxx | P(something) Release 1.2 | 11:51 |
| MiXu- | Product Release I think | 11:51 |
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| johnxx | Public? Pineapple? Parasol? Penguin? | 11:51 |
| Surfa | production or product, depends on who's talking | 11:52 |
| Surfa | typically production | 11:52 |
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| Appiah | So the Release 1.2 of what? | 11:52 |
| johnxx | bleader, turn off extras-devel, turn on extras-testing, download "Mapper," have fun in Japan :) | 11:52 |
| johnxx | Appiah, Maemo 5 :) | 11:52 |
| Appiah | Mine says Maemo 5 , Version 3.2010.02-8 | 11:53 |
| bleader | johnxx: I'll give it a shot this evening :) | 11:53 |
| bleader | thanks all :) | 11:53 |
| Jaffa | Appiah: That's PR1.1.1. PR1.2 is due "real soon now" | 11:53 |
| Appiah | Ah ok | 11:54 |
| Appiah | Any easy way to see which version is which PR? | 11:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Jaffa, i hear it is due to be released before the year 2222 :D - fingers crossed ;) | 11:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Appiah, Healthcheck app lets you see it | 11:54 |
| Appiah | ah | 11:54 |
| Appiah | I got that | 11:54 |
| johnxx | Appiah, in app manager, click 'uninstall' and browse down to 'Maemo 5' and hit details | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | Appiah: Versions in bugs.maemo.org? ;-) | 11:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | look at the firmware version line ;) | 11:54 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG ;) | 11:56 |
| noobmonk3y_ | nice post about the 1.2 ;) | 11:56 |
| Appiah | ah cool | 11:56 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, venomrush is annoying me | 11:57 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | as always | 11:57 |
| noobmonk3y_ | he should work for the daily mail - his news is almost as good ;) | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | he was a symbian user, knew him well before maemo | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | tmo | 11:57 |
| johnxx | bleader, yup. just installed here. works like a charm :) I think it'll work out really well in Japan, just make sure you get a tight enough zoom level or you'll miss all the tiny ($*&ing streets ;) | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, lol he's telling people to update to sdk packages | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG | if DocScrutinizer remembers, that bricked my device | 11:58 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG - prob is other apps are now getting posts saying why are things not working.. one in the healthcheck thread had updated libhildon already :| | 11:58 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | aghhhhhhhh i really should get out of bed..... | 11:59 |
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| bleader | johnxx: great :) | 12:06 |
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| Treibholz | cool, FeedingIt works upright, too! | 12:08 |
| villemv | FeedingIt rocks | 12:09 |
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| villemv | now that they fixed the annoying selection problem in text body view | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y_> lol MohammadAG - prob is other apps are now getting posts saying why are things not working.. one in the healthcheck thread had updated libhildon already :| | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG | take a look at the pr1.2 changes i posted | 12:12 |
| Appiah | thats a long list | 12:14 |
| Appiah | Only have about 3-4 bugs that affects me | 12:14 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, take a look at the last page | 12:16 |
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| MohammadAG | someone said add the sdk repos and update | 12:16 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: PR 1.2/sdk does not work on device | 12:18 |
| hrw | reboot loop is result | 12:18 |
| smhar | is there a list of available software packaged for N900 other than the limited http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/ . | 12:19 |
| hrw | anyway I still wonder how many devs will drop maemo5 | 12:19 |
| hrw | smhar: yes | 12:19 |
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| johnxx | smhar, http://maemo.org/downloads | 12:19 |
| bleader | johnxx: indeed, works fine in testing | 12:19 |
| bleader | thanks | 12:19 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, will do, just outta the shower | 12:19 |
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| * johnxx needs to sleep. 'night all | 12:21 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | night johnxx | 12:21 |
| smhar | is it possible to use N900 as a hotspot? anybody here managed to do it? | 12:21 |
| noobmonk3y_ | smhar, i am now | 12:21 |
| noobmonk3y_ | joikuspot | 12:21 |
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| smhar | noobmonk3y_, so I can get an 'unlimited' data download plan and use N900 as a wifi hotspot for my notebook.. great. is joikuspot Free? | 12:22 |
| noobmonk3y_ | joikuspot costs about £7 i think, but yes in theory, as long as there isnt something in the rules about tethering | 12:23 |
| noobmonk3y_ | but you could also use the data cable, and possibly a bluetooth pan? | 12:23 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, wb | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, yeah i know, i was trying to say that | 12:24 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG> noobmonk3y_, take a look at the last page - what did you mean? my comment was last on that page? | 12:24 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, ty, hrw's ping crashed the n900 | 12:25 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 12:25 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | i blame hrw for the world shortage of banana's ;) | 12:25 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | smhar: there is also a project which uses a modified kernel called 'mobile hotspot' | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hrw, didn't say last comment :) I think it's the page before the last | 12:36 |
| hrw | ? | 12:36 |
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| * noobmonk3y_ isnt feeling too great | 13:09 | |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | ? | 13:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | like, sick? | 13:11 |
| * SpeedEvil places noobmonk3y_ under a durometer. and finds this is true. | 13:11 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | yeah :( - stomach cramps :( | 13:11 |
| noobmonk3y_ | meant to be leaving for the n900 meetup in 10 mins | 13:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suggest eating/drinking plenty of brightly coloured stuff. | 13:13 |
| * lcuk installs healthcheck on noobmonk3y_ | 13:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | At least that way the results will be visually interesting. | 13:14 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 13:14 |
| MiXu- | Have a big cup of office coffee. That'll get rid of anything in your system. | 13:14 |
| lcuk | tie-dye! | 13:14 |
| noobmonk3y_ | just had a big bowl of porridge, hoping that will keep anything down :) | 13:15 |
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| * SpeedEvil loves porridge. | 13:15 | |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, are you goldilocks? arent you going meeting the bears later :D | 13:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hehehe | 13:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | yeah 4 of us now :D | 13:16 |
| * noobmonk3y_ is gonna go pack up - see you all this evenin :D | 13:16 | |
| SpeedEvil | not me. | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave! | 13:17 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol | 13:17 |
| * noobmonk3y_ waves | 13:17 | |
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| lardman | morning all | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn lardman | 13:25 |
| lardman | hi Stskeeps | 13:25 |
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| ebzzry | What is the advised method of running applications at startup, e.g., Pidgin, on Maemo 5? | 13:30 |
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| lardman | hmm, nice to see Debian has left the SDK version of quilt behind | 13:30 |
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| lardman | ebzzry: upstart perhaps | 13:32 |
| ebzzry | lardman: OK | 13:32 |
| Kurppa_ | You can find example upstart scripts at /etc/event.d | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | As a quick hack | 13:33 |
| ebzzry | Kurppa_: Oki doki | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | You can use command-line-execution-widgit | 13:34 |
| ebzzry | SpeedEvil: OK | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Setup a widget onscreen to execute when clicked. | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | It also executes at boot | 13:34 |
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| ebzzry | OK | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got one setup to do echo 2 >... - to set brightness to minimum - labelled 'dim' | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Being able to 'swallow' to the desktop would be interesting. | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | That is a way to run an app in a widget | 13:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | s/is a/ is - a/ | 13:35 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: That is - a way to run an app in a widget | 13:35 |
| javispedro | heya | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally want the task switcher in desktop 4 - say - and for camkeyd to go to that. | 13:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | So I can add some buttons to start apps around the task switcher | 13:37 |
| javispedro | the task switcher isn't window based though | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | That was perhaps a poor example. | 13:37 |
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| javispedro | xembed still exists? should be an interesting exercise :) | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I was more meaning like fvwm's 'swallow' mechanism for toolbar buttons. | 13:38 |
| javispedro | probably uses xembed | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | you could set it up to start an app, and resize the display into the button. | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't xembed quite recent? This was ~1995 | 13:39 |
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| javispedro | recent? | 13:39 |
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| javispedro | 2000ish | 13:40 |
| mece | 'ello | 13:40 |
| mece | question. | 13:40 |
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| javispedro | oh, openttd 1 released | 13:40 |
| mece | is "echo "1" >/sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp " done in PR1.2? | 13:41 |
| javispedro | time to work | 13:41 |
| mece | and vdd1 | 13:41 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | you mean you're asking if PR1.2 sets SmartReflex out of the box? | 13:43 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | most probably, no. It does not work on every device so Nokia wouldn't take any risks. | 13:43 |
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| asj | it certainly causes problems here | 13:44 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I never even tried it. | 13:45 |
| RichardP | i wonder if i could host my git repository on my N900, and always have it with me :) | 13:45 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | Although I translated the whole instruction to do it on a very accessed brazilian forum. | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: yes | 13:45 |
| RichardP | SpeedEvil: wh00t | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: it's a linux box. | 13:45 |
| mece | ptl_demands_PR12, howcome it doesn't work on every device? is there a hardware bug? | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: modulo compiling stuff onto it, and 32G of disk, and 256M RAM, you can do almost everything. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: possibly yes, or software. | 13:46 |
| mece | Hmm.. | 13:46 |
| javispedro | also, someone probably though it's not worth the effort of making it work | 13:46 |
| javispedro | due to the .. uh, minor result. | 13:46 |
| mece | Well I've been hearing reports that the improvement to battery life is significant | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: determining if something is software or hardware based can be tricky at these sorts of levels without schematics, and people with real knowledge of them. | 13:47 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mece: I am not a hardware guy, so I don't know the exact reasons, but I guess it's in part caused by minor variable differences in build quality of each device. | 13:47 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, naturally. | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: With the CPU idle - it should not be | 13:47 |
| Kurppa_ | I've tested SmartReflex with some friends. On my device it works perfectly, on some of my friends' phones, it starts hanging and crashing things. | 13:47 |
| mece | Kurppa_, interesting. | 13:47 |
| mece | Well I'll just try it on mine now. Was going to wait for PR1.2, but if it's not enabled anyway, why wait? | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: For example - without it - I get a battery longevity of perhaps 120 hours connected to wifi, pingable, and otherwise idle. | 13:48 |
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| mece | 120? | 13:48 |
| mece | 12 I assume | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 13:48 |
| Kurppa_ | mece: it's not. Try it yourself and leave it enabled if it works for you :-) | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | With xchat up and logged into 10 channels, it's more like 30 | 13:48 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you mentioned this yesterday but I forgot... what about phone and/or sim? | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: ? | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: oh. | 13:49 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you had sim inserted? | 13:49 |
| mece | SpeedEvil.. wtf? | 13:49 |
| RichardP | does anyone else find MicroB to be a bit ... buggy sometimes? it fairly regularly simply refuses to load a page when on wifi, even though my laptop works fine | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: 2G/3G seems barely measurable. It's 1 or 2 mA | 13:49 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: my personal record is 95h :( | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: MMC in/out does not add any load. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: yes - seen that | 13:49 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: that's with wi-fi best settings, 3g idling, | 13:49 |
| javispedro | ah, Skype. | 13:49 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, do you ever move your device? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | RichardP: the completion batr goes as normal, but the page remains blank? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: ? | 13:49 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, if you get 120 hours, do you move your device more than a few meters? | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: what's that got to do with it? | 13:50 |
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| wired | javispedro: 95h! i could do that... if i didn't touch the n900 at all until it discharged :p | 13:50 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, well o | 13:50 |
| javispedro | wired: well I did touch it quite a bit, which may explain why I didn't manage speedevil's 120h... | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: this is a projected result - I have not actually left it alone that long - the instantaneous current reading supports this though - and other stuff. | 13:50 |
| RichardP | SpeedEvil: yes | 13:51 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, right. | 13:51 |
| RichardP | SpeedEvil: or it just sits there doing a KITT style propress bar | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: I have left it >24h with xchat running, and sporradic use. | 13:51 |
| wired | apps with lots of network connections and/or moving a lot between areas with 2g/3g mixed signals is the absolut killer | 13:51 |
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| javispedro | wired: it's not about network connections, it's all about activity. | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 2G or 3G traffic is quite large. | 13:52 |
| aol | anybody know how to launch the application menu in full screen mode programmatically? | 13:52 |
| wired | javispedro: well i get much better battery if i use network-less apps | 13:52 |
| mece | well, I find the device kunda pointless unless there's activity. It's not THAT pretty... | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Even sporradic traffic - once a minute - kills battery | 13:52 |
| mece | kinda | 13:52 |
| aol | tried to look through DBus stuff but did not find anything related | 13:52 |
| wired | javispedro: network-heavy apps always destroy the battery | 13:52 |
| wired | esp. if i use WiFi | 13:52 |
| wired | 3g is better | 13:52 |
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| javispedro | wired: network activity heavy :) it has nothing to do with the number of connections, mostly. | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200. | 13:53 |
| mece | 2g is best for my battery. always online on 4 im's | 13:53 |
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| Surfa | depends on what is regarded as connection | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | has some tests on 3g and 2g | 13:53 |
| Surfa | of course connection amount has an effect in some cases | 13:53 |
| wired | javispedro: actually it does, many active connections can keep your circuits open more even if traffic is low :) | 13:53 |
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| javispedro | circuits are not open even if I have 3000 TCP connections in active state | 13:53 |
| RichardP | so, is anyone running the maemo replacement yet? | 13:53 |
| javispedro | quote "circuits are not open" since I don't think that made any sense :) | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | A ping every 30s - on 2G - 30mA - on 3G - 80mA | 13:54 |
| mece | Well regardless, smartreflex apparently helps in cases like mine, since my friend enabled it and it doubled his battery life and he has similar use patterns. | 13:54 |
| wired | SpeedEvil: eek | 13:54 |
| javispedro | mece: it does NOT double battery life. | 13:54 |
| mece | javispedro, well ok. significantly improved. | 13:55 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | anyone ever used kvirc on the N900? -- http://antixpuct.ru/maemo/opt/ | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (that is 2.5% of battery/hour on 2G, and 7% on 3g | 13:55 |
| javispedro | mece: it does NOT have any effect on the idle time either -- we measured it and it says so in the documentation | 13:55 |
| wired | SpeedEvil: i have an ssh connection open at all times, with a 60second keepalive | 13:55 |
| wired | i wonder how much battery it drains... | 13:55 |
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| Surfa | javispedro, what level of connections are you talking about | 13:56 |
| Surfa | i kind of understand your point, but it's not completely true | 13:56 |
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| mece | javispedro, He said that before smartreflex he ran out at 19, after he had to charge at 22. I guess he just lied then. | 13:56 |
| javispedro | mece: oh, tmo is full of lies indeed.... | 13:56 |
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| mece | javispedro, it's not tmo. It's my friend. | 13:56 |
| mece | javispedro, I'm pretty sure he didn't lie. | 13:57 |
| javispedro | mece: there's an impact in active use time, but it's hardly statistically significant | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 19->22 is not twice. | 13:57 |
| mece | javispedro, perhaps it was coincidence then. | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 13:57 |
| mece | SpeedEvil, (1:54:56 PM) mece: javispedro, well ok. significantly improved. | 13:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you are running tasks that keep your cpu at 250MHz for a significan period, it may have an effect | 13:58 |
| Surfa | javispedro, in the 3 the amount of tcp connections and keepalive sent to them is actually somewhat significant as 3g power saving timers aren't too quick | 13:58 |
| Surfa | 3g | 13:58 |
| Surfa | it's not always about the data amounts | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.5G - 8000 byte pings. 1s - about 180mA, 10s - 160 - 30s - 70 | 13:59 |
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| Surfa | but as i already said, it depends on what level of connections we're talking here | 13:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | You _really_ want to keep the connection idle for a minute at a time if you can | 13:59 |
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| javispedro | exactly, because there's no actual need of keepalive in some connections.. | 14:00 |
| Surfa | yep.. but it of course depends on the used network and radio and and.. | 14:00 |
| Surfa | javispedro, i still don't understand what connections you're talking about :) | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | 2G going almost flatout is equal to one ping on 3G per 10 seconds. | 14:00 |
| Surfa | wlan is suprisingly good in power saving methods | 14:01 |
| asj | Surfa: tcp/ip sockets need traffic on them periodically to make sure the connection is still connected | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I disagree with javispedro somewhat. In some workloads - say mp3 - smartreflex can have _lots_ of impact. | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Surfa: insanely. | 14:01 |
| Surfa | asj, no need to tell me that, i'm quite qualified on that area :) | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Surfa: 1.5mA boggles my tiny mind. | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (.1% of battery per hour) | 14:01 |
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| mece | SpeedEvil, how interesting. Since both me and the friend I mentioned play mp3's about 12 hours a day from our phones... | 14:02 |
| Surfa | SpeedEvil, indeed, i can't remember exact numbers, but wlan in the idle mode is very battery friendly | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Surfa: I'm seeing lows of 8mA at times - with wifi on and pingable. | 14:02 |
| * asj watches his phone go nuts | 14:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | with powersave full | 14:02 |
| mece | My wlan thingamabob is poorly placed, so I get a weak signal in some rooms in my house. Seems to eat battery. | 14:03 |
| Scelt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ | 14:03 |
| mece | Is that fake? | 14:03 |
| javispedro | asj, Surfa: yes, but how often does tcp require keepalives? last time I read it was around two hours... | 14:03 |
| pupnik | im seeing periods at 'unexplainable' -170mA | 14:03 |
| mece | LOL | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Scelt: Awesomely evil! | 14:03 |
| * SpeedEvil approves. | 14:04 | |
| Surfa | javispedro, depends on network | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Scelt: I suggest icecubes too | 14:04 |
| pupnik | but i think it may be the poor 2g here | 14:04 |
| asj | get a cooler and cool it to -40 while you are at it... | 14:04 |
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| mece | hey pupnik, you mentioned you were playing music with 6% cpu use a while ago. May I ask what method you used for that? | 14:04 |
| Scelt | not my n900 | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | (the above 3g/2g numbers are all measured with a good 2g/3g signal | 14:04 |
| Surfa | javispedro, some gprs networks require once a minute, some can handle longer periods.. it's completely dependent on the network infra | 14:05 |
| pupnik | mece alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol' | 14:05 |
| Surfa | SpeedEvil, pinging is not always perfect way to check if wifi is useful or not :) | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Surfa: no - but I mean - it can be ssh'd to - or ... | 14:06 |
| pupnik | sometimes i need to open a regular audio player and pause it, to get high volume | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: try turning the modem off | 14:06 |
| Surfa | SpeedEvil, there may be interesting powersavin methods that don't wake up the phone completely, but only answers ping and then sleeps again | 14:06 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: you mention mp3 because of the cpu being active but locked at 250-500Mhz? Might be -- didn't test that, but locked at 600Mhz for "active use". | 14:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes. | 14:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: mp3 - or many continuous tasks have the cpu sitting at 250MHz >90% of the time | 14:07 |
| Surfa | there are very interesting algorithms and optimizations in mobile devices.. i don't kno exactly how the n900 works | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 600MHz - IIRC - does not have much saving - it' basically an 'overclocked' mode - sortof. | 14:07 |
| hrw | one thing is nice from that overclock thread | 14:07 |
| hrw | 125MHz mode | 14:08 |
| javispedro | I would imagine it to sleep quite a lot during a plain mp3 scenario :P | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:08 |
| pupnik | is it stable for you? | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 125MHz is _very_ important for mp3 - if you can get efficient mp3 player | 14:08 |
| mece | I like the overclock thread. There's a lot of interesting info coming up.. | 14:08 |
| hrw | I did not read that yet | 14:08 |
| javispedro | like? | 14:08 |
| pupnik | how bout helix | 14:09 |
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| mece | javispedro, well generally about the omap3 durability and how it's supposed to work is interesting. | 14:10 |
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| javispedro | still no true info has come out, nobody seems to have the 3430 datasheet.... | 14:11 |
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| mece | javispedro, true true. | 14:11 |
| javispedro | and from what I gather, it all but seems like a "cheaper" version of the 3530...... :P | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And other tasks like gps logging | 14:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: mass production devices don't always mean cheaper | 14:12 |
| smhar | is there a pdf reader for N900 | 14:12 |
| mece | javispedro, well since I don't know anything about the hardware, everything is news to me. | 14:12 |
| javispedro | I don't know which one sells most | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | smhar: yes, stock | 14:12 |
| mece | smhar, mine opens pdfs out of the box, so yep | 14:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | It sucks somewhat | 14:13 |
| mece | true | 14:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | in that it does not allow arbitrary zoom | 14:13 |
| javispedro | and has no tagged/reflowable pdf support | 14:13 |
| mece | At least it's good enough for reading lego instructions :) | 14:13 |
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| wired | smhar: you could try evince | 14:15 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil: if you have time to waste, you could add tests with CPU in use locked at the different available cpufreq frequencies in the bq27xxx page | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes. | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: gonna do that in a bit | 14:16 |
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| hrw | "This is a unique feature of Nokia: there is always a magical firmware update which everyone is waiting for. And when it is released, everyone is disappointed and is waiting for the next to fix everything." - I like that sentence | 14:20 |
| hrw | ;D | 14:20 |
| ShadowJK | in use being what? | 14:21 |
| javispedro | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null or the like | 14:21 |
| ShadowJK | while true do ; done ? | 14:21 |
| javispedro | yep | 14:21 |
| hrw | javispedro: want to stress cpu? | 14:21 |
| hrw | javispedro: 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null' is better | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | md5sum /dev/zero | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | works for me | 14:21 |
| mece | hrw :D | 14:21 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 14:21 |
| ShadowJK | Because different things will use different amounts of power :) | 14:21 |
| javispedro | cpu only? | 14:22 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 14:22 |
| javispedro | you mean there's a noticeable difference in power usage between dd if=/dev/zero and while true do; done? | 14:22 |
| ShadowJK | Even my ancient P3 with abysmal powersaving capabilities used significantly different amounts of power for different full-cpu-load tasks | 14:22 |
| javispedro | yes but for any of the above tasks it's going to spent most of the time context switching... | 14:23 |
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| javispedro | and reading/writing memory | 14:23 |
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| mece | so that SmartReflex thing, what does it actually do? If it affects mp3 decoding somehow? | 14:24 |
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| Kurppa_ | mece: check https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633#c22 | 14:26 |
| povbot | Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default | 14:26 |
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| Kurppa_ | Comment #22 has some interesting information about it. | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: it affects all things that use the CPU | 14:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | mece: especially powersaving at low CPU speed tasks that are active all the time | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - mp3 or gps | 14:26 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, So I've decided RS=20 for now :P | 14:29 |
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| ShadowJK | (which means you can multiply all the current measurements by 1.5) | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: possible | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I may or may not measure it properly today | 14:35 |
| Arkenoi | is there a really high contrast theme that looks good on direct sunlight? not the one *called* "high contrast" ;-) | 14:35 |
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| mtd | anybody seen an n900 that refuses to go into the waiting-for-USB-flashing mode? | 14:35 |
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| mece | SpeedEvil, apparently my friend has just the right use cases for SmartReflex to be efficient. | 14:36 |
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| mtd | holding down "u" and powering on results in normal boot; fun flasher, power off n900, plug in USB results in normal mount-as-mass-storage behaviour | 14:36 |
| mece | ooh well. I'll try it and see if it helps me. At least everything seems to be working after I enabled it. | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | hold u and plug the usb without manually powering on | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | to enter flashing mode | 14:37 |
| ShadowJK | and have flasher running before plugging in | 14:37 |
| sECuRE | is there a way to connect the n900 to a computer via USB without charging it? | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't really matter ShadowJK | 14:37 |
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| mtd | ShadowJK: yeah always done that | 14:37 |
| Termana | And make sure you have the appropriate sacrifices ready | 14:37 |
| ShadowJK | yes well, they said holding u doesn't really matter too :) | 14:38 |
| mtd | MohammadAG: thanks, not sure why I didn't try that. | 14:38 |
| mtd | ShadowJK: it does matter - not holding U made the device go into mass storage mode | 14:38 |
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| mtd | now I see the USB icon (backlight is off) | 14:38 |
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| * mtd now has to figure out why the flasher thinks there is no suitable USB device | 14:38 | |
| nidO | you're probably using win7 x64 | 14:38 |
| mtd | nidO: nope (unfort) - xp 32 | 14:39 |
| ShadowJK | but according to "them", device goes into flash mode if you plug it in when flasher is running anyway :P | 14:39 |
| mtd | ShadowJK: "they" are wrong again :) | 14:39 |
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| * mtd sighs. "Nokia N900 (Update mode)" device is "not configured correctly". FFS. | 14:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sECuRE: nope | 14:41 |
| * mtd loves windows. | 14:41 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | urghhhhhh. 2g signal....... | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | using an N900? | 14:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | yeah.... | 14:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | at the pub v v early | 14:42 |
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| MohammadAG | all calls will be forwarded to the voice mail :) | 14:43 |
| wired | mtd: what i do is connect the n900 while off without pressing anything, i run the flasher (in linux though) then remove usb and reconnect while pressing u | 14:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! :) | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | wired, don't plug it before running flasher | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | or.. | 14:43 |
| wired | MohammadAG: i think i tried that once but the linux flasher complained | 14:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmm gonna go hunt down some aspirin.... still feeling pants :( | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | hold u, plug USB, run flasher | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | the linux flasher doesn't complain as much as the windows flasher | 14:44 |
| hrw | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0tkYIWKM2g | 14:44 |
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| wired | windows... :) | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | wired, do what I said anyways | 14:45 |
| wired | well i don't want to flash anything now, but i'll give it a go when 1.2 comes out =] | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | why | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you thinl 1.2 won't be SSU? | 14:46 |
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| * lardman has never got Windows flasher to work | 14:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | well | 14:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer has never got windows to work | 14:47 | |
| lardman | lol | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:49 |
| * mtd wished the windows flasher had a switch to enumerate the USB devices it could see, or just did that by default if it didn't find a "suitable" device. | 14:50 | |
| * mtd now has windows saying the n900 is connected OK, but flasher still can't find a suitable device | 14:50 | |
| lardman | mine seemed to find it eventually, then want to install drivers, by which time the Nxxx decides there's no flashing to be done and switches to mass storage mode | 14:51 |
| Appiah | I'm getting tierd of this "insufficient power not charging" | 14:52 |
| lardman | I probably need to force the driver installation, which I guess stops part way once the flashable device vanishes and becomes mass storage | 14:52 |
| Appiah | rebooting the N900 helps.. | 14:52 |
| ShadowJK | appiah: windows? installed nokia/ovi suite? | 14:52 |
| lardman | cu later chaps | 14:53 |
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| Appiah | ShadowJK: this comp is windows yes , No suite installed | 14:53 |
| wired | DocScrutinizer: im sure i'll have to reflash at some point after messing around too much =] | 14:53 |
| Appiah | Why do I need a suite installed to charge? =/ | 14:53 |
| Appiah | works sometimes.. | 14:53 |
| ShadowJK | have you had one installed one in the past? | 14:53 |
| Appiah | nope | 14:53 |
| nidO | charging = windows needs to be able to identify the device to negotiate how much power to send | 14:54 |
| Appiah | nidO: ah ok | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | I know windows actually manages the power | 14:54 |
| wired | its windows after all | 14:54 |
| Appiah | but | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | and iirc it works worse if you have installed *suite | 14:54 |
| Appiah | does that matter if I select mass storage mode? | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | yes, it should charge in mass storage mode | 14:54 |
| wired | it wont provide power to unidentified devices BUT will allow any kind of spyware/virus/younameit | 14:54 |
| nidO | you can charge using both types. | 14:55 |
| wired | :D | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | i do that with the ps3 | 14:55 |
| Appiah | son of a ... | 14:55 |
| Appiah | charges now | 14:55 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 14:55 |
| wired | welcome to the windows world | 14:55 |
| wired | now install linux | 14:55 |
| Appiah | that I selected Mass Storage | 14:55 |
| ShadowJK | iirc there's way in windows to view available and allocated power on usb, but I Don't remember where... | 14:55 |
| wired | :P | 14:55 |
| nidO | is it charging in mass storage and not in pc suite mode? | 14:55 |
| Appiah | wired: Work comp , not mine | 14:55 |
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| wired | Appiah: thats not an excuse | 14:55 |
| nidO | if so thats normal without the suite driver | 14:55 |
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| Appiah | nidO: did not select, I never do whe I'm just charging | 14:55 |
| wired | im at work but i use gentoo, i have windows in a vbox | 14:55 |
| wired | :p | 14:55 |
| Appiah | Home I use Linux | 14:56 |
| Appiah | and just plug in usb and it charges | 14:56 |
| Appiah | but now I know why it works sometimes and sometimes not in windows | 14:56 |
| MiXu- | That's how the USB standard works. The device needs to be identified if you want full power. | 14:56 |
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| Appiah | Current State: Charging only | 14:57 |
| Appiah | WTF | 14:57 |
| Kurppa_ | Linux just sucks and doesn't follow the standards. | 14:57 |
| wired | lol | 14:57 |
| Kurppa_ | Okay. That might have been too obvious trolling. | 14:57 |
| Appiah | Kurppa_: :D | 14:57 |
| smhar | in N900, can I use maps software other than Nokia's, and will they gave destination instructions and routes instructions? | 14:59 |
| smhar | if yes. will they be using GPS for that too? | 14:59 |
| mece | hmm beta labs "nokia bots" looks nice. Perhaps one could make something similar for N900... | 15:00 |
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| mtd | MohammadAG: FWIW, now that windows updated the driver for n900 in update mode your instructions don't work to get it into update mode anymore :(. I can see the n900 update mode device appear briefly in the device manager, but then it goes away and is replaced by the mass storage device. | 15:01 |
| ShadowJK | There's sygic maps. Uses gps. Gives voice instructions. Costs money | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | works quite nicely | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | mtd, i test why i type | 15:02 |
| mtd | MohammadAG: Unfortunately I am testing it too :(. | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | mtd, emmc/fiasco? | 15:02 |
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| mtd | MohammadAG: I don't understand. My problem is getting the n900 into usb-flashing-mode, not with any particular image I'm trying to flash. | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | mtd, power off completely, hold u, plug usb and keep holding u till you see a usb icon | 15:04 |
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| mtd | MohammadAG: that's worked two of three times. I suspect a low battery is the problem now as I charged it after the failed try. | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG | well you should always charge it | 15:05 |
| mtd | MohammadAG: indeed. The thing that's unexpected is that it goes into Mass Storage mode when there is not enough power to go into USB flashing mode. | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | It wont go into flashing mode except with full battery | 15:06 |
| mtd | (...it appears). | 15:06 |
| mtd | ShadowJK: define "full battery". | 15:06 |
| nidO | >80% or so | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | mtd i think it goes into flashing mode but shuts down and boots up into charging/mass storage mode | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, it works with less than that | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | I reflashed with less than 50% | 15:07 |
| mtd | MohammadAG: seems plausible. A bit confusing. | 15:07 |
| * wired its really fun when you manage to make the n900 drain battery while connected to AC | 15:07 | |
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| MohammadAG | wired, used to do that with the N95 | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | wired: known issue - it not always detects charger. You need to check and in case just replug | 15:08 |
| wired | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but i've actually managed to make it start charging while on AC and full (green light) | 15:09 |
| wired | :) | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | wired, it doesn't keep charging when full | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG | it switches to the battery and restarts charging when it drops to a lower level | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | i think 94% | 15:10 |
| wired | hmm | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: actually it does. Just doesn't meet your idea of 'charging' | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 15:10 |
| wired | it should switch to ac usage | 15:10 |
| wired | or use the battery like a ups | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't | 15:10 |
| wired | thats plain wrong | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | wired: nope, that's plain right | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | it's easier for it to handle DC | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | than to switch to AC | 15:11 |
| wired | i don't argue that it doesn't work like that | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell wired about batteryfaq | 15:11 |
| wired | but it should keep using the ac | 15:11 |
| wired | imo | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | wired, that will 'break' the battery | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it DOES | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err? | 15:11 |
| wired | you have to decide which of the two it is | 15:12 |
| wired | :p | 15:12 |
| * MohammadAG remembers that tmo holds wrong info and waits for DocScrutinizer to explain | 15:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're right, but it's just too confusing to say 'it doesn't use AC' | 15:12 |
| nidO | it does keep using the ac to top the battery up whenever it drops below a pre-defined point, but it doesnt use the ac power directly as a passthrough power source | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | it uses AC to charge, when the battery is full it 'kills' the charger | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: exactly | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | ok, i'm not exactly good at explaining, but that's what I meant :) | 15:13 |
| wired | ok thats what i understood :) | 15:13 |
| Arkenoi | so what is the recommended community kernel today? ;-) and will it work with PR1.2? | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wired: and the cell needs that to get low wear | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | Arkenklo, using the oc'd one, thinking about going back to 600 and using t-tan's | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | so yeah, go for t-tan's | 15:14 |
| Arkenoi | nid0: as i said i found some network spots where phone discharges while plugged in charger (it consumes more that charger may provide) | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG | aka titan | 15:14 |
| wired | im using the latest titan one ocd | 15:15 |
| wired | pretty good :) | 15:15 |
| w00t_ | is it just me, or is wiki.maemo.org | 15:15 |
| w00t_ | *really* slow. | 15:15 |
| w00t_ | MohammadAG: oh, hi, i see we're on the same timezone for once :P | 15:15 |
| Arkenoi | wired: what are your impressions about battery life? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | hahaha | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | hi w00t_ | 15:15 |
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| w00t_ | MohammadAG: got time for /msg? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, it's just you :) | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 15:16 |
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| wired | Arkenoi: i installed it yesterday, so i can't tell. but in general the battery is doing good if i avoid wifi :) | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually it's a little bit more complex still - the power from USB doesn't suffice to always power the device correctly. So the regulators etc are buffered by the batery to fill in the peaks. This means the battery will *always* drain a little (of course it does even by self-discharge as well). Ergo you need to recharge the battery eventually. So the power supply is via the main battery charger (too expensive to get a separate one just to | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | bypass the battery and power directly from AC). Now cells break if you keep them at 100% all the time as that would mean you're also constantly charging to compensate the self-discharge. So it's most gentle to the cell to charge it to 100% and then switch off charger until lower threshold is reached where you restart charging to 100% | 15:23 |
| mece | fun times. | 15:23 |
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| mece | on a instructions done level the clock speed is directly connected to the amount of instructions done, right? It's completely linear. | 15:24 |
| mece | calculation x takes 1s at 1Hz. Same calculation on same processor at 2Hz takes 0.5s | 15:25 |
| javispedro | btw, while on this topic, I kinda remember someone saying that the 770 had a special r&d mode where you could boot it up without a battery | 15:25 |
| mece | javispedro, I want that on my N900 | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | my 6210 LiIon battery kept a 75% total capacity after 10 years (!) of such treatment | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a fact that's generally considered impossible | 15:26 |
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| jacekowski | mece: no | 15:26 |
| jacekowski | mece: only on architectures with 1 stage pipeline | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | mece: like 8 bit avr | 15:27 |
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| mece | jacekowski, i c. so what kind of relation are we talking about on risc? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: won't work on N900 | 15:27 |
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| jacekowski | mece: kinda random | 15:27 |
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| jacekowski | mece: you need take memory into account | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | mece: and cache hit rate | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: (clock speed) only if you don't take into account such things like memory bus transfer | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | mece: and branch prediction | 15:29 |
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| jacekowski | mece: and out of order execution | 15:29 |
| * Noobmonk3y waves | 15:29 | |
| mece | javekowski, DocScrutinizer, I'm counting on infinite speeds outside the processor, naturally. a on a 1Hz processor, everything else is pretty close to infinite speed... | 15:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | wohoooo anadin = me feel better! | 15:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | and on off 3g in the pub! | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: you're cryptic | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or mentally disordered | 15:30 |
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| visz | i have 1Hz clock speed on my wristwatch | 15:31 |
| javispedro | usually, they just say "you're drunk". | 15:31 |
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| mece | :D | 15:31 |
| visz | *drumroll* *kosh* | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | mece: then you still have things like branch prediction | 15:31 |
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| Noobmonk3y_ | lets try again! | 15:32 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | ~ping | 15:32 |
| infobot | ~pong | 15:32 |
| jcrawford | morning everyone :) | 15:32 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | ahaaaaa | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aah I missed the pub bit :-P | 15:32 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | heya | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | mece: and in case of miss you have 5 stage pipeline to flush | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | mece: which means that you've lost 5 cycles | 15:32 |
| jacekowski | 6* | 15:32 |
| mece | jacekowski, would I not have lost them if I had my processor at 1Hz? | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's all nice and true, but unrelated to nonlinear relation between clockspeed and execution speed | 15:33 |
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| mece | those 6 lost cycles would take half the time on 2Hz, so that still seems linear to me. | 15:34 |
| jacekowski | yes | 15:34 |
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| jacekowski | i was thinking that you were asking about instructions per cycle | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: as long as peripheral IO & memory access << cmd execution time, you got a 1/1 relation | 15:35 |
| mece | hey were are the post remove scripts for apt? this package has some problems in the script, most likely a bashism.. | 15:35 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, thank you, that's what I was thinking. | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I think it holds true even for '<', not only for '<<' | 15:37 |
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| jacekowski | what's a difference between < and << | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | less vs much-less than | 15:38 |
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| toggles_w | lol | 15:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: also - on a slower processor (related to the speed of the process) there may be less pipelines, as there is more done in logic not microcode or other stages | 15:40 |
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| mece | is there a way to get error messages from post removal scripts? | 15:46 |
| mece | I don't know where the error pops up.. | 15:46 |
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| joker_89 | anyone uses json? | 15:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 15:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000ps | 15:56 |
| noobmonk3y | think i just dc'd Mo | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~seen arif_ | 15:58 |
| infobot | arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 1h 3m 55s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. | 15:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | 3days ago, wow | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sad | 16:02 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks - http://static.pixelpipe.com/aebc0d0e-27fa-4de3-b116-8ab9eefba5fd_m.jpg - company at the n900 meetup! | 16:04 | |
| noobmonk3y | just no n900 i fear! | 16:04 |
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| toggles_w | fosters? for real? | 16:04 |
| nidO | looks more like coke | 16:05 |
| noobmonk3y | coke in a fosters glass! | 16:05 |
| nidO | in a fosters glass | 16:05 |
| nidO | \o/ | 16:05 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 16:05 |
| noobmonk3y | 10 points nidO | 16:05 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 16:05 |
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| toggles_w | lucky | 16:05 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm a live vid stream could be interesting :P | 16:05 |
| nidO | set it up | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | qik does it doesnt it? or does pixel pipe? | 16:06 |
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| nidO | qik will do vid streams afaik | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm better go find it :P | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | ovi store i think | 16:06 |
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| E0x | hello | 16:06 |
| nidO | http://store.ovi.com/content/22132?clickSource=browse&contentArea=applications | 16:06 |
| E0x | i am new user of n900 , look good so far | 16:06 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 16:07 |
| noobmonk3y | I r old fat user of n900 - about to video stream if i can get it working | 16:07 |
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| noobmonk3y | dloading :D | 16:08 |
| noobmonk3y | slowly :( | 16:09 |
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| E0x | i use #131# for get my balance , but say incorrect number | 16:09 |
| nidO | get the ussd widget from extras | 16:09 |
| nidO | or wait for the next phone update | 16:09 |
| E0x | ok , thx | 16:09 |
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| Treibholz | any idea, why the cfq-scheduler is used instead of noop? | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | someone at Nokia did some performance tests maybe? | 16:11 |
| hrw | Treibholz: cfq is default | 16:11 |
| Treibholz | hrw: but why? on a flash-drive it's not usefull. | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | kathy arrived | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | brb looking at quik | 16:12 |
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| * crashanddie_ prods lcuk harder. | 16:16 | |
| crashanddie_ | He knows he likes it | 16:16 |
| crashanddie_ | wtf | 16:16 |
| crashanddie_ | I get a very lame phishing attempt | 16:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | From: Fedex Online Service, Subject: "You Have A Package" Body: Please provide the following information: Full name, telephone, postal address, city, state, occupation, country to onlineservice@yahoo.com | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: [nickserv] You have been deauthenticated. Please re-enter password: | 16:17 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: ******** | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: never miss the opportunity to fill the phisherman's database with utter crap | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | '); DROP TABLE emails; ? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehehehheeee | 16:21 |
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| crashanddie_ | timeless: ever noticed locationd using loads of bandwidth? | 16:22 |
| crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles: ^ | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: tcpdump? | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "// locationd, (C) China Ministry of Knowledge Accquisition" | 16:24 |
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| javispedro | wheaterd, (C) China Ministry of Weather Control? | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | interesting | 16:28 |
| crashanddie_ | I blocked a locationd using littlesnitch | 16:28 |
| crashanddie_ | and as soon as I did, GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent asked for a connection, denied it again, and then locationd tried to connect to some Google domain... | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | TTFF halved? | 16:29 |
| crashanddie_ | eh? | 16:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | what does GPS have to do with this? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek, NOW I finally realize what you're talking bout | 16:30 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: lol, locationd on a mac | 16:30 |
| crashanddie_ | not n900 | 16:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, littlesnitch made me wonder... | 16:31 |
| andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: looks like about 50 percent of people like my last blog post and 50 didn't | 16:31 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack_: i thumbed it up as in i liked it and thought it was hitting the spot | 16:32 |
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| delor | how to check libqt4-core version which is installed on N900 | 16:33 |
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| hrw | "dpkg -l libqt4-core" | 16:34 |
| crashanddie_ | andrewfblack_: what stskeeps said | 16:35 |
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| delor | can this be resolved: "blubbels: Depends: libqt4-core (>= 4.6.2~git20100224) but 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 is to be installed" | 16:36 |
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| andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: Going to be a follow up post on it today. Also did you see the comments on my blog one guy basicly said that N900 is a main stream phone so there are mainstream demands for stuff. I'm sorry I didn't know that because someone gave Nokia $600 that I was suppose to spend my time doing what ever they wanted. | 16:36 |
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| andrewfblack_ | thanks crashanddie_ | 16:36 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack_: didn't see comments | 16:37 |
| Wizzup | Is there a kbdd for n900? | 16:38 |
| andrewfblack_ | Everytime I release a blog post to maemo.org I get 30 or 40 spam comments I have to go and delete lol | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | pagerank baby ;) | 16:39 |
| delor | hrw: thx | 16:39 |
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| kamui | dude | 16:40 |
| kamui | I think I have to reflash | 16:40 |
| kamui | that pr1.1.1 update was never properly installed | 16:41 |
| * andrewfblack_ thanks x-fade is selling my blog addres to spammers : ) | 16:41 | |
| kamui | it still shows in my list | 16:41 |
| kamui | I ended up doing the "upgrade" via dist-upgrade | 16:41 |
| kamui | epic fail | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | andrewfblack_: No, you are linked from a high ranking site so that makes it interesting for spammers. | 16:41 |
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| * javispedro sees x-fade and evilly pokes him about bug #9825 | 16:41 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9825 Cannot upload screenshot ("Edit" is grayed) | 16:41 |
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| kamui | does the backup utility save my apt repositories and restore my repo installed apps? | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: poked bergie about that. | 16:41 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: danke schön. | 16:42 |
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| javispedro | ;) | 16:42 |
| andrewfblack_ | X-Fade: I know just messing with you, you would like since not 1 spam comment has ever made it on my site they would stop it lol. But I guess computers don't think | 16:42 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: result of the change I needed to make when someone renamed Maemo5 to 'Peter N900' ;) | 16:42 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I wish I had been there just to make an screenshot of that | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: At times like that I like the fact that we have RCS in the CMS. | 16:43 |
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| * javispedro ponders why "Peter" doesn't also try to replace all of the community council members with "Peter's Democratic Council" :) | 16:44 | |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Weird thing was that the user who did this wasn't named peter ;) | 16:44 |
| * Wizzup sighs... Freedom Keyboard doesn't appear to be so Freedom oriented as the name implies | 16:45 | |
| Stskeeps | it has to smell of gnu before it's free enough | 16:46 |
| javispedro | and a beard! | 16:46 |
| javispedro | don't forget the beard. | 16:46 |
| Wizzup | more like, there's only windows + blueberry driver | 16:46 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: btw aren't you just plain waiting for the zealots to read qgil's words about the GPL3 and MeeGo? I am already making popcorn! :) | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: i thought we already had that discussion | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:47 |
| * javispedro must have been asleep that day | 16:48 | |
| * Stskeeps has known of this for very long time | 16:48 | |
| Wizzup | ff koffie | 16:49 |
| Wizzup | oops,wrong chan | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | Wizzup: Get me some too ;) | 16:49 |
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| Wizzup | ;-) | 16:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: So all of the capacities expressed are not real - but are integrated voltages across the shunt? | 16:51 |
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| anotnac | i will put up a early £100 bounty for the 1st person to jailbreak a locked meego device when they are out | 16:53 |
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| * noobmonk3y waves from the n900 meetup | 16:54 | |
| frals | what kind of widget is the one you see at the top of the contacts app menu where you can choose "ABC | Availability | Recent"? | 16:54 |
| * frals waves to noobmonk3y from .se | 16:55 | |
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| iPeter- | Hey.. | 16:55 |
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| lcuk | anotmac? boot unsigned kernal anytime afk | 16:55 |
| iPeter- | "export GYP_GENERATORS=make" What does this mean? On terminal or wher (maemo sdk) | 16:55 |
| lcuk | afaik | 16:55 |
| * frals waves to noobmonk3y again to see if he drops again | 16:55 | |
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| anotnac | its starting seem more like android model than maemo all this meego stuff is | 16:57 |
| javispedro | frals: iirc a plain toggle button. when you add toggle buttons to the app menu some magic is applied | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, whole think cracks me up. | 16:58 |
| frals | javispedro: ok, cheers | 16:58 |
| javispedro | frals: that should be documented in libhildon docs, probably the menu part | 16:58 |
| frals | yeah looking at the ref manual now | 16:59 |
| * GAN900 just wishes qgil would stop pretending so hard with the bs line about everything being all openness and ponies. | 16:59 | |
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| * javispedro is not up to date to these issues... weren't bash and gcc already gpl3? | 16:59 | |
| GAN900 | Expectations have always been this platform's killer. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: nop | 17:00 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, summary: we're screwed. Nokia's insistence on their own stupid differentiation is going to hurt the platform and hurt the brand. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: well, you also have to consider he's hired to pressure on the inside | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yes, everything os uVh or uV | 17:01 |
| iPeter- | Is there any own maemo sdk channell? | 17:01 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, yeah, well, it aint really working. ;) | 17:01 |
| ShadowJK | is* | 17:01 |
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| anotnac | atleast theres one good thing in May at last i'll get to see gordan brown cry on TV | 17:02 |
| javispedro | hum. bash4 seems to be gpl3 at least :P | 17:02 |
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| javispedro | then again I guess they don't need it at all in the tablet ux at least. | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: yeah, i do wonder about some things.. | 17:03 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, the MeeGo UX grabbag | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | Yet another reason why MeeGo's a mess | 17:03 |
| GAN900 | It's be even better if they call Harmattan a Ux | 17:04 |
| javispedro | to me the MeeGo stuff is pretty clear (ignoring marketing related stuff) -- they wanted a proper distro and got it. | 17:04 |
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| GAN900 | That way we can bundle as much platform stuff into the UX as possible for the most efficient confusion. | 17:04 |
| * GAN900 likes it as a way for Nokia to get rid of the pesky open source stuff and focus on their own proprietary crap. | 17:06 | |
| iPeter- | hey, what is gclient? Im trying to build chromium for n900 and im missing gclient | 17:06 |
| javispedro | iPeter-: you tell us, should be documented in the required chromium build-deps. | 17:06 |
| anotnac | is the crossplatform dream real considering different Vendors will all be adding there own closed API's and messing it up | 17:07 |
| iPeter- | Hmm. this seems to be hard to do :< | 17:07 |
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| crs | Hi there. I have seen once a nice n900 reflashing howto. I want to proceed now but I can't find it anymore. Can anyone provide me with a link? | 17:11 |
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| X-Fade | ~flashing | 17:11 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:11 |
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| crs | X-Fade: Thank you! | 17:11 |
| X-Fade | crs: The bot knows at least ;) | 17:12 |
| crs | :) | 17:12 |
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| crs | Not a bad bot he is. :) | 17:12 |
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| crs | OK, I am going to reread it and flash my PR.100 ;/ | 17:12 |
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| jacekowski | anybody familiar with building apps in scratchbox? | 17:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms | 17:13 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Reboot during a call | 17:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | <3 Nokia | 17:13 |
| satmd | :) | 17:13 |
| jacekowski | what sort of cpu-transparency i need in scratchbox for n900 | 17:13 |
| javispedro | the evil one | 17:14 |
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| javispedro | for the FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb | 17:14 |
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| crs | X-Fade: The very first chapter of that howto says what is backuped by backup app. It does not mention anything about contacts and conversations. Are those backuped as well? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | crs: yes. | 17:15 |
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| X-Fade | crs: All data for the default apps gets backuped nicely. | 17:16 |
| crs | X-Fade: Thanks, that was more just for reassureing :) | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | crs: I flash multiple times a week sometimes on my primary device and never lost anything. | 17:17 |
| noobmonk3y | are your ears burning frals? | 17:17 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: ? :+ | 17:17 |
| noobmonk3y | kathy and i sitting here talking about how good fmms is :D | 17:17 |
| crs | X-Fade: Thanks. :) | 17:18 |
| frals | lol | 17:18 |
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| frals | now they are ;) | 17:18 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, say hi to kathy | 17:18 |
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| frals | and say hi to kathy ;) | 17:18 |
| noobmonk3y | she says hi to all :) | 17:18 |
| noobmonk3y | we are now playing with liqflow | 17:18 |
| noobmonk3y | well kathy is hitting the table :P | 17:18 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:18 |
| lcuk | tell her ive got a big touchscreen device now | 17:18 |
| lcuk | and ill put liqflow on it asap ;) | 17:18 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: port liqflow to the ipad and get rich! | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | iped? why restrict to such a tiny subset of touch devices :) | 17:21 |
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| lcuk | ipad | 17:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | back | 17:23 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry wifi is painful here | 17:23 |
| anotnac | ipads been blowing up or something | 17:24 |
| Appiah | huh? | 17:24 |
| anotnac | not blowing up but theres charging and app failure problems | 17:24 |
| anotnac | lol | 17:24 |
| noobmonk3y | everyone is trying to find liqflow | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: SUUUPER | 17:25 |
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| anotnac | just proves its not only nokia that as launch problems, Apple have them everytime but ppl ignore it when its them | 17:25 |
| anotnac | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7088939.ece | 17:25 |
| iPeter- | is here anyone who could help to compile Chromium for maemo5 arm? | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: well, let me put it this way: better than device freeze while calling a 0900 number at 15bucks/minute ;-P | 17:26 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, hehe. | 17:26 |
| javispedro | anotnac: not really, that's just the apple product launch timeline at work. always happens. | 17:26 |
| * noobmonk3y grins | 17:27 | |
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| noobmonk3y | 3 liqflows - waiting on the 4th | 17:27 |
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| andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: Just posted my follow up to rant, its twice as long as rant but I tried to write it so it wasn't a rant it self | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | lol noobmonk3y you got 4 devices there tho? | 17:32 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 17:33 |
| noobmonk3y | just uploading video | 17:33 |
| lcuk | :D | 17:33 |
| lcuk | yt? | 17:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | brb bluetooth issues | 17:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Ah. It turned out that I installed lighting in the greenhouse, rather than doing the psu thingy today. | 17:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | grrrrrrrr ro wifi | 17:43 |
| noobmonk3y | uploading 13mb vid now | 17:43 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, should be a few mins | 17:43 |
| noobmonk3y | couldnt get qik doing a live vidcast.... | 17:43 |
| hrw | E0x: Couldn't find package powertop | 17:44 |
| hrw | Nokia-N900-:~# | 17:44 |
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| hrw | powertop is only in sdk repo? | 17:45 |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 17:45 | |
| evilrob | so has anyone used sygic mobile maps? I'm contemplating a purchase, but I'm not sure | 17:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have not. | 17:48 |
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| Stskeeps | evilrob: i use it and i like it | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I am wondering on the near-term impact of free maps being released for the UK | 17:48 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | (from the ordnance survey. | 17:48 |
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| frals | firefox wants me to install apple quicktiem to watch that :[ | 17:49 |
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| RevdKathy | hello! | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | lo RevdKathy | 17:49 |
| evilrob | hmmm... I wonder about the US POI db. I emailed them asking for a 30-day eval. not holding my breath | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hey, Kathy. | 17:50 |
| frals | RevdKathy o/ | 17:50 |
| RevdKathy | can people hear me? | 17:50 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo wow | 17:50 |
| * GeneralAntilles books travel arrangements to harass Intel people in SF. | 17:50 | |
| noobmonk3y | katthy says hi | 17:50 |
| noobmonk3y | whilst she learns how to type | 17:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | peeps - video of liqflow at our n900 here - http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c | 17:51 |
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| RevdKathy | I can type but have forgotten my irc nick password | 17:51 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 17:51 |
| noobmonk3y | she is real i promise i can see her! | 17:51 |
| RevdKathy | so I thought I'd be mute | 17:51 |
| andrewfblack_ | To bad themes are not really considered code or I would summit a theme idea for GSOC | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, you can recover. ;) | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | how to install something in arm scratchbox with cpu transparency enabled | 17:52 |
| RevdKathy | How? | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, /msg nickserv help | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | apt-get install subversion gives me message that it needs root privileges | 17:52 |
| Appiah | rootsh | 17:53 |
| Appiah | or sudo gainroot | 17:53 |
| * noobmonk3y prods lcuk | 17:53 | |
| RevdKathy | ahh thanks! will do that when I get home! | 17:53 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, i hope you brought bears with you!!! noobmonk3y tried 3 bowls of poridge this morning - one was too hot, one was too cold, the other was just right | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | duso doesn't work | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | sudo* | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, or do you still have to talk to a staffer. . . . | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | sudo gives me message that it has to be setuid | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | ( and it is ) | 17:53 |
| RevdKathy | the only bears are in my wallpaper | 17:53 |
| frals | jacekowski: fakeroot? | 17:53 |
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| red | jacekowski: type sudo gainroot | 17:54 |
| frals | eg fakeroot apt-get install xxx | 17:54 |
| red | but install rootsh package first from app manager | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | sudo: must be setuid root | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | it's scratchbox | 17:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | RevdKathy, ah, yeah, gotta talk to a staffer. | 17:54 |
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| red | okk | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | and i suppose emulation isn't working perfectly | 17:54 |
| red | ohh* | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | fakeroot works | 17:55 |
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| andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: Rant Follow up on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ now | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack_: will read when i don't have a headache | 17:56 |
| RevdKathy | hey lcuk! did you see our liqflow vid? | 17:56 |
| andrewfblack_ | Stskeeps: ok yeah 2000 words might make it worse lol | 17:56 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | lol, Khertan. . . . | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Talk about burnout. | 17:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Andrewfblack, the font size and color are cruel. :P | 17:57 |
| andrewfblack_ | GeneralAntilles: yeah need to play with it some | 17:57 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, not yet, working | 17:59 |
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| RevdKathy | so I gather! | 18:00 |
| RevdKathy | we just discovered that irc buzzes if you mention my name | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, :) indeed it does | 18:02 |
| noobmonk3y | RevdKathy, buzz buzz | 18:02 |
| RevdKathy | nifty! It even knows when I'm looking at it and not to bother! | 18:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Ok - this discharge - again no updated cap - but watchdog seemingly kicked in for low voltage at just under 3330mV. - for a total of 14h GPS logging. from 1322 reported to 460, or 862mAh. | 18:05 |
| noobmonk3y | second video with people in it being uploaded! | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure they're not pod people? | 18:05 |
| noobmonk3y | pod people? | 18:06 |
| RevdKathy | no, I'm god people not pod people! | 18:07 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders if pod people have souls. | 18:11 | |
| noobmonk3y | http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4abb-40bc-8568-1a3afa167ff5 | 18:11 |
| noobmonk3y | Latest video with people in it!! :D wohooooooo | 18:11 |
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| nidO | ugh why quicktime :( | 18:12 |
| noobmonk3y | pixelpipe :( | 18:12 |
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| anotnac | nokia making a big tablet these seem to think it will be windows based b/c they think meego wont be out but we know it will be, what you guys think http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/06/is-nokia-working-on-booklet-touch-windows-7-based-tablet/ | 18:12 |
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| anotnac | they just guessing at the OS | 18:13 |
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| noobmonk3y | battery on lappy dying - bye alls :D | 18:14 |
| nidO | I would think if theyre aiming for an autumn release, theyd be shooting to put meego on it | 18:14 |
| anotnac | thats what i just put in comment on there | 18:14 |
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| RevdKathy | wifi a bit lumpy here! | 18:15 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y's been moaning about that for the past few hours :> | 18:15 |
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| RevdKathy | he's demo-ing how long his battery lasts now | 18:16 |
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| anotnac | i wish nokia would leak some meego/maemo stuff like they do with symbian to create a buzz, i hate it when its quiet in the hardware space | 18:17 |
| * javispedro wonders why the openttd repo had to be down _today_ that I decided to look at upgrading my ugly packaging | 18:17 | |
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| achipa | anotnac: technically, it *is* in time for MeeGo, the notebook UX has an earlier release date than the phone one | 18:21 |
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| achipa | anotnac: fremantle and harmattan are, however, very unlikely as they are both resolution-limited | 18:23 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I really like how those figures look when redone for RS=20 :D | 18:24 |
| anotnac | i'm will to take bets on the chip sets already, who thinks atom on a big tablet | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: perhaps, yes | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | anotnac: I think pentium pro. | 18:24 |
| anotnac | lol | 18:24 |
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| anotnac | only giving evens b/c its written in the stars | 18:26 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 18:28 |
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| tahitibob35 | salut ! | 18:28 |
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| Khertan | Does libglew is available on fremantle ? | 18:29 |
| Khertan | Salut tahitibob35 | 18:29 |
| Khertan | tres efficace roadrunner ... ca ma sauver 3 points :) | 18:29 |
| Khertan | merci | 18:29 |
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| tahitibob35 | merci à toi pour tes thumbs up | 18:31 |
| Khertan | merci à toi pour cette applis trés utile ! | 18:32 |
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| Khertan | tahitibob35, ou as tu récupérer la liste des radars ? | 18:37 |
| tahitibob35 | alertegps.com, mais obsolete depuis novembre(payant), mieux faut trouver un gpx plus à jour et l'installer manuellement | 18:38 |
| Khertan | cepandant c'est pas mal a jour, des endroits bien discret que j'ai deja vu utiliser par des jumelles sur des departemental pommé sont bien signalé :) | 18:39 |
| Khertan | cepandant, j'imagine que ca se trouve facilement une version plus à jour :)à | 18:40 |
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| tahitibob35 | oui, http://www.scdb.info, gpspassion, www.gps-waypoints.net | 18:42 |
| mangei | hi, on which devices does maemo run at the moment? | 18:42 |
| Lumpio- | Sacre bleu! | 18:42 |
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| mangei | i only heard about the Nokia N900 | 18:43 |
| Khertan | Nokia 770, Nokia n800, Nokia n810, Nokia n900 depends on which version you want be able to use of Maemo | 18:43 |
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| mangei | The n900 is the newest one, isn't it? | 18:43 |
| Khertan | only the n900 is able to run Fremantle Aka Maemo 5 | 18:43 |
| Khertan | mangei, right | 18:43 |
| mangei | Today i heard about the new operating system called MeeGo... | 18:44 |
| mangei | will this os be available for the n900 | 18:44 |
| mangei | or is there an upgrade function? | 18:44 |
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| Khertan | noone know if a user version will really exist one day for n90 | 18:45 |
| Khertan | n900 | 18:46 |
| Khertan | but the first dev release work on it :) | 18:46 |
| Khertan | but all you ll get is a base OS, no GUI, nothing except a black and white terminal | 18:46 |
| ShadowJK | That's the "Day 1" release of MeeGo :) | 18:47 |
| ShadowJK | first day of development ;) | 18:47 |
| mangei | yeah.. at the moment.. for the dev-version.. i read the mail :) | 18:47 |
| javispedro | imagine what the Day 7 release will bring | 18:47 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro, xeyes!? | 18:47 |
| javispedro | $DEITY is furious | 18:48 |
| mangei | and when will be the Day 7..? :P | 18:48 |
| andrewfblack_ | GeneralAntilles: there you go my blog should be a little easyer on the eyes | 18:48 |
| mangei | currently i think about buying a new mobile/smart phone.. | 18:50 |
| mangei | i think about Android or Maemo (MeeGo) ... | 18:50 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK, of course | 18:50 |
| mangei | a quite interessting decision for me | 18:51 |
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| Khertan | Mangei depends on what you want to do with you device | 18:51 |
| Khertan | if you are a python dev ... i cannot suggest something else than Maemo :) | 18:52 |
| mangei | what are the advantiges and disadvantiges of those? | 18:52 |
| mangei | and if you are a C-programmer -> also Maemo | 18:53 |
| mangei | can you advice the N900? | 18:54 |
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| E0x | the app manager use the proxy setting too right ? | 19:04 |
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| andrewfblack_ | its amazing how many thumb downs I am getting this week on Planet. :) | 19:06 |
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| Noobmonk3y | off back to butlins i go! | 19:07 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :( any reason why? | 19:08 |
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| frals | god testing is the boring part of coding | 19:17 |
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| mortal | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ wow | 19:23 |
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| toggles_w | whoa! | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | frals, but the most important and sometimes difficult part | 19:29 |
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| frals | yeah :< | 19:29 |
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| frals | getting pretty lazy with regression testing of fmms thou | 19:30 |
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| lcuk | frals, do you have your testcases documented | 19:30 |
| frals | * send MMS * receive MMS | 19:31 |
| frals | ;D | 19:31 |
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| frals | no, not really... guess i should do that and let someone else run the tests... hmm | 19:31 |
| frals | youre on to something there! ;) | 19:31 |
| lcuk | :) | 19:31 |
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| Zeddy | i took my girlfriends nokia charger which is also mini-usb and plugged my n900 to the laptop, are there some differences between these usb cables? Since the phone wont let me use it as storage or pc suite mode with this cable | 19:37 |
| Zeddy | her charger came with one of the first xpress music models | 19:37 |
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| mangei | can i use the N900 vertically? or just horizontal? | 19:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, Khertan. :) | 19:41 |
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| slonopotamus | err... | 19:42 |
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| ShadowJK | Zeddy, well you've got a problem if you managed to jam a microusb cable into N900, because N900 has microusb receptable :P | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | how i specify smtp server in fremantle modest without link to particular connection? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | N900 has micro-USB and a standard cable | 19:43 |
| ShadowJK | jam a miniusb into n900 I mean... heh | 19:43 |
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| Zeddy | what lol | 19:46 |
| Zeddy | microusb it is.. | 19:46 |
| Zeddy | atleast it charges the phone | 19:46 |
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| Zeddy | but shouldn't it be a standard.. | 19:47 |
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| Zeddy | What the hell | 19:50 |
| Zeddy | i just tried using another laptop | 19:50 |
| Zeddy | the phone just threw an error message at me telling me its unable to charge the battery since theres not enough power to go about :D | 19:50 |
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| SWFu | I get that alot. | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Zeddy: so blame the laptop, not the phone | 19:51 |
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| crs | X-Fade: Thanks for help. Have finished flashing some time ago. All is working very fine except for restoring settings from backup so i have had to move stuff on desktops again. Not a big problem. All is working. Lets see if it is gonna slow down after few days of uptime. | 19:52 |
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| mangei | can i use all maemo apps in portrait and widescreenmode? | 20:02 |
| mangei | or how does it work? | 20:02 |
| Khertan | Hi GeneralAntilles | 20:03 |
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| Jef91 | is there an easy way I can free up some rootfs space? | 20:04 |
| javispedro | mangei: no, you can't use all apps in portrait mode. you can use all apps in landscape, though. | 20:04 |
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| Zeddy | hha | 20:05 |
| Zeddy | once i removed my mmc it started working perfectly | 20:05 |
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| Zeddy | what the hell. | 20:05 |
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| mangei | and what's with the basic applications like contacts, sms,...? run these apps in both modes? | 20:06 |
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| Wappinger | i have some issue with the rotation when i'm on call with someone and when i want to end the call. it start rotating and it takes me time to end the call. :( Do someone have a solution? | 20:07 |
| javispedro | mangei: no | 20:07 |
| javispedro | mangei: only dialer, photo viewer, browser, and some third party apps. | 20:08 |
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| Jef91 | mangei Just the phone | 20:08 |
| mangei | ok, thanks | 20:09 |
| frosty` | Wappinger: ive got the same problem, its pretty frustrating | 20:10 |
| Jef91 | my rootfs is full from just installing applications from extras - aren't those all suppose to beopted to be in there? | 20:10 |
| microlith | Jef91: if you know of a package in extras that isn't optified, post a bug | 20:10 |
| Jef91 | microlith is there anyway I can tell which one isn't? I was installing a whole bunch and I went from 40megs open to 0 :-/ | 20:11 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/06/another-job-change/ | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: congratuations! | 20:12 |
| hrw | thx | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | +l | 20:13 |
| _llll_ | Jef91: should be obvious from the files. 'dpkg -S file' should also help identify the package (although i didnt test if this works on maemo, presumabyl it does but who knows) | 20:13 |
| Jef91 | thanks _llll_ I'll have to sort through that later. the way rootfs is setup on the n900 is it's biggest draw back | 20:15 |
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| _llll_ | it's a draw back certaionly | 20:16 |
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| _llll_ | the whole vfat/ext3 split thing pretty annoying really, but *shrug*, not like it really matters | 20:16 |
| Jef91 | _llll_ that bothers be a whole lot lessthan rootfs being stuck size. They shouldhave put the whole thing in the two gigs | 20:17 |
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| Tuxprobe | Hello everyone!! | 20:18 |
| Tuxprobe | Anyone interested in joining my quests in producing a tvguide for N900??? | 20:18 |
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| Tuxprobe | see https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xml-tvguide/ | 20:18 |
| Tuxprobe | its close to useable, still needs a few updates in the gui parts - and goal is to create a home-plugin with only current and upcoming airings | 20:18 |
| Tuxprobe | besides that, translations needs to be implemented and if requests are plentyful enough, xmltv grabbers should be implemented as well | 20:18 |
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| Tuxprobe | so, if you have any experience in xmltv feed construction or want to take part in translations, answer in the forums 'developers' section for xml-tvguide project!! | 20:18 |
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| Wappinger | frosty` did you try when you go in "phone" application, you have on top "Phone" => "Turning Control" => and Display Orientation set to "Portrait" ??? It was set to "Automatic" for me, i'll try "Portrait" | 20:24 |
| frosty` | Wappinger: turning control just uses the hardware to determine if it should go to phone mode when you turn it upright.. i dont think it affects during the call | 20:25 |
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| ech0Asus | i want moblock on my n900 | 20:28 |
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| matthew_ | ok ech0Asus; i want so many things ;d | 20:29 |
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| ech0Asus | i figure i could get the terminal based part workin just not the graphic controller :( | 20:29 |
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| ralphn900 | hi, I followed the wiki on maemo.org to get here. I was wondering if there is a way to sync Thunderbird/Lightning on XP with the N900 contacts/calendar over the network? | 20:30 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Hmmm, is there any way to check the status/strength of the gprs connection? | 20:32 |
| Wappinger | frosty` it works | 20:32 |
| Gizmokid2005 | It seems that my N900 can't keep a connection to my provider right now, whereas my E71x has no troubles..hate to think this was hardware. | 20:32 |
| ech0Asus | maybe healthcheck but im not sure | 20:32 |
| frosty` | i was going to say healthcheck might, yeah | 20:33 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ahh right. | 20:33 |
| Gizmokid2005 | checking | 20:33 |
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| balazsbela | hey all | 20:33 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yeah...phone signal gives me -0dBm | 20:34 |
| ech0Asus | would it show any of that info in iwconfig? | 20:34 |
| balazsbela | anyone interested in my GSoC application ? | 20:34 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ech0Asus: not sure. There is lo, wmaster0, wlan0, and phonet0 | 20:35 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | ofc wlan0 is connected and up. but the other 3 give me "no wireless extensions" | 20:35 |
| ech0Asus | i'd think phonet0 might be it | 20:35 |
| Gizmokid2005 | same here. | 20:35 |
| Gizmokid2005 | but it's showing nothing. Already rebooted twice, and pulled the sim. | 20:35 |
| ech0Asus | weird, dunno how 3g works lol | 20:36 |
| Gizmokid2005 | can't get 3G since I'm on AT&T | 20:36 |
| ech0Asus | i don't understand that.. does at&t own their own frequency or nokia just don't want to support them? | 20:37 |
| Gizmokid2005 | nokia just didn't add the right radio to support their 3G frequencies in the N900 | 20:37 |
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| ech0Asus | ah, wonder if that could be hacked in somehow lol | 20:38 |
| ech0Asus | prolly hardware thing though huh? | 20:38 |
| Gizmokid2005 | AT&T has the 850/1900 combo and T-mo has the 1700/2100 | 20:38 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yeah...I'm pretty sure it's hardware | 20:38 |
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| ech0Asus | i still haven't got fMMS set up properly lol | 20:39 |
| Gizmokid2005 | me neither | 20:39 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I can't get it to work on AT&T to save my life. | 20:39 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I do get the push sms for mms now, but I can't get it to DL or send the MMS | 20:39 |
| ech0Asus | i have tried every setting on the wiki lol | 20:39 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | yep. | 20:39 |
| ech0Asus | for tmo and nada... error every time | 20:39 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yeah. | 20:39 |
| ech0Asus | i recieve them.. can't open them rofl | 20:40 |
| Gizmokid2005 | and now I've got this with my N900...it just doesn't make sense...my E71x works fine. | 20:40 |
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| ech0Asus | perhaps interferance from the e71x, try turning it off and see if the n900 does better. | 20:41 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it's never on. | 20:42 |
| ech0Asus | then i dunno lol | 20:42 |
| Gizmokid2005 | that's the thing, it sits in my desk drawer with the battery out since I use my N900. | 20:42 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | my N900 has been in once already for dust under the screen though...and it has to go in again, it's worse this time...I'd just hate to think this was/is a hardware thing. | 20:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I hate not being able to use my n900... | 20:43 |
| ech0Asus | only major issue i had with mine was some app draining my battery really fast | 20:43 |
| ech0Asus | but haven't had it that long | 20:43 |
| ech0Asus | stay away from testing apps | 20:43 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 20:43 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | lol, I've had mine since december. Been through my fair share of extras and extras-devel apps that sucked and/or drained the battery. | 20:44 |
| ech0Asus | yeah lol it scared me | 20:44 |
| ech0Asus | i think joikuspot killed my wall charger | 20:45 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ouch...how? | 20:45 |
| ech0Asus | it made my n900 really hot | 20:45 |
| ech0Asus | then my charger wouldn't work after that | 20:45 |
| ech0Asus | was plugged in cause joikuspot drains battery.. | 20:45 |
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| ech0Asus | i use the usb cable to charge now.. still haven't got a new charger | 20:45 |
| Gizmokid2005 | right, I wouldn't use joikuspot W/O being plugged in. | 20:45 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I haven't bought joikuspot | 20:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I've heard good things...but | 20:46 |
| ech0Asus | even the new version makes ur n900 hot | 20:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I don't doubt it. | 20:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | it's running both radios at the same time. | 20:46 |
| ech0Asus | i don't see why it cost money though when wicd can do adhoc.. | 20:46 |
| ech0Asus | commercial stuff meh | 20:47 |
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| corecode | really? 1300 posts about overclocking? | 20:48 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Is there any good way to do a video screen capture on the n900? | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: N900 can't do 3G on the non-standard 850/1900 frequencies. You'll be restricted to 2G/GPRS/EDGE. If you're on a carrier that doesn't provide 2G then you're out of luck. Also you need to set modem to 'dual' or '2G' | 20:51 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yep, back on my E71, I get full service in the same spot my N900 was failing. | 20:51 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: I know about 3G. Known about that for a long time | 20:51 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | but just today, this afternoon, it stopped connecting to the cell network at all. | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can place calls? | 20:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | nope | 20:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | can't receive them, same for texting | 20:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | but the same SIM works in my old E71x. | 20:53 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I noticed this same thing happened yesterday, but just once, and only for a minute, then it worked normally. Now it's just completely dead to the cell network. | 20:53 |
| * Noobmonk3y is almost back at butlins :) | 20:54 | |
| ShadowJK | corecode, it's mostly like this <post X> here's a kerenl for 900 Mhz </post> <post x+1> thanks! </post> <post x+2> Where's the 900MHz kernel? Help! I've looked EVERYWHERE! </post> <post x+3,x+4,x+5,...,x+6> It's at post x </post | 20:54 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | 1.2Ghz N900, hai! | 20:54 |
| Scelt | Gadgetoid_mbp: pr1.2?!? | 20:55 |
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| ShadowJK | I think he meant 1200MHz | 20:55 |
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| Scelt | ShadowJK: these times we have a highlight for 1.2 | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | frigging idiocy | 20:55 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Yeah, I'm thinking I should move to iceland so I can run at 1200mhz | 20:56 |
| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: unless you have other ideas, or of things I can check, I do believe that either my SIM is going bad, or my N900 has a hardware failure... | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, what I worry most is that these people will start claiming warranty once their N900 dies, and then nokia will impose new DRM measures on us so we can't run our own kernels anymore so that they don't have to pay for these idiots | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: check your phone settings | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | It's not about the temperature :) | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: no other ideas beyond that | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | though it makes it somewhat worse... | 20:56 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: Is it even possible to retrospectively add DRM to an open platform? | 20:56 |
| korhojoa | ShadowJK: yeah. i'm wondering if there's a way to check what they've been running | 20:57 |
| ShadowJK | Gadgetoid_mbp, I mean for the next device obviously | 20:57 |
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| korhojoa | i mean, i guess it won't show what's wrong if you flash it back to stock | 20:57 |
| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: anything in particular i should be checking? | 20:57 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | ShadowJK: next device? that's optimistic! | 20:57 |
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| korhojoa | the n910 ? | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: N900 isn't really open. There's NOLO | 20:58 |
| dmj726_n900 | I don't see many actually overclocking their n900. | 20:58 |
| Zeddy | is it possible to design the ui for an maemo app in a graphical view | 20:58 |
| dmj726_n900 | relative to the total number of users. | 20:58 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer: I don't think it could be DRMified | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: It can | 20:59 |
| korhojoa | I really don't understand why the US insists on having different frequencies from almost everyone else | 20:59 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer: If they personally visit my house, beat me, tie me up, and forcefully install a new firmware onto the phone? | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: they can update NOLO, and you'll either do that update, or stay with pr1.1.1 | 21:00 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I'm happy with 1.1.1 and a big fat overclock, so to hell with their cutsey yet scary acronyms of doom! | 21:01 |
| ShadowJK | Well thanks for ruining for everyone else. That's really nice and social now. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck big fat overclock | 21:02 |
| cehteh | still no melted devices? | 21:02 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Makes the N900 run like it should, rather than waiting for Nokia to bloody well fix it | 21:02 |
| Jaffa | Andrewfblack: ping | 21:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Probably quite likely that the new iPhone will come before I manage to abuse my N900 to death, though | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: I suggest you build your own perfect device instead of waiting for Nokia to ship crap to you | 21:03 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer: Or just wait for the Pandora, might be here in another 10-12 years | 21:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer regrets to have powered up his laptop | 21:04 | |
| brik | Zeddy: qt creator | 21:04 |
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| Zeddy | hmm.. and it will compile :o | 21:04 |
| Zeddy | last time i tried using qt creator for design i failed | 21:04 |
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| * javispedro does something evil, like building boost1.38 for diablo | 21:06 | |
| Stskeeps | scary | 21:06 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: eugh | 21:06 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sheesh, all the overclocking hate... so much for opting for a heavily software mod-able and community driven phone | 21:06 |
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| ShadowJK | cehteh, it's not about melting, ffs | 21:07 |
| Jaffa | Train must go faster. Want Joggler fun. | 21:07 |
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| javispedro | ah, those words of encouragement :) | 21:07 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Mine's not about to melt, I live in England... hah! | 21:08 |
| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: Hrm....not sure what's going on, but it seems that my N900 doesn't like my SIM...or the network doesn't like the phone now... | 21:08 |
| Jaffa | Gadgetoid_mbp: The concern is, I guess, that ppl who think it's exactly equatable with x86 desktop PC overclocking will try it, eventually get a problem and call the N900 crap. | 21:08 |
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| * javispedro ponders doing something more evil, like scraiping boost1.38's bimap.hpp and hack it into a package. it's all c++ templates, should it work! | 21:08 | |
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| * RST38h crucifies a kitten for javispedro | 21:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: Are you just trolling or are you really such a bainfail? | 21:08 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I just get "No access" when I try to connect manually. | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | bRain | 21:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: boost is bad for you, AVOID | 21:08 |
| RST38h | javispedro: (stl too) | 21:08 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jaffa: In my experience x86 PC over-clocking was fraught with problems | 21:09 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer: The latter, incidentally | 21:09 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: I had a kilometer long g++ error message just to tell me that I could not append a char to string =) | 21:09 |
| javispedro | all because someone decided to use some fancy lambda features | 21:09 |
| * noobmonk3y waves | 21:10 | |
| ShadowJK | Ot | 21:10 |
| noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooo | 21:10 |
| ShadowJK | It's not about temperature. It's not about temperature. It's not about melting | 21:10 |
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| Jaffa | Gadgetoid_mbp: replacing a buggered processor was easier tho' ;-) | 21:10 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, did you get round to seeing the meet-up vids? | 21:11 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jaffa: True, that, although I never successfully buggered one | 21:11 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Was just a bit of a hit and miss game getting a stable system, even with a bundle bought pre-overclocked I eventually had to knock it down to stock for stability | 21:11 |
| Jaffa | Gadgetoid_mbp: And Igor Stoppa *was* pretty clear in Amsterdam | 21:11 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Jaffa: Hey, if it does melt I could *drink* it! | 21:12 |
| ShadowJK | It wont melt, ffs | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | IT IS *NOT* ABOUT MELTING!! | 21:12 |
| javispedro | you know something is wrong when CXXFLAGS contains " -ftemplate-depth-128" | 21:12 |
| * noobmonk3y wants to figure out how to get live vid streaming working on the n900 - ready for the next meetup :D | 21:13 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Sorry, that *was* trolling ;) | 21:13 |
| * Jaffa thinks, on the plus side, it could be natural selection for tmo. Last message from many noobs: "I got my N900 up to 2GHz, but it broke so I'm getting an iPhone. Bye" | 21:13 | |
| GAN900 | 1300 posts in that overclocking thread | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | Hello dead N900s | 21:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:13 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't worry much :) | 21:13 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I successfully ran mine at 3Ghz | 21:13 |
| naxu | so how many bricks so far? | 21:14 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Turn it up to 11. | 21:14 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, but you know, in 4 months time when they start dying, people will blame something else :) | 21:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But then it started to morph into a micro black hole | 21:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | You mean when they melt? | 21:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: As I said before, avoid the freaking thing like plague | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | great, all should post their SER# (to compare how high you can clock the different revisions XP) | 21:14 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: !ike "now I can't upgrade to PR1.2" | 21:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Pretty much the same applies to STL, although Boost is especially evil. | 21:14 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | There are probably going to be quite a few PR1.2 upgrade morons, *sigh* | 21:15 |
| noobmonk3y | Jaffa, hopefully a bit sooner then 4 months :P - but wont the upgrade just overwrite their kernel? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Have reports of dead N900 started appearing though? | 21:15 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | Enough people asking the same goddamned question on the thread over and over again "wher do i get tha kernal?" | 21:15 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: they're already doing it. when everything crashes they blame smartreflex, because of course, what good elite overclocker would NOT compensate by using smartreflex? | 21:15 |
| thresh | i cant upgrade to PR 1.2 as well | 21:15 |
| Chiku | is it out? | 21:16 |
| ShadowJK | Oh that's another favourite of mine, that smartreflex bug.. it's like "Bug: smartreflex not enabled by default Cause: it doesn't work" and then people are like "I enabled smartreflex and now it crashes!! I hope nokia fixes this bug!", like wtf, fix the bug that it's not enabled by default? Yeah okay, that's brilliant, asking a known destabilizing function to be turned on :P | 21:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lol @ venom for that 1.2 post this morning :P | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_mbp: if you say 'melt' once more, you'll be kicked for trolling! | 21:16 |
| Scelt | pr1.2! | 21:16 |
| thresh | no, and that is the main reason why i cant :-( | 21:16 |
| Scelt | damn | 21:16 |
| Chiku | because it's not out yet? | 21:16 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: mot of these have attention spans of a fruit fly, s no wonder | 21:16 |
| RST38h | most | 21:16 |
| * GAN900 hands ShadowJK and DocScrutinizer cups of tea. | 21:16 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | DocScrutinizer: Oh thy lordship of mighty intelligence, what therefore will the N900 do if not melt? | 21:16 |
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| javispedro | morph back into that insane man from the ad? | 21:17 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I wish they'd just let PR1.2 drop so we can use our Qt apps again...(those that have been updated). | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | The format of TMO _encourages_ short attention spans. | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | It's _UTTERLY_BROKEN_ | 21:17 |
| * GAN900 gets another cup for SpeedEvil | 21:17 | |
| * SpeedEvil looks for 2 girls. | 21:18 | |
| thresh | i fell down on my n900 earlier today | 21:18 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | SpeedEvil: Hooray for a device that's mass marketed and attracts mass extreme noobage | 21:18 |
| thresh | it got between my ass and asphalt | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Gadgetoid_mbp: yes - there is that. | 21:18 |
| thresh | weirdly enough, nothing is broken | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | thresh: oops. | 21:18 |
| pupnik | how would you fix TMO SpeedEvil ? | 21:18 |
| * javispedro now has ample time to rant while boost builds. or, to be more precise, fails to build but for some reason keeps going while lots of link errors come through the xterm. | 21:18 | |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | The problem with the N810 is that nobody had one, the good thing about the N810 was that nobody had one... aargh | 21:18 |
| ShadowJK | thresh, hooray for having a fatass? | 21:18 |
| Gizmokid2005 | You know what...I'll bet...since ATT has a different frequency for 3G...I'm sure they have multiple radios at the tower...maybe the storms that just went through took out the 2G radios! | 21:19 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, is boost for Fremantle optified yet? | 21:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer says thanks for the tea, and heads out to get a beer instead. Sometimes it's unbearable | 21:19 | |
| thresh | ShadowJK: i'm thin :( | 21:19 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: some simple threaded interface that can present more than ten items. | 21:19 |
| * SpeedEvil passes thresh 59Kg of lard. | 21:19 | |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hooray for 1-litre beer cans, it's the best invention since the pint-sized beer can | 21:19 |
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| thresh | yummy | 21:19 |
| GAN900 | korhojoa, that's not quite correct. | 21:19 |
| noobmonk3y | Chi/me thinks tmo needs to sort out the top menu.... wiki is the place/link that has to be up the top imo..... (Yes i know its not a toolbar.... but dang it is needed) | 21:20 |
| javispedro | GAN900: from a quick look the packaging, doesn't seem to. | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | korhojoa, those frequencies are used in Canada, South America, some parts of Asia, Australia, etc. | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: quite poassible, yes | 21:20 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, somebody needs to do that | 21:20 |
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| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: Depends on how it's done. SSU won't apply if meta-package dependencies are broken, but direct flashing would get overwritten, I guess. | 21:20 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: calling them now, I suppose we'll see what they say. Since my E71 supports all the 3G bands, it works fine... | 21:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhh cheers Jaffa :D - assuming it might still cause issues :P - will wait and see :D | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | noobmonk3y, this discussion has been beated to death. | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, no need to overclock if my device is running fine :) | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | noobmonk3y, tools don't go in the top level navigation was the conclusion. | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | GAN900, it may have, but i've not been involved in any and twas just my opinion :D | 21:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | kathy and i had an indepth chat about the layout of tmo, and she told me that was the outcome earlier, both of us are a bit dismayed at it.... i understand the no toolbar reasoning, but it doesnt make sense to non-techies...... | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Medium sized but cute screwup in the upcoming Qt: http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/04/qt-on-maemo-warning.html | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Would be interesting to see how many update it will take to fix this one | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Shit, all the gears in my N900 just wore out! | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Gadgetoid: No wonder, they are all made of wood. | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | RST38h: 65nm wooden gears? that's some serious engineering | 21:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol! | 21:24 |
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| Arkenoi | http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd57252/4494088129_9b62ba7b1f_b.jpg | 21:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Did you happen to see anywhere that is accessible without pulling it apart that is a way to cause a drain directly across the battery - to connect a - say - 34R resistor across bat | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | lmfao | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Is that Godzilla's? =) | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizerpost-shunt | 21:27 |
| noobmonk3y | really? 1700mhz! | 21:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arken: you need to turn on 802.11n too | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | noobmonk3y, I saw a screenshot where it said ">9000MHz". I laughed. | 21:28 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! ShadowJK ;) | 21:28 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | I herd u liek megahertz so I overclock ur nokia and it accidentally melted | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 21:29 |
| pupnik | looks like A9 will be more a 2011 thing | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I want A10. | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | I want rainbows | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | As long as it has the cannon, and the high survivability armour. | 21:29 |
| Mousey | i want unicorns! | 21:29 |
| noobmonk3y | scares me in that screenshot, 1 process running, yet at 1700mhz........ | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | The process should be pulseaudio | 21:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lol yeah | 21:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | joikuspot gives pulse a run for it's hertz ;) | 21:30 |
| noobmonk3y | mine is humming away next to me :D | 21:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo MohammadAG | 21:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~ping | 21:32 |
| infobot | ~pong | 21:32 |
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| Jef91 | So I pinpointed one of the apps eating up all my rootfs | 21:33 |
| Jef91 | abiword | 21:33 |
| Jef91 | Where do I go to file a bug report for that? It shouldn't be in extras if it is doing that >.< | 21:34 |
| pupnik | oh? how Jef91 | 21:34 |
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| andre__ | Jef91, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ ? | 21:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I did a maemo-optify-deb with it and it worked, Jef91 | 21:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it was just not optified | 21:35 |
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| Jef91 | ptl_demands_PR12 you have a copy of that .deb you could send me? I'd like an optifieyd version | 21:35 |
| Jef91 | What is the repos that has like wget and nano and such in it again? Just reflashed my n900 | 21:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lemme see | 21:38 |
| * noobmonk3y is tired..... might go for a relaxing swim :D | 21:38 | |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Jef91: no, but I'll redownload, reoptify and send it to you | 21:39 |
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| Jef91 | Thanks ptl_demands_PR12! jeffhoogland@gmail.com if you'd be so kind to send it to :) | 21:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | can I send through dcc send? (IRC file transfer) | 21:41 |
| Jef91 | yea that works as well | 21:41 |
| Jef91 | I think xchat supports that | 21:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it does. :) | 21:42 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | sending! | 21:43 |
| m_abs | Hey. I hope I can get some quick help. I've install beneath a steel sky on my N900 from the extra-devel repository. On the PC I need to right click on something to pick it up in the beginning, how do I do the same on the N900? | 21:44 |
| RST38h | keyboard? | 21:44 |
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| nidO | ~curse php | 21:48 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, php ! | 21:48 |
| m_abs | RST38h, Which key? | 21:48 |
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| Arkenoi | m_abs: i successfully picked objects by long press but i failed to go any further, say, applying objects | 21:50 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | m_abs: shift+stylus, according to google | 21:50 |
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| Arkenoi | ah | 21:50 |
| javispedro | arggggh | 21:50 |
| Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: PR12 out?!? | 21:50 |
| javispedro | arrrrrrrrrgh | 21:50 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | m_abs: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44908 | 21:50 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | Scelt: no, that's why I am still demanding :) | 21:51 |
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| * javispedro javispedro_demands_ptl_shortens_his_nick | 21:51 | |
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| javispedro | :P | 21:51 |
| Scelt | ptl_demands_PR12: ;D | 21:51 |
| * ptl_demands_PR12 will it javispedro magically makes PR1.2 be released!! | 21:51 | |
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| m_abs | ptl_demands_PR12, thanks. Don't understand how I missed that :) | 21:55 |
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| m_abs | Arkenoi, Using objects is easy. Just move the mouse cursor to the top of the screen and select the object from the menu that appears. | 21:58 |
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| m_abs | Now if could only figure out how to save :) | 22:00 |
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| m_abs | Ahh, shift+enter = esc | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | oooooooh | 22:02 |
| RST38h | kinda counterintuitive | 22:03 |
| javispedro | ~curse singletons | 22:03 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, singletons ! | 22:03 |
| javispedro | and specially "interesting" one-liner ways of unsafely implementing them! | 22:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Somebody has been smoking Programming Patterns book again? | 22:04 |
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| m_abs | Sound like a fun use of programming pattern books | 22:04 |
| javispedro | static Klass get_the_instance() { static Klass the_instance; return the_instance; } | 22:04 |
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| RST38h | ahhahaha | 22:05 |
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| javispedro | seems to work in gcc4 | 22:05 |
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| javispedro | but fails miserably in gcc3, where the compiler seems to be "Not smart enough" in which object file to allocate the_instance | 22:05 |
| RST38h | well, no immediate reason why it should not | 22:05 |
| javispedro | *to decide in which object file.. | 22:05 |
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| javispedro | static function, it's present on a header file | 22:06 |
| RST38h | this one is not immediate ;) | 22:06 |
| javispedro | gets inlined into all other compilation unit | 22:06 |
| javispedro | s | 22:06 |
| RST38h | maybe they intended it to get inlined | 22:06 |
| javispedro | yeah, but then someone has to decide which compilation unit runs the_instance constructor, for one | 22:07 |
| javispedro | come to think of it, I kinda remember that gcc4 replaces that with a "static Klass *the_instance; if (!the_instance) new Klass;" idiom | 22:08 |
| * javispedro should do that | 22:08 | |
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| javispedro | aha, that seems to work. | 22:10 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | I failed to compile google chrome in scratchbox :/ | 22:11 |
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| * javispedro decides then to scrap the build boost1.38 plan and just steal some of its header, since boost is still by now throwing linker errors to the console | 22:11 | |
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| Jef91 | How do I install a .deb with apt-get? | 22:12 |
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| * RST38h doubts javispedro will just be able to take a header | 22:12 | |
| * javispedro preventively takes a header and every similarly named one =) | 22:13 | |
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| javispedro | s/a/the | 22:13 |
| E0x | Jef91: dpkg -i package.deb | 22:14 |
| E0x | is the way of install a deb | 22:14 |
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| Jef91 | E0x any way to make it automatically install all the dependacies? | 22:14 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | Jef91: you have to install dependencies by hand with dpkg | 22:15 |
| noobmonk3y | Anyone know of any good examples of QprogressDialog in pyqt? | 22:15 |
| Jef91 | b-man|ubuntu thats what I thought, is there some thing I can use to auto get them? | 22:15 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | hexen II ported to the N900, nice :) | 22:16 |
| b-man|ubuntu | Jef91: apt-get perhaps? | 22:16 |
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| Jef91 | b-man|ubuntu apt-get will install from a .deb? | 22:16 |
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| pupnik | dpkig -i filename.deb | 22:17 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | you use apt-get to install the dependencies, then dpkg -i the .deb | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | dpkg -i filename.deb | 22:17 |
| javispedro | aha, nothing better than gizmodo calling the n810 a "sad previous tablet effort from Nokia". | 22:17 |
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| * b-man|ubuntu stabs gizmodo | 22:18 | |
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| Jef91 | ptl_demands_PR12 Yea yea I was just wondering if I could be lazy and not have to type out all those depens by hand on the n900 keyboard | 22:18 |
| b-man|ubuntu | ~burn gizmodo | 22:18 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over gizmodo, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 22:18 | |
| b-man|ubuntu | >:D | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.screenshotdumpster.com/img/m7Gbd57252/4494088129_9b62ba7b1f_b.jpg - what is the red indication int he systray? | 22:19 |
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| E0x | Jef91: dpkg -I package.deb | 22:19 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: busy in telepathy | 22:19 |
| E0x | Jef91: that will give you the info of the package | 22:20 |
| E0x | and with hope the dep list | 22:20 |
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| E0x | so copy the dep list , apt-get install (paste_deb_list) | 22:20 |
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| E0x | then dpkg -i package.deb | 22:20 |
| microlith | SpeedEvil: isn't that the "do not disturb" icon for user status? | 22:20 |
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| mece | so did he really run it on 1700Mhz? | 22:21 |
| b-man|ubuntu | hmm, installing x11 on fedora12 takes a __long__ time xP | 22:21 |
| javispedro | want to see mine at 37Thz? | 22:21 |
| lcuk | its the "Hold my beer for a minute, I've got something to show you" electronic darwin award indicator | 22:21 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | 1700 MHz????????????????????????????????? | 22:21 |
| mece | lol | 22:21 |
| b-man|ubuntu | javispedro: no 100Yhz :D | 22:21 |
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| korhojoa | i'm highly doubting 1700, considering many have hit a limit at 1050-1200 | 22:22 |
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| mece | yeah.. | 22:22 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you were wrong, I won! half a megabyte of "imported" headers. | 22:22 |
| b-man|ubuntu | hmm, i think at 100Yhz you'd be warping space and time xD | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | korhojoa: it's the cooling system that makes it possible. | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | korhojoa: And the special 12V battery. | 22:23 |
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| Zeddy | anyhows is 900MHz stable? | 22:24 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmmmm | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Zeddy: yes, but only with the system turned upside down | 22:24 |
| Zeddy | thats cool, i can live with that | 22:25 |
| b-man|ubuntu | lol | 22:25 |
| noobmonk3y_ | SpeedEvil, you meant to say, yes, only on PR1.3 ;) | 22:25 |
| RST38h | javispedro: half a megabyte? isn't this a pretty big chunk of boost? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | boost is around 40 MiB, gzipped | 22:25 |
| mece | Zeddy, apparently it can be, but it supposedly eats away life expectancy at a big rate, probably. | 22:25 |
| mece | boost is pretty big. | 22:25 |
| mece | but how big is the boost? | 22:25 |
| javispedro | 35M boost1.38.orig.tar.gz :P | 22:25 |
| b-man|ubuntu | <ignorant question> what is boost? | 22:26 |
| javispedro | a pain in the ass, so far. | 22:26 |
| pupnik | yeah. | 22:26 |
| b-man|ubuntu | heh | 22:26 |
| mece | b-man|ubuntu, it's this: http://www.boost.org/ | 22:27 |
| b-man|ubuntu | ah | 22:27 |
| javispedro | i'm sure there has to be some platform where it works... | 22:27 |
| javispedro | probably far, far away from maemo :) | 22:27 |
| b-man|ubuntu | ahhh | 22:27 |
| mece | hmm I'm building lordsawar atm, and it uses boost. | 22:27 |
| b-man|ubuntu | i've seen that site before | 22:27 |
| b-man|ubuntu | WebOS uses boost | 22:27 |
| mece | b-man|ubuntu, mind your language | 22:28 |
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| mece | ;) | 22:28 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | rofl | 22:28 |
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| javispedro | to be fair it seems to work in fremantle... | 22:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Somebody should kill these people with extreme prejudice | 22:30 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Preferably BEFORE Boost hits 100MB and gets included into the C++ standard | 22:31 |
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| javispedro | hey, maybe they want to beat java and .net at that game :) | 22:31 |
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| mece | is there java for debian arm? | 22:32 |
| b-man|ubuntu | yup | 22:32 |
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| mece | ok good. My boss wants me to implement some knowledge mobilization system that's written in java. Scary. | 22:33 |
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| andre__ | Jalimo? | 22:33 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | installing Gnome in f12 is going to be a nightmare, considering it's taking 4 hours to install x11 :/ | 22:38 |
| javispedro | if you're using a vm and yum, give it more ram... | 22:39 |
| b-man|ubuntu | i'm doing this on my N900 xD | 22:39 |
| javispedro | then add copious swap... | 22:39 |
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| Tuxprobe | javispedro how about using the 80% implemented methods of boost through glib? :) | 22:42 |
| b-man|ubuntu | i think part of the issue is that 'yum groupinstall Base-X' installs a s*it load of unneeded packages | 22:42 |
| javispedro | Tuxprobe: a good idea, but I want to minimize work, not do a PhD :) | 22:43 |
| Arkenoi | wow. accoring to price.ru there are n900's in Moscow for sale for $500- | 22:44 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | i've seen them for $440.00 | 22:44 |
| mortal | wow | 22:45 |
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| Arkenoi | whille official price being close to $850 | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man: for ubuntu, see http://xkcd.com/424/ | 22:46 |
| b-man|ubuntu | rofl xDDD | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu b-man | 22:47 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to b-man in a way that causes b-man to weep with gratitude that b-man must read the fine, friendly manual | 22:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's what you want :-P | 22:48 |
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| Tuxprobe | https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5385 | 22:52 |
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| b-man|ubuntu | hmm, my swap/ram usage is almost completely synchronized: Ram: 149.03mb Swap: 149.06mb | 22:57 |
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| * noobmonk3y waves | 23:09 | |
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| noobmonk3y | w00t_, are you alive? :D | 23:10 |
| w00t_ | yup | 23:10 |
| w00t_ | for various values of alive | 23:10 |
| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa does the QprogressDialog work in pyqt? :D | 23:10 |
| noobmonk3y | can't find a sane example anywhere :| | 23:10 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | hey noobmonk3y | 23:11 |
| noobmonk3y | hey ptl_demands_PR12 :D :D | 23:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | how was the N900 meeting? | 23:11 |
| w00t_ | I don't know, I'd suspect so.. but if it's Maemo specific you're probably better off using the busy indicator | 23:11 |
| w00t_ | as it feels more natural | 23:11 |
| noobmonk3y | it was great! have you seen the vids? | 23:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | no... | 23:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | where? | 23:11 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | got better? | 23:11 |
| noobmonk3y | trying to get it to load up on load w00t_ as i have 10 secs+ of todo's | 23:11 |
| noobmonk3y | liqflow example = here http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-2...0-4c16572e215c | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) on your main window or whatever | 23:12 |
| noobmonk3y | and peoples video = here http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4...8-1a3afa167ff5 (Me at the end) | 23:12 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: that link sucks ;) | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: both removed btw | 23:12 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm will give it a go now, thankee :D | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | :P | 23:12 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, the world sucks | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | frals++ | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | removed? | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | The requested item has been removed by the user. | 23:13 |
| frals | as in, its been cut off in the middle | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | pants | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | x2 for both those links | 23:13 |
| frals | http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4...8-1a3afa167ff5 | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | let me shortify em | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | oh! | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | I see | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | :P | 23:13 |
| * w00t_ long since gave up looking at the links he clicks on | 23:13 | |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | noobmonk3y: The requested item has been removed by the user. | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 23:13 |
| noobmonk3y | 1 sec just getting em | 23:14 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | ok | 23:14 |
| noobmonk3y | http://pixelpipe.com/item/33a3666d-4abb-40bc-8568-1a3afa167ff5 - better? peoples one | 23:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | http://pixelpipe.com/item/beb29681-21e4-4b54-9110-4c16572e215c - liqflow one | 23:14 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | #N900 meetup people! | 23:15 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | worked | 23:15 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: is that from the recent meetup? | 23:16 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah today :D | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | today? hm, didn't know about that | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | :p | 23:16 |
| noobmonk3y | posted about it in tmo :P and was on here during it ;) | 23:16 |
| w00t_ | where was it at? | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | Exeter :P | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | so Kathy could get there | 23:17 |
| w00t_ | blargh, I wish I'd known | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | as she lives in the sticks at the far end of cornwall | 23:17 |
| w00t_ | I'd have probably come down | 23:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | awwwww | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | woulda been great to have you there | 23:17 |
| nidO | that liqflow vid's pretty nifty | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | i came from my hols in minehead, zail(liza) came from bristol | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 23:17 |
| noobmonk3y | and alex lives near exeter ;D | 23:18 |
| * w00t_ is (still) stuck up in hull | 23:18 | |
| noobmonk3y | wow, long way away | 23:18 |
| nidO | lies, im miles from there :( | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | s/hull/hell/ | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | ^ | 23:18 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, hm is that supposed to be a video? | 23:18 |
| noobmonk3y | mece, which ones? | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | brik: hurry up and finish university so we can move | 23:18 |
| noobmonk3y | 2 first links failed | 23:18 |
| brik | :P | 23:18 |
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| w00t_ | :o | 23:19 |
| w00t_ | she speaks | 23:19 |
| mece | none of them work for me.. | 23:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | Hmmmmmmmm | 23:19 |
| nidO | you do need shitty quicktime installed | 23:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh meh meh | 23:19 |
| noobmonk3y | not my choice, was pixelpipe | 23:19 |
| noobmonk3y | does the web page load mece? just not the vid? | 23:20 |
| mece | yep. | 23:20 |
| noobmonk3y | w00t_, MainWindow.setAttribute(Qt.WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, True) - doesnt work, well doesnt like the qt part | 23:20 |
| w00t_ | noobmonk3y: what's it do? | 23:20 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, I get stream contains no data. Oh well. | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | :| :| :| | 23:21 |
| noobmonk3y | Qt is not defined | 23:21 |
| petteri | hypnotic video :) | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | mece, http://www.flickr.com/photos/7693079@N03/4497288136/ | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | and http://www.flickr.com/photos/7693079@N03/4497224032/ | 23:23 |
| noobmonk3y | no idea if they work | 23:23 |
| mece | lovely! | 23:23 |
| nidO | rather better than pixelpipe :p | 23:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:24 |
| mece | Who's the punk? | 23:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | ironically doesnt work for me ;) | 23:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | punk is Alex - imprezwift | 23:25 |
| noobmonk3y | the other two are revdkathy (Kathy) and Zail(Liza) | 23:25 |
| noobmonk3y | and me :D | 23:26 |
| rm_you | noobmonk3y: wait where are you in those videos? | 23:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | last guy (Was holding the camera/phone) | 23:26 |
| rm_you | are you in bar/club? | 23:27 |
| rm_you | *a | 23:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | pub in the middle of nowhere :P | 23:27 |
| mece | right this has sound.. Right turning off Immolation. | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, you yoyo | 23:27 |
| rm_you | noobmonk3y: whats it called? Bays? | 23:27 |
| mece | hee | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | lol mece | 23:27 |
| mece | Kathy <3 | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | noobmonk3y, The Poachers | 23:27 |
| rm_you | noobmonk3y: it looks SO familiar | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | rm_you, Poachers | 23:27 |
| rm_you | ah | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, hey, PM me the stuff you sent me earlier, had some router issues (GRRRRR) | 23:27 |
| rm_you | ok | 23:27 |
| noobmonk3y | its in a place call ide i think | 23:27 |
| mece | who's number 4? (counting the dog) I didn't get that name | 23:28 |
| rm_you | was just wondering if there was a whole group of n900 users meeting in the pub down the street from me and I didnt even know :P | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | yay low battery ding | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | twice | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | Zail / Liza | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | rm_you, exeter? | 23:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | posted about the meet on 27th March :) - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48471 | 23:30 |
| mece | MohammadAG, I like those over excited double low battery dings | 23:30 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | why liqflow videos always show N900's side-by-side? Is there some connectivity going on or it's just for the sake of countin devices? | 23:30 |
| * mece was wondering the same... 'bout liqflow | 23:30 | |
| noobmonk3y | ptl_demands_PR12, no connectivity, just looks cool :D | 23:30 |
| noobmonk3y | you can make them look connected :D | 23:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ie, like we did | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG | mece, they annoy me, it's like they're doing it on purpose | 23:31 |
| mece | does liqflow react to sound? | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :) | 23:31 |
| mece | nice. | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | thats why i was over enthusiastically hitting the table | 23:31 |
| mece | lol | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | it also responds to movement | 23:31 |
| mece | how does it respond to blastbeats? | 23:31 |
| nidO | er, it reacts to sound? | 23:31 |
| nidO | when was that added? | 23:31 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | What I don't like about liqflow is that it always make my screen appear scratched. | 23:31 |
| mece | I thought it was accelerometer | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO, i screamed and it went nuts at me | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, does it shoot lasers yet? | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:32 |
| nidO | mece: ditto | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, - not sure, may try when PR 13 comes out | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | 13.1? | 23:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | ;) | 23:32 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it will shoot lasers using the IR emitter, isn't it? | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 23:33 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | someone will find how to overpower it and change the frequency to a visible one, and also will find a way to polarize and concentrate it. | 23:33 |
| mece | you could just switch out the flash leds to lasers I suppose.. | 23:33 |
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| mece | using these "lasers" we will punch a hole through the ozone layer... | 23:34 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | flash is too obvious :) | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, no, it will reverse engineer the proximity sensor, the IR sensor, and the camera sensor | 23:34 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, twas a good meet | 23:34 |
| noobmonk3y | but i better get to the pub ;) | 23:35 |
| noobmonk3y | w00t_, btw error was Qt is not defined | 23:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer shoots noobmonk3y's ass with his 150mW green laser | 23:35 | |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | wow | 23:36 |
| * noobmonk3y farts n goes to the pub | 23:36 | |
| * MohammadAG wants that for a day | 23:36 | |
| noobmonk3y | back laters! | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you're gonna implode | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | after a pint hopefully | 23:36 |
| mece | i want 150MW instead. | 23:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | good pub to you | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: beware, I'll wait for you there | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | mece, that's an overkill :P | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo 1.98 mb/s on the n900 | 23:36 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mece: how do you plan to carry the battery of such a device? | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | nice :D | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: btw my laser ignited your fart | 23:36 |
| mece | ptl_demands_PR12, I plan to hook it up to a nuclear power plant | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, you're gonna implode | 23:37 |
| mece | I plan to have 10 of them, and hook them up to this one: http://www.power-technology.com/projects/Olkiluoto/ | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | lol a friend wants to overclock to 1.2GHz | 23:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | mece: a MOBILE power plant? | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: such are chemical powered units usually. H2 + F2 is frequently used | 23:38 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | what about that photo with 1.7GHz overlock? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, photoshopped/gimped :P | 23:39 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | or maybe it's just a picture of the conky screen with the 600 part changed to 1700 | 23:39 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's easier than photo-gimp-shopping | 23:40 |
| mece | gimped. Such a great word. Soooo much better than "photoshopped" | 23:40 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | it's shorter anyway | 23:41 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | but it doesn't have 'photo' in it, so it doesn't reveal the nature of the verb up front. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HF_laser | 23:41 |
| mece | but it has "gimp" in it :D | 23:41 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | there's a wikipedia entry for GIMPing | 23:43 |
| ptl_demands_PR12 | lol | 23:43 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMPing | 23:43 |
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| MohammadAG | ptl_demands_PR12, I knew it was a word! :P | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl_demands_PR12: so the question isn't 'which battery', rather you need some pressurized gas containers | 23:47 |
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| ptl_demands_PR12 | DocScrutinizer-8: not me, mece needs it :P | 23:56 |
| mece | I want these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_High_Energy_Laser | 23:57 |
| * MohammadAG wants PR1.2 :P | 23:57 | |
| MohammadAG | (don't care about the features, I got bored of compiling sources using a PR1.1.1 SDK to use them) | 23:57 |
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| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: you got a joggler too? :) | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | lol, yes | 23:58 |
| JamieBennett | twitter ? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | JamieBennett: saw my guides how to hack it to bits and pieces? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 23:58 |
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| JamieBennett | just looked at the telnet hack, doesn't work for me atm | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://jogglerhacks.blogspot.com/ | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure you'll find that useful :) | 23:59 |
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| JamieBennett | maybe my sd card or partitioning scheme? | 23:59 |
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| JamieBennett | been reading your blog :) | 23:59 |
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