IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-04-04

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dan2003javispedro: thanks00:07
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ShadowJKDocScrut-borked, I guess your laptop didn't survive?00:13
marcusmollerheya guys00:13
marcusmollerwhat is the newest firmware version?00:14
noobmonk3yPr 1.1.1  or v 3.2010.02-800:15
LiraNunajavispedro, where can I get your version of dosbox to compare?00:15
javispedroLiraNuna: extras-devel00:15
LiraNuna(source)00:15
javispedrosame00:15
javispedroinside sbox with extras-devel enabled, apt-get source dosbox00:16
LiraNunaE: Couldn't find package dosbox00:16
LiraNunais it ARMEL or X8600:16
javispedroyou need to enable devel00:16
javispedroboth00:16
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LiraNunaI did enable devel00:16
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javispedrothat's weird, let me see00:16
LiraNuna[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install dosbox00:16
LiraNunabash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory00:16
LiraNunawtf00:16
javispedro0.73-7maemo5 in extras-devel00:17
LiraNunaoh duh00:17
LiraNunaI activated extras, not devel00:17
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javispedroapt-get not found?00:17
LiraNunain armel00:17
javispedrouhhh00:17
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javispedroit is in the debian devkit00:18
LiraNunaI'm on ubuntu 9.10 64bit00:18
javispedroshouldn't matter00:18
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javispedroLiraNuna: output of sb-conf show FREMANTLE_ARMEL should contain "debian-etch"00:20
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FireStorm|if i can't find a package in the download app manager what else can i do00:21
LiraNunajavispedro, devkits: none00:21
FireStorm|i did apt-get install package but get package not find00:21
FireStorm|found*00:21
FireStorm|tried for a apt-get update aswell00:21
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javispedroLiraNuna: bad install. either gui installer failure or you missed that step in manual install00:21
LiraNunacan I still do it from within scratchbox?00:21
javispedroyeah00:22
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javispedrosb-menu00:22
LiraNunasb-menu -> Install?00:22
javispedroand go on00:22
javispedrosetup00:22
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javispedroCompiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Devkits: qemu perl debian-etch doctools svn git CPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb00:22
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FireStorm|ay one ideas?00:24
LiraNunathen extract rootstrap?00:24
javispedroLiraNuna: no need to if you did already00:24
LiraNunathere we go00:25
LiraNunanow it works00:25
LiraNunathanks javispedro00:25
uhsfyesterday i used route add default gw 192.168.2.14 to be able to ping google.com from my n900 with usb networking but now it doesn't work anymore. what should i try instead?00:25
LiraNunaI was wondering why my armel has problems00:25
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javispedroFireStorm|: search for it here maemo.org/packages/ or http://ageofikon.info/packrat/00:26
ech0Nokiaanyone tested aircrack-ng on n900? saw on some googlin it was locked to only chan 6? that still an issue?00:26
FireStorm|nothing javispedro00:27
javispedroFireStorm|: then most probably doesn't exist.00:27
uhsfi was told i was missing the route via the pc to ping google.com from my n900, how to set this route?00:27
FireStorm|there must be a mms software ?00:28
ech0Nokialol what?00:28
ech0Nokiayes fmms00:28
FireStorm|FFS00:28
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FireStorm|rmms is not fmms00:28
till-uhsf try rebooting00:28
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FireStorm|http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/00:30
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FireStorm|so if i got it there00:30
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FireStorm|and i download the ,deb file00:30
FireStorm|how would i install it00:30
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uhsftill-: what do you think rebooting will restart? i hate rebooting my n900 not only because of the gay splashscreen jingle but mostly because it's a real pain to set up usb networking back everytime00:32
pupnikdpkg -i whatever.deb00:32
javispedroi wouldn't (dependencies!)00:32
till-uhsf as long as you havn't changed any files the route and network should be resettet00:35
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FireStorm|?00:37
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LiraNunajavispedro, how can I know I got your version of the code?00:39
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javispedroLiraNuna: does it have a debian/patches directory? :)00:39
LiraNunayes00:40
javispedrothen you did :)00:40
javispedrodo debian/rules patch inside sbox also00:40
LiraNunawhat does that mean? I'm not familiar with debian packaging system00:41
LiraNunabuild*00:41
LiraNunaI know about checkinstall, but that's about it00:41
uhsftill-: i still get ping: bad address 'google.com' after rebooting. what is wrong?00:42
javispedroLiraNuna: all my patches to the upstream source are in debian/patches00:42
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uhsftill-: my /etc/network/interfaces is exactly like in the wiki00:42
javispedroLiraNuna: to apply them all, you have to run "debian/rules patch" in the src dir00:42
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LiraNuna../debian/rules:13: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory00:43
LiraNuna:|00:43
javispedroLiraNuna: apt-get install quilt00:43
dan2003i have my sdk upgraded to pr1.2 and it seems i cannot presenlty test apps on the phone from wihtin eclipse - is this due to a conflict between 1.2 and the phone being 1.1.1 ?00:43
LiraNunaah, that's what it is00:43
javispedroLiraNuna: you can also apply the patches separately, in your own dir00:43
javispedroLiraNuna: in case you want to reuse your "bork autoconf" setup ;)00:43
LiraNunaI don't mind00:44
dan2003(it segfaults when i try on the phone) runs fine on pc00:44
uhsfdoes it change something if it's usb1 on my pc instead of usb0?00:44
LiraNunaI want to compile it just as you do00:44
LiraNunajust with 4.4.300:44
javispedroLiraNuna: then do "apt-get build-dep dosbox"00:44
javispedroand dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot00:44
till-uhsf no idea, i just had to tweak my n800 to support pptp-vpn some time ago00:45
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uhsfin /etc/network/interfaces, the auto usb0 iface usb0, is it the usb0 on the n900 or the pc?00:46
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LiraNunaoh wow, javispedro the dynarec is armv400:48
LiraNuna// choose your destiny:00:48
LiraNunahahaha00:48
javispedroLiraNuna: no wonder, original target was gp2x00:49
LiraNunaoooh00:49
uhsfwhy i can't ping google.com? is it possible there's a package missing?00:49
LiraNunaI believe that on N900 you need root to ping00:50
uhsfi tried as root00:50
LiraNunajavispedro, will the ARM dynarec be automatically build upon ARM target?00:50
dan2003does anybody know if the n900 native medi player decodes mp3 on the CPU or in the DSP / whatever the media processor thing is00:51
LiraNunaor is there a magic undocumented configure switch00:51
javispedroLiraNuna: i don't remember the autoconf magic from the top of my head00:51
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lcukuhsf, how long have you had your arch system up and running? and do you find it easy to do all your administration tasks in it?00:51
dan2003i assume the flac/ogg addon support is cpu based - some has just compiled the existing libs00:51
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javispedroLiraNuna: from a quick look to the arm-target patch, you need to #define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE, #define C_DYNREC 100:53
uhsflcuk: i'm using arch linux exclusively since 200500:53
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LiraNuna#define C_TARGETCPU ARMV4LE00:54
LiraNunahorray00:54
LiraNunaalready there00:54
javispedroLiraNuna: weren't you building it using dpkg-buildpackage?00:54
LiraNunano00:54
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uhsfarch is really my favorite distro. it's the most up to date for all software00:54
LiraNunajust wanted the source00:54
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ssvbLiraNuna: btw, does dynarec use thumb?00:56
uhsfi think it's easy to do admin tasks in arch, even if many things often break after updates.00:56
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LiraNunassvb, I didn't look at the code00:57
javispedrossvb: thumb (1), iirc.00:57
ssvbthumb is problematic on OMAP300:57
javispedroand thumbee?00:58
ssvbjavispedro: all kind of thumbs00:58
javispedrothat's weird, they cripple jazelle then thumbee (the supposed "alternative"?)00:58
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ssvbjavispedro: they did not intend to cripple it, these are just HW bugs in the first Cortex-A8 revisions (OMAP3430 uses Cortex-A8 r1p3)01:00
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uhsfi think i solved the ping problem by changing nameserver to my router's ip in /etc/resolv.conf, what kind of an ugly hack is this?01:01
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LiraNunaugh, why does my N900 disconnects from skype/gtalk every 10mins or so01:02
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javispedrossvb: oh god. have linky?01:06
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ssvbjavispedro: cortex-a8 errata list, but it is not available for free download01:07
ssvbjavispedro: here is one link http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2009-05/msg00297.html01:07
javispedrofortunately, that's thumbee only01:08
ssvbjavispedro: it's thumb2 bug01:09
ssvbjavispedro: and it's only one of the bugs01:09
ptl_demands_PR12signal sender=:1.37 -> dest=(null destination) serial=353 path=/org/bluez/889/hci0; interface=org.bluez.Adapter; member=PropertyChanged string "Powered" variant       boolean false01:09
ptl_demands_PR12how do I turn this into a dbus call?01:09
ptl_demands_PR12dbus-send ...?01:10
ptl_demands_PR12[user@n900 user]% dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.PropertyChanged string:"Powered" boolean:true01:10
dan2003got a weird effect with qpushbuttons with png icons on, anything red comes out blue, and the same buttons that should have red on are all messed up01:10
ptl_demands_PR12Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "PropertyChanged" with signature "sb" on interface "org.bluez.Adapter" doesn't exist01:10
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ssvbjavispedro: and the problem with this bug is that it can be workarounded in the linker for the statically compiled code, but any JIT engine also has to avoid problematic instruction sequences01:12
javispedroyeah01:12
javispedrowell, I though you were talking about performance problems01:12
javispedrodosbox in -devel has had the thumb1 jit enabled for months with no visible crash complaints01:13
LiraNunathat's cause it's armv401:14
javispedrothe what?01:14
LiraNunaI think the problematic instructions are only in thumb201:15
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javispedrofor the record, thumbee=thumb2 for me ;)01:15
javispedro(that's not exactly the case afaik but doesn't really matter much here)01:16
ssvbjavispedro: no, they are a bit different: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0406b/index.html01:17
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ssvbLiraNuna: thumb1 also has HW bugs01:17
LiraNunaoh dear01:18
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ssvbLiraNuna: this one - http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=7ce236fcd6fd45b0441a2d49acb2ceb2de2e8a4701:21
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ssvbLiraNuna: it can be workarounded, but it hurts context switch performance, which is bad for pulseaudio, dbus, etc.01:21
LiraNunahow do I Esc in dosbox, javispedro01:21
JZAanyone here have a cool opml that they want to share about Maemo/MeeGo01:21
javispedroLiraNuna: map it (-startmapper)01:22
LiraNunaah01:22
pupniki still wouldnt mind sdl-mixer working with rx51 alsa driver01:23
ssvbLiraNuna: if dosbox jit can be switched to generate just normal arm code, that would be the best choice01:24
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LiraNunafirst, pupnik wants me to see if switching to GCC 4.4.3 speeds anything up01:25
ssvbLiraNuna: gcc 4.4.3 sometimes generates much slower code than 4.3 for arm01:25
LiraNunait's better than 4.1.2 :)01:25
ssvbLiraNuna: the biggest problem of gcc 4.4 is that the binaries are generally larger, and it is bad for I-cache01:26
ssvbLiraNuna: is it? do you have any benchmarks?01:26
ssvbLiraNuna: and I guess 4.1 is old and irrelevant anyway01:27
LiraNunawell, 4.1.2 hates NEON and ICEs for me if you use -O201:27
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ssvbLiraNuna: 4.1 even does not support NEON at all, NEON was only introduced in upstream gcc 4.3, codesourcery had it since 4.201:28
ptl_demands_PR12found it by trial and error :P01:28
ptl_demands_PR12dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/889/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetProperty string:Powered variant:boolean:true01:28
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ssvbLiraNuna: and ICE is better than silent generation of a broken nonworking binary :)01:30
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LiraNunatrue, but it's not the compiler's code, now is it01:30
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ssvbLiraNuna: most of the problems are related to gcc autovectorization, this is buggy to different extent on all platforms01:31
ssvbLiraNuna: so it is always safer to explicitly disable it01:31
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corecodewhat's up with that overclocking talk01:31
corecodeanybody have kernel patches?01:31
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corecodeshare?01:32
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ptl_demands_PR12added to Phone Control page01:34
ssvbLiraNuna: about gcc optimizations quality: http://hardwarebug.org/2009/08/05/arm-compiler-shoot-out/01:34
* GAN900 wants his cloak.01:34
ssvbLiraNuna: I can confirm that gcc 4.4 generates up to 30% slower code (also on the software other than ffmpeg)01:35
LiraNunaoh wow01:35
javispedroLiraNuna: btw, I just noted that fremantle_armels gcc version is 4.2.101:35
javispedronot 4.101:35
LiraNunaoh whoops01:35
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JZAcorecode: yeah I wonder if there is some kind of planet for maemo folks01:36
JZAto keep current with the tips and tricks01:36
JZAor an opml that I can just add to my blog reader01:36
ptl_demands_PR12ssvb: Wow, ARM RVCT beats every compiler out there. I don't know this compiler, is it free as in free speech?01:38
javispedrono.01:39
ptl_demands_PR12corecode: planet maemo? talk.maemo.org ?01:39
ptl_demands_PR12JZA: I've got a list of good maemo blogs, if you want. I can send it to you in OPML format.01:39
JZAgreat... ptl_demands_PR1201:40
JZAyou can dcc it if you want01:40
ssvbptl_demands_PR12: about free as speech gcc alternative for arm, clang/llvm might become interesting in the future01:41
ptl_demands_PR12ssvb: but right now, ARM RVCT isn't?01:42
ssvbptl_demands_PR12: but today its arm target is highly experimental, and maybe only suitable just for simple helloworld applications01:42
ptl_demands_PR12JZA: sent01:42
ssvbptl_demands_PR12: ARM RVCT is a quite expensive commercial compiler01:43
JZAthanks01:43
ptl_demands_PR12ssvb: I see :/01:43
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lcuk(context: http://twitter.com/sjgadsby/status/11555976697)01:45
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: so, any idea where bme's % comes from?01:49
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, not really, though I'd point out that half of bq27200's sense resistors are connected to the cellmo side EM01:50
SpeedEvilah01:50
corecodemoh01:51
MohammadAG_does anyone know how to get the name of the song playing from terminal?01:51
MohammadAG_corecode, was that a broken ping? :p01:51
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, amusingly, with an original nokia battery, bq27200 does pretty okay, as long as you keep in mind that what it's trying to accomplish is something different than the user-facing meter01:51
corecodeMohammadAG_: sorta01:51
corecodeseems the 2.6.34 kernel has been restructured01:52
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, with third party batteries, bq27200 starts to fail, with the mugen battery, it fails hard... and whatever bme does, despite being quirky, is far more usable01:52
corecodeon the omap clocking01:52
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, bq27200 is really designed to be in the battery and not in the phone :)01:52
SpeedEvilwhat's it trying to do?01:52
SpeedEvilI know.01:52
MohammadAG_corecode, restructured?01:53
dan2003is there some var i can putin project.pro to get the SDK to built against qt 4.6.2.instead of 4.5? i thought i had updated to PR1.2 but i seem to still have both with 4.5 under /usr and 4.6.2 under /opt01:53
corecodeMohammadAG_: header files changed01:53
SpeedEvilbut the batteris could not be so inexpensive if they put chips in them01:53
SpeedEvil:/01:53
corecodehow's the usb host status?01:53
MohammadAG_corecode, well he edited the omap .h file01:53
MohammadAG_which is a header01:54
javispedrooh, I was looking for the omap34xx technical manual the other day01:54
dan2003hmm, in fact i have 4.6.2 i both paces but the maemo5 integration is only on the /opt version01:54
SpeedEvilI'm running a USB toaster from my N900 now.01:54
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, well basically bq27200's perception of energy is different. It's stated goal is to show 6.25% remaining capacity when the battery is at EDV1 threshold voltage. That's 0.025 volts higher than the point at which the device shuts down, or in other words, same point.01:54
javispedroand I find it now that I wasn't looking for it01:54
corecodeMohammadAG_: yea, which does not exist in 2.6.34 anymore01:54
SpeedEvilI only get 8 slices per charge.01:54
MohammadAG_SpeedEvil, but does it blend?01:54
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, bme's goal seems to be to show 0% (ish) at first battery low warning01:54
javispedrothe OMAP34xx manual: http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/SWPU223A_FinalEPDF_03_17_2010.pdf01:54
SpeedEvilah01:55
ShadowJKSo just the different goals give widely different opinions on the state of charge of the battery01:55
MohammadAG_corecode, so nokia restructured it?01:55
ShadowJKAlso, bq27200 will happily show 6% for 2 days if it thinks hte battery is full01:55
ShadowJKor happily show 100% for 2 hours while charge current is 500mA, if it thinks the battery is full01:56
ShadowJKs/hte battery is full/the battery is empty/01:56
ShadowJK;-)01:56
pupnikweird01:57
ShadowJKBME thinks the mugen 2400mAh batteyr's capacity is 800mAh...1200mAh, due to a design error in the mugen battery, and will use current consumption to drive the capacity meter01:57
ShadowJKbut, at certain voltage thresholds, it does some sort of sanity check, and will correct itself01:57
ShadowJKThis all gives me the impression, that whatever bme is doing, is 10 years of people adding tons of heuristics to it01:58
ShadowJKbme is the hollistic approach, bq27200 is the high-tech approach.01:58
ShadowJKhigh-tech wins as long as you use the original battery, and let the device run down until it shuts down once a month or so.01:59
ShadowJKIt's not designed to adapt to users swapping batteries, so when it tries to learn the properties of a battery, it will reject new data if it's out of line with previous information01:59
ShadowJKWhich would happen if you change batteries02:00
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ShadowJKIf it's really confused, it will fall back to the constants stored in the eeprom, which, as far as I can tell, are tailored for a brand new BL-5J battery02:01
ShadowJKBut anyway, one of the nice things bq27200 gives us, is a current meter02:02
ShadowJKit's updated every 5.12 seconds02:02
ShadowJKAnd as long as you're inside 6...100% of what bq27200 considers charge level to be, the coloumb counter is accurate too.02:03
lcuklol w00t_02:03
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w00t_:)02:09
* SpeedEvil wants a task list widget.02:10
SpeedEviland camkeyd able to go to a desktop02:10
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pupnikcan we see total current current drain in mA?02:12
ShadowJKpupnik, when not on charger, yes02:14
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trumee_is there a graphical client for scp on maemo?02:15
trumee_something ike winscp02:15
pupnikdo you know how ShadowJK ? or have a search term for this?02:15
trumee_manually scping is a bit off a hassle02:15
trumee_pupnik: thanks for the pointer to knots. it is perfect02:16
ShadowJKpupnik, I have a binary and a script. I consider it extremely experimental, and would take no responsibility if it bricks your N900. If you understand this you can have it02:16
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trumee_i am missing fish:// on n90002:17
ShadowJKSo far it has once made my N900 stop charging while connected to charger :)02:17
ShadowJK(it resumed charging when I unplugged and replugged charger)02:17
pupnikgreat trumee_ !02:17
pupnikwell im curious enough ShadowJK02:17
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ShadowJKpupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/bq27200.sh http://enivax.net/jk/i2cget02:21
ShadowJKDownload those two02:21
ShadowJKPut them in a directory somewhere (I have them in ~)02:22
ShadowJKIn that directory, be root. execute ./bq27200.sh02:22
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ShadowJKTo get a dump of the current situation02:22
ShadowJK(Where current means "present")02:22
ShadowJK./bq27200.sh 502:22
ShadowJKAnd you get a vmstat-like  view that is updated every 5 seconds02:22
ShadowJKwith time, battery voltage, Relative state of charge, Compensated state of charge, current drain/charge in mA, Nominal Available Capacity, discharge current compensated available capacity, discharge and temperature compensated available capacity, Time to full in minutes, Time to empty in minutes, temperature in kelvin, and EDV1 flag02:24
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ShadowJKpupnik, the script itself has some comments of the different values, if there's anything you want to know feel free to ask02:26
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ShadowJKWorth keeping in mind: When bq27200 is 100% accurate and correct, the device will, after a period of beeping low battery, shut down when bq27200 says 6-7% remaining capacity02:27
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pupnikawesome02:29
pupnikty. finally a window into what im using02:30
* luke-jr mutters02:30
ShadowJKluke-jr, HELLO02:30
luke-jrhi02:30
luke-jrluke the fool is trying to make his N810 vaguely useful today02:30
ptl_demands_PR12ShadowJK: but do you know the actual trigger? Is it 6 or 7 percent?02:30
luke-jrand getting more pissed02:30
ShadowJKptl_demands_PR12, the actual trigger is voltage based. N900 will shut down at 3200mV02:31
ShadowJKBattery Low warning comes at 3550mV or in that region02:31
* b-man|n900 boots up Windows 95 in dosbox on his N900 to test the integrity of his N900's 800mhz overclocked cpu02:31
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luke-jrb-man|n900: that won't test it properly02:31
ShadowJKWith a fresh-ish battery, the time between battery low and shutdown is about an hour02:32
luke-jrin general, overclocking is only noticable long-term02:32
luke-jreg, CPU dies sooner02:32
b-man|n900indeed02:32
ShadowJKWith a very old/degraded battery, time between battery low and device shutdown could be a matter of seconds02:32
ShadowJKelectromigration or whatever it was called...02:32
ShadowJKelectron-migration?02:32
b-man|n900i'm mostly doing it for testing purposes02:33
SpeedEvilelectromigration02:33
ShadowJKhttp://pastebin.com/BcxNcLiM <- current output of my script02:33
SpeedEvilthe electrons don't migrate02:33
ShadowJKIt's becoming massive spaghetti-code bash though... I'm considering a C rewrite :/02:33
b-man|n900Lluke-jr: how should i test it? xD02:33
b-man|n900*luke-jr02:34
luke-jrb-man|n900: I just wouldn't do it. :p02:34
SpeedEvilShadowJK: neat!02:34
ShadowJKIn this paste my N900 is consuming ~35mA to run 2 bq2700.sh scripts (one locally on device, one over ssh and wlan), openvpn and xchat, over wlan.02:35
ShadowJKscreen off02:35
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SpeedEvilsounds ballpark02:35
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ShadowJKBattery voltage is 3.724 volt. At this low load, bq27200 says battery is at 23%02:36
SpeedEvilnow - gnuplot!02:36
pupnikwh did you already delete them ShadowJK ?02:36
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ShadowJKpupnik, I did not?02:36
pupniki was multitasking02:36
tremnite all, sweet dreams02:36
luke-jrso anyhow02:36
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luke-jrNokia has screwed me still02:36
ShadowJKpupnik, hold on02:36
luke-jrGPS doesn't work at all. And today's new thing is NOLO doesn't either.02:37
luke-jrf u Nokia >:O02:37
ShadowJKpupnik, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar02:37
b-man|laptopluke-jr: what do you think of that new MID Sharp just announced?02:37
ShadowJKmy webserver is too smart02:37
ShadowJKsorry02:37
luke-jrb-man|laptop: didn't see it...?02:38
* b-man|laptop grabs the link02:38
ShadowJKTTF: 65535 <- there's no charging, so time to full is "infinite"=65535. TTE: 434 minutes <- 434 minutes estimated until empty at the current (last 5 seconds) load02:38
ShadowJKSI: 24 mA STTE: 666 minutes <- Standby consumption estimated as 24mA. In standby, battery would last 666 minutes02:39
b-man|laptopluke-jr: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/sharp-is01-snapdragon-powered-3g-mid-introduces-au-to-android/02:39
luke-jrAndroid? :(02:39
ShadowJKMLI: 772 mA MLTTE: 19 minutes <- Max load (either from eeprom, or observed by bq2700) is 772mA. At maximum load, battery would last 19 minutes at current charge level02:40
b-man|laptopluke-jr: i sure you could get something else running on it ;)02:40
luke-jrb-man|laptop: maybe02:40
luke-jralso capacitive ts02:40
luke-jrbut you know02:41
luke-jrif that thing has enough RAM, I might actually be interested02:41
pupnikso did you find interesting results so far with it ShadowJK ?02:41
ShadowJKLast Measured Discharge: 1154 mAh <- The last time the battery was charged to full, and then discharged in one go to empty (device shutdown), this was the capacity of the energy released from the battery. Very "radical" changes in LMD are rejected, so it doesn't "learn" the new capacity of the huge mugen battery, unfortunately :(02:41
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pupnikoh cool02:42
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luke-jrb-man|laptop: any price release?02:42
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ShadowJKCycle Count since Learning: 2 <- The Last Measured Discharge (LMD) was recorded this many cycles ago.02:42
b-man|laptopluke-jr: not from what i've seen02:42
SpeedEvilShadowJK: cheat?02:42
pupnikim hoping to get a better feel for which things to avoid to maximize batt life02:42
ShadowJKTotal Cycle Count since last full reset: 78 <- a "full reset" is very rare, so this is basically the amoutn of charge/discharge cycles the chip has seen02:43
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: dischargbe to q1300, 1400,...02:43
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b-man|laptopluke-jr: here are a few specs: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid02:44
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ShadowJKCharge:0 NOACT:0 IMIN:0 CI:0 CALIP:0 VDQ:1 EDV1:0 EDVF: 0 <- IMIN=1 <- charge current has tapered off to such a low level that the battery can be considered full. CI <- 1 means Capacity Inaccurate. VDQ <- 1 means "valid discharge", all the conditions required are met for bq27200 to learn the new capacity when reaching EDV1. EDV1 <- Battery voltage has reached the EDV1 threshold which signals 6.25% battery capacity. If VDQ=1, the accumulated capacity from02:45
ShadowJKfull to low is a candidate for learning the battery's capacity02:45
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luke-jrb-man|laptop: that's a blank page02:46
b-man|laptopO_-02:46
b-man|laptop**O_o02:47
b-man|laptop1 sec02:47
SpeedEviln900 hardware power consumption02:47
SpeedEvilpage on wiki02:47
b-man|laptopluke-jr: http://en.akihabaranews.com/41510/phone/hands-on-jn-dk01-and-is01-sharp-and-au-first-android-mid  < the page is completely blank?? - it's rendering fine from my browser...02:48
luke-jri had to scroll to the right02:48
ShadowJKILMD=1370 EDVF=3000 EDV1=3248 ISLC=13 <- ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge, the default initial last measured capacity of no learning cycle has been completed. EDVF = battery empty voltage, EDV1 = battery 6.25% threshold voltage.  ISLC = Initial Standby Load Current. The amount of power consumed in standby. b27200 adjusts this up and down depending on actual load. Consumption "much" higher than SLC will not be considered a standby02:48
b-man|laptopah02:48
b-man|laptoplol02:48
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ShadowJKDMF=14700 nanoVolt SD=201 AGELMD=1 TAPER=68 mA. The chip will account for 0.201% battery self-discharge per day. AGELMD=1=in the asbence of valid learning cycles, the chip is programmed to estimate the capacity loss of the battery due to age and temperature.  TAPER, when the charge current has tapered off to 68mA, the chip will consider the battery fully charged02:50
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pupnikwow this is complicated02:50
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b-man|laptopluke-jr: what do you think?02:50
luke-jrb-man|laptop: I think the RAM is the crucial piece02:51
luke-jralso, what of GPS?02:51
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b-man|laptopnot entirely sure until a more detailed spec sheet is available ;P02:52
ShadowJKIMLC=685 mA The maximum programmed load. Initially MLC=IMLC. MLC is used to calculate "Time to empty at maximum load" value. If average current over a 5.12 second period (AI) exceeds MLC, MLC is updated with the value from AI. So, MLC is the max of IMLC and the biggest current drain observed so far02:52
SpeedEvilShadowJK: www.mauve.plus.com/stats - mine02:53
ShadowJK40402:53
SpeedEvilwow02:53
b-man|laptoplol02:53
SpeedEvilmy connection is being sucky02:53
SpeedEvilftp up stalled02:53
luke-jrhow do you add to pdadb?02:53
SpeedEvilthere02:55
luke-jr?02:56
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, you've never let your N900 run down until it shut down :)02:56
pupnikinteresting02:56
b-man|laptopluke-jr: pdadb?02:57
pupnikwhy are MLI and SLI only given as averages? can we get "last 10 seconds" also?02:57
ShadowJK74 charge/discharge cycles that makes your device about as old as mine :)02:57
luke-jr...02:57
luke-jrb-man|laptop: .net02:57
b-man|laptopnot sure on that one..02:58
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ShadowJKpupnik, MLI and SLI aren't averages02:58
ShadowJKbut "average current" is02:58
SpeedEvilhmm02:58
SpeedEvilpossibly not02:58
ShadowJKMaximum load Current is the maximum load, over 5 seconds, ever observed, OR IMLC from eeprom02:59
SpeedEvilInteresting.02:59
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ShadowJKSLI is standby current, there's some heuristics involved in this...02:59
SpeedEvilI woonder if that 17ma reading is a bogon02:59
ShadowJKI don't remember the heuristics well enough..02:59
pupnikoh nm sorry03:00
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ShadowJKBut approximately: If AI (average current) is close enough to ISLC, the consumption is considered to be "standby", and SLC is updated. If AI is too much bigger than SLC/ISLC, it is not considered as "Standby", and has no impact on the SLC/ISLC and SLTTE values03:01
SpeedEvilI get quite common -21s (locked)03:01
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SpeedEviljust xchat03:02
SpeedEvilreading over wifi03:02
ShadowJKyeah, same here03:02
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ShadowJKvarying between -20 and -50 approx03:02
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ShadowJKThis value is averaged by the chip over a 5.12 second period, so that if you were to read this exactly every 5.12 seconds, you could integrate them and get accurate view of the amount of current that has moved in and out of the battery03:03
ShadowJKThe chip does its own integration into NAC, with the limitation that NAC can not exceed LMD, and NAC can not go lower than LMD*0.062503:04
ShadowJKNAC is set to LMD if the TAPER flag is raised03:05
SpeedEvilinteresting03:05
SpeedEvilbacklight at max brightness only about doubles screen power use03:06
ShadowJK:)03:06
ShadowJKWhat surprised me was how little power video playback onto LCD used03:06
SpeedEvil35maish for screen, 70 for max bl03:07
ShadowJKLike, having xchat online on 3g with screen off and device idle used as much power as xchat idle on wlan, screen on, and playing 480p youtube video clips03:07
SpeedEvilin flash?03:08
ShadowJKNo, media player03:08
ShadowJKI had downloaded the clips previously with gpodder03:08
pupniksweeet.  sweeeet03:08
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pupnikmplayer direct to alsa saves ~20ma03:09
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ShadowJKlol03:09
pupnikthat is like cranking screen brightness up03:09
SpeedEvilcan bvolt be outputted easily?03:10
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, hm?03:10
SpeedEvilbat voly03:10
SpeedEvilt03:10
ShadowJKWell it's a 16 bit read03:10
ShadowJKVOLT=$(....03:10
SpeedEvilas most loads will be constant power, not constant current03:11
ShadowJKand then VOLT=$(($VOLT...03:11
crashanddieGAN900: had a guy from work call me this morning: "I'm selling my 5D, interested?"03:11
GAN900oops03:11
GAN900It's OK, you can carry two03:11
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, so you want battery voltage and current to be displayed?03:11
crashanddieyeah, but it's a mk 1, so I'm not interested03:11
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GAN900One for telephoto, one for portrait. :P03:11
GAN900Ah03:11
crashanddieand even if it had been a mk 2, I wouldn't have been able to afford it03:12
crashanddieI'm about to be very very broke, that's the kind of shit you get when you give up your job and have to travel back to the other side of the friggin planet.03:12
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, if you do ./bq27200.sh 503:12
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, you will get time, battery voltage, current03:12
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, if you only want battery voltage I guess you'll have to edit the script and comment out all the "extra" stuff :)03:13
SpeedEvilk03:13
pupnik90-110 ma right now with irssi, wifi, low brightness, and mplayer-alsa playing my lectures03:13
ShadowJK      mv   RSOC CSOC mA   NAC  CACD CACT TTF   TTE   TEMP EDV103:13
ShadowJK03:12 3714 21   21   -30  243  243  243  65535 482   300 003:13
ShadowJK"mv" column is battery voltage03:13
pupnikthanks again ShadowJK - so fun03:14
ShadowJKBTW, while you're looking at the script, I'd ask you to ignore the spaghetti-code factors of it03:14
SpeedEvilhmm03:15
SpeedEvilodd03:15
SpeedEviloops03:15
SpeedEvilmissed that03:15
pupnikbtw how do you get only -39 mA ShadowJK03:15
pupnik-3003:15
ShadowJKAnd instead boggle at the hoops required to unpack 2 3-bit integers stored in a byte, starting at line 133 ;-)03:16
SpeedEvilodd - I'm getting runs of _9_03:16
SpeedEvilwell - -903:16
ShadowJKpupnik, what's yours?03:16
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, It's not impossible...03:16
SpeedEvilthat's locked03:17
SpeedEvilwlan on, updating over wifi every 5s03:17
pupnik-89 to -240 in last screenful03:17
ShadowJKpupnik, on N900?03:17
pupnikyes03:17
ShadowJKYeah, with screen on -80 is about the lowest you'd see03:18
ShadowJKwhere "lowest" means "closest to 0"03:18
pupnikmostly around 11003:18
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, I saw really low standby values when I had everything offline and CPU inactive03:19
ShadowJKand wlan with nothing moving over it is almost as good as offline..03:19
ShadowJKBut I'll be honest, I haven't calculated the numerical accuracy at this at all :)03:19
ShadowJKsh script doesn't do floating point, it's all integer, constants muliplied by 1000 to fit into integers, and the end result divided by appropriate 1000's to become mA03:21
SpeedEvilI wonder why it does a long run of 9s, then stops03:22
SpeedEvilI need to try without xchat up I guess03:23
ShadowJK"stops"?03:23
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SpeedEvilgoes to 30s03:24
pupnikworking great here.  very interesting to see this stuff03:24
SpeedEvilindeed03:24
ShadowJKI'm at 27 having closed xchat03:25
ShadowJKClosed ALL remaining apps, and left it at homescreen with foreca widget...03:25
ShadowJKlet's see :)03:25
ShadowJK-1703:27
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ShadowJK-1603:27
ShadowJK3.7V03:27
ShadowJK-1503:28
ShadowJKoops, forgot an xterm03:28
ShadowJKNope, still at -15...-17 :)03:29
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b-man|laptopShadowJK: what are you doing?03:30
pupnikso my 2 minute screenm dimming delay is a problem03:30
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ShadowJK-50 on edge instead of wlan :/03:30
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ShadowJKb-man|laptop, realtime battery load measurements03:30
b-man|laptopah03:30
b-man|laptopfor what purpose may i ask?03:31
lcukn900hey i set my clock on n900 to automatic, but its not refreshing.03:31
lcukn900how do i update it from console03:31
ShadowJKb-man|laptop, fun.03:31
b-man|laptoplol :)03:31
ShadowJKb-man|laptop, it's interesting to only have a 5 second delay in knowing how much power the N900 is using, instead of the customary "how long does it last until empty" metric ;)03:32
b-man|laptopindeed :)03:32
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, hah, I reached -6 by putting the device offline!03:33
ShadowJKOnly openvpn and sshd running, basically03:33
ShadowJK(and bq27200.sh)03:33
pupnikvery useful to see mow much cpu load websurfing, mp3 playback, emulators, wifi, screen takes03:33
ShadowJKI think next step is to modify/rewrite script to collect data every 5 seconds, and average and display the data every minute03:34
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SpeedEvilor make that a postprocessor script03:37
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b-man|laptopLOL, my school teacher is emailing me O_o03:39
pupnik-40 to -50 with screen off, mp3 playback,irssi03:40
ShadowJKb-man|laptop, obviously you want to reply with a tinyurl link to ricky marti03:40
ShadowJKn03:40
ShadowJKpupnik, that's awesome :)03:40
b-man|laptoplol03:40
b-man|laptopShadowJK: i'm gonna do it >:)03:41
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ShadowJKtimeless_mbp, you're either logging on very late, or very early03:41
pupnikShadowJK: heres the cmdline for that mplayer alias mprlo='pasuspender -- mplayer -shuffle -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -quiet -softvol'03:42
ShadowJKhm, how does media player compare?03:42
pupnikwill test03:43
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SpeedEvilstock media player bouncimg around 6003:45
ShadowJKnot too bad03:45
SpeedEvilat very low speaker vol03:45
SpeedEvilmp303:45
pupnik65 to 8003:45
pupnikpretty loud here03:45
SpeedEvilspealer?03:46
pupnikyes03:46
pupnik80 pct volume03:47
pupnikok im gonna get used to a 10 second screen dimming now03:47
pupnikthat is huge03:48
* ShadowJK has it at max03:48
ShadowJKI always manually dim it with the keylock key anyway..03:48
SpeedEvil17003:49
DocScrut-borkedwhat are you nerds after?03:49
SpeedEvilfor me, speaker03:49
SpeedEvilbq* stats03:50
DocScrut-borkedhehe03:50
SpeedEvil9mA standby with wifi and ssh going is mindboggling03:50
ShadowJKI haven't quite decided yet if RS=30 is the correct value :)03:51
ShadowJK31 makes ILMD look more right, but 30 is a "nicer" and "rounder" constant ;-)03:51
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SpeedEvililmd?03:52
DocScrut-borkedSpeedEvil: not really. and if you're talking bout bq27k that chip won't even tell the spikes as they are simply not detected as idle03:52
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, Initial Last Measurged Discharged. The battery capacity bq27200 is programmed for03:52
SpeedEvilah03:52
DocScrut-borkedthe one that make the thing fail for mugen03:53
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: you need to add above comments to help im script03:54
ShadowJKLMD=ILMD until a learning cycle, LMD will be updated by measured discharge from full to shutdown-threshold if the conditions required are met, and if the new measured capacity is within a certain range of ILMD or last valid LMD03:55
* RobbieAB starts installing scratchbox03:55
ShadowJK"Initial Last Measured Discharge. LMD = ILMD if no valid learning cycle has been completed."03:55
ShadowJKin the script ;)03:55
SpeedEvilah03:55
RobbieABI must be mad trying to set-up PAN access point.03:56
SpeedEvilsorry, tired03:56
RobbieABI suspect it's going to require kernel smacking :s03:56
* DocScrut-borked is constantly headbanging the desk, wall etc. Today this friggin fan in my laptop came to a noisy grinding halt. 2hy must such things happen at long weekends?03:56
RobbieABBecause you don't remember them when they don't?03:57
ShadowJKWhen else would it happen? It always happens when most inconvenient :(03:57
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DocScrut-borkedapropos script with comments. I feel like a parrot, but do you know people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ?03:58
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ShadowJKDocScrut-borked, yeah you pasted it earlier ;)04:00
RobbieABSilly question: the instructions for the scratchbox installation say to check 3 sysctl keys: Do they all need to return a value? Is it bad if two return "unknown key"?04:00
ShadowJKDocScrut-borked, sh is kinda write-only for me though ;(04:00
DocScrut-borkedsh is write-only ???04:01
DocScrut-borkederrr dont get it04:01
javispedrowrite-only read-never programming language, like brainfuck (wild guess) :D04:01
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javispedroRobbieAB: what sysctl keys?04:02
ShadowJKSort of :)04:02
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DocScrut-borkedahh04:02
ShadowJKThat script takes an entire ram+eeprom dump and prints out (mostly) raw annotated values :)04:02
javispedroRobbieAB: vdso stuff? as long as one key works, everything will be fine.04:03
RobbieABsysctl abi.vsyscall32; sysctl vm.vdso_enabled; sysctl kernel.vdso04:03
* MohammadAG_ mods a bullet belt into a battery belt for the N90004:03
RobbieABjavispedro: Ah, thank you. I was wondering as I couldn't see anything that made sense for the other 2 in the kernel configs, so thought I should ask before begining a long trawl.04:03
javispedroRobbieAB: "Please note the correct line depends on your Linux kernel version. When you execute sysctl -p you may get a warning about unknown keys. You can safely ignore those warnings as long as one of the 3 settings works. "04:03
DocScrut-borkedthere's just one line in that script to adapt for N900. it's the readout from sysnode raw which returns the whole registerset in hex04:04
DocScrut-borkediirc04:04
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RobbieABjavispedro: I'm probably following a different set of instructions, as I'm following the gentoo ones :D04:04
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javispedroRobbieAB: ah well04:04
DocScrut-borkedyou'd need to substitute the 'cat sys...' by I2*get04:04
RobbieABjavispedro: Anyway, it's getting there, slowly, thank you :)04:05
ShadowJKDocScrut-borked, yeah that sounds right04:05
ShadowJKand removing the bashisms :)04:06
* RobbieAB may be about to produce a package that qualifies as utterly vile :D04:08
ShadowJKI guess for loop and some string concatenation into dmp() function..04:10
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DocScrut-borkedShadowJK: removing bashisms - have fun :-P04:20
ShadowJKMy current script works in busybox sh!04:21
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ShadowJKAnd, you know, I /enjoyed/ using busybox sh to extract 3 different values packed into a single 8-bit byte ;p04:21
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ShadowJKit's like 15 years ago when all I had to code on was a handheld Casio calculator ;\04:23
ShadowJKand BASIC04:23
ShadowJKIt's like smoking crack, except there's no fire involved04:23
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javispedroah, apple.04:31
javispedroI usually read a few rss items before going to bed. it's going to be though today when all of them talk about apple this apple that04:32
DocScrut-borkedbtw I was quite lazy not uploading the final version of this script from FR to server. The version there not even has temperature plain value, not to mention the statusbyte with all the bits in there04:33
* ShadowJK has all the bits04:35
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crashanddieGAN900: GENEVEN IS AN ARSEHOLE04:51
GAN900crashanddie, no shit?04:51
crashanddielol... [CapsLockWarning: Crashanddie @ #maemo]04:51
RobbieABWHAT?04:51
* RobbieAB is curious.04:52
RobbieABOk, that didn't trigger any warning for me :s04:52
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crashanddieRobbieAB: I doubt we use the same client/scripts04:52
crashanddieGAN900: check tmo04:53
RobbieABcrashanddie: Oh, it's a warning by your client... fair enough04:53
RobbieABI was sort of expecting it as a bot warning or something :p04:53
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, lol04:56
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: have you seen what he posted in off topic? I mean, seriously?04:56
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, nope.04:56
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, but that guy is trouble.04:56
crashanddieModerators Need Moderation04:57
crashanddiehttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=594442#post59444204:57
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, lol, I love that scroll picture.04:58
crashanddiescroll picture?04:59
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GeneralAntillesVDVsx has a look like "What the hell kind of silly shit have I gotten myself into? . . . "04:59
crashanddiehaha04:59
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crashanddieyeah04:59
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I'm this close |<---->| to say "Screw you" and give up my mod status05:05
crashanddie(actual scale)05:05
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, meh.05:05
crashanddienha seriously, I'm sick of only getting shit05:05
GeneralAntillesI'd just do my pest to ignore him.05:05
GeneralAntillesHehe05:05
GeneralAntillesThat's what a moderator position IS.05:05
crashanddiewhen we do something, we get shit05:05
GeneralAntillesIt's not a thanks-filled job. :P05:05
crashanddiewhen we don't, we get shit05:06
GeneralAntillesYou're there to clean up shit and take shit.05:06
crashanddiewell, I have better things to do with my days05:06
crashanddieyou got elected, you clean up the shit05:06
GeneralAntillesThen resign. ;)05:06
GeneralAntillesScrew that! :P05:06
GeneralAntillesI'm a facilitator.05:06
GeneralAntillesI con other people into cleaning up the shit.05:06
ShadowJKthe election wasn't about mods, surely05:07
GeneralAntillesNo, it's not.05:07
crashanddieShadowJK: I think there's a bit more to it05:08
RobbieABI'm installing my sdk, and making it up as I go along.05:09
RobbieABI wonder if it would work an a 64bit non-multi-lib system...05:09
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* RobbieAB is pondering just inserting kernel modules against the standard kernel05:13
RobbieABI freely admit my proposed package is likely to be utterly vile :D05:14
* MohammadAG only has a zImage atm so he has to use flasher05:14
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RobbieABI just need a couple of bits of functionality that aren't in the kernel.05:15
RobbieABIf I can use a loadable module to add them...05:15
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openstandardsis meego going to be anymore open?05:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: I'm tempted to post this to his public moaning: http://img263.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20100404at121.png/05:33
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bullet`hello room07:20
RobbieABHello bullet`07:21
bullet`hi07:21
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stillinbetaHello all. I'm trying to flash my n800 under Ubuntu Lucid, and I keep getting a "Device or Resource Busy." I've tried the modprobe -r cdc_phonet specified on the wiki. Any ideas?07:56
crashanddieinteresting http://www.mrgadget.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ironman.jpg08:04
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Stskeepswb wazd08:41
wazdStskeeps: heya :)08:42
Stskeepshow's stuff?08:43
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wazdStskeeps: want to sleep so much :P08:45
wazdStskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYMpudRSdk seen that? :)08:45
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Stskeepsyour work? :P08:49
Stskeepsalso, that's a mighty waste of screen estate..08:50
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wazdStskeeps: well, it looks cool for the ad, but since video samples are like 5 secs long -  not sure that they will not become boring after 30 minutes :)08:51
Stskeepshehe08:52
Stskeepsunless they show a live camera from where it does rain ;)08:52
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Stskeepswazd: saw the jogglers are down at 49 pound now btw?08:55
wazdStskeeps: I'm thinking on how to emulate "live picture" btw :)08:55
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wazdStskeeps: the who? :D08:56
Stskeepshttp://www.hotukdeals.com/item/646001/o2-joggler-49-99-now-with-free-app-08:56
Stskeepshackable to run linux :P08:56
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wazdoh08:56
Stskeepsplugging into DC only though08:57
Stskeeps1.6ghz atom pc, 7" 800x480 capactivie screen, 512mb ram08:57
Stskeepsusb plug, ethernet, wifi, mono speakers and speaker output plug08:58
wazdStskeeps: hmm-hmm :P08:58
Stskeepsruns Mer .. ;)08:58
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Stskeepsi'm personally worried about russian shipping though :P09:01
wazdStskeeps: it looks like it's desktop only terminal though :)09:02
Stskeepsit is without battery, yes09:03
Stskeepsbut extremely useful for prototyping09:03
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wazdStskeeps: well, nothing is better for prototyping than actual hardware :P09:20
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LiraNunawhy is my N900 disconnects so much from gtalk/skype?09:39
LiraNunait's not bad connectivity - the device is ~4 meters away from the router09:39
LiraNunaeven less09:39
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Stskeepsi think there's a bad timeout somewhere09:40
LiraNunaanything I can investigate?09:40
LiraNunaI think it's sucking useless battery09:41
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SurfaLiraNuna, battery doesn├Ąt have anything to do with that problem09:57
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Surfaand well, it doesn't guarantee anything if you're located 1m or 20m from the router, there are plenty of places to look problems, and quite certainly the problem isn't your n90009:58
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* RobbieAB has similar problems with his 3G connection10:01
RobbieABBut as Pidgin didn't experience them, I assumed it was related to an overly sensitive instant messenger.10:02
Surfain case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network10:02
Surfalive cellular networks are so crappu that most people can't even imagine how much data get's lost on them10:03
RobbieABSurfa: Probably. But as I said, Pidgin doesn't get disconnected from the same IM network10:03
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Surfait's still not the reason for problems :)10:04
RobbieABSurfa: MSN works perfectly from pidgin and not from the default IM program is NOT an indicator that it's not JUST a network problem?10:05
RobbieAB(Don't get me started on using the "Purple protocols" in the instant messenger)10:06
Surfapidgin has just hidden the real problems from you, it doesn't necessarily make it work any better10:06
Surfayou may e.g. lose messages silently or similar, even that it appears to work correctly10:07
LiraNuna<Surfa> in case of wlan first guess is crappy wlan ap, in case of 3g crappy operator network10:07
LiraNunaI don't think my AP is 'crappy'10:07
RobbieABAnd the same connection works fine in a 3G modem on a laptop?10:07
LiraNunaand it's constant disconnection10:07
LiraNunaat a semi-static rate10:08
LiraNuna~10 minutes or so10:08
SurfaLiraNuna, sounds like some nat keepalive problem10:08
SurfaRobbieAB, it's really easy to blame application for such problems, but quite often the problem isn't where it SEEMS to be.. not you or I can tell anything with this amount of information10:09
Surfawe'd need packet captures and other debugging information to be sure what the real problem is10:09
RobbieABSurfa: I am aware of that, but... It LOOKS like it's the application flagging accounts offline when the actual account has a longer timeout than the connection drop.10:10
SurfaLiraNuna, what brand is your wlan ap?10:10
LiraNunaWRT350N10:10
RobbieABWhich might make sense actually, if it's dealing with voice as opposed to text by default.10:10
SurfaI happen to know that e.g. linksys is really crappy with it's nat implementation10:10
LiraNunait's running dd-wrt10:10
LiraNunaSurfa, hw or software?10:11
Surfahow old is your ap, I got mine broken with similar symptoms just after warranty went out :)10:11
Surfalinksys whatever model, i can't remember10:11
LiraNuna~8 months?10:11
LiraNunait's not new, but not old either10:12
SurfaLiraNuna, sw at least, and personal experiences about the hw aren't very impressive either10:12
Surfado you have same problem with 3g?10:12
LiraNunaI never had network problems10:12
Surfaor gprs?10:12
LiraNunaSurfa, yes10:12
Surfaok, same isp on both or different?10:13
LiraNunaT-mobile vs Comcast10:13
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Surfahm ok, it could be worth investigating10:13
LiraNunaand at my workplace, where HSPDA is available (shows up as 3.5) happens as well10:14
Surfaif connectivity problems happen on different radiolinks and operators then most probable problems are out of question10:14
LiraNunafull reception10:14
LiraNunait gets annoying when I sleep10:15
LiraNunathere's a small sound when you go off and on10:15
Surfasomeone could try to file a bug or try to check if it could be made less sensitive for network problems10:15
LiraNunaI don't want to file a bug for something I can't prove10:16
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RobbieABSurfa: Surely sensitivity to problems has an impact on VoIP quality?10:16
Surfasomeone10:16
Surfanot you10:16
LiraNunaoh kay...10:16
SurfaRobbieAB, most likely yes10:16
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Surfathere needs to be some compromise between sensitivity and qos10:17
Surfabut well, if this is problem for multiple people it should be checked :)10:17
RobbieABWell, I can confirm that I have had problems with MSN (Pecan) when Pidgin works fine with no noticeable interruptions.10:18
RobbieABBeing me, I just stuck with pidgin for my IM needs, as I prefer the interface anyway for chatting.10:19
SurfaLiraNuna, what im did you say you had problems?10:19
Surfagtalk and msn? could it be pecan related issue?10:19
RobbieABI also had the problem with Skype. :D10:19
LiraNunaI don't know for sure - it says "one or more accounts" :/10:19
Surfaok :)10:20
RobbieABBut as Pidgin don't do Skype, I just sucked that one down.10:20
RobbieABAlso, the protocols for purple didn't seem to work, but I never pursued that (yet)10:21
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KongMobileany way to convert the LedPatthernEditor N900 application and make work whit N810 -Diablo? cause its suppose to be the same event and rgb led so if its faisable...let me know i come later see archive channel for wish responce10:37
* RobbieAB is finally getting his SDK set-up.10:38
RobbieABThan I will probably discover how horrible working with this kernel is. :D10:38
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tylerfixerHowdy! Quick question: does "Nokia Communication Center" in PC Suite allow you to send/receive SMS on your PC? It doesn't seem to work for me...10:55
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tylerfixerIt looks like my question was solved with a more specific search on the t.m.o forums.10:58
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noobmonk3ylol :P11:03
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rom1dephi there ! I played maybe too much with the extras-devel repo, so now I would like to go back with a more standard n900. What good advice do I have to keep in mind to properly switch back to a factory config ?11:21
RobbieABHmm... install the kernel source doesn't seem to bring in the kernel config  :(11:22
Stskeepsrom1dep:11:22
Stskeeps~flashing11:22
infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware11:22
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rom1dep'am reading, thanks Stskeeps !11:23
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SpeedEvilwow. Insannne.11:31
SpeedEvilEverything off, SIM out, mmc out just bq running - 4.5mA@4.1V11:31
Stskeepsbad or good?11:32
SpeedEvilinsanely good11:33
Stskeepsnokia is good at power savings traditionally11:33
SpeedEvil1200/5 hours standby11:33
SpeedEvil10 days11:33
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Stskeeps:nod:11:35
koala_mancan I trigger a shot in the default photo app through dbus?11:35
SpeedEvilyou can 'easily' take pics with gst-streamer11:39
SpeedEvilnot default11:39
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: 10 days is not that insanely good12:30
luke-jrmy watch seems to last years off a much weaker battery ;)12:31
SpeedEvil:)12:31
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200.12:31
luke-jrSpeedEvil: SIGSTOP BME and such?12:33
noobmonk3ylcuk,  are you around? :D12:33
Ken-YoungSpeedEvil, thanks, that's an interesting wiki page.12:33
luke-jr(obviously remove it from AC first)12:33
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noobmonk3yw00t_, or possibly even better, are you around? :D12:34
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Ken-YoungSpeedEvil, am I reading that correctly, 3G is 5 *amps* ?12:35
SpeedEvilno12:35
Ken-Young+5 what, then?12:35
Chikuwhat is bq27200?12:36
SpeedEvilmA12:36
SpeedEvilthe charge meter chip12:36
SpeedEvilKen-Young: reload12:36
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koala_manSpeedEvil: I'm trying to take a photo with gstreamer. how do I get the automatic brightness adjustment?12:37
SpeedEvildunno12:37
noobmonk3yspeed - gstreamer in xterm?12:37
SpeedEvilluke-jr: no.12:37
noobmonk3yi opened the buffers longer to get better lightin12:38
noobmonk3yg12:38
SpeedEvilluke-jr: this is simply 'stock' device so far12:38
SpeedEvilluke-jr: no smartreflex, no killing shit.12:38
noobmonk3ySpeedEvil, gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=100 ! dspjpegenc ! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/fcamtest.jpg  - works fine for me, unless you are trying to do something more specific? (also which cam?)12:39
SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y: I wasn't12:40
noobmonk3yoh ok:P12:40
noobmonk3ysorry koala_man12:40
noobmonk3ylol12:40
noobmonk3yiomg i'm not awake12:40
* noobmonk3y apologises!12:40
* SpeedEvil pours ice-cream over noobmonk3y.12:40
* noobmonk3y giggles... and gets back to figuring out the proximity sensor12:40
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ShadowJKxchat on 3g witth regular activity shows 230mA for me :)12:42
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SpeedEvilI believe that12:42
SpeedEvilI've not done 3G tests yet12:42
SpeedEvilas that would involve getting off the sofa12:42
noobmonk3ylol i'm on 3g joiku at the mo12:43
noobmonk3yneed something tested?12:43
SpeedEvilnaah12:43
* noobmonk3y gets back to self-ice-cream-smothering12:43
SpeedEvilthe interesting parts from me are the aboce page pretty much12:43
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SpeedEvil4.5mA idle, 1.5mA more powersaving wifi on, 50mA more on screen on, up to 80mA more on backlight.12:44
SpeedEvilfor me12:44
SpeedEvils/from me/for me/12:44
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SpeedEvilIt shows that further optimisation of the idle power isn't a priority. (for me).12:46
SpeedEvilBut that getting it to stay idle is.12:46
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ShadowJKI've been saying all along that it's all about the wakeups ;)12:47
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SpeedEvilI disagree.12:48
SpeedEvilIt's about important wakeups.12:48
SpeedEvilSome have little impact on poweruse12:49
TerjeAny wakeup has an impact on power use.12:49
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SpeedEvilNope.12:49
SpeedEvilNot if it's immediately following a previous one, and the hardware hasn't gone back to sleep.12:49
SpeedEvilIn that case, it can be almost free.12:49
TerjeSpeedEvil, hair splitting.12:49
TerjeBut true.12:50
SpeedEvilIt's absolutely _NOT_ hairsplitting12:50
SpeedEvilA simple wakeups/second will utterly mislead you in some cases.12:50
SpeedEvilAs 10 wakeups in a millisecond are much less expensive than 5 wakeups spread over a second12:51
TerjeSpeedEvil, I consider a wakeup something you do from sleep. If the device is not in sleep when there's something to do, it's not a wakeup in these terms. But you might have a different definition.12:51
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SpeedEvilI'm using the definition of 'a hardware or software interrupt that causes the device to wakeup and do something'12:52
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SpeedEvilwhich is what powertop et al use - AIUI12:52
marcusHow do I save a file edited using vi FILENAME? :P12:52
SpeedEvilwakeups are not strictly wakeups12:52
* ShadowJK wonders what standby is like with sleep-when-idle off12:52
SpeedEvilmarcus: esc ZZ12:52
marcusDouble Z?12:52
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SpeedEvilyes12:52
TerjeSpeedEvil, ok. I'm not able to wake up if I'm not asleep, but PowerTop might disagree then. :-)12:52
marcuscheers12:52
Terjemarcus, :wq does the same thing.12:53
SpeedEvilTerje: yes - it's a sloppy definition used by powertop et al, but I understand measuring the proper thing - actual wakeups - requires lots more kernel12:53
Terjemarcus, if you just want to save, not quit, say ":w".12:53
SpeedEvilTerje: the keyboard is clearly designed so ZZ is the correct one.12:53
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SpeedEvilTerje: lots more kernel hackery12:53
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TerjeSpeedEvil, time for somebody to do some coding then.12:55
SpeedEvilyes12:55
marcusTerje: How do I make the : ?12:55
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Terjemarcus, you probably have a Scandinavian keyboard, so FN-L. FN is the button with blue arrow.12:56
marcusTerje: Indeed, question is though, if I have to write the :w like if was I was editing the file?12:57
SpeedEvilWhat would be ideal would be some way of accounting all this shit. For example - an incoming tcp/ip packet. It gets assigned a cost as it comes out of the wifi/3g adaptor as to how much energy was used to recieve it. This cost then gets assigned to Xchat - as it hits the application layer. With all the wakeups and stuff counted.12:57
SpeedEvilbut that is _hard_12:57
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marcusI dunno how to enter command mode :P12:57
SpeedEvilSo you get a true powertop12:57
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marcusAha! Escape button!12:57
SpeedEvilwhere xchat is listed as 34mW12:57
Terjemarcus, : enters the command mode.12:57
nocturnaldoes anyone know how to do a < or > on the n900 keyboard in maemo 5?12:57
SpeedEvilnocturnal: it's in symbols12:58
marcusnocturnal: Blue Arrow + button above it I assume12:58
SpeedEvilnocturnal: hold blue arrow, press button above it, release button above it, release blue arrow12:58
SpeedEvilpress >12:58
SpeedEvilpress it again because it lit up, but does not do anything12:59
SpeedEvilsigh at ineptitude of coding.12:59
nocturnalooooh wow12:59
nocturnalthis is the first time i see the on screen keyboard12:59
marcusoh crap12:59
marcusi just edited the boot video, and now it displays my new one and the old one? o.o12:59
marcusafter the first one -> the hands one come12:59
SpeedEviledited how?12:59
marcuspasted the .avi file into /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/13:00
marcusedited (via vi) /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf13:00
marcusI backupped the old on first13:00
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marcusso I have default.conf and backupdefault.conf in same dir13:00
TerjeSpeedEvil, that's be an awesome tool. Also does the same about all other hardware state changes.13:00
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marcusAHA! v2- Go to /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and edit the default.conf file or create a similar one (the videos will play by the alphabetic order of the .conf files)13:04
marcusso I should delete backupdefault.conf?13:04
cehtehhehe if you want to annoy a friend you load all 3 LOTR films on his device and configure them as bootvideo :)13:05
noobmonk3yhmmmmmm i wonder if there is a way with joikuspot to force people to a local web page on initial load? like a web cafe etc?13:06
cehtehEpic Bootsequence [tm]13:06
Terjemarcus, move to another folder.13:06
marcuscehteh: that would just be mean :D13:06
marcusTerje: Possible by making a new folder _inside_ hildon-welcome.d?13:06
Terjemarcus, try it. Either it'll work or then your device will not boot anymore.13:07
marcus._.13:07
marcus._.13:07
TerjeOops, change that. Don't try it. :-)13:07
ShadowJKah, the overclocking thread... 950MHz13:07
marcusTerje: Guess I just move it to home/usr/MyDocs/backup13:07
Terjemarcus, a good idea.13:08
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marcusTerje: Oh crapzor, didnt work ._.13:10
noobmonk3ycould someone please help? - figured out how to get keypress events in pyqt, using def keyPressEvent(self, event): , i also know how to read the proximity sensor in dbus, but can i set that as a similar event? ie use the proximity sensor instead of a key?13:10
marcusHmm, got another idea.13:10
noobmonk3ypyqt*13:10
noobmonk3y(and have tried #qt-maemo - no-one in ;) )13:10
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noobmonk3ycehteh, i think debbie does dallas on loop 50+ times should be entertaining, especially if that friend happens to be turning his phone on during church etc ;)13:12
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pupnik_TTE playing mp3 through alsa with a couple webpages open and irssi running and screen off says about 900 minutes :)13:15
marcusSay I'm in /usr/share/bla/ to copy a file called test.html, how would I cp that from the same directory, to /home/usr/MyDocs/? It would be something acoording to the lines: "cp test.html but_what_about_here13:15
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rom1dephumm, seems I can't flash my n900 ... Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy13:19
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pupnik_marcus: cp test.html /home/user/MyDocs/13:19
marcuspupnik_: wouldn't that make the cmd think that I wanted it to go to /usr/share/bla/home/user/MyDocs/?13:20
pupnik_no13:20
marcusgoodie13:20
pupnik_assuming you meant s/wouldn't/would :)13:20
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rom1depso what can I do now ?13:22
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Treibholzhmm, for some reason the mediaplayer can't find any media anymore...13:24
Treibholzno videos and no music...13:24
marcusrom1dep: Quote from wiki: If you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet"13:24
marcushttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware13:25
Treibholzis this behaviour known?13:25
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rom1dephumm shame on me, I missed it... thanks marcus !13:28
marcusrom1dep: No problem (:13:29
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rom1depjust another dumb question... has pr 1.2 been officialy landed ?13:38
nidOno13:38
rom1depI see no such update available when I manually check it up with hildon-appmanager13:38
rom1depok...13:39
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noobmonk3y_hmmm#13:39
nidOno you13:40
noobmonk3y_am i back?13:40
noobmonk3y_lol13:40
noobmonk3y_joiku had a hissyfit13:40
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infobot~pong13:40
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rom1depisn't that great oO13:41
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noobmonk3y_~ping13:43
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noobmonk3y_wow that ws slow for me :|13:44
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* noobmonk3y prods lcuk 14:07
noobmonk3yhmmm anyone using usb networking?14:10
noobmonk3yconnected to the net fine on it14:10
noobmonk3ybut would like to use winscp to transfer files :D14:10
noobmonk3y(I know i can use knokia file suite thingy, or explore, but its a bit of a farse compared with winscp)14:10
Treibholznoobmonk3y: you need to install the openssh-server.14:11
noobmonk3ylol got that14:11
noobmonk3yall works fine14:11
noobmonk3yquestion is more around ip's14:11
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noobmonk3ylappy seems to have an external ip , not an internal one like when i use joiku14:11
Treibholzyou need to set it up with ifconfig.14:11
RobbieABhmm...14:12
RobbieABDoes bluetooth use more or less power than wifi?14:12
TreibholzThey(tm) say bt needs less.14:13
noobmonk3yso pretty much http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb14:13
noobmonk3yhmmmm14:13
RobbieABTreibholz: that's what I thought.14:13
Treibholznoobmonk3y: so what exactly doesn't work?14:14
RobbieABI was wondering if I was being an idiot trying to set up BT PAN Access Point mode on my N90014:14
noobmonk3yTreibholz,  - normally i winscp to my device on joiku connection using the 192 address, i'm assuming the public 10. address i'm connected to now via Nokia suite will not work in the same way14:15
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Treibholzwhat is joiku?14:16
noobmonk3ywireless hotspot :D14:16
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noobmonk3yworks well, but - bit flakey at times, so usb should be more stable14:16
RobbieABnoobmonk3y: It sounds like the USB is acting as a modem, and not as a network router.14:17
noobmonk3yyeah i think so......14:17
noobmonk3ygonna try and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48992&highlight=ifconfig+usb14:17
noobmonk3ybut no idea what dropbear is :P14:17
Treibholzdropbear is an ssh-server14:17
RobbieABdropbear is an embedded SSH server.14:17
RobbieABdesigned to be lightweight.14:18
noobmonk3yhmmmm so not the same as the openssh server i have atm14:18
Treibholzbut you don't want dropbear14:18
RobbieABNo, it's not.14:18
Treibholzyou want openssh14:18
RobbieABDepends what you are doing, dropbear has it's tradeoffs14:18
* RobbieAB has used dropbear sometimes14:19
TreibholzRobbieAB: he wants WinSCP, so sftp would be great.14:19
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Treibholzand sftp is not included in dropbear14:19
noobmonk3ylol might just turn joiku back on, just want to transfer files in the same way for an hour or so ;)14:19
RobbieABTreibholz: Well, there is that. I did say there were tradeoffs.14:19
noobmonk3yinternet works fine, but coding in python, so constantly transfering a file across14:19
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noobmonk3yjust gets tedioous using explorer etc14:20
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RobbieABnoobmonk3y: If you have it hooked in by USB, can't you copy it across using the filemanager?14:20
noobmonk3yyup can... but as i said, tedious compared the simple winscp drag across14:20
noobmonk3yespecially as it is very repetetive14:20
Treibholznoobmonk3y: did you setup the network on the windows-side? (I assume you use windows...)14:20
RobbieABUm, ok.14:20
noobmonk3yTreibholz, windows 7 - no network, just connected via nokia suite atm14:20
* MohammadAG says hi14:21
noobmonk3yso yes, i could do it another method, was just hoping it was possible to do it the same way :D14:21
* noobmonk3y waves at MohammadAG 14:21
Treibholznoobmonk3y: if you want to use a network-connection, you have to setup a network-connection.14:21
* RobbieAB wouldn't use WinSCP anyway.14:21
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, figured out how to do the proximity part - just stuck on one part14:21
* MohammadAG waves back and says "I have a suggestion"14:21
MohammadAGwhat's the part?14:21
noobmonk3yTreibholz,  thankee for your help (and patience!) - but i'll just swap back to joiku :D14:21
MohammadAGlol14:21
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lcukmorning noobmonk3y happy easter - i have been hibernating :)14:44
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SpeedEvil_funky. 2g almost flat out is comparable with 5s pings only over 3.5g14:46
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ShadowJKat 6s it should start dropping off ;)14:48
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* noobmonk3y blinks14:53
noobmonk3y~ping14:53
infobot~pong14:53
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noobmonk3yyay14:53
noobmonk3yinfobot loves me14:53
infobotYes, I do love you!14:53
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SpeedEvil_ShadowJK: I'm about to put up some numbers14:57
SpeedEvil_been multitasking14:57
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Annaahttp://tinypic.zapto.org/2kn4m8.png?t=1270381887 do my breasts look to big?14:59
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SpeedEvil_http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4488940691/ and power testing.15:00
SpeedEvil_railway sleepers are heavy15:00
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lcukSpeedEvil_, yeah they are very heavy15:03
lcukespecially with trains sleeping on them15:03
SpeedEvil_these have not been sleeping under trains for a while15:04
lcukhow long did it take you to cut the left hand one to size?15:04
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SpeedEvil60s15:11
SpeedEvilpowertools++15:11
SpeedEvilwell - actually - more like 4 mins of buggering about15:11
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lcukheh SpeedEvil15:13
lcuki would likely cut my leg off or something15:13
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lcukhi crashanddie \o15:13
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Shapeshifteryay tmo died15:15
w00t_noobmonk3y: sup15:15
crashanddieyo lcuk15:16
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lcukhey w00t_ \o15:16
w00t_moin lcuk :)15:16
crashanddielcuk: I've decided to give my kids famous names... so I wouldn't forget 'em15:16
noobmonk3ylol w00t_  np think i wracked my brains enough to figure it out :) - was trying to figure out if there is a dbus call state thing, similar to a keypress event ;)15:16
lcukperhaps you can help guide noobmonk3y to making a new kind of signal/slot (or point him to existing api)15:16
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lcukw00t_, ^15:16
noobmonk3ylcuk,  babysat me again and i'ma gonna hunt it down tonight15:16
crashanddielcuk: "Please meet my sons, Adolf, Manson and Mugabe"15:17
noobmonk3yShapeshifter,  - yeah sorry, trying to conenct, think i killed it ;)15:17
lcukcrashanddie, *rolleyes*15:17
crashanddie:D15:17
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lcuki named first son luke15:17
crashanddieBut I guess Tracy didn't go for Sky and Walker?15:18
lcukif we had a girl next we were gonna call her leia15:18
fralslol15:18
crashanddielcuk: it's a good thing you didn't. Nobody knows how to spell Leya15:19
crashanddieLeia15:19
crashanddieLea?15:19
noobmonk3ylayer15:19
* lcuk spelt it correctly :)15:19
crashanddieok15:19
noobmonk3ylayer, middle name cake?15:19
rom1dephann, fmms is always in extras-devel >.<15:19
lcukoi! thats my potential daughter we are talking about15:19
crashanddieYou have no idea how annoying it is to have "How do you spell that?" as an answer to your name15:21
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noobmonk3ylayer-cake-maemo-n900 Birkett?15:21
* SpeedEvil has a less-common variant.15:21
lcukcrashanddie, i have trouble spelling my own middle name!15:22
* lcuk has often gotten it wrong and had to cross it out on app forms :$15:22
* noobmonk3y has to go play football - back in a bit ;)15:22
lcuki use it so infrequently15:22
lcukcya later noobmonk3y15:22
noobmonk3yciaooo15:22
crashanddielcuk: most forms don't have enough space to accomodate all of my names :)15:22
noobmonk3ythanks lcuk / w00t_  / MohammadAG15:22
w00t_np :)15:23
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200.15:23
SpeedEvilnumbers for 2/3g are in a good signal area15:23
w00t_that makes me really wish three offered 2G again :P15:24
haltdefthey just use orange for 2g in the uk15:25
haltdefmostly gprs :/15:25
ptl_demands_PR12good morning!15:25
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Shapeshiftermh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -C foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900.15:29
Shapeshifters/-C/-X/15:29
infobotShapeshifter meant: mh. does someone know how I can make x2x share a clipboard? I'm running ssh -X foo@ip 'x2x -west -from :0' on my n900 and I can share the mouse and keyboard but I can't copy something on my desktop and paste in the CLI on the n900.15:29
dan2003I'm suddenly getting input/output error in ESBox when trying to lauch app on device, have tried rebooting it ans hasnt helped, any ideas?15:29
Shapeshifterinfobot is such a spammer.15:29
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auenfShapeshifter, but i so want that feature on my bot ;)15:38
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lcukn900@bowling and have strike already. bet this winning streak doesnt continud15:59
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* MohammadAG built the latest version of PSX4ALL against a PR1.1.1 SDK, if anyone wants it...16:01
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cehtehSpeedEvil: is it possible to configure screen brightness to off or how the 5 brightness settings map to real brightness levels in the hardware?16:10
cehteh.. possible in relation with the brightness sensor16:11
* cehteh doh's about closed source cruft16:11
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chadiHi. On my N900, i have a certain app in the "More" section. How can i launch it from the terminal?16:16
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chaditried: qtirreco, it says: qtirreco: not found16:16
chadialso tried /etc/init.d/qtirreco start, also fails16:17
cehtehmaybe its named differently qtirreco-bin or so .. try to find its '.desktop' file and investigate that16:18
chadithank you16:19
dan2003chadi: try qtir<tab>16:19
dan2003ir shoudl comlete the rest for you16:19
chadidan2003: does not show its rest...16:19
chadidan2003: also tried twice, in case there are several ones starting with qtir, none.16:20
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chadicehteh: can you remind me where those .desktop files are located? i remember it was somewhere in /usr/hildon16:20
dan2003that woudl sugest it doesnt start qtir, maybe Qt ir just irec/Ire, also, if its not in the system PATH it wont work wihotut a full path to it,16:20
cehtehbtw the ir daemon is a power hog, only turn it on when needed16:21
cehtehno i dont know where the desktop files are16:22
dan2003find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop16:23
MohammadAG/usr/share/applications/hildon/16:24
dan2003find /usr/share/ -name *.desktop | grep ire16:24
SpeedEvilceh16:25
cehtehyes?16:25
chadiyep16:26
chadifound it16:26
chadiexec=/opt/maemo/usr/bin/qtirreco .. doesn't this sound a bit weird?16:26
SpeedEvilhttp://www.mauve.plus.com/backlight16:27
SpeedEviltrivial script16:27
cehtehSpeedEvil: yes i know that, but i am more interested on a configuration/controlled way16:27
chadicehteh yeah, indeed, I won't use the IR all the time. I just want to test that app. It doesn't seem to work though16:28
cehtehlike having the lowest backlight setting actually turning it off16:28
SpeedEvilcehteh: ah16:28
SpeedEvilcehteh: that would be good16:28
chadiand the app doesn't even have debug mode :/16:28
cehtehand if the ambient brightness is over a certain treshold then turn it off again too, in bright sunlight even the brightest setting cant compete with it. its just a waste of pwoer16:29
cehtehalso the brightness sensor is bit overreacting here16:29
cehtehthats really for what i want such as open source16:29
SpeedEvilspeaking practically16:29
SpeedEvilThe differcne is not completely overwhelming16:30
cehtehdifference between?16:30
SpeedEvilit's maybe half power use at 100% brightness and screen active but nothing else16:30
SpeedEvilat lowest brightness setting - it's probably in the noise, for most usecases16:31
cehtehyeah but still .. if you mount it on a bike or car dashboard at daytime it makes a difference16:31
SpeedEvilnot really.16:31
SpeedEvilthe backlight makes a big difference at some sun angles16:31
SpeedEvileven though the brightness sensor is still pinned16:31
cehtehlowest brightness setting with very bright ambient light turns the brightness quite much up16:31
cehtehyep16:32
SpeedEvil~24h of book-reading or other low-cpu-use stuff is possible though16:33
infobotSpeedEvil: that's too long16:33
SpeedEvilwith backlight off16:33
SpeedEvilhuh?16:33
SpeedEviloh16:33
* SpeedEvil stabs infobot.16:33
cehtehwell 3hrs 3g and gps with a mapping app is possible too :P not enough for a bike ride16:34
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RST38hthat's kinda low16:38
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RST38hhttp://apikabu.ru/img/MDYyNW.png16:41
* RST38h cackles16:41
nidOipad teardown?16:41
Ken-YoungiPhone16:41
nidOlook again16:41
Ken-YoungI don't get it.16:42
MohammadAGit's just a bigger iPhone16:42
MohammadAG(the iPad)16:42
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Ken-YoungOh, OK.16:42
cehtehone ipad battery is as big as the iphone16:42
nidOit might be a more intricate version of this april fools product16:43
Veggenexcept it's not a phone.16:43
nidOhttp://www.iwantoneofthose.com/pad-dock/index.html16:43
MohammadAGoh it's an iPod Touch16:43
MohammadAGt-tan, ping16:44
Ken-YoungThey should just have an iPod touch and a fresnel lens.16:44
t-tanpong16:44
MohammadAGt-tan, how do I reflash a kernel on device, using flasher?16:45
t-tanwhat kind of kernel? self-compiled zImage?16:45
cehtehusing flash twice .. one to try your kernel, the second time to unbrick it :)16:45
MohammadAGyeah16:45
SpeedEvil~closed16:45
infobotit has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages16:45
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MohammadAGcehteh, the kernel can be reflashed OTA, I just don't know how :)16:46
MohammadAGkernel-flasher-maemo does it, as well as kernel-flasher16:46
t-tanfiasco-gen -o zImage.fiasco -g -k zImage -v $(RELEASE)16:47
t-tanwith sdk-fiasco-gen installed16:47
t-tanthen /sbin/fiasco-image-update zImage.fiasco16:48
chadican I ask questions about N900 here?16:49
Ken-Youngchadi, Yes.16:49
MohammadAGt-tan, that's for flashing a kernel?16:49
MohammadAGsdk-fiasco-gen - Utility for generating FIASCO images16:49
chadiI would like to change the boot screen, but I need a media that can be played by the device. What file format and encoding whould I use?16:50
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MohammadAGXviD16:50
chaditried avi with H.264, it said media not supported16:50
t-tanyes, for on device. via USB use the flasher-3.516:50
t-tanMohammadAG: which kernel bricked your N900?16:50
MohammadAGI know about the USB method, just wanted to know how to flash OTA16:50
MohammadAGt-tan, none :)16:50
chadiby the way, MohammadAG, aren'tyou the guy who posted the 1.2 screenshots? :)16:51
MohammadAGyeah16:51
t-tanthe kernel image in my package is proprocessed per fiasco-gen16:51
MohammadAGt-tan, oh so your package contains a .fiasco image?16:51
t-tanyep16:51
MohammadAGahynes1, thought it was a normal zImage16:52
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MohammadAGI thought of using flasher, but that didn't work, even with --local16:52
MohammadAGthanks t-tan :)16:53
MohammadAGany updates on adding the JoikuSpot Bouncer module?16:53
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chadiMohammadAG: you said xvid, what about it? isn't it h.264?16:53
t-tanMohammadAG: in theory it should work with my new rules but in practice...16:54
MohammadAGit doesn't, lol16:54
MohammadAGchadi, I thought it was h.26316:54
MohammadAGnot sure though16:54
MohammadAGif it's XviD and the device plays it in the mediaplayer it should work16:55
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MohammadAGt-tan, just seen your post, I'll try it in a bit. Is the DSP overclocked by default?16:56
t-tanMohammadAG: please wait. I found some problem16:56
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chadiMohammadAG: it works, ty :)16:59
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MohammadAGnp :)17:03
SpeedEvilhttp://www.pylonofthemonth.org/17:03
SpeedEviloops17:03
MohammadAGt-tan, thanks, generated fiasco images from the oc'd kernels, so if I get problems I'll just reflash on the go17:04
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joker_89hi17:15
ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: what a crazy interesting page17:15
Shapeshifter>.>17:15
joker_89anyone knows how i can get the last insert id in a e32db database?17:15
ghostcube_maemohi17:16
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tmdyhi17:26
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tmdyI installed the meego N900. How to Restore maemo5 available?17:27
Stskeeps~flashing17:27
infobothmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware17:27
Stskeepsgo to that URL for instructions :)17:27
MohammadAGhow'd you install it if you don't know how to reflash...17:28
tmdyI tried flashing failed.17:29
haltdefmeego not ready to replace maemo yet I guess? :p17:29
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MohammadAGhaltdef, it's only a bash shell17:29
haltdefah17:29
MohammadAG(for now)17:29
tmdy;;17:30
MohammadAGtmdy, what do you mean by flashing failed17:30
tmdyerrors17:30
tmdyUsing flashing protocol Mk II.17:30
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tmdySU_VERIFY_COMMS_REQ timed out.17:31
Stskeepsturn off device completely, pull out battery, put USB cable in computer and device, start flasher, wait until it says it's waiting, then plug in device17:32
tmdyThese messages are output to the flashing ends.17:32
MohammadAGtmdy, try another PC17:32
tmdyWhen you connect the usb plug bash script does not recognize the screen.17:33
tmdysure17:33
MohammadAGtmdy, what bash script?17:33
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tmdysorry xterm17:33
MohammadAGflasher is a binary, MeeGo doesn't have to do with reflashing17:33
tmdyThis event (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48914) is identical.17:35
tmdyTry a different PC.17:36
MohammadAGtmdy, what's the image named?17:36
tmdymeego ? maemo?17:36
MohammadAGMaemo17:37
tmdyRX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin17:37
tmdyflasher-3.517:37
tmdymaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.217:38
Stskeepsdid you follow my instructions? :P17:38
MohammadAGTurn off your device17:38
MohammadAGcompletely17:38
MohammadAGStskeeps, I'm repeating them :)17:38
chadiMohammadAG: works fine as a boot screen! :D17:39
MohammadAGRemember that it doesn't turn off using the power button in MeeGo17:39
MohammadAGtry halt or shutdown -h17:39
MohammadAGchadi, cool :D17:39
MohammadAGchadi, uploading it?17:39
chadiindeed, i have it somewhere on youtube17:39
chadiMohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk48UV7zG0M17:40
chadiits' the last part of the final fantasy boot screen posted by one of the forummembers17:40
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matthew_Hellou17:41
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matthew_Any chance of getting all of my email accounts in 'one' inbox?17:41
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MohammadAGchadi, it's already available on the net :)17:42
MohammadAGchadi, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujF3bKDs52A17:42
chadireally? I did this on my own, using adobe premiere17:42
tmdytrun off , completely17:43
MohammadAGtmdy, how are you sure it's off?17:43
MohammadAGchadi, I believe you, the FF video didn't say it was copied17:43
chadiMohammadAG though in mine, I added a small delay on the Nokia N900, if you notice17:44
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tmdyhalt command to cut the power.17:44
MohammadAGslide the keyboard open and hold U17:45
tmdyyes17:46
MohammadAGkeep holding U and plug the cable in, keep holding U while doing this17:46
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MohammadAGtill you see the USB icon17:46
tmdytry it17:46
tmdyBacklight gone "NOKIA" appears after the character xterm started.17:48
tmdyPerhaps you broken?17:48
MohammadAGwhat xterm!?17:48
MohammadAGI'm not broken, although I'm assuming your english isn't good and that wasn't an insult ...17:48
ghostcube_maemoheh17:49
tmdyBacklight has gone like this http://www.students.tut.fi/ ~ haapasa4/n900_meego.jpg17:49
tmdysorry i'm japanese17:50
chadiit happened once that my N900 rebooted after opening x-term17:50
MohammadAGI said hold u, it should go into MeeGo17:50
MohammadAGchadi, different subjects, VERY different :)17:50
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chadiMohammadAG oops sorry, wasn't following. thanks for the youtube link, though17:51
MohammadAGno worries and np :P17:51
tmdyLet's go to the room Meego17:51
MohammadAGno17:51
MohammadAGkeep that for development17:52
MohammadAGit's enough that this one turned into what it wasn't before the N900 came17:52
MohammadAGanyways17:52
MohammadAGtmdy, pull out the battery, hold U, plug the cable and put the battery17:52
MohammadAGkeep holding U while doing so17:52
tmdysure17:53
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tmdyAfter all, xterm will start ...17:55
MohammadAGdoes anyone mind helping me explain?17:56
MohammadAG(cc Stskeeps)17:56
Stskeepsyou're on right track :P17:56
MohammadAGlol17:56
matthew_No?17:57
tmdyTry a Windows17:58
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ghostcube_maemowhere do you hold down u ? on the N900 only to be sure17:59
ghostcube_maemodamn17:59
matthew_And anyone using the RaeMote?18:03
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lcukMohammadAG, i take out battery, plug in usb, start the flasher doofer - when it says waiting, just plug in battery and watch the magic happen.  never pressed a key on the n900 screen ever18:19
MohammadAGlcuk, that's cause you had the battery out18:19
MohammadAGI usually reboot and hold u while it's rebooting18:20
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lcukyeah thats the only 100% reproducable method ive used18:20
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* noobmonk3y is a broken man.........18:21
lcuknoobmonk3y, lost at football?18:22
* lcuk won bowling18:22
noobmonk3yno won.... which means finals on wednesday :|18:22
lcukhahaha18:22
noobmonk3yi have no knees left :|18:22
noobmonk3ywas in goal and let zero in...... i must have done something wrong :|18:22
noobmonk3ydid help that my team are a bunch of 18 year olds ;)18:23
lcuki was playin footie last time we went away and i went to kick the ball and slipped on the all weather18:23
lcuktotally winded myself as i fell flat on my back18:23
lcukyou are just an old fart18:23
noobmonk3yhahaha18:24
noobmonk3yand yes, yes i am18:24
noobmonk3ywell done on the bowling tho :D18:24
lcuktracy is again disputing my win18:24
lcukbecause it came right down to the last ball18:24
lcukand i managed to get a spare18:24
lcukshes still not forgiven me18:24
noobmonk3ylol!!!!18:25
noobmonk3ycheat ftw ;)18:25
lcuknot cheat!  you sound like her lol18:26
noobmonk3yhahaha18:26
lcuki wouldv lost by 2 points if it hadnt given me that extra ball :D18:26
noobmonk3ytold you, cheat - extra balls... blah blah18:26
lcukshe mustv been gearing up her winning song18:26
noobmonk3y:D18:26
noobmonk3y:P18:26
lcukdear god, you best not gloat @teebee76 if she thinks people support her that will make her 10x worse to live with lol18:27
noobmonk3yawwwwwwwwww18:27
lcukhttp://twitter.com/teebee76   look at what happened when we reached stalemate in chess18:28
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noobmonk3yhahahaha!!!!18:29
noobmonk3yawwww to the 1 follower :(18:30
noobmonk3ymuhahahahaha 218:30
lcukshe only joined up to talk with me, it would be the same if i went on facebook18:30
lcuklol18:30
lcukshe has about a zillion people there but none of her mates use twitter18:30
noobmonk3yahhh18:31
noobmonk3yhavnt been on either much recently18:31
noobmonk3yright.....18:31
noobmonk3yi need to figure out menus....18:31
noobmonk3ywhy oh why is the pyqt menu's so rubbish.......18:31
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lcukyo javispedro18:34
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javispedrohello lcuk18:34
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javispedrolcuk, hey, may I ask you a favor? can you test if you're able to edit your own apps (get to the page where you can add screenshots, ...) in maemo.org/downloads?18:36
javispedrolcuk, to save you having to search for it: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/liqflow/18:36
lcukwhich bits of apps need editing?18:36
lcuki know the description used to be editable18:36
javispedrocan you get to the edit page at least?18:37
lcukbut is now picked up direct from the package18:37
lcukso any edits on website are reverted18:37
javispedroI need to edit the screenshots on my apps,18:37
javispedrobut it keeps telling me I don't have enough permission and that I need to login (which of course I am already)18:37
javispedroand before pinging you-know-who ;) I'd like to check if it's something global or "it's-just-me"18:38
lcukjavispedro, greyed out18:39
javispedrointeresting18:39
* noobmonk3y is just testing too18:40
noobmonk3ygreayed out too18:40
noobmonk3ygreyed*18:40
javispedroso, no way to add new screenshots... :P18:40
javispedronoobmonk3y, lcuk: ta!18:40
lcukX-Fade,18:41
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noobmonk3ynp :D18:42
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javispedroX-Fade: there?18:42
* MohammadAG follows lcuk on Twitter18:43
MohammadAGnever knew anyone had a Twitter account18:43
MohammadAGexcept noobmonk3y18:43
noobmonk3yhehehe18:43
* noobmonk3y stalks MohammadAG on twitter18:43
* lcuk follows MohammadAG on twitter 18:43
noobmonk3ystalks/follows.... meh same18:43
* MohammadAG says thanks18:43
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, I use stalks sometimes :P18:44
noobmonk3y:D :D18:44
noobmonk3yright...18:44
noobmonk3ywho to pester about pyqt today, i wonder if w00t_  is around :D18:44
lcukjust ask in general18:44
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noobmonk3ygood point..... Well trying to figure out how to resolve my menu issues again at the moment i add a menu and cant add separators or anything else.... doesnt seem to easy to manage18:45
noobmonk3yso i would really like menu a) - 3 buttons, separator, menu b........18:46
javispedromenus in hildon are really limited18:46
noobmonk3ytried qpopups, but they dont seem to exist or i havnt got it working yet18:46
noobmonk3yjavispedro, the gtk ones look nice :D18:46
noobmonk3yjust not the qt ones18:46
javispedroyes but they can only hold buttons18:46
javispedronot even separators iirc18:46
noobmonk3ythats all i need :D - well, would like more, but all i need atm18:46
noobmonk3yahhh that answers my separator issue18:46
noobmonk3yand they all have the same word in them.......18:47
noobmonk3yie i used - fremantle = MainWindow.menuBar().addMenu("Update");18:47
noobmonk3yso then all buttons have the word update in them18:47
w00t_noobmonk3y: you can't really add anything except buttons, unfortunately18:47
w00t_oh18:47
w00t_javispedro beat me to it :)18:47
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noobmonk3y:D - can i add them without all having the same word in them?18:47
noobmonk3yso i use the above line to create the menu, but then when i add a button like - act = fremantle.addAction("All")18:48
w00t_do they appear as Foo/Bar?18:48
noobmonk3yit becomes Update All18:48
noobmonk3yyeah18:48
noobmonk3yUpdate / Bar18:48
w00t_right18:48
noobmonk3yfoobar, good description ;)18:48
w00t_you're using Qt 4.5, that will be magically fixed for you with Qt 4.618:48
noobmonk3yahaaaaaa18:48
noobmonk3yso nothing i can do now, just hold and do the best i can with this :D18:48
w00t_yeah :)18:48
noobmonk3ycoolio! - thankee very much :D18:49
noobmonk3yhappy with that, as it means that i didnt do it wrong in the first place lol18:49
MohammadAGumm, does everyone have a fiasco-flasher? cause I don't18:49
noobmonk3yassuming there is no way to position the buttons then?18:50
noobmonk3ythey just go into the arc two by two?18:50
w00t_yep18:50
javispedroheh. bug #982518:50
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9825 Cannot upload screenshot ("Edit" is grayed)18:50
javispedro;)18:50
* noobmonk3y votes on bug18:50
noobmonk3yhmmmmmmmm18:51
* MohammadAG can confirm it, if only he had an app in extras...18:51
noobmonk3ymight as well concentrate on something more useful then.......18:51
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  - i confirmed18:51
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  Lcuk confirmed18:51
MohammadAGconfirm as in change the bug status to NEW18:51
noobmonk3ylol18:52
javispedroit does that automatically after a few votes18:52
MohammadAGit's UNCONFIRMED atm18:52
MohammadAGyeah I know18:52
* noobmonk3y waits for it to login18:52
noobmonk3ydo i use   Confirm bug (change status to NEW)  ?18:52
noobmonk3ynot sure - as never done bug stuff - way to complicated18:53
javispedronoobmonk3y: you don't have enough permissions, operation will fail.18:53
javispedrojust vote :)18:53
noobmonk3yvoted18:53
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, you're not logged in :p18:53
* noobmonk3y is never important enough :(18:53
MohammadAGall of them appear when not logged in18:53
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w00t_ugh18:54
noobmonk3yugh ugh?18:54
w00t_someone want to remind me how to switch to ARMEL target in sb?18:54
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lcuki really enjoyed my lie in this morning18:54
lcuksb-menu18:54
javispedrosb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL18:55
w00t_thankyou!18:55
javispedroyou enjoyed your lie? :)18:55
lcukyes i told myselkf i got up at 7am lol18:55
javispedroheh18:56
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w00t_okay, next (less obvious) problem: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set19:08
w00t_anyone got a hint what I'm missing here? :p19:08
javispedrois your armel target configured right?19:10
javispedrohttp://maemo.pastebin.com/zpS3370b19:11
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MohammadAGhttp://i42.tinypic.com/o9ejjb.jpg19:13
lcukMohammadAG, what are you playing?19:13
MohammadAGBounce19:14
lcukcool19:14
lcuki want to make a snake/tron game19:14
MohammadAGNever played it?19:14
lcuktop down accelerometer controlled nice fast bright gameplay19:14
lcukyeah a few times a while ago19:14
* MohammadAG wonders if I want to make means it's in Alpha at the moment :P19:15
lcukits in brain alpha19:15
lcukit has been since the discussions about sheep19:15
lcuki just have so much proper work to do19:15
sheepbatbaa?19:15
MohammadAGmoo19:15
lcuksheepdog19:15
MohammadAGwhat's that?19:16
lcuki wanted the dog central to the screen and tilt around to run around a field larger than screen19:16
MohammadAGI think there's a snake-like game19:16
lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3669819:16
MohammadAGplayed it a few days ago19:16
lcukyeah19:16
lcukand snake ive wnated since day -1 since its a nokia device19:16
* chadi wants PR 1.219:16
MohammadAGbut it's not the same as the old/new snake19:16
lcukchadi, :)19:16
lcuklike i said, ive had so much proper work to do (as well as everyone else)19:17
MohammadAGI want the N95 snakes game19:17
MohammadAG(which was for the N-Gage)19:17
* chadi loves the old black and white nokia snake.19:17
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MohammadAGI doubt that's not available as an swf or something19:17
lcukprobably19:18
lcukbut i dont like swf unless its app installable19:18
lcuksomeone almost managed it on 81019:18
lcukusing the tutorial framework thingy19:18
lcukmaybe the same could occur on 900 :)19:18
* noobmonk3y is going to please everyone.... a new healthcheck is on it's wav to extras-devel ;)19:19
noobmonk3yhehe19:19
noobmonk3ycan never have too many healthcheck versions19:19
chadiI so want to start developing for N900... but I have no time due to exams :-(19:19
lcuknoobmonk3y, you release a new version faster than i blink !  well done on release early, release often ethos :)19:19
noobmonk3yhehe19:19
* noobmonk3y bows19:19
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noobmonk3ychadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D19:19
chadinoobmonk3y: it's fun when I see a new version of an app every day :D19:19
Treibholzus there an API to the calendar, or should I just write in the SQLiteDB?19:19
noobmonk3yok, it does look a bit like a dogs dinner, but is fun :D19:20
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, err.. nothing?!19:20
lcukTreibholz, there is a calendar api19:20
noobmonk3yerrr nothing where MohammadAG ?19:20
lcuknoobmonk3y, its a start :)19:20
noobmonk3yonly uploaded it 2 mins ago!19:20
chadinoobmonk3y: you probably knew some basic programming, didn't you?19:20
MohammadAG<noobmonk3y> chadi, took me 3 weeks from knowing nothing to an app in extras :D19:20
noobmonk3yerm, visual basic, never done python before19:20
MohammadAGnot even python scripts?19:20
* lcuk is a vb developer too19:20
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  - never done linux or python b4 :D19:21
MohammadAGwow, is Python that is?19:21
MohammadAGeasy*19:21
noobmonk3yn900 is my first foray into linux19:21
* chadi is more c/c++/java/c# oriented19:21
MohammadAGweird typo...19:21
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, yup.......19:21
fralswelcome to the club noobmonk3y ;)19:21
* noobmonk3y smiles19:21
lcukchadi, then look at qt proper :)19:21
noobmonk3ythankee frals19:21
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, what did you start with?19:21
noobmonk3yyeah qt designer would suite chadi19:21
lcukits support is getting stronger19:21
frals(i however cheated, ive done a python assignment in a course at uni)19:21
* MohammadAG wonders if he started with n00b questions :P19:21
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  start with n900-wise?19:21
MohammadAGpython-wise :)19:21
lcukMohammadAG, noobs asking questions are good19:22
noobmonk3yi started with hello world19:22
noobmonk3yin a py file with no gui19:22
noobmonk3yjust printing it19:22
MohammadAGlcuk, not always :)19:22
chadiwill start programming for N900 early june! after the finals :D19:22
MohammadAGI can already do that19:22
lcukMohammadAG, if the right questions are asked19:22
MohammadAGbut that's about it :p19:22
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  - python is just about how... and remembering tabspaces, all in all it's just syntax19:22
MohammadAGlcuk, well everyone starts as a n00b, but I'm referring to the other type of noobs19:22
noobmonk3yso google 1 step at a time, play, then google again19:23
lcukboobs?19:23
noobmonk3yboobienoobies?19:23
MohammadAGthe ones who ask, how do I open the main menu19:23
MohammadAG<noobmonk3y> so google 1 step at a time, play, then google again19:23
MohammadAGwell that worked for me when I started with linux19:23
fralsthat works for just about anything ^^19:23
noobmonk3ylol i still get frustrated that nothing is as simple as visual basic, draw, code, go... so no i just code in pygtkeditor or python idle19:24
* MohammadAG crackles his fingers19:24
noobmonk3ynow*19:24
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, you don't use Qt Designer?19:24
noobmonk3ywhich is why i upload so often19:24
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noobmonk3yi test , try test, try, upload, test properly.... works... new version, test, try , test , try etc19:24
MohammadAGor is that only for C++/C + Qt19:24
lcuki am tempted to bring my new computer upstairs - but that will mean i install vb on it19:24
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  - i fecked it up as i didnt understand the relationship between the gui file and a py file19:24
noobmonk3yso it started of in gui, but now just code it by hand19:25
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lcuknoob.frm19:25
noobmonk3ylol19:25
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noobmonk3yhello noob.frm19:25
noobmonk3y:D19:25
lcukwell that was what vb gave19:25
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lcukone file19:25
lcukthe whole app contained within19:25
noobmonk3y:D :D19:25
lcukui handlers methods19:26
javispedro"I started coding with VB club" reunion here?19:26
* javispedro is also a member of it19:26
lcukwith qt proper thats spread over many files and many menus to get at info19:26
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* Treibholz started with QBasic...19:26
noobmonk3y0.7.1-0 Butlins Version!  - in extras devel now :D19:26
chadiShould I worry about the lifetime of the flash drive of the N900? I'm not used to SSD, I prefer HDDs...19:26
mauriziosciao a tutti19:26
lcuki was vb dev for 10 years and thing vb6 is the defacto prime microsoft application ever19:26
Treibholzand I'm glad, I forgot erverything.19:26
maurizios!list19:26
Treibholzlol19:27
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noobmonk3ylol19:27
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* noobmonk3y wishes vb would start becoming the cool thing again19:27
javispedrochadi: well, as a user, most probably no. as a dev, just don't do "stupid" things and you'll be fine.19:27
MohammadAGthat was... awkward19:27
noobmonk3ywas what got me into computing19:27
chadijavispedro: define "stupid" things please?19:27
* noobmonk3y is a stupid thing19:27
javispedrochadi: stupid things: writing a file every second, fsyncing continuously, etc.19:28
noobmonk3yomfg.... i need a glass of wine, brb19:28
* C-S-B has returned from devon.19:28
* MohammadAG gives noobmonk3y a bottle of wine19:28
chadijavispedro who knows what these extra-devel apps do...19:28
* auenf still codes in vb19:28
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* lcuk installs visual basic in noobmonk3y's wine19:28
* MohammadAG takes it back and gives him 5 gallons19:28
* javispedro boots vb6 for no reason19:28
lcukauenf, :) i still write liqbase apps in vb619:28
ShadowJKchadi: I wouldn't worry19:28
haltdefdevon? what part? :p19:28
lcuki have an addin, which generates the whole application from all the forms and controls19:29
javispedrochadi: if you're a user, I wouldn't worry, as I said.19:29
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chadijavispedro: i'm a developer :P19:29
noobmonk3yawww yay19:29
MohammadAGchadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I tunred on my device for the first time19:29
noobmonk3ymore wine the merrier19:29
MohammadAGs/tunred/turned/19:29
infobotMohammadAG meant: chadi, I enabled -devel and -testing where I turned on my device for the first time19:29
auenfhad issues with a vb app last year, multi-threading was screwing with me cause i was talking to a serial port19:29
lcukMohammadAG, but you are "special"19:29
MohammadAG~thanks19:29
infobotMohammadAG: gern geschehen19:29
chadihah, nice bot19:29
MohammadAGdefine special lol19:29
* noobmonk3y only uses extras-devel and extras-testing when he know what he wants to do with it19:30
lcuk"i can count to potato" kind of special :p19:30
noobmonk3yie now, updating healthcheck :D19:30
SpeedEvilWhat's the will_shut_down_at volts ShadowJK?19:30
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MohammadAGwhat's gern cheschehen lol19:30
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* noobmonk3y meh .... and maybe update fmms too19:30
MohammadAGgeschehen*19:30
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, just hit upgrade all19:30
noobmonk3ynoooooooooooooooooooooooooo19:30
ShadowJKSpeedEvil: 3200mV according to L3&L4, empirical observations concur19:31
MohammadAGlol lcuk19:31
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, could you update h/c - want to see what you think of the new goodies in the first menu :D19:31
MohammadAGI always update19:31
noobmonk3ylol ;)19:31
lcuk10 minutes left until i watch final destination 419:31
MohammadAGis it up yet?19:31
* noobmonk3y remembers to put boobies in the next version19:31
noobmonk3ylol lcuk19:31
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, why not :P19:31
noobmonk3yyup19:31
noobmonk3yi just upgraded fine19:32
noobmonk3y0.7.1-019:32
* MohammadAG types apt-get update and gets a stopwatch19:32
auenfive got 5.25" floppys of VB1 here somewhere...19:32
Treibholzlcuk: hmm, the API seems to be only for c++, right?19:32
* MohammadAG thinks it's C not C++19:32
TreibholzMohammadAG: there are classes in C?19:33
MohammadAGTreibholz, not sure, never programmed in C but when I looked at the API it was C19:33
* MohammadAG wants to get another battery and disable WiFi Power management19:34
lcukTreibholz, yes afaik its a c++ lib19:34
* MohammadAG hits himself for saying wrong info19:34
auenfbtw, let me know which command to type on my n810 to turn it into a n900 ;)\19:35
TreibholzWell, I guess I'll have to try the brutal sqlite-method in python then.19:35
MohammadAG~pinning19:35
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html19:35
Treibholzthe lack of CalDAV-support is very annoying19:35
MohammadAGexpected a shorter answer...19:35
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* lcuk is pondering a nipple component in liqbase19:39
lcukhowever, im having trouble with my normal naming convention19:39
FIQhm19:39
FIQmy N900 is very hot atm19:39
lcuk"liqnipple" :D19:39
MohammadAGFIQ, overclocked?19:39
lcukFIQ, just charged it?19:39
FIQno19:39
lcukthen some process is running wild?19:40
SpeedEvil_Is it on fire?19:40
SpeedEvil_top19:40
FIQi didn't even use it before like 3mins ago19:40
FIQyeah, it's burning atm, speedevil19:40
FIQcould be something temp maybe19:40
MohammadAGFIQ shut it down19:41
FIQok19:41
MohammadAGor just reboot19:41
FIQ[18:41:58]  18:41:58 up 18:38, load average: 0.45, 0.88, 0.8319:41
FIQdon't see anything odd19:41
MohammadAGjoikuspot?19:41
lcukFIQ_MOTHER: and what were you doing up at midnight?19:41
FIQlol19:42
FIQi'm 1519:42
MohammadAGso? :P19:42
FIQand no school day!19:42
FIQanyway19:42
lcukmy 15yo son went to a part last night19:42
MohammadAGI'm 16 :P19:42
ShadowJKjoikuspot?19:43
FIQstill hot so i try reboot19:43
FIQno19:43
FIQi used it before - in beta stage19:43
MohammadAGlcuk_wife and why was your son at a party last night ;p19:43
lcukshe drove him there lol19:43
MohammadAGlol19:43
lcukhes been good recently so we let him :)19:43
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lcukand allllll his mates were goinb19:44
lcukthere were >20 people sleepin @ friends house19:44
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MohammadAGo.O19:44
MohammadAGhow big is the house lol19:44
lcukit was an appt19:45
lcuki think they slept on the balcony and roof lol19:45
MohammadAGlol19:45
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lcuki remember parties like that19:45
MohammadAGwell you have fun when you're out with friends19:45
MohammadAGdoesn't matter how/where you sleep19:45
MohammadAGif you sleep at all that is ;)19:45
lcukofc19:46
lcukbut he had too19:46
lcukthe night before they hadnt from what facebook tells us19:46
* MohammadAG hates timestamps on facebook19:46
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MohammadAGI commented on a post at 6 AM once, wasn't supposed to stay awake that long :p19:47
lcuklololol19:48
pupniknormal use is really needing -150 to -160mA.  with spikes to 29019:49
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FIQhm19:51
FIQit's not hot anymore lol19:51
FIQif it happens again in same situration, i'll speak here again19:52
FIQ:p19:52
SpeedEvilpupnik: turning off cellmo eliminates one async event19:52
lcukhi pupnik19:52
SpeedEvilSee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTa_UHf2Yoo19:52
SpeedEvilerr19:52
SpeedEvilno19:52
SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Some_preliminary_numbers_using_bq27200.19:53
SpeedEvilthat19:53
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, that's the second time you paste a wrong link today :P19:53
SpeedEvilyeah.19:53
SpeedEvilway too tired from moving railway sleepers, and spraying my seed on the ground.19:53
* MohammadAG hates it when that happens19:53
pupnikhi SpeedEvil lcuk19:53
* SpeedEvil_ is recalibratin his battera!19:55
GeneralAntillesSo, who's started skirting the "I want a dead OMAP3" line? ;)19:56
pupnikSpeedEvil: gardening?19:57
SpeedEvil_I'm not generally finding much too slow19:57
SpeedEvil_pupnik: doing lawn.19:57
* GeneralAntilles has to restart his every 2 days or so or it slows to Molasses in January speeds.19:58
SpeedEvil_http://www.flickr.com/photos19:58
SpeedEvil_ere19:58
SpeedEvil_http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/19:59
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noobmonk3yw000p20:02
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, wb20:03
MohammadAGhi DocScrutinizer20:03
noobmonk3yty :D20:03
DocScrutinizerhi20:04
lcukcya later maemo \o20:06
javispedrocya lcuk20:07
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MohammadAGo/20:08
matthew_Hmmm where do u have the power saving options?20:08
MohammadAGWi-fi? Advanced options20:08
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matthew_thx20:08
noobmonk3yciao lcuk20:09
pupniknice omap3 board - size of a credit card  http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=5520:09
matthew_sorry for being a noob, but where are wifi options?:)20:10
matthew_cant find them in settings20:10
SpeedEvilit's a per-connection setting20:10
SpeedEviledit connection, then click to the end page20:10
matthew_ah20:10
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supertramphey :)20:10
supertrampis there some nasty trick how to boot into some 'safe mode?' :)20:11
supertrampI screwed something on the filesystem in /usr and now it won't boot so ..20:11
supertrampit's n90020:11
supertramp:))20:11
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supertrampsomething like init 1 and shell ...20:12
supertrampmeaning single-user with shell ...20:13
supertramp:))20:13
jogaI don't think there is one..at least if you haven't set up one yourself (or if it's some secret)20:13
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: how do I get it to actually update the last measured discharge? I went from full->empty, and it hasn't.20:14
SpeedEvilShadowJK: oh - I may have plugged it in for a momnet - that will presumably do it20:14
DocScrutinizerok, this vacuumcleaner forced ventilation for that crap laptop is unbearable for anything beyond a quit mailfetch. :-S20:16
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matthew_Could any1 advise on http://img.inerd.me/screenshot05.png20:18
SpeedEvilwhat about it?20:19
lcukits dead jim*, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it.   * matthew_20:19
matthew_why did the battery drop in a second from over 20% to 020:19
SpeedEvilbecause the battery reporting mechanism battery-eye is using is somewhat odd20:23
SpeedEvilThere is a more accurate battery state thingy avaialable - search for .tar earlier in the channel20:23
SpeedEvilit does not make pretty graphs thouhg.20:23
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* noobmonk3y grins... if only joiku had a net send or msg ability as well as a cut-off option20:25
pupnikthere's klingons on the starboard bow,  starboard bow,  starboard bow, there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, lcuk20:25
lcuk:D20:25
* lcuk looks back @ movie20:25
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DocScrutinizer-8fsck pretty graphs - they confuse the hell out of normal users anyway20:33
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* noobmonk3y finally relented and added web20:36
* DocScrutinizer-8 considers ssh from N810 to N900 as that seems the only possible setup atm to check bq24150 here20:37
DocScrutinizer-8except option to shoot my ears with vacuum 'fan' for laptop :-J20:38
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SpeedEvilTake some toilet paper. Fold a sheet in four lengthways. Roll tightly. Insert in ears.21:09
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pupnikwhy?21:15
joker_89anyone knows pys60?21:19
MohammadAGthis is #maemo not #symbian21:19
noobmonk3ylol21:20
joker_89yes but symbian its dead21:20
* noobmonk3y thinks he has pulled a muscle in his arm L(21:20
noobmonk3y:(21:20
MohammadAGask, I'll see if I can help21:20
noobmonk3yprobably a bigger heartbeat then #qt-maemo normally has21:20
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, normal ppl's muscles pull you know...21:21
noobmonk3y:)21:21
MohammadAG:P21:21
joker_89i want to put the now time in a e32db :S21:22
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MohammadAGnope, no idea about that21:22
MohammadAGonly made a reboot app21:22
MohammadAG(yes that needs an app on symbian)21:23
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noobmonk3ylol21:23
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noobmonk3yMohammadAG, a reboot app is 1 line of code isnt it? - reboot lol.......21:23
noobmonk3yok maybe 3 ;)21:23
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, no, since symbian doesn't have a 'reboot' app :P21:24
noobmonk3yahhhhhhhhhh21:24
MohammadAGit's a forced reboot, I make the system crash21:24
MohammadAGit reboots21:24
MohammadAGbut it's safe21:24
MohammadAGmaking the UI was easy though21:24
noobmonk3ylol!21:25
MohammadAGsince it's all standard, unlike Maemo21:25
noobmonk3y~ping21:25
infobot~pong21:25
MohammadAGwhere you have to thinnk where you want to place buttons etc...21:25
noobmonk3ymaemo is standard to me, lol didnt know much else ;)21:25
MohammadAGbut the standard UI makes it slow21:25
MohammadAGI really want to learn python21:25
MohammadAGI started with it on Symbian21:25
noobmonk3ywell learn it then ;)21:25
MohammadAGbut it's much easier on Symbian21:26
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, how many lines is hc?21:26
noobmonk3yto be fair go move in with w00t_  for a few weeks, i'm sure he speaks python in his sleep ;)21:26
MohammadAG(just wondering)21:26
MohammadAGLOL21:26
w00t_lol21:26
noobmonk3ylol hc is a bad example...... its about 1600 - but probably could be about 50021:26
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MohammadAGlol21:26
w00t_I dabble with a lot of things :)21:26
noobmonk3y;)21:27
noobmonk3yi probably know more assembly code then i do python :P21:27
noobmonk3ybut the python for dummies and the pyton qt book snext to me help :D21:27
MohammadAGassembly, heard that somewhere too :P21:27
noobmonk3ypython*21:27
MohammadAGyou got python for dummies?21:27
w00t_E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.21:28
* w00t_ swears21:28
MohammadAGlol move it21:28
MohammadAGmine is 220MBs xD21:28
MohammadAGmkdir -p /opt/var/cache/apt21:28
noobmonk3yall in all i have done bits of assembly, ada, pascal, basic(qbasic too), vb - all versions... .net, java, perl and flashscript...... :| probably a few more i'd think (did a n app in cobol to prove it worked, lol)21:28
w00t_I had python stuck in there for some raeson21:28
MohammadAGmv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/'21:28
w00t_removing it sorted that out of course21:28
MohammadAGmv /var/cache/apt/archives /opt/var/cache/apt/21:29
noobmonk3yw00t_, doesnt python optify sort that?21:29
MohammadAGln -s /opt/var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives21:29
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, no, that's where .debs get stored21:29
noobmonk3yahhhhhhh21:29
noobmonk3ythen apt-get clean or apt-get autoremove?21:29
MohammadAGI'm sure I have a couple dozen of healthcheck debs21:29
MohammadAGI don't do cleaning21:29
noobmonk3ylol21:29
MohammadAGI have it in /opt, so I don't care :P21:30
noobmonk3yfair do's21:30
* RST38h moos at the moon again21:30
* noobmonk3y bleats at the sun21:30
w00t_mmm. where is libqt4-maemo5-* installed to? /opt/21:30
w00t_isn't it?21:30
* RST38h sacrifices noobmonk3y to the Tentacled One21:30
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, when I reflash I just run apt-get and install all debs xD21:30
noobmonk3yw0t - yup21:30
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* noobmonk3y bleats at the tentacled one.. then farts21:30
noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  :D21:30
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noobmonk3yevening rsalveti_21:31
MohammadAGtakes 5 minutes to restore 200+ apps21:31
noobmonk3yRST38h,  even21:31
noobmonk3yomfg auto tab will be the death of me21:31
MohammadAGok maybe 15 minutes21:31
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MohammadAGthought about downloading the whole repo once, but I learned it was 48GBs21:31
noobmonk3ytook me about 1 hr to do about 40......... but was on 2g/3g21:31
MohammadAGumm, 80+GB actually21:32
* noobmonk3y will b back later - need more wine and ciggies21:32
MohammadAGdon't drink, it resets your memory and makes you moo a lot21:33
RST38hhmmm, overclockers strike again, at 1GHz21:33
* noobmonk3y moo's21:33
MohammadAGRST38h, correction, 1.02 :P21:33
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Arkenoirst38h: and it does not overheat?21:39
anotnaci OC to 900MHz noticed no excessive heating up yet but not really hammered the CPU much21:41
MohammadAGanotnac, just a note, if any damage happens it's at the hardware level, so a reflash won't fix21:42
MohammadAGI'm running @ 82521:42
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anotnacyea i know, i'm going back to 800 later until more testing is carried out21:43
Shapeshifterdoes overclocking the n900 make it neccessary to increase voltage?21:43
RST38hArkenoi: No idea, try21:44
anotnacas anyone reported any damaged handsets yrt21:44
mango_makemedia player isn't seeing any of my music and photos doesn't think i have any photos! any ideas how to get em back? ive tried "touching" all the files to make them seem new21:44
RST38hArkenoi: Probably does not heat up too much unless you push it with torrent or something21:44
pupnikMohammadAG: do you apt-get install and manually supply the list of 200 debs?21:45
Shapeshifterbecause if it doesn't, there's probably no "hidden" damage to the hardware if there's no excessive heat.21:45
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MohammadAGpupnik, I take it from the backup21:45
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MohammadAGthe one taken by osso-backup21:45
pupnikcan you explain where that list is?21:45
MohammadAG/var/lib/hildon-application-manager/packages.backup21:46
MohammadAGI think21:46
MohammadAGsec lemme make sure21:46
MohammadAGyep21:46
joker_89anyone knows how to stablish a connection with a webserver?21:47
anotnacdont you hate sites that post they dont endorse something but then post instruction on how to and post them incorrectly lol21:47
MohammadAGI use leafpad to remove the <pkg> tags21:47
MohammadAGby replacing it with nothing21:47
Lumpio-joker_89: Open your browser and type in the address21:47
RST38hAhhahahaha21:47
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anotnachttp://phonereport.info/guide-how-to-overclock-nokia-n900-hack/21:47
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RST38hThey are disabling Ctrl+Space again :)))))21:47
MohammadAGanotnac, they took my instructions on how to reverse it from the facebook post21:48
MohammadAGwithout mentioning me21:48
MohammadAGnow I don't care about credit and stuff21:48
MohammadAGbut at least say someone pointed it out (without mentioning a name)21:48
anotnacwhy is SDK needed21:48
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pupnikty MohammadAG21:50
anotnacanyone seen this web app service http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/04/toshl-expense-tracking-app-is-web-connected-and-i-love-it-for-that.html21:50
anotnaccross platform sounds cool21:50
MohammadAGanotnac, developing can be done without an SDK21:51
meceRST38h, what's ctrl-space?21:51
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MohammadAGchanges input language AFAIK21:52
MohammadAGand switches desktops if you have modified-hildon-desktop installed21:52
MohammadAGapps*21:52
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joker_89anyones knows how works a sincronization?21:52
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anotnacthe point i was trying to make is it says install sdk to do oc but its flasher 3.5 whats needed21:55
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MohammadAGanotnac, umm where?21:59
MohammadAGanotnac, that was before he shared the files21:59
anotnaci did not read correct sorry22:00
MohammadAGlol I really was asking the first time I said where22:01
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anotnacas anyone really messed up there phone like that site says22:02
sylarpowahi, I have submitted my idea as a student to maemo's mentors for the gsoc, I wanted to know if there was any suggestion about it ;)22:02
anotnaci've read little easy to fix problems but not ppl totally messing up there devoce22:02
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GeneralAntillesanotnac, don't overclock. . . .22:08
GeneralAntillesanotnac, it's highly likely you'll knock a significant amount of time off the life of your device.22:09
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MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, it's a fact not a possibility ;)22:11
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GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, well, yes.22:13
GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, but the possibility is that it may still far outlast any realistic usage lifetime for that particular person.22:13
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MohammadAGYeah, that's why I overclocked, I usually upgrade phones in 2-3 years22:13
supertramphow to mount rootfs via usb?22:14
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MohammadAGthat's not a smart thing to do ;)22:14
GeneralAntillesPotentially, depending on a lot of factors, 2-3 years is likely to be a bit outside of the overclocked device lifetime. ;)22:14
GeneralAntillessupertramp, back up a bit.22:14
GeneralAntillessupertramp, WHY do you want to mount the rootfs over USB?22:14
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, well if it ran locked @ 800MHz I wouldn't give it more than a year22:15
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GeneralAntillesA lot less, potentially.22:15
MohammadAGbut overclocking doesn't lock it @ 80022:16
pupnikthat type of failure is a poisson distibution iirc22:16
ssvbGeneralAntilles: information about lifetime expectations is available in omap datasheet: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/omap3530.pdf22:16
supertrampGeneralAntilles: cause I need to fix something in it22:16
MohammadAGpupnik, don't remind me of statistics, I'm on holiday :P22:16
MohammadAGsupertramp, what's that something?22:16
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supertrampI screwed something in /usr/share - n900 wont boot now - have to revert changes22:17
supertrampMohammadAG: <-22:17
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pupnik263 pages22:17
MohammadAGsupertramp, reflash the device22:17
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_llll_to fix one file?surely not22:18
MohammadAGyou're better off doing that22:18
ssvbGeneralAntilles: search for POH (power-on hours) keyword, it's 100000 hours at 500MHz, and 50000 hours at 550-600MHz22:18
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supertrampMohammadAG: I'd like to avoid reflashing if possible22:18
pupnikwould be nice if that were possible supertramp22:18
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MohammadAGnot sure how to mount rootfs, but AFAIK you need a ubifs enabled kernel22:18
GeneralAntillesBootmenu should be able to help you22:18
GeneralAntillesNot sure of the status with the N900, though.22:18
MohammadAGor that22:18
ssvbGeneralAntilles: I guess at higher clock frequencies chip degradation is a lot faster22:18
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, it works :)22:18
ShadowJKSpeedEvil: if VDQ flag is 0 it wont learn on reaching EDV1. I noticed plugging it in drops VDQ22:18
GeneralAntillesssvb, so says Igor.22:18
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: yeah - I realised it would need a full->empty cycle22:19
GeneralAntillesShit, where's powertop these days?22:19
supertramphm22:19
MohammadAGssvb, 5.7 years?22:19
supertrampMohammadAG: do you have any links with hints?22:20
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MohammadAGwell this is how to mount the image file22:20
MohammadAGnot sure how to mount the device. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=322:20
ssvbMohammadAG: yes, something like this. If you think it is too much, I used to have Nokia 3330 for more than 6 years, and it is still in a good shape ;)22:21
MohammadAGI think it's too little lol22:21
ssvbMohammadAG: and at let's say 800MHz, I guess this time can be easily halved22:21
MohammadAGssvb, but that's assuming it's running 24/7 @ 800MHz22:21
MohammadAGor for the numbers above, 24/7 @ 500-60022:22
MohammadAGwithout going down/idling @ 125 (oc'd kernel) or 250 (stock)22:22
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* Arkenoi still owns 8850 and 7110 and both work perfectly well22:26
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* GeneralAntilles wonders if -community has really been dead for 4 days.22:27
GeneralAntillesGuess so.22:27
GeneralAntillesOr it's broken.22:27
supertrampMohammadAG: thanks :)22:28
MohammadAGnp22:28
pupnikthat datasheet is for 3530 - same lithography but different packaging as 3430?  ssvb ?22:29
MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, -community?22:29
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ssvbpupnik: I don't have any link to omap3430 document offhand (assuming that it is even publically available). But considering that they are both omap3 chips, and are rated at the same clock frequencies, I think these numbers are not very much off22:31
anotnacwill pr 1,2 still show OTA with the patched oc kernel22:31
SpeedEvilinteresting.22:32
SpeedEvilI wonder what actual diference 125MHz mode would have.22:32
SpeedEvilpowerwise22:32
SpeedEvilI need to do some tests with smartreflex on.22:32
AranelIs it possible to use 800MHz overclocked kernel without flashing anything?22:33
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: hmm22:33
AranelDon't wanna lose apps/config files etc, I'd be happy without flashing =)22:33
ssvbSpeedEvil: afaik n900 is not very stable when running at 125MHz, so this clock frequency was disabled, the same applies to smartreflex feature22:33
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: P4 - as listed in powertop - is not counted in the above hours tally.22:34
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, would be happy to help :)22:34
MohammadAGerr what?22:34
SpeedEvilssvb: MohammadAGI guess.22:34
SpeedEvilssvb: I guess.22:34
pupnik125 wouldnt get me much.  the big chompers are screen and www pages22:35
MohammadAGfirst of all I thought you wanted my help / more test subjects (:P) with smarterflex22:35
MohammadAGsecond, what's P422:35
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: C4 - as in powertop22:38
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* ShadowJK had an OOPS reboot earlier22:38
ShadowJKUnhandled fault: external abort on non-linefetch (0x1028) at 0xe79750f222:39
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ShadowJKno idea what tha is22:40
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SpeedEvilAnyone happen to recall what the output network connected to the tv dac looks like? Is there a filter/buffer in the way?22:41
microlithhuh, I tell it to switch off and instead it rebooted...22:43
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: Does battery charging ever hit 4200mV with you?22:45
SpeedEvilShadowJK: with me it seems to hit 4130 or so, then back off22:45
ShadowJK4165 iirc22:45
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SpeedEvilvdq=1 = it will learn this cycle - if nothing changes?22:50
ShadowJKValid Discharge22:50
ShadowJK(yes)22:51
ShadowJKand as long as the new learned capacity isn't too different from current values22:51
SpeedEvilis there any way to force it?22:51
SpeedEvilAs in write the real capacity.22:51
SpeedEvil(I know above tool won't)22:51
ShadowJKI think there's a way to write arbitrary values into LMD register22:52
SpeedEvilk.22:52
SpeedEvilSell a polished tool to mugen!22:52
ShadowJKthe oops reboot made me boot n900 with a warm mugen battery22:53
ShadowJKas a result bme thinks capacity is 300mAh22:53
SpeedEvil:)22:53
SpeedEvil:(22:53
ShadowJKwhich makes it show 100% the entire time, until it shows 0% :)22:53
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BCMMdoes a 3G phone have a real IP address or a private one?22:57
Stskeepsdepends on provider22:57
SpeedEvilin most cases private.22:57
SpeedEvilYou really, really don't want arbitrary viruses and botnets port knocking.22:58
Shapeshiftermh. :|22:58
SpeedEvilIt kills your battery.22:58
supertrampdamn - why there is nandsim module in debian22:58
haltdefhah, never thought of that22:58
BCMMbut an n900 can run a server like any linux machine when it's on wifi, right?22:58
SpeedEvilyes22:59
BCMMStskeeps: any way of knowing which providers give real addresses?22:59
Shapeshifterso, if an application - namely brainparty - freezes, and ctrl-backspace doesn't go to the taskmanager, and the power button doen't show up the menu, and sshd seems not to respont ("no route to host"), are there any other options?22:59
SpeedEvilBCMM: for example - if you simply have it sitting awaiting ssh, then it will last several days.22:59
Shapeshifterother then a reboot22:59
* b-man|laptop ran an apache server on his N900 xD22:59
StskeepsBCMM: check if you get a public addy or not? :P23:00
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: open the phone, while not disconnecting the battery, hook up JTAG, stop phone, alter memory, resume phone.23:00
Shapeshifterb-man|laptop: lighttpd would be more efficient and actually quite a realistic use case23:00
BCMMStskeeps: i haven't got an n900 yet :)23:00
ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: JTAG?23:00
BCMMStskeeps: looking at different networks23:00
b-man|laptopShapeshifter: very true23:00
Shapeshifteris that a joke I'm not getting?23:00
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: It's a theoretical possibility.23:00
Shapeshifteroh23:00
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: that in principle is an alternative.23:00
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SpeedEvilShapeshifter: jtag is a low-level debuggy thing23:01
koala_mandoes qtify work for anyone? it segfaults right after authenticating for me23:01
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SpeedEvilShapeshifter: reboot I guess is the only option23:02
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: I'd try camera slide too23:02
Shapeshiftermhh. long-pressing the power button made the led go white as in a shutdown, but it's not actually doing anything23:02
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Shapeshifterah now it rebooted23:02
Shapeshifter10 seconds late23:02
SpeedEvilShapeshifter: but if it's not pinging, ...23:02
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Shapeshiftermeh. in any case, brainparty is a _really_ nice game. I'll recommend it to all my iphone friends so they buy it. But its performance is kinda poor on the n900 at times23:03
Shapeshifter(and it froze the device just now)23:04
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SpeedEvil_what is?23:05
lcukShapeshifter, wheres the port23:05
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Shapeshifterlcuk: the port?23:07
ShapeshifterSpeedEvil: brainparty is?23:07
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lcukyes23:08
Shapeshifterlcuk: not sure what exactly you mean, but if you mean the port for the n900, here it is: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=593822&postcount=2223:08
Shapeshiftersorta23:08
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lcukShapeshifter, yeah i see its in -devel and -testing :)23:09
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Shapeshifterit's really quite good. one of the best games - I'd say - for maemo 5 besides all the emulator business. there aren't many good native games for maemo atm.23:10
massoudhey there23:10
massoudhow can i share my 3g on my n900 through usb ?23:11
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lcukmassoud, plugging n900 into my ubuntu laptop and selecting pcsuite mode lets me connect and use the n900 3g :)23:11
lcukso, yes23:11
massoudiptables gives me error when i try to nat23:12
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lcukive never seen iptables :)23:12
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lcukall on the normal gui23:12
lcukits just another connection23:12
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massoudlcuk then there is a nat between phonet0 and usb0 ?23:13
lcukyou are speaking greek to me23:13
lcuki click on o2 prepaid on my laptop and internet works23:13
massoudlcuk : "normal" gui ?23:14
massoudso the n900 acts like a modem for your ubuntu ?23:14
lcukyes23:14
massoudand on your ubuntu what are ur settings ?23:15
lcuk"o2 prepaid"  instead of "liqnet"23:15
lcukie instead of connecting to house network i connect to o223:15
lcukive never entered the command line or installed anything on my ubuntu to make it work23:16
massoudand you indicate that your interface is usb0 ?23:16
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lcukas noted, i plug it in - i dont care which one it goes in nor do i tell it which23:17
lcukit works exactly as i would expect it to, its actually +100 win for linux and from that level more understandable than windows :)23:18
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supertrampis anyone here who knows where to get nandsim for debian?23:19
* VladNistor says hello23:20
VladNistoris there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way...23:20
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AppiahI think there's a dpkg --force23:21
VladNistorbut i would need the .deb first, right?23:21
Appiahhow are you trying to install this application that wont install?23:21
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VladNistorAppiah, apt-get install psx4all23:22
Appiahtry -f23:22
Appiahapt-get install -f23:22
VladNistorthanks, but it's not working. it still says it has the unmet dependencies and E: Brokern packages at the end :(23:23
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VladNistori've searched the net a bit and there's nothing except the dpkg --force option you mentioned. do you think i should get the .deb and do the dpkg --force?23:24
phellarvAnyone here tried the OC-kernels?23:24
VladNistoryup, running the 900 one right now23:25
phellarvWorking fine?23:25
massoudevery body has internet sharing working on the n900 ?23:25
VladNistor3 hours and fine... yeah, it's a dream :P23:25
massoudfor your laptop connected on usb/bt ?23:25
VladNistorbut i'll probably go with the 7xx or 800 until people test it more, don't wanna' brick it ;)23:26
MohammadAG<VladNistor> is there a way to force an application to install, i'm trying to get psx4all on it and the pr1.2 dependencies are in the way...23:27
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phellarvVladNistor: Hehe - Just something boggling me about the thread on maemo-forums - fiasco-flasher? where do I find that piece of software - I know the stock flasher has some fiasco options.23:27
MohammadAGI compiled a package23:27
VladNistorthe 125 part of it is what's nice, instead of the 250 :)23:27
jogaI started downloading easy debian image and put the phone on the table and charging, now that I look at it, I don't get anything on the screen, even the unlock switch doesn't seem to work and to get the backlight to light up I can press the power button or open the camera cover. it kind of seems to work though, the backlight goes off again etc.23:27
massoudhave u guys tried iptables on n900 ?23:27
jogamaybe this is because it's currently extracting it and doesn't have time to show me any interface? ;)23:27
VladNistorphellarv, i think it's in extras-devel or testing23:27
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phellarvVladNistor: M'kay.23:28
MohammadAGVladNistor, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/maemo/psx4all_0.3.9.1_armel.deb23:28
VladNistorsweet, thanks MohammadAG!23:28
MohammadAGyou don't need to force anything to install that, BUT it doesn't install from app manager23:28
VladNistoryeah, thanks :) i'll dpkg -i it23:29
joga(I think timewise it probably had reached the extraction phase, judging by the last time I checked the download speed)23:29
jogaso I guess it's just hogging all cpu for extracting with a much higher priority than to show me anything...but shouldn't the scheduler give it at least some time?23:30
jogaor, maybe it has just gone haywire but I'll wait for a while :)23:30
jogaI also seem to notice a slight delay in the backlighting kicking in when the hardware keyboard is opened23:33
VladNistorthanks MohammadAG, it works like a charm :)23:33
phellarvHmmm - I cannot find the fiasco flasher.23:34
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MohammadAGnp :)23:36
VladNistorphellarv, are you talking about the one for the N900 or the one to install on the PC to flash the n900 from there?23:36
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phellarvThe one for the N90023:36
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VladNistori can't find it in the repos either, you should look in the thread and find exactly what that person said about it... i remember it in mention but not more23:39
VladNistorare there any free roms for the psx4all somewhere? or i just need to outright steal to play them? :))23:42
GeneralAntillesYuck, AC weather is here.23:43
jogaheh, calling the phone from another makes it seems to the caller it rings but it doesn't currently does not do anything visible or audible :)23:44
ptl_demands_PR12when you don't subtract something from someone, you are not stealing, VladNistor.23:44
ptl_demands_PR12copyright infringement is not stealing.23:44
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, both are illegal23:44
MohammadAG:)23:44
ptl_demands_PR12yes, but killing and robbing are illegal too, but they are not the same thing.23:45
VladNistoryeah, i'm just depriving someone of income, same as stealing in my book :)23:45
MohammadAGptl_demands_PR12, nice logic :P23:45
SpeedEvilWhich could lead to their death!23:45
SpeedEvilProgrammers have to eat too!23:45
MohammadAGlol23:45
VladNistorindeed :)23:45
ptl_demands_PR12no, you are not, because you can't assert that the person who uses the thing would still use it if it had to pay23:45
MohammadAGwhat if they're open source programmers :P23:45
ptl_demands_PR12so, this deprivement argument is bogus.23:45
VladNistorthey have to eat too :))23:46
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: they get by on beer.23:46
MohammadAGlmao23:46
* luke-jr growls at stupid N810 and its battery life of under 15 minutes23:47
MrGooseluke-jr: you could need a new battery23:47
luke-jrthat would support Nokia :(23:47
luke-jrbut srsly, it's only 15 months old23:48
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MrGoosemine is about 2 years old (n800)23:48
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MrGooseI usually end up charging it after every 2 hours use anyway23:49
luke-jrI suppose if I drove, I could use an inverter23:49
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luke-jrI don't remember the last time mine survived a trip23:49
luke-jranyhow, any suggestions for modern triangulation sw?23:50
MrGooseI have a bunch of 18650 cells that run on 3.7 v and Im tempted to use them to power old mobile phones/ tablets except they look like little dynamite sticks23:50
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