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| ds3 | nid0: is there room to put a piece of magnet tape on it? | 00:01 |
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| nidO | probably. I dont have one, just going on reports from earlier | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | ds3: there's enough wasted space under that cover to fit a small house under it. | 00:02 |
| nidO | that back case is so massive you could probably get the earth's entire magnetic core under it. | 00:02 |
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| ds3 | Shapeshifter: oh... so a even larger battery is possible? | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | ds3: if you make one? | 00:03 |
| nidO | if mugen had utilised all of the space under the cover rather than just a brick the same shape as the original, it'd easily be a 4500mah or so battery | 00:03 |
| nidO | and would probably require you drag the device along the floor behind you | 00:03 |
| ds3 | Hmmm | 00:03 |
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| atiti | anyone knows where to get the mugen stuff in europe? | 00:04 |
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| nidO | their site probably, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would buy one though | 00:05 |
| cehteh | just a slightly thicker battery with a back cover that has a flat surface instead the produding lens frame would be nice already | 00:05 |
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| cehteh | with lens slider and magnet for mounting uSD | 00:05 |
| ds3 | on a different topic... is there an app that adds basic hand held GPS functionality to the N900? by basic I mean - a button to add a waypoint... a GPS compass, a trail, and direction to a waypoint? | 00:05 |
| cehteh | and some people want a better kickstand .. like the n810 | 00:05 |
| cehteh | mapper | 00:06 |
| * RST38h wants a shocker | 00:06 | |
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| ds3 | something lighter then mapper | 00:06 |
| RST38h | ds3: Maep | 00:06 |
| ds3 | something along the lines of an early hand held GPS | 00:06 |
| cehteh | maep doesnt let one make waypoints | 00:06 |
| ds3 | making waypoints in mapper is painful | 00:07 |
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| cehteh | well impossible in maep | 00:07 |
| cehteh | mapper is slow like molasses too | 00:07 |
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| cehteh | eats a lot cpu/battery | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 00:07 |
| infobot | ~pong | 00:07 |
| ds3 | for road use with a local power source, mapper works...much better then Map | 00:07 |
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| ds3 | but I want something that is simple and usable for hiking | 00:07 |
| cehteh | yes, nothing but maep or mapper | 00:08 |
| ds3 | ideally, it'd also run in portrait mode but that migt just be too much to ask for | 00:08 |
| * cehteh hopes mapper improves over time | 00:08 | |
| cehteh | its on the right way | 00:08 |
| cehteh | maybe anyone tries to port viking to maemo5 .. i like it | 00:09 |
| ds3 | other then power and lack of a simple way to make waypoints, I love mapper | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wirelss taser ;-P | 00:10 |
| cehteh | my screen protector got a scratch today .. good to have it | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | What is mapper written in? | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | C/GTK? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: screen protector is like my oma's sofa blanket. It protects the sofa from getting dirty, so nothing spoils the always hidden splended sight | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the blanket is ugly like hell, but hey, there's a nice sofa under that | 00:13 |
| nidO | I bet she paid extra for the nice upholstry too | 00:13 |
| GAN9001 | DocScrutinizer, eh, not with a good quality one. | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN9001: you got the prototype of next N-series? | 00:15 |
| cehteh | i have a anti-glare one .. makes it quite useable in the sun | 00:15 |
| ds3 | GPSjinni looks close to what I want if it only did some tracking/waypoints | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Now we know it's called N9001 ;-P | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | osm2go | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, still waiting for my Boxwave protector, though. :( | 00:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | but probably too heavy | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, lies, all lies! | 00:16 |
| ds3 | SpeedEvil: yes, have that installed already | 00:17 |
| cehteh | osmtogo is a editor for small areas its not useable for hiking | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, osm.to - need to check that, sounds good | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tangoGPS? | 00:19 |
| cehteh | i miss some functionality from ma old gps .. distance to the next waypoint, estimated arrival time and so on | 00:19 |
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| Ken-Young | cehteh, Is anyone working on an N900 Garmin emulator"? | 00:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | Ken-Young: navit is supposed to support garmin maps | 00:20 |
| cehteh | whats a garmin emulator? | 00:20 |
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| pupnik_ | i cant get joystick working in VIcE | 00:20 |
| cehteh | ah .. well i dont know | 00:20 |
| ptl | it the navit that comes with the N900 compiled with that option? | 00:21 |
| cehteh | bbl | 00:21 |
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| Ken-Young | cehteh, I just meant something that acts like one of the old Garmin GPS units. | 00:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | ptl: I'm not sure | 00:21 |
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| ptl | I'd try if it weren't such a pain in the ass to install maps in navit | 00:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: huh. you just wget the map and edit a file | 00:21 |
| ptl | garmin maps aren't free, are they? | 00:22 |
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| ptl | wget? | 00:22 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: oh well, the garmin maps are a different story. but the open streemap ones are excellent for my area | 00:22 |
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| ptl | they are bad for my area :( | 00:23 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: so you don't know the pleasures of using the command line :) nevermind. (wget is a tool to download stuff / make http requests) | 00:23 |
| ptl | I could try and edit the maps for my neighborhood | 00:23 |
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| ptl | but when I needed to go to a new place, I'd be stranded | 00:23 |
| ptl | I know wget | 00:23 |
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| ptl | I know very well the pleasures of the command line indeed... even taught shell classes | 00:24 |
| ptl | I just found it strange to wget garmin maps | 00:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | ptl: ohhh xD | 00:28 |
| Shapeshifter | sorry then. | 00:28 |
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| Funnyface | hmm browserd is hogging 100% of my CPU | 00:29 |
| Funnyface | or was.. | 00:29 |
| Funnyface | I guess that's why my battery died in a few hours today | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: now that we have those intl OSS celebrities a ping away, don't you think we could get somewhat better more open docs about the modem? | 00:30 |
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| aep | any idea how i can install a different font on the n900? the default one lacks half unicode | 00:37 |
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| pupnik | CERN energy to ramp up to record levels march 30. make your peace with God now ;) | 00:40 |
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| nidO | "record levels" is a bit defunct though seeing as every time they turn the thing on it's at record levels, theyre just going to exceed their own record level even more :p | 00:42 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: God can suck my c... | 00:42 |
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| cehteh | .. my favorite theme .. imagine the LHC creates a black hole which sucks the earth into it ... | 00:44 |
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| cehteh | the poor guys at the ISS :) | 00:44 |
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| pupnik | hahaha | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | they would be sucked in as well | 00:44 |
| Shapeshifter | "who turned off the earth"? | 00:44 |
| cehteh | nah a physicist explained me they will be grilled in radiation | 00:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | good thing that wont happen | 00:45 |
| nidO | theyd follow the earth right into the black hole | 00:45 |
| cehteh | but still ... funny thing for a novel ... you look out of the iss window and find yourself orbiting a black hole :) | 00:45 |
| nidO | radiation would get them if they stayed where they are, but they wouldnt | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: they woule be sucked in | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: maybe if they would be couple million kilometers away | 00:45 |
| Kegetys | if the earth would turn into a black hole, it would still have the same mass so why would the ISS orbit change in any way? | 00:46 |
| cehteh | well a black hole can not have stronger gravity than earth .. and it has a much smaller diameter, i tinhk they will rather be catapulted into space | 00:46 |
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| jacekowski | well | 00:46 |
| dmj726_n9001 | diameter doesn't matter | 00:46 |
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| jacekowski | you might be right | 00:46 |
| cehteh | besides that what the physicist told me that a lot mass is turned into radiation and ejected | 00:47 |
| dmj726_n9001 | they would just keeporbiting | 00:47 |
| Shapeshifter | afaik, dmj726_n9001 is right. | 00:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | in any case, that wont happen. | 00:47 |
| Kegetys | and, even if a black hole would be created, why would the earth get sucked into it | 00:47 |
| dmj726_n9001 | ...the radiation might be an issue though. | 00:47 |
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| cehteh | and if it happens we dont care right? :) | 00:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | if it did happen, which it will not, we wouldn't care, that's right. | 00:48 |
| Kegetys | the black hole would have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity as the particles that formed it | 00:48 |
| dmj726_n9001 | though even without the radiation the people on the iss would starve eventually. | 00:48 |
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| Kegetys | the earth's magnetic field provides protection from the interstellar radiation though and I guess that would be gone which would be bad for the ISS people | 00:49 |
| cehteh | another theme: seti receives a broadcasts of some foreign civilization 4 lightyears ago which are similar to ours .. turning on a lhc like experiment little earlier ... we do too .. and then discover some day that there is a black hole where their messages came from :) | 00:49 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | so it's just a matter of how long it takes to die and how painful it is. | 00:49 |
| Shapeshifter | lol 4 lightyears | 00:50 |
| cehteh | closest stars are about 4 lightyears away .. but well say 12 | 00:50 |
| dmj726_n9001 | they're from alpha centauri | 00:50 |
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| cehteh | dmj726_n9001: if the earth collapses into a black hole it would be exponential in speed, when you notice you are already varporized | 00:52 |
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| cehteh | without hawking radiation the first grow of a black hole might take thousands of years, unnoticed | 00:52 |
| cehteh | there are already some theories that the core of the earth may already catched such micro black holes (no i dont believe them) | 00:53 |
| Shapeshifter | I believe, micro black holes are the cause of random n900 reboots. | 00:54 |
| cehteh | the chances that such a sub-particle sized black hole catches another particle and grow are very very small .. but each time it does it gets a slightly better chance to catch the next one | 00:55 |
| Shapeshifter | also, nokia is to blame for that. | 00:55 |
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| cehteh | possibly :) | 00:55 |
| cehteh | well my new device doesnt have the reboot problem | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, actually ISS would simply continue to orbit the singularity | 00:55 |
| cehteh | my first one from december had that .. i'D urge anyone who sees even a random reboot once a week to get a exchange | 00:56 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: well .. apart the radiation thing ... | 00:56 |
| Shapeshifter | Well I don't know how these super small black holes should work anyway (because they don't, they can't even form, and if they would for some strange reason, they'd disintegrate immediately); like, the smalles known black hole to man is roughly 3.8 times the mass of our sun. | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, actually I replied during reading the backscroll - stupid | 00:57 |
| Shapeshifter | a black hole with only the mass of earth, or even just the mass of some particles in a collider... | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | would desintegrate in nanoseconds | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 00:57 |
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| cehteh | yeah i saied imagine they wont desintegrate .. | 00:58 |
| Shapeshifter | it's just sad that people can be intimidated like this | 00:58 |
| cehteh | well nothing to care about .. in either way | 00:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer, assuming hawking radiation correctly describes black holes. | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | however - natural collisions of similar energy... | 01:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | Trivia: A 600 ton black hole evaporates in one second. | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but we have no better explanation for the fact there are actually so *few* of them, despite the fact there's cosmic particles far beyond the energy Cern LHC ever can reach | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah you've been faster on typing "natural collisions" ;-P | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've been using n900 most of today. | 01:03 |
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| cehteh | really nothing to worry .. we have the technology to erradiate mankind since 65 years now without much doubt .. the LHC should be our least concern anyways | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | As I'm backing up my laptop hd prior to RMA. | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | And mhy typing is getting a bit faster . | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and I'm going to use it now, in the pub with a nice beer in front of me ;-D | 01:04 |
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| Jef91 | is there a way I can have my easy debian use a different window manager other than lxde? | 01:09 |
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| javispedro | sshhhtt | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | its oh so quiet | 01:24 |
| Dyresen | Can I expect to be able to flash my N900 and run meego next week? :) | 01:24 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | probably not, but someone will port. | 01:25 |
| noobmonk3y | next week, lol | 01:25 |
| * noobmonk3y chuckles | 01:25 | |
| nidO | probably* but dont expect an even remotely working or usable phone | 01:25 |
| javispedro | but why not? one of the meego gods told us he used meego daily!!! :'( ;) | 01:26 |
| Dyresen | Ok, so no official support of meego for N900? | 01:26 |
| C-S-B-N900 | not yet | 01:26 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | if ever | 01:26 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but community will fill in gap | 01:27 |
| nidO | well next week is the very first early development release, so in a word, lolno. | 01:27 |
| Dyresen | Ok, gues it's bye bye Nokia for me then. | 01:27 |
| noobmonk3y | Dyresen? ... when did they announce meego? | 01:27 |
| javispedro | more importantly. | 01:27 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, never did get a real answer to what, exactly, that meant. | 01:27 |
| javispedro | why do you want MeeGo? | 01:27 |
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| trip0 | if the n900 won't run meego 5.0, i'm not interested | 01:28 |
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| nidO | its "bye nokia" because the very first development meego release that isnt in any way whatsoever intended or ready for production use on anything, wont be on your n900? | 01:28 |
| * noobmonk3y chuckles some more | 01:28 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | because the grass is ALWAYSING greener | 01:28 |
| trip0 | i wouldn't want the first meego on my n900 | 01:28 |
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| nidO | nor would I other than to hack about with when im having a quiet day at work then reflash in the afternoon, im happy with a phone I can use. | 01:29 |
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| trip0 | not until it's a stable platform anyway. and my that time, I will have dropped my n900 in the toilet or my kid will have eaten it | 01:29 |
| trip0 | s/my/by* | 01:29 |
| Dyresen | nidO: No but it will be bye bye if they don't support N900. | 01:29 |
| javispedro | GAN900: yeah :( my guess: "only some components of fremantle replace with meego's" | 01:29 |
| javispedro | *replaced | 01:30 |
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| javispedro | Dyresen: why do you want MeeGo? | 01:30 |
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| trip0 | i think we know that the n900 will be a dev platform for meego | 01:30 |
| noobmonk3y | Dyresen - why do you want meego so much? | 01:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | doh: ditto to javis | 01:30 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | hey doc | 01:31 |
| nidO | more to the point, why do you want meego *right the hell now*? even when it does start hitting the shelves on devices, what makes you think it's going to be any better than maemo 6 months down the line will be, or have a greater app availability? | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hey | 01:31 |
| pupnik | irssi on n900 has an exploit | 01:31 |
| C-S-B-N900 | o rly | 01:31 |
| C-S-B-N900 | more info? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | quick, dispatch the maemo security team! | 01:32 |
| pupnik | just a dos | 01:32 |
| * javispedro can hear the black helicopters already | 01:32 | |
| Dyresen | nidO: I sure hope it will get better app availability | 01:32 |
| anotnac | what is this new software coming to n900 what jussi makinen posted on twitter about | 01:32 |
| pupnik | 00:25 < Darff> HeLLO ?ADCC SEND | 01:32 |
| javispedro | anotnac: PR1.2 | 01:32 |
| nidO | from day one? you're whistling in the wind. | 01:32 |
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| anotnac | no | 01:32 |
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| anotnac | http://www.pikilipita.com/vj/index.php herrtes link | 01:32 |
| Dyresen | nidO: noone said it will have it from day one. | 01:32 |
| anotnac | its app or something | 01:32 |
| nidO | you seem to be demanding it. | 01:32 |
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| Dyresen | nidO: no, thats just how you read into it. | 01:33 |
| Dyresen | Im just asking of N900 will be suported. | 01:33 |
| javispedro | N900 IS supported, there's a Fremantle update coming soon and another in the works. | 01:33 |
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| pupnik | hmm i hope that was filtered | 01:33 |
| Dyresen | Oki | 01:33 |
| anotnac | you read it guys i dont see much details so not sure what it is | 01:33 |
| javispedro | But MeeGo--- why | 01:34 |
| nidO | well actually your response to whether itll be supported *next week* by the very first alpha development release was "bye nokia" | 01:34 |
| javispedro | it won't have MMS, it might not have video calling, etc etc. | 01:34 |
| Dyresen | yeah that actually would be the best | 01:34 |
| javispedro | while on the other side we know that Fremantle has MMS _now_ and some more video calling in PR1.2. | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wonder if I have to curse 3G in general, r my provider, or N900 or freenode. constant ping timeouts :-( | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 01:35 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:35 |
| nidO | id go with your provider | 01:35 |
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| GAN900 | I wish microb could remember http passwords | 01:36 |
| javispedro | 401? | 01:36 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 01:36 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:36 |
| * javispedro remembers that palmos remember ONLY 401 passwords, and ignored html forms | 01:37 | |
| javispedro | s/palmos/blazer | 01:37 |
| trip0 | fremantle has MMS? | 01:37 |
| trip0 | i didn't think it was ever going to get it? | 01:37 |
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| javispedro | in the form of fMMS :) | 01:37 |
| GAN900 | fMMS | 01:37 |
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| GAN900 | It works great | 01:37 |
| trip0 | oh | 01:37 |
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| * GAN900 really wants an Indigo applications. | 01:37 | |
| trip0 | MMS was one of my buddy's "killer feature" for a phone | 01:37 |
| trip0 | i personally think it's a dated tech | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping | 01:38 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:38 |
| * javispedro decides to give fmms a try | 01:38 | |
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| javispedro | uh, not in -stable? | 01:39 |
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| GAN900 | Not so far as I know | 01:40 |
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| GAN900 | Some bugs | 01:40 |
| GAN900 | Mostly cosmetic | 01:40 |
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| openstandards | hi all :) | 01:42 |
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| anotnac | hi | 01:43 |
| trip0 | what's going on with fennec these days? | 01:44 |
| trip0 | is it usable yet? | 01:44 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | seems usable, though I'm not sure I'd prefer it yet. | 01:45 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | I would pick it over an iphone or android browser. | 01:46 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | As an aside, they stopped work on the winmo version of fennec. | 01:46 |
| openstandards | does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh? | 01:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | openstandards, rsync | 01:47 |
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| nidO | I have it as a backup option, all I really need for it's ssh and a browser though | 01:47 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | whats that nidO i seemed to have just been power magemented out... | 01:49 |
| C-S-B-N900 | im intrigued. | 01:49 |
| nidO | [23:46] <openstandards> does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh? | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy | 01:49 |
| javispedro | fAPN should be a control panel applet, really. | 01:50 |
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| openstandards | its lovely being able to ssh in and issue proper commands i love it | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | someone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy | 01:50 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | nid0 ssh and rdesktop | 01:50 |
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| pupnik | anyone here got VIcE working? | 01:50 |
| nidO | my e90 was better for system administration though | 01:50 |
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| nidO | by a long way | 01:50 |
| openstandards | nidO, how so | 01:51 |
| ds3 | hehe - http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 | 01:51 |
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| nidO | infinitely better keyboard. not just a little bit less akward to use, its not even in the same class. | 01:51 |
| nidO | full size proper massive keyboard with character keys, no assing around with fn buttons just to get a forwardslash. | 01:52 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:52 |
| nidO | that, and putty has a version for symbian, so easy to just port all my stored hosts across from my workstation and connect to em directly | 01:53 |
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| nidO | and its prettier :) | 01:54 |
| openstandards | yeah i never got putty working for my e65 | 01:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | .ssh/.config might helpful for storing hosts. | 01:54 |
| nidO | sure, its useful to add them, but I have like 90. | 01:54 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ignore the swcond . | 01:55 |
| nidO | with putty on symbian it's just a copypasta from my desktop rather than having to re-add 90-odd hosts by hand | 01:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | oh christ, your point about the keyboard is being probed | 01:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | *proved | 01:55 |
| pupnik | lol | 01:55 |
| nidO | heh | 01:55 |
| openstandards | is it possible to copy and paste from the browser? | 01:55 |
| nidO | e90's keyboard is an absolute dream | 01:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | yes. | 01:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ctrl+c | 01:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | move your cursor bottom left to get a cursor. | 01:56 |
| openstandards | how do you select the yext thou | 01:56 |
| C-S-B-N900 | finger even. | 01:56 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | lol at all the typos! | 01:56 |
| openstandards | lol | 01:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i can see people training there muscles to use the n900 kb. | 01:57 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and having fails. | 01:57 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | openstandards: how you getting on with the cp and paste? | 01:58 |
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| nidO | my dream's still that nokia release an e-series meego device with the same form factor as an e90 | 01:58 |
| nidO | buy that baby the day it's available | 01:59 |
| openstandards | failing :) | 01:59 |
| C-S-B-N900 | bit big though? | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | it's supposed to be big to show off | 01:59 |
| nidO | its tall yeah, useful for posing though | 01:59 |
| nidO | but its height and being a clamshell is what allows it to have such a perfect keyboard | 02:00 |
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| ShadowJK | e90 is the SUV of phones: heavy, big, inefficient, expensive | 02:00 |
| C-S-B-N900 | wouldn't netbook fill that void? | 02:00 |
| nidO | e90 fits in a pocket and is a phone | 02:00 |
| nidO | netbooks are neither | 02:00 |
| C-S-B-N900 | the sony p series for example | 02:00 |
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| crashanddie | best keyboard is still on most blackberries | 02:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | but then you oqn a blackberry | 02:01 |
| nidO | whereas an e90 with updated hardware and a non symbian os basically *is* a netbook, with about as good a keyboard, that can fit in your pocket and make phone calls. | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | oqn? | 02:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | own | 02:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | fm kb | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | heh... My point exactly? | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | owning a blackberry isn't a bad thing -- only for business use though. | 02:02 |
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| ShadowJK | I think the next communicator, if any, would still be symbian.. backwards compat for enterprise/business users.. | 02:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i know too many twats with them. | 02:03 |
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| crashanddie | Writing a long email on a blackberry isn't an issue. The UI keeps up, spellcheck is on-par, extremely responsive | 02:03 |
| nidO | yes im afraid of that as well, or that nokia will kill the communicator series now | 02:03 |
| nidO | seeing as commercially at least the e90 was a flop thanks to nokia regressing the os | 02:03 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i think theres a real market for linux admin geek phones. | 02:03 |
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| openstandards | i just hope nokia understand that alot of their users want better calendar support....etc | 02:04 |
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| nidO | if they do release another communicator theyd probably have to be less over the top with the hardware anyway | 02:05 |
| nidO | I think these days a £750 phone is gonna be a real hard sell. | 02:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i think they should make the hw more open. an ultimate hacker phone. | 02:05 |
| openstandards | C-S-B-N900, won't work won't make enough money....look at the freerunner that pretty much flopped | 02:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | like the n900, if they deliver im sure the community will pick up the rest. | 02:06 |
| trip0 | freerunner suffered things other than being open source | 02:07 |
| C-S-B-N900 | freerunner is not in the shopfront with nokia behind it. | 02:07 |
| trip0 | ie, an only partially working stack | 02:07 |
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| nidO | no "ultimate hacker phone" aimed squarely at geeks is going to be in the shopfront | 02:07 |
| openstandards | exactly... | 02:08 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | n900 is fairly under utilised by any else | 02:08 |
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| openstandards | C-S-B-N900, the n900 seems like a good bridge give it to a geek and they will divorce their partner : | 02:09 |
| nidO | pfff | 02:09 |
| nidO | I got my n900 and my girlfriend steals it all the time to play blubbels | 02:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 02:09 |
| openstandards | and shes still your girlfriend? :P | 02:09 |
| C-S-B-N900 | first time my gf touched it, she dropped it. | 02:10 |
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| openstandards | yikes.... i've dropped mine enough | 02:10 |
| pupnik | it should really sell to folks who want a good browser also | 02:10 |
| nidO | mine has it on threat of snapping her hd2 in half to be careful with mine | 02:10 |
| ds3 | C-S-B-N900: is she still your gf? ;) | 02:10 |
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| crashanddie | <C-S-B-N900> first time my gf touched it, she dropped it. <-- quoted | 02:11 |
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| openstandards | if the n900 had more enterprise features it would be alot better than it currently is | 02:11 |
| crashanddie | Well, for specific people, not everyone | 02:11 |
| C-S-B-N900 | yeah, i forgave her. shes not touched it since. | 02:11 |
| Robot101 | more quote fodder | 02:12 |
| Robot101 | :P | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | C-S-B-N900: I think that in order to qualify as your girlfriend, she needs to /touch it/ every once in a while | 02:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | saying that im on n900 no. 3. this is my baby. | 02:12 |
| crashanddie | Robot101: glad you're seeing it too | 02:12 |
| * C-S-B-N900 is fully aware... | 02:13 | |
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| * noobmonk3y smiles :D | 02:14 | |
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| C-S-B-N900 | anyone had luck with the infrared remote control app? | 02:16 |
| nidO | some | 02:16 |
| nidO | half of the remote profiles seem to do bugger all though | 02:16 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i have a shit crt here and it ignores me. | 02:17 |
| silverbullet | yes it worked for me | 02:17 |
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| nidO | I managed to cobble something together for my tv from various similar profiles, but its total pot luck as to whether the profile you want will actually do anything | 02:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and whines like a bitch | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | anyone seen since pr 1.1.1 the virtual keyboard not popping up in textfields? | 02:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | silverbullet: what kind of range are you getting? | 02:18 |
| nidO | SpeedEvil iv had no problems with it | 02:18 |
| nidO | dont use it much but when I do it works | 02:18 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | virtual kb seems like asking for trouble? | 02:18 |
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| silverbullet | speedevil, it sometimes is slow in coming up, and sometimes on a regular use, it fails to show on just 1 click, i have to touch many times on a text field to have it open | 02:19 |
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| silverbullet | csb, i dont know about the range stuff, i have toshiba tv, and from the download remote area, i selceted toshiba and just randomly selected seom tv remote and it worked, all buttons that i added | 02:20 |
| tools | cool - im using irssi on a remote system with my new n900 :-) | 02:20 |
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| silverbullet | i'm using qtirreco | 02:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | silverbullet: well how far are you sat from your tv? | 02:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | like usuable distance? | 02:21 |
| silverbullet | about 9 feet i think | 02:21 |
| * noobmonk3y has never got the ir working :( | 02:21 | |
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| nidO | probably using a duff remote profile | 02:22 |
| silverbullet | noobmonk3y have u used qtirreco ? | 02:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | might be good alt. to a harmony. | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | silverbullet, hmm. not working at all. odd. | 02:22 |
| nidO | it would be a great alternative if the remote profiles all just worked properly and there were more of them | 02:22 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah silverbullet - tried on 3 tv's - none officially on the lists - but tried the random similar models, never got it working | 02:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | my tv is an lg lcd but im home staying at the mother in laws and her tv is ancient. i cant find anything that works. | 02:23 |
| noobmonk3y | i have a wharfdale in my room, none on there :( but still no others work with it | 02:23 |
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| nidO | my yamaha separates are a no-go with gtirreco too | 02:23 |
| nidO | though I got it going for my tv, mostly | 02:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | id really like it to work. | 02:24 |
| silverbullet | i thought the *download remote* had a pretty comprehensive list of makes and models | 02:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmmm none of mine ;) | 02:24 |
| silverbullet | hmm | 02:24 |
| nidO | it has a fair few, but its in no way comprehensive | 02:24 |
| nidO | and half of them dont work | 02:24 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but saying that it prob would work on *my* tv. | 02:25 |
| noobmonk3y | i do have 3 oddish tv's i suppose | 02:25 |
| noobmonk3y | but all under 3 years old | 02:25 |
| nidO | dont work as in = properly messed up, and result in the ir tx not even doing anything when you press the buttons | 02:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | nidO - nothing, no sign of life...... | 02:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooooo nice split!!! | 02:29 |
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| ab_ | whats this split msg about ? | 02:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | servers split :D | 02:31 |
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| ab_ | meaning? | 02:31 |
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| nidO | that one's pretty huge | 02:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | so half the room vanish, and rejoin when the servers talk to each other | 02:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | you all join on different servers | 02:32 |
| silverbullet | hmm | 02:32 |
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| nidO | ta-da | 02:32 |
| noobmonk3y | so if one looses touch with another, it is called a split | 02:32 |
| noobmonk3y | woah welcome back split surfers | 02:32 |
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| nidO | id almost say it was us that split :< | 02:32 |
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| * noobmonk3y felt separated :( | 02:32 | |
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| silverbullet | :) | 02:33 |
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| silverbullet | i think its the tremors of pr 1.2 !!!!! | 02:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | yup,, twas a tsunami net split..... | 02:33 |
| silverbullet | :p | 02:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol silverbullet | 02:33 |
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| nidO | srsly | 02:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | shhhhhhhhhhh dont say those numbers out loud | 02:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | trolls come hunting | 02:33 |
| silverbullet | hehe | 02:33 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y did you see the video of that woman who got pushed along the a1 sideways in her car by a lorry for ages? | 02:33 |
| * noobmonk3y whispers meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gooooooooooooooooo | 02:33 | |
| noobmonk3y | omfg, yeah | 02:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | in fact my version of irreco says cannot parse response when downloading remotes? | 02:34 |
| noobmonk3y | was fcuked up | 02:34 |
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| nidO | worst lorry driver in the world ever | 02:34 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i saw that | 02:34 |
| noobmonk3y | really do not beleive he didnt notice?! | 02:34 |
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| pupnik | maybe she was his ex | 02:34 |
| C-S-B-N900 | how the hell did the car get there sidewards? | 02:34 |
| Myrtti | maybe you need to find a better hobby than IRC | 02:34 |
| nidO | the lorry clipped the side of her car | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | right anyway, bed time | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | nights alls | 02:35 |
| silverbullet | how do u all know the same video ??/ | 02:35 |
| nidO | basically an accidental pitt maneuver | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | silverbullet on the news | 02:35 |
| nidO | silverbullet it's been all over the news in the uk | 02:35 |
| silverbullet | hmm | 02:35 |
| silverbullet | oh | 02:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 02:35 |
| silverbullet | u all in uk | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | we is a small country, innit | 02:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | national news = village news ;) | 02:35 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 02:35 |
| silverbullet | :) | 02:35 |
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| * noobmonk3y was in the news once :D | 02:35 | |
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| noobmonk3y | was providing IT feedback to a section they did on bbc local news :D | 02:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | anyway | 02:36 |
| * noobmonk3y yawns | 02:36 | |
| * noobmonk3y eats more air.....bed time! lol | 02:36 | |
| nidO | nn | 02:36 |
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| silverbullet | my time just started. just came to office its morning at my side | 02:37 |
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| crashanddie | nidO: then again, a baby getting mistreated was "all over the news" in the UK for nearly a year | 02:40 |
| crashanddie | nidO: up to a point where TDM and Metro had a page, with the same picture and layout every day for nearly two weeks. Page 7 IIRC. | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | only the text would change a bit | 02:41 |
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| nidO | I dont see the connection :p | 02:41 |
| crashanddie | UK news is famously poor | 02:42 |
| crashanddie | except for BBC, obviously. | 02:42 |
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| nidO | tabloid news is, ofc, I wouldnt ever dispute that | 02:42 |
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| crashanddie | buon giorno sergio__ ! | 02:43 |
| Dyresen | 1:43 AM Good night! | 02:43 |
| sergio__ | ciao a tutti | 02:43 |
| sergio__ | hello | 02:43 |
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| crashanddie | e mattina, per quanto posso osservare | 02:44 |
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| sergio__ | di dove siete? | 02:44 |
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| sergio__ | che canale è questo? | 02:44 |
| silverbullet | what lang is that | 02:45 |
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| njsf_ | italiano | 02:45 |
| silverbullet | cool | 02:45 |
| sergio__ | sorry | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | sergio__: #maemo | 02:45 |
| sergio__ | where are u from' | 02:45 |
| njsf_ | ciao crashanddie | 02:45 |
| silverbullet | me? | 02:45 |
| sergio__ | yes | 02:45 |
| silverbullet | pakistan | 02:45 |
| sergio__ | ok | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | australia :) | 02:45 |
| sergio__ | ma funzionano le query? | 02:46 |
| sergio__ | non mi risp nessuno :D | 02:46 |
| silverbullet | i'm planning to visit rome in september ... | 02:46 |
| silverbullet | i'm searching on internet for affordable hotels/rooms to rent | 02:46 |
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| njsf_ | silverbullet: if you are alone, with young friends you could try youth hostels | 02:48 |
| njsf_ | in Europe usually a fair deal | 02:48 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, just go for backpackers | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 02:48 |
| silverbullet | yea i will be alone | 02:48 |
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| silverbullet | its absolutely safe in youth hostels :) ? | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | does anybody know a place where i can buy 32G microSD card? | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | If you don't need the luxury of a hotel, you can usually find places for $20 a night | 02:49 |
| jacekowski | and is n900 going to take it? | 02:49 |
| silverbullet | jackowski check this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44746 | 02:49 |
| nidO | probably nowhere yet as they were released like 2 days ago literally | 02:49 |
| nidO | and it should do | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | silverbullet: depends, are you a chick wearing short skirts and showing off a nice neckline? Or a bearded guy who showers every 3 days? | 02:49 |
| jacekowski | silverbullet: if you go to cheapest one it might not be as clean as you might expect | 02:49 |
| njsf_ | yeah phys interface is same, Linux supports FAT32, you're all set | 02:49 |
| silverbullet | aha | 02:50 |
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| silverbullet | i'm just a simple guy who does carry a n900 and uses it a lot, i think that doesnt attract theft | 02:50 |
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| jacekowski | silverbullet: i was more interested in advice where to get one | 02:51 |
| jacekowski | silverbullet: get it insured | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | silverbullet: where do you live? | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | http://www.mobymemory.com/products/SanDisk/Sandisk-32gb-Micro-SD-SDHC-PRE-ORDER.asp | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | pre order, but should come out soon | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: i need it now | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | because i run out of space npw | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | now | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | you don't need anything | 02:52 |
| jacekowski | not soon | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | you want it | 02:52 |
| nidO | if you need it now | 02:52 |
| nidO | then you're shit out of luck | 02:52 |
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| crashanddie | ~nidO++ | 02:53 |
| nidO | the things were released literally this week | 02:53 |
| nidO | they dont get on shop shelves that fast | 02:53 |
| silverbullet | i was reading that post | 02:53 |
| jacekowski | 64G would be nice | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: just buy two 16GB? | 02:53 |
| silverbullet | i thought it may have some info related to that | 02:53 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: N900 is not going to take them | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | N900 doesn't support 16GB? That's news | 02:53 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: well it supports 1x16G | 02:54 |
| silverbullet | it does i'm sure | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | my point exactly :) | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: 2x16G is not going to happen | 02:54 |
| silverbullet | yea | 02:54 |
| silverbullet | at the same time | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | that's why i want 32G | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | or 64 | 02:54 |
| jacekowski | or 128 | 02:54 |
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| nidO | well, realistically you can expect to get a 32 in a month or two | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | i'm just wondering where it will go from now | 02:55 |
| nidO | probably nearer 2 | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | physicaly bigger card | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | or multiple slots | 02:55 |
| jacekowski | or it will just stay at 32G or whatever physical limitation is | 02:55 |
| nidO | physical limitation only === as good as the current tech is | 02:56 |
| jacekowski | that's what's limiting CPU power consumption and size at the moment | 02:56 |
| jacekowski | anything smaller would need much lower voltage | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | expect 128g microsds 2012ish | 02:56 |
| jacekowski | because you would get microsparks inside transistors | 02:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, current SDs already run the RAM lower voltage than the IO | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | yay! Nanoparticles completely remove cancer cells in human trial! | 02:57 |
| crashanddie | LET'S ALL HAVE A FAG, SHALL WE? | 02:57 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: start smoking | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but there are lower voltage limits | 02:58 |
| GAN900 | Too expensive | 02:58 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, ? | 02:58 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: well, you can be sure that prices are going to drop dramatically | 02:58 |
| crashanddie | if this pans out | 02:58 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i mean you can't go too low with voltage | 02:58 |
| crashanddie | no cancer anymore, no need for taxing the fags | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, the flash chip has lower core voltage. This is not exposed to the world in SDsx | 02:59 |
| nidO | oh yeah cos the health risks are the only reason the govt levies such a stupid tax on luxury items | 02:59 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: yeah and how low that voltage is limited by physics | 02:59 |
| crashanddie | nidO: mainly, yeah | 02:59 |
| nidO | did cider suddenly get more deadly this year? | 02:59 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and same physics limit high limit as well | 02:59 |
| nidO | cos tax on it just went up by 10% | 02:59 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: and smaller it get's higher limits go lower | 03:00 |
| nidO | oh wait, the tax is there to fill the govt coffers and nothing else | 03:00 |
| crashanddie | nidO: hey, if they lower on smokes, they can increase taxes on booze all they want | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, geometry looks like the current limit, not voltage. | 03:00 |
| crashanddie | nidO: I'm paying $15 a pack here :P | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, sure, voltages change with geomtry. Sp what? | 03:00 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i've read that with current cpus it's voltage problem that insulators aren't good enough at that sizes/voltages | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cheers | 03:01 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: smaller wires support smaller voltages, news at eleven? | 03:01 |
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| nidO | personally I dont smoke, but a long and difficult new process that might possibly cure cancer != tax on cigs being abolished. | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: smaller wire == smaller distance between wires | 03:01 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: == less insulation | 03:01 |
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| crashanddie | in what world does smaller wire == smaller distance between? | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | silicon world | 03:02 |
| crashanddie | no, smaller wire means smaller wire, whether you want to put them closer together is your problem, not the wire's | 03:02 |
| jacekowski | because it means smaller transistors at the same time | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski, the major current problem is simply photolithography. and squeezing the geometries. | 03:02 |
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| jacekowski | anywas | 03:03 |
| jacekowski | sleep time | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: yep, you get voltage gradients where little sparks jump between the 35nm structures at 5V | 03:03 |
| crashanddie | I'm bored at work | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | anyone have an idea for an app I could code? | 03:05 |
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| silverbullet | i'm bored too | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie, a levelfinding app. | 03:05 |
| silverbullet | hey since u mentioned coding | 03:05 |
| crashanddie | levelfinding? | 03:05 |
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| ds3 | a simple GPS logging/way point app a la the early GPS's | 03:06 |
| silverbullet | i couldnt find a place to download a verion of qt creator that has madde integration for windows :( | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie, wander round a site, taking multiple pictures. Make a 3d model, using them, and use the accel when | 03:06 |
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| silverbullet | there is one but not easy to loacte, and maybe i'm dyslexic :) | 03:06 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I said I was bored, not that I wanted ideas for a PhD in applied mathematics! | 03:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | pictures were taken to work out the level of ground. To help with leveling earth and stuff. | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | :J | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: I suck at that kind of stuff... I'm more into small but powerful apps | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | A shift-indicator on the led | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | interesting | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | showing if you're in shift or shift lock mode. | 03:08 |
| ds3 | crashanddie: a simple GPS app! | 03:08 |
| silverbullet | SpeedEvil what do u do ? | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | silverbullet, not much. | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie, or a thing to poll gps once an hour (or more often if plugged in) to keep the fix fresh. | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie, Or, something to enable €cel-tap detection. | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | accel | 03:10 |
| silverbullet | umm u talk like electrical engineers :) | 03:11 |
| silverbullet | umm some of my friends :) | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | for right button. | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | silverbullet, not currently employed. Am interested in field. | 03:11 |
| crashanddie | electrical engineers are brutes, barbarians. They yield 200 amps and thousands of volts as if it were a walk in the park | 03:12 |
| silverbullet | heheh | 03:12 |
| silverbullet | really ? | 03:12 |
| crashanddie | electronics engineers are pussies. They work with fractions of amps, single-digit volts | 03:12 |
| silverbullet | like we coders do with code :P | 03:12 |
| silverbullet | both of u r engineers!!! i guess | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: (shift indicator led) you STOLE my idea!! | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: patent it | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe. | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall mention of it. | 03:13 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: but I'm guessing that prior art would bum you quite a bit | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: did that 1987 | 03:14 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: look at your desktop's keyboard... | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | they stole it too XP | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, honestly - a indicator LED 'pattern' showing shift anf Fn and ctrl both onetime and lock that'd be mad useful | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 03:18 |
| cehteh | extra leds (3color!) under each key :P | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | heh, we actually got 6 individually controlable LED under the kbd | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alas only white | 03:22 |
| cehteh | yeah and not well differentiated they blur into each other | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and aren't visible in normal daylight | 03:23 |
| pupnik | software controllable DocScrutinizer51 ? lets animate em in a wave pattern | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indicator LED would match better what we need for 'capslock' LED | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: SpeedEvil did that | 03:24 |
| cehteh | mhm | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | get his script | 03:25 |
| cehteh | no dbus singnals for keylocks (i didnt really expect it) | 03:25 |
| cehteh | that would be too simple :P | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. point. | 03:25 |
| pupnik | where is script SpeedEvil ? | 03:25 |
| crashanddie | can we access skype from telepathy? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: :-/ | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | keyboard isn't very visible | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik, diddn't save. | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | grep logs for speedevil.*bright | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (wah. pub closing) | 03:26 |
| cehteh | lol | 03:26 |
| cehteh | mhm locking caps or fn shows this banner .. that must be catchable somewhere | 03:27 |
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| cehteh | but there is definately no unlock message | 03:27 |
| cehteh | getting the led blink when battery is low was easy, but this might be harder | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quote from next one left: fsck books - can't grep them | 03:28 |
| cehteh | (and i dont really need it, i can remember the state) | 03:28 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: do you have an idea how much mA the vibrator draws? | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I *love* OM-HW headquarters pub | 03:30 |
| cehteh | my guessimate would be somewhere between 50-250 .. but i am not good at guessing that | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 50 is probably closer. | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | llooking for controllable load? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: vibr is expesive | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | flashlight - 100mA or so | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess some 100s | 03:32 |
| cehteh | nope, i yesterday had the idea of a long lasting pattern (30 minutes) giving short ticks (50ms) every 10-30 secs | 03:32 |
| cehteh | for notification | 03:32 |
| cehteh | but well i played with that and one doesnt really notice short vibrates | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no problem | 03:33 |
| cehteh | maybe 250ms or longer but more infrequent is better | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | will run some days from a charged bat | 03:33 |
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| cehteh | PatternVibraTwitch=5;1;900;0;100;0;15;10000;255 | 03:34 |
| cehteh | too short | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | assume 300mA. 1s per 30s is an avrg of 10 | 03:35 |
| cehteh | eh that was already tewaked ... well lemme try | 03:35 |
| cehteh | yeah | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neglectable | 03:35 |
| cehteh | # OnPeriod time in milliseconds | 03:36 |
| cehteh | # BreakPeriod time in milliseconds | 03:36 |
| cehteh | # OffPeriod time in milliseconds | 03:36 |
| cehteh | whats 'BreakPeriod' | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 03:37 |
| cehteh | hehe | 03:38 |
| cehteh | accelerate is a short full power kick to unstuck the motor btw | 03:38 |
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| cehteh | just in case you wonder about that :P | 03:39 |
| cehteh | PatternVibraTwitch=5;1;900;0;10;240;0;10000;160 | 03:39 |
| cehteh | .. lemme try that | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | break might mean 'short the pins to make motor stop' | 03:39 |
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| cehteh | i have it at 0 now lemme see | 03:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 wishes mce itself was as configurable as the vibr is | 03:40 | |
| cehteh | or even opensource | 03:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yup | 03:41 |
| cehteh | yes break might be the motor brake .. lemme try | 03:41 |
| cehteh | yes | 03:42 |
| cehteh | it is | 03:42 |
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| crashanddie | do you need to restart a service after modifying mce.ini? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc yes | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | wiki has some comment on tha iirc | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | led-patterns | 03:53 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | here's my idea | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | upon receiving an sms/IM | 03:56 |
| crashanddie | have the led morse-code-display the contents of the sms | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | also prior art XP | 03:57 |
| crashanddie | who gives a fuck? | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows Morse? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia standard SMS notification ... -- ... | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I still failed to manage to decode the long pattern from old 6210 yet | 03:59 |
| crashanddie | .. -.- -. --- .-- -- --- .-. ... . | 03:59 |
| silverbullet | wow | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, to lazy to dig out my mores cmdline | 04:01 |
| silverbullet | morse code !! | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | morse even | 04:01 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, lunch time | 04:01 |
| torrancew | has anyone had trouble with some bash scripts on maemo 5? | 04:01 |
| torrancew | specifically, the =~ operator? | 04:02 |
| crashanddie | torrancew: did you install bash? | 04:03 |
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| crashanddie | torrancew: by default the shell isn't bash | 04:03 |
| torrancew | yeah, bash is on there | 04:04 |
| torrancew | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=579006 | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ..-. ..- -.-. -.- .. -. --. -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . --..-- -.-- --- ..- -- .- -.. . -- . --. .-. . .--. -- -.-- ... .... . .-.. .-.. .... .. ... - --- .-. -.-- ...-.- | 04:04 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's no way you didn't do that without a converter | 04:04 |
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| silverbullet | splitttiiiinnnnnn | 04:05 |
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| crashanddie | morse code broke everything! | 04:05 |
| torrancew | rofl | 04:05 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | netsplit? | 04:08 |
| silverbullet | happening every hour i think | 04:09 |
| torrancew | DocScrutinizer: happens when a server tanks, i believe | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, noticed strange problems last few hours | 04:09 |
| silverbullet | as i said be 4 to someone ... pr 1.2 tremors :) | 04:10 |
| torrancew | they've been getting spam waves a good bit lately | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good part is ircd-7 seems to cope with such crap rather conveniently | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only problem : it comes to a grinding halt on rejecting all the junk flood | 04:12 |
| pupnik | pygame doesnt see enter key | 04:12 |
| pupnik | does n900 still send it as kp-enter? | 04:12 |
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| cehteh | still? .. unchangeable because of some crap :P | 04:17 |
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| cehteh | some apps expect hardcoded kp-enter now .. from the closed source league | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OHNOES! | 04:31 |
| silverbullet | hey can anyone tell me how to specify a http proxy to the microb? ? | 04:31 |
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| silverbullet | i'm already on an usb network and ping both ways and ssh too ... using win7 | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: | 04:32 |
| silverbullet | wub be cool if i can just ask micro be to use the proxy server on my pc | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you googled? | 04:34 |
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| silverbullet | no | 04:34 |
| silverbullet | well | 04:34 |
| silverbullet | i have searched and read the forums few times be 4 | 04:34 |
| silverbullet | but not before asking this question here today | 04:34 |
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| DigitalPioneer | n8 | 04:35 |
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| cehteh | silverbullet: connection settings | 04:37 |
| silverbullet | where | 04:37 |
| cehteh | uhm | 04:38 |
| silverbullet | i'm checking about:config right now .. lots of proxy setting there | 04:38 |
| silverbullet | have to set the right one and not mess up | 04:38 |
| cehteh | connection setting of the device | 04:38 |
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| cehteh | not in microb | 04:38 |
| cehteh | where you configure wlan and so on | 04:38 |
| silverbullet | internet connections ? | 04:38 |
| cehteh | yes | 04:39 |
| silverbullet | yes that is internet connections | 04:39 |
| silverbullet | and | 04:39 |
| cehteh | go figure | 04:39 |
| silverbullet | what entry should I select ? | 04:39 |
| cehteh | your connection .. extended preferences .. | 04:39 |
| silverbullet | gulp | 04:40 |
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| silverbullet | :) | 04:40 |
| silverbullet | wait a sec | 04:40 |
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| silverbullet | enteries there r only "cellular data" and a bunch of wireless connections | 04:41 |
| silverbullet | should i just click on new | 04:41 |
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| silverbullet | new only lets me configure a new WLAN connection | 04:41 |
| silverbullet | but i'm ona usb networking mode right now | 04:42 |
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| cehteh | isnt your usb network listed there? | 04:43 |
| silverbullet | no | 04:43 |
| cehteh | then i dont know | 04:44 |
| silverbullet | while the usb network is on, is it supposed to be there in the "select connection" list ? | 04:44 |
| * DigitalPioneer points to pc connectivity manager | 04:44 | |
| DigitalPioneer | will show up in settings | 04:45 |
| silverbullet | where | 04:45 |
| silverbullet | it doesnt | 04:45 |
| silverbullet | what name ? | 04:45 |
| DigitalPioneer | app manager -> install pc connectivity manager | 04:45 |
| silverbullet | thats installed | 04:45 |
| silverbullet | thats how i am setting my ip 192.168.2.15 is of n900, and pc gets 192.168.2.14 | 04:46 |
| silverbullet | both ways ping is a success, can use ssh also. | 04:46 |
| silverbullet | using win7 | 04:46 |
| DigitalPioneer | settings - connections section -last entry PC_connectivity manager | 04:46 |
| silverbullet | the last entry is the wifi network that i last used on an airport | 04:47 |
| DigitalPioneer | hmm ok, no proxy setting there | 04:49 |
| DigitalPioneer | I'd guess microb uing $envs like any other sane http-browser | 04:53 |
| silverbullet | r u familiar with about:config | 04:53 |
| silverbullet | there is a setting to specify http proxy and port | 04:53 |
| silverbullet | i did that | 04:53 |
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| silverbullet | and still when i want to browse something it bring up that "select connection" list | 04:54 |
| silverbullet | it should just goto my pc's proxy server! whats so complicated here | 04:54 |
| silverbullet | does about:config requires a device reboot :p | 04:54 |
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| silverbullet | ? | 04:54 |
| sp3000 | are you using usb connection or something? I guess you could use seom dummy connection then to satisfy that bit | 04:55 |
| sp3000 | I don't quite recall how that works | 04:55 |
| cehteh | i wont touch about:config on microb unless absolutely necessary | 04:56 |
| cehteh | microb is but different | 04:56 |
| cehteh | bit | 04:56 |
| silverbullet | yea i'm on a usb network with my pc running win7. I can ping both ways and can use ssh as well. | 04:56 |
| cehteh | as in it runs a browserd daemon which you likely have to restart | 04:57 |
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| silverbullet | now i have a lil proxy server running on the 8080 port on my pc, i just want microb to do me a favor and use that sweet port ip:port to bring the pages down to me from the web | 04:57 |
| cehteh | why do you need the proxy server? | 04:58 |
| cehteh | no routing? | 04:58 |
| silverbullet | i dont know | 04:58 |
| cehteh | lol | 04:58 |
| silverbullet | there meaybe something wron with the win 7 :) | 04:58 |
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| silverbullet | cuz linux guys on the forums have no problem using internet through the usb networking | 04:58 |
| silverbullet | ok tell me about routing | 04:58 |
| cehteh | well you need routing and nat | 04:58 |
| silverbullet | how do i try that | 04:58 |
| cehteh | (or transpareant proxying) | 04:59 |
| cehteh | well .. go to http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ click install and be happy | 04:59 |
| silverbullet | do u know anything about pref.js ? | 05:00 |
| silverbullet | where is located | 05:00 |
| cehteh | /home/user/.mozilla prolly .. but microb is different! | 05:01 |
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| cehteh | better get your network working | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | its already working no ? | 05:02 |
| cehteh | i bet you cant ping other ip's from the n900 than the laptop | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | i can ping | 05:02 |
| cehteh | other ones? | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | umm | 05:02 |
| cehteh | not the laptop | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | u mean yahoo.com | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | ping ? | 05:02 |
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| cehteh | thats a prerequisite and windows network setup | 05:02 |
| cehteh | yes for example | 05:02 |
| silverbullet | u r right | 05:03 |
| cehteh | or ix.de or google.com | 05:03 |
| cehteh | so fix the windows networking settings | 05:03 |
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| cehteh | iirc its named 'connection sharing' in windows .. | 05:03 |
| cehteh | at least someone told me thats it in XP ... i never used XP | 05:03 |
| silverbullet | oh | 05:03 |
| silverbullet | yea i have done all the research about that :) | 05:04 |
| * cehteh left windows more than 10 years ago | 05:04 | |
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| silverbullet | on win 7 when u do connection sharing | 05:04 |
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| silverbullet | it assigns its own rubbish ip address to the adapter that wants to share the connection | 05:04 |
| silverbullet | and the network doesnt work | 05:04 |
| cehteh | well thats not *my* problem :P | 05:04 |
| LiraNuna | I'm playing around in scratchbox and qemu-arm | 05:05 |
| cehteh | and doesnt the n900 get a ip by dhcp from the laptop then? | 05:05 |
| LiraNuna | and I can't seem to run an armel executable | 05:05 |
| LiraNuna | I got export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=qemu-arm. | 05:05 |
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| cehteh | installed and followed the SDK instructions or some generic scratchbox setup? | 05:06 |
| silverbullet | :) | 05:06 |
| LiraNuna | yeah | 05:06 |
| LiraNuna | says executable not found | 05:06 |
| crashanddie | silverbullet: you should be able to assign a "main" adapter, all the other adapters will have the same address as that one | 05:06 |
| cehteh | in the first case .. you did something wrong | 05:06 |
| LiraNuna | and it's right there... | 05:06 |
| cehteh | in the second case .. you did something wrong | 05:06 |
| silverbullet | hmm | 05:06 |
| silverbullet | this about:config is not saving my http proxy | 05:07 |
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| cehteh | good | 05:07 |
| silverbullet | i change it, press enter key | 05:07 |
| silverbullet | close browser and open brower , goto about:config and the setting i wrote is gone | 05:07 |
| cehteh | you may brick microb and dont be able to fix it :P | 05:07 |
| silverbullet | !! | 05:07 |
| silverbullet | uhh | 05:07 |
| cehteh | dont edit about:config in microb | 05:08 |
| cehteh | you using windows .. i get what you deserve .. fix the windows network settings | 05:08 |
| silverbullet | look i know about:config can brick the microb, but what i'm not touching anything that doesnt concern me | 05:08 |
| silverbullet | dont worry :) | 05:08 |
| silverbullet | i'm just trying to change the "network.proxy.http" value change and *persist* | 05:09 |
| cehteh | haha i dont worry, i am absolutely certain, whatever you do wont cause trouble for me | 05:09 |
| silverbullet | but it doesnt | 05:09 |
| cehteh | yes microb is a heavy modified gecko engine by nokia with some custom gui | 05:10 |
| cehteh | dont expect that it will work like firefox | 05:10 |
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| LiraNuna | I always find those - http://pastie.org/private/ov45ccqmahnecdddyamq | 05:14 |
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| sp3000 | the proxy pref is likely being set from other places like connectivity and env | 05:15 |
| cehteh | sp3000: i told that already :P | 05:16 |
| cehteh | LiraNuna: just g++ does? | 05:17 |
| LiraNuna | yes | 05:17 |
| LiraNuna | well, gcc too | 05:17 |
| LiraNuna | don't know if you mean arm-linux-g++ vs g++ or arm-linux-g++ vs arm-linux-gcc | 05:18 |
| cehteh | yes i meant that and try without the -mcpu flog | 05:18 |
| cehteh | flag | 05:18 |
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| LiraNuna | no -mcpu still breaks | 05:18 |
| LiraNuna | -O1 and above breaks it | 05:19 |
| cehteh | and only g++ not arm-linux-g++ ? | 05:19 |
| LiraNuna | wait, -O3 does not | 05:19 |
| LiraNuna | only -O1 and -O2 | 05:19 |
| LiraNuna | I know I should've compiled my own toolchain | 05:19 |
| cehteh | mhm playing with neon instructions? | 05:19 |
| LiraNuna | yep | 05:20 |
| LiraNuna | hence why I set -mcpu and -mfpu-abi | 05:20 |
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| cehteh | yeah dunno about that | 05:20 |
| LiraNuna | -mfpu* | 05:20 |
| LiraNuna | can I use my own toolchain with scratchbox? | 05:20 |
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| LiraNuna | speaking from possibility standpoint, not support | 05:21 |
| cehteh | dunno | 05:21 |
| LiraNuna | I don't have to use scratchbox to code for the N900, right? | 05:22 |
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| * cehteh is thinking about installing the sdk on the device in a chroot on the microsd card | 05:22 | |
| cehteh | reformatted to ext3 .. fat wont wok | 05:23 |
| LiraNuna | cehteh, I did it on the N810 | 05:23 |
| cehteh | are | 05:23 |
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| LiraNuna | cehteh, programming ON the device wasn't fun, it lacks major keys such as {} and | | 05:23 |
| cehteh | not programming there .. just installing the sdk there and then prolly ssh to it | 05:23 |
| cehteh | currently i have more free space on the n900 than on my laptop :P | 05:24 |
| cehteh | but well i am doing other stuff | 05:24 |
| LiraNuna | does it start with p and ends with orn? | 05:25 |
| cehteh | n900 programming is only scratching my own itches, nothing more planned | 05:25 |
| cehteh | nope other vids and mp3 and a lot of code and git repos | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | LiraNuna: popcorn? | 05:25 |
| LiraNuna | crashanddie, YES! | 05:25 |
| cehteh | and only 100GB 1.8" hdd | 05:25 |
| cehteh | need a biggier ssd .. need money :P | 05:26 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: I don't think code and git repos is what costs you the space | 05:26 |
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| cehteh | $ du -sh src/ /usr/src/ | 05:27 |
| cehteh | 5.8Gsrc/ | 05:27 |
| cehteh | 1.9G/usr/src/ | 05:27 |
| cehteh | well ..its reasonable much | 05:27 |
| crashanddie | somehow, I doubt those numbers are pure code :) | 05:27 |
| cehteh | i didnt saied that .. objectfiles and other resources too | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | make realclean? | 05:28 |
| cehteh | i dont clean everything | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | quoted | 05:29 |
| cehteh | du -sh /.enc/scratchbox/ | 05:30 |
| cehteh | 4.2G/.enc/scratchbox/ | 05:30 |
| cehteh | the sdk isnt small either | 05:30 |
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| cehteh | so one adds to another | 05:31 |
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| hd1 | you may want to try putting object files on a RAM drive, assuming you can spare the memory, it REALLY speeds things up | 05:32 |
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| cehteh | you know what pagecache means? :) | 05:34 |
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| cehteh | $ time ls -R / >&/dev/null | 05:36 |
| cehteh | real0m8.829s | 05:36 |
| * cehteh thinks he is quite good in optimizing linux :) | 05:37 | |
| cehteh | $ time ls -R / 2>&1 | wc -l | 05:37 |
| cehteh | 1332241 | 05:37 |
| cehteh | real0m9.310s | 05:37 |
| cehteh | with an ultra slow 4200rpm 1.8" ide drive | 05:38 |
| hd1 | cehteh: yea, yea, I don't run Linux, I run FreeBSD and have built world in 45 seconds with /usr/obj sitting on a RAM drive... | 05:39 |
| hd1 | world being the entire system, kernel and all | 05:39 |
| cehteh | well if you have plenty of ram or a bad pagecache in your kernel | 05:40 |
| cehteh | for linux it might improve that build somewhat, but the kernel is better sharing the memory for proper use globally | 05:41 |
| cehteh | and i bet your ls -R / is still running :P | 05:41 |
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| wazd | heya all | 05:43 |
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| nbdarvin | hi to everybody | 06:00 |
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| Texrat | anyone home? | 06:05 |
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| nbdarvin | hey | 06:05 |
| nbdarvin | Texrat hey | 06:05 |
| * ml-something waves | 06:06 | |
| Texrat | hello | 06:06 |
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| Texrat | hmm awful quiet | 06:07 |
| Texrat | pupnik you there? | 06:07 |
| Ken-Young | Almost *too* quiet... | 06:07 |
| Texrat | compared to the meego meeting today especially...lol | 06:08 |
| Texrat | sheer chaos | 06:08 |
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| Ken-Young | Oh rats, I missed that meeting. | 06:08 |
| crashanddie | yo Texrat | 06:08 |
| nbdarvin | Is it hard to learn how to programm for Maemo with QT/python if i know desktop python/gtk/some qt | 06:09 |
| nbdarvin | ? | 06:09 |
| Texrat | yo yo Sebastian | 06:09 |
| Texrat | nbdarvin I've heard it's not | 06:09 |
| Texrat | what platform you developing on | 06:09 |
| crashanddie | nbdarvin: programming for Maemo isn't very different from desktop programming | 06:09 |
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| Texrat | there are great tutorials at maemo.org | 06:10 |
| Texrat | I'm hoping to get starte don Qt/Python soon too | 06:10 |
| Texrat | started on* | 06:10 |
| crashanddie | nbdarvin: you just need to pay attention to the UI being used by fingers/stylus, not a mouse, and how to access/use specific devices (LEDs, GPS, accelerometer) | 06:10 |
| crashanddie | nbdarvin: but all the concepts laid down by Linux, such as file access, network, threading is exactly the same (and mostly taken care of by python/Qt anyway) | 06:11 |
| Texrat | and remember your IF_DEFs! lol | 06:11 |
| crashanddie | Texrat: what's new mate? | 06:11 |
| Texrat | crashanddie not a damn thing | 06:11 |
| Texrat | but I'm looking | 06:11 |
| Texrat | just wrapped up some SQL coding | 06:11 |
| Texrat | checking in before I go to bed | 06:12 |
| crashanddie | how's your PHP coding skills? | 06:12 |
| Texrat | mine? | 06:12 |
| crashanddie | no, your second cousin twice removed | 06:13 |
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| Texrat | other people on list :p | 06:13 |
| Texrat | anyway zero | 06:13 |
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| Texrat | lately it's been SQL and VB.Net | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | you're right, get yourself on python :P | 06:13 |
| Texrat | used to do javascript but out of practice | 06:13 |
| Texrat | yeah yeah | 06:13 |
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| crashanddie | as much as i hate it, it's better than vb.net | 06:13 |
| Texrat | although I love SQL and VB | 06:14 |
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| Texrat | man I have a blast in VB.Net | 06:14 |
| Texrat | love the syntax | 06:14 |
| Texrat | hey ali1234 | 06:14 |
| ali1234 | hi | 06:14 |
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| ali1234 | my DSL modem crashed :( | 06:14 |
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| Texrat | ouch | 06:15 |
| ali1234 | was talking to myself on another channel for ages | 06:15 |
| Texrat | good company then | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | meh | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | VB's one-line parsing sucks donkey balls | 06:15 |
| Texrat | feh | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | If (blah.value is Nothing) Then | 06:16 |
| Texrat | I just love it for the beauty of the language | 06:16 |
| Texrat | but that's elegant! | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | foo = bar | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | Else | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | Foo == donkeybar | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | End If | 06:16 |
| Texrat | and...? | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | rather than | 06:16 |
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| Texrat | you can also do Select case | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | foo = IIf(blah.value is Nothing, bar, donkeybar) | 06:17 |
| Texrat | case if | 06:17 |
| Texrat | end select | 06:17 |
| Texrat | um dude | 06:17 |
| Texrat | VB.Net has IIf | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | my point exactly | 06:17 |
| Texrat | ??? | 06:17 |
| Texrat | you can use either | 06:17 |
| Texrat | shit you can find 4 or 5 ways to run any logic trap | 06:18 |
| Texrat | anyway I like the look of Python because it reminds me of VB.Net :p | 06:18 |
| Texrat | so easy transition | 06:18 |
| Texrat | <-- lazy coder | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | Python has well defined and well thought logic | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | foo = bar if blah.value else donkeybar | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | ^ python | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | VB is just some dudes at MS going "need to be able to do this, let's add this", "need to be able to do that, let's add that too" | 06:19 |
| Texrat | and Microsoft got SQL right too-- gimme T-SQL any day over PL/SQL | 06:19 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:19 |
| * Texrat ends Microsoft fanboyism | 06:19 | |
| Texrat | I just gravitate to the tool that fits my thinking | 06:20 |
| Texrat | I'm a writer, not a mathematician | 06:20 |
| Texrat | so no C or assembler | 06:20 |
| Texrat | gimme high level shit, please | 06:20 |
| crashanddie | t-sql sucks in many domains, math, string manipulation, date manipulation... but overall, any kind of SQL sucks to be honest. I'm still waiting for the day SQL turns OO. | 06:21 |
| crashanddie | if that's even possible | 06:21 |
| * cehteh gives Texrat some Prolog | 06:21 | |
| Texrat | you know a language that's hard as hell but rewarding? LISP | 06:21 |
| Texrat | lol... I coded in Prolog... and Forth... and Logo... and Lisp | 06:21 |
| ali1234 | crashanddie: active record? | 06:21 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: yeah, I use active record quite a bit | 06:22 |
| hd1 | Texrat: LISP is "hard as hell"?!? Crikey, you're rather dim! | 06:22 |
| cehteh | hehe | 06:22 |
| crashanddie | hd1: he's a writer, not a mathematician | 06:22 |
| Texrat | crashanddie what are you smoking? I should show you the T-SQL stuff I did for Nokia. Magic, man | 06:22 |
| Texrat | hd1 not dim at all, bunky. I taught myself Lisp from AutoCAD examples | 06:23 |
| Texrat | was not easy but I mastered it | 06:23 |
| hd1 | I actually found lisp (the scheme variety) to be a VERY good way to learn programming | 06:23 |
| Texrat | and did shit that our so-called IT staff couldn't touch | 06:23 |
| Texrat | so dim? not hardly | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | Texrat: string, text, binary manipulation is extremely slow in T-SQL. | 06:23 |
| hd1 | then again, I AM daft, so go figure | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | Texrat: seriously | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | hd1: that's right, you are daft :) | 06:24 |
| crashanddie | Texrat: PM | 06:24 |
| hd1 | crashanddie: thank you for agreeing with me, mate | 06:24 |
| crashanddie | any time | 06:24 |
| Texrat | crashanddie there are ways to make T-SQL sing even on computation | 06:24 |
| crashanddie | you shouldn't have to invent ways. SQL is supposed to be a way to access and use data, you shouldn't have to force the tool into achieving what you need at a speed that is usable | 06:25 |
| Texrat | ... | 06:25 |
| Texrat | no forcing, just learnign the ways of the SQL Jedi | 06:25 |
| crashanddie | and I say that regardless of the implementation you support | 06:25 |
| Texrat | at a basic level, SQL looks very coarse... | 06:25 |
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| Texrat | then you start learnign the advanced shit and the afterburners kick on | 06:26 |
| Texrat | I really should send you text of some I did for Nokia :D | 06:26 |
| crashanddie | I can show you use cases where PL/SQL starts scraping the bottom so bad its knees are bleeding -- and I'm talking here in systems that fire off 1M requests to handle 200 basic actions, so not your average web server | 06:26 |
| Texrat | I made that database sing | 06:27 |
| Texrat | actually I'm not as impressed with PL/SQL. Too crude | 06:27 |
| Texrat | That's what I work with now and I miss SQL Server. Oracle is psycho | 06:27 |
| crashanddie | stop being a wussy :P | 06:27 |
| Texrat | lol | 06:28 |
| Texrat | make me | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | Thing is, Oracle is a beast, I'll agree on that | 06:28 |
| * hd1 used to work for Oracle. | 06:29 | |
| crashanddie | Reminds me of the tale of the interview | 06:29 |
| Texrat | I'll never forgive Oracle for leaving out the bitwise (binary) datatype | 06:29 |
| Texrat | I mean wtf | 06:29 |
| crashanddie | guy sends a resume to Sybase, gets a phone interview | 06:29 |
| crashanddie | interviewer asks "So why did you apply for a job with us? And not Google, Oracle, Microsoft?" | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | guy replies: "I couldn't find the apply link on Google, never passed second interview with Microsoft" | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | interview: "And Oracle?" | 06:30 |
| hd1 | "Do you seriously think I haven't applied to the others?" | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | guy: "I don't want to work for a database company" | 06:30 |
| hd1 | LOL | 06:30 |
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| Texrat | rofl | 06:30 |
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| ptl | I'd never confess not being able to find a link and not passing a second interview | 06:42 |
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| crashanddie | ptl: I've seen emails shooting through between competitors to warn about specific individuals applying for specific jobs | 06:43 |
| ptl | might be rare cases | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | and yeah, we've had warnings about those kind of idiots | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | or simply "he's going to con and waste your time" | 06:44 |
| ptl | hmmm | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | you know, fall from the stairs on his first day, slam finger in door, sue for inappropriate workplace safety | 06:44 |
| ptl | oh, I get it. | 06:45 |
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| silverbullet | hello rooom | 07:13 |
| silverbullet | ppl there ? | 07:13 |
| silverbullet | have a question | 07:13 |
| hd1 | silverbullet: ask it, people review | 07:16 |
| LiraNuna | where can I find includes/libs for maemo5? | 07:17 |
| LiraNuna | similar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel | 07:17 |
| silverbullet | how can i download firefox for n900 on my desktop ? | 07:17 |
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| sulx | go to http://firefox.com/m with your device | 07:20 |
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| LiraNuna | I don't think he wants it on his device | 07:21 |
| LiraNuna | 'on my desktop' | 07:21 |
| sulx | oh right | 07:21 |
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| sulx | tho n900 has many desktops...:P | 07:21 |
| sulx | well not really... | 07:22 |
| LiraNuna | hehe, I know, but I still don't think that's what he meant | 07:22 |
| silverbullet | yea i know that | 07:22 |
| silverbullet | i said i wanna download it to my laptop . sorry for confusion | 07:22 |
| LiraNuna | where can I find includes/libs for maemo5? similar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel | 07:22 |
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| LiraNuna | how do I enable TV out? | 07:41 |
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| silverbullet | no first answer my question :p | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: maybe | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer51: did you ever ask the ofono/isimodem guys? | 07:47 |
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| hd1 | anyone have examples of XSLT using the QtXmlPatterns module? | 08:06 |
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| ShadowJK | 64 bytes from terminus (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx): icmp_seq=31145 ttl=56 time=603934 ms | 08:11 |
| ShadowJK | Some days, my operator... | 08:11 |
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| MiXu- | :D | 08:14 |
| hd1 | lol, that's one hop away from you, ShadowJK? | 08:15 |
| LiraNuna | anyone cares about GCC 4.4.3 targeting N900? | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | you | 08:16 |
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| ShadowJK | hd1, no it's 10 hops or so normally | 08:16 |
| LiraNuna | I already built it, I'm asking if someone is interested in how to build it | 08:16 |
| ShadowJK | hd1, but I think I get the same from things 1 hop away too.. | 08:16 |
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| hd1 | hd1: that's pathetic | 08:17 |
| ShadowJK | I think they're routing my packets via MARS | 08:17 |
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| hd1 | ShadowJK: that's pathetic | 08:18 |
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| crashanddie | hd1: actually, if his packets are being rerouted through Mars, that'd be pretty fucking cool :) | 08:24 |
| ShadowJK | those that get through fail checksum so often they might very well be going via mars.. | 08:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer51: fwiw, we know cell handover sucks, however the cell people claimed it was more of an app | 08:54 |
| timeless_mbp | problem than a lower level problem | 08:54 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g. they complained to the browser team | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | i told them they were idiots/crazy | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and proceded to ignore them | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | what happened now | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | ? :P | 08:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | ptl: you discovered that launchpad's ui sucks, welcome to the club :) | 09:04 |
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| rmrfchik | what's new in maemo today? | 09:16 |
| thresh | you whining again? ;) | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | rmrfchik: TSG meeting yesterday in meego, go read minutes | 09:17 |
| njsf_ | Stskeeps: got a link ? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | njsf_: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html | 09:19 |
| njsf_ | Stskeeps: tnx | 09:20 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: ping | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | pong | 09:30 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: I'm using your hildon-theme-example -file to build themes and now after upgrading my SDK to 1.2 I'm not able to build debs anymore. I'm getting this error: ERROR: Failed to open "/usr/share/hildon-theme-layout-5//gtkrc.input_method" rc file. | 09:31 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: any idea how can I fix it? | 09:31 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: it has propably something to do with new hildon-theme-layout-5 in PR1.2 | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes, hang on | 09:31 |
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| D-Iivil | :P | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | just have to pull down updates to it | 09:32 |
| D-Iivil | I have to or you have to? | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | i do | 09:37 |
| silverbullet | hey all ... i asked this question an hour ago maybe .. i want to download firefox for n900, but lets say my n900 irght now cannot conncet to internet, so i want to download the install file of ff-for-n900 on my laptop and transfer to n900 and install .. can it be done ? where can i find that file, url ? thanks | 09:37 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: something simple to change that I can do myself? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 09:38 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: okay, then I'll wait and maybe do some real work for awhile :D | 09:44 |
| iPeter- | silverbullet: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/ | Maybe thats it? | 09:44 |
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| silverbullet | iPeter, this will require the internet to be present to download the rest of the installation medium. ... I 'm looking for a full offline installer | 09:45 |
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| iPeter- | by the way, if you got a laptop and a wifi on it, you maybe can turn your laptop to a wifi station (share laptops network) | 09:46 |
| iPeter- | silverbullet: | 09:46 |
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| silverbullet | hmm | 09:47 |
| iPeter- | Gotta go to school. silverbullet: Atleast i can do it with my EEE 901 PC. I hope youll get it. | 09:47 |
| silverbullet | eee / | 09:47 |
| silverbullet | ? | 09:47 |
| iPeter- | asus eee 901 | 09:48 |
| silverbullet | ok | 09:48 |
| silverbullet | thanks I will try | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | D-Iivil: http://gitorious.org/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/hildon-theme-example-stskeeps/commits/master | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | download new tar.gz, look at the new template.png and see what you need to update in your theme | 09:48 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: million thanks dude! | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | D-Iivil: please let the other themers know | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | and test it first | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:49 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: yeah, I'll spread the word if someone asks :) | 09:49 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: anything else changed with the template than just removed some stuff (vkeyboard)? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, you'll have to take a look | 09:51 |
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| D-Iivil | Okay.. I'll throw it on top of some of my templates and see if there's any difference. | 09:51 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: nothing seems to be changes or removed from template. Which is good :) | 09:52 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: I'll try to build up a theme and inform you if there's something wrong with it :) | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | you probably can't test that easily without a PR1.2 device but hmm :) | 09:55 |
| D-Iivil | I will try it anyway :D | 09:55 |
| D-Iivil | And I do have my scratchbox also set up with 1.2 | 09:56 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: starts to build just fine. | 10:00 |
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| D-Iivil | Build was successfull. | 10:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey, about that silent on time event scheduler... | 10:04 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: installs fine on PR1.2 scratchbox. Now let me try on real device :P | 10:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | is it possible for it to recognize calendar meetings and auto enter/exit silent mode? | 10:05 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: hmm.. something wrong with the template.png -file. Builder creates some "emailwidget" files under /theme-directory but they are messed up. | 10:07 |
| D-Iivil | I suppose there is some e-mailwidget coming? | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | ds3: there's a commercial mapping product for 60 CUR, it looks pretty good, you might consider it | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | did you update your hildon-theme-layout-5 to 0.15, D-Iivil? | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | the price isn't really that high all things considered | 10:07 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: I've ran apt-get update / upgrade and it won't find anything to upgrade if I do it again, so I suppose yes. | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | D-Iivil: check with the bare template first? | 10:08 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: yes, that's what I'm talking about. | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | aep: get droid fonts, it's in extras-something | 10:08 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: the bare template has Application installer graphic where should propably be e-mail widget stuff. | 10:08 |
| timeless_mbp | there's probably also instructions for setting it up for use w/ the system (if not, lots of people here have the steps) | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | D-Iivil: hmm :P | 10:09 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes ptl about silent,... | 10:09 | |
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| timeless_mbp | GAN900: your n900 doesn't remember http passwords? | 10:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have no problem loggin into an http auth site using my n900's memory of the password | 10:16 |
| timeless_mbp | (good thing too, since i don't know the password…) | 10:16 |
| tybollt | handing my N900 in to the shop today... | 10:16 |
| tybollt | aww poor baby phone :) | 10:16 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: Aaah, the e-mail widget IS on the svg-file. The png-file is old. | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n9001: out of curiosity, can you blame mozilla? the next platform has no SDK | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: are you going through backlog? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:18 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: of fuck.. there's a lot of thigns that has changed in the template :-D No more updating old themes for me :-D | 10:18 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Good corporate skills there... shifting the blame++ | 10:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | openstandards: yes, nokia knows that the n900 calendar isn't perfect. it was a first draft | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | the previous apps didn't have a calendar at all and people complained, but there's only so much dev time avail | 10:19 |
| timeless_mbp | openstandards: which enterprise features do you want? | 10:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | (calendar in 1.2 can (tenatively or not) accept/reject meeting requests... | 10:20 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: for 1.2 the virtual keyboard was completely redone, so :) | 10:21 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: meh, we are users - we are obliged to complain... :) | 10:21 |
| timeless_mbp | silverbullet: so, in theory you set up proxies in settings>network | 10:25 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're an English speaker and want a better translation, I have one.. | 10:25 |
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| * timeless_mbp notes for the record that DigitalPioneer is an idiot wrt $env's being used by any sane browser | 10:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, cehteh's right, windows 7 (and much older) has internet connection sharing, you shouldn't need a proxy | 10:27 |
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| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: for some reason the new virtualkeyboard-buttons from template aren't used. At least not in scratchbox. Instead it uses old stylus-buttons in v-keyboard. | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | silverbullet: the .install file is just information for application manager | 10:32 |
| timeless_mbp | copying that file does you no good | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | D-Iivil: probably not a updated version of the example | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | application manager is a front end to apt, which processes dependencies to decide what to download | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | if you want to actually download the files, the "proper" way to do it would be to: | 10:33 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: you mean the scratchbox? | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. install "apt" somewhere | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. copy your dpkg database from your n900 | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. setup a proper apt config file | 10:33 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: yeah, probably that's the situation. | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. use apt-get install —download-only package_name | 10:33 |
| timeless_mbp | 99.999% of people wouldn't ever do that | 10:34 |
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| * D-Iivil is trying to install the "new" the on to PR 1.11 device. Flasher is ready if something goes wrong :P | 10:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | (i suspect fewer than 10 people in the whole world) | 10:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: pong ;-) | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: *bows* | 10:35 |
| timeless_mbp | hello world | 10:35 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: works like a charm in 1.11 device. | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | ### TIMELESS BOOTSTRAP COMPLETE? | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 10:36 |
| timeless_mbp | time for me to go away for 2 weeks :) | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a vacation at the moment either | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | taking some days in the mountains at easter | 10:37 |
| timeless_mbp | not a vacation, i'm just changing scenery | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll be working from stockholm for the next two weeks | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't expect to do as much irc'ing there. i wonder if i can get my laptop locked up at work... | 10:38 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i'd probably like that | 10:38 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Jaja, mine on herra, jajaja :P | 10:39 |
| tybollt | (or why you bowing :) | 10:39 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: Well have fun, if you need tips on good bars do send me an email :) | 10:40 |
| D-Iivil | Stskeeps: hmm... wait.. now my PR1.11 device is using also stylus-buttons for virtual keyboard instead of the old ones nor the new ones. | 10:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: you applauded my blame shifting | 11:00 |
| tybollt | ah that :) | 11:00 |
| tybollt | yes | 11:00 |
| tybollt | that I do indeed :) | 11:00 |
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| * timeless_mbp frowns | 11:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | does the n900 address book not support <middle name>? | 11:17 |
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| Sockt | hello | 11:20 |
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| Sockt | is there a bug that will prevent any appl installtion to take effect ? | 11:22 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: the contacts feature in n900 has some other shortcomings too...like grouping of contacts, but I guess these will be addressed eventually | 11:22 |
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| joga | Sockt: do you get some error message? | 11:22 |
| Sockt | no | 11:22 |
| Sockt | i install says complete , but no new stuff to be found | 11:23 |
| joga | what did you install? does it even have an icon? | 11:23 |
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| joga | (ie. if it's command line software it may not appear in the menu) | 11:24 |
| Sockt | cpu and mem status bar | 11:24 |
| nidO | have you looked in your status bar? | 11:24 |
| joga | oh, ok, but isn't that visible up there? | 11:24 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 11:24 | |
| Sockt | i uninistall it and re-do it , now it dont work | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | its merge algorithm sucks | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | i edited a contact on my n900 and in OWA and the last edit won | 11:24 |
| Sockt | after that any appl , will not take effect | 11:24 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: what do you mean 'grouping contacts'? | 11:25 |
| joga | timeless_mbp: being able to have like "friends", "work", "relatives" or such. it's bothersome to swipe through 300 contacts | 11:25 |
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| joga | and in landscape mode it lacks the letter markers to jump to a certain spot | 11:26 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:29 |
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| pupnik | muu | 11:33 |
| pupnik | finally it gets warmer | 11:33 |
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| D-Iivil | WTF! Suddenly enabling extras-devel app catalogue takes ~34 megs of rootfs o_O | 11:35 |
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| D-Iivil | It used to be around 15-20 megs. | 11:35 |
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| gouverneur | D-Iivil: that apt is still using / is some way of anoying... | 11:36 |
| pupnik | it is anybody try symlinking to /opt yet? | 11:36 |
| pupnik | it is. anybody here try symlinking to /opt yet? | 11:37 |
| gouverneur | if I move themes to opt with proper symlinking it screws with the default theme after a reboot | 11:37 |
| gouverneur | dont wnat to know what it does with apt cache | 11:37 |
| pupnik | i could use a 2nd device :P | 11:38 |
| gouverneur | then try! I found/pimped a script so far but reverted all changes | 11:39 |
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| gouverneur | maybe you have to do it via bind mount like for python | 11:39 |
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| D-Iivil | gouverneur: yeah.. it's annoying, but I'm wondering why it's suddenly so BIG. | 11:40 |
| fcrozat | dependency on qt4.7 ? | 11:40 |
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| gouverneur | D-Iivil: growing repo = growing repo list | 11:41 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: yeah, but over night from 20 to 34 megs | 11:41 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: in landscape, open the keyboard and press a key :) | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (or two, or three!) | 11:41 |
| gouverneur | D-Iivil: I try wait a mom | 11:41 |
| timeless_mbp | as for contact groups, you have 4 home screens, you can make each into a contact group ;-) | 11:42 |
| gouverneur | D-Iivil: 58 - 41 != 30 | 11:43 |
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| gouverneur | just devel! nothing else! | 11:43 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: ? | 11:44 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: you mean it only took 3 megs of your rootfs? | 11:44 |
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| joga | timeless_mbp: I only have space for a few contacts on the desktops...I have a couple of useful widgets and mostly shortcuts for useful programs :) (my use is 80% computer, 20% phone). I do know about pressing the keys but since there's more space in landscape than portrait, to me it would seem nice if the markers were there if I happen to use it with keyboard tucked in | 11:44 |
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| joga | I'd like to try the 9 desktop thingy though... | 11:44 |
| gouverneur | D-Iivil: math isnt your strongest? 58 - 41 = 17MB | 11:45 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: :-D | 11:45 |
| joga | it would also be useful if the contact shortcuts could me made smaller, now they're so big you can only get a few of them on a desktop unless you stack them or something | 11:45 |
| joga | *could be | 11:45 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: well.. for me it went from 62 megs down to 28 megs after enabling the devel this morning. Disabling the devel repo brought back to 62 megs. | 11:45 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: try to run apt-get update from x-term and see if it makes any difference. | 11:46 |
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| gouverneur | nope 43MB left | 11:47 |
| D-Iivil | weird | 11:47 |
| D-Iivil | Let me try to re-enable the repo and see what happens... | 11:47 |
| D-Iivil | Now it went from 62 to 45 megs. | 11:48 |
| D-Iivil | Really weird :D | 11:48 |
| gouverneur | components are free and non free? | 11:48 |
| D-Iivil | Yeah | 11:48 |
| D-Iivil | So now it took the same 17 megs as it did for you. | 11:49 |
| D-Iivil | So something weird was going on this morning earlier. | 11:49 |
| D-Iivil | But glad it's now as before. | 11:49 |
| gouverneur | and back to 59MB funny everytime I do that / free space grows 1MB | 11:49 |
| D-Iivil | :D | 11:49 |
| D-Iivil | Try if you can reach some more ;) | 11:50 |
| gouverneur | D-Iivil: Themes are 17MB | 11:50 |
| D-Iivil | ? | 11:50 |
| gouverneur | I try to keep it above 50 as the other day the upgrade needed >53MB | 11:50 |
| D-Iivil | X-Fade: ping | 11:51 |
| pupnik | down to 9MB here | 11:51 |
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| gouverneur | D-Iivil: du on '/usr/share/themes' gives me 14.5MB | 11:53 |
| gouverneur | and I have the default two and on additional | 11:53 |
| D-Iivil | gouverneur: aaah.. okay. I thought you tried to say that themes @ extras devel makes the catalogue to take 17 megs :-P | 11:53 |
| gouverneur | s/on/one/ | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | joga: personally, i agree, and i asked them to include them | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly the ui designers reused | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | s/reused/refused/ | 11:54 |
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| gouverneur | nope but that there is no themes category pisses me off by now | 11:54 |
| nidO | that is a rather glaring omission | 11:55 |
| pupnik | it is nice we no longer have every uncautious developer creating a new category | 11:56 |
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| joga | heh...found a little bug in vgba, it can't handle filenames with spaces | 11:56 |
| gouverneur | sure! but having them all over the place with themes doesnt help | 11:56 |
| hrw | hi | 11:57 |
| gouverneur | hrw: fish | 11:57 |
| gouverneur | hi... | 11:57 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil: pong | 11:57 |
| D-Iivil | X-Fade: Something is holding the devel queue again. | 11:58 |
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| pupnik | filenames with spaces are like dogs with pants | 11:59 |
| gouverneur | pupnik: I am waiting for the filesystem doing space underscore replacement itself | 11:59 |
| hrw | gouverneur: write fusefs for it | 12:00 |
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| hrw | I would not be surprised if there is such one already | 12:00 |
| gouverneur | hrw: correcting... I wait for a usable fs | 12:01 |
| mgedmin | is that like waiting for Godot? | 12:01 |
| hrw | mgedmin: or fixed maemo5 calendar | 12:02 |
| hrw | ;D | 12:02 |
| tybollt | mgedmin++ | 12:03 |
| gouverneur | hurd | 12:03 |
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| pupnik | got to go garden. save battery | 12:09 |
| pupnik | ttyl | 12:09 |
| lcuk | morning maemo \o | 12:10 |
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| * Noobmonk3y waves | 12:12 | |
| lcuk | hiya Noobmonk3y | 12:13 |
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| Noobmonk3y | woop wooop, mornin! | 12:13 |
| tybollt | s/wooooop/woot( | 12:14 |
| * Noobmonk3y is in a budget meeting...... seriously boring..... | 12:14 | |
| tybollt | / | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Noobmonk3y: bullshit bingo time | 12:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | oooooo good idea...... | 12:14 |
| tybollt | when budget meeting goes boring you should slam your fist in the desk and holler "iPHONES FOR EVERYONE!" | 12:15 |
| lcuk | guards - remove tybollt and have him thrown to the hungry geese | 12:15 |
| tybollt | :) | 12:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol tybollt !!! | 12:16 |
| tybollt | awww | 12:16 |
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| D-Iivil | Damn headache and no painkillers. | 12:16 |
| nidO | its the nhs though, theyd probably pay about 5 grand each for them so only get one | 12:16 |
| cityLights2 | hi all , can anyone help me with dbus-scripts | 12:17 |
| cityLights2 | I just dont get it , and it doesnt work for me | 12:17 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil: Everything there now? | 12:17 |
| cityLights2 | I spent time and tried putting * everywhere | 12:17 |
| cityLights2 | I want to run script when connected to gprs | 12:18 |
| lcuk | mornin X-Fade \o | 12:18 |
| cityLights2 | I put: script * * com.nokia.icd status_changed * * * | 12:18 |
| cityLights2 | it still doesnt work | 12:19 |
| cityLights2 | luck: hi | 12:19 |
| X-Fade | hi lcuk, everything ok? | 12:19 |
| D-Iivil | X-Fade: yes, everything there now. Thanks. | 12:19 |
| lcuk | yeah X-Fade hectic as usual | 12:20 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil: Somebody managed to upload a file with 000 rights. Nice. | 12:20 |
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| D-Iivil | X-Fade: how could that be possible? | 12:23 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil: Broken Windows client probably. | 12:24 |
| nidO | stupid tmo users are stupid :< | 12:25 |
| * Noobmonk3y has a full line already...... | 12:25 | |
| D-Iivil | X-Fade: shouldn't those be automaticly chmoded with correct rights after the upload? | 12:25 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil: Yes, but your client does that. | 12:26 |
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| D-Iivil | X-Fade: Aaah, okay. | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil: I've now implemented a check, so it can't happen again. | 12:26 |
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| * lcuk tries to unbreak his internet with kung fu | 12:30 | |
| tybollt | lcuk: you feeble mortal... get chuckc norris to do it for you or FAIL | 12:31 |
| tybollt | chuck, too | 12:31 |
| lcuk | tybollt, i tried that but chuck is sat in the corner weeping | 12:31 |
| cityLights2 | all that I did wront is follow the advice and used reload. out of desperation I run stop then start - and now it WORKS | 12:31 |
| tybollt | lcuk: must be some fucked up intarwebz you have there =) | 12:32 |
| lcuk | tybollt, nahh just lag caused by downloading | 12:33 |
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| Noobmonk3y | vme stands up and shouts...... BULLSHIT BINGO!!!!!!!!! | 12:35 |
| hrw | itnernet... using webchat for irc just because of port blocking suxx | 12:36 |
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| * Noobmonk3y blinks....... nicotene shortage...... aghhhhhhhhh | 12:55 | |
| nidO | prime example of the good work being done by the nhs! | 12:58 |
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| * Noobmonk3y works for the nhs | 12:59 | |
| tybollt | nhs? | 13:00 |
| tybollt | homeland security? | 13:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | national health service | 13:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | si ilar to what obama just voted in | 13:00 |
| tybollt | heh | 13:00 |
| lcuk | good good Noobmonk3y | 13:00 |
| lcuk | when i kill you you can get fixed :) | 13:00 |
| nidO | similar to what obama voted in? | 13:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha. in it.... so i can fix your pc... just not you | 13:01 |
| nidO | all he got was, like, mandatory insurance for all, no? | 13:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | didnt he pass a healthcare reform? | 13:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | healthcare for all | 13:01 |
| nidO | still via insurance though, afaik the govt just now also offers cheap insurance available to everyone basically | 13:02 |
| nidO | healthcare structure's still entirely private though | 13:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol...... step in the right way | 13:02 |
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| * Noobmonk3y would get paid more in priv sector...... | 13:03 | |
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| nidO | ah and its not even gone through yet, turns out some people found faults in the bill | 13:03 |
| nidO | so it has to be amended and re-voted | 13:03 |
| ebzzry | Hi! Are the docs containing information on how to "convert" an arm deb to an armel one? | 13:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 13:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | hi ebzzry are the docs what? | 13:04 |
| nidO | america really knows how to shoot itself in the foot. | 13:04 |
| ebzzry | s/the/there | 13:04 |
| nidO | and the face | 13:04 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ~Shoot america in the face | 13:06 |
| lcuk | :S | 13:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | infobot is american? | 13:07 |
| lcuk | as a healthcare dude you know thats a messy thing | 13:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | darn | 13:07 |
| nidO | use a .22 | 13:07 |
| nidO | no mess the other side | 13:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 13:07 |
| lcuk | pop | 13:07 |
| ebzzry | So, are there any docs that has those information? | 13:07 |
| * Noobmonk3y gets a spud gun | 13:07 | |
| ebzzry | s/docs/doc | 13:07 |
| lcuk | i think theres more stopping power in a peashooter than most .22 rifles | 13:07 |
| tekonivel | can anyone think of a method to record fm-radio with N900? | 13:07 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmm gstreamer tools | 13:08 |
| lcuk | ebzzry, usually the simplest is to rebuild using the correct toolchain | 13:08 |
| * Noobmonk3y will brb | 13:09 | |
| ebzzry | lcuk: Please, educate me more. Where should I start to be able to do all those things? | 13:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: stay away of gstreamer | 13:09 |
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| Noobmonk3y | dangerous? | 13:10 |
| lcuk | ebzzry, there is no way i could teach you in a day, and im very busy also, goto maemo.org - click development and get reading. if you have source code (from debian for instance) it may just recompile happily in scratchbox, but likely you will need to make porting changes | 13:10 |
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| bilboed-pi | Shapeshifter, you might have a point... you're just really bad at giving it | 13:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: gstreamer seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work. It's extremely unpractical and stuff just doesn't really work except if you get it exactly right which is near to impossible because the docs are abysmal. | 13:12 |
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| bilboed-pi | Shapeshifter, I guess that's why Nokia chose it | 13:12 |
| bilboed-pi | oh, and Amazon for the kindle | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I heard ffmpeg is much nicer, but I never developed anything using it as I was stuck with gstreamer at that point. | 13:13 |
| frals | awesome, youtube downz | 13:13 |
| thresh | yeah | 13:13 |
| mece | youtube down?? | 13:13 |
| mece | wow | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | it isnt here. | 13:13 |
| frals | it is from .se anyway | 13:13 |
| thresh | same from .ru | 13:14 |
| frals | getting 500 internal server error and apache error page | 13:14 |
| stonda | .fi also | 13:14 |
| cityLights2 | I am so happy I got openvpn to work that I published a howto in the talk.meamo | 13:14 |
| mece | "It's not just you! http://youtube.com looks down from here." | 13:14 |
| mece | I don't remember youtube ever being down.. in the last years at least. | 13:15 |
| cityLights2 | Shapeshifter: did you leave any documentation of your own on how to work with gstreamer? | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights2: not much, but my source is fairly well documented. though it's not working atm xD | 13:15 |
| cityLights2 | youtube is Http/1.1 Service Unavailable | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | switzerland still has youtube ;) | 13:17 |
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| mece | switzerland cheats! | 13:17 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, moo | 13:18 |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: Thanks, that was the kind of education that I needed. | 13:37 |
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| lcuk | ebzzry, sorry there isnt a magic wand. good luck getting started people around here are generally helpful if you are trying to help yourself so ask questions after researching | 13:39 |
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| * satmd agrees with lcuk | 13:39 | |
| satmd | there's no shortcut to development | 13:40 |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: OK | 13:40 |
| ebzzry | satmd: OK | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | ebzzry, what is it you are trying to use in maemo ? | 13:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: =~ s/unpractical/impractical/ | 13:53 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: hey!, i'm going to stockholm tomorrow... | 13:54 |
| frals | o/ | 13:54 |
| frals | cool | 13:54 |
| frals | (im going to HEL on sunday :D) | 13:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 13:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm going to try to catch up w/ tybollt for lunch downtown tomorrow, think you could join? | 13:55 |
| Shapeshifter | timeless_mbp: thanks | 13:56 |
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| frals | hmm have to check if im expected to do any work tomorrow, but possibly | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | brb | 13:56 |
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| frals | any plans whereabouts and a specific time? | 13:57 |
| cityLights2 | here two packages I miss in N900 logrotate and cups | 13:57 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: ping me with details and ill see if i can make it, would be nice :) | 13:59 |
| pupnik | is there a minimal cups client that doesnt talk to printers directly, but just to a cups server? | 14:00 |
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| pupnik | so it only needs to know a simple prptocol | 14:01 |
| pupnik | protocol | 14:01 |
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| achipa | what's the policy on planet maemo, do we put meego stuff there until we have planet meego, or does that brush too many feathers ? :) | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | no idea :P | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have done meego posts there | 14:07 |
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| tekojo | achipa people will thumb them accordingly | 14:08 |
| tekojo | so does it really matter? | 14:08 |
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| achipa | just don't want to step on a rake, so to speak :) | 14:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekojo's right | 14:10 |
| timeless_mbp | planet maemo already has a way to deal w/ things | 14:10 |
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| * achipa never quite liked thumbs down means 'I dont like this', 'It is unrelated', 'It is bad news' all at the same time | 14:11 | |
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| X-Fade | achipa: What is your maemo tagged feed? | 14:26 |
| achipa | X-Fade: http://achipa.blogspot.com/search/label/maemo | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | achipa: That is no feed. | 14:29 |
| achipa | oops, wrong link, damn clipboard | 14:29 |
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| * achipa slips on a copypaste over N900 VNC banana and asks for a little patience until his 4.5 load clears or his N900 resets, whichever comes first | 14:32 | |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: It is Scsh: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/scsh-0.6 | 14:38 |
| achipa | X-Fade: http://achipa.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/maemo | 14:38 |
| X-Fade | achipa: thanks | 14:38 |
| cityLights2 | pupnik: another issue is backup to desktop | 14:39 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Added. | 14:40 |
| torrancew | hi guys, i'm trying to confirm an issue i'm having on my n900. if anyone feels generous, i've made a post at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=579006 summarizing the problem - involves bash on the n900 | 14:40 |
| cityLights2 | I am just thinking what would be the best incremental backup to maemo | 14:40 |
| achipa | X-Fade: thanks | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Isx there an idiots guide to exporting filesystrems over nfs? (fromthe n900) | 14:40 |
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| tybollt | SpeedEvil: Well, I'm an idiot - I don't have a guide for you though :( | 14:42 |
| achipa | X-Fade: while we are at it, are garage news going to be reactivated (bug #8959) ? Just to know if I should bother making announcements on garage... | 14:44 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8959 Garage news no longer get processed in main/aggregator pages of *.maemo.org | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | achipa: That is basically a case of no time to look at it. | 14:44 |
| Appiah | torrancew: oh , I was gonna write something like that.. | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I should probably start to approve that again :) | 14:45 |
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| achipa | ok, no rush, just checking if it was maybe something trivial... | 14:45 |
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| torrancew | Appiah: i love the software (CLI junky, myself), and can trivially adjust the script, but would rather not, as i'm keeping several computers up to date with rsync, etc | 14:46 |
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| torrancew | and am keeping the script up to date with git | 14:46 |
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| LargePrime | hello | 14:47 |
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| LargePrime | I would like to ask about running maemo on an htc device | 14:48 |
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| cityLights2 | torrancew: hi | 14:49 |
| torrancew | hi, cityLights2 | 14:50 |
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| cityLights2 | torrancew: what is the right way to issue a backup , from the client that has the source or from the backup server? | 14:50 |
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| torrancew | depends on the nature of the data, etc, truly | 14:50 |
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| torrancew | but for the average case, from the client, to the server | 14:51 |
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| cityLights2 | torrancew: I would divide it to two: 1) etc and programs 2) video , music | 14:51 |
| torrancew | the opposite is true if you want to have a 'master' set on a server, and want each client to stay in par, no new content | 14:51 |
| cityLights2 | torrancew: thanks | 14:52 |
| torrancew | cityLights2: not a problem | 14:52 |
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| cityLights2 | I can't get http://www.bartosh.org/files/rdiff-backup_1.0.5-1.maemo1_armel.deb | 15:22 |
| cityLights2 | does anyone have a backup of this file? | 15:23 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Stskeeps: With their winmo 7 decision, I would think that Mozilla is behaving similar to their html5 strategy. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | uhm | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | timeless, you mean | 15:26 |
| * timeless_mbp looks up | 15:26 | |
| timeless_mbp | frals / tybollt: do people walk across tranebergsbron ? | 15:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n9001: how so? | 15:27 |
| dmj726_n9001 | They don't want to lock themselves into bad sdks (no ndk) and closed gardens. | 15:28 |
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| Lynoure | Would there happen to be anyone here who knows how to get some structure into hildonized menus with Qt? (asked on #qt-maemo but maybe this is too easy a question there... no luck googling, though) | 15:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | Lynoure: maybe http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/eb8a68ba-6225-4d84-ba8f-a00e4a05ff6f/Hildon_2_2_UI_Style_Guide.html | 15:30 |
| noobmonk3y | but i'm no expert :P | 15:31 |
| noobmonk3y | or http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras | 15:31 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I would think a firefox port to the iphone wouldn't be a massive technical challenge, but they would likely run into problems with the App store. I can't see the free software community working well at all in the WP7S M$ marketplace. | 15:31 |
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| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: the Figure 24 shows what I'd want, but the .pdf does not explain how to get there | 15:33 |
| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n9001: http://my.opera.com/community/countup/ | 15:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | in the doc? hold on will looky | 15:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and they aren't even running opera locally! | 15:34 |
| auenf | n900 is still taking ages to come to oz... | 15:34 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: uh, yeah, i think so | 15:34 |
| auenf | i might have to take a trip to see the wizard... | 15:34 |
| dmj726_n9001 | that's only 2 days so far | 15:35 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | It takes much longer or approval. | 15:35 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | Perhaps a guess of 2 years is reasonable? | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 15:36 |
| tybollt | opera? | 15:36 |
| tybollt | *headache ensues* | 15:36 |
| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: but actually any way of separating the actions even a little bit (different rows, or something) would be charm. Some apps seem to have that (but have not found the source code for that yet) | 15:36 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: if opera can't get approved for the iPhone store, i don't expect to see Firefox there... | 15:37 |
| tybollt | oh that | 15:37 |
| tybollt | so opera got denied/declined then? | 15:37 |
| jaska | isnt it just opera mini.. which relies on a proxy? | 15:37 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: theres a pedestrian "lane" on the bridge anyway afaik, but im pretty sure theres a metro stop at either side of the bridge so might as well take the metro ;D | 15:37 |
| dmj726_n9001 | Apple would reject it. Mozilla would hate the app store even if approved. | 15:37 |
| tybollt | s/metro/subway/ - really | 15:38 |
| noobmonk3y | Lynoure: Python version here - http://80.248.164.233/PyMaemo/UITutorial/Menus | 15:38 |
| frals | whats the difference? | 15:38 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: i'd be walking | 15:38 |
| tybollt | assuming this is sweden? | 15:38 |
| frals | tybollt: yeah, tuben ;D | 15:38 |
| dmj726_n9001 | Perhaps Opera mini could switch to safari's rendering engine? ;) | 15:39 |
| noobmonk3y | Lynoure: Page 32 onwards with code examples here too - http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/019c2b31-3777-49a0-9257-970d79580756/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification.html | 15:39 |
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| tybollt | frals: :D | 15:40 |
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| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: hmm, could not find any Qt stuff there | 15:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | thought u where looking for hildony stuff? | 15:46 |
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| satmd | did anyone get opensync/syncml/n900 working over usb/bluetooth? | 15:51 |
| tybollt | syncml is basically what ovi contacts/calendar uses right? | 15:51 |
| tybollt | and that is known _not_ to work | 15:51 |
| tybollt | so... | 15:51 |
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| satmd | uhm | 15:52 |
| satmd | it works n900->evolution | 15:52 |
| tybollt | cool, good for you | 15:52 |
| tybollt | Does evolution use syncml? | 15:52 |
| satmd | no, they have a plugin to opensync | 15:52 |
| tybollt | uhuh | 15:53 |
| * satmd wants to document things | 15:53 | |
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| satmd | but when I change any of the contacts in evolution, it doesn't sync back to the n900 | 15:53 |
| satmd | my guess was a bug with the sync plugin | 15:53 |
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| * satmd is planning to document all of this | 15:53 | |
| satmd | I hoped for someone sharing experience | 15:54 |
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| rmrfchik | hmm.. I've combined 2 contacts by mistake. They contains IM entries. Now I want to separate them. It easy to copy-paste phone entries, but when I want to delete IM entries, maemo deletes them on server too | 15:55 |
| rmrfchik | what's the right way? | 15:55 |
| bleader | hey guys, is it possible to get offline maps on n900 ? I'll be abroad for a while and would like to use gps without using roaming :) | 15:55 |
| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: I might be confused, but I think hildonized applies to the GUI looks, whether in GTK or Qt | 15:56 |
| Lynoure | noobmonk3y: at least the end result looks the same. | 15:56 |
| Lynoure | (and I did mention Qt in beginning, but two letter words hide easily) | 15:56 |
| satmd | bleeter: yes, w.m.o has a howto to this | 15:56 |
| satmd | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872 | 15:57 |
| bleader | oh, missed it | 15:57 |
| bleader | thanks satmd | 15:57 |
| nidO | searches still need a net connection tho | 15:58 |
| bleader | should be sufficient to naviguate around | 15:58 |
| satmd | but only for assisted gps | 15:59 |
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| lcuk | do they need a real net connectino, or the presence of something to try and lookup - i appeared to have success using my adhoc network | 16:00 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: http://tinyurl.com/yd5vagf there's totally like people on it | 16:03 |
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| rmrfchik | damn... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5480 | 16:05 |
| povbot | Bug 5480: undo/un-merge merged contacts | 16:05 |
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| * frals likes SDK for PR1.2: cat /etc/operator_settings|grep MMS | 16:06 | |
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| X-Fade | frals: Works on device too. | 16:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: i'm trying to figure out where a ped can get off the bridge on the west side | 16:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, got it | 16:10 |
| ptl | the Nexus One resolution is not 480x800 as announced... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/secrets-of-the-nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars/ | 16:10 |
| frals | X-Fade: :) I assumed as much | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | http://maps.google.fi/maps?q=tranebergsbron,+stockholm&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Tranebergsbron,+Stockholm,+Stockholms+L%C3%A4n,+Sweden&t=h&layer=c&cbll=59.333441,17.991118&panoid=AexrXXaDNLx47NVfdipynQ&cbp=12,225.78,,0,5&hl=en&ll=59.333485,17.9914&spn=0.007355,0.018883&z=16 | 16:12 |
| zaheerm | ptl, yah i read that..interesting read | 16:12 |
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| Anpr | hello i have a question. I'm trying to uptade my n900's software, but it keeps saying not enough memory in target location | 16:17 |
| Anpr | any clues why ? | 16:17 |
| Arkenklo | I've got two identical directories with identical names. That shouldn't be possible. | 16:18 |
| Anpr | uhm ? | 16:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | Anpr: it's a faq, covered in the wiki | 16:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you could try to find the wiki | 16:19 |
| nidO | and about a thousand times on the forum | 16:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | Arkenklo: are they special folders? | 16:19 |
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| Arkenklo | timeless_mbp: how would I determine that? | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenklo: if they have a special icon, they're special | 16:20 |
| pupnik | wow backlight died for some reason. typing only on transflective now | 16:20 |
| Arkenklo | I'm talking console here | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you didn't create them, they're special | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | what file system? | 16:21 |
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| Anpr | oh | 16:21 |
| Anpr | okay i will try to find it on wiki | 16:21 |
| Arkenklo | that would be fat, it's in MyDocs | 16:21 |
| pupnik | timeless_mbp: can you ask some smart guy how to disable backlight? | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | does it have magic characters? | 16:21 |
| timeless_mbp | pupnik: i thought the advancedbacklight people would know | 16:21 |
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| Arkenklo | if there are any, they don't show | 16:21 |
| pupnik | my low cpu use podcast player is so much more battery saving | 16:22 |
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| hrw | morgen | 16:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | Arkenklo: is this using 'ls' or what? | 16:24 |
| dneary_ | 305 valid votes in the Maemo election | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary_: election over already? | 16:25 |
| dneary_ | We just went past the number of votes in the last election | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | frals: No need for fAPN for fMMS users anymore, then? | 16:25 |
| dneary_ | timeless_mbp, no | 16:25 |
| timeless_mbp | how many eligible voters? | 16:25 |
| alterego | I didn't vote last time :) | 16:25 |
| Arkenklo | timeless_mbp: anything, ls -l shows two identical directories, tab-complete only gives me a single option | 16:25 |
| dneary_ | timeless_mbp, 3484 | 16:25 |
| noobmonk3y | OOO DID I MISS SOMETHING? | 16:26 |
| noobmonk3y | and forget to turn caps off | 16:26 |
| timeless_mbp | dneary_: 9% ? | 16:26 |
| dneary_ | timeless_mbp, Last election, we have just over 300 voters, with an electorate of 2339 | 16:26 |
| noobmonk3y | no need for fmms? | 16:26 |
| dneary_ | So ~13% | 16:26 |
| dneary_ | timeless_mbp, This is the expected participation rate in online communities where people create accounts and then drop away from the community | 16:27 |
| dneary_ | We have no requirement for recent activity, no way to "clean out" old accounts, so... | 16:27 |
| dneary_ | Yeah, 9% after 2 days is good | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | karma doesn't go away, right? | 16:27 |
| timeless_mbp | in theory you can clean out the electorate by aging karma | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Or using last login value ;) | 16:28 |
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| zaheerm | well, 598 users on irc now in this channel | 16:29 |
| zaheerm | so you'd expect > 305 votes in total | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | zaheerm: week is not over yet. | 16:30 |
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| zaheerm | yep true | 16:30 |
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| Anpr | guys, how to access root in xterminal ? | 16:32 |
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| Anpr | i want to do apt-get autoremove but i does not allow me to | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | ~rootsh | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no bot? | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Anpr: install rootsh | 16:33 |
| Anpr | i think i got it | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | After that you can get root by just typing root. | 16:34 |
| Anpr | just not sure how to enable it | 16:34 |
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| Anpr | okay, it works now | 16:34 |
| Anpr | X-Fade but it didn't help me to get more free space in rootfs | 16:36 |
| Anpr | i tried apt-get clean and autoremove | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | Anpr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space | 16:37 |
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| Anpr | X-Fade i did first 2 | 16:38 |
| Anpr | no effect | 16:38 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, as far as I can tell. | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | context? | 16:40 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, at least for the Indigo software I'm trying to connect to no the G5 | 16:40 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, http password recall | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: hrm | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it's worked for me for ages | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | but my two n900s here are running gecko 1.9.2 | 16:41 |
| GAN900 | Might clean flash to PR1.2 and see if that helps. | 16:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd share a database, but that'd be pretty stupid :) | 16:41 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 16:42 |
| mgedmin | what is this PR1.2 you speak of? | 16:42 |
| * timeless_mbp only speaks of gecko 1.9.2 :) | 16:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | GAN900: do you have access to any 'special' bugzillas? | 16:43 |
| cityLights2 | is there a "how to backup your maemo to a desktop" paper anywhere? | 16:43 |
| cityLights2 | for a common user | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | cityLights2, basically, back up to the internal memory using the backup app, then copy the backup file to your desktop over usb | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | might be too short for a paper | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | although these days there are screencasts for everything, so I wouldn't be surprised to find one for this | 16:45 |
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| cityLights2 | where can I see what files the program backs-up? | 16:45 |
| cityLights2 | I googled and dont see a way to have it run automaticly - as most ppl forget it | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | the backups are zip files, you could look inside | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | there's no automatic backup option that I've seen | 16:46 |
| mgedmin | it's a bit too intrusive for that -- closes down all apps, turns off connectivity, IIRC | 16:47 |
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| mgedmin | although maybe not the latter | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | I seem to remember ssh'ing into my N900 while it was making a backup | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | but generally the backup app takes over the whole UI and you can't do that in the background | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | it could be considered a misfeature | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | heck, it is a misfeature, but without it how can you guarantee data consistency? | 16:48 |
| cityLights2 | I agree | 16:49 |
| cityLights2 | given such an option - to run when I sleep, I may sleep much better | 16:49 |
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| cityLights2 | given my N900 holds most of my life | 16:49 |
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| cityLights2 | mgedmin: how can I trigger this offline mode using a script? | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | I've no idea | 16:51 |
| cityLights2 | I can make a backup to the microsd , then get back to online and send it to the desktop | 16:51 |
| mgedmin | I generally make backups manually, then open an xterm and run a shell script that rsyncs it to my home server | 16:52 |
| cityLights2 | all done manually | 16:52 |
| cityLights2 | ? | 16:52 |
| * noobmonk3y thinks manual is the new automatic, a bit like paper being the new computer ;) | 16:52 | |
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| mgedmin | well, I have a second shell script that uses tar to make a backup of some files in my home dir | 16:55 |
| cityLights2 | there must be a place I can see which files are used in the nokia backup proigram | 16:55 |
| lcuk | "i dropped to the console, gained root and killed the rogue process myself" - elvis | 16:55 |
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| mgedmin | like ~/.ashrc and ~/.profile and ~/.ssh and ~/bin and ~/.vim etc. | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | I believe the default Backup app doesn't back those up | 16:55 |
| cityLights2 | maybe I should make a program out of this and be famous | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, no. | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | there are manifest files that tell the backup app what to backup | 16:55 |
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| mgedmin | some 3rd party apps (like gPodder) lack those and thus you lose your podcast subscriptions when you reflash and restore :( | 16:56 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, if it doesnt, then we could do 2 things, create a package that includes a conf for /etc/osso-backup/applications | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | check the files under /etc/osso-backup/ | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: Thatis not true. | 16:56 |
| lcuk | or file bugs against apps that dont | 16:56 |
| mgedmin | X-Fade, oh, did the gPodder bug get fixed? I didn't notice | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: I flash my device a lot and gpodder always restores nicely. | 16:57 |
| * mgedmin filed a bug a while ago | 16:57 | |
| X-Fade | mgedmin: months and months ;) | 16:57 |
| lcuk | i like the idea of backing up ssh | 16:57 |
| lcuk | but isnt that insecure? | 16:57 |
| * mgedmin doesn't remember seeing a bugzilla email saying "bug fixed", but /me has a leaky memory | 16:57 | |
| mgedmin | lcuk, backing up ~/.ssh/id_rsa would be insecure | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | I think I don't do that | 16:57 |
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| mgedmin | oops, I do do that | 16:58 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Unless you use a password to backup and the encryption is strong. | 16:58 |
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| mgedmin | well, at least my private key is protected with a passphrase | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Not sure how strong the backup encryption is. | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | ssh-agent rules | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | I had to jump through ugly hoops to make it run on maemo | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | my ~/.profile has this bit: http://pastie.org/886580 | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | and puts ~/bin early in $PATH and there's a bin/ssh wrapper that calls ssh-add: http://pastie.org/886582 | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | hm, so if ssh-agent has my key unlocked, and somebody steals my phone... oops! | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | I'd better change that ssh-add to set max lifetime to something like 15min | 17:00 |
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| cityLights2 | mgedmin: I like you , you are paranoid as I am | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | laziness trumps my paranoia more often than it should | 17:02 |
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| satmd | the point I'll give up with syncml is at: all but delete n900 -> pc work, all sync pc -> n900 fail with obscure messages, probably internal mismatches because of svn trunk | 17:16 |
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| Anpr | i am trying to do sudo sh /home/user/mydocs/moveroot.sh command | 17:17 |
| satmd | gnokii transport does not build, gpe wasn't an option | 17:17 |
| Anpr | and it requires password | 17:17 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 17:17 | |
| Anpr | where can i find it ? | 17:17 |
| * timeless_mbp misspelled Rome | 17:17 | |
| * timeless_mbp blames Nokia | 17:17 | |
| * timeless_mbp spends too much time w/ cellular phone bills | 17:17 | |
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| gouverneur | Anpr: if you do not know how to get around this you are not supposed to get around this! | 17:19 |
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| Anpr | i just want to bloody update my n900 | 17:20 |
| Anpr | that's it | 17:20 |
| Anpr | and get some help how to do it | 17:20 |
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| Anpr | i tried apt-get clean and autoremove | 17:20 |
| Anpr | done apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade | 17:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | Anpr: you aren't supposed to do 'sudo sh' | 17:21 |
| Anpr | and it stole about 20mb of my rootsh.. | 17:21 |
| timeless_mbp | please read about gainroot | 17:21 |
| johnsu01 | Anpr: one option is to turn off some repositories, do an update, then try again. You can turn them back on afterward. | 17:21 |
| Anpr | okay, how can i run the script ? | 17:21 |
| timeless_mbp | once you're root, *then* you use 'sh' | 17:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | not before | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | and not all at once | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i've updated theme template example | 17:22 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 17:22 | |
| frals | Jaffa: Well, there's still a limit on one GPRS IAP I *think*, but if my ugly "autoconnect" hack works like it should there won't be a need for fAPN for fMMS users anymore :) | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | how do you cure a bug you cannot reproduce | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | btw, my trick to increase GPRS timeouts is absolutely brilliant in the metro | 17:22 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: remote-debug ;-) | 17:22 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: thanks is their a lot of changes to template? | 17:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: whose metro? and is there an app for that? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: it is a gconf setting, and warsaw metro | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | there's no mobile signal between stations | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | so my GPRS connection broke (timed out) in 60 seconds obviously, having to restart connections, tcp connections, etc | 17:24 |
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| Anpr | when i try to write sudo sh /home/user/mydocs/moveroot.sh | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | there's a gconf settng for increasing this timeout | 17:24 |
| torrancew | shameless plug: if someone has the time to confirm that this doesn't work in bash on the n900, i'd be very grateful: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=579006 | 17:24 |
| Anpr | nothing happens | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | torrancew: there's no bash | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's busybox | 17:24 |
| frals | god, id go crazy if i had to take the metro if there wasnt any signal down there | 17:24 |
| torrancew | there is a bash | 17:24 |
| Anpr | if i try without sudo sh, it sais : not found | 17:24 |
| torrancew | it's just not the default | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | frals: i just listen to music and read e-mails | 17:24 |
| torrancew | (perhaps grabbed from a repos, also) | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | meego-dev provides the entertainment usually | 17:24 |
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| Anpr | i've tried to get more free space | 17:25 |
| Anpr | and now i just lost 20mb more | 17:25 |
| Anpr | fucking hell... | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Anpr: have you tried actually *READING* about gainroot? | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, seriously, this is not rocket science | 17:25 |
| Anpr | how can i do this update... fucking hell | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | sudo gainroot | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:25 |
| johnsu01 | Anpr: did you try what I just suggested? | 17:25 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you go typing random commands you will brick your device | 17:25 |
| torrancew | `bash --version` -> GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)... | 17:25 |
| Anpr | i got no experience and nothing about all those commands | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | Nokia-N900-02-8 | 17:26 |
| Anpr | i do what wiki and maemo forums sais | 17:26 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what he did to this poor thing | 17:26 | |
| Anpr | i just asked you to help me | 17:26 |
| Anpr | how can i do and explain | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | this isn't a support channel either, please be patient | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | there's well-willing people here but they require one thing from you: patience. | 17:26 |
| torrancew | fwiw, i think my issue stems from a bug in that version of bash, but am not sure | 17:27 |
| Anpr | i'm patient | 17:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | got irreco working but jeez, its ugly. | 17:27 |
| C-S-B-N900 | needs better ui | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | Anpr: randomly messaging people doesn't qualify as patient | 17:27 |
| torrancew | C-S-B-N900: i agree | 17:27 |
| toggles_w | Anpr: what update are you trying to install? | 17:27 |
| Anpr | i asked 2 times nobody replied, then you said to me go to wiki, that's what i did | 17:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | torrancew: the button are no practical. | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | Anpr: what wiki page did you go to? | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#rootsh | 17:28 |
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| andrewfblack | If someone wants to be my best friend they can rewrite this for US Weight Watchers I'll give you all the information you need. I'll even do a custom theme for you how ever you want it :) | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | has perfectly clear instructions | 17:28 |
| torrancew | though i mainly just wish the ir port was on the 'top' (side with usb connector), and that irreco was a vertical app | 17:28 |
| C-S-B-N900 | *buttons *practical. | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | which i'd hope a child could follow | 17:28 |
| andrewfblack | this = https://garage.maemo.org/projects/act/ | 17:28 |
| Anpr | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Remove_unused_dependencies | 17:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you follow the 'root' links? | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | there are probably a dozen on that page | 17:29 |
| johnsu01 | Anpr: "Simply check the disabled box and save in the Application Manager's catalogues menu. wait for app manger to update the lists. Of course this only helps if you actually had these repositories enabled. " | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | they all link to the same page i'm looking at | 17:29 |
| Anpr | i've done first two clean and autorevome | 17:29 |
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| Anpr | then i did $ mkdir -p /home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache/archives/partial | 17:29 |
| Anpr | and apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade | 17:29 |
| Anpr | and it took 20mb more of my rootsh | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | rootsh is a package | 17:29 |
| timeless_mbp | rootfs is a file system | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | please do NOT confuse them | 17:30 |
| Anpr | okay, so from the file system | 17:30 |
| Anpr | rootfs | 17:30 |
| Anpr | i just want about 50mb free in my rootfs | 17:30 |
| Anpr | to make an update | 17:30 |
| Anpr | that's it | 17:30 |
| hrw | Anpr: move /var/cache/apt /var/lib/apt outside | 17:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Nokia_N900_Maemo_5_Script_to_free_up_space_on_rootfs | 17:31 |
| hrw | Anpr: then /usr/lib/locale /usr/share/locale/ /usr/lib/gstreamer-* | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | has perfectly clear instructions | 17:31 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: you're going to get Anpr's n900 bricked :) | 17:32 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 17:33 | |
| Anpr | timeless it sais create a file containing this script | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | Anpr: yes | 17:33 |
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| Anpr | where should i paste those commands? | 17:33 |
| timeless_mbp | cat > ~/move-to-opt.sh | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | {paste} | 17:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | then hold CTRL and press D | 17:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | but if you don't know enough about unix to do this | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | then you should just FOLLOW THE INSTALLER'S ADVICE | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | and let it reflash your n900 | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | because really, you should never BLINDLY paste commands | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | you're going to get someone killed | 17:34 |
| timeless_mbp | (it could be you, it could be me, but it doesn't matter, getting people killed isn't nice) | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | the instructions from application manager while written in Fingrish aren't so bad | 17:35 |
| Anpr | ok | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | they're basically: | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. CREATE A BACKUP | 17:35 |
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| hrw | did someone tried to use PR1.1.1 with PR1.2 kernel? | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | (you should do this ANYWAY) | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. get a normal computer | 17:35 |
| Anpr | if i have this script but i just don't know how to run it | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. run download the FIASCO image to it | 17:36 |
| Anpr | i got it as moveroot.sh | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | 4. download the flasher (or nokia pc suite's updater) | 17:36 |
| Anpr | in mydocs folder | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | 5. use the updater to reflash | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | 6. Restore your backup | 17:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's incredibly simple | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and so much less frustrating | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | and you might at least learn how to use your desktop computer | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | which might be a goos idea | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | s/goos/good/ | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | (where's that dumb bot!)] | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Anpr: so move it out of mydocs | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and how did you get it in mydocs? | 17:37 |
| Anpr | created folder mydocs in n900 directory and send by bluetooth | 17:37 |
| Anpr | where shall i move it ? | 17:37 |
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| * timeless_mbp is waiting for the day that someone creates moveroot.sh.html using Notes! | 17:37 | |
| timeless_mbp | ~ ! | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but again | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ChinaGrabber-BPhone/ | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | if you don't understand this, then you shouldn't do it | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | just follow my six easy steps | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | then you can get a book about Unix or Linux and read it | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, you can install FBReader later and read it w/ your reflashed n900! :) | 17:38 |
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| Anpr | but why do i need reflash my n900 | 17:38 |
| Anpr | if i just want to run the script ? | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but you clearly don't have a clue | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | which means you're going to brick it anyway | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and you might as well save EVERYONE a lot of hassle | 17:39 |
| torrancew | Anpr: a reflash really is pretty painless | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and just reflash it | 17:39 |
| Anpr | if you help me i would not break it | 17:39 |
| torrancew | if you backup first | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | you would have been done an hour ago | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | and i wouldn't be PISSED at you | 17:39 |
| Anpr | oh, why are you pissed, i'm just asking and willing to get help | 17:40 |
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| Anpr | yes i now, that i have no clue about all those things | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | because you're doing a terrible job of reading perfectly reasonable instructions | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and you don't know a thing about linux | 17:40 |
| Anpr | i'm just every day user who wants to make an update | 17:40 |
| Anpr | that's it | 17:40 |
| hrw | Anpr: sorry, but you are n00b and we do not want you do fuck up your phone doing things you do not understand | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the instructions are for people who do know a thing about linux | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | an EVERY DAY USER SHOULD NOT DO THIS | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | USE THE FLASHER | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | THAT'S WHAT EVERY DAY USERS SHOULD DO | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | IT IS NOT PAINFUL | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | IT DOES NOT HURT | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | IT IS NOT HARD | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | IT DOES NOT TAKE LONG | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | you mean NSU | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 17:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | timeless_mbp: whats he trying to do? | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i think my step 4 listed it under 'nokia pc suite's updater' | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | C-S-B-N900: brick his device | 17:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | lol | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | (and piss me off) | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | not necessarily in that order | 17:42 |
| hrw | PR 1.2 hildon-desktop has status menu in portrait ;) | 17:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrw: yep | 17:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | you can even get it in the browser ;-) | 17:42 |
| C-S-B-N900 | Linux is not hard but mindless windows users should just jump into it. | 17:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | (give it a try) | 17:42 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: I saw code for that in git repo long time ago (before PR1.1) | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | s/windows // | 17:42 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | *shouldnt | 17:42 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: anyway it force me to scroll by using just 2/3 of screen | 17:42 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: oh yeah | 17:43 |
| * andrewfblack was a mindless windows user 2 years ago when he got his N810 and he just jumped in | 17:43 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's a cute feature | 17:43 |
| C-S-B-N900 | tell him to install linux and learn it before trying to mess anbout with an embedded linux device. | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i took a bunch of pictures of it | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't get around to finding/filing a bug | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | C-S-B-N900: please be my guest | 17:43 |
| hrw | timeless_mbp: cute? it is rather 'partially done' ;D | 17:43 |
| hrw | but nice anyway | 17:43 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: when a girl does something incredibly stupid, it's funny | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | this is like that | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it's "cute" | 17:44 |
| hrw | ;) | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | you're amused by how hard she tried | 17:44 |
| ebzzry | Wow. I read my scrollback buffer and realize that some people are really, well, dense. | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | it's cute | 17:44 |
| Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: lol | 17:44 |
| ebzzry | realized* | 17:44 |
| timeless_mbp | with apologies to smart women everywhere | 17:44 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | I actually missed the meat of the convo. | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | however, i will note that my observation is based on a woman who is fairly intelligent, and yet still managed to well ... | 17:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | what was said? | 17:45 |
| timeless_mbp | C-S-B-N900: you could read the channel logs ;-) | 17:45 |
| Anpr | so i need fiasco software ? | 17:45 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: STOP | 17:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | requires scroling up with minute scroll bar. :p | 17:45 |
| ebzzry | Seriously, "sudo sh ... wtf this doesn't work yada yada", wtf. | 17:45 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: what do you want to do what is your running system? | 17:46 |
| Anpr | gouverneur i want to do an update | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | gouverneur: at this point i think it's moderately safe to say that Anpr's system isn't in a safe state anyway and should be rebuilt anyway | 17:46 |
| hrw | Anpr: from which ver to which ver? | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | even if i were given his n900, i'd reflash it | 17:46 |
| timeless_mbp | and i've been known to manually update a number of other nokian's n900's | 17:47 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: update of what? | 17:47 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: your OS answer is missing | 17:47 |
| Anpr | ehm | 17:47 |
| Anpr | im trying to find version | 17:47 |
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| gouverneur | Anpr: your PC's OS! N900 Version is in settings about | 17:48 |
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| Anpr | my pc OS is Vista Ultimate | 17:48 |
| gouverneur | fine you dont need fiasco!!! | 17:48 |
| gouverneur | what do you want to upgrade? | 17:48 |
| nidO | I missed this conversation but it looks humerous | 17:48 |
| Anpr | as timeless said i want to flash my n900 | 17:49 |
| gouverneur | nidO: I am pissed as hell! | 17:49 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: why do you wnat to flash your device? | 17:49 |
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| aSIMULAtor | troll? | 17:49 |
| Anpr | because i can't get enough space in my rootfs | 17:49 |
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| nidO | are the really obvious step-by-step wiki instructions on using flasher that hard? | 17:49 |
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| mikhas | (ssssh, quiet - do not disturb! this screen play is nearing its climax) | 17:49 |
| Anpr | i tried instructions on | 17:49 |
| gouverneur | nidO: its not about flasher! he is running vista | 17:50 |
| Anpr | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Remove_unused_dependencies | 17:50 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: dont listen to others than me by now! | 17:50 |
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| mikhas | he wants to flash his PC using sudo sh on his n900, I think | 17:50 |
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| nidO | unless it's x64, I dont see the problem. you're not suggesting using nsu are you? | 17:50 |
| Anpr | fucking hell | 17:50 |
| Anpr | i wanted to run the script first | 17:51 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: what does about say in your n900's settings? | 17:51 |
| Anpr | but timeless_mbp said there is no point as i'm idiot and i should get my n900 flashed... | 17:51 |
| hrw | I am wondering does nokia maemo team ever read packaging policy | 17:51 |
| Anpr | i just wanted to update my n900 | 17:51 |
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| Anpr | but it said not enough memory in target location | 17:51 |
| hrw | modest depends on unversioned libraries | 17:51 |
| Anpr | i tried that instructions on link i pasted | 17:51 |
| Anpr | but after http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Remove_unused_dependencies | 17:52 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: waht is your current rootfs free space? | 17:52 |
| dneary_ | I just had a thought | 17:52 |
| Anpr | 20mb | 17:52 |
| Anpr | it was 40mb | 17:52 |
| dneary_ | Maemo should have political parties for the council elections | 17:52 |
| Anpr | but after apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade | 17:52 |
| torrancew | Anpr: he may have been a bit blunt, but honestly, a reflash is in some cases easier | 17:52 |
| Anpr | i lost 20mb more... | 17:52 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: which repositories are active at appmanager? | 17:52 |
| aSIMULAtor | timeless is a bug furry kitten he doesn't bite | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 17:52 |
| timeless_mbp | hi aSIMULAtor, how are you? | 17:53 |
| * timeless_mbp is @home sick w/ flu :( | 17:53 | |
| * timeless_mbp goes to make more tea | 17:53 | |
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| aSIMULAtor | i'm good how are you? | 17:53 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i say this is the time for rm -r * | 17:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | well | 17:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | ur sick :( | 17:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, aSIMULAtor: one more thing... | 17:53 |
| dneary_ | Imagine, we could have the UML (Union for Mailing Lists) party against the UFU (Union of Forum Users) party, with the MoDev (Movement of Developers) coming in as the 3rd party | 17:53 |
| aSIMULAtor | aww | 17:53 |
| gouverneur | C-S-B-N900++ | 17:54 |
| dneary_ | Now, who would be in which partyes? | 17:54 |
| nidO | you need an f in there as well | 17:54 |
| Anpr | gouverneur how do i check my repositories which are active.. | 17:54 |
| Anpr | i don't know... | 17:54 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: I was thinking that if the council continued then perhaps we'd see the start of parties and shared platforms in the next election. | 17:54 |
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| brickphone | is way to unbrick without reflash? | 17:55 |
| nidO | its at times like this I have to wonder, just a teeny tiny little bit, if maybe apple are onto a good idea with their device design. | 17:55 |
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| dneary_ | Jaffa, Of course, once we have political parties we'd need schisms, and extremes | 17:55 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: open up the app manager, tap the top menu, tap application catalogs, write here the names of which are not greyed out | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: and perhaps even a website where you could say "I support you, who should I vote for" which'd give (say) 1,2,3 on first request, 2,3,1 on second request and 3,1,2 on third request to try and get their candidates in ;-) | 17:55 |
| hrw | modest: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/modest.launch: undefined symbol: hildon_live_search_new | 17:55 |
| gouverneur | brickphone: nope | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: Did you not read all the "nominations open" thread? ;-) | 17:55 |
| C-S-B-N900 | I wonder if Anpr needs :(){ :|:& };: | 17:55 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, Yes - splitting constituencies would be vitally important | 17:55 |
| hrw | ~curse nokia so called developers for having no idea about packaging | 17:55 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, Not really | 17:55 |
| nidO | anpr needs a reflash then an n900 manual | 17:55 |
| Jaffa | dneary_: We've got schisms between sane people and not-sane people already ;-) | 17:56 |
| * Jaffa decline to comment on who is is in which group ;-) | 17:56 | |
| Jaffa | +s | 17:56 |
| gouverneur | nidO: brickphone needs a reflash | 17:56 |
| lcuk | hrw? | 17:56 |
| brickphone | does re-flash void warrante? | 17:56 |
| lcuk | which versions | 17:56 |
| nidO | no | 17:56 |
| gouverneur | brickphone: nope | 17:56 |
| Jaffa | hrw: however, on the plus side, the user-guide package in PR1.2 has a good .desktop file which includes "Categories=" | 17:56 |
| Anpr | i got in catalogues : Nokia applications, Nokia system software updates, ovi, maemo.org, applications, extras-devel | 17:56 |
| gouverneur | brickphone: how did you brick your phone? | 17:56 |
| nidO | yeah, why did you enable extras-devel? | 17:56 |
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| brickphone | on toilet | 17:57 |
| Anpr | i didn't | 17:57 |
| nidO | yes you did | 17:57 |
| hrw | lcuk: check PR1.2 packages - many of them do not lists package versions for libraries | 17:57 |
| Anpr | or i have no clue how | 17:57 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: tap extras-devel and disable it | 17:57 |
| Anpr | done | 17:57 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: or better delete it | 17:57 |
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| andrewfblack | gouverneur: I would have Anpr just delete it | 17:57 |
| lcuk | hrw build depends versions? | 17:57 |
| nidO | in fact you didnt just enable it, you sat and typed in all the connection info for it.. | 17:57 |
| andrewfblack | lol you beat me to it | 17:57 |
| gouverneur | andrewfblack: right ;) | 17:57 |
| brickphone | it got water but screen still works | 17:58 |
| brickphone | thank-you | 17:58 |
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| hrw | lcuk: built packages | 17:58 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, Did you see that Aldon Hynes wrote a person-by-person report on all the candidates? | 17:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nidO: in fairness he may have used a one click install link. | 17:58 |
| dneary_ | Jaffa, http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/4020 | 17:58 |
| C-S-B-N900 | you know mindless windows users, they click anything without thinking. | 17:58 |
| nidO | I dont think anyone's irresponsible enough to do that with the devel repo | 17:58 |
| Anpr | deleted | 17:58 |
| Anpr | and now ? | 17:58 |
| gouverneur | WTF he drops it in the toilet and thinks its a software issue?! | 17:58 |
| nidO | as in, actually set up an .install file to add the repo | 17:58 |
| lcuk | of course its a software issue | 17:58 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: tap outside the tab | 17:59 |
| lcuk | apt-get uninstall water | 17:59 |
| lcuk | perhaps he has some new poo powered inductive charger | 17:59 |
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| gouverneur | Anpr: it should now reload repository lists and free up at least 17MB of your root fs | 18:00 |
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| Anpr | ok, i am back now to 40mb free space again | 18:00 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: app-manager still open? | 18:00 |
| nidO | uninstall all the -devel applications you added, as well | 18:00 |
| Anpr | gouverneur yes | 18:00 |
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| gouverneur | Anpr: nidO is just right uninstall all apps from devel | 18:01 |
| Anpr | how do i know which onces are from devel ? | 18:01 |
| Anpr | i just deleted that catalogue | 18:01 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: you will find a list of all apps at maemo.org and as long as noone has a better idea you have to do it by hand | 18:01 |
| C-S-B-N900 | if we install ext3 mount sd card, we can remount folders to that cant we? would that not help him save space? | 18:02 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: you do not need the catalogue for that | 18:02 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: wait a second I look it up | 18:02 |
| Anpr | okay | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | dneary_, you're a sick man. | 18:03 |
| dneary_ | GAN900, For the political parties thing? | 18:03 |
| andrewfblack | dneary_: who is Alon Hynes | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, and read those threads. They're wonderful with popcorn. | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, yeah. | 18:03 |
| dneary_ | andrewfblack, Aldon - he's been pretty active on mailing lists recently & on MeeGo lists too | 18:04 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ | 18:04 |
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| andrewfblack | dneary_: ahh that explains why I didn't know the name new job is blocking me from mailing lists I got to find a way around that I just don't want to send mailing list to work email address | 18:04 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: thats for free and the next for nonfree | 18:05 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | has anyone tried reformatting Mydocs partition to ext3. permissions would then hold | 18:05 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/ | 18:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i dont need vfat. | 18:05 |
| GAN900 | le sigh @ aldon's blog | 18:05 |
| Anpr | gouverneur omg it's a very big list | 18:05 |
| * GAN900 needs to stop coming across as anti-end-user. | 18:05 | |
| gouverneur | now have a look at your app-manager and compare the versions if they meet uninstall! if not keep it! | 18:06 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: thats why it is 17MB!!! | 18:06 |
| Anpr | okay | 18:06 |
| nidO | gouverneur there's an easier way to do that. | 18:06 |
| Anpr | and if i reflash my device it will be without all that shit ? | 18:06 |
| nidO | anpr: http://www.maemo.org/downloads | 18:06 |
| Anpr | and capable for update | 18:06 |
| Anpr | ? | 18:06 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: you may write down what you uninstalled and install it from extras (not devel not testing) if available | 18:06 |
| nidO | look through that much smaller list | 18:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | yes | 18:06 |
| nidO | and uninstall everything thats *not* on it | 18:06 |
| C-S-B-N900 | reflash,save your time. | 18:06 |
| gouverneur | Anpr: yes | 18:07 |
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| Anpr | okay, i will try to do flash | 18:07 |
| jo-erlend | if i want to make my n900 a multiuser thing, what would i do to allow and deny phone and 3g usage? | 18:07 |
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| gouverneur | nidO: and what is about software existing in extras and extras-devel? | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hrw: so, i bet modest is technically packaged by a non nokian ;-) | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | isn't the packaging in the open source repository? | 18:07 |
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| GAN900 | Policy is still out of date, isn't it? | 18:08 |
| nidO | looking at the version number that's right after the name isnt hard | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | I don't think it's been updated in forever. | 18:08 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i stil want Mail to move to Office :( | 18:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | dneary_: aldon's writing is interesting, does he have an irc nick? | 18:10 |
| dneary_ | timeless_mbp, Not one that I know :) | 18:10 |
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| andrewfblack | GAN900: your really not as anti end user in person | 18:11 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, I'm not anti-end-user at all | 18:11 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: I know, but you used to come off that way a few years back | 18:12 |
| GAN900 | I just don't believe that ends users are members of the community by default | 18:12 |
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| GAN900 | nor do I believe that maemo.org is particularly well suited to serving end users. | 18:12 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: You going to FLS this year? | 18:12 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, likely. | 18:12 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: going to try and talk Brian into giving some more stuff lol | 18:13 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, I mean, assuming you can get a table. ;) | 18:13 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: Get a table I got it under control | 18:13 |
| GAN900 | Hopefully we can get some MeeGo signage. | 18:13 |
| andrewfblack | I really want to go to SELF again this year but they moved it 3 more hours away from me | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i like the Mer logo better than MeeGo logo :P | 18:14 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: did you ever see the 4 foot poster I made of Mer logo? | 18:15 |
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| Arif_ | moo.. | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: nop? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | photo? | 18:18 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: do we have boot menu for n900? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | hrw: yes we do | 18:18 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: url? | 18:18 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: due to experiments with device I would prefer to have such one ;) | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | hrw: you'll probably need to patch in usb networking and such as well, it isn't as featureful | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | and it doesn't use a initfs, so | 18:19 |
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| hrw | Stskeeps: but as long as rootfs boots to bootmenu level I am ok | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372885&postcount=22 | 18:20 |
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| hrw | thx | 18:21 |
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| * C-S-B-N900 wants to play with neopwn. | 18:28 | |
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| * nidO wants his archos back | 18:28 | |
| MiXu- | hmm... I seriously don't understand the rationale for having a 256MB rootfs | 18:28 |
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| nidO | rationale is simple | 18:29 |
| microlith | because that was the biggest device available when the N900 was designed | 18:29 |
| nidO | 1) pick a nand chi | 18:29 |
| nidO | p | 18:29 |
| C-S-B-N900 | cheapness | 18:29 |
| nidO | 2) buy the biggest available | 18:29 |
| nidO | = 256mb rootfs | 18:29 |
| nidO | whats hard to get? | 18:29 |
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| MiXu- | ok, 256 is maybe ok if you design the device so that it doesn't get filled up | 18:30 |
| C-S-B-N900 | quick and cheap, for average user, its anough | 18:30 |
| microlith | MiXu-: which is why packages need to be optified | 18:30 |
| nidO | cost isnt really a factor C-S-B, when the device was designed 512mb nand chips simply didnt exist | 18:30 |
| * microlith has never filled his rootfs, despite messing with it a lot | 18:30 | |
| dneary_ | GAN900, Jaffa: So is anyone running a pool on the top 3, 4 or 5 candidates? | 18:30 |
| MiXu- | but now it fills up to the point where it causes problems to upgrading firmware | 18:30 |
| nidO | you play with devel software, it causes problems | 18:31 |
| nidO | why is this news? | 18:31 |
| microlith | MiXu-: adding -testing and -devel will eat a fair amount of space just from caching | 18:31 |
| dneary_ | I'm betting the incumbents & returning champions poll top - Texrat (popular on the forum), Jaffa and GA | 18:31 |
| * microlith disabled them when updating to PR1.1 and had plenty of space | 18:31 | |
| dneary_ | And unfortulately I've noticed that the great developers have had a harder time getting elected (achipa, andy80) | 18:32 |
| MiXu- | that's the thing - I don't even have anything installed that's really experimental | 18:32 |
| C-S-B-N900 | microlith: really? i have them but im not any where near filling... | 18:32 |
| dneary_ | I don't really know the others well enough to guess where they might end up - do any of them have monster followings on the forum? | 18:32 |
| gouverneur | MiXu-: I got about 58.6MB free, what is it with you people? | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, I have my own idea of the perfect council | 18:33 |
| C-S-B-N900 | acutually im at 80% | 18:33 |
| dneary_ | GAN900, Well, spit it out | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | Just hoping it syncs up well enough with the voters. ;) | 18:33 |
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| dneary_ | It's not going to happen if you don't say what you want it to be | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | YoDude | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | Has a monster forum following | 18:33 |
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| dneary_ | You have a big enough following I bet you could ask some of your voters to give their #1 to someone else & help get them elected | 18:34 |
| MiXu- | gouverneur: I have 52MB after I disabled extras-testing | 18:34 |
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| GAN900 | He's the pb of this election | 18:34 |
| nidO | 52mb is plenty | 18:34 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, ha, I can't see THAT backfiring. | 18:34 |
| MiXu- | I thought you need 50 to be able to upgrade the firmware? | 18:35 |
| dneary_ | GAN900, Sure, it might backfire if you did it from the get-go, but the election's been underway for a few days - you probably already have enough votes to get elected | 18:35 |
| gouverneur | MiXu-: a better setup of where to put things and proper mounting it somewhere would be nice yes but I dont need more rootfs | 18:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ive 39... | 18:35 |
| C-S-B-N900 | MB | 18:35 |
| gouverneur | MiXu-: that was with PR1.1 I think | 18:35 |
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| MiXu- | oooh | 18:35 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, nah, I'm thinking more along the lines of the political fallout. ;) | 18:35 |
| MiXu- | I thought you'd need 50MB to PR1.2. | 18:35 |
| dneary_ | Afraid to be the bad guy for the UFU? | 18:36 |
| GAN900 | It might undermine that candidates position | 18:36 |
| gouverneur | and just disable all repos but nokia will free you up enough space to upgrade | 18:36 |
| GAN900 | I'm poisonous to a lot of groups. ;) | 18:36 |
| MiXu- | but if that's not the case then I guess it's not that bad | 18:36 |
| dneary_ | GAN900, Perhaps he wouldn't get elected without your help... | 18:36 |
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| dneary_ | I'm really hoping andy80 gets elected. We need someone with a very good awareness of developer issues on there | 18:37 |
| MiXu- | I was really worried about this for a second | 18:37 |
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| gouverneur | MiXu-: and still if there is, disabling repos and moving some stuff around and I free you 30MB in less than 40seconds! | 18:37 |
| MiXu- | because I'm gonna be working on Maemo soon :D | 18:37 |
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| gouverneur | MiXu-: working? working what? | 18:38 |
| GAN900 | dneary_, he was awesome in BCN | 18:38 |
| MiXu- | gouverneur: testing | 18:38 |
| * GAN900 got some really good tapas guidance. ;) | 18:38 | |
| gouverneur | testing what | 18:38 |
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| * lcuk did not like tapas | 18:38 | |
| C-S-B-N900 | mmm... im hungry. not had tapas in awhile. | 18:38 |
| MiXu- | gouverneur: the system | 18:38 |
| dneary_ | GAN900, He is awesome | 18:39 |
| gouverneur | MiXu-: ??? | 18:39 |
| MiXu- | gouverneur: maemo system testing for Nokia | 18:39 |
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| gouverneur | ah ok... | 18:40 |
| * noobmonk3y will be at butlins in 2 hours, wohoooooooo (And i'm not driving! rock onnnnnnnn) | 18:40 | |
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| nidO | butlins? | 18:45 |
| nidO | gutted. | 18:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | hehe | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | just for a meal with friends who are there :D | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | but off to butlins minehead next week :D | 18:47 |
| nidO | gutted again. | 18:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | awwww can have a drink for you if that helps :P | 18:48 |
| nidO | I meant gutted for you actually... :> | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | its not where you go | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | its who you go with ;) | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | i quite enjoy a bit of chav'tastic'isms ;) | 18:48 |
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| nidO | I have to say I miss my free entry to center parcs | 18:49 |
| nidO | :( | 18:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo i want free entry to center parcs too! | 18:52 |
| nidO | go work there :P | 18:52 |
| C-S-B | what did you do there? | 18:52 |
| C-S-B | never been to one, what are they like? | 18:52 |
| nidO | was a lifeguard at the elveden parc | 18:52 |
| nidO | theyre great fun, as long as you have money to spend | 18:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | going to one next year, norfolky way as a friend runs watersports up there in the summer :D | 18:53 |
| C-S-B | expensive? | 18:53 |
| nidO | most people generally end up spending more while there than booking the break costs | 18:53 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, home then butlins time | 18:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ciaoooooooooooo alls | 18:53 |
| nidO | because other than accomodation and access to the water park etc, pretty much everything else at the resort costs money | 18:53 |
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| C-S-B | butlins? lol | 18:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 18:54 |
| nidO | noobmonk3y the norfolky one is elveden | 18:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, going out for dnner, it just so happens my friends are at butlins | 18:54 |
| C-S-B | is this predominately UK people in here? | 18:54 |
| * noobmonk3y is 1/2 ozzy ;0 lol | 18:54 | |
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| noobmonk3y | but yes in the UK | 18:54 |
| nidO | I think among us three that're active yeah | 18:54 |
| nidO | :p | 18:54 |
| C-S-B | noobmonk3y, ive been in oz for the last 7 months or more | 18:54 |
| C-S-B | im in uk now though | 18:54 |
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| C-S-B | that're <----likes this. | 18:55 |
| toggles_w | mmmm (y)UK | 18:55 |
| C-S-B | toggles_w, agreed | 18:55 |
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| toggles_w | i'm about to get on a plane to head across the pond to join you ;-) | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | why would you want to be in the UK | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | :D | 18:56 |
| C-S-B | you wouldnt | 18:56 |
| C-S-B | its cold and rubbish | 18:56 |
| C-S-B | and you have to pay for it | 18:56 |
| toggles_w | lunch at the borough markets tomorrow, can't wait | 18:56 |
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| Arif_ | it has | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | well | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | hmmm | 18:56 |
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| Arif_ | lots of pr0n comes from the UK | 18:56 |
| C-S-B | o rly/ | 18:56 |
| Arif_ | which is not interesting :O | 18:57 |
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| Arif_ | oh and I watch Sky Digital illegally :P | 18:57 |
| C-S-B | how ? | 18:57 |
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| Arif_ | cardharing | 18:57 |
| Arif_ | cardshaing* | 18:57 |
| inz | =) | 18:57 |
| toggles_w | my flatmate used to do it by hacknig the cards | 18:57 |
| C-S-B | i thought the crypto for sky hadnt been cracked? | 18:57 |
| toggles_w | on his bebox, oh, those were the days | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | its not cracked | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | the cards are being "shared" | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | :D | 18:58 |
| C-S-B | duplicates? or just swapped between you? | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | via the internet | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | digital copies | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | costs about €10 a month | 18:58 |
| C-S-B | Arif_, explain further, im interested? | 18:58 |
| Arif_ | ....I don't think I should be talking about it here | 18:59 |
| Arif_ | lol | 18:59 |
| C-S-B | he backs up his card, sends dump to you? | 18:59 |
| C-S-B | meh | 18:59 |
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| C-S-B | you put dump on another card? | 18:59 |
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| Arif_ | no | 19:00 |
| Arif_ | you just enter a server name | 19:00 |
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| C-S-B | what box do you have? | 19:02 |
| Arif_ | I have a DVBS card with DVBViewer | 19:02 |
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| zaheerm | sasc-ng facilitates this | 19:04 |
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| Arif_ | wha? | 19:05 |
| Arif_ | =} | 19:05 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Let me see if I can find photos for FLS I think the poster is in some | 19:05 |
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| GAN900 | andrewfblack, jjackowski's photostream? | 19:09 |
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| dneary_ | Bye all | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | /traceroute Arif_ | 19:10 |
| dneary_ | Off running | 19:10 |
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| Arif_ | :O | 19:11 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: yeah | 19:11 |
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| simona | ciao | 19:29 |
| simona | !lista | 19:29 |
| gavin | what is it with the italians and IRC warez seeking? | 19:29 |
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| Arif_ | yeah | 19:32 |
| Arif_ | who uses IRC to download warez anyway :P | 19:32 |
| hrw | Arif_: I remember times of dcc warez bots | 19:33 |
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| Arif_ | fserves ftw | 19:33 |
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| hrw | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: rootsh | 19:34 |
| hrw | ~curse ham | 19:34 |
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| * andrewfblack guesses he needs to go outside of maemo.org community to get some of the applications he wants wrote written. Hard to believe you can't even pay someone to write an app for you. | 19:35 | |
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| hrw | andrewfblack: ? | 19:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | andres: written written, no? :) | 19:37 |
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| andrewfblack | hrw: just a little rant I've been trying to get a few applications I want written for a few months now. One someone wrote for me on Diablo works on fremantle but has some bugs. I have offered bountys for them but I guess I need to try one of those freelancer sites | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 19:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: who'd you bribe? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:43 |
| satmd | ghostbusters! | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | was too stupid to refuse | 19:43 |
| satmd | no err... not quite | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: the canops got tired of me nagging them to do boring housekeeping tasks ;-) | 19:47 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it's all about the delegation. | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: good :) | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: let me put it this way: one more chan to keep an eye on doesn't matter | 19:54 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i know - i forgot a ;) somewhere | 19:55 |
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| * C-S-B loves fm transmitter listening to tunes over the radio or using the gps in the car | 19:56 | |
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| andrewfblack | anyone know size of border around icons on desktop? | 20:06 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 20:09 |
| Arif_ | Hello! | 20:11 |
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| L0NELY-TR0LL | hello | 20:12 |
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| Khertan | ~ping | 20:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:12 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | hi | 20:12 |
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| L0NELY-TR0LL | ~ping | 20:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 20:12 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | wow | 20:12 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | ~pizza | 20:13 |
| Myrtti | oh, it's you again | 20:13 |
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| L0NELY-TR0LL | NO!!! | 20:13 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | It is not me!! | 20:13 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | So.. what is new | 20:13 |
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| zaheerm-lp | some people don't have better things to do | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | Guy just doesn't know when to quit. | 20:14 |
| Khertan | ? | 20:14 |
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| L0NELY-TR0LL | hey | 20:14 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: gal, apparently. | 20:14 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | it hurts | 20:14 |
| Arif_ | .ru? | 20:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | you have big balls? | 20:14 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | really | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, women troll? | 20:14 |
| aSIMULAtor | like Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge | 20:14 |
| zaheerm-lp | L0NELY-TR0LL, you should have better things to do | 20:14 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | zaheerm-lp For example | 20:14 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: so I've been informed | 20:14 |
| L0NELY-TR0LL | ? | 20:14 |
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| aSIMULAtor | nice | 20:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | pwned | 20:15 |
| Myrtti | indeed | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, my world view has been shaken. *g* | 20:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | now | 20:15 |
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| aSIMULAtor | if he was a real troll | 20:15 |
| aSIMULAtor | watch for hte onslaught | 20:15 |
| Myrtti | she's claimed that female ops are jealous of the attention she gets from men | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | we have female ops? | 20:16 |
| Myrtti | so far, she's managed to get herself banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic | 20:16 |
| Myrtti | Arif_: other channels do | 20:16 |
| Myrtti | though I wouldn't mind the idea on this channel either... *g* | 20:16 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 20:16 |
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| Myrtti | God knows I've seen stuff that would have earned atleast a warning on other channels | 20:17 |
| * Arif_ whistles | 20:17 | |
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| * Khertan is happy theme is now implemented in pygtkeditor | 20:19 | |
| Khertan | and it s works | 20:19 |
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| Arif_ | whos implemented in whatnow? | 20:19 |
| Arif_ | :p | 20:19 |
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| Khertan | i do it :) | 20:20 |
| Khertan | but not release it ... | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, lol, that's classic. | 20:21 |
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| GAN900 | Considering the unfortunagely male-biased ratio of IRC I'd argue there's plenty of attention for everybody. *eg* | 20:22 |
| * Myrtti would love to have less attention, really... | 20:23 | |
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| Myrtti | especially calling me a whore or bitch or telling me they know my home address is the kind of attention I can live without | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | you really get that? | 20:24 |
| Arif_ | o.o; | 20:24 |
| Khertan | as i m still waiting the removal of pygtkeditor from extras repository ... | 20:24 |
| Myrtti | Arif_: joys of being an op on the biggest channel of Freenode | 20:24 |
| corecode_ | \o/ conboy | 20:24 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I missed troll... damn | 20:25 |
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| hugokernel1 | hi | 20:25 |
| Arif_ | so did you ever get a visit? :P | 20:25 |
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| corecode_ | what's the biggest # on freenode? | 20:25 |
| hugokernel1 | anyone can help me about sixaxis controller and n900 ? | 20:25 |
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| Myrtti | corecode_: /msg alis list * -min 1000 | 20:26 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Probably #ubuntu at a guess... as any ubuntu user gets autojoined? | 20:26 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: what's wrong? | 20:26 |
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| Myrtti | Gadgetoid_iMac: no, they don't get autojoined when they start the computer | 20:27 |
| hugokernel1 | i have read all thread on forum and much more but nothing... pairing with controller is ok | 20:27 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Myrtti: are you implying there are people using Ubuntu without running IRC!? | 20:27 |
| Myrtti | Gadgetoid_iMac: strangly enough, yes!!!11 | 20:27 |
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| hugokernel1 | my dmesg when pairing : generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx | 20:28 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Myrtti: does not compute! | 20:28 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: what steps have you followed thus far? | 20:29 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | And have you removed the input plugin from the disabled list in the bluetooth conf? that farks it up | 20:29 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | ergo: it *should* be disabled, not enabled | 20:30 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, plenty of unpleasant people everywhere, I guees. :( | 20:31 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: this one : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41693 | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | almost like in RL ;-P | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in RL you got no ignorelist though, and /kick is going to be a violent act | 20:32 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: have you tinkered with your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf at all? | 20:32 |
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| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: as an op I get no ignorelist either, and atleast with RL I can walk away, or just blatantly tell people to fuck off, which isn't what I can do wrt Ubuntu stuff | 20:33 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Yes, i have tested all possiblities with DisablePlugin and rebooted every time | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 20:33 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | The line should read: DisablePlugins = network,input,hal | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (ignorelist) well you're supposed to not have any. though it still works | 20:34 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, but at least there's no real anonymity to make people worse. ;) | 20:35 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: yes, i have that | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a fact | 20:35 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | And controller set up with sixpair? | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except for police special sqads, and cu clux clan | 20:36 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: yes | 20:36 |
| ptl | * sigh * | 20:36 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Pairing is ok, i see that in dmesg | 20:36 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: but, i have a new device in /dev/input named event4 | 20:37 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: when i run evtest /dev/input/event4/, nothing happen when i tape on sixaxis button | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: doubt it'll be noticable, but grabbing all fremantle sources for fun and profit :P | 20:37 |
| Tobarja_n810 | will the n810 charge via usb? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | there's a hardware hack for it, i think | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | but not out of box | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tobarja_n810: no, not afaik | 20:38 |
| Tobarja_n810 | ok thanks | 20:39 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Hmmm, I never tries any of that, just fired up an emulator and it worked | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tobarja_n810: I could check the hw schematics, to find out if there's a way to implement it - if you're really that interested in it | 20:39 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: could you tell me what you see in your dmesg when you press sixaxis PS button | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer, Tobarja_n810: http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/review-kensington-usb-charger.html | 20:40 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: please | 20:40 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Will give it a shot, with the controller off? | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Klu Klux Klan. ;) | 20:41 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: yes | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | Oops, N900 keyboard fail! | 20:42 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: input: PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller (00:1B:FB:9F:2D:D0) as /class/input/input5 | 20:42 |
| GAN900 | -l | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: this kensington fake is about adapter USB->barrel | 20:42 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, thank you | 20:43 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: i have « input: CSR HIDEngine Keyboard as /class/input/input4 » | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ... not exactly about carging N810 via usb-micro receptacle | 20:43 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: and « generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx » | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but still :P | 20:43 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Hmm, hugokernel1 is this using the package installed from repos? | 20:44 |
| Tobarja_n810 | well dang... that's not exactly what i was thinking about but it would do the trick. | 20:44 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: yes | 20:44 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: my sixaxis is not a real sony controller | 20:44 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Interesting | 20:44 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23767 | 20:44 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I can't imagine why that would make a difference, though, unless the "hack"/"driver" is looking for a specific identification string to latch on to | 20:44 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I'm using the sixad package, and a geniune DS2 | 20:45 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: i search in source driver identifier but i don't found | 20:45 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Well, that's that theory dead in the water, then! | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: seen kbd driver hickup several times. usually closing slide fixes that | 20:45 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ok | 20:46 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, also: muscle memory fail. ;) | 20:46 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | I hate that Sonic loses rings by hitting spikes side on... what the hell! | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: (KKK) thanks :-) | 20:46 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, since, you know, spelling extremist hate group names properly is so important. ;) | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: sonic? | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | Gadgetoid_iMac: sonic? | 20:47 |
| jacekowski | Gadgetoid_iMac: on maemo? | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: well I'm always trying to improve my spelling. It's abysmal | 20:48 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, spell check did a lot of damage to mine. | 20:48 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | jacekowski: yes... | 20:48 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | In MasterGear | 20:49 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Blame hugokernel1, he made me go and get my PS3 controller, and one thing lead to another, and I'm playing Sonic 1 again | 20:49 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ;) | 20:50 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Thank you for the help | 20:50 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 20:50 |
| wizkoder | is the n900 little or big endian? | 20:50 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Well the master system sonic is awesome | 20:50 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: sorry I couldn't solve it :( | 20:50 |
| hugokernel1 | I continue to seek | 20:50 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Start with a real DS2 :) | 20:51 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Play for me ;) | 20:51 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Although that fake one you linked is very, very convincing | 20:51 |
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| cpt_nemo | Is there a port of emacs 23 for maemo? | 20:52 |
| cpt_nemo | Specifically one that is compatible with the N810? | 20:52 |
| ds3 | EH? | 20:52 |
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| ShadowJK | wizkoder, little endian | 20:53 |
| wizkoder | ShadowJK: excellent. as is my laptop. thanks | 20:53 |
| LiraNuna | armel = arm endian little | 20:53 |
| ShadowJK | It wont even kill you for unaligned access | 20:53 |
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| wizkoder | ShadowJK: working on a blowfish algorythm for my program. So I guess I don't have to change nothing for deployment on the n900 | 20:55 |
| ebzzry | Hi! Is there a way to unlock the screen from the command line (via SSH). | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | wizkoder, I'm sure there are already blowfish functions available in one of the included libraries :) | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: spellcheck for Konversation/4 is somewhat borked. Can't set it to "English" permanently, always switches back to "German" :-/ | 20:56 |
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| lostinmirkwood | ebzzry:Been Looking for the same answer, unlock or lite the screen. | 20:56 |
| wizkoder | ShadowJK: couldn't find that. So I wrote my own ;-) | 20:56 |
| ebzzry | lostinmirkwood: Hmm. | 20:56 |
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| ebzzry | lostinmirkwood: I need to unlock the screen because VNC would otherwise be useless with it. | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | wizkoder, well, openssl would be where I'd start looking :) | 20:58 |
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| ebzzry | I hope there's someone out here who could point out what routines are being performed when the keyboard is slid out. | 20:58 |
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| t3rm1n4l | hi | 21:00 |
| GAN900 | multilingual system-wide dictionaries are nice in OS X | 21:00 |
| t3rm1n4l | is there google summer of code channel for maemo ? | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: KDE4 has 1% of new features and 99% of regressions :-/ | 21:00 |
| trip0 | lol | 21:01 |
| LiraNuna | haha | 21:01 |
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| lostinmirkwood | ebzzry:Found it, it's a DBUS Send Command, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=574066#post574066 | 21:02 |
| ebzzry | lostinmirkwood: Going | 21:02 |
| dmj726_n9001 | t3rm1n4l: I don't think there is but think it would be a really good idea. | 21:03 |
| lostinmirkwood | ebzzry:Just tested it and it works fine. | 21:03 |
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| ebzzry | lostinmirkwood: Sweet. Thanks a lot! | 21:04 |
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| * ebzzry gives some cookies to lostinmirkwood | 21:04 | |
| Sho_ | DocScrutinizer: FWIW, the spell-checking stuff is in kdelibs, it's not Konversation-specific | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-unlock2_.28with_code.29 | 21:05 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Going | 21:05 |
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| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot! | 21:07 |
| jonne|reconnecte | if you installed the cifs package, is it possible to mount a cifs share through /etc/fstab with maemo? | 21:07 |
| jonne|reconnecte | the same way you'd do it on a debian box? | 21:07 |
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| microlith | jonne|reconnecte: yes, but you have to do some hacking to get it automatic on boot | 21:08 |
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| microlith | and busybox won't let you do it as a regular user (it ignores the user parameter) | 21:09 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | Hmm, I guess the hacking part would be a bit over the top | 21:11 |
| jonne|reconnecte | I'm ok with editing conf files and installing packages, but that's all I'm doing with this phone ;-) | 21:11 |
| jonne|reconnecte | thanks for the answer | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch out fstab is autocreated on boot time | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 21:12 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 21:12 |
| jonne|reconnecte | I guess there's no other way to auto-mount my NAS when I walk into my LAN? | 21:12 |
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| Jaffa | anyone in the mood for some election-oriented wiki editing? | 21:17 |
| fnordianslip | i guess automount is ou of the question? | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sho_: thanks. Probably it's best to switch to english spellcheck in kde-sysconfig | 21:17 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | meh, I guess it's not really necessary to be able to access my music from my phone when I'm home, as I can just use my computers for that | 21:18 |
| jonne|reconnecte | would be cool, though | 21:18 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: could you take a « ls -la » in your /dev/input when your sixaxis is connected ? | 21:19 |
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| Sho_ | DocScrutinizer: Possibly. The KDE 4 spell-checking implementation was originally designed to do language detection on a per-paragraph basis to support multi-dictionary spell-checking within the same document, but the developer disappeared at some point (he was actually presumed dead for a while) which meant other had to pick up the slack, and it didn't quite reach its lofty goals. Maybe some remnant of that detection stuff is going haywire for you. | 21:19 |
| Sho_ | *others | 21:19 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | hugokernel1: you looking for something like 0 crw-rw-r-- 1 root root 13, 0 Mar 25 18:43 js0 | 21:20 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, thx | 21:20 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: i don't understand, i have : event0 event1 event2 event3 event4 keypad pwrbutton ts uinput | 21:21 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 64 Jan 1 1970 event0 | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 65 Jan 1 1970 event1 | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 66 Jan 1 1970 event2 | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 67 Jan 1 1970 event3 | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | 0 crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 68 Mar 25 18:43 event4 | 21:21 |
| hugokernel1 | ok | 21:21 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: What's your kernel version ? | 21:21 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I have event0, event1, event2, event3, event4, js0, keypad -> event1, mice, mouse0, pwrbutton -> event0, ts -> mouse0, uinput | 21:21 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | 2.6.28-omap1 pow pow | 21:22 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, i don't have js0 | 21:22 |
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| ebzzry | BTW, where is wmctrl? | 21:23 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Damn I love the music from Sonic bridge zone | 21:24 |
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| oly | hi, i have got easy debian on my phone, is there a way i can use the chroot from the terminal rather than using the icon ? | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gadgetoid_iMac: be careful, the limit for pasts is ~5 lines in this chan, and seems is enforced quite rigidly | 21:25 |
| oly | basically i want to use it over ssh connection, but dont know what to type to launch the enviroment | 21:26 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the warning... but I like to live on the wild side | 21:26 |
| oly | guessing i just need to know the path to chroot against | 21:26 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | I categorically hate internet explorer. | 21:27 |
| ptl | how is it to categorically hate anything? | 21:28 |
| Vanadis | i love internet explorer | 21:28 |
| Vanadis | i spent 90% of my time on fixing CSS-Bugs in IE6 | 21:29 |
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| Vanadis | Basically, my whole salary is based on Microsoft | 21:29 |
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| ptl | Poor Vanadis. I feel pity. | 21:30 |
| ptl | How can you stand this pain and suffering? | 21:31 |
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| Vanadis | well | 21:32 |
| Vanadis | it's very good paid | 21:32 |
| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Could you run /usr/sbin/sixad-uinput-sixaxis ? | 21:32 |
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| ebzzry | Any kind soul out here who would point to me where should I get wmctrl? | 21:34 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Kerpow? | 21:34 |
| Funnyface | meh, I was going to record video in a pitch dark room today, and it appears that the flashlight app can't run at the same time as the camera.. -_- | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Funnyface, it uses the same driver | 21:35 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | requires sixad, please run sixad instead, hugokernel1 | 21:35 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: Thx | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Funnyface, anyway. That only works to some 5pcm distance. | 21:35 |
| Funnyface | probably, the camera app fails to open so I was thinking of something along those lines | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | more and you can't see | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 50 | 21:36 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | It also segfaults when given any parameters, nice! | 21:36 |
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| hugokernel1 | Gadgetoid_iMac: ok | 21:37 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | any going on in here? | 21:40 |
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| * Stskeeps is really doing crazy things on his lazy evenings | 21:40 | |
| Stskeeps | currently uploading entire fremantle sdk sources to OBS, modified the fremantle gcc to be for armv6+vfp, and seeing how far we get | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 21:41 |
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| ptl | is there any dbus call to take a photo while the camera app is running? | 21:41 |
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| ptl | or to otherwise control the camera app. | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i'll be a customer of your bubble bobble theme for sure | 21:42 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: lol you seen screenshots yet? | 21:42 |
| * andrewfblack is thinking of holding all themes hostage until someone programs him a Weight Watchers Calculator lol | 21:43 | |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I mean Backgrounds not screenshots | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, backgrounds | 21:44 |
| GAN900 | andrewfblack, if you're not hungry you're doing it wrong? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | i played that game quite a lot as a kid :P | 21:44 |
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| GAN900 | Suppose somebody could modify the Hello, World example. ;) | 21:44 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: lol well I've lost 8 lbs in 4 weeks making me happy. Going to gym 3 times a week also | 21:44 |
| Arif_ | I want a jazz jackrabbit 2 port for the N900! | 21:44 |
| andrewfblack | GAN900: If I had time I would learn to do it my self in python but I have knee deep in about 5 themes right now. | 21:45 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: any ideas for the Bubble Bobble themes? I'm thinking it wont require alot of changes I might just stick with maemo-org theme with color changes, and some bubble bobble things here and there. I could go all out and make top bar look like platform and all but I think that would be to much | 21:48 |
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| pronto | so i knowy ou can have a vnc viewer on the n900, but am i able to view my n900 via vnc on my desktop? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: i'm not very creative in that area :P | 21:48 |
| lcuk | pronto, sure | 21:50 |
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| andrewfblack | if I can find a copy of Inkscape for Windows that will run on a thumb drive I can do more at work I'm stuck with only Gimp at work right now | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: (our home became or prison) couldn't agree more, esp wrt the bit about security framework concerns | 21:52 |
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| konttori | thanks. I haven't followed up the latest in security fw developments, but it's very tricky to make something like that developer friendly for non-commercial development. | 21:53 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: btw I was trying to make icons fit in between levels on background but I either need to increase space another 20 pixels or so or lose the the border around icons. | 21:53 |
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| hrw | re | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | wb hrw | 21:53 |
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| hrw | I just answered to konttori's mail | 21:54 |
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| ptl | btw | 21:54 |
| ptl | isn't there inkscape for the N900? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: I'd dare to state it's inpossible | 21:55 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | no inkscape, just mypaint. | 21:55 |
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| ptl | mypaint is not vectorial, is it? | 21:56 |
| hrw | ptl: I cannot imagine using inkscape on 800x480 highdpi screen | 21:56 |
| andrewfblack | ptl: no inkscape on n900 except for with easy debian whihc hates me | 21:56 |
| konttori | I agree. Me? I would just give it up completely. I don't see the point of it at all. Wel, for the only thing I do see the point is blocking cellmo access. But that's it. | 21:56 |
| andrewfblack | hrw: if I could get inkscape on here I would use it everyday | 21:57 |
| konttori | and even for that it's overkill. | 21:57 |
| dmj726_n9001 | inkscape is barely able to scale to 1024x600. | 21:57 |
| dmj726_n9001 | virtual machine? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | konttori: i see a benefit to it in a world where devices are more promiscious than an american girl on exchange in europe.. | 21:58 |
| ptl | hrw: you'd have to hide most toolbars and UI, for sure | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | and the fact any extras app could technically blow up the battery | 21:58 |
| * ShadowJK thinks that's harder/impossible on n900 | 22:00 | |
| * hrw wants qt 4.6 on users devices | 22:00 | |
| Vanadis | is anybody playing diablo through psx4all? | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | hi konttori | 22:00 |
| * timeless_mbp wants 4.8 | 22:00 | |
| konttori | Stskeeps: any interesting security flaws will anyway come in more sneaky forms. | 22:01 |
| konttori | qt 4.8? | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | why not? | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | everyone's asking for 4.7 | 22:01 |
| * RST38h moos at konttori | 22:01 | |
| timeless_mbp | so it's too pedestrian :) | 22:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | konttori: is it true that my mail widget bug is going to be fixed? :) | 22:01 |
| konttori | target it to at leash have 4.7 asap. Yeah, I also want 4.8. | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | heh :) | 22:01 |
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| konttori | 4.7 is really a minor step, but 4.8 looks to be stellar | 22:02 |
| * RST38h suggests anyone working on Maemo security carefully check the royal clusterfuck of symbian 9.x | 22:02 | |
| konttori | sorry, which mail widget bug. I don't remember discussing such with you. | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: we prefer to make our own :) | 22:02 |
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| GAN900 | lol, Veyron downtown | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | konttori: bugmail cc by me this week | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | Gotta love race car drivers. | 22:02 |
| konttori | anyway, I'm on daddy month, so no clues about what's going on internally | 22:02 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, they probably think it's good there :P | 22:02 |
| RST38h | timeless: So, which company is going to make your security cluster fuck its business model this time? | 22:03 |
| RST38h | (or, to be direct, who is gonna be signing binaries for $60 a pop?) | 22:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | i wouldn't know :) | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | but trust me, i really don't want to know :) | 22:04 |
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| ShadowJK | At one point there were developer certificates so you could sign binaries for one specific device yourself :) | 22:05 |
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| ShadowJK | but then they stopped sellng those certs | 22:05 |
| RST38h | javispedro | 22:05 |
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| javispedro | evening | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Keyword is "specific device" | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | evening javispedro | 22:06 |
| asj | s60 capabilities are the worst thing I've ever dealt with | 22:06 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: + I would personally curse with the bloody diarrhea the guy who made getting IMEI a protected capability | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but atleast that let you write stuff for yourself | 22:06 |
| timeless_mbp | asj: i promise someone will develop something much worse :) | 22:06 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: How generous! | 22:06 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, or using the gps | 22:06 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: they haven't yet | 22:07 |
| timeless_mbp | someone will! | 22:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: actually, you could use the external GPS BUT NOT the internal one | 22:07 |
| RST38h | (notice the past tense too, it is there for a reason) | 22:07 |
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| asj | that's ok, I can now sign "all -tcb" so that solves most of my problems ;) | 22:08 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:09 |
| asj | timeless_mbp: that covers most s60 caps to do anything | 22:09 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks some random organization in SF.CA.US | 22:10 | |
| * timeless_mbp proceeds to complain to chase | 22:10 | |
| Myrtti | oh, sf. near miss | 22:10 |
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| * ShadowJK hopes batterymeter will recalibrate itself after discharge/charge cycle :D | 22:14 | |
| ShadowJK | it's doing some funny seesawing now.. | 22:14 |
| ShadowJK | (with mugen 2400mAh batt) | 22:15 |
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| * timeless_mbp goes through a phone maze dealing w/ Chase bank | 22:15 | |
| timeless_mbp | how much time do you guys get w/ that? | 22:15 |
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| * ShadowJK hasn't managed to drain it yet and is watching videos while ircing on hspa | 22:17 | |
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| ptl | which one is better? Mer or easy-debian? | 22:20 |
| timeless_mbp | for what purpose? | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | Not exactly comparable? | 22:21 |
| timeless_mbp | s/exactly/remotely/ | 22:21 |
| asj | ShadowJK: do you have a cart to haul your phone around behind you now? that batt is huge | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | Still fits in jeans pocket | 22:22 |
| asj | wow | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | and the edges are curved so I can even slide it into pocket onehanded | 22:22 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess a 1800mAh battery would add less thickness and be a middle option | 22:23 |
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| jonne|reconnecte | is there some sort of buddy list widget for your empathy contacts? | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | but I suspect they're getting fed up with the n900 users by now :) | 22:23 |
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| hd1 | would it be possible to have MyDocs be an NFS mount or is that not going to work? | 22:26 |
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| hd1 | specifically, an NFS mount from FreeBSD | 22:26 |
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| trip0 | hd1: maybe. depends on whether or not nfs is installed | 22:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks it's a pity meego-meeting wasn't inclined to elaborate on the whole security-framework and locked-bootloader shit topic, and points to http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# | 22:28 | |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's too late for that. enjoy your unlocked but closed bootloader while it lasts. | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo :-( | 22:29 |
| Aquarina | hi | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | hi Aquarina | 22:30 |
| Aquarina | does maemo need mmc2? can I just format it with something else? | 22:30 |
| Aquarina | I'd like to get rid of it apearing on the device | 22:31 |
| Aquarina | and would like to use it for mer | 22:31 |
| Aquarina | (n810) | 22:31 |
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| * javispedro lols at the nokia design by community polls | 22:32 | |
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| javispedro | clearly, the right way to "enhance" a poll is to put a big meter near the options that tells you how much the option you're going to vote is liked by Nokia | 22:32 |
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| * javispedro invokes Godwin's Law: http://tamoggemon.com/blog/contents/2006/August/thabigobvious/paper.jpg | 22:33 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ack | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | largely useless fake | 22:34 |
| lcuk | javispedro, didnt you regiger yourself in the election as ">>>>>>>>> Javis <<<<<<<<<<<" | 22:35 |
| hd1 | it is installed | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless Nokia is using the results for a completely different purpose than stated in the 'poll' | 22:35 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I hope not :S :) | 22:36 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:36 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | i need of automake-1.10 for fremantle. Someone know if this version exists | 22:36 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | ? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | FlavioFerreiraBR, which version have you discovered | 22:36 |
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| Aquarina | any way to print to a samba shared printer from maemo? | 22:37 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | was there a gavin in here earlier? | 22:45 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | wonder if it was gavin de vine of glastonbury. | 22:46 |
| C-S-B-N900 | theres one in linux format talking about n900. | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: ja, ja, volskwagen | 22:49 |
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| gavin | there is a gavin in here now | 22:54 |
| gavin | I am not of vine, nor glastonbury | 22:55 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | well hello anyway. | 22:55 |
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| gavin | hi :) | 22:57 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | <lcuk> I found 1.9 at maemo repositorys , but i need of 1.10 | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | FlavioFerreiraBR, http://maemo.org/packages/view/automake/ | 23:00 |
| lcuk | read the description | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i think its automake 1.1 | 23:00 |
| lcuk | for future reference, the maemo package search http://maemo.org/packages/ | 23:00 |
| lcuk | shows all available versions based on keyword search | 23:01 |
| Shapeshifter | people haven't tried compiling chromium for the n900, have they? I read it can be compiled for ARM... | 23:01 |
| lcuk | so typing automake in there was enough | 23:01 |
| javispedro | google's chromium? | 23:02 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | thanks | 23:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: yes | 23:04 |
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| javispedro | then, i at least didn't :) | 23:04 |
| C-S-B-N900 | we cant use the front facing camera for sky can we? | 23:04 |
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| ds3 | has anyone ran into a situation where you just can't switch apps on the n900? | 23:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | *skype | 23:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | nope. | 23:05 |
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| ds3 | heh so once again, I alone hit the corner cases | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | ctrl-backspace or camera button? | 23:07 |
| ds3 | nope | 23:07 |
| ds3 | I even have the camera button switcher daemon thing | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: I wonder how well it would fair but I'm too lazy to crosscompile right now ;) | 23:08 |
| ds3 | I was sort of impressed at how well it manage to grab things; opening the camera would get the camera app to run in the background ! | 23:08 |
| Shapeshifter | it's quite nippy on a desktop, but might have high ram usage. | 23:08 |
| ds3 | and power button's kill current app didn't do anything either | 23:09 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | someone has been used ODE (OPEN DYNAMICS ENGINE) | 23:18 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | ? | 23:18 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | im fed up of pm on the wifi timing out the connection. | 23:19 |
| C-S-B-N900 | anyone else get this? | 23:19 |
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| javispedro | no. | 23:21 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | :( prob the ap. | 23:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and what pm setting are you? | 23:22 |
| javispedro | default (aka max) | 23:22 |
| C-S-B-N900 | mmm... | 23:23 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | ive moved up to intermediate and it still goes dead here until i reconnect. | 23:24 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | it doesn't lose connection,just get nothing in the browser | 23:24 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | and i cant ping. | 23:25 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | someone know ODE project. (OPEN DYNAMICS ENGINE) | 23:26 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | ? | 23:26 |
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| ptl | I don't, flavio | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: seen this when heavy swapping brings everything to a temporary halt - longest freeze I seen was ~20min | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: leving a youtube browser win running in background seems to frequently create issues like that | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | leaving even | 23:33 |
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| ds3 | DocScrutinizier: I am pretty sure this wasn't a cpu/swapping thing | 23:37 |
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| ds3 | what happened was - someone send me a RTF file as an attachment. I have the Koffice viewer thingie installed. | 23:38 |
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| ds3 | I click on the file to open it. Koffice viewer gets confused and pops up a dialog asking for what it is. but it won't let me select anything, or cancel out of it. | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you all probably know the requester "some javascript in your webpage is slowing down browser execution. Kill? [yes/no]" (OWTTE). I'd consider it useful to have a similar requester rised by a daemon, whenever an app is going loose with excessive malloc or cpu-load | 23:38 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | not seen that one docscrutinizer, i agree with your proposal though. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: I had a similar problem with HAM (iirc) rising a requester but that requester bas *behind* the main win. And of course it was modal so I couldn't kill the app | 23:42 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | my mp3 playback is getting jumping as i have xchat and a couple of browsers open | 23:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | C-S-B-N900: and that already exists | 23:43 |
| crashanddie_ | sorry, wrong nick | 23:43 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: and that already exists | 23:43 |
| Shapeshifter | firefox is so freakin fast. it's what i'd expect of a browser. what a surprise. | 23:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: if an app is sucking off the transistors, and you try to close it, because the watchdog doesn't get a reply within x cycles, you'll get a popup "Window not responding, force quit execution?" | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: heh, great :-) Wasn't aware - how's the name | 23:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | id use firefox if it supported flash | 23:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | I hardly ever use flash :) | 23:44 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm pretty sure we could definitely improve the thread scheduler | 23:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | don't remember which one we're using atm | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: yes, I know that one. Only triggers on failing close xmsg | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B-N900: that's :-/. Tried renicing mediaplayer (or probably gstreamer or whatever mediaplayer uses to process the mp3)? | 23:48 |
| C-S-B-N900 | pretty ghetto solution. | 23:49 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | and no i didn't. | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really. If implemented the right way, means include the 'nice -n -5 <whatever process>' in the right place | 23:50 |
| C-S-B-N900 | but would it take a cpu cycle away from say phone or a daemon etc | 23:51 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | i think media player is just being greedy. | 23:52 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | since closing a browser its ok. | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, priority (aka niceness) doesn't take away cpu cycles from any process in itself. It just assigns better chances to get cpu cycles just in time, to the higer priorized process | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (greedy) so this would tell me it's browser that's greedy, not mediaplayer | 23:56 |
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