IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-03-25

ds3ouch indeed00:00
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ds3nid0: is there room to put a piece of magnet tape on it?00:01
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nidOprobably. I dont have one, just going on reports from earlier00:02
Shapeshifterds3: there's enough wasted space under that cover to fit a small house under it.00:02
nidOthat back case is so massive you could probably get the earth's entire magnetic core under it.00:02
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ds3Shapeshifter: oh... so a even larger battery is possible?00:02
Shapeshifterds3: if you make one?00:03
nidOif mugen had utilised all of the space under the cover rather than just a brick the same shape as the original, it'd easily be a 4500mah or so battery00:03
nidOand would probably require you drag the device along the floor behind you00:03
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atitianyone knows where to get the mugen stuff in europe?00:04
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nidOtheir site probably, I cannot for the life of me see why anyone would buy one though00:05
cehtehjust a slightly thicker battery with a back cover that has a flat surface instead the produding lens frame would be nice already00:05
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cehtehwith lens slider and magnet for mounting uSD00:05
ds3on a different topic... is there an app that adds basic hand held GPS functionality to the N900? by basic I mean - a button to add a waypoint... a GPS compass, a trail, and direction to a waypoint?00:05
cehtehand some people want a better kickstand .. like the n81000:05
* RST38h wants a shocker00:06
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ds3something lighter then mapper00:06
RST38hds3: Maep00:06
ds3something along the lines of an early hand held GPS00:06
cehtehmaep doesnt let one make waypoints00:06
ds3making waypoints in mapper is painful00:07
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cehtehwell impossible in maep00:07
cehtehmapper is slow like molasses too00:07
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cehteheats a lot cpu/battery00:07
ds3for road use with a local power source, mapper works...much better then Map00:07
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ds3but I want something that is simple and usable for hiking00:07
cehtehyes, nothing but maep or mapper00:08
ds3ideally, it'd also run in portrait mode but that migt just be too much to ask for00:08
* cehteh hopes mapper improves over time00:08
cehtehits on the right way00:08
cehtehmaybe anyone tries to port viking to maemo5 .. i like it00:09
ds3other then power and lack of a simple way to make waypoints, I love mapper00:09
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: wirelss taser ;-P00:10
cehtehmy screen protector got a scratch today .. good to have it00:10
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crashanddieWhat is mapper written in?00:12
DocScrutinizercehteh: screen protector is like my oma's sofa blanket. It protects the sofa from getting dirty, so nothing spoils the always hidden splended sight00:12
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DocScrutinizerthe blanket is ugly like hell, but hey, there's a nice sofa under that00:13
nidOI bet she paid extra for the nice upholstry too00:13
GAN9001DocScrutinizer, eh, not with a good quality one.00:14
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DocScrutinizerGAN9001: you got the prototype of next N-series?00:15
cehtehi have a anti-glare one .. makes it quite useable in the sun00:15
ds3GPSjinni looks close to what I want if it only did some tracking/waypoints00:16
DocScrutinizerNow we know it's called N9001 ;-P00:16
GAN900DocScrutinizer, still waiting for my Boxwave protector, though. :(00:16
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SpeedEvilbut probably too heavy00:16
GAN900DocScrutinizer, lies, all lies!00:16
ds3SpeedEvil: yes, have that installed already00:17
cehtehosmtogo is a editor for small areas its not useable for hiking00:17
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DocScrutinizerhmm, - need to check that, sounds good00:18
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cehtehi miss some functionality from ma old gps .. distance to the next waypoint, estimated arrival time and so on00:19
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Ken-Youngcehteh, Is anyone working on an N900 Garmin emulator"?00:20
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ShapeshifterKen-Young: navit is supposed to support garmin maps00:20
cehtehwhats a garmin emulator?00:20
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pupnik_i cant get joystick working in VIcE00:20
cehtehah .. well i dont know00:20
ptlit the navit that comes with the N900 compiled with that option?00:21
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Ken-Youngcehteh, I just meant something that acts like one of the old Garmin GPS units.00:21
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Shapeshifterptl: I'm not sure00:21
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ptlI'd try if it weren't such a pain in the ass to install maps in navit00:21
Shapeshifterptl: huh. you just wget the map and edit a file00:21
ptlgarmin maps aren't free, are they?00:22
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Shapeshifterptl: oh well, the garmin maps are a different story. but the open streemap ones are excellent for my area00:22
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ptlthey are bad for my area :(00:23
Shapeshifterptl: so you don't know the pleasures of using the command line :) nevermind. (wget is a tool to download stuff / make http requests)00:23
ptlI could try and edit the maps for my neighborhood00:23
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ptlbut when I needed to go to a new place, I'd be stranded00:23
ptlI know wget00:23
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ptlI know very well the pleasures of the command line indeed... even taught shell classes00:24
ptlI just found it strange to wget garmin maps00:24
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Shapeshifterptl: ohhh xD00:28
Shapeshiftersorry then.00:28
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Funnyfacehmm browserd is hogging 100% of my CPU00:29
Funnyfaceor was..00:29
FunnyfaceI guess that's why my battery died in a few hours today00:30
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: now that we have those intl OSS celebrities a ping away, don't you think we could get somewhat better more open docs about the modem?00:30
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aepany idea how i can install a different font on the n900? the default one lacks half unicode00:37
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pupnikCERN energy to ramp up to record levels march 30.  make your peace with God now ;)00:40
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nidO"record levels" is a bit defunct though seeing as every time they turn the thing on it's at record levels, theyre just going to exceed their own record level even more :p00:42
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crashanddiepupnik: God can suck my c...00:42
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cehteh.. my favorite theme .. imagine the LHC creates a black hole which sucks the earth into it ...00:44
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cehtehthe poor guys at the ISS :)00:44
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jacekowskithey would be sucked in as well00:44
Shapeshifter"who turned off the earth"?00:44
cehtehnah a physicist explained me they will be grilled in radiation00:44
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Shapeshiftergood thing that wont happen00:45
nidOtheyd follow the earth right into the black hole00:45
cehtehbut still ... funny thing for a novel ... you look out of the iss window and find yourself orbiting a black hole :)00:45
nidOradiation would get them if they stayed where they are, but they wouldnt00:45
jacekowskicehteh: they woule be sucked in00:45
jacekowskicehteh: maybe if they would be couple million kilometers away00:45
Kegetysif the earth would turn into a black hole, it would still have the same mass so why would the ISS orbit change in any way?00:46
cehtehwell a black hole can not have stronger gravity than earth .. and it has a much smaller diameter, i tinhk they will rather be catapulted into space00:46
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dmj726_n9001diameter doesn't matter00:46
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jacekowskiyou might be right00:46
cehtehbesides that what the physicist told me that a lot mass is turned into radiation and ejected00:47
dmj726_n9001they would just keeporbiting00:47
Shapeshifterafaik, dmj726_n9001 is right.00:47
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Shapeshifterin any case, that wont happen.00:47
Kegetysand, even if a black hole would be created, why would the earth get sucked into it00:47
dmj726_n9001...the radiation might be an issue though.00:47
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cehtehand if it happens we dont care right? :)00:47
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Shapeshifterif it did happen, which it will not, we wouldn't care, that's right.00:48
Kegetysthe black hole would have the same mass, and therefore the same gravity as the particles that formed it00:48
dmj726_n9001though even without the radiation the people on the iss would starve eventually.00:48
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Kegetysthe earth's magnetic field provides protection from the interstellar radiation though and I guess that would be gone which would be bad for the ISS people00:49
cehtehanother theme: seti receives a broadcasts of some foreign civilization 4 lightyears ago which are similar to ours .. turning on a lhc like experiment little earlier ... we do too .. and then discover some day that there is a black hole where their messages came from :)00:49
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dmj726_n9001so it's just a matter of how long it takes to die and how painful it is.00:49
Shapeshifterlol 4 lightyears00:50
cehtehclosest stars are about 4 lightyears away .. but well say 1200:50
dmj726_n9001they're from alpha centauri00:50
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cehtehdmj726_n9001: if the earth collapses into a black hole it would be exponential in speed, when you notice you are already varporized00:52
* javispedro tries to guess the topic... vi vs emacs?00:52
cehtehwithout hawking radiation the first grow of a black hole might take thousands of years, unnoticed00:52
cehtehthere are already some theories that the core of the earth may already catched such micro black holes (no i dont believe them)00:53
ShapeshifterI believe, micro black holes are the cause of random n900 reboots.00:54
cehtehthe chances that such a sub-particle sized black hole catches another particle and grow are very very small .. but each time it does it gets a slightly better chance to catch the next one00:55
Shapeshifteralso, nokia is to blame for that.00:55
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cehtehpossibly :)00:55
cehtehwell my new device doesnt have the reboot problem00:55
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: nope, actually ISS would simply continue to orbit the singularity00:55
cehtehmy first one from december had that .. i'D urge anyone who sees even a random reboot once a week to get a exchange00:56
cehtehDocScrutinizer: well .. apart the radiation thing ...00:56
ShapeshifterWell I don't know how these super small black holes should work anyway (because they don't, they can't even form, and if they would for some strange reason, they'd disintegrate immediately); like, the smalles known black hole to man is roughly 3.8 times the mass of our sun.00:57
DocScrutinizeryup, actually I replied during reading the backscroll - stupid00:57
Shapeshiftera black hole with only the mass of earth, or even just the mass of some particles in a collider...00:57
DocScrutinizerwould desintegrate in nanoseconds00:57
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cehtehyeah i saied imagine they wont desintegrate ..00:58
Shapeshifterit's just sad that people can be intimidated like this00:58
cehtehwell nothing to care about .. in either way00:58
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer, assuming hawking radiation correctly describes black holes.00:59
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SpeedEvilhowever - natural collisions of similar energy...01:00
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SpeedEvilTrivia: A 600 ton black hole evaporates in one second.01:00
DocScrutinizerbut we have no better explanation for the fact there are actually so *few* of them, despite the fact there's cosmic particles far beyond the energy Cern LHC ever can reach01:01
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DocScrutinizeryeah you've been faster on typing "natural collisions" ;-P01:02
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SpeedEvilI've been using n900 most of today.01:03
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cehtehreally nothing to worry .. we have the technology to erradiate mankind since 65 years now without much doubt .. the LHC should be our least concern anyways01:03
SpeedEvilAs I'm backing up my laptop hd prior to RMA.01:03
SpeedEvilAnd mhy typing is getting a bit faster .01:04
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DocScrutinizer51and I'm going to use it now, in the pub with a nice beer in front of me ;-D01:04
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Jef91is there a way I can have my easy debian use a different window manager other than lxde?01:09
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lcukits oh so quiet01:24
DyresenCan I expect to be able to flash my N900 and run meego next week? :)01:24
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C-S-B-N900probably not, but someone will port.01:25
noobmonk3ynext week, lol01:25
* noobmonk3y chuckles01:25
nidOprobably* but dont expect an even remotely working or usable phone01:25
javispedrobut why not? one of the meego gods told us he used meego daily!!! :'( ;)01:26
DyresenOk, so no official support of meego for N900?01:26
C-S-B-N900not yet01:26
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C-S-B-N900if ever01:26
C-S-B-N900but community will fill in gap01:27
nidOwell next week is the very first early development release, so in a word, lolno.01:27
DyresenOk, gues it's bye bye Nokia for me then.01:27
noobmonk3yDyresen? ... when did they announce meego?01:27
javispedromore importantly.01:27
GAN900javispedro, never did get a real answer to what, exactly, that meant.01:27
javispedrowhy do you want MeeGo?01:27
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* noobmonk3y chuckles again01:28
trip0if the n900 won't run meego 5.0, i'm not interested01:28
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nidOits "bye nokia" because the very first development meego release that isnt in any way whatsoever intended or ready for production use on anything, wont be on your n900?01:28
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C-S-B-N900because the grass is ALWAYSING greener01:28
trip0i wouldn't want the first meego on my n90001:28
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nidOnor would I other than to hack about with when im having a quiet day at work then reflash in the afternoon, im happy with a phone I can use.01:29
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trip0not until it's a stable platform anyway.  and my that time, I will have dropped my n900 in the toilet or my kid will have eaten it01:29
DyresennidO: No but it will be bye bye if they don't support N900.01:29
javispedroGAN900: yeah :( my guess: "only some components of fremantle replace with meego's"01:29
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javispedroDyresen: why do you want MeeGo?01:30
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trip0i think we know that the n900 will be a dev platform for meego01:30
noobmonk3yDyresen - why do you want meego so much?01:30
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noobmonk3ydoh: ditto to javis01:30
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C-S-B-N900hey doc01:31
nidOmore to the point, why do you want meego *right the hell now*? even when it does start hitting the shelves on devices, what makes you think it's going to be any better than maemo 6 months down the line will be, or have a greater app availability?01:31
pupnikirssi on n900 has an exploit01:31
C-S-B-N900o rly01:31
C-S-B-N900more info?01:31
javispedroquick, dispatch the maemo security team!01:32
pupnikjust a dos01:32
* javispedro can hear the black helicopters already01:32
DyresennidO: I sure hope it will get better app availability01:32
anotnacwhat is this new software coming to n900 what jussi makinen posted on twitter about01:32
pupnik00:25 < Darff>  HeLLO  ?ADCC SEND01:32
javispedroanotnac: PR1.201:32
nidOfrom day one? you're whistling in the wind.01:32
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anotnac herrtes link01:32
DyresennidO: noone said it will have it from day one.01:32
anotnacits app or something01:32
nidOyou seem to be demanding it.01:32
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DyresennidO: no, thats just how you read into it.01:33
DyresenIm just asking of N900 will be suported.01:33
javispedroN900 IS supported, there's a Fremantle update coming soon and another in the works.01:33
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pupnikhmm i hope that was filtered01:33
anotnacyou read it guys i dont see much details so not sure what it is01:33
javispedroBut MeeGo--- why01:34
nidOwell actually your response to whether itll be supported *next week* by the very first alpha development release was "bye nokia"01:34
javispedroit won't have MMS, it might not have video calling, etc etc.01:34
Dyresenyeah that actually would be the best01:34
javispedrowhile on the other side we know that Fremantle has MMS _now_ and some more video calling in PR1.2.01:34
DocScrutinizer51wonder if I have to curse 3G in general, r my provider, or N900 or freenode. constant ping timeouts :-(01:35
nidOid go with your provider01:35
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GAN900I wish microb could remember http passwords01:36
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* javispedro remembers that palmos remember ONLY 401 passwords, and ignored html forms01:37
trip0fremantle has MMS?01:37
trip0i didn't think it was ever going to get it?01:37
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javispedroin the form of fMMS :)01:37
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GAN900It works great01:37
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* GAN900 really wants an Indigo applications.01:37
trip0MMS was one of my buddy's "killer feature" for a phone01:37
trip0i personally think it's a dated tech01:38
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javispedrouh, not in -stable?01:39
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GAN900Not so far as I know01:40
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GAN900Some bugs01:40
GAN900Mostly cosmetic01:40
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openstandardshi all :)01:42
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trip0what's going on with fennec these days?01:44
trip0is it usable yet?01:44
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dmj726_n9001seems usable, though I'm not sure I'd prefer it yet.01:45
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dmj726_n9001I would pick it over an iphone or android browser.01:46
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dmj726_n9001As an aside, they stopped work on the winmo version of fennec.01:46
openstandardsdoes anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh?01:46
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SpeedEvilopenstandards, rsync01:47
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nidOI have it as a backup option, all I really need for it's ssh and a browser though01:47
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C-S-B-N900whats that nidO i seemed to have just been power magemented out...01:49
C-S-B-N900im intrigued.01:49
nidO[23:46] <openstandards> does anyone do any system administration from their n900 if so do you use any other apps other than ssh?01:49
SpeedEvilsomeone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy01:49
javispedrofAPN should be a control panel applet, really.01:50
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openstandardsits lovely being able to ssh in and issue proper commands i love it01:50
SpeedEvilsomeone did an ISO fake cd thing, which would be handy01:50
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C-S-B-N900nid0 ssh and rdesktop01:50
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pupnikanyone here got VIcE working?01:50
nidOmy e90 was better for system administration though01:50
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nidOby a long way01:50
openstandardsnidO, how so01:51
ds3hehe -
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nidOinfinitely better keyboard. not just a little bit less akward to use, its not even in the same class.01:51
nidOfull size proper massive keyboard with character keys, no assing around with fn buttons just to get a forwardslash.01:52
tremnite all, sweet dreams01:52
nidOthat, and putty has a version for symbian, so easy to just port all my stored hosts across from my workstation and connect to em directly01:53
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nidOand its prettier :)01:54
openstandardsyeah i never got putty working for my e6501:54
C-S-B-N900.ssh/.config might helpful for storing hosts.01:54
nidOsure, its useful to add them, but I have like 90.01:54
C-S-B-N900ignore the swcond .01:55
nidOwith putty on symbian it's just a copypasta from my desktop rather than having to re-add 90-odd hosts by hand01:55
C-S-B-N900oh christ, your point about the keyboard is being probed01:55
openstandardsis it possible to copy and paste from the browser?01:55
nidOe90's keyboard is an absolute dream01:55
C-S-B-N900move your cursor bottom left to get a cursor.01:56
openstandardshow do you select the yext thou01:56
C-S-B-N900finger even.01:56
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C-S-B-N900lol at all the typos!01:56
C-S-B-N900i can see people training there muscles to use the n900 kb.01:57
C-S-B-N900and having fails.01:57
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C-S-B-N900openstandards: how you getting on with the cp and paste?01:58
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nidOmy dream's still that nokia release an e-series meego device with the same form factor as an e9001:58
nidObuy that baby the day it's available01:59
openstandardsfailing :)01:59
C-S-B-N900bit big though?01:59
ShadowJKit's supposed to be big to show off01:59
nidOits tall yeah, useful for posing though01:59
nidObut its height and being a clamshell is what allows it to have such a perfect keyboard02:00
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ShadowJKe90 is the SUV of phones: heavy, big, inefficient, expensive02:00
C-S-B-N900wouldn't netbook fill that void?02:00
nidOe90 fits in a pocket and is a phone02:00
nidOnetbooks are neither02:00
C-S-B-N900the sony p series for example02:00
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crashanddiebest keyboard is still on most blackberries02:01
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C-S-B-N900but then you oqn a blackberry02:01
nidOwhereas an e90 with updated hardware and a non symbian os basically *is* a netbook, with about as good a keyboard, that can fit in your pocket and make phone calls.02:01
C-S-B-N900fm kb02:01
crashanddieheh... My point exactly?02:01
crashanddieowning a blackberry isn't a bad thing -- only for business use though.02:02
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ShadowJKI think the next communicator, if any, would still be symbian.. backwards compat for enterprise/business users..02:02
C-S-B-N900i know too many twats with them.02:03
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crashanddieWriting a long email on a blackberry isn't an issue. The UI keeps up, spellcheck is on-par, extremely responsive02:03
nidOyes im afraid of that as well, or that nokia will kill the communicator series now02:03
nidOseeing as commercially at least the e90 was a flop thanks to nokia regressing the os02:03
C-S-B-N900i think theres a real market for linux admin geek phones.02:03
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openstandardsi just hope nokia understand that alot of their users want better calendar support....etc02:04
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nidOif they do release another communicator theyd probably have to be less over the top with the hardware anyway02:05
nidOI think these days a £750 phone is gonna be a real hard sell.02:05
C-S-B-N900i think they should make the hw more open. an ultimate hacker phone.02:05
openstandardsC-S-B-N900, won't work won't make enough money....look at the freerunner that pretty much flopped02:06
C-S-B-N900like the n900, if they deliver im sure the community will pick up the rest.02:06
trip0freerunner suffered things other than being open source02:07
C-S-B-N900freerunner is not in the shopfront with nokia behind it.02:07
trip0ie, an only partially working stack02:07
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nidOno "ultimate hacker phone" aimed squarely at geeks is going to be in the shopfront02:07
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C-S-B-N900n900 is fairly under utilised by any else02:08
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openstandardsC-S-B-N900, the n900 seems like a good bridge give it to a geek and they will divorce their partner :02:09
nidOI got my n900 and my girlfriend steals it all the time to play blubbels02:09
openstandardsand shes still your girlfriend? :P02:09
C-S-B-N900first time my gf touched it, she dropped it.02:10
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openstandardsyikes.... i've dropped mine enough02:10
pupnikit should really sell to folks who want a good browser also02:10
nidOmine has it on threat of snapping her hd2 in half to be careful with mine02:10
ds3C-S-B-N900: is she still your gf? ;)02:10
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crashanddie<C-S-B-N900> first time my gf touched it, she dropped it. <-- quoted02:11
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openstandardsif the n900 had more enterprise features it would be alot better than it currently is02:11
crashanddieWell, for specific people, not everyone02:11
C-S-B-N900yeah, i forgave her. shes not touched it since.02:11
Robot101more quote fodder02:12
crashanddieC-S-B-N900: I think that in order to qualify as your girlfriend, she needs to /touch it/ every once in a while02:12
C-S-B-N900saying that im on n900 no. 3. this is my baby.02:12
crashanddieRobot101: glad you're seeing it too02:12
* C-S-B-N900 is fully aware...02:13
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* noobmonk3y smiles :D02:14
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C-S-B-N900anyone had luck with the infrared remote control app?02:16
nidOhalf of the remote profiles seem to do bugger all though02:16
C-S-B-N900i have a shit crt here and it ignores me.02:17
silverbulletyes it worked for me02:17
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nidOI managed to cobble something together for my tv from various similar profiles, but its total pot luck as to whether the profile you want will actually do anything02:17
C-S-B-N900and whines like a bitch02:17
SpeedEvilanyone seen since pr 1.1.1 the virtual keyboard not popping up in textfields?02:17
C-S-B-N900silverbullet: what kind of range are you getting?02:18
nidOSpeedEvil iv had no problems with it02:18
nidOdont use it much but when I do it works02:18
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C-S-B-N900virtual kb seems like asking for trouble?02:18
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silverbulletspeedevil, it sometimes is slow in coming up, and sometimes on  a regular use, it fails to show on just 1 click, i have to touch many times on a text field to have it open02:19
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silverbulletcsb, i dont know about the range stuff, i have toshiba tv, and from the download remote area, i selceted toshiba and just randomly selected seom tv remote and it worked, all buttons that i added02:20
toolscool - im using irssi on a remote system with my new n900 :-)02:20
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silverbulleti'm using qtirreco02:21
C-S-B-N900silverbullet: well how far are you sat from your tv?02:21
C-S-B-N900like usuable distance?02:21
silverbulletabout 9 feet i think02:21
* noobmonk3y has never got the ir working :(02:21
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nidOprobably using a duff remote profile02:22
silverbulletnoobmonk3y have u used qtirreco ?02:22
C-S-B-N900might be good alt. to a harmony.02:22
SpeedEvilsilverbullet, hmm. not working at all. odd.02:22
nidOit would be a great alternative if the remote profiles all just worked properly and there were more of them02:22
noobmonk3yyeah silverbullet - tried on 3 tv's - none officially on the lists - but tried the random similar models, never got it working02:22
C-S-B-N900my tv is an lg lcd but im home staying at the mother in laws and her tv is ancient. i cant find anything that works.02:23
noobmonk3yi have a wharfdale in my room, none on there :( but still no others work with it02:23
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nidOmy yamaha separates are a no-go with gtirreco too02:23
nidOthough I got it going for my tv, mostly02:23
C-S-B-N900id really like it to work.02:24
silverbulleti thought the *download remote* had a pretty comprehensive list of makes and models02:24
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noobmonk3yhmmmm none of mine ;)02:24
nidOit has a fair few, but its in no way comprehensive02:24
nidOand half of them dont work02:24
C-S-B-N900but saying that it prob would work on *my* tv.02:25
noobmonk3yi do have 3 oddish tv's i suppose02:25
noobmonk3ybut all under 3 years old02:25
nidOdont work as in = properly messed up, and result in the ir tx not even doing anything when you press the buttons02:25
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noobmonk3ynidO - nothing, no sign of life......02:25
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noobmonk3yooooo nice split!!!02:29
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ab_whats this split msg about ?02:31
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noobmonk3yservers split :D02:31
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nidOthat one's pretty huge02:31
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noobmonk3yso half the room vanish, and rejoin when the servers talk to each other02:31
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noobmonk3yyou all join on different servers02:32
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noobmonk3yso if one looses touch with another, it is called a split02:32
noobmonk3ywoah welcome back split surfers02:32
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nidOid almost say it was us that split :<02:32
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silverbulleti think its the tremors of pr 1.2 !!!!!02:33
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noobmonk3yyup,, twas a tsunami net split.....02:33
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noobmonk3ylol silverbullet02:33
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noobmonk3yshhhhhhhhhhh dont say those numbers out loud02:33
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noobmonk3ytrolls come hunting02:33
nidOnoobmonk3y did you see the video of that woman who got pushed along the a1 sideways in her car by a lorry for ages?02:33
* noobmonk3y whispers meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gooooooooooooooooo02:33
noobmonk3yomfg, yeah02:33
C-S-B-N900in fact my version of irreco says cannot parse response when downloading remotes?02:34
noobmonk3ywas fcuked up02:34
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nidOworst lorry driver in the world ever02:34
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C-S-B-N900i saw that02:34
noobmonk3yreally do not beleive he didnt notice?!02:34
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pupnikmaybe she was his ex02:34
C-S-B-N900how the hell did the car get there sidewards?02:34
Myrttimaybe you need to find a better hobby than IRC02:34
nidOthe lorry clipped the side of her car02:35
noobmonk3yright anyway, bed time02:35
noobmonk3ynights alls02:35
silverbullethow do u all know the same video ??/02:35
nidObasically an accidental pitt maneuver02:35
noobmonk3ysilverbullet on the news02:35
nidOsilverbullet it's been all over the news in the uk02:35
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silverbulletu all in uk02:35
noobmonk3ywe is a small country, innit02:35
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noobmonk3ynational news = village news ;)02:35
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* noobmonk3y was in the news once :D02:35
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noobmonk3ywas providing IT feedback to a section they did on bbc local news :D02:36
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* noobmonk3y eats more air.....bed time! lol02:36
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silverbulletmy time just started. just came to office its morning at my side02:37
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crashanddienidO: then again, a baby getting mistreated was "all over the news" in the UK for nearly a year02:40
crashanddienidO: up to a point where TDM and Metro had a page, with the same picture and layout every day for nearly two weeks. Page 7 IIRC.02:41
crashanddieonly the text would change a bit02:41
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nidOI dont see the connection :p02:41
crashanddieUK news is famously poor02:42
crashanddieexcept for BBC, obviously.02:42
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nidOtabloid news is, ofc, I wouldnt ever dispute that02:42
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crashanddiebuon giorno sergio__ !02:43
Dyresen1:43 AM Good night!02:43
sergio__ciao a tutti02:43
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crashanddiee mattina, per quanto posso osservare02:44
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sergio__di dove siete?02:44
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sergio__che canale è questo?02:44
silverbulletwhat lang is that02:45
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crashanddiesergio__: #maemo02:45
sergio__where are u from'02:45
njsf_ciao crashanddie02:45
crashanddieaustralia :)02:45
sergio__ma funzionano le query?02:46
sergio__non mi risp nessuno :D02:46
silverbulleti'm planning to visit rome in september ...02:46
silverbulleti'm searching on internet for affordable hotels/rooms to rent02:46
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njsf_silverbullet: if you are alone, with young friends you could try youth hostels02:48
njsf_in Europe usually a fair deal02:48
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crashanddieyeah, just go for backpackers02:48
silverbulletyea i will be alone02:48
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silverbulletits absolutely safe in youth hostels :) ?02:48
jacekowskidoes anybody know a place where i can buy 32G microSD card?02:48
crashanddieIf you don't need the luxury of a hotel, you can usually find places for $20 a  night02:49
jacekowskiand is n900 going to take it?02:49
silverbulletjackowski check this
nidOprobably nowhere yet as they were released like 2 days ago literally02:49
nidOand it should do02:49
crashanddiesilverbullet: depends, are you a chick wearing short skirts and showing off a nice neckline? Or a bearded guy who showers every 3 days?02:49
jacekowskisilverbullet: if you go to cheapest one it might not be as clean as you might expect02:49
njsf_yeah phys interface is same, Linux supports FAT32, you're all set02:49
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silverbulleti'm just a simple guy who does carry a n900 and uses it a lot, i think that doesnt attract theft02:50
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jacekowskisilverbullet: i was more interested in advice where to get one02:51
jacekowskisilverbullet: get it insured02:52
jacekowskisilverbullet: where do you live?02:52
crashanddiepre order, but should come out soon02:52
jacekowskicrashanddie: i need it now02:52
jacekowskibecause i run out of space npw02:52
crashanddieyou  don't need anything02:52
jacekowskinot soon02:52
crashanddieyou want it02:52
nidOif you need it now02:52
nidOthen you're shit out of luck02:52
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nidOthe things were released literally this week02:53
nidOthey dont get on shop shelves that fast02:53
silverbulleti was reading that post02:53
jacekowski64G would be nice02:53
crashanddiejacekowski: just buy two 16GB?02:53
silverbulleti thought it may have some info related to that02:53
jacekowskicrashanddie: N900 is not going to take them02:53
crashanddieN900 doesn't support 16GB? That's news02:53
jacekowskicrashanddie: well it supports 1x16G02:54
silverbulletit does i'm sure02:54
crashanddiemy point exactly :)02:54
jacekowskicrashanddie: 2x16G is not going to happen02:54
silverbulletat the same time02:54
jacekowskithat's why i want 32G02:54
jacekowskior 6402:54
jacekowskior 12802:54
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nidOwell, realistically you can expect to get a 32 in a month or two02:55
jacekowskii'm just wondering where it will go from now02:55
nidOprobably nearer 202:55
jacekowskiphysicaly bigger card02:55
jacekowskior multiple slots02:55
jacekowskior it will just stay at 32G or whatever physical limitation is02:55
nidOphysical limitation only === as good as the current tech is02:56
jacekowskithat's what's limiting CPU power consumption and size at the moment02:56
jacekowskianything smaller would need much lower voltage02:56
SpeedEvilexpect 128g microsds 2012ish02:56
jacekowskibecause you would get microsparks inside transistors02:56
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SpeedEviljacekowski, current SDs already run the RAM lower voltage than the IO02:57
crashanddieyay! Nanoparticles completely remove cancer cells in human trial!02:57
crashanddieLET'S ALL HAVE A FAG, SHALL WE?02:57
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crashanddieGAN900: start smoking02:58
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but there are lower voltage limits02:58
GAN900Too expensive02:58
SpeedEviljacekowski, ?02:58
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crashanddieGAN900: well, you can be sure that prices are going to drop dramatically02:58
crashanddieif this pans out02:58
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: i mean you can't go too low with voltage02:58
crashanddieno cancer anymore, no need for taxing the fags02:59
SpeedEviljacekowski, the flash chip has lower core voltage. This is not exposed to the world in SDsx02:59
nidOoh yeah cos the health risks are the only reason the govt levies such a stupid tax on luxury items02:59
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: yeah and how low that voltage is limited by physics02:59
crashanddienidO: mainly, yeah02:59
nidOdid cider suddenly get more deadly this year?02:59
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: and same physics limit high limit as well02:59
nidOcos tax on it just went up by 10%02:59
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: and smaller it get's higher limits go lower03:00
nidOoh wait, the tax is there to fill the govt coffers and nothing else03:00
crashanddienidO: hey, if they lower on smokes, they can increase taxes on booze all they want03:00
SpeedEviljacekowski, geometry looks like the current limit, not voltage.03:00
crashanddienidO: I'm paying $15 a pack here :P03:00
SpeedEviljacekowski, sure, voltages change with geomtry. Sp what?03:00
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: i've read that with current cpus it's voltage problem that insulators aren't good enough at that sizes/voltages03:01
crashanddiejacekowski: smaller wires support smaller voltages, news at eleven?03:01
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nidOpersonally I dont smoke, but a long and difficult new process that might possibly cure cancer != tax on cigs being abolished.03:01
jacekowskicrashanddie: smaller wire == smaller distance between wires03:01
jacekowskicrashanddie: == less insulation03:01
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crashanddiein what world does smaller wire == smaller distance between?03:02
jacekowskisilicon world03:02
crashanddieno, smaller wire means smaller wire, whether you want to put them closer together is your problem, not the wire's03:02
jacekowskibecause it means smaller transistors at the same time03:02
SpeedEviljacekowski, the major current problem is simply photolithography. and squeezing the geometries.03:02
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jacekowskisleep time03:03
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: yep, you get voltage gradients where little sparks jump between the 35nm structures at 5V03:03
crashanddieI'm bored at work03:05
crashanddieanyone have an idea for an app I could code?03:05
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silverbulleti'm bored too03:05
SpeedEvilcrashanddie, a levelfinding app.03:05
silverbullethey since u mentioned coding03:05
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ds3a simple GPS logging/way point app a la the early GPS's03:06
silverbulleti couldnt find a place to download a verion of qt creator that has madde integration for windows :(03:06
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie, wander round a site, taking multiple pictures. Make a 3d model, using them, and use the accel when03:06
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silverbulletthere is one but not easy to loacte, and maybe i'm dyslexic :)03:06
crashanddieSpeedEvil: I said I was bored, not that I wanted ideas for a PhD in applied mathematics!03:06
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SpeedEvilpictures were taken to work out the level of ground. To help with leveling earth and stuff.03:07
crashanddieSpeedEvil: I suck at that kind of stuff... I'm more into small but powerful apps03:07
SpeedEvilA shift-indicator on the led03:07
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SpeedEvilshowing if you're in shift or shift lock mode.03:08
ds3crashanddie: a simple GPS app!03:08
silverbulletSpeedEvil what do u do ?03:08
SpeedEvilsilverbullet, not much.03:08
SpeedEvilcrashanddie, or a thing to poll gps once an hour (or more often if plugged in) to keep the fix fresh.03:09
SpeedEvilcrashanddie, Or, something to enable €cel-tap detection.03:10
silverbulletumm u talk like electrical engineers :)03:11
silverbulletumm some of my friends :)03:11
SpeedEvilfor right button.03:11
SpeedEvilsilverbullet, not currently employed. Am interested in field.03:11
crashanddieelectrical engineers are brutes, barbarians. They yield 200 amps and thousands of volts as if it were a walk in the park03:12
silverbulletreally ?03:12
crashanddieelectronics engineers are pussies. They work with fractions of amps, single-digit volts03:12
silverbulletlike we coders do with code :P03:12
silverbulletboth of u r engineers!!! i guess03:13
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: (shift indicator led) you STOLE my idea!!03:13
crashanddieDocScrutinizer51: patent it03:13
SpeedEvilI don't recall mention of it.03:13
crashanddieDocScrutinizer51: but I'm guessing that prior art would bum you quite a bit03:13
DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: did that 198703:14
crashanddieDocScrutinizer51: look at your desktop's keyboard...03:14
DocScrutinizer51they stole it too XP03:14
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DocScrutinizer51nah, honestly - a indicator LED 'pattern' showing shift anf Fn and ctrl both onetime and lock  that'd be mad useful03:16
cehtehextra leds (3color!) under each key :P03:20
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DocScrutinizer51heh, we actually got 6 individually controlable LED under the kbd03:22
DocScrutinizer51alas only white03:22
cehtehyeah and not well differentiated they blur into each other03:22
DocScrutinizer51and aren't visible in normal daylight03:23
pupniksoftware controllable DocScrutinizer51 ?  lets animate em in a wave pattern03:24
DocScrutinizer51indicator LED would match better what we need for 'capslock' LED03:24
DocScrutinizer51pupnik: SpeedEvil did that03:24
DocScrutinizer51get his script03:25
cehtehno dbus singnals for keylocks (i didnt really expect it)03:25
cehtehthat would be too simple :P03:25
SpeedEvilhmm. point.03:25
pupnikwhere is script SpeedEvil ?03:25
crashanddiecan we access skype from telepathy?03:25
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: :-/03:25
SpeedEvilkeyboard isn't very visible03:25
SpeedEvilpupnik, diddn't save.03:25
SpeedEvilgrep logs for speedevil.*bright03:26
DocScrutinizer51(wah. pub closing)03:26
cehtehmhm locking caps or fn shows this banner .. that must be catchable somewhere03:27
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cehtehbut there is definately no unlock message03:27
cehtehgetting the led blink when battery is low was easy, but this might be harder03:28
DocScrutinizer51quote from next one left: fsck books - can't grep them03:28
cehteh(and i dont really need it, i can remember the state)03:28
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cehtehDocScrutinizer: do you have an idea how much mA the vibrator draws?03:29
DocScrutinizer51I *love* OM-HW headquarters pub03:30
cehtehmy guessimate would be somewhere between 50-250 .. but i am not good at guessing that03:30
SpeedEvil50 is probably closer.03:31
SpeedEvilllooking for controllable load?03:31
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: vibr is expesive03:32
SpeedEvilflashlight - 100mA or so03:32
DocScrutinizer51I guess some 100s03:32
cehtehnope, i yesterday had the idea of a long lasting pattern (30 minutes) giving short ticks (50ms) every 10-30 secs03:32
cehtehfor notification03:32
cehtehbut well i played with that and one doesnt really notice short vibrates03:33
DocScrutinizer51no problem03:33
cehtehmaybe 250ms or longer but more infrequent is better03:33
DocScrutinizer51will run some days from a charged bat03:33
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cehtehtoo short03:34
DocScrutinizer51assume 300mA. 1s per 30s is an avrg of 1003:35
cehteheh that was already tewaked ... well lemme try03:35
cehteh# OnPeriod time in milliseconds03:36
cehteh# BreakPeriod time in milliseconds03:36
cehteh# OffPeriod time in milliseconds03:36
cehtehwhats 'BreakPeriod'03:37
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DocScrutinizer51no idea03:37
cehtehaccelerate is a short full power kick to unstuck the motor btw03:38
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cehtehjust in case you wonder about that :P03:39
cehteh  .. lemme try that03:39
DocScrutinizer51break might mean 'short the pins to make motor stop'03:39
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cehtehi have it at 0 now lemme see03:40
* DocScrutinizer51 wishes mce itself was as configurable as the vibr is03:40
cehtehor even opensource03:41
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cehtehyes break might be the motor brake .. lemme try03:41
cehtehit is03:42
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crashanddiedo you need to restart a service after modifying mce.ini?03:52
DocScrutinizeriirc yes03:53
DocScrutinizerwiki has some comment on tha iirc03:53
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crashanddiehere's my idea03:56
crashanddieupon receiving an sms/IM03:56
crashanddiehave the led morse-code-display the contents of the sms03:56
DocScrutinizeralso prior art XP03:57
crashanddiewho gives a fuck?03:57
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DocScrutinizerwho knows Morse?03:58
DocScrutinizerNokia standard SMS notification ... -- ...03:58
DocScrutinizerI still failed to manage to decode the long pattern from old 6210 yet03:59
crashanddie..   -.- -. --- .--   -- --- .-. ... .03:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, to lazy to dig out my mores cmdline04:01
silverbulletmorse code !!04:01
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DocScrutinizermorse even04:01
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crashanddieanyway, lunch time04:01
torrancewhas anyone had trouble with some bash scripts on maemo 5?04:01
torrancewspecifically, the =~ operator?04:02
crashanddietorrancew: did you install bash?04:03
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crashanddietorrancew: by default the shell isn't bash04:03
torrancewyeah, bash is on there04:04
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: there's no way you didn't do that without a converter04:04
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crashanddiemorse code broke everything!04:05
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silverbullethappening every hour i think04:09
torrancewDocScrutinizer: happens when a server tanks, i believe04:09
DocScrutinizeryeah, noticed strange problems last few hours04:09
silverbulletas i said be 4 to someone ... pr 1.2 tremors :)04:10
torrancewthey've been getting spam waves a good bit lately04:10
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DocScrutinizergood part is ircd-7 seems to cope with such crap rather conveniently04:11
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DocScrutinizeronly problem : it comes to a grinding halt on rejecting all the junk flood04:12
pupnikpygame doesnt see enter key04:12
pupnikdoes n900 still send it as kp-enter?04:12
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cehtehstill? .. unchangeable because of some crap :P04:17
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cehtehsome apps expect hardcoded kp-enter now .. from the closed source league04:17
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silverbullethey can anyone tell me how to specify a http proxy to the microb? ?04:31
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silverbulleti'm already on an usb network and ping both ways and ssh too ... using win704:32
silverbulletwub be cool if i can just ask micro be to use the proxy server on my pc04:32
DocScrutinizeryou googled?04:34
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silverbulleti have searched and read the forums few times be 404:34
silverbulletbut not before asking this question here today04:34
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cehtehsilverbullet: connection settings04:37
silverbulleti'm checking about:config right now .. lots of proxy setting there04:38
silverbullethave to set the right one and not mess up04:38
cehtehconnection setting of the device04:38
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cehtehnot in microb04:38
cehtehwhere you configure wlan and so on04:38
silverbulletinternet connections ?04:38
silverbulletyes that is internet connections04:39
cehtehgo figure04:39
silverbulletwhat entry should I select ?04:39
cehtehyour connection .. extended preferences ..04:39
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silverbulletwait a sec04:40
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silverbulletenteries there r only "cellular data" and a bunch of wireless connections04:41
silverbulletshould i just click on new04:41
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silverbulletnew only lets me configure a new WLAN connection04:41
silverbulletbut i'm ona usb networking mode right now04:42
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cehtehisnt your usb network listed there?04:43
cehtehthen i dont know04:44
silverbulletwhile the usb network is on, is it supposed to be there in the "select connection" list ?04:44
* DigitalPioneer points to pc connectivity manager04:44
DigitalPioneerwill show up in settings04:45
silverbulletit doesnt04:45
silverbulletwhat name ?04:45
DigitalPioneerapp manager -> install pc connectivity manager04:45
silverbulletthats installed04:45
silverbulletthats how i am setting my ip is of n900, and pc gets
silverbulletboth ways ping is a success, can use ssh also.04:46
silverbulletusing win704:46
DigitalPioneersettings - connections section -last entry PC_connectivity manager04:46
silverbulletthe last entry is the wifi network that i last used on an airport04:47
DigitalPioneerhmm ok, no proxy setting there04:49
DigitalPioneerI'd guess microb uing $envs like any other sane http-browser04:53
silverbulletr u familiar with about:config04:53
silverbulletthere is a setting to specify http proxy and port04:53
silverbulleti did that04:53
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silverbulletand still when i want to browse something it bring up that "select connection" list04:54
silverbulletit should just goto my pc's proxy server! whats so complicated here04:54
silverbulletdoes about:config requires a device reboot :p04:54
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sp3000are you using usb connection or something? I guess you could use seom dummy connection then to satisfy that bit04:55
sp3000I don't quite recall how that works04:55
cehtehi wont touch about:config on microb unless absolutely necessary04:56
cehtehmicrob is but different04:56
silverbulletyea i'm on a usb network with my pc running win7. I can ping both ways and can use ssh as well.04:56
cehtehas in it runs a browserd daemon which you likely have to restart04:57
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silverbulletnow i have a lil proxy server running on the 8080 port on my pc, i just want microb to do me a favor and use that sweet port ip:port to bring the pages down to me from the web04:57
cehtehwhy do you need the proxy server?04:58
cehtehno routing?04:58
silverbulleti dont know04:58
silverbulletthere meaybe something wron with the win 7 :)04:58
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silverbulletcuz linux guys on the forums have no problem using internet through the usb networking04:58
silverbulletok tell me about routing04:58
cehtehwell you need routing and nat04:58
silverbullethow do i try that04:58
cehteh(or transpareant proxying)04:59
cehtehwell .. go to click install and be happy04:59
silverbulletdo u know anything about pref.js ?05:00
silverbulletwhere is located05:00
cehteh /home/user/.mozilla prolly .. but microb is different!05:01
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cehtehbetter get your network working05:02
silverbulletits already working no ?05:02
cehtehi bet you cant ping other ip's from the n900 than the laptop05:02
silverbulleti can ping05:02
cehtehother ones?05:02
cehtehnot the laptop05:02
silverbulletu mean yahoo.com05:02
silverbulletping ?05:02
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cehtehthats a prerequisite and windows network setup05:02
cehtehyes for example05:02
silverbulletu r right05:03
cehtehor or google.com05:03
cehtehso fix the windows networking settings05:03
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cehtehiirc its named 'connection sharing' in windows ..05:03
cehtehat least someone told me thats it in XP ... i never used XP05:03
silverbulletyea i have done all the research about that :)05:04
* cehteh left windows more than 10 years ago05:04
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silverbulleton win 7 when u do connection sharing05:04
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silverbulletit assigns its own rubbish ip address to the adapter that wants to share the connection05:04
silverbulletand the network doesnt work05:04
cehtehwell thats not *my* problem :P05:04
LiraNunaI'm playing around in scratchbox and qemu-arm05:05
cehtehand doesnt the n900 get a ip by dhcp from the laptop then?05:05
LiraNunaand I can't seem to run an armel executable05:05
LiraNunaI got export SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=qemu-arm.05:05
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cehtehinstalled and followed the SDK instructions or some generic scratchbox setup?05:06
LiraNunasays executable not found05:06
crashanddiesilverbullet: you should be able to assign a "main" adapter, all the other adapters will have the same address as that one05:06
cehtehin the first case .. you did something wrong05:06
LiraNunaand it's right there...05:06
cehtehin the second case .. you did something wrong05:06
silverbulletthis about:config is not saving my http proxy05:07
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silverbulleti change it, press enter key05:07
silverbulletclose browser and open brower , goto about:config and the setting i wrote is gone05:07
cehtehyou may brick microb and dont be able to fix it :P05:07
cehtehdont edit about:config in microb05:08
cehtehyou using windows .. i get what you deserve .. fix the windows network settings05:08
silverbulletlook i know about:config can brick the microb, but what i'm not touching anything that doesnt concern me05:08
silverbulletdont worry :)05:08
silverbulleti'm just trying to change the "network.proxy.http" value change and *persist*05:09
cehtehhaha i dont worry, i am absolutely certain, whatever you do wont cause trouble for me05:09
silverbulletbut it doesnt05:09
cehtehyes microb is a heavy modified gecko engine by nokia with some custom gui05:10
cehtehdont expect that it will work like firefox05:10
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LiraNunaI always find those -
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sp3000the proxy pref is likely being set from other places like connectivity and env05:15
cehtehsp3000: i told that already :P05:16
cehtehLiraNuna: just g++ does?05:17
LiraNunawell, gcc too05:17
LiraNunadon't know if you mean arm-linux-g++ vs g++ or arm-linux-g++ vs arm-linux-gcc05:18
cehtehyes i meant that and try without the -mcpu flog05:18
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LiraNunano -mcpu still breaks05:18
LiraNuna-O1 and above breaks it05:19
cehtehand only g++ not arm-linux-g++ ?05:19
LiraNunawait, -O3 does not05:19
LiraNunaonly -O1 and -O205:19
LiraNunaI know I should've compiled my own toolchain05:19
cehtehmhm playing with neon instructions?05:19
LiraNunahence why I set -mcpu and -mfpu-abi05:20
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cehtehyeah dunno about that05:20
LiraNunacan I use my own toolchain with scratchbox?05:20
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LiraNunaspeaking from possibility standpoint, not support05:21
LiraNunaI don't have to use scratchbox to code for the N900, right?05:22
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* cehteh is thinking about installing the sdk on the device in a chroot on the microsd card05:22
cehtehreformatted to ext3 .. fat wont wok05:23
LiraNunacehteh, I did it on the N81005:23
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LiraNunacehteh, programming ON the device wasn't fun, it lacks major keys such as {} and |05:23
cehtehnot programming there .. just installing the sdk there and then prolly ssh to it05:23
cehtehcurrently i have more free space on the n900 than on my laptop :P05:24
cehtehbut well i am doing other stuff05:24
LiraNunadoes it start with p and ends with orn?05:25
cehtehn900 programming is only scratching my own itches, nothing more planned05:25
cehtehnope other vids and mp3 and a lot of code and git repos05:25
crashanddieLiraNuna: popcorn?05:25
LiraNunacrashanddie, YES!05:25
cehtehand only 100GB 1.8" hdd05:25
cehtehneed a biggier ssd .. need money :P05:26
crashanddiecehteh: I don't think code and git  repos is what costs you the space05:26
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cehteh$ du -sh src/ /usr/src/05:27
cehtehwell ..its reasonable much05:27
crashanddiesomehow, I doubt those numbers are pure code :)05:27
cehtehi didnt saied that .. objectfiles and other resources too05:28
crashanddiemake realclean?05:28
cehtehi dont clean everything05:28
cehtehdu -sh /.enc/scratchbox/05:30
cehtehthe sdk isnt small either05:30
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cehtehso one adds to another05:31
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hd1you may want to try putting object files on a RAM drive, assuming you can spare the memory, it REALLY speeds things up05:32
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cehtehyou know what pagecache means? :)05:34
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cehteh$ time ls -R / >&/dev/null05:36
* cehteh thinks he is quite good in optimizing linux :)05:37
cehteh$ time ls -R / 2>&1 | wc -l05:37
cehtehwith an ultra slow 4200rpm 1.8" ide drive05:38
hd1cehteh: yea, yea, I don't run Linux, I run FreeBSD and have built world in 45 seconds with /usr/obj sitting on a RAM drive...05:39
hd1world being the entire system, kernel and all05:39
cehtehwell if you have plenty of ram or a bad pagecache in your kernel05:40
cehtehfor linux it might improve that build somewhat, but the kernel is better sharing the memory for proper use globally05:41
cehtehand i bet your ls -R / is still running :P05:41
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wazdheya all05:43
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nbdarvinhi to everybody06:00
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Texratanyone home?06:05
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nbdarvinTexrat hey06:05
* ml-something waves06:06
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Texrathmm awful quiet06:07
Texratpupnik you there?06:07
Ken-YoungAlmost *too* quiet...06:07
Texratcompared to the meego meeting today especially...lol06:08
Texratsheer chaos06:08
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Ken-YoungOh rats, I missed that meeting.06:08
crashanddieyo Texrat06:08
nbdarvinIs it hard to learn how to programm for Maemo with QT/python if i know desktop python/gtk/some qt06:09
Texratyo yo Sebastian06:09
Texratnbdarvin I've heard it's not06:09
Texratwhat platform you developing on06:09
crashanddienbdarvin: programming for Maemo isn't very different from desktop programming06:09
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Texratthere are great tutorials at maemo.org06:10
TexratI'm hoping to get starte don Qt/Python soon too06:10
Texratstarted on*06:10
crashanddienbdarvin: you just need to pay attention to the UI being used by fingers/stylus, not a mouse, and how to access/use specific devices (LEDs, GPS, accelerometer)06:10
crashanddienbdarvin: but all the concepts laid down by Linux, such as file access, network, threading is exactly the same (and mostly taken care of by python/Qt anyway)06:11
Texratand remember your IF_DEFs!  lol06:11
crashanddieTexrat: what's new mate?06:11
Texratcrashanddie not a damn thing06:11
Texratbut I'm looking06:11
Texratjust wrapped up some SQL coding06:11
Texratchecking in before I go to bed06:12
crashanddiehow's your PHP coding skills?06:12
crashanddieno, your second cousin twice removed06:13
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Texratother people on list :p06:13
Texratanyway zero06:13
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Texratlately it's been SQL and VB.Net06:13
crashanddieyou're right, get yourself on python :P06:13
Texratused to do javascript but out of practice06:13
Texratyeah yeah06:13
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crashanddieas much as i hate it, it's better than vb.net06:13
Texratalthough I love SQL and VB06:14
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Texratman I have a blast in VB.Net06:14
Texratlove the syntax06:14
Texrathey ali123406:14
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ali1234my DSL modem crashed :(06:14
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ali1234was talking to myself on another channel for ages06:15
Texratgood company then06:15
crashanddieVB's one-line parsing sucks donkey balls06:15
crashanddieIf (blah.value is Nothing) Then06:16
TexratI  just love it for the beauty of the language06:16
Texratbut that's elegant!06:16
crashanddie    foo = bar06:16
crashanddie    Foo == donkeybar06:16
crashanddieEnd If06:16
crashanddierather than06:16
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Texratyou can also do Select case06:17
crashanddiefoo = IIf(blah.value is Nothing, bar, donkeybar)06:17
Texratcase if06:17
Texratend select06:17
Texratum dude06:17
TexratVB.Net has IIf06:17
crashanddiemy point exactly06:17
Texratyou can use either06:17
Texratshit you can find 4 or 5 ways to run any logic trap06:18
Texratanyway I like the look of Python because it reminds me of VB.Net :p06:18
Texratso easy transition06:18
Texrat<-- lazy coder06:19
crashanddiePython has well defined and well thought logic06:19
ali1234foo = bar if blah.value else donkeybar06:19
ali1234^ python06:19
crashanddieVB is just some dudes at MS going "need to be able to do this, let's add this", "need to be able to do that, let's add that too"06:19
Texratand Microsoft got SQL right too-- gimme T-SQL any day over PL/SQL06:19
* Texrat ends Microsoft fanboyism06:19
TexratI just gravitate to the tool that fits my thinking06:20
TexratI'm a writer, not a mathematician06:20
Texratso no C or assembler06:20
Texratgimme high level shit, please06:20
crashanddiet-sql sucks in many domains, math, string manipulation, date manipulation... but overall, any kind of SQL sucks to be honest. I'm still waiting for the day SQL turns OO.06:21
crashanddieif that's even possible06:21
* cehteh gives Texrat some Prolog06:21
Texratyou know a language that's hard as hell but rewarding?  LISP06:21
Texratlol... I coded in Prolog... and Forth... and Logo... and Lisp06:21
ali1234crashanddie: active record?06:21
crashanddieali1234: yeah, I use active record quite a bit06:22
hd1Texrat: LISP is "hard as hell"?!? Crikey, you're rather dim!06:22
crashanddiehd1: he's a writer, not a mathematician06:22
Texratcrashanddie what are you smoking?  I should show you the T-SQL stuff I did for Nokia.  Magic, man06:22
Texrathd1 not dim at all, bunky.  I taught myself Lisp from AutoCAD examples06:23
Texratwas not easy but I mastered it06:23
hd1I actually found lisp (the scheme variety) to be a VERY good way to learn programming06:23
Texratand did shit that our so-called IT staff couldn't touch06:23
Texratso dim?  not hardly06:23
crashanddieTexrat: string, text, binary manipulation is extremely slow in T-SQL.06:23
hd1then again, I AM daft, so go figure06:23
crashanddieTexrat: seriously06:23
crashanddiehd1: that's right, you are daft :)06:24
crashanddieTexrat: PM06:24
hd1crashanddie: thank you for agreeing with me, mate06:24
crashanddieany time06:24
Texratcrashanddie there are ways to make T-SQL sing even on computation06:24
crashanddieyou shouldn't have to invent ways. SQL is supposed to be a way to access and use data, you shouldn't have to force the tool into achieving what you need at a speed that is usable06:25
Texratno forcing, just learnign the ways of the SQL Jedi06:25
crashanddieand I say that regardless of the implementation you support06:25
Texratat a basic level, SQL looks very coarse...06:25
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Texratthen you start learnign the advanced shit and the afterburners kick on06:26
TexratI really should send you text of some I did for Nokia :D06:26
crashanddieI can show you use cases where PL/SQL starts scraping the bottom so bad its knees are bleeding -- and I'm talking here in systems that fire off 1M requests to handle 200 basic actions, so not your average web server06:26
TexratI made that database sing06:27
Texratactually I'm not as impressed with PL/SQL.  Too crude06:27
TexratThat's what I work with now and I miss SQL Server.  Oracle is psycho06:27
crashanddiestop being a wussy :P06:27
Texratmake me06:28
crashanddieThing is, Oracle is a beast, I'll agree on that06:28
* hd1 used to work for Oracle.06:29
crashanddieReminds me of the tale of the interview06:29
TexratI'll never forgive Oracle for leaving out the bitwise (binary) datatype06:29
TexratI mean wtf06:29
crashanddieguy sends a resume to Sybase, gets a phone interview06:29
crashanddieinterviewer asks "So why did you apply for a job with us? And not Google, Oracle, Microsoft?"06:30
crashanddieguy replies: "I couldn't find the apply link on Google, never passed second interview with Microsoft"06:30
crashanddieinterview: "And Oracle?"06:30
hd1"Do you seriously think I haven't applied to the others?"06:30
crashanddieguy: "I don't want to work for a database company"06:30
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ptlI'd never confess not being able to find a link and not passing a second interview06:42
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crashanddieptl: I've seen emails shooting through between competitors to warn about specific individuals applying for specific jobs06:43
ptlmight be rare cases06:43
crashanddieand yeah, we've had warnings about those kind of idiots06:43
crashanddieor simply "he's going to con and waste your time"06:44
crashanddieyou know, fall from the stairs on his first day, slam finger in door, sue for inappropriate workplace safety06:44
ptloh, I get it.06:45
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silverbullethello rooom07:13
silverbulletppl there ?07:13
silverbullethave a question07:13
hd1silverbullet: ask it, people review07:16
LiraNunawhere can I find includes/libs for maemo5?07:17
LiraNunasimilar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel07:17
silverbullethow can i download firefox for n900 on my desktop ?07:17
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sulxgo to with your device07:20
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LiraNunaI don't think he wants it on his device07:21
LiraNuna'on my desktop'07:21
sulxoh right07:21
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sulxtho n900 has many desktops...:P07:21
sulxwell not really...07:22
LiraNunahehe, I know, but I still don't think that's what he meant07:22
silverbulletyea i know that07:22
silverbulleti said i wanna download it to my laptop . sorry for confusion07:22
LiraNunawhere can I find includes/libs for maemo5? similar to /scratchbox/host_shared but for armel07:22
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LiraNunahow do I enable TV out?07:41
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silverbulletno first answer my question :p07:44
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: maybe07:47
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: did you ever ask the ofono/isimodem guys?07:47
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hd1anyone have examples of XSLT using the QtXmlPatterns module?08:06
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ShadowJK64 bytes from terminus ( icmp_seq=31145 ttl=56 time=603934 ms08:11
ShadowJKSome days, my operator...08:11
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hd1lol, that's one hop away from you, ShadowJK?08:15
LiraNunaanyone cares about GCC 4.4.3 targeting N900?08:15
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ShadowJKhd1, no it's 10 hops or so normally08:16
LiraNunaI already built it, I'm asking if someone is interested in how to build it08:16
ShadowJKhd1, but I think I get the same from things 1 hop away too..08:16
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hd1hd1: that's pathetic08:17
ShadowJKI think they're routing my packets via MARS08:17
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hd1ShadowJK: that's pathetic08:18
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crashanddiehd1: actually, if his packets are being rerouted through Mars, that'd be pretty fucking cool :)08:24
ShadowJKthose that get through fail checksum so often they might very well be going via mars..08:24
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer51: fwiw, we know cell handover sucks, however the cell people claimed it was more of an app08:54
timeless_mbpproblem than a lower level problem08:54
timeless_mbpe.g. they complained to the browser team08:55
timeless_mbpi told them they were idiots/crazy08:55
timeless_mbpand proceded to ignore them08:55
Stskeepswhat happened now08:55
Stskeeps? :P08:55
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timeless_mbpptl: you discovered that launchpad's ui sucks, welcome to the club :)09:04
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rmrfchikwhat's new in maemo today?09:16
threshyou whining again? ;)09:17
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Stskeepsrmrfchik: TSG meeting yesterday in meego, go read minutes09:17
njsf_Stskeeps: got a link ?09:18
njsf_Stskeeps: tnx09:20
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D-IivilStskeeps: ping09:27
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D-IivilStskeeps: I'm using your hildon-theme-example -file to build themes and now after upgrading my SDK to 1.2 I'm not able to build debs anymore. I'm getting this error: ERROR: Failed to open "/usr/share/hildon-theme-layout-5//gtkrc.input_method" rc file.09:31
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D-IivilStskeeps: any idea how can I fix it?09:31
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D-IivilStskeeps: it has propably something to do with new hildon-theme-layout-5 in PR1.209:31
Stskeepsyes, hang on09:31
* D-Iivil is hanging himself already09:32
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Stskeepsjust have to pull down updates to it09:32
D-IivilI have to or you have to?09:34
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Stskeepsi do09:37
silverbullethey all ... i asked this question an hour ago maybe .. i want to download firefox for n900, but lets say my n900 irght now cannot conncet to internet, so i want to download the install file of ff-for-n900 on my laptop and transfer to n900 and install .. can it be done ? where can i find that file, url ? thanks09:37
D-IivilStskeeps: something simple to change that I can do myself?09:38
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D-IivilStskeeps: okay, then I'll wait and maybe do some real work for awhile :D09:44
iPeter-silverbullet: | Maybe thats it?09:44
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silverbulletiPeter, this will require the internet to be present to download the rest of the installation medium. ... I 'm looking for a full offline installer09:45
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iPeter-by the way, if you got a laptop and a wifi on it, you maybe can turn your laptop to a wifi station (share laptops network)09:46
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iPeter-Gotta go to school. silverbullet: Atleast i can do it with my EEE 901 PC. I hope youll get it.09:47
silverbulleteee /09:47
iPeter-asus eee 90109:48
silverbulletthanks I will try09:48
Stskeepsdownload new tar.gz, look at the new template.png and see what you need to update in your theme09:48
D-IivilStskeeps: million thanks dude!09:49
StskeepsD-Iivil: please let the other themers know09:49
Stskeepsand test it first09:49
D-IivilStskeeps: yeah, I'll spread the word if someone asks :)09:49
D-IivilStskeeps: anything else changed with the template than just removed some stuff (vkeyboard)?09:51
Stskeepsnot sure, you'll have to take a look09:51
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D-IivilOkay.. I'll throw it on top of some of my templates and see if there's any difference.09:51
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D-IivilStskeeps: nothing seems to be changes or removed from template. Which is good :)09:52
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D-IivilStskeeps: I'll try to build up a theme and inform you if there's something wrong with it :)09:54
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Stskeepsyou probably can't test that easily without a PR1.2 device but hmm :)09:55
D-IivilI will try it anyway :D09:55
D-IivilAnd I do have my scratchbox also set up with 1.209:56
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D-IivilStskeeps: starts to build just fine.10:00
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D-IivilBuild was successfull.10:01
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timeless_mbphey, about that silent on time event scheduler...10:04
D-IivilStskeeps: installs fine on PR1.2 scratchbox. Now let me try on real device :P10:04
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timeless_mbpis it possible for it to recognize calendar meetings and auto enter/exit silent mode?10:05
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D-IivilStskeeps: hmm.. something wrong with the template.png -file. Builder creates some "emailwidget" files under /theme-directory but they are messed up.10:07
D-IivilI suppose there is some e-mailwidget coming?10:07
timeless_mbpds3: there's a commercial mapping product for 60 CUR, it looks pretty good, you might consider it10:07
Stskeepsdid you update your hildon-theme-layout-5 to 0.15, D-Iivil?10:07
timeless_mbpthe price isn't really that high all things considered10:07
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D-IivilStskeeps: I've ran apt-get update / upgrade and it won't find anything to upgrade if I do it again, so I suppose yes.10:08
StskeepsD-Iivil: check with the bare template first?10:08
D-IivilStskeeps: yes, that's what I'm talking about.10:08
timeless_mbpaep: get droid fonts, it's in extras-something10:08
D-IivilStskeeps: the bare template has Application installer graphic where should propably be e-mail widget stuff.10:08
timeless_mbpthere's probably also instructions for setting it up for use w/ the system (if not, lots of people here have the steps)10:09
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StskeepsD-Iivil: hmm :P10:09
* timeless_mbp pokes ptl about silent,...10:09
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timeless_mbpGAN900: your n900 doesn't remember http passwords?10:15
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* tybollt is on the verge of emo-state10:16
timeless_mbpi have no problem loggin into an http auth site using my n900's memory of the password10:16
timeless_mbp(good thing too, since i don't know the password…)10:16
tybollthanding my N900 in to the shop today...10:16
tybolltaww poor baby phone :)10:16
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D-IivilStskeeps: Aaah, the e-mail widget IS on the svg-file. The png-file is old.10:17
timeless_mbpdmj726_n9001: out of curiosity, can you blame mozilla? the next platform has no SDK10:17
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: are you going through backlog?10:18
D-IivilStskeeps: of fuck.. there's a lot of thigns that has changed in the template :-D No more updating old themes for me :-D10:18
tybollttimeless_mbp: Good corporate skills there... shifting the blame++10:19
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timeless_mbpopenstandards: yes, nokia knows that the n900 calendar isn't perfect. it was a first draft10:19
timeless_mbpthe previous apps didn't have a calendar at all and people complained, but there's only so much dev time avail10:19
timeless_mbpopenstandards: which enterprise features do you want?10:20
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timeless_mbp(calendar in 1.2 can (tenatively or not) accept/reject meeting requests...10:20
timeless_mbpSpeedEvil: for 1.2 the virtual keyboard was completely redone, so :)10:21
tybollttimeless_mbp: meh, we are users - we are obliged to complain... :)10:21
timeless_mbpsilverbullet: so, in theory you set up proxies in settings>network10:25
timeless_mbpif you're an English speaker and want a better translation, I have one..10:25
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* timeless_mbp notes for the record that DigitalPioneer is an idiot wrt $env's being used by any sane browser10:26
timeless_mbpyeah, cehteh's  right, windows 7 (and much older) has internet connection sharing, you shouldn't need a proxy10:27
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D-IivilStskeeps: for some reason the new virtualkeyboard-buttons from template aren't used. At least not in scratchbox. Instead it uses old stylus-buttons in v-keyboard.10:32
timeless_mbpsilverbullet: the .install file is just information for application manager10:32
timeless_mbpcopying that file does you no good10:32
StskeepsD-Iivil: probably not a updated version of the example10:33
timeless_mbpapplication manager is a front end to apt, which processes dependencies to decide what to download10:33
timeless_mbpif you want to actually download the files, the "proper" way to do it would be to:10:33
D-IivilStskeeps: you mean the scratchbox?10:33
timeless_mbp1. install "apt" somewhere10:33
timeless_mbp2. copy your dpkg database from your n90010:33
timeless_mbp3. setup a proper apt config file10:33
D-IivilStskeeps: yeah, probably that's the situation.10:33
timeless_mbp4. use apt-get install —download-only package_name10:33
timeless_mbp99.999% of people wouldn't ever do that10:34
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* D-Iivil is trying to install the "new" the on to PR 1.11 device. Flasher is ready if something goes wrong :P10:34
timeless_mbp(i suspect fewer than 10 people in the whole world)10:34
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timeless_mbpStskeeps: pong ;-)10:35
timeless_mbptybollt: *bows*10:35
timeless_mbphello world10:35
D-IivilStskeeps: works like a charm in 1.11 device.10:36
timeless_mbptime for me to go away for 2 weeks :)10:36
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind a vacation at the moment either10:37
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Stskeepstaking some days in the mountains at easter10:37
timeless_mbpnot a vacation, i'm just changing scenery10:38
timeless_mbpi'll be working from stockholm for the next two weeks10:38
timeless_mbpbut i don't expect to do as much irc'ing there. i wonder if i can get my laptop locked up at work...10:38
timeless_mbpactually, i'd probably like that10:38
tybollttimeless_mbp: Jaja, mine on herra, jajaja :P10:39
tybollt(or why you bowing :)10:39
tybollttimeless_mbp: Well have fun, if you need tips on good bars do send me an email :)10:40
D-IivilStskeeps: hmm... wait.. now my PR1.11 device is using also stylus-buttons for virtual keyboard instead of the old ones nor the new ones.10:40
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timeless_mbptybollt: you applauded my blame shifting11:00
tybolltah that :)11:00
tybolltthat I do indeed :)11:00
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* timeless_mbp frowns11:17
timeless_mbpdoes the n900 address book not support <middle name>?11:17
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Socktis there a bug that will prevent any appl installtion to take effect ?11:22
jogatimeless_mbp: the contacts feature in n900 has some other shortcomings grouping of contacts, but I guess these will be addressed eventually11:22
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jogaSockt: do you get some error message?11:22
Sockti install says complete , but no new stuff to be found11:23
jogawhat did you install? does it even have an icon?11:23
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joga(ie. if it's command line software it may not appear in the menu)11:24
Socktcpu and mem status bar11:24
nidOhave you looked in your status bar?11:24
jogaoh, ok, but isn't that visible up there?11:24
* timeless_mbp sighs11:24
Sockti uninistall it and re-do it , now it dont work11:24
timeless_mbpits merge algorithm sucks11:24
timeless_mbpi edited a contact on my n900 and in OWA and the last edit won11:24
Socktafter that any appl , will not take effect11:24
timeless_mbpjoga: what do you mean 'grouping contacts'?11:25
jogatimeless_mbp: being able to have like "friends", "work", "relatives" or such. it's bothersome to swipe through 300 contacts11:25
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jogaand in landscape mode it lacks the letter markers to jump to a certain spot11:26
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KhertanHi !11:29
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pupnikfinally it gets warmer11:33
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D-IivilWTF! Suddenly enabling extras-devel app catalogue takes ~34 megs of rootfs o_O11:35
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D-IivilIt used to be around 15-20 megs.11:35
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gouverneurD-Iivil: that apt is still using / is some way of anoying...11:36
pupnikit is anybody try symlinking to /opt yet?11:36
pupnikit is. anybody here try symlinking to /opt yet?11:37
gouverneurif I move themes to opt with proper symlinking it screws with the default theme after a reboot11:37
gouverneurdont wnat to know what it does with apt cache11:37
pupniki could use a 2nd device :P11:38
gouverneurthen try! I found/pimped a script so far but reverted all changes11:39
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gouverneurmaybe you have to do it via bind mount like for python11:39
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D-Iivilgouverneur: yeah.. it's annoying, but I'm wondering why it's suddenly so BIG.11:40
fcrozatdependency on qt4.7 ?11:40
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gouverneurD-Iivil: growing repo = growing repo list11:41
D-Iivilgouverneur: yeah, but over night from 20 to 34 megs11:41
JaffaMorning, all11:41
timeless_mbpjoga: in landscape, open the keyboard and press a key :)11:41
timeless_mbp(or two, or three!)11:41
gouverneurD-Iivil: I try wait a mom11:41
timeless_mbpas for contact groups, you have 4 home screens, you can make each into a contact group ;-)11:42
gouverneurD-Iivil: 58 - 41 != 3011:43
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gouverneurjust devel! nothing else!11:43
D-Iivilgouverneur: ?11:44
D-Iivilgouverneur: you mean it only took 3 megs of your rootfs?11:44
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jogatimeless_mbp: I only have space for a few contacts on the desktops...I have a couple of useful widgets and mostly shortcuts for useful programs :) (my use is 80% computer, 20% phone). I do know about pressing the keys but since there's more space in landscape than portrait, to me it would seem nice if the markers were there if I happen to use it with keyboard tucked in11:44
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jogaI'd like to try the 9 desktop thingy though...11:44
gouverneurD-Iivil: math isnt your strongest? 58 - 41 = 17MB11:45
D-Iivilgouverneur: :-D11:45
jogait would also be useful if the contact shortcuts could me made smaller, now they're so big you can only get a few of them on a desktop unless you stack them or something11:45
joga*could be11:45
D-Iivilgouverneur: well.. for me it went from 62 megs down to 28 megs after enabling the devel this morning. Disabling the devel repo brought back to 62 megs.11:45
D-Iivilgouverneur: try to run apt-get update from x-term and see if it makes any difference.11:46
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gouverneurnope 43MB left11:47
D-IivilLet me try to re-enable the repo and see what happens...11:47
D-IivilNow it went from 62 to 45 megs.11:48
D-IivilReally weird :D11:48
gouverneurcomponents are free and non free?11:48
D-IivilSo now it took the same 17 megs as it did for you.11:49
D-IivilSo something weird was going on this morning earlier.11:49
D-IivilBut glad it's now as before.11:49
gouverneurand back to 59MB funny everytime I do that / free space grows 1MB11:49
D-IivilTry if you can reach some more ;)11:50
gouverneurD-Iivil: Themes are 17MB11:50
gouverneurI try to keep it above 50 as the other day the upgrade needed >53MB11:50
D-IivilX-Fade: ping11:51
pupnikdown to 9MB here11:51
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gouverneurD-Iivil: du on '/usr/share/themes' gives me 14.5MB11:53
gouverneurand I have the default two and on additional11:53
D-Iivilgouverneur: aaah.. okay. I thought you tried to say that themes @ extras devel makes the catalogue to take 17 megs :-P11:53
timeless_mbpjoga: personally, i agree, and i asked them to include them11:54
timeless_mbpsadly the ui designers reused11:54
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gouverneurnope but that there is no themes category pisses me off by now11:54
nidOthat is a rather glaring omission11:55
pupnikit is nice we no longer have every uncautious developer creating a new category11:56
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jogaheh...found a little bug in vgba, it can't handle filenames with spaces11:56
gouverneursure! but having them all over the place with themes doesnt help11:56
gouverneurhrw: fish11:57
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X-FadeD-Iivil: pong11:57
D-IivilX-Fade: Something is holding the devel queue again.11:58
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pupnikfilenames with spaces are like dogs with pants11:59
gouverneurpupnik: I am waiting for the filesystem doing space underscore replacement itself11:59
hrwgouverneur: write fusefs for it12:00
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hrwI would not be surprised if there is such one already12:00
gouverneurhrw: correcting... I wait for a usable fs12:01
mgedminis that like waiting for Godot?12:01
hrwmgedmin: or fixed maemo5 calendar12:02
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pupnikgot to go garden.  save battery12:09
lcukmorning maemo \o12:10
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* Noobmonk3y waves 12:12
lcukhiya Noobmonk3y12:13
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Noobmonk3ywoop wooop, mornin!12:13
* Noobmonk3y is in a budget meeting...... seriously boring.....12:14
tybollt /12:14
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StskeepsNoobmonk3y: bullshit bingo time12:14
Noobmonk3yoooooo good idea......12:14
tybolltwhen budget meeting goes boring you should slam your fist in the desk and holler "iPHONES FOR EVERYONE!"12:15
lcukguards - remove tybollt and have him thrown to the hungry geese12:15
Noobmonk3ylol tybollt !!!12:16
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D-IivilDamn headache and no painkillers.12:16
nidOits the nhs though, theyd probably pay about 5 grand each for them so only get one12:16
cityLights2hi all , can anyone help me with dbus-scripts12:17
cityLights2I just dont get it , and it doesnt work for me12:17
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X-FadeD-Iivil: Everything there now?12:17
cityLights2I spent time and tried putting * everywhere12:17
cityLights2I want to run script when connected to gprs12:18
lcukmornin X-Fade \o12:18
cityLights2I put: script * * status_changed * * *12:18
cityLights2it still doesnt work12:19
cityLights2luck: hi12:19
X-Fadehi lcuk, everything ok?12:19
D-IivilX-Fade: yes, everything there now. Thanks.12:19
lcukyeah X-Fade hectic as usual12:20
X-FadeD-Iivil: Somebody managed to upload a file with 000 rights. Nice.12:20
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D-IivilX-Fade: how could that be possible?12:23
X-FadeD-Iivil: Broken Windows client probably.12:24
nidOstupid tmo users are stupid :<12:25
* Noobmonk3y has a full line already......12:25
D-IivilX-Fade: shouldn't those be automaticly chmoded with correct rights after the upload?12:25
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X-FadeD-Iivil: Yes, but your client does that.12:26
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D-IivilX-Fade: Aaah, okay.12:26
X-FadeD-Iivil: I've now implemented a check, so it can't happen again.12:26
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tybolltlcuk: you feeble mortal... get chuckc norris to do it for you or FAIL12:31
tybolltchuck, too12:31
lcuktybollt, i tried that but chuck is sat in the corner weeping12:31
cityLights2all that I did wront is follow the advice and used reload. out of desperation I run stop then start - and now it WORKS12:31
tybolltlcuk: must be some fucked up intarwebz you have there =)12:32
lcuktybollt, nahh just lag caused by downloading12:33
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Noobmonk3yvme stands up and shouts...... BULLSHIT BINGO!!!!!!!!!12:35
hrwitnernet... using webchat for irc just because of port blocking suxx12:36
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* Noobmonk3y blinks....... nicotene shortage...... aghhhhhhhhh12:55
nidOprime example of the good work being done by the nhs!12:58
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* Noobmonk3y works for the nhs12:59
tybollthomeland security?13:00
Noobmonk3ynational health service13:00
Noobmonk3ysi ilar to what obama just voted in13:00
lcukgood good Noobmonk3y13:00
lcukwhen i kill you you can get fixed :)13:00
nidOsimilar to what obama voted in?13:01
Noobmonk3yhahaha. in it.... so i can fix your pc... just not you13:01
nidOall he got was, like, mandatory insurance for all, no?13:01
Noobmonk3ydidnt he pass a healthcare reform?13:01
Noobmonk3yhealthcare for all13:01
nidOstill via insurance though, afaik the govt just now also offers cheap insurance available to everyone basically13:02
nidOhealthcare structure's still entirely private though13:02
Noobmonk3ylol...... step in the right way13:02
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* Noobmonk3y would get paid more in priv sector......13:03
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nidOah and its not even gone through yet, turns out some people found faults in the bill13:03
nidOso it has to be amended and re-voted13:03
ebzzryHi! Are the docs containing information on how to "convert" an arm deb to an armel one?13:03
Noobmonk3yhi ebzzry  are the docs what?13:04
nidOamerica really knows how to shoot itself in the foot.13:04
nidOand the face13:04
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Noobmonk3y~Shoot america in the face13:06
Noobmonk3yinfobot is american?13:07
lcukas a healthcare dude you know thats a messy thing13:07
nidOuse a .2213:07
nidOno mess the other side13:07
ebzzrySo, are there any docs that has those information?13:07
* Noobmonk3y gets a spud gun 13:07
lcuki think theres more stopping power in a peashooter than most .22 rifles13:07
tekonivelcan anyone think of a method to record fm-radio with N900?13:07
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Noobmonk3yhmmm gstreamer tools13:08
lcukebzzry, usually the simplest is to rebuild using the correct toolchain13:08
* Noobmonk3y will brb 13:09
ebzzrylcuk: Please, educate me more. Where should I start to be able to do all those things?13:09
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ShapeshifterNoobmonk3y: stay away of gstreamer13:09
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lcukebzzry, there is no way i could teach you in a day, and im very busy also, goto - click development and get reading.  if you have source code (from debian for instance) it may just recompile happily in scratchbox, but likely you will need to make porting changes13:10
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bilboed-piShapeshifter, you might have a point... you're just really bad at giving it13:11
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ShapeshifterNoobmonk3y: gstreamer seemed like a great idea, but it didn't work. It's extremely unpractical and stuff just doesn't really work except if you get it exactly right which is near to impossible because the docs are abysmal.13:12
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bilboed-piShapeshifter, I guess that's why Nokia chose it13:12
bilboed-pioh, and Amazon for the kindle13:13
ShapeshifterI heard ffmpeg is much nicer, but I never developed anything using it as I was stuck with gstreamer at that point.13:13
fralsawesome, youtube downz13:13
meceyoutube down??13:13
Shapeshifterit isnt here.13:13
fralsit is from .se anyway13:13
threshsame from .ru13:14
fralsgetting 500 internal server error and apache error page13:14 also13:14
cityLights2I am so happy I got openvpn to work that I published a howto in the talk.meamo13:14
mece"It's not just you! looks down from here."13:14
meceI don't remember youtube ever being down.. in the last years at least.13:15
cityLights2Shapeshifter: did you leave any documentation of your own on how to work with gstreamer?13:15
ShapeshiftercityLights2: not much, but my source is fairly well documented. though it's not working atm xD13:15
cityLights2youtube is Http/1.1 Service Unavailable13:16
Shapeshifterswitzerland still has youtube ;)13:17
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meceswitzerland cheats!13:17
TomaszDStskeeps, moo13:18
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ebzzrylcuk: Thanks, that was the kind of education that I needed.13:37
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lcukebzzry, sorry there isnt a magic wand.  good luck getting started people around here are generally helpful if you are trying to help yourself so ask questions after researching13:39
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* satmd agrees with lcuk13:39
satmdthere's no shortcut to development13:40
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ebzzrylcuk: OK13:40
ebzzrysatmd: OK13:41
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lcukebzzry, what is it you are trying to use in maemo ?13:42
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timeless_mbpShapeshifter: =~ s/unpractical/impractical/13:53
timeless_mbpfrals: hey!, i'm going to stockholm tomorrow...13:54
frals(im going to HEL on sunday :D)13:55
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timeless_mbpi'm going to try to catch up w/ tybollt for lunch downtown tomorrow, think you could join?13:55
Shapeshiftertimeless_mbp: thanks13:56
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fralshmm have to check if im expected to do any work tomorrow, but possibly13:56
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fralsany plans whereabouts and a specific time?13:57
cityLights2here two packages I miss in N900 logrotate and cups13:57
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fralstimeless_mbp: ping me with details and ill see if i can make it, would be nice :)13:59
pupnikis there a minimal cups client that doesnt talk to printers directly, but just to a cups server?14:00
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pupnikso it only needs to know a simple prptocol14:01
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achipawhat's the policy on planet maemo, do we put meego stuff there until we have planet meego, or does that brush too many feathers ? :)14:07
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Stskeepsno idea :P14:07
Stskeepsi have done meego posts there14:07
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tekojoachipa people will thumb them accordingly14:08
tekojoso does it really matter?14:08
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achipajust don't want to step on a rake, so to speak :)14:09
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timeless_mbptekojo's right14:10
timeless_mbpplanet maemo already has a way to deal w/ things14:10
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* achipa never quite liked thumbs down means 'I dont like this', 'It is unrelated', 'It is bad news' all at the same time14:11
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X-Fadeachipa: What is your maemo tagged feed?14:26
X-Fadeachipa: That is no feed.14:29
achipaoops, wrong link, damn clipboard14:29
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* achipa slips on a copypaste over N900 VNC banana and asks for a little patience until his 4.5 load clears or his N900 resets, whichever comes first14:32
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ebzzrylcuk: It is Scsh:
X-Fadeachipa: thanks14:38
cityLights2pupnik: another issue is backup to desktop14:39
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X-Fadeachipa: Added.14:40
torrancewhi guys, i'm trying to confirm an issue i'm having on my n900. if anyone feels generous, i've made a post at summarizing the problem - involves bash on the n90014:40
cityLights2I am just thinking what would be the best incremental backup to maemo14:40
achipaX-Fade: thanks14:40
SpeedEvilIsx there an idiots guide to exporting filesystrems over nfs? (fromthe n900)14:40
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tybolltSpeedEvil: Well, I'm an idiot - I don't have a guide for you though :(14:42
achipaX-Fade: while we are at it, are garage news going to be reactivated (bug #8959) ? Just to know if I should bother making announcements on garage...14:44
povbotBug Garage news no longer get processed in main/aggregator pages of *.maemo.org14:44
X-Fadeachipa: That is basically a case of no time to look at it.14:44
Appiahtorrancew: oh , I was gonna write something like that..14:45
X-Fadeachipa: I should probably start to approve that again :)14:45
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achipaok, no rush, just checking if it was maybe something trivial...14:45
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torrancewAppiah: i love the software (CLI junky, myself), and can trivially adjust the script, but would rather not, as i'm keeping several computers up to date with rsync, etc14:46
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torrancewand am keeping the script up to date with git14:46
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LargePrimeI would like to ask about running maemo on an htc device14:48
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cityLights2torrancew: hi14:49
torrancewhi, cityLights214:50
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cityLights2torrancew: what is the right way to issue a backup , from the client that has the source or from the backup server?14:50
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torrancewdepends on the nature of the data, etc, truly14:50
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torrancewbut for the average case, from the client, to the server14:51
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cityLights2torrancew: I would divide it to two: 1) etc and programs 2) video , music14:51
torrancewthe opposite is true if you want to have a 'master' set on a server, and want each client to stay in par, no new content14:51
cityLights2torrancew: thanks14:52
torrancewcityLights2: not a problem14:52
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cityLights2I can't get
cityLights2does anyone have a backup of this file?15:23
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dmj726_n9001Stskeeps: With their winmo 7 decision, I would think that Mozilla is behaving similar to their html5 strategy.15:26
Stskeepstimeless, you mean15:26
* timeless_mbp looks up15:26
timeless_mbpfrals / tybollt: do people walk across tranebergsbron ?15:26
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timeless_mbpdmj726_n9001: how so?15:27
dmj726_n9001They don't want to lock themselves into bad sdks (no ndk) and closed gardens.15:28
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LynoureWould there happen to be anyone here who knows how to get some structure into hildonized menus with Qt? (asked on #qt-maemo but maybe this is too easy a question there... no luck googling, though)15:29
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noobmonk3yLynoure: maybe
noobmonk3ybut i'm no expert :P15:31
dmj726_n9001I would think a firefox port to the iphone wouldn't be a massive technical challenge, but they would likely run into problems with the App store.  I can't see the free software community working well at all in the WP7S M$ marketplace.15:31
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Lynourenoobmonk3y: the Figure 24 shows what I'd want, but the .pdf does not explain how to get there15:33
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noobmonk3yin the doc? hold on will looky15:34
timeless_mbpand they aren't even running opera locally!15:34
auenfn900 is still taking ages to come to oz...15:34
fralstimeless_mbp: uh, yeah, i think so15:34
auenfi might have to take a trip to see the wizard...15:34
dmj726_n9001that's only 2 days so far15:35
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dmj726_n9001It takes much longer or approval.15:35
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dmj726_n9001Perhaps a guess of 2 years is reasonable?15:36
tybollt*headache ensues*15:36
Lynourenoobmonk3y: but actually any way of separating the actions even a little bit (different rows, or something) would be charm. Some apps seem to have that (but have not found the source code for that yet)15:36
timeless_mbptybollt: if opera can't get approved for the iPhone store, i don't expect to see Firefox there...15:37
tybolltoh that15:37
tybolltso opera got denied/declined then?15:37
jaskaisnt it just opera mini.. which relies on a proxy?15:37
fralstimeless_mbp: theres a pedestrian "lane" on the bridge anyway afaik, but im pretty sure theres a metro stop at either side of the bridge so might as well take the metro ;D15:37
dmj726_n9001Apple would reject it.  Mozilla would hate the app store even if approved.15:37
tybollts/metro/subway/ - really15:38
noobmonk3yLynoure: Python version here -
fralswhats the difference?15:38
timeless_mbpfrals: i'd be walking15:38
tybolltassuming this is sweden?15:38
fralstybollt: yeah, tuben ;D15:38
dmj726_n9001Perhaps Opera mini could switch to safari's rendering engine? ;)15:39
noobmonk3yLynoure: Page 32 onwards with code examples here too -
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tybolltfrals: :D15:40
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Lynourenoobmonk3y: hmm, could not find any Qt stuff there15:41
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noobmonk3ythought u where looking for hildony stuff?15:46
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satmddid anyone get opensync/syncml/n900 working over usb/bluetooth?15:51
tybolltsyncml is basically what ovi contacts/calendar uses right?15:51
tybolltand that is known _not_ to work15:51
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satmdit works n900->evolution15:52
tybolltcool, good for you15:52
tybolltDoes evolution use syncml?15:52
satmdno, they have a plugin to opensync15:52
* satmd wants to document things15:53
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satmdbut when I change any of the contacts in evolution, it doesn't sync back to the n90015:53
satmdmy guess was a bug with the sync plugin15:53
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* satmd is planning to document all of this15:53
satmdI hoped for someone sharing experience15:54
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rmrfchikhmm.. I've combined 2 contacts by mistake. They contains IM entries. Now I want to separate them. It easy to copy-paste phone entries, but when I want to delete IM entries, maemo deletes them on server too15:55
rmrfchikwhat's the right way?15:55
bleaderhey guys, is it possible to get offline maps on n900 ? I'll be abroad for a while and would like to use gps without using roaming :)15:55
Lynourenoobmonk3y: I might be confused, but I think hildonized applies to the GUI looks, whether in GTK or Qt15:56
Lynourenoobmonk3y: at least the end result looks the same.15:56
Lynoure(and I did mention Qt in beginning, but two letter words hide easily)15:56
satmdbleeter: yes, w.m.o has a howto to this15:56
bleaderoh, missed it15:57
bleaderthanks satmd15:57
nidOsearches still need a net connection tho15:58
bleadershould be sufficient to naviguate around15:58
satmdbut only for assisted gps15:59
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lcukdo they need a real net connectino, or the presence of something to try and lookup - i appeared to have success using my adhoc network16:00
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sp3000timeless_mbp: there's totally like people on it16:03
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povbotBug 5480: undo/un-merge merged contacts16:05
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* frals likes SDK for PR1.2: cat /etc/operator_settings|grep MMS16:06
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X-Fadefrals: Works on device too.16:09
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timeless_mbpsp3000: i'm trying to figure out where a ped can get off the bridge on the west side16:09
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timeless_mbpok, got it16:10
ptlthe Nexus One resolution is not 480x800 as announced...
fralsX-Fade: :) I assumed as much16:11
zaheermptl, yah i read that..interesting read16:12
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Anprhello i have a question. I'm trying to uptade my n900's software, but it keeps saying not enough memory in target location16:17
Anprany clues why ?16:17
ArkenkloI've got two identical directories with identical names. That shouldn't be possible.16:18
Anpruhm ?16:19
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timeless_mbpAnpr: it's a faq, covered in the wiki16:19
timeless_mbpyou could try to find the wiki16:19
nidOand about a thousand times on the forum16:19
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timeless_mbpArkenklo: are they special folders?16:19
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Arkenklotimeless_mbp: how would I determine that?16:20
timeless_mbpArkenklo: if they have a special icon, they're special16:20
pupnikwow backlight died for some reason.  typing only on transflective now16:20
ArkenkloI'm talking console here16:20
timeless_mbpif you didn't create them, they're special16:20
timeless_mbpwhat file system?16:21
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Anprokay i will try to find it on wiki16:21
Arkenklothat would be fat, it's in MyDocs16:21
pupniktimeless_mbp: can you ask some smart guy how to disable backlight?16:21
timeless_mbpdoes it have magic characters?16:21
timeless_mbppupnik: i thought the advancedbacklight people would know16:21
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Arkenkloif there are any, they don't show16:21
pupnikmy low cpu use podcast player is so much more battery saving16:22
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timeless_mbpArkenklo: is this using 'ls' or what?16:24
dneary_305 valid votes in the Maemo election16:25
timeless_mbpdneary_: election over already?16:25
dneary_We just went past the number of votes in the last election16:25
Jaffafrals: No need for fAPN for fMMS users anymore, then?16:25
dneary_timeless_mbp, no16:25
timeless_mbphow many eligible voters?16:25
alteregoI didn't vote last time :)16:25
Arkenklotimeless_mbp: anything, ls -l shows two identical directories, tab-complete only gives me a single option16:25
dneary_timeless_mbp, 348416:25
noobmonk3yOOO DID I MISS SOMETHING?16:26
noobmonk3yand forget to turn caps off16:26
timeless_mbpdneary_: 9% ?16:26
dneary_timeless_mbp, Last election, we have just over 300 voters, with an electorate of 233916:26
noobmonk3yno need for fmms?16:26
dneary_So ~13%16:26
dneary_timeless_mbp, This is the expected participation rate in online communities where people create accounts and then drop away from the community16:27
dneary_We have no requirement for recent activity, no way to "clean out" old accounts, so...16:27
dneary_Yeah, 9% after 2 days is good16:27
timeless_mbpkarma doesn't go away, right?16:27
timeless_mbpin theory you can clean out the electorate by aging karma16:27
X-FadeOr using last login value ;)16:28
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zaheermwell, 598 users on irc now in this channel16:29
zaheermso you'd expect > 305 votes in total16:29
X-Fadezaheerm: week is not over yet.16:30
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zaheermyep true16:30
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Anprguys, how to access root in xterminal ?16:32
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Anpri want to do apt-get autoremove but i does not allow me to16:32
X-FadeHmm no bot?16:33
X-FadeAnpr: install rootsh16:33
Anpri think i got it16:34
X-FadeAfter that you can get root by just typing root.16:34
Anprjust not sure how to enable it16:34
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Anprokay, it works now16:34
AnprX-Fade but it didn't help me to get more free space in rootfs16:36
Anpri tried apt-get clean and autoremove16:36
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AnprX-Fade i did first 216:38
Anprno effect16:38
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GAN900timeless_mbp, as far as I can tell.16:40
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GAN900timeless_mbp, at least for the Indigo software I'm trying to connect to no the G516:40
GAN900timeless_mbp, http password recall16:40
timeless_mbpGAN900: hrm16:40
timeless_mbpit's worked for me for ages16:41
timeless_mbpbut my two n900s here are running gecko 1.9.216:41
GAN900Might clean flash to PR1.2 and see if that helps.16:41
timeless_mbpi'd share a database, but that'd be pretty stupid :)16:41
mgedminwhat is this PR1.2 you speak of?16:42
* timeless_mbp only speaks of gecko 1.9.2 :)16:42
timeless_mbpGAN900: do you have access to any 'special' bugzillas?16:43
cityLights2is there a "how to backup your maemo to a desktop" paper anywhere?16:43
cityLights2for a common user16:44
mgedmincityLights2, basically, back up to the internal memory using the backup app, then copy the backup file to your desktop over usb16:44
mgedminmight be too short for a paper16:44
mgedminalthough these days there are screencasts for everything, so I wouldn't be surprised to find one for this16:45
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cityLights2where can I see what files the program backs-up?16:45
cityLights2I googled and dont see a way to have it run automaticly - as most ppl forget it16:46
mgedminthe backups are zip files, you could look inside16:46
mgedminthere's no automatic backup option that I've seen16:46
mgedminit's a bit too intrusive for that -- closes down all apps, turns off connectivity, IIRC16:47
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mgedminalthough maybe not the latter16:47
mgedminI seem to remember ssh'ing into my N900 while it was making a backup16:47
mgedminbut generally the backup app takes over the whole UI and you can't do that in the background16:47
mgedminit could be considered a misfeature16:47
mgedminheck, it is a misfeature, but without it how can you guarantee data consistency?16:48
cityLights2I agree16:49
cityLights2given such an option - to run when I sleep, I may sleep much better16:49
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cityLights2given my N900 holds most of my life16:49
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cityLights2mgedmin: how can I trigger this offline mode using a script?16:51
mgedminI've no idea16:51
cityLights2I can make a backup to the microsd , then get back to online and send it to the desktop16:51
mgedminI generally make backups manually, then open an xterm and run a shell script that rsyncs it to my home server16:52
cityLights2all done manually16:52
* noobmonk3y thinks manual is the new automatic, a bit like paper being the new computer ;)16:52
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* mgedmin nods16:54
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mgedminwell, I have a second shell script that uses tar to make a backup of some files in my home dir16:55
cityLights2there must be a place I can see which files are used in the nokia backup proigram16:55
lcuk"i dropped to the console, gained root and killed the rogue process myself" - elvis16:55
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mgedminlike ~/.ashrc and ~/.profile and ~/.ssh and ~/bin and ~/.vim etc.16:55
mgedminI believe the default Backup app doesn't back those up16:55
cityLights2maybe I should make a program out of this and be famous16:55
GAN900timeless_mbp, no.16:55
mgedminthere are manifest files that tell the backup app what to backup16:55
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mgedminsome 3rd party apps (like gPodder) lack those and thus you lose your podcast subscriptions when you reflash and restore :(16:56
lcukmgedmin, if it doesnt, then we could do 2 things, create a package that includes a conf for /etc/osso-backup/applications16:56
mgedmincheck the files under /etc/osso-backup/16:56
X-Fademgedmin: Thatis not true.16:56
lcukor file bugs against apps that dont16:56
mgedminX-Fade, oh, did the gPodder bug get fixed?  I didn't notice16:57
X-Fademgedmin: I flash my device a lot and gpodder always restores nicely.16:57
* mgedmin filed a bug a while ago16:57
X-Fademgedmin: months and months ;)16:57
lcuki like the idea of backing up ssh16:57
lcukbut isnt that insecure?16:57
* mgedmin doesn't remember seeing a bugzilla email saying "bug fixed", but /me has a leaky memory16:57
mgedminlcuk, backing up ~/.ssh/id_rsa would be insecure16:57
mgedminI think I don't do that16:57
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mgedminoops, I do do that16:58
X-FadeUnless you use a password to backup and the encryption is strong.16:58
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mgedminwell, at least my private key is protected with a passphrase16:58
X-FadeNot sure how strong the backup encryption is.16:58
mgedminssh-agent rules16:58
mgedminI had to jump through ugly hoops to make it run on maemo16:58
mgedminmy ~/.profile has this bit:
mgedminand puts ~/bin early in $PATH and there's a bin/ssh wrapper that calls ssh-add:
mgedminhm, so if ssh-agent has my key unlocked, and somebody steals my phone... oops!17:00
mgedminI'd better change that ssh-add to set max lifetime to something like 15min17:00
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cityLights2mgedmin: I like you , you are paranoid as I am17:01
mgedminlaziness trumps my paranoia more often than it should17:02
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satmdthe point I'll give up with syncml is at: all but delete n900 -> pc work, all sync pc -> n900 fail with obscure messages, probably internal mismatches because of svn trunk17:16
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Anpri am trying to do sudo sh /home/user/mydocs/ command17:17
satmdgnokii transport does not build, gpe wasn't an option17:17
Anprand it requires password17:17
* timeless_mbp cries17:17
Anprwhere can i find it ?17:17
* timeless_mbp misspelled Rome17:17
* timeless_mbp blames Nokia17:17
* timeless_mbp spends too much time w/ cellular phone bills17:17
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gouverneurAnpr: if you do not know how to get around this you are not supposed to get around this!17:19
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Anpri just want to bloody update my n90017:20
Anprthat's it17:20
Anprand get some help how to do it17:20
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Anpri tried apt-get clean and autoremove17:20
Anprdone apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade17:21
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timeless_mbpAnpr: you aren't supposed to do 'sudo sh'17:21
Anprand it stole about 20mb of my rootsh..17:21
timeless_mbpplease read about gainroot17:21
johnsu01Anpr: one option is to turn off some repositories, do an update, then try again. You can turn them back on afterward.17:21
Anprokay, how can i run the script ?17:21
timeless_mbponce you're root, *then* you use 'sh'17:22
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timeless_mbpnot before17:22
timeless_mbpand not all at once17:22
Stskeepsandrewfblack: i've updated theme template example17:22
* timeless_mbp sighs17:22
fralsJaffa: Well, there's still a limit on one GPRS IAP I *think*, but if my ugly "autoconnect" hack works like it should there won't be a need for fAPN for fMMS users anymore :)17:22
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lcukhow do you cure a bug you cannot reproduce17:22
Stskeepsbtw, my trick to increase GPRS timeouts is absolutely brilliant in the metro17:22
timeless_mbplcuk: remote-debug ;-)17:22
andrewfblackStskeeps: thanks is their a lot of changes to template?17:23
timeless_mbpStskeeps: whose metro? and is there an app for that?17:23
Stskeepstimeless_mbp: it is a gconf setting, and warsaw metro17:23
Stskeepsthere's no mobile signal between stations17:23
Stskeepsso my GPRS connection broke (timed out) in 60 seconds obviously, having to restart connections, tcp connections, etc17:24
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Anprwhen i try to write sudo sh /home/user/mydocs/moveroot.sh17:24
Stskeepsthere's a gconf settng for increasing this timeout17:24
torrancewshameless plug: if someone has the time to confirm that this doesn't work in bash on the n900, i'd be very grateful:
Anprnothing happens17:24
Stskeepstorrancew: there's no bash17:24
Stskeepsit's busybox17:24
fralsgod, id go crazy if i had to take the metro if there wasnt any signal down there17:24
torrancewthere is a bash17:24
Anprif i try without sudo sh, it sais : not found17:24
torrancewit's just not the default17:24
Stskeepsfrals: i just listen to music and read e-mails17:24
torrancew(perhaps grabbed from a repos, also)17:24
Stskeepsmeego-dev provides the entertainment usually17:24
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Anpri've tried to get more free space17:25
Anprand now i just lost 20mb more17:25
Anprfucking hell...17:25
timeless_mbpAnpr: have you tried actually *READING* about gainroot?17:25
timeless_mbpi mean, seriously, this is not rocket science17:25
Anprhow can i do this update... fucking hell17:25
Stskeepssudo gainroot17:25
johnsu01Anpr: did you try what I just suggested?17:25
timeless_mbpbut if you go typing random commands you will brick your device17:25
torrancew`bash --version` -> GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)...17:25
Anpri got no experience and nothing about all those commands17:26
Anpri do what wiki and maemo forums sais17:26
* Stskeeps ponders what he did to this poor thing17:26
Anpri just asked you to help me17:26
Anprhow can i do and explain17:26
Stskeepsthis isn't a support channel either, please be patient17:26
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Stskeepsthere's well-willing people here but they require one thing from you: patience.17:26
torrancewfwiw, i think my issue stems from a bug in that version of bash, but am not sure17:27
Anpri'm patient17:27
C-S-B-N900got irreco working but jeez, its ugly.17:27
C-S-B-N900needs better ui17:27
timeless_mbpAnpr: randomly messaging people doesn't qualify as patient17:27
torrancewC-S-B-N900: i agree17:27
toggles_wAnpr: what update are you trying to install?17:27
Anpri asked 2 times nobody replied, then you said to me go to wiki, that's what i did17:28
C-S-B-N900torrancew: the button are no practical.17:28
timeless_mbpAnpr: what wiki page did you go to?17:28
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andrewfblackIf someone wants to be my best friend they can rewrite this for US Weight Watchers I'll give you all the information you need.  I'll even do a custom theme for you how ever you want it :)17:28
timeless_mbphas perfectly clear instructions17:28
torrancewthough i mainly just wish the ir port was on the 'top' (side with usb connector), and that irreco was a vertical app17:28
C-S-B-N900*buttons *practical.17:28
timeless_mbpwhich i'd hope a child could follow17:28
andrewfblackthis =
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timeless_mbpdid you follow the 'root' links?17:29
timeless_mbpthere are probably a dozen on that page17:29
johnsu01Anpr: "Simply check the disabled box and save in the Application Manager's catalogues menu. wait for app manger to update the lists. Of course this only helps if you actually had these repositories enabled. "17:29
timeless_mbpthey all link to the same page i'm looking at17:29
Anpri've done first two clean and autorevome17:29
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Anprthen i did $ mkdir -p /home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache/archives/partial17:29
Anprand apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade17:29
Anprand it took 20mb more of my rootsh17:29
timeless_mbprootsh is a package17:29
timeless_mbprootfs is a file system17:30
timeless_mbpplease do NOT confuse them17:30
Anprokay, so from the file system17:30
Anpri just want about 50mb free in my rootfs17:30
Anprto make an update17:30
Anprthat's it17:30
hrwAnpr: move /var/cache/apt /var/lib/apt outside17:31
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hrwAnpr: then /usr/lib/locale /usr/share/locale/ /usr/lib/gstreamer-*17:31
timeless_mbphas perfectly clear instructions17:31
timeless_mbphrw: you're going to get Anpr's n900 bricked :)17:32
* timeless_mbp grumbles17:33
Anprtimeless it sais create a file containing this script17:33
timeless_mbpAnpr: yes17:33
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Anprwhere should i paste those commands?17:33
timeless_mbpcat > ~/move-to-opt.sh17:34
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timeless_mbpthen hold CTRL and press D17:34
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timeless_mbpbut if you don't know enough about unix to do this17:34
timeless_mbpthen you should just FOLLOW THE INSTALLER'S ADVICE17:34
timeless_mbpand let it reflash your n90017:34
timeless_mbpbecause really, you should never BLINDLY paste commands17:34
timeless_mbpyou're going to get someone killed17:34
timeless_mbp(it could be you, it could be me, but it doesn't matter, getting people killed isn't nice)17:35
timeless_mbpthe instructions from application manager while written in Fingrish aren't so bad17:35
timeless_mbpthey're basically:17:35
timeless_mbp1. CREATE A BACKUP17:35
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hrwdid someone tried to use PR1.1.1 with PR1.2 kernel?17:35
timeless_mbp(you should do this ANYWAY)17:35
timeless_mbp2. get a normal computer17:35
Anprif i have this script but i just don't know how to run it17:36
timeless_mbp3. run download the FIASCO image to it17:36
Anpri got it as moveroot.sh17:36
timeless_mbp4. download the flasher (or nokia pc suite's updater)17:36
Anprin mydocs folder17:36
timeless_mbp5. use the updater to reflash17:36
timeless_mbp6. Restore your backup17:36
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timeless_mbpit's incredibly simple17:36
timeless_mbpand so much less frustrating17:36
timeless_mbpand you might at least learn how to use your desktop computer17:36
timeless_mbpwhich might be a goos idea17:36
timeless_mbp(where's that dumb bot!)]17:37
timeless_mbpAnpr: so move it out of mydocs17:37
timeless_mbpand how did you get it in mydocs?17:37
Anprcreated folder mydocs in n900 directory and send by bluetooth17:37
Anprwhere shall i move it ?17:37
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* timeless_mbp is waiting for the day that someone creates using Notes!17:37
timeless_mbp~ !17:38
timeless_mbpbut again17:38
timeless_mbpif you don't understand this, then you shouldn't do it17:38
timeless_mbpjust follow my six easy steps17:38
timeless_mbpthen you can get a book about Unix or Linux and read it17:38
timeless_mbpheck, you can install FBReader later and read it w/ your reflashed n900! :)17:38
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Anprbut why do i need reflash my n90017:38
Anprif i just want to run the script ?17:39
timeless_mbpyou don't17:39
timeless_mbpbut you clearly don't have a clue17:39
timeless_mbpwhich means you're going to brick it anyway17:39
timeless_mbpand you might as well save EVERYONE a lot of hassle17:39
torrancewAnpr: a reflash really is pretty painless17:39
timeless_mbpand just reflash it17:39
Anprif you help me i would not break it17:39
torrancewif you backup first17:39
timeless_mbpyou would have been done an hour ago17:39
timeless_mbpand i wouldn't be PISSED at you17:39
Anproh, why are you pissed, i'm just asking and willing to get help17:40
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Anpryes i now, that i have no clue about all those things17:40
timeless_mbpbecause you're doing a terrible job of reading perfectly reasonable instructions17:40
timeless_mbpand you don't know a thing about linux17:40
Anpri'm just every day user who wants to make an update17:40
Anprthat's it17:40
hrwAnpr: sorry, but you are n00b and we do not want you do fuck up your phone doing things you do not understand17:40
timeless_mbpthe instructions are for people who do know a thing about linux17:40
timeless_mbpUSE THE FLASHER17:40
timeless_mbpIT IS NOT PAINFUL17:40
timeless_mbpIT DOES NOT HURT17:41
timeless_mbpIT IS NOT HARD17:41
timeless_mbpIT DOES NOT TAKE LONG17:41
Stskeepsyou mean NSU17:41
C-S-B-N900timeless_mbp: whats he trying to do?17:41
timeless_mbpi think my step 4 listed it under 'nokia pc suite's updater'17:41
timeless_mbpC-S-B-N900: brick his device17:41
timeless_mbp(and piss me off)17:42
timeless_mbpnot necessarily in that order17:42
hrwPR 1.2 hildon-desktop has status menu in portrait ;)17:42
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timeless_mbphrw: yep17:42
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timeless_mbpyou can even get it in the browser ;-)17:42
C-S-B-N900Linux is not hard but mindless windows users should just jump into it.17:42
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timeless_mbp(give it a try)17:42
hrwtimeless_mbp: I saw code for that in git repo long time ago (before PR1.1)17:42
timeless_mbps/windows //17:42
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hrwtimeless_mbp: anyway it force me to scroll by using just 2/3 of screen17:42
timeless_mbphrw: oh yeah17:43
* andrewfblack was a mindless windows user 2 years ago when he got his N810 and he just jumped in17:43
timeless_mbpthat's a cute feature17:43
C-S-B-N900tell him to install linux and learn it before trying to mess anbout with an embedded linux device.17:43
timeless_mbpi took a bunch of pictures of it17:43
timeless_mbpi didn't get around to finding/filing a bug17:43
timeless_mbpC-S-B-N900: please be my guest17:43
hrwtimeless_mbp: cute? it is rather 'partially done' ;D17:43
hrwbut nice anyway17:43
timeless_mbphrw: when a girl does something incredibly stupid, it's funny17:44
timeless_mbpthis is like that17:44
timeless_mbpit's "cute"17:44
timeless_mbpyou're amused by how hard she tried17:44
ebzzryWow. I read my scrollback buffer and realize that some people are really, well, dense.17:44
timeless_mbpit's cute17:44
Xisdibiktimeless_mbp: lol17:44
timeless_mbpwith apologies to smart women everywhere17:44
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C-S-B-N900I actually missed the meat of the convo.17:45
timeless_mbphowever, i will note that my observation is based on a woman who is fairly intelligent, and yet still managed to well ...17:45
C-S-B-N900what was said?17:45
timeless_mbpC-S-B-N900: you could read the channel logs ;-)17:45
Anprso i need fiasco software ?17:45
gouverneurAnpr: STOP17:45
C-S-B-N900requires scroling up with minute scroll bar. :p17:45
ebzzrySeriously, "sudo sh ... wtf this doesn't work yada yada", wtf.17:45
gouverneurAnpr: what do you want to do what is your running system?17:46
Anprgouverneur i want to do an update17:46
timeless_mbpgouverneur: at this point i think it's moderately safe to say that Anpr's system isn't in a safe state anyway and should be rebuilt anyway17:46
hrwAnpr: from which ver to which ver?17:46
timeless_mbpeven if i were given his n900, i'd reflash it17:46
timeless_mbpand i've been known to manually update a number of other nokian's n900's17:47
gouverneurAnpr: update of what?17:47
gouverneurAnpr: your OS answer is missing17:47
Anprim trying to find version17:47
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gouverneurAnpr: your PC's OS! N900 Version is in settings about17:48
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Anprmy pc OS is Vista Ultimate17:48
gouverneurfine you dont need fiasco!!!17:48
gouverneurwhat do you want to upgrade?17:48
nidOI missed this conversation but it looks humerous17:48
Anpras timeless said i want to flash my n90017:49
gouverneurnidO: I am pissed as hell!17:49
gouverneurAnpr: why do you wnat to flash your device?17:49
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Anprbecause i can't get enough space in my rootfs17:49
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nidOare the really obvious step-by-step wiki instructions on using flasher that hard?17:49
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mikhas(ssssh, quiet - do not disturb! this screen play is nearing its climax)17:49
Anpri tried instructions on17:49
gouverneurnidO: its not about flasher! he is running vista17:50
gouverneurAnpr: dont listen to others than me by now!17:50
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mikhashe wants to flash his PC using sudo sh on his n900, I think17:50
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nidOunless it's x64, I dont see the problem. you're not suggesting using nsu are you?17:50
Anprfucking hell17:50
Anpri wanted to run the script first17:51
gouverneurAnpr: what does about say in your n900's settings?17:51
Anprbut timeless_mbp said there is no point as i'm idiot and i should get my n900 flashed...17:51
hrwI am wondering does nokia maemo team ever read packaging policy17:51
Anpri just wanted to update my n90017:51
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Anprbut it said not enough memory in target location17:51
hrwmodest depends on unversioned libraries17:51
Anpri tried that instructions on link i pasted17:51
Anprbut after
gouverneurAnpr: waht is your current rootfs free space?17:52
dneary_I just had a thought17:52
Anprit was 40mb17:52
dneary_Maemo should have political parties for the council elections17:52
Anprbut after  apt-get -o dir::cache=/home/user/MyDocs/apt-archive-cache dist-upgrade17:52
torrancewAnpr: he may have been a bit blunt, but honestly, a reflash is in some cases easier17:52
Anpri lost 20mb more...17:52
gouverneurAnpr: which repositories are active at appmanager?17:52
aSIMULAtortimeless is a bug furry kitten he doesn't bite17:52
timeless_mbphi aSIMULAtor, how are you?17:53
* timeless_mbp is @home sick w/ flu :(17:53
* timeless_mbp goes to make more tea17:53
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aSIMULAtori'm good how are you?17:53
C-S-B-N900i say this is the time for rm -r *17:53
aSIMULAtorur sick :(17:53
timeless_mbpoh, aSIMULAtor: one more thing...17:53
dneary_Imagine, we could have the UML (Union for Mailing Lists) party against the UFU (Union of Forum Users) party, with the MoDev (Movement of Developers) coming in as the 3rd party17:53
dneary_Now, who would be in which partyes?17:54
nidOyou need an f in there as well17:54
Anprgouverneur how do i check my repositories which are active..17:54
Anpri don't know...17:54
Jaffadneary_: I was thinking that if the council continued then perhaps we'd see the start of parties and shared platforms in the next election.17:54
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brickphoneis way to unbrick without reflash?17:55
nidOits at times like this I have to wonder, just a teeny tiny little bit, if maybe apple are onto a good idea with their device design.17:55
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dneary_Jaffa, Of course, once we have political parties we'd need schisms, and extremes17:55
gouverneurAnpr: open up the app manager, tap the top menu, tap application catalogs, write here the names of which are not greyed out17:55
Jaffadneary_: and perhaps even a website where you could say "I support you, who should I vote for" which'd give (say) 1,2,3 on first request, 2,3,1 on second request and 3,1,2 on third request to try and get their candidates in ;-)17:55
hrwmodest: symbol lookup error: /usr/bin/modest.launch: undefined symbol: hildon_live_search_new17:55
gouverneurbrickphone: nope17:55
Jaffadneary_: Did you not read all the "nominations open" thread? ;-)17:55
C-S-B-N900I wonder if Anpr needs  :(){ :|:& };:17:55
dneary_Jaffa, Yes - splitting constituencies would be vitally important17:55
hrw~curse nokia so called developers for having no idea about packaging17:55
dneary_Jaffa, Not really17:55
nidOanpr needs a reflash then an n900 manual17:55
Jaffadneary_: We've got schisms between sane people and not-sane people already ;-)17:56
* Jaffa decline to comment on who is is in which group ;-)17:56
gouverneurnidO: brickphone needs a reflash17:56
brickphonedoes re-flash void warrante?17:56
lcukwhich versions17:56
gouverneurbrickphone: nope17:56
Jaffahrw: however, on the plus side, the user-guide package in PR1.2 has a good .desktop file which includes "Categories="17:56
Anpri got in catalogues : Nokia applications, Nokia system software updates, ovi,, applications, extras-devel17:56
gouverneurbrickphone: how did you brick your phone?17:56
nidOyeah, why did you enable extras-devel?17:56
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brickphoneon toilet17:57
Anpri didn't17:57
nidOyes you did17:57
hrwlcuk: check PR1.2 packages - many of them do not lists package versions for libraries17:57
Anpror i have no clue how17:57
gouverneurAnpr: tap extras-devel and disable it17:57
gouverneurAnpr: or better delete it17:57
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andrewfblackgouverneur: I would have Anpr just delete it17:57
lcukhrw build depends versions?17:57
nidOin fact you didnt just enable it, you sat and typed in all the connection info for it..17:57
andrewfblacklol you beat me to it17:57
gouverneurandrewfblack: right ;)17:57
brickphoneit got water but screen still works17:58
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hrwlcuk: built packages17:58
dneary_Jaffa, Did you see that Aldon Hynes wrote a person-by-person report on all the candidates?17:58
C-S-B-N900nidO: in fairness he may have used a one click install link.17:58
C-S-B-N900you know mindless windows users, they click anything without thinking.17:58
nidOI dont think anyone's irresponsible enough to do that with the devel repo17:58
Anprand now ?17:58
gouverneurWTF he drops it in the toilet and thinks its a software issue?!17:58
nidOas in, actually set up an .install file to add the repo17:58
lcukof course its a software issue17:58
gouverneurAnpr: tap outside the tab17:59
lcukapt-get uninstall water17:59
lcukperhaps he has some new poo powered inductive charger17:59
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gouverneurAnpr: it should now reload repository lists and free up at least 17MB of your root fs18:00
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Anprok, i am back now to 40mb free space again18:00
gouverneurAnpr: app-manager still open?18:00
nidOuninstall all the -devel applications you added, as well18:00
Anprgouverneur yes18:00
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gouverneurAnpr: nidO is just right uninstall all apps from devel18:01
Anprhow do i know which onces are from devel ?18:01
Anpri just deleted that catalogue18:01
gouverneurAnpr: you will find a list of all apps at and as long as noone has a better idea you have to do it by hand18:01
C-S-B-N900if we install ext3 mount sd card, we can remount folders to that cant we? would that not help him save space?18:02
gouverneurAnpr: you do not need the catalogue for that18:02
gouverneurAnpr: wait a second I look it up18:02
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GAN900dneary_, you're a sick man.18:03
dneary_GAN900, For the political parties thing?18:03
andrewfblackdneary_: who is Alon Hynes18:03
GAN900dneary_, and read those threads. They're wonderful with popcorn.18:03
GAN900dneary_, yeah.18:03
dneary_andrewfblack, Aldon - he's been pretty active on mailing lists recently & on MeeGo lists too18:04
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andrewfblackdneary_: ahh that explains why I didn't know the name new job is blocking me from mailing lists I got to find a way around that I just don't want to send mailing list to work email address18:04
gouverneurAnpr: thats for free and the next for nonfree18:05
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C-S-B-N900has anyone tried reformatting Mydocs partition to ext3. permissions would then hold18:05
C-S-B-N900i dont need vfat.18:05
GAN900le sigh @ aldon's blog18:05
Anprgouverneur omg it's a very big list18:05
* GAN900 needs to stop coming across as anti-end-user.18:05
gouverneurnow have a look at your app-manager and compare the versions if they meet uninstall! if not keep it!18:06
gouverneurAnpr: thats why it is 17MB!!!18:06
nidOgouverneur there's an easier way to do that.18:06
Anprand if i reflash my device it will be without all that shit ?18:06
Anprand capable for update18:06
gouverneurAnpr: you may write down what you uninstalled and install it from extras (not devel not testing) if available18:06
nidOlook through that much smaller list18:06
nidOand uninstall everything thats *not* on it18:06
C-S-B-N900reflash,save your time.18:06
gouverneurAnpr: yes18:07
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Anprokay, i will try to do flash18:07
jo-erlendif i want to make my n900 a multiuser thing, what would i do to allow and deny phone and 3g usage?18:07
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gouverneurnidO: and what is about software existing in extras and extras-devel?18:07
timeless_mbphrw: so, i bet modest is technically packaged by a non nokian ;-)18:07
timeless_mbpisn't the packaging in the open source repository?18:07
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GAN900Policy is still out of date, isn't it?18:08
nidOlooking at the version number that's right after the name isnt hard18:08
GAN900I don't think it's been updated in forever.18:08
timeless_mbpJaffa: i stil want Mail to move to Office :(18:08
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timeless_mbpdneary_: aldon's writing is interesting, does he have an irc nick?18:10
dneary_timeless_mbp, Not one that I know :)18:10
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andrewfblackGAN900: your really not as anti end user in person18:11
GAN900andrewfblack, I'm not anti-end-user at all18:11
andrewfblackGAN900: I know, but you used to come off that way a few years back18:12
GAN900I just don't believe that ends users are members of the community by default18:12
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GAN900nor do I believe that is particularly well suited to serving end users.18:12
andrewfblackGAN900: You going to FLS this year?18:12
GAN900andrewfblack, likely.18:12
andrewfblackGAN900: going to try and talk Brian into giving some more stuff lol18:13
GAN900andrewfblack, I mean, assuming you can get a table. ;)18:13
andrewfblackGAN900: Get a table I got it under control18:13
GAN900Hopefully we can get some MeeGo signage.18:13
andrewfblackI really want to go to SELF again this year but they moved it 3 more hours away from me18:13
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Stskeepsi like the Mer logo better than MeeGo logo :P18:14
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andrewfblackStskeeps: did you ever see the 4 foot poster I made of Mer logo?18:15
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Stskeepsandrewfblack: nop?18:18
hrwStskeeps: do we have boot menu for n900?18:18
Stskeepshrw: yes we do18:18
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hrwStskeeps: url?18:18
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hrwStskeeps: due to experiments with device I would prefer to have such one ;)18:19
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Stskeepshrw: you'll probably need to patch in usb networking and such as well, it isn't as featureful18:19
Stskeepsand it doesn't use a initfs, so18:19
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hrwStskeeps: but as long as rootfs boots to bootmenu level I am ok18:20
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* C-S-B-N900 wants to play with neopwn.18:28
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* nidO wants his archos back18:28
MiXu-hmm... I seriously don't understand the rationale for having a 256MB rootfs18:28
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nidOrationale is simple18:29
microlithbecause that was the biggest device available when the N900 was designed18:29
nidO1) pick a nand chi18:29
nidO2) buy the biggest available18:29
nidO= 256mb rootfs18:29
nidOwhats hard to get?18:29
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MiXu-ok, 256 is maybe ok if you design the device so that it doesn't get filled up18:30
C-S-B-N900quick and cheap, for average user, its anough18:30
microlithMiXu-: which is why packages need to be optified18:30
nidOcost isnt really a factor C-S-B, when the device was designed 512mb nand chips simply didnt exist18:30
* microlith has never filled his rootfs, despite messing with it a lot18:30
dneary_GAN900, Jaffa: So is anyone running a pool on the top 3, 4 or 5 candidates?18:30
MiXu-but now it fills up to the point where it causes problems to upgrading firmware18:30
nidOyou play with devel software, it causes problems18:31
nidOwhy is this news?18:31
microlithMiXu-: adding -testing and -devel will eat a fair amount of space just from caching18:31
dneary_I'm betting the incumbents & returning champions poll top - Texrat (popular on the forum), Jaffa and GA18:31
* microlith disabled them when updating to PR1.1 and had plenty of space18:31
dneary_And unfortulately I've noticed that the great developers have had a harder time getting elected (achipa, andy80)18:32
MiXu-that's the thing - I don't even have anything installed that's really experimental18:32
C-S-B-N900microlith: really? i have them but im not any where near filling...18:32
dneary_I don't really know the others well enough to guess where they might end up - do any of them have monster followings on the forum?18:32
gouverneurMiXu-: I got about 58.6MB free, what is it with you people?18:33
GAN900dneary_, I have my own idea of the perfect council18:33
C-S-B-N900acutually im at 80%18:33
dneary_GAN900, Well, spit it out18:33
GAN900Just hoping it syncs up well enough with the voters. ;)18:33
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dneary_It's not going to happen if you don't say what you want it to be18:33
GAN900Has a monster forum following18:33
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dneary_You have a big enough following I bet you could ask some of your voters to give their #1 to someone else & help get them elected18:34
MiXu-gouverneur: I have 52MB after I disabled extras-testing18:34
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GAN900He's the pb of this election18:34
nidO52mb is plenty18:34
GAN900dneary_, ha, I can't see THAT backfiring.18:34
MiXu-I thought you need 50 to be able to upgrade the firmware?18:35
dneary_GAN900, Sure, it might backfire if you did it from the get-go, but the election's been underway for a few days - you probably already have enough votes to get elected18:35
gouverneurMiXu-: a better setup of where to put things and proper mounting it somewhere would be nice yes but I dont need more rootfs18:35
C-S-B-N900ive 39...18:35
gouverneurMiXu-: that was with PR1.1 I think18:35
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GAN900dneary_, nah, I'm thinking more along the lines of the political fallout. ;)18:35
MiXu-I thought you'd need 50MB to PR1.2.18:35
dneary_Afraid to be the bad guy for the UFU?18:36
GAN900It might undermine that candidates position18:36
gouverneurand just disable all repos but nokia will free you up enough space to upgrade18:36
GAN900I'm poisonous to a lot of groups. ;)18:36
MiXu-but if that's not the case then I guess it's not that bad18:36
dneary_GAN900, Perhaps he wouldn't get elected without your help...18:36
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dneary_I'm really hoping andy80 gets elected. We need someone with a very good awareness of developer issues on there18:37
MiXu-I was really worried about this for a second18:37
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gouverneurMiXu-: and still if there is, disabling repos and moving some stuff around and I free you 30MB in less than 40seconds!18:37
MiXu-because I'm gonna be working on Maemo soon :D18:37
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gouverneurMiXu-: working? working what?18:38
GAN900dneary_, he was awesome in BCN18:38
MiXu-gouverneur: testing18:38
* GAN900 got some really good tapas guidance. ;)18:38
gouverneurtesting what18:38
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* lcuk did not like tapas18:38
C-S-B-N900mmm... im hungry. not had tapas in awhile.18:38
MiXu-gouverneur: the system18:38
dneary_GAN900, He is awesome18:39
gouverneurMiXu-: ???18:39
MiXu-gouverneur: maemo system testing for Nokia18:39
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gouverneurah ok...18:40
* noobmonk3y will be at butlins in 2 hours, wohoooooooo (And i'm not driving! rock onnnnnnnn)18:40
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noobmonk3yjust for  a meal with friends who are there :D18:47
noobmonk3ybut off to butlins minehead next week :D18:47
nidOgutted again.18:47
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noobmonk3yawwww can have a drink for you if that helps :P18:48
nidOI meant gutted for you actually... :>18:48
noobmonk3yits not where you go18:48
noobmonk3yits who you go with ;)18:48
noobmonk3yi quite enjoy a bit of chav'tastic'isms ;)18:48
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nidOI have to say I miss my free entry to center parcs18:49
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noobmonk3yooo i want free entry to center parcs too!18:52
nidOgo work there :P18:52
C-S-Bwhat did you do there?18:52
C-S-Bnever been to one, what are they like?18:52
nidOwas a lifeguard at the elveden parc18:52
nidOtheyre great fun, as long as you have money to spend18:53
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noobmonk3ygoing to one next year, norfolky way as a friend runs watersports up there in the summer :D18:53
nidOmost people generally end up spending more while there than booking the break costs18:53
noobmonk3yanyway, home then butlins time18:53
noobmonk3yciaoooooooooooo alls18:53
nidObecause other than accomodation and access to the water park etc, pretty much everything else at the resort costs money18:53
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C-S-Bbutlins? lol18:53
nidOnoobmonk3y the norfolky one is elveden18:54
noobmonk3yok, going out for dnner, it just so happens my friends are at butlins18:54
C-S-Bis this predominately UK people in here?18:54
* noobmonk3y is 1/2 ozzy ;0 lol18:54
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noobmonk3ybut yes in the UK18:54
nidOI think among us three that're active yeah18:54
C-S-Bnoobmonk3y, ive been in oz for the last 7 months or more18:54
C-S-Bim in uk now though18:54
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C-S-Bthat're <----likes this.18:55
toggles_wmmmm (y)UK18:55
C-S-Btoggles_w, agreed18:55
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toggles_wi'm about to get on a plane to head across the pond to join you ;-)18:56
Arif_why would you want to be in the UK18:56
C-S-Byou wouldnt18:56
C-S-Bits cold and rubbish18:56
C-S-Band you have to pay for it18:56
toggles_wlunch at the borough markets tomorrow, can't wait18:56
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Arif_it has18:56
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Arif_lots of pr0n comes from the UK18:56
C-S-Bo rly/18:56
Arif_which is not interesting :O18:57
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Arif_oh and I watch Sky Digital illegally :P18:57
C-S-Bhow ?18:57
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toggles_wmy flatmate used to do it by hacknig the cards18:57
C-S-Bi thought the crypto for sky hadnt been cracked?18:57
toggles_won his bebox, oh, those were the days18:58
Arif_its not cracked18:58
Arif_the cards are being "shared"18:58
C-S-Bduplicates? or just swapped between you?18:58
Arif_via the internet18:58
Arif_digital copies18:58
Arif_costs about €10 a month18:58
C-S-BArif_, explain further, im interested?18:58
Arif_....I don't think I should be talking about it here18:59
C-S-Bhe backs up his card, sends dump to you?18:59
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C-S-Byou put dump on another card?18:59
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Arif_you just enter a server name19:00
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C-S-Bwhat box do you have?19:02
Arif_I have a DVBS card with DVBViewer19:02
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zaheermsasc-ng facilitates this19:04
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andrewfblackStskeeps: Let me see if I can find photos for FLS I think the poster is in some19:05
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GAN900andrewfblack, jjackowski's photostream?19:09
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dneary_Bye all19:10
DocScrutinizer/traceroute  Arif_19:10
dneary_Off running19:10
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andrewfblackGAN900: yeah19:11
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gavinwhat is it with the italians and IRC warez seeking?19:29
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Arif_who uses IRC to download warez anyway :P19:32
hrwArif_: I remember times of dcc warez bots19:33
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Arif_fserves ftw19:33
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hrwThe following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: rootsh19:34
hrw~curse ham19:34
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* andrewfblack guesses he needs to go outside of community to get some of the applications he wants wrote written. Hard to believe you can't even pay someone to write an app for you.19:35
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hrwandrewfblack: ?19:36
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timeless_mbpandres: written written, no? :)19:37
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andrewfblackhrw: just a little rant I've been trying to get a few applications I want written for a few months now.  One someone wrote for me on Diablo works on fremantle but has some bugs.  I have offered bountys for them but I guess I need to try one of those freelancer sites19:38
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infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee19:42
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: who'd you bribe?19:43
DocScrutinizerwas too stupid to refuse19:43
satmdno err... not quite19:43
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: the canops got tired of me nagging them to do boring housekeeping tasks ;-)19:47
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GAN900Stskeeps, it's all about the delegation.19:52
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: good :)19:52
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: let me put it this way: one more chan to keep an eye on doesn't matter19:54
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: yeah, i know - i forgot a ;) somewhere19:55
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* C-S-B loves fm transmitter listening to tunes over the radio or using the gps in the car19:56
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andrewfblackanyone know size of border around icons on desktop?20:06
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KhertanHi !20:09
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Myrttioh, it's you again20:13
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L0NELY-TR0LLIt is not me!!20:13
L0NELY-TR0LLSo.. what is new20:13
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zaheerm-lpsome people don't have better things to do20:14
GAN900Guy just doesn't know when to quit.20:14
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MyrttiGAN900: gal, apparently.20:14
L0NELY-TR0LLit hurts20:14
aSIMULAtoryou have big balls?20:14
GAN900Myrtti, women troll?20:14
aSIMULAtorlike Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge20:14
zaheerm-lpL0NELY-TR0LL, you should have better things to do20:14
L0NELY-TR0LLzaheerm-lp For example20:14
MyrttiGAN900: so I've been informed20:14
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GAN900Myrtti, my world view has been shaken. *g*20:15
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aSIMULAtorif he was a real troll20:15
aSIMULAtorwatch for hte onslaught20:15
Myrttishe's claimed that female ops are jealous of the attention she gets from men20:16
Arif_we have female ops?20:16
Myrttiso far, she's managed to get herself banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic20:16
MyrttiArif_: other channels do20:16
Myrttithough I wouldn't mind the idea on this channel either... *g*20:16
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MyrttiGod knows I've seen stuff that would have earned atleast a warning on other channels20:17
* Arif_ whistles20:17
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* Khertan is happy theme is now implemented in pygtkeditor20:19
Khertanand it s works20:19
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Arif_whos implemented in whatnow?20:19
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Khertani do it :)20:20
Khertanbut not release it ...20:20
GAN900Myrtti, lol, that's classic.20:21
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GAN900Considering the unfortunagely male-biased ratio of IRC I'd argue there's plenty of attention for everybody. *eg*20:22
* Myrtti would love to have less attention, really...20:23
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Myrttiespecially calling me a whore or bitch or telling me they know my home address is the kind of attention I can live without20:24
Arif_you really get that?20:24
Khertanas i m still waiting the removal of pygtkeditor from extras repository ...20:24
MyrttiArif_: joys of being an op on the biggest channel of Freenode20:24
corecode_\o/ conboy20:24
Gadgetoid_iMacI missed troll... damn20:25
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Arif_so did you ever get a visit? :P20:25
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corecode_what's the biggest # on freenode?20:25
hugokernel1anyone can help me about sixaxis controller and n900 ?20:25
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Myrtticorecode_: /msg alis list * -min 100020:26
Gadgetoid_iMacProbably #ubuntu at a guess... as any ubuntu user gets autojoined?20:26
Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: what's wrong?20:26
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MyrttiGadgetoid_iMac: no, they don't get autojoined when they start the computer20:27
hugokernel1i have read all thread on forum and much more but nothing... pairing with controller is ok20:27
Gadgetoid_iMacMyrtti: are you implying there are people using Ubuntu without running IRC!?20:27
MyrttiGadgetoid_iMac: strangly enough, yes!!!1120:27
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hugokernel1my dmesg when pairing : generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx20:28
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Gadgetoid_iMacMyrtti: does not compute!20:28
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Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: what steps have you followed thus far?20:29
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Gadgetoid_iMacAnd have you removed the input plugin from the disabled list in the bluetooth conf? that farks it up20:29
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Gadgetoid_iMacergo: it *should* be disabled, not enabled20:30
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GAN900Myrtti, plenty of unpleasant people everywhere, I guees. :(20:31
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: this one :
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DocScrutinizeralmost like in RL ;-P20:31
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DocScrutinizerin RL you got no ignorelist though, and /kick is going to be a violent act20:32
Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: have you tinkered with your /etc/bluetooth/main.conf at all?20:32
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MyrttiDocScrutinizer: as an op I get no ignorelist either, and atleast with RL I can walk away, or just blatantly tell people to fuck off, which isn't what I can do wrt Ubuntu stuff20:33
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Yes, i have tested all possiblities with DisablePlugin and rebooted every time20:33
Gadgetoid_iMacThe line should read: DisablePlugins = network,input,hal20:34
DocScrutinizer(ignorelist) well you're supposed to not have any. though it still works20:34
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, yeah, but at least there's no real anonymity to make people worse. ;)20:35
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: yes, i have that20:35
DocScrutinizerthat's a fact20:35
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Gadgetoid_iMacAnd controller set up with sixpair?20:35
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DocScrutinizerexcept for police special sqads, and cu clux clan20:36
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: yes20:36
ptl* sigh *20:36
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Pairing is ok, i see that in dmesg20:36
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac:  but, i have a new device in /dev/input named event420:37
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: when i run evtest /dev/input/event4/, nothing happen when i tape on sixaxis button20:37
StskeepsX-Fade: doubt it'll be noticable, but grabbing all fremantle sources for fun and profit :P20:37
Tobarja_n810will the n810 charge via usb?20:38
Stskeepsthere's a hardware hack for it, i think20:38
Stskeepsbut not out of box20:38
DocScrutinizerTobarja_n810: no, not afaik20:38
Tobarja_n810ok thanks20:39
Gadgetoid_iMacHmmm, I never tries any of that, just fired up an emulator and it worked20:39
DocScrutinizerTobarja_n810: I could check the hw schematics, to find out if there's a way to implement it - if you're really that interested in it20:39
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: could you tell me what you see in your dmesg when you press sixaxis PS button20:40
StskeepsDocScrutinizer, Tobarja_n810:
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: please20:40
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Gadgetoid_iMacWill give it a shot, with the controller off?20:41
GAN900DocScrutinizer, Klu Klux Klan. ;)20:41
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: yes20:42
GAN900Oops, N900 keyboard fail!20:42
Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: input: PLAYSTATION(R)3 Controller (00:1B:FB:9F:2D:D0) as /class/input/input520:42
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: this kensington fake is about adapter USB->barrel20:42
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, thank you20:43
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: i have « input: CSR HIDEngine Keyboard as /class/input/input4 »20:43
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: ... not exactly about carging N810 via usb-micro receptacle20:43
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: and « generic-bluetooth 0005:4005:8AF4.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v0.00 Keyboard [CSR HIDEngine Keyboard] on xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx »20:43
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: yeah, but still :P20:43
Gadgetoid_iMacHmm, hugokernel1 is this using the package installed from repos?20:44
Tobarja_n810well dang... that's not exactly what i was thinking about but it would do the trick.20:44
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: yes20:44
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: my sixaxis is not a real sony controller20:44
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Gadgetoid_iMacI can't imagine why that would make a difference, though, unless the "hack"/"driver" is looking for a specific identification string to latch on to20:44
Gadgetoid_iMacI'm using the sixad package, and a geniune DS220:45
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: i search in source driver identifier but i don't found20:45
Gadgetoid_iMacWell, that's that theory dead in the water, then!20:45
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: seen kbd driver hickup several times. usually closing slide fixes that20:45
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: ok20:46
GAN900DocScrutinizer, also: muscle memory fail. ;)20:46
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Gadgetoid_iMacI hate that Sonic loses rings by hitting spikes side on... what the hell!20:46
DocScrutinizerGAN900: (KKK) thanks :-)20:46
GAN900DocScrutinizer, since, you know, spelling extremist hate group names properly is so important. ;)20:47
jacekowskiGAN900: sonic?20:47
jacekowskiGadgetoid_iMac: sonic?20:47
jacekowskiGadgetoid_iMac: on maemo?20:47
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: well I'm always trying to improve my spelling. It's abysmal20:48
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, spell check did a lot of damage to mine.20:48
Gadgetoid_iMacjacekowski: yes...20:48
Gadgetoid_iMacIn MasterGear20:49
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Gadgetoid_iMacBlame hugokernel1, he made me go and get my PS3 controller, and one thing lead to another, and I'm playing Sonic 1 again20:49
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: ;)20:50
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Thank you for the help20:50
wizkoderhy everybody20:50
wizkoderis the n900 little or big endian?20:50
Gadgetoid_iMacWell the master system sonic is awesome20:50
Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: sorry I couldn't solve it :(20:50
hugokernel1I continue to seek20:50
Gadgetoid_iMacStart with a real DS2 :)20:51
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Play for me ;)20:51
Gadgetoid_iMacAlthough that fake one you linked is very, very convincing20:51
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cpt_nemoIs there a port of emacs 23 for maemo?20:52
cpt_nemoSpecifically one that is compatible with the N810?20:52
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ShadowJKwizkoder, little endian20:53
wizkoderShadowJK: excellent. as is my laptop. thanks20:53
LiraNunaarmel = arm endian little20:53
ShadowJKIt wont even kill you for unaligned access20:53
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wizkoderShadowJK: working on a blowfish algorythm for my program. So I guess I don't have to change nothing for deployment on the n90020:55
ebzzryHi! Is there a way to unlock the screen from the command line (via SSH).20:55
ShadowJKwizkoder, I'm sure there are already blowfish functions available in one of the included libraries :)20:55
DocScrutinizerGAN900: spellcheck for Konversation/4 is somewhat borked. Can't set it to "English" permanently, always switches back to "German" :-/20:56
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lostinmirkwoodebzzry:Been Looking for the same answer, unlock or lite the screen.20:56
wizkoderShadowJK: couldn't find that. So I wrote my own ;-)20:56
ebzzrylostinmirkwood: Hmm.20:56
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ebzzrylostinmirkwood: I need to unlock the screen because VNC would otherwise be useless with it.20:57
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ShadowJKwizkoder, well, openssl would be where I'd start looking :)20:58
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ebzzryI hope there's someone out here who could point out what routines are being performed when the keyboard is slid out.20:58
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GAN900multilingual system-wide dictionaries are nice in OS X21:00
t3rm1n4lis there google summer of code channel for maemo ?21:00
DocScrutinizerGAN900: KDE4 has 1% of new features and 99% of regressions :-/21:00
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lostinmirkwoodebzzry:Found it, it's a DBUS Send Command,
ebzzrylostinmirkwood: Going21:02
dmj726_n9001t3rm1n4l: I don't think there is but think it would be a really good idea.21:03
lostinmirkwoodebzzry:Just tested it and it works fine.21:03
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ebzzrylostinmirkwood: Sweet. Thanks a lot!21:04
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Sho_DocScrutinizer: FWIW, the spell-checking stuff is in kdelibs, it's not Konversation-specific21:04
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ebzzryDocScrutinizer: Going21:05
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ebzzryDocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot!21:07
jonne|reconnecteif you installed the cifs package, is it possible to mount a cifs share through /etc/fstab with maemo?21:07
jonne|reconnectethe same way you'd do it on a debian box?21:07
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microlithjonne|reconnecte: yes, but you have to do some hacking to get it automatic on boot21:08
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microlithand busybox won't let you do it as a regular user (it ignores the user parameter)21:09
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jonne|reconnecteHmm, I guess the hacking part would be a bit over the top21:11
jonne|reconnecteI'm ok with editing conf files and installing packages, but that's all I'm doing with this phone ;-)21:11
jonne|reconnectethanks for the answer21:11
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DocScrutinizerwatch out fstab is autocreated on boot time21:11
jonne|reconnecteI guess there's no other way to auto-mount my NAS when I walk into my LAN?21:12
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Jaffaanyone in the mood for some election-oriented wiki editing?21:17
fnordianslipi guess automount is ou of the question?21:17
DocScrutinizerSho_: thanks. Probably it's best to switch to english spellcheck in kde-sysconfig21:17
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jonne|reconnectemeh, I guess it's not really necessary to be able to access my music from my phone when I'm home, as I can just use my computers for that21:18
jonne|reconnectewould be cool, though21:18
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: could you take a « ls -la » in your /dev/input when your sixaxis is connected ?21:19
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Sho_DocScrutinizer: Possibly. The KDE 4 spell-checking implementation was originally designed to do language detection on a per-paragraph basis to support multi-dictionary spell-checking within the same document, but the developer disappeared at some point (he was actually presumed dead for a while) which meant other had to pick up the slack, and it didn't quite reach its lofty goals. Maybe some remnant of that detection stuff is going haywire for you.21:19
Gadgetoid_iMachugokernel1: you looking for something like  0 crw-rw-r--    1 root     root      13,   0 Mar 25 18:43 js021:20
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac:  ok, thx21:20
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: i don't understand, i have : event0     event1     event2     event3     event4     keypad     pwrbutton  ts         uinput21:21
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Gadgetoid_iMac   0 crw-rw----    1 root     root      13,  64 Jan  1  1970 event021:21
Gadgetoid_iMac   0 crw-rw----    1 root     root      13,  65 Jan  1  1970 event121:21
Gadgetoid_iMac   0 crw-rw----    1 root     root      13,  66 Jan  1  1970 event221:21
Gadgetoid_iMac   0 crw-rw----    1 root     root      13,  67 Jan  1  1970 event321:21
Gadgetoid_iMac   0 crw-rw----    1 root     root      13,  68 Mar 25 18:43 event421:21
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: What's your kernel version ?21:21
Gadgetoid_iMacI have event0, event1, event2, event3, event4, js0, keypad -> event1, mice, mouse0, pwrbutton -> event0, ts -> mouse0, uinput21:21
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Gadgetoid_iMac2.6.28-omap1 pow pow21:22
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: ok, i don't have js021:22
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ebzzryBTW, where is wmctrl?21:23
Gadgetoid_iMacDamn I love the music from Sonic bridge zone21:24
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olyhi, i have got easy debian on my phone, is there a way i can use the chroot from the terminal rather than using the icon ?21:25
DocScrutinizerGadgetoid_iMac: be careful, the limit for pasts is ~5 lines in this chan, and seems is enforced quite rigidly21:25
olybasically i want to use it over ssh connection, but dont know what to type to launch the enviroment21:26
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Gadgetoid_iMacDocScrutinizer: Thanks for the warning... but I like to live on the wild side21:26
olyguessing i just need to know the path to chroot against21:26
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Gadgetoid_iMacI categorically hate internet explorer.21:27
ptlhow is it to categorically hate anything?21:28
Vanadisi love internet explorer21:28
Vanadisi spent 90% of my time on fixing CSS-Bugs in IE621:29
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VanadisBasically, my whole salary is based on Microsoft21:29
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ptlPoor Vanadis. I feel pity.21:30
ptlHow can you stand this pain and suffering?21:31
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Vanadisit's very good paid21:32
hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Could you run /usr/sbin/sixad-uinput-sixaxis ?21:32
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ebzzryAny kind soul out here who would point to me where should I get wmctrl?21:34
Funnyfacemeh, I was going to record video in a pitch dark room today, and it appears that the flashlight app can't run at the same time as the camera.. -_-21:34
SpeedEvilFunnyface, it uses the same driver21:35
Gadgetoid_iMacrequires sixad, please run sixad instead, hugokernel121:35
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: Thx21:35
SpeedEvilFunnyface, anyway. That only works to some 5pcm distance.21:35
Funnyfaceprobably, the camera app fails to open so I was thinking of something along those lines21:36
SpeedEvilmore and you can't see21:36
Gadgetoid_iMacIt also segfaults when given any parameters, nice!21:36
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hugokernel1Gadgetoid_iMac: ok21:37
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C-S-B-N900any going on in here?21:40
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* Stskeeps is really doing crazy things on his lazy evenings21:40
Stskeepscurrently uploading entire fremantle sdk sources to OBS, modified the fremantle gcc to be for armv6+vfp, and seeing how far we get21:41
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ptlis there any dbus call to take a photo while the camera app is running?21:41
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ptlor to otherwise control the camera app.21:41
Stskeepsandrewfblack: i'll be a customer of your bubble bobble theme for sure21:42
andrewfblackStskeeps: lol you seen screenshots yet?21:42
* andrewfblack is thinking of holding all themes hostage until someone programs him a Weight Watchers Calculator lol21:43
andrewfblackStskeeps: I mean Backgrounds not screenshots21:43
Stskeepsyeah, backgrounds21:44
GAN900andrewfblack, if you're not hungry you're doing it wrong?21:44
Stskeepsi played that game quite a lot as a kid :P21:44
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GAN900Suppose somebody could modify the Hello, World example. ;)21:44
andrewfblackGAN900: lol well I've lost 8 lbs in 4 weeks making me happy.  Going to gym 3 times a week also21:44
Arif_I want a jazz jackrabbit 2 port for the N900!21:44
andrewfblackGAN900: If I had time I would learn to do it my self in python but I have knee deep in about 5 themes right now.21:45
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andrewfblackStskeeps: any ideas for the Bubble Bobble themes?  I'm thinking it wont require alot of changes I might just stick with maemo-org theme with color changes, and some bubble bobble things here and there.  I could go all out and make top bar look like platform and all but I think that would be to much21:48
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prontoso i knowy ou can have a vnc viewer on the n900, but am i able to view my n900 via vnc on my desktop?21:48
Stskeepsandrewfblack: i'm not very creative in that area :P21:48
lcukpronto, sure21:50
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andrewfblackif I can find a copy of Inkscape for Windows that will run on a thumb drive I can do more at work I'm stuck with only Gimp at work right now21:51
DocScrutinizerkonttori: (our home became or prison) couldn't agree more, esp wrt the bit about security framework concerns21:52
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konttorithanks. I haven't followed up the latest in security fw developments, but it's very tricky to make something like that developer friendly for non-commercial development.21:53
andrewfblackStskeeps: btw I was trying to make icons fit in between levels on background but I either need to increase space another 20 pixels or so or lose the the border around icons.21:53
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Stskeepswb hrw21:53
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hrwI just answered to konttori's mail21:54
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ptlisn't there inkscape for the N900?21:54
DocScrutinizerkonttori: I'd dare to state it's inpossible21:55
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dmj726_n9001no inkscape, just mypaint.21:55
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ptlmypaint is not vectorial, is it?21:56
hrwptl: I cannot imagine using inkscape on 800x480 highdpi screen21:56
andrewfblackptl: no inkscape on n900 except for with easy debian whihc hates me21:56
konttoriI agree. Me? I would just give it up completely. I don't see the point of it at all. Wel, for the only thing I do see the point is blocking cellmo access. But that's it.21:56
andrewfblackhrw: if I could get inkscape on here I would use it everyday21:57
konttoriand even for that it's overkill.21:57
dmj726_n9001inkscape is barely able to scale to 1024x600.21:57
dmj726_n9001virtual machine?21:58
Stskeepskonttori: i see a benefit to it in a world where devices are more promiscious than an american girl on exchange in europe..21:58
ptlhrw: you'd have to hide most toolbars and UI, for sure21:58
Stskeepsand the fact any extras app could technically blow up the battery21:58
* ShadowJK thinks that's harder/impossible on n90022:00
* hrw wants qt 4.6 on users devices22:00
Vanadisis anybody playing diablo through psx4all?22:00
timeless_mbphi konttori22:00
* timeless_mbp wants 4.822:00
konttoriStskeeps: any interesting security flaws will anyway come in more sneaky forms.22:01
konttoriqt 4.8?22:01
timeless_mbpwhy not?22:01
timeless_mbpeveryone's asking for 4.722:01
* RST38h moos at konttori22:01
timeless_mbpso it's too pedestrian :)22:01
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timeless_mbpkonttori: is it true that my mail widget bug is going to be fixed? :)22:01
konttoritarget it to at leash have 4.7 asap. Yeah, I also want 4.8.22:01
timeless_mbpheh :)22:01
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konttori4.7 is really a minor step, but 4.8 looks to be stellar22:02
* RST38h suggests anyone working on Maemo security carefully check the royal clusterfuck of symbian 9.x22:02
konttorisorry, which mail widget bug. I don't remember discussing such with you.22:02
timeless_mbpRST38h: we prefer to make our own :)22:02
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GAN900lol, Veyron downtown22:02
timeless_mbpkonttori: bugmail cc by me this week22:02
GAN900Gotta love race car drivers.22:0