IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-03-17

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moudmenany news about meego on n900?00:00
* Noobmonk3y_ is off home. ciaooooooooo00:00
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Mouseywhat about mer on n900?00:01
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moudmenermm,, homescreen, n900 is there00:01
moudmenMousey I didn't like it00:01
Lumpio-Pic is unrelated00:01
ali12341what a tease00:02
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* lbt looks at Imad's "Repository Working Group" email...00:04
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Jaffalbt: Much in that thread was... interesting in terms of impedance mismatch.00:11
lbtI almost don't know where to start00:11
* lbt idly wonders how security updates are managed00:12
lbtnot that maemo ever did AFAIK00:12
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Arif_moomo has security?00:15
ArkenkloArif_: no idea, I do however know that _maemo_ is inherently secure00:16
andre__Arif_: the justified ancients of moomo?00:17
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Arif_you can reset the security code with a program, that doesn't sound like a secure OS to me...00:20
DocScrutinizerwtf is a security update?00:20
andre__an update that fixes a security leak?00:21
lbtArif_: ?00:21
DocScrutinizerlike in kernel vulnerability?00:21
Arif_the 5 digit code00:21
Arif_standard 1234500:21
Arif_there was an app on the forums that could reset it :P00:22
lbtArif_: that has about as much relevance to "security" as a yale lock ;)00:22
JaffaArif_: Physical access => all bets are off.00:23
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DocScrutinizerhmm, yes. In which way are those different to a normal update of any component of the system whichever?00:23
JaffaFFS, artbitrary code execution in tar.00:23
JaffaDocScrutinizer: Security updates don't introduce new features and are generally considered a priority.00:24
JaffaDocScrutinizer: In practice, they're just like any other update, but just treated more importantly.00:24
lbtso they need to be *slightly* more frequent than an SSU <rolleyes>00:24
DocScrutinizerwell, that doesn't qualify them for a special management00:24
lbtof course it does00:24
nidOwith most well managed software it does00:24
nidOalmost all well-developed software has seperate update tracks for security/serious bugfixes to functionality improvements00:25
DocScrutinizeryou're thinking of a 'patchday' or what?00:25
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spliffydid extras-devel move? it's returning 40400:27
lbtDocScrutinizer: no, I'm thinking of something sane like Debian and Redhat's security update policies00:27
DocScrutinizeror is this about development management, not about actual deployment of the updates?00:27
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lbtthis is a 'consumer' device (atm)00:27
nidOI would assume the former, I joined this conversation halfway through though :>00:27
lbtso there's no corporate IT to manage deployment00:27
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DocScrutinizerhmm I see00:28
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nidOpresumably more the management of release timelines, rather than the physical process of releasing the updates though?00:28
DocScrutinizerdeployment isn't the problem. With some HAM alike app checking frequently for updates available00:29
lbtwell, the point is more that I doubt it has more than flashed across anyone's mind :)00:29
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lbtand it should be in the repo WG agenda00:29
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DocScrutinizerdeciding on which patches are deployed by whom is00:29
nidOit's just making them available to HAM more regularly than during infrequent major updates that'd be nice00:29
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Jaffa5Crunning my app exposes the whole system to a remote root-level vulnerability explotiitable over the Internet"00:30
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lcukrandom quote of the day: "Excellent. I'm off to buy a Rambo knife and a frisbee"00:45
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noobmonk3ylcuk, just checked healthcheck - it was dead on two weeks :D (From first to last version) :D quite chuffed! hehe00:50
pupnikja vis pe dro!00:50
pupnikja vis pe dro!00:50
* pupnik cues fiesta music00:50
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lcuknoobmonk3y great news00:55
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noobmonk3y:D - going away over easter, which technically means more time to develop with no gf bugging me lol00:55
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GeneralAntillessjgadsby is a big, fat bastard.00:55
noobmonk3yGeneralAntilles - yes.... yes he is......00:55
lcukno hes not GeneralAntilles00:56
lcukhes an outstanding contributor00:56
noobmonk3ylcuk - trust you to be mr babysitter00:56
GeneralAntilleslcuk, Big. Fat. Bastard.00:56
lcukon what grounds :D00:57
GeneralAntillesSee maemo-community00:57
lcuki saw00:57
lcuki dont see a problem00:57
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lcukunless he mailed again in last 2 mins00:57
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lcukGeneralAntilles, i just did the same thing00:58
corecodeoh wow?00:58
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corecodethat's a lot of binaries from nokia00:58
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corecode(installing the sdk right now)00:58
GeneralAntilleslcuk, yeah, at least you have a reasonable sounding excuse, though.00:58
noobmonk3yooo i need to join this mailing list00:58
noobmonk3ysounds like juicy gossip00:58
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lcuklol @ escuse00:59
corecodehow come so much is binary?00:59
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lcuki had written my nomination mail00:59
lcukcorecode, i dont know which bits you are refering00:59
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SpeedEvillcuk: Did you have a tearful acceptance speech planned?00:59
corecodenokia-apps - Meta package for non-free Maemo SDK packages.01:00
lcukbut downloading scratchbox usually results in binary debs01:00
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corecodescratchbox told me to add the nokia binary repo01:00
lcukSpeedEvil, was gonna thank my mum and everything :'(01:00
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noobmonk3yffs why do we do things the hardway... there isn't even a simple join button on the mailing list page01:00
noobmonk3yam i going mad?
lcuk? noob01:01
lcukim sure there is01:01
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noobmonk3ywould be nice to see JOIN in big bold letters, i like doing things quickly :P01:01
lcukahhh right01:01
lcuktheres a page for python developers somewhere01:01
noobmonk3ylol... 1 at a time01:01
noobmonk3yall i want is to join the list01:02
noobmonk3ythe wiki has a million links01:02
noobmonk3yand this one takes me to a page with no join button lol01:02
lcuki was making a rollup and stopped to type that01:02
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lcuknow i have paper and baccy everywhere cos i laughed01:02
noobmonk3yhmmm - i feel like i winge alot, but why oh why oh why can't people make / or use user friendly systems01:02
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noobmonk3yhmmm my other bug-bear01:04
noobmonk3ywhen they display language options as English (USA)01:04
GeneralAntillesnoobmonk3y, pretty bog standard goddamn mailing list interface.01:04
noobmonk3yits either that american's dont know they speak English...... or that they need confirmation? lol01:04
noobmonk3yGeneralAntilles - probably is :D01:04
GeneralAntillesnoobmonk3y, en_US is not the same thing as en_GB . . .01:04
GeneralAntillesor en_AU01:04
noobmonk3ybut never probably joined them because they just arnt me friendly :D01:04
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GeneralAntillesor en_CA01:05
noobmonk3yoh now thats just geeky!01:05
GeneralAntillesNot really.01:05
noobmonk3yenglish.... is english the rest are just bastardisations :D01:05
GeneralAntillesrm -rf en_GB with great prejudice.01:06
GeneralAntillesBut reality, unfortunately, does not bend to my will.01:06
* noobmonk3y is having second thoughts......... will i have to listen to GeneralAntilles prattle on on this mailing list? ;)01:06
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noobmonk3ynow that is geeky, but with my very limited linuxyness, rt or rm = format? ish?01:06
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noobmonk3yoooo interesting choice.....01:07
noobmonk3yWould you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?01:07
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noobmonk3ydoes that mean i get 1 a day?01:07
pupnikburning polyester on your skin makes a melted mess01:07
noobmonk3yor i get all, then 1 big one?01:07
noobmonk3ylol pupnik01:07
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pupnikwhat are you talkin about01:08
noobmonk3ythe mailing list01:08
noobmonk3yhaving to go through the linux geek test to get onto it ;) :D01:08
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noobmonk3yooooo :)01:09
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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:50
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josephnexuson my n900... what do I use to record video?01:52
josephnexusfrom the camera?01:52
SpeedEvilthe camera app?01:52
andre__camera app. there's a button.01:53
SpeedEvilclick the 'A' - on the camera app01:53
SpeedEvilthen click 'automatic video'01:53
corecodenot the landscape?01:53
SpeedEvilCompletely intuitive.01:53
corecodeah right01:53
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josephnexusi don't see an A01:54
GeneralAntilles"Nokia: We poison your community so you don't have to!"01:54
josephnexuson the camera app01:54
lcuktop icon on the right hand side01:54
lcukwith the camer ui - it opens a menu to select the mode01:54
josephnexusmine was the running man01:54
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josephnexuscuz it was set on "action mode"01:54
* josephnexus thinks that makes it sound quite exciting01:55
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lcukyou da man01:55
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josephnexusthanks for the help01:56
josephnexuseverything seems to be working great on this phone01:56
josephnexusIMAP has been lovely01:57
josephnexusnow, if only I had a way of syncing my contacts01:57
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pupnikwhat phone01:58
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josephnexusthe n900 from nokia01:59
josephnexusanyways... thanks again everyone01:59
josephnexustake care!01:59
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njsf_re Hi all02:09
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shinkamuiI have extras-devel02:14
shinkamuibut I don't see picodrive02:15
shinkamuiam I losing my mind02:15
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shinkamuior did I just eat too many eggs this morning02:15
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njsf_I never saw picodrive in HAM and I have extras-devel02:15
njsf_then again I never looked for it02:16
pupnik01:15 < IranianDoctor> I don't want this ugly food02:16
njsf_maybe it is not in user category therefore it only installable from apt-get?02:16
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corecodewhat's this diablo repo?02:27
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corecodeah, 4.102:28
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Texrathey hey02:51
Texrathi mikkov02:51
Texrathey is Pupnik on?02:51
Texratwake upnik pupnik02:52
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pupnikhi Texrat02:53
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Texratman am I glad I caught you02:53
Texratopen a separate channel02:53
pupnikthat is rare to hear02:53
TexratI am always glad to catch you02:53
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Texratyou're one of my buds... no Amsterdam pun intended02:54
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Texratvote for javispedro!03:16
Texrator else!03:16
javispedrothere's now quite an interesting set of candidates03:17
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RST38hmoo javispedro03:17
javispedromoo RST38h03:17
RST38hjavis: where is the list btw?03:17
* javispedro looks up03:18
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javispedrotmo link:
javispedrosomewhat outdated already, since GAN and attila77 accepted03:18
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javispedrobtw. the other day I noticed that the omap dispc scaler works on the n900. the system is using it for the camera app/media player and tv out.03:19
javispedroi wonder why we're not using it03:20
javispedrothere's a free overlay and fb device as long as you don't use both tv out and media03:20
* javispedro should write some snes test some day03:20
RST38hbut how does one use it?03:21
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javispedrothrough some sysfs files, then /dev/fb* ioctls03:21
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RST38hjavis: any examples? =)03:22
javispedrothe sysfs files are on /sys/devices/platform/omapdss03:22
Texratbailing guys, later03:22
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javispedrocya Texrat03:22
javispedroRST38h: no code, I was just pondering that there must be a reason nobody is using nor has suggested it, ever...03:23
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* RST38h salivates03:23
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javispedroyeah, hehe03:24
javispedrobtw if you want to see the scaler in action03:24
javispedrojust open the camera app03:24
javispedroand as root03:24
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javispedroecho 400,450 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay1/output_size03:24
javispedro(it will halve the camera overlay width)03:24
RST38hmaybe I should play with this.03:25
javispedroI have no time this week, so please do :)03:25
RST38hAlready using the fb, this should be easy to add03:25
RST38hneither do I, flying back to Moscow on Thursday03:26
pupnikyaay picodrive!03:26
pupnikwas it confusing?03:26
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javispedropupnik: yeah, I've been looking at the code. happy to see drnoksnes gui being used by three projects now =)03:27
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javispedropupnik: btw seen the above I was discussing? there IS a hw scaler in the n900, actually, THREE of them.03:27
RST38hpupnik: You finally decided to polish picodrive? =)03:27
lcukjavispedro, isnt the camera using yuv03:28
javispedrolcuk: yes, but it works with rgb surfaces too03:28
javispedrolcuk: I tried by redirecting the system fb to an scaled overlay, and it worked03:28
lcukneato - so can the same work on the desktop03:28
javispedroyes, I tried that exactly03:28
lcukthats a decent test then :)03:28
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lcuknice find03:28
javispedroit's longer to type on IRC ;)03:29
javispedrothe interesting part is to create an extra fb and resize that instead of the whole desktop,03:29
javispedroand you get something very nice03:29
lcukof course03:29
pupnikisnt that awesome?03:29
pupniki am planting trees RST38h03:29
lcukanyway, sleep for me \o03:29
javispedrognite lcuk03:29
RST38hpupnik:better thing to do than a lot others...03:31
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RST38hjavispedro: I am not sure how you are supposed to create extra fbs03:31
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javispedroRST38h: it's not actually creating an extra one (you have 3 already), but setting up for example the third one with a custom res03:32
javispedrothere's a small cmd line utility for that even, fbctl iirc03:32
bcgrowndumb question...   I want to run Maemo on my PC using QEMU,  but Nokia wants me to enter my serial # to download and I don't have a device yet.  Is it only licensed for Nx0 owners?03:32
DocScrutinizermhm. 34h with wlan, SIP, pop3, plus 2h with UMTS and IRC, maybe 2h of screen bright. Bat down to 19%03:33
DocScrutinizeraah, plus a 15min call03:33
RST38hjavispedro: a corollary appears to be the ability to have different lcd and tv displays03:33
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javispedroRST38h: and, interesting too, to be able to control the tv out resolution (think snes on tv.... which currently sucks a bit)03:34
javispedrowell the actual out resolution is hardcoded of course, but how the system scales the 800x480 surface to that res03:35
javispedrois not.03:35
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RST38hjavispedro: I have to try this03:35
RST38hjavispedro: this is gonna be a huge boost in performance03:36
javispedroI suggest playing with how the "state" of the dispc varies when enabling the camera app, and the tvout03:36
RST38hjavispedro: I can play with it when running the same vgba03:36
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javispedroyeah, good idea03:37
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javispedroyou might want to build fbset from debian -- trivial03:37
javispedro(through all fbset does is ioctls, so no actual need though)03:37
* DocScrutinizer is more than happy with 36+h of bat live for that usage pattern03:37
DocScrutinizer~hug N90003:38
* infobot hugs N900 03:38
RST38h-sh: cannot create input_size: Permission denied03:39
RST38hjavispedro: sorry, did not work03:39
RST38hYes, I am root03:39
javispedroit's output_size, not input03:39
javispedroinput is just a a=r file03:39
RST38h-sh: cannot create /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay0/input_size: Permission denied03:40
javispedrooverlay0 can't be resized -- I think that's because it's the "base" one; the other two can.03:41
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DocScrutinizerhax0rs, what you are doin there?03:41
RST38hwhatever I write to overlay0/output_size, kills the picture until I set it back03:41
RST38hoverlay1 is the camera03:41
javispedroRST38h: yep03:42
javispedroRST38h: if you want to resize the entire desktop, the way I did is: a) change fb0 to point to overlay1 b) resize overlay103:42
javispedroresizing the camera is much easier since it's already on overlay103:42
RST38hand how do I change the fb0?03:43
javispedroecho 1 > /sys/class/graphics/fb0/overlays03:43
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javispedrowait, it's in use by fb103:44
javispedroecho "" >  ....... fb1/overlays03:44
javispedrothen echo 1 > .... fb0/overlays03:44
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javispedroscreen goes black..03:45
javispedroso echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/overlay1/enabled03:45
DocScrutinizerdon't touch that red button! ;-P03:45
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javispedroand the desktop appears :)03:45
javispedroat a weird resolution (scaler already doing its work)03:45
RST38hjavispedro <== screwed things up really hard now03:46
RST38hmaybe I should just open fb1 instead?03:46
javispedrothe overlay0 is in front03:47
javispedroso you'll have to make a quick app to fill the screen with the transparent color03:47
javispedro(or disable it)03:47
javispedro(thus getting in the same situation as me hehe)03:47
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RST38his fb1 still in the 16bit rgb format?03:49
javispedroI think you can configure that (There has to be a way to set it up for yuv)03:49
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DocScrutinizeryeah, it's like 5/6/5 what I get on TV03:49
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DocScrutinizers/TV/AV-composite out03:50
javispedrotime to test if a reboot gets things back to normal03:52
DocScrutinizerwell, if not you're in real trouble :-P03:52
javispedroI have ssh :)03:53
johnxWould certainly make for a good virus payload in that case :)03:53
javispedro"send $XXX via western union to NNN if you want to get the 400 top lines of your n900's lcd back?" =)03:54
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javispedroback to normal after reboot03:54
javispedro... including camera app03:55
DocScrutinizerso you haven't managed to exploit N900's secret persistent storage03:55
javispedroI know, I know :)03:55
javispedrobut you can never be too sure :)03:56
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javispedroseems that the system doesn't use /dev/fb2 even when there are two xv apps active04:13
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RST38hprobably uses it for the front camera04:29
pupniki imagined a laptop with flatscreen in 1988.  i couldnt imagine a N90004:33
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DocScrutinizernah, n900 alike gadget was my dream of 197504:49
johnxmaybe I'm totally strange, but I still prefer a Zaurus SL-5500 (or similar) form factor04:50
pupniklooks too 90s04:53
pupniktoo practical :)04:53
pupnikpretty farsighted DocScrutinizer !04:54
johnxyeah, way to easy to hold or even type one-handed, or to control without looking04:54
johnxof course, if you rounded it off and lopped off the d-pad and surrounding buttons you'd have something kind of like a palm pre04:54
johnxI still really like devices with full-sized SD card slots though04:55
DocScrutinizerpupnik: I admit I only thought of a combination of a CB-walkietalkie with a PDA. There were not even LCDs back when04:55
DocScrutinizerat least no devent ones04:55
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pupnikjohnx: i am thinking of a device... ;)04:58
pupniklol.  the second ladybug walked up to drink some of the beer puddle04:58
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ds3sigh... they don't provide the N900 style micro USB to old style charger adapters in the box :(05:46
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johnxreally? interesting. I think they did with the 300 they loaned out ..05:51
ds3not in my factory fresh box05:51
ds3it did come with a microUSB to USB A cable which I assume would let me charge off a cigarette lighter to USB power adapter05:52
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johnxas long as that charger "does the right thing" in regard to putting a resistance across the data pins of the usb plug05:52
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ds3that is not good05:53
johnxthe good news is that I *think* the iPhone has the same requirement05:53
johnxit's part of the USB charging spec05:53
ds3so it does away with the whole enumerate for 500mA thing?05:53
johnxerrr, if it actually gets a real response on the other side, yes, it does the right thing05:54
johnxif you just run 5V down the usb power lines it will not be happy05:54
ds3Hmmm I wonder if the el cheap car stereo USB jack will work then05:55
ds3that thing will enumerate mass storage05:55
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johnx(!) then, yes. I think it's fine05:55
johnxthe rule of thumb is: Does it work with the iPhone? if yes: you're all set05:55
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ds3donno, never tried it05:56
ds3how do I know it is not happy?05:56
johnxif it doesn't charge :)05:56
ds3as in the battery icon don't animate?05:56
johnxsomeone had more solid info than me on talk.m.o05:57
johnxI'm just repeating what I've heard05:57
ds3the talk.m.o postings seems to be all over the place... apparently one of the official adapters melted05:58
johnxalso, sometimes the usb socket on the N900 can come loose and fall out under normal usage05:58
ds3saw those posts05:59
johnxhappened to rm_you as well05:59
ds3i really wish they didn't go microusb; that seems to be the entire crux of all my complaints05:59
ds3was rm_you's a preproduction?05:59
johnxDid someone actually find a qualitative hardware difference between the pre-prod and the production N900s?06:00
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ds3I noticed the pictures from earlier today shows the plastic pins sheared off06:00
ds3some guy posted saying there might be a difference06:00
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johnxIt was so close to the release of final hardware I just can't imagine it being different06:01
ds3that's one of the reasons i favor through hole connectors06:01
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johnxbecause they stay attached to the *&$%ing device instead of falling out in normal usage? Yeah, I've heard other people say that... :)06:02
ds3solder is not a mechanical connection... it is electrical06:02
ds3so that means you are relying on 2 pins (plastic) and the glue on the copper to hold it in place against something that has a 2-3inch long lever prying it up06:03
johnxif they want the mechanical equivalent I think it's welding. That'd hold the connector in their nice n' tight06:03
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ds3nothing to weld to based on the pictures06:05
ds3prehaps a screwthrough theboard with a nut06:05
johnxwell that's the other problem: case isn't made of stainless steel :>06:05
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johnxif the thing looks like a brick it might as well weigh like one06:05
ds3make it out of titanium ;)06:05
ds3the way the jack is, there isn't too much in the way of resistance to upward forces besides the glue on the copper foil06:06
johnxthough I think both of our choices might cause signal interference ...06:06
ds3that thing is a RF nightmare with all the radios06:06
johnxso I'd settle for a steel slide-out system board tray06:06
johnxbut yeah06:07
ds3well, plastic isn't too bad...the collie was reasonably rugged06:07
johnxwhen taken to the beach it *is* susceptible to getting sand under the touchscreen06:08
johnxthat's about the only fault06:08
johnxshame it never had proper support in 2.606:08
ds3what was the issue with 2.6 on collie?06:09
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johnxit was never finished. kinda flaky SD support, no sound, no touch screen, no APM (AFAIK)06:10
GeneralAntillesds3, it's just as well, the old-style adaptor is slow and prone to heating up.06:10
johnxthough it's a good source for parts if you want to make your own 5V -> micro-usb charger ;)06:10
ds3GA: I wanted a mobile charger06:11
GeneralAntillesGet a new Nokia one?06:11
ds3from johnx's notes about having to do something with the dataline, I can't even use my aux battery06:11
GeneralAntilles3rd party ones have a tendency to mess up the FM transmitter06:11
ds3which is the right one? there are reports of the N95 version melting?06:11
GeneralAntillesDC-10, I think.06:12
GeneralAntillesNo, maybe not.06:12
johnxI think a resistor of the right size across the data lines is the right thing06:12
johnxeasy enough06:12
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ds3nothing on amazon06:13
ds3I don't want the 12V adapter, I want the old style to microusb adapter so I can use my aux batteries06:14
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ds3any P/N's for the adapter cable?06:17
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johnxone sec06:18
ds3thanks for the link... I'll probally build one when I get time... it'll be a secondary route06:18
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ds3thanks... the amazon hit looks right06:20
johnxactually it's quite neat because it supports the old-old Nokia charger which happens to be a similar size to a lot of other 5V chargers I had lying about06:21
johnxnot the same size as the zaurus/psp charger though06:21
ds3from an initial feel of it, I think the clam shell Z's felt better06:22
ds3the charge plug definitely gets in the way of hold it06:22
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ZenoArrowHi all. Was wondering if somebody could help me, I'd like to install man pages on my N900, what package will I need? Only advice I've found by searching is regarding installing man pages on Scratchbox, and some assurances it was possible in earlier versions of Maemo. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! : )06:38
johnxyou may be out of luck in terms of a ready-to-go package06:40
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ZenoArrowthats fine johnx, what steps could I take?06:41
johnxhow comfortable are you with hacking around in linux? (also, how much effort do you want to spend?)06:42
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johnxif you're fairly comfortable, I would just go over to debian and find the source package for their man package and try and get it to put itself together in scratchbox06:44
ZenoArrowI've got an okay grasp of the command line and I don't mind learning new stuff. What are you thinking? : )06:44
ZenoArrowOkay, could try that06:44
johnxyou'll want to optify it so it doesn't soak up the rest of the space on your / partition06:44
ds3why bother with a package?06:45
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johnxyeah, that's the other option :)06:45
ds3they are just nroff pages...copy them over; get a copy of groff installed and be done with06:45
johnxhmmm. man is just a frontend for groff and $PAGER, huh?06:46
johnxhaven't really thought about that before06:46
ds3let me see if I canfind my old sources for my own man06:46
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ZenoArrowCool, thanks ds3! : )06:47
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Triggeranyone have any tutorials for programming for maemo?06:47
ds3groff -Tandoc foo.1 | less -si06:47
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ds3I think that's the call... couldn't find my sources06:47
johnxyou'll need to package less06:47
* johnx ducks06:47
ds3what?! busybox didn't include less?06:48
ds3fine. use more :P06:48
johnxwell it has more ...06:48
ZenoArrowTrigger, Maemo is Linux based, as long as you're familiar with a programming language, you'd be better off learning about Qt.06:48
johnxthe other option is just copy some pre-html'ified man pages06:48
johnxand use the browser06:48
TriggerTo be honest I'm completely new to programming altogether.06:48
johnxTrigger, Have you asked google for "tutorial maemo programming" already and are looking for something more basic?06:49
TriggerI have learned some of the basic of java thats about it. I was kinda hoping to try a different language to contrast with java.06:49
ZenoArrowStart learning some Ruby or Python then. : )06:49
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johnxif it was me I'd suggest python+qt06:49
ds3if it uses inetd, you can shell script a man page to HTML converter in shell script06:49
johnxit's very quick to get some results up without a ton of work06:49
johnxanyways, time for me to pass out. haven't caught up from daylight "savings" time switch yet. 'night all06:50
Triggeri was actually looking for something more along the lines of syntax information06:50
johnxlike, for which language?06:50
johnxC, C++, Python?06:50
ZenoArrowCool, I'm going to investigate alternative ways to get man pages on the N900. TBH, I'd be happier installing it because it's quicker to type man [command] in an X terminal, but there you go! Is this not going to be of use to me?
Triggerany really to be honest I understand how java works, what a java compiler is and does and why what is needed in java is needed so to speak06:51
Triggerhowever, when it comes to the maemo os its hard for me to even try and find out where to begin.06:51
johnxTrigger, Maemo is Linux06:52
ZenoArrowTrigger, what you need to understand is that there isn't syntax specific to Maemo, you want to learn about Linux.06:52
johnxDevices that run Maemo Linux tend to have small screens and run off batteries, so you need to take that into consideration06:52
ZenoArrowIf you use Qt the smaller screen is easy enough to handle though right?06:53
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johnxyup. I'm just saying it's more *similar* to desktop linux than *different*06:53
ZenoArrowTrigger, you'd be better off getting yourself a decent book on programming. I'm currrently working through C++ Primer Plus (5th Edition), highly recommended, you can get it from Amazon if you're interested.06:54
johnxThe most popular languages used for Maemo programming are: C (with GTK), C++ (with QT), Python (with QT or GTK), and maybe Vala (with GTK and/or ???)06:54
Triggerhow similar/different would programming in those languages be to developing for the windows enviroment?06:54
johnxZenoArrow, that might do the trick (WRT man-db), but you'll need groff as a dependency and you'll probably want a more comfortable $PAGER than busybox more06:54
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johnxso you'll need to get less setup06:55
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ZenoArrowThanks for the advice johnx, I'll look into it. : )06:55
johnxTrigger, Qt with python or C++ might not be toooo different06:55
johnxif you have a windows box, get yourself setup with vmware player (or virtualbox) and a recent version of linux to work in06:56
ZenoArrowI wouldn't advise Trigger to start off with Qt though, bit out of his league by the sounds of it, console apps to start with.06:56
johnxshould make things much simpler06:56
TriggerI am open to any suggestions. My biggest problem is usually just finding a starting point. Not gunna deny an obvious lack of experience all around with linux (something I am dying to change >.<)06:57
johnxZenoArrow, Qt designer goes a long way towards dumbing things down enough that even I managed to paint some widgets on the screen ;) But I agree in general06:57
ZenoArrowTrigger, download Qt Creator (it's cross-platform, chances are it's available for you to use), it's a great IDE, I use it myself. You'll still need the programming knowledge though, so get reading up on a language! : )06:57
ZenoArrowjohnx, Qt Designer might help in designing the UI but you still have to understand the hooks. : )06:58
johnxTrigger, I think ZenoArrow and I concur that Python is a nice way to get up to speed quickly without getting too bogged down in syntax06:59
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ZenoArrowI prefer Ruby, but yeah, Python is a decent way to start. : )06:59
TriggerSure I can try that. so python and qt creator?06:59
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TriggerWould it be benefical to goahead and reload ubuntu to my laptop? or could this be developed from windows?07:00
johnxyeah, but start with just python07:00
johnxpython shouldn't behave *too* differently on windows and linux as long as you're not doing something that really exposes the differences like ... *shrugs* doing low-level file I/O or low-level networking07:01
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johnxnot much windows experience here though. heh.07:01
ZenoArrowYes, please just start with Python, you can use Qt Creator as your IDE if you wish, though it would be overkill, you'll just need a decent syntax-highlighting text editor.07:01
ZenoArrowIf you're running Windows I'd say Notepad++ is a better option.07:01
Triggernotepad++ is fine by me.07:02
johnxin the medium to longer term it might be worth putting ubuntu back on your laptop when you want to start bringing your program to Maemo07:02
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johnxbut another good option is virtualbox/vmware player07:02
johnxanyways, really need to sleep now :)07:02
ZenoArrowYou'll need a Python tutorial too, I'll see if I can find you a decent one, BRB...07:02
johnxgood luck07:02
ZenoArrowgood night johnx, thanks for your help earlier. : )07:02
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Triggerif I ever get tax return.. I'll go ahead and delete windows 7 from my laptop altogether and dual boot on the new computer, my laptop will just be a linux box.07:03
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ZenoArrowTrigger, I would recommend keeping Windows around, Linux still has a slight learning curve, doesn't hurt to keep a more familiar environment installed, even just for backup or running games. : )07:04
TriggerEh. I actually won't say I am *great* with linux07:05
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Triggerbut, when my comp got a virus I had the idea to boot linux and was able to recover all important data from the linux partition.07:05
Triggerwhich wasn't bad for my first time using linux07:05
ZenoArrowBack with Python tutorials, I find videos are the most comfortable place to start (I just started learning Lisp from video tutorials on the weekend). Here's a introductory Python one:
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Triggermany thanks for that.07:06
ZenoArrowTrigger, that's cool mate, I'm not knocking your Linux skills exactly, all I'm saying is errors happen to everybody, and it's good to have a backup OS, just like you found when you recovered the files from your Windows partition. : )07:07
Triggerand I would still have windows on the desktop (gaming is part of the reason I am buying it) but, my laptop would be for linux/school purposes. I have noticed everything I need to do for school can be done on linux.07:07
Triggereh. From my limited experience with linux.. I have had less problems with its os than windows XD07:07
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Triggerfor several months it was my only means of using my computer.. I wish I woulda known about msdnaa sooner tought >.<;07:08
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ZenoArrowThat's cool, glad you have, I'm quite the opposite, Windows feels fairly comfortable but I've had enough problems with Linux throughout the years to keep me entertained, ever used ndiswrapper for example? ; )07:08
Triggercan't say I have although gparted has given me the run around XD07:09
Triggerand don't get me wrong I'm comfortable on windows. But, if I get rid of it on my laptop, it creates a "learn or die" atmosphere.. which is pretty good for keeping me from going "ok bored time for windows"07:10
ZenoArrowGparted is one of my favourite tools. Ndiswrapper was/is a real git to get working properly, it's for using Windows WiFi drivers in Linux, which until fairly recently was a common thing to need.07:10
ZenoArrowYeah, forces you to learn if you get rid of Windows, good point. : )07:11
TriggerI'm a ferm believer linux is the future.07:11
Triggerwhether short term or long. Might as well get use to it now.07:12
ZenoArrowFunnily enough I was thinking tonight about what system I should dual boot with XP on my laptop, I've got a broken Slackware install on it now, still thinking about my options.07:12
Triggernot sayings it perfect by anymeans but, its a very fascinating topic as a whole.07:12
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ZenoArrowPersonally I'm waiting for the day that Haiku OS is more stable, I can really see that being a strong competitor to Linux on the desktop.07:13
Triggerlol. if i had more space I would be happy to have ubuntu dual booting right now on my laptop, but, its only 100 gigs.. so with half of the hdd already being used.. i don't want to take away any more space.07:13
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TriggerI personally think its a good thing there is competition in general. Although I must admit it does astound me how people only see 'apple' and 'windows' in the world07:14
ZenoArrowAh, might have some advice for you there buddy, regarding partitions...07:14
TriggerI'm open07:14
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ZenoArrowThis is what I think is the ideal partition set up for a dual boot machine (order doesn't matter): operating system 1, operating system 2, linux swap (if applicable), data. Keep the operating system partitions to roughly 10GB each (depending on how many apps you think you'll install), usual rules for linux swap size, and have the rest as a data partition. Important not to map your home...07:18
ZenoArrow...partions to your data partitions, but you can set up symlinks so that it works like a home partition. If you wanted Windows + Linux your data partition should be NTFS. Does this plan make sense to you, or would you like some further detail?07:18
TriggerHm. to be honest the first problem I see (correct me if i'm misunderstanding) is even if win 7 fits on a 10 gig partition.. that leaves no room for expansion.07:19
Triggeri mean I'm using up nearly 40 gigs for win 7 alone07:20
Triggerno games in stalled07:20
Triggerbesides guildwars07:20
Triggerits a pretty fresh instal actually less than a week07:20
ZenoArrowHaha, yeah, I suppose I was treating Windows as XP. Well, how big is your Windows folder? Without installed games and apps?07:20
Triggeractually let me check07:20
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Trigger5 gigs and climbing!07:21
Trigger7.86 gigs07:21
ZenoArrow7.68 gigs and climbing, so 10 gigs is fine then. : ) The only thing you really need to leave space for is service packs/updates, you can install your games and apps to the data partition you'd be sharing with Linux. : )07:22
Triggerwelllll i just figured out where all the data is being whored07:23
Trigger"windows.old" folder07:23
ZenoArrowwindows.old folder??07:23
ZenoArrowWhat's in there?07:24
Triggerthat is 35 gigs by itself07:24
Triggerit looks like everything from before i reinstalls win 707:24
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ZenoArrowDid you upgrade it from Vista?07:24
Triggeryes and no.07:25
TriggerI had vista07:25
Triggerbut, I did a fresh install and wiped vista.07:25
Triggerand then last week i reinstalled again.07:26
ZenoArrowSeems like it's still there to me ha! : )07:26
Triggerwindows lies!!!07:26
Trigger"warning this will erase everything!!!"07:26
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Trigger=/= "will put everything saved into a folder called windows.old07:26
ZenoArrowMaybe it's time to break out you're favourite tool (gparted) and do the job properly! ; )07:27
ZenoArrowCould do a lot with 35 gigs. : )07:27
Triggerfirst thing is first. Saving plants vs zombies!07:27
Triggerits a game I thought I deleted and then later regretted07:28
Triggeri thought i lost all my save data for it XD07:28
ZenoArrowEvery cloud has a silver lining. : )07:28
ZenoArrowWhat laptop you running there Trigger?07:29
Triggerthis silver lining is getting 35 gigs of free space XD07:29
Triggerhp nc843007:29
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Triggercost me a pretty penny back in the day.07:30
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ZenoArrowJust had a look at it on tinternet, nice one, I've got a Thinkpad T61 here, bit of an older model but I really like it. : )07:31
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TriggerWhen I got mine it was highly recommended. I ended up paying liek 2600$ for it hard to believe it but, it was like 3 years ago.. closer to 4 maybe.07:31
TriggerThen again, at the time it could play any game I wanted to and had I played my cards right I'd be out of school.. But, I didn't. so I'll be getting a desktop to replace it as my "power toy". it will be for getting more hands on with linux.07:33
ZenoArrowI have no idea how much $2600 would be equivalent too in my currency, but does sound like a lot. : ) Has yours got the pointing stick in the keyboard?07:33
Triggerand the touchpad07:33
Triggerwhere are you from?07:33
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ZenoArrowFrom the UK. I really should be in bed right now, it's 5:30am and I've got work in a few hours! What do you find you use more, the touchpad or the pointing stick?07:34
Triggertouchpad honestly.07:34
ZenoArrowSame here, though I do notice when I use other people's laptops that I miss the pointing stick. : )07:35
TriggerI know what you mean.07:35
Triggerthen again i miss using a mouse. Not that I don't have one.. its just if I have the touch pad option it seems odd to reach further for the mouse.07:36
ZenoArrowWhere you from Trigger? US? Canada?07:36
TriggerUnited states07:36
ZenoArrowCool, which part?07:36
TriggerThe uneducated part! louisiana07:36
ZenoArrowTo be honest I only really miss having a mouse when it comes to gaming, downloaded Starcraft 1 a few months back (yep, took me that long to try it out!), and the frustrating part was the control felt awkward without a mouse.07:37
Triggerlol. I love my mx revolution.07:38
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Triggerbut, then again I'm about ready for a new comp altogether. My laptop is still great.. but, its only got 2 gigs..of ram which is great for general use.. but, for anything remotely more intense.. it may not "lag" but, the performance degrades enough to bug me.07:39
GeneralAntillesTrigger, too bad Logitech killed the newer version.07:39
Triggermine is the older. whats wrong with newer?07:39
ZenoArrowLouisiana, don't know enough about it, but I'm sure it's fine. : ) Here's something you might be interested in, I was reading it earlier tonight...
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ZenoArrowAnyways, off to bed, see y'all. : )07:40
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TriggerZeno louisiana is a pretty corrupt state politically, and most people get a degree and leave the state lol.07:40
Triggerwell nm lol07:40
Triggeranyway what happened with the new mx?07:41
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FIQi seems to have 15M free in rootfs08:19
FIQis that bad?08:19
Stskeepsbetter than zero08:19
FIQhm, apt-cget clean maked 15M free08:21
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naknomikJust getting started with N900! Downloaded firefox. Is it possible to make it default browser?08:35
dmj7261I think there's an app called browser switchboard08:35
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naknomikdmj7261: I don't find it in the app manager08:36
dmj7261hmm...I'm not sure if it's in extras, testing, or devel08:37
MiXu-Some people seem to be really fond of the Firefox on N900. Could someone enlighten me... Why?08:38
MiXu-The one I tried was slow08:38
dmj7261the built in one or the mozilla one?08:38
MiXu-Eh... The one that's built in is called MicroB08:39
MiXu-The built in browser is pretty good in my opinion.08:40
dmj7261I think the built in one sets a pretty high standard08:40
dmj7261nakomik: it's still in extras-devel08:42
dmj7261Do you know what that is?08:42
naknomikdmj7261: I know, but don't know how to enable that repository.08:43
naknomikdmj7261: I am ubuntu user but Maemo feels different because it's on a phone.08:44
dmj7261You know that applications in extras devel have not been tested and could potentially do very nasty things to your device?08:44
naknomikdmj7261: yes, I know that.08:45
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dmj7261in the application manager go to the menu at the top08:45
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dmj7261select application catalogs08:46
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naknomikdmj7261: so far with you08:46
dmj7261press new08:46
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dmj7261catalog name: Maemo Extras Devel08:47
dmj7261Web address:
dmj7261Distribution: fremantle08:47
dmj7261Components: free non-free08:48
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dmj7261then save08:49
dmj7261make sure it's not set as disabled08:49
FIQand if you don't want to risking bricking your phone, it's recommended to disable the repo after the install08:50
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naknomikthe only thing missing in FF compared to MicroB that I have found so far is the Zoom feature with pressing the volume +/- button08:50
dmj7261quite true08:50
FIQi prefer microB, but it's really unstable (for me at least) : <08:51
MiXu-is there a zoom gesture in ff?08:51
MiXu-except for tapping08:52
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FIQbbttww,,  wwhhyy  ddoeoess  mamaememoo  ssoommeettiimmeess  dduupplliiccaattee e evveerryytthihinngg  ii  wwrriittee??08:57
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MiXu-Haven't had that problem08:59
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FIQhhmm,,  bbrrbb  rreebboooott09:00
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TigerTaelFredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal.09:36
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meceawfully quiet here today. Anyone on?10:16
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KhertanHello all !10:19
meceHi Khertan!10:21
FredrIQ[08:37:04] <TigerTael> FredrIQ, I had that happen to me the other day after I exited weirdly from vi in the terminal.10:22
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FredrIQactually, i did that yesterday, but it also has happened before i even installed that.10:22
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meceKhertan, hey you probably know about this. I read somewhere a while ago that there are issues with threading in python desktop widgets. Is that still the case?10:22
meceKhertan, so you can't do it at all?10:23
Khertanand also some bugs in the python hildon launcher10:23
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Khertanwhich make sometimes widget appear or disappear without apparent reason10:23
Khertanmece: it seems not10:24
Khertanand this is why i didn't port my home widget from diablo to fremantle10:24
ptlbut can't it be fixed?10:24
meceKhertan, hmm well that's rather annoying.10:24
ptlis this issue a design thing or just a bug in python?10:25
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meceptl, pymaemo bug afaik10:25
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Khertanptl: don't know10:26
Khertanfor the bugs i think it s a bug ... but for thread i think it s in design10:26
mecebut how do non-python widgets do it? Or do they?10:28
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ptlisn't there a workaround?10:30
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mecei wonder.10:34
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meceptl, apparently one should use IO callbacks as mentioned in the bugtracker here:
povbotBug 7809: Python widgets can't use threads10:42
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infobotbitte, mece10:42
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ptlmece: thanks, I'll read11:00
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corecode_how do you compile sources in scratchbox?11:10
corecode_do you keep them there11:10
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corecode_or do you mount your real home dir?11:10
ptlI keep them there11:10
ptlI dunno about other people tho11:10
ptlIf I need to import sources from somewhere I just copy it to my home dir in scratchbox11:11
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: ping11:13
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corecode_how do you test/build packages?11:20
corecode_debuild + install?11:20
corecode_./configure && make install?11:20
corecode_E: Build-Depends dependency for modest cannot be satisfied because the package calendar-ui-widgets-0-dev cannot be found11:21
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corecode_/usr/bin/make: relocation error: /scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ symbol _dl_catch_error, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file with link time reference11:29
corecode_anybody had this issue?11:29
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supertramphola :)11:32
supertrampplease - is there an mplayer package for N900?11:32
FredrIQthink so11:32
threshyes there is11:32
FredrIQmplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player, N900 version.11:33
supertrampI'm looking for some media player capable of showing subtitles ...11:33
supertrampFredrIQ: where did you get that?11:34
threshvlc is ok, too11:34
FredrIQapt-cache search mplayer11:34
FredrIQdon't know which repository it is uploaded in though11:34
threshextras-devel, i assume11:34
supertrampok :) I have to find out how to install packages on it11:35
supertramphave it only for several hours11:35
corecode_fyi: need to use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot11:35
lupine_85supertramp: mplayer is the Way Forward(tm)11:36
supertrampI have debian - but don't wanna screw the phone somehow11:38
supertrampwhat is default root passwd? :)11:38
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corecode_install the getroot package11:40
corecode_or so11:40
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supertrampI'm going to read some docs11:41
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peturI tried to change the frequency of the update notifier from 1 day to 7 days by changing the value inside var/lib/gconf/apps/hildon/update-notifier/%gconf.xml to 10080, but it still seems to check (and download) every day. And yes, I rebooted and the changed value is still in there.12:00
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chrittoI'm living in Australia and my N900 just arrived - would you guys suggest I flash the firmware with the "USA variant" or the "Global release"? thanks!12:08
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Stskeepschritto: doesn't matter usually, but global release is usually good12:09
chrittothanks Stskeeps, much appreciated!12:09
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supertrampis there any sw procedure I can completely destroy the phone? :)12:10
Stskeepsyes, overwriting your bootloader12:10
Stskeepswhich is stupid as hell12:10
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Stskeepsor overclocking the device12:10
supertrampoverwriting bootloader is completely non reversible action?12:11
X-Fadesupertramp: For end users, yes. You then need special hardware.12:12
supertrampwhat special hw? arm programmer?12:12
X-Fadesupertramp: But I'm betting you don't manage to do that anway.12:12
supertrampwhere is the bootloader stored in the phone?12:13
X-FadeBasically, if you have to ask that, you are not at risk ;)12:13
supertramphmhm - I need more docs12:13
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GeneralAntillessupertramp, a serial cable.12:15
GeneralAntillesJaffa, pong?12:15
supertrampyeah :)) I thought so :)12:15
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supertrampanyways - I fallen in love with the N900 - incredible device12:18
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Was wondering if it was you who removed the table-layout on the candidate page. Two issues I have with the current layout: 1) doesn't easily highlight which candidates haven't yet responded to Q&As; 2) doesn't make it clear that the summary is an extract of the declaration.12:21
JaffaGeneralAntilles: The latter could be fixed with some ellipsiseseses.12:21
GeneralAntillesJaffa, perhaps, but it's less ugly.12:21
GeneralAntillesand consistent with previous summary pages. :P12:21
JaffaGeneralAntilles: It's not *actually* consistent with the previous summary pages :-p12:21
JaffaGeneralAntilles: But it is closer to them12:22
GeneralAntillesOK, _more_.12:22
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, little better now.12:27
GeneralAntillesThough it still lacks a table's glaceability it's at least not so hard on the eyes. ;)12:27
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Cool.12:52
JaffaGeneralAntilles: I look forward to YoDude linking his answers in. I ain't gonna do it for him12:52
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supertrampI love Finland!12:59
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lcuksupertramp, im sure finland loves you too13:00
GeneralAntilleslcuk, do you know what time it is?13:00
lcuk11am uk time, or commonly coffee time13:01
lcukthanks for the reminder13:01
GeneralAntillesBacon time!13:01
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noobmonk3ydid someone say coffee? don't mind if i doo!13:01
crashanddieHammer time!13:01
lcuklol GeneralAntilles 10:14 this moring:13:01
lcuk<lcuk> E:TOOMUCHBACON13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and egg13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and sausage13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and beans13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and mushrooms13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and tomatoes13:01
noobmonk3yand ooo bacon.... yay!13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and toast13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and coffee13:01
lcuk<lcuk> and milkshake :$13:02
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noobmonk3yall blended together lcuk ?13:02
SpeedEvilDoes your milkshake bring all the boys to the yard lcuk?13:02
lcukwasnt to start with, it sure is now!13:02
* lcuk puts head back into mini-rc13:03
SpeedEvilPerhaps the most boring page (for others) ever!13:04
peturhow can one tell what's using the network connection? The round icon with two arrows (GSM data) is flashing, and the data counter goes up slowly. mail and mfe are not active13:05
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, boring indeed.13:05
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SpeedEvil tcpdump -i wlan0 -s 9999 -X13:06
ccookeMorning, all13:06
SpeedEvil >/home/user/MyDocs/tcpdump13:06
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SpeedEvil(tcpdump all packets up to 9999 bytes long to that file, decoding and presenting as hex and ascii13:07
* thresh finds it easier to tcpdump to a file and then wireshark it in a nice gui13:07
SpeedEvilor there is even wireshark13:08
SpeedEvilI never bothered learning wireshark13:09
peturnot wifi, GSM (gprs)...13:09
SpeedEvilpetur: same idea then13:09
SpeedEvilbut chang the device13:09
peturwhat's the device name?13:09
SpeedEvilIIRC gprs013:10
SpeedEvilonly when it's up though13:10
SpeedEvilSee /etc/network/if-up.d/00_disable_icmp_echo_reply13:11
SpeedEvilAdding stuff after echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all13:11
peturmeh... of course it stopped now :( but the icon is still blinking13:11
SpeedEvilwill auto-start it when the network comes up13:11
SpeedEvil(usual cautions of editing system files apply)13:12
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TigerTaelCautions, hah!13:15
TigerTaelI'm waiting to break my phone so I can re-flash it.13:15
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wazd_e63Heya all13:22
* noobmonk3y waves13:25
threshanyone here with ipv6?13:25
* wazd_e63 thinks he needs to create an artwork for picodrive13:26
threshmarmoute: could you ping 2001:16d8:ff00:236::2 ?13:27
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eichiif maemo (n800)  is connected to mobile phone used as modem. someone knows, if there _could_ be a way to use the handy vibration for some notifications?13:29
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eichimaybe pidgin or something else13:29
wazd_e63Eichi: no13:30
eichi okay :) thanks13:30
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talmaiI have a problem installing a package from my local repository. If I add it manually in application manager, package install without problems, but with a one click install i get "Unable to install x. Incompatible application package". Can I find details about this problem in some log file?13:31
eichii miss the n900 jabber vibration notif on my n800 ;)13:31
eichibut then, the only way would be a external bluetooth vibration device, would be the third then, thats a bit overloaded ;)13:32
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C-S-Bhello guys13:32
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C-S-BFor the life of me I cannot get espeak to output any sound.13:32
C-S-Bcan anyone advise me?13:33
GeneralAntillesWho the hell sorts alphabetically by first name?13:34
SpeedEvilC-S-B: espeak test doesn't work?13:34
C-S-Bwell if i do espeak -ven hello ?I get nothing.13:35
nidOyou need quotation marks13:36
C-S-Beven with them, nothing13:36
C-S-BWhich is baffling13:36
MohammadAGSilent profile maybe?13:36
nidObeats me, espeak works fine here. speakers switched off?13:36
* C-S-B is retarded13:37
C-S-BI had the profile on silent13:37
C-S-Bbut the volume up13:37
MohammadAGsome apps don't output sound when the device is in silent mode :)13:37
C-S-Bthus I assumed that sounds generated by me would play (for example media player will still output)13:37
C-S-Banyway of having the terminal output sound while in silent mode? must just be pulse?13:38
FredrIQhow come supertuxkart fails to start within xterm (debian chroot), but works just fine to start in LXDE?13:39
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MohammadAGC-S-B, it might not be the easiest way but you can make a script that changes to general, outputs sound and goes back to silent mode13:40
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nidOespeak + ssh + lending n900 to girlfriend to play bubbels is great fun13:43
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nidOgame in -testing13:44
C-S-BMohammadAG, sounds a bit backward but I see what you mean13:44
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supertrampcannot open /dev/dsp - wtf ...13:45
C-S-Banyone used navit practically13:48
C-S-BLooks good if a little unstable13:48
SpeedEvilNavit will depend on the data13:49
SpeedEvilin some parts of the world, it's mostly OK13:49
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C-S-Bseems fairly cover by osm in my area13:50
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SpeedEvilWhere are you?13:50
C-S-Buk, 40 mins out of london13:50
SpeedEvilOSM is basically a rich geekmap13:50
SpeedEvilyeah. There it's pretty good generally13:51
loufoque_OSM is terrible13:51
SpeedEvilOSM is variable.13:51
SpeedEvilIn some places, it's better than all commercial maps13:52
SpeedEvilIn others, there are no roads for hundreds of miles.13:52
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C-S-Badds to the exitement of your journey13:53
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MohammadAGI think my touch assy is coming loose :(13:53
SpeedEvilFor most of england it's basically OK13:53
MohammadAGany ideas on how to fix that?13:54
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SpeedEvilGo out and map uncompleted areas.13:54
C-S-Bhow does one map accurately?13:55
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: have you looked at the l1/l2 manuual?13:55
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, yeah13:55
SpeedEvilC-S-B: wander around with GPS, noting details. Enter them into editors. Done.13:55
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, the touchscreen makes a click sound on the top area13:55
MohammadAGand it flexes inwards with a click (not the normal resistive ts flex - I know that)13:56
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* C-S-B hates ear grease on the ts after a call13:57
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: ah13:57
MohammadAGit happened to me before, near the hildon-status-menu area13:57
X-FadeC-S-B: Use a headset ;)13:58
MohammadAGnow it's on the right side, moving to the middle :(13:58
SpeedEvilC-S-B: use soap13:58
lcukcut off ear13:58
MohammadAGC-S-B, shout :p13:58
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C-S-BI wish the supplied head set had a headphone socket13:59
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TigerTaelI wish the supplied headset could actually do something with the button other than for calls.14:00
MohammadAGTigerTael, qwerty12 made a daemon for it, but it doesn't seem to work anymore14:01
TigerTaelI actually bought bluetooth earphones now.14:02
TigerTaelSo far, works well.14:02
Arif_use the keyboard!14:02
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hrwcan someone tell me where package download stats are present?14:07
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X-Fadehrw: in Downloads. When an app reaches Extras.14:08
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VDVsxhrw, here:
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* ccooke prepares for another day of free food and staggeringly huge statistics14:11
ccooke(There are comanies out there who do more traffic, sure... but it's quite possible this one will be the largest I ever work for, and this is the most consistently huge week for us)14:12
timeless_mbpfree food? where?14:13
* timeless_mbp skipped lunch14:13
* timeless_mbp has been starving for hours14:13
* noobmonk3y is hungry :(14:13
ccookethis week, they don't want us away from our desks. So they bring in stacks of pizza. And: not yet, they're late.14:13
noobmonk3yso you are hard at work on irc, nice ;)14:13
* timeless_mbp misses previous employer14:14
timeless_mbpwhen we had a deadline, they brought food for us14:14
timeless_mbpand not always pizza14:14
* noobmonk3y wouldn't miss his current employer....14:14
timeless_mbpwe could have thai or malai or ...14:14
ccookenoobmonk3y: if all goes well, today is going to be aday of being encouraged to bet on races.14:14
noobmonk3yi get cold 2 days old sandwhiches if i am lucky.....14:14
noobmonk3ylol ccooke14:14
ccookeIf anything goes badly, it will be a long day of working out what's up14:15
ccookebut hey, we've spent months upgrading the site and servers for this14:15
ccookenow we find out if it was enough :-)14:15
timeless_mbpgood luck btw14:15
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timeless_mbpmay the cloud shine its face on you :)14:16
ccookeyesterday, we broke our RPS record... 47,000 requests per second at peak.14:16
noobmonk3ywow... porn site? lol14:16
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ccookenope. Betting exchange (that's people betting against each other; basically a stock exchange for sporting events)14:17
noobmonk3yahhh :D yeah seen a few of those sites advertisedo n tv14:17
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ccookeI work for Betfair14:18
noobmonk3yahhh that be the one i have heard off14:18
timeless_mbpVDVsx: did you count typos per line?14:19
Arif_pr0n ads on TV?14:19
noobmonk3yyup Arif_  :D - but advised you use your imagination to make it look realistic lol14:19
VDVsxtimeless_mbp, where ? :p14:19
Arif_what channels do you watch? :P14:19
SpeedEvilccooke: many automated clients?14:19
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timeless_mbpVDVsx: i only ask because i've read
nidOmy employer never brings me food :<14:21
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, that plan sounds awful.14:21
VDVsxtimeless_mbp, lol, I usually only read the titles14:21
nidOmy kitchen is only 6 feet away though \o/14:21
timeless_mbpVDVsx: the content is funnier14:21
ccookeSpeedEvil: we have an API. It's pretty extreme.14:21
GeneralAntillesIt'd be money well spent for Nokia to send its employees to English classes. ;)14:21
timeless_mbp> It also comes packing free walk and drive navigation14:21
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ccookeIt's quite possible the web side alone will beat 8 billion page impressions this week14:21
noobmonk3ylol nido14:21
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, that's an intimidating phone.14:21
noobmonk3ymy employer will bring you food, but only if you are a customer, or in our case, a patient lol (Health service)14:22
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: well it sure ain't humble14:22
VDVsxGeneralAntilles, or hire natives for certain jobs14:22
GeneralAntillesVDVsx, yeah, like copy editing. *g*14:22
nidOseveral of our customers are health services \o/14:22
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noobmonk3ywhat country? :D14:22
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noobmonk3yahhh, me = NHS14:22
noobmonk3ywell not the whole of it, cos then i'd be a fat ass14:22
nidOyer, we host a number of NHS websites for various pct's :p14:23
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noobmonk3ywe use easysite and i'm planning my revenge... erm business case to get of it14:23
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ccooke(yay, pizza... bbs)14:23
noobmonk3ylol ccooke14:23
nidOI could recommend a good host various other pct's use and are happy with.. ;)14:24
noobmonk3ynot really a host at the moment - as i only have 1 web member of staff14:24
noobmonk3yits more a cms.... :|14:24
noobmonk3yhostings the easy bit :D14:24
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noobmonk3ybut always happy to get info showing how other people do things :D14:24
nidO < is how decent designers do things14:25
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nidO < is how frontpage designers do things. :<14:25
noobmonk3y - this is how 1 person stressed out and in a hurry does things ;)14:26
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noobmonk3ylol @ the norfolk one14:26
nidOshame that even that site's massively nicer to look at than the norfolk site :<14:26
noobmonk3yhehe yeah lol14:26
* Arif_ refreshes the app manager update screen and gets disappointed14:26
noobmonk3yi joined and the comms lead had started out old one, was diabolical, so i had a play :D14:26
ccooke(*shudder* you know footage of pirahna devouring stuff? more than 200 geeks and a gigantic stack of pizza...)14:27
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noobmonk3ybut not technically my job :P - so i hired a tech guy to look after it and leave content to the people who should do it :D14:27
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: but why did you call it intimidating?14:27
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, the phrasing makes it sound like it's packing heat.14:27
noobmonk3ybrb 2 mins14:28
nidOhosted by titan, eh14:28
timeless_mbp i'm surprised you haven't seen that page mentioned before14:28
timeless_mbpit's really awesome14:28
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, my attention level for the past couple weeks has been low.14:29
* TigerTael sighs and watches the SDK script installing for the second time.14:30
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C-S-Bbetter to install the sdk on local system or use the vm that I've seen mentioned?14:32
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C-S-Bor 3) compile on device.14:33
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TigerTaelC-S-B, I tried the VM image, wasn't too happy...14:33
TigerTaelBut it was the easiest to pick up and run with.14:34
TigerTaelesbox installed and all.14:34
noobmonk3ywhats hosted by titan nido?14:34
C-S-Bwhat made you unhappy with it?14:34
noobmonk3y(no idea on our site, so many people involved :( )14:34
nidOyour site, it seems :P14:34
TigerTaelC-S-B, old Ubuntu distro, system setup not quite how I like it... some SDK things didn't seem to gel...14:35
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noobmonk3ylol easysite host it, we pay a 3rd party NHS it lot... all annoying and costly.....14:35
ponyofdeathhi, wondering if the gps on the n900 will work in eastern europe i cant seem to get it to pick up in bulgaria. I have the usa version if that is an issue? Do I have to reflash using international firmware?14:37
TigerTaelHow long have you left it out in an open area?14:37
ShadowJKit's weak without data connectivity14:37
ponyofdeathTigerTael, ShadowJK I see so it requires an operator14:38
ShadowJKand ovi maps gives up after 30 secs, so it's useless for getting a signal without data connectivity14:38
ShadowJKit's not required, but it makes it take less timr14:38
ponyofdeathI see thanks guys I will keep that in mind and try14:39
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ShadowJKlocation-test-ui from tools repo, or gpsjinni fron one of thr extras repos is better to get first fix with14:41
ShadowJKas I said ovi maps gives up after 30secs and it can take many minutes withiut data connection14:41
timeless_mbpponyofdeath: gps worked for me in Ukraine14:43
ponyofdeathShadowJK: ok i will check those out thanks again14:43
villagerthe way I read the bug report, ovi maps gives up when the screensaver kicks in, so that you could just keep clicking stuff to keep it from giving up... but I could be wrong I suppose14:43
timeless_mbpkeep in mind that Nokia Maps coverage in Eastern Europe is AWFUL14:44
timeless_mbpand if you don't have maps predownloaded and use roaming 3g14:44
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timeless_mbpexpect to see a VERY HIGH phone bill a month or two later14:44
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ponyofdeathtimeless_mbp: :) yeah just trying to get the gps tag for my photos :)14:44
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timeless_mbpas long as you only want lat/long, and don't expect particularly useful region names14:45
timeless_mbpand again, keep in mind you're still going to get hit by roaming fees14:45
timeless_mbpit should be fine14:45
timeless_mbpi'm not sure if i posted any of my photos to show the tagging, but i could...14:46
timeless_mbpactually, the region tagging wasn't too bad there, it's just absolutely unhelpful since i can't use the cyrillic to do anything :)14:46
* ShadowJK didn't know it could fetch tags from gps14:46
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timeless_mbpShadowJK: the tagging does all or nothing14:47
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timeless_mbpit grabs a gps fix, then reverse geocodes it, and writes the combination14:48
tybollttim e less!14:48
villagerand sometimes gets the geocoding wrong, as I recall...14:48
timeless_mbptybollt: laugh, but, i just met Tim Eliss earlier this week14:49
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timeless_mbppoor guy wanted to go by the nick timeless… collision means he can't :)14:49
ShadowJKwith the preinstalled software?14:49
tybollttimeless_mbp: is it normal for the browser to - at certain special conditions - while loading a page - send the cpu usage flying - hence making the entire device very slow?14:49
tybolltmicrob, this is14:49
timeless_mbpdoesn't seem unreasonable14:50
tybollttimeless_mbp: :-D14:50
ShadowJKif it slows down the rest it's more likely to be ram14:50
ShadowJKuh, memory14:50
timeless_mbpfwiw, i'm told that it's actually better to use as much cpu as possible for as little time as required14:50
timeless_mbpinstead of spreading it out14:50
tybollttimeless_mbp: fair enough14:50
timeless_mbpbut yeah, ShadowJK's probably right14:50
timeless_mbpthe system is probably swapping to death14:51
tybolltSjk: Hmm could be...14:51
timeless_mbpotherwise, the system in theory iiuc should be responsive14:51
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tybolltyeah that'd make sense14:51
GeneralAntillesOh, bottlenecks.14:51
* GeneralAntilles wishes for an ARM-based system without crippling bottlenecks.14:51
tybolltok, I think that'd answer my question - thanks14:51
villagerthe phone should have been equipped with the flash equivalent of those good old HD activity leds14:52
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ShadowJKyeah I've had some sites with 2megabytes of jabascript eat 100percent cpu and not noticed anything besides browser windows not doing much14:52
tybolltsjk: Uhuh...14:52
ShadowJKvillager: HP removed those leds from their laptops when vista came14:52
GeneralAntillesFingers crossed for some js engine improvements in PR1.2, I guess.14:52
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ShadowJKatleast on the affordable ones..14:52
* timeless_mbp prefers the hardware battery led's14:53
timeless_mbpespecially the ones on mbp's14:53
GeneralAntillesWho flips their computer over to check the battery?14:53
* ShadowJK still has no clue how this alleged automatic geotagging is supposed to work :-)14:54
ShadowJKhm, maybe I could try longtapping on random things :D14:55
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: better than turning it on :)14:55
timeless_mbpShadowJK: got your n900 handy?14:55
timeless_mbpis it on?14:55
timeless_mbpis it keyguarded?14:56
timeless_mbp(lock screen, whateer)14:56
infobottimeless_mbp meant: (lock screven, whateer)14:56
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infobottimeless_mbp meant: (lock screen, whatever)14:56
ShadowJKI'm typing this text on it, so no14:56
timeless_mbppress the camera button once14:56
timeless_mbpopen the lens cover14:56
timeless_mbptap the title area14:56
timeless_mbptap geotagging14:56
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timeless_mbpread the unbearably long and incomprehensible text14:57
timeless_mbpcheck the check box14:57
timeless_mbptap the dismiss button14:57
* timeless_mbp sighs14:57
timeless_mbpthe text is bad14:57
timeless_mbpyou should now see 2 flashing satellites14:57
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, who turns off their laptop?14:57
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ShadowJKI read first 4 words and decided it was pointless gibberish :D14:58
GeneralAntillesEspecially a make.14:58
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: i close the screen when i take it out of the office14:58
GeneralAntilles /muscle memory fail14:58
timeless_mbpi drop enough other devices, i don't need to shatter my mac's screen14:58
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, sleep isn't off. :P14:58
tybolltsjk :D14:58
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: waking it up from seep is still kinda silly14:58
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, OK, fair enough. ;)14:59
timeless_mbpShadowJK: after a while, the indicators should stop blinking14:59
timeless_mbpat this point, you can press and hold the camera key for 2 seconds14:59
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timeless_mbpthe bottom left corner should say something stupid like FINLAND, Helsinki14:59
timeless_mbpyou can then tap the price tag icon on the far right to open tags15:00
* noobmonk3y is back15:00
timeless_mbpit should say at the bottom:15:00
timeless_mbpHelsinki, FINLAND15:00
ShadowJKthanks, I get it now :)15:00
timeless_mbpat which point you should shoot someone15:00
ShadowJKit actually made something useful I thought15:00
timeless_mbptapping that bottom button will open a dialog:15:00
timeless_mbpEdit Geotags - Finland, Helsinki15:01
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timeless_mbpplease note how it randomly swaps the country/region order15:01
timeless_mbpand how FINLAND became Finland for no particular reason15:01
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timeless_mbpwhen your done, i suggest you trash your picture of a small portion of your macbookpro's screen, no one needs to see huge blury pixels15:02
ShadowJKoh second time it actually made different thing15:02
tybollttimeless_mbp: How about SUOMI?15:02
timeless_mbpfinnish doesn't include capital letters, ever ;-)15:02
* ShadowJK doesn't have phone set to .fi locale anyway15:03
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ptlsome blog said the theremin application is multitouch15:03
tybollttimeless_mbp: It does - typically after about half a bottle of Kosken15:03
ptllet's see if it's true15:03
nidOI have that installed15:04
nidOin what way is it supposedly multitouch?15:04
ptlI dunno15:04
ShadowJKoh it had actual satellite fix second time. first time must've been network positioning only :)15:04
ptlmaybe you can press two keys at the same time15:04
nidOi think people assume it's multitouch because they dont know how resistive screens work15:04
nidOif you touch two points on the theremin keyboard, the note you get is halfway between the two points15:05
nidOtouch one point still and move a second touch point and you get a sliding note scale halfway between the points you're touching+moving15:05
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ptlmight be15:06
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nidOpress and hold A = it plays A, press B at the same time it plays A#, drag finger from B to G# while still holding A, it plays from A# to D#15:07
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TigerTaelSounds exactly like the tech...15:08
ptljust for the reference, the blog that says it's multitouch:
ptl  --> that's the one15:08
ptlpasted from the wrong X clipboard15:08
nidO"with the possibility of pressing two notes at a time"15:08
nidO= wrong15:08
nidOtheyre assuming because the note you get when you press two notes is different to either of them that its playing both at once15:09
nidOwhen it's actually just playing the note thats physically halfway between the two on the keypad15:09
X-FadeIt will just give you the average point between both touches.15:09
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timeless_mbpwell, some people are musically challenged :)15:09
timeless_mbpnow what was i doing?15:10
timeless_mbpother than starving15:10
* Jaffa grrs at strawman arguments being deployed in the council election already to create a "I'm your representative against *them*" split.15:10
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ccookejacekowski: which Them, in this case?15:10
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, who's surprised, though?15:11
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Oh, I'm not surprised. I just hope I don't come across as bullying the village idiot.15:11
JaffaNot, of course, that I'm suggesting my honourable opponents are, in any way, idiots. Or live in villages.15:12
timeless_mbpJaffa: but, "it takes a village"15:12
timeless_mbpmaybe they're children? :)15:12
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JaffaBut trying to construct a split that doesn't exist reeks of opportunism.15:12
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JaffaI mean, *every* candidate started off on ITT/tmo before getting involved elsewhere and probably spends more time on TMO than any other single Maemo community medium.15:13
timeless_mbp in case people missed the reference :)15:13
GeneralAntillesTalk is firmly in 3rd place these days behind IRC and the lists.15:16
GeneralAntillesDown to just the Community forum.15:16
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derfPersonally I've always avoided Talk like the plague.15:18
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GeneralAntillesUs vs Them platforms really are the best.15:18
derfPeople are tribal animals.15:19
derfIt's the kind of narrative they respond to.15:19
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: I skim General, Apps, ... basically the on-topic ones.15:20
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, I can't help but read the troll threads there.15:20
JaffaGeneralAntilles: But checking talk counts as using it, and checking it and not contributing is a big time sink ;-)15:20
GeneralAntillesWhich does nothing to help my sunny disposition. ;)15:20
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tybollthmm fricken omweather :S15:28
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* Arif_ throws the weather at tybollt15:35
* timeless_mbp takes a minute to curse coverity's ui15:36
timeless_mbpthey stuck a delete button where the run button should have been15:36
mgedmindo they have undo?15:36
tybolltyou're using coverit on the microb codebase?15:36
* tybollt o_O15:36
timeless_mbpmgedmin: no15:36
timeless_mbpbut my browser has 'back'15:37
timeless_mbpwhich thankfully worked15:37
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timeless_mbptybollt: i have15:37
timeless_mbpthis is technically not the microb codebase15:37
timeless_mbpand i'm only using it on gecko15:37
timeless_mbpbecause "nothing else matters"15:37
timeless_mbp(and everything else is a waste of time)15:37
VDVsxJaffa, (only a past candidate) I started first on the MLs, but spent more time at tmo :D15:38
tybollttimeless_mbp: well now... :)15:38
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timeless_mbptybollt: the same was generally true when i was doing this for fremantle15:39
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timeless_mbpthat it happened to eventually improve microb was a side effect15:39
* timeless_mbp sighs15:40
timeless_mbpi think i'm reviewing something i've already fixed15:40
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supertrampmay I change default user's password without any risk?15:42
* timeless_mbp ponders15:42
timeless_mbpyou are allowed to do anything you like15:42
timeless_mbpbut doing some things entails an element of risk15:42
supertrampok - I know this apparently15:43
timeless_mbpi believe that you should ask 'can'15:43
timeless_mbpinstead of 'may'15:43
timeless_mbpand i believe the answer is 'no'15:43
timeless_mbpit's also stupid15:43
JaffaVDVsx: You don't count anymore. Old news ;-)15:43
supertrampit's definitely *MUST* to do believe in something15:44
timeless_mbpif you don't want people to be able to log in as user, then configure ssh so that it doesn't allow log ins15:44
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supertrampI want me to login15:45
supertrampso once again15:45
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supertrampcan I change default user's password without any risk?15:46
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timeless_mbpit won't do what you want15:46
timeless_mbpyou risk being disappointed15:46
timeless_mbpso 'no'15:46
timeless_mbpthere isn't a gdm lying around just waiting to ask for your password in the incredibly unlikely event that you want to require a password15:47
timeless_mbphowever, you can set a device lock code15:47
timeless_mbpand rely on that15:47
supertrampwhat I want is to protect my ssh without any complexity for forexample wordattacks15:47
supertrampI don't know the default user's password15:47
alteregoseems my location widget doesn't update because of my phone operator :/15:48
timeless_mbpiirc ssh doesn't allow logins using password auth when there isn't a password set15:48
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timeless_mbpand there isn't one set for user15:48
timeless_mbpthere's a password for root15:48
FredrIQset a root pw15:48
timeless_mbpbut installing sshd should force you to change it15:48
FredrIQand you're fine15:48
timeless_mbpsetup an ssh key file for root and disable password logins15:48
timeless_mbpall of this is doable w/o wasting time asking about passwords15:48
supertrampare you sure sure that there is no password set for user?15:48
timeless_mbp(or trying to break the system)15:49
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supertrampok - lemme change the user's password :}15:50
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TigerTaelgo go power ranger.15:51
supertrampbut before it lemme check the forum ...15:52
* timeless_mbp hates users15:52
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timeless_mbpthey're all idiots15:52
tybolltfair enough I hate you too timeless_mbp15:52
timeless_mbpwhy do they bother asking questions if they'll go off and do the thing anyway15:52
tybolltdeveloper rakastan!15:53
supertramptimeless_mbp: I think you should come down dude15:53
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timeless_mbpsupertramp: 'come' as in have sex?15:53
tybolltsupertramp: "calm down"? :)15:53
timeless_mbpbecause you probably meant 'calm'15:53
* timeless_mbp would need to get married first15:54
supertrampcalm down15:54
TigerTaelsudo sudo apt-get* <=- lol15:54
timeless_mbpwhich involves finding a wife15:54
timeless_mbpso much pressure15:54
tybolltalthough perhaps you meant timeless_mbp should come down from his high horses? :)15:54
timeless_mbptybollt: one high horse isn't enough, i have to have a stable full?15:54
tybolltat a very least a stable full worth of.15:55
* tybollt is a bit grumpy - writing change request is not TEH FUNNEH15:55
supertramptybollt: thanks :)15:55
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timeless_mbpCould not acquire a shared read lock on the database. Maintenance may be in progress.15:58
timeless_mbpoh that's helpful15:58
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supertrampok - there is none15:59
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timeless_mbpyou mean i didn't lie to you? i'm shocked15:59
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supertramptimeless_mbp: for how long are you working with maemo?15:59
timeless_mbp4 years15:59
supertramptimeless_mbp: me about 8 - 9 hour15:59
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timeless_mbpso, typically it isn't nice to go to a place, ask a question, get an answer, and then actively indicate your intent to ignore the answer you just asked for16:00
timeless_mbpit's in fact, incredibly rude16:00
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timeless_mbpnow, if you paid me for advice, and then chose to ignore it, at least, i'd feel like a proper prostitute16:00
timeless_mbpbut you didn't pay16:01
timeless_mbp(with apologies to prostitutes)16:01
* tybollt hands timeless_mbp a pink pwny16:01
* noobmonk3y burps16:01
timeless_mbpwith nice lace or satin?16:01
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VDVsxJaffa, :´´)16:04
* VDVsx buys tickets to vegas with the council money16:05
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JaffaVDVsx: The next council better get the scroll back in one piece.16:08
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lcukJaffa, you might not want it back if the rumours of its "misuse" are to be believed16:21
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lcukand frankly, i dont know how so many of them managed it without at least sustaining serious paper cuts16:22
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Elvaronhey guys, anyone know if there is a desktop widget to handle panucci audio book player?16:23
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* Arif_ sneezes16:25
Jaffalcuk: That's an image I didn't want.16:26
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lcukJaffa, well they thought you were done with it16:28
lcukthey will wipe it clean before returning it16:29
lcukthat is why you laminated them isnt it?16:29
Vrathaoooooooooo, i may lose connection.  on the train to grand central16:30
Vrathariding through the bronx i think16:30
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TigerTaelWow, this time, my SDK actually displays things properly.16:34
TigerTaelAlthough, quite a few things are missing.16:34
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TigerTaelHow can I make sure that my SDK isn't missing any packages?16:34
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TigerTaelDocScrutinizer, any advice?16:35
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DocScrutinizernot ata all, TigerTael16:36
TigerTaelSeriously, how can I make sure I'm not missing any packages?16:36
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Arif_by installing them all?16:37
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noobmonk3yArif_:  = legend... tis true16:37
DocScrutinizermissing at what?16:37
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* noobmonk3y throws packages at Arif_ 16:38
* Arif_ opens them =D16:38
* noobmonk3y thinks it may be snowing16:38
Arif_they're all empty16:38
noobmonk3ytrust me to get dudd packages16:38
* Arif_ burries noobmonk3y in empty packaging16:38
noobmonk3yooo you saucey minx16:38
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* noobmonk3y prods lcuk16:39
Veggensnow? getting used to that, we've had snow for three months now.16:39
Veggenprevious years, we've hardly gotten a week or two in a row.16:39
Arif_rain ftl16:40
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FlavioFerreiraBRhow application i can use to take a screenshot at n900? Ctrl + Shift + P i know.16:42
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noobmonk3yFlavioFerreiraBR: ? if you know why do you need to ask?16:43
Arif_some people are weird :P16:43
noobmonk3yyup.... i know, i apologise for lcuk's weirdness16:44
FlavioFerreiraBRbacause this way is bad for me.16:44
noobmonk3yThere is a system tray application (CPUMEM? maybe) that does it from the system tray16:45's hard to press ctrl + shift + p16:46
noobmonk3yarif - it is with no fingers ;)16:46
FlavioFerreiraBRat n810 i used the camera key16:46
Arif_or with the keyboard closed!16:46
FlavioFerreiraBRi had big fingers16:46
Arif_it's impossible to make a screenshot of the virtual keyboard for example16:46
noobmonk3yFlavioFerreiraBR:  just trying to find the name for you16:47
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FlavioFerreiraBRi have installed16:48
FlavioFerreiraBRbut i dont can configure16:48
noobmonk3yClick your status bar16:48
noobmonk3ythere is a picture of a camera16:48
noobmonk3yPress it16:49
FlavioFerreiraBRi know16:49
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noobmonk3yyou do know alot for someone who doesnt know what he wants ;)16:49
FlavioFerreiraBRmy application running in fullscreen mode16:49
FlavioFerreiraBRhow i take screenshot ?16:49
Arif_take a different phone with camera16:50
FlavioFerreiraBRin the past with n810 i used the camera key16:50
Arif_and take a pciture of the N90016:50
noobmonk3ywell you have 20 seconds on that tool - open it, load your app, take a screenie?16:50
noobmonk3yuse a camera?16:50
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Arif_connect the TV out to a video in16:50
Arif_and record it16:50
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Arif_so many options =}16:51
FlavioFerreiraBRfor all16:51
FlavioFerreiraBRi will try a new application16:52
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* noobmonk3y farts16:54
noobmonk3y(Timed that just as dneary came in..... lol) :D16:56
noobmonk3yoh the joys... i eally should be working.... but it feels like a friday16:57
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odin_thats because St Patrik's day always feels like a Friday16:58
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noobmonk3ypaddys day today?17:01
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odin_I'll tell you tomorrow !  now get back to work17:02
* noobmonk3y goes back to work :(17:02
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dnearyYeah, Paddy's Day will be a dry day for me this year17:04
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dnearyTesting IRC highlighting. Can someone ask a question preceded by "QUESTION:" please?17:06
Shadikka_QUESTION: Why?17:06
odin_ANSWER: STFU17:06
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dnearyShadikka_, I'm testing custom highlighting in X-Chat to try to convince qgil that it's possible to follow just the questions coming from a chatty channel17:06
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ShadikkaI see :P17:07
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dnearyShadikka, I have set "QUESTION:" as a custom highlighted phrase in XChat17:07
mgedminthat probably works better with nick highlighting turned off17:07
lupine_85QUESTION: can haz forum nao?17:07
Shadikka /hilight -regexp QUESTION:.*?\?17:07
dnearymgedmin, It might do17:07
Shadikkairssi is phun17:07
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dnearyShadikka, Edit->Preferences, IRC preferences/Highlighting17:08
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ShadikkaMaybe I'm a bit oldschool, but I prefer non-GUI stuff for a lot of things17:08
X-Fadedneary: Just highlighting on a questionmark would probably enough.17:09
dnearyX-Fade, If the concern is not being able to follow both forums, then that would give too many false positives17:09
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X-Fadedneary: Yes, but at least it doesn't force the user to change behavior.17:10
tybolltaaah false positives...17:10
* noobmonk3y giggles... dneary is trying to prove something to qgil lol... will take you a while17:10
* noobmonk3y goes back to work17:10
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dnearyX-Fade, The point is to force users to change their behaviour to signal explicitly when they are asking a question for the main meeting & not for the back-channel17:10
tybolltthose little diddly ones that gets you call outs three in the morning for ... notta... I LOVE YOU false positives...17:10
tybollt</disgruntled admin>17:10
dnearynoobmonk3y, Why do you say that?17:10
X-Fadedneary: Isn't that what meeting bots are for?17:11
noobmonk3ynever seen him on irc :D - allthough granted i have only been on here for 2 months17:11
dnearyX-Fade, That might be sufficient if every question asked on the back-channel got asked in the main meeting, but that's not the goal either17:11
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noobmonk3yX-Fade: good point17:11
dnearynoobmonk3y, It's good that you recognise that you haven't been around for long17:12
noobmonk3yI r Newbie :D17:12
supertrampanyone tried to encrypt the data partition?17:12
X-Fadedneary: That was generated out of the last meego meeting automagically.17:12
* noobmonk3y throws newbies at Arif_ 17:12
dnearyX-Fade, I was there17:13
dnearyThe meeting was very frustrating17:13
X-FadeHehe, try a conference call with 20 people ;)17:13
dnearyX-Fade, And not at all the same thing as the online TSG meeting on Friday17:13
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dnearyX-Fade, I used to chair conference calls with 15 people, and I think I did OK17:14
dnearyX-Fade, The secret is having a good agenda17:14
dnearyAnd establishing good flow17:15
X-FadeThe secret is announcing the meeting in the first place ;)17:15
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tybolltdneary: helluva kick to be the one w/ the mute-button, innit? :)17:15
lcuk"as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. "17:16
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DocScrutinizerdneary: I fail on setting regex for xchat highlight. Any hints?17:18
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DocScrutinizerdneary: a working example highly appreciated17:19
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dnearyDocScrutinizer: I didn't try a regex17:19
dnearyI just added "QUESTION:" as a highlight phrase17:20
DocScrutinizerI C :-/17:20
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MohammadAGDoes anyone use Nokia Messaging with folders?17:21
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FullPolarFoxMaemo + Maemo = ?17:39
hrwhow was bugday guys?17:40
tybolltFullPolarFox: drunk chix wrestling in corn pudding?17:40
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FullPolarFoxtybollt Really? Do you have a pictures?17:42
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MohammadAGdamn, can't change themes, oh well, I'm not reflashing for that17:44
tybolltMohammadAG: O_o pr out?17:45
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MohammadAGtybollt, err?17:45
tybolltwhy reflash?17:46
tybolltis there a new pr out? :)17:46
MohammadAGcan't change my theme :)17:46
MohammadAGdidn't mention any new update lol17:46
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mgedminwishlist: the N900's unlock screen ought to show battery info, not just time17:47
MohammadAGtybollt, any idea what's the command to open the themes applet/app?17:47
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tybollthuh? that'17:48
tybollts in settings???17:48
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MohammadAGtybollt, clicking it doesn't do anything17:48
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MohammadAGneither does the one on hildon-home (the gears thing)17:48
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tybolltMohammadAG: -> reboot17:49
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MohammadAGtybollt, oh for real? :P17:50
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MohammadAGtybollt, I haven't been able to change themes for a while, reflashed, got rid of the problem, got bored of a short menu so I restored my apps :P17:50
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tybolltMohammadAG: ugh, that's... bad :-|17:52
Khertanhum ... ubuntu one notes sync is down :è17:52
hrwnice, Qt 4.7 TP packages for maemo5 released17:52
CorsacKhertan: that's what you get for relying on the cloud17:53
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hrwspeedup nokia, speedup...17:53
KhertanCorsac: yes of course ...17:53
KhertanCorsac: but as i just update the new conboy version17:53
Khertanthe first time i think it was a new bug in conboy :)17:53
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MohammadAGtybollt, it's not that bad, it's just a theme17:53
MohammadAGjust tried a hildon-theme-cache17:54
MohammadAGdidn't work :/17:54
hrwKhertan: you are conboy developer?17:55
Khertanjust an user :)17:55
Khertanwhich like it :)17:55
hrwah ok17:55
hrwI like it too17:55
Khertananyway i ve style my developpment version of mNotes17:55
MohammadAGtybollt, can you check something for me?17:55
Khertanwhich is a clone of conboy17:55
Khertanwith an sync :)17:55
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Khertanbut i didn't see any interest to release a clone ...17:56
MohammadAGis this a full list of the (default) files in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel?
Khertanit was just a turn arround for the time when the conboy sync wasn't implement17:56
tybolltMohammadAG: sure17:56
tybolltlet me17:57
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MohammadAGtybollt, actually nevermind, found out the app needed but I'm not sure what's wrong18:03
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tybolltMohammadAG: you seem to have more entries in there than me so :D18:03
MohammadAGit's "personlisation_app", it should open the themes area18:03
MohammadAGtybollt, could be the LED pattern editor and some installed apps :)18:04
MohammadAGoh the scrobbler and subtitles support18:04
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MohammadAGthough to be honest I've never used any18:04
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MohammadAGtybollt, what does personalisation_app do on your N900?18:05
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meceasdf people! What is up?18:10
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mecewtf did I forget to put on deodorant or what? People are bailing like I'm the plague :P18:12
Wild_Doogyprobably getting lunch18:12
Wild_Doogythats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it  :D18:13
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Wild_DoogyHappy St Patrick's Day all18:14
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* SpeedEvil celebrates St Patrick's day.18:16
Wild_DoogyAnyone know how long you can leave the N900's flash LEDs on before they need to cool?18:16
* SpeedEvil gets the rest of the meal cooking to go with the green cabbage.18:16
SpeedEvilWild_Doogy: Speaking from a theoretical POV - 10s should be fine.18:17
SpeedEvilSpeedEvil: oh18:17
* SpeedEvil sighs18:17
* SpeedEvil is confused!18:17
SpeedEvilMust be too much cabbage.18:17
SpeedEvilthe LEDs - in flashlight - not flash - mode - can be left on forever.18:17
meceSpeedEvil, perhaps some alcohol would clarify the situation?18:17
tybolltcabbage excess leads to gas excess18:17
Wild_DoogySt Patrick was English btw.....18:17
SpeedEvilI have done some simple testing to confirm this with a luxmeter.18:18
SpeedEvilAfter 1h - they are as bright as after 1 min18:18
Wild_DoogySpeedEvil: oh good, cause I like to use them while working on projects as a lamp18:18
Tobarjais there a emulator/vm environment that'll simulate n810?18:18
Wild_Doogythiers so nice and bright  :-D18:18
SpeedEvilWild_Doogy: they are.18:19
meceSpeedEvil, that's pretty cool.18:19
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meceIs there a working flashlight application in the repos?18:19
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SpeedEvilthe one that's there works18:19
SpeedEvilfor me18:19
SpeedEvilit's annoying because of kernel and UI breakage.18:20
Wild_DoogyI have one installed, but it might be from extras18:20
SpeedEvilThe flashlight is a twiddle on the video4linux capture driver.18:20
SpeedEvilso you can't turn it on without opening the capture driver - which breaks stuff.18:20
SpeedEvilthe right - well - apart from integrating into camera - way to do this is to simply do another driver for just the LEDs, and then have the camera driver know it might not be the only one in control18:21
Wild_Doogy*** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on18:21
VDVsxwow: 5031846 dowloads at :D18:21
DocScrutinizerwhat to select for lockscreen here: Official Platform18:21
SpeedEvilThen it's just a matter of drilling a couple of holes in the cover, and plugging them with appropriate plastic18:21
mecewell extras is one of the repos I mentioned..18:22
mecewhat is it called?18:22
X-FadeWild_Doogy: Remove the lens cover and glue the magnet to the contact ;)18:22
meceSpeedEvil, wow. Who knew?18:22
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Wild_DoogyX-Fade: so it thinks that the slider is always open?18:23
Wild_Doogythat sounds like a good idea that doesnt break things.....18:23
X-FadeWild_Doogy: Well, your mileage may vary.18:23
Wild_Doogylooking at it now18:24
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meceanyone have a good idea how to strip alpha channel from a gdk.pixbuf?18:24
Wild_Doogylens = dirty18:24
MohammadAG<Wild_Doogy> *** wishes that you didnt have to open the slider, wait for camera, close camera, open menu, to0 turn the flashlight on18:25
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MohammadAGkill the camera-ui! :p18:25
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: cma slider isn't magnet, it's IR-relective sensor18:26
DocScrutinizerWTF? camera*18:26
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Ah, right. The black/white strip.18:26
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Wild_Doogy DocScrutinizer: I just noticed that.....18:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, question, doesn't that take more battery?18:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: in theory yes. In practice it seems to be some uA avrg18:27
Wild_DoogyMohammadAG: Kill the camera as in make it not autostart when the slider is opened?18:27
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MohammadAGWild_Doogy, yes18:28
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seems that doesn't help much18:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ah so it's a mater of 5 secs or so from the battery18:28
Wild_DoogyI looked into that, but I couldnt find the file I needed to kill18:28
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, why?18:28
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DocScrutinizeromap3-camerad and cameraUI are autostarted aiui18:29
DocScrutinizeryou also need to fiddle with mce and dsme18:29
DocScrutinizer(wild guessing)18:30
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui18:32
MohammadAGworks for me :)18:32
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, set it to autostart and there you have it :)18:33
RST38h"Let me put it this way, my kids saw the movie, and my kids know I'm a miner, and they didn't say anything to me," said Peter Kukielski, head of mining operations for ArcelorMittal, the world's largest steelmaker. "They didn't say a thing, and they loved the movie. They saw it twice," he told the Reuters Global Mining and Steel Summit in New York this week.18:33
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meceRST38h, huh?18:34
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RST38hmece: his kids saw Avatar =)18:34
* RST38h cackles18:34
DocScrutinizerwell, I just repeat my suggestion to replace the camera-ui popup on slider-open by a menu with a slider for torch brightness (while immediately activating the LEDs on selected brightness) plus 2 buttons to start still-cam and video-cam18:34
meceoh.. righty.18:34
mecewell very little mining in that movie.18:35
RST38hmece: Plenty of executives though, I assume?18:35
RST38hDocS: Probably impossible or very difficult given that this part is proprietary18:35
meceRST38h, haha yeas. Eebil corporate execs!18:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, or that, it is better than 'killing' the UI since it requires 5 seconds to start loading the UI18:37
* DocScrutinizer always thought the lack of a prominent place to select video vs still is a usability flaw anyway18:37
Wild_Doogy DocScrutinizer: Brilliant idea, I have been trying to get that to work for a while.18:38
Wild_Doogybut I dont know where to start ....18:38
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DocScrutinizerother apps like barcode reader etc might link in to that menu popping up on camslider-open18:38
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Wild_DoogyIt might be able to use the same framework as all the the other menus such as the notification menu18:39
DocScrutinizerWild_Doogy: well, I'm pretty lost on where to start with this, as well18:40
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Wild_Doogyis there any way to find out what commands get activated on -shutter slide-?18:41
* DocScrutinizer points to mce18:42
Wild_Doogy-googles MCE-18:42
DocScrutinizers/google/ps x/18:42
DocScrutinizermachine control entity, probably18:43
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Wild_DoogyI see that the notification LED is controlled from mce.ini18:43
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DocScrutinizernot camslider though >:-((18:44
Wild_Doogywhere is this mystical mce.ini ?18:44
DocScrutinizer/etc ?18:44
Wild_DoogyI assume you have already looked through it?18:44
Wild_Doogy-looks anyway-18:44
Wild_Doogyits fun poking around in random files18:45
* DocScrutinizer ponders poking around randomly in mce binary :-P18:45
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Wild_Doogy-wonders how to do the triple star thing, and cowers at the thought of poking around in binary.-18:46
* DocScrutinizer cursing messybox based system, for lack of basic things like 'strings'18:46
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Wild_Doogyis that why its called "messybox" ??18:47
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: or simply if phone pointing down when slider opened - start torch18:47
SpeedEvil(with a large button to really start camera)18:47
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: also a nice idea18:47
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meceWild_Doogy, What triple star thing? You mean "/me does this and that"?18:48
DocScrutinizerjust make that TWO buttons: stillcam and videocam18:48
Wild_Doogyyes the /me does thing18:48
* mece uses /me to emote :)18:48
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Wild_Doogythe camera app fails to open when the flaslight has control18:49
DocScrutinizera can of worms18:49
DocScrutinizerthe system architecture is mere BS18:50
DocScrutinizerNokia never thought of having any other app taking control of the cam thing18:50
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supertrampdamn where are the fucking manpages :)18:50
* VDVsx begs for a rumors&speculation sub-fora at tmo 18:51
DocScrutinizerwhere's the friggin mandb package18:51
Wild_Doogyare nokia apps open source?18:51
supertramphell no18:51
SpeedEvilgenerally not18:51
DocScrutinizerthat's the crux18:51
Wild_Doogythat makes lots of sence >_>18:52
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supertrampman pages and chm reader18:53
DocScrutinizerno source, no specs, no manpages, no dbus introspection...18:53
supertrampI *hate* newbies18:53
* DocScrutinizer shoves a waggonload of *.chm down supertramp's throat18:54
Wild_DoogyI hope I have enough knowlege that you dont 'hate' me, I could settle for 'smoldering dislike'18:55
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RST38hDid you apply the Turing test to Wild_Doogy BTW?18:56
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RST38h'Cause if it fails the Turing test, the Geneva Convention does not apply to it =)18:57
Wild_DoogyHarr Harr......18:58
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* DocScrutinizer smells the #maemo standard hostile mood getting momentum, and waves18:59
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supertrampha - fbreader19:03
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: ?19:04
tybolltDocScrutinizer: I think the hostility is all comming from the meego fanboi/astroturfer bunch... (IMHO)19:04
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MohammadAGtmo down?19:16
tybolltIt's not just you! looks down from here.19:17
tybolltCheck another site?19:17
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Wild_DoogyNice site!19:17
nidOi'll stick to alertra. :P19:18
satmdup for me19:19
tybolltsatmd: BS :)19:19
Wild_Doogyseems up for me as well19:20
nidO(tmo is working fine for me as well btw)19:20
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KhertanHello again !19:21
tybollttmo might've come back up then19:21
CutMeOwnThroatDocScrutinizer, where do you shove me?19:22
Khertani'm trying made theme in pygtkeditor but i ve a little probleme with the color of the textview border19:22
Khertani didn t found a way to set it19:22
Khertandoes it can be set ?19:22
RichardPi dont spose anyone has ported Mono to Maemo yet? :)19:23
nidO ?19:23
Khertani ve tryed to set base color, bg, fg ... on window, pannablearea, and textview19:23
Khertanbut without any success19:23
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Khertanany other idea ?19:23
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Khertanit seems to be specific to the hildon textview19:24
RichardPnidO: ok, i love you19:24
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Khertanok noone know19:26
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cpasjusteis it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the device ?19:32
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cpasjusteis it possible to mount the flash partition where the kernel is located to update it on the n900 device ?19:32
Khertansomeone know an other http/irc client that work on freenode ?19:33
Khertanmibbit is black listed19:33
aepcpasjuste: nope.19:33
cpasjusteaep :x19:33
cpasjusteelse is there a tool to flash it from the device ?19:33
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Khertanand the default webchat on freenode is unstable19:34
MohammadAGthe kernel can be updated OTA cpasjuste19:34
cpasjustehum i found kernel-flasher19:34
MohammadAGXChat Khertan?19:34
MohammadAGor PJIRC19:34
aepther is also
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aep(which differs from webchat.freenode)19:34
Khertansomething that works throught port 8019:35
aepa vpn does :P19:35
Khertaneverythings else than http or https is blolcked by my phone isp19:35
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Khertanaep : nope vpn is blocked too now19:35
nidOsucky isp :<19:35
aepwell vpn works through port8019:35
aepcan even pierce a stateful firewall, if you have to19:36
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Khertanthe proxy analyse things and block it19:37
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aepyeah. typical.  can be worked around though19:37
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* cehteh has openvpn on tcp/443 :)19:37
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Khertanaep ... i ve tryed ... but as they corrupt data randomly19:38
Khertanit s a bit diffucult19:38
cehtehopenvpn can tunnel through http/https that would even cheat firewalls which do packet inspection19:38
aepopenvpn has a couple of tools19:38
jaskasounds awfully national-socialist19:38
Khertan doesn t work on n900 of course19:38
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Khertancehteh : yep but they seems to have a great packet inspection19:39
aepyou need to have control over a server though to use most of the firewall workarounds19:39
Khertanaep : yep i know19:39
aepif  https  is allowed you can always find a way through19:39
aepalthough... get a different isp?19:40
Khertanaep : yep install my own web2irc php server19:40
aepthat'll do19:40
tybolltSUDO make me a sandwich19:40
Khertanaep : ... it a bit all the same ... or be prepared to paid 89Euros by month for a 3G unlimited (limited to 1Go by month)19:41
Khertanyep they call all their data plan unlimited ...19:41
aepKhertan: my isp has two dialin servers btw. one of them is unfiltered19:41
Khertanbut they all limit it19:41
Khertanaep: me too ... the unfiltered one cost 1Euro by Mo19:42
aepi have unlimited, where 200mb is free and the rest is unlimited expensive :D19:42
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aep3g remains ripof. best find open wifi19:43
* cehteh has cheap prepaid and can do anything 19:43
Khertanphone isp sucks in france19:43
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Khertanaep ... a bit difficult in the train anyway :)19:43
cehtehuhm i am close to the french border .. i didnt checked what data roaming costs19:43
tybolltopen wifi doesn't really exist anymore19:43
tybolltbetter just use 3G19:43
cehtehopenvpn over dns tunnel :)19:44
* cehteh has to play with that someday19:44
C-S-Bopen wifi? tunnel over dns or accidentally crack wep :)19:44
C-S-BI always have web19:44
Khertancehteh the last record made by a orange users is 50 000 Euros in one week19:44
tybolltcehteh: openvpn over icmp? :-o19:44
Khertancheap data roaming19:44
CorsacKhertan: I pay 55€ I think19:44
cehtehicmp, at least in some parts is often blocked, but dns not19:45
Corsac(and it'll be less once I have right to lower my voice plan)19:45
cehtehi think i paied less than 20€ since december :P19:45
C-S-Bcehteh, do you use iodine?19:45
KhertanCorsac ? with a french isp data plan ?19:45
Khertanhum icmp is block too :)19:46
cehtehC-S-B: i used it once, but a friend told me that there is a tool which opens a tunnel for only one tcp connection which is way more reliable, i'll try that next time19:46
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aeptybollt: there is enough "open" wifi19:46
cehtehif you can ssh or openvpn through it you are done anyways19:46
C-S-Bcehteh, whats that tool?19:46
tybolltwindows phone 7 w/out cut'n'paste?19:46
tybolltwhat the hell were those asshats thinking?19:47
CorsacKhertan: orange yes19:47
threshtybollt: about apple patents?19:47
cehtehC-S-B: dunno have to search iirc it has such a simple intuitive name like 'dnstunnel' :)19:47
aeptybollt: prevent piracy where you can.19:47
CorsacKhertan: origami star plus or something like that19:47
C-S-Bcehteh, you mean straight forward root@host -p 5319:47
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nidO"windows phone 7 without cut'n'paste" or "really early preview that doesnt have that feature yet"?19:47
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cehtehdunno i didnt looked at it yet19:47
tybolltaep: no in Stockholm/Sweden there are virtually no open wifis anymore19:47
aepyou didnt get the hint. "open"19:48
C-S-BToo many people use WEP. I dont see the point.19:48
cehtehneither in my neighborhood, guess why :>19:48
tybolltthresh: Gawk... apple owns "cut'n'paste"? :D19:48
tybolltaep: meh :)19:48
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* cehteh thinks about opening his wlan ... but ssh only19:49
cehtehwho knows how to use it deserves it :)19:49
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tybolltnot sure how quick cracking a typical wep is19:52
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tybolltbut WPA, that's still a lot of time, innit?19:52
nidObetween fuck all and not long19:52
nidOwpa takes longer19:52
cehtehwep is matter of a minute19:53
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nidOtbh it's about time devices started shipping with no wep support19:53
Arif_what about no security by default19:54
nidOwell, thats what shipping with wep by default is19:54
cehtehweb is enough to be safe on the legally side here19:54
cehtehif someone cracks it and does something bad he is responsible ... if you have a open wlan then you are responsible for anything people do over it19:54
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Arif_The Nintondo DS doesn't support WPA19:55
nidOthats a strange take on law, but it can also sting you the other way round19:55
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nidOmost judges know as much about IT security as the bag of crisps I just ate, here at least if your router's "secured" with wep and your connection's used illegally, theyll just believe you did it as the router's "secure"19:56
tybolltbut then it's pretty widely known that Nintendo only support on their current HW what others supported five years ago19:56
tybolltif it wasn't for the absolutely BRILLIANT story tellers are nintendo they'd be bankrupt olready :)19:57
Arif_Mario has a great storyline19:58
tybolltshrug - people pay money for that shit19:58
Arif_(Zelda doesn't sell as well as you might think :D)19:59
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vanadismobilecan anybody please respond to me?20:02
tybolltvanadismobile: didn't work, sorry, have to retry20:02
vanadismobiletybollt, kthx20:02
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* Arif_ drives over vanadismobile's N90020:03
vanadismobilehad recently some problems with xchat on n90020:03
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Arif_I couldn't find a font size option in XChat20:03
vanadismobilesettings - preferences20:04
cehtehits there .. search harder20:04
Arif_I will!20:04
DocScrutinizercpasjuste: flasher --local20:05
cpasjusteyep thanks :)20:06
cpasjustejust discovered that20:06
cehtehvanadismobile: such as?20:08
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vanadismobilecehteh, couldn't post20:09
vanadismobilealso with umlauts20:09
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cehtehok, not my beer :P20:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, although I'm sure it's not possible, it wouldn't hurt to ask, can I enable R&D mode using flasher --local?20:10
DocScrutinizerseems no20:10
cehtehgot not bug reports for the notification plugin, guess it works :P20:10
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: flasher even failed to report current settings20:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: obviously the --local is a half-ass hack20:12
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realitygapscan anyone help me get the volume control back? i have the same problem as
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I see, and it's closed source so that can't be 'fixed'20:13
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DocScrutinizeras usual20:13
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ds3is there better email client for the N900?20:18
MiXu-define better20:18
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MiXu-I recall hearing that PR1.2 is bringing some improvements. Can't remember where I heard that though.20:19
* DocScrutinizer recalls several times claws was mentioned20:20
ds3better as in letting me use multiple From addresses20:20
ds3DocScrutinizer: is claws available on the N900?20:20
ds3claws does 95% of what I want (the other 5% is the lack of integration)20:20
ds3didn't see it in the stock repos and I haven't gotten to finding the list of repos and how to add them to the new app mgr20:21
DocScrutinizerds3: seems like it is, otherwise people wouldn't mention it as an alternative mailer ?20:21
valdynds3: its in extras-devel I think20:21
valdynds3: but beside that you can get anything via easy-debian too20:21
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ds3valdyn: how do I add a repo in this UI? previously, I can get to menus with the menu key but I am still lost as to how to do that20:22
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valdynds3: in the package manager click on the title20:23
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ds3got it20:23
realitygapsnoone has any ida how i can get the volume control and volume osd back?20:24
realitygapsi mean idea ....20:24
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Arif_where's everyone on a wednesday evening :P21:17
electronicsjardoes anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory?21:18
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SpeedEvilArif_: On the sofa21:20
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SpeedEvilWaiting for my crumble to cool.21:20
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TomaszD_one time you to a theatre and the play is late...21:22
colonelqubitI just registered for, but can't figure out how to PM. Clicking the PMs link in the sidebar gives me "you do not have permission to access this page." Is this an expected error?21:22
docksidedoes any of the maemo folks know if you were accepted to GSoC?21:23
MohammadAGcolonelqubit, I think you need to have some posts21:23
MohammadAGcolonelqubit, make sure you confirmed your account21:24
colonelqubitMohammadAG: it's confirmed21:24
electronicsjardoes anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory?21:24
MohammadAGcould be the posts then, ask a mod on here21:24
colonelqubitI mean, I got an auto-email, clicked the link, then got what appeared to be an email reply back.21:24
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colonelqubitIf I need posts, "you do not have permission to access this page" isn't exactly the error message I would use... :P21:26
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cpasjustehum, latest maemo release do not use g_ether anymore ?21:29
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timeless_mbpkhertan, should work21:31
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electronicsjardoes anyone here know how to set up a Nokia N810's Modest email client to store the email archives on the memory cards rather than the internal memory?21:41
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spliffycpasjuste: i used g_ether successfulla a week ago, so if there was no new firmware release today the answer is no21:42
cpasjustehum well the module do not seems to be loader at all, and do not exist in the module dir21:42
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spliffycpasjuste: may i ask what is your background? user? developer/geek?21:43
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cpasjustei would say devel21:43
spliffyjust so i don't propose developer tools to users :)21:44
cpasjustenot the best one tought ;)21:44
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spliffythere is this one tool .. what's its name again?21:44
cpasjusteactually i'm trying to see why the "flasher" utility do not work from script21:44
spliffyit has a button to load g_ether21:44
spliffyi don't know how it does it. maybe it's doing something special.21:45
spliffysomething like "mad developer"21:46
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MohammadAG_iidkdk  hohoww  bbuutt  ii  bbrorokkee  tthhee  kkeeyybbooaarrdd21:54
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MohammadAG_nvm fixed x.x21:55
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Arif_double the communication!21:55
MohammadAG_kinda weird21:56
MohammadAG_renice-ing the media player to 20 makes it super quick!21:57
RST38hMohammad: Does it still play videos jitter free?21:58
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MohammadAG_RST38h, lemme check, but audio doesn't stutter at +1.00 load21:58
MohammadAG_with the browser open21:58
* RST38h considers renicing browser21:59
Arif_the media player works nice for me when it doesn't crash22:00
MohammadAG_RST38h, video seems to be the same :(22:00
Arif_it just stutters if I come near the phone22:00
MohammadAG_never crashes here22:00
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MohammadAG_it stutters when i switch apps22:01
MohammadAG_now it doesn't22:01
Arif_oh well22:01
Arif_kmplayer is even worse22:01
Arif_it stutters when unlocking/locking the phone:D22:01
RST38hmplayer+SiB ftw22:02
Arif_does sib stream radio/tv?22:02
MohammadAG_RST38h, is it better than kmplayer?22:02
Arif_kmplayer needs a "repeat" option22:02
RST38hAnything is22:02
MohammadAG_personally i use mplayer itself (yes i like to type stuff to play videos)22:02
Arif_it gets tiring having to press play every 10 minutes22:02
Arif_when it disconnects22:02
* RST38h is missing a few features found in the Maemo4 mplayer though22:03
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RST38hIt had a nice OSD menu22:03
MohammadAG_i missed 4 complete OSs :(22:03
RST38hThe new one does not22:03
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RST38hActually, I would not be against including file selection into that same OSD menu22:03
MohammadAG_RST38h, download the diablo source, build it, optify, install22:03
MohammadAG_OSD back :p22:04
RST38hMohammad: I am maintaining too much stuff on Maemo already =(22:04
MohammadAG_never knew you uploaded packages o.O22:04
RST38hMohammad: Basically, if I take on mplayer as well, you will not get updates to XChat or FBReader or something else22:04
MohammadAG_screw mplayer :p22:05
Arif_oh so you made the XChat menu so small22:05
MohammadAG_what's FBreader?22:05
RST38hSo, somebody else should have the honour22:05
RST38hArif: Nah, has always been like that22:05
MohammadAG_ebook reader, nvm22:05
MohammadAG_Arif_, it's the same as the pc version22:05
MohammadAG_without libsexy (I think)22:05
Arif_I never used the PC version22:05
RST38hThere appears to be a way to make it bigger, more usable for the fingers22:05
Arif_but I had a hard time poking it with my fingers22:06
MohammadAG_it crashed the settings i think22:06
RST38hlibsexy has problems with Hildoninzed GTK+22:06
Arif_what does libsexy do?22:06
MohammadAG_i think it's big enough :p22:06
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RST38hAttaching libsexy to a gtk input widget crashed the whole thing22:06
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MohammadAG_Arif_, spell check22:06
Arif_not important22:06
Arif_me spleel gut :D22:07
RST38hMore importantly, XChat had a couple of timers that drained n900 battery22:07
MohammadAG_yaeh, woh uese spel chek nyways?22:07
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Arif_moomo has auto complete anyway22:07
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MohammadAG_RST38h, timers?22:07
RST38hMohammad: basically, having ticking timers is a bad thing on Maemo22:07
MohammadAG_sometimes i tab normal words :(22:07
MohammadAG_timers for what?22:08
RST38hMohammad: DCC transfer checks, connection check, etc22:08
* MohammadAG_ hates how killall doesn't support wildcards22:08
MohammadAG_wanted to try killall *22:08
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MohammadAG_RST38h, oh22:08
ds3(cd /proc; kill [0-9]*)22:09
ds3anything else?22:09
MohammadAG_ds3, thanks :P22:09
RST38hthat will probably overload the command line22:09
MohammadAG_will try it when i get to xchat (on my pc)22:09
RST38hbut there is always xargs -n1 for that =)22:09
MohammadAG_RST38h, eitherwayit will reboot :p22:10
ds3(cd /proc; find . -name '[0-9]*' | xargs kill )22:10
MohammadAG_+ space*22:10
ds3anything ELSE? :D22:10
MohammadAG_popcorn please22:10
MohammadAG_oh and a ds3 (dualshock3) :P22:10
Arif_I'd like a sixaxis controller22:11
Arif_to play SNES22:11
threshoh btw22:11
threshis it possible?22:11
* MohammadAG_ has 422:11
MohammadAG_oh, make that 522:11
threshi mean, to connect sixaxis to n90022:11
prontoi've dont thatt22:11
Arif_apparently it is22:11
MohammadAG_thresh, to?22:11
prontosixaix + n900 + snes+ tv out = win22:11
threshMohammadAG_: uhm?22:11
MohammadAG_use it with picodrive22:12
Arif_anyone have a Weeeemote with a classic controller?22:12
RST38hsixaxis is probably bigger than the n90022:12
Arif_is it ported to N900?22:12
MohammadAG_and supertux (lost count how many times i've played it)22:12
prontoone of my friends was bragging about his iphone, i took out the ps3 controller and tv out, and was like haha!22:12
MohammadAG_Arif_, megadrive/genesis emulator22:12
MohammadAG_thresh, freenode lags for me22:12
threshah alright22:12
Arif_but is it on the N900!22:12
prontoi really want the n64 emulator on the n90022:12
MohammadAG_Arif_, yesterday it was, runs @ 60fps, it's in extras-devel22:12
MohammadAG_Arif_, again yeah22:13
* Arif_ runs to rapidshare22:13
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MohammadAG_Arif_, run to extras-devel first22:13
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Arif_I need roms first22:13
MohammadAG_usual warnings, but i assume you know that22:13
Arif_yea yea22:13
Arif_my phone'll do a lapdance if I install the right app22:14
Arif_or something22:14
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MohammadAG_Arif_, multitask, run the install, download the roms22:14
RST38hSo, has tmo experienced a collective orgasm after PicoDrive went to Extras-Devel?22:14
Arif_multitasking ftw22:14
MohammadAG_i'm amazed at how quick/fast it runs22:14
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Arif_oh please22:14
Arif_it ran fine on the 660022:14
MohammadAG_my n97 ran it at about 20 i think22:14
MohammadAG_half the RES22:15
MohammadAG_Arif_, not @ 60fps :)22:15
Arif_maybe 5022:15
Arif_the N91 ran it fine too22:15
* MohammadAG_ misses his N97 form factor22:15
* Arif_ misses his N95 speakers and N91 headphone output22:16
* MohammadAG_ prefers not to remember eveything else about the N9722:16
MohammadAG_5800 speakers were better22:16
MohammadAG_but yeah, the N95 had comparable ones22:16
Arif_you're right22:16
MohammadAG_best i've had22:16
Arif_I only used the 5800 for a while though22:17
MohammadAG_never owned a 580022:17
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MohammadAG_camera was a downgrade22:17
Arif_only thing that stopped me was lack of coreplayer22:17
RST38h5800 is nice22:17
MohammadAG_the X6 has good speakers too i think22:17
MohammadAG_oh screw them, i'll get a stereo and connect it22:17
Arif_I hope Nokia makes a Moogo device with real speakers22:17
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Arif_they should call it moogo :D22:18
RST38hjust call it maeblin22:18
RST38hwill become an instant hit in .ru22:19
MohammadAG_hate RPM22:20
MohammadAG_lol RST38h22:20
Arif_what does it mean :p22:20
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RST38hArif: something like mofucklin22:20
MohammadAG_RST38h, would running a script from a script cause memory issues?22:20
RST38hMohammad: Not unless you do it recursively many times22:21
RST38hEvery script will start in its own copy of the shell22:21
MohammadAG_RST38h, that's what i'm planning to do22:21
threshrpm ftw22:21
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Stskeepsexcellent, vbulletin for meego22:22
MohammadAG_actually, i never tried it extensively22:22
MohammadAG_used fedora for three days22:22
RST38hStskeeps: What is the decision on the CMS?22:22
StskeepsRST38h: no idea22:22
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Arif_whoever ported picodrive22:28
Arif_did some funny stuff :D22:28
MohammadAG_Arif_, can you type the pipe symbol?22:28
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MohammadAG_broke my Sym 'menu'22:29
MohammadAG_ty :)22:29
Arif_half of the picodrive menu is Turkish22:29
RST38hlooks ok here22:30
MohammadAG_Arif_, english here :p22:30
Arif_I have the phone set to Turkish with the fan translation22:30
Arif_guess Picodrive reads some text from that:)22:30
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Arif_900 megadrive games22:32
* Arif_ looks around for the cable22:32
MohammadAG_RST38h, reniced the browser22:32
MohammadAG_speeds up the engine, slows down the UI22:32
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RST38hMohammad: microb ui, you mean?22:33
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MohammadAG_RST38h, yeah (scrolling and the like)22:33
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MohammadAG_reniced the browser itself, scrolling doesn't show checkerboards22:34
Arif_wtf is reniceing22:34
MohammadAG_fast scrolling, even on facebook!22:34
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Stskeepsprobably also takes a bunch of cpu22:34
Arif_and how do I do that myself :P22:34
MohammadAG_Arif_, changing the priority of apps22:34
DocScrutinizerArif_: man renice22:35
MohammadAG_processes actually22:35
MohammadAG_Stskeeps, well yeah, after all you're giving it higher cpu priority22:35
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, man doesn't work on the N90022:36
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MohammadAG_sh: man: not found22:36
MohammadAG_yeah really :)22:36
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-17 17:51:19] <DocScrutinizer> where's the friggin mandb package22:37
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Stskeepsno man, takes up too much space22:37
Arif_well, there's 220MB space after all....22:38
WizzupYeh, I kinda want man too22:38
WizzupBusybox is also kinda pissing me off, but at least there is bash and some gnu utils22:38
Arif_couldn't they have put it on the 2GB space22:38
MohammadAG_Stskeeps, how much is too much?22:38
* DocScrutinizer points to optification22:38
StskeepsMohammadAG_: i think i rescued a fair bit doing manpurge22:39
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Noobmonk3yleft my stylus as home....22:39
Arif_better than losing it ;)22:39
Noobmonk3yfeel a bit naked without it....22:39
* MohammadAG_ points to putting the whole filesystem on the 32GB nand22:39
Noobmonk3ytrue, got some spares :)22:39
MohammadAG_and keeping /opt as /opt22:39
Arif_wouldn't that slow the phone down22:40
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: +10022:40
Arif_Noobmonk3y, I refuse to pay €7 for a plastic pen :P22:40
infobotfrom memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs22:40
MohammadAG_Arif_, slightly, and it would kill USB mass storage, but what the hell, I have scp for that22:40
Noobmonk3yahhh 3 for £222:40
Noobmonk3ylittle thinner but fit fine22:40
Arif_from feebay?22:41
MohammadAG_FUBAR LOL22:41
Noobmonk3ychina hehe22:41
ptlis there a program for the N900 that helps you locate the device if it is stolen?22:41
Noobmonk3ymoulded the same, but not as hefty, so bend if you press 2 much22:41
Arif_doesn't work in my wlan22:41
MohammadAG_Arif_, copying files over the network22:41
Arif_only if I connect over 3G22:41
MohammadAG_uses ssh22:41
Arif_I don't want to transfer files at 100KB/s22:41
MohammadAG_i have to use my external IP22:42
Arif_I tried both22:42
MohammadAG_but it's always the same22:42
Noobmonk3yi was thinking of developing a hidden location uploaded. but nothings really hidden22:42
MohammadAG_static IP22:42
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MohammadAG_Arif_, ports forwarded?22:42
Arif_shouldn't matter actually22:42
Arif_it's in my lan22:42
MohammadAG_someone started the whole OS on the 32GB NAND thing right?22:42
MohammadAG_it just need R&D mode, and i kept that on for a week22:43
tybolltthat's the way to do it22:43
MohammadAG_was testing something and went on holiday22:43
MohammadAG_forgot to change it back22:43
MohammadAG_actually i'm thinking of something now22:44
MohammadAG_32GB cards have been released22:44
MohammadAG_i'll get one, format it into ext2, make a 50MB vfat partition and put the ext2 driver on it22:44
Arif_they're only 120 €22:45
MohammadAG_(or ext3 if it works with the windows driver)22:45
MohammadAG_and i'll put the OS on the 32GB NAND22:45
nidONoobmonk3y going back up a bit, got a link to the seller of the styli you can get at 3 for £2 that fit into the n900's holder?22:45
MohammadAG_oh yeah, we'll use the 256MB NAND for swap, should be faster22:46
Arif_I wonder if the DS styli will fit22:46
nidOthey dont22:46
Noobmonk3ywill link it thru when i get home :)22:46
Arif_would look kinda silly anyway22:46
nidOmuch too fat to get into the holder22:46
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Arif_white styli in a black phone :D22:46
nidOyou can get black ones22:46
MohammadAG_Arif_, it's too short22:46
MohammadAG_mine's gray22:46
MohammadAG_1st DS22:46
Arif_I have the lite22:47
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: I suggest to have a swapFILE on NAND, and a lower priority secondary swap on a 500MB partition in eMMC22:47
Arif_I'm thinking of getting the i XL :P22:47
nidOI dont have a ds atall, but bought them for my archos :>22:47
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, that's all great but 32GBs haven't arrived here, so i'm pretty much planning what i'm saying :)22:47
Noobmonk3yhmmmm xchat is not very finger friendly22:48
MohammadAG_oh and knowing israel, it should come out for $21022:48
MohammadAG_or €s22:48
Arif_Noobmonk3y I though that too :P22:48
Arif_and neither is VNC viewer22:48
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: I don't see the need of a 32GB uSD. Should work with 16GB as well22:48
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: how come?22:49
Noobmonk3yits just not, sidebars etc....22:49
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, well I have a 16GB one22:49
MohammadAG_will start on this tomorrow22:49
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Noobmonk3ythe bottom part is fine22:49
nidO2gb at the mo in mine :<22:50
MohammadAG_mer handles the watchdog22:50
Noobmonk3ybut i do have fat fingers22:50
MohammadAG_i guess i can ask in #mer22:50
Arif_I don't have any microSD in it22:50
Wild_DoogyAnyone have an estimation of the N900's bluetooth range?  RC project in the works....22:50
nidOin what conditions22:50
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MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, volume buttons can be used for that part22:50
Noobmonk3ybout 6-10m22:50
Noobmonk3yoooo sexy!22:51
Noobmonk3yty mohammad22:51
Noobmonk3yany idea on a trick to sort name completion?22:51
Wild_DoogyNoobmonk3y: Thanks22:51
MohammadAG_RC meh, how about a predator missle or something :p22:51
DocScrutinizerfriggin relogins on N900 xchat :-/22:51
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MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, umm22:52
Noobmonk3ythink it may be poss to boost it.... bit like fm... not sure how tho22:52
MohammadAG_shift + right22:52
MohammadAG_or ctrl + right22:52
MohammadAG_changed the default one, RST38h should know though22:52
nidONoobmonk3y I dont think that's particularly likely22:52
Noobmonk3yand prob not22:53
nidOfm tx can be boosted as it's artificially limited to it's current tx power to comply with various laws22:53
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, settings advanced keyboard shortcuts22:53
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: (name compl) on xchat?22:53
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MohammadAG_can't type symbols so the last line was messy22:53
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, this DocScrutinizer22:53
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Wild_DoogyNoobmonk3y: That I will look into, and thanks. (I found an arduino Xbee capable of 1 mile. I didn't know Bluetooth could do that.)22:54
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, tab button behaviour22:54
Noobmonk3ythanks MohammadAG22:54
Noobmonk3yyay to nick auto completion22:54
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, I type Doc then press CTRL + right to complete it to DocScrutinizer22:55
DocScrutinizerxchat prefs kbd-shortcuts -> set "complete names" to shift-space22:55
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Noobmonk3yahhh i set mine to ctrl+ right, workin fine22:55
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MohammadAG_np Noobmonk3y22:55
Noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer, is a long name to type everytime!22:55
MohammadAG_same here :)22:56
DocScrutinizeractually it's called "complete nick/command"22:56
Noobmonk3yand so is MohammadAG22:56
MohammadAG_shift creaked when i got the device, so i avoided it22:56
MohammadAG_and Noobmonk3y22:56
Noobmonk3ymy screen started clicking a bit recently22:56
Noobmonk3ydont notice it too much22:56
MohammadAG_let me guess22:56
Noobmonk3yjust in parts,22:56
MohammadAG_top area?22:56
Noobmonk3ymiddle earlier22:57
Noobmonk3yall fine now22:57
DocScrutinizerctrl-right is skip word by default - bad idea to remap it to nick-completion22:57
Noobmonk3ytoo late DocScrutinizer22:57
MohammadAG_same here22:57
Noobmonk3yhuh huh?22:57
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, top right area22:57
DocScrutinizeryou're right, it's too late here22:57
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG, middle earlier, changes tho....22:57
MohammadAG_it clicks inside and makes a sound22:57
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MohammadAG_it annoys me - a lot22:58
MohammadAG_pressed hard on it and it seems to be fixed - for now22:58
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Noobmonk3ywas testing the top right of the screen!22:58
Noobmonk3yhit the x22:58
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, question, was it warmer where you live when the clicking started?22:59
MohammadAG_my n900 seems a bit faster today22:59
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lbtX-Fade: ping23:00
Noobmonk3yerm, nope. been under 8 degrees the whole time23:00
nidOmine's just annoying me confounding me at bubbels a little bit more today :<23:00
Noobmonk3ymine just seems random and is ignorable23:01
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, ok, thought about putting it in the fridge since the issue doesn't happen in the morning/night23:01
Noobmonk3ymight just be loose23:02
MohammadAG_thought it's cause it's been warmer23:02
ds3okay, this confirm to delete on the N900 mail client is annoying23:02
MohammadAG_(i'm serious) :p23:02
ds3is there a way of disabling that?23:02
Noobmonk3ywish i was in a warmer climate23:02
Noobmonk3yanyone got a job for an it advisor lol23:02
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, can it be fixed23:02
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, wanna swap?23:02
Noobmonk3yno idea,23:02
Noobmonk3ywhere r u?23:02
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MohammadAG_Jerusalem PS/IL (indifferent)23:03
Wild_DoogyCheck the pinmap  :-D23:03
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MohammadAG_you might have to import the N950 when it's released though23:03
Noobmonk3ythats effort on the n90023:03
MohammadAG_@ Noobmonk3y23:03
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* Noobmonk3y needs a holiday23:04
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, oh and there aren't any maps for IL23:04
MohammadAG_unless you use the FULL google maps site23:05
MohammadAG_the touch optimized community ones show a blank map23:05
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Noobmonk3ystill effort looking at maps on here23:05
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, i'd really like one too23:05
MohammadAG_might visit the bermuda triangle23:05
MohammadAG_where you from Noobmonk3y ?23:06
Noobmonk3yi'm going to spring harvest in 2 weeks.... might meet up with rev kathy.... wayyyy to much religion for me lol23:06
Noobmonk3yi'm on th uk, south coast23:06
Noobmonk3yin the*23:07
* Noobmonk3y started coding "pull my finger" today23:08
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Arif_the first fart app for the N900!23:08
MohammadAG_Noobmonk3y, you made health check right?23:08
Noobmonk3yyup :)23:08
Noobmonk3ymaking* to be precise23:08
MohammadAG_love the scrolling in it, is it Qt?23:08
Noobmonk3yawww thanks, yeah, pyqt23:09
Arif_I'm like the only person who hasn't written an app for the N900 in htere23:09
nidOheh you're not too far from my company's office, thats in fareham23:09
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MohammadAG_there goes the other me23:09
Noobmonk3y3 weeks from first learning to get it into extras :)23:09
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Arif_you two should meet up and have a teaparty!23:09
Noobmonk3yawww arif!23:09
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Noobmonk3yyou can help me with pull my finger hehehe23:10
nidOArif_ sadly though my company's office is the other side of the country to me :p23:10
N900evil_next version is the n9314 - following on from the roots of the n900, and adding UI and styling from the n7600.23:10
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking23:10
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Noobmonk3ythe N90210?23:10
FIQi'm not a developer, but guess i'm going to be some... time23:10
Noobmonk3y29 :)23:10
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Arif_you're old ;P23:11
Noobmonk3yi r old23:11
MohammadAGArif_, you?23:11
Noobmonk3ypic of me smally on www.greg-roberts.com23:11
Arif_18 ={23:11
Arif_nidO is like 5023:12
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nidOI just meant you though, Noobmonk3y's olllld!23:12
MohammadAG16 here :)23:12
* FIQ is like 1523:12
Noobmonk3yi am old lol23:12
Noobmonk3ylike 15?23:12
Arif_I hear that from 12 year old girls23:12
nidOI wonder if "hey she was like 16" would work as a defence.23:13
MohammadAGbut u can code Noobmonk3y :p23:13
* Noobmonk3y smiles23:13
Noobmonk3ycan i? lol!23:13
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, means he's 5123:13
FIQok, fine, i'm 1523:13
DocScrutinizerArif_: I have an idea on which situation you hear that ;-P23:13
FIQ16 in 3 months though23:13
petteriany news when pr 1.2 is coming?23:13
Arif_I wasn't involved in anything!23:13
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nidO"16 in 3 months" = 15. I thought kids were lazy, why make things longer.23:14
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Noobmonk3ytalking of healthcheck, 12 hours till get gets to downloads :)23:14
* N900evil_ checks again for 1.1.123:14
MohammadAGi miss my 15 year old self23:14
* Noobmonk3y slaps petteri 23:14
* Arif_ checks for PR1.423:14
FIQnid0, meh23:14
MohammadAGArif_, won't be a PR1.423:15
petterilast week I saw some discussion that it has gone to the certifies and will be hopefully out in a week23:15
Arif_I have the feeling you're right23:15
DocScrutinizer~slap Arif_23:15
* infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!23:15
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Arif_Moomo will die a silent death23:15
* Noobmonk3y fondles infobot23:15
* Arif_ sends hordes of Apple fanboys after DocScrutinizer23:16
* Noobmonk3y blinks23:16
MohammadAG~curse RPM23:16
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, RPM !23:16
* Noobmonk3y has no tilde......23:16
Arif_why not23:17
DocScrutinizerinfobot: botsnack23:17
infobotDocScrutinizer: thanks23:17
infobot~~~~~~~~~~~ are YOU READY?????????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~23:17
MohammadAGArif_, poor fanbyos, what did they do to deserve that23:17
DocScrutinizer~ignore Noobmonk3y23:17
* infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Noobmonk3y!"23:18
infoboti heard ~ is the key23:18
Arif_MohammadAG, they use rotten fruit!23:18
MohammadAGinfobot, is a she?23:18
Noobmonk3y~f9ndle DocScrutinizer23:18
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Noobmonk3ywtf am i on23:18
ptlwhat's that about the ~ ??23:18
ptlã is even better. Or ñ23:18
Noobmonk3y~curse ptl23:19
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ptl !23:19
MohammadAGArif_, i hear apple trademarked the words apple and air23:19
Noobmonk3y~ slap Arif_23:19
* infobot slaps Arif_, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!23:19
Arif_being a WinXP admin sounds easy enough23:20
Arif_just reset the server every 3 hours23:20
MohammadAGArif_, macbook air23:20
nidOor administer it properly :<23:20
Noobmonk3y~ fondle MohammadAG23:20
MohammadAGnet user (user)*23:20
Arif_nidO, lazily>properly23:20
MohammadAGchanges pass in cmd23:20
* Noobmonk3y thinks infobot needs some loving 23:20
Arif_MohammadAG, who in their right mind buys an apple laptop :P23:20
nidOyou do it properly once, you can be lazy for years till the day it dies.23:20
nidOmuch easier overall!23:20
DocScrutinizeror nuke the whole shit, and get something decent23:20
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MohammadAGArif_, fanboys?23:21
Arif_they have too much money23:21
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MohammadAGand too little heads23:22
ptlall proprietary software is cursed with -1 alignment points, if I get enough I'll become "darth ptl" or something like that23:22
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MohammadAGending convo23:22
MohammadAGcan't we all just live along :p23:22
Xisdibikptl  -1 alightment points in the chaotic or evil direction :P?23:23
ptlevil, of course23:23
Xisdibikwhat alighnment did you start out as?23:24
ptlI'll become darth ptl, not wacky ptl23:24
MohammadAGwell, gotta go23:24
MohammadAGhave to wake up in 6 hours23:24
MohammadAGnn everyone23:24
ptl0! neutrl!23:24
Arif_join the darkside!23:24
Arif_we have cookies!23:24
ptlnight MohammadAG23:24
Xisdibikptl: then you need some apps that give you +1 lawful.  as im sure a sith lord is lawful evil23:24
Arif_I really wonder why you need to get up at 423:24
realitygapswill 1.2 be ota upgradeable? lost the usb port on mine already...23:25
Arif_lost the usb port?23:25
ptlyou too?23:25
Arif_wtf do you DO with your phones?23:25
ptlmany people have this problem23:25
realitygapsyep, prerelease tho23:25
realitygapshappened a while ago23:25
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ptlcan't you fix it?23:25
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Arif_I lost my stlyus and neck cord23:25
realitygapsptl: maybe a friend will open it up23:25
Arif_and I dropped it a million times23:26
realitygapsbut some of the pcb came out with the port23:26
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XisdibikArif_: ive not lost mine, not dropped mine, not lost parts of mine, :D23:26
XisdibikArif_: all parts of mine are in working order23:26
XisdibikArif_: I just need more people to optify their programs ;)23:26
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nidOmine's in perfect condition as well \o/23:27
nidOsans screen protector, too23:27
Arif_my phone got saved by girls a few times...23:27
nidOmy girlfriend almost threw mine across the room the other day]23:28
ptlI've got a rubberized case and screen protector23:28
nidOstartling her with espeak via ssh while she was on the sofa playing bubbels was in retrospect hilariously funny but very risky23:28
Arif_nidO, you should love your gf not the N90023:28
Xisdibikpssh blashpehmy Arif_23:29
Veggennid0: my gf totally loved mine...after 4 days, she said "my turn!", grabbed it, and didn't give it back for a few hours...23:29
XisdibikN900 > family > friends > gf23:30
nidOshes always nicking mine to play bubbels23:30
nidObitch beat my high score too, I and cant top it :<23:30
Xisdibiki dont have bubbles installed23:30
ptldo you have a geek girlfriend, Veggen?23:30
Arif_I have most, if not all games from extras installed23:31
nidObubbels is in testing.23:31
XisdibikArif_: ^^23:31
nidOgo test it and vote it up23:31
Veggenptl: sure I do.23:31
nidOit deserves to get into extras23:31
timeless_mbpArif_: including the ones that are 200-300mb ?23:31
XisdibiknidO: is it optified >23:31
Veggenptl: I found mine in the local Linux User Group :)23:31
ptlVeggen: you lucky bast*rd! :P lol23:31
Arif_girls use linux?23:32
nidOI still reckon real genuine geek girlfriends are a myth23:32
* Arif_ runs off to download some linux distro ;P23:32
* Stskeeps wouldn't want a coder gf of the sole reason he hates arguing about code with people he really really likes23:32
nidOmine's an evil solicitor :(23:32
XisdibikArif_: Fembots =/= female.. so no they dont23:32
ds3arrrgg finger prints all over23:32
Veggengranted, she's not as geeky as me.23:33
VeggenWhich, I guess, is a good thing ;)23:33
ptlds3: that's nice, this way you can know who committed the crime23:33
nidOdoes she secretly despise you for that?23:33
ds3ptl: so the N900 is a crime now? :D23:33
Arif_Veggen, she wouldn't give you any attention :P23:33
ptlds3: I guess it's evidence from the crime scene!23:33
Veggennid0: How should I know? I'm a guy. we're notoriously bad at interpreting womens thoughts :)23:33
Veggenbeing a geek doesn't make *that* part any better :)23:34
DocScrutinizerssometimes denying there are any23:34
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Arif_what are these thoughts you talk about23:35
ds3i really need a screen protector :(23:35
VeggenI once misinterpreted a girl who spent her first wage *ever* to come visit me (from Germany to Norway), when she'd only met me once the year before.23:36
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ds3too many finger prints23:36
Veggengranted, I might have interpreted it that way had I known at the time and not later that it *was* her first wage she spent on it.23:36
ds3the colors on the N900 makes them show up more then on the N80023:36
Xisdibiklol what Veggen23:37
Arif_Veggen is mean23:37
VeggenArif: am not.23:37
Xisdibiksure Veggen...23:37
DocScrutinizerVeggen is a womanizer23:37
Arif_sure you are23:37
* Noobmonk3y needs a beer23:38
Xisdibikthats to a certain artist who i dont like to listen to23:38
Xisdibikthe first thing i think of when i hear womanizer.. is a woman23:38
VeggenDocScrutinizer: not at all :) I'm so slow that most girls have given up and moved on before I understand *one thing* about it.23:38
Xisdibikthats = thanks23:38
DocScrutinizerVeggen: I get it now you're maried and live in Germany ? ;-P23:38
VeggenDocScrutinizer: nah.23:38
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XisdibikDocScrutinizer: he lives in norway23:39
Noobmonk3ythat killed the covnversation23:40
tybolltblasted northug :-@23:40
Arif_Veggen, I usually have the oppsite23:40
tybollt~kill northug23:40
* infobot shoots a super-inverse positrino gun at northug23:40
Noobmonk3y~eat Arif_23:41
* infobot slurps up all the Arif_ available23:41
Veggensports? Am geek, not into it :)23:41
Noobmonk3yoooo slurrping23:41
Arif_slurps eh?23:41
Arif_sounds good23:41
Noobmonk3y~poke lcuk23:41
* infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lcuk, pokes lcuk repeatedly, hilarity ensues.23:41
Veggentybollt: you swedes can beat him all you want for me...23:42
Noobmonk3y~beat Veggen23:42
* infobot beats Veggen with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish23:42
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: that sucks23:42
Xisdibikis this Bubbels game you all speak of "Blubbels"?23:42
Noobmonk3y~suck DocScrutinizer23:42
* infobot sucks DocScrutinizer's neck23:42
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Noobmonk3ythat sucks23:42
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ptl...DocScrutinizer's neck!23:43
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infobota perl script that downloads random jpegs and draws them on your X11 display. URL:
Noobmonk3yand i thought blinking was simple23:44
* DocScrutinizer suggests /query infobot , for unlimited fun without spamming the chan23:44
Noobmonk3ylet the spamming commence23:45
Noobmonk3y~spam Arif_23:45
* infobot subscribes Arif_ to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for Arif_ to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day23:45
Arif_my gmail gets more than that23:45
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Noobmonk3y~uberspam Arif_23:45
DocScrutinizerchanop: could you reduce the noise please?23:45
Arif_~lick Noobmonk3y23:46
* infobot licks Noobmonk3y *SHLUUURRRRPPP*23:46
Xisdibikok whats the best game in the repos for my n900? :p23:46
Noobmonk3yoooo baby!!!23:46
Arif_Xisdibik, bubb0lz23:46
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: spamalert23:46
Xisdibiki noticed in devel theres a PSX emulator.. i thought that was far beyond the capabilities of the n900?23:47
Noobmonk3ywhats psx?23:47
XisdibikPlaystation 123:47
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Arif_it runs at 4 fps23:48
Xisdibiki wouldnt doubt it lol23:48
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Xisdibikhas anyone tried out freeciv on the n900?23:48
Arif_I have more hopes in the N64 emu23:48
Noobmonk3ynot yet, want to tho23:48
XisdibikI played it a fair bit on my desktop23:48
Xisdibikbut at 1024x600 it was a bit funky on my netbook23:48
Xisdibikso im scared to think how it is on the n90023:49
* RST38h watches freeloaders with zoological interest23:49
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Noobmonk3y~hug dneary_23:49
* infobot jumps into dneary_'s lap and huggles and *hugs* dneary_ 23:49
Arif_~prod RST38h23:49
* infobot zaps RST38h with a high voltage cattle prod23:49
dneary_hi Noobmonk3y23:50
Noobmonk3ytwas all the bots fault....23:50
dneary_I'm glad that there has been an end put to the forum software discussion23:50
Noobmonk3yhas there?23:51
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RST38hdneary: what about CMS though?23:51
Noobmonk3ywhich 1?23:51
Arif_I wonder if picodrive plays 32x games23:51
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dneary_RST38h, I have an idea, let's everybody give their preferences for every piece of server software the project's going to need and discuss for weeks the pros and cons23:52
RST38hdneary: well it is not the worst idea23:52
dneary_RST38h, The CMS is going to be Drupal, it's more or less final & has been (as far as I can tell) from the start23:52
derfWhat software should we use to collect these preferences?23:52
RST38hdneary: certainly better than forcing Midgard on everyone =)23:52
Arif_here's a better idea23:53
* RST38h moos at derf23:53
Arif_just go with whatever's easiest to use23:53
dneary_RST38h, I prefer getting on with it, and having the people who are going to administer choose23:53
RST38hdneary: Drupal should be ok, I am semihappy :)23:53
dneary_(at least, once you have a minimum of features & ease of use & popularity)23:53
Noobmonk3ydneary_,  that approach can end up with 5different usernames........23:53
dneary_5 different usernames?23:54
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Noobmonk3yok, slight exaggeration23:54
Noobmonk3ybut my aim would be to ensure any tools that get aadded, like bugzilla, garage etc can use a single sign on23:55
Noobmonk3ycauses alot of frustration at the mo23:55
dneary_There is one restraining feature of the whole system, and thatis that you need root on the meego servers to add new software23:55
dneary_So at the end of the day you have to convince root, or root's bosses23:55
dneary_sudo make me a sandwich23:55
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timeless_mbpdneary_: some services don't require auth :)23:57
timeless_mbpwho was i supposed to talk to about the dns entry?23:57
timeless_mbpmy brain is fried23:57
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ZogGif nokia leaves n900 it would be sad, if it would support it it would be good(cause main power anyway would go to meego, and i'm sure it would work on n900 but not fully compative) but the best optuion if nokia leaves n900 to community and opens all the specs/drivers/*modules/everything23:57
dneary_timeless_mbp, Some services can be installed in userland, sure. You still need a user account on the server23:57
timeless_mbpdneary_: i just need a CNAME23:58
timeless_mbpi'm not going to run things on your servers :)23:58
timeless_mbptoo much pain, no benefit23:58
dneary_timeless_mbp, /me is not a DNS sysadmin23:58
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