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| * Arif_ throws megadrive roms at Noobmonk3y | 00:15 | |
| Arif_ | the picodrive port works great | 00:15 |
| Arif_ | \o/ | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Qi-Hardware-Ben-NanoNote/ hmm | 00:37 |
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| cehteh | uhm .. | 00:40 |
| cehteh | the specs dont turn me on | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 00:40 |
| SpeedEvil | lack of wifi is a regrettable dealbreaker | 00:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | ~throw Arif_ | 00:41 |
| * infobot winds up and throws Arif_ over the moon. | 00:41 | |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: FAIL :) | 00:41 |
| SpeedEvil | SDIO wifi cards are regrettably expensive. | 00:41 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: formfactor is ok .. but processor, ram, flash, display .. are not | 00:41 |
| * Noobmonk3y blinks | 00:42 | |
| cehteh | double or triple the price and provide decent hardware .. then its ok | 00:42 |
| cehteh | (well, i'd take it with decent hardware for $99 too) | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | processor, RAM, aren't that a big issue for me | 00:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ~lick lcuk | 00:43 |
| * infobot licks lcuk *SHLUUURRRRPPP* | 00:43 | |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: 32MB ram ... it is 2010 ffs :) | 00:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | 64 | 00:44 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: MIPS. | 00:44 |
| RST38h | it is gonna be crap all the way from keyboard to cpu | 00:44 |
| tybollt | Ingenic's MIPS-compatible 336MHz XBurst Jz4720 processor, 32MB SDRAM, and 2GB NAND flash, and offers a 3-inch, 320 x 240 display. | 00:45 |
| Arif_ | what kind of crappy device is that | 00:45 |
| Arif_ | :D | 00:45 |
| tybollt | ^^^^^^32MB SDRAM | 00:45 |
| tybollt | Arif_: it's openmoko involved so... go figure ;) | 00:45 |
| RST38h | a generic chinese crapgadget | 00:45 |
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| Arif_ | I've never heard of that | 00:45 |
| cehteh | move along, nothing to see here | 00:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 00:46 |
| Arif_ | whats openmoko and why are they so great/do they suck | 00:46 |
| Arif_ | :P | 00:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | its the nokia n90210 all over again | 00:46 |
| tybollt | ;) | 00:46 |
| RST38h | Arif: Google, no? | 00:46 |
| Arif_ | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33953 | 00:46 |
| Arif_ | N900 ftw | 00:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 00:47 |
| cehteh | waah .. thats the worst clone i seen so far | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: you don't want a n900 mini? | 00:47 |
| RST38h | it is an iPhone clone!!!! | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it has portrait. | 00:48 |
| Arif_ | it has portrait mode | 00:48 |
| Arif_ | clone>N900 | 00:48 |
| wolf^ | http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_33953_13.jpg :D | 00:48 |
| tybollt | heh | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And dual-SIM | 00:48 |
| Arif_ | and fm radio out of the box | 00:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh.... i miss my pager | 00:48 |
| cehteh | there are quite better clones | 00:48 |
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| Arif_ | wolf^, win! | 00:48 |
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| * RST38h thinks it can now be safely said that there is a choice of linux based crapgadgets on the market | 00:50 | |
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| RST38h | You should not necessarily fall for the first one available, like some of the present people have done in the past =) | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It is limited. I can see roles where it would be useful. | 00:50 |
| cehteh | 2 x 1200mAh lithium ion rechargeable batteries (actual 800mAh) | 00:50 |
| cehteh | nice spec .. lmao | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, a portable IRC terminal, for in the garden. | 00:51 |
| cehteh | means 400mAh each prolly? :) | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (neglecting the lack of wifi) | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | (wifi-sd are half again the price) | 00:51 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis test | 00:52 |
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| anotnac | something crazy is happening everytime i try visit talk.maemo.com i get diverted to microsoft silverlight | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a node controller for house. | 00:53 |
| anotnac | can you guys test it out http://talk.maemo.org/ | 00:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | wfm | 00:54 |
| tybollt | wfm | 00:54 |
| nidO | ditto | 00:54 |
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| anotnac | strange let me clear history and reboot, this is what it diverts to for me http://www.microsoft.com/products/ceip/EN-US/default.mspx | 00:56 |
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| anotnac | brb | 00:57 |
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| RST38h | Scientists have found a 67 million-year-old fossil of a snake coiled around dinosaur eggs and a hatchling. | 00:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Snakes! On a pleisiosaur! | 00:59 |
| anotnac | working now i cleared browser data, strange it chose microsoft to mess up with lol | 00:59 |
| tybollt | RST38h: wooha, url? | 01:00 |
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| Khertan | Hello All ! | 01:00 |
| Khertan | again ! | 01:00 |
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| Khertan | Ouch the new xchat on fremantle is really nice ! | 01:01 |
| RST38h | tybollt: www.dailyrotten.com | 01:01 |
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| spliffy | Khertan: what is better? the interface? | 01:01 |
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| spliffy | Khertan: just curious | 01:01 |
| Khertan | oh yest ! | 01:02 |
| Khertan | yes the interface | 01:02 |
| spliffy | nice! nice! nice! | 01:02 |
| Khertan | and i like the notification too | 01:02 |
| spliffy | got to take a look immediately :-) | 01:02 |
| * RST38h is busy switching notifications off at the moment =) | 01:02 | |
| Khertan | very usefull i found ... | 01:02 |
| cehteh | mhm any changes? | 01:02 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Naah, not much | 01:03 |
| cehteh | ok :) | 01:03 |
| Khertan | the last time i try xchat it was on Diablo | 01:03 |
| cehteh | would wonder me | 01:03 |
| cehteh | no one send me a patch :P | 01:03 |
| spliffy | oh ... well | 01:03 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Basically, disabling the much despised note thing by default and enabling the standard xchat bubble notifications | 01:03 |
| RST38h | cehteh: the "patch" is two characters (changing 1s to 0s) | 01:03 |
| cehteh | ;) | 01:03 |
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| cehteh | lemme update | 01:04 |
| RST38h | cehteh: the bubbles do look better and less obtrusive but miss icons. I am fixing icons at the moment. | 01:04 |
| cehteh | what are 'bubbles' | 01:04 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis test | 01:04 |
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| cehteh | i mentally reserved the 'n' mode for libnotify, just in case someone (or me) will work on it | 01:05 |
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| cehteh | but so far it works well enough for me | 01:06 |
| cehteh | btw .. some (long) time ago i had a powersaving problem on the laptop with xchat, turned out that it was caused by the python or tcl plugin (cant remember which one) | 01:07 |
| cehteh | in case you want to provide that, keep an eye on it | 01:07 |
| RST38h | cehteh: libnotify works | 01:07 |
| RST38h | cehteh: by default, in xchat | 01:07 |
| cehteh | didnt know | 01:07 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I have just enabled it in the default config. Just need to fix the icons | 01:07 |
| Khertan | hum i think letting a option too to let user to choose for kinectic scrolling in the window or selexcting | 01:07 |
| cehteh | kinetic scrolling conflicts selecting | 01:08 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Probably undoable, the window is a custom widget | 01:08 |
| cehteh | but the userlist and channellist could be improved by kinetic scrolling | 01:08 |
| RST38h | No idea how to add kinetic scrolling to it, although you can try if you would like | 01:08 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 01:08 |
| Khertan | RST38h ... is it coded in python ? | 01:08 |
| RST38h | no, sorry | 01:08 |
| RST38h | coded in real programming language :) | 01:09 |
| Khertan | pfff :) | 01:09 |
| cehteh | context menu on channels in tree-view is broken too | 01:09 |
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| RST38h | DIY Steve Jobs Cheese Head | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | kinetic scrolling is hard. Would hte tophalf of hte chatwindow acting as pgup be hard? | 01:09 |
| Arif_ | MM | 01:09 |
| Arif_ | CHEESE | 01:09 |
| Arif_ | oops | 01:10 |
| Arif_ | :D | 01:10 |
| Khertan | did you custom widget can be put in a viewport ? | 01:10 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: You go and implement it, the sources are available | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:10 |
| Khertan | lol | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm busy lawning. | 01:10 |
| RST38h | Sorry to hear that =) | 01:11 |
| * cehteh is busy raising btrees for a pseudo database, no time either :P | 01:11 | |
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| RST38h | See what happens when someone has to do some real work as opposed to discussing it? =) | 01:11 |
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| cehteh | hah .. i did my part! | 01:12 |
| RST38h | cehteh: true =) | 01:12 |
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| Khertan | I've some a question with gtk and textview | 01:13 |
| Khertan | how i can set the color of the border | 01:14 |
| Khertan | exemple : http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink | 01:14 |
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| Khertan | any idea ? | 01:16 |
| RST38h | Khertan: In Maemo5, there may not be a way | 01:17 |
| * RST38h had similar problems recently: could not set the color of the input widget | 01:17 | |
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| Khertan | arg not really good | 01:18 |
| Khertan | this was always the case in diablo | 01:18 |
| RST38h | the standard gtk+ functions are there but they do nothing | 01:18 |
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| Khertan | as you can see i can set the bg color of the textview | 01:18 |
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| Khertan | but not without modify_bg() but with modify_base() | 01:19 |
| Khertan | and the border color stay white | 01:19 |
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| Khertan | :( | 01:19 |
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| ptl | in the example you have shown a pygtkeditor window with that | 01:22 |
| ptl | can't you look at the code? | 01:22 |
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| ptl | or it was a mockup? | 01:22 |
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| Khertan | ? | 01:22 |
| cityLights | can anyone assist with network issue | 01:22 |
| Khertan | you want too see the code ? | 01:22 |
| ptl | no, no | 01:23 |
| ptl | you want to change the color of the border, like in http://picasaweb.google.fr/lh/photo/7bbtmDLKNx_-LPRVXaK8LA?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiNy4OGwo7nZQ&feat=directlink | 01:23 |
| ptl | right? | 01:23 |
| Khertan | it s not a mockup | 01:23 |
| Khertan | but a screenshots | 01:23 |
| Khertan | rights | 01:23 |
| cityLights | My N900 does a dhcp-request , but doenst accept the answer | 01:23 |
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| ptl | so can't you just look at the code for pygtkeditor and see how the programmer did it? | 01:23 |
| Khertan | i want to use the same color as the bg | 01:23 |
| Khertan | ah lol :) this is the problem ... | 01:24 |
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| Khertan | i m the dev of pygtkeditor | 01:24 |
| Khertan | :) | 01:24 |
| ptl | oh | 01:24 |
| ptl | I misunderstood your question then, sorry. And btw congrats for the excellent app | 01:24 |
| Khertan | i can set without any problem all colors except the border one | 01:24 |
| Khertan | thx | 01:25 |
| Khertan | so i m thinking that it s something not possible on maemo5 | 01:25 |
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| Khertan | so as you can see i m currently implementing theme :) | 01:25 |
| ptl | Yes, I noticed that... | 01:27 |
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| Khertan | the one you see is killingeyes.theme | 01:27 |
| Khertan | something made just for test :) | 01:28 |
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| cityLights | is there anyone here that knows a bit about udhcp? | 01:28 |
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| Khertan | i think x-fade will hate me : #9494 | 01:30 |
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| Khertan | hum no more bot ? | 01:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | bug 9494 ? | 01:31 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 Old icon is displayed instead of the new one | 01:31 |
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| Khertan | works better like that :) | 01:31 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 01:31 |
| Khertan | thx timeless_mbp | 01:32 |
| RST38h | FOUND IT | 01:35 |
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| Khertan | ? | 01:36 |
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| RST38h | I am soooooo close to fixing XChat bubbles... | 01:41 |
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| Khertan | your real language is so difficult to use ? | 01:42 |
| Khertan | :) | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xchat bubbles | 01:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head | 01:51 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm scared to install xchat updates for quite some weeks now | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, it's a bit like notifications spam. | 01:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | It just needs to send you an email and speak the highlight text to be complete. | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I hope it'll take 200MB swap to run | 01:55 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I don't get the need for the Hildon Note. | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | The boilerplate strings for the libnotify portion of the plugin just need to be trimmed so you can actually read the content. | 01:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | and having the highlights go to a chat window might be a nice option, too. | 01:58 |
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| ds3 | anyone know what package is needed for AIM support on the 900? | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, Telepathy Extras. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | (Or just the Haze portion) | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | It works mostly OK | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except the chat window style is PR1.0 | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | a catch-highlights like the catch-URL thingy - yep, been suggested ;-D | 01:59 |
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| ds3 | what group is that in? nothing like that under Networking? | 01:59 |
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| GeneralAntilles | and it sometimes has trouble migrating from connection-to-connection automatically. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, Extras-devel. | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be Networking there. | 01:59 |
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| ds3 | I have extras-devel enabled | 02:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, they may have changed the name. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | One sec. | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-extras/ | 02:01 |
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| ds3 | not via app mgr? | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Extra protocol plugins for Conversations and Contacts" | 02:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Egads that's ugly. | 02:01 |
| ds3 | ah found it under All with the new name | 02:02 |
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| C-S-B | I officially cannot get even the slightest signal out of my fm transmitter through my radio (car and personal) | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: the range at best is going to be only several meters. | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: have you tuned it to a free channel? | 02:12 |
| C-S-B | I've tuned to static, sat the phone next to the radio, nothing | 02:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders if this is a hardware, software, or user issue. | 02:13 | |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:13 |
| C-S-B | Ive tried quite a lot of channels | 02:13 |
| C-S-B | *frequencies | 02:13 |
| nidO | i'd vote for pebkac, but that might be mean of me | 02:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | nidO, awful lot of people seem to be having this issue, though. | 02:14 |
| C-S-B | i cant even hear static output | 02:14 |
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| nidO | any reproducable bugs reported about the transmitter just not working whatsoever? mine's always been flawless.. | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | C-S-B, OK, take us through the exact steps you're trying | 02:14 |
| C-S-B | ok | 02:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Including all the things you tapped on screen. | 02:14 |
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| C-S-B | goto media player, play track, hear at full volume through internal speakers | 02:15 |
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| njsf_ | re Hi all | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | click media player menu, select fm transmitter, select frequency (originally static only, but have tried a lot of others) enable transmitter | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | icon appears at the top | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | tune radio to frequency, nothing | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | click fm-boost icon | 02:16 |
| C-S-B | nothing | 02:16 |
| ds3 | anyone know if the ability to block IMs from a given user is no longer on the N900? | 02:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hrm, fm-boost. | 02:17 |
| RST38h | you mean it was there before? | 02:17 |
| nidO | the music is actually silencing on the device's own speakers, right? | 02:17 |
| C-S-B | nidO, yes | 02:17 |
| C-S-B | the moment i enable the transmitter | 02:17 |
| ds3 | yes, I can block system messages from AIM on the N800...it was a menu option | 02:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | C-S-B, can you uninstall FM Boost, restart and try again? | 02:17 |
| C-S-B | of course | 02:17 |
| nidO | is the radio using rds? | 02:18 |
| ds3 | the N900's lack of a obvious menu key is driving me nuts | 02:18 |
| C-S-B | the radio has a tuner dial, no display | 02:18 |
| nidO | so it's ancient and probably has no rds support atall? | 02:18 |
| C-S-B | yes | 02:18 |
| nidO | how accurate's the tuner dial..? | 02:19 |
| C-S-B | its a standard el cheapo | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: you have a radio with LOCAL whip/telescope antenna? you tried scanning +/11MHz around the tarhet freq? | 02:19 |
| C-S-B | it has a telescopic atenna | 02:19 |
| C-S-B | I have *slowly* moved the dial across the spectrum easily surpassing the frequency in both directions | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | +/-1 even | 02:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, key to bring up the menu or switch to the dashboard? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, we seen this yesterday | 02:20 |
| ds3 | GA: key to bring up the menu | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually these reports getting frequent | 02:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, you may be able to use something like camkeyd or proximityd to do it. | 02:21 |
| C-S-B | so guys any ideas, just uninstalled fmboost and rebooted | 02:21 |
| ds3 | GA: the more important question is - are the menus gone under the new design? | 02:21 |
| nidO | C-S-B you said it didnt work in the car either, dyou have an rds capable radio in there? | 02:21 |
| ptl | I am looking at this QT demonstration and they are running the same app on several phones | 02:21 |
| openstandards | does anyone know if anyone is working on the telepathy bug with aol and the name space problem | 02:21 |
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| ptl | I don't think this is right... I want differentiation | 02:22 |
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| ds3 | I can eventually adapt to the new way of pulling up menus as long as I know it is there | 02:22 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, car radio has rds iirc | 02:22 |
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| ptl | I want killer apps for *my platform* so people change to it | 02:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, tap the area to the right of the statusbar. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: actually I think a signal meter would be more helpful than RDS | 02:22 |
| ds3 | GA: is that the new standard? that brings up "buttons" not what I'd call menus | 02:22 |
| nidO | he's more likely to own an rds radio than a signal meter though, testing it on a radio with rds enabled will at least tell him if the device is broadcasting any signal atall | 02:23 |
| C-S-B | ill go check the transmitter again after removing fmboost | 02:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, yes. | 02:23 |
| njsf_ | openstandards: I don't know what bug you refer to but I noticed sometimes -2^31 gets assigned as port number in advanced and then AIM does not connect. 5190 would be the proper value. Is that your bug? | 02:23 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, menu buttons were enlarged for easier tapping. | 02:23 |
| ds3 | I see | 02:24 |
| ds3 | it is getting closer and closer to being android like... and I don't like the android UI :( | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, meh, lot easier to hit with the thumbs. ;) | 02:25 |
| ds3 | GA: yes but unless I am mistaken; that seems to be taking out functionality | 02:25 |
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| openstandards | njsf_, i mean the oscar protocol allows for a space in the user name however telepathy doesn't so those with spaces in the username need to use pidgin | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, the menu? | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not really | 02:25 |
| ds3 | like htf do you block messages from a given user...that was an obvious menu option on the N800 | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: old radios more likely have signal meter rather than RDS :-) | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fewer submenus, sure, but the functionality is still there. | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just easier to hit with your thumbs. | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, dunno about that | 02:26 |
| * GeneralAntilles never blocked anybody on N800. | 02:26 | |
| njsf_ | openstandards: ok, that I would not trip on :) but nice to know of the issue ) | 02:26 |
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| ds3 | GA: it isn't a person I want to block... it is the system messages that I don't care for notification... I _know_ i am logged multiple times | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yeah, that. | 02:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can it even be blocked? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: really old radios even have a nice 'magic eye' ;-D | 02:27 |
| ds3 | it worked on the N800 | 02:27 |
| ds3 | I'll find out about maemo mapper and claws tonight...both had a lot of menus | 02:27 |
| openstandards | hmmm i'm wondering if i compiled some upstream packages for telepathy would i be able to use them on my n900? | 02:28 |
| nidO | thats going back a long way though, I got the impression C-S-B's portable radio is just a real basic one with nothing but a dial :P | 02:28 |
| nidO | where with RDS in his car he can at least see if the n900 is broadcasting an AF signal | 02:28 |
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| Ukytreats | Not sure if this is the right channel so if you know of a better channel to ask this question please let me know. I wrote a python qt application which uses QtXml but when I run the application on my N810 it can't find QtXml. Question can I add QtXml to the Qt that is installed on my maemo device? | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nidO: C-S-B: I'd suggest you search for a really faint weak signal that's almost pure noise, on radio. Then find out about the freq as exactly as you can. Then tune N900 step by step all across the range and see if you hear any changes in reception of that weak signal | 02:33 |
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| Jiri | Hello | 02:35 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer just did that pretty much, no luck | 02:35 |
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| Jiri | i need to help to update my n900 | 02:35 |
| openstandards | njsf_, the bug i was on about is a simple validation problem which detects white space and renders "field cannot contain spaces" :) | 02:35 |
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| Jiri | device says "kohdesijainin muisti ei riitä"= not enough memory | 02:36 |
| Jiri | i tried to take devl and other list away but no luck | 02:37 |
| Jiri | anyideas? | 02:37 |
| nidO | rebooted it since removing devel? | 02:37 |
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| Jiri | no | 02:37 |
| nidO | reboot it | 02:37 |
| C-S-B | so any other ideas guys? | 02:37 |
| nidO | C-S-B if you cant get any signal out of it whatsoever and you cant pick up an RDS signal of any kind on the frequency on your car radio, my only suggestion would be a nokia care point with a portable radio in hand | 02:38 |
| nidO | no way I can think of to know whether thats a software fault or a physically fubar transmitter | 02:39 |
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| njsf_ | openstandards: the bug I was on about is a simple "don't save crap to a file"problem :D | 02:39 |
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| C-S-B | rds = display says n900? | 02:39 |
| nidO | could always try reflashing the device before taking it in, and have a go at using the transmitter on a totally fresh firmware with no software | 02:39 |
| C-S-B | ugh, its brand new | 02:39 |
| nidO | if the radio has an rds signal youll usually have a little "rds" symbol somewhere on the lcd, either flashing or solid | 02:40 |
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| Jiri | nidO no says same again | 02:40 |
| nidO | and if you get "n900" coming up on your radio text, thats a good thing | 02:40 |
| nidO | jiri: dh -h from xterm, whats your rootfs free space | 02:40 |
| C-S-B | nidO, i think have a digital/analogue radio to hand that has a digital tuner. | 02:41 |
| C-S-B | anyone in UK recommend a vacant freq? | 02:41 |
| nidO | i usually just go for 88.1 | 02:41 |
| Jiri | nidO just type "dh -h" to treminal? | 02:41 |
| C-S-B | nidO, cheers | 02:41 |
| nidO | there isnt much other than the odd local station right at the bottom of the spectrum | 02:41 |
| nidO | Jiri sorry, that should be "df -h" | 02:42 |
| Jiri | which one should i look up? | 02:42 |
| nidO | top one, rootfs | 02:42 |
| Jiri | rooffs 227 183 39 | 02:42 |
| nidO | is this just the latest pr1.1 update you're installing? | 02:43 |
| Jiri | avaiabl 39mn | 02:43 |
| Jiri | maemo5 3.2010.02-8 | 02:43 |
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| nidO | yep then. you need about 4mb more then, try "apt-get clean" and "apt-get autoclean" and see if it goes up | 02:44 |
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| Jiri | could not open lock file.... | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | close the application manager | 02:45 |
| nidO | close HAM first, and make sure you're root | 02:45 |
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| Jiri | to do that? | 02:45 |
| nidO | dyou have rootsh installed? | 02:45 |
| Jiri | i think so | 02:45 |
| nidO | type "root" | 02:46 |
| Jiri | root not found | 02:46 |
| nidO | install rootsh :) | 02:46 |
| Jiri | and thats done how? | 02:46 |
| nidO | you might also have an easier time just uninstalling stuff you've installed from -devel | 02:46 |
| nidO | its a utility in extras | 02:47 |
| Jiri | ok | 02:47 |
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| Jiri | how do i know thats devel softwares? | 02:47 |
| Jiri | any easy way? | 02:47 |
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| nidO | other than knowing what you installed from the -devel repo, no not really | 02:48 |
| Jiri | 4mb is quit a much | 02:48 |
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| Jiri | because most devel programs are just 100k or so | 02:48 |
| nidO | not really, that could easily be one unoptified app | 02:48 |
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| Jiri | i removed one poker software | 02:50 |
| Jiri | it gives my now 55mb | 02:50 |
| nidO | see, that was easy :) | 02:50 |
| Jiri | downloading the update | 02:50 |
| Jiri | thanks guys, yuo are the best | 02:51 |
| b-man17 | w00t!!! i just made a high score of 5277m in bounce! | 02:51 |
| b-man17 | i usally suck xD | 02:51 |
| Jiri | does anyone know is the airng working well allready in n900` | 02:51 |
| Jiri | can you really crack wlan with that? | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | aimg? | 02:52 |
| Jiri | Aircrack-ng | 02:52 |
| Jiri | sorry | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if it does promiscuous mode | 02:53 |
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| njsf_ | anybody know if iostat is available in any of the fremantle extras repos ? | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | bonnie is | 02:54 |
| njsf_ | I have my N900 peging 90% io for 15m now. suspecting mapper | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | njsf_: top or htop | 02:54 |
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| C-S-B | ok nidO, I just tuned rds radio with digital dial to 88.1, static. started music and transmitter on phone, nothing not even rds | 02:54 |
| C-S-B | nidO, tried some other stations samething | 02:55 |
| njsf_ | that is what I used to see the io boundness I want to check which process is doing itt | 02:55 |
| nidO | then id suggest reflashing (to the global firmware) and retrying it all, if it doesnt work flash back to UK and take it to a nokia care point | 02:55 |
| C-S-B | nidO, tried starting the fmradio-tool from commandline, nothing but I did get a break in the static whenever I scrolled through the shell history. | 02:56 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, googling aside, any guide on getting and flashing the global firmwarea? | 02:56 |
| C-S-B | ill lose my contacts right? | 02:56 |
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| nidO | you can take a backup of the phone via it's backup utility, thatll save contacts, sms's, settings, the installed program list to a backup file on the emmc | 02:57 |
| nidO | you can then restore again from there after flashing, but id suggest trying the transmitter before restoring anything | 02:57 |
| nidO | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware - details how to reinstall the firmware using flasher | 02:58 |
| C-S-B | is the uk fw behind the global? | 02:58 |
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| nidO | yes | 02:58 |
| nidO | nokia uk sucks | 02:58 |
| nidO | as always | 02:58 |
| openstandards | why isn't the normal alarm as good as the alarmed app..... | 02:59 |
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| Pavel | C-S-B: Is a new firmware out that can't be updated over-the-air? | 03:01 |
| C-S-B | ive no idea. | 03:02 |
| C-S-B | but If i flash to global im sure I'll be in a better situation | 03:02 |
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| Jiri | is there any software which can get phone number on facebook | 03:04 |
| Jiri | i heard about hermes but i don't know if that going to do it? | 03:04 |
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| C-S-B | nidO, am i going to get rejected when I enter my imei/serial from a uk phone when trying to download the global image? | 03:05 |
| dmj7261 | phototranslate is pretty cool | 03:05 |
| dmj7261 | has anybody tried a different speech engine than espeak? | 03:06 |
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| nidO | C-S-B no - the N900 doesn't use imei identification for firmware versions, you're free to install the global image via flasher without making any changes | 03:07 |
| C-S-B | excellent | 03:07 |
| C-S-B | open and free with a phone, who'd have thought | 03:07 |
| C-S-B | So ill want this one:http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 03:08 |
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| nidO | yeah, from the list you get presented with you want the bottom one | 03:09 |
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| nidO | "RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: anyway, you said you got FMboost installed | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: so your FW isn't exactly 'fresh' | 03:12 |
| C-S-B | true... | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I strongly recommend to try FM-TX without installing FMboost, with a freshly flashed firmware | 03:12 |
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| nidO | yar, thats basically the point of the reflash :) plus, if it still doesn't work, youll be taking the device to the nokia care point in a clean state | 03:13 |
| C-S-B | well, looks like my device needs charging, I take it the flash process doesnt provide power? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:15 |
| nidO | it requires your phone to be at like 60% power minimum as a safeguard, to be absolutely positive it isnt going to run out of power while flashing | 03:15 |
| nidO | as doing so = brick | 03:15 |
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| C-S-B | yeah, ive flashed plenty of fw before. I've done the risky low battery flash thing before. I dont need the stress with a 500 quid phone lol | 03:16 |
| Wild_Doogy | is it possible to unbrick the N900? | 03:16 |
| Wild_Doogy | or is it a JTAG project | 03:16 |
| nidO | depends on your definition of brick | 03:16 |
| C-S-B | Wild_Doogy, I reckon so, there are points behind the battery | 03:16 |
| C-S-B | anyone tested those points? must be jtag? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there were statements of guys who should know, who stated they never ever have seen a really bricked device | 03:17 |
| nidO | its really hard to brick an n900, most people's definition of "bricked" just needs a reflash to fix, but thats not really bricked tbh | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and quite usually you're _not_ flashing the NOLO bootloader, which in turn is doing the flashing magic | 03:18 |
| Robot101 | if you have a flashing station (aka jig) then it's not bricked. if you plug it into there, you can raise the appropriate line and make the OMAP boot from serial port | 03:18 |
| Robot101 | so you can feed it a new nolo over serial, and then it will flash itself over USB | 03:19 |
| Robot101 | (cold-flashing) | 03:19 |
| C-S-B | so what are the benefits of the global image over the uk variant? | 03:19 |
| nidO | youll get updates this decade | 03:19 |
| Robot101 | it doesn't need JTAG, it's a built-in UART feature | 03:19 |
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| nidO | nokia have done their usual trick of releasing uk variant firmware then forgotten it exists, and stopped updating it | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: ack | 03:19 |
| C-S-B | lol, oh well. i shouldnt have that prob once I have enough power to flash | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll never have that problem, as you won't nuke NOLO | 03:20 |
| Wild_Doogy | Robot101: thats what I figured, heck I just got a router that is unbrickable, so I would expect that a $500 piece of tech would also have many "back doors" | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Wild_Doogy: there's _always_ a backdoor - I mean, they *built* the thing without FW | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming they don't program and then solder the programmed flash chip | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL yeah | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (which is unlikely) | 03:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | highly unlikely | 03:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | Haha, I dont know if i would call JTAG a back door so much as breaking into the cellar | 03:23 |
| Wild_Doogy | lol | 03:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers some "2nd cold-flash NOLO" mentioned in flasher --help | 03:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Wild_Doogy, it's not JTAG. :) | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -2, --2nd=ARG Location of NOLO cold flasher ("2nd") image | 03:25 |
| Robot101 | it's a feature of the OMAP, one of the pins under the battery is specifically for the jig to wiggle to say "please try and boot from serial before the internal flash" | 03:25 |
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| ds3 | I am confused... what exactly does the Use internal GPS control? is that the switch to tell it to use an external (paired) Bluetooth GPS inplace of the internal one? | 03:26 |
| Robot101 | you just need to wiggle that, and then it goes "blarp" on the serial port, and you respond within some period of time and feed it a bootloader which can load more bootloader over the serial port, which is the 2nd stage nolo thing, which it then runs and brings up the serial port | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, yes. | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | er, USB port | 03:27 |
| Wild_Doogy | GeneralAntilles: Sorry, I dont know much on this subject, besides what I had to do to reflash a bricked router. | 03:27 |
| ds3 | Robot101: sure it is the serial, not USB that they wired it for? | 03:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, both USB and serial pads are there. | 03:27 |
| ds3 | GA: okay...then what's that about using cell phone tower position I am finding on t.maemo.org? | 03:27 |
| ds3 | Ohhhhh | 03:27 |
| Robot101 | ds3: pretty sure if the bootloader is dodo then it can't drive the USB | 03:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, does so by default. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: do you have any docs on the pads? | 03:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, haven't seen any yet. | 03:28 |
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| Robot101 | so you first feed in NOLO over serial then that brings up USB | 03:28 |
| ds3 | GA: so if it is disabled, it will try to correlate tower with location; failing that then it will fall back to bluetooth GPS? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, don't think it does fallback. | 03:28 |
| ds3 | GA: then how do I tell it to use BT and not the cell tower info? | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, select the BT GPS | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I think you can do if from the statusmenu while GPS is on. | 03:29 |
| ds3 | so the menu changes once I get it paired? | 03:29 |
| Wild_Doogy | cell gps uses data yes? | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Wild_Doogy: a few bytes | 03:29 |
| ds3 | I haven't tried the pairing yet... batteries low and I got a few more hours to go before I can recharge (thanks to the @#$$$@#@#%$@#$ new charge system) | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, not entirely sure, haven't really poked around much. | 03:29 |
| Wild_Doogy | ok, so I would need a data SIM to use it then | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, near a computer? :P | 03:30 |
| ds3 | GA: I don't have that microusb cable handy | 03:30 |
| Wild_Doogy | Mine is in my pocket | 03:30 |
| ds3 | I do have 2 different charger for the mini pin thing on the 770/800 | 03:30 |
| Wild_Doogy | ........ | 03:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ds3, 4-packs of CA-101s go for about $10 on amazon. | 03:30 |
| ds3 | 4 packs?! | 03:31 |
| Wild_Doogy | ditto?!?! | 03:31 |
| ds3 | I just found 1 vendor last night | 03:31 |
| ds3 | and it was $7.99 for 1 + S/H | 03:31 |
| C-S-B | urgh, have i charged enough yet? Is the n900 going to kick up a fuss if it doesnt have enough or just do it and die? | 03:31 |
| ds3 | another lost feature...tapping on the battery icon no longer gives me estimates on remaining battery life | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: lshal |grep bat | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | will tell the percentage | 03:32 |
| villager | C-S-B: it'll kick up a fuss | 03:32 |
| Wild_Doogy | I have a python script for that | 03:32 |
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| Wild_Doogy | anyone want it? | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, estimates would be even more meaningless on OMAP3 than OMAP2. | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-CA101-Connectivity-Cable/dp/B000VIT0WK | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: that's actually a annoyance - though batlife guestimates aren't worth the effort anyway | 03:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, try to find somebody to implement a new battery applet. | 03:33 |
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| ds3 | GA: I'll be happy with the raw voltage levels | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a random number generator ;-P | 03:35 |
| ds3 | a half full battery icon is meaningless to me | 03:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, well, talk to HAL, then. | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: voltage of a LiPo doesn't tell you much either | 03:35 |
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| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: if it is at 2.7 and the cut off is at 2.7... it tells me a lot! | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt cutout is at 2.7 | 03:37 |
| ds3 | GA: nevermind... I thought the -101 part was the converter | 03:37 |
| C-S-B | woot, flashing | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | ds3, ah. | 03:37 |
| Wild_Doogy | Anyone seen the new BatteryGraph? its sweet | 03:37 |
| ds3 | the battery icon is useful as the cell strength.... I want dBm's not bars | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: great! me too. File a bug | 03:39 |
| ds3 | I've seen enough of them sitting around | 03:39 |
| * openstandards loves his desktop charger for his n900 | 03:39 | |
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| openstandards | i keep a spare battery in my wallet | 03:40 |
| Wild_Doogy | openstandards: Desk charger? as in stand-that-charges of some sort? | 03:40 |
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| ds3 | the microusb charger is a 5 pin thingiee, isn't it? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: yup | 03:41 |
| openstandards | as in a standalone charger | 03:41 |
| ds3 | wonder if those microusb chargers are universal | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: though charger is uing 3 of them only | 03:41 |
| openstandards | Wild_Doogy, they are a couple of quid and use the old style nokia charger plug :) | 03:41 |
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| ds3 | is there a pinout page for the one on the N900? | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: prolly not | 03:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | Sweet | 03:42 |
| nidO | the crucial piece of info there is the desktop charger is for your battery, not the device itself | 03:42 |
| Wild_Doogy | OH..... that makes MUCH more sence | 03:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | :-D | 03:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | Adding to "The Wish List" | 03:44 |
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| Wild_Doogy | renaming list to "Must Have List" | 03:44 |
| C-S-B | fresh flash, no luck with transmitter. | 03:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer has BL-5J on his wishlist | 03:44 | |
| nidO | time to head to a care point then | 03:44 |
| openstandards | http://www.sourcingmap.com/bl5j-battery-desktop-charger-for-nokia-n900-5800-p-54878.html?currency=GBP :) | 03:44 |
| openstandards | thats what i have | 03:45 |
| openstandards | very very useful | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: you're #2 in 2 days then | 03:45 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer whats the remedy? | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | replace | 03:45 |
| C-S-B | really? | 03:46 |
| Wild_Doogy | openstandards: agreed, currently I need : Sim card,Spare battery, and that Charger | 03:46 |
| C-S-B | is that a nokia job or retailer? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: no better advice here | 03:46 |
| openstandards | Wild_Doogy, what country are you from? | 03:46 |
| nidO | if the device is under a month old, send to your retailer for a replacement | 03:46 |
| Wild_Doogy | USA | 03:46 |
| nidO | should be quicker than getting a nokia care point to deal with it | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: I'd kick retailer's ass | 03:47 |
| C-S-B | ok, I'll pop in, surely they can do a straight swap, dont really want to be without a phone... | 03:47 |
| nidO | where'd you buy it | 03:47 |
| C-S-B | carphonewarehouse | 03:48 |
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| nidO | their store should do a straight swap if it's under 28 days old then, if they offer to take it away tell em you're entitled to a new one there and then | 03:48 |
| C-S-B | its not old at all, under 28 days | 03:48 |
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| C-S-B | they wont make me flash back to UK will they? heck, they wont check will they? | 03:49 |
| Wild_Doogy | C-S-B: What died? the radio transmitter? | 03:50 |
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| nidO | it might be an idea to flash it back to UK now just to be on the safe side | 03:50 |
| nidO | but if you demonstrate it faulty to them they should replace it no questions asked | 03:50 |
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| C-S-B | i might leave it as is. they cant refuse because of that can they? plus, i can go to another store after doing the necessary flash. | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet they won't even notice | 03:52 |
| nidO | 99% chance they wont notice or care, but they might try to blame the problem on that if the guy in the store is clueless | 03:52 |
| nidO | for the sake of 5 minutes to reflash i'd switch it back to uk before taking it to them | 03:53 |
| C-S-B | ok, sure thing. | 03:53 |
| C-S-B | what a pain in the arse | 03:53 |
| C-S-B | i take it that i can scp the backup i made off and plonk it on my new unit... | 03:54 |
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| nidO | yeah, just copy that backup off the emmc to either your pc or an sd card, then you can restore it to the new one | 03:55 |
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| C-S-B | ok, ill let you know how I get on. Im sure you all care lol! | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually do | 03:59 |
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| RST38h | Microsoft on copy and paste in Windows Phone 7 Series: 'people don't do that' | 04:11 |
| Pavel | RST38h: Technically, that's true. | 04:12 |
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| ds3 | is the default home directory okay to fill up with large files? | 04:12 |
| ds3 | or does that also break updates? | 04:12 |
| Pavel | RST38h: If there is no copy-paste capability on Windows Phone 7, then people don't copy-paste on Windows Phone 7, because they cannot. | 04:12 |
| Pavel | ds3: AFAIK the big files should go in MyDocs. | 04:13 |
| ds3 | is MyDocs another partition? | 04:13 |
| ds3 | just want to know what's a good place to put my media files | 04:13 |
| Pavel | ds3: Yes. | 04:13 |
| ds3 | okay, in MyDocs it goes | 04:14 |
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| ds3 | life was easier with 2 SD slots and USB host for thumbdrives | 04:14 |
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| Wild_Doogy | DS3: on what? | 04:17 |
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| Wild_Doogy | 810? | 04:17 |
| ds3 | 800 | 04:17 |
| Wild_Doogy | ah | 04:17 |
| Wild_Doogy | USB host lack is very sad | 04:17 |
| Wild_Doogy | working on making a bluetooth-usb device | 04:17 |
| Wild_Doogy | coming along well | 04:17 |
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| ds3 | you too? | 04:19 |
| ds3 | what processor are you using for the USB/BT bridge? | 04:19 |
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| Wild_Doogy | ds3: arduino mega, 16 Khz......... | 04:21 |
| Wild_Doogy | so I definitly will need a better one for fast file transfer | 04:22 |
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| Wild_Doogy | but its a good place to start | 04:22 |
| Wild_Doogy | it also is for my robot, but that doesnt need high speed | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 16KHz definitely is a little slow | 04:24 |
| Wild_Doogy | well I know it will fail @ file transfer, its bassicaly for my robot. the robot is controlled via USB | 04:25 |
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| Wild_Doogy | (I actualy am working on removing the USB component altogether and going strait from the arduino to the 12V driver) | 04:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | but still, fun project | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | place to XTAL on foam adhesive, so you don't hear it beep :-P | 04:26 |
| Wild_Doogy | :-D | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe s/K/M/ | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually, maybe I'm wrong, but aiui there's a D+ and a D- on USB, for differential half-duplex data transfer. Differentiation between host and client (aka device) is a mere sw protocol issue. I.E. I think you should be able to "talk host" via a working USB interface, no matter if the rest of the PHY is configured for hostmode or for device mode | 04:34 |
| Wild_Doogy | yeah, I looked into that, and there is an app in extras devel that does that? I think | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, I'm not sure it doesn anything at all, as it seems the kernel drivers for USB hostmode are missing | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a dead heritage from N810 it seems | 04:38 |
| Wild_Doogy | oh | 04:38 |
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| njsf_ | I believe one of the issues may be expectation of most host-client devices of expectiing the charge current | 04:41 |
| njsf_ | which the N900 port will not deliver | 04:41 |
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| Wild_Doogy | I say a hack that included adding the 5V though a modded connector | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf_: which in turn isn't a fixed fact yet | 04:42 |
| cehteh | hey you can connect 2 n900 over usb .. one charging the other, pepetuum mobile! | 04:43 |
| Wild_Doogy | on the one had, its sad that the N900 doesnt have the USB host, on the other its great that these hacks exist, and are possible | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | njsf_: but yes, most devices would expect VBUS | 04:43 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i wonder if bme has some controls about the usb power input .. | 04:44 |
| Wild_Doogy | cehteh: as in they both charge each other? and you never run out of power? Great idea!!! | 04:44 |
| cehteh | :) | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | according to the best schematics crap we normal mortals got, TWL4030 USB VBUS chargepump is connected to the USB receptacle | 04:44 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yeah no star-trek device you cant route power from the holodeck to the deflector shields, sorry | 04:46 |
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| Wild_Doogy | awww | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | PHY switch to hostmode mainly consists of swapping 2 15K pulldowns for one pullup | 04:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | DARNIT! | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 04:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | Darnit @ the not-like-startrek | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | tests on other devices shown that most devices aren't so picky about that pullup/down issue | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/other devices/OM Frerunner/ | 04:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: tests on OM Frerunner shown that most devices aren't so picky about that pullup/down issue | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | so even if we might fail to switch PHY chip to hostmode, we still may "talk" hostmode protocol, and we even might get +5V from GAIA aka TWL4030 | 04:50 |
| Wild_Doogy | so to a casual glance, (such as say a keyboard or something non picky) it might work | 04:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | ? | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is proven good enough for quite a number of usb devices, like keyboards, hubs, usb-sticks (some of them all) | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | sweet | 04:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | I need to learn mor :-\ | 04:51 |
| Wild_Doogy | this stuff is facinating, and my homework is not.......... | 04:51 |
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| njsf_ | Wild_Doogy: Ha the universal study constant, almost everything else is more interesting :D | 04:53 |
| Wild_Doogy | Also like the work constant, Everything is fun to someone, except the people that do it for a livving | 04:54 |
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| Wild_Doogy | well, wether or not my homework is done, its time for bed. | 05:00 |
| Wild_Doogy | TTYL | 05:00 |
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| njsf_ | ttyl | 05:02 |
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| luke-jr | seen NanoNote? :p | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | claims to be 100% open-- software to hardware | 05:31 |
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| luke-jr | clamshell handheld | 05:31 |
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| cehteh | scroll up, we talked about it | 05:46 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | if it had GSM, it might work as an X thinclient XD | 05:52 |
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| cehteh | if it had a decent display :P | 06:12 |
| cehteh | .. and enough ram | 06:12 |
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| dmj726_n900 | hey cehteh | 06:24 |
| cehteh | hi bay... going to bed | 06:25 |
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| dmj726_n900 | ok | 06:27 |
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| silverbullet | hih | 06:31 |
| silverbullet | .. | 06:32 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Is it just me or did M$ just make winmo like an iphone but without the 100000 apps. | 06:40 |
| silverbullet | m$ always successfully does only that | 06:40 |
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| silverbullet | their interview process is like "how much can u copy how fast" | 06:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | they basically broke the only interesting advantages they had | 06:41 |
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| dmj726_n900 | incidentally these are identical to the things I like best about maemo | 06:49 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 06:51 | |
| * timeless_mbp looks for a finn | 06:51 | |
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| timeless_mbp | :( | 06:55 |
| timeless_mbp | no finns awake? | 06:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | how about someone who speaks English and can help me read a form? | 07:00 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 07:01 | |
| * timeless_mbp hates these forms | 07:02 | |
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| pupnik | thank me for not youtubing how unresponsive thid thing is | 07:05 |
| pupnik | s/thid/this/ | 07:06 |
| infobot | pupnik meant: thank me for not youtubing how unresponsive this thing is | 07:06 |
| bleeter | Nokia Australia are amazing: 'N900's for sale locally, we won't tell you where or for how much. You'll just have to ring every authorised retail shop in the country to find out' | 07:08 |
| bleeter | (to paraphrase http://bit.ly/aSRpve ) | 07:08 |
| timeless_mbp | bleeter: nice | 07:10 |
| * timeless_mbp cries | 07:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | help? | 07:11 |
| pupnik | how can i | 07:11 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to figure out how to get an appointment for a visa renewal | 07:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and which kind of visa i'm eligible for | 07:12 |
| pupnik | seems quite ill, such stuff | 07:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ill? | 07:13 |
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| pupnik | some jerks deciding where you can schlepp your meat. making you dance | 07:14 |
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| bleeter | timeless_mbp: visa for where? | 07:15 |
| timeless_mbp | finland | 07:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the forms and stuff are totally confusing | 07:16 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/home.nsf/pages/B63A2851F718FAFBC2256EF40033A865?opendocument | 07:16 |
| timeless_mbp | > Foreigners who have been issued with a residence permit with status A and who have entered Finland by 30 April 2004 may be issued with a permanent residence permit after a continuous residence of two years instead of four years. | 07:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.migri.fi/download.asp?id=JATKO%5FP%5FPEY%5FEn%5Fpdf;1804;{5CA99B13-E523-4BB9-801E-858F73C71C17} is i think the form related to the relevant document | 07:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and it seems to say i have to have been a resident for 4 years | 07:17 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been a resident for just under 4 years, i had a 1 year visa, and got a 3 year visa, which will expire shortly | 07:18 |
| timeless_mbp | but it will obviously expire before i've been a resident for 4 whole years... | 07:18 |
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| pupnik | i suffered through commodore basic (by bill), dos 1.0 and everything that followed | 07:35 |
| pupnik | i saw the abomination from israel called the 8088 | 07:36 |
| pupnik | some wounds never heal | 07:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | tekojo: halp? :( | 07:41 |
| tekojo | timeless_mbp what's up? | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: there's a phone hotline mentioned in the metro trains regarding help with the systems of finland i think? | 07:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i;m trying to navigate finnish immigration | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | (saw some commercials) | 07:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't use metro often | 07:42 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm walking distance to things | 07:43 |
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| pupnik | take a finn with you and explain what yoi want | 07:47 |
| pupnik | "i work for xyz. please fix things so i can do that" | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still kinda weirded out that polish immigration is saner than danish | 07:49 |
| pupnik | with the emphasis that it is their shit that is broken | 07:49 |
| TigerTael | Well I work for ABC! | 07:50 |
| timeless_mbp | the TV station or the Gas station? | 07:52 |
| TigerTael | Both! | 07:54 |
| TigerTael | Saves money on the uniform/stationary. | 07:54 |
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| tekojo | Stskeeps the thing is that there is a changeover period for people moving from the 'new' EU countries to the 'old' ones | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know | 08:02 |
| tekojo | that makes the rules in the old countries a mess | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | i ran into it severely with my wife for a bit, the horror ended may last year | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | but even for the changeover, the management of the work permits were unworthy of treating humans to it :) | 08:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morn corsac | 08:52 |
| Corsac | heya | 08:53 |
| Khertan | Morning all ! | 08:53 |
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| LiraNuna | how likely it would be to get chromuim on the N900? | 08:56 |
| LiraNuna | I know V8 supports ARM | 08:56 |
| LiraNuna | chromium uses webkit/GTK | 08:57 |
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| Khertan | i think it s just require a dev that have interest in it | 08:57 |
| LiraNuna | is the maemo SDK working on 64bit yet | 08:58 |
| LiraNuna | or do I need to compile my own toolchain | 08:58 |
| TigerTael | I think it's working. | 08:59 |
| TigerTael | Although I'm not very sure, at all. | 08:59 |
| LiraNuna | I compiled my own toolchain for the N810 | 08:59 |
| LiraNuna | GCC 4.4 instead of maemo sdk's 3.4 :/ | 08:59 |
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| LiraNuna | is maemo.org down? | 09:02 |
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| thresh | LiraNuna: not for me at leasts | 09:06 |
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| mortal | will the maemo 5 be ported to n800? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | Mer^2 is probably the closest we'll get | 09:11 |
| silverbullet | umm, i am writing code in madde, in windows 7 .. . i included glib.h in my source file and "mad make" says it cant find glib.h | 09:12 |
| mortal | thanks | 09:12 |
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| infobot | I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power | 09:15 |
| silverbullet | ?? | 09:15 |
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| mortal | how easy is it to brick an n800 | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | fairly hard, if you have the bootloader fixes and avoid touching the bootloader code | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, for the gnubies in here.. GPLv2 linking with closed libraries, good/bad? | 09:43 |
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| dmj726_n900 | you mean linking to or from closed libraries? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's say i have opengl libraries, they're naturally closed | 09:47 |
| lbt | and then distributing the resultant binaries = bad | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | i have my gpl'ed code and i link against them | 09:47 |
| TigerTael | flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 09:47 |
| TigerTael | what now? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: install static version | 09:47 |
| TigerTael | mmm? | 09:48 |
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| dmj726_n900 | don't link to gpl in closed code | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes | 09:48 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, I don't understand... | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: flasher-3.5-static | 09:48 |
| TigerTael | oh, where can I find that? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | same place | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: i was talking about my app linking to a closed lib | 09:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | gpl code can i think link *to* closed code | 09:48 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, I don't see it. | 09:48 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: are the headers open? | 09:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: another good question, i was just pondering in general | 09:49 |
| dmj726_n900 | though that would have drawbacks from a technical standpoint if not legal | 09:49 |
| TigerTael | maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz <=- this? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: possibly | 09:49 |
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| lbt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Linking_and_derived_works | 09:49 |
| Mikho | Has anyone had problems with localisation breaking down in N900? Every text string in my device's UI is something like "wdgt_va_veek", "wdgt_va_24h_time" etc | 09:50 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, unpacked, same problem. | 09:50 |
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| lbt | if your GPL app wors on a platform | 09:50 |
| lbt | and then you add closed libraries and the GPL app isn't modified | 09:50 |
| lbt | but it works faster | 09:51 |
| Mikho | my N900 ran out of battery, I connected it to my pc with usb an turned back on, and there it is | 09:51 |
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| lbt | and the closed libs (GL) aren't derived from the gpl app but are a spec implementation | 09:52 |
| lbt | then that sounds fine | 09:52 |
| Mikho | In the settings, my language has turned into "Dansk (Danmark)" and region into "Arabic (Bahran)", and I can't change them | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | Mikho: that really sounds like two kinds of hell.. maybe your /home/user got screwed up? | 09:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | the foss app can link to the closed app, but the otherway is bad | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | i was a bit confused since i see those connections quite often in maemo | 09:53 |
| Mikho | /home/user is there alright | 09:53 |
| Mikho | I'm not sure how to google for this problem | 09:54 |
| timeless_mbp | apt-get install strace | 09:57 |
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| Mikho | in the "cpal_ti_language_and_regional_title" application, I set the "cpal_fi_pr_device_language" into "English (UK)", then press the "wdgtbdsave" button | 10:00 |
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| Mikho | it asks "cpal_nc_changing_language" from me, to which I answer by pressing the "wdgtbdyes" button, upon which the device reboots | 10:01 |
| Mikho | but nothing has changed | 10:01 |
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| Mikho | anyone have any idea what I could try to fix it? I'm kinda stumped | 10:02 |
| timeless_mbp | Mikho: did you install strace? | 10:02 |
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| TigerTael | Blah... | 10:03 |
| Mikho | package strace is not available, but is referred to by another package | 10:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it's probably in extras-devel or tools | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | sudo gainroot | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | vi /etc/osso-af-init/locale | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | change whatever | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | :wq | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | reboot | 10:04 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd recommend en_US | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | (along w/ my own translation) | 10:05 |
| Mikho | everything is en_GB | 10:05 |
| timeless_mbp | did you get an upgrade to 1.2 or something similarly stupid? | 10:05 |
| Mikho | I didn't do anything | 10:06 |
| Mikho | my n900 just ran out of battery | 10:06 |
| Mikho | then I connected it into my pc and turned back on | 10:06 |
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| Mikho | boom | 10:06 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i've sent you a link and instructions | 10:07 |
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| Shrik3 | "boom" as in explosion or "boom" as in broken? | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if it "fixes" your problem, then i can walk you through further analysis | 10:07 |
| timeless_mbp | more like "tada, i got rid of all your strings, you didn't need them anyway, they sucked, it was for your own good" | 10:07 |
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| TigerTael | Okay, well, I used the virtual image to flash my phone... | 10:12 |
| TigerTael | X86_64 is definitely a headache. | 10:13 |
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| TigerTael | For the SDK anyway. | 10:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i need a nokian to help me | 10:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the nokia intranet is apparently incompatible with my n900 | 10:17 |
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| Stskeeps | requires internet explorer 4? ;) | 10:21 |
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| syncccc | hi anyone knows a sync mehtod using php? | 10:23 |
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| * noobmonk3y winges..... hurry up autobuilder :D | 10:31 | |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: What are you building? | 10:32 |
| noobmonk3y | naaa, its the package promotion from testing to maemo-downloads | 10:32 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 10:32 |
| noobmonk3y | no idea if it is auto or not | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Ah, well there is no builder involved there. | 10:33 |
| noobmonk3y | darn!! - now who do i blame :D :D :D | 10:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | (i am joking, just in case.... lol) | 10:33 |
| X-Fade | You just see the 30 minute cache in the network. And the fact that the importer runs twice per hour. | 10:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahaaaaa | 10:33 |
| noobmonk3y | ok that makes sense | 10:34 |
| noobmonk3y | also wasnt sure when the 10 day effect hits.... | 10:34 |
| noobmonk3y | Package is in testingSystem2010-03-08 11:45 UTC Or..... | 10:34 |
| noobmonk3y | build time - 2010-03-08 08:19 UTC | 10:34 |
| noobmonk3y | so i'd be expecting it with 22 thumbs up to go through at some point today? | 10:35 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Promotion + 10 days of course. | 10:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhh ok :D | 10:35 |
| mece | when was it promoted? | 10:35 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: But you will receive an email. | 10:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | mece - promoted to extras testing on 2010-03-08 11:45 | 10:35 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo | 10:36 |
| noobmonk3y | email :D | 10:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | thanks X-Fade | 10:36 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 10:36 |
| noobmonk3y | lol - just checked my phone bill | 10:37 |
| nidO | it should be a given, but do confirm at least 3 of the thumbs ups are in the testing squad :p | 10:37 |
| fcrozat | oh boy, now we are starting to see apps compiled with qt 4.7 in extras-devel :( | 10:37 |
| noobmonk3y | Available at the start of this month | 10:37 |
| noobmonk3y | 600 minutes | 10:37 |
| noobmonk3y | nid0 - not sure, but i think they are | 10:38 |
| noobmonk3y | used minutes - 5 minutes 47 seconds | 10:38 |
| X-Fade | fcrozat: Only in the fremantle-1.2 repo. | 10:38 |
| fcrozat | X-Fade: in the default extras-devel | 10:38 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo is there? | 10:38 |
| fcrozat | I just checked this morning | 10:38 |
| noobmonk3y | intttttruiging | 10:38 |
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| X-Fade | fcrozat: Well, yes extras-devel is expected to be unstable anyway ;) | 10:38 |
| hrw | morning | 10:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | morning hrw | 10:39 |
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| mece | aaw damn | 10:41 |
| mece | samba packages appear borked | 10:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | someone wanna tell me how to get a bus from nokia to nokia house? :) | 10:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs @bug 5551 | 10:46 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5551 stage.maemo.org's certificate expired | 10:46 |
| timeless_mbp | the cert only expired half a year ago | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought stage was dead | 10:47 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Not supported anymore. | 10:47 |
| timeless_mbp | well, remove the ssl configuration! | 10:47 |
| * timeless_mbp is kinda surprised by https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552157 | 10:47 | |
| povbot | Bug 552157: was not found. | 10:47 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks dumbbot | 10:47 | |
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| timeless_mbp | the ovi team actually indicated where they claim to do dev work for a product | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | that seems to be information disclosure :) | 10:48 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.hel.fi/wps/portal/HKL_en/?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/HKL/en/Etusivu | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | the link to Journey Planner took me to a Finnish page | 10:49 |
| timeless_mbp | … good job | 10:49 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:56 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:58 |
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| Appiah | In bugs.maemo.org , who can get the "canconfirm" permission? | 11:09 |
| X-Fade | Appiah: Proven community members, I guess. | 11:09 |
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| Appiah | proven? | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | Appiah: People who have shown that they know what they are talking about and have been around for a while? | 11:10 |
| Appiah | On the bugzilla only | 11:10 |
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| Appiah | or is that across talk,garage and all that | 11:11 |
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| X-Fade | Appiah: Mostly bugzilla as that makes most sense. But a look at someone's karma page usually gives an impression. | 11:13 |
| Appiah | I see | 11:13 |
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| X-Fade | No real strict rules afaik. Just do your thing and earn your stripes ;) | 11:13 |
| Appiah | Well till then I guess I'll just vote for the bugs and type a message saying that I can confirm/get the same problem | 11:13 |
| Appiah | :) | 11:13 |
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| nidO | thats helpful as well, afaik a bug only needs 3 votes to be confirmed anyway | 11:14 |
| X-Fade | People confirming a bug by reproducing is always useful. | 11:14 |
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| lcuk | people following up with a patch where possible is not frowned upon either :D | 11:17 |
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| mece | Appiah, don't write a message unless you have something to add. A "me too" is not needed, as the vote itself says that. | 11:18 |
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| mavhc | what is useful is a narrower definition of the bug, cases where it does/doesn't happen | 11:20 |
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| Appiah | mece ofcourse I didnt just write "me too" I had something to add :D | 11:34 |
| Appiah | just added some info about having the same problem on different version | 11:35 |
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| edheldil | In cases where the first comment is developer stating 'works for me' the me-toos are important a lot | 11:47 |
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| * noobmonk3y has an ear ache :( | 11:53 | |
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| TigerTael | Stop sticking the stylus in your ear. | 11:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ~juggle Arif_ | 11:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 11:53 |
| noobmonk3y | Tiger..... you figured it out | 11:53 |
| TigerTael | I hate earaches. ;/ | 11:53 |
| noobmonk3y | i don't get the offten, this one is odd, only hurts with pressure it seems, so if i dont touch my ear, it's kinda ok | 11:54 |
| noobmonk3y | them often* | 11:54 |
| TigerTael | Need some anti-bacterial/anaesthetic stuff. | 11:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah :( | 11:55 |
| noobmonk3y | you woulda thought, working for the health service i should be able to find some somewhere lol | 11:55 |
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| nidO | sounds more like you should just stop touching your ear. | 11:58 |
| MiXu- | I agree =) | 11:59 |
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| supervacuo | Hi all, was wondering if there was any documentation on entering tasks in pimlico "tasks" — I'm using it on GNOME and trying to find an easier way of setting a priority and due date than adding a task->changing properties->save, if there is on | 12:04 |
| supervacuo | e | 12:04 |
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| Arif_ | :O | 12:29 |
| Arif_ | I don't like being juggled at 10 in the morning :( | 12:29 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 12:32 |
| noobmonk3y | prefer it at 9 in the morning? | 12:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | supertramp: sorry, no idea | 12:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh wrong super, i meant supervacuo | 12:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | omg it's hard being me, lol | 12:32 |
| noobmonk3y | i wonder how clever infobot is? lol | 12:33 |
| noobmonk3y | ~What is the meaning of life? | 12:33 |
| infobot | I think you lost me on that one, noobmonk3y | 12:33 |
| supervacuo | noobmonk3y: No probs, thanks for replying. Any thoughts on where else I could ask? | 12:33 |
| noobmonk3y | meh - too early for info | 12:33 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, infobot is god | 12:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~Infobot, are you god? | 12:34 |
| lcuk | see, just like god - the strong silent type | 12:34 |
| noobmonk3y | lol good point | 12:35 |
| noobmonk3y | supervacuo: Hmmmmmmm can only see code around, no guides | 12:35 |
| noobmonk3y | but lcuk is infobot's love child, he may be able to help :D | 12:35 |
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| supervacuo | noobmonk3y: Well, off I go to read the source then.... | 12:35 |
| noobmonk3y | supervacuo: http://pimlico-project.org/tasks.html ... meh, pity they haven't got a forum etc | 12:36 |
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| * noobmonk3y prods the healthcheck app... not long to goooooooooooooo wohooooooooo | 12:37 | |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: I started on "Pull my finger" so far, got a picture of a hand, when you press it, it farts... need to learn how to drag it, how to increase volume when dragged and how to snap it back :D | 12:38 |
| MiXu- | lol | 12:38 |
| * noobmonk3y smiles | 12:39 | |
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| Appiah | On the N900 is there no way to tell how long a recent call was? | 12:39 |
| Appiah | I can only find the total timers | 12:39 |
| noobmonk3y | There is an advanced call logger in one of the repo's | 12:40 |
| nidO | extended call log app | 12:40 |
| nidO | will help there | 12:40 |
| Appiah | I see | 12:40 |
| * noobmonk3y thanks nidO | 12:40 | |
| Appiah | think that should be included >_> | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | not as good as a karma thank, but none the less, a thank :D | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | included in what? - maemo? | 12:40 |
| noobmonk3y | meh - an app is an app, | 12:41 |
| nidO | just karmathank a random post of mine imo!:D | 12:41 |
| TigerTael | hehehe | 12:42 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, this is an interesting concept application | 12:42 |
| Appiah | the call information | 12:42 |
| lcuk | could you do a chorus by pulling multiple fingers? | 12:42 |
| Appiah | been kind of stanard for all old cell phones I've used | 12:43 |
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| syncmlll | anyone knows a source code for sync php-symbian-maemo | 12:44 |
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| MiXu- | syncmlll: I don't understand what you're asking. What does php have to do with syncing? | 12:45 |
| syncmlll | i want to programming a new notes and sync this notes with a own php aplication | 12:45 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo a chorus | 12:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ok, will get one finger working first........ | 12:46 |
| noobmonk3y | no idea ig gstreamer can play more then one file at a time? | 12:46 |
| Appiah | Extended call log does not seam to include this information | 12:46 |
| noobmonk3y | if* | 12:46 |
| Appiah | I'll look around | 12:46 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk: could do with some liq - n900 linking to create the chorus :D hehe | 12:49 |
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| cityLights | hi all, when I try to connect to a home "router" I see the N900 asks for an address, then the dhcp server responds, but the N900 keeps asking for an address | 12:50 |
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| cityLights | how may I debug the udhcp? | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i keep wondering how to use qwidgets for liq* :) | 12:51 |
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| Appiah | cityLights: tcpdump | 12:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D lol.... gonna work on a devel version off it in a few weeks will chuck the code across to you when it's working :D | 12:52 |
| rmrfchik | hm, how to add USB networking to connman? | 12:52 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, :) in your own time, play in the forums tho, fart apps are more than welcome lol | 13:02 |
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| FIQ | can i without problems remove everything in /var/cache/apt/archives? | 13:03 |
| nidO | what the n900 needs for mass-market adoption is more porn apps more desperately than fart apps imo! | 13:03 |
| nidO | get cracking noobmonk3y! | 13:03 |
| FIQ | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 13:03 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: apt-get clean is the safe way. | 13:03 |
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| lcuk | nidO, porn apps are more than catered for by a fully featured flash friendly browser | 13:03 |
| FIQ | i did that | 13:03 |
| FIQ | still fails | 13:04 |
| rmrfchik | ok, I have dummy network in connman (and, sure, usbnet is working) | 13:04 |
| rmrfchik | but there is no way to setup proxy | 13:04 |
| noobmonk3y | lol nidO - 1 app at a time.... people need fart apps to releive themselves while there are no porn apps....... | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: Then your rootfs is just not large enough ;) | 13:04 |
| FIQ | openarena failed to install | 13:04 |
| nidO | actually a lot of porn sites are kinda cumbersome to browse on the phone, needs a dedicated app! | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: Use Application Manager. | 13:04 |
| rmrfchik | because dummy network acts like WiFi :( | 13:04 |
| FIQ | ok | 13:04 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: apt-get downloads on the root partition. AM on the user one. | 13:04 |
| FIQ | ah | 13:05 |
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| X-Fade | You can also just link it to somewhere else of course. | 13:05 |
| FIQ | well, then openarena would fail anyway | 13:05 |
| FIQ | but ehm | 13:05 |
| lcuk | nidO, you do the testing then | 13:05 |
| tybollt | nidO: it is my definite belief that what n900 needs is more fart-pr0n apps! | 13:05 |
| lcuk | im too busy | 13:06 |
| FIQ | as package manager can handle it, the terminal also should be able to do it? | 13:06 |
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| nidO | sure, you write the app and I have plenty of free time to test it :D | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | FIQ: Like I said, if you change the settings or create a link, sure. | 13:06 |
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| tybollt | nidO: :D | 13:06 |
| Arif_ | mm | 13:07 |
| Arif_ | breakfast | 13:07 |
| rEv9 | *lunch* | 13:08 |
| Wolfie | soon home! | 13:08 |
| Arif_ | soon uni! | 13:09 |
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| Arif_ | well | 13:09 |
| Arif_ | I leave at 13:40 | 13:09 |
| Arif_ | :D | 13:09 |
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| nidO | student life's hard eh. | 13:10 |
| Arif_ | yea | 13:10 |
| Arif_ | :) | 13:10 |
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| nidO | i started work at 8:30 this morning :( | 13:10 |
| nidO | meant getting up at 8:25, so unreasonable. | 13:10 |
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| Arif_ | you work at home? | 13:11 |
| nidO | yeah | 13:11 |
| Arif_ | oo | 13:11 |
| Arif_ | tea whenever you want! | 13:11 |
| nidO | aka never, but plenty of coffee! | 13:11 |
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| nidO | except im out of milk :< | 13:11 |
| Arif_ | mh | 13:12 |
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| Arif_ | I prefer Turkish tea over anything | 13:12 |
| Arif_ | :D | 13:12 |
| encompass | Is there and how do I install the rsvg package? I am trying to run a python gtk program and am trying to fill all the requirements :D | 13:12 |
| * Arif_ >>MediaPlayer Classic<< [South.Park.S14E01.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION.mkv] - [03:14 / 21:45] - [559.1MB (~438.71KB/s) - n/a - N/A] | 13:12 | |
| nidO | no spoilers, watching that soon | 13:13 |
| Arif_ | it's drawn! | 13:13 |
| Arif_ | and there's beeps in it :O | 13:13 |
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| haltdef | craptv | 13:14 |
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| haltdef | I've noticed comedy cntral have some of the worst comedies heh | 13:14 |
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| haltdef | +e | 13:15 |
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| Arif_ | Comedy Central airs something else than SouthPark? | 13:15 |
| haltdef | unfortunately | 13:15 |
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| encompass | I found the program in the n900 with apt-cache search | 13:15 |
| * haltdef tries a new show | 13:15 | |
| w00t | haltdef: eye of the storm: all the funny stuff happens away from the center | 13:15 |
| w00t | ;) | 13:15 |
| encompass | but how do I install the program from there? | 13:15 |
| Tuxprobe | is there a developer maemo channel perhaps? | 13:15 |
| haltdef | wut | 13:15 |
| encompass | rsvg is what I am wanted to get, prolly with a buch of other python gtk stuff | 13:16 |
| w00t | Tuxprobe: here, or #maemo-devel - but the latter is a bit more quiet | 13:16 |
| Arif_ | we don't have Comedy Central | 13:16 |
| Arif_ | :( | 13:16 |
| w00t | Tuxprobe: #qt-maemo might be relevant too | 13:16 |
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| Tuxprobe | k. im looking for help with setting up my configure.ac | 13:16 |
| Tuxprobe | it does not recognize the app.desktop nor com.nokia.app.service files | 13:17 |
| Tuxprobe | therefore they're not packaged in | 13:17 |
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| * w00t isn't any good with that, unfortunately | 13:19 | |
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| * noobmonk3y is intruiged...... | 13:19 | |
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| noobmonk3y | qt 4.7 is extras... so i should be able to start developing 4.7 apps? | 13:19 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Qt4.7 will never be in Extras. | 13:20 |
| noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/python2.5-qt4/ ? | 13:20 |
| noobmonk3y | or is that just a demo? | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | You read 2 different things ;) | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | The python bindings are version 4.7 | 13:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh - no change there then | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | That is not for Qt4.7 | 13:21 |
| noobmonk3y | gotcha :D | 13:21 |
| noobmonk3y | that makes sense | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, all experimental Qt versions will be locked into extras-devel. | 13:22 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | And have a different name (qt4-maemo5) | 13:22 |
| X-Fade | Once they get integrated in a release their name changes to plain qt4. | 13:22 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh cheers X-Fade | 13:23 |
| burchr | qt4.7 test packages are available, noobmonk3y | 13:23 |
| noobmonk3y | i will go and investigate :D | 13:23 |
| burchr | I don't think they're in extras(-*) yet, but they exist | 13:23 |
| * burchr finds a link | 13:23 | |
| noobmonk3y | ooOOooo | 13:23 |
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| burchr | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/03/17/experimental-qt-47-packages-for-the-n900/ | 13:23 |
| X-Fade | Yes, but they will come to extras-devel after PR1.2 release. | 13:23 |
| burchr | X-Fade: of course, but if he wants to experiment.. | 13:24 |
| X-Fade | burchr: Yeah, always fun :) | 13:24 |
| lcuk | can we wait to push the 4.7 stuff until the 4.6 is out :p | 13:24 |
| burchr | lcuk: of course not | 13:24 |
| encompass | is there python rsvg wrappers for n900? | 13:24 |
| burchr | (technically, 4.6 *is* out, maemo is just slow there :P) | 13:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | hehehe | 13:26 |
| encompass | I suppose PIL as well | 13:26 |
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| nidO | hm | 13:31 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 13:31 |
| nidO | phototranslator in -devel now, that's one damn handy looking app | 13:31 |
| Arif_ | south park was | 13:31 |
| Arif_ | interesting | 13:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | does look very impressive nidO | 13:33 |
| Arif_ | phototranslate? | 13:34 |
| nidO | yep | 13:34 |
| Arif_ | does it OCR and send to google? :P | 13:34 |
| nidO | nope | 13:34 |
| nidO | it ocr's and uses internal language packs | 13:34 |
| Arif_ | oo | 13:34 |
| Arif_ | I should try it out | 13:34 |
| Arif_ | I needed an OCR program.. | 13:34 |
| nidO | translations are probably not as good as google would manage but the aim seems to be mainly for when you're abroad and want to know what signs etc mean | 13:35 |
| noobmonk3y | its reasonably accurate give or take a few simple issues - very very impressed | 13:35 |
| nidO | so it needs to do translations locally rather than stinging for roaming charges | 13:35 |
| phellarv | Hmm - Anyone remember where the config file for which sounds is available for messages/emails/im (Conversations) is? | 13:35 |
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| rmrfchik | where is gconf directory? | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | var/lib/gconf | 13:43 |
| rmrfchik | thanks | 13:44 |
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| openstandards | hi does anyone know to get around the headphones not being detected bug? | 13:45 |
| phellarv | Hmm - Anyone remember where the config file for which sounds is available for messages/emails/im (Conversations) is? | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mikho: timeless: (locale) this sounds pretty much similar to the issue I got on N810 and asked timeless how to cure it several times | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fi-tana-home, fi-tana-home-thumbnail, rather than a simple "Home" icon | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (actual names may differ, got it from my cloudy memory) | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: afaik that's a hw issue | 13:50 |
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| openstandards | DocScrutinizer, i've been reading a thread that suggests its a software issue | 13:51 |
| ccooke | Morning, all | 13:51 |
| openstandards | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=559272 DocScrutinizer | 13:52 |
| noobmonk3y | mornin | 13:52 |
| openstandards | DocScrutinizer, also its very flakey like it detects it then sometimes it doesn't | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw issue | 13:54 |
| openstandards | so my 3 week n900 is messed up already? | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably has been from very minute of birth | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | openstandards: Reflash. If that doesn't work, send it to service. | 13:55 |
| openstandards | thats shite considering its one of the most expensive phones on the market | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | And don't install everything you find from extras-devel ;) | 13:55 |
| MiXu- | openstandards: All devices have their flaws | 13:56 |
| MiXu- | That's why there's the warranty. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: a Toyota is much more expensive ;-P | 13:56 |
| openstandards | yeah but this is a major flaw | 13:56 |
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| MiXu- | openstandards: Send it to service. It's free. | 13:57 |
| openstandards | i've taken out insurance anyway | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | mornin ccooke | 13:57 |
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| openstandards | ok i gotta go wedding time cyas all and thanks for the help | 13:59 |
| * noobmonk3y just promoted healthcheck... again....again... lol | 13:59 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: there've been older threads in tmo regarding the issue | 13:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: you might want to find those | 14:00 |
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| openstandards | ahhh is it relating to the socket of the n900? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:01 |
| openstandards | damn | 14:01 |
| silferme | is it possible to run kismet with maemo? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | also there's a ticket on trac | 14:01 |
| openstandards | silferme, i believe its being worked on | 14:01 |
| ptl | is there any place on wiki.maemo.org with tips for improving the performance of the N900? Couldn't find it | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6360 | 14:02 |
| povbot | Bug 6360: Headset problems | 14:02 |
| openstandards | silferme, http://www.neopwn.com/ will be including it when its ready | 14:02 |
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| ptl | btw | 14:06 |
| ptl | no speech2text for the N900? | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | wow 5,031,846 downloads in maemo5........ | 14:06 |
| noobmonk3y | erm, there is espeak isnt there? dont know much about it | 14:07 |
| noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/espeak/ | 14:07 |
| noobmonk3y | oh otehr way round | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry | 14:08 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: anyway you *really* should try with another headset - by any means. Go to a shop and tell them you want to test an new one before buying. Odds are your headset is borked | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially since you stated it works with a 3-pole jack | 14:09 |
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| Mikho | DocScrutinizer, how did you manage to repair the locale? We couldn't find a solution | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: see, N900 detects for resistance from mic (3rd contact) to ground (4th contact) to tell apart standard 3pole cables/headphones, headsets with mic, and AV-cable that came with your N900 | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mikho: I didn't :-( | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless had a lot of good advice which all didn't help | 14:12 |
| ptl | my nokia headset is lost | 14:13 |
| ptl | I lost it somewhere around my house | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luckily I seen that shit only on home icon in taskswitcher, and on "loading app" notifier. And now I mostly retired my N810 ;-P | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl: get a new one, they are 5 bucks at random all-you-get-from-china stores | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | chances are you get a better one than the Nokia original, for 7 bucks ;-P | 14:16 |
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| Funnyface | maemo forums down? :\ | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | just refreshed, seems ok | 14:18 |
| noobmonk3y | but it is a yoyo lol | 14:18 |
| Funnyface | can't seem to load it here :P | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't respond for me. | 14:19 |
| noobmonk3y | doh - next refresh failed | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. | 14:19 |
| noobmonk3y | yoyo.meamo.org i say | 14:19 |
| noobmonk3y | lol - healthcheck promotion killed maemo... not suprising really ;) | 14:20 |
| nidO | it seems to be becoming almost daily now :< | 14:20 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :( | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | 770 farm needs to recharge batteries ;-P | 14:20 |
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| xt | Does anyeone have the commands for sending jabber-messages via command line or script ? | 14:21 |
| Funnyface | ah there we go, working now | 14:21 |
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| thresh | OHAI | 14:21 |
| X-Fade | Only 1100 people reading now ;) | 14:21 |
| thresh | how can i make some connection automatic in icd? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | xt: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS if there's nottin then I dunno | 14:22 |
| thresh | like, if there is a usb cable plugged in, do it. | 14:22 |
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| thresh | (i'm using libicd-network-usb, yeah) | 14:22 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: reading what? | 14:22 |
| nidO | btw noobmonk3y | 14:22 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: but with the antenna? | 14:23 |
| noobmonk3y | yes nidO ? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: ??? | 14:23 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: when I use it, I like to listen to the radio | 14:23 |
| xt | DocScrutinizer: it's close, but I can't extrapolate from that to what I need :( | 14:23 |
| nidO | the "australian firmware" listed in navifirm is still just the global firmware, all navifirm got updated with is the various product id's assigned to each country | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: ahh headset. any will do | 14:23 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: the earphones... | 14:23 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: nokia earphones have a radio antenna in it, isn't it? | 14:23 |
| ptl | really? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:23 |
| ptl | lemme try then, I have a few handsets here | 14:24 |
| ShadowJK | Some people have reported better success with non-headset headphones :-) | 14:24 |
| ptl | *headsets | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: they don't _have_ an antenna, they _are_ the antenna | 14:24 |
| supertramp | original hs sucks | 14:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol fair enough nidO | 14:24 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm i like my original hs, would be useful if the rocker did something though | 14:25 |
| supertramp | any suitably - good quality wire may act as an FM antena | 14:25 |
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| chiku00 | hello | 14:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | lo chiku00 | 14:25 |
| supertramp | :) | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, as there 3 and 4 are short | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | easier to detect | 14:26 |
| * timeless sighs | 14:26 | |
| ptl | it works... nice! I always thought it needed special hardware | 14:26 |
| ptl | on the headphones | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 14:26 |
| timeless | so, getting a visa renewed is hard | 14:26 |
| rmrfchik | erminig gives exception and doesn't work.. | 14:27 |
| rmrfchik | seems like EPIC FAIL with syncing. fucking internet device. | 14:27 |
| supertramp | ? | 14:27 |
| nidO | so when're you expecting your app to get promoted noobmonk3y | 14:28 |
| Funnyface | is there a way to just reset my N900 to "factory defaults", restoring the device the way it was when I took it out of the box, or do I have to reflash it completely? | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: I seen guys traveling from Taipei to Frankfurt, to get a visa for mainland China. go figure | 14:28 |
| supertramp | hehe | 14:28 |
| supertramp | factory defaults :)) | 14:28 |
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| timeless | control panel's title has a menu item | 14:28 |
| Funnyface | might not be the right thing to call it on a device like this but still :P | 14:28 |
| timeless | it might or might not do what you want | 14:28 |
| rmrfchik | "exchange syncing" fails to sync contacts, and can sync only 1 calendar. ermining fails with exception. | 14:28 |
| noobmonk3y | nid0 - hit the promote button, so 45 mins maybe? | 14:28 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: what's your server and is this mfe? | 14:29 |
| rmrfchik | google is my server | 14:29 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck 0.6.0-5Fremantle Extras free armelPackage is stable | 14:29 |
| noobmonk3y | eeeeeeeeek | 14:29 |
| Funnyface | timeless: I looked there, but couldn't seem to find it :P | 14:29 |
| noobmonk3y | eeeeeeek in a good way that is | 14:29 |
| rmrfchik | and it nice to sync contacts with local linu xbox | 14:29 |
| timeless | iiuc there should be improvements in 1.2 | 14:29 |
| * Arif_ wobbles off to school | 14:29 | |
| timeless | note that we never claimed google support | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Wobble Arif_ | 14:30 |
| * infobot pushes Arif_ so that he wobbles like file | 14:30 | |
| Arif_ | =D | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 14:30 |
| ShadowJK | there's a thread on tmo where one of the authors of the ms exchange support talks | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | have fun Arif_ | 14:30 |
| timeless | their impl of mfe is 'special', just like their impl of imap is 'special' | 14:30 |
| Arif_ | thanks :p | 14:30 |
| Arif_ | bb | 14:30 |
| timeless | did you actually tap the titlebar? | 14:30 |
| timeless | it isn't in an icon entry, it's in the app's menu | 14:31 |
| Funnyface | aah thanks, I see it now :) | 14:31 |
| timeless | :) | 14:31 |
| * timeless waits futily | 14:32 | |
| Funnyface | hmm asks me for a code, which I don't have :P | 14:32 |
| timeless | 12345? | 14:32 |
| timeless | did you check the manual? | 14:32 |
| Funnyface | nope I didn't | 14:32 |
| timeless | ironically, to reset to defaults, you either need to know a default | 14:33 |
| timeless | or you need to know the value to which a default was changed :) | 14:33 |
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| rmrfchik | timeless: why to blame google? stop talking about "Exchange syncing" and implement "Google syncing" | 14:34 |
| rmrfchik | fuck the microsoft shit, never used it, and hope never will | 14:34 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: why don't *you* implement google sync? | 14:35 |
| Funnyface | well I haven't really looked into the structure of the partitions etc, but on my old winmo device, it had a ROM that wouldn't ever be changed unless you reflashed the device to a new ROM.. so to "reset it to factory defaults" all you had to do was to wipe the flash memory from it :P | 14:35 |
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| ShadowJK | I bet it's because the syncing people have previously only written stuff for business users :) | 14:35 |
| rmrfchik | yeah... sure. pay $1k for brik. | 14:35 |
| chiku00 | someone use qtirreco? | 14:35 |
| rmrfchik | good choice | 14:35 |
| timeless | note that google ToS will be worth reading | 14:35 |
| chiku00 | I don't know how to use it | 14:35 |
| timeless | sorry, it's 650USD | 14:35 |
| noobmonk3y | nidO: so tis in fremantle extras - but any idea how long it takes to move onto the downloads page? assuming it is a batch job every 30 mins or so? | 14:35 |
| rmrfchik | this is not what expected from internet device | 14:35 |
| timeless | plus tax, so 720 | 14:35 |
| chiku00 | to power on/off samsung tv | 14:35 |
| timeless | not 1000 | 14:36 |
| rmrfchik | timeless: welcome to russia. nokia thinks there are only millionare live | 14:36 |
| Funnyface | timeless: didn't do what I had hoped, but thanks anyway :) | 14:36 |
| timeless | and you can get one for less stateside | 14:36 |
| noobmonk3y | rmrfchik: billionaires you mean | 14:36 |
| timeless | funnyface: it wouldn't | 14:36 |
| timeless | but you asked for it :) | 14:36 |
| w00t | friendly as ever, i see | 14:36 |
| brik | rmrfchik: not for sale :< | 14:36 |
| w00t | brik: go to uni :p | 14:37 |
| brik | 0:) | 14:37 |
| timeless | brik: we can't buy you for 1k$? | 14:37 |
| rmrfchik | don't care. just depressed. all co-workers with iphones and androids recieve calendar events with their PHONES and I can't get it on INTERNET DEVICE! | 14:37 |
| rmrfchik | and what device in internet then? | 14:37 |
| noobmonk3y | rmrfchik: you need a new internet... lols | 14:37 |
| rmrfchik | yeah | 14:37 |
| rmrfchik | new shiny | 14:37 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: use google in the browser | 14:37 |
| TigerTael | I want a device that has a 5Ghz processor. | 14:37 |
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| ShadowJK | There's probably a RFE for google sync in the bugzilla, add your vote to it :) | 14:38 |
| timeless | configure google calendar to send sms reminders | 14:38 |
| rmrfchik | timeless: lol. | 14:38 |
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| rmrfchik | it's funny. | 14:38 |
| timeless | they work better than calenda anyway | 14:38 |
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| timeless | shadow: no, if people want something, they need to complain to: | 14:38 |
| timeless | 1. point of sale | 14:38 |
| timeless | 2. nokia store | 14:38 |
| timeless | 3. nokia care | 14:38 |
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| timeless | nothing else sends a message to managers | 14:39 |
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| timeless | (and please do complain) | 14:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | timeless - tmo is number 4... we allways need a good trolling | 14:39 |
| timeless | note that this applies to any and all vendors | 14:40 |
| rmrfchik | no all complaining is trolling | 14:40 |
| timeless | complaining to sun/oracle engineers is just as rude and ineffective as complaining to nokia or apple or microsoft engineers | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lol - trolling can be useful... if trolled correctly | 14:40 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, oops, sometimes I forget it's nokia ;-) | 14:40 |
| rmrfchik | yes, this is very...handy to close eyes on whining and say "troll" | 14:40 |
| w00t | rmrfchik: you're not listening | 14:40 |
| w00t | rmrfchik: you're complaining in the wrong place | 14:41 |
| thresh | rmrfchik: that's cause you're troll indeed | 14:41 |
| timeless | you need to complain to people who deal w/ money | 14:41 |
| timeless | and engineers do not do that | 14:41 |
| rmrfchik | w00t: i start complaining about erminig. | 14:41 |
| w00t | that ended a long time ago | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | timeless: Bingo... that be true... also specific trolling depends on the countries law - point of sale should allways be #1 | 14:41 |
| rmrfchik | w00t: ic | 14:41 |
| timeless | rmrfchik: is this #erminig? | 14:41 |
| nidO | mm, lunch | 14:41 |
| w00t | ..and that, I suppose | 14:41 |
| rmrfchik | timeless: ahh, sorry. this also is not #microb, #modest, #qt, #maemo-terminal | 14:42 |
| timeless | there is a #modest | 14:42 |
| timeless | and there's a #qt and iirc a #maemo-qt | 14:42 |
| w00t | correct | 14:42 |
| w00t | and #qt-labs, if you're willing to participate in development there | 14:42 |
| rmrfchik | ok | 14:42 |
| timeless | so yes, complaining about any of those here is stupid | 14:42 |
| * rmrfchik is shutted up | 14:43 | |
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| timeless | note that complaining is almost always inappropriate | 14:43 |
| TigerTael | What can we complain about here? | 14:43 |
| w00t | TigerTael: complaining, apparantly | 14:43 |
| timeless | offering to help is different | 14:43 |
| w00t | :-) | 14:43 |
| timeless | tigertael: finland | 14:43 |
| timeless | finnish police/visa stuff | 14:43 |
| timeless | the weather | 14:43 |
| timeless | management | 14:43 |
| timeless | incompetent people | 14:44 |
| timeless | trolls | 14:44 |
| timeless | oh, and as w00t notes: complainers | 14:44 |
| TigerTael | God I hate trolls. | 14:44 |
| nidO | I think modest should be allowed too | 14:44 |
| w00t | timeless: you need visas to go to finland..? | 14:44 |
| TigerTael | oh? | 14:44 |
| * w00t panics | 14:44 | |
| timeless | nid0: modest is open source | 14:44 |
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| timeless | put up or shut up | 14:44 |
| timeless | and for the record, i've posted patches for modest | 14:45 |
| chiku00 | ok it works :) | 14:45 |
| TigerTael | timeless, thanks. | 14:45 |
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| ShadowJK | So apparently if you're beckham you get free police escort, if you aren't quite a megacelebrity, you can however *purchase* police escort from the .fi police. Awesome eh? | 14:45 |
| nidO | I am putting up, and modest (mostly) works, its just cripplingly limited | 14:45 |
| w00t | ShadowJK: sounds good to me | 14:45 |
| TigerTael | That's cool. | 14:45 |
| timeless | shadow: wow | 14:45 |
| TigerTael | I must go and change my name. | 14:45 |
| timeless | lol | 14:45 |
| nidO | do they charge by hour for that? | 14:46 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, was that for every movement he made in country | 14:46 |
| noobmonk3y | fucksocks........ | 14:46 |
| lcuk | or just to hospital | 14:46 |
| noobmonk3y | how do i add a screenshot? :) - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ | 14:46 |
| * lcuk has been inside amber lamps in finland | 14:46 | |
| timeless | btw, did he actually make local news? | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Page->edit | 14:46 |
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| mece | Is it wrong of me to be excited about Tron Legacy? | 14:46 |
| timeless | i heard of it from USA news | 14:47 |
| timeless | mece: not at all :) | 14:47 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, dude, newspapers paid some pizza delivery kid 300 euro when he took a crappy cellphone photo of the pizza he delivered | 14:47 |
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| timeless | beckham got crappy pizza? | 14:47 |
| timeless | poor guy | 14:47 |
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| timeless | and wow, the papers here are cheap | 14:48 |
| timeless | only 300eur? | 14:48 |
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| X-Fade | timeless: dummy contract ;) | 14:48 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's Turku, I've lived there, and my first reaction was "oh shit, they gave him pizza?" | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: it came with 'all you can drink' cola. | 14:48 |
| mece | I just watched the Tron Legacy trailer at the beginning I was 'tis gonna suuuck, but it looked cool and then jeff bridges' face popped up in the end and I was all EEEK! | 14:48 |
| timeless | heh | 14:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | cheers X-Fade | 14:49 |
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| mece | ShadowJK, uudenmaantulli kotipizza == awesome! | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Seems to work :) | 14:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | yayyyyyyyyyy! Worked fine :D | 14:49 |
| noobmonk3y | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ - healthcheck is now an official Maemo5 download - w000p w000p! | 14:50 |
| noobmonk3y | ~kiss lcuk | 14:50 |
| * infobot forces lcuk to give MikaT a big kiss on the hand | 14:50 | |
| noobmonk3y | lols | 14:50 |
| TigerTael | hax | 14:50 |
| mece | wtf? | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mbarcode *thumbs up* | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 14:52 |
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| nidO | Downloads: 1 | 14:53 |
| nidO | gz noobmonk3y :p | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, that will be updated with the next daily stats run anyway. | 14:54 |
| Appiah | I just down loaded it | 14:54 |
| Appiah | downloaded* | 14:54 |
| rmrfchik | is there way to export all contacts in text? | 14:54 |
| nidO | -devel and -testing downloads will get added to that total overnight I take it | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | yeah. | 14:54 |
| X-Fade | Although overnight is most of the time afternoon UTC. | 14:55 |
| mece | either way, now that tron is coming, why haven't we yet heard about tha lst starfighter remake? :D | 14:56 |
| mece | the last starfighter even. | 14:56 |
| noobmonk3y | yayness! | 14:56 |
| timeless | mece: heh | 14:57 |
| noobmonk3y | wow is the download tracker right? says it was getting 1100 downloads on one day?! | 14:58 |
| nidO | looks that way | 14:58 |
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| nidO | march 8th, is that the day it went to testing? | 14:58 |
| noobmonk3y | holy hell - yeah nidO :D | 14:59 |
| nidO | it dropped off awful fast after that though, but should see another big spike now :p | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | Well, yes and no. | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe yeah - i havn't been spammin the forum post :P | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh theres a no with the yes? lol | 15:00 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, welcome to the big time :D | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | People using testing and extras already have that version now. | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | So they won't get the update notification. | 15:00 |
| * noobmonk3y thanks mece | 15:00 | |
| nidO | there must be a huge userbase that are staying away from unstable repos though to whom the app's now opened up for | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | But on the other hand, extras opens you up to every N900 out there with recent firmware. | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | good point - so it is counting all dloads since extras :D | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry since testing | 15:01 |
| ptl | Is QML any good? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, fahrplan update... finally. Hope it fixes the frequent segfaults | 15:03 |
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| * noobmonk3y is off to lunch :D | 15:05 | |
| mece | is there a dl counter for extras-devel btw? I mean can you see how many times a package has been downloaded somewhere? | 15:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | not seen one, would be nice to have the three dload stats :D so the version has a total | 15:06 |
| mece | true true. | 15:07 |
| mece | noobmonk3y, is healthcheck PyQt? | 15:07 |
| noobmonk3y | yup mece | 15:07 |
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| X-Fade | In theory I could create that, but prefer to invest time in some other things that need to be fixed first ;) | 15:07 |
| noobmonk3y | X-Fade: hows the incentive of a posted chocolate bar? lol :D | 15:07 |
| mece | X-Fade, yeah not really needed, but it sure would be fun to see. | 15:08 |
| range | Oh yes. A hercules emulator. What I always wanted: System/370 on my phone ... | 15:09 |
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| karlosos | hey guys | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | hey karlosos | 15:10 |
| * noobmonk3y loves peter okwoli - whom'ever he may be | 15:11 | |
| noobmonk3y | karlosos: w0000000000p http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/# :D :D :D | 15:11 |
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| mece | can someone tell me how I can remove a broken package from my dpkg install queue? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | mece: apt-get -f install or apt-get remove brokenpackagehere ? | 15:16 |
| anunakin | or apt-get update | 15:16 |
| mece | hmm -f just complained that the package is broken | 15:16 |
| mece | same with remove. | 15:16 |
| mece | ok lemme get back to you. I'm rebooting | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | dpkg -P packagename.deb ? | 15:17 |
| mece | ok done.. damn that's fast. | 15:17 |
| mece | X-Fade, that sounds like it should work. | 15:17 |
| mece | P as in Purge? | 15:17 |
| noobmonk3y | P as in peanuts too | 15:17 |
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| X-Fade | mece: yes | 15:17 |
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| mece | hmm no. same erro. | 15:19 |
| mece | r | 15:19 |
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| mece | sub-process post-removal script returned error exit status 2 | 15:19 |
| mece | samba-common | 15:19 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 15:19 |
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| FIQ | hm | 15:25 |
| FIQ | the tgb suddenly went to american layout | 15:25 |
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| FIQ | how to set it back to scandinavian? | 15:26 |
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| MiXu- | what's tgb? | 15:27 |
| FIQ | uh | 15:27 |
| FIQ | ups | 15:27 |
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| FIQ | swedish shortword | 15:27 |
| FIQ | keyb | 15:27 |
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| MiXu- | In N900? | 15:27 |
| MiXu- | It's in settings | 15:27 |
| MiXu- | Text input | 15:28 |
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| FIQ | ty | 15:28 |
| MiXu- | np | 15:28 |
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| MiXu- | Did you install Duke Nukem 3D? ;) | 15:29 |
| MiXu- | Because that's known to mess up the layout =) | 15:29 |
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| MiXu- | happened to me as well | 15:29 |
| mece | MiXu-, Well, that's just stuff you have to take when you're "all out of gum" :D | 15:30 |
| FIQ | lol, yeah | 15:30 |
| * mece is now feeling the urge to install duke3d | 15:30 | |
| mece | hey is it multiplayer ready? | 15:30 |
| mece | I've been longing to pipebomb my friends for a while now.. | 15:30 |
| FIQ | no idea, just wanted to test | 15:31 |
| FIQ | never played before | 15:31 |
| tybollt | fuck is firefuck ever lovely? (on my PC) fore no reason at all all of a sudden firefox comes up sans url bar and search bar... PoS :) | 15:31 |
| FIQ | one of my older friends were like crazy when he saw that running on the phone. :P | 15:31 |
| mece | tybollt, firefuck? sounds painful. | 15:32 |
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| mece | kids these days... | 15:32 |
| MiXu- | mece: Haha. Yeah :D | 15:32 |
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| MiXu- | goatse is for sissies | 15:33 |
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| tybollt | mece: I find it offensive calling that PoS thatis firefox anything but that :) | 15:34 |
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| mece | lol | 15:35 |
| mece | it has been working very well on my home machin, but very poorly on my work machine. firefox that is. Linux > windows apparently | 15:35 |
| mece | wtf since when has openoffice been java? | 15:37 |
| tybollt | it always was. | 15:37 |
| mece | damn | 15:37 |
| tybollt | yes | 15:37 |
| mece | that explains the slowness | 15:37 |
| tybollt | uhuh :D | 15:37 |
| mece | is there another OSS word processor for windows one could recommend? | 15:38 |
| tybollt | Well | 15:38 |
| thresh | abiword? | 15:38 |
| tybollt | since these days you are likely to receive documents in the new fangled ".docx" and ".xlsx" you have to have a pretty actively maintained word processor to be compatible | 15:39 |
| mece | true true.. well I don't really have that problem though. | 15:39 |
| tybollt | most shitz out there - except OOo - is not compatible w/ the newer formats | 15:39 |
| mece | I just want to make some documents myself. Teaching materials n such. | 15:39 |
| mece | trying abiword | 15:39 |
| tybollt | LeX | 15:40 |
| tybollt | LyX | 15:40 |
| lostinmirkwood | Is this the right place to ask packaging/garage questions? | 15:40 |
| tybollt | etc | 15:40 |
| mece | LOL ok there appear to be microsoft office installed on this computer too... | 15:40 |
| zash | LaTeX? | 15:40 |
| Arkenoi | abiword has trouble displaying embedded objects (table and graphics) | 15:40 |
| mece | no thanks. | 15:40 |
| mece | Arkenoi | 15:40 |
| mece | Arkenoi, oh.. is it bad? | 15:40 |
| * satmd for simplicity banned *.???x formats from his office | 15:40 | |
| RST38h | Australian boffins have developed a treatment which allows mice to smoke cigarettes without the usual negative health consequences. | 15:40 |
| RST38h | Moo arkenoi | 15:41 |
| Arkenoi | mece, depends. i get those quite frequently | 15:41 |
| Arkenoi | moo | 15:41 |
| * tybollt used to work for the goverment | 15:41 | |
| tybollt | there's no such luxury as to choosing what kind of documents you can read | 15:41 |
| mece | There was some docx document I recieved but I found an online converter that fixed it to some readable format for me. | 15:42 |
| mece | wow abiword is fast! | 15:42 |
| petteri | on 900? | 15:43 |
| petteri | n900 | 15:43 |
| mece | err no. | 15:43 |
| mece | well maybe, but I'm on an old pc with winxp | 15:43 |
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| mece | abiword is compiled for N900 isn't it? | 15:44 |
| petteri | ok, last time I tried it on N900 it was really slow. I was hoping to hear about some progress | 15:44 |
| mece | oh. ok. | 15:44 |
| mece | well i bet it's still faster than OO | 15:45 |
| petteri | yes :) | 15:45 |
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| tybollt | anything is faste than OOo | 15:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: Coreldraw's java version? | 15:47 |
| * RST38h ready to give up on libnotify | 15:47 | |
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| mece | damn you microsoft! | 15:48 |
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| mece | hey what's the default fixed width font on this thing? (WinXP) | 15:49 |
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| mece | hmm Courier new seems fixed. | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | For speaking the truth -) | 15:51 |
| mece | RST38h, what truth does he speak? | 15:52 |
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| RST38h | mece: That QML is not anything to get excited about | 15:53 |
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| tybollt | So | 15:59 |
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| tybollt | does fennec work w/ plugins like adblock/noscript? | 15:59 |
| mfinkle | s/plugins/add-ons and yes | 16:00 |
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| tybollt | mfinkle: jajaja | 16:00 |
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| tybollt | so may be an idea to switch then... | 16:00 |
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| tybollt | getting a bit fed up w/ microb not working w/ those | 16:00 |
| Shapeshifter | don't you people feel like browsing on the n900 is still extremely slow? I'm complaining, no mobile device I know is really fast, but to me the slowness is just unbearable. Am I the only one who thinks like this? (Maybe it's because the n900 is my first mobile and I never liked mobiles anyway because all their features were crippled) | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | s/I'm complaining/I'm NOT complaining/ | 16:01 |
| infobot | Shapeshifter meant: don't you people feel like browsing on the n900 is still extremely slow? I'm NOT complaining, no mobile device I know is really fast, but to me the slowness is just unbearable. Am I the only one who thinks like this? (Maybe it's because the n900 is my fir... | 16:01 |
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| * mgedmin actually is complaining: browsing on the n900 is too effing slow | 16:01 | |
| tybollt | ~shutup | 16:01 |
| infobot | yes master, I'll STFU | 16:01 |
| tybollt | ~hugz | 16:01 |
| tybollt | ~hugs | 16:01 |
| infobot | i heard hugs is Haskell 98 interpreter. URL: http://www.haskell.org/hugs | 16:02 |
| mgedmin | :) | 16:02 |
| noobmonk3y | ~hug the world | 16:02 |
| tybollt | :-) | 16:02 |
| * infobot hugs the world tightly until the world turns slightly blue | 16:02 | |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 16:02 |
| Appiah | the little browsing I've done seams fast enough | 16:02 |
| noobmonk3y | infobot: has mahoooooooooosive arms | 16:02 |
| Appiah | if its been slow its been beacuse of my connection | 16:02 |
| jaska | bionic bot | 16:02 |
| noobmonk3y | yup :D | 16:02 |
| mfinkle | if you're away from your wifi connection and want to browse the web your options are limited | 16:02 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: slow how? | 16:02 |
| mfinkle | do i use my N900 to browse the web instead of my laptop or wired desktop? no | 16:03 |
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| mfinkle | you use what you have access to | 16:03 |
| noobmonk3y | i actually do at home... unless i'm needing to do more advanced stuff | 16:03 |
| noobmonk3y | laptop has been demoted to the floor | 16:03 |
| nidO | my laptop's basically been relegated to the wardrobe, it is crap tho | 16:04 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, I think it's pretty ok. 3g latency is terrible for me tho. takes ages to get the first connection. after that it loads ok. wifi is pretty fast for me. | 16:04 |
| mece | nidO, mine too! It's a server. I use it for compiling stuff :D | 16:04 |
| nidO | I have a server that I use as a server :P | 16:04 |
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| mece | nidO, quiet, ecological and has a built in UPS :D | 16:05 |
| petteri | my desktop just broke today, so I am quite happy owning N900, so I can surf the web. Althougt reddit.com not workin with microb is pain :) | 16:05 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: like, even on wlan it's 5-10 times slower than a lap top or so. e.g. anandtech.com. laptop: 1s, n900 5s until viewable, 12s until fully loaded | 16:05 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, well it has about 1/5 the power of a laptop too so... | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | of course on 3g or 2g you can grab a coffee while some page is loading. not blaming the n900 on that. But it's just slow. Well, the web is slow :) the web sucks. | 16:06 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: microb or fennec? | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: microb | 16:06 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: try fennec - people around here say it's a few orders of magnitude faster at loading pages | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | Enable disk cache in microb, helps.. | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: interesting. thanks. | 16:06 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, have you tried any webkit browsers? | 16:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | on the matter of 3g browsing and such, what opera does with their turbo stuff or whatever its called, is quite smart. For browsing non-sensible data it's a nice service that they compress everything before sending it to your browser. | 16:07 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: midori runs ok. not faster then microb though | 16:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | mece: actually, it _is_ faster | 16:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | ^^ takes longer too start up though, and doesn't have nice zooming and all that input related stuff. | 16:08 |
| mece | Shapeshifter, I've come to understand that webkit is often pretty damn fast. | 16:08 |
| tybollt | why do you guys recommend midori? | 16:08 |
| Shapeshifter | mece: it is actually. | 16:08 |
| tybollt | I've never been able to use midori on my 900 for longer than five minutes w/out it crashing and burning | 16:09 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: is there a better alternative? I once installed tear but it wouldn't run. don't remember why I just dropped it. | 16:09 |
| mece | hey what format should one his documents these days? It's text and a some html code | 16:09 |
| mece | visible html code that is. | 16:09 |
| mece | tybollt, nobody's recommedning midori, just comparing speed. | 16:10 |
| mece | X | 16:10 |
| Shapeshifter | but fennec aint in the repos right? | 16:11 |
| mece | X-Fade, what does that mean "Enable disk cache in microb?" | 16:11 |
| Shapeshifter | but in ovi. | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol X-Fade | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | mece: about:config | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | Are you tinkering? | 16:11 |
| mfinkle | Shapeshifter: true | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: Don't you refresh all the time ;) | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | healthcheck - Downloads: 11952 - that came from nowhere - was 77 5 mins ago! | 16:11 |
| * noobmonk3y has f5 built into the brain | 16:11 | |
| X-Fade | noobmonk3y: That is what I said. Daily stats run. | 16:11 |
| tybollt | healthcheck... | 16:11 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhh! | 16:11 |
| tybollt | I downloaded that | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | yay | 16:12 |
| * noobmonk3y loves tybollt | 16:12 | |
| tybollt | it's not really a usable app | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:12 |
| tybollt | it says nothing about the health of my device :) | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ~punch tybollt | 16:12 |
| * infobot lets fly with a wild haymaker which catches tybollt right on the nose | 16:12 | |
| mfinkle | X-Fade: enabling disk cache will slow things down | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | mece: If you enable disk cache there, then the browser doesn't have to download things every time. | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | if it loads, it's healthy lol | 16:12 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: dude, for a health app I want something that reads every i2c device in there... | 16:12 |
| X-Fade | mfinkle: Not for sites with a lot of files. | 16:12 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh well i fell you need to make a request and start listing some things for me on tmo :D | 16:13 |
| mfinkle | X-Fade: there is too much locking and thrashing in disk cache code right now | 16:13 |
| mfinkle | we have bugs to fix it | 16:13 |
| noobmonk3y | started learning linux and pyqt 3 weeks ago today! | 16:13 |
| mfinkle | that's why microb and fennec disable it | 16:13 |
| X-Fade | mfinkle: Hmm well it works for me over 3G. | 16:13 |
| mfinkle | it actually slows down page loads | 16:13 |
| mece | ok well I'm leaving it off for now. I'll check it out later. I'm actually quite satisified with microb. | 16:13 |
| mfinkle | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537843 | 16:14 |
| povbot | Bug 537843: was not found. | 16:14 |
| tybollt | noobmonk3y: uhm if I did you'd probably escalate that punching into round-house-kicks-by-chuck-norris, so no :) | 16:14 |
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| X-Fade | mfinkle: But then again, I flash new versions quite often so my cache doesn't fill up too much ;) | 16:14 |
| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 16:14 |
| noobmonk3y | lol tybollt - any advice and help is good help | 16:14 |
| tybollt | okok see what I can do | 16:14 |
| mfinkle | X-Fade: it's fixed in the next major release https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513074 | 16:15 |
| povbot | Bug 513074: was not found. | 16:15 |
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| mece | on a side note. The N900 needs space battle games. Pronto! | 16:16 |
| MiXu- | I agree! | 16:16 |
| MiXu- | asteroids clones don't count | 16:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | mece: know any good ones? | 16:16 |
| mece | oolite, vegastike | 16:16 |
| mece | oolite is elite. So that is awesome. | 16:16 |
| dmj726_n900 | those need opengl 2.0 right? | 16:17 |
| mece | privateer | 16:17 |
| mece | possibly | 16:17 |
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| Appiah | subspace on n900 ? :) | 16:17 |
| mece | oolite didn't compile out of the box at least. | 16:17 |
| dmj726_n900 | do you know programming? | 16:17 |
| mece | subspace does not count. | 16:17 |
| Appiah | mece: =( | 16:18 |
| mece | Appiah, but it would also be nice :) | 16:18 |
| mece | Privateer is also open source these days. | 16:18 |
| dmj726_n900 | I dould see if any inline assembly is used in those then see about filling the dependencies | 16:19 |
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| dmj726_n900 | the opengl 2 to gles 2 wrapper will be the big thing to look at. | 16:19 |
| mece | dmj726_n900, yep. Anyway oolite is the lightest one I could find. | 16:20 |
| dmj726_n900 | kamui was working on one for blender but i think he is having some difficulty | 16:20 |
| RST38h | An advert for an IT professional "preferably of Indian origin" is being investigated after complaints were made to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | Ouch =) | 16:20 |
| mece | there was a really cool list on a page.. It was a couple of years old. I went through them one by one and checked possibilities. | 16:20 |
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| mece | ah yes here we go: http://freegamer.blogspot.com/2006/06/open-source-3d-space-games.html | 16:22 |
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| mece | No Gravity, Privateer Gemini Gold and Oolite. | 16:23 |
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| RST38h | mece: So, start porting like right away! | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | (OOlite probably out of the question as it is written in ObjC) | 16:24 |
| mece | RST38h, right yeah now I remember, that was what I deducted.. | 16:25 |
| dmj726_n9001 | why objc? | 16:25 |
| mece | RST38h, anyway none of those were a straight fix. | 16:25 |
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| mece | dmj729_n9001, to piss us off? | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | RST38bis test | 16:26 |
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| dmj726_n9001 | our biggest issue is the lack of ogl 2 support | 16:27 |
| RST38h | RST38bis test | 16:27 |
| tybollt | RST38bis test | 16:27 |
| arachnist | RST38bis: test? | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | Ok, still no icon. WHAT am I doing wrong people??? | 16:27 |
| mece | RST38h, what icon? | 16:28 |
| RST38h | bubble notification icon | 16:28 |
| tybollt | aaah | 16:29 |
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| mece | vegastike could be doable. might be really heavy though. | 16:32 |
| mece | http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page | 16:32 |
| mece | freeglut is broken for armel btw. | 16:33 |
| dmj726_n9001 | vegastrike would be nice but heavy is the word | 16:33 |
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| flukebox | Hi All, I am facing strange problem in maemo-sdk. Label on buttons are coming to be weird. I am attaching a screenshot here http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1381/46111705.png | 16:36 |
| RST38h | Anyone worked with libnotify??? | 16:36 |
| flukebox | please help me out | 16:36 |
| TigerTael | flukebox, I had that the first time I used the SDK | 16:37 |
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| mece | no gravity is abandoned, but stable at 2.0. There's a new, proprietary sequel being developed. | 16:38 |
| mece | anyway. I'm off. Will look into no gravity some more. | 16:39 |
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| flukebox | TigerTael: do you know the solution ? | 16:39 |
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| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer you about? | 16:55 |
| C-S-B | nidO, ? | 16:56 |
| nidO | hi | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: yo, but in a hurry | 16:56 |
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| C-S-B | new n900, fm transmitter is fine | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine :-D | 16:56 |
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| C-S-B | just thought I'd report back. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks a lot | 16:56 |
| nidO | they did you a straight swap nps then | 16:56 |
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| C-S-B | yeah, everything is new | 16:56 |
| C-S-B | :) | 16:56 |
| C-S-B | one thing, i retardedly deleted my backup? (go figure) | 16:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer smells QA issues at Nokia's N900 fab | 16:57 | |
| C-S-B | but my contacts were syncd over nuevo | 16:57 |
| C-S-B | just filling my apps. | 16:57 |
| nidO | things like problems with the tx are probably hard to nail down or quantify though | 16:57 |
| C-S-B | so is that two reports in here of fm tx not working? | 16:58 |
| nidO | as id imagine 95% (at least) of owners will never ever use it anyway | 16:58 |
| nidO | so have no clue if it's broken | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | fm tx may be disabled in some countries though | 16:58 |
| xfade | lcuk: Can you vote onedotzero down in the qa queue? The app will obviously not be promoted to extras as the bugtracker link is missing. | 16:58 |
| C-S-B | I bought the device outright, I want EVERYTHING working. :P | 16:58 |
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| nidO | how, theres only 5 known firmware variants and the fm tx is identical on all of them | 16:58 |
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| C-S-B | greece has the fm tx disabled | 16:59 |
| * RST38h suggests adding a few more arbitrary promotion requirements to strike down as many apps as possible | 16:59 | |
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| RST38h | This will give every active community member something to do, other than develop apps | 16:59 |
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| mikkov | hear hear | 17:00 |
| nidO | C-S-B you sure about that? leaving aside how they'd do it theres no reason for it to be, as the tx is legal in greece | 17:00 |
| RST38h | They can go around and vote apps down based on the arbitrary requirements | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I know all the gory details about OM (FIC) fab QA failures. Amazing, how Nokia is suffering from similar issues. Thought they should have sorted out such silly problems | 17:00 |
| C-S-B | nidO, just relaying whats in the forums. | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Well this one was discussed in public and has been there for a while. | 17:00 |
| C-S-B | DocScrutinizer anything I should do to bring this to attention? | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, they'll learn by the retour device | 17:01 |
| nidO | itll get seen/dealt with by you returning it | 17:01 |
| nidO | cpw will ship it back to nokia, who may or may not look into the problem if they care, or just bin it | 17:01 |
| C-S-B | Bin it? I'd have it as a secondary hack device! | 17:02 |
| RST38h | XFade: Things get discussed in public but nothing ever changes, unfortunately | 17:02 |
| RST38h | XFade: The 10-vote promotion requirement has been discussed as well. Has it been changed? | 17:02 |
| C-S-B | The fmtx is pretty good btw, suprisely well picked up. | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: When VDVsx assigns the testing squad, then yes. But in another way. | 17:03 |
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| * RST38h facepalms and crawls back into the corner | 17:03 | |
| nidO | ? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: you could open a thread on tmo, to advice other users to thoroughly check their devices on day-1 | 17:04 |
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| C-S-B | Yeah, I might do. Many people like myself may just assume that it's them doing something wrong, reflash and trouble shoot unecessarily | 17:05 |
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| hrw | morning | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-S-B: exactly my thought | 17:06 |
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| achipa | fm transmitter sounds more regulatory to me. You actually have a list on the box which countries are (not) supported for FMTX | 17:09 |
| lcuk | xfade ok but it will be back there in under a week, ive got some mods pending lol | 17:09 |
| nidO | no eu countries should be on that list, and the uk most definitely isnt | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: No problem, just want to clean the list up a bit ;) | 17:09 |
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| cityLights | hay, did anyone ever wrote a paper describing how network is being implimented in maemo 5? | 17:09 |
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| cityLights | I mean I see dnsmasq , udhcp | 17:10 |
| lcuk | yip still dont actually know whether i should push for extras | 17:10 |
| cityLights | other scripts in /etc .. | 17:10 |
| lcuk | its not exactly useful without the desktop side and was written for an event | 17:10 |
| lcuk | its like software like the fosdem tracker | 17:10 |
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| cityLights | I mean , I got a problem getting openvpn to work in bridging, how am I to debug it? | 17:11 |
| lcuk | eventually one day people will want those in extras (so participants dont need to hack to get at sw) | 17:11 |
| lcuk | but they become outdated as soon as event over | 17:11 |
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| lardman | X-Fade: ping | 17:12 |
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| cityLights | lardman , hi | 17:12 |
| lardman | X-Fade: If I vote it down it will be removed from -testing? | 17:12 |
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| lardman | hi cityLights | 17:12 |
| cityLights | say , is there a summry of how networking is implimented in maemo 5? an osso icd maybe? | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Should only remove the entry in the queue, but wait a sec while I make sure ;) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: yep | 17:13 |
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| X-Fade | lardman: Yes, seems safe. | 17:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | wtf skype spam | 17:14 |
| Shapeshifter | ~rage | 17:14 |
| infobot | i heard rage is a warrior's infinite mana bar. | 17:14 |
| * noobmonk3y is back.. again | 17:14 | |
| X-Fade | lardman: Can you comment to that entry in packages too? I'm testing notification/subscribe to comments. | 17:15 |
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| nidO | didnt have to do work, did you? | 17:15 |
| cityLights | I remember Shapeshifter , you have been in the OE crew - right | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: OE crew? | 17:15 |
| cityLights | I mean back in the simpad days | 17:15 |
| cityLights | X-fade is new to me | 17:16 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm not related to Star Trek, the drum'n'bass artist, or werewolves. | 17:16 |
| Shapeshifter | cityLights: nope, not me either ;) | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | cityLights: What is? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: heh, you got my third post ever, on tmo :-) | 17:16 |
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| cityLights | just trying to remember how many ppl here are long time developers for devices similer to maemo | 17:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: you're joerg? | 17:17 |
| Shapeshifter | Very good suggestions :) | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | /whosis dockside | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~docsrcrutinizer | 17:18 |
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| cityLights | ok, so if I want to get openvpn working using layer 2 , tap device , bridging mode, must I google? | 17:18 |
| tybollt | ~doctorow | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: ping | 17:18 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? | 17:19 |
| cityLights | is there no formal documantiation to maemo networking? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah typos typos typpsos | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~docscrutinizer | 17:19 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 17:19 |
| cityLights | hi google is cool - I think | 17:19 |
| cityLights | found a conectivity guide for maemo 2.2 | 17:20 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'm working on refactoring alarmed right now. CLI interface is in the making, and I'm adding a new feature for "presets", where you basically put in exec lines to be reused. | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly what I thought of :-D | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I have a weird idea about issuing a cmdlinecmd --help when selecting the preset, and parse the reply to figure what cmdline options you might want to set, in alarmed | 17:22 |
| csgeek | Is there a guide for building maemo from source? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Did you see the name + version of your app in the comment mail? Or only a guid? | 17:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: do you think people would use or understand it even? I think there's two types of users in this use case, 1) those who know what they're doing and know the options anyway, 2) those who just copy/paste commands from tmo etc. | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: like 'setprofile.sh --help' -> usage:\nprofile: [silent, general, myprofile] | 17:24 |
| lcuk | x-fade im working i havent opened gmail all day | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: so alarmed knows to create a button to open a list to select any of, 'silent', 'general', 'myprofile' from. The name of the button would have to be "profile:" in this example | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Np.. | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: It's not ripe yet. lemme think about it another day ;-D | 17:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: so it would end up being a gui for command line "construction"? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, kinda | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: setbrightness --help ->usage:\nScreen_Brightness: <integer:0-100> | 17:29 |
| Shapeshifter | people should figure that out on the cli :P | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | create_backup --help -> usage:\n-When: <date> (create a button "When" that opens up a date selection widget | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | have to run, ttyl | 17:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 17:31 | |
| Shapeshifter | o/ | 17:31 |
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| flukebox | I think, I have messed up with my scratch-box Meamo5 SDK login. Can i reset it ? | 17:44 |
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| flukebox | I mean i want go to the very start .. | 17:44 |
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| flukebox | is it possible ? | 17:45 |
| C-S-B | all my ssh keys all back in place. bit of a knightmare killing my old n900 entrys from the known hosts list. :) | 17:46 |
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| Mece | ~moo | 18:12 |
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| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 18:12 | |
| Mece | hmpf | 18:12 |
| * csgeek sneaks up behind infobot and grabs a bite... | 18:12 | |
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| Mece | ~lol | 18:14 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. | 18:14 |
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| Mece | damn infobot. I wanted you to laugh :P | 18:15 |
| tybollt | ~you'reanasshat | 18:15 |
| tybollt | Mece: :) | 18:15 |
| Mece | hey x-chat throws popups. Hadn't noticed that before. | 18:16 |
| tybollt | heh | 18:16 |
| tybollt | xchat on n900? | 18:16 |
| tybollt | crazy... | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | Mece: they can be annoying at times ;-) | 18:16 |
| Mece | hm a little overkill that it needs a click to dismiss though. the mini popup you get for mail would be better | 18:17 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the settings commands are at the end of /help | 18:17 |
| N900evil | tybollt, but awesome | 18:17 |
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| Mece | xchat is very good on n900 imo. | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | There are some issues IMO | 18:18 |
| Mece | kinetic scrolling could make ut good-er | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | but moderately minor ones. | 18:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | scrolling of some form would be nice. Even if not kinetic | 18:18 |
| tybollt | hmm | 18:18 |
| Mece | but it does the job.true | 18:18 |
| tybollt | isn't the 900 too small for xchat? | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Doing the right thing when connections go up/down would be nice | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: no | 18:18 |
| tybollt | I always found xchat benefiting from large amounts of screen realestate | 18:18 |
| Mece | tybollt, it's just the right size | 18:18 |
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| tybollt | ok ok | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | tybollt: I have ~15 lines*80 chars or so about | 18:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | How do you shot web. | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Err | 18:19 |
| tybollt | (and magnifiers built into your glasses?) | 18:19 |
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| Mece | oops | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | screenshot from the command line | 18:19 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: xwd is the X screenshot interface | 18:20 |
| Mece | the [X] leaves the chat, not the column apparently :D | 18:20 |
| tybollt | ah xwd is missin :P | 18:20 |
| Mece | xwd is what?? | 18:20 |
| Mece | crap it's snowing like crazy again... | 18:21 |
| tybollt | XWD(1) XWD(1) | 18:22 |
| tybollt | NAME xwd - dump an image of an X window | 18:22 |
| tybollt | that's xwd, but not in base maemo apparently :) | 18:22 |
| Mece | kthx | 18:23 |
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| Arif_ | ohai | 18:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/xwd.pnm | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | My xchat. However, the colours are broken. | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/xwd.xwd - the orignal xwd | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | anyway. | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fine | 18:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | The only other 'major' iussue with cxchat would be the inptu window and box is maybe 3* too high | 18:35 |
| encompass | does anyone know about getting python rsvg working in n900? | 18:35 |
| lardman | X-Fade: sorry, got called away | 18:36 |
| lardman | I've seen your comment | 18:36 |
| lardman | you want me to comment on the mbarcode-0.0.8 package? | 18:36 |
| noobmonk3y | ~juggle Arif_ | 18:36 |
| Arif_ | :O | 18:36 |
| Arif_ | ~wiggle noobmonk3y | 18:36 |
| noobmonk3y | me infobot is on holiday | 18:36 |
| noobmonk3y | meh* | 18:36 |
| Arif_ | ~moo | 18:37 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 18:37 | |
| noobmonk3y | ~woof | 18:37 |
| infobot | rumour has it, woof is the sound a dog makes. | 18:37 |
| noobmonk3y | omg cxlever bot | 18:37 |
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| Arif_ | xD | 18:37 |
| Arif_ | oo | 18:37 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, fun day arif? | 18:37 |
| Arif_ | sygic is out? | 18:37 |
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| Arif_ | yea | 18:37 |
| Arif_ | we made flowcharts! | 18:37 |
| noobmonk3y | Arif_: it made it! - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ | 18:37 |
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| Arif_ | congrats | 18:37 |
| Arif_ | ;D | 18:37 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:38 |
| lardman | X-Fade: I've voted it down, see if it works, cheers | 18:38 |
| noobmonk3y | brb 2 mins | 18:38 |
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| Arif_ | now someone improve KMplayer | 18:39 |
| Arif_ | :D | 18:39 |
| lardman | Arif_: you're the lucky volunteer ;) | 18:39 |
| Arif_ | I volunteer to test | 18:40 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 18:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, I thought health test was going to rate my weight and blood pressure.... | 18:40 |
| lardman | :) | 18:40 |
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| DrGrov | Hello | 18:42 |
| noobmonk3y | lo DrGrov | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lardman - yeah can see where you are coming from | 18:43 |
| noobmonk3y | suppose it needs to detect if you are a mugen battery owner and scream out "You fat bar-steward!" | 18:43 |
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| DrGrov | Got a small question... My phone has been acting up a bit. It seems like when I touch the "Phone" and "Conversations" shortcuts on my desktop it seems to take forever for them to open. When I put keylock it seems to open up a bit faster. Today I kept it trying to open the "Phone" and "Contacts" and it said that if I want to keep "hildon-home" running or terminate the process. I take no, but didn't become any faster or anything. | 18:44 |
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| nidO | not for long though, lugging that round would get you fit in no time | 18:44 |
| DrGrov | It seems like it does this a bit now and then. Could it be because I should do a "reboot" ? | 18:44 |
| DrGrov | Could it be the "screensaver" or hibernate situation that makes it act up like that? | 18:45 |
| noobmonk3y | DrGrov: installed any extras testing or dev software (Like dce?!!) - otherwise turn your phone off and on again, if the uptime is greater then 5 days it slows down a bit | 18:45 |
| lardman | DrGrov: I've had the screen shortcuts not respond a couple of times, reboot should sort it | 18:45 |
| noobmonk3y | good point nidO | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: but it slows down like hell. the uptime is about 2-2,5 days | 18:45 |
| noobmonk3y | the healthcheck app gives you a bootcount too - if that gets above 25 - it needs a turn off :D :D | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | lardman: ah okey, so just a quick rebooting is fixing it up right away ;) | 18:45 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: wtf? :D | 18:45 |
| noobmonk3y | wtf wtf? | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | ~massage DrGrov | 18:46 |
| * infobot gives DrGrov a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts DrGrov to sleep | 18:46 | |
| noobmonk3y | go infobot go! | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: wtf would i need a healthcheck app for a linux based phone? :D | 18:46 |
| lardman | would be interesting to work out what causes that, and also the battery life drain thing, I wonder... | 18:46 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: you god damn... nah, thanks for the massage :) | 18:46 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:46 |
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| DrGrov | ~massage noobmonk3y | 18:46 |
| * infobot gives noobmonk3y a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts noobmonk3y to sleep | 18:46 | |
| noobmonk3y | DrGrov: it just has sysinfo etc on it, and some hardware tests | 18:47 |
| nidO | I could use a snooze | 18:47 |
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| nidO | slowass server :< | 18:47 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: oh, then it would be perfect for my needs. i would want some hardware tests. | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | but the bootcount is a forumulae to let you know it needs a rest :D | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | very very basic though at the mo , but always open to requests | 18:47 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: ah, interesting. god damn! this N900 has it all :) | 18:47 |
| noobmonk3y | ~kick the server | 18:47 |
| * infobot kicks the server | 18:47 | |
| noobmonk3y | violent bot today | 18:48 |
| DrGrov | if it seems slow and i reboot it? can i lose some information when i just turn the power off? | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | well, cached info maybe, just like a pc | 18:48 |
| nidO | i need long legs to kick this one, its in london :< | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | but not anything on your phone :P | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | haha 75mile legs for me | 18:48 |
| DrGrov | so my phone log and conversations will be there? | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 18:48 |
| nidO | 105 miles for me | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | race ya lol | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ctually, i'm too lazy | 18:48 |
| noobmonk3y | a* | 18:48 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: they will be without changing? :) thanks, a bit new to some minor problems and issues yet. | 18:48 |
| nidO | well can pretty much declare myself the winnah, london's a big place and you dont know where the server is :P | 18:49 |
| nidO | + cant access the building ;) | 18:49 |
| noobmonk3y | DrGrov: a reboot, or turn off and on will not loose anything, just gives the device a breather :D | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: or should i say not too comfortable atm with these small things. if i had more time sure, no problem but now i just want the damn thing to work without problems. | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: great, thanks for the information :) | 18:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | ahhhh you will learn DrGrov - its not that much of a scary beast once you get used to it :D | 18:49 |
| noobmonk3y | not a prob at all :D | 18:49 |
| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: i know, i am used to working with linux stuff for the past approximately 5 years. | 18:50 |
| noobmonk3y | ~ Find and destroy every server in london | 18:50 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm that 1 may not work | 18:50 |
| encompass | I am installing scratchback and it tells me I should make a boot option change... where is the grub menu location to make that change in ubuntu? | 18:50 |
| * noobmonk3y trains infobot | 18:50 | |
| nidO | bot sez no | 18:50 |
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| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: one thing though is so cool. i love the way the phone is putting together the call log. nothing extra bullshit there, just plain and simple names and so. not a typical S60 long call log :) | 18:50 |
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| DrGrov | noobmonk3y: and i love the messages in Conversations since it becomes like a IM log but with regular SMS. :) now i just write even more than before. i write about 10-20 messages per day. before on the N97 just about 2-3. | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | good point, lots of people want, ney, demand more, but simple is best :D | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | haha i've noticed that too! | 18:51 |
| noobmonk3y | IM'ing is soooo easy! | 18:52 |
| noobmonk3y | ~piglatin This infobot is quite a clever little bugger | 18:52 |
| infobot | Isthay infobotway isway itequay away everclay ittlelay uggerbay | 18:52 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, conversations has transformed the way i txt too | 18:52 |
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| lcuk | it kicks serious ass | 18:52 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: yeah it does kick serious ass. :) | 18:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ~kick serious ass | 18:53 |
| * infobot kicks serious ass | 18:53 | |
| noobmonk3y | yup it does :D | 18:53 |
| * lcuk wants moar in it but that can wait | 18:53 | |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i hated the N97 with the S60 interface since it's a serious pain in the ass when having an inbox, sent etc etc. | 18:53 |
| Arif_ | the IM functionality needs some work | 18:53 |
| lcuk | have you seen the skins people have made for it | 18:53 |
| Arif_ | =} | 18:53 |
| DrGrov | i found out that the themes are also a LOT *SEXIER* for the N900 than for any other Nokia device | 18:54 |
| DrGrov | Sort of much more slick and professional... | 18:54 |
| DrGrov | Any comments on my statement? | 18:54 |
| DrGrov | Agree/disagree? | 18:54 |
| Arif_ | maybe that's because Moomo only has 10 themes till now? | 18:54 |
| Arif_ | and symbian has 10 million | 18:54 |
| infobot | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'and destroy every server in london' returned no results. | 18:55 |
| noobmonk3y | i think maemo also has a better capacity for themes, graphics, resolution etc | 18:55 |
| noobmonk3y | lmfao infobot! | 18:55 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, good to see you found a friend in infobot | 18:56 |
| * noobmonk3y needs friends :D | 18:56 | |
| noobmonk3y | I r loner | 18:56 |
| noobmonk3y | right off to go and play some left4dead 2... :D zombie killing w000p | 18:56 |
| lcuk | lrn2shower | 18:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 18:56 |
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| Arif_ | mm, shower | 18:58 |
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| DrGrov | how often does new themes come for the N900? | 18:58 |
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| lcuk | DrGrov, theres no schedule :S | 18:59 |
| lcuk | but i often see new ones a few times a week at different stages of development | 19:00 |
| lcuk | i saw a wicked graffiti theme | 19:00 |
| lcuk | but im not the best to ask im still on the default theme | 19:01 |
| toggles_w | lcuk: linky! | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47274 | 19:03 |
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| Khertan | lcuk, héhé ... i like the default one too | 19:03 |
| Khertan | Hi again all ! | 19:03 |
| lcuk | hey k | 19:03 |
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| * lcuk rests | 19:04 | |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: btw, I was wondering why py2deb is looking for the USERNAME env var. I always need to export something like USERNAME=user before it wants to build my package. | 19:05 |
| Khertan | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/S6Fh2Nzw1FI/AAAAAAAAAsM/VRlc9RlnMpM/Screenshot-20100317-235659.png <<<< IF someone know how to set the color of the border of the textview ... thx | 19:05 |
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| Khertan | Shapeshifter, for signing file with gpg | 19:05 |
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| Khertan | but as it s no more needed for maemo | 19:05 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 19:05 |
| Khertan | i should maybe remove it | 19:05 |
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| Khertan | but anyway ... i suggest you to avoid py2deb ... and use now PyPackager :) | 19:06 |
| Khertan | as py2deb is no more maintain | 19:06 |
| Khertan | i ve merge my two packaging tool into py2deb | 19:06 |
| Khertan | it use the same script option that py2den | 19:07 |
| Khertan | it use the same script option that py2deb | 19:07 |
| Khertan | with some new feature | 19:07 |
| Khertan | but it s still lack of documentation i need to write | 19:07 |
| Khertan | and also a fast port script from py2deb to pypackager | 19:07 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:07 |
| flukebox | Can we do a reset of user account on scratchbox of maemo5 sdk account ??? | 19:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: ah ok | 19:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | well I guess I'm too lazy to read into it now. Will probably notice when py2deb stops working xD | 19:08 |
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| Khertan | Shapeshifter, héhé | 19:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:09 |
| Khertan | in fact there is the import which change | 19:09 |
| Khertan | "import py2deb" is now "import pypackager" | 19:09 |
| Khertan | and the variable for the bugtracker isn't the same | 19:09 |
| Khertan | and the last command for generating isn't the same | 19:09 |
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| Khertan | as you can made .deb or source package | 19:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: you got an example build file I can peek at? | 19:11 |
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| * Arif_ is installing sygic | 19:11 | |
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| Khertan | ShadowJK, pypackager itself :) | 19:11 |
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| ShadowJK | miss | 19:11 |
| Khertan | it s self builded | 19:11 |
| Khertan | :) | 19:11 |
| Khertan | at the end | 19:12 |
| Khertan | if def main :) | 19:12 |
| Khertan | ok ... see you later | 19:12 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: thanks | 19:12 |
| Khertan | need to go garage to got my car | 19:12 |
| Khertan | bye | 19:12 |
| Arif_ | meh | 19:13 |
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| Arif_ | megaupload is slow:D | 19:13 |
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| toggles_w | lcuk: nice on the theme, thansk | 19:13 |
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| DrGrov | lcuk: the graffiti theme you see was called Eevil"something"? | 19:18 |
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| DrGrov | Anyone has news on Enlightenment 17 for N900? Anyone manage to compile XMMS from source for the N900? | 19:28 |
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| Myrtti | xmms? why on earth would you want xmms? | 19:30 |
| Myrtti | DrGrov: have you checked the calendar lately, it's 2010 | 19:31 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: you trying to be a smartass? | 19:31 |
| Shapeshifter | linux is about choice ^^ | 19:32 |
| Myrtti | DrGrov: yes. but seriously, xmms has been dropped from debian years ago, since it uses gtk1 and there are gtk2 forks of it available, such as beep and audacious | 19:32 |
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| Myrtti | so I'm just wondering is there a specific reason that you'd really, REALLY want specifically XMMS | 19:33 |
| Lumpio- | Hey, I still use punched cards and no matter what you say is going to change that fact! | 19:33 |
| satmd | me too | 19:33 |
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| satmd | please... xmms is dead, leave it there | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | megaupload is weird | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | some files download at 200KB/s | 19:33 |
| Arif_ | and others at 3MB/s :D | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: megaupload is the shit. | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | don't use it. | 19:34 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: You got my answer in Finnish in a PM. | 19:34 |
| satmd | audacious is a xmms fork with gtk2 | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | I can't find RS mirrors | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | same goes for pastebin.com and imageshack.us btw. They all suck and need to die. | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: rs mirrors? | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | of the files I want | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | rapidshare :p | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | (rapidshare also sucks) | 19:34 |
| Lumpio- | ...rapidshare is equally shit | 19:34 |
| Arif_ | RS premium | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | \o/ | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | *rolleyes | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | paying for illegal stuff | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | paying? | 19:35 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 19:35 |
| Shapeshifter | free pirated stuff > paid-for pirated stuff on a moral level. | 19:36 |
| DrGrov | So, anyone *have* any news regarding Enlightenment 17? | 19:36 |
| * Arif_ doesn't pay for his RS account.... | 19:36 | |
| Shapeshifter | then what does premium stand for? | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | well | 19:36 |
| Arif_ | you're supposed to pay :p | 19:37 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: perhaps using XMMS is my choice and I'm pretty sure someone else also uses XMMS. That is one of the main reasons I go from Windows -> Linux OS's since there is always a choice for what to use and no one can tell me what to use and what not to use. And that is a fact. | 19:37 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: so you'r basically pirating the ability to download pirated material? xD | 19:37 |
| Arif_ | pretty much =D | 19:37 |
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| * Shapeshifter <3 torrents | 19:37 | |
| * Arif_ has a free seedbox which expires in april | 19:38 | |
| Myrtti | DrGrov: I don't deny your right to use XMMS, I'm just suggesting that there might be better options that might also be easier to compile on the N900. | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | .... | 19:38 |
| Arif_ | I seem to be a freeloader on about everything | 19:39 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:39 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: ah then I must give something else a go if it is easier to compile for the N900. | 19:39 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: I don't have the energy to keep messing around with something which takes a bit too much time since there is none available atm. | 19:40 |
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| lantizia | I know Maemo 6 will have Qt integration... what are the odd's it'll run Plasma or be able to handle Plasmoids? | 19:42 |
| DrGrov | how the hell do I change my phone date and time format? | 19:43 |
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| Myrtti | the disclaimer here is though: I know next to nothing about compiling, even less about compiling to N900. But knowing that gtk1 is Old™ and that Debian hasn't supported XMMS partially because of that is a tell tale sign that you might encounter problems with it on N900 | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | lantizia: lmao | 19:43 |
| DrGrov | I have the region set as Finnish but language as Swedish and I get it in the format yyyy.mm.dd | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | lantizia: good idea though. | 19:43 |
| DrGrov | i want it in dd.mm.yyyy | 19:43 |
| DrGrov | or dd.mm.yy | 19:44 |
| DrGrov | it is even possible? | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | LiraNuna: if you port all the dependencies plasma has, it'll run no doubt. Afaik, kde already works fine on ARM. | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | LiraNuna: oops nevermind | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | lantizia: ^ | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: define possible | 19:44 |
| timeless_mbp | if you hack the localization, you can do anything you like | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | lantizia: afaik, luke-jr is running it on ARM. | 19:44 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: no | 19:44 |
| lantizia | Shapeshifter: LiraNuna: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/blogs/2010/03/16/bossa-conference10-and-plasma-mobile/ | 19:45 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: it is strange, if change my language to Finnish I get it right but I want Swedish and the dd.mm.yyyy | 19:45 |
| Shapeshifter | lantizia: :D | 19:45 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: perhaps time to hack it then ;) | 19:45 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: FAILNOKIA managed to entirely clobber the date format thing, you can't change it with less than changing your language it is hardcoded | 19:45 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: as i said, if you're willing to hack the localization it's possible | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | lantizia: I run KDE 4.3 on my N810 | 19:46 |
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| * satmd wants to add that audacious feels and looks the same as xmms, you can call it their successor (it even supports the same plugins and themes) | 19:46 | |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO HACK ANYTHING FOR THIS | 19:46 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: really, I get so so SO upset over this. | 19:46 |
| lantizia | thiago: I think theres too many "widget" format already... at least plasma attempts to be compatible with itself, karabama, google, and apple's | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: i shouldn't have to call nokia care | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | but here i am trying to call them | 19:46 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: check _any other phone nokia ever released_ | 19:46 |
| Arif_ | why doesn't Nokia just let you set the damn format yourself | 19:46 |
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| Arif_ | like in ALL THEIR OTHER PHONES | 19:46 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:46 |
| tybollt | arif++++++++++++++++++++++ | 19:47 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: well i will be god damn pissed with this date and time settings. god freaking damn | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | you lot have problems... | 19:47 |
| lantizia | luke-jr: think I could run Mer with KDE 4.3 on the N900 and have full phone functionality? :D | 19:47 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: yes, yes we all are | 19:47 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: i will call nokia care and tell them that wtf is this all about? | 19:47 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: it is quite fricken insane. | 19:47 |
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| luke-jr | lantizia: Mer != KDE 4.3 | 19:47 |
| Arif_ | nokia care will tell you to gtfo | 19:47 |
| Arif_ | =} | 19:47 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: nokia care will not care | 19:47 |
| timeless_mbp | Arif_: the other things don't run linux | 19:47 |
| luke-jr | lantizia: get me a N900 and I'll get Gentoo and KDE 4.3 running | 19:47 |
| lantizia | luke-jr: are you vulcan? | 19:47 |
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| luke-jr | lantizia: Vulcan? | 19:48 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: trust me, when i call them they will know that the fuc*** up | 19:48 |
| tybollt | :D | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | so? | 19:48 |
| lantizia | luke-jr: yeah, a race in star trek who speak the obvious all too often | 19:48 |
| Arif_ | linux is inferior to symbian? | 19:48 |
| lantizia | luke-jr: I know Mer isn't KDE | 19:48 |
| luke-jr | lantizia: Mer is defined by its UI, as far as I'm concerned. | 19:48 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: I think the main problem is ... Nookla does not give a flying fuck, they sold the entire thing to intel instead ;) | 19:48 |
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| luke-jr | it wouldn't be Mer anymore if you ran KDE | 19:48 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: and intel is awesome | 19:48 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: that's why meego will be awesome | 19:49 |
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| lantizia | debatable | 19:49 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: no no, I have managed to get some feedback for the N97 that they implemented for the N97 later on. Seems like many people said this same thing. | 19:49 |
| lantizia | tybollt: i feel your pain :) | 19:49 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: Now I'm calling you fanboi and you will call me troll ;) | 19:49 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: :D | 19:49 |
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| DrGrov | tybollt: they give a flying fuck once I get my hands on them | 19:49 |
| Arif_ | DrGrov, they actually listened to you? :P | 19:49 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: they had no choice. I told them how the situation is and my fucking damn, they listened... at least it seems like they listened. | 19:50 |
| Arif_ | heh | 19:50 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: I keep saying the same thing over and over and over again until *I* get what I want. I'm a stubborn SOB | 19:50 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: lol | 19:51 |
| Arif_ | sounds familiar | 19:51 |
| Arif_ | :D | 19:51 |
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| DrGrov | Arif_: I mean, if Nokia says that they *can't* do anything about the locale settings for the N900 then I ask. You don't want or can't for example? Always a new type of Q&A already. | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: all I know is that my intel "iwl" wireless open source drivers work, my intel GMA945 linux open source graphics drivers work and that they made KMS and DRI2 for it. | 19:53 |
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| DrGrov | Arif_: God damn I crave for Enlightenment 16 or 17 for the N900.... | 19:53 |
| * DrGrov is drooling over the keyboard | 19:53 | |
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| Arif_ | port it | 19:53 |
| Arif_ | ! | 19:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: i'm currently talking to nokia care | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ | 19:54 |
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| microlith | Shapeshifter: too bad the intel graphics adaptors suck :/ | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: apparently enlightenment is sorta-running for ARM already | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: you're encouraged to contact them | 19:55 |
| Shapeshifter | microlith: for mobile purposes they're not that bad. Anything faster sucks more energy. | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and note that i am indeed taking my own advice | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm suffering for it | 19:55 |
| microlith | oh cool, apparently we ordered 4 at&t compatible nexus ones | 19:56 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: google "linux + poulsbo"... that's an epic intel FAIL if I ever saw one : | 19:56 |
| microlith | tybollt: amusingly, that graphics chip is essentially a PowerVR chip | 19:56 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: indeed that's epic fail ^^ | 19:56 |
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| tybollt | microlith: I know :) | 19:56 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: I must admit I think I'm pretty lucky with gma945. iirc, 845 drivers weren't brilliant either | 19:57 |
| Shapeshifter | same for the 465 | 19:57 |
| tybollt | microlith: I am very much aware of that :) | 19:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | uhm 965 I meant | 19:57 |
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| ml-mobile | mmm | 19:58 |
| ml-mobile | stupid WAN failures | 19:58 |
| tybollt | yeah | 19:58 |
| tybollt | and wlan | 19:58 |
| thresh | intel linux graphics were complete FAIL till maybe a year | 19:58 |
| thresh | drivers i mean | 19:59 |
| tybollt | I find that when connected to my home wlan for a longer period of time it stops working | 19:59 |
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| tybollt | thresh: sure | 19:59 |
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| Shapeshifter | thresh: nah. this gma945 is three years old and I never had any problems. It only got better every few months | 19:59 |
| thresh | yeah yeah yeah. tell me about it. | 19:59 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: my wlan is also fine. iwl3945. but I think I'm lucky there as well. | 19:59 |
| thresh | X were unable to set proper DPI for a year | 19:59 |
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| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: ah, any luck? | 20:01 |
| Arif_ | mm | 20:01 |
| Arif_ | picodrive update | 20:01 |
| Arif_ | a changelog would be nice | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: with nokia care? | 20:01 |
| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: Thanks for the information, I will check what is happening. | 20:01 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: yeah. | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: i've already written my own localizations | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i have an engb and an enus | 20:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: luck isn't something nokia care encourages | 20:02 |
| * Trizt likes the engb | 20:03 | |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: that image is beautiful, http://www.linuxuk.org/images/ARM-UNE-Default-Screenshot.jpg | 20:03 |
| thresh | aww mplayer icon is ugly | 20:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: well matter of taste ;) | 20:06 |
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| pupnik | picodrive is fUN | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: i think skype lost my call :( | 20:09 |
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| DrGrov | Now when my Conversations and Phone is not opening up from the desktop I wonder can I safely switch the power off when there is nothing open when I press the menu button? | 20:10 |
| DrGrov | I am a bit scared of losing any contacts or such... :/ | 20:10 |
| pupnik | what? | 20:10 |
| DrGrov | I mean if it is running in the background still but not visible... | 20:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: apps should be reasonably well behaved | 20:11 |
| timeless_mbp | we have testers who in theory are not as well behaved and are responsible for ensuring the apps tolerate abusive users | 20:12 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: ok, so I open them from the menu and then I close them down and power off? | 20:12 |
| timeless_mbp | in general even using the power button and pressing turn off or whatever should be relatively safe | 20:12 |
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| tybollt | pupnik: picodrive?? | 20:13 |
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| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: ok, so just wait and check what happens if it opens the conversations and phone shortcuts and then close them down? | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: most of the apps use sqlite databases which have a journal which should protect against general dataloss | 20:15 |
| timeless_mbp | you could if you try hard enough lose the last couple of transactions | 20:15 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: i am getting frustrated here | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | but in general, in theory, you shouldn't lose much more | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not going to make promises | 20:16 |
| DrGrov | ah god fucking damn! | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | that'd be incredibly stupid of me | 20:16 |
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| DrGrov | now when I click the desktop icons of phone and conversations they open | 20:16 |
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| DrGrov | about god damn time something happened LOL | 20:16 |
| timeless_mbp | http://ha.ckers.org/blog/20070803/mozilla-says-ten-fucking-days | 20:16 |
| DrGrov | so now i open them and close them and then power off.? right? | 20:17 |
| DrGrov | so now nothing should be running in the backgrounds once I close them, right? | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | lots of things run in the background ;-) | 20:17 |
| DrGrov | i am fucking stressed now with this... | 20:17 |
| timeless_mbp | but nothing interesting should care about you turning it off if it's running in the background | 20:18 |
| DrGrov | i need to know that i don't lose anything | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | you shouldn't | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | if you do, file a bug | 20:18 |
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| timeless_mbp | however, i'm not going to make such a promise | 20:18 |
| DrGrov | mainly i only care about my current contacts that they are intact | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | making promises is a bad idea | 20:18 |
| MiXu- | DrGrov: Make a backup. | 20:18 |
| timeless_mbp | so make a backup :) | 20:18 |
| MiXu- | I've never seen any data get lost on power loss, unless it was something that was currently being edited, etc. | 20:19 |
| DrGrov | otherwise i am not scared about... make a backup? ah yes, but i have a perfect backup actually which I take when I made all my contacts, settings and things as I want | 20:19 |
| MiXu- | And I've done lots and lots of power loss testing. | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, my n900 ran out of power 3 times today | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | afaict it didn't mind at all | 20:19 |
| DrGrov | ah, it seems like when the phone has automatic lock the desktop "freezes" and takes long for the desktop shortcuts to open up | 20:19 |
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| DrGrov | ah, i will close down the automatic keylock after inactivity and sort of fix it hopefully with that | 20:20 |
| MiXu- | DrGrov: Yes, it does that when it's on for a long time without a reboot :P | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: ( we have abusive testers ) meeememememe! I wanna be one of that number :-) | 20:20 |
| Trizt | when mentioning, my original batter holds power less than the extra battery I bought | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: ah thanks for the help :) i will switch the automatic keylock off. i like things manual | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: trust me, you don't | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 20:20 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: so it should help when I disable the automatic keylock? | 20:21 |
| MiXu- | DrGrov: No. It helps when you reboot. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | are they held in a cage in the second floor below ground? | 20:21 |
| MiXu- | Hopefully PR1.2 will improve things. | 20:21 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: according to the menu what I have for checking multitasking nothing is running. It opens the menu normally | 20:21 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: ok, just a plain reboot then ;) but not taking out the battery LOL | 20:22 |
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| MiXu- | Yeah | 20:22 |
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| MiXu- | You won't lose anything even if you pull out the battery. | 20:22 |
| MiXu- | But it's not necessary, so why would you. :) | 20:22 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: so then when it opens the menu normally and not having anything in the background I will not lose anything? | 20:22 |
| MiXu- | Yeah | 20:23 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: yeah true, why take out the battery... LOL | 20:23 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: are you using desktop execution widgets? | 20:23 |
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| DrGrov | Shapeshifter: I use Contacts, Phone, my fiancee shortcut on the desktop | 20:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | well then nevermind | 20:23 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: ok, here goes. nothing in the multitasking, just a normal menu. | 20:24 |
| MiXu- | Yep. Don't worry. | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | though "freezing" of the desktop is definetely not normal. It happens only when one of the widgets is taking a long time for something as everything is one thread | 20:24 |
| Shapeshifter | (e.g. desktop exectuion widget stuff) | 20:24 |
| Trizt | Shapeshifter; what did you think of saying? I begun to use it recently | 20:24 |
| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: My device gets to a point where stuff freeze for a while. | 20:24 |
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| MiXu- | If it's been long since last reboot | 20:24 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: it has been 2-2,5 days since last reboot | 20:25 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: ok, power is off. now rebooting | 20:25 |
| N900evil | 18:25:31 up 5 days, 4:09, load average: 0.25, 0.14, 0.06 | 20:25 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. That's not very long. Hopefully reboot solves your problem. | 20:25 |
| N900evil | wfm | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Trizt: as said above, desktop execution widget can "freeze" the desktop when a command takes a long time. e.g. getting the "external" IP might require seconds or longer. in that time, the desktop is pretty much frozen | 20:25 |
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| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: You don't need desktop widgets to get some of that freezing. | 20:26 |
| Trizt | Shapeshifter; roger, I have just battery checks, update only on request | 20:26 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: it seems like it became more responsive now again after I opened the Phone and Conversations from the desktop a few times... Sort of a hibernate state? | 20:26 |
| MiXu- | General usage makes the device slower gradually. | 20:26 |
| MiXu- | And reboot helps. | 20:26 |
| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: any widget that does stuff freezes the desktop. | 20:26 |
| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: why do you think that is? that's not very linuxy | 20:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | and it shouldn't be. | 20:27 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: any need for me to check the Contacts if I lost anything? | 20:27 |
| Trizt | Shapeshifter; the only thing I hate is the damn hildon-thumbnail, it seems to get running from time to time and takes 100% cpu power | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | (and I don't notice anything after 7d uptime, not very long, yeah) | 20:27 |
| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: I don't know what's the root cause. | 20:27 |
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| MiXu- | DrGrov: No. Rebooting is normal and you don't have to worry about it. | 20:27 |
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| DrGrov | MiXu-: ah good, on the S60 platform I wasn't nearly this freaked out about losing information... I had some painful memories on my desktop computer with Linux on and shit hit the fan literally | 20:28 |
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| MiXu- | Shapeshifter: And as interesting the topic is, I don't really want to go to details, since I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to say. | 20:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | MiXu-: ohh, sneaky | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | freezing for a few (dozen) seconds is quite common on heavy swapping | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you shouldn't place your linux server next to the toilet ;-P | 20:33 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, LOL | 20:33 |
| dmj726_n900 | can be longer on a slow machine | 20:33 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: no, damn no :) LOL | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | DrGrov: you said literally | 20:34 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: it was a bit of PITA. Yeah, literally but not so literally as shit *actually* coming through the computer or so. LOL | 20:34 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: not even close :D | 20:35 |
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| mece | wait what channel is this?? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | #muano | 20:36 |
| mece | lol | 20:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | does microb have any support for the video tag? | 20:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | dmj726_n900: afaik no | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | not today | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | when the fremantle project was set up... | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia lawyers and managers didn't really agree with some of the requirements gecko had to play video | 20:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | and there wasn't an implemented alternative | 20:37 |
| timeless_mbp | there is ongoing work on the alternative | 20:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | and for harmattan, the lawyers/managers have supposedly changed their minds | 20:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | dmj726_n900: but you can use Firefox for Mobile! | 20:38 |
| dmj726_n900 | ah cool...makes me want harmattan on my n900 | 20:38 |
| timeless_mbp | i think Firefox for Mobile will give you 2 or 3 (video) frames per second | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | (on your n900) | 20:39 |
| cehteh | hehe | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | note that management generally objects to features which demo poorly | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | that would qualify | 20:39 |
| dmj726_n900 | wonder why its so slow | 20:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | my numbers could be wrong, i don't use it | 20:40 |
| dmj726_n900 | i noticed it was slow in iceweasel | 20:40 |
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| ShadowJK | probably pushed to screen in RGB | 20:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so, one of the things to keep in mind is that ogg in Firefox for Mobile 1.0 doesn't use the DSP | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | which places it at a comparative disadvantage to video players which do use it | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a real pitty | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | Well... theora on DSP was "almost realtime at 640x480" iirc ;) | 20:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | i believe there's now an (perhaps not quite finalized) ogg codec for the n900's DSP | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | which would enable some future product to take advantage of that | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | but afaiu it wasn't in 1.0 | 20:42 |
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| ShadowJK | ogg is a container. vorbis is an audio codec. theora is a video codec. :P | 20:43 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, Hi, please can you take a look at bug #9608 and bug #9494 ... if you developpers use extras repository ... | 20:43 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9608 Wrong bugtracker link | 20:43 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9494 Old icon is displayed instead of the new one | 20:43 |
| Khertan | X-Fade, Hi, please can you take a look at bug #9608 and bug #9494 ... if you want developpers use extras repository ... | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | note that my understanding of what's in / out or the perf characteristics of Firefox for Mobile is very very poor | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | so please please don't quote me on any of that | 20:43 |
| timeless_mbp | check for yourself, try it for yourself | 20:43 |
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| * andrewfblack wonders about fiferboy he was helping me with some programs but has been gone from all communitcations for like 2 weeks | 20:44 | |
| mece | are you frakking kidding me? Do I actually have to manually copy the RGB values from a pixbuf to convert from RGBA to RGB?!?!? | 20:45 |
| mece | There has to be a better way. | 20:45 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 20:45 |
| Arif_ | sygic works quite well | 20:45 |
| mece | Arif_, how well? | 20:45 |
| Arif_ | it locks in 10 seconds inside my house | 20:46 |
| mece | Arif_, are we talking proper navigator - well? | 20:46 |
| mece | oh ok. | 20:46 |
| Arif_ | I walked around with it outside for a bit | 20:46 |
| Arif_ | =D | 20:46 |
| Arif_ | I didn't test it properly in a car though | 20:46 |
| mece | Arif_, are you beta testing it? | 20:47 |
| Arif_ | ...no | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: use a xerox | 20:47 |
| Arif_ | you can buy it now.. | 20:47 |
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| tybollt | Arif_: does it do turn by turn? | 20:48 |
| Arif_ | yea | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | with voices | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | there's even a Turkish woman talking :D | 20:49 |
| tybollt | awesome | 20:49 |
| Arif_ | the map colors are a bit weird | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | =D | 20:50 |
| Arif_ | since when are roads black? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, i might actually buy that | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? buy what? | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | Sygic | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | sygic http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/03/18/sygic-finally-launches-first-turn-by-turn-navigation-app-for-nokia-n900.html | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | video helps :P | 20:51 |
| Arif_ | uhm | 20:52 |
| Arif_ | whats that pointer doing on the video? | 20:52 |
| tybollt | OTOH that is paying for what millions of nokia-users get free of charge how FAIL is that? | 20:52 |
| Arif_ | no no | 20:52 |
| jaska | indeed | 20:52 |
| Arif_ | Nokia users are getting Ovi maps for free | 20:52 |
| Arif_ | and Moogo users will too apparently | 20:53 |
| Arif_ | Nokia's basically telling Moomo users to go fuck themselves | 20:53 |
| Arif_ | =) | 20:53 |
| tybollt | nokia users are getting turn by turn _free_ mongoo users do not :) | 20:53 |
| tybollt | Arif_: that is correct | 20:53 |
| tybollt | they are :) | 20:53 |
| Arif_ | I have an N95 8GB though | 20:54 |
| Arif_ | :D | 20:54 |
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| Arif_ | I want a 5800 with a bigger screen | 20:55 |
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| Arif_ | my maps dont look anythinglike those in the video | 20:58 |
| Arif_ | they're all dark ehre | 20:58 |
| Kaadlajk | night mode? | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't be worse than route66 | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I survived that one :-P | 21:01 |
| Arif_ | I liked garmin on S60 | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | LMFAO WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. | 21:01 |
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| Arif_ | MohammadAG, lolwut | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, doing an e2fsck on the MMC (it went corrupt) | 21:01 |
| Myrtti | kekekeke | 21:02 |
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| Arif_ | lol | 21:02 |
| Arif_ | unmount ftw? | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | it called me a bonehead :( | 21:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles evily | 21:02 | |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, umount* | 21:02 |
| Arif_ | you should've taken off the battery cover first! :P | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | orly? that was what I was doing! | 21:02 |
| Myrtti | *chuckle* | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, I hate the battery cover thing | 21:03 |
| Arif_ | you didn't take it off properly! :P | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | thinking about adding Unmount MicroSD in the power button menu (systemui) | 21:03 |
| mece | Arif_, how's the map scrolling in sygic? | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | pretty smooth | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | but | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | was sygic released? | 21:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer heard the only correct way to take battery cover off is to drop the device from 5th floor to concrete pavement | 21:04 | |
| Arif_ | I haven't used it in a car | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | so can't say for sure | 21:04 |
| mece | Arif_, I mean if you manually scroll | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | ah | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, should try that sometime... | 21:04 |
| Arif_ | good :D | 21:04 |
| mece | because scrolling ovi maps makes me cry | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the manual doesn't say that! | 21:05 |
| Arif_ | it turns smoothly too if I spin in circles :p | 21:05 |
| mece | Arif_, cool | 21:05 |
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| mece | Arif_, so all in all seems like a quality product? | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, when was it released? | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | this is getting annoying, I'm blaming the programming language now | 21:06 |
| Arif_ | dunno, I saw it today | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK! | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM. | 21:06 |
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| thresh | yeah nice bug | 21:06 |
| mece | LOL | 21:06 |
| Arif_ | mece, I heard it lags when you drive | 21:06 |
| Arif_ | so can't say for sure | 21:06 |
| Arif_ | :D | 21:06 |
| mece | launched todat apparently | 21:06 |
| mece | today | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: ovimaps scrolling a a gashead. It rerenders all streetnames vor each pixel of movement | 21:07 |
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| mece | DocScrutinizer, is that what causes the problem? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess yes | 21:07 |
| mece | lemme check. | 21:08 |
| Arif_ | I already found a problem though | 21:09 |
| Arif_ | the set language isn't remembered | 21:09 |
| Arif_ | it defaults to English all the time | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | report as a bug? | 21:10 |
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| aSIMULAtor | is there going to be a better qrcode reader out for the n900 other than mbarcode | 21:11 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 21:13 |
| Arif_ | all the setings reset when you close sygic :D | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | bummer, no israel maps for sygic | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, maybe your /home/user directory is corrupt :p | 21:13 |
| Arif_ | I don't do funky stuff with that folder | 21:14 |
| Arif_ | :p | 21:14 |
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| MohammadAG | thinking about formatting my MMC and screwing fsck | 21:16 |
| * microlith sighs as browserd dies again | 21:16 | |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, mkfs.ext3 is the command to format into ext3 right? | 21:18 |
| Arif_ | no idea | 21:18 |
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| Arif_ | Windows doesn't support that ;D | 21:18 |
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| MohammadAG | Arif_, and I care because? :p | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | screw windows | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | I use my card to boot a non accelerated OS (mer) | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | really need to install LXDE as the hildon window manager is slow | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | This filesystem will be automatically checked every 22 mounts or | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG | I'll unmount it more than 222 times in 180 days | 21:21 |
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| Stskeeps | oh, maemo was accepted for gsoc | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 21:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what about meego? | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | maemo dot org, that is | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: think noone pushed for it, as there wasn't much of an established project at the time | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, flasher (on the N900 itself) can flash the zImage right? | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | (some might argue there isn't even now) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aiui yes | 21:25 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, --local doesn't work :( | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# flasher --local -k /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/zImage -f -R | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | flasher v2.8.2 (Jan 18 2010) | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | Could not connect to '127.0.0.1' | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | .. --local? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:26 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, without it Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 21:27 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if there's an area of maemo he didn't explore yet | 21:27 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's a relatively new feature | 21:27 |
| timeless_mbp | iiuc | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there is some initscript or somesuch than uses a script that uses flasher --local to OTA SSU the kernel | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a poorly implemented hack actually | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so it can't flash it without installing a package? | 21:31 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: http://pastie.org/875974 | 21:32 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: any suggestions? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I don't think it's related to packages. But obviously it's a little tricky to flash a kernel from within a system. I guess the have a hook in initrd or something | 21:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ever heard of kexec? ;) | 21:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I heard it doesn't work on maemo. No idea if that's been rant or correct info | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't work at the moment | 21:34 |
| Shapeshifter | one can be lucky if it works anywhere | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, in .32-33 it does but :P | 21:34 |
| Shapeshifter | and doesn't eat the system alive instead | 21:34 |
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| microlith | o_o | 21:39 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: any suggestions for the alarmed cli options? Apart from the regular stuff, I'll make it possible to supply a cron-like string. i.e. alarmed.py -Cc '2 20 * * *' | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 21:40 |
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| MohammadAG | Installed this, hope it actually does something, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=568594 | 21:40 |
| Shapeshifter | brb | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'd replace --next and --tomorrow by a datestring analog to info:/coreutils/Date input formats | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yeah, the cronlike stuff is ubercute | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: (replace --next) --date "next friday"; --date "now + 10 minutes" | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | device seems snappier, not sure if it's just human psychology | 21:45 |
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| mikhas | snappier? what did I miss? | 21:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mhh | 21:55 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I didn't know date had such input string parsing | 21:57 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: nota bene for date "fri" is now + 2 day, while "next fri" is now + 9 days | 21:57 |
| Arif_ | sygic's sounds are in the media player | 21:57 |
| Arif_ | =D | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 and 8 actually | 21:58 |
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| marcus_ | Heya guys. | 21:58 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mhh | 21:58 |
| marcus_ | Would you guys still say it's worth buying a N900, or should I wait for the next version of N? | 21:59 |
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| marcus_ | The main thing is: Will there be more restrictions in the next platform, MeeGo, than there is now? So you can't mess with it as much. | 21:59 |
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| C-S-B | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=572350#post572350 | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | marcus_: maemo5 is still a cool os | 22:00 |
| Arif_ | why would you want an n900 | 22:00 |
| mikhas | marcus_, you want to get the n900 because you fear meego would be more restrictive? | 22:00 |
| C-S-B | why wouldnt you? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | marcus_: and MeeGo is supposed to be fully open source in the core, maybe with some closed differentiation on top and hardware | 22:00 |
| marcus_ | mikhas: Yes. In restrictions I mean the terminal etc. | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | it can't be worse, for sure | 22:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: w00t there's python2.5-dateutil in the repos. that makes this proposal very easy to implement :) | 22:01 |
| marcus_ | Any idea when MeeGo will be released? | 22:01 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps will make sure that Meego 1ups Mer, so I am not afraid | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: hooray :-)) | 22:01 |
| C-S-B | anyone find the network connection flakey sometimes? | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | marcus_: day one is approaching | 22:01 |
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| C-S-B | I'm wondering if its the power management | 22:02 |
| marcus_ | Stskeeps: So recommend me to wait a while and save the money till then? | 22:02 |
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| marcus_ | As of now, the n900 looks like a pleasure to me, but if there is coming something better up soon, that would probably be worth waiting for. | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | marcus_: jeg elsker min n900, saa det kan jeg ikke anbefale :) - tror ikke der er ny hardware ud lige pt | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I'm missing an option to *not* trigger an alarm if the device isn't powered up | 22:03 |
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| marcus_ | Stskeeps: Haha, super (: Må hellere spare sammen så. Elsker det at man kan programmere sit eget på den. | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | marcus_: the n900's a computer so treat it as such :P | 22:03 |
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| marcus_ | Stskeeps: When did you get yours? :P | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, production one? at maemo summit | 22:04 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I don't see anything to make that possible in pymaemo. | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: a shame | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | (october) | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | can't live without it now :P | 22:04 |
| marcus_ | Stskeeps: Haha (: What if I am only able to purchase one in 2-3 months, still worth it? (Hopefully the price will be a few kroners less then). | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here :-P | 22:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I really don't get what the pymaemo people were doing when they made these bindings | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | marcus_: I'll try to get a (spare) N900 before any successor rolls out and possibly the N900 will be discontinued | 22:06 |
| Shapeshifter | 1/3 of the options are missing although it's almost trivial to include them | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yeah :-S | 22:07 |
| Shapeshifter | marcus_: if you care about resistive screens, get one, they're a dying race :( | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | id.... erhrrm | 22:07 |
| marcus_ | DocScrutinizer: The thing is though, even if it's discontinued by Nokia, it would still be able to be modified by the users because of it's open'ness. | 22:07 |
| marcus_ | Shapeshifter: What are the new ones then? | 22:07 |
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| MohammadAG | capacitive :/ | 22:07 |
| Shapeshifter | marcus_: capacitive. the glassy smooth ones that are inaccurate | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | marcus_: I'm talking about the N900 physical device aka hardware | 22:08 |
| marcus_ | Shapeshifter: Why would you get an inaccurate one, when you can get the accurates one? :P | 22:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | marcus_: capacitive is more inaccuare then resistive, and resistive ones are almost gone. | 22:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | marienz: n900 successor is very likely to be capacitive. | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would you want to wait for N900++ then, on that very reason? | 22:09 |
| Moller | DocScrutinizer: Good point indeed. | 22:09 |
| Mece_ | capacitive sucks balls. | 22:09 |
| Moller | I oughta get a n900. I'm tired of my W810i. | 22:09 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I said he should _get an n900 now_ instead of waiting if he cares about resistive. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yes, wasn't addressed to you | 22:10 |
| Moller | Shapeshifter: Are you saying that the n900 will be using capacitive some day? | 22:10 |
| Mece_ | nonono | 22:10 |
| Moller | Goodie. | 22:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | Moller: no, how should that work. nokia will knock on your door, grab your n900, rip the screen out and put a capacitive one in? | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | that'd be leet though | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:11 |
| Mece_ | I hate when that happens. | 22:11 |
| Moller | Shapeshifter: Nope, but stop selling the ones with resistive (: | 22:11 |
| Moller | Indeed :P | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Moller: I'll try to get a (spare) N900 before any successor rolls out and possibly the N900 will be discontinued | 22:11 |
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| Mece_ | I want an extra one too | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want 3 | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | i want one for development | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh. the n900 is all but perfect. I think sooner or later there will be a device equally okay. | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | i just want a slate, really | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | in varying sizes and functionalities | 22:14 |
| * Stskeeps looks at his collection | 22:15 | |
| Mece_ | lol | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | 2-3 dead 770's, 2x n800, 1x n810, 1x freerunner, 1x zoom2 devel kit, 1x joggler, 1x smartq.. | 22:16 |
| Mece_ | I just have this one. and I keep dropping it. | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | and a n900 obviously | 22:16 |
| pupnik | wow | 22:16 |
| * Stskeeps wonders what else he has | 22:16 | |
| Mece_ | I have an ngage. | 22:16 |
| Moller | BTW: How about the keypad thingy. Can you write just as fast on it like any other phone with only 12 keys? | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | i'm quite good at it even with fat fingers | 22:16 |
| Mece_ | Moller, que? | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | you learn to use your thumbs nicely | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | Moller: not really keypad, keyboard | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:17 |
| Moller | Stskeeps: Ye, didn't really know what to call it :3 | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wooooohaaa a zoom-II ??? /me envy | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | nice device, but i need to spend more time on it | 22:18 |
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| Moller | Python<3 | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | ( http://www.logicpd.com/products/development-kits/texas-instruments-zoom%25E2%2584%25A2-omap34x-ii-mdp ) | 22:18 |
| Moller | ooh, pretty :p | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I got it the SD card is protruding ;-S | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I assume you also weren't able to get one with 3G ? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | unsure actually, there's a sim slot | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Moller: I get to about 25wpm or so with the n900 | 22:20 |
| Moller | SpeedEvil: WPM? | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | words per minute | 22:21 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: will probably put meego on it when day one arrives | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:21 |
| Moller | I guess that is nice? :P | 22:21 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if Moller does not make flying cars. | 22:21 | |
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| Moller | wonders how you guys do that... | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Moller: for a portable device - it's not bad - I think it's possible for me to hit about 35 if I stop looking at teh keyboard. | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I can hit about 90% accuracy if I don't look. | 22:22 |
| * Mece_ uses /me to emote | 22:22 | |
| SpeedEvil | Really need a smart autocorrector for that thoguh | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | Moller: i have strong suspicions the touchscreen on n900 is actually cocaine, as it's a horridly addictive device | 22:22 |
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| * Moller licks Mece_ | 22:23 | |
| Moller | Stskeeps: Don't make me mad I can't afford one yet. I'm only 16 years old, and earning like 100-150 dollars a month :P | 22:23 |
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| Mece_ | lol | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Moller: Have you considered a career in arms dealing? | 22:24 |
| Mece_ | Moller, well, borrow from mom | 22:24 |
| FredrIQ | [21:22:43] <SpeedEvil> I can hit about 90% accuracy if I don't look. | 22:24 |
| Moller | SpeedEvil: Nah, CBA. | 22:24 |
| FredrIQ | i can hit 98% without looking | 22:25 |
| FredrIQ | yay me | 22:25 |
| Moller | Mece_: That would mean I'd have to do the lawn a thousand times. Hah ;9 | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Fred: actually - it's more like 95% | 22:25 |
| FredrIQ | (i have small fingers though) | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Moller: I funded my n900 partially through a planned diet. | 22:25 |
| Moller | I GOT BLISTERS ON MA FINGERS | 22:25 |
| Moller | SpeedEvil: I was thinking the exact same thing! | 22:25 |
| Moller | SpeedEvil: Do you have a book or something? "How to get your n900 in a week using this diet!" | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Moller: subsidising it from savings in food budget by preplanning meals, and cooking in bulk lots of tasty cheap stuff and freezing. | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Moller: I have a wlog. | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/weight.gif | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | gnuplot? | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ++ | 22:26 |
| Moller | :P | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | N900 is great | 22:27 |
| Moller | It be better than sex mon. | 22:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil's favorite damn link. | 22:27 |
| SpeedEvil | (I found http://www.livestrong.com/myplate/ of some use) | 22:27 |
| * jacekowski is using hotel wifi without paying for it | 22:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I gotta get adwords setup on it. | 22:27 |
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| * Moller alarms the hotel about jacekowski's abuse | 22:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: i found out that ssh/tcp connections stay up after paying for 20 min time in helsinki airport.. that was most excellent | 22:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels hungry now... that's the result | 22:28 | |
| Stskeeps | of course you can't see web pages easily but :) | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | there is one thing about it thats annoying | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | Moller: re n900 future, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 22:29 |
| Moller | my school blocks websites by using the exact url name, and not the ip. | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | i'm in france (roaming) and i'm trying to make a photo with enabled geotagging | 22:29 |
| C-S-B | jacekowski, dns tunnel? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye | 22:29 |
| Moller | Stskeeps: I am worried by nature. | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | and it keeps asking me to connect to internet | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: #!/bin/bash | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh -v -N -D localhost:8888 speedevil@santrex | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: yes, -D is most excellent | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: where you replace the account with some account you have, then point the browser at teh socks proxy | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | is it possible to just stop it | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: i use that personally to watch hului | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:30 |
| C-S-B | you still cant change to socks without going to about:config which is a pain though | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | C-S-B: or using firefox | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | C-S-B: nah, just playing around with macchanger | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: actually, Linux Foundation is on there | 22:32 |
| C-S-B | jacekowski, assuming paid for account owners macs? | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:32 |
| C-S-B | jacekowski, lol, done that myself before. The guilt will kick in at one point. How are you deuthing the users? | 22:32 |
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| VDVsx | ah, we're in GSoC again :p | 22:32 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not going to pay 10 euro for a day of internet | 22:33 |
| C-S-B | thats cheap compared to what ive seen | 22:33 |
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| jacekowski | well it's little bit less than what i'm paying for a month at home | 22:34 |
| Moller | Does capacitive screens not last forever? On Wiki it says the durability is 2 years. | 22:35 |
| jacekowski | nothing lasts forever | 22:35 |
| Moller | jacekowski: "we both know hearts can change". November Rain by Guns N Roses (: | 22:36 |
| Moller | I have got to get me this | 22:36 |
| Moller | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Pointed_nail.png | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | depending on particular technology a c-ts might age more quickly than you'd like to think | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | but i'm amazed how they managed to getfast internet and electricity here | 22:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some of them use "frozen static charge" (dunno how to say it any better) | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | (tignes) | 22:40 |
| C-S-B | question guys, when ever I mount through sshfs or usb, i have to open nautilus with sudo ( or su user) in order to get write access. Any easier way to do this? Such as changing the username on my phone to match my laptop? | 22:40 |
| C-S-B | well username = uid | 22:40 |
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| satmd | ~/.ssh/config might help | 22:41 |
| C-S-B | satmd, is that for me? | 22:41 |
| satmd | yes | 22:41 |
| C-S-B | how would that help? | 22:41 |
| Mece_ | change username | 22:41 |
| satmd | you can store per connection settings | 22:41 |
| satmd | e.g. | 22:41 |
| satmd | Host IPOFN900 | 22:42 |
| C-S-B | the connection is fine. | 22:42 |
| satmd | User user | 22:42 |
| C-S-B | I understand .ssh/comnfig | 22:42 |
| satmd | k | 22:42 |
| C-S-B | What I mean is my laptops user cannot write to the fs so I have to run as root on my laptop | 22:42 |
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| C-S-B | mece any side effects? | 22:43 |
| C-S-B | Mece_, ^ | 22:43 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: linux foundation too, it looks like | 22:44 |
| Mece_ | C-S-B, well, you could just create a user for mounting I suppose? | 22:44 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup, that's normal | 22:44 |
| Mece_ | C-S-B, haven't tested. | 22:45 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, Qt and OE had bad luck :( | 22:45 |
| VDVsx | and transfix | 22:45 |
| C-S-B | Mece_ i have created a 'user' user which I can su to, but for ease, I'd like plug and play. | 22:46 |
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| Mece_ | hmm ok now I understand the problem | 22:46 |
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| Mece_ | C-S-B, but ok, cant you use another username for mounting? | 22:48 |
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| C-S-B | Mece_ that would mean su'ing everytime, it would be easier if my phone username matched my laptop | 22:50 |
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| Mece_ | C-S-B, are you mounting laptop on the N900? Im not sure I follow? | 22:52 |
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| C-S-B | Mece_ mount n900 on laptop either by usb or sshfs | 22:53 |
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| Mece_ | ok.. and you su... on the N900? | 22:53 |
| Mece_ | err | 22:54 |
| C-S-B | su on the laptop (well I normally just open nautillus with sudo) | 22:54 |
| C-S-B | and with a root nautilus open I can write to the n900 | 22:54 |
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| Mece_ | ok I c | 22:56 |
| satmd | that does sound like a bug on your os | 22:56 |
| satmd | you could check up sshfs's manpages, iirc they have settings regarding permissions | 22:57 |
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| satmd | and btw | 22:57 |
| satmd | nautilus can speak ssh natively | 22:57 |
| C-S-B | satmd, o rly? | 22:57 |
| satmd | sftp://user@ip/ | 22:58 |
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| Mece_ | ya. just type in the adressbar | 22:58 |
| Mece_ | I thought that is what you were doing. | 22:58 |
| satmd | and I just forgot until just now | 23:00 |
| Mece_ | the problem I think is caused by the fact that root mounts N900 as user, and non-root cant write to the mountpoint because files are owned by wrong user, no? | 23:00 |
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| C-S-B | ok, as a wireless solution the sftp thing works, but with a usb conection, I dont get write access by default. | 23:05 |
| C-S-B | suppose I can cope with sftp, I can always run root nautlis if I use usb, just seem a bit backward... | 23:06 |
| satmd | do you mount using /etc/fstab? | 23:08 |
| satmd | try adding an option user to the line and mount as a normal user | 23:08 |
| satmd | e.g. | 23:09 |
| satmd | user@127.0.0.2:/home/user /mnt/n900 sshfs user 0 0 | 23:09 |
| satmd | from my memory... probably needs lot of tweaking | 23:09 |
| satmd | haven't used sshfs in ages | 23:10 |
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| pupnik | it could be worse... | 23:12 |
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| Mece_ | pupnik, howto bypass pulse in mediaplayer plz? | 23:13 |
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| Mece_ | pupnik, any downsides? | 23:14 |
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| Otacon22 | when will be the next release of maemo with the wpa enterprise fix? | 23:17 |
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| Mece_ | pupnik? | 23:19 |
| cato` | Otacon22: I bet the answer to that question is "When its ready" | 23:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I bet it's not. | 23:24 |
| C-S-B | Otacon22, whats the prob? | 23:27 |
| C-S-B | I get network drops sometimes... | 23:27 |
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| Otacon22 | WPA2 EAP TLS does not work | 23:27 |
| Otacon22 | on N900 | 23:27 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: scratchbox "date" ftl | 23:27 |
| Otacon22 | i've already discussed about that here | 23:27 |
| pupnik | huhu | 23:28 |
| Otacon22 | and now i'm waiting for the fix in the next release | 23:28 |
| Shapeshifter | date -d 'now +1 hour' --> date: invalid date 'now +1 hour' | 23:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh and have I mentioned that ddate is missing? :> | 23:28 |
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| thresh | well it's probably date from busybox | 23:30 |
| thresh | what do you expect | 23:30 |
| * pupnik is annoyed by sound blips and skips in picodrive | 23:31 | |
| Shapeshifter | thresh: yeah that's what I said. oh no that wasn't what I said >.> I meant "busybox date ftl" | 23:31 |
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| thresh | :) | 23:32 |
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| Arif_ | pupnik, do you have that picodrive sometimes just freezes occasionally? | 23:36 |
| pupnik | not yet. sometimes it goes back to the main screen | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | hm | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | nope never had that | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | I can't adjust teh sound though | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | I have to go to the menu first | 23:38 |
| * Arif_ played through half of Sonic3&Knuckles | 23:39 | |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: and crap, the dateutils module doesn't do this sort of parsing either. Either I need to add coreutils as a dependency and use subprocess or parse it myself. | 23:40 |
| * MohammadAG likes that game | 23:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm al for coreutils. I hate busybox anyway | 23:42 |
| thresh | busybox is ok where it's needed. | 23:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah. It's good for minimsing per-proces pss | 23:44 |
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| pupnik | Arif_: isn't it pathetic how alike those games are? so little creativity, so much mee-too | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | what, sonic? :p | 23:45 |
| pupnik | that is a timeless classic | 23:45 |
| pupnik | just looking at others | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | they tried being different in Zelda 2 | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | didn't work | 23:45 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'll make it optional. people who have coreutils installed will be able to use that syntax :) | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | :D | 23:45 |
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| Shapeshifter | but where do the coreutils go anyway? Can't find them in /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin or /opt | 23:46 |
| Mece_ | sbin? | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | pupnik, if you want to see how they went "different" go look at how they fucked up Rock/MegaMan :D | 23:46 |
| Shapeshifter | oh. /usr/bin/gnu | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: great. I was too slow to suggest it K-) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: btw it's quite sad the whole scary bloated boostlib doesn't have anything like that | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | coreutils most will go to /bin, I guess | 23:57 |
| satmd | if you don't want things to become complicated, yes ;) | 23:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 ponders idly over mandb from lenny for maemo | 23:58 | |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: well I don't know about boost, but I'd not build on it anyway as luckily it will go away once shiboken comes out | 23:59 |
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