IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-03-15

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Arif_it will if it can't find any defined APNs00:00
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DrGrovArif_: ok, so it will choose my work WiFi tomorrow even though it is not in my list?00:01
Arif_if its unprotected it will00:01
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Arif_Klowner, Voda's deal is only 250MB for €1000:01
DrGrovso i will then do so that i switch it to ask manually00:01
Arif_other operators charge 2,50 a day00:01
DrGrovi am a bit concerned about the security, that is why i keep it ask always or.... should I just use WiFi even though it is unprotected?00:02
Klowner2,50/day for unlimited?00:02
DrGrovArif_: any need to be concerned about security problems when using a unprotected WiFi ?00:03
Arif_only if you're paranoid00:03
ShapeshifterDrGrov: yeah, all your data is sent unencrypted. use ssh tunneling or vpn to do stuff00:03
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Arif_there you go00:04
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ShapeshifterArif_: stealing passwords is common practice in open wlans. and its _extremely_ easy. a child can pull it off. just sit in starbugs and sniff a few packets.00:04
DrGrovShapeshifter: ok, so i will switch the internet connection settings to manually ask me each friggin' time :D00:04
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DrGrovShapeshifter: perhaps ask always is the way to go?00:05
Arif_we barely have any open wifi here in Dutchland00:05
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Arif_DrGrov, I had it set to that and got really annoyed after 4 hours :D00:05
DrGrovArif_: ok, but I will keep at home my WiFi constantly on when I select it manually first ;)00:06
ShapeshifterDrGrov: depends on what you need. I set it manually only. It's annoying when it switches to any open wlan, and I've got 3G turned off all the time anyway. When I get home and want to do anything special I switch to wlan. else I just leave it on GSM00:06
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DrGrovand for me it doesn't matter if my 3G is always on00:06
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Shapeshifter3G eats my battery alive.00:06
DrGrovShapeshifter: how do you mean "set it manually only" ? You can get the Internet connections to never try to connect?00:07
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Shapeshiftercan't get through a day (8:00->20:00) with 3G turned on and normal usage :(00:07
DrGrovShapeshifter: I keep my one also locked in 2G all the time00:07
gbraadDrGov: me neither00:07
DrGrovok, i will switch it to never asking00:08
ShapeshifterDrGrov: mhh, I mean "Always ask", yeah. I mean, it doesn't ask me at any time because I'm always connected anyway ;)00:08
DrGrovand manually select it00:08
KlownerArif_: when I get there I'll look around for a vodafone or t-mobile store, if it's as simple as asking them for a SIM with some credit and handing them some money I should be alright00:08
KlownerArif_: thanks for the insight :)00:08
Arif_np =}00:08
Arif_TMobile=2,50 a day 384Kbit00:08
Arif_Voda=250MB for €1000:08
Arif_but they're 3,6Mb00:08
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DrGrovShapeshifter: so it works like this... When i have it at "Always ask" then it is good since it doesn't connect anywhere. Then when I come home and open the web it will automatically use my home WiFi since the APN is set in Connections?00:09
ShapeshifterDrGrov: I think it wont switch to wlan automatically00:10
Shapeshifterawww crap. the libalarm python bindings aren't complete -.-00:11
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Shapeshiftereverything is crippled on this device. it doesn't even ship with ddate :P00:11
KlownerArif_: are those prices in addition to a "basic" SIM? or can I just tell them all I need is a SIM with 250MB data credit?00:12
Arif_I don't know how much credit there is at the start00:13
Arif_but you just send a text to a number to activate mobile internet00:13
Arif_given you have €10 credit on your sim00:13
Klowneroh ok, cool00:13
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Arif_stay away from Telfort/KPN/Hi btw00:15
Arif_they screw you over big time :D00:15
KlownerI've never even heard of them00:15
DrGrovok, i will fix it00:16
Klowneras long as vodafone and tmob work with my N90000:16
DrGrovShapeshifter: thanks for the help :)00:16
Arif_yeah stay with those00:16
DrGrovttyl guys, take care everyone00:16
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pupnikwho has figured how to add copy / paste to n900 terminal (not menu)00:33
pupnikctrl c/v foe eg00:33
kynkyctrl-c ctrl-v ?00:33
javispedroto be fair, C-c and C-v do not work even in gnome-terminal00:34
aepany idea how i can make the music player rescan for music?00:36
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javispedroaep: "tracker-processes -r" usually does the job00:37
aepaha thanks00:38
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pupnikjavispedro: my xterm maximises to fullscreen now00:39
pupnikwhich is nice but cannot paste anymore00:39
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javispedroif you're editing the osso-xterm source, you could add the cut/copy paste buttons to the bottom bar00:40
pupnikthere is no bar00:42
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ptlpupnik: how do you tab/esc/etc.?00:46
ptlon your modified osso-xterm00:46
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javispedropupnik: I mean the bottom toolbar, with the "select" button and all the virtual keys00:47
SpeedEvilI want full-screen xstroke on xterm00:47
pupniki killed the bottom toolbar and forgot how javispedro :)  whenever i go fullscreen i get fullscreen00:49
redpupnik: shift ctrl v?00:50
redthats atleast the default on gnome-terminal00:50
redhavent tested on the n900 one00:50
redor if you can access insert key somehow00:51
redthen shift+insert00:51
javispedrooh, I learnt something today.00:51
javispedro.. doesn't seem to work in osso-xterm though :P00:51
lcuk"don't eat the yellow snow?"00:51
javispedrohey lcuk00:51
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fralslo lcuk o/00:53
ptlxstroke is just gestures for x programs, isn't it?
lcukhey frals \o00:54
Arif_nice name...00:54
fralsyou got weird sleeping times for living in the uk00:54
ptl19:48 <SpeedEvil> I want full-screen xstroke on xterm00:54
ptlSpeedEvil wants it :P00:54
Arif_whatever floats his ....screen00:54
ptlwell, it seems to be fairly easy to port00:55
lcukfrals, i have had some horrid dental problems00:55
fralslcuk: oh, sucks :(00:55
lcukwhich made sleeping difficult00:55
* lcuk managed to see a dentist on sunday morning tho..00:55
SpeedEvilxstroke is simple00:56
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fralslcuk: getting better then :)00:58
fralsjust got a day off tomorrow instead of reporting my project... some nutjob threatned to go mental with a gun at my uni tomorrow00:59
lcukseems so, elephant pills + sleep make me happy00:59
SpeedEvilfrals: Ah - tor + voip - where would you be without it.00:59
javispedroone has to wonder if the guy might have a deadline tomorrow...01:00
javispedros/have/have _had_01:00
fralshehe, its exam week the coming week... ;)01:00
lcukwouldnt be so bad if he was in the rifle shooting class, but i bet thats not the case01:00
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lcukdid they catch the guy then frals01:01
lcukor is just a random warning01:01
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fralsmy uni got 4 different campuses spread over stockholm + suburbs thou and it didnt say which one was targeted01:02
fralsand since im at one of the minor ones im pretty sure its safe, but rather safe than sorry so im staying home :P01:02
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javispedrobonus points if they're kilometers apart01:03
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javispedro"the President"?01:04
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fralshaha, says the principal in the swedish version :p01:04
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javispedroah, I learnt two things today01:05
javispedro -- says calling it "the president" is somewhat common in the US01:05
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Klownerschool presidunt01:07
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zenjrHi, I'm currently trying to get some apps from devel and testing and those repositories seem offline... Is there any outage on the servers that host them?01:18
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t_s_omaemo repos down?01:34
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guysoft42er - was i banned in the channel?02:02
SpeedEvil(03/15/2010 12:01:21 AM) guysoft22 left the room.02:02
guysoft42because guysoft22 can't type here :-/02:02
SpeedEvil(12:02:00 AM) guysoft42: er - was i banned in the channel?02:02
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guysoft42SpeedEvil, yes, i wanted to change my nick and it said i could not because i am banned here..02:02
guysoft42SpeedEvil, i can't really seem to locate why02:03
SpeedEvildid it actually say banned?02:03
pupnikthat is due to the way freenode locks channels02:03
SpeedEvilOr did it say unidentified?02:03
guysoft42SpeedEvil, yes.. i can't post to channel from that nick02:03
pupnikyou have to sometimes leave before identifying02:03
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lcukguysoft22, its the flags on the channel02:03
lcukunregistered users cannot talk02:03
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pupnikjust leave maemo, identify, rejoin02:03
pupnikit is not a real ban02:03
xorAxAxits a censorship mode02:04
guysoft42lcuk, yes, but i could not /nick and identify because it does not let banned users change nicks :)02:04
lcukits silly, across all channels if i end up back in as lcuk2 i cannot identify without that stupid error02:04
guysoft42.. a paradox!02:04
pupnikjust leave maemo, identify, rejoin02:04
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lcukhaving to close and reopen loses scrollback andis annoying02:04
guysoft42pupnik, was going to let me switch computers..02:04
guysoft42i already got scared someone was abusing my nick :)02:04
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GuySoft.. now all that is left is to actually code something for my nokia N810 :-/02:05
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ptlwhere do I get vlc for the N900?02:20
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haltdefinternet I'd imagine02:31
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SWFu64imagine a girefaee02:35
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ptlhaltdef: where on the internet?02:37
haltdefnot sure02:37
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lcukis a lead02:38
lcukgoogle has results for vlc fremantle02:38
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ptllcuk: I'll check, thanks02:41
ptlI was just trololo'ed02:41
ptlit is better than being rickrolled?02:41
lcukerik__, you cannot talk because you are not registered02:42
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godrikhy guys02:43
godrikI am writing some code for my n810 using gtk in c++02:43
godrikI am trying to figure out how to get my window to fullscreen when the button on the back is pressed02:44
ptlit's in qole.org02:44
godrikI thought there should be a property in a HildonWindow but I can not find it02:44
godrikany idea where I should look for ?02:44
godrikdoes somebody read me ?02:49
ptlI do but I do not know the answer to your question, or I am lazy to think about it.02:50
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prontois the repo down again x.x03:20
prontoapt-get isnt working03:20
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prontoanyone O_o03:25
lcuksorry, irc is down too03:26
GeneralAntillespronto, testing seems to be down here.03:27
prontowell i'm trying to install ffmpeg via apt-get, and keep getting 50403:27
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ptlI waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant PR 1.2 :( no s/a+/a/ please03:33
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godrikDoes anyone know how to pass a hildonwindow in fullscreen when the fullscreen button is triggered ?03:43
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pupnikgodrik: what OS03:57
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sopsnipshey, guys04:01
sopsnipsI just re-imaged my n810 getting ready for a trip..04:01
sopsnipsit seems all the tableteer repos are not responding..04:02
sopsnipsis anyone else seeing that?04:02
godrikpupnik: it is for n81004:02
godrikso i think it is diablo04:02
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ahsmhi guys04:05
pupnikgodrik: maybe theres an existing diablo app that does what you want04:05
godrikpupnik: I should have thought of that..04:06
pupniksorry i dont know the answer04:07
godrikthat fine04:07
godrikIt is a little bit annoying because it seems a pretty classical feature and i can not find a faq/doc that describe that04:08
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sopsnipsI can't install minigpsd because I can't get to the repos04:16
godriksorry I do not know04:17
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godrikIs there a 'standard' way to differenciate between maemo/hildon compilation and "classical" gtk ?04:19
godrikor do people just put preprocessor definition themself to mae the difference ?04:19
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crsHi, is there a google reader enabled rss client for n900?04:43
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Tobarjaanyone with an N810 like to comment on the wifi quality of that device? work well, reception good, etc?04:45
godrikTobarja: I got a n810 and I have a pretty good wifi capabilities04:46
godrikbut GPS is kind of crappy04:46
pupnikn810 wifi worked better than my t42p04:46
Tobarjaha... i read somewhere someone said they'd had their device for like a year and the GPS was still looking for itself04:47
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Tobarjagodrik: work outside if you're still? or only if you're on top of a tall building with no clouds?04:47
godrikIf it is cloudy I am usually not getting a fix04:47
godrikor it takes some times04:48
Tobarjai'm not terribly concerned with that... as long as i can walk around my house and surf/irc/voip on wifi04:48
godriklast time on a sunny day i activated a tracker application while driving04:48
godrikand it got an accurate trajectory04:48
godrikbut took a few minute to get the first fix04:49
godrikthat should be ok04:49
godrikI am living in a (cheap) appartment complet and got a wifi signal 20/30 meters from my front door04:50
godrikI used to use it at my parent's in a 2 level house04:50
godrikfloor is done with concrete and I got signal from one floor to the other04:50
godrikAbout bandwidth, I used skype once or twice at home through it04:51
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Tobarjai work from home and have to keep running back to my desk where the sip phone is ringing04:52
godrikhonestly if you are working from home, I would go with a mobile sip phone more than a n810...04:54
Tobarjawell... i am expecting one the end of the week, so we'll give it a whirl. if not, i'll put it right back up on ebay...04:54
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godrikfor those interested in the fullscreen issues. It is sufficient to call gtk_window_fullscreen and gtk_window_unfullscreen. The fullscreen button is seem as a standard button in the system.05:01
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zenjrHi, I'm currently trying to get some apps from devel and testing and those repositories seem offline... Is there any outage on the servers that host them?05:11
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Dassumaemo carage05:12
sopsnipszenjr: I am seeing the same thing..05:14
sopsnipstableteer repos and repositories.maemo.org05:14
sopsnipsI need minigpsd after a reflash.05:14
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zenjrboth are out right? I can't also install the SDK because of this...05:15
zenjrhas it been out for a long time? I'm trying for 6 hrs05:15
sopsnipsI'm not sure how it affects the SDK.. but installing normal packages is broken..05:16
sopsnipssame here..05:16
sopsnipsI reflashed this morning and am waiting for them to come back up..05:16
sopsnipsthe repos really need to be cleaned up and organized..05:17
sopsnipsthere are too many and they are all over the place..05:17
zenjrFor the SDK apparently the EULA (end user license agreement) is hosted on this domain, and it doesn't show up05:17
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sopsnipsoh man.. I'm sorry.. I really love my n810.. I'd hate for community support for it to grow stale..05:18
zenjrare there more than     extras-devel and extras testing?05:18
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sopsnipsyeah.. but they are not as complete as those..05:19
sopsnipsthere is a site that lists the big ones..05:19
zenjryeap, me too... I wanna start having a look on the SDK for my n90005:19
zenjrreally? do you have that link?05:19
sopsnipsI am not sure if that has n900 repos..05:20
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sopsnipsbut it lists n770, n800, and n81005:20
sopsnipsback in a sec..05:20
zenjri had a n800... I liked it so much that I sold it to buy the 900 :)05:20
zenjrafter all I would carry a cellphone + the 80005:21
zenjrthanks anyway05:21
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sopsnipsyeah.. I carry cell+n810..  maybe I'll upgrade too.. :) congrats..05:22
godrikpersonnally i won't05:23
zenjrits worth it.. and the ui is sleeker and way faster than the n80005:23
godrikI prefer my phone to be DUMB so that it has an awesome battery life and did not crash because of that funny wallpaper05:23
zenjrwhich wallpaper?05:23
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zenjrI must agree with the battery life though... If you use it constantly downloading content with 3G it lasts way less that I would like...05:25
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sopsnipsit still has to be better than the iphone..05:27
godrikbest phone on earth: nokia 120805:27
godrik7 day with no calls, 5 hours in call05:28
godriknever crashed05:28
zenjror the 110005:29
zenjrwell after the last jan firmware update the n900 hasn't crashed once05:30
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godrikmy experience with computers and software is that the question is not whether it will crash but when. And the most complex the system is the earliest the crash will be.05:32
zenjryeap that is true... The more complex the system more chances it has on crashing...05:33
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sopsnipsgotta take off.. be good, guys..05:34
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pupniki find it very stable06:26
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ahsmhi everyone06:32
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ahsmim chatting from my n900. :)06:33
ahsmwhats up?06:34
jXSocialism. it's all the rage.06:34
jXeveryone's doing it.06:35
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ahsmquit accident06:36
ahsmyou say socialism is the rage?06:36
jXoh yeah.06:36
jXall the kids are doing it.06:36
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jXoh, wait, sorry, I'm being told I don't mean socialism, I mean DANCE MUSIC.06:37
jXmy bad.06:37
jXSocialism is apparently bad. Makes people healthy and ends homelessness, CLEARLY BAD.06:37
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GeneralAntillesjX, find a different forum for the off-topic, thanks.06:37
ahsmdance music sucks06:38
jXput it away, general, it was a joke.06:38
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jXbesides, it's not like the channel is overflowwing at the moment.06:38
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jXa little levity might wake everyone up! Or maybe... WAFFLES.06:38
ahsmwe are only allowed to talk maemo related content in this channel?06:38
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GeneralAntillesahsm, no, but obviously off-topic stuff is discouraged.06:39
pupnikfins a way to speed up apt-get update06:39
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jXahsm: he was just afraid I was going political.06:39
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jXThe military doesn't liek politicians.06:39
ahsmok i understand :)06:39
ahsmthe n900 is amazi06:40
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ahsmoh btw who saw the start of formula 1 today?06:40
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GeneralAntillesFormula 1? Meh. :P06:41
GeneralAntillesALMS is where the fun is.06:41
ahsmle mans06:41
pupnika racing game based on OSM roads...06:41
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ahsmhave you seen truth in 24?06:41
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GeneralAntillespupnik, OK, you're the 3rd person to mention a Maemo racing game in the past 2 days.06:42
pupnikthere is nspeed already for example06:42
GeneralAntillesahsm, no, I haven't, I will, though.06:43
GeneralAntillespupnik, something with more realism. ;)06:43
pupniki have contacted a couple of game devs i want to see release their thing for n900 also06:43
ahsmgeneral you really should its very good06:44
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pupnikunderwhelming respponse06:44
ahsmnice meeting you lot06:44
ahsmgoodnight :)06:44
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pupnikstop by again ahsm06:44
ahsmfor sure06:44
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* GeneralAntilles stocks up on ebooks.06:45
pupniki suppose no-one else does06:45
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DocScrutinizerpovbot: ping07:51
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: /mode #maemo -q $~a07:53
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DocScrutinizerpovbot: ping07:54
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GeneralAntillesStupid ircd seven.07:54
DocScrutinizerstupid crashanddie07:54
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DocScrutinizersorry but it's actually not ird-7's fault07:55
GeneralAntillesI didn't say it was its fault07:56
GeneralAntillesjust that it's stupid because I need to learn new stuff. ;)07:57
DocScrutinizernm then07:57
lcukGeneralAntilles, did you file the font kerning bug when you were talking about it?  if not someone did for you
povbotBug 9550: Font Kerning hard to read when zoomed in web browser08:01
lcukif o, whats the number of yours ill mark it as a dupe08:01
GeneralAntilleslcuk, don't remember.08:02
GeneralAntillesDon't think so.08:02
GeneralAntillesTim Samoff may have filed something, though.08:03
lcukcant see anything specific, nm theres a bug there now08:04
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JaffaLatest issue of Maemo Weekly News out now:
JaffaMany thanks to GeneralAntilles08:08
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GeneralAntillesThanks to you, Jaffa! ;)08:09
* Jaffa breaks up the mutual appreciation society and goes to get ready for work.08:09
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cedaranyone have anyidea how i get microb and other gui apps to recognize an internet connection that is not wifi or bluetooth? i.e. its coming through usb08:30
cedarjust keeps trying to connect to a wifi connection even though it already has a internet connection08:31
Lantiziavia what?08:31
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cedarwell i'm using a 3g expresscard. i've already managed to get it recognized and connecting to the internet08:33
cedarbut microb and presence and others just keep asking for a net connection. i can apt-get and ping via the command line just fine08:34
arachnistyou're using the usbnet, but the other way round most people would expect, right?08:34
arachnistwell, the "get my internets over usb"08:35
arachnistand without using ppp08:35
cedari'm using ppp08:35
cedarwith a 3g card hooked up to the usb08:35
arachniston the N900?08:35
cedarnope n81008:35
arachnisti think i get it08:36
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cedari made a quick write up of what i did here:
arachnistn810->usb/expresscard adapter->3g expresscard <| right?08:36
DocScrutinizerhard to establish for N900 - no hostmode :-D08:37
cedar@arachnist yeah thats right08:37
MiXu-I saw some application for N900 that supposedly enables using usb mass storages, etc.08:37
MiXu-It was in extras-devel I think.08:37
DocScrutinizerMiXu-: it's borked08:37
arachnistcedar: there was a way to enable a "dummy" internet connection in the ICD08:37
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pupnikyoutube or it didna happin! :)08:38
MiXu-DocScrutinizer: Alright :)08:38
arachnistcedar: but it's been long since i don't have an n800 (which also had maemo4)08:38
arachnistinternet connection daemon08:39
cedarah ok i'll check it out thanks08:40
TigerTaelDoes Eclipse work okay with GCJ?08:41
cedar@arachnist maybe this? gconftool-2 -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DEFAULT/type DUMMY08:43
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arachnistcedar: maybe08:45
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arachnistcedar: i honestly, don't remember08:45
cedar@arachnist cool thanks08:47
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cedarhmmm aparently dummy connections are broken in diablo08:52
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inzDocScr,is thar some kind of ancient geek hammer?09:02
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DocScrutinizerinz: hypermodern teawarmer ;-)09:03
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DocScrutinizerand here are the crackers for teatime09:05
DocScrutinizerreally crunchy ;-P09:06
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pupnikcrunchy frog09:14
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threshmmh, how do i disable rd mode on n900 ? :)09:19
arachnistthere was a way to do it with the flasher09:20
threshwell i'm trying to --disable-rd-mode, but either I cant get the exact moment of bootup, or...09:20
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threshwhile loop rules09:23
threshbruteforce ftw09:23
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threshhmm, it wasnt .profile after all.09:26
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TigerTaelffs, esbox is giving me headaches.10:37
TigerTaelTrying to follow the SDK installation guide(s), but bleh.10:38
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timeless_mbpmy hardware keyboard is giving me hebrew10:40
timeless_mbphow do i fix this?10:40
Wolfietried fixing the keybord layout?10:40
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infobotWolfie meant: tried changing the keybord layout?10:40
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timeless_mbpWolfie: text input says US English (in too many words, because someone was stupid)10:50
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timeless_mbpbut yeah, changing languages temporarily fixes it10:51
timeless_mbpthis isn't the first time i've hit it10:51
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Wolfiesounds fun10:53
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timeless_mbpturns out i have 'hebrew-keymap' installed10:53
Wolfiedidn't that come along with the latest maemo update?10:54
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Wolfiei'd remember that there was some hebrew-keyboard-fix-thingie...10:54
Wolfiecan't say that my layout would've changed, however10:54
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timeless_mbpit seems to be in fremantle repository, by a Matan Ziv-Av, so i guess it isn't nokia's10:55
timeless_mbpthere must be some magic keystroke that randomly changes the hardware keyboard layout10:56
timeless_mbpbecause it only provides two files, an and the keyboard10:56
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JaffaMorning, all11:16
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CokeHi guys! Im trying to sort my contacts on Availability, perhaps I misunderstand the meaning of the word, but my offline contacts are shown at the top, in alpha order.11:17
Cokehow can I make it sort by "availability" for real?11:17
X-FadeCoke: Are you actually signed in to the services?11:18
Cokehow can I tell?11:18
X-FadeGreen dot.11:18
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Cokei guess no then11:19
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CokeI have two jabber accounts, both are marked as "enabled"11:19
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CokeOhh, I get it.11:20
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hrwhm. nokia guys last commit for qt was 10 march11:55
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* Stskeeps sits down and tries to process the BME licensing change bug11:56
hrwStskeeps: wontifx?11:57
Stskeepshrw: not this simple sadly11:58
Stskeepsas in, maybe not fix the original request, but it's a forth and back discussion on how to deal with it11:58
hrwStskeeps: bmo or internal?11:58
Stskeepsi do these things in public, so11:58
* Shapeshifter released another version of his alarmd frontend. Now supports relative event setting à la "tomorrow", "next friday" or "in 15 minutes". :)11:59
Stskeeps9314 , but no evaluation from me there yet11:59
hrwbug #931411:59
povbotBug relicense BME11:59
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: I definitely want to give that a try12:06
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: next thing on my list is the cli interface :)12:07
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DocScrutinizergreat. Still is the current version in *devel ?12:08
* DocScrutinizer fires up HAM12:08
DocScrutinizerI hope it's hildonized? or not so greedy12:09
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: greedy? it uses pyside so it's slow, but looks nice12:09
Shapeshifternicer then pyqt for that matter12:09
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: only a 22MB left on / here12:09
Shapeshifterits optified12:10
DocScrutinizergahh, s/hildonized/oftified/12:10
DocScrutinizera freudian12:10
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DocScrutinizersee? I can't even spell it :P12:11
MiXu-Oh that's what optifying means? :)12:11
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infobotfrom memory, optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or
Shapeshifterinfobot is cute12:12
infobotinfobot is probably The coolest, or a decepticon12:12
Shapeshifterdecepticon? xD12:12
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: when doing the cli interface I'll also seriously restructure the code. It's a total mess by now ;) it just "grew" ^^12:13
DocScrutinizer~but optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs12:14
infobotDocScrutinizer: what are you talking about?12:14
MiXu-I see12:14
DocScrutinizer~forget optification12:15
infoboti forgot optification, DocScrutinizer12:15
DocScrutinizer~optification is a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs12:15
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer12:15
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infobotoptification is, like, a botch to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs12:15
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: hehe, a quite commonly seen problem on sw development12:17
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DocScrutinizersupposedly small augments collide with a flawed or 'grown' structure12:17
DocScrutinizerusually a major refactoring is ok in such a case12:19
DocScrutinizerwtf?? "installing alarmed needs 39MB of system storage" <HAM>12:21
* DocScrutinizer scared12:21
DocScrutinizerlibqt, libboost (eeeeek) - no surprise12:23
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: ah.12:23
* Shapeshifter is still looking forward to shiboken12:23
DocScrutinizerI'd not give a shit if only I knew all those hogs go to /opt12:23
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: they don't?12:24
DocScrutinizeractually I don't dare to try and install12:24
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: dunno12:24
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Pulls in Qt4?12:24
Shapeshifterqt is optified apparently. ls /opt/qt4-maemo5/lib/12:24
DocScrutinizerHAM is so... uhh verbose12:24
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Then it is safe.12:25
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: HAM at least tell it's pulling libqt-maemo5-*12:25
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is is ok.12:26
MiXu-Is the rootfs a physically faster media, than rest of the eMMC or what's the logic behind having such a small drive as rootfs?12:26
DocScrutinizerso I'll gibe it a go. Hide if I need to reflash after this enterprise12:26
SpeedEvilMiXu-: it's on the same chip as the RAM.12:26
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: ^^12:27
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MiXu-hmm, ok12:27
MiXu-Makes sense12:27
SpeedEvilMiXu-: the other one is easily replacable (at design time anyway)12:27
* dottedmag wonders why there is tracker in firmware while there are no reverse-deps for it12:27
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dottedmagwell, except "whole image" package12:27
SpeedEvilMiXu-: And it is slightly faster.12:27
lcukDocScrutinizer, can you change the "botch" to "inventive duct tape workaround"12:28
MiXu-I wonder when flash memories will actually become fast on embedded devices.12:28
SpeedEvil - internationalisation. (mostly worksafe)12:28
SpeedEvilMiXu-: it's 13 megabytes/s - that's not exactly slow12:28
DocScrutinizer~forget optification12:28
infoboti forgot optification, DocScrutinizer12:28
SpeedEvilMiXu-: and 24 or so if you read from the mmc and the ubifs at the same time12:29
DocScrutinizer~optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs12:29
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer12:29
lcuk:D thanks!12:30
MiXu-SpeedEvil: I guess that's sufficient for an embedded device then :)12:30
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rmrfchikSpeedEvil: lol, jewish12:30
DocScrutinizeryipeee, not a single 0.1MB lost in / :-)))12:31
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: cool. You'd be interested in extending the selection of period for recurring events by a custom setting, so user could create things like "every 27 minutes" ?12:37
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I wanted to do that yesterday, but unfortunately the pymaemo libalarm bindings don't support that :( Only the mask-type-of recurring events (hourly, weekly...) but not every x minutes.12:38
DocScrutinizerfriggin python bindings12:39
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I reported a bug a month ago including a fix for a very simple and obvious bug, but it's not been fixed until now12:40
Shapeshifterbecause of that bug I can't enable dbus events in alarmed. Everything is already there but the event creation is broken because of that bug12:41
DocScrutinizerusually you can bet, if it's not the original API messing the functionality by "simplifying" things too much, then for sure it's the bindings doing a great job on this12:41
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: well, even the official apps don't seem to use the "every x minutes" feature in alarmd. modest for example creates a new event every time it has checked the mail12:42
Shapeshifteryou can see this happening in /var/cache/alarmd/alarm_queue.ini12:42
Shapeshifterbut I'm not sure. because the event does have recur_secs: 900. and in the python bindings exactly this I can't set12:43
Shapeshifterbut still, the event is recreated everytime with a new cookie. anyway, alarmd is a bit weird. I still don't get why they didn't just go with cron12:43
threshrepo.m.o is still down?12:43
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X-Fadethresh: Should not?12:43
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: (cron) probably it's been a bit daunting to integrate the RTC wakeup to crond12:44
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: rtc wakeup? is that the thing where the phone turns itself on upon an event?12:45
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DocScrutinizerit's hard to tell if it's better to have a alarmd based on crond which in turn is patched to meet the mobile environment idiosyncrasies, or have a crond using alarmd for the actual timekeeping12:47
threshX-Fade: oh well, nevermind.12:48
threshof course, it's still nokia's fault that i failed to set up usb networking properly.12:48
X-Fadethresh: If you notice a problem, please let me know though.12:48
threshX-Fade: sure.12:48
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: anyway I hope your alarmed cmdline interface will make a viable substitute for cron12:49
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: we'll see12:50
DocScrutinizeras well as for at12:50
DocScrutinizermaybe even for batch?12:50
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: suuuuper. One of my top ten useful apps12:54
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: :) thanks.12:54
Stskeepsright, evaluated the BME bug12:54
DocScrutinizerBME bug??12:55
povbotBug 9314: relicense BME12:55
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DocScrutinizermy stack has glitches :-P12:55
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: that one for sure a special one - regarding product liability / waranty of Nokia. I pretty much can see why the're particularly reluctant on that one12:57
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i fully understand why they are choosing this, but let's try to limit the damage of it being closed :P12:57
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DocScrutinizer'leaking' would be a possible path to approach it12:58
Stskeepsi mean, OK, if you want to reverse engineer it and make your pants catch fire in an airport, you're welcome to do that, but i'm not going to help you12:58
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: (catch fire in airport) usually won't happen as you rarely are going to massively overcharge the cell during your stay at airport :-)12:59
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: battery charger on plane comes to mind, if there's electric plugs13:00
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: aah yes13:01
* DocScrutinizer wonders if BL-5J has a protection chip anyway13:01
Shapeshifter"airbus a300 catches fire due to nokia battery charging algorithm reverse engineering by DocScrutinizer"13:01
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DocAvalanchenow let's push this nice lil nasty :-P13:02
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DocScrutinizerbackcover open/close always gives me goosepimples - *CRRACKKK*  *shudder*13:05
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: only way this situation would have been better would have been if a community had been the ones developing the charging in the first place :P13:05
Stskeeps(how does law deal with a community causing someone's pants to catch fire anyway?)13:06
DocScrutinizerI think GPL is pretty clear on that one as well13:06
SpeedEvilYeah. You have to offer the fire to others for a nominal cost.13:07
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DocScrutinizer"is supplied as is... may eat your cat... no liability taken in whatever form..."13:07
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DocScrutinizerwell maybe that'S not core GPL but the salt13:08
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nidOgpl and community-delivered or not, nokia wont want even the risk of "bl-5j battery blows up, toddler dies" headlines :p13:09
DocScrutinizerI think Nokia should consider leaking as a way of dealing with stuff like that13:10
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: then there's the issue of them not suing the pants off people implementing stuff based on the leaked materials..13:11
Stskeepstrade secrets etc..13:11
DocScrutinizerwhy should the be interested in doing so. And in the end of the day there's absolutely ZERO secret stuff inside BME13:12
X-FadeThe main issue is, and will always be, the lipo hazard.13:14
* SpeedEvil nods.13:15
andresHaving briefly looked at some of the nokia-produced kernel code I would say a publically reviewed version would hardly be more likely to cause an incident...13:15
SpeedEvilX-Fade: which is irrelevant13:15
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SpeedEvilX-Fade: as that's in kernel or hardware13:15
SpeedEvilAt least - if the kernel driver doesn't do sanity checking, it's _COMPLETELY_ broken.13:15
X-FadeWe recently had an example again in the RC community, with someone actually burning his house down with a simple lipo+charger.13:15
SpeedEvilneglecting the fact that there may be hardware safeguards.13:16
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X-FadeThis all stems from the issue that people want to get 'info' from BME. Not actually drive the thing.13:16
Shrik3aren't you supposed to charge lipo batteries inside fireproof bags?13:17
threshoh yeah13:17
threshi finally found out what was causing my device to reboot on start13:17
SpeedEvilX-Fade: I want to control charging13:17
threshand the winner was libdui013:17
SpeedEvilX-Fade: I want to set a lower maximum limit - 4.1, not 4.2V13:17
threshwhich added /etc/X11/ without adding /usr/bin/duithemedaemon13:18
SpeedEvilX-Fade: As I never run out of battery, and want my battery to last longer.13:18
threshso DSME was sending the machine to reboot13:18
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DocScrutinizerheh, the fire in my last flat is missing explanation of the cause yet13:19
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: freerunner battery fire? ;)13:19
MiXu-Is there any app to schedule reboots for N900?13:19
DocScrutinizerthere were no FR around at that time13:20
DocScrutinizerwas before I even started my job at OM - I visited TPE with all my face burnt13:20
DocScrutinizers/visited/first time visited/13:20
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: was before I even started my job at OM - I first time visited TPE with all my face burnt13:21
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DocScrutinizerI suspect the NiMH in a mini vacuum cleaner13:22
Shapeshifternokia should just do what we tell them on the bug tracker :>13:22
Shapeshifterproblem solved13:22
Stskeepsif they did, we'd have hello kitty cases.13:23
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Shapeshifterthat's a fair price to pay ;)13:23
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w00tI actually want one of those now13:24
DocScrutinizeroh well -- ""13:24
DocScrutinizer- Change charging algorithms (trickle-charge if it's likely to be on AC13:24
DocScrutinizerovernight anyway?)13:24
Stskeepsdoesn't it already trickle charge if it's at 100%? :P13:25
DocScrutinizerI really hope it doesn't13:25
Stskeepswell, 90%13:26
DocScrutinizerMiXu-: see Shapeshifter's alarmed. I think a cmdline event kicking off a 'sudo shutdown -r now' will do13:27
MiXu-Hmm, nice. I'll look into it.13:28
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TigerTaelI can't get nokia map loader to do anything with my N900, advice?13:54
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Stskeepsfind jaffa's guide13:55
Clicketyget an iphone13:55
SpeedEvilI was wondering why my battery went down a _lot_ while playing mp3 while gardening.13:55
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: (9314) sigh, it's really difficult. I know patents might be insane, but honestly I can't see any valid patents in charging LiPo - it's ancient technology and algos are wellknown prior knowledge13:55
TigerTaelClickety, no thanks.13:55
rmrfchikit's shame to nokia to have uncompatible software. ovi suite, map loader13:56
SpeedEvilTurns out I was in range of my wifi, and the rsync to backup my laptop had kicked off.13:56
rmrfchikboth are advertised as "for n900" :(13:56
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i'm not happy about 9314 either, but just stating objective facts :P13:56
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: muhaha13:56
pupnik_testing 10mw range today13:56
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: (personally i wouldn't mind seeing it OSS'ed, but i also have to be realistic)13:56
TigerTaelrmrfchik, my OVI suite seems to be working no problem, just the map loader keeps telling me to put it into mass storage mode, and then it tells me to put it into PC suite mode.13:56
pupnik_SpeedEvil: pulseaudio probably13:57
rmrfchikTigerTael: Ovi Suite claims "no compatible device" or similar13:57
rmrfchikPC Suite works well13:57
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TigerTaelMine suggests starting 'maps' once, although I've used it several times. It's obviously not checking for the maps directory/cache properly.13:58
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: ""Differentiation: Negative, there are probable Nokia patents in there"" - I humbly doubt that's actually the case13:58
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Stskeepsright, i'm not a patent attorney13:59
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: feel free to prove me otherwise in the bug report, my opinion isn't the only valid one :)13:59
DocScrutinizerLOL how could I??13:59
Stskeepsas in, showing that i'm making an assumption, which i will grant, i am :P14:00
Stskeepsthe idea is to have an honest discusson in the process to move things ahead, so :P14:00
DocScrutinizerjust claiming the CC/CV charging of LiPo is prior knowledge, incl all its variations14:00
CokeWhere do I add/remove repos?14:00
Cokejust edit the sources.list?14:00
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: :nod:14:01
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TigerTaelOkay, I'll just do it manually.14:02
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I can't prove nonexistence of anything - it's a mission impossible as you may learn from scientific basics14:02
DocScrutinizerso how could I prove there's no patents inside closed code14:02
DocScrutinizerI just have STRONG doubts14:03
CokeOhh, they call it "application catalogue"14:03
Stskeepsyes, that what i'm asking to note in the bug :)14:03
Cokeway to be inconsistant14:03
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: *sigh* eventually I might drop a comment14:04
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pupnik_missed that14:06
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nidOlooking forward to that if they can get meaningful amounts of power from it14:07
MiXu-I doubt that they ever will.14:08
MiXu-It would require a lot of movement.14:08
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Shapeshifterthey could get 'meaningful' amounts of energy, if energy consumption was lowered drastically14:08
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nidOI don't really see why not, a single rotary arm in a watch will keep it running forever, if nokia are intending to embed piezoelectric crystals throughout all the spare cavities in the bodies of their phones, that'd be a fairly hefty lifespan increase14:09
MiXu-nidO: The current that a watch draws is measured using something much smaller than "mA" :)14:09
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Stskeepslo afb14:09
nidOofc it is, and it's kept charged by a single horridly inefficient rotary arm, not a set of crystals embedded throughout a frame much larger than the watch14:10
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MiXu-I could imagine that you'd be able to charge a phone if you're running.14:12
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MiXu-or if you shake it14:12
ptlthey could use a perpetual motion device to extract energy from it14:12
nidOhell, i'd be happy if walking/running movement could provide even a reasonable amount of the phone's idle power usage to partially maintain the battery, let alone charge it14:12
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JaffaRight, I'm in:
Stskeepsbut now i have to decide who to order for, and in which order14:14
* VDVsx is tempted to paste jaffa's questions in jaffa's email :D hihi14:14
pupnik_how about piezo keyboard switches?14:15
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JaffaVDVsx: feel free ;-)14:16
VDVsxJaffa, nah, it's your questions, but would be fun :D14:17
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JaffaVDVsx: I *think* I've answered all of them ;-)14:17
VDVsxyeah :)14:18
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MiXu-We're really not talking about major charging energies with those piezoelectric thingies =)14:19
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MiXu-But I'm happy if they actually make something feasible out of them. Just sceptical.14:19
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MiXu-For african markets it might even make sense14:21
MiXu-"They walk to school, walk to work, walk to the river to fetch water, etc., they don’t need to walk to the man with a car batter strapped to the back of a bicycles, charging for electricity anymore."14:21
Stskeepsi'll vote for anyone who will push for stronger moderation at talk.maemo.org14:22
Stskeepscurrent state makes the community look like monkeys on crack14:23
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TigerTaelStskeeps, I whole-heartedly agree.14:24
pupnik_compared to what Stskeeps14:25
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Jaffapupnik_: monkeys on dope, obviously14:26
pupnik_i think to your hopes14:26
pupnik_not to forums in general14:27
Stskeepscompared to a anything-goes attitude14:27
ShapeshifterStskeeps: auto-ban all members with a thanks/posts ratio of less then 0.5?14:27
StskeepsShapeshifter: nah, don't be silly14:28
Stskeepsi was thinking people visiting troublesome forum users and beating them ;)14:28
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MiXu-I believe at leat 50% of internet users have the tendency to look like complete idiots (or monkeys on crack) on forums.14:29
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VDVsxmake it 99% when referring to youtube commenter's :D14:32
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pupnik_mytube works great on pc btw.  lets me uninstall flash14:34
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slonopotamusokay. got n900 from repair back (pulled out usb connector, you know). they just replaced whole motherboard.14:35
MiXu-yep, no surprise14:36
slonopotamusand it took them 4 weeks :/14:36
MiXu-I had my 6110 Navigator serviced a while back. They changed everything except the camera and the frame. :D14:37
MiXu-Oh and the display14:37
MiXu-And the reason for service was that it was acting funny. Sometimes not ringing at all etc.14:37
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viszi have a 6110 navigator too14:38
slonopotamusMiXu-, and what did you want them to fix?14:38
viszwork like a toilet of a train14:38
MiXu-slonopotamus: The funny behavior. (Not ringing, shutting down by itself, etc)14:38
viszallthough it does sometimes shut down by itself14:39
visznot regularily though14:39
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MiXu-Mine got fixed. Doesn't shut down on it's own anymore.14:39
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MiXu-Not that I use it much anymore since I have an N900.14:39
MiXu-It's in my car and I use it for navigation only.14:39
viszi use both14:39
visz6110 for actually talking to people, n900 for everything else14:40
viszallthough my n900 is trashed for the moment14:40
AppiahO_o trashed how?14:40
visz6110 for navigation also14:40
viszmuch better than n90014:41
viszAppiah, gave it a bath in a toilet bowl14:41
Appiahoh god ...14:41
MiXu-I refuse to acknowledge that N900 would even have navigation.14:41
viszAppiah, indeed14:41
MiXu-It's so bad.14:41
jaskaconfusingly they have reused model numbers, the 6110 i remember is a pre-symbian phone :)14:41
DocScrutinizervisz: you could have recovered by immediately removing the battery and gently drying it14:41
AppiahI only had my n900 for a week now, cant say I'm to happy about the navigation so far14:41
MiXu-jaska: They've been doing that for a while14:41
MiXu-there's also 3110 classic etc.14:41
viszDocScrutinizer, or i could have _not_ dropped it14:42
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DocScrutinizervisz: actually giving device (disassembled though) a thorough dousche is a method to *fix* certain issues, which I use frequently14:43
MiXu-The Maps on N900 looks and feels like it was designed by someone who's blind and has never seen map software.14:43
jaskahaptic maps?14:44
zashvisz: <random joke refering to bathing and "SIM" meaning "swim" in swedish>14:44
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docksideehm no it dont14:56
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kamuiMiXu-, what a wonderful statement15:04
MiXu-kamui: Have you seen the icons? :D15:05
MiXu-They could as well be in chinese15:05
MiXu-It would -look- impressive, if the performance was good enough.15:06
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MiXu-But the logic in the UI eludes me.15:06
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Appiahany op in?15:22
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Jax`any1 watch the super bowl?15:23
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Jax`fuck yeah bro!15:23
Jax`was amazing!15:23
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Jax`man i wank over all those large black men running around15:23
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lcukfrom an artistic perspective the banding effect is quite calming15:24
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w00tlcuk: lol15:25
DocScrutinizer/mode +q Guest*15:25
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StskeepsVDVsx, X-Fade, +b *!~dash*@* .. or just ban *!*@adsl-83-100-232-162.karoo.KCOM.COM and *!*@den-69-171-160-141.evdo.leapwireless.net15:26
savetheinternetwtf is with the spam?15:26
X-Fadesavetheinternet: Yeah yeah.15:26
X-Fadeehm Stskeeps ^^15:27
Stskeeps(that was a very lame attack :P)15:27
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X-FadeThat was just a lamer, yes.15:27
w00tX-Fade: reported to staff already btw15:27
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rmrfchikhmm, trying
rmrfchik$ dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/mce/ string:PatternCommunicationIM15:29
rmrfchikMust use org.mydomain.Interface.Method notation, no dot in "string:PatternCommunicationIM"15:29
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rmrfchikwhat I do wrong?15:29
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Arif_spam in the morning15:35
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e115saHi. Does anyone get ConIC work correctly in SDK of Maemo5?15:48
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pupnik_battery saving tip - i am getting same effective range dropping n900 xmit power from 100mw to 10mw15:55
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andrewfblackJaffa: i'll send out a reply to your questions today.  I need to look into a way to access Mailing Lists from Work.  I don't have access to gmail web client here.15:56
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Kegetysdoes that actually save any meaningful amount of power? I thought it is just some regulation type thing for some countries15:56
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X-Fadepupnik_: Any you get less than 1% of battery saving with that ;)15:57
infobotX-Fade meant: pupnik_: And you get less than 1% of battery saving with that ;)15:57
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X-Fadepupnik_: Nokia knows powersaving. If it mattered, it would have been dynamic or so.15:58
Stskeepswoo, moomin on polish tv15:58
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pupnik_i will run some tests when i have a lappy again15:59
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Jaffaandrewfblack: Cool, thanks.16:00
Jaffaandrewfblack: I'm not as impartial now as I was when I wrote them, though ;-)16:00
andrewfblackJaffa: thats good,  now to find a way to access my email from work16:02
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lcukjaffa, some random community member asked a load of questions to the candidates - have you answered all of them :p16:03
tybolltjaffa kree!16:04
Jaffalcuk: I believe I've answered them. Would it be too noisy to restructure my manifesto into the Q&A format?16:04
fralsstudying for exam is pretty boring if anyone was curious16:05
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lcukjaffa if everyoneelse is formatting their statments to wrap around your q&a then it makes sense for you to do likewise16:05
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Jaffalcuk: Fair enough16:05
w00tJaffa: your questions scare me!16:06
tybolltfrals: guess you stay home from kth today? :P16:07
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Jaffaw00t: In what way?16:07
TigerTaelWHAT YOU SAY?16:08
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w00tJaffa: kidding, mostly, it was just a lot of text to read at 2am when I first came across them16:08
tybolltALL YOU BARSE ARE...16:08
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tybollt(base, too)16:08
fralstybollt: i stayed home until after lunch... best excuse for sleeping in ever ;)16:08
TigerTaeltybollt, haha, nice.16:08
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Jaffaw00t: :)16:08
tybolltfrals: Did you take it seriously though? I used to work at and we had all sorts of weird shit go on there (like pimps selling hookers on campus etc) but never something like that.16:09
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derfThis guy --- --- "turned himself in" by parking his SUV next to the house I was living in and calling the cops.16:17
lcukX-Fade, ping are you around16:17
X-Fadelcuk: Always.16:18
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SpeedEvilUsually you just rent them.16:21
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poldenlo, everyone :)16:21
fralstybollt: yeah, wa suppose todo a presentation this morning but postpooned it16:22
poldenHas anyone ever experienced getting "Reinstallation of kernel is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." when trying to run apt-get install --reinstall kernel?16:22
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fralsor well, didnt expect anything to happen but id feel pretty stupid if i went and it ended up happening smth :P16:23
Veggenderf: there was a story in the newspapers about a van with presumed explosives and stuff in it, that was suspicious, here....16:24
tybolltfrals: or... if you went and the place was empty due to everyone other than you TAKING it seriously ;)16:24
Veggenderf: it was seen, but not located, and people were asked to look out for it...16:24
tybolltVeggen: typical fear mongering16:25
Veggenderf: that very day or the day after, I saw a bunch of middle-east-looking men walking in and out of the (very cheap) hairdresser) I usually go to, and iraqui guy...16:25
Veggencarrying propane bottles and stuff in and out of exactly such a van.16:26
derfDid you do your civic duty?16:26
tybolltderf: "civil"16:26
tybollt"civic" is a type of Honda car.16:26
sopsnipscivic duty is more accurate..16:27
Veggennah. tho I was pondering for quite a while. But the day after, the case was more or less rolled up to be some other stuff, and not related to him ;)16:27
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derfI still remember everyone here looking for a "white van"... no other more detailed description... during this:
sopsnipsthe Honda civic name came from the late 70s or early 80s Honda CVCC16:29
derfNot only was their vehicle not white, it wasn't a van.16:29
sopsnipscool little cars but underpowered..16:29
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LuciusMareGod I love nokia.16:38
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LuciusMareThey make a Linux coffee maker, but forbid N900 to have MeeGo >_>16:38
Robot101?! did you see any devices running MeeGo yet? did you think maybe it might need quite a lot of work still? :)16:39
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DocScrutinizerConstant Velocity Critical Control?16:39
DocScrutinizerLuciusMare: HUH?16:40
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LuciusMareWell, at least not officially16:41
VDVsxand unofficially ?16:41
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LuciusMareWell, there is always this posibility16:42
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DocScrutinizerI seem to recall a statement like "N900 is reference platform for meego"16:42
VDVsxhe's probably referring to this:
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Arif_N900 should not get Moogo ...16:46
summelwhy not?16:47
Arif_gives me a reason to buy a new device :D16:47
summelcan i have your n900 for free then?16:47
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LuciusMareI wonder how will the meego turn out16:48
w00tVDVsx: it's amazing that people listen to an article on cnet over a blog from one of the guys on the TSG..16:48
summeli hope it will be better then moblin16:48
DocScrutinizerwell ""Maemo on Nokia N900 is not upgradeable to MeeGo" sounds just about inherently correct statement16:48
Arif_I hope it'll have a usable media player16:48
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: SSU'ing to MeeGo is insane though16:48
summelDocScrutinizer: well opensuse i7 s not upgradeable to debian squeeze also :o16:49
LuciusMarew00t: I got from a "local" blog, it is trustable, and i found also the cnet article, so i didnt search more, even because i kinda expected it16:49
Stskeepsclick a item in your application manager to update to meego16:49
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VDVsxw00t, and without any source(like a VP, Manager), like Nokia told us , who's Nokia ? :D16:49
w00tVDVsx: exactly16:49
DocScrutinizersummel: so what?16:50
StskeepsVDVsx: they spoke to NOKLA instead16:50
summeli want meamo/meego/iphoneos/android quadboot! :P16:50
DocScrutinizersummel: isn't that exactly what I said?16:50
LuciusMaresummel: you forgot ubuntu16:50
summelDocScrutinizer: yes :) and its just logical that is not possible to upgrade from one distribution to another16:50
summelLuciusMare: ewww :O16:50
Arif_summel, don't forget winmo, BBOS, and S60!16:50
* VDVsx asks Qwerty12 about Meego in the Nokla devices16:50
summelyay S6016:50
LuciusMareArif_: MSDOS!16:50
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summels60 could be possible :)16:50
VDVsxStskeeps, that's also false, Nokla will run meego ;)16:51
Arif_S60v5, Symbian^3, Symbian^4!16:51
* LuciusMare pants at the idea of having original UNIX on his n90016:51
Arif_all one one device!16:51
summelandroid already works afaik16:51
summelopenDarwin :O16:51
Arif_who wants android?16:51
LuciusMareOh, well... :)16:51
luke-jrLuciusMare: impossible16:51
Arif_android has more games..:D16:51
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* w00t burns Arif_ with fire16:52
summeli dont like android16:52
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* Arif_ 's already hot :P16:52
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LuciusMareMe neither, but it seems to be spreaded more than maemo/meego16:52
LuciusMareAt least its not winmo, it is still linux :)16:52
w00twhy settle for second best?16:52
luke-jrneither are Linux really16:52
luke-jrjust Linux-based16:53
LuciusMareIt's still UN*X.16:53
Arif_lets port Win7 to the N900!16:53
luke-jrI don't know a single modern handheld device that real Linux can run on :/16:53
* LuciusMare stabs Arif_ 16:53
luke-jrlet's lynch Arif_16:53
Arif_so much hate for mikrofost :(16:54
LuciusMareAlso, i wonder how can you *port* something closed-source16:54
LuciusMareUnless you work at MS, ofc :)16:54
luke-jrLuciusMare: emulators16:54
luke-jrsee b-man|laptop16:54
LuciusMareEmulation != porting16:54
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: me does16:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: ???16:54
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: it's called freerunner16:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: key word "modern"16:55
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Freerunner is at least a generation obsolete now16:55
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: definition please16:55
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Cortex-A8 or newer16:55
luke-jr256 MB RAM minimum16:55
LuciusMareluke-jr: how come? N900 is ARM, so with a little tweaking, it should be able...16:56
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tybolltas long as it plays my pr0n in HD16:56
tybolltI'm good16:56
Arif_it doesn't!16:56
tybolltIt doesn't!? outrageous!16:56
Arif_you must convert it to stamp size files!16:56
LuciusMareHow  deep  thoughts...16:56
luke-jr'pr0n' should be illegal16:57
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tybolltluke-jr: dude, IT IS16:57
tybolltGo to Koala Lumpur and read a pr0n mag on the sidewalk... or saudi arabia by all means..16:58
Jaffalcuk: Manifesto restructured and questions answered :-p17:00
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: expired "once" events not removed17:19
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: dunno if that's a flaw or a feature17:20
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thopiekarare there any news about the SDK's? can't install the one for maemo5 and maemo4, but need them to work..17:49
thopiekarwanna help?17:49
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thopiekaror do you have any solution for downloading the rootstrap for diablo?17:49
thopiekarthis isn't working atm17:50
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andre__thopiekar, why can't you install them?17:53
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zaheermsatmd, interesting idea :)17:53
DocScrutinizersatmd: webmailer ;-P17:54
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thopiekarandre__: can't install the maemo4 sdk because the rootstrap can'T be installed and the maemo5 sdk can't be installed because a package is missing in apt...17:57
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andre__and the package is?17:57
andre__is this a known issue / filed bug?17:58
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andre__...or a thread?17:59
lcukthopiekar, is it missing because of random network problem17:59
andre__well, issues don't magically vanish ;-)17:59
lcukor because of real actual missing gone not available from anywhere kind of problem17:59
thopiekarso, lcuk, how to fix?18:00
DocScrutinizerandre__: sometimes they do ;-D18:00
lcukthopiekar, retry18:00
lcukunlessyou know its a specific problem18:00
lcukbecause people can generally still do both18:01
lcukunless you are the first to try either and now have found a new problme18:01
hrw anyone?18:01
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DocScrutinizerhrw: huh?18:02
hrwDocScrutinizer: hunting for thumbupers18:02
DocScrutinizerohh, of course!!18:02
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lcukhrw does it use the shell icon thing that was posted around recently18:03
thopiekarERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! -- o.O?!18:03
lcukim sure some additional stuff was indicated to highlight console apps18:03
hrwlcuk: it does not iirc - was produced before that stuff appeared18:04
lcukJaffa, can you recall where the console app support page was18:04
lcukyeah hrw18:04
lcukok didnt know if you knew18:04
* DocScrutinizer curses multiple account mess :-((18:04
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thopiekarwhat the hell is now not properly set up?!18:05
Jaffalcuk: Hang on, got it to hand18:05
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thopiekarthere is even no verbose or debug mode for additional output.. all packages are installed..18:06
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lcukheh thanks jaffa18:07
hrwI will add those bloody icon in next version of package. but I will not make new package just for icon18:07
DocScrutinizerand "register" button even is dead. coooool :-S18:07
lcukwould it be doubly evil to remove command line apps from ham altogether ;)18:07
lcukhrw i know im just jesting i wasnt sure whrether there was anything else18:07
lcuk"to install command line utilities you must use the command line"18:08
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* javispedro is now, for some reason, running for the council :)18:11
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thopiekarlcuk: networking is in comparison to yesterday faster, but theme-config is still not available..18:11
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Jaffajavispedro: Rock on.18:12
JaffaGAN900 needs to run and then I can see an ideal lineup :)18:13
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javispedroHopefully with some more n900-era nominees; I wouldn't want to be the greenest newbie candidate :)18:15
lcukjaffa good job this isnt real elections, you cant be a media mogul and counciller at same time in real life afaik :p18:15
DocScrutinizergarage JS is pretty fucked up. Konqueror goes nuts, asking two time "save password for this page" and none of both works... etc18:15
lcukjavispedro, you have a technical background and desire to make the most of hte hardware past and present18:16
lcukthopiekar, :S i dunno18:16
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hrw"page 6ef50c66221c11dfb170b731e256a4dca4dc has been commented by Marcin Juszkiewicz (hrw)" - can someone fix website to give *INFO* not crap?18:17
mgedminyes please18:17
mgedminthose sha1sums in subject lines are pretty silly18:17
hrwand midgard-permalink stuff is next crap18:17
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lcukmgedmin, those urls are important18:18
lcukits just as important as knowing the ip address lol18:18
javispedronote that I plan to make one of my council campaign promises to try to get as many top applications as possible in transifex18:18
hrwlink to page:
DocScrutinizerhrw: I remeber someone asking for help desparately as he gave a thumb-up to his own package, and for this was somewhat locked out from his own project18:18
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: factor in that to demote your project you have to thumb down it and you have some real fun18:19
javispedros/down it/it down18:19
achipaDocScrutinizer: thumbing up your own package is okay. Doing it through fake accounts isn't18:19
hrwDocScrutinizer: so far I do not care too much will my pacakge be available for users or not18:19
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DocScrutinizerwell maybe I got something wrong18:20
DocScrutinizerjust thought I'd mention it18:20
hrwDocScrutinizer: so far I decided to end development of my not-even-released-as-binary app for maemo18:20
KhertanHello all !18:20
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Jaffalcuk: Doesn't seem to have hindered Berlosconi! However, hopefully MWKN is suitably distributed that such shenanigans won't be possible.18:21
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Jaffalcuk: However, next issue will have subliminal <blink>Vote Jaffa</blink> text.18:21
lcukyou need web 2.0 server side blink ;)18:22
javispedroMWKN already sounds like some politic debates network18:22
lcuksorry, 2.118:22
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javispedroa few of these "2.1 <blink>" would be enough to destroy all bandwidth and human civilization18:23
lcukis what i think of with subliminal advertising18:23
Jaffalcuk: you mean
lcukwow Jaffa, that site is fant ALL GLORY TO THE HYPOTOAD!18:24
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javispedrosee? I-hate-the-N900 posts come in batches to tmo.18:35
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hrwjavispedro: surprised?18:39
hrwpeople watched commercials which told them how great n900 phone is and they got something other18:40
javispedrothey didn't got a n900? =)18:41
hrwthe  problem is that they got n90018:41
hrwinstead of promised great phone18:41
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javispedroah, seems like the Maemo Silverlight client is no longer in the works18:45
javispedro(if it ever was I leave as an exercise to the reader)18:46
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X-Fadejavispedro: Going for the MeeGo client instead?18:47
* slonopotamus kicks for not sending sms with settings18:47
javispedrothey dropped the symbian client from their download center so I guess not18:47
javispedromaybe they're going for iphone instead :P18:47
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Jaffajavispedro: Awww; source?18:48
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javispedroif the first result is the MS download page, click it18:48
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nidOwell it was available and got pulled, cant imagine that after finally getting it ready they make it available then just ditch it entirely, probably someone overeagre putting it online before waiting for the big PR event18:50
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arachnistmaybe they don't want symbian phones to get all the hot and exclusive silverlight content like... (does anyone actually use silverlight?)18:50
tybolltnidO: what was available and got pulled??18:50
javispedronidO: yes, that's a valid point18:51
zaheermsilverlight for s6018:51
javispedrogoogle cache says it was put on the 9th18:51
nidOtybollt - the silverlight client for s6018:51
tybolltis silverlight - at all - important?18:51
slonopotamus(it isn't needed. same as adobe air)18:51
zaheermit is to microsoft18:51
Arif_silverlight is next to useless18:51
tybolltI find microsoft shoving it down my throat - not once did I actually need it though18:51
Arif_only place I saw it was on TRT's streaming site18:51
zaheermthe winter olympics was streamed with silverlight18:52
slonopotamusArif_, why not just stream wmv directly if you're on ms-side?18:52
Arif_it was an alternative to wmv streams18:53
zaheermwmv only doesn't allow you to do funky stuff like flash does (ads etc.)18:53
* Arif_ uses whatevers available :)18:53
slonopotamusArif_, yeah, but every windoze box has wmv support. but it doesn't have silverlight.18:54
zaheermbut most web streaming is done with flash, silverlight will always be a niche18:54
Arif_slonopotamus, thats why I think its useless18:54
* slonopotamus kicks again18:54
X-FadeLet's hope HTLM5 video will get sane at some point.18:54
Arif_yeah, we'll get google and moozilla fighting over the codec :(18:55
tybolltX-Fade: it will not18:55
tybolltX-Fade: as video is inherently busted.18:55
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slonopotamusArif_, i fail to see why they can't just stream to ffmpeg _whatever_ they're given in <video>.18:55
Arif_don't ask me18:56
Arif_THEY're fighting :P18:56
tybolltthe whole HTML5 Video thing is so fucked up.18:56
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tybolltall parties involved are fucked up18:56
Arif_I'd just pick one codec and go with it18:56
nidOlets just all hug silverlight instead \o/18:56
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Arif_nidO, we can't :( no one's using it ={18:57
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Arif_I'd rather have Adobe/Nokia hurry the hell up with Flash 10.118:58
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LuciusMareHi, the abiword has this annoying function that fills the rest of the word for me... where can i turn it off?18:58
ccookeAfternoon, all18:58
DocScrutinizerslivershite - smells like MS vs Sun java case - try, fail, try harder, fail better. MS never learns18:58
nidOi'd rather MS market silverlight well, it become widely adopted, a maemo client released, and adobe fade into a bootnote of "how not to do it" of software companies18:58
Arif_LuciusMare, turn off auto complete in settings>input18:59
LuciusMareauto complete... why didnt i realise that before? :) Thanks18:59
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, the funny thing is that java failed long time ago in browsers.19:00
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LuciusMarewait, i can't find it, in settings, there is just "general, document, spellcheck (all turned off) and smart quotes19:01
Arif_the settings of Moomo?19:02
* andrewfblack is thinking of doing a Star Trek Theme Next19:03
LuciusMareWell, yes, i am talking about the maemo abiword19:03
Arif_as in19:03
Arif_menu>settings>text input19:03
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Vrathaandrewfblack: nice19:03
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Vrathaandrewfblack: get it into the repos :)19:03
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andrewfblackVratha: all my themes go to repos :)19:03
DocScrutinizerandrewfblack: make it do "bleleleeep" when opening slider ;-P19:03
Arif_there should be a "Themes" category in extras19:04
LuciusMareArif_: menu>edit>preferences, i did, lemme find settings19:04
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* Arif_ gives up19:04
andrewfblackDocScrutinizer: if someone can right a program that plays a audio clip when slider is open that would be cool19:04
nidOthemes really should have their own category19:04
andrewfblackArif_: their was one but it was removed when we went to Maemo5 I don't know why really19:05
LuciusMareandrewfblack: i had this feature on my previous winmo phone. I killed it after three slides19:05
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Arif_sound on slide is really annoying19:05
* slonopotamus tries to decide whether he should opt-in for unlimited 3g for $20/mo (slowed down to 64kbps after 3.5Gb/mo)19:05
Arif_andrewfblack, woo :P going backwards!19:05
Arif_slonopotamus, will you use it!19:06
LuciusMareArif_: kill me, found it...19:06
DocScrutinizerLuciusMare: you found maemo settings app meanwhile?19:06
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Arif_I was about to suggest returning the phone19:07
LuciusMareDocScrutinizer: i thought it is purely an abiword feature...19:07
slonopotamusArif_, i already use 3g, but strongly limit myself in traffic, so it doesn't take insane amounts of money19:07
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Arif_slonopotamus, I hear USA has a lot of free wifi19:07
LuciusMareArif_: *pants*19:08
slonopotamusArif_, i'm not in usa :P also, i doubt any wifi will work for you while in train :)19:08
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Arif_then go for it!19:08
nidOwifi on the train will!19:08
Arif_I wouldn't even get an N900 without unlimited internet19:09
Arif_as I manage near 10GB a month :P19:09
slonopotamusArif_, even for free? :P19:09
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Arif_its way too useless as a media player/phone19:09
ccookeArif_: I find mine a pretty decent phone. The best touchscreen phone I've used, certainly19:10
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ccooke(but yes, without decent data it wouldn't be anywhere as good)19:10
* LuciusMare agrees19:10
* Arif_ would prefer a phone with a non crappy media player19:10
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nidOtbh, mine makes and receives phone calls, it does what I want as a phone. I couldnt give 2 shits about the inane crap people on t.m.o are so up in arms about like lack of individual ringtones.19:10
tybolltegypt - what about carriers down there?19:11
Arif_nidO, mine's %99 on silent :D19:11
tybolltsoon going on vacation to Egypt and would love to have me some cash card w/ 3G19:11
Arif_no idea19:11
* ccooke recently had cause to absolutely love his n900. You can't call UK 084x numbers from Israel... but I could via SIP.19:12
Arif_I can only help you with Turkey/Holland ;P19:12
tybolltbeen to turkey - lovely place!19:12
hrwArif_:  I would prefer to have good email client19:12
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ccooke(and when you're trying to deal with insurance for stuff that vanished from your luggage, anything that makes things easier is wonderful)19:12
tybolltHolland? Wouldn't go there since I'm neither into hookers nor blow :)19:12
Arif_hrw, with no internet?19:12
tybolltdo turkey, man, all that nice food19:12
tybolltand the women :)19:13
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* Arif_ is Turkish but unfortunately lives in .nl :(19:13
SpeedEviltybollt: tulips too!19:13 has like19:13
hrwArif_: iirc .nl has good dataplans available19:13
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tybolltI don't "do" tulips SpeedEvil - I leave that for home simpson ;)19:13 also has great dataplans \o/19:14
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tybolltand vodka19:14
Arif_I'm on the only flatfee plan available19:14
tybolltand ... nothing else19:14
DocScrutinizerlack of individual ringtones??? o.O19:14
tybolltmämmi perhaps19:14
tybolltmämmi is good shitz19:14
MyrttiI'm trying to find a mobile phone plan for the two month stay in US and it's awful19:14
Arif_most providers in .nl have a 250MB limit19:14
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Myrttireading about the options makes me only more confused19:14
tybolltMyrtti: I gather "our" type of 3G is less than common over there, or?19:15
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slonopotamus250mb? is that a joke?19:15
Myrttiif not non-existant19:15
DocScrutinizerwtf?? I got D.A.F musolini for ringtone19:15
Arif_in Turkey you get 7.2Mb 4GB for like 30TL(=15€) :P19:15
nidOwtb turkish carriers here :<19:15
* Arif_ is stuck on 1Mb for 15€ which gets capped to 384 after 2GB19:15
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nidOstill arent any in the uk that support 7.2mbit atall19:16
Arif_I was suprised too lol19:16
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Arif_I tested it out this summer and I got 5+Mb19:16
DocScrutinizernidO: who's claiming there'd be a problem with having whatever .wav or mp3 you like, for a ringtone?19:18
andrewfblackI need to find some good icons to go with Star Trek Theme19:18
SpeedEvilI assume thgat means per-contact ringtone19:19
nidOthat ^19:19
FIQdid you just type a wall of space line or does xchat fails?19:19
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FIQ[18:15:57] <Arif_> in Turkey you get 7.2Mb 4GB for like 30TL(=15€) :P19:20
FIQi have 7.2Mb 5GB for 89SEK per month19:21
* Arif_ converts that to real money19:21
Arif_even better19:21
FIQ89SEK=like 10€19:21
* Arif_ demands Dutchland get that too19:22
FIQthree ftw19:22
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Arif_we can't use VOIP on our mobile internet plans19:22
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thopiekarany suggestions?19:23
VDVsxdneary, hey, why you didn't included my awesome nickname in your email ? :P19:24
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dnearyVDVsx, I spent less time on the people who declined :)19:24
dnearyVDVsx, Sorry!19:24
VDVsxnp ;)19:24
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dnearyI had to hunt quite a while to confirm that Attila77 is Attila Csipa19:24
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andre__there are some interesting candidates.19:25
javispedrothopiekar: instead of osso-af-sb-startup, install "maemo-sdk-dev nokia-binaries nokia-apps"19:25
* satmd wished, the irc plugin for contacts would ignore 'Global'19:25
mgedminJaffa, metasuggestion for Maemo Weekly News: shortening a 5-item list into a 3-item list with "and 2 more" doesn't save much space, but annoys the reader19:25
VDVsxdneary, btw, I don't trust this GeneralAntilles guy, don't know him, perhaps is some tmo troll undercover :D19:26
thopiekarjavispedro: E: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries19:26
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dnearyVDVsx, That's what I thought, just wanted to make sure19:26
* mgedmin likes the weekly news thingy19:26
thopiekarjavispedro: E: Couldn't find package nokia-apps19:26
dnearyAnd this sjgadsby, didn't see him in the karma list anywhere...19:26
thopiekarjavispedro: maemo-sdk-dev is already the newest version.19:26
javispedrothopiekar: did you do the binaries stuff?19:26
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thopiekaryes.. me is now installing the maemo5 sdk...19:27
FIQi showed my games for a friend, it askes "why is every game containing penguins?". :p19:27
LuciusMareno ar in maemo repos?19:27
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thopiekarjavispedro: I mean in my maemo4 sdk :P19:27
FIQmy english ftw19:27
SpeedEvilblocks has no penguins.19:27
LuciusMareand neither does chess19:28
thopiekarnow I want to set up my maemo5 sdk..19:28
javispedrothopiekar: installing both sdks in the same system is not trivial, I would start by installing only the final m5 sdk19:28
thopiekarinstalling the maemo5 sdk is what I do atm..19:28
javispedrothen if everything works _maybe_ downloading the diablo toolchain and setting up the target manually19:29
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thopiekarthe howto says that I can start the sdk after install by export DISPLAY=:2; start19:29
thopiekarbut doesn't work19:29
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javispedrotbh I've never tried the graphical install19:29
* thopiekar really wants to.. :)19:29
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* FIQ wished that bounce evolution had more racing levels19:30
* javispedro is happy now that tuxrace somewhat works19:30
FIQmaybe with different themes, nature, water, etc19:30
FIQi want a nice 3d racing game19:30
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FIQnot fake-3d in smk/mksc/nspeed-style19:31
heoaHow can I press TAB-fast in N810?19:31
heoawitouth styles19:31
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heoaCannot believe it, there is no "pipe"-key on the keyboard?19:32
Jaffamgedmin: It currently is clever enough to not put "...+1 more".19:32
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* mgedmin suggests something like if len(items) <= 6: leave items, otherwise return the first 3 + "one more"19:33
javispedrothopiekar: this is the documentation you should read:
mgedminI mean, click a whole link just to see two lines of text?19:34
mgedminseems wasteful19:34
thopiekarjavispedro: yes.. I read about that I have to accept the Eula..19:34
heoaanyone done a good patch for the N810 layout, it is terrible19:34
thopiekarand it works19:34
mgedminnow "10 more" I would accept gratefully19:34
thopiekarthank you anyway, javispedro19:34
mgedminI don't know where the threshold is19:34
mgedminmaybe around 4/519:34
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lcukgnite maemo \o19:35
Arif_Samsung is releasing a 3D phone!19:35
Arif_I wonder how thats going to work19:35
heoaHow can I scroll my old commands in Console withouth retyping or to use Tab?19:35
w00tlcuk: go to bed already :P19:35
Arif_heoa press up?19:35
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FIQis there a nice programmer-layout out there?19:35
FIQor need i make an own?19:35
FIQkeyb layout i mean19:36
heoaArif_: thanks, it did not occur me to be an arrow19:36
FIQwith keys like []{}<> on fn+random19:36
VDVsxArif_, heard that only works inside Pandora :D19:36
lcukw00t i woke up at 11pm last night19:37
Arif_3D? :P19:37
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heoaWhere is  pipe, programmer-quote etc ?19:37
lcukonly had 1 painfree sleep in last 4 days19:37
heoain n810?19:37
VDVsxArif_, yes, bad joke, you know that movie avatar :D19:37
FIQ3d phone?19:37
javispedroyou SHOULDN'T misuse the word Pandora here19:38
FIQsince when did manufacturers maded 2d phones? o.o19:38
Arif_ask Samsunk19:38
* w00t hugs lcuk 19:38
* VDVsx is receiving old mails from maemo ML, very annoying19:39
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heoaIs there more people who thinks n810 is a result of poor marketing, totally wrong user-group -- can now see it is not gone so well with Maemo-phones. Perhaps, I will just install debian straight away :)19:40
nidO"maemo phones"?19:40
Arif_there's only one moomo phone19:40
Jaffamgedmin: What's the limit though?19:40
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javispedrobtw VDVsx did you read that the N900 will not be upgradeable to MeeGo? O.O O.O =)19:40
* w00t asassinates javispedro19:41
Arif_they should make a Moogo phone with thought out hardware design :P19:41
javispedroyou are so easily enraged ;)19:41
VDVsxjavispedro, yes, someone called Nokia told that to a blog, it seems19:41
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VDVsxprobably Nokia the company can sue that person called Nokia :D19:41
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w00tArif_: a Moogo phone from Nokla?19:41
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Arif_doesn't have to be from Nokia19:42
* w00t makes wooshing noises19:42
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mgedminJaffa, limit of what?  there should be HCI literature about sensible shortening ...  my feel is that small oversize (of up to 3 items) ought to be allowed without cutting it off19:42
* haltdef shakes w00t19:42
Arif_as long as it has good multimedia features =D19:42
w00thalves: :(19:42
w00thaltdef: *19:42
javispedroclearly, this guy called Nokia is a TMO user.19:42
mrweaselhi! does anybody know how to determine the productcode on a n900 ?19:42
Arif_mrweasel, the box?19:43
Arif_or under the battery19:43
mgedminmrweasel, control panel -> about device19:43
mgedminwhat's the control panel called?  ah, "settings..."19:43
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mrweaseli just got a replacement after my usb port broke (waited 5 weeks now) and now i seem to have this
Arif_that doesn't show the product code...19:44
lcukcursed payg topup expiry crapola19:44
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Arif_you should at least top up once a year19:45
* haltdef pats 319:45
dmj7261in maemo 5 is the phone backend available to use?19:45
FIQjust asking a thing19:45
haltdefcan get away with topping up £5 every 3 months, get by on non-expiring credit and free stuff you get for just topping up19:46
lcuki topped up 20 5 weeks ago what more do they want blood?19:46
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Arif_they want your money19:46
ccookelcuk: also sweat, tears and your left leg19:46
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FIQlinux system updates generally is as easy as "apt-get update", "apt-get upgrade" for getting the latest bug fixes, etc19:46
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lcukhaltdef unlimited texts and mobile 3g data lol19:46
haltdefoverkill for me :p19:46
lcukccooke they cant have my finger tho19:46
ccookewell, no. You use that to make *them* money.19:47
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haltdefused about 50MB in 3 months, I get 150MB for 3 months heh19:47
lcukim too lazy to get out of bed now as well19:47
FIQi like nokia's OTA update, but i think it's better having small but many updates?19:47
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Arif_how do you manage that?19:47
javispedrolcuk: they can't have your finger because Nokia legally owns it already? :)19:47
nidOnot for nokia's support purposes it isnt19:47
FIQlike, having a patch for a bug fix ready fast instead of waiting for new fw19:47
mgedmindid they give lcuk's new finger a warranty?19:47
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Arif_I use 50MB in 30 minutes ;(19:47
lcukmgedmin its been upgraded to qt19:48
javispedroclearly, it's now a QFinger </bad joke>19:48
haltdefonly do a bit of rdp, tiny amounts of bandwidth19:48
Arif_haltdef, radio ftw :)19:48
dmj7261What's the api for controlling the phone?19:48
haltdefusage will probably increase when I get an n90019:49
haltdefusable youtube and browser :p19:49
Jaffamgedmin: So, show up to 5 or 6; if there are more than that, show three and a "+... more"19:49
lcukthats horrid to show less19:49
lcukevily horrid ux19:49
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FIQhow did i check the recevived and sent data now again?19:50
* lcuk curses ui that does that19:50
lcukqt lists are the same19:50
lcukand it drives me mad19:50
javispedrodmj7261: from what I know, there's not an actually "phone api" yet, but a mix of telepathy for handling sms, some d-bus objects for phone calls and pulseaudio for voice19:51
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w00tlcuk: you're still not asleep.19:51
lcukwhat do you display when you want a short ...19:51
lcukno woot i cant send sms so im here19:51
javispedrodmj7261: found the link, you might want to search the wifi for some dbus examples19:51
dmj7261javispedro: I'm looking to make an application that can place phone calls19:51
FIQnice replace19:52
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* ccooke spent part of the weekend playing with VPNs on the n900. The openvpn client is surprisingly light on the battery, it seems19:52
Vrathai have a frakking crappy web server running on mine19:53
Vrathai don't even know why i'd use it, but it's there19:53
Arif_I have music on mine19:53
ccooke*grin* I also have now given my phone a static IP on my server, forwarded over the VPN :-)19:53
Vrathai need to setup vpn19:54
ccooke - There's nothing much there atm, but I'll do something with it later :-)19:54
Vrathabeen kinda lazy figuring it out19:54
javispedrolet's slashdot effect his phone!19:54
luke-jrjavispedro: my thought exactly19:54
dmj7261I've always wanted my phone slashdotted19:54
ccookejavispedro: reverse proxy should be up sometime tonight ;-)19:54
dmj7261We should get an n900 slashdotted literally19:55
luke-jranyone need a VPS btw? :p19:55
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Vrathataking down my phone should be pretty dang easy19:55
javispedroluke-jr: it depends on whether its cheap, has ample bandwidth and won't refuse to host questionable files :)19:55
dmj7261But what about a cloud of n900s?19:55
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luke-jrjavispedro: define questionable19:56
FIQdepends of the price19:56
dmj7261If you need to ask, the answer must be no19:56
Vrathadmj7261: might help a little19:56
luke-jr :p19:56
nidOnow thats not bad for small throwaway systems19:57
javispedroyep, not for what I was thinking though19:57
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nidOyou pay way over the odds for cpanel licenses though :P19:58
luke-jrnidO: intentionally19:58
luke-jrI don't want to screw w/ cpanel crap19:58
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heoaHow can you install GNU Screen and Nmap to your N810? Cannot find them with: "$ apt-get install nmap" and "$ apt-get install screen".20:00
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VDVsxheheh, some people are fighting pretty hard these so called maemo/meego experts, lol :P20:00
javispedrofortunately, they don't have to fight the  meego "gurus" any more :)20:01
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Vrathai'm all for meego, except i much prefer debian package management20:02
VDVsxdon't understand these "experts" guys, their website is for sale, so no pub, so no revenue o_020:03
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ccookeRyback_: yeah, that would be nicer... but it should work out fine in the end.20:03
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Elvaronhey folks20:05
javispedroVDVsx: no wonder.20:05
Elvaroni'm getting a "Network Error" when my n900 tries to connect to a custom IM, specifically ICQ. any ideas? or is this the wrong place to ask?20:05
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mrweaselElvaron: you could try
javispedrothe issue here is that most people still don't know what meego is about.20:07
Elvaronafter sudo gainroot, right, mrweasel?20:07
ShadowJKscreen and nmap are probably in the extras or extras-devel repository20:08
javispedroi'm under the impression that their definition of meego would be more accurately represented as "meego  + the nokia tablet ux + the nokia tablet applications", and AFAIU nobody has even ever talked about that.20:08
tybolltBack in the day we called it "UI"...20:09
Elvaroncould not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open20:09
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javispedroyes well, on IT you need to continuously rename things or you risk consumers becoming bored.20:09
javispedrolike IT itself.20:09
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: yeah they stick. Dunno if it's a flaw or a feature either :D I mean, that enables you to reuse them. On the other hand, they don't do anything anymore20:09
ccookejavispedro: I haven't seen anything to convince me that *Nokia and Intel* know what meego is going to be, yet...20:10
ccooke(... and nothing to suggest that that's a bad thing, either)20:10
VDVsxjavispedro, exactly, afaik meego is only the base system20:10
mrweaselElvaron: close app manager first20:10
Elvaronoops, sorry, thx20:10
javispedroccooke: agreed with the later statement.20:10
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ccooke(hmm. It's nice to have the time to be back in here :-)20:11
JoshTriplettDid anyone else have all their appointments shift by an hour when DST happened?20:11
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ccookeJoshTriplett: let you know when it happens over here :-)20:12
javispedrountil someone finally "gets" what MeeGo is (and I don't mean I do), both sides in this twitter war are basically spreading... double plus untrue things.20:12
JoshTriplettccooke: Fair enough. :)20:12
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JoshTriplettIn the process of reporting a bug, and/or finding an existing bug to amend.  Just wondered if anyone else saw the problem.20:12
ccookejavispedro: Yes, quite.20:12
javispedroJoshTriplett:  that would be a  "device-wall-stamping" category bug for me. I really hope it doesn't happen.20:12
JoshTriplettjavispedro: Yeah, same here.20:13
ccookePeople are sometimes too quick to latch on to something - anything - as "yet another example of why everything is shit". Often with a side order of "... and they all have it in for me, personally"20:13
Elvarondo i need to do anything after the two apt-get installs?20:13
Elvaronas in reboot or so?20:13
JoshTriplettjavispedro: I had, for instance, a weekly appointment from 3-5 on Tuesday, and now that DST happened, it shows up as 4-6 on Tuesday.  Every other appointment on my calendar, in the past and future, shifted the same way.20:13
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javispedroJoshTriplett: were they repeating events?20:14
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mrweaselElvaron: just reconnect icq20:14
JoshTriplettjavispedro: Both repeating and one time events.20:14
Elvaronseems to not work for me, then. will try again after reboot -.-20:14
javispedroJoshTriplett: now you're scaring me :(20:14
* javispedro looks up when DST is coming20:14
JoshTriplettThis past weekend, in the US.20:14
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Elvaronstill getting the cant connect to one more multiple accounts (translated, no idea what the original error string in english would be :D)20:14
Elvaron*one or more20:15
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Elvaronnvm, rebooted and now it works20:15
arachnist"can't connect to one or more accounts"20:15
Elvaronnice, thanks alot20:15
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* javispedro marks march 28th with red ink: "hell will freeze over"20:16
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JoshTriplettjavispedro: Ah.  Europe?  "Last Sunday in March"?20:16
nidOluke-jr: there?20:16
Arif_they should get rid of DST...20:16
nidOwhere exactly's your eu service based and what're the "certain conditions"?20:17
Elvaronbtw anyone found out why, when i get a new email and open it directly, i cant delete it? only works if i go to email, inbox, that same email, and then delete20:17
JoshTriplettArif_: Hear hear.  Good luck with that, though. :(20:17
Elvaronthe button is simply grayed out20:17
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v13j #maemo-devel20:17
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* Shapeshifter doesn't get why people are so obsessed with profiles20:17
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v13profiles ?20:18
Shapeshiftergeneral and silent are perfectly fine for me. I'd never use any other profiles.20:18
aspiditeshas it been confirmed whether or not a work around has been found for certain headsets not working? (related post:
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javispedroooh, "texrat blocked". what does blocked mean in twitter lingo?20:18
luke-jrnidO: basically, I would need time to find a good dedi deal, so it means "unknown setup time; unknown minimum price; unknown location"20:18
JoshTriplettShapeshifter: Those seem quite sufficient for me too.  I do wish I could set different rings for different people, though.20:18
aspiditesi've lost my stock headphones, and was considering getting a more advanced model, but wanted to make sure that the above issue was strictly for headsets (has microphone) and not headphones as well20:18
aspiditesusing n90020:18
nidOhefty conditions ;)20:19
v13is it possible to have a pannable gtk.MessageDialog() ?20:19
luke-jrnidO: if you want a 1 GB RAM VPS, I could do that in Germany pretty sure20:19
Arif_aspidites, tell apple use standards20:20
Elvaronand another thing, when i use the built-in browser, or firefox for that matter, doesnt change, and try to watch a streamed video, it plays poorly, but when i use zoutube its perfectly smooth. maybe they could just allow other pages to be added to zoutube's search method, similar to how you can add search machines to firefox/add catalogues to the app manager?20:20
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aspiditesArif_: I don't have an iphone or any apple products, so how is that advise relevant?20:20
VDVsxjavispedro, who did that ? :D20:20
aspiditesArif_: or are you only implying that the issue arises when using apple's headsets?20:20
javispedroVDVsx: our beloved "expert", in his twitter feed20:20
Arif_headphone manufacturers like to make products for popular products20:20
VDVsxjavispedro, lol, I don't follow him :D20:21
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aspiditesArif_: so apple is popular so everyone is using their standards (or lack there of) thus introducing the incompatibility?20:21
javispedroVDVsx: the RSS app on each and every N900 by default does, as long as he continues to misuse #maemo tag20:21
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slonopotamuswhat's the latest fremantle version?20:21
slonopotamusas in X.20XX.XX-X20:22
javispedrorelease? 3.something20:22
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Arif_3.2010 02 0820:22
aspiditesArif_: I see. so for an immediate solution i need to purchase nokia branded headset/phones, or is there a way to know how they are wired up BEFORE i purchase?20:22
slonopotamusArif_, k20:22
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aspiditesArif_: I don't plan to see any "great for Nokia N900" stickers any time soon :P20:22
Arif_I don't know how you can find out how they're wired20:22
Arif_but if its compatible with eyephones it probalby won't work on the N90020:23
v13w/o using a knife of course :)20:23
aspiditesArif_: I was afraid of that. I'll just have to go to a local electronic store and do trial and error. thanks.20:23
jXthe n900 uses a "standard" 4 conductor jack20:23
JoshTriplettArif_: "eyephones" sound fun. :)20:23
nidOluke-jr - I could mostly use a small throwaway 256+256 vps or two ideally in london but outside of 3 specific dc's, but the us will do almost as well - gotta dash out, but will probably be in touch later20:23
jXso any stereo w/mic headset should work20:23
JoshTriplettnidO: hang on.20:23
aspiditesjX: as long as it doesn't say "for iphone/pod ? :)20:23
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jXeven if it does20:24
zaheermElvaron, an improved zoutube is cxoming, the blocker awaiting a new name that doesn't include most of google's video service in its name :)20:24
JoshTriplettnidO: What do you need, exactly?  I can make a good recommendation.20:24
JoshTriplettnidO: The usual VPS services, decent price, good service, etc?20:24
aspiditesjX: thanks, I'll shop around then20:24
jXalso, bluetooth!20:24
luke-jrJoshTriplett: <.<20:24
Arif_eyephone's mic and sound pins are switched20:24
Arif_so the mic won't work :P20:24
jXORLY? Typical apple.20:24
Arif_and you'll hear hissing sounds20:25
jX"Hey, let's make this trivially different for no good reason other than to fuck with people."20:25
Elvaronaspidites: are you talking headset, so mic included, or only earphones?20:25
JoshTriplettluke-jr: I don't have enough scrollback for context. :)20:25
JoshTriplettluke-jr: I just saw a mention of the need for a VPS.20:25
Elvaroncause i've been using my zune things without any problems20:25
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luke-jrJoshTriplett: context: my VPS sale :P20:25
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Ah. :)20:25
nidOJoshTriplett all I was after was a supercheap vps with a half decent pipe for some script development, I work for a fairly large uk shared/vps host myself so dont have much need for proper systems ;)20:25
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jXnidO: how cheap?20:26
JoshTriplettnidO: I use, personally.  They have unmetered bandwidth; 5Mbps unmetered per share.20:26
nidOluke-jr comes in at £7 a month for my needs20:26
JoshTriplettnidO: And they have a great FOSS discount.20:26
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JoshTriplettnidO: I pay $7.50/month per share.20:26
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aspiditesElvaron: I'd want to go headset with mic, but if i must go earphone only to be safe i will20:26
JoshTriplettnidO: I'll guess that "?" meant "Euro"?20:26
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Elvaronzaheerm, thx, good to know20:27
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luke-jrJoshTriplett: GBP20:27
aspiditesthough, as i understand it, the problem ONLY arises with headsets?20:27
JoshTriplettnidO: OK.  Either way bigger than $, yes? :)20:27
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Elvaronwell for headset i'm using a nokia bluetooth headset in my car20:27
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luke-jrJoshTriplett: $9 equivalent20:27
Elvaronso no problems there, cause no cable20:27
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Ah.  Sounds pretty reasonable; what kind of services do you offer?20:27
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Or, rather, what does a $9 share buy? :)20:28
* Arif_ has klipsch S4s20:28
luke-jrJoshTriplett: $9/mo is 128 MB RAM (256 MB burst), 8 GB disk, 64 GB xfer + OpenVZ + IPv420:28
* ccooke recently switched from VPS servers to dedicated hardware20:28
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ccooke(two VMs down to one dedicated box)20:28
nidOheh our vm's mostly see people going the other way ;)20:29
luke-jr(base price there being $5/mo for just the shell over IPv6)20:29
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Ah.  In my case, $7.50/mo is 256MB RAM, 8GB disk, 5Mbps unmetered.20:29
* Arif_ has a dedicated server thats running out soon20:29
JoshTriplettluke-jr: (Just multiplied that out: 1567 GB xfer :)20:29
luke-jrJoshTriplett: unmetered != dedicated20:30
Elvaroninteresting, python-scapy installer is broken?20:30
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ccookenidO: are insanely cheap... €49 per month for a dedicated box. 2G RAM, dual core 64-bit athlon, 2TB of bandwidth per month (and if you go over 2TB, they only limit you to 10Mbit until you agree to pay for more)20:30
JoshTriplettluke-jr: I can saturate it 24 hours a day, and on one of those servers I do. :)20:30
luke-jrccooke: doesn't sound that cheap :p20:30
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Arif_ovh sounds cheaper to me...20:31
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ccooke... and some month when I have €200 spare, I can upgrade to a quad Core i7 920 box with 8G of RAM. (which is also €49/month, but has a €149 setup fee)20:31
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nidOyeah ccooke I got no need for anything at that kind of price as I can just comandeer one of work's many systems if needs must, just after a supercheap system to do script work on seperate from work20:32
luke-jrthat one sounds like a good deal20:32
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ccookeluke-jr: it's cheaper than the two decently specced VMs I used to use and *much* more powerful...20:32
ccookeand some point when I have the justification, I can just do the upgrade20:32
JoshTriplettccooke: I don't suppose they have any datacenters in the US? ;)20:32
ccookeJoshTriplett: nope :-)20:32
ccookeand if they did, I doubt they'd be that cheap20:32
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nidOI dont see why not, US colocation prices are lower than just about anywhere in europe20:33
JoshTriplettccooke: Oh well.  I like gandi, but the 200ms latency from here to Europe hurts. :)20:33
JoshTriplettnidO: Yeah, but bandwidth sucks.20:33
JoshTriplettnidO: Good luck getting unmetered bandwidth here for any reasonable price.20:33
nidOI would say cogent, but then i'd have to laugh at myself. :<20:34
Arif_you can get unmeterd for 20€ a month20:34
Arif_but the hardware is terrible :D20:34
JoshTriplettArif_: And 20€ per month sounds like a lot more than I currently pay. :)20:34
ccookeJoshTriplett: Out of interest, what *is* your latency to... say ?20:34
JoshTriplettccooke: From here in US/Pacific or from my VPS in France?20:35
Arif_I got mine for free20:35
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ccookeJoshTriplett: from US/Pacific, I guess20:35
ccookeone of my VMs was in the US, and I swaer I didn't get that terrible latency there20:35
ccookebut I forget where in the US it was, of course20:35
luke-jrmy CT dedi has awesome latency to Europe20:36
luke-jrusually under 100ms20:36
JoshTriplettccooke: On the other hand, ~15ms from my server at gandi. :)20:36
JoshTriplettluke-jr: East coast, makes sense.20:36
luke-jr100ms avg to
ccookeJoshTriplett: yeah, that's not too great. I'm usually running at ~22ms from here to there. Which isn't bad, considering it's a couple of countries away from me :-)20:36
ccooke(er. From me (London) to granite (germany))20:37
JoshTriplettccooke: If you want to ping from your location, try or, both hosted in the same gandi datacenter.20:37
* SpeedEvil sees 80ms to there. From sunny scotland.20:37
javispedrolol, the meego dot org guys do know what they're doing20:38
ccookeJoshTriplett: from work (in London) I'm getting ~19ms to :-)20:38
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javispedro(note that it's not
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ccookeow! and ~15ms from granite in germany20:38
JoshTriplettccooke: Consistency, yay. :)20:39
JoshTriplettccooke: (Also: "I ping London, I ping France...")20:39
Shapeshifterrepos down again?20:39
ccookehetzner and gandi must be pretty well connected, then20:39
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JoshTriplettccooke: if that helps.20:40
JoshTriplettnidO: Anyway, didn't mean to derail the discussion that much.  Just wanted to toss out a suggestion for a good provider.  I like them.20:41
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nidOyeah ta, just after whatever's cheap essentially ;)20:41
JoshTriplettluke-jr: How does one have burstable RAM, by the way?20:42
JoshTriplettluke-jr: I can understand burstable bandwidth, since you can always throttle it down.20:42
JoshTriplettluke-jr: What do you do if you have to un-burst RAM?  Swap it out? ;)20:42
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luke-jrJoshTriplett: pretty much, yeah20:42
openstandardsdid anyone see issue 84 of linuxuser & developer? :)20:42
JoshTriplettluke-jr: One of the reasons I like Xen, at least until KVM VPSes take off - you can't oversell RAM with Xen. :)20:43
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luke-jrJoshTriplett: basically, you have guaranteed RAM, and then you have RAM you're allowed to allocate :P20:43
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JoshTriplettluke-jr: Funny.20:43
luke-jruseful for compiling stuff20:43
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JoshTriplettluke-jr: I guess.  I like my 256MB of dedicated RAM. :)20:44
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ccookeJoshTriplett: Pretty good pricing model. I think I'll recommend that to a few people20:44
* Shapeshifter likes his free server at the uni.20:45
JoshTriplettluke-jr: And I could always use gandi's hourly shares to bump it to a few GB for an hour if I needed to compile something. ;)20:45
Shapeshiftereven if the only thing I run it for is irssi.20:45
JoshTriplettccooke: I like it a lot.  Their normal prices seem great, and they have incredibly good FOSS discounts I pay $7.50/mo instead of the usual $16 (or $14 if you pay annually).20:45
Shapeshifterthumbs up for wasting energy. :|20:45
JoshTriplettccooke: That last sentence no punctuation, sorry. ;)20:46
ccookeJoshTriplett: doesn't make sense for me - especially since I can do the huge upgrade anytime I need. I do too much stuff on it, basically20:46
ccookeJoshTriplett: but I know people who would love it20:46
JoshTriplettccooke: What do you mean by "huge upgrade"?20:46
JoshTriplettccooke: Oh, the dedicated i7 box?20:46
ccookeJoshTriplett: yes.20:46
Shapeshifter people have problems ...20:46
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ccookeJoshTriplett: Technically it'd mean getting the two, then transferring across while having them both running for a month, but...20:47
JoshTriplettccooke: Worth it.20:47
JoshTriplettccooke: Sounds like a steal.20:47
ccookeJoshTriplett: hell, yes. Especially since I can probably persuede someone else to pay for it - I run a few websites on there :-)20:48
JoshTriplettccooke: Heh.20:48
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JoshTriplettccooke: I just host my personal IMAP/HTTP/Jabber/backup server on it.20:49
JoshTriplettccooke: (And a separate server for a project I've started.)20:49
luke-jrJoshTriplett: you just hit the exact reason I even operate a hosting biz <.<20:49
JoshTriplettluke-jr: :)20:49
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Share the cost of a dedicated server?20:49
luke-jrreduce the cost of my own VPS20:49
JoshTriplettluke-jr: Sounds kinda like
JoshTriplettOne-off VPS between friends.20:50
ccookeJoshTriplett: Actually, one big thing that is really hard on VMs is being a VPN endpoint. How's gandi for that?20:51
JoshTriplettccooke: I can't think of any reason it wouldn't work; why?20:51
ccookeJoshTriplett: (most of them have crippled kernels with poor iptables support or no tun device)20:51
openstandardswhy does the calendar support suck so much on the n900....20:51
JoshTriplettccooke: *Ah*.20:51
JoshTriplettccooke: One moment.20:51
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ccookeJoshTriplett: basically, if you can supply your own kernel all is well. If you can't and it has full support... well, okay. Otherwise, doom.20:52
JoshTriplettccooke: You can't supply your own kernel, but theirs has /dev/net/tun and iptables, and it has module support. :)20:53
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ccookeJoshTriplett: not bad. Might grab a cheap one as a backup endpoint sometime, then20:54
FIQi really thinks on changing browser to fennec or something20:54
JoshTriplettccooke: They refund your first month automatically, so you could try it for a month. :)20:54
FIQi just can't stand that the default is so instable20:55
ccookeFIQ: Oh?20:55
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JoshTriplettFIQ: True, but Fennec doesn't do rotation or mouse-cursor mode.20:55
JoshTriplettFIQ: All of them have some limitations; I use both.20:55
FIQyou mean, landscape to portraitä20:56
JoshTriplettFIQ: Yeah.20:56
JoshTriplettFIQ: Fennec can't do portrait.20:56
JoshTriplettFIQ: The built-in browser can.20:56
FIQi never use portrait anyway except for the dial. :)20:56
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ccookeI found fennec a little too slow to be useful, still. Definitely getting there, though20:57
FIQmidori is interesting, but too slow and laggy20:57
FIQcompiling opera for arm would made my day. :D20:58
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Elvaronanyone tried out the jagged alliance 2 port on n900?20:59
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heoaHow can I stop SSHD? Why does the command "$ /usr/sbin/sshd stop" give "Extra argument stop."?21:09
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heoaperhaps I will just use kill21:10
GeneralAntillesheoa, upstart21:10
GeneralAntilles"stop sshd"21:10
GeneralAntillesas root21:10
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heoaGeneralAntilles: "$ upstart"  not found, "stop sshd" stop: not found21:13
GeneralAntillesAre you root? :)21:13
GeneralAntillesand this is on an N900, right?21:14
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heoaGeneralAntilles: no, N81021:15
GeneralAntillesAh, well, then it's not upstart21:15
GeneralAntillesIn which case you want "/etc/init.d/sshd stop"21:15
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GeneralAntillesheoa, just, fyi, the assumption these days is that most people requesting support are using Maemo 5, so it pays to specify if you're not. ;)21:16
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slonopotamuswtf happenned to xchat in fremantle?21:29
slonopotamusthis font destroys my eyes :(21:29
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slonopotamushow i fix fonts in fremantle xchat?21:31
andre__why are they borken?21:31
slonopotamusand why so slow?21:31
slonopotamusandre__: err... wanna screenshot of this crap?21:32
andre__shift to the p?21:33
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Elvaronhuh... i got jagged alliance 2 to use /home/user/MyDocs/games/ja2 as data_dir, but now i get Home directory /home/user not ours. (twice) ERROR: caught unhandled exception: Opening file failed wtf?21:34
Elvaronoh maybe root is the problem21:34
Elvaronna, still crashs21:35
heoaGeneralAntilles: thank you.21:35
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slonopotamusW: Failed to fetch  Hash Sum mismatch21:37
andre__slonopotamus, not happening here. check your settings in xchat?21:37
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heoaN810: how can you get adduser-command?21:37
slonopotamusandre__: everything default. i just got fully reflashed n900 from repair service21:38
slonopotamusfrom settings: font - MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 1421:38
heoaI don't want to allow Root-access via SSHD, so I need another user21:38
slonopotamusandre__: what font do you have?21:38
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slonopotamusand how i move channel list to the left21:39
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slonopotamusk, channel list moved21:41
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slonopotamusnow this crappy font...21:41
* noobmonk3y waves21:41
slonopotamusShrik3: Of course it isn't21:41
Shrik3so nokia gives N900 users the finger and everyone is happy?21:42
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* noobmonk3y licks the finger..... oooo21:42
ml-mobilethat post is completely unsubstantiated21:42
andre__slonopotamus, Nokia Sans 11 here21:42
ml-mobileno reference, no credibility21:42
Vrathaalso. the meego guys said the n900 is the ref platform and it's a joint partnership between intel and nokia21:43
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Vrathawouldn't worr about it21:43
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ShadowJK"a" ref platform, not "the"21:43
Vrathano real difference when it comes to support21:44
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Vrathaas long as the n900 is targeted21:44
ShadowJKas far as support goes, even if meego works on N900 doesn't mean Nokia will put meego on N90021:44
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noobmonk3ynope but being open source, as long as the hardware matches, i bet it wont take long to get it onto the N900 :D21:45
slonopotamusandre__: 11 is too small. i can use only 1421:45
* ShadowJK uses 1021:45
Vrathai don't ask nokia for anything more than hw support anyway.  their sw support isn't the greatest as it stands21:46
ShadowJKor whatever the smallest in xterm is :D21:46
slonopotamusShadowJK: that destroyes poor eyes21:46
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slonopotamushow i change font size in xchat channel list?21:47
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Vrathairssi all the way for me on the n900!21:47
ShadowJKit requires a restart of xchat i think21:48
Vrathacan't get enough irssi when i'm on irc21:48
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slonopotamuschannel list font is too small21:50
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Vrathayou may like irssi more21:50
Vrathaif you're more into using the keyboard for navigation21:51
slonopotamusShrik3: 'maemo not upgradeable to meego' != 'no meego for n900 ever'21:53
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noobmonk3yno it doesnt21:53
noobmonk3yjust means you cant upgrade ota21:53
Elvaronhmm anyone got an idea why i'm getting a Failed to open file error with the jagged alliance 2 game on n900? i'd ask in the specific forum thread but it tells me i dont have the privileges needed (for whatever reason o_O)21:53
noobmonk3yif the hardware on the n900 can match21:53
Shrik3of course The Community will port meego for n90021:53
noobmonk3yit will be fine21:53
Shrik3and the two overworked coders Nokia will assign to the project part-time21:53
noobmonk3ymeans you will need to flash it to meego......21:53
slonopotamusShrik3: maemo isn't upgradeable to mer. though you _can_ have mer on nits.21:54
noobmonk3ysaying maemo is not upgradable to meego is just like saying vista is not upgradable t owindows 7 - but you can install windows 7 on a clean install :)21:54
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slonopotamusnoobmonk3y: vista isn't? why?21:55
noobmonk3ylol just an example :D21:55
noobmonk3yok, use windows 95 -> windows 7 as an example :D21:55
slonopotamusi thought you can take windows 95 and upgrade it all eay up to windows 721:55
noobmonk3ymeh but you get my jyst lol21:55
infobotslonopotamus meant: i thought you can take windows 95 and upgrade it all way up to windows 721:56
noobmonk3yok... it's like saying ubuntu is not upgradable to windows 7....... (Still a different OS!)21:56
noobmonk3yinfobot wants my babies tonight......21:56
slonopotamusnoobmonk3y: it is a downgrade :P21:56
noobmonk3ylol ;)21:56
noobmonk3yok, scrap that its like windows 7 -> windows 3.11?21:56
tybolltwhat an outrage!21:57
Vrathai'd take window 7 over ubuntu21:57
tybolltinfobot to give birth to noobmonkeys babies!21:57
slonopotamustybollt: did you break extras-devel?21:57
noobmonk3ytybollt - how long to irc bots take? still 9 months?21:57
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slonopotamus~poke tybollt21:57
* infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tybollt, pokes tybollt repeatedly, hilarity ensues.21:57
tybolltslonopotamus: ugh, no I didn't?21:57
tybolltwhat the hell happened?21:57
* tybollt is at work...21:58
* noobmonk3y thinks the poking is going to end in tears21:58
slonopotamuswho stole the cookie from the cookie jar? err... wrong msg. who broke extras-devel? and who's fixing it?21:58
heoaShrik3: don't be to pessimistic yet. N900 may be the last really Open phone21:59
tybolltslonopotamus: seriiously, what's up?21:59
slonopotamusheoa: n900 ain't open21:59
luke-jrheoa: N900 isn't open21:59
slonopotamustybollt: checksum mismatch while downloading Packages.gz21:59
heoaslonopotamus: luke-jr asked a dev and they called it "open" and sensed that there is worries to make things less open because of problems to monetise maemo22:00
tybolltslonopotamus: ugh - better speak to the peeps in charge then.22:00
luke-jrheoa: false advertising22:00
kynkyn900 seems more open than most other phones22:01
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wazdkynky: freerunner is more open22:01
slonopotamusnokians have special (read: marketing crap) definitions of commonly used terms22:01
heoaluke-jr: perhaps but it is a real worry that things get more closed again, see how Android code gone fram Linux kernel22:01
luke-jrheoa: that's because nobody (developers) cares about Android22:02
ml-mobilefreerunner is more open, it also sucks :P22:02
slonopotamusluke-jr: actually it's more closed (feature-wise) than n8x0.22:02
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luke-jrslonopotamus: I care only about essentials, not shipped software.22:02
slonopotamusml-mobile: n900 also sucks. battery life is crap, usb connector issue is insane22:02
ml-mobilebattery life is low if you, you know, use it heavily22:03
slonopotamusluke-jr: no open telephony for n900.22:03
luke-jrI hear Freerunner has a (community-made) update that makes it usable.22:03
slonopotamusml-mobile: battery life is lower than n800 under same usage.22:03
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ShadowJKslonopotamus, cellular radio off?22:04
luke-jrcompare to Nokia where community *can't* do such things because the drivers are closed22:04
ml-mobilethe cpu is also much weaker22:04
ShadowJKeven with it on, N900 seems to use less power for me in similar use as browsing on my N810... and N900 has about twice the CPU speed of N8x0..22:04
heoaluke-jr: slonopotamus is N900 more open than n810 or vice versa?22:04
kynkymeego looks intresting22:04
ml-mobilefreerunner's problem is the hardware sucks22:05
kynkyn8x0 didnt have closed telephony22:05
heoakynky: sounds marketing to me, always suppose the worst :)22:05
luke-jrheoa: I'd say N900 beats N810 on drivers22:05
SpeedEvilkynky: yes, it did.22:05
luke-jrheoa: maybe22:05
slonopotamusheoa: you can use higher % of features on n8x0 using opensource stuff than on n900.22:05
luke-jrkynky: N8x0 didn't have telephony period22:05
SpeedEvilkynky: the interface for the GSM module still hasn't been released.22:05
* noobmonk3y prods lcuk22:05
* lcuk prods noobmonk3y back from his slumber22:06
noobmonk3ylol.... asleep at the pc again ?22:06
StskeepsSpeedEvil: ofono has a semi decent isimodem22:06
ml-mobileI thought Jebba got ofono to make a call in redhat22:06
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ShadowJKi think it was on fedora?22:07
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keesjscp upload to extras broken?22:07
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slonopotamusheoa: n8x0 has closed battery, gps, wifi and sound. n900 also has closed telephony.22:07
lcuknoobmonk3y, more like cant sleep still22:07
kynkyfor me n900 seemed most linuxy of all the phones whilst providing a deccent featureset22:07
noobmonk3y:( thats pants :(22:07
ShadowJKslonopotamus, there's opensource wifi driver for n8x022:07
noobmonk3ylcuk, python query for ya...... (Might put you to sleep)22:07
ShadowJKnot that anybody seems to care..22:07
slonopotamusShadowJK: not firmware,22:07
ShadowJKwell that's true for most wifi :)22:08
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luke-jrslonopotamus: N8x0 has open wifi22:08
noobmonk3yhealthcheck has dependencies that are in extras devel i think, and crappy un-optified nokia ones...... whats the chances of any of that improving (allthough, doesnt seem to have had any issues in testing)22:08
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slonopotamusluke-jr: firmware.22:08
heoaslonopotamus: what does "closed" mean? obfuscated code, binary code, no source or something else?22:08
lcuknoobmonk3y, which dependencies22:08
heoaslonopotamus: no manual?22:08
luke-jrslonopotamus: firmware isn't software.22:08
slonopotamusheoa: no source.22:08
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luke-jrheoa: no source22:08
luke-jrno specs22:09
heoaslonopotamus: any API?22:09
luke-jrAPI is irrelevant22:09
slonopotamusheoa: just blobs.22:09
noobmonk3ylcuk : not sure which ones are which, was just a comment earlier - all installed are : python2.5, python2.5-qt4-gui, python2.5-qt4-core, python-dbus, python2.5-gtk2, python-location, gstreamer-tools22:09
noobmonk3yi'm assumping the qt ones are unoptified?22:09
noobmonk3ypretty sure gstreamer is in dev with python location?22:09
lcukthe qt ones arent in extras yet are they?22:10
ptlDid you guys test the hack which gives you 9 desktops instead of the regular 4?22:10
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noobmonk3yerm, isnt 4.6 i dont think22:10
noobmonk3ystill using the old ones, but no-ones complained in testing?22:10
slonopotamusptl: i use only 2 :/22:10
lcukptl, only 9?22:10
lcuki want over 900022:11
noobmonk3ylol lcuk - and ptl, no not yet, 4 is enough for me ;)22:11
noobmonk3ythe never ending desktop could be entertaining22:11
lcuki wouldnt mind the menus being turned into a desktop and each app too22:11
ptlit seems the 9 are in all directions, not only horizontal22:11
lcukso starting an app would just be added as another desk22:11
ShadowJKI don't really use the desktops22:11
lcukso you can pan through everything (and still have dashboard22:12
* slonopotamus kicks again22:12
lcukbut dashboard should show desks too22:12
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ptlyou mean like a pager?22:12
lcukdunno what a pager would look like22:12
slonopotamusJaffa: ping. extras-devel is broken :(22:12
ptlis it?22:13
ptlPR 1.2 is not out yet!!! It was meant to be out last month :-/22:13
andre__ptl: please provide a source that stated that PR1.2 was meant to be out last month.22:14
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kynkytwitter ?22:14
TomaszDyeah, ptl, go on.22:15
Elvarondammit, why cant i get jagged alliance 2 working -.-22:15
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lcuknoobmonk3y, in python what would be the simplest qt app to display a dialog box be22:17
lcukjust something to select from 3 options "noobmonkey is:   ( ) cool     ( ) ok     ( ) meh    [Accept]"22:18
lcukcould you pastebin a quick file with that in? :$22:19
lcukwhen you get back of course22:19
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ptlandre__: that was a red herring, just to see if anyone involved on it would respond :P22:20
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ptlanyway I think I read it somewhere, but it was of course not authoritative22:21
cedaranyone know how to get a signal strength reading from a 3g card? in linux (specifically maemo)22:21
* noobmonk3y is back22:21
ShadowJKcedar, what device?22:22
andre__ptl: Nokia never announces dates in advance (which is of course only half of the truth as we were promised portrait browsing for christmas. that was a broken promise)22:22
SpeedEvilcedar: what device?22:22
SpeedEvilcedar: That would be an ecumenical matter.22:22
SpeedEvilcedar: Err - I mean - vary depending on the hardware.22:22
SpeedEvilcedar: on n900 - you get dbus events on the current signal strenght22:22
cedarwell I've got a Merlin ex72022:23
cedarits from sprint22:23
noobmonk3yooo lcuck will just code 1 up for ya22:23
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thpcan someone post a working link for the flasher? does not like me atm22:23
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slonopotamushmm... it's either placebo effect, or my new n900 internals work faster than before22:23
noobmonk3yafert i randomly disconnect lol22:23
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SpeedEvilsignal sender=:1.17 -> dest=(null destination) serial=8797 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change22:23
cedar@SpeedEvil i've got it hooked up to a n81022:23
lcukthanks noobmonk3y22:23
SpeedEvilcedar: google for at* commands for it?22:24
SpeedEvilslonopotamus: internals?22:24
cedar@SpeedEvil ok thanks i'll see what that turns up22:24
slonopotamusSpeedEvil: it was at repair service and they replaced whole motherboard22:24
ptlcedar: dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_signal_strength22:24
lcukandre__, theres a bug list query posted on tmo at the moment offering lots of pr1.2 resolveds, thats a nice large number of fixes22:25
* SpeedEvil wants scrap motherboards.22:25
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ptllcuk: yes, that's why I want PR1.2 so badly22:25
lcukptl :)22:25
w00tlcuk: so much for that snooze, eh?22:25
cedar@ptl thanks, but I don't think that will work on diablo..i'm running a n81022:26
fralsgah wheres vdvsx when you need him22:26
lcukyeah w00t22:26
lcukbtw w00t if i do go to sleep talk with noobmonk3y, hes randomly making me a tiny pyqt dialog box with some options22:26
w00tlcuk: lol :)22:26
ptlcedar: oh... ok22:26
noobmonk3ywhilst getting changed lol be 2 mins22:26
pupnik_anyone here going to be near darmstadt / frankfurt in april?22:27
w00tnoobmonk3y: good to hear we've another (py)qt fellow amongst us22:27
andre__lcuk, URL?22:27
ptlpyqt or pyside?22:27
godrikw00t: gtk is so much better </joke>22:27
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w00tptl: for most intents and purposes, the two are equivilent22:27
* lcuk is surprised by qt bringing in gtk22:27
* lcuk laughs everytime he sees that22:28
ptlbringing in gtk?22:28
w00tlcuk: why? it *does* try get as close to native rendering as possible ;)22:28
ptlwhat do you mean?22:28
w00tptl: qt (on maemo, and other platforms as required) uses gtk to render widgets, because that is the native style22:28
lcukcan i run qt "natively"22:29
keesjw00t: I believe that is false.22:29
ptlw00t: duh! really? o0 that is bad, isn't it? memory wasted on the same thing twice22:29
w00tkeesj: it isn't22:29
w00tlcuk: mm, there is probably a fallback style, i've never looked into it22:29
keesjit's true for wxwidgets22:29
w00tkeesj: look into the QMaemo5Style code (and other styles), it's how it works22:30
w00tit doesn't use native platform event loop and other crap like wxwidgets22:30
w00tbut it does use native API to render22:30
lcukw00t, it should use native22:30
w00tlcuk: lol22:31
mikhasyou have no clue22:31
keesjqt doens't have a dep on gtk22:31
mikhasthe port was done by what, a team of two people?22:31
w00tkeesj: one moment22:31
mikhasit was the most efficient way22:31
mikhasdeveloper-timer wise22:31
ptl4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5 - libc6 (2 2.5.0-1) libgcc1 (2 1:4.2.1) libglib2.0-0 (2 2.14.6-1osso1) libstdc++6 (2 4.2.1) zlib1g (2 1:1.2.1)22:31
* lcuk understands that22:31
w00tmikhas: not even just developer time22:31
ptlno gtk there22:31
ptlbut there is libglib22:32
w00tI'm not saying this for the fun of it22:32
w00tit's in the documentation22:32
w00thold on, I'll find the code too22:32
ptlthis is weird22:32
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noobmonk3ylcuk - similar to this (sorry about tabs, copied from my old test code!)22:32
keesjstyle != code22:32
w00tit shouldn't come as a revelation -- it's how Qt works on all platforms22:32
w00tkeesj: ..what?22:32
lcukkeesj, read the next line22:32
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w00tQStyles are how widgets are rendered.22:32
lcukc&p fail22:32
lcukNote: The style requires GTK+ version 2.10 or later and the special patched GTK+ Hildon include files.22:33
noobmonk3yfound where i nabbed it from22:33
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mikhasif you are bored you can render your qt app in win95 style on the n90022:33
lcukbloody nora noobmonk3y lol22:33
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noobmonk3yi dont do things by half - instead of coding i knew i had seen a link before22:33
lcukmikhas, what would i render it using if i was in kde?22:33
noobmonk3yfound the code then found the link , typical22:34
noobmonk3ylol mikhas22:34
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lcuki *like* the style engine22:34
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lcuki just want to know wht the fastest would be22:34
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lcukfastest usually == most efficient22:34
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w00tlcuk: kde is a bit of a special case22:34
noobmonk3yfastest can = quickest shortcut ;)22:34
lcuknot really22:34
w00tlcuk: yes, it is22:35
lcukits qt home turf22:35
w00tlcuk: no22:35
noobmonk3ylol just read back up  - hi w00t :D22:35
w00tlcuk: kde has entirely seperate classes built on top of kde, including style22:35
noobmonk3yand yup learning python / qt :D22:35
lcukok so those kde style classes arent included by default22:35
keesjlooks like you are right dammit I hate when that happens22:35
lcukwhat happens if you want to run qt on a system with *shock* no gtk22:35
w00tlcuk: I don't know for sure, but you'd probably get plastique styling22:36
noobmonk3yit cries lcuk22:36
keesjstill it's only for the style22:36
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noobmonk3yyeah defaults to plastique22:36
lcukkeesj, sure22:36
w00toh, hey, -style command line option22:37
w00tI forgot about that22:37
* w00t plays with it22:37
lcukok so plastique would be the default22:37
mikhasand there goes w00t's evening ...22:37
lcukcan i force that on qt4.6 on maemo?22:37
w00tlcuk: i'm about to experiment with exactly that22:38
lcuk:D ocol22:38
lcukgreat w00t22:38
w00tmikhas: yes, annoyingly, i should be setting up scratchbox instead22:38
w00t... now I know why I'm procrastinating :-)22:38
* noobmonk3y is off out for bday beers (not mine lol)22:38
* noobmonk3y waves, ciaoooooooo22:38
mikhasno maemo5 sdk gui installer for your box?22:38
w00tmikhas: I had a fight with it earlier22:39
mikhasthen you can procrastinstall sbox22:39
w00tmikhas: 'must be root'22:39
w00t'oh I can't run as root, bad permissions'22:39
andre__lcuk, thanks for the tmo link. I took it as an opportunity to explain what I did today :)22:39
w00t'now I just won't run'22:39
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w00t#stupid thing22:39
mikhassudo python
infobotw00t meant: stupid thing22:39
w00tmikhas: let me explain in more detail22:39
mikhasno, thanks =)22:40
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mikhasI fear I am not able to solve any more mysteries today22:40
w00tI tried to run it as nonroot, it told me to sudo, I sudo'd, it told me a bunch of random permissions were at the wrong uid (not root), so I fixed those, and it decided to just not work at all without any error messag22:40
lcukandre__, :)22:40
mikhasok, that's awkward22:40
w00tso now I'm at the stage where I'm just going to use the .sh22:40
mikhaswrite a mail to the team22:41
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w00tlcuk: plastique is so so so so very ugly on the n900. :P22:41
lcukw00t, obviously22:41
lcukis plastique a standalone style class22:41
andre__mikhas: "I fear I am not able to solve any more mysteries today" - wrong drugs? ;-)22:41
w00tlcuk: I can check, hold on22:41
lcukie is it possible to make a completely custom style for maemo22:41
w00tlcuk: well, yes, it will be22:42
mikhasandre__, hum ...22:42
w00tlcuk: yes, standalone22:43
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lcukso a lightweight cpu/battery/speed friendly style might be practical22:43
lcuk(im actually thinking n810)22:43
burchrQWindowsStyle would be -very- battery friendly22:44
burchryou might gouge your eyes out though22:44
lcuki can recreate visual basic22:45
w00twhy am I talking with two mes22:46
w00tthis is getting confusing22:46
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lcukthats for you to decide22:46
lcukawww crap, running low on rootfs, only got 90mb free22:47
w00tI reflashed recently22:47
w00tso I don't have that pain22:47
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burchrapparantly I do22:47
burchrthat's interesting22:47
burchrrootfs reports 50m free22:47
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mgedmin"only" 90mb? luxury!!!22:48
* lcuk giggles22:48
* burchr wonders where his megabytes went22:48
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* mgedmin is happy he still has 15 mb left22:48
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lcukyou realise in times past that would be enough for 15 OS bootups22:48
Arif_I don't know how much I have22:49
lcuk1 floppy per system22:49
w00tI was just thinking back to my first computer22:49
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w00twhich had a *tape* as a drive22:49
SpeedEvil800M free here.22:49
SpeedEvilthat's on the chroot22:49
w00tin those days, 15mb would have been a luxury22:49
lcuklol SpeedEvil22:49
Arif_on a 256M drive?22:49
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Arif_impressive SpeedEvil!22:49
w00tSpeedEvil: you made me think you had a n1000 for a moment22:49
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ptlmy first computer had 8kb RAM plus 8 kB extension. And a regular tape recorder attached to it so I could spend 15 minutes waiting for a text game to be loaded into memory. After less than 2 hours the computer would get too hot and I had to turn it off.22:55
ptlIt had the staggering resolution of 160x120 with 4 colors or 256x192 b/w.22:56
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lcukoi ptl22:58
lcukyou could dither22:58
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w00tptl: you had *colour*?22:59
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w00t(I do remember the good old tape loading times, though..)22:59
lcukbooooooooop bip22:59
lcukbooooooooooooooo dildididlkddldldidoldidlidldlididld23:00
Arif_comodore 64 ftw23:00
w00tthe scary thing is that I can still mimic the tones of the tape loader mine had when loading a certain tape23:00
Arif_you need help!23:00
lcukw00t, tv shows have memorable theme tunes :)23:00
lcukspeaking of which i once recorded the a team23:01
lcukwith a tape recorder23:01
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w00tyou frighten me23:01
lcukand listened to it when i got home :$23:01
SpeedEvil /usr/bin/gnu/find /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /sbin /bin /usr/bin/X11 -mount -size +20k  -ctime -5023:02
SpeedEvilI was going to write a nice per-package breakdown of K on /23:02
SpeedEvilbut meh23:02
* slonopotamus wonders how much it would cost to replace n800 screen23:02
lcukSpeedEvil, i just went a bit further
SpeedEvil24M free now23:03
SpeedEvil /var/apt is huge23:04
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lcuk78mb free now23:04
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* lcuk needs one of those speed dials as a widget23:04
lcukshowing rootfs space23:04
lcukreally complex graphics23:05
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lcuknot optified23:05
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w00tso it always points at 0?23:05
ptluse that perl script for finding non-optified packages23:05
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lcuki looked in the storage for candle and glitterball and stuff23:05
lcukand they cheat!23:05
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lcuki tohught they were live rendered23:05
lcukbut theres loads of graphics behind them23:05
* lcuk is glad they are optified23:06
Elvaronwhy is not working? orz23:06
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ptl  ---> perl script for finding the packages' use of rootfs23:06
Elvaronsomething something maintenance?23:06
ptlElvaron: because they are changing it to announce the release of PR1.223:06
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lcukerr not any more23:06
* SpeedEvil wonders if pr1.1.1 will hti in the UK23:07
Arif_the site is borked!23:07
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Elvarontold ya23:07
* lcuk runs around screaming23:08
* SpeedEvil runs around hoovering.23:08
* Arif_ doubts new firmware will be released at 22:08 :P23:08
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Elvaronat least i can play ff7 on my n90023:08
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Elvaronat like 1fps23:08
Noobmonk3yf5? lol23:08
Arif_Elvaron, buy a psp23:08
Elvaroni HAVE a psp :P23:08
SpeedEvilArif_: Can it run maemo?23:09
SpeedEvilArif_: are all the drivers open?23:09
Arif_CTRL W!23:09
* lcuk strongly dislikes ubuntu sometimes23:09
Arif_no, but it runs FF723:09
Elvaronplaying a game on the system it was designed for is like buying a car at retail price23:09
lcuki click close button on topmost app and sometimes it closes the app behind23:09
* Noobmonk3y thinks a psp would be open.... if a sledgehammer was involved23:09
lcukor i grab topmost to move to different screen and it takes the wrong one23:09
Arif_FF7 isn't designed for PSP :P23:09
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Elvaronit's PSX2PSP port, sold through PSN store, is, tho23:10
Arif_that's aport :D23:10
Noobmonk3yhmmmmm my update app thingy just tool 4 mintes to run......23:10
Arif_and buy? meh :P23:10
Noobmonk3ytoo long*23:10
Elvaroni never said i bought it23:10
Elvaronanywho, if you want to categorize it as a port on the psp, then the PSP == n900 in that regard23:11
Arif_the word scares me :P23:11
Arif_the PSP runs it at full speed!23:11
Elvarondefine full speed23:11
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Arif_you can also play the 5 games that were released for it!23:11
Elvarontheres more than 5 games for it^^23:11
Arif_full speed=60FPS?23:11
Arif_or 5023:11
Arif_if you're in yourope23:12
Noobmonk3y4 more than the n900 lol23:12
Elvaroni think there were even like 10 good games on the PSP23:12
Arif_the N900 has 1 demo23:12
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lcuki like the look of that roller coaster game :$23:12
SpeedEvilArif_: blocks!23:12
Noobmonk3ytwas a sexy demo..... bit bored of it now23:12
* lcuk wants to play23:12
SpeedEvilArif_: neglecting the bugs.23:12
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Arif_and one tech teaser23:12
Noobmonk3yi just want a game that can keep me entertained for over 5 mins23:12
Arif_I finished bounce in 2 minutes...23:13
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lcukNoobmonk3y, you have that23:13
Elvaronwell i have 1-2 FPS on the n900... and 1200 FPS on my computer... so the n900 is closer to the PSP, i.e. more suitable to play ff7 than my computer23:13
lcukyou are leveling up nicely23:13
lcukbig boss at end of level is coming23:13
Noobmonk3ylol lcuk.... maemo mmo.... kinda like drugwars23:13
lcukif you get past it your app gets into extras23:13
lcukand you unlock a new hairstyle23:13
Arif_only thing decent for gaming on the N900 is drnoksnes23:13
Noobmonk3y36 hours till then23:13
SpeedEvilNoobmonk3y: nethack.23:14
Arif_and maybe the n64 emulator in a month or 523:14
SpeedEvilNoobmonk3y: it works OK actually.23:14
Elvaroni'd love to try out jagged alliance 2 for n900 but i cant get it started...23:14
SpeedEvilNoobmonk3y: yes.23:14
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SpeedEvilThere is a nethack binary somewhere.23:14
Elvaronwell, i was really only checking to see if ff7 would even start. and its starting and having sound, too. so "only" a matter of performance :)23:14
SpeedEvilI was playing it for a bit.23:14
Noobmonk3yhi tux,23:15
SpeedEvilIt's actually sort-of-playable in vikeys mode.23:15
Tuxprobeanyone but me having troubles with apt-get update in scratchbox today?23:15
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Noobmonk3ytuxer, having probs with it on my device lol23:15
Noobmonk3yspeed, is it in devel?23:15
* Arif_ waits for a dreamcast emulator:P23:16
Noobmonk3yhmmm how do i auo complete nicks in xchat?23:16
Tuxprobeyea just tried on the device as well, getting a lot of timeouts :/23:16
SpeedEvilNoobmonk3y: dunno. I don't think so.23:16
Tuxprobeseems to be causing troubles23:16
SpeedEvilNoobmonk3y: vultures claw is. I don't like that though. It's not a sane first experience.23:16
Arif_sonic adventure 2 portable=win23:17
Noobmonk3yi think drugwars could be ported quite easily23:17
Noobmonk3ythe incredible machine would be cool too! (TIM)23:18
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Arif_what about jazz jackrabbit 223:19
Elvaroncouldnt you run that in dosbox?23:19
Arif_its a wind00z game23:20
Elvaronisnt that sort of stuff all abandonware these days? i'd enjoy a lot of those games ported. Dune2, Commander Keen Series, Captain Comic, Duke Nukem 1+2, Battle Isle series, etc23:20
Noobmonk3ythe original tim was dos'd23:20
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Elvaroni havent tried out n900's dosbox app yet, anyone else got experiences to tell?23:21
lcukin the modern copyright age there is almost no such thing as abandonware23:21
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SpeedEvillcuk: Sure there is. Lots of difference engine games are out of copyright.23:22
lcuki really do wish tho that once software is EOLed it can be placed on an open to all comers list23:23
lcukSpeedEvil, really?23:23
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lcuksince copyright is 80 years after death of creator etc23:23
pupnik_Elvaron: use native duke nukem port - dosbox is playable up to abit 199123:23
lcuk(or whatever specific it is, its way before invention of computers23:23
Noobmonk3ynot all copyright.....23:23
mgedmincopyright is forever ...23:24
ElvaronDN1 came out 91, DN2 9323:24
lcukSpeedEvil, ok how many fps can that get :D23:24
mgedminat least the media people keep extending the term all the time23:24
Elvaronthere are no native ports yet, of course23:24
pupnik_baloney - google duke nukem n90023:24
Elvaroni dont find that23:25
Elvaronoh wait23:25
Elvaronits in the games that work well with dosbox thread on maemo talk23:25
Elvaroncan only be played with external keyboard tho23:26
pupnik_Elvaron: i helpe port it23:26
Kegetysduke nukem != duke nukem 3d ;)23:26
Elvaronthank you @ Kegetys23:26
pupnik_ahh i see23:26
Elvaron <- Duke Nukem23:26
pupnik_forgot the 2d version23:26
lcukSpeedEvil, a pocketable difference engine would be very steampunk23:29
Arif_what about a port of icy tower23:29
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lcukshit, its valerio23:30
cehtehhow about global search within contacts and calendar, imap idle in modest and fixing other nastyness first?23:30
lcukquick hide the chips and software23:30
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lcukput away the booze23:30
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Elvaronoooh i think i might be able to run Ultima 6 through dosbox *getting into a crazy stare mode*23:30
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Arif_cehteh, nah. that has nothing to do with games =P23:30
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Arif_they should fix the media player first of all if they want to improve the OS :P23:31
Elvaronwoah, theres EPIC PINBALL... i TOTALLY forgot about that game23:31
cehtehworks for me .. and mplayer for the rest23:31
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Arif_(K)MPlayer needs a repeat function23:32
Arif_and the built in one should stop crashing every 3 minutes23:32
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Elvaronanyhow, if any of you got the jagged alliance 2 port to run and feel like helping me out, it would make my day^^23:33
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Elvaronwoah jetpack... retro fun ftw23:35
Noobmonk3ybrb trying out tuxrace23:36
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ptlElvaron: I got it to run, what do you want?23:41
ptlyou just have to copy the Data directory to /home/user/MyDocs/ja2data/Data23:41
ptland run ja223:42
ptlthat's it23:42
Elvaroni put them in ...MyDocs/games/ja2/ and set that path in the ja2.ini23:42
Elvaronand i'm getting a Opening file failed error23:42
Elvaronbut since i only have the german version of the game here, that might be a cause of problem23:42
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ptlI don't remember ever editting ja2.ini23:43
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Elvaronwhere did you get your working data files?23:44
ptltry to ?:/home/user/MyDocs/ja2data# cat /home/user/.ja2/ja2.ini23:44
ptldata_dir = /home/user/MyDocs/ja2data23:44
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Noobmonk3yomg tuxrace is awesome!!!23:44
Arif_what's ja223:44
* Noobmonk3y is happy23:44
Elvaronjagged alliance 223:44
ptlArif_: Jagged Alliance 223:44
Arif_tactical role playing eh23:44
Arif_not hanks23:45
Arif_Noobmonk3y, yes it is!23:45
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ElvaronOpening file failed23:48
ElvaronCreating an emergency savegame failed.23:48
Arif_I'd like normal controls though23:48
Noobmonk3yhmmmm kinda like it as is!23:49
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ptljust tried tuxracer again23:50
ptlevolved a lot from 0.1 to 0.323:50
haltdeftotally forgot about that game23:50
Noobmonk3ygreat port23:51
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Tuxprobeomg omg23:53
haltdeflol nice23:53
haltdef0.1 * Crappy Initial Release.23:53
Tuxprobewell might as well give up for the night23:53
TuxprobeE: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?23:53
Tuxprobei A>M<!23:53
Vrathaanyone used a bt mouse with the n900?  if so, does it actually show a cursor?23:54
villagerVratha: judging from all the requests for help finding a way to show one... no23:57
Arif_tuxrace needs keyboard control23:57
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Noobmonk3ynaaaaaa :) all part oft the fun!23:58
redHow do you guys feel about SEPA payments and CIA being a big brother and getting to log all transactions made? :o23:58
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ptlkeyboard control? where? I just played it only with the touchscreen and accelerometer23:58
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ptlversion 0.1 needed it23:59
Arif_I said needs23:59
Shapeshifterred: huh23:59
ptl0.3 doesn't, I think23:59
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Noobmonk3ynaaa dont think it does23:59
haltdefaccelerometer control no good?23:59
haltdefnever owned a phone that has one23:59
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ptlaccelerometer control is nice for games like tuxracer23:59

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