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| pronto | so when i try to untar something on the n900, with "tar xvf file.tar.bz2" i get tar: invalid tar magic | 00:06 |
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| FredrIQ | hm | 00:06 |
| Dragnslcr | If it's bzipped, you have to add that option to tar | 00:06 |
| pronto | i've never had to do that before | 00:07 |
| Dragnslcr | I know gzip is -z | 00:07 |
| FredrIQ | seems like supertuxkart has open gl es, it's possible to run in easy debian | 00:07 |
| jjo | zip is -j | 00:07 |
| jjo | bzip that is | 00:07 |
| FredrIQ | it is way from fast - but it seems to run | 00:07 |
| pronto | with tar on any desktop distro , its never matter if it was gz or bz2 , tar xvf has always worked | 00:07 |
| FredrIQ | so a port would be possible i guess | 00:08 |
| Dragnslcr | Must be a magic version of tar you've been using | 00:08 |
| Dragnslcr | I've always used -z, though I haven't tried without it | 00:08 |
| pronto | wait does the tar on the n900 not even support bz2 O_o | 00:09 |
| Dragnslcr | Hm, looks like it might not | 00:10 |
| Dragnslcr | I'm not sure if bzip2 is installed by default, so that might be part of it | 00:12 |
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| dregin | is it possible to clone a git repo from within esbox? | 00:15 |
| ptl | is there a way to calibrate the accelerometer? | 00:15 |
| dregin | egit had unmet dependancies when I tried to install it. | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | How is Skype integrated into the N900? | 00:15 |
| ptl | via the messaging infrastructure. | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | I make a connection to Skype through ... ? | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | ah, the messaging. cool | 00:15 |
| ptl | through the telephone app | 00:15 |
| ptl | you choose 'skype' instead of 'network' | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | ptl: can i delete one by one from the call log or do i need to delete all phone log details at once? | 00:16 |
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| ptl | DrGrov: I dunno, never tried to delete anything from the call log, maybe you can script that if you know maemo well enough | 00:17 |
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| DrGrov | ptl: ok, i think i can delete the call log as i can delete the SMS messages from Conversations. | 00:23 |
| DrGrov | should be basically the same thing to get them deleted without too much problems i presume | 00:23 |
| DrGrov | but i got the advanced call "something" to help a bit out on that part with the call log if there is the need for more control | 00:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh. I still miss ddate | 01:11 |
| Shapeshifter | its not in coreutils-gnu | 01:11 |
| Shapeshifter | although its so important to humanity | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | hm.. I wonder if it'd be safe to try dump bme's stack to a file with gdb... | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | safe? | 01:13 |
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| ShadowJK | reboot-safe | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | there are realtime signals going on an a realtime message queue.. | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | maybe I need to script gdb instead of interactive to be safe | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | this is n900? | 01:15 |
| * SpeedEvil forgets who has what. | 01:15 | |
| ShadowJK | ya | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | it's communicating with something over SMBUS | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | /i2c | 01:17 |
| ShadowJK | I can see that with strace, it's doing ioctl on /dev/i2c-2 | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | but the ioctl takes as argument pointer to a struct containing the actual commands and a pointer to data.. I want to dump the memory of bme at that memory address | 01:18 |
| ptl | 'seems confusing | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Or teach strace about hte ioctl | 01:19 |
| ShadowJK | oh you can do that? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I presume so. | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't magically know about some ioctls. | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Someone must have told it, or it have some means of parsing. | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno how easy it is | 01:20 |
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| tripzero | n900 not mounting in ubuntu 10.04. anyone else see this as well? | 02:31 |
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| auenf | "rescuing software update please dont turn off" | 02:34 |
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| Arif_ | rescuing?:P | 02:36 |
| auenf | os2008 | 02:36 |
| auenf | went flat, plugged it into charger and that came up ;) | 02:36 |
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| auenf | err, "rescuing software update please do not interrupt" | 02:37 |
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| Arif_ | maybe its a sign to get an N900 | 02:40 |
| Arif_ | I found some annoyance in the N900 Phone settings..... | 02:43 |
| Arif_ | the forwarding option resets to 20 seconds automagically | 02:43 |
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| auenf | Arif_, n900 not on sale here till next month | 02:58 |
| auenf | rrp AUD$899 | 02:58 |
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| pupnik | catorise has an update hurricane :) | 03:21 |
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| wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/nokia-c6-tomsguide.jpg - shop :) | 03:29 |
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| MiXu- | At least the HW on C6 looks decent. | 08:48 |
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| MiXu- | And taking in account that it'll probably be a pretty cheap phone, I'd say it has the possibility of becoming the next 5800. | 09:04 |
| MiXu- | (best sold nokian smartphone) | 09:04 |
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| pupnik | panucci playing back mp3s with 40-50 pct cpu use makes pupnik sad, and battery dead | 12:02 |
| FIQ | heh | 12:02 |
| pupnik | i need to make gpodder launch my low-cpu mp3 player | 12:04 |
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| FIQ | hm | 12:12 |
| FIQ | can i start microb from xterm somehow? | 12:12 |
| FIQ | it happily crashes much, and i think xterm could give a hint | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: how low cpu? | 12:13 |
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| pupnik_ | 6 at 250 | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | on 64k mono lectures | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | 12 total | 12:19 |
| pupnik_ | getting high volume is the tricky part | 12:20 |
| pupnik_ | need to open device with PA at desired volume | 12:21 |
| pupnik_ | thenm suspend PA and hit the alsa device directly | 12:21 |
| pupnik_ | browserd also sits there chewing 13 pct of cpu while backgrounded | 12:26 |
| SpeedEvil | this is what? | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | you can kill browserd | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | if you edit the dsme launcher | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | well - you can kill it without - but ... | 12:30 |
| pupnik_ | plane jane mplayer SpeedEvil | 12:31 |
| pupnik_ | havent even compiled some of the efficient arm optimized players | 12:32 |
| pupnik_ | /home/opt/maemo/usr/share/gpodder/ui/maemo ... by the horned one's hoof i can not understand that at ALL | 12:33 |
| pupnik_ | where is the launch string for audio player????!!! | 12:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 12:36 |
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| FIQ | is tuxrace optified? | 13:00 |
| FIQ | i don't want it to eat 70MB of my root partition, and it's 30MB free atm | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAM is a really poor source of information. No changelog, no full list of FQN files installed with size... | 13:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: HAM is the application manager, right? | 13:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | it's also very slow | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess that's the underlaying apt-get update | 13:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | not only that. when you go to "uninstall" it also takes ages. | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course the loading of hundereds of icons | 13:18 |
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| pupnik_ | do a top while it updates | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | or after installing one app, it freezes like 5 seconds before reloading the list and stuff | 13:19 |
| pupnik_ | i forgot the nam e of the rescanning process | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's writeback of the new apt database | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or reread of that one | 13:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there any way tot get the headswt button skipping tracks? | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | on the stock player | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | not afaik | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you need micbias on headset to detect hold button | 13:23 |
| pupnik_ | i havent seen any projects to speed up apt. | 13:23 |
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| pupnik_ | hashes, trees? ... something must be possible... | 13:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: probably they did all they could reasonably think of in apt to speed it up, already | 13:25 |
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| pupnik_ | i did a little snnuffling, and it is too complicated for me | 13:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm - yeah | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | [75910.001190] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | [75911.074707] input: headset button as /class/input/input5 | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | but doesn't do much | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: start recorder | 13:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hs-buuton pressed means GND level at some GPIO. This can also be caused by missing micbias. We seen bogus headset button evens on FR for every state chane of alsastates that en/dis-abled micbias | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably they wrere reluctant to spend the extra 2mA for micbias, just to detect the holdbutton | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway please keep me updated on your results, so I can scratchit form my todo list ;-) | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | fair enough | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | which results? | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you're going to meddle with it | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - will do | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | probably am | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | like "enable micbias in amixer", "start recorder and see which events clas/input/5 shows on buttonpress", etc | 13:37 |
| summel | can i install maemo on every arm device? | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 13:38 |
| summel | ;_; | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | long story is more complicated and somewhat different. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | wait for meego | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm not the one to tell | 13:39 |
| summel | hmmm yeah | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps is | 13:39 |
| summel | and meego will definitely run on the n900? ^^ | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | summel: it's an announced reference device for it, so yes | 13:40 |
| summel | yay | 13:40 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders if he should finally step up and buy a soldering kit | 13:50 | |
| lcuk | step up? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | or move up | 13:50 |
| lcuk | i thought that was a prerequisite before getting involved in linux | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | no, i've almost exclusively done sw | 13:51 |
| lcuk | like samurais have swords, we have soldering irons | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | virtualised linux development :p | 13:51 |
| lcuk | so, yes get yourself one | 13:51 |
| lcuk | and a solder sucker too | 13:51 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh, I'm trying to set the IM presence through dbus using an example from jebba's page, but it doesn't seem to work: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/MissionControl org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl.SetPresence uint32:2 string:"I'm here" ------> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl ... | 13:51 |
| Shapeshifter | ... was not provided by any .service files | 13:52 |
| lcuk | who? | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | Shapeshifter, that killed my client :S | 13:52 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: what killed what client? ^^ | 13:52 |
| lcuk | ur uberpaste | 13:52 |
| lcuk | i had blank lines | 13:53 |
| Shapeshifter | blank lines? I don't have any. | 13:53 |
| Shapeshifter | it's not a huge paste even. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: wtf are you going to slder? o.O :-) | 13:53 |
| * Shapeshifter is using irssi. | 13:53 | |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: putting my freerunner usb plug back in place | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | right now it's well, free floating :P | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'd recommend you find a cellphone repair&rework shop | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | or befriend an electronics engineer | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: they're more experienced in SMT soldering ;-) | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, probably even I did | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rather than burn tip of my nose | 13:56 |
| joppu | wazd: How do you create themes for N8x0? Thru TM or with the Autobuilder medhod? Where can I find the OS2008 template? I don't own a N8x0, but my friend does, so I was thinking about porting a few of my themes. | 13:56 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm pondering if there's other ways of reviving it, but the usb plug not working is a bit of a killer :P | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | was going to put it in our car as it has decent gps, but *shrug* | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: well USB receptacle resoldering is one of the more easy exercises | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: compared to e.g. resoldering QFP :-P | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :P | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps wonders if there's any hackable gps's | 13:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | still mere impossible if you're not incredibly gifted or have long years of experience | 14:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | efine hackable. | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm like soldering for 40 years now, and I'd happily leave the job to somebody else. So decide on yourself | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | probably will end up throwing out my FR eventually, depending on cost :P | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | bring it to a repair shop, wave with a 10bucks bill | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | ebay! | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | think i'll probably end up donating it to someone since i got it for free | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'd recommend you remove main PCB from case and bring the bare PCBA to shop - screen protected by a paper scotchtaped over it | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | After finding a shop that does actual component level repairs. | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably can wait for the fix | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | They are not so common in many countries | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, in poland it shouldn't be impossible | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | here in Germany a lot of those little shops mostly run by Turkish offer LED replacement by some nicer color new smd LEDs | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | they for sure can do a USB jack soldering as well | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's impossible to get a good turkish/pakistani pizza here, so i doubt the LED guys are here too :/ | 14:07 |
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| wazd | joppu: just download older TM | 14:07 |
| wazd | joppu: before 1.2.7 | 14:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer doubts there's any place in the world to get / any such thing like 'good turkish pizza' | 14:08 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's like regular pizza with more dates. | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: they do them pretty well in .dk compared to polish ones. | 14:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://smcv.pseudorandom.co.uk/2009/05/dbusgproxy-300.png ^^ | 14:11 |
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| * Shapeshifter gets the feeling that telepathy in maemo5 is somewhat crippled | 14:13 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wouldn't be surprised to finf this a correct asumption | 14:16 | |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: ping | 14:22 |
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| DrGrov | Hi | 14:26 |
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| Funnyface | hmm joikuspot drains loads of power.. | 14:55 |
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| Funnyface | I think it is the software itself, not the radio and wifi adapter | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's no PSM so that probably doesn't help either? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566743 - Maemo, 5 proud years of making you able to shoot yourself in the foot | 14:57 |
| Flyser | Funnyface: I think the most power is drained to send beacon frames. the wifi can't go into power saving state | 14:57 |
| pupnik_ | if you advocate removing that power Stskeeps, go to iphone | 14:58 |
| Funnyface | ok. I also notice that it's heating up very quickly :p | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik_: no, it was just funny | 14:58 |
| pupnik_ | ah :) | 14:59 |
| range | Funnyface: That's the bacon frames, they need heat to get crusty. | 15:00 |
| Funnyface | yummy | 15:00 |
| range | :) | 15:01 |
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| V13 | reps are down or is it only my akamai? | 15:11 |
| V13 | ping | 15:14 |
| pupnik_ | . | 15:16 |
| V13 | I did something good :-) ... but I need support... a.k.a. review... | 15:16 |
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| V13 | I manages to save and restore the desktop | 15:17 |
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| V13 | meaning that it is possible to have multiple "desktops", with different apps, bookmarks and widgets | 15:17 |
| pupnik_ | nicer | 15:17 |
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| V13 | But I'm afraid to test it in N900.. seems to work in SDK but repos are down and I cannot add complex widgets to test it. | 15:17 |
| V13 | Only the RSS reader is isntalled | 15:18 |
| pupnik_ | ok testing | 15:18 |
| V13 | testing? | 15:18 |
| pupnik_ | repo | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | waiting | 15:20 |
| V13 | I'm not getting you | 15:20 |
| V13 | You mean I should send it to -devel ? | 15:20 |
| V13 | extras-devel | 15:20 |
| V13 | It is a simple shell script. | 15:20 |
| V13 | (for now) | 15:20 |
| nidO | he means hes testing the repos for you :) | 15:20 |
| pupnik_ | waiting | 15:20 |
| V13 | oh :) | 15:20 |
| V13 | yes... waiting and then "timeout" | 15:21 |
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| Mece | hello | 15:24 |
| pupnik_ | aborted. something is not responding here | 15:25 |
| * V13 hypes | 15:25 | |
| V13 | could it be PR1.2 preparation? :-) | 15:25 |
| * satmd steals the hype and noms it :p | 15:25 | |
| V13 | noms == ? | 15:26 |
| satmd | delicious | 15:26 |
| satmd | eat | 15:26 |
| V13 | oh :) | 15:26 |
| haltdef | oh rss reader, there's a thought .. is there one with both a desktop and n900 app that can sync content between both? | 15:26 |
| V13 | you mean an rss reader ? | 15:26 |
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| haltdef | be handy if I could mark something read on the desktop and not have to do the same on the n900 | 15:28 |
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| V13 | i suggest google's rss :-) | 15:31 |
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| haltdef | web based? | 15:31 |
| V13 | yes | 15:31 |
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| haltdef | meh, that'd be fine on the n900 but an actual app for my desktop would be nice .. lets me know when there's new stuff etc | 15:32 |
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| DrGrov | Good day guys and gals | 15:36 |
| DrGrov | Who was the person I was talking about a server last night? I have a demented old brain... lol | 15:37 |
| DrGrov | V13: i have tested this to have multiple "desktops" with different apps, bookmarks and widgets and it sure does work on the N900 flawlessly | 15:38 |
| DrGrov | PR 1.2 preparation? | 15:39 |
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| V13 | DrGhow: how did you test it ? | 15:39 |
| V13 | drgrow: regarding the server, the problem is that you're using a client without history :-) | 15:40 |
| DrGrov | haltdef: if you need a good rss reader which is an actual app I can look for the name of one I keep using on my linux computer | 15:40 |
| DrGrov | V13: test to keep several apps, bookmarks and widgets running at different multiple desktops you mean? | 15:40 |
| haltdef | google reader looks quite nice actually | 15:40 |
| DrGrov | V13: i remember it was summel.de | 15:41 |
| DrGrov | haltdef: i wouldn't touch anything close to google on a linux computer or anything else | 15:41 |
| V13 | drgrow: (a) yes and (b) perhaps it was the user "summel" then :-) | 15:41 |
| DrGrov | i have a homophobic trauma stress of google :D | 15:41 |
| haltdef | you have issues :P | 15:41 |
| DrGrov | summel: hi there, how are you doing today? :) i thought to ask you a few things about the server. | 15:42 |
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| DrGrov | V13: thanks, it is summel :). so yes, i tested it by keeping for ex. Pidgin, Web browser, irssi on one desktop. The second desktop has Phone, Conversations, Advanced Call Log, my fiancee as a favorite and Contacts. The third desktop actually has File Manager, Program Control Panel, X Terminal and 2 other shortcuts. I tested also to keep the Foreca Weather widget on one of them and a few bookmarks as well. So it seems I can keep 3 nice fully f | 15:45 |
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| V13 | nonono | 15:45 |
| V13 | i didn't mean that. | 15:45 |
| DrGrov | haltdef: ah, yes I have issues thank you sir :P one sec and i will check the name of the rss reader. | 15:45 |
| V13 | i meant, change all 4 desktops | 15:45 |
| DrGrov | V13: then WTF did you mean? :D | 15:45 |
| DrGrov | V13: change in what way exactly? | 15:46 |
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| V13 | imaging a different set of widgets | 15:46 |
| V13 | well.. that's what i'm working on | 15:46 |
| V13 | save and restore all applets bookmarks and shortcuts. | 15:46 |
| DrGrov | V13: ok. so different set of widgets. we are talking about more complex+ | 15:46 |
| haltdef | oh my current reader can sync with google reader | 15:46 |
| haltdef | perfect | 15:46 |
| V13 | yes.. so that it is possible to have something like "activities" for kde | 15:46 |
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| V13 | a "work" activity, a "empty" activity, etc... | 15:47 |
| DrGrov | V13: you mean sort of running *two* different type of "desktops" without needing to switch? Like having KDE running and then afterwards Fluxbox?' | 15:47 |
| V13 | no | 15:47 |
| V13 | first of all i'm talking about n900 not the pc | 15:47 |
| DrGrov | V13: yeah I know. that was just an example. | 15:47 |
| V13 | second,.. you have 4 desktops there. right ? | 15:47 |
| DrGrov | V13: yeah i have 4 desktops, i just use 3 though. | 15:47 |
| V13 | with widgets, shortcuts and bookmarks on them | 15:47 |
| DrGrov | yes | 15:47 |
| V13 | imagine then running "switch work" | 15:48 |
| DrGrov | ok | 15:48 |
| V13 | and all of them disappear... and put other widgets and shortcuts there. | 15:48 |
| V13 | then run "switch home" | 15:48 |
| V13 | and return to the old one | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | What's a good resolution to scale my movies to if I want to watch them on the maemo? | 15:48 |
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| V13 | then "switch work" and switch to the new one.. | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | 211x127? | 15:48 |
| V13 | wizzup: 800x480 is the resolution of n900 | 15:48 |
| DrGrov | ah yes, sort of a multitasking feature but with desktops involved, correct? | 15:48 |
| Wizzup | V13: ok, thx | 15:49 |
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| DrGrov | Wizzup: what type of movies are you talking about+ | 15:49 |
| V13 | not exactly multitaksing. it's save and restore... other widgets will not keep running | 15:49 |
| Wizzup | eh,monty python, that sort of stuff | 15:49 |
| DrGrov | Wizzup: DVD rips around 700 - 1,4 GB? | 15:49 |
| Wizzup | well anything really - normal dvd rips don't play too well | 15:49 |
| DrGrov | V13: ok, on a computer like it restarts the Linux X system? | 15:49 |
| V13 | no restart needed. | 15:49 |
| V13 | everything disappears and other things appear. | 15:49 |
| DrGrov | V13: yeah, no restart needed but sort of doing on a linux based pc ctrl+alt+backspace | 15:50 |
| V13 | i'm talking about desktop not the apps that are running | 15:50 |
| V13 | no.. the running apps will not be affected. | 15:50 |
| valdyn | exchange settings files, kill hildon-desktop | 15:50 |
| V13 | do you know kde's activities ? | 15:50 |
| valdyn | that should kind of work | 15:50 |
| DrGrov | yeah i know what you mean. i am just trying to imagine it out the perspective of a pc and then the n900 | 15:50 |
| V13 | valdyn: it's not that simple... and it doesn't need restart of hildon-desktop | 15:50 |
| DrGrov | WTF is the hildon-desktop? :D it is a new desktop for the N900 i can get from the repos? | 15:50 |
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| valdyn | V13: oh it exists already? | 15:51 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: thats the program that creates the desktop with the widgets and shortcuts on it afaik | 15:51 |
| DrGrov | Wizzup: it sure plays thoug a normal dvdrip. you are familiar with Linux and working from a terminal? | 15:51 |
| V13 | valdyn? which thing ? the script i'm writting ? | 15:51 |
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| valdyn | V13: i see | 15:51 |
| DrGrov | valdyn: ok, just thought it would be something from the repos that switches the looks & feel to the default desktops. | 15:51 |
| DrGrov | valdyn: what is that desktop thingie in the repos that "sort of" affect the default desktop? | 15:52 |
| Wizzup | DrGrov: Aye, I am | 15:52 |
| Wizzup | just not too familiar with movie encoding and such | 15:53 |
| valdyn | Wizzup: did you read the wiki stuff about it? | 15:53 |
| DrGrov | Wizzup: ok, i am thinking now whether mplayer from a command-line is a better choice than the default movie player shipped with the n900 | 15:54 |
| * Wizzup did not search for one... :-( | 15:54 | |
| Wizzup | I have mplayer installed at the phone | 15:54 |
| Wizzup | works ok with -framedrop with some movies | 15:54 |
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| DrGrov | Wizzup: ok, what size of movies are you talking about and what resolution approximately? how many pixels? | 15:54 |
| Wizzup | valdyn: Ah, looks good | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | Mplayer plays more formats, but the built-in player has access to the dsp codecs which will make it faster for xvid/mpeg4 and h264 baseline | 15:55 |
| juhovh | :q | 15:55 |
| juhovh | whops | 15:55 |
| Wizzup | DrGrov: Ehm, I did not have specific ones in mind. Was wondering really | 15:55 |
| Wizzup | ShadowJK: I see, so rather h264 than theora | 15:55 |
| valdyn | Wizzup: using the proper codecs it should play anything <= native resolution perfectly | 15:55 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: true, i had a bit of issues with the n900 promotional video when playing it through mplayer with the kmplayer frontend | 15:55 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 15:56 |
| DrGrov | i am testing a episode of House now soon. it was around 620 something times 352 pixels | 15:56 |
| Wizzup | valdyn: Alright, thanks a lot guys | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | If you're encoding for n900, h264 baseline at up to 800x480 is fine for nuilt-in player | 15:56 |
| DrGrov | Wizzup: you are welcome. | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | built-in* | 15:56 |
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| DrGrov | Wizzup: if you are back here some time later i can give a bit of feedback how it works. i am thinking about testing the same thing . | 15:57 |
| Wizzup | but it isn't more hardware accelerated than theora I presume? | 15:57 |
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| Wizzup | ok | 15:57 |
| ShadowJK | h264 main and h264 high profile don't play with built-in player, and with MPlayer the limit is somewhere below 640x480... maybe at 512x384, not sure | 15:57 |
| valdyn | Wizzup: i dont think theora is accelerated at all | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | theora is software only | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | but is h264? | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | I see.. | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | ok,h264 it is then | 15:58 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: I've tested mplayer and it works when using -vo x11 even for higher resolutions... it seems to be a problem of the xv | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | Let's hope google throws away the patents ;-) | 15:58 |
| valdyn | Wizzup: baseline is, h264 has different "levels", only baseline is accelerated | 15:58 |
| Wizzup | ok | 15:58 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: It seems that xv has rescaling problem. | 15:58 |
| DrGrov | the WiFi is a battery drainer like nothing I've seen | 15:59 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: It also works with software rescaling but it is toooooo slooooooooooow | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | v13: you mean higher res than 800x480? | 15:59 |
| V13 | yes | 15:59 |
| DrGrov | downloaded approximately 350 MB today with the maximum 10 Mbit speed the N900 can handle and damn it was darining my battery | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | right | 15:59 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: 3g would be worse | 15:59 |
| DrGrov | valdyn: yeah, i can imagine that LOL | 15:59 |
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| DrGrov | valdyn: it was a mere test to see whether it is possible. it was but not with around 30-40% battery left. | 16:00 |
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| DrGrov | valdyn: the maximum I will keep getting with 3G or WiFi is around maybe 5-50 MB and occasionally 200 MB maximums. | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 does more than 10MBit on wlan :) | 16:01 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: it does? it should do that for me as well. i didn't check with any data thingie but I have a downstream of around 20000 kB /s. So it jumps between 2-2,2 MB / sec | 16:01 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: that is 54mbit | 16:02 |
| DrGrov | valdyn: oh it is ? then no problems :) | 16:02 |
| DrGrov | is it the 3G that is limited to 10 Mbit? | 16:02 |
| valdyn | DrGrov: theres just a huge overhead at that bitrate so you dont get near actual 54mbit | 16:02 |
| ShadowJK | The hsdpa modem supports up to 10MBit/s | 16:02 |
| ShadowJK | yeah 54Mbit wlan is something like 27Mbit/s of actual payload data :) | 16:03 |
| DrGrov | valdyn: yeah, true. it is my router that has that approximately 2 MB / sec downstream. so i get that 2-2,2 MB on a pc as well | 16:03 |
| DrGrov | but I can't complain lol. if i get 2-2,2 MB / sec on the N900 on my home WiFi it is ok | 16:04 |
| V13 | perhaps' you're having noise from other APs.... | 16:04 |
| V13 | try wifieye :-) | 16:04 |
| DrGrov | V13: i used the wifieye actually | 16:05 |
| DrGrov | it told my connection strength was around 60% last night but today i didn't check. the first test I did it was at 80% two nights ago. | 16:05 |
| V13 | well.. that percentage is somehow bullshit... | 16:06 |
| DrGrov | yeah it is . | 16:06 |
| V13 | it's as good as the chip says... | 16:06 |
| V13 | 80& with 70% may have big difference or not at all | 16:06 |
| DrGrov | i just opened my router on the webbrowser and it is that 2 MB / sec downstream | 16:06 |
| V13 | it all depends on the hardware... | 16:06 |
| V13 | well.. then 60% is good measurement | 16:06 |
| DrGrov | yeah, it is bullshit | 16:07 |
| DrGrov | i got same speeds all the time even with 60% so 60% is the measuring stick then it seems. | 16:07 |
| DrGrov | below 60% makes it lag like shit | 16:07 |
| V13 | well.. i'm working with 40% at some points and it works well.. | 16:07 |
| DrGrov | ok | 16:07 |
| V13 | i've also found that keeping the device reduces the signal strength (!) | 16:07 |
| V13 | not always, but some times.. | 16:08 |
| DrGrov | it dropped two nights ago when i used wifieye to 40-45% and then back to 60% and even 80-85% | 16:08 |
| DrGrov | keeping the device in the hand you mean? | 16:08 |
| V13 | it should not have that variations, unless there is noise. | 16:08 |
| V13 | yes. | 16:08 |
| DrGrov | i just don't trust the percentage that wifieye tells me | 16:08 |
| V13 | keep it with your hand the way to have the hand between the device and the AP. | 16:08 |
| DrGrov | i trust what my router settings in real time tell me through the webbrowser | 16:08 |
| DrGrov | yeah, i keep like that . | 16:09 |
| V13 | drgrov it's the percentage that kernel reports. it can't be any more accurate than this | 16:09 |
| DrGrov | V13: you sure? | 16:09 |
| V13 | yes | 16:09 |
| DrGrov | ok, i trust you :) | 16:09 |
| V13 | but it is still as good as the kernel is.. | 16:09 |
| DrGrov | be back later, gotta watch Juventus - Siena from Serie A football ;) | 16:09 |
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| DrGrov | ttyl V13 :) | 16:09 |
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| V13 | and i've heard that wifi drivers report quality in a kind of mysterious, stochastic way. | 16:10 |
| V13 | that's not the same among all drivers. | 16:10 |
| V13 | i'd a case where an asus tablet reported 40% signal max... but it worked like 100% | 16:10 |
| V13 | while at the same time n800 reported 4/5 | 16:11 |
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| thopiekar | hi. I want to install the maemo5 sdk but got problems with the internet connection, so after the installer unpacked the rootstrap I manually executed apt-get update.. and it worked.. after that I wanted to install the metapackage but get this: http://pastebin.com/KmJn3jtR | 16:50 |
| thopiekar | any solutions? | 16:50 |
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| thopiekar | installing the maemo4 sdk does not work, too.. | 16:58 |
| thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/dfHfscxm | 16:58 |
| V13 | thopiekar: prepend "fakeroot" | 16:58 |
| V13 | "fakeroot apt-get install ..." | 16:59 |
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| thopiekar | V13: for which problem? | 16:59 |
| thopiekar | with maemo5 sdk? | 17:00 |
| V13 | the http://pastebin.com/KmJn3jtR | 17:00 |
| thopiekar | k | 17:00 |
| V13 | for networking i'm too using a hack... | 17:00 |
| thopiekar | but why do I have to use fakeroot? | 17:00 |
| V13 | echo "nameserver your.name.server.ip" > /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as root from the SDK (not in scratchbox) | 17:01 |
| V13 | because security checks fail. | 17:01 |
| thopiekar | the fakeroot tip works, thanks V13 | 17:01 |
| V13 | because you're not root | 17:01 |
| V13 | yw | 17:01 |
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| thopiekar | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 17:01 |
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| V13 | dunno about that... | 17:02 |
| V13 | should work within the scratchbox (/scratchbox/login) | 17:02 |
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| thopiekar | thing is that I have installed the metapackage, that is also installed via install script but the executable is not available.. | 17:03 |
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| V13 | is osso-af-sb-startup installed? | 17:04 |
| thopiekar | moment | 17:05 |
| thopiekar | osso-af-sb-startup: Depends: hildon-initscripts but it is not going to be installed | 17:05 |
| thopiekar | the reason is that: theme-config has no installation candidate | 17:06 |
| thopiekar | do I have missing apt repositories? | 17:06 |
| V13 | i suggest you give sdk another try | 17:06 |
| V13 | dunno | 17:06 |
| V13 | repositories are down for me... perhaps it's for you too | 17:06 |
| thopiekar | the install script? | 17:06 |
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| thopiekar | V13: yes that could be the reason why it doesn'T work.. | 17:07 |
| thopiekar | what about the maemo4 sdk installation? | 17:07 |
| V13 | don't know | 17:07 |
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| thopiekar | thanks anyway. | 17:08 |
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| * thopiekar hopes that it will be fixed soon because he want to prepare some new plugins for canola.. | 17:08 | |
| arachnist | mm | 17:09 |
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| thopiekar | but you can also download the plugins from here: http://launchpad.net/~canola/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=lucid | 17:10 |
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| thopiekar | and as you can see Canola2 is available for Ubuntu Lucid, which is atm alpha, but working well for me.. | 17:11 |
| thopiekar | just execute and test it on your Ubuntu (Karmic or Lucid ) by: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canola/ppa | 17:12 |
| thopiekar | :) | 17:12 |
| thopiekar | j #ubuntu-tweak | 17:12 |
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| thopiekar | sry forgot the / :P | 17:13 |
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| mortal_ | is it possible to get the gps location data from a nokia e90 to the n800? | 17:16 |
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| thresh | hmmm, terminus font for maemo, anyone? | 17:27 |
| GAN900 | Damn daylight savings. | 17:27 |
| thresh | mmh, and where do i get xrdb? | 17:29 |
| thresh | or how do i change fonts / colours / tweak Xterm | 17:29 |
| arachnist | <eliza> Znalazłam męża przez internet... | 17:30 |
| arachnist | ups | 17:30 |
| arachnist | not here | 17:30 |
| thresh | well alrite, i can change colors and fonts from xterm itself but still | 17:30 |
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| zerojay | Anyone else having the problem with AIM being completely unconnectable? | 17:31 |
| zerojay | Even when enabled, doesn't show up on the list of enabled protocols? | 17:32 |
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| thopiekar | mortal_: http://www.nokiausers.net/Reviews/ExtGPS-Internal-GPS-Sharing-for-S60v3.html | 17:38 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 17:39 |
| thopiekar | hey | 17:39 |
| embedded | Who knows how to debug remotely (on the target) a console application for N900 with Eclipse? | 17:40 |
| Shapeshifter | eww eclipse | 17:41 |
| embedded | no help | 17:42 |
| cehteh | ewwclipse | 17:42 |
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| cehteh | it either has some plugin for that or you are doomed :P | 17:43 |
| aquatix | anyone knows how fast brando.com ships a screen protector to europe? | 17:43 |
| embedded | cehteh: do you know some of those? | 17:44 |
| cehteh | nope i dont use it | 17:44 |
| embedded | aquatix: about 7-10 days | 17:44 |
| aquatix | embedded: k, thanks | 17:45 |
| thresh | i wonder why ~user/.fonts is root-owned | 17:45 |
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| embedded | aquatix: u are welcome! | 17:45 |
| cehteh | thresh: there are some things just buggy set up | 17:46 |
| thresh | mmkay | 17:46 |
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| thresh | it isnt nokia if it isnt screwed up somewhere | 17:47 |
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| javispedro | /home/user/.fon*: No such file or directory ? | 17:48 |
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| thresh | ok, maybe it was me who screwed it up somehow | 17:49 |
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| cehteh | yeah not all bugs are by nokia .. maybe some 3rd party package created that? :) | 17:49 |
| V13 | anyone here with SDK ? | 17:49 |
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| cehteh | you mean having it isntalled? | 17:50 |
| V13 | yes | 17:50 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:50 |
| V13 | can you please check if it is possible to add contact shortcuts to the desktop of the sdk ? | 17:50 |
| V13 | either it doesn't work or I screwed something. | 17:50 |
| cehteh | i dont have it running, just installed :P | 17:50 |
| cehteh | well and some things doesnt work | 17:50 |
| V13 | and not going to start it eh? :) | 17:50 |
| cehteh | its meant to cross compile, not to start apps there | 17:51 |
| thresh | i wonder if simple copying of ter-*.pcf.gz to ~/.fonts and fc-cache will suffice | 17:51 |
| cehteh | nope i am sitting at a conference and being lazy now :P | 17:51 |
| cehteh | its highly likely that some things dont work on the sdk | 17:51 |
| cehteh | especially the armel target doesnt do much | 17:52 |
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| thresh | humm fc-cache added fonts actually | 17:53 |
| thresh | but restarting terminal didnt help | 17:53 |
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| embedded | V13: are u there? | 17:58 |
| V13 | yes | 17:58 |
| embedded | V13: I have just checked that | 17:58 |
| V13 | and ? | 17:58 |
| embedded | V13: the first time I selected the top menu, the button "Add Contact" was present | 17:59 |
| V13 | did you use it ? | 18:00 |
| embedded | V13: but I hadn't any contact, so after created just one of it and pressed again on the top menu, that button disappeared | 18:00 |
| V13 | are you sure ? | 18:01 |
| embedded | sure | 18:01 |
| V13 | it seems to disapear when there are not any other contacts to add | 18:01 |
| V13 | for me it acts like adding the contact but doesn't show anything | 18:01 |
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| embedded | V13:indeed....you are right...because I selected it by the contact list (only one) and after I did that the button disappeared, but no contact shortcut is displayed onto the desktop | 18:02 |
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| Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.6-2/ <--- need your vote to be available in extras | 18:02 |
| Khertan | Hi all ! | 18:02 |
| wazd | Khertan: heya pal :) | 18:03 |
| Khertan | pal ? | 18:03 |
| mortal_ | thopiekar: thanks | 18:03 |
| Khertan | hi wazd | 18:03 |
| V13 | embedded: thanks... it seems to be a problem of the sdk | 18:03 |
| wazd | Khertan: comrade :D | 18:03 |
| embedded | V13: yeah, It should be a SDK bug | 18:03 |
| embedded | V13: have you ever done a cross platform debug? | 18:04 |
| embedded | V13: for example..used Eclipse to debug a N900 app on the target? | 18:04 |
| Khertan | Not bad at all this small app gTranslate | 18:05 |
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| Khertan | Does the garnet emulator is working on n900 ? | 18:05 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:06 |
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| Khertan | oh good ... i ll be able to verify kMeteo is still working | 18:06 |
| Khertan | thx | 18:06 |
| Khertan | jacispedro : didn t see maemo 5 in the list | 18:08 |
| V13 | embedded: no.. i'm just using the sdk... | 18:08 |
| Khertan | should i got the os 2008 edition ? | 18:08 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: it's not exactly "official"... grab the package from os2008, optify it (use SDK, maemo-optify-deb), and install in n900 | 18:08 |
| V13 | embedded: even though i'm not writting in c/c++ for maemo, I'd prefer vi + gdb :) | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | javispedro:ok thx | 18:09 |
| thresh | duh, now n900 goes all the way in a boot process, nokia logo shows up, hands etc. and then it reboots. | 18:10 |
| thresh | suppose i should re-flash it? | 18:10 |
| V13 | reflash is the easiest way to fix this. | 18:10 |
| V13 | most probably | 18:10 |
| thresh | any other? :) | 18:10 |
| thresh | i believe i did something nasty in /home/user/.profile | 18:10 |
| V13 | perhaps r&d mode, but you will need to find out the problem yourself. | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | zerojay, not that, although automatic connection migration results in network errors. | 18:11 |
| thresh | so it's basically connecting the device and hitting --enable-rd-mode on flasher? | 18:11 |
| thresh | mmmh i don't think i have usb cable at home :( | 18:12 |
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| Khertan | Maemo is beginning to look like iPhone OS ... creating application that didn t already exist is more and more difficult :) | 18:14 |
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| thresh | is there 'I'm Rich' app on maemo? | 18:15 |
| LuciusMare | Hi, the adflashblock.css also blocks flash from loading at all? I mean, does it save the bandwith and cpu usage? | 18:15 |
| Khertan | nope but there is i am free | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon, all | 18:16 |
| V13 | it freaking worked! | 18:17 |
| javispedro | hi Jaffa | 18:17 |
| * V13 rocked | 18:17 | |
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| V13 | ladies and gentlement... I present you an app to save and restore desktops and to allow for multiple desktop-views a'la KDE's activities. | 18:18 |
| V13 | in fact, it's a simple script :) | 18:18 |
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| V13 | anyone wanna test? I've tested on N900 and it works as promised. | 18:19 |
| embedded | Hi Jaffa | 18:20 |
| summel | V13: in what way is it different from how it currently works? | 18:20 |
| V13 | no relation | 18:21 |
| V13 | it doesn't do that atm | 18:21 |
| V13 | how can you save the desktop ? | 18:21 |
| V13 | and change it ? | 18:21 |
| Shapeshifter | V13: what do you mean by desktop | 18:21 |
| V13 | all 4 views | 18:21 |
| Shapeshifter | ah so you mean it saves the positions of all widgets | 18:21 |
| Shapeshifter | and you can have several profiles so to speak | 18:21 |
| V13 | and everything else | 18:21 |
| V13 | exactly | 18:22 |
| V13 | infinite profiles i'd say.. | 18:22 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah not bad. | 18:22 |
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| * GAN900 doesn't know why they would advertise this car as a 2+2. | 18:22 | |
| Shapeshifter | Not for me as I have heaps of free room on my desktops, but why not | 18:22 |
| * V13 is out of space on desktop | 18:22 | |
| embedded | V13: now it needs only of a GUI :) | 18:23 |
| V13 | oh.. and looking how it is without widgets.. well.. it's fast | 18:23 |
| V13 | embedded: I won't create one .. not right now at least.. | 18:23 |
| V13 | anyone can create it.. it will just need to call the scritp | 18:23 |
| V13 | script | 18:23 |
| embedded | sure | 18:23 |
| V13 | "./change empty", "./change orig", "./change work", etc... | 18:23 |
| Dragnslcr | Where does the media player store its user-created playlists? | 18:25 |
| summel | V13: would it be possible to add a new user to the linux installation and have a profile for each user? :D | 18:25 |
| V13 | i don't think so | 18:25 |
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| V13 | i don't believe there is a way to select user | 18:26 |
| javispedro | Dragnslcr: (wild guess) $HOME/.mafw-playlists/ | 18:26 |
| V13 | and /home/user may be hardcoded to some apps | 18:26 |
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| V13 | (even though sdk does a good job in preventing this by using /home/maemo instead) | 18:26 |
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| kamui | V13, sounds cool | 18:27 |
| V13 | wanna test? | 18:27 |
| kamui | actually yes | 18:28 |
| kamui | even though I have 2 blank desktops :) | 18:28 |
| kamui | it would solve my other problem | 18:28 |
| V13 | one mom | 18:28 |
| kamui | of damn icons dissapearing from a random crash | 18:28 |
| V13 | moment | 18:28 |
| kamui | oakly doakly | 18:28 |
| V13 | ok.. get this: http://home.v13.gr:81/tmp/change | 18:29 |
| V13 | it's a shell script | 18:29 |
| thresh | ah screw it, no usb cable so i'm doomed | 18:29 |
| V13 | you'll need to have "bash" installed | 18:29 |
| kamui | got ya | 18:29 |
| V13 | make sure you have bash installed | 18:29 |
| V13 | next, create directory under the home directory. you'll run the script as user, not as root. | 18:30 |
| V13 | put change in there | 18:30 |
| Dragnslcr | javispedro- thanks, dunno how I missed that. Wish I could get to it through USB storage mode, but that's easy to work around | 18:30 |
| V13 | edit it and change the 3rd line to point to it... for example, if you put change in /home/user/test, set D0="/home/user/test" | 18:30 |
| V13 | after that, you can run "change new" | 18:31 |
| V13 | it will store the current desktop using the name "1" and create an empty one that will be named "new" | 18:31 |
| V13 | you can go back by running "./change 1" | 18:32 |
| V13 | and ./change new | 18:32 |
| V13 | you can have as many profiles as you want | 18:32 |
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| V13 | it doesn't save/restore backgrounds (not yet :-) | 18:32 |
| V13 | so background persist | 18:32 |
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| V13 | tell me if it works :) | 18:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone got gcc up and running and working in the debian chroot? I'm having problems getting it setup. Especially installing the standard C headers. | 18:34 |
| javispedro | it works here -- selfmade chroot | 18:35 |
| V13 | goody :) | 18:36 |
| javispedro | wasn't talking about your app V13, sorry ;P | 18:36 |
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| V13 | :( | 18:36 |
| V13 | :P | 18:37 |
| pupnik_ | i'd host the ar.gz SpeedEvil | 18:37 |
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| pupnik_ | tar.gz | 18:37 |
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| summel | V13: hmm but it would be neat if you could make the n900 ask for a login on startup and then have multiple users :D | 18:39 |
| V13 | i can't :) | 18:39 |
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| pupnik_ | Ipad vs 7-year old HP tablet: http://i.imgur.com/uzLKA.jpg | 18:41 |
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| Wolfie | tollbait | 18:43 |
| javispedro | doesn't talk about battery life | 18:43 |
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| pupnik_ | yep | 18:44 |
| pupnik_ | still 7 years | 18:44 |
| V13 | javispedro: or software... | 18:45 |
| V13 | javispedro: or weight, resolution, screen type, etc... | 18:45 |
| Wolfie | or the use cases? | 18:45 |
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| Trizt | or the price | 18:45 |
| * Stskeeps yawns | 18:46 | |
| javispedro | well, if it were to talk about software, I'm pretty sure the balance would tip even more towards the hp | 18:46 |
| * haltdef pets Stskeeps | 18:46 | |
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| * Stskeeps is happy after he wrote a small pygtk thing for remote control of his Boxee | 18:48 | |
| Stskeeps | for his n800 with bad screen | 18:48 |
| javispedro | why not a spooky photo frame? | 18:49 |
| javispedro | ;) | 18:49 |
| haltdef | so what exactly have you been up to? helping develop maemo itself or a custom thing for tablets that come with maemo? | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | me? :P | 18:50 |
| haltdef | yea | 18:50 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly how to explain what he does | 18:50 | |
| haltdef | never understood what it was you quit unreal for | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2009/10/my-first-day-as-maemoorg-distmaster.html is what i have done recently | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | Mer (100% open source maemo) and Deblet (debian on internet tablets) was the original reason | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | now i do the above thing | 18:51 |
| haltdef | ah | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | (whatever that means in the long term with the meego stuff) | 18:52 |
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| pupnik_ | what was "unreal"? | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | www.unrealircd.com and http://inspircd.org/?p=stats pretty much says it | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnrealIRCd :P | 18:54 |
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| pupnik_ | i was thinking "future crew :) | 18:55 |
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| Stskeeps | nah | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
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| * noobmonk3y wishes that QT designer worked well with python :D | 19:04 | |
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| * javispedro ponders council work | 19:16 | |
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| mortal_ | anyone got any info on the n800 audio hiss, could I for example construct a low pass filter to filter it out | 19:18 |
| mortal_ | and what kind of headphones are the least affected by it | 19:19 |
| * noobmonk3y just ponders | 19:19 | |
| VDVsx | javispedro, there's no biscuits nor coffee available, but texrat promised coffee in the next term :D | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: we need sane people there | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: and people to represent us as we need to be as organised and bigger in numbers than intel and nokia is with money :P | 19:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 19:21 |
| javispedro | ah, evil texrat :) | 19:21 |
| noobmonk3y | lol wannabe evil ;) | 19:21 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, last part is hard to accomplish, bastards have a lot of money :D | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | And shiny toys. | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | Easy to be distracted by the ooooh. shiny. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: agreed, but we should not be easy to ignore :) | 19:24 |
| VDVsx | the council needs people that are sane and easy to work with, that was one of the biggest gaps in the current term (no offense to anyone:D) | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 19:24 |
| noobmonk3y | your on it arnt ya? | 19:25 |
| VDVsx | yes | 19:25 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | The most insaniest person of 'em all. | 19:25 |
| javispedro | you're telling me someone in the current council is insane? :) | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | Well, 5th most insane ;-) | 19:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | not sure who i'm gonna vote for this term... kinda hoping more people step foreward | 19:25 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: He's telling us someone in the current council is *sane* ;-) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | noobmonk3y: i'm mostly satisfied with the candidates so far | 19:26 |
| Jaffa | In fact, there must be 4 sane people. | 19:26 |
| javispedro | always good to know! | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind some more activits | 19:26 |
| Jaffa | Cos only one's rerunning ;-) | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | activists | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | mostly is now wholey :D | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | as in, doers, not moaners :P | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | not* | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | omg i can't type | 19:26 |
| VDVsx | "easy to work with" is the more important part, we all are a bit insane, that can be forgiven :D | 19:26 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm true.... dont know any of them well enough... | 19:26 |
| * Jaffa wonders if we'd've started getting parties if Maemo had continued in its current guise for a few more years. | 19:27 | |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: Who'd be your dream candidate? Nominate them. | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | noobmonk3y: Push them to run. | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa, are you running yet? | 19:27 |
| * VDVsx creates the TMO party before someone else :D | 19:27 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm, still deciding Jaffa | 19:27 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Not... yet. | 19:27 |
| noobmonk3y | from a newbies point of view obvious Kathy, but she wont run :D | 19:27 |
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| * javispedro is a member of the MOC, the maemo.org conservative party. No offense to Qt guys. | 19:28 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol jav | 19:28 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 19:28 |
| HtheB | anyone has a mirror for me? :) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | there's an extras mirror in this channels' topic | 19:29 |
| summel | mirror of? | 19:29 |
| HtheB | is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com down? | 19:29 |
| summel | ah | 19:29 |
| HtheB | I cant enter that website | 19:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | tmo is verrrrrrry quiet this wkend | 19:29 |
| HtheB | for the files that I need to flash my N900 :) | 19:29 |
| summel | anybody got quasselclient running on n900? | 19:29 |
| noobmonk3y | whats quasselclient? | 19:29 |
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| summel | the best irc client in the world | 19:29 |
| summel | :D | 19:29 |
| HtheB | summel mirror of the Flasher 3.5 | 19:29 |
| summel | www.quassel-irc.org | 19:30 |
| HtheB | and the latest firmware (EUR) | 19:30 |
| * luke-jr isn't so sure about *best*... | 19:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | join the Evil Phome Hardware Hackers Party *now* ;-P | 19:30 |
| javispedro | Ecckkks | 19:30 |
| Shapeshifter | summel: I know this is a stupid answer, but why not irssi? ^^ | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | luke-jr, is Qt, so ? | 19:30 |
| VDVsx | lol | 19:30 |
| Shapeshifter | why not screen and irssi to be more accurate | 19:30 |
| summel | luke-jr: it's written with qt4 and has a core/client architecture :D | 19:30 |
| HtheB | :( :( :( | 19:31 |
| summel | Shapeshifter: because i want a gui! | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | VDVsx: I like Konversation enough to forego the core/client design | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: irssi = GTK = fail | 19:31 |
| VDVsx | ah thats also Qt, fair enough ;) | 19:31 |
| summel | irssi != gtk | 19:31 |
| summel | irsi = ncurses | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | glib = GTK Core | 19:31 |
| summel | +s | 19:31 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: irssi = GTK? | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | irssi = GTK + ncurses | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | ldd $(which irssi) # :) | 19:32 |
| summel | irssi has no real gui | 19:32 |
| summel | oO | 19:32 |
| flux | luke-jr, you mean libglib, not gtk? | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | summel: it doesn't use GTK for gui | 19:32 |
| luke-jr | flux: libglib = GTK Core | 19:32 |
| valdyn | glib is like libc6 | 19:32 |
| summel | ewww | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: two seperate packages | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:33 |
| Shapeshifter | libglib is like the best part of gtk | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | valdyn: libc is part of the C standard | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so are QtCore and QtGui | 19:33 |
| Shapeshifter | maybe even the only good one | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: crappy enough to slow Qt down | 19:33 |
| flux | luke-jr, and it's called glib, not gtk :) | 19:33 |
| valdyn | luke-jr: yes, but thats all the difference | 19:33 |
| massoud | Hi there, I am trying to install iptables on my n900 but maemo complains : "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?" | 19:33 |
| ShadowJK | massoud: echo 64 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | flux: it's part of the GTK mess | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: well then weechat | 19:34 |
| Shapeshifter | ;) | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | Quassel works fine | 19:34 |
| flux | luke-jr, in your terms there would be no different to call the current irssi "gtk-based" and another irssi with a GTK-based ui "gtk-based" as well? | 19:34 |
| javispedro | luke-jr: it's what MAKES the GTK mess, but not part of it :) | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | flux: no difference to me | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | javispedro: glib+gtk-gui+GNOME = GTK mess stack :P | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | as compared to QtCore+QtGui+KDE | 19:35 |
| javispedro | you're cheating here | 19:35 |
| javispedro | there's no "gtk-gui" | 19:35 |
| flux | luke-jr, then I think you will not be able to communicate with other people very well about the matter, because I do believe people at large differentiate the two :) | 19:35 |
| summel | oh btw... anybody got kde 4 running on n900? :D | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | summel: I will in a few days if you send me one | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | I have KDE 4.3 running on my N810 currently | 19:36 |
| summel | :D i dont even got one for myself yet :( | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | why not get something else then? :p | 19:36 |
| * HtheB feels ignored | 19:36 | |
| summel | what else? | 19:37 |
| * luke-jr ignores HtheB | 19:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: I'd wish kde4 would run flawlessly on x86 at least | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | summel: I'm hoping Nexus Two is decent. | 19:37 |
| HtheB | aaaaaaarg | 19:37 |
| HtheB | the pain! :( | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: WFM, mostly | 19:37 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: it does :) | 19:37 |
| summel | luke-jr: ewww android | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | summel: LG Apollo sounds nice if we can port Linux to it | 19:37 |
| summel | *hides* | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | summel: shipped software sucks; get over it | 19:37 |
| summel | n900 is perfect :) | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | N900 is far from perfect | 19:37 |
| summel | only so expensive ;_; | 19:37 |
| massoud | ShadowJK: you rocks thanks | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | at least something shipping Windows has a good chance of being properly supported someday <.< | 19:38 |
| massoud | ShadowJK: why this issue regarding pts ? | 19:38 |
| summel | yes, the software is not 100% perfect but its the best i have seen so far :) | 19:38 |
| HtheB | summel, then help me xD | 19:38 |
| ShadowJK | massoud, it's set to something stupidly low | 19:38 |
| summel | HtheB: with what? | 19:38 |
| luke-jr | summel: no matter what device I end up with, I'll probably put Gentoo on it | 19:38 |
| HtheB | well.. where can I download Flasher 3.5 :S | 19:38 |
| VDVsx | ~flashing | 19:38 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:38 |
| summel | ewww gentoo | 19:39 |
| javispedro | VDVsx: akamai is having problems, seems. | 19:39 |
| HtheB | VDVsx, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com is down | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: well, kinda like kde1.2 did | 19:39 |
| summel | i dont know | 19:39 |
| summel | i never flashed :P | 19:39 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: hmm? what distribution? | 19:39 |
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| HtheB | cant download the files VDVsx :( | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf has disro to deal with it? | 19:39 |
| VDVsx | HtheB, so you have to wait a bit, afaik there's no mirrors apart from akamai | 19:39 |
| summel | because imho 99% of the distros that ship kde 4 fucked it up and patched it so much it is broken | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | got a stupid error message here o_0 | 19:40 |
| * VDVsx is off for football :D | 19:41 | |
| summel | i would love a 10" n900 :D | 19:41 |
| summel | without hardware keyboard | 19:41 |
| summel | :o | 19:41 |
| luke-jr | summel: TouchBook? | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | iPad | 19:42 |
| summel | whats a touchbook? | 19:42 |
| summel | eww ipad | 19:42 |
| luke-jr | summel: 2 year old iPad, but cheaper and runs normal OS | 19:42 |
| summel | how can you compare the n900 with an ipad? | 19:42 |
| summel | luke-jr: pics? :D | 19:42 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | 19:42 |
| summel | and hardware speccs | 19:42 |
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| summel | hmm | 19:43 |
| summel | i dont like the "clip on" keyboard | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | 1024x800 8.9" display, OMAP3, 512 MB RAM | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | so don't buy it | 19:43 |
| summel | and it is arm :( | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | you'd prefer MIPS? | 19:43 |
| summel | i want an i686 device | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | N900 is ARM | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | fail | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | x86 sucks | 19:43 |
| summel | i know | 19:43 |
| summel | but arch only runs on i686 or x86_64 | 19:43 |
| luke-jr | then Arch sucks | 19:43 |
| summel | no | 19:44 |
| summel | :P | 19:44 |
| summel | arch is the best distro imho | 19:44 |
| Dassu | :( I wish I could get wine to run on n900 | 19:44 |
| summel | because kde 4 just works like it should <3 | 19:44 |
| summel | ewww | 19:44 |
| summel | why? | 19:44 |
| summel | oO | 19:44 |
| luke-jr | summel: KDE 4 works fine on Gentoo | 19:44 |
| Dassu | summel: free spotify. | 19:44 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: are you saying you're running KDE 4 on gentoo on ARM? | 19:44 |
| summel | luke-jr: how much is the touchbook? | 19:44 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: yes | 19:44 |
| summel | libben: i dont like gentoo :P | 19:45 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: heh | 19:45 |
| summel | Dassu: i dont like spotify | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: not that architecture makes a difference | 19:45 |
| summel | :O | 19:45 |
| alturiak | there never is a "best distro", there just is a "best distro for purpose x" if at all - and for non x86-purposes, arch isn't best. ;-) | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | summel: $300 w/o kb | 19:45 |
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| luke-jr | $400 w/ kb | 19:45 |
| Dassu | summel: ^__^ I love but then again i like to listen all kinds of music and I'm not a fan of any band. | 19:45 |
| summel | i hope meego will run nice on it :D | 19:45 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: well x86 are pretty fast these days. | 19:45 |
| Dassu | summel: it is a good way for me to find new music without wasting HDD space | 19:45 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: fast at discharging batteries, yes, I agree | 19:45 |
| summel | Dassu: spotify is not availeable in my country so i dont like them :D | 19:45 |
| Shapeshifter | :) | 19:45 |
| Dassu | summel: it is freaking awsome :-)! UI is wonderful and you can find almost anyting from the db | 19:46 |
| Shapeshifter | uhm, is the autobuilder broken or something? | 19:46 |
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| summel | luke-jr: nice :) | 19:47 |
| * Dassu might get a premium just for despotify | 19:47 | |
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| summel | Dassu: i used pandora for that and last fm | 19:47 |
| summel | now i use a shady russian website xD | 19:47 |
| Dassu | summel: lastfm streaming doesn't work for me. I heard it works in germany but not too sure about that O_o... | 19:48 |
| summel | yes it does work in germany ^^ | 19:49 |
| Dassu | kk, :/ Wonder if I can use proxy to bypass the limitation... | 19:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | uhm I mean... there's nothing happening on extras-cauldron-builds since 13:08 EET. and I can't move my stuff to the autobuilder queue. | 19:50 |
| summel | probably | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | report it? | 19:51 |
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| javispedro | probably has something to do with the akamai issue.. | 19:51 |
| massoud | On the n900 : i am trying to kill wlancond but there is a watchdog that i don t find that restart the daemon and dsmetool is not working | 19:51 |
| javispedro | did you try "stop wlancond"? | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | icd? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | if anyone, dbus might be respawning it | 19:52 |
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| javispedro | (indirectly because of icd, but it should only do that at every scan request...) | 19:53 |
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| massoud | javispedro: like "/etc/init.d/wlanconf stop" ? does not work | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | reading 395 thanks on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 :> | 19:57 |
| * Stskeeps is such a karma whore | 19:57 | |
| javispedro | board record? | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, i hope not | 19:57 |
| massoud | and "dsmetool stop wlancond" neither | 19:57 |
| * javispedro notes that ironically he's not on the list | 19:58 | |
| Stskeeps | i'd think some of qgil's announcements were higher | 19:58 |
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| javispedro | 396 already =) | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | " The same way you could install Vista on your PC or XP or even Ubuntu or other crazy operating systems, this is possible on your N900 - you do not have to rely on your hardware vendor to provide a OS for your device." | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: since when? | 19:58 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: N900 doesn't depend on proprietary components anymore? BME? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: if you do my polish homework, i will discuss with you | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, with this bunch of experts, I'd guess I may ask for some buzzwords on how to decouple camerad-ui / omapcamd0 from the slider switch -- so I could have a different app started on camslide open | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'd think it was a hildon-desktop thing maybe? or mce | 20:00 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: in case you didn't notice, you *don't* rely on vendors for drivers on any sane PC | 20:00 |
| summel | DocScrutinizer: isnt that possible with tweakr or that other app from extra-devel? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: uhm, yes you do | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: nvidia.. :P | 20:01 |
| luke-jr | the good ones provide code to base them on, but inevitably it's part of the OS | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | summel: tweakr: no | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | wlan firmware.. | 20:01 |
| luke-jr | nVidia blobs are illegal on Linux, not a valid example | 20:01 |
| luke-jr | firmware != drivers | 20:01 |
| * Stskeeps sighs | 20:01 | |
| * Stskeeps notes luke-jr and himself does not share a common world view and is not able to reach any conclusions, ever | 20:01 | |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, btw wanna write something that reads from an i2c device? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:01 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: errr, ATI and NVidia both provide drivers which aren't included in Windows | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: on a related sidenote, where's those licensing change requests? | 20:02 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: I don't consider Windows to be a sane OS | 20:02 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I did them. | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | err that's omap3camd and camera-ui, of course | 20:02 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: BME and gpsdriver | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: you did? with the new forms? | 20:02 |
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| Stskeeps | hrm, is maemo.org FUBAR atm? | 20:03 |
| summel | Jaffa: they are included in windows 7 | 20:03 |
| summel | well not included but availeable with windows update | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: could you give me bug #'s? | 20:04 |
| Jaffa | summel: and also not written by Microsoft | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: -.- use search | 20:04 |
| Windrose | Stskeeps: appears alive. | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: gah, thanks - i'll process it first thing in the morning | 20:05 |
| summel | Jaffa: yes and thats a good thing ^^ | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: -1 for not following guidelines at first :P | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: please make a form for 9313 | 20:06 |
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| javispedro | form #9313 "request for comments for request for evaluating the request for a request for comments for the evaluation of the request of the licensing changing of user space battery charging related components" | 20:07 |
| javispedro | ah no, it's a bugreport no :P | 20:08 |
| javispedro | bug #9313 | 20:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9313 open gpsdriver | 20:08 |
| javispedro | povbot: ping? | 20:08 |
| povbot | javispedro: Error: "ping?" is not a valid command. | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: LOL | 20:08 |
| b-man17 | Stskeeps: i don't think Luke-Jr shares a common world view with _anyone_ ;P | 20:09 |
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| b-man17 | btw | 20:09 |
| b-man17 | i just ported a perogram used to recover deleted files on an ext3/ext4 filesystem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=566993#post566993 - check it out! :D | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: fail | 20:09 |
| b-man17 | lol | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | and nice | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot dead since some days now | 20:09 |
| povbot | DocScrutinizer: Error: "dead" is not a valid command. | 20:09 |
| b-man17 | luke-jr: ty :) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: and the forms isn't to make your life more difficult, it's just to have coherent and to-the-point info :P | 20:10 |
| summel | oh what filesystem does the n900 use? ext2? | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm quite sure crashanddie killed it by mode +q $~a | 20:10 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: mh. do you think they know about it? Where should I report? Apparently, no one said anything on the maemo-developers ml... | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | summel: jffs2 and vfat I think | 20:10 |
| mikkov | javispedro: thanks for the tuxracer fix | 20:11 |
| b-man17 | summel: ubifs | 20:11 |
| summel | mhm mhm | 20:11 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: if it does not get back up when the repos do, I'd post it. | 20:11 |
| b-man17 | summel: /opt is ext3 | 20:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: ahh they're down as well. I see. | 20:11 |
| b-man17 | and /home/uservMyDocs is vfat | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: could you remove [Bannliste: #maemo] $~a eingetragen von crashanddie am 2010-03-12 07:49 please? | 20:12 |
| summel | why ext3? | 20:12 |
| b-man17 | */home/user/MyDocs | 20:12 |
| summel | wouldn't ext2 be better? :D | 20:12 |
| b-man17 | i think ext3 gets allong better with ubifs | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | ext3 is better cos you really don't want a nuked ext2 fs cos of pulling a battery | 20:13 |
| b-man17 | ;) | 20:13 |
| summel | but if it supports ext3 it should also support ext2? | 20:13 |
| javispedro | mikkov: np! thanks for the initial port! | 20:13 |
| summel | but journaling on flash memory? oO | 20:13 |
| b-man17 | yup | 20:13 |
| summel | isn't that a bad thing? | 20:13 |
| b-man17 | well | 20:14 |
| b-man17 | the ext3 partition is on eMMC | 20:14 |
| b-man17 | not flash | 20:14 |
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| summel | hmm ok | 20:15 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: uh, ext3 is more likely to get broken by pulled battery than ext2 | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | at least ext2 should be fine after a fsck | 20:15 |
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| luke-jr | but ext3 would just get screwed over | 20:16 |
| summel | zfs :D | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | unless N900 has an internal non-removable battery/capacitor to let the eMMC finish all pending writes | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: what's your notion about the +q $~a on this chan? Couldn't that be removed? | 20:16 |
| ShadowJK | they're both kinda doomed on flash I'd think | 20:16 |
| b-man17 | i'm sure theay'd have to by design | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | since you don't just a 512 byte sector but you lose a 256k block.. | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: ext2 should recover from fsck tho | 20:17 |
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| luke-jr | oh, true | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | wait no | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | doesn't the replacement block get written before the original is wiped? | 20:17 |
| ShadowJK | no | 20:18 |
| ShadowJK | Well | 20:18 |
| luke-jr | on eMMC | 20:18 |
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| javispedro | well, that's why the system files are on the onenand :) | 20:18 |
| luke-jr | if not, you *could* make ext2 with 256k blocks and align it... | 20:18 |
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| ShadowJK | not sure why ext3 would be worse than ext2 though | 20:19 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: because ext3 assumes in-order writing | 20:19 |
| luke-jr | whereas eMMC may very well do it out-of-order | 20:19 |
| ShadowJK | I'd think ext2 has the same assumption.. | 20:19 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: The what? | 20:19 |
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| luke-jr | ext2 doesn't quite assume much there, I think | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and me not sure why oneNAND would be any better tha SD/MMC | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: /mode #maemo q | 20:20 |
| luke-jr | also ext2's fsck actually checks the contents, not merely a journal | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it makes everyone without a registered nick unable to talk | 20:20 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe we should set the do-real-fsck-everytime flag :) | 20:20 |
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| summel | i would assume that a non-journaling fs dos not check any journal :P | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: quiets all non registered users, including povbot | 20:20 |
| embedded | Does someone use EsBox for Maemo developments? | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: in that case, ext3 just increases wear needlessly :) | 20:21 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: cause the onenand filesystem at least knows about those issues... and is a log based fs. | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | wear is overrated | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I really miss to see why we would need that permanently | 20:21 |
| ShadowJK | I've had nilfs2 abusing SD cards and USB memory sticks for a month now and nothing has broken :D | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: also, direct NAND allows the CPU to control write order I think | 20:22 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: why waste the wear+write time when it has no gains? | 20:22 |
| ShadowJK | direct nand makes it less of a black box. emmc has no write barriers or anything :-) | 20:22 |
| slonopotamus | embedded, yep | 20:22 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: how's the n900? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | (and the kiddo) | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well, even if all that's correct, I don't see how it will help a lot on the issue | 20:22 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: (mine is wanting to go to bed I think, and the next one is due Oct 6 :p) | 20:23 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, they said it's fixed on friday. going to take it tomorrow. | 20:23 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, you know, tomtom actually did repetitive powerloss tests and ended up with ext3 too :P | 20:23 |
| embedded | slonopotamus: do you if is possible to debug remotely a console app developed with EsBox ? | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: maybe the fsck speed was worth the risk, or maybe they added a battery for writes | 20:24 |
| slonopotamus | embedded, remotely? having app runninglyon device? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-12 19:13:20] <kkito> do you know why i am not able to chat in #maemo? | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-03-12 19:13:35] <kkito> * #maemo :Cannot send to channel | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot: ping | 20:24 |
| povbot | pong | 20:24 |
| embedded | slonopotamus: yes, precisely | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, also "user unplugs SD card in middle of write" | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: hehehe | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | I think that falls under "that's not supported" | 20:25 |
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| b-man17 | Luke-Jr there is a tiny battery on the N900's logic board - you think it's used for that? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: definitely there's no battery to buffer writes on N900 | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | b-man17: possible | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | b-man17, I think there's one for keeping the clock alive | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | if the back cover is taken off, sd card is unmounted | 20:26 |
| slonopotamus | embedded, haven't tried (don't have device now), though afair such option is present in esbox | 20:26 |
| embedded | slonopotamus: I'm trying to do that with a SSH session but the app needs to run in osso-xterm. how can I do that? | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, I meant tomtom did repetitive powerloss/suddeneject tests on different fs combinations | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and I doubt there's any on any other mobile device | 20:26 |
| luke-jr | why does N900 need to keep a clock running? ;) | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | their devices have no door infront of the card | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, agps stops working if it has the wrong time ;-) | 20:27 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: GPS signal contains time... | 20:27 |
| slonopotamus | embedded, no clue, sorry | 20:27 |
| ShadowJK | needs to find satellite first to get time :) | 20:27 |
| embedded | Hey guys, nobody can help me with this issue? | 20:28 |
| b-man17 | ShadowJK: even the N770 had a battery xD | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | embedded: maemo-developers@ mabe | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: meh! :P | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: boot takes a few seconds, long enough to find one | 20:30 |
| embedded | Stskeeps: Is it a channel? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | no, mailing list | 20:30 |
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| b-man17 | hmm, not much traffic from my extundelete thread - maybe my big fat warning is scaring people off xD | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: booting without correct time means you *must not* use agps / stored alm/ephem | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so finding sats can take a lot longer, or fail completely under poor signal conditions | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | b-man17: I really misparsed that as "extund el ette" :-/ | 20:35 |
| b-man17 | lol | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | Anyway, use LogFS :> | 20:36 |
| b-man17 | what's that mean, Jaffa? | 20:36 |
| * b-man17 translates it | 20:38 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: there's only so many sats, should be enough time during boot... | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | b-man17: No idea; which is why I was confused. | 20:39 |
| b-man17 | rofl | 20:39 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: for next time, component area is the leftmost things | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | but thanks | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | i'll process tomorrow in my working hours | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | leftmost things? | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | didn't see no leftmost things | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/diablo/ | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | 'Area' | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | (and down) | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | that's not the link the question had | 20:40 |
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| luke-jr | question's link just had L# | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | really? :P | 20:40 |
| * Stskeeps ponders if he messed up somewhere then | 20:41 | |
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| luke-jr | What component area is the component in if you know? (See the openness reports at http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html) | 20:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, when you click further in to the actual reports, it should be more or less obviously | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | nm though | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | it's Other/Other in diablo | 20:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: GPS is doing sth that's been considered impossible some 30 years ago: filtering out a signal from a much stronger random noise. This is done by correlators which basically have to know about the expected signal to find the hidden actual one in the noise. It's not as simple as "you got enough time to scan 28 channels if there's a carrier of the sat on that chan" | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: due to sats being moving transmitters you see quite relevant doppler and other distorting effects that are highly related to the *exact* time you look for that particular sat's signal | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: current GPS chipsets have several thousands of those hardware correlators, to scan all possible signals possibly seen inside the noise | 20:56 |
| mikkov | found tuxracer crash reason | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the more of those a chipset has, the faster it'll find a sat. But correct time plus alm/ephem also help a lot | 20:57 |
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| ShadowJK | they all transmit on the same frequency, and there my understanding of signals ends :-( | 21:09 |
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| kamui | dude | 21:40 |
| kamui | Im pretty bummed | 21:40 |
| haltdef | why | 21:40 |
| kamui | Im really approaching a point where I have to reflash | 21:41 |
| kamui | and I was hoping to god that pr 1.2 or meego would be available before I did | 21:41 |
| kamui | hey haltdef | 21:41 |
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| haltdef | what's wrong? | 21:41 |
| kamui | its a huge hassle to reinstall all of my custom stuff | 21:42 |
| kamui | and I dont' want to do it only to have pr 1.2 or meego released for the N900 like 2 days later | 21:42 |
| kamui | that happened to me with pr 1.1 | 21:42 |
| kamui | and man I was annoyed | 21:42 |
| haltdef | haha | 21:42 |
| kamui | I guess pretty bummed was the wrong descriptor for my feelings | 21:42 |
| kamui | more like, Im preemptively annoyed | 21:43 |
| haltdef | I don't get why you're approaching the point where you need to reflash | 21:43 |
| kamui | knowing that is my future fate | 21:43 |
| kamui | system is running a bit slower than it should | 21:43 |
| kamui | Im having some random errors, and the pr 1.1.1 update didn't install properly | 21:43 |
| kamui | so its livable | 21:43 |
| kamui | but not ideal | 21:43 |
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| kamui | I have plenty of free root space, but my user partition is getting full | 21:44 |
| kamui | which is always fun | 21:44 |
| haltdef | you filled up the 27GB partition? | 21:44 |
| kamui | and then that huge whopping 28gigs of wasted fat32 is sitting there useless | 21:44 |
| kamui | no | 21:44 |
| haltdef | oh | 21:44 |
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| haltdef | surely you can re-jiggle that a bit | 21:44 |
| kamui | I've seen some posts about repartitioning | 21:44 |
| haltdef | hopefully pr 1.2 will be out by the time I get my n900 :P | 21:45 |
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| haltdef | nobody know what will be new or improved in it? | 21:47 |
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| DenRaf | hi all | 21:47 |
| FIQ | nokia doesn't show those details iirc | 21:47 |
| haltdef | yea I figured, not much on the internets about it | 21:47 |
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| DenRaf | prolly the most annoying question for you all, but can run maemo on the htc G1 ? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | no, maybe mer, but wait for meego | 21:48 |
| DenRaf | k,thx | 21:48 |
| ShadowJK | oh wow, haltdef getting n900 too? :-) | 21:49 |
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| haltdef | mmhmm | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i'm pondering who else from unreal starts jumping on the bandwagon :P | 21:50 |
| ShadowJK | hehe | 21:50 |
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| haltdef | n900 was going to be my next phone pretty much since it was announced, only now is it possible for me to actually get one | 21:51 |
| haltdef | job :P | 21:51 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: hopefully not too many | 21:51 |
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| w00t | else one of these days the undesirable crazies will start coming along | 21:52 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t: i had suspected luke-jr of being ashes for a fair bit | 21:52 |
| * w00t lols | 21:52 | |
| w00t | i almost miss ashes :( | 21:53 |
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| w00t | ..almost.. | 21:53 |
| haltdef | lol | 21:53 |
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| V13 | (yes/no question) Is it possible to create status-menu-widget with PyQt? | 22:09 |
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| gbraad | does anyone have the PR1.1.1 update for the n900? tablets-dev throws an error | 22:26 |
| gbraad | device doesnt want to update using Application Manager (issues with retrieving apt info) and NSU complains about disk space | 22:27 |
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| Flyser_ | Does anyone know how I can change profiles for remote controls in the irreco database? I made a mistake and want to fix it | 22:29 |
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| kamui | gbraad | 22:40 |
| kamui | you need a ton of space | 22:40 |
| kamui | like 45 megs free on root iirc | 22:40 |
| Shapeshifter | gbraad: also, the repositories seem to be unreachable atm. | 22:40 |
| gbraad | so i wanted to use the flasher | 22:42 |
| gbraad | but unavailable ATM | 22:42 |
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| V13 | ok... is pr1.2 comming? | 22:42 |
| V13 | repositories are down and I can't upload to builder | 22:43 |
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| * V13 gets a nokia employee and tortures him | 22:43 | |
| pupnik | sunday isnt a very good day for emergency response on servers | 22:43 |
| pupnik | on maemo servers | 22:43 |
| V13 | indeed | 22:43 |
| V13 | but the builder as well ? | 22:43 |
| gbraad | only found flasher-3.0 and some older 770 and n810 firmware on my server | 22:43 |
| gbraad | argh! | 22:44 |
| V13 | both the builder and the repositories ? | 22:44 |
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| HarryS | does anyone know if CDMA from Verizon Wireless is supported on the n900? | 22:56 |
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| ShadowJK | it is not | 22:57 |
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| HarryS | is there any plans for it to work on Verizon CDMA? It's an impressive phone. | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | No CDMA is. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It would require the carrier to agree to have it put on the network. | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | And they'd want to neuter it probably. | 22:59 |
| HarryS | :[ Aww. | 23:00 |
| Shapeshifter | So has someone found a source of qwerty keymats that ships to europe? I found a german supplier but they only sell the stupid qwertz version. | 23:02 |
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| DrGrov | Back | 23:10 |
| V13 | ladies and gentlemen.. after a dozen hours of coding, I present you "actman". A (for now) shell script to manage activities. Have a look here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=567148 | 23:11 |
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| DrGrov | It works to play a regular TV show which is approximately 350MB and pixels are about 600-650 times 300-400 | 23:11 |
| DrGrov | just played a House episode without any problems at all :) | 23:11 |
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| haltdef | this pleases me | 23:11 |
| pupnik | :) | 23:12 |
| haltdef | want to see how well it copes with my 720x480 16:9 ~2000kbps x264 encodes | 23:12 |
| pupnik | i picture the smiling snake | 23:12 |
| pupnik | find us a good x264 setting for n900 | 23:13 |
| haltdef | I'm not faffing with re-encoding stuff for it unless it's HD, that's for iphone users | 23:13 |
| haltdef | :P | 23:13 |
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| DrGrov | haltdef: what pleases you? | 23:14 |
| haltdef | scene xvids playing fine | 23:15 |
| haltdef | my msm72xx based WM device struggles, useless | 23:15 |
| DrGrov | haltdef: fuck yeah! ;) i was *absolutely* sure about tihs | 23:15 |
| DrGrov | haltdef: no lagging what so ever | 23:16 |
| DrGrov | the next step is to try a scene 720p HD, tomorrow it will be 24 ;) | 23:16 |
| Arif_ | hmm? | 23:16 |
| haltdef | mine drops like 10% of the frames just to keep up | 23:16 |
| haltdef | that isn't gonna work :P | 23:16 |
| Arif_ | you can't play HD on the N900...! | 23:16 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: perhaps I can, perhaps I can't :) | 23:16 |
| haltdef | no you can't :> | 23:17 |
| Arif_ | I tried :P | 23:17 |
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| Arif_ | doesn't play a ~500MB scene rip | 23:17 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: GOD DAMN Why did you destroy my faith which I had for 720p HD ;) | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | use the baeline x264 preset. main and high profile is bad idea | 23:17 |
| Arif_ | I love ruining people's hopes =P | 23:17 |
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| DrGrov | Arif_: well you son of a ..... :D LOL | 23:17 |
| Arif_ | xD | 23:18 |
| DrGrov | but 350 mb scene xvid is enough :) | 23:18 |
| Arif_ | those work fine :P | 23:18 |
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| DrGrov | Arif_: yeah, it is absolutely great. 1,5h lunch brakes now have a meaning ;) | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | I hope KMplayer and Mplayer will improve soon | 23:19 |
| Arif_ | its a pain streaming content...:P | 23:20 |
| DrGrov | yeah, i can imagine that. i won't even try it until it becomes stable and some improvements at least are done | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | it works | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | could get maybe 10% extra out of newer mplayer | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | but at the smallest hicup the video/audio gets out of sync | 23:20 |
| Arif_ | and it takes 1+ minute to buffer | 23:21 |
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| Arif_ | And the buffer is like | 23:21 |
| Arif_ | 0 :D | 23:21 |
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| * Noobmonk3y wants more buffered media :) | 23:24 | |
| Shapeshifter | Mh. What the maemo UI desperately needs is a wheel-type-of-popup to select values without using the keyboard. | 23:24 |
| Arif_ | stay far away from moomo then | 23:24 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | as in, a wheel pops up and you can turn it to increase/decrease a value. | 23:24 |
| Shapeshifter | spinboxes suck | 23:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | good idea :) | 23:25 |
| Shapeshifter | and the dialog-type-of-picker doesn't really work well for more then a couple of items | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | sleepy time, haven't had too much time for anything else this weekend except the N900 | 23:25 |
| Arif_ | what about you can TYPE the value! | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | but see you guys tomorrow | 23:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | Arif_: I said without keyboard. | 23:25 |
| Arif_ | oh | 23:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | think the value! | 23:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | ttyl guys later | 23:25 |
| Arif_ | make a hand gesture | 23:25 |
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| Arif_ | of the value :D | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | shout at the phone? | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:26 |
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| Noobmonk3y | try and gesture 1484765? | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | Arif_: yeah right. make use of the accelerometer to "draw" values into the air | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | the front cam? | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:26 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | write it on a piece of paper and let it OCR it | 23:26 |
| Arif_ | :D | 23:26 |
| Shapeshifter | select values by throwing your phone into the air, it will pick the value by cms | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | write it on paper and scan it with the camera | 23:26 |
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| Shapeshifter | centimeters | 23:27 |
| Arif_ | lol | 23:27 |
| Shapeshifter | endless possibilities | 23:27 |
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| Arif_ | a virtual numberpad would be nice, too | 23:27 |
| Arif_ | keep it simple! | 23:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:28 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh. can't find a way in qt to make it automatically only accept number input for the spinbox (which only takes numbers anyway). So if someone wants to enter numbers (the only thing it takes), you still have to press "->" | 23:29 |
| Shapeshifter | how stupid. | 23:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | actually, any spinbox should simply register drag events. when the user starts a drag on a spinbox, left and down should decrease the value, and right and up should increase it. | 23:34 |
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| DrGrov | Hi again | 23:47 |
| DrGrov | One quick question about Internet connections | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | hi | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | oo | 23:48 |
| DrGrov | I have set my Internet connections to my 3G flat rate and my home WiFi. There is nothing else in the list on available connections. I added them myself. | 23:48 |
| Arif_ | it shows available wlan too... | 23:48 |
| DrGrov | And I chose that it would automatically connect using WiFi and refresh state to "never". | 23:48 |
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| DrGrov | so what happens tomorrow when i go to work where there is WiFi? will it automatically connect to that WiFi ? | 23:49 |
| Arif_ | it'll connect to your work wifi if you need it | 23:49 |
| DrGrov | Yes, I know about that there is available WLAN when I choose which WLAN to use | 23:50 |
| DrGrov | But of course I just use my own WLAN | 23:50 |
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| DrGrov | so it will *not* automatically connect to the work WiFi if I don't open the web? | 23:50 |
| Arif_ | anything that uses internet really | 23:50 |
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| Arif_ | will automagically use your work wifi | 23:50 |
| DrGrov | the reason I ask is because it is unprotected and no one is caring about security on that wifi | 23:51 |
| DrGrov | I should change to "Ask always" option with the automatic connect to ? | 23:51 |
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| Arif_ | I have it set to 3G&Wifi | 23:52 |
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| Arif_ | so it'll just connect to anything it finds | 23:52 |
| DrGrov | ok | 23:52 |
| Arif_ | only annoying thing is it doesn't disconnect after you stop using the internet | 23:52 |
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| Klowner | anyone Netherlander's around? | 23:53 |
| DrGrov | i put so that it first takes hopefully my own wlan and it seems to do this because in Connections i have only my WiFi available as a "good" connection | 23:53 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: yeah, i saw that it doesn't automatically disconnect. | 23:53 |
| Arif_ | Klowner, I live there.... :p | 23:54 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: so perhaps best to keep it so that it automatically connect to WiFi since it seems it chooses my own WiFi first because of the connections settings? | 23:54 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: or how should I do? | 23:54 |
| Arif_ | on wifi&3G it looks for wifi first | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | then 3G if there's no wifi | 23:55 |
| Klowner | Arif_: I'm visiting there next month and I was wondering how difficult it would be for me to obtain a pre-paid SIM (primarily for data) for a couple weeks | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | walk into a store and ask for one | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | no need for any papers | 23:55 |
| Klowner | Arif_: do they have all the activation fees and such that I have to deal with in US? | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | no | 23:55 |
| Klowner | that's so nice | 23:56 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: ok, but when I keep it as WiFi automatically and it chooses my own WiFi at home it shouldn't choose any other WiFi I hope even though it automatically connects to WiFi first? It will then use my 3G if it doesn't find my own WiFi, correct? | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | you can just pop it in, load some credit, usually comes with €10 and go | 23:56 |
| Klowner | stupid carriers here charge you $20 for "activation" on top of $50 for a month of pre-paid with unlimited calling/data | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | DrGrov, it uses any unprotected wifi it finds | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | or APNs you set | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | if not 3G | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | Klowner, prepaid data is pretty expensive though | 23:57 |
| Klowner | Arif_: any idea how much? roughly? | 23:58 |
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| Arif_ | Vodafone has a 250MB for €10 | 23:58 |
| Arif_ | TMobile has a per day plan | 23:58 |
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| Arif_ | how much data do you need? | 23:58 |
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| Klowner | I bet 500MB would be more than enough | 23:59 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: it does that? it found unprotected WiFi when I choose my own connection manually. | 23:59 |
| DrGrov | Arif_: but didn't use that. but i will switch it to ask always setting just in case. | 23:59 |
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