IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-03-14

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prontoso when i try to untar something on the n900, with "tar xvf file.tar.bz2"  i get  tar: invalid tar magic00:06
DragnslcrIf it's bzipped, you have to add that option to tar00:06
prontoi've never had to do that before00:07
DragnslcrI know gzip is -z00:07
FredrIQseems like supertuxkart has open gl es, it's possible to run in easy debian00:07
jjozip is -j00:07
jjobzip that is00:07
FredrIQit is way from fast - but it seems to run00:07
prontowith tar on any desktop distro , its never matter if it was gz or bz2 ,  tar xvf has always worked00:07
FredrIQso a port would be possible i guess00:08
DragnslcrMust be a magic version of tar you've been using00:08
DragnslcrI've always used -z, though I haven't tried without it00:08
prontowait does the tar on the n900 not even support bz2 O_o00:09
DragnslcrHm, looks like it might not00:10
DragnslcrI'm not sure if bzip2 is installed by default, so that might be part of it00:12
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dreginis it possible to clone a git repo from within esbox?00:15
ptlis there a way to calibrate the accelerometer?00:15
dreginegit had unmet dependancies when I tried to install it.00:15
DrGrovHow is Skype integrated into the N900?00:15
ptlvia the messaging infrastructure.00:15
DrGrovI make a connection to Skype through ...  ?00:15
DrGrovah, the messaging. cool00:15
ptlthrough the telephone app00:15
ptlyou choose 'skype' instead of 'network'00:16
DrGrovptl: can i delete one by one from the call log or do i need to delete all phone log details at once?00:16
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ptlDrGrov: I dunno, never tried to delete anything from the call log, maybe you can script that if you know maemo well enough00:17
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DrGrovptl: ok, i think i can delete the call log as i can delete the SMS messages from Conversations.00:23
DrGrovshould be basically the same thing to get them deleted without too much problems i presume00:23
DrGrovbut i got the advanced call "something" to help a bit out on that part with the call log if there is the need for more control00:24
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Shapeshiftermhh. I still miss ddate01:11
Shapeshifterits not in coreutils-gnu01:11
Shapeshifteralthough its so important to humanity01:12
ShadowJKhm.. I wonder if it'd be safe to try dump bme's stack to a file with gdb...01:12
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ShadowJKthere are realtime signals going on an a realtime message queue..01:15
ShadowJKmaybe I need to script gdb instead of interactive to be safe01:15
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SpeedEvilthis is n900?01:15
* SpeedEvil forgets who has what.01:15
ShadowJKit's communicating with something over SMBUS01:17
ShadowJKI can see that with strace, it's doing ioctl on /dev/i2c-201:18
ShadowJKbut the ioctl takes as argument pointer to a struct containing the actual commands and a pointer to data.. I want to dump the memory of bme at that memory address01:18
ptl'seems confusing01:19
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Or teach strace about hte ioctl01:19
ShadowJKoh you can do that?01:19
SpeedEvilI presume so.01:19
SpeedEvilIt doesn't magically know about some ioctls.01:20
SpeedEvilSomeone must have told it, or it have some means of parsing.01:20
SpeedEvilDunno how easy it is01:20
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tripzeron900 not mounting in ubuntu 10.04.  anyone else see this as well?02:31
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auenf"rescuing software update please dont turn off"02:34
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auenfwent flat, plugged it into charger and that came up ;)02:36
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auenferr, "rescuing software update please do not interrupt"02:37
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Arif_maybe its a sign to get an N90002:40
Arif_I found some annoyance in the N900 Phone settings.....02:43
Arif_the forwarding option resets to 20 seconds automagically02:43
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auenfArif_, n900 not on sale here till next month02:58
auenfrrp AUD$89902:58
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pupnikcatorise has an update hurricane :)03:21
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wazd - shop :)03:29
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MiXu-At least the HW on C6 looks decent.08:48
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MiXu-And taking in account that it'll probably be a pretty cheap phone, I'd say it has the possibility of becoming the next 5800.09:04
MiXu-(best sold nokian smartphone)09:04
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pupnikpanucci playing back mp3s with 40-50 pct cpu use makes pupnik sad, and battery dead12:02
pupniki need to make gpodder launch my low-cpu mp3 player12:04
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FIQcan i start microb from xterm somehow?12:12
FIQit happily crashes much, and i think xterm could give a hint12:12
SpeedEvilpupnik_: how low cpu?12:13
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pupnik_6 at 25012:19
pupnik_on 64k mono lectures12:19
pupnik_12 total12:19
pupnik_getting high volume is the tricky part12:20
pupnik_need to open device with PA at desired volume12:21
pupnik_thenm suspend PA and hit the alsa device directly12:21
pupnik_browserd also sits there chewing 13 pct of cpu while backgrounded12:26
SpeedEvilthis is what?12:30
SpeedEvilyou can kill browserd12:30
SpeedEvilif you edit the dsme launcher12:30
SpeedEvilwell - you can kill it without - but ...12:30
pupnik_plane jane mplayer SpeedEvil12:31
pupnik_havent even compiled some of the efficient arm optimized players12:32
pupnik_/home/opt/maemo/usr/share/gpodder/ui/maemo  ... by the horned one's hoof i can not understand that at ALL12:33
pupnik_where is the launch string for audio player????!!!12:34
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FIQis tuxrace optified?13:00
FIQi don't want it to eat 70MB of my root partition, and it's 30MB free atm13:01
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DocScrutinizerHAM is a really poor source of information. No changelog, no full list of FQN files installed with size...13:11
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: HAM is the application manager, right?13:15
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Shapeshifterit's also very slow13:16
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DocScrutinizerI guess that's the underlaying apt-get update13:17
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Shapeshifternot only that. when you go to "uninstall" it also takes ages.13:18
DocScrutinizerand of course the loading of hundereds of icons13:18
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pupnik_do a top while it updates13:19
Shapeshifteror after installing one app, it freezes like 5 seconds before reloading the list and stuff13:19
pupnik_i forgot the nam e of the rescanning process13:19
DocScrutinizerthat's writeback of the new apt database13:19
DocScrutinizeror reread of that one13:20
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SpeedEvilIs there any way tot get the headswt button skipping tracks?13:21
SpeedEvilon the stock player13:21
DocScrutinizernot afaik13:22
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you need micbias on headset to detect hold button13:23
pupnik_i havent seen any projects to speed up apt.13:23
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pupnik_hashes, trees?  ... something must be possible...13:24
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: probably they did all they could reasonably think of in apt to speed it up, already13:25
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pupnik_i did a little snnuffling, and it is too complicated for me13:26
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SpeedEvilhmm - yeah13:28
SpeedEvil[75910.001190] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected13:28
SpeedEvil[75911.074707] input: headset button as /class/input/input513:28
SpeedEvilbut doesn't do much13:28
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: start recorder13:28
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: hs-buuton pressed means GND level at some GPIO. This can also be caused by missing micbias. We seen bogus headset button evens on FR for every state chane of alsastates that en/dis-abled micbias13:31
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DocScrutinizerprobably they wrere reluctant to spend the extra 2mA for micbias, just to detect the holdbutton13:34
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: anyway please keep me updated on your results, so I can scratchit form my todo list ;-)13:36
SpeedEvilfair enough13:36
SpeedEvilwhich results?13:36
DocScrutinizerthought you're going to meddle with it13:36
SpeedEvilah - will do13:37
SpeedEvilprobably am13:37
DocScrutinizerlike "enable micbias in amixer", "start recorder and see which events clas/input/5 shows on buttonpress", etc13:37
summelcan i install maemo on every arm device?13:37
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DocScrutinizerlong story is more  complicated and somewhat different.13:39
Stskeepswait for meego13:39
DocScrutinizerbut I'm not the one to tell13:39
summelhmmm yeah13:39
DocScrutinizerStskeeps is13:39
summeland meego will definitely run on the n900? ^^13:39
Stskeepssummel: it's an announced reference device for it, so yes13:40
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* Stskeeps ponders if he should finally step up and buy a soldering kit13:50
lcukstep up?13:50
Stskeepsor move up13:50
lcuki thought that was a prerequisite before getting involved in linux13:50
Stskeepsno, i've almost exclusively done sw13:51
lcuklike samurais have swords, we have soldering irons13:51
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lcukvirtualised linux development :p13:51
lcukso, yes get yourself one13:51
lcukand a solder sucker too13:51
Shapeshiftermhh, I'm trying to set the IM presence through dbus using an example from jebba's page, but it doesn't seem to work: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/MissionControl org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl.SetPresence uint32:2 string:"I'm here" ------> Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.Telepathy.MissionControl ...13:51
Shapeshifter... was not provided by any .service files13:52
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lcukShapeshifter, that killed my client :S13:52
Shapeshifterlcuk: what killed what client? ^^13:52
lcukur uberpaste13:52
lcuki had blank lines13:53
Shapeshifterblank lines? I don't have any.13:53
Shapeshifterit's not a huge paste even.13:53
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: wtf are you going to slder? o.O :-)13:53
* Shapeshifter is using irssi.13:53
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: putting my freerunner usb plug back in place13:53
Stskeepsright now it's well, free floating :P13:54
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I'd recommend you find a cellphone repair&rework shop13:55
Stskeepsor befriend an electronics engineer13:55
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: they're more experienced in SMT soldering ;-)13:55
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DocScrutinizerhell, probably even I did13:56
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DocScrutinizerrather than burn tip of my nose13:56
joppuwazd: How do you create themes for N8x0? Thru TM or with the Autobuilder medhod? Where can I find the OS2008 template? I don't own a N8x0, but my friend does, so I was thinking about porting a few of my themes.13:56
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i'm pondering if there's other ways of reviving it, but the usb plug not working is a bit of a killer :P13:57
Stskeepswas going to put it in our car as it has decent gps, but *shrug*13:57
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: well USB receptacle resoldering is one of the more easy exercises13:58
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: compared to e.g. resoldering QFP :-P13:59
Stskeepshehe :P13:59
* Stskeeps wonders if there's any hackable gps's13:59
DocScrutinizerstill mere impossible if you're not incredibly gifted or have long years of experience14:00
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SpeedEvilefine hackable.14:02
DocScrutinizerI'm like soldering for 40 years now, and I'd happily leave the job to somebody else. So decide on yourself14:02
Stskeepsprobably will end up throwing out my FR eventually, depending on cost :P14:02
DocScrutinizerbring it to a repair shop, wave with a 10bucks bill14:03
Stskeepsthink i'll probably end up donating it to someone since i got it for free14:04
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I'd recommend you remove main PCB from case and bring the bare PCBA to shop - screen protected by a paper scotchtaped over it14:04
SpeedEvilAfter finding a shop that does actual component level repairs.14:05
DocScrutinizeryou probably can wait for the fix14:05
SpeedEvilThey are not so common in many countries14:05
Stskeepswell, in poland it shouldn't be impossible14:05
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DocScrutinizerhere in Germany a lot of those little shops mostly run by Turkish offer LED replacement by some nicer color new smd LEDs14:06
DocScrutinizerthey for sure can do a USB jack soldering as well14:06
Stskeepsit's impossible to get a good turkish/pakistani pizza here, so i doubt the LED guys are here too :/14:07
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wazdjoppu: just download older TM14:07
wazdjoppu: before 1.2.714:07
* DocScrutinizer doubts there's any place in the world to get / any such thing like 'good turkish pizza'14:08
SpeedEvilIt's like regular pizza with more dates.14:08
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: they do them pretty well in .dk compared to polish ones.14:08
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Shapeshifter ^^14:11
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* Shapeshifter gets the feeling that telepathy in maemo5 is somewhat crippled14:13
* DocScrutinizer wouldn't be surprised to finf this a correct asumption14:16
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JaffaGAN900: ping14:22
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Funnyfacehmm joikuspot drains loads of power..14:55
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FunnyfaceI think it is the software itself, not the radio and wifi adapter14:56
Stskeepswell, there's no PSM so that probably doesn't help either?14:56
Stskeeps - Maemo, 5 proud years of making you able to shoot yourself in the foot14:57
FlyserFunnyface: I think the most power is drained to send beacon frames. the wifi can't go into power saving state14:57
pupnik_if you advocate removing that power Stskeeps, go to iphone14:58
Funnyfaceok. I also notice that it's heating up very quickly :p14:58
Stskeepspupnik_: no, it was just funny14:58
pupnik_ah :)14:59
rangeFunnyface: That's the bacon frames, they need heat to get crusty.15:00
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V13reps are down or is it only my akamai?15:11
V13I did something good :-) ... but I need support... a.k.a. review...15:16
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V13I manages to save and restore the desktop15:17
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V13meaning that it is possible to have multiple "desktops", with different apps, bookmarks and widgets15:17
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V13But I'm afraid to test it in N900.. seems to work in SDK but repos are down and I cannot add complex widgets to test it.15:17
V13Only the RSS reader is isntalled15:18
pupnik_ok testing15:18
V13I'm not getting you15:20
V13You mean I should send it to -devel ?15:20
V13It is a simple shell script.15:20
V13(for now)15:20
nidOhe means hes testing the repos for you :)15:20
V13oh :)15:20
V13yes... waiting and then "timeout"15:21
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pupnik_aborted.  something is not responding here15:25
* V13 hypes15:25
V13could it be PR1.2 preparation? :-)15:25
* satmd steals the hype and noms it :p15:25
V13noms == ?15:26
V13oh :)15:26
haltdefoh rss reader, there's a thought .. is there one with both a desktop and n900 app that can sync content between both?15:26
V13you mean an rss reader ?15:26
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haltdefbe handy if I could mark something read on the desktop and not have to do the same on the n90015:28
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V13i suggest google's rss :-)15:31
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haltdefweb based?15:31
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haltdefmeh, that'd be fine on the n900 but an actual app for my desktop would be nice .. lets me know when there's new stuff etc15:32
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DrGrovGood day guys and gals15:36
DrGrovWho was the person I was talking about a server last night? I have a demented old brain... lol15:37
DrGrovV13: i have tested this to have multiple "desktops" with different apps, bookmarks and widgets and it sure does work on the N900 flawlessly15:38
DrGrovPR 1.2 preparation?15:39
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V13DrGhow: how did you test it ?15:39
V13drgrow: regarding the server, the problem is that you're using a client without history :-)15:40
DrGrovhaltdef: if you need a good rss reader which is an actual app I can look for the name of one I keep using on my linux computer15:40
DrGrovV13: test to keep several apps, bookmarks and widgets running at different multiple desktops you mean?15:40
haltdefgoogle reader looks quite nice actually15:40
DrGrovV13: i remember it was summel.de15:41
DrGrovhaltdef: i wouldn't touch anything close to google on a linux computer or anything else15:41
V13drgrow: (a) yes and (b) perhaps it was the user "summel" then :-)15:41
DrGrovi have a homophobic trauma stress of google :D15:41
haltdefyou have issues :P15:41
DrGrovsummel: hi there, how are you doing today? :) i thought to ask you a few things about the server.15:42
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DrGrovV13: thanks, it is summel :). so yes, i tested it by keeping for ex. Pidgin, Web browser, irssi on one desktop. The second desktop has Phone, Conversations, Advanced Call Log, my fiancee as a favorite and Contacts. The third desktop actually has File Manager, Program Control Panel, X Terminal and 2 other shortcuts. I tested also to keep the Foreca Weather widget on one of them and a few bookmarks as well. So it seems I can keep 3 nice fully f15:45
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V13i didn't mean that.15:45
DrGrovhaltdef: ah, yes I have issues thank you sir :P one sec and i will check the name of the rss reader.15:45
V13i meant, change all 4 desktops15:45
DrGrovV13: then WTF did you mean? :D15:45
DrGrovV13: change in what way exactly?15:46
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V13imaging a different set of widgets15:46
V13well.. that's what i'm working on15:46
V13save and restore all applets bookmarks and shortcuts.15:46
DrGrovV13: ok. so different set of widgets. we are talking about more complex+15:46
haltdefoh my current reader can sync with google reader15:46
V13yes.. so that it is possible to have something like "activities" for kde15:46
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V13a "work" activity, a "empty" activity, etc...15:47
DrGrovV13: you mean sort of running *two* different type of "desktops" without needing to switch? Like having KDE running and then afterwards Fluxbox?'15:47
V13first of all i'm talking about n900 not the pc15:47
DrGrovV13: yeah I know. that was just an example.15:47
V13second,.. you have 4 desktops there. right ?15:47
DrGrovV13: yeah i have 4 desktops, i just use 3 though.15:47
V13with widgets, shortcuts and bookmarks on them15:47
V13imagine then running "switch work"15:48
V13and all of them disappear... and put other widgets and shortcuts there.15:48
V13then run "switch home"15:48
V13and return to the old one15:48
WizzupWhat's a good resolution to scale my movies to if I want to watch them on the maemo?15:48
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V13then "switch work" and switch to the new one..15:48
V13wizzup: 800x480 is the resolution of n90015:48
DrGrovah yes, sort of a multitasking feature but with desktops involved, correct?15:48
WizzupV13: ok, thx15:49
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DrGrovWizzup: what type of movies are you talking about+15:49
V13not exactly multitaksing. it's save and restore... other widgets will not keep running15:49
Wizzupeh,monty python, that sort of stuff15:49
DrGrovWizzup: DVD rips around 700 - 1,4 GB?15:49
Wizzupwell anything really - normal dvd rips don't play too well15:49
DrGrovV13: ok, on a computer like it restarts the Linux X system?15:49
V13no restart needed.15:49
V13everything disappears and other things appear.15:49
DrGrovV13: yeah, no restart needed but sort of doing on a linux based pc ctrl+alt+backspace15:50
V13i'm talking about desktop not the apps that are running15:50
V13no.. the running apps will not be affected.15:50
valdynexchange settings files, kill hildon-desktop15:50
V13do you know kde's activities ?15:50
valdynthat should kind of work15:50
DrGrovyeah i know what you mean. i am just trying to imagine it out the perspective of a pc and then the n90015:50
V13valdyn: it's not that simple... and it doesn't need restart of hildon-desktop15:50
DrGrovWTF is the hildon-desktop? :D it is a new desktop for the N900 i can get from the repos?15:50
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valdynV13: oh it exists already?15:51
valdynDrGrov: thats the program that creates the desktop with the widgets and shortcuts on it afaik15:51
DrGrovWizzup: it sure plays thoug a normal dvdrip. you are familiar with Linux and working from a terminal?15:51
V13valdyn? which thing ? the script i'm writting ?15:51
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valdynV13: i see15:51
DrGrovvaldyn: ok, just thought it would be something from the repos that switches the looks & feel to the default desktops.15:51
DrGrovvaldyn: what is that desktop thingie in the repos that "sort of" affect the default desktop?15:52
WizzupDrGrov: Aye, I am15:52
Wizzupjust not too familiar with movie encoding and such15:53
valdynWizzup: did you read the wiki stuff about it?15:53
DrGrovWizzup: ok, i am thinking now whether mplayer from a command-line is a better choice than the default movie player shipped with the n90015:54
* Wizzup did not search for one... :-( 15:54
WizzupI have mplayer installed at the phone15:54
Wizzupworks ok with -framedrop with some movies15:54
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DrGrovWizzup: ok, what size of movies are you talking about and what resolution approximately? how many pixels?15:54
Wizzupvaldyn: Ah, looks good15:55
ShadowJKMplayer plays more formats, but the built-in player has access to the dsp codecs which will make it faster for xvid/mpeg4 and h264 baseline15:55
WizzupDrGrov: Ehm, I did not have specific ones in mind. Was wondering really15:55
WizzupShadowJK: I see, so rather h264 than theora15:55
valdynWizzup: using the proper codecs it should play anything <= native resolution perfectly15:55
DrGrovShadowJK: true, i had a bit of issues with the n900 promotional video when playing it through mplayer with the kmplayer frontend15:55
DrGrovi am testing a episode of House now soon. it was around 620 something times 352 pixels15:56
Wizzupvaldyn: Alright, thanks a lot guys15:56
ShadowJKIf you're encoding for n900, h264 baseline at up to 800x480 is fine for nuilt-in player15:56
DrGrovWizzup: you are welcome.15:56
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DrGrovWizzup: if you are back here some time later i can give a bit of feedback how it works. i am thinking about testing the same thing .15:57
Wizzupbut it isn't more hardware accelerated than theora I presume?15:57
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ShadowJKh264 main and h264 high profile don't play with built-in player, and with MPlayer the limit is somewhere below 640x480... maybe at 512x384, not sure15:57
valdynWizzup: i dont think theora is accelerated at all15:58
ShadowJKtheora is software only15:58
Wizzupbut is h264?15:58
WizzupI see..15:58
Wizzupok,h264 it is then15:58
V13ShadowJK: I've tested mplayer and it works when using -vo x11 even for higher resolutions... it seems to be a problem of the xv15:58
WizzupLet's hope google throws away the patents ;-)15:58
valdynWizzup: baseline is, h264 has different "levels", only baseline is accelerated15:58
V13ShadowJK: It seems that xv has rescaling problem.15:58
DrGrovthe WiFi is a battery drainer like nothing I've seen15:59
V13ShadowJK: It also works with software rescaling but it is toooooo slooooooooooow15:59
ShadowJKv13: you mean higher res than 800x480?15:59
DrGrovdownloaded approximately 350 MB today with the maximum 10 Mbit speed the N900 can handle and damn it was darining my battery15:59
valdynDrGrov: 3g would be worse15:59
DrGrovvaldyn: yeah, i can imagine that LOL15:59
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DrGrovvaldyn: it was a mere test to see whether it is possible. it was but not with around 30-40% battery left.16:00
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DrGrovvaldyn: the maximum I will keep getting with 3G or WiFi is around maybe 5-50 MB and occasionally 200 MB maximums.16:01
ShadowJKMy N900 does more than 10MBit on wlan :)16:01
DrGrovShadowJK: it does? it should do that for me as well. i didn't check with any data thingie but I have a downstream of around 20000 kB /s. So it jumps between 2-2,2 MB / sec16:01
valdynDrGrov: that is 54mbit16:02
DrGrovvaldyn: oh it is ? then no problems :)16:02
DrGrovis it the 3G that is limited to 10 Mbit?16:02
valdynDrGrov: theres just a huge overhead at that bitrate so you dont get near actual 54mbit16:02
ShadowJKThe hsdpa modem supports up to 10MBit/s16:02
ShadowJKyeah 54Mbit wlan is something like 27Mbit/s of actual payload data :)16:03
DrGrovvaldyn: yeah, true. it is my router that has that approximately 2 MB / sec downstream. so i get that 2-2,2 MB on a pc as well16:03
DrGrovbut I can't complain lol. if i get 2-2,2 MB / sec on the N900 on my home WiFi it is ok16:04
V13perhaps' you're having noise from other APs....16:04
V13try wifieye :-)16:04
DrGrovV13: i used the wifieye actually16:05
DrGrovit told my connection strength was around 60% last night but today i didn't check. the first test I did it was at 80% two nights ago.16:05
V13well.. that percentage is somehow bullshit...16:06
DrGrovyeah it is .16:06
V13it's as good as the chip says...16:06
V1380& with 70% may have big difference or not at all16:06
DrGrovi just opened my router on the webbrowser and it is that 2 MB / sec downstream16:06
V13it all depends on the hardware...16:06
V13well.. then 60% is good measurement16:06
DrGrovyeah, it is bullshit16:07
DrGrovi got same speeds all the time even with 60% so 60% is the measuring stick then it seems.16:07
DrGrovbelow 60% makes it lag like shit16:07
V13well.. i'm working with 40% at some points and it works well..16:07
V13i've also found that keeping the device reduces the signal strength (!)16:07
V13not always, but some times..16:08
DrGrovit dropped two nights ago when i used wifieye to 40-45% and then back to 60% and even 80-85%16:08
DrGrovkeeping the device in the hand you mean?16:08
V13it should not have that variations, unless there is noise.16:08
DrGrovi just don't trust the percentage that wifieye tells me16:08
V13keep it with your hand the way to have the hand between the device and the AP.16:08
DrGrovi trust what my router settings in real time tell me through the webbrowser16:08
DrGrovyeah, i keep like that .16:09
V13drgrov it's the percentage that kernel reports. it can't be any more accurate than this16:09
DrGrovV13: you sure?16:09
DrGrovok, i trust you :)16:09
V13but it is still as good as the kernel is..16:09
DrGrovbe back later, gotta watch Juventus - Siena from Serie A football ;)16:09
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DrGrovttyl V13 :)16:09
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V13and i've heard that wifi drivers report quality in a kind of mysterious, stochastic way.16:10
V13that's not the same among all drivers.16:10
V13i'd a case where an asus tablet reported 40% signal max... but it worked like 100%16:10
V13while at the same time n800 reported 4/516:11
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thopiekarhi. I want to install the maemo5 sdk but got problems with the internet connection, so after the installer unpacked the rootstrap I manually executed apt-get update.. and it worked.. after that I wanted to install the metapackage but get this:
thopiekarany solutions?16:50
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thopiekarinstalling the maemo4 sdk does not work, too..16:58
V13thopiekar: prepend "fakeroot"16:58
V13"fakeroot apt-get install ..."16:59
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thopiekarV13: for which problem?16:59
thopiekarwith maemo5 sdk?17:00
V13for networking i'm too using a hack...17:00
thopiekarbut why do I have to use fakeroot?17:00
V13echo "nameserver" > /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf as root from the SDK (not in scratchbox)17:01
V13because security checks fail.17:01
thopiekarthe fakeroot tip works, thanks V1317:01
V13because you're not root17:01
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thopiekarbash: command not found17:01
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V13dunno about that...17:02
V13should work within the scratchbox (/scratchbox/login)17:02
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thopiekarthing is that I have installed the metapackage, that is also installed via install script but the executable is not available..17:03
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V13is osso-af-sb-startup installed?17:04
thopiekarosso-af-sb-startup: Depends: hildon-initscripts but it is not going to be installed17:05
thopiekarthe reason is that: theme-config has no installation candidate17:06
thopiekardo I have missing apt repositories?17:06
V13i suggest you give sdk another try17:06
V13repositories are down for me... perhaps it's for you too17:06
thopiekarthe install script?17:06
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thopiekarV13: yes that could be the reason why it doesn'T work..17:07
thopiekarwhat about the maemo4 sdk installation?17:07
V13don't know17:07
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thopiekarthanks anyway.17:08
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* thopiekar hopes that it will be fixed soon because he want to prepare some new plugins for canola..17:08
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thopiekarbut you can also download the plugins from here:
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thopiekarand as you can see Canola2 is available for Ubuntu Lucid, which is atm alpha, but working well for me..17:11
thopiekarjust execute and test it on your Ubuntu (Karmic or Lucid ) by: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canola/ppa17:12
thopiekarj #ubuntu-tweak17:12
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thopiekarsry forgot the / :P17:13
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mortal_is it possible to get the gps location data from a nokia e90 to the n800?17:16
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threshhmmm, terminus font for maemo, anyone?17:27
GAN900Damn daylight savings.17:27
threshmmh, and where do i get xrdb?17:29
threshor how do i change fonts / colours / tweak Xterm17:29
arachnist<eliza> Znalazłam męża przez internet...17:30
arachnistnot here17:30
threshwell alrite, i can change colors and fonts from xterm itself but still17:30
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zerojayAnyone else having the problem with AIM being completely unconnectable?17:31
zerojayEven when enabled, doesn't show up on the list of enabled protocols?17:32
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embeddedHi all17:39
embeddedWho knows how to debug remotely (on the target) a console application for N900 with Eclipse?17:40
Shapeshiftereww eclipse17:41
embeddedno help17:42
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cehtehit either has some plugin for that or you are doomed :P17:43
aquatixanyone knows how fast ships a screen protector to europe?17:43
embeddedcehteh: do you know some of those?17:44
cehtehnope i dont use it17:44
embeddedaquatix: about 7-10 days17:44
aquatixembedded: k, thanks17:45
threshi wonder why ~user/.fonts is root-owned17:45
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embeddedaquatix: u are welcome!17:45
cehtehthresh: there are some things just buggy set up17:46
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threshit isnt nokia if it isnt screwed up somewhere17:47
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javispedro/home/user/.fon*: No such file or directory ?17:48
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threshok, maybe it was me who screwed it up somehow17:49
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cehtehyeah not all bugs are by nokia .. maybe some 3rd party package created that? :)17:49
V13anyone here with SDK ?17:49
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cehtehyou mean having it isntalled?17:50
V13can you please check if it is possible to add contact shortcuts to the desktop of the sdk ?17:50
V13either it doesn't work or I screwed something.17:50
cehtehi dont have it running, just installed :P17:50
cehtehwell and some things doesnt work17:50
V13and not going to start it eh? :)17:50
cehtehits meant to cross compile, not to start apps there17:51
threshi wonder if simple copying of ter-*.pcf.gz to ~/.fonts and fc-cache will suffice17:51
cehtehnope i am sitting at a conference and being lazy now :P17:51
cehtehits highly likely that some things dont work on the sdk17:51
cehtehespecially the armel target doesnt do much17:52
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threshhumm fc-cache added fonts actually17:53
threshbut restarting terminal didnt help17:53
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embeddedV13: are u there?17:58
embeddedV13: I have just checked that17:58
V13and ?17:58
embeddedV13: the first time I selected the top menu, the button "Add Contact" was present17:59
V13did you use it ?18:00
embeddedV13: but I hadn't any contact, so after created just one of it and pressed again on the top menu, that button disappeared18:00
V13are you sure ?18:01
V13it seems to disapear when there are not any other contacts to add18:01
V13for me it acts like adding the contact but doesn't show anything18:01
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Khertan <--- need your vote to be available in extras18:02
KhertanHi all !18:02
wazdKhertan: heya pal :)18:03
Khertanpal ?18:03
mortal_thopiekar: thanks18:03
Khertanhi wazd18:03
V13embedded: thanks... it seems to be a problem of the sdk18:03
wazdKhertan: comrade :D18:03
embeddedV13: yeah, It should be a SDK bug18:03
embeddedV13: have you ever done a cross platform  debug?18:04
embeddedV13: for example..used Eclipse to debug a N900 app on the target?18:04
KhertanNot bad at all this small app gTranslate18:05
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KhertanDoes the garnet emulator is working on n900 ?18:05
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Khertanoh good ... i ll be able to verify kMeteo is still working18:06
Khertanjacispedro : didn t see maemo 5 in the list18:08
V13embedded: no.. i'm just using the sdk...18:08
Khertanshould i got the os 2008 edition ?18:08
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javispedroKhertan: it's not exactly "official"... grab the package from os2008, optify it (use SDK, maemo-optify-deb), and install in n90018:08
V13embedded: even though i'm not writting in c/c++ for maemo, I'd prefer vi + gdb :)18:09
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Khertanjavispedro:ok thx18:09
threshduh, now n900 goes all the way in a boot process, nokia logo shows up, hands etc. and then it reboots.18:10
threshsuppose i should re-flash it?18:10
V13reflash is the easiest way to fix this.18:10
V13most probably18:10
threshany other? :)18:10
threshi believe i did something nasty in /home/user/.profile18:10
V13perhaps r&d mode, but you will need to find out the problem yourself.18:10
GAN900zerojay, not that, although automatic connection migration results in network errors.18:11
threshso it's basically connecting the device and hitting --enable-rd-mode on flasher?18:11
threshmmmh i don't think i have usb cable at home :(18:12
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KhertanMaemo is beginning to look like iPhone OS ... creating application that didn t already exist is more and more difficult :)18:14
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threshis there 'I'm Rich' app on maemo?18:15
LuciusMareHi, the adflashblock.css also blocks flash from loading at all? I mean, does it save the bandwith and cpu usage?18:15
Khertannope but there is i am free18:15
JaffaAf'noon, all18:16
V13it freaking worked!18:17
javispedrohi Jaffa18:17
* V13 rocked18:17
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V13ladies and gentlement... I present you an app to save and restore desktops and to allow for multiple desktop-views a'la KDE's activities.18:18
V13in fact, it's a simple script :)18:18
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V13anyone wanna test? I've tested on N900 and it works as promised.18:19
embeddedHi Jaffa18:20
summelV13: in what way is it different from how it currently works?18:20
V13no relation18:21
V13it doesn't do that atm18:21
V13how can you save the desktop ?18:21
V13and change it ?18:21
ShapeshifterV13: what do you mean by desktop18:21
V13all 4 views18:21
Shapeshifterah so you mean it saves the positions of all widgets18:21
Shapeshifterand you can have several profiles so to speak18:21
V13and everything else18:21
V13infinite profiles i'd say..18:22
Shapeshifteryeah not bad.18:22
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* GAN900 doesn't know why they would advertise this car as a 2+2.18:22
ShapeshifterNot for me as I have heaps of free room on my desktops, but why not18:22
* V13 is out of space on desktop18:22
embeddedV13: now it needs only of a GUI :)18:23
V13oh.. and looking how it is without widgets.. well.. it's fast18:23
V13embedded: I won't create one .. not right now at least..18:23
V13anyone can create it.. it will just need to call the scritp18:23
V13"./change empty", "./change orig", "./change work", etc...18:23
DragnslcrWhere does the media player store its user-created playlists?18:25
summelV13: would it be possible to add a new user to the linux installation and have a profile for each user? :D18:25
V13i don't think so18:25
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V13i don't believe there is a way to select user18:26
javispedroDragnslcr: (wild guess) $HOME/.mafw-playlists/18:26
V13and /home/user may be hardcoded to some apps18:26
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V13(even though sdk does a good job in preventing this by using /home/maemo instead)18:26
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kamuiV13, sounds cool18:27
V13wanna test?18:27
kamuiactually yes18:28
kamuieven though I have 2 blank desktops :)18:28
kamuiit would solve my other problem18:28
V13one mom18:28
kamuiof damn icons dissapearing from a random crash18:28
kamuioakly doakly18:28
V13ok.. get this:
V13it's a shell script18:29
threshah screw it, no usb cable so i'm doomed18:29
V13you'll need to have "bash" installed18:29
kamuigot ya18:29
V13make sure you have bash installed18:29
V13next, create directory under the home directory. you'll run the script as user, not as root.18:30
V13put change in there18:30
Dragnslcrjavispedro- thanks, dunno how I missed that. Wish I could get to it through USB storage mode, but that's easy to work around18:30
V13edit it and change the 3rd line to point to it... for example, if you put change in /home/user/test, set D0="/home/user/test"18:30
V13after that, you can run "change new"18:31
V13it will store the current desktop using the name "1" and create an empty one that will be named "new"18:31
V13you can go back by running "./change 1"18:32
V13and ./change new18:32
V13you can have as many profiles as you want18:32
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V13it doesn't save/restore backgrounds (not yet :-)18:32
V13so background persist18:32
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V13tell me if it works :)18:34
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SpeedEvilHas anyone got gcc up and running and working in the debian chroot? I'm having problems getting it setup. Especially installing the standard C headers.18:34
javispedroit works here -- selfmade chroot18:35
V13goody :)18:36
javispedrowasn't talking about your app V13, sorry ;P18:36
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pupnik_i'd host the ar.gz SpeedEvil18:37
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summelV13: hmm but it would be neat if you could make the n900 ask for a login on startup and then have multiple users :D18:39
V13i can't :)18:39
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* noobmonk3y grumbles18:40
pupnik_Ipad vs 7-year old HP tablet:
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javispedrodoesn't talk about battery life18:43
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pupnik_still 7 years18:44
V13javispedro: or software...18:45
V13javispedro: or weight, resolution, screen type, etc...18:45
Wolfieor the use cases?18:45
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Triztor the price18:45
* Stskeeps yawns18:46
javispedrowell, if it were to talk about software, I'm pretty sure the balance would tip even more towards the hp18:46
* haltdef pets Stskeeps18:46
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* Stskeeps is happy after he wrote a small pygtk thing for remote control of his Boxee18:48
Stskeepsfor his n800 with bad screen18:48
javispedrowhy not a spooky photo frame?18:49
haltdefso what exactly have you been up to? helping develop maemo itself or a custom thing for tablets that come with maemo?18:50
Stskeepsme? :P18:50
* Stskeeps ponders idly how to explain what he does18:50
haltdefnever understood what it was you quit unreal for18:50
Stskeeps is what i have done recently18:50
StskeepsMer (100% open source maemo) and Deblet (debian on internet tablets) was the original reason18:51
Stskeepsnow i do the above thing18:51
Stskeeps(whatever that means in the long term with the meego stuff)18:52
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pupnik_what was "unreal"?18:53
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Stskeeps :P18:54
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pupnik_i was thinking "future crew :)18:55
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* noobmonk3y wishes that QT designer worked well with python :D19:04
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* javispedro ponders council work19:16
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mortal_anyone got any info on the n800 audio hiss, could I for example construct a low pass filter to filter it out19:18
mortal_and what kind of headphones are the least affected by it19:19
* noobmonk3y just ponders19:19
VDVsxjavispedro, there's no biscuits nor coffee available, but texrat promised coffee in the next term :D19:19
Stskeepsjavispedro: we need sane people there19:19
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Stskeepsjavispedro: and people to represent us as we need to be as organised and bigger in numbers than intel and nokia is with money :P19:20
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javispedroah, evil texrat :)19:21
noobmonk3ylol wannabe evil ;)19:21
VDVsxStskeeps, last part is hard to accomplish, bastards have a lot of money :D19:22
JaffaAnd shiny toys.19:24
JaffaEasy to be distracted by the ooooh. shiny.19:24
StskeepsVDVsx: agreed, but we should not be easy to ignore :)19:24
VDVsxthe council needs people that are sane and easy to work with, that was one of the biggest gaps in the current term (no offense to anyone:D)19:24
noobmonk3yyour on it arnt ya?19:25
JaffaThe most insaniest person of 'em all.19:25
javispedroyou're telling me someone in the current council is insane? :)19:25
JaffaWell, 5th most insane ;-)19:25
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noobmonk3ynot sure who i'm gonna vote for this term... kinda hoping more people step foreward19:25
Jaffajavispedro: He's telling us someone in the current council is *sane* ;-)19:25
Stskeepsnoobmonk3y: i'm mostly satisfied with the candidates so far19:26
JaffaIn fact, there must be 4 sane people.19:26
javispedroalways good to know!19:26
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind some more activits19:26
JaffaCos only one's rerunning ;-)19:26
noobmonk3ymostly is now wholey :D19:26
Stskeepsas in, doers, not moaners :P19:26
noobmonk3yomg i can't type19:26
VDVsx"easy to work with" is the more important part, we all are a bit insane, that can be forgiven :D19:26
noobmonk3yhmmm true.... dont know any of them well enough...19:26
* Jaffa wonders if we'd've started getting parties if Maemo had continued in its current guise for a few more years.19:27
Jaffanoobmonk3y: Who'd be your dream candidate? Nominate them.19:27
Jaffanoobmonk3y: Push them to run.19:27
StskeepsJaffa, are you running yet?19:27
* VDVsx creates the TMO party before someone else :D19:27
noobmonk3yhmmm, still deciding Jaffa19:27
JaffaStskeeps: Not... yet.19:27
noobmonk3yfrom a newbies point of view obvious Kathy, but she wont run :D19:27
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* javispedro is a member of the MOC, the conservative party. No offense to Qt guys.19:28
noobmonk3ylol jav19:28
HtheBanyone has a mirror for me? :)19:28
javispedrothere's an extras mirror in this channels' topic19:29
summelmirror of?19:29
HtheBis down?19:29
HtheBI cant enter that website19:29
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noobmonk3ytmo is verrrrrrry quiet this wkend19:29
HtheBfor the files that I need to flash my N900 :)19:29
summelanybody got quasselclient running on n900?19:29
noobmonk3ywhats quasselclient?19:29
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summelthe best irc client in the world19:29
HtheBsummel mirror of the Flasher 3.519:29
HtheBand the latest firmware (EUR)19:30
* luke-jr isn't so sure about *best*...19:30
DocScrutinizerjoin the Evil Phome Hardware Hackers Party *now* ;-P19:30
Shapeshiftersummel: I know this is a stupid answer, but why not irssi? ^^19:30
VDVsxluke-jr, is Qt, so ?19:30
Shapeshifterwhy not screen and irssi to be more accurate19:30
summelluke-jr: it's written with qt4 and has a core/client architecture :D19:30
HtheB:( :( :(19:31
summelShapeshifter: because i want a gui!19:31
luke-jrVDVsx: I like Konversation enough to forego the core/client design19:31
luke-jrShapeshifter: irssi = GTK = fail19:31
VDVsxah thats also Qt, fair enough ;)19:31
summelirssi != gtk19:31
summelirsi = ncurses19:31
luke-jrglib = GTK Core19:31
Shapeshifterluke-jr: irssi = GTK?19:31
luke-jrirssi = GTK + ncurses19:31
luke-jrldd $(which irssi) # :)19:32
summelirssi has no real gui19:32
fluxluke-jr, you mean libglib, not gtk?19:32
luke-jrsummel: it doesn't use GTK for gui19:32
luke-jrflux: libglib = GTK Core19:32
valdynglib is like libc619:32
Stskeepsluke-jr: two seperate packages19:33
Shapeshifterlibglib is like the best part of gtk19:33
luke-jrvaldyn: libc is part of the C standard19:33
luke-jrStskeeps: so are QtCore and QtGui19:33
Shapeshiftermaybe even the only good one19:33
luke-jrShapeshifter: crappy enough to slow Qt down19:33
fluxluke-jr, and it's called glib, not gtk :)19:33
valdynluke-jr: yes, but thats all the difference19:33
massoudHi there, I am trying to install iptables on my n900 but maemo complains : "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?"19:33
ShadowJKmassoud: echo 64 > /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max19:33
luke-jrflux: it's part of the GTK mess19:34
Shapeshifterluke-jr: well then weechat19:34
luke-jrQuassel works fine19:34
fluxluke-jr, in your terms there would be no different to call the current irssi "gtk-based" and another irssi with a GTK-based ui "gtk-based" as well?19:34
javispedroluke-jr: it's what MAKES the GTK mess, but not part of it :)19:34
luke-jrflux: no difference to me19:35
luke-jrjavispedro: glib+gtk-gui+GNOME = GTK mess stack :P19:35
luke-jras compared to QtCore+QtGui+KDE19:35
javispedroyou're cheating here19:35
javispedrothere's no "gtk-gui"19:35
fluxluke-jr, then I think you will not be able to communicate with other people very well about the matter, because I do believe people at large differentiate the two :)19:35
summeloh btw... anybody got kde 4 running on n900? :D19:36
luke-jrsummel: I will in a few days if you send me one19:36
luke-jrI have KDE 4.3 running on my N810 currently19:36
summel:D i dont even got one for myself yet :(19:36
luke-jrwhy not get something else then? :p19:36
* HtheB feels ignored19:36
summelwhat else?19:37
* luke-jr ignores HtheB19:37
DocScrutinizersummel: I'd wish kde4 would run flawlessly on x86 at least19:37
luke-jrsummel: I'm hoping Nexus Two is decent.19:37
HtheBthe pain! :(19:37
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: WFM, mostly19:37
summelDocScrutinizer: it does  :)19:37
summelluke-jr: ewww android19:37
luke-jrsummel: LG Apollo sounds nice if we can port Linux to it19:37
luke-jrsummel: shipped software sucks; get over it19:37
summeln900 is perfect :)19:37
luke-jrN900 is far from perfect19:37
summelonly so expensive ;_;19:37
massoudShadowJK: you rocks thanks19:37
luke-jrat least something shipping Windows has a good chance of being properly supported someday <.<19:38
massoudShadowJK: why this issue regarding pts ?19:38
summelyes, the software is not 100% perfect but its the best i have seen so far :)19:38
HtheBsummel, then help me xD19:38
ShadowJKmassoud, it's set to something stupidly low19:38
summelHtheB: with what?19:38
luke-jrsummel: no matter what device I end up with, I'll probably put Gentoo on it19:38
HtheBwell.. where can I download Flasher 3.5 :S19:38
infoboti heard flashing is
summelewww gentoo19:39
javispedroVDVsx: akamai is having problems, seems.19:39
HtheBVDVsx, is down19:39
DocScrutinizersummel: well, kinda like kde1.2 did19:39
summeli dont know19:39
summeli never flashed :P19:39
summelDocScrutinizer: hmm? what distribution?19:39
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HtheBcant download the files VDVsx :(19:39
DocScrutinizerwtf has disro to deal with it?19:39
VDVsxHtheB, so you have to wait a bit, afaik there's no mirrors apart from akamai19:39
summelbecause imho 99% of the distros that ship kde 4 fucked it up and patched it so much it is broken19:40
VDVsxgot a stupid error message here o_019:40
* VDVsx is off for football :D19:41
summeli would love a 10" n900 :D19:41
summelwithout hardware keyboard19:41
luke-jrsummel: TouchBook?19:41
summelwhats a touchbook?19:42
summeleww ipad19:42
luke-jrsummel: 2 year old iPad, but cheaper and runs normal OS19:42
summelhow can you compare the n900 with an ipad?19:42
summelluke-jr: pics? :D19:42
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summeland hardware speccs19:42
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summeli dont like the "clip on" keyboard19:43
luke-jr1024x800 8.9" display, OMAP3, 512 MB RAM19:43
luke-jrso don't buy it19:43
summeland it is arm :(19:43
luke-jryou'd prefer MIPS?19:43
summeli want an i686 device19:43
luke-jrN900 is ARM19:43
luke-jrx86 sucks19:43
summeli know19:43
summelbut arch only runs on i686 or x86_6419:43
luke-jrthen Arch sucks19:43
summelarch is the best distro imho19:44
Dassu:( I wish I could get wine to run on n90019:44
summelbecause kde 4 just works like it should <319:44
luke-jrsummel: KDE 4 works fine on Gentoo19:44
Dassusummel: free spotify.19:44
Shapeshifterluke-jr: are you saying you're running KDE 4 on gentoo on ARM?19:44
summelluke-jr: how much is the touchbook?19:44
luke-jrShapeshifter: yes19:44
summellibben: i dont like gentoo :P19:45
Shapeshifterluke-jr: heh19:45
summelDassu: i dont like spotify19:45
luke-jrShapeshifter: not that architecture makes a difference19:45
alturiakthere never is a "best distro", there just is a "best distro for purpose x" if at all - and for non x86-purposes, arch isn't best. ;-)19:45
luke-jrsummel: $300 w/o kb19:45
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luke-jr$400 w/ kb19:45
Dassusummel: ^__^ I love but then again i like to listen all kinds of  music and I'm not a fan of any band.19:45
summeli hope meego will run nice on it :D19:45
Shapeshifterluke-jr: well x86 are pretty fast these days.19:45
Dassusummel: it is a good way for me to find new music without wasting HDD space19:45
luke-jrShapeshifter: fast at discharging batteries, yes, I agree19:45
summelDassu: spotify is not availeable in my country so i dont like them :D19:45
Dassusummel: it is freaking awsome :-)! UI is wonderful and you can find almost anyting from the db19:46
Shapeshifteruhm, is the autobuilder broken or something?19:46
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summelluke-jr: nice :)19:47
* Dassu might get a premium just for despotify19:47
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summelDassu: i used pandora for that and last fm19:47
summelnow i use a shady russian website xD19:47
Dassusummel: lastfm streaming doesn't work for me. I heard it works in germany but not too sure about that O_o...19:48
summelyes it does work in germany ^^19:49
Dassukk, :/ Wonder if I can use proxy to bypass the limitation...19:49
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Shapeshifteruhm I mean... there's nothing happening on extras-cauldron-builds since 13:08 EET. and I can't move my stuff to the autobuilder queue.19:50
Stskeepsreport it?19:51
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javispedroprobably has something to do with the akamai issue..19:51
massoudOn the n900 : i am trying to kill wlancond but there is a watchdog that i don t find that restart the daemon and dsmetool is not working19:51
javispedrodid you try "stop wlancond"?19:52
javispedroif anyone, dbus might be respawning it19:52
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javispedro(indirectly because of icd, but it should only do that at every scan request...)19:53
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massoudjavispedro: like "/etc/init.d/wlanconf stop" ? does not work19:57
Stskeepsreading 395 thanks on :>19:57
* Stskeeps is such a karma whore19:57
javispedroboard record?19:57
Stskeepsnot sure, i hope not19:57
massoudand "dsmetool stop wlancond" neither19:57
* javispedro notes that ironically he's not on the list19:58
Stskeepsi'd think some of qgil's announcements were higher19:58
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javispedro396 already =)19:58
luke-jr" The same way you could install Vista on your PC or XP or even Ubuntu or other crazy operating systems, this is possible on your N900 - you do not have to rely on your hardware vendor to provide a OS for your device."19:58
luke-jrStskeeps: since when?19:58
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luke-jrStskeeps: N900 doesn't depend on proprietary components anymore? BME?19:59
Stskeepsluke-jr: if you do my polish homework, i will discuss with you19:59
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DocScrutinizerhmm, with this bunch of experts, I'd guess I may ask for some buzzwords on how to decouple camerad-ui / omapcamd0 from the slider switch -- so I could have a different app started on camslide open20:00
Stskeepsi'd think it was a hildon-desktop thing maybe? or mce20:00
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luke-jrStskeeps: in case you didn't notice, you *don't* rely on vendors for drivers on any sane PC20:00
summelDocScrutinizer: isnt that possible with tweakr or that other app from extra-devel?20:00
Stskeepsluke-jr: uhm, yes you do20:00
Stskeepsluke-jr: nvidia.. :P20:01
luke-jrthe good ones provide code to base them on, but inevitably it's part of the OS20:01
DocScrutinizersummel: tweakr: no20:01
Stskeepswlan firmware..20:01
luke-jrnVidia blobs are illegal on Linux, not a valid example20:01
luke-jrfirmware != drivers20:01
* Stskeeps sighs20:01
* Stskeeps notes luke-jr and himself does not share a common world view and is not able to reach any conclusions, ever20:01
ShadowJKluke-jr, btw wanna write something that reads from an i2c device?20:01
Jaffaluke-jr: errr, ATI and NVidia both provide drivers which aren't included in Windows20:02
Stskeepsluke-jr: on a related sidenote, where's those licensing change requests?20:02
luke-jrJaffa: I don't consider Windows to be a sane OS20:02
luke-jrStskeeps: I did them.20:02
DocScrutinizererr that's omap3camd and camera-ui, of course20:02
luke-jrStskeeps: BME and gpsdriver20:02
Stskeepsluke-jr: you did? with the new forms?20:02
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Stskeepshrm, is FUBAR atm?20:03
summelJaffa: they are included in windows 720:03
summelwell not included but availeable with windows update20:03
Stskeepsluke-jr: could you give me bug #'s?20:04
Jaffasummel: and also not written by Microsoft20:04
luke-jrStskeeps: -.- use search20:04
WindroseStskeeps: appears alive.20:05
Stskeepsluke-jr: gah, thanks - i'll process it first thing in the morning20:05
summelJaffa: yes and thats a good thing ^^20:05
Stskeepsluke-jr: -1 for not following guidelines at first :P20:06
Stskeepsluke-jr: please make a form for 931320:06
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javispedroform #9313 "request for comments for request for evaluating the request for a request for comments for the evaluation of the request of the licensing changing of user space battery charging related components"20:07
javispedroah no, it's a bugreport no :P20:08
javispedrobug #931320:08
povbotBug open gpsdriver20:08
javispedropovbot: ping?20:08
povbotjavispedro: Error: "ping?" is not a valid command.20:08
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: LOL20:08
b-man17Stskeeps: i don't think Luke-Jr shares a common world view with _anyone_ ;P20:09
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b-man17i just ported a perogram used to recover deleted files on an ext3/ext4 filesystem: - check it out! :D20:09
luke-jrb-man17: fail20:09
luke-jrand nice20:09
DocScrutinizerpovbot dead since some days now20:09
povbotDocScrutinizer: Error: "dead" is not a valid command.20:09
b-man17luke-jr: ty :)20:09
Stskeepsluke-jr: and the forms isn't to make your life more difficult, it's just to have coherent and to-the-point info :P20:10
summeloh what filesystem does the n900 use? ext2?20:10
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DocScrutinizerI'm quite sure crashanddie killed it by mode +q $~a20:10
Shapeshifterjavispedro: mh. do you think they know about it? Where should I report? Apparently, no one said anything on the maemo-developers ml...20:10
luke-jrsummel: jffs2 and vfat I think20:10
mikkovjavispedro: thanks for the tuxracer fix20:11
b-man17summel: ubifs20:11
summelmhm mhm20:11
javispedroShapeshifter: if it does not get back up when the repos do, I'd post it.20:11
b-man17summel: /opt is ext320:11
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Shapeshifterjavispedro: ahh they're down as well. I see.20:11
b-man17and /home/uservMyDocs is vfat20:12
DocScrutinizerGAN900: could you remove  [Bannliste: #maemo] $~a eingetragen von crashanddie am 2010-03-12 07:49 please?20:12
summelwhy ext3?20:12
summelwouldn't ext2 be better? :D20:12
b-man17i think ext3 gets allong better with ubifs20:12
Stskeepsext3 is better cos you really don't want a nuked ext2 fs cos of pulling a battery20:13
summelbut if it supports ext3 it should also support ext2?20:13
javispedromikkov: np! thanks for the initial port!20:13
summelbut journaling on flash memory? oO20:13
summelisn't that a bad thing?20:13
b-man17the ext3 partition is on eMMC20:14
b-man17not flash20:14
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summelhmm ok20:15
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luke-jrStskeeps: uh, ext3 is more likely to get broken by pulled battery than ext220:15
luke-jrat least ext2 should be fine after a fsck20:15
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luke-jrbut ext3 would just get screwed over20:16
summelzfs :D20:16
luke-jrunless N900 has an internal non-removable battery/capacitor to let the eMMC finish all pending writes20:16
DocScrutinizerJaffa: what's your notion about the +q $~a on this chan? Couldn't that be removed?20:16
ShadowJKthey're both kinda doomed on flash I'd think20:16
b-man17i'm sure theay'd have to by design20:17
ShadowJKsince you don't just a 512 byte sector but you lose a 256k block..20:17
luke-jrShadowJK: ext2 should recover from fsck tho20:17
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luke-jroh, true20:17
luke-jrwait no20:17
luke-jrdoesn't the replacement block get written before the original is wiped?20:17
luke-jron eMMC20:18
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javispedrowell, that's why the system files are on the onenand :)20:18
luke-jrif not, you *could* make ext2 with 256k blocks and align it...20:18
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ShadowJKnot sure why ext3 would be worse than ext2 though20:19
luke-jrShadowJK: because ext3 assumes in-order writing20:19
luke-jrwhereas eMMC may very well do it out-of-order20:19
ShadowJKI'd think ext2 has the same assumption..20:19
JaffaDocScrutinizer: The what?20:19
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luke-jrext2 doesn't quite assume much there, I think20:19
DocScrutinizerand me not sure why oneNAND would be any better tha SD/MMC20:19
DocScrutinizerJaffa: /mode #maemo q20:20
luke-jralso ext2's fsck actually checks the contents, not merely a journal20:20
StskeepsJaffa: it makes everyone without a registered nick unable to talk20:20
ShadowJKMaybe we should set the do-real-fsck-everytime flag :)20:20
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summeli would assume that a non-journaling fs dos not check any journal :P20:20
DocScrutinizerJaffa: quiets all non registered users, including povbot20:20
embeddedDoes someone use EsBox for Maemo developments?20:21
luke-jrShadowJK: in that case, ext3 just increases wear needlessly :)20:21
javispedroDocScrutinizer: cause the onenand filesystem at least knows about those issues... and is a log based fs.20:21
ShadowJKwear is overrated20:21
DocScrutinizerJaffa: I really miss to see why we would need that permanently20:21
ShadowJKI've had nilfs2 abusing SD cards and USB memory sticks for a month now and nothing has broken :D20:21
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: also, direct NAND allows the CPU to control write order I think20:22
luke-jrShadowJK: why waste the wear+write time when it has no gains?20:22
ShadowJKdirect nand makes it less of a black box. emmc has no write barriers or anything :-)20:22
slonopotamusembedded, yep20:22
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: how's the n900?20:22
Stskeeps(and the kiddo)20:22
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: well, even if all that's correct, I don't see how it will help a lot on the issue20:22
luke-jrStskeeps: (mine is wanting to go to bed I think, and the next one is due Oct 6 :p)20:23
slonopotamusStskeeps, they said it's fixed on friday. going to take it tomorrow.20:23
ShadowJKluke-jr, you know, tomtom actually did repetitive powerloss tests and ended up with ext3 too :P20:23
embeddedslonopotamus: do you if is possible to debug remotely a console app developed with EsBox ?20:24
luke-jrShadowJK: maybe the fsck speed was worth the risk, or maybe they added a battery for writes20:24
slonopotamusembedded, remotely? having app runninglyon device?20:24
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-12 19:13:20] <kkito> do you know why i am not able to chat in #maemo?20:24
DocScrutinizer[2010-03-12 19:13:35] <kkito> * #maemo :Cannot send to channel20:24
DocScrutinizerpovbot: ping20:24
embeddedslonopotamus: yes, precisely20:24
ShadowJKluke-jr, also "user unplugs SD card in middle of write"20:25
luke-jrShadowJK: hehehe20:25
luke-jrI think that falls under "that's not supported"20:25
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b-man17Luke-Jr there is a tiny battery on the N900's logic board - you think it's used for that?20:25
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: definitely there's no battery to buffer writes on N90020:25
luke-jrb-man17: possible20:26
ShadowJKb-man17, I think there's one for keeping the clock alive20:26
Stskeepsif the back cover is taken off, sd card is unmounted20:26
slonopotamusembedded, haven't tried (don't have device now), though afair such option is present in esbox20:26
embeddedslonopotamus: I'm trying to do that with a SSH session but the app needs to run in osso-xterm. how can I do that?20:26
ShadowJKStskeeps, I meant tomtom did repetitive powerloss/suddeneject tests on different fs combinations20:26
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: and I doubt there's any on any other mobile device20:26
luke-jrwhy does N900 need to keep a clock running? ;)20:26
ShadowJKtheir devices have no door infront of the card20:26
ShadowJKluke-jr, agps stops working if it has the wrong time ;-)20:27
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luke-jrShadowJK: GPS signal contains time...20:27
slonopotamusembedded, no clue, sorry20:27
ShadowJKneeds to find satellite first to get time :)20:27
embeddedHey guys, nobody can help me with this issue?20:28
b-man17ShadowJK: even the N770 had a battery xD20:29
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Stskeepsembedded: maemo-developers@ mabe20:29
luke-jrShadowJK: meh! :P20:30
luke-jrShadowJK: boot takes a few seconds, long enough to find one20:30
embeddedStskeeps: Is it a channel?20:30
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Stskeepsno, mailing list20:30
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b-man17hmm, not much traffic from my extundelete thread - maybe my big fat warning is scaring people off xD20:31
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: booting without correct time means you *must not* use agps / stored alm/ephem20:33
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: so finding sats can take a lot longer, or fail completely under poor signal conditions20:33
Jaffab-man17: I really misparsed that as "extund el ette" :-/20:35
ShadowJKAnyway, use LogFS :>20:36
b-man17what's that mean, Jaffa?20:36
* b-man17 translates it20:38
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: there's only so many sats, should be enough time during boot...20:39
Jaffab-man17: No idea; which is why I was confused.20:39
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Stskeepsluke-jr: for next time, component area is the leftmost things20:39
Stskeepsbut thanks20:40
Stskeepsi'll process tomorrow in my working hours20:40
luke-jrleftmost things?20:40
luke-jrdidn't see no leftmost things20:40
Stskeeps(and down)20:40
luke-jrthat's not the link the question had20:40
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luke-jrquestion's link just had L#20:40
Stskeepsreally? :P20:40
* Stskeeps ponders if he messed up somewhere then20:41
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luke-jrWhat component area is the component in if you know? (See the openness reports at
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Stskeepsah, when you click further in to the actual reports, it should be more or less obviously20:43
Stskeepsnm though20:43
Stskeepsit's Other/Other in diablo20:43
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: GPS is doing sth that's been considered impossible some 30 years ago: filtering out a signal from a much stronger random noise. This is done by correlators which basically have to know about the expected signal to find the hidden actual one in the noise. It's not as simple as "you got enough time to scan 28 channels if there's a carrier of the sat on that chan"20:53
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: due to sats being moving transmitters you see quite relevant doppler and other distorting effects that are highly related to the *exact* time you look for that particular sat's signal20:54
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: current GPS chipsets have several thousands of those hardware correlators, to scan all possible signals possibly seen inside the noise20:56
mikkovfound tuxracer crash reason20:57
DocScrutinizerthe more of those a chipset has, the faster it'll find a sat. But correct time plus alm/ephem also help a lot20:57
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ShadowJKthey all transmit on the same frequency, and there my understanding of signals ends :-(21:09
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kamuiIm pretty bummed21:40
kamuiIm really approaching a point where I have to reflash21:41
kamuiand I was hoping to god that pr 1.2 or meego would be available before I did21:41
kamuihey haltdef21:41
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haltdefwhat's wrong?21:41
kamuiits a huge hassle to reinstall all of my custom stuff21:42
kamuiand I dont' want to do it only to have pr 1.2 or meego released for the N900 like 2 days later21:42
kamuithat happened to me with pr 1.121:42
kamuiand man I was annoyed21:42
kamui I guess pretty bummed was the wrong descriptor for my feelings21:42
kamuimore like, Im preemptively annoyed21:43
haltdefI don't get why you're approaching the point where you need to reflash21:43
kamuiknowing that is my future fate21:43
kamuisystem is running a bit slower than it should21:43
kamuiIm having some random errors, and the pr 1.1.1 update didn't install properly21:43
kamuiso its livable21:43
kamuibut not ideal21:43
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kamuiI have plenty of free root space, but my user partition is getting full21:44
kamuiwhich is always fun21:44
haltdefyou filled up the 27GB partition?21:44
kamuiand then that huge whopping 28gigs of wasted fat32 is sitting there useless21:44
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haltdefsurely you can re-jiggle that a bit21:44
kamuiI've seen some posts about repartitioning21:44
haltdefhopefully pr 1.2 will be out by the time I get my n900 :P21:45
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haltdefnobody know what will be new or improved in it?21:47
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DenRafhi all21:47
FIQnokia doesn't show those details iirc21:47
haltdefyea I figured, not much on the internets about it21:47
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DenRafprolly the most annoying question for you all, but can run maemo on the htc G1 ?21:48
Stskeepsno, maybe mer, but wait for meego21:48
ShadowJKoh wow, haltdef getting n900 too? :-)21:49
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StskeepsShadowJK: i'm pondering who else from unreal starts jumping on the bandwagon :P21:50
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haltdefn900 was going to be my next phone pretty much since it was announced, only now is it possible for me to actually get one21:51
haltdefjob :P21:51
w00tStskeeps: hopefully not too many21:51
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w00telse one of these days the undesirable crazies will start coming along21:52
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Stskeepsw00t: i had suspected luke-jr of being ashes for a fair bit21:52
* w00t lols21:52
w00ti almost miss ashes :(21:53
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V13(yes/no question) Is it possible to create status-menu-widget with PyQt?22:09
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gbraaddoes anyone have the PR1.1.1 update for the n900? tablets-dev throws an error22:26
gbraaddevice doesnt want to update using Application Manager (issues with retrieving apt info) and NSU complains about disk space22:27
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Flyser_Does anyone know how I can change profiles for remote controls in the irreco database? I made a mistake and want to fix it22:29
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kamuiyou need a ton of space22:40
kamuilike 45 megs free on root iirc22:40
Shapeshiftergbraad: also, the repositories seem to be unreachable atm.22:40
gbraadso i wanted to use the flasher22:42
gbraadbut unavailable ATM22:42
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V13ok... is pr1.2 comming?22:42
V13repositories are down and I can't upload to builder22:43
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* V13 gets a nokia employee and tortures him22:43
pupniksunday isnt a very good day for emergency response on servers22:43
pupnikon maemo servers22:43
V13but the builder as well ?22:43
gbraadonly found flasher-3.0 and some older 770 and n810 firmware on my server22:43
V13both the builder and the repositories ?22:44
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pupniki havent hacked them for access so i dunno whats up22:44
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HarrySdoes anyone know if CDMA from Verizon Wireless is supported on the n900?22:56
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ShadowJKit is not22:57
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HarrySis there any plans for it to work on Verizon CDMA? It's an impressive phone.22:58
SpeedEvilNo CDMA is.22:59
SpeedEvilIt would require the carrier to agree to have it put on the network.22:59
SpeedEvilAnd they'd want to neuter it probably.22:59
HarryS:[ Aww.23:00
ShapeshifterSo has someone found a source of qwerty keymats that ships to europe? I found a german supplier but they only sell the stupid qwertz version.23:02
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V13ladies and gentlemen.. after a dozen hours of coding, I present you "actman". A (for now) shell script to manage activities. Have a look here:
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DrGrovIt works to play a regular TV show which is approximately 350MB and pixels are about 600-650 times 300-40023:11
DrGrovjust played a House episode without any problems at all :)23:11
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haltdefthis pleases me23:11
haltdefwant to see how well it copes with my 720x480 16:9 ~2000kbps x264 encodes23:12
pupniki picture the smiling snake23:12
pupnikfind us a good x264 setting for n90023:13
haltdefI'm not faffing with re-encoding stuff for it unless it's HD, that's for iphone users23:13
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DrGrovhaltdef: what pleases you?23:14
haltdefscene xvids playing fine23:15
haltdefmy msm72xx based WM device struggles, useless23:15
DrGrovhaltdef: fuck yeah! ;) i was *absolutely* sure about tihs23:15
DrGrovhaltdef: no lagging what so ever23:16
DrGrovthe next step is to try a scene 720p HD, tomorrow it will be 24 ;)23:16
haltdefmine drops like 10% of the frames just to keep up23:16
haltdefthat isn't gonna work :P23:16
Arif_you can't play HD on the N900...!23:16
DrGrovArif_: perhaps I can, perhaps I can't :)23:16
haltdefno you can't :>23:17
Arif_I tried :P23:17
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Arif_doesn't play a ~500MB scene rip23:17
DrGrovArif_: GOD DAMN Why did you destroy my faith which I had for 720p HD ;)23:17
ShadowJKuse the baeline x264 preset. main and high profile is bad idea23:17
Arif_I love ruining people's hopes =P23:17
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DrGrovArif_: well you son of a ..... :D LOL23:17
DrGrovbut 350 mb scene xvid is enough :)23:18
Arif_those work fine :P23:18
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DrGrovArif_: yeah, it is absolutely great. 1,5h lunch brakes now have a meaning ;)23:19
Arif_I hope KMplayer and Mplayer will improve soon23:19
Arif_its a pain streaming content...:P23:20
DrGrovyeah, i can imagine that. i won't even try it until it becomes stable and some improvements at least are done23:20
Arif_it works23:20
ShadowJKcould get maybe 10% extra out of newer mplayer23:20
Arif_but at the smallest hicup the video/audio gets out of sync23:20
Arif_and it takes 1+ minute to buffer23:21
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Arif_And the buffer is like23:21
Arif_0 :D23:21
* Noobmonk3y blinks23:23
* Arif_ throws buffered media at Noobmonk3y23:23
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* Noobmonk3y wants more buffered media :)23:24
ShapeshifterMh. What the maemo UI desperately needs is a wheel-type-of-popup to select values without using the keyboard.23:24
Arif_stay far away from moomo then23:24
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Shapeshifteras in, a wheel pops up and you can turn it to increase/decrease a value.23:24
Shapeshifterspinboxes suck23:25
Noobmonk3ygood idea :)23:25
Shapeshifterand the dialog-type-of-picker doesn't really work well for more then a couple of items23:25
DrGrovsleepy time, haven't had too much time for anything else this weekend except the N90023:25
Arif_what about you can TYPE the value!23:25
DrGrovbut see you guys tomorrow23:25
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ShapeshifterArif_: I said without keyboard.23:25
Noobmonk3ythink the value!23:25
DrGrovttyl guys later23:25
Arif_make a hand gesture23:25
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Arif_of the value :D23:26
Shapeshiftershout at the phone?23:26
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Noobmonk3ytry and gesture 1484765?23:26
ShapeshifterArif_: yeah right. make use of the accelerometer to "draw" values into the air23:26
Arif_the front cam?23:26
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Arif_write it on a piece of paper and let it OCR it23:26
Shapeshifterselect values by throwing your phone into the air, it will pick the value by cms23:26
Noobmonk3ywrite it on paper and scan it with the camera23:26
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Shapeshifterendless possibilities23:27
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Arif_a virtual numberpad would be nice, too23:27
Arif_keep it simple!23:27
Shapeshiftermhh. can't find a way in qt to make it automatically only accept number input for the spinbox (which only takes numbers anyway). So if someone wants to enter numbers (the only thing it takes), you still have to press "->"23:29
Shapeshifterhow stupid.23:29
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Shapeshifteractually, any spinbox should simply register drag events. when the user starts a drag on a spinbox, left and down should decrease the value, and right and up should increase it.23:34
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DrGrovHi again23:47
DrGrovOne quick question about Internet connections23:47
DrGrovI have set my Internet connections to my 3G flat rate and my home WiFi. There is nothing else in the list on available connections. I added them myself.23:48
Arif_it shows available wlan too...23:48
DrGrovAnd I chose that it would automatically connect using WiFi and refresh state to "never".23:48
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DrGrovso what happens tomorrow when i go to work where there is WiFi? will it automatically connect to that WiFi ?23:49
Arif_it'll connect to your work wifi if you need it23:49
DrGrovYes, I know about that there is available WLAN when I choose which WLAN to use23:50
DrGrovBut of course I just use my own WLAN23:50
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DrGrovso it will *not* automatically connect to the work WiFi if I don't open the web?23:50
Arif_anything that uses internet really23:50
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Arif_will automagically use your work wifi23:50
DrGrovthe reason I ask is because it is unprotected and no one is caring about security on that wifi23:51
DrGrovI should change to "Ask always" option with the automatic connect to ?23:51
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Arif_I have it set to 3G&Wifi23:52
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Arif_so it'll just connect to anything it finds23:52
Arif_only annoying thing is it doesn't disconnect after you stop using the internet23:52
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Klowneranyone Netherlander's around?23:53
DrGrovi put so that it first takes hopefully my own wlan and it seems to do this because in Connections i have only my WiFi available as a "good" connection23:53
DrGrovArif_: yeah, i saw that it doesn't automatically disconnect.23:53
Arif_Klowner, I live there.... :p23:54
DrGrovArif_: so perhaps best to keep it so that it automatically connect to WiFi since it seems it chooses my own WiFi first because of the connections settings?23:54
DrGrovArif_: or how should I do?23:54
Arif_on wifi&3G it looks for wifi first23:55
Arif_then 3G if there's no wifi23:55
KlownerArif_: I'm visiting there next month and I was wondering how difficult it would be for me to obtain a pre-paid SIM (primarily for data) for a couple weeks23:55
Arif_walk into a store and ask for one23:55
Arif_no need for any papers23:55
KlownerArif_: do they have all the activation fees and such that I have to deal with in US?23:55
Klownerthat's so nice23:56
DrGrovArif_: ok, but when I keep it as WiFi automatically and it chooses my own WiFi at home it shouldn't choose any other WiFi I hope even though it automatically connects to WiFi first? It will then use my 3G if it doesn't find my own WiFi, correct?23:56
Arif_you can just pop it in, load some credit, usually comes with €10 and go23:56
Klownerstupid carriers here charge you $20 for "activation" on top of $50 for a month of pre-paid with unlimited calling/data23:56
Arif_DrGrov, it uses any unprotected wifi it finds23:57
Arif_or APNs you set23:57
Arif_if not 3G23:57
Arif_Klowner, prepaid data is pretty expensive though23:57
KlownerArif_: any idea how much? roughly?23:58
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Arif_Vodafone has a 250MB for €1023:58
Arif_TMobile has a per day plan23:58
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Arif_how much data do you need?23:58
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KlownerI bet 500MB would be more than enough23:59
DrGrovArif_: it does that? it found unprotected WiFi when I choose my own connection manually.23:59
DrGrovArif_: but didn't use that. but i will switch it to ask always setting just in case.23:59

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