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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: SpeedEvil: /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp ? | 00:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | sounds plausible | 00:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | It says 44 here - which seems hot | 00:03 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 00:03 |
| SpeedEvil | or maybe not | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -40 here, which seems cold ;-) | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | °F | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 00:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean teh second file | 00:04 |
| Shapeshifter | 53 here | 00:05 |
| Shapeshifter | but I just downloaded and installed something while playing a game | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 44°F to celsius | 00:05 |
| infobot | 44°F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit '°F' | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 44° F to celsius | 00:05 |
| infobot | 44° F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit '°' | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 44 F to celsius | 00:05 |
| infobot | 44 F cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'celsius' | 00:05 |
| Shapeshifter | I doubt they use fahrenheit. | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: err, second file? | 00:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input_raw | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | temp does not change if I do md5sums | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | raw is 0 here :-/ | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | raw is 44, other is 17 | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | (at 5C ambient) | 00:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: 5C ambient?? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems that's a case for reading kernel sources ;-) | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: yes. | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: damn, dude. Go cut down some trees! | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I have an electric blanket, so it's OK. | 00:11 |
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| b-man|n900 | woot! i've sucsessfully compiled a kernel (on) my N900 :D | 00:19 |
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| jebba | :) | 00:20 |
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| b-man|n900 | it took about 4 hours though xD | 00:21 |
| alden | lol | 00:21 |
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| jebba | ah, you did it *on* the n900? Heh. :) | 00:22 |
| b-man|n900 | yes xD | 00:22 |
| b-man|n900 | using a highly modified sdk rootstrap | 00:22 |
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| t-tan | are you insane? try Qt next | 00:27 |
| b-man|n900 | lol sure xD | 00:27 |
| b-man|n900 | i've done LFS on my N800 like 5 or 6 times xD | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 isn't that slow. | 00:28 |
| t-tan | or gcc 4.4. took me several hours on a 8core machine | 00:28 |
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| b-man|n900 | LFS = Linux From Scratch | 00:28 |
| * n00bmonk3y waves | 00:28 | |
| b-man|n900 | btw | 00:28 |
| * b-man|n900 has also done gcc 4.4 | 00:29 | |
| trem | LFS on N900 ??? | 00:29 |
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| b-man|n900 | sure xD | 00:29 |
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| t-tan | did your N900 melt? | 00:30 |
| n00bmonk3y | lcuk : still awake? | 00:30 |
| b-man|n900 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/projects < all done on my previous N800 ;) | 00:31 |
| lcuk | n00bmonk3y yup | 00:31 |
| lcuk | hey b-man | 00:31 |
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| n00bmonk3y | w000p :) | 00:31 |
| b-man|n900 | t-tan: lol no, but it does get quite warm xD | 00:32 |
| b-man|n900 | hey lcuk :) | 00:32 |
| t-tan | is there Gentoo for N900? | 00:32 |
| b-man|n900 | kinda | 00:32 |
| b-man|n900 | neuvoo | 00:33 |
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| * b-man|n900 grabs the link | 00:33 | |
| t-tan | I don't want this expensive device to idle most of the time... :D | 00:33 |
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| b-man|n900 | http://neuvoo.org/ | 00:33 |
| trem | b-man|n900: and LFS works on n900 ? | 00:34 |
| b-man|n900 | trem: it should if it's set up right | 00:34 |
| * b-man|n900 shasn't tested it yet | 00:35 | |
| b-man|n900 | *hasn't | 00:35 |
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| b-man|n900 | t-tan: it is mainly tareted twards OpenPandora/Beagleboard, but works like a charm on N900 | 00:36 |
| b-man|n900 | *targeted | 00:37 |
| trem | and your kernel works ? | 00:37 |
| * b-man|n900 is going to flash it in a bit - still need to get some stuff done | 00:38 | |
| t-tan | b-man|n900: good luck! I hope your kernel works... | 00:39 |
| n00bmonk3y | :D | 00:40 |
| b-man|n900 | it should :) i followed the instructions closely :) | 00:40 |
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| t-tan | that's no guarantee. the N900 and Maemo5 is non-determinstic. there must be a reason for the built-in HW random nr generator | 00:42 |
| kynky | for encyrption, speeds it up, i would imagine | 00:44 |
| Corsac | CS are not deterministic anyway | 00:44 |
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| t-tan | kynky: for generating keys, yes, it would make them less predictable, but speed? | 00:46 |
| b-man|n900 | flashing the kernel and booting the device up will tell ;) | 00:46 |
| t-tan | oh, a coin flip experiment | 00:47 |
| kynky | generatng random numbers in software is slow | 00:47 |
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| t-tan | kynky: nope. it only depends on the degree of pseudo-randomness | 00:48 |
| t-tan | b-man|n900: toss your N900. if it lands on the screen side, your kernel will break :) | 00:49 |
| b-man|n900 | LOL | 00:50 |
| b-man|n900 | so will the screen xD | 00:50 |
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| t-tan | correct. so we won't have conclusive evidence. we'd need to replicate the experiment several times. everybody on this channel should participtate | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Write a coin toss app. | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | That reports which way up it landed. | 00:59 |
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| t-tan | BTW, a Rock-paper-scissors with HW randgen could be nice | 01:01 |
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| t-tan | s//app/ | 01:01 |
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| marmoute | :-) | 01:07 |
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| t-tan | I hear silence... | 01:13 |
| * SpeedEvil hears the gentle hum of a fishtank pump, the fan of an x60s thinkpad, and little else. | 01:14 | |
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| b-man|laptop | it looks like i'm gonna have to wait an hour or so.. - my N900's battery is soo low that i don't think it's safe enough to flash atm :( | 01:24 |
| b-man|laptop | t rebooted on me and nearly went through a loop trying to charge - but it's fine now | 01:25 |
| b-man|laptop | *it | 01:25 |
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| pupnik | i hear not enough people buying n900s | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Buy two! | 01:29 |
| RST38h | And breed them! | 01:29 |
| b-man|laptop | imagine a "by two get one free" deal for N900s :D | 01:30 |
| b-man|laptop | *buy | 01:30 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:30 |
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| RST38h | Chilean marauders get rid of TVs and furniture! | 01:33 |
| RST38h | (surely they are searching for N900s) | 01:33 |
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| pupnik | and there were no more wacos | 01:34 |
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| lucky__ | Hi | 02:42 |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles isn't here? | 02:45 |
| crashanddie | The world is going to end! | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | try GAN900 | 02:45 |
| GAN900 | Oh noes! | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | Spring break, fool! | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: received the 40d :) | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: lens is the 50mm prime f1.8 | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | Cool | 02:46 |
| GAN900 | How's the condition? | 02:46 |
| crashanddie | Good, there's a bit of dust in the lens, but that's just because it's not sealed | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | (not weatherproofed) nothing i wasn't expecting | 02:47 |
| crashanddie | focuses fast and accurately, will have fun with this tonight | 02:47 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not going to bother having it cleaned, I might as well get a new lens, they're only $80 or something | 02:48 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 02:48 |
| GAN900 | The f/1.8 is really cheap | 02:48 |
| GAN900 | I'd replace it with a 1.4 if you replace is. | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | yeah, the f/1.4 USM is more expensive, but then you get stabilisation as well | 02:48 |
| crashanddie | still only $300 or something | 02:49 |
| crashanddie | fecking heavy camera though | 02:49 |
| GAN900 | Haha | 02:49 |
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| GAN900 | 1.4 is better in pretty every way | 02:50 |
| GAN900 | Faster, more durable, butter shutter, better optics, etc. | 02:50 |
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| * GAN900 feels too lazy to finish mwkn. | 02:51 | |
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| Termana_n810 | BUTTER shutter? sounds like a greesy sales stactic | 02:53 |
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| GAN900 | Er, better. | 02:54 |
| b-man17 | well, my new kernel almost booted properly... xD | 02:55 |
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| b-man17 | it seemed to die with alarmd | 02:55 |
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| corecode | microusb = bad choice | 03:20 |
| corecode | couldn't find any usb-microusb cable | 03:20 |
| crashanddie | seems alright to me | 03:20 |
| Arkenoi | miniusb would be much better | 03:21 |
| RST38h | 3.5mm round plug would be much better | 03:22 |
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| crashanddie | corecode: you're not in Europe are you? | 03:24 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: he seems to be | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | 02:25 [freenode] -!- ircname : Simon Schubert, corecode@fs.ei.tum.de | 03:26 |
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| corecode | i am | 03:26 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 03:36 |
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| wizkoder | Hy everybody | 03:52 |
| sar3th | hi wizkoder | 03:52 |
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| wizkoder | I use a png file in my program. when I display it in the qt creator it shows all its colors. but inside the maemo sdk it shows only blue to black colors. whats wrong here? | 03:53 |
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| wizkoder | Nobody... okay :-) | 04:07 |
| wizkoder | Another question: Is it possible to tell a window to use all available space on the screen? what geometry do I have to use? | 04:10 |
| wizkoder | Want it to fill the whole screen on my N900 | 04:11 |
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| wizkoder | am I alone or asking the wrong questions? ;-) | 04:14 |
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| RST38h | ...accusing Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg of hacking into the email accounts of rivals and journalists... | 04:16 |
| RST38h | eek. | 04:16 |
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| jscinoz | Hi | 05:08 |
| jscinoz | Does the default maemo 5 media player support displaying album art stored in the audio files itself? | 05:08 |
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| Termana_n810 | crashandie - thats a pretty wide wildcard ban. what did you just do, ban a country or two? :P | 05:22 |
| crashanddie | Termana_n810: actually, that would appear to only be a very specific ISP | 05:23 |
| crashanddie | Termana_n810: and it's only temporary, until freenode deals with 'em | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | Termana_n810: also, authenticated users aren't affected by it | 05:28 |
| Termana_n810 | crashanddie, you don't have to justify the ban to me, i was just making a joke :P | 05:28 |
| crashanddie | yeah well, whenever I moderate this channel I get crap about it, so i tend to justify extensively now | 05:29 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | everytime after banning another continent ;) | 05:50 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, hehe, now you know how qgil feels, eh? ;) | 05:50 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: yeah, not that anyone should realistically | 05:51 |
| crashanddie | I'm commenting on a piracy thread, and some guy comes in and says "if a moderator disagress, you can get banned or the thread will be locked" | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | wtf? | 05:52 |
| crashanddie | I just got called "capitalist scum" because I'm a | 05:53 |
| crashanddie | I'm a "moderator on a corporate forum" and my stance is that I support copyright | 05:53 |
| crashanddie | followed by "your narrowness of mind ends up with you selling yourself short"... WTF??? | 05:54 |
| pupnik | mwahahaha | 05:54 |
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| pupnik | how much must we pay you to chat in #maemo this week? | 05:55 |
| pupnik | i lost teh paypal addr | 05:56 |
| crashanddie | lol | 05:56 |
| crashanddie | I thought Open Source was about Open Spirit more than anything, but the more I hang around, the more I'm starting to believe that this community is slowly slipping towards something even worse than digg/reddit -- only because of very specific members though. | 05:56 |
| pupnik | nah the folks who contribute contribute. the rest of us just yakkity yak | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | It's the most absolute bollocks if you ask me. The thread starts out asking opinions about piracy, and why we personally believe it is good/bad. And as soon as you give your opinion you get slammed for being a corporate whore/lawyer | 05:57 |
| crashanddie | I reinstantiate my request: X-Fade can you rm -rf /var/www/talk ? | 05:58 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe some moderator not posting in that thread could move the name-calling posts to the "ad-hominem attacks" thread | 05:58 |
| pupnik | argh no. half my notes are there | 05:58 |
| crashanddie | well, I'm not a moderator in OT anyway, but I would've voted for having that thread moved to general. There are some very good posts, with very valid points on both sides | 05:59 |
| pupnik | look at this way: prosecuting piracy encourages FOSS :) | 05:59 |
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| crashanddie | no, prosecutation encourages defiance, sadly | 06:03 |
| crashanddie | prosecutation? | 06:03 |
| pupnik | hehe | 06:05 |
| pupnik | i just got sick of windows personally and bit the bullet and ditched all that winsoft i didnt need | 06:07 |
| pupnik | and it got funner as linux got better | 06:08 |
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| crashanddie | well, i've been a linux user since before I was a window suser | 06:10 |
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| crashanddie | I started on SuSE about... 15 years ago? Now I'm more of a OSX user, but Windows remains a given in the workplace | 06:11 |
| crashanddie | I don't care about people pirating, I do care about people making up excuses for their piracy. They're cheap fucks, just admit it | 06:12 |
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| crashanddie | "You can't call us pirates, we're not on a boat attacking ships, raping, murdering and pillaging" <-- When did you become Mr. Sensitive? YOU just ADMITTED to be a member of THE FUCKING PIRATE PARTY. | 06:13 |
| crashanddie | plonkers | 06:13 |
| ali1234 | the entire free software movement was pretty much founded in anger, what do you expect? | 06:15 |
| crashanddie | it wasn't founded in anger | 06:16 |
| crashanddie | I never worked on code because I was angry... | 06:16 |
| ali1234 | sure it was | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | I contributed to code because I was extremely happy with myself and my life -- only when you're at peace can you enjoy spending hours hacking at code for something you'll never get paid for | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | At least that's my case | 06:17 |
| ali1234 | that's why you'll never understand why people are calling you names :) | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | I never heard anyone go "OOOHHHH, Serial expired? Oh man, I'm so happy I could... I could... I'm going to write a new operating system!" | 06:17 |
| crashanddie | s/happy/angry/ | 06:17 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: I never heard anyone go "OOOHHHH, Serial expired? Oh man, I'm so angry I could... I could... I'm going to write a new operating system!" | 06:17 |
| ali1234 | RMS founded GNU because his printer wouldn't work and he was pissed off | 06:18 |
| ali1234 | but it wouldn't have gotten where it is today if bill gates hadn't done an EPIC TROLL on "hobbyists" | 06:18 |
| crashanddie | So, 20 years later, does his printer work? | 06:19 |
| crashanddie | Or did he notice after 5 years he forgot to plug it in? | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | no actually, i think the point is he diagnosed the fault but was unable to fix the problem, and the company who made it was unwilling to fix it | 06:20 |
| ali1234 | sounds kind of familiar... hmm who else does stuff like that? | 06:20 |
| ali1234 | whether his printer works today is kind of irrelevent. if it does, it was no thanks to the people who he bought it off, who refused to give support | 06:21 |
| pupnik | iirc RMS even submitted bugreports/patches that got ignored | 06:21 |
| pupnik | there are clear reasons for some software to be Open Source | 06:22 |
| pupnik | especially OS / drivers | 06:22 |
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| pupnik | less so for media-intense games | 06:23 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: portal 2 | 06:24 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: interesting | 06:24 |
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| crashanddie | ali1234: however, that still doesn't help me understand why they think they're entitled to violating copyright laws | 06:25 |
| crashanddie | Mooseous: fix your connection | 06:25 |
| ali1234 | well, i dunno about that one | 06:25 |
| pupnik | see rick falkvinge's google talk | 06:26 |
| crashanddie | no, I don't want some propaganda leader's google talk, for which he obviously prepared intensely | 06:26 |
| crashanddie | I want people's opinions, their points of view | 06:27 |
| pupnik | i understand all the arguments so i could just give you a summary | 06:28 |
| jebba | you're polling the internet about opinion's about piracy and you're surprised it's spiraling out of control? hmm. | 06:28 |
| crashanddie | It's like asking people why the vote democrat, and you get offered a speech of their elected representative | 06:29 |
| pupnik | PP argues that enforcement of copyright requires a regime of snooping and enforcement that is unacceptable for privacy | 06:29 |
| crashanddie | If you can't explain why you're voting for something, how can you vote at all? | 06:29 |
| crashanddie | jebba: actually I'm not polling, I've been called a troll for replying to a question | 06:29 |
| crashanddie | jebba: see the piracy thread in OT section of tmo | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | i think it is reasonable to vote for the person who makes the most convincing argument | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | even if you are not articulate enough to repeat it yourself | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: yeah, however that's the same argument as what one of the guys in the thread used, however most artists and copyright holders never asked for brutal enforcement. I'm a copyright holder, and I've never been asked if I wanted to ruin some kid's life by demanding a massive fine | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | anything else is just the same aas saying you have to pass an IQ test to vote | 06:31 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: which is pretty much my opinion :P | 06:31 |
| crashanddie | kill the idiots and the elderly | 06:31 |
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| pupnik | PP presents the argument in a binary way, yeah | 06:32 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: I would just like people to have enough decency not to use something if it's against the wishes of the owner | 06:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't think oyu really believe that | 06:33 |
| jebba | "Home recording is killing the record industry." "Do your part!" | 06:33 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: of course not ;) | 06:33 |
| ali1234 | therefore you must be trolling :) | 06:33 |
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| crashanddie | ali1234: though there's a few idiots I'd kill with great pleasure :D | 06:33 |
| pupnik | crashanddie: data isnt naturally a scarce economic good | 06:33 |
| crashanddie | Isn't it really like saying "having laws against tresspassing is burden on society, I don't damage anyone by going into someone else's house, therefore I am allowed to" | 06:33 |
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| ali1234 | not really no | 06:34 |
| ali1234 | it's more like saying you don't damage anyone by making a perfect replica of their house, and then going into that | 06:34 |
| pupnik | see the literature. Stephan Kinsella (a patent lawsyer) has an eye opening book on it | 06:35 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: but you don't have the right to make a perfect replica | 06:35 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: because in order to make a perfect replica, you need access to every single detail of the house -- which is again privacy invasion | 06:35 |
| crashanddie | it's as good an example as I hoped it was, but it doesn't favour either view, sadly | 06:36 |
| crashanddie | s/it's/it's not/ | 06:36 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: it's not as good an example as I hoped it was, but it doesn't favour either view, sadly | 06:36 |
| crashanddie | let's put it another way | 06:37 |
| ali1234 | do car analogy! | 06:38 |
| crashanddie | I write a song about something extremely personal, say manic depression, and how it affects my life on a daily basis. I only send it to two people, my girlfriend and my psychiatrist. It would be against my wishes to copy it, sure, making a copy of that song doesn't remove anything from the original copy, but it still goes against my wishes. Would you copy it? | 06:38 |
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| crashanddie | (regardless of the technical aspects of getting access to it) | 06:38 |
| ali1234 | is it a good song? | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | I hate most of the crap i write, but for the sake of the argument, let's say yes | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | now remember, i don't want notoriety, I don't want my personal life exposed -- the argument that piracy brings fame would be nil in this use-case | 06:39 |
| ali1234 | well probably not | 06:40 |
| ali1234 | piracy doesn't exists without the initial demand | 06:40 |
| crashanddie | of course it does | 06:40 |
| crashanddie | do you honestly believe that kids having 200gig worth of music wanted every single song? | 06:40 |
| ali1234 | that's not piracy, that's mental illness | 06:41 |
| ali1234 | mild OCD at the very least | 06:41 |
| crashanddie | and let's not forget that the arctic monkeys became famous *because* of P2P, not because there was demand. it was only spread over p2p networks intially | 06:42 |
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| crashanddie | I have a very hard time understanding that. I would love to, but I fail to see arguments which make me go "Aah, yes". | 06:43 |
| ali1234 | i have a hard time understanding the popularity of the arctic monkeys too | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | anyway, time to do the expenses again, bank account is going low | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | ali1234: lol | 06:44 |
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| Pavel | crashanddie: I think you are conflating privacy/secrecy with copyright. | 07:06 |
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| Pavel | crashanddie: In your manic-depressive song analogy, a more accurate one might be that you sent the song to ten thousand individuals, most of whom you did not know personally, and then claimed that further duplication is a violation of your privacy. | 07:09 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Please correct me if I am misunderstanding your argument. | 07:11 |
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| pupnik | pointless thread Pavel | 07:13 |
| pupnik | but good observation | 07:14 |
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| * Pavel is saddened by how often right to privacy/secrecy is used to justify copyright and how often copyright is (ab)used to maintain secrecy. | 07:16 | |
| Pavel | Mostly the latter. | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 07:20 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: Agreed, however it was more to understand if people gave any importance to the wishes of the author or not | 07:23 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Depends. | 07:24 |
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| Pavel | crashanddie: There are, after all, factors like empathy and goodwill toward fellow man or woman that factor into the matter, and your example appeals to that. This is distinct from a right/privilege to prevent others from copying it and punish those who do. | 07:26 |
| crashanddie | indeed | 07:26 |
| crashanddie | So I guess it really comes down to the "I-can-get-away-with-it" feeling | 07:27 |
| Pavel | The copyright, with its proponents and detractors, is the latter. | 07:27 |
| crashanddie | well, not really. I really doubt that most artists want to punish. | 07:28 |
| Pavel | Well, you can't prevent it every time, so the punishment has to be there as a deterrent. | 07:29 |
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| Pavel | What motivates people's positions in this debate is, indeed, often selfishness, and I do not completely exempt myself from this. | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | Again, I'm a copyright holder, and when one specific major attacked some kid "on behalf of the authors and artist" they protected, I kindly asked them to not include me in those statements, when they failed to do so, I kindly terminated my contract with them. | 07:29 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: And I applaud you for it. | 07:30 |
| ali1234 | it is folly to try to say all "pirates" have the same motivation | 07:32 |
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| Pavel | ali1234: Agreed. | 07:32 |
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| crashanddie | It's a shame though that so many have such a poor defence | 07:33 |
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| ali1234 | on the contrary, i think the fact that people don't even care about having a defence just strengthens the argument for change | 07:36 |
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| Pavel | As to whether the author's wishes should be respected and to what extent, depends on what ethical justification for copyright one believes. | 07:36 |
| Pavel | And by "respected" I mean "enforced by force of law". | 07:37 |
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| crashanddie | Well, what alternative would there be then? | 07:37 |
| lucent | bacon. | 07:37 |
| lucent | the alternative is always bacon | 07:37 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, is not fair that people be paid for something they worked on? | 07:38 |
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| crashanddie | If they don't mind giving it away to public domain, sure, it is their right, but is it not their right to simply not want to give it away for free? | 07:38 |
| crashanddie | Is this not the same argument as expecting everyone to work for free, rather than just having people give away a few hours at the goodwill? | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: anti-usury laws | 07:39 |
| Pavel | You misunderstand. I was merely clarifying that term, to make the distinction between the "goodwill" aspect and the "prevent and punish" aspect clear. | 07:39 |
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| crashanddie | What prevents people from simply not listening, not using or not viewing a specific song/book/software/movie? | 07:39 |
| luke-jr | once you pay for something, they can't charge you more just to use it differently | 07:39 |
| Pavel | Not making a value judgment. | 07:39 |
| lucent | crashanddie: you tell me, man. I want a multi-platform sample accurate CD audio ripper written using libcdio as the backend, but I'm not much of a programmer. How do I get this accomplished? | 07:40 |
| lucent | crashanddie: donations? and if donations, then to whom? | 07:40 |
| crashanddie | lucent: not donations, how about a labour contract? | 07:40 |
| lucent | again, with whom? | 07:40 |
| crashanddie | erhm... rentacoder.com ? | 07:40 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Anyway, that's the "right to profit" justification you are making. | 07:41 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: not really, I'm really trying to understand how one is expected to survive if not by having people pay for his work | 07:41 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: "Right to profit from exploitation of the work" anyway. | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: copyright is not needed to charge for works | 07:41 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: That's a separate question. | 07:41 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: but it's the one I'm asking | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | I charge $500 for ProgramX. If you don't pay me, you don't get ProgramX. End of story. :p | 07:42 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: because if I can have a way to get paid appropriately for the songs/books I've written, and incredible amount of hours I've put in them, I would love to sign up | 07:42 |
| lucent | crashanddie: I'm serious about that, is rentacoder.com reputable? have you used it? | 07:42 |
| crashanddie | lucent: I used to be a developer on it | 07:42 |
| lucent | ah okay | 07:43 |
| luke-jr | Now say you buy ProgramX from me for $500... and then decide you want to do something I didn't design it to do. With copyright, I can force you to pay me extra to add it. | 07:43 |
| ali1234 | i have heard nothing but bad things about rent-a-coder | 07:43 |
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| luke-jr | that's usury: charging for the product, then charging again to use it. | 07:43 |
| lucent | I hear only the horror stories about Indian coders with little or no education on licensing issues ripping off code without attribution to get paid | 07:43 |
| crashanddie | lucent: just check a developer's status. Write a good proposal, be sane in the money you ask for it (don't ask MS Office for $20), and only accept guys who have good reputations -- there's a lot of scum | 07:43 |
| lucent | I have not heard any "yes votes" in favor until you mentioned it | 07:44 |
| crashanddie | lucent: if you want to do it seriously, just send a job proposal to your local headhunter job agency | 07:44 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: How to survive? Simple. Get a different job, and don't bother writing songs and books. Which is a suboptimal outcome, if you produce greater value writing books and songs than you do at your other job, so we have copyright, which is a fairly free-market way to reward the investment (if it's a good one) in production of such works. | 07:44 |
| crashanddie | find someone local, always better in the long run | 07:44 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: That's the utilitarian/economic justification. | 07:44 |
| crashanddie | Pavel: but would people then pay for each copy of my work? | 07:45 |
| * Trizt wouldn't | 07:45 | |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Sigh... I am not actually disagreeing with you at the moment. | 07:45 |
| crashanddie | I understand that | 07:45 |
| crashanddie | I'm just trying to go further here | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: if you continue to maintain it, presumably people would pay for the new versions ;) | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | unless the code sucks | 07:46 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: read up, not talking about software here | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: if you only do the work once, you should only be paid for it once. | 07:46 |
| lucent | crashanddie: thanks for the tips | 07:47 |
| crashanddie | by whom? | 07:47 |
| crashanddie | and how much? | 07:47 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: however much it costs. | 07:47 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: do I charge the first customer, the very first buyer $80 * number of hours it took me to produce the song? | 07:47 |
| crashanddie | and then give it away for free? | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: the problem isn't being honest, it's competing with dishonest people/companies. | 07:47 |
| crashanddie | how screwed up would that be for the first guy | 07:48 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: The utilitarian/economic argument then goes that we (as a society) are better off granting an author (whatever the heck that means --- that's a separate discussion) a monopoly on the work that would allow and encourage said author to recoup the opportunity costs of making that work. | 07:48 |
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| Pavel | crashanddie: Note that the author's wishes only enter this argument in a subsidiary way: they are a means, not an end. So, if in the absence of a copyright system, you would have still produced that work, there is no point giving you copyright for it. | 07:49 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: many bands are just putting their music online gratis, and making all their money in concerts, afaik | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it's not just about the bands, sadly | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: have you read my longish posts on the subject? | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | want to spend 10 minutes reading? | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | nope | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | :) | 07:50 |
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| crashanddie | fair enough | 07:51 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: There is also the natural/property rights view of copyright, which says that the author owns the work in a manner comparable to physical property: that is, has a right to _control_ what happens to all instances of that work. Personally, I think that this view is essentially self-refuting, since practically every "work" is, in some way, derived from others, and nobody can really do anything. | 07:51 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: And, lastly, there is a related view that the author doesn't necessarily have the right to control but has the right to profit from exploitation. | 07:54 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, but the two last ones are flawed in a way | 07:55 |
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| crashanddie | kinda reminds me of all those photogs we accept attribution-only CC on their pictures -- one girl had her picture used to illustrate a news story about a girl being abused while on holiday in cyprus or something | 07:55 |
| crashanddie | which wasn't her at all, however now she's marked as such. | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's totally different | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | that's akin to slander | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | yeah, but it still arises from the fact that she gave away her copyright | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | if there isn't a law to prevent lying, especially in such a way, there should be | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | people shouldn't depend on copyright law for totally unrelated protections | 07:58 |
| lucent | giving away copyright does not overrule laws created to handle slanderous situations | 07:58 |
| lucent | (words could have been more careful but the hope is you all understand what I tried to say here) | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | http://thispicturesucks.wordpress.com/category/shit-that-grinds-my-gears/ | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | I can't access the website, but the story should be there | 08:01 |
| Pavel | crashanddie: Well, open licenses that don't restrict use are a double-edged sword that way. A pacifist contributing to the Linux kernel is not unlikely to have his/her work run on a CPU of a smart bomb... | 08:02 |
| crashanddie | true | 08:02 |
| Pavel | In other news, my noise-canceling headphones may have reached their end of life. | 08:04 |
| Pavel | Light percussive maintenance helps, for the moment, though. | 08:05 |
| ShadowJK | "light percussive maintenance" eh | 08:05 |
| lucent | is GLib useful to Qt programming? | 08:07 |
| lucent | or are they covering much of the same ground | 08:07 |
| ali1234 | they cover the same ground | 08:08 |
| Pavel | AFAIK GLib covers the same ground as STL in C++. | 08:10 |
| Pavel | So it's needed for GTK+, since GTK+ native binding is C, to emulate object-orientedness. | 08:10 |
| Pavel | Qt's native binding is C++, however, GLib would be redundant. | 08:11 |
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| ali1234 | Qt does not require STL either though | 08:11 |
| lucent | oh. | 08:11 |
| Pavel | ali1234: Right, but my sense is that GLib is redundant if you have STL (which you have if you have C++). | 08:12 |
| ali1234 | Glib has GObject, Qt has QObject... they do pretty much the same thing | 08:13 |
| lucent | C++ looked "broken" to me about 10 years ago when I looked into it, from a background of C | 08:13 |
| ali1234 | C++ is broken, and especially STL | 08:13 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Fancy moving the sticky from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46160 to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46781 | 08:13 |
| ali1234 | luckily Qt does not make you use any of the broken stuff | 08:13 |
| lucent | I mean that compilers and behaviors were still undefined | 08:13 |
| ali1234 | instead, they reimplemented it | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: done | 08:14 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: you're up early :) | 08:14 |
| ali1234 | for example, you can't inherit from STL classes, but you can inherit from the Qt equivalents with no problems | 08:15 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed. Well, online early. About now I usually stagger out of bed into the shower, but set my alarm early for a migraine check. | 08:15 |
| * Jaffa should go get | 08:15 | |
| * Jaffa should go get ready for work. | 08:15 | |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: any feedback on the email from last night? | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | except from the obvious part that telnetting to your smtp on badger isn't the most comfortable way to send email | 08:16 |
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| sar3th | whoever provided the navit package, THANK YOU SO MUCH! | 09:51 |
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| Shapeshifter | vgba has kind of a hard time. | 10:45 |
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| MiXu- | sar3th: Is it usable while driving? | 10:47 |
| sar3th | MiXu-: i haven't tried that yet, just found it in the extras-devel repo | 10:47 |
| sar3th | i am trying it tomorrow night :) | 10:48 |
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| MiXu- | alright | 10:48 |
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| MiXu- | At least navit UI is the worst I've seen so far on Maemo. | 10:51 |
| MiXu- | unless the one in devel is better than the one in extras-testing. | 10:52 |
| ShadowJK | worse than maemomapper? | 10:52 |
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| MiXu- | can't remember what it looks like | 10:54 |
| Shapeshifter | sar3th: where do you get a map from? (I only have a yellow background image) | 10:55 |
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| sar3th | Shapeshifter: http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps | 10:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | sar3th: thanks | 11:01 |
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| sar3th | np | 11:02 |
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| Shapeshifter | has someone understood how to use 'flashlight'? its not in the more menu or anywhere | 11:12 |
| slackmagic | Shapeshifter: open up the camera lens, then you should see it under the "sys" tray area where your 2g/3g connection, wireless, etc are shown | 11:14 |
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| slackmagic | Shapeshifter: make sure you turn off flashlight before you close the camera lens cover again though (almost like unmount before you disconnect a flashdrive) | 11:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | slackmagic: ahh thanks | 11:15 |
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| sar3th | slackmagic: really? | 11:19 |
| sar3th | why should you do that? | 11:19 |
| slackmagic | sar3th: i think the flashlight doesn't stop, I haven't tried it yet and I read it somewhere (dev's page?, maemo form, can't recall), just passing on info I've read :D | 11:20 |
| sar3th | slackmagic: it does stop | 11:21 |
| sar3th | when you slide it 3/4, the flash goes off | 11:21 |
| slackmagic | sar3th: thanks for the confirmation then, that's good to know | 11:22 |
| sar3th | np :) | 11:22 |
| sar3th | i just tried it | 11:22 |
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| sar3th | by the way Shapeshifter, you weren't the only one which fell for that trap ;) | 11:23 |
| tybollt | trap? | 11:24 |
| sar3th | thinking flashlight is broken, as it doesn't show up anywhere except when you open the camera | 11:25 |
| * Arkenoi wonders if there is a way to prevent camera app from launching if *another* app using camera is active (flashlight, mbarcode, etc), it is very annoying | 11:25 | |
| tybollt | sar3th: heh | 11:25 |
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| cehteh | iirc ther are some config thing in systemui.ini and mcs.ini | 11:29 |
| cehteh | flashligh has to open the camera since its controls are officially an api on the camera device | 11:30 |
| cehteh | others may hack around that, but no one knows what sideeffects that has | 11:30 |
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| sar3th | hm | 11:32 |
| sar3th | my flashlight usage routine is this | 11:32 |
| sar3th | 1) open camera hatch | 11:32 |
| sar3th | 2) close camera app | 11:32 |
| sar3th | 3) start flashlight | 11:32 |
| sar3th | so flashlight itself doesn't open the camera app | 11:33 |
| cehteh | camera device i saied | 11:34 |
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| cehteh | thats makes it also confliciting with the camera, no flashlight while filming, dunno if thats fixed meanwhile | 11:35 |
| cehteh | no its not | 11:35 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a thread on tmo | 11:37 |
| ShadowJK | videolight and autofovus video script | 11:38 |
| ShadowJK | or manual focus | 11:38 |
| sar3th | ah | 11:38 |
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| cehteh | yeah, but not in the flashlight app | 11:38 |
| cehteh | you can tweak gconf not to start the camera app when you open the slide | 11:39 |
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| pjet | Hello | 11:44 |
| pjet | Hello, I have seen on wiki, that I'm able to ask a question at this channel regarding Maemo | 11:44 |
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| pjet | I have just got a N900, but unfortunately it is not possible to sync with Exchange, as the N900 does not support the mandatory device security settings, set on the Exchange (as is the trouble with many N-series). Is there any way around this on maemo? Any email apps? | 11:45 |
| nid0 | you can ask, whether it gets answered is slightly different :> | 11:46 |
| nid0 | afaik if your exchange server requires the device to support provisioning you're SOL, the n900 like all n-series phones isnt really a corporate device and isnt exchange certified | 11:46 |
| pjet | Exactly the answer I was afraid to get ;) | 11:47 |
| andre__ | pjet, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Exchange_%28MfE%29_Heartbeat_and_FAQ#Provisioning | 11:48 |
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| pjet | andre__, sorry link doesn't work | 11:49 |
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| nid0 | link works fine for me | 11:49 |
| andre__ | works fine here. | 11:49 |
| andre__ | define "doesn't work" | 11:50 |
| nid0 | and it just says you're SOL as provisioning doesnt work on the n900 :) | 11:50 |
| pjet | Sorry once again _ my bad | 11:50 |
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| pjet | Thanks for your quick help and answers | 11:50 |
| pjet | As you said, I'm SOL | 11:50 |
| andre__ | feel free to click "Vote for this bug" in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8452 (no need for comments though)... | 11:51 |
| povbot | Bug 8452: Provide "provisioning support" for Exchange | 11:51 |
| pjet | will do | 11:51 |
| nid0 | tbh regardless of votes provisioning support's highly unlikely to ever change | 11:51 |
| pjet | Have a great day you all, and thanks once again! | 11:52 |
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| sar3th | does anyone know when the media players tag display will be fixed? | 11:53 |
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| ShadowJK | is there a bugreport? | 11:57 |
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| sar3th | i think i saw one, can't seem to find it now :| | 11:58 |
| sar3th | the problem occurs with additional codec support | 11:58 |
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| hrw | morning | 12:07 |
| pupnik | huhu | 12:07 |
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| Arif_ | :| | 12:12 |
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| Arif_ | werz ma firmwarez | 12:13 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone understand where in this first code block example the actual sms message is? http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples pdu_array? Very sparse info on this... | 12:15 |
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| crs | Hi there all. Is there a way to update facebook statuses without opening a browser? | 12:36 |
| MiXu- | Yes | 12:37 |
| MiXu- | I use Mauku + Twitter-facebook integration | 12:37 |
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| zaheerm | crs, by sms | 12:37 |
| crs | MiXu-: My mauku has no facebook support. | 12:38 |
| MiXu- | crs: It doesn't. | 12:38 |
| MiXu- | But it has twitter support and you can have all your tweets automatically become your facebook statuses. | 12:39 |
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| crs | MiXu-: O, thanks for that. I am very new to tweeter. | 12:39 |
| * asj- beats on Freenode | 12:39 | |
| MiXu- | That part of the puzzle doesn't have anything to do with N900. If I recall right, you can enable that from twitter's end. | 12:40 |
| crs | -twitter* | 12:40 |
| asj- | you want the selective twitter app on facebook | 12:40 |
| crs | Which one for example? | 12:41 |
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| asj- | which one what? | 12:42 |
| crs | oh, there is bild in one, right? | 12:42 |
| crs | built-in | 12:42 |
| asj- | no | 12:43 |
| FIQ | hm | 12:44 |
| FIQ | you know easy debian | 12:44 |
| FIQ | can i somehow make the img file around 4GB instead of 2? | 12:44 |
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| cehteh | img file? | 12:46 |
| cehteh | loopback mount on vfat? | 12:47 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, no port of "fortune" yet? | 12:49 |
| FIQ | the .img.ext2 file it places on the vfat yeah | 12:49 |
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| cehteh | vfat should be able to handle almost 4GB files | 13:04 |
| cehteh | so you could try to extend it or make a new image and copy files over | 13:04 |
| cehteh | dunno if the ext2 there is resizeable | 13:05 |
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| cehteh | copying should work nevertheless... so make a image as big as you like (rather fat likes) | 13:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | hello! | 13:07 |
| noobmonk3y | wohoooo - it kept saying i was a banned user lol... grrrr to auth services! | 13:08 |
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| * Shapeshifter is wondering how he manages to segfault both pyside and pyqt with his code | 13:11 | |
| Shapeshifter | so it must be a bug in my code not pyside >.> | 13:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | or maybe its a bug in Qt itself :> | 13:13 |
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| burchr | if you manage to crash pyqt as well, possibly | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | moo butchr | 13:13 |
| * burchr stabs Stskeeps | 13:13 | |
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| burchr | i'll butcher you soon | 13:13 |
| burchr | :P | 13:13 |
| Shapeshifter | burchr: yeah it's weird. I don't really see much wrong with my code. I mean, python is pretty indestructible ;) | 13:15 |
| burchr | Shapeshifter: pastebin | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | burchr: uff it's too big. I do stuff with dialogs. meh. I'll find the problem sooner or later. I heard exec_() is evil. | 13:15 |
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| burchr | exec on dialogs? mm, not exactly evil, but it is misleading | 13:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol... seg faults are evil...... | 13:16 |
| burchr | in that it doesn't really block, signals etc still can happen elsewhere while it's in exec() | 13:16 |
| Shapeshifter | burchr: I read the API and it said this was the standard use. | 13:16 |
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| lardman | ~seen khertan | 13:37 |
| infobot | khertan <~5c8ef6ab@gateway/web/freenode/x-mreyjdobbbzfwjug> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 27m 18s ago, saying: 'bye ... today the work is to refince electrical board in my house :)'. | 13:37 |
| lardman | hmm | 13:37 |
| lardman | anyone know why he's not overly enamoured with extras? | 13:38 |
| cehteh | hehe .. hope he knows how to handle electrics ... | 13:38 |
| lardman | well he's still alive and posting to the list at least ;) | 13:38 |
| cehteh | :) | 13:39 |
| cehteh | well he saied thats he spends more time fixing packaging than being productive | 13:39 |
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| lardman | that won't change by not being in extras though | 13:39 |
| cehteh | well if he doesnt have to follow the QA rules from maemo.org | 13:40 |
| ali1234 | specifically he said he spent more time fixing his packages to meet rule changes in extras, than actually being productive | 13:40 |
| lardman | oh right, what are these changes? | 13:40 |
| cehteh | i suggested him to make source releases and find someone who does the packaging for him | 13:40 |
| * lardman has been coding rather than paying attention to the lists | 13:40 | |
| ali1234 | lardman: well i think the last straw had something to do with bug trackers | 13:41 |
| lardman | ah, requiring a bugtracker | 13:41 |
| lardman | yeah, I need to deal with that too | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | the actual changes are rather hard to pin down since the list of rules is a wiki page that people edit all the time without announcing anything | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | i think the real problem is the first he hears about it is when someone thumbs down his app | 13:42 |
| mece | lardman, what is that about Khertan and extras? | 13:42 |
| * cehteh proposes that anyone who changes a rule have to fix all existing packages which he break by it :) | 13:42 | |
| ali1234 | that sounds like a very good idea to me | 13:42 |
| cehteh | hehe hardly enforceable | 13:42 |
| ali1234 | it's totally enforcable. just remove thair ability to give "thumbs down" until they do it | 13:42 |
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| lardman | ali1234: yeah, the wonders of thumbing down | 13:44 |
| lardman | mece: just trying to work that out, see the maemo-devel list from this morning | 13:44 |
| burchr | windows mobile really is a piece of wank | 13:45 |
| lardman | lol | 13:45 |
| lardman | but has pretty uis | 13:45 |
| burchr | not this version | 13:45 |
| burchr | and i'd rather pressing the menu actually do something as oposed to the entire device being locked | 13:45 |
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| burchr | +up | 13:45 |
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| lardman | hmm, sounds like WinXP when it starts up ;) | 13:47 |
| Shapeshifter | burchr: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/dialogcrash.py this is a test case btw. | 13:47 |
| Shapeshifter | open the dialog a couple of times and it will segfault | 13:47 |
| * burchr clicks | 13:47 | |
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| mece | lardman, hmm I haven't gotten any maemo-devel mails this morning. Have I been removed from the list or something? | 13:48 |
| lardman | mece: if so, it wasn't me! ;) | 13:48 |
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| mece | lardman, are the mails posted online somewhere? | 13:48 |
| lardman | but there have been some emails this morning, 5 since 10.30 gmt | 13:49 |
| Shapeshifter | burchr: I'm stripping it down to isolate the problem some more | 13:49 |
| lardman | mece: yeah there's an online archive linked from maemo.org | 13:49 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/40d/ w00t | 13:49 |
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| ali1234 | gee, after reading that thread i'm glad i never uploaded anything to extras | 13:50 |
| lardman | crashanddie: I was expecting pictures from the beach.... | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | lardman: beach is boring, but if you insist http://www.wickedweasel.com | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | (nsfw) | 13:50 |
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| lardman | ali1234: is not that bad, just don't worry about extras, that way when people comment saying "do this or else" you can just ignore them quite happily :) | 13:51 |
| lardman | and your app can grow old in extras-testing | 13:51 |
| ali1234 | yeah, unless it somehow gets promoted | 13:51 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: is that what you wear to the beach? ;) | 13:52 |
| ali1234 | then i have a possibly buggy app with my name on it, and no way to control when it gets updated | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | lardman: somehow I don't think my hairy arse would look good in something like that :P | 13:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie: lol | 13:52 |
| lardman | ali1234: you can push updates in extras-devel and -testing | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | lardman: also depends which part of my body is doing the wearing... Cuz yeah, wouldn't mind "wearing" that :P | 13:53 |
| lardman | ali1234: anyway I was only taking the mick | 13:53 |
| lardman | crashanddie: lowering the tone! | 13:53 |
| noobmonk3y | wohooooooooo bugtracker sorted and into testing - yay!!! | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | lardman: and they won't affect the version in extras | 13:53 |
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| lardman | ali1234: indeed, but I've never bothered to push an app into extras | 13:53 |
| lardman | though that will soon change | 13:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol apt conversation for me to post that into lol | 13:54 |
| lardman | indeed :) | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | khertan is around - fixed my py build file for me this morning :) | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | just not come on irc yet ;) | 13:54 |
| lardman | np, was just going to ask him what was up | 13:54 |
| lardman | but we've worked it out | 13:54 |
| noobmonk3y | he has added a new version of pypackager on his own repo :D | 13:55 |
| mece | lardman, ok, I'm a little confused as to the motives of khertan's migration... | 13:55 |
| noobmonk3y | works well for me :) | 13:55 |
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| mece | noobmonk3y, tell me more about this bugtracker? Particularly, what did you do to set it up? | 13:56 |
| noobmonk3y | Ahhh the joys of bugtrackers | 13:56 |
| lardman | Garage one? Do tell as I need to set one up too | 13:56 |
| mece | :) | 13:56 |
| * mece also. | 13:56 | |
| noobmonk3y | had to email the bugtracker peoples with a list of things... did that on saturday and Andre added me a bugtracker on sunday :) | 13:56 |
| noobmonk3y | will find my email | 13:56 |
| andre__ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products | 13:56 |
| lardman | ah ok, on bug.maemo.org? | 13:56 |
| lardman | andre__: danke | 13:57 |
| * mece is feeling warmth in his heart, both for the meego stuff and the lovely maemo community. <3 | 13:57 | |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah link is right at the bottom of all bugs pages | 13:57 |
| mece | I dunno wtf is up with me. I'm just feeling really inspired today. | 13:57 |
| lardman | mece: odd, it is Monday after all | 13:57 |
| mece | exactly! | 13:58 |
| tybollt | "warmth in the heart" | 13:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah teh request email addy is : bugzilla@maemo.org | 13:58 |
| mece | perhaps because the weekend was stressfull with sick kids and stuff, and the sun is out, and a random dude added material to my comic widget! Man that stuff gets you all fuzzy inside :D | 13:58 |
| tybollt | teh | 13:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | email i sent to bugzilla is here - http://pastebin.com/QXE1dECB | 14:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | the harder part was getting py2deb to update the bugtracker... but Khertans new version worked :) :) | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | needed his py2packager from his repo and a slightly updated build file | 14:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://stuff.moritzg.ch/dialogcrash2.py allright, here we are. miniature test case, segfaults after 3-5 hits on the button :| For some reason, this one doesn't make pyqt crash, only pyside. While my app, which has more stuff in the dialog also crashes pyqt (but somewhat less often seemingly...) | 14:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | seems like setting the layout on the dialog triggers the bug. | 14:09 |
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| ali1234 | can you get a backtrace? | 14:12 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: well, there are no debug symbols. | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | lolz | 14:12 |
| Shapeshifter | on the n900 at least. does scratchbox have them? | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | have you tried it on some other machine? | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | PyQt4 is available just about everywhere... dunno about pyside | 14:13 |
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| ali1234 | hmm | 14:16 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: runs fine on my laptop if I disable the alarmd module (which is pymaemo specific) and use pyqt4. But I'm on archlinux and very uptodate. pyqt 4.7.0 and Qt 4.6.2 | 14:17 |
| noobmonk3y | sry back , phone | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | it works fine here on PyQt4.6 | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: yeah that example doesn't segfault with pyqt either | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | but with pyside | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | my own app segfaults with both but it has more stuff in the dialog | 14:18 |
| ali1234 | i'm thinking threading | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: but why does the bug go away when removing the layout lines | 14:19 |
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| ali1234 | what happens if you make newEventDialog and newEventVBox local? | 14:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | ali1234: seems to stop it from segfaulting as well | 14:24 |
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| ali1234 | then it is something to do with threading | 14:25 |
| ali1234 | and most likely the more lines of code = more likely to get an overlap and hit the bug | 14:26 |
| Shapeshifter | ali1234: probably. I'm now trying the same thing on my app. thanks. | 14:26 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah mine seg'd on the threading part :( - but was using gtk threading in a pyqt app lol ;) (Worked fine after a while, but removed it for safetys sake) | 14:29 |
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| ali1234 | my guess is that somehow the click event fired twice, the first dialog got deleted before it could be shown, and then when you do try to show it, you get the segfault | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 14:32 |
| noobmonk3y | Ooo if anyones bored today - just pushed my app into extras-testing so would like some lovely testers to give it a run through :D - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.6.0-5/ | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Scatter printfs libreally. | 14:33 |
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| Funnyface | which version of flash did the maemo browser have again? 9.x? | 14:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | 9.4 | 14:39 |
| Funnyface | I guess the plan is to not upgrade it to 10 :P | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm dont know, possibly a meego thing though.... | 14:39 |
| noobmonk3y | I'm sure it is possible to upgrade it though | 14:40 |
| Funnyface | well I just hope to see flash die to be honest | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:40 |
| noobmonk3y | everything goes through phases | 14:41 |
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| Funnyface | or adobe are in the position to sit there and choose which platforms they want to support and not | 14:41 |
| pupnik_ | it would be nice if that flash-activate-on-click worked | 14:41 |
| nid0 | noobmonk3y ill give it a test through, I think I heard whispers of massive power drain while the app's up though? | 14:41 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm, someone said they got that working, may have been in ff though | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | lol nido - not quite it drained mine yesterday but i had a hell of alot open - so probably just being mis-understood. | 14:41 |
| noobmonk3y | it doesnt do anything if it is just open :D | 14:42 |
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| sejo | is there a thethering app for the n900 (using fedora as laptop)? | 14:42 |
| noobmonk3y | thank you though :D | 14:42 |
| noobmonk3y | erm i think there is | 14:42 |
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| noobmonk3y | blue... something (Blue dun?) meh | 14:42 |
| nid0 | isnt joikuspot working now? | 14:43 |
| noobmonk3y | oooh yeah, joiku works ok | 14:44 |
| tybollt | I had it working olrite before | 14:44 |
| tybollt | there a new version or? | 14:44 |
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| mgedmin | sejo, Bluetooth DUN support, iirc | 14:45 |
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| mgedmin | and if you use a USB cable, you don't need special software -- select PC suite on the N900, use it as a USB modem from Network Manager | 14:45 |
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| MiXu- | Bluetooth tethering is a nice idea... But it's slooow. | 14:47 |
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| MiXu- | It's limited to something like 480kbps | 14:47 |
| nid0 | noobmonk3y - i'm guessing no easy way to prevent the camera app from opening when opening the lens cover for the back camera test? | 14:47 |
| Shapeshifter | nid0: you can prevent it from launching the camera app from gconf | 14:48 |
| sejo | thx | 14:48 |
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| Funnyface | is there software that lets you use it as a modem over wifi then? similar to wmwifirouter on winmo if you are familiar with that :p | 14:48 |
| noobmonk3y | nid0: no sorry :( that is a bit of a pain really | 14:48 |
| noobmonk3y | Shapeshifter: ooo i eat my words | 14:48 |
| nid0 | Funnyface: thats what joikuspot does | 14:48 |
| Funnyface | nice | 14:48 |
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| sejo | mgedmin: thx | 14:49 |
| Wolfie | does the n900 joikuspot have the same limitations as the symbian version? free version only being HTTP, and the commercial lets you use other protocols too? | 14:49 |
| Funnyface | does it seem reliable? because I never found wmwifirouter that reliable, but I think that was a problem with winmo itself | 14:49 |
| nid0 | noobmonk3y - any chance of making the vibrate test a bit more.... forceful, almost feels like the vibrator is actually packing up with the way healthcheck triggers it | 14:49 |
| Funnyface | sometimes DNS wouldn't work and you had to reboot the device | 14:49 |
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| Funnyface | other times the thing simply wouldn't connect the data connection :P | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: pong | 14:50 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: No response to your email, no. | 14:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol nid0 - intersting one, i suppose i could get it to time it better.... just running a few dbus commands to get it going. does just about prove it works :D | 14:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | brb - Lunch | 15:00 |
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| lardman | bbl | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: strange, a 'cat 200 >/sys/class/leds/tw*vib*/brightness' just triggers a ~500ms vibrator kick. Something seems to stop it | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | It diddn't used to in pr1.0 IIRC | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that did it | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart mce | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now your shape more shows your true nature, mce! ;-P | 15:08 |
| cehteh | you bad boy, the vibrator is mce's toy | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny!! 'cat >/dev/null'; double-press blueFN to lock numeric input, send some 222 to cat; ^D (back to shell prompt); press Ctrl -> onscreen keyboard pops up. I'd call that a bug | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | waaah, sigstopping mce made usb charger vanish | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or at least it dimmed screen, though my setup says "no dim while charging" | 15:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if mce barfs chunks on being stopped for a few minutes, then continued | 15:16 | |
| cehteh | mhm | 15:16 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 15:16 |
| tybollt | khertan | 15:16 |
| cehteh | or some hardware watchdog? | 15:16 |
| tybollt | Khertan: they were talking about you all morning :) | 15:17 |
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| cehteh | hah fixed your house electrics :P | 15:17 |
| Khertan | tybollt: about what ? | 15:17 |
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| Khertan | cehteh: yep :) | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: hmm, might be, yes | 15:17 |
| Khertan | cehteh: a bit difficult ... but fixed :) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit, not even replugging helped :-( | 15:18 |
| cehteh | well mce should keep its fingers off charging, thats bme's job, but it controls screen blanking and other stuff | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smells like boot | 15:19 |
| cehteh | what controler takes care for the screen brightness? maybe mce refreshes it sometimes | 15:19 |
| cehteh | just restart mce | 15:19 |
| cehteh | while i never tried to stop mce for extended time periods .. i expected somthing like that :) | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup. Any official way to do that? like 'start mce -restart' or sth? | 15:20 |
| cehteh | stop mce; sleep 3; start mce | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 15:20 |
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| cehteh | dunno if thats 'official' i have the impression that no one at nokia ever imagined one would want to stop certain services :) | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope :-( | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe... | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | 23:22 < crashanddie> fucking awesome | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | 23:22 < crashanddie> just had my fucking face punched in for taking pictures | 15:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer replugs again | 15:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: :-O you been at some conspiracy meeting? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, REBOOT :-((( | 15:26 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: literally? | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: no, I'm holding ice to my face just to really make a point on a metaphor | 15:32 |
| tybollt | jeebuz what the hell happened? | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | I was taking pictures, just candid/street photography, some guys didn't like that. | 15:33 |
| tybollt | as in guards, police... or just random dudes? | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | random dudes | 15:33 |
| tybollt | bloody hell, that is fucked up... | 15:33 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: ouch ... i think it was a stupid french reaction ... don't know that can happen elsewhere | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | they've been arrested, everything's been caught on CCTV | 15:33 |
| tybollt | oh | 15:34 |
| tybollt | sweet then | 15:34 |
| marmoute | crashanddie: where did you take those picture ? | 15:34 |
| tybollt | I mean... that they got caught... | 15:34 |
| nid0 | yep, getting punched in the face must be well sweet, as long as the person who did it gets banged up..? | 15:34 |
| tybollt | no | 15:35 |
| tybollt | the fact that they got caught is sweet.... | 15:36 |
| tybollt | the rest is just fucked up... | 15:36 |
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| FIQ | hi | 15:57 |
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| FIQ | MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light 12 | 15:57 |
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| FIQ | =dejavu sans momo? | 15:57 |
| FIQ | and btw | 15:57 |
| FIQ | why that strange name | 15:57 |
| FIQ | ? | 15:57 |
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| nomis | FIQ: certainly not Dejavu. No idea about the name. | 16:05 |
| nomis | FIQ: seems to be mainly targeted for a non-latin script, the latin glyph shapes are not very balanced. | 16:06 |
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| pupnik_ | been playing with gqview | 16:07 |
| pupnik_ | it is so much faster than photo app | 16:08 |
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| Khertan | did you think flyspray is simple enough for a simple user to add bug in the tracker ? | 16:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | sorry DocScrutinizer - had gone for lunch :) | 16:15 |
| noobmonk3y | back now :D | 16:15 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: I like flyspray | 16:16 |
| * Khertan like flyspray too :) | 16:16 | |
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| Khertan | but it s maybe not so easy for simple users | 16:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan: thank you for your help :D | 16:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: in that case, no bug tracker is "easy" for simple users. | 16:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Probably, for a "simple" user, the hardest task you can ask of him is to click on one of 5 stars to rate a program. | 16:21 |
| Shapeshifter | I think that's about as far as it can get. | 16:21 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y: your welcome ... thanks for using my packaging tool :) | 16:23 |
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| Khertan | What did you think of encapsulating a whole python program by a try: except: BugReportInterface.display() | 16:24 |
| Khertan | ? | 16:25 |
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| noobmonk3y | Khertan: didnt know i had another option - anyway it is incredibly user friendly :D | 16:25 |
| noobmonk3y | oooo debugging? :D | 16:26 |
| Khertan | debugging ? | 16:26 |
| Khertan | what did you mean ? | 16:26 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:26 |
| noobmonk3y | the bugreporter thing ? | 16:27 |
| Khertan | yep ... i ll try to make a bug reporting ui for my apps | 16:28 |
| noobmonk3y | cool :D | 16:28 |
| FIQ | ah | 16:28 |
| Khertan | will be better to invite user | 16:28 |
| Khertan | and as i cannot modify bugs.maemo.org | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Shapeshifter: they will click these randomly | 16:28 |
| Khertan | i ll modify my custom flyspray install :) | 16:28 |
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| RST38h | Moo all btw | 16:28 |
| FIQ | but then, why says debian dejavu is installed but i'm unable to choose it? | 16:29 |
| FIQ | (arm debian, maemo didn't have it in repos at all) | 16:29 |
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| Khertan | reboot needed of the webbrowser due to firefox extension added | 16:33 |
| Khertan | bye :) | 16:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | RST38h: ^^ | 16:43 |
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| * Shapeshifter sees that, as expected, downloading 3.3GB of map data over wireless makes for swift battery depletion. | 16:44 | |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/microvisions-show-wx-laser-pico-projector-available-to-buy-toda/ | 16:49 |
| RST38h | (and yes, it does cost like two N900s :)) | 16:49 |
| derf | Is that an official unit of measurement now? | 16:50 |
| lcuk | derf seems reasonable | 16:50 |
| derf | "This laptop costs 3 N900's." | 16:50 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:51 |
| lcuk | luke found out today his year head has an n900 | 16:51 |
| noobmonk3y | that measurement fails when the ucky few who got free n900's join in ;) | 16:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk - healthcheck in testing :D | 16:51 |
| lcuk | nahh it just throws out the stats a bit | 16:51 |
| nomis | RST38h: I've seen that one "live" at the embedded world in nuremburg. | 16:51 |
| RST38h | nomis: is it really that great? | 16:51 |
| derf | Presumably for currency conversion purposes you use the current N900 price on the spot market. | 16:51 |
| noobmonk3y | good point derf | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | which countries prices? ;) | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 16:52 |
| RST38h | US of course | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | suppose it depends where you are buying the laptop | 16:52 |
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| derf | This leads to significant opportunities for arbitrage, of course. | 16:52 |
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| jacekowski | laptop worth 3xN900 | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | that's a lot | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Although I kinda suspect it will work with any currency | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | :D is it 3 * as good? ;) | 16:52 |
| jacekowski | my laptop is worth 1,2N900 | 16:52 |
| noobmonk3y | can you use it as a phone? hehe | 16:52 |
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| nomis | RST38h: it is less bright than one would hope, but the no-need-for-focussing is cool. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | nomis: =) | 16:53 |
| nomis | it has the typical laser speckle patterns though, which might be a bit tricky to get used to. | 16:53 |
| RST38h | moire patterns? | 16:54 |
| lcuk | those arent speckle patterns, those are the cells in the back of your eye melting | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | remember children: do not look into the projector with your remaining eye | 16:54 |
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| nomis | RST38h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speckle_pattern | 16:54 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Better: "Do not direct this projector at a mirror" | 16:54 |
| RST38h | Possibilities for disaster boggle the mind | 16:55 |
| nomis | lcuk: they also had a HUD-installation there based on the same technology. | 16:55 |
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| RST38h | nomis: ah interesting | 16:55 |
| lardman | re | 16:55 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: why? | 16:55 |
| derf | Oh, is that one of those holographic laser projectors? | 16:55 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: it's less bright than normal projector | 16:56 |
| * lardman again wishes for a digital compass after seeing some of these: http://econsultancy.com/blog/4288-10-mindblowing-augmented-reality-apps-and-videos | 16:56 | |
| jacekowski | lcuk: it's safer to look into it than into normal projector | 16:56 |
| lcuk | worst case scenario you can just be fitted with a VISOR so its not end of world | 16:56 |
| nomis | derf: not sure about the holographic. Apparently it uses micro-mirror scanning stuff. | 16:56 |
| derf | If they're in a consumer product, they're presumably class 1 lasers. | 16:56 |
| jacekowski | well, you could burn out eyes with properly focused incandescent light | 16:57 |
| RST38h | just takes more work | 16:57 |
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| derf | Of course. Laser safety ratings are always for the "unaided human eye". | 16:58 |
| RST38h | derf: class 1 laser is actually enough to cause minor damage | 16:58 |
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| jacekowski | 200W bulb from 1cm will cause more damage | 16:58 |
| * lcuk lobs a 20w bulb towards jacekowski | 16:59 | |
| lcuk | i bet that does damage too ;) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Not sure how you are gonna stick your eye so close to a 200w bulb | 16:59 |
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| tybollt | then again every other kid today has those crazy strong green lasers they shoot at police officers and planes... | 16:59 |
| tybollt | that scares the living diddley out of me | 16:59 |
| RST38h | but yes, it takes effort and determination to damage your eyes with an incandescent bulb | 17:00 |
| derf | nomis: Anyway, the holographic stuff uses diffraction patterns, not mirrors. | 17:00 |
| derf | Well, there may well be mirrors involved somewhere, of course. | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: you can do same thing with incandescent light bulb and couple lenses | 17:00 |
| derf | But it's not the primary means of producing the image. | 17:00 |
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| jacekowski | or halogen lamp + couple lenses | 17:01 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: point is - can that be something as small as a pencil? | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: it can | 17:01 |
| RST38h | OMG Avatar lost. | 17:01 |
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| RST38h | What are all the fans gonna do? | 17:01 |
| derf | Go watch it again. | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: i think small hallogen bulbs go up to 100W | 17:02 |
| derf | And make it another $2.5bln. | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: + couple lenses | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: and you can make plane crash | 17:02 |
| tybollt | ok | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | lasers are just more efficient | 17:02 |
| derf | I'd much rather be James Cameron than Katherine Bigelow, even if I didn't bother to see his movie, and I saw hers. | 17:02 |
| * RST38h has not watched Avatar. Hehe. | 17:02 | |
| jacekowski | and easier to focus | 17:02 |
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| thresh | RST38h: it's actually quite cool if watched in imax | 17:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to drool over specle atterns of his 150mW green laser | 17:04 | |
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| derf | 150 mW? That's not class 1. | 17:05 |
| RST38h | thresh: Yea, but I hate the noise and the fake "catharsis" around it | 17:05 |
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| * edheldil starts to drool over his 150 MW green laser ;-) | 17:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, who cares classX | 17:06 |
| arachnist | edheldil: try not to drool at while it's on | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: :-DD | 17:07 |
| derf | Well, if you've got proper safety gear, it's fine of course. | 17:07 |
| edheldil | time for some Death Star demonstration, muhahaha .... | 17:07 |
| RST38h | edheldil: Was that a capital "M" by the way? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can'rt read anymore :-( | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | looked at the spot on a white wall ;-P | 17:08 |
| derf | Usually you don't have to worry about eye damage from scattered light until class 4. | 17:09 |
| derf | (e.g., over 500 mW) | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: not exactly damage, but a dark spot | 17:09 |
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| arachnist | "Try not to look at the laser with your remaining eye" | 17:10 |
| derf | Class 4 also causes skin damage. It's good stuff. | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | photo flashlight would've been worse :-P | 17:10 |
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| lardman | I've got a 20W welding laser down in the lab | 17:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if a 10mW 420nm laser might cause some damage to skin as well | 17:11 | |
| arachnist | goodies | 17:11 |
| lardman | and green glasses | 17:11 |
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| arachnist | lardman: can has it to playz? ;) | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh actually 405nm | 17:11 |
| lardman | arachnist: you want to burn pencils and ablate test samples too...? | 17:12 |
| arachnist | lardman: :) | 17:12 |
| lardman | mine's iirc 808nm | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: red enough :-D | 17:12 |
| * noobmonk3y yawns | 17:12 | |
| arachnist | lardman: i'd burn my old phone | 17:12 |
| RST38h | arachnist: RAZR? =) | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: actually a green 3W laser didn't do any harm to my skin | 17:14 |
| lardman | can't see speckle patterns with mine, though I could probably see the negative if I took my glasses off and burned them into my retinas | 17:14 |
| arachnist | RST38h: se k800i | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | E: Handler silently failed :( apt-get | 17:15 |
| lardman | I do have a shearography kit with 4 laser diodes at 568nm or thereabouts to produce wide area speckle, but that's too bright too look at for long | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: except one single time when it felt like a short hit of a needle | 17:15 |
| lcuk | lardman, isnt that what got you into trouble the last time | 17:15 |
| arachnist | RST38h: i might actually use it with my nagios^Wicinga installation, but that'd require me to get a pre-paid | 17:15 |
| * derf waits a few years for DocScrutinizer to develop skin cancer. | 17:15 | |
| lardman | lcuk: I did think I'd done something to one of my eyes yeah, seems to have got better though which is good | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: but that friggin device actually shot a permanent black spot to my right eye's rhetina | 17:16 |
| ptl | wow | 17:16 |
| * lcuk gets you an eye patch | 17:16 | |
| Arif_ | has Nokia made the N900 more buggy yet? | 17:16 |
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| ptl | just noticed that there's a directory fremantle-1.2 on repository.maemo.org | 17:17 |
| derf | I'll make sure not to work in the lab with you, then. | 17:17 |
| derf | You and lasers don't sound safe together. | 17:17 |
| * Arif_ points a green laser at derf | 17:17 | |
| * noobmonk3y blinks | 17:18 | |
| lardman | derf: the red ones are designed to be used without eye protection to produce speckle, no idea what happened to my eye or even whether it was me | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: the setup wasn't mine, supid employer's multimedia show, with the laser *behind* the service bridge, exactly in eyes' level | 17:18 |
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| * lcuk notes to goto morgan freeman errr simon pickerings lab when a resonance cascade failure occurs | 17:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and we had to walk the bridge all day to service the Kodak projectors | 17:19 |
| lardman | people with those laser shows seem somewhat safety-lax | 17:20 |
| * lcuk wonders where morgan camer from | 17:20 | |
| lcuk | of course i meant gordon | 17:20 |
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| lardman | flash? | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: that particular guy was the most crazy boss I ever had | 17:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm coffee or tea... what a tough decision...... | 17:23 |
| satmd | coffee | 17:24 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, tea made in cold water and steeped using laser light | 17:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk - naaaa, would still be at work in a week if i tried that method | 17:26 |
| RST38h | Hehe, Apple continues removing apps from AppStore | 17:27 |
| lcuk | o_O maemo planet feed has picture of female with umm what appears to be bouncy funbags! | 17:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000p | 17:28 |
| * RST38h thumbs it down =) | 17:28 | |
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| range | Even worse: I don't see her carrying a phone. | 17:29 |
| lcuk | lol RST38h you just want to touch them whichever way | 17:29 |
| lcuk | range, she has a pedometer attached to her chest | 17:29 |
| lcuk | or swingometer or something | 17:29 |
| lcuk | infact, it might just be a pebble she found on the floor | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | kinetic bazookas! | 17:30 |
| RST38h | Actually, the study of an optimal place to attach the dynamo to female breasts, for effeciency, definitely deserves a DARPA grant | 17:30 |
| lcuk | +1 | 17:30 |
| RST38h | With women in the military, etc | 17:30 |
| lcuk | thats worth at least 4 n900s | 17:31 |
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| tybollt | RST38h++ | 17:32 |
| lardman | could probably use piezo bra-straps | 17:32 |
| derf | RST38h: With which office? | 17:32 |
| tybollt | RST38h: could work as well for real fat guys | 17:32 |
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| RST38h | derf: Marines! | 17:33 |
| lcuk | for large males wouldnt a small turbine between the manboobs be a better idea - to make use of the sweat flow | 17:33 |
| derf | No, I meant of DARPA. | 17:33 |
| derf | Maybe STO? | 17:34 |
| RST38h | derf: No idea, but I am sure good doctors will figure it out | 17:34 |
| derf | I don't know that we normally do much business with them, but we might still be able to get someone to bring it up. | 17:34 |
| RST38h | derf: That will probably beat the last record, by MIT | 17:34 |
| * lardman still can't see any easily convertable electronic compasses | 17:35 | |
| tybollt | convertable?? | 17:35 |
| RST38h | derf: "Finding nude people on background made of black/red velvet" | 17:35 |
| lardman | tybollt: well usable or easily converted for use with an n900 | 17:36 |
| tybollt | ah | 17:36 |
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| tybollt | lardman: like a hw hack? | 17:36 |
| lardman | tybollt: I'd prefer a bt jobbie | 17:36 |
| tybollt | or like a BT enabled thing | 17:36 |
| lardman | the latter | 17:37 |
| lardman | though have we seen a picture of the N900's board anywhere, I still wonder if there's one hidden on there still.... | 17:37 |
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| RST38h | Ok, work. | 17:37 |
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| tybollt | lardman: ? like it is soldered on the board but no device driver is there? | 17:39 |
| lardman | yep | 17:40 |
| tybollt | or like it's solderedon the board but the pins aren't hooked up (why on EARTH they would do this?)= | 17:40 |
| tybollt | ? | 17:40 |
| lardman | not sure how realistic my hope is mind you, but it still seems odd to not have one, esp when the N97 has one | 17:40 |
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| tybollt | it does? Well now... | 17:41 |
| tybollt | gets intriguing | 17:41 |
| lcuk | lardman there is n900 striptease videos out and someone has posted links to the deep service manuals afaik | 17:41 |
| lardman | lcuk: I saw a service manual, but not circuit diagrams and no video of the complete board | 17:41 |
| lardman | just stuff like removing the screen, kb, etc. | 17:41 |
| lcuk | if i spot one ill let you know | 17:42 |
| lardman | ty | 17:42 |
| tybollt | didn't the madhats over at engadget/ginzmodo dissasemble theirs? | 17:42 |
| tybollt | and made a video out of it | 17:42 |
| lardman | did they? | 17:42 |
| tybollt | I recall there being a video out shortly after the official release | 17:43 |
| tybollt | or were they pics? | 17:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | humm. so I downloaded the openstreetmap planet.bin and inserted <map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="/home/user/MyDocs/stuff/Navitmap/planet.bin" /> into /home/user/.navit/navit.xml (which didn't exist) and now Navit crashes on startup. And why does it run in gdb when launched from the CLI. | 17:44 |
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| lardman | tybollt: the ones I've seen leave the shield in place over the main board, so you can't see the chips | 17:44 |
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| ptl | is there a repository where I can get drnoksnes 1.3.0 along with the libraries? | 17:47 |
| ptl | because drnoksnes is not on repository.maemo.org anymore and qole.org has 1.2.4, which is backlevel | 17:48 |
| pupnik_ | dr schlocksnes is ghone? hwahahaha | 17:48 |
| lardman | hmm, there are some pictures in here (http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/nokia-n900/32388-nokia-n900-rx-51-service-manual-service-level-1-2-a.html) but not detailed enough to read easily | 17:48 |
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| noobmonk3y | hmmm i feel working at home this afternoon sounds like a plan | 17:52 |
| pupnik_ | i need a whack-a-kitten game | 17:52 |
| noobmonk3y | lol pupnik........ | 17:52 |
| tybollt | hmm | 17:52 |
| noobmonk3y | that could be rev_kathy's first game? :D | 17:53 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, extras decoders ins't a daemon afaik, is a enabler right ? | 17:53 |
| * Shapeshifter suspects the file is too big for the n900 navit version.. | 17:54 | |
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| lardman | adds gst pipeline elements doesn't it VDVsx? | 17:54 |
| VDVsx | lardman, think so, some extra codecs | 17:55 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, seems even when resistive screens pick up multitouch, capacitive fans (or should i say ip* fans?) finds a reason to stay with capacitive, as if the specific implementation issues are inherent in the technology... | 18:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | before I got the n900 I was very concerned that the resistive screen would annoy me. now I don't care at all. I even think it's hugely superior due to better accuracy. | 18:13 |
| * Shapeshifter couldn't play openttd on 800x480 on a capacitive screen | 18:13 | |
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| Jaffa | VDVsx: Indeed. But SSH server is the same. User installs stuff and other stuff happens. If no manual interaction is required in X Terminal, it shouldn't have the X Terminal icon. | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: However, x11vnc does require X Terminal to start it. SSH server starts automatically, so is different. | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | VDVsx: SSH *client*, of course, should have the icon ;-) | 18:14 |
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| Khertan | Hi again ! | 18:15 |
| Khertan | hum ... +i on channel again ? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | wb Khertan | 18:15 |
| VDVsx | Jaffa, but you can control it from the command line, so is a CLI app ;) | 18:15 |
| noobmonk3y | wb Khertan | 18:16 |
| lardman | hi Khertan | 18:16 |
| Khertan | hi lardman | 18:17 |
| Khertan | ok ... so flyspray now setted | 18:17 |
| Khertan | need to report actually open bugs on bugzilla to it ... | 18:17 |
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| Khertan | noobmonk3y: i think for my bug reporting interface i ll made a simple module that can be use easily so maybe you ll be able to use it too in your HealthCheck apps :) | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | but it ll not works with bugzilla | 18:18 |
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| Khertan | so maybe i should add a email report option | 18:19 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:19 |
| Khertan | as i don't think you want that report is made to my bugtracker | 18:19 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo i'm intruiged Khertan .... does sound very interesting :D | 18:20 |
| josephnexus | hello everyone | 18:20 |
| josephnexus | i'm looking at getting the n900 and have been hearing mixed reviews | 18:20 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk seems to be my sole bug at the moment.... I might ask that goes and buys an iphone to save me the trouble ;) | 18:20 |
| josephnexus | especially in regards to bluetooth and disabling wifi | 18:20 |
| noobmonk3y | josephnexus: - I love it :D - but i'm biased | 18:21 |
| noobmonk3y | Disabling wifi is easy, icon on desktop.... | 18:21 |
| josephnexus | ok, and regarding bluetooth? | 18:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | Bluetooth works fine for me, what specifically do you need? (Ptrovich an app, will allow you to send anything) | 18:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | Bluetooth DUN is also an app | 18:21 |
| * lcuk can use your earlier apps noobmonk3y just not latest variation | 18:21 | |
| josephnexus | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N900-Unlocked-Computer-Touchscreen/product-reviews/B002OB49SW/ref=cm_cr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar | 18:21 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh, lcuk, your n900 is ancient though ;) - it runs on steam power | 18:22 |
| josephnexus | that's the review that has me worried | 18:22 |
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| lcuk | well its hostname is liq-n00 ;) | 18:22 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm gimme a sec to fully read... but seems odd brb 1 min | 18:22 |
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| josephnexus | ok | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | Note: regardless of what people say, there is NO way, zero, none, nada, to turn off the wifi radio via graphical interface. - lol ;) | 18:23 |
| josephnexus | i figured i'd ask the community | 18:23 |
| josephnexus | i love OSS | 18:23 |
| josephnexus | and so i knew there would be an IRC channel | 18:23 |
| josephnexus | :-p | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe... well there are some good reviews... | 18:23 |
| josephnexus | i know | 18:23 |
| lcuk | ive just seen a desktop widget for disabling wifi | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | he dowes raise some concerns that you can should be aware off | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | that can be answered in why you want the device ;) | 18:23 |
| lcuk | and you can of course enable flight mode | 18:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | as every choice is personal. | 18:23 |
| lcuk | and turn off all radios | 18:23 |
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| josephnexus | i've never liked smartphones | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | If you use it 24/7 the battery will not be great... but better then some other devices i have had | 18:24 |
| josephnexus | my current phone lasts 3 hrs under use | 18:24 |
| josephnexus | so i'm not too worried | 18:24 |
| josephnexus | and usually i'm near power | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | not liking smartphones is not a good start, but as the OS and the phone is new | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | it takes a while to get apps out | 18:24 |
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| Khertan | Other stuff: The battery charges much faster now, but it also drains much faster. There are some great apps starting to show in the pipeline. A lot of hard work from the community going on and new things are showing up daily in devels and testing repositories. They just aren't hitting extras (production) fast enough. | 18:24 |
| Khertan | LOL .... | 18:24 |
| noobmonk3y | So when he wrote it the icon (Probably was out), but he prob didnt see it, or it was in testing | 18:24 |
| Khertan | the amazon review | 18:24 |
| josephnexus | the reason i've disliked smartphones is 1) speed | 18:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol Khertan - that made me laugh too | 18:25 |
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| josephnexus | i had an ipaq that i had to wait 30 seconds for the dialing interface to come up | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | and then i'd dial | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | and wait 15 seconds for the number to appear | 18:25 |
| noobmonk3y | Ok 1) - this this is blistering fast.... (For me, but i'm used to e71's, etc...) | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | it was a pain | 18:25 |
| haltdef | think that's a windows mobile thing :P | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | i figured as much | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | the second thing is handling all of my data | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | i have about 6 GB of email | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | that i plan on moving to this device | 18:25 |
| lcuk | n900 has torrent client | 18:25 |
| noobmonk3y | last night i was on the n900, on irc, in a car, talking to lcuk... i was browsing the web.... i had emails and im going, i had music playing... and the whole thing kept going happily | 18:25 |
| josephnexus | yeah, i understand that speed isn't an issue | 18:26 |
| josephnexus | :-P | 18:26 |
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| josephnexus | that's why i'm considering this one | 18:26 |
| josephnexus | next thing, syncing | 18:26 |
| josephnexus | can I sync with linux? | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh good q :) | 18:26 |
| Khertan | ouch .... the vote are so bad on amazon ! | 18:26 |
| mtnbkr | noobmonk3y: hope you were the passenger :) | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | i think so - not best to ask me, but anyone else? | 18:26 |
| josephnexus | or do I need to set up an IMAP server | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | mtnbkr: - yup gf the taxi driver did a fine job! | 18:26 |
| josephnexus | and forget about syncing the calendar? | 18:27 |
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| josephnexus | 3rd... bluetooth bluetooth bluetooth... | 18:27 |
| josephnexus | how well does it work? | 18:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | josephnexus: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45721&highlight=linux+sync | 18:27 |
| josephnexus | i use bluetooth for my headset on the computer | 18:27 |
| josephnexus | and would of course, use the same headset for this | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | what headset have you got? heard of some issues with some devices | 18:28 |
| Khertan | clearly ... the calendar syncing is only working well with exchange 2003 ... (and not google exchange or exchange 2007) at least from what i read on talk.maemo.org | 18:28 |
| noobmonk3y | khertan - works fine on nhs.net exchange.... (2007) | 18:28 |
| haltdef | hope it can sync contacts with google apps | 18:28 |
| haltdef | that's good to have on WM | 18:28 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y: good to hear it | 18:28 |
| noobmonk3y | i think kathy and i are the only special ones though ;) | 18:28 |
| noobmonk3y | is that a wontfix? | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | ok | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | i mean the 2007 main issues | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | syncing isn't too big of a concern... cuz i'll be using this device for most of my stuff | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | and I assume that the IMAP client is good | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | josephnexus: in short - hmmm... possible issues with some ways, but there are allways multiple ways to do things :) | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | so that's not too big of an issue | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | how's the bluetooth... | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | ? | 18:29 |
| Khertan | josephnexus: the imap client isn't the best .... but it s a good one | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | imap works for me on one of my personal emails, and yahoo mail works fine via nokia messaging | 18:29 |
| josephnexus | that was a sticking point in that review | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | What headset have you got? | 18:30 |
| josephnexus | imap would be on my own corporate server | 18:30 |
| josephnexus | it's just a generic one | 18:30 |
| josephnexus | for making calls and such | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | worth looking at if it will work with yours, i've only used it to connect to my tomtom, worked fine | 18:30 |
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| noobmonk3y | people say it works fine with the recommended headset ... but other then that, you may have to look at the forums | 18:30 |
| josephnexus | did you have disconnection issues, or do those appear fixed? | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | With the tomtom, stayed connected for 6 hours :D | 18:30 |
| lardman | hmm, I do sometimes get the feeling that users don't understand what the thumbs up/down represent for the packages | 18:30 |
| josephnexus | well... bluetooth should be bluetooth | 18:31 |
| josephnexus | :-P | 18:31 |
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| josephnexus | i mean... this one adheres well to the bluetooth headset standard | 18:31 |
| josephnexus | it works out of the box on my ubuntu workstation | 18:31 |
| woglinde | hi | 18:31 |
| josephnexus | video calls, can this do it? | 18:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | should be fine no issues..... remember that the people who complain outnumber the people who have it working fine.... | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhh | 18:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | now thats a toughy | 18:32 |
| lardman | josephnexus: not yet with skype, but apparently should come with the next update | 18:32 |
| noobmonk3y | the front c am is painfully bad | 18:32 |
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| heoa | This mini-USB with n810? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26783 | 18:32 |
| josephnexus | is it a lighting concern? | 18:32 |
| noobmonk3y | it works on IM video, so skype / google IM etc, but specifically when pc to phone | 18:32 |
| noobmonk3y | its a 1mb camera concern lol | 18:32 |
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| noobmonk3y | as said by lardman - should be sorted soon | 18:32 |
| josephnexus | 1mp or 1mb? | 18:32 |
| noobmonk3y | 1mp | 18:32 |
| noobmonk3y | back cam is the carl zeiss one | 18:32 |
| josephnexus | 1mp as a webcam will suffice | 18:32 |
| josephnexus | the back i know is superb | 18:33 |
| josephnexus | the front is what i'm asking about | 18:33 |
| josephnexus | :-p | 18:33 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:33 |
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| noobmonk3y | brb 5 mins phone | 18:33 |
| josephnexus | ok | 18:33 |
| ptl | I found the front cam to be very usable | 18:33 |
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| josephnexus | ptl, what apps use it? | 18:33 |
| ptl | however, I'd still prefer 3G videocalls over google and MSN videocalls | 18:34 |
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| josephnexus | is it possible to do that currently? | 18:34 |
| Khertan | see you later ... bye | 18:34 |
| ptl | josephnexus: google talk (comes with the device) and aMSN | 18:34 |
| josephnexus | ah | 18:34 |
| josephnexus | ok | 18:34 |
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| josephnexus | and support for skype should be soon | 18:34 |
| ptl | no 3G videocalls though | 18:34 |
| josephnexus | which makes me happy | 18:34 |
| josephnexus | why not? | 18:34 |
| ptl | and I'd like skype videocalls too but it seems it doesn't work | 18:34 |
| ptl | I dunno | 18:34 |
| josephnexus | ok | 18:35 |
| josephnexus | but over wifi it's fine? | 18:35 |
| josephnexus | well... i'm gonna head out | 18:35 |
| ptl | it's fine but for google talk videocalls I couldn't find any way to initiate the videocall | 18:35 |
| ptl | only to accept | 18:35 |
| ptl | and then everything goes fine, you can see the other person and such | 18:35 |
| josephnexus | most of my questions have been answered | 18:35 |
| ptl | I've made a lame blurry youtube video out of it | 18:35 |
| josephnexus | thanks a ton ptl, and crew | 18:36 |
| ptl | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-9DBBaCD0 | 18:36 |
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| josephnexus | looks like i'll be ordering on the 16th | 18:36 |
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| ptl | yw | 18:36 |
| noobmonk3y | cool | 18:36 |
| noobmonk3y | enjoy! | 18:36 |
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| heoa | Can you use 5-pins Male A USB to micro USB socket in N810? | 18:37 |
| Shapeshifter | So... has anyone got navit working with openstreemaps? Since I enabled the map in navit.xml (which I copied from /etc/) navit crashes on startup. I tried the planet.bin as well as just europe. | 18:37 |
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| lardman | Shapeshifter: not tired in a long time I'm afraid | 18:42 |
| lardman | s/tired/tried | 18:42 |
| Shapeshifter | lardman: it's packaged now in fact. | 18:42 |
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| lardman | cool | 18:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh | 18:44 |
| Shapeshifter | now its working | 18:44 |
| Shapeshifter | magically. | 18:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | woah, so much for working at home this avo... almost 5pm lol | 18:46 |
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| lardman | cu later chaps | 18:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | huh | 18:47 |
| Shapeshifter | these guys have even placed bench symbols on the map | 18:47 |
| _berto_ | http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/ | 18:48 |
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| VDVsx | n900 passed the n95 ? :D | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: some get a bit obsessed. | 18:49 |
| VDVsx | no yet ;) | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | err - not close | 18:50 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: this is quality ^^ | 18:50 |
| _berto_ | it passed n97 | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | 126 daily users versus 527 | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: where are you? | 18:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: switzerland | 18:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'rank' is 5 - which isn't bad. n95, 5800, e71, 6300, n900 | 18:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love to see a map of geotagged photos of hte n900 | 18:53 |
| lcuk | extrapolate from http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 18:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | 2% of active n900 users as iphone 3g | 18:55 |
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| zaheerm | g:) | 18:56 |
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| mtnbkr | SpeedEvil: Earthscape on iPhone was really cool for that. | 18:58 |
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| heoa | Anyone connected n810 with Teensy++ with the USB-mini B to USB-micro B connector? | 19:08 |
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| * Noobmonk3y waves | 19:09 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | gotta love xchat :) | 19:09 |
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| sar3th | hehe | 19:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhh. is there some way of enabling a mouse cursor on the n900? I mean globally. | 19:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | dont think globally | 19:11 |
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| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: pessimist ;) | 19:14 |
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| Shapeshifter | it's linux. anything goes. Just which way... | 19:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:18 |
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| ptl | is there a way to see the new applications that appear on a repository? | 19:19 |
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| ptl | ...no? | 19:21 |
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| ptl | ...yessss? how? | 19:22 |
| ptl | ok, I'll take that as a yes, but you don't want to tell me the secret :( | 19:22 |
| Noobmonk3y | app watch application | 19:23 |
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| heoa | I need rigth connectors between n810 and Teensy++. I have found USB-micro B to USB-mini B, but I think it should be USB-micro A to USB-mini B. Any experience? | 19:26 |
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| Noobmonk3y | no idea sry | 19:27 |
| ptl | Noobmonk3y: installing.... Thanks, Noobmonk3y | 19:28 |
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| VDVsx | lardman, "your" bug was finally fixed :D, your t-shirt will not make sense next summit :( | 19:31 |
| lardman | VDVsx: I know :( | 19:31 |
| VDVsx | I think this is meego fault :D | 19:32 |
| lardman | then again meego doesn't even have a pane like that, so it probably wouldn't have anyway! | 19:32 |
| lardman | lol | 19:32 |
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| lardman | I'll just know who the old skool members are, those who laugh at me (more than normal :)) | 19:32 |
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| Noobmonk3y | np ptl | 19:35 |
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| ptl | Am I witnessing the first-ever lockup of my device? I just installed appwatch and the app manager froze | 19:36 |
| ptl | it has been a few minutes already. Is there any way to force it to terminate? | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | power button end task | 19:37 |
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| sar3th | ctrl+shift+x ps aux kill <pid> | 19:37 |
| lardman | I'm finding app manager finishes spinning its little spinny thing, then sits there doing nothing until I go back a page then forward again | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | lol | 19:38 |
| GAN900 | App Manager just gets slower the more hardware we get. | 19:38 |
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| lardman | it is rather craptastic compared to Apple's fare | 19:38 |
| lardman | though it's far faster to list installed packages than Andoid is | 19:39 |
| nomis | I wonder if the push for RPM with meego was because of ".deb is slow, see the app manager!" | 19:39 |
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| ptl | power button is not responding | 19:40 |
| ptl | lemme try ctrl-shift-X | 19:40 |
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| ptl | ctrl-shift-x does not respond | 19:40 |
| lardman | nomis: who knows, but the slowness appears to just be in the ui app (or the lib it links against) rather that apt on the command line | 19:40 |
| VDVsx | lardman, android is even slower ? | 19:40 |
| lardman | VDVsx: yeah, you can ask it to show installed packages and it takes an age | 19:41 |
| nomis | lardman: yeah. It is fantastically slow compared to the debian tools. | 19:41 |
| zash | Does anyone have any insight into this: http://blog.mmn-o.se/2010/03/08/nokia-wants-to-link-to-your-flickr-account/ | 19:41 |
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| lardman | presents a list then starts filling in the details, though it does show space consumed per-package so that must be rather time consuming | 19:41 |
| ptl | a yellow light just blinked and went off | 19:41 |
| lardman | ptl: above your head? | 19:41 |
| ptl | no, on the N900 | 19:42 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:42 |
| lardman | charging light perhaps? | 19:42 |
| ptl | no... battery was more than halfway up | 19:42 |
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| ptl | had to reboot... | 19:42 |
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| ptl | my first ever hangup :/ | 19:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 19:43 |
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| Noobmonk3y | pity, appwatch works ok | 19:44 |
| lardman | I wonder when this next update to Qt 4.6.x will be, lots of apps that require a 15.5Mb download..... | 19:44 |
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| ptl | PR 1.2 will be huge | 19:49 |
| ptl | there's a whole new repository section for it | 19:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:51 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if pr1.1.1 will hit the uk | 19:52 | |
| haltdef | PR? | 19:52 |
| Shapeshifter | humm. | 19:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes Shapeshifter a sheet of words. | 19:54 | |
| ptl | Production Release, I think | 19:54 |
| ptl | it's how they name the updates | 19:54 |
| haltdef | ah | 19:54 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: I think we've already had it....? | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: why thank you :) | 19:54 |
| Shapeshifter | it's just that, as the maemo people kinda took normal keyboard keys and then just made custom keyboard layouts for every version it seems. which is kinda stupid I think | 19:56 |
| * Noobmonk3y blinks | 19:56 | |
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| Shapeshifter | because now that I learned of x2x, I have to press things like altgr-V on my desktop to get a "/". Why didn't they just use normal keyboard layouts and added the n900 keys to the map. | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: for various sorts of we | 19:58 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: no ota for you then? | 19:58 |
| greenfly | I wonder if that's why they are so adamant about making BT keyboards not work | 19:59 |
| lardman | good Lord, 3 axis electronic compasses are bloody expensive | 19:59 |
| flux | lardman, how much? | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: no | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: no, they're not | 19:59 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Cat=1967220&k=HMC5843 | 19:59 |
| lardman | true, but in a form that requires little soldering they seem to be | 19:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | well - you only actually (IIRC) need 5 connections to that one. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | but, yes | 20:00 |
| lardman | no idea how they go from $20 to $200 just by adding tilt compensation | 20:00 |
| lardman | need an accelerometer of course | 20:00 |
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| bigbrovar | I guys.. am about to sell my N900 so I can get a new one (Long story ok ok the old one hsa some dents) I am trying to back up some files like my contacts and conversations (sms, IM etc) How can I do it. AFAIK the N900 does not work with Ovi Contacts in the cloud. and I am on LInux so no Nokia PC Suite for me.. any tip? | 20:02 |
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| lardman | bigbrovar: use the inbuilt backup app? | 20:02 |
| greenfly | ^^ | 20:02 |
| bigbrovar | lardman: does that back up contacts and conservations ? | 20:03 |
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| lardman | yeah, certainly contacts, conversations too I think | 20:03 |
| bigbrovar | lardman: am not sure about the conversations... They is a options that says communications and calendar (not sure if the communications means my sms and IMs ) | 20:04 |
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| bigbrovar | lardman: come to think of it. it doesnt say anything about contacts :( re: N900 backup | 20:05 |
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| lardman | dunno, I always tick all and restore all, and I am pretty sure my conversations come back | 20:05 |
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| lardman | certainly my contacts do | 20:06 |
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| bigbrovar | lardman: same here.. any idea where the db for the conversation thingie is saved.. | 20:10 |
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| andre__ | bigbrovar: ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db ? | 20:16 |
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| bigbrovar | andre__: thanks .. any idea if the backup tool on the N900 also backs up conversation and contacts? am about to sell my N900 to buy a new one and I want to be sure I would have convesation and contacts backed | 20:17 |
| andre__ | conversations: for me it always did. contacts: never tried | 20:18 |
| andre__ | well, back up to external card, reflash device, restore, see results :) | 20:18 |
| andre__ | but I guess it does | 20:18 |
| GAN900 | andre__, lol @ the email thread. | 20:18 |
| reggna | I'm playing around with my new N900, but does anyone know the default user password? And why can't I change it with passwd? | 20:18 |
| andre__ | reggna, default password for what? tried 12345? | 20:19 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, want some popcorn too for watching it? :-) | 20:19 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, corn allergy, I'll stick with the chips. :P | 20:20 |
| reggna | andre__: Just found the answer on the wiki, thanks. :) | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | andre__, I just don't get people. | 20:20 |
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| bigbrovar | andre__: thanks :) | 20:21 |
| andre__ | GAN900: "same here, but I get paid for it" ? :-P | 20:21 |
| andre__ | bigbrovar, np | 20:21 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :) | 20:29 |
| * Shapeshifter wonders if it's a good idea to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the n900... | 20:29 | |
| Noobmonk3y | prob not :) but why not | 20:30 |
| * AndrewFBlack wonders why its so quiet today | 20:30 | |
| Shapeshifter | well if sshd still starts even if X is kaput it's no problem | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | and it should. if this was real linux. | 20:31 |
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| Corsac | Shapeshifter: but you might have problems connecting to network without X | 20:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | lol... typing "Xorg" on the CLI just for laughs says the usual and after that: "Please consult the Nokia support at http://www.nokia.com/" as if that would do any good. | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | Corsac: mhh, right. | 20:33 |
| * Shapeshifter wants to enable the mouse cursor. | 20:34 | |
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| Shapeshifter | there's so much missing on the n900 -.- | 20:35 |
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| ptl | ? | 20:36 |
| ptl | I removed /etc/rc2.d/*ssh and sshd it still starting at the reboot | 20:37 |
| ptl | where do I remove it so it doesn't start automatically? | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | better pick the package apart | 20:37 |
| ali1234 | wait, rc.d? | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | remove /etc/init.d/sshd | 20:38 |
| ptl | no, no, I don't want to remove the initialization script for the ssh daemon. Just unconfigure it from starting up. | 20:39 |
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| ali1234 | well what i *do* know is that it is launched by the X init, not by the normal runlevel control | 20:40 |
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| ali1234 | but as i said, you'll have to pick apart the package to see where it really gets installed | 20:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lardman: stop appearing in my facebook :( | 20:44 |
| andre__ | I want a lardman too in my Facebook! | 20:45 |
| * andre__ adds lardman | 20:45 | |
| Shapeshifter | humm humm, lot's of stuff in /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/ | 20:46 |
| lardman | andre__ ;) | 20:46 |
| ptl | sshd is starting from /etc/event.d | 20:46 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: hey! what's wrong with me! Surely with less exposure on the maemo.org front page you're happy to see me everyday in facebook!? | 20:46 |
| Shapeshifter | ha! and they're all symlinks to transp | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, same here, lolololol | 20:47 |
| VDVsx | now is wazd :D, heheheh | 20:47 |
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| * lardman has now done his Facebook visiting for the year | 20:51 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | :) | 20:52 |
| The_Tall1 | Hi. I'm flashing a N810 hw 0704. Extracted the image and everthing ran fine until "sudo flasher-3.5 -n initfs.jffs2 -f" now no device is found any more. Any hints? | 20:53 |
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| Stskeeps | -n is for initfs? | 20:53 |
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| The_Tall1 | White background with nokia logo and the tool below | 20:53 |
| The_Tall1 | Got that from the wiki | 20:53 |
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| slackmagic | are most of you guys using the standard browser with PR 1.1 or firefox? Just trying to get an idea whether I should get firefox myself | 20:54 |
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| The_Tall1 | Stskeeps:yes to load the initfs | 20:54 |
| * haltdef would want firefox - weave :> | 20:54 | |
| haltdef | ope it can be made to use a custom server though, windows build of fennec only asks for a username and password in the gui | 20:55 |
| Lumpio- | Is firefox still unusably slow? | 20:55 |
| Lumpio- | Weave would be awesome though | 20:55 |
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| Lumpio- | (Althoug having a ginormous history on a phone might also slow it down) | 20:55 |
| sar3th | anyone used dosbox? | 20:55 |
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| Arif_ | moo | 20:56 |
| Arif_ | ! | 20:56 |
| Wild_Doogy | Anyone know how to read accelerometer data via python on the N900? | 20:56 |
| haltdef | I agree! | 20:57 |
| sar3th | :| | 20:57 |
| sar3th | stupid keyboard setup | 20:57 |
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| Shapeshifter | "mv: cannot stat 'transp': Too many levels of symbolic links" what is this supposed to mean? Trying 'mv mynewpointer transp' in /usr/share/icons/default/cursors | 20:58 |
| ptl | Wild_Doogy: it's on the wiki, there are several ways | 20:59 |
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| Wild_Doogy | yay, I have hope. on to the Wiki | 20:59 |
| Wild_Doogy | Thanks | 20:59 |
| ptl | Wild_Doogy: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 21:00 |
| ptl | specifically: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers#Python | 21:00 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Thanks again! | 21:00 |
| ptl | yw | 21:00 |
| The_Tall1 | Can i safely shut down the device or remove the battery? | 21:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh damn | 21:01 |
| Shapeshifter | now it doesn't boot. | 21:01 |
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| lardman | bbiam, need to get rid of WinXP | 21:02 |
| * ioeee saluda o/ | 21:02 | |
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| ptl | :O Shapeshifter | 21:02 |
| ptl | r-d mode then | 21:02 |
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| javispedro | does anyone know the story behind fmradio doing "software" audio routing? | 21:02 |
| javispedro | on the N900 | 21:02 |
| puzzled | hi | 21:02 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: r-d mode? Problem is, I get past puttin in my pin, my boot video shows, and at the end of it the boot process hanged. Now it booted fine. | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | *shrug | 21:03 |
| * javispedro is reading about the audio codec, which seems to have line in -> line out hardware pass through mode like every other sound card. | 21:03 | |
| puzzled | I have an N900 and wonder if the email client supports TLS with self signed certificates? | 21:03 |
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| puzzled | javispedro: I would assume that all sound goes through alsa and/or pulseaudio which both are software components | 21:05 |
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| javispedro | puzzled: yes, that is the current situation -- but why not do that on hw like you'd do on your desktop, specially considering it would save a ton of power, and the audio codec is capable of it. | 21:07 |
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| javispedro | the only answer I can think of is "it would break the speakers" :) | 21:07 |
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| puzzled | javispedro: makes sense although I use Fedora 11, 12 & 13 on my desktops and afaik everything goes through alsa/pulse | 21:08 |
| lardman | javispedro: yes, it is possible to break the speakers with iirc too much bass | 21:08 |
| lardman | sorry, missed the start of the conversation | 21:09 |
| javispedro | lardman: yes, but I'm just noticing that might be the actual issue. | 21:09 |
| lardman | you asking why the bass is not dialled back in the driver rather than using pulse? | 21:10 |
| javispedro | route the fm radio audio via the analog bypass and watch the speakers crumble and self-destroy under the "bassness" of your average local stations. | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | w000t! I got a mouse pointer | 21:10 |
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| davyg | hello i still can't film with my n900, since it says me "Operation failure" when i try to, somebody got this problem ? | 21:10 |
| lardman | ah, fm stuff | 21:10 |
| lardman | davyg: does the camera work for stills? | 21:10 |
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| Noobmonk3y | shapeshifter : a permanent one? | 21:11 |
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| davyg | lardman, what ? | 21:12 |
| lardman | can you take still photos? | 21:12 |
| ptl | ok, what is the recipe? what did you do in xorg.conf? | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: yes!!! but it's kinda hard to trigger. :| I copied a "real" cursor to /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp but after a reboot it still was missing. I googled around and found this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42485&highlight=mouse+pointer from 2007 and it still worked! went to youtube, started a video, clicked on the video, and the cursor appeared :) | 21:12 |
| sar3th | dosbox :| | 21:12 |
| davyg | lardman, yes | 21:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | ccan you take still pictures with it? ie a camera | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | and it's permanent. this is superb. I need to find out an easier way but I love the cursor | 21:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | shapeshifter cool! | 21:12 |
| Wild_Doogy | Yay! Python knows which way is down!!! the possibilities are endless!. | 21:12 |
| javispedro | sar3th: what happens with dosbox? | 21:12 |
| lardman | davyg: what does dmesg show when you see the failure message? | 21:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol doogy! | 21:13 |
| sar3th | javispedro: the keyboard does only work partially | 21:13 |
| lardman | after you see the message even | 21:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I can use my damn mouse to steer the n900. how brilliant is this. | 21:13 |
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| lardman | food time! | 21:13 |
| lardman | bbiab | 21:13 |
| javispedro | sar3th: did you read the readme, or the multiple forum posts about that on talk.maemo.org? | 21:13 |
| davyg | lardman, i look at that, i didn't tought to that, | 21:14 |
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| sar3th | javispedro: well, i couldn't find the readme, and the search function shows many irrelevant hits, so i haven't found the solution yet | 21:14 |
| javispedro | sar3th: "rover.sys" is your keyword here. | 21:14 |
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| sar3th | thanks | 21:15 |
| davyg | it doesn't say a lot of think, no error for sure, active and inactive message about cam_launch end focus | 21:17 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 21:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Noobmonk3y: nooo, the cursor disappears when I launch openttd :'( | 21:20 |
| Arif_ | I found another bug :P | 21:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | awwwwwww sods law!!! | 21:21 |
| Arif_ | when holding the left arrow key in the media player | 21:21 |
| Arif_ | while playing a song | 21:21 |
| Arif_ | it'll skip back from the end of the song | 21:21 |
| sar3th | javispedro: will there be support for other codepages in rover.sys in the future | 21:21 |
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| Scelt | frals: reply via SMS could be nice to have in MMS menu! I think that usually people don't need to reply with MMS | 21:21 |
| javispedro | sar3th: other codepages or other layouts? | 21:21 |
| Arif_ | and it'll go back to the end and continue skipping back :D | 21:21 |
| sar3th | i mean layouts | 21:21 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: if you install the maemo sdk I can tell you how to show the mouse in openttd. | 21:22 |
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| javispedro | sar3th: unfortunately, not, since it's just too much work. In the future I plan to use another method. | 21:23 |
| davyg | nobody ? | 21:24 |
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| sar3th | hm okay | 21:24 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: mh? I have the sdk installed. why? | 21:24 |
| sar3th | the game runs almost perfectly, but it's slow :| | 21:24 |
| sar3th | slow motion mode :P | 21:24 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: cause you have to rebuild openttd to get it to show the mouse pointer; i removed support for it entirely. | 21:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: ahh. what a pity :> | 21:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | nah, not now ;) but thanks | 21:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | but cursors are awesome. Why do people remove them... | 21:25 |
| Shapeshifter | too nerdy | 21:25 |
| javispedro | "/* Don't ever draw the mouse for WinCE, as we work with a stylus */ | 21:25 |
| javispedro | " | 21:25 |
| javispedro | same reason :) | 21:25 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: well, if you update openttd next time, why not include mouse support again? :) | 21:26 |
| ptl | has someone ported extremetuxracer to the N900 yet? | 21:27 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: I saw it in some repo | 21:28 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: but after launching it, the menu was distorted and I couldn't play | 21:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | w0000000p | 21:28 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: because nobody wants a mouse pointer, so I'd have to make it a setting, and more settings is moore work. | 21:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 21:30 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: eeeverybody wants a mouse pointer. they just don't know it yet ;) | 21:30 |
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| * noobmonk3y wants a mousepointer.... :) honest | 21:31 | |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: sooo, what would I need to do in scratchbox to recompile openttd with mouse pointer support? | 21:32 |
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| javispedro | Shapeshifter: sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL, apt-get source openttd, apt-get build-dep openttd, edit openttd-0.7.4/debian/patches/series, remove "hide-cursor" line, cd openttd-0.7.4, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us, install resulting openttd .deb package. | 21:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: thanks! | 21:35 |
| javispedro | sometimes I wish there was a more global, elegant solution. All SDL games suffer from this. | 21:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol :) | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | nice guide though :) | 21:37 |
| noobmonk3y | hmmmmm is there a specific guide to N900 specific terminal commands, or system layout etc? | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | i mean i can pull out ip address etc etc etc, but is there a list of it all? | 21:38 |
| Shapeshifter | but really. for at home this is going to be awesome. I'll need to look into a couple of other things like turning on the screen when going to the n900 with the mouse or the keyboard layout which is a bit weird to get used to when on the desktop. but this all pretty much means that I'll have the laptop on the right, the desktop in the middle, and right below it a tiny n900, all being governed by the same mouse and keyboard :) | 21:38 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:38 |
| FIQ | anyone into compiling (super)tuxkart? | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | unless it's OpenGL|ES, it's much more than "compiling". | 21:39 |
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| FIQ | ahaok | 21:40 |
| FIQ | i'm not much for a developer | 21:40 |
| Shapeshifter | even the mouse wheel works | 21:40 |
| sar3th | :| | 21:42 |
| sar3th | ioquake 3 | 21:42 |
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| sar3th | it works well | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | sar3th: how to exit? | 21:42 |
| sar3th | Shapeshifter: that's my problem right now XD | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | :) | 21:43 |
| sar3th | restarting phone now | 21:43 |
| sar3th | i think you need to bind the menu to some key | 21:43 |
| Shapeshifter | sar3th: I hit every possible key combination and the menu showed up | 21:43 |
| sar3th | it didn't show up for me | 21:44 |
| sar3th | on the other hand, i used my pc's config file | 21:44 |
| sar3th | oh, and i had another problem | 21:44 |
| sar3th | i always turned left :| | 21:44 |
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| Shapeshifter | javispedro: all that worked, except dpkg -i complains: pre-dependency problem: openttd pre-depends on openttd-data (= 0.7.4-1maemo2) openttd-data is installed, but is version 0.7.4-1maemo3. Can I tell apt to just ignore this? | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | Shapeshifter: yes, but an appropiate openttd-data has been built for you too :) | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | so installing it will be a more clean solution :) | 21:53 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: oh it has? | 21:53 |
| javispedro | yes, same directory as the .deb you just installed. | 21:53 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: ahh | 21:53 |
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| Shapeshifter | brilliant. thanks. | 21:54 |
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| pupnik_ | on n900 i can get 62 to 36 percent cpu load reduction while playing http://listen.kaosradioaustin.org/kaos-128 | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | wow! | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Who did you have to kill/ | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | PA | 22:19 |
| pupnik_ | were gonna get that down even further if i can | 22:20 |
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| thresh | :-) | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | that's with mplayer? | 22:20 |
| pupnik_ | y | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | at 250MHz? | 22:20 |
| pupnik_ | forgot the cpu speed locker cmd | 22:21 |
| pupnik_ | cpuinfo says 250 | 22:22 |
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| pupnik_ | for some reason i have reasonable volume atm | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | watch cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state | 22:23 |
| pupnik_ | ty! added an alias for that | 22:25 |
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| pupnik_ | it is great seeing one bar in cpumem applet instead of three | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | Who wanted a Microsoft ebook here? | 22:26 |
| pronto | sure | 22:26 |
| pronto | wait ebook? | 22:26 |
| RST38h | cehteh: You? | 22:26 |
| pronto | nevermind | 22:26 |
| RST38h | cehteh: enjoy: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/midhybrid-20100308-600.jpg | 22:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | time mplayer -ao null -benchmark -endpos 100 http://listen.kaosradioaustin.org/kaos-128 | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | for me wants 33s of user | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | @250MHz | 22:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Which isn't really terrible. | 22:33 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: have you tried microwave transformer on it? | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: higher voltage makes it go really fast | 22:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: echo 250000 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq | 22:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I am at the moment in the process of overclocking my microwave. | 22:36 |
| pupnik_ | yeah but that doesnt measure the PA cpu use | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - my mains voltage is 220 - it's persistantly low. | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: of course not. | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | (and the microwave is rated for 240) | 22:36 |
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| pupnik_ | man it is fun seeing how things perform at 250! can it go lower SpeedEvil ? | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't checked. | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suspect so. | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | There may be constraints. | 22:42 |
| pupnik_ | feels like n810 :) | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - the display controller may not work at nominal clock at under 250MHz | 22:43 |
| pupnik_ | seems like it isnt set up for it | 22:43 |
| * SpeedEvil opens the 3000 page CPU manual. | 22:43 | |
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| pupnik_ | now the sound is super quiet again :(( | 22:45 |
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| pupnik_ | i cant get it up! :( | 22:48 |
| haltdef | lol | 22:48 |
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| * noobmonk3y will be back in a bit | 22:48 | |
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| pupnik_ | lost all audio :( bbl | 22:52 |
| LuserN800 | how do one mount a smb share on a n800? | 22:54 |
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| ptl | LOL | 23:04 |
| ptl | look! the chinese N900! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOW_IaB3S4c | 23:04 |
| N900evil | does it run meego? | 23:06 |
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| sar3th | ptl: "Latest Nokia Style Cellphone" | 23:06 |
| sar3th | ripoff | 23:06 |
| RST38h | ahhahaha | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Runs MTK firmware no doubt | 23:07 |
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| N900evil | why hasn't meego been ported to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 23:08 |
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| RST38h | N900: Nobody needs it there? | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | meego *will* be ported to it, and all those devices | 23:09 |
| ali1234 | might even happen before meego gets ported to the real n900 | 23:09 |
| N900evil | indeed. | 23:10 |
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| pupnik | i found out how to get full volume with pasuspender SpeedEvil ! you start a normal mpayer then pause it - that "holds it open" f then a second one can play bypassing PA at fullvol | 23:10 |
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| N900evil | pa with mpalyr idle seems to use cpu here | 23:11 |
| N900evil | pupnik, oh. the clocking is _ridiculous_ | 23:11 |
| pupnik | ? | 23:11 |
| N900evil | pupnik, well ove 111 pages of the datasheet deal with it. | 23:12 |
| pupnik | i got music wif 1 bar cpu and that makes pupnik HAPPY | 23:12 |
| pupnik | ah | 23:12 |
| N900evil | just do wavs :) | 23:12 |
| pupnik | am avoiding full vol though | 23:13 |
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| N900evil | why? | 23:16 |
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| pupnik | speaker protextion may be disabled | 23:16 |
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| pupnik | should be really | 23:17 |
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| N900evil | ah | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | anyone clever who can help someone install pulse audio tools? | 23:21 |
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| N900evil | I question if it's speaker protection if it doesn't distort. | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | squirrel is haing probs here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=560484#post560484 | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | i cant figure it out :( | 23:22 |
| pupnik | ok totally sound | 23:22 |
| pupnik | broke sound | 23:22 |
| pupnik | you can see a high pass cutoff filter settable in alsamixer | 23:22 |
| pupnik | alsa-utils restart doesnt help | 23:23 |
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| LuserN800 | how do one mount a smb share on a n800? with a default samba install on my debian pc, it's not visible in filemanager | 23:26 |
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| LuserN800 | but I can connect from another pc | 23:27 |
| Markus23 | LuserN800: had enough space on it up to now :-) | 23:27 |
| Markus23 | LuserN800: dont know if all kernel modules are in maemo kernel for that? | 23:27 |
| Markus23 | the kernel is very minimal | 23:28 |
| Markus23 | did not even got NAT working on it | 23:28 |
| LuserN800 | kernel is ok. the ui is minimal.. | 23:28 |
| Markus23 | LuserN800: ok, then you use another kernel then I am using :-) | 23:28 |
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| Markus23 | LuserN800: mine does not have jfs, masquerading,.. | 23:29 |
| LuserN800 | Markus23, the wiki says the latest firmware have support by default | 23:29 |
| LuserN800 | Markus23, ouch for masquerading.. | 23:29 |
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| LuserN800 | I probably could edit fstab but I thought it was possible with the ui | 23:30 |
| Markus23 | LuserN800: thanks for tipp with masquerading, in PR1.1? | 23:30 |
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| Markus23 | I have tried it with that the last time... | 23:30 |
| Markus23 | where did you get that info? | 23:30 |
| Markus23 | LuserN800: fstab is rewritten everytime at boot | 23:31 |
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| * Noobmonk3y grumbles | 23:36 | |
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| * Arif_ throws the N900 media player at Noobmonk3y | 23:36 | |
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| sar3th | lol Arif_ | 23:37 |
| sar3th | you broke it | 23:37 |
| Arif_ | pff | 23:37 |
| sar3th | flac support is not reading my tags now | 23:37 |
| Arif_ | it's broken by design | 23:37 |
| sar3th | :( | 23:37 |
| sar3th | fix it, now :P | 23:37 |
| haltdef | what's wrong with it :o | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | I really have the feeling its written in like 2 hours | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | I accidentally came accross something stupid today | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | play a song and hold the left arrow | 23:38 |
| Arif_ | it'll continiously skip back the same song all the time :D | 23:38 |
| haltdef | is it the only video player that can use hardware acceleration like on modern HTC devices under WM? | 23:39 |
| * haltdef stabs WMP | 23:39 | |
| Arif_ | yes | 23:39 |
| Arif_ | and its a terrible player :P | 23:39 |
| frankS2 | anyone here have a virtualbox image for maemo? | 23:40 |
| frankS2 | I wanna test before buy :D | 23:40 |
| haltdef | not possible for other players to implement hardware acceleration or has nobody got around to it yet? | 23:40 |
| Arif_ | you should get an iPhone :P | 23:40 |
| Markus23 | frankS2: you won't get the touch-feeling :-) | 23:40 |
| frankS2 | hehe | 23:40 |
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| Arif_ | haltdef, I heard mplayer and VLC are working on it... | 23:41 |
| haltdef | that's good to know, it just isn't possible on my x1, no documentation on how to use the gpu | 23:41 |
| haltdef | and the cpu is useless for anything | 23:41 |
| haltdef | good job qualcomm, bastards | 23:41 |
| Arif_ | THIS IS LOONIX POWAH | 23:42 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:42 |
| Arif_ | I.....just have no idea how to use it -.- | 23:42 |
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| * Noobmonk3y blinks.... who throws media palyers!!! | 23:42 | |
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| Arif_ | all the bugs will eat you | 23:42 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:42 |
| haltdef | is vlc and mplayer not really usable atm then or usable just with high cpu usage | 23:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | awwwww.... n900 bug farmer.... lol | 23:43 |
| haltdef | big reason for me wanting to ditch my x1 is for video playback :P | 23:43 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Hey chaps, I may have found a way to make python do a time wait without using 100% cpu to do it. import commands; commands.getoutput("sleep 1") | 23:44 |
| haltdef | 480p x264 mkv, <480p xvid avi I want to play mostly, 576p x264 mkv support would be handy but not too important | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | if you send me some samples I'll try :P | 23:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooooo cool :) nice | 23:44 |
| Arif_ | XviDs work fine in the built in player | 23:45 |
| lardman | Arif_: what are you talking about re hw acceleration? | 23:45 |
| Wild_Doogy | you guys are converting .mkvs to play on the N900? | 23:45 |
| Arif_ | anything below 800x480 should play with high CPU on MPlayer though | 23:45 |
| Wild_Doogy | let me know how that works | 23:45 |
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| haltdef | high cpu but smooth? | 23:45 |
| lardman | anything that uses the gst pipeline will use the hw acceleration | 23:45 |
| haltdef | I was hoping for 720x576 to play :p | 23:45 |
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| Arif_ | 720x576 plays | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | but not smooth | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | :( | 23:46 |
| haltdef | :( | 23:46 |
| Markus23 | Wild_Doogy: please use time.sleep() that hurts | 23:46 |
| haltdef | that's ok, will be rare that I'd want to play those | 23:46 |
| Wild_Doogy | Markus23: true, but it uses 100% cpu while it "sleeps" | 23:46 |
| Markus23 | Wild_Doogy: on n900? | 23:46 |
| Arif_ | I hope for fw updates/Moogo to have better codec support and hardware support | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | +acceleration | 23:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | On my desktop.... I havent checked N900 | 23:47 |
| haltdef | is that something that can be done by the community? | 23:47 |
| Arif_ | I don't know :( | 23:47 |
| Wild_Doogy | testing now | 23:47 |
| lardman | Arif_: what acceleration is currently not being used? | 23:48 |
| haltdef | already miles better than playback on my x1 so far, looking good :p | 23:48 |
| * Arif_ hopes so though :p | 23:48 | |
| Arif_ | the video chip is only used by the built in player | 23:48 |
| Arif_ | and the built in player is written in 2 hours :p | 23:49 |
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| Wild_Doogy | mmmm, this thing gets toasty after a few min @ full burn | 23:49 |
| Arif_ | stop using it as cup warmer :P | 23:49 |
| Wild_Doogy | -warms hands using N900- | 23:50 |
| lardman | Arif_: video chip? what sort of hw acceleration do you think it has? | 23:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:50 |
| lardman | though I don't disagree that it looks like it was written in 2 hrs ;) | 23:50 |
| Arif_ | the N900 has a hw gpu doesn't it :p | 23:51 |
| N900evil | yes | 23:51 |
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| N900evil | several | 23:52 |
| * Arif_ waits for Mplayer to use them | 23:52 | |
| haltdef | not powerful enough to do more than what the built in media player already does with it or something? | 23:52 |
| lardman | but the video acceleration is performed by the IVA part of the DSP | 23:52 |
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| Wild_Doogy | N900evil: several? I didn't know that. | 23:52 |
| Wild_Doogy | sweet | 23:52 |
| lardman | and the gstreamer pipeline uses the DSP (though there may well be room for improvement), and the media player uses gstreamer | 23:53 |
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| lardman | therefore, if a media player uses gstreamer, it will have the same hw acceleration caps as the built in player | 23:53 |
| lardman | now that's not to say that the DSP couldn't be used better and/or that the ARM and DSP codecs couldn't be optimised | 23:54 |
| haltdef | I see | 23:54 |
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| Wild_Doogy | Markus23: you were correct. time.sleep() does not use 100% on the N900. Now to see what ails my Desktop >_> | 23:54 |
| lardman | but it is wrong to say that it doesn't use hw acceleration, despite looking like someone knocked it up in an afternoon (i.e. that's mainly the gui's fault) | 23:54 |
| haltdef | is the inability to play a video of a higher res than the screen a limitation of software or hardware? | 23:55 |
| lardman | both probably | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | I mean to say that only the built in player uses HW acceleration | 23:55 |
| Arif_ | but doesn't support so many codecs | 23:55 |
| lardman | the hw may not be able to decode something of that size, but the limit is probably hardcoded in the DSP codec | 23:55 |
| haltdef | by higher I mean only slightly higher, 720x576 | 23:56 |
| haltdef | slightly higher bitrate to support the higher res too :p | 23:56 |
| lardman | haltdef: there was probably some spec for the codec, and they hardcoded the limit ;) | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | 720x576 XviDs play fine | 23:56 |
| Arif_ | but x264s don't | 23:56 |
| haltdef | hmm! | 23:56 |
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| lardman | Arif_: well yeah, only some codecs are supported by DSP tasks (i.e. hw accelerated), but other players could use gstreamer to decode those in accelerated form too | 23:57 |
| lardman | Arif_: are both decoded on the dsp? | 23:57 |
| lardman | what does the pipeline look like? | 23:57 |
| Arif_ | yeah, that's what I'm hopign to get supported soon | 23:57 |
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| Arif_ | don't get too technical :P | 23:57 |
| lardman | sorry | 23:57 |
| * Arif_ is a simple user =) | 23:57 | |
| haltdef | is the cpu fast enough to software decode ~2500kbps 576p x264? :P | 23:58 |
| Arif_ | haven't tried | 23:58 |
| Arif_ | but I doubt it :P | 23:58 |
| haltdef | my msm72xx device chokes on <480p xvids | 23:58 |
| haltdef | so useless | 23:58 |
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| Arif_ | mplayer already has trouble keeping 512k x264 streams audio/video synced | 23:59 |
| Arif_ | :P | 23:59 |
| lardman | gst also didn't support framedropping iirc, not sure if it does now | 23:59 |
| haltdef | ouch, need some optimizations mebbe? | 23:59 |
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