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| heoa | just wondering how easy it is to break n810 eg with nmap, experiences? | 00:01 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont think you need debian for nmap, screen and vim | 00:05 |
| * ShadowJK has screen on n810 atleast | 00:05 | |
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| ShadowJK | bindkey -d ^@ stuff ^? | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | put that in ~/.screenrc | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | makes backspace work in screen | 00:06 |
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| heoa | ShadowJK: you mean, you can really get a real shell, no .. emulation like on droids? | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | heoa, x-terminal comes installed by default | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | it's a real terminal, although it's busybox sh | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | Once you add the maemo.org extras repository, you can install "rootsh" from the Application Manager, after that you can type "sudo gainroot" to get rootshell. apt-get is installed. | 00:09 |
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| ShadowJK | I take it you don't have an N810? :-) | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | I don't see mutt in the maemo.org repository, but screen, nmap and vim is there | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | There's also a thing called "easy debian" which lets you run full debian in a chroot | 00:11 |
| heoa | ShadowJK: nope but soon have cos many crontabs crawling the internet :P | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | hm? | 00:12 |
| heoa | ShadowJK: looking for a cheap second hand phone but had to have some fun in automating it, too bored in using the online stores manually :) | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | N810 doesn't have gsm/3g | 00:13 |
| ptl | screen, nmap, vim and irssi are there | 00:13 |
| ptl | mutt... good point | 00:13 |
| ptl | heoa: N900 is a real linux, if you're used to Uuntu you'll feel at home | 00:14 |
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| ShadowJK | Well he was asking about N810 earlier :-) | 00:14 |
| ptl | oh, sorry | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | 770, N800 and N810 have no GSM/3G. N900 is the newest and has gsm and 3g. | 00:15 |
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| pupnik | i would still love the n810 but the pressure point and spacing on n900 keyboard is so much better | 00:15 |
| ShadowJK | You can make SIP/VoIP and Skype calls on N810 though | 00:15 |
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| heoa | ptl: "real linux"? Does it mean that n810 is some emulation hack or something else? | 00:18 |
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| ShadowJK | heoa, N810 is "real linux" too | 00:21 |
| heoa | ptl: using Mutt in n810? | 00:22 |
| heoa | ShadowJK: have to get it then quickly | 00:22 |
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| ptl | heoa: it means that it is linux, just compiled for ARM. Not like e.g. Android that is heavily modified, no X, no GTK+, no QT | 00:23 |
| pupnik | it uses an arm cpu so you dont run x86 distros... | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | heoa, you know that N810 isn't a phone, right? :) | 00:23 |
| ptl | heoa: I am not using mutt right now, but it wouldn't be a bad idea :) | 00:23 |
| ShadowJK | N810 has X and GTK | 00:23 |
| ptl | yeah | 00:23 |
| ptl | N810 is a real linux | 00:23 |
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| heoa | ptl: so you can get it just through apt-get? | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | Install rootsh from application manager to get root, open x-terminal, "sudo gainroot", apt-get install screen | 00:25 |
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| heoa | ShadowJK: "apt-get install mutt" meant? | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | mutt isn't in the repositories :/ | 00:27 |
| heoa | ShadowJK: well can you compile from sources? | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well in theory you can install gcc, some have done this | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | but the root filesystem / is a bit small for it, so it's easier to do it with the SDK | 00:29 |
| ptl | heoa: yes | 00:31 |
| ptl | ShadowJK: it should be easy to compile it | 00:31 |
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| ptl | hey, what's the best PC Suite replacement in linux? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | ssh | 00:32 |
| * Arkenoi never used pc suite | 00:32 | |
| Arkenoi | even with symbian | 00:32 |
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| heoa | ptl: $ apt-get source mutt; $ cd dirMutt; $ make ; ready? | 00:33 |
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| ptl | heoa: apt-get source mutt; cd dirMutt; dpkg-buildpackage ; cd .. ; maemo-optify-deb mutt-xxx-armel.deb. Ready | 00:34 |
| ptl | maemo-optify-deb just moves some files around to better integrate in the maemo filesystem hierarchy | 00:34 |
| ptl | it's a 79-line shell script, not rocket science... | 00:35 |
| heoa | ptl: ShadowJK Thank you. | 00:39 |
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| ptl | yw | 00:40 |
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| ShadowJK | maemo-optify isn't relevant for N810 | 00:41 |
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| pupnik | nice - adding libavcodec and 52omap3430-dsp-libraries-ti broke media player mp3 playback | 00:42 |
| Arkenoi | btw there are "pidgin protocols for contacts and conversations" and "extra protocols for contacts and conversation" which seem to support similar protocol set. Is it safe to delete one of those, and which one? | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | hey javispedro \o | 00:54 |
| javispedro | hello lcuk | 00:54 |
| javispedro | enjoying the gles book? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | :) | 00:55 |
| lcuk | not have a chance today | 00:55 |
| lcuk | i hve the multi texture example running tho | 00:55 |
| lcuk | need to learn how it used shaders properly tho | 00:55 |
| javispedro | ah, interesting | 00:55 |
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| bnhw | Just plunged into OpenGL ES 2 myself : ) | 00:56 |
| * lcuk wants to see how easy rgb yuv shader based conversion would work | 00:56 | |
| javispedro | I've now seen it done more than once | 00:57 |
| lcuk | yeah me too | 00:57 |
| lcuk | would be nice to see how quickly it can be done | 00:57 |
| lcuk | and whether it will run on a 1.1 | 00:57 |
| javispedro | considering it would eat quite a bunch of bandwidth | 00:58 |
| javispedro | ... dunno. | 00:58 |
| javispedro | but maybe you get tearfree rendering at least :) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | i have it! | 00:58 |
| javispedro | with xv, I know | 00:58 |
| lcuk | i think | 00:58 |
| javispedro | that's why I am saying that :) | 00:59 |
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| lcuk | im thinking of taking the normal rgb framebuffer and squashing it through | 00:59 |
| lcuk | its the job the IVA on the n810 should be used for | 00:59 |
| javispedro | ah, the IVA :S | 00:59 |
| lcuk | on 900 its less practical because the pvr is in use | 01:00 |
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| lcuk | and would cause its own bottlenecks to render itself then also render rgb->yuv | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | I think xvideo sneaks past the pvr | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | it does | 01:00 |
| lcuk | just a mind exercise but would like to see how much power is behind the shader calculators | 01:00 |
| javispedro | omapfb also does afaiu | 01:00 |
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| ShadowJK | is there more than one shader? :) | 01:01 |
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| javispedro | hm.. I never tried, but I wouldn't assume more than one. | 01:01 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, graphics cards on larger machines have hundreds of shader cells, i dunno how many are on this chip actually | 01:01 |
| javispedro | another texture unit... | 01:01 |
| javispedro | the iphone had two iirc | 01:02 |
| ShadowJK | I think my graphics card in my desktop has 64 | 01:02 |
| javispedro | (sorry I am talking from an API/logical PoV, dunno about the real hw) | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | whois 74.125.4.25 | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 01:12 |
| javispedro | god | 01:14 |
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| lbt | jebba: ping | 01:25 |
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| jebba | lbt: pong | 01:28 |
| lbt | you were wondering about builders... | 01:28 |
| jebba | si? | 01:28 |
| lbt | anything in particular? | 01:28 |
| lbt | you have an OBS up and running iirc | 01:29 |
| jebba | Well, i know it's OBS. What distro/release are they running it on? And can I have copies of the configs :) | 01:29 |
| jebba | And the current rootfs they are using ;) | 01:29 |
| lbt | so I can talk about what I'm doing with OBS | 01:29 |
| jebba | ok | 01:29 |
| lbt | which isn't quite meego | 01:29 |
| jebba | mkay | 01:30 |
| lbt | but that should get clarified this week | 01:30 |
| lbt | it's all converging :) | 01:30 |
| lbt | base distro is opensuse 11.2 | 01:30 |
| jebba | perhaps writeup to list? Even a short status update about it would be most welcome by many, i assume. :) | 01:30 |
| jebba | oh noes, but ok. | 01:30 |
| lbt | yeah - so that would be an interesting place to look at porting... | 01:30 |
| lbt | and I was going to ask if you were doing anything around that? | 01:31 |
| lbt | there's an ubuntu port of the worker | 01:31 |
| pupnik | lbt finally something one can think about concretely | 01:32 |
| jebba | oh, i dont feel like porting OBS to a .deb, if that's what you're asking. If you mean porting things to OpenSUSE/rpm/thereabouts, i've started a bit already. | 01:32 |
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| lbt | I did mean that - it's a packaging job and would allow OBS to be easily run on more machines without an 11.2 VM install needed | 01:32 |
| jebba | But you have and OBS building arm .rpms at this point? | 01:32 |
| lbt | not that many of us need that | 01:32 |
| lbt | I don't | 01:33 |
| lbt | I'm building x86 rpms and arm .debs | 01:33 |
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| lbt | there is ARM work happening but I know nothing :) | 01:33 |
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| jebba | ya, so at this point i'm mostly in a holding pattern :) | 01:34 |
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| lbt | pretty much - but you can rely on OBS 1.7 being the builder | 01:34 |
| lbt | and as soon as it appears you can see the prjconf | 01:35 |
| lbt | I personally don't see any of this yet internally | 01:35 |
| jebba | ok, thx nice to know :) | 01:35 |
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| lbt | I'm allowed to say I'm the obs architect for the maemo internal obs though | 01:36 |
| lbt | so we're developing things like LDAP integration, access control etc | 01:36 |
| jebba | cool | 01:37 |
| jebba | OBS + openid would be nice | 01:37 |
| lbt | sounds like a plan - I'm waiting for the SSO proposal | 01:37 |
| lbt | I'm still asking meego.org OBS people about the public obs too | 01:37 |
| jebba | i also think OBS+utility computing / cloud computing would be a great combo. | 01:37 |
| lbt | <grin> it's interesting | 01:37 |
| lbt | I wish I had time | 01:37 |
| jebba | gotta have public OBS. | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | lbt: openntpd is in extras | 01:38 |
| lbt | yeah - I want policy on that | 01:38 |
| lbt | eg if nokia have a closed api/lib | 01:38 |
| lbt | can I build on the meego obs and link it | 01:38 |
| lbt | ie is there a finnish quarter ;) | 01:38 |
| jebba | heh | 01:38 |
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| Arif_ | good evening! | 01:39 |
| lbt | I mentioned it in the meego meeting - the sub-area comments etc | 01:39 |
| lbt | not heard a proper answer | 01:39 |
| lbt | o/ Arif_ | 01:39 |
| Arif_ | sup \o | 01:40 |
| GAN900 | lbt, probably isn't one. ;) | 01:42 |
| lbt | true GAN900 | 01:42 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, which is half the problem of the whole damn thing, but oh well. | 01:45 |
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| wizkoder | UniTrans[14297]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed | 01:52 |
| wizkoder | UniTrans[14297]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget | 01:52 |
| wizkoder | UniTrans[14297]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - Can't set a parent on a toplevel widget | 01:52 |
| wizkoder | I get this in all my programs. Is it normal? (In scratchbox) | 01:52 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: are you prefixing it with 'run-standalone.sh'? | 01:53 |
| wizkoder | yes | 01:53 |
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| wizkoder | my hello world runs but gives out this messages too | 01:54 |
| swc|666 | can someone pastebin their /etc/modprobe.d/maemo.conf ? </favor> | 01:55 |
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| bnhw | swc|666: pastebin.com/2S2Ai40c | 01:57 |
| bnhw | swc|666: Uh, first line is missing an 'a' at the start | 01:57 |
| swc|666 | bnhw, many thx! | 01:58 |
| wizkoder | when I try to run the "qt gui application" the qt creator always creates which does nothing except opening a window. I get. "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: 14952 Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$@" | 01:58 |
| wizkoder | " | 01:58 |
| wizkoder | Isn't it crossplatform? Puzzled what could be wrong here | 02:01 |
| wizkoder | Are the installed qt libs wrong? What could I do next? | 02:02 |
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| bnhw | wizkoder: Maybe something's wrong with your scratchbox setup | 02:05 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Wish I knew more about it :| | 02:05 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: Okay. Time to try reading the setup document again | 02:07 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Did you do a manual install? | 02:08 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: Installed it by hand yes | 02:08 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: following the description on maemo.org step by step. and changed nothing so far | 02:13 |
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| bnhw | wizkoder: Hmm, well, something must be up if example code is segfaulting | 02:16 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: I would like to be sure that its that problem. Should the example code that qt creator spits out for a simple qt application run without changes? | 02:20 |
| bnhw | Want to send the code over and I'll check it out? | 02:20 |
| bnhw | Theoretically it's cross-platform | 02:20 |
| bnhw | Oh, also, are you running in FREMANTLE_ARMEL or FREMANTLE_X86 environment? | 02:21 |
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| wizkoder | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: | 02:23 |
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| wizkoder | should it be ARMEL? | 02:25 |
| bnhw | No, X86 for running in Xephyr | 02:25 |
| bnhw | hmpf | 02:25 |
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| wizkoder | Just created a new project. saying I want a qt application. Runs instantly on my desktop. But in scratchbox I get the segmentation fault | 02:26 |
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| bnhw | Sorry, having to download qt4 dev stuff | 02:30 |
| [Evan] | Does anybody know how many applicants Maemo got last year for GSoC 2009? | 02:32 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: QT app ran fine over here | 02:33 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: thats strange. So its my environment. | 02:36 |
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| wizkoder | installed the qt dev libs with: "fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-dev" | 02:40 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Sounds fine | 02:40 |
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| l7 | what program do you typically use to backup a maemo install from your sd card? | 02:42 |
| l7 | i'm wondering if tar would be sufficient | 02:42 |
| swc|666 | the backup app? | 02:42 |
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| l7 | not the data | 02:43 |
| l7 | but a backup of the OS | 02:43 |
| l7 | i try to keep my data and the OS seperate actually | 02:43 |
| bnhw | l7: you could use dd to get an image of the disk | 02:44 |
| swc|666 | have u looked at the backup app? if not then something like rsync | 02:44 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: This was my tutorial: http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/14/maemo-5-sdk-add-repositories-install-qt-and-deploy-our-first-app-in-the-emulator/ | 02:44 |
| wizkoder | and the app there works | 02:44 |
| swc|666 | or dd as bnhw saud | 02:44 |
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| l7 | bnhw: yeah i was trying to do that before actually | 02:45 |
| swc|666 | s/saud/said/ | 02:45 |
| l7 | the install is 300mb on a 7gb partition though | 02:45 |
| infobot | swc|666 meant: or dd as bnhw said | 02:45 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: did you install by these guidelines? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 02:46 |
| l7 | and i only have a fat partition handy avaiable as a backup target right now | 02:46 |
| l7 | next time i will keep my OS partition under a gig | 02:46 |
| l7 | i guess i could give grsync a go | 02:47 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: yes | 02:47 |
| bnhw | l7: If you don't want/can't have a byte-perfect copy then backup app is probably better. You can use it to backup your list of installed packages | 02:48 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: reading though again to see if I missed something | 02:48 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Are you on a non-debian distro? | 02:49 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: kubuntu 9.10 | 02:49 |
| l7 | would "tar -cvpzf /tmp/backup.tar.gz -–exclude= --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media /" be appropriate? | 02:49 |
| l7 | it's actually cribbed from ubuntu's backup page | 02:49 |
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| l7 | tar -cvpzf /tmp/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media / | 02:50 |
| l7 | actually | 02:50 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Why not try the installer? | 02:51 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: It's possible that the manual instructions are broken | 02:52 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: jts have seen that I forgot to add the extra repos. inserted that and updating. maybe I got an old version? | 02:53 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Could be! | 02:54 |
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| pupnik | nice to see conversation i cant begin to follow | 02:56 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: hrrrg. now my system is broken. I get now: "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_i386.h:132: error: impossible constraint in 'asm'" | 02:57 |
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| bnhw | wizkoder: That doesn't sound good | 02:59 |
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| wizkoder | bnhw: do you have that line in your sources.list: "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free"? | 03:04 |
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| wizkoder | inserted that. updated. and nothing works anymore :-( | 03:05 |
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| bnhw | wizkoder: Uh, no. Did you add this to the X86 environment? | 03:06 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: yes. I did | 03:06 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Those are ARM binaries in the extras repository | 03:06 |
| wizkoder | damn ;-) | 03:06 |
| wizkoder | Is there a way back? | 03:07 |
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| bnhw | wizkoder: Maybe with some apt/dpkg magic | 03:09 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: But I'm no magician :| | 03:10 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: I'm afraid I've gotta dash now. Going to a workshop with Mitch Altman tomorrow! Good luck with your scratchbox. | 03:11 |
| wizkoder | bnhw: guess will start all over tomorrow | 03:11 |
| bnhw | wizkoder: Try using the installer? | 03:11 |
| wizkoder | will | 03:11 |
| bnhw | : ) | 03:11 |
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| crashanddie | who the fuck is mitch altman? | 04:22 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 04:23 |
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| redeeman | the python packages, in extras, they are all optified and stuff right? | 04:44 |
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| ptl | where do I get the battery level via commandline? | 06:36 |
| ptl | cat /proc/...? | 06:36 |
| ptl | I am searching on wiki.maemo.org | 06:38 |
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| ShadowJK | hal-device bme | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | for battery | 06:47 |
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| ptl | no /proc or /sys ? | 06:50 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:29 |
| Termana_n810 | Stskeeps - good morning | 07:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ick, nothing to get you awake than a well-written phishing about your danish CC | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | when you're abroad and need the CC for your well-being :P | 07:33 |
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| Termana_n810 | Stskeeps - ha ha. yes, i don't think that would turn out to well. | 07:34 |
| Termana_n810 | too* | 07:34 |
| ptl | it had you startled, it seems. How did you notice it was a phishing scam? | 07:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ptl: well, first off, there was no contact # number and no secure website to do it, and third, the card bureau in .dk doesn't know me on my uni email | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | and second, downloaded html file and ran it through 'more' :P | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | and the fact they speak of accounts and not cards :) | 07:38 |
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| LiraNuna | what screen protectors are you guys using | 07:47 |
| LiraNuna | for the N900, that is | 07:47 |
| sulx | none | 07:50 |
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| lucent | LiraNuna: Zagg InvisibleShield | 07:54 |
| lucent | I like it. | 07:54 |
| lucent | I've heard some other people say it was the worst screen protector they've ever used. | 07:55 |
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| Vratha | hi | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | min Stskeeps | 07:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin | 07:55 |
| LiraNuna | lucent, hmm, I only read bad reviews on Zaag | 07:56 |
| lucent | yeah | 07:56 |
| lucent | well I own it and use it, and I will NOT use another screen protector product | 07:56 |
| lucent | the "grippy" feel is unique for the Zagg | 07:56 |
| lucent | I really like that. | 07:56 |
| LiraNuna | grippy feel? | 07:56 |
| lucent | it's not a simple static cling poly sheet | 07:57 |
| lucent | hmm... it's like a bit of clear elastic | 07:57 |
| lucent | there's a kind of rubbery grip feeling for the Zagg | 07:57 |
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| lucent | LiraNuna: installing a Zagg is really the problem | 07:58 |
| lucent | once it is installed -correctly- it will never come off without you trying like mad to peel it off | 07:58 |
| lucent | so you only need one, there's no sense installing a new screen protector or three every few weeks | 07:59 |
| sulx | theres no sens installing any protector... | 07:59 |
| lucent | the N900 screen scratches easily. | 07:59 |
| sulx | it does? Mine has none | 08:00 |
| lucent | it really does, for those of you who do not experience scratches on a naked N900 screen, I say you are taking pretty calm approach to a device that is portable | 08:00 |
| LiraNuna | sulx, 550$ device, 10$ screen protector | 08:01 |
| LiraNuna | you do the math... | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 40$ replacement touchpanel | 08:01 |
| sulx | so you would buy new DEVICE if its just screen that has been scratched? | 08:01 |
| sulx | screen usability suffers huge impact with protector | 08:02 |
| sulx | so not worth it | 08:02 |
| lucent | it's not so dramatic, sulx | 08:02 |
| LiraNuna | that's personal taste | 08:02 |
| sulx | yup | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:02 |
| lucent | I was annoyed for about 2 weeks and then I adapted | 08:02 |
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| lucent | even with the "grippy" Zagg | 08:03 |
| sulx | I had zagg for about 2 weeks also... | 08:03 |
| sulx | keeping it in a empty pocket helps a lot =) | 08:05 |
| ShadowJK | not much difference in usability with durasec | 08:05 |
| ShadowJK | though it scratches instantly :D | 08:06 |
| sulx | aah durasec! | 08:06 |
| sulx | thats what I had...not zagg | 08:06 |
| lucent | there's a rather large difference between Zagg and most everything else I've seen and used | 08:06 |
| lucent | it's not like Zagg is better | 08:07 |
| lucent | ...though, I prefer the Zagg | 08:07 |
| uhsf | i got the clarivue clear protector and it's very good but i couldn't stand small bubbles beneath it so i'm using raw screen carefully now | 08:09 |
| lucent | the bubbles disappear with a Zagg, but the thing that bothers me even now are the dust particulates that were trapped between the screen protector film and the screen | 08:10 |
| lucent | when the backlight is off you'd never notice it | 08:10 |
| lucent | turn the back light on and all these little hair-like shadows are everywhere | 08:10 |
| Vratha | so, i'm quite confused about this. i can mount my vfat-formatted microsd from the command-line, and file manager sees that i have a memory card, but when i try to access it from the file manager, it keeps saying it's unsupported | 08:12 |
| Vratha | any of you had a problem like that while being able to clearly mount it from the command line? | 08:12 |
| crashanddie | "knowlegezone.com" ... Oh the irony | 08:12 |
| crashanddie | hey Vratha, what's up? | 08:12 |
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| Vratha | hi crashanddie | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: haven't you heard you're supposed to apply protectors either in a cleanroom, or in your bathroom while shower with hot water is creating nice dust | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/dust/fogg/ | 08:13 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: lucent: haven't you heard you're supposed to apply protectors either in a cleanroom, or in your bathroom while shower with hot water is creating nice fogg | 08:13 |
| uhsf | i agree with cleanroom | 08:14 |
| lucent | yeah | 08:15 |
| lucent | who does that though? | 08:15 |
| uhsf | didn't think about foggy bathroom before. i might order a new set and try the foggy bathroom | 08:15 |
| uhsf | i think i have obsessive compulsive tendencies, these protectors wanted to drive me insane | 08:17 |
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| crashanddie | I think you suffer from paranoia rather than OCD if you honestly believe that plastic sheets of plastic are trying to drive you insane. | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | s/plastic // | 08:22 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: I think you suffer from paranoia rather than OCD if you honestly believe that sheets of plastic are trying to drive you insane. | 08:22 |
| lucent | s/// | 08:22 |
| * lucent taunts infobot | 08:22 | |
| crashanddie | ~tell lucent about death | 08:23 |
| Vratha | man | 08:23 |
| Vratha | bluemaemo is kind of annoying | 08:24 |
| Vratha | i can use it for keyboard and mouse input, but i can only do it through the onscreen input | 08:24 |
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| crashanddie | how so? | 08:24 |
| cehteh | i never tried, how does the mouse work, as absolute touchpad? | 08:24 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: yeah | 08:25 |
| Vratha | hmm, didn't test if it was absolute | 08:25 |
| Vratha | let me see | 08:25 |
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| crashanddie | 20 minutes for a page to load :( | 08:25 |
| cehteh | would be funny to use the accelerometer to detecht movements on a plain surface, aka using the n900 like a normal mouse :P | 08:25 |
| Vratha | that would suck | 08:25 |
| crashanddie | it doesn't work very well | 08:26 |
| cehteh | its a toy anyway :P | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | don't forget that mice pointers work through a combination of speed and distance | 08:26 |
| Vratha | no, i would actually use this | 08:26 |
| Vratha | not the mouse part, but definitely the keyboard portion | 08:26 |
| crashanddie | speed is hard to calculate based on accelerometer data | 08:26 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: if the surface is plain you can calculate speed and distance, but horribly inprecise | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the LIS302 isn't sensitive enough for such kind of low accel inertial | 08:27 |
| Vratha | cehteh: no, the bluemaemo mouse is not absolute | 08:27 |
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| Vratha | just tested | 08:28 |
| cehteh | sure, i only talking about some fun toy, not useful beyond a "because we can" demo | 08:28 |
| cehteh | Vratha: like a normal touchpad then | 08:28 |
| Vratha | yes | 08:28 |
| cehteh | the thing i disabled on my laptop because i dont like it :P | 08:28 |
| cehteh | this laptop has trackstick too .. | 08:28 |
| cehteh | and once i've written the trackstick emulation for the xorg synaptics driver :P | 08:29 |
| cehteh | old laptop had no trackstick | 08:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only semi-usable thing you can do with accelmeter and mousepointer is a direct relation (orientation of accelmeter)->(absolute position of pointer) | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | for a full slide of pointer from one end of screen to the other you probably want to tilt the sensor device by at least 90° | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | -45°=left border, 0°=middle, +45°=right border | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | same for up/down | 08:36 |
| Vratha | so, back to N900s and microsd cards | 08:38 |
| Vratha | anyone have a vfat-formatted microsd that you can manually mount from the command line but file manager keeps saying "Memory Card Format Unsupported"? | 08:38 |
| cehteh | that doesnt surprise me | 08:39 |
| cehteh | the script trying to mount it is quite braindead | 08:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I wouldn't call it braindead | 08:39 |
| Vratha | if you know the location of the script, i could take a look | 08:40 |
| Vratha | also, my n900 is retarded when i hook it up to my Mac via USB | 08:40 |
| Vratha | it keeps creating a new network device with a different Mac | 08:40 |
| ShadowJK | /usr/sbin/mmc-mount maybe | 08:40 |
| Vratha | with a different MAC | 08:40 |
| Vratha | so my mac keeps thinking it's a new device | 08:40 |
| Vratha | i had that fixed on my last install, but now i can't find the help i used to resolve that. think it was some udev rules file | 08:41 |
| Vratha | if any of you know | 08:41 |
| cehteh | /etc/event.d/rcS-late creates the fstab | 08:42 |
| cehteh | dunno if it cares for sd card too | 08:43 |
| ShadowJK | fstab isn't used for sd mounting | 08:43 |
| Vratha | how do you know that? i wouldn't have guessed to check /etc/event.d (didn't know it existed) | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got 3 partitions on a 16GB uSD: 14GB VFAT, 1.5GB ext3, 500MB swap. works flawlessly so far | 08:44 |
| cehteh | grep i've rewritzen it all ext3 here | 08:44 |
| Vratha | DocScrutinizer: straight out of the box with the latest version of maemo? | 08:44 |
| Vratha | latest version of the nokia maemo, that is | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (and even boots SHR-U ;-] ) | 08:45 |
| ShadowJK | /usr/sbin/mmc-mount | 08:45 |
| arachnist | shr-u? | 08:45 |
| Vratha | i was also wondering what shr-u is | 08:45 |
| cehteh | can be the that uSD is handled elsewhere | 08:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: well, errr... yes | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: a distro for OM freerunner | 08:46 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: who calls that? | 08:46 |
| * ShadowJK shrugs | 08:46 | |
| ShadowJK | ke-recv maybe? | 08:47 |
| cehteh | ah yes | 08:48 |
| Vratha | oh | 08:48 |
| Vratha | this is annoying | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a mess | 08:49 |
| * cehteh just removed the nokiaisms, reformatted to ext3 and mount the partitions statically at boot .. done | 08:49 | |
| Vratha | well, i'd rather just get it working without going around the barn to do it | 08:50 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 08:50 |
| infobot | ~pong | 08:50 |
| cehteh | mhm i think i forgotten to remove ke-recv from te boot it still lingers around waiting for nothing | 08:50 |
| cehteh | Vratha: how is your uSD formatted | 08:50 |
| arachnist | cehteh: you formatted the internal flash with ext3? | 08:51 |
| Vratha | cehteh: 1 partition, vfat | 08:51 |
| cehteh | VFAT on the device .. or one single partition containing the VFAT? | 08:51 |
| ShadowJK | iirc people add a || mount -t auto type thingy to he script to make their ext3 cards automount.:) | 08:51 |
| arachnist | as in, the one which contains the / and swap by default? | 08:51 |
| cehteh | arachnist: the emmc yes | 08:51 |
| arachnist | cehteh: you know that this was a rather bad idea? | 08:51 |
| cehteh | not the root, thats still ubifs of course | 08:51 |
| arachnist | oh | 08:51 |
| cehteh | arachnist: the MyDocs part | 08:52 |
| cehteh | arachnist: i know what i am doing | 08:52 |
| arachnist | :) | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: swap for sure no ext3 | 08:52 |
| cehteh | would it be possible to run ext4 on top of the ubi block layer? | 08:52 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: dont | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | arachnist: also swap is on eMMC while / is on NAND | 08:53 |
| ShadowJK | even if it worked, it's a bad idea | 08:53 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: actually i even considered that .. swap files are as fast as partitions since ages .. having swap on one big ext3 would give advantage of broader wear leveling and eat less static space | 08:53 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: sure thats a bad idea, but i even wonder if it will actually work | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ack | 08:54 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: probably not | 08:54 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 wants a block device | 08:54 |
| cehteh | ubi provides some kind of block device | 08:55 |
| cehteh | (bekow ubifs) | 08:55 |
| cehteh | on top of mtd | 08:55 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: the better question would be: can you run ubifs on ubi on block2mtd on emmc/uSD? | 08:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: though I'd guess wear leveling is done in eMMC controller, independently of any partitioning or file or inode | 08:55 |
| cehteh | that would be awful too as long emmc has no raw access | 08:55 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: yes it is but someone told me that it only spans relative small areas | 08:56 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: well I dunno. block2mtd can emulate eraseblocks, so I'd set it to 256k or 512k | 08:56 |
| cehteh | so writes rotate over some megabyte big areas but not around the whole device | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that will not change by using a swapfile | 08:57 |
| ShadowJK | hopefully LogFS is merged soon and hopefully we can get recent linux to work on n900 again.. | 08:57 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i'd use a swap daemon then which creates swapfiles on demand | 08:57 |
| arachnist | DocScrutinizer: i didn't say that swap is ext3. that'd be rather impossible | 08:57 |
| cehteh | 'swapspace' works kinda well | 08:57 |
| ShadowJK | I would not worry about swap wearing out the device. not enough bandwidth :) | 08:58 |
| cehteh | hey a friend of me once managed to make his ufs (on BSD) a swap ... accidentally ... lmao :P | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ufs? | 08:59 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yeah that calculation made me think too .. even if you write at full speed constantly it will take some time to wear it out | 08:59 |
| cehteh | BSD's normal filesystem (like whats ext3 for linux) | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 09:00 |
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| Vratha | ugh | 09:00 |
| Vratha | if i manually mount the uSD, i can see its contents in file manager | 09:00 |
| cehteh | yeah the filemanager shows any extra mounts | 09:01 |
| Vratha | if i then umount it, file manager still shows the uSD, but going into it causes "Memory card format unsupported" | 09:01 |
| cehteh | when i sshfs to the laptop it sees that too (at least when i mount it on /media/laptop .. didnt figured out the mechanics there yet) | 09:01 |
| cehteh | lol | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: cache | 09:02 |
| * ShadowJK 'd add some debug output to the mmc mount script to see if it's called and if the mount works or doesn't, and if it doesn't try do the same mount from shell to see why it fails | 09:02 | |
| Vratha | DocScrutinizer: no | 09:02 |
| Vratha | this card showed up like that before i ever did any mount | 09:03 |
| cehteh | Vratha: is there data on the uSD? | 09:03 |
| cehteh | i mean valueable one? | 09:03 |
| Vratha | no | 09:03 |
| cehteh | if not just reformat it from the device | 09:03 |
| cehteh | then it should be recognized | 09:03 |
| Vratha | already have | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: you possibly by any chance lost the little magbet holting the kickstand? | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: you possibly by any chance lost the little magnet holding the kickstand? | 09:04 |
| cehteh | hehe | 09:04 |
| Vratha | no | 09:04 |
| cehteh | yeah that could cause it :P | 09:04 |
| cehteh | Vratha: you put the back cover back on it? | 09:04 |
| Vratha | if that was a problem, i wouldn't have been able to mount it manually | 09:04 |
| Vratha | which i said i did | 09:05 |
| Vratha | then umounted | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about that | 09:05 |
| * cehteh neither | 09:05 | |
| Vratha | anyway, it's not the problem | 09:05 |
| Vratha | the SD card isn't even recognized if the cover is off | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess mount gives a shit about state of hotswap-detector | 09:05 |
| cehteh | Vratha: speaking about cover on | 09:06 |
| cehteh | the automatic mounting/unmounting is triggered by removing or applying the cover | 09:06 |
| cehteh | not by inserting the card | 09:06 |
| Vratha | okay. it isn't the cover | 09:06 |
| Vratha | i know | 09:06 |
| Vratha | i just said that | 09:06 |
| cehteh | ok | 09:06 |
| cehteh | well dunno then | 09:07 |
| cehteh | did the card worked before? .. whats its capacity? | 09:07 |
| Vratha | no, it iddn't work | 09:07 |
| Vratha | 16GB | 09:07 |
| Vratha | the card is fine | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be borked | 09:07 |
| Vratha | jesus people | 09:07 |
| cehteh | maybe its just not fully compatible with some curft which tries to recognize it | 09:08 |
| Vratha | i said i manually mounted it earlier and used it | 09:08 |
| cehteh | yeah and .. i give a shit about manual .. the nokiaisms are so much borked and make unneccessary assumptions about some stuff | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: if it has timing issues, then you'll not see a deterministic behaviour | 09:08 |
| ShadowJK | how about add some debug | 09:09 |
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| Vratha | DocScrutinizer: it's deterministic. if i manually mount, it works. if i try to have file manager do its thing, it doesn't work | 09:09 |
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| Vratha | ShadowJK: yeah, i'd love to do that. not sure where logs are kept or how to add debug | 09:09 |
| cehteh | i wont wonder if the thing which tries to mount it expects some special blocksize and vat parameters which your card fails to support | 09:09 |
| cehteh | the linux kernel prolly doesnt care .. but the nokia daemon fails on that | 09:10 |
| Vratha | i mean, i would expect /var/log, but they only have a single file | 09:10 |
| ShadowJK | only if you install syslog | 09:10 |
| Vratha | oh, i'll install that | 09:10 |
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| Vratha | cehteh: what is the name of the nokia daemon(s)? and how did you find out this information? | 09:11 |
| Vratha | would love to have some docs on it | 09:11 |
| cehteh | haha .. we too :P | 09:12 |
| cehteh | intuition, grep, sacrifice a virgin ... | 09:12 |
| ptl | only if she's ugly | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware you easily can *mount* /dev/xyz1 as vfat, even when the actual filesystem lives on a partition /dev/xyz1p1 | 09:13 |
| ptl | let the beautiful virgins survive, puh-lease. | 09:13 |
| Vratha | DocScrutinizer: i know. but i didn't do that | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh | 09:13 |
| ShadowJK | it checks that partition type is fat | 09:13 |
| Vratha | oooooh | 09:14 |
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| Vratha | well, i can manually run that | 09:25 |
| Vratha | mounts fine | 09:25 |
| Vratha | i hate File Manager, and i don't see it printing anything new to the logs | 09:25 |
| crashanddie | anyone seeing anything wrong with this regex? !(?:http|https)://(?:[a-z0-9\-_]+\.)+[a-z]{2-5}(?:|\.[a-z]{2})/[a-z0-9\./%&=\?#\-_]+!i | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahahahaaaa | 09:27 |
| Vratha | what exactly do you want to do with the regex | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a regex??? | 09:30 |
| Vratha | yes | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, so what's the meaning/semantics of !(?: forex? | 09:31 |
| flux | ! and ! appears to be a pair, with i being a flag | 09:31 |
| Vratha | (?:...) groups without capturing | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ffs | 09:32 |
| flux | in any case, I can't get that to match anything.. oh well. | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you'd know what it's *supposed* to do, you might be able to decrypt it | 09:33 |
| Vratha | looks like he just wants the 2-letter domain roots | 09:33 |
| Vratha | plus a couple more chars | 09:33 |
| Vratha | don't know why | 09:33 |
| Vratha | oh wait; that was also in a (?: | 09:34 |
| Vratha | well, without knowing the purpose of the regex or what the problem is, can't say i see anything wrong with it | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well what's definitely wrong with it: it's utterly ugly and illegible. | 09:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggets things like :alnum: | 09:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | :lower: | 09:39 |
| cehteh | mhm .. i need a couch with buildin espresso machine .. | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's paradox :-P | 09:40 |
| cehteh | yeah ... but hey i have to go to the kitchen to make coffee :P | 09:40 |
| cehteh | brb | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you won't need the couch after that ;-D | 09:41 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: ! is used instead of / | 09:43 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: considering there's a lot of slashes in the regex itself, so I don't have to escape the whole thing | 09:43 |
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| crashanddie | Vratha & DocScrutinizer: the point is to match any basic URL. Whether it's .com, .info, .co.nz, etc. Also, I need to grab the document + arguments and anchors | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I'd start like !https?\:// | 09:45 |
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| crashanddie | why escape :? | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for fun :-) | 09:46 |
| crashanddie | good point about the https though | 09:46 |
| crashanddie | the (?: is to define a group without having it show up as a selector | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (?:| looks odd | 09:51 |
| arachnist | that emoticon looks like a regex | 09:52 |
| arachnist | oh, it is a regex | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now I'm getting tired of regex \:\-\) | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :\-P{1:1} | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: !https?://(?:[a-z0-9\-_]+\.)+[a-z]{2-5}(?:\.[a-z]{2})?(?::[0-9]{2,5})?/?(?:[a-z0-9\./%&=\?#\-_]+!i | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | better nao :) | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | I'm going to hate myself in 6 months when I need to debug that | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hat's the whole point | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | Regex is such a temporary knowledge | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | you understand it for about 2 weeks | 09:55 |
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| crashanddie | and then you can shove a sasquatch up your bottom | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr {2-5} ? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that s/-/:/ ? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you stated, temporary knowledge | 09:57 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: eh? | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | oh, should be 2,5 | 09:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | {2:5} rather than {2-5}? | 09:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or even , - yeah | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | yeah, i typoed while typing it over | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | why the (?: around the (?::[0-9]{2,5}) ? | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg | 10:02 |
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| crashanddie | for what it's worth: http://slexy.org/view/s2uy29pqgw | 10:02 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: to group it so I can ? it | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, seen | 10:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doesn't really make sense to me though, as I still fail to get the intention | 10:04 |
| crashanddie | allows the port to be provided if it's non-default | 10:05 |
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| crashanddie | for example www.example.com:1234/whatever | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so obviously this part >(?::[0-9]{2,5})?/?< is false in semantics of last two chars | 10:06 |
| crashanddie | why? | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | http:foo:666az09 | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | http:foo:666/az09 | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 10:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://foo:666/az09 | 10:08 |
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| crashanddie | well spotted | 10:09 |
| crashanddie | just changed it to (?::[0-9]{2,5})?(?:/|/[a-z0-9... | 10:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders what http://foo:99999 will get you - afaik port range is not up to 10^6-1 | 10:14 | |
| crashanddie | don't care about that | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://foo:0 also an interesting thing to test ;-P | 10:15 |
| ptl | is PR 1.2 out yet?Z | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | ptl: YES | 10:15 |
| ptl | yes??? | 10:15 |
| ptl | how do I get it? | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | ptl: throw your N900 in the toilet | 10:15 |
| crashanddie | new delivery system | 10:15 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 10:15 |
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| ptl | ok, did that. What now? | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | flush! | 10:16 |
| ShadowJK | havent all releases so far started on a monday? | 10:16 |
| crashanddie | however, you'll have to kill a 3 month old chicken and smear its blood on a Citroen 205 while walking in counter-clock-wise direction with your eyes closed | 10:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ptl: nokia will upgrade it for you, and deliver back to you via gas pipe | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: is that a way of telling him to shove it? | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | "gas pipe"? | 10:18 |
| ptl | DocScrutinizer: wow, that's original, but I get my gas via caskets, not pipe | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, too bad | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | ok, going to get food, laters | 10:18 |
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| sivang | hi all | 10:28 |
| sivang | man the scratchbox download takes ages | 10:28 |
| sivang | Can't we host it ona more throughput able server? | 10:28 |
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| ptl | sivang: no, you have to feel the pain of waiting, to give it proper value. | 10:34 |
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| Termana_n810 | kkb110 - random much? | 11:10 |
| Termana_n810 | :P | 11:10 |
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| * ioeee saluda o/ | 12:25 | |
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| ShadowJK | uh oh. gartner says 10.5million tablets will be sold | 12:27 |
| ShadowJK | the same gartner that predicted billions of itanium | 12:27 |
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| * SpeedEvil bought 350 tablets today. | 12:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | (multivitamins) | 12:28 |
| cehteh | hehe .. itanium tablets :P | 12:29 |
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| tarlan | hello | 12:51 |
| tarlan | hello Milo | 12:51 |
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| * ptl weeeeeee!!! | 12:58 | |
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| jacekowski | is it possible to configure n900 to be able to recieve messages from unauthorised contacts | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | on jabber | 13:02 |
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| Robot101 | it should already be able to - on gtalk the server prevents that though | 13:04 |
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| jacekowski | well i have my own jabber setrver | 13:07 |
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| jacekowski | and i was flooded with messages when i started psi on my PC | 13:07 |
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| Robot101 | ? it can't have been connected on your N900 then | 13:08 |
| Robot101 | it's not possible to selectively recieve messages like that - not anything the N900 does anyway | 13:09 |
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| jacekowski | well, all messages that came from unauthorised contacts were left on server | 13:11 |
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| Robot101 | which server is this? | 13:11 |
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| jacekowski | ejabberd 2.1.2 | 13:12 |
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| jacekowski | gnu excludes social | 13:12 |
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| Robot101 | jacekowski: that's pretty weird, could you come back tomorrow and ask about it on #telepathy when the devs are around? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | and includes dead cheese smell ;) | 13:13 |
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| sgbirch | is there a discussion of rpm vs deb for meego? I would like to post a survey | 13:14 |
| rzr | sgbirch: a survey is on i think | 13:15 |
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| rzr | sgbirch: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44597 | 13:17 |
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| salmonellaz | hi | 13:21 |
| salmonellaz | hi | 13:22 |
| rzr | sgbirch: bookmark this http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a_Debian_Packaging_working_group#Misc | 13:22 |
| sgbirch | rzr thanks | 13:24 |
| pupnik | do you think meego should have a community with easy porting of linux software? or a walled "linux garden" like iphone, android | 13:25 |
| pupnik | bsd, whatever | 13:25 |
| sgbirch | I really dont want to downgrade to rpm again | 13:25 |
| sgbirch | meego should be open of course, with git repos IN ONE PLACE for all open code | 13:26 |
| sgbirch | man ... maemo got so close, but kept screwing up the fundamentals | 13:26 |
| cehteh | hehe one-place somehow perverts the idea of distributed revision control :) | 13:27 |
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| sgbirch | no | 13:27 |
| * SpeedEvil wtfs at packaging fanbois. | 13:27 | |
| sgbirch | LOL Not really, the one place is the location of the masters, the ones pushed to the phone | 13:27 |
| sgbirch | all development can be full distrubuted, but is has to come together at some point | 13:28 |
| sgbirch | just like all debian code is in one place, dead easy to grab | 13:28 |
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| rzr | sgbirch: debian servers are mirrored :) | 13:34 |
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| Bobatron | anyone about thats done opengl stuff on the n900 (in c)? | 13:45 |
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| villager | sure | 13:52 |
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| n00bmonk3y | lcuk2 - are you alive and around? :D | 14:00 |
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| madduck | can i not install perl on the n900/freemantle? | 14:10 |
| madduck | perl: Depends: perl-modules (>= 5.8.3-3osso11+0m5) but it is not installable | 14:11 |
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| n00bmonk3y | madduck - dont know much about perl, but take a look at this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34321&highlight=perl | 14:13 |
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| pupnik | crashanddie: what is a good candidate solution for security cams and push-to-n900 | 14:18 |
| crashanddie | pupnik: mind qualifying that a bit more? | 14:19 |
| pupnik | something that can send motion alerts via message or video over network/3g | 14:20 |
| pupnik | looks like ip cams with integrated motion sense/push are sensible | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | yeah, they're your best bet | 14:22 |
| madduck | n00bmonk3y: thanks, that sent me to http://wiki.maemo.org/Perl and there i learnt to just add the SDK APT repository | 14:22 |
| pupnik | nothing exotic - just "hey something moved, here is the cam link" | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | you can get them pretty cheap, they include a webserver, you can easily program hooks and stuff | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: there are quite nice wrappers round 'motion' | 14:22 |
| pupnik | got some joker setting fire to summa my stuff | 14:22 |
| crashanddie | automatically send out emails, they ftp something directly to a server, can email you the link | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: composite cameras can be lots cheaper than ip - if appropriate | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: and linux capable USB input sticks are $8 | 14:23 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: I used a few in one of my projects during final year, I can probably get you modelnumbers and pricing information within a few days | 14:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also more sensitive | 14:24 |
| pupnik | yeah the composite with a mess of inputs and ADCs is an option | 14:25 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone know how to make this busybox ash save the history after every command? Like putting export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -n; history -a" in .bashrc for bash. | 14:29 |
| fnordianslip | Shapeshifter: Install bash? | 14:30 |
| Shapeshifter | fnordianslip: so, busybox doesn't support that? | 14:31 |
| fnordianslip | dunno, i installed bach | 14:31 |
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| fnordianslip | bash, even | 14:31 |
| Shapeshifter | fnordianslip: any problems with bash so far? | 14:32 |
| fnordianslip | i haven't set it for root, only user, but no probs so far | 14:32 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 14:33 |
| fnordianslip | had it like that for about 3 months | 14:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | Mh, and how can I change the colors for this X Terminal? .Xdefaults doesn't seem to work. | 14:37 |
| Shapeshifter | and googling didn't yield anything. surprisingly | 14:37 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5796&stc=1&d=1263445528 but it seems to be possible. | 14:38 |
| fnordianslip | xterm text colours on Maemo5? Use Font options in menu? | 14:39 |
| t-tan | Shapeshifter: every serious shell user should install bash or zsh and the *-gnu utils. busybox sucks | 14:39 |
| fnordianslip | are the gnu-utils packages ok? optified? | 14:40 |
| Shapeshifter | fnordianslip: mhh. thanks. but there's only foreground/background | 14:40 |
| Shapeshifter | fnordianslip: but that's most important. | 14:40 |
| Shapeshifter | t-tan: okay. zsh? last time I checked it didn't have zsh. | 14:40 |
| * Shapeshifter checks again | 14:40 | |
| * madduck wants zsh-beta | 14:42 | |
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| t-tan | fnordianslip: yep, optified | 14:43 |
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| fnordianslip | getting quite tight on rootfs space again here | 14:43 |
| t-tan | IIRC ruskie ported zsh | 14:44 |
| t-tan | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie | 14:44 |
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| t-tan | gnu-tools are coreutils-gnu, findutils-gnu, sed-gnu, grep-gnu | 14:45 |
| wazd | is there any unified address to access activated m5 theme on the device? | 14:46 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh. his own repo. | 14:46 |
| Shapeshifter | why not just extras-devel | 14:46 |
| t-tan | bash is in SDK, gnu-tools in extras-testing | 14:46 |
| Shapeshifter | t-tan: I meant zsh by ruskie | 14:46 |
| t-tan | don't know why he didn't push it to extras | 14:47 |
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| dregin | is there any way of displaying my last 4 or 5 emails in a widget? | 15:00 |
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| joppu | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/array-theme/0.5/ Anyone care to test this for a little while? | 15:00 |
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| ruskie | t-tan, Shapeshifter because I don't really like the /optification crap | 15:02 |
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| t-tan | ruskie: with echo none > debian/optify you can disable the craptification...err..optification | 15:12 |
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| * n00bmonk3y grumbles.... debugging is seriously not fun :( | 15:41 | |
| fnordianslip | its more fun if there are no bugs | 15:43 |
| n00bmonk3y | yeah :) - there awsnt... now i'm getting GTK Errors on a pyQT app not using GTK | 15:44 |
| n00bmonk3y | wasn't* | 15:44 |
| n00bmonk3y | Figured out if i import GTK - app works with a warning | 15:45 |
| n00bmonk3y | if i dont import i get a segmentation fault | 15:45 |
| fnordianslip | eek. i'm trying to edge into gui app development with qt but haven't really got close to starting yet. | 15:47 |
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| fnordianslip | what does your app do? | 15:48 |
| ruskie | t-tan, I simply don't run it through maemo-optify-deb :) | 15:49 |
| n00bmonk3y | healthcheck :| | 15:49 |
| n00bmonk3y | learning to code though, so gonna have to learn how to debug :D | 15:49 |
| ruskie | t-tan, I also have gcoreutuls and gtar since I prefer binary prefixed not installed to yet another crap location | 15:49 |
| fnordianslip | can it tell if the usb socket has fallen out? | 15:49 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol :P - not yet | 15:49 |
| fnordianslip | hey, it could keep a log of accelerations to prove that the device wasn't mishandled :) | 15:50 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol good idea - app to record sudden movements ;) | 15:51 |
| t-tan | ruskie: my new versions have both bin/g* prefix and bin/gnu/* without prefix. the latter is very useful if you don't want to modify sane scripts | 15:51 |
| t-tan | ruskie: the "none" disables the optify step on autobuilder | 15:51 |
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| t-tan | ruskie: does "rm -i" work with your version? it segfaults with mine. could be a libc problem | 15:54 |
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| ruskie | works fine | 15:55 |
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| t-tan | ruskie: ok, thanks. so I'll upgrade to a later version than 7.4 | 15:56 |
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| The_Tall1 | Has anybody else here killed his/her N810 testing a bluetooth service? I've got two now | 15:58 |
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| n00bmonk3y | grrrrrrrr | 16:14 |
| n00bmonk3y | whittled down my seg fault to one line | 16:15 |
| n00bmonk3y | and it really isnt helpful | 16:15 |
| n00bmonk3y | app = QtGui.QApplication(sys.argv) | 16:15 |
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| davyg | hello i still have a probleme with my n900 when i try to film something it says me "échec de l'opération"(=operation failure ?), it's juste chan i push the button to film, i can take photos without problem | 16:23 |
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| n00bmonk3y | :| | 16:26 |
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| * n00bmonk3y is about to give up... gtk is persistent... yet i can find no trace of gtk in my code :( | 16:32 | |
| Arif_ | someone hid it in there | 16:32 |
| Arif_ | ;P | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | n00bmonk3y: learn to debug? | 16:33 |
| Arif_ | or rewrite the whole app | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | I think learning how to debug will be a better investment for future use | 16:34 |
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| davyg | nobody has an idea someone has spoken that it can be linked with audio but i don't know how to get the app using the sound system | 16:35 |
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| n00bmonk3y | :) | 16:38 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol crashanddie - i agree entirely | 16:38 |
| n00bmonk3y | just hard.... | 16:38 |
| n00bmonk3y | and lol Arif_ - i added gtk to a qt app... but finally learnt how to do it properly, and seem t ohave screwed myself | 16:38 |
| n00bmonk3y | Irony is it works fine for me... just not for lcuk | 16:39 |
| n00bmonk3y | (i only get a warning) | 16:39 |
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| Arif_ | stop mixing weird things with eachother | 16:40 |
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| Arif_ | what are you writing anyway :D | 16:42 |
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| n00bmonk3y | lol trying to stop mixing things :P | 16:44 |
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| n00bmonk3y | writing healthcheck - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 | 16:44 |
| Arif_ | someone should write a fart app | 16:44 |
| Arif_ | :p | 16:44 |
| n00bmonk3y | :D will put that on my todo list | 16:45 |
| n00bmonk3y | 'pull my finger' it shall be called | 16:45 |
| Arif_ | yay | 16:45 |
| Arif_ | you could call it "Appstore Clone" | 16:46 |
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| n00bmonk3y | haha :P | 16:47 |
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| aLopliii | hi | 16:59 |
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| n00bmonk3y | heya | 17:00 |
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| aLopliii | Hi, i need a help on which is better OS version for usability for 770 | 17:02 |
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| aLopliii | y | 17:04 |
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| n00bmonk3y | ooo sorry i have no idea :) | 17:06 |
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| * Arif_ wonders when N900 users will ask that | 17:13 | |
| Arif_ | :P | 17:13 |
| * haltdef wants one | 17:14 | |
| d14 | :) | 17:15 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol | 17:15 |
| haltdef | msm7200a WM device to cortex A8 maemo 5 .. hopefully I'll be blown away | 17:15 |
| * n00bmonk3y goes to wrap xmas presents ;) | 17:16 | |
| Arif_ | in March? | 17:16 |
| Arif_ | can I have some too? | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | this is the most ghetto-style email I have ever sent | 17:17 |
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| crashanddie | I just sent a project status update through telnet/smtp because gmail won't load | 17:18 |
| haltdef | get paid end of the month for the first time, will be the most money I've had in one place ready to blow on whatever I want :p | 17:18 |
| haltdef | (first job) | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | haltdef: put 10-20% on your savings account | 17:18 |
| haltdef | yea | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | haltdef: and congrats on the first job | 17:19 |
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| haltdef | thanks :p | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | haltdef: do you pay rent or are you still living at your parents'? | 17:19 |
| haltdef | parents | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | ok, defo make that 20% :P | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | don't blow it all at once, show your parents you can manage your money | 17:20 |
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| crashanddie | for the first two months, be very humble with your money, don't buy a new sound system, get your MOT done on the car | 17:20 |
| haltdef | don't have a car | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | after that, you'll be free like a bird | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | they won't ever bother you again | 17:20 |
| haltdef | they don't bother me now :P | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | no, but they will if you live with 'em, make money, don't pay rent, and buy stupid crap :P | 17:21 |
| haltdef | I will be paying them rent, more than fair amount though | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | ok, fair enough | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | can I ask how much of your wage is going towards rent? | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | How much do you pay for transport? | 17:22 |
| Arif_ | whats your job? :P | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | (percentage, don't care about actual values) | 17:22 |
| haltdef | £250 or so for rent, £100/mo or so on transport .. not a clue how much I'll be earning a month, taxes and stuff | 17:23 |
| haltdef | and I stack shelves at a supermarket | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | take 20% off your gross | 17:23 |
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| crashanddie | or google "uk tax calculator" | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | put in your gross, it'll spit out your net | 17:23 |
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| crashanddie | haltdef: there's a golden rule to follow: there's 3 main expenses for any worker. Transport, rent/mortgage and food. The way to do it is to split them in 3 (30% each). The 10% that are left over go into savings | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | Just setup monthly wirings from your checking to your savings, so you're not tempted to "skip it this month" | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | seriously, the amount of cash you can get just by putting a tenner or so in a savings account is massive | 17:26 |
| Arif_ | crashanddie has bad experience with money? xD | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | Arif_: far from it | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | Arif_: I just know how tempting it is to blow a fat wad of cash on your first paycheck | 17:26 |
| haltdef | mm, gonna be very careful with my monies .. seen the mess my parents got themselves into | 17:26 |
| Arif_ | heh | 17:27 |
| haltdef | but if there's £499 left over it's going to nokia :P | 17:27 |
| Arif_ | as a student I don't have transport costs | 17:27 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly if haltdef was on #unrealircd.. | 17:27 | |
| haltdef | yes, I thought I might run into you here :P | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | damnit | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:27 |
| * Arif_ eats goverment money :D | 17:27 | |
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| Stskeeps | haltdef: got yourself a n900? :P | 17:28 |
| Arif_ | apparently being visually disabled has its advantages after you're 18 ! :P | 17:28 |
| haltdef | not yet | 17:28 |
| haltdef | only recently realized I want one, was pleased with my xperia x1 until I got this job | 17:28 |
| haltdef | absolutely useless for video playback, good job qualcomm | 17:29 |
| Arif_ | heh | 17:29 |
| Arif_ | you should wait for the N900 succesor | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | haltdef: what job? :P | 17:29 |
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| haltdef | supermarket | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:29 |
| crashanddie | ok, last fag and then to bed | 17:29 |
| Arif_ | haltdef watches movies while stacking goods | 17:29 |
| Arif_ | :D | 17:29 |
| haltdef | spent 18 months unemployed looking for something non-shit, that isn't going to happen | 17:29 |
| haltdef | nah I wanted to just watch a bit of tv while waiting for trains and buses | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:30 |
| Arif_ | what OS does that run on | 17:30 |
| haltdef | my htc universal did a great job of videos, doesn't even have a GPU | 17:30 |
| haltdef | windows mobile | 17:30 |
| n00bmonk3y | Arif_ - last years xmas pressies - delayed delivery :D | 17:30 |
| Arif_ | lol | 17:30 |
| * Arif_ used coreplayer on WM | 17:31 | |
| haltdef | mmhmm | 17:31 |
| haltdef | not a lot coreplayer can do when all it can decode with is a painfully slow cpu | 17:31 |
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| haltdef | be fine if there was gpu acceleration | 17:31 |
| Arif_ | I kinda miss it on maemo though | 17:31 |
| Arif_ | reencode your movies to 200Kbit :P | 17:31 |
| Arif_ | at 320x240 :D | 17:32 |
| * haltdef cringes | 17:32 | |
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| haltdef | x1 is wvga | 17:32 |
| Arif_ | I want KMPlayer with hardware decoding | 17:33 |
| Arif_ | buffering a TV stream takes like a minute | 17:33 |
| Arif_ | and if it stutters the audio/video gets desynced | 17:33 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 17:33 |
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| haltdef | :< | 17:35 |
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| haltdef | most I'd want to play on it is a 576p x264 in mkv | 17:35 |
| Arif_ | the N900 can't do that either | 17:35 |
| Arif_ | :p | 17:36 |
| haltdef | yea, that'd be rare | 17:36 |
| haltdef | mostly 480p x264 or much lower resolution xvid | 17:36 |
| Arif_ | not the warezed mkvs I threw at it at least | 17:36 |
| Arif_ | :( | 17:36 |
| haltdef | would they have been 720p? | 17:36 |
| Arif_ | no | 17:37 |
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| Arif_ | those 60MB TV reencodes | 17:37 |
| haltdef | .. 60MB? | 17:37 |
| haltdef | how long were they, 4 minutes? | 17:37 |
| Arif_ | 22 :P | 17:37 |
| haltdef | oh dear god | 17:37 |
| haltdef | those can't look good | 17:37 |
| Arif_ | I usually watch 175MB rips on the phone | 17:37 |
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| Arif_ | and 720ps on the PC :P | 17:38 |
| haltdef | that's what I'd do, I can't stand most xvid dvdrips though, messing with the resolution for no good reason | 17:38 |
| haltdef | places you can get encodes that are the same res as the dvd, 720x576 for PAL :p | 17:38 |
| haltdef | 2mbps bitrate or so, depends on the source | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | I mostly stream my TV card | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | but KMPlayer can't cope with higher than 384 video in H.264 format | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | :P | 17:39 |
| haltdef | oh nice, what software do you use on the pc side to do that? | 17:39 |
| Arif_ | DVBViewer+Recording Service that uses VLC as streamer | 17:40 |
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| haltdef | is the built in media player on the n900 no good then? | 17:40 |
| Arif_ | the built in player doesn't support it at all | 17:41 |
| Arif_ | :) | 17:41 |
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| Arif_ | maybe because it's in a TS container | 17:41 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: it seems we can't evade the IRC people. | 17:41 |
| haltdef | w00t :o | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | haltdef: learnt any kind of programming language yet? :P | 17:42 |
| haltdef | no | 17:42 |
| n00bmonk3y | :P | 17:42 |
| haltdef | hrm, I guess xchat on maemo can be configured to connect to multiple servers on start? | 17:44 |
| haltdef | be nice not having to faff with rdp and use mirc, gets a bit painful over gprs | 17:45 |
| Arif_ | there's a vnc viewer | 17:45 |
| Arif_ | with no rightclick ! | 17:45 |
| Arif_ | :P | 17:45 |
| haltdef | vnc ftl | 17:46 |
| haltdef | use rdp on my x1 now, nice over 3g | 17:46 |
| haltdef | vnc .. isn't. | 17:46 |
| Arif_ | it's hard to use with no stylus and no zoom feature | 17:46 |
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| haltdef | yea I couldn't use a capacitive device | 17:47 |
| * Arif_ refuses to pay €7 for a new stylus | 17:48 | |
| haltdef | ouch | 17:48 |
| * SpeedEvil found old stylus :) | 17:49 | |
| * Arif_ waits till DX has N900 styli :P | 17:50 | |
| haltdef | so what's this n900 sucessor? not heard anything about it | 17:50 |
| Arif_ | there isn't one yet | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | we don't know anything, but we're pretty happy with n900 | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:50 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 17:51 |
| w00t | why would you not be | 17:51 |
| * haltdef wants a nice bulky phone | 17:51 | |
| Arif_ | haltdef, get an iPhone! | 17:52 |
| haltdef | htc universal was the perfect size, it hasn't had a successor though :( | 17:52 |
| haltdef | vga, no hsdpa or edge, no gpu, no gps | 17:52 |
| Arif_ | iPhone has a GPU and GPS | 17:52 |
| Arif_ | :O | 17:52 |
| Terje1 | haltdef, how about a Psion 5mx design with a built-in phone? | 17:52 |
| Arif_ | and it's lower than VGA :D | 17:53 |
| haltdef | HVGA and keyboardless :< | 17:53 |
| Arif_ | 480x320 or something | 17:53 |
| Arif_ | forgot | 17:53 |
| Arif_ | it also has a half eaten apple on the back | 17:53 |
| Arif_ | everyone seems to love it :P | 17:53 |
| Terje1 | Arif, lower resolution is just fine 95% of the time. | 17:53 |
| haltdef | the pda I had in 2003 was VGA, don't get why so many devices use such a crap res | 17:54 |
| Arif_ | does it really matter on such small screens | 17:54 |
| haltdef | yes | 17:55 |
| Terje1 | Only when viewing photos can you see any difference. | 17:55 |
| haltdef | videos :p | 17:55 |
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| Terje1 | On videos you won't notice any difference. | 17:55 |
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| Terje1 | High resolution just makes it difficult to tap on things. | 17:56 |
| satmd | only if not done right | 17:57 |
| Kegetys | what does the resolution have to do with that? | 17:57 |
| satmd | same with 'high resolution makes text hard to read"... ofc... if you don't tune the dpi | 17:57 |
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| Terje1 | Kegetys, encourages usage of small elements. | 17:58 |
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| Terje1 | satmd, of course I don't adjust dpi. I don't like twiddling. | 17:59 |
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| Arif_ | yeah | 17:59 |
| Arif_ | VNC viewer needs a zoom feature | 17:59 |
| Arif_ | :P | 17:59 |
| Arif_ | and XChat needs bigger buttons | 17:59 |
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| lindi- | Arif_: gvncviewer has zoom | 18:03 |
| lindi- | Arif_: (no idea if maemo has that) | 18:03 |
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| TurkuaZ | nasýl kurarým linux ? | 18:05 |
| TurkuaZ | How do I set up linux | 18:06 |
| haltdef | Stskeeps, do the turks just follow you around or something? :P | 18:06 |
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| TurkuaZ | What do you haltdef | 18:07 |
| andre__ | TurkuaZ, you're in the wrong IRC channel, maybe? | 18:07 |
| TurkuaZ | Which channel Giricek andre__ | 18:08 |
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| red | TurkuaZ: well first you need to pick which distribution you wish to use | 18:08 |
| red | and find that channel | 18:08 |
| red | this one is for Maemo, used in Nokia mobile phones for example | 18:09 |
| red | if you have never used linux before, I suggest heading into http://www.ubuntu.com/ and #ubuntu | 18:09 |
| TurkuaZ | thanks red | 18:10 |
| red | hf | 18:10 |
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| Arif_ | I don't know him and I don't have anything to do with him... = P | 18:13 |
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| haltdef | hrm, hope weave on mobile firefox will let you use a custom server | 18:17 |
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| haltdef | nowhere to do it through the gui on the windows build | 18:18 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/.404.html | 18:31 |
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| pvanhoof | MohammadAG, you'll like Marvin too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Paranoid_Android | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 18:37 |
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| pvanhoof | Read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I think the guys who made that 404 were inspired by marvin :) | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | thought it'd never end lol | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | oh well, back to mounting the rootfs.jffs2 file | 18:39 |
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| MohammadAG | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ubifs' :/ | 18:45 |
| * Arif_ wonders what MohammadAG is doing | 18:46 | |
| Arif_ | :P | 18:46 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, trying to mount the rootfs image from a FIASCO image to get the PR1.0 keyboard files | 18:47 |
| Arif_ | ={ | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | Arif_, this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40619 :) | 18:48 |
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| Arif_ | oo | 18:49 |
| Arif_ | better vkb | 18:49 |
| Arif_ | maybe it'll be fixed in PR1.2! | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | they broke it by intention, why would they fix it | 18:49 |
| Bactius | Damn how nostalic this feels. I haven't been using irc for at least 12 years. | 18:50 |
| Arif_ | or else we'll stab Nokia with a fork! | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Arif_: pitch, or dinner? | 18:50 |
| Arif_ | pitch | 18:50 |
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| Arif_ | I don't want evil Nokia on my eating fork :p | 18:51 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 18:51 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 18:51 |
| wizkoder | how can I deinstall the maemo sdk? | 18:51 |
| Bactius | Hi wizkoder. Using debian? | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | rm -r /scratchbox | 18:51 |
| wizkoder | kubuntu 9.10 | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | rm -rf /scratchbox | 18:52 |
| wizkoder | I renamed /scratchbox to /scratchbox_old. But when I start the installer I get errors | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | which say? | 18:53 |
| wizkoder | E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: Installer execution failed | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: ----- Begin logging exception ----- | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | Traceback (most recent call last): | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | File "maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2921, in run | 18:54 |
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| wizkoder | task() | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | File "maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py", line 2460, in __taskInstallScratchbox | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | raise Exception("Installer execution failed") | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | Exception: Installer execution failed | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: ----- End logging exception ----- | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | V [11:54:18 07.03.2010]: Executor set exit status to (status_error) | 18:54 |
| wizkoder | E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | try sudo apt-get autoremove scratchbox* | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | though I doubt it installs anything like that... | 18:55 |
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| wizkoder | Found it. When I start the installer when scratchbox is still there it asks if I want to uninstall | 18:57 |
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| wizkoder | I updated my packages yesterday inside scratchbox. then nothing works anymore! never do that! | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | wizkoder, how exactly did you update | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | fakeroot apt-get upgrade works well here | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | dist-upgrade might break it though | 18:59 |
| wizkoder | fakeroot apt-get update && fakeroot apt-get upgrade | 18:59 |
| wizkoder | after that I got "asm" errors | 19:00 |
| wizkoder | Now I will need another whole day to reinstall everything :-( | 19:00 |
| Bactius | doh >_< | 19:02 |
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| franz_mobile | hey, anyone here might know why aren't downloads working on microb for me? | 19:26 |
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| franz_mobile | no matter the sitw/file/folder I'm saving stuff too, progress just stays on 0% | 19:26 |
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| franz_mobile | whoops quit xchat accidentally | 19:28 |
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| Bactius | franz: I haven't tried downloads from microB yet. Will try immediately | 19:29 |
| franz_mobile | they were working until a while ago, my first guess would be permissions, but it all seems normal... | 19:30 |
| Bactius | and it's not certain connections or sites? | 19:32 |
| NoobMonk3y | hmmm how do you view the user list in xchat? | 19:33 |
| wazd | Damn, I need that armor for paintball games :D http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3015/nanosuit2statuegamescom.jpg | 19:33 |
| franz_mobile | I don't think so, it happened on two different sites right now... | 19:34 |
| franz_mobile | microb works with rapidshare right? :P | 19:34 |
| Bactius | what kind of files are you downloading? | 19:34 |
| franz_mobile | right now a .zip | 19:35 |
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| Bactius | have you been testing with other files? | 19:35 |
| franz_mobile | no... hmm, maybe I should try testing it all before asking for help | 19:37 |
| Bactius | yes, I'm just trying to isolate the problem :) | 19:38 |
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| franz_mobile | hmm, let me try a couple more things then, be back later if it still doesnt work | 19:40 |
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| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, in all your dist investigations for maemo, did you writeup any notes on the maemo startup process | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk2: first recently i got into fremantle, but i don't have notes | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | just in my head | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | so shoot with any questions | 19:52 |
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| lcuk2 | i will have to work out the questions first, theres a few things that could do with shifting around | 19:53 |
| * NoobMonk3y thinks stskeeps has a very impressive big head :) | 19:53 | |
| Stskeeps | NoobMonk3y: no, i'm a maemo.org *master, it's required to contain it :P | 19:54 |
| NoobMonk3y | lol :) | 19:54 |
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| lcuk2 | Stskeeps, i will be looking indepth tomorrow at the startup and what happens before during and after upstart | 19:55 |
| lcuk2 | and any special modes and considerations it currently runs | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk2: OK, i'll probably be fairly busy with meetings here in hel tomorrow but feel free to mail me any | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | start at preinit and getbootstate | 19:56 |
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| lcuk2 | yeah ofc | 19:56 |
| * lcuk2 has some special sunglasses so eyes dont get stung from looking inside the tardis | 19:56 | |
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| lcuk | NoobMonk3y, how long does it take your app from submit to extras-devel request to being told there is a .deb available? | 19:58 |
| NoobMonk3y | lcuk about 50 mins | 19:58 |
| lcuk | mmn i thought that had gonnen much quicker | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | you know the cleaning process that occurs with old versions | 19:59 |
| lcuk | i just pondered then whether debs could be rebuilt on the fly, but it would probably be hard | 19:59 |
| NoobMonk3y | yeah.... tis avail for upgrade at about 6 mins tho | 19:59 |
| lcuk | especially knowing the time | 19:59 |
| lcuk | ahh thats ready then | 19:59 |
| lcuk | i wonder.. | 19:59 |
| NoobMonk3y | hehe. not at home at the mo though. birthday dinner tonight. so wont be back till 9ish | 19:59 |
| lcuk | :p that was pondering something else, your birthday? | 20:00 |
| NoobMonk3y | gf's sisters | 20:00 |
| lcuk | and you are ircing | 20:00 |
| lcuk | your gf WILL kill you :p | 20:00 |
| NoobMonk3y | yup. not started fooding yet :) | 20:00 |
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| lcuk | lol | 20:01 |
| NoobMonk3y | she is sat next to me! | 20:01 |
| NoobMonk3y | watching some rubbish 50's film! | 20:01 |
| lcuk | she will get her revenge on you! | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | mrs NoobMonk3y, take the n900 off greg! | 20:01 |
| lcuk | make him watch the same movie | 20:02 |
| frals | "mrs NoobMonk3y" lol | 20:02 |
| NoobMonk3y | lol she saw that | 20:02 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, does that mer on n900 also run on x86 (not in a VM, i mean native) | 20:03 |
| frals | hmm, i wonder how i should fMMS to my CV | 20:03 |
| frals | and what title i should use for myself | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, it does | 20:04 |
| lcuk | screeniws/movies? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | e | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | none handy, but it does | 20:04 |
| lcuk | and why isnt that fact plastered all over meego | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | cos we'll get meego there :) | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | cool, so i can take the 0.17 build myself and build for my x41? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | right, grab x86-generic and the guide | 20:06 |
| NoobMonk3y | frals, god of mms'ing? | 20:06 |
| lcuk | cool | 20:07 |
| frals | NoobMonk3y: well... no ;( | 20:07 |
| dotblank | do you think the first release of meego on the n900 will work as a phone or have phone functionality? | 20:07 |
| NoobMonk3y | :( | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | dotblank: noone knows | 20:08 |
| * Jaffa looks overy the nascent MWKN issue #6 | 20:08 | |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: it's online again? | 20:08 |
| dotblank | :( | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | s/again/now/ | 20:08 |
| infobot | Stskeeps meant: Jaffa: it's online now? | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | dotblank: but since ofono works, there's hope | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Will go online tomorrow at 6am UTC | 20:08 |
| lcuk | NoobMonk3y, dont believe frals :) | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: k | 20:08 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: However, atm I'm looking over the articles we've got so far and writing the lead in/lead out and selecting quotes. | 20:09 |
| NoobMonk3y | lcuk? why not, and i thought he was such an honest chap. | 20:09 |
| frals | im not sure the employer in question would take it seriously ;) | 20:09 |
| NoobMonk3y | lol! | 20:09 |
| NoobMonk3y | nokia? hehe | 20:10 |
| frals | ;) | 20:10 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Mer^2 is top of devel section atm | 20:10 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: How's it progressing? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: the snapshot 40 is latest, i am currently waiting for some OBS related issues | 20:11 |
| * b-man|laptop attempts to build a kernel on his n900 hoping nothing goes wrong | 20:13 | |
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| samw_ | On my Nokia N900,if i go to Application Manager and click on Update or Download, i get a message "Checking for updates,please wait" and then nothing happens. | 20:17 |
| samw_ | The Application catalogs on my phone are Nokia Applications,Nokia System Software Updates,Ovi,maemo.org,Maemo Extras. | 20:18 |
| samw_ | The firmware version on my phone is 3.2010.02-8. Any way to fix the problem ? | 20:18 |
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| tank-man | maybe there are no new updates | 20:18 |
| samw_ | Im able to browse websites from the browser, but i guess Application manager is unable to connect to the repositories | 20:18 |
| samw_ | if i search for an Application , it says "No match found" | 20:19 |
| b-man|laptop | try 'apt-get update' in the terminal as root and see what happens | 20:19 |
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| samw_ | b-man|laptop: i dont know the roor password on my phone..any way to find that out ? | 20:21 |
| samw_ | root | 20:21 |
| b-man|laptop | hmm | 20:21 |
| samw_ | i tried searching for rootsh in the app manager, but it said no match found | 20:21 |
| samw_ | i think rootsh is needed to get root on the device..am i right ? | 20:21 |
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| b-man|laptop | 1 sec | 20:22 |
| samw_ | ok | 20:22 |
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| b-man|laptop | what's in the log in Application Manager? | 20:23 |
| cehteh | samw_: basically yes, but there are few other ways too | 20:23 |
| cehteh | sshd, R&D mode ... | 20:23 |
| samw_ | b-man|laptop: it says 'hildon-application-manager 2.2.52.2' | 20:24 |
| b-man|laptop | hmm | 20:24 |
| b-man|laptop | have you tryed rebooting the device and refreshing again? | 20:25 |
| VDVsx | frals, SW developer/ Open source developer ? then add during this period bla bla I did these projects bla bla :D | 20:25 |
| samw_ | b-man|laptop: i didnt reboot, ill try that now | 20:25 |
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| frals | VDVsx: yeah, ill stick with developer, cheers :) | 20:26 |
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| b-man|laptop | samw_: any luck? | 20:31 |
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| b-man|laptop | woops | 20:32 |
| b-man|laptop | he left :P | 20:32 |
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| b-man|n900 | samw_: any luck? | 20:34 |
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| samw_ | b-man|laptop: no, it still says "Checking for updates,please wait" and its stuck at that | 20:34 |
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| samw_ | any other way to get root in the X-terminal , so that i can try apt-get update ? | 20:36 |
| b-man|laptop | you could enable R&D mode | 20:36 |
| samw_ | b-man|laptop: ok | 20:37 |
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| arnoldthebat | samw_ are you expecting an update for something specific? | 20:37 |
| samw_ | arnoldthebat: no, i wanted to install rootsh on the phone | 20:38 |
| b-man|laptop | samw_: https://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode | 20:38 |
| arnoldthebat | ah, sorry, my mistake | 20:38 |
| b-man|laptop | samw_: be careful ;) | 20:38 |
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| samw_ | b-man|laptop: thnkx, ill try that :) | 20:38 |
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| samw_ | b-man|laptop: any reason u think why the phone is unable to get information from the repositories ? | 20:44 |
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| paulio | anyone here know about software engineering? requirements analysis and stuff? | 20:45 |
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| Stskeeps | trying to forget that class? ;) | 20:46 |
| paulio | lol no i just need some help with an activity diagram | 20:46 |
| maher | samw_: if you can browse the web on the phone go to http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application.html?org_openpsa_products_search[1][property]=title&org_openpsa_products_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[1][value]=rootsh&org_openpsa_products_search[2][property]=os&org_openpsa_products_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_openpsa_products_search[2][value]=Maemo5&fetch=Search and just click on the install bbutton | 20:47 |
| samw_ | maher: ok | 20:47 |
| maher | samw_: that url was kind of long - just browse maemo.org downloads.... | 20:47 |
| samw_ | alright | 20:47 |
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| samw_ | maher: i went to maemo.org/downloads from the phone. Then i searched for rootsh. After i clicked on the Install link, the application manager opened and now i have a message "Preparing for installation,please wait" but its not going any further :( | 20:51 |
| maher | samw_: at the terminal, try sudo gainroot | 20:52 |
| samw_ | k | 20:52 |
| samw_ | i get a message "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" | 20:53 |
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| FIQ | install rootah | 20:53 |
| FIQ | s/tah/tsh/ | 20:54 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: install rootsh | 20:54 |
| samw_ | FIQ: rootsh ? | 20:54 |
| FIQ | yes | 20:54 |
| mikhas | RD mode consumes more battery power | 20:54 |
| mikhas | you dont want that =) | 20:54 |
| FIQ | it's in extras | 20:54 |
| samw_ | FIQ infobot : thats the problem | 20:54 |
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| samw_ | i want to install rootsh, but im unable to fetch anything from the repository in the Application Manager | 20:55 |
| FIQ | oh | 20:55 |
| maher | samw_: do you still have the app manager running on the device? | 20:55 |
| samw_ | maher: yeah | 20:55 |
| FIQ | try to do it in xte... oh, lol | 20:55 |
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| maher | samw_: try and shut down all copies of the app manager before trying to install rootsh manually | 20:56 |
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| hrw | morning | 20:56 |
| samw_ | maher: i closed App manager...how can i check if any more copies running ? | 20:56 |
| maher | samperi: ps auxw at terminal | 20:57 |
| samw_ | k | 20:57 |
| maher | samw_: ps auxw - there will be a lot of output | 20:57 |
| samw_ | yeah | 20:58 |
| samw_ | maher: any particular program name i should be looking for in the ps auxw ouput ? | 20:59 |
| maher | samw_: just try installing rootsh again | 20:59 |
| samw_ | maher: ok | 20:59 |
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| samw_ | maher: again it halts at the message "Preparing for installation,please wait" | 21:08 |
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| samw_ | could it be some problem with the device ?. The firmware version on my phone is 3.2010.02-8 | 21:09 |
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| maher | samw_: dunno | 21:11 |
| samw_ | k | 21:11 |
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| samw_ | is there a deb file for rootsh which i can directly install ? | 21:11 |
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| * NoobMonk3y is full..... :) | 21:18 | |
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| * GAN900 feels like blaming Nokia for the poor candidate turnout. | 21:24 | |
| samw_ | wooooohooooo..finally everything seems to be working ! :)..went to http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | what, deadline over? :P | 21:24 |
| samw_ | seems like some problem with maemo repos...that site has a mirror | 21:24 |
| samw_ | :) | 21:24 |
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| samw_ | rootsh installed...finally got root on the phone ! :) | 21:27 |
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| NoobMonk3y | :) | 21:30 |
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| frankS2 | Anyone got a xen image of maemo? | 21:31 |
| microlith | nope | 21:32 |
| NoobMonk3y | not meeeeeee | 21:32 |
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| NoobMonk3y | why is tv so crap on sunday evenings?! where top gear when you need it | 21:36 |
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| koala_man | NoobMonk3y: on bitorrent? | 21:38 |
| NoobMonk3y | ? | 21:38 |
| NoobMonk3y | just normal tv | 21:38 |
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| NoobMonk3y | Hmmmm how do i pull up a user list on xchat? | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | /names ? | 21:41 |
| NoobMonk3y | woah.... big block o' txt! | 21:41 |
| NoobMonk3y | but worked. thankee | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | menu-view-userlist? | 21:43 |
| NoobMonk3y | it is ticked.... but says ctrl-f7 next to it. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | that doesn't mean anything | 21:44 |
| NoobMonk3y | but also doesnt do anything :) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it "doesn't show up", then it's resized to width=0 probably on right side | 21:45 |
| NoobMonk3y | ahaaaaaaa | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | try grabbing the border frame and drag it to left | 21:45 |
| NoobMonk3y | was on the left | 21:45 |
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| NoobMonk3y | well done! | 21:45 |
| NoobMonk3y | and a more buttons. thanks! | 21:45 |
| NoobMonk3y | alot better | 21:46 |
| NoobMonk3y | thanks doc :) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:46 |
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| Funnyface | just ordered my N900 :) I hope it won't be a disappointment | 21:52 |
| NoobMonk3y | question.... if i use py2deb... should i also be using debian control files? | 21:52 |
| NoobMonk3y | wooooop fuuny! good buy | 21:52 |
| NoobMonk3y | you eill love it | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | NoobMonk3y: AIUI, it creates 'em. | 21:52 |
| NoobMonk3y | cool. mailed khertan cos my bugtracker link isnt updating. so was thinking i'd bypass it. maybe not then ?) | 21:53 |
| NoobMonk3y | ty jaffa | 21:53 |
| NoobMonk3y | funnyface on mirc on mine at the mo, got a skype txt going on, mails perm going, and got 3 web pages open. tis a little beast | 21:54 |
| NoobMonk3y | irc* lol | 21:54 |
| arachnist | Funnyface: depends pretty much on what you expect from a phone | 21:54 |
| arachnist | Funnyface: for me it's the best phone around | 21:55 |
| NoobMonk3y | me too. although dont use the phone part too much, hehe | 21:55 |
| arachnist | it has a reasonable operating system (winmo and symbian aren't reasonable) and has a decent hardware keyboard | 21:55 |
| Funnyface | well, to compare, my current phone is a HTC TyTN II | 21:56 |
| NoobMonk3y | ahhhhh | 21:56 |
| Funnyface | I am overly pissed off with winmo | 21:56 |
| Funnyface | and the device was never any good | 21:56 |
| NoobMonk3y | this will be a change :) | 21:56 |
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| Funnyface | it was based on some qualcomm chipset where HTC didn't include video drivers | 21:56 |
| NoobMonk3y | ouch.... | 21:57 |
| joppu | So, why does .rpm suck so much? | 21:57 |
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| Funnyface | so basically, the display was just as sluggish as it is when you have newly reinstalled windows on a computer, without installing the video drivers yet | 21:57 |
| NoobMonk3y | mate of mine got an hd2 last week. he now wishes he got the n900. | 21:57 |
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| Funnyface | then, another problem was that the keyboard dropped keystrokes | 21:57 |
| haltdef | ew kaiser | 21:58 |
| haltdef | msm72xx is awful too :( | 21:58 |
| NoobMonk3y | joppu, no idea, why did the chicken cross the road.... errrrm why doe ist suck so much? | 21:58 |
| Funnyface | if you tried to type www.google.com, you'd end up with ww.gogle.com thanks to some debouncer. no idea if it was software or hardware, but I never found a solution | 21:58 |
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| NoobMonk3y | hmmmm... i miss keys cos i cant type! | 21:58 |
| Funnyface | halfdef: well, I think those chipsets could be great, if they had only just utilized the power in them | 21:58 |
| haltdef | no they suck | 21:59 |
| haltdef | slow cpu :< | 21:59 |
| Funnyface | well.. | 21:59 |
| Funnyface | 400MHz, but that's what was advertised, and it is reasonable for a device like that, but.. | 21:59 |
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| haltdef | my ~520mhz htc univeral outperforms my similarly clocked xperia x1 easily | 22:00 |
| Funnyface | they didn't utilise the GPU, so the CPU had to handle video as well as its own tasks | 22:00 |
| haltdef | universal doesn't even have a gpu :P | 22:00 |
| NoobMonk3y | hmmmm... i need a mugen..... | 22:00 |
| Funnyface | well I am no expert, but even the TyTN I had a little GPU | 22:01 |
| Funnyface | just for 2D stuff | 22:01 |
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| haltdef | yep, universal's an old device | 22:02 |
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| Funnyface | by the way, is there a GPS app for maemo yet that lets you use preloaded maps so you don't have to waste money on data? | 22:04 |
| NoobMonk3y | maep i think | 22:04 |
| NoobMonk3y | but navit is on its way as well i think | 22:04 |
| Funnyface | great | 22:05 |
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| `0660 | i thought nokia released an app for preloading map data | 22:05 |
| NoobMonk3y | yeah never used the map loader | 22:05 |
| NoobMonk3y | heard it works tho | 22:05 |
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| NoobMonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46463 | 22:08 |
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| Funnyface | hehe I am kind of surprised that nokia released such a tool | 22:10 |
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| NoobMonk3y | :) | 22:10 |
| ptl | why? | 22:10 |
| Funnyface | bit of the idea with "over the air as you go" is that the mobile phone companies that make deals with nokia know that they can charge their customers with data later on | 22:10 |
| Trizt | hmm... map loader don't seem to work | 22:10 |
| Funnyface | that there is more to earn from the device than just the initial sales price and the subscription | 22:11 |
| NoobMonk3y | yeah.... | 22:11 |
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| Funnyface | when nokia releases a tool like that, the devices it works on may be less interesting for mobile phone providers | 22:11 |
| microlith | Funnyface: sideloading has no real impact on data plans, unless you think there are people who would by the device and play a non-plan rate for data | 22:12 |
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| microlith | pay* | 22:12 |
| Funnyface | mine is semi flat rate | 22:12 |
| Funnyface | I pay a max price each day | 22:13 |
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| Funnyface | which is around 1.50 USD | 22:13 |
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| Lumpio- | I think I got my flat rate ("3.5Mbps") plan for 10EUR/month | 22:14 |
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| Lumpio- | It was a limited time offer, however it lasts for 2 years | 22:14 |
| Lumpio- | After that it's probably going to be more like 20EUR/month | 22:14 |
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| Funnyface | unless prices drop by then | 22:16 |
| Lumpio- | eyeap | 22:16 |
| Lumpio- | After 2 years I'm free to change providers if I don't like them anymore anyways. | 22:17 |
| Funnyface | :P | 22:17 |
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| Funnyface | however, does that deal allow you to use the connection on your PC or just your phone? | 22:18 |
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| Funnyface | some providers have stupid "WAP only" deals etc | 22:18 |
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| Lumpio- | It's full Internet | 22:19 |
| NoobMonk3y | :) | 22:20 |
| Lumpio- | Not like they'd be able to tell apart N900 and PC traffic anyways | 22:20 |
| Funnyface | and others just disallow its usage on a real computer in its TOS, although I guess it's hard to enforce that :P | 22:20 |
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| NoobMonk3y | when do you get your N900 funny, next working day? | 22:20 |
| Funnyface | ordered it now, so 1-3 days I guess | 22:20 |
| NoobMonk3y | woooooop | 22:20 |
| Funnyface | the website listed 6 in stock | 22:21 |
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| Funnyface | I will be really pissed off if they are sold out | 22:21 |
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| Funnyface | like "we got 10 orders during the weekend, and we don't update the stock count until after the weekend when we have shipped the phones" :P | 22:22 |
| Funnyface | brb 10 min'ish | 22:22 |
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| NoobMonk3y | k | 22:22 |
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| NoobMonk3y | anyone bored, and not already tested healthcheck, and ok with extras-devel fancy testing it for me? :) | 22:29 |
| NoobMonk3y | trying to see if anyone else gets the vanishing act on load? | 22:30 |
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| NoobMonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453 | 22:31 |
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| NoobMonk3y | hmmm batterrrrrrrry dyinggggggg | 22:35 |
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| * NoobMonk3y blinks | 22:39 | |
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| NoobMonk3y | its ohhhhh so quieeeeet | 22:43 |
| lcuk | its oh so still | 22:44 |
| NoobMonk3y | lol | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1A_uSEjTIQ | 22:47 |
| NoobMonk3y | w:) | 22:47 |
| NoobMonk3y | will watch it when i get near a charger....! | 22:48 |
| dotblank | because of this meego project. I actually tried moblin today | 22:48 |
| NoobMonk3y | running low on juice | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | top up n900 with guiness | 22:48 |
| dotblank | im impressed.. | 22:48 |
| lcuk | + another n | 22:48 |
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| dotblank | is a bit Lacking in some areas | 22:48 |
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| NoobMonk3y | lol lcuk! | 22:49 |
| * lcuk cant wait until real fuel cells come about where thats practical | 22:49 | |
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| lcuk | "ill have a pint, and a glass of vodka for my device" | 22:50 |
| * lcuk would marry bjork | 22:50 | |
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| Troy54 | Lol | 22:50 |
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| * lcuk gets chills listening to big time sensuality | 22:51 | |
| NoobMonk3y | yeah! could do with a mugen and powermat | 22:52 |
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| Funnyface | back | 22:52 |
| NoobMonk3y | wb | 22:52 |
| lcuk | thanks noob you reminded me to start copying music onto n900 | 22:53 |
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| NoobMonk3y | meh 12%battery | 22:53 |
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| NoobMonk3y | lol! i'm amazing me | 22:53 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | at the summit, my battery started moaning at me that it was low | 22:53 |
| lcuk | normally only has about 10 mins left at that point | 22:54 |
| lcuk | so i sat down to take some notes quick before the battery died | 22:54 |
| NoobMonk3y | ineed to find a decent place to get music from (pay site) | 22:54 |
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| lcuk | tracy gets most of her stuff from itunes | 22:54 |
| pupnik | n900 is the most godly device i have ever seen | 22:55 |
| NoobMonk3y | got spare styluses now tho. £2 for 3 on ebay :) | 22:55 |
| lcuk | shame the 900 didnt come with music | 22:55 |
| lcuk | we know that pupnik | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: mine did | 22:55 |
| NoobMonk3y | yeah. not a fan of itunes.... its pesty | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 free tracks. | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (that I haven't claimed yet) | 22:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, kewl | 22:55 |
| lcuk | but 5 tracks isnt like the same deal the other devices have | 22:55 |
| lcuk | dont some have unlimited | 22:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | 22:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | Hi, | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | In a random act of kindness, we’ve set you up a Nokia Music Store account that’s ready to be credited with 5 free tracks - that’s almost half an album! | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:56 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 22:56 |
| lcuk | hah | 22:56 |
| NoobMonk3y | i'd be happy to pay£10 or £20 a month for downloads.... | 22:56 |
| lcuk | i tihnk a lot of people would noob | 22:56 |
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| NoobMonk3y | just dont like the online sites like spotify.... | 22:57 |
| NoobMonk3y | i abuse may battery enough as is... | 22:57 |
| Arif_ | lol | 22:58 |
| Arif_ | WOW 5 TRACKS | 22:58 |
| NoobMonk3y | :) | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm happy I hadn't to pay that 10pound / month on top of the already expensive N900, for 24months of music download I don't need, so... | 22:58 |
| NoobMonk3y | better than 4 | 22:58 |
| Arif_ | that you can't play on the N900! | 22:58 |
| NoobMonk3y | sounds like a nokia master plan | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | Nokia Music Store=DRM | 22:59 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you just gotta find someone else who had a random act of kindness on them and you can almost have a full ablum together"! | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | Nokia N900=No DRM | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | Arif_: they're actually getting rid of that | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | :p | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | (as in, drm) | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | Stskeeps, not for the unlimited plan I read somewhere | 22:59 |
| Arif_ | could be wrong though | 22:59 |
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| pupnik | i like buying excellent cds. in 100 years some one might appreciate them | 23:00 |
| NoobMonk3y | so no decent drm free sites to buy music easily from? | 23:00 |
| lcuk | ok, so if everyone got given the 5 track thing - which would be your 5 tracks | 23:00 |
| Funnyface | I'd gladly pay a monthly fee to legally do all the "piracy" I want.. because pirated stuff is normally so much more convenient than the legal stuff.. | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | they stand and gather dust for me (cds) | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: in 100 years they are all rotten | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm better at preserving my data than my cds | 23:00 |
| lcuk | cd rot is normally only the copied ink based discs isnt it | 23:01 |
| lcuk | or have they fscked up the alu prints as well ? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 23:01 |
| lcuk | arg! | 23:01 |
| pupnik | i have seen a couple pressed cds rot | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | the silver also oxidizes | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Funnyface: When I had the spare cash, I would download warez books - then if I'd read one - I'd buy a copy of the book by the same author in some format | 23:01 |
| lcuk | what am i gonna do about my ace of base cd o_O will future generations not be able to listen to it? | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Al | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | even worse | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | go for gold | 23:02 |
| Arif_ | lcuk, flac them ! | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: you'll lend my mp3 copy of it from my diamond storage ZFS | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 100 years | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:02 |
| * SpeedEvil puts on some Ace of Base. | 23:02 | |
| NoobMonk3y | awwww ace of base!!! my first ever tape!! | 23:02 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:02 |
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| * lcuk purchased that cd from the NAFI store in an army base somewhere in deepest darkest germany | 23:02 | |
| lcuk | and the same night tracy rung me to say she was pregnant with luke | 23:03 |
| NoobMonk3y | lol i lived in hamburg 19 yrs ago | 23:03 |
| NoobMonk3y | :) | 23:03 |
| Arif_ | o.o | 23:03 |
| Funnyface | anyway, I believe flat rate is the way to go. pay a monthly fee and watch as many films, play as many games and listen to as much music as you want | 23:03 |
| Funnyface | but even then that's not always the full flexibility you want | 23:04 |
| lcuk | Funnyface, that doesnt work | 23:04 |
| lcuk | cos (a) piracy is more than that | 23:04 |
| NoobMonk3y | ssssssssh let us dream! | 23:04 |
| Funnyface | sometimes you might want to for example add a song to a silly youtube video you've made | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and the people iwll always find something to pirate | 23:04 |
| dvoid_ | anyone had any nice results to report about lowering swappiness on the n900? | 23:04 |
| lcuk | if you release all that | 23:04 |
| lcuk | then they move to software | 23:04 |
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| Funnyface | but.. gl trying to do that the legal way.. I wonder how much the recording industry would charge you for legally making that video | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and no monthly fee could cover it | 23:04 |
| lcuk | dvoid_, lowering swappiness? just do like you do on your pc | 23:05 |
| lcuk | ie, close apps you arent running | 23:05 |
| lcuk | i know its fun having 400 active running apps (cos you can!) | 23:05 |
| dvoid_ | been running at swappiness 10 for a day now, i feels smoother but its to early to tell | 23:05 |
| lcuk | but its not always practical | 23:05 |
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| Funnyface | practically it will be too hard to get a working system | 23:06 |
| NoobMonk3y | right 5% battery, back laters! | 23:06 |
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| Arif_ | isn't eyetoons DRM free? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | cya NoobMonk3y | 23:06 |
| dvoid_ | lcuk, i always close all apps when im not using the device | 23:06 |
| NoobMonk3y | ciaoooooooo | 23:06 |
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| dvoid_ | lcuk, still it slows down to a crawl after a few days without reboot | 23:07 |
| lcuk | dvoid_, what kinds of swappy probems are you having then | 23:07 |
| lcuk | what are you actually running that brings it to a halt | 23:07 |
| dvoid_ | like runnig a windows pc with 128mb ram ;) | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: swappiness is a tunable param of linux kernel that makes it use swap even before RAM is used: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 | 23:07 |
| dvoid_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42960&page=8 same thing | 23:07 |
| dvoid_ | for some strange reason maemo 5 uses swappiness 100 as default | 23:07 |
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| dvoid_ | wich basicly tells the kernel to swap out everything in favor of disk cache | 23:08 |
| * lcuk doesnt notice slowdowns much | 23:09 | |
| * Arif_ has the weird issue the battery drains faster when the phone's on for a few days | 23:09 | |
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| dvoid_ | i have some huge problems :S cant explain them, after a few days its just slow. i have never had the phone on for more then 3 days because of this. its unusable without a reboot | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | could be the hildon-desktop thing where it starts using 100% CPU for no reason | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | dvoid_: odd. WFM | 23:11 |
| lcuk | at 20:52, noobmonkey said he had 12% batter | 23:11 |
| ali1234 | i have only seen it a couple of times so it seems like something specific triggers it | 23:11 |
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| dvoid_ | i've heard that some ppl claim their phone got really faster after a reflash. but i dont know. i suspect it might get as slow after a few days anyway :P | 23:11 |
| lcuk | at 21:05, noobmonkey said he had 05% battery | 23:11 |
| lcuk | 2 questions, how the heck is he draining that fast, and what code is his healthcheck running so much that drains the battery | 23:12 |
| dvoid_ | anyway a swapiness of 100 cant be god, most linux dists use 60 or less | 23:12 |
| lcuk | people having slowdowns etc | 23:13 |
| lcuk | run powertop | 23:13 |
| lcuk | and put reports up | 23:13 |
| mgregsond | dvoid_: Isn't the disk solid state? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | lets see what is happening | 23:13 |
| dvoid_ | mgregsond, yea? | 23:14 |
| mgregsond | lcuk: I get massive slowdowns. Load average hits 5 with alarming frequency. | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | it is normal for the battery to appear to drain faster as it gets emptier | 23:14 |
| mgregsond | dvoid_: Swapping is mildly less expensive? | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | dvoid_: swapping is _bad_ - it hits in many cases worst case write performances. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | The swap algorithm hasn't been patched to do the right thing for flash. | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is basically to always write linearly. | 23:14 |
| lcuk | ali1234, its proably also running lots of new apps and running through lots of code | 23:14 |
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| lcuk | evening mr javispedro | 23:15 |
| javispedro | mikkov: turxtorxracer works! :) | 23:16 |
| javispedro | evening dr. lcuk | 23:16 |
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| javispedro | or should I say dr. evil? >:) | 23:16 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 23:17 |
| lcuk | on both counts | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ali1234: bat guessometer is non linear | 23:19 |
| lcuk | javispedro, are you just getting it working a little bit, or packaged and ready to play with | 23:19 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: well, the UI is broken. the game plays fine and fast! | 23:19 |
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| lcuk | as it should, the device has a strong pvr | 23:20 |
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| javispedro | I need to check on accelemymote (or whatever is called :) ) | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arif_: ali1234: load applet should become mandatory part of the base package | 23:26 |
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| * DocScrutinizer considers a daemon to make indicator LED flash red on excessive CPU load. The higer the load, the faster the flashing | 23:27 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | a shellscript 10-liner plus a crontab entry should do | 23:29 |
| ptl | I've just filmed the lamest video ever about N900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX-9DBBaCD0 showing the use of gtalk with video | 23:30 |
| ptl | crontab? | 23:30 |
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| ptl | does the N900 have cron? | 23:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | it has alarmd | 23:31 |
| ptl | yeah, I've seen the interface to alarmd | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | which is perhaps harder to use for random hacking | 23:31 |
| ptl | I thought it would be weird if it had two processes doing the same stuff | 23:31 |
| ptl | hm | 23:31 |
| ptl | why? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | crond needs a patch then | 23:32 |
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| ptl | do you guys know the manual page for alarmd? | 23:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer doubts there's any | 23:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | about:blank | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you found the cheep-torch | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheap | 23:35 |
| ptl | lol | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/System_Software#Alarmd | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant to post | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's not helpful on actually reading | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, what a manpage :-P | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *Uses SystemUI to show dialogs for alarms and calendar events. o.O (???) | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Alarm_Framework | 23:40 |
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| * RST38h moos | 23:41 | |
| heoa | Does n810 support multitasking? Does the keys ^+ALT F<key> work? | 23:43 |
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| Jaffa | heoa: No, there's no true console mode on the N810 kernel AFAIK. However, there's multitasking in the GUI. | 23:45 |
| Jaffa | ptl: There's a GUI for alarmd under development, as well, FWIW. | 23:46 |
| Jaffa | ptl: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=557134 | 23:46 |
| heoa | Jaffa: does n900 have multitasking in console mode? | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | heoa: NAFAIK. Why do you want console mode? | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no console on n900 | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | well - there is serial console in principle with screen. | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | But I suspect that's not what you meant. | 23:47 |
| heoa | Jaffa: what else do you need? | 23:47 |
| b-man|n900 | shouldn't console mode be possible through modifying the kernel? | 23:47 |
| Jaffa | heoa: I've no idea, I've never tried as I've no need. | 23:48 |
| ali1234 | it is, just enable framebuffer console | 23:48 |
| * b-man|n900 doesn't see why it's not at all possible | 23:48 | |
| b-man|n900 | ah | 23:48 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps or someone who's played with porting another OS would probably be your best bet. | 23:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | guys, is there a way to access the cpu temp sensor? | 23:48 |
| heoa | ali1234: framebuffer console? | 23:49 |
| b-man|n900 | yup | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | b-man|: much that is possible is unimplemented. | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | not unimplemented, just disabled in kernel config | 23:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | and huh, theres "usbcontrol" in extras-devel which claims to enable usb host mode. what is that abot | 23:50 |
| ptl | Jaffa: I've seen this gui but didn't know this talk page, thanks. | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | someone recompiled it for n900 but it doesn't work | 23:50 |
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| ptl | Shapeshifter: in the mailing list they said that it was developed before the device was out, so the guy who did it didn't know it wouldn't have host mode | 23:50 |
| heoa | ali1234: so you can enable multitasking console mode from kernel, anyone done it? | 23:51 |
| Shapeshifter | ptl: ah | 23:51 |
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| ali1234 | heoa: yes, someone in this channel said they did it | 23:51 |
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| user__ | can anyone help, i tried installing midnightcommander but says a file is missing without telling which one | 23:51 |
| ptl | "USBControl was uploaded before anyone had a device in their hands and | 23:51 |
| ptl | discovered there's no USB Host mode." | 23:51 |
| * b-man|n900 is compiling a fb console module right now | 23:51 | |
| t-tan | fbcon crashes a lot. I've disabled it again | 23:52 |
| Ken-Young | Is there a file busybox reads when a new session is starts, where things like command aliases can be defined? Something like .cshrc for the C shell? | 23:52 |
| ali1234 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Kernel | 23:52 |
| ptl | user__: try using through the terminal, sudo gainroot, then apt-get install mc | 23:52 |
| ptl | Ken-Young: .profile | 23:53 |
| Jaffa | Shapeshifter: It's a republish of a diablo package. Doesn't work on N900. | 23:53 |
| Ken-Young | ptl, Thanks! | 23:53 |
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| user__ | ok ta | 23:53 |
| heoa | ali1234: same works with n810L | 23:53 |
| heoa | ? | 23:53 |
| ali1234 | heoa: you must recompile the kernel | 23:54 |
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| heoa | ali1234: can you use n900's kernel in n810? | 23:54 |
| b-man|n900 | no | 23:54 |
| user__ | i had a similar problem with healthcheck programme, it says pulseaudio is missing. what do i do? | 23:54 |
| user__ | i cant find pulseadio anywhere | 23:55 |
| Shapeshifter | so, the cpu temp cant be read out? | 23:55 |
| heoa | b-man|n900: cannot understand why | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if there is a CPU temperature sensor | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't looked in the datasheet | 23:56 |
| b-man|n900 | heoa: first off, it uses totally diffrent hw drivers | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: I'm guessing its used for security cpu downscaling if it gets too hot. | 23:57 |
| Shapeshifter | I'd be surprised if it had no sensor | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | it is possible to build a kernel which runs on both mtypes but it would increase the kernel size for no good reason | 23:58 |
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