| joker_89 | and then urllib.urlopen | 00:00 |
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| joker_89 | and says error | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | there's #pys60 for Python on Symbian S60 | 00:00 |
| dregin | #python maybe? | 00:00 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm less friendly. I call vampire | 00:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh, he's already there. | 00:00 |
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| tripzero | so my n900 isn't showing up as an external drive on my ubuntu boxes | 00:00 |
| zaheerm | joker_89, where did you get the example urllib.urlopen ? | 00:01 |
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| joker_89 | from nokia wiki | 00:01 |
| zaheerm | joker_89, and has your phone got s60 5th edition or 3rd edition? | 00:01 |
| joker_89 | seems very easy but.. dont work, | 00:01 |
| joker_89 | 3rd | 00:02 |
| zaheerm | joker_89, they probably have an older python version for 3rd edition | 00:02 |
| joker_89 | i try with python 1.4.4, 1.4.5 and 2.0.0 from maemo | 00:02 |
| zaheerm | joker_89, which may not have urllib.urlopen | 00:02 |
| zaheerm | maemo stuff will not usually work on symbian | 00:02 |
| joker_89 | i do all with the emulator | 00:02 |
| zaheerm | ask in #pys60 | 00:03 |
| zaheerm | it is a dedicated channel for python on s60 | 00:03 |
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| zaheerm | there is also a mailing list you can ask your question in | 00:05 |
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| zaheerm | http://wiki.opensource.nokia.com/projects/PyS60 | 00:06 |
| zaheerm | read that under "Getting help" | 00:06 |
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| joker_89 | okk | 00:08 |
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| Arif_ | hmm | 00:08 |
| Hoxzer | :/ Been noticing huge amount of n900's in my school. Saw 3 today | 00:09 |
| Hoxzer | and 2 yesterday | 00:09 |
| Arif_ | what school | 00:09 |
| Hoxzer | surely they're giving them for free or something. I'm sure | 00:09 |
| zaheerm | must be finland | 00:09 |
| Hoxzer | zaheerm: yeah | 00:09 |
| Shapeshifter | So, for example now I tried setting the minute of this recurrence. I did: recurrence.mask_min = 42 and now the event actually shows "recurrence_tab0.mask_min: 42" in alarm_queue.ini, so it seems like something happened. There's also an hour mask, "ecurrence_tab0.mask_hour: 16777215" which comes from recurrence.mask_hour |= alarm.RECUR_HOUR_ALL. but despite all this, the alarm didn't ring at 42. | 00:09 |
| Arif_ | mine flow through half a corridor by accident today | 00:09 |
| Arif_ | flew* | 00:09 |
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| Arif_ | :D | 00:09 |
| Hoxzer | There is at least one project going on for n900 in my school :( | 00:09 |
| Hoxzer | something related to ad-hoc networking | 00:09 |
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| Hoxzer | They were doing that even before n900 was releasted though | 00:10 |
| Arif_ | everyone has a crackberry at my school... | 00:10 |
| Hoxzer | :P | 00:10 |
| Arif_ | they haven't figured out MSN can be used on mobiles too | 00:10 |
| Hoxzer | :) | 00:10 |
| Hoxzer | and IRC and email | 00:10 |
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| Hoxzer | and skype! | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | and facebook | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | and twitter | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | and voip | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | and skype | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | and.....and.... | 00:11 |
| Hoxzer | skype is awsome default feature in maemo :) | 00:11 |
| Tuxprobe | hi, i cant find my unix-box through Media Shares :/ | 00:11 |
| Tuxprobe | whats so awfully wrong with my setup?? | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | have you set up an upnp server | 00:11 |
| lcuk | Hoxzer, great! put your school o nthe map pininthemap.com/maemo | 00:11 |
| lcuk | and make sure they blog about stuff | 00:11 |
| Hoxzer | especially as I'm almost always able to get wlan connect | 00:11 |
| Tuxprobe | arif_ whats that? | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | well there you go | 00:11 |
| Arif_ | :D | 00:11 |
| inz | Hoxzer, yeah, I've noticed N900s-a-plenty too; only saw 3 N810s | 00:12 |
| Hoxzer | :) | 00:12 |
| Arif_ | you need an UPnP server on your PC | 00:12 |
| inz | Hoxzer, the ad-hoc social networking thingie is seeking participants, have you applied?-) | 00:12 |
| Tuxprobe | like, why does Windows 7 come with that by default?? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | Hoxzer, where bouts are you? | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | because it has WMP | 00:13 |
| Tuxprobe | gupnp-tools - UPnP Tools? | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | and WMP has UPnP :P | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | no idea about loonix though | 00:13 |
| Arif_ | I don't use that | 00:13 |
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| Hoxzer | inz: no, not really | 00:13 |
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| * lcuk does ad-hoc networking | 00:15 | |
| inz | Hoxzer, I hate those free-form boxes; the pilot seems interesting (and you could win a N900 =) | 00:16 |
| inz | I've never owned any tablet :( | 00:16 |
| lcuk | o_O inz | 00:17 |
| Tuxprobe | noone has samba shares available on the maemo from a nix box? | 00:17 |
| inz | I've had plenty in use (4 atm), but owned: none. | 00:17 |
| Corsac | Tuxprobe: not sure maemo shares anything? | 00:18 |
| Corsac | by default at least | 00:18 |
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| Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: You can use sshfs as an alternative | 00:19 |
| tripzero | mmm, does the n900 have sshfs? | 00:19 |
| Tuxprobe | hoxzer ive allready setup a sshfs script just struggling with the permissions now | 00:19 |
| Tuxprobe | but would be nice with an on demand auto discovery.. | 00:19 |
| Tuxprobe | with sshfs i need to change configuration on the device for each share - with samba the shares are controlled via ui on the laptop ) | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | fuse is an included kernel module so I imagine it'd be possible to install sshfs.. I vaguely recall people are using it | 00:20 |
| Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: Have you tried to mount it as a root with -allow_other option? | 00:21 |
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| Hoxzer | Tuxprobe: It can be done without root permissions and should be done but that's the quick and dirty way | 00:21 |
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| Tuxprobe | well, im on it :) | 00:21 |
| Hoxzer | Also maemo will change permissions back to default after reboot | 00:21 |
| Tuxprobe | was just scouting through sshfs options prior to giving smb a last try | 00:22 |
| hurbanza | gulp | 00:22 |
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| dregin | just looking at scratchbox.org... nothing has happened on it for 4 years. Is it still used for dev? | 00:22 |
| lcuk | dregin, yes | 00:22 |
| Tuxprobe | dregin yes | 00:22 |
| Tuxprobe | :) | 00:22 |
| Tuxprobe | and now integrated as plugin with sbrsh into eclipse | 00:22 |
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| dregin | I see scratchbox2 in ubuntu repos... | 00:23 |
| * dregin installs that | 00:23 | |
| Tuxprobe | 'remote shell' allowing to do -> compile, build dist, run remotely live on device | 00:23 |
| inz | dregin, there are news from 2009-12-14, that's less than 4 months. | 00:23 |
| inz | And scratchbox2 is quite different from scratchbox, and may not work for what you want. | 00:24 |
| inz | If it works, it's somewhat more elegant though =) | 00:24 |
| dregin | hmmmm maybe I read 2009 as 2006 | 00:24 |
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| inz | Hoxzer, do you know, when did TOASnet stop revealing the full address by ip address? | 00:31 |
| * lcuk posted to slashdot | 00:32 | |
| inz | Hoxzer, nowadays it seems one can only take a guess at the building; and even that needs some additional knowledge. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1571700&cid=31363800 | 00:32 |
| Hoxzer | inz: I guess when they started using dhcp | 00:32 |
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| inz | Hoxzer, ah, that would make it, yes =) | 00:33 |
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| * corecode finds 64bit bugs in tinymail | 00:34 | |
| Shapeshifter | So, any hints on my little libalarm issue? | 00:34 |
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| inz | Hoxzer, just to make sure my guess isn't all off, you _do_ live in w3, right? | 00:35 |
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| Hoxzer | inz: dude, stop yelling my location here. Who knows what type of rapist lurk around here | 00:36 |
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| Hoxzer | inz: but no I dont but very close | 00:36 |
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| inz | Hoxzer, well, I'm pretty sure no one can find you even if they know what w3 meant. | 00:36 |
| inz | Hoxzer, and if even that is incorrect, then blah =) | 00:37 |
| Hoxzer | :) | 00:37 |
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| inz | I was just curious what kind of changes they've made since I left the precious fast tube. | 00:37 |
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| inz | But it seems, then, that they've done some major revamping there. | 00:38 |
| villager | Shapeshifter: setting mask to 42 won't make it ring at :42... setting mask to 1 << 42 might | 00:38 |
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| ShadowJK | tmo is such a cesspool I don't feel like doing anything except troll the whiners :P | 00:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Woo! | 00:42 |
| inz | troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the thread | 00:42 |
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| * Xisdibik liked inz's song so much he wants to hear the next part | 00:42 | |
| * ShadowJK just implied taht the reason there are "no apps" for n900 is because n900 already does everything one could possibly want it to do | 00:42 | |
| Xisdibik | ShadowJK, people just need to optify their apps :P | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | oh yes, on that regard I'm in the whiner category | 00:43 |
| * ShadowJK installed tcpdump and is down to 50M free on / :( | 00:44 | |
| corecode | pvanhoof: you there? | 00:44 |
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| inz | Xisdibik, flames, flames, flames, flames, whiners are upset | 00:46 |
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| inz | Oh wait, merrily is three syllables, that didn't work out | 00:46 |
| burchr | 'flamity' | 00:46 |
| Shapeshifter | villager: mhhh thanks I'll try that | 00:46 |
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| pvanhoof | corecode, I am, but don't shoot me for something I did wrong :) | 00:47 |
| Xisdibik | inz, ill wait, you can fix it :) | 00:47 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: tinymail uses GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) in many places | 00:47 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: i have the feeling that this chops the type to 32 bits | 00:48 |
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| pvanhoof | corecode, hmm, tinymail has been 2 years ago when I last did major coding for that. A better person to ask is sergio on channels like #modest and #tinymail on GIMPNet | 00:48 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:48 |
| pvanhoof | corecode, of course, if im honest, im still tinymail's maintainer ;), but so is sergio now | 00:49 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: ah thanks | 00:49 |
| pvanhoof | np, enjoy coding | 00:49 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: quick question | 00:49 |
| pvanhoof | sure | 00:49 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: modest doesn't support storing sent mails on imap | 00:50 |
| corecode | pvanhoof: is that a tinymail issue, or just missing from modest | 00:50 |
| pvanhoof | I know tinymail could easily support this | 00:50 |
| pvanhoof | Tinymail doesn't mind about the nature of the sent folder | 00:50 |
| pvanhoof | It's just a tny_folder_add | 00:50 |
| corecode | so tinymail can imap store | 00:50 |
| corecode | okay | 00:50 |
| pvanhoof | Yes | 00:50 |
| corecode | thanks | 00:50 |
| pvanhoof | Adapting modest for this should be easy | 00:50 |
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| corecode | yea, first i need to get it running here | 00:51 |
| corecode | but maybe crosscompiling is as good? | 00:51 |
| corecode | i dunno | 00:51 |
| pvanhoof | I think they have a custom TnySendQueue or something | 00:51 |
| corecode | yea | 00:51 |
| corecode | that one just segfaulted :) | 00:51 |
| pvanhoof | And there, in that code, they override the get_sent | 00:51 |
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| pvanhoof | ok :) | 00:51 |
| pvanhoof | That's not good | 00:51 |
| lcuk | evening javispedro | 00:52 |
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| inz | Xisdibik, flammable, flammable, flammable, flammable, post will stay unread | 00:52 |
| javispedro | hi lck | 00:53 |
| Xisdibik | lol inz, nice :D | 00:53 |
| Xisdibik | keep going if you want, i love it | 00:53 |
| inz | There are no more lyrics for the original, are there? | 00:53 |
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| joker_89 | anyone know WRT? | 00:54 |
| joker_89 | WEB RUNTIME? | 00:54 |
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| lardman | evening all | 00:54 |
| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 00:54 |
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| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 00:54 |
| inz | Xisdibik, RhymeZone had a nice suggestion "command overhead" as a 5-syllable phrase rhyming with "thread"; unfortunately it made no sense in this context :( | 00:55 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 00:55 |
| corecode | Warning | 00:55 |
| corecode | YOU MAY NOT STORE POINTERS IN INTEGERS. THIS IS NOT PORTABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. These macros ONLY allow storing integers in pointers, and only preserve 32 bits of the integer; values outside the range of a 32-bit integer will be mangled. | 00:55 |
| * corecode sighs | 00:55 | |
| corecode | so what am i supposed to do then? | 00:55 |
| joker_89 | zaheerm | 00:55 |
| joker_89 | you heard about WRT? | 00:55 |
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| lcuk | joker_89, unless you are 12yo, please stop sounding like one. of course we have heard of many of the technologies | 00:56 |
| inz | corecode, don't store pointers in integers. | 00:56 |
| toggles_w | lol | 00:56 |
| corecode | well | 00:56 |
| * n00bmonk3y grumbles | 00:56 | |
| toggles_w | corecode: what are you looking at? | 00:56 |
| corecode | toggles_w: tinymail | 00:56 |
| lardman | corecode: it's only a warning after all... ;) | 00:56 |
| Xisdibik | inz, haha, yea doesnt fit the context ;( | 00:56 |
| corecode | toggles_w: doesn't run on 64bit machines | 00:56 |
| lcuk | corecode, well of course | 00:57 |
| corecode | of COURSE! | 00:57 |
| javispedro | so, tinymail stores integers on pointers? doesn't surprise me :9 | 00:57 |
| corecode | it is called TINY! | 00:57 |
| lcuk | in one of the legacy systems i maintained for a number of years, original developer used shorts to store database ids | 00:57 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol | 00:57 |
| lcuk | everything was fine until someone went over 16k entries | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | How about int_ptr_t | 00:58 |
| n00bmonk3y | sounds like y2k planning to me ;) | 00:58 |
| lcuk | nahhh n00bmonk3y more like y1k | 00:58 |
| n00bmonk3y | haha | 00:58 |
| lardman | lcuk: hey, storage was expensive | 00:58 |
| lcuk | lardman, this was a windows vb app | 00:59 |
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| lardman | vb 3.x? | 00:59 |
| lcuk | nothing to do with storage | 00:59 |
| lcuk | ust using integer around | 00:59 |
| javispedro | actually, glib actually has "gintptr". | 00:59 |
| corecode | now that's shit | 00:59 |
| pupnik_ | please no misuse of ints in non portable ways. that makes pupnik cry | 00:59 |
| lcuk | i think i can count on my hand the number of times i actively used "integer" in a declaration | 00:59 |
| n00bmonk3y | lol | 00:59 |
| javispedro | pupnik_++ | 00:59 |
| lcuk | int pupnik_tears; | 01:00 |
| lcuk | omg, you can have negative tears! | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh sorry, C has intptr_t | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | one underscore too many | 01:00 |
| lardman | and if you square root those they become imaginary | 01:00 |
| lcuk | they fall off the ground, roll up your face and get sucked in | 01:00 |
| corecode | no, the mo is GType -> gpointer via GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) [all fine]. later, gpointer -> uint -> GType via GPOINTER_TO_UINT(once.retval) [lose 32 bits] | 01:01 |
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| corecode | nobody can say i didn't try | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | change the "unit" to intptr_t :( | 01:02 |
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| inz | corecode, is sizeof(GType) 8? | 01:03 |
| corecode | well, can't | 01:03 |
| corecode | inz: the very least | 01:03 |
| corecode | inz: :) | 01:03 |
| corecode | inz: looks like an opaque pointer-in-type | 01:03 |
| inz | corecode, I think it's just a integer identifier | 01:04 |
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| inz | corecode, does GPOINTER_TO_SIZE and GSIZE_TO_POINTER do the trick? | 01:04 |
| inz | -es | 01:05 |
| inz | GType = gsize (= unsigned long) | 01:05 |
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| inz | corecode, "GType — A numerical value which represents the unique identifier of a registered type." | 01:07 |
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| corecode | yea | 01:07 |
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| nid0 | can't find any appropriate bugs on this, anyone know if it's intentional that the media player can only display ~50 ish items in any single folder when browsing a upnp server? | 01:07 |
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| corecode | inz: but that appears ~ 50 times or so | 01:13 |
| corecode | inz: not sure whether i should change all of them | 01:13 |
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| corecode | ah no, 164 times | 01:13 |
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| inz | corecode, well, you should always check what data is put into the pointer (and read from it) | 01:15 |
| burchr | nighty night, maemo | 01:16 |
| inz | corecode, if it's GType or gsize, then yes | 01:16 |
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| inz | corecode, or then you could make it pass g_type_name(...) and change it back using g_type_from_name(); but that would be quite a bit slower, obviously =) | 01:17 |
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| corecode | tny-gtk-header-list-model.c:489: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size | 01:20 |
| corecode | :/ | 01:20 |
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| corecode | mm no that's something else | 01:21 |
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| corecode | \o/ | 01:22 |
| corecode | works | 01:22 |
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| inz | Wunderbar. | 01:23 |
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| n00bmonk3y | khertan: are you alive? :D | 01:25 |
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| javispedro | btw | 01:34 |
| javispedro | I was today playing with some underclocking and drnoksnes | 01:34 |
| javispedro | at 250Mhz the software scaler becomes slower than the GPU assisted scaling | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | (at 500Mhz it's still somewhat faster) | 01:35 |
| javispedro | it's very much playable at 250Mhz + gpu, just a bit slower than n810 with hardware scaling | 01:36 |
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| javispedro | but the battery savings seem negligible... | 01:37 |
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| pupnik_ | interesting javispedro .. too about about battery savings | 01:42 |
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| pupnik_ | too bad about | 01:44 |
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| javispedro | I'm pondering adding pbuffer support to SDL_gles.. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | or just leave it to the app | 01:45 |
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| javispedro | either way using pbuffers is stupid when you can use fbos | 01:45 |
| javispedro | so no. | 01:45 |
| javispedro | that was quick :P | 01:45 |
| pupnik_ | fbos? | 01:46 |
| javispedro | framebuffer objects | 01:46 |
| pupnik_ | this wondrous thing is what you implemented in drnoksnes in dec? | 01:47 |
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| mikkov | javispedro: could you upload sdlgles to extras-devel? | 02:01 |
| javispedro | ok | 02:01 |
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| mikkov | I have glTron and tuxrace/tuxrider working more or less | 02:02 |
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| mikkov | I just need confirmation of tuxrider's gles wrapper licence | 02:02 |
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| pupnik_ | fantastic | 02:03 |
| javispedro | ah yes, the wrapper was done by some iphone guy? | 02:04 |
| javispedro | iirc. | 02:04 |
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| mikkov | tuxrider guy made a wrapper http://www.barlow-server.com/tuxriderworldchallenge/ | 02:08 |
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| mikkov | It's not the one which I saw at talk.maemo.org (bsd licenced) | 02:08 |
| mikkov | You need still quite a bit hacking, but it has the most important things included | 02:09 |
| javispedro | can't wait to play that | 02:09 |
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| mikkov | tuxracer has all the menus screwed up, but the actual game is perfect | 02:10 |
| javispedro | and performance? | 02:11 |
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| mikkov | I don't know the fps but good enough, I don't see any problems with performance | 02:11 |
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| mikkov | I think that some effort more games which are not using glut can be ported | 02:12 |
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| javispedro | glut is easy enough to reimplement too. | 02:12 |
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| mikkov | for glut there actually exists glut|es | 02:13 |
| javispedro | i already started (called it glust) but stopped since I saw someone alraedy did it | 02:13 |
| javispedro | heh. | 02:13 |
| mikkov | http://glutes.sourceforge.net/ | 02:13 |
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| pupnik_ | you know any command line tricks to get a .mp4 playing at fullspeed in mplayer? | 02:14 |
| crashanddie | pupnik_: mplayer filename.mp4 | 02:14 |
| javispedro | mikkov: aha, sdlgles already went through the autobuilder. ping me if you find any issues with the packaging. | 02:15 |
| mikkov | so far I haven't seen any problems | 02:15 |
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| javispedro | I've changed the build-deps so that it builds in both x86 and armel, but that shouldn't break much :) | 02:16 |
| mikkov | I have to wait for answer from tuxracer guy before I can upload | 02:16 |
| javispedro | oh | 02:16 |
| javispedro | :'( | 02:17 |
| mikkov | Well in theory I think all code there should be GPL | 02:17 |
| javispedro | that says on the front page. | 02:17 |
| mikkov | the actual files say "All rights reserved" | 02:18 |
| javispedro | hm :S | 02:18 |
| javispedro | better wait then. | 02:18 |
| mikkov | but I think it's mostly trivial code for people who know the stuff | 02:18 |
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| javispedro | it targets gl es 1.1 then? | 02:19 |
| mikkov | so you can make a clean room implementation :) | 02:19 |
| mikkov | gles1.1 yes | 02:19 |
| * javispedro thinks N810... will try if I find the time | 02:20 | |
| lardman | night chaps | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | night lardman | 02:22 |
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| javispedro | hm.. the armel package does not depend on EGL. | 02:27 |
| javispedro | fortunately the GLES1/2 packages do. | 02:27 |
| mikkov | gles library is not automatically recognised | 02:27 |
| javispedro | ah, messed shlibdeps. | 02:28 |
| javispedro | nice. | 02:28 |
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| javispedro | well, since you need a gles1 or 2 package to use it and it will pull egl I won't bother. | 02:28 |
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| mikkov | true | 02:30 |
| mikkov | there is problem with tuxracer name. Apparently tuxracer cannot be called tuxracer and tuxrider is probably out of the question too :) | 02:31 |
| mikkov | so I was thinking tuxrace :) | 02:32 |
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| crs | Hi. | 02:35 |
| Lumpio- | tuxracier | 02:36 |
| javispedro | drnokrace :) | 02:37 |
| javispedro | (i'm such an evil genius ;P ) | 02:37 |
| inz | tuxricer | 02:37 |
| mikkov | just need a splash screen | 02:37 |
| inz | http://www.funroll-loops.info/ | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | torxracer | 02:40 |
| javispedro | nice read. | 02:40 |
| crs | In which repo can I find tweakr? | 02:40 |
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| mikkov | extras-testing | 02:40 |
| crs | and how can I add it? | 02:41 |
| crs | I mean, what is url to it? | 02:41 |
| mikkov | same as extras but replace extras with extras-testing | 02:42 |
| crs | ok, thank | 02:42 |
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| crs | mikkov: Ok, got it, thatnks. | 02:47 |
| javispedro | baaaah I want torxturxituxriracer already! | 02:50 |
| mikkov | I could send it you | 02:50 |
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| javispedro | hm.. why not? :P | 02:51 |
| mikkov | whole package seems to be 30M | 02:52 |
| javispedro | ouch. | 02:52 |
| javispedro | I can wait then :P | 02:52 |
| mikkov | binary is 500 kB | 02:52 |
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| mikkov | you would need the binary and data directory from tuxrider+ musics and sounds from tuxracer | 02:54 |
| javispedro | ah, btw | 02:54 |
| javispedro | you use sdlmixer for music (midi?)? | 02:54 |
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| mikkov | music/options1-jt.it: Impulse Tracker module sound data - "tux racer - options" compatible w/ITv217 created w/ITv214 | 02:55 |
| mikkov | sdlmixer yes | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | "At first glance, it looks as if we're in the middle of a patent lawsuit Super Bowl party. Nearly every large mobile phone player has recently been involved in some sort of patent litigation regarding mobile technologies." | 03:12 |
| javispedro | what a fun market to be in. | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hopefully they all tear eachothe down. | 03:13 |
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| javispedro | http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/03/03/technology/bits-suepatent2/bits-suepatent2-blogSpan.jpg | 03:14 |
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| javispedro | note that the graphic "conveniently" ignores Palm but they're in deep shit too. They already were before making the Pre, even. | 03:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Kodak? lol | 03:23 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 03:24 |
| * RST38h back stateside | 03:24 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Yo | 03:24 |
| javispedro | moo RST | 03:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's the weather? | 03:24 |
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| RST38h | General: only a bit warmer than MSK | 03:25 |
| RST38h | Although forecast looks good =) | 03:25 |
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| javispedro | ah, yet again the color palette of angry birds made tmo news. | 03:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | lol | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Paid content back yet? | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Think they're waiting on PR1.2? :D | 03:38 |
| * GeneralAntilles waits for an early Harmattan security framework deployment. | 03:38 | |
| javispedro | dunno, I'm very much new to all this "being on the latest version" new fangled thing :) | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nokia can even market it like they're bringing Harmattan features to N900! | 03:38 |
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| * javispedro tried angry birds for first time.. 4 days ago. | 03:39 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Get with the times! | 03:39 |
| javispedro | I'm definitely keeping it though :P | 03:39 |
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| javispedro | btw what's with the new microb's "focus the address bar" (or something like that, since I have i18n'd version) option | 03:40 |
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| ShadowJK | It's allegedly stupid | 03:40 |
| javispedro | it actually focuses the address bar, preventing me from writing anything in text fields. | 03:40 |
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| javispedro | I mean, it exactly does what it says on the tin :) | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, it's buggy as hell. | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | You can tap in text fields and they get focus back | 03:40 |
| ShadowJK | but the location bar steals the focus occasionally anyway | 03:41 |
| javispedro | for a single character, after which the address bar gets focused again | 03:41 |
| ShadowJK | iirc timeless said they fought against it and the best they got was option to disable it :) | 03:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Gotta love idiot UI people. | 03:41 |
| javispedro | thank god they managed to get that instead of yet another 4 key combination | 03:41 |
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| javispedro | I though those "people" would have run away from Maemo and moved onto the next Symbian UI already :P | 03:43 |
| crashanddie | UI is management versus logic | 03:43 |
| * javispedro is reminded of that coders vs ui people slides on #maebar | 03:44 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I just wish these people had public presences so they could be abused more directly. | 03:44 |
| * GeneralAntilles missed that talk. | 03:44 | |
| javispedro | and as usual, nobody uploaded the slides afai seen. | 03:45 |
| GeneralAntilles | We just need to hook the presentation machines directly into slideshare or maemo.org or something | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | In order to give your talk you have to upload them. | 03:46 |
| javispedro | next summit I'm going to come with a basket "please deposit pen drive with your slides here if you want to see another birthday. | 03:46 |
| crashanddie | Nha, just force them to run presentations off slideshare directly | 03:47 |
| crashanddie | They can upload it whenever they want, only slideshare is connected to projector | 03:47 |
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| javispedro | they can choose that or the laptop with ms powerpoint 95 | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | But they have to retype their talk | 03:52 |
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| javispedro | ah, engadget is at it again | 03:55 |
| javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/meego-repository-going-public-later-this-month-coming-to-nokia/ | 03:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thankfully they didn't interpret it as full Harmattan support | 03:56 |
| javispedro | yes, it could have been worse :) | 03:56 |
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| * RST38h wonders how UI people rise up in the ranks while being compltely disconnected from actual users | 04:14 | |
| ShadowJK | Anyone who claims any interface is "intuitive" has clearly never ever seen a user :) | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a baby. | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd love to understand the process behind that thought - the addressbar thing | 04:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Half of it must be management meddling where they shouldn't. | 04:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't take much to turn a good idea into shit where UIs are concerned. | 04:18 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, Palm has got it right initially, but it cost them a LOT of work | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I love the nipple analogy | 04:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | considering the difficulty so many parents have with nursing. | 04:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: They basically counted clicks for every activity and optimized for the minimal number of clicks | 04:20 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: exactly. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: or indeed most animals | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, maybe someone clueless saw all the whining about ^L not focusing location bar in diablo :) | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | So instead of just making ctrl-l work and calling it a day we make EVERYTHING focus the location bar! | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | GENIUS!!! | 04:21 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, that's just making things efficient, nothing about making things intuitive | 04:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Intuitive is stupid | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | When I use an interface for hours a day I don't care how easy it was to get started a year ago. | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yup | 04:22 |
| ShadowJK | You know what the most beginner unfriendly things are? People who write beginner-friendly software | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm beginning to wonder if I really need shiny desktop effects. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Stupid Nokia | 04:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Not sure what they did to make things intuitive but it worked as well. Maybe because the whole thing was very simple to beign with | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if I just want the transitions to bang. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Why did they have the screw up the version string on PR1.1.1? | 04:23 |
| ShadowJK | srsly. They all have flashy stupid themed UIs, that look completely different than the standard UI elements they're struggling to learn | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9407 | 04:27 |
| povbot | Bug 9407: Do not show fullscreen button when scrolling with the keyboard | 04:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | I should've filed that months ago. | 04:27 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there's transition-control btw to turn them off | 04:28 |
| SpeedEvil | O leow | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I know | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I really actually want some fast way of flipping apps. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | May get round to that | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | for example, if keyboard open, lock button goes to previous window | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, there's a patched h-d that ties in with camkeyd that does that. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh. | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | have to look that up | 04:34 |
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| RST38h | Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location. | 04:35 |
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| RST38h | poor iphone developers, there is no object that is too large for their collective butt | 04:36 |
| crashanddie | Meh, they just need to repackage it | 04:37 |
| crashanddie | Or make it a hidden feature | 04:37 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, Apple finds those too. | 04:53 |
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| crashanddie | How about making an app that does geo-loc based on wifi hotspots? | 04:54 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 04:54 |
| crashanddie | keep the feature, just don't make an app that does just that | 04:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can you imagine investing that kind of time and effort into an application and having Apple screw you over like that? | 04:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't believe developers still come flocking to the platform. | 04:55 |
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| RST38h | it makes no sense into investing time and effort into something that sells for <$10 | 04:56 |
| RST38h | you simply won't get any money from it | 04:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: but you make it up in volume. | 04:57 |
| RST38h | Speed: No, you do not | 04:57 |
| RST38h | Speed: To earn, let us say, $3000/mo you have to sell 300 copies / month or 10 per day | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some do | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | But that giant freaking longtail | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Or 1day of 10 apps | 04:58 |
| RST38h | Speed: Now, with tens of thousands of apps in the app store, your chance of selling 10/day is very slim | 04:58 |
| derf | It's okay. Most of those people wouldn't have been able to do anything productive with that time anyway. | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 'course, the amount of effort that goes into most of those "applications" is small. | 04:58 |
| RST38h | General: It is not a longtail. It is a freaking lotteyr | 04:58 |
| RST38h | lottery | 04:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, +1 | 04:59 |
| RST38h | derf: Hmm, an interesting justification =) | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I love how people talk about the numbers in the app store like it's something to be proud of | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | 90% of it is useless spam | 04:59 |
| derf | RST38h: No harm, no foul. | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | derf, maybe keeps petty theft down a bit? ;) | 04:59 |
| RST38h | General: Oh you do know that the Chinese have figured out App Store farming? | 04:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, oh? | 04:59 |
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| RST38h | General: They release thousands of iPhone apps, usually repackaged Gutenberg content, silly sounds etc | 05:00 |
| RST38h | General: They have got enough people to produce a LOT of apps. The quality of these "developers" is of course very low, but the goal here is not to write good apps, but to carpet-bomb App Store | 05:00 |
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| RST38h | General: Something similar had been done to MIDP apps before, but the scale is incomparable | 05:01 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Love it. | 05:04 |
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| * RST38h finally got to try BH-905. Nice, really nice. | 05:06 | |
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| RST38h | No way to see if they hang up though, without cell service working | 05:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I can't take audio products from non-audio companies seriously. | 05:09 |
| RST38h | Not an audiophile, so they are ok with me =) | 05:10 |
| RST38h | (ok, way way better than anything I have owned so far) | 05:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | You know, if there's one thing to be said for Nokia they do provide nice press photos. | 05:11 |
| RST38h | Oh, they also provide nice products. EVERY NOW AND THEN. =) | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | With zero backing to go with them, unfortunately. | 05:12 |
| RST38h | That seems to be popular with other companies too | 05:12 |
| RST38h | Casio, Samsung, Asus, etc | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | True enough | 05:13 |
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| GeneralAntilles | But I figure we should hold Nokia to higher standards. ;) | 05:13 |
| RST38h | Dunno, my opinion is that Nokia should view providing software updates / fixes to its existing products as a service that increases value of its products, very much like Comes With Music or Maps | 05:14 |
| RST38h | And save money by maintaining a single code trunk for multiple devices rather than a separate trunk for each device like they seem to do | 05:15 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Indeed | 05:17 |
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| RST38h | <sleep> | 05:19 |
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| sobczyk | hi are there any ocr for n900? I'm intrerested especially in korean | 05:24 |
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| LiraNuna | got my N900 today! | 06:09 |
| ShadowJK | cool :) | 06:09 |
| LiraNuna | how come the USB/recharge port is on the top? | 06:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's the right side. :) | 06:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, left. | 06:10 |
| * GeneralAntilles is thinking N800. | 06:10 | |
| LiraNuna | GeneralAntilles, it's not fun to talk to the phone when it's charging | 06:10 |
| zerojay | It's ever fun to talk on the phone at all? | 06:10 |
| zerojay | Any phone? | 06:11 |
| ShadowJK | lol, quite | 06:11 |
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| LiraNuna | where is the game I keep seeing on youtube | 06:13 |
| LiraNuna | that ball game | 06:13 |
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| ShadowJK | upgrade to latest os, ovi store | 06:16 |
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| crashanddie | LiraNuna: football, pretty big, you may have heard of a small championship in the US recently | 06:16 |
| LiraNuna | hahahaha | 06:17 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't heard of any football championship in the US, ever | 06:17 | |
| ShadowJK | though there's one to be held in south africa soon isn't there? :) | 06:17 |
| mgregsond | ShadowJK: Depends on your definition of "football". | 06:18 |
| LiraNuna | I don't think he means handegg | 06:18 |
| mgregsond | LiraNuna: That the current term? | 06:18 |
| mgregsond | LiraNuna: I kinda like it. | 06:19 |
| LiraNuna | I've heard it a lot | 06:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | socker? football? | 06:24 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: handegg | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite sure though in South Africa that's a socker championship | 06:29 |
| ShadowJK | ha I was right | 06:29 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCNRGrHMY8c | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: football otoh is very popular in USA | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.planobeta.com/wp-content/uploads/futebol-handegg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.planobeta.com/tag/futebol/&usg=__F0Qfy2A7UMdKJoE9tu5sKRKZEf8=&h=500&w=700&sz=81&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=X6-Ixv_5bWdE9M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhandegg%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official%26tbs%3Disch:1 | 06:30 |
| crashanddie | woops, bit long | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick yourself for spamming :-P | 06:31 |
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| ali1234 | regarding the whole "charging port is on wrong end" thing... doesn't the N900 have stereo speakers and mic? meaning it doesn't matter which way up you hold it while speaking... | 06:35 |
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| ShadowJK | actually 3 speakers | 06:36 |
| ali1234 | or put another way, it can be fixed in software, by making the portrait mode go the other way (or follow accelerometer) | 06:36 |
| ShadowJK | there's a third one when you dont wnt everyone around you to hear the call too | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football vs http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fussball | 06:36 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's also foosball vs fussball | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: futsal | 06:39 |
| crashanddie | futsal is pretty amazingly good actually | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socker vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | but actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football that's all or nothing | 06:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That popularity distribution graphics is super confusing | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | just no handegg | 06:42 |
| cehteh | LiraNuna: yeah, charger and usb are just on the wong sides | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | Except that Fussball und futsal oder football are all based off a very simple concept: ball hitting foot. | 06:43 |
| crashanddie | Running around with a non-spherical object in your hand is not, by definition, foot-ball | 06:44 |
| cehteh | it isnt egg-ball either :) | 06:44 |
| crashanddie | handegg | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's either american football, or rughby | 06:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/gh/g/ | 06:47 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: it's either american football, or rugby | 06:47 |
| lpotter | well, if you are being technical.. it isn't an egg | 06:49 |
| hotchip | the only solution to that is to simply abolish the word football | 06:49 |
| hotchip | there's soccer and american football | 06:49 |
| hotchip | nothing else | 06:50 |
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| lpotter | there is australian rules football too | 06:50 |
| fwrnando | falls into soccer | 06:50 |
| fwrnando | (unless they use hands) | 06:50 |
| fwrnando | (they...don't, I hope, right?) | 06:50 |
| lpotter | its not soccer | 06:50 |
| fwrnando | oval-shaped fields? | 06:51 |
| fwrnando | what the hell australia | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby#Unterschiede_der_einzelnen_Rugby-_und_Footballspielarten | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | amazingly the german wiki is much better on that topic- wonder why ;-) | 06:51 |
| fwrnando | ok, so that's australian football from now on | 06:51 |
| lpotter | gotta get some good use of the cricket things | 06:52 |
| fwrnando | still, no single generic football | 06:52 |
| fwrnando | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_%28Sportart%29 someone make a disambiguation page | 06:52 |
| fwrnando | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_football | 06:53 |
| LiraNuna | is there an adblock for the mobile browser in the N900? | 06:53 |
| fwrnando | ...I didn't know this name | 06:53 |
| fwrnando | LiraNuna: follow the instructions here http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ | 06:53 |
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| LiraNuna | ah, ty | 06:54 |
| fwrnando | (the repositories adblock is broken) (kinda) | 06:54 |
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| mmgcs | best stock app/widget for N900? StockThis? | 06:59 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, how come that instead of looking like this | 07:00 |
| LiraNuna | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/Screenshot-20091024-152452.png | 07:00 |
| LiraNuna | it looks like GTK? | 07:00 |
| fwrnando | he installed a firefox theme on his microb earlier | 07:00 |
| fwrnando | (hence the space shuttle) | 07:00 |
| LiraNuna | so it's supposed to look like stock GTK? | 07:00 |
| fwrnando | yeah | 07:00 |
| microlith | LiraNuna: is that microB or firefox mobile? | 07:01 |
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| fwrnando | microb | 07:01 |
| microlith | hmm | 07:01 |
| microlith | I don't think addons from mozilla.org will work properly with microB | 07:01 |
| fwrnando | yeah, that's why that's a special version | 07:02 |
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| fwrnando | https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/extensions/adblockplus-webaddon/patch_against_original_adblock1.1.diff | 07:03 |
| fwrnando | not a lot changed tho :o | 07:03 |
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| microlith | err, that version still won't work | 07:05 |
| microlith | microB doesn't support the toolbar buttons or the blockable items panel | 07:05 |
| microlith | never mind the config dialogs | 07:05 |
| fwrnando | http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/12/ | 07:05 |
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| microlith | hmm | 07:06 |
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| microlith | I suppose that works | 07:06 |
| fwrnando | sure, a little clunky at first, but it's literally set it and forget it | 07:07 |
| LiraNuna | so the N900 doesn't recognize horizontal/vertical position | 07:07 |
| fwrnando | and opposed to css blocking or other stuff, that actually doesn't load ads at all, saving network traffic | 07:07 |
| fwrnando | LiraNuna: how so? | 07:07 |
| fwrnando | auto rotation? works on the phone app :P | 07:07 |
| LiraNuna | hmm, not here | 07:07 |
| microlith | that said, I've still got the older port of ABP installed | 07:07 |
| LiraNuna | only when I open the keyboard | 07:08 |
| cehteh | devel & testing down? .. i think they hold the record of being more down that up | 07:08 |
| cehteh | LiraNuna: you have to enable it in its settings | 07:08 |
| fwrnando | set the phone app to | 07:08 |
| fwrnando | yeah that | 07:08 |
| LiraNuna | ah, I See | 07:08 |
| cehteh | ah .. not down .. no space left on device .. brillan ... grr | 07:08 |
| fwrnando | lol | 07:08 |
| LiraNuna | under where | 07:09 |
| fwrnando | phone app > tap title bar > settings | 07:09 |
| fwrnando | er I meant turning control | 07:09 |
| fwrnando | (wasn't looking at mine right now) | 07:09 |
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| cehteh | hmpf .. ext3 is module not in kernel .. anyone had success moving /var on another partition? | 07:11 |
| * cehteh thinks he he needs a 2nd device for playing, bricking and unbricking constantly :P | 07:11 | |
| microlith | err, n900 right? | 07:12 |
| cehteh | what else | 07:12 |
| microlith | well for all I know, N800... | 07:12 |
| ShadowJK | dude /home is ext3 | 07:13 |
| fwrnando | lol | 07:13 |
| microlith | anyway, | 07:13 |
| microlith | yeah that | 07:13 |
| microlith | it has to have ext3 | 07:13 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: yes but ext3 is a module not in the kernel .. i dont know how the boot process exactly works and i dont want to figure out in the hard way | 07:13 |
| cehteh | moving /var/ to the home partition | 07:13 |
| microlith | if it's not in lsmod then it's probably compiled in | 07:14 |
| cehteh | it is in lsmod | 07:14 |
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| cehteh | so moving over may not boot | 07:14 |
| ShadowJK | /lib/modules/current is where it lives | 07:14 |
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| cehteh | yes but does it mount /var before needing it? | 07:14 |
| cehteh | actually it doesnt mount /var at all because its on root | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: mount /home early. then 'touch /home/itworked' | 07:15 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 07:15 |
| cehteh | you mean as test? | 07:15 |
| cehteh | yeah .. maybe a plan | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | to check if you could mount other ext3 | 07:16 |
| cehteh | yes | 07:16 |
| cehteh | didnt you want to try that? | 07:16 |
| * cehteh feels sometimes like a test bunny who paied nokia for being so | 07:16 | |
| ShadowJK | eh | 07:17 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: even if it works, it will break with pr1.2 again | 07:17 |
| ShadowJK | Stay in the box if you don't want to be testbunny | 07:17 |
| cehteh | .. or free my device completely .. maybe after 1.2.1 or so .. it doesnt look like nokia will put very much efforts in new features anyways | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: yeah I planned to do that. Alas I managed to get done exactly _nothing_ since a week now - except coughing and sleep at very strange times | 07:19 |
| cehteh | heh ok .. | 07:19 |
| cehteh | well new 'pr' releases are all deb's .. i guess one can dismantle them and install just whats needed without reflashing the kernel or overriding certain boot scripts for example | 07:20 |
| ShadowJK | I think the priority should be on fixing bugs, obviously ;) | 07:21 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: this fuba partitions strives to be a bug | 07:21 |
| ShadowJK | The real wtf is that it suddenly became such a big hurdle to do "./configure --prefix=/opt/maemo" instead of ./configure ;D | 07:22 |
| cehteh | eh | 07:22 |
| cehteh | the real hurdle is not to have /usr on that home partition | 07:22 |
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| cehteh | have a minimal bootable system in / .. make / readonly .. mount (bind-mount) in the boot procees everything really needed | 07:23 |
| ShadowJK | I don't want everything to run off of the emmc.. It's a lagfest already with just swap, gpodder and gpodder data on same emmc :) | 07:24 |
| cehteh | hey even /bin and other root things could be over-mounted .. then you can have a rock solid readonly root wich always works, no matter what the user installs | 07:24 |
| cehteh | anything you run ends in page cache eventually it wont slow it that much down | 07:25 |
| ShadowJK | You've obviously never actually used it | 07:25 |
| cehteh | and basically with optifying we already do this .. so nothing to loose | 07:25 |
| ShadowJK | You just need to download a podcast in gpodder and the taskswitcher becomes a 1fps lagfest | 07:25 |
| cehteh | yeah i know | 07:26 |
| cehteh | i dont use gepodder but other workloads generate that here | 07:26 |
| cehteh | but there is really nothing you can do except having a faster emmc and maybe better filesystem | 07:26 |
| cehteh | (my tests with ext4 almost gave the double speed) | 07:26 |
| ShadowJK | I've been doing some filesystem benchmarks, and the only filesystem with acceptable latency behaviour so far seems to be ubifs and nilfs2. ubifs doesn't work on block devices, and nilfs2 while otherwise awesome, does an enormous amount of writing to the flash... | 07:27 |
| FIQ | hm | 07:27 |
| FIQ | maybe a stupid question to ask here, but | 07:27 |
| cehteh | nilfs2 is bad for flash devices .. but can have excellent write performance | 07:27 |
| ShadowJK | And by enormous I mean it could probably eat the battery all by itself in a day (compare with the weeklong full idle battery) | 07:27 |
| FIQ | why use a huge 27GB MyDocs partition and only a 2GB partition to files? | 07:28 |
| FIQ | i would prefer swapping them or smth | 07:28 |
| ShadowJK | Apparently LogFS is coming to mainline soon, going to test that too then. I've heard good things about it, and the author is very aware of these kinds of issues | 07:28 |
| cehteh | the 2gb is enough for me | 07:28 |
| ShadowJK | FIQ, basically the MyDocs is vfat so that it works with all operating systems when you plug in the USB cable | 07:28 |
| crashanddie | FIQ: it's a "most common denominator" thing | 07:29 |
| cehteh | mine ist ext3 meanwhile :P | 07:29 |
| FIQ | k | 07:29 |
| crashanddie | FIQ: this device was geared towards a multimedia angle, so having anything less than 20GB available for music and video was pointless really | 07:29 |
| ShadowJK | The 2 gigabytes was chosen so that the tracker's index of 27GB + 16GB of "average" length mp3 songs could fit on it | 07:29 |
| cehteh | well ext3 doesnt give performance over vfat (at least not significant) | 07:29 |
| FIQ | hah | 07:30 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: heh | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: does remove the 4GB limit though | 07:30 |
| FIQ | i prefer this for computer experience though | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | How'd'you think the mob would have reacted had the initial conclusion been "well, yeah, it has 32GB, but really, you can only use 16GB for music" | 07:30 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: i use it because a lot of other advantages .. permissions, symlinks, no 4gb limit and so on | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: sure | 07:31 |
| FIQ | hm | 07:31 |
| cehteh | but ext4 really gave a speed boost too | 07:31 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: then again, how many people will use permissions on a single-user device? | 07:31 |
| cehteh | o/ | 07:31 |
| cehteh | well mostly to make a chroot of the sdk on the mmc :) | 07:31 |
| crashanddie | also, fat enabled them to seamlessly limit the damage of people downloading and executing crap without understanding it | 07:32 |
| cehteh | haha | 07:32 |
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| FIQ | you've a point there. :p | 07:32 |
| FIQ | 4MB free RAM | 07:32 |
| cehteh | well .. my argument is that its quite a lot pain when you try to divert from nokias path .. much more pain than you have on a debian system | 07:33 |
| cehteh | and that doesnt really feel right | 07:33 |
| FIQ | in symbian, that would be "omg, it's going to reboot soon" | 07:33 |
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| cehteh | of course i am aware that i am responsible by myself for any changes i do .. but nokias thinking/setup throws one a lot unnnecessary bricks in the way | 07:34 |
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| FIQ | hm, why does the taskmgr freezes sometimes? | 07:35 |
| FIQ | and you'll have to press menu, empty area and again try to switch to an application | 07:35 |
| ShadowJK | ext4 vs ext3 on flash from a performance point of view is more of a "catastrophic" to "horrible" "upgrade" ;-) | 07:36 |
| ponyofdeath | hi guys wondering if anyone here has converted his mmc card to ext3 from vfat and if i should just unmount and mkfs.ext3 or are there some tips? | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | go ahead. Won't automount anymore - otherwise works | 07:38 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: really so i have to manually mount it every reboot? | 07:39 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: cant just add to fstab | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | fstab is a weird thing on N900 | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's generated on each boot | 07:40 |
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| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: i see so no good way of doing it i guess mounting each time is not that bad | 07:40 |
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| fwrnando | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46496 lol | 07:45 |
| fwrnando | "so am I. there's a guy cracked X-plore so that it became a free sw" | 07:46 |
| pwnguin | what the hell is xplore? | 07:47 |
| fwrnando | file manager for symbian devices | 07:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer facepalms | 07:48 | |
| fwrnando | call me bitter, but I hate end-users that just come to t.m.o just thinking the N900 is the next flagship Nseries | 07:48 |
| crashanddie | fwrnando: bitter | 07:49 |
| fwrnando | :P | 07:49 |
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| Vratha | hi all! | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: Hi alone! | 07:50 |
| fwrnando | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46530 and the same dude just made the Nth thread about meego on the N900 | 07:50 |
| fwrnando | haha | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | fwrnando: please do report threads with the threads they should be merged in | 07:50 |
| crashanddie | fwrnando: the mods have a lot of work these days, it's hard to stay on top of everything | 07:51 |
| Vratha | so i think i might have screwed up my n900's maemo install with some things i was doing. is there a guide to reinstalling the OS somewhere? i'm having trouble finding it. | 07:52 |
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| thresh | OHAI | 07:52 |
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| ponyofdeath | is there a trick to get the fm transmitter working? I go to media player and set it to a frequency then tune my radio to it but nothing just static. | 07:56 |
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| sar3th | ponyofdeath: it worked out-of-the-box for me | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: really? | 07:57 |
| crashanddie | thresh: don't OHAI in here | 07:57 |
| ponyofdeath | sar3th: yeah nothing not even an faint signal | 07:58 |
| Vratha | well, i think i finally found the info | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: finally? | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | ~flash | 07:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap | 07:58 |
| crashanddie | ~flashing | 07:59 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 07:59 |
| fwrnando | lol | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | ~thanks | 07:59 |
| infobot | crashanddie: bitte | 07:59 |
| ponyofdeath | when i use health check i see my fm trans strength is set to 112 | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | ~no, flash is the same as ~flashing | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | ~no flash is the same as flashing | 07:59 |
| ShadowJK | does it keep separate factoids per channel? | 07:59 |
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| infobot | okay, crashanddie | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | damn | 07:59 |
| Vratha | ugh | 07:59 |
| crashanddie | ~no flash is the same as ~flashing | 08:00 |
| infobot | crashanddie: okay | 08:00 |
| crashanddie | ~flash | 08:00 |
| infobot | flash is, like, the same as ~flashing | 08:00 |
| Vratha | rather than follow that bullshit, i'll just follow nokia's info | 08:00 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: bullshit? | 08:00 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: wiki.maemo.org is bullshit? | 08:00 |
| Vratha | you seem to ask lots of one word questions | 08:00 |
| FIQ | meh | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: you take the fun out of life, don't you? | 08:01 |
| Vratha | actually, my life is pretty kick ass | 08:01 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, oh just let me discover on his own that NSU doesn't work | 08:01 |
| crashanddie | Vratha: you come in here asking for help, after not searching at all, and then moan that the info we give is bullshit? | 08:01 |
| Vratha | actually, i found the info i needed before you said anything | 08:02 |
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| Vratha | so it was utterly useless at that point | 08:02 |
| Vratha | and you have no idea whether i searched or not | 08:02 |
| Vratha | you are projecting | 08:02 |
| crashanddie | I'm so tempted... | 08:02 |
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| ml-mobile | oh comcast... | 08:04 |
| FIQ | the microB really likes to shutdown itself randomly | 08:05 |
| FIQ | -the | 08:05 |
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| ShadowJK | That's what happens when something crashes ;) | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:06 |
| FIQ | yes, and microB wins the crash contest for me | 08:06 |
| FIQ | hi | 08:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, aw, you shoulda done it. | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: nope, infobot has one global factoid bse | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | base | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | FIQ, for me it sometimes just kinda half breaks | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | like, the frontend seems to work, I can scroll around in existing pages, but can't click links or zoom | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | or maybe the scrolling was also not working in those cases, I forget... | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 08:07 |
| ShadowJK | usually happens when I read tmo and open up a new window for each thread I want to read | 08:08 |
| ShadowJK | (since that's faster that tap-wait-read-back-wait-read.. | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Vratha: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 08:09 |
| ponyofdeath | is there a way to test that my fm transmitter is functioning? | 08:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, make sure something's playing, the box is checked and you've picked the correct radio station | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tune to that station on a radio with a decent antenna. | 08:10 |
| Vratha | DocScrutinizer: 1995 called; they want that document back | 08:10 |
| FIQ | i don't really know what is so problematic with microb, but it's something | 08:10 |
| FIQ | hm, want opera desktop. :< | 08:10 |
| FIQ | they should compile it for arm. :D | 08:10 |
| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: all the above checked changed multiple stations too | 08:10 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Vratha, you sure have an interesting way of getting people to help you. | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: GeneralAntilles: +1 | 08:10 |
| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: i can use the fm radio player to tune in on fm stations but not the fm transmitter | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, unrelated parts. | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably a /kick would help | 08:11 |
| Vratha | yes, stating my question and stating i'm having trouble finding it is really "crazy insane". obviously i had been searching "teh googlez" for it | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | FM RX is part of the Bluetooth chipset, FM TX is a separate unit. | 08:11 |
| Vratha | anyway, it's pointless now, as i found what i needed | 08:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, it's very Windows-esque troubleshooting, but have you restarted? | 08:12 |
| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: yes just restarted i even downloaded the fm tx boost script | 08:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, hum hum. | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | morning GeneralAntilles, DocScrutinizer & tekojo | 08:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody smarter than me may be able to come up with some sys entries you can poke | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | moinmoin Stskeeps | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 08:13 |
| tekojo | Morning Stskeeps, up early! | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, has it ever worked? | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | ponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx? | 08:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, and I'm assuming you're in a country where it's not illegal? | 08:13 |
| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: no just got my phone recently and trying to get that feature working | 08:13 |
| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: yes usa | 08:13 |
| ponyofdeath | checked nokia's page | 08:13 |
| crashanddie | not in tenessee? | 08:14 |
| ponyofdeath | nope california | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, I'm not sure how fragile the internals are. | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suppose it could be possible that the internal antenna is either disconnected or defective | 08:14 |
| crashanddie | ponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx? | 08:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Um, /my/ next troubleshooting step would be a reflash | 08:14 |
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| Stskeeps | tekojo: yeah, it's nice and bright outside now at 7 | 08:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | However that's a bit last resort and somebody else may be able to come up with something more useful. | 08:15 |
| ponyofdeath | crashanddie: nope no error i see the tx icon in the systray | 08:15 |
| crashanddie | ponyofdeath: and how are you "listening" to it? | 08:15 |
| ShadowJK | ponyofdeath, have you posted about this to talk.maemo.org too? | 08:15 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps, certainly a benefit of working from home, up early for irc :) | 08:15 |
| ponyofdeath | ponyofdeath: i have an reciever at home which i use to tune to the fm freq | 08:15 |
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| crashanddie | ponyofdeath: volume is not off? | 08:16 |
| ponyofdeath | ShadowJK: no i have not | 08:16 |
| crashanddie | ponyofdeath: if it's any consolation, I've never managed to get it to work either | 08:16 |
| ShadowJK | ok. I asked because I think someone else posted with very similar sounding problem | 08:16 |
| ponyofdeath | crashanddie: i start media player i can hear music then switch to fm transmitter then volume goes down | 08:16 |
| ponyofdeath | ShadowJK: not just me then | 08:17 |
| FIQ | speaking about sound problems | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: you're aware you need to set the tx freq in system settings I assume? | 08:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, freq can be set from the Media player. | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, ok | 08:17 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: it set in media player when u select fm tx as well same settings screen apears | 08:17 |
| FIQ | when you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for 1s | 08:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests f,-boost | 08:18 | |
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| FIQ | s/1s/as long as the profile sound is going/ | 08:18 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: when you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for as long as the profile sound is going | 08:18 |
| FIQ | hi replacebot | 08:19 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: the transmitter reduces output power when you plug a cable in because of regulations | 08:19 |
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| ponyofdeath | cehteh: i am not plugining in any cables | 08:19 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: i tune to an freq where i hear just noise | 08:20 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: then i set my n900 to that freq and i dont even hear any resemblance of what im playing | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: what receiver setup are you using to listen to the FM-TX, exactly? | 08:20 |
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| ponyofdeath | is there any check i can do that will verify that the fm tx is in working condition | 08:21 |
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| cehteh | the internal antenna is on pcb iirc cant become disconnected | 08:21 |
| FIQ | lol, microb crashed again | 08:21 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: and onkyo reciever i can hear other FM stations | 08:21 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: i also tried in my car | 08:21 |
| cehteh | but in some countries the transmmitter is completely disabled | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: AIUI that receiver has an external antenna | 08:21 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: yes its external | 08:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: the N900 has to be maybe max 2m away from real antenna | 08:22 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: well i should not see the fm tx option then no | 08:22 |
| cehteh | there is a fmtx faker pachkage.. but maybe thats illegal in your county | 08:22 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: yeah i have it right next to antena | 08:22 |
| cehteh | dunno here it is enabled | 08:22 |
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| cehteh | for me the transmitter works well | 08:23 |
| ponyofdeath | is there a way to check if my fm tx is disabled? | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me as wel | 08:23 |
| cehteh | it has no much range. but sill sufficient | 08:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | cehteh, USA. | 08:23 |
| ponyofdeath | what freq u use? | 08:24 |
| cehteh | whatever i like or find free | 08:24 |
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| cehteh | trying to overpower a radio station doesnt work well .. very limited range then | 08:26 |
| cehteh | note that the transmitter has some nanowatts of power only | 08:27 |
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| ponyofdeath | cehteh: yeah i understand that thats why i find a freq where i just hear white noise | 08:28 |
| cehteh | strange | 08:28 |
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| ponyofdeath | cehteh: yeah kinda mad | 08:28 |
| cehteh | even if you dont play music the transmitter sends silence and some beeps | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | I'm still of two minds of writing a remote-controlled voice modulator | 08:29 |
| ponyofdeath | yeah i hear nothing same noise as before i enabled fm tx | 08:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, well, if it comes down to reflash and if it still doesn't work get a replacement. | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | some months ago I could create a RF feedback from TX to FM-receiver. Was a nice testing utility. Alas recent FM-receiver obviously disables FM-TX all times | 08:29 |
| cehteh | mhm ... volume changing by the zoom buttons doesnt work here suddenly .. any ideas? (mediaplayer in front) | 08:29 |
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| ponyofdeath | GeneralAntilles: how will a reflash fix this | 08:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ponyofdeath, dunno, but it may save you having to process an RMA. ;) | 08:30 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: iirc the transmitter uses the receiver to tune in | 08:30 |
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| ShadowJK | I found this frequency waterhole here that's completely free of anything else in a 20-50km radius.. this other day I was listening to music in my car through fmtx when I met a semi, and he had a bigger transmitter than me because the music changed to something ghastly for a second :) | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: you also tried to scan neighbour channels on your onkyo? N900-FM-TX freq might be off | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope | 08:31 |
| cehteh | yeah .. try to look close in the range some difference are comon on different devices | 08:31 |
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| cehteh | ponyofdeath: what kind of radio do you use to receive the fmtx? | 08:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | onkyo | 08:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | he told | 08:33 |
| * cehteh didnt read backlog | 08:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | seems with wirewhip antenna | 08:33 |
| cehteh | thinking .. is it connected to cable or distant antenna .. ok checked already | 08:33 |
| FIQ | i pwns at disconnecting | 08:34 |
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| FIQ | the 3g cover seems bad here (on a train atm) | 08:34 |
| FIQ | ...........ok, now microb crashed _again_ | 08:34 |
| FIQ | does i do nasty things to it? : < | 08:34 |
| cehteh | toggle to 2g | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: to make sure: you don't have a coax cable connected to Onkyo, for antenna? | 08:34 |
| FIQ | is 2g able to use internet at all? | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 08:34 |
| FIQ | anyway, can try next time it d/c's | 08:34 |
| cehteh | FIQ: slow .. but yes | 08:34 |
| FIQ | ok | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's called GPRS or EDGE | 08:34 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: its whatever the fm antena was that it came with i can tune to other fm stations fine so i doubt that is it also it does not work in my car as well | 08:35 |
| FIQ | better than a really instable network. :p | 08:35 |
| cehteh | enouh for irc, im and mail anyways | 08:35 |
| FIQ | gprs.. 2.5g | 08:35 |
| FIQ | gsm = 2g | 08:35 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: onkyo 606 | 08:35 |
| cehteh | maybe no fun to browse picture laden websites | 08:35 |
| FIQ | hm | 08:35 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: i dont know that, just had the idea that you maybe have it connected to coax | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: we're not talking about your car atm. And I'd seriously ask you to check if you connected an antenna cable to the receiver | 08:36 |
| FIQ | it's not good for yt? ;o | 08:36 |
| cehteh | FIQ: stop browsing pr0n on the train | 08:36 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: ohh i see cuz it does look like a coax plug | 08:36 |
| FIQ | </sarcasm> | 08:36 |
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| FIQ | lol cehteh | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | a coax cable to next wall outlet for roof antenna or the like | 08:36 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer yeah the white antena cable is connected | 08:36 |
| FIQ | hm | 08:37 |
| cehteh | haha | 08:37 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: unplug that | 08:37 |
| FIQ | using ps3 controller | 08:37 |
| FIQ | could be great for emus | 08:37 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: why i cant get any signal then | 08:37 |
| cehteh | or put your n900 next to the antenna .. on the roof or wherever :) | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can NOT use FM-TX next a shielded coax cable, the device needs to be next to ACTUAL antenna which is *on your roof* if you use antenna cable | 08:38 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: of course .. you have to be close to the antenna .. nearer than 1m, but works for me as far as 5-6m with reasonable quality | 08:38 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer the antena for the onkyo is not coax its an simple wire | 08:38 |
| cehteh | note that signal strength decreases exponentially to the distance | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: ok then | 08:39 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer: i have the phone right next to the antena | 08:39 |
| cehteh | and no other antenna plugged in? | 08:39 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer: nope just the fm on took the am one out | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that antenna is a single ended wire, yes? just ending in the eair some 1.5m away from Onkyo? | 08:40 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer: yup single wire i put the n900 in varios places around the antena | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok then | 08:41 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh, DocScrutinizer: I would think i would hear atleast an faint signal | 08:41 |
| * cehteh didnt heared about broken transmitters yet .. such a thing is hardly to break since its all inside the bluetooth chip | 08:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | guess you really got a problem with either your firmware or your hw | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope it isn't | 08:41 |
| ponyofdeath | you guys really think that a firmware can fix this | 08:41 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, btw do you have an ID on the battery gauge chip or even a datasheet by now? :-) | 08:42 |
| cehteh | heh we dont know the error .. how should we know the fix? | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: not yet. N900 disassembly still pending ;-) | 08:42 |
| cehteh | like GeneralAntilles saied .. maybe RMA | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: see, if the firmware does any bad on the tx hw, then it might cause that error | 08:43 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: are you dissassembling yours, seriously? | 08:43 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: well im just saying what does the firmware have to do with the fm transmitter | 08:43 |
| ShadowJK | I think the charging chip is known, I didn't realize there was a separate gauge chip too... but in hindsight it should have been obvious as the meter was kinda unsynced from the charging state (I put that down to software) | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: no, my neighbour does. On his N900 ;-P | 08:43 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I'd be interested to know, if so, how hard it is to pry off the plastic casing (I'm going to give fixing my HW problem a shot | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: you know I know I mustn't disassemble not to lose waranty | 08:43 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: firmware contains the driver and stuff .. dunno exactly how its controlled | 08:43 |
| cehteh | but it worked for me with the first firmware | 08:44 |
| cehteh | (production firmware) | 08:44 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: everyone knows that... but some don't care >:) | 08:44 |
| cehteh | of course it can be that you have another hardware revision or whatever | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: that's why my neighbour does that, not me :-P | 08:44 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh what is ur hardware ver | 08:44 |
| cehteh | Hardware: Nokia RX-51 board | 08:45 |
| cehteh | Revision: 2101 | 08:45 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: rx51 as well where do i find the revision | 08:46 |
| cehteh | iirc the only ones i seen in the wild yet .. i hoped for a later one but i dont know how this revision names are relate to production batches | 08:46 |
| cehteh | cat /proc/cpuinfo | 08:46 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: can you interview said neighbourino and enquire as to how hard it is to go about the manouver I described above? :) | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: sure. I'll even take some photos | 08:46 |
| ponyofdeath | cehteh: haha yeah same one | 08:47 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: oh shit! She a looker? | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: nevertheless there's a video on youtube | 08:47 |
| cehteh | well its all skrews, no clamps (maybe a few) and no glue .. i am surprised that this device is actually made for being serviceable and not just replaceable | 08:47 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: yeah... but this was more like... "what's your gutfeeling? Did you feel you were almost breaking the plastics or was there a lot of lee way?" | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: k, I can do that. I'll report on it | 08:48 |
| tybollt | cehteh: hmm ok | 08:48 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: thanks! | 08:48 |
| FIQ | afk | 08:48 |
| cehteh | tybollt: from the disassemble reports i seen so far, its better than most technical gadget crap out there | 08:48 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer,cehteh what is the best way to back up this thing before re-flash when running linux :) | 08:49 |
| tybollt | fair enough - might give it a go then... | 08:49 |
| cehteh | ponyofdeath: rsync? :) | 08:49 |
| cehteh | and git | 08:49 |
| tybollt | ponyofdeath: tar? rsync? dump? | 08:49 |
| cehteh | thats what i use at least | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: use backup app | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: don't reflash the eMMC | 08:49 |
| cehteh | rsync device to laptop and git commit some important files | 08:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ^ | 08:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (aka /home) | 08:50 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: what u mean eMMC | 08:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the chiip/fs where /home and MyDocs live in | 08:50 |
| tybollt | cehteh: git fer backups? Well aren't you the creative feller? :-D | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: the usual rootfs flashing doesn't affect /home | 08:51 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: ohh cool | 08:51 |
| cehteh | tybollt: config files and so on .. not everything | 08:51 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: will it wipe out the pkg's i have installed | 08:51 |
| tybollt | cehteh: in fact... git might be real awesome for that... does git do binary storage/handling well? | 08:51 |
| cehteh | no | 08:52 |
| tybollt | ah, crap >:) | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: nevertheless do a backup to said /home (or uSD) for saving the few settings from /etc etc | 08:52 |
| thresh | well actually it can | 08:52 |
| thresh | tar are pretty much ok | 08:52 |
| thresh | tar.{bz2,gz} arent | 08:52 |
| * tybollt was . o O(pr0n in git - eh?) ;) | 08:52 | |
| cehteh | it doesnt even record full metadata as in permissions / user / groups | 08:52 |
| cehteh | but there are tools for that | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will install all the apps installed via HAM | 08:52 |
| cehteh | well no need ... i just need the history of certain files i modified | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/insta/re-insta/ | 08:53 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: ponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will re-install all the apps installed via HAM | 08:53 |
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| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer, cehteh where does the backup app put the backup ? | 08:56 |
| cehteh | emmc or sd card | 08:56 |
| cehteh | .backups or so | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: then after reflash I suggest you do a test using settings-fm-tx and system tones, rather than immediately restoring and using mediaplayer | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ponyofdeath: you can select that to a certain degree | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | just don't worry, it works | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (backup) | 08:57 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: so enable fm-tx from settings and then play system tones? | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:58 |
| ponyofdeath | so where do i donwload firmware from | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | most generic way, not involving any additional source-of-failure | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia | 08:58 |
| ponyofdeath | cool thanks alot guys | 08:59 |
| ponyofdeath | for your help i hope i dont have to rma it :( | 08:59 |
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| ponyofdeath | i will miss it too much | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:59 |
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| crashanddie | remember kids, don't do s/ //g on a 2gb oracle dump | 09:00 |
| crashanddie | lol... 12040211 occurences replaced | 09:01 |
| cehteh | crashanddie: on the n900? :) | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 09:01 |
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| crashanddie | cehteh: that too | 09:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I humbly doubt | 09:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though *might* work on N900 as well | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | Oracle 11g on N900 | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | Any DBA's wet dream | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 09:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought you're about to transscript tmo to 733t | 09:04 |
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| crashanddie | 26-FEB-1002.35.25.650000AM | 09:06 |
| cehteh | long ago :) | 09:06 |
| crashanddie | what kind of timestamp is that? | 09:06 |
| crashanddie | DD-MON-YYHH.MM.SS.NNNNNN | 09:07 |
| cehteh | ah | 09:07 |
| cehteh | hehe strange | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF??!! http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php messes up between IMEI and product code :-(( WHAT do they want now? | 09:07 |
| cehteh | i thought thats cigarette breaks since larry ellison sold his first oracle installation | 09:08 |
| crashanddie | ok, time to send out weekly report and wrap things up and go home | 09:08 |
| crashanddie | The good thing about doing your reports on Friday between 5PM and 6PM? | 09:09 |
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| crashanddie | Nobody is in the building, so the systems are blisteringly fast | 09:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | more like AM here | 09:10 |
| cehteh | 8:10am to be precise | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | between 5 and 6 AM it's quite common there's nobody else in the office | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I assumed he did all the packaging for the last 2 hours ;-P | 09:11 |
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| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: what do you think about making the window titles in xchat configureable? | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I wonder which TZ it's 6AM now (Fr) | 09:12 |
| cehteh | here the channel name is so much left that its not readable ... grr | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I acked on the idea quite some days ago iirc | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 09:13 |
| cehteh | i think i go after it .. this sux | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: while you're on it, the tabs could use chan-name aliases as well | 09:13 |
| cehteh | what tabs? | 09:13 |
| khertan | y tried JRuby and Duby | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the chan tabs | 09:14 |
| * ShadowJK uses the tree switcher :-/ | 09:14 | |
| cehteh | what do you mean by alias? | 09:14 |
| cehteh | something configureable? | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | with chan names like #openmoko-cdevel it's getting somewhat crowded | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: even then (me too) | 09:15 |
| ShadowJK | I remember something that cut out the middle | 09:15 |
| cehteh | so you want to #openmoko-cdevel -> mokodev | 09:15 |
| cehteh | alike? | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: alias #openmoko-cdevel=omcd | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | in settings | 09:15 |
| cehteh | hum looks a bit complicated for me .. i dont want to invest that much time in it | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | i c | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a suggestion (not even my original idea) | 09:16 |
| cehteh | i just think about some printf style thing for the titles "%c %n" | 09:16 |
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| cehteh | yeah maybe useful but i only want to fix my own itches | 09:16 |
| cehteh | and something which doesnt cost me a day to figure out an code up | 09:17 |
| cehteh | hildonizing xchat, at least some things would be nice too | 09:17 |
| d14 | /w 3 | 09:17 |
| cehteh | channel switcher for example | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | increase hot area of main scrollwindow scrollbar arrows | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the hot area, not the iconsize itself | 09:19 |
| cehteh | i am not gtk programmer dunno if that possible | 09:19 |
| cehteh | and it runs into other widgets anyways ... tiler, channel tabs, text area | 09:20 |
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| cehteh | so that wont be easy | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither, but I'd hope it's simple enough | 09:20 |
| cehteh | note that i have a left-side tabbar instead bottom | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 09:20 |
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| cehteh | the scroll up/down arrows are really broken | 09:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least completely unusable | 09:22 |
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| cehteh | hildonize that area and remove that arrows would be nice | 09:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | the worst thing is my wertzu kbd doesn't have up/down primary keys :-( | 09:23 |
| cehteh | but i have no idea how to do that | 09:23 |
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| crashanddie | Ah, this announcement is music to my ears | 09:25 |
| mece | crashanddie, which announcement? | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oracle joins with sqlite? | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | "Attention ladies and gentlemen, this building will be closing in 35 minutes, if you do not have a signed authorisation to remain after hours, please make your way to the exit" | 09:26 |
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| cehteh | haha | 09:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer really puzzled which TZ crashanddie lives in. Mars station? | 09:27 | |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: Brisbane, Australia | 09:27 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: downunder? | 09:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, so they're even another few hours ahead of far east. I see | 09:27 |
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| cehteh | and maybe dst? | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah , prolly that as well | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: NZ is two hours further even | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yikes | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | for them it's 7:30PM | 09:28 |
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| crashanddie | Friday | 09:28 |
| crashanddie | obviously | 09:28 |
| cehteh | hehe .. anything is sane exept living in the west of china | 09:29 |
| cehteh | whole china has peking-time | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 09:29 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 09:29 |
| ShadowJK | that sounds awesome | 09:29 |
| tybollt | cehteh: "Beijing" | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mainland china==underworld | 09:29 |
| cehteh | i bet people in the west hate it | 09:30 |
| ShadowJK | I sometimes wonder about the origins of "peking" | 09:30 |
| ShadowJK | and "japan" | 09:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers TPE earthquake reports | 09:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | need to check | 09:31 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: I doubt they care really | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: here in Queensland there is no daylight time savings | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | and nobody really cares | 09:32 |
| crashanddie | they just know sun goes up at that time, and goes down at that time... If you don't know any different, couldn't care less | 09:33 |
| cehteh | yeah i dont like dst either | 09:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah yes. Seems I remember aussies are screwed with their local DST regulations | 09:33 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: what is "winter" weather like where you are? Like peak cold of the year? | 09:33 |
| cehteh | but i think office hours, school times and all are also equal thoughout the country | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: considering I've been here for two months I'm not the right person to answer that question | 09:35 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: =) | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | I just had the end of the summer | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | and it's still 26 degrees on average, even though it's been raining quite a bit over the past 2 weeks | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | ~weather YBBN | 09:35 |
| infobot | Brisbane Airport M. O, Australia; (YBBN) 27-23S 153-06E 5M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0700 UTC; Dew Point: 69 F (21 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT) | 09:35 |
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| tybollt | See it just struck me I know all about how freaking hot it gets in .au, but I never really heard of .au winter. | 09:36 |
| ptl | * sigh * | 09:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 09:37 |
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| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 17 F (-8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (310 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT) | 09:37 |
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| tybollt | ~weather ARN | 09:38 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "ARN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 09:38 |
| tybollt | (where I am at :S ) | 09:39 |
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| tybollt | ~weather ESSA | 09:39 |
| infobot | Stockholm / Arlanda, Sweden; (ESSA) 59-39N 017-57E 61M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 5 F (-15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 61%; Temperature: 15 F (-9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (350 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT); Windchill: 3 F (-16 C) | 09:39 |
| jaska | ~weather ISS | 09:40 |
| infobot | I can't find station code "ISS" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). | 09:40 |
| jaska | aww :) | 09:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ICALO are *4* digits | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | letters actually, and ICAO codes | 09:40 |
| jaska | doubt iss has one | 09:40 |
| Corsac | iss is above all that | 09:41 |
| Corsac | :> | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 09:41 |
| jaska | the air pressure and temperature might be a bit off the scale | 09:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually pretty much all values are off or completely meaningless | 09:42 |
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| Corsac | it depends wether the sensors are located inside or outside :) | 09:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's not even such a thing like temperature, honestly | 09:43 |
| Corsac | sure there is | 09:43 |
| Corsac | it's not /that/ cold just above earth | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | inside is a constant, hardcoded to ICAO reports server ;-P | 09:44 |
| Corsac | :)) | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: no air (or any medium for that case) -> no tempeature | 09:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got a radiation temperature, which is something quite different that the usual meaning of temperature | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | than | 09:46 |
| mece | grr argh libtool is giving me trouble. | 09:47 |
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| crashanddie | ~DocScrutinizer++ | 09:51 |
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| crashanddie | it's amazing how many people believe that you would instantly freeze in space -- however if there is nothing that can absorb your heat, then you just "radiate" | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | that being said, I'd rather not be naked when exposed to the Sun | 09:52 |
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| marmoute | crashanddie: pressure is a serious issue out there too. | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | no it isn't | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | the tensile strength of your skin is far greater than the supposed "boiling blood" thing you see in movies | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | your mouth would be dry and tongue would be sizzling, and if you try to hold your breath your lungs would explose | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | but other than that, lack of pressure wouldn't kill you | 09:55 |
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| marmoute | I didn't say you would explode. But you lungs and eyes suffer at some extends. | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:57 |
| tybollt | o_O | 09:58 |
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| tybollt | BIG question is - will my N900 work? | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | all reports / investigations seem to indicate a safe time of 10..20sec and a concious time up to 1 minute -though with severe injuries to eyes etc | 09:58 |
| tybollt | I mean to make phone calls? | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | survival time can be as high as 15 minutes | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: write a sms. Your voice tends to be a little... thin | 09:59 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: sound needs air to travel - right? | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, of course N900 will work | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | until it gets first massive xray hit | 10:01 |
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| tybollt | solar flare? | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard Neo Freeruner even been to space :-D | 10:02 |
| thresh | DocScrutinizer: it is about 3 degrees above absolute zero in Space, IIRC | 10:02 |
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| thresh | radio signals do not require any air | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: astronaut getting pissed off and throwing it into the sun? | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | thresh: that's the radiation temperature of background radiation | 10:03 |
| thresh | if you have a base station near your mobile in the space, you will get signal | 10:03 |
| thresh | and it will actually work | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lol. naw it's been an unmanned mission | 10:03 |
| thresh | well it probably be iced in a minute, bust still | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: soory can't find a pointer. Maybe they (ESA) didn't report on it publically. | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | thresh: no it won't | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | outer space is a perfect dewar "containment" | 10:10 |
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| thresh | yeah, like no radio signals can travel there. | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 10:12 |
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| Vratha | hi there | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thresh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dewar_flask look at the bold "VACUUM" in the red area | 10:14 |
| thresh | outer space is NOT vacuum. | 10:14 |
| Vratha | i've been searching all over the maemo.org site for this for about an hour: whenever i connect my n900 to my Mac, it keeps telling me there is a new network interface to be setup. on my last install, i remember having to setup some file in, i think, /etc/udev/rules.d to fix a mac address or something the n900 was using to a specific address | 10:14 |
| Vratha | does anyone have the link to that help page? | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you think you lunch soup will freeze in a minute when placed into a dewar-flask? | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | thresh: probably a better vacuum than you got in any average quality dewar-flask | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | why is flash player on N900 so slow? I doubt the device is not powerful enough | 10:16 |
| Shrik3 | the device is not powerful enough | 10:16 |
| Shrik3 | flash is slow on a dual quad core mac pro ffs | 10:16 |
| LiraNuna | flash is single threaded so adding mroe cores won't really help | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash is BS | 10:17 |
| Shrik3 | ...exactly | 10:17 |
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| Shrik3 | if adobe can't even be arsed to thread flash, why would anyone think they would make it run on mobile devices | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and flash will eat up all your memory, even when you switch the browser to background, after a few hours at max | 10:18 |
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| Vratha | your battery even, let alone memory | 10:19 |
| enrico | Is there a way to disable the two hands video and nokia tune when the n900 turns on? I'd like the phone to always turn on quietly | 10:19 |
| Vratha | enrico: if your phone is in silent mode when you turn it off/on, it won't play any sound | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice way to bring N900 to a grinding halt: start a youtube video - then when playback finished simply switch to another task and "forget" the browser | 10:20 |
| enrico | Vratha: is there a way to get rid of it also when it's not in silent mode? | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | enrico: yes, you can replace that video by another one | 10:20 |
| enrico | DocScrutinizer: or remove it maybe... do you know where it is in teh file system? | 10:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no | 10:21 |
| Shrik3 | put a 5 minute extremely loud porn video in its place | 10:21 |
| Shrik3 | sell phone on ebay | 10:21 |
| Shrik3 | priceless | 10:21 |
| Guest71220 | enrico: comment out filename=... in /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf, you can remove /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/$the_video_file afterwards | 10:21 |
| enrico | Guest71220: thanks | 10:21 |
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| enrico | The other thing I couldn't find is how to ifup usb0 automatically when I connect usb. udevadm monitor oddly doesn't show events when I plug/unplug usb, although the phone obviously knows | 10:22 |
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| khertan | /join #android | 10:26 |
| bilboed | subtle | 10:26 |
| khertan | /join #maemo | 10:26 |
| khertan | grrr | 10:26 |
| khertan | stupid script | 10:26 |
| khertan | Hello all ! | 10:27 |
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| Vratha | ~help | 10:43 |
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| tybollt | so | 11:02 |
| tybollt | where do I control the volume of the alarm clock? | 11:02 |
| pupnik | is .mp4 a catastrophically slow/heavy video format? | 11:04 |
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| ShadowJK | .mp4 is a container format | 11:06 |
| tybollt | isn't mp4 just the container | 11:06 |
| tybollt | shadowjk beats me to it :P | 11:07 |
| ShadowJK | It suffers from comittee-designism and is pretty thick and complicated | 11:07 |
| ShadowJK | not computationally heavy though | 11:07 |
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| pupnik | ok | 11:08 |
| pupnik | VIDEO: [H264] 640x360 24bpp 23.976 fps 330.4 kbps (40.3 kbyte/s) | 11:08 |
| pupnik | n900 mplayer choking on that | 11:08 |
| ShadowJK | h264 :) | 11:08 |
| rzr | does it ship a theora plugin ? | 11:08 |
| rzr | codec | 11:08 |
| pupnik | it almost can handle playback when i bypass pulseaudio and go straight to alsa | 11:08 |
| ShadowJK | I was going to say that I would imagine that resolution h264 would be sort of on the limit of what MPlayer can play back | 11:09 |
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| raster | pupnik: fullscreen? | 11:09 |
| ShadowJK | -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref | 11:09 |
| ShadowJK | might just make it cope | 11:09 |
| pupnik | hmm trstin | 11:09 |
| ShadowJK | raster, fullscreen or not would have little impact I think? | 11:09 |
| raster | ShadowJK: technically even drawing with xv means doing a draw - i dont knowif it causes a damage eevent in this case | 11:10 |
| raster | as xv may use the overlay | 11:10 |
| ShadowJK | it does | 11:11 |
| raster | if its not usning xv - u are going thru the compositor if not fs | 11:11 |
| raster | if fs compositor turns off | 11:11 |
| raster | and compositor adds a lot of overhead - you lose about 30-40% of framerate with it on - just by numbers | 11:11 |
| ShadowJK | When you go to the task switcher, the MPlayer "preview" is just a cropped version of the movie, not a scaled down version | 11:11 |
| raster | i think visibly it actually worse | 11:11 |
| raster | yeah | 11:12 |
| raster | thats the overlay | 11:12 |
| ShadowJK | which I think means that the compositor isn't fucking with it :) | 11:12 |
| raster | no | 11:12 |
| raster | but the compositor could be using cycles compositing the colorckey thats being redrawn | 11:12 |
| raster | just try it in fs and see if its better | 11:12 |
| raster | fyi - compositor really kills perf :( | 11:12 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 11:13 |
| pupnik | i have never seen so many mixer controls as on n900 alsamixer | 11:13 |
| ShadowJK | Anyone who tried it on a normal linux desktop can see that :) | 11:13 |
| pupnik | Dudex, i GOT IT!! | 11:13 |
| tybollt | pupnik: interesting - why wasn't one settled for? | 11:13 |
| ShadowJK | hehe, I just picked a random one in alsamixer that was at full, and turned it down to half, and the volume range on the volume slider in the GUI suddenly became alot more relevant for my headphones | 11:13 |
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| pupnik | /media/mmc1/video $ pasuspender -- mplayer -fs -nocache -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref -quiet fff-Sheldon-capitalism-versus-free-market.mp4 | 11:14 |
| pupnik | ty ShadowJK | 11:14 |
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| ShadowJK | This reminds me, I started porting the maemo patches to recent mplayer | 11:14 |
| ShadowJK | (the one in Maemo is from December) | 11:14 |
| ShadowJK | in extras, I mean | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | I think I just posted my longest rant on tmo, yet | 11:15 |
| pupnik | is that good for anything?:) | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=556576#post556576 | 11:15 |
| ShadowJK | tl;dr | 11:16 |
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| Shrik3 | "you have waaaayyy too much time on your hands to be guarding a thread this much" =) | 11:20 |
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| crashanddie | Shrik3: I spent a total of 40 minutes for both posts, he's been at it all day | 11:21 |
| Shrik3 | yeah, people like that are weird | 11:21 |
| Shrik3 | wikipedia has a crapton of those | 11:21 |
| Shrik3 | they just camp in wikipedia and argue about the same issues | 11:22 |
| Shrik3 | and usually win just because they're louder than anyone else and have more time | 11:22 |
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| crashanddie | it's like they have revert on a shortcut | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | get an email "Someone edit[REVERTED | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | "but you didn't even read the changes I made, I was correcting a typo[REVERTED COMMENTS PAGE: {REASON: SPAM}] | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | I'd like to takeover wikipedia | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | well, #wikipedia | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | and just +m | 11:24 |
| khertan | crashanddie: damn ! no thx button | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | the whole channel, and the topic would be changed to "Welcome to #wikipedia. The place initially created to talk and share information, but just like wikipedia.org, this is now impossible due to stupid rules" | 11:24 |
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| crashanddie | khertan: read the other one a few pages before as well | 11:25 |
| khertan | crashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.orh | 11:25 |
| khertan | crashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.org | 11:25 |
| khertan | need thx for the previous one too | 11:27 |
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| * ShadowJK stares at the userContent.css that adflashblock-css dragged in | 11:34 | |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if this could be used to fix the minimalist light theme | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
| red | crashanddie: interesting thread | 11:36 |
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| corecode | 0 | 11:38 |
| mece | hey hey has anyone tested joikuspot? | 11:38 |
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| Shrik3 | on an N900, no? | 11:40 |
| Shrik3 | on symbian, yes | 11:40 |
| mece | ok.. how is it on symbian? | 11:40 |
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| Lumpio- | The version I got is somewhat unstable | 11:42 |
| Lumpio- | Somewhat unstable as in it randomly reboots and/or errors after about 10 minutes of use | 11:42 |
| Lumpio- | On N900 thatis | 11:42 |
| Lumpio- | But it's still totally beta, so no high expectations | 11:42 |
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| mece | nod. Seems like a very cool app | 11:44 |
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| pupnik | what is this wd.sharethis.com crap which keeps swapping out its redirector for the real link i want to share | 12:04 |
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| `0660 | i'm sure they provide a valuable service :) | 12:05 |
| pupnik | a new trick to swap in adverts | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | A Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than 10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | that said, if he did it without accidents, maybe he needs a exam proof | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:07 |
| crashanddie | The pilot, whose name was not disclosed, was said to have expressed relief when confronted and taken off his pilot's stripes. | 12:08 |
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| crashanddie | "OH GUYS, I'm so glad you finally caught me! I've been doing this for 13 years and everytime I thought I was going to die!!!!" | 12:08 |
| cehteh | hehe | 12:08 |
| crashanddie | "The terrorists, they told me to do it! They killed the pilot and then I had to fly! I NEVER STOPPED!" | 12:08 |
| rzr | :) | 12:09 |
| * rzr is looking for an astronaut diploma template | 12:09 | |
| crashanddie | btw, there's some nice reporting for ya... "The pilot had been flying for 13 years" -- that's an aweful long time. | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | I'd like to know what plain was used ;) | 12:09 |
| crashanddie | s/plain/plane/ | 12:10 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: I'd like to know what plane was used ;) | 12:10 |
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| rzr | he's got a slow plane , that's what it took that long | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | I don't know what to get for dinner | 12:10 |
| cehteh | nah a fast plane, they didnt managed to caught him | 12:10 |
| crashanddie | pizza, meh. McDonalds? Meh. | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | catch | 12:11 |
| rzr | diy! | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | rzr: I live in a hotel | 12:11 |
| cehteh | hotelbar! | 12:11 |
| d14 | mcd! | 12:11 |
| rzr | no problem , when someone can fake a diploma, got some imagination | 12:11 |
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| rzr | got a bathtub ? got some meat | 12:12 |
| rzr | explore | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: that's old news | 12:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i even buzz'd it yesterday | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | shower-smoked bacon | 12:12 |
| crashanddie | rzr: if I stayed a bit longer, I could plant bacteria in a bit of water, then wait for it to evolve into a new kind of fish! | 12:13 |
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| crashanddie | homemade fish! | 12:13 |
| cehteh | sushi :) | 12:13 |
| crashanddie | did sushi yesterday | 12:14 |
| tybollt | though | 12:14 |
| cehteh | how about italian today? | 12:14 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, I'll probably order a pizza or lasagna | 12:14 |
| tybollt | the pilot in question was actually an educated pilot - he just didn't renew his license | 12:14 |
| tybollt | cehteh: linguini... | 12:14 |
| cehteh | tybollt: why not? bad eyes, alkoholic? | 12:15 |
| red | < crashanddie> A Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than 10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy. | 12:15 |
| red | I bet that guy knew how to fly a lot better than most rookies :) | 12:15 |
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| cehteh | well if he didnt renewed his license and faked some documents it must have some reason | 12:17 |
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| pupnik | and yet he demonstrated an ability to fly competently | 12:18 |
| cehteh | yes .. so why didnt he renewed it? .. could be andthing, drug addic, illness, ... but possible which made him scrared that it wont be renewed | 12:21 |
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| Wolfie | wasn't he licensed to fly only light planes, so it wasn't a matter of just renewing it, but taking all new courses for heavier planes? | 12:21 |
| cehteh | i dont judge about all rules they have to comply too may be reasonable .. but still, i dont want to tell that he is some kind of hero against the system | 12:21 |
| anotnac | he only ever had a license to fly small planes so even if he was licensed still he would not qualify to fly passenger planes | 12:22 |
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| Wolfie | perhaps he was self-certified by playing a lot of Flight Simulator X? :) | 12:22 |
| anotnac | lol | 12:23 |
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| anotnac | he got is training from that flight sim thing in extras | 12:24 |
| pupnik | what is the sim called? | 12:25 |
| anotnac | not sure i remember seeing something though a while back | 12:26 |
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| red | Where has the "thank" button disappeared? =) | 12:28 |
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| ollins | hello, is there a way to synchronize my n900 with kde's kontact? | 12:35 |
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| FIQ | hm | 12:39 |
| FIQ | i'm not a xterm pro | 12:39 |
| FIQ | but.. what's the cmd for changing color+bg? :p | 12:40 |
| cehteh | menu font selection has 2 gray buttons for that | 12:42 |
| FIQ | ah | 12:43 |
| FIQ | there | 12:43 |
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| FIQ | ty | 12:43 |
| Wizzup | wpa_supplicant works @ n900 :) eduroam finally | 12:46 |
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| khertan_ | pffff two bugs need to be enter in the bugs tracker ... | 13:10 |
| khertan_ | but pfff not motivated to do it | 13:11 |
| khertan_ | anyway ... it ll be not fixed ... | 13:11 |
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| mgedmin | khertan_, what bugs? | 13:13 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 13:20 |
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| hrw|n900 | ~curse maemo5 gallery app devs | 13:21 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo5 gallery app devs ! | 13:21 |
| hrw|n900 | photo can be set as avatar for contact. it allows to select area even... but where from it gets pic orientation? | 13:22 |
| hrw|n900 | I opened photo, rotated it, saved, selected as avatar. now contacts shows rotated pic instead of proper :( | 13:23 |
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| khertan_ | mgedmin: all bugs that are in : maemo.org/packages | 13:31 |
| khertan_ | now i can count 8 | 13:31 |
| mgedmin | fun! | 13:31 |
| khertan_ | but anyway ... wontfix as we will switch to meego | 13:32 |
| hrw|n900 | bug #9413 anyone? | 13:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9413 avatar set by Images app has wrong orientation | 13:33 |
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| hrw|n900 | khertan_: all maemo5 bugs are officially 'features' and WONTFIX by default | 13:34 |
| hrw|n900 | thats my feeling | 13:34 |
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| Khertan | mgedmin: vectormine 1.0.6-1 is available in extras-devel but http://maemo.org/packages/view/vectormine/ didn't see it | 13:40 |
| mece | hrw|n900, pic orientation is a general problem with sharing photos too.. | 13:40 |
| Khertan | mgedmin: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.5-1/ has wrong icon | 13:40 |
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| Corsac | Khertan: btw did you fix your mailto: link for bugtracker field? | 13:46 |
| Corsac | Khertan: my two packages have the same problem so… :) | 13:47 |
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| mece | ok so apparently I'm suffering from underlinked libraries | 13:50 |
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| Khertan | Corsac: yes | 13:54 |
| Khertan | and in the same time ... i ll fix also my other problem | 13:54 |
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| Khertan | i ll put my own bugtracker on my website | 13:54 |
| Khertan | and also create my own repository | 13:54 |
| Khertan | less dependant ... more free | 13:54 |
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| jukey | sounds like a great "solution" | 13:57 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: please, don't | 13:58 |
| jukey | Once upon a time when I used my N800 for the first time I had to reflash it nearly every week because there where tons of repositorys more or less working | 13:58 |
| jukey | that was not really better | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | and I'm sure Khertan remembers that time | 13:59 |
| jukey | :) | 13:59 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie: oh oh ... i ll | 14:03 |
| Khertan | or i didn't publish anything more for maemo ... | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | you're not stupid enough to take such a decision | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | even though you're french and everything | 14:04 |
| Khertan | it s seems that | 14:05 |
| Khertan | i m doing things by hobby | 14:05 |
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| Khertan | at this time ... it s no more a hobby ... pass more time to package repackage due to change rule | 14:05 |
| Khertan | post bug ... wait | 14:05 |
| Khertan | repost package | 14:06 |
| Khertan | than to dev | 14:06 |
| Khertan | keep things for me only | 14:06 |
| Khertan | or take the decision to found an easier way to publish them | 14:06 |
| Khertan | make my own repository is the better | 14:06 |
| rmrfchik | at last, i've grabbed new n900 | 14:07 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: you're one of our most active developers | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: we'd be idiots not to listen to you in terms of procedure | 14:08 |
| cehteh | Khertan: how about my suggestion .. just release source (maybe your own git or svn) and let someone else do the packaging | 14:09 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: cehteh has a point | 14:13 |
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| pupnik | would a meta-repo installer be possible? or too inherently buggy and full of conflicts? | 14:16 |
| zash | pupnik: explain | 14:17 |
| pupnik | seeing as a number of folks just give up and create their own repos | 14:17 |
| pupnik | wildcat repos :) | 14:18 |
| pupnik | i have seen at least 3 for n900 | 14:18 |
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| pupnik | maybe a gronmayer indexer is the best way to help ppl find stuff | 14:19 |
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| cehteh | or just make another rsync, completely untrusted repo where anyone can put stuff without any rules (and give a big warning to users) | 14:22 |
| Hoxzer | joo | 14:22 |
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| cehteh | no rules, nothing .. just anarchy .. may the strongest survive or so :P | 14:23 |
| tybollt | that's a nice product plan!! | 14:23 |
| tybollt | let the most knowledgable hacker win! | 14:23 |
| tybollt | ugh... | 14:23 |
| cehteh | hehe | 14:23 |
| cehteh | well i am a bit serious, you can either have maemo org somewhar regulated plans and rules to get something officially in | 14:24 |
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| cehteh | or you do something on your own .. but then everyone having his own 3 package repository everywhere on the web wont scale | 14:25 |
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| cehteh | just make this a real community thing, simple round-robin dns and anyone who wants can contribute with server space | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin cehteh | 14:32 |
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| cehteh | heh .. ausgeschlafen or what? | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | since 9h | 14:33 |
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| tybollt | mmmh schlafen ja | 14:36 |
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| tybollt | morgen morgen nur nicht HEUTE... etc ;) | 14:36 |
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| Venomrush | any ideas of ETA of PR1.2? | 14:42 |
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| crashanddie | Venomrush: three moons after the lord has risen | 14:42 |
| FIQ | shouldn't it came lastt feb? | 14:42 |
| FIQ | -t | 14:43 |
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| FIQ | though someone said iy | 14:43 |
| FIQ | it* | 14:43 |
| Flyser | three moons? damn ... I hope he rises soon | 14:43 |
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| cehteh | nokia makes no announcments .. anything are unqualified rumors | 14:43 |
| FIQ | ok | 14:43 |
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| FIQ | ".nokia.com" | 14:44 |
| fzfq3m | hi | 14:44 |
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| FIQ | hi anyway | 14:44 |
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| crashanddie | FIQ: link or it didn't happen | 14:45 |
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| FIQ | i don't wna | 14:46 |
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| FIQ | want to dig in planet maemo atm. :) | 14:46 |
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| fzfq3m | hi, I know this is irrelevant: But, Is it possible to add more emoticons(Smileys) to N900 conversations?? | 14:46 |
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| * n00bmonkey waves | 14:46 | |
| FIQ | hm, was it a netsplit before? | 14:46 |
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| n00bmonkey | oo anothe netsplit? :D | 14:47 |
| FIQ | antinetsplit ftw | 14:48 |
| n00bmonkey | lol | 14:48 |
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| hrw | hi | 14:49 |
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| n00bmonkey | hey hrw | 14:49 |
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| n00bmonkey | oh he lef tlol | 14:49 |
| hrw | sorry for joinflood | 14:49 |
| n00bmonkey | and back lols | 14:50 |
| n00bmonkey | :D | 14:50 |
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| n00bmonkey | w000p another split | 14:50 |
| FIQ | there was "some" before you too | 14:50 |
| n00bmonkey | :D | 14:50 |
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| n00bmonkey | surfing the splits today :D | 14:51 |
| hrw | Venomrush: speaking of bug #9413 - orientation of avatar pictures or on disk pictures is stored wrong? as you confirmed bug and changed title... | 14:52 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9413 Photo orientation not saved once assigned as an avatar for a contact | 14:52 |
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| Venomrush | disk pictures | 14:54 |
| Venomrush | if you follow the steps, you'll be able to reproduce | 14:54 |
| Venomrush | using photos taken with N900 camera | 14:54 |
| hrw | Venomrush: I reported bug | 14:54 |
| hrw | Venomrush: and I used non-n900 photos | 14:54 |
| Venomrush | right I used N900's photos | 14:54 |
| Venomrush | *photos taken with N900 | 14:55 |
| n00bmonkey | hmmm the http://mxr.maemo.org/ link in the irc room title doesnt go anywhere? or just me | 14:55 |
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| n00bmonkey | ignore me :) | 14:55 |
| n00bmonkey | had a space at the end | 14:55 |
| FIQ | you can ask isitjustme too | 14:56 |
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| tybollt | FIQ: the men in white coats in the mental asylum tells me "IT IS JUST YOU!" every day :( | 14:56 |
| n00bmonkey | awwwwwwwww | 14:57 |
| n00bmonkey | i work in mental health lol | 14:57 |
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| FIQ | lol | 14:57 |
| tybollt | I had a girlfriend who did that | 14:57 |
| n00bmonkey | and the men in white cots are not the people to fear..... it's the ki8tchen staff..... | 14:57 |
| n00bmonkey | coats* | 14:57 |
| tybollt | "Shut up or I'll inject risperdal into you!" | 14:57 |
| tybollt | she used to say :) | 14:57 |
| n00bmonkey | ;) | 14:57 |
| * lcuk glances at Venomrush | 14:57 | |
| tybollt | n00bmonkey: you know risperdal? | 14:57 |
| n00bmonkey | shut up or i'll inject mass produced rice pudding into you... not wure which i fear most ;) | 14:57 |
| tybollt | :D | 14:58 |
| * n00bmonkey glances at lcuk glancing at venomrush... lol | 14:58 | |
| tybollt | n00bmonkey: rice pudding? Isat what they call uh... "tapioca"? | 14:58 |
| n00bmonkey | lol - erm could be :) | 14:58 |
| * lcuk pours a cup of water over n00bmonkey without taking his eyes off Venomrush :p | 14:58 | |
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| n00bmonkey | wikipedia says no :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapioca | 14:58 |
| n00bmonkey | tadaaaaaaa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_pudding | 14:59 |
| n00bmonkey | damn that lcuk is talented | 14:59 |
| n00bmonkey | its an anti-psychotic drug isn't it? much like rice pudding | 14:59 |
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| tybollt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risperdal n00b | 15:01 |
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| n00bmonkey | i was right :) | 15:01 |
| tybollt | I was actually surprised to learn from her that the most of their patients had checked themselves in | 15:03 |
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| aep | is it possible to prevent a specific number from calling? | 15:10 |
| aep | someone apparantly has no clue what "this is the wrong number, even the wrong country" means. | 15:10 |
| Shrik3 | swear louder =) | 15:10 |
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| lcuk | Venomrush, ping | 15:13 |
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| mtd | anyone know if there's a pocketsphinx deb for the n900/fremantle? All I could find on google was lardman's reference to some 770 binaries. | 15:18 |
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| lcuk | andre__, ping | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | hrw: ping | 15:26 |
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| andre__ | lcuk, png | 15:27 |
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| hrw | Jaffa: pong | 15:28 |
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| Jaffa | hrw: 0.7.6 of Catorise in -devel should fix your "uninitialized variable" issue. | 15:29 |
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| hrw | cool, thx | 15:29 |
| pupnik | ty | 15:31 |
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| mtd | Flandry_: did you make a pocketsphinx .deb for http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=541355&postcount=15 ? | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aep: "to WHOM? Peter?? Peter is totally mad on you, and asked me to tell you he'll bet you up all the way down main road next time he meets you" ;-D | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | beat even | 15:37 |
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| aep | Peter doesnt sound like a viatnamese name | 15:37 |
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| pupnik | catorise is wonderful | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: can it customize your menus? or is it also fixed sorting related to HAM categories? | 15:39 |
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| Jaffa | pupnik: Thanks | 15:40 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: categories. works for me | 15:41 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: You mean can *you* customise your menu further than the assignment based on fd.o categories and package section? Yes, edit /opt/catorise/menu and run /opt/catorise/catorise as root. Creating new categories would be more involved and would involve source changes and additional .directory files in /opt/catorise/share/ | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the categories in repos are somewhat braindamaged | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: thanks :-) | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | Well, the solution to that is to try and get the categories in the repos fixed; either an app is miscategorised or the categories themselves need changing. Given a user finds them through HAM or maemo.org/downloads through those categories there's benefit in getting them right | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | calculator is "office", HP42 is "learning&knowledge" - for an example | 15:43 |
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| infobot | kirkburn | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~all well? | 15:44 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: So file bugs against those packages. If you mean the built-in calculator, file a bug against Catorise's allocation of the built-in apps. | 15:44 |
| Clear | what is this | 15:44 |
| Clear | what is this place | 15:44 |
| Clear | what is this place | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick Clear | 15:45 |
| Clear | neat | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, no spambot? | 15:45 |
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| * cehteh considers to remove catorize again too .. no much win | 15:46 | |
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| pupnik | argh mypaint is a cpu hawg... :( | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: It's hard to tell if builtin calculator should go to learning, or HP42 should belong to office rather | 15:47 |
| cehteh | tried 'mymenu' which was equally unhelpful | 15:47 |
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| cehteh | i just put the apps i regulary use on the desktop .. done | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: mymenu here as well, as I thought it'd better with that | 15:47 |
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| cehteh | yeah, i cant really tell which one is better, both are in some way akward | 15:48 |
| cehteh | catorize has at least a 'all apps' button where you find the stuff for sure | 15:49 |
| cehteh | and i often end up using that | 15:49 |
| cehteh | so i can deinstall it instead | 15:49 |
| rmrfchik | can't identify a connector inside box, it's small wire with miniusb on one side and small box on other.. | 15:49 |
| rmrfchik | wtf? | 15:49 |
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| cehteh | charger adapter | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | with no manual or specs anywhere :-/ | 15:51 |
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| RST38h | <yawn> | 15:51 |
| cehteh | you can plug certain older nokia chargers into it, the adapter aligns the electrons and give them good karma for the n900 | 15:51 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: there is a 'charging spec' you know .. its horrible | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | rmrfchik: microusb | 15:51 |
| satmd | :D | 15:51 |
| rmrfchik | ah, good. | 15:52 |
| rmrfchik | and I have usb-host <-> microusb wire.. | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd be more interested in the allowable voltage range on this adapter's input | 15:52 |
| rmrfchik | but no usb connector to PC | 15:53 |
| rmrfchik | ahh.. my fault | 15:53 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: should be anything which is speced by nokia for 2.5mm chargers? | 15:53 |
| rmrfchik | it's connector to usb ;) | 15:53 |
| cehteh | i dont know really .. but this charging spec is overly complicated | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: that's what you'd guess | 15:53 |
| cehteh | i decided that its easier to build your own charging addapter than using this thing | 15:54 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: i guess anything is complicated when you have the IQ of an oyster | 15:54 |
| cehteh | usb charging is quite open and simple specified .. | 15:54 |
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| cehteh | crashanddie: did you read the nokia specs? | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | cehteh: why on earth would I do that? | 15:55 |
| rmrfchik | is there way to use usbnet? I just plugged n900 to my linux box, but can't see settings for usbnet in network manager | 15:55 |
| cehteh | rmrfchik: with some tricks yes .. search the wiki for usb PAN | 15:55 |
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| * cehteh didnt got it working either yet :P | 15:56 | |
| rmrfchik | doh... old good n810 has this. or it also was a hack? long days | 15:57 |
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| crashanddie | rmrfchik: everything on n810 was a hack | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why it worked so flawlessly :-P | 15:58 |
| rmrfchik | No pages were found containing "usb" | 15:58 |
| rmrfchik | crashanddie: :) | 15:58 |
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| rmrfchik | ttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 16:00 |
| rmrfchik | Enable RD Mode? | 16:01 |
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| tybollt | rmrfchik: where on that page does it say that? | 16:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | you shouldn't need to enable rd mode | 16:05 |
| timeless_mbp | in fact, you should never enable rd mode | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | it makes the keyboard flash :D | 16:06 |
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| rmrfchik | tybollt: on search results | 16:07 |
| pupnik | wheres ali1234 | 16:07 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: I want to gainroot to ifup usb0 | 16:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: AFAIK you need no r&d mode for that | 16:07 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: then install the rootfs package | 16:07 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: then you can gainroot w/out enabling RD mode | 16:08 |
| rmrfchik | to install I need access network | 16:08 |
| rmrfchik | to access network, i need install | 16:08 |
| rmrfchik | catch 22 | 16:08 |
| tybollt | way catch22 :) | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | I guess yours isn't "online as it happens" :) | 16:09 |
| tybollt | although | 16:09 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: you can put the .deb on your memory card and install it locally | 16:09 |
| rmrfchik | i think I can | 16:10 |
| rmrfchik | good idea | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, well you need root to dpkg -i ;-) | 16:10 |
| tybollt | ShadowJK: red pill mode? | 16:10 |
| rmrfchik | app manager should have abitily | 16:10 |
| rmrfchik | no? | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | tybollt, if he has ancient firmware, yeah | 16:10 |
| tybollt | yeah | 16:10 |
| tybollt | I suppose that's the assumption =) | 16:11 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: The examples we (i.e. the community) came up with for the sections suggests calculators should all be in "Utilities" - http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections - but my "Utilities" category is already getting quick large | 16:11 |
| rmrfchik | 2.2009.51-1 here | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | hm :-) | 16:11 |
| tybollt | anyway I have to admit I found that "you have to enable RD mode to break your device" pretty rude :) | 16:12 |
| tybollt | Then again, rude is probably how the general Swede would describe a general finn ;-P | 16:13 |
| Rabidus | :O | 16:13 |
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| ShadowJK | if you have an internet connection you can start breaking it right away :-) | 16:14 |
| rmrfchik | app manager can't install :( | 16:14 |
| * RST38h suggests sending submiliminal messages to N900 users | 16:16 | |
| RST38h | [in large red LEDs] ...BREAK YOUR DEVICE...BREAK YOUR DEVICE... | 16:16 |
| tybollt | 7msg RST38h My credit card number is: | 16:17 |
| RST38h | yessss, my precioussss | 16:17 |
| RST38h | ? | 16:17 |
| tybollt | oh not THAT kidn of subliminal messages? :) | 16:17 |
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| rmrfchik | can I set personal ring to account? | 16:17 |
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| libben | Im about to transfer 10 gb of mp3s to my n900. now i dont see any music folder when i hook it with the cable. Any pointers? | 16:18 |
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| crashanddie | libben: 0xe39819a19283 | 16:19 |
| pillar_ | crashanddie: :D | 16:19 |
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| 92AAABJ08 | libben: it searches the entire drive for media files, so it doesn't make much difference where you put them | 16:19 |
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| libben | so i just place it in a new folder and it will scan it ? | 16:19 |
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| tybollt | libben: right | 16:20 |
| libben | or do i need to hack any cfg and adding that folder? | 16:20 |
| tybollt | no | 16:20 |
| libben | ok | 16:20 |
| libben | good then | 16:20 |
| tybollt | just put the shitz in a folder | 16:20 |
| tybollt | device is scanned | 16:20 |
| tybollt | -> WIN | 16:20 |
| tybollt | libben will go \o/ all night | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | libben: have you tried *creating* the folder? | 16:20 |
| rmrfchik | o_O seems like Extras repo doesn't work. | 16:20 |
| rmrfchik | /dists/fremantle/free was not found on this server. | 16:21 |
| libben | crashanddie: nope, i was stunned over that i couldent see any music folder, cause i remember the phone came with sample musics | 16:21 |
| rmrfchik | again my fault.. fixing ;) | 16:21 |
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| rmrfchik | is it safe to upgrade with "apt-get upgrade"? | 16:38 |
| RST38h | God no... | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Not N900 anyway | 16:39 |
| thresh | was for me | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | to upgrade the system no, apps s | 16:39 |
| thresh | worked for me | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, apt-get dist-upgrade kills it | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get upgrade works | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | to upgrade the system no, apps yes* | 16:40 |
| rmrfchik | ok.. will wait till I get to home with WiFi | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | i like how i got hacked through freenode | 16:41 |
| thresh | why? | 16:41 |
| * thresh has successfully upgraded via usb cable | 16:41 | |
| MohammadAG | went to my PC and found it downloading a .bat file | 16:41 |
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| Khertan | Someone can confirm me that : | 16:42 |
| Khertan | Catalog name : Khertan Repository | 16:42 |
| Khertan | Web address : http://khertan.net/repository/ | 16:42 |
| Khertan | Distribution : | 16:42 |
| Khertan | Components : user | 16:42 |
| Khertan | is working ? | 16:42 |
| Khertan | thx | 16:42 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: still scary =) | 16:42 |
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| rmrfchik | thresh: upgrade or dist-upgrade? | 16:43 |
| thresh | d-u | 16:43 |
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| n00bmonkey | Khertan: testing now | 16:44 |
| n00bmonkey | checking for el-updato's | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | damn i'm so fucking bored | 16:46 |
| n00bmonkey | Khertan: No errors :) | 16:46 |
| pupnik | you guys want to ask http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ to add a section for n900 repos? | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: PackRat! | 16:46 |
| RST38h | =) | 16:46 |
| pupnik | would help people find stuff | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, working here too | 16:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ (if it sitll works) | 16:47 |
| n00bmonkey | Khertan: Yup, can see pypackager etc in your repo | 16:47 |
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| pupnik | oh cool! ty RST38h | 16:47 |
| RST38h | pupnik: And notice that it also works in MicroB. Perfectly. | 16:48 |
| pupnik | RST38h: is there a syntax to search substrings? | 16:49 |
| RST38h | pupnik: naaah, just enter a possibly partial name of a package | 16:49 |
| Khertan | n00bmonkey: thx | 16:49 |
| RST38h | it searches descriptions too | 16:49 |
| pupnik | e.g. "*kobo*" | 16:49 |
| RST38h | pupnik: type "kobo" | 16:49 |
| RST38h | it will figure | 16:49 |
| Milo- | anyone here know if you can mock a call from some phone number to your phone number? | 16:49 |
| n00bmonkey | no probs :) - can test a download if needed, but dont wanna screw up my py2deb lol - oh btw, need your help on that 1 lol | 16:49 |
| pupnik | hmm kobodeluxe and kobo returned nada | 16:49 |
| n00bmonkey | Milo-: fake call? | 16:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Looks like rm_you has not fixed the updates | 16:50 |
| Milo- | n00bmonkey yes | 16:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Either email him and ask to fix, or ask him for the source code and maintain the trakcer yourself | 16:50 |
| n00bmonkey | Milo-: no idea, but interesting idea :) | 16:50 |
| Milo- | to test certain system | 16:50 |
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| n00bmonkey | i'm assuming it should be possible though? | 16:50 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I would maintain it but I have no proper host to install it on | 16:50 |
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| Khertan | qole have this own repository too ? | 16:50 |
| Milo- | n00bmonkey for example call forwarding system written in test driven development mannerä | 16:50 |
| Milo- | manner. | 16:50 |
| n00bmonkey | Khertan: That script you gave me yesterday, not run it yet as i need to add my files and remove yours - changed the rest n got it rady to go :) | 16:51 |
| n00bmonkey | will try tonight :D | 16:51 |
| Khertan | n00bmonkey: maybe i give you the wrong script | 16:51 |
| n00bmonkey | lol - on my work pc at the moment, it looked like my normal build file, but was filled out for your pyGTKeditor | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Arctic Ocean seabed is leaking methane | 16:52 |
| n00bmonkey | so assumed i just needed to change it all to match mine | 16:52 |
| cehteh | RST38h: do you have the maemo xchat in git somewhere? .. or maybe svn? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | Oh yes, I love those loopback natural conditions =) | 16:52 |
| RST38h | cehteh: No, but you can get sources from the Extras | 16:52 |
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| cehteh | its just shrimps farting :) | 16:52 |
| Khertan | n00bmonkey: ok i ve paste in pastebin my script instead of your modified script | 16:52 |
| cehteh | RST38h: yes i did already .. but i would be more comfortable with a git | 16:53 |
| Khertan | n00bmonkey: can you send me again your script ? | 16:53 |
| cehteh | RST38h: going to add the customizeable titles sometime next, in this case it will stay default and one has to configure it when he wants to change anything | 16:53 |
| n00bmonkey | ahhh can do but will have to later... it's on my home lappy still open... n900 access at work is hard lol! | 16:54 |
| cehteh | considering it push that upstream too then | 16:54 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Why? There are very few people working on it (well, myself and nobody else at the moment, although qwerty and mgedmin have prveiously done their parts) | 16:54 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Ok | 16:54 |
| rmrfchik | so, what about dedicated contact ring? | 16:54 |
| RST38h | cehteh: While you are at it, see if you can make the main view finger-scrollable | 16:54 |
| cehteh | RST38h: even for my single person stuff i feel better with git | 16:54 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Make changes, send me the patch | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | caveman ;) | 16:55 |
| cehteh | RST38h: certainly not .. i aim for low hanging fruit and i am not gui programmer | 16:55 |
| mgedmin | git would be nice, I suppose | 16:55 |
| RST38h | Gross overkill unless a lot of people would like to work on it | 16:55 |
| cehteh | i would like some hildonizing too .. but it would take me ages to do that, too much to read and learn | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, if the main view had kinetic scrolling how would one c&p? | 16:55 |
| cehteh | git is absolutely no overkill .. | 16:56 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: right | 16:56 |
| cehteh | i opt for channel and user list finger scrollable | 16:56 |
| Khertan | n00bmonkey: send me an email at khertan@khertan/net :) | 16:56 |
| RST38h | user list is kinda useless on N900 | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | MohammadAG, I like how xterm does that: toolbar button to toggle scrolling versus text selection | 16:57 |
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| RST38h | channel list I have move to the bottom, no reason to scroll it there | 16:57 |
| mgedmin | user list could be a popup with a scrollable hildon thingy | 16:57 |
| RST38h | the original use for the user lis was to see who is on the channel | 16:57 |
| cehteh | RST38h: when i work on anything which is even slightly more complicated than changing a few lines or has a even dim chance of me revisiting it someday later i usually git it first | 16:57 |
| * mgedmin wishes somebody sat down and redesigned a Linux IRC client from scratch, because xchat is kinda ... eh | 16:57 | |
| RST38h | so, popup is illogical there :) | 16:57 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I do not | 16:58 |
| * RST38h is old fashioned | 16:58 | |
| cehteh | mgedmin: yeah .. well .. irssi was started with that motivation | 16:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: and what have we ended up with? another eleet irc client | 16:58 |
| mgedmin | redesign for the 21st century, not the 19th! | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | xchat isn't old | 16:58 |
| RST38h | cehteh: full of pointless cruft | 16:58 |
| cehteh | well .. if (no i dont do) would start an irc client it would be quite different | 16:59 |
| RST38h | cehteh: (yes, I am still using ircii) | 16:59 |
| n00bmonkey | Khertan: Thank you very much will email you tonight - will pastebin your file and my file so you can see both :D | 16:59 |
| cehteh | pulling all stuff in and then dispatch it on more flexible rules instead just channels | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, is the inability to paste more than one line going to be fixed? | 16:59 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: i hope not :) | 16:59 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Dunno, but judging from the way xchat works, no | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's my only problem with xchat atm (other than the notification banner but i killed it) | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Notification banner I will kill next time, sorry | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, and why's that | 17:00 |
| cehteh | heh i can coppy and paste multiple lines on my laptop in xchat | 17:00 |
| RST38h | Discussed it with cehteh who persuaded me "it would be ok", but he was obviously wrong on this one :) | 17:00 |
| cehteh | but well .. that leads to noobs flooding channels | 17:00 |
| cehteh | so better dont fix it, its a feature :) | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, a small pop down notification would've been better | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | like the bt set on one | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: All I can do is disable it | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | lol cehteh | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | so you're not the one who made the plugin? | 17:01 |
| cehteh | RST38h: you just need to explain people how to configure it .. there is a .xchat2/maemo_notify.conf | 17:01 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: cehteh did | 17:01 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: yes i did .. in a simple pragmatic way | 17:01 |
| pupnik | is there some way autobuilder could debianize a package with a simple makefile? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I am not goin' to explain to every freaking tmo poster how to configure your plugin :) | 17:02 |
| cehteh | anyone who doesnt like the way it works can just use the source and extend it :) | 17:02 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Better disable this particular mode by default and let 'em figure it out :) | 17:02 |
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| koupsa | waouw | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, you could add a line after it loads that there's a .donf file | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | conf* | 17:02 |
| cehteh | RST38h: well yes .. i put some defines for defaults at the front ok? .. or do you change it in the source | 17:02 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Of course I will change the defines | 17:02 |
| * RST38h is a gentleman | 17:03 | |
| cehteh | RST38h: actually i can do that already for you ... :) | 17:03 |
| RST38h | cehteh: I would prefer if you changed the notification dialogs to use messgaing-style bubbles instead | 17:03 |
| RST38h | cehteh: then disabling them would be unnecessary | 17:03 |
| cehteh | RST38h: the first version was more meant as proof of concept and i intentionally left it a bit nagging to stirr interest | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, don't seem to have the conf file in .xchat2 | 17:04 |
| cehteh | RST38h: yeah but i dont know how and i am to lazy for it .. but anyone who likes can add that with a 'n' mode for notifications | 17:04 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: you can create it | 17:04 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Ok, ok I will google for them and you add them | 17:04 |
| cehteh | NOTIFY_MODE +lbv-d | 17:05 |
| cehteh | led, banners, vibration on, dialogs off | 17:05 |
| cehteh | DIALOG_THROTTLE 2 1800 | 17:05 |
| cehteh | allow 2 dialogs in half an hours | 17:05 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Please, change them to notifications. That's all | 17:06 |
| sar3th | how do i run something as root in scratchbox? | 17:06 |
| cehteh | RST38h: i dont know how and i am too lazy .. and also i like it this way | 17:06 |
| cehteh | but i would like if someone else extends it using notifications | 17:07 |
| cehteh | sar3th: fakeroot is recommended | 17:07 |
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| RST38h | then disabled it gets, by default of course | 17:07 |
| sar3th | cehteh: so i just need to run fakeroot make install? | 17:07 |
| cehteh | RST38h: thats acceptable | 17:08 |
| cehteh | sar3th: dunno, just trya | 17:08 |
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| * MohammadAG takes a look at the .c file and tries to change the notification type to a org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint one | 17:10 | |
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| RST38h | Weird, looks like the notification bubble API is not open | 17:10 |
| RST38h | Have to ask konttori about it | 17:10 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: What is really needed is the same type of bubble Messaging uses (little, jumps up, then goes away without requiring acknowledgment) | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, i have that | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | it's already in xchat | 17:13 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Where? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | enable tray balloon | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | in preferences | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Ah! | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | pops up, shows the message, goes away | 17:14 |
| * RST38h finds something new every day =) | 17:14 | |
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| MohammadAG | it's why i disabled this plugin | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG | i get two notifications | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | vibration gets handled by the 'audio playing' program | 17:15 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Ok, cool, got it. The icon is broken though, will fix it for the next release | 17:16 |
| pupnik | check out the crazy amount of controls in n900 alsamixer | 17:16 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: I will fix the icon, enable it by default, and disable dialog notifications in the next release | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | wonderful :) | 17:17 |
| djcaston | does anyone know whats up with meego on the n900? | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | djcaston, it's entirely possible if nokia want to allow it | 17:18 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: http://lumiera.org/maemo_notify.c | 17:19 |
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| Veggen | ...and probably it'll be simple enough to do that there will at least be a community version. | 17:19 |
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| djcaston | i was reading something a few days ago and i think it said that they would be testing it soon on the n900 | 17:19 |
| cehteh | RST38h: when is the release due? .. i dont know how fast i do the title stuff, but i would like to get that in | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | oh they're enabling the meego repo | 17:19 |
| Corsac | good catch | 17:20 |
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| djcaston | so the progs are gonna be availible but not the os | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, do you do schedueled releases? | 17:20 |
| Corsac | thought it's empty | 17:20 |
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| * n00bmonkey has alot of numpties calling him up today.... | 17:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ping | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you found the GAIA register descriptionn somewhere? the TI ds seems missing that unimportant detail | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 17:30 |
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| * pupnik got one more customer for n900 | 17:32 | |
| * mgedmin900 too | 17:32 | |
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| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:35 |
| RST38h | test | 17:36 |
| cehteh | :P | 17:36 |
| RST38h | RST38bis: test | 17:36 |
| cehteh | works? | 17:36 |
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| RST38h | seems to | 17:36 |
| cehteh | hehe .. i didnt tested it :P | 17:36 |
| * n00bmonkey blinks | 17:36 | |
| cehteh | (except compile test ...) | 17:37 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Oh I am testing the default functionality | 17:38 |
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| cehteh | ah hehe :) .. well | 17:38 |
| RST38h | cehteh: It does look like our dialog notifications are not really needed, but the default stuff still requires some fixing | 17:38 |
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| * RST38h sets balloon alerts on by default | 17:38 | |
| cehteh | btw the private notification is kindof noisy .. dunno if you want to turn it off too | 17:38 |
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| cehteh | where are the balloon alerts from? | 17:39 |
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| * mgedmin900 demands finger scroll | 17:39 | |
| * n00bmonkey scrolls down mgedmin900's finger..... | 17:39 | |
| mgedmin900 | btw, was xchat finally promoted to extras | 17:40 |
| mgedmin900 | ? | 17:40 |
| RST38h | yes | 17:40 |
| * mgedmin900 got an email saying promotion unlocked | 17:40 | |
| mgedmin900 | yay | 17:40 |
| RST38h | and please shoot that guy who thumbs down everything without a "proper" bug reporting URL | 17:40 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I promoted it just now | 17:41 |
| * n00bmonkey pats RST38h on the back | 17:41 | |
| n00bmonkey | i agree | 17:41 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: If you feel like wasting an hour or two, check why enabling spellcheck crashes xchat config dialog | 17:41 |
| cehteh | haha .. this QA is really no fun | 17:41 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: (i.e. you enable it at compile time, xchat works afterwards, but OKing config dialog crashes it) | 17:41 |
| * mgedmin900 will try to fit this in some time in the next 5 years :( | 17:42 | |
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| n00bmonkey | RST38h: see here for more thumbs downing :( - http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/healthcheck/0.5.2-3/ | 17:42 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Well, it is not going to be a project of your lifetime, more like tracing a few functions, possibly with gdb | 17:42 |
| n00bmonkey | and quite a rude tester :( - ok, i want the politest either... lol but was rather miffed | 17:42 |
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| Guest80146 | hi, everyone. how to make a binary file executable in maemo? | 17:42 |
| Guest80146 | seems like chmod+ ..? | 17:43 |
| koala_man | chmod +x file | 17:43 |
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| Shapeshifter | not that I care that much, but are they possibly going to make skxpe support the front cam anytime in the soonish? or more like never | 17:43 |
| Guest80146 | yeah | 17:43 |
| cehteh | MyDocs is noexec iirc | 17:43 |
| RST38h | n00b: Your .deb has a Maintainer field, your changes file has your email address. So, this whole XSBC-Maemo-shit thing is kinda nice-tohave but pointless | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | Guest80146: move it to a ext3 partition, the fat32 partition is mounted as noexec | 17:43 |
| n00bmonkey | RST38h: twas a bug with py2deb - khertan is helping me fix it :( | 17:43 |
| n00bmonkey | but i'd made the effot to post a link in the package details :( | 17:44 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I even found where it crashes: as you OK settings, it tries attaching speel checker to the input widget - and dies | 17:44 |
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| crashanddie | I want BoWs to die | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | every single one of them | 17:49 |
| Guest80146 | alright, and anybody knows how to install opencv libary and header files to n900? | 17:50 |
| n00bmonkey | BoW's? | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | Bachelor of Wikipedia | 17:50 |
| Khertan | BoWs ? | 17:50 |
| crashanddie | people who read two webpages and become experst | 17:50 |
| Khertan | ah arf ... | 17:50 |
| n00bmonkey | noidea what you are on about... but kill one for me........ | 17:50 |
| n00bmonkey | ahhhhhh gotcha | 17:50 |
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| crashanddie | s/rst/rts/ | 17:50 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: people who read two webpages and become experts | 17:50 |
| n00bmonkey | bit like googlnicians? | 17:50 |
| n00bmonkey | ;) | 17:50 |
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| Khertan | wiki the things where i never help ... Just because the syntax is painfull ! | 17:51 |
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| crashanddie | People saying "Non-profits almost always make a profit" makes me cry | 17:51 |
| Khertan | crashanddie: why ? | 17:51 |
| * n00bmonkey works for the NHS, don't start me on non profit lol | 17:51 | |
| Khertan | profit can be something else than money | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | No, non-profits have a revenue, and have a taxation aim that makes them strive towards having a revenue which is roughly the same as the operating costs | 17:52 |
| Khertan | experiences for example | 17:52 |
| Khertan | ok didn't understand :) | 17:52 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: profits == profits, revenue == chiffre d'affaire | 17:53 |
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| n00bmonkey | lol | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | euh, profits == benefice | 17:53 |
| n00bmonkey | brb smoke break | 17:53 |
| Khertan | yep | 17:53 |
| Khertan | but this was the previous "means" of your previous sentence that i didn't understand well | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | sense | 17:54 |
| Khertan | no i can clearly understand what it s make you furious | 17:54 |
| Khertan | s/no/now | 17:54 |
| Khertan | yep ... sense the word i was looking for | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: still giving interviews about maemo? | 17:55 |
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| uhsf | it's interesting to read that meego will officially support the n900 so we can upgrade when it's ready | 17:59 |
| RST38h | RST38x: hello sweetie | 17:59 |
| mgedmin900 | waaaah no finger scroll in xchat | 17:59 |
| mgedmin900 | and no kinetic scroll in pdf viewer | 17:59 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I am afraid this will take a bit longer to add than tracing that spellcheck crash :) | 17:59 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: XChat uses custom GTK+ widget for the main view, good luck with that ;) | 18:00 |
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| uhsf | is there a petition somewhere to make pressure on nokia to make them change the name meego to keep maemo instead or something else? let's start a petition | 18:00 |
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| Corsac | uhsf: source for the n900/meego support?? | 18:01 |
| Corsac | uhsf: petition would be useless | 18:01 |
| mgedmin900 | doesn't it use a GtkScrollWindow or whatever it's called? | 18:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Not sure, check | 18:01 |
| uhsf | Corsac: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/meego-repository-going-public-later-this-month-coming-to-nokia/ | 18:01 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: But again, be aware that you may end up sinking lots of time | 18:01 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Btw, you asked about something along the lines of Bujold? | 18:02 |
| uhsf | Corsac: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one | 18:02 |
| Corsac | thanjs | 18:02 |
| Corsac | s/j/k/ | 18:02 |
| infobot | Corsac meant: thanks | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: seems we seen same type of crash on pref save some 3 months ago? | 18:03 |
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| mgedmin900 | wat did just happen? | 18:03 |
| mgedmin900 | I pressed ctrl-i in xchat | 18:03 |
| mgedmin900 | expecting tab completion | 18:04 |
| mgedmin900 | got a new window instead | 18:04 |
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| mgedmin900 | RST38h, I have a couple of tech books to read and review now | 18:04 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Shift+Space or Ctrl+Space | 18:05 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: will autocomplete | 18:05 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: ok, you are not getting that book ref then :) | 18:05 |
| mgedmin900 | ooh | 18:05 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Correct. Faheem compiled XChat with spellcheck enabled. It crashed. | 18:05 |
| mgedmin900 | I must have an old version | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | DocScrut: When I started looking into the issue, I found that spellcheck was the cause and disabled it. Did not have enough time to investigate deeper. But you can always do so yourself at the cost of about 2 hours of time. Once you fix it, send me the patch, etc | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah regression then | 18:06 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Of course, it will be properly attributed in changes | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | DocScrut: It *is* possible that Maemo5 Gtk+ input widget is the problem. | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Does not let attach callbacks, the way spellchecker would like to attach | 18:07 |
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| mgedmin900 | any maemo5 apps have spell checking? | 18:09 |
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| RST38h | no idea, why? | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin900 | just thinking about that bug | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: Oh, it is a very specific bug, I do not think other apps apply here | 18:13 |
| RST38h | Lemme find the call that crashes... | 18:13 |
| RST38h | actually it may be possible to enable ispeel (I disabled libsexy guilty of the above crash) | 18:14 |
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| mtd | is there a way to change the behaviour/parameters of the kinetic scrolling? E.g., in Photos with ~700 photos the kinetic scrolling takes way too long to stop scrolling. | 18:14 |
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| RST38h | #ifdef USE_LIBSEXY | 18:14 |
| RST38h | sexy_spell_entry_set_checked ((SexySpellEntry *)gui->input_box, | 18:14 |
| RST38h | prefs.gui_input_spell); | 18:14 |
| RST38h | #endif | 18:14 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: here you have it | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | is maemo extras down? | 18:17 |
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| * n00bmonkey thinks it is working | 18:20 | |
| * n00bmonkey tries again, yup..... :| | 18:21 | |
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| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: please add "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument." | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | to the topic | 18:22 |
| n00bmonkey | lol | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: seem to remember I seen spellcheck/autocompletion working when xchat had the savepref-crash | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I'm almost sure | 18:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | though I disabled it systemwide after a few days of useless annoyance | 18:25 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Well there are two choices, ispeel and libsexy | 18:25 |
| RST38h | DocScrut: Ah, I know what you mean | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | DocScrut: it is not spellcheck, it is autocompletion, and it is done at the HIM level. Very annoying too | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ahh ok, my error | 18:26 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 pulled out the stylus first time for maybe a month. cold fingers :-/ | 18:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | xchat scrollarrows are really a PITA | 18:27 |
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| cehteh | haha | 18:28 |
| cehteh | forget it .. just doesnt work (okish) | 18:28 |
| cehteh | the zoom buttons scroll throgh channels .. unfortunally it doesnt scroll the list with it | 18:29 |
| mgedmin900 | cool | 18:30 |
| * mgedmin900 didn't know | 18:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems someone mapped shift-volrocker to scrolling. even more fingerbreaking fun | 18:30 |
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| cehteh | eeh | 18:30 |
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| cehteh | trying | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | cehteh: Scrolling main view with zoom buttons should be easy to do | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | Anyone else wants me to do this? | 18:31 |
| mgedmin900 | you made my xchat crash! | 18:31 |
| cehteh | RST38h: we talking about channel switcher | 18:31 |
| mgedmin900 | sig11 from bashing shift-vol keys | 18:31 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Yes, but switching channels is easy with your fingers, just touch a tab at the bottom | 18:31 |
| cehteh | mgedmin: mine too | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | So, those zoom buttons can be well assigned to the main view scroll | 18:32 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: i have way more channels open than fit on the screen | 18:32 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: could you do me a bit of favor? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Open two xchats :) | 18:32 |
| mgedmin900 | not right now, sorry | 18:32 |
| cehteh | pff | 18:32 |
| mgedmin900 | gotta go drive across town | 18:32 |
| RST38h | cehteh: Ok, could you do me a little favor? | 18:33 |
| dregin | hmmm | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | duh, haha! No, shift-leftrocker kills xchat here (older version) | 18:33 |
| cehteh | no :) ... well i can spend you a beer when you do it yourself :P | 18:33 |
| * RST38h sighs | 18:33 | |
| dregin | how do I go about switching my N900 from UK to world so I can get the latest firmware? | 18:33 |
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| * cehteh busy | 18:33 | |
| RST38h | No xchat fixes for either of you then, punks =) | 18:33 |
| cehteh | haha | 18:33 |
| cehteh | well what? .. | 18:33 |
| dregin | only on 2.2009.51 atm :\ | 18:33 |
| * RST38h wanted someone to summarize the above discussion in a few lines and email it to him | 18:33 | |
| * RST38h has to go do some chores | 18:34 | |
| RST38h | (but still wants to know what to fix in the next xchat release) | 18:34 |
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| mgedmin900 | heh | 18:34 |
| mgedmin900 | irclogs are online | 18:34 |
| cehteh | you may notice that i drop out of the discussuin here for some 15-30 minutes .. thats when i am really dont look and working .. its not that i grab popcorn and watch the channel :P | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, considering how seldom I use them to switch channels... maybe defaulting to scrolling is a better decision actually | 18:34 |
| * mgedmin900 missed half of the discussion thanks to xchat crashes anyway | 18:34 | |
| mgedmin900 | Doc++ | 18:35 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: having the channel switcher hildonized would be great .. but i can live without it | 18:35 |
| mgedmin900 | RST38h, I think I owe you a beer for all the xchat fixing | 18:35 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: i try to provide the title fix (eh improvement) .. but depends on how fast i am and how slow you are, possibly next within the next days | 18:36 |
| RST38h | ok | 18:36 |
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| cehteh | next week i am probably rather busy and then on the Chemnitzer Linux Tage on weekend | 18:37 |
| cehteh | so prolly leaves only tomorrow or sunday mhm, sounds unlikely i make it in the next 1-2 weeks | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: I still got space left over for another 4,,5 chan, so I don't care about hildonizing chanswitcher | 18:39 |
| * cehteh uses the laptop mostly anyways .. n900 only when chatting from the toilet :P | 18:40 | |
| RST38h | thanks for sharing =) | 18:41 |
| RST38h | BTW, this bring up a question of why you needed that notification plugin to begin with... | 18:41 |
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| pupnik | breakpoint demo party in bingen in april 2-5 http://breakpoint.untergrund.net/ | 18:42 |
| jaska | toilet seat twitter integration? | 18:42 |
| cehteh | ok .. using it when not at the laptop .. there are other cases too :) | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: rotfl | 18:43 |
| cehteh | i dont use twitter or any other IM, only irc .. so thats the way to reach me | 18:43 |
| pupnik | ++ | 18:44 |
| cehteh | pupnik: thats the last breakpoint or? | 18:44 |
| pupnik | yes | 18:44 |
| cehteh | me was never there | 18:44 |
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| pupnik | same | 18:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 appreciates IRC has no video option :-P | 18:45 | |
| * cehteh too :) | 18:45 | |
| cehteh | mhm prolly i should tape the frontcam .. you never know :) | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though actually I'd appreciate a HW(!)fcoupled privacy light for frontcam even more | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: not to scare you with my thoughts | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: hehe same thought same time | 18:48 |
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| cehteh | hw-coupled has some problems .. how do you verify that it is *really* hw coupled? | 18:48 |
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| cehteh | even as electronics engineer you wont have an easy job to verify that without doubt | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, by driving it (the cam) via assembler code and watch the light go on/of - first aproximation | 18:49 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows what NET USB is? | 18:49 |
| cehteh | but who knows .. maybe all shelf tape is translucent to some hidden frequency band in the visible spectrum which the frontcam pics up best | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's for sure not without any doubt | 18:50 |
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| cehteh | RST38h: usb over ethernet iirc | 18:50 |
| RST38h | How do I enable it in Windoze? | 18:50 |
| RST38h | (or Linsux) | 18:50 |
| cehteh | dunno .. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but good enough to proove if Nokia completely cheeted | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | probably I'l retrofit such lED myself | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LED | 18:51 |
| * cehteh thinks tape is simpler | 18:51 | |
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| RST38h | Fuck, why haven't they simply implemented an FTP server? :((( | 18:52 |
| * n00bmonkey thinks about heading home........ | 18:52 | |
| cehteh | and well .. the frontcam is so worse .. you cant really recognize anything | 18:52 |
| n00bmonkey | dunno, front cam is ok, but only in good lighting | 18:52 |
| cehteh | RST38h: or samba | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | got a bag of wired SMT LED at home, will check what can be done when I rip the thing tonight :-P | 18:52 |
| RST38h | yep | 18:53 |
| jo-erlend | rst38h:.easy to use in ubuntu, anyway. linux doesn't say much | 18:53 |
| RST38h | jo: how? how??? | 18:53 |
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| cehteh | .. so now i go to the kitchen an make a tea .. and not to toilet .. just to tell, you wont notice otherwise :P | 18:53 |
| jo-erlend | rst...:.there are guides. | 18:53 |
| cehteh | thats where i use the n900 too :P | 18:53 |
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| RST38h | ok, thank you. | 18:55 |
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| cehteh | yeah irc is the better microtwitter | 18:58 |
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| * cehteh just brewed tea now | 18:58 | |
| pupnik | RST38h: exidy sorceror emulator http://www.liaquay.co.uk/sorcerer/index.html time for a N900 port :P | 18:58 |
| dregin | is it possible to change the N900's region code? | 18:59 |
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| wazd_e63 | Heya maemo | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hooray!!! checked schematics thinking bou dualusing green-charging-led-driver transistor -- when I opened taskswitcher to jump back here (xchat) it froze for 4 minutes | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | swappidiswappidiswapp | 19:02 |
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| jo-erlend | how do I get tab on N900? | 19:02 |
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| pupnik | dregin: you can change language, time zone, date format | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | even... | 19:02 |
| pupnik | ctrl+i jo-erlend | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ahh no ping needed | 19:03 |
| dregin | pupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware. I want to change my region so I can get it :) | 19:03 |
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| dregin | I remember using NSS to do it with symbian phones - I was hoping there was something similar for maemo. | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so let's o same fun again :-D | 19:03 |
| jo-erlend | pupnik: sure? | 19:03 |
| pupnik | pr1.2 is out?? | 19:03 |
| pupnik | works hre in term | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | V1303 charging LED driver (red) | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | perfect candidate | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | resistor to frontcam VDD - done | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe a diode too | 19:06 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: around? Will you make it to 2nd ru-maemo party?) | 19:07 |
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| RST38h | wazd: When? | 19:11 |
| RST38h | pupnik: 1.2 out? where? when? =) | 19:11 |
| * RST38h promptly salivates | 19:11 | |
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| pupnik | 18:03 < dregin> pupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware. | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | hard to believe | 19:13 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: well, march 27 I guess | 19:14 |
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| RST38h | wazd: right after FRUHT? | 19:14 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: that FRUCT stuff | 19:14 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: yep | 19:14 |
| RST38h | wazd: Of course. BTW, ab is gonna be there too | 19:14 |
| wazd_e63 | rst38h: cool, Dik is comming :) | 19:15 |
| RST38h | Microsoft phone: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/03/03-04-10pinkturtle.jpg | 19:15 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: Godzilla will also be there :D | 19:15 |
| RST38h | No, really... They made it even worse than the "Fresh Feces" Zune variety | 19:15 |
| lcuk | wazd_e63, where you reading the release from | 19:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: Definitely need Eldar Murtazin to complete the picture | 19:16 |
| wazd_e63 | rst38h: he's too affraid of me :) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | wazd: But, lacking that, we can teach Godzilla to switch into R&D mode, maybe he can brick his device faster with that | 19:16 |
| wazd_e63 | Lcuk: release of what? :) | 19:16 |
| ab | hehe | 19:17 |
| cehteh | tmo is down? | 19:17 |
| RST38h | ok, I am out, chores. | 19:17 |
| RST38h | moo, ab | 19:17 |
| wazd_e63 | Ab: heya | 19:17 |
| ab | me out too | 19:18 |
| lcuk | the party | 19:18 |
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| wazd_e63 | Lcuk: well, local forums n stuff | 19:18 |
| wazd_e63 | Lcuk: it's not oficcial | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 19:19 |
| Corsac | RST38h: that looks like a fisher-price freerunner :) | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | wazd_e63, this looks bare without any russians http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 19:20 |
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| lovelyboy | hai, how to find the file directory in device? | 19:26 |
| tripzero | the file manager? | 19:28 |
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| tripzero | or maybe xterm? | 19:28 |
| lovelyboy | in x term | 19:28 |
| tripzero | man find | 19:28 |
| lovelyboy | . | 19:29 |
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| lovelyboy | just another question, how can i port certain library and install it on the device? | 19:31 |
| lovelyboy | i want to use opencv on the device, n900, but got no idea how to install it on the device | 19:33 |
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| muriani | anyone here have experience running glorious Maemo on the beagleboard? | 19:39 |
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| muriani | I've been following the omappedia wiki, with general success until I get to http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Patching_of_configuration_files | 19:40 |
| Ian-- | anybody knows if there is a way to restart the phone/connectivity demon if there is something of the sort? | 19:41 |
| muriani | hm, never mind, I think that did it. | 19:41 |
| Ian-- | i sometimes get disconnected and the phone doesn't notice this | 19:41 |
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| Ian-- | and i have to reboot to connect again | 19:41 |
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| n00bmonk3y | blonking hell | 19:52 |
| n00bmonk3y | anyone here with a new N900 fancy testing an extras devel app? want to test something :) | 19:52 |
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| arachnist | n00bmonk3y: n900fly? ;) | 19:53 |
| n00bmonk3y | naaa, the healthcheck :) - got it to read the N900 board revision number, want to see if we all have the same hardware model, or if they have started new revisions :D | 19:53 |
| n00bmonk3y | but i do like fly :D | 19:54 |
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| n00bmonk3y | my revision is 2101 (RX-51 main) | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Retail should all be the same. | 19:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | Some protos are different. | 19:56 |
| joppu | Is generating tarballs disabled on gitorious.org or what? | 19:56 |
| n00bmonk3y | yeah thought so, but worth double checking :D | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: like swaping blue and red on indicator LED? ;-D | 19:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Do they? | 19:59 |
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| * GeneralAntilles 's HW revision is 2001. | 19:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | driver source says the did | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might have been green, not blue. Would match better with a red/green blind EE XP | 20:01 |
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| n00bmonk3y | Khertan : sent you the email, thanks in advance for any help when you get some time :D - very much appreciated | 20:05 |
| Arif_ | ohai thar | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: maybe it's heritage from N810 even | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lp5521.c 31 #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG | 20:08 |
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| n00bmonk3y | lol @ Spam on toast | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idiot script kiddies never run short on time to try nonsense | 20:11 |
| pupnik | and use a consistent bannable user id | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL on that | 20:11 |
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| ljp | could be a scriptoldfartie | 20:13 |
| ljp | bunch of bored old men sitting around a retirement home | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lorn, it's a bunch of retired trolls ;-P | 20:17 |
| ljp | could be | 20:18 |
| Shapeshifter | btw. Are there some QA guidelines for stuff in extras-devel? Or is extras-devel seriously devel and is allowed to contain apps that contain lots of bugs? | 20:18 |
| Shapeshifter | because I wrote something (Alarmed), it's in extras-devel now, but it crashes often (reproducably) and has some other bugs, which are all due to problems in pyside or pymaemo, or Qt in PR1.1. | 20:19 |
| Shapeshifter | It's usable and does what it's supposed to (pretty much) but it crashes often. | 20:19 |
| Shapeshifter | It shouldn't do any damage to things, though. | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: seems you perfectly fit in there, among the other buggy crap | 20:20 |
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| N900evil | but its crashes may alarm people? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: that's why it's called alarmed | 20:21 |
| Shapeshifter | :D | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: you got register specs for gaia somewhere? | 20:22 |
| N900evil | there are links to the ds from the hw page | 20:22 |
| Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=557134#post557134 hooray. Happy crashing everyone :) | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | both sheets I dl'd are without register specs for all I've seen | 20:22 |
| N900evil | twl4030 has no ds, but there is a seemingly identgicaal par with | 20:23 |
| N900evil | ah | 20:23 |
| N900evil | not read in detail. I think it was around 222 pages | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | from "a short scan shows the I2C adresses match" I conclude somebody seen those reg specs | 20:23 |
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| LiraNuna | Shapeshifter: looks interesting | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | Shapeshifter, preferably apps in extras-devel shouldn't have bugs that brick your N900 | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: it wont | 20:25 |
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| mgedmin | but regular crashes are not a blocker, I think | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: that's just a scary warning | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | best mention that in the description | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: sure did. | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | EXPERIMENTAL EARLY VERSION MIGHT CRASH or something like that | 20:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: WILL CRASH FOR SURE | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | well, if it crashes right on startup, what's the point of uploading? | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | if it crashes when the user does X, then "MIGHT" is correct, because the user might not do X ;) | 20:27 |
| wolfiR | hi, is there a way to analyze/log n900's sip client? I've got a strange issue and would be interested in the sip communication | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: no it doesn't crash on startup. It works fine. It works allright. But if you do one thing 3 times, it will crash | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | call it an easter egg ;) | 20:27 |
| N900evil | DocScrutinizer, I looked at ds and kernel defines | 20:27 |
| Shapeshifter | mgedmin: well that's right ;) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah right, kernel defines | 20:27 |
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| N900evil | or i2c /sys I forget | 20:28 |
| pillar | Shapeshifter: looks nice, a feature request: sending scheduled sms/emails | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900evil: I just wonder how to enable the VBUS chargepump | 20:29 |
| Shapeshifter | pillar: will add it to list. can look into it. | 20:29 |
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| pillar | Shapeshifter: cool, thanks - looks really nice | 20:29 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone get what "pdu_array" is in this python code example for sending sms? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | (first code block) | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't really get where the message is... must be pdu_array. But what should be in that "array". Python doesn't even have "arrays" | 20:38 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Seriously? Freemantle? | 20:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should kick their asses. | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (cur) (last) 2750527505 13:52, 27 January 2010 dneary (Talk | contribs) (2,761 bytes) (Moved from developer guide) | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 20:49 |
| pupnik | GeneralAntilles: when they made that N900 advdertisement with the interview room, were you the guy who went apeshit and turned into a robot: :) | 20:49 |
| pupnik | i thought that captured us so well :) | 20:50 |
| lcuk | portal 2 on its way | 20:50 |
| lcuk | :D:D:D | 20:50 |
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| zzzoid | hi | 20:50 |
| zzzoid | i'm installing maemo scratchbox | 20:50 |
| zzzoid | i'm trying to run it and it's telling me to add user to group sbox | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Freemantle (Southampton), or Brian Freemantle (1936) britischer Autor | 20:51 |
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| zzzoid | so i ran usermod -aG sbox user | 20:51 |
| zzzoid | but then groups doesnt show sbox | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vs Fremantle, Australien | 20:53 |
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| pupnik | how about opening the group file directly zzzoid | 20:54 |
| ponyofdeath | hi, guys the update tablet firmware instructions for linux are not really clear do i have the device off? open a term su root but still use sudo? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:54 |
| pupnik | unit is off, plug in, turn on | 20:55 |
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| pupnik | flasher is run as root | 20:55 |
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| ponyofdeath | got it thanks pupnik | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc even start flasher then plug in powered down device - should start automatically by plugin event | 20:56 |
| pupnik | oh hmm | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc!! | 20:57 |
| ponyofdeath | so power device down > plug usb cable in > start flasher > turn on device | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope swap plug with start-flasher | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that doesn't work, try it your way :-D | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | holding "U" while plugging in might help as well | 21:00 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: well it started flashing so | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | how? | 21:00 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: powered device down > started flasher > pluged in cable | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | coool | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :) | 21:01 |
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| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: hope this fixes my fm tx issue :) | 21:01 |
| ponyofdeath | i go this firmware image RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_002 | 21:01 |
| zzzoid | i'm trying to install the sdk and i'm getting errors | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope so as well | 21:01 |
| ponyofdeath | ll | 21:01 |
| ponyofdeath | DocScrutinizer: RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 21:01 |
| zzzoid | Scratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0. | 21:01 |
| b0unc3 | hey guys, anybody know howto create a custom keyboard shorcut ? | 21:02 |
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| zzzoid | can anyone here help with the installation of scratchbox? | 21:06 |
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| ponyofdeath | what is OS 2009 version vs PR 1.1.1 versions ? | 21:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OS2009 isn't a thing | 21:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's Maemo 5 | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | ponyofdeath, the 2009 updates were prior to 1.1.1 | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | The version string in they use is release#.year.week#.build# | 21:14 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, 3.2010.2-8 is release 3, 8th build from week 2 of 2010. | 21:15 |
| Arif_ | zomg | 21:15 |
| Arif_ | there's a new app in Ovi store | 21:15 |
| tripzero | ?? | 21:15 |
| Arif_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/27634?clickSource=browse&contentArea=applications | 21:15 |
| Lumpio- | No way | 21:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles ponders lunch | 21:16 | |
| Arif_ | looks cool actually... | 21:16 |
| Lumpio- | They finally added another app to it? | 21:16 |
| Lumpio- | So now there's two? | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | no | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | its one app | 21:16 |
| Lumpio- | lol the screenshot is totally S60 | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | and one DRM'd podcast you can't use | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | :P | 21:16 |
| Lumpio- | I mean in the entire store | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | yeah I'm talking about the store | 21:16 |
| Arif_ | one app, one DRM'd audio file that the N900 can't play :D | 21:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | What the hell kind of use is a 3-star rating system? | 21:17 |
| Lumpio- | ah | 21:17 |
| Lumpio- | nice | 21:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Ovi Store people are all idiots. | 21:17 |
| Arif_ | those ratings are all in weird languages :( | 21:17 |
| Lumpio- | How the hell can they botch up a mobile app store thing that badly | 21:17 |
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| Arif_ | I have the feeling they're TRYING to screw it up | 21:18 |
| Arif_ | ;) | 21:18 |
| GeneralAntilles | Lumpio-, because it's Nokia. | 21:18 |
| Arif_ | hmm | 21:18 |
| Lumpio- | ah | 21:18 |
| Arif_ | I need new earphones | 21:18 |
| Lumpio- | They make decent hardware though | 21:18 |
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| GeneralAntilles | As far as I can tell, half the company is incompetent and the other half doesn't care. | 21:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | The 1% that aren't either just get constantly overruled by the rest. | 21:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 29 hearts for the Maemo Freaks article on MeeGo? | 21:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Weird | 21:29 |
| javispedro | standards are decaying... | 21:29 |
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| RST38h | General: Bloggers, sir | 21:33 |
| RST38h | General: Very good illustration of the process: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_m0O2XlVi3Mc/S4waN3nlGII/AAAAAAAACEY/nN4mBFwMEQ0/s640/blogger.jpg | 21:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, what a bizarre metaphor. | 21:35 |
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| RST38h | General: Ah, just think of it and it will become more and more evident | 21:36 |
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| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the old woman must be Peter, then? | 21:39 |
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| RST38h | General: See, you are getting it =) | 21:40 |
| javispedro | ooh | 21:41 |
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| javispedro | source for some icd2 modules | 21:41 |
| javispedro | maemo.gitorious.org is full of surprises | 21:41 |
| pupnik | what is icd2 for? | 21:43 |
| javispedro | the internet connectivy daemon | 21:43 |
| pupnik | acha | 21:43 |
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| pupnik | "Old woman!" 'Man.' "What?" 'Im not a woman' | 21:44 |
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| Arif_ | anyone ever used a pair of soundmagic PL50s? | 21:48 |
| zash | javispedro: like nm? | 21:49 |
| javispedro | zash: yes, like nm, or connman. used in maemo. | 21:49 |
| javispedro | closed source. | 21:50 |
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| t_s_o | hmm, that new tinymail looks interesting, but whats the chance of it showing up on diablo? | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Slim to none? | 22:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless somebody from the community gets to hacking. | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | the CSSU is actually going forward quite nicely | 22:38 |
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| Hoxzer | sucks that maemo is not compitable with later OSses | 22:38 |
| ptl | how do I know my telephone number on the N900? | 22:39 |
| t_s_o | glad to hear that Stskeeps | 22:39 |
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| ptl | Hoxzer: maemo is linux, compatible with lots of other OSes, just not on the binary level - no one is | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | ptl, call your other phone? | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | or call a friend who's sitting next to you | 22:41 |
| * mgedmin wonders if the phone's own number is stored in the SIM card or not | 22:41 | |
| Hoxzer | ptl: well, surely diablo has older libaries when compared to the maemo. So it's not source compitable | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | I don't think I've ever seen a cellphone that would know its own number | 22:41 |
| mgedmin | some have a menu item that lets you tell it its number | 22:41 |
| ptl | mgedmin: from the N900 menus | 22:42 |
| ptl | mgedmin: my two previous phones did that | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | cool | 22:42 |
| ptl | Symbian S90 and Windows Mobile | 22:42 |
| ptl | Maemo must do it too. | 22:42 |
| FIQ | lol, the feature exists on lots of phones | 22:44 |
| FIQ | even my first one, nokia 3510i | 22:44 |
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| mgedmin | my 6600 slide doesn't have it | 22:45 |
| frals | think you can get it from dbus or smth from com.nokia.Phone | 22:46 |
| mgedmin | or I don't know where to look | 22:46 |
| frals | but your sim card might not have it set afaik | 22:46 |
| FIQ | you really should learn it anyway. ;) | 22:47 |
| hrw | mgedmin: my se k750i had it | 22:48 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 22:49 |
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| FIQ | does someone knows about the charger's quality? | 22:55 |
| FIQ | mine seems to start failing | 22:55 |
| FIQ | and i have had my device 2 weeks | 22:55 |
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| FIQ | it works, but you need to have it excactly in a special way | 22:56 |
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| hrw | bye | 22:57 |
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| MohammadAG_ | <ptl> how do I know my telephone number on the N900? | 22:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | FIQ, sounds more like you're USB port is coming lose than the charger's failure. | 22:59 |
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| AntiXpucT | hi there! | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | call someone then store it in my info | 22:59 |
| FIQ | er, wut? | 22:59 |
| microlith | FIQ: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107 | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | FIQ, in short, http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftabulacrypticum.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F12%2Fbroke_2.jpg | 23:01 |
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| AntiXpucT | i've found, that it is libqt4-maemo5-* (Qt-4.6.2) packages available in repos. But some "out-of-the-box" and some of ovi software depends on "old" libqt4-* (Qt-4.5.3) packages. | 23:02 |
| AntiXpucT | is it any way to have only latest (maemo5-*) version, but don't uninstall this software? | 23:03 |
| frals | guys what is the "role title" for working for a moving company? trying to translate my cv to english :p | 23:03 |
| FIQ | hm, maybe could be that | 23:04 |
| AntiXpucT | this is list list: ( as-config-applet-0 as-daemon-0 camel-as-provider-0 libas-storage-0 mp-fremantle-generic-pr offscr-electric-beams offscr-level offscr-pocket-calculator offscr-resistors offscr-seismometer psi-plus tickstill) | 23:04 |
| microlith | frals: what did you do? | 23:04 |
| frals | move other peoples stuff | 23:04 |
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| FIQ | i can try use my car charger and see if it fails too | 23:04 |
| FIQ | s/fails/semifails/ | 23:04 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: i can try use my car charger and see if it semifails too | 23:04 |
| microlith | frals: oh so actually moving things, hmm | 23:04 |
| frals | yeah | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: ping | 23:05 |
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| frals | no takers on job title for "moving things for a moving company" for a cv? :D | 23:07 |
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| pwnguin | man, i really need to write a script to auto authenticate with our campus wifi | 23:09 |
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| joppu | Stskeeps: downloading source tarballs disabled on gitorious? | 23:15 |
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| Stskeeps | joppu: hmm, shouldn't be | 23:16 |
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| villager | frals: mover? | 23:20 |
| frals | sounds so simple :D | 23:20 |
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| joppu | Stskeeps: Yeah, seem server-wide, just gives a "Temporary disabled" error message | 23:23 |
| frals | anyway thanks villager im going with that :) | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | joppu, htey were down for sched maint yesterday for a little bit, its possibly related | 23:25 |
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| ArifN900 | moo... | 23:26 |
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| GAN900 | frals, yeah, we call those movers in the US | 23:28 |
| jebba | pong Stskeeps | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: nm, i found your fbcon kernel | 23:29 |
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| jebba | Stskeeps: let me know how it works for you. The previous ones for me were stable, but that latest one was resetting quite often. It was also the first one (IIRC) that i did in the FREMANTLE_ARMEL scratchbox not in FREMANTLE_KERNEL, fwiw. | 23:30 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: let's just say it worked for my needs :) | 23:30 |
| jebba | cool good. | 23:30 |
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| swc|666 | jebba, where you ever able to get 2.6.32 running (without making your n900 *smoke*) ? | 23:35 |
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| jebba | no. There's no touchscreen driver after 2.6.29 | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | touchscreen is easy to get back in | 23:36 |
| swc|666 | yea i read that.. anything else "known" to be missing? | 23:36 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is actually the LCD panel | 23:36 |
| swc|666 | hmm | 23:37 |
| jebba | tsc2005.c is what i'm thinking. There are likely others. | 23:37 |
| Stskeeps | jebba: tsc2005 exists as a patch and is easy to patch in, at least :P | 23:37 |
| * swc|666 throws a fireball @ nokia | 23:37 | |
| jebba | Stskeeps: it could be patched in ok to latest kernel? I hadnt tried. Anything else you know of that's needed? | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | jebba: LCD panel is a bit of a downer | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | ACX565AKM or something isn't there | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | it exists as a patch but doesn't fit with newer dss2 | 23:39 |
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| jebba | Ah, well ya, that's likely needed too ;) | 23:39 |
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| Stskeeps | it gets to be a rather boring experience without | 23:39 |
| Stskeeps | but the blind might be able to use the device | 23:40 |
| jebba | would get really good at haptic devel :) | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Or composite out. | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's DSS2 too | 23:40 |
| RST38h | Heya Sts | 23:40 |
| Stskeeps | lo RST38h | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:41 |
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| RST38h | Shit, latest pidgin plugin still does not support ICQ well =( | 23:44 |
| * RST38h looks for nix | 23:44 | |
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| t-tan | hey jebba, how much of the .28 Nokia patches did you port to the .32 kernel when you tried it? or did you use stock .32? | 23:52 |
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