IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-03-05

joker_89and then urllib.urlopen00:00
joker_89and says error00:00
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ShadowJKthere's #pys60 for Python on Symbian S6000:00
dregin#python maybe?00:00
ShapeshifterI'm less friendly. I call vampire00:00
ShadowJKoh, he's already there.00:00
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tripzeroso my n900 isn't showing up as an external drive on my ubuntu boxes00:00
zaheermjoker_89, where did you get the example urllib.urlopen ?00:01
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joker_89from nokia wiki00:01
zaheermjoker_89, and has your phone got s60 5th edition or 3rd edition?00:01
joker_89seems very easy but.. dont work,00:01
zaheermjoker_89, they probably have an older python version for 3rd edition00:02
joker_89i try with python 1.4.4, 1.4.5 and 2.0.0 from maemo00:02
zaheermjoker_89, which may not have urllib.urlopen00:02
zaheermmaemo stuff will not usually work on symbian00:02
joker_89i do all with the emulator00:02
zaheermask in #pys6000:03
zaheermit is a dedicated channel for python on s6000:03
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zaheermthere is also a mailing list you can ask your question in00:05
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zaheermread that under "Getting help"00:06
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Hoxzer:/ Been noticing huge amount of n900's in my school. Saw 3 today00:09
Hoxzerand 2 yesterday00:09
Arif_what school00:09
Hoxzersurely they're giving them for free or something. I'm sure00:09
zaheermmust be finland00:09
Hoxzerzaheerm: yeah00:09
ShapeshifterSo, for example now I tried setting the minute of this recurrence. I did: recurrence.mask_min = 42 and now the event actually shows "recurrence_tab0.mask_min: 42" in alarm_queue.ini, so it seems like something happened. There's also an hour mask, "ecurrence_tab0.mask_hour: 16777215" which comes from recurrence.mask_hour |= alarm.RECUR_HOUR_ALL. but despite all this, the alarm didn't ring at 42.00:09
Arif_mine flow through half a corridor by accident today00:09
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HoxzerThere is at least one project going on for n900 in my school :(00:09
Hoxzersomething related to ad-hoc networking00:09
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HoxzerThey were doing that even before n900 was releasted though00:10
Arif_everyone has a crackberry at my school...00:10
Arif_they haven't figured out MSN can be used on mobiles too00:10
Hoxzerand IRC and email00:10
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Hoxzerand skype!00:11
Arif_and facebook00:11
Arif_and twitter00:11
Arif_and voip00:11
Arif_and skype00:11
Hoxzerskype is awsome default feature in maemo :)00:11
Tuxprobehi, i cant find my unix-box through Media Shares :/00:11
Tuxprobewhats so awfully wrong with my setup??00:11
Arif_have you set up an upnp server00:11
lcukHoxzer, great!  put your school o nthe map
lcukand make sure they blog about stuff00:11
Hoxzerespecially as I'm almost always able to get wlan connect00:11
Tuxprobearif_ whats that?00:11
Arif_well there you go00:11
inzHoxzer, yeah, I've noticed N900s-a-plenty too; only saw 3 N810s00:12
Arif_you need an UPnP server on your PC00:12
inzHoxzer, the ad-hoc social networking thingie is seeking participants, have you applied?-)00:12
Tuxprobelike, why does Windows 7 come with that by default??00:12
lcukHoxzer, where bouts are you?00:13
Arif_because it has WMP00:13
Tuxprobegupnp-tools - UPnP Tools?00:13
Arif_and WMP has UPnP :P00:13
Arif_no idea about loonix though00:13
Arif_I don't use that00:13
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Hoxzerinz: no, not really00:13
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* lcuk does ad-hoc networking00:15
inzHoxzer, I hate those free-form boxes; the pilot seems interesting (and you could win a N900 =)00:16
inzI've never owned any tablet :(00:16
lcuko_O inz00:17
Tuxprobenoone has samba shares available on the maemo from a nix box?00:17
inzI've had plenty in use (4 atm), but owned: none.00:17
CorsacTuxprobe: not sure maemo shares anything?00:18
Corsacby default at least00:18
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HoxzerTuxprobe: You can use sshfs as an alternative00:19
tripzerommm, does the n900 have sshfs?00:19
Tuxprobehoxzer ive allready setup a sshfs script just struggling with the permissions now00:19
Tuxprobebut would be nice with an on demand auto discovery..00:19
Tuxprobewith sshfs i need to change configuration on the device for each share - with samba the shares are controlled via ui on the laptop )00:20
ShadowJKfuse is an included kernel module so I imagine it'd be possible to install sshfs.. I vaguely recall people are using it00:20
HoxzerTuxprobe: Have you tried to mount it as a root with -allow_other option?00:21
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HoxzerTuxprobe: It can be done without root permissions and should be done but that's the quick and dirty way00:21
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Tuxprobewell, im on it :)00:21
HoxzerAlso maemo will change permissions back to default after reboot00:21
Tuxprobewas just scouting through sshfs options prior to giving smb a last try00:22
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dreginjust looking at nothing has happened on it for 4 years. Is it still used for dev?00:22
lcukdregin, yes00:22
Tuxprobedregin yes00:22
Tuxprobeand now integrated as plugin with sbrsh into eclipse00:22
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dreginI see scratchbox2 in ubuntu repos...00:23
* dregin installs that00:23
Tuxprobe'remote shell' allowing to do -> compile, build dist, run remotely live on device00:23
inzdregin, there are news from 2009-12-14, that's less than 4 months.00:23
inzAnd scratchbox2 is quite different from scratchbox, and may not work for what you want.00:24
inzIf it works, it's somewhat more elegant though =)00:24
dreginhmmmm maybe I read 2009 as 200600:24
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inzHoxzer, do you know, when did TOASnet stop revealing the full address by ip address?00:31
* lcuk posted to slashdot 00:32
inzHoxzer, nowadays it seems one can only take a guess at the building; and even that needs some additional knowledge.00:32
Hoxzerinz: I guess when they started using dhcp00:32
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inzHoxzer, ah, that would make it, yes =)00:33
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* corecode finds 64bit bugs in tinymail00:34
ShapeshifterSo, any hints on my little libalarm issue?00:34
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inzHoxzer, just to make sure my guess isn't all off, you _do_ live in w3, right?00:35
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Hoxzerinz: dude, stop yelling my location here. Who knows what type of rapist lurk around here00:36
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Hoxzerinz: but no I dont but very close00:36
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inzHoxzer, well, I'm pretty sure no one can find you even if they know what w3 meant.00:36
inzHoxzer, and if even that is incorrect, then blah =)00:37
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inzI was just curious what kind of changes they've made since I left the precious fast tube.00:37
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inzBut it seems, then, that they've done some major revamping there.00:38
villagerShapeshifter: setting mask to 42 won't make it ring at :42... setting mask to 1 << 42 might00:38
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ShadowJKtmo is such a cesspool I don't feel like doing anything except troll the whiners :P00:41
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, Woo!00:42
inztroll, troll, troll your post, gently down the thread00:42
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* Xisdibik liked inz's song so much he wants to hear the next part00:42
* ShadowJK just implied taht the reason there are "no apps" for n900 is because n900 already does everything one could possibly want it to do00:42
XisdibikShadowJK, people just need to optify their apps :P00:43
ShadowJKoh yes, on that regard I'm in the whiner category00:43
* ShadowJK installed tcpdump and is down to 50M free on / :(00:44
corecodepvanhoof: you there?00:44
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inzXisdibik, flames, flames, flames, flames, whiners are upset00:46
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inzOh wait, merrily is three syllables, that didn't work out00:46
Shapeshiftervillager: mhhh thanks I'll try that00:46
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pvanhoofcorecode, I am, but don't shoot me for something I did wrong :)00:47
Xisdibikinz, ill wait, you can fix it :)00:47
corecodepvanhoof: tinymail uses GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) in many places00:47
corecodepvanhoof: i have the feeling that this chops the type to 32 bits00:48
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pvanhoofcorecode, hmm, tinymail has been 2 years ago when I last did major coding for that. A better person to ask is sergio on channels like #modest and #tinymail on GIMPNet00:48
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:48
pvanhoofcorecode, of course, if im honest, im still tinymail's maintainer ;), but so is sergio now00:49
corecodepvanhoof: ah thanks00:49
pvanhoofnp, enjoy coding00:49
corecodepvanhoof: quick question00:49
corecodepvanhoof: modest doesn't support storing sent mails on imap00:50
corecodepvanhoof: is that a tinymail issue, or just missing from modest00:50
pvanhoofI know tinymail could easily support this00:50
pvanhoofTinymail doesn't mind about the nature of the sent folder00:50
pvanhoofIt's just a tny_folder_add00:50
corecodeso tinymail can imap store00:50
pvanhoofAdapting modest for this should be easy00:50
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corecodeyea, first i need to get it running here00:51
corecodebut maybe crosscompiling is as good?00:51
corecodei dunno00:51
pvanhoofI think they have a custom TnySendQueue or something00:51
corecodethat one just segfaulted :)00:51
pvanhoofAnd there, in that code, they override the get_sent00:51
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pvanhoofok :)00:51
pvanhoofThat's not good00:51
lcukevening javispedro00:52
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inzXisdibik, flammable, flammable, flammable, flammable, post will stay unread00:52
javispedrohi lck00:53
Xisdibiklol inz, nice :D00:53
Xisdibikkeep going if you want, i love it00:53
inzThere are no more lyrics for the original, are there?00:53
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joker_89anyone know WRT?00:54
joker_89WEB RUNTIME?00:54
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lardmanevening all00:54
lcukhey lardman \o00:54
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lcukhey lardman \o00:54
inzXisdibik, RhymeZone had a nice suggestion "command overhead" as a 5-syllable phrase rhyming with "thread"; unfortunately it made no sense in this context :(00:55
lardmanhi lcuk00:55
corecodeYOU MAY NOT STORE POINTERS IN INTEGERS. THIS IS NOT PORTABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. These macros ONLY allow storing integers in pointers, and only preserve 32 bits of the integer; values outside the range of a 32-bit integer will be mangled.00:55
* corecode sighs00:55
corecodeso what am i supposed to do then?00:55
joker_89you heard about WRT?00:55
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lcukjoker_89, unless you are 12yo, please stop sounding like one.  of course we have heard of many of the technologies00:56
inzcorecode, don't store pointers in integers.00:56
* n00bmonk3y grumbles00:56
toggles_wcorecode: what are you looking at?00:56
corecodetoggles_w: tinymail00:56
lardmancorecode: it's only a warning after all... ;)00:56
Xisdibikinz, haha, yea doesnt fit the context ;(00:56
corecodetoggles_w: doesn't run on 64bit machines00:56
lcukcorecode, well of course00:57
corecodeof COURSE!00:57
javispedroso, tinymail stores integers on pointers? doesn't surprise me :900:57
corecodeit is called TINY!00:57
lcukin one of the legacy systems i maintained for a number of years, original developer used shorts to store database ids00:57
lcukeverything was fine until someone went over 16k entries00:58
ShadowJKHow about int_ptr_t00:58
n00bmonk3ysounds like y2k planning to me ;)00:58
lcuknahhh n00bmonk3y more like y1k00:58
lardmanlcuk: hey, storage was expensive00:58
lcuklardman, this was a windows vb app00:59
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lardmanvb 3.x?00:59
lcuknothing to do with storage00:59
lcukust using integer around00:59
javispedroactually, glib actually has "gintptr".00:59
corecodenow that's shit00:59
pupnik_please no misuse of ints in non portable ways.  that makes pupnik cry00:59
lcuki think i can count on my hand the number of times i actively used "integer" in a declaration00:59
lcukint pupnik_tears;01:00
lcukomg, you can have negative tears!01:00
ShadowJKoh sorry, C has intptr_t01:00
ShadowJKone underscore too many01:00
lardmanand if you square root those they become imaginary01:00
lcukthey fall off the ground, roll up your face and get sucked in01:00
corecodeno, the mo is GType -> gpointer via GUINT_TO_POINTER(type) [all fine].  later, gpointer -> uint -> GType via GPOINTER_TO_UINT(once.retval) [lose 32 bits]01:01
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corecodenobody can say i didn't try01:01
* frals pets python <301:01
ShadowJKchange the "unit" to intptr_t :(01:02
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inzcorecode, is sizeof(GType) 8?01:03
corecodewell, can't01:03
corecodeinz: the very least01:03
corecodeinz: :)01:03
corecodeinz: looks like an opaque pointer-in-type01:03
inzcorecode, I think it's just a integer identifier01:04
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inzcorecode, does GPOINTER_TO_SIZE and GSIZE_TO_POINTER do the trick?01:04
inzGType = gsize (= unsigned long)01:05
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inzcorecode, "GType — A numerical value which represents the unique identifier of a registered type."01:07
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nid0can't find any appropriate bugs on this, anyone know if it's intentional that the media player can only display ~50 ish items in any single folder when browsing a upnp server?01:07
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corecodeinz: but that appears ~ 50 times or so01:13
corecodeinz: not sure whether i should change all of them01:13
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corecodeah no, 164 times01:13
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inzcorecode, well, you should always check what data is put into the pointer (and read from it)01:15
burchrnighty night, maemo01:16
inzcorecode, if it's GType or gsize, then yes01:16
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inzcorecode, or then you could make it pass g_type_name(...) and change it back using g_type_from_name(); but that would be quite a bit slower, obviously =)01:17
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corecodetny-gtk-header-list-model.c:489: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size01:20
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corecodemm no that's something else01:21
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n00bmonk3ykhertan: are you alive? :D01:25
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javispedroI was today playing with some underclocking and drnoksnes01:34
javispedroat 250Mhz the software scaler becomes slower than the GPU assisted scaling01:35
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javispedro(at 500Mhz it's still somewhat faster)01:35
javispedroit's very much playable at 250Mhz + gpu, just a bit slower than n810 with hardware scaling01:36
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javispedrobut the battery savings seem negligible...01:37
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pupnik_interesting javispedro .. too about about battery savings01:42
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pupnik_too bad about01:44
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javispedroI'm pondering adding pbuffer support to SDL_gles..01:45
javispedroor just leave it to the app01:45
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javispedroeither way using pbuffers is stupid when you can use fbos01:45
javispedroso no.01:45
javispedrothat was quick :P01:45
javispedroframebuffer objects01:46
pupnik_this wondrous thing is what you implemented in drnoksnes in dec?01:47
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mikkovjavispedro: could you upload sdlgles to extras-devel?02:01
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mikkovI have glTron and tuxrace/tuxrider working more or less02:02
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mikkovI just need confirmation of tuxrider's gles wrapper licence02:02
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javispedroah yes, the wrapper was done by some iphone guy?02:04
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mikkovtuxrider guy made a wrapper
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mikkovIt's not the one which I saw at (bsd licenced)02:08
mikkovYou need still quite a bit hacking, but it has the most important things included02:09
javispedrocan't wait to play that02:09
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mikkovtuxracer has all the menus screwed up, but the actual game is perfect02:10
javispedroand performance?02:11
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mikkovI don't know the fps but good enough, I don't see any problems with performance02:11
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mikkovI think that some effort more games which are not using glut can be ported02:12
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javispedroglut is easy enough to reimplement too.02:12
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mikkovfor glut there actually exists glut|es02:13
javispedroi already started (called it glust) but stopped since I saw someone alraedy did it02:13
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pupnik_you know any command line tricks to get a .mp4 playing at fullspeed in mplayer?02:14
crashanddiepupnik_: mplayer filename.mp402:14
javispedromikkov: aha, sdlgles already went through the autobuilder. ping me if you find any issues with the packaging.02:15
mikkovso far I haven't seen any problems02:15
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javispedroI've changed the build-deps so that it builds in both x86 and armel, but that shouldn't break much :)02:16
mikkovI have to wait for answer from tuxracer guy before I can upload02:16
mikkovWell in theory I think all code there should be GPL02:17
javispedrothat says on the front page.02:17
mikkovthe actual files say "All rights reserved"02:18
javispedrohm :S02:18
javispedrobetter wait then.02:18
mikkovbut I think it's mostly trivial code for people who know the stuff02:18
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javispedroit targets gl es 1.1 then?02:19
mikkovso you can make a clean room implementation :)02:19
mikkovgles1.1 yes02:19
* javispedro thinks N810... will try if I find the time02:20
lardmannight chaps02:21
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javispedronight lardman02:22
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javispedrohm.. the armel package does not depend on EGL.02:27
javispedrofortunately the GLES1/2 packages do.02:27
mikkovgles library is not automatically recognised02:27
javispedroah, messed shlibdeps.02:28
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javispedrowell, since you need a gles1 or 2 package to use it and it will pull egl I won't bother.02:28
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mikkovthere is problem with tuxracer name. Apparently tuxracer cannot be called tuxracer and tuxrider is probably out of the question too :)02:31
mikkovso I was thinking tuxrace :)02:32
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javispedrodrnokrace :)02:37
javispedro(i'm such an evil genius ;P )02:37
mikkovjust need a splash screen02:37
javispedronice read.02:40
crsIn which repo can I find tweakr?02:40
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crsand how can I add it?02:41
crsI mean, what is url to it?02:41
mikkovsame as extras but replace extras with extras-testing02:42
crsok, thank02:42
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crsmikkov: Ok, got it, thatnks.02:47
javispedrobaaaah I want torxturxituxriracer already!02:50
mikkovI could send it you02:50
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javispedrohm.. why not? :P02:51
mikkovwhole package seems to be 30M02:52
javispedroI can wait then :P02:52
mikkovbinary is 500 kB02:52
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mikkovyou would need the binary and data directory from tuxrider+ musics and sounds from tuxracer02:54
javispedroah, btw02:54
javispedroyou use sdlmixer for music (midi?)?02:54
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mikkovmusic/ Impulse Tracker module sound data - "tux racer - options" compatible w/ITv217 created w/ITv21402:55
mikkovsdlmixer yes02:55
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javispedro"At first glance, it looks as if we're in the middle of a patent lawsuit Super Bowl party. Nearly every large mobile phone player has recently been involved in some sort of patent litigation regarding mobile technologies."03:12
javispedrowhat a fun market to be in.03:12
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GeneralAntillesHopefully they all tear eachothe down.03:13
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javispedronote that the graphic "conveniently" ignores Palm but they're in deep shit too. They already were before making the Pre, even.03:15
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GeneralAntillesKodak? lol03:23
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RST38hmoo all03:24
* RST38h back stateside03:24
javispedromoo RST03:24
GeneralAntillesHow's the weather?03:24
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RST38hGeneral: only a bit warmer than MSK03:25
RST38hAlthough forecast looks good =)03:25
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javispedroah, yet again the color palette of angry birds made tmo news.03:37
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GeneralAntillesPaid content back yet?03:38
GeneralAntillesThink they're waiting on PR1.2? :D03:38
* GeneralAntilles waits for an early Harmattan security framework deployment.03:38
javispedrodunno, I'm very much new to all this "being on the latest version" new fangled thing :)03:38
GeneralAntillesNokia can even market it like they're bringing Harmattan features to N900!03:38
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* javispedro tried angry birds for first time.. 4 days ago.03:39
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GeneralAntillesGet with the times!03:39
javispedroI'm definitely keeping it though :P03:39
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javispedrobtw what's with the new microb's "focus the address bar" (or something like that, since I have i18n'd version) option03:40
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ShadowJKIt's allegedly stupid03:40
javispedroit actually focuses the address bar, preventing me from writing anything in text fields.03:40
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javispedroI mean, it exactly does what it says on the tin :)03:40
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's buggy as hell.03:40
ShadowJKYou can tap in text fields and they get focus back03:40
ShadowJKbut the location bar steals the focus occasionally anyway03:41
javispedrofor a single character, after which the address bar gets focused again03:41
ShadowJKiirc timeless said they fought against it and the best they got was option to disable it :)03:41
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GeneralAntillesGotta love idiot UI people.03:41
javispedrothank god they managed to get that instead of yet another 4 key combination03:41
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javispedroI though those "people" would have run away from Maemo and moved onto the next Symbian UI already :P03:43
crashanddieUI is management versus logic03:43
* javispedro is reminded of that coders vs ui people slides on #maebar03:44
GeneralAntillesI just wish these people had public presences so they could be abused more directly.03:44
* GeneralAntilles missed that talk.03:44
javispedroand as usual, nobody uploaded the slides afai seen.03:45
GeneralAntillesWe just need to hook the presentation machines directly into slideshare or or something03:46
GeneralAntillesIn order to give your talk you have to upload them.03:46
javispedronext summit I'm going to come with a basket "please deposit pen drive with your slides here if you want to see another birthday.03:46
crashanddieNha, just force them to run presentations off slideshare directly03:47
crashanddieThey can upload it whenever they want, only slideshare is connected to projector03:47
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javispedrothey can choose that or the laptop with ms powerpoint 9503:50
GeneralAntillesBut they have to retype their talk03:52
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javispedroah, engadget is at it again03:55
GeneralAntillesThankfully they didn't interpret it as full Harmattan support03:56
javispedroyes, it could have been worse :)03:56
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* RST38h wonders how UI people rise up in the ranks while being compltely disconnected from actual users04:14
ShadowJKAnyone who claims any interface is "intuitive" has clearly never ever seen a user :)04:15
SpeedEvilOr a baby.04:17
SpeedEvilI'd love to understand the process behind that thought - the addressbar thing04:18
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GeneralAntillesHalf of it must be management meddling where they shouldn't.04:18
GeneralAntillesIt doesn't take much to turn a good idea into shit where UIs are concerned.04:18
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RST38hShadowJK: Well, Palm has got it right initially, but it cost them a LOT of work04:20
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, I love the nipple analogy04:20
GeneralAntillesconsidering the difficulty so many parents have with nursing.04:20
RST38hShadowJK: They basically counted clicks for every activity and optimized for the minimal number of clicks04:20
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: exactly.04:21
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: or indeed most animals04:21
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, maybe someone clueless saw all the whining about ^L not focusing location bar in diablo :)04:21
GeneralAntillesSo instead of just making ctrl-l work and calling it a day we make EVERYTHING focus the location bar!04:21
ShadowJKRST38h, that's just making things efficient, nothing about making things intuitive04:21
GeneralAntillesIntuitive is stupid04:22
GeneralAntillesWhen I use an interface for hours a day I don't care how easy it was to get started a year ago.04:22
ShadowJKYou know what the most beginner unfriendly things are? People who write beginner-friendly software04:22
SpeedEvilI'm beginning to wonder if I really need shiny desktop effects.04:23
GeneralAntillesStupid Nokia04:23
RST38hShadowJK: Not sure what they did to make things intuitive but it worked as well. Maybe because the whole thing was very simple to beign with04:23
SpeedEvilOr if I just want the transitions to bang.04:23
GeneralAntillesWhy did they have the screw up the version string on PR1.1.1?04:23
ShadowJKsrsly. They all have flashy stupid themed UIs, that look completely different than the standard UI elements they're struggling to learn04:23
povbotBug 9407: Do not show fullscreen button when scrolling with the keyboard04:27
GeneralAntillesI should've filed that months ago.04:27
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, there's transition-control btw to turn them off04:28
SpeedEvilO leow04:29
SpeedEvilI know04:29
SpeedEvilI really actually want some fast way of flipping apps.04:31
SpeedEvilMay get round to that04:31
SpeedEvilfor example, if keyboard open, lock button goes to previous window04:31
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, there's a patched h-d that ties in with camkeyd that does that.04:33
SpeedEvilhave to look that up04:34
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RST38hApple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location.04:35
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RST38hpoor iphone developers, there is no object that is too large for their collective butt04:36
crashanddieMeh, they just need to repackage it04:37
crashanddieOr make it a hidden feature04:37
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, Apple finds those too.04:53
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crashanddieHow about making an app that does geo-loc based on wifi hotspots?04:54
crashanddiekeep the feature, just don't make an app that does just that04:54
GeneralAntillesCan you imagine investing that kind of time and effort into an application and having Apple screw you over like that?04:55
GeneralAntillesI can't believe developers still come flocking to the platform.04:55
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RST38hit makes no sense into investing time and effort into something that sells for <$1004:56
RST38hyou simply won't get any money from it04:57
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SpeedEvilRST38h: but you make it up in volume.04:57
RST38hSpeed: No, you do not04:57
RST38hSpeed: To earn, let us say, $3000/mo you have to sell 300 copies / month or 10 per day04:58
GeneralAntillesSome do04:58
GeneralAntillesBut that giant freaking longtail04:58
SpeedEvilOr 1day  of 10 apps04:58
RST38hSpeed: Now, with tens of thousands of apps in the app store, your chance of selling 10/day is very slim04:58
derfIt's okay. Most of those people wouldn't have been able to do anything productive with that time anyway.04:58
GeneralAntillesRST38h, 'course, the amount of effort that goes into most of those "applications" is small.04:58
RST38hGeneral: It is not a longtail. It is a freaking lotteyr04:58
GeneralAntillesderf, +104:59
RST38hderf: Hmm, an interesting justification =)04:59
GeneralAntillesI love how people talk about the numbers in the app store like it's something to be proud of04:59
GeneralAntilles90% of it is useless spam04:59
derfRST38h: No harm, no foul.04:59
GeneralAntillesderf, maybe keeps petty theft down a bit? ;)04:59
RST38hGeneral: Oh you do know that the Chinese have figured out App Store farming?04:59
GeneralAntillesRST38h, oh?04:59
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RST38hGeneral: They release thousands of iPhone apps, usually repackaged Gutenberg content, silly sounds etc05:00
RST38hGeneral: They have got enough people to produce a LOT of apps. The quality of these "developers" is of course very low, but the goal here is not to write good apps, but to carpet-bomb App Store05:00
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RST38hGeneral: Something similar had been done to MIDP apps before, but the scale is incomparable05:01
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GeneralAntillesLove it.05:04
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* RST38h finally got to try BH-905. Nice, really nice.05:06
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RST38hNo way to see if they hang up though, without cell service working05:06
GeneralAntillesI can't take audio products from non-audio companies seriously.05:09
RST38hNot an audiophile, so they are ok with me =)05:10
RST38h(ok, way way better than anything I have owned so far)05:10
GeneralAntillesYou know, if there's one thing to be said for Nokia they do provide nice press photos.05:11
RST38hOh, they also provide nice products. EVERY NOW AND THEN. =)05:12
GeneralAntillesWith zero backing to go with them, unfortunately.05:12
RST38hThat seems to be popular with other companies too05:12
RST38hCasio, Samsung, Asus, etc05:12
GeneralAntillesTrue enough05:13
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GeneralAntillesBut I figure we should hold Nokia to higher standards. ;)05:13
RST38hDunno, my opinion is that Nokia should view providing software updates / fixes to its existing products as a service that increases value of its products, very much like Comes With Music or Maps05:14
RST38hAnd save money by maintaining a single code trunk for multiple devices rather than a separate trunk for each device like they seem to do05:15
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sobczykhi are there any ocr for n900? I'm intrerested especially in korean05:24
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LiraNunagot my N900 today!06:09
ShadowJKcool :)06:09
LiraNunahow come the USB/recharge port is on the top?06:09
GeneralAntillesThat's the right side. :)06:10
GeneralAntillesEr, left.06:10
* GeneralAntilles is thinking N800.06:10
LiraNunaGeneralAntilles, it's not fun to talk to the phone when it's charging06:10
zerojayIt's ever fun to talk on the phone at all?06:10
zerojayAny phone?06:11
ShadowJKlol, quite06:11
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LiraNunawhere is the game I keep seeing on youtube06:13
LiraNunathat ball game06:13
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ShadowJKupgrade to latest os, ovi store06:16
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crashanddieLiraNuna: football, pretty big, you may have heard of a small championship in the US recently06:16
* ShadowJK hasn't heard of any football championship in the US, ever06:17
ShadowJKthough there's one to be held in south africa soon isn't there? :)06:17
mgregsondShadowJK: Depends on your definition of "football".06:18
LiraNunaI don't think he means handegg06:18
mgregsondLiraNuna: That the current term?06:18
mgregsondLiraNuna: I kinda like it.06:19
LiraNunaI've heard it a lot06:19
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DocScrutinizersocker? football?06:24
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: handegg06:28
DocScrutinizernever heard of06:28
DocScrutinizerquite sure though in South Africa that's a socker championship06:29
ShadowJKha I was right06:29
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: football otoh is very popular in USA06:30
crashanddiewoops, bit long06:30
DocScrutinizerkick yourself for spamming :-P06:31
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ali1234regarding the whole "charging port is on wrong end" thing... doesn't the N900 have stereo speakers and mic? meaning it doesn't matter which way up you hold it while speaking...06:35
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ShadowJKactually 3 speakers06:36
ali1234or put another way, it can be fixed in software, by making the portrait mode go the other way (or follow accelerometer)06:36
ShadowJKthere's a third one when you dont wnt everyone around you to hear the call too06:36
DocScrutinizer  vs
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: there's also foosball vs fussball06:39
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: futsal06:39
crashanddiefutsal is pretty amazingly good actually06:41
DocScrutinizer  vs
DocScrutinizerbut actually  that's all or nothing06:42
GeneralAntillesThat popularity distribution graphics is super confusing06:42
DocScrutinizerjust no handegg06:42
cehtehLiraNuna: yeah, charger and usb are just on the wong sides06:43
crashanddieExcept that Fussball und futsal oder football are all based off a very simple concept: ball hitting foot.06:43
crashanddieRunning around with a non-spherical object in your hand is not, by definition, foot-ball06:44
cehtehit isnt egg-ball either :)06:44
DocScrutinizerit's either american football, or rughby06:46
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infobotDocScrutinizer meant: it's either american football, or rugby06:47
lpotter well, if you are being technical.. it isn't an egg06:49
hotchipthe only solution to that is to simply abolish the word football06:49
hotchipthere's soccer and american football06:49
hotchipnothing else06:50
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lpotterthere is australian rules football too06:50
fwrnandofalls into soccer06:50
fwrnando(unless they use hands)06:50
fwrnando(they...don't, I hope, right?)06:50
lpotterits not soccer06:50
fwrnandooval-shaped fields?06:51
fwrnandowhat the hell australia06:51
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DocScrutinizeramazingly the german wiki is much better on that topic- wonder why ;-)06:51
fwrnandook, so that's australian football from now on06:51
lpottergotta get some good use of the cricket things06:52
fwrnandostill, no single generic football06:52
fwrnando someone make a disambiguation page06:52
LiraNunais there an adblock for the mobile browser in the N900?06:53
fwrnando...I didn't know this name06:53
fwrnandoLiraNuna: follow the instructions here
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LiraNunaah, ty06:54
fwrnando(the repositories adblock is broken) (kinda)06:54
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mmgcsbest stock app/widget for N900? StockThis?06:59
LiraNunahmm, how come that instead of looking like this07:00
LiraNunait looks like GTK?07:00
fwrnandohe installed a firefox theme on his microb earlier07:00
fwrnando(hence the space shuttle)07:00
LiraNunaso it's supposed to look like stock GTK?07:00
microlithLiraNuna: is that microB or firefox mobile?07:01
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microlithI don't think addons from will work properly with microB07:01
fwrnandoyeah, that's why that's a special version07:02
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fwrnandonot a lot changed tho :o07:03
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microlitherr, that version still won't work07:05
microlithmicroB doesn't support the toolbar buttons or the blockable items panel07:05
microlithnever mind the config dialogs07:05
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microlithI suppose that works07:06
fwrnandosure, a little clunky at first, but it's literally set it and forget it07:07
LiraNunaso the N900 doesn't recognize horizontal/vertical position07:07
fwrnandoand opposed to css blocking or other stuff, that actually doesn't load ads at all, saving network traffic07:07
fwrnandoLiraNuna: how so?07:07
fwrnandoauto rotation? works on the phone app :P07:07
LiraNunahmm, not here07:07
microliththat said, I've still got the older port of ABP installed07:07
LiraNunaonly when I open the keyboard07:08
cehtehdevel & testing down? .. i think they hold the record of being more down that up07:08
cehtehLiraNuna: you have to enable it in its settings07:08
fwrnandoset the phone app to07:08
fwrnandoyeah that07:08
LiraNunaah, I See07:08
cehtehah .. not down .. no space left on device .. brillan ... grr07:08
LiraNunaunder where07:09
fwrnandophone app > tap title bar > settings07:09
fwrnandoer I meant turning control07:09
fwrnando(wasn't looking at mine right now)07:09
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cehtehhmpf .. ext3 is module not in kernel .. anyone had success moving /var on another partition?07:11
* cehteh thinks he he needs a 2nd device for playing, bricking and unbricking constantly :P07:11
microlitherr, n900 right?07:12
cehtehwhat else07:12
microlithwell for all I know, N800...07:12
ShadowJKdude /home is ext307:13
microlithyeah that07:13
microlithit has to have ext307:13
cehtehShadowJK: yes but ext3 is a module not in the kernel .. i dont know how the boot process exactly works and i dont want to figure out in the hard way07:13
cehtehmoving /var/ to the home partition07:13
microlithif it's not in lsmod then it's probably compiled in07:14
cehtehit is in lsmod07:14
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cehtehso moving over may not boot07:14
ShadowJK/lib/modules/current is where it lives07:14
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cehtehyes but does it mount /var before needing it?07:14
cehtehactually it doesnt mount /var at all because its on root07:15
DocScrutinizercehteh: mount /home early. then 'touch /home/itworked'07:15
cehtehDocScrutinizer: huh?07:15
cehtehyou mean as test?07:15
cehtehyeah .. maybe a plan07:15
DocScrutinizerto check if you could mount other ext307:16
cehtehdidnt you want to try that?07:16
* cehteh feels sometimes like a test bunny who paied nokia for being so07:16
cehtehDocScrutinizer: even if it works, it will break with pr1.2 again07:17
ShadowJKStay in the box if you don't want to be testbunny07:17
cehteh.. or free my device completely .. maybe after 1.2.1 or so .. it doesnt look like nokia will put very much efforts in new features anyways07:19
DocScrutinizercehteh: yeah I planned to do that. Alas I managed to get done exactly _nothing_ since a week now - except coughing and sleep at very strange times07:19
cehtehheh ok ..07:19
cehtehwell new 'pr' releases are all deb's .. i guess one can dismantle them and install just whats needed without reflashing the kernel or overriding certain boot scripts for example07:20
ShadowJKI think the priority should be on fixing bugs, obviously ;)07:21
cehtehShadowJK: this fuba partitions strives to be a bug07:21
ShadowJKThe real wtf is that it suddenly became such a big hurdle to do "./configure --prefix=/opt/maemo" instead of ./configure ;D07:22
cehtehthe real hurdle is not to have /usr on that home partition07:22
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cehtehhave a minimal bootable system in / .. make / readonly .. mount (bind-mount) in the boot procees everything really needed07:23
ShadowJKI don't want everything to run off of the emmc.. It's a lagfest already with just swap, gpodder and gpodder data on same emmc :)07:24
cehtehhey even /bin and other root things could be over-mounted .. then you can have a rock solid readonly root wich always works, no matter what the user installs07:24
cehtehanything you run ends in page cache eventually it wont slow it that much down07:25
ShadowJKYou've obviously never actually used it07:25
cehtehand basically with optifying we already do this .. so nothing to loose07:25
ShadowJKYou just need to download a podcast in gpodder and the taskswitcher becomes a 1fps lagfest07:25
cehtehyeah i know07:26
cehtehi dont use gepodder but other workloads generate that here07:26
cehtehbut there is really nothing you can do except having a faster emmc and maybe better filesystem07:26
cehteh(my tests with ext4 almost gave the double speed)07:26
ShadowJKI've been doing some filesystem benchmarks, and the only filesystem with acceptable latency behaviour so far seems to be ubifs and nilfs2. ubifs doesn't work on block devices, and nilfs2 while otherwise awesome, does an enormous amount of writing to the flash...07:27
FIQmaybe a stupid question to ask here, but07:27
cehtehnilfs2 is bad for flash devices .. but can have excellent write performance07:27
ShadowJKAnd by enormous I mean it could probably eat the battery all by itself in a day (compare with the weeklong full idle battery)07:27
FIQwhy use a huge 27GB MyDocs partition and only a 2GB partition to files?07:28
FIQi would prefer swapping them or smth07:28
ShadowJKApparently LogFS is coming to mainline soon, going to test that too then. I've heard good things about it, and the author is very aware of these kinds of issues07:28
cehtehthe 2gb is enough for me07:28
ShadowJKFIQ, basically the MyDocs is vfat so that it works with all operating systems when you plug in the USB cable07:28
crashanddieFIQ: it's a "most common denominator" thing07:29
cehtehmine ist ext3 meanwhile :P07:29
crashanddieFIQ: this device was geared towards a multimedia angle, so having anything less than 20GB available for music and video was pointless really07:29
ShadowJKThe 2 gigabytes was chosen so that the tracker's index of 27GB + 16GB of "average" length mp3 songs could fit on it07:29
cehtehwell ext3 doesnt give performance over vfat (at least not significant)07:29
cehtehShadowJK: heh07:30
crashanddiecehteh: does remove the 4GB limit though07:30
FIQi prefer this for computer experience though07:30
crashanddieHow'd'you think the mob would have reacted had the initial conclusion been "well, yeah, it has 32GB, but really, you can only use 16GB for music"07:30
cehtehcrashanddie: i use it because a lot of other advantages .. permissions, symlinks, no 4gb limit and so on07:30
crashanddiecehteh: sure07:31
cehtehbut ext4 really gave a speed boost too07:31
crashanddiecehteh: then again, how many people will use permissions on a single-user device?07:31
cehtehwell mostly to make a chroot of the sdk on the mmc :)07:31
crashanddiealso, fat enabled them to seamlessly limit the damage of people downloading and executing crap without understanding it07:32
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FIQyou've a point there. :p07:32
FIQ4MB free RAM07:32
cehtehwell .. my argument is that its quite a lot pain when you try to divert from nokias path .. much more pain than you have on a debian system07:33
cehtehand that doesnt really feel right07:33
FIQin symbian, that would be "omg, it's going to reboot soon"07:33
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cehtehof course i am aware that i am responsible by myself for any changes i do .. but nokias thinking/setup throws one a lot unnnecessary bricks in the way07:34
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FIQhm, why does the taskmgr freezes sometimes?07:35
FIQand you'll have to press menu, empty area and again try to switch to an application07:35
ShadowJKext4 vs ext3 on flash from a performance point of view is more of a "catastrophic" to "horrible" "upgrade" ;-)07:36
ponyofdeathhi guys wondering if anyone here has converted his mmc card to ext3 from vfat and if i should just unmount and mkfs.ext3 or are there some tips?07:36
DocScrutinizergo ahead. Won't automount anymore - otherwise works07:38
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: really so i have to manually mount it every reboot?07:39
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: cant just add to fstab07:39
DocScrutinizerfstab is a weird thing on N90007:39
DocScrutinizerit's generated on each boot07:40
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ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: i see so no good way of doing it i guess mounting each time is not that bad07:40
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fwrnando lol07:45
fwrnando"so am I. there's a guy cracked X-plore so that it became a free sw"07:46
pwnguinwhat the hell is xplore?07:47
fwrnandofile manager for symbian devices07:47
* DocScrutinizer facepalms07:48
fwrnandocall me bitter, but I hate end-users that just come to t.m.o just thinking the N900 is the next flagship Nseries07:48
crashanddiefwrnando: bitter07:49
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Vrathahi all!07:50
crashanddieVratha: Hi alone!07:50
fwrnando and the same dude just made the Nth thread about meego on the N90007:50
crashanddiefwrnando: please do report threads with the threads they should be merged in07:50
crashanddiefwrnando: the mods have a lot of work these days, it's hard to stay on top of everything07:51
Vrathaso i think i might have screwed up my n900's maemo install with some things i was doing.  is there a guide to reinstalling the OS somewhere?  i'm having trouble finding it.07:52
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ponyofdeathis there a trick to get the fm transmitter working? I go to media player and set it to a frequency then tune my radio to it but nothing just static.07:56
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sar3thponyofdeath: it worked out-of-the-box for me07:57
crashanddieVratha: really?07:57
crashanddiethresh: don't OHAI in here07:57
ponyofdeathsar3th: yeah nothing not even an faint signal07:58
Vrathawell, i think i finally found the info07:58
crashanddieVratha: finally?07:58
infobotrumour has it, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @, or wget, or ap07:58
infobotwell, flashing is
infobotcrashanddie: bitte07:59
ponyofdeathwhen i use health check i see my fm trans strength is set to 11207:59
crashanddie~no, flash is the same as ~flashing07:59
crashanddie~no flash is the same as flashing07:59
ShadowJKdoes it keep separate factoids per channel?07:59
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infobotokay, crashanddie07:59
crashanddie~no flash is the same as ~flashing08:00
infobotcrashanddie: okay08:00
infobotflash is, like, the same as ~flashing08:00
Vratharather than follow that bullshit, i'll just follow nokia's info08:00
crashanddieVratha: bullshit?08:00
crashanddieVratha: is bullshit?08:00
Vrathayou seem to ask lots of one word questions08:00
crashanddieVratha: you take the fun out of life, don't you?08:01
Vrathaactually, my life is pretty kick ass08:01
ShadowJKcrashanddie, oh just let me discover on his own that NSU doesn't work08:01
crashanddieVratha: you come in here asking for help, after not searching at all, and then moan that the info we give is bullshit?08:01
Vrathaactually, i found the info i needed before you said anything08:02
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Vrathaso it was utterly useless at that point08:02
Vrathaand you have no idea whether i searched or not08:02
Vrathayou are projecting08:02
crashanddieI'm so tempted...08:02
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ml-mobileoh comcast...08:04
FIQthe microB really likes to shutdown itself randomly08:05
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ShadowJKThat's what happens when something crashes ;)08:05
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FIQyes, and microB wins the crash contest for me08:06
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, aw, you shoulda done it.08:06
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: nope, infobot has one global factoid bse08:07
ShadowJKFIQ, for me it sometimes just kinda half breaks08:07
ShadowJKlike, the frontend seems to work, I can scroll around in existing pages, but can't click links or zoom08:07
ShadowJKor maybe the scrolling was also not working in those cases, I forget...08:07
ShadowJKusually happens when I read tmo and open up a new window for each thread I want to read08:08
ShadowJK(since that's faster that tap-wait-read-back-wait-read..08:08
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ponyofdeathis there a way to test that my fm transmitter is functioning?08:09
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, make sure something's playing, the box is checked and you've picked the correct radio station08:10
GeneralAntillesTune to that station on a radio with a decent antenna.08:10
VrathaDocScrutinizer: 1995 called; they want that document back08:10
FIQi don't really know what is so problematic with microb, but it's something08:10
FIQhm, want opera desktop. :<08:10
FIQthey should compile it for arm. :D08:10
ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: all the above checked changed multiple stations too08:10
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GeneralAntillesVratha, you sure have an interesting way of getting people to help you.08:10
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: GeneralAntilles: +108:10
ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: i can use the fm radio player to tune in on fm stations but not the fm transmitter08:11
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, unrelated parts.08:11
DocScrutinizerprobably a /kick would help08:11
Vrathayes, stating my question and stating i'm having trouble finding it is really "crazy insane".  obviously i had been searching "teh googlez" for it08:11
GeneralAntillesFM RX is part of the Bluetooth chipset, FM TX is a separate unit.08:11
Vrathaanyway, it's pointless now, as i found what i needed08:11
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, it's very Windows-esque troubleshooting, but have you restarted?08:12
ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: yes just restarted i even downloaded the fm tx boost script08:12
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GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, hum hum.08:12
Stskeepsmorning GeneralAntilles, DocScrutinizer & tekojo08:12
GeneralAntillesSomebody smarter than me may be able to come up with some sys entries you can poke08:12
DocScrutinizermoinmoin Stskeeps08:13
tekojoMorning Stskeeps, up early!08:13
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, has it ever worked?08:13
crashanddieponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx?08:13
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, and I'm assuming you're in a country where it's not illegal?08:13
ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: no just got my phone recently and trying to get that feature working08:13
ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: yes usa08:13
ponyofdeathchecked nokia's page08:13
crashanddienot in tenessee?08:14
ponyofdeathnope california08:14
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, I'm not sure how fragile the internals are.08:14
GeneralAntillesI suppose it could be possible that the internal antenna is either disconnected or defective08:14
crashanddieponyofdeath: does it actually tell you that it's not transmitting? ie an error when you start up the tx?08:14
GeneralAntillesUm, /my/ next troubleshooting step would be a reflash08:14
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Stskeepstekojo: yeah, it's nice and bright outside now at 708:15
GeneralAntillesHowever that's a bit last resort and somebody else may be able to come up with something more useful.08:15
ponyofdeathcrashanddie: nope no error i see the tx icon in the systray08:15
crashanddieponyofdeath: and how are you "listening" to it?08:15
ShadowJKponyofdeath, have you posted about this to too?08:15
tekojoStskeeps, certainly a benefit of working from home, up early for irc :)08:15
ponyofdeathponyofdeath: i have an reciever at home which i use to tune to the fm freq08:15
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crashanddieponyofdeath: volume is not off?08:16
ponyofdeathShadowJK: no i have not08:16
crashanddieponyofdeath: if it's  any consolation, I've never managed to get it to work either08:16
ShadowJKok. I asked because I think someone else posted with very similar sounding problem08:16
ponyofdeathcrashanddie: i start media player i can hear music then switch to fm transmitter then volume goes down08:16
ponyofdeathShadowJK: not just me then08:17
FIQspeaking about sound problems08:17
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: you're aware you need to set the tx freq in system settings I assume?08:17
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, freq can be set from the Media player.08:17
DocScrutinizeroh, ok08:17
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: it set in media player when u select fm tx as well same settings screen apears08:17
FIQwhen you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for 1s08:18
* DocScrutinizer suggests f,-boost08:18
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FIQs/1s/as long as the profile sound is going/08:18
infobotFIQ meant: when you listen on example yt, and a sound using the profile settings, it seems as the yt volume goes the same as profile one for as long as the profile sound is going08:18
FIQhi replacebot08:19
cehtehponyofdeath: the transmitter reduces output power when you plug a cable in because of regulations08:19
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ponyofdeathcehteh: i am not plugining in any cables08:19
ponyofdeathcehteh: i tune to an freq where i hear just noise08:20
ponyofdeathcehteh: then i set my n900 to that freq and i dont even hear any resemblance of what im playing08:20
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: what receiver setup are you using to listen to the FM-TX, exactly?08:20
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ponyofdeathis there any check i can do that will verify that the fm tx is in working condition08:21
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cehtehthe internal antenna is on pcb iirc  cant become disconnected08:21
FIQlol, microb crashed again08:21
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: and onkyo reciever i can hear other FM stations08:21
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: i also tried in my car08:21
cehtehbut in some countries the transmmitter is completely disabled08:21
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: AIUI that receiver has an external antenna08:21
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: yes its external08:21
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DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: the N900 has to be maybe max 2m away from real antenna08:22
ponyofdeathcehteh: well i should not see the fm tx option then no08:22
cehtehthere is a fmtx faker pachkage.. but maybe thats illegal in your county08:22
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: yeah i have it right next to antena08:22
cehtehdunno  here it is enabled08:22
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cehtehfor me the transmitter works well08:23
ponyofdeathis there a way to check if my fm tx is disabled?08:23
DocScrutinizerfor me as wel08:23
cehtehit has no much range. but sill sufficient08:23
GeneralAntillescehteh, USA.08:23
ponyofdeathwhat freq u use?08:24
cehtehwhatever i like or find free08:24
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cehtehtrying to overpower a radio station doesnt work well .. very limited range then08:26
cehtehnote that the transmitter has some nanowatts of power only08:27
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ponyofdeathcehteh: yeah i understand that thats why i find a freq where i just hear white noise08:28
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ponyofdeathcehteh: yeah kinda mad08:28
cehteheven if you dont play music the transmitter sends silence and some beeps08:28
crashanddieI'm still of two minds of writing a remote-controlled voice modulator08:29
ponyofdeathyeah i hear nothing same noise as before i enabled fm tx08:29
GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, well, if it comes down to reflash and if it still doesn't work get a replacement.08:29
DocScrutinizersome months ago I could create a RF feedback from TX to FM-receiver. Was a nice testing utility. Alas recent FM-receiver obviously disables FM-TX all times08:29
cehtehmhm ... volume changing by the zoom buttons doesnt work here suddenly .. any ideas? (mediaplayer in front)08:29
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ponyofdeathGeneralAntilles: how will a reflash fix this08:30
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GeneralAntillesponyofdeath, dunno, but it may save you having to process an RMA. ;)08:30
cehtehDocScrutinizer: iirc the transmitter uses the receiver to tune in08:30
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ShadowJKI found this frequency waterhole here that's completely free of anything else in a 20-50km radius.. this other day I was listening to music in my car through fmtx when I met a semi, and he had a bigger transmitter than me because the music changed to something ghastly for a second :)08:30
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: you also tried to scan neighbour channels on your onkyo? N900-FM-TX freq might be off08:30
DocScrutinizercehteh: nope08:31
cehtehyeah .. try to look close in the range some difference are comon on different devices08:31
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cehtehponyofdeath: what kind of radio do you use to receive the fmtx?08:32
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DocScrutinizerhe told08:33
* cehteh didnt read backlog08:33
DocScrutinizerseems with wirewhip antenna08:33
cehtehthinking .. is it connected to cable or distant antenna .. ok checked already08:33
FIQi pwns at disconnecting08:34
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FIQthe 3g cover seems bad here (on a train atm)08:34
FIQ...........ok, now microb crashed _again_08:34
FIQdoes i do nasty things to it? : <08:34
cehtehtoggle to 2g08:34
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: to make sure: you don't have a coax cable connected to Onkyo, for antenna?08:34
FIQis 2g able to use internet at all?08:34
FIQanyway, can try next time it d/c's08:34
cehtehFIQ: slow .. but yes08:34
DocScrutinizerthat's called GPRS or EDGE08:34
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: its whatever the fm antena was that it came with i can tune to other fm stations fine so i doubt that is it also it does not work in my car as well08:35
FIQbetter than a really instable network. :p08:35
cehtehenouh for irc, im and mail anyways08:35
FIQgprs.. 2.5g08:35
FIQgsm = 2g08:35
ponyofdeathcehteh: onkyo 60608:35
cehtehmaybe no fun to browse picture laden websites08:35
cehtehponyofdeath: i dont know that, just had the idea that you maybe have it connected to coax08:36
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: we're not talking about your car atm. And I'd seriously ask you to check if you connected an antenna cable to the receiver08:36
FIQit's not good for yt? ;o08:36
cehtehFIQ: stop browsing pr0n on the train08:36
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: ohh i see cuz it does look like a coax plug08:36
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FIQlol cehteh08:36
DocScrutinizera coax cable to next wall outlet for roof antenna or the like08:36
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer yeah the white antena cable is connected08:36
cehtehponyofdeath: unplug that08:37
FIQusing ps3 controller08:37
FIQcould be great for emus08:37
ponyofdeathcehteh: why i cant get any signal then08:37
cehtehor put your n900 next to the antenna .. on the roof or wherever :)08:37
DocScrutinizeryou can NOT use FM-TX next a shielded coax cable, the device needs to be next to ACTUAL antenna which is *on your roof* if you use antenna cable08:38
cehtehponyofdeath: of course .. you have to be close to the antenna .. nearer than 1m, but works for me as far as 5-6m with reasonable quality08:38
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer the antena for the onkyo is not coax its an simple wire08:38
cehtehnote that signal strength decreases exponentially to the distance08:38
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: ok then08:39
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer: i have the phone right next to the antena08:39
cehtehand no other antenna plugged in?08:39
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer: nope just the fm on took the am one out08:39
DocScrutinizerand that antenna is a single ended wire, yes? just ending in the eair some 1.5m away from Onkyo?08:40
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer: yup single wire i put the n900 in varios places around the antena08:40
DocScrutinizerok then08:41
ponyofdeathcehteh, DocScrutinizer: I would think i would hear atleast an faint signal08:41
* cehteh didnt heared about broken transmitters yet .. such a thing is hardly to break since its all inside the bluetooth chip08:41
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DocScrutinizerguess you really got a problem with either your firmware or your hw08:41
DocScrutinizercehteh: nope it isn't08:41
ponyofdeathyou guys really think that a firmware can fix this08:41
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, btw do you have an ID on the battery gauge chip or even a datasheet by now? :-)08:42
cehtehheh we dont know the error .. how should we know the fix?08:42
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: not yet. N900 disassembly still pending ;-)08:42
cehtehlike GeneralAntilles saied .. maybe RMA08:42
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: see, if the firmware does any bad on the tx hw, then it might cause that error08:43
tybolltDocScrutinizer: are you dissassembling yours, seriously?08:43
ponyofdeathcehteh: well im just saying what does the firmware have to do with the fm transmitter08:43
ShadowJKI think the charging chip is known, I didn't realize there was a separate gauge chip too... but in hindsight it should have been obvious as the meter was kinda unsynced from the charging state (I put that down to software)08:43
DocScrutinizertybollt: no, my neighbour does. On his N900 ;-P08:43
tybolltDocScrutinizer: I'd be interested to know, if so, how hard it is to pry off the plastic casing (I'm going to give fixing my HW problem a shot08:43
DocScrutinizertybollt: you know I know I mustn't disassemble not to lose waranty08:43
cehtehponyofdeath: firmware contains the driver and stuff .. dunno exactly how its controlled08:43
cehtehbut it worked for me with the first firmware08:44
cehteh(production firmware)08:44
tybolltDocScrutinizer: everyone knows that... but some don't care >:)08:44
cehtehof course it can be that you have another hardware revision or whatever08:44
DocScrutinizertybollt: that's why my neighbour does that, not me :-P08:44
ponyofdeathcehteh what is ur hardware ver08:44
cehtehHardware: Nokia RX-51 board08:45
cehtehRevision: 210108:45
ponyofdeathcehteh: rx51 as well where do i find the revision08:46
cehtehiirc the only ones i seen in the wild yet .. i hoped for a later one but i dont know how this revision names are relate to production batches08:46
cehtehcat /proc/cpuinfo08:46
tybolltDocScrutinizer: can you interview said neighbourino and enquire as to how hard it is to go about the manouver I described above? :)08:46
DocScrutinizertybollt: sure. I'll even take some photos08:46
ponyofdeathcehteh: haha yeah same one08:47
tybolltDocScrutinizer: oh shit! She a looker?08:47
DocScrutinizertybollt: nevertheless there's a video on youtube08:47
cehtehwell its all skrews, no clamps (maybe a few) and no glue .. i am surprised that this device is actually made for being serviceable and not just replaceable08:47
tybolltDocScrutinizer: yeah... but this was more like... "what's your gutfeeling? Did you feel you were almost breaking the plastics or was there a lot of lee way?"08:48
DocScrutinizertybollt: k, I can do that. I'll report on it08:48
tybolltcehteh: hmm ok08:48
tybolltDocScrutinizer: thanks!08:48
cehtehtybollt: from the disassemble reports i seen so far, its better than most technical gadget crap out there08:48
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer,cehteh what is the best way to back up this thing before re-flash when running linux :)08:49
tybolltfair enough - might give it a go then...08:49
cehtehponyofdeath: rsync? :)08:49
cehtehand git08:49
tybolltponyofdeath: tar? rsync? dump?08:49
cehtehthats what i use at least08:49
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: use backup app08:49
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: don't reflash the eMMC08:49
cehtehrsync device to laptop and git commit some important files08:49
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DocScrutinizer(aka /home)08:50
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: what u mean eMMC08:50
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DocScrutinizerthe chiip/fs where /home and MyDocs live in08:50
tybolltcehteh: git fer backups? Well aren't you the creative feller? :-D08:51
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: the usual rootfs flashing doesn't affect /home08:51
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: ohh cool08:51
cehtehtybollt: config files and so on .. not everything08:51
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: will it wipe out the pkg's i have installed08:51
tybolltcehteh: in fact... git might be real awesome for that... does git do binary storage/handling well?08:51
tybolltah, crap >:)08:52
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: nevertheless do a backup to said /home (or uSD) for saving the few settings from /etc etc08:52
threshwell actually it can08:52
threshtar are pretty much ok08:52
threshtar.{bz2,gz} arent08:52
* tybollt was . o O(pr0n in git - eh?) ;)08:52
cehtehit doesnt even record full metadata as in permissions / user / groups08:52
cehtehbut there are tools for that08:52
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will install all the apps installed via HAM08:52
cehtehwell no need ... i just need the history of certain files i modified08:53
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: ponyofdeath: it will, but restore from backup will re-install all the apps installed via HAM08:53
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ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer, cehteh where does the backup app put the backup ?08:56
cehtehemmc or sd card08:56
cehteh.backups or so08:56
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: then after reflash I suggest you do a test using settings-fm-tx and system tones, rather than immediately restoring and using mediaplayer08:56
DocScrutinizerponyofdeath: you can select  that to a certain degree08:56
DocScrutinizerjust don't worry, it works08:57
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ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: so enable fm-tx from settings and then play system tones?08:58
ponyofdeathso where do i donwload firmware from08:58
DocScrutinizermost generic way, not involving any additional source-of-failure08:58
ponyofdeathcool thanks alot guys08:59
ponyofdeathfor your help i hope i dont have to rma it :(08:59
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ponyofdeathi will miss it too much08:59
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crashanddieremember kids, don't do s/ //g on a 2gb oracle dump09:00
crashanddielol... 12040211 occurences replaced09:01
cehtehcrashanddie: on the n900? :)09:01
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crashanddiecehteh: that too09:02
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DocScrutinizerI humbly doubt09:02
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DocScrutinizerthough *might* work on N900 as well09:03
crashanddieOracle 11g on N90009:03
crashanddieAny DBA's wet dream09:03
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DocScrutinizerI thought you're about to transscript tmo to 733t09:04
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cehtehlong ago :)09:06
crashanddiewhat kind of timestamp is that?09:06
cehtehhehe strange09:07
DocScrutinizerWTF??!! messes up between IMEI and product code :-(( WHAT do they want now?09:07
cehtehi thought thats cigarette breaks since larry ellison sold his first oracle installation09:08
crashanddieok, time to send out weekly report and wrap things up and go home09:08
crashanddieThe good thing about doing your reports on Friday between 5PM and 6PM?09:09
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crashanddieNobody is in the building, so the systems are blisteringly fast09:09
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DocScrutinizermore like AM here09:10
cehteh8:10am to be precise09:10
DocScrutinizerbetween 5 and 6 AM it's quite common there's nobody else in the office09:10
DocScrutinizercehteh: I assumed he did all the packaging for the last 2 hours ;-P09:11
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cehtehDocScrutinizer: what do you think about making the window titles in xchat configureable?09:12
DocScrutinizeractually I wonder which TZ it's 6AM now (Fr)09:12
cehtehhere the channel name is so much left that its not readable ... grr09:12
DocScrutinizercehteh: I acked on the idea quite some days ago iirc09:12
DocScrutinizersame here09:13
cehtehi think i go after it .. this sux09:13
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DocScrutinizercehteh: while you're on it, the tabs could use chan-name aliases as well09:13
cehtehwhat tabs?09:13
khertany tried JRuby and Duby09:13
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DocScrutinizerthe chan tabs09:14
* ShadowJK uses the tree switcher :-/09:14
cehtehwhat do you mean by alias?09:14
cehtehsomething configureable?09:14
DocScrutinizerwith chan names like #openmoko-cdevel it's getting somewhat crowded09:14
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: even then (me too)09:15
ShadowJKI remember something that cut out the middle09:15
cehtehso you want to #openmoko-cdevel   -> mokodev09:15
DocScrutinizercehteh: alias #openmoko-cdevel=omcd09:15
DocScrutinizerin settings09:15
cehtehhum looks a bit complicated for me .. i dont want to invest that much time in it09:15
DocScrutinizeri c09:16
DocScrutinizerjust a suggestion (not even my original idea)09:16
cehtehi just think about some printf style thing for the titles "%c %n"09:16
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cehtehyeah maybe useful but i only want to fix my own itches09:16
cehtehand something which doesnt cost me a day to figure out an code up09:17
cehtehhildonizing xchat, at least some things would be nice too09:17
d14 /w 309:17
cehtehchannel switcher for example09:17
DocScrutinizerincrease hot area of main scrollwindow scrollbar arrows09:18
DocScrutinizerjust the hot area, not the iconsize itself09:19
cehtehi am not gtk programmer dunno if that possible09:19
cehtehand it runs into other widgets anyways ... tiler, channel tabs, text area09:20
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cehtehso that wont be easy09:20
DocScrutinizerme neither, but I'd hope it's simple enough09:20
cehtehnote that i have a left-side tabbar instead bottom09:20
DocScrutinizerme too09:20
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cehtehthe scroll up/down arrows are really broken09:21
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DocScrutinizerat least completely unusable09:22
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cehtehhildonize that area and remove that arrows would be nice09:23
DocScrutinizerthe worst thing is my wertzu kbd doesn't have up/down primary keys :-(09:23
cehtehbut i have no idea how to do that09:23
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crashanddieAh, this announcement is music to my ears09:25
mececrashanddie, which announcement?09:25
DocScrutinizeroracle joins with sqlite?09:26
crashanddie"Attention ladies and gentlemen, this building will be closing in 35 minutes, if you do not have a signed authorisation to remain after hours, please make your way to the exit"09:26
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* DocScrutinizer really puzzled which TZ crashanddie lives in. Mars station?09:27
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: Brisbane, Australia09:27
cehtehDocScrutinizer: downunder?09:27
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DocScrutinizerooh, so they're even another few hours ahead of far east. I see09:27
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cehtehand maybe dst?09:27
DocScrutinizeryeah , prolly that as well09:28
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: NZ is two hours further even09:28
crashanddiefor them it's 7:30PM09:28
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cehtehhehe .. anything is sane exept living in the west of china09:29
cehtehwhole china has peking-time09:29
ShadowJKthat sounds awesome09:29
tybolltcehteh: "Beijing"09:29
DocScrutinizermainland china==underworld09:29
cehtehi bet people in the west hate it09:30
ShadowJKI sometimes wonder about the origins of "peking"09:30
ShadowJKand "japan"09:30
* DocScrutinizer remembers TPE earthquake reports09:30
DocScrutinizerneed to check09:31
crashanddiecehteh: I doubt they care really09:32
crashanddiecehteh: here in Queensland there is no daylight time savings09:32
crashanddieand nobody really cares09:32
crashanddiethey just know sun goes up at that time, and goes down at that time... If you don't know any different, couldn't care less09:33
cehtehyeah i dont like dst either09:33
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DocScrutinizeraah yes. Seems I remember aussies are screwed with their local DST regulations09:33
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tybolltcrashanddie: what is "winter" weather like where you are? Like peak cold of the year?09:33
cehtehbut i think office hours, school times and all are also equal thoughout the country09:33
crashanddietybollt: considering I've been here for two months I'm not the right person to answer that question09:35
tybolltcrashanddie: =)09:35
crashanddieI just had the end of the summer09:35
crashanddieand it's still 26 degrees on average, even though it's been raining quite a bit over the past 2 weeks09:35
crashanddie~weather YBBN09:35
infobotBrisbane Airport M. O, Australia; (YBBN) 27-23S 153-06E 5M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0700 UTC; Dew Point: 69 F (21 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 15 MPH (13 KT)09:35
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tybolltSee it just struck me I know all about how freaking hot it gets in .au, but I never really heard of .au winter.09:36
ptl* sigh *09:36
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DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN09:37
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infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 17 F (-8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.15 in. Hg (1021 hPa); Relative Humidity: 73%; Temperature: 24 F (-4 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (310 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT)09:37
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tybollt~weather ARN09:38
infobotI can't find station code "ARN" (see or for ICAO locations codes).09:38
tybollt(where I am at :S )09:39
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tybollt~weather ESSA09:39
infobotStockholm / Arlanda, Sweden; (ESSA) 59-39N 017-57E 61M; last updated: 2010.03.05 0720 UTC; Dew Point: 5 F (-15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1018 hPa); Relative Humidity: 61%; Temperature: 15 F (-9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (350 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT); Windchill: 3 F (-16 C)09:39
jaska~weather ISS09:40
infobotI can't find station code "ISS" (see or for ICAO locations codes).09:40
jaskaaww :)09:40
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DocScrutinizerICALO are *4* digits09:40
DocScrutinizerletters actually, and ICAO codes09:40
jaskadoubt iss has one09:40
Corsaciss is above all that09:41
jaskathe air pressure and temperature might be a bit off the scale09:41
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DocScrutinizeractually pretty much all values are off or completely meaningless09:42
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Corsacit depends wether the sensors are located inside or outside :)09:43
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DocScrutinizerthere's not even such a thing like temperature, honestly09:43
Corsacsure there is09:43
Corsacit's not /that/ cold just above earth09:44
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DocScrutinizerinside is a constant, hardcoded to ICAO reports server ;-P09:44
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DocScrutinizerCorsac: no air (or any medium for that case) -> no tempeature09:44
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DocScrutinizeryou got a radiation temperature, which is something quite different that the usual meaning of temperature09:46
mecegrr argh libtool is giving me trouble.09:47
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crashanddieit's amazing how many people believe that you would instantly freeze in space -- however if there is nothing that can absorb your heat, then you just "radiate"09:52
crashanddiethat being said, I'd rather not be naked when exposed to the Sun09:52
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marmoutecrashanddie: pressure is a serious issue out there too.09:54
crashanddieno it isn't09:54
crashanddiethe tensile strength of your skin is far greater than the supposed "boiling blood" thing you see in movies09:55
crashanddieyour mouth would be dry and tongue would be sizzling, and if you try to hold your breath your lungs would explose09:55
crashanddiebut other than that, lack of pressure wouldn't kill you09:55
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marmouteI didn't say you would explode. But you lungs and eyes suffer at some extends.09:57
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tybolltBIG question is - will my N900 work?09:58
DocScrutinizerall reports / investigations seem to indicate a safe time of 10..20sec and a concious time up to 1 minute -though with severe injuries to eyes etc09:58
tybolltI mean to make phone calls?09:59
DocScrutinizersurvival time can be as high as 15 minutes09:59
DocScrutinizertybollt: write a sms. Your voice tends to be a little... thin09:59
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: sound needs air to travel - right?10:00
DocScrutinizerand yes, of course N900 will work10:00
DocScrutinizeruntil it gets first massive xray hit10:01
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tybolltsolar flare?10:01
DocScrutinizerI heard Neo Freeruner even been to space :-D10:02
threshDocScrutinizer: it is about 3 degrees above absolute zero in Space, IIRC10:02
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threshradio signals do not require any air10:02
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: astronaut getting pissed off and throwing it into the sun?10:02
DocScrutinizerthresh: that's the radiation temperature of background radiation10:03
threshif you have a base station near your mobile in the space, you will get signal10:03
threshand it will actually work10:03
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: lol. naw it's been an unmanned mission10:03
threshwell it probably be iced in a minute, bust still10:03
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: soory can't find a pointer. Maybe they (ESA) didn't report on it publically.10:09
DocScrutinizerthresh: no it won't10:09
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DocScrutinizerouter space is a perfect dewar "containment"10:10
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threshyeah, like no radio signals can travel there.10:12
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Vrathahi there10:13
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DocScrutinizerthresh:  look at the bold "VACUUM" in the red area10:14
threshouter space is NOT vacuum.10:14
Vrathai've been searching all over the site for this for about an hour: whenever i connect my n900 to my Mac, it keeps telling me there is a new network interface to be setup.  on my last install, i remember having to setup some file in, i think, /etc/udev/rules.d to fix a mac address or something the n900 was using to a specific address10:14
Vrathadoes anyone have the link to that help page?10:14
DocScrutinizeryou think you lunch soup will freeze in a minute when placed into a dewar-flask?10:15
DocScrutinizerthresh: probably a better vacuum than you got in any average quality dewar-flask10:15
LiraNunawhy is flash player on N900 so slow? I doubt the device is not powerful enough10:16
Shrik3the device is not powerful enough10:16
Shrik3flash is slow on a dual quad core mac pro ffs10:16
LiraNunaflash is single threaded so adding mroe cores won't really help10:17
DocScrutinizerflash is BS10:17
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Shrik3if adobe can't even be arsed to thread flash, why would anyone think they would make it run on mobile devices10:18
DocScrutinizerand flash will eat up all your memory, even when you switch the browser to background, after a few hours at max10:18
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Vrathayour battery even, let alone memory10:19
enricoIs there a way to disable the two hands video and nokia tune when the n900 turns on? I'd like the phone to always turn on quietly10:19
Vrathaenrico: if your phone is in silent mode when you turn it off/on, it won't play any sound10:19
DocScrutinizernice way to bring N900 to a grinding halt: start a youtube video - then when playback finished simply switch to another task and "forget" the browser10:20
enricoVratha: is there a way to get rid of it also when it's not in silent mode?10:20
DocScrutinizerenrico: yes, you can replace that video by another one10:20
enricoDocScrutinizer: or remove it maybe... do you know where it is in teh file system?10:21
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DocScrutinizersorry, no10:21
Shrik3put a 5 minute extremely loud porn video in its place10:21
Shrik3sell phone on ebay10:21
Guest71220enrico: comment out filename=... in /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf, you can remove /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/$the_video_file afterwards10:21
enricoGuest71220: thanks10:21
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enricoThe other thing I couldn't find is how to ifup usb0 automatically when I connect usb. udevadm monitor oddly doesn't show events when I plug/unplug usb, although the phone obviously knows10:22
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khertan /join #android10:26
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khertanstupid script10:26
khertanHello all !10:27
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tybolltwhere do I control the volume of the alarm clock?11:02
pupnikis .mp4 a catastrophically slow/heavy video format?11:04
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ShadowJK.mp4 is a container format11:06
tybolltisn't mp4 just the container11:06
tybolltshadowjk beats me to it :P11:07
ShadowJKIt suffers from comittee-designism and is pretty thick and complicated11:07
ShadowJKnot computationally heavy though11:07
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pupnikVIDEO:  [H264]  640x360  24bpp  23.976 fps  330.4 kbps (40.3 kbyte/s)11:08
pupnikn900 mplayer choking on that11:08
ShadowJKh264 :)11:08
rzrdoes it ship a theora plugin ?11:08
pupnikit almost can handle playback when i bypass pulseaudio and go straight to alsa11:08
ShadowJKI was going to say that I would imagine that resolution h264 would be sort of on the limit of what MPlayer can play back11:09
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rasterpupnik: fullscreen?11:09
ShadowJK-vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref11:09
ShadowJKmight just make it cope11:09
pupnikhmm trstin11:09
ShadowJKraster, fullscreen or not would have little impact I think?11:09
rasterShadowJK: technically even drawing with xv means doing a draw - i dont knowif it causes a damage eevent in this case11:10
rasteras xv may use the overlay11:10
ShadowJKit does11:11
rasterif its not usning xv - u are going thru the compositor if not fs11:11
rasterif fs compositor turns off11:11
rasterand compositor adds a lot of overhead - you lose about 30-40% of framerate with it on - just by numbers11:11
ShadowJKWhen you go to the task switcher, the MPlayer "preview" is just a cropped version of the movie, not a scaled down version11:11
rasteri think visibly it actually worse11:11
rasterthats the overlay11:12
ShadowJKwhich I think means that the compositor isn't fucking with it :)11:12
rasterbut the compositor could be using cycles compositing the colorckey thats being redrawn11:12
rasterjust try it in fs and see if its better11:12
rasterfyi - compositor really kills perf :(11:12
pupniki have never seen so many mixer controls as on n900 alsamixer11:13
ShadowJKAnyone who tried it on a normal linux desktop can see that :)11:13
pupnikDudex, i GOT IT!!11:13
tybolltpupnik: interesting - why wasn't one settled for?11:13
ShadowJKhehe, I just picked a random one in alsamixer that was at full, and turned it down to half, and the volume range on the volume slider in the GUI suddenly became alot more relevant for my headphones11:13
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pupnik/media/mmc1/video $ pasuspender -- mplayer -fs -nocache -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0  -vo xv:ck-method=auto -lavdopts fast:skiploopfilter=nonref  -quiet fff-Sheldon-capitalism-versus-free-market.mp411:14
pupnikty ShadowJK11:14
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ShadowJKThis reminds me, I started porting the maemo patches to recent mplayer11:14
ShadowJK(the one in Maemo is from December)11:14
ShadowJKin extras, I mean11:14
crashanddieI think I just posted my longest rant on tmo, yet11:15
pupnikis that good for anything?:)11:15
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Shrik3"you have waaaayyy too much time on your hands to be guarding a thread this much" =)11:20
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crashanddieShrik3: I spent a total of 40 minutes for both posts, he's been at it all day11:21
Shrik3yeah, people like that are weird11:21
Shrik3wikipedia has a crapton of those11:21
Shrik3they just camp in wikipedia and argue about the same issues11:22
Shrik3and usually win just because they're louder than anyone else and have more time11:22
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crashanddie it's like they have revert on a shortcut11:22
crashanddieget an email "Someone edit[REVERTED11:22
crashanddie"but you didn't even read the changes I made, I was correcting a typo[REVERTED COMMENTS PAGE: {REASON: SPAM}]11:23
crashanddieI'd like to takeover wikipedia11:23
crashanddiewell, #wikipedia11:23
crashanddieand just +m11:24
khertancrashanddie: damn ! no thx button11:24
crashanddiethe whole channel, and the topic would be changed to "Welcome to #wikipedia. The place initially created to talk and share information, but just like, this is now impossible due to stupid rules"11:24
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crashanddiekhertan: read the other one a few pages before as well11:25
khertancrashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.orh11:25
khertancrashanddie: this a bit the same for everything.maemo.org11:25
khertanneed thx for the previous one too11:27
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* ShadowJK stares at the userContent.css that adflashblock-css dragged in11:34
ShadowJKI wonder if this could be used to fix the minimalist light theme11:34
JaffaMorning, all11:35
redcrashanddie: interesting thread11:36
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mecehey hey has anyone tested joikuspot?11:38
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Shrik3on an N900, no?11:40
Shrik3on symbian, yes11:40
meceok.. how is it on symbian?11:40
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Lumpio-The version I got is somewhat unstable11:42
Lumpio-Somewhat unstable as in it randomly reboots and/or errors after about 10 minutes of use11:42
Lumpio-On N900 thatis11:42
Lumpio-But it's still totally beta, so no high expectations11:42
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mecenod. Seems like a very cool app11:44
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pupnikwhat is this crap which keeps swapping out its redirector for the real link i want to share12:04
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`0660i'm sure they provide a valuable service :)12:05
pupnika new trick to swap in adverts12:06
crashanddieA Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than 10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy.12:07
Stskeepsthat said, if he did it without accidents, maybe he needs a exam proof12:07
crashanddieThe pilot, whose name was not disclosed, was said to have expressed relief when confronted and taken off his pilot's stripes.12:08
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crashanddie"OH GUYS, I'm so glad you finally caught me! I've been doing this for 13 years and everytime I thought I was going to die!!!!"12:08
crashanddie"The terrorists, they told me to do it! They killed the pilot and then I had to fly! I NEVER STOPPED!"12:08
* rzr is looking for an astronaut diploma template12:09
crashanddiebtw, there's some nice reporting for ya... "The pilot had been flying for 13 years" -- that's an aweful long time.12:09
crashanddieI'd like to know what plain was used ;)12:09
infobotcrashanddie meant: I'd like to know what plane was used ;)12:10
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rzrhe's got a slow plane , that's what it took that long12:10
crashanddieI don't know what to get for dinner12:10
cehtehnah a fast plane, they didnt managed to caught him12:10
crashanddiepizza, meh. McDonalds? Meh.12:11
crashanddierzr: I live in a hotel12:11
rzrno problem , when someone can fake a diploma, got some imagination12:11
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rzrgot a bathtub ? got some meat12:12
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: that's old news12:12
timeless_mbpi even buzz'd it yesterday12:12
crashanddieshower-smoked bacon12:12
crashanddierzr: if I stayed a bit longer, I could plant bacteria in a bit of water, then wait for it to evolve into a new kind of fish!12:13
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crashanddiehomemade fish!12:13
cehtehsushi :)12:13
crashanddiedid sushi yesterday12:14
cehtehhow about italian today?12:14
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crashanddieyeah, I'll probably order a pizza or lasagna12:14
tybolltthe pilot in question was actually an educated pilot - he just didn't renew his license12:14
tybolltcehteh: linguini...12:14
cehtehtybollt: why not? bad eyes, alkoholic?12:15
red< crashanddie> A Swedish pilot with a fake commercial license was arrested in his cockpit at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport as he prepared to fly 101 passengers on a Boeing 737 to Turkey, the 41 year-old Swede, who was at the helm of a jet bound for Ankara, had been flying for 13 years and logged more than  10,000 flight hours using forged documents for airlines in Belgium, Britain and Italy.12:15
redI bet that guy knew how to fly a lot better than most rookies :)12:15
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cehtehwell if he didnt renewed his license and faked some documents it must have some reason12:17
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pupnikand yet he demonstrated an ability to fly competently12:18
cehtehyes .. so why didnt he renewed it? .. could be andthing, drug addic, illness, ... but possible which made him scrared that it wont be renewed12:21
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Wolfiewasn't he licensed to fly only light planes, so it wasn't a matter of just renewing it, but taking all new courses for heavier planes?12:21
cehtehi dont judge about all rules they have to comply too may be reasonable .. but still, i dont want to tell that he is some kind of hero against the system12:21
anotnache only ever had a license to fly small planes so even if he was licensed still he would not qualify to fly passenger planes12:22
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Wolfieperhaps he was self-certified by playing a lot of Flight Simulator X? :)12:22
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anotnache got is training from that flight sim thing in extras12:24
pupnikwhat is the sim called?12:25
anotnacnot sure i remember seeing something though a while back12:26
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redWhere has the "thank" button disappeared? =)12:28
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ollinshello, is there a way to synchronize my n900 with kde's kontact?12:35
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FIQi'm not a xterm pro12:39
FIQbut.. what's the cmd for changing color+bg? :p12:40
cehtehmenu font selection has 2 gray buttons for that12:42
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Wizzupwpa_supplicant works @ n900 :) eduroam finally12:46
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khertan_pffff two bugs need to be enter in the bugs tracker ...13:10
khertan_but pfff not motivated to do it13:11
khertan_anyway ... it ll be not fixed ...13:11
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mgedminkhertan_, what bugs?13:13
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hrw|n900~curse maemo5 gallery app devs13:21
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo5 gallery app devs !13:21
hrw|n900photo can be set as avatar for contact. it allows to select area even... but where from it gets pic orientation?13:22
hrw|n900I opened photo, rotated it, saved, selected as avatar. now contacts shows rotated pic instead of proper :(13:23
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khertan_mgedmin: all bugs that are in :
khertan_now i can count 813:31
khertan_but anyway ... wontfix as we will switch to meego13:32
hrw|n900bug #9413 anyone?13:33
povbotBug avatar set by Images app has wrong orientation13:33
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hrw|n900khertan_: all maemo5 bugs are officially 'features' and WONTFIX by default13:34
hrw|n900thats my feeling13:34
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Khertanmgedmin: vectormine 1.0.6-1 is available in extras-devel but didn't see it13:40
mecehrw|n900, pic orientation is a general problem with sharing photos too..13:40
Khertanmgedmin: has wrong icon13:40
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CorsacKhertan: btw did you fix your mailto: link for bugtracker field?13:46
CorsacKhertan: my two packages have the same problem so… :)13:47
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meceok so apparently I'm suffering from underlinked libraries13:50
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KhertanCorsac: yes13:54
Khertanand in the same time ... i ll fix also my other problem13:54
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Khertani ll put my own bugtracker on my website13:54
Khertanand also create my own repository13:54
Khertanless dependant ... more free13:54
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jukeysounds like a great "solution"13:57
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crashanddieKhertan: please, don't13:58
jukeyOnce upon a time when I used my N800 for the first time I had to reflash it nearly every week because there where tons of repositorys more or less working13:58
jukeythat was not really better13:59
crashanddieand I'm sure Khertan remembers that time13:59
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Khertancrashanddie: oh oh ... i ll14:03
Khertanor i didn't publish anything more for maemo ...14:03
crashanddieyou're not stupid enough to take such a decision14:04
crashanddieeven though you're french and everything14:04
Khertanit s seems that14:05
Khertani m doing things by hobby14:05
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Khertanat this time ... it s no more a hobby ... pass more time to package repackage due to change rule14:05
Khertanpost bug  ... wait14:05
Khertanrepost package14:06
Khertanthan to dev14:06
Khertankeep things for me only14:06
Khertanor take the decision to found an easier way to publish them14:06
Khertanmake my own repository is the better14:06
rmrfchikat last, i've grabbed new n90014:07
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crashanddieKhertan: you're one of our most active developers14:08
crashanddieKhertan: we'd be idiots not to listen to you in terms of procedure14:08
cehtehKhertan: how about my suggestion .. just release source (maybe your own git or svn) and let someone else do the packaging14:09
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crashanddieKhertan: cehteh has a point14:13
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pupnikwould a meta-repo installer be possible?  or too inherently buggy and full of conflicts?14:16
zashpupnik: explain14:17
pupnikseeing as a number of folks just give up and create their own repos14:17
pupnikwildcat repos :)14:18
pupniki have seen at least 3 for n90014:18
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pupnikmaybe a gronmayer indexer is the best way to help ppl find stuff14:19
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cehtehor just make another rsync, completely untrusted repo where anyone can put stuff without any rules (and give a big warning to users)14:22
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cehtehno rules, nothing .. just anarchy .. may the strongest survive or so :P14:23
tybolltthat's a nice product plan!!14:23
tybolltlet the most knowledgable hacker win!14:23
cehtehwell i am a bit serious, you can either have maemo org somewhar regulated plans and rules to get something officially in14:24
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cehtehor you do something on your own .. but then everyone having his own 3 package repository everywhere on the web wont scale14:25
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cehtehjust make this a real community thing, simple round-robin dns and anyone who wants can contribute with server space14:25
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DocScrutinizermoin cehteh14:32
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cehtehheh .. ausgeschlafen or what?14:33
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DocScrutinizersince 9h14:33
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tybolltmmmh schlafen ja14:36
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tybolltmorgen morgen nur nicht HEUTE... etc ;)14:36
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Venomrushany ideas of ETA of PR1.2?14:42
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crashanddieVenomrush: three moons after the lord has risen14:42
FIQshouldn't it came lastt feb?14:42
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FIQthough someone said iy14:43
Flyserthree moons? damn ... I hope he rises soon14:43
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cehtehnokia makes no announcments .. anything are unqualified rumors14:43
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FIQhi anyway14:44
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crashanddieFIQ: link or it didn't happen14:45
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FIQi don't wna14:46
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FIQwant to dig in planet maemo atm. :)14:46
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fzfq3mhi, I know this is irrelevant: But, Is it possible to add more emoticons(Smileys) to N900 conversations??14:46
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* n00bmonkey waves14:46
FIQhm, was it a netsplit before?14:46
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n00bmonkeyoo anothe netsplit? :D14:47
FIQantinetsplit ftw14:48
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n00bmonkeyhey hrw14:49
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n00bmonkeyoh he lef tlol14:49
hrwsorry for joinflood14:49
n00bmonkeyand back lols14:50
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n00bmonkeyw000p another split14:50
FIQthere was "some" before you too14:50
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n00bmonkeysurfing the splits today :D14:51
hrwVenomrush: speaking of bug #9413 - orientation of avatar pictures or on disk pictures is stored wrong? as you confirmed bug and changed title...14:52
povbotBug Photo orientation not saved once assigned as an avatar for a contact14:52
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Venomrushdisk pictures14:54
Venomrushif you follow the steps, you'll be able to reproduce14:54
Venomrushusing photos taken with N900 camera14:54
hrwVenomrush: I reported bug14:54
hrwVenomrush: and I used non-n900 photos14:54
Venomrushright I used N900's photos14:54
Venomrush*photos taken with N90014:55
n00bmonkeyhmmm the link in the irc room title doesnt go anywhere? or just me14:55
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n00bmonkeyignore me :)14:55
n00bmonkeyhad a space at the end14:55
FIQyou can ask isitjustme too14:56
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tybolltFIQ: the men in white coats in the mental asylum tells me "IT IS JUST YOU!" every day :(14:56
n00bmonkeyi work in mental health lol14:57
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tybolltI had a girlfriend who did that14:57
n00bmonkeyand the men in white cots are not the people to fear..... it's the ki8tchen staff.....14:57
tybollt"Shut up or I'll inject risperdal into you!"14:57
tybolltshe used to say :)14:57
* lcuk glances at Venomrush 14:57
tybolltn00bmonkey: you know risperdal?14:57
n00bmonkeyshut up or i'll inject mass produced rice pudding into you... not wure which i fear most ;)14:57
* n00bmonkey glances at lcuk glancing at venomrush... lol14:58
tybolltn00bmonkey: rice pudding? Isat what they call uh... "tapioca"?14:58
n00bmonkeylol - erm could be :)14:58
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n00bmonkeywikipedia says no :)
n00bmonkeydamn that lcuk is talented14:59
n00bmonkeyits an anti-psychotic drug isn't it? much like rice pudding14:59
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tybollt n00b15:01
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n00bmonkeyi was right :)15:01
tybolltI was actually surprised to learn from her that the most of their patients had checked themselves in15:03
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aepis it possible to prevent a specific number from calling?15:10
aepsomeone apparantly has no clue what "this is the wrong number, even the wrong country" means.15:10
Shrik3swear louder =)15:10
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lcukVenomrush, ping15:13
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mtdanyone know if there's a pocketsphinx deb for the n900/fremantle?  All I could find on google was lardman's reference to some 770 binaries.15:18
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lcukandre__, ping15:26
Jaffahrw: ping15:26
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andre__lcuk, png15:27
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hrwJaffa: pong15:28
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Jaffahrw: 0.7.6 of Catorise in -devel should fix your "uninitialized variable" issue.15:29
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hrwcool, thx15:29
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mtdFlandry_: did you make a pocketsphinx .deb for ?15:32
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DocScrutinizeraep: "to WHOM? Peter?? Peter is totally mad on you, and asked me to tell you he'll bet you up all the way down main road next time he meets you" ;-D15:36
DocScrutinizerbeat even15:37
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aepPeter doesnt sound like a viatnamese name15:37
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pupnikcatorise is wonderful15:38
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: can it customize your menus? or is it also fixed sorting related to HAM categories?15:39
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Jaffapupnik: Thanks15:40
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: categories.  works for me15:41
JaffaDocScrutinizer: You mean can *you* customise your menu further than the assignment based on fd.o categories and package section? Yes, edit /opt/catorise/menu and run /opt/catorise/catorise as root. Creating new categories would be more involved and would involve source changes and additional .directory files in /opt/catorise/share/15:41
DocScrutinizernah, the categories in repos are somewhat braindamaged15:41
DocScrutinizerJaffa: thanks :-)15:42
JaffaWell, the solution to that is to try and get the categories in the repos fixed; either an app is miscategorised or the categories themselves need changing. Given a user finds them through HAM or through those categories there's benefit in getting them right15:42
DocScrutinizercalculator is "office", HP42 is "learning&knowledge" - for an example15:43
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DocScrutinizer~all well?15:44
JaffaDocScrutinizer: So file bugs against those packages. If you mean the built-in calculator, file a bug against Catorise's allocation of the built-in apps.15:44
Clearwhat is this15:44
Clearwhat is this place15:44
Clearwhat is this place15:44
DocScrutinizer/kick Clear15:45
DocScrutinizeroh, no spambot?15:45
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* cehteh considers to remove catorize again too .. no much win15:46
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pupnikargh mypaint is a cpu hawg... :(15:47
DocScrutinizerJaffa: It's hard to tell if builtin calculator should go to learning, or HP42 should belong to office rather15:47
cehtehtried 'mymenu' which was equally unhelpful15:47
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cehtehi just put the apps i regulary use on the desktop .. done15:47
DocScrutinizercehteh: mymenu here as well, as I thought it'd better with that15:47
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cehtehyeah, i cant really tell which one is better, both are in some way akward15:48
cehtehcatorize has at least a 'all apps' button where you find the stuff for sure15:49
cehtehand i often end up using that15:49
cehtehso i can deinstall it instead15:49
rmrfchikcan't identify a connector inside box, it's small wire with miniusb on one side and small box on other..15:49
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cehtehcharger adapter15:50
DocScrutinizerwith no manual or specs anywhere :-/15:51
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cehtehyou can plug certain older nokia chargers into it, the adapter aligns the electrons and give them good karma for the n90015:51
cehtehDocScrutinizer: there is a 'charging spec' you know .. its horrible15:51
crashanddiermrfchik: microusb15:51
rmrfchikah, good.15:52
rmrfchikand I have usb-host <-> microusb wire..15:52
DocScrutinizercehteh: I'd be more interested in the allowable voltage range on this adapter's input15:52
rmrfchikbut no usb connector to PC15:53
rmrfchikahh.. my fault15:53
cehtehDocScrutinizer: should be anything which is speced by nokia for 2.5mm chargers?15:53
rmrfchikit's connector to usb ;)15:53
cehtehi dont know really .. but this charging spec is overly complicated15:53
DocScrutinizercehteh: that's what you'd guess15:53
cehtehi decided that its easier to build your own charging addapter than using this thing15:54
crashanddiecehteh: i guess anything is complicated when you have the IQ of an oyster15:54
cehtehusb charging is quite open and simple specified ..15:54
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cehtehcrashanddie: did you read the nokia specs?15:55
crashanddiecehteh: why on earth would I do that?15:55
rmrfchikis there way to use usbnet? I just plugged n900 to my linux box, but can't see settings for usbnet in network manager15:55
cehtehrmrfchik: with some tricks yes .. search the wiki for usb PAN15:55
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* cehteh didnt got it working either yet :P15:56
rmrfchikdoh... old good n810 has this. or it also was a hack? long days15:57
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crashanddiermrfchik: everything on n810 was a hack15:57
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DocScrutinizerthat's why it worked so flawlessly :-P15:58
rmrfchikNo pages were found containing "usb"15:58
rmrfchikcrashanddie: :)15:58
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rmrfchikEnable RD Mode?16:01
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tybolltrmrfchik: where on that page does it say that?16:01
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timeless_mbpyou shouldn't need to enable rd mode16:05
timeless_mbpin fact, you should never enable rd mode16:05
ShadowJKit makes the keyboard flash :D16:06
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rmrfchiktybollt: on search results16:07
pupnikwheres ali123416:07
rmrfchiktimeless_mbp: I want to gainroot to ifup usb016:07
RST38hShadowJK: AFAIK you need no r&d mode for that16:07
tybolltrmrfchik: then install the rootfs package16:07
tybolltrmrfchik: then you can gainroot w/out enabling RD mode16:08
rmrfchikto install I need access network16:08
rmrfchikto access network, i need install16:08
rmrfchikcatch 2216:08
tybolltway catch22 :)16:09
ShadowJKI guess yours isn't "online as it happens" :)16:09
tybolltrmrfchik: you can put the .deb on your memory card and install it locally16:09
rmrfchiki think I can16:10
rmrfchikgood idea16:10
ShadowJKtybollt, well you need root to dpkg -i ;-)16:10
tybolltShadowJK: red pill mode?16:10
rmrfchikapp manager should have abitily16:10
ShadowJKtybollt, if he has ancient firmware, yeah16:10
tybolltI suppose that's the assumption =)16:11
JaffaDocScrutinizer: The examples we (i.e. the community) came up with for the sections suggests calculators should all be in "Utilities" - - but my "Utilities" category is already getting quick large16:11
rmrfchik2.2009.51-1 here16:11
ShadowJKhm :-)16:11
tybolltanyway I have to admit I found that "you have to enable RD mode to break your device" pretty rude :)16:12
tybolltThen again, rude is probably how the general Swede would describe a general finn ;-P16:13
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ShadowJKif you have an internet connection you can start breaking it right away :-)16:14
rmrfchikapp manager can't install :(16:14
* RST38h suggests sending submiliminal messages to N900 users16:16
RST38h[in large red LEDs] ...BREAK YOUR DEVICE...BREAK YOUR DEVICE...16:16
tybollt7msg RST38h My credit card number is:16:17
RST38hyessss, my precioussss16:17
tybolltoh not THAT kidn of subliminal messages? :)16:17
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crashanddie4958 4491 0442 192216:17
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* n00bmonkey had a lovely lunch :)16:17
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rmrfchikcan I set personal ring to account?16:17
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libbenIm about to transfer 10 gb of mp3s to my n900. now i dont see any music folder when i hook it with the cable. Any pointers?16:18
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crashanddielibben: 0xe39819a1928316:19
pillar_crashanddie: :D16:19
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92AAABJ08libben: it searches the entire drive for media files, so it doesn't make much difference where you put them16:19
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libbenso i just place it in a new folder and it will scan it ?16:19
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tybolltlibben: right16:20
libbenor do i need to hack any cfg and adding that folder?16:20
libbengood then16:20
tybolltjust put the shitz in a folder16:20
tybolltdevice is scanned16:20
tybollt-> WIN16:20
tybolltlibben will go \o/ all night16:20
crashanddielibben: have you tried *creating* the folder?16:20
rmrfchiko_O seems like Extras repo doesn't work.16:20
rmrfchik /dists/fremantle/free was not found on this server.16:21
libbencrashanddie: nope, i was stunned over that i couldent see any music folder, cause i remember the phone came with sample musics16:21
rmrfchikagain my fault.. fixing ;)16:21
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rmrfchikis it safe to upgrade with "apt-get upgrade"?16:38
RST38hGod no...16:39
RST38hNot N900 anyway16:39
threshwas for me16:39
MohammadAGto upgrade the system no, apps s16:39
threshworked for me16:39
MohammadAGRST38h, apt-get dist-upgrade kills it16:40
MohammadAGapt-get upgrade works16:40
MohammadAGto upgrade the system no, apps yes*16:40
rmrfchikok.. will wait till I get to home with WiFi16:40
MohammadAGi like how i got hacked through freenode16:41
* thresh has successfully upgraded via usb cable16:41
MohammadAGwent to my PC and found it downloading a .bat file16:41
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KhertanSomeone can confirm me that :16:42
KhertanCatalog name : Khertan Repository16:42
KhertanWeb address :
KhertanDistribution :16:42
KhertanComponents : user16:42
Khertanis working ?16:42
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RST38hMohammad: still scary =)16:42
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rmrfchikthresh: upgrade or dist-upgrade?16:43
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n00bmonkeyKhertan: testing now16:44
n00bmonkeychecking for el-updato's16:45
crashanddiedamn i'm so fucking bored16:46
n00bmonkeyKhertan: No errors :)16:46
pupnikyou guys want to ask to add a section for n900 repos?16:46
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RST38hpupnik: PackRat!16:46
pupnikwould help people find stuff16:47
MohammadAGKhertan, working here too16:47
RST38hpupnik: (if it sitll works)16:47
n00bmonkeyKhertan:  Yup, can see pypackager etc in your repo16:47
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pupnikoh cool! ty RST38h16:47
RST38hpupnik: And notice that it also works in MicroB. Perfectly.16:48
pupnikRST38h: is there a syntax to search substrings?16:49
RST38hpupnik: naaah, just enter a possibly partial name of a package16:49
Khertann00bmonkey: thx16:49
RST38hit searches descriptions too16:49
pupnike.g. "*kobo*"16:49
RST38hpupnik: type "kobo"16:49
RST38hit will figure16:49
Milo-anyone here know if you can mock a call from some phone number to your phone number?16:49
n00bmonkeyno probs :) - can test a download if needed, but dont wanna screw up my py2deb lol - oh btw, need your help on that 1 lol16:49
pupnikhmm kobodeluxe and kobo returned nada16:49
n00bmonkeyMilo-: fake call?16:50
RST38hpupnik: Looks like rm_you has not fixed the updates16:50
Milo-n00bmonkey yes16:50
RST38hpupnik: Either email him and ask to fix, or ask him for the source code and maintain the trakcer yourself16:50
n00bmonkeyMilo-:  no idea, but interesting idea :)16:50
Milo-to test certain system16:50
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n00bmonkeyi'm assuming it should be possible though?16:50
RST38hpupnik: I would maintain it but I have no proper host to install it on16:50
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Khertanqole have this own repository too ?16:50
Milo-n00bmonkey for example call forwarding system written in test driven development mannerä16:50
n00bmonkeyKhertan: That script you gave me yesterday, not run it yet as i need to add my files and remove yours - changed the rest n got it rady to go :)16:51
n00bmonkeywill try tonight :D16:51
Khertann00bmonkey: maybe i give you the wrong script16:51
n00bmonkeylol - on my work pc at the moment, it looked like my normal build file, but was filled out for your pyGTKeditor16:52
RST38hArctic Ocean seabed is leaking methane16:52
n00bmonkeyso assumed i just needed to change it all to match mine16:52
cehtehRST38h: do you have the maemo xchat in git somewhere? .. or maybe svn?16:52
RST38hOh yes, I love those loopback natural conditions =)16:52
RST38hcehteh: No, but you can get sources from the Extras16:52
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cehtehits just shrimps farting :)16:52
Khertann00bmonkey: ok i ve paste in pastebin my script instead of your modified script16:52
cehtehRST38h: yes i did already .. but i would be more comfortable with a git16:53
Khertann00bmonkey: can you send me again your script ?16:53
cehtehRST38h: going to add the customizeable titles sometime next, in this case it will stay default and one has to configure it when he wants to change anything16:53
n00bmonkeyahhh can do but will have to later... it's on my home lappy still open... n900 access at work is hard lol!16:54
cehtehconsidering it push that upstream too then16:54
RST38hcehteh: Why? There are very few people working on it (well, myself and nobody else at the moment, although qwerty and mgedmin have prveiously done their parts)16:54
RST38hcehteh: Ok16:54
rmrfchikso, what about dedicated contact ring?16:54
RST38hcehteh: While you are at it, see if you can make the main view finger-scrollable16:54
cehtehRST38h: even for my single person stuff i feel better with git16:54
RST38hcehteh: Make changes, send me the patch16:55
mgedmincaveman ;)16:55
cehtehRST38h: certainly not .. i aim for low hanging fruit and i am not gui programmer16:55
mgedmingit would be nice, I suppose16:55
RST38hGross overkill unless a lot of people would like to work on it16:55
cehtehi would like some hildonizing too .. but it would take me ages to do that, too much to read and learn16:55
MohammadAGRST38h, if the main view had kinetic scrolling how would one c&p?16:55
cehtehgit is absolutely no overkill ..16:56
cehtehMohammadAG: right16:56
cehtehi opt for channel and user list finger scrollable16:56
Khertann00bmonkey: send me an email at khertan@khertan/net :)16:56
RST38huser list is kinda useless on N90016:57
mgedminMohammadAG, I like how xterm does that: toolbar button to toggle scrolling versus text selection16:57
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RST38hchannel list I have move to the bottom, no reason to scroll it there16:57
mgedminuser list could be a popup with a scrollable hildon thingy16:57
RST38hthe original use for the user lis was to see who is on the channel16:57
cehtehRST38h: when i work on anything which is even slightly more complicated than changing a few lines or has a even dim chance of me revisiting it someday later i usually git it first16:57
* mgedmin wishes somebody sat down and redesigned a Linux IRC client from scratch, because xchat is kinda ... eh16:57
RST38hso, popup is illogical there :)16:57
RST38hcehteh: I do not16:58
* RST38h is old fashioned16:58
cehtehmgedmin: yeah .. well .. irssi was started with that motivation16:58
RST38hcehteh: and what have we ended up with? another eleet irc client16:58
mgedminredesign for the 21st century, not the 19th!16:58
MohammadAGxchat isn't old16:58
RST38hcehteh: full of pointless cruft16:58
cehtehwell .. if (no i dont do) would start an irc client it would be quite different16:59
RST38hcehteh: (yes, I am still using ircii)16:59
n00bmonkeyKhertan: Thank you very much will email you tonight - will pastebin your file and my file so you can see both :D16:59
cehtehpulling all stuff in and then dispatch it on more flexible rules instead just channels16:59
MohammadAGRST38h, is the inability to paste more than one line going to be fixed?16:59
cehtehMohammadAG: i hope not :)16:59
RST38hMohammad: Dunno, but judging from the way xchat works, no17:00
MohammadAGit's my only problem with xchat atm (other than the notification banner but i killed it)17:00
RST38hNotification banner I will kill next time, sorry17:00
MohammadAGcehteh, and why's that17:00
cehtehheh i can coppy and paste multiple lines on my laptop in xchat17:00
RST38hDiscussed it with cehteh who persuaded me "it would be ok", but he was obviously wrong on this one :)17:00
cehtehbut well .. that leads to noobs flooding channels17:00
cehtehso better dont fix it, its a feature :)17:00
MohammadAGRST38h, a small pop down notification would've been better17:00
MohammadAGlike the bt set on one17:01
RST38hMohammad: All I can do is disable it17:01
MohammadAGlol cehteh17:01
MohammadAGso you're not the one who made the plugin?17:01
cehtehRST38h: you just need to explain people how to configure it .. there is a .xchat2/maemo_notify.conf17:01
RST38hMohammad: cehteh did17:01
cehtehMohammadAG: yes i did .. in a simple pragmatic way17:01
pupnikis there some way autobuilder could debianize a package with a simple makefile?17:02
RST38hcehteh: I am not goin' to explain to every freaking tmo poster how to configure your plugin :)17:02
cehtehanyone who doesnt like the way it works can just use the source and extend it :)17:02
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RST38hcehteh: Better disable this particular mode by default and let 'em figure it out  :)17:02
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MohammadAGcehteh, you could add a line after it loads that there's a .donf file17:02
cehtehRST38h: well yes .. i put some defines for defaults at the front ok? .. or do you change it in the source17:02
RST38hcehteh: Of course I will change the defines17:02
* RST38h is a gentleman17:03
cehtehRST38h: actually i can do that already for you ... :)17:03
RST38hcehteh: I would prefer if you changed the notification dialogs to use messgaing-style bubbles instead17:03
RST38hcehteh: then disabling them would be unnecessary17:03
cehtehRST38h: the first version was more meant as proof of concept and i intentionally left it a bit nagging to stirr interest17:03
MohammadAGcehteh, don't seem to have the conf file in .xchat217:04
cehtehRST38h: yeah but i dont know how and i am to lazy for it .. but anyone who likes can add that with a 'n' mode for notifications17:04
cehtehMohammadAG: you can create it17:04
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RST38hcehteh: Ok, ok I will google for them and you add them17:04
cehtehNOTIFY_MODE +lbv-d17:05
cehtehled, banners, vibration on,   dialogs off17:05
cehtehDIALOG_THROTTLE 2 180017:05
cehtehallow 2 dialogs in half an hours17:05
RST38hcehteh: Please, change them to notifications. That's all17:06
sar3thhow do i run something as root in scratchbox?17:06
cehtehRST38h: i dont know how and i am too lazy .. and also i like it this way17:06
cehtehbut i would like if someone else extends it using notifications17:07
cehtehsar3th: fakeroot is recommended17:07
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RST38hthen disabled it gets, by default of course17:07
sar3thcehteh: so i just need to run fakeroot make install?17:07
cehtehRST38h: thats acceptable17:08
cehtehsar3th: dunno, just trya17:08
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* MohammadAG takes a look at the .c file and tries to change the notification type to a org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint one17:10
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RST38hWeird, looks like the notification bubble API is not open17:10
RST38hHave to ask konttori about it17:10
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RST38hMohammad: What is really needed is the same type of bubble Messaging uses (little, jumps up, then goes away without requiring acknowledgment)17:11
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MohammadAGRST38h, i have that17:13
MohammadAGit's already in xchat17:13
RST38hMohammad: Where?17:13
MohammadAGenable tray balloon17:14
MohammadAGin preferences17:14
RST38hMohammad: Ah!17:14
MohammadAGpops up, shows the message, goes away17:14
* RST38h finds something new every day =)17:14
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MohammadAGit's why i disabled this plugin17:14
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MohammadAGi get two notifications17:14
MohammadAGvibration gets handled by the 'audio playing' program17:15
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RST38hMohammad: Ok, cool, got it. The icon is broken though, will fix it for the next release17:16
pupnikcheck out the crazy amount of controls in n900 alsamixer17:16
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RST38hMohammad: I will fix the icon, enable it by default, and disable dialog notifications in the next release17:17
MohammadAGwonderful :)17:17
djcastondoes anyone know whats up with meego on the n900?17:18
MohammadAGdjcaston, it's entirely possible if nokia want to allow it17:18
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Veggen...and probably it'll be simple enough to do that there will at least be a community version.17:19
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djcastoni was reading something a few days ago and i think it said that they would be testing it soon on the n90017:19
cehtehRST38h: when is the release due? .. i dont know how fast i do the title stuff, but i would like to get that in17:19
MohammadAGoh they're enabling the meego repo17:19
Corsacgood catch17:20
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djcastonso the progs are gonna be availible but not the os17:20
MohammadAGRST38h, do you do schedueled releases?17:20
Corsacthought it's empty17:20
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* n00bmonkey has alot of numpties calling him up today....17:26
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: ping17:27
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: you found the GAIA register descriptionn somewhere? the TI ds seems missing that unimportant detail17:29
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* pupnik got one more customer for n90017:32
* mgedmin900 too17:32
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RST38hRST38bis: test17:35
RST38hRST38bis: test17:36
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RST38hseems to17:36
cehtehhehe .. i didnt tested it :P17:36
* n00bmonkey blinks17:36
cehteh(except compile test ...)17:37
RST38hcehteh: Oh I am testing the default functionality17:38
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cehtehah hehe :) .. well17:38
RST38hcehteh: It does look like our dialog notifications are not really needed, but the default stuff still requires some fixing17:38
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* RST38h sets balloon alerts on by default17:38
cehtehbtw the private notification is kindof noisy .. dunno if you want to turn it off too17:38
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cehtehwhere are the balloon alerts from?17:39
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* mgedmin900 demands finger scroll17:39
* n00bmonkey scrolls down mgedmin900's finger.....17:39
mgedmin900btw, was xchat finally promoted to extras17:40
* mgedmin900 got an email saying promotion unlocked17:40
RST38hand please shoot that guy who thumbs down everything without a "proper" bug reporting URL17:40
RST38hmgedmin: I promoted it just now17:41
* n00bmonkey pats RST38h on the back17:41
n00bmonkeyi agree17:41
RST38hmgedmin: If you feel like wasting an hour or two, check why enabling spellcheck crashes xchat config dialog17:41
cehtehhaha .. this QA is really no fun17:41
RST38hmgedmin: (i.e. you enable it at compile time, xchat works afterwards, but OKing config dialog crashes it)17:41
* mgedmin900 will try to fit this in some time in the next 5 years :(17:42
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n00bmonkeyRST38h: see here for more thumbs downing :( -
RST38hmgedmin: Well, it is not going to be a project of your lifetime, more like tracing a few functions, possibly with gdb17:42
n00bmonkeyand quite a rude tester :( - ok, i want the politest either... lol but was rather miffed17:42
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Guest80146hi, everyone. how to make a binary file executable in maemo?17:42
Guest80146seems like chmod+ ..?17:43
koala_manchmod +x file17:43
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Shapeshifternot that I care that much, but are they possibly going to make skxpe support the front cam anytime in the soonish? or more like never17:43
cehtehMyDocs is noexec iirc17:43
RST38hn00b: Your .deb has a Maintainer field, your changes file has your email address. So, this whole XSBC-Maemo-shit thing is kinda nice-tohave but pointless17:43
crashanddieGuest80146: move it to a ext3 partition, the fat32 partition is mounted as noexec17:43
n00bmonkeyRST38h: twas a bug with py2deb - khertan is helping me fix it :(17:43
n00bmonkeybut i'd made the effot to post a link in the package details :(17:44
RST38hmgedmin: I even found where it crashes: as you OK settings, it tries attaching speel checker to the input widget - and dies17:44
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crashanddieI want BoWs to die17:49
crashanddieevery single one of them17:49
Guest80146alright, and anybody knows how to install opencv libary and header files to n900?17:50
crashanddieBachelor of Wikipedia17:50
KhertanBoWs ?17:50
crashanddiepeople who read two webpages and become experst17:50
Khertanah arf ...17:50
n00bmonkeynoidea what you are on about... but kill one for me........17:50
n00bmonkeyahhhhhh gotcha17:50
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infobotcrashanddie meant: people who read two webpages and become experts17:50
n00bmonkeybit like googlnicians?17:50
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Khertanwiki the things where i never help ... Just because the syntax is painfull !17:51
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crashanddiePeople saying "Non-profits almost always make a profit" makes me cry17:51
Khertancrashanddie: why ?17:51
* n00bmonkey works for the NHS, don't start me on non profit lol17:51
Khertanprofit can be something else than money17:52
crashanddieNo, non-profits have a revenue, and have a taxation aim that makes them strive towards having a revenue which is roughly the same as the operating costs17:52
Khertanexperiences for example17:52
Khertanok didn't understand :)17:52
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crashanddieKhertan: profits == profits, revenue == chiffre d'affaire17:53
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crashanddieeuh, profits == benefice17:53
n00bmonkeybrb smoke break17:53
Khertanbut this was the previous "means" of your previous sentence that i didn't understand well17:54
Khertanno i can clearly understand what it s make you furious17:54
Khertanyep ... sense the word i was looking for17:54
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crashanddieKhertan: still giving interviews about maemo?17:55
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uhsfit's interesting to read that meego will officially support the n900 so we can upgrade when it's ready17:59
RST38hRST38x: hello sweetie17:59
mgedmin900waaaah no finger scroll in xchat17:59
mgedmin900and no kinetic scroll in pdf viewer17:59
RST38hmgedmin: I am afraid this will take a bit longer to add than tracing that spellcheck crash :)17:59
RST38hmgedmin: XChat uses custom GTK+ widget for the main view, good luck with that ;)18:00
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uhsfis there a petition somewhere to make pressure on nokia to make them change the name meego to keep maemo instead or something else? let's start a petition18:00
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Corsacuhsf: source for the n900/meego support??18:01
Corsacuhsf: petition would be useless18:01
mgedmin900doesn't it use a GtkScrollWindow or whatever it's called?18:01
RST38hmgedmin: Not sure, check18:01
RST38hmgedmin: But again, be aware that you may end up sinking lots of time18:01
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RST38hmgedmin: Btw, you asked about something along the lines of Bujold?18:02
infobotCorsac meant: thanks18:02
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: seems we seen same type of crash on pref save some 3 months ago?18:03
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mgedmin900wat did just happen?18:03
mgedmin900I pressed ctrl-i in xchat18:03
mgedmin900expecting tab completion18:04
mgedmin900got a new window instead18:04
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mgedmin900RST38h, I have a couple of tech books to read and review now18:04
RST38hmgedmin: Shift+Space or Ctrl+Space18:05
RST38hmgedmin: will autocomplete18:05
RST38hmgedmin: ok, you are not getting that book ref then :)18:05
RST38hDocScrut: Correct. Faheem compiled XChat with spellcheck enabled. It crashed.18:05
mgedmin900I must have an old version18:06
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RST38hDocScrut: When I started looking into the issue, I found that spellcheck was the cause and disabled it. Did not have enough time to investigate deeper. But you can always do so yourself at the cost of about 2 hours of time. Once you fix it, send me the patch, etc18:06
DocScrutinizer51aah regression then18:06
RST38hDocScrut: Of course, it will be properly attributed in changes18:06
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RST38hDocScrut: It *is* possible that Maemo5 Gtk+ input widget is the problem.18:07
RST38hDoes not let attach callbacks, the way spellchecker would like to attach18:07
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mgedmin900any maemo5 apps have spell checking?18:09
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RST38hno idea, why?18:11
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mgedmin900just thinking about that bug18:11
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RST38hmgedmin: Oh, it is a very specific bug, I do not think other apps apply here18:13
RST38hLemme find the call that crashes...18:13
RST38hactually it may be possible to enable ispeel (I disabled libsexy guilty of the above crash)18:14
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mtdis there a way to change the behaviour/parameters of the kinetic scrolling?  E.g., in Photos with ~700 photos the kinetic scrolling takes way too long to stop scrolling.18:14
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RST38h#ifdef USE_LIBSEXY18:14
RST38h        sexy_spell_entry_set_checked ((SexySpellEntry *)gui->input_box,18:14
RST38h prefs.gui_input_spell);18:14
RST38hmgedmin: here you have it18:15
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lcukis maemo extras down?18:17
* lcuk is trying to grab rootsh18:17
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* n00bmonkey thinks it is working18:20
* n00bmonkey tries again, yup..... :|18:21
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: please add "It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."18:22
crashanddieto the topic18:22
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: seem to remember I seen spellcheck/autocompletion working when xchat had the savepref-crash18:23
DocScrutinizer51actually I'm almost sure18:24
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DocScrutinizer51though I disabled it systemwide after a few days of useless annoyance18:25
RST38hDocScrut: Well there are two choices, ispeel and libsexy18:25
RST38hDocScrut: Ah, I know what you mean18:25
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RST38hDocScrut: it is not spellcheck, it is autocompletion, and it is done at the HIM level. Very annoying too18:25
DocScrutinizer51ahh  ok, my error18:26
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* DocScrutinizer51 pulled out the stylus first time for maybe a month. cold fingers :-/18:27
DocScrutinizer51xchat scrollarrows are really a PITA18:27
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cehtehforget it .. just doesnt work (okish)18:28
cehtehthe zoom buttons scroll throgh channels .. unfortunally it doesnt scroll the list with it18:29
* mgedmin900 didn't know18:30
DocScrutinizer51seems someone mapped shift-volrocker to scrolling. even more fingerbreaking fun18:30
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RST38hcehteh: Scrolling main view with zoom buttons should be easy to do18:31
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RST38hAnyone else wants me to do this?18:31
mgedmin900you made my xchat crash!18:31
cehtehRST38h: we talking about channel switcher18:31
mgedmin900sig11 from bashing shift-vol keys18:31
RST38hcehteh: Yes, but switching channels is easy with your fingers, just touch a tab at the bottom18:31
cehtehmgedmin: mine too18:32
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RST38hSo, those zoom buttons can be well assigned to the main view scroll18:32
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cehtehRST38h: i have way more channels open than fit on the screen18:32
RST38hmgedmin: could you do me a bit of favor?18:32
RST38hcehteh: Open two xchats :)18:32
mgedmin900not right now, sorry18:32
mgedmin900gotta go drive across town18:32
RST38hcehteh: Ok, could you do me a little favor?18:33
DocScrutinizer51duh, haha! No, shift-leftrocker kills xchat here (older version)18:33
cehtehno :) ... well i can spend you a beer when you do it yourself :P18:33
* RST38h sighs18:33
dreginhow do I go about switching my N900 from UK to world so I can get the latest firmware?18:33
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* cehteh busy 18:33
RST38hNo xchat fixes for either of you then, punks =)18:33
cehtehwell what? ..18:33
dreginonly on 2.2009.51 atm :\18:33
* RST38h wanted someone to summarize the above discussion in a few lines and email it to him18:33
* RST38h has to go do some chores18:34
RST38h(but still wants to know what to fix in the next xchat release)18:34
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mgedmin900irclogs are online18:34
cehtehyou may notice that i drop out of the discussuin here for some 15-30 minutes .. thats when i am really dont look and working .. its not that i grab popcorn and watch the channel :P18:34
DocScrutinizer51hmm, considering how seldom I use them to switch channels... maybe defaulting to scrolling is a better decision actually18:34
* mgedmin900 missed half of the discussion thanks to xchat crashes anyway18:34
cehtehDocScrutinizer: having the channel switcher hildonized would be great .. but i can live without it18:35
mgedmin900RST38h, I think I owe you a beer for all the xchat fixing18:35
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cehtehRST38h: i try to provide the title fix (eh improvement) .. but depends on how fast i am and how slow you are, possibly next within the next days18:36
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cehtehnext week i am probably rather busy and then on the Chemnitzer Linux Tage on weekend18:37
cehtehso prolly leaves only tomorrow or sunday mhm, sounds unlikely i make it in the next 1-2 weeks18:37
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DocScrutinizer51cehteh: I still got space left over for another 4,,5 chan, so I don't care about hildonizing chanswitcher18:39
* cehteh uses the laptop mostly anyways .. n900 only when chatting from the toilet :P18:40
RST38hthanks for sharing =)18:41
RST38hBTW, this bring up a question of why you needed that notification plugin to begin with...18:41
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pupnikbreakpoint demo party in bingen in april 2-5
jaskatoilet seat twitter integration?18:42
cehtehok .. using it when not at the laptop .. there are other cases too :)18:43
DocScrutinizer51RST38h: rotfl18:43
cehtehi dont use twitter or any other IM, only irc .. so thats the way to reach me18:43
cehtehpupnik: thats the last breakpoint or?18:44
cehtehme was never there18:44
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* DocScrutinizer51 appreciates IRC has no video option :-P18:45
* cehteh too :)18:45
cehtehmhm prolly i should tape the frontcam .. you never know :)18:46
DocScrutinizer51though actually I'd appreciate a HW(!)fcoupled privacy light for frontcam even more18:47
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: not to scare you with my thoughts18:47
DocScrutinizer51cehteh: hehe same thought same time18:48
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cehtehhw-coupled has some problems .. how do you verify that it is *really* hw coupled?18:48
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cehteheven as electronics engineer you wont have an easy job to verify that without doubt18:49
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DocScrutinizer51well, by driving it (the cam) via assembler code and watch the light go on/of - first aproximation18:49
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RST38hAnyone knows what NET USB is?18:49
cehtehbut who knows .. maybe all shelf tape is translucent to some hidden frequency band in the visible spectrum which the frontcam pics up best18:50
DocScrutinizer51that's for sure not without any doubt18:50
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cehtehRST38h: usb over ethernet iirc18:50
RST38hHow do I enable it in Windoze?18:50
RST38h(or Linsux)18:50
cehtehdunno ..18:50
DocScrutinizer51but good enough to proove if Nokia completely cheeted18:50
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DocScrutinizer51probably I'l retrofit such lED myself18:51
* cehteh thinks tape is simpler18:51
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RST38hFuck, why haven't they simply implemented an FTP server? :(((18:52
* n00bmonkey thinks about heading home........18:52
cehtehand well .. the frontcam is so worse .. you cant really recognize anything18:52
n00bmonkeydunno, front cam is ok, but only in good lighting18:52
cehtehRST38h: or samba18:52
DocScrutinizer51got a bag of wired SMT LED at home, will check what can be done when I rip the thing tonight :-P18:52
jo-erlendrst38h:.easy to use in ubuntu, anyway. linux doesn't say much18:53
RST38hjo: how? how???18:53
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cehteh.. so now i go to the kitchen an make a tea .. and not to toilet .. just to tell, you wont notice otherwise :P18:53
jo-erlendrst...:.there are guides.18:53
cehtehthats where i use the n900 too :P18:53
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RST38hok, thank you.18:55
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cehtehyeah irc is the better microtwitter18:58
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pupnikRST38h: exidy sorceror emulator  time for a N900 port :P18:58
dreginis it possible to change the N900's region code?18:59
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wazd_e63Heya maemo19:00
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DocScrutinizer51hooray!!! checked schematics thinking bou dualusing green-charging-led-driver transistor -- when I opened taskswitcher to jump back here (xchat) it froze for 4 minutes19:01
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jo-erlendhow do I get tab on N900?19:02
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pupnikdregin: you can change language, time zone, date format19:02
pupnikctrl+i jo-erlend19:03
DocScrutinizer51ahh no ping needed19:03
dreginpupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware. I want to change my region so I can get it :)19:03
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dreginI remember using NSS to do it with symbian phones - I was hoping there was something similar for maemo.19:03
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DocScrutinizer51so let's o same fun again :-D19:03
jo-erlendpupnik: sure?19:03
pupnikpr1.2 is out??19:03
pupnikworks hre in term19:04
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DocScrutinizer51V1303 charging LED driver (red)19:04
DocScrutinizer51perfect candidate19:05
DocScrutinizer51resistor to frontcam VDD - done19:06
DocScrutinizer51maybe a diode too19:06
wazd_e63Rst38h: around? Will you make it to 2nd ru-maemo party?)19:07
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RST38hwazd: When?19:11
RST38hpupnik: 1.2 out? where? when? =)19:11
* RST38h promptly salivates19:11
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pupnik18:03 < dregin> pupnik: UK region haven't been given the latest firmware.19:13
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pupnikhard to believe19:13
wazd_e63Rst38h: well, march 27 I guess19:14
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RST38hwazd: right after FRUHT?19:14
wazd_e63Rst38h: that FRUCT stuff19:14
wazd_e63Rst38h: yep19:14
RST38hwazd: Of course. BTW, ab is gonna be there too19:14
wazd_e63rst38h: cool, Dik is comming :)19:15
RST38hMicrosoft phone:
wazd_e63Rst38h: Godzilla will also be there :D19:15
RST38hNo, really... They made it even worse than the "Fresh Feces" Zune variety19:15
lcukwazd_e63, where you reading the release from19:16
RST38hwazd: Definitely need Eldar Murtazin to complete the picture19:16
wazd_e63rst38h: he's too affraid of me :)19:16
RST38hwazd: But, lacking that, we can teach Godzilla to switch into R&D mode, maybe he can brick his device faster with that19:16
wazd_e63Lcuk: release of what? :)19:16
cehtehtmo is down?19:17
RST38hok, I am out, chores.19:17
RST38hmoo, ab19:17
wazd_e63Ab: heya19:17
abme out too19:18
lcukthe party19:18
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wazd_e63Lcuk: well, local forums n stuff19:18
wazd_e63Lcuk: it's not oficcial19:18
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CorsacRST38h: that looks like a fisher-price freerunner :)19:19
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lcukwazd_e63, this looks bare without any russians
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lovelyboyhai, how to find the file directory in device?19:26
tripzerothe file manager?19:28
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tripzeroor maybe xterm?19:28
lovelyboyin x term19:28
tripzeroman find19:28
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lovelyboyjust another question, how can i port certain library and install it on the device?19:31
lovelyboyi want to use opencv on the device, n900, but got no idea how to install it on the device19:33
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murianianyone here have experience running glorious Maemo on the beagleboard?19:39
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murianiI've been following the omappedia wiki, with general success until I get to
Ian--anybody knows if there is a way to restart the phone/connectivity demon if there is something of the sort?19:41
murianihm, never mind, I think that did it.19:41
Ian--i sometimes get disconnected and the phone doesn't notice this19:41
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Ian--and i have to reboot to connect again19:41
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n00bmonk3yblonking hell19:52
n00bmonk3yanyone here with a new N900 fancy testing an extras devel app? want to test something :)19:52
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arachnistn00bmonk3y: n900fly? ;)19:53
n00bmonk3ynaaa, the healthcheck :) - got it to read the N900 board revision number, want to see if we all have the same hardware model, or if they have started new revisions :D19:53
n00bmonk3ybut i do like fly :D19:54
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n00bmonk3ymy revision is 2101 (RX-51 main)19:54
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GeneralAntillesRetail should all be the same.19:56
GeneralAntillesSome protos are different.19:56
joppuIs generating tarballs disabled on or what?19:56
n00bmonk3yyeah thought so, but worth double checking :D19:56
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: like swaping blue and red on indicator LED? ;-D19:58
GeneralAntillesDo they?19:59
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* GeneralAntilles 's HW revision is 2001.19:59
DocScrutinizerdriver source says the did19:59
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DocScrutinizermight have been green, not blue. Would match better with a red/green blind EE  XP20:01
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n00bmonk3yKhertan : sent you the email, thanks in advance for any help when you get some time :D - very much appreciated20:05
Arif_ohai thar20:06
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: maybe it's heritage from N810 even20:07
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles:  31 #ifdef LED_CONNECTED_WRONG20:08
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n00bmonk3ylol @ Spam on toast20:11
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DocScrutinizeridiot script kiddies never run short on time to try nonsense20:11
pupnikand use a consistent bannable user id20:11
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DocScrutinizerLOL on that20:11
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ljpcould be a scriptoldfartie20:13
ljpbunch of bored old men sitting around a retirement home20:14
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DocScrutinizerlorn, it's a bunch of retired trolls ;-P20:17
ljpcould be20:18
Shapeshifterbtw. Are there some QA guidelines for stuff in extras-devel? Or is extras-devel seriously devel and is allowed to contain apps that contain lots of bugs?20:18
Shapeshifterbecause I wrote something (Alarmed), it's in extras-devel now, but it crashes often (reproducably) and has some other bugs, which are all due to problems in pyside or pymaemo, or Qt in PR1.1.20:19
ShapeshifterIt's usable and does what it's supposed to (pretty much) but it crashes often.20:19
ShapeshifterIt shouldn't do any damage to things, though.20:19
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: seems you perfectly fit in there, among the other buggy crap20:20
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N900evilbut its crashes may alarm people?20:20
DocScrutinizerN900evil: that's why it's called alarmed20:21
DocScrutinizerN900evil: you got register specs for gaia somewhere?20:22
N900evilthere are links to the ds from the hw page20:22
Shapeshifter hooray. Happy crashing everyone :)20:22
DocScrutinizerboth sheets I dl'd are without register specs for all I've seen20:22
N900eviltwl4030 has no ds, but there is a seemingly identgicaal  par with20:23
N900evilnot read in detail. I think it was around 222 pages20:23
DocScrutinizerfrom "a short scan shows the I2C adresses match" I conclude somebody seen those reg specs20:23
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LiraNunaShapeshifter: looks interesting20:24
mgedminShapeshifter, preferably apps in extras-devel shouldn't have bugs that brick your N90020:25
Shapeshiftermgedmin: it wont20:25
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mgedminbut regular crashes are not a blocker, I think20:25
Shapeshiftermgedmin: that's just a scary warning20:25
mgedminbest mention that in the description20:25
Shapeshiftermgedmin: sure did.20:25
mgedminEXPERIMENTAL EARLY VERSION MIGHT CRASH or something like that20:25
Shapeshiftermgedmin: WILL CRASH FOR SURE20:26
mgedminwell, if it crashes right on startup, what's the point of uploading?20:26
mgedminif it crashes when the user does X, then "MIGHT" is correct, because the user might not do X ;)20:27
wolfiRhi, is there a way to analyze/log n900's sip client? I've got a strange issue and would be interested in the sip communication20:27
Shapeshiftermgedmin: no it doesn't crash on startup. It works fine. It works allright. But if you do one thing 3 times, it will crash20:27
mgedmincall it an easter egg ;)20:27
N900evilDocScrutinizer, I looked at ds and kernel defines20:27
Shapeshiftermgedmin: well that's right ;)20:27
DocScrutinizeraah right, kernel defines20:27
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N900evilor i2c /sys I forget20:28
pillarShapeshifter: looks nice, a feature request: sending scheduled sms/emails20:29
DocScrutinizerN900evil: I just wonder how to enable the VBUS chargepump20:29
Shapeshifterpillar: will add it to list. can look into it.20:29
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pillarShapeshifter: cool, thanks - looks really nice20:29
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ShapeshifterDoes someone get what "pdu_array" is in this python code example for sending sms?
Shapeshifter(first code block)20:37
ShapeshifterI don't really get where the message is... must be pdu_array. But what should be in that "array". Python doesn't even have "arrays"20:38
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GeneralAntillesSeriously? Freemantle?20:44
GeneralAntillesSomebody should kick their asses.20:44
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pupnikGeneralAntilles: when they made that N900 advdertisement with the interview room, were you the guy who went apeshit and turned into a robot: :)20:49
pupniki thought that captured us so well :)20:50
lcukportal 2 on its way20:50
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zzzoidi'm installing maemo scratchbox20:50
zzzoidi'm trying to run it and it's telling me to add user to group sbox20:51
DocScrutinizerFreemantle (Southampton), or Brian Freemantle (1936) britischer Autor20:51
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zzzoidso i ran usermod -aG sbox user20:51
zzzoidbut then groups doesnt show sbox20:52
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DocScrutinizervs Fremantle, Australien20:53
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pupnikhow about opening the group file directly zzzoid20:54
ponyofdeathhi, guys the update tablet firmware instructions for linux are not really clear do i have the device off? open a term su root but still use sudo?
pupnikunit is off, plug in, turn on20:55
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pupnikflasher is run as root20:55
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ponyofdeathgot it thanks pupnik20:55
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DocScrutinizeriirc even start flasher then plug in powered down device - should start automatically by plugin event20:56
pupnikoh hmm20:56
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ponyofdeathso power device down > plug usb cable in > start flasher > turn on device20:57
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DocScrutinizernope swap plug with start-flasher20:58
DocScrutinizerif that doesn't work, try it your way :-D20:58
DocScrutinizerholding "U" while plugging in might help as well21:00
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: well it started flashing so21:00
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: powered device down > started flasher > pluged in cable21:00
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ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: hope this fixes my fm tx issue :)21:01
ponyofdeathi go this firmware image RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_00221:01
zzzoidi'm trying to install the sdk and i'm getting errors21:01
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DocScrutinizerhope so as well21:01
ponyofdeathDocScrutinizer: RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin21:01
zzzoidScratchbox command 'sb-conf setup' returned error 0.21:01
b0unc3hey guys, anybody know howto create a custom keyboard shorcut ?21:02
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zzzoidcan anyone here help with the installation of scratchbox?21:06
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ponyofdeathwhat is OS 2009 version vs PR 1.1.1 versions ?21:12
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GeneralAntillesOS2009 isn't a thing21:13
GeneralAntillesIt's Maemo 521:13
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lcukponyofdeath, the 2009 updates were prior to 1.1.121:14
GeneralAntillesThe version string in they use is
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GeneralAntillesSo, 3.2010.2-8 is release 3, 8th build from week 2 of 2010.21:15
Arif_there's a new app in Ovi store21:15
Lumpio-No way21:15
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Arif_looks cool actually...21:16
Lumpio-They finally added another app to it?21:16
Lumpio-So now there's two?21:16
Arif_its one app21:16
Lumpio-lol the screenshot is totally S6021:16
Arif_and one DRM'd podcast you can't use21:16
Lumpio-I mean in the entire store21:16
Arif_yeah I'm talking about the store21:16
Arif_one app, one DRM'd audio file that the N900 can't play :D21:16
GeneralAntillesWhat the hell kind of use is a 3-star rating system?21:17
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GeneralAntillesOvi Store people are all idiots.21:17
Arif_those ratings are all in weird languages :(21:17
Lumpio-How the hell can they botch up a mobile app store thing that badly21:17
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Arif_I have the feeling they're TRYING to screw it up21:18
GeneralAntillesLumpio-, because it's Nokia.21:18
Arif_I need new earphones21:18
Lumpio-They make decent hardware though21:18
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GeneralAntillesAs far as I can tell, half the company is incompetent and the other half doesn't care.21:19
GeneralAntillesThe 1% that aren't either just get constantly overruled by the rest.21:19
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GeneralAntilles29 hearts for the Maemo Freaks article on MeeGo?21:29
javispedrostandards are decaying...21:29
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RST38hGeneral: Bloggers, sir21:33
RST38hGeneral: Very good illustration of the process:
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, what a bizarre metaphor.21:35
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RST38hGeneral: Ah, just think of it and it will become more and more evident21:36
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GeneralAntillesRST38h, the old woman must be Peter, then?21:39
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RST38hGeneral: See, you are getting it =)21:40
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javispedrosource for some icd2 modules21:41 is full of surprises21:41
pupnikwhat is icd2 for?21:43
javispedrothe internet connectivy daemon21:43
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pupnik"Old woman!"  'Man.'  "What?"   'Im not a woman'21:44
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Arif_anyone ever used a pair of soundmagic PL50s?21:48
zashjavispedro: like nm?21:49
javispedrozash: yes, like nm, or connman. used in maemo.21:49
javispedroclosed source.21:50
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t_s_ohmm, that new tinymail looks interesting, but whats the chance of it showing up on diablo?22:35
GeneralAntillesSlim to none?22:35
GeneralAntillesUnless somebody from the community gets to hacking.22:35
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Stskeepsthe CSSU is actually going forward quite nicely22:38
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Hoxzersucks that maemo is not compitable with later OSses22:38
ptlhow do I know my telephone number on the N900?22:39
t_s_oglad to hear that Stskeeps22:39
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ptlHoxzer: maemo is linux, compatible with lots of other OSes, just not on the binary level - no one is22:39
mgedminptl, call your other phone?22:40
mgedminor call a friend who's sitting next to you22:41
* mgedmin wonders if the phone's own number is stored in the SIM card or not22:41
Hoxzerptl: well, surely diablo has older libaries when compared to the maemo. So it's not source compitable22:41
mgedminI don't think I've ever seen a cellphone that would know its own number22:41
mgedminsome have a menu item that lets you tell it its number22:41
ptlmgedmin: from the N900 menus22:42
ptlmgedmin: my two previous phones did that22:42
ptlSymbian S90 and Windows Mobile22:42
ptlMaemo must do it too.22:42
FIQlol, the feature exists on lots of phones22:44
FIQeven my first one, nokia 3510i22:44
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mgedminmy 6600 slide doesn't have it22:45
fralsthink you can get it from dbus or smth from
mgedminor I don't know where to look22:46
fralsbut your sim card might not have it set afaik22:46
FIQyou really should learn it anyway. ;)22:47
hrwmgedmin: my se k750i had it22:48
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RST38hmoo all22:49
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FIQdoes someone knows about the charger's quality?22:55
FIQmine seems to start failing22:55
FIQand i have had my device 2 weeks22:55
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FIQit works, but you need to have it excactly in a special way22:56
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MohammadAG_<ptl> how do I know my telephone number on the N900?22:58
GeneralAntillesFIQ, sounds more like you're USB port is coming lose than the charger's failure.22:59
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AntiXpucThi there!22:59
MohammadAG_call someone then store it in my info22:59
FIQer, wut?22:59
MohammadAG_FIQ, in short,
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AntiXpucTi've found, that it is libqt4-maemo5-* (Qt-4.6.2) packages available in repos. But some "out-of-the-box" and some of ovi software depends on "old" libqt4-* (Qt-4.5.3) packages.23:02
AntiXpucTis it any way to have only latest (maemo5-*) version, but don't uninstall this software?23:03
fralsguys what is the "role title" for working for a moving company? trying to translate my cv to english :p23:03
FIQhm, maybe could be that23:04
AntiXpucTthis is list list: ( as-config-applet-0 as-daemon-0 camel-as-provider-0 libas-storage-0 mp-fremantle-generic-pr offscr-electric-beams offscr-level offscr-pocket-calculator offscr-resistors offscr-seismometer psi-plus tickstill)23:04
microlithfrals: what did you do?23:04
fralsmove other peoples stuff23:04
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FIQi can try use my car charger and see if it fails too23:04
infobotFIQ meant: i can try use my car charger and see if it semifails too23:04
microlithfrals: oh so actually moving things, hmm23:04
Stskeepsjebba: ping23:05
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fralsno takers on job title for "moving things for a moving company" for a cv? :D23:07
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pwnguinman, i really need to write a script to auto authenticate with our campus wifi23:09
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joppuStskeeps: downloading source tarballs disabled on gitorious?23:15
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Stskeepsjoppu: hmm, shouldn't be23:16
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villagerfrals: mover?23:20
fralssounds so simple :D23:20
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joppuStskeeps: Yeah, seem server-wide, just gives a "Temporary disabled" error message23:23
fralsanyway thanks villager im going with that :)23:24
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lcukjoppu, htey were down for sched maint yesterday for  a little bit, its possibly related23:25
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GAN900frals, yeah, we call those movers in the US23:28
jebbapong Stskeeps23:28
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Stskeepsjebba: nm, i found your fbcon kernel23:29
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jebbaStskeeps: let me know how it works for you. The previous ones for me were stable, but that latest one was resetting quite often. It was also the first one (IIRC) that i did in the FREMANTLE_ARMEL scratchbox not in FREMANTLE_KERNEL, fwiw.23:30
Stskeepsjebba: let's just say it worked for my needs :)23:30
jebbacool good.23:30
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swc|666jebba, where you ever able to get 2.6.32 running (without making your n900 *smoke*) ?23:35
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jebbano. There's no touchscreen driver after 2.6.2923:36
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Stskeepstouchscreen is easy to get back in23:36
swc|666yea i read that.. anything else "known" to be missing?23:36
Stskeepsthe problem is actually the LCD panel23:36
jebbatsc2005.c is what i'm thinking. There are likely others.23:37
Stskeepsjebba: tsc2005 exists as a patch and is easy to patch in, at least :P23:37
* swc|666 throws a fireball @ nokia23:37
jebbaStskeeps: it could be patched in ok to latest kernel? I hadnt tried. Anything else you know of that's needed?23:38
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Stskeepsjebba: LCD panel is a bit of a downer23:38
StskeepsACX565AKM or something isn't there23:38
Stskeepsit exists as a patch but doesn't fit with newer dss223:39
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jebbaAh, well ya, that's likely needed too  ;)23:39
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Stskeepsit gets to be a rather boring experience without23:39
Stskeepsbut the blind might be able to use the device23:40
jebbawould get really good at haptic devel  :)23:40
SpeedEvilOr composite out.23:40
Stskeepsthat's DSS2 too23:40
RST38hHeya Sts23:40
Stskeepslo RST38h23:41
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RST38hShit, latest pidgin plugin still does not support ICQ well =(23:44
* RST38h looks for nix23:44
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t-tanhey jebba, how much of the .28 Nokia patches did you port to the .32 kernel when you tried it? or did you use stock .32?23:52
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