IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-02-26

ShadowJK	for battery saving reasons :)	00:00
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SpeedEvil	thoughts?	00:00
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lupine_85	us cable has the excuse that docsis 2 gets in the way; everyone else is stalling	00:00
SpeedEvil	user has a password set	00:00
DocScrutinizer	dassu: interesting. Any tips?	00:00
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ShadowJK	SpeedEvil, ssh is picky about ownership and permissions on ~/.ssh and the contents	00:00
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: not it	00:00
lupine_85	yum, good hotel food	00:00
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SpeedEvil	perms 600, owned by user,users	00:01
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SpeedEvil	perm of .ssh is 700 - same as /root/.ssh	00:01
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: check .ssh and aithkey for 600	00:01
DocScrutinizer	authorized keys as well	00:01
DocScrutinizer	also check owner	00:02
dassu	DocScrutinizer: it is in the testing but you need to install it through cmdline	00:02
DocScrutinizer	dassu: thanks	00:02
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SpeedEvil	perms are as in http://pastebin.ca/1810831 - which look identical to me between root and user	00:03
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: no idea :-/	00:06
Arif_	oh	00:07
Arif_	Nokia is coming out with another DVBH phone	00:07
Arif_	.......who the hell uses DVBH?	00:07
SpeedEvil	odd.	00:09
SpeedEvil	sshd is opening - the identical - ~/.ssh/authorised_keys - files - in each case - user and root - and demanding password for user	00:09
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DocScrutinizer	drwx------ 2 user users 4096 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh	00:10
DocScrutinizer	-rw------- 1 user users 1115 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys	00:10
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DocScrutinizer	works here	00:10
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: you have a password for user?	00:11
t-tan	SpeedEvil: did you replace the "user:!" with * in /etc/passwd?	00:11
t-tan	lupine_85: install the kernel-flasher-maemo from extras-devel	00:12
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer yes	00:13
SpeedEvil	user:zE1Llofish5R.:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh	00:13
SpeedEvil	t-tan:	00:13
DocScrutinizer	hmm, somebody reported this afternoon "!" in etc/passwd doesn't work with ssh	00:13
* SpeedEvil is puzzled.		00:13
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DocScrutinizer	strange	00:13
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: sorry, check your IP	00:14
t-tan	sure. "!" means disable login	00:14
SpeedEvil	ip?	00:14
DocScrutinizer	I assume you're ssh to the N900 via IP	00:15
SpeedEvil	yes	00:15
SpeedEvil	ssh to root@phone works. no password needed - key logs me in.	00:15
DocScrutinizer	I frequently get puzzled by my AProuter mixing up the DHCP IPs	00:15
SpeedEvil	ssh to user@phone sshd reads /home/user/.ssh/.authorized_keys - and ssh asks for password	00:15
DocScrutinizer	can you log in with correct password?	00:16
SpeedEvil	yes	00:17
DocScrutinizer	then I'm completely out of ideas	00:17
lupine_85	is the pubkey in authorized_keys2 ?	00:17
lupine_85	erm, fingerprint	00:18
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SpeedEvil	lupine_85: I've copied roots ~/.ssh directory totally, after blowing away the old copt	00:18
SpeedEvil	y	00:18
t-tan	what are the permissions of /home/user ?	00:18
SpeedEvil	777	00:18
SpeedEvil	hmm	00:19
DocScrutinizer	perms of home/user shouldn't matter	00:19
SpeedEvil	I wouldn't have thought so either	00:19
t-tan	AFAIK 777 didn't work me once	00:19
t-tan	try 755	00:19
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t-tan	my /home/user is 755, by default	00:20
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DocScrutinizer	here as well	00:20
SpeedEvil	:)	00:20
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SpeedEvil	Some message as to why it was dissalowing'd have been nice.	00:20
DocScrutinizer	YEP	00:21
SpeedEvil	I diddn't think perms on ~ would have mattered.	00:21
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DocScrutinizer	~lart ssh	00:21
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t-tan	sure. it makes sense. otherwise someone else could replace your .ssh	00:21
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DocScrutinizer	wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ?	00:21
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SpeedEvil	t-tan: I suppose so	00:22
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: no - ~	00:22
ShadowJK	good somebody is doing a crusade against chmod 777 user	00:22
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SpeedEvil	I'm about 40% sure it started after installing the nokia survey app.	00:23
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DocScrutinizer	I'm completely missing the rationale about disallowing 777 on destination system ~	00:23
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: I think the rationale is if ~ is 777, you can't trust ~/.ssh	00:24
DocScrutinizer	at least if .ssh is correctly set to 500	00:24
SpeedEvil	But if ~ is 777, can't the attacker also set it to 755	00:25
SpeedEvil	hmm	00:25
satmd	no.	00:26
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satmd	iirc, chmod still is limited to owner	00:26
* satmd tests		00:26
DavidSev	if ~ is 777 they can just delete and recreate .ssh?	00:26
t-tan	only anarchists set 777. the don't a secure shell anyway :D	00:26
SpeedEvil	IIRC chown isn't though	00:27
SpeedEvil	so you can chmod it then chown it	00:27
t-tan	s/the don't/they don't need/	00:27
infobot	t-tan meant: only anarchists set 777. they don't need a secure shell anyway :D	00:27
satmd	I tried	00:27
satmd	neither chown nor chmod worked on the file	00:27
satmd	if I wasn't the owner	00:27
satmd	and I wasn't able to change the owner either	00:27
DocScrutinizer	[2010-02-25 23:21:56] <DocScrutinizer> wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ?	00:27
satmd	still... never ever do 777	00:28
SpeedEvil	.ssh had the right perms	00:28
satmd	no exceptions	00:28
SpeedEvil	I'm about 50% sure I never did 777	00:28
satmd	.ssh should be 0700	00:28
DavidSev	yeah, with ~ 777 anyone can delete .ssh and remake it	00:28
* SpeedEvil wonders if any postinstall scripts are around.		00:28
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Arif_	hmmm	00:30
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LuserN800	from man sshd: .ssh: the recommended permissions are read/write/execute for the user, and not accessible by others	00:32
SpeedEvil	LuserN800: yes - it's not .ssh	00:33
SpeedEvil	LuserN800: it's ~	00:33
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DocScrutinizer	yeah recommended, no word about mandatory, especially for authorized_keys. It even says low risk for that file	00:34
GAN900	Jaffa, I should have time Sunday morning.	00:35
LuserN800	SpeedEvil, well, if ~ is writable, then .ssh is erasable, accessible. or?	00:35
DocScrutinizer	still if you set authorized_keys 744 it won't work	00:35
DocScrutinizer	yes	00:36
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satmd	.ssh 0700, the files within 0400	00:39
satmd	and owner/group must match the account of the parent directory	00:39
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LuserN800	and there's a nice script that does the job, ssh-copy-id	00:39
satmd	'recommended' is too weak, imho	00:39
satmd	nod	00:39
satmd	~ should not be world-writable	00:40
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satmd	and I doubt group-writable is a great idea	00:40
SpeedEvil	Okaay	00:40
SpeedEvil	reboot - and it's back at 777	00:40
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satmd	?	00:41
satmd	~?	00:41
SpeedEvil	yes	00:41
satmd	maemo5/n900? or another device?	00:41
Take0n	good night folks	00:41
LuserN800	grep -r chmod /etc :)	00:41
Take0n	or morning/day/evening :P	00:42
t-tan	did you install the first Maemo virus??	00:42
SpeedEvil	LuserN800: doing that	00:42
Take0n	I will manage to port something :P	00:42
SpeedEvil	t-tan: I'm wondering if it's the nokia research tool thing that I've got installed.	00:42
Take0n	later	00:42
t-tan	SpeedEvil: where can I find that?	00:43
SpeedEvil	yes it is.	00:43
SpeedEvil	That's annoying.	00:43
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satmd	report a bug, please	00:43
SpeedEvil	t-tan: I can't give it out I don't think	00:43
t-tan	ok, what does it "investigate"?	00:44
SpeedEvil	t-tan: It basically tracks every program launch, icon touch, call (anonymised, ...)	00:44
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jacekowski	how to check what's consuming the most of batttery?	00:45
SpeedEvil	http://www.360meter.com/	00:45
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: powertop can be of use	00:45
SpeedEvil	as can top	00:45
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: now THAT's nasty!	00:47
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer: well - there is a payment involved.	00:47
DocScrutinizer	no payment can rectify a chmod on ~	00:48
SpeedEvil	I'm not doing anything I don't much care about the public knowing on a box I can drop in a puddle in the street.	00:49
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: evidentally it's messing up your system, even unadvertedly and in a very braindamaged way	00:52
DocScrutinizer	and repeatedly	00:52
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SpeedEvil	yes. I agree.	00:52
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SpeedEvil	I however disagree about the no payment part.	00:52
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SpeedEvil	Though I am annoyed it wasted my - and also your time.	00:53
Arif_	hmmm	00:53
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Arif_	has anyone tried softvol in MPlayer?	00:53
SpeedEvil	yes	00:53
Arif_	is it supposed to have any effect on KMPlayer ? :P	00:54
SpeedEvil	softvol is basically an additional volume control in software that changes volume by simply not outputting the full range of values.	00:54
Arif_	I'm trying to increase the volume in KMPlayer for streaming video	00:55
Arif_	but I haven't succeeded yet :(	00:55
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DocScrutinizer	softvol is an attenuator, no booster	00:55
DocScrutinizer	100% is max	00:55
SpeedEvil	you can use a compressor plugin	00:56
Arif_	hmm	00:56
Arif_	complaining seems easier than finding out what you're talking about :)	00:56
DocScrutinizer	compander is a volume regulator to increase or lower volume differences	00:58
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DocScrutinizer	so in the non-limiting mode it could be used to e.g double the input volume at output	00:58
SpeedEvil	Arif_: do you mean that the stream is considerably fainter than maximum volume?	00:59
SpeedEvil	Arif_: or you're trying to make the maximum volume ouder.	00:59
SpeedEvil	louder	00:59
Arif_	I'm trying to make the maximum volume louder	00:59
Arif_	as it's not very useful for videos :(	01:00
Arif_	or speech	01:00
SpeedEvil	you can make the difference between soft and loud output less, you cannot boost loud output	01:00
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* Arif_ doesn't know how though		01:01
DocScrutinizer	there's a physical limit in the speakers and amp	01:01
Arif_	So basically my only option is to wait for an N9xx ? :)	01:02
DocScrutinizer	you can't get any louder than the maximum they support	01:02
SpeedEvil	http://web.njit.edu/all_topics/Prog_Lang_Docs/html/mplayer/sound.html	01:02
pupnik_	i would prefer a low cpu, lower volume alternative to save battery	01:02
SpeedEvil	-aop list=volume:softclip	01:03
SpeedEvil	maybe	01:03
pupnik_	in fact wou can play audio on N900 with half the cpu use of media player	01:03
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SpeedEvil	https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec	01:03
SpeedEvil	I wonder on	01:03
SpeedEvil	pupnik	01:03
Arif_	haha	01:04
Arif_	FF says the 2nd link is unsafe :)	01:04
Shapeshifter	can someone give me a hint hot to reset the data counter manually through gconf? (Apparently its gconf, someone said in here). I searched the gconf tree using gconftool -R / \| grep -e "reset" -e "data" -e "count" but couldn't find anything relevant. Apparently I need to set the values to 0 and set the "last reset date" somewhere in there.	01:04
SpeedEvil	Arif_: ignore it	01:04
Pillum	is there a way to open urls with xchat?	01:04
shamus	yep	01:04
SpeedEvil	Piil	01:04
SpeedEvil	click em	01:04
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SpeedEvil	with a finger!	01:05
SpeedEvil	or your nose.	01:05
SpeedEvil	Or other pointed bits of integument.	01:05
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Pillum	i clicked it with my finger and my nose, but nothing happened	01:05
DocScrutinizer	seems to me I need to click&hold for context menu	01:05
SpeedEvil	yeah - maybe you need to hold a moment	01:05
DocScrutinizer	then select "open in browser"	01:06
SpeedEvil	does the link go blue?	01:06
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pupnik_	hmm? just need a convenient way to do it. SpeedEvil which N900 free music/audio player would you most like to see have the battery saving option?	01:06
Pillum	mom, for testing: http://google.de	01:06
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Pillum	nope	01:06
Arif_	KMPlayer!	01:06
Pillum	its the same color as the text	01:06
SpeedEvil	pupnik: cat	01:06
Arif_	its the only player I use outside the built in one =D	01:06
SpeedEvil	Pillum: where did you get your xchat?	01:07
SpeedEvil	and this is on the n900?	01:07
pupnik_	Arif_: i could fix up kmplayer to do it most easily	01:07
SpeedEvil	pupnik: I question if the DSP couldn't do it at lower power.	01:07
SpeedEvil	mplayer would be as good.	01:07
pupnik_	i'll do some tests tomorrow to be sure i am not BSing	01:08
DocScrutinizer	Pillum: click&hold for ~2sec. then select "Open Link in Browser"	01:08
Arif_	:D	01:08
shamus	How can I make links clickable instead of right click or ctrl+click?	01:08
shamus	Type the following inside of XChat: /set gui_url_mod 0	01:08
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pupnik_	nice link SpeedEvil -bookmarked	01:08
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Pillum	my xchat is from extras	01:10
Pillum	oh it worked	01:11
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shamus	the set gui_url_mod worked?	01:11
Pillum	didnt worked the first time, cause the display is too small	01:12
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Pillum	no not this	01:12
SpeedEvil1	pupnik: when looking at CPU, it can be misleading. mplayer using 50% is much less power at 250MHz than 50 at 600%	01:12
Pillum	didnt tried this shamus	01:12
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Pillum	but wait	01:12
shamus	ahhh	01:12
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DocScrutinizer	shamus: it accepts command, but doesn't change url click behaviour. Neither 0 nor 1	01:13
shamus	yah xchat can be a pain	01:13
shamus	odd	01:13
shamus	it dose in in the desktop built	01:13
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Shapeshifter	fiferboy: hey there; you told me that I could reset the data counter through gconf. I've been searching the gconf tree and google for a while now but I can't find the keys :\|	01:15
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Arif_	aww	01:18
Shapeshifter	fiferboy: nevermind, I think I found them (searching for "tx"	01:18
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Arif_	the N900 can't cope with KMPlayer running and doing other things	01:18
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fiferboy	Shapeshifter: Let me know if you need more info	01:18
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Shapeshifter	fiferboy: mhh, I found /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes and the same for gprs_tx_bytes, but I can't see where to set the last reset date...	01:20
Shapeshifter	maybe because I never reset it since I got the device...	01:20
fiferboy	Shapeshifter: It should be in that same area. I can't remember if it shows up before you do a reset.	01:20
Shapeshifter	fiferboy: if you have a device at hand, could you please have a look at gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS ?	01:21
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Pillum	there is a gprs_reset_to e	01:22
Pillum	time	01:22
Shapeshifter	Pillum: ah thanks, that must be it. not set on mine	01:22
Pillum	looks like time in seconds since 1970	01:22
Shapeshifter	Pillum: brilliant, thanks	01:23
Pillum	np ;)	01:23
SpeedEvil	epoch fail.	01:23
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Pillum	i hate that limit, cause I cant set my parents correct birthday date	01:25
Pillum	thats so lame :(	01:25
trem	nite all, sweet dreams	01:25
Pillum	good night, sweetie ;)	01:25
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ponyofdeath	hi im geting dpkg error processing wget (--configure) any ideas on how i can fix?	01:28
pupnik_	what command are you issuing?	01:30
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DocScrutinizer	set gprs_reset_time to the birthday of his parents? o.O	01:32
ponyofdeath	apt-get dist-upgrade	01:32
ponyofdeath	after an apt-get update	01:32
ponyofdeath	seems its erroring out on post-install scripot returned error exit status 2	01:32
ponyofdeath	i would dpkg --purge wget but i think thats a core package	01:33
ponyofdeath	used to download others :)\	01:33
Pillum	DocScrutinizer: no :D but the calender works the same way ;)	01:33
DocScrutinizer	apt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated afaik	01:33
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ponyofdeath	what should i use i mean it was upgrading stuff	01:34
Pillum	how can i autocomplete with xchat ?	01:34
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DocScrutinizer	Pillum: so you can't enter a event on the birth of your parents?	01:34
Pillum	yeah	01:34
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Pillum	you got it ;)	01:35
DocScrutinizer	Pillum: use contacts, add field "birthday", then in calendar enable "special dates" or somesuch	01:35
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satmd	maemo5 has a calender type for dates	01:35
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satmd	type 'smart', you can only have one of that kind	01:36
satmd	it was enabled on mine by default	01:36
DocScrutinizer	smart, that's it. not special dates	01:36
* satmd supplements doc		01:36
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Pillum	im confused....	01:36
DocScrutinizer	Pillum: ??	01:37
satmd	with contacts, you can store a birthday	01:37
DocScrutinizer	Pillum: create a contact for your father	01:37
DocScrutinizer	create a new field, select "birthday"	01:37
Pillum	is it only possible with a contact?	01:37
satmd	the calendar app has several calenders, one of them is specially for contacts' birthdays	01:37
DocScrutinizer	enter your father's birthday	01:37
DocScrutinizer	in calendar it'll show up	01:38
satmd	no, but that'd be the most straightforward	01:38
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DocScrutinizer	~ $ mdbus2 -ls; then open cam slider... o.O	01:41
DocScrutinizer	actually dbus is so much fun	01:41
DocScrutinizer	especially without decent docs of all signals and methods	01:42
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Pillum	thanks for the tip with the calender	01:42
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Pillum	how can i use autocomplete with xchat	01:43
Pillum	there is no tab key :)	01:43
Wild_Doogy	click it?	01:43
Wild_Doogy	nevermind	01:43
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Wild_Doogy	I thought you meant like the autocomplete in the virtual keyboard. that one you have to click the rest of the word	01:44
pupnik_	i have autocomplete in irssi with ctrl+i	01:44
Pillum	mdbus not found .... is this an optional app?	01:44
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Pillum	i just changed to xchat	01:44
Pillum	for the nice gui	01:44
SpeedEvil	pupnik: I set it to shift-rightarrow	01:44
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DocScrutinizer	Pillum: shift-space is preferred by most people	01:45
pupnik_	SpeedEvil: got any other good mappings for shift+arrows?	01:45
TriztN900	how do you get user list in xchat?	01:45
pupnik_	DBAC for some reason they give me those letters	01:45
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik_: mark text?	01:46
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SpeedEvil	www.mauve.plus.com/keybindings.conf	01:46
pupnik_	hmm. i could also use copy/paste on kbd	01:46
Pillum	context menu->view->user list	01:47
pupnik_	ty SpeedEvil	01:47
Pillum	Trizt,	01:47
SpeedEvil	pupnik: select - ctrl-c / ctrl-v works	01:47
Pillum	TriztN900,	01:47
SpeedEvil	That also has window 0-9 on shift-blue-numbers	01:47
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TriztN900	Pillum: it's marked in the menu but still nothing	01:48
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Pillum	TriztN900, there is also the normal irc way: /userlist	01:49
DocScrutinizer	TriztN900: probably it's set to size=0 in your config	01:50
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Pillum	the userlist is left....usually	01:51
DocScrutinizer	I seem to remember RST38h tweaked it to hide...	01:51
TriztN900	okey, it may be the case as you say.	01:52
TriztN900	Pillum: jost that i'm old and forget those commands	01:52
Wild_Doogy	Anyone know what video codecs the N900 likes best?	01:52
Wild_Doogy	What should I convert my videos to?	01:53
Pillum	i think h.264	01:53
Wild_Doogy	thanks	01:53
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ShadowJK	h264 baseline	01:54
Pillum	and the resolution must not be too high	01:55
Wild_Doogy	hmm it says on the wikithat youtube videos use H264	01:55
Wild_Doogy	yes, low res	01:55
TriztN900	yeah highres over nfs is painful	01:55
Wild_Doogy	my copy of transformers II gets like 10 FPS	01:55
SpeedEvil	3*4 pixels at 4fps.	01:56
Wild_Doogy	speedevil: WOW???	01:56
ShadowJK	800x480 should be fine	01:56
Wild_Doogy	thanks	01:56
SpeedEvil	Well - not really. youtube that is.	01:56
Pillum	The highest quality supported:	01:56
SpeedEvil	IT seems to approach it at times though	01:56
Pillum	resolution 800x480	01:57
Pillum	container avi or mp4	01:57
Wild_Doogy	well thanks very much guys	01:57
Wild_Doogy	I need to eat supper rightnow thoug	01:57
Wild_Doogy	bye	01:57
Pillum	mpeg4 or h.264 max bitrate 5000	01:57
Pillum	and aac or mp3 max 329	01:58
Pillum	320	01:58
Pillum	bye	01:58
Wild_Doogy	--copy- -paste-	01:58
Pillum	??	01:59
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corecode	is ther the terminus font for maemo?	02:30
Arif_	hmm	02:30
Arif_	Ovi store needs Paypal support	02:30
dassu	I have never used ovi store and most likely will never do so	02:30
Arif_	Angry birds level pack 1!	02:31
dassu	maemo extras is a better solution imho	02:31
dassu	and free	02:31
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Arif_	and all the burp apps that'll be released	02:31
Arif_	\o/	02:31
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dassu	:\| never cared about mobile gaming	02:31
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Arif_	oh btw	02:33
Arif_	I have a %99 feeling that that level pack will be on warez sites within 1 week	02:34
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Arif_	as it's just a deb file being downloaded :P	02:34
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Wild_Doogy	me again~ can anyone recommend a video converter for Ubuntu?	02:47
Wild_Doogy	That I can encode vidoes for my N900 with	02:48
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pupnik_	handbrake is popular	02:49
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pupnik_	there was also tablet-encode	02:49
Wild_Doogy	will look them up. thanks	02:50
Arif_	XviDs I downloaded mostly work on the N900 :D	02:50
Wild_Doogy	I have a .mkv	02:50
Wild_Doogy	movie is called Steamboy :-D	02:50
Arif_	ah, those usually won't	02:50
Arif_	Steamboy you say?	02:51
Arif_	XD	02:51
Wild_Doogy	yes awsome movie	02:51
Wild_Doogy	I want to play it for my family via the video cable	02:51
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Wild_Doogy	I hope thats easyer than making a DVD	02:51
Wild_Doogy	cause that didnt work	02:51
Arif_	plug in the cables and you're good to go	02:52
Wild_Doogy	well yes, that part is easy, its getting it to playon the N900	02:52
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Arif_	if it's in your own house upnp is also an option	02:53
Arif_	but I don't know how to get that to work on Linux desktop :D	02:53
Wild_Doogy	UPNP as in streaming?	02:53
Wild_Doogy	XD	02:53
Arif_	yea	02:53
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Wild_Doogy	that could work!	02:53
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* Arif_ is usually too lazy to re-encode :P		02:53
ali1234	you'd still have to convert it	02:53
ali1234	upnp just serves the same file over http	02:54
Wild_Doogy	VLC will get it on the network, but how do I catch it with the N900?	02:54
Arif_	ali1234, there are upnp servers that transcode on the fly	02:54
ali1234	for linux?	02:54
Arif_	I don't use linux :P	02:54
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Wild_Doogy	Arif_: you have a N900? cause then you do use linux :-D	02:55
Wild_Doogy	lol	02:55
Arif_	I don't use linux on my desktop ;P	02:55
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ali1234	vlc can convert files too	02:55
ali1234	but i heard good things about handbrake	02:55
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corecode	wow where do all these crappy maemo apps come from, in the ovi store	02:58
pupnik_	it is simple to use, with decent cropping and dvd reading	02:58
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Saviq	hi all, any way I can get conversations to work with a self-signed certificate?	02:59
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Wild_Doogy	Just got tablet-encode	03:02
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Wild_Doogy	seems to be working great	03:02
Wild_Doogy	its encoding < realtime though :-(	03:03
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orbarron	does anyone know where I can find X11-->X.h in maemo5? app is looking for this but not sure where to find it	03:07
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cehteh	hey ... my n900 makes really strange internet connections ...	03:15
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cehteh	Feb 26 02:12:20 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42471 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0	03:15
cehteh	Feb 26 02:12:22 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.129.20.203 DST=78.55.252.22 LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42472 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=0	03:15
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pronto	neat, we can hax you now :D	03:16
cehteh	10.129.20.203 is NOT its configured IP	03:16
pronto	i didnt even look at it	03:16
pronto	just being non-useful	03:16
cehteh	one dest is a chat.ovi.com and another some dynip in germany	03:16
cehteh	well thats somewhat fishy	03:17
pupnik_	hmm i seem to be losing ability to generate screen taps once in a while	03:17
pupnik_	sometimes requires reboot	03:17
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cehteh	mhm	03:19
kamui	pupnik	03:20
ShadowJK	cehteh, do you use skype?	03:20
cehteh	yes	03:21
cehteh	but that are not skype connections	03:22
ShadowJK	oh?	03:22
cehteh	and why does it grab a random IP?	03:22
cehteh	(source)	03:22
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ShadowJK	oh that's a good question :)	03:23
cehteh	its in a 10.40.0.0/16 subnet .. but tries to pretend being 10.129.20.203	03:23
ShadowJK	ack+fin set..	03:23
cehteh	well this are firewall blocked packet	03:23
* cehteh sets up his firewall anew, years of bitrot made it a bit unmanageable		03:24
cehteh	well and one dest is chat.ovi.com .. i have a ovi account, is maybe ok (but why the strange source spoofing?)	03:24
cehteh	and the other one is a dynip on a german provider .. i have no friggn ovi contacts i am chatting with!	03:25
ShadowJK	I'd expect a great deal of funny crap from skype's p2p activities, especially the NAT-punching assistance it can do for two unrelated peers	03:25
cehteh	yes	03:25
acidjazz	Michael J Fox just holds his penis to masturbate.	03:25
cehteh	i can clearly see what skype tries	03:25
ShadowJK	nothing visible netstat on device?	03:26
cehteh	didnt tried yet .. just plaing on the firewall	03:26
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cehteh	nothing visible now	03:27
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* cehteh thinks he just cancels his ovi account... i dont use it for chat, sharing doesnt work		03:28
cehteh	servers are often slow	03:28
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pupnik_	There is a US patent 5443036 for exercising a cat by pointing a laser pointer at the floor and wiggling it.	03:30
corecode	genious	03:30
cehteh	lol	03:30
corecode	is there also a patent for scaring crows?	03:30
corecode	works very well	03:31
cehteh	and guiding airline pilots to the ground?	03:31
corecode	point laser next to crow, will fly away	03:31
corecode	didn't try other bird tho	03:31
corecode	s*	03:31
pupnik_	i could use something to kill moles	03:31
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cehteh	test	03:33
pupnik_	see. the government doesnt have to make rational sense. they just take your money anywy, and create nonsense jobs.	03:34
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crashanddie	and non-sense rules	03:37
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cehteh	grr .. why does openvpn terminate even when there is a fine connection?	03:43
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homeasvs__	I get an internal error when trying to load 'sharing' part of settings, and it crashes - anyone know what app binary that is so I can debug it, or how settings are stored ?	03:48
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cehteh	homeasvs__: thats is a quite much plugin stuff architecture	03:52
cehteh	did you uinstall some development plugins for sharing/telepathy/accounts whatever?	03:53
homeasvs__	possibly, not sure, I've been using it for a while now	03:53
cehteh	try desinstalling what you dont need	03:53
homeasvs__	I prefer to learn the architecture. No idea on the binary names, or where settings are stored ?	03:54
Proteous	deinstalling	03:54
Proteous	heh	03:54
cehteh	..	03:54
cehteh	.	03:56
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cehteh	i didnt used it seriously, just tried to see if it works ..	04:36
cehteh	just when i am not at home my wife can call me and ask for help	04:36
cehteh	she one has the choice, linux with support or windows without .. she choosen linux :P	04:36
cehteh	so now i have to comply with that deal :]	04:37
Wild_Doogy	hahahaha	04:37
Wild_Doogy	interesting choise	04:37
cehteh	so .. tea and then continue with firewall .. this stuff rot since 8 years or so, time to clean it up and rewrite :P	04:40
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dassu	hmm, has anybody got the internal media player to work on Maemo browser? O_o	05:19
dassu	I tried apple trailers	05:19
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* dassu looks for it		05:28
* dassu found mplayer plug-in for maemo 4		05:29
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dassu	hmm, just installed the mplayerplug-in but can't seem to get quicktime to play :((	06:21
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qgil	good "morning"	06:30
luke-jr	qgil: lrn2UGT	06:31
luke-jr	http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html	06:31
qgil	luke-jr you lost me now	06:31
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qgil	funny! I already learned something today	06:33
luke-jr	practical :p	06:33
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dassu	oke, so the mplayerplug-in definitely works but I still have problems with apple trailers	06:47
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dassu	Nope it doesn't actually	06:48
dassu	no video	06:48
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Sargun_Screen	when do we get the cool features?	06:49
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crashanddie	classic: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/pho/1618117557.html	07:15
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tank-man	he can dream	07:25
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crashanddie	tank-man: if he used to be a pro, how come he didn't go for any specifics?	07:27
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crashanddie	tank-man: even if the guy has stopped being a pro 10 years ago, he should still have a favourite manufacturer	07:27
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crashanddie	yo, channel	08:47
crashanddie	can someone give me an nslookup of xkcd.com ?	08:47
crashanddie	The sysadmin is trying to prove he's smarter than m e	08:47
RST38h	he is.	08:47
RST38h	because he is the sysadmin	08:47
crashanddie	doesn't prove anything	08:48
crashanddie	I can own him in ways ten times worse than anything he can do to me :P	08:48
crashanddie	He's not even capable of spotting that I'm chatting on IRC over SSL...	08:48
aziwoqpd	Non-authoritative answer:	08:48
aziwoqpd	Name: xkcd.com	08:48
aziwoqpd	Address: 72.26.203.98	08:48
crashanddie	thanks	08:48
crashanddie	that better not be the IP or lemonparty	08:49
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RST38h	http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/02/23/things_i_wont_work_with_dioxygen_difluoride.php	08:51
crashanddie	aziwoqpd: can you do imgs.xkcd.com as well?	08:51
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RST38h	"The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive"	08:53
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RST38h	"I've seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use"	08:55
RST38h	(and the best part is, it is not from SCP Wiki)	08:55
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lucent	RST38h: nice find.	09:02
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Hukka	"Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal" Is there a typo in there?	09:03
Hukka	Like the k in front of the cal?	09:03
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aziwoqpd	maybe that's per mole	09:03
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Proteous	kcal == kila calorie	09:05
Hukka	Quite explicitly does say just four molecules...	09:05
aziwoqpd	433 kcal/mol sounds reasonable	09:05
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Proteous	what channel is this again? :P	09:05
Hukka	Proteous: #werebored	09:05
tekojo	Hukka just don't try that at home	09:05
Proteous	there was the mysterious ... part	09:05
Proteous	you can hide anything in ...	09:06
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Hukka	tekojo: If there's no typo, I can see why it wasn't tried even at lab specialicing in violent explosions	09:06
tekojo	first it stinks like hell and then you have a very potent acid that is used to etch glass	09:06
Hukka	Proteous: It wasn't a quote	09:06
Proteous	quote?	09:06
Hukka	Proteous: It was more like a pause in verbum	09:06
Proteous	ah	09:06
Hukka	Proteous: Yeah, dots mean missing words only in quotations	09:07
tekojo	yes, it looks like it would be a good explosion, and it most likely is per mole	09:07
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Hukka	Not sure if I'll be bored enough to check that. I usually don't deal with energies in units other than eV	09:08
tekojo	Hukka where did you find that anyway?	09:08
crashanddie	anyway, leaving work, talk later	09:09
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Hukka	tekojo: RST38h's link a few lines above my comment	09:11
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Hukka	RST38h: That's a great blog, thanks	09:23
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Shapeshifter	tiemu hasn't been packaged for the n900, has it...	10:09
Shapeshifter	only ati? I'd love to have a TI89 on the n900...	10:10
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Wolfie	iirc there are two TI-emulators... or there has been, at least	10:11
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Shapeshifter	Wolfie: yeah there's tiemu for OS2008	10:12
Shapeshifter	I'll try if the deb works on the n900.	10:12
adeus	ati-85 rocks :)	10:12
Wolfie	i might've been looking at the extras-devel	10:12
Wolfie	and, the ones i tried didn't work all too well :)	10:12
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Shapeshifter	oh its in the repo actually	10:15
Shapeshifter	or no it is not	10:15
Shapeshifter	it's just apt being weird again	10:15
Shapeshifter	apt is soo weird.	10:15
Shapeshifter	I downloaded the .deb and did dpkg -i foo.deb. it failed because of lots of missing dependencies, and then I did apt-cache search tiemu2 and now it finds it. But its just the local package.	10:16
Shapeshifter	I don't get the logic behind apt at all.	10:16
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Shapeshifter	and it still keeps repeating that autoremove will uninstall vpnc, although I installed it manually	10:17
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jacekowski	Shapeshifter: it's not installed properly	10:18
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: if it failed on dependencies it's left unconfigured	10:19
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: you have to install dependencies for it and configure it	10:19
Shapeshifter	jacekowski: tiemu or vpnc?	10:22
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jacekowski	Shapeshifter: the one that failed on dependencies	10:23
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Shapeshifter	sure, tiemu got installed half way or so (again apt logic I don't get). But I added the repo now which contains tiemu2, and am trying to install the chinook version.	10:23
Shapeshifter	it even seems to work.	10:23
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: apt will install every program	10:23
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: and then it will decide if it's configurable or not	10:24
Shapeshifter	jacekowski: sure. I just think that makes little sense...	10:24
Shapeshifter	meh.	10:24
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: if it's not configurable because of missing dependencies it will stop leaving it in inconfigured state	10:24
Shapeshifter	I can live with that anyway	10:24
jacekowski	Shapeshifter: so you can fix your dependencies and configure it	10:24
Shapeshifter	jacekowski: I think that's overly complicated	10:24
Shapeshifter	why not just "not install" if there are missing dependencies. why even bother installing it if it wont work anyway	10:25
jacekowski	because you will install it anyways	10:25
jacekowski	after solving dependencies	10:26
villager	Shapeshifter: you can fix deps with "apt-get -f install" without dependencies	10:26
villager	without arguments, I mean	10:26
Shapeshifter	villager: no I can't if I installed the package with dpkg -i	10:26
Shapeshifter	because the dependencies are _missing_	10:26
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villager	Shapeshifter: so you don't have the deps in any available repo?	10:27
Shapeshifter	villager: I didn't at that point. I now added an external chinook repo and it had the packages needed and it seems like tiemu2 is working more or less	10:27
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villager	Shapeshifter: if they are available, then apt will find them and download them, if you use the -f option like I said	10:27
Shapeshifter	villager: I just installed it from the app manager.	10:28
Shapeshifter	nevermind! there isn't any problem ;)	10:28
villager	-f is basically a "repair" option	10:28
Shapeshifter	Imho, all this makes little sense and could just be left out completeley. keep it simple...	10:29
villager	and you don't need to tell it which package to repair either, "-f install" just repairs any unconfigured package, if it can, regardless of how you installed it	10:29
red	is there any decent sources for N900 desktop backgrounds (the kind that loop 4 desks and not those retarded single desktop images every place is distributing)	10:29
red	http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201002/errord/Error.png	10:29
mece	red, http://www.n900wallpapers.com/	10:30
mece	red, "loopable wallpapers"	10:31
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red	hah, most obvious choice	10:39
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Jaffa	Morning, all	10:47
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red	hmm, my n900 been running real slow today and now theres 2x documents, camera, images etc in MyDocs	10:48
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tybollt	olrite	10:58
tybollt	git me some of that special 1.2 love now nookla!	10:58
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tybollt	you know you want to	10:58
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DangerMaus	lol	11:00
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Stskeeps	morn wazd	11:10
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jacekowski	red: virus	11:16
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hrw	morning	11:26
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mtd	red: more than 32 files in one of those folders. search for stuff like that on bugs.maemo.org.	11:32
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red	mtd: more than 32 files in most of those folders and no probs before	11:51
red	guess ill try resetting the trackerd	11:51
red	will be a pain to re-index ~20GB of stuff but beats having duplicates	11:51
red	somehow I find it odd that this sort of bugs are still in	11:51
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`0660	i haven't seen a fool proof use of inotify yet	11:53
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`0660	i wonder if the problem lies in the kernel or the userspace applications	11:54
red	the indexing is a retarded thing in any case	11:55
red	there should be a way to set it on manual	11:55
pupnik_	red ++++	11:55
red	sup pupnik_? :p	11:55
pupnik_	coffee. then going to stomp mole tunnels	11:55
pupnik_	hmm no first driving off trash	11:56
red	i just mariofied my n900 desktop	11:56
red	looping super mario background, and positioned shortcuts, widgets ands bookmarks so that they would be on the playfield :>	11:56
`0660	i would prefer a situation in which i would have no idea of the indexing even happening	11:56
red	`0660: well if you are using the phone when indexing happends you will feel it	11:57
red	it's like running vista on a 500mhz pc with 512mb ram	11:57
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`0660	red, well, i would prefer to not feel it :)	11:57
red	id just like to be able to pick "play this folder & it's subfolders" from the media player :)	11:57
red	mediabox draws too much battery as a substitute player and skips alot	11:58
hrw	~curse 'headset button' driver	11:58
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 'headset button' driver !	11:58
red	it could index the id3-tags on play of the file or you could hit index	11:58
red	:D	11:58
red	~curse native media player and stupid indexing	11:59
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, native media player and stupid indexing !	11:59
hrw	red: in short:	11:59
hrw	~curse nokia maemo team	11:59
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia maemo team !	11:59
red	:D	11:59
red	now that was a fitting insult!	11:59
red	hrw: as it usually is with "smart" players, they aren't smart enough and lack possibility to turn off those things	12:00
red	only players with smartplaylists I've found decent were iTunes Genius (it really worked!) and XBMC media player where you can make XML based playlists "ignore folders with the word live" style of rules	12:00
`0660	i think it would be too confusing for end users to have to index files manually	12:01
red	they are nice for not having to add each new piece of music into lists	12:01
red	but instead work on excluding stuff u dont wanna hear on a particular list :)	12:01
red	`0660: for real, you saying on a linux phone it would be hard for a user to make subfolders for like "rock" "pop" "metal" and place their music under those appropriately?	12:01
red	i mean, this phone isn't for the teens wearing pink and giggling at the mall	12:02
`0660	i would sure like excluding live songs from default playlists somehow	12:02
`0660	i would rather spend time listening to music than organising it	12:02
red	if they ignore to do so, the default could still be like it works now	12:02
red	id still like a way to set it on folder style play and not how it is	12:02
hrw	red: I have /home/user/MyDocs/Media/Muza with few GB ordered by artists/albums/ and want it to be indexed. nevermind how but indexed	12:02
hrw	too bad that tracker do no index all	12:03
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red	I just put my music into .sounds/Genre/Subgenre/	12:03
red	and I'd like to be able to play via the "main" genres	12:03
red	cause my I have a vast collection all correctly tagged	12:03
red	so now I can't have a playlist with death metal, melodic death metal, progressive metal, trash metal	12:04
red	gotta pick one of those	12:04
red	even thought they are all under a folder called Metal :)	12:04
viukkis	you misspelled thrash :(	12:04
red	and same thing for Electronic music, and for some Rock with grunge, alternative etc	12:04
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red	viukkis: I do that every time :)	12:04
red	think theres a corroded spot in my brain where that word is stored	12:05
viukkis	makes sense	12:05
red	once again, tracker-processes --hard reset	12:06
red	heres to hoping ill have my library without duplicates for more than a week this time	12:06
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red	estimated time remaining: 4020min 30sec	12:10
red	>_<	12:10
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cpscotti	Someone really knows how to add a screenshot for your app at maemo.org; when the app IS in extras and all..	12:13
cpscotti	??	12:13
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mikkov	cpscotti: go to your product page and the page->edit	12:17
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Khertan	Hello !	12:33
Khertan	I see that ovistore as now paid content	12:33
Khertan	is it now open to developpers ?	12:33
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lcuk	Khertan, not sure think the process is the same as it was, but you can enquire and find out	12:35
pupnik_	Khertan: i suggest you spend some time with mame "Space Duel". i think it is the non-plus ultra asteroids style game	12:35
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Khertan	pupnik_: Space Duel ?	12:36
Khertan	non-plus ?	12:36
Khertan	what did you mean ?	12:36
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Khertan	thx lcuk for anssias	12:36
Khertan	thx lcuk for answer	12:36
Khertan	:)	12:36
pupnik_	atari, early 80s. coin op	12:36
lcuk	pupnik, arcade joystick console with real coin mech	12:37
pupnik_	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Duel	12:37
Khertan	mine is a clone of MineStorm ... on vectrex ... an 82 game :)	12:37
lcuk	bluetooth + big screen	12:37
pupnik_	and a fine clone it is...	12:38
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Khertan	thx	12:38
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pupnik_	our mame could use a lot of work	12:39
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mece	gaah.. Vulture's Eye is hogging my time!	12:40
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pupnik_	are the new colors better for you mece ?	12:40
pupnik_	if you didnt notice a change that is good also	12:41
pupnik_	..	12:44
mece	are there new colors?	12:49
pupnik_	yes	12:50
mece	pupnik_, I just recently started playing it, so perhaps I've only seen the new ones.	12:50
pupnik_	ok	12:50
mece	pupnik_, never played it before.	12:50
pupnik_	i think it works quite nicely. takes some time to learnm of course	12:50
mece	yeah.. well I've played "some" nethack in my time ;)	12:51
pupnik_	if you care to, please take notes of ideas to make it easier to play	12:51
mece	pupnik_, do you develop it then?	12:52
pupnik_	i would consider making some patches	12:52
mece	pupnik_, ok. cool. Hey is there supposed to be sound?	12:53
pupnik_	dunno	12:53
mece	well there is no sound on my device afaict.	12:53
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xt	Is there any way to send/recieve styles (think colored text) in IM protocols?	13:05
* SpeedEvil hopes not.		13:06
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midas	n900 says no.	13:06
xt	:(	13:08
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w00t	n900 says 'colours make baby jesus weep blood'	13:15
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DangerMaus	hmm	13:23
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: so, my mac panic'd trying to use zfs send	13:27
timeless_mbp	it seems that i have corruption on my hdd (surprise!)	13:27
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DangerMaus	heh hos you muck up zfs.. lol	13:29
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homeasvs_	anyone know where I could go look for source code of the facebook-sharing-service deb ?	13:30
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SpeedEvil	apt-get source packagename?	13:30
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zaheerm	homeasvs_, not sure it is free....	13:32
homeasvs_	zaheerm, me neither, which makes it harder to either fix it or remove the config so I can try again	13:33
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zaheerm	homeasvs_, settings, sharing accounts, ....	13:36
zaheerm	allows you to delete your facebook account	13:37
homeasvs_	zaheerm, yeah, so yesterday that simply crashed settings, now after reinstalling facebook debs, it doesn't crash but it also doesn't show anything when I click facebook	13:37
homeasvs_	the flickr one does bring up a dialog	13:37
zaheerm	:(	13:37
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homeasvs_	it doesn't look like those sharing plugin settings are stored in gconf either	13:37
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zaheerm	i guess first file a bug in maemo bugzilla and then experiment a little with inspecting the binaries	13:37
homeasvs_	ok, found some clues, signond is involved	13:42
homeasvs_	perverse nokia, naming a file .xml and have it be binary ...	13:42
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wazd	heya all	13:53
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mece	ooh.. samba in extras-devel. Nice.	13:56
jo-erlend	I'm a bit surprised by Maemos user policy. Why does it use a single user instead of a normal user and group strategy?	13:56
jo-erlend	and "user" seems to have a password set, but I don't know what it is. Is it safe to change it?	13:56
viukkis	it is intended for single user devices	13:56
mece	actually it's even in testing	13:56
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mece	jo-erlend, it has no password, and yes it's safe to set.	13:56
mece	at least I have a password, and no problems.	13:57
jo-erlend	can I set it up for more than one user and via privileges decide who can access 3g and phone, for instance?	13:57
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mece	jo-erlend, yep.	14:04
corecode	i need a mode to silence IM/email during the night	14:04
corecode	nasty to be woken up by mail that arrives at 3:30 am	14:04
corecode	anybody have a solution to that?	14:04
jo-erlend	mece, then I'd get a login screen on bootup, or do I have to install anything special for that also?	14:04
mece	jo-erlend, no login screen.	14:05
Lynoure	corecode: there is Silencer, that ought to set your phone to a silent mode for a specified time	14:05
corecode	Lynoure: yea, but then alarms won't work either	14:05
mece	jo-erlend, the phone will be exactly as before. only remote logins are affected.	14:05
jo-erlend	mece, ah, ok.	14:06
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Lynoure	My N900 keeps asking me to "Select connection" quite a lot, even if I don't choose to do any network stuff, despite me setting Internet connections->Connect automatically to Always ask	14:06
Lynoure	This is not quite what I thought "Always ask" would mean, though it pretty much asks always always (urgh)	14:07
mece	Lynoure, well if you tell it to ask, why would you be surprised if it asks?	14:07
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Lynoure	mece: any way to make it not poll for net all the time?	14:07
SpeedEvil	do you have any widgets on the desktop?	14:07
Lynoure	the battery drain this causes is significant	14:07
mece	Lynoure, by disabling the thing that polls the net	14:07
jo-erlend	hey... In N900, I try calling a number of the form #1234*. Normally, that's sent as a query to the operator. But that doesn't happen in N900. Any ideas?	14:07
Lynoure	mece: no setting for "only poll for net after asking me for an ok?"	14:08
Lynoure	SpeedEvil: yes, weather widget.. which is set for manual update only	14:08
mece	Lynoure, no there is no switch that forbids applications to ask for network access.	14:10
Lynoure	mece: I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)	14:10
Lynoure	Is there somewhere a setting for no phone and no wlan? Or for a plane, do I need to turn the device off?	14:11
Lynoure	ah, there, found it.	14:11
mece	on a plane you use offline mode	14:11
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SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: it's a bug. Tehre is an app - ussd-widget or something	14:12
Hukka	Also during the night	14:12
Hukka	N900 really doesn't use much power without display or network	14:12
mece	During the night mine is plugged in the charger, so I wouldn't know.	14:12
Lynoure	Hukka: for the night I'd like the no-wlan mode	14:12
Lynoure	Hukka: because I still want to be there if my sister calls with anything urgent	14:13
jo-erlend	SpeedEvil, ussd-widget?	14:13
Hukka	Lynoure: Or perhaps 2g only mode?	14:13
mece	but umm..	14:13
Lynoure	Hukka: if there were one?	14:13
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Hukka	Sure there is	14:13
mece	3g2gdual switcher and always ask does what you want.	14:13
Hukka	In the settings take dual off	14:13
Hukka	Lynoure: Certainly you have checked the ways your phone can be configured :?	14:14
jo-erlend	SpeedEvil, oh.. USSD is the name for those codes to be sent to the operator?	14:14
Lynoure	Hukka: öh	14:14
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mece	Lynoure, I'm not sure I understand this: "I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)"	14:16
Lynoure	Hukka: I went though everything originally... But had a 3G deal with the phone company then.	14:16
Lynoure	mece: you know, on linux there is a difference between e.g. pinging and connecting to a wlan	14:16
Hukka	Lynoure: Well sure, I have too, but forcing 2g only can save battery	14:16
Lynoure	mece: if the application asks to ping, but the system does not provice the wlan connection, it just fails	14:17
Hukka	Quite often the phone is on the brink of dropping from 3g to 2g, and then the constant reconnections can drain the battery	14:17
Hukka	Of course if the 3g is stable, then it just sits on the standby mode	14:17
mece	Lynoure, oh. I see. Ok so we're talking about searching for wlan. There's an option in internet connections search interval. set it to never.	14:17
Lynoure	Hukka: pretty solid 3g for me, so far	14:17
Lynoure	mece: hmm, I have not found it. Where?	14:18
mece	internet connections.	14:18
mece	settings -> internet connections.	14:18
Lynoure	mece: Yes, but not the Connect Automatically?	14:18
mece	the first screen	14:18
mece	if you have always ask, it will not poll.	14:18
Hukka	Sorry for pimping, but all the finns wanting to join netcycler.com and give me points (and save the planet!), I have invites :)	14:18
Lynoure	mece: it does.	14:18
Lynoure	mece: like I said in the beginning.	14:19
mece	how do you know?	14:19
Lynoure	mece: because that's how I have it set :(	14:19
mece	are you monitoring it somehow??	14:19
Lynoure	mece: I know because it asks me "Select connection" pretty much every time I switch the display on	14:19
Lynoure	that's enough monitor to see it :/	14:20
mece	Ok, right. So the problem is that you have an application that wants to connect every now and then. or all the time, and when it tries that, the dialogue asks which connection to use, and to do that it has to poll for wlan?	14:21
jo-erlend	really nice to use a/v with google talk, except I think it's a bit heavy for n900. It became completely unresponsive when I minimized it and tried to launch other apps.	14:22
jo-erlend	but it works very nicely. No setup at all :>	14:22
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Lynoure	mece: would be nicer if it just asked if I want this activitity to get network automatically. But that's santaclausing	14:23
mece	Lynoure, and then disconnect afterwards or..?	14:23
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mece	Lynoure, I mean always ask means just that. Always ask.	14:24
Lynoure	mece: always ask would be ok too	14:24
mece	Lynoure, that's what it does, but you don't want that.	14:24
Lynoure	mece: always poll for wlans, that's what annoys me	14:24
mece	Lynoure, ok, there's a wlan switcher available somewhere.	14:25
nid0	its in testing, works fine	14:25
nid0	disables wlan entirely unless you re-enable it	14:25
nid0	the connection screen will just give you non-wlan connection options with it disabled	14:25
Lynoure	nid0: ooh :) Can't wait. (or I can, but you get the sentiment...)	14:26
nid0	its well worth enabling testing to grab it if you want to use it	14:26
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nid0	then vote it up in the qa queue if you're happy with it, to get it into extras for others to use	14:26
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Lynoure	nid0: I do have extras-devel active... what's the thing called?	14:27
mece	nid0, what's it called	14:27
nid0	its in extras-testing, not devel	14:27
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nid0	Wifi Switcher 0.0.6	14:27
mece	nid0, he means that he's not afraid of testing, since he already has devel.	14:27
mece	or she?	14:27
nid0	current version wont (shouldnt) get into extras though, as it has no bugtracker link	14:28
nid0	and the author's on holiday	14:28
nid0	but iv been using it a couple of weeks and had 0 problems	14:28
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Lynoure	mece: he or she is fine. Female, but way attached to gender neutral pronouns as that's all my native tongue has.	14:29
nid0	it?	14:29
mece	hän?	14:30
Lynoure	Seems I can also get the behaviour I want if I make Connect automatically -> Always, then it lets me set Scan interval -> Never, and then Connect always -> Always ask	14:30
Lynoure	mece: hän, yes.	14:30
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Lynoure	s/always/automatically/	14:31
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Lynoure	With this combo network things just fail quietly, but I can manually connect to a wlan if that's what I want	14:31
Lynoure	(or so it seemed with quick testing, hmm, but not with further testing)	14:32
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mece	Lynoure, when producing a list of available connections with the always ask options, it then scans, regardless of your interval apparently.	14:33
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Lynoure	mece: makes sense, for that... no sense giving an expired list	14:34
nid0	still no details on powermat batteries /wrists	14:36
Hukka	It could just ask wether to search at all	14:36
mece	Lynoure, anyway, the wlan switcher disables this battery eating problem, if you consider it a problem.	14:36
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mece	Hukka, yes that would be ideal imo.	14:37
nid0	using the wlan switcher has made a big difference to me, if it's battery you're trying to improve	14:37
Lynoure	Hukka: that's exactly what I was kind of expecting	14:37
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mece	for powersavers btw, this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45053 is pretty sweet	14:37
nid0	compared to having wifi connected constantly (but idle, with power saving mode enabled, and transmitting at 10mw) disabling wlan entirely has almost doubled my battery life	14:37
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Lynoure	mece: thanks	14:39
mece	nid0, well there is naturally a huge difference between being online and not, regardless of wlan enabled or not.	14:40
nid0	that difference is massive though, other phones iv ever used totally disabling idle wlan over leaving it connected and idle with power saving active is only a 10-20% power saving	14:41
nid0	rather than 100%	14:41
mece	nid0, did you have the wlan drain bug?	14:42
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nid0	not that I know, and the difference is the same post 1.1.1	14:42
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nid0	with my usage with wifi connected but mostly idle, I get a shade over 24 hours of battery life. using wifi switcher to disable wlan when its not actively used, im at around 48 hours, with nothing else changing	14:43
mece	pretty much as I have experienced every phone with internet options I've had.	14:44
mece	stay offline -> double (or more) batterylife.	14:44
nid0	certainly coming from an e90 I never had remotely that difference, with it connected to wifi 24 hours a day that phone would last 4-5 days quite happily, with wifi disabled other than when in use it'd add an extra day at best	14:45
mece	I've heard people claim that it only takes 20% more to be connected and idle, but It's bs afaict	14:45
jo-erlend	how do I record phone conversations on n900? I installed "Recorder" and it does record audio, but it doesn't record the actual conversations. Any ideas?	14:45
nid0	htc's hd2 doesnt seem to have much difference between wifi connected and not either	14:45
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hrw	in power use?	14:46
nid0	yep	14:46
nid0	jo-erlend - there's an app in extras for recording calls	14:46
hrw	wifi chipsets are better and better	14:46
hrw	3g gsm takes more power	14:46
nid0	ah yes and my figures are with 2g only :>	14:46
Lynoure	jo-erlend: try recaller	14:46
Lynoure	jo-erlend: I have it installed, have not given it a try yet	14:47
mece	nid0, but we're talking about wlan, not gprs	14:47
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nid0	I know, I was just pointing out that my 24/48 hour battery lives with wlan enabled and idle/disabled are all with 2g only	14:48
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* Arif_ hands nid0 a 3G tower		14:48
thresh	towel, you mean towel.	14:48
nid0	got one plenty in range, but <24 hour battery life makes baby nidO cry :(	14:48
mece	nid0, do you know exaclty how "idle" your wlan is then?	14:48
Arif_	morning, btw :P	14:48
hrw	Arif_: what is a use of 3G when you have wifi in range...	14:49
Arif_	wasting your battery ? :D	14:49
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nid0	mece, outside of the times it's being actively used it's doing nothing, I tested it with all auto syncs/fetches disabled	14:49
jo-erlend	nid0, you mean deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ freemandle free non-free?	14:49
jo-erlend	nid0, or should I enable another repo?	14:49
nid0	so in a 24 hour battery life run it's maybe actively being used for an hour when i'm doing things with the phone, and doing zero for the remaining 23	14:50
Arif_	I get about 3 days use with only 3G on when I need it	14:50
Arif_	=}	14:50
* hrw -> food		14:50
Arif_	and that's about 3 hours of radio streaming and maybe 1 hour of video streaming a day	14:50
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nid0	jo-erlend thats the extras repo yeah, it should already be on the device and just need enabling in HAM	14:50
* X-Fade hands jo-erlend a -e		14:51
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X-Fade	jo-erlend: fremantle ;)	14:51
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* Arif_ found some old simcards today :D		14:51
jo-erlend	X-Fade, yes, I saw that later. I didn't bother correcting it, as everyone would know which one I was talking about anyway. :)	14:51
jo-erlend	Arif_, they	14:52
jo-erlend	Arif_, they're good for guitar picks! :)	14:52
* Arif_ plays saz :P		14:52
jo-erlend	indeed. :)	14:52
jo-erlend	Arif_, like this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%C4%9Flama	14:53
Arif_	yes	14:53
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Arif_	that one :D	14:53
Myrtti	sudo make me a cup of tea	14:53
Arif_	Myrtti, acces denied	14:53
nid0	app manager <> calculator need to swap places in the menu tbh.	14:53
Myrtti	awwwwwwwwwWWWWWWW	14:54
Arif_	I have Turkish tea if you want :D	14:54
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DocScrutinizer	make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop.	14:55
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jo-erlend	Lynoure, I installed it, but I'm not able to add it to the desktop.	14:57
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nid0	if thats recaller, I think it needs a reboot to show up properly	14:57
Lynoure	jo-erlend: I cannot remember how I added it.	14:58
Arif_	add a widget?	14:58
Arif_	;p	14:58
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Lynoure	Arif_: I mean after a reboot or no, or as add widget or add launcher (as the thing is tiny)	14:58
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Lynoure	I guess it's widget	14:59
Arif_	it just appeared on the desktop for me	14:59
Arif_	and yes, it's a widget	14:59
Lynoure	But, now off to the gym...	15:00
Arif_	though I have no idea where it saves the recordings and in what format	15:00
Arif_	it needs settings!'	15:00
DocScrutinizer	added widgets have annoying habit to hide behinde others	15:00
DocScrutinizer	upper left corner a good spot to search for them	15:01
Arif_	they usually appear wherever's empty	15:02
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Arif_	and if the desktop is full it jumps to the next screen for some odd reason :P	15:02
DocScrutinizer	hmm, not for me	15:02
Arif_	and when you try to move it all widgets dissapear and the desktop edit mode crashes	15:03
Arif_	:D	15:03
DocScrutinizer	heh, I made my desktop crash loopbooting, when I tried to move foreca to another screen	15:03
DocScrutinizer	had to reflash :-P	15:04
Arif_	aww	15:04
Arif_	mine only went blank and I had to readd everything	15:04
Arif_	oh well	15:04
Arif_	maybe we'll have a stable OS in Maemo 9	15:04
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DocScrutinizer	most likely not	15:05
DocScrutinizer	as maemo9 won't happen	15:05
tybollt	I'll settles for maemo6, dude ;)	15:06
hrw	Arif_: Turkish tea? I want a cup of it - with sugar	15:06
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hrw	the good thing in guadec2008 was Turkish tea and coffee	15:14
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w00t	today seems like such a quiet day	15:16
hrw	weekend starts soon	15:17
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w00t	:)	15:17
w00t	have I messed up my email, or has maemo-dev been quiet the past day?	15:17
DocScrutinizer	friday afternoon. Feel happy as long as all stays quite	15:17
w00t	ooh, I messed it up	15:17
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Arif_	hrw, I can do the catering(sp?) if you give me enough money :P	15:18
* DocScrutinizer wonders if someone has grabbed the new info on branch instructions he dropped on LED_patterns lately		15:19
wazd	eeehehe	15:19
wazd	symbian ^4 UI :D	15:19
* Arif_ thinks DocScrutinizer should write a GUI application to edit LED patterns		15:19
mece	tmo down?	15:19
DocScrutinizer	bah	15:19
wazd	nooo, seriously	15:20
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Arif_	it is	15:20
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mece	up again.	15:22
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DocScrutinizer	Arif_: "A. Command compiler software is available with the evaluation kit." http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-1562.pdf	15:24
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DocScrutinizer	basically I guess a gifted C coder can turn cpp into a LP5523 compiler by definition of 2 dozen macros, in less than 1 hour	15:31
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DocScrutinizer	that's not me though ;-P	15:31
Arif_	Basically I have no idea what you're talking about ;)	15:32
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DocScrutinizer	I'm talking bout creating a very simple macro assembler (this is _no_ compiler after all)	15:33
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rzr	any defect usb owners ?	15:46
rzr	i think it would be helpful to report the build dates on http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_USB&action=edit	15:47
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rzr	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB	15:50
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Arif_	wtf	16:17
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Arif_	why is a 3€ product 3$ in the US store	16:17
Stskeeps	cos 3.27 doesn't look pretty	16:17
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Arif_	it should be at least 4$ there	16:18
Arif_	or even better	16:18
Arif_	it should be 2,20€ here	16:18
Arif_	:D	16:18
cos^	Stskeeps: 3.30 would be good	16:19
Arif_	3 eur=4,06 usd	16:19
Arif_	3 usd=2,21 eur	16:19
Arif_	=P	16:19
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Andy80	I really don't understand this...	16:23
Andy80	and I'll never buy at these conditions :P	16:23
Andy80	price should be the same	16:23
Arif_	mh	16:23
Arif_	I can't even buy anything	16:23
Arif_	I have no CC :D	16:24
Andy80	and... in particular	16:24
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Andy80	I know that 1€ = 1,4$	16:24
Andy80	but....	16:24
pupnik_	Lets try to avoid puting	16:25
Andy80	the average people here earn 1000€/month, in USA I don't think they earn 1000$/month!	16:25
pupnik_	every	16:25
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pupnik_	line	16:25
pupnik_	on	16:25
pupnik_	another	16:25
pupnik_	line	16:25
Andy80	sorry :)	16:25
* Arif_ throws warez at pupnik_		16:25
zash	consumer price index!	16:27
pupnik_	there is a nice channel called ##economics on this network. It is one of my favorite channels.	16:27
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zash	is there also a #economics_is_stupid ?	16:28
Arif_	doese it have people moaning about prices too?	16:28
KMFDM	does it regularly have socialism vs. laissez-faire capitalism vs. neoliberal capitalism debates?	16:29
Arif_	communism ftw?	16:29
zash	digital communism ftw!	16:30
Arif_	:P	16:30
KMFDM	parecon ftw!	16:30
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Andrewfblack_	Anyone know if a build of nginx has been done for Maemo5? Or if version for Diablo will work?	16:35
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rzr	KMFDM: yea "rip the system"	16:46
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GAN900	Hey, if you don't want to pay a lot for consumer goods then you shouldn't practice socialism.	16:47
N900evil	or dumpsterism	16:48
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rzr	GAN900: depends what you consider by paying	16:50
rzr	breathing intoxicated air is paying somehow ...	16:51
GAN900	Ew, why am I getting Hildon Notes for highlights?	16:51
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GAN900	rzr, and socialism somehow reduces polution?	16:52
rzr	no	16:52
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rzr	i didnt say that	16:52
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rzr	but cheap products = waste	16:52
rzr	and waste = pay !	16:52
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rzr	so dont focus only on money ...	16:52
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GAN900	lol	16:52
GAN900	Whatever, it's offtopic	16:53
DocScrutinizer	ack	16:53
rzr	we're 200% agrea on that :)	16:53
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rzr	and who fire first ?	16:53
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GAN900	No idea	16:56
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mtd	any idea if one can somehow make all clicks draw some small, faded-out-over-time indicator on the screen?	16:58
mtd	there are plenty of times I'm sure I've hit the screen appropriately so as to trigger a widget, but it doesn't trigger. I repeat and it behaves as expected.	16:58
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ali1234	i get that too :/	16:59
nid0	thats resistive screens for you	16:59
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ali1234	yeah. it is registering the press because it vibrates	17:00
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ali1234	it just isn't registering the location	17:00
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ptl	what do you guys use for protecting your N900? Like Zagg InvisibleShield™ or Vikuiti?	17:08
nid0	nothing on my screen, and a leather case to carry it in	17:08
zap_	anybody knows the equivalent of asm("int $3") on ARM?	17:09
zap_	I tried asm("bkpt") but for some reason CPU usage goes to 100% but it doesnt break	17:09
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Shapeshifter	ptl: vikuity cleartec scratches quickly	17:14
Shapeshifter	but has a good feel	17:14
Shapeshifter	buy a 5 pack	17:14
ShadowJK	sounds same as durasec cleartec then	17:16
ShadowJK	also 5pak :)	17:16
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fcrozat	ptl: Brando ultraclear	17:18
SpeedEvil	ptl: cheap ebay protector	17:18
wazd	fucking e63 headset bug, I hate you	17:19
* nid0 longs for the day screen protectors are no longer needed		17:19
* SpeedEvil longs for the day screens are no longer needed.		17:20
nid0	my longing's realistic though, crossing fingers for a year or two max	17:20
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mtd	ali1234: indeed	17:22
ptl	ok	17:23
ptl	Branco ultraclear? I'll google for it	17:23
fcrozat	ptl: shop.brando.com.hk IIRC	17:23
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DocScrutinizer	is there any solution around yet for the problem of ts going to catch random erratic clicks when inbound call activates screen while device in pocket?	17:25
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nid0	put said device in hard-fronted case is the only current solution, afaik	17:26
DocScrutinizer	this is actually what I have here, still not satisfactory	17:27
nid0	odd, iv never actually had any keys accidentally pressed with mine living in it's leather case	17:27
ptl	is the turning on and off of the screen linked to the touch sensitive matrix by hardware or by software?	17:27
DocScrutinizer	dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than apps	17:27
ShadowJK	The benefit of screen protectors seem to be that you can swap them when they get too scratched :-)	17:27
DocScrutinizer	s/than apps/than buttons/	17:28
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than buttons	17:28
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nid0	tbh the call problem seems like it should be really easy to fix though, it doesnt need to be sliders even	17:28
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: you can swap the touchpanel as well :-P	17:28
nid0	whats wrong with just keeping the screen deactivated when the proximity sensor picks up your pocket	17:28
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nid0	and only have the screen activate when the proximity reading's gone (ie phone's out of your pocket)	17:29
ShadowJK	DocScrutinizer, sure, but the touch window assy is like 60E and lots of tiny fiddly bits	17:29
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nid0	unscratchable glass is the answer	17:29
zap	Also, does anybody know a way to debug Control Panel applets?	17:29
ShadowJK	there's no such thing as uncratchable..	17:29
DocScrutinizer	nid0: brilliant	17:29
nid0	there is when you mean in all practical senses of the word	17:30
ShadowJK	Or rather, if unscratchable glass exiss, I want it on my car :)	17:30
nid0	go get your car refitted with gorilla glass	17:30
nid0	i've played with a sheet of it recently, and you have to literally take a knife to it, hard, to scratch it in any way	17:30
ShadowJK	oh like when scraping ice off of it? :-)	17:31
glass	does it take sandstorms	17:31
DocScrutinizer	diamant coating is the answer :-D	17:31
nid0	shitty plastic ice scaper thing != knife	17:31
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glass	DocScrutinizer: full diamond windows	17:32
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frals	Jaffa: had time to patch python-evolution yet?	17:32
DocScrutinizer	(actually done by special carbon vaporization in vacuum)	17:32
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nid0	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSinEmsOGKo - take a watch	17:33
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zap	Is control panel source code available somewhere? There used to be a public SVN at stage.maemo.org which is now gone	17:33
ShadowJK	is it on maemo.gitorious.org?	17:34
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GAN900	Offtopic: anybody have some good links for a networked home surveillance system?	17:35
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cbrake	where is the best place to get the n900 kernel source?	17:35
cbrake	I found where it can be downloaded using sdk	17:35
Stskeeps	cbrake: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0	17:35
cbrake	Stskeeps: so no git repo or anything like that?	17:36
zap	ShadowJK: I looked there but I can't find control panel	17:36
Stskeeps	cbrake: correct, sadly	17:36
zap	it was in old SVN though	17:36
DocScrutinizer	GAN900: homematic.com ?	17:36
Stskeeps	zap: use http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html as a guide	17:37
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ptl	just ordered pdair rubber with screen protector	17:37
Andy80	anyone of you knows how to modify/add webpages in a garage project? I mean... how can I customize http://myproject.garage.maemo.org?	17:37
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X-Fade	Andy80: Put the web pages in the www dir in your svn/git.	17:38
zap	Stskeeps: thank you very much, found it	17:38
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Andrewfblack_	Stskeeps: I just moved your post about using MADDE to build themes to wiki got tired of googling to find it lol	17:40
Andy80	X-Fade: just static pages are supported or even dinamic one?	17:40
X-Fade	Andy80: Only static.	17:40
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FIQ	yay N900! :D	17:40
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FIQ	i have xchat, i'm going to download a few emulators, but	17:41
FIQ	is there a ftp-client for maemo?	17:41
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Andrewfblack_	FIQ: yes	17:42
Andrewfblack_	atleast 2 I know of	17:42
FIQ	yay	17:42
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tybollt	%!%)"(%)"#(=(!%)= HAM	17:43
tybollt	ask me to update packages and then on update half of the packages "don't exist" wtf?	17:43
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GAN900	DocScrutinizer, thanks.	17:44
DocScrutinizer	yw	17:45
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DocScrutinizer	costs more than gold, but really rigid quality	17:45
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ptl	Can I run JBoss on my N900?	17:46
tybollt	no	17:47
tybollt	bad ptl bad!	17:47
tybollt	stop doing that	17:47
* ptl bad :(		17:47
ptl	ok	17:47
tybollt	ptl: Just kidding.	17:47
ptl	I wonder if I could make a beowulf cluster of N900s!	17:47
tybollt	ptl: I can't for the life of me understand why you would use such a pig on the N900 but if the memmory constraints is not stopinf you - why not?	17:48
tybollt	ptl: Wow how many N900 have you got?? :)	17:48
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ptl	only 1	17:49
ptl	but	17:49
ptl	I dunno	17:49
ptl	just doing some brainstorm	17:49
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ptl	maybe we find a use for distributed use of mobile devices	17:49
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hrw	re	17:50
hrw	ptl: for what?	17:50
hrw	there are better choices for making buildfarm for native builds	17:50
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ptl	I dunno, just exploring with some thought experiments	17:51
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ali1234	ptl: OBS is all the rage for distributed cross building	17:51
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ali1234	it's what meego will use	17:51
ptl	Opensuse Build System	17:52
ali1234	hope you know your way around opensuse though, if you want to use it	17:52
ptl	I don't	17:52
ptl	never used...	17:52
hrw	ali1234: you do not need opensuse to use obs	17:52
mgedmin	is it actually suse-specific? I've heard rumours that it can build packages for distros like Debian too	17:52
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ali1234	hrw: the server can only be installed on opensuse or centos	17:53
mgedmin	I always assumed it was just a branding thing, sort of like Ubuntu One not really being ubuntu-specific	17:53
ali1234	hrw: unless you build it from source	17:53
hrw	maybe	17:53
ali1234	you don't need opensuse/centos to run the client, but the client wont operate without a server, so you either need opensuse to run the server, or you need an account on novell's OBS server, in which case you can only build against the distros they have available	17:54
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hrw	oh.. disaster...	17:54
* hrw prefers OpenEmbedded anyway		17:54
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ali1234	openembedded sucks	18:00
DocScrutinizer	ptl: we at OM considered to build the largest mobile beowulf cluster out of all the FR collecting dust on the shelf ;-) Just a fun idea	18:00
ali1234	i'd rather just learn opensuse once than be forever writing OM recipes	18:00
ali1234	i mean OE	18:01
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DocScrutinizer	bkitbake	18:01
ptl	This seems like a revival for suse	18:01
ptl	lol	18:01
ptl	Ok, I can dig into opensuse, but please don't start using mono on Maemo ;)	18:02
DocScrutinizer	MONO, waaaaaahhhh	18:04
DocScrutinizer	windows .net idiots compatibility layer	18:05
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tybollt	oh and guys we need NDIS wrapper as well \o/ \o/ \o/	18:06
DocScrutinizer	sorry for explicit speech	18:06
mgedmin	because there are so many different wireless cards you could install in your n900, yeah	18:06
tybollt	mgedmin: ? Usb wifi cards - for sure? :)	18:07
mgedmin	because the n900 supports usb host mode sooo well	18:07
tybollt	it doesn't?	18:07
DocScrutinizer	tybollt: sure, with the great usb hostmode support N900 got	18:07
tybollt	shrug I never bothered to check actually :)	18:07
tybollt	so it doesn't do usb host?	18:07
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DocScrutinizer	nope, as for now	18:08
mgedmin	tybollt, was I on the moon when the n900 host mode support got announced? all I know is people alternately saying "NO" and "maaaaybe, if I could get my hands on a n900 and a soldering iron"	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	rumor has it it lacks hw support for it	18:08
mgedmin	the usb chip supports it but the leads aren't connected or something like that	18:08
pupnik_	how about learn how to do make something useful for maemo?	18:09
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DocScrutinizer	basically the most important thing is whether it has USB-VBUS power supply, or not	18:09
tybollt	actually http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode	18:10
DocScrutinizer	then it's also unclear if you can switch the PHY chip to hostmode	18:10
tybollt	breaks it down pretty good	18:10
pupnik_	putting people on ignore helps you reduce scroll-off of useful comments	18:10
ali1234	does anyone know how n900 etc xorg hides the mouse pointer?	18:11
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pupnik_	ali1234: all pointers are symlinked to a transparent pointer	18:11
ali1234	hmm	18:11
ali1234	that's no good for what i need	18:11
pupnik_	i have visible pointer here with my own pointer substituted for transp	18:12
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ali1234	say i run vnc on NIT, connect it to vncserver on my desktop	18:12
ali1234	i will see a mouse pointer from the remote desktop	18:13
ali1234	but that's pointless and annoying on a touchscreen	18:13
pupnik_	i like seeing the pointer. helps target links	18:13
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The_Tall1	Hi there. I just tried to install the pythonlibrary rdflib. But it faild due to the installed gcc. Is there another way to port this python module?	18:26
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The_Tall1	s/faild/failed	18:27
Andrewfblack_	Can some people look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964 and give me your option on my idea?	18:27
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c\|oneman	wow really, maemo is this popular?	18:28
ptl	is witter optified?	18:30
MohammadAG	ptl afaik yes	18:30
b-man17	c\|oneman: what you see on this channel is only 4% of the community, if that	18:31
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c\|oneman	I can't imagine what will happen when more than 1 phone actually runs it	18:32
Andrewfblack_	their are 35k members on talk so this isn't that much	18:32
MohammadAG	1.59% b-man17 :p	18:32
c\|oneman	what's talk?	18:32
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MohammadAG	talk.maemo.org	18:32
Brendan[BP]	Andrewfblack thats a pretty sweet idea	18:32
Andrewfblack_	and their are lots that are Mailing lists that don't use talk	18:32
bohciao	hi everybody, anyone from italy? :)	18:33
Andrewfblack_	Brendan[BP]: I just need a programmer to make it happen	18:33
MohammadAG	c\|oneman, well technically the 770, N800, and the N810 ran maemo	18:33
Brendan[BP]	Andrewfblack wish i could help, i only program in F# and to programmingfu isnt fantastic at the moment	18:33
viukkis	770, N800 and N810 weren't phones though	18:34
Andrewfblack_	Brendan[BP]: just go learn C++ and QT real quick lol	18:34
Andrewfblack_	Or python	18:34
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Brendan[BP]	Andrewfblack hehehehe im really interested in learning QT, ive got all the stuff to do it on the old pc... :p just actually getting around it it hahah... if only i wasnt capped right now... :(	18:35
ptl	F#?	18:35
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Brendan[BP]	ptl its a functional programming language	18:36
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ptl	oh	18:36
ptl	functional programming languages are weird.	18:36
lcuk	Andrewfblack, no	18:37
Brendan[BP]	hahahha amen to that!	18:37
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Andrewfblack_	lcuk: don't like the idea?	18:37
Brendan[BP]	lcuk, no??	18:37
lcuk	thats my first impression anyway	18:37
lcuk	i considered similar for liqbase stuff	18:37
lcuk	its ok if you have data files only	18:38
lcuk	but arent those slider things apps?	18:38
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Andrewfblack_	lcuk: nope just data files in theme folder	18:38
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lcuk	Andrewfblack, maybe then :P	18:38
Andrewfblack_	all the stuff I talked about are just files in the theme folder	18:38
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Andrewfblack_	all the needs to do is list the theme element packages, download the one you want and unpack and over write old files.	18:39
* tybollt does the "show me the money" dance from Jerry Maguire but instead chants "show me the 1.2!"		18:39
tybollt	1.2 for the people	18:39
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lcuk	Andrewfblack, and how do you recover after reflashing/restoring	18:42
tybollt	speedy: Huh? No 1.1.1 for you yet?	18:42
Andrewfblack_	lcuk: how do I recover personally I run my backup or you talking about theme program?	18:42
lcuk	currently dont themes come via HAM and then get enabled	18:42
lcuk	theme	18:43
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Andrewfblack_	lcuk: after a reflash you just download program again and pick the elements you want again	18:43
Brendan[BP]	thats the only way it would be possible anyway	18:43
Brendan[BP]	:S	18:43
Andrewfblack_	this program wont can't any default theme it will come with its own custom theme that all changes will be made to	18:43
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Andrewfblack_	lcuk: I don't see whre a reflash would really hurt anything jsut have to setup what you want again	18:45
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lcuk	Andrewfblack, the problem is reproducability and uber coolness. i like the idea but its implementation would be tricky and non reproduable	18:48
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lcuk	what if, you did like dell	18:48
lcuk	theme-maker style	18:48
lcuk	the website offers basic theme	18:48
lcuk	then you modify it	18:48
lcuk	and at the end you are given url for new theme	18:48
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italian	ma esiste una chat anche per gli italiani? io l'inglese lo so da schifo :(	18:50
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lcuk	Andrewfblack, that could be done without any on device code, and full complete reproduability	18:50
lcuk	because theme_20100226_lcuk was the only one generated by me at that time	18:50
Andrewfblack_	lcuk: your idea would take masive web scripts to rebuild theme from your choices. I don't understand what is tricky about have a bunch of zip file on webserver that program downloads and unzips into theme folder	18:51
Vanadis	if i pay for the extra levels of angry birds and have to reflash my phone	18:51
Vanadis	can i download the game another time without paying?	18:51
ptl	italian: provare a utilizzare Google Translate per capire cosa dice la gente qui	18:51
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italian	ptl: thanks a lot :)	18:52
Vanadis	oh wait, nevermidn	18:52
Vanadis	fuck ovi store -> i don't have a credit card	18:52
Andrewfblack_	also don't know what you mean by non reproduable if you want to reproduce it jsut redownload the packs you had before	18:53
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lcuk	Andrewfblack, when i need to backup/restore my data, everything comes back as i left it - without having to reselect anything - thats all i mean.	18:54
lcuk	dont worry tho, you are right it would work	18:54
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hrw	Vanadis: should be able to	18:56
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Andrewfblack_	lcuk: that is true but the scripts for the server would be much harder to write and then you would have to install theme with xterm. My idea is much more user friendly	18:56
hrw	anyway I did not passed 1st set of levels	18:56
lcuk	Andrewfblack, i thought themes came in debs and from app manager?	18:57
Brendan[BP]	user friendly is what we want	18:57
Brendan[BP]	:)	18:57
Andrewfblack_	lcuk: this wont be install a whole new theme each time just part that will over ride the file in the theme included with program. So if you want new text colors this program would download the color.css file and over ride it.	18:58
Andrewfblack_	Or if you want the pacman lockslider it will only download those files and override them	18:59
Andrewfblack_	then you select the theme that comes with program and you have just those changes	18:59
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Andrewfblack_	If you want to go back to programs default on part of it. The program and do that as well because I will have the defaults on server	19:00
Andrewfblack_	Lunch time we can pick this up after that	19:00
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shinkamui	hey	19:07
shinkamui	what does that F stand for in AndrewFBlack	19:07
Brendan[BP]	hoi	19:07
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* w00t grumbles at gender-neutral names		19:10
lcuk	like "w00t"	19:10
w00t	texrat just called me a she :(	19:11
lcuk	he wasnt far wrng then :p	19:11
w00t	oi	19:11
w00t	i'm going to come to manchester and test my accelerometer by bouncing my n900 off your head in a minute :p	19:11
lcuk	feel free	19:12
lcuk	ive got more ammo than u	19:12
w00t	hahah	19:12
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mgedmin	I know many people who would be very happy to have n900s thrown at them	19:12
w00t	I've got a bunch of crappy winmo phones I could throw first :-)	19:12
w00t	(and they'd hurt more, they're heavy)	19:12
mgedmin	provided they could keep the n900 in question afterwards	19:12
lcuk	lol mgedmin a flaw in my plan	19:12
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ml-mobile	be sure to start n900fly before throwing	19:12
Brendan[BP]	lol	19:13
lcuk	n900fly doesnt cut it in this instance	19:13
lcuk	not interested in the flight path	19:13
lcuk	its the damage vector	19:13
w00t	hehe	19:13
ml-mobile	accelerometer should be able to measure sudden deceleration	19:13
lcuk	i asked earlier if qt has interfaces to railguns	19:13
lcuk	for n900orbit app	19:13
w00t	ml-mobile: yes!	19:13
lcuk	of course ml-mobile	19:14
ptl	oh, shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiuL4I8qg2s I can't believe someone actually did that.	19:16
MohammadAG	question, if I move a .ko file into /lib/modules/<currentkernel> shouldn't it load on startup?	19:17
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ptl	I apologize for the swearing. But if you see the video you'll do the same.	19:17
hrw	have a nice rest of day	19:18
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ptl	MohammadAG: only if the device to which it refers is used	19:18
ptl	or if it is on the automatically loaded modules list	19:18
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mgedmin	ptl, the boy would need a bagful of spare batteries to do all that in the forest	19:18
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ptl	mgedmin: I thought that too, lol	19:19
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MohammadAG	ptl kk ty :)	19:20
ptl	is there any midp emulator for maemo?	19:21
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ptl	a friend of mine is asking	19:21
ptl	he's thinking about buying a N900	19:21
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ptl	I just asked your question here. :)	19:23
ptl	hey nfermat	19:23
nfermat	hi ptl	19:23
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mschr	hi all :-D	19:24
ptl	no one knows about midp on maemo?	19:24
greenfly	midp?	19:24
ptl	nfermat: I found that: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31727	19:24
greenfly	you mean like midpssh?	19:24
* Arif_ burps		19:25
* mgedmin heard of MIDs as a generic term of devices larger than a nokia tablet but smaller than a netbook, but /me doesn't know midp		19:25
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ptl	greenfly: yes, running midp applications	19:26
ptl	mgedmin: not MIDs, midp, Java Micro Edition	19:26
Arif_	oh	19:26
Arif_	midp=java crap	19:26
Arif_	:P	19:26
greenfly	ptl: no java	19:26
greenfly	ptl: but java is less necessary since you can write programs in c, c++, python, or even bash	19:27
ptl	legacy support might be desirable for some people	19:27
Arif_	yeah we'll get useless apps like on Android :D	19:27
Jaffa	frals: Nope	19:28
ptl	but it's not me who's asking... I don't use midp for a long time. it's my friend nfermat that needs it	19:28
ptl	anyway, yeah, I'd love if the N900 had as much useless apps as the Android	19:28
ptl	this is a great appeal to prospective buyers.	19:28
Arif_	we need an apple appstore port	19:28
nid0	some useless apps are also in fact useful!	19:29
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ptl	useless apps are great. I'd love an accelerometer-beer-glass-simulation app	19:29
Arif_	why?	19:29
ptl	because I can use it to show off to girls, it makes them giggle, and it's a very good start for the kind of conversation that makes me take them to bed.	19:30
ptl	if anything, for that.	19:30
Arif_	you need a fake beer glass for that?	19:30
w00t	ptl: I think you're in the wrong channel if you're actually getting laid. :P	19:30
Arif_	says more about you than the girls :D	19:30
ptl	lol	19:30
nfermat	lol	19:30
ptl	if you put it that way, yes. It's not that I need, it's another trick under the sleeve.	19:30
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Arif_	w00t, :O	19:30
Arif_	/quit	19:31
Arif_	but everyone knows about the farting beer glasses now	19:31
Arif_	so it's not very impressive ;(	19:31
Arif_	you should show them youtube playing in the browser!	19:32
ptl	it's also too common	19:32
nid0	that only works if the girl's at least 3/4 as geeky as the n900 owner showing her it	19:32
ptl	I need a bunch of useless apps	19:32
Arif_	depends on what clip you show	19:32
Arif_	:D	19:32
ptl	no, no	19:32
ptl	geek girls like usefull apps.	19:33
ptl	*useful	19:33
nid0	youtube playing smoothly in the browser is sufficiently useful	19:33
Arif_	you can just show them the XTerminal	19:33
Arif_	and then get ignored with no phone ;(	19:33
nid0	yeah baby, heres my top	19:33
Arif_	MY LOAD IS ABOVE EIGHT THOUSAND =D	19:34
Arif_	no wait	19:34
Arif_	it was OVER EIGHT THOUSAND	19:34
Arif_	Long time ago I watched DBZ...	19:34
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ptl	show her your uptime!	19:36
ptl	'hey, baby, look at that! the phone has been out for three months and my uptime is 101 days!'	19:37
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* Arif_ refrains from commenting on that....:)		19:37
ptl	lol	19:37
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* w00t headdesks a little		19:38
w00t	:P	19:38
Arif_	:D:D	19:38
* DocScrutinizer doubts there's such a thing like geek girls		19:39
Arif_	I sure hope not	19:39
Arif_	I wouldn't understand them ;(	19:39
ptl	yes, there are	19:40
ptl	however the BALANCED geek girls do not let their geekiness dominate, and worry with life, appearance, and so on	19:40
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Arif_	good	19:40
Arif_	;P	19:40
c\|oneman	making them completely out of anyones league?	19:40
ptl	the unbalanced geek girls might even be beautiful, but they use to be weird, ungrasppable entities	19:40
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ptl	not really	19:41
Arif_	ptl has a lot of experience apparently :D	19:41
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ptl	I've got some, but it's here in Brazil	19:41
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ptl	it might be different in other countries	19:41
SpeedEvil	ptl: you can convert one to the other using a balun.	19:41
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: LOL	19:42
ptl	nfermat found http://www.microemu.org/ for the MIDP emulator, but that only postpones the problem, now you need a J2SE to run the J2ME	19:43
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kkito	hello	19:43
Arif_	hai	19:43
DocScrutinizer	I bet very few recipients know what a balun is	19:43
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Arif_	DocScrutinizer, something with electric signal thingies?	19:43
kkito	I am programing a game, and after some time of playing it the backlight turns off. do you know how (in freemante) control the screen backlight?	19:44
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kkito	fremantle :P	19:44
Arif_	yay, more games	19:44
ptl	A balun, pronounced /ˈbælən/, is a type of electrical transformer that can convert electrical signals that are balanced about ground (differential) to signals that are unbalanced (single-ended) and vice versa. They are also often used to connect lines of differing impedance.	19:44
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Arif_	what game is it? :p	19:45
ptl	the equivalent of xset s off does not solve it?	19:46
mschr	anyhow....	19:46
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mschr	who knows of a good application to use as UI task manager?	19:47
mschr	anything available on maemo?	19:47
Arif_	ctrl+backspace?	19:47
ptl	kkito: maybe the people in #maemo-devel know better	19:47
mschr	arif_: aka dashboard.. there's no info on priority/memusage/cpu-utilization etc	19:48
* Arif_ hasn't come across one in extras+testing		19:48
kkito	ok, i didnt know about this channel, thank you :)	19:49
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rzr	hi, are the mailing list archives online ?	19:51
GAN900	mschr, htop	19:52
GAN900	rzr, yes	19:52
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GAN900	On several websites.	19:53
rzr	err	19:53
rzr	i wanted to ask this in #meego :)	19:53
rzr	:)	19:53
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Andrewfblack_	shinkamui: I always say its stands for Andrew F***ing Black but really its Franklin	19:57
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Arif_	you're whatnow?	19:59
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GAN900	rzr, same answer.	20:05
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mgedmin	gah, I can't remember again how to scp my source debs to the extras-devel builder :(	20:08
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mgedmin	what do they mean "not a valid .changes file"???	20:10
mgedmin	what's wrong with http://pastie.org/844519 ?	20:10
villager	mgedmin: perhaps they only want a source upload, no binaries	20:14
mgedmin	d'oh!	20:14
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mgedmin	villager++	20:16
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tgalal_	could someone please help me out with this :( :( :( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45849	20:23
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Lynoure	I'm trying to run a binary on N900, I have it copied over but for some reason chmod a+x does not seem to stick, and thus run-standalone.sh ./myapp fails	20:24
Lynoure	I'm probably doing something wrong, but what?	20:24
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jgastal	Lynoure: in what partition did you put the executable?	20:24
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Lynoure	jgastal: it's in the home directory	20:25
jgastal	Lynoure: some partitions are mounted with noexec	20:25
Lynoure	jgastal: what would be a good place to put stuff for testing	20:25
Lynoure	?	20:25
Lynoure	(I guess that is noexec then...)	20:25
jgastal	I don't recall if ithas noexec. run mount, to see mount options.	20:25
jgastal	I would say /opt but I'm just guessing	20:26
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villager	Lynoure: are you sure it's in your /home/user and not in /home/user/MyDocs? I can run binaries from /home/user fine...	20:26
Lynoure	villager: ah, thanks for reminding me that there is a difference :)	20:27
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nid0	hm, extras is getting ~100,000 downloads a day atm?	20:29
nid0	that aint bad, for 180 apps in it.	20:29
Arif_	what do they download	20:30
Arif_	is there a hidden fart app?	20:30
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N900evil	moobox needs a mod	20:33
pupnik	camera app crashed device when i held shutter too long and now last 4 photos are unviewable bookmarks in photoviewer	20:33
Arif_	lol	20:33
Arif_	even the camera didn't like what you were making pictures of ;P	20:34
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pupnik	(feature request) after sharing a photo, give url in clipboard or SOMEWHERE!	20:36
slonopotamus	(this isn't a bugtracker)	20:36
slonopotamus	:P	20:36
lcuk	thats a reasonable idea pupnik	20:36
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lcuk	i think somewhere i noted that if you select to share image from conversations it should fill in the url into the message box	20:37
pupnik	after rebooting i see photos i have not seen since FOSDEM!	20:38
lcuk	similar idea, but yours is totally global and would be good, even if it was just opening a text file with recent uploads	20:38
Arif_	I haven't figured out yet how to upload stuff	20:38
Arif_	:p	20:38
Arif_	I click share>services>photobucket>I get my photobucket login>I login>I get pixelpope screen	20:38
Arif_	and then nothing :(	20:39
pupnik	flickr upload works for me	20:39
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cehteh	picture sharing to ovi also never worked for me	20:45
* Lynoure happily looks at maebiGTD version 0.1 on her phone		20:46
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n900maemo	hello	20:47
n900maemo	Anyone free?	20:48
Brendan[BP]	for what? :)	20:48
* Arif_ has a price		20:48
b-man17	lol	20:48
villager	what if you prefer to exchange favours, is that considered free?	20:50
Arif_	wouldn't that depend on the favor? ;)	20:51
Lynoure	n900maemo: For what kind of project? grin	20:51
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lcuk	Lynoure, pics or it didnt get done	20:52
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n900maemo	Well im having trouble flashing my pre-production device	20:54
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n900maemo	it is saying that i have to supply the X-loader image	20:54
lcuk	n900maemo, and where did your pre production device come from	20:55
n900maemo	Finland	20:55
n900maemo	It came from Nokia R&D	20:55
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lcuk	so contact your nokia wrangler and ask for updates	20:55
n900maemo	:/	20:55
lcuk	afaik the only images available ar ethe official ones	20:56
n900maemo	I have flashed n900's before its just that this one is asking me to supply the x-loader image since its not a production release	20:56
TomaszD	n900maemo, which HWID	20:56
n900maemo	2001	20:57
TomaszD	n900maemo, alright, I'll hook you up, msg	20:57
n900maemo	really!?	20:57
n900maemo	is it just the firmware that is causing this issue	20:57
VDVsx	n900maemo, you need a legacy FW	20:57
TomaszD	n900maemo, I've sent you information	20:58
VDVsx	TomaszD, are you sharing these images ? careful with that can upset someone ;)	20:59
TomaszD	VDVsx, I've just sent him a an e-mail address to Daniel	20:59
VDVsx	TomaszD, ah cool ;)	21:00
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VDVsx	right thing IMO :)	21:00
n900maemo	how to i retreive your message?	21:00
n900maemo	oh found it!	21:00
TomaszD	alright	21:00
* lcuk ponders searching for the build ids		21:01
Lynoure	lcuk: in a short bit there will be pics. Then, someday soon there ought to be a .deb as well	21:01
Lynoure	Drat, cannot use my N900 to take pics of my N900	21:01
lcuk	Lynoure, you should mark those on some sort of system	21:01
lcuk	that you can manage your tasks	21:02
lcuk	Shift + Ctrl + P	21:02
Lynoure	lcuk: I do :)	21:02
lcuk	afaik	21:02
lcuk	takes a screenshot	21:02
Lynoure	lcuk: but that could be any screenshot	21:02
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Lynoure	No telling it apart from the scratchbox	21:02
lcuk	that took its time to leave	21:02
VDVsx	btw, if someone has app ideas for maemo: http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Project_ideas#Ideas_List	21:02
lcuk	Lynoure, i just wanna see your gtd app	21:02
slonopotamus	lcuk, that fails to capture video overlay	21:03
lcuk	dont care where its runnin	21:03
lcuk	slonopotamus, dont i know it	21:03
Lynoure	lcuk: it's nothing spectacular yet.	21:03
VDVsx	I'm trying to retrieve some from brainstorm (a bit messy :()	21:03
* lcuk always has ideas VDVsx :P		21:03
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lcuk	i just put a spectacular one in #nokia-mdc	21:04
Lynoure	lcuk: just basicly a todo app, very bare bones at that. Will get much better in time. I'm hoping to replace Progect (for Palm) in my GTD use	21:04
lcuk	Lynoure, i just make sketch notes	21:04
lcuk	then convert them into apps	21:04
Lynoure	:)	21:05
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lcuk	jacket potato time, bbl	21:07
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Andrewfblack_	wazd: What you think about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964?	21:16
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N900evil	aww - google-earth cores	21:17
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wazd	Andrewfblack: honestly I'm a consistency fan so I'm not very excited bout different theme elements at the same time	21:18
wazd	Andrewfblack: though it can work for downloadable iconsets	21:18
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Andrewfblack_	wazd: icon sets are going to be a big part of it that is where I got the idea and it grew from their	21:19
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Andrewfblack_	I think custom lock sliders will be used alot also I lot of people like things like the pacman lockslider	21:20
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Andrewfblack_	isn't their a way for me ot make my regular name disconnect?	21:21
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hrw	re	21:26
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hrw	http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commit/6d2c37e76e46f282a63a635cac5db61100540461 is interesting - Qt/maemo5 released as not supported?	21:27
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wazd	Andrewfblack: again, pacman slider is just one idea	21:29
wazd	Andrewfblack: you can make a package that will replace slider only	21:29
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Andrewfblack_	wazd: thats true what I'm doing could be done with a bunch of packages but alot of theme people are having trouble learning packaging this is going to make it where they just put the files in a folder. tar.gz it and they are good to go.	21:30
N900evil	the screen lock is a bit broken	21:30
N900evil	you get glimpses of what's underneath	21:31
Arif_	hmm	21:32
Arif_	I just thought of an idea for a new app	21:32
Arif_	:D	21:32
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johnsq	Hi	21:33
Arif_	now I wish I knew how to program	21:33
Arif_	={	21:33
johnsq	Arif_: learn it, isn't difficult	21:33
Arif_	nah	21:33
Vanadis	Arif_, what's your Idea?	21:33
Arif_	you know the FM transitter sends out the song data?	21:34
Arif_	take that data	21:34
Arif_	and send it to the conversations status message thingy	21:34
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Vanadis	okay	21:34
Arif_	a "now playing" plugin for conversations in short	21:35
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hrw	Arif_: there is not such already?	21:37
Arif_	there is?	21:37
Stskeeps	lo jebba	21:37
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jebba	heya	21:41
wazd	Andrewfblack: also I think that lockslider is rarely used screen :P	21:41
wazd	Andrewfblack: I actually haven't seen it live ever :)	21:41
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Lynoure	lcuk: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=153291&id=684723529&l=59458fb52b	21:48
Lynoure	lcuk: there's the screenshots	21:48
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Andrewfblack_	wazd: I use lockscreen for viewing time alot but app will do alot more then just lockscreens	21:53
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manavs	hi	22:08
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Myrtti	oh for gods sake, just tuned into the hockey game to see the Finns fuck it up	22:09
djkrikke	Hi Guys, just wondering if there is a way to auto turn off my wifi if the device is "standby"?	22:09
jaska	good thing i dont watch hockey then	22:10
djkrikke	or can wifi stay on forever with the power saving enabled?	22:11
manavs	yes it can	22:12
SpeedEvil	wifi on and mostly idle leads to a battery life of well over a day	22:12
SpeedEvil	that is - logged in	22:12
djkrikke	allright	22:12
SpeedEvil	with powersave on	22:12
ShadowJK	myrtti: yeah :( had prepared with beer and bowls of chips and all!	22:12
SpeedEvil	routers can vary significantly in their support of powersacing though	22:12
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frals	Myrtti: giant mistake by kiprusoff yeah	22:14
manavs	is qt 4.5 optified?	22:14
ShadowJK	man, the pauses for comercials look kinda silly on a tv channel with no ads :)	22:15
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djkrikke	what services do you have turned on SpeedEvil	22:15
SpeedEvil	that was a test with just ssh logged into tehr edvice	22:16
RST38h	Shit.	22:16
SpeedEvil	the device	22:16
* RST38h got Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus.		22:16
RST38h	Track #0 is Russian. Track #1 is....	22:16
RST38h	...Italian. Shit. Shit. Shit.	22:16
djkrikke	oh allright SpeedEvil	22:17
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SpeedEvil	Nothing for it but to learn Russian.	22:17
SpeedEvil	There are some benefits.	22:17
SpeedEvil	Watch A Fish Called Wanda for a demo.	22:17
* RST38h knows Russian.		22:17
RST38h	The translation sucks though.	22:17
SpeedEvil	oh.	22:17
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Myrtti	so, now that the hockey game is over...	22:23
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pupnik	n900 just fell off my shirt pocket onto a marble floor.. again..	22:23
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toggles_w	pupnik: beats putting it through a washing machine	22:23
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ShadowJK	Myrtti, wtf is this :)	22:27
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b-man17	hmm, i'm getting "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor" while runnung apt-get update in the fremantle sdk :\	22:28
sheepbat	..did it still work, toggles_w ?	22:29
Andrewfblack_	Please excuss my spam but Recruiting people for help on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45964	22:29
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lcuk	Lynoure, cool stuff	22:32
* wazd wonders if anyone has camriped Alice premiere :D		22:33
lcuk	for similar ui stuff (and a desktop widget for your app) there is countdown widget application	22:33
RST38h	moo wazd	22:33
wazd	RST38h: heya	22:33
RST38h	wazd: just wait a few weeks	22:33
wazd	RST38h: well, I was thinking of seeing it in 3D in the heatre	22:34
RST38h	3d is overrated...	22:34
wazd	RST38h: just wondered who can be so desperate to camrip world premiere :D	22:34
Lynoure	lcuk: thanks :)	22:34
RST38h	wazd: camrip it in 3d, with two cams!	22:35
Lynoure	lcuk: I'm not yet sure what kind of desktop widget would work... So that will wait till I have more of the other stuff done	22:35
wazd	RST38h: no, with one huge iMax cam :D	22:35
wazd	RST38h: that's the spirit~	22:35
lcuk	Lynoure, just install and take a look	22:36
lcuk	your app reminded me muchly of it	22:36
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RST38h	wazd: with quickly rotating mirror	22:36
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Lynoure	lcuk: is countdown wigdet it's name?	22:38
lcuk	thats the name on the widget select	22:38
Lynoure	lcuk: I've been looking at quite many timer apps lately...	22:39
lcuk	i cant remember if its the actual name	22:39
Myrtti	Lynoure: feature request for RememberTheMilk support	22:39
Lynoure	Myrtti: why?	22:39
Lynoure	Myrtti: there are some apps with that already...	22:40
Myrtti	Lynoure: for N900?	22:40
Lynoure	Myrtti: yes	22:40
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Myrtti	oh ok.	22:40
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Lynoure	Myrtti: I've never used RTM myself, don't want to hand my life plan to a 3rd party.	22:40
lcuk	"countdown home desktop widget"	22:40
Myrtti	nevermind me then	22:40
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Lynoure	Myrtti: but you could tell me what you like about it?	22:40
Myrtti	eases the synchronization between devices and ability to use it from the browser	22:41
Arif_	~hmm	22:41
infobot	hmm... hmm is hidden markov model	22:41
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Arif_	heh	22:41
Lynoure	Eventually might do some synchronization support. Should not be too complicated	22:42
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Lynoure	probably no browser support, not interested in implementing all the same stuff for browsers.	22:42
lcuk	it harmonises the chemical bonding to ignite synapses for delivery of cow udder juice	22:42
wazd	RST38h: http://i050.radikal.ru/1002/6a/aaf704510c82.png <- what do you think?	22:43
MaikB	Hey guys, I just found out that the accelerometer in the N900 defines a left hand coordinate system. Being a engineer I was surprised by this, since most if not all physics related coordinate system are right hand. Are left hand coordinate system a common thing in electronic devices?	22:44
SpeedEvil	MaikB: err - what?	22:45
MaikB	sorry	22:45
SpeedEvil	MaikB: it has 3 axes.	22:45
MaikB	it has	22:45
Stskeeps	wazd: i'm worried about touch-wise closeness of top thing and back	22:45
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MaikB	x to the left	22:45
MaikB	y up	22:45
SpeedEvil	MaikB: the axes orientation is not specifically chosen.	22:45
MaikB	und z out	22:45
SpeedEvil	MaikB: as nobody cares about it.	22:45
wazd	Stskeeps: oh, that's an old shot, no back there :)	22:45
MaikB	SpeedEvil: I see	22:46
SpeedEvil	MaikB: it's simply what's most convenient to make.	22:46
lcuk	MaikB, can you not just invert the values and forget it ever happened?	22:46
lcuk	it might have just been a drunken day :D	22:46
SpeedEvil	Or more likely - what the person writing up the datasheet decided to call the axes	22:46
MaikB	lcuk: sure, It will just invert the x axis	22:47
MaikB	SpeedEvil: I assumed the for three entries in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord are x-y-z	22:47
MaikB	-for	22:47
SpeedEvil	MaikB: they are completely arbitrary	22:48
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SpeedEvil	MaikB: register 34 (for example) might be X	22:48
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SpeedEvil	but there is no reason you can't call it Y	22:48
SpeedEvil	and the orientation on the board also changes things. though not the coord system of course	22:48
MaikB	Well well.... I'm a bit shocked about this :P	22:49
SpeedEvil	post to TMO complaining.	22:49
SpeedEvil	It'll make more sense than some other complaints.	22:49
MaikB	I can live with this.	22:50
SpeedEvil	What's more important is for someone to write a nice cal routine.	22:51
MaikB	SpeedEvil: Did you work with other devices that got accelerometers?	22:51
SpeedEvil	The accels have a singificant bias and scale error.	22:51
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lcuk	meh its not that significant but yeah, MaikB http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers	22:51
MaikB	lcuk: I did read this site before asking here :D	22:52
SpeedEvil	A simple 'turn it over and over several times' app that maps the accel readings to the surface of a spheroid, and then calculates offsets and biases from the shape of that spheroid...	22:52
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SpeedEvil	s/sphere/elipsoi/	22:52
manavs	hello all	22:52
Lynoure	I frankly hate the default maemo5 way to select dates	22:52
* lcuk wonders if MaikB is a mole :P reading the wiki, knowledgable, articulate... :p		22:52
SpeedEvil	Lynoure: me too.	22:52
Lynoure	as it does not show weekdays when selecting	22:52
SpeedEvil	Lynoure: utterly broken.	22:52
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Lynoure	"hmm, today is Tuesday so next Friday is... hmm..."	22:53
SpeedEvil	Lynoure: even neglecting the fact you can't set intervals of your choice.	22:53
Shapeshifter	Lynoure: you _can_ fix the Qt implementation of this	22:53
Shapeshifter	no idea about the gtk ui element	22:53
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Shapeshifter	(if it's open source)	22:53
lcuk	Lynoure, SpeedEvil - agreed to a degree. just how would you make one then	22:54
Jaffa	Evening	22:54
lcuk	hey jaffa	22:54
Shapeshifter	lcuk: I'd make the sunday in a different color (e.g. gray background)	22:54
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Shapeshifter	would be enough orientation for me which weekday a day is.	22:54
SpeedEvil	lcuk: make what?	22:54
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lcuk	a better date select	22:54
lcuk	make some mockups	22:55
SpeedEvil	lcuk: well - one way to keep the scrolly goodness would be to add a day scroller.	22:55
lcuk	post about then, dont tell me here they get lost and irc does not communicate meaning well	22:55
MaikB	I wonder if there are specifications about the accuracy of the accelerometer. I bet this is a general issue for embedded devices. And there must be code around to compensate	22:55
Lynoure	Shapeshifter: sounds like a great idea	22:55
SpeedEvil	If you select 'monday' - while leaving 2010 and 'march' selected - all of the dates that are monday in the day selctor are highlighted	22:56
MaikB	reinventing the wheel is fun, but takes a lot of time	22:56
SpeedEvil	MaikB: there are.	22:56
SpeedEvil	MaikB: there aren't general cal routines that I've seen	22:56
MaikB	SpeedEvil: google or garage?	22:56
SpeedEvil	A fit to spheroid code is quite simple.	22:56
SpeedEvil	look on the accel page for docs	22:57
SpeedEvil	or google lis302dl	22:57
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Lynoure	lcuk: seems the date select I got without any attention gives me a calendar at doubleclick. Not fingerfriendly but works for me	22:57
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MaikB	SpeedEvil: Thx a ton!	22:58
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greenlion	hi. after one of updates on n900 I have Audio/Video/Documents/Images folders in file browser duplicated. is there any cure for it?	23:03
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wazd	Stskeeps: http://s42.radikal.ru/i097/1002/6f/c78289c1b298.png	23:06
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MaikB	is there a dbus explorer for the n900, like qdbusviewer on a linux desktop?	23:08
MaikB	Or is (i)python and "import dbus" the way to go?	23:08
Stskeeps	there's a mdbus thing?	23:08
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MaikB	Stskeeps: thx!!	23:08
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SpeedEvil	mdbus2	23:11
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MaikB	does the job	23:13
Stskeeps	wazd: cool :)	23:13
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Shapeshifter	mh. is there a way to toggle fullscreen in scummvm?	23:17
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Fredrik1994	hm	23:18
Fredrik1994	is it possible to change owntext-colors in xchat somehow? :p	23:18
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Fredrik1994	cannot find in preferences	23:18
ShadowJK	at most I think you can have your own nickname a different colour if you enable coloured nicknames	23:19
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Fredrik1994	doesn't seems to change anything at all	23:21
Fredrik1994	the default is hard to read. :<	23:21
ShadowJK	hm	23:21
ShadowJK	I'm not running with the maemo5 default :/	23:22
Fredrik1994	you have this color (or even darker) as owntext	23:22
djkrikke	shutting down for example openssh server on the n900, is that the same way as in debian? /etc/init.d/openssh-server stop	23:22
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ShadowJK	n900 uses upstart... and that's all I know	23:23
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djkrikke	ok, thanks for the info ShadowJK	23:23
Fredrik1994	hm	23:24
Fredrik1994	changing colors->local colors->30 seems to help	23:24
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Arif_	lol, Angry Birds is removed from the ovi store again	23:53
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Oli``	What is the N900 path of the mass storage device (ie if I copy something to the phone over USB, where does it end up) ?	23:53
Arif_	home/user/MyDocs?	23:54
Oli``	Arif_: ah yes - I had checked there but I was still plugged in	23:55
Arif_	remove the usb cable first ;)	23:55
Arif_	hm	23:56
Arif_	I have 300MB left now ;(	23:56
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Arif_	hooray for microSD	23:56
c\|oneman	microSD is the only media I would consider swallowing	23:57
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Arif_	why the hell would you swallow it	23:57
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ShadowJK	I wouldn't want to try find it again when it comes out, though	23:57
lcuk	c\|oneman, what if theres some sharp data on it	23:57
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Arif_	your brain doesn't support FAT32 I assume :P	23:57
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c\|oneman	I mean, if I Needed to keep evidence for later	23:58
c\|oneman	and not get caught with it	23:58
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lcuk	omg, the cops, quick hide the ikea catalog?	23:59

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