IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-02-26

ShadowJKfor battery saving reasons :)00:00
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lupine_85us cable has the excuse that docsis 2 gets in the way; everyone else is stalling00:00
SpeedEviluser has a password set00:00
DocScrutinizerdassu: interesting. Any tips?00:00
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil, ssh is picky about ownership and permissions on ~/.ssh and the contents00:00
SpeedEvilShadowJK: not it00:00
lupine_85yum, good hotel food00:00
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SpeedEvilperms 600, owned by user,users00:01
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SpeedEvilperm of .ssh is 700 - same as /root/.ssh00:01
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: check .ssh and aithkey for 60000:01
DocScrutinizerauthorized keys as well00:01
DocScrutinizeralso check owner00:02
dassuDocScrutinizer: it is in the testing but you need to install it through cmdline00:02
DocScrutinizerdassu: thanks00:02
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SpeedEvilperms are as in - which look identical to me between root and user00:03
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: no idea :-/00:06
Arif_Nokia is coming out with another DVBH phone00:07
Arif_.......who the hell uses DVBH?00:07
SpeedEvilsshd is opening - the identical - ~/.ssh/authorised_keys - files - in each case - user and root - and demanding password for user00:09
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DocScrutinizerdrwx------    2 user     users        4096 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh00:10
DocScrutinizer-rw-------    1 user     users        1115 Feb 25 13:03 /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys00:10
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DocScrutinizerworks here00:10
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: you have a password for user?00:11
t-tanSpeedEvil: did you replace the "user:!" with * in /etc/passwd?00:11
t-tanlupine_85: install the kernel-flasher-maemo from extras-devel00:12
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer yes00:13
DocScrutinizerhmm, somebody reported this afternoon "!" in etc/passwd doesn't work with ssh00:13
* SpeedEvil is puzzled.00:13
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sorry, check your IP00:14
t-tansure. "!" means disable login00:14
DocScrutinizerI assume you're ssh to the N900 via IP00:15
SpeedEvilssh to root@phone works. no password needed - key logs me in.00:15
DocScrutinizerI frequently get puzzled by my AProuter mixing up the DHCP IPs00:15
SpeedEvilssh to user@phone sshd reads /home/user/.ssh/.authorized_keys - and ssh asks for password00:15
DocScrutinizercan you log in with correct password?00:16
DocScrutinizerthen I'm completely out of ideas00:17
lupine_85is the pubkey in authorized_keys2 ?00:17
lupine_85erm, fingerprint00:18
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SpeedEvillupine_85: I've copied roots ~/.ssh directory totally, after blowing away the old copt00:18
t-tanwhat are the permissions of /home/user ?00:18
DocScrutinizerperms of home/user shouldn't matter00:19
SpeedEvilI wouldn't have thought so either00:19
t-tanAFAIK 777 didn't work me once00:19
t-tantry 75500:19
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t-tanmy /home/user is 755, by default00:20
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DocScrutinizerhere as well00:20
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SpeedEvilSome message as to why it was dissalowing'd have been nice.00:20
SpeedEvilI diddn't think perms on ~ would have mattered.00:21
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DocScrutinizer~lart ssh00:21
* infobot raises middle finger to ssh00:21
t-tansure. it makes sense. otherwise someone else could replace your .ssh00:21
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DocScrutinizerwait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ?00:21
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SpeedEvilt-tan: I suppose so00:22
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: no - ~00:22
ShadowJKgood somebody is doing a crusade against chmod 777 user00:22
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SpeedEvilI'm about 40% sure it started after installing the nokia survey app.00:23
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DocScrutinizerI'm completely missing the rationale about disallowing 777 on *destination* system ~00:23
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I think the rationale is if ~ is 777, you can't trust ~/.ssh00:24
DocScrutinizerat least if .ssh is correctly set to 50000:24
SpeedEvilBut if ~ is 777, can't the attacker also set it to 75500:25
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satmdiirc, chmod still is limited to owner00:26
* satmd tests00:26
DavidSevif ~ is 777 they can just delete and recreate .ssh?00:26
t-tanonly anarchists set 777. the don't a secure shell anyway :D00:26
SpeedEvilIIRC chown isn't though00:27
SpeedEvilso you can chmod it then chown it00:27
t-tans/the don't/they don't need/00:27
infobott-tan meant: only anarchists set 777. they don't need a secure shell anyway :D00:27
satmdI tried00:27
satmdneither chown nor chmod worked on the file00:27
satmdif I wasn't the owner00:27
satmdand I wasn't able to change the owner either00:27
DocScrutinizer[2010-02-25 23:21:56] <DocScrutinizer> wait, what did you say was perms of your .ssh ?00:27
satmdstill... never ever do 77700:28
SpeedEvil.ssh had the right perms00:28
satmdno exceptions00:28
SpeedEvilI'm about 50% sure I never did 77700:28
satmd.ssh should be 070000:28
DavidSevyeah, with ~ 777 anyone can delete .ssh and remake it00:28
* SpeedEvil wonders if any postinstall scripts are around.00:28
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LuserN800from man sshd:  .ssh: the recommended permissions are read/write/execute for the user, and not accessible by others00:32
SpeedEvilLuserN800: yes - it's not .ssh00:33
SpeedEvilLuserN800: it's ~00:33
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DocScrutinizeryeah **recommended**, no word about mandatory, especially for authorized_keys. It even says low risk for that file00:34
GAN900Jaffa, I should have time Sunday morning.00:35
LuserN800SpeedEvil, well, if ~ is writable, then .ssh is erasable, accessible. or?00:35
DocScrutinizerstill if you set authorized_keys 744 it won't work00:35
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satmd.ssh 0700, the files within 040000:39
satmdand owner/group must match the account of the parent directory00:39
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LuserN800and there's a nice script that does the job, ssh-copy-id00:39
satmd'recommended' is too weak, imho00:39
satmd~ should not be world-writable00:40
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satmdand I doubt group-writable is a great idea00:40
SpeedEvilreboot - and it's back at 77700:40
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satmdmaemo5/n900? or another device?00:41
Take0ngood night folks00:41
LuserN800grep -r chmod /etc :)00:41
Take0nor morning/day/evening :P00:42
t-tandid you install the first Maemo virus??00:42
SpeedEvilLuserN800: doing that00:42
Take0nI will manage to port something :P00:42
SpeedEvilt-tan: I'm wondering if it's the nokia research tool thing that I've got installed.00:42
t-tanSpeedEvil: where can I find that?00:43
SpeedEvilyes it is.00:43
SpeedEvilThat's annoying.00:43
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satmdreport a bug, please00:43
SpeedEvilt-tan: I can't give it out I don't think00:43
t-tanok, what does it "investigate"?00:44
SpeedEvilt-tan: It basically tracks every program launch, icon touch, call (anonymised, ...)00:44
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jacekowskihow to check what's consuming the most of batttery?00:45
SpeedEviljacekowski: powertop can be of use00:45
SpeedEvilas can top00:45
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: now THAT's nasty!00:47
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: well - there is a payment involved.00:47
DocScrutinizerno payment can rectify a chmod on ~00:48
SpeedEvilI'm not doing anything I don't much care about the public knowing on a box I can drop in a puddle in the street.00:49
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: evidentally it's messing up your system, even unadvertedly and in a *very* braindamaged way00:52
DocScrutinizerand repeatedly00:52
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SpeedEvilyes. I agree.00:52
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SpeedEvilI however disagree about the no payment part.00:52
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SpeedEvilThough I am annoyed it wasted my - and also your time.00:53
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Arif_has anyone tried softvol in MPlayer?00:53
Arif_is it supposed to have any effect on KMPlayer ? :P00:54
SpeedEvilsoftvol is basically an additional volume control in software that changes volume by simply not outputting the full range of values.00:54
Arif_I'm trying to increase the volume in KMPlayer for streaming video00:55
Arif_but I haven't succeeded yet :(00:55
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DocScrutinizersoftvol is an attenuator, no booster00:55
DocScrutinizer100% is max00:55
SpeedEvilyou can use a compressor plugin00:56
Arif_complaining seems easier than finding out what you're talking about :)00:56
DocScrutinizercompander is a volume regulator to increase or lower volume differences00:58
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DocScrutinizerso in the non-limiting mode it could be used to e.g double the input volume at output00:58
SpeedEvilArif_: do you mean that the stream is considerably fainter than maximum volume?00:59
SpeedEvilArif_: or you're trying to make the maximum volume ouder.00:59
Arif_I'm trying to make the maximum volume louder00:59
Arif_as it's not very useful for videos :(01:00
Arif_or speech01:00
SpeedEvilyou can make the difference between soft and loud output less, you cannot boost loud output01:00
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* Arif_ doesn't know how though01:01
DocScrutinizerthere's a physical limit in the speakers and amp01:01
Arif_So basically my only option is to wait for an N9xx ? :)01:02
DocScrutinizeryou can't get any louder than the maximum they support01:02
pupnik_i would prefer a low cpu, lower volume alternative to save battery01:02
SpeedEvil-aop list=volume:softclip01:03
pupnik_in fact wou can play audio on N900 with half the cpu use of media player01:03
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SpeedEvilI wonder on01:03
Arif_FF says the 2nd link is unsafe :)01:04
Shapeshiftercan someone give me a hint hot to reset the data counter manually through gconf? (Apparently its gconf, someone said in here). I searched the gconf tree using gconftool -R / | grep -e "reset" -e "data" -e "count" but couldn't find anything relevant. Apparently I need to set the values to 0 and set the "last reset date" somewhere in there.01:04
SpeedEvilArif_: ignore it01:04
Pillumis there a way to open urls with xchat?01:04
SpeedEvilclick em01:04
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SpeedEvilwith a finger!01:05
SpeedEvilor your nose.01:05
SpeedEvilOr other pointed bits of integument.01:05
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Pillumi clicked it with my finger and my nose, but nothing happened01:05
DocScrutinizerseems to me I need to click&hold for context menu01:05
SpeedEvilyeah - maybe you need to hold a moment01:05
DocScrutinizerthen select "open in browser"01:06
SpeedEvildoes the link go blue?01:06
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pupnik_hmm? just need a convenient way to do it.  SpeedEvil which N900 free music/audio player would you most like to see have the battery saving option?01:06
Pillummom, for testing: http://google.de01:06
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Pillumits the same color as the text01:06
SpeedEvilpupnik: cat01:06
Arif_its the only player I use outside the built in one =D01:06
SpeedEvilPillum: where did you get your xchat?01:07
SpeedEviland this is on the n900?01:07
pupnik_Arif_: i could fix up kmplayer to do it most easily01:07
SpeedEvilpupnik: I question if the DSP couldn't do it at lower power.01:07
SpeedEvilmplayer would be as good.01:07
pupnik_i'll do some tests tomorrow to be sure i am not BSing01:08
DocScrutinizerPillum: click&hold for ~2sec. then select "Open Link in Browser"01:08
shamus How can I make links clickable instead of right click or ctrl+click?01:08
shamusType the following inside of XChat: /set gui_url_mod 001:08
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pupnik_nice link SpeedEvil -bookmarked01:08
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Pillummy xchat is from extras01:10
Pillumoh it worked01:11
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shamusthe set gui_url_mod worked?01:11
Pillumdidnt worked the first time, cause the display is too small01:12
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Pillumno not this01:12
SpeedEvil1pupnik: when looking at CPU, it can be misleading. mplayer using 50% is much less power at 250MHz than 50 at 600%01:12
Pillumdidnt tried this shamus01:12
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Pillumbut wait01:12
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DocScrutinizershamus: it accepts command, but doesn't change url click behaviour. Neither 0 nor 101:13
shamusyah xchat can be a pain01:13
shamusit dose in in the desktop built01:13
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Shapeshifterfiferboy: hey there; you told me that I could reset the data counter through gconf. I've been searching the gconf tree and google for a while now but I can't find the keys :|01:15
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Shapeshifterfiferboy: nevermind, I think I found them (searching for "tx"01:18
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Arif_the N900 can't cope with KMPlayer running and doing other things01:18
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fiferboyShapeshifter: Let me know if you need more info01:18
* Arif_ pets Nokia01:19
Shapeshifterfiferboy: mhh, I found /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes and the same for gprs_tx_bytes, but I can't see where to set the last reset date...01:20
Shapeshiftermaybe because I never reset it since I got the device...01:20
fiferboyShapeshifter: It should be in that same area.  I can't remember if it shows up before you do a reset.01:20
Shapeshifterfiferboy: if you have a device at hand, could you please have a look at gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS ?01:21
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Pillumthere is a gprs_reset_to e01:22
ShapeshifterPillum: ah thanks, that must be it. not set on mine01:22
Pillumlooks like time in seconds since 197001:22
ShapeshifterPillum: brilliant, thanks01:23
Pillumnp ;)01:23
SpeedEvilepoch fail.01:23
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Pillumi hate that limit, cause I cant set my parents correct birthday date01:25
Pillumthats so lame :(01:25
tremnite all, sweet dreams01:25
Pillumgood night, sweetie ;)01:25
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ponyofdeathhi im geting dpkg error processing wget (--configure) any ideas on how i can fix?01:28
pupnik_what command are you issuing?01:30
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DocScrutinizerset gprs_reset_time to the birthday of his parents? o.O01:32
ponyofdeathapt-get dist-upgrade01:32
ponyofdeathafter an apt-get update01:32
ponyofdeathseems its erroring out on post-install scripot returned error exit status 201:32
ponyofdeathi would dpkg --purge wget but i think thats a core package01:33
ponyofdeathused to download others :)\01:33
PillumDocScrutinizer: no :D but the calender works the same way ;)01:33
DocScrutinizerapt-get dist-upgrade is deprecated afaik01:33
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ponyofdeathwhat should i use i mean it was upgrading stuff01:34
Pillumhow can i autocomplete with xchat ?01:34
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DocScrutinizerPillum: so you can't enter a event on the birth of your parents?01:34
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Pillumyou got it ;)01:35
DocScrutinizerPillum: use contacts, add field "birthday", then in calendar enable "special dates" or somesuch01:35
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satmdmaemo5 has a calender type for dates01:35
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satmdtype 'smart', you can only have one of that kind01:36
satmdit was enabled on mine by default01:36
DocScrutinizersmart, that's it. not special dates01:36
* satmd supplements doc01:36
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Pillumim confused....01:36
DocScrutinizerPillum: ??01:37
satmdwith contacts, you can store a birthday01:37
DocScrutinizerPillum: create a contact for your father01:37
DocScrutinizercreate a new field, select "birthday"01:37
Pillumis it only possible with a contact?01:37
satmdthe calendar app has several calenders, one of them is specially for contacts' birthdays01:37
DocScrutinizerenter your father's birthday01:37
DocScrutinizerin calendar it'll show up01:38
satmdno, but that'd be the most straightforward01:38
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DocScrutinizer~ $ mdbus2 -ls;  then open cam slider... o.O01:41
DocScrutinizeractually dbus is *so much fun*01:41
DocScrutinizerespecially without decent docs of all signals and methods01:42
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Pillumthanks for the tip with the calender01:42
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Pillumhow can i use autocomplete with xchat01:43
Pillumthere is no tab key :)01:43
Wild_Doogyclick it?01:43
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Wild_DoogyI thought you meant like the autocomplete in the virtual keyboard. that one you have to click the rest of the word01:44
pupnik_i have autocomplete in irssi with ctrl+i01:44
Pillummdbus not found .... is this an optional app?01:44
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Pillumi just changed to xchat01:44
Pillumfor the nice gui01:44
SpeedEvilpupnik: I set it to shift-rightarrow01:44
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DocScrutinizerPillum: shift-space is preferred by most people01:45
pupnik_SpeedEvil: got any other good mappings for shift+arrows?01:45
TriztN900how do you get user list in xchat?01:45
pupnik_DBAC for some reason they give me those letters01:45
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: mark text?01:46
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pupnik_hmm.  i could also use copy/paste on kbd01:46
Pillumcontext menu->view->user list01:47
pupnik_ty SpeedEvil01:47
SpeedEvilpupnik: select - ctrl-c / ctrl-v works01:47
SpeedEvilThat also has window 0-9 on shift-blue-numbers01:47
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TriztN900Pillum: it's marked in the menu but still nothing01:48
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PillumTriztN900, there is also the normal irc way: /userlist01:49
DocScrutinizerTriztN900: probably it's set to size=0 in your config01:50
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Pillumthe userlist is left....usually01:51
DocScrutinizerI seem to remember RST38h tweaked it to hide...01:51
TriztN900okey, it may be the case as you say.01:52
TriztN900Pillum: jost that i'm old and forget those commands01:52
Wild_DoogyAnyone know what video codecs the N900 likes best?01:52
Wild_DoogyWhat should I convert my videos to?01:53
Pillumi think h.26401:53
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ShadowJKh264 baseline01:54
Pillumand the resolution must not be too high01:55
Wild_Doogyhmm it says on the wikithat youtube videos use H26401:55
Wild_Doogyyes, low res01:55
TriztN900yeah highres over nfs is painful01:55
Wild_Doogymy copy of transformers II gets like 10 FPS01:55
SpeedEvil3*4 pixels at 4fps.01:56
Wild_Doogyspeedevil: WOW???01:56
ShadowJK800x480 should be fine01:56
SpeedEvilWell - not really. youtube that is.01:56
PillumThe highest quality supported:01:56
SpeedEvilIT seems to approach it at times though01:56
Pillumresolution 800x48001:57
Pillumcontainer avi or mp401:57
Wild_Doogywell thanks very much guys01:57
Wild_DoogyI need to eat supper rightnow thoug01:57
Pillummpeg4 or h.264 max bitrate 500001:57
Pillumand aac or mp3 max 32901:58
Wild_Doogy--copy- -paste-01:58
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TriztN900time to work02:01
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Pillumgoing to bed, bye02:04
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corecodeis ther the terminus font for maemo?02:30
Arif_Ovi store needs Paypal support02:30
dassuI have never used ovi store and most likely will never do so02:30
Arif_Angry birds level pack 1!02:31
dassumaemo extras is a better solution imho02:31
dassuand free02:31
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Arif_and all the burp apps that'll be released02:31
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dassu:| never cared about mobile gaming02:31
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Arif_oh btw02:33
Arif_I have a %99 feeling that that level pack will be on warez sites within 1 week02:34
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Arif_as it's just a deb file being downloaded :P02:34
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Wild_Doogyme again~ can anyone recommend a video converter for Ubuntu?02:47
Wild_DoogyThat I can encode vidoes for my N900 with02:48
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pupnik_handbrake is popular02:49
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pupnik_there was also tablet-encode02:49
Wild_Doogywill look them up. thanks02:50
Arif_XviDs I downloaded mostly work on the N900 :D02:50
Wild_DoogyI have a .mkv02:50
Wild_Doogymovie is called Steamboy :-D02:50
Arif_ah, those usually won't02:50
Arif_Steamboy you say?02:51
Wild_Doogyyes awsome movie02:51
Wild_DoogyI want to play it for my family via the video cable02:51
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Wild_DoogyI hope thats easyer than making a DVD02:51
Wild_Doogycause that didnt work02:51
Arif_plug in the cables and you're good to go02:52
Wild_Doogywell yes, that part is easy, its getting it to playon the N90002:52
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Arif_if it's in your own house upnp is also an option02:53
Arif_but I don't know how to get that to work on Linux desktop :D02:53
Wild_DoogyUPNP as in streaming?02:53
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Wild_Doogythat could work!02:53
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* Arif_ is usually too lazy to re-encode :P02:53
ali1234you'd still have to convert it02:53
ali1234upnp just serves the same file over http02:54
Wild_DoogyVLC will get it on the network, but how do I catch  it with the N900?02:54
Arif_ali1234, there are upnp servers that transcode on the fly02:54
ali1234for linux?02:54
Arif_I don't use linux :P02:54
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Wild_DoogyArif_: you have a N900? cause then you do use linux  :-D02:55
Arif_I don't use linux on my desktop ;P02:55
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ali1234vlc can convert files too02:55
ali1234but i heard good things about handbrake02:55
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corecodewow where do all these crappy maemo apps come from, in the ovi store02:58
pupnik_it is simple to use, with decent cropping and dvd reading02:58
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Saviqhi all, any way I can get conversations to work with a self-signed certificate?02:59
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Wild_DoogyJust got tablet-encode03:02
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Wild_Doogyseems to be working great03:02
Wild_Doogyits encoding < realtime though :-(03:03
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orbarrondoes anyone know where I can find X11-->X.h in maemo5? app is looking for this but not sure where to find it03:07
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cehtehhey ... my n900 makes really strange internet connections ...03:15
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cehtehFeb 26 02:12:20 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC= DST= LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42471 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=003:15
cehtehFeb 26 02:12:22 starmaster kernel: 'PASS-unknown:'IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC= DST= LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=42472 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=53036 DPT=44326 WINDOW=7766 RES=0x00 ACK FIN URGP=003:15
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prontoneat, we can hax you now :D03:16
cehteh10.129.20.203  is *NOT* its configured IP03:16
prontoi didnt even look at it03:16
prontojust being non-useful03:16
cehtehone dest is a and another some dynip in germany03:16
cehtehwell thats somewhat fishy03:17
pupnik_hmm i seem to be losing ability to generate screen taps once in a while03:17
pupnik_sometimes requires reboot03:17
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ShadowJKcehteh, do you use skype?03:20
cehtehbut that are not skype connections03:22
cehtehand why does it grab a random IP?03:22
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ShadowJKoh that's a good question :)03:23
cehtehits in a subnet .. but tries to pretend being
ShadowJKack+fin set..03:23
cehtehwell this are firewall blocked packet03:23
* cehteh sets up his firewall anew, years of bitrot made it a bit unmanageable03:24
cehtehwell and one dest is .. i have a ovi account, is maybe ok (but why the strange source spoofing?)03:24
cehtehand the other one is a dynip on a german provider .. i have no friggn ovi contacts i am chatting with!03:25
ShadowJKI'd expect a great deal of funny crap from skype's p2p activities, especially the NAT-punching assistance it can do for two unrelated peers03:25
acidjazzMichael J Fox just holds his penis to masturbate.03:25
cehtehi can clearly see what skype tries03:25
ShadowJKnothing visible netstat on device?03:26
cehtehdidnt tried yet .. just plaing on the firewall03:26
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cehtehnothing visible now03:27
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* cehteh thinks he just cancels his ovi account... i dont use it for chat, sharing doesnt work 03:28
cehtehservers are often slow03:28
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pupnik_There is a US patent 5443036 for exercising a cat by pointing a laser pointer at the floor and wiggling it.03:30
corecodeis there also a patent for scaring crows?03:30
corecodeworks very well03:31
cehtehand guiding airline pilots to the ground?03:31
corecodepoint laser next to crow, will fly away03:31
corecodedidn't try other bird tho03:31
pupnik_i could use something to kill moles03:31
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pupnik_see. the government doesnt have to make rational sense.  they just take your money anywy, and create nonsense jobs.03:34
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crashanddieand non-sense rules03:37
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cehtehgrr .. why does openvpn terminate even when there is a fine connection?03:43
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homeasvs__I get an internal error when trying to load 'sharing' part of settings, and it crashes - anyone know what app binary that is so I can debug it, or how settings are stored ?03:48
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cehtehhomeasvs__: thats is a quite much plugin stuff architecture03:52
cehtehdid you uinstall some development plugins for sharing/telepathy/accounts whatever?03:53
homeasvs__possibly, not sure, I've been using it for a while now03:53
cehtehtry desinstalling what you dont need03:53
homeasvs__I prefer to learn the architecture.  No idea on the binary names, or where settings are stored ?03:54
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cehtehi didnt used it seriously, just tried to see if it works ..04:36
cehtehjust when i am not at home my wife can call me and ask for help04:36
cehtehshe one has the choice, linux with support or windows without .. she choosen linux :P04:36
cehtehso now i have to comply with that deal :]04:37
Wild_Doogyinteresting choise04:37
cehtehso .. tea  and then continue with firewall .. this stuff rot since 8 years or so, time to clean it up and rewrite :P04:40
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dassuhmm, has anybody got the internal media player to work on Maemo browser? O_o05:19
dassuI tried apple trailers05:19
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* dassu looks for it05:28
* dassu found mplayer plug-in for maemo 405:29
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dassu hmm, just installed the mplayerplug-in but can't seem to get quicktime to play :((06:21
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qgilgood "morning"06:30
luke-jrqgil: lrn2UGT06:31
qgilluke-jr you lost me now06:31
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qgilfunny! I already learned something today06:33
luke-jrpractical :p06:33
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dassuoke, so the mplayerplug-in definitely works but I still have problems with apple trailers06:47
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dassuNope it doesn't actually06:48
dassuno video06:48
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Sargun_Screenwhen do we get the cool features?06:49
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tank-manhe can dream07:25
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crashanddietank-man: if he used to be a pro, how come he didn't go for any specifics?07:27
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crashanddietank-man: even if the guy has stopped being a pro 10 years ago, he should still have a favourite manufacturer07:27
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crashanddieyo, channel08:47
crashanddiecan someone give me an nslookup of ?08:47
crashanddieThe sysadmin is trying to prove he's smarter than m e08:47
RST38hhe is.08:47
RST38hbecause he is the sysadmin08:47
crashanddiedoesn't prove anything08:48
crashanddieI can own him in ways ten times worse than anything he can do to me :P08:48
crashanddieHe's not even capable of spotting that I'm chatting on IRC over SSL...08:48
aziwoqpdNon-authoritative answer:08:48
aziwoqpdName:   xkcd.com08:48
crashanddiethat better not be the IP or lemonparty08:49
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crashanddieaziwoqpd: can you do as well?08:51
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RST38h"The list of people who were blown up or poisoned while trying to do so is impressive"08:53
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RST38h"I've seen one reference to storing it as a solid at 90 Kelvin for later use"08:55
RST38h(and the best part is, it is not from SCP Wiki)08:55
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lucentRST38h: nice find.09:02
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Hukka"Hydrogen sulfide, for example, reacts with four molecules of FOOF to give sulfur hexafluoride, 2 molecules of HF and four oxygens. . .and 433 kcal" Is there a typo in there?09:03
HukkaLike the k in front of the cal?09:03
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aziwoqpdmaybe that's per mole09:03
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Proteouskcal == kila calorie09:05
HukkaQuite explicitly does say just four molecules...09:05
aziwoqpd433 kcal/mol sounds reasonable09:05
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Proteouswhat channel is this again? :P09:05
HukkaProteous: #werebored09:05
tekojoHukka just don't try that at home09:05
Proteousthere was the mysterious ... part09:05
Proteousyou can hide anything in ...09:06
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Hukkatekojo: If there's no typo, I can see why it wasn't tried even at lab specialicing in violent explosions09:06
tekojofirst it stinks like hell and then you have a very potent acid that is used to etch glass09:06
HukkaProteous: It wasn't a quote09:06
HukkaProteous: It was more like a pause in verbum09:06
HukkaProteous: Yeah, dots mean missing words only in quotations09:07
tekojoyes, it looks like it would be a good explosion, and it most likely is per mole09:07
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HukkaNot sure if I'll be bored enough to check that. I usually don't deal with energies in units other than eV09:08
tekojoHukka where did you find that anyway?09:08
crashanddieanyway, leaving work, talk later09:09
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Hukkatekojo: RST38h's link a few lines above my comment09:11
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HukkaRST38h: That's a great blog, thanks09:23
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Shapeshiftertiemu hasn't been packaged for the n900, has it...10:09
Shapeshifteronly ati? I'd love to have a TI89 on the n900...10:10
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Wolfieiirc there are two TI-emulators... or there has been, at least10:11
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ShapeshifterWolfie: yeah there's tiemu for OS200810:12
ShapeshifterI'll try if the deb works on the n900.10:12
adeusati-85 rocks :)10:12
Wolfiei might've been looking at the extras-devel10:12
Wolfieand, the ones i tried didn't work all too well :)10:12
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Shapeshifteroh its in the repo actually10:15
Shapeshifteror no it is not10:15
Shapeshifterit's just apt being weird again10:15
Shapeshifterapt is soo weird.10:15
ShapeshifterI downloaded the .deb and did dpkg -i foo.deb. it failed because of lots of missing dependencies, and then I did apt-cache search tiemu2 and now it finds it. But its just the local package.10:16
ShapeshifterI don't get the logic behind apt at all.10:16
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Shapeshifterand it still keeps repeating that autoremove will uninstall vpnc, although I installed it manually10:17
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jacekowskiShapeshifter: it's not installed properly10:18
jacekowskiShapeshifter: if it failed on dependencies it's left unconfigured10:19
jacekowskiShapeshifter: you have to install dependencies for it and configure it10:19
Shapeshifterjacekowski: tiemu or vpnc?10:22
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jacekowskiShapeshifter: the one that failed on dependencies10:23
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Shapeshiftersure, tiemu got installed half way or so (again apt logic I don't get). But I added the repo now which contains tiemu2, and am trying to install the chinook version.10:23
Shapeshifterit even seems to work.10:23
jacekowskiShapeshifter: apt will install every program10:23
jacekowskiShapeshifter: and then it will decide if it's configurable or not10:24
Shapeshifterjacekowski: sure. I just think that makes little sense...10:24
jacekowskiShapeshifter: if it's not configurable because of missing dependencies it will stop leaving it in inconfigured state10:24
ShapeshifterI can live with that anyway10:24
jacekowskiShapeshifter: so you can fix your dependencies and configure it10:24
Shapeshifterjacekowski: I think that's overly complicated10:24
Shapeshifterwhy not just "not install" if there are missing dependencies. why even bother installing it if it wont work anyway10:25
jacekowskibecause you will install it anyways10:25
jacekowskiafter solving dependencies10:26
villagerShapeshifter: you can fix deps with "apt-get -f install" without dependencies10:26
villagerwithout arguments, I mean10:26
Shapeshiftervillager: no I can't if I installed the package with dpkg -i10:26
Shapeshifterbecause the dependencies are _missing_10:26
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villagerShapeshifter: so you don't have the deps in any available repo?10:27
Shapeshiftervillager: I didn't at that point. I now added an external chinook repo and it had the packages needed and it seems like tiemu2 is working more or less10:27
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villagerShapeshifter: if they are available, then apt will find them and download them, if you use the -f option like I said10:27
Shapeshiftervillager: I just installed it from the app manager.10:28
Shapeshifternevermind! there isn't any problem ;)10:28
villager-f is basically a "repair" option10:28
ShapeshifterImho, all this makes little sense and could just be left out completeley. keep it simple...10:29
villagerand you don't need to tell it which package to repair either, "-f install" just repairs any unconfigured package, if it can, regardless of how you installed it10:29
redis there any decent sources for N900 desktop backgrounds (the kind that loop 4 desks and not those retarded single desktop images every place is distributing)10:29
mecered, "loopable wallpapers"10:31
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redhah, most obvious choice10:39
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JaffaMorning, all10:47
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redhmm, my n900 been running real slow today and now theres 2x documents, camera, images etc in MyDocs10:48
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tybolltgit me some of that special 1.2 love now nookla!10:58
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tybolltyou know you want to10:58
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Stskeepsmorn wazd11:10
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jacekowskired: virus11:16
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mtdred: more than 32 files in one of those folders.  search for stuff like that on
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redmtd: more than 32 files in most of those folders and no probs before11:51
redguess ill try resetting the trackerd11:51
redwill be a pain to re-index ~20GB of stuff but beats having duplicates11:51
redsomehow I find it odd that this sort of bugs are still in11:51
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`0660i haven't seen a fool proof use of inotify yet11:53
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`0660i wonder if the problem lies in the kernel or the userspace applications11:54
redthe indexing is a retarded thing in any case11:55
redthere should be a way to set it on manual11:55
pupnik_red ++++11:55
redsup pupnik_? :p11:55
pupnik_coffee.  then going to stomp mole tunnels11:55
pupnik_hmm no first driving off trash11:56
redi just mariofied my n900 desktop11:56
redlooping super mario background, and positioned shortcuts, widgets ands bookmarks so that they would be on the playfield :>11:56
`0660i would prefer a situation in which i would have no idea of the indexing even happening11:56
red`0660: well if you are using the phone when indexing happends you will feel it11:57
redit's like running vista on a 500mhz pc with 512mb ram11:57
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`0660red, well, i would prefer to not feel it :)11:57
redid just like to be able to pick "play this folder & it's subfolders" from the media player :)11:57
redmediabox draws too much battery as a substitute player and skips alot11:58
hrw~curse 'headset button' driver11:58
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, 'headset button' driver !11:58
redit could index the id3-tags on play of the file or you could hit index11:58
red~curse native media player and stupid indexing11:59
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, native media player and stupid indexing !11:59
hrwred: in short:11:59
hrw~curse nokia maemo team11:59
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia maemo team !11:59
rednow that was a fitting insult!11:59
redhrw: as it usually is with "smart" players, they aren't smart enough and lack possibility to turn off those things12:00
redonly players with smartplaylists I've found decent were iTunes Genius (it really worked!) and XBMC media player where you can make XML based playlists "ignore folders with the word live" style of rules12:00
`0660i think it would be too confusing for end users to have to index files manually12:01
redthey are nice for not having to add each new piece of music into lists12:01
redbut instead work on excluding stuff u dont wanna hear on a particular list :)12:01
red`0660: for real, you saying on a linux phone it would be hard for a user to make subfolders for like "rock" "pop" "metal" and place their music under those appropriately?12:01
redi mean, this phone isn't for the teens wearing pink and giggling at the mall12:02
`0660i would sure like excluding live songs from default playlists somehow12:02
`0660i would rather spend time listening to music than organising it12:02
redif they ignore to do so, the default could still be like it works now12:02
redid still like a way to set it on folder style play and not how it is12:02
hrwred: I have /home/user/MyDocs/Media/Muza with few GB ordered by artists/albums/ and want it to be indexed. nevermind how but indexed12:02
hrwtoo bad that tracker do no index all12:03
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redI just put my music into .sounds/Genre/Subgenre/12:03
redand I'd like to be able to play via the "main" genres12:03
redcause my I have a vast collection all correctly tagged12:03
redso now I can't have a playlist with death metal, melodic death metal, progressive metal, trash metal12:04
redgotta pick one of those12:04
redeven thought they are all under a folder called Metal :)12:04
viukkisyou misspelled thrash :(12:04
redand same thing for Electronic music, and for some Rock with grunge, alternative etc12:04
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redviukkis: I do that every time :)12:04
redthink theres a corroded spot in my brain where that word is stored12:05
viukkismakes sense12:05
redonce again, tracker-processes --hard reset12:06
redheres to hoping ill have my library without duplicates for more than a week this time12:06
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redestimated time remaining: 4020min 30sec12:10
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cpscottiSomeone really knows how to add a screenshot for your app at; when the app IS in extras and all..12:13
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mikkovcpscotti: go to your product page and the page->edit12:17
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KhertanHello !12:33
KhertanI see that ovistore as now paid content12:33
Khertanis it now open to developpers ?12:33
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lcukKhertan, not sure think the process is the same as it was, but you can enquire and find out12:35
pupnik_Khertan: i suggest you spend some time with mame "Space Duel".  i think it is the non-plus ultra asteroids style game12:35
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Khertanpupnik_: Space Duel ?12:36
Khertannon-plus ?12:36
Khertanwhat did you mean ?12:36
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Khertanthx lcuk for anssias12:36
Khertanthx lcuk for answer12:36
pupnik_atari, early 80s.  coin op12:36
lcukpupnik, arcade joystick console with real coin mech12:37
Khertanmine is a clone of MineStorm ... on vectrex ... an 82 game :)12:37
lcukbluetooth + big screen12:37
pupnik_and a fine clone it is...12:38
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pupnik_our mame could use a lot of work12:39
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mecegaah.. Vulture's Eye is hogging my time!12:40
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pupnik_are the new colors better for you mece ?12:40
pupnik_if you didnt notice a change that is good also12:41
meceare there new colors?12:49
mecepupnik_, I just recently started playing it, so perhaps I've only seen the new ones.12:50
mecepupnik_, never played it before.12:50
pupnik_i think it works quite nicely.  takes some time to learnm of course12:50
meceyeah.. well I've played "some" nethack in my time ;)12:51
pupnik_if you care to, please take notes of ideas to make it easier to play12:51
mecepupnik_, do you develop it then?12:52
pupnik_i would consider making some patches12:52
mecepupnik_, ok. cool. Hey is there supposed to be sound?12:53
mecewell there is no sound on my device afaict.12:53
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xtIs there any way to send/recieve styles (think colored text) in IM protocols?13:05
* SpeedEvil hopes not.13:06
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midasn900 says no.13:06
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w00tn900 says 'colours make baby jesus weep blood'13:15
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: so, my mac panic'd trying to use zfs send13:27
timeless_mbpit seems that i have corruption on my hdd (surprise!)13:27
* timeless_mbp is now going to try to run zpool status/scrub from an opensolaris vbox13:28
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DangerMausheh hos you muck up zfs.. lol13:29
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homeasvs_anyone know where I could go look for source code of the facebook-sharing-service deb ?13:30
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SpeedEvilapt-get source packagename?13:30
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zaheermhomeasvs_, not sure it is free....13:32
homeasvs_zaheerm, me neither, which makes it harder to either fix it or remove the config so I can try again13:33
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zaheermhomeasvs_, settings, sharing accounts, ....13:36
zaheermallows you to delete your facebook account13:37
homeasvs_zaheerm, yeah, so yesterday that simply crashed settings, now after reinstalling facebook debs, it doesn't crash but it also doesn't show anything when I click facebook13:37
homeasvs_the flickr one does bring up a dialog13:37
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homeasvs_it doesn't look like those sharing plugin settings are stored in gconf either13:37
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zaheermi guess first file a bug in maemo bugzilla and then experiment a little with inspecting the binaries13:37
homeasvs_ok, found some clues, signond is involved13:42
homeasvs_perverse nokia, naming a file .xml and have it be binary ...13:42
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wazdheya all13:53
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meceooh.. samba in extras-devel. Nice.13:56
jo-erlendI'm a bit surprised by Maemos user policy. Why does it use a single user instead of a normal user and group strategy?13:56
jo-erlendand "user" seems to have a password set, but I don't know what it is. Is it safe to change it?13:56
viukkisit is intended for single user devices13:56
meceactually it's even in testing13:56
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mecejo-erlend, it has no password, and yes it's safe to set.13:56
meceat least I have a password, and no problems.13:57
jo-erlendcan I set it up for more than one user and via privileges decide who can access 3g and phone, for instance?13:57
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mecejo-erlend, yep.14:04
corecodei need a mode to silence IM/email during the night14:04
corecodenasty to be woken up by mail that arrives at 3:30 am14:04
corecodeanybody have a solution to that?14:04
jo-erlendmece, then I'd get a login screen on bootup, or do I have to install anything special for that also?14:04
mecejo-erlend, no login screen.14:05
Lynourecorecode: there is Silencer, that ought to set your phone to a silent mode for a specified time14:05
corecodeLynoure: yea, but then alarms won't work either14:05
mecejo-erlend, the phone will be exactly as before. only remote logins are affected.14:05
jo-erlendmece, ah, ok.14:06
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LynoureMy N900 keeps asking me to "Select connection" quite a lot, even if I don't choose to do any network stuff, despite me setting Internet connections->Connect automatically to Always ask14:06
LynoureThis is not quite what I thought "Always ask" would mean, though it pretty much asks always always (urgh)14:07
meceLynoure, well if you tell it to ask, why would you be surprised if it asks?14:07
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Lynouremece: any way to make it not poll for net all the time?14:07
SpeedEvildo you have any widgets on the desktop?14:07
Lynourethe battery drain this causes is significant14:07
meceLynoure, by disabling the thing that polls the net14:07
jo-erlendhey... In N900, I try calling a number of the form #1234*. Normally, that's sent as a query to the operator. But that doesn't happen in N900. Any ideas?14:07
Lynouremece: no setting for "only poll for net after asking me for an ok?"14:08
LynoureSpeedEvil: yes, weather widget.. which is set for manual update only14:08
meceLynoure, no there is no switch that forbids applications to ask for network access.14:10
Lynouremece: I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)14:10
LynoureIs there somewhere a setting for no phone and no wlan? Or for a plane, do I need to turn the device off?14:11
Lynoureah, there, found it.14:11
meceon a plane you use offline mode14:11
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SpeedEviljo-erlend: it's a bug. Tehre is an app - ussd-widget or something14:12
HukkaAlso during the night14:12
HukkaN900 really doesn't use much power without display or network14:12
meceDuring the night mine is plugged in the charger, so I wouldn't know.14:12
LynoureHukka: for the night I'd like the no-wlan mode14:12
LynoureHukka: because I still want to be there if my sister calls with anything urgent14:13
jo-erlendSpeedEvil, ussd-widget?14:13
HukkaLynoure: Or perhaps 2g only mode?14:13
mecebut umm..14:13
LynoureHukka: if there were one?14:13
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HukkaSure there is14:13
mece3g2gdual switcher and always ask does what you want.14:13
HukkaIn the settings take dual off14:13
HukkaLynoure: Certainly you have checked the ways your phone can be configured :?14:14
jo-erlendSpeedEvil, oh.. USSD is the name for those codes to be sent to the operator?14:14
LynoureHukka: öh14:14
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meceLynoure, I'm not sure I understand this: "I'm ok with the applications asking... just not the device trying to provide :)"14:16
LynoureHukka: I went though everything originally... But had a 3G deal with the phone company then.14:16
Lynouremece: you know, on linux there is a difference between e.g. pinging and connecting to a wlan14:16
HukkaLynoure: Well sure, I have too, but forcing 2g only can save battery14:16
Lynouremece: if the application asks to ping, but the system does not provice the wlan connection, it just fails14:17
HukkaQuite often the phone is on the brink of dropping from 3g to 2g, and then the constant reconnections can drain the battery14:17
HukkaOf course if the 3g is stable, then it just sits on the standby mode14:17
meceLynoure, oh. I see. Ok so we're talking about searching for wlan. There's an option in internet connections search interval. set it to never.14:17
LynoureHukka: pretty solid 3g for me, so far14:17
Lynouremece: hmm, I have not found it. Where?14:18
meceinternet connections.14:18
mecesettings -> internet connections.14:18
Lynouremece: Yes, but not the Connect Automatically?14:18
mecethe first screen14:18
meceif you have always ask, it will not poll.14:18
HukkaSorry for pimping, but all the finns wanting to join and give me points (and save the planet!), I have invites :)14:18
Lynouremece: it does.14:18
Lynouremece: like I said in the beginning.14:19
mecehow do you know?14:19
Lynouremece: because that's how I have it set :(14:19
meceare you monitoring it somehow??14:19
Lynouremece: I know because it asks me "Select connection" pretty much every time I switch the display on14:19
Lynourethat's enough monitor to see it :/14:20
meceOk, right. So the problem is that you have an application that wants to connect every now and then. or all the time, and when it tries that, the dialogue asks which connection to use, and to do that it has to poll for wlan?14:21
jo-erlendreally nice to use a/v with google talk, except I think it's a bit heavy for n900. It became completely unresponsive when I minimized it and tried to launch other apps.14:22
jo-erlendbut it works very nicely. No setup at all :>14:22
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Lynouremece: would be nicer if it just asked if I want this activitity to get network automatically. But that's santaclausing14:23
meceLynoure, and then disconnect afterwards or..?14:23
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meceLynoure, I mean always ask means just that. Always ask.14:24
Lynouremece: always ask would be ok too14:24
meceLynoure, that's what it does, but you don't want that.14:24
Lynouremece: always poll for wlans, that's what annoys me14:24
meceLynoure, ok, there's a wlan switcher available somewhere.14:25
nid0its in testing, works fine14:25
nid0disables wlan entirely unless you re-enable it14:25
nid0the connection screen will just give you non-wlan connection options with it disabled14:25
Lynourenid0: ooh :) Can't wait. (or I can, but you get the sentiment...)14:26
nid0its well worth enabling testing to grab it if you want to use it14:26
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nid0then vote it up in the qa queue if you're happy with it, to get it into extras for others to use14:26
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Lynourenid0: I do have extras-devel active... what's the thing called?14:27
mecenid0, what's it called14:27
nid0its in extras-testing, not devel14:27
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nid0Wifi Switcher 0.0.614:27
mecenid0, he means that he's not afraid of testing, since he already has devel.14:27
meceor she?14:27
nid0current version wont (shouldnt) get into extras though, as it has no bugtracker link14:28
nid0and the author's on holiday14:28
nid0but iv been using it a couple of weeks and had 0 problems14:28
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Lynouremece: he or she is fine. Female, but way attached to gender neutral pronouns as that's all my native tongue has.14:29
LynoureSeems I can also get the behaviour I want if I make Connect automatically -> Always, then it lets me set Scan interval -> Never, and then Connect always -> Always ask14:30
Lynouremece: hän, yes.14:30
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LynoureWith this combo network things just fail quietly, but I can manually connect to a wlan if that's what I want14:31
Lynoure(or so it seemed with quick testing, hmm, but not with further testing)14:32
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meceLynoure, when producing a list of available connections with the always ask options, it then scans, regardless of your interval apparently.14:33
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Lynouremece: makes sense, for that... no sense giving an expired list14:34
nid0still no details on powermat batteries /wrists14:36
HukkaIt could just ask wether to search at all14:36
meceLynoure, anyway, the wlan switcher disables this battery eating problem, if you consider it a problem.14:36
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meceHukka, yes that would be ideal imo.14:37
nid0using the wlan switcher has made a big difference to me, if it's battery you're trying to improve14:37
LynoureHukka: that's exactly what I was kind of expecting14:37
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mecefor powersavers btw, this: is pretty sweet14:37
nid0compared to having wifi connected constantly (but idle, with power saving mode enabled, and transmitting at 10mw) disabling wlan entirely has almost doubled my battery life14:37
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Lynouremece: thanks14:39
mecenid0, well there is naturally a huge difference between being online and not, regardless of wlan enabled or not.14:40
nid0that difference is massive though, other phones iv ever used totally disabling idle wlan over leaving it connected and idle with power saving active is only a 10-20% power saving14:41
nid0rather than 100%14:41
mecenid0, did you have the wlan drain bug?14:42
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nid0not that I know, and the difference is the same post 1.1.114:42
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nid0with my usage with wifi connected but mostly idle, I get a shade over 24 hours of battery life. using wifi switcher to disable wlan when its not actively used, im at around 48 hours, with nothing else changing14:43
mecepretty much as I have experienced every phone with internet options I've had.14:44
mecestay offline -> double (or more) batterylife.14:44
nid0certainly coming from an e90 I never had remotely that difference, with it connected to wifi 24 hours a day that phone would last 4-5 days quite happily, with wifi disabled other than when in use it'd add an extra day at best14:45
meceI've heard people claim that it only takes 20% more to be connected and idle, but It's bs afaict14:45
jo-erlendhow do I record phone conversations on n900? I installed "Recorder" and it does record audio, but it doesn't record the actual conversations. Any ideas?14:45
nid0htc's hd2 doesnt seem to have much difference between wifi connected and not either14:45
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hrwin power use?14:46
nid0jo-erlend - there's an app in extras for recording calls14:46
hrwwifi chipsets are better and better14:46
hrw3g gsm takes more power14:46
nid0ah yes and my figures are with 2g only :>14:46
Lynourejo-erlend: try recaller14:46
Lynourejo-erlend: I have it installed, have not given it a try yet14:47
mecenid0, but we're talking about wlan, not gprs14:47
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nid0I know, I was just pointing out that my 24/48 hour battery lives with wlan enabled and idle/disabled are all with 2g only14:48
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threshtowel, you mean towel.14:48
nid0got one plenty in range, but <24 hour battery life makes baby nidO cry :(14:48
mecenid0, do you know exaclty how "idle" your wlan is then?14:48
Arif_morning, btw :P14:48
hrwArif_: what is a use of 3G when you have wifi in range...14:49
Arif_wasting your battery ? :D14:49
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nid0mece, outside of the times it's being actively used it's doing nothing, I tested it with all auto syncs/fetches disabled14:49
jo-erlendnid0, you mean deb freemandle free non-free?14:49
jo-erlendnid0, or should I enable another repo?14:49
nid0so in a 24 hour battery life run it's maybe actively being used for an hour when i'm doing things with the phone, and doing zero for the remaining 2314:50
Arif_I get about 3 days use with only 3G on when I need it14:50
* hrw -> food14:50
Arif_and that's about 3 hours of radio streaming and maybe 1 hour of video streaming a day14:50
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nid0jo-erlend thats the extras repo yeah, it should already be on the device and just need enabling in HAM14:50
* X-Fade hands jo-erlend a -e14:51
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X-Fadejo-erlend: fremantle ;)14:51
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* Arif_ found some old simcards today :D14:51
jo-erlendX-Fade, yes, I saw that later. I didn't bother correcting it, as everyone would know which one I was talking about anyway. :)14:51
jo-erlendArif_, they14:52
jo-erlendArif_, they're good for guitar picks! :)14:52
* Arif_ plays saz :P14:52
jo-erlendindeed. :)14:52
jo-erlendArif_, like this one?
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Arif_that one :D14:53
Myrttisudo make me a cup of tea14:53
Arif_Myrtti, acces denied14:53
nid0app manager <> calculator need to swap places in the menu tbh.14:53
Arif_I have Turkish tea if you want :D14:54
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DocScrutinizermake: *** No rule to make target `me'.  Stop.14:55
* Arif_ hits DocScrutinizer over the head with a timble14:56
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jo-erlendLynoure, I installed it, but I'm not able to add it to the desktop.14:57
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nid0if thats recaller, I think it needs a reboot to show up properly14:57
Lynourejo-erlend: I cannot remember how I added it.14:58
Arif_add a widget?14:58
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LynoureArif_: I mean after a reboot or no, or as add widget or add launcher (as the thing is tiny)14:58
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LynoureI guess it's widget14:59
Arif_it just appeared on the desktop for me14:59
Arif_and yes, it's a widget14:59
LynoureBut, now off to the gym...15:00
Arif_though I have no idea where it saves the recordings and in what format15:00
Arif_it needs settings!'15:00
DocScrutinizeradded widgets have annoying habit to hide behinde others15:00
DocScrutinizerupper left corner a good spot to search for them15:01
Arif_they usually appear wherever's empty15:02
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Arif_and if the desktop is full it jumps to the next screen for some odd reason :P15:02
DocScrutinizerhmm, not for me15:02
Arif_and when you try to move it all widgets dissapear and the desktop edit mode crashes15:03
DocScrutinizerheh, I made my desktop crash loopbooting, when I tried to move foreca to another screen15:03
DocScrutinizerhad to reflash :-P15:04
Arif_mine only went blank and I had to readd everything15:04
Arif_oh well15:04
Arif_maybe we'll have a stable OS in Maemo 915:04
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DocScrutinizermost likely not15:05
DocScrutinizeras maemo9 won't happen15:05
tybolltI'll settles for maemo6, dude ;)15:06
hrwArif_: Turkish tea? I want a cup of it - with sugar15:06
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* Arif_ DCCs hrw some tea15:09
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hrwthe good thing in guadec2008 was Turkish tea and coffee15:14
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w00ttoday seems like such a quiet day15:16
hrwweekend starts soon15:17
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w00thave I messed up my email, or has maemo-dev been quiet the past day?15:17
DocScrutinizerfriday afternoon. Feel happy as long as all stays quite15:17
w00tooh, I messed it up15:17
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Arif_hrw, I can do the catering(sp?) if you give me enough money :P15:18
* DocScrutinizer wonders if someone has grabbed the new info on branch instructions he dropped on LED_patterns lately15:19
wazdsymbian ^4 UI :D15:19
* Arif_ thinks DocScrutinizer should write a GUI application to edit LED patterns15:19
mecetmo down?15:19
wazdnooo, seriously15:20
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Arif_it is15:20
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* hrw|gone -> off15:21
meceup again.15:22
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DocScrutinizerArif_:  "A. Command compiler software is available with the evaluation kit."
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* Arif_ blinks15:25
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DocScrutinizerbasically I guess a gifted C coder can turn cpp into a LP5523 compiler by definition of 2 dozen macros, in less than 1 hour15:31
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DocScrutinizerthat's not me though ;-P15:31
Arif_Basically I have no idea what you're talking about ;)15:32
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DocScrutinizerI'm talking bout creating a *very* simple macro assembler (this is _no_ compiler after all)15:33
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rzrany defect usb owners ?15:46
rzri think it would be helpful to report the build dates on
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Arif_why is a 3€ product 3$ in the US store16:17
Stskeepscos 3.27 doesn't look pretty16:17
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Arif_it should be at least 4$ there16:18
Arif_or even better16:18
Arif_it should be 2,20€ here16:18
cos^Stskeeps: 3.30 would be good16:19
Arif_3 eur=4,06 usd16:19
Arif_3 usd=2,21 eur16:19
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Andy80I really don't understand this...16:23
Andy80and I'll never buy at these conditions :P16:23
Andy80price should be the same16:23
Arif_I can't even buy anything16:23
Arif_I have no CC :D16:24
Andy80and... in particular16:24
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Andy80I know that 1€ = 1,4$16:24
pupnik_Lets try to avoid puting16:25
Andy80the average people here earn 1000€/month, in USA I don't think they earn 1000$/month!16:25
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Andy80sorry :)16:25
* Arif_ throws warez at pupnik_16:25
zashconsumer price index!16:27
pupnik_there is a nice channel called ##economics on this network.  It is one of my favorite channels.16:27
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zashis there also a #economics_is_stupid ?16:28
Arif_doese it have people moaning about prices too?16:28
KMFDMdoes it regularly have socialism vs. laissez-faire capitalism vs. neoliberal capitalism debates?16:29
Arif_communism ftw?16:29
zashdigital communism ftw!16:30
KMFDMparecon ftw!16:30
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Andrewfblack_Anyone know if a build of nginx has been done for Maemo5?  Or if version for Diablo will work?16:35
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rzrKMFDM: yea "rip the system"16:46
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GAN900Hey, if you don't want to pay a lot for consumer goods then you shouldn't practice socialism.16:47
N900evilor dumpsterism16:48
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rzrGAN900: depends what you consider by paying16:50
rzrbreathing intoxicated air is paying somehow ...16:51
GAN900Ew, why am I getting Hildon Notes for highlights?16:51
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GAN900rzr, and socialism somehow reduces polution?16:52
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rzri didnt say that16:52
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rzrbut cheap products = waste16:52
rzrand waste = pay !16:52
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rzrso dont focus only on money ...16:52
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GAN900Whatever, it's offtopic16:53
rzrwe're 200% agrea on that :)16:53
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rzrand who fire first ?16:53
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GAN900No idea16:56
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mtdany idea if one can somehow make all clicks draw some small, faded-out-over-time indicator on the screen?16:58
mtdthere are plenty of times I'm sure I've hit the screen appropriately so as to trigger a widget, but it doesn't trigger.  I repeat and it behaves as expected.16:58
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ali1234i get that too :/16:59
nid0thats resistive screens for you16:59
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ali1234yeah. it is registering the press because it vibrates17:00
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ali1234it just isn't registering the location17:00
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ptlwhat do you guys use for protecting your N900? Like Zagg InvisibleShield™ or Vikuiti?17:08
nid0nothing on my screen, and a leather case to carry it in17:08
zap_anybody knows the equivalent of asm("int $3") on ARM?17:09
zap_I tried asm("bkpt") but for some reason CPU usage goes to 100% but it doesnt break17:09
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Shapeshifterptl: vikuity cleartec scratches quickly17:14
Shapeshifterbut has a good feel17:14
Shapeshifterbuy a 5 pack17:14
ShadowJKsounds same as durasec cleartec then17:16
ShadowJKalso 5pak :)17:16
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fcrozatptl: Brando ultraclear17:18
SpeedEvilptl: cheap ebay protector17:18
wazdfucking e63 headset bug, I hate you17:19
* nid0 longs for the day screen protectors are no longer needed17:19
* SpeedEvil longs for the day screens are no longer needed.17:20
nid0my longing's realistic though, crossing fingers for a year or two max17:20
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mtdali1234: indeed17:22
ptlBranco ultraclear? I'll google for it17:23
fcrozatptl: IIRC17:23
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DocScrutinizeris there any solution around yet for the problem of ts going to catch random erratic clicks when inbound call activates screen while device in pocket?17:25
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nid0put said device in hard-fronted case is the only current solution, afaik17:26
DocScrutinizerthis is actually what I have here, still not satisfactory17:27
nid0odd, iv never actually had any keys accidentally pressed with mine living in it's leather case17:27
ptlis the turning on and off of the screen linked to the touch sensitive matrix by hardware or by software?17:27
DocScrutinizerdialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than apps17:27
ShadowJKThe benefit of screen protectors seem to be that you can swap them when they get too scratched :-)17:27
DocScrutinizers/than apps/than buttons/17:28
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: dialer app really should learn to use sliders rather than buttons17:28
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nid0tbh the call problem seems like it should be really easy to fix though, it doesnt need to be sliders even17:28
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you can swap the touchpanel as well :-P17:28
nid0whats wrong with just keeping the screen deactivated when the proximity sensor picks up your pocket17:28
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nid0and only have the screen activate when the proximity reading's gone (ie phone's out of your pocket)17:29
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, sure, but the touch window assy is like 60E and lots of tiny fiddly bits17:29
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nid0unscratchable glass is the answer17:29
zapAlso, does anybody know a way to debug Control Panel applets?17:29
ShadowJKthere's no such thing as uncratchable..17:29
DocScrutinizernid0: brilliant17:29
nid0there is when you mean in all practical senses of the word17:30
ShadowJKOr rather, if unscratchable glass exiss, I want it on my car :)17:30
nid0go get your car refitted with gorilla glass17:30
nid0i've played with a sheet of it recently, and you have to *literally* take a knife to it, hard, to scratch it in any way17:30
ShadowJKoh like when scraping ice off of it? :-)17:31
glassdoes it take sandstorms17:31
DocScrutinizerdiamant coating is the answer :-D17:31
nid0shitty plastic ice scaper thing != knife17:31
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glassDocScrutinizer: full diamond windows17:32
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fralsJaffa: had time to patch python-evolution yet?17:32
DocScrutinizer(actually done by special carbon vaporization in vacuum)17:32
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nid0 - take a watch17:33
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zapIs control panel source code available somewhere? There used to be a public SVN at which is now gone17:33
ShadowJKis it on
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GAN900Offtopic: anybody have some good links for a networked home surveillance system?17:35
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cbrakewhere is the best place to get the n900 kernel source?17:35
cbrakeI found where it can be downloaded using sdk17:35
cbrakeStskeeps: so no git repo or anything like that?17:36
zapShadowJK: I looked there but I can't find control panel17:36
Stskeepscbrake: correct, sadly17:36
zapit was in old SVN though17:36
DocScrutinizerGAN900: ?17:36
Stskeepszap: use as a guide17:37
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ptljust ordered pdair rubber with screen protector17:37
Andy80anyone of you knows how to modify/add webpages in a garage project? I mean... how can I customize
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X-FadeAndy80: Put the web pages in the www dir in your svn/git.17:38
zapStskeeps: thank you very much, found it17:38
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Andrewfblack_Stskeeps: I just moved your post about using MADDE to build themes to wiki got tired of googling to find it lol17:40
Andy80X-Fade: just static pages are supported or even dinamic one?17:40
X-FadeAndy80: Only static.17:40
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FIQyay N900! :D17:40
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FIQi have xchat, i'm going to download a few emulators, but17:41
FIQis there a ftp-client for maemo?17:41
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Andrewfblack_FIQ: yes17:42
Andrewfblack_atleast 2 I know of17:42
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tybollt%!%)"(%)"#(=(!%)= HAM17:43
tybolltask me to update packages and then on update half of the packages "don't exist" wtf?17:43
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, thanks.17:44
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DocScrutinizercosts more than gold, but really rigid quality17:45
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ptlCan I run JBoss on my N900?17:46
tybolltbad ptl bad!17:47
tybolltstop doing that17:47
* ptl bad :(17:47
tybolltptl: Just kidding.17:47
ptlI wonder if I could make a beowulf cluster of N900s!17:47
tybolltptl: I can't for the life of me understand why you would use such a pig on the N900 but if the memmory constraints is not stopinf you - why not?17:48
tybolltptl: Wow how many N900 have you got?? :)17:48
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ptlonly 117:49
ptlI dunno17:49
ptljust doing some brainstorm17:49
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ptlmaybe we find a use for distributed use of mobile devices17:49
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hrwptl: for what?17:50
hrwthere are better choices for making buildfarm for native builds17:50
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ptlI dunno, just exploring with some thought experiments17:51
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ali1234ptl: OBS is all the rage for distributed cross building17:51
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ali1234it's what meego will use17:51
ptlOpensuse Build System17:52
ali1234hope you know your way around opensuse though, if you want to use it17:52
ptlI don't17:52
ptlnever used...17:52
hrwali1234: you do not need opensuse to use obs17:52
mgedminis it actually suse-specific?  I've heard rumours that it can build packages for distros like Debian too17:52
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ali1234hrw: the server can only be installed on opensuse or centos17:53
mgedminI always assumed it was just a branding thing, sort of like Ubuntu One not really being ubuntu-specific17:53
ali1234hrw: unless you build it from source17:53
ali1234you don't need opensuse/centos to run the client, but the client wont operate without a server, so you either need opensuse to run the server, or you need an account on novell's OBS server, in which case you can only build against the distros they have available17:54
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hrwoh.. disaster...17:54
* hrw prefers OpenEmbedded anyway17:54
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ali1234openembedded sucks18:00
DocScrutinizerptl: we at OM considered to build the largest mobile beowulf cluster out of all the FR collecting dust on the shelf ;-) Just a fun idea18:00
ali1234i'd rather just learn opensuse once than be forever writing OM recipes18:00
ali1234i mean OE18:01
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ptlThis seems like a revival for suse18:01
ptlOk, I can dig into opensuse, but please don't start using mono on Maemo ;)18:02
DocScrutinizerMONO, waaaaaahhhh18:04
DocScrutinizerwindows .net idiots compatibility layer18:05
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tybolltoh and guys we need NDIS wrapper as well \o/ \o/ \o/18:06
DocScrutinizersorry for explicit speech18:06
mgedminbecause there are so many different wireless cards you could install in your n900, yeah18:06
tybolltmgedmin: ? Usb wifi cards - for sure? :)18:07
mgedminbecause the n900 supports usb host mode sooo well18:07
tybolltit doesn't?18:07
DocScrutinizertybollt: sure, with the great usb hostmode support N900 got18:07
tybolltshrug I never bothered to check actually :)18:07
tybolltso it doesn't do usb host?18:07
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DocScrutinizernope, as for now18:08
mgedmintybollt, was I on the moon when the n900 host mode support got announced?  all I know is people alternately saying "NO" and "maaaaybe, if I could get my hands on a n900 and a soldering iron"18:08
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DocScrutinizerrumor has it it lacks hw support for it18:08
mgedminthe usb chip supports it but the leads aren't connected or something like that18:08
pupnik_how about learn how to do make something useful for maemo?18:09
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DocScrutinizerbasically the most important thing is whether it has USB-VBUS power supply, or not18:09
DocScrutinizerthen it's also unclear if you can switch the PHY chip to hostmode18:10
tybolltbreaks it down pretty good18:10
pupnik_putting people on ignore helps you reduce scroll-off of useful comments18:10
ali1234does anyone know how n900 etc xorg hides the mouse pointer?18:11
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pupnik_ali1234: all pointers are symlinked to a transparent pointer18:11
ali1234that's no good for what i need18:11
pupnik_i have visible pointer here with my own pointer substituted for transp18:12
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ali1234say i run vnc on NIT, connect it to vncserver on my desktop18:12
ali1234i will see a mouse pointer from the remote desktop18:13
ali1234but that's pointless and annoying on a touchscreen18:13
pupnik_i like seeing the pointer.  helps target links18:13
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The_Tall1Hi there. I just tried to install the pythonlibrary rdflib. But it faild due to the installed gcc. Is there another way to port this python module?18:26
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Andrewfblack_Can some people look at and give me your option on my idea?18:27
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c|onemanwow really, maemo is this popular?18:28
ptlis witter optified?18:30
MohammadAGptl afaik yes18:30
b-man17c|oneman: what you see on this channel is only 4% of the community, if that18:31
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c|onemanI can't imagine what will happen when more than 1 phone actually runs it18:32
Andrewfblack_their are 35k members on talk so this isn't that much18:32
MohammadAG1.59% b-man17 :p18:32
c|onemanwhat's talk?18:32
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Brendan[BP]Andrewfblack thats a pretty sweet idea18:32
Andrewfblack_and their are lots that are Mailing lists that don't use talk18:32
bohciaohi everybody, anyone from italy? :)18:33
Andrewfblack_Brendan[BP]: I just need a programmer to make it happen18:33
MohammadAGc|oneman, well technically the 770, N800, and the N810 ran maemo18:33
Brendan[BP]Andrewfblack wish i could help, i only program in F# and to programmingfu isnt fantastic at the moment18:33
viukkis770, N800 and N810 weren't phones though18:34
Andrewfblack_Brendan[BP]: just go learn C++ and QT real quick lol18:34
Andrewfblack_Or python18:34
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Brendan[BP]Andrewfblack hehehehe im really interested in learning QT, ive got all the stuff to do it on the old pc... :p just actually getting around it it hahah... if only i wasnt capped right now... :(18:35
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Brendan[BP]ptl its a functional programming language18:36
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ptlfunctional programming languages are weird.18:36
lcukAndrewfblack, no18:37
Brendan[BP]hahahha amen to that!18:37
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Andrewfblack_lcuk: don't like the idea?18:37
Brendan[BP]lcuk, no??18:37
lcukthats my first impression anyway18:37
lcuki considered similar for liqbase stuff18:37
lcukits ok if you have data files only18:38
lcukbut arent those slider things apps?18:38
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Andrewfblack_lcuk: nope just data files in theme folder18:38
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lcukAndrewfblack, maybe then :P18:38
Andrewfblack_all the stuff I talked about are just files in the theme folder18:38
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Andrewfblack_all the needs to do is list the theme element packages, download the one you want and unpack and over write old files.18:39
* tybollt does the "show me the money" dance from Jerry Maguire but instead chants "show me the 1.2!"18:39
tybollt1.2 for the people18:39
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lcukAndrewfblack, and how do you recover after reflashing/restoring18:42
tybolltspeedy: Huh? No 1.1.1 for you yet?18:42
Andrewfblack_lcuk: how do I recover personally I run my backup or you talking about theme program?18:42
lcukcurrently dont themes come via HAM and then get enabled18:42
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Andrewfblack_lcuk: after a reflash you just download program again and pick the elements you want again18:43
Brendan[BP]thats the only way it would be possible anyway18:43
Andrewfblack_this program wont can't any default theme it will come with its own custom theme that all changes will be made to18:43
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Andrewfblack_lcuk: I don't see whre a reflash would really hurt anything jsut have to setup what you want again18:45
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lcukAndrewfblack, the problem is reproducability and uber coolness.  i like the idea but its implementation would be tricky and non reproduable18:48
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lcukwhat if, you did like dell18:48
lcuktheme-maker style18:48
lcukthe website offers basic theme18:48
lcukthen you modify it18:48
lcukand at the end you are given url for new theme18:48
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italianma esiste una chat anche per gli italiani? io l'inglese lo so da schifo :(18:50
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lcukAndrewfblack, that could be done without any on device code, and full complete reproduability18:50
lcukbecause theme_20100226_lcuk was the only one generated by me at that time18:50
Andrewfblack_lcuk: your idea would take masive web scripts to rebuild theme from your choices.  I don't understand what is tricky about have a bunch of zip file on webserver that program downloads and unzips into theme folder18:51
Vanadisif i pay for the extra levels of angry birds and have to reflash my phone18:51
Vanadiscan i download the game another time without paying?18:51
ptlitalian: provare a utilizzare Google Translate per capire cosa dice la gente qui18:51
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italianptl: thanks a lot :)18:52
Vanadisoh wait, nevermidn18:52
Vanadisfuck ovi store -> i don't have a credit card18:52
Andrewfblack_also don't know what you mean by non reproduable if you want to reproduce it jsut redownload the packs you had before18:53
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lcukAndrewfblack, when i need to backup/restore my data, everything comes back as i left it - without having to reselect anything - thats all i mean.18:54
lcukdont worry tho, you are right it would work18:54
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hrwVanadis: should be able to18:56
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Andrewfblack_lcuk: that is true but the scripts for the server would be much harder to write and then you would have to install theme with xterm.  My idea is much more user friendly18:56
hrwanyway I did not passed 1st set of levels18:56
lcukAndrewfblack, i thought themes came in debs and from app manager?18:57
Brendan[BP]user friendly is what we want18:57
Andrewfblack_lcuk: this wont be install a whole new theme each time just part that will over ride the file in the theme included with program.  So if you want new text colors this program would download the color.css file and over ride it.18:58
Andrewfblack_Or if you want the pacman lockslider it will only download those files and override them18:59
Andrewfblack_then you select the theme that comes with program and you have just those changes18:59
* w00t wanders in18:59
Andrewfblack_If you want to go back to programs default on part of it.  The program and do that as well because I will have the defaults on server19:00
Andrewfblack_Lunch time we can pick this up after that19:00
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shinkamuiwhat does that F stand for in AndrewFBlack19:07
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* w00t grumbles at gender-neutral names19:10
lcuklike "w00t"19:10
w00ttexrat just called me a she :(19:11
lcukhe wasnt far wrng then :p19:11
w00ti'm going to come to manchester and test my accelerometer by bouncing my n900 off your head in a minute :p19:11
lcukfeel free19:12
lcukive got more ammo than u19:12
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mgedminI know many people who would be very happy to have n900s thrown at them19:12
w00tI've got a bunch of crappy winmo phones I could throw first :-)19:12
w00t(and they'd hurt more, they're heavy)19:12
mgedminprovided they could keep the n900 in question afterwards19:12
lcuklol mgedmin a flaw in my plan19:12
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ml-mobilebe sure to start n900fly before throwing19:12
lcukn900fly doesnt cut it in this instance19:13
lcuknot interested in the flight path19:13
lcukits the damage vector19:13
ml-mobileaccelerometer should be able to measure sudden deceleration19:13
lcuki asked earlier if qt has interfaces to railguns19:13
lcukfor n900orbit app19:13
w00tml-mobile: yes!19:13
lcukof course ml-mobile19:14
ptloh, shit. I can't believe someone actually did that.19:16
MohammadAGquestion, if I move a .ko file into /lib/modules/<currentkernel> shouldn't it load on startup?19:17
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ptlI apologize for the swearing. But if you see the video you'll do the same.19:17
hrwhave a nice rest of day19:18
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ptlMohammadAG: only if the device to which it refers is used19:18
ptlor if it is on the automatically loaded modules list19:18
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mgedminptl, the boy would need a bagful of spare batteries to do all that in the forest19:18
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ptlmgedmin: I thought that too, lol19:19
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MohammadAGptl kk ty :)19:20
ptlis there any midp emulator for maemo?19:21
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ptla friend of mine is asking19:21
ptlhe's thinking about buying a N90019:21
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ptlI just asked your question here. :)19:23
ptlhey nfermat19:23
nfermathi ptl19:23
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mschrhi all :-D19:24
ptlno one knows about midp on maemo?19:24
ptlnfermat: I found that:
greenflyyou mean like midpssh?19:24
* Arif_ burps19:25
* mgedmin heard of MIDs as a generic term of devices larger than a nokia tablet but smaller than a netbook, but /me doesn't know midp19:25
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ptlgreenfly: yes, running midp applications19:26
ptlmgedmin: not MIDs, midp, Java Micro Edition19:26
Arif_midp=java crap19:26
greenflyptl: no java19:26
greenflyptl: but java is less necessary since you can write programs in c, c++, python, or even bash19:27
ptllegacy support might be desirable for some people19:27
Arif_yeah we'll get useless apps like on Android :D19:27
Jaffafrals: Nope19:28
ptlbut it's not me who's asking... I don't use midp for a long time. it's my friend nfermat that needs it19:28
ptlanyway, yeah, I'd love if the N900 had as much useless apps as the Android19:28
ptlthis is a great appeal to prospective buyers.19:28
Arif_we need an apple appstore port19:28
nid0some useless apps are also in fact useful!19:29
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ptluseless apps are great. I'd love an accelerometer-beer-glass-simulation app19:29
ptlbecause I can use it to show off to girls, it makes them giggle, and it's a very good start for the kind of conversation that makes me take them to bed.19:30
ptlif anything, for that.19:30
Arif_you need a fake beer glass for that?19:30
w00tptl: I think you're in the wrong channel if you're actually getting laid. :P19:30
Arif_says more about you than the girls :D19:30
ptlif you put it that way, yes. It's not that I need, it's another trick under the sleeve.19:30
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Arif_w00t, :O19:30
Arif_but everyone knows about the farting beer glasses now19:31
Arif_so it's not very impressive ;(19:31
Arif_you should show them youtube playing in the browser!19:32
ptlit's also too common19:32
nid0that only works if the girl's at least 3/4 as geeky as the n900 owner showing her it19:32
ptlI need a bunch of useless apps19:32
Arif_depends on what clip you show19:32
ptlno, no19:32
ptlgeek girls like usefull apps.19:33
nid0youtube playing smoothly in the browser is sufficiently useful19:33
Arif_you can just show them the XTerminal19:33
Arif_and then get ignored with no phone ;(19:33
nid0yeah baby, heres my top19:33
Arif_no wait19:34
Arif_it was OVER EIGHT THOUSAND19:34
Arif_Long time ago I watched DBZ...19:34
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ptlshow her your uptime!19:36
ptl'hey, baby, look at that! the phone has been out for three months and my uptime is 101 days!'19:37
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* Arif_ refrains from commenting on that....:)19:37
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* w00t headdesks a little19:38
* DocScrutinizer doubts there's such a thing like geek girls19:39
Arif_I sure hope not19:39
Arif_I wouldn't understand them ;(19:39
ptlyes, there are19:40
ptlhowever the BALANCED geek girls do not let their geekiness dominate, and worry with life, appearance, and so on19:40
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c|onemanmaking them completely out of anyones league?19:40
ptlthe unbalanced geek girls might even be beautiful, but they use to be weird, ungrasppable entities19:40
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ptlnot really19:41
Arif_ptl has a lot of experience apparently :D19:41
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ptlI've got some, but it's here in Brazil19:41
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ptlit might be different in other countries19:41
SpeedEvilptl: you can convert one to the other using a balun.19:41
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: LOL19:42
ptlnfermat found for the MIDP emulator, but that only postpones the problem, now you need a J2SE to run the J2ME19:43
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DocScrutinizerI bet very few recipients know what a balun is19:43
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Arif_DocScrutinizer, something with electric signal thingies?19:43
kkitoI am programing a game, and after some time of playing it the backlight turns off. do you know how (in freemante) control the screen backlight?19:44
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kkitofremantle :P19:44
Arif_yay, more games19:44
ptlA balun, pronounced /ˈbælən/, is a type of electrical transformer that can convert electrical signals that are balanced about ground (differential) to signals that are unbalanced (single-ended) and vice versa. They are also often used to connect lines of differing impedance.19:44
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Arif_what game is it? :p19:45
ptlthe equivalent of xset s off does not solve it?19:46
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mschrwho knows of a good application to use as UI task manager?19:47
mschranything available on maemo?19:47
ptlkkito: maybe the people in #maemo-devel know better19:47
mschrarif_: aka dashboard.. there's no info on priority/memusage/cpu-utilization etc19:48
* Arif_ hasn't come across one in extras+testing19:48
kkitook, i didnt know about this channel, thank you :)19:49
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rzrhi, are the mailing list archives online ?19:51
GAN900mschr, htop19:52
GAN900rzr, yes19:52
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GAN900On several websites.19:53
rzri wanted to ask this in #meego :)19:53
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Andrewfblack_shinkamui: I always say its stands for Andrew F***ing Black but really its Franklin19:57
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Arif_you're whatnow?19:59
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GAN900rzr, same answer.20:05
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mgedmingah, I can't remember *again* how to scp my source debs to the extras-devel builder :(20:08
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mgedminwhat do they mean "not a valid .changes file"???20:10
mgedminwhat's wrong with ?20:10
villagermgedmin: perhaps they only want a source upload, no binaries20:14
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tgalal_could someone please help me out with this :( :( :(
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LynoureI'm trying to run a binary on N900, I have it copied over but for some reason chmod a+x does not seem to stick, and thus ./myapp fails20:24
LynoureI'm probably doing something wrong, but what?20:24
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jgastalLynoure: in what partition did you put the executable?20:24
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Lynourejgastal: it's in the home directory20:25
jgastalLynoure: some partitions are mounted with noexec20:25
Lynourejgastal: what would be a good place to put stuff for testing20:25
Lynoure(I guess that is noexec then...)20:25
jgastalI don't recall if ithas noexec. run mount, to see mount options.20:25
jgastalI would say /opt but I'm just guessing20:26
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villagerLynoure: are you sure it's in your /home/user and not in /home/user/MyDocs? I can run binaries from /home/user fine...20:26
Lynourevillager: ah, thanks for reminding me that there is a difference :)20:27
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nid0hm, extras is getting ~100,000 downloads a day atm?20:29
nid0that aint bad, for 180 apps in it.20:29
Arif_what do they download20:30
Arif_is there a hidden fart app?20:30
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N900evilmoobox needs a mod20:33
pupnikcamera app crashed device when i held shutter too long and now last 4 photos are unviewable bookmarks in photoviewer20:33
Arif_even the camera didn't like what you were making pictures of ;P20:34
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pupnik(feature request) after sharing a photo, give url in clipboard or SOMEWHERE!20:36
slonopotamus(this isn't a bugtracker)20:36
lcukthats a reasonable idea pupnik20:36
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lcuki think somewhere i noted that if you select to share image from conversations it should fill in the url into the message box20:37
pupnikafter rebooting i see photos i have not seen since FOSDEM!20:38
lcuksimilar idea, but yours is totally global and would be good, even if it was just opening a text file with recent uploads20:38
Arif_I haven't figured out yet how to upload stuff20:38
Arif_I click share>services>photobucket>I get my photobucket login>I login>I get pixelpope screen20:38
Arif_and then nothing :(20:39
pupnikflickr upload works for me20:39
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cehtehpicture sharing to ovi also never worked for me20:45
* Lynoure happily looks at maebiGTD version 0.1 on her phone20:46
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n900maemoAnyone free?20:48
Brendan[BP]for what? :)20:48
* Arif_ has a price20:48
villagerwhat if you prefer to exchange favours, is that considered free?20:50
Arif_wouldn't that depend on the favor? ;)20:51
Lynouren900maemo: For what kind of project? *grin*20:51
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lcukLynoure, pics or it didnt get done20:52
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n900maemoWell im having trouble flashing my pre-production device20:54
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n900maemoit is saying that i have to supply the X-loader image20:54
lcukn900maemo, and where did your pre production device come from20:55
n900maemoIt came from Nokia R&D20:55
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lcukso contact your nokia wrangler and ask for updates20:55
lcukafaik the only images available ar ethe official ones20:56
n900maemoI have flashed n900's before its just that this one is asking me to supply the x-loader image since its not a production release20:56
TomaszDn900maemo, which HWID20:56
TomaszDn900maemo, alright, I'll hook you up, msg20:57
n900maemois it just the firmware that is causing this issue20:57
VDVsxn900maemo, you need a legacy FW20:57
TomaszDn900maemo, I've sent you information20:58
VDVsxTomaszD, are you sharing these images ? careful with that can upset someone ;)20:59
TomaszDVDVsx, I've just sent him a an e-mail address to Daniel20:59
VDVsxTomaszD, ah cool ;)21:00
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VDVsxright thing IMO :)21:00
n900maemohow to i retreive your message?21:00
n900maemooh found it!21:00
* lcuk ponders searching for the build ids 21:01
Lynourelcuk: in a short bit there will be pics. Then, someday soon there ought to be a .deb as well21:01
LynoureDrat, cannot use my N900 to take pics of my N90021:01
lcukLynoure, you should mark those on some sort of system21:01
lcukthat you can manage your tasks21:02
lcukShift + Ctrl + P21:02
Lynourelcuk: I do :)21:02
lcuktakes a screenshot21:02
Lynourelcuk: but that could be any screenshot21:02
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LynoureNo telling it apart from the scratchbox21:02
lcukthat took its time to leave21:02
VDVsxbtw, if someone has app ideas for maemo:
lcukLynoure, i just wanna see your gtd app21:02
slonopotamuslcuk, that fails to capture video overlay21:03
lcukdont care where its runnin21:03
lcukslonopotamus, dont i know it21:03
Lynourelcuk: it's nothing spectacular yet.21:03
VDVsxI'm trying to retrieve some from brainstorm (a bit messy :()21:03
* lcuk always has ideas VDVsx :P21:03
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lcuki just put a spectacular one in #nokia-mdc21:04
Lynourelcuk: just basicly a todo app, very bare bones at that. Will get much better in time. I'm hoping to replace Progect (for Palm) in my GTD use21:04
lcukLynoure, i just make sketch notes21:04
lcukthen convert them into apps21:04
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lcukjacket potato time, bbl21:07
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Andrewfblack_wazd: What you think about
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N900evilaww - google-earth cores21:17
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wazdAndrewfblack: honestly I'm a consistency fan so I'm not very excited bout different theme elements at the same time21:18
wazdAndrewfblack: though it can work for downloadable iconsets21:18
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Andrewfblack_wazd: icon sets are going to be a big part of it that is where I got the idea and it grew from their21:19
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Andrewfblack_I think custom lock sliders will be used alot also I lot of people like things like the pacman lockslider21:20
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Andrewfblack_isn't their a way for me ot make my regular name disconnect?21:21
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hrw is interesting - Qt/maemo5 released as not supported?21:27
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wazdAndrewfblack: again, pacman slider is just one idea21:29
wazdAndrewfblack: you can make a package that will replace slider only21:29
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Andrewfblack_wazd: thats true what I'm doing could be done with a bunch of packages but alot of theme people are having trouble learning packaging this is going to make it where they just put the files in a folder.  tar.gz it and they are good to go.21:30
N900evilthe screen lock is a bit broken21:30
N900evilyou get glimpses of what's underneath21:31
Arif_I just thought of an idea for a new app21:32
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Arif_now I wish I knew how to program21:33
johnsqArif_: learn it, isn't difficult21:33
VanadisArif_, what's your Idea?21:33
Arif_you know the FM transitter sends out the song data?21:34
Arif_take that data21:34
Arif_and send it to the conversations status message thingy21:34
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Arif_a "now playing" plugin for conversations in short21:35
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hrwArif_: there is not such already?21:37
Arif_there is?21:37
Stskeepslo jebba21:37
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wazdAndrewfblack: also I think that lockslider is rarely used screen :P21:41
wazdAndrewfblack: I actually haven't seen it live ever :)21:41
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Lynourelcuk: there's the screenshots21:48
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Andrewfblack_wazd: I use lockscreen for viewing time alot but app will do alot more then just lockscreens21:53
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Myrttioh for gods sake, just tuned into the hockey game to see the Finns fuck it up22:09
djkrikkeHi Guys, just wondering if there is a way to auto turn off my wifi if the device is "standby"?22:09
jaskagood thing i dont watch hockey then22:10
djkrikkeor can wifi stay on forever with the power saving enabled?22:11
manavsyes it can22:12
SpeedEvilwifi on and mostly idle leads to a battery life of well over a day22:12
SpeedEvilthat is - logged in22:12
SpeedEvilwith powersave on22:12
ShadowJKmyrtti: yeah :( had prepared with beer and bowls of chips and all!22:12
SpeedEvilrouters can vary significantly in their support of powersacing though22:12
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fralsMyrtti: giant mistake by kiprusoff yeah22:14
manavsis qt 4.5 optified?22:14
ShadowJKman, the pauses for comercials look kinda silly on a tv channel with no ads :)22:15
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djkrikkewhat services do you have turned on SpeedEvil22:15
SpeedEvilthat was a test with just ssh logged into tehr edvice22:16
SpeedEvilthe device22:16
* RST38h got Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus.22:16
RST38hTrack #0 is Russian. Track #1 is....22:16
RST38h...Italian. Shit. Shit. Shit.22:16
djkrikkeoh allright SpeedEvil22:17
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SpeedEvilNothing for it but to learn Russian.22:17
SpeedEvilThere are some benefits.22:17
SpeedEvilWatch A Fish Called Wanda for a demo.22:17
* RST38h knows Russian. 22:17
RST38hThe translation sucks though.22:17
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Myrttiso, now that the hockey game is over...22:23
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pupnikn900 just fell off my shirt pocket onto a marble floor.. again..22:23
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toggles_wpupnik: beats putting it through a washing machine22:23
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ShadowJKMyrtti, wtf is this :)22:27
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b-man17hmm, i'm getting "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor" while runnung apt-get update in the fremantle sdk :\22:28
sheepbat..did it still work, toggles_w ?22:29
Andrewfblack_Please excuss my spam but Recruiting people for help on
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lcukLynoure, cool stuff22:32
* wazd wonders if anyone has camriped Alice premiere :D22:33
lcukfor similar ui stuff (and a desktop widget for your app) there is countdown widget application22:33
RST38hmoo wazd22:33
wazdRST38h: heya22:33
RST38hwazd: just wait a few weeks22:33
wazdRST38h: well, I was thinking of seeing it in 3D in the heatre22:34
RST38h3d is overrated...22:34
wazdRST38h: just wondered who can be so desperate to camrip world premiere :D22:34
Lynourelcuk: thanks :)22:34
RST38hwazd: camrip it in 3d, with two cams!22:35
Lynourelcuk: I'm not yet sure what kind of desktop widget would work... So that will wait till I have more of the other stuff done22:35
wazdRST38h: no, with one huge iMax cam :D22:35
wazdRST38h: that's the spirit~22:35
lcukLynoure, just install and take a look22:36
lcukyour app reminded me muchly of it22:36
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* Myrtti goes to look at RememberTheMilk documentation22:36
RST38hwazd: with quickly rotating mirror22:36
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Lynourelcuk: is  countdown wigdet  it's name?22:38
lcukthats the name on the widget select22:38
Lynourelcuk: I've been looking at quite many timer apps lately...22:39
lcuki cant remember if its the actual name22:39
MyrttiLynoure: feature request for RememberTheMilk support22:39
LynoureMyrtti: why?22:39
LynoureMyrtti: there are some apps with that already...22:40
MyrttiLynoure: for N900?22:40
LynoureMyrtti: yes22:40
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Myrttioh ok.22:40
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LynoureMyrtti: I've never used RTM myself, don't want to hand my life plan to a 3rd party.22:40
lcuk"countdown home desktop widget"22:40
Myrttinevermind me then22:40
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LynoureMyrtti: but you could tell me what you like about it?22:40
Myrttieases the synchronization between devices and ability to use it from the browser22:41
infobothmm... hmm is hidden markov model22:41
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LynoureEventually might do some synchronization support. Should not be too complicated22:42
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Lynoureprobably no browser support, not interested in implementing all the same stuff for browsers.22:42
lcukit harmonises the chemical bonding to ignite synapses for delivery of cow udder juice22:42
wazdRST38h: <- what do you think?22:43
MaikBHey guys, I just found out that the accelerometer in the N900 defines a left hand coordinate system.  Being a engineer I was surprised by this, since most if not all physics related coordinate system are right hand.  Are left hand coordinate system a common thing in electronic devices?22:44
SpeedEvilMaikB: err - what?22:45
SpeedEvilMaikB: it has 3 axes.22:45
MaikBit has22:45
Stskeepswazd: i'm worried about touch-wise closeness of top thing and back22:45
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MaikBx to the left22:45
MaikBy up22:45
SpeedEvilMaikB: the axes orientation is not specifically chosen.22:45
MaikBund z out22:45
SpeedEvilMaikB: as nobody cares about it.22:45
wazdStskeeps: oh, that's an old shot, no back there :)22:45
MaikBSpeedEvil: I see22:46
SpeedEvilMaikB: it's simply what's most convenient to make.22:46
lcukMaikB, can you not just invert the values and forget it ever happened?22:46
lcukit might have just been a drunken day :D22:46
SpeedEvilOr more likely - what the person writing up the datasheet decided to call the axes22:46
MaikBlcuk: sure, It will just invert the x axis22:47
MaikBSpeedEvil: I assumed the for three entries in /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord are x-y-z22:47
SpeedEvilMaikB: they are completely arbitrary22:48
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SpeedEvilMaikB: register 34 (for example) might be X22:48
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SpeedEvilbut there is no reason you can't call it Y22:48
SpeedEviland the orientation on the board also changes things. though not the coord system of course22:48
MaikBWell well....  I'm a bit shocked about this :P22:49
SpeedEvilpost to TMO complaining.22:49
SpeedEvilIt'll make more sense than some other complaints.22:49
MaikBI can live with this.22:50
SpeedEvilWhat's more important is for someone to write a nice cal routine.22:51
MaikBSpeedEvil: Did you work with other devices that got accelerometers?22:51
SpeedEvilThe accels have a singificant bias and scale error.22:51
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lcukmeh its not that significant but yeah, MaikB
MaikBlcuk: I did read this site before asking here :D22:52
SpeedEvilA simple 'turn it over and over several times' app that maps the accel readings to the surface of a spheroid, and then calculates offsets and biases from the shape of that spheroid...22:52
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manavshello all22:52
LynoureI frankly hate the default maemo5 way to select dates22:52
* lcuk wonders if MaikB is a mole :P reading the wiki, knowledgable, articulate... :p22:52
SpeedEvilLynoure: me too.22:52
Lynoureas it does not show weekdays when selecting22:52
SpeedEvilLynoure: utterly broken.22:52
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Lynoure"hmm, today is Tuesday so next Friday is... hmm..."22:53
SpeedEvilLynoure: even neglecting the fact you can't set intervals of your choice.22:53
ShapeshifterLynoure: you _can_ fix the Qt implementation of this22:53
Shapeshifterno idea about the gtk ui element22:53
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Shapeshifter(if it's open source)22:53
lcukLynoure, SpeedEvil - agreed to a degree.  just how would you make one then22:54
lcukhey jaffa22:54
Shapeshifterlcuk: I'd make the sunday in a different color (e.g. gray background)22:54
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Shapeshifterwould be enough orientation for me which weekday a day is.22:54
SpeedEvillcuk: make what?22:54
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lcuka better date select22:54
lcukmake some mockups22:55
SpeedEvillcuk: well - one way to keep the scrolly goodness would be to add a day scroller.22:55
lcukpost about then, dont tell me here they get lost and irc does not communicate meaning well22:55
MaikBI wonder if there are specifications about the accuracy of the accelerometer.  I bet this is a general issue for embedded devices.  And there must be code around to compensate22:55
LynoureShapeshifter: sounds like  a great idea22:55
SpeedEvilIf you select 'monday' - while leaving 2010 and 'march' selected - all of the dates that are monday in the day selctor are highlighted22:56
MaikBreinventing the wheel is fun, but takes a lot of time22:56
SpeedEvilMaikB: there are.22:56
SpeedEvilMaikB: there aren't general cal routines that I've seen22:56
MaikBSpeedEvil: google or garage?22:56
SpeedEvilA fit to spheroid code is quite simple.22:56
SpeedEvillook on the accel page for docs22:57
SpeedEvilor google lis302dl22:57
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Lynourelcuk: seems the date select I got without any attention gives me a calendar at doubleclick. Not fingerfriendly but works for me22:57
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MaikBSpeedEvil: Thx a ton!22:58
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greenlionhi. after one of updates on n900 I have Audio/Video/Documents/Images folders in file browser duplicated. is there any cure for it?23:03
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MaikBis there a dbus explorer for the n900, like qdbusviewer on a linux desktop?23:08
MaikBOr is (i)python and "import dbus" the way to go?23:08
Stskeepsthere's a mdbus thing?23:08
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MaikBStskeeps: thx!!23:08
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MaikBdoes the job23:13
Stskeepswazd: cool :)23:13
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Shapeshiftermh. is there a way to toggle fullscreen in scummvm?23:17
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Fredrik1994is it possible to change owntext-colors in xchat somehow? :p23:18
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Fredrik1994cannot find in preferences23:18
ShadowJKat most I think you can have your own nickname a different colour if you enable coloured nicknames23:19
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Fredrik1994doesn't seems to change anything at all23:21
Fredrik1994the default is hard to read. :<23:21
ShadowJKI'm not running with the maemo5 default :/23:22
Fredrik1994you have this color (or even darker) as owntext23:22
djkrikkeshutting down for example openssh server on the n900, is that the same way as in debian? /etc/init.d/openssh-server stop23:22
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ShadowJKn900 uses upstart... and that's all I know23:23
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djkrikkeok, thanks for the info ShadowJK23:23
Fredrik1994changing colors->local colors->30 seems to help23:24
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* Jaffa offs for the weekend.23:46
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Arif_lol, Angry Birds is removed from the ovi store again23:53
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Oli``What is the N900 path of the mass storage device (ie if I copy something to the phone over USB, where does it end up) ?23:53
Oli``Arif_: ah yes - I had checked there but I was still plugged in23:55
Arif_remove the usb cable first ;)23:55
Arif_I have 300MB left now ;(23:56
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Arif_hooray for microSD23:56
c|onemanmicroSD is the only media I would consider swallowing23:57
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Arif_why the hell would you swallow it23:57
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ShadowJKI wouldn't want to try find it again when it comes out, though23:57
lcukc|oneman, what if theres some sharp data on it23:57
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Arif_your brain doesn't support FAT32 I assume :P23:57
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c|onemanI mean, if I Needed to keep evidence for later23:58
c|onemanand not get caught with it23:58
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lcukomg, the cops, quick hide the ikea catalog?23:59

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