IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-02-25

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GeneralAntillesdneary, no, might hit MeeGo-community with a proposal00:01
sejoor how to get dvorak working?00:01
Arif_zoutube is in need of a sort by upload date function00:02
acidjazzno matter how advanced things are today computers are still a fucked up bukkake orgy of programs written by diff compansy and diff ppl w/ diff ideas of how they shoudl interact that just ends up being one big gangbang shit fest w/ a line going out the door and guess what .. you're last in line buddy.00:02
ds3so write your own!00:02
lcukacidjazz, just like every town and city in the world then00:02
dnearyGeneralAntilles, Wrong channel?00:02
GeneralAntillesdneary, #meego or #maemo, I'm too hungry to care at the moment. ;)00:03
dnearyGeneralAntilles, I guess not (seeing tekojo's on-topic comment)00:03
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ds3freenode needs to allow symlinks to channels ;)00:03
* Arif_ thinks gewgle should write apps for the en nine hundred..00:03
dnearyGeneralAntilles, There are huge questions I have, and right now I don't know where to ask them00:03
GeneralAntillesdneary, mailing lists?00:03
dnearyI might just start attacking meego-community00:03
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dnearyI wasn't subscribed before - too much useless email00:04
GeneralAntillesdneary, sounds like a plan.00:04
GeneralAntillesMeeGo-community is focused00:04
GeneralAntillesMeeGo-dev is not00:04
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dnearyOdd, given that in maemo it's more or less the inverse00:04
GeneralAntillesdneary, er, not?00:04
GeneralAntillesmaemo-developers is usually pretty spammy.00:05
GeneralAntillesI find maemo-community focuses00:05
GeneralAntillesmaemo-users is just a cesspool.00:05
dnearyGeneralAntilles, Then again, it's not surprising since, for the moment with no code & no way to develop MeeGo apps, there are more questions than answer00:05
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dnearyThere's not much dev to do :)00:05
GeneralAntillesdneary, mostly revolving around Moblin stuff right now.00:05
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corecodequite ugly code :/00:06
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Arif_corecode, where?00:07
pupniki cant bear to type that word00:09
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GeneralAntillespupnik, which?00:12
corecodeArif_: the sms upload00:12
pupnikthe jar jar binks OS00:13
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sejosomeone /800:13
sejosomeone fawiliar with a dvorak keyboard and trying to use dvorak in the sdk?00:13
Arif_does it work or not =P00:14
sejopupnik: meego?00:14
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GeneralAntillespupnik, Fisher Price.00:15
GeneralAntillessejo, not sure how simple it is to change.00:15
GeneralAntillesI just worked around it, personally.00:15
sejoGeneralAntilles: how?00:17
sejoGeneralAntilles: it,s pretty annoying when trying to test00:17
GeneralAntillessejo, by doing as little as possible in Xephyr. :D00:17
GeneralAntillesBest to test on device anyway.00:17
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sejoGeneralAntilles: you connect it with sshfs?00:17
GeneralAntillessejo, yeah00:18
GeneralAntillesThere's an outline on the wiki, I think.00:18
sejoit kinda drains the battery i think00:18
sejoyeah know how to do it00:18
GeneralAntillesIt's not too terrible00:18
GeneralAntillesbesides, if you're sitting at a desk, surely there's power?00:18
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timeless_mbpfwiw, there's a team somewhere inside which has a way to record videos of maemo5 for filing a bug00:21
timeless_mbpit can also record user input00:21
sejoGeneralAntilles: yeah in my couch but can connect it to my laptop00:21
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sejocan I safely replace the root password?00:22
nid0as long as you remember what you replace it with00:22
GeneralAntillessejo, OpenSSH makes you set it when you install.00:22
sejoGeneralAntilles: yeah but kinda weary of that (I also have an iPhone *grin*)00:23
Texrattimeless: can you get me tnhat info?00:24
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Texratalso cool: epage (Ed Page) has developed best practice for log file capture/submission... very valuable for bug management00:24
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Texratcombine that with bugzilla wizard on device... :)00:25
andre__hmm, bugzilla wizard...00:26
andre__"install a local bugzilla in 2 minutes with 5 clicks"00:26
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timeless_mbpTexrat: i was supposed to get access for myself00:26
timeless_mbpbut it was behind an acl00:26
timeless_mbpi'm not sure if they added me :(00:26
andre__next step: distributed bug tracking management00:26
jo-erlendArif_, ah. I'm transferring files via wlan and scp. Perhaps I need to update tracker manually, or does it run periodically?00:27
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timeless_mbpandre__: have you tried deskzilla?00:27
pupnikplease vote up Kobodeluxe.  It is very ready!
Arif_that's a good question00:28
Arif_I dont' know00:28
andre__"but please still test Kobodeluxe first before voting for it" ;-)00:28
GeneralAntillesI'm amazed at how useless the bugzilla programs are.00:28
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andre__"bugzilla programs"?00:28
andre__what does that mean in this context?00:29
GeneralAntillesandre__, desktop versions of the web interface.00:29
GeneralAntillesi.e., deskzilla00:29
lupine_85anyone know of a reasonable muc client for the n900?00:29
lupine_85(jabber multi-user chat)00:29
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* timeless_mbp grumbles00:30
timeless_mbphow do i figure out what my adc member id is?00:30
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, don't they have a recovery option that you can use an email address on?00:31
sejohmm PySide is en what package?00:31
sejoI installed the Python-QT4-Full00:31
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TexratGeneralAntilles: did you check out my presentation yet?00:31
GeneralAntillesTexrat, I looked at some of the pretty pictures00:32
GeneralAntillesTexrat, but haven't managed to actually read any of it yet.00:32
* GeneralAntilles is eating now.00:32
TexratI kept verbiage short just for you00:32
GeneralAntillesThe Problem00:32
Texratmy wife is puking now so me no eat00:32
GeneralAntillesGeneralAntilles is a lazy bastard00:32
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GeneralAntillesTexrat, don't like the title.00:33
Arif_anyone in Dutchland with TMobile?00:33
GeneralAntillesUser Experience in the context seems like it might be something different than UX.00:33
Texratit is bigger than ux00:34
Texratso title works00:34
TexratREAD : p00:34
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Texrathey crashanddie00:39
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GeneralAntillesTexrat, seems pretty reasonable00:41
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dmj7261How did GSoC students for maemo get picked last year?00:42
GeneralAntillesTexrat, although I feel a strong desire to murder you for using "he/she"00:42
GeneralAntilles"they" is the pronoun you're looking for.00:42
* Arif_ found another bug00:42
GeneralAntillesTexrat, also, bold is basically undistinguishable on the last slide00:42
GeneralAntillesMight switch to italics.00:42
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luke-jrGeneralAntilles: "they" is plural00:46
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, this isn't 1920.
luke-jrGeneralAntilles: so grammatical errors become OK when Canada uses them?00:47
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, English is a living language.00:47
dmj7261many people accept a singular they00:47
GeneralAntillesThe vast majority of people accept it, I'd argue.00:47
GeneralAntilleshe/she is awkward and ridiculous00:47
dmj7261Grammar nazi me accepts it00:47
GeneralAntillesEither or tends to offend people00:47
* GeneralAntilles finds feminine pronoun usage ridiculously PC.00:48
lupine_85s/he is the way forward00:48
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GeneralAntilleslupine_85, kill. me. no.00:48
infobotGeneralAntilles meant: lupine_85, kill. me. now.00:48
dmj7261I'd argue that a singular they is the least objectionable option.00:48
GeneralAntillesdmj7261, by far00:48
lupine_85except it's not really singular00:48
luke-jr'he' works fine, kthx00:48
dmj7261pronounced s slash he00:49
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timeless_mbpthey, please00:49
GeneralAntillesand judging by usage accepted by most people.00:49
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, pfft.00:49
luke-jreven spivak is better than "singular they"00:49
lupine_85i need mobile ipv6 on my n900!00:49
lupine_85to go with a decent muc client ;)00:50
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dmj7261not "singular they", using "they" to refer to a single person whose gender is not important.00:50
GeneralAntillesluke-jr, good lord that's horrifying.00:51
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dmj7261um...people won't adopt that, and will be confused if you use Ey00:51
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andre__being PC must be hard.00:51
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GeneralAntillesandre__, that it must.00:52
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ds3are you discriminating against androids by not using he/she/it?????? :D00:52
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nid0don't androids generally have a gender?00:53
luke-jrdmj7261: that's what "he" is for :)00:53
lupine_85androgynes, normally00:54
HukkaWell, you could check what the android dreams of. Like men usually dream of women, and vice versa.00:55
* Texrat is amazed to find self agreeing with GeneralAntilles :p00:55
Texrathe/she/they makes a good argument :p00:56
Texrator it00:56
nid0what happens if you get a gay android, you'd get it's gender wrong then00:56
sejoif I create a python tool how can I get the windo to slide from the bottom? it's not a dialog apparently (Qt)00:56
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pupnikTexrat: do you have hands on experience with android and palm pre?01:01
pupnikplease vote up Kobodeluxe.  It is very ready!
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Texratpupnik: no sorry01:06
Texratonly with Nokia devices01:07
dmj7261I used each of those for about half an hour (droid and pre)01:07
Texratamazingly enough I'm not really a cell phone person ;)01:07
Texratbut a gadget person to be sure01:07
pupniksame here01:09
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pupniki cou gladly leave off the phone but 3g internet on the go is a GAME changer01:10
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Arif_what's kobodeluxe01:12
pupniktry it foo!01:12
* Arif_ will!01:13
jebba900hmm. Someone sent me an inline JPG to my gmail account but i see no way to save it with the mail program.01:13
Arif_how do you force the app manager to update its database?01:13
cehteheh .. my firewall triggered on strange phone-home attempts from the n90001:14
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fralsnice, got rated 4 stars with the comment "someone help me use this app i dont know how to"01:14
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cehteh SRC= DST=
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pupnikwhat app frals ?01:14
Arif_there's a button for it01:14
cehteh... thasts not its ip address01:14
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Arif_maybe the 4 stars were for the fact he could install it01:15
pupniki also dont understand it frals :)01:15
fralsyou press "add", enter a name, and your done... it really isnt hard, i promise ;)01:16
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tremnite all, sweet dreams01:17
pupnikwhen would i want to install it?  what am i missing now?01:17
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cehtehhehe .. i did that too01:18
* Arif_ downloads the kobodeluxe deb manually...01:18
fralsif you dont have a need to add another gprs apn, you dont need the app ;)01:18
cehtehfrals: maybe give a *big* red notice "this was all, now look into your connection settings"01:18
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fralscehteh: its a big system_info_banner... wonder if i can make it red :P01:19
Arif_supply a red theme with it :P01:19
cehtehi used it only once some weeks ago, cant remember01:19
* Arif_ thinks the yellow bars are kinda out of place in the dark sky theme01:20
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shamusis it me or dose the n800 batery meater lie a lot i was just using it today and had the device hard crash on me and on rebood it sayed it had less then an hours charge left yet when i turnede i back off and letr it sit for a while on powering back up it was back to a 98% charge01:21
Arif_"A hours of charge"01:22
shamusrughly one hours worth01:23
shamusoh what that was tand by01:23
shamusstand by01:23
shamusugh i stink at explning stuff01:23
shamusbut yah the batery demion seams to thorow a fuss at times01:24
till-maybe the calculation was based on the power consumption during the reboot01:24
shamusyah boot realy zaps power like mad01:25
till-and were you in a different environment?01:25
shamuswas indors the full time01:25
till-cold temperature has great effect on the battery01:26
till-at least in case of my n80ß01:26
shamuswas just odd to see the bater plumit that fast01:26
shamuswhen from over 98.9 to about 10% and back01:27
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shamusmust have been the cold01:28
till-the age of the battery is also important01:28
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till-mine is 2,5 years or so and drops capcity quiet fast01:28
shamusi just got the device about a month back but it was oem so the batery might be old01:28
Arif_how do I control kobo deluxe with the keypad!01:29
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till-the battery of my notebook is now 3,7 years old and lasts 10 minutes or so01:29
pupnikdunno.  acellerometer sucks, right?  complain about that please :)01:29
Arif_and the options menu is nearly impossible to read01:29
Arif_even on TV out01:30
pupniki use 'mouse' mode with stylus01:30
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shamusmaby i need a new batery as im lucky if i get a  day of stanby01:31
shamusthat or i have roge processes01:31
till-me too01:31
Arif_me not01:31
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pupnikinstall cpumem applet to see your cpu use01:32
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shamusthestatus bar cpu app?01:33
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pupnikif you have open websites sucking cpu that will show you01:34
* Arif_ commented on kobo deluxe :)01:34
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pupnikthx Arif_01:34
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Arif_it's a fun game though01:34
Arif_I don't know what the objective is yet01:34
Arif_I just fly around shooting thingymajigs01:34
shamusjust idaling on home with only the defult click up anddisconected from wifii01:34
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pupnikdestroy the bases01:35
pupnikgets challenging around level 601:35
shamuswtf python is runging in the backgroung?01:36
Arif_I found out today that a lot of widgets have editable settings if you go to edit desktop mode!01:36
Arif_too bad the N900 is so buggy all widgets vanish if you poke in that mode long enough :P01:36
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cpscottiArif_: pushin it to the extremes? never heard of THIS bug.. lol01:37
ScribbleJI dunno about a lot.01:37
Arif_I was just moving and poking around my icons and widgets01:38
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Arif_and then they all disappeared and I had to re add them :P01:38
GAN900Arif_, generally crashes like that are caused by the widgets themselves.01:39
ShadowJKin the past, those kinds of crashes took down alot more than just the widgets :)01:39
Arif_the theme went away too? :D01:40
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kakashi_any thoughts on ?01:46
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SpeedEvilkakashi_: it is a huge project.01:47
kakashi_SpeedEvil: it is01:47
SpeedEvilAll of the existing opensource solutions basically suck.01:47
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kakashi_agreed, But I was actually looking if I could get my hands on some Google API01:48
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kakashi_In android, they have something called speech class in Java (which is deprecated)01:49
kakashi_I am still not aware how google does it there01:50
SpeedEvilI would question if any service promoted for android will continue to function if it's used.01:50
SpeedEvilit's technically doable.01:50
SpeedEvilDragon Dictate et al ran on similar class of processor.01:50
SpeedEvilthe problem is that it's probably several tens of millions of dollars of effort to get it working.01:51
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kakashi_hmm.... well, a native app may cost so much01:51
cpscottiArif_: (as said) generally it is a prob in one of your widgets.. anyone developing widgets KNOWs that.. lol01:52
kakashi_but something like an iPhone voice search app should be easy01:52
SpeedEvilkakashi_: what do you mean?01:52
Arif_I don't develop widgets :P01:52
kakashi_SpeedEvil: I mean, the voice search app provided by google for iPhone, should be using some API01:53
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SpeedEvilkakashi_: You're assuming they won't take measures to stop it working.01:53
luke-jrI have never seen any half-decent speech-to-text...01:53
luke-jrkakashi_: voice search is very different from speech-to-text01:53
SpeedEvilluke-jr: never seen dragon dictate/viavoice?01:54
Arif_soI can blame the developer of shake2control, ip showing thingymajig, fmtx widget?01:54
kakashi_hmm...  I never thought about the "evil" part of google01:54
luke-jrSpeedEvil: nope01:54
shamusspech to text is a long way for being reliable01:54
Arif_oh does someone remember the voice music search in one of those NOkia Xpresmusic phones?01:54
Arif_that was terrible! :D01:54
Arif_it never worked xD01:55
luke-jrspeech search is logically far easier than speech-to-text01:55
luke-jrfor searching, you're telling it what to look for01:55
cpscottishamus: exaclty!!!
luke-jrfor the latter, it needs to guess more or less randomly01:55
Arif_Win Vista/7 have it too01:55
Arif_it sometimes works :P01:55
shamussometimes ;-)01:56
nid0win7's speech command/search works really well for me01:56
nid0the speech to text obviously is rather more iffy01:56
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Arif_Maemo team should fix typing search first though :P01:57
cpscottiwin7? that's so... soo...... well.. I believed for some time that I would never see one of it's user here01:57
kakashi_how do those iPhone apps, which capture the tune and tell the name of the song work?01:57
cpscottitell me it is at your job.. where you don't have a choice!01:57
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nid0you what?01:57
Arif_cpscotti, stop being so emo01:58
nid0why the win7 bashing, it's a perfectly good os01:58
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cpscottiArif_: ok.. f*ck anyway01:58
Arif_kakashi_, you mean like shazam ID on symbian?01:58
shamussong rteconition works by having a larg datables to comparre the audio to01:58
Arif_that worked quite well :O01:58
Arif_Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate (Build #7600)01:59
nid0ms conned you out of the cost of ultimate, huh01:59
cpscottiOs: ubuntu 9.10, vista at work coz I have no choice..01:59
Arif_yeah cost!01:59
* Arif_ whistles01:59
kakashi_ but there the pattern is the same eh? (in case of song recognition)01:59
nid0ill rephrase01:59
nid0you took the effort of ripping off an ultimate license huh02:00
Arif_it was the easiest to steal02:00
redeemanyou actually stole it?02:00
redeemanor did you just pirate it?02:00
Arif_I pirated it02:00
redeemanstealing is when you take it from them02:00
nid0cant even see why there is an ultimate edition tbh02:00
redeemanthey no longer have it then02:00
nid0and piracy != theft02:00
sar3thArif_: who didn't02:00
Arif_people who bought a new PC didn't02:01
redeemanpeople that don't use crap software? :P02:01
Arif_they got home premium02:01
sar3ththey suck :P02:01
cpscottilol funny discussion.... even today !!
sar3thand i was talking about ultimate edition ^^02:01
Arif_I'd never want loonix on my desktop02:01
Arif_it's too much work getting it to work :P02:01
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SpeedEvilCan we not do the OS wars thing, it's boring.02:02
cpscottiArif_: you were right.. back in 200502:02
redeemani spend less time administrating my system than you do yours :P02:02
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redeeman2005? linux has been by far the most friendly since ~2001-ish02:02
dmj7261I use Linux cause it's easier02:02
cpscottidmj7261: me too.. if you try installing both ANY windows and a modern linux distro in a new (virgin) box I'm pretty sure you'll change your opnion02:03
dmj7261I hate spending an hour installing hardware that takes 1 second to install on windows.02:03
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cpscottijust the idea of searching through those crap DVDs/CDs to search for drivers sucks02:03
dmj7261I reversed that...1 hour to install on windows 1 second on linux02:04
Arif_get my tv card working and then tell me loonix is easy02:04
lcuki still prefer the xp window manager over other desktop managers.  but whenever im in windows now i long for a decent console02:04
cpscottidmj7261: ... ueaheuahealol02:04
nid0whats the last ms operating system you used, ME?02:04
redeemanArif_: you get my tv card working in winblows02:04
lcukand that as a consolephobe is surprising02:04
redeemanwhich is impossible02:04
kakashi_SpeedEvil: btw, if google is building an app for iPhone for the purpose of speech-to-text (voice search) won't they still keep the doors open?02:04
Arif_redeeman which card is that02:04
redeemannoname saa7134 based02:04
redeemani also have a dvb-t card which only supports mpeg2 stations on winblows02:05
* Arif_ has a TechnoTrend S2-320002:05
pupnikgles panning would be nice for exult02:05
redeemanbut i can tune into mpeg4 stations on linux02:05
Arif_have you tried DVBViewer =P02:05
redeemanwhich isn't really a card, since its usb02:05
* till- is using a saa7134 card on kubuntu and windows xp02:05
SpeedEvilkakashi_: maybe. It depends on their buisness case.02:05
dmj7261Also, the n900 is much more painful to tether on windows than linux.02:05
redeemani tried the thing that comes with it, which is grossly inferior to kaffeine on linux02:06
SpeedEvilkakashi_: they may decide that they don't want to support the n900 platform, only iphone.02:06
redeemantill-: yes, my brothers different saa7134 works on winblows, mine does not02:06
Arif_I couldn't get my CI addon to work on linux :(02:06
Arif_then I gave up:D02:06
till-my dec-3000s usb dvb-s box only works under winxp02:06
till-damn closed source02:06
redeemanyes... some crap hardware exists02:07
till-but the only 12v dvb-s with usb and ci-slot02:07
redeemanofcourse that doesn't change the fact that linux has support for more than twice the devices windows does02:07
cpscottiredeeman: =]02:07
kakashi_SpeedEvil: Native systems will anyway suck right, I mean there is no point in optimising sphinx or any of its family members02:07
Arif_Linux is awesome if you bother tinkering with it02:07
dmj7261I have a tv tuner somewhere that only works under winxp if you can find the driver cd (non online) and nowhere else02:07
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till-windows may have more drivers available, but the linux ones are mostly build into the kernel02:08
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till-which i prefer :)02:08
dmj7261I like the fact that linux bundles all the drivers02:08
Arif_till-, have you considered the TT 3650 :O02:08
dmj7261...means stuff just works02:08
cpscottitill-: Yuup! and getting drivers for windows is a crazy-suicide-downloadspyware-nightmare02:08
dmj7261WIndows makes you go looking for random executables02:08
nid0seriously you guys, last windows version you used really was ME wasnt it?02:09
Arif_Windows makes you download drivers from sites at 500B/s02:09
till-Arif_ too expensive for my case :)02:09
lcuklinux doesnt, but it makes you sacrifice firstborn by entering 3 pages of mystic runes02:09
dmj7261I've got an xp box02:09
kakashi_the OS wars are never going to end02:09
kakashi_:)02:09's sitting unused02:09
lcuksure they will kakashi_02:09
Arif_Linux makes you up and downgrade 50 dependancies that don't work02:09
cpscottinid0: I use vista at work. installing vista without the TWO driver's DVD on my DELL laptop IS impossible02:09
nid0ah so you have an ms operating system thats a mere 8 years old. how hot were linux distros back then?02:09
redeemannid0: still supporting more hardware directly02:10
till-apt/dpkg does that for me :)02:10
dmj7261...and I have access to legit win 7, but it's been sitting there for a long time not installed.02:10
cpscottinid0: vista, OOTB, goes into a 640x480 resolution from the last millennium02:10
nid0really really not02:10
Arif_yeah untill it screws up and refuses to continue02:10
redeemanhell, up until 3 years ago you had to use FLOPPIES or modified cd's to get microsofts OS onto a sata drive02:10
till-i use ubuntu and windows xp/7, ubuntu for internet, work, media and win for games02:11
* Arif_ throws the loonix penguin out of the window02:11
cpscottiredeeman: lol!!!  those funny truths are really awesome!02:11
nid0vista does that if you have some graphics card thats also from the last millenium sure. both vista (which i dont use) and win7 (which I do) on this system fires up *first boot* with both of my screens at their native 1680x1050 each02:11
nid0damned if I can get any nix distro to do that02:11
lcukamiga workbench will return :)02:11
dmj7261try mine?02:11
cpscottidmj7261: 2x02:11
lcukand you bitches will know its the one true os02:11
nid0I undoubtedly have02:11
till-ubuntu fired my screen at 1920x1200 :)02:12
nid0sure, itll fire one screen up at native res02:12
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cpscottiwell.. I feel better now after this whole discussion.. I have some friends.. but ok.. there are two worlds...02:12
dmj7261oh...yeah, I might need to use the gui to activate the second.02:12
nid0and on a base install the 2nd one will sit there black.02:12
Arif_what have I started... :P02:12 add about a minute.02:12
pupniklcuk: will you test amiga emu if i get sound working?02:12
lcukArif_, we shall look back on this day and know02:12
nid0minute more than win7 needs02:12
till-both have their pros and cons .. use what suit your needs ... :)02:12
Arif_OSX FTW02:13
lcukpupnik, if you mke the modifications to what im working on02:13
pupnikhey it's till- :)02:13
Arif_it only costs an arm and a leg, and a kidney to upgrade!02:13
cpscottisome people think that we use linux because it is free or because it is open source.. today I would say that I use it just because it fits best my needs =]02:13
pupnikhey it's till- :)02:13
pupnikyou got an amiga emu in the works lcuk ?02:13
dmj7261...yeah, but I don't have to screw with sound card drivers in exchange for that minute.02:13
nid0yet you seem to deride people for whom windows fits better cpscotti. nice attitude02:14
nid0sound card drivers? wtf are they02:14
dmj7261I use it for many reasons, including the FOSSiness, but the fact that it works very well is important02:14
lcukglol pupnik02:14
lcukbut it would be awesome02:14
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lcukto pull back amiga native screens02:14
Arif_sound cards needed drivers back in Win98 :(02:14
dmj7261I wouldn't recommend Linux as the main OS for a gamer or video editor.02:14
cpscottinid0: you are right.. but anyway.. this is IRC.. there is always those moments when you want to feel stupid and nazi02:14
nid0number of drivers needing any form of manual installation on this hardware on first boot win7 = 002:14
* Arif_ hands nid0 a driver cd02:16
Arif_but but02:16
mtdanyone having issues with telepathy-haze (specifically AIM / Yahoo) where the account gets disconnected and numeric fields in the account's advanced settings become corrupted (blank or weird huge negative numbers)?02:16
Arif_you need teh tv card driv0rz!02:16
nid0notrly, i have an actual real proper tv right there <02:16
Arif_my proper TV doesn't have a CI slot02:16
Arif_hey wait02:17
Arif_my PC is connected to my TV!02:17
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Arif_I wonder what all those thingies in alsamixer do...02:52
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nid0hm, anyone hot with qtirreco?02:56
Arif_yeah, it doesn't work for me02:57
nid0kinda ditto, my device doesnt seem to be transmitting an ir signal at all02:57
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Arif_nothing happens when I poke my added buttons02:57
Arif_I tried all 3 remotes available for my device02:58
pwnguinevery tv ive come across hasnt been in the db =(02:58
SpeedEvilDo you have another webcam?02:58
Arif_TechnoTrend S2-3200 has 3 remotes of which all 3 don't work for me :D02:58
nid0there are plenty of similar remotes to mine (though none of my exact ones exist) and I can happily record it02:58
SpeedEvilpoint it at IR device02:58
nid0but I get no output from the n900 atall in the first place02:58
SpeedEvilnid0: point camera at n900 you should be able to see IR02:59
nid0all other remotes shine a blue light into my camera as expected02:59
nid0n900 = nothing02:59
SpeedEvilI would suggest learning to juggle.02:59
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Arif_get a real remote ;)02:59
nid0im a pretty good juggler, but a handy touchscreen remote would be nice :(03:00
dmj7261how do you make (qt?)irreco work with non-preconfigured tvs?03:00
Arif_like the logitech harmony03:00
SpeedEvilAny error messages from the IR?03:00
SpeedEvilin dmesg?03:00
nid0dmj7261, either try something similar to your remote, or record a remote with another irda device, or look up the spec sheet of your remote if it exists, then generate a config file based on it03:00
dmj7261n900 itself can't detect other remote's output, can it?03:01
nid0dmesg outputs nothing atall relating to ir when I start up / try to use qtirreco03:02
nid0lircd is running tho03:02
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nid0dmj7261 no, you need a device that supports irda and appropriate capture software03:02
lcukcpscotti, first time in london?03:03
cpscottilcuk: second..03:03
cpscottiI went there at the end of jan also03:04
lcukthe location you chose is great for a load of people, right between the stations03:04
lcukwhether anyone manages to arrive is a different issue03:04
cpscottiyep... I imagined..03:04
lcukshall need to give people a bit more warning03:05
cpscottiwell.. I picked it also because last time I was there and it was nice03:05
cpscotti(and near the hostel I'm staying..)03:05
cpscottiwell. what kind of warning... any ideas?03:05
lcuki dunno03:06
lcukif you wanted a load of people to travel to centre of london who dont normally03:06
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cpscottishould we start a new thread at talk?03:07
ShadowJKlol, this is pretty awesome, "Created 02/25/10 03:06:15, Source IP:"03:07
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lcukcpscotti, ?03:08
lcukim just saying at least for me getting to london needs more than a days notice ;)03:08
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cpscottilcuk: yeh yeh.. I imagined that..03:10
cpscottithe prob is that I just got the idea today..03:10
* lcuk nods03:10
lcukhow long you over for03:10
cpscottionly until monday..03:10
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lcukand if you can get a massive roll of bubble wrap we could thoroughly cover our n900s and have the n900fly competition to beat all03:11
cpscotti(my idea is that is some poeple answer there, we do something.. otherwise we just postpone it)03:11
lcuki got 3.51m by putting my 900 inside rolled up sleeping bag03:11
cpscottithat would be something *wrong*03:11
cpscottireally.. I heard about people doing that..03:12
cpscottiit's damn funny03:12
cpscottiI just got 1.82 and decided it is enough..03:12
lcuki stopped natively throwing mine when i banged it on the ceiling03:12
cpscottilol!! rofl!03:12
lcukits a bit trigger happy03:13
lcukmost times when i catch it it reacts as if it had a 0.01s flight03:13
cpscottiI really think the app could use some "artwork" and all.. for the fun..03:13
lcuki was doing some tracing with my graphing version03:13
cpscottiahh.. yes.. that is also a problem..03:13
lcukits quite easy03:13
cpscottiit is VERY simple to solve..03:13
lcukive got a seismograph that scrolls amazingly well03:13
cpscottiI feel a little bit ashamed of that "detail" but I'm always more interested in something else.. loo03:14
lcuktis ok, the idea is there03:15
lcukand it caught imagination by being daring03:15
lcukwe need sound effects03:15
lcukwhen you catch it03:16
lcukafter a long one it should ouch03:16
cpscottiyep.. and it should give some warning if the impact was too bad03:16
cpscottitakinf pics on the air..03:16
lcuki think the pieces on the floor will tell you that03:16
lcukyeah i saw the thread03:16
lcukstreaming video would be simplest as was noted03:17
cpscottiwell.. the accelerometer only gets until 2.303:17
cpscottiwe could establish a "too hard but not destructive" windows03:17
lcukn900 juggling would be feasible03:18
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lcukanyway, i have stuff to get on with \o03:19
lcukhave a safe trip tomorrow, and if people turn up, great03:19
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cpscottihave fun there03:19
cpscottisee ya sometime03:19
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ptlmicrosoft and its evil acts again:
orbarronhello all: just a quick question... does meamo5 graphic acceleration depend on X11?03:25
dmj7261when would the xserver be disabled?03:26
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cpscottiFelipe_TS: ahoy!04:11
Felipe_TSque pasa?04:11
cpscottihaha... lol04:12
Felipe_TSremember when the mirc was a huge hit?04:12
Felipe_TSi miss those times04:12
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cpscottiwell.. it is in fact! a hit for those who see beyond..04:14
Felipe_TSthat´s truth04:14
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Wild_DoogyHey, what video format should I convert to for putting a movie on my N900?04:38
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cehtehyay ... led pattern editor04:55
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Andrewfblackjoppu, Ping04:57
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adalalis there a calling card software?05:52
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DocScrutinizerwhat's a calling card software?05:54
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adalalas in, a software where you can store a calling card details and it automatically dials the combination and the phone number from the address book05:56
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adalalinstead of, either changing every entry, or trying to enter the calling card details everytime05:57
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DocScrutinizerI see05:58
adalalthey had applications (albeit paid) for the symbian os05:58
adalalwell, there were*05:58
cehtehare calling cards still common? i never used one05:59
adalalwell, to call international destination from your phone would be kind of expensive if you dial directly06:00
DocScrutinizerthe nasty part is there are a lot of closed bits around addressbook and dialer06:00
cehtehi think you can dial via dbus06:00
crashanddie_adalal: use skype06:01
adalallike i have a voip application (which i can use while around wifi) that can call US from the UK for £0.005 a minute06:01
DocScrutinizersure, but how trigger dialing via callcard from e.g. contacts?06:01
cehtehand the address book .. well find out if the api offers such else use something else06:01
adalalskype is voip06:01
adalalwhat about calling cards that you can buy from stores..?06:01
cehtehyou can call landline from skype for little fees worldwide06:01
crashanddie_adalal: skype will always be cheaper than calling cards06:02
crashanddie_adalal: just get a 3g network that accepts skype :)06:02
crashanddie_vodafone in the uk does06:02
adalalcrashanddie_: it actually isn't, i can talk to people in india for 5+ hours and spend only £206:02
DocScrutinizerskype is for lussers, and for sure won't help when abroad06:02
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crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: sorry?06:02
cehtehheh i didnt tried if my provider allows skype over 3g ...06:02
adalalso does O2, 3 and all... they have terms and conditions prohibiting voip application06:02
cehtehusing it over wlan06:02
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: I travel worldwide and only use skype06:03
cehtehand i set up an vpn now  .. i could tunnel skype anyways :)06:03
adalali find betamax services very useful and cheap :P06:03
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adalalalthough they dont really have any customer service per say06:03
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: I'd like to have your worldwide roaming dataplan, prepaid for 5 years :-P06:03
crashanddie_adalal: if you love it so much, develop an app for it, if you don't want to do that, don't complain about it06:03
cehteh(i dont like skype, but in lack of worldwide alternatives which are *easy* to use)06:04
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: I'm on average at 800 quid per month...06:04
adalalcrashanddie_: sorry for sounding naggy lol, i was just wondering if there was an application that was being built :P06:04
crashanddie_the answer is no06:04
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adalal800 quid?! they allow that much credit on UK networks?06:04
cehtehemacs has dbus support and bbdb ... go on :)06:04
crashanddie_for all reasons provided previously: nobody uses calling cards from mobiles. In most of the world calling the operator's number (for the calling card access) is overcharged anyway from mobiles06:04
adalali disagree on that :P06:05
crashanddie_adalal: corporate contract06:05
adalalfair enough06:05
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cehtehi didnt even know that calling cards are usable from mobiles06:05
DocScrutinizersure they are06:05
leandroalHow can I add a folder in the N900 menu (in More... or in the main menu) through maemo api, so that I can put only my own links to my applications?06:05
crashanddie_leandroal: look into catorise06:06
cehtehrtfm/use the source .. there are some apps which do that already06:06
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cehtehcatorize and mymenu06:06
DocScrutinizeradalal: if you manage to find someone willing to implement it: an additional service might do the trick (like SIP, IM, etc)06:07
adalalshall.. :P, i wanna get into programming for the n900 :P... jus that uni life makes it so much harder06:08
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crashanddie_adalal: bollocks. You're at uni which means you have more free time than an unemployed bum06:12
adalalcrashanddie_: i wish, but being in year 3 with an R&D project does turn things around06:13
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leandroalcrashanddie_, thanks!06:17
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crashanddie_adalal: people in uni always think they're working a lot. That opinion changes quickly when they start working -- for real (and I'm talking about a real, 90 hour-week job, not 9 to 5)06:22
adalal18 hour days?06:25
adalallegal rules in the UK state 48 hours a week, with certain exceptions... that's almost twice the limit, lol06:26
derf90 hour/week jobs usually involve all 7 days.06:29
DocScrutinizer90h/week jobs usually proove there's a butload of shitty management involved in a project06:33
cehtehintentional shitty06:34
adalaleven then.. .06:35
adalaljus less than 12 hours a day, for 7 days a week, unless you signed for an opt-out, and the employer's seriously abusing the agreement06:36
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luke-jrcrashanddie_: someone working 90 hours a week either has their priorities wrong, or is getting screwed over, or both07:07
luke-jrdidn't someone do a study and find that beyond X number of hours, there's no benefit?07:08
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crashanddie_luke-jr: there's definitely a monetary benefit ;)07:10
ptlwhat should I use when programming in python to the N900: PyQt or PySide?07:10
luke-jrcrashanddie_: so the former option :p07:10
luke-jrptl: PyQt, if you must use Python :/07:11
crashanddie_luke-jr: fair point07:11
luke-jrcrashanddie_: I suppose unless such a person plans to take a year or two off work (perhaps to bootstrap a startup without funding)07:11
ptlif you must use? is python that bad?07:11
luke-jrptl: IMO :)\07:11
luke-jr(and has no family yet)07:12
ptlok, what language do you recommend? C? C++? perl? ruby?07:12
crashanddie_luke-jr: sorry, didn't get that07:12
crashanddie_ptl: C++ takes a long time to compile, but offers fast execution and object-oriented programming, C compiles very fast and executes very fast, but doesn't offer object oriented programming, perl is slow unless you're parsing strings, ruby is crap07:13
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luke-jrptl: for a GUI app, native Qt07:15
ptlI do program already and know much of these languages (except ruby)07:16
ptlbut I don't have experience with mobile programming07:16
luke-jrcrashanddie_: basically, I'm just saying that 90 hrs/wk leaves no time for a PURPOSE to someone's life. work exists to earn a living; living should have a purpose too :)07:16
ptlpython has object-orientation features that sort of exceed C++'s07:16
luke-jrptl: Qt is a language based on (and to some degree compatible with) C++07:17
ptland I am still in the planning phase of a shopping list program.07:17
crashanddie_ptl: remember the 90s?07:17
ptlluke-jr: I know Qt, moc and such07:17
ptlcrashanddie_: ?07:17
luke-jrptl: that's what I'd write a GUI in :)07:17
crashanddie_ptl: try to imagine you have CPU from the late 90s07:17
ptlluke-jr: yeah, but Qt is not C++ only, it has bindings for a number of languages07:17
crashanddie_ptl: do you really want to use an interpreted language on it?07:17
crashanddie_ptl: are your OO requirements so high that you need Python's 2 extra bits at the cost of performance?07:18
ptlcrashanddie_: why not? it would make it easier to debug, it would make it faster to add features07:18
luke-jrptl: Qt is a language, based on C++. Other languages have bindings to utilize the features of the language they are lacking in :)07:18
crashanddie_luke-jr: agreed -- I've stopped doing 90h weeks since quite recently (a month roughly)07:19
ptlcrashanddie_: no, of course not, but how could performance be an issue in a shopping list program? in a menu-driven program?07:19
luke-jrcrashanddie_: much better having a life, no? :)07:19
crashanddie_ptl: hey, I'm just giving arguments, not doing a requirements analysis bro ;)07:19
crashanddie_luke-jr: pretty hard to find things to do -- and not go back to working long hours07:20
ptlYou guys confused me. I was all set to python.07:20
crashanddie_ptl: so if you were all set, why ask?07:20
crashanddie_ptl: just kidding, I know you didn't ask :) Just look at a few apps in C and Python respectively07:20
luke-jrcrashanddie_: Maemo = work?07:20
crashanddie_ptl: if you notice a difference in usability, make a decision based on that, if you can't notice anything different -- or at least for your use-cases, make a decision as well07:21
crashanddie_ptl: but as the person who's going to be developing it, you should feel comfortable, and apparently you much prefer Python than luke-jr and myself together07:21
crashanddie_luke-jr: not at all07:22
crashanddie_luke-jr: well, depends if I'm working with the CTO or not07:22
crashanddie_luke-jr: when he's around me, I kinda blend work and Maemo together :)07:22
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luke-jrcrashanddie_: time to start a family and play catchup to me? <.<07:23
crashanddie_I'm happy with my life mate07:23
DaveQBhildon-desktop is pegging my cpu at 100% usage, I have restarted the tracker-process, pulled out memory cards etc. Any ideas?07:23
crashanddie_luke-jr: that's why I'm not married yet, maybe I want to be happy for a couple more years :D07:24
crashanddie_DaveQB: reboot?07:24
DaveQBI am going to have to reflash this thing I think07:24
DaveQBcrashanddie_  oh done then, so many times.07:24
luke-jrcrashanddie_: if you don't hurry you won't stand a chance though! :p07:24
luke-jrI'm already on #407:24
DaveQBIt's PPID is the maemo-launcher07:25
DaveQBIf that means anything.07:25
crashanddie_DaveQB: did you reboot?07:27
DaveQBOh yeah, about 11 times now.07:27
DaveQBPulled battery for a few minutes while it was off too07:27
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DaveQBIt doesn't seem linked the the tracker and indexing though07:28
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DaveQBThose processes are actually dying eventually, I guess running out of resources.07:28
DaveQBI haven't got strace either, so can't attempt to see what this process is doing... :(07:29
crashanddie_strace would give you way too much information07:29
crashanddie_useless information07:29
crashanddie_check dmesg for the obvious hardware switches in inconsistent states07:29
MiXu-DaveQB: I've had the same issue once07:29
DaveQBNot really, it would help to get an idea of what on earth this process is doing07:29
DaveQBMiXu-  oh?07:29
MiXu-The device eventually regained it's senses after tons of rebooting :D07:30
DaveQBMiXu-  define tonnes? ;-)07:30
DaveQBI have been at this for 3 hours now07:30
MiXu-something like 5 reboots + some waiting time helped07:30
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Shapeshifterwtf?! I just woke up to find that my n900 had developed some dubios hardware fault: the bezel around the keyboard is not so slightly lifted towards me so that there's some light leakage from below and it looks really bad. and I didnt do anything with it.07:31
crashanddie_that's terrible advice07:31
DaveQBShapeshifter man that sucks!!07:31
Shapeshifterand it doesnt let me push it back in, it just comes out again07:32
crashanddie_DaveQB: just reflash and be done with it07:32
luke-jrDaveQB: just install Gentoo and ignore Maemo07:32
DaveQBcrashanddie_  I think I need to, but can't now as I am at work, be a while to I am home.07:32
DaveQBluke-jr  hahaha the GCC screensaver07:32
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luke-jrmy N810 runs Gentoo!07:32
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DaveQBluke-jr god damn! That is crazy07:33
DaveQBThis is my main phone. SO not much tinkering with it for me..07:33
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luke-jrwhy spend money on something that's just a dumb phone? :p07:33
luke-jrN900 practically requires tinkering, doesn't it?07:33
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MiXu-I wouldn't say require, but tinkering with it is very tempting. :)07:34
DaveQBI tinker carefully.07:34
MiXu-But if you don't tinker, it's a waste.07:35
luke-jron another note, KDE 4.3.5 is a drastic improvement over 4.3.307:35
luke-jrI actually am not swapping (on my desktop) for once07:35
luke-jrbefore, I was always at least 2 GB into swap07:35
DaveQBluke-jr  how much RAM?07:36
luke-jrDaveQB: 2 GB07:36
luke-jrDaveQB: note that I actively use about 20 virtual desktops07:37
Shapeshifterluke-jr: i suspect somethings wrong. i have kde on my htpc and it doesnt swap07:37
luke-jrI'm also 64-bit :p07:37
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DaveQBluke-jr  Oh ok. I see07:42
DaveQBWell get some more RAM and all good07:42
luke-jrDDR1 RAM is too expensive07:42
luke-jrit'll have to wait until I decide to upgrade everything07:42
dmj7261Tinkering isn't required, it's encouraged.07:42
luke-jrand besides, as I said, KDE 4.3.5 improves enough that I don't need it :P07:42
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DaveQBAhh ok, got strace installed.07:48
DaveQBhildon-desktop is complaining about resource not availabe. Ref FD 11 which is a socket07:49
DaveQBBloody hell.07:49
DaveQBAnyone good with sockets? :)07:49
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RST38hheya johnx08:49
johnxm00f RST38h08:49
Stskeepsmoo johnx08:50
johnxhey Stskeeps08:50
johnxlooks like I got the debian mobile guys to listen. they can be taught!08:50
RST38hjohnx: Electric shock?08:50
johnxmore evil: harsh reality.08:51
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Corsacjohnx: about?08:54
johnxabout not thinking they can just go and install debian on their N900s then go back and dpkg -i all the Nokia binaries and have something that remotely works.08:55
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threshare 'debian mobile guys' any like 'debian embedded guys' ?08:57
johnxsorry, this is a very specific set of guys on talk.m.o08:57
johnxnot really associated with in any way08:57
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johnxit was really just a case of them walking in to the party late and not realizing that other people had been trying to do the "simply" thing they just thought up for the last 2 years08:59
openstandardsdoes anyone know if we'll ever be able to play videos without KMplayer from the media gallery with extra codecs09:01
Shapeshifterthis piece of plastic is a heap of junk -.-09:02
openstandardswhat Shapeshifter?09:02
Shapeshiftermy keyboard bezel starts coming off.09:02
Shapeshifterthe device is two weeks old09:02
openstandardsreturn it and get a new one from the shop09:03
openstandardsi'm happy with the build quality of mine thou09:03
ShapeshifterYeah I'll go to the shop today most probably09:04
Shapeshiftermh. or maybe in a couple of weeks. the shop still has a huge backlog for ordered devices and none in stock09:05
openstandardsi can't see them having any problem with exchanging it as it is nokia's flagship device its not like its a cheap device09:05
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openstandardsShapeshifter, report it to them now and get them to ring you when they have one in store09:06
Shapeshifterha, there's no nokia shop in my country ;)09:06
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Shapeshifterthe shop where I bought it can exchange it immediately if they have it in stock. else they'll need to get one first09:06
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openstandardssame like mine, however i'm sure they will want to keep your custom in the future so good custom service will bend over backwards for you09:07
Shapeshifterheh. we'll see about that09:08
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tekojoMorning lbt!09:23
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johnxhey lbt :)09:24
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timeless_mbphello tekojo09:33
* timeless_mbp broke terminal.app09:33
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: how the hell d'you that?09:50
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timeless_mbpreally not sure09:51
timeless_mbpi'm wondering if is relevant09:51
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johnxharddisk on the way out?09:53
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timeless_mbpnope, that one left my mbp yesterday night09:57
timeless_mbpthis is the new one09:57
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timeless_mbpi'm running 10.6.209:57
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johnx"that one left" aka you copied an install over from a dying drive?09:58
timeless_mbpnope, we removed it from the mbp and dropped in a new one09:58
timeless_mbpinstalled from scratch09:58
timeless_mbptoday's adventures should include copying over the data09:58
johnxwhat were the symptoms of your old hd dying? failed SMART status? FS corruption?09:59
timeless_mbpdisk drive stopped being silent09:59
timeless_mbpand system would freeze for a whlie09:59
timeless_mbpplus a panic09:59
timeless_mbpthe panic was icing10:00
timeless_mbp(it blamed the sata controller or something)10:00
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timeless_mbpanyway… current problem: why won't let me have a shell?10:00
* timeless_mbp enables sshd and tries to figure out the ip address for this computer10:01
* timeless_mbp kicks presence10:01
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timeless_mbpwhy does it bother telling me "can't connect to one or more accounts"10:01
raphaHi all!10:01
timeless_mbp… there's no network!10:01
johnxwell, what I was getting to in a round-a-bout sort of way is that I kinda suspect there might be more wrong with your macbook than just the dead hd10:01
johnxhey rapha10:01
timeless_mbpseems a bit early10:02
timeless_mbpbut yeah, that could be fun10:02
raphaCould somebody take a look at ? Is the situation really that grim?10:03
johnxhad an imac g5 that would work for weeks after a clean install, then totally corrupt it's disk beyond repair10:03
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timeless_mbpi'm using zfs on both the old and new drives10:05
timeless_mbpwhich i'm suspecting is what saved me from problems in the old one10:05
johnxrapha, doesn't recognize the installations? so if you say "apt-cache policy busybox" what does it say?10:05
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raphajohnx: i'd have to ask the first poster myself as I don't have the issue. But I know he's not the kind of user that you would want to mess around on the command line like that; that's why I'm concerned...10:10
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johnxah, sorry. I didn't pay attention to who posted what :)10:11
johnxUhm, if dpkg actually lost it's list of installed packages ... that's kind of a hard place to recover from10:11
timeless_mbproughly speaking, "you're hosed"10:12
timeless_mbpback up everything, and reinstall from scratch10:12
johnxon a server or something, it could be done by trying to bring a debian install up to a similar state then dumping the package selection into your hosed machine10:12
johnxthen telling apt-get to match that selection10:13
johnx(all in theory of course)10:13
timeless_mbpwell, if you're going to do that, you'd use 'find' to get a file list10:13
timeless_mbpand slowly guess packages on your clone until you get a 'good enough' match10:13
johnxpsssh. let dpkg/apt-get do the work for you10:13
timeless_mbphow can they do that if you don't have a package list?10:14
johnxI mean, on a server you *know* what you have installed (at least at a high level)10:14
raphalooks like i poked into a bee's nest10:14
raphahow can a "normal" user even mess up the system like that?!10:14
johnxI'd guess something got corrupted on flash10:14
timeless_mbpbut wait10:14
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timeless_mbpis this the maemo-users list?10:15
johnxmaybe running out of battery at a very bad moment? or some kind of a crash or battery pull during a package install10:15
timeless_mbpbecause that just looks like a corrupt repository10:15
timeless_mbpand those are normal :)10:15
raphanot on the symbian or windows mobile or apple or what-have-you phones i've seen so far10:16
johnxthe only thing that trips me up is " does't recognize the application installations anymore"10:16
johnxother than that, I agree with you10:16
Shapeshifterdoes someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine, for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0"10:16
raphahmmm who knows maybe he did do a stupid thing ... then ofc it'd be okay10:17
johnxrapha, nah. timeless_mbp is probably right. probably an intermittent problem with the repositories10:18
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johnxif it's still happening in Maemo 6 I'll be worried, but the repositories seem to be in a constant state of "growing pains" recently10:18
timeless_mbpsorry, i wasn't reading the link, just the chatter w/o context10:18
lbtmorning tekojo, johnx :)10:19
timeless_mbpthe link talked about the fremantle ssu repository10:19
timeless_mbpafaik, that repository has much less flux than most10:19
timeless_mbpbut not necessarily none10:19
* timeless_mbp goes back to wondering why refuse to provide working shells10:20
johnxtimeless, does a 3rd party app like iterm work?10:21
timeless_mbpwell, sshd doesn't10:21
* timeless_mbp goes to hunt for iterm10:21
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timeless_mbpiTerm doesn't work10:23
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johnxcool. have you tried switching your preferences to run something else besides bash10:24
johnxalso, did you install something like fink or macports?10:24
timeless_mbpum, my mac might have come w/ some limited portion of a broken macports10:24
johnxI thought you did a fresh install?10:25
timeless_mbpthis was a netboot based install from my employer10:25
johnxit's a hosed install. get a snow leopard dvd and reinstall10:25
johnxaka "reflash" ;D10:25
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timeless_mbp"deploystudio" was the thing that did it10:26
timeless_mbpbut it was working fine10:26
timeless_mbpi was able to use for a while10:26
* timeless_mbp grumbles10:26
timeless_mbpfrontrow just triggered10:26
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johnx:D any jokers with mac remotes near you?10:26
* timeless_mbp tries to remember the magic incantation to make it not do that10:27
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timeless_mbpi sure hope not10:27
johnxthought you would have learned that lesson from copenhagen :D10:27
timeless_mbpif they are, they're outside my window10:27
johnxwell, IR is line of sight ...10:27
crashanddietimeless_mbp: what are you seeing when you open terminal?10:27
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timeless_mbpan empty window w/ a hollow cursor at top left and "Terminal — login — 80x24"10:28
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Shapeshiftereww mac.10:28
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: go into preferences10:29
crashanddieShapeshifter: stfu10:29
johnxShapeshifter, eh. it's just UNIX with a cut-down UI and a crappy package manager ;) (not as bad as RHEL at least)10:29
timeless_mbpfwiw Activity shows that Terminal has one child (login)10:29
crashanddietimeless_mbp: go to the startup tab, make sure shells open with is selected to default login shell10:29
Shapeshifteryeah, it's not _that_ bad ;)10:29
timeless_mbplogin is running as root10:29
threshpackage manager? lol10:29
crashanddiejohnx: what package manager?10:30
Shapeshifterit doesn't have one, right10:30
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crashanddiejohnx: I'm using port and am very happy with it10:30
crashanddieShapeshifter: the package manager doesn't make the OS10:30
crashanddieShapeshifter: you should follow the discussions about MeeGo to realise that10:30
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: this is preferences?10:31
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: yeah10:31
timeless_mbpit says (*) DEfault login shell (/usr/bin/login)10:31
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: what do you mean? Does osx have a package manager?10:31
crashanddietimeless_mbp: ok, try changing it to /bin/bash10:31
Shapeshiftercrashanddie: I mean, sure it's not about _which_ one, but if one or none10:31
crashanddieShapeshifter: you can get package managers for OSX if you really want one10:32
Shapeshifteryeah I know. do they work well?10:32
crashanddieI use port and for all the gnu tools it works fine10:32
Shapeshifterokay that's nice.10:32
Shapeshiftermy main problem with mac is the horrible WM10:32
timeless_mbpcrashanddie: no change10:32
timeless_mbpit still says login10:32
threshgn00 tools never work fine, you must be mistaken.10:33
crashanddietimeless_mbp: dunno, have you tried turning it off and on again?10:33
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timeless_mbpnot yet10:33
timeless_mbpslightly worried :)10:33
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crashanddiedude, you just installed it... reinstalling can't be that bad10:34
crashanddieplus you still have the old drive10:34
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timeless_mbpcrashanddie: most of my work is network based anyway10:37
timeless_mbpirc, gmail, :)10:37
timeless_mbpthere's a gui way to change things that 'defaults write' changes, right?10:38
timeless_mbpa plist editor?10:38
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johnxtimeless_mbp, have you tried having it run /bin/bash instead of login?10:42
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timeless_mbp let me show all files10:42
timeless_mbpjohnx: it's still running login10:43
* johnx is out of ideas10:44
johnxalso: time to get some sleep10:44
johnx'night all10:45
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: didn't I tell you to reboot?10:46
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timelessok, i asked my mac to reboot10:59
timelesshow long should i see the spinner icon?10:59
cos^which directory does microsd card mount into on n900?10:59
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timeless_mbpcrashanddie: you were right, rebooting helped11:16
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crashanddietimeless_mbp: never doubt me again, bitch :P11:18
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timeless_mbphey, how does osx manage the icon for folders like '/Developer'? :)11:20
timeless_mbp-rw-r--r--@ 1 root  admin  0 Feb 25 00:57 /Developer/Icon?11:20
timeless_mbp-rw-r--r--@ 1 root  admin  0 Jun  5  2009 /Developer/Icon?11:20
timeless_mbpthe file isn't very big...11:20
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openstandardshas anyone bothered to sync their n900 up to evolution yet?11:23
CorsacI did11:23
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Corsacit works kind-of fine with syncevolution on the laptop11:23
tybolltso you nokians... Granted we have the meego announcement recently... Will N900 ever be able to use Ovi stuff other than store?11:24
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Corsacyou need syncevolution 1.0 beta or so, and a fitting config file11:24
Corsacmaybe I should document that on the wiki11:24
timeless_mbptybollt: you can already use ovi maps11:24
timeless_mbpit comes integrated w/ your n900 ;-)11:24
tybollttimeless_mbp: meh, I mean the other ovi services11:24
openstandardsCorsac, kind of fine and is it worth the effort? :)11:24
Corsactybollt: what are “ovi stuff other than store”?11:24
timeless_mbpCorsac: files, music, ...11:24
* tybollt throws an old Mac 2SE at timeless11:25
tybolltthat's the stuff11:25
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Corsacopenstandards: it worked, but I have dups problems when doing it again later11:25
Corsactimeless_mbp: isn't that store too?11:25
tybolltCorsac: login to and you will find out11:26
timeless_mbpeach is built by its own team in their own castle11:26
timeless_mbpwith their own moat11:26
Shapeshifterwhat people think of if someone says ovi in this country:
timeless_mbpto fix this, you'd first have to *find* their castle11:26
timeless_mbpand then you'd have to figure out how to cross their moat11:26
* DocScrutinizer frowns on ovi11:26
tybollttimeless_mbp: I care not. I want ovi calendar, MOAR CALENDAR!11:26
timeless_mbpand then you'd have to gain entrance to the castle11:26
tybolltovi calendar is about the ultimate service11:26
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DocScrutinizera decent local calendar was the "ultimate service" :-P11:28
DocScrutinizervcal, ical a nice-to-have11:29
openstandardskinda sad that the n900 hasn't got icalendar support out of the box11:29
Corsactimeless_mbp: must be the reason why I'm kinf of my castle11:29
Corsacking :)11:30
DocScrutinizerbut pleeeease no "OVIcal" with hardcoded URL or somesuch crap11:30
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: You want to update your calendar and backup your phonebook on the web, it is awesome11:30
tybolltDocScrutinizer: of-bloody-course nokia would fuck us over and not let us have that :S11:31
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DocScrutinizerso what makes you think I'd wanted to use OVI for that?11:31
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openstandardstybollt, better to be able to pick your own calendar service imo11:32
DocScrutinizer100% ack11:32
openstandardspersonally i'd rather not have all my details on a cloud somewhere11:32
tybolltovi calendar is one of a myriad of calendar services11:32
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tybolltuse whatever the poop you want11:32
tybolltbut not having ovi at all is BULLSHIT11:32
tybolltevery other nokia phone (well...) has that11:33
openstandardstybollt, its a new platform11:33
* DocScrutinizer shrugs11:33
tybolltDocScrutinizer: boo :P11:33
openstandardstybollt, my e65 has better grouping than the n900....11:34
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tybolltopenstandards: point in case...11:34
villemvlot of juicy packages came through apt-get upgrade (browser, wifi firmware)...11:34
villemvnew MfE stuff...11:34
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tybolltvillemv: huh what upgrade?11:35
tybolltvillemv: is 1.2 out?11:35
DocScrutinizereeeek even more M$ shit11:35
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villemvperhaps it's halfway out? :-)11:35
villemvit was in repos anyway11:35
openstandardstybollt, i understand what you're saying and yes i'm somewhat disappointed however i know its going to get better :)11:35
* Corsac connects its phone11:36
villemvI just ran apt-get upgrade11:36
openstandardslol the repos gonna get hit hard now11:36
villemvperhaps this was 1.1.1 that I never saw11:36
Corsacyeah, looks like that11:36
timeless_mbpthat's probably 1.1.111:36
timeless_mbpmajor updates tend to replace virtually all packages11:37
timeless_mbp1.2 will replace essentially all localization pacakges11:37
infobottimeless_mbp meant: 1.2 will replace essentially all localization packages11:37
Corsaclooking at the mails, they're trying to release 1.2 sdk one week before the os itself11:37
timeless_mbpthe sdk is roughly qt4.6 :)11:37
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Corsacwe'll still be warned one week before11:38
Corsacwell, hopefully11:38
villemvposix-locales is 12.6mb11:38
villemvnot easy on rootfs11:38
timeless_mbpposix-locales isn't interesting11:38
* DocScrutinizer was much more excited about the evolution sync11:38
timeless_mbpkeep in mind that the rootfs does have some compression11:38
openstandardsvillemv, you're evil you got my hopes up :)11:39
ptlnew PR?11:39
petteriit is interesting why there is no utf-8 locale :)11:39
CorsacDocScrutinizer: yeah, I should write a wiki page about that11:39
ptlI am updating to see if there's one11:39
CorsacDocScrutinizer: but I'm not interested with web sync11:39
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villemvyeah... but not enough for my rootfs right now, cleaning up something...11:39
Corsacunless it's caldav for calendars11:39
villemvopenstandards: sorry about that. just reported what I saw :)11:39
openstandardsis there a page i can find the roadmap to the updates?11:39
villemvopenstandards: no such thing exists11:39
tybolltheh roadmap to updates?11:39
tybolltyou gotta be kidding11:39
timeless_mbpopenstandards: what do you mean?11:40
timeless_mbpwe are very clear: we do *not* announce dates/schedules11:40
ptlcool... new update... "Maemo 5", I guess it's PR 1.2 since I had 1.1.1 installed11:40
openstandardswhat about feature wise?11:40
timeless_mbpin general marketing (and reality) prohibit us from announcing features11:40
timeless_mbpeither marketing wants to announce a feature11:40
timeless_mbpor there's a chance the feature will miss a boat11:40
timeless_mbpmaking us look stupid11:40
Corsacptl: look at the version number?11:41
DocScrutinizerptl: big hoax??11:41
Corsac(no updates available)11:41
ptljust kidding11:41
ptldon't kick me :P11:41
timeless_mbpptl: generally if there's a new update available, konttori would be around to comment on it....11:41
timeless_mbpsince he owns updates at this point11:41
tybollthmm that _is_ funny11:41
tybollt_bunch_ of things to update via apt11:41
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tybolltnothing via HAM11:42
tybolltyet again we deduct, HAM is apt-get w/ extra heuristic toi fuck the user based on his location ;)11:42
ptlHAM is Application Manager?11:43
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tybolltHildon Application Manager11:43
CorsacHAM will only upgrade packages in user/ plus dependencies, won't it?11:43
villemvI wouldn't have minded seeing 1.1.1 on HAM as well11:44
threshnothing here :(11:44
threshin apt-get, of course11:44
* DocScrutinizer wonders if Friday afternoon is early this week11:45
tybolltDocScrutinizer: >:D11:45
tybolltthresh: no?11:45
tybolltthresh: I've a bunch of stuff11:45
openstandardswhy exactly did nokia decide on gecko over webkit as they have done work with webkit in the past...11:46
threshwell, no maemo-generic-whatever-whatever11:46
timeless_mbpopenstandards: your chronology is wrong11:46
timeless_mbpwe picked gecko before webkit existed11:46
tybolltopenstandards: why? you dissapointed by microb? I have to say I  never used a better mobile browser and I've seen most shitz11:46
timeless_mbpanother team at nokia happened to be porting webkit to s60 while we were porting gecko to maemo11:46
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timeless_mbpand it's not like the s60 port was remotely useful11:47
timeless_mbpnokia had to later port to s60 *again*11:47
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openstandardstybollt, no i'm not its just very unusual as webkit is the chosen browser for most mobiles these days11:47
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timeless_mbpopenstandards: again, your timeline is totally broken11:48
timeless_mbpmaemo picked gecko long before webkit became the 'generally accepted choice'11:48
timeless_mbpheck, we shipped our products before the iPod Touch/iPhone shipped11:49
Corsacso what, you should have dropped all that work and follow the trend!11:49
timeless_mbpoh, right!11:49
openstandardsi know timeless_mbp its only a recent thing that webkit has generated interest :)11:49
* timeless_mbp ponders11:49
DocScrutinizeryeah, and next week we will get win7 for N900 :-S11:49
* timeless_mbp doesn't actually see any *interest* in webkit11:49
timeless_mbpit might be used, but it's hardly interesting11:50
openstandardswebkit is a f11:50
threshgecko's slow.11:50
threshthou shall port chromium to n900.11:50
villemvwebkit got fast only very recently11:50
villemv(or the javascript engine at least)11:50
DocScrutinizerand I hear devels making up new swearwords for webkit11:51
tybollthead to head, microb vs midori on the n900 - which is better - do tell11:51
Corsactybollt: you're comparing browsers, not engines11:51
villemvbest thing about webkit is that's it's ready-to-go easily for Qt apps11:51
Corsacwebkit lacks some features, midori lacks others11:52
tybolltCorsac: I'm comparing products made out of each engine11:52
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Corsacin the end, midori is my browser of choice on the desktop, but it still lacks important features11:52
Corsac(but kalikiana has only 24h a days)11:52
tybolltin the end midori is _promising_ at best but it has a decade to go before being usefull on the n900 =)11:52
villemvepiphany is as a surprisingly fast dekstop browser11:52
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villemvmaybe even chrome-grade11:53
tybolltfast will NOT cut it for me, I need _compatible_11:53
villemv(now that it's using webkit)11:53
Corsacvillemv: “now”?11:53
Corsacha yes, you're speaking of ephy11:53
CorsacI missed that :)11:53
villemvCorsac: it used to be slow when it was still on gecko11:53
Corsacyeah I really like ephy, even though I don't really use it anymore11:53
openstandardstybollt, webkit is more compatible than you think the css3 support is no doubt the best around11:54
Corsac(when it first switched, it lacked so many features and was so crashy I preferred to switch to midori)11:54
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openstandardsplus the html5 qualities do shine look at how the browser on the iphone works11:55
timeless_mbpvillemv: fwiw, we have Qt bindings for Gecko floating around11:56
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openstandardsis it just me that loves the sound of charging the n90011:57
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villemvtimeless_mbp: oh, didn't know about that. are they similar to QtWebkit stuff?11:57
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: maybe I asked that before (sorry then): is there a keycode for microb to make it jump to start of page (e.g. ctrl-pageup) ?11:58
* villemv is missing a keycode to enlarge font...11:59
Corsacenlarge your fonts!11:59
tybolltenlarge you penis!11:59
tybolltoh wait...!11:59
DocScrutinizerfont-enlargement, amazing 5pt in 4 weeks12:00
timeless_mbpvillemv: they're designed to be, yes12:00
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: sadly i don't think we have one12:00
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: do you have any todo list you could append that, or does it need an enhancement ticket for this?12:01
CorsacDocScrutinizer: start a brainstorm12:01
* timeless_mbp chuckles12:01
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: so...12:01
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timeless_mbpthere really aren't many free keystrokes12:02
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: I'd happily remap my kbd for that ;-)12:02
timeless_mbpi think you can use something like javascript:void window.scrollTo(0,0)12:02
timeless_mbp(wfm in firefox 3.6)12:02
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timeless_mbpif you're lucky, you can convince microb to leave that in your typed url history12:03
timeless_mbp(you might even be able to save it as a bookmark)12:03
openstandardstimeless_mbp, since microb is based on firefox will we ever see mozilla weave support?12:03
* DocScrutinizer makes note about a systemwide (k)hotkeys app12:03
timeless_mbpopenstandards: will you do yourself a favor and stop spouting nonsense?12:04
timeless_mbpmicrob is based on gecko, not firefox12:04
timeless_mbpmicrob has support for addons12:04
timeless_mbpand microb uses places for history12:04
Shapeshiftercan someone give me a dbus call that does nothing really but can be used for testing purposes? (I'm writing something for libalarm and just want to test if dbus calls work)12:04
Shapeshifterlike maybe show a banner or so?12:04
timeless_mbphowever microb does *not* use places for bookmarks (historical deficiency)12:05
timeless_mbpin theory, one should be able to port weave to microb today, and get history syncing12:05
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timeless_mbpyou're welcome to try12:05
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: introspect?12:05
timeless_mbpi think it should also allow you to sync passwords12:05
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: introspect?12:05
openstandardsok sorry for asking silly questions i'm still getting use to mine and i'm just interested in developments its just such an exciting platform and am enjoying owning a maemo device12:06
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: each service is supposed to offer introspect method12:06
timeless_mbpopenstandards: basically your questions are almost ok12:06
timeless_mbpbut you're putting too many things you 'think you know' into them, which makes them less ok12:06
Shapeshifterah, but that doesn't really have a visual effect does it? I mean, for example to test the exec functionality I just did echo "foo" >> /tmp/foo12:06
Shapeshiftersomething like that12:06
timeless_mbpyou should have just asked "could weave be added to/for microb"12:07
DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: you asked for a null function12:07
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timeless_mbpi have no idea if weave supports syncing certificates, however microb uses a system library to store certificates, so depending on how weave implements certificate syncing (if it does at all), it's quite likely that it woudln't be able to sync them12:07
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: sorry, I wasn't clear. I just need some feedback if it worked.12:08
DocScrutinizerdo you need a return code after caller's dbus send? or a visual feedback for the user?12:08
Shapeshifterlike a banner. anyhow, I'm googling how to show a banner using dbus now12:08
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: no just for me, to test if libalarm made the dbus call ;)12:08
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Shapeshifteralarmd rather, not libalarm12:08
mtdShapeshifter: dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:'Hello, world!' uint32:0 string:'NAO OK!'12:09
DocScrutinizershowing banner should be among the dbus examples to be found on jebba's wiki12:09
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Shapeshiftermtd: thanks a lot ;)12:09
mtdShapeshifter: np - as DocScrutinizer, that's from jebba's stuff12:09
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: kicking the vib, or flashing the notifyLED should be there as well12:11
pupnikmaemo has tens of thousands of members and apps can't get ten votes in testing12:11
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: actually testing apps should have a button to fire up the browser on the vote page12:13
DocScrutinizers/button/menu entry12:13
villemvperhaps someone should make an app for testing apps :-)12:14
DocScrutinizerheh :-)12:14
villemv"these apps need testing. Want to install and try it out?"12:14
villemvIf we had that, we could ramp up the vote requirement even12:14
DocScrutinizera briliant idea...12:15
DocScrutinizerthough I'd just include a dependency to apptester app to the tested app pkg, and replace the executable by a wrapper that calls the tester which in turn loads the app to test12:17
villemvyeah, that's one way to do it... but I think it would still be nice to see a list of apps that need testing in one place, along with description12:18
villemvthat could be a web page12:19
* DocScrutinizer thought that's simply all apps in testing repo12:19
villemvyeah, so an app that lists the packages in testing repo12:20
villemvand "invoke install"12:20
Stskeepshmm, a gold edition n9712:20
* Stskeeps wonders about gold edition n90012:20
villemv+ wrapping to submit vote12:20
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w00tStskeeps: gold as in gold plated?12:23
w00tchavs would love it.12:23
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I prefer black12:23
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w00t(morning all)12:23
Stskeepsmorn w00teh12:23
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i want my n900 cover to be made of dark matter12:24
DocScrutinizerhehe, nicely invisible12:24
w00tso.. many.. email12:24
DocScrutinizerprotective effect for barionic interference unclear though12:25
tybollthave you tried turning on the flux capacitor?12:27
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: first prototypes have an issue: N900 always slips out of the protective hull12:27
Stskeepsare we speaking of the pandora or n900?12:28
* w00t lols12:28
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pupnikfor some reason i now get the visible x pointer on boot now12:36
pupnikdo not have to open browser and start a flash site12:37
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lovelyboyafter apt-get install ..., i cant see anything on the menu, where can i get the app?12:54
Stskeepsuse hildon app manager12:54
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pupnikthe app is there or it isnt12:55
lovelyboycheck the uninstall?12:55
lovelyboybut how could i run the app?12:57
villemvdpkg -L packagename12:58
villemvto find out what it installed12:58
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villemvthen run it12:58
lovelyboysince i cant figure out the location where the app is installed by apt-get installl12:58
villemvread above lovelyboy12:58
madduckcan i just install debian armel packages on my n900?12:58
madduckor are maemo packages special?12:58
villemvyou can force anything ;-)12:58
villemvbut doesn't mean it's a good idea12:58
DocScrutinizerthe question is: can you run the executable12:59
* madduck tries with git-core12:59
lovelyboyvillemv, sorry, i typed too slow :)12:59
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villemvmadduck: doesn't seem like a good idea12:59
villemvmadduck: rather try compiling it for maemo13:00
villemvmadduck: btw, someone may have done the compiling for you already...13:00
madduckso armel != armel?13:02
Stskeepsmadduck: maemo has busybox, guess how many postinst scripts break with that13:02
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Corsacmadduck: it works with some packages, but yeah a rebuild is often needed because libs might not be the same, or can not be available13:03
Corsacmadduck: and remember it's an etch base system :/13:03
Corsacmadduck: though I think someone already built git, iirc13:03
Corsacmadduck: but for example, I installed pyhon-scapy directly without a glitch, and had to rebuild iproute13:04
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petterihmm... i downloaded iproute package from debian sid and the binaries just worked fine13:06
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Corsacpetteri: not the libatm-linked ones :)13:07
Corsacpetteri: which is why the package won't install for example13:07
petteriok, i just used ip :)13:07
Corsacso the only thing I did was to rebuild without it13:07
petterimadduck: n900 has tiny root partition, so packages need to be installed to /opt and thus need repackaging13:08
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openstandardswhat do you lot use to play music on your n900?13:26
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KhertanHello !13:26
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pupnikmediabox, mplayer13:27
vesaopenstandards: the media player?13:27
pupnikno that stinks13:28
vesait handles large amounts of files much better than mediabox13:28
pupnikmediabox lets me play a directory13:28
vesai couldn't get it to finish loading, much less play anything.13:29
DocScrutinizermediaplayer doesn't allow editing the current playlist :-(13:29
pupnikyou cant get media player to play a directory13:29
vesayeah the mediaplayer playlists suck balls13:29
vesabut other than that it does its job ok13:30
Arif_mediabox barely works :P13:31
Arif_built in player is above average for me13:31
Arif_it just crashes whenever I start typing to search :D13:32
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openstandardsthe first impression of mediabox's gui is nice13:32
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KhertanUbuntu One currently runs on Amazon EC2 and uses S3 to store files. This will make it easy to scale the capacity up incrementally as new users are added to the beta. Murphy told me that Canonical might eventually host the infrastructure itself on a Eucalyptus  cluster. The server software is primarily written in Python, he says, and it uses some components of Twisted, Django, and Zope.13:33
KhertanHuhu ... this mean that a port could be possible for maemo13:33
Arif_I also use KMPlayer to stream videos =}13:33
vesacanolas ui is nice, media box is pretty bad imo. media player is decent. ui wise that is.13:33
vesacanola still doesn't play music from anywhere else than the default directory though which is kind of meh13:33
Khertanvesa: it s just a matter of preferences13:33
vesaKhertan: ofcourse. just voicing mine =)13:34
Khertani don't like the canola ui13:34
Arif_Khertan, you want to run a server on your phone?13:34
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KhertanArif_: lol13:34
Khertanno ... just only the client13:34
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Khertanclient file sync source is open sourced apparently13:34
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Khertancould be a great things ... as dropbox still havent port nothing to maemo13:35
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Khertandropbears ?13:35
openstandardsdropping bears is cruel13:36
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DocScrutinizerdropping quotes without any context is as cruel13:36
* Arif_ wonders if Maemo 5 will ever get a "share" option in media player :)13:36
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devArif_: have you seen our work on Mirabeau?13:37
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Khertanoh god ... ubuntu one sync daemon is made only of python !13:38
KhertanYOUHOU !13:38
Khertani ll port it13:38
Arif_sounds too French imo :(13:38
* Arif_ reads13:39
devha, it is a name of a nice bridge13:39
Arif_ooo, upnp13:39
Arif_well, you really should change that13:39
Arif_you'll scare people away :P13:39
devbecause of the name?13:39
Arif_just kidding =)13:40
pupnikbeautiful font and good control balance on that vectormine game khertan13:41
Khertantoo french ?13:41
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Khertanthx pupnik13:41
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Khertangrrr /me hate bazzar13:42
devthe thing about Mirabeau is that it automatically shares your media _on the device_ to other UPnP devices in the network (PS3, TVs,...) and can establish a bridge to other home-networks so you can use it as a relay to play e.g. music from your home-nas on the device at your friends lan13:42
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threshnow i'm totally lost13:43
threshcant login on my n900 via ssh as user, using public key13:44
threshthe same key copied to root, works13:44
DocScrutinizercheck permissions13:44
threshwhich ones exactly?13:45
DocScrutinizer.ssh and rsa_key should be 60013:45
DocScrutinizererr, allowed_keys13:45
threshi moved the keys to /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u13:45
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DocScrutinizernever even heard about that13:46
threshit doesnt really matter actually13:46
threshwhere they lie at13:47
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thresh/etc/ssh/authorized_keys/user is totally accessible by user13:47
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DocScrutinizerI don't think I seen this in ssh manpage13:48
threshman sshd_config, if you want13:48
threshAuthorizedKeysSystemFile, if you want13:49
DocScrutinizeractually I don't13:49
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threshor AuthorizedKeysFile, it varies from version to version13:50
threshstill, doesnt work.13:50
threshYes, in order for the key to be accepted, the user account needs a password set13:50
threshbloody hell13:50
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DocScrutinizerthresh: could you give me a hint what's the advantages of keeping the keys in /etc ?13:53
threshon n900, there are none13:53
threshon public machine, it makes sure user cant change their keys13:53
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DocScrutinizerhmm, ok :-S13:54
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crashanddiethresh: that's a stupid argument13:59
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threshwhich one?14:00
crashanddiethresh: moving authorized keys to /etc14:00
crashanddieon a multi-user machine, that is14:00
threshit depends on how you suppose this machine should work.14:00
crashanddiethere is _no_ supposition involved, whatsoever14:01
crashanddiethere is just no benefit14:01
threshyes there is. you can manage user keys using package manager, for instance.14:01
crashanddieyou move them from one place to another place, which is non-standard, when all that matters are access rights14:01
threshwhich one is non-standard exacrly?14:02
strcpyhas anybody verified packet-injection capability for N900 wifi ?14:02
crashanddiehaving them in /etc14:02
crashanddiestrcpy: not possible14:02
crashanddiethresh: you can manage the files through a package manager in /home as well14:02
threshcrashanddie: if you do trust your users, yes.14:03
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strcpycrashanddie: Are you sure about it? I've heard from some sources about some results... (HDM for instance, if you know)14:03
threshhowever it's kind of stupid to manage something in */home* using a PM14:03
crashanddiestrcpy: I don't, but you ask, I answer, what's the point of asking if you won't trust my answer?14:03
crashanddiethresh: you're an imbecile who believes in security through obscurity14:04
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threshfuck you14:04
nid0handbags down, ladies14:04
crashanddieoy, no need for the f word14:04
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crashanddieor take a trip out of the channel14:04
tybolltcan you have multiple MFE's in an n900 or will it only allow for the on instance?14:05
crashanddietybollt: only one afaik14:05
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DocScrutinizerthresh: anyway I just tested with authorized_keys in ~/.ssh and *without* password14:07
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threshDocScrutinizer: I did try that of course14:08
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threshDocScrutinizer: does it work for you?14:08
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DocScrutinizerif "no password" means "*" in /etc/passwd14:08
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thresh! is probably disabled14:09
threshbeen a long time since i read passwd man page14:09
threshyeah, that worked14:09
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crashanddiecan't read manpages and can't formulate an opinion or argument those of his colleagues/mentors14:11
crashanddiewelcome to linux14:11
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wazdtybollt: next time you wanna bet - ask me :D14:15
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tybolltwazd: :'( .se got kicked out as well14:16
* tybollt sigh14:16
tybolltwazd: atleast .ru lost again .ca... we lost against... slovakia?!?!?!?14:17
SpeedEvilThe UK is doing so well at this olympics!14:17
SpeedEvilWe're only getting gold medals.14:17
SpeedEvilNo silver or bronze.14:17
wazdtybollt: heh :)14:18
tybolltyou have ... the one gold, eh speedy?14:18
SpeedEvilWe don't really invest in winter olympic sports - hence...14:18
threshyeah russia sucked in a game14:18
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: EHLO!14:18
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wazdthresh: saw it live, seriously, it was beating, not a game :)14:20
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: then again, we don't have winters14:22
SpeedEvilHad a semblance of one this winter.14:23
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: at best, we get two weeks of mushy snow that halts the trains and empties our salt reserves, but it's not like we have any decent places we can go skiing, boarding, luging, jumping... etc14:23
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VeggenSpeedEvil: snow-covered ground for how long?14:24
Veggen66 days and counting here....14:24
SpeedEvilVeggen: here ~30 I suppose14:24
threshyou cant beat moscow snow this year14:25
SpeedEvilI think it's snow covered at the moment, but I'd have to get out of bed to find out.14:25
Veggenshould get around to do the ski-to-work plan, one day.14:25
threshalmost a meter here14:25
Veggenthresh: ah, not far from a meter here either, I think.14:25
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Veggenand we don't really get winter normally, either.14:26
Veggena week now and then, but rarely longer.14:26
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Arif_anyone know how to get 3GP streams to work in KMPlayer?14:27
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* DocScrutinizer does a dance of joy at 13C, sunshine, and finally all snow gone outside. Heads out for a walk14:29
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: 29C and counting14:30
DocScrutinizersunny half of the ball?14:30
GeneralAntillesArif_, I agree.14:30
Arif_I iprefer 25-30 C :D14:31
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DocScrutinizerIt's not that I prefer low temp like +13C. Just I don't have the choice14:32
Arif_sure you do14:32
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* SpeedEvil would love 13C. (inside). /me is having cashflow issues.14:33
Arif_KMPlayer doesn't play 3GP streams apparently14:33
* Arif_ complains some more in his head :P14:33
thresh3gp doesnt refer to "stream" at all14:33
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: start the compiler!14:33
fralsbuiltin player does, doesnt it?14:33
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threshwhat's the protocol?14:33
fralsor wait streams nvm14:33
fralsonly tried it with 3gp files14:33
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threshmplayer can do rtsp, if built with live55514:34
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Arif_I just got the version from the repositories ;P14:34
threshwell check the way it was built then14:35
threshand then file a bug, if it was not14:35
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: and EOS 40d for 350 pounds... should I go for it?14:35
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, do it.14:36
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crashanddieI could probably get another one cheaper14:36
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SpeedEvil instead!14:36
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: no lens, so I'd have to shell out roughly $1000 for a good lens14:37
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yeah, but lenses have longevity.14:37
crashanddieThere's a 30d I could pick up for even less...14:37
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GeneralAntillescrashanddie, I'd go with the 40D, personally.14:38
GeneralAntillesI've handled both in passing and found the bigger screen a really nice addition.14:38
GeneralAntillesPlus the automatic sensor cleaning is nice.14:38
DocScrutinizerbtw, I noticed a significant improvement in maincam macro focus and exposure. Seems this got some fix, no?14:39
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: placed a bid14:39
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: actually, it comes with a lens apparently14:39
GeneralAntillescrashanddie, EF-S 18-55mm? :D14:40
crashanddiei wish14:40
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crashanddieguy giving away a 17-55mm USM IS for free :D14:40
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crashanddieGeneralAntilles: nha, that's what I'd wish for14:41
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X-Fadecrashanddie: 1m to go ;)14:41
GeneralAntillesLooks like a 1.8 50mm?14:42
X-Fadecrashanddie: But seems a good deal.14:42
crashanddieI shouldn't really14:42
GeneralAntillesX-Fade's gonna snipe it out from under you14:42
crashanddieI have plenty of fun with my pana14:42
GeneralAntillesDo it!14:42
GeneralAntillesYeah, but SLR gives you more options.14:42
crashanddieand pay postage from oz?14:42
aquatix40D <314:42
crashanddieespecially with a 40d14:42
GeneralAntilles30 seconds!14:42
X-FadeNo international shipping ;)14:42
crashanddieI went from N900 photography to LX3 prosumer p&s to 40d14:42
GeneralAntillesSLR is so much fun14:43
crashanddiewon it14:43
aquatixcrashanddie: ooh :)14:43
X-Fadecrashanddie: Not bad.14:43
X-Fadecrashanddie: Order some batteries, as this one is most likely dead.14:43
crashanddieX-Fade: will order in time14:43
crashanddieI just got my filters for my lx3 today14:44
crashanddieI'm an idiot14:44
X-FadeAt least that is what happens with my Canon cams.14:44
aquatix3rd party batteries are fine14:44
* aquatix has various14:44
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wazdwow, titanium iPhone is real in the end14:44
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wazdthis guy has lot's of skills then14:46
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wazdStskeeps: nokia should hire him for hardware design like now :)14:47
lovelyboyapt-get does not work in scratchbox, seems cant connect to the host14:47
crashanddielovelyboy: yes it works14:47
gouverneurlovelyboy: what says resolve.conf? are you root or using fakeroot command?14:48
Stskeepslovelyboy: there is a faq on this14:48
lovelyboyi shall check that problem14:48
wazdStskeeps: btw, before the proving video my thoughts was "wow, what a render! Someone should hire him as lead 3d modeller or something" :D14:49
gouverneurwazd: and what make the n910 worth $900?14:49
wazdgouverneur: I think n910 is a piece of crap14:49
wazdgouverneur: just look at it's designs14:50
threshwhut? n910?14:50
wazdthresh: ;)14:50
wazdgouverneur: thank god they fixed "space" button at last14:50
matthew-wazd: the nec n910?14:51
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gouverneurwazd: I think you are another stockholm syndrom hit14:51
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wazdgouverneur: yep, I am :)14:51
wazdmatthew-: :D14:51
gouverneurwazd: so you own at least two apple products and you love them!?14:52
* GeneralAntilles wishes vBulletin would italicize quotes properly.14:52
furunk3lyes hello!14:52
matthew-gouverneur: I do!14:52
matthew-more than 2 and I love them!14:52
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: css?14:53
matthew-1) OS X14:53
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, yeah, gonna file a bug right now.14:53
matthew-2) MacBook Pro14:53
matthew-3) Mac Pro14:53
matthew-4) iPod shuffle !14:53
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Add a patch or it doesn't count ;)14:53
wazdgouverneur: I use only apple products in my life14:53
wazdgouverneur: cause Steve Jobs is awesome!14:53
gouverneurmatthew-: are you an professional artist/designer/musician/historician?14:53
matthew-gouverneur: nope14:54
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matthew-nope, finance14:54
wazdgouverneur: how apple is connected with professional artists I wonder? :)14:54
gouverneurmatthew-: you should consider to see a doctor some day soon....14:54
wazdgouverneur: Adobe has it's software for windows for like 15 years already :)14:55
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gouverneurwazd: performance of all adobe products sucks within windows env14:55
wazdgouverneur: sure14:55
matthew-gouverneur: Why? Try Matlab performance. MAC > Windows14:55
wazdgouverneur: that's why CS4 PS is 20% faster :P14:55
matthew-gouverneur: or try to produce some 3d models of simple functions14:56
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matthew-but with a lot of data (like 5y+ back)14:56
matthew-and you'll see why finance should use mac'a14:56
wazdmatthew-: try to use CUDA14:57
wazdmatthew-: and you'll be surprised :)14:57
sar3thtry to play a game14:57
sar3thyou will be surprised14:57
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gouverneurmatthew-: yeah I understand some use cases for macs but only for work reasons or professional use and not as consumer goods14:57
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sar3thit don't work on mac :P14:57
wazdsar3th: actually you're wrong14:57
wazdsar3th: veeery wrong :)14:58
matthew-wazd: CUDA?14:58
sar3ththen come play bioshock 2 with me wazd14:58
matthew-sar3th: play WOW14:58
matthew-sar3th: and you'll be in shock :)14:58
sar3thWOW = fail14:58
matthew-or CS214:58
sar3thCUDA, the art of hijacking your GPU to do what you want14:58
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gouverneurlets stop this fight... the true fact is that the sentence "you need to jailbreak if you want to do that" points out that all people using and loving mac are some kind of stockholm syndrom deseased14:59
gouverneursame counts for microsoft at some point14:59
sar3ththanks gouverneur, both agreed15:00
wazdgouverneur: thaks, doc15:00
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wazdgouverneur: my life so miserable before you came15:00
sar3thbut, i have to say 1 more thing: wazd, cider = wine -> performance sucky sucky15:00
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matthew-gouverneur: Well, the fact is, I use MAC for a reason. And I dont want to do anything more ;-)15:01
sar3thsoftware should just be multi-platformed and or opensource15:01
sar3ththen we are all good and win :)15:01
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wazdsar3th: - performance looks fine to me15:03
ali1234what is cider? like wine?15:04
threshit is15:04
sar3th15fps? lol15:04
sar3thlet's drop it now wazd15:04
sar3thwe both agree that we disagree ;)15:04
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ali1234i find wine works pretty well15:05
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: zfs is my friend15:05
wazdI'm not using any apple product, and I was suggesting nokia to hire that guy cause he's a very skilled CADer/prototyper cause titanium is not the best material to use. And there's no n910 btw15:05
timeless_mbpi'm booted from my 10.6 mac w/ my 10.6 /Users/timeless15:05
timeless_mbpbut once i zpool imported my 10.5 disk, it overlayed /Users/timeless from there, so now i'm staring at my 10.5 desktop and my 10.5 apps :)15:06
wazdso I gues there's a problem in your head cause you're going out of mind every time someone's mentioning "apple" :D15:06
GeneralAntillesI think Apple has a wizard for that. :P15:06
sar3ththat might indeed be true wazd15:07
sar3thwhanks gouverneur15:08
sar3thmaddox ftw15:08
wazdgouverneur: and?15:08
gouverneur;) I love him!15:08
wazdgouverneur: what sould I say now? :)15:08
gouverneurwazd: nothin...15:09
wazdgouverneur: then what's the point? You wanna talk bout your iPhone hatred? :D15:09
gouverneurdid... I did... it was so painful..15:10
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timeless_mbp(hence colloquy)15:10
sar3th"Can't do fundamental tasks like copy & paste text:" <-- i was so amazed when i copied stuff on my n900 using ctrl+c :D15:10
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wazdsar3th: yeah, to copy text from your e-mail you should *forward* it first :D15:11
wazdsar3th: amazing15:11
sar3thit is, copy some commands from the webbrowser and insert them into xterm->double win + laziness :D15:12
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fzfq3mhi guys...15:16
fzfq3mA stupid question: Is it possible to change nokia N900 Base bands??15:16
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fralsis it possible to get download statistics from -devel that are currently available from extras?15:18
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gouverneurfzfq3m: what do you mean cell frequencies? wifi?15:19
fzfq3mgouverneur:HSDPA bands15:19
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gouverneurfzfq3m: how should that be possible?15:19
fzfq3mgouverneur:In my country we got three oprators... two working at 1900 and 1 working at 90015:20
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gouverneurfzfq3m: nope, afaik it is hardware limited, at least there is no info and the drivers dont change to other bands than the fixed15:21
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fzfq3mgouverneur:just asking, Long ago I owned a Motorola C333 and I got it flashed with a firmware different from stock one... that firmware changed the base band of the C33315:24
joppuAndrewfblack: pong15:24
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fzfq3mgouverneur: I went like crazy when the c333 started cause it didn´t was able to pickup my operator network :-P15:25
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SpeedEvilIt may be possible to change to bands that are not supported by the hardware15:25
fzfq3mSpeedEvil: but then there will be a penalty right? Due hardware being optimized for specific bands??15:26
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alteregoAnyone know if it's possible to keep track of the current home screen being displayeed?15:29
SpeedEvilfzfq3m: it may not work at all15:29
alteregoCouldn't find anything in gconf for it, no dbus event, though I wouldn't have expected that really.15:29
SpeedEvilfzfq3m: or it may have a range of some meters from the cell tower15:29
JaffaMorning, all15:33
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TomaszDguys, please test and vote for
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SpeedEvilTomaszD: I'd like to see hooking it to the accel.15:41
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TomaszDSpeedEvil, it's amazing right now15:41
SpeedEvilTomaszD: so that passing an orientation counts as 'next'.15:41
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hrwwho I should ask to get changelog view fixed?15:44
hrw - changelog view is broken a bit15:44
TomaszDhrw, X-Fade I think15:44
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achipaanyone with a quick point what GPIO/ioctl/etc turns *on* the red led between the white flash ones ? I'd like to make an astronomy friendly version of flashlight...15:45
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Arif_shake2control is b0rked15:47
X-Fadehrw: That would be me.15:47
hrwX-Fade: nl2br() please on changelog entries15:48
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hrwbtw - did someone wrote really short 'quick introduction to extras-devel->testing->extras queue for developers'?15:49
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X-Fadehrw: Did you use * for new entries?15:49
hrwnot only *15:50
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lovelyboyhi, me again. apt-get update still fails after i edit the /sources.list15:51
hrw       * change details15:52
hrw         more change details15:52
hrwthats what Debian policy says about changelogs15:52
X-Fadehrw: Indeed.15:52
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X-Fadehrw: just need to see of I can be smart about some new lines.15:52
lovelyboyi think it's the problem of /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf, but dont know how to fix that15:53
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X-Fadehrw: wanted to prevent hard breaks in a fluid div.15:53
hrwX-Fade: <pre>entry</pre> would be easier15:53
hrwbut yes, can break design15:53
X-Fadehrw: No pre is the source of all evil ;)15:53
hrwX-Fade: so write complex parser ;(15:54
X-Fadehrw: I wonder if there is a max line length.15:54
hrwanyway looks like I need to dig deep into maemo wiki and infrastructure to understand how extras migration (devel->testing->normal) works15:54
hrwX-Fade: assume 80 chars15:54
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X-Fadehrw: yeah, will try to fix the layout at least. Now it looks weird.15:55
hrwok, so simple question then: I uploaded package (mdbus2) into autobuilder. package is in extras-devel now. will it migrate to extras-testing by its own or should I dig into and click magic buttons?15:56
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X-Fadehrw: go to the arm version of the packge.15:57
X-Fadehrw: click on promote.15:57
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hrw lacks such button (and I am logged in)15:57
X-Fadehrw: But you seem to be missing: XSBC-Bugtracker:15:58
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hrwX-Fade: there is no bugtracker for packaging of that app15:58
* hrw wants lintian on maemo15:58
X-Fadehrw: It is one of the requirements for Extras.15:58
X-Fadehrw: andre__ can give you one, or you can fill in mailto:youremail.15:59
hrwso "XSBC-Bugtracker:" will do?15:59
hrwthx andre__16:00
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Andrewfblack_Stskeeps: Ping16:08
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Andrewfblack_hmm guess I'm still online at home hello Andrewfblack16:09
mgedmin/msg nickserv ghost Andrewfblack?16:10
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hrwno new rumours about PR 1.2?16:14
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nomishrw: I could make one up.16:16
nid0ovi maps 4.0 coming in 1.2!!11!16:16
nomisnid0: srsly? Oh wow!!1!16:16
RST38hmoo all16:17
GeneralAntilleshrw, why? Which would you like? ;)16:17
Arif_nid0, will it teleport me to my destination?16:17
RST38hhrw: There is a hope for the official Ctrl-Shift-I in the browser16:18
RST38hhrw: At least romaxa says UX people are *considering* it16:18
nid0not as such, but it does actually fold space for you when you tell it where you want to go, so you can step forwards and you're there16:18
Arif_it's useless then16:18
Arif_even apple has it!16:18
mgedminfold space? like guild navigators?16:18
Arif_in iPhone OS 3.3!16:19
nid0yep, theres a tiny little reservoir of spice in the battery compartment16:19
mgedminsupply your own spice, I bet16:19
nid0unused till now16:19
RST38hFinally, a syringe included with the softwareupdate...16:19
Arif_so THAT's why the N900 is so thick!16:19
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wazdcan anybody please hit me with harmattan UI framework images?16:21
wazdRST38h: heya16:21
Arif_I can just hit you ...16:22
Stskeepswazd: a couple of pages back16:22
* Corsac hits wazd 16:22
wazdArif_: bad idea :D16:22
hrwX-Fade: "Failed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest list." on
wazdFailed to load component net.nehmer.static: Component not in manifest  list.16:22
wazdomg, they kileed! You bastards!16:23
X-Fadehrw: Should be gone now.16:23
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Arif_don't worry, it'll be back the next episode16:23
wazdX-Fade: what happened to download stats btw? :)16:23
X-Fadehrw: Was during cache flush, changelog should be batter.16:23
X-Fadebetter even.16:23
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hrwX-Fade: much better now. thx16:24
RST38hwazd: moo indeed!16:24
* VDVsx moos at RST38h ;)16:25
X-Fadewazd: You like?16:25
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wazdX-Fade: well, they all skyrocketed :)16:25
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X-Fadewazd: I now have the actual akamai stats.16:25
RST38hVDVsx: How is suffering today? =)16:25
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wazdX-Fade: great!16:26
RST38hColEm 2.6.0-2 goes into Extras16:26
* Arif_ has no Coleco vision roms16:26
VDVsxRST38h, dunno :D16:26
wazdX-Fade: OMWeather gone from hot top at all, but I actually like it :)16:26
hrwwaits for mdbus 2.0.0-3 in extras-devel...16:26
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* Arif_ waits for a better GBA emulator16:26
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wazdX-Fade: that UI design doesn't deserve to be in top :D16:26
RST38hVDVsx: Isn't it troubling not knowhing how you are gonna suffer today? =)16:26
X-Fadewazd: hehe.16:26
Arif_and someone port a megadrive emu, damnit16:27
RST38hArif: Do it yourself, why wait?16:27
VDVsxRST38h, lol16:27
wazdStskeeps: you demon, I'm tired of hitting "older" link :D16:27
Arif_RST38h, easier said then done16:27
VDVsxwazd, sec16:27
wazdVDVsx: found it :)16:28
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RST38hArif: Good, start toiling.16:28
wazdVDVsx: thanks anyway :)16:28
Arif_I'd rather not16:29
VDVsxwazd, see, I'm really fast ;)16:29
wazdVDVsx: you had it bookmarked, cheater :P16:29
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VDVsxwazd, no no, thunderbird search ;)16:30
VDVsxI've the planet feed there16:30
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wazdVDVsx: ah :)16:30
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wazdVDVsx: I thought you'd try to convice me that you've searched trhu pages :D16:31
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wazdI remembered where I saw that "home" icon16:31
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Arif_that person needs to meet someone else16:33
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VDVsx  (eheheh, always making funny rumors)16:35
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Arif_they should make it available on their own phones first16:36
pillar_Arif_: :)16:36
Arif_*cough*N95, N9000*cough*16:36
hrwVDVsx: WM and Android have already *working* maps16:36
Arif_but are they free16:36
Corsacn9000 ?16:37
Corsacnew rumor!16:37
pillar_Update: Nokia just got back to us with an unsurprising response: "have spoken to Greig and he absolutely didn't make that statement.16:37
VDVsxhrw, yes, but you need a data connections, no offline maps16:37
* Arif_ fotoshops an N9000016:37
VDVsxand Google maps doesn't has turn by turn nor pedestrian outside the US;)16:38
Arif_the title won't fit anymore soon :(16:38
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hrwVDVsx: WM has offline maps apps16:38
hrwVDVsx: tomtom, automapa, mapamap, easymap, igo and few others are working under wm16:39
Arif_they're not free!16:39
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VDVsxhrw, same for android16:39
VDVsxprices from $99 to $25016:39
* wazd begs his head to stop generating UI ideas16:39
Arif_There's a Turkish saying: free vinegar tastes better than paid for honey :P16:40
VDVsxaccording to endgadget16:40
hrwArif_: my tomtom 3rd with qvga has better software/hardware then n810/n90016:40
Arif_really, why would they have so good hardware for just mapping :P16:40
hrwArif_: offline gps fix in seconds instead of years (n810/n900)16:41
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Arif_we have some tomtom one laying around here somewhere16:41
Arif_I don't know what gen :(16:41
Arif_but yeah, phone GPS mostly sucks :P16:41
hrwcpu power etc sucks a bit as it is s3c2410/200MHz with 32MB ram but anyway is much faster then any nokia tablet/phone gps16:41
Arif_but I never use GPS16:42
Arif_so I don't care :D16:42
Arif_I care more for the media player to improve16:42
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hrwgps saved me lot of time in Brussels, London, Cambridge and other places where I was for first time16:43
* hrw -> coffee16:43
mgedminiirc gps never helped me, but maps did16:45
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Arif_by the time you got a gps fix youarrived to your destination?16:49
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* Stskeeps crashes after a long day and gets around to watching Rebuild of Evangelion17:04
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Jaffabergie: seen VDVsx's request for karma corrections?
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bergieJaffa: nope, missed that. I'll be offline for tomorrow (15h in airplane, fun), but early next week I could probably do any karma calculator changes you guys want17:11
bergiejust tell me what to do17:11
Jaffabergie: Ask VDVsx ;-)17:12
JaffaThe new algorithm (community-agreed, IIRC) obviously needs some further tweaks now it's put into practice.17:12
VDVsxJaffa, well, community-agreed + non-agreed changes ;)17:13
JaffaVDVsx: I was trying to be diplomatic ;-)17:14
* Arif_ yawns17:15
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bergieVDVsx: so yeah, just let me know the concrete changes that need to be made17:16
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VDVsxbergie, not really sure about blogs, so far anyone suggested a good formula, perhaps some sqrt again :D17:17
VDVsxI'll ask again and send you a email over the weekend17:18
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Shapeshifterhumm humm, no XDG env variables :o17:20
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crashanddieJaffa: replied to your email17:29
Jaffacrashanddie: ta17:30
crashanddieJaffa: you woke me up, I actually put an alert on your emails this week on the BB17:30
crashanddieI'm off, later17:30
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corecodehow do i select text in an email?17:33
Jaffacorecode: Reply & shift-cursor keys17:33
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X-Fadeyes, ugly. I think there is a bug for that.17:35
Arif_can't you use hte mouse thingy like in SMS/web browser?17:35
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hrwhi Andrewfblack_ konttori17:37
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pupnikaha so N900 wifi does not use sdio17:38
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konttorihrw: ho17:40
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lupine_85odd, the n900 doesn't seem to like nxec wifi17:44
hrw - anyone wants to test?17:44
* SpeedEvil was just using that.17:45
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hrwSpeedEvil: mdbus2?17:46
hrwhow do you like it?17:46
SpeedEvilit seems to work basically.17:47
sar3th|awayis it possible to force the media file indexer to re-index?17:47
SpeedEvilhelp text from --help should be available with help in interactive mode maybe17:47
sar3th|awaynevermind, it just started17:47
SpeedEvilCashback from n900 just came through.17:51
tybollt"free cash - click here!"17:51
* Corsac checks his account17:51
w00tSpeedEvil: cool17:51
SpeedEvil(topcashback - ordered through
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w00tmine is there too17:54
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hrwsar3th|away: "tracker-processes -r" in terminal resets tracker17:55
SpeedEvilTakes my n900 down to 208 quid. :)17:56
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* Arif_ needs a new toy17:56
SpeedEvil(eventually) - 255 o far.17:57
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mgedminSpeedEvil, where did you buy it?17:57
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w00t(read up 5 lines, tsk)17:58
mgedminmy coworker is drooling looking at a n900, but one local operator sells it for the equivalent of 650 quid17:58
mgedminthe other local operator doesn't have it at all17:58
w00tmgedmin: what the hell?17:58
tybolltw00t: sorry I just like saying "w00t"!  :)17:59
w00tit's cheaper *directly*17:59
w00t£499, without discounts17:59
mgedmindoes that include VAT?17:59
mgedmin(my quoted price does)17:59
w00tyes, it does17:59
tybolltisn't that the entire point of subsidising phones and why consumer authorities try to outlaw doing so... they can charge (albeit over time) a H U G E premium from the user.18:00
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w00ttybollt: well to be fair, they usually provide contract as well as the phone, so it does end out cheaper18:00
SpeedEvilmgedmin: i happened to get it when several voucher codes were valid.18:00
w00t(though there are definitely bad deals)18:00
SpeedEvilw00t: well - it depends.18:00
w00tsee my addendum to that :P18:00
tybolltw00t: no, it really rarely does18:00
w00tok, let me rephrase18:00
nid0it actually does work out cheaper most of the timer18:00
tybolltw00t: because often they charge you an amount you "get to call for"18:00
w00tit usually ends out cheaper *if you do your homework*18:01
SpeedEvilw00t: t-mobile (uk) works for me at the moment. pay-as-you-go. With a 6 month 1G/mo internet package for 20 quid.18:01
tybolltw00t: HELL yeah18:01
w00tif you're the sort to just take the one with the lowest figure, you're an idiot18:01
w00tbecause it *will* bite you in the ass by e.g. being a 24 month contract at that low figure18:01
nid0in the uk at least, if you have an airtime requirement that would cost you more than about £15 a month for just the sim, you're better off to get the contract that provides the phone as well18:01
tybolltw00t: I'm actually an idiot - though I don't take the one w/ the latest figure anyway :)18:01
w00tthe problem I have is that some good contracts with good providers have shit coverage in hull18:02
nid0my contract is gonna cost me £660 over 2 years, but theres no way id get all my calls and data usage for £250 in that same period having bought the phone simfree.18:02
w00te.g. vodaphone18:02
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Arif_contracts are always better than simfree :p18:05
w00tthey aren't for me, because my contract is company provided18:06
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w00tso paying extra for a contract I wouldn't use would be stupid18:06
Arif_you already have a contract then18:06
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w00tit doesn't come out of my pocket, though ;)18:07
Arif_does it have mobile internets?18:07
nid0in fairness my o2 contract on this phone isnt all that amazing18:07
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nid0shitty CPW :<18:07
* Arif_ has TMobile NL18:07
Arif_it's the only provider in .nl with no internet limitations18:07
Arif_other providers have 250MB(!) monthly caps :o18:08
nid0uk providers are all between 500mb-2gb ish18:09
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Arif_256kbit streams ftw :P18:09
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X-FadeArif_: Do you use them on N900?18:11
X-FadeArif_: Urls? :)18:12
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* Arif_ points at DVBVIewer+Recording Service18:12
Arif_it streams satellite radio without transcoding! :D18:13
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zaheermgreat #5810 is now resolved18:15
Arif_as wontfix? :P18:15
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w00tOne Nokia employee went to London: "Verified that now network time was properly18:16
w00tupdated also in London."18:16
w00tI can't help but think how epic it would be to have a company purchase you a plane ticket for bug testing18:16
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Arif_I'd gladly help18:17
Arif_Nokia should buy me a plane ticket to Turkey18:17
w00tI concur with this line of thought18:17
w00tthey can pay my next trip home to australia18:17
w00tGMT+0 -> GMT+10 needs testing, after all18:17
Arif_to be sure18:17
Arif_I can fly back and forth every few weeks18:18
tybolltaustralia == home? Lucky basterd :D18:18
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w00ttybollt: it's where I was born, yes, I don't live there any more18:18
CorsacI'll try CET → PST soon18:18
* SpeedEvil submits bug 9098 - Long pressing on a location on nokia maps does not give you a teleport option.18:18
povbotBug Some contacts not syncing to NuevaSync18:19
tybolltSometimes I feel like flying out of this god forsaken snowcovered hell hole that is sweden and never return :)18:19
CorsacSpeedEvil: too late :)18:19
w00tSpeedEvil: you know, when I was stuck on a 4 hour train journey yesterday, I was thinking "goddammit why don't we have teleports yet."18:19
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aquatixw00t: and then you remembered Hyperion?18:20
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Corsacit's in endymion18:20
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* Arif_ hopes bug 9020 will be fixed :P18:22
povbotBug Media player crashes when trying to search in ''All songs''18:22
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Arif_handy bot18:22
Pillumyay, im online with my n900 ;)18:23
w00taquatix: whatever reference that is is lost to me I'm afraid18:23
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Arif_have fun IRC'ing on that awful keyboard :P18:23
aquatixw00t: if you're a bit into sci-fi, I can really recommend it18:24
Pillumi have fun :D18:24
aquatixPillum: :)18:24
aquatixmy other guess :)18:24
Pillumhehe :)18:24
w00taquatix: thanks, i'll look into it ;)18:25
Pillumfor me the keyboard is perfect!18:25
Arif_I have XChat installed but I haven't started it yet :D18:25
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Arif_oh a stupid question btw18:25
Arif_how do I use the auto complete18:25
SpeedEvilctrl-i is tab18:25
Arif_sometimes suggestions appear but I don't know how to say "yes, use that"18:25
Arif_sorry, I mean then typing18:26
aquatixd-pad maybe?18:26
Arif_I use the virtual keyboard18:26
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Arif_there's no arrow right!18:27
Sentriright arrow does indeed accept the auto completion18:27
Sentrion physical keyboard18:27
Arif_maybe that's becasue I have ukeyboard and Turkish layout18:27
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Markus23Is there a normal text editor which can show multiple files on a sidebar?18:28
Sentrion virtual you just touch the word18:28
Markus23like kate?18:28
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Markus23I have kate running in easy-debian, but it is using a lots of resources, such simple thing like file editor could be more efficient for n90018:28
Arif_Sentri, thankst hat works :D18:28
Markus23It must be plain text files, not html or anything else18:29
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Pillumthat would be easy to code18:29
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Pillumjust add some tabs to leafpad18:30
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Markus23Pillum: so leafpad allows to edit a single plain text file?18:31
Markus23does it at least remember the last file which was opened?18:31
Pillumit can edit a single plain text file18:32
Markus23Pillum: yeah, thats a starting point :-)18:33
Pillumbut it doesnt remembers the last opened file :(18:33
Markus23ugh ;(18:33
Pillumit also has some basic text editing functions like search, replace and jump to18:33
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Texratlol... I forgot I stayed logged into this18:42
* w00t waves at Texrat 18:42
Stskeepsfirst allnighter!18:42
wazdsomebody kill me please :(18:42
* Texrat kills wazd18:42
aquatix /kb wazd18:42 hands wazd an ýPhone18:43
* Arif_ hands wazd an ýPhone18:43
TexratArif still having trouble with text :D18:43
aquatixArif_: a whyphone?18:43
wazdheh, that's how you love me? :D18:43
aquatixStskeeps: gmta :)18:43
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Arif_that was supposed to be an i with no dot18:43
* Texrat steals candy from wazd18:43
Arif_get better fonts!18:43
* wazd cries18:44
Arif_how about now18:44
Arif_different UTF8 settings per channel ftl18:44
wazdeyephone )18:44
Texrathow about a !phone18:44
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Arif_what about the Apfel ichHandy18:45
wazdseriously, I need to work, but everytime I try to concentrate I just get an awesome UI idea and draw it :(18:45
TexratI hear ya wazd18:45
wazdmaybe I need a doctor or something :(18:45
Texratit doesn't help that I hate my real job18:45
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Arif_I have the opposite18:45
Arif_I have nothing to do :P18:45
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* Texrat wants to make money in MeeGo ecosystem18:46
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Texrat<-- for hire18:46
Arif_submit apps to Ovi......wait18:46
Arif_you can't ;(18:46
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Arif_but don't worry18:47
Arif_they added a Shrek 4 trailer!18:47
Arif_There is hope!18:47
* Texrat quits worrying18:47
Markus23leafpad works nice18:47
Markus23mmh, how can I change the desktop entry, so that it directly edits a file?18:47
wazdmy idea to make MeeGo UI video will definitely screw my life completely18:47
Markus23its somewhere in xdg/menus or?18:47
Markus23but where exactly :-) ?18:48
Arif_I hope Maemo 6 will not be on N900 when I think of it18:49
Arif_more reeason for me to buy a phone with thought out port/speaker placement!18:49
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Markus23Arif_: do you think support for Maemo 5 will be better when Maemo 6 is not available for N900?18:50
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Arif_they'll just forget the N900 existed :P18:50
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nid0rather have better thought out keyboard than speakers tbh :(18:55
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Arif_well you can use the keyboard if you get used to it18:58
Arif_but the speakers are a joke :P18:58
* Khertan Texrat haha ... you ll not be able to make money on meego ... before need dev, users, devices, ....18:58
* Texrat is amazed to see Arif cough up an N9618:59
Arif_also the keycord thingy is placed on the wrong side18:59
TexratKhertan, MeeGo could hire me!18:59
KhertanHaHA !18:59
Arif_if its dangling around your neck the microphone is facing down!18:59
TexratANY job but the one I currently have18:59
Arif_Nokia should hire a real life tester18:59
Arif_e.g. me19:00
Arif_Texrat, what is your job :P19:00
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TexratArif: software change amangement-- which is okay, it's actually the boss/employer/work environ19:00
KhertanN should ... wait i must shut up ... it s completely in the opposite direction of the meego way19:00
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Arif_Texrat, you should work for Nokia19:01
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Arif_they change software every week or so19:01
TexratArif: I used to work for Nokia19:01
* VDVsx hires Texrat as official coffee supplier for the Meego community :D19:01
Texratthey eliminated my job19:01
* VDVsx hides19:01
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* Texrat loves VDVsx19:01
* Arif_ hates coffee19:01
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Texratmmmmmm.... coffeeeeeeee...19:02
Arif_I prefer Turkish tea19:02
VDVsxTexrat, Where's my coffee ? ???19:02
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Arif_and not the painted water crap they have here in Holland19:02
TexratVDVsx: sorry, I drank yours19:02
SystemParadoxuh oh. My N900 USB connector is broken...19:02
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TexratSystemParadox: welcome to a growing club :/19:03
pupnikhi Texrat :)19:03
* Texrat is working from home again, wife is sick19:03
Arif_welcome to one of the minority groups thats ignored by Nokia!19:03
pupnikhad a lot of thinking to do after our talk19:03
Texratwe talked?  I missed it :p19:03
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pupnikcouldnt sleep19:04
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* Arif_ feels he's in a channel with a lot of old people o.o19:04
TexratArif, Nokia not ignoring... the giant is just slow to turn19:04
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Vanadisi have a music album which starts with "..."19:04
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Arif_Texrat, it's so much more emotional if you call it ignore :(19:04
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wazdI've resisted!19:05
* Texrat just had Life cereal for lunch19:05
Vanadisit can not be found by the media player, because it's hidden -.-19:05
wazdI turned off my pc!19:05
Arif_I have all my music in one folder19:05
pupniktry mediabox Vanadis19:05
Arif_mediabox didn't like my music collection too much19:06
VDVsxTexrat, seriously, the community would benefit for sure some paid(full or party time) community workers for key non-teck areas, if it grows as I'm expecting ;)19:06
wazdStskeeps: can you mail me what changes should I make in marina's controol?19:07
VDVsxbut that's not easy as we know :)19:07
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Arif_VDVsx, so we get assured everythings alright? :P19:07
VDVsxwazd, I've the solution for all your problems :D19:07
wazdVdvsx: wow) a colt? :D19:08
VDVsxwazd, get a job as UI/UX for mobiles19:08
wazdVDVsx: oh, thanks, captain O :D19:08
* Arif_ sends wazd to Apple19:09
VDVsxI think would be the perfect solution, don't you agree ? ;)19:09
wazdVdvsx: be sure I already was looking for a spot in maemo ui team)19:09
wazdVdvsx: but they stay silent I guess :)19:09
* VDVsx has a contact at Apple Ireland :D19:10
Stskeepswazd: add "Provides: hildon-theme" in second "section"19:10
Arif_VDVsx, ask him when iPhone os will stop sucking19:10
wazdSooo I'm making a MeeGo UI showcase video to prove that I'm worth to get a reply :)19:11
wazdStskeeps: oh, ok19:11
SpeedEvilwazd: will you be doing this video on a snowboard at 70MPH?19:11
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VDVsxArif_, he works in the mobile team, but I don't dare to ask that, I'm a friendly guy :D19:12
wazdSpeedEvil: basejumping ,)19:12
Arif_you're a whatnow?19:12
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Arif_The weather in Instanbul is being bad again methink19:14
Arif_I'm getting bad reception ={19:14
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Texratwazd: I have seen many openings for UI/UX design in Nokia lately19:15
TexratVDVsx: I have some applications in to Nokia now, but they are IT infrastructure roles...19:17
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TexratI have seen nothing for MeeGo that I could do, yet19:17
* Arif_ is still a student :O19:17
Texratsome roles available but I cannot relocate to them :(19:17
pupnik  Palm stock taking heavy hits19:18
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SystemParadoxhuh? How is palm still afloat?19:19
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Stskeepsdid anyone analyze nokia stock after meego?19:19
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TexratStskeeps: no analysis from me, but I have been buying NOK for some time ;)19:20
Texratlast time I did I made a very nice profit19:20
SpeedEvilIt seems to me that the collision detection is broken, and you can sometimes fit a block through openings it shoudln't go through if it can fit in the final position.19:20
VDVsxTexrat, really ?19:20
Texratbought around $14 and sold at around $30 USD19:20
TexratNOK will go up again19:20
VDVsxTexrat, and if you keep the stocks, do you earn anything ?19:21
* VDVsx is a stocks noob19:21
TexratVDVSX: yes, dividends19:21
nid0nokia do pay dividents19:21
Texratgood dividend too19:21
13WAAFQRH:\ yeh but you hafto pay tax on the profit19:21
Texratnot in a retirement account you don't19:21
Texratwhich is where I trade19:22
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VDVsxTexrat, you sound like a Portuguese now, always making schemes to no pay taxes :D19:22
nid0blimey, 50 eurocents a share at last dividend date?19:22
StskeepsTexrat: much praise for both having NOK stock and helping the usb plug issue :)19:22
nid0my stock's with barclays19:23
* nid0 facepalms19:23
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Stskeepswackl: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesmt merge with the black of the devic19:24
Stskeepser, wazd19:24
Stskeepsand he's not here19:24
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hrw|gonebye all19:37
TexratVDVsx: no scheme, that's the way retirement accounts work in the US ;)19:37
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* Texrat likes Ststkeeps' new nickname for wazd: wackl19:37
Texratbergie: hey19:37
VDVsxTexrat, it's the same here, it seems ;)19:38
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* VDVsx knows a new scheme thanks to Texrat :D19:38
Texratbergie: for Brainstorm I am considering designing a data model as I see the process... would that be useful?19:39
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JaffaTexrat: Long lagged pong, btw19:39
TexratJaffa: forgot to sign out19:39
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bergieTexrat: sure... if we're not happy with the existing one19:39
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Texratrunning very tired lately19:39
Texratwazd: Stskeeps has given you the new nickname wackl19:40
Texratbergie: I have not seen the existing Brainstorm data schema... could I?19:40
wazdStskeeps: I love ya too :P19:41
TexratJaffa: did you see my in-process presentation for MeeGo user experience framework?19:41
Stskeepswazd: you know, one thing i dont like with marina.. the top bar doesnt merge with the black of the device19:41
wazdStskeeps: should it?)19:41
Stskeepswell, doesn't have to19:42
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Stskeepsbut black is really black on this thing19:42
* Texrat is about to conclude lunch break and get back to crap work19:42
Arif_mmm, lunch at 18:4219:43
TexratArif: lunch on Texas time ;)19:43
wazdStskeeps: it won't merge anyway cause it's not oan led screen19:43
wazdAn oled*19:43
Texratbergie: :)19:43
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JaffaTexrat: Thanks - will look after dinner.19:43
wazdstskeeps: can you pm me please?)19:43
VanadisAnybody knows, if the SDSDQ-016G-E11M (Sandisk microSDHC 16GB) works in N900?19:44
Arif_why shouldn't it19:44
TexratJaffa: may need your input on further developing app, package and OS metadata19:45
Vanadisbecause, ever when i bought a memory card it didn't work19:45
Stskeepswazd: done19:45
Vanadisbought a 128mb for my old Nokia 3650 -> didn't work19:45
Vanadisbought a 512mb for my old Nokia 6680 -> didn't work19:46
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Arif_you're one unlucky person ;(19:46
Vanadiswell, i guess i'm just go to buy one -.-19:47
TexratJaffa: I referenced your donation attributes suggestion but it will likely need to change for MeeGo19:47
* Arif_ has a 16GB card working at least19:47
VanadisArif_, what model do you have?19:48
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Arif_it's a kingston one19:48
Arif_don't know the exact model19:48
TexratI will be updating the content of the user xp presentation a bit later today19:48
Texratgot good suggestions yesterday after meego-meeting19:49
joppuIs it bad if I attend the Mobile Dev Camp even though I'm really not a programmer? It's like 10 minutes by walk from where I live.19:49
xnt14how do I stop all hildon-destop stuff?19:49
Texratjoppu: no19:49
Texrat:joppu: do it19:49
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xnt14I run /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop, and my widgets are still there19:49
joppuTexrat: Thanks, sure will do :)19:50
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Texratjoppu: we developers were just users once too ;)19:51
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jo-erlendon n900, can I just use dd to backup the entire system like I would with my desktop?19:52
Arif_walk around complaining about their apps :P19:52
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joppuWell I actually do have released a few themes :D19:53
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jo-erlendwant to experiment a bit, but I need to restore my system later.19:53
SystemParadoxjo-erlend, um, why would you be using dd on your desktop?19:53
SystemParadoxseriously- rsync19:53
Texrattime to get back to work... later all19:54
xnt14jo-erlend: just rsync your data to your desktop and then do what you want, if you screw up, just reflash and put your data back19:54
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jo-erlendsystemparadox: to dump the content of a hdd to some other storage in case of failure, for instance.19:54
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SystemParadoxjust save the files19:55
SystemParadoxdisk images are silly19:55
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Arif_stop backing up your pr0n19:55
SystemParadoxjo-erlend, there is almost never any need to save the partition structure, so why bother?19:55
jo-erlendit's alot more work to manually restore everything later...19:55
SystemParadoxI find the opposite19:55
SystemParadoxoften if I'm restoring it'll be to a different disk19:56
SystemParadoxor I'll have taken the opportunity to resize partitions19:56
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SystemParadoxin any case, I really really don't recommend dd for embedded devices19:56
SystemParadoxbecause the partition table is not something you're supposed to be messing with19:56
jo-erlendhmm. ok19:56
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SystemParadoxplus, rsync can do nice fast things like incremental backups19:57
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Arif_you have a "backup" button too somewhere...19:57
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jo-erlendyes. I don't know how to restore it when the n900 doesn't have an os though.19:58
xnt14jo-erlend: you can reflash19:58
pupnikthe pressure sensitive touch screen is magic.  how does it survive pockets?19:58
infobotflash is, like, For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @, or wget, or ap19:58
evilrobI have images on my memory card from my other camera.  Is there a way to get to those from the UI (for attaching to emails)?  They're in /media/mmc1/Images.  Do I just have to copy them all to /media/mmc1/DCIM ??19:58
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Arif_stupid bot19:59
infobotdselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update19:59
pupnikevilrob: iirc those should get picked up by tracker19:59
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pupnikstop Arif_19:59
infoboti heard flashing is
Arif_there you go19:59
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VDVsxjoppu, you can offer your help as designer to one of the themes ;)20:00
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evilrobpupnik: they were viewable in the photos app, but attachment UI browses through a path.  can't get to root.  and they're both vfat filesystems so I can't symlink20:00
xnt14how do I stop all hildon-desktop services? /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop doesn't seem to kill widgets and the menubar.20:01
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pupnikevilrob: i dont know that "UI".  You can send via email from photo sharing20:02
evilrobemail, add attachment20:03
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pupnikah sounds like a missing feature.20:03
joppuVDVsx: haha, but one of what themes? :P20:04
VDVsxjoppu, err, I meant team, lolol20:04
pupnikperhaps a bug/enhancement report is in order evilrob20:04
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joppuVDVsx: :D20:05
VDVsxjoppu, there's a small IRC channel for the event/contest -> #nokia_mdc20:05
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AntiXpucTрш еруку20:14
AntiXpucT* hi there20:14
AntiXpucTwhich jabber clients for maemo5 you can recommend?20:14
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AntiXpucT(except default and pidgin)20:15
Stskeepsmaemo5 itself20:15
AntiXpucTStskeeps, maemo is OS, not jabber client ;)20:15
Stskeepsyes, but it has built in jabber20:15
Myrttiexcept default and pidgin - I didn't know there actually were other options yet20:15
jo-erlendwhat's wrong with telepathy?20:15
Lumpio-...however it comes with integration for IM20:15
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Myrttiand pidgin it self in any platform is kind of half assed stupid bloody...20:16
* Myrtti huggles bitlbee+irssi20:16
AntiXpucTjo-erlend, all is fine, except contact manager doesn't support gruopchats, can't hide offline contacts and can't change "priority"20:16
Lumpio-I want to start using bitlbee but I'd need to rethink my window layout20:17
Lumpio-And key bindings20:17
Lumpio-I don't have space for IM windows D:20:17
MyrttiLumpio-: bitlbee as window 2 and split windows with that window is on the upper split20:17
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Myrttiwith that bitlbee channel window20:17
Lumpio-Does that really work nicely on a small-ish screen20:18
Myrttisure, do you want me to take a screenshot?20:18
MyrttiI don't know if I've got a screenshot tool installed on my n800, let me check20:18
Lumpio-I guess that one didn't have a global hotkey for it like the newer ones20:18
Lumpio-(Newer as in N900 >_>)20:18
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Arif_aww, no ctrl shift p in the N800?20:20
Arif_you should demand a firmware update to Maemo5 :(20:21
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lcukArif_, how would that work20:24
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lcukforced update20:25
lcukerr not forced20:25
lcukbut you know what i mean20:25
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Arif_Myrtti should demand an update to maemo 5 on the N800 to use ctrl shift p :P20:25
lcukeither that, or just patch the current screenshot tool to support same thing20:26
lcuki do like screenshots20:26
Arif_just like everyone is complaining about Maemo 6 on the N90020:26
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Markus23Arif_:  maybe because Maemo 5 is so great :-)20:29
Markus23Arif_: where do you guys have all the information about Maemo 6?20:29
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Arif_what information?20:30
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Arif_I just make things up :P20:30
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MyrttiMarkus23: maemo 6 is made of cheesecake20:30
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lcukw00t i got another fp on slash20:31
Arif_I hear they're making a chocolate flavor too20:31
Markus23Arif_: so people complain about Maemo 6 on n900 without having any information about it?20:31
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Arif_complaining is awesome20:32
Arif_you should try it20:32
Markus23I think Nokia could learn something from apple - there are also lots of rumours there, but they are mainly positive :-)20:33
Markus23Arif_:  I am rather looking forward to the next update :-)20:33
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Arif_yeah, but the actual product sucks unlike Nokia's :p20:33
Myrttioh god, the neverending Apple vs. Nokia battle20:33
* Myrtti gets the popcorn20:33
* Arif_ steals Myrtti's popcorn20:33
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Markus23Myrtti: no, I only pointed out that Apple controls the rumours better then Nokia, nothing about the products :-)20:34
Arif_I remember the iPad rumors20:34
Markus23about real products there are no rumours :-)20:35
luke-jrso... rumour has it that Apple has superior rumour control than Nokia20:35
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Arif_Mediamarkt DE leaked it'd be 500€20:35
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Arif_it was 450€ for the 3Gless 8GB version20:35
Myrttieveryone has seen this, right?
luke-jrheh. is that a tautology perhaps? :p20:35
Arif_and the 3G 32GB version was like 900€20:35
Milo-anyone here know how to do dh_make on gentoo linux? can't find a package for 'debianizing' my src package :/20:36
Markus23I heard nothing about n900 before it was released20:36
Arif_Myrtti, does it fly?20:36
lcukMyrtti  o_O20:36
Markus23and unfortunately I hear a lot about apple products before they release :-)20:36
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luke-jrMilo-: say what?20:37
Milo-luke-jr reading qt packaging guide for maemo, and it says I have to do dh_make to debianize my package..20:38
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Milo-can't find dh_make for gentoo20:38
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wolf^Milo-, find some project that already has debian/* stuff and steal it20:39
wolf^much less pain in the ass20:40
Milo-it does say you have to modify it manually anyways :P20:41
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luke-jrMilo-: Gentoo isn't Debian20:41
MyrttiLumpio-: the tag is a bit weird, but anyway
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Milo-luke-jr I know20:42
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Lumpio-oo, hm20:42
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Lumpio-I guess that could work20:43
Lumpio-Just need to configure the split properly (not really used to them in irssi)20:43
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Myrtti/w new split20:43
Lumpio-I wonder if bitlbee does file transfers yet20:43
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Myrttithen just move the window you want with /window move up to the upper split20:43
Myrtti/save and /layout save and tadah20:44
MyrttiI also have couple of nifty scripts that put stuff on my statusbar20:44
Myrttibut yeah, this is how I roll20:44
Myrttihave since 200... er, 200520:44
Myrttioh god I feel old20:45
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Arif_how old? ;P20:45
Myrtticonsidering it's approximately 14-15 years since I started using IRC... very old20:45
Lumpio-My oldest IRC logs are from 2001 I think...20:45
Arif_you ARE old!20:45
dassuArif_: like 5 years after the release date20:46
Lumpio-I wish I was born earlier :(20:46
Myrttiyeah, I turn 30 this year.20:46
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dassu:) Oke20:46
dassuMyrtti: Are you going to throw a party or what?20:46
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andre__anybody knows how to debug the fact that my SIM card does not allow data roaming? I can imagine that it's a provider issue, but still...20:46
Myrttidassu: nah, I don't want to get wrinkle cream and I've got plenty of knitting pins and yarn already20:46
lcukMyrtti, which country will you be in on birthday20:47
Myrttilcuk: I have no idea20:47
lcukcos if you are in uk you can have a tea party20:47
Arif_and a weed party in .nl?20:47
dassu:D tea party seems gay20:47
Myrttidassu: and what's wrong with that?20:47
dassuBut most likely the only parties I will ever attend :(20:47
dassuMyrtti: Well. No music and people dancing20:48
* Myrtti dreams of a nice cup of tea, scones, clotted cream, strawberry jam...20:48
Arif_andre__, my Turkcell sim doesn't even allow cell calls outside Turkey ;o20:48
Myrttitea parties ♥20:48
lcukdassu, Myrtti is fem20:48
lcukladies are allowed to have them20:48
Arif_you put jam in your tea?20:48
MyrttiArif_: on the scone20:48
MyrttiArif_: apparently russians put jam in their tea20:48
Arif_I prefer Turkish tea20:49
andre__Arif_, uhm :-(  Calls mostly work. Still I wonder if I can get some output... currently it simply silently fails...20:49
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andre__which is also shitty from a user POV20:49
Arif_some providers here in .nl let you enable/disable roaming, more than that I don't know though :(20:50
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* Myrtti searches for the most cliche screenshot of her collection
Myrttino, that doesn't have pink bliss in my emacs yet20:51
Myrttithere you go20:51
Arif_too much pink :P20:52
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cos^lcuk: you should say because instead of cos, cos it's proper english20:52
cos^and doesn't cause highlights20:52
RST38hMyrtti: Purple! Ponies!20:53
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lcuklol sorry cos^20:57
lcuki didnt realise you were lurking20:57
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Myrttiwas watching #ubuntu the other day and there was a guy that abbreviated bloody everything20:57
Arif_hy hw ru?20:58
MyrttiI had to think for three minutes what he meant with s. a. install emacs20:58
cos^i wonder why irssi doesn't require ^ for highlight20:58
lcukcos you probably set cos as a specific highlight20:59
lcuklike i have bacon tagged20:59
MyrttiI've got pink20:59
* Arif_ notes this down for later20:59
lcukspeaking of which Myrtti i have a pink case20:59
Arif_so if i say pink bacon....20:59
Myrttia friend of mine has marmite20:59
lcukjust nothing to go inside it20:59
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lcukis for tracy21:03
w00ti want one21:03
lcukwaiting for something to fill it tho :)21:03
* w00t will buy one!21:04
* Arif_ stays away from w00t21:04
MyrttiI'll prolly knit my own21:04
MyrttiI've been planning to knit one for my N800 for a year now21:04
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Arif_why don't you make a pink case for it instead?21:05
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MyrttiArif_: yarn comes in multiple colours, dear.21:05
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Arif_paint your case different colors!21:06
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corecodeso there seem to be two adblock plus packages21:15
corecodeone from browser-extras, one from maemo-extras21:15
corecodewhat's up with that?21:15
corecodealso only one of them seems to work21:15
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mtdcorecode: which one?21:20
corecodeif i knew21:20
corecodei don't even know how to test21:20
corecodewhich page has ads?21:20
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shinkamuimy phone is running slow21:24
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corecodedid anybody succeed in sharing passwords between desktop firefox and microb?21:24
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corecodei copied the sqlite db, but didn't seem to work21:25
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corecodeoh wow21:30
corecodemy catalogs just all disappeared :/21:30
* Myrtti kicks google mail21:30
corecodegah. sources.list is empty21:30
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ShadowJK/etc/apt/sources.list is supposed to be empty21:35
corecodei just noticed21:35
corecodedid an apt-get update manually21:35
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corecodesomehow the database was corrupted21:35
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corecodeseems you have to restart browser a couple times21:37
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ShapeshifterWhere should I report bugs for the libalarm python bindings?21:59
Shapeshifterbaraujo: thanks22:00
RST38hWhat is going on there anyway?22:00
RST38hWhy is everyone so eager to be present in Apple AppStore?22:00
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Arif_RST38h, another fart app?22:04
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Shapeshifterpoor lizardo22:10
Shapeshifterreceives so many python bugs22:10
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lizardoShapeshifter: I'm just the default assignee :P (must be a real user...)22:10
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Shapeshifterlizardo: ;)22:11
ShapeshifterDoes anyone by any chance know a guide how to generally submit bugs? I think I already know the code problem to this one
povbotBug 9277: can't action.set_dbus_args() because of bug in alarm.pyx (line 191)22:12
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lizardoShapeshifter: I didn't understand the question22:21
lizardoShapeshifter: the fix is obvious as you said, so we will fix it ASAP :)22:21
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Shapeshifterlizardo: thanks :) I'm having a hard time finding out where on the device alarm.pyx is stored even. It obviously aint /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages. I tried looking in /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib and using find but I can't find it.22:23
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lizardoShapeshifter: it is a source file for cython (a binding generation tool)22:23
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lizardoShapeshifter: you will not find it on the device, only on the sources22:24
villagercython is more than a binding generation tool22:24
Shapeshifterlizardo: ohh okay.22:24
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villageryou can write full python extensions in cython, maybe even write your whole program if you want22:26
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lizardovillager: sure, but in this case it is being used as a binding generatio tool (that's what I meant :)22:27
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villagerI've used cython to speed up some core parts of one of my python programs22:27
Shapeshifterbtw; does someone know what I need to set for libalarm to have an infinite number of recurrences? I can set event.recurrences_left to something > 0 and it will work fine for that number of times, but if I set it to 0 it will raise and error "alarm_event_is_sane: recurrence_cnt > 0 and recur_count = 0"22:32
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SpeedEvilset it to 2^32-1?22:32
ShapeshifterI'll certainly live longer than that, har har22:33
corecodeis there a zsh pkg?22:33
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Shapeshiftercorecode: I think not.22:34
RST38h"...shows a high amount of wear with several unidentified teeth marks, presumably made by children."22:34
corecodecopying signons.sqlite doesn't seem to work22:37
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rendarmaemo is debian with X-window system, so a normal application written in Xlib should work in maemo, or not?!22:39
SpeedEvilRST38h: I thought it was
villagerShapeshifter: I think the official way is to set it to -122:39
villagerShapeshifter: at least my code does...22:40
villagerI think I got it from some example22:40
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Shapeshiftervillager: ahh, thanks.22:42
RST38hS[eed: oh yeeaaaah22:42
villagerhmm yes, the libalarm docs do say -1 = infinite22:43
SpeedEvilthere have been good debrided corpse studies on that22:43
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rendarhey, anyone can reply to me?22:47
jacekowskican anybody recommend good small BT keyboard that works with n90022:47
jacekowskii was thinking about mac keyboard22:47
rendarhi shinkamui :)22:47
Arif_jacekowski, dealextreme?22:48
shinkamuiman, I love me some dealextreme stuff22:48
Arif_dealextreme ships to UK :P22:48
shinkamuidirt cheap22:48
corecodeis armel little or big endian?22:48
jacekowskicorecode: el22:48
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shinkamuiunfortunately they wont ship lasers into the US22:48
corecodewhat is el?22:48
jacekowskicorecode: endianess little22:48
shinkamuiwe have some gay law about lasers that can cut paper22:48
corecodecould also mean embedded linux :)22:49
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Arif_I have one of those green lasers that pop balloons22:49
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corecodepost good dx links22:50
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Arif_go browse it :P22:50
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shinkamuiI bought a blueray laser that is supposed to be able to burn dark paper22:51
corecodeit worked22:51
Arif_what did?22:51
shinkamuithe two cr2 batteries only last about 8 minutes22:51
corecodeif you copy signons.sqlite and key3.db from .mozilla/firefox/* to maemo's .mozilla/microb22:51
shinkamuinever burned anything22:51
corecodeyou will have all auth info22:51
shinkamuibut the beam is visible in daylight22:51
ShadowJKyou know maemo5 doesn't support bluetooth keyboards out of the box, right?22:52
jacekowskiShadowJK: afaik it does22:52
Arif_now I do22:52
jacekowskiShadowJK: it doesn't support apple keyboard22:52
corecodeshould i write about this spectacular finding somewhere?22:52
corecodeis there a better place?22:53
jacekowskibut standard bluetooth keybaords are supported ootb22:53
Arif_Apple sucks22:53
ShadowJKit should be simple to enable it though22:53
ShadowJKenable for normal bluetooth keyboards if they arent supported ootb22:53
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jacekowskiit's simple to enable apple keyboards as well22:53
jacekowskiyou just need to add kernel module22:53
Arif_I don't want to buy a 20€ keyboard for 80€ with an ugly half eaten apple picture on it22:53
RST38hoh really?22:53
RST38hwhat kernel module?22:54
jacekowskiArif_: apple keyboard have one advantage over other keyboards i've seen, it's more robust and it's smaller22:54
jacekowskiRST38h: apple-hid22:54
Arif_nothing from DX is robust22:54
RST38hhow is it different from normal hid btw?22:54
ml-mobileArif_:  It's only $20 if there's an equal one for that price...22:55
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Arif_RST38h, it will refuse to work on non apple devices :P22:55
Arif_unless you leethax it22:55
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* RST38h sighs22:58
* SpeedEvil is using a screen protector from dx, has a lighter from dx on his keyring, and is typing through a usb-ps2 converter from there. Oh - and the 1G sd in my n900 is from there too.22:58
RST38hso, to understand better, still no end-user ready .deb package to make the eivl apple kbd work?22:58
Arif_SpeedEvil, I have serveral card readers, lasers, lighters, flashlights and whatnot from there22:59
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Arif_only bad experience I had was with an FM transmitter which was bad22:59
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KegetysI have quite a bit of dx stuff as well, usb chargers, bluetooth mice, photography stuff, laser, etc. etc. most of it is excelent for the price23:00
Arif_oh right23:01
Arif_I have tons of cables from DX!23:01
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Arif_too bad it takes 4 years for items to ship XD23:01
* Arif_ throws DX packaging at mrmg23:02
HuuGodoes mouse work well with N900?23:02
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ShadowJKime things that are "immediately" ship fairly quickly23:03
ShadowJKeverything else is pure chance23:03
pupnik_HuuGo: i use pc mouse with n900 via synergy23:03
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HuuGopupnik: someone told me pointer jumps from one edge to another23:04
Arif_how exactly do you use a mouse on the N900?23:06
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pupnik_HuuGo: smooth here23:07
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pupnik_install synergy on pc and n900.  set up config.  then when you move mouse over edge of screen it appears on n90023:07
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Arif_no I meant23:08
Arif_what use is it?23:08
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Arif_do you get a pointer on the N900 screen?23:08
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mrmgI didn't get a pointer. :-(23:09
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Arif_you just click randomly untill you get where you are ? :D23:09
pupnik_mrmg: need to swap a real pointer for the n900s blank pointer23:09
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mrmgpupnik_: where do I do that?23:10
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pupnik_you got synergy set up?23:11
Take0nhello, is the source code of maemo which runs in Nokia N900 available somewhere?23:11
mrmgpupnik_: yeah23:12
pupnik_alright i am cooking .. will find in a bit23:12
ShadowJKTake0n, there open components and closed components23:15
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: the nasty thing is you obviously can't stop cam from kicking in when slider opens, as that's mce and preloaded cma app, or so I'm told23:16
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DocScrutinizeralso I have no idea how to "start" cam in still / video mode forced23:17
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Take0nI read recently about a linux port to Sonyericsson X1 and try to understand how it was done.. I have a nokia N97 which runs symbian but should be able to boot linux, at least without X.. but don't know how it works so wanted to take a look at the source code of maemo :P23:18
Arif_You got an N97?23:18
Take0nhopefully I will still have a phone tomorrow23:18
Arif_poor you ;p23:18
Take0nyeah I know :P23:18
Arif_S60v5 needs moar coreplayer23:18
ShadowJKTake0n, on N97 the biggest problem is figuring out how to flash something on there, and how to get the bootloader to load a linux kernel23:18
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ShadowJKSo far nobody has figured it out23:18
Arif_you should wait for Symbian^3 and ^4 and play around with the source23:19
ShadowJK <- Even on Maemo Devices, the bootloader (nolo) and flasher are closed source components :)23:19
corecodeDocScrutinizer: yea, i keep having that issue with mbarcode23:19
ShadowJKAnd on Maemo Devices we've of course got the bootloader setup to boot our kernel, and the flasher (available for both win and lin) knows how to flash a new kernel of our choice..23:20
Take0nbut isn't it possible to somehow move the bootloader? :P23:20
DocScrutinizercorecode: yup. SpeedEvil and me talkinfg bout flashlight improvement, but same problem basically23:20
Take0nI am trying to find tutorials or manuals on how such ports are being done..23:20
corecodeDocScrutinizer: although the camera app just closes23:21
Take0nArif_, I know.. I still wait for a 5th ed coreplayer release.. :\23:21
Kegetysis there some way to right click in dosbox on n90023:21
Arif_Take0n, that was the ONLY reason I held back on buying an N9723:21
* Arif_ must listen to internet radio !23:22
Take0nArif_, I read that it could play HD videos etc so I assumed (how stupid could I be) that it should actually play them..23:22
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Take0nbut.. it doesnt23:22
Arif_it does23:22
Arif_on the N95 at least23:22
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I'm pondering to completely RE that piece of sh** called mce23:23
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pupnikdid you already swap the blank x pointer mrmg23:23
DocScrutinizerjust too many hardcoded things in there23:23
Take0nKegetys, should be.. I was able to do it with my N95 running win9523:24
Take0nif that's what you mean23:24
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Take0nShadowJK, thanks, at least I know what to look for23:24
pupnikmrmg: take a visible x-pointer and swap it in for /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp   then open browser and go to a site with flash.  x-pointer will appear23:25
Arif_I feel stupid again23:25
Arif_I can't find where I can see how much data I've used23:25
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jo-erlend_du -h?23:26
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pupnikArif_: used in communicating over wireless, or used in internal flash?23:26
Arif_over 3G/wifi23:27
Sunkan85anyone here that have installed showtime?23:27
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pupnik Arif_ go to "settings" app, then click on "phone" then scroll down to network - you should see a data counter button23:28
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ShadowJKArif_, Settings -> Phone -> Data Counter gives you the 3g figures atleast23:28
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Arif_ha, I was looking in settings>internet connections23:29
* Arif_ still used to symbian :)23:29
pupniki would like that data counter to reset every month23:29
Arif_thanks guys :D23:29
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xorAxAxhmm, any idea why my init.d script is not picked up?23:30
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xorAxAxit is symlinked in rc2*23:30
Arif_Received: ~5.3GB23:30
Arif_Sentri: 500MB23:30
Arif_not bad for about two weeks23:30
Arif_and that's only over 3G!23:31
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ShadowJKI have 17gigs since december..23:31
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Arif_I guess we both use a lot of data =}23:31
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Take0nhow to you pronounce "maemo"?23:32
pupnikwow Arif_.  My total since november is 550MB23:32
jo-erlend_Mæmo? :)23:32
Arif_pupnik, do you have a cap?23:32
Take0nso it is Me i mo ?23:32
* ShadowJK says it ma e mo23:32
corecodei'd say23:33
corecode12.5/70.3 MB23:33
pupnikArif_: 500MB/month23:33
Take0nmE i mo or mA e mo?23:33
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corecodethat's okay23:33
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corecodei have a 1GB cap23:33
jo-erlend_Take0n, that. "æ" is pronouced like the a in "that", only longer.23:33
corecodetho sip via 3g doesn't seem to work 100%23:33
Arif_I get slowed down after 2GB of use23:33
corecodeArif_: where are you?23:34
Arif_but that doesn't stop me from streaming videos and radio :D23:34
Take0nand the "e" like e in "they"?23:34
Arif_There's only one provider here (TMobile) with unlimited data usage23:34
jo-erlend_Take0n, no, the a and e, combined, makes "Æ", which itself is pronouced like the "a" in "that", only longer.23:34
Take0noh ok23:35
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jo-erlend_Take0n, that is, in Norwegian :>23:35
Arif_jo-erlend_, like a sheep? :P23:35
jo-erlend_how do you pronounce maelstrom?23:35
Take0nwhich should be almost the same in swedish? :P23:35
microlithlooks like Ovi's billing system shares info with the rest of Nokia's failure of a billing system23:35
jo-erlend_Arif_, pardon?23:35
Arif_the ae symbol23:35
microlithalways fun to get a "card rejected" notice23:35
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jo-erlend_Take0n, they don't have that letter, but the sound is similar, yes.23:35
Take0ngot it23:36
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jo-erlend_the swedes uses ä when we use æ.23:36
Arif_Ovi put the sharing plugins at the top again23:37
Arif_Add some new apps you lazy Fins!23:37
jaskafish have fins23:37
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Arif_Finns then?23:38
juhovhputting applications to ovi store is a pain in the ass23:39
juhovhbecause of the signing requirement23:39
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Arif_Moomo has signing too?23:39
* Arif_ didn't know that...23:40
juhovhhmm, probably didn't :P23:40
microlithnokia's cutting out billing quick, not even a temporary charge on my card23:41
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ShadowJKArif_, DangerMaus: you're observing the results of someone attempting to use ovi store23:44
dassuwhat command do you guys use for the addgroup23:44
Arif_I'd try to use ovi store too23:44
Arif_there's one little problem though23:44
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Arif_dassu, group? :o23:45
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dassuI c23:45
dassuotherway around23:46
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lupine_85so is it reasonably easy to flash one's own kernel?23:47
lupine_85i find myself missing ipv623:47
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ShadowJKthe flashing utility can flash just the kernel23:48
corecodeanybody have an integrated note-taking/sychronization thing for desktop+maemo?23:49
pupnik'counterintelligence' is an unintended joke, isn't it23:49
* Arif_ yawns23:52
lupine_85well, i suspect busybox will need recompiling too23:52
lupine_85had the same issue on my adsl modem!23:52
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lupine_85is it so hard for people to provide ipv6 as a module in the default kernel, and compile support into iuserspace? :(23:53
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SpeedEvilwhy ipv6?23:54
jyskyeh? why not?23:54
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dassuwoot got the sshfs to work23:55
SpeedEvilI'm just wondering why you're missing it.23:55
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lupine_85so one can do mobile ipv623:56
lupine_85which is kind of good for a mobile device23:56
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lupine_85but ip6 in general is relevant /now/23:56
villagerdo the telcos support it?23:56
DaveQBluke-jr yep, flashing my phone fixed that issue. A damn PITA though23:57
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lupine_85villager, the last mile are the only real stopouts23:59
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ShadowJKNokia is a big supported of IPv6 too23:59
SpeedEvilI'm doing something stupid, but I'mnot sure what. From laptop. ssh root@phone - works fine with key. ssh user@phone requires me to login. cp /root/.ssh/* to ~user/.ssh/ - and still broken.23:59

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