IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-02-24

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Arif_....whoever thought of the placement :P00:00
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yigalyes well the speakers in my G1 are on the back of the device00:00
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yigalthat's really thoughtful engineering00:01
dmj7261the touchbook looks nice, though x86 would be better.00:01
Arif_yeah like the N900s are better00:01
Arif_they're barely hearable00:01
yigaldmj7261: Pixel Qi's technology is revolutionary00:02
yigaldmj7261: it will mean extremely long battery life for all sorts of devices00:02
* Arif_ hits the N900's designer with comon sense and a brick00:02
ShadowJKmy N900 has decent amount of volume00:02
ShadowJKoccasionally it randomly uses the music speakers instead00:03
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yigalArif_: you give and then take away, common sense leaves after the brick, brick first please00:03
Arif_they don't use it anyway00:03
dmj7261It would be nice if they could be a little louder for some things, but I find them considerably louder than necessary others00:03
yigalI'm still old school with an n80000:03
Arif_I find the average for music00:03
Arif_but unusable for movies00:04
dmj7261my friend with an itouch is jealous of the n900 speakers00:04
ShadowJKBut the N810 speakers rock00:04
Arif_lol the iTouch is a joke00:04
yigalanyone know the lowest price on an n900 out there for the US right now?00:04
yigal$450 or lower?00:04
Arif_I'm jealous of the 5800 and N95 8GB speakers00:04
dmj7261last I checked was ~$50000:04
dmj7261but that was a while ago00:05
nid0im jealous of my e90's keyboard and looks :(00:05
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Arif_as long as they don't go adding stuff from the N96/N9700:05
yigalcrazy Nokia junkies00:05
dmj7261Pixel Qi's displays do look desirable.00:06
* lcuk wakes up to frankenthread00:07
* Arif_ blinks00:07
lcukduct tape your favorite components together00:07
yigaldmj7261: e-ink w/color but with the capability of full color really an improvement00:07
lcukinto the uber device00:08
Arif_I tried00:08
Arif_but it wasn't working ={00:08
lcukdid you try inverting the tachyon field?00:08
Arif_I'm only good at complaining about ready made objects :D00:08
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nid0pull out the chip, screen, and nand from n900, cram it all into an e90 somehow, done :D00:08
dmj7261yes, but that just emitted polaron radiation.00:09
lcuknid0, rehousing n900 would be a fun project00:09
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Lumpio-You need to reverse the field polarity00:09
Lumpio-By interrupting the plasma relay briefly00:09
nid0trying to get it working with the e90's dual screens would probably be interesting too.00:09
dmj7261let's make it into a laptop like the console folks do!00:09
yigalis there a reason the n900 is a brick relative to it's generational siblings?00:10
dmj7261anyone care to make their n900 bigger?00:10
yigaliphone, droid00:10
Arif_Nokia hates you00:10
yigaldmj7261: me me00:10
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yigaldmj7261: I want a 5" display00:10
dmj7261keyboard, camera...00:10
lcukdmj7261, i did laptop style on my n81000:10
yigaldmj7261: that would be great00:10
yigallcuk: me too00:10
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Arif_they should remove the keyboard00:10
Arif_I never use it!00:11
dmj7261I wouldn't mind a bigger screen, maybe 4.1" but I remember that I want it pocketable.00:11
yigallcuk: still hoping for a tablet device with "Linux" one day, one day00:11
nid0hd2 is still fairly pocketable, but being superthin helps00:11
nid0thats a mammoth screen00:11
dmj7261I use the keyboard, not because it's faster but because I hate covering the screen00:11
dassuI would enjoy having bigger battery :(00:11
yigaldmj7261: or getting it dirty?00:11
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dmj7261that too00:12
Arif_use the pen00:12
lcukyigal, whats wrong with the linux you got on N8x0/900 ?00:12
dmj7261irc chats are horrid using an onscreen keyboard00:12
yigallcuk: nothing, but I have a problem with Android that's all00:12
dmj7261the conversation moves on before you type a response00:12
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yigallcuk: and n900's screen is too small for my productivity00:12
lcuksome people are better than others dmj726100:12
lcukyigal, you got one?00:13
yigallcuk: no I'm using a g100:13
nid0video output > big telly = problem sorted when at home anyway00:13
dmj7261yigal...I think the n900 screen is no smaller than the G100:13
lcuknid0, need to solve problem of cable length for video out00:13
yigallcuk: as a phone at least, and a t91mt as a laptop, it's too large for my taste though, something in the middle one day00:13
lcukyigal, but can your g1 be a video console00:13
Arif_a video console?00:14
yigaldmj7261: no but to use it as a laptop like device that's the consideration00:14
lcukvideo out00:14
dmj7261I see00:14
yigallcuk: right00:14
lcukdirect presentations, games, photos, videos00:14
Arif_video out is win00:14
yigallcuk: no00:14
yigallcuk: right that is good00:14
dmj7261I like my video out00:14
Arif_if you combine it with UPNP00:14
lcuk800*480 means its feasible00:14
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lcukpeoples jaws drop when you run presentations from it00:14
nid0yeah, all we need now is upnp to actually work properly00:14
Arif_Orb does00:15
Arif_so it works ;p00:15
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Arif_and gaming on the N900 is impossible without a BT controller ;(00:15
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nid095% of my media wont stream properly through the n900 since 1.1, get audio fine but video just jams at the first frame00:15
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dmj7261heh, why's that?00:16
lcuknid0, you looked for bugs filed?00:16
lcuki noticed some video got better after updates came out00:16
nid0yeh its filed and listed as fixed, but gotta wait for x till we see the fix :(00:16
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yigalwell I'm waiting a little bit for either a price drop in n900 or another device, I imagine neither is likely in the next 6 months but one never knows00:17
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toggles_wn1000 should be out in 6 months00:18
* Arif_ 'll buy that too probably :P00:19
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dmj7261also fills the role of pet and food00:22
dmj7261for further convergence00:23
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yigalwhat I've learned is that I will never again buy an Android device that isn't fully capable with an install of Ubuntu or the like00:27
yigalI wish I hadn't had to learn this the hard way00:28
Arif_and why is that!00:28
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Arif_everyone knows Android is teh winz ;(00:28
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dassuI personally Dont like the fact that android only supports java00:29
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yigalyes, that's one sucky feature00:30
Arif_I don't like the fact it can't do such a simple task as streaming video00:32
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nid0I do like the fact that one or two popular android phones sport gorilla glass, which might help get it into the mainstream00:33
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Arif_it does whatnow00:34
yigalprotective layer00:34
midasgorilla glass? whats that00:34
nid0glass thats chemically treated00:34
nid0basically scratch, shatter, break, and everything-proof00:35
Arif_break proof00:35
Arif_doubt it00:35
nid0take a look00:35
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Arif_do want00:36
midasgonna watch. on mah n900!00:36
Arif_you should watch it on Android!00:37
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Arif_.....oh wait00:37
midasi could00:37
Arif_o rly00:37
Arif_I hear android only supports mp4 ={00:37
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yigalArif_: exactly, that's another reason why it sucks00:38
dmj7261and h.264 and theora, right?00:38
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yigaldmj7261: for music00:38
yigalbut mp4 video .00:38
yigalunless I'm mistaken, hopefully I am00:38
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yigalwhy does Android suck soo much, I'll be quiet for a while now00:39
dmj7261I'm probably the mistaken one.  I just assumed it must support those00:39
Arif_not what I tried in the store00:39
yigaldmj7261: it does support theora music, I listen to mostly ogg in my music player00:39
dmj7261you mean flac?00:39
yigalg1 that is on the way to school00:39
Arif_who uses that :P00:39
yigalArif_: I know, I know :(00:40
midastoo bad my nokia carkit doesnt support my n90000:40
nid0doesnt support it how?00:40
SpeedEvilthere is a USB-carkit standard00:40
Arif_everyone rips music in mp300:40
Arif_or flac sometimes00:40
dmj7261flac :)00:41
Arif_real audio00:41
* dmj7261 has gigabytes of .wav music00:42
nid0clearly bitmap images with the notes drawn out is the way to go00:42
dmj7261also .sib00:42
lcuknid0, interesting compression technique00:42
lcuki would prefer scans taken from clay cylinders00:42
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ShadowJKRST38h, added atom:
ShadowJKRST38h, per clock it's marginally faster than omap3 at OGR-NG00:45
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* SpeedEvil listens to most music as mp2.00:52
ds3SpeedEvil: where are you getting all the mp2 music?00:52
SpeedEvilDAB radio.00:52
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SpeedEvilI'd actually really like it if there was a way to rip it.00:53
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Arif_oh me too00:53
Arif_but I lisen to satellite radio00:53
SpeedEvilSimply to make a 'all in one' media device.00:53
Arif_which I can stream to the N90000:53
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JaffaSpeedEvil: Ripping DAB is pretty easy (depending on what hardware you have available). Hell, Psion's Wavefinder (RIP) even commercially supported it.00:54
ds3SpeedEvil: what kind of device do you use for DAB?00:55
SpeedEvilJaffa: sure. Now point to one commercial DAB->PC device - other than the aforementioned wavefinder.00:55
crashanddie_properly wired teeth00:55
* Arif_ hands SpeedEvil a satellite tv card00:55
Arif_there you go00:56
Arif_all the mp2 audio you could dream of!00:56
SpeedEvilDAB in the radio sense.00:56
JaffaSpeedEvil: Some of the DVB-T cards might support it?00:56
Arif_then again00:56
SpeedEvilJaffa: nope00:56
SpeedEvilJaffa: totally different standard than dvb-t00:56
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JaffaSpeedEvil: Ho hum. Been a while since I looked TBH00:57
Arif_I know what DAB is =(00:57
ds3SpeedEvil: thought there was USB dongles that did that?00:57
JaffaSpeedEvil: Indeed, thought some had dual-tuners.00:57
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SpeedEvilI looked moderately intensively a year or so ago, and found nothing.00:57
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Arif_don't you have the radio stations you want on some satellite?00:58
SpeedEvilHowever - I want them in a little box that I can carry around.00:58
Arif_the N900?00:58
ds3USB dongle and a working N900 hostmode....00:59
SpeedEvilThe above radio is great - waterproof, can be dropped and kicked, ...00:59
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SpeedEvilthere are no USB DAB dongles.00:59
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SpeedEvilApart from the psion wavefinder.00:59
Arif_I love DVBVIewer's streaming service00:59
Arif_and KMPlayer :P00:59
ShadowJKHow far down have they cut the bitrate on DAB these days?00:59
SpeedEvilWhich uses a substantial fraction of a watt.00:59
SpeedEvilShadowJK: despite my contribution to the OFCOM consultation - it's 'what the market can bear'.00:59
SpeedEvilShadowJK: the broadcasters can put whatever bitrate tehy like out.01:00
* SpeedEvil checks.01:00
Arif_ShadowJK, if they don't transcode it from sat source it's usually between 256-38401:00
SpeedEvilArif_: you're not in the UK are you.01:00
Arif_well, that's what Turkish channels usually broadcast at01:00
ShadowJKI'd assume they get it from the  radio station01:00
Arif_most radio stations use satellite as their terrestrial source01:01
Arif_maybe it's different in the Uk and I'm just talking nonsense01:01
ShadowJKWell in UK "Radio Station" probably means one nation-wide channel, which has the same content throughout the entire nation, broadcasting over AM, FM, Cable, DAB, DVB-T and Internet01:01
SpeedEvilradio 1 - 128k radio 2 - 128k radio 3 192k, radio 4 128k, radio 5 live - 80k mono. radio 7 80k mono01:02
Arif_80k mono?01:02
ShadowJKThe radio 5 live podcast is 64k mp3 iirc01:02
SpeedEvilbbc scotland 128k. bbc worldservice 64k mono, classic FM 160K01:03
SpeedEvil80K mp201:03
SpeedEvilit's not as good as mp3 - it doesn't have the perceptual shizzle.01:03
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ShadowJKIt depends on the encoder01:03
SpeedEvilto a degree.01:04
SpeedEvilHmm. 112K several music stations.01:04
Arif_the Turks have better streams than the Brits!01:05
Arif_never thought I'd see that...01:05
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SpeedEvil28 channels - of which maybe 20 are worse quality than FM01:06
SpeedEvil(with a good signal)01:06
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SpeedEvilOTOH - I get a error-free signal on the inbuilyt 15cm whip01:07
Arif_so why did they go to DAB anyway01:07
SpeedEvilMore channels.01:07
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SpeedEvilAnd the encoding was locked in a couple of years too early perhaps.01:07
Arif_they couldn't fit 28 channels in FM?01:07
SpeedEvilthat is 28 channels nationwide.01:07
SpeedEvilor >that01:07
SpeedEviland no, you can't.01:07
SpeedEvilnot and have them recievable everywhere01:08
SpeedEvilDAB supports single frequency networks.01:08
SpeedEvilWhich means that you can broadcast a multiplex over large regions using multiple transmitters on the same frequency.01:08
SpeedEvilTry doing that on FM, and you get a complete mess.01:08
Arif_if you start at 87.5 and send in steps of 0.3 you get quite a few channels :P01:09
SpeedEvilYes, however - in an isolated spot.01:09
ShadowJKBBC was doing it on AM, multiple transmitters far away, with phase alignment compensated so that the signal would stay together roughly inside the UK01:10
SpeedEvilIf you want to be able to continuously recieve a station over a wide area, you need many frequencies for each single station.01:10
SpeedEvil(on FM)01:10
SpeedEvilOn AM/LW - there is some more latitude.01:10
ShadowJKYeah, at any time I can hear the same channel on maybe 3 - 5 frequencies.. Thank god for RDS, automatically picking the frequency with strongest signal for the channel I want01:10
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Arif_hmm, I didn't know the advantage of that :)01:11
* Arif_ waits for cellphones to add DAB01:11
SpeedEvilGonna be a while.01:12
SpeedEvilDAB uses _LOTS_ more power than FM radio reciever.01:12
ShadowJK"TooLAME utilizes the highly tuned psychoacoustic model developed for LAME, but applied to MP2 audio encoding, instead."01:12
SpeedEvilShadowJK: hmm01:12
ShadowJKSadly we're likely to see DVB-H in cellphones before DAB I think01:12
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SpeedEvilMy DAB radio has 13h battery life.01:12
Arif_DVBH sucks01:13
Arif_no one uses it01:13
SpeedEvilTo do this it has something resembling a laptop battery inside.01:13
SpeedEvilWell - a netbook.01:13
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nid0battery technology desperately needs to take a huge leap forward :<01:13
Arif_I demand 5 week usage from the N90001:14
SpeedEvilI constructed an internal generator for my laptop.01:14
* Arif_ thinks internet streaming will be more widespread than DVBH/DAB now most cars have a sim slot01:14
SpeedEvilIn a secondary battery bay using and a small motor as a gene*rator*01:14
ds3consider moving into a large hamster wheel?01:14
SpeedEvilArif_: the 3g networks really, really can't cope with audio streamed to every car.01:15
Arif_not yet01:15
SpeedEvilArif_: broadcast is spectrally efficient.01:15
SpeedEvilAs you can have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people listening to one broadcast.01:15
Arif_I prefer 3G though, removes the region barrier01:15
Arif_Me as a Turk living in Dutchland prefers Turkish radio stations :p01:16
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SpeedEvilAnd 3G is nowhere near covered enough in most countries to do drop-out-free radio.01:16
Arif_that's true01:16
Arif_that's why they need to develop it01:17
ds3wonder if the vatican has complete country coverage for 3G01:17
Arif_instead of DAB =P01:17
Arif_do they even have 3G?01:17
nid0where's the cell operators' incentive to spend billions and billions on massive (in several orders of magnitude) improvements to 3g coverage and capacity just to replace broadcast?01:18
Arif_so they can remove 2G?01:18
Arif_and I can be entertained :P01:18
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil, do you have a video of your internal laptop generator in actioN?01:21
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SpeedEvilI never actually used it slid into the laptop.01:22
SpeedEvilOwing to the should-have-been-forseeable mist of castor oil.01:23
SpeedEvilAnd no digital camera.01:23
SpeedEvilIt was ~199801:23
ShadowJKneed a cleaner engine01:23
nid0gas microturbine01:23
nid0and earplugs.01:23
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ShadowJKthose RC turbines are wicked :-)01:25
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* ShadowJK can spend hours watching remote controlled helicopter and jet models on youtube :-)01:27
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* SpeedEvil needs to get his UAV built.01:27
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, easier to buy one?01:27
SpeedEvilClimb optimised thrust-vectoring helicopter with a 4Km or so ceiling in a 1Kg package.01:27
fnordianslipSpeedEvil: got a link for that?01:29
lcukSpeedEvil, "climb optimised"   its not exactly going to be submersible is it01:29
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SpeedEvilfnordianslip: no. It's not built yet.01:29
lcuki think every helicopter can be describer as climb optimised01:29
ShadowJKthrust vectoring helicopter? wtf :)01:29
SpeedEvillcuk: nope.01:30
lcukotherwise, they are known by their common name01:30
fnordianslipducted fan?01:30
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ShadowJKlcuk, actually helicopters are less like fans and more like rotating wings01:30
SpeedEvillcuk: It is very inefficient at hover. - compared to a 'normal' design of helicopter.01:30
* lcuk has a helicopter01:30
* Arif_ doesn't01:30
ShadowJKlcuk, at their full load most helicopters would struggle to hover more than a few metres off  ground :-)01:30
SpeedEvillcuk: as the diameter of the rotor is perhaps a third or a quarter of what you'd want for a helicopter.01:30
MrGooselcuk: the cheepo kind?01:30
lcuki want an quadrocopter thingie01:30
SpeedEvillcuk: It's designed to go up at ~15-20MPH01:31
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lcukMrGoose, indoor model but fully controllable whatever its called01:31
fnordianslipi wrote some code that had to control some fans.  one wouldn't turn off when it should. eventually i discovered that it was off, but it was air coupled to to the other one, which was spinning it round. spent ages looking for that bug ;(01:31
lcuka twister bell01:31
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ShadowJK <- When you have too much cargo to climb out of  ground effect vertically, this is what you have to do ;-)01:31
SpeedEvillcuk: Total power is ~800W in a 1Kg object.01:32
* lcuk wants a decent hexapod too01:33
lcukflying things break too easily01:33
lcukespecially indoors01:33
lcukhexapod == crabby awesomeness01:33
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Fucking insane.01:33
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fnordianslipanything would be better than this:
ShadowJKGround effect gives extra lift near ground for him to tilt forward and gain speed, the extra speed gives extra lift and he can climb :)01:34
SpeedEvilShadowJK: yeah - I get how it works.01:34
SpeedEvilShadowJK: it makes sense to do it that way.01:34
SpeedEvilShadowJK: but you know the guy that worked it out got a strange look.01:35
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, lol, I was wondering about that too.01:35
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SpeedEvilI suppose you absolutely want lots of pressure on the nosewheel - as really, really bad things will happen if it skids.01:38
SpeedEvilSo the massive tilt angle probably makes it safer as long as you keep it away from the ground.01:38
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pupnik_ever try landing a light plane in a strong crosswind?01:39
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SpeedEvilNot IRL.01:40
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, eh dunno, in the simulator the more load I have on the front wheel the harder it's to not fall over to either side01:40
SpeedEvilShadowJK: remember IRL you've got steering on the nosewheel01:41
ShadowJKI think i'd want it to caster..01:41
ShadowJKor rather, I think I'd throw out the fattest passenger01:41
SpeedEvilI think I'd want lots of control authority in the face of gusts.01:42
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SpeedEvilAnd the nosewheel may give that01:42
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nid0i think i'd just take a plane.01:44
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ShadowJKbah, fixed-wing aircraft are no fun :D01:46
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thesovhey does anyone know how to prevent gprs0 from disconnecting when switching to wlan?01:46
ds3wingless aircraft is more interesting01:46
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thesovbasically i want the data connection to always be live and i want it to just switch routes when wlan0 is engaged01:49
GeneralAntillesds3, I think they call those rockets.01:50
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ds3GA: I prefer the nonpowered version... say a catapult or a trebuchet ;)01:51
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GeneralAntillesAh, trebuchets01:51
GeneralAntillesBuilt one once01:51
ds3did the sherrif show up?01:51
GeneralAntillesThankfully, no.01:52
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: Seen the Scrapheap Challenge (or "Junkyard Wars") where the farmers from Gloucester built a trebuchet to fling a Mini?01:57
JaffaIt must be on YouTube. Fantastic stuff.01:57
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embeddedhi all01:59
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rzritt is going nowhere ? ;)02:03
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Arif_has anyone tried a Wii classic controller on the N900?02:13
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XisdibikI thought that one was corded02:13
Arif_you poke it into the wiimote02:14
Arif_or a PS3 controller02:14
Arif_I want to control the emulators with real keys :p02:14
Xisdibikas do i02:14
Xisdibiki dont have a wii classic controller02:14
Arif_the wiimote itself doesn't have enough buttons for GBA/SNES02:15
Xisdibikanything beyond a NES/GB02:15
Arif_I read on the forum something about PS3 controller on the N90002:15
Arif_but I'm not sure ;(02:15
ptlsome youtube videos have some information on it02:15
Xisdibikid would be pretty cool02:15
Arif_I just tried mariokart advance02:16
Arif_and the sound is terrible :D02:16
Xisdibikbecause its coming from phone speakers? or because its bad from the emulator :P02:16
Arif_it's bad from the emulator02:17
Arif_it sounds.....distorted02:17
Arif_maybe the FPS is too low02:17
* Arif_ wonders if that's increasable02:17
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pupnik_ibuprofen and two beers are brilliant for this condition :)02:17
pupnik_is that drnoksnes Arif_ ?02:17
zerojayUsing any Wii controllers results in quite a lot of lag between your button presses and when the emulator receives them, by the way.02:18
zerojayArif_: So have fun running off of cliffs in Mario. :)02:18
pupnik_vgba cant do full speed sound02:18
Arif_do you think it'll be possible in the future?02:18
Arif_zerojay, I'll try a PS3 controller sometime then!02:18
* Arif_ installs drnoksnes02:19
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Xisdibikzerojay: wii controllers specifically? or all wifi controllers?02:21
Arif_Wii controller isn't wifi02:22
Xisdibikwifi as in wireless :P02:22
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Xisdibikheya kimitake_idle and javispedro: how are you two today?02:22
javispedroI am trying to take over a garage project, and you?02:22
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Xisdibikgettin over a cold :/  but its finally going away02:24
pupnik_what is so wondrful about a project in garage02:24
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javispedrobugzilla + git02:24
javispedroand free webserver.02:25
javispedrowell, some people would say garage is actually awful bugzilla + slow git, but I'm fine with it ;)02:25
pupnik_hmm  what proj?02:25
Arif_it takes long to update extras devel02:25
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javispedrowas finally torpedoed because of missing bugzilla02:25
pupnik_you should be a project member02:26
javispedroyes, but I've been emailing the owner for months now to no avail.02:26
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javispedroeither way: tracker empty, repo empty, lists empty, etc.02:28
javispedroI would at least put the repo to use, that must account to something :)02:29
sivangso I tried the tracker -r thing02:29
sivangand till no go ad identifying ogg/oga media from the media player02:29
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pupnik_yeah well javispedro garage is still unresponsive here.  reminds me of why it is no fun02:29
javispedropupnik: it's weird -- since I've posted that link I've clicked through 10 links02:30
sobczyk_is there a way to precache openstreetmaps in maeps/maemo mapper/map buddy without using the app/02:30
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* Arif_ would really appreciate a changelog when updating02:30
javispedrothere's now a changelog snippet in the -testing/QA page02:33
javispedroI like it02:33
pupnik_javispedro: i have never seen that dosbox maintainer do anything or even chat02:33
javispedropupnik: I don't mind that, I'm not a perfect maintainer either, and "email accounts get lost" sometimes.02:34
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javispedrobut there has to be a policy for takeover/removal/etc02:34
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pupnik_just tell garage maintainer02:35
lcukso dosbox is just an empty stub account02:35
pupnik_or make a javisbox account02:35
javispedro:) I could even ignore garage and make a gitorius project and request the b.m.o component02:36
lcukjavispedro, that wouldnt be so bad :)02:36
pupnik_yeah.  who is the go-to guy for this.. x-fade?02:36
Xisdibikwhat ever you do javispedro we want some better dosboxsexyness02:36
javispedroGuess so, though I'm pondering wheter to send it to -devel (to fix it this time) or -community (to discuss a new policy)02:37
pupnik_avoid work02:37
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javispedrohey, that's my hobby! :D02:37
pupnik_and my life02:38
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Arif_oh wow02:39
Arif_who came up with the default drnoksnes key layout :D02:39
Xisdibikthat pedro guy did02:39
Arif_that's some funky key mapping you thought of02:40
javispedrobut that's why you got remappable layouts even before I putted in a default layout.02:40
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Arif_I'm trying to figure out what the logic is02:40
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Arif_a dpad02:41
Arif_that'd be great...02:41
javispedrothe issue with dosbox is that it's just hard.02:43
javispedrothere's a reason there's that long faq on their site, and the maemo version is no different.02:44
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javispedroif only ukki would come back with his frontend... ;)02:45
Xisdibikjavispedro: is all your n900 work done with a N810, or do u have a n900 also? ;)02:45
javispedromy n900 is broken atm.02:45
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Xisdibikwhat did u do!02:45
Arif_drnoksnes works great02:46
corecodewhat's the opinion on maemo-sdk+?02:46
Arif_at least with mario all stars+world02:46
javispedroshould reach a sane 40fps or the like02:46
Arif_the sound works fine at least02:47
javispedroit's not perfect either.02:47
Arif_VGBA was too bad to listen to :p02:47
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javispedrosince it's not the bottleneck i'm considering putting back all the missing stuff to get a bit higher quality.02:47
sobczyk_is there picasa support in maemo like flickr?02:47
* Arif_ goes to get more SNES roms02:48
antiiArif_: got any funones? :P02:48
antiiSNES roms :p02:48
Arif_I found an RS link with a few if you want02:48
antiiwhats the name of the app? :P02:48
javispedrothis is NOT the channel to do that02:49
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Xisdibikhey javispedro is your snes emulator optified just curious02:56
javispedroit is.02:56
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javispedroah, zeemote stuff in diablo repos is broken :(03:00
javispedroI finally commited the zeemote patch into drnoksnes MAIN branch, but I'm still not sure about forcefully depending on zeemote stuff.03:00
javispedroand also wheter just doing it in another process, wiimote style, would be better.03:01
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Xisdibikjavispedro: dunno :/03:06
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dracflamlochow can i get my n900s wlan IP? ifconfig isnt there03:07
XisdibikI believe there is an app, not sure which repo its in03:08
sar3thdracflamloc: /sbin/ifconfig03:08
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dracflamlocoh nice03:09
sar3that last, suse thought me something ;)03:10
dracflamlocmaybe you guys can helkp03:10
dracflamlocim running a ftp server on my desktop03:10
dracflamloccan connect fine via wlan from my laptop03:11
ShadowJKftp is pretty hard to get through firewalls03:11
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dracflamlocbut i try the same thing with my n900 via wlan, and no luck03:11
dracflamloc'no route to host'03:11
sar3thdracflamloc: can you ping the machine?03:11
dracflamlocno firewall, all internal network03:11
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dracflamlocnot from the n900, no03:12
lcuknow you can check ifconfig03:12
sar3ththen something is wrong with your configuration...i had a problem which was a bit similar to that03:12
lcukdoes that report correct values for your network03:12
dracflamlocyes, ifconfig is reporting correct values03:13
dracflamloci can get out to the internet just fine03:13
dracflamlocjust not internal IPs03:13
lcukwhats laptop ip, and whats n900 ip03:14
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lcukand can you ping n900 from laptop03:14
lcukand vice versa03:14
tremnite all, sweet dreams03:14
Xisdibiknight trem03:14
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dracflamloclaptop ip is
dracflamlocand no i cannot ping the n900 from the desktp03:15
dracflamlocbut the laptop and desktop can ping each other03:15
sar3thmaybe something is wrong with the routes on your n900, as it was with mine03:15
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lcukcan you change them?03:15
* lcuk only uses gui03:15
dracflamlochow did you fix it03:15
sar3thi had a bad /etc/resolv.conf03:16
* Xisdibik gives lcuk a warm gui brownie03:16
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sar3thi added nameserver (my router) to that03:16
sar3thafter that, everything was fine03:16
dracflamlocoh yea03:16
Xisdibikthats the default03:17
sar3thi left that one in03:17
lcukbut were you pinging ips03:17
* lcuk beds too03:17
dracflamlocyes i was pinging Ips03:18
lcukgnite guys, good luck sorting it drac03:18
sar3thhm then the nameserver shouldn't be the problem actually03:19
dracflamlocall it had was the 127 entry03:19
sar3thit must be your router/access point dracflamloc03:19
sar3thi can ping my n900 just fine03:19
sar3thmaybe you're mixing lan and wlan clients?03:20
sar3thor communication between endpoints is disabled?03:20
dracflamlocbetween just these two things on my network?03:20
sar3thwell, how are your clients connected?03:21
Xisdibikdrac did you try adding it
Xisdibiklike sar3th did03:21
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dracflamlocabout to03:22
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dracflamlocdidnt help03:23
dracflamlocim not surprised since the nameserver really shouldnt affect direct ip connect03:23
sar3thi tried to ping some internet adress03:23
sar3ththat was different03:23
sar3thwell, how are your clients connected?03:24
dracflamlocyea i can ping google.com03:24
dracflamlocmy desktop is wired03:24
dracflamlocn900 wireless03:24
dracflamloclaptop is wireless03:24
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dracflamlocthis makes no sense03:25
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dracflamlocpinging the n900 right from my router works03:26
dracflamlocbut not from my desktp03:26
dracflamlocand my n900 can ping the router03:27
cehtehdracflamloc: i had exactly the same problem some time ago to03:27
dracflamlocany idea how to fix?03:28
cehtehit was a wireless setting on my crappy dlink AP "[x] client security"03:28
cehtehthat prevents that any connected client sees each other03:28
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dracflamlocbut see my laptop and desktop can see each otehr03:28
cehtehboth are wireless?03:28
dracflamlocdesktop wired, laptop wireless, n900 wireless03:29
cehtehexactly like me03:29
cehtehthe wireless device dont see each other with that setting03:29
cehtehprolly you have some other device but maybe there is some similar setting03:29
SWFu64wireless isolation03:29
SWFu64it's called03:29
cehtehdepends on vendor03:29
dracflamlocthe desktop cant see the n900, but can see the laptop. you think thats the issue?03:30
cehteheh no03:30
cehtehwell powersaving may be? (me just peeking in here)03:30
cehtehplay some webradio or ping something from the n900 to put the wireless into active state03:31
cehtehthats another problem there .. if powersaving is enabled the n900 doesnt see incoming traffic03:31
dracflamlocthe n900 cant ping the desktop either. its like the n900 has no knowledge of the internal network except for the router itself03:31
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cehtehthen some wrong config?03:32
Sceltdracflamloc: wired ones can't see wireless ones and vice versa. it's the wireless isolation. check out your router configuration03:32
sar3thdracflamloc: check your access point config03:32
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dracflamlocim looking right now03:32
dracflamlocnot seeing anything like that03:32
cehtehconfigured by dhcp?03:32
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dracflamloctried both03:32
dracflamlocmy router calls it03:33
dracflamlocprivacy separator03:33
dracflamlocits already disabled03:33
cehtehcheck netmasks and networks03:33
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cehtehits a router or a bridge?03:33
cehtehwell the ports on its back and the wlan interface are prolly bridged / switched03:34
cehtehthis soho 'routers' are rather switches which only one routed port, thats the dsl or whatever internet connection you have03:35
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cehtehrouting only works across networks not within the same networks (unless you setup host routes)03:36
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dracflamlocwell, the ifconfig -a shows exactly the same thing on laptop, desktop, and n900 (except last ip digit of course)03:37
dracflamlocthis is really weird03:37
dracflamlocim no fool when it comes to networking... i really dont get why i cant do this03:37
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cehtehwell something is wrong configured03:38
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cehtehthere are many things which can make this fail03:38
dracflamlocwhy would it only affect the n900 then03:39
dracflamloci guess something is configged wrong on the n90003:39
dracflamlocbut i dont have a clue what03:39
cehtehdunno how/what you tested yet03:39
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cehtehdisable powersaving while testing03:39
cehtehthats incompatible with some routers03:39
dracflamloci can ping my wired desktop, from my wireless laptop, and vice versa03:39
dracflamlocbut cant get to my n900, or out from my n90003:40
cehtehso, its not connected to your net03:40
cehtehhint: did you set MAC filters on your wlan?03:40
dracflamlocthen how is it able to ping the router?03:40
dracflamlocno, no filters03:40
cehtehok whats the routers IP, whats the desktops ip whats the laptops ip ... with netmask each03:41
dracflamlocnetmask for all is
cehtehif it gets too the router this means the router doesnt forward the packet .. so its likely a misconfiguration on the router03:42
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cehtehsome filter rule? or firewall on the desktop or laptop? can the laptop ping each other?03:43
dracflamlocthis is pretty much the most insecure network setup you can have, minus WEP03:44
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dracflamlocno firewalls, filters, etc03:44
cehtehstill something wrong :P03:44
dracflamlocobviously =P03:45
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* cehteh goes on .. i am reconfiguring my network for vpn too, putting the wlan into its own segment and have some problem too .. grr :P03:45
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ds3network for vpn? does that also require a new kernel like the iptables stuff?03:45
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cehtehbut my router has 3 network cards and one pretends its dead03:46
cehteh(router here means full pc)03:47
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cehteh.. cleaning the port with a cotton swab worked :P03:51
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cehtehok .. reconfiguring wlan .. brb (i hope)03:54
cehtehmhm .. no not yet .. vpn test :P03:54
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dracflamlocmy n900 can ping my other desktop, which is on wireless04:00
dracflamlocso wtf is up with my n900 not pinging my wired desktop04:01
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acidjazzyou have a trial version of ping04:02
acidjazzthat limits to certain machinse04:02
dracflamloci knew it04:02
sar3thdracflamloc: rather WTF is up with your wired desktop failing to communicate with the n900 >_>04:02
sar3thdracflamloc: what?04:02
dracflamlocoh i was responding to acid04:03
dracflamlocyea so what IS with my desktop04:03
dracflamlocits running ubuntu 9.1004:03
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sar3thLOL acidjazz04:07
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dracflamlocyea wtf04:09
dracflamlocthis is pissing me off04:10
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cehtehthe error is likely on your side04:10
dracflamlocim sure04:10
dracflamlocstill doesnt make sense04:10
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Texratis jaffa here?04:17
Xisdibikim going to venture a guess that hes around but not actively paying attention to this channel at least ;)04:20
dracflamlochow would i get the ovi maps map loader to workin linux04:20
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Xisdibikdracflamloc: i only see it saying it works for windows / mac osx04:22
dracflamlocwell thats poop04:23
dracflamloca linux device with software that doesnt support linux04:23
Xisdibikwell it comes preinstalled :P04:23
dracflamlocnot all the map data04:23
dracflamlocif i were to use this as a gps, it'd have to be connected the whole time to download the maps04:24
Xisdibikdo you not have access to a windows machine/04:24
dracflamlocnot at home. i could download it at work i suppose04:24
dracflamloci wonder if it works with wine04:24
Xisdibikwine is a possibility, dunno04:25
Xisdibikand as for not at home,  is it because u dont have a windows CD, or u dont have it installed anywhere04:26
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dracflamloci do not own a windows license04:26
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dracflamlocbesides that04:26
dracflamlocits just dumb in my opinion to make a linux device but not support the desktop equivalent os04:26
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Xisdibikmy guess is if it doesnt, it doesnt for a reason, i just dont know the answer04:29
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sar3thdracflamloc: which map software do you mean?04:31
sar3thcan you linky pls?04:31
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dracflamloci found a non-os dependant install method here:
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dracflamloci still just dont get the whole desktop issue im having04:32
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maher_anyone familiar with the python alarm bindings? how do i actually enumerate currently existing alarms?04:37
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Xisdibikdont ask why its on europe lol04:40
sar3ththanks Xisdibik04:41
sar3thlooks good :D04:41
Xisdibikminus being on europe :P04:41
sar3thnow the only thing i miss is a voice navigator in there04:41
Xisdibikvoice navigator would be nice04:42
Xisdibikthough i dont think id use it a huge huge amount04:42
sar3thi like the offline maps now :D04:42
maher_what do you do if you don't have windows or mac?04:42
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Xisdibikmaher_: get a windows or mac? ;)04:43
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b-man17use linux04:43
Xisdibikif you got a n900, you can probably afford another computer as well :P04:43
maher_i mean can i use the map loader thingy from linux?04:43
b-man17hey penguinb8 :)04:43
sar3thmaher_: no04:44
maher_Xisdibik: i have many computers, they all run linux04:44
sar3thbut read dracflamloc's last link04:44
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Xisdibiksar3th: he joined after04:44
Xisdibik[18:32] <dracflamloc> i found a non-os dependant install method here:
sar3thi really love the fact that the maps are free04:45
b-man17penguinb8: how is the trial N900? :)04:45
maher_Xisdibik: cool - thanks04:45
Xisdibiksar3th: not a big issue for me, considering if i ever wanted a map, i could get one from AAA for free cuz my moms a member04:45
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sar3thcool Xisdibik04:46
sar3ththat doesn't apply to me04:46
sar3thand now that i don't need to stream the maps from the internet anymore, i'll use the maps app more often :D04:47
maher_will the ovi maps 3.0 maps work with the maps 1.0 on the n900?04:47
sar3thjust for the sake of it being free04:47
sar3thmaher_: i think so04:47
maher_doh - sorry i just saw the link to the older maps - it was small type04:47
sar3thdoes the n900 really use maps 1.0??04:48
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maher_sar3th: ahem - 1.0104:50
sar3thgiven the fact that the loading screen displays a link to, i doubt that04:52
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maher_sar3th: ok - if i can get a newer maps for my n900 just let me know how04:53
sar3thmaher_: i don't think the maps app is out-of-date, but that it uses a newer maps file format04:54
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maher_does anyone know which maps version the n900 maps wants? I'm downloading a 1.0 map atm so will find out at some point04:55
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cehtehok vpn works05:06
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ShadowJKThe maps version numbers aren't comparable05:15
ShadowJKOvi Maps on S60, Ovi Maps on Web, and Ovi Maps on Maemo are 3 different pieces of software with the same name05:15
ShadowJKMaemo's Ovi Maps isn't "old". It's rewrite from scratch, and the first version was called 1.005:16
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sar3thovi maps 3 format seems to work with maemo maps 105:16
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maher_i want teh big number version!!!!!!!05:16
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ShadowJKRewrite is probaly easier than to port stuff from Symbian.05:17
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sar3thnow, the only problem is, you cannot search places in offline mode D=05:17
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Dantonichi anyone know if I can use wake on lan from my N900?05:20
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svanheulenanyone here use qt/pyside, can help me with a quick question? #pyside is dead right now :/05:27
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Texrat_hey Andy8005:35
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Andy80hey :)05:35
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Andy80anyone of you knows if it's possible to create desktop widgets with qt?05:36
Texrat_using the UI tools, I believe so05:37
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svanheulenAndy80: do you use pyside by chance?05:41
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Andy80no I didn't mean if it's possible to design them... I asked if home widgets are supported by qt... for example: home calendar, ecc...05:41
Andy80yes I use pyside05:41
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svanheulenAndy80: awesome, can you tell me how to specify a parent when creating a widget? sorry, i tried #pyside channel but it's dead :/05:42
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Andy80oh I use them but I'm not expert at all :(05:43
svanheulenoh ok05:43
Andy80anyway... if I remember well...05:43
Andy80when you add widget B to widget A, A become the parent of B05:44
Andy80or try to ask in #qt too and be generic with your question :)05:44
svanheulenyeah but i mean like for a group box the syntax is PySide.QtGui.QGroupBox(title[, parent=0]) but i can't get anything i try pass for parent to work :(05:45
Andy80I mean... no need to specify you're susing python05:45
svanheulenheh, but i know how to do it in c++ just fine05:45
Andy80uhm... maybe a bug of pyside?05:45
svanheulencould be05:46
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Ken-YoungI have a program I am working on in the Fremantle x86 scratchbox.   The program seg faults, and core dumps.   Unfortunately, when I try use the core file with gdb to locate the problem, gdb *itself* core dumps before I can even get a traceback.   Any ideas on how I can keep gdb from core-dumping?06:06
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openstandardscan't wait for neopwn to be released for the n90007:22
openstandardsits going to be amazing to say the least07:22
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kumar-klescethi.. i'm new in maemo development feild... anybody can help me in packaging of source code07:27
luke-jrkumar-klescet: Maemo is obsolete. See MeeGo.07:30
luke-jrMaemo and MeeGo use incompatible packages07:30
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RST38h"Phone randomly launches"07:55
DocScrutinizerCape Canaveral?07:56
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DocScrutinizerif OP ealized the "launch phone by turning" works only on desktop and taskswitcher, he probably would find a pattern08:22
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trupheenixi'm getting some weird operation failed when i try to click photos on my N90009:18
trupheenixanyone know what could be the problem?09:19
adeusdo you have a memory card in the phone09:21
pupnikyeah photo app is broken09:21
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trupheenixadeus nope09:22
trupheenixadeus, just put in a memory card and it worked09:22
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trupheenixadeus, doesn't let me use internal storage09:22
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adeusmine had the other way round :)09:23
adeusafter a memory card, I could only take one shot09:23
adeusafter that "operation failed"09:23
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pupniki can still take pics, they just dont all appear09:25
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trupheenixany good irc clilent for the N900?09:26
MiXu-irssi should work09:27
MiXu-But I use ssh + a remote irssi09:27
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DantonicN900how do i create an icon in the app menu?09:28
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DantonicN900where are they located?09:29
pupnik/use/share blergh09:30
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DantonicN900ty pupnik09:32
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mavhkdamn, n810 in infinite restart mode10:07
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mavhkcan one enable RD mode via the windows flash software?10:12
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KhertanHello all !10:13
danielwilms_morning Khertan10:14
Stskeepsmavhk: you can probably enable rd mode and set rd flags to no-lifeguard-reset, i think10:14
Khertanhello danielwilms_10:15
Khertanhum ... just a question about pyopengl ... did you know why it s not available on maemo5 ?10:15
Khertanas when i take a look to pyside opengl example it s required10:16
StskeepsKhertan: cos it's opengles not opengl?10:16
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fralsneed 2 more votes on, pretty please? ;)10:16
danielwilms_mavhk: are you using the flasher from here: ??10:16
KhertanStskeeps: what s the differences ?10:17
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StskeepsKhertan: two different APIs, i think10:18
StskeepsGL doesn't run on GLES10:18
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danielwilms_morning Stskeeps btw :)10:19
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Stskeepsmorn danielwilms_ :)10:20
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Xisdibikevenin Stskeeps10:22
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SargunIs there an easy way to tell where my N900 is in space as compared it was 10 minutes ago?10:25
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Stskeepsmake something up with python and the liblocation wrapper?10:26
SargunStskeeps, I mean from acceleration data10:26
XisdibikSargun: is your n900 the first one in orbit? :P10:26
Sargunis there something that would tell me which way is up?10:26
StskeepsSargun: only with a bunch of drift10:26
Sargundrift is ok, as long as the general direction is correct10:27
XisdibikSargun: away from gravity.   in space up is relative10:27
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Xisdibikyour name also sux to write lol,  i have to type Sarg, to tab complete it without cycling through more than 3 names lol10:28
Sargunwhat's that kind of sensor that tells you where gravity is?10:28
XisdibikSargun: the drop your n900 and see where it goes ? ;)10:29
SargunXisdibik, heh.10:29
Xisdibikif the n900 goes into you.. you might wanna consider a diet. if it goes to the floor, things are normal10:30
Sargunalternatively, I guess as long as the relative orientation of the n900 stays the same, it'll work10:30
XisdibikSargun: whats the purpose for wanting said information, just curious10:30
SargunXisdibik, I want to make a 3d graffiti app10:31
jacekowskinie tu10:31
jacekowskigood morning10:31
Xisdibiknie tu?10:32
Stskeepsmy comments on #3827 are embarassing to read again10:32
jacekowskii've pasted something accidentaly10:32
Xisdibikjacekowski: ah10:32
Xisdibiki thought u were speakings the foreign languages10:32
jacekowskiwell, that was in language different than english10:33
XisdibikSargun: a 3d graffiti app... to do what?10:33
jacekowskihowever i don't suppose foreign would be good term10:33
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Xisdibikforeign to me ;)10:33
Xisdibikwhat language?10:33
SargunXisdibik, make 3d graffiti on a screen10:33
XisdibikSargun: by moving your n900 around in space?10:34
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SargunXisdibik, yeah10:34
johnxmornin' all10:34
XisdibikSargun: seems like one would just doodle with the stylus10:34
Xisdibikmorning johnx10:34
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Sargundoodle with the stylus?10:35
Sargunactually 2d graffiti could be damn neat as well10:35
SargunXisdibik, but can you do it by moving, or tilting your n900?10:35
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Xisdibikso you want to make 3D graffiti using the n900, that seems a little more understandable then :p10:36
Xisdibikstill seems a little hard to do, and given screen size space, would be a small graffiti10:37
KhertanHum which lib exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow)10:37
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Sargunwhat are the units of acceleration?10:38
Sargun1000 units per something, per something?10:38
Sargun1000 = -9.8?10:39
Sargunadeus, no.10:39
Sargungravity is 9.8 I thought10:39
XisdibikThe metre (or meter) per second squared is the SI derived unit of acceleration.10:39
SargunXisdibik, but they aren't using SI units10:39
adeusah context10:39
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SargunValues are in mG (milli G). 1000 = 1 G10:40
Sargunso (N/1000)*9.8 to get the value in meters per second per second10:40
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XisdibikSargun: who are "they"?10:40
adeuswhoever made that api10:40
SargunXisdibik, the accelerometers10:40
Sargunadeus, should be shot?10:41
adeuswell as we are on earth an index to G is somewhat logical10:42
adeusand it's cool to talk about Gs10:43
adeusmakes you feel like a fighter pilot10:43
Xisdibikor astronaut10:43
Sargunapparently gravity here is closer to -10.054810:43
Xisdibikgravity isnt constant on the earths survace btw10:44
adeuswell obviously it isn't10:44
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Xisdibikwell he seemed surprised10:44
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adeuswe aren't on a physics planet that is a perfect sphere :)10:44
SargunXisdibik, -0.2 m/s^2 is a bit much though10:45
SargunSo, I just tell the user to start it in the back touching the ground10:45
Sargunand then use the atan2 function to "guess" where the user is now?10:45
Xisdibikdont ask me, im not even close to a programmer :)10:45
bilboed-tpcould someone kick Mirc out of the channel ?10:45
SargunWhat's a good function to remove noise... hmm10:46
SargunThat's above me10:46
Xisdibikalright everyone said goodmorning, but im going to sleep, goodnight ;)10:47
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bilboed-tpMirc is spamming all newcomers to this channel10:48
Myrttibilboed-tp: he's been reported to the network staff too10:48
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Sargunbah, I have a nasty drift.10:49
Sargunwhen my n900 is at rest, it says that the acceleration in the x-direction is -0.352810:49
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pupnikhow does the N900 survive nasty falls onto stone?10:50
pupnikad the accelerometer still works too10:51
threshmine once fallen to a bike pedal from 1.5 meters10:51
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threshnice mark on a screen now10:51
pupniki think the cupped design helps divert energy10:52
pupnikand the back cover can absorb energy and fly off10:52
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pupnikbut how does an accelerometer survive such shocks?10:53
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Sargunthe magic of MEMs10:53
RST38hmoo all10:53
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pupnikmoo RST38h10:53
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Dantonichi sorry not sure if anyone read this before I got disconnected, I'm gonna repost:11:01
Dantonichow do I create an icon in usr/share/applications/hildon so that when launched it brings up the terminal and executes a command in it?11:01
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villemvDantonic: does doing "Terminal=true" in desktop file help?11:11
villemvor DantonicN900, or whomever11:12
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pupniklets do an irssi camera plugin thing for instant sharing of current environment11:18
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vallhalla81Good morning all11:18
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SargunSo, I think I need to apply signal smoothing to it first, and then I can do it11:34
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tigertwhats up with this account-plugin-haze vs telepathy-extras?11:40
tigertthey seem to be the same thing?11:40
tigertsame maintainer etc11:40
tigertwhich one is the real one?11:40
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jjardonHello, where is the code of GTK+ libraries used in maemo?11:42
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hrwjjardon: repository.maemo.org11:43
Stskeepsjjardon: has them11:43
jjardonthank you all11:43
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MaceG1Been a while11:51
johnxhallo MaceG1 :D11:52
MaceG1Hey johnx11:52
johnxI've been on sabbatical as well :)11:52
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pupnik   female voice moans your IP address11:55
DantonicN900villemv I thought it might but it did not11:58
DantonicN900hi johnx11:59
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crashanddiepupnik: : "Hi OSX, you're real slick and sexy, tiger"12:00
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crashanddieClose, it's Snow Leopard12:00
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johnxhey DantonicN90012:01
KhertanHum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?12:03
Khertani was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available12:04
Khertani was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl12:04
Khertanany idea ?12:04
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DantonicN900johnx do u know if there is a way to make an app icon created in /usr/share/applications/hildon launch the terminal executing a command?  as opposed to just running the command?12:07
johnxI thought I heard someone do that12:07
villemvDantonicN900: ok, too bad. "easy debian" does that at least12:07
johnxtry searching for "top terminal"12:07
Lumpio-I can't remember if there's a parameter to launch a terminal for it, but you can always make it point to the terminal app and give it the command as a param12:07
villemvopen a terminal, I mean, not necessarily by special desktop file12:08
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DantonicN900basically I was just looking for a way to create a shortcut to a command on the desktop12:09
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DantonicN900but if its an ssh command for example I would need the terminal open to enter a pass12:09
villemvhtop uses dekstop file12:10
pupnikDantonicN900: see the irssi package for an example12:10
johnxright. that's what I was thinking. :)12:10
johnxthanks villemv12:10
DantonicN900ah good point12:10
DantonicN900i tried terminal = true but it doesnt work12:11
villemvwith uppercase T?12:11
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spaiderihow do you convert QString * to const QString ?12:12
mgedminwith &?12:14
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villemvspaideri: no need to convert, just assign12:15
villemvin that direction12:15
villemvother direction => cont_cast12:15
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villemvah, missed the *12:16
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villemvtechnically you con't "convert", but just do QString foo = *bar;12:17
villemvwhy do you have a QString* anyway?12:17
villemvusually you have QString or QString&12:18
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spaideriwell some else made the class and all i can get is QString * and I must use const QString12:18
villemvok, have someone else fix the code and in mean time use * ;-)12:18
DantonicN900ya lowercase or upper case still won't work12:19
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spaideriQListWidgetItem accepts only const QString as text so I'm a bit stuck here :)12:20
villemvspaideri: pass it *crappy_pointer12:20
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DantonicN900ah maybe i got it12:21
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villemvDantonicN900: what was it?12:24
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Shapeshifterso I still dont get what apt is doing exactly. yestrerday I installes python2.5-qt4 which pulled in a couple of dependencies to take up 40mb of space. Today I did apt_get remove python2.5-qt4; apt-get autoremov and this removed abou 8mb of stuff. And on rootfs I still miss abot 20mb of space I still had yesterday. It also decided to remove vpnc, which I had installed by hand.12:36
Shapeshifteralso, I suck at typing on this thing.12:37
Shapeshifterbut still, apt does weird stuff.12:37
tybolltShapeshifter: apt-get -f install12:38
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Shapeshiftertybollt: ?12:38
johnx'night all12:38
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tybolltShapeshifter: apt-get autoclean12:38
ShapeshifterI also did that already12:39
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mgedminShapeshifter, sync12:43
mgedminubifs garbage collection is delayed12:43
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mgedminspace is not freed as soon as you rm files12:43
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tybolltShapeshifter: you did do apt-get -f install yeah?12:46
lupuShapeshifter: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb12:47
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timeless_mbpnice, i was just told the account for a contact i tried to called had been deleted12:52
jacekowskinot here again12:53
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corecodeso does the n900 have a compass or not?12:56
corecodeseem to get conflicting information on the web12:56
tybolltno it does not12:56
fluxit does not12:56
tybolltit does have a gyro but no compass12:57
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jacekowskicorecode: no12:57
jacekowskii've heard it has accelerometer12:58
fluxyou mean it has acceleration sensors? because acceleration sensors are not grysoscope s12:58
corecodedid anybody manage to down/upload offline ovi maps using linux?12:58
tybolltfair enough :)12:58
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SpeedEvilthere is an accel, no gyro or compass.13:01
tybolltaccel not gyro13:02
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pta0007hi, i got the application running corretly on the emulator, how could I build it on my device? any links for instruction?13:12
mecepta0007, you have the SDK there?13:12
pta0007i test my app on ubuntu, with maemo5 sdk]13:13
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tank-manyou want to run it on the device or build it again on the device?13:15
tank-manif you want to run it, just copy it to your device13:15
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lcukmornin tekojo \o13:16
pta0007copy the executable file into the device?13:16
pta0007ok, i'll take a try13:16
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mgedminpta0007, note that it'll only work if you built it in the emulator's "armel" target13:17
cityLights2is there a file like .bashrc in busybox?13:17
mgedminwon't work if you've got an x86 app13:17
cityLights2so I can define alias13:17
mgedmincityLights2, ~/.profile13:17
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mgedmincityLights2, also, if you export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc in your ~/.profile, you can have an ~/.ashrc that is read by every /bin/sh, not just the login shell13:18
pta0007yes, that's the problem. cause I build the app with the instruction from
pta0007no idea about whether i buid it with armel or x8613:18
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Shapeshiftertybollt: yes.13:19
Shapeshifterlupu: I'll try that, thanks.13:19
mgedminpta0007, when you have the shell in your scratchbox, look at the prompt13:19
mgedmin[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] means x8613:19
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mgedmin[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] means ARM13:19
mgedminthe N900 uses ARM binaries and X86 won't work13:19
pta0007that's right, i build with x8613:19
mgedminthe SDK doesn't really support ARM completely enough for debugging/running GUI apps/etc13:19
mgedminso you neet to sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch targets13:20
mgedminthen re-build13:20
pta0007mgedmin:ok, i'll try that13:20
cityLights2mgedmin: thnaks13:21
tekojoMorning lcuk!13:23
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pta0007mgedmin:when i tried to select FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, it showed: Error: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" what's this meaning? cause I only opened one terminal13:24
gouverneurhas anyone a almighty POWER_OFF lirc script?13:25
mgedminpta0007, good question, I don't know13:26
mgedmintry closing that terminal13:26
mgedminyou can run sb-conf outside scratchbox too13:26
pta0007mgedmin:the same error inform showed13:27
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gouverneurcityLights2: you might want to use bash for terminal instead13:27
pta0007shall i kill alll the processes in scratchbox first?13:28
mgedminpta0007, I suppose -- but what could be running?13:28
mgedmindo you have the GUI up perhaps in Xephyr?13:28
mgedminah, right, that must be it13:28
* mgedmin never bothers with Xephyr, too much hassle13:28
mgedminthen actually I never develop maemo apps ...13:28
pta0007mgedmin: I have already closed the Xephyr13:29
gouverneurcityLights2: well you setup your sourcing in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc create your personal $HOME/.bashrc and type bash in a terminal to test your config13:29
pta0007mgedmin: anyway, I should try that killallprocesses13:29
gouverneurcityLights2: then you may chsh13:29
Corsachmhm, is pr1.2 on its way?13:30
mgedminpta0007, I'm not sure closing Xephyr is enough to kill all the processes started by start13:30
cityLights2min pls13:30
mgedminso kill them all manually13:30
mgedminor stop, I suppose13:30
gouverneurcityLights2: as you seem to be n00b the command to make you bash as default is "chsh -s /bin/bash user"13:30
mgedmingouverneur, I was always afraid of using chsh as I wasn't sure if it might break my n90013:31
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mgedminare you actually using bash on a n900 as the default shell?13:31
SpeedEvilusing bash as the default shell is a bad idea13:32
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pta0007mgedmin:haha, it works after I kill all processes, though I dont know what's running actually13:32
gouverneurSpeedEvil: Y13:32
SpeedEvilash is very lightweight - the unique memory it uses per launch for scripts is small.13:32
SpeedEvilThis is not the case with bash.13:32
gouverneurSpeedEvil: with that you dont change the /bin/sh linking13:32
SpeedEviloh - using it as your user shell is different13:33
SpeedEvilget that13:33
gouverneurSpeedEvil: /bin/sh will remain ash (which is as I learned some days ago not ash but a modified dash)13:33
SpeedEvilit shows memory per process13:33
gouverneurSpeedEvil: I dont care about memory as all executions are done with /bin/sh... its purely the user env13:34
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gouverneurmgedmin: do it as root via ssh for user and try...13:35
SpeedEvilyes - just pointing it out as it's a useful diagnostc tool.13:36
SpeedEvilrss is very, very misleading.13:36
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gouverneurwell you do not ask free for free mem do you?13:39
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SpeedEvilI mean there are no standard tools that give you a good idea of how much RAM a process uses13:42
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gouverneurmgedmin: cityLights2 do you still need help?13:44
pta0007a naive question: why cant I open the phone disk while I connect it with the pc with mass mode?13:45
gouverneurpta0007: its not a naive its a level8 one...13:46
cityLights2gouverneur: no guys thnks foir now13:46
cityLights2mgedmin: no guys thnks foir now13:46
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GeneralAntillespta0007, because you can't mount UBIFS in two locations at the same time?13:46
gouverneurpta0007: you cannot open with filebrowser as both the SD and your mmc3 are mounted elsewhere13:47
GeneralAntillespta0007, if you mount the rootfs on your computer, how is the device going to continue running? :)13:47
fluxpta0007, devices which provide low-level block access cannot be used by two clients at the same time, because both clients assume that the data doesn't change unless they modify it13:47
mgedminGeneralAntilles, s/UBIFS/VFAT/13:48
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, depending on how he's defining "phone disk"13:48
mgedminand it's not two locations that's the problem, it's two different OSes having direct access to the raw block device13:48
mgedminthat's the problem13:48
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mgedmintruth value of statements13:49
* Stskeeps glances at danish government program13:49
Stskeeps"denmark the richest country in the world in 2020"13:49
Stskeepsthey so did not write that13:49
gouverneurmgedmin: there are just a few FSs which support to have it mounted to two computers at the same time... and you are not even close to using them in a user env13:49
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gouverneurpta0007: an idea for you, setup USB networking and use fuse13:51
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fluxjust compile smbd for n900.. :-)13:52
fluxnever mind, it's already done :-o13:52
gouverneurflux: thats what you defn. do not need13:53
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fluxgouverneur, well, if you have a window machine (which I don't), wouldn't that be an easy way to go?13:53
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gouverneurflux: I think it is about speed, so not with wifi connection, so the usb-net setup is needed anyway13:54
fluxgouverneur, you can run it over usb-net13:55
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gouverneurflux: yah well but setting up smb is a pita and using winscp just works...13:56
* mgedmin tends to use ssh for file access -- not very fast, but simple to use13:56
gouverneurfor win at least13:56
gouverneurand for windows you may just use pc_suite (which did not import the SD lately)13:56 yawns13:56
* Arif_ yawns too13:57
RST38hheya wazd13:57
Arif_I woke up early again13:57
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gouverneurmgedmin: not very fast is because of the wifi powermanagement, if you have nothing running but sshd connection you will notice lag, turn on webradio and it is quiet fast, for small files it wont power up for large files it does anyway13:58
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mgedmingouverneur, nah, I disabled power management so I could ssh into my n900 without random pauses/drops14:00
mgedminit's still not blazing fast for transferring large files14:00
SpeedEvilpm works well with a sane AP14:00
mgedmineither CPU bottlenecks because of encryption or SSH protocol inefficiencies slow things down14:00
SpeedEvilI getr max lags of 0.3s or so14:00
mgedmingoogle for HPN SSH to read about the latter14:00
* mgedmin wants a sane AP14:00
gouverneurmgedmin: never got drops, pauses only if idle for very long14:00
gouverneurmgedmin: waht AP are u using it with?14:01
mgedminpirelli discus or something like that14:01
tigert    hmm14:02
wazdhello everyone14:02
gouverneurmgedmin: you are using an AP from an branched out company of a tire manuf. and are wondering about...14:03
mgedmingouverneur, Pirelli Discus DRG A125G to be more specific14:03
Stskeepsmorning wazd14:03
* tigert wonders whats different between telepathy-extras and account-plugin-haze?14:03
mgedminit's a wifi AP/router with some kind of IPTV support14:03
GeneralAntillesmgedmin, there were PSM fixes recently which may have helped. . . .14:03
mgedminruns linux, obviously14:03
tigertanyone got a clue?14:03
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tigertsame maintainer, description says its more or less the same thing14:03
GeneralAntillestelepathy-extras is the metapackage, no?14:04
tigertis it?14:04
mgedmintigert, there was a blog post once about all three different MSN plugins on the N90014:04
* GeneralAntilles thought so.14:04
tigertthey both show up in app manager14:04
gouverneurSpeedEvil: yes sane APs... Cisco at work and Asus/Linksys at home... a charm!14:04
GeneralAntillesaccount-plugin-haze was what it was called on Diablo14:04
GeneralAntillesDunno how that translated to Fremantle.14:04
tigertyeah there is the package for msn plugin too separate even14:04
mgedmingouverneur, IIRC I had issues with a Linksys WRT54GL at home and my old n80014:04
* tigert installs both and sees what happens14:04
gouverneurmgedmin: which rev. of wrt did you have?14:05
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mgedmingouverneur, it could've been WAP54G back then; I later replaced it with WRT54GL (no clue about rev -- 3 or 4 maybe?) and installed either dd-wrt or x-wrt on it14:06
mgedminthis is getting a bit offtopic14:06
gouverneurmgedmin: no its not, the later revisions have not enough of ram to do everything you want properly14:07
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gouverneura rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients where active14:08
mgedminthe wrt had 14 megs of ram, iirc, I couldn't enable shaping -- it'd get overloaded after ~24 hours and would reboot14:08
pta0007gouverneur: still dont know how to do that. i have set up the usb networking, but how to use "fuse"?14:08
infobotgouverneur meant: a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients were active14:08
mgedminpta0007, what do you want to do, again?14:08
mgedminusually you don't use fuse directly but rather some userspace filesystem built on top of it14:08
gouverneurpta0007: whats your distro?14:09
pta0007install the executable file into the device14:09
pta0007and run the app on the device14:09
mgedmine.g. on my linux laptop I run 'sshfs mg-n900:/ ~/mg-n900' to mount my n900's filesystem on ~/mg-n900/14:09
* tigert sets up facebook chat in n90014:09
mgedminpta0007, I suggest you just scp the file into your n90014:09
tigertI really wish there was some auto-contacts-merge tool that used heuristics14:09
mgedminassuming you've got openssh on your device14:10
gouverneurmgedmin: its about persistent connection14:10
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mgedminif not, copy it over usb, unmount, unplug, copy it from /home/MyDocs (mounted noexec) to /home and then run it14:10
tigertman that facebook chat plugin has a nice icon in addressbook14:11
gouverneurpta0007: my fstab entry for n900 looks like this14:11
gouverneursshfs#root@cassiopeia:/ /cassiopeia fuse user,noauto 0 014:12
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gouverneura current bug in fuse prevents the user from umounting as mtab getns the user flag14:13
tigerthow does fuse handle network disconnects?14:14
tigertI used sshfs to mount my dropbox from my server14:14
mgedmintigert, badly, in my experience14:14
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tigertworked nice but that was the problem14:15
tigertother than that it was awesome to have my dropbox in the device14:15
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tigertof course a real dropbox client would be nice14:15
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tigertI guess there is a binary blob involved that doesnt wrok for arm?14:15
gouverneurtigert: hermes was just disappointing lately, I thought it would grep all missing info from facebook but it didnt do anything but enter a additional URL for the facebook$user14:15
Stskeepstigert: bingo14:15
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tigertgouverneur: hm, weird14:16
gouverneuryes it is and I dont want to activate this birthday only contacts thing...14:17
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KhertanHum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?14:19
Khertani was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available14:19
Khertani was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl14:19
Khertanany idea ?14:19
mgedminspeaking of dropbox, has anybody tried porting ubuntu one to maemo?14:19
mgedminthe client is open-source AFAIU14:20
pta0007I think it's better if anyone could tell me how to on-device debug for n900 with maemo5 sdk, under ubuntu :)14:20
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GeneralAntilles$10 Ovi manages to make the PR1.2/Qt 4.6 more complicated than it should be.14:20
mgedminpta0007, the maemo wiki had docs about that; I haven't personally tried it14:20
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Khertanmgedmin: the interface of the client is open source14:20
Khertansome lib in it aren't14:20
wazdtitanium iPhone, nice14:21
mgedminKhertan, I thought that was about dropbox -- open-source nautilus plugin, closed-source client daemon14:21
KhertanGeneralAntilles: i put 20 $ on it14:21
Arif_GeneralAntilles, €5 on it'll be delayed :P14:21
Khertanmgedmin: yep closed-source client daemon (i miscalled that a lib)14:22
gouverneurhow do I softly restart telepathy? I am getting connection error with ICQ from time to time...14:22
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gouverneurto be precise: "Network error"14:23
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mgedminKhertan, what I'm gently trying to point out is that ubuntu one and dropbox are two different products14:24
mgedminand I'm not sure now which one you're talking about14:24
Khertanah sorry ... i was talking about dropbox14:25
Khertanbut ubuntu one has some closed part too right ?14:25
mgedminthe server is closed14:25
mgedminthey have published protocol specs afaiu14:25
Khertannot the client ?14:25
mgedminI'm pretty sure the client is entirely open-source14:25
mgedminthe name is silly, though -- they'd've done better not to name it "ubuntu one" if they wanted other distros to pick it up14:26
Khertanhum ... not only the name is silly14:26
Khertanbut hum ... it s still beta :)14:26
Khertanso i ll not made bad comment on it14:27
Khertansync is a difficult things to do14:27
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mgedminsync is hard14:27
mgedminwhich is why I never trusted sync14:27
Khertanthis is also why i ven't released yet mnotes14:27
mgedminwhich tends to cause me pain when I need to, e.g., migrate phones14:27
Khertanand the mnotes web ui14:27
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mgedminthe only sync I trust is sync I understand, which means revision control14:28
mgedminmy tomboy notes are in subversion14:28
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mgedminit doesn't work as well as you might expect14:28
Khertanmy tomboy note are all scratched due to multiple sync between conboy / ubuntuone / tomboy on my desktop14:28
lizardoKhertan: did you try pyside-qt4-opengl ?14:28
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Khertanand to be honest i like conboy on n900 but not tomboy on windows or linux14:29
antiiugh, cant seem to sync my calender with googles calander. i have set it up with exchange but still cant see my events :s14:29
Khertanlizardo: i ve try the simple example from pyside example14:29
mgedminI wish conboy had fewer bugs ...14:29
Khertanlizardo: it s require pyopengl14:29
mgedminI keep adding bulleted lists and conboy forgets the bullets as soon as I close it14:29
Khertanlizardo: which doesn't seems to be available14:30
mgedminmaking it just a series of lines14:30
Khertanlizardo: (same with all pyside example)14:30
Khertanlizardo: i didn't look more as i'm pretty much don't know qt14:30
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Khertanbut i didn't understand why it s require pyopengl ... as i think the opengl part was done with qt14:31
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lizardoKhertan: which errors do you get when running the 2dpainting example ?14:32
lizardoKhertan: the exact errors, I mean14:32
Khertani didn't got any error ... just a qt dialog saying that it s require pyopengl14:33
KhertanPyOpenGL must be installed to run this example14:34
pupnikKhertan: any interest in brushing-up mypaint for maemo?14:35
Khertanmypaint ?14:35
Khertanok ... currently not :)14:35
pupnika nice sketch app.  i did an optimized build of the C engine14:35
lizardoKhertan: did you try just commenting out those try: ... except: ... part?14:35
Khertannone ... shame on me :)14:36
lizardoKhertan: note: I'm not saying it will work (never tried them)  :) just trying to help14:36
Khertanlizardo: lol ... now it s works14:36
Khertanlizardo: yep yep ... thx for help14:36
Khertanstrange ... native and opengl painting run at the same speed14:37
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Cy8aer;-) I hate windows...14:48
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Khertan1483  votes for maemo 5 dropbox client14:49
Khertanso there are at least 1483 n900 user14:49
Arif_what's dropbox14:50
jacekowskifile hosting website14:50
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jacekowskii was thinking about something like OTA sync for n90014:51
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jacekowskibut rsync isn't good enough to steal14:52
jacekowskiso i have to make something on my own14:52
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MiXu-jacekowski: OTA sync - like calendar, contacts, etc?14:56
jacekowskiand files14:56
jacekowskiand everything14:56
MiXu-There's SyncEvolution GUI for syncing14:56
MiXu-but it doesn't do files afaik14:57
jacekowskiwhat i'm thinking of is something like that14:57
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MiXu-It works quite nicely14:57
jacekowskiyou go to the file/folder that you want to be sent to your n90014:57
jacekowskiright click -> send to -> my N90014:58
nid0what exactly is wrong with an rsync frontend again?14:58
MiXu-jacekowski: You can do that with Filezilla I think.14:58
jacekowskiand you get nice popup with latest directory structure14:58
jacekowski( or current one if n900 has internet/wifi connection )14:58
jacekowskiyou click where you want file/folder to go14:59
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jacekowskiand it's sent as soon as n900 has internet/wifi connection15:00
jacekowskiso no more usb, using filezilla, whatever15:00
jacekowskidata is sent in background and automaticaly resumed if phone loses connections15:01
MiXu-Yes, that would be nice.15:01
jacekowskiand rsync has couple limitations that would prevent it15:01
jacekowski+ issue with most providers NATing their customers15:01
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nid0the only problem with that if you're establishing the connection from server side getting to the n900 connected via wifi would require router configuration as almost everyone's gonna be behind nat15:02
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Khertanyep it s require a server to handle sync15:02
jacekowskiso it would require some server that would temporary store data to be sent15:02
jacekowskinid0: that's why i'm thinking about pc detecting if it's in same network as phone - and then data gets sent directly over reasonably fast wifi15:03
jacekowskinid0: and if it's not it goes to server and phone downloads it from there15:03
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jacekowskisvn like thing would be nice - but afaik there is no way to just store latest changeset15:04
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crashanddiejacekowski: git?15:05
jacekowskisame thing15:06
jacekowskiand there are other issues as well15:07
crashanddienot really15:07
jacekowskiimagine text file15:07
jacekowskimodified on phone and pc15:07
jacekowskithat would fail15:07
crashanddienot if you define one master and one copy15:07
crashanddieand force the merger transparently15:08
Khertancrashanddie: this is how i scratch all my mnotes15:08
crashanddieok, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?15:08
Khertansomeone have try pyside opengl on n900 ? it s look like the gl 2d painting is slower than the native one15:09
Khertanisn't it ?15:09
wazdwow, Russia vs Canada today15:10
crashanddiejacekowski: what about ftp?15:10
tybolltwazd: I think russia will win15:11
tybollthell even US beat canada15:11
wazdtybollt: well, I wouldn't be so sure :D15:11
tybolltwazd: seriously.15:12
tybolltwazd: Put yer money where your mouth is. I'm in for 100USD on .ru, you up for it?15:12
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wazdtybollt: even though I'm from Russia, I'm still not sure :D15:13
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tybolltwazd: you see ovetjkin tackle jagr?15:14
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* Arif_ is trying out all the 5 themes for maemo :P15:15
wazdtybollt: well, that was Jagr's fault :)15:15
threshtybollt: Ovechkin15:15
threshand he was uber-cool15:15
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tybolltthresh: Huh?
tybolltwazd: ovetjkin or ovechkin?15:17
threshtybollt: someone cant read15:17
threshlook at his jersey, ffs15:17
wazdtybollt: thresh is from Russia too, trust him :P15:18
tybolltthat's NHL anglo spelling of a russian name15:18
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threshthat's stupid15:18
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threshwe know best :P15:18
tybolltbah :)15:18
tybolltso why is it spelled "ovetjkin" in some places then?15:18
threshbecause some people are dumb15:19
wazdCSKA vs Sevilla today!15:19
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tybolltthresh: meh15:19
inzThe Ovetjkin seems to be the swedish transliteration15:19
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wazdtybollt: seriously he's [o'veʧkin]15:20
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wazdand [koval'ʧuk] :P15:21
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tybolltfrom now on :D15:22
wazdKovi and Ovi actually :D15:22
tybolltanyway we can agree him taking care of Jagr was nothing but pure hockey pleasure :D15:22
juhovhin Finland they spell it Ovetškin just for reference :P15:23
juhovhwhich should be quite close to the pronunciatino15:23
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tybolltjuhovh: It's like "Teemu Seläne" is ... "Teeeeeeaaaaaaamo Selaaaaane" in NHL... very confusing...15:26
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Arif_this livlsteel fire theme looks good too15:27
threshthat's why i'm usually Kostya to my foreign friends15:28
hrwthresh: or Kostia for slavic ones15:29
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tybolltthresh: as in opposed to your full name being ... ?15:29
threshas written in /whois :)15:29
tybolltoh people still put their names in there these days?15:30
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adeussure why not15:30
hrwtybollt: it makes things easier often15:30
tybolltI thought it was all "fuck off" for many years :)15:30
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satmdhm, is there a page showing screenshots of all these themes?15:30
* satmd found Reflect on w.m.o15:31
Arif_install them :P15:31
Khertanw.m.o ?15:31
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Arif_or look in the themes category in the forums15:32
Khertanah arf15:32
satmdoh. good idea.15:32
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Khertanahm trying some prefix ... ... ... windows.maemo.org15:32
Khertanbut never it s come in mind that it could be www15:33
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wazdmy Theming Guide was translated via GS for *russian* forum :D15:33
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Arif_themes need their own category methinks15:34
Khertanhum my game vectormine didn't have success ... :(15:34
juhovhwhat means didn't have success?15:35
pupnikjust saw it today15:35
nid0please *please* add an option to turn off sounds, srsly :(15:35
Khertannot many comment on talk or maemofrance15:36
Khertannid0: that it s a good comment15:36
juhovhso it was just an ad :P15:36
nid0downloaded it for a test yesterday, got as far as the first note emanating from my speakers and had to go switch to silent mode15:36
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* Arif_ votes it down :P15:36
meceWTF? I think ssh server crashed my N900...15:36
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meceor well messed with my xterm at least.15:37
Khertannid0: seriously you need a an option to turn sound off ? as personnaly just lower volume15:37
Khertanjuhovh: not s really an add ... just talking and ask for testers :)15:37
pupniknon-big-name games will find users slowly Khertan15:37
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juhovhI suggest just asking for testers in that case :)15:37
Khertanpupnik: oh ... :(15:38
nid0i think it'd be politer to have an option to shut down the game's sound without needing to kill sound for everything else on the device while playing it, thats just imo but i'd prefer one15:38
juhovhbecause "no success" sounded like "didn't get into repository" to me15:38
SpeedEviladd a blog post with some video maybe15:38
Khertanjuhovh: yep you can see it like that too ... :)15:38
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Khertanjuhovh: but i got so many problem with the packaging :)15:38
juhovhI see15:39
Khertannid0: ok ... i note it on my todo list for next version15:39
KhertanSpeedEvil: yep ... but before i prefer made it available to extras :)15:39
nid0is the only difference between 1.0.2-3 in the qa queue and 1.0.4-3 a working bugtracker link?15:40
Khertanpupnik: you mean that i should rename VectorMine to VectorMine-ACloneOfStormMineOnVectrex15:41
Khertannid0: and one or two small optimization15:41
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pupnikvectormine is a good name15:46
ShadowJKhm, do the maemo mailing lists see if you're on CC and then not send you a dup from the mailing list15:47
ShadowJKor is my too-complicated-to-understand mailing system automatically chucking away stuff...15:47
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corecodeif it is mailman then you can set this option yourself15:48
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javispedroRST38h: say, if you want, I could create a garage page+tracker for vultures15:51
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javispedrobut since this time nobody is going to use the VCS, just ask for the bugzilla component...15:51
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ShadowJKcorecode, ah, thanks15:55
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pablo2Hi guys , How to i use Xautomation in maemo? has .deb ?15:57
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Arif_why do I have the urge to not click that...16:07
nid0its just a bullshit porn pyramid scheme16:07
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Arif_no trojans? :p16:08
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nid0it does actually seem clean16:08
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ShadowJKbtw I wonder.. since Meego doesn't seem to expect to have much anything to do with end-users (or atleast that's the impression I get), the idea of scrapping is probably premature..16:18 still has a lot of life, yeah16:19
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scaporHi. Is it somehow possible to get on the internet with my n900 using the usb-cable, by using the wired internet connection of my PC, so instead of tethering, the opposite should happen ?16:20
scaporSomehow I'd have to share the internet connection of my pc over a usb port ?16:20
Arif_you don't have a wireless modem? :|16:21
javispedrooh, the omap has a hardware crypto accelerator?16:21
Lumpio-Presumably it should work if you set USB networking up the same way as with tethering, but do the routing stuff on your desktop PC16:21
threshscapor: yes, look for usb networking16:21
hrwShadowJK: lot of time will pass until meego will give something more then website+ml16:21
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GeneralAntillesStskeepz, what do we do with the whole MeeGo naming issue, though? :\16:21
scaporand is it possible with a windows host to share the network over usb ?16:22
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StskeepzGeneralAntilles: is a software or a hardware community? :)16:22
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, since nokia is changing naming schemes anyway, they could just call the next phone "Nokia Maemo 6"16:22
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GeneralAntillesStskeepz, it's Nokia's trademark.16:22
GeneralAntillesWho knows what they'll decide to do.16:23
Stskeepzwe should rename ourself to "the org"16:23
Stskeepz:P16:23 is a much better end-user forum than the terrible equivalent.. :)16:23
javispedronaa, too much like "the operative"16:23
tybolltI want nokia to introduce a knock-off of the classic "SEGAAAAAAAAAA" intro in the opening sequence w/ the hands reaching each other and then a "NOKIAAAAAAAA"16:23
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tybollt(Yes, I'm entirelly _on_ topic!)16:23
Arif_why not "MEEGOOOOOOOOOOO"16:24
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tybolltme likey16:24
viukkisit's-a-me, meego!16:24
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tybollt"Mefooool!" everytime you start the device - nice16:24
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TriztFromWorkWas there any fixes for wifi-problems in the coming release?16:25
ShadowJKthere were some wifi fixes in 1.1.1 i believe16:25
* tybollt wonders if Stskeepz (z?) is busy aiming his scud missiles at me olready? :)16:25
GeneralAntillesStskeepz, so is the user community for MeeGo?16:26
TriztFromWorkShadowJK; for me it looked as it wnet to the worse16:26
GeneralAntillesThat makes no sense at all.16:26
tybolltGeneralAntilles: indeed, none at all16:26
StskeepzGeneralAntilles: i am waiting for council to find itself16:26
tybolltStskeepz: so any question we answer will be echo "Awaiting council meeting" from now on, eh? :P16:27
pupniktry Kobodeluxe in -devel!!16:27
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pupnikneeds controls fix16:27
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javispedropoor council16:27
GeneralAntillesPoor indeed16:27
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, no I'd say is the user community for nokia maemo and meego devices..16:27
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GeneralAntillesShadowJK, that only makes 50% more sense.16:27
Arif_what about and being the same site :O16:28
GeneralAntillesArif_, is owned by the Chinese.16:28
ShadowJKI suspect Meego to Nokia's meego-device is more like debian to maemo..16:28
Stskeeps"" "cos we didn't have"16:28
javispedrowhat a stupid name. and it even comes with chinese domains attached.16:28
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Arif_maybe they're willing to sell it16:29
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javispedroeven is taken already16:29!16:29
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, I have a feeling we will lose the bugzilla for the binary nokia stuff, on future nokia meego devices :-)16:29
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, so do I.16:30
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, thus the backsliding on bug #630.16:30
povbotBug Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved!16:30
TriztFromWorkyou could use ;)16:30
* GeneralAntilles cares less and less, though.16:30
Stskeepson the other hand, more things get default open bugzilla16:30
GeneralAntillesMeeGo fail16:30
GeneralAntillesStskeeps, I'll believe it when I see it.16:30
drizztbsdwhere can I found the adobe-flashplayer*.deb that I have installed on my n900?16:30
Stskeepsdrizztbsd: closed source, non-redistributable16:30
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pupnikles not get panties TOO much in a bunch here...16:31
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drizztbsdStskeeps: so there is not an x86 version?16:31
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drizztbsd(to debug a flash-based website with scratchbox)16:31
Stskeepsno, not afaik16:31
drizztbsdok thanks16:32
javispedroyou can grab the x86 version from adobe.com16:32
Stskeepsnot public at least.16:32
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javispedrobut if you want to debug... i'm sure it does not even resemble the arm version at all.16:32
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javispedroso instead of we could have  ;)16:34
ShadowJKSeems closed source stuff will not be dealth with at :)16:34
* GeneralAntilles wishes they wouldn't use bugzilla.meego.com16:34
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GeneralAntillesand the tool matters less than the content.16:35 ;)16:35
GeneralAntilles"bugs" means something to more people than "bugzilla".16:35
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I want a pony, too.16:35
javispedroGeneralAntilles: yes, and also hides an implementation detail.16:35
javispedroerr... not the pony, but "bugs" vs "bugzilla"16:35
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drizztbsdmoblin uses the standard fedora flash release iirc16:36
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javispedromaemo is not moblin, at least, yet.16:36
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timeless_mbpJaffa: ping16:39
timeless_mbpJaffa: can catorize put '(e)mail' into _both_ Network and Office?16:39
timeless_mbpi expect mail to be in office16:39
timeless_mbpand i constantly kick myself about it16:39
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timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: does b.m.c require a special pony?16:41
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, the pony, in this case, would be a for Nokia closed-source components.16:41
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timeless_mbpi can't log into bugzilla.meego.c16:42
javispedronokia closed-source components and device-specific bugs16:42
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, it's not public yet.16:42
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?16:42
timeless_mbpit'd be really nice if they had given me the chance to give help16:43
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bergieBTW, this should make - interaction a lot easier:
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pupnikty bergie16:50
javispedroah nice16:50
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javispedrocan we setup multiple openid identities in meego can we?16:51
bergiejavispedro: yep16:51
javispedroit's nice to see an openid consumer from time to time16:51
bergieI'm using both and my own blog there16:51
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tybollt< timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?16:55
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tybolltto hear that from an actual employee is very very deeply profusely disturbing...16:55
timeless_mbpoh sure, nick highlight me16:55
tybollttimeless_mbp: ^^^^^16:56
timeless_mbpi don't work for LF, Meego or Intel!16:56
tybolltTim E Less is pretending Nookla has notta to do w/ this...16:56
tybolltNot involved...16:56
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tybollttimeless_mbp: You will allow me to be a bitter cynic, please.16:57
dnearyandre__, png?16:57
timeless_mbpjust leave me in peace :16:57
tybollttimeless_mbp: Not attacking you at all, sorry if that is how I came across...16:57
andre__dneary, pong16:58
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Corsacbwarf, openid is nowhere related to authentification17:00
mgedminCorsac, what is it related to then?17:00
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CorsacI'm not sure17:01
Corsacmgedmin: does trust *any* openid provider?17:01
Corsac( or any other openid consumer, for that matter)17:01
mgedminopenid replaces usernames and passwords17:01
bergieCorsac: OpenID is federated identity and authentication...
mgedminit doesn't replace accounts17:01
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mgedmintypically on any site I'd have to log in using openid and then create an account17:02
villemvCorsac: launchad openid works fine for me on meego17:02
bergiemgedmin: does this pretty nicely, it creates you the account from your openid identity17:02
* mgedmin goes and registers there then17:02
bergievillemv: yep, and you can associate that *and* if you like17:02
dnearyandre__, I'd drop the Beamer discussion - it's going nowhere :)17:02
villemvbergie: so I can log in w/ openid to now?17:03
andre__dneary, yeah. was also my last email :)17:03
villemvor just use 2 alternative openid providers for meego?17:03
bergievillemv: nope, because relies on Garage's accounts (long story)17:03
bergievillemv: but allows you to associate multiple openids with same account17:03
villemvI think I'm ok with just one ;-)17:04
bergievillemv: associating account now may be useful *if* we transfer some services from to later17:04
* mgedmin whistles impatiently and ponders the downsides of greylisting17:04
villemvI'm actually a bit confused with accounts... I have to use different passwords for different sites. I can never remember which is which17:05
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timeless_mbptybollt: it wasn't an attack17:06
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timeless_mbpit was nick highlighting17:06
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timeless_mbpyou're welcome to attack any entity you like, i just don't want to be nick highlighted when you do so :)17:06
gouverneurX-Fade: did talk just die?17:07
crashanddieOK, this is slightly disturbing17:07
X-Fadegouverneur: no.17:07
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crashanddieJaffa: remember that shot of you drinking a beer, and behind you there's a poster of naked men?17:08
gouverneurah now it works again, was unresponsive for about 5 minutes...17:08
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Corsaci saw that movie ¬¬17:09
crashanddieit's kinda a popular one, and the main referer to it is bing, with the query "drunk naked men"17:09
Arif_why would anyone look for drunk naked men?17:09
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Corsacyou don't want to know17:09
crashanddiebeats me17:09
Arif_you're right17:10
tybolltwhile :; do printf "timeless_mbp" ; done17:10
Arif_I don't :D17:10
crashanddieanyway, good night17:10
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tybollttimeless_mbp: jajaja, point taken.17:10
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corecodeis there a way to jump to the next page in the pdf viewer?17:13
corecodein fullscreen?17:13
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corecodeor even *gasp* use portrait?17:13
timeless_mbpcorecode: tap the right edge of the window?17:13
corecodeto de-fullscreenize it?17:13
timeless_mbpin full screen17:13
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timeless_mbp50% down the screen on the right side there's a button you can press (to the left of the scrollbar)17:14
timeless_mbpit's invisible, but will appear when tapped17:14
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mikkovX-Fade: nice counter in downloads page :)17:14
timeless_mbpit appears temporarily when the document loads17:14
timeless_mbpi don't think there's a portrait mode17:14
timeless_mbpbut keep in mind that PDF is a document oriented file format17:15
X-Fademikkov: Well, somebody needs to make it beautiful, but it works ;)17:15
timeless_mbpwhich means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the doucment at all17:15
infobottimeless_mbp meant: which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the document at all17:15
timeless_mbptotal waste17:15
nid0sigh, dodgy 3g service is /wrists17:15
timeless_mbpweb pages /could/ work in portrait, OnlyIf they didn't try to honor page author requests17:15
timeless_mbpwhich sadly, desktop oriented browsers do try to honor,...17:16
corecodetimeless_mbp: thanks!17:16
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corecodewell, pages tend to be used in portrait, so being able to turn the pdf viewer would be good17:18
mgedminmeego account creation asks for my country17:18
mgedminbut they don't use it to pick a sane default timezone17:18
mikkovX-Fade: download statistics for OS2008 seems mostly broken :)17:18
tybolltso meego is EPICFAIL olready at account creationg stage - this is gunna be funneh17:18
timeless_mbpcorecode: um17:19
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timeless_mbppages are physically larger than a cell phone17:19
timeless_mbpand cell phones don't come w/ magnifying glasses17:19
timeless_mbpif your pdf is a map, that's one thing17:19
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X-Fademikkov: Well, no. They are just extremely low it seems.17:19
timeless_mbpif it's text, then you will not find trying to use a pdf in portrait works well17:19
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corecodetimeless_mbp: i see17:20
matthew-Hmmm, anyone using AIM on your n900?17:20
tybollttimeless_mbp: reminds me of that dilbert strip... where the PHB calls ratbert at support asking what to do when his mouse has reached the end of the table... :-)17:20
mikkovX-Fade: some of the apps are missing the graph completely17:20
matthew-I'm adding the account and it says 'not signed in' all the time17:20
timeless_mbpend works17:20
timeless_mbp(edge is better)17:20
X-Fademikkov: Then I have no mention of them in the last 90 days in the download logs.17:20
X-Fademikkov: Or they aren't flagged to be in extras.17:21
X-Fademikkov: Do you have an example?17:21
mikkovX-Fade: battlegweled17:21
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pta0007anyone knows what is what is printf-debugging?17:21
mikkovX-Fade: there are more. OMWeather graph looks strange too, but it's possible that everybody just stopped using their tablets :)17:22
spectre-has anyone had cups running on their n900's?17:22
mgedminpta0007, it's when you insert printf statements into your source code to get an idea of what your app is doing17:22
mgedminthe simplest form of debugging17:22
mgedminrequires least amount of tool support17:23
X-Fademikkov: No mention of battlegweled in last 90 days.17:23
X-Fademikkov: only on fremantle.17:23
* timeless_mbp wonders what 'application/x-nokia-teh-rtp' is17:23
X-Fademikkov: For omweather: we now have daily stats so peaks are 7 times as low as before ;)17:23
timeless_mbp(google isn't being helpful)17:23
tybollttimeless_mbp: "teh", really?17:24
mikkovX-Fade: all graps show that all N800/N810 users stopped downloading apps on dec 1, 200917:24
matthew-No one? :)17:24
timeless_mbptybollt: really, google says it isn't misspelled17:24
timeless_mbpit doesn't explain wtf it is17:24
timeless_mbpbut it says that people agree it's written that way17:24
mikkovX-Fade: see maemo-mapper17:24
X-Fademikkov: That is when I switched to daily stats.17:24
timeless_mbp(the symbian sources are where i found it fwiw)17:24
tybollttimeless_mbp: anyway rtp... innit sommat to do w/ hmm realmedia shitz?17:25
timeless_mbpit should be, yes17:25
timeless_mbpstill doesn't explain 'teh'17:25
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timeless_mbpanother gem: nbrOfAgeed17:25
tybollttimeless_mbp: yes the "teh" part is very annoying, I agreee17:26
tybolltI agree, too.17:26
mikkovX-Fade: mplayer downloads stopped too on dec 117:26
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X-Fademikkov: They didn't stop. Zoom in.17:26
X-Fademikkov: They are just very low.17:26
X-Fademikkov: And this javascript graph doesn't rescale.17:27
mikkovX-Fade: ok, dropped from several hundred to practically 017:27
X-Fademikkov: several hundred / 7 = low17:27
mikkovX-Fade: ah, the scale changes in middle of graph?17:28
X-Fademikkov: Yeah, basically old values need to be interpolated.17:28
mikkovX-Fade: ok, now I understand.17:29
mikkovconclusion, nobody is using old NITs anymore17:29
X-Fademikkov: Not nobody, but it is significantly lower than N900 usage.17:30
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aquatixmyeah, i don't get any updates for os2008 on my n810 except for omweather now and then17:30
aquatixso why bother checking :)17:30
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X-Fademikkov: Check maemo-mapper now.17:33
X-Fademikkov: for os200817:33
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mikkovX-Fade: it looks the same, big drop on dec 1?17:34
X-Fademikkov: refresh now, cleared cache.17:35
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pupnikmikkov: excellent kobodeluxe update.  please add a "mouse" mode where stylus tap does not fire guns, but instead space or "x" (for lefthand) fires guns17:35
mgedminor openarena-style proximity sensor17:35
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mikkovpupnik: I guess you have patch for it somewhere?17:36
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pupniki did once.  lost my ports archive though.  will do it if you are not convinced17:37
mikkovmgedmin: for kobodeluxe? How is it different from openarena now?17:37
mgedminmikkov, I haven't tired the n900 port for kobodeluxe17:37
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pupnikaccel is cute but not comparable to stylus for dodging17:38
mgedminI was just thinking that pupnik's suggestion of using space or "x" would make it impossible to play kobodeluxe with the keyboard closed17:38
X-Fademikkov: omweather now makes a lot more sense too.17:38
pupnikit would17:38
mgedminand I remembered how openarena solved that: by (ab)using the n900's proximity sensor as a "key"17:38
pupnikplay the game to level six or more a few times, then discuss17:39
mikkovmgedmin: well kobodeluxe is using proximity sensor. I even ripped the function directly from ioquake3 engine17:39
mgedminah, cool!17:39
mgedminI must've misunderstood pupnik's suggestion then17:39
mikkovpupnik: I have played to level 20 something, although with easy level17:40
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mikkovX-Fade: I am tryin to see the updated graphs with IE now, but it shows just blank white17:40
X-Fademikkov: Doesn't support canvas.17:41
X-Fademikkov: Or something like that.17:41
thphow is this widget called?
pupnikobviously folks have idiosyncratic control preferences, myself included :)17:41
timeless_mbpthp: group label?17:41
mikkovpupnik: so removing mouse fire would make kobo better?17:41
JimiDinihow does one set up avatar at tmo? looking at profile-settings and don't see it :-/17:42
thptimeless_mbp: is that in hildon or where do I find it?17:42
pupnikyes mousefire removes part of the skill17:42
pupnikif every movement fires17:43
pupnikalso at higher levels the game limits firing rate17:43
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pupnikso dodging must be seperate from firing17:43
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mikkovpupnik: ok, that's quite simple change then.17:43
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mikkovor when thinking how kobo engine works, it can be a real pain to change it without breaking anything else17:44
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pupnikperhaps implement by adding an additional mousemode (called tablet?)17:45
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pupnikwonderful that you got the prerendered sounds working.  it can be an excellent game now17:45
timeless_mbpthp: hildon widgets would be here:
timeless_mbpi don't see anything relevant17:46
timeless_mbpthp: GtkFrame probably17:46
mikkovX-Fade: I restarted my browser, big drop in maemo-mapper graph still. But it's not that important anyway17:46
thptimeless_mbp: that's a good clue. will try to see if it's GtkFrame - thanks17:46
X-Fademikkov: The whole graph should be in the same scale now.17:47
thptimeless_mbp: yep, it's a GtkFrame :)17:48
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timeless_mbpthp: group label => groupbox => google gtk groupbox => suggestion to use gtkframe17:48
timeless_mbpoddly enough, there are files in mxr that talk about gtk group boxes, but they're all *Qt* files :o17:49
mikkovX-Fade: some caching still somewhere, I guess17:49
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pupniktimeless_mbp: can i force browserd to really sleep?  javascript pausing still leaves me with 48 pct cpu17:50
pupnikwith 5 pages open17:50
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pupniki can use bookmarks to workaround17:53
Jaffatimeless_mbp: I started on some code to allow Catorise to have apps in multiple categories, but aborted it. It shouldn't be too hard.17:54
Jaffacroppa: aye17:54
infobotJaffa meant: crashanddie: aye17:54
timeless_mbpJaffa: :/17:54
timeless_mbppupnik: kill -STOP :)17:54
timeless_mbpmy mac is going to die now17:54
johnsu01So it seems like more than half the time when I read mail with modest, it doesn't end up marking the messages as read on the server17:54
timeless_mbpit's going to meet 10.6 on a new hdd17:54
aquatixjohnsu01: there's a bug on that17:55
tybollttimeless_mbp: mmmh, new hdd *drools* SSD by any chance?17:55
aquatixi had the same issue years ago :)17:55
johnsu01aquatix: not such a good issue for a mobile mail client to have :)17:55
* Arif_ yawns17:56
aquatixnope, but has to do with them uptimising bandwidth usage17:56
timeless_mbptybollt: no17:56
timeless_mbpmy 300gb hdd is dying, ssd would be expensive and smaller17:56
johnsu01aquatix: any ideas how to work around it? I mean, it has the correct information locally, so I wonder if there's a way to force it to submit the info17:56
timeless_mbpso i got a 500gb hdd replacement17:56
timeless_mbpbye all :)17:56
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derfI saw a 512 GB SSD the other day.17:56
tybollttimeless: think cheap SSD to boot from and then cheap regular TB sata disk for storage17:57
Arif_a 160GB SSD for OS/games + 2TB for data would be enough I guesss17:57
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derf512 GB SSD: $1462.92.17:58
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derfI think the one I saw was cheaper, but you had to buy a laptop with it.17:58
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KegetysI have 64GB SSD for OS+apps and then 1TB HDD for games, media, etc. on my main desktop17:59
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Arif_I wonder if SSDs will decrease load times in games17:59
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GeneralAntillesMy X25-M is amazing18:08
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* aquatix thinks about getting an x18-m18:09
aquatixGeneralAntilles: that 2nd gen version?18:09
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GeneralAntillesaquatix, yeah, 80GB G2.18:09
* Arif_ considers buying a new monitor18:10
GeneralAntillesaquatix, I'd wait until Summer at this point.18:10
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GeneralAntillesThey should start dropping fast soon.18:10
Arif_22" is too small now ;(18:10
GeneralAntillesYo, timeless.18:10
GeneralAntillesEr, timsamoff.18:10
aquatixGeneralAntilles: ah, that'd be nice18:10
GeneralAntillesArif_, Samsung 2343bwx18:10
GeneralAntilles22" is a terrible size18:10
aquatixand i can't seem to find the 2nd gen version of the x18-m yet here18:10
GeneralAntillesSince it's just a lower-PPI version of a 20" :P18:10
GeneralAntillesaquatix, with the 1.8"?18:11
Arif_I was thinking of a 32" TV with HDMI18:11
timsamoffEr, GeneralAntilles18:11
aquatix24" and bigger++18:11
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aquatixGeneralAntilles: yeah18:11
nid0I had to send back a batch of x25's to nokia last year :(18:11
aquatixArif_: that's still only 1920x108018:11
Arif_aquatix, this one's 1650x1080 :P18:11
aquatixmeh :)18:11
* aquatix likes his 24" 1920x1200 at work18:11
nomisOmweather automatic location totally fails on me. I don't get what is happening there.18:12
aquatixlike my home tft even better ;)18:12
* Arif_ is poor and can't update so often :P18:12
nid0nomis it messes up for me regularly too, I switched to forecaweather18:12
* aquatix is broke now too ;)18:12
* nomis is located in the middle of Siegen, Germany and OMWeather shows me weather information for Haguenau, which I suspect to be in france.18:12
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GeneralAntillesaquatix, er, s/with/why/18:12
nid0every so often omweather just randomly records me as being the other end of the country for several hours at a time18:12
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aquatixGeneralAntilles: because my ultraportable now has an 1.8" hdd18:13
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aquatixwhich... sucks :)18:13
Hydroxidenomis: wikipedia confirms your suspicion18:13
GeneralAntillesaquatix, interesting.18:13
* Arif_ doesn't have omweather on at all18:13
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* Arif_ has a window he can look out of :D18:13
aquatixGeneralAntilles: I have a Samsung X360 laptop18:13
aquatixnice little thing, but i should've bought the one with the ssd ;)18:13
aquatixbut this was expensive as-is :(18:13
Hydroxidefor me it gets the GPS location right, at least to within the correct city, but I did have to switch away from nokia's SUPL server to google's because of some issue with nokia's SUPL server on t-mobile USA. (already documented in
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* Arif_ has an X360 but it's not a laptop :(18:14
Hydroxide(the GPS actually works fine in general after that switch)18:14
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nid0I assume there must be an error in the database somewhere because when it gets my location wrong it always points me to one little village in scotland somewhere18:14
aquatixArif_: googling for "hdd and x360" sucks indeed ;)18:14
nid0rather than a gps fault as such18:14
nomisHydroxide: I have confirmed that the information from the GPS subsystem is correct.18:14
GeneralAntillesaquatix, isn't Samsung bundling their own crappy SSDs, though?18:14
GeneralAntillesaquatix, I don't think any OEMs are shipping Intels.18:15
aquatixGeneralAntilles: yeah, but the version with the ssd was 450 EUR more expensive18:15
aquatixso i went with the hdd version18:15
GeneralAntillesThe Samsung SSD is about the worst one available18:15
aquatixso now i'm thinking about getting that intel18:15
aquatixah :)18:15
aquatixwell, glad i didn't go with it then18:15
GeneralAntillesIndilinx is better18:15
GeneralAntillesBut no OEMs ship that, either.18:15
GeneralAntillesIntel is the best, currently.18:15
GeneralAntillesYeah, it's weird18:15
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ShadowJKI think the jmicron ones are worse than samsung?18:16
GeneralAntillesThe SSDs that OEMs ship often have WORSE performance than magnetic media.18:16
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, they are, but do they still make them?18:16
GeneralAntillesEither way, yeah JMicron on the worst.18:16
GeneralAntillesSamsung really isn't far behind, though.18:16
ShadowJKGeneralAntilles, it's the staring-at-benchmarks syndrome anyway... people were staring blindly at sequential read/write speeds.. and alot still are18:16
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GeneralAntillesaquatix, the two AnandTech articles are pretty much the be-all-end-all on the subject of SSDs.18:17
GeneralAntillesShadowJK, indeed.18:17
GeneralAntillesThe Intel ones are just unreal, though.18:17
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GeneralAntillesI'm glad I have some real drives in this computer, though.18:18
aquatixah, just found a 1.8" postville18:18
aquatix210 EUR18:18
tybolltAll I know about SSD is ... BY GOD don't buy anything (typically early OCZ drivers) w/ a jmicron controller and you're reasonably safe.18:18
aquatixGeneralAntilles: :)18:18
GeneralAntillesI find my Mini 9 utterly unsettling since it has no moving parts.18:18
nid0this machine only has an intel ssd and velociraptor \o/18:18
aquatixyeah, i have that too18:18
tybolltGeneralAntilles: You've the mini9 too? ssd or hdd?18:18
GeneralAntillestybollt, the Mini 9 only ever came with SSD.18:18
aquatixtybollt: no moving parts ;)18:18
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tybolltGeneralAntilles: I've been contemplating putting a crucial N215 in there18:19
GeneralAntillestybollt, haven't heard anything about the Crucials18:20
tybolltGeneralAntilles: BUT  I can't for the life of me find a doc describing what cotnroller it has... so I'm just guessing Curcial ain't saying on account of it being the shoddy jmicron shit...18:20
GeneralAntillesRunCore is generally the recommended one for speed18:20
GeneralAntillesBut they're expensive.18:20
johnsu01aquatix: when I had a 1.8, a put a dual CF adapter in the drive bay, with 2 16GB CF cards :)18:20
johnsu01worked out really well18:21
tybolltGeneralAntilles: the crucial N215 (32GB) is <100EUR over here... so I'm very very tempted >:)18:21
aquatixjohnsu01: hm18:21
aquatixjohnsu01: somehow i think i can better get an x18-m18:22
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aquatixmore expensive though18:22
GeneralAntillesaquatix, it's like a whole new world of computing18:22
tybolltI was kind of hoping to keep the Mini 9 mini wrt the price tag too ;P18:22
aquatixjohnsu01: otherwise i'd rather stick with the hdd :)18:22
GeneralAntillesand that's coming off a dual-drive RAID0 in a desktop.18:22
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ShadowJKyou know, the first indilinx were optimized for sequential too, until anandtech tested a prototype from OCZ and told them "this sucks"..18:22
GeneralAntillesFor a laptop. . . .18:22
aquatixGeneralAntilles: :)18:22
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ShadowJKit's not inconceivable that there's a vendor out there stupid enough to go for the sequential speed benchmarks again18:23
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jaskaif theyre making ssd tape drives?:D18:24
tybolltvnedors stupid... naaaaaw - NEVARH HAPPENED!18:24
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johnsu01aquatix: yes, about 5x the price of the homebrew solution :)18:25
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johnsu01and the homebrew is expandable18:25
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Corsacand slow?18:26
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aquatixjohnsu01: and 10x as slow18:27
aquatixand 2.3x as little storage :)18:27
aquatixnot that it's no fun ;)18:28
johnsu01that difference in drive speed is the bottleneck on your ultraportable? :)18:28
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aquatixit's plenty fast18:29
johnsu01skeptical :)18:29
aquatixulv 1.2GHz c2d18:29
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aquatixable to do h264 720p and more18:29
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aquatixbut the hdd is trashing when booting18:29
aquatixand such18:29
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johnsu01yeah, that's why I replaced the horrible 1.8" HD in my X40, and that made a huge difference because the drive was only 4200rpm -- but I'm less sure that the difference between SSD speeds would make such a difference18:31
Arif_VGBA just crashed on me18:32
aquatixArif_: aww :)18:32
Arif_and the sound still sucks ;D18:33
aquatixArif_: then fix it ;)18:33
aquatixnever used it even18:33
matthew-Anyone uses AIM here? I've got a problem, when I add account it says 'Not Signed In' instead of Enabled.... Any ideas why?18:33
Arif_I'll just wait a few versions untill it's usable18:33
Arif_I'll play SNES/NES/GBC untill then!18:34
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Arif_and WHY hasn't anyone proter picodrive yet ;~;18:34
Arif_I wanna play Sonic 3 ={18:34
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aquatixGeneralAntilles: i might wait till summer then :)18:35
* Arif_ continues his ramblings18:35
aquatixArif_: :)18:35
aquatixwe continue to ignore them ;)18:36
aquatixhf though18:36
Arif_you do that!18:36
Arif_just like nokia does ;~;18:36
GeneralAntillesaquatix, hopefully they drop soon.18:36
GeneralAntillesThe last prediction was for Winter 2009, but that really didn't pan out.18:36
GeneralAntillesA process shrink is coming soon, too, I think.18:36
Arif_oh, yay18:37
Arif_Ovi added a Shrek 4 trailer!18:37
aquatixif there's a G3 soonish, i'll get a G2 then :)18:37
tybolltgen2 of what?18:38
GeneralAntillesWell, X1818:38
* tybollt keep hoping for lots of new gens (so the old ones drop considerably in price ;)18:38
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GeneralAntillesDidn't pan out for the G1s.18:39
aquatixtybollt: my idea18:39
aquatixbut i might get a x18-m g2 soonish anyway18:39
Andy80is it just my impression or... when I run an application inside Scratchbox+Xephyr it doesn't run in "full colors" ? It looks like 256 colors or something similar... is there a way to make it looks exacly like N900?18:39
tybolltmy brother got the X25 I think, 40G intel ssd18:39
tybolltit was silly expensive18:39
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GeneralAntillesAbout $100 in the US18:40
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GeneralAntillesAssuming you can find it in stock.18:40
nid0i'd be kinda dubious of being an early adopter of the next gens of intel ssd's from now on though tbh18:40
nid0at least for a while18:40
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aquatixanyway, i'm off18:40
tybolltIntel ssd has good reputation - non?18:40
aquatixciao :)18:40
aquatixtybollt: yep18:40
tybolltExcept that silly firmware FAIL18:40
nid0generally yes, very18:40
nid0but the firmware brickage = big fail18:41
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tybolltnid0: ACK, granted that of course >:)18:41
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tybolltoh la la18:41
* tybollt is headed for the HW shop right now actually18:42
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* JimiDini needs some volunteers ;)18:47
JimiDiniwe deployed OpenID Provider functionality at today and would be cool if you could give it a test18:47
JimiDinispecifically, I am interested in 2 things:18:48
JimiDini1) try to log in somewhere using just "" as OpenId url18:48
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JimiDini2) try to log in using your full OpenID identity-url, which you can find here:
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hrw passed18:50
hrwwith my maemo openid18:50
GeneralAntillesWorks on with the full URL.18:50
GeneralAntilles"OpenID authentication failed: No matching endpoint found after discovering" on hrw's link.18:51
nid0hrw's link works for me18:51 fails, im already registered there separately though18:51
GeneralAntillesAdding an OpenID to my existing account on worked.18:52
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: and short-url?18:52
JimiDininid0: it fails on meego side or on maemo side? ;)18:53
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, tried it with "" and "" on hrw's link, both failed with that error.18:53
nid0meego side sorry, it just recognises that the email addy's already registered - going to try adding to my existing acct now18:53
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GeneralAntillesJimiDini, short URL works on, however.18:53
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: weird… well, probably that test-server has limitation on nick-length…18:54
nid0both types of login work fine on claimid.com18:56
JimiDinierror could be related to old version of php-openid on that site also18:56
JimiDininid0: thanks18:56
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JimiDiniI guess it  kinda works™ ;) back to hacking19:00
JimiDiniif there are any problems — ping me19:00
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GeneralAntillesJimiDini, we want a Bugzilla component?19:01
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all resources, which is supposed completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.19:03
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JimiDinis/supposed/supposed to work/19:03
infobotJimiDini meant: GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all resources, which is supposed to work completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.19:03
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GeneralAntillesEr, for OpenID bugs. ;)19:03
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JimiDiniah… :)19:04
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GeneralAntillesUp to you, it's something I can help with, though, so I figure I'd offer. ;)19:04
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JimiDiniwell, this component is not specific. bugs can be reported here:
JimiDinithough, probably something at bugzilla would be useful too19:05
JimiDinitrac is for more technical reports19:05
GeneralAntillesAh, yes, true.19:06
* GeneralAntilles often forgets about Midgard upstream. ;)19:07
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: in this case component was developed because it was needed at, but still it is generic :)19:10
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gouverneurand again no response from talk...19:24
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JimiDinigouverneur: same here. X-Fade probably knows the reason, but he is away19:26
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pupniki wonder what would happen if the community just continued to use the term "maemo" to refer to any nokia linux OS19:27
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pupnikbad pupnik19:28
GeneralAntillesMass confusion19:28
GeneralAntillesPossibly cease and desist letters. :P19:28
TomaszDfiferboy, fiferboy_n900 how's the transifex work going?19:28
frals pretty interesting stuff19:29
fiferboy_n900TomaszD: on hold while I search for a job19:29
TomaszDfiferboy_n900, IRL job?19:29
fiferboy_n900TomaszD: yes19:30
TomaszDfiferboy_n900, alright, good luck then19:30
JimiDinifrals: yup. read it :) it was posted on proggit several days ago19:30
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Arif_the NES and GB emulators have an L and R button!19:31
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pupniki would love to get only posts from a small positive list of users on t.m.o19:34
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RST38hpupnik: why not create an invitation only forum?19:41
pupnikthe useful posts should be seen by all19:41
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LuciusMareHi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for serial communication only?19:43
pupnikthe moderators have helped somewhat.  merging new threads into existing ones does help a bit19:43
cehtehis there any script or hook or whatever called when the internet connection changes?19:43
GeneralAntillesfrals, interesting.19:43
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LuciusMareI want to use the audio jack for serial communication, since there is no serial console on n90019:44
pupnikLuciusMare: is there a url describing serial over headphones?19:44
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pupnikpulse is flexible enough to do that19:45
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LuciusMareNope, it is just my idea, and i think it was even accepted here on #maemo19:45
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GeneralAntillesLuciusMare, serial pads are under the battery.19:45
hrwhave a nice rest of day19:46
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LuciusMareyes, but aren't they used for kernel debugging only?19:46
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wumaohow can I access /home/user/ directory of n900 on pc?19:47
LuciusMarewumao: mount bind?19:47
nid0install rootsh and use winscp19:48
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wumao I want to copy something into that directory19:48
LuciusMareheh, yeah, i thought of "on a pc" as "over usb"19:48
RST38hpupnik: A Google Group that is invitation only will be visible to everyone but only invited people will post19:48
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wumaoyes, i connect with usb, mass mode19:49
LuciusMareNo chance of getting the n900 on your network?19:49
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wumaowhat do you mean by network?19:50
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wumaois it possible to transfer file into home/user directory through usb? like the other mobile phones19:51
nomiswumao: you can transfer them to home/user/MyDocs.19:52
nid0into /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs?19:52
wumaoyes, how to do that? i cant even find the path from the pc19:52
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LuciusMarethe /home/user/MyDocs is that 30GB partition you get19:53
LuciusMarewhen using usb mass storage19:53
nomiswumao: plug in the USB, select "Mass Storage Mode" on the device, then you get two devices on the PC.19:53
gouverneurwumao: you need to setup usbnetworking and scp the files! not in massstorage mode19:53
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nomisgouverneur: huh?19:54
gouverneurnomis: LuciusMare if you have no clue just sh...19:54
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LuciusMaregouverneur: not really, he can transfer it to mydocs, and to ~ and vice versa19:54
wumaobut when I sent up the usbnetworking, connect with pc suit mode, i cant see any device shown on my pc19:54
LuciusMaregouverneur: exactly my point19:54
wazd heh19:55
gouverneurmassstorage does export MyDocs and SD nothing else19:55
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nid0wumao is it /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs you want to access. the difference is pretty important.19:55
LuciusMaregouverneur: what do you have against the solution of transfering the file to mydocs, and copying to ~?19:55
wumaook, i think mydoc is much safer19:55
nid0to get to mydocs, just plug the phone in in mass storage mode19:56
nid0and it shows up.19:56
nid0all there is to it19:56
LuciusMareThen, open xterm, and copy the files from MyDocs to your home19:56
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gouverneurLuciusMare: lame I get slower in typing over the day... 9h kbd now.. should go home...19:57
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gouverneurI was at 'MyDocs' when you hit enter19:57
LuciusMarewumao: I might be too curious, but what exaclty do you need to copy to your home?19:57
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wumaoluciusMare, just wonder whether this is a handy way to build binary file on device19:58
gouverneurwumao: lol what do you want to build19:59
LuciusMarethat is yet another problem, but i am sure there was a thread on tmo (
wumaoa simple helloworld app19:59
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gouverneuryou can do that at MyDocs... doesnt need to be home20:00
wumaook, after i connect with usb, mass mode, i can see N900 on pc20:01
wumaoenter N900, i can see some directories like DCIM, cities,MAC OS20:02
LuciusMareThe devices you see, one of them is your memory card, while the other is mydocs,perfectly accessible from the tablet20:02
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LuciusMareYes, the N900 is probably the mydocs20:02
LuciusMarejust being curious, what os do you run?20:02
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wumaowindows, with virtual machine running linuxe20:03
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LuciusMarei usually prefer it reversed, but whatever O:)20:03
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cehtehanyone here good with openvpn ... i have problems when switching the connection20:10
LuciusMareHi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for only manually choosed sounds?20:10
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wumaoI think N900 is exactly MyDocs20:12
wumaoI could find the file there20:12
wumaobut when I try ./myapp, the terminal show : Permission denied20:13
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LuciusMarenot set as executable?20:13
LuciusMarechmod +x file20:14
wumaoexecutable (application/x-executable)20:14
LuciusMareyes, that is the filetype20:15
lcukwumao, MyDocs is marked noexec20:15
sar3thi need a bit of git help please20:15
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sar3thi can't git pull20:15
lcukput binary into /home/user and chmod +x it20:15
LuciusMaredo you know what does executable mean?20:15
LuciusMarelcuk: thanks20:15
sar3therror message is:20:15
sar3th<file> not update. cannot merge20:15
andrewfblackStskeeps: Bug Bug Bug?20:15
* RST38h moos at lcuk20:16
lcukhiya RST38h20:17
* lcuk moos contentedly20:17
wumao:) how to copy the file from home/user/MyDocs to home/user? some commad like cp /home/user/MyDocs/myapp/ /home/user/myapp?20:18
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LuciusMarebut you can save your fingers by typing: cp MyDocs/myapp .20:19
LuciusMarewhen you are at your home directory20:19
LuciusMareyou know, that is a question about shell basics, more like for ##linux20:19
lcukhow is appp formed?20:19
LuciusMarelcuk: your parents didn't give you "the talk" ?20:20
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lcukhow n900 get pragnent?20:20
Myrttiit's like, lame20:20
lcukwumao, how did you get the app into mydocs i nthe first place20:21
RST38hMyrtti: Perligata is better20:21
wumaocool, after chmod +x file, the app runs!20:22
wumaojust connect the phone with pc using usb, mass mode20:22
wumaocopy the file into the N900 disk20:22
lcukthat will become tiresome ;)20:22
lcukinstall ssh and use scp20:22
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LuciusMareMyrtti: That is hilariously funny, i think it is a great idea that makes a nice parody.20:23
LuciusMareErm, yo.20:23
nid0lcuk: that was the very first suggestion quite a while ago, he wanted usb20:23
wumaoyes, actually am studying that as well20:23
nid0scp wasnt suitable I guess :>20:23
lcuknid0, lol20:23
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lcukwumao, are you a windows user at heart?20:23
* lcuk nods20:24
lcuki was the same20:24
lcukthis place changes you20:24
wumaoI never learn linux before I got the n90020:24
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wumaoso much to learn20:24
lcuksnap :) good luck with it20:24
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wumaoanyway, thank you all.20:24
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lcukyeah its an uphill stretch coming from windows, but soon you will get it20:24
LuciusMarewumao: do not hesistate to ask at #linux :P20:25
nid0windows users is what winscp is for :>20:25
nid0otherwise, it's just scp.20:25
wumaosure :)20:25
wumaoi have tried madde for a while20:25
lcuki did most of liqbase dev with winscp explorer window20:25
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wumaobut it seems not stable at all20:26
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fralslcuk: hehe, thats how i do fmms20:26
lcukfrals i never checked20:26
lcukwhats fmms written in20:26
lcukheh so you scp to device and edit still in windows20:27
lcukcool, what editor do you use20:27
fralstextpad :D20:27
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fralsgod im going crazy20:32
fralslike i post in fmms thread "please post log or i have no idea whats wrong"20:33
fralsAND THE VERY NEXT POST GOES "plz help its not working i get download error"20:33
sar3thaaw frals20:33
nid0thats forums and users for you20:33
sar3ththat's people :(20:33
nid0welcome to teh internets20:33
* frals introduces head to desk. commence bashing20:33
RST38hfrals: It is ok, ignore 'em20:33
RST38hfrals: There are basically too outcomes: either there is more than one idiots in the thread and they start helping each other20:34
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RST38hfrals: Or the idiot posts 3-4 increasingly desperate requests in all caps and disappears20:34
TomaszDhas anyone checked the rep counter app in testing? it's great20:35
nid03 would be give popular applications their own subforum and the app's maintainer mod access to it20:35
TomaszDI don't want a subforum20:35
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fralsi want people to atleast read the first and last post of a thread before replying, but i wish for too much :P20:36
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fralsRST38h: yeah, im starting to do that now :<20:36
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GAN900frals, I want ponies too. :P20:38
fralsGAN900: you get me users who read before asking questions, ill get you a pony, deal?20:38
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GAN900frals, I think we're going to both be left feeling very unfulfilled in this endeavour.20:40
fralsGAN900: im afraid so :(20:40
* wazd thanks gizmodo for answering one of his most important questions in life20:40
wazdoh, and titanium iPhone is fake, as expected :(20:42
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fralswazd: whats your most important question in life? :p20:44
nid0titanium iphone case = hi even worse terrible reception20:44
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wazdfrals: no, question was "How game studios record car engines for their sims" :)20:45
wazdoh, today is actually Steve Jobs birthday20:46
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Xisdibikwazd: carbonsteel iphone?20:49
SpeedEvilDiamond iphone.20:49
XisdibikI heard Lady GaGa has that20:49
SpeedEvilI mean solid diamond.20:49
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SpeedEvilmake the case out of artificial diamond20:49
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wazdXisdibik: it can be carbon, but, as titanium, it's waaaay tooo difficult to produce it :)20:50
Xisdibikwazd: ;)20:50
wazdXisdibik: that's why I was sure it's fake :)20:50
XisdibikSpeedEvil: if there going through that trouble might as well make hte chips and such diamond,  faster speed then ;)20:50
RST38hmoo wazd20:50
RST38hwazd: how are things?20:50
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wazdRST38h: heya :) Well, comme ca :)20:51
RST38hwazd: goigng to attend the Maemo dev event at the end of March?20:52
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wazdRST38h: I haven't received confirmation :)20:52
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wazdRST38h: and it would be boring GTK lecture that I already heard in SPB, so I can just come to the afterparty :P20:53
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dracflamlocwhats the best mp3 player for n90020:54
GAN900wazd, microphones? :P20:55
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GAN900Somebody had a piece about how Turn 10 collected their stuff for Forza years ago20:55
GAN900Interesting stuff.20:55
SpeedEvildracflamloc: the inbuilt one mostly works for me.20:55
wazdGAN900: well, yeah :D but it's not that easy, as I expected :)20:56
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Arif_where's shuffle in kmplayer20:57
dracflamlocmaybe im missing something20:57
dracflamlocbut my music doesnt seem to be pulling in correctly20:58
wazdGAN900: but this question was disturbing my mind since I've played NFS: Shift, cause sound there was ultra-realistic20:58
SpeedEvil Free as in ...20:58
SpeedEvilSound is smoother if you add rsize=819220:58
dracflamloc'unknown artist' has 10,000 entries20:59
dracflamlocand im pretty sure its reading in sound files from games or something20:59
dracflamloccan i tell it to ignore certain folders20:59
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* andrewfblack is bored21:00
dracflamlocwhen you select delete in the media player, does it actually delete the files?21:01
* SpeedEvil cures andrewfblacks boredom.21:01
* SpeedEvil puts down the container labelled ants.21:02
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GAN900wazd, NFS: Shift is unplayable21:03
RST38hwazd: ah there will be a confirmation and a boring qt lecture afaik ::)21:03
GAN900wazd, I've been driving sims since the 90s and I just smack into one wall after another in Shift.21:04
RST38hwazd: Actually they have got a list of lectures, some boring others should be ok21:04
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RST38hGAN, wazd: RALLY-X!21:04
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wazdGAN900: I'm dreaming of buying G25, but I've played with simple keyboard it it worked fine21:05
wazdGAN900: try to enable some aids :P21:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, driving aids?21:06
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wazdGeneralAntilles: well, it's near impossible to trive without them with keyboard :)21:06
GeneralAntilleswazd, I drove sims with a keyboard, too.21:07
wazdGeneralAntilles: have you got wheel?21:07
GeneralAntillesAlthough with ABS and TCS.21:07
GeneralAntilleswazd, had one, sold it.21:07
GeneralAntillesLogitech MOMO21:07
GeneralAntillesI learned on a gamepad and still drive best with one.21:07
GeneralAntilles360 gamepad for both my 360 and my Mac.21:07
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wazdGeneralAntilles: hmmm21:08
wazdGeneralAntilles: is it worth dreaming of wheel? :)21:08
Kegetysif you get a wheel then at least play some proper sims21:08
GeneralAntilleswazd, not sure.21:08
jo-erlendon Nokia N900, can I install other operating systems? When MeeGo is released, for instance?21:08
GeneralAntillesI wouldn't start with the G25. :P21:08
Corsacjo-erlend: maybe21:08
GeneralAntillesThough, actually, I'd love to try a wheel with a proper clutch.21:08
jo-erlendCorsac, maybe?21:08
GeneralAntillesbut I really didn't use it much21:08
CorsacGeneralAntilles: remind me to not get in a car with you :)21:08
GeneralAntillesIt's a pain to set up and take down all of the time.21:09
GeneralAntillesCorsac, fly-by-wire.21:09
SpeedEviljo-erlend: you can install them - that is there is nothing precluding you doing so.21:09
GeneralAntillesCorsac, it's like Men in Black. :P21:09
wazdGeneralAntilles: well, I want to buy used g25 for like 200 bucks21:09
SpeedEviljo-erlend: they simply have to be made to run on it21:09
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GeneralAntillesCorsac, no, but I have no trouble using a wheel and pedals in a car. ;)21:09
RST38hRALLY-X, you fanatics!21:09
ScribbleJjo-erlend, it's too early to say for MeeGo.  In theory, probably?  But there is nothing to stop you from hacking something in there.  You saw someone got Android going on the N900?  I think just in a chroot, but still.21:09
jo-erlendSpeedEvil, right. But I do get access to the interal storage so that I can install it?21:09
RST38h(the last driving sim I ever had fun playing)21:09
SpeedEviljo-erlend: yes21:10
ScribbleJjo-erlend, yes, you have access to everything.21:10
jo-erlendusing usb, or how?21:10
SpeedEviljo-erlend: n900 is much closer to a 'normal' PC linux than most phones.21:10
GeneralAntilleswazd, unless you have a station that can be your driving rig then putting it up and taking it down all the time is just a pain.21:10
SpeedEviljo-erlend: add 'rootsh' package - open xterm - type root - and you're root.21:10
Kegetysdoesnt take that long to lift it to the table and back for me21:10
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GeneralAntilleswazd, and I found I drove better with the pad even after months of practicing with the wheel.21:10
SpeedEviljo-erlend: and rootsh is in the default repositories21:10
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wazdRST38h: MicroMachines :D21:12
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GeneralAntilleswazd, see if you can't find one to play with before you buy.21:12
wazdRST38h: well, I can contact Timofey and ask him to register me anyway21:12
SpeedEvilRST38h: on fbreader - somewhat randomly - is there a way programatically to get it to go to next page?21:12
wazdGeneralAntilles: well, I think I saw some demo places for it21:12
SpeedEvilRST38h: dbus or something?21:12
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GeneralAntilleswazd, also, try a real damn sim. :P21:13
jo-erlendSpeedEvil, yes I know. But I don't understand how to start installing a new operating system on it.21:13
wazdGeneralAntilles: Live for Speed? :)21:13
GeneralAntillesYeah, that's a good one.21:13
GeneralAntillesBuggy, but good.21:13
wazdGeneralAntilles: that's a helluva sim21:13
wazdGeneralAntilles: too complex for me :D21:14
wazdGeneralAntilles: I tried to play it online and was beaten like 3yo boy21:14
SpeedEviljo-erlend: well - you can start by simply editing the init
GeneralAntillesIt takes a while to build up the skills for a real sim. ;)21:14
SpeedEvilfor example.21:14
wazdGeneralAntilles: I was drunk for a week after that, it was really humilliating! :D21:15
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RST38hSpeedEvil" prolly no, sorry21:15
RST38hIt has never been intended to work over dbus21:15
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jo-erlendSpeedEvil, ah.. I forgot about the microsdhc slot :)21:16
SpeedEvilRST38h: k. Wondering to change page over ssh.21:16
SpeedEvilRST38h: (n900 propped up next to bed - keyboard under covers)21:16
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RST38hSpeedEvil: more book.txt21:18
wazdGeneralAntilles: what game I'm dreaming of is an MMORacingSim where you just drive, like in the city :)21:18
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GeneralAntilleswazd, with multiplayer? ;)21:19
GeneralAntilleswazd, or do you mean GTA? :D21:19
SpeedEvilRST38h: I suppose so - (but lynx) and xrnadr21:19
wazdGeneralAntilles: yeah, TDU was a close step21:19
wazdGeneralAntilles: no, with no guns, but with real physics and stuff21:19
GeneralAntillesDriver was nice like that21:20
mtnbkrwazd: I htink that is called "life"  :)21:20
GeneralAntillesmtnbkr, yeah, but Ferraris cost money in "life". ;)21:21
wazdmtnbkr: well, Moscow traffic is way too nervous21:21
SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Only the ones with good locks.21:21
GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, well, they all cost something.21:21
GeneralAntilles5-10 for those, maybe. ;)21:21
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wazdmtnbkr: even though I have full ensurance - it's still a bit tricky to drive for me :) That's why I'm not a fan of real driving :)21:22
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GeneralAntilleswazd, what, bad coordination? :P21:23
wazdGeneralAntilles: no, I actually park like god :D21:24
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wazdGeneralAntilles: just strange stance of mind21:24
* GeneralAntilles always has to watch himself after long racing sessions.21:25
wazdGeneralAntilles: and all that infinite jams here are really boring21:25
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wazdGeneralAntilles: what I actually liked in HFS:S is in-car view. Really convincing21:28
X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Does tim still want his cloak? Freenode staff member contacted me. Tim didn't respond :)21:28
GeneralAntillesX-Fade, he does.21:28
GeneralAntillesHe should be back for the meeting.21:28
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timelesshey generalantilles21:31
* timeless is now running 10.6.2 :o21:31
GeneralAntillesFinder sucks less, doesn't it?21:31
timelesswhat irc client should i use?21:31
timelessi'm trying limechat, it's a lemmon21:31
Stskeepsssh and irssi?21:31
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GeneralAntillestimeless, Adium21:31
GeneralAntillestimeless, grab 1.5 from mercurial.21:32
timelessstskeeps: that's what i'm doing21:32
timelessgeneralantilles: err, i just grabbed 1.3.10 from their site..21:32
* timeless wonders what happened to 1.421:32
GeneralAntillesIt's in beta21:32
GeneralAntillesEr, 1.4hg21:32
timelessdoes adium require a compiler?21:32
JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: is adium's irc-support better than Colloquy?21:33
timelessi'm using my n900 for connectivity and don't have developer tools yet21:33
* JimiDini uses Colloquy for many years and it works good21:33
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, for the most part.21:33
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, mostly it's not slow and leaky as hell.21:33
GeneralAntillesand netsplits don't make it SBBoD for 2 minutes.21:33
GeneralAntillestimeless, yeah, 1.4 will need XCode.21:34
GeneralAntillesWell, maybe not.21:34
GeneralAntillesHang on21:34
* timeless hangs21:34
GeneralAntillesI s/:/,/ for the tab-completion separator which I why I went with the CVS version.21:35
Arif_these spam merchants ont he forum are starting to annoy me21:35
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Vanadishmm, how do i uninstall the preinstalled apps (blocks, chess, Mahjong)?21:41
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* timeless tries to figure out how to get adium 1.3 to connect to irc21:42
GeneralAntillestimeless, not sure if it does21:42
GeneralAntillesGrab the beta from the link
timelessyou mean i really need 1.4?21:42
timelessit'd downloading. 48s left21:42
GeneralAntillesIRC was new for 1.421:42
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* andrewfblack wonders if its worth the time to start another Fremantle Hildon Theme or not21:43
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lcukandrewfblack, polkadot, take existing theme and dottify it21:46
andrewfblacklcuk: Polkadot theme :)21:46
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lcukandrewfblack, you may know, have we got an automatic background changer tool yet21:47
lcuksomething to change them to subset of available panoramics21:47
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andrewfblacklcuk: nope not background tools yet21:48
* andrewfblack really needs a pocket programmer21:48
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: testing Adium for irc. looks good… but a bit too noisy, I think21:50
integer`how to regen menu file in maemo 4 ?21:50
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, noisy?21:50
andrewfblackguess I'm going to buy a qt book this week21:51
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, I recommend yMous for nick coloring, by the way.21:51
JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: yes. Colloquy fits message on one line, Adium puts it on 2…21:51
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, change the font size? :P21:51
midasn900 ftw21:52
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JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: it's not font-size, it's "style", I guess (first line for nick, second for message)21:52
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, oh, yeah, the default still is IM-friendly.21:52
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: and how do i split things into multiple windows?21:52
GeneralAntillesJimiDini, install yMous21:53
midasone of the best things must be the possiblility to mount nfs shares :P21:53
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, checking "Save opened chats when quitting" is the easy way under "General" in settings.21:53
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: btw, i've already managed to crash adium once in this session (trying to save my nickserv password i guess)21:53
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, drag the tabs around to move them into their own windows or add them to existing ones.21:53
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, and install the yMous theme.21:53
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GeneralAntillesClick on "Install" in the right column there.21:54
JimiDiniGeneralAntilles: yup. looks better (using for group-chats only for now)21:55
timeless_mbpok, i did that21:55
timeless_mbpwhen does it take effect?21:55
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JimiDinitimeless: it required disconnect/close irc-window/connect on my machine21:56
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, after you pick it in prefs on new chat or restart21:56
timeless_mbpJimiDini: incredibly inconvenient21:56
* JimiDini is awfully glad that he has irc-proxy installed and can use many irc-cliens for same sessions ;)21:57
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, Colloquy had /reload style21:57
GeneralAntillesI think it's still being implemented for Adium.21:57
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GeneralAntillesWeb coordination meeting in #meego-meeting in 3 minutes!21:57
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timeless_mbpwell, at least dragging tabs in/out hasn't crashed it yet21:59
timeless_mbp(that's something that generally kills colloquy)21:59
GeneralAntillesYeah, Adium's pretty solid.21:59
timeless_mbpwell, i've already crashed it once21:59
timeless_mbpso i'd hardly call it solid :)21:59
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I haven't crashed it in months and months.22:00
timeless_mbpwhere do bug reports go?22:00
GeneralAntillesBut it's way more solid than Colloquy (not saying much I guess, but still).22:00
timeless_mbpit's too flashy22:00
timeless_mbpi don't like the numbers that change my tab width22:00
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, trac.22:01
timeless_mbpif i pastebin my crash, can someone figure out if it's reported? :)22:01
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, you can turn off that in Advanced22:01
GeneralAntillesAdium's pretty nicely configurable for the most part22:01
GeneralAntillesSo just poke around in Settings if there's something you need to change.22:02
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, bug #adium. ;)22:02
timeless_mbp#adium or #adium-dev* ?22:03
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GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, hrm, I've always used #adium.22:03
GeneralAntillesHadn't realized there were other channels.22:03
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jo-erlendwhat do the different colors of the led indicators mean on n900?22:15
GeneralAntillesjo-erlend, blue is a notification (SMS, IM, missed call, etc.)22:15
GeneralAntillesWhite is for powering up or powering down22:15
GeneralAntillesOrange is for charging22:16
GeneralAntillesGreen is for charged22:16
jo-erlendah, thanks. :)22:16
corecodeis the source for the mail app available?  i'm not yet comfortable in the maemo repos22:16
ds3and is red for overload?22:16
GeneralAntillesds3, red isn't defined for anything as far as I know.22:16
ds3or prehaps battery danger? ;)22:16
GeneralAntillesRed is for when an iPhone user gets too close.22:16
GeneralAntillescorecode, yes, it's called Modest22:17
ds3actually, can it do red?22:17
GeneralAntillescorecode, backend is tinymail.22:17
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corecodewhere do i find the sources?22:17
ds3a real question22:17
corecodei can't seem to find them on gitorious22:17
ds3does the N900 have all the functionality of the older N8xx's if there is no SIM in there or has nokia treated like a phone and locked out things?22:18
GeneralAntillesThink it's on Garage22:18
Stskeepsds3: yes, except AGPS sucks a bit22:18
jo-erlendcorecode, add an deb-src to sources.list?22:18
timelessds3: the n900 doesn't have two sd card slots22:19
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ds3Stskeeps: is there a regular GPS?22:19
timelessso it doesn't have all the functionality of the n80022:19
ds3or is it tied to the phone network to get a lock?22:19
timelessnor does it have a mini sd slot, so it's missing functionality from the n81022:19
ds3timeless: yes, that and the lack of host mode is a sore spot22:19
GeneralAntillesds3, only because the GPS is sucky.22:19
corecodesomehow i have the feeling that it doesn't always connect to the wifi network available22:19
jo-erlendds3, what kind of locks are you talking about? It seems very open.22:19
corecodebut i have to do so manually22:19
timelessthe n800 supported a swivel camera, the n900 doesn't have that :)22:19
corecodei guess that's known, is it?22:19
Stskeepsds3: lock -helps a lot- :P22:19
ds3jo-erlend: some phones refuse to do anything w/o a valid sim22:19
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GeneralAntillesds3, it'll work, but the chipset is intended for use with network assistance22:20
GeneralAntillesSo it wont work WELL22:20
GeneralAntillesNothing's been intentionally locked out, however.22:20
ds3so I assume I can still pair up a BT GPS to replace it?22:20
corecodeso how come modest is not on
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GeneralAntillescorecode, don't ask me. ;)22:21
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corecodethanks anyways22:21
corecodethat's good to know22:21
ds3or has the BT GPS bit been removed?22:21
corecodethe sent-mail-not-on-imap issue is nasty22:21
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GeneralAntillescorecode, you could karma whore and file a bug on about that.22:21
corecodenevermind :)22:22
corecodemore important things to do (:/)22:22
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GeneralAntillesEr, the "Modest not in"22:22
Klownerobscure question, but anyone here using an N900 in Holland?22:23
derfds3: BT GPS works fine with the N900.22:23
jo-erlendcan I use the GPS on N900 on my laptop?22:24
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Klownerjo-erlend: I would suspect you could run gpsd on the n900 and then connect to it via usb-networking22:25
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jo-erlendnot via bt?22:25
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Klownerjo-erlend: it doesn't provide any gps-related bluetooth services as far as I'm aware, that'd be a nice thing to have though22:27
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: how do i open a /query in adium?!22:27
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I think cmd-n does it.22:27
jo-erlendKlowner, but that's an OS issue?22:27
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, I usually just fire them off and wait for the response to open a window.22:27
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timeless_mbpeww. yuck yuck22:28
timeless_mbpin colloquy, /query victim message opens a window w/ the message22:28
timeless_mbpwhich means i know i sent it22:28
timeless_mbpotherwise, i have no idea if / when i sent something22:28
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, yeah, I know.22:28
GeneralAntillesOne thing that bugs me22:28
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GeneralAntillesTry cmd-n for it.22:28
GeneralAntillesMaybe poke #adium about a better solution22:28
GeneralAntillesThere may be a setting, dunno.22:29
Klownerjo-erlend: yeah. unless someone were to write an additional bluetooth service for the n900 which provided a bluetooth interface to the maemo location api stuff, such a thing seems theoretically possible22:29
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jo-erlendthink I want to try Ubuntu MID on it. :)22:33
humehi... I'm trying to connect my n900 to an ubuntu laptop, but it does not mount, neither in mass storage nor in PC-suite mode. Is there something I can do?22:33
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Klownerhume: it does the little pop-up pc-suite / mass storage selector when you plug it in?22:34
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humeKlowner, yes, and then I select one of them22:34
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Klownerhume: hm, on mine it pops up a thing in ubuntu asking what I'd like to do with the newly inserted device. open in f-spot, open folder, etc.22:37
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humeKlowner, right now I have it in mass storage mode. On the n900, when I click the small BT-symbol, it says "connected via USB, mass storage mode"22:37
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corecodewait what the n900 is not supported by the ovi pc suite?22:37
humeKlowner, hrm... ok.....could be my laptop, perhaps?22:37
Klownerhume: maybe, check dmesg and also make sure "Nokia N900" isn't listed in the "Places" section of your gnome menu22:38
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adeussometime my ubuntu just does nothing22:38
humeanother issue: when I browse to my google calendar on the N900, it shows in a simplified PDA-mode - how can I make the browser show it in normal mode22:38
adeusbooting helps22:38
humeKlowner,'s there....ok...sp got mounted without any nautilus pop-up....interesting22:39
Klownerhume: not sure about google calendar, but I have my google calendar sync with the built-in calendar22:39
humegot any ideas on my browser - google-calendar  issue?22:39
humeKlowner, how do you do that, it didn't know that worked....22:40
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Klownerhume: it works using the Mail For Exchange stuff22:40
Klownerthere's instruction somewhere, I shall find them22:41
humeKlowner, ok, i haven't got it to work. Is there a place in the Mail for Excange where i can choose which google cal is to be synced? that might be my problem, it might sync the wrong one22:41
Klownerinstructions aren't very well written22:41
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corecodeso, any idea how i can migrate my e51 messages to the n900?22:42
GeneralAntillescorecode, the migration assistant on S60 may help.22:42
corecodeit did migrate the contacts22:42
corecodebut not the messages22:43
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humeKlowner, no....but those are the ones I followed. but i think my issue is that I have several calendars22:43
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Klownerhume: ah, that may be, I'm not sure about what to do with multiple calendars22:43
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humeKlowner, thanks. I think I get it now22:48
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Pronto|n900woooooot! got a socks5 proxy via ssh working on n900 meamo browser :D22:49
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samosadid not know n900 community was this big.22:54
Texratwazd: here22:55
wazdTexrat: I've read your pdf :)22:55
Texrat(that was fast btw)22:56
cpscottisamosa:  next thing we're going to write blog post condemning microsoft, boycott google and thus turn the internet in a better place. (lol)22:56
mtnbkrcpscotti: you forgot Apple. :)22:56
wazdTexrat: you must know that PayPal doesn't work in some countries :)22:56
wazdTexrat: so it will be impossible to manage donations like this for everyone :(22:57
cpscottiApple is so worse than we won't even touch them.. we'll just let them kill themselves with their religious "non-porn" public22:57
fralspdf? what? where? whatabout?22:57
fralsTexrat: ta22:59
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Texratwazd: yes I know but this is just a start, with examples22:59
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pupnik_texrat!  how you doin man?23:01
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Texratpupnik: surviving23:02
Arif_cpscotti, but playboy is alright!23:02
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cpscottiArif_: lol!23:04
wazdTexrat: ah, ok then :)23:04
fralsTexrat: nice stuff23:04
Arif_oh great23:05
Arif_I thought I'd put some games on the N90023:05
Arif_and now I have over 3GB of ROMs23:05
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Texratfrals: thanks.  suggestions welcome23:07
jo-erlendI should put my videos in /home/user/MyDocs/.video or somewhere else?23:07
tank-manlol, that jpg above is safe by the way23:07
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Arif_jo-erlend, as long as its somewhere on the 27GB partition23:08
jo-erlendArif_, but I'd like the media to be available in the media player, without navigating to them in the file manager.23:09
Arif_doesn't matter23:09
GeneralAntillesandrewfblack, save the specific stuff for another meeting. ;)23:09
Arif_they get indexed anyway23:10
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corecodedoes the maemo ovi maps version deal with offline maps?23:11
corecodehow do i get them?23:11
corecodei only seem to find symbian packages23:11
GeneralAntillesThey usually come bundled for your region23:11
GeneralAntillesNot sure about downloading other regions or replacing lost regions.23:11
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jo-erlendArif_, that didn't happen here.23:15
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Arif_it did here!23:15
cpscottifrals: thanksss!23:15
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corecodeheh oh wow23:21
corecodelarge maps23:21
Arif_Dutchland ýs only 60MB23:22
dmj7261igagis: I really like your theremin app23:23
corecodewell, i'm downloading europe23:23
corecodeand america23:23
corecodejust to make sure :)23:23
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Arif_stop travelýng over býg mapped places :P23:24
Arif_yourope ýs 1.6GB or somethýng :o23:24
corecodeare your accents a bit off?23:24
Arif_someone stole the dot off my i apparently23:24
igagisdmj7261: :)23:24
corecodeso should i get a microsd card?23:25
corecodeor is that not necessary23:25
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dmj7261igagis: I downloaded the code and was looking at ways it could be improved.23:25
Arif_you can never have enough space23:25
Arif_32GB is enough :P23:25
lcukArif_, i describe 32gb as a good start!23:26
pupnik_it is too much forf this tracker schema23:26
Arif_I only have 4GB left23:26
jo-erlendArif_, perhaps it takes a while before the index is updated?23:26
nid032gb is "about bearable if upnp works"23:26
nid0which it doesnt :<23:26
dmj7261igagis: Have you thought about improving the samples/synth?23:26
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Arif_jo-erlend, they showed up when I pulled out the USB23:27
Arif_you can try tracker-processes -r23:27
Arif_in terminal23:27
igagisdmj7261: well, synth is hard, it takes much cpu, and I don't know how to improve it actually23:27
igagisdmj7261: have you manged to build the code&23:28
pupnik_a TB303 / 808 jambox would be fun23:28
pupnik_wonder if they would consider a port of RubberDuck23:28
dmj7261Not yet.  I downloaded it like 15 minutes ago and was digging in the synth code to see what you wrote there.23:28
dmj7261I've noticed that there seems to be a sort of glitching when you switch notes quickly.23:29
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cpscottiso people.. one question about garage.maemo developer philosophy; You have you mature software there, +15 votes: it's going for extras in no time (Q&A crit) to aid lots of users.  Then you find a minor, hidden little bug.. you fix it and upload to -devel.23:29
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igagisdmj7261: I see, the code is now only for N90023:29
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pupnik_and the game starts anew cpscotti23:29
cpscottiShould you make everyone wait for another 20+ days to get it or you let the old version going and send the updated version after the first one hit extras.. relying on the update system..23:29
dmj7261I have the n90023:29
dmj7261no n8x023:29
igagisdmj7261: in case you hav N8x) you have to ceckout some old rev then23:29
igagisdmj7261: that's fine23:29
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cpscottipupnik_: didn't get it..23:30
dmj7261Wow, that violin sample is really odd.23:30
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igagisdmj7261: as soon you use some vibrato when playing violin sample it sounds a bit more like violin23:31
pupnik_cpscotti: i don't know how it works23:31
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cpscottipupnik_: hmm.. the thing is.. the software is very useful, won't harm anyone and less than 5% of the users will note the little bug.. by then the new version has already hit extras..23:32
nid0largely depends on the bug I guess, if it's some minor functionality flaw that doesnt otherwise adversely affect the device, may as well let it go out and just get the next one going through the testing process23:32
cpscottiit is hard to decide23:32
cpscottinid0: what I think! and that's exactly the case..23:33
lcukpupnik_, khertan has been using pygame to great effect23:33
cpscottibut you know.. community.. it's better to ask23:33
lcukhave you got any experience with it23:33
nid0whats the package and the bug?23:33
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nid0the top flaw?23:34
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pupnik_lcuk: yes he did nice game play for such a new app.  i particularly like the high friction on the spaceship.  makes control easy23:34
Mouseylol friction and spaceship in same sentence23:34
* Mousey scoffs23:34
cpscottithe "update policy" was flawed so that if the user selected "don't matter" for network presence, the command would execute when there was a connection event23:34
lcukdo you wanna have a dig through here and see what looks uber cool?
pupnik_feel free to make a realistic game Mousey23:35
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lcukand where we might need work on23:35
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dmj7261you're right, still sounds a bit off23:35
corecodeso do i need a class 4 sdhc card or will a class 2 do?23:35
pupnik_nice lcuk : bookmarked23:36
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dmj7261Perhaps add some vibrato to the keyboard?23:36
nid0just to store crap, class2's perfectly fine23:36
Arif_corecode, read reviews23:36
matthew-Any french people here?23:36
Arif_class=MINIMUM speed23:36
Arif_some class 2s are better than class 6s23:36
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pupnik_lcuk: really, i need to focus more, not explore more23:36
cpscottinid0: I answered ur question up there but forgot to "link" u23:37
pupnik_you saw what crap results i had on 770/81023:37
dmj7261igagis: Would better samples be useful do you think?23:37
corecodeArif_: i see23:37
lcukok pupnik_ just pondering how some of them look23:37
Arif_I have a class 2 kingston23:38
Arif_I get 10+MB/s :P23:38
nid0cpscotti - yeah frankly a minor flaw like that, fwiw my answer would be get it into extras and get the qa process going on the next version23:38
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cpscottinid0: thanks a lot..23:38
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pupnik_lcuk: did you try kobodeluxe yet?  it is close to being one of the very best games for N90023:40
lcukpupnik_, ive not had any time to try out almost anything recently23:41
pupnik_k, keep it in mind!23:41
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lcukpupnik_, make a proper review posting about it23:41
lcukyour knowledge of gaming surpasses most anyone on this platform :)23:42
corecodeso 32GB SDHC won't work?23:42
corecodeoh wait, that's not micro23:42
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corecodei think it is too late here23:42
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tybolltpwnguin; Is your friend the pwny here?23:46 violin bits don't sound that great23:46
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dmj7261igagis: I might be able to offer you some cello.23:46
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sh0gun_Hello, please is it possible to disable smilies in chat windows?23:46
pwnguinthere is no such nick pwny23:46
sh0gun_And also remove smile icon?23:46
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sh0gun_On Maemo 523:47
igagisdmj7261: I don't actually use recorded samples23:47
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igagisdmj7261: I generate them23:47
dmj7261what are the things in misc?23:47
timeless_mbpGeneralAntilles: hey23:47
timeless_mbpmy mac won't let me connect to my wifi router23:47
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, ho23:47
pwnguintybollt: oh, this is a joke. i misread23:47
pupnikspeaking of SDHC...
GeneralAntillestimeless_mbp, have you tried hitting it with a stick?23:48
igagisdmj7261: these are my expirements with synthesis in scilab23:48
* GeneralAntilles is usually inclined to blame the router in those situations.23:48
dmj7261Ah, I see23:48
* GeneralAntilles is slowly starving to death in this chair.23:48
dmj7261so those don't do anything?23:48
igagisdmj7261: yep23:48
tybolltpwnguin: ;)23:49
dmj7261that explains a lot23:49
igagisdmj7261: now I have to go to sleep, bye for now23:50
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corecodealright - any idea how i can "upload" sms to the n900?23:51
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corecodeis that rtcom?23:53
corecodeoh yea23:53
corecodestarvation here as well23:53
corecodeand overcaffeination23:53
Arif_corecode, "upload"?23:53
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corecodewell, i found a way to extract the text messages from my e5123:54
Arif_just use transfer!23:55
corecodenow i want to push them to my new n90023:55
corecodedoesn't work!23:55
ShadowJKthis xchat notification thing is rofl23:55
Arif_why not!23:55
corecodemessages don't get transfered23:55
ShadowJKpocket going whirrr bleep whirrr all the time23:55
Arif_it worked with my N95!23:55
corecodeonly contacts+calendar23:55
Arif_use nokia PC suite?23:55
corecodei was told the pc suite can't upload messages23:56
corecodeto the n90023:56
Arif_could be true23:56
Arif_I don't know23:56
corecodethe ovi suite can't even connect to it23:56
Arif_I haven't even tried PC suite with N90023:56
Arif_I only have it to install sis files on the N95 :P23:56
corecodethat leaves me with...23:56
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corecodehow do i push messages to the n900 :)23:56
Arif_there was a thread on the forum23:57
corecodethey got to be stored somewhere23:57
Arif_with a guide23:57
Arif_about SMSes23:57
sejoevening all23:57
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sejohow to get PySide on my loptop?23:57
Arif_...don't look at me23:57
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Arif_yeah that23:59
Arif_I haven't read it23:59
Arif_so don't blame me if it doesn't work :P23:59

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