IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-02-24

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Arif_	....whoever thought of the placement :P	00:00
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yigal	yes well the speakers in my G1 are on the back of the device	00:00
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yigal	that's really thoughtful engineering	00:01
dmj7261	the touchbook looks nice, though x86 would be better.	00:01
Arif_	yeah like the N900s are better	00:01
Arif_	they're barely hearable	00:01
Arif_	=P	00:01
yigal	dmj7261: Pixel Qi's technology is revolutionary	00:02
yigal	dmj7261: it will mean extremely long battery life for all sorts of devices	00:02
* Arif_ hits the N900's designer with comon sense and a brick		00:02
ShadowJK	my N900 has decent amount of volume	00:02
ShadowJK	occasionally it randomly uses the music speakers instead	00:03
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yigal	Arif_: you give and then take away, common sense leaves after the brick, brick first please	00:03
Arif_	they don't use it anyway	00:03
Arif_	!	00:03
dmj7261	It would be nice if they could be a little louder for some things, but I find them considerably louder than necessary others	00:03
yigal	I'm still old school with an n800	00:03
Arif_	I find the average for music	00:03
Arif_	but unusable for movies	00:04
Arif_	=D	00:04
dmj7261	my friend with an itouch is jealous of the n900 speakers	00:04
ShadowJK	But the N810 speakers rock	00:04
Arif_	lol the iTouch is a joke	00:04
yigal	anyone know the lowest price on an n900 out there for the US right now?	00:04
yigal	$450 or lower?	00:04
Arif_	I'm jealous of the 5800 and N95 8GB speakers	00:04
dmj7261	last I checked was ~$500	00:04
Arif_	={	00:04
dmj7261	but that was a while ago	00:05
nid0	im jealous of my e90's keyboard and looks :(	00:05
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Arif_	as long as they don't go adding stuff from the N96/N97	00:05
Arif_	:p	00:05
yigal	crazy Nokia junkies	00:05
dmj7261	Pixel Qi's displays do look desirable.	00:06
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lcuk	duct tape your favorite components together	00:07
yigal	dmj7261: e-ink w/color but with the capability of full color really an improvement	00:07
lcuk	into the uber device	00:08
Arif_	I tried	00:08
Arif_	but it wasn't working ={	00:08
lcuk	did you try inverting the tachyon field?	00:08
Arif_	I'm only good at complaining about ready made objects :D	00:08
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nid0	pull out the chip, screen, and nand from n900, cram it all into an e90 somehow, done :D	00:08
dmj7261	yes, but that just emitted polaron radiation.	00:09
lcuk	nid0, rehousing n900 would be a fun project	00:09
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Lumpio-	You need to reverse the field polarity	00:09
Lumpio-	By interrupting the plasma relay briefly	00:09
nid0	trying to get it working with the e90's dual screens would probably be interesting too.	00:09
dmj7261	let's make it into a laptop like the console folks do!	00:09
yigal	is there a reason the n900 is a brick relative to it's generational siblings?	00:10
dmj7261	anyone care to make their n900 bigger?	00:10
yigal	iphone, droid	00:10
Arif_	Nokia hates you	00:10
yigal	dmj7261: me me	00:10
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yigal	dmj7261: I want a 5" display	00:10
dmj7261	keyboard, camera...	00:10
lcuk	dmj7261, i did laptop style on my n810	00:10
yigal	dmj7261: that would be great	00:10
dmj7261	really?	00:10
yigal	lcuk: me too	00:10
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Arif_	they should remove the keyboard	00:10
Arif_	I never use it!	00:11
dassu	eh	00:11
dmj7261	I wouldn't mind a bigger screen, maybe 4.1" but I remember that I want it pocketable.	00:11
yigal	lcuk: still hoping for a tablet device with "Linux" one day, one day	00:11
nid0	hd2 is still fairly pocketable, but being superthin helps	00:11
lcuk	http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1603/810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg	00:11
nid0	thats a mammoth screen	00:11
dmj7261	I use the keyboard, not because it's faster but because I hate covering the screen	00:11
dassu	I would enjoy having bigger battery :(	00:11
yigal	dmj7261: or getting it dirty?	00:11
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dmj7261	that too	00:12
Arif_	use the pen	00:12
lcuk	yigal, whats wrong with the linux you got on N8x0/900 ?	00:12
Arif_	;p	00:12
dmj7261	irc chats are horrid using an onscreen keyboard	00:12
yigal	lcuk: nothing, but I have a problem with Android that's all	00:12
dmj7261	the conversation moves on before you type a response	00:12
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yigal	lcuk: and n900's screen is too small for my productivity	00:12
lcuk	some people are better than others dmj7261	00:12
lcuk	yigal, you got one?	00:13
yigal	lcuk: no I'm using a g1	00:13
nid0	video output > big telly = problem sorted when at home anyway	00:13
dmj7261	yigal...I think the n900 screen is no smaller than the G1	00:13
lcuk	nid0, need to solve problem of cable length for video out	00:13
yigal	lcuk: as a phone at least, and a t91mt as a laptop, it's too large for my taste though, something in the middle one day	00:13
lcuk	yigal, but can your g1 be a video console	00:13
Arif_	a video console?	00:14
yigal	dmj7261: no but to use it as a laptop like device that's the consideration	00:14
lcuk	video out	00:14
dmj7261	I see	00:14
yigal	lcuk: right	00:14
lcuk	direct presentations, games, photos, videos	00:14
Arif_	video out is win	00:14
yigal	lcuk: no	00:14
yigal	lcuk: right that is good	00:14
dmj7261	I like my video out	00:14
Arif_	if you combine it with UPNP	00:14
lcuk	800*480 means its feasible	00:14
Arif_	=}	00:14
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lcuk	peoples jaws drop when you run presentations from it	00:14
nid0	yeah, all we need now is upnp to actually work properly	00:14
Arif_	Orb does	00:15
Arif_	so it works ;p	00:15
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Arif_	and gaming on the N900 is impossible without a BT controller ;(	00:15
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nid0	95% of my media wont stream properly through the n900 since 1.1, get audio fine but video just jams at the first frame	00:15
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dmj7261	heh, why's that?	00:16
lcuk	nid0, you looked for bugs filed?	00:16
lcuk	i noticed some video got better after updates came out	00:16
nid0	yeh its filed and listed as fixed, but gotta wait for x till we see the fix :(	00:16
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yigal	well I'm waiting a little bit for either a price drop in n900 or another device, I imagine neither is likely in the next 6 months but one never knows	00:17
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toggles_w	n1000 should be out in 6 months	00:18
* Arif_ 'll buy that too probably :P		00:19
yigal	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35529	00:20
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Arif_	pff	00:21
Arif_	512MB	00:21
yigal	or, http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o304/swpb/Untitled-2.jpg	00:22
toggles_w	lol	00:22
dmj7261	also fills the role of pet and food	00:22
dmj7261	for further convergence	00:23
yigal	rofl	00:23
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yigal	what I've learned is that I will never again buy an Android device that isn't fully capable with an install of Ubuntu or the like	00:27
yigal	I wish I hadn't had to learn this the hard way	00:28
Arif_	and why is that!	00:28
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Arif_	everyone knows Android is teh winz ;(	00:28
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dassu	I personally Dont like the fact that android only supports java	00:29
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yigal	yes, that's one sucky feature	00:30
Arif_	I don't like the fact it can't do such a simple task as streaming video	00:32
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nid0	I do like the fact that one or two popular android phones sport gorilla glass, which might help get it into the mainstream	00:33
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Arif_	it does whatnow	00:34
yigal	protective layer	00:34
midas	gorilla glass? whats that	00:34
yigal	http://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/index.aspx	00:34
nid0	glass thats chemically treated	00:34
nid0	basically scratch, shatter, break, and everything-proof	00:35
Arif_	break proof	00:35
Arif_	doubt it	00:35
Arif_	;)	00:35
nid0	http://www.corning.com/uploadedFiles/Corporate/Gorilla_Glass/Assets/Video/Gorilla%20Glass_300k.wmv	00:35
nid0	take a look	00:35
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Arif_	:O	00:36
Arif_	hmm	00:36
Arif_	do want	00:36
midas	gonna watch. on mah n900!	00:36
Arif_	you should watch it on Android!	00:37
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Arif_	.....oh wait	00:37
midas	i could	00:37
Arif_	o rly	00:37
midas	yrly	00:37
Arif_	I hear android only supports mp4 ={	00:37
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midas	tssh	00:37
yigal	Arif_: exactly, that's another reason why it sucks	00:38
dmj7261	and h.264 and theora, right?	00:38
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yigal	dmj7261: for music	00:38
yigal	but mp4 video .	00:38
yigal	unless I'm mistaken, hopefully I am	00:38
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yigal	why does Android suck soo much, I'll be quiet for a while now	00:39
dmj7261	I'm probably the mistaken one. I just assumed it must support those	00:39
Arif_	not what I tried in the store	00:39
Arif_	:p	00:39
yigal	dmj7261: it does support theora music, I listen to mostly ogg in my music player	00:39
dmj7261	you mean flac?	00:39
yigal	g1 that is on the way to school	00:39
Arif_	ogg?	00:39
Arif_	who uses that :P	00:39
yigal	Arif_: I know, I know :(	00:40
midas	too bad my nokia carkit doesnt support my n900	00:40
nid0	doesnt support it how?	00:40
SpeedEvil	there is a USB-carkit standard	00:40
Arif_	everyone rips music in mp3	00:40
Arif_	:<	00:40
Arif_	or flac sometimes	00:40
dmj7261	flac :)	00:41
lcuk	wma	00:41
Arif_	real audio	00:41
dmj7261	cringe	00:41
lcuk	wav	00:41
Arif_	midi?	00:41
lcuk	ideal	00:42
* dmj7261 has gigabytes of .wav music		00:42
nid0	clearly bitmap images with the notes drawn out is the way to go	00:42
dmj7261	also .sib	00:42
lcuk	nid0, interesting compression technique	00:42
lcuk	i would prefer scans taken from clay cylinders	00:42
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ShadowJK	RST38h, added atom: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542944#post542944	00:45
ShadowJK	RST38h, per clock it's marginally faster than omap3 at OGR-NG	00:45
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* SpeedEvil listens to most music as mp2.		00:52
ds3	SpeedEvil: where are you getting all the mp2 music?	00:52
SpeedEvil	DAB radio.	00:52
ds3	AH	00:53
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SpeedEvil	I'd actually really like it if there was a way to rip it.	00:53
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Arif_	oh me too	00:53
Arif_	but I lisen to satellite radio	00:53
Arif_	:P	00:53
SpeedEvil	Simply to make a 'all in one' media device.	00:53
Arif_	which I can stream to the N900	00:53
Arif_	=	00:53
Arif_	=}	00:53
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Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Ripping DAB is pretty easy (depending on what hardware you have available). Hell, Psion's Wavefinder (RIP) even commercially supported it.	00:54
ds3	SpeedEvil: what kind of device do you use for DAB?	00:55
SpeedEvil	Jaffa: sure. Now point to one commercial DAB->PC device - other than the aforementioned wavefinder.	00:55
crashanddie_	properly wired teeth	00:55
* Arif_ hands SpeedEvil a satellite tv card		00:55
SpeedEvil	ds3: http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_oasis.htm	00:55
Arif_	there you go	00:56
Arif_	all the mp2 audio you could dream of!	00:56
SpeedEvil	DAB in the radio sense.	00:56
Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Some of the DVB-T cards might support it?	00:56
Arif_	then again	00:56
SpeedEvil	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting	00:56
SpeedEvil	Jaffa: nope	00:56
SpeedEvil	Jaffa: totally different standard than dvb-t	00:56
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Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Ho hum. Been a while since I looked TBH	00:57
Arif_	I know what DAB is =(	00:57
ds3	SpeedEvil: thought there was USB dongles that did that?	00:57
Jaffa	SpeedEvil: Indeed, thought some had dual-tuners.	00:57
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SpeedEvil	I looked moderately intensively a year or so ago, and found nothing.	00:57
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Arif_	don't you have the radio stations you want on some satellite?	00:58
SpeedEvil	Yes.	00:58
SpeedEvil	However - I want them in a little box that I can carry around.	00:58
Arif_	the N900?	00:58
ds3	USB dongle and a working N900 hostmode....	00:59
SpeedEvil	The above radio is great - waterproof, can be dropped and kicked, ...	00:59
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SpeedEvil	there are no USB DAB dongles.	00:59
Arif_	hehe	00:59
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SpeedEvil	Apart from the psion wavefinder.	00:59
Arif_	I love DVBVIewer's streaming service	00:59
Arif_	and KMPlayer :P	00:59
ShadowJK	How far down have they cut the bitrate on DAB these days?	00:59
SpeedEvil	Which uses a substantial fraction of a watt.	00:59
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: despite my contribution to the OFCOM consultation - it's 'what the market can bear'.	00:59
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: the broadcasters can put whatever bitrate tehy like out.	01:00
* SpeedEvil checks.		01:00
Arif_	ShadowJK, if they don't transcode it from sat source it's usually between 256-384	01:00
SpeedEvil	Arif_: you're not in the UK are you.	01:00
Arif_	well, that's what Turkish channels usually broadcast at	01:00
ShadowJK	I'd assume they get it from the radio station	01:00
Arif_	most radio stations use satellite as their terrestrial source	01:01
Arif_	maybe it's different in the Uk and I'm just talking nonsense	01:01
Arif_	;(	01:01
ShadowJK	Well in UK "Radio Station" probably means one nation-wide channel, which has the same content throughout the entire nation, broadcasting over AM, FM, Cable, DAB, DVB-T and Internet	01:01
SpeedEvil	radio 1 - 128k radio 2 - 128k radio 3 192k, radio 4 128k, radio 5 live - 80k mono. radio 7 80k mono	01:02
Arif_	80k mono?	01:02
Arif_	sweet	01:02
ShadowJK	The radio 5 live podcast is 64k mp3 iirc	01:02
SpeedEvil	bbc scotland 128k. bbc worldservice 64k mono, classic FM 160K	01:03
SpeedEvil	...	01:03
SpeedEvil	80K mp2	01:03
ShadowJK	:)	01:03
SpeedEvil	it's not as good as mp3 - it doesn't have the perceptual shizzle.	01:03
SpeedEvil	IIRC	01:03
ShadowJK	Well	01:03
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ShadowJK	It depends on the encoder	01:03
SpeedEvil	to a degree.	01:04
SpeedEvil	Hmm. 112K several music stations.	01:04
Arif_	wow	01:05
Arif_	the Turks have better streams than the Brits!	01:05
Arif_	never thought I'd see that...	01:05
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SpeedEvil	28 channels - of which maybe 20 are worse quality than FM	01:06
SpeedEvil	(with a good signal)	01:06
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SpeedEvil	OTOH - I get a error-free signal on the inbuilyt 15cm whip	01:07
Arif_	so why did they go to DAB anyway	01:07
SpeedEvil	More channels.	01:07
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SpeedEvil	And the encoding was locked in a couple of years too early perhaps.	01:07
Arif_	they couldn't fit 28 channels in FM?	01:07
SpeedEvil	that is 28 channels nationwide.	01:07
SpeedEvil	or >that	01:07
SpeedEvil	and no, you can't.	01:07
SpeedEvil	not and have them recievable everywhere	01:08
SpeedEvil	DAB supports single frequency networks.	01:08
SpeedEvil	Which means that you can broadcast a multiplex over large regions using multiple transmitters on the same frequency.	01:08
SpeedEvil	Try doing that on FM, and you get a complete mess.	01:08
Arif_	if you start at 87.5 and send in steps of 0.3 you get quite a few channels :P	01:09
SpeedEvil	Yes, however - in an isolated spot.	01:09
ShadowJK	BBC was doing it on AM, multiple transmitters far away, with phase alignment compensated so that the signal would stay together roughly inside the UK	01:10
SpeedEvil	If you want to be able to continuously recieve a station over a wide area, you need many frequencies for each single station.	01:10
SpeedEvil	(on FM)	01:10
SpeedEvil	On AM/LW - there is some more latitude.	01:10
ShadowJK	Yeah, at any time I can hear the same channel on maybe 3 - 5 frequencies.. Thank god for RDS, automatically picking the frequency with strongest signal for the channel I want	01:10
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Arif_	hmm, I didn't know the advantage of that :)	01:11
* Arif_ waits for cellphones to add DAB		01:11
SpeedEvil	Gonna be a while.	01:12
SpeedEvil	DAB uses _LOTS_ more power than FM radio reciever.	01:12
ShadowJK	"TooLAME utilizes the highly tuned psychoacoustic model developed for LAME, but applied to MP2 audio encoding, instead."	01:12
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: hmm	01:12
ShadowJK	Sadly we're likely to see DVB-H in cellphones before DAB I think	01:12
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SpeedEvil	My DAB radio has 13h battery life.	01:12
Arif_	DVBH sucks	01:13
Arif_	=p	01:13
Arif_	no one uses it	01:13
SpeedEvil	To do this it has something resembling a laptop battery inside.	01:13
SpeedEvil	Well - a netbook.	01:13
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SpeedEvil	4*18650	01:13
nid0	battery technology desperately needs to take a huge leap forward :<	01:13
Arif_	yes	01:13
Arif_	I demand 5 week usage from the N900	01:14
SpeedEvil	I constructed an internal generator for my laptop.	01:14
Arif_	hmm	01:14
* Arif_ thinks internet streaming will be more widespread than DVBH/DAB now most cars have a sim slot		01:14
SpeedEvil	In a secondary battery bay using http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COX-Babe-Bee-049-Model-Aircraft-Glow-Engine-New-InBox_W0QQitemZ380208961303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN?hash=item5886385717 and a small motor as a generator	01:14
ds3	consider moving into a large hamster wheel?	01:14
SpeedEvil	Arif_: the 3g networks really, really can't cope with audio streamed to every car.	01:15
Arif_	not yet	01:15
SpeedEvil	Arif_: broadcast is spectrally efficient.	01:15
SpeedEvil	As you can have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people listening to one broadcast.	01:15
Arif_	I prefer 3G though, removes the region barrier	01:15
Arif_	Me as a Turk living in Dutchland prefers Turkish radio stations :p	01:16
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SpeedEvil	And 3G is nowhere near covered enough in most countries to do drop-out-free radio.	01:16
Arif_	that's true	01:16
Arif_	that's why they need to develop it	01:17
ds3	wonder if the vatican has complete country coverage for 3G	01:17
Arif_	instead of DAB =P	01:17
Arif_	do they even have 3G?	01:17
nid0	where's the cell operators' incentive to spend billions and billions on massive (in several orders of magnitude) improvements to 3g coverage and capacity just to replace broadcast?	01:18
Arif_	so they can remove 2G?	01:18
Arif_	;(	01:18
Arif_	and I can be entertained :P	01:18
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ShadowJK	SpeedEvil, do you have a video of your internal laptop generator in actioN?	01:21
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SpeedEvil	no.	01:22
SpeedEvil	I never actually used it slid into the laptop.	01:22
SpeedEvil	Owing to the should-have-been-forseeable mist of castor oil.	01:23
SpeedEvil	And no digital camera.	01:23
SpeedEvil	It was ~1998	01:23
ShadowJK	need a cleaner engine	01:23
nid0	gas microturbine	01:23
nid0	and earplugs.	01:23
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ShadowJK	those RC turbines are wicked :-)	01:25
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* ShadowJK can spend hours watching remote controlled helicopter and jet models on youtube :-)		01:27
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* SpeedEvil needs to get his UAV built.		01:27
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, easier to buy one?	01:27
SpeedEvil	Climb optimised thrust-vectoring helicopter with a 4Km or so ceiling in a 1Kg package.	01:27
fnordianslip	SpeedEvil: got a link for that?	01:29
lcuk	SpeedEvil, "climb optimised" its not exactly going to be submersible is it	01:29
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SpeedEvil	fnordianslip: no. It's not built yet.	01:29
lcuk	i think every helicopter can be describer as climb optimised	01:29
ShadowJK	thrust vectoring helicopter? wtf :)	01:29
SpeedEvil	lcuk: nope.	01:30
lcuk	otherwise, they are known by their common name	01:30
lcuk	fans	01:30
fnordianslip	ducted fan?	01:30
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ShadowJK	lcuk, actually helicopters are less like fans and more like rotating wings	01:30
SpeedEvil	lcuk: It is very inefficient at hover. - compared to a 'normal' design of helicopter.	01:30
* lcuk has a helicopter		01:30
* Arif_ doesn't		01:30
ShadowJK	lcuk, at their full load most helicopters would struggle to hover more than a few metres off ground :-)	01:30
SpeedEvil	lcuk: as the diameter of the rotor is perhaps a third or a quarter of what you'd want for a helicopter.	01:30
MrGoose	lcuk: the cheepo kind?	01:30
lcuk	i want an quadrocopter thingie	01:30
SpeedEvil	lcuk: It's designed to go up at ~15-20MPH	01:31
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lcuk	MrGoose, indoor model but fully controllable whatever its called	01:31
fnordianslip	i wrote some code that had to control some fans. one wouldn't turn off when it should. eventually i discovered that it was off, but it was air coupled to to the other one, which was spinning it round. spent ages looking for that bug ;(	01:31
lcuk	a twister bell	01:31
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ShadowJK	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtsA4A0tL04 <- When you have too much cargo to climb out of ground effect vertically, this is what you have to do ;-)	01:31
SpeedEvil	lcuk: Total power is ~800W in a 1Kg object.	01:32
* lcuk wants a decent hexapod too		01:33
lcuk	flying things break too easily	01:33
lcuk	especially indoors	01:33
lcuk	hexapod == crabby awesomeness	01:33
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: Fucking insane.	01:33
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lcuk	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-5D_1US-BY	01:34
fnordianslip	anything would be better than this: http://www.damninteresting.com/operation-acoustic-kitty	01:34
ShadowJK	Ground effect gives extra lift near ground for him to tilt forward and gain speed, the extra speed gives extra lift and he can climb :)	01:34
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: yeah - I get how it works.	01:34
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: it makes sense to do it that way.	01:34
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: but you know the guy that worked it out got a strange look.	01:35
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, lol, I was wondering about that too.	01:35
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SpeedEvil	I suppose you absolutely want lots of pressure on the nosewheel - as really, really bad things will happen if it skids.	01:38
SpeedEvil	So the massive tilt angle probably makes it safer as long as you keep it away from the ground.	01:38
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pupnik_	ever try landing a light plane in a strong crosswind?	01:39
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SpeedEvil	Not IRL.	01:40
ShadowJK	SpeedEvil, eh dunno, in the simulator the more load I have on the front wheel the harder it's to not fall over to either side	01:40
SpeedEvil	ShadowJK: remember IRL you've got steering on the nosewheel	01:41
ShadowJK	I think i'd want it to caster..	01:41
ShadowJK	or rather, I think I'd throw out the fattest passenger	01:41
SpeedEvil	I think I'd want lots of control authority in the face of gusts.	01:42
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SpeedEvil	And the nosewheel may give that	01:42
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nid0	i think i'd just take a plane.	01:44
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ShadowJK	bah, fixed-wing aircraft are no fun :D	01:46
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GeneralAntilles	Hehe	01:46
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thesov	hey does anyone know how to prevent gprs0 from disconnecting when switching to wlan?	01:46
ds3	wingless aircraft is more interesting	01:46
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thesov	basically i want the data connection to always be live and i want it to just switch routes when wlan0 is engaged	01:49
GeneralAntilles	ds3, I think they call those rockets.	01:50
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ds3	GA: I prefer the nonpowered version... say a catapult or a trebuchet ;)	01:51
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GeneralAntilles	Ah, trebuchets	01:51
GeneralAntilles	Built one once	01:51
ds3	did the sherrif show up?	01:51
GeneralAntilles	Thankfully, no.	01:52
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Jaffa	GeneralAntilles: Seen the Scrapheap Challenge (or "Junkyard Wars") where the farmers from Gloucester built a trebuchet to fling a Mini?	01:57
Jaffa	It must be on YouTube. Fantastic stuff.	01:57
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embedded	hi all	01:59
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rzr	itt is going nowhere ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=543529 ;)	02:03
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Arif_	has anyone tried a Wii classic controller on the N900?	02:13
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Xisdibik	I thought that one was corded	02:13
Arif_	no	02:14
Arif_	you poke it into the wiimote	02:14
Arif_	or a PS3 controller	02:14
Arif_	I want to control the emulators with real keys :p	02:14
Xisdibik	as do i	02:14
Xisdibik	i dont have a wii classic controller	02:14
Arif_	the wiimote itself doesn't have enough buttons for GBA/SNES	02:15
Xisdibik	yep	02:15
Xisdibik	anything beyond a NES/GB	02:15
Arif_	I read on the forum something about PS3 controller on the N900	02:15
Arif_	but I'm not sure ;(	02:15
ptl	some youtube videos have some information on it	02:15
Xisdibik	id would be pretty cool	02:15
Arif_	I just tried mariokart advance	02:16
Arif_	and the sound is terrible :D	02:16
Xisdibik	because its coming from phone speakers? or because its bad from the emulator :P	02:16
Arif_	it's bad from the emulator	02:17
Arif_	it sounds.....distorted	02:17
Arif_	maybe the FPS is too low	02:17
* Arif_ wonders if that's increasable		02:17
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pupnik_	ibuprofen and two beers are brilliant for this condition :)	02:17
pupnik_	is that drnoksnes Arif_ ?	02:17
zerojay	Using any Wii controllers results in quite a lot of lag between your button presses and when the emulator receives them, by the way.	02:18
Arif_	no	02:18
Arif_	VGBA	02:18
zerojay	Arif_: So have fun running off of cliffs in Mario. :)	02:18
pupnik_	vgba cant do full speed sound	02:18
Arif_	oh	02:18
Arif_	do you think it'll be possible in the future?	02:18
Arif_	zerojay, I'll try a PS3 controller sometime then!	02:18
* Arif_ installs drnoksnes		02:19
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Xisdibik	zerojay: wii controllers specifically? or all wifi controllers?	02:21
Arif_	Wii controller isn't wifi	02:22
Xisdibik	wifi as in wireless :P	02:22
Arif_	:p	02:22
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Xisdibik	heya kimitake_idle and javispedro: how are you two today?	02:22
javispedro	I am trying to take over a garage project, and you?	02:22
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Xisdibik	gettin over a cold :/ but its finally going away	02:24
pupnik_	what is so wondrful about a project in garage	02:24
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javispedro	bugzilla + git	02:24
javispedro	and free webserver.	02:25
Arif_	hmm	02:25
javispedro	well, some people would say garage is actually awful bugzilla + slow git, but I'm fine with it ;)	02:25
pupnik_	hmm what proj?	02:25
javispedro	dosbox	02:25
Arif_	it takes long to update extras devel	02:25
Arif_	:D	02:25
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javispedro	was finally torpedoed because of missing bugzilla	02:25
pupnik_	you should be a project member	02:26
javispedro	yes, but I've been emailing the owner for months now to no avail.	02:26
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pupnik_	who?	02:27
javispedro	https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=515	02:27
pupnik_	waiting...	02:28
javispedro	heh	02:28
javispedro	either way: tracker empty, repo empty, lists empty, etc.	02:28
javispedro	I would at least put the repo to use, that must account to something :)	02:29
sivang	so I tried the tracker -r thing	02:29
sivang	and till no go ad identifying ogg/oga media from the media player	02:29
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pupnik_	yeah well javispedro garage is still unresponsive here. reminds me of why it is no fun	02:29
javispedro	pupnik: it's weird -- since I've posted that link I've clicked through 10 links	02:30
sobczyk_	is there a way to precache openstreetmaps in maeps/maemo mapper/map buddy without using the app/	02:30
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* Arif_ would really appreciate a changelog when updating		02:30
javispedro	there's now a changelog snippet in the -testing/QA page	02:33
javispedro	I like it	02:33
pupnik_	javispedro: i have never seen that dosbox maintainer do anything or even chat	02:33
javispedro	pupnik: I don't mind that, I'm not a perfect maintainer either, and "email accounts get lost" sometimes.	02:34
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javispedro	but there has to be a policy for takeover/removal/etc	02:34
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pupnik_	just tell garage maintainer	02:35
lcuk	so dosbox is just an empty stub account	02:35
pupnik_	or make a javisbox account	02:35
pupnik_	/account/project	02:35
javispedro	:) I could even ignore garage and make a gitorius project and request the b.m.o component	02:36
lcuk	javispedro, that wouldnt be so bad :)	02:36
pupnik_	yeah. who is the go-to guy for this.. x-fade?	02:36
Xisdibik	what ever you do javispedro we want some better dosboxsexyness	02:36
Xisdibik	;)	02:36
javispedro	Guess so, though I'm pondering wheter to send it to -devel (to fix it this time) or -community (to discuss a new policy)	02:37
pupnik_	avoid work	02:37
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javispedro	hey, that's my hobby! :D	02:37
pupnik_	and my life	02:38
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Arif_	oh wow	02:39
Arif_	who came up with the default drnoksnes key layout :D	02:39
javispedro	me...	02:39
Xisdibik	that pedro guy did	02:39
Arif_	that's some funky key mapping you thought of	02:40
Arif_	=(	02:40
Arif_	=)	02:40
Xisdibik	=()	02:40
javispedro	but that's why you got remappable layouts even before I putted in a default layout.	02:40
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Arif_	I'm trying to figure out what the logic is	02:40
Arif_	:p	02:40
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javispedro	hint: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg	02:41
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Arif_	oo	02:41
Arif_	a dpad	02:41
Arif_	that'd be great...	02:41
javispedro	the issue with dosbox is that it's just hard.	02:43
javispedro	there's a reason there's that long faq on their site, and the maemo version is no different.	02:44
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javispedro	if only ukki would come back with his frontend... ;)	02:45
Xisdibik	javispedro: is all your n900 work done with a N810, or do u have a n900 also? ;)	02:45
javispedro	my n900 is broken atm.	02:45
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Xisdibik	:o	02:45
Xisdibik	what did u do!	02:45
Arif_	wow	02:46
Arif_	drnoksnes works great	02:46
corecode	what's the opinion on maemo-sdk+?	02:46
Arif_	=D	02:46
Arif_	at least with mario all stars+world	02:46
javispedro	should reach a sane 40fps or the like	02:46
Arif_	the sound works fine at least	02:47
javispedro	it's not perfect either.	02:47
Arif_	VGBA was too bad to listen to :p	02:47
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javispedro	since it's not the bottleneck i'm considering putting back all the missing stuff to get a bit higher quality.	02:47
sobczyk_	is there picasa support in maemo like flickr?	02:47
* Arif_ goes to get more SNES roms		02:48
antii	Arif_: got any funones? :P	02:48
Arif_	wha?	02:48
Arif_	:p	02:48
antii	SNES roms :p	02:48
Arif_	I found an RS link with a few if you want	02:48
antii	sure	02:48
antii	whats the name of the app? :P	02:48
javispedro	this is NOT the channel to do that	02:49
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Xisdibik	hey javispedro is your snes emulator optified just curious	02:56
javispedro	it is.	02:56
Xisdibik	coo	02:57
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javispedro	ah, zeemote stuff in diablo repos is broken :(	03:00
javispedro	I finally commited the zeemote patch into drnoksnes MAIN branch, but I'm still not sure about forcefully depending on zeemote stuff.	03:00
javispedro	and also wheter just doing it in another process, wiimote style, would be better.	03:01
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Xisdibik	javispedro: dunno :/	03:06
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dracflamloc	how can i get my n900s wlan IP? ifconfig isnt there	03:07
Xisdibik	I believe there is an app, not sure which repo its in	03:08
sar3th	dracflamloc: /sbin/ifconfig	03:08
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dracflamloc	oh nice	03:09
sar3th	=)	03:10
sar3th	at last, suse thought me something ;)	03:10
dracflamloc	hm	03:10
dracflamloc	ok	03:10
dracflamloc	maybe you guys can helkp	03:10
dracflamloc	im running a ftp server on my desktop	03:10
dracflamloc	can connect fine via wlan from my laptop	03:11
ShadowJK	ftp is pretty hard to get through firewalls	03:11
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dracflamloc	but i try the same thing with my n900 via wlan, and no luck	03:11
dracflamloc	says	03:11
dracflamloc	'no route to host'	03:11
dracflamloc	(gftp)	03:11
sar3th	dracflamloc: can you ping the machine?	03:11
dracflamloc	no firewall, all internal network	03:11
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dracflamloc	not from the n900, no	03:12
lcuk	now you can check ifconfig	03:12
sar3th	then something is wrong with your configuration...i had a problem which was a bit similar to that	03:12
lcuk	does that report correct values for your network	03:12
dracflamloc	yes, ifconfig is reporting correct values	03:13
dracflamloc	i can get out to the internet just fine	03:13
dracflamloc	just not internal IPs	03:13
lcuk	whats laptop ip, and whats n900 ip	03:14
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lcuk	and can you ping n900 from laptop	03:14
lcuk	and vice versa	03:14
trem	nite all, sweet dreams	03:14
Xisdibik	night trem	03:14
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dracflamloc	laptop ip is 192.168.1.102	03:14
dracflamloc	desktop 192.168.1.91	03:14
dracflamloc	n900 192.168.1.22	03:14
dracflamloc	and no i cannot ping the n900 from the desktp	03:15
dracflamloc	but the laptop and desktop can ping each other	03:15
sar3th	maybe something is wrong with the routes on your n900, as it was with mine	03:15
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lcuk	can you change them?	03:15
* lcuk only uses gui		03:15
dracflamloc	how did you fix it	03:15
sar3th	i had a bad /etc/resolv.conf	03:16
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sar3th	i added nameserver 192.168.0.1 (my router) to that	03:16
sar3th	after that, everything was fine	03:16
dracflamloc	oh yea	03:16
dracflamloc	wtf	03:16
dracflamloc	nameserver 127.0.0.1	03:16
Xisdibik	thats the default	03:17
sar3th	i left that one in	03:17
lcuk	but were you pinging ips	03:17
* lcuk beds too		03:17
dracflamloc	yes i was pinging Ips	03:18
lcuk	gnite guys, good luck sorting it drac	03:18
dracflamloc	tx	03:18
sar3th	hm then the nameserver shouldn't be the problem actually	03:19
dracflamloc	all it had was the 127 entry	03:19
sar3th	it must be your router/access point dracflamloc	03:19
sar3th	i can ping my n900 just fine	03:19
sar3th	maybe you're mixing lan and wlan clients?	03:20
sar3th	or communication between endpoints is disabled?	03:20
dracflamloc	between just these two things on my network?	03:20
sar3th	well, how are your clients connected?	03:21
sar3th	lan?	03:21
Xisdibik	drac did you try adding it 192.168.0.1?	03:21
Xisdibik	like sar3th did	03:21
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dracflamloc	about to	03:22
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dracflamloc	didnt help	03:23
dracflamloc	im not surprised since the nameserver really shouldnt affect direct ip connect	03:23
sar3th	yeah	03:23
sar3th	i tried to ping some internet adress	03:23
sar3th	that was different	03:23
sar3th	well, how are your clients connected?	03:24
dracflamloc	yea i can ping google.com	03:24
dracflamloc	my desktop is wired	03:24
dracflamloc	n900 wireless	03:24
dracflamloc	laptop is wireless	03:24
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dracflamloc	this makes no sense	03:25
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dracflamloc	ok	03:26
dracflamloc	pinging the n900 right from my router works	03:26
dracflamloc	but not from my desktp	03:26
dracflamloc	and my n900 can ping the router	03:27
antii	:o	03:27
cehteh	haha	03:27
cehteh	dracflamloc: i had exactly the same problem some time ago to	03:27
dracflamloc	any idea how to fix?	03:28
cehteh	it was a wireless setting on my crappy dlink AP "[x] client security"	03:28
cehteh	that prevents that any connected client sees each other	03:28
dracflamloc	hm	03:28
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dracflamloc	but see my laptop and desktop can see each otehr	03:28
cehteh	both are wireless?	03:28
dracflamloc	desktop wired, laptop wireless, n900 wireless	03:29
cehteh	exactly like me	03:29
cehteh	the wireless device dont see each other with that setting	03:29
cehteh	prolly you have some other device but maybe there is some similar setting	03:29
SWFu64	wireless isolation	03:29
SWFu64	it's called	03:29
cehteh	depends on vendor	03:29
dracflamloc	the desktop cant see the n900, but can see the laptop. you think thats the issue?	03:30
cehteh	eh no	03:30
cehteh	well powersaving may be? (me just peeking in here)	03:30
cehteh	play some webradio or ping something from the n900 to put the wireless into active state	03:31
cehteh	thats another problem there .. if powersaving is enabled the n900 doesnt see incoming traffic	03:31
dracflamloc	the n900 cant ping the desktop either. its like the n900 has no knowledge of the internal network except for the router itself	03:31
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cehteh	then some wrong config?	03:32
Scelt	dracflamloc: wired ones can't see wireless ones and vice versa. it's the wireless isolation. check out your router configuration	03:32
sar3th	dracflamloc: check your access point config	03:32
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dracflamloc	im looking right now	03:32
dracflamloc	not seeing anything like that	03:32
cehteh	configured by dhcp?	03:32
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dracflamloc	tried both	03:32
dracflamloc	ah	03:33
dracflamloc	my router calls it	03:33
dracflamloc	privacy separator	03:33
dracflamloc	however	03:33
dracflamloc	its already disabled	03:33
cehteh	check netmasks and networks	03:33
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cehteh	its a router or a bridge?	03:33
dracflamloc	router	03:34
cehteh	well the ports on its back and the wlan interface are prolly bridged / switched	03:34
cehteh	this soho 'routers' are rather switches which only one routed port, thats the dsl or whatever internet connection you have	03:35
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cehteh	routing only works across networks not within the same networks (unless you setup host routes)	03:36
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dracflamloc	well, the ifconfig -a shows exactly the same thing on laptop, desktop, and n900 (except last ip digit of course)	03:37
dracflamloc	this is really weird	03:37
dracflamloc	im no fool when it comes to networking... i really dont get why i cant do this	03:37
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cehteh	well something is wrong configured	03:38
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cehteh	there are many things which can make this fail	03:38
dracflamloc	why would it only affect the n900 then	03:39
dracflamloc	i guess something is configged wrong on the n900	03:39
dracflamloc	but i dont have a clue what	03:39
cehteh	dunno how/what you tested yet	03:39
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cehteh	disable powersaving while testing	03:39
cehteh	thats incompatible with some routers	03:39
dracflamloc	i can ping my wired desktop, from my wireless laptop, and vice versa	03:39
sar3th	o_O	03:40
dracflamloc	but cant get to my n900, or out from my n900	03:40
cehteh	so, its not connected to your net	03:40
cehteh	hint: did you set MAC filters on your wlan?	03:40
dracflamloc	then how is it able to ping the router?	03:40
dracflamloc	no, no filters	03:40
cehteh	ah	03:40
cehteh	ok whats the routers IP, whats the desktops ip whats the laptops ip ... with netmask each	03:41
dracflamloc	netmask for all is 255.255.255.0	03:41
dracflamloc	router: 192.168.1.1	03:41
dracflamloc	desktop: 192.168.1.91	03:41
dracflamloc	n900: 192.168.1.22	03:41
dracflamloc	laptop: 192.168.1.102	03:42
cehteh	if it gets too the router this means the router doesnt forward the packet .. so its likely a misconfiguration on the router	03:42
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cehteh	some filter rule? or firewall on the desktop or laptop? can the laptop ping each other?	03:43
dracflamloc	this is pretty much the most insecure network setup you can have, minus WEP	03:44
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dracflamloc	no firewalls, filters, etc	03:44
cehteh	still something wrong :P	03:44
dracflamloc	obviously =P	03:45
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* cehteh goes on .. i am reconfiguring my network for vpn too, putting the wlan into its own segment and have some problem too .. grr :P		03:45
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ds3	network for vpn? does that also require a new kernel like the iptables stuff?	03:45
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cehteh	nope	03:46
cehteh	but my router has 3 network cards and one pretends its dead	03:46
cehteh	(router here means full pc)	03:47
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cehteh	.. cleaning the port with a cotton swab worked :P	03:51
dracflamloc	rofl	03:52
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cehteh	ok .. reconfiguring wlan .. brb (i hope)	03:54
cehteh	mhm .. no not yet .. vpn test :P	03:54
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dracflamloc	ok	04:00
dracflamloc	uh	04:00
dracflamloc	my n900 can ping my other desktop, which is on wireless	04:00
dracflamloc	so wtf is up with my n900 not pinging my wired desktop	04:01
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acidjazz	you have a trial version of ping	04:02
acidjazz	that limits to certain machinse	04:02
dracflamloc	crap	04:02
dracflamloc	i knew it	04:02
sar3th	dracflamloc: rather WTF is up with your wired desktop failing to communicate with the n900 >_>	04:02
sar3th	dracflamloc: what?	04:02
dracflamloc	oh i was responding to acid	04:03
dracflamloc	yea so what IS with my desktop	04:03
dracflamloc	its running ubuntu 9.10	04:03
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sar3th	LOL acidjazz	04:07
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dracflamloc	yea wtf	04:09
dracflamloc	this is pissing me off	04:10
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cehteh	the error is likely on your side	04:10
dracflamloc	im sure	04:10
dracflamloc	still doesnt make sense	04:10
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Texrat	sup	04:17
Texrat	is jaffa here?	04:17
Xisdibik	im going to venture a guess that hes around but not actively paying attention to this channel at least ;)	04:20
dracflamloc	how would i get the ovi maps map loader to workin linux	04:20
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Xisdibik	dracflamloc: i only see it saying it works for windows / mac osx	04:22
dracflamloc	well thats poop	04:23
dracflamloc	a linux device with software that doesnt support linux	04:23
Xisdibik	well it comes preinstalled :P	04:23
dracflamloc	not all the map data	04:23
dracflamloc	if i were to use this as a gps, it'd have to be connected the whole time to download the maps	04:24
Xisdibik	do you not have access to a windows machine/	04:24
dracflamloc	not at home. i could download it at work i suppose	04:24
dracflamloc	i wonder if it works with wine	04:24
Xisdibik	wine is a possibility, dunno	04:25
Xisdibik	and as for not at home, is it because u dont have a windows CD, or u dont have it installed anywhere	04:26
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dracflamloc	i do not own a windows license	04:26
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dracflamloc	besides that	04:26
dracflamloc	its just dumb in my opinion to make a linux device but not support the desktop equivalent os	04:26
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Xisdibik	my guess is if it doesnt, it doesnt for a reason, i just dont know the answer	04:29
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sar3th	dracflamloc: which map software do you mean?	04:31
sar3th	can you linky pls?	04:31
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dracflamloc	i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm	04:32
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dracflamloc	i still just dont get the whole desktop issue im having	04:32
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maher_	anyone familiar with the python alarm bindings? how do i actually enumerate currently existing alarms?	04:37
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Xisdibik	sar3th: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/	04:40
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Xisdibik	dont ask why its on europe lol	04:40
sar3th	thanks Xisdibik	04:41
sar3th	looks good :D	04:41
Xisdibik	minus being on europe :P	04:41
sar3th	now the only thing i miss is a voice navigator in there	04:41
Xisdibik	voice navigator would be nice	04:42
Xisdibik	though i dont think id use it a huge huge amount	04:42
sar3th	i like the offline maps now :D	04:42
maher_	what do you do if you don't have windows or mac?	04:42
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Xisdibik	maher_: get a windows or mac? ;)	04:43
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b-man17	use linux	04:43
b-man17	lol	04:43
Xisdibik	if you got a n900, you can probably afford another computer as well :P	04:43
maher_	i mean can i use the map loader thingy from linux?	04:43
b-man17	hey penguinb8 :)	04:43
sar3th	maher_: no	04:44
maher_	Xisdibik: i have many computers, they all run linux	04:44
sar3th	but read dracflamloc's last link	04:44
sar3th	:P	04:44
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Xisdibik	sar3th: he joined after	04:44
sar3th	oh	04:44
Xisdibik	[18:32] <dracflamloc> i found a non-os dependant install method here: http://diabo.freehostia.com/symbian/indexmaps.htm	04:44
sar3th	i really love the fact that the maps are free	04:45
b-man17	penguinb8: how is the trial N900? :)	04:45
maher_	Xisdibik: cool - thanks	04:45
Xisdibik	sar3th: not a big issue for me, considering if i ever wanted a map, i could get one from AAA for free cuz my moms a member	04:45
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sar3th	cool Xisdibik	04:46
sar3th	that doesn't apply to me	04:46
sar3th	and now that i don't need to stream the maps from the internet anymore, i'll use the maps app more often :D	04:47
maher_	will the ovi maps 3.0 maps work with the maps 1.0 on the n900?	04:47
sar3th	just for the sake of it being free	04:47
sar3th	maher_: i think so	04:47
maher_	doh - sorry i just saw the link to the older maps - it was small type	04:47
sar3th	does the n900 really use maps 1.0??	04:48
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maher_	sar3th: ahem - 1.01	04:50
sar3th	given the fact that the loading screen displays a link to maps.ovi.com, i doubt that	04:52
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maher_	sar3th: ok - if i can get a newer maps for my n900 just let me know how	04:53
sar3th	maher_: i don't think the maps app is out-of-date, but that it uses a newer maps file format	04:54
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maher_	does anyone know which maps version the n900 maps wants? I'm downloading a 1.0 map atm so will find out at some point	04:55
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sar3th	maher_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38872	05:04
Dantonic	hey	05:05
cehteh	ping	05:05
cehteh	ok vpn works	05:06
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daniieeeell	ñl	05:13
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ShadowJK	The maps version numbers aren't comparable	05:15
daniieeeell	!corazon	05:15
ShadowJK	Ovi Maps on S60, Ovi Maps on Web, and Ovi Maps on Maemo are 3 different pieces of software with the same name	05:15
ShadowJK	Maemo's Ovi Maps isn't "old". It's rewrite from scratch, and the first version was called 1.0	05:16
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sar3th	ovi maps 3 format seems to work with maemo maps 1	05:16
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maher_	i want teh big number version!!!!!!!	05:16
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ShadowJK	Rewrite is probaly easier than to port stuff from Symbian.	05:17
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sar3th	now, the only problem is, you cannot search places in offline mode D=	05:17
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Dantonic	hi anyone know if I can use wake on lan from my N900?	05:20
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Texrat_	hello	05:26
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svanheulen	anyone here use qt/pyside, can help me with a quick question? #pyside is dead right now :/	05:27
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Andy80	hi	05:34
Texrat_	hey Andy80	05:35
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Andy80	hey :)	05:35
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Andy80	anyone of you knows if it's possible to create desktop widgets with qt?	05:36
Texrat_	using the UI tools, I believe so	05:37
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svanheulen	Andy80: do you use pyside by chance?	05:41
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Andy80	no I didn't mean if it's possible to design them... I asked if home widgets are supported by qt... for example: home calendar, ecc...	05:41
Andy80	yes I use pyside	05:41
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svanheulen	Andy80: awesome, can you tell me how to specify a parent when creating a widget? sorry, i tried #pyside channel but it's dead :/	05:42
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Andy80	oh I use them but I'm not expert at all :(	05:43
svanheulen	oh ok	05:43
Andy80	anyway... if I remember well...	05:43
Andy80	when you add widget B to widget A, A become the parent of B	05:44
Andy80	or try to ask in #qt too and be generic with your question :)	05:44
svanheulen	yeah but i mean like for a group box the syntax is PySide.QtGui.QGroupBox(title[, parent=0]) but i can't get anything i try pass for parent to work :(	05:45
Andy80	I mean... no need to specify you're susing python	05:45
svanheulen	heh, but i know how to do it in c++ just fine	05:45
Andy80	uhm... maybe a bug of pyside?	05:45
svanheulen	could be	05:46
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Ken-Young	I have a program I am working on in the Fremantle x86 scratchbox. The program seg faults, and core dumps. Unfortunately, when I try use the core file with gdb to locate the problem, gdb itself core dumps before I can even get a traceback. Any ideas on how I can keep gdb from core-dumping?	06:06
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openstandards	can't wait for neopwn to be released for the n900	07:22
openstandards	its going to be amazing to say the least	07:22
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kumar-klescet	hi.. i'm new in maemo development feild... anybody can help me in packaging of source code	07:27
luke-jr	kumar-klescet: Maemo is obsolete. See MeeGo.	07:30
luke-jr	Maemo and MeeGo use incompatible packages	07:30
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RST38h	"Phone randomly launches"	07:55
RST38h	Scary	07:55
DocScrutinizer	Cape Canaveral?	07:56
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DocScrutinizer	depressing	08:20
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DocScrutinizer	if OP ealized the "launch phone by turning" works only on desktop and taskswitcher, he probably would find a pattern	08:22
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trupheenix	i'm getting some weird operation failed when i try to click photos on my N900	09:18
trupheenix	anyone know what could be the problem?	09:19
adeus	do you have a memory card in the phone	09:21
pupnik	yeah photo app is broken	09:21
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trupheenix	adeus nope	09:22
trupheenix	adeus, just put in a memory card and it worked	09:22
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trupheenix	adeus, doesn't let me use internal storage	09:22
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adeus	mine had the other way round :)	09:23
adeus	after a memory card, I could only take one shot	09:23
adeus	after that "operation failed"	09:23
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pupnik	i can still take pics, they just dont all appear	09:25
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trupheenix	any good irc clilent for the N900?	09:26
MiXu-	irssi should work	09:27
trupheenix	ok	09:27
MiXu-	But I use ssh + a remote irssi	09:27
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DantonicN900	hi	09:28
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DantonicN900	how do i create an icon in the app menu?	09:28
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DantonicN900	where are they located?	09:29
pupnik	/use/share blergh	09:30
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mavhk	damn, n810 in infinite restart mode	10:07
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mavhk	can one enable RD mode via the windows flash software?	10:12
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Khertan	Hello all !	10:13
danielwilms_	morning Khertan	10:14
Stskeeps	mavhk: you can probably enable rd mode and set rd flags to no-lifeguard-reset, i think	10:14
Khertan	hello danielwilms_	10:15
Khertan	hum ... just a question about pyopengl ... did you know why it s not available on maemo5 ?	10:15
Khertan	as when i take a look to pyside opengl example it s required	10:16
Stskeeps	Khertan: cos it's opengles not opengl?	10:16
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frals	need 2 more votes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fapn/0.6-1, pretty please? ;)	10:16
danielwilms_	mavhk: are you using the flasher from here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php ??	10:16
Khertan	Stskeeps: what s the differences ?	10:17
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Stskeeps	Khertan: two different APIs, i think	10:18
Stskeeps	GL doesn't run on GLES	10:18
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danielwilms_	morning Stskeeps btw :)	10:19
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Stskeeps	morn danielwilms_ :)	10:20
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Xisdibik	evenin Stskeeps	10:22
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Sargun	Is there an easy way to tell where my N900 is in space as compared it was 10 minutes ago?	10:25
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Stskeeps	make something up with python and the liblocation wrapper?	10:26
Sargun	Stskeeps, I mean from acceleration data	10:26
Xisdibik	Sargun: is your n900 the first one in orbit? :P	10:26
Sargun	haha	10:26
Sargun	is there something that would tell me which way is up?	10:26
Stskeeps	Sargun: only with a bunch of drift	10:26
Sargun	drift is ok, as long as the general direction is correct	10:27
Xisdibik	Sargun: away from gravity. in space up is relative	10:27
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Xisdibik	your name also sux to write lol, i have to type Sarg, to tab complete it without cycling through more than 3 names lol	10:28
Sargun	what's that kind of sensor that tells you where gravity is?	10:28
Xisdibik	Sargun: the drop your n900 and see where it goes ? ;)	10:29
Sargun	Xisdibik, heh.	10:29
Xisdibik	if the n900 goes into you.. you might wanna consider a diet. if it goes to the floor, things are normal	10:30
Sargun	alternatively, I guess as long as the relative orientation of the n900 stays the same, it'll work	10:30
Xisdibik	Sargun: whats the purpose for wanting said information, just curious	10:30
Sargun	Xisdibik, I want to make a 3d graffiti app	10:31
jacekowski	nie tu	10:31
jacekowski	good morning	10:31
Xisdibik	nie tu?	10:32
Stskeeps	my comments on #3827 are embarassing to read again	10:32
Stskeeps	:P	10:32
jacekowski	nvm	10:32
jacekowski	i've pasted something accidentaly	10:32
Xisdibik	jacekowski: ah	10:32
Xisdibik	i thought u were speakings the foreign languages	10:32
Sargun	huh	10:32
jacekowski	well, that was in language different than english	10:33
Xisdibik	Sargun: a 3d graffiti app... to do what?	10:33
jacekowski	however i don't suppose foreign would be good term	10:33
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Xisdibik	foreign to me ;)	10:33
Xisdibik	what language?	10:33
Sargun	Xisdibik, make 3d graffiti on a screen	10:33
Xisdibik	Sargun: by moving your n900 around in space?	10:34
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Sargun	Xisdibik, yeah	10:34
johnx	mornin' all	10:34
Xisdibik	Sargun: seems like one would just doodle with the stylus	10:34
Xisdibik	morning johnx	10:34
Sargun	huh?	10:35
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Sargun	doodle with the stylus?	10:35
Sargun	actually 2d graffiti could be damn neat as well	10:35
Sargun	Xisdibik, but can you do it by moving, or tilting your n900?	10:35
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Xisdibik	so you want to make 3D graffiti using the n900, that seems a little more understandable then :p	10:36
Xisdibik	still seems a little hard to do, and given screen size space, would be a small graffiti	10:37
Khertan	Hum which lib exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow)	10:37
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Sargun	what are the units of acceleration?	10:38
Sargun	1000 units per something, per something?	10:38
Sargun	1000 = -9.8?	10:39
adeus	m/s^2	10:39
Sargun	adeus, no.	10:39
Sargun	gravity is 9.8 I thought	10:39
Xisdibik	The metre (or meter) per second squared is the SI derived unit of acceleration.	10:39
Sargun	http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers	10:39
Sargun	Xisdibik, but they aren't using SI units	10:39
adeus	ah context	10:39
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Xisdibik	"they"?	10:40
Sargun	Values are in mG (milli G). 1000 = 1 G	10:40
Sargun	ah.	10:40
Sargun	so (N/1000)*9.8 to get the value in meters per second per second	10:40
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Xisdibik	Sargun: who are "they"?	10:40
adeus	whoever made that api	10:40
Sargun	Xisdibik, the accelerometers	10:40
Sargun	adeus, should be shot?	10:41
Xisdibik	heh	10:41
adeus	well as we are on earth an index to G is somewhat logical	10:42
adeus	and it's cool to talk about Gs	10:43
adeus	makes you feel like a fighter pilot	10:43
Xisdibik	or astronaut	10:43
Sargun	apparently gravity here is closer to -10.0548	10:43
Xisdibik	gravity isnt constant on the earths survace btw	10:44
Xisdibik	surface*	10:44
adeus	well obviously it isn't	10:44
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Xisdibik	:p	10:44
Xisdibik	well he seemed surprised	10:44
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adeus	we aren't on a physics planet that is a perfect sphere :)	10:44
Sargun	Xisdibik, -0.2 m/s^2 is a bit much though	10:45
Sargun	So, I just tell the user to start it in the back touching the ground	10:45
Sargun	and then use the atan2 function to "guess" where the user is now?	10:45
Xisdibik	dont ask me, im not even close to a programmer :)	10:45
bilboed-tp	could someone kick Mirc out of the channel ?	10:45
Sargun	why?	10:45
Sargun	What's a good function to remove noise... hmm	10:46
Sargun	That's above me	10:46
Xisdibik	alright everyone said goodmorning, but im going to sleep, goodnight ;)	10:47
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bilboed-tp	Mirc is spamming all newcomers to this channel	10:48
Myrtti	bilboed-tp: he's been reported to the network staff too	10:48
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Sargun	bah, I have a nasty drift.	10:49
Sargun	when my n900 is at rest, it says that the acceleration in the x-direction is -0.3528	10:49
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pupnik	how does the N900 survive nasty falls onto stone?	10:50
pupnik	ad the accelerometer still works too	10:51
thresh	mine once fallen to a bike pedal from 1.5 meters	10:51
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thresh	nice mark on a screen now	10:51
pupnik	i think the cupped design helps divert energy	10:52
pupnik	and the back cover can absorb energy and fly off	10:52
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pupnik	but how does an accelerometer survive such shocks?	10:53
Sargun	dkwaopdkwaodpwakdpowa	10:53
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Sargun	the magic of MEMs	10:53
RST38h	moo all	10:53
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pupnik	moo RST38h	10:53
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Dantonic	hi sorry not sure if anyone read this before I got disconnected, I'm gonna repost:	11:01
Dantonic	how do I create an icon in usr/share/applications/hildon so that when launched it brings up the terminal and executes a command in it?	11:01
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Myrtti	♥	11:07
Dantonic	hi	11:07
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villemv	Dantonic: does doing "Terminal=true" in desktop file help?	11:11
villemv	or DantonicN900, or whomever	11:12
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pupnik	lets do an irssi camera plugin thing for instant sharing of current environment	11:18
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vallhalla81	Good morning all	11:18
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Sargun	So, I think I need to apply signal smoothing to it first, and then I can do it	11:34
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tigert	hmm	11:39
tigert	whats up with this account-plugin-haze vs telepathy-extras?	11:40
tigert	they seem to be the same thing?	11:40
tigert	same maintainer etc	11:40
tigert	which one is the real one?	11:40
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jjardon	Hello, where is the code of GTK+ libraries used in maemo?	11:42
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hrw	morning	11:42
hrw	jjardon: repository.maemo.org	11:43
Stskeeps	jjardon: maemo.gitorious.org has them	11:43
amigadave	jjardon: http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon/gtk	11:43
jjardon	thank you all	11:43
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MaceG1	Hi	11:51
MaceG1	Been a while	11:51
johnx	hallo MaceG1 :D	11:52
MaceG1	Hey johnx	11:52
johnx	I've been on sabbatical as well :)	11:52
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pupnik	http://www.moanmyip.com female voice moans your IP address	11:55
johnx	bookmarked	11:57
DantonicN900	villemv I thought it might but it did not	11:58
DantonicN900	hi johnx	11:59
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crashanddie	pupnik: moanmyos.com : "Hi OSX, you're real slick and sexy, tiger"	12:00
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crashanddie	Close, it's Snow Leopard	12:00
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johnx	hey DantonicN900	12:01
Khertan	Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?	12:03
Khertan	i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available	12:04
Khertan	i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl	12:04
Khertan	:)	12:04
Khertan	any idea ?	12:04
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DantonicN900	johnx do u know if there is a way to make an app icon created in /usr/share/applications/hildon launch the terminal executing a command? as opposed to just running the command?	12:07
johnx	maybe?	12:07
johnx	I thought I heard someone do that	12:07
villemv	DantonicN900: ok, too bad. "easy debian" does that at least	12:07
johnx	try searching talk.maemo.org for "top terminal"	12:07
Lumpio-	I can't remember if there's a parameter to launch a terminal for it, but you can always make it point to the terminal app and give it the command as a param	12:07
villemv	open a terminal, I mean, not necessarily by special desktop file	12:08
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DantonicN900	basically I was just looking for a way to create a shortcut to a command on the desktop	12:09
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DantonicN900	but if its an ssh command for example I would need the terminal open to enter a pass	12:09
villemv	htop uses dekstop file	12:10
villemv	Terminal=true	12:10
pupnik	DantonicN900: see the irssi package for an example	12:10
johnx	right. that's what I was thinking. :)	12:10
johnx	thanks villemv	12:10
DantonicN900	ah good point	12:10
DantonicN900	i tried terminal = true but it doesnt work	12:11
villemv	with uppercase T?	12:11
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spaideri	how do you convert QString * to const QString ?	12:12
mgedmin	with &?	12:14
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villemv	spaideri: no need to convert, just assign	12:15
villemv	in that direction	12:15
villemv	other direction => cont_cast	12:15
villemv	const_cast	12:15
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villemv	ah, missed the *	12:16
spaideri	jeah..	12:16
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villemv	technically you con't "convert", but just do QString foo = *bar;	12:17
villemv	why do you have a QString* anyway?	12:17
villemv	usually you have QString or QString&	12:18
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spaideri	well some else made the class and all i can get is QString * and I must use const QString	12:18
villemv	ok, have someone else fix the code and in mean time use * ;-)	12:18
DantonicN900	ya lowercase or upper case still won't work	12:19
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spaideri	QListWidgetItem accepts only const QString as text so I'm a bit stuck here :)	12:20
villemv	spaideri: pass it *crappy_pointer	12:20
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DantonicN900	ah maybe i got it	12:21
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villemv	DantonicN900: what was it?	12:24
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Shapeshifter	so I still dont get what apt is doing exactly. yestrerday I installes python2.5-qt4 which pulled in a couple of dependencies to take up 40mb of space. Today I did apt_get remove python2.5-qt4; apt-get autoremov and this removed abou 8mb of stuff. And on rootfs I still miss abot 20mb of space I still had yesterday. It also decided to remove vpnc, which I had installed by hand.	12:36
Shapeshifter	also, I suck at typing on this thing.	12:37
Shapeshifter	but still, apt does weird stuff.	12:37
tybollt	Shapeshifter: apt-get -f install	12:38
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Shapeshifter	tybollt: ?	12:38
johnx	'night all	12:38
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tybollt	Shapeshifter: apt-get autoclean	12:38
tybollt	etc	12:38
Shapeshifter	I also did that already	12:39
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mgedmin	Shapeshifter, sync	12:43
mgedmin	ubifs garbage collection is delayed	12:43
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mgedmin	space is not freed as soon as you rm files	12:43
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tybollt	Shapeshifter: you did do apt-get -f install yeah?	12:46
lupu	Shapeshifter: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb	12:47
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timeless_mbp	nice, i was just told the account for a contact i tried to called had been deleted	12:52
jacekowski	already	12:53
jacekowski	not here again	12:53
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corecode	so does the n900 have a compass or not?	12:56
corecode	seem to get conflicting information on the web	12:56
tybollt	no it does not	12:56
flux	it does not	12:56
corecode	alright	12:56
tybollt	it does have a gyro but no compass	12:57
corecode	ok	12:57
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flux	gyro?	12:57
jacekowski	corecode: no	12:57
tybollt	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope	12:57
jacekowski	gyro?	12:58
jacekowski	i've heard it has accelerometer	12:58
tybollt	jaja	12:58
flux	you mean it has acceleration sensors? because acceleration sensors are not grysoscope s	12:58
tybollt	accelerometer	12:58
corecode	did anybody manage to down/upload offline ovi maps using linux?	12:58
tybollt	olrite	12:58
tybollt	fair enough :)	12:58
tybollt	accel	12:58
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SpeedEvil	there is an accel, no gyro or compass.	13:01
tybollt	yeah	13:02
tybollt	accel not gyro	13:02
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pta0007	hi, i got the application running corretly on the emulator, how could I build it on my device? any links for instruction?	13:12
mece	pta0007, you have the SDK there?	13:12
pta0007	i test my app on ubuntu, with maemo5 sdk]	13:13
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tank-man	you want to run it on the device or build it again on the device?	13:15
tank-man	if you want to run it, just copy it to your device	13:15
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lcuk	mornin tekojo \o	13:16
pta0007	copy the executable file into the device?	13:16
tank-man	yea	13:16
pta0007	ok, i'll take a try	13:16
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cityLights2	hi	13:17
mgedmin	pta0007, note that it'll only work if you built it in the emulator's "armel" target	13:17
cityLights2	is there a file like .bashrc in busybox?	13:17
mgedmin	won't work if you've got an x86 app	13:17
cityLights2	so I can define alias	13:17
mgedmin	cityLights2, ~/.profile	13:17
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mgedmin	cityLights2, also, if you export ENV=$HOME/.ashrc in your ~/.profile, you can have an ~/.ashrc that is read by every /bin/sh, not just the login shell	13:18
pta0007	yes, that's the problem. cause I build the app with the instruction from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK	13:18
pta0007	no idea about whether i buid it with armel or x86	13:18
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Shapeshifter	tybollt: yes.	13:19
Shapeshifter	lupu: I'll try that, thanks.	13:19
mgedmin	pta0007, when you have the shell in your scratchbox, look at the prompt	13:19
mgedmin	[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] means x86	13:19
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mgedmin	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] means ARM	13:19
pta0007	ah	13:19
mgedmin	the N900 uses ARM binaries and X86 won't work	13:19
pta0007	that's right, i build with x86	13:19
mgedmin	the SDK doesn't really support ARM completely enough for debugging/running GUI apps/etc	13:19
mgedmin	so you neet to sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL to switch targets	13:20
mgedmin	then re-build	13:20
pta0007	mgedmin:ok, i'll try that	13:20
cityLights2	mgedmin: thnaks	13:21
tekojo	Morning lcuk!	13:23
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pta0007	mgedmin:when i tried to select FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, it showed: Error: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first" what's this meaning? cause I only opened one terminal	13:24
gouverneur	has anyone a almighty POWER_OFF lirc script?	13:25
mgedmin	pta0007, good question, I don't know	13:26
mgedmin	try closing that terminal	13:26
mgedmin	you can run sb-conf outside scratchbox too	13:26
pta0007	mgedmin:the same error inform showed	13:27
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gouverneur	cityLights2: you might want to use bash for terminal instead	13:27
cityLights2	how?	13:27
pta0007	shall i kill alll the processes in scratchbox first?	13:28
mgedmin	pta0007, I suppose -- but what could be running?	13:28
mgedmin	do you have the GUI up perhaps in Xephyr?	13:28
mgedmin	ah, right, that must be it	13:28
* mgedmin never bothers with Xephyr, too much hassle		13:28
mgedmin	then actually I never develop maemo apps ...	13:28
pta0007	mgedmin: I have already closed the Xephyr	13:29
gouverneur	cityLights2: well you setup your sourcing in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc create your personal $HOME/.bashrc and type bash in a terminal to test your config	13:29
pta0007	mgedmin: anyway, I should try that killallprocesses	13:29
gouverneur	cityLights2: then you may chsh	13:29
Corsac	hmhm, is pr1.2 on its way?	13:30
mgedmin	pta0007, I'm not sure closing Xephyr is enough to kill all the processes started by af-sb-init.sh start	13:30
cityLights2	min pls	13:30
mgedmin	so kill them all manually	13:30
mgedmin	or af-sb-init.sh stop, I suppose	13:30
gouverneur	cityLights2: as you seem to be n00b the command to make you bash as default is "chsh -s /bin/bash user"	13:30
mgedmin	gouverneur, I was always afraid of using chsh as I wasn't sure if it might break my n900	13:31
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mgedmin	are you actually using bash on a n900 as the default shell?	13:31
SpeedEvil	using bash as the default shell is a bad idea	13:32
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pta0007	mgedmin:haha, it works after I kill all processes, though I dont know what's running actually	13:32
gouverneur	SpeedEvil: Y	13:32
tybollt	Y	13:32
SpeedEvil	ash is very lightweight - the unique memory it uses per launch for scripts is small.	13:32
SpeedEvil	This is not the case with bash.	13:32
gouverneur	SpeedEvil: with that you dont change the /bin/sh linking	13:32
SpeedEvil	oh - using it as your user shell is different	13:33
SpeedEvil	http://www.selenic.com/smem/	13:33
SpeedEvil	anyway	13:33
SpeedEvil	get that	13:33
gouverneur	SpeedEvil: /bin/sh will remain ash (which is as I learned some days ago not ash but a modified dash)	13:33
SpeedEvil	it shows memory per process	13:33
gouverneur	SpeedEvil: I dont care about memory as all executions are done with /bin/sh... its purely the user env	13:34
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gouverneur	mgedmin: do it as root via ssh for user and try...	13:35
SpeedEvil	yes - just pointing it out as it's a useful diagnostc tool.	13:36
gouverneur	(:	13:36
SpeedEvil	rss is very, very misleading.	13:36
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gouverneur	well you do not ask free for free mem do you?	13:39
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SpeedEvil	I mean there are no standard tools that give you a good idea of how much RAM a process uses	13:42
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gouverneur	mgedmin: cityLights2 do you still need help?	13:44
pta0007	a naive question: why cant I open the phone disk while I connect it with the pc with mass mode?	13:45
gouverneur	pta0007: its not a naive its a level8 one...	13:46
cityLights2	gouverneur: no guys thnks foir now	13:46
cityLights2	mgedmin: no guys thnks foir now	13:46
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GeneralAntilles	pta0007, because you can't mount UBIFS in two locations at the same time?	13:46
gouverneur	pta0007: you cannot open with filebrowser as both the SD and your mmc3 are mounted elsewhere	13:47
GeneralAntilles	pta0007, if you mount the rootfs on your computer, how is the device going to continue running? :)	13:47
flux	pta0007, devices which provide low-level block access cannot be used by two clients at the same time, because both clients assume that the data doesn't change unless they modify it	13:47
mgedmin	GeneralAntilles, s/UBIFS/VFAT/	13:48
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, depending on how he's defining "phone disk"	13:48
mgedmin	and it's not two locations that's the problem, it's two different OSes having direct access to the raw block device	13:48
mgedmin	that's the problem	13:48
GeneralAntilles	Semantics.	13:48
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mgedmin	truth value of statements	13:49
* Stskeeps glances at danish government program		13:49
Stskeeps	"denmark the richest country in the world in 2020"	13:49
Stskeeps	they so did not write that	13:49
gouverneur	mgedmin: there are just a few FSs which support to have it mounted to two computers at the same time... and you are not even close to using them in a user env	13:49
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gouverneur	pta0007: an idea for you, setup USB networking and use fuse	13:51
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flux	just compile smbd for n900.. :-)	13:52
flux	never mind, it's already done :-o	13:52
gouverneur	flux: thats what you defn. do not need	13:53
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flux	gouverneur, well, if you have a window machine (which I don't), wouldn't that be an easy way to go?	13:53
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gouverneur	flux: I think it is about speed, so not with wifi connection, so the usb-net setup is needed anyway	13:54
flux	gouverneur, you can run it over usb-net	13:55
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gouverneur	flux: yah well but setting up smb is a pita and using winscp just works...	13:56
* mgedmin tends to use ssh for file access -- not very fast, but simple to use		13:56
gouverneur	for win at least	13:56
gouverneur	and for windows you may just use pc_suite (which did not import the SD lately)	13:56
Arif_	.me yawns	13:56
* Arif_ yawns too		13:57
RST38h	heya wazd	13:57
Arif_	I woke up early again	13:57
Arif_	:(	13:57
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gouverneur	mgedmin: not very fast is because of the wifi powermanagement, if you have nothing running but sshd connection you will notice lag, turn on webradio and it is quiet fast, for small files it wont power up for large files it does anyway	13:58
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mgedmin	gouverneur, nah, I disabled power management so I could ssh into my n900 without random pauses/drops	14:00
mgedmin	it's still not blazing fast for transferring large files	14:00
SpeedEvil	pm works well with a sane AP	14:00
mgedmin	either CPU bottlenecks because of encryption or SSH protocol inefficiencies slow things down	14:00
SpeedEvil	I getr max lags of 0.3s or so	14:00
mgedmin	google for HPN SSH to read about the latter	14:00
* mgedmin wants a sane AP		14:00
gouverneur	mgedmin: never got drops, pauses only if idle for very long	14:00
gouverneur	mgedmin: waht AP are u using it with?	14:01
mgedmin	pirelli discus or something like that	14:01
gouverneur	???	14:02
tigert	hmm	14:02
wazd	hello everyone	14:02
gouverneur	mgedmin: you are using an AP from an branched out company of a tire manuf. and are wondering about...	14:03
mgedmin	gouverneur, Pirelli Discus DRG A125G to be more specific	14:03
Stskeeps	morning wazd	14:03
* tigert wonders whats different between telepathy-extras and account-plugin-haze?		14:03
mgedmin	it's a wifi AP/router with some kind of IPTV support	14:03
GeneralAntilles	mgedmin, there were PSM fixes recently which may have helped. . . .	14:03
mgedmin	runs linux, obviously	14:03
tigert	anyone got a clue?	14:03
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tigert	same maintainer, description says its more or less the same thing	14:03
GeneralAntilles	telepathy-extras is the metapackage, no?	14:04
tigert	is it?	14:04
mgedmin	tigert, there was a blog post once about all three different MSN plugins on the N900	14:04
* GeneralAntilles thought so.		14:04
tigert	they both show up in app manager	14:04
gouverneur	SpeedEvil: yes sane APs... Cisco at work and Asus/Linksys at home... a charm!	14:04
GeneralAntilles	account-plugin-haze was what it was called on Diablo	14:04
GeneralAntilles	Dunno how that translated to Fremantle.	14:04
tigert	yeah there is the package for msn plugin too separate even	14:04
mgedmin	gouverneur, IIRC I had issues with a Linksys WRT54GL at home and my old n800	14:04
* tigert installs both and sees what happens		14:04
gouverneur	mgedmin: which rev. of wrt did you have?	14:05
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mgedmin	gouverneur, it could've been WAP54G back then; I later replaced it with WRT54GL (no clue about rev -- 3 or 4 maybe?) and installed either dd-wrt or x-wrt on it	14:06
mgedmin	this is getting a bit offtopic	14:06
gouverneur	mgedmin: no its not, the later revisions have not enough of ram to do everything you want properly	14:07
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gouverneur	a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients where active	14:08
mgedmin	the wrt had 14 megs of ram, iirc, I couldn't enable shaping -- it'd get overloaded after ~24 hours and would reboot	14:08
pta0007	gouverneur: still dont know how to do that. i have set up the usb networking, but how to use "fuse"?	14:08
gouverneur	s/where/were/g	14:08
infobot	gouverneur meant: a rev. 4 and rev. 5 startet to wifi cylcle after about 10days uptime if more than 2 clients were active	14:08
mgedmin	pta0007, what do you want to do, again?	14:08
mgedmin	usually you don't use fuse directly but rather some userspace filesystem built on top of it	14:08
gouverneur	pta0007: whats your distro?	14:09
pta0007	install the executable file into the device	14:09
pta0007	and run the app on the device	14:09
mgedmin	e.g. on my linux laptop I run 'sshfs mg-n900:/ ~/mg-n900' to mount my n900's filesystem on ~/mg-n900/	14:09
* tigert sets up facebook chat in n900		14:09
tigert	sigh	14:09
mgedmin	pta0007, I suggest you just scp the file into your n900	14:09
tigert	I really wish there was some auto-contacts-merge tool that used heuristics	14:09
mgedmin	assuming you've got openssh on your device	14:10
gouverneur	mgedmin: its about persistent connection	14:10
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mgedmin	if not, copy it over usb, unmount, unplug, copy it from /home/MyDocs (mounted noexec) to /home and then run it	14:10
tigert	man that facebook chat plugin has a nice icon in addressbook	14:11
gouverneur	pta0007: my fstab entry for n900 looks like this	14:11
gouverneur	sshfs#root@cassiopeia:/ /cassiopeia fuse user,noauto 0 0	14:12
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gouverneur	a current bug in fuse prevents the user from umounting as mtab getns the user flag	14:13
tigert	how does fuse handle network disconnects?	14:14
tigert	I used sshfs to mount my dropbox from my server	14:14
mgedmin	tigert, badly, in my experience	14:14
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tigert	worked nice but that was the problem	14:15
tigert	other than that it was awesome to have my dropbox in the device	14:15
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tigert	of course a real dropbox client would be nice	14:15
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tigert	I guess there is a binary blob involved that doesnt wrok for arm?	14:15
gouverneur	tigert: hermes was just disappointing lately, I thought it would grep all missing info from facebook but it didnt do anything but enter a additional URL for the facebook$user	14:15
Stskeeps	tigert: bingo	14:15
Stskeeps	:P	14:15
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tigert	gouverneur: hm, weird	14:16
gouverneur	yes it is and I dont want to activate this birthday only contacts thing...	14:17
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Khertan	Hum which lib/framework exist and have python binding on fremantle to made fast running scrolling game ... (i found that sdl is a bit too slow) ?	14:19
Khertan	i was thinking of pyopengl ... but not available	14:19
Khertan	i was think of pyside-qtopengl ... but use pyopengl	14:19
Khertan	any idea ?	14:19
mgedmin	speaking of dropbox, has anybody tried porting ubuntu one to maemo?	14:19
mgedmin	the client is open-source AFAIU	14:20
pta0007	I think it's better if anyone could tell me how to on-device debug for n900 with maemo5 sdk, under ubuntu :)	14:20
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GeneralAntilles	$10 Ovi manages to make the PR1.2/Qt 4.6 more complicated than it should be.	14:20
mgedmin	pta0007, the maemo wiki had docs about that; I haven't personally tried it	14:20
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Khertan	mgedmin: the interface of the client is open source	14:20
Khertan	some lib in it aren't	14:20
wazd	titanium iPhone, nice	14:21
mgedmin	Khertan, I thought that was about dropbox -- open-source nautilus plugin, closed-source client daemon	14:21
Khertan	GeneralAntilles: i put 20 $ on it	14:21
Arif_	GeneralAntilles, €5 on it'll be delayed :P	14:21
Khertan	mgedmin: yep closed-source client daemon (i miscalled that a lib)	14:22
gouverneur	how do I softly restart telepathy? I am getting connection error with ICQ from time to time...	14:22
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gouverneur	to be precise: "Network error"	14:23
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mgedmin	Khertan, what I'm gently trying to point out is that ubuntu one and dropbox are two different products	14:24
mgedmin	and I'm not sure now which one you're talking about	14:24
Khertan	ah sorry ... i was talking about dropbox	14:25
Khertan	but ubuntu one has some closed part too right ?	14:25
mgedmin	the server is closed	14:25
mgedmin	they have published protocol specs afaiu	14:25
Khertan	not the client ?	14:25
mgedmin	I'm pretty sure the client is entirely open-source	14:25
mgedmin	the name is silly, though -- they'd've done better not to name it "ubuntu one" if they wanted other distros to pick it up	14:26
Khertan	hum ... not only the name is silly	14:26
Khertan	but hum ... it s still beta :)	14:26
Khertan	so i ll not made bad comment on it	14:27
Khertan	sync is a difficult things to do	14:27
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mgedmin	sync is hard	14:27
mgedmin	which is why I never trusted sync	14:27
Khertan	this is also why i ven't released yet mnotes	14:27
mgedmin	which tends to cause me pain when I need to, e.g., migrate phones	14:27
Khertan	and the mnotes web ui	14:27
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mgedmin	the only sync I trust is sync I understand, which means revision control	14:28
mgedmin	my tomboy notes are in subversion	14:28
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Khertan	héhé	14:28
mgedmin	it doesn't work as well as you might expect	14:28
Khertan	my tomboy note are all scratched due to multiple sync between conboy / ubuntuone / tomboy on my desktop	14:28
lizardo	Khertan: did you try pyside-qt4-opengl ?	14:28
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Khertan	and to be honest i like conboy on n900 but not tomboy on windows or linux	14:29
antii	ugh, cant seem to sync my calender with googles calander. i have set it up with exchange but still cant see my events :s	14:29
Khertan	lizardo: i ve try the simple example 2dpainting.py from pyside example	14:29
mgedmin	I wish conboy had fewer bugs ...	14:29
Khertan	lizardo: it s require pyopengl	14:29
mgedmin	I keep adding bulleted lists and conboy forgets the bullets as soon as I close it	14:29
Khertan	lizardo: which doesn't seems to be available	14:30
mgedmin	making it just a series of lines	14:30
Khertan	lizardo: (same with all pyside example)	14:30
Khertan	lizardo: i didn't look more as i'm pretty much don't know qt	14:30
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Khertan	but i didn't understand why it s require pyopengl ... as i think the opengl part was done with qt	14:31
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lizardo	Khertan: which errors do you get when running the 2dpainting example ?	14:32
lizardo	Khertan: the exact errors, I mean	14:32
Khertan	i didn't got any error ... just a qt dialog saying that it s require pyopengl	14:33
Khertan	PyOpenGL must be installed to run this example	14:34
pupnik	Khertan: any interest in brushing-up mypaint for maemo?	14:35
Khertan	mypaint ?	14:35
Khertan	http://mypaint.intilinux.com/	14:35
Khertan	ok ... currently not :)	14:35
pupnik	a nice sketch app. i did an optimized build of the C engine	14:35
lizardo	Khertan: did you try just commenting out those try: ... except: ... part?	14:35
Khertan	none ... shame on me :)	14:36
lizardo	Khertan: note: I'm not saying it will work (never tried them) :) just trying to help	14:36
Khertan	lizardo: lol ... now it s works	14:36
Khertan	lizardo: yep yep ... thx for help	14:36
Khertan	strange ... native and opengl painting run at the same speed	14:37
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Cy8aer	reboot	14:48
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Cy8aer	;-) I hate windows...	14:48
Cy8aer	sory	14:49
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Khertan	1483 votes for maemo 5 dropbox client	14:49
Khertan	so there are at least 1483 n900 user	14:49
Khertan	:)	14:49
Arif_	what's dropbox	14:50
Arif_	:p	14:50
jacekowski	file hosting website	14:50
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Arif_	hmm	14:50
jacekowski	i was thinking about something like OTA sync for n900	14:51
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jacekowski	but rsync isn't good enough to steal	14:52
jacekowski	so i have to make something on my own	14:52
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MiXu-	jacekowski: OTA sync - like calendar, contacts, etc?	14:56
jacekowski	and files	14:56
jacekowski	and everything	14:56
MiXu-	There's SyncEvolution GUI for syncing	14:56
MiXu-	but it doesn't do files afaik	14:57
jacekowski	what i'm thinking of is something like that	14:57
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MiXu-	It works quite nicely	14:57
jacekowski	you go to the file/folder that you want to be sent to your n900	14:57
jacekowski	right click -> send to -> my N900	14:58
nid0	what exactly is wrong with an rsync frontend again?	14:58
MiXu-	jacekowski: You can do that with Filezilla I think.	14:58
jacekowski	and you get nice popup with latest directory structure	14:58
jacekowski	( or current one if n900 has internet/wifi connection )	14:58
jacekowski	you click where you want file/folder to go	14:59
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jacekowski	and it's sent as soon as n900 has internet/wifi connection	15:00
jacekowski	so no more usb, using filezilla, whatever	15:00
jacekowski	data is sent in background and automaticaly resumed if phone loses connections	15:01
jacekowski	connection*	15:01
MiXu-	Yes, that would be nice.	15:01
jacekowski	and rsync has couple limitations that would prevent it	15:01
jacekowski	+ issue with most providers NATing their customers	15:01
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nid0	the only problem with that if you're establishing the connection from server side getting to the n900 connected via wifi would require router configuration as almost everyone's gonna be behind nat	15:02
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Khertan	yep it s require a server to handle sync	15:02
jacekowski	so it would require some server that would temporary store data to be sent	15:02
jacekowski	nid0: that's why i'm thinking about pc detecting if it's in same network as phone - and then data gets sent directly over reasonably fast wifi	15:03
jacekowski	nid0: and if it's not it goes to server and phone downloads it from there	15:03
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jacekowski	svn like thing would be nice - but afaik there is no way to just store latest changeset	15:04
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crashanddie	jacekowski: git?	15:05
jacekowski	same thing	15:06
jacekowski	and there are other issues as well	15:07
crashanddie	not really	15:07
jacekowski	imagine text file	15:07
jacekowski	modified on phone and pc	15:07
jacekowski	that would fail	15:07
crashanddie	not if you define one master and one copy	15:07
crashanddie	and force the merger transparently	15:08
Khertan	crashanddie: this is how i scratch all my mnotes	15:08
crashanddie	ok, so what exactly are you trying to achieve?	15:08
Khertan	someone have try pyside opengl on n900 ? it s look like the gl 2d painting is slower than the native one	15:09
Khertan	strange	15:09
Khertan	isn't it ?	15:09
wazd	wow, Russia vs Canada today	15:10
crashanddie	jacekowski: what about ftp?	15:10
tybollt	wazd: I think russia will win	15:11
tybollt	easily	15:11
tybollt	hell even US beat canada	15:11
wazd	tybollt: well, I wouldn't be so sure :D	15:11
tybollt	wazd: seriously.	15:12
tybollt	wazd: Put yer money where your mouth is. I'm in for 100USD on .ru, you up for it?	15:12
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wazd	tybollt: even though I'm from Russia, I'm still not sure :D	15:13
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tybollt	wazd: you see ovetjkin tackle jagr?	15:14
tybollt	wow!	15:14
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* Arif_ is trying out all the 5 themes for maemo :P		15:15
wazd	tybollt: well, that was Jagr's fault :)	15:15
thresh	tybollt: Ovechkin	15:15
thresh	and he was uber-cool	15:15
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Arif_	hmm	15:16
* Arif_ likes Dark Sky the best till now		15:16
tybollt	thresh: Huh? http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/	15:16
tybollt	wazd: ovetjkin or ovechkin?	15:17
thresh	tybollt: someone cant read	15:17
thresh	look at his jersey, ffs	15:17
wazd	tybollt: thresh is from Russia too, trust him :P	15:18
tybollt	that's NHL anglo spelling of a russian name	15:18
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thresh	that's stupid	15:18
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thresh	we know best :P	15:18
tybollt	bah :)	15:18
wazd	daaaamn	15:18
thresh	http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y142/Brushback/OvechkinMalkin.jpg	15:18
tybollt	so why is it spelled "ovetjkin" in some places then?	15:18
thresh	because some people are dumb	15:19
wazd	CSKA vs Sevilla today!	15:19
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tybollt	thresh: meh	15:19
inz	The Ovetjkin seems to be the swedish transliteration	15:19
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wazd	tybollt: seriously he's [o'veʧkin]	15:20
tybollt	D	15:20
tybollt	:D	15:20
tybollt	???????	15:21
tybollt	meh	15:21
tybollt	ENOUTF8	15:21
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wazd	and [koval'ʧuk] :P	15:21
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tybollt	koval*	15:21
tybollt	ove*	15:21
tybollt	from now on :D	15:22
wazd	Kovi and Ovi actually :D	15:22
tybollt	anyway we can agree him taking care of Jagr was nothing but pure hockey pleasure :D	15:22
juhovh	in Finland they spell it Ovetškin just for reference :P	15:23
juhovh	which should be quite close to the pronunciatino	15:23
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tybollt	juhovh: It's like "Teemu Seläne" is ... "Teeeeeeaaaaaaamo Selaaaaane" in NHL... very confusing...	15:26
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Arif_	hmm	15:27
Arif_	this livlsteel fire theme looks good too	15:27
juhovh	yeah	15:28
hrw	Owietczkin?	15:28
thresh	that's why i'm usually Kostya to my foreign friends	15:28
hrw	thresh: or Kostia for slavic ones	15:29
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tybollt	thresh: as in opposed to your full name being ... ?	15:29
thresh	Konstantin	15:29
thresh	as written in /whois :)	15:29
tybollt	oh people still put their names in there these days?	15:30
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adeus	sure why not	15:30
hrw	tybollt: it makes things easier often	15:30
tybollt	I thought it was all "fuck off" for many years :)	15:30
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satmd	hm, is there a page showing screenshots of all these themes?	15:30
* satmd found Reflect on w.m.o		15:31
Arif_	install them :P	15:31
Khertan	w.m.o ?	15:31
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satmd	www.maemo.org? :P	15:32
Arif_	or look in the themes category in the forums	15:32
Khertan	ah arf	15:32
satmd	oh. good idea.	15:32
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Khertan	ahm trying some prefix ... warrior.maemo.org ... wontfix.maemo.org ... windows.maemo.org	15:32
wazd	hihihiiiiii	15:33
Khertan	but never it s come in mind that it could be www	15:33
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wazd	my Theming Guide was translated via GS for russian forum :D	15:33
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Arif_	hm	15:34
Arif_	themes need their own category methinks	15:34
Khertan	hum my game vectormine didn't have success ... :(	15:34
Khertan	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vectormine/1.0.4-3/	15:34
Khertan	:(	15:35
juhovh	what means didn't have success?	15:35
pupnik	just saw it today	15:35
nid0	please please add an option to turn off sounds, srsly :(	15:35
Khertan	not many comment on talk or maemofrance	15:36
Khertan	:)	15:36
Khertan	nid0: that it s a good comment	15:36
Khertan	:)	15:36
juhovh	so it was just an ad :P	15:36
nid0	downloaded it for a test yesterday, got as far as the first note emanating from my speakers and had to go switch to silent mode	15:36
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* Arif_ votes it down :P		15:36
mece	WTF? I think ssh server crashed my N900...	15:36
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mece	or well messed with my xterm at least.	15:37
Khertan	nid0: seriously you need a an option to turn sound off ? as personnaly just lower volume	15:37
Khertan	juhovh: not s really an add ... just talking and ask for testers :)	15:37
Khertan	s/add/ad	15:37
pupnik	non-big-name games will find users slowly Khertan	15:37
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juhovh	I suggest just asking for testers in that case :)	15:37
Khertan	pupnik: oh ... :(	15:38
nid0	i think it'd be politer to have an option to shut down the game's sound without needing to kill sound for everything else on the device while playing it, thats just imo but i'd prefer one	15:38
juhovh	because "no success" sounded like "didn't get into repository" to me	15:38
SpeedEvil	add a blog post with some video maybe	15:38
Khertan	juhovh: yep you can see it like that too ... :)	15:38
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Khertan	juhovh: but i got so many problem with the packaging :)	15:38
juhovh	I see	15:39
Khertan	nid0: ok ... i note it on my todo list for next version	15:39
Khertan	SpeedEvil: yep ... but before i prefer made it available to extras :)	15:39
nid0	is the only difference between 1.0.2-3 in the qa queue and 1.0.4-3 a working bugtracker link?	15:40
Khertan	pupnik: you mean that i should rename VectorMine to VectorMine-ACloneOfStormMineOnVectrex	15:41
Khertan	:)	15:41
Khertan	nid0: and one or two small optimization	15:41
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pupnik	vectormine is a good name	15:46
ShadowJK	hm, do the maemo mailing lists see if you're on CC and then not send you a dup from the mailing list	15:47
ShadowJK	or is my too-complicated-to-understand mailing system automatically chucking away stuff...	15:47
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corecode	if it is mailman then you can set this option yourself	15:48
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javispedro	RST38h: say, if you want, I could create a garage page+tracker for vultures	15:51
javispedro	s/tracker/bugzilla	15:51
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javispedro	but since this time nobody is going to use the VCS, just ask for the bugzilla component...	15:51
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ShadowJK	corecode, ah, thanks	15:55
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pablo2	Hi guys , How to i use Xautomation in maemo? has .deb ?	15:57
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Rneksp	http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsghttp://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg	16:06
Rneksp	http://tinyurl.com/yko2qsg	16:06
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Arif_	why do I have the urge to not click that...	16:07
nid0	its just a bullshit porn pyramid scheme	16:07
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Arif_	aw	16:08
Arif_	no trojans? :p	16:08
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nid0	it does actually seem clean	16:08
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ShadowJK	btw I wonder.. since Meego doesn't seem to expect to have much anything to do with end-users (or atleast that's the impression I get), the idea of scrapping maemo.org is probably premature..	16:18
Stskeepz	maemo.org still has a lot of life, yeah	16:19
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scapor	Hi. Is it somehow possible to get on the internet with my n900 using the usb-cable, by using the wired internet connection of my PC, so instead of tethering, the opposite should happen ?	16:20
scapor	Somehow I'd have to share the internet connection of my pc over a usb port ?	16:20
Arif_	you don't have a wireless modem? :\|	16:21
javispedro	oh, the omap has a hardware crypto accelerator?	16:21
Lumpio-	Presumably it should work if you set USB networking up the same way as with tethering, but do the routing stuff on your desktop PC	16:21
thresh	scapor: yes, look for usb networking	16:21
hrw	ShadowJK: lot of time will pass until meego will give something more then website+ml	16:21
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeepz, what do we do with the whole MeeGo naming issue, though? :\	16:21
scapor	and is it possible with a windows host to share the network over usb ?	16:22
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Stskeepz	GeneralAntilles: is maemo.org a software or a hardware community? :)	16:22
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, since nokia is changing naming schemes anyway, they could just call the next phone "Nokia Maemo 6"	16:22
javispedro	softhardware!	16:22
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GeneralAntilles	Stskeepz, it's Nokia's trademark.	16:22
GeneralAntilles	Who knows what they'll decide to do.	16:23
Stskeepz	we should rename ourself to "the org"	16:23
Stskeepz	:P	16:23
ShadowJK	maemo.org is a much better end-user forum than the terrible nokia.com equivalent.. :)	16:23
javispedro	naa, too much like "the operative"	16:23
tybollt	I want nokia to introduce a knock-off of the classic "SEGAAAAAAAAAA" intro in the opening sequence w/ the hands reaching each other and then a "NOKIAAAAAAAA"	16:23
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tybollt	(Yes, I'm entirelly _on_ topic!)	16:23
Arif_	why not "MEEGOOOOOOOOOOO"	16:24
Arif_	:P	16:24
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tybollt	yeah	16:24
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tybollt	me likey	16:24
viukkis	it's-a-me, meego!	16:24
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tybollt	"Mefooool!" everytime you start the device - nice	16:24
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TriztFromWork	Was there any fixes for wifi-problems in the coming release?	16:25
ShadowJK	there were some wifi fixes in 1.1.1 i believe	16:25
* tybollt wonders if Stskeepz (z?) is busy aiming his scud missiles at me olready? :)		16:25
GeneralAntilles	Stskeepz, so maemo.org is the user community for MeeGo?	16:26
TriztFromWork	ShadowJK; for me it looked as it wnet to the worse	16:26
GeneralAntilles	That makes no sense at all.	16:26
tybollt	GeneralAntilles: indeed, none at all	16:26
Stskeepz	GeneralAntilles: i am waiting for council to find itself	16:26
Stskeepz	:P	16:26
tybollt	Stskeepz: so any question we answer will be echo "Awaiting council meeting" from now on, eh? :P	16:27
pupnik	try Kobodeluxe in -devel!!	16:27
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pupnik	needs controls fix	16:27
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javispedro	poor council	16:27
GeneralAntilles	Poor indeed	16:27
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, no I'd say maemo.org is the user community for nokia maemo and meego devices..	16:27
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GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, that only makes 50% more sense.	16:27
Arif_	what about meego.org and maemo.org being the same site :O	16:28
GeneralAntilles	Arif_, meego.org is owned by the Chinese.	16:28
ShadowJK	I suspect Meego to Nokia's meego-device is more like debian to maemo..	16:28
Stskeeps	"maemo.org" "cos we didn't have meego.org"	16:28
javispedro	what a stupid name. and it even comes with chinese domains attached.	16:28
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Arif_	maybe they're willing to sell it	16:29
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javispedro	even meego.es is taken already	16:29
Arif_	meego.com.tr!	16:29
javispedro	MeegoNet	16:29
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, I have a feeling we will lose the bugzilla for the binary nokia stuff, on future nokia meego devices :-)	16:29
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, so do I.	16:30
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, thus the backsliding on bug #630.	16:30
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630 Increased Bugzilla transparency - get the developers involved!	16:30
TriztFromWork	you could use meego.org.uk ;)	16:30
* GeneralAntilles cares less and less, though.		16:30
drizztbsd	hi	16:30
Stskeeps	on the other hand, more things get default open bugzilla	16:30
GeneralAntilles	MeeGo fail	16:30
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, I'll believe it when I see it.	16:30
drizztbsd	where can I found the adobe-flashplayer*.deb that I have installed on my n900?	16:30
Stskeeps	drizztbsd: closed source, non-redistributable	16:30
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pupnik	les not get panties TOO much in a bunch here...	16:31
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drizztbsd	Stskeeps: so there is not an x86 version?	16:31
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drizztbsd	(to debug a flash-based website with scratchbox)	16:31
Stskeeps	no, not afaik	16:31
drizztbsd	ok thanks	16:32
Stskeeps	well	16:32
javispedro	you can grab the x86 version from adobe.com	16:32
Stskeeps	not public at least.	16:32
Stskeeps	:P	16:32
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javispedro	but if you want to debug... i'm sure it does not even resemble the arm version at all.	16:32
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javispedro	so instead of bugs.maemo.org we could have bugzilla.tabletux.meego.com ;)	16:34
ShadowJK	Seems closed source stuff will not be dealth with at meego.com :)	16:34
* GeneralAntilles wishes they wouldn't use bugzilla.meego.com		16:34
Stskeeps	bugs.meego.com?	16:34
Stskeeps	:P	16:34
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GeneralAntilles	Indeed	16:34
GeneralAntilles	Shorter	16:34
GeneralAntilles	and the tool matters less than the content.	16:35
javispedro	bugs.maemo.nokia.com ;)	16:35
GeneralAntilles	"bugs" means something to more people than "bugzilla".	16:35
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, I want a pony, too.	16:35
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: yes, and also hides an implementation detail.	16:35
javispedro	err... not the pony, but "bugs" vs "bugzilla"	16:35
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drizztbsd	moblin uses the standard fedora flash release iirc	16:36
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javispedro	maemo is not moblin, at least, yet.	16:36
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timeless_mbp	Jaffa: ping	16:39
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: can catorize put '(e)mail' into _both_ Network and Office?	16:39
timeless_mbp	i expect mail to be in office	16:39
timeless_mbp	and i constantly kick myself about it	16:39
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timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: does b.m.c require a special pony?	16:41
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, the pony, in this case, would be a bugs.maemo.nokia.com for Nokia closed-source components.	16:41
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timeless_mbp	i can't log into bugzilla.meego.c	16:42
javispedro	nokia closed-source components and device-specific bugs	16:42
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, it's not public yet.	16:42
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?	16:42
timeless_mbp	it'd be really nice if they had given me the chance to give help	16:43
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bergie	BTW, this should make maemo.org - meego.com interaction a lot easier: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/register_and_log_into_meego-com_using_your_maemo-org_account/	16:50
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pupnik	ty bergie	16:50
javispedro	ah nice	16:50
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javispedro	can we setup multiple openid identities in meego can we?	16:51
bergie	javispedro: yep	16:51
javispedro	it's nice to see an openid consumer from time to time	16:51
bergie	I'm using both maemo.org and my own blog there	16:51
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tybollt	< timeless_mbp> GeneralAntilles: where are they planning for it?	16:55
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tybollt	to hear that from an actual employee is very very deeply profusely disturbing...	16:55
timeless_mbp	oh sure, nick highlight me	16:55
tybollt	timeless_mbp: ^^^^^	16:56
timeless_mbp	i don't work for LF, Meego or Intel!	16:56
tybollt	Tim E Less is pretending Nookla has notta to do w/ this...	16:56
tybollt	Not involved...	16:56
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dneary	Hi	16:56
tybollt	timeless_mbp: You will allow me to be a bitter cynic, please.	16:57
timeless_mbp	sure	16:57
dneary	andre__, png?	16:57
timeless_mbp	just leave me in peace :	16:57
tybollt	timeless_mbp: Not attacking you at all, sorry if that is how I came across...	16:57
andre__	dneary, pong	16:58
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Corsac	bwarf, openid is nowhere related to authentification	17:00
mgedmin	Corsac, what is it related to then?	17:00
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Corsac	I'm not sure	17:01
Corsac	mgedmin: does meego.com trust any openid provider?	17:01
Corsac	(meego.com or any other openid consumer, for that matter)	17:01
mgedmin	openid replaces usernames and passwords	17:01
bergie	Corsac: OpenID is federated identity and authentication... http://openidexplained.com/	17:01
mgedmin	it doesn't replace accounts	17:01
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mgedmin	typically on any site I'd have to log in using openid and then create an account	17:02
villemv	Corsac: launchad openid works fine for me on meego	17:02
bergie	mgedmin: meego.com does this pretty nicely, it creates you the account from your openid identity	17:02
* mgedmin goes and registers there then		17:02
bergie	villemv: yep, and you can associate that and maemo.org if you like	17:02
dneary	andre__, I'd drop the Beamer discussion - it's going nowhere :)	17:02
villemv	bergie: so I can log in w/ openid to maemo.org now?	17:03
andre__	dneary, yeah. was also my last email :)	17:03
villemv	or just use 2 alternative openid providers for meego?	17:03
bergie	villemv: nope, because maemo.org relies on Garage's accounts (long story)	17:03
bergie	villemv: but meego.com allows you to associate multiple openids with same account	17:03
villemv	alright	17:03
villemv	I think I'm ok with just one ;-)	17:04
bergie	villemv: associating maemo.org account now may be useful if we transfer some services from maemo.org to meego.com later	17:04
* mgedmin whistles impatiently and ponders the downsides of greylisting		17:04
villemv	I'm actually a bit confused with maemo.org accounts... I have to use different passwords for different sites. I can never remember which is which	17:05
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mgedmin	yeah	17:06
timeless_mbp	tybollt: it wasn't an attack	17:06
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timeless_mbp	it was nick highlighting	17:06
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timeless_mbp	you're welcome to attack any entity you like, i just don't want to be nick highlighted when you do so :)	17:06
gouverneur	X-Fade: did talk just die?	17:07
SpeedEvil	dfm	17:07
crashanddie	OK, this is slightly disturbing	17:07
X-Fade	gouverneur: no.	17:07
gouverneur	mmhp	17:07
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crashanddie	Jaffa: remember that shot of you drinking a beer, and behind you there's a poster of naked men?	17:08
gouverneur	ah now it works again, was unresponsive for about 5 minutes...	17:08
crashanddie	http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4000512697/	17:08
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Corsac	i saw that movie ¬¬	17:09
crashanddie	it's kinda a popular one, and the main referer to it is bing, with the query "drunk naked men"	17:09
Arif_	why would anyone look for drunk naked men?	17:09
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Corsac	you don't want to know	17:09
crashanddie	beats me	17:09
Arif_	you're right	17:10
tybollt	while :; do printf "timeless_mbp" ; done	17:10
Arif_	I don't :D	17:10
crashanddie	anyway, good night	17:10
timeless_mbp	...	17:10
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tybollt	timeless_mbp: jajaja, point taken.	17:10
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corecode	is there a way to jump to the next page in the pdf viewer?	17:13
corecode	in fullscreen?	17:13
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corecode	or even gasp use portrait?	17:13
timeless_mbp	corecode: tap the right edge of the window?	17:13
corecode	where?	17:13
corecode	to de-fullscreenize it?	17:13
timeless_mbp	in full screen	17:13
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timeless_mbp	50% down the screen on the right side there's a button you can press (to the left of the scrollbar)	17:14
timeless_mbp	it's invisible, but will appear when tapped	17:14
corecode	ah	17:14
corecode	hmm	17:14
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mikkov	X-Fade: nice counter in downloads page :)	17:14
timeless_mbp	it appears temporarily when the document loads	17:14
timeless_mbp	i don't think there's a portrait mode	17:14
timeless_mbp	but keep in mind that PDF is a document oriented file format	17:15
X-Fade	mikkov: Well, somebody needs to make it beautiful, but it works ;)	17:15
timeless_mbp	which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the doucment at all	17:15
timeless_mbp	s/uc/cu/	17:15
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: which means if you did have portrait, you wouldn't be able to read the document at all	17:15
timeless_mbp	total waste	17:15
nid0	sigh, dodgy 3g service is /wrists	17:15
timeless_mbp	web pages /could/ work in portrait, OnlyIf they didn't try to honor page author requests	17:15
timeless_mbp	which sadly, desktop oriented browsers do try to honor,...	17:16
corecode	timeless_mbp: thanks!	17:16
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corecode	well, pages tend to be used in portrait, so being able to turn the pdf viewer would be good	17:18
mgedmin	meego account creation asks for my country	17:18
mgedmin	but they don't use it to pick a sane default timezone	17:18
mikkov	X-Fade: download statistics for OS2008 seems mostly broken :)	17:18
tybollt	so meego is EPICFAIL olready at account creationg stage - this is gunna be funneh	17:18
timeless_mbp	corecode: um	17:19
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timeless_mbp	pages are physically larger than a cell phone	17:19
timeless_mbp	and cell phones don't come w/ magnifying glasses	17:19
timeless_mbp	if your pdf is a map, that's one thing	17:19
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X-Fade	mikkov: Well, no. They are just extremely low it seems.	17:19
timeless_mbp	if it's text, then you will not find trying to use a pdf in portrait works well	17:19
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corecode	timeless_mbp: i see	17:20
matthew-	Hmmm, anyone using AIM on your n900?	17:20
tybollt	timeless_mbp: reminds me of that dilbert strip... where the PHB calls ratbert at support asking what to do when his mouse has reached the end of the table... :-)	17:20
mikkov	X-Fade: some of the apps are missing the graph completely	17:20
matthew-	I'm adding the account and it says 'not signed in' all the time	17:20
tybollt	s/end/edge	17:20
timeless_mbp	end works	17:20
timeless_mbp	(edge is better)	17:20
X-Fade	mikkov: Then I have no mention of them in the last 90 days in the download logs.	17:20
X-Fade	mikkov: Or they aren't flagged to be in extras.	17:21
X-Fade	mikkov: Do you have an example?	17:21
mikkov	X-Fade: battlegweled	17:21
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pta0007	anyone knows what is what is printf-debugging?	17:21
mikkov	X-Fade: there are more. OMWeather graph looks strange too, but it's possible that everybody just stopped using their tablets :)	17:22
spectre-	has anyone had cups running on their n900's?	17:22
mgedmin	pta0007, it's when you insert printf statements into your source code to get an idea of what your app is doing	17:22
mgedmin	the simplest form of debugging	17:22
mgedmin	requires least amount of tool support	17:23
X-Fade	mikkov: No mention of battlegweled in last 90 days.	17:23
X-Fade	mikkov: only on fremantle.	17:23
* timeless_mbp wonders what 'application/x-nokia-teh-rtp' is		17:23
X-Fade	mikkov: For omweather: we now have daily stats so peaks are 7 times as low as before ;)	17:23
timeless_mbp	(google isn't being helpful)	17:23
tybollt	timeless_mbp: "teh", really?	17:24
mikkov	X-Fade: all graps show that all N800/N810 users stopped downloading apps on dec 1, 2009	17:24
matthew-	No one? :)	17:24
timeless_mbp	tybollt: really, google says it isn't misspelled	17:24
tybollt	:-S	17:24
timeless_mbp	it doesn't explain wtf it is	17:24
timeless_mbp	but it says that people agree it's written that way	17:24
mikkov	X-Fade: see maemo-mapper	17:24
X-Fade	mikkov: That is when I switched to daily stats.	17:24
timeless_mbp	(the symbian sources are where i found it fwiw)	17:24
matthew-	no?	17:25
matthew-	;]	17:25
tybollt	timeless_mbp: anyway rtp... innit sommat to do w/ hmm realmedia shitz?	17:25
timeless_mbp	it should be, yes	17:25
timeless_mbp	still doesn't explain 'teh'	17:25
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timeless_mbp	another gem: nbrOfAgeed	17:25
tybollt	timeless_mbp: yes the "teh" part is very annoying, I agreee	17:26
tybollt	I agree, too.	17:26
mikkov	X-Fade: mplayer downloads stopped too on dec 1	17:26
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X-Fade	mikkov: They didn't stop. Zoom in.	17:26
X-Fade	mikkov: They are just very low.	17:26
X-Fade	mikkov: And this javascript graph doesn't rescale.	17:27
mikkov	X-Fade: ok, dropped from several hundred to practically 0	17:27
X-Fade	mikkov: several hundred / 7 = low	17:27
mikkov	X-Fade: ah, the scale changes in middle of graph?	17:28
X-Fade	mikkov: Yeah, basically old values need to be interpolated.	17:28
mikkov	X-Fade: ok, now I understand.	17:29
mikkov	conclusion, nobody is using old NITs anymore	17:29
X-Fade	mikkov: Not nobody, but it is significantly lower than N900 usage.	17:30
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aquatix	myeah, i don't get any updates for os2008 on my n810 except for omweather now and then	17:30
aquatix	so why bother checking :)	17:30
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X-Fade	mikkov: Check maemo-mapper now.	17:33
X-Fade	mikkov: for os2008	17:33
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mikkov	X-Fade: it looks the same, big drop on dec 1?	17:34
X-Fade	mikkov: refresh now, cleared cache.	17:35
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pupnik	mikkov: excellent kobodeluxe update. please add a "mouse" mode where stylus tap does not fire guns, but instead space or "x" (for lefthand) fires guns	17:35
mgedmin	or openarena-style proximity sensor	17:35
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mikkov	pupnik: I guess you have patch for it somewhere?	17:36
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pupnik	i did once. lost my ports archive though. will do it if you are not convinced	17:37
mikkov	mgedmin: for kobodeluxe? How is it different from openarena now?	17:37
mgedmin	mikkov, I haven't tired the n900 port for kobodeluxe	17:37
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pupnik	accel is cute but not comparable to stylus for dodging	17:38
mgedmin	I was just thinking that pupnik's suggestion of using space or "x" would make it impossible to play kobodeluxe with the keyboard closed	17:38
X-Fade	mikkov: omweather now makes a lot more sense too.	17:38
pupnik	it would	17:38
mgedmin	and I remembered how openarena solved that: by (ab)using the n900's proximity sensor as a "key"	17:38
pupnik	play the game to level six or more a few times, then discuss	17:39
mikkov	mgedmin: well kobodeluxe is using proximity sensor. I even ripped the function directly from ioquake3 engine	17:39
mgedmin	ah, cool!	17:39
mgedmin	awesome!	17:39
mgedmin	I must've misunderstood pupnik's suggestion then	17:39
mikkov	pupnik: I have played to level 20 something, although with easy level	17:40
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mikkov	X-Fade: I am tryin to see the updated graphs with IE now, but it shows just blank white	17:40
X-Fade	mikkov: Doesn't support canvas.	17:41
X-Fade	mikkov: Or something like that.	17:41
thp	how is this widget called? http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5771/m5whichwidget.png	17:41
pupnik	obviously folks have idiosyncratic control preferences, myself included :)	17:41
timeless_mbp	thp: group label?	17:41
mikkov	pupnik: so removing mouse fire would make kobo better?	17:41
JimiDini	how does one set up avatar at tmo? looking at profile-settings and don't see it :-/	17:42
thp	timeless_mbp: is that in hildon or where do I find it?	17:42
pupnik	yes mousefire removes part of the skill	17:42
pupnik	if every movement fires	17:43
pupnik	also at higher levels the game limits firing rate	17:43
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pupnik	so dodging must be seperate from firing	17:43
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mikkov	pupnik: ok, that's quite simple change then.	17:43
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mikkov	or when thinking how kobo engine works, it can be a real pain to change it without breaking anything else	17:44
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pupnik	perhaps implement by adding an additional mousemode (called tablet?)	17:45
pupnik	yes	17:45
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pupnik	wonderful that you got the prerendered sounds working. it can be an excellent game now	17:45
timeless_mbp	thp: hildon widgets would be here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libhildon/hildon/	17:45
timeless_mbp	i don't see anything relevant	17:46
timeless_mbp	thp: GtkFrame probably	17:46
mikkov	X-Fade: I restarted my browser, big drop in maemo-mapper graph still. But it's not that important anyway	17:46
thp	timeless_mbp: that's a good clue. will try to see if it's GtkFrame - thanks	17:46
X-Fade	mikkov: The whole graph should be in the same scale now.	17:47
thp	timeless_mbp: yep, it's a GtkFrame :)	17:48
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timeless_mbp	thp: group label => groupbox => google gtk groupbox => suggestion to use gtkframe	17:48
timeless_mbp	oddly enough, there are files in mxr that talk about gtk group boxes, but they're all Qt files :o	17:49
mikkov	X-Fade: some caching still somewhere, I guess	17:49
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pupnik	timeless_mbp: can i force browserd to really sleep? javascript pausing still leaves me with 48 pct cpu	17:50
pupnik	with 5 pages open	17:50
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pupnik	i can use bookmarks to workaround	17:53
Jaffa	timeless_mbp: I started on some code to allow Catorise to have apps in multiple categories, but aborted it. It shouldn't be too hard.	17:54
Jaffa	croppa: aye	17:54
Jaffa	s/croppa/crashanddie/	17:54
infobot	Jaffa meant: crashanddie: aye	17:54
timeless_mbp	Jaffa: :/	17:54
timeless_mbp	pupnik: kill -STOP :)	17:54
timeless_mbp	my mac is going to die now	17:54
johnsu01	So it seems like more than half the time when I read mail with modest, it doesn't end up marking the messages as read on the server	17:54
timeless_mbp	it's going to meet 10.6 on a new hdd	17:54
aquatix	johnsu01: there's a bug on that	17:55
tybollt	timeless_mbp: mmmh, new hdd drools SSD by any chance?	17:55
aquatix	i had the same issue years ago :)	17:55
johnsu01	aquatix: not such a good issue for a mobile mail client to have :)	17:55
* Arif_ yawns		17:56
aquatix	nope, but has to do with them uptimising bandwidth usage	17:56
timeless_mbp	tybollt: no	17:56
timeless_mbp	my 300gb hdd is dying, ssd would be expensive and smaller	17:56
johnsu01	aquatix: any ideas how to work around it? I mean, it has the correct information locally, so I wonder if there's a way to force it to submit the info	17:56
timeless_mbp	so i got a 500gb hdd replacement	17:56
timeless_mbp	bye all :)	17:56
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derf	I saw a 512 GB SSD the other day.	17:56
tybollt	timeless: think cheap SSD to boot from and then cheap regular TB sata disk for storage	17:57
Arif_	a 160GB SSD for OS/games + 2TB for data would be enough I guesss	17:57
Arif_	:D	17:57
tybollt	arif++	17:57
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derf	512 GB SSD: $1462.92.	17:58
tybollt	o_O	17:58
Arif_	lol	17:58
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derf	I think the one I saw was cheaper, but you had to buy a laptop with it.	17:58
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Kegetys	I have 64GB SSD for OS+apps and then 1TB HDD for games, media, etc. on my main desktop	17:59
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Arif_	I wonder if SSDs will decrease load times in games	17:59
nid0	significantly	17:59
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GeneralAntilles	My X25-M is amazing	18:08
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* aquatix thinks about getting an x18-m		18:09
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: that 2nd gen version?	18:09
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GeneralAntilles	aquatix, yeah, 80GB G2.	18:09
Arif_	hm	18:10
* Arif_ considers buying a new monitor		18:10
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, I'd wait until Summer at this point.	18:10
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GeneralAntilles	They should start dropping fast soon.	18:10
Arif_	22" is too small now ;(	18:10
GeneralAntilles	Yo, timeless.	18:10
juhovh	2	18:10
GeneralAntilles	Er, timsamoff.	18:10
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: ah, that'd be nice	18:10
GeneralAntilles	Arif_, Samsung 2343bwx	18:10
GeneralAntilles	22" is a terrible size	18:10
aquatix	and i can't seem to find the 2nd gen version of the x18-m yet here	18:10
GeneralAntilles	Since it's just a lower-PPI version of a 20" :P	18:10
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, with the 1.8"?	18:11
Arif_	I was thinking of a 32" TV with HDMI	18:11
timsamoff	Er, GeneralAntilles	18:11
aquatix	24" and bigger++	18:11
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aquatix	GeneralAntilles: yeah	18:11
nid0	I had to send back a batch of x25's to nokia last year :(	18:11
aquatix	Arif_: that's still only 1920x1080	18:11
nid0	intel*	18:11
Arif_	aquatix, this one's 1650x1080 :P	18:11
aquatix	meh :)	18:11
* aquatix likes his 24" 1920x1200 at work		18:11
nomis	Omweather automatic location totally fails on me. I don't get what is happening there.	18:12
aquatix	like my home tft even better ;)	18:12
Arif_	=}	18:12
* Arif_ is poor and can't update so often :P		18:12
nid0	nomis it messes up for me regularly too, I switched to forecaweather	18:12
* aquatix is broke now too ;)		18:12
* nomis is located in the middle of Siegen, Germany and OMWeather shows me weather information for Haguenau, which I suspect to be in france.		18:12
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GeneralAntilles	aquatix, er, s/with/why/	18:12
nid0	every so often omweather just randomly records me as being the other end of the country for several hours at a time	18:12
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aquatix	GeneralAntilles: because my ultraportable now has an 1.8" hdd	18:13
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aquatix	which... sucks :)	18:13
Hydroxide	nomis: wikipedia confirms your suspicion	18:13
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, interesting.	18:13
* Arif_ doesn't have omweather on at all		18:13
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* Arif_ has a window he can look out of :D		18:13
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: I have a Samsung X360 laptop	18:13
aquatix	nice little thing, but i should've bought the one with the ssd ;)	18:13
aquatix	but this was expensive as-is :(	18:13
Hydroxide	for me it gets the GPS location right, at least to within the correct city, but I did have to switch away from nokia's SUPL server to google's because of some issue with nokia's SUPL server on t-mobile USA. (already documented in bugs.maemo.org)	18:13
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* Arif_ has an X360 but it's not a laptop :(		18:14
Hydroxide	(the GPS actually works fine in general after that switch)	18:14
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nid0	I assume there must be an error in the database somewhere because when it gets my location wrong it always points me to one little village in scotland somewhere	18:14
aquatix	Arif_: googling for "hdd and x360" sucks indeed ;)	18:14
nid0	rather than a gps fault as such	18:14
nomis	Hydroxide: I have confirmed that the information from the GPS subsystem is correct.	18:14
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, isn't Samsung bundling their own crappy SSDs, though?	18:14
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, I don't think any OEMs are shipping Intels.	18:15
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: yeah, but the version with the ssd was 450 EUR more expensive	18:15
aquatix	so i went with the hdd version	18:15
aquatix	true	18:15
GeneralAntilles	The Samsung SSD is about the worst one available	18:15
aquatix	so now i'm thinking about getting that intel	18:15
aquatix	ah :)	18:15
aquatix	well, glad i didn't go with it then	18:15
GeneralAntilles	Indilinx is better	18:15
GeneralAntilles	But no OEMs ship that, either.	18:15
GeneralAntilles	Intel is the best, currently.	18:15
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, it's weird	18:15
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ShadowJK	I think the jmicron ones are worse than samsung?	18:16
GeneralAntilles	The SSDs that OEMs ship often have WORSE performance than magnetic media.	18:16
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, they are, but do they still make them?	18:16
ShadowJK	shrug	18:16
GeneralAntilles	Either way, yeah JMicron on the worst.	18:16
GeneralAntilles	Samsung really isn't far behind, though.	18:16
ShadowJK	GeneralAntilles, it's the staring-at-benchmarks syndrome anyway... people were staring blindly at sequential read/write speeds.. and alot still are	18:16
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GeneralAntilles	aquatix, the two AnandTech articles are pretty much the be-all-end-all on the subject of SSDs.	18:17
GeneralAntilles	ShadowJK, indeed.	18:17
GeneralAntilles	The Intel ones are just unreal, though.	18:17
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GeneralAntilles	I'm glad I have some real drives in this computer, though.	18:18
aquatix	ah, just found a 1.8" postville	18:18
aquatix	210 EUR	18:18
aquatix	hm	18:18
tybollt	All I know about SSD is ... BY GOD don't buy anything (typically early OCZ drivers) w/ a jmicron controller and you're reasonably safe.	18:18
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: :)	18:18
GeneralAntilles	I find my Mini 9 utterly unsettling since it has no moving parts.	18:18
aquatix	ghehe	18:18
nid0	this machine only has an intel ssd and velociraptor \o/	18:18
aquatix	yeah, i have that too	18:18
tybollt	GeneralAntilles: You've the mini9 too? ssd or hdd?	18:18
GeneralAntilles	tybollt, the Mini 9 only ever came with SSD.	18:18
aquatix	tybollt: no moving parts ;)	18:18
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tybollt	GeneralAntilles: I've been contemplating putting a crucial N215 in there	18:19
GeneralAntilles	tybollt, haven't heard anything about the Crucials	18:20
tybollt	GeneralAntilles: BUT I can't for the life of me find a doc describing what cotnroller it has... so I'm just guessing Curcial ain't saying on account of it being the shoddy jmicron shit...	18:20
GeneralAntilles	RunCore is generally the recommended one for speed	18:20
GeneralAntilles	But they're expensive.	18:20
johnsu01	aquatix: when I had a 1.8, a put a dual CF adapter in the drive bay, with 2 16GB CF cards :)	18:20
johnsu01	worked out really well	18:21
tybollt	GeneralAntilles: the crucial N215 (32GB) is <100EUR over here... so I'm very very tempted >:)	18:21
aquatix	johnsu01: hm	18:21
aquatix	johnsu01: somehow i think i can better get an x18-m	18:22
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aquatix	more expensive though	18:22
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, it's like a whole new world of computing	18:22
tybollt	I was kind of hoping to keep the Mini 9 mini wrt the price tag too ;P	18:22
aquatix	johnsu01: otherwise i'd rather stick with the hdd :)	18:22
GeneralAntilles	and that's coming off a dual-drive RAID0 in a desktop.	18:22
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ShadowJK	you know, the first indilinx were optimized for sequential too, until anandtech tested a prototype from OCZ and told them "this sucks"..	18:22
GeneralAntilles	For a laptop. . . .	18:22
aquatix	GeneralAntilles: :)	18:22
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ShadowJK	it's not inconceivable that there's a vendor out there stupid enough to go for the sequential speed benchmarks again	18:23
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aquatix	yep	18:23
jaska	if theyre making ssd tape drives?:D	18:24
tybollt	vnedors stupid... naaaaaw - NEVARH HAPPENED!	18:24
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johnsu01	aquatix: yes, about 5x the price of the homebrew solution :)	18:25
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johnsu01	and the homebrew is expandable	18:25
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Corsac	and slow?	18:26
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aquatix	johnsu01: and 10x as slow	18:27
aquatix	and 2.3x as little storage :)	18:27
aquatix	not that it's no fun ;)	18:28
johnsu01	that difference in drive speed is the bottleneck on your ultraportable? :)	18:28
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aquatix	yep	18:28
aquatix	it's plenty fast	18:29
johnsu01	skeptical :)	18:29
aquatix	ulv 1.2GHz c2d	18:29
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aquatix	able to do h264 720p and more	18:29
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aquatix	but the hdd is trashing when booting	18:29
aquatix	and such	18:29
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johnsu01	yeah, that's why I replaced the horrible 1.8" HD in my X40, and that made a huge difference because the drive was only 4200rpm -- but I'm less sure that the difference between SSD speeds would make such a difference	18:31
Arif_	hmm	18:32
Arif_	VGBA just crashed on me	18:32
Arif_	;(	18:32
aquatix	Arif_: aww :)	18:32
Arif_	and the sound still sucks ;D	18:33
aquatix	Arif_: then fix it ;)	18:33
Arif_	how	18:33
aquatix	dunno	18:33
aquatix	never used it even	18:33
matthew-	Anyone uses AIM here? I've got a problem, when I add account it says 'Not Signed In' instead of Enabled.... Any ideas why?	18:33
Arif_	I'll just wait a few versions untill it's usable	18:33
Arif_	I'll play SNES/NES/GBC untill then!	18:34
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Arif_	and WHY hasn't anyone proter picodrive yet ;~;	18:34
Arif_	I wanna play Sonic 3 ={	18:34
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aquatix	GeneralAntilles: i might wait till summer then :)	18:35
* Arif_ continues his ramblings		18:35
Arif_	;P	18:35
aquatix	Arif_: :)	18:35
aquatix	we continue to ignore them ;)	18:36
aquatix	hf though	18:36
Arif_	you do that!	18:36
Arif_	just like nokia does ;~;	18:36
aquatix	ghehe	18:36
GeneralAntilles	aquatix, hopefully they drop soon.	18:36
GeneralAntilles	The last prediction was for Winter 2009, but that really didn't pan out.	18:36
GeneralAntilles	A process shrink is coming soon, too, I think.	18:36
aquatix	ah	18:36
Arif_	oh, yay	18:37
aquatix	well	18:37
Arif_	Ovi added a Shrek 4 trailer!	18:37
aquatix	if there's a G3 soonish, i'll get a G2 then :)	18:37
tybollt	g2?	18:38
tybollt	gen2 of what?	18:38
GeneralAntilles	X25-M	18:38
tybollt	ah	18:38
tybollt	yeah	18:38
GeneralAntilles	Well, X18	18:38
* tybollt keep hoping for lots of new gens (so the old ones drop considerably in price ;)		18:38
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GeneralAntilles	Didn't pan out for the G1s.	18:39
aquatix	tybollt: my idea	18:39
aquatix	but i might get a x18-m g2 soonish anyway	18:39
Andy80	is it just my impression or... when I run an application inside Scratchbox+Xephyr it doesn't run in "full colors" ? It looks like 256 colors or something similar... is there a way to make it looks exacly like N900?	18:39
tybollt	my brother got the X25 I think, 40G intel ssd	18:39
tybollt	it was silly expensive	18:39
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GeneralAntilles	About $100 in the US	18:40
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GeneralAntilles	Assuming you can find it in stock.	18:40
nid0	i'd be kinda dubious of being an early adopter of the next gens of intel ssd's from now on though tbh	18:40
nid0	at least for a while	18:40
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aquatix	anyway, i'm off	18:40
tybollt	Intel ssd has good reputation - non?	18:40
aquatix	ciao :)	18:40
aquatix	tybollt: yep	18:40
tybollt	Except that silly firmware FAIL	18:40
nid0	generally yes, very	18:40
nid0	but the firmware brickage = big fail	18:41
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tybollt	nid0: ACK, granted that of course >:)	18:41
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tybollt	oh la la	18:41
* tybollt is headed for the HW shop right now actually		18:42
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JimiDini	hi	18:47
* JimiDini needs some volunteers ;)		18:47
JimiDini	we deployed OpenID Provider functionality at maemo.org today and would be cool if you could give it a test	18:47
JimiDini	specifically, I am interested in 2 things:	18:48
JimiDini	1) try to log in somewhere using just "maemo.org" as OpenId url	18:48
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JimiDini	2) try to log in using your full OpenID identity-url, which you can find here: http://maemo.org/openid/	18:49
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hrw	http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2007/11/openid/ passed	18:50
hrw	with my maemo openid	18:50
GeneralAntilles	Works on meego.com with the full URL.	18:50
GeneralAntilles	"OpenID authentication failed: No matching endpoint found after discovering http://maemo.org/openid/id/generalantilles/" on hrw's link.	18:51
nid0	hrw's link works for me	18:51
nid0	meego.com fails, im already registered there separately though	18:51
GeneralAntilles	Adding an OpenID to my existing account on meego.com worked.	18:52
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: and short-url?	18:52
JimiDini	nid0: it fails on meego side or on maemo side? ;)	18:53
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, tried it with "maemo.org" and "http://maemo.org" on hrw's link, both failed with that error.	18:53
nid0	meego side sorry, it just recognises that the email addy's already registered - going to try adding to my existing meego.com acct now	18:53
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GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, short URL works on meego.com, however.	18:53
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: weird… well, probably that test-server has limitation on nick-length…	18:54
nid0	both types of login work fine on claimid.com	18:56
JimiDini	error could be related to old version of php-openid on that site also	18:56
JimiDini	nid0: thanks	18:56
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JimiDini	I guess it kinda works™ ;) back to hacking	19:00
JimiDini	if there are any problems — ping me	19:00
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GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, we want a Bugzilla component?	19:01
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all maemo.org resources, which is supposed completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.	19:03
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JimiDini	s/supposed/supposed to work/	19:03
infobot	JimiDini meant: GeneralAntilles: that's a separate story. there's a long-hanging SSO project for all maemo.org resources, which is supposed to work completely transparently. it's half-ready, but still is not there.	19:03
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GeneralAntilles	Er, for OpenID bugs. ;)	19:03
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JimiDini	ah… :)	19:04
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GeneralAntilles	Up to you, it's something I can help with, though, so I figure I'd offer. ;)	19:04
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JimiDini	well, this component is not maemo.org specific. bugs can be reported here: http://trac.midgard-project.org/	19:05
JimiDini	though, probably something at bugzilla would be useful too	19:05
JimiDini	trac is for more technical reports	19:05
GeneralAntilles	Ah, yes, true.	19:06
* GeneralAntilles often forgets about Midgard upstream. ;)		19:07
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: in this case component was developed because it was needed at maemo.org, but still it is generic :)	19:10
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gouverneur	and again no response from talk...	19:24
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JimiDini	gouverneur: same here. X-Fade probably knows the reason, but he is away	19:26
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pupnik	i wonder what would happen if the community just continued to use the term "maemo" to refer to any nokia linux OS	19:27
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pupnik	bad pupnik	19:28
GeneralAntilles	Mass confusion	19:28
GeneralAntilles	Possibly cease and desist letters. :P	19:28
TomaszD	fiferboy, fiferboy_n900 how's the transifex work going?	19:28
frals	http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 pretty interesting stuff	19:29
fiferboy_n900	TomaszD: on hold while I search for a job	19:29
TomaszD	fiferboy_n900, IRL job?	19:29
fiferboy_n900	TomaszD: yes	19:30
TomaszD	fiferboy_n900, alright, good luck then	19:30
JimiDini	frals: yup. read it :) it was posted on proggit several days ago	19:30
fiferboy_n900	Thanks	19:30
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Arif_	ha	19:31
Arif_	the NES and GB emulators have an L and R button!	19:31
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pupnik	i would love to get only posts from a small positive list of users on t.m.o	19:34
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RST38h	pupnik: why not create an invitation only forum?	19:41
pupnik	the useful posts should be seen by all	19:41
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LuciusMare	Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for serial communication only?	19:43
pupnik	the moderators have helped somewhat. merging new threads into existing ones does help a bit	19:43
cehteh	is there any script or hook or whatever called when the internet connection changes?	19:43
GeneralAntilles	frals, interesting.	19:43
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LuciusMare	I want to use the audio jack for serial communication, since there is no serial console on n900	19:44
pupnik	LuciusMare: is there a url describing serial over headphones?	19:44
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pupnik	pulse is flexible enough to do that	19:45
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LuciusMare	Nope, it is just my idea, and i think it was even accepted here on #maemo	19:45
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GeneralAntilles	LuciusMare, serial pads are under the battery.	19:45
hrw	have a nice rest of day	19:46
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LuciusMare	yes, but aren't they used for kernel debugging only?	19:46
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wumao	how can I access /home/user/ directory of n900 on pc?	19:47
LuciusMare	wumao: mount bind?	19:47
nid0	install rootsh and use winscp	19:48
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GeneralAntilles	s/rootsh/openssh/	19:48
wumao	I want to copy something into that directory	19:48
LuciusMare	heh, yeah, i thought of "on a pc" as "over usb"	19:48
RST38h	pupnik: A Google Group that is invitation only will be visible to everyone but only invited people will post	19:48
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wumao	yes, i connect with usb, mass mode	19:49
LuciusMare	No chance of getting the n900 on your network?	19:49
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wumao	what do you mean by network?	19:50
LuciusMare	LAN	19:50
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wumao	is it possible to transfer file into home/user directory through usb? like the other mobile phones	19:51
nomis	wumao: you can transfer them to home/user/MyDocs.	19:52
nid0	into /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs?	19:52
wumao	yes, how to do that? i cant even find the path from the pc	19:52
LuciusMare	heh	19:53
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LuciusMare	the /home/user/MyDocs is that 30GB partition you get	19:53
LuciusMare	when using usb mass storage	19:53
nomis	wumao: plug in the USB, select "Mass Storage Mode" on the device, then you get two devices on the PC.	19:53
gouverneur	wumao: you need to setup usbnetworking and scp the files! not in massstorage mode	19:53
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nomis	gouverneur: huh?	19:54
gouverneur	nomis: LuciusMare if you have no clue just sh...	19:54
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LuciusMare	gouverneur: not really, he can transfer it to mydocs, and to ~ and vice versa	19:54
wumao	but when I sent up the usbnetworking, connect with pc suit mode, i cant see any device shown on my pc	19:54
LuciusMare	gouverneur: exactly my point	19:54
wazd	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trxUnbZzuTs heh	19:55
gouverneur	massstorage does export MyDocs and SD nothing else	19:55
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nid0	wumao is it /home/user or /home/user/MyDocs you want to access. the difference is pretty important.	19:55
LuciusMare	exactly	19:55
LuciusMare	gouverneur: what do you have against the solution of transfering the file to mydocs, and copying to ~?	19:55
wumao	ok, i think mydoc is much safer	19:55
nid0	to get to mydocs, just plug the phone in in mass storage mode	19:56
nid0	and it shows up.	19:56
nid0	all there is to it	19:56
LuciusMare	Then, open xterm, and copy the files from MyDocs to your home	19:56
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gouverneur	LuciusMare: lame I get slower in typing over the day... 9h kbd now.. should go home...	19:57
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gouverneur	I was at 'MyDocs' when you hit enter	19:57
LuciusMare	wumao: I might be too curious, but what exaclty do you need to copy to your home?	19:57
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wumao	luciusMare, just wonder whether this is a handy way to build binary file on device	19:58
gouverneur	wumao: lol what do you want to build	19:59
LuciusMare	that is yet another problem, but i am sure there was a thread on tmo (talk.maemo.org)	19:59
wumao	a simple helloworld app	19:59
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gouverneur	you can do that at MyDocs... doesnt need to be home	20:00
wumao	ok, after i connect with usb, mass mode, i can see N900 on pc	20:01
wumao	enter N900, i can see some directories like DCIM, cities,MAC OS	20:02
LuciusMare	The devices you see, one of them is your memory card, while the other is mydocs,perfectly accessible from the tablet	20:02
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LuciusMare	Yes, the N900 is probably the mydocs	20:02
LuciusMare	just being curious, what os do you run?	20:02
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wumao	windows, with virtual machine running linuxe	20:03
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LuciusMare	i usually prefer it reversed, but whatever O:)	20:03
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cehteh	anyone here good with openvpn ... i have problems when switching the connection	20:10
LuciusMare	Hi, can i somehow force the tablet to the state when the headphones are plugged in, while all sounds will be sent to the repros, leaving the headphones for only manually choosed sounds?	20:10
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wumao	I think N900 is exactly MyDocs	20:12
wumao	I could find the file there	20:12
wumao	but when I try ./myapp, the terminal show : Permission denied	20:13
wumao	why?	20:13
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LuciusMare	not set as executable?	20:13
LuciusMare	chmod +x file	20:14
wumao	executable (application/x-executable)	20:14
sar3th	hey	20:15
LuciusMare	yes, that is the filetype	20:15
lcuk	wumao, MyDocs is marked noexec	20:15
sar3th	i need a bit of git help please	20:15
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sar3th	i can't git pull	20:15
lcuk	put binary into /home/user and chmod +x it	20:15
LuciusMare	do you know what does executable mean?	20:15
LuciusMare	oh	20:15
LuciusMare	lcuk: thanks	20:15
sar3th	error message is:	20:15
sar3th	<file> not update. cannot merge	20:15
andrewfblack	Stskeeps: Bug Bug Bug?	20:15
wumao	ok	20:16
* RST38h moos at lcuk		20:16
lcuk	hiya RST38h	20:17
* lcuk moos contentedly		20:17
wumao	:) how to copy the file from home/user/MyDocs to home/user? some commad like cp /home/user/MyDocs/myapp/ /home/user/myapp?	20:18
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LuciusMare	exactly	20:18
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LuciusMare	but you can save your fingers by typing: cp MyDocs/myapp .	20:19
LuciusMare	when you are at your home directory	20:19
LuciusMare	you know, that is a question about shell basics, more like for ##linux	20:19
lcuk	how is appp formed?	20:19
LuciusMare	lcuk: your parents didn't give you "the talk" ?	20:20
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lcuk	how n900 get pragnent?	20:20
LuciusMare	:P	20:20
Myrtti	it's like, lame	20:20
Myrtti	http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/	20:20
lcuk	wumao, how did you get the app into mydocs i nthe first place	20:21
RST38h	Myrtti: Perligata is better	20:21
wumao	cool, after chmod +x file, the app runs!	20:22
wumao	just connect the phone with pc using usb, mass mode	20:22
wumao	copy the file into the N900 disk	20:22
lcuk	that will become tiresome ;)	20:22
lcuk	install ssh and use scp	20:22
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LuciusMare	Myrtti: That is hilariously funny, i think it is a great idea that makes a nice parody.	20:23
LuciusMare	Erm, yo.	20:23
nid0	lcuk: that was the very first suggestion quite a while ago, he wanted usb	20:23
wumao	yes, actually am studying that as well	20:23
nid0	scp wasnt suitable I guess :>	20:23
lcuk	nid0, lol	20:23
RST38h	Myrtti: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html	20:23
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lcuk	wumao, are you a windows user at heart?	20:23
wumao	yes	20:24
* lcuk nods		20:24
lcuk	i was the same	20:24
lcuk	this place changes you	20:24
LuciusMare	:D	20:24
wumao	I never learn linux before I got the n900	20:24
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wumao	so much to learn	20:24
lcuk	snap :) good luck with it	20:24
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wumao	anyway, thank you all.	20:24
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lcuk	yeah its an uphill stretch coming from windows, but soon you will get it	20:24
LuciusMare	wumao: do not hesistate to ask at #linux :P	20:25
nid0	windows users is what winscp is for :>	20:25
nid0	otherwise, it's just scp.	20:25
wumao	sure :)	20:25
wumao	i have tried madde for a while	20:25
lcuk	i did most of liqbase dev with winscp explorer window	20:25
LuciusMare	woot	20:26
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wumao	but it seems not stable at all	20:26
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frals	lcuk: hehe, thats how i do fmms	20:26
lcuk	frals i never checked	20:26
lcuk	whats fmms written in	20:26
frals	python!	20:26
lcuk	heh so you scp to device and edit still in windows	20:27
frals	yeah	20:27
lcuk	cool, what editor do you use	20:27
frals	textpad :D	20:27
LuciusMare	emacs	20:27
lcuk	:D	20:27
LuciusMare	:_	20:27
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frals	god im going crazy	20:32
frals	like i post in fmms thread "please post log or i have no idea whats wrong"	20:33
frals	AND THE VERY NEXT POST GOES "plz help its not working i get download error"	20:33
sar3th	aaw frals	20:33
nid0	thats forums and users for you	20:33
sar3th	that's people :(	20:33
nid0	welcome to teh internets	20:33
* frals introduces head to desk. commence bashing		20:33
RST38h	frals: It is ok, ignore 'em	20:33
RST38h	frals: There are basically too outcomes: either there is more than one idiots in the thread and they start helping each other	20:34
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RST38h	frals: Or the idiot posts 3-4 increasingly desperate requests in all caps and disappears	20:34
TomaszD	has anyone checked the rep counter app in testing? it's great	20:35
nid0	3 would be give popular applications their own subforum and the app's maintainer mod access to it	20:35
TomaszD	I don't want a subforum	20:35
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frals	i want people to atleast read the first and last post of a thread before replying, but i wish for too much :P	20:36
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frals	RST38h: yeah, im starting to do that now :<	20:36
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GAN900	frals, I want ponies too. :P	20:38
frals	:P	20:38
frals	GAN900: you get me users who read before asking questions, ill get you a pony, deal?	20:38
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GAN900	frals, I think we're going to both be left feeling very unfulfilled in this endeavour.	20:40
frals	GAN900: im afraid so :(	20:40
* wazd thanks gizmodo for answering one of his most important questions in life		20:40
wazd	oh, and titanium iPhone is fake, as expected :(	20:42
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frals	wazd: whats your most important question in life? :p	20:44
nid0	titanium iphone case = hi even worse terrible reception	20:44
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wazd	frals: no, question was "How game studios record car engines for their sims" :)	20:45
frals	hehe	20:45
wazd	oh, today is actually Steve Jobs birthday	20:46
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Xisdibik	wazd: carbonsteel iphone?	20:49
SpeedEvil	Diamond iphone.	20:49
Xisdibik	I heard Lady GaGa has that	20:49
SpeedEvil	I mean solid diamond.	20:49
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SpeedEvil	make the case out of artificial diamond	20:49
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wazd	Xisdibik: it can be carbon, but, as titanium, it's waaaay tooo difficult to produce it :)	20:50
Xisdibik	wazd: ;)	20:50
wazd	Xisdibik: that's why I was sure it's fake :)	20:50
Xisdibik	SpeedEvil: if there going through that trouble might as well make hte chips and such diamond, faster speed then ;)	20:50
RST38h	moo wazd	20:50
RST38h	wazd: how are things?	20:50
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wazd	RST38h: heya :) Well, comme ca :)	20:51
RST38h	wazd: goigng to attend the Maemo dev event at the end of March?	20:52
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wazd	RST38h: I haven't received confirmation :)	20:52
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wazd	RST38h: and it would be boring GTK lecture that I already heard in SPB, so I can just come to the afterparty :P	20:53
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dracflamloc	so	20:54
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dracflamloc	whats the best mp3 player for n900	20:54
GAN900	wazd, microphones? :P	20:55
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GAN900	Somebody had a piece about how Turn 10 collected their stuff for Forza years ago	20:55
GAN900	Interesting stuff.	20:55
SpeedEvil	dracflamloc: the inbuilt one mostly works for me.	20:55
wazd	GAN900: well, yeah :D but it's not that easy, as I expected :)	20:56
GAN900	Nope	20:56
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Arif_	hmm	20:57
Arif_	where's shuffle in kmplayer	20:57
dracflamloc	hm	20:57
dracflamloc	see	20:57
dracflamloc	maybe im missing something	20:57
dracflamloc	but my music doesnt seem to be pulling in correctly	20:58
wazd	GAN900: but this question was disturbing my mind since I've played NFS: Shift, cause sound there was ultra-realistic	20:58
SpeedEvil	http://xkcd.com/ Free as in ...	20:58
SpeedEvil	:)	20:58
SpeedEvil	Sound is smoother if you add rsize=8192	20:58
dracflamloc	'unknown artist' has 10,000 entries	20:59
dracflamloc	and im pretty sure its reading in sound files from games or something	20:59
dracflamloc	can i tell it to ignore certain folders	20:59
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dracflamloc	when you select delete in the media player, does it actually delete the files?	21:01
* SpeedEvil cures andrewfblacks boredom.		21:01
* SpeedEvil puts down the container labelled ants.		21:02
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GAN900	wazd, NFS: Shift is unplayable	21:03
RST38h	wazd: ah there will be a confirmation and a boring qt lecture afaik ::)	21:03
GAN900	wazd, I've been driving sims since the 90s and I just smack into one wall after another in Shift.	21:04
RST38h	wazd: Actually they have got a list of lectures, some boring others should be ok	21:04
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RST38h	GAN, wazd: RALLY-X!	21:04
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wazd	GAN900: I'm dreaming of buying G25, but I've played with simple keyboard it it worked fine	21:05
wazd	GAN900: try to enable some aids :P	21:06
GeneralAntilles	wazd, driving aids?	21:06
GeneralAntilles	Pfft	21:06
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wazd	GeneralAntilles: well, it's near impossible to trive without them with keyboard :)	21:06
wazd	drive*	21:06
GeneralAntilles	wazd, I drove sims with a keyboard, too.	21:07
wazd	GeneralAntilles: have you got wheel?	21:07
GeneralAntilles	Although with ABS and TCS.	21:07
GeneralAntilles	wazd, had one, sold it.	21:07
GeneralAntilles	Logitech MOMO	21:07
GeneralAntilles	I learned on a gamepad and still drive best with one.	21:07
GeneralAntilles	360 gamepad for both my 360 and my Mac.	21:07
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wazd	GeneralAntilles: hmmm	21:08
wazd	GeneralAntilles: is it worth dreaming of wheel? :)	21:08
Kegetys	if you get a wheel then at least play some proper sims	21:08
GeneralAntilles	wazd, not sure.	21:08
jo-erlend	on Nokia N900, can I install other operating systems? When MeeGo is released, for instance?	21:08
GeneralAntilles	I wouldn't start with the G25. :P	21:08
Corsac	jo-erlend: maybe	21:08
GeneralAntilles	Though, actually, I'd love to try a wheel with a proper clutch.	21:08
jo-erlend	Corsac, maybe?	21:08
GeneralAntilles	but I really didn't use it much	21:08
Corsac	GeneralAntilles: remind me to not get in a car with you :)	21:08
GeneralAntilles	It's a pain to set up and take down all of the time.	21:09
GeneralAntilles	Corsac, fly-by-wire.	21:09
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: you can install them - that is there is nothing precluding you doing so.	21:09
GeneralAntilles	Corsac, it's like Men in Black. :P	21:09
wazd	GeneralAntilles: well, I want to buy used g25 for like 200 bucks	21:09
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: they simply have to be made to run on it	21:09
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GeneralAntilles	Corsac, no, but I have no trouble using a wheel and pedals in a car. ;)	21:09
RST38h	RALLY-X, you fanatics!	21:09
ScribbleJ	jo-erlend, it's too early to say for MeeGo. In theory, probably? But there is nothing to stop you from hacking something in there. You saw someone got Android going on the N900? I think just in a chroot, but still.	21:09
jo-erlend	SpeedEvil, right. But I do get access to the interal storage so that I can install it?	21:09
RST38h	(the last driving sim I ever had fun playing)	21:09
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: yes	21:10
ScribbleJ	jo-erlend, yes, you have access to everything.	21:10
jo-erlend	using usb, or how?	21:10
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: n900 is much closer to a 'normal' PC linux than most phones.	21:10
GeneralAntilles	wazd, unless you have a station that can be your driving rig then putting it up and taking it down all the time is just a pain.	21:10
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: add 'rootsh' package - open xterm - type root - and you're root.	21:10
Kegetys	doesnt take that long to lift it to the table and back for me	21:10
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GeneralAntilles	wazd, and I found I drove better with the pad even after months of practicing with the wheel.	21:10
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: and rootsh is in the default repositories	21:10
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wazd	RST38h: MicroMachines :D	21:12
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GeneralAntilles	wazd, see if you can't find one to play with before you buy.	21:12
wazd	RST38h: well, I can contact Timofey and ask him to register me anyway	21:12
SpeedEvil	RST38h: on fbreader - somewhat randomly - is there a way programatically to get it to go to next page?	21:12
wazd	GeneralAntilles: well, I think I saw some demo places for it	21:12
SpeedEvil	RST38h: dbus or something?	21:12
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GeneralAntilles	wazd, also, try a real damn sim. :P	21:13
jo-erlend	SpeedEvil, yes I know. But I don't understand how to start installing a new operating system on it.	21:13
wazd	GeneralAntilles: Live for Speed? :)	21:13
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, that's a good one.	21:13
GeneralAntilles	Buggy, but good.	21:13
wazd	GeneralAntilles: that's a helluva sim	21:13
wazd	GeneralAntilles: too complex for me :D	21:14
GeneralAntilles	Hehe	21:14
wazd	GeneralAntilles: I tried to play it online and was beaten like 3yo boy	21:14
SpeedEvil	jo-erlend: well - you can start by simply editing the init http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/	21:14
SpeedEvil	http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900/	21:14
GeneralAntilles	It takes a while to build up the skills for a real sim. ;)	21:14
SpeedEvil	for example.	21:14
wazd	GeneralAntilles: I was drunk for a week after that, it was really humilliating! :D	21:15
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RST38h	SpeedEvil" prolly no, sorry	21:15
RST38h	It has never been intended to work over dbus	21:15
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jo-erlend	SpeedEvil, ah.. I forgot about the microsdhc slot :)	21:16
SpeedEvil	RST38h: k. Wondering to change page over ssh.	21:16
SpeedEvil	RST38h: (n900 propped up next to bed - keyboard under covers)	21:16
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RST38h	SpeedEvil: more book.txt	21:18
wazd	GeneralAntilles: what game I'm dreaming of is an MMORacingSim where you just drive, like in the city :)	21:18
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GeneralAntilles	wazd, http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/testdriveunlimited/index.html with multiplayer? ;)	21:19
GeneralAntilles	wazd, or do you mean GTA? :D	21:19
SpeedEvil	RST38h: I suppose so - (but lynx) and xrnadr	21:19
wazd	GeneralAntilles: yeah, TDU was a close step	21:19
wazd	GeneralAntilles: no, with no guns, but with real physics and stuff	21:19
GeneralAntilles	Driver was nice like that	21:20
mtnbkr	wazd: I htink that is called "life" :)	21:20
GeneralAntilles	mtnbkr, yeah, but Ferraris cost money in "life". ;)	21:21
wazd	mtnbkr: well, Moscow traffic is way too nervous	21:21
SpeedEvil	GeneralAntilles: Only the ones with good locks.	21:21
GeneralAntilles	SpeedEvil, well, they all cost something.	21:21
mtnbkr	lol	21:21
GeneralAntilles	5-10 for those, maybe. ;)	21:21
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wazd	mtnbkr: even though I have full ensurance - it's still a bit tricky to drive for me :) That's why I'm not a fan of real driving :)	21:22
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GeneralAntilles	wazd, what, bad coordination? :P	21:23
wazd	GeneralAntilles: no, I actually park like god :D	21:24
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wazd	GeneralAntilles: just strange stance of mind	21:24
* GeneralAntilles always has to watch himself after long racing sessions.		21:25
wazd	GeneralAntilles: and all that infinite jams here are really boring	21:25
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wazd	GeneralAntilles: what I actually liked in HFS:S is in-car view. Really convincing	21:28
X-Fade	GeneralAntilles: Does tim still want his cloak? Freenode staff member contacted me. Tim didn't respond :)	21:28
GeneralAntilles	X-Fade, he does.	21:28
GeneralAntilles	He should be back for the meeting.	21:28
X-Fade	Ok.	21:29
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timeless	hey generalantilles	21:31
* timeless is now running 10.6.2 :o		21:31
GeneralAntilles	Weeee	21:31
GeneralAntilles	Finder sucks less, doesn't it?	21:31
timeless	what irc client should i use?	21:31
timeless	i'm trying limechat, it's a lemmon	21:31
Stskeeps	ssh and irssi?	21:31
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GeneralAntilles	timeless, Adium	21:31
GeneralAntilles	timeless, grab 1.5 from mercurial.	21:32
timeless	stskeeps: that's what i'm doing	21:32
timeless	generalantilles: err, i just grabbed 1.3.10 from their site..	21:32
* timeless wonders what happened to 1.4		21:32
GeneralAntilles	It's in beta	21:32
GeneralAntilles	Er, 1.4hg	21:32
timeless	does adium require a compiler?	21:32
JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: is adium's irc-support better than Colloquy?	21:33
timeless	i'm using my n900 for connectivity and don't have developer tools yet	21:33
* JimiDini uses Colloquy for many years and it works good		21:33
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, for the most part.	21:33
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, mostly it's not slow and leaky as hell.	21:33
GeneralAntilles	and netsplits don't make it SBBoD for 2 minutes.	21:33
GeneralAntilles	timeless, yeah, 1.4 will need XCode.	21:34
GeneralAntilles	Well, maybe not.	21:34
GeneralAntilles	Hang on	21:34
GeneralAntilles	http://adium.im/beta/	21:34
* timeless hangs		21:34
GeneralAntilles	I s/:/,/ for the tab-completion separator which I why I went with the CVS version.	21:35
Arif_	meh	21:35
Arif_	these spam merchants ont he forum are starting to annoy me	21:35
Arif_	:P	21:35
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Vanadis	hmm, how do i uninstall the preinstalled apps (blocks, chess, Mahjong)?	21:41
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GeneralAntilles	timeless, not sure if it does	21:42
GeneralAntilles	Grab the beta from the link http://adium.im/beta/	21:42
timeless	you mean i really need 1.4?	21:42
timeless	it'd downloading. 48s left	21:42
GeneralAntilles	IRC was new for 1.4	21:42
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lcuk	andrewfblack, polkadot, take existing theme and dottify it	21:46
andrewfblack	lcuk: Polkadot Maemo.org theme :)	21:46
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lcuk	andrewfblack, you may know, have we got an automatic background changer tool yet	21:47
lcuk	something to change them to subset of available panoramics	21:47
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andrewfblack	lcuk: nope not background tools yet	21:48
* andrewfblack really needs a pocket programmer		21:48
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: testing Adium for irc. looks good… but a bit too noisy, I think	21:50
integer`	how to regen menu file in maemo 4 ?	21:50
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, noisy?	21:50
andrewfblack	guess I'm going to buy a qt book this week	21:51
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, I recommend yMous for nick coloring, by the way.	21:51
JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: yes. Colloquy fits message on one line, Adium puts it on 2…	21:51
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, change the font size? :P	21:51
midas	n900 ftw	21:52
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JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: it's not font-size, it's "style", I guess (first line for nick, second for message)	21:52
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, oh, yeah, the default still is IM-friendly.	21:52
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: and how do i split things into multiple windows?	21:52
GeneralAntilles	JimiDini, install yMous	21:53
midas	one of the best things must be the possiblility to mount nfs shares :P	21:53
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, checking "Save opened chats when quitting" is the easy way under "General" in settings.	21:53
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: btw, i've already managed to crash adium once in this session (trying to save my nickserv password i guess)	21:53
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, drag the tabs around to move them into their own windows or add them to existing ones.	21:53
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, and install the yMous theme.	21:53
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timeless_mbp	how?	21:54
GeneralAntilles	http://www.adiumxtras.com/index.php?a=xtras&xtra_id=5474	21:54
GeneralAntilles	Click on "Install" in the right column there.	21:54
JimiDini	GeneralAntilles: yup. looks better (using for group-chats only for now)	21:55
timeless_mbp	ok, i did that	21:55
timeless_mbp	when does it take effect?	21:55
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JimiDini	timeless: it required disconnect/close irc-window/connect on my machine	21:56
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, after you pick it in prefs on new chat or restart	21:56
timeless_mbp	JimiDini: incredibly inconvenient	21:56
* JimiDini is awfully glad that he has irc-proxy installed and can use many irc-cliens for same sessions ;)		21:57
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, Colloquy had /reload style	21:57
GeneralAntilles	I think it's still being implemented for Adium.	21:57
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GeneralAntilles	Web coordination meeting in #meego-meeting in 3 minutes!	21:57
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timeless_mbp	well, at least dragging tabs in/out hasn't crashed it yet	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Ugh	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Colloquy	21:59
timeless_mbp	(that's something that generally kills colloquy)	21:59
GeneralAntilles	Yeah, Adium's pretty solid.	21:59
timeless_mbp	well, i've already crashed it once	21:59
timeless_mbp	so i'd hardly call it solid :)	21:59
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, I haven't crashed it in months and months.	22:00
timeless_mbp	where do bug reports go?	22:00
GeneralAntilles	But it's way more solid than Colloquy (not saying much I guess, but still).	22:00
timeless_mbp	indeed	22:00
timeless_mbp	it's too flashy	22:00
timeless_mbp	i don't like the numbers that change my tab width	22:00
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, trac.	22:01
timeless_mbp	ugh	22:01
timeless_mbp	if i pastebin my crash, can someone figure out if it's reported? :)	22:01
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, you can turn off that in Advanced	22:01
GeneralAntilles	Adium's pretty nicely configurable for the most part	22:01
GeneralAntilles	So just poke around in Settings if there's something you need to change.	22:02
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, bug #adium. ;)	22:02
timeless_mbp	#adium or #adium-dev* ?	22:03
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GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, hrm, I've always used #adium.	22:03
GeneralAntilles	Hadn't realized there were other channels.	22:03
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reggna	#maemo-devel	22:15
jo-erlend	what do the different colors of the led indicators mean on n900?	22:15
GeneralAntilles	jo-erlend, blue is a notification (SMS, IM, missed call, etc.)	22:15
GeneralAntilles	White is for powering up or powering down	22:15
GeneralAntilles	Orange is for charging	22:16
GeneralAntilles	Green is for charged	22:16
jo-erlend	ah, thanks. :)	22:16
corecode	is the source for the mail app available? i'm not yet comfortable in the maemo repos	22:16
ds3	and is red for overload?	22:16
jo-erlend	overload?	22:16
GeneralAntilles	ds3, red isn't defined for anything as far as I know.	22:16
ds3	or prehaps battery danger? ;)	22:16
GeneralAntilles	Red is for when an iPhone user gets too close.	22:16
GeneralAntilles	corecode, yes, it's called Modest	22:17
jo-erlend	:)	22:17
ds3	actually, can it do red?	22:17
GeneralAntilles	corecode, backend is tinymail.	22:17
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corecode	where do i find the sources?	22:17
ds3	a real question	22:17
corecode	i can't seem to find them on gitorious	22:17
ds3	does the N900 have all the functionality of the older N8xx's if there is no SIM in there or has nokia treated like a phone and locked out things?	22:18
GeneralAntilles	Think it's on Garage	22:18
Stskeeps	ds3: yes, except AGPS sucks a bit	22:18
Stskeeps	:P	22:18
jo-erlend	corecode, add an deb-src to sources.list?	22:18
GeneralAntilles	http://gitorious.org/modest/	22:18
timeless	ds3: the n900 doesn't have two sd card slots	22:19
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ds3	Stskeeps: is there a regular GPS?	22:19
timeless	so it doesn't have all the functionality of the n800	22:19
ds3	or is it tied to the phone network to get a lock?	22:19
timeless	nor does it have a mini sd slot, so it's missing functionality from the n810	22:19
ds3	timeless: yes, that and the lack of host mode is a sore spot	22:19
GeneralAntilles	ds3, only because the GPS is sucky.	22:19
corecode	somehow i have the feeling that it doesn't always connect to the wifi network available	22:19
jo-erlend	ds3, what kind of locks are you talking about? It seems very open.	22:19
corecode	but i have to do so manually	22:19
timeless	the n800 supported a swivel camera, the n900 doesn't have that :)	22:19
corecode	i guess that's known, is it?	22:19
Stskeeps	ds3: lock -helps a lot- :P	22:19
ds3	jo-erlend: some phones refuse to do anything w/o a valid sim	22:19
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GeneralAntilles	ds3, it'll work, but the chipset is intended for use with network assistance	22:20
GeneralAntilles	So it wont work WELL	22:20
ds3	gotcha	22:20
GeneralAntilles	Nothing's been intentionally locked out, however.	22:20
ds3	so I assume I can still pair up a BT GPS to replace it?	22:20
corecode	so how come modest is not on maemo.gitorious.org?	22:20
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, don't ask me. ;)	22:21
corecode	heh	22:21
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corecode	thanks anyways	22:21
corecode	that's good to know	22:21
ds3	or has the BT GPS bit been removed?	22:21
corecode	the sent-mail-not-on-imap issue is nasty	22:21
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GeneralAntilles	corecode, you could karma whore and file a bug on bugs.maemo.org about that.	22:21
corecode	nevermind :)	22:22
corecode	more important things to do (:/)	22:22
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GeneralAntilles	Er, the "Modest not in maemo.gitorious.org"	22:22
Klowner	obscure question, but anyone here using an N900 in Holland?	22:23
derf	ds3: BT GPS works fine with the N900.	22:23
jo-erlend	can I use the GPS on N900 on my laptop?	22:24
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Klowner	jo-erlend: I would suspect you could run gpsd on the n900 and then connect to it via usb-networking	22:25
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Klowner	..maybe	22:25
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jo-erlend	not via bt?	22:25
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Klowner	jo-erlend: it doesn't provide any gps-related bluetooth services as far as I'm aware, that'd be a nice thing to have though	22:27
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: how do i open a /query in adium?!	22:27
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, I think cmd-n does it.	22:27
jo-erlend	Klowner, but that's an OS issue?	22:27
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, I usually just fire them off and wait for the response to open a window.	22:27
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timeless_mbp	eww. yuck yuck	22:28
timeless_mbp	in colloquy, /query victim message opens a window w/ the message	22:28
timeless_mbp	which means i know i sent it	22:28
timeless_mbp	otherwise, i have no idea if / when i sent something	22:28
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, yeah, I know.	22:28
GeneralAntilles	One thing that bugs me	22:28
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GeneralAntilles	Try cmd-n for it.	22:28
GeneralAntilles	Maybe poke #adium about a better solution	22:28
GeneralAntilles	There may be a setting, dunno.	22:29
timeless_mbp	later	22:29
Klowner	jo-erlend: yeah. unless someone were to write an additional bluetooth service for the n900 which provided a bluetooth interface to the maemo location api stuff, such a thing seems theoretically possible	22:29
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jo-erlend	think I want to try Ubuntu MID on it. :)	22:33
hume	hi... I'm trying to connect my n900 to an ubuntu laptop, but it does not mount, neither in mass storage nor in PC-suite mode. Is there something I can do?	22:33
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Klowner	hume: it does the little pop-up pc-suite / mass storage selector when you plug it in?	22:34
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hume	Klowner, yes, and then I select one of them	22:34
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Klowner	hume: hm, on mine it pops up a thing in ubuntu asking what I'd like to do with the newly inserted device. open in f-spot, open folder, etc.	22:37
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hume	Klowner, right now I have it in mass storage mode. On the n900, when I click the small BT-symbol, it says "connected via USB, mass storage mode"	22:37
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corecode	wait what the n900 is not supported by the ovi pc suite?	22:37
hume	Klowner, hrm... ok.....could be my laptop, perhaps?	22:37
Klowner	hume: maybe, check dmesg and also make sure "Nokia N900" isn't listed in the "Places" section of your gnome menu	22:38
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adeus	sometime my ubuntu just does nothing	22:38
hume	another issue: when I browse to my google calendar on the N900, it shows in a simplified PDA-mode - how can I make the browser show it in normal mode	22:38
hume	?	22:38
adeus	booting helps	22:38
hume	Klowner, oops....it's there....ok...sp got mounted without any nautilus pop-up....interesting	22:39
hume	thanks......	22:39
Klowner	hume: not sure about google calendar, but I have my google calendar sync with the built-in calendar	22:39
hume	got any ideas on my browser - google-calendar issue?	22:39
hume	Klowner, how do you do that, it didn't know that worked....	22:40
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Klowner	hume: it works using the Mail For Exchange stuff	22:40
Klowner	there's instruction somewhere, I shall find them	22:41
Klowner	hume: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=5f92340e8dea5ed7&hl=en	22:41
corecode	sheesh	22:41
hume	Klowner, ok, i haven't got it to work. Is there a place in the Mail for Excange where i can choose which google cal is to be synced? that might be my problem, it might sync the wrong one	22:41
Klowner	instructions aren't very well written	22:41
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corecode	so, any idea how i can migrate my e51 messages to the n900?	22:42
GeneralAntilles	corecode, the migration assistant on S60 may help.	22:42
corecode	it did migrate the contacts	22:42
corecode	but not the messages	22:43
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hume	Klowner, no....but those are the ones I followed. but i think my issue is that I have several calendars	22:43
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Klowner	hume: ah, that may be, I'm not sure about what to do with multiple calendars	22:43
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hume	Klowner, thanks. I think I get it now	22:48
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Pronto\|n900	woooooot! got a socks5 proxy via ssh working on n900 meamo browser :D	22:49
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samosa	did not know n900 community was this big.	22:54
Texrat	wazd: here	22:55
wazd	Texrat: I've read your pdf :)	22:55
Texrat	and?	22:56
Texrat	(that was fast btw)	22:56
cpscotti	samosa: next thing we're going to write blog post condemning microsoft, boycott google and thus turn the internet in a better place. (lol)	22:56
mtnbkr	cpscotti: you forgot Apple. :)	22:56
wazd	Texrat: you must know that PayPal doesn't work in some countries :)	22:56
samosa	lol	22:56
wazd	Texrat: so it will be impossible to manage donations like this for everyone :(	22:57
cpscotti	Apple is so worse than we won't even touch them.. we'll just let them kill themselves with their religious "non-porn" public	22:57
frals	pdf? what? where? whatabout?	22:57
Texrat	frals: http://maemo-daemons.org/MeeGo_User_Experience_Framework.pdf	22:59
frals	Texrat: ta	22:59
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Texrat	wazd: yes I know but this is just a start, with examples	22:59
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pupnik_	texrat! how you doin man?	23:01
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Texrat	pupnik: surviving	23:02
Texrat	you?	23:02
Arif_	cpscotti, but playboy is alright!	23:02
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cpscotti	Arif_: lol!	23:04
13WAAFQRH	http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2010/02/23/image/288459_CSS%20Mess.jpg	23:04
wazd	Texrat: ah, ok then :)	23:04
frals	Texrat: nice stuff	23:04
Arif_	oh great	23:05
Arif_	I thought I'd put some games on the N900	23:05
Arif_	and now I have over 3GB of ROMs	23:05
Arif_	:D	23:05
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Texrat	frals: thanks. suggestions welcome	23:07
jo-erlend	I should put my videos in /home/user/MyDocs/.video or somewhere else?	23:07
tank-man	lol, that jpg above is safe by the way	23:07
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Arif_	jo-erlend, as long as its somewhere on the 27GB partition	23:08
jo-erlend	Arif_, but I'd like the media to be available in the media player, without navigating to them in the file manager.	23:09
Arif_	doesn't matter	23:09
GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, save the specific stuff for another meeting. ;)	23:09
Arif_	they get indexed anyway	23:10
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corecode	does the maemo ovi maps version deal with offline maps?	23:11
GeneralAntilles	Yes	23:11
corecode	how do i get them?	23:11
corecode	i only seem to find symbian packages	23:11
GeneralAntilles	They usually come bundled for your region	23:11
GeneralAntilles	Not sure about downloading other regions or replacing lost regions.	23:11
frals	http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c	23:12
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jo-erlend	Arif_, that didn't happen here.	23:15
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Arif_	it did here!	23:15
cpscotti	frals: thanksss!	23:15
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corecode	heh oh wow	23:21
corecode	large maps	23:21
Arif_	Dutchland ýs only 60MB	23:22
dmj7261	igagis: I really like your theremin app	23:23
corecode	well, i'm downloading europe	23:23
corecode	and america	23:23
corecode	just to make sure :)	23:23
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Arif_	stop travelýng over býg mapped places :P	23:24
Arif_	yourope ýs 1.6GB or somethýng :o	23:24
corecode	are your accents a bit off?	23:24
corecode	:)	23:24
Arif_	someone stole the dot off my i apparently	23:24
Arif_	:D	23:24
igagis	dmj7261: :)	23:24
corecode	so should i get a microsd card?	23:25
corecode	or is that not necessary	23:25
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dmj7261	igagis: I downloaded the code and was looking at ways it could be improved.	23:25
Arif_	you can never have enough space	23:25
Arif_	but	23:25
Arif_	32GB is enough :P	23:25
lcuk	Arif_, i describe 32gb as a good start!	23:26
Arif_	yea	23:26
pupnik_	it is too much forf this tracker schema	23:26
Arif_	I only have 4GB left	23:26
jo-erlend	Arif_, perhaps it takes a while before the index is updated?	23:26
nid0	32gb is "about bearable if upnp works"	23:26
nid0	which it doesnt :<	23:26
dmj7261	igagis: Have you thought about improving the samples/synth?	23:26
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Arif_	jo-erlend, they showed up when I pulled out the USB	23:27
Arif_	you can try tracker-processes -r	23:27
Arif_	in terminal	23:27
igagis	dmj7261: well, synth is hard, it takes much cpu, and I don't know how to improve it actually	23:27
igagis	dmj7261: have you manged to build the code&	23:28
igagis	?	23:28
pupnik_	a TB303 / 808 jambox would be fun	23:28
pupnik_	wonder if they would consider a port of RubberDuck	23:28
dmj7261	Not yet. I downloaded it like 15 minutes ago and was digging in the synth code to see what you wrote there.	23:28
dmj7261	I've noticed that there seems to be a sort of glitching when you switch notes quickly.	23:29
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cpscotti	so people.. one question about garage.maemo developer philosophy; You have you mature software there, +15 votes: it's going for extras in no time (Q&A crit) to aid lots of users. Then you find a minor, hidden little bug.. you fix it and upload to -devel.	23:29
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igagis	dmj7261: I see, the code is now only for N900	23:29
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pupnik_	and the game starts anew cpscotti	23:29
cpscotti	Should you make everyone wait for another 20+ days to get it or you let the old version going and send the updated version after the first one hit extras.. relying on the update system..	23:29
dmj7261	I have the n900	23:29
dmj7261	no n8x0	23:29
igagis	dmj7261: in case you hav N8x) you have to ceckout some old rev then	23:29
igagis	dmj7261: that's fine	23:29
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cpscotti	pupnik_: didn't get it..	23:30
dmj7261	Wow, that violin sample is really odd.	23:30
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igagis	dmj7261: as soon you use some vibrato when playing violin sample it sounds a bit more like violin	23:31
pupnik_	cpscotti: i don't know how it works	23:31
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cpscotti	pupnik_: hmm.. the thing is.. the software is very useful, won't harm anyone and less than 5% of the users will note the little bug.. by then the new version has already hit extras..	23:32
nid0	largely depends on the bug I guess, if it's some minor functionality flaw that doesnt otherwise adversely affect the device, may as well let it go out and just get the next one going through the testing process	23:32
cpscotti	it is hard to decide	23:32
cpscotti	nid0: what I think! and that's exactly the case..	23:33
lcuk	pupnik_, khertan has been using pygame to great effect	23:33
cpscotti	but you know.. community.. it's better to ask	23:33
lcuk	have you got any experience with it	23:33
nid0	whats the package and the bug?	23:33
cpscotti	desktop-cmd-exec	23:33
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nid0	the top flaw?	23:34
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pupnik_	lcuk: yes he did nice game play for such a new app. i particularly like the high friction on the spaceship. makes control easy	23:34
Mousey	lol friction and spaceship in same sentence	23:34
* Mousey scoffs		23:34
cpscotti	the "update policy" was flawed so that if the user selected "don't matter" for network presence, the command would execute when there was a connection event	23:34
lcuk	do you wanna have a dig through here and see what looks uber cool? http://www.pygame.org/pcr/repository.php	23:35
pupnik_	feel free to make a realistic game Mousey	23:35
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lcuk	and where we might need work on	23:35
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dmj7261	you're right, still sounds a bit off	23:35
corecode	so do i need a class 4 sdhc card or will a class 2 do?	23:35
pupnik_	nice lcuk : bookmarked	23:36
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dmj7261	Perhaps add some vibrato to the keyboard?	23:36
nid0	just to store crap, class2's perfectly fine	23:36
Arif_	corecode, read reviews	23:36
matthew-	Any french people here?	23:36
Mousey	^_^	23:36
Arif_	class=MINIMUM speed	23:36
Arif_	some class 2s are better than class 6s	23:36
Arif_	:D	23:36
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pupnik_	lcuk: really, i need to focus more, not explore more	23:36
cpscotti	nid0: I answered ur question up there but forgot to "link" u	23:37
pupnik_	you saw what crap results i had on 770/810	23:37
dmj7261	igagis: Would better samples be useful do you think?	23:37
corecode	Arif_: i see	23:37
lcuk	ok pupnik_ just pondering how some of them look	23:37
Arif_	I have a class 2 kingston	23:38
Arif_	I get 10+MB/s :P	23:38
acidjazz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK4Rc0uuvIE&feature=player_embedded	23:38
nid0	cpscotti - yeah frankly a minor flaw like that, fwiw my answer would be get it into extras and get the qa process going on the next version	23:38
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cpscotti	nid0: thanks a lot..	23:38
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pupnik_	lcuk: did you try kobodeluxe yet? it is close to being one of the very best games for N900	23:40
lcuk	pupnik_, ive not had any time to try out almost anything recently	23:41
pupnik_	k, keep it in mind!	23:41
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lcuk	pupnik_, make a proper review posting about it	23:41
lcuk	your knowledge of gaming surpasses most anyone on this platform :)	23:42
corecode	so 32GB SDHC won't work?	23:42
corecode	oh wait, that's not micro	23:42
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corecode	i think it is too late here	23:42
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tybollt	pwnguin; Is your friend the pwny here?	23:46
dmj7261	bah...my violin bits don't sound that great	23:46
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dmj7261	igagis: I might be able to offer you some cello.	23:46
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sh0gun_	Hello, please is it possible to disable smilies in chat windows?	23:46
pwnguin	there is no such nick pwny	23:46
sh0gun_	And also remove smile icon?	23:46
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sh0gun_	On Maemo 5	23:47
igagis	dmj7261: I don't actually use recorded samples	23:47
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igagis	dmj7261: I generate them	23:47
dmj7261	what are the things in misc?	23:47
timeless_mbp	GeneralAntilles: hey	23:47
timeless_mbp	my mac won't let me connect to my wifi router	23:47
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, ho	23:47
pwnguin	tybollt: oh, this is a joke. i misread	23:47
pupnik	speaking of SDHC... http://www.rspace.eu/pandora/	23:47
GeneralAntilles	timeless_mbp, have you tried hitting it with a stick?	23:48
igagis	dmj7261: these are my expirements with synthesis in scilab	23:48
* GeneralAntilles is usually inclined to blame the router in those situations.		23:48
dmj7261	Ah, I see	23:48
* GeneralAntilles is slowly starving to death in this chair.		23:48
dmj7261	so those don't do anything?	23:48
igagis	dmj7261: yep	23:48
tybollt	pwnguin: ;)	23:49
dmj7261	that explains a lot	23:49
timeless_mbp	woohoo	23:49
igagis	dmj7261: now I have to go to sleep, bye for now	23:50
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dmj7261	okay	23:50
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corecode	alright - any idea how i can "upload" sms to the n900?	23:51
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* Texrat joining GeneralAntilles in slow starvation		23:53
corecode	is that rtcom?	23:53
corecode	oh yea	23:53
corecode	starvation here as well	23:53
corecode	and overcaffeination	23:53
Arif_	corecode, "upload"?	23:53
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corecode	well, i found a way to extract the text messages from my e51	23:54
Arif_	eh	23:55
Arif_	just use transfer!	23:55
corecode	now i want to push them to my new n900	23:55
corecode	doesn't work!	23:55
ShadowJK	this xchat notification thing is rofl	23:55
Arif_	why not!	23:55
corecode	messages don't get transfered	23:55
ShadowJK	pocket going whirrr bleep whirrr all the time	23:55
Arif_	it worked with my N95!	23:55
corecode	only contacts+calendar	23:55
Arif_	use nokia PC suite?	23:55
corecode	i was told the pc suite can't upload messages	23:56
corecode	to the n900	23:56
Arif_	could be true	23:56
Arif_	I don't know	23:56
corecode	the ovi suite can't even connect to it	23:56
Arif_	I haven't even tried PC suite with N900	23:56
corecode	ok	23:56
Arif_	I only have it to install sis files on the N95 :P	23:56
corecode	that leaves me with...	23:56
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corecode	how do i push messages to the n900 :)	23:56
Arif_	there was a thread on the forum	23:57
corecode	they got to be stored somewhere	23:57
Arif_	with a guide	23:57
Arif_	about SMSes	23:57
Arif_	:O	23:57
sejo	evening all	23:57
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Arif_	ohaithar	23:57
sejo	how to get PySide on my loptop?	23:57
sejo	laptop?	23:57
Arif_	...don't look at me	23:57
corecode	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37354	23:58
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Arif_	yeah that	23:59
Arif_	I haven't read it	23:59
Arif_	so don't blame me if it doesn't work :P	23:59

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